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Title: MBB: NEWMAC
Post by: nehoops4life on March 03, 2005, 10:39:13 am
I think I used the wrong spelling of "berth" in that last post ... whatever.  I love when I don't proofread my posts.  Makes me look wicked smaht!
Title: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: WPIStudent on March 03, 2005, 09:20:18 pm
Western CT won their first round game against Endicott so we're facing West Conn on Saturday. They have, in the 6-6 powerhouse from the Ivory Coast - Brice Assie, supposedly one of the best big men in the nation, and he's undoubtedly going to be a major factor on Saturday. Well I dont think its going to be a problem because our own big men Scott Misaziek and Antowain Coleman are going to have an incredible game and contain him, and maybe even stuff him a couple of times ;) :-) I'm really looking forward to the contest and the game as a whole! GO TECH!

Springfield beat Norwich quite handily but now they're on the road to Amherst, sooooooo..... well lets see what happens there.
Title: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: wpifan on March 04, 2005, 09:26:36 am
I don't know if Misaziek or Coleman will be able to handle Assie. Misaziek is not strong enough inside and Coleman is still a freshman. I just hope Cain and our outside game is on, we will need it to open up the inside a little.If we get out put from Steele & Flynn we should be ok! Man for man I think we are a better team.This game should prove how far we have come in the Northeast or how far we need to go.
Title: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hoops Fan on March 04, 2005, 11:46:05 am
Endicott only lost because the strength of their team (a very strong backcourrt just choked).  They were missing their best shooter and the two guards who weren't hurt went 4-20 from three.

Assie scored 21, but allowed the EC big man 22.  I think Assie will get his points no matter who you put on him.  That should not be the focus of your game.  If you have solid guard play and decent perimeter defense, WConn isn't much of a challenge.

They are a strong team with good discipline and talent, but they can be beat with a disciplined defense and decent scouting.

Just so long as the post players don't run and hide, Cain should be able to wreak some havoc.  It would be a huge suprise to me if WPI won by less than 12 or 15.
Title: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: nehoops4life on March 04, 2005, 12:50:09 pm
I am sure Bartley will have a perfect scout on WConn ... Im sure he was even at the game last night too.  If there is one area WPI won't be beat on, it is preparation.
Title: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: wpifan on March 04, 2005, 12:50:40 pm
Hoops Fan:
Everybody made it sound like Assie walks on water. If he is not a denfensive player Misaziek and Coleman should handle him. One player does not win or lose a game. Hopefully this will be on some web-broadcast for me to listen to! Tech give them HELL! Scott be tough inside and play smart!
Title: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 04, 2005, 01:29:37 pm
WPIFAN, it won't be from us if it's on the air. We asked if there were phone lines available and got no response.
Title: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: diehardfan on March 04, 2005, 01:33:17 pm
Wow, that's really a shame, someone needs to give their SI office some friendly encouragement to be a little more responsive. :-)
Title: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 04, 2005, 01:44:00 pm
I had heard from one of our broadcasters that he'd heard they had no phone lines in the gym. I was looking for a clarification.

It's too late for us to rejigger the schedule to get there now (especially since Ramapo installed a line we can use and we are already rejiggering for them), but we are always planning ahead for future rounds -- and seasons -- as well.
Title: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: wpifan on March 04, 2005, 02:29:22 pm
Thanks everybody for your fast response to my request! WPI really has one of the nicest basketball gyms in the Northeast. It is a shame and I find it hard to believe that there are no phone lines in the gym. This is Worcester polytechnic institute of tech. You would think somebody could come up with a way of broadcasting the game for fans.Come on WPI, you have alot of fans that would love to be there but can't. Oh well, maybe something could be done for the next round!
Title: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: nehoops4life on March 04, 2005, 09:20:06 pm
Wheaton 85, Western New England 62

WC was up by as much as 36 at one point.  at home vs. Rode Island College tomorrow

Good luck to both the Pride and Engineers tomorrow ... always nice to see the NEWMAC advance far in the tourney since nobody ever seems to want to give our conference respect!
Title: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: wpifan on March 05, 2005, 06:15:56 am
NEHoops:
It is great to hear that Wheaton is doing well in the ECAC. Your right ! The NEWMAC is representing itself well. Let's not forget about Springfield! I hope they knock off Amherst.
Good luck to all teams!!!!
I know Bartley will have WPI ready!
Title: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: wpifan on March 05, 2005, 09:23:08 pm
Congrats to WPI on their win over W. Conn 79-77.
Details of the game to follow. Next stop York ( PA )
Title: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: wpifan on March 05, 2005, 09:28:34 pm
Congrats on Wheatons win over Rhode Island 78-66 and their ECAC Championship!
NEWMAC NEWMAC !!!!!!!!
Title: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: geronimo on March 05, 2005, 11:50:58 pm
Amherst 81 - Springfield 68.

The Pride played well and had Amherst in foul trouble.  Amherst's bench came up big.  

Springfield's best player is the little kid with the headband who shows off his streetball moves during warmups!  Who is that kid.  He's legendary!
Title: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: nehoops4life on March 06, 2005, 12:13:57 am
WPIFAN - good night for the two of us, unfortunately Springfield didn't win.  Amherst is tough!  

Congrats to Wheaton for breaking the school record for wins.   I know it wasn't the NCAA's but this is a great accomplishment to grow on.
Title: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: wpifan on March 06, 2005, 07:28:40 am
Here are some facts on last night WPI win over Western Conn from the Worcester Tel & Gaz:
Cain had 18 points and was 9/10 from the foul line. Flynn had 17 points off the bench. Coleman had 16 points 9 rebounds and 2 blocks. Marois had 9 points and 5 rebounds.
Our two big guys ( Misiaszek & Marois ) fouled out with five minutes to go and this opened the door for Western to mount their comeback. But with the clock winding down and the score 79-77 ( after two free throws by Cain )they tried to get the ball inside to their big guy AssIe but Coleman tip it away and Western never got the shot off.
Once again congrats to WPI for getting to the Sweet Sixteen. Wish I was there to cheer you guys on.
NEWMAC NEWMAC !!!!!!! It is all about respect!
Title: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: wpifan on March 06, 2005, 07:31:10 am
Pat:
Do you think you will be able to get a web- broadcast for the WPI vs YORK (PA) game?
Title: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: wpifan on March 06, 2005, 10:31:10 am
Official Basketball Box Score
Western Conn vs WPI
03/05/05 7:00 PM at Harrington Auditorium, Worcester, MA
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HOME TEAM: WPI 24-3
                         TOT-FG  3-PT         REBOUNDS
## Player Name            FG-FGA FG-FGA FT-FTA OF DE TOT PF  TP  A TO BLK S MIN
55 Antoine Coleman..... f  7-12   0-0    2-5    7  2  9   4  16  0  0  2  1  31
45 Scott Misiaszek..... c  2-4    0-0    2-2    0  5  5   5   6  1  0  1  0  17
12 Ryan Cain........... g  4-15   1-7    9-10   0  1  1   4  18  3  7  0  2  33
13 Mike Prestileo...... g  1-8    1-5    0-0    0  2  2   1   3  0  0  0  1  15
33 Brian Steele........ g  2-5    0-1    4-5    0  4  4   1   8  0  0  0  1  15
10 Brett Dickson.......    0-0    0-0    2-2    0  3  3   2   2  1  2  0  3  25
32 James Marois........    4-5    0-1    1-2    1  3  4   5   9  1  1  0  0  22
42 Steve Furber........    0-2    0-2    0-0    1  2  3   1   0  0  1  0  0  17
44 Ryan Flynn..........    4-8    1-1    8-10   0  1  1   4  17  2  1  0  3  25
  TEAM................                         3  1  4
  Totals..............   24-59   3-17  28-36  12 24 36  27  79  8 12  3 11 200

TOTAL FG% 1st Half: 11-32 34.4%   2nd Half: 13-27 48.1%   Game: 40.7%  DEADB
3-Pt. FG% 1st Half:  2-11 18.2%   2nd Half:  1-6  16.7%   Game: 17.6%   REBS
F Throw % 1st Half:  9-11 81.8%   2nd Half: 19-25 76.0%   Game: 77.8%    3

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Officials: Jim Byrne,Peter Hansen,Peter Palermino,Mark O'Malley (alt)
Technical fouls: Western Conn-None. WPI-None.
Attendance: 1050
Score by Periods                1st  2nd   Total
Western Conn..................   25   52  -   77
WPI...........................   33   46  -   79
NCAA Championship 2nd-Round Game; Winner advances to Round of 16
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Newspaper Box Score
Title: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: wpifan on March 06, 2005, 11:02:38 am
Newspaper Box Score
Western Conn vs WPI
03/05/05 7:00 PM at Harrington Auditorium, Worcester, MA
At Harrington Auditorium, Worcester, MA
WPI 79, WESTERN CONN 77
WESTERN CONN (24-5)
Brice Assie 10-17 8-10 28; Greg Cole 6-16 1-2 19; Jeff Gene 3-9 7-8 13;
Kimani Crawford 1-3 5-7 7; Jay Reginatto 2-8 2-2 7; Lamar White 0-1 2-2 2;
Kyle Norfleet 0-1 1-2 1; Jason Barnett 0-3 0-0 0. Totals 22-58 26-33 77.
WPI (24-3)
Ryan Cain 4-15 9-10 18; Ryan Flynn 4-8 8-10 17; Antoine Coleman 7-12 2-5 16;
James Marois 4-5 1-2 9; Brian Steele 2-5 4-5 8; Scott Misiaszek 2-4 2-2 6;
Mike Prestileo 1-8 0-0 3; Steve Furber 0-2 0-0 0. Totals 24-59 28-36 79.
Western Conn..................   25   52  -   77
WPI...........................   33   46  -   79
3-point goals-Western Conn 7-21 (Greg Cole 6-14; Jay Reginatto 1-5; Kyle
Norfleet 0-1; Jeff Gene 0-1), WPI 3-17 (Ryan Flynn 1-1; Mike Prestileo 1-5;
Ryan Cain 1-7; Brian Steele 0-1; Steve Furber 0-2; James Marois 0-1). Fouled
out--Western Conn-None, WPI-Scott Misiaszek; James Marois. Rebounds-Western
Conn 45 (Brice Assie 12), WPI 36 (Antoine Coleman 9). Assists-Western Conn
13 (Brice Assie 2; Jason Barnett 2; Kimani Crawford 2; Jay Reginatto 2; Jeff
Gene 2; Greg Cole 2), WPI 8 (Ryan Cain 3). Total fouls-Western Conn 25, WPI
27. A-1050
NCAA Championship 2nd-Round Game; Winner advances to Round of 16
Title: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: wpifan on March 06, 2005, 04:34:17 pm
Friday night at Ramapo 6:00 PM. I hope to see everybody there! Never give up! never surrender!
Go WPI!!!!!!!
Title: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 06, 2005, 05:22:35 pm
WPIFAN, yes, a D3hoops.com crew will broadcast the entire sectional at Ramapo for NCAASports.com.
Title: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: wpifan on March 06, 2005, 08:28:31 pm
Pat:
Thanks!
Title: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Lyon Pride on March 06, 2005, 09:36:04 pm
Went to the Springfield/Amherst game on Saturday.  Have a lengthy post in the NESCAC room, though it is very Amherst-focused.

Springfield was UNBELIEVABLE in the first 7 minutes, jumping out to a 16-5 lead.  The Pride had LeFrak jumpin'...

Amherst is a tough team.  WAY too solid on all fronts.  Springfield was OK at a couple of spots, but had way too many holes in its arsenal.  If #41 or #24 didn't score, their trip down court was an empty one.  That's what you get when you turn into a "regional" team.

Charlie Brock almost killed one his players who fouled one of the Amherst guys late in the game.  I really thought he might Bobby Knight him on the spot.  I don't care about that guy's X's and O's, but he is a borderline snapshow with coaching mannerisms that are deplorable.  

Wheaton's ECAC win: hopefully a building block.  I'm convinced they're going to have to win the NEWMAC to get their chance at the dance, though.  The comittee isn't going to "gift" them an entry until they prove on their own that they belong.  Just my hunch.
Title: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Pat Cummings on March 07, 2005, 07:44:14 pm
NCAASports.com will have full coverage of the Ramapo regional starting at 5:45pm on Friday afternoon.  Hope you will be able to tune in if you can't make the trip.
Title: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: d-mac on March 08, 2005, 04:45:26 pm
Basketball in Division III at this time of year... is so SWEET!!!
32 teams still have a chance at two national titles... and many teams weren't expected to get this far.
Tonight, a preview of this weekend's Sweet 16 action and preparations for the Final Four... on "Hoopsville"!!!


Wooster, Wittenburg, and Illinois Wesleyan are out of the men's bracket!
So, who in the world is still left in the Men's Road to Salem?
Well... UW-Stevens Point, Amherst, and St. John Fisher.

Trinity (TX) is still alive. Most thought they would be playing IWU on Friday night, instead they face Hanover. Tonight, we will chat with Coach Pat Cunningham about his Tigers. Their road to the Final Four is going to be a tough one.

Then there is John Carrol, who defeated Wittenburg to earn their Sweet 16 berth. Coach Mike Moran seems to have his Blue Streaks team clicking on all the right cylinders, having won the OAC before their run in the NCAA's. We will chat with Coach Moran about his upcoming game against Albion... who got by on what some say is a questionable win over Wooster.

On the women's side, not too many upsets, even though DePauw and Buena Vista were eliminated on their Road to Virginia Beach.

Wesleyan continues to surprise as they took out Staten Island to earn their Sweet 16 game against Springfield. Coach Kate Mullen will join us live on the air to talk about how this season's finish isn't what the Cardinals planned on... and how they're looking to keep dancing.

George Fox will be earning a lot of frequent flyer miles this weekend. Coach Scott Rueck has his Bruins playing very good basketball and will take on St. Benedict, who upset Buena Vista. But how are the Bruins going to handle flying across the entire length of the nation for the game(s)... we will ask Coach Rueck.

And Salem is getting ready for their tenth Men's Final Four. ODAC Commissioner Brad Bankston will join us live on the air to let us know how the preparations are going. How you can get tickets! And what else you can expect and should do while in the great city of Salem (and Roanoke), Virginia.

Oh... and of course we will chat with our regional reporters - Gordon Mann will actually join us in studio. And we will certainly take your questions and comments on the air and try and cover a very busy week of basketball.

So come join us online and LIVE from 8PM - 10PM Eastern!

"Hoopsville": only place where you can listen or chat about Division III Basketball in the nation.

Check out the "Hoopsville" page for information on how you can listen... and be a part of the show.
Title: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: wpifan on March 10, 2005, 05:03:25 pm
Come on WPI. I been taking a lot of heat from the YORK fans. So do us a big favor and take it to them Friday night. I am hoping that the weather holds up and I will be there.
Go Tech!!!!!!!!!!
Title: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: wpifan on March 11, 2005, 03:03:34 pm
WPI  77
YORK 75
Title: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: wpifan on March 11, 2005, 07:45:34 pm
Tough game! Sweet sixteen is still nice. WPI you have nothing to hang your head about. We love ya!
Title: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: coachz on March 11, 2005, 09:37:37 pm
I think I speak for many of us on this board who were rooting for WPI and their representation of our conference.  WPI now has earned the necessary battle experience, and with returning all their major players next year, will be the team to beat in the league.  Congratulations to the team, they represented us well getting to the Sweet 16.
Title: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: nehoops4life on March 14, 2005, 04:30:02 pm
Back after a long weekend.  sad to see the Techsters loose in the Sweet 16.  game looked like it was a shootout.  It was a great season and WPI is looking dangerous next year as well.
Title: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: wpifan on March 16, 2005, 09:55:35 am
Congrats to Cain ( WPI ) on being named to the second team all Northeast!!!!!! Nice season.
Title: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Doc Hoops on March 22, 2005, 02:27:02 pm
so, who are the top teams next year?
any news on recruits?
Title: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: coachz on July 05, 2005, 04:03:02 am
I'm posting, just because we have not had a post on this forum since March 22nd.  Has anyone heard of any outstanding recruits our conference has commitments from for 2009?
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Clark Basketball on September 22, 2005, 12:05:00 pm
Watch out for the Clark University Cougars next year......Mo Cassara will have the Cougars back to the way they used to be.....and better!!!!!!
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: formerbant10 on September 22, 2005, 04:02:06 pm
Who did the Cougars bring in this year?  They had a lot to improve on from last year, and the Conference is very good again.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Clark Basketball on September 23, 2005, 10:39:13 am
10 guys.....3 transfers and one coming at the break from Central Ct. State.  They will contend for the league title.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: formerbant10 on September 23, 2005, 12:01:52 pm
Well that certainly is the way to turn a program back around...any name for the Central player??
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Clark Basketball on October 28, 2005, 01:21:09 pm
The 2005-2006 Clark University Roster is posted.  Lots of new faces.  Looks like they will be taking a few steps forward this year.  Watch out NEWMAC!
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: newmacfan2005 on November 16, 2005, 04:28:30 pm
Has anyone seen Clark scrimmage yet this year?  How did they look?
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: hoopsitup on November 21, 2005, 07:13:10 pm
Hey, just found this website.  Notice MIT won a tournament last week.  My boy Jimmy B is gonna bring lots of W's and will be rewriting the record books.  Our buddy Andy B. is lightin up Lafayete to.  Both know will be rookie of the year.  U can take that to the bank.  Jimmy should be D1 not D3.  U r lucky to get him MIT.  Who is MIT big rival. Later
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 25, 2005, 12:34:01 am
Welcome. Not much MIT talk around here.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Onefaceinthecrowd on November 27, 2005, 09:09:06 pm
Strong win for WPI today against Salem.  Salem has started out slow but will put the pieces together before the end of the season.  WPI has now beat three MASCAC teams, Salem, Worcester and Bridgewater.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: wpifan on November 30, 2005, 09:08:50 am
WPI is looking good! Best of luck to all the guys.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 30, 2005, 10:47:32 am

I was impressed with the Lasell score, but your boys will probably have to be a little sharper at Williams this weekend.  That shaky pre-season sure doesn't seem to be hurting them any.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Clark Basketball on November 30, 2005, 11:58:27 am
Clark University had a very impressive win at Worcester State.  They could be a dangerous team this year....espeacially in February and March.  Sklarz could be one of the best players in NE.  Don't sleep on the Cougars.  They could be back like the good old days!!
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: wpifan on November 30, 2005, 04:08:55 pm
Williams seems to always be a measuring stick. I wish we had a chance to play Amherst. We will see, this weekend should be fun.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 01, 2005, 09:27:09 am

If your boys come through, they will get Amherst eventually.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: d3bballinboston on December 03, 2005, 09:51:06 pm
JWU beat Coast Guard!!! wow!!  a GNAC team beats a NEWMAC team
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: wpifan on December 06, 2005, 09:46:06 pm
Well WPI is off to one of the great starts in school history. Great job guys!!! Keep it up.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: wpifan on December 10, 2005, 09:16:59 pm
This board is dead! Where are all the WPI and Newmac fans. This will be a great year for our team. Lets get into it.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: atn alum on December 10, 2005, 09:53:57 pm
Hey WPIfan...fill us in on some of what you've seen from the team...we're all ears. It's a little early to get a read on some teams...Springfield's start is fascinating to me...Wheaton is off to a nice start considering how much they lost from last year's team...Coast Guard and MIT have played well but are basically untested...Clark has had some ups and downs
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 12, 2005, 10:26:09 am


They held off EC the other night and rebounded to spank Roger Williams.  The WPI boys may be back on track.  They might even creep up a spot in the rankings today as York will drop with a loss.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: remsleep on December 14, 2005, 10:47:19 pm
I would certainly see WPI as the team to beat, they are doing a great job and no reason to think it won't continue.
To me, the most interesting situation is at Clark.  Wholesale personnel changes ( NOT the result of graduation-- they only had one senior on last year's team) theoretically make them much more athletic and up-tempo.  I agree with earlier poster who said look out for them in Feb/March.  HOWEVER, the most painfully obvious thing about the Cougars is that it is a team without a face... it's a bunch of pretty good athletes who don't seem to understand the sets they are supposed to run.... the point being they have no court general out there to define purpose.  Without this ingredient.. and I do not know if it exists within current personnel... they will probably continue to be inconsistent....though dangerous
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: hugenerd on January 09, 2006, 09:28:26 pm
It will be interesting to see how WPI comes back from their loss against the current leaders of the NEWMAC, MIT.  MIT has two solid conference wins vs. CGA and at Wheaton (who beat Clark by 25).
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 10, 2006, 09:25:10 am

MIT and Wheaton have both looked very strong early on and even Springfield seems to be bouncing back from the early season troubles.  The NEWMAC, if not the best, certainly seems to be the most competitive conference in New England right now.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: formerbant10 on January 10, 2006, 12:40:35 pm
I think it's a little tough to say that Springfield is bouncing back after they were beaten soundly by Coast Guard the other night.  Looks more like their troubles continue.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: hugenerd on January 17, 2006, 10:01:50 pm
MIT beats clark tonight, taking sole possession of first in the NEWMAC...at least for one night until WPI plays tomorrow.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: nescachoopsfan on January 18, 2006, 02:37:06 am
tufts is 5-0 in the newmac, tough stat for the conference with wins over some of the best tteams in the conference
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: d3bballinboston on January 20, 2006, 07:35:25 am
clark barely beats newbury last night at Newbury
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: sixer on January 24, 2006, 04:13:59 am
any thoughts on tonight's WPI-Clark rematch?  Clark has home court advantage and some sort of big fan "spirt day" but I bet WPI is thirsting for revenge.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: newmacnewcommer on January 24, 2006, 03:19:51 pm
WPI is undefeated on the road but they let teams hang around too long. I'll give the edge to Clark tonight.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 24, 2006, 03:21:55 pm

Clark's not beating them twice, I'm more interested in the road games at UMass-Boston, MIT, and Wheaton, along with the Springfield rematch.  There is a long way to go for WPI.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: sixer on January 24, 2006, 05:06:51 pm
Well I usually follow WPI, but I'm out of New England for the rest of the season and I'm having withdrawls.  So I'd love to hear game comments or reports from anyone who can actually make it there.  Keep me updated!

I'm biased, but I don't Clark can beat them twice either, I'm gonna call a WPI win here
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: newmacnewcommer on January 24, 2006, 11:31:13 pm
Well you guys were right. WPI wins. They tried to give it away but Clark was disorganized at the end. How long will they get away with not putting teams away, no wonder why they win 2 games and drop in the polls. no respect and they don't deserve any yet.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: hugenerd on January 24, 2006, 11:36:52 pm
MIT plays solid and remains even with WPI in the loss column, by sweeping Wheaton for the season.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: sixer on January 25, 2006, 02:05:25 am
MIT plays solid and remains even with WPI in the loss column, by sweeping Wheaton for the season.

yes, but considering MIT's one loss is to WPI, that still puts WPI on top of the NEWMAC.

I agree, it's been frustrating watching (and hearing about) every game coming down to the wire, but somehow they keep pulling it off....I was hoping their only loss to Clark would wake them up a bit, but I guess not.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 25, 2006, 10:45:13 am

After the Babson game, WPI has got a rough road ahead in which every game should challenge them.  I think they will drop at least one more game if not two.  MIT is still in it and even Coast Guard if they can maintain a high level of play for several weeks.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: hugenerd on January 25, 2006, 03:52:45 pm
Not only is MIT still in it, they are one of two teams that control their own destiny (WPI being the other).  If MIT takes care of WPI at home, then that puts them in first place all by themselves.  Every other team in the NEWMAC needs help, and alot of it, to get a regular season crown.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: ashleyjb on January 26, 2006, 04:15:26 am
That'll be a good game.  I'm curious to see if MIT can handle Coleman, b/c they certainly blew it last time.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: sixer on January 30, 2006, 05:54:31 pm
WPI @ UMass Boston tomorrow night....historically this has been a pretty interesting game. 
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: umbfan05 on January 31, 2006, 02:00:21 am
a sixer,WPI is in big trouble going to umass-boston, this is the biggest game in school history. Probably The best team umass-boston ever had. Believe me they will play light out, and leave every thing on the floor. WATCH THE RESULT
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: sixer on January 31, 2006, 03:18:35 am
oh God, but UMass Boston has lost to both Fitchburg State and Salem State, and they're terrible!  Those are two teams WPI has actually managed to win by a significant margin (20+ points each)

I wouldn't say WPI is "in trouble" going to UMass Boston....but I think it'll be a decent game b/c if I remember correctly UMB's style is quite different from WPI's.

you'll have to watch the game and let me know b/c i'm out of the area and can't make it.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 31, 2006, 09:12:02 am

UMass-Boston has always had lots of talent and they have always played poorly against bad teams and very well against good teams.  They have a history of inconsistency.  Although, they haven't had the huge win they normally get once a year, so it could happen.  The bottom line is that UMass-Boston is not in the NEWMAC and therefore this game doesn't matter whole lot to either team; unless WPI doesn't win the conference tourney.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: sixer on January 31, 2006, 10:00:37 am

The bottom line is that UMass-Boston is not in the NEWMAC and therefore this game doesn't matter whole lot to either team; unless WPI doesn't win the conference tourney.

Well with all the close games WPI's been pulling out lately I don't think it's safe to assume they'll take the conference tourney.  Two seasons ago I believe they were the regular season champs and lost in the tourney, so it could happen.  Considering that I think every game matters.

Hoops Fan, if you claim UMass-Boston plays to the level of their competition then this really should be interesting b/c it seems WPI does the same.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 31, 2006, 10:03:14 am

No, I mean it doesn't matter who UMass-Boston is playing, they could win or lose any game they get into, at least traditionally.  WPI can play their best possible game and UMass-B can win or WPI can play their worst game ever and UMass-B can lose.  They've been doing stuff like that for years.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: akirk on January 31, 2006, 10:28:11 am
the difference is that WPI wins the close games and UMASS-Boston has not.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 31, 2006, 10:31:06 am

I can't help but remember the Plymouth and Salem games last year.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: newmacnewcommer on January 31, 2006, 11:07:51 am
WPI should  win this game after all they are the #15 team in the country. That being said  many of there wins have been close. The games could have gone either way and yes they have been very lucky. If they let this game turn into a track meet they loose BIG. If they get beat tonight, it's going to be very tough with MIT and Wheaton up next  on the road not to mention Coast Guard at home. They could loose 4 of the next 5.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 31, 2006, 11:38:20 am
They could loose 4 of the next 5.

That's been true most of the year and they've come through ok.  I'm not saying this team isn't deserving of these wins, I'm just saying they aren't one of the 15 or even 25 best teams in the country.  They have good coaching and clutch players (as evidenced by the close wins), they will have to work hard the next few weeks, but they have been doing so all along.  I just wish they hadn't gotten so overrated by the voters early on.  To many this season may end up being a disappointment for WPI, when in reality they've had a great year.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: sixer on January 31, 2006, 03:10:44 pm

WPI can play their best possible game and UMass-B can win or WPI can play their worst game ever and UMass-B can lose.

I disagree, I think when WPI brings their A game there's very few teams (especially in New England) that can beat them.  I just don't think they've had very many games yet this season where's it's all come together.  So far they've been able to squeak by because when someone's having an off night they have enough depth that another guy will step up and light it up.  For example, look at Ryan Flynn averaging 11.7 ppg off the bench. 

Now if only they could get everyone playing well at once....
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: akirk on January 31, 2006, 03:23:29 pm
sixer

You could probably say the same thing about every other team in the country.  Since when have we ever seen a team play to their full potential and make no mistakes.  It just doesn't happen in basketball.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 31, 2006, 04:05:11 pm

I was commenting more on UMass-Boston's squad, but you can feel free to take anything I say mentioning WPI as an attack.  I'm used to it on the other boards.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 31, 2006, 05:13:53 pm

MIT's got Springfield tonight and after the good showing on Saturday, who knows which Springfield team will show up.  It should be a good one.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: sixer on January 31, 2006, 06:25:56 pm
hoops fan, What do you have against WPI?
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: WPIgrad on January 31, 2006, 06:41:04 pm
You guys honestly seriously underestimate WPI. Losing 4 of the next 5 - preposterous. The team has won the close games all year not because they've been lucky, but because they know how to win! Have you guys watched any of the WPI games? Have you seen the expression of control and confidence on the players' faces when they're in a close one? They know they can win and probably will! It doesn't just happen by luck, they've worked REALLY hard! This is a team that just revels in close situations.

I seriously doubt they'll lose tonight to UMass Boston, or for that matter even 1 game out of the next 5, let alone 4! I say WPI ends the year 22-1. The road game at MIT should be a good one sure, but I've watched MIT play and I think WPI has the edge. MIT simply has no player that can post up. That leads to a limited inside presence. The guard play of D'Auria and Kanamori can be nuetralized/answered by WPI's own quartet of guards Cain/Dickson/Flynn/Steele. Coleman, Borque, Ivey (and recently even Marois) will give WPI the edge.

Dont you worry, WPI's going to live up to its potential! They're deep, they're talented, they're hardworking, they know how to win close ones, and they're hungry!

GOOOOOOOOOOO TECH!
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: WPIgrad on January 31, 2006, 08:05:44 pm
I agree with sixer! Thanks for pointing out Flynn's performance this year. Flynnie scoring 11.7 off the bench isn't any kind of fluke. I think Bartley just plays him off the bench because he likes the dynamic that gives him. He averages a serious amount of minutes in most important games.

I think WPI wins at UMass Boston tonight, because from what I remember UMB plays an almost street-like style of basketball. They probably wont come in hard on defense (they allow opposition to score 84 points a game) and WPI sure will (allows 68 points per game).

Also, MIT just lost to Springfield. Sure is a testimony to MIT's supposed 'strong fundamentals'. I wish they tallied points in the paint for MIT, so people could see what I'm talking about. I'm so looking forward to this Saturday's game. I really hope WPI comes through strong and answers all doubters.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: sixer on February 01, 2006, 04:11:59 am
Called it.   Overtime, phew! I knew it'd be a good game (WPIgrad, I remeber the street-ball style too).  Looks like WPI was a bit outmatched under the boards - 22pts vs 44pts for UMB, but like I said before, they have enough depth (especially in their guards) to overcome something like that.

MIT is no intimidating venue, not to mention they're coming off a loss, so I think the guys should be OK @ MIT.

Anyone get to see the UMass Boston game?  Any highlights?  I hate not being able to get to these games!
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 01, 2006, 08:58:47 am

OT was an interesting result.  WPI pulled out another close one.  Again, I have nothing against WPI, but I just feel like they have been overhyped.  They are the most talented team in the NEWMAC and one of the best in the region, but they just aren't on the same level as some of the national powers. 

On another note, Springfield is really playing well of late.  EC and MIT are no pushovers and they were dominated.  That last game of the season should be a great one.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: hugenerd on February 01, 2006, 11:36:58 am
How can you say MIT was dominated when they were down 3 with under 30 seconds left, with the ball, with a chance to tie the game.  It was a very close game and the score was tied a couple of times in the final 5-10 minutes although MIT never took the lead.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 01, 2006, 11:40:15 am

Ok that was rash.  I was more referring to the EC game.  I shouldn't have grouped those together.  I meant to say that neither team is a pushover and EC was dominated.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: newmacnewcommer on February 01, 2006, 01:49:24 pm
Last nights game at Umass-Boston was a very big win for WPI. I felt a loss could carry over and make the up coming games more difficult. But lets be honest, WPI was up 15 in the first half and couldn't extend it. The second half they lost by 10 thus overtime. In overtime Umass had 3 bad turnovers in tennis they call it unforced errors. umass handed them the game in the end. If thats not lucky what is?
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 01, 2006, 02:14:32 pm

We can call them unforced errors in basketball too.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: sixer on February 01, 2006, 06:12:44 pm
newmacnewcomer,
From what I head it sounded like the last few minutes were pretty ugly.  You think they were definately UMass Boston unforced errors and not caused  by pressure from tough D on WPI's part?
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: newmacnewcommer on February 02, 2006, 09:33:11 am
Sixer, The UMB passes to the invisable man and the player dribbling
the ball off his knee were unforced (with 15 seconds left down 2 ). Seriously, I bet half of the TO's were unforced. WPI plays the best defense in the league but they got a lot of help from UMB that night.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: hugenerd on February 02, 2006, 04:40:43 pm
Sixer, The UMB passes to the invisable man and the player dribbling
the ball off his knee were unforced (with 15 seconds left down 2 ). Seriously, I bet half of the TO's were unforced. WPI plays the best defense in the league but they got a lot of help from UMB that night.

Just a quick question, when you say WPI plays the best D in the league what are you basing that on? Scoring Defense? Field Goal Percentage Defense? Because WPI is 3rd and 4th in those categories.  They are also 4th in opponents rebounds per game and rebound margin.  They may be the most balanced (offense and defense) and the team that plays best in close games, but you cannot tell me they are the best defensive team in the NEWMAC. If you were saying that they would be the best defensive team in the Little East, then that is a different story.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: newmacnewcommer on February 02, 2006, 07:49:57 pm
Hugenerd,

I knew when I made that posting someone would qoute those stats.
I wish the stats had just in conference games included. That would give a better indication of where any one team is relative to another.
However, my comment is really based on my observation that WPI is the team that I would least like to play against if I were the opposing coach.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: d3bballinboston on February 03, 2006, 01:01:26 pm
mit beat newbury by only 8 last night
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 03, 2006, 02:37:41 pm

I don't know what to make of that.  Newbury was the worst team in the country to start the year, but there have been games when they looked good.  They know how to score and if they happen to hit a good night on the defensive end they can be quite pesky.  Still, MIT probably should have dispatched them with more ease.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: TheFence on February 03, 2006, 04:07:41 pm
I've seem WPI 3 times and I agree with Hoopsfan when he says they don't stack up nationally.  The just don't have enough inside and the other power teams from strong conferences will be able to match thier intensity and their firepower from the perimeter.

Unfortunately the way the tourney works they will be lumped in a group with the winners from the CCC, MASCAC, Little East, GNAC and will probably win 2 games or so.  They'll falter after that as they will be forced to  play any elite team.  They'll end up 22-3 or something on the year but with just  a single bigtime win (over Williams on 12/3).  I guess you can only beat who you play which they have certainly done this year.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: hugenerd on February 03, 2006, 04:46:37 pm
A few comments about making a big deal about an 8 point win.

Exhibit A:  WPI wins everyone of their games by 5 or less and they are ranked top 15 nationally.

Exhibit B: Newbury lost to Clark by 3, WPI lost to Clark and beat them by 2 the second time they played. Newbury also lost to Salem State by only 3.

Exhibit C: MIT only shot 4-10 from the FT line in the last 3 minutes, thus making the game look closer than it truly was.

Exhibit D: MIT's starting backcourt shot a combined 4-19, players are going to have bad nights and making a big deal about an 8 point win is ridiculous.

and finally...

Exhibit E: Newbury has a very young and explosive team, as well as a really hard gym to play in, look for them to be good in the coming years as their young players mature.

mit beat newbury by only 8 last night

In my opinion, this was just an unnecessary comment, but I understand that MIT is one of the most hated on teams just because nobody wants to lose to a bunch of nerds (huge nerds if you ask me!).
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: sixer on February 07, 2006, 08:12:03 am
So we all know that WPI likes to keep their games interesting, but I returned from a long weekend to see that they brought it down to 0.2 seconds this time!!!!  Once again Coleman was the demise of MIT.  Musta been a hell of a game...

Makes me nervous for tonight's game @ Wheaton...judging by the stats (assits, steals) it looks like they have a decent guard in Sean Kelly.  How does he match up against WPI's guards?
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: hugenerd on February 07, 2006, 09:10:12 am
What no one tells you is the no call that took place with about 1.8 s left.  Coleman was standing by himself at the free throw line because his teammate steam rolled the player guarding him who had left him to take a charge.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: hugenerd on February 07, 2006, 09:19:34 am
As for matchups, Coleman is the best defending guard in the league and he will probably guard Zukowski with Cain guarding Kelley.  In my opinion, WPI is very weak inside.  They only have one player, Borque, who can do anything inside and the only other player over 6'4" who plays is his backup.  Even the guys who are 6'4" on WPI, who play power forward, dont really postup or look for anything inside, they are drivers and shooters.  I think they will have alot of trouble playing with a team who's focus is scoring inside, not that Wheaton is, but looking ahead to the NCAA tourney they will not match up against alot of teams.  As for the game with Wheaton, it will probably go down to the wire as usual because WPI cannot put away anybody, they may get upset, but they will probably win by 5 points or less.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 07, 2006, 09:53:54 am

The post play is what wins tournament games.  You have to have solid post defenders and big time rebounders to win.  I'm not making any comment on WPI, because I haven't seen enough to do that reasonably, but it is a critique I've heard a lot from others.

Fortunately, WPI's record will probably get them a first round game that they can dominate without the post and they might sneak past the seecond round because they'll probably be hosting.  However, the sectional matchup is where things get tricky.  They aren't 100% to make it to the third round, but if they do, that's where it gets real and any weakness they have will be exposed.

Of course, if they lose in the conference tourny and have to get in on Pool C, that all changes and they may have a tough match-up right away.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: TheFence on February 07, 2006, 09:57:07 am
I'd agree that WPI is soft inside but Coleman plays big.  He's very athletic and reabonds very well for his size so WPI doesn't get killed on the boards, which is critical when your undersized.

Also, it is my observation that there are not many d3 teams that are loaded inside.  This is why WPI is getting away with it right now.  Coming tourney time they won't have a problem until they get out of the region because nobody in NE will kill them upfront due to Coleman's athletisim.  Again once they get out of the region they have bigger problems as their strength (Guard play and intensity) will be matched and probably overmatched not be mention what some teams may be able to do them inside.

Of course we said that about Keene State a couple years ago as well and they beat Rochester who had one of the best big men in the country to get to the elite 8.

None the less WPI is the class of New England in my opinion.  I think their better than Amhearst.  Sleeper in NEWMAC tourney is Springfield.  They have the best player in the conference.  As far as the NCAA's you don't want to be Amhearst or WPI and See Salem State in round 2.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 07, 2006, 10:04:47 am
As far as the NCAA's you don't want to be Amhearst or WPI and See Salem State in round 2.

Fence, is that because of their size in the post?  Because they certainly are playing even more sporadically than usual.  They might not even make the tourny this year; I'm not confident they can string together enough games to win their conference tournament.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: sixer on February 07, 2006, 10:59:02 am
As far as the NCAA's you don't want to be Amhearst or WPI and See Salem State in round 2.

I'm with Hoops Fan, why do you say that?  Maybe I misunderstood you, but I don't think WPI would have any problem at all with Salem State.  They beat Salem 96-71 early in the season.  It was actually one of their few decisive vistories.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: TheFence on February 07, 2006, 11:25:27 am
They are both sleepers so keep my comments in perspective. Here's my rational.

Springfield: I think the Guard (Yvon is it) can carry them to a few victories despit there terrible record.  Also, they have played a very tough schedule so they will be tested come the conference tourney.

Salem State.  I saw them twice and they are big and athletic.  They struggled big time early on in the non-conference season but that I believe that was because they had bunch guys who had not played together.  It is a typical Salem State crew, a bunch of  transfers from all over the counrty Juco and D2 as well.  I think their talent alone will make them tough.  They are playing better of late, of course that could be becasue they are playing in a weak conference. (Though not as bad as the CCC, Kidding Hoopsfan Just Kidding)

Keep in mind, no ever accussed me of being the Stu Feiner of D3.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 07, 2006, 11:54:38 am

I assumed that's what you meant.  They are big and athletic as always, but they have to play together for long stretches, which seems like, well a stretch, for this crew.  It is true, they pose match-up problems in the post for a lot of teams.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 07, 2006, 12:02:08 pm

Another question I have for you guys.  I know Gordon has talked to the NEWMAC about becoming school #8.  There seems to be a decent fit in terms of mission and vision and the direction of the school's development.  Do you know what the procedure is for schools joining the NEWMAC?  Is there a waiting period?  How many schools have to approve the addition?
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: sixer on February 07, 2006, 01:28:11 pm
Hoops Fan,
Keep in mind that Gordon would make team #8 for the men's side of the conference, but team #11 for the women.

From the NEWMAC handbook:

Section 4.
Minimal Principles Governing Full Membership:
1. Must demonstrate a commitment to academic excellence.
2. Must be NCAA Division III member.
3. Must maintain consistent, broad based, gender equitable programs sponsoring a majority of the
sports in which the conference currently offers championships.
4. Must be a college or university that is within a reasonable travel distance for all member
institutions.
5. Must maintain full conference participation in all sports that are part of the varsity program, and
are classified as a NCAA Division III sport.

Section 5.
Application Process:
If the conference is considering member expansion or replacement, or if an institution initiates a
request for membership, a majority plus one vote of the Athletic Directors is required to issue an
invitation to apply for membership.

All those seeking membership must adhere to the following procedures:
1. A letter of application should be sent to the Conference President indicating interest in
membership.
2. Input on the applicant will be gathered by the Executive Director and shared with the Athletic
Directors. The Athletic Directors will have a minimum of 30 days to review application
materials.
3. The Athletic Directors will vote on new members at the June meeting.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 07, 2006, 02:07:40 pm

Thanks for the quick, thorough reference sixer; I take back anything I may have said about you.

I'm hearing rumblings from Gordon that they may be looking to leave sooner rather than later (hence the admission of WNEC to the CCC next season).

I wonder if there is any way to know what if any steps in the process have been done?  I don't think they are at the point of petitioning, but I know there have been "talks."
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: sixer on February 07, 2006, 06:13:45 pm
I'm a little in the dark, why is Gordon looking to leave the CCC?
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: 617primetime on February 07, 2006, 09:34:20 pm
 Springfield looked good and got a nice win over Clark by 15. Swingman Derek Yvon broke the school's alltime scoring record with 29 points to put him a little over 2000.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: mattyt02 on February 07, 2006, 09:39:19 pm
Springfield looked good and got a nice win over Clark by 15. Swingman Derek Yvon broke the school's alltime scoring record with 29 points to put him a little over 2000.

He ended up with 2006, breaking Hassan Robinson ('95) old mark of 2005.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: formerbant10 on February 07, 2006, 11:39:08 pm
Congrats to Mr. Yvon, 2000 a lotta f'in points.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 08, 2006, 08:42:55 am

That's not a half bad career right there.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 08, 2006, 08:45:17 am

And to answer you sixer, Gordon has been on the rise both in their academics and in the attention they've been paying to the athletic department for the last few years.  They see the NEWMAC as a better fit for the Athletic Department in all sports as well as a better fit in terms of academic mission, etc.

No matter how much money some of the schools have, the CCC is a blue-collar conference and GC just doesn't want that anymore.  They do have aspirations for being more well rounded and complete athletically.  They probably do or are aspiring to have more in common with the NEWMAC schools.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: TheFence on February 08, 2006, 10:16:07 am
Any time you score more points in a career than Hassan Robinson your doing something.  Congrats to Derek Yvon.

I wonder if he's and all-american baseball player like Robinson was.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: wildgoose on February 08, 2006, 10:54:09 am
Yvon starts as a 3b on the baseball team
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: 617primetime on February 08, 2006, 11:14:05 am
 Wonder if you guys think Springfield could make a run in the newmac tourney. After a horrendous start this year, they have won four straight including a 20 point win over Endicott. Also, they've played WPI, Amherst, and Tufts very tight; and took Williams to OT. Granted, they'll probably have to lock up with WPI early, but I wanted to know if you guys think this is a team that could run the table and get in.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 08, 2006, 11:16:31 am

I was just thinking the same thing.  I think they are probably the most capable team of knocking WPI off and it would certainly boost the talent level of the NE region reps in the tourney if they made it in.  They were so highly regarded to start the year and had a great year last year.  I think they can do it, but they're still probably a longshot at this point.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: hugenerd on February 08, 2006, 03:20:35 pm
I think any team in the NEWMAC could win the tourney.  There is no team that much better than any other team.  Especially if you consider WPI the best team, they have not beaten anyone by more than a few points so it is wide open.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: TheFence on February 08, 2006, 03:54:28 pm
I think I posted it here yesterday saying the Springfield was the team to watch in the NEWMAC Tourney.

Interesting to here that Yvon plays baseball as well.  Hassan Robinson was a outstanding shortstop and was darfted by the Houston Astros organiztion.  He made it far as Double A I believe before hanging up his spikes.  Oh yeah, he could really score on the Basketball court as well. That of course was back when Spirngfield played D2 in the NE 10 Conference.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: newmacnewcommer on February 08, 2006, 03:59:46 pm
I hope Yvon gets serious consideration for Player of the Year, even if Springfield doesn't win the tourney. He's been the most consistent player for 4 years.

I agree that the the tourney is wide open with the exception of Clark and Babson.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 08, 2006, 04:05:20 pm

WPI is in at #2 in the first rankings, no other NEWMAC team got a mention.  Keene at #10 is very surprising.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: sixer on February 08, 2006, 06:08:04 pm
I agree that the the tourney is wide open with the exception of Clark and Babson.

I totally agree.  2 years ago WPI was the regular season champs, and Babson stole the NEWMAC championship in the tourney.  WPI may be getting the most attention, but since they've played so many NEWMAC opponents down to the wire I agree that anything could happen in the tourney.

"IF" WPI slips up and doesn't win the tourney, they'd still be a safe bid to the NCAA tournament, right?  But then they'd lose home court advantage and draw a more difficult 1st round game.

I think next week's Springfield @ WPI could set the tone here.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: hugenerd on February 08, 2006, 09:11:47 pm
According to the scoreboard WPI lost to Wheaton tonight by 2.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: wildgoose on February 08, 2006, 10:14:42 pm
Babson beat Coast guard!
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: hugenerd on February 08, 2006, 10:39:31 pm
Tonights results make the last few games of the season interesting , MIT and CGA are now tied for second in the conference with Wheaton 4th.  I am not 100% but I am pretty sure WPI has already clinched the conference.  The only teams that can technically have the same record as them if everything goes right are CGA and MIT.  MIT has already lost twice to WPI and even if CGA wins out and WPI loses out, their head to head will be 1-1 and CGA would lose the next tiebreaker which is record against the third place team, which is MIT whom CGA lost to.  Thus, it will be interesting to see who can get that second place spot (as well as 3rd and 4th) and host some games in the NEWMAC tourney.
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Post by: 617primetime on February 08, 2006, 10:50:19 pm
Like to see the North Shore native Ryan Flynn drop 22 for WPI... wonder why Cain only got 7 shots off
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Post by: newmacnewcommer on February 08, 2006, 11:55:06 pm
Cain only got 7 shots tonight because WPI's ball movement stinks and has for quite some time ! WPI doesn't have 1 player in the top 10 in assists in the conference. They have 3 or 4 guy's who try to beat you 1 on 1.  They are not good at sharing the ball. This is why they won't go very far in the NCAA tourney. When another team takes away your
best player you have to make even more of an effort to get him the ball otherwise the defense wins. I think this escapes the coaching staff.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: sixer on February 09, 2006, 02:03:04 am
and when you put that up against Sean Kelly's 7 assists for the night it makes for a tough matchup.  Doesn't help that WPI shot for 18% from 3-point territory, where they usually excell.

I think Tue's game against Springfield will be a real test.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 09, 2006, 09:05:35 am

I'd just like to mention that after last night, Springfield just has to win out to get the #2 seed in the tournament (or at least a tie for it).

Things are shaping up to be very interesting indeed.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: nescac1 on February 09, 2006, 10:25:24 am
NESCAC is rooting for that to happen (at least until the finals of the NEWMAC tourney, where a Springfield win would almost guarantee two NEWMAC teams in the NCAA, barring a huge collapse by WPI), because the big five from NESCAC all beat Springfield, and Springfield getting to .500 would help all of their SOSI's (unless SOSI is calculate based on the time the teams met, but I can't imagine that is the case?). 
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 09, 2006, 10:30:06 am

No its figured from the end of the year.  If WPI loses a few more, they might be out of the Pool C race.  Anything is possible.
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Post by: newmacnewcommer on February 09, 2006, 10:50:48 am
and when you put that up against Sean Kelly's 7 assists for the night it makes for a tough matchup.  Doesn't help that WPI shot for 18% from 3-point territory, where they usually excell.

I think Tue's game against Springfield will be a real test.

Iagree. I also believe that Saturday's game against CGA is a test. Last year CGA beat a better WPI team ( my opinon ). WPI had the other 6' 11" player and he's still better than this years version. Although he is getting better with each game. Must be nice to have an extra big guy around if you need one. I think that with the talent and experience that WPI has they should have beat teams in their conf. more soundly. What do you think their record would be if they were in the NESCAC?
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: sixer on February 09, 2006, 10:58:56 am

No its figured from the end of the year.  If WPI loses a few more, they might be out of the Pool C race.  Anything is possible.

Hoops Fan, can you clarify that?  By end of the year do you mean the Pool C bids are figured by the end of all games prior to the NCAA tournament, or by the end of regular season play?

Worst case scenario, if WPI loses a few more and drops the NEWMAC tourney who do you forsee getting the Pool C bids from New England?


I think the reason Wheaton won last night was because they're one of few teams so far that has been able to silence Cain AND Coleman at the same time.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: 617primetime on February 09, 2006, 11:16:07 am
 I would just like to say that WPI doesn't seem to get the respect they deserve. Everyone, myself included, tends to look at the faults of this team, instead of their strengths. I'm very aware they've played some not so good teams to the wire (WOR ST) and lost two games you wouldn't think (CLA & WHEATON)they would, but anyone who sees them play immediately knows they're loaded with talent. They are 18-2 and have beaten two current top 10 teams, WILL & SAL ST. I just think that they'd be a fan favorite if they had snuck up this year, instead of being expected to be a national power. I think this is a legit team.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: newmacnewcommer on February 09, 2006, 11:34:09 am
617Primetime

I agree that WPI is loaded with talent and thats why they have won as many games as they have. I was at the Williams game and I thought that WPI was the better team from a talent standpoint in fact I would say 10 points better. However, Williams is so well coached that they almost won the game. I would guess that by this time if WPI played them again Williams would win going away. I'm sure that they're a better team by now and WPI is struggling to win close games.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 09, 2006, 11:48:07 am

The selection committee looks at all in-region games, including the conference tournament. If WPI loses to Coast Guard and Springfield and then drops a game before the tourney championship, they could be in trouble.  I mean its a worse case scenario, but 5 regional losses, 4 of them in a row, they could be in trouble.  I think if they win one of the next two and lose in the conference final, they are still in.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: 617primetime on February 09, 2006, 11:50:22 am
Does the committe take momentum into account (i.e. 4 losses to end the year)? Does it benefit to end strong, or is it stricly numbers?
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 09, 2006, 11:58:24 am

The committee has primary and secondary criteria.  So if they are trying to decide between two teams, they have some extra things they consider other things.

Primary criteria (after in-region record and QOWI):

in-region head-to-head
in-region common opponents
(these two are only for ranking teams within a region though)
in-region games versus regionally ranked teams (ranked at the time of selection only)

Secondary criteria (which matter more when comparing teams from different regions):

out of region head-to-head
overall d3 winning percentage
results vs common d3 opponents
results vs teams ranked in any region
overall winning percentage
overall results vs common opponents
overall QOWI
play during the last 25% of the schedule

These criteria are in no particular order.  From past experience it seems losing before the conference tourney final will hurt a team more than anything else.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: 617primetime on February 09, 2006, 12:33:55 pm
Thanks for the education brotha
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: sixer on February 09, 2006, 12:46:35 pm
I think WPI has an amazing amount of talent too!  But that's why people pick them apart so much, because we know what they could be doing. 

And don't forget where they came from too...it was only a few years ('02-'03) ago that they were 1-11 in the NEWMAC and the year before that they were even worse. 

So clearly there was some great coaching there to turn a program around so dramatically.  But sometimes I start to wonder if last year's run went to Bartley's head and now he's aiming for a championship instead of focusing on playing good basketball...

Don't get me wrong, I think he's a great coach and a great guy (I mean he invited the entire team to his wedding), I just think he might have changed his focus a bit.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 09, 2006, 01:34:46 pm

I think they've got a good program developing there.  I never want to put a damper on people getting excited, I just wanted to keep realistic expectations, especially with the way the voters pumped them up so much.  I don't think the final four is a legitimate goal for this team.  I've seen too many good this falter because the expectations got too high, too fast.  Keep supporting the WPI boys, but don't expect them to be in Amherst or Williams' class (overall, as a program) just yet.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: newmacnewcommer on February 09, 2006, 03:48:43 pm
SIXER,

From what I understand, Prior to Bartley, WPI didn't really actively recruit players.
So the big turnaround is largely due to the fact that they starting recruiting. Also, Bartley's prior assistant is responsible for all the players curently there. He's gone so we"ll see what kind of players come in now.

Bartley gets and deserves credit for the intense and effective defense his teams have played under his watch.

He also has to assume responsibilty for the offense. Earlier I stated that he doesn't have 1 player in the top 10 in assists. This is because he has 4 players, who play alot of minutes , who feel that they are the #1 option, at least thats how they play.They won't give up the ball unless they can't do anything with it, even if another player has a better shot. This is the problem in a nut shell. There is 1 player that he's been encourging to pass all year, well coach, if hes not doing it 19 games into the season , he either doesn't understand or doesn't care.

IF they could get it going on both sides of the ball at the same time they could do some serious damage in the big tournment. I for one would love to see it.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: hugenerd on February 09, 2006, 10:19:42 pm
Mike Dauria of MIT was selected as First Team All Academic for District I today by CoSida.  He is now eligible for Academica All-American.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 10, 2006, 09:55:23 am

What does that say about one of the most prestigious academic schools in the region, that they only get one guy elligible for academic all-american??

I love MIT (one of the best libraries around, by the way); they should demand more respect than that.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: hugenerd on February 10, 2006, 11:46:55 am
The problem is that they only have one non-freshman averaging over 9 ppg.  So to get Academic All District you have to have both Academics and excel on the court.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 10, 2006, 12:43:31 pm

Well, I guess that's good for the future of the program.  Assuming they all stay on the court; does MIT have a problem with upperclassmen leaving the team to focus on studies?  I know that's an issue a lot of places across d3; I would assume it would be even more so at some of the more challenging academic institutions.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: hugenerd on February 10, 2006, 04:44:18 pm
No, not that I know of.  There are 4 seniors and a couple are role players and a couple start.
Title: wpi loses again!
Post by: wildgoose on February 12, 2006, 10:15:01 am
whats up with WPi - did any one see that game - ya think CG can make a run during the tourney-   I think so - watch out for Springfield
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: wildgoose on February 12, 2006, 10:16:02 am
WPI loses again?
Title: Re: wpi loses again!
Post by: albinomascot19 on February 12, 2006, 07:04:25 pm
Teams go through tough stretches each year, but it all depends on how they respond to them.  WPI is now losers of two straight, but they are a well coached and talented team.  I feel they will bounce back, and handle Springfield.  I feel they will definitely win the conference tournament.  So its too soon to get worried, or concerned yet!
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: sixer on February 13, 2006, 08:24:55 am
You know, if WPI had to lose a few in a row, I don't think now is such a bad time to do it.  Maybe it'll give them a little wake up call before the NEWMAC tourney starts, make the guys realize that they don't necessarily have this one in the bag.

Like I said last week, tomorrow night against Springfield is gonna be a real test...
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 13, 2006, 08:48:09 am

It's getting very interesting.  WPI is lucky they got out to such a big lead in the conference.  I'm not sure they will get by Springfield.  If they don't, that first conference tourney game is going to have a ton of pressure on it.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: newmacnewcommer on February 13, 2006, 10:01:37 am
I must disagree, now is not a good time to lose 2 couple.
What are they going to do now to fire up the offense?
This should have been addressed when they were just getting out of the gym's by the skin of their teeth.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 13, 2006, 10:03:49 am
If they lose four in a row, its trouble for even making the tournament.  It's never a good thing to lose back-to-back games.  They really need to win the conference tournament.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: newmacnewcommer on February 13, 2006, 04:00:49 pm
WPI out of the top 25!
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 13, 2006, 04:16:39 pm

That's quite a drop, probably deserved, but rare in the poll.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: sixer on February 14, 2006, 08:04:29 am
I'm gonna stand by my tough-love theory.  WPI losing a couple of games and dropping out of the polls...a little scare might just motivate them to pick it up a notch.  We all know the close-calls wins haven't don't the trick.

Plus they have a good group of seniors who probably aren't ready to lay down their careers just yet.  I think they just might bounce back from this slide.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: newmacnewcommer on February 14, 2006, 04:07:17 pm
Sixer,

They don't need motivation they need to make some changes. It should have happened awhile ago so I don't think you'll see it now.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: WPIgrad on February 14, 2006, 09:35:57 pm
WPI just beat Springfield 83-76 and clinched the 1-seed and homecourt for the tourney. Springfield came in on a 5 game win streak and was widely acknowledged to be playing their best basketball of the year. WPI came in on a 2 game losing streak and was allegedly nervous, crumbling, and poised for a fall. If a nervous and crumbling WPI can shut down the best of Springfield, hey I'll take that with a smile and a fist pump.

To everyone who keeps saying WPI's crumbling and is just waiting for them to do badly and pounce on them - save it. You guys have had precious little opportunity to gloat this year so make the most of WPI's 3 losses. Watch and love the incredible WPI NEWMAC and NCAA tournament runs that are coming up. GO TECH GO!
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: hugenerd on February 14, 2006, 11:17:17 pm
Also, since Coast Guard won, one first round match up is set.  Springfield and Wheaton will meet in the 4 v 5 matchup and the winner will play WPI.  There are a couple of scenarios on the other side of the bracket.  MIT and CGA will be the 2 and 3 seeds (order not decided yet) and will play either Babson or Clark in the first round.  First round home games will be played at MIT, CGA and the Springfield/Wheaton site is yet to be decided.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: sixer on February 15, 2006, 02:02:15 am
newmacnewcomer,

Exactly what changes do you suggest they make?  You can make all the tactical changes, line-up changes, play changes in the world....but if the guys on the court aren't motivated then those changes are useless. 

Hoops Fan, where are you?  I think I remember awhile ago you predicted a 20-3 final record for WPI.  Right on.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 15, 2006, 08:46:34 am

Hey, even the losers get lucky sometime.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: sixer on February 15, 2006, 01:07:45 pm
How can you call WPI losers at 20-3?? 

Overrated?  Perhaps. 
But losers? No way.

Hoopsfan, you got what you wanted, they dropped out of the top 25, so why do you have to keep ragging on them?  I think you like to see them stuggle, that's a poor attitude

CONGRATS to WPI seniors for pulling themselves back up on Senior night.

Probably gonna lose a "karma-point" for this one....whatever
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 15, 2006, 01:50:46 pm

I was referring to myself, for having predicted the correct record.





..you probably think this song is about you...
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: newmacnewcommer on February 15, 2006, 02:32:22 pm
Hoops Fan,

I knew exactly what you meant.

Sixer,
I think there is plenty of motivation by the players. I never said there wasn't .
I think line-up changes are appropriate> Last night is a good example, some people might be surprised by Steele's game, I'm not. The difference is last night he got to play,
he got off to a good start and Bartley left him in. Normally, it's one mistake and come sit on the bench. There is a big difference between playing 31 min and 15-20. And thats how Bartley plays most of the seniors. He doesn't take advantage of their experience and heart. Those are the guys that went 7-18 and 1-11 as freshman and turned the program around in 1 year. Now he plays them like freshman. Are some of the sophs better BB players  Yes but they lack experience.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: sixer on February 15, 2006, 04:42:09 pm
well that's a little embarassing, my apologies, Hoopsfan.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 15, 2006, 04:44:56 pm

No problem; I've had my share of embarassing misreads over the years.

New rankings are out, somehow WPI stayed in the #2 slot.  I guess this new committee is only looking as record and QOWI, not about what the teams did over the past week.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: hugenerd on February 15, 2006, 10:15:05 pm
Where did Westfield State come from?  Also, I know NE is the biggest region, but there are only 3 teams ranked in the entire NCAAs (men's DIII to be specific) with 7 in region losses and all 3 are ranked in the NE (Williams, RIC and Westfield).  I wonder why a team like CGA isnt getting a look after beating the #2 ranked WPI team by 12 on the road, other than losing to Babson twice they havent had a bad loss in the last 23 games.  MIT might also deserve a look, their only "bad" loss has come to a surging Springfield team.  In my opinion the NEWMAC deserves two teams in the NE rankings, they may not be the strongest conference overall, but all the teams are competitive and the top 5 or 6 teams could play with anyone on a given night.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: qbsfinest on February 15, 2006, 11:30:41 pm
Coast Guard isnt gettin a look for the simple fact that u just stated. they lost to babson twice. Babson is not a good team. they play hard and have a  strong defensive presence but for god's sakes they can't score. they are not good at all. And like i been tellin all u guys, WPI is very overrated and would not be surprised if they did not win their conference tournament. So CGA beating them and losing twice to Babson makes them like the rest of the teams in the NEWMAC-AVERAGE!!!!
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 16, 2006, 09:12:05 am

QOWI is a big factor.  Westfield beat Salem this week and their number is pretty good, plus the committee seems to think it needs a rep from all the "major" conferences in the region, which means NESCAC, NEWMAC, LEC, CCC and MASCAC.

In their defense, Westfield has been playing pretty well this year.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: hugenerd on February 18, 2006, 09:27:28 pm
NEWMAC's final standings are not only symmetric, but between every spot there is exactly a one game difference.  If that isnt clear, here is what I mean:

WPI 9-3
MIT 8-4
CGA 7-5
Wheaton 6-6
Springfield 5-7
Clark 4-8
Babson 3-9

Conference tourney is now set:

First Round:

WPI (1): bye
MIT (2) : hosts Babson (7) (season series 2-0 MIT)
CGA (3): hosts Clark (6) (season series 1-1)
Wheaton (4) : hosts Springfield (5) (season series 1-1)

Interesting Matchups:
Clark just beat CGA at CGA
Wheaton and Springfield have split previous games, each blowing the other out at home

Second Round:

WPI plays Wheaton/Springfield winner
MIT/Babson winner plays CGA/Clark winner
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 20, 2006, 08:55:15 am

It should be a fun time.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: sixer on February 20, 2006, 09:52:31 am
I'm thinking a Wheaton win tomorrow night based on momentum (Springfield has dropped 2 in a row) and home court advantage....but anything could happen

plus, as a WPI fan I'd rather face Springfield in the second round, we have a bad history with Wheaton
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: newmacnewcommer on February 20, 2006, 10:51:52 am
Sixer,

I would much rather play Wheaton, it always very difficult to beat the same team 3 times
in 1 season and that would be the case with Springfield.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: hugenerd on February 22, 2006, 12:04:26 am
MIT won its 19th game of the year, tying a school record set 39 years ago.  Dou Soumare returned after a open dislocation of his thumb that kept him out 7 games. Her is MIT's best defensive threat.  He was instrumental on the defensive end in the second half of tonight's game.  Getting 5 blocks and 9 boards in the final 8-10 minutes of the game.  MIT faces CGA on saturday.  Soumare was injured a month ago in the two team's last meeting.  Should be a good one, along with the other NEWMAC final between WPI and Wheaton.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 22, 2006, 09:28:32 am

MIT actually has a shot at an at-large bid if they keep winning.  They will need a lot of other teams who are supposed to win, continue to win, but there is an outside shot if the beat Coast Guard.  I think the 8 region losses might kill them, but their QOWI number is way up right now.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: newmacnewcommer on February 22, 2006, 10:19:33 am
It would be justice for MIT to get in. If not for 1 bad no call at the end of the WPI game, MIT would be the regular season champs. However, they are probably going to have to win the tourney to get in.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 22, 2006, 10:21:59 am

Yeah, it would be a bit crazy if MIT got in without winning the tournament.  I think they can do it though.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: sixer on February 22, 2006, 11:20:27 am
I'm glad to see MIT and WPI both doing so well this season.  It's good to see some "geek" schools do well in a conference that definately has its share of "jock" schools (ie Wheaton and Springfield).  WPI catches a lot of crap about being so nerdy, it's great to be able to hear about something other than robotics competitions on camps.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: sixer on February 22, 2006, 11:22:02 am
what would need to happen in the other NE conferences for MIT to have a good shot at an at-large bid?
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 22, 2006, 11:56:57 am

It's not the NE conferences, its every conference in the country.  Pretty much every team that is leading their conference would have to win the automatic bid.

In the last QOWI rankings, MIT was 19th among teams not leading their conference.  Add to that their regional losses (which will be 8 by the time they get to Pool C) and its a super long shot.  They are better off winning the tournament.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: newmacnewcommer on February 22, 2006, 12:55:24 pm
Hoops Fan,

What happen's to WPI if they lose to Wheaton? I would think they are still in>
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 22, 2006, 01:03:13 pm

Yeah, I think they are in no matter what.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: newmacnewcommer on February 22, 2006, 01:07:32 pm
Hoops Fan,

Thanks.
Who gets knocked  out if someone other than WPI wins?
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 22, 2006, 01:16:59 pm

That's tough to know until it all pans out.  Teams like NYU, NJCU, and St Thomas are "on the bubble" so to speak.  You really can't know who would be hurt by that loss until Sunday.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: babsongunz on February 22, 2006, 09:46:08 pm
enough talk about mit.  if they do make it to the finals they will have to prove that they can hang with wpi and coleman anyways.  give them crdeit for last nihgts win at least - that big kid #21 stalled us, and what surprises me most about that team is how deep they are.  i sat in the stands and watched a blond kid and an asian kid with a headband hit like 15 consecutive threes in warmups.  ive been to all three babson matchups this year, i dont think those two played a combined 5 minutes.  go figure. 
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: hugenerd on February 22, 2006, 11:34:17 pm
That was #21's (Soumare) first game back after missing 7 games, he dominated the last 10 minutes of the game getting 5 blocks and 9 of his 10 rebounds in that span.  He should make a big impact in the Coast Guard game, Johnson had a field day last time the two teams met after Soumare was injured early in the first half.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 23, 2006, 08:56:30 am

With Soumare back, MIT becomes the favorite in this game, in my book.  He adds something that MIT really needed.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 23, 2006, 08:56:54 am

With Soumare back, MIT becomes the favorite in this game, in my book.  He adds something that MIT really needed.


Wow, talk about subject-verb agreement problems...ouch.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: nehoops4life on February 23, 2006, 10:59:51 am
Did someone call Wheaton a "jock" school???  AS an alum and former athlete of that institution, it is FAR from a jock school.  Good athletics, yes ... jock school, no.

Springfield, yes, THAT is a jock school
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 23, 2006, 11:03:06 am
Springfield, yes, THAT is a jock school

They do have somewhat of a reputation to live up to.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: hugenerd on February 23, 2006, 11:15:37 am
Just some trivia for you, before Naismith came to Springfield and invented the game we now call basketball, he taught at and went to school at a very good school in Montreal...McGill University.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 23, 2006, 01:34:30 pm

Yes, yes, the great American game was invented by a Canadian, but he did invent it in Springfield, just not while he was at Springfield.  It's still a rep to live up to.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: sixer on February 23, 2006, 03:13:35 pm
I have lived in Mass my whole life and I've never heard of Wheaton for anything BUT athletics...

What else are they known for?
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 23, 2006, 03:19:18 pm

I think Wheaton is best known for being mistaken for the other Wheaton out in Illinois.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: WNECFAN on February 23, 2006, 09:07:24 pm
I'm an SC alum and Naismith did invent basketball while he was at Springfield.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: hugenerd on February 23, 2006, 09:37:59 pm
If you read the posts, there was no argument about the location of the invention.  I was actually at Springfield's gym last week.  The point was that he came from Canada, where he was born, raised and schooled, and then came up with the sport after coming to work at Springfield.  Here is a quote from my previous post "before Naismith came to Springfield and invented the game", hence I am stating that before he both came to Springfield and invented the game, he worked and went to school at McGill.  No need to be touchy about the subject, no one is trying to steal Springfield's thunder.  Just adding a little historical taste to the board, since most people don't know much about Naismith, the man, not just the myth.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 24, 2006, 09:11:26 am

I'm guessing most New England basketball fans do know something about him, because of the proximity.

I just thought the timing of the post was strange.  It seemed like you were trying to debate the fact that Springfield has an athletic legacy to live up to.  If you weren't, fine.  No big deal.


I was also alluding to the fact that Volleyball was invented in Holyoke, as well.  Two major d3 sports invented really close to your school, that is a legacy to live up to.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: hugenerd on February 24, 2006, 11:30:08 am
That is why I prefaced the post, "Just some trivia for you...", the timing of the post was irrelevant, I just think that is interesting.
Title: NEWMAC Tourney
Post by: mikejeep on February 25, 2006, 08:11:10 pm
Just got back from the NEWMAC Tourney at WPI...

WPI beat Wheaton fairly handily, but they did have a 34-point lead early in the second half nearly evaporate due to a great run by Wheaton.  Coleman did his usual thing grabbing several key rebounds, and freshman Adam Lirette got quite a bit of playing time and looks like he is going to be a central component of this team over the next few years.

MIT beat Coast Guard in a pretty good game, giving MIT 20 wins for the first time ever.  MIT's Dau had a great game even with a large bandage on his hand, including a monster dunk.

All-Engineer final at 1pm tomorrow for the trophy!
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: hugenerd on February 25, 2006, 08:13:06 pm
MIT handles CGA today, leading by as much as 24 in the 2nd half before winning by 12.  Dou Soumare again had a big game, as did freshman Jimmy Bartollota and scoring leader Mike Dauria.  Alex Krull also scored in double figures off the bench.  Soumare had a pretty nasty dunk after a steal in the first half.

WPI was up by 32 at half time (53-21) after scoring 25 points in the first 6 minutes and leading 31-6 after about 9 minutes.  Wheaton didnt give up though, as they cut it to 10 with about 5 minutes remaing, again WPI showed why they have won every game so close this year: they cant close out a game.  Luckily they had built up a big enough lead to hold off Wheaton with free throw shooting at the end of the game.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: atn alum on February 26, 2006, 07:34:12 am
NEWMAC men's title game.

#1 seed WPI vs #2 seed MIT

Tip at 1PM ET, pre-game at 12:50, featuring brief interviews with MIT head coach Larry Anderson and WPI senior guard Ryan Flynn.

Those with high-speed internet can go here for the video/audio feed

http://mfile.akamai.com/21612/live/reflector:49031.asx?prop=n

Those on dial-up can go here for an audio feed

http://www.bcmonsters.com

(not sure if interviews will be available on the video feed)

I imagine we'll also be updating the women's title game (Springfield vs Mount Holyoke)

Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: WPIgrad on February 26, 2006, 03:37:54 pm
WPI won in pretty convincing fashion today against MIT 69-56. Solid performances all around with Flynn leading WPI with 20 points. We've really played well in the tournament and I'm looking forward to the NCAAs. Coleman had two emphatic dunks and MIT's supposedly big defensive threat 'Dou' was silent. To everyone who keeps doubting WPI - I think we answered pretty nicely.

Here we come NCAAs!!!!

GO TECH!
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: broke_ya_ankles on February 26, 2006, 08:48:13 pm
as far as what Wheaton is known for, they are respected in terms of athletics, however they offer a quality education, average SAT scores to get in are about 1260 and average GPA is 3.45 so its got a solic academic foundation.  student faculty ratio of 11:1 is solid too for the small college idea they try and offer.... on a side note, they usually have some rather appealing girls there too haha  :D
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: broke_ya_ankles on February 26, 2006, 11:05:58 pm
any idea on who the 8 for the ECAC tourney will be?

a few come to mind quickly...

Keene State (shoe-in)
Colby-Sawyer
Roger Williams
Rhode Island College
Wheaton
Salem State
Husson

others?
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: hugenerd on February 26, 2006, 11:49:33 pm
I dont know how Wheaton could come to mind before MIT and Coast Guard, both of whom finished ahead of Wheaton in the NEWMAC with better records.  Also, Bates and Trinity (CT) are locks for sure out of the NESCAC.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: hugenerd on February 26, 2006, 11:52:59 pm
Emmanuel and Williams will also get consideration.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: broke_ya_ankles on February 26, 2006, 11:58:15 pm
someone brought up the point NESCAC teams dont usually participate in the ECAC....
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: hugenerd on February 27, 2006, 12:19:12 am
Oh really, I didnt read the whole conversation then, but if that is the case I still think MIT and CGA get in before Wheaton.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: hugenerd on February 27, 2006, 01:12:16 pm
The New England Region has been announced:

1. Keene State
2. MIT
3. Emmanuel
4. Rhode Island College
5. Coast Guard
6. Wheaton
7. Plymouth State
8. Colby Sawyer

You guys were right about the NESCAC schools not participating.  Also, there are 3 NEWMAC schools in the tourney.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Clark Basketball on February 28, 2006, 12:17:24 pm
Are these WPI teams better than the Clark teams of 00-01 and 01-02?
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: formerbant10 on February 28, 2006, 01:52:55 pm
I know they aren't better than the Clark teams from 1984 and 1987 or probably not the 1981 team either.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 28, 2006, 01:56:52 pm
Are these WPI teams better than the Clark teams of 00-01 and 01-02?

Probably not, but then again those comparisons are so subjective.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: hugenerd on February 28, 2006, 08:48:19 pm
MIT swept the individual awards in the NEWMAC.

Mike Dauria was selected player of the year, Jimmy Bartollota was named rookie of the year and Larry Anderson was named Coach of the Year.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: hugenerd on February 28, 2006, 11:13:09 pm
Congratulations to Mike D'auria for also being named as a Cosida Academic All-American.

Mike is also 26 points away from 1500 for his career and will pursue that mark and a ECAC crown beginning tomorrow against Plymouth.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: sixer on March 01, 2006, 01:32:38 am
Rounding out the rest of the all-conference team:

FIRST TEAM
Craig Johnson     Coast Guard     Forward   So   Medford, OR
Mike D’Auria         MIT                  Guard       Sr    Newton, MA
Derek Yvon          Springfield       Guard       Sr    East Longmeadow, MA
Sean Kelly           Wheaton          Guard       Sr    Providence, RI
Ryan Flynn          WPI                  Guard       Sr    Hamilton, MA

SECOND TEAM
Al Sowers            Coast Guard   Guard        So    Monrovia, MD
Jeff Prebeck         Coast Guard   Forward    So    Columbus, IN
Brian Zukowski    Wheaton        Guard        Jr     Dracut, MA
Ryan Cain            WPI                Guard        Jr     Webster, MA
Antoine Coleman WPI                Forward    So    Everett, MA



I'm a little suprised to see Flynn on the 1st team with Cain and Coleman on the 2nd team.  I don't disagree, just surprised people saw it that way.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 01, 2006, 09:12:25 am

Hey, where did you see the All-America list?  It's not even up on the CoSIDA website yet, although today is the release day.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: newmacnewcommer on March 01, 2006, 10:25:05 am
Cograts to MIT players and coaches, very well deserved.
also to HUGENERD your team had and is having a great season, I hope they win the ECAC'S.

I'm not surprised that Flynn is first team, without his end of game heroics, Wpi"s record is much different ( 3 or 4 more loses )
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 01, 2006, 10:32:51 am

Wow, all three of those CGA guys are sophomores?  That could be one heck of a squad in a year or two.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: newmacnewcommer on March 01, 2006, 10:37:02 am
Hoops Fan

I agree, at times CGA looked great this year, the next 2 years s/b great for them.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: clarkie on March 01, 2006, 11:29:30 am
Way to forget Tim Dutille. His sophomore year he was Second Team All-NEWMAC, his junior year, First Team. Now he doesn't even get a shout. Hmmm.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 01, 2006, 12:08:20 pm

Dutille seems a slight omission, but its hard to argue with any of the guys who made these teams.  I'd have probably given him a nod, especially because of the larger body of work.  I guess you can only blame the coaches.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: hugenerd on March 01, 2006, 12:53:22 pm
Hoops Fan,
The coaches find out a day earlier and so do SIDs, so if you go to the actual schools athletic page they will have an article.  For example, I also know the Clayton Barlow Wilcox of Carnegie Mellon got 3rd team Academic All-America because you can see the article at www.cmu.edu/athletic.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 01, 2006, 12:59:16 pm

Gotcha, I guess I'll just have to wait another couple hours for the official posting.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: clarkie on March 01, 2006, 04:02:56 pm
I understand that is up to the SIDs and the coaches, but do we honestly need 3 representatives from Coast Guard? They made a huge turnaround, no one can deny that, but even when the Clark teams were unstoppable a few years ago there were only 2 representatives on the team. Coast Guard did lose twice to the bottom team in the NEWMAC?

Go WPI!! Represent the NEWMAC!
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: hugenerd on March 01, 2006, 10:26:04 pm
NEWMAC had a decent night in the ECAC, MIT won 60-55, Wheaton blew out Emmanuel and unfortunately Coast Guard lost in overtime to RIC.  MIT and Wheaton meat in the Semis on Friday, as do Keene State and RIC.

Mike Dauria scored 22 for MIT and is now 4 points from 1500.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: hugenerd on March 01, 2006, 10:27:08 pm
One other thing,  MIT extended its record for most wins in a season to 21, the previous record had been 19 40 years ago.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: hugenerd on March 15, 2006, 02:26:25 am
Congratulations to 1st team all Northeat Region and NE region Player of the year Mike Dauria of MIT.  He had a great season and deserves all the accolades he gets (which have been numerous this season).  Hopefully the voters will make him a first team all american as well.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 15, 2006, 08:36:41 am

I doubt he gets first team all-america, having not been big on the radar and being behind quite a few amazing guards around the country.  He was a suprise pick to me, but no less deserving of the honor.  Congratulations.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on April 21, 2006, 09:07:52 am

So Cassara is out at Clark?  Anyone not see this coming?  I thought he'd last one more year, but oh well.  We need some input as to how this affects the players who were set to come this year.  Will this be a major setback to the basketball revival at Clark?
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: formerbant10 on April 21, 2006, 10:55:26 am
Tough to say if anyone saw it coming, but I'm sure some will say they knew what was going on.  Either way, you can't argue a change like that for Coach Cassara, great opportunity for him. 

I don't think it'll be a setback, seeing as though longtime assistant Tyrone Hicks is still their and can handle the recruiting load.

And on the D3 level, I haven't heard of many players transfering out because a coach leaves.  It's quite possible, but unlikely.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on April 21, 2006, 11:39:38 am

I meant more about the class of Freshmen coming in.  At this point, some of them may not even have deposited yet.  I know Cassera had a lot to do with last year's class and the one upcoming.  I was just wondering if people heard about incoming freshman who may be back on the market.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: clarkie on April 27, 2006, 02:46:01 pm
i've heard at least two recruits are coming from my alumni pals...i was just checking my alma mater's website and the position is officially posted, anyone know who will apply?
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on April 27, 2006, 04:26:42 pm

Not Dana Barros; he already got a job.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: clarkie on May 13, 2006, 01:45:59 pm
In a recent article in the Worcester Telegram and Gazette, Clark AD Linda Moulton said that she is hoping for a June 1 hire date for the new coach. Also, she said that one of the finalists from the last search when Paul Phillips left is a top contender. I'm guessing Kevin Clark, or maybe Walter Townes. Has anyone heard anything?
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 13, 2006, 04:12:54 pm
I have not heard anything but wanted to post to say it was good to say a Clark poster on the board. Not much representation here, usually.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Clark Basketball on May 15, 2006, 10:25:24 am
I am hearing that Kevin Clark has been offered the job and that the only thing that has to be resolved is money.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on May 15, 2006, 10:56:29 am

The same Kevin Clark who was already Clark Head Coach back in he late 80's?  Why would he take what has to amount as a demotion at this point in his career?  I know he's an alum and all, but they would have to put up a lot of money to get me to take that gig.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: clarkie on May 15, 2006, 04:51:43 pm
I think its a no brainer to take the job. Kevin Clark is in his late 40's and has children. A D3 job, though demanding eliminates a lot of the travel that D1 brings and he has many ties to the area. One of his best friends is Tyrone Hicks, the associate head coach now. Clark knows Clark (that'd be fun to say too for us alums), and knows that with its strong academic and basketball reputation that he can succeed. He knows D3, thats what is important.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on May 15, 2006, 04:59:15 pm

If those are true, I truly so applaud him.  We need more college basketball guys standing up for family and academics.  From a career standpoint, I just don't see it; it would be great for Clark and NE d3 ball though; Clark's a good guy.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: formerbant10 on May 16, 2006, 04:20:50 pm
I think Clarkie has the right thoughts on the situation.  If the job was offered to Clark and he accepted it, I don't think he'd have to worry about making any more moves.  Could be a very good move for Clark if that is true, great recruiter and motivator....plenty of experience. 

Watch out for the Cougars in a couple of years if this rumor is true.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Clark Basketball on June 01, 2006, 10:55:59 am
what is up with the Clark job?
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 01, 2006, 11:15:58 am

I haven't heard anything official yet.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: sully6827 on June 01, 2006, 03:18:57 pm
anyone know anything about the other openings in New England?
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Clark Basketball on June 02, 2006, 11:16:57 am
This was in the Worcester paper today:

Clark’s search for a new men’s basketball coach continues.

Sources said Kevin Clark, the top contender for the position when the search began early last month, is no longer a candidate.

“Things didn’t work out,” one of the sources said. 


Clark, an assistant at the University of Rhode Island, was the Cougars’ head coach from 1987-91.

Clark director of athletics Linda Moulton had originally targeted yesterday as a hire date, but now, “we are probably a couple weeks away,” she said.

Clark is seeking a new coach for the second time in three seasons. Mo Cassara, who replaced Paul Phillips as head coach in 2004, resigned in April to become an assistant at Boston College. Moulton said the school received about 50 applications for the job, considered one of the top Division 3 positions in New England.

“Overall, the pool isn’t as large as last time,” Moulton said, “but we have some great quality candidates. We’re in the process of developing our short list.”

According to sources, Assumption assistant and Clark graduate John Ginnity, Cougars assistant and Clark grad Chris Oroszko, Norwich coach Paul Booth, Brown assistant Kevin Jaskiewicz and former Assumption coach Tom Ackerman are among those in the mix.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 02, 2006, 11:48:11 am


I'd like to see what Paul Booth could do at Clark.  He's done so well with quite a few limitations at Norwich.  I don't know anything about the man or his coaching philosophy, but he certainly has produced well.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: All-around on June 02, 2006, 02:03:52 pm
In some recruiting news, other than on the first page I have heard that Jerome Kirkland will be attending WPI next year. He is a PG out of Boston who attended Northeastern last year. He is a very good player, good job for WPI.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: clarkie on June 03, 2006, 12:56:14 am
I have heard from a very reputable source (one of the candidates that has been listed) that former Clark coach (and a fantastic guy) Paul Philips is also on the very short list. Clark needs an older coach, a fatherly type that can turn the program around correctly.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 05, 2006, 09:02:12 am

Check out the front page.  MIT destroys the best basketball teams Taiwan has to offer.  I had no idea Basketball was so behind the times in Taiwan.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: hugenerd on June 05, 2006, 11:59:29 am
I heard MIT played really well in the tournament.  The team they played in the finals was no joke, it was a professional team with some guys that even competed on Taiwan's national team.  MIT has some really talented young big men and I think they will be a force next year in the NEWMAC.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Clark Basketball on June 05, 2006, 12:31:54 pm
They say that every year....without D'Auria they wont be as good as they were last year. 
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 05, 2006, 12:43:09 pm
I heard MIT played really well in the tournament.  The team they played in the finals was no joke, it was a professional team with some guys that even competed on Taiwan's national team.  MIT has some really talented young big men and I think they will be a force next year in the NEWMAC.

Taiwan National Team is not necessarily indicative of anything.  They might be the best the island has to offer, but you have to take it all in perspective.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: hugenerd on June 05, 2006, 02:56:02 pm
They say that every year....without D'Auria they wont be as good as they were last year. 

I guess we'll have to wait for the season to start to see that.  Don't forget that MIT also had the NEWMAC rookie of the year last year, Jimmy B., who happens to play the same positions as D'auria (1-3).  He may not be as good offensively yet but he is a better defender already. 

I hope Clark is better next year, only 4 conference wins this year.  Although you could make the argument (like you have with D'auria and MIT) that since they lost Dutile they may be even worse next year. 

Also, I don't know where you get this "every year" stuff, I don't think MIT has ever got enough hype to make that comment (there is pretty much no MIT talk on this board other than me).  Regardless, unlike other years, MIT has a player in Soumare who took over two conference tournament games last year (Babson and CGA) and who has shown that he can score as well.  They have three solid inside/outside scorers in Bartolotta, Krull, and Mroz and they have depth in the post with Juneau and Johnson.  They will be solid again and contend for the NEWMAC championship.  I think the top 3 teams next year in no given order will be MIT, WPI and CGA.

I heard MIT played really well in the tournament. The team they played in the finals was no joke, it was a professional team with some guys that even competed on Taiwan's national team. MIT has some really talented young big men and I think they will be a force next year in the NEWMAC.

Taiwan National Team is not necessarily indicative of anything. They might be the best the island has to offer, but you have to take it all in perspective.

Let me ask you this, when you say you have to take it all in perspective, what does that mean? Do you have an insiders perspective because you have seen Taiwan play, scouted their talent and made an informed decision. Or are you making your comments on the assumption that MIT is not good and any team they beat must be not good as well.  Unfortunately, I believe you are making your comments on preconceived notions and not on any sort of fact.  What if the Professional team they played in the finals is legit and MIT just played really well?  For some reason, no one believes that MIT can actually be good at basketball.  Everyone can continue to hate on MIT, but I am going to give them some respect for winning 21 games last year and coming one game from winning both the NEWMAC regular season crown and the conference tournament.  Everyone on this board can continue to take them lightly, but I gaurantee that the coaches in the NEWMAC won't.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 05, 2006, 03:26:19 pm


I like MIT; I think they are a good squad.  I think they will be competitive this year.  However, that being said, there are at least 300 collegiate US teams that are better than they are.  That doesn't count all of the professional squads here.  In comparison, they are not at the top of the ladder.  That was all I was refferencing.

I actually do follow international ball a little bit and Taiwan is consistently in the bottom of world rankings and don't show well, even in the historically weak Asian Sectional.  It's a good trip for MIT, but its not like they beat the Argentinian national squad or anything.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 05, 2006, 03:50:59 pm
Everyone can continue to hate on MIT, but I am going to give them some respect for winning 21 games last year and coming one game from winning both the NEWMAC regular season crown and the conference tournament.  Everyone on this board can continue to take them lightly, but I gaurantee that the coaches in the NEWMAC won't.

I will give them respect for doing that as well, though not for dominating various levels of Taiwan basketball. It's a fun trip and a good story but beating lower-level competition doesn't elevate MIT as a Division III basketball program.

But as I said, good story and worthy of the recognition.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: hugenerd on June 05, 2006, 05:10:56 pm
I agree with the last two posts.  It just seems that whenever there is something positive written about a school that isn't a historical powerhouse, there is immediate resistence from posters manifested as negative comments. 

Also, when I said MIT was going to be competitive and good, I was by no way comparing them to any other division or all of dIII for that matter.  I was comparing them to teams in the NEWMAC and saying they would be competitive in their league.


The Taiwanese professional team was the favorite going in, the tournament was even covered on ESPN(whichever version is broadcast in taiwan), MIT got the win and the upset.  All I am saying is there is no need to put down MIT for winning, regardless who the opponent was.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: clarkie on June 05, 2006, 06:51:03 pm
Soumare plays like a soccer player. He slide tackles and talks more trash than any player I have ever watched. A good athlete yes. But not a true basketball player.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: clarkie on June 05, 2006, 06:54:00 pm
And yes Timmy Dutille has graduated, but Clark has a star in Dominique Beck and Trey Thomas. Also, I've heard that despite Cassara leaving, three recruits are coming to Clark, including their number one recruit that is not listed on the Daily Dose site. It will take a year or two, but hopefully Clark will once again be the headlines in the alumni magazine. Also, Cory Szklarz has one year left of eligibility and did not graduate this year, despite his senior status. That might make things interesting.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: hugenerd on June 05, 2006, 07:59:22 pm
Soumare plays like a soccer player. He slide tackles and talks more trash than any player I have ever watched. A good athlete yes. But not a true basketball player.

If by slide tackle, you mean he takes charges--I agree.  And for that matter, being a "true" basketball player doesn't matter (have you seen Diop play for the Mavs in the playoffs, he started playing basketball when he was 17).  He can run faster and jump higher than anyone in the NEWMAC.  He also has a better court sense on defense and passing the ball than most big men I have seen in the NEWMAC.  He is one of the few players I have seen in DIII (especially in the NEWMAC), who can change the complexion of an entire game with just his rebounding and defense (he gets most of his offense of put-backs and dunks).  For example, last season against Babson in the first round of the conference tourney: It was his first game back after breaking his thumb and he and MIT were playing absolutely awful for most of the game until the last 10 minutes when Soumare had 5 blocks and something like 10 boards and MIT won relatively easily.  Not to mention the next game against CGA when he shutdown Craig Johnson who had scored 32 the previous game when Soumare was out (in addition to the most ridiculous play I saw all season when Soumare stole the ball at the opposing free-throw line, outran CGA's entire team dribbling down the court and dunked 2-handed from outside the lane over one of CGAs players).   

You may say he isnt a true basketball player, but there is no way you wouldn't want him on your team.

And who cares about trashtalking, that is just part of the game now, you'll find that at any level from high school to the NBA.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: clarkie on June 06, 2006, 12:15:23 pm
No I am not talking about taking charges thank you very much, I'm not a basketball fool. At a game I watched between MIT and Clark, Soumare literally slide tackled one of Clark's players right in front of the scorers table. Coach Anderson had to take him out and remind him that he was playing basketball, not soccer. And yes trash talk is trash talk, but after watching and playing basketball in high school and college and having season tickets to an NBA team my whole life, Soumare trash talks like Ben Wallace. He too has to remember that though an extremely good athlete, he is also a student and is representing his school. Many left that game with poor feelings towards MIT, because of the trashy style of play of Soumare. MIT has a great coaching staff and some nice kids that have talent, but Soumare needs to tone it down and prove that he is indeed a great basketball player.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: hugenerd on June 06, 2006, 02:47:27 pm
First off, I as well played high school and college basketball and I was actually a part of the coaching staff you spoke of highly (although I am no longer a part of it because I am focusing on my studies) and I appreciate the kind words.  I haven't seen Soumare do that, but I will admit that I was not at the first Clark-MIT game last year because of academic commitments (so if that is when you were talking about, you are entitled to your opinion and I cannot say anything because I was not at that game). However, I would not go so far as to say that his style of play is "trashy".  He plays extremely hard and I am sure that, like anyone, he can get carried away sometimes.  In the 25 games I watched him play last year I can not remember a time when he was completely out of line.  Anyway, I didn't mean to start any hostilities, I was just trying to defend the team.  Good luck next season and I am sure all these arguments will settle themselves on the court next year.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 06, 2006, 03:33:19 pm

Wow lots of animosity in the NE region today.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 19, 2006, 11:18:58 am

Have we gotten word on the NEWMAC's response to the alleged Gordon petition for membership?
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: clarkie on June 29, 2006, 03:25:58 pm
Has anyone heard anything about the Clark job? I keep checking the papers and the Clark athletic web site and no updates...I thought there was supposed to be a hire by the beginning of next week? I am getting antsy.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 30, 2006, 12:50:22 am
Answer:

http://www.d3hoops.com/notables.php?item=736
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 30, 2006, 08:52:33 am

Well, there you go.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: clarkie on July 01, 2006, 10:01:03 am
I think that this may be a great move for Clark. Coach Phillips knows Division III basketball, something that I think Mo Cassara missed. Lets go cougars!
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Clark Basketball on September 29, 2006, 04:11:38 pm
any preseason polls for the newmac....anyone want to predict the standings....the cougars I think will take a step forward with Phillips back at the helm!!!
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: heythere on October 31, 2006, 04:59:48 pm
Here is my predections this year

1.wpi- coleman and cain are to much, lots of talent on this team and experience

2. mit- lost dauria, which will hurt alot

3. coast guard

4.clark- phillips is back

5. wheaton- lost kelly, who will replace him

6. Springfield

7. Babson
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 31, 2006, 05:09:46 pm

I'd put coast guard over MIT, maybe even at the top.  The NEWMAC is always tight; we'll see how things play out in conference.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: heythere on November 08, 2006, 07:38:41 pm
ryan cain 1st team all american, wow thats a reach. he is a very very good player but not in the top 5 in all of d3, maybe in new england
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 09, 2006, 09:15:27 am

D3hoops.com needs one guy on the first team every year who ends up falling off the all-america list altogether by the end of the season.  It's sort of a tradition, at least for the last couple of years.




(Yes, Pat.  I know you do your best.)
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Gfarls8010 on November 16, 2006, 07:28:47 pm
what about springfield there has been no talk about them what do u think they will do this year?  they still have Pizzo and Farley.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: All-around on November 20, 2006, 04:38:00 pm
I think that WPI's best player infact is not R. Cain but is Antoine Coleman. Look out for him this year.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Gfarls8010 on November 20, 2006, 09:47:36 pm
Everybody already knew who he was so its not like hes going to surprise everyone in the newmac, he was a very good player last year probably one of the top players in the league, you are saying as if no one knew who he was.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: All-around on November 20, 2006, 10:33:56 pm
No I was saying that because Ryan Cain was a pre-season all american.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 21, 2006, 09:18:01 am

Cain will be the pre-season first teamer who gets shut out at the end of the season.  It's becoming a d3hoops.com tradition.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 25, 2006, 11:19:38 am
I heard you the first time. You probably don't need to keep repeating it.

I didn't see your preseason All-American team where you do better.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Gfarls8010 on November 27, 2006, 10:14:35 am
Pat i have a question for you becuase i respect our opinion seriously, what do u think about springfield college? i know there youn but i think they could do damage especially with pizzo and farley?

your thoughts
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: All-around on November 27, 2006, 03:48:24 pm
WPI goes down to Salem. Makes you wonder about them this year. Does anyone know who they lost form last year, because I thought they were actually getting more talent with Kirkland coming in, and it doesn't seem like they are as good as last yr.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 29, 2006, 02:32:10 am
Pat i have a question for you becuase i respect our opinion seriously, what do u think about springfield college? i know there youn but i think they could do damage especially with pizzo and farley?

your thoughts

I haven't seen them personally play -- ever -- but when I was there for football two weeks ago the subject of basketball did come up and it was suggested that the team as a team might be better this year despite losing Yvon.

I can say from experience that if that were to happen, it would be far from the first time.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: cheeks14 on December 01, 2006, 04:32:44 pm
After watching a very impressive win by WPI against Elms I think that the loss against Salem State was a fluke.  Don't get me wrong I think Salem State is a good basketball team but WPI did not play to their capabilities.  WPI is showing a new look this year with a very good front line lead by Antoine Coleman and Ryan Bourque to go along with the sharp-shooting of Ryan Cain and the quickness of Jerome Kirkland.  Once this team pulls it together they should run away with the Newmac.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: wildgoose on December 07, 2006, 09:35:03 am
Springfield finally got a big win  beating trinty, they have a few new freshman getting there legs under them and Brock is doing his usual thing of playing everybody early. Look for them to get better and make a few surprises during the season
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: old_lion on December 07, 2006, 11:41:25 am
Babson fans,

Can anyone tell me what happened to David Votta?

Is he playing somewhere else?

Thanks.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 08, 2006, 04:25:00 am

Cain will be the pre-season first teamer who gets shut out at the end of the season.  It's becoming a d3hoops.com tradition.

Perhaps our preseason picks were for the long haul rather than the opening weekend.


                                       |---TOTAL---| |---3-PTS---|               |----REBOUNDS----|
Player    GP-GS  Min--Avg  FG-FGA   Pct 3FG-FGA   Pct  FT-FTA   Pct  Off Def  Tot  Avg   A  TO Blk Stl  Pts  Avg
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Ryan Cain  7-7   243 34.7  44-89   .494  12-35   .343  46-55   .836    8  17   25  3.6  18  12   2  12  146 20.9
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: gullfan on December 08, 2006, 08:18:56 am
 Scroll up the page and see what "all-around" has to say about Cain and Coleman. He's right on it. I was at the WPI/EC game last night. Coleman shot the effing lights out. Corbett, a 6'5" 200+ pounder shut Cain down for the first part of the game. For some reason, Endicott changed their defense (mainly because Coleman was electric from outside, then Cain started to move.
 Cain had the quietest 30 points I've seen in a while. He didn't add much in the first half and got garbage points and foul shots (courtesy of A LOT of "reputation calls" from a horrible reffing crew). He didn't impress me as anybody's candidate for All-America. He was the third best guy on the floor for WPI.
 He's good, but let's lightne up a little here.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 08, 2006, 09:12:10 am

C'mon Pat, you know I'm just messing around.  You get so many things right, I have to bring it up when you make a hmmm, let's call it "bold" move.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: cheeks14 on December 08, 2006, 05:30:36 pm
it doesn't matter who WPI's best player is.....with Coleman and Cain they have two players that can both light it up on any night.  Coleman can pretty much do it all and Cain is starting to find his shot and is going the basket a lot more recently which has resulted in getting to the line where he has been automatic the past few years.  They are a very difficult team to cover because if you try to take one of them out of the picture then the other one is gonna have a big night.  Cain is starting to prove you doubters wrong and starting to show Pat that his preseason all-americans might have been accurate after all.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: d3bballinboston on December 08, 2006, 07:39:58 pm
wow coast guard lost ot CCC cellar dweller Wentworth
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 11, 2006, 09:26:35 am

Wentworth is a little better than cellar dweller and their sophomore point guard actually showed up for the first time this year, so they had some help.


I'm not sure how they overcame the height difference, but a good win for the CCC.  While Coast Guard should be disappointed in themselves, they can probably avoid total humiliation.  WIT is improved over last year.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: old_lion on December 11, 2006, 02:12:30 pm
Little help here guys ...

Doesn't anyone know what happened to David Votta?
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 11, 2006, 02:34:50 pm

I actually checked the other day and I couldn't find anyone who knew what happened to him.  Granted, my connections around the NEWMAC are a little thin, but my best guess is that he's not playing anywhere this year.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: old_lion on December 11, 2006, 03:20:06 pm

I actually checked the other day and I couldn't find anyone who knew what happened to him.  Granted, my connections around the NEWMAC are a little thin, but my best guess is that he's not playing anywhere this year.

OK, thanks ...
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: old_lion on December 12, 2006, 10:30:51 am
Votta got cut from the babson team he came in overwieght and out of shape and i also heard he had a bad attitude. My highschool coache used to coach at Babson so that is a good and accrurate source.

So, he is still at Babson, just not playing? What a waste, didn't he have a decent season last year?

Thanks for the info.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: heythere on December 12, 2006, 08:25:17 pm
what happen to mit big guy Billy Johnson, he was very tough a 6'8 wing man at this level is very hard to find anyone have info on this. without him mit will find it tough to contend for the title
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 13, 2006, 08:59:36 am

Johnson's still on the roster, but he hasn't played a minute since the Endicott game.  I assume he's hurt.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: hugenerd on December 14, 2006, 02:03:02 pm
He has been at every game sitting on the bench...with a cast on.  I heard he has a stress fracture in his leg.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: ramz on December 21, 2006, 04:41:06 pm
Votta got cut from the babson team he came in overwieght and out of shape and i also heard he had a bad attitude. My highschool coache used to coach at Babson so that is a good and accrurate source.
Your source is wrong. He was the strongest guard on the team in preseason. Despite injuries to knees and feet, and missing the 1st week, dominated the starting PG in practice. With above mentioned injuries, was cut before the 1st scrimmage (after 5 days)  because Babson coach decided to bring in transfers and freshmen and go in different direction. Would not have looked too good to see him do well. None have stepped up.
Fact is, he was not recruited to Babson, he went there for academics. The coach there is playing his "boys" as he has relationships with the HS coaches in MA. Look at last  years stats in the turnover category. Both played the same minutes, yet current PG had double the TO's. (44 vs. 110!)
This year, without Votta to bail him out, he is at 41 TOs in 8 games--on pace for 135 TO's.
Bad attitude? No, tired of double standard as certain players can miss practice and have GPA's under 2.0 yet they can run the show.
Brennan is on the hot seat with a new AD on board, and hopefully changes will be made. Votta is not the fastest or quickest, but ask Sean Kelly who was one of his toughest opponents. I obviously have a vested interest, but hate to see comments from 3rd or 4th parties without all the facts.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 22, 2006, 01:23:34 pm
I'm not a big fan of spin doctors with an axe to grind either. :)
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: All-around on December 22, 2006, 06:46:05 pm
Im with you Pat. Sounds like a palyer, or parent of a players. Anyways MIT also lost another big guy from last year with a last name Soumare or something like that. I big African kid with a lot of potential, anyone know what happened to him?
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: ramz on December 22, 2006, 11:06:03 pm
Pat, I responded to someone who said he heard from a "good source" once removed that a player was overweight, out of shape and had a bad attitude. If that is not true, why is it an axe to grind? I did not start the conversation, but I guess you would rather hear from someone who knows someone who knows someone else! BTW, this NEWMAC board is so lame and quiet compared to others you should want more people posting ! ;)
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: ramz on December 22, 2006, 11:30:55 pm
Change of pace...Has there ever been thoughts of NEWMAC teams playing against another NE conference ala Big10/SEC challenge? I realize the schools already play each other throughout the season, but maybe a triple header(have to leave 1 team out each year) in a central or rotating venue could be exciting, and draw some crowds that do not normally go to games.(alumni with kids, etc.) Too much planning to pull this off?
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 23, 2006, 02:16:14 am
The coach there is playing his "boys" as he has relationships with the HS coaches in MA.
...
Bad attitude? No, tired of double standard as certain players can miss practice and have GPA's under 2.0 yet they can run the show.
...
Brennan is on the hot seat with a new AD on board, and hopefully changes will be made.
...
I obviously have a vested interest, but hate to see comments from 3rd or 4th parties without all the facts.

Yet you seem to be interested in making third party comments of your own. That was why I called you on it.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: ramz on December 23, 2006, 10:15:14 am
TRUCE!!! I am close to the situation, and obviously frustrated by it; sometimes typing finger(s) lets off too much steam...
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: 10d310 on December 23, 2006, 07:09:50 pm
i think it's time I come on the board and set things straight...this is David Votta....i don't read these things much anymore but I heard that I was the topic of conversation so I thought I'd set things straight....first off the comment about me being fat and overweight by Damien Farley (yes that's who wrote it) is kinda from left field....his high school source TC the coach at Natick High keeps in touch with Brennan and that's what Steve probally said about me when he asked....I'm not going to sit here and argue that I should be playing or not....but I will say that I love my ex teamates and would do anything to be out there with them...that team meant a lot and still means a lot to me so to say I have a bad attitude towards them kinda hurts...coach Brennen brought in a new point gaurd transfer and was never dropping Norm de Silva so that was that....there wasn't room for me anymore....I came to Babson based on playing for Coach Brennan because I respected the way he handled his program, but I think he's lost touch with his players....i know the team very well and that's a close nit group of guys...they would do anything to win for each other, but they don't feel that way about him...i couldn't really say why because he's a pretty good guy, but I guess people repect loyalty a lot more than he realizes....they have one of the best young basketball minds there as an ast coach, Mike Smiley, who is just going to waste with the way Steve is running things...on top of that all the philosophys of the coaching staff but heads...Gagnon is teaching things like it's still the 70s...the game has changed a lot, but Smiley is stuck to just go along with the flow...it can get confusting for the players though...especially our freshmen last year...hopefully Smiley will find his way out of there and get the opportunity he deserves....as for Steve I think he is on the hot seat there with the new AD he talked about it a lot, but hopefully he'll realize that he's got some talent, some tough kids, and some heart on that team....but if doesn't have there repect they'll continue to underachieve like we did the past few years....hope this clears things up....i'm not closed to never playing again, just looking for a place that needs a transfer point gaurd
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: atn alum on December 24, 2006, 11:27:23 pm
In reply to a previous message...I asked the MIT folks this during a volleyball season...Soumare is on an academic exchange program (forget with whom) for the year...
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: dfarley25 on December 26, 2006, 01:46:11 am
i enjoyed that post by David Votta...however...the person that posted that information about him getting cut was actually indeed my brother Griffin Farley a current member and junior on the Natick High School basketball team whose coach is Tim Collins, a former asst. coach at Babson...this is infact Damian Farley speaking, Votta and myself have cleared up any mis-communication there may have been via thefacebook...anyway this will be my first and last post...HAPPY HOLIDAYS TO ONE AND ALL!
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: hugenerd on December 31, 2006, 12:21:06 pm
Im with you Pat. Sounds like a palyer, or parent of a players. Anyways MIT also lost another big guy from last year with a last name Soumare or something like that. I big African kid with a lot of potential, anyone know what happened to him?

Dou Soumare is not on the roster this year, but should be on it next year.  I believe he is on a study abroad program.  MIT also lost another big man this year, Adam Juneau, who would have been a sophomore but decided to take a year off.  With the injury to Billy Johnson, who doesnt play like a big man anyway, they have only one post player, who is a freshman, Eric Bracht.  Bracht is putting up big numbers, but there is little chance they will achieve what they did last year without some depth in the middle (which Soumare and Juneau would have provided).  It has to be tough to coach at a school where you have some talent, but guys dont play for whatever reason.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: hugenerd on December 31, 2006, 12:24:46 pm
In reply to a previous message...I asked the MIT folks this during a volleyball season...Soumare is on an academic exchange program (forget with whom) for the year...

UK
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: hugenerd on January 10, 2007, 01:12:17 am
Not that anyone really cares, but I attended the MIT-Babson game this evening and was astonished by what I saw.  This had nothing to do with the game but rather the respective benches- Babson had 10 guys suited up ready to sub in while MIT had 3 (which really may have been 2 because one player didnt play and may have been injured).  This wouldnt be THAT shocking if MIT had started the season with maybe 8 or 9 players (a couple are bound to get injured) but, with their returning guys the should have had 14 (there are only 12 on the roster and the reason will be made clear soon).  In addition to that, two of the guys playing significant minutes now didnt play at all in the first couple of games (which was not due to injury).  So, in fact, Coach Anderson has only 5 of the guys he thought would be contributing significantly to the team playing in this game.  Now starting at 14, here is how the team siphoned down to where it is now:

Preseason: Two returning big men (would be soph and junior) who played significant minutes last year decide to take the year off (one to study abroad, the other without reason)

Injuries:
Billy Johnson- stress fracture
Bradley Gampel - knee injury
plus 1-2 more guys who didnt play as much (at least one, but I am not sure about the other)

And, finally, my personal favorite:
A player who was the sixth man on the team took a whole month off (10 games), to do an internship.


So in all they have lost their likely two starting big men (preseason), their back-up small forward (Johnson) and starting point guard (Gampel) to injury, as well as their sixth man (Mroz). 5 of their top 7 players. The only players who I think would have started who played tonight are the returning NEWMAC Newcomer of the year, Bartollota, and possibly Alex Krull.

I honestly dont know how they practice with 7-8 players, coaches must jump in or something. It must be pretty tough.  I am sure other teams around the country or in the past have had the same amount, or fewer, players but the way in which they keep losing guys is what really hurts. 

To sum this all up, I wasnt trying to put down the MIT team at all,  I am very much a fan.  The purpose of the message was more to congratulate Coach Anderson on still doing a wonderful job in preparing his players and still competing despite all the defections.  I kind of wonder what might of been if they had everyone this year. Luckily, the only senior I mentioned in that group is Krull, so they should give WPI a good run at it next year (that is if they same thing doesnt happen again).
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: atn alum on January 11, 2007, 01:33:47 pm
and for those who follow MIT (or others), tune in to their game against coast guard at 7 ET tonight on sportsjuice.com

Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: hugenerd on January 11, 2007, 11:20:34 pm
MIT got it done with the 7 players I mentioned in my previous message.  Huge night for Alex Krull, scoring a career high 31 points. 3 guys for MIT played 40 minutes (and conference points leader Bartollotta was night one of them).

I wonder what is going on with CGA, they return pretty much everyone from a team that finished 3rd in the conference last year.  They have already lost 5 games through 13 this year, whereas last year they had not lost 5 games until they had played 19.  The team looks to be regressing rather than progressing.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: cheeks14 on January 15, 2007, 01:51:12 pm
well i heard Craig Johnson wasn't playing for CGA this year and he was huge for them in the middle last year.  From the looks of it Prebeck and Sowers are having another good season but Johnson might have been too much to lose. 

Also, I went to the WPI @ Clark game the other day and I wasn't very impressed with Clark.  I don't know how they beat Coast Guard in 2 OT because they just didn't seem that good.  WPI looked very solid and early on it seems like they will run away with this conference.  Ryan Cain is putting up huge numbers lately and I don't think anyone will challenge them this year. 
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: hugenerd on January 16, 2007, 02:01:35 am
well i heard Craig Johnson wasn't playing for CGA this year and he was huge for them in the middle last year.  From the looks of it Prebeck and Sowers are having another good season but Johnson might have been too much to lose. 

Also, I went to the WPI @ Clark game the other day and I wasn't very impressed with Clark.  I don't know how they beat Coast Guard in 2 OT because they just didn't seem that good.  WPI looked very solid and early on it seems like they will run away with this conference.  Ryan Cain is putting up huge numbers lately and I don't think anyone will challenge them this year. 

I had looked at the boxscores and seen the name "Johnson", turns out that it was Grant not Craig.  I guess that explains part of their struggles.  I still think they should be doing better than they are.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: clarkie on January 16, 2007, 02:19:44 am
Remember, it is a rebuilding year for Clark...Cassara left mid-recruiting and they lost two scoring forces (Dutille and Szklarz). They also only have one senior.

Though I was not at the WPI game, I was at the Coast Guard game and they won because of solid coaching, a game they certainly would not be in if Cassara was still at the helm.

Will Clark win the NEWMAC this year? Probably not. But will they be a team that all other teams in the conference know they cannot look over and prepare for? Absolutely.

Lets go Cougars!
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: mattapn02126 on January 20, 2007, 05:55:48 pm
Babson wins at home vs. MIT to improve to 4-1 in the NEWMAC. Anyone think they can make a run?
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: cheeks14 on January 24, 2007, 09:18:25 pm
I think Babson will run away with second place in the NEWMAC.  As far as having a chance to beat WPI, I can't really see WPI losing a game the rest of the season.  They are playing really well and they are a very well balanced team.  They have a very solid inside outside game going and they are on a long winning streak.  WPI could and should go undefeated for the first time in NEWMAC history which is really a big accomplishment but they are just a step above every other team in the league at the moment. 
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 24, 2007, 11:02:59 pm
Cain -- 8-for-13, 4-for-6, 2-for-2. 22 points, seven rebounds.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 25, 2007, 08:58:06 am
Cain -- 8-for-13, 4-for-6, 2-for-2. 22 points, seven rebounds.


Yeah, yeah.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: wildgoose on January 25, 2007, 11:50:22 am
I think Babson will run away with second place in the NEWMAC.  As far as having a chance to beat WPI, I can't really see WPI losing a game the rest of the season.  They are playing really well and they are a very well balanced team.  They have a very solid inside outside game going and they are on a long winning streak.  WPI could and should go undefeated for the first time in NEWMAC history which is really a big accomplishment but they are just a step above every other team in the league at the moment. 

AT BABSON

Springfield 64
Babson 58

I dont think Babson will make any kind of Run .  WPI is a entire step above everyone - they are a excelllent defensive team
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: hugenerd on January 28, 2007, 12:16:48 am
Big day for MIT and Bartollotta .  Alex Krull had 27 points while Jimmy Bartollotta had 26, 10 and 8.  Both played 40 minutes in the win vs. newbury. 

MIT can get to over .500 in conference if they can pick up a couple of wins vs. Wheaton and Coast Guard this week.

They still only have 7 active players (this is the 7th game in a row, dating back to Jan. 9).  They are 4-3 over that span (3-3 NEWMAC). In my opinion, Coach Anderson is doing an even a better job than he did last year-- when he won NEWMAC coach of the year.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: clarkie on January 29, 2007, 12:04:49 am
I just wanted to share this article about the poor Clark Cougars woes this season in NEWMAC play. Despite a 6 game skid, Paul Phillips captures what basketball is all about in my opinion in this article in The Worcester Telegram and Gazette :http://www.telegram.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070128/NEWS/701280613/1009/SPORTS (http://www.telegram.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070128/NEWS/701280613/1009/SPORTS)

Clark is playing with conviction and passion again and with some added depth (hopefully size though Normandin is really playing BIG in more ways than one) and as the team matures they will be once again be a force in the NEWMAC in the years to come.

Boys, you are making me a proud alum!
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: mattapn02126 on January 31, 2007, 12:50:21 pm
Real nice win for Babson over Tufts last night...
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: mattapn02126 on February 03, 2007, 07:53:10 pm
Babson by 10 over WPI. The Beavers are now 6-2 in the NEWMAC, and they have some real nice momemtum going.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: 10d310 on February 06, 2007, 01:49:56 am
huge win for babson against WPI...they finally seem to be making some sense and only giving minutes to the top players rather than playing ever person possible...Kyle McDonald has been running the show and had another huge game 19 and 7 boards....WPI is a good team but they  have huge soft spots and can't handle a double teams...babson didn't let them run there offense, cain faded away like "all-americans" do, and WPI's coach (sidenote: he consistly runs illegal practice type pickup games all year long and is a real shady character) lost his cool on a babson player and the fans...they probally still are the best Newmac team, but if Newmac teams watch this game tape there are huge holes in there defense and they can't handle a double team in the post if there life depended on it....It'll be interesting to see them rebound from this loss
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: 10d310 on February 06, 2007, 01:55:06 am
also on another note WPI is 17-2, but they have played some crap teams outside the Newmac...there top two wins are Bridgewater State and Elms college.....i think Bridgewater is a pretty tough team, but WPI plays nobody.....u gotta give it to Babson for the schedule they play
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 06, 2007, 08:57:47 am

Babson has played a tougher schedule, but they're not quite up to WPI's level just yet.

I looked down their respective schedules and it seems to me that if they switched schedules, they'd both have about 4-5 losses right now.


I don't think WPI is as good as people keep saying they are, but they're certainly still the class of this conference.

Although hats off to Babson for getting the W.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: hugenerd on February 07, 2007, 09:03:01 pm
MIT upsets Springfield.  Jimmy B. nearly records a triple double, again, with 25, 9, and 8. MIT is a surprising 5-5 in conference with two games to play.  They are in good position to host a first round newmac game.  Great job by coach anderson this year.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: smarshall on February 07, 2007, 10:17:21 pm
Hey first tiem in the Newmac room.

I agree it was a good win for MIT.  I normally don't attend NEWMAC games, being a NESCAC guy, but I wanted to see SC play.  The guard for MIT was good but the best player on the floor was the Bracht kid for MIT.  Both teams played extremely hard though.  After I left I had to remind myself it wasnt a home game for MIT because everytime a SC player looked at #25 on MIT wrong he seemed to go to the free throw.  The Bracht kid was good though.

About the previous comments, I agree about WPI schelude.  Just by looking at box scores they do seem to be above the rest of the league but not by much.  They play nobody.  Its seems like they coast into conference play, while teams like SC, Babson, and Wheaton seem tired.

SC and Babson play a lot tougher scheludes.  I was amazed to see some of the teams on both their scheldues.  (Teams like Amherst, Trinity, Rhode Island College, Keene State, Williams, Bridgewater State, Lasell, Brandies)

SC has played 6 of the top 10 teams in NE, and 7 of 12.  Including a win against Trinity (a supposed Sleeper in the tourney)
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: hugenerd on February 07, 2007, 11:14:10 pm

I agree it was a good win for MIT.  I normally don't attend NEWMAC games, being a NESCAC guy, but I wanted to see SC play.  The guard for MIT was good but the best player on the floor was the Bracht kid for MIT.  Both teams played extremely hard though.  After I left I had to remind myself it wasnt a home game for MIT because everytime a SC player looked at #25 on MIT wrong he seemed to go to the free throw.  The Bracht kid was good though.

I disagree.  Bracht is a solid player but he isnt as good as Jimmy Bartolotta.  #25 is by far the best player on MIT and one of the best players in the conference (I would argue he is the best, but I know Ryan Cain is going to get player of the year even though he doesnt do as much for his team defensively- and by defensively I mean in terms of rebounds, steals, and blocks).  Bartolotta is ranked in the top 7 in eight of nine statistical categories the NEWMAC reports (as of Feb 4) and is in the top 4 in six of those eight categories (2nd in ppg, 4th in assists, 7th in steals, 3rd in rebounds, 3rd in 3pt fg%, 7th in 3pt fg per game, 1st in FT%, and 3rd in blocks: http://www.newmaconline.com/sports/basketball_m/stats.php?reports/basketball_m/9).  He is also a sophomore.  In addition, the team is missing 3 starters from earlier in the season and 5 major contributors from last years team (who they did not lose to graduation).  If you take Bartolotta off that team they win 3 games or less this year.  There is no player in this conference that means more to his team than #25 on MIT.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 08, 2007, 02:05:13 am
Some pretty serious allegiations there, 10d310. I assume you have some proof that you are about to share with us? Otherwise you are out of line with the Terms of Service.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: smarshall on February 08, 2007, 11:35:15 am
Cain will win player of the year because he's the best player on the best team in the conference and he is better than Jimmy B.

Ive only seen him play once and he was their best player, but not conf poy.

Other people in the confernce could put up tons of numbers if they played 40 minutes on a very medicore team
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: hugenerd on February 08, 2007, 12:18:57 pm
Cain will win player of the year because he's the best player on the best team in the conference and he is better than Jimmy B.

Ive only seen him play once and he was their best player, but not conf poy.

Other people in the confernce could put up tons of numbers if they played 40 minutes on a very medicore team

We can disagree on this one.  In my opinion, it is easier to put up numbers when you have people around you that are a big threat because teams have to play you one on one and your teammates can also set you up (as is the case with Cain and WPI).  I know that you also have to share the ball more in this case, but there is a balance and I think Cain's circumstance helps him out alot.

Obviously WPI is the best team in the conference and Cain may be their best player, but I guess it depends on what your definition of player of the year is.  Last year Mike Dauria won the award and he was on the team that finished second in the conference (MIT) and he did alot of the things Jimmy B is doing this year, but he also had alot more support.

One other point that I have to make is that Cain actually averages more minutes per game than Bartolotta (36.6 vs. 36.1).  It isnt a big difference, but the playing time argument does not apply here.  And, like I said in an earlier post, Bartolotta puts up stats on both sides of the ball, not just on offense.  He also has to deal with alot more attention from the opposing team because he is the primary threat on his team.

These are just my thoughts and by no means is Cain a bad choice as POY or less deserving.  That said, when i think of a player of the year, I think of someone who is the most complete player and helps his team the most.  If you take Cain away from WPI, I am sure someone else would step in for him and do a decent job (he may not do as good a job, but the team would not fall apart).  I dont think you could say the same thing for Bartolotta and MIT.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 08, 2007, 01:40:28 pm
from what I have heard he ...

OK, well, I kinda warned you about the hearsay thing, right?
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: boknows on February 09, 2007, 11:57:07 am
10d310 isn't out of line.  he's right on the shady character part.  tip of the iceberg he's touching.  how do I give him karma?   

i'd like so see someone from the newmac beat amherst or williams...
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: boknows on February 09, 2007, 11:59:27 am
lol... oh man, nevermind.   


the newmac should get some more teams in their conference, they don't have enough in my opinion. 
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 09, 2007, 01:17:21 pm

This is not going to end well.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: hugenerd on February 09, 2007, 05:22:25 pm
10d310 isn't out of line.  he's right on the shady character part.  tip of the iceberg he's touching.  how do I give him karma?   

i'd like so see someone from the newmac beat amherst or williams...

To give karma you would have to make about 200 more posts to reach starter status.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: clarkie on February 09, 2007, 06:35:49 pm
Seven is a nice number...every team gets to play each team twice and it rewards the regular season champion with a first round tournament bye...it allows team to avenge close losses and allows late blooming teams to bloom in front of their conference peers.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: cheeks14 on February 10, 2007, 05:48:31 pm
Looks like WPI should clinch home court for the NEWMAC tourney if they can win 1 more game.  WPI has been very tough to beat at home over the past 3 seasons and this will be the 3rd straight year hosting it if they can win 1 more. 
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: 10d310 on February 11, 2007, 03:13:11 pm
look if you don't like what I have to say just go ahead and post your arguement to what I said....prove me wrong...the entire point for the message board....I can name a person who was at that exact pickup game and shared that story with me....i'm not throwing any people under the bus and getting them involved for a message board...i'm not saying this from nowhere....i'm an ex babson player....i'm from atlanta....it's not like i have anything against the guy...i'm just sharing....and by the way this years clarke team is just awful...i've watched lots of tape of the old clarke teams and this team looks nothing like it.....they don't seem to have one real solid go to player....it's too bad b/c those babson/clarke games from 3-5 years ago were some great games to watch...
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 11, 2007, 03:41:27 pm
Actually, no -- the Terms of Service set the rules, not you.

And Clarke is the school in Iowa. The school in this conference is Clark.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: hugenerd on February 11, 2007, 07:13:59 pm
For those of you keeping score at home:

Pat - 2
10d310 - 0
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 12, 2007, 08:58:08 am

Pat - 15,863
10d310 - 4

That's a little more like it.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: hugenerd on February 12, 2007, 11:10:50 am
I was just talking about the previous post, not the cumulative score.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: 10d310 on February 12, 2007, 11:17:08 am
how does my last post get me another (-) karma....obiviously I can prove what I said is a true statement....how do you want me to do it....and just so we can get off this stupid topic I have a question for the board....what happend to Clarks ( ;D) gaurd DJ Brinn?....he started for them as a freshmen if I'm not mistaken and they have gotten worse but he has lost all his mins....he was a pretty solid player for them when they had some talent
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: hugenerd on February 12, 2007, 01:33:00 pm
NEWMAC stats updated through games yesterday:

Player of the year candidates (feel free to add others):

Cain (WPI):
Points - 2nd (20.1)
Assists- 10th (2.6)
FG% - 7th (0.512)
Steals - NR (1.29)
Rebounds - NR (4.1)
3P FG% - 2nd (0.417)
3P FG PG- 4th (2.1)
FT% - 3rd (0.836)
Blocks - NR (0.19)

Bartolotta (MIT)
Scoring - 1st (20.3)
Assists - 3rd (4.3)
FG% - NR (0.470)
Steals - 7th (1.7)
Rebounds - 3rd (7.8 )
3P FG% - 3rd (0.400)
3P FG PG - 7th (1.7)
FT% - 1st (0.870)
Blocks - 3rd (1.0)

Bartolotta is ranked top 3 in 6 categories (and ranked in 8 categories overall) and Cain is ranked top 3 in 3 categories (and ranked in 6 categories overall).


Freshman of the year Candidates:

Bracht (MIT)
Scoring- 9th (12.8 )
Assists- NR
FG% - 1st (0.634)
Steals - NR
Rebounds - 2nd (9.1)
3PFG% & 3PFG PG - NR
FT% - NR
Blocks - 6th (0.8 )

I couldnt find any other freshman ranked (top 10) in more than 2 categories (feel free to add your own candidates).

Those ranked in 2:
Mark Alexander (Clark) - Points 8th (13.2); 3P FG% 7th (0.354)
Pat Crean (Springfield) - Rebounds 13th (5.0); Blocks 9th (0.6)


Coach of the Year-  I would give the edge to Babson's Coach.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 12, 2007, 01:56:24 pm
how does my last post get me another (-) karma....obiviously I can prove what I said is a true statement....how do you want me to do it...

You can prove that your rules go on this board and not the Terms of Service? Impressive. :)
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 12, 2007, 02:10:54 pm

Shouldn't you just delete the inflammatory posts, Pat?  Isn't that the measure of redress laid out in the TOS?


By the way, 10d310, you can't say it without published proof, according to the TOS.  Maybe you can get the student newspaper to do an expose or something.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: hugenerd on February 12, 2007, 02:36:30 pm

Shouldn't you just delete the inflammatory posts, Pat?  Isn't that the measure of redress laid out in the TOS?


By the way, 10d310, you can't say it without published proof, according to the TOS.  Maybe you can get the student newspaper to do an expose or something.

They were already deleted.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 12, 2007, 02:44:14 pm

Shouldn't you just delete the inflammatory posts, Pat?  Isn't that the measure of redress laid out in the TOS?


By the way, 10d310, you can't say it without published proof, according to the TOS.  Maybe you can get the student newspaper to do an expose or something.

They were already deleted.

Right-o.  I didn't scroll far enough and mistook his first excuse for the actual offense.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: clarkie on February 12, 2007, 05:23:35 pm
I'm a bit confused as to how I got negative karma points as I have never said anything unwarrented...

With that said DJ Brinn now has to share time with the other 9 or so guards on Clark's roster. It seems that Clark was riding the Tim Dutille train for one stop too many as it has been difficult for them to rebound without him and has more than enough guards and small forwards for a few teams in the conference to share.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 12, 2007, 05:38:58 pm

Don't try to understand karma; karma is beyond all of us.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: boknows on February 13, 2007, 03:33:18 pm
For those of you keeping score at home:

Pat - 2
10d310 - 0

OH SNAP!   Cold blooded! 

can someone hook me up with some karma??  I played in a game last night where I dove on the floor.  that at least deserves some karma or a tommy point.  Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: boknows on February 13, 2007, 03:37:35 pm
I'd also like to mention that Pat Coleman is doing a great job with this site. 

(hook me up with some Karma! ) 



DO IT!   i'll admit though, clark sucks this year and phillips is still working the refs like textile workers in lowell to try to get charge calls out of the refs where his players clearly flop like manu ginobli.  some things never change. 
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: smarshall on February 14, 2007, 11:44:53 am
Looks like WPI will be hosting the newmac tourney again.

Only people I see upseting them would be babson or springfield.  Both being long shots.

any thoughts on the all conference teams?
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: hugenerd on February 14, 2007, 11:49:34 am
Jimmy Bartolotta had a pretty good night for MIT last night as they beat Lasell-  27 points, 21 rebounds, 6 assists, 3 blocks, and 2 steals.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: hugenerd on February 14, 2007, 12:05:22 pm
Looks like WPI will be hosting the newmac tourney again.

Only people I see upseting them would be babson or springfield.  Both being long shots.

any thoughts on the all conference teams?

Here are my guesses:

Coach of the Year: Brennan (Babson)

POY: Cain (WPI) or Bartolotta (MIT) - I think Cain will get it because his team has a better record, but looking at the body of work, I think Bartolotta deserves it more (he outproduces Cain in nearly every category and can put up numbers like 27 pts, 21 rebs, 6 ass, 3 bl, 2 stl).

FOY: Bracht (MIT)

1st team:
Guard: Cain (WPI)
Guard: Zukowski (Wheaton)
Guard/Forward: Etten (Babson)
Forward: Bartolotta (MIT)
Forward/Center: Prebeck (CGA)


2nd:
Guard: Pizzo (SC)
Guard: Sowers (CGA)
Forward: Coleman (WPI)

I think the last two spots are a tossup: Could be Narmindin (Clark), Bracht (MIT), DeGiovanna (Wheaton), Krull (MIT), or Borque (WPI).  I am sure I am missing some candidates but those are my thoughts.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: atn alum on February 14, 2007, 12:29:31 pm
One note is that the NEWMAC waits until its tournament is done to vote on its teams. Last year, Ryan Flynn had a great 2-games in the semis and finals, and I remember thinking that he basically played his way onto first-team selection in those 2 games.

Hugenerd, I think your assessments are good. Taking nothing away from Bartolotta's great season in a tough situation (limited # of players), I'd go with Cain because of team success.

I think Zukowski/Coleman is a toss-up for the last spot on first team, and playoff performance could play a role. I've seen every team in the league at least once...Zukowski got shut down pretty much in the 2 games I saw, but he is a good player. Coleman is capable of monster games and is a difference-maker player, but he's also been shut down a few times.

 I'm not sure who on Springfield will make 2nd team...you could give it to any one of 3-4 guys...prob would go with one of the other scorers over Pizzo, but you could make a case for him too. The list of other contenders for the last couple spots is a good one. I'm leaning DiGiovanna and Krull but could come up with a different pair tomorrow.

I'd be very surprised if we didn't see a WPI-Babson final, but I've been wrong before.

Good to see some chatter going here.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: cheeks14 on February 14, 2007, 03:44:12 pm
I think your picks are pretty accurate except I might have a few changes.

POY- definitely close but I think the fact that Ryan Cain is doing it for the 13th ranked team in the country should help his case a lot.  He has some very good talent surrounding him which makes it more impressive that he is putting up the numbers he is.  His shooting percentage is extremely high for a shooting guard and he has shown the abilty to be unselfish and do whatever it takes for the team to win.  Barlotta has had an extremely good year but MIT's offense runs through him on almost every posession.  He gets far more touches and chances than Cain and is required to do more for his team to be competitive.  I also think Cain is the better defensive player as he has completely shut down some very high scoring players this season.  Tony Barros was 2-15 shooting against WPI and he is an explosive scorer and Bartlotta was shut down the first game and the second game he was held in check till very late in the game when the freshman were in for WPI. 


1ST Team
Cain-WPI
Bartlotta-MIT
Prebeck-Coast Guard
Etten-Babson
Coleman-WPI

The top 3 players are obvious picks based on their numbers.  As mentioned Cain and Bartlotta are having amazing years and Prebeck is putting up monster numbers even though its for the last place team in the conference.  Etten I think has to be on the 1st team because he is the best player on the 2nd best team in the conference and he is also having a very good season.  The last spot was tough but I think it has to go to Coleman.  He has potential to have monster games at any time and he is very versatile.  He can shoot the 3-pointer, drive, dunk, play defense on any positition, and is the most athletic player in the conference.  Zukowski is a better long-distance shooter but I think that Coleman is better at almost everything else.

2ND TEAM
Sowers - CGA
Zukowski - Wheaton
Pizzo - Springfield
Bracht - MIT
Bourque - WPI

Sowers and Zukowski are pretty obvious picks as Zukowski almost made the 1st team and Sowers is putting up very strong numbers.  I have only seen 2 Springfield games but from what I saw Pizzo is their best player and is a very good point guard.  He can score if he needs to but also knows how to distribute the ball.  His ball handling skills are very good and he knows how to break down the other teams guards and get to the rim and finish.  After that it gets tough but I was very impressed with the 2 games I saw Bracht play for MIT.  As only a freshman, he is goign to be a very good player.  It is amazing that MIT is doing as well as they are when I feel their only good players are Bartlotta, Bracht, and Krull.  I think Bracht is one of hte best forwards in the conference and deserves a spot on the 2nd team especially considering his field goal percentage.  The last spot was tough to decide but I think that Bourque for WPI is the only true center in the league.  When he comes into the games he completely changes the other teams shots and he also has the ability to score with post moves or mid-range jump shots.  He is putting up pretty good numbers in limited minutes but I think he has to be on the second team because he is the best actual center in the league and can be a force at times.  No one else in the league can match up with him when he is playing well. 

Krull (MIT) and Normandin (Clark) deserve consideration but I don't think they have enough to make it.  Obviously there is still a few games left to play so this could change but at this time these are my picks.

I would also be VERY surprised if it wasn't Babson and WPI in the finals but I think that WPI has too many weopons that can beat you on any given night especially on their home court.  I predict WPI will win out from here but I think that the Babson game will be very competitive. 

Sorry for the long post but I got really bored.  Let the chatter continue!!



Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: hugenerd on February 14, 2007, 05:14:59 pm
First I would like to say that I agree with everyones picks.  There are a few things I disagree with however.


POY- definitely close but I think the fact that Ryan Cain is doing it for the 13th ranked team in the country should help his case a lot.  He has some very good talent surrounding him which makes it more impressive that he is putting up the numbers he is.  His shooting percentage is extremely high for a shooting guard and he has shown the abilty to be unselfish and do whatever it takes for the team to win.  Barlotta has had an extremely good year but MIT's offense runs through him on almost every posession.  He gets far more touches and chances than Cain and is required to do more for his team to be competitive. 

I think he will get it too.  But you have to consider the other side of the ball.  In the games I have seen, Bartolotta gets alot of defensive attention (double and triple teams sometimes) and Cain gets to do work mainly one on one because of the surrounding talent.

I also think Cain is the better defensive player as he has completely shut down some very high scoring players this season. 

I completely disagreee with this statement.  If you are going to go with the head to head matchup, Cain scored 6 points and had 2 rebounds in 38 minutes against MIT last time (and 10 points and 3 rebounds in the first matchup).   Either way, it is hard to compare because WPI is a much better all around team than MIT, but that doesnt mean that MIT does not have the best player.

If you are going to go with the whole season, let us compare the defensive stats (rebounds, steals, and blocks).  Cain averages 4.1 rebounds, 1.3 steals, and 0.2 blocks. Bartolotta averages 8.3 rebounds, 1.7 steals, and 1.1 blocks.  They both play the same number of minutes (~36).  So that is over twice as many rebounds, 5 and a half times more blocks, and 30% more steals. 

WPI is definitely a better team and if your definition of player of the year is the best player on the best TEAM, then Cain it is.  It is difficult to compare the two players head to head (both Cain and Bartolotta did not have their best games against eachother). However, if your definition of player of the year is the guy who has meant the most to his team and put up the best numbers overall (offensively and defensively) as an INDIVIDUAL, I do not think that anyone can argue that the overall numbers that Bartolotta has put up are more impressive than Cain's.  He averages more points, more rebounds, more assists, more steals, more blocks, and has a higher FT percentage.  The only areas that Cain is better than Bartolotta are FG% and 3 PT% (and team winning percentage). 

If you consider Player of the Year an INDIVIDUAL award, I dont see how you can argue that Cain is more deserving than Bartolotta.  However, if you consider Player of the Year a TEAM award, then I guess Cain would be your choice.

Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: cheeks14 on February 14, 2007, 06:54:23 pm
When MIT played WPI, Cain guarded Bartlotta for almost the entire game until the end when the freshman went in.  Barlotta scored about 8 points in the closing minutes of the game playing in the garbage time.  Cain had an off game and only scored 6 points but it wasn't because Bartlotta was shutting him down because he was guarding Coleman for almost the entire time.  Barlotta definitely has better defensive numbers, but Cain plays very good shut down defense even if he doesn't always get the steals.   He is very good denying the ball and from what I have seen this year is a premier shut down defender.  Bartlotta defintely has had an outstanding season and is a very good player so I am not trying to take anything away from him, but in my opinion Cain should be POY.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: hugenerd on February 14, 2007, 09:26:15 pm
The new NCAA Regional Rankings are out:

WPI is 3rd in the Northeast and Babson is 9th.  I think it will take a NEWMAC tournament win for anyone besides WPI to make it into the tourney.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: clarkie on February 14, 2007, 09:56:28 pm
My only problem with your selections as yet is that Coast Guard the LAST PLACE team in the conference would have TWO selections...Remember, Clark finished 4th in the conference last year and Tim Dutille a 1,000 point scorer and previous 2nd team and 1st team NEWMAC conference selection didi not get a nod his senior year.

Though clearly my allegiance is with Clark, I think it is important to not forget Mark Alexander as Rookie of the Year. Alexander is the one that has the ball for the final shot (and there have been at least three games this season that this has happened in). He can shoot the NBA three, drive and play strong defense.

Will he or any Clark player make the team, I'd say probably not. But I do think it would be ridiculous to have two players on the all conference team on the last place team in the conference. I didn't think I would ever say this but give WPI another or what about Eigenberg on Babson?
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: hugenerd on February 14, 2007, 10:29:13 pm
My only problem with your selections as yet is that Coast Guard the LAST PLACE team in the conference would have TWO selections...Remember, Clark finished 4th in the conference last year and Tim Dutille a 1,000 point scorer and previous 2nd team and 1st team NEWMAC conference selection didi not get a nod his senior year.

Though clearly my allegiance is with Clark, I think it is important to not forget Mark Alexander as Rookie of the Year. Alexander is the one that has the ball for the final shot (and there have been at least three games this season that this has happened in). He can shoot the NBA three, drive and play strong defense.

Will he or any Clark player make the team, I'd say probably not. But I do think it would be ridiculous to have two players on the all conference team on the last place team in the conference. I didn't think I would ever say this but give WPI another or what about Eigenberg on Babson?

Last year Wheaton finished 4th and got 2 players on the all-conference team, Coast Guard finished third and got 3 players on the all-conference team (including Prebeck and Sowers), and MIT finished 2nd and only got 1 player on the all conference team.  There doesnt necessarily have to be a connection between team success and individual awards.  I also feel like coaches dont want to put freshman on the team because Jimmy Bartolotta had better numbers than Mark Alexander is having this year and he did not make it (although he got frosh of the year).  That is why I wouldnt be surprised if Eric Bracht didnt make it this year, even though he is 1st in the conference in FG%, 2nd in rebounding, 6th in blocked shots, and 9th in rebounding.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: hugenerd on February 14, 2007, 10:38:12 pm
Remember, Clark finished 4th in the conference last year and Tim Dutille a 1,000 point scorer and previous 2nd team and 1st team NEWMAC conference selection didi not get a nod his senior year.

Though clearly my allegiance is with Clark....

Your allegiance may be skewing the facts in your mind.  Clark did not finish 4th last year, the finished 6th with a record of 4-8.  To recap last season:

WPI 9-3
MIT 8-4
CGA 7-5
Wheaton 6-6
Springfield 5-7
Clark 4-8
Babson 3-9
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: clarkie on February 15, 2007, 12:33:14 am
I apologize...in my old age I was mixing up the past two seasons. Clark finished (and hosted a NEWMAC game; which is what I was remembering) in 2004-2005...that was with Phillips' recruits too. ;) Not that I'm biased or anything.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: smarshall on February 15, 2007, 10:23:12 am
I agree with Clarkie that you could make a case for Eigenberg on Babson.  I think there is a better case for a 2nd player from Babson or Springfield than a 3rd from WPI or MIT.  Springfield's Gibbs and Farley have solid numbers for a team that beat Wheaton twice and at worse will split with Babson, and did with MIT.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: boknows on February 15, 2007, 03:00:42 pm
I agree with Clarkie that you could make a case for Eigenberg on Babson.  I think there is a better case for a 2nd player from Babson or Springfield than a 3rd from WPI or MIT.  Springfield's Gibbs and Farley have solid numbers for a team that beat Wheaton twice and at worse will split with Babson, and did with MIT.

Babson should play brandon eigenburg 35 minutes a game, and cut the playing time of their other point guard because he turns it over too much.   You have keep your best senior on the court as much as possible.  But Brennan is doing a good coaching job this year with the talent he has. 
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: cheeks14 on February 15, 2007, 09:31:20 pm
Ryan Cain - (28 pts,8-14 FG, 5-7 3FG) on senior night and held Zukowski to only 9 points.....WPI also clinches home court for the Newmac tourney where they are 45-6 over the past 4 years
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: hugenerd on February 15, 2007, 10:09:19 pm
A general question.  Anyone know why WPI only scheduled 23 games this year?
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: cheeks14 on February 16, 2007, 12:00:22 am
How many are they supposed to schedule?
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: hugenerd on February 16, 2007, 01:02:30 am
25
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 16, 2007, 08:53:08 am

Who did they scrimmage this year?  If they had a pre-season exhibition with a d1 school, that counts as one of their 25, even though it doesn't count in the standings.

That's the only possibility I can even think of.  Other than maybe they're trying to keep costs down.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: hugenerd on February 16, 2007, 10:16:05 am

Who did they scrimmage this year?  If they had a pre-season exhibition with a d1 school, that counts as one of their 25, even though it doesn't count in the standings.

That's the only possibility I can even think of.  Other than maybe they're trying to keep costs down.

I know of that rule, but I couldnt find any mention of a d1 exhibition game.

I also noticed that they only played 23 last year in the regular season, too.  I guess the coach is scheduling that way intentionally.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: clarkie on February 16, 2007, 10:16:40 am
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i'll admit though, clark sucks this year and phillips is still working the refs like textile workers in lowell to try to get charge calls out of the refs where his players clearly flop like manu ginobli.  some things never change. 


as much as you all might think they suck, they did beat springfield last night...never trailing in the game. normandin had a monster game too including clutch free throws at the end...
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 16, 2007, 10:35:13 am
The Midwest Conference only allows 23 regular season games as a way to ensure they remain a bastion of academic excellence, as if those extra two games make a big deal in the grand scheme of things.  Maybe WPI fancies themselves elite; although that's a bit funny when you're in a conference with MIT.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: hugenerd on February 16, 2007, 10:42:02 am
The Midwest Conference only allows 23 regular season games as a way to ensure they remain a bastion of academic excellence, as if those extra two games make a big deal in the grand scheme of things.  Maybe WPI fancies themselves elite; although that's a bit funny when you're in a conference with MIT.

I am sorry if I missed something, what does the Midwest Conference have to do with anything? 

WPI played 24 regular season games 2 years ago (04-05) and MIT (and I think the rest of the NEWMAC) play 25 year in and year out.  In my opinion, they should take those two games and try to schedule some tougher teams so people dont always have to debate whether they are as good as their record.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 16, 2007, 11:01:45 am

The MWC only allows 23 games because they think 25 takes too much time away from academics.  I was just offering it as a potential reason why WPI might not schedule the max.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: cheeks14 on February 16, 2007, 12:17:18 pm
it is very difficult for WPI to find harder teams to play against because they have been playing so well the past few years.  Most teams do not want to schedule them because of the extra potential loss.  I do find it kind of weird that WPI only has 23 games though.  I think they scrimmaged Assumption in the preseason but they are Division 2.  Is there any rule that makes that count as a game or is it only Division 1 games?
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 16, 2007, 01:05:37 pm

I think it's only d1 games, but then again I really don't know.

This is the last year for that rule anyway, next year d1 exhibitions will not count against the 25 so long as they are played within the pre-season period.  (They will count as one of two allowed exhibitions, though).
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: hugenerd on February 17, 2007, 06:18:57 pm
I was at the MIT-Clark game today.  Clark's game plan was pretty evident from the start, get the ball out of Jimmy Bartolotta's hands, every time he caught the ball they would run an extra man at him, sometimes two.  MIT led for most of the second half but just doesnt have enough players, 195 of the 200 minutes in the game were played by 5 players (one player played 4 minutes and 1 played 1 minute).  Down the stretch, you could tell some of the MIT guys were tired and they started to turn the ball over (they were -10 on turnovers)

Bartolotta was more than impressive, I cant remember a basket MIT made in the second half that he did not score himself or set up.  He ended the game with 32 points (9-12 FG, 14-14 FT), 9 rebounds, 7 assists, 6 steals, and 1 block.

I know he is on a "bad" team, but no one can convince me that he is not the best player in the NEWMAC.  He is now averaging 21.0 points, 8.4 rebounds, 4.5 assists, 1.84 steals, 1.08 blocks, and is shooting 48.0% from the field, 39.0% from 3 and 88.2% from the line (in 36.5 minutes).  Compare his stats to anyone else's in the league and there is no contest.  There is no player that has those kind of stats across the board.  Some players may compete with him in a category or two, but no one is as good as him on both sides of the ball.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: clarkie on February 17, 2007, 08:25:01 pm
so Bartolotta is smart AND can play basketball...lets give him some credit for that to...for being a true SCHOLAR ATHLETE...

anything to screw ryan cain over too. bartolotta seems like a nice kid...that should could for something.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: cheeks14 on February 18, 2007, 01:20:55 pm
anything to screw Ryan Cain over?? whats that supposed to mean?? you obviously don't know what you are talking about if you think Ryan Cain isn't a nice kid......also "should could" doesn't make sense......Ryan Cain has won scholar athlete awards before also so you need to get your information correct
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: hugenerd on February 19, 2007, 12:25:26 pm
NEWMAC's weekly report came out again today.  Jimmy Bartolotta is again ranked in 8 of 9 categories reported, while Ryan Cain is ranked in 5 of the 9.  Here is a summary of the individual rankings of the two player of the year candidates, with the NEWMAC rank in parenthesis:

                     Bartolotta                Cain
Scoring          21.0 (1st)            20.3 (2nd)
Assists           4.4 (3rd)                   NR
FG%                   NR                  0.511 (7th)
Steals             1.8 (6th)                  NR
Rebounds         8.4 (3rd)                  NR
3P FG%         0.390 (4th)          0.445 (2nd)
3P FG              1.6 (8th)               2.3 (3rd)
FT%               0.882 (1st)          0.850 (3rd)
Blocks              1.1 (4th)                 NR

As you can see above, Bartolotta has the edge in 6 of the 9 categories (and is ranked in 2 others where Cain is ranked higher).
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: hugenerd on February 21, 2007, 08:47:22 pm
MIT beats Clark tonight in the first round of the NEWMAC Tournament, at Clark.  Jimmy Bartolotta had 24 points (8-15 FG, 7-8 FT), 11 rebounds, 3 assists, and 3 steals.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: clarkie on February 21, 2007, 09:14:34 pm
Just a bad night for the Cougars...

Maybe next year?

Also Bartolotta for MVP for sure.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: hugenerd on February 21, 2007, 09:17:27 pm
All the lower seeded teams won tonight, MIT, CGA, and Wheaton. 
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: atn alum on February 21, 2007, 11:40:25 pm
Yeah, go figure on that...6 vs 7 for the right to go to the finals...who'd have thought?

and we get the nice subplot of watching the 2 best in the league go toe-to-toe in the other semi...
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: cheeks14 on February 22, 2007, 01:09:25 am
Cain Vs. Barlotta round 3

I'm VERY surprised about all 3 road teams winning in the first round.  MIT doesn't match up well with WPI.  I can't see WPI losing at home in either of the next 2 games.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: hugenerd on February 22, 2007, 09:17:40 am
Cain Vs. Barlotta round 3

I'm VERY surprised about all 3 road teams winning in the first round.  MIT doesn't match up well with WPI.  I can't see WPI losing at home in either of the next 2 games.

MIT doesnt match up well with anybody, they only have 5 players who play more than 5 minutes.  It is tough to match up against anyone when all of your players play 40 minutes.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: clarkie on February 22, 2007, 09:22:31 am
If MIT beat WPI, I think someone (even if it is just a student) should make a movie about the story...what a Cinderella that would be.

The small town kid from Colorado and his four teammates (2 of whom are pretty good themselves) beat the big bad nationally ranked team.

I would love it and then Bartolotta could finally get the exposure he needs to beat Cain for MVP.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: smarshall on February 22, 2007, 10:02:56 am
I'm glad to see Huge Nerd's Man Crush on Jimmy B has spread.

If everyone feels this way, they should start sending letters to the Head Coaches, instead of writing about it.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: cheeks14 on February 22, 2007, 10:13:44 am
clarkie you seem to forget that this is college basketball so stuff happens like this all the time and I don't think MIT beating WPI would be movie worthy.  You seem to forget George Mason last year.

With that said, I think MIT has no chance, they have 3 good players buts WPI throws 7 good players out there.

I also do agree Bartlotta has had a great year, but why are you out to get Ryan Cain so much??
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: hugenerd on February 22, 2007, 11:19:34 am
I'm glad to see Huge Nerd's Man Crush on Jimmy B has spread.

If everyone feels this way, they should start sending letters to the Head Coaches, instead of writing about it.

Man Crush or not, Jimmy B is better than Cain.  I have numbers to prove it.  POY is an individual award not a team award.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: clarkie on February 22, 2007, 11:27:11 am
I know George Mason and I know college sports, but I do just love the idea of MIT (yes the number one engineering school in the country where kids don't play basketball to do an academic internship) winning. This is not to take any credit away from WPI, they are a great school academically as well as athletic wise.

My beef with Ryan Cain. Well he did decide between Clark and WPI so of course I am a bit jealous. But also, he acts like such an ungracious punk when he plays. Bartolotta complains too, but he just seems so much more gracious about it. Ryan Cain is a great basketball player, but as it has been said before the team would still be good (maybe not as good, but good). Jimmy Bartolotta is MIT.

As for not just jibberjabbering on D3Hoops, I may just feel compelled to call Coach Phillips and tell him to vote for Bartolotta. I'll talk the talk and walk the walk.

Here's hoping for Coast Guard to upset'em all!
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: cheeks14 on February 22, 2007, 01:29:48 pm
It does impress me that the MIT players are really smart AND can play basketball.  However, your comment about doing academics as an internship doesn't apply to the NEWMAC I feel. 

First off, it is Division 3 basketball so they can't get money for playing.  That means that they are all playing for the love of the game.  Also, I know that WPI, MIT, and Clark are very good schools academically and fairly difficult to get into so the players on all these teams are good student athletes.  I'm sorry but I don't know as much about the other schools' academic programs so I can't speak for them.  I think it is more impressive that the players for Coast Guard are doing something like that for their country and are also good at basketball.  It impresses me that MIT and CGA had students that chose alternative plans this year instead of playing basketball because it shows that basketball isn't the most important things in their lives. 

Also, speaking of Ryan Cain he just got nominated for the Jostens Trophy which shows that he is a very good student athlete.  Lets just wait and see for POY and lets see how the coaches view these two players.  I just think it will be weird if Bartlotta wins POY and Cain gets some sort of All-American recognition which I think is still a strong possibilty.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: hugenerd on February 22, 2007, 02:11:39 pm
It does impress me that the MIT players are really smart AND can play basketball.  However, your comment about doing academics as an internship doesn't apply to the NEWMAC I feel. 

I believe he was referring to the player on MIT who left the team this year, in January, to do an internship.  I am all for basketball not being your whole life, but if you make a commitment, you should follow it through.

Also, speaking of Ryan Cain he just got nominated for the Jostens Trophy which shows that he is a very good student athlete.  Lets just wait and see for POY and lets see how the coaches view these two players.  I just think it will be weird if Bartlotta wins POY and Cain gets some sort of All-American recognition which I think is still a strong possibilty.

The Jostens Award is a completely different type of award than a POY award, it is not a good gauge of a players accomplishments in a single season.  This award is usually given out to a senior and is the equivalent of a career achievement award.  So Cain being a candidate for the award should have no bearing on the POY race in the NEWMAC.  Also, I do not think that something seeming "weird" is a good gauge to go by either.  Last year, for example, Mike Dauria was named Northeast player of the year, yet Bedford from Amherst was 3rd team all-america and dauria was 4th team all-america.  It all depends on who is voting.

Some voters will say that the top player in the conference cant be from the fourth or fifth best team and that the POY has to be on the top team.  These voters will vote for Cain.  Others will look at the award as an individual award and only look at objective criteria, such as stats from the entire year, when making their decision. These people will vote for Bartolotta.  It all depends on how people vote and we wont know that until next week.  I think everyone knows by now that, in my opinion, when you compare Bartolotta's stats to Cain's, Jimmy B's stats are just so much better overall (when you consider all categories, offensive and defensive) that I dont know how you could justify not giving the award to him(whether he be on the first place team or the last place team). 
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: atn alum on February 22, 2007, 07:43:38 pm
Newmac semis and finals will be broadcast...it will be a busy 2 days, with the 4 semis (men's and women's) and the 2 finals

http://sportsjuice.com

Feel free to tune in.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: PlayOnPlaya on February 23, 2007, 08:44:03 am
It isnt march yet but the madness is here...

"#7 Coast Guard records the first win ever by a NEWMAC seventh-seed to advance
to Saturday's semifinal round at WPI."

Anyways this is my first post but I am always reading just to see what you guys have as the latest development in the Cain -  Bartolotta saga. I mean talking about anyone else on either WPI or MIT just wouldnt be as fun. Cant wait to get into WPIs gym and see the games on Saturday, because of the past few years it almost seems like the tourny is always in Worcester. I am not complaining because it  is a good atmophere and sweet "arena".
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: hugenerd on February 24, 2007, 02:55:40 pm
The final matchup between MIT and WPI was a synopsis of the entire season:  WPI has a better team, but MIT has the better individual player.

Bartollotta had 22 points, 15 rebounds, and 3 steals (as well as 3 turnovers), while Cain had 6 points, 3 rebounds, and 1 steal (as well as 5 turnovers).

Head to head this season (3 games), Jimmy B has averaged 15.3 points, 10.7 rebounds, 3 assists, and 2.7 steals, while Cain has averaged 7.3 points, 2.7 rebounds, 2.3 assists, and 1.0 steals.

You can decide for yourself who the player of the year is, but it seems pretty obvious to me (since it is an individual award).
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: wildgoose on February 24, 2007, 05:10:43 pm
This could only happen at a D3 game - WPI vs. MIT - watching the game,  2 kids from WPI sit down next to me and one kid takes out a laptop computer and goes on the web while the game is going.  He is googleing heat retention for a steam turbine engine,  and looking at the diagram?? They left at half time.
Other than that,  watching the game was like watching teams in different speeds,  MIT came out and didn’t do much, MIT coach look bewildered, on the first play which MIT threw away he buried his head in his hands, called 5 timeouts in the first half, and granted I know he has a short bench but left Bracht in with 3 fouls in the first half and of course Bracht gets his 4th after he runs over Cain trying to lead the fast break with 4 minutes to go in the first half.   A blow out. 

Having seen Bartolotta   and Cain play numerous times this year (not against each other 1st time today) its obvious Bartolotta and Cain are excellent players.  Cain has a much better team, but watching today’s game you can see stats are for losers.  Bartolotta needed to step up, instead he misses 3 out 4 foul shots in the first half when MIT couldn’t score and needed to stay in the game.  Cain is a leader and you cant stat that.   You probably to young to remember but Wilt had the stats and Russell has the rings.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: cheeks14 on February 24, 2007, 05:21:58 pm
Cain also didn't need to step up when they were winning by 25 the entire game.  He played less minutes because they were winning by so much and he also got the W and thats all that matters.  Cain will step up when he needs to unlike Bartlotta who couldn't.  Cain wasn't needed to score a lot of points today and he will do whatever it takes to get the W.

Give Bartolotta the POY if thats what he wants because he sure doesn't care about winning.  Cain will take a NEWMAC regular season title all 4 years he's been here and going to the NCAA tournament over individual awards any day. 
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: cheeks14 on February 24, 2007, 05:27:14 pm
The bottom line is that if you asked anyone that knows NEWMAC basketball who they would pick to be on their team out of Cain and Bartolotta then I'd bet the majority of responses would be to Ryan Cain.  Cain is the better basketball player
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: hugenerd on February 24, 2007, 07:01:27 pm
The bottom line is that if you asked anyone that knows NEWMAC basketball who they would pick to be on their team out of Cain and Bartolotta then I'd bet the majority of responses would be to Ryan Cain.  Cain is the better basketball player

Who are you asking? Other WPI fans? I am pretty sure they would agree with you also.  Cain is the best player on the best team, but that doesnt mean he is the best player in the league.  If you compare his stats to Bartolotta's there is absolutely no contest.  You cannot make a case for Cain as POY of the year without bringing up the team argument, and unfortunately this is an individual award.


Give Bartolotta the POY if thats what he wants because he sure doesn't care about winning. 

This is an absolutely ignorant statement.  Without Bartolotta MIT would have 10 less wins this year.  Cain has the luxury of taking nights off and his teammates picking him up, Bartolotta does not.


Cain also didn't need to step up when they were winning by 25 the entire game.  He played less minutes because they were winning by so much and he also got the W and thats all that matters.  Cain will step up when he needs to unlike Bartlotta who couldn't.  Cain wasn't needed to score a lot of points today and he will do whatever it takes to get the W.

Ok, so they didnt need him today, I understand, but just because they dont need him does not mean he should have absolutely no output.  He may have only played 25 minutes today and scored 6 points, but last time he played MIT he played 39 minutes and still only scored 6 points.  Also, when has WPI really needed Cain to step up this year?  Looking over their schedule it seems that over 80% of their games were blowouts and in the 4 or 5 games that werent blowouts, WPI lost half of them.  You cant say Cain WILL step up when he needs to because WPI really hasnt had many games where they have needed him at all, they could have won 20 games without him. Also, Cain seemed to be able to put up pretty good numbers in the other blowouts, why not against MIT? (his only three sub 11 point games have all been against MIT).

granted I know he has a short bench but left Bracht in with 3 fouls in the first half and of course Bracht gets his 4th after he runs over Cain trying to lead the fast break with 4 minutes to go in the first half.   A blow out. 

MIT only has one big man.  Their other starting big man (Koryan) is 5'11" (with his shoes on).  If he had taken Bracht out he would have had to sub one of his guards in who play less than 5 minutes a game.  Tough to matchup with WPI, who has 9 guys 6'4" or taller.

Bartolotta needed to step up, instead he misses 3 out 4 foul shots in the first half when MIT couldn’t score and needed to stay in the game.  Cain is a leader and you cant stat that. 

First off, Bartolotta leads the league in FT%.  Just because he missed a few in one game doesnt make him any less of a player.  Secondly, I dont think 3 points would have made a huge difference in the outcome of the game. 

It is easy to be a leader when all your teammates are producing for you.  Todays game isnt a good example of what Bartolotta can do as a leader because MIT really had no chance.  If you could see what he does when they are actually in a game, you would agree that he is also a great leader.  He has had near triple doubles several times this season because he sets up nearly everything that MIT does.  Also, you may not be able to stat leadership, but there are alot of other stats that are kept, and in the vast majority, Bartolotta's are more impressive than Cain's.

You probably to young to remember but Wilt had the stats and Russell has the rings.

I may not remember but I do know that Russell won 11 championships and Chamberlin still won 4 MVP awards.  Once again, you do not need to be on the best team to be the best player.


In conclusion, looking at all the numbers, you really cant make a case for Cain over Bartolotta as POY without bringing in the team success argument.  Bartolotta has better overall numbers and better head-to-head numbers, but just isnt on a great team this year.  Cain is on a great team, but he doesnt put up numbers that are comparable to Bartolottas.  It is an individual award.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: PlayOnPlaya on February 24, 2007, 08:07:58 pm
There def needs to be more people on this thing because going a whole season and only hearing about 2 players is pretty boring. How about some interesting conversation like how some of these games are kids last games... that is pretty important. Or about the last 3 minutes of today Wheaton vs. CGA game. That was pretty good too. Or even say something about how WPI is going to crush CGA tomorrow in the Finals.... if you think that is gonna happen. Anyway, hope all you Cain fans show up and are loud for him tomorrow, he will need the support.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: clarkie on February 24, 2007, 09:56:26 pm
Let's go Coast Guard!

And I agree there are more than two players in this league, lets talk about the man tears that were shed at the end of players careers. As sad as it is to see, it shows how much these players love the game. Good luck to all those that are playing their last collegiate games. It doesn't get easier, but know you left your mark on your school as well as the sport and you are better prepared because of it.

Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: wildgoose on February 24, 2007, 10:47:32 pm
there are way more than those 2 guys, guys playing there heart out for the love of the game,  Wheatons  DiGiovanna  playing on the bad knee, giving it all he had for a D3 game.  Prebeck is an outstanding player and they might not be able to beat WPI tomorrow but CG size can give WPI trouble, if any team can beat WPI Cg may be the team.  Plus where else can you watch 2 good games  a soda and piece of pizza for $8.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: cheeks14 on February 24, 2007, 10:52:52 pm
How about recognizing the amazing season WPI has had this year.  No one really talks about them and they are ranked as the 13th best team in the country.

Also, instead of worrying about Ryan Cain for POY....how about talking about him as one of the best players in NEWMAC history.  He has had an amazing career for WPI and has completely turned around a WPI program that has struggled in the past.  Whenever his last game it will be a very sad day because he has truly been a great player and great person for the NEWMAC over the past 4 seasons.

WPI is a force in the NEWMAC for the past 4 years and is only losing Ryan Cain so they should be back next year and still be a very good team.

Also, I predicted that it would be WPI Vs. Coast Guard for the championship all year, but I didn't figure that Coast Guard would be the last place team that advanced to the finals.  Coast Guard is a very good team and I don't understand how they finished in last place because they have some very good players.  I think they underachieved all season but they are turning it on at the right time.  Al Sowers had a huge shot to put them ahead today in the last minute and they were able to hold off Wheaton.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: atn alum on February 24, 2007, 11:59:29 pm
NEWMAC final will be webcast

#1 seed WPI vs #7 seed Coast Guard.

Tip at noon. Pre-game at 11:50-ish...

http://sportsjuice.com

feel free to e-mail me and let me know that you're tuned in:

cgbears2006@aol.com
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: hugenerd on February 25, 2007, 03:52:45 pm
Congrats to CGA.  Great Job.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: wildgoose on February 25, 2007, 04:06:44 pm
Sowers was outstanding and Blum helped out with some excellent 2nd half offense - CG size was the difference
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: wildgoose on February 25, 2007, 04:09:35 pm
One thing I didnt like was Cains pointing to the crowd early in the game when he made a 3, I didnt see him pointing when he missed.  Coleman was hamming it up also.  They dont really need to act like jackasses, their very good players,maybe they got a little to cocky.  One other thing thats not mentioned about Cain, he is a excellent defensive player
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Paul Heering on February 25, 2007, 04:33:54 pm
coast guard was 2-10 in the regular season and won 3 games to win the tournament.    has that ever happened before where a conference tournament champion won more games in the tournament than in the regular season?
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: hugenerd on February 25, 2007, 05:02:18 pm
One other thing thats not mentioned about Cain, he is a excellent defensive player

Actually, that has been mentioned several times on this board already, but he doesnt put up very good defensive numbers (rebounds, blocks, and steals).  I wasnt at the game but was he guarding Sowers today?
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: cheeks14 on February 25, 2007, 05:45:04 pm
no he was guarding Grant Johnson most of the game.  He is a very smart defender and knows how to get around picks.  He plays good deny defense and even though he doesn't have a lot of defensive statistics but he is still one of the leagues better defenders.

Sowers played unbelievable today and Blum came off the bench and showed that he could score around the basket.  I didn't realize how many big bodies coast guard had (Blum, Burgess, Prebeck and one other kid saw a few mins) and that proved to be the difference.  WPI only has a 7 man rotation and they got hurt today when they got in foul trouble. 

It has baffled me how Coast Guard struggled so much in the conference play because I always thought they were the 2nd or 3rd best team is this conference.  Maybe they are just finally clicking at the right time.  Today was an exciting game to watch and shows exactly what is amazing about college basketball.  I'm bummed that my team wasn't able to win the game but it is impressive that the #7 seed in the tourney was able to battle through and win the tournament. 

On a positive note, this is the only way the NEWMAC was going to get 2 teams into the tournament.  I wish good luck both teams (unless CGA is playing WPI again) and I hope they represent hte NEWMAC well. 
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: PlayOnPlaya on February 25, 2007, 06:01:44 pm
Isnt it funny how everone "Knew" how good you were once you have the cup.  CG played a hell of a game today and have won the last 3 games playing as a team. Different people have stepped up every game to make it happen. Also all of the Cadets that came to see both games at WPI really got the team pumped up and playing with emotion. At one point a cop had to come over and tell the Cadets to sit down... which didnt last for very long. Oh ya.. and Burgess' dunk...  enought said.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: cheeks14 on February 25, 2007, 06:10:25 pm
with that said....Coast Guard will be very good again next year with all the players they have coming back especially if Craig Johnson comes back.  WPI is also only losing Ryan Cain as the lone senior so the battles between these two teams should be very interesting next year again. 
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: hugenerd on February 25, 2007, 06:39:03 pm
MIT will be returning Hamidou Soumare from study abroad, as well as (hopefully) the 4 other players who were either injured or took off this year.  They should be tough as well. 

Babson also only loses a couple seniors and should be strong again.

It will fun to see if they newmac can have 3 or 4 teams competing for that top spot next year, rather than one team running away with the regular season.  This would not only be good for enjoyment of conference games, but also for the national scene.  If you look at the UAA from last year and this year, they only sent the league champion last year and will likely send 4 this year.  If your entire conference is performing at a high level, you get higher QOWIs and national respect for everyone in the conference.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: hugenerd on February 25, 2007, 06:46:13 pm
WPI is also only losing Ryan Cain as the lone senior so the battles between these two teams should be very interesting next year again. 

I just think its kind of funny how whenever we talk about player of the year, you say how crucial Cain is to WPI's success and he is the heart, soul, and leader of the team, but then when you talk about next year you say they are only losing Cain.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: cheeks14 on February 25, 2007, 07:08:24 pm
Ryan Cain will be a huge loss to the WPI program and I fully realize that.  However, they are still very good at every other position and I'm sure that Coach Bartley will have someone ready to step in.  They won't be able to replace all that Ryan Cain does on the court but I think that the guys at the other positions are very good and they will find other ways to hurt you.  I think that they will be much more of an inside team next year and not rely on as much outside shooting. 

I also agree that it would be good for the league to be overall much better.  This year no one really gives WPI credit because they "haven't played anyone".  Next year it will be good for the entire conference if they are all good and I think that you are right about MIT and Babson.  Next year seems wide open and it should make for some very entertaining basketball games.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: atn alum on February 25, 2007, 10:31:33 pm
<<coast guard was 2-10 in the regular season and won 3 games to win the tournament.    has that ever happened before where a conference tournament champion won more games in the tournament than in the regular season?>>

we're gonna research this (with the help of SIDs around the globe), as well as last-place teams to win league titles.

A really amazing accomplishment by Coast Guard. As someone who has broadcast their games since 2002, I can tell you that it is a truly great story that the Bears won. I may try to share some of that later this week.

And I hope the folks who attended appreciated the job that WPI did hosting.

Hope anyone that tuned in enjoyed as well.

Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: cheeks14 on February 27, 2007, 05:33:10 pm
Just wanted to revisit my picks from Valentines Day.

POY - Cain -  WPI
FOY - Bracht - MIT
COY - Brennan - Babson

1ST Team
Cain-WPI
Bartlotta-MIT
Prebeck-Coast Guard
Etten-Babson
Coleman-WPI

2ND TEAM
Sowers - CGA
Zukowski - Wheaton
Pizzo - Springfield
Bracht - MIT
Bourque - WPI

_______________________________________ ___


Overall I think I did pretty good for myself.  Cain did end up winning POY very deservingly (despite what Clarkie and hugenerd might think).  The coaches did a very good job of realizing who the best players were in the conference and I was impressed that there was a representative from every team. 



Here are the actual selections
POY - Cain -  WPI
FOY - Bracht - MIT
COY - Brennan - Babson

1ST Team
Cain-WPI
Bartlotta-MIT
Prebeck-Coast Guard
Etten-Babson
Coleman-WPI

2ND TEAM
Sowers - CGA
Zukowski - Wheaton
Gibbs - Springfield
Bracht - MIT
Alexander - Clark


I feel happy with my predictions by getting all three of the major awards, the whole first team, and 3 out of 5 on the second team correct.  Congratulations to all these players and there are only 2 seniors on this list so I look forward to watching all of these players battle for the next few years!!!
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: diehardfan on March 01, 2007, 07:11:39 pm
Hey guys, we're collecting previews for each team in the tourney on one of the multiregional boards. If I get them by Friday I may even be able to stick them in one document for people to peruse. A fun little tourney resource of sorts. Would someone here be willing to do one for WPI and Coast Guard? Thanks!

http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=5147.0
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: atn alum on March 01, 2007, 10:57:47 pm
We tried something similar last year, and I'm glad someone is doing this again. I added Coast Guard to that board. Hopefully someone from WPI will do the WPI one.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: diehardfan on March 01, 2007, 11:02:10 pm
Thanks! We're obviously not going to get some of the schools due to the fact that, well, some of the teams that haven't given previews lost tonight! But, we have a shot at getting quite a few with more than 1/3 of the schools already on the list!  :)
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: atn alum on March 02, 2007, 11:47:54 am
Today's NCAA game (8 ET) between Coast Guard and RIC can be seen/heard in the following places

Video link: http://ibn.ihigh.com/play/index.cfm?id=64556

Audio link: http://sportsjuice.com

If you wish to e-mail the audio broadcast during the game, cgbears2006@aol.com
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: mattapn02126 on March 05, 2007, 10:17:29 am
I believe Wheaton is getting a solid backcourt from the Greater Boston area in next years class. PG Ryan Sasso from Peabody who attends Bishop Fenwick, and 2 Man Anthony Coppola from Watertown. Theyre both solid, fundamentally sound players. If youre a Wheaton fan and live near Boston, these guys are playing each other Tuesday the 6th at Revere High School at 7:30.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: cheeks14 on March 06, 2007, 11:53:28 am
Congratulations to Ryan Cain for winning the Josten's Trophy this year.  He has worked very hard on the court and off the court and I am very happy for him to be recognized for all his hard work.  WPI will truly miss him in many ways and it has been a pleasure watching him play. 
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 06, 2007, 12:04:40 pm
Alright Pat, I might be stubborn, but I also like to think I have integrity.

I'm not sure Cain is a first teammer, but he's certainly better than I thought he was and deserves to be on one of the All-American teams this spring.  That was a much, much better call than I gave you credit for.




(Although I think I was right about the team, overall.)
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: clarkie on March 07, 2007, 01:42:00 pm
Gotta give credit where credit is due. Congratulations to Ryan Cain who clearly can play basketball but also is a Big Brother to a kid in need. You are representing Division III athletics well Ryan. Good luck in the future.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: RGardner22 on March 07, 2007, 04:26:22 pm
A well deserved congratulations to Steve Brennan for being named NEWMAC Coach of the Year, the fifth time in his 12 seasons that he has earned either the designation from either the NEWMAC or its predecessor, the CAC. As a Babson alum and former basketball captain, extremely pleasing to see such a quality individual contribute not just his expertise, competitiveness, and passion to a fine athletic program, but also to the broader Babson community as a whole.

I speak for many fellow alums with pride to see the value of our degrees enhanced by having such a class act at them helm of the hoops program. The best lessons anyone can learn from athletics at any level are how to compete for things in life and carry yourself with class, Brennan is a terrific example of both.


With exception of a few ridiculous posts, very much enjoy reading the dialogue on the board, pretty cool insights and opinions. Wish it was in place in mid 1990's!

RG
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: boknows on March 09, 2007, 04:18:50 pm
good post.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 14, 2007, 12:03:37 pm
Wish all of the good players in this league had been nominated for All-Region.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: hugenerd on March 14, 2007, 03:56:40 pm
Pat,

Who wasnt nominated? (and specifically, was MIT's Bartolotta nominated, because I was honestly surprised not to see him on the list at least on the third team)
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 14, 2007, 04:37:15 pm

Players are nominated by the SID from the school, so it might be more specific to ask which schools failed to submit nominations.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: hugenerd on March 14, 2007, 04:38:43 pm

Players are nominated by the SID from the school, so it might be more specific to ask which schools failed to submit nominations.

I understand that, but I think that Bartolotta was the only one with a real shot from MIT.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 14, 2007, 04:40:29 pm

Right, but asking Pat which players weren't nominated is kind of like asking someone which Americans aren't running for President.  It's hard to know exactly how to answer that.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: hugenerd on March 14, 2007, 04:46:32 pm
That is why I specified a player.  A simple yes/no he was/wasnt nominated would probably suffice.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 14, 2007, 05:39:20 pm
No nominations from MIT.

That actually drew a four-letter word  from someone on our staff, someone who isn't known for such. But we can't hand-hold schools. No way to make sure every worthy player is nominated.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: hugenerd on March 14, 2007, 08:09:16 pm
Thanks,  Ill have a talk with a few people.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: clarkie on May 12, 2007, 11:05:25 am
ummm hello is the newmac alive? i'm starting to get nervous due to lack of posting.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on May 14, 2007, 11:42:06 am

Anyone know if the NEWMAC is actually going to vote on an eighth member this summer?
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 14, 2007, 04:22:51 pm
I believe the NEWMAC has 10 members. :)
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: d3bballinboston on May 15, 2007, 07:39:22 am
they do have 10 members. it is funny how everyone thinks that leagues are changed because of Men's Basketball.  I doubt if the NEWMAC expands that MBB is even one of the factors.  The NEWMAC is all about academics and larger endowments.  MBB is not even on the rador screen.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on May 15, 2007, 10:09:31 am

It's not just men's basketball, it's all men's sports.  I get a little annoyed (sometimes at myself) when people think it all revolves around men's basketball, but when there are only seven teams playing men's sports in the league, it would make sense to add another school.  Although that would put the women at 11.  Do you think Wellsley, Smith or Holyoke will be admitting men anytime soon? (Clearly sarcastic).
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: clarkie on July 26, 2007, 02:32:33 pm
I hate seeing the NEWMAC on the bottom of the posting boards--it makes it look like nobody cares...

So who has any good NEWMAC news or gossip? Any word on my Clark Cougars?
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: jpf5911 on August 01, 2007, 10:53:24 am
Is there a published schedule anywhere for NEWMAC Men's basketball for the 2007-2008 season?

How about previews and predictions?

Thanks,

JPF
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: jpf5911 on August 06, 2007, 07:35:14 pm
I'll be a fan of Newmac basketball for the first time in the upcoming 07-08 season. 

Unfortunately, I'm on the west coast.  Is there any TV coverage available, perhaps on the internet or pay per view cable or something?

I'll be rooting for MIT and it looks like they have some strong players returning.  What do you guys think their prospects are?

Thanks,

JPF
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on August 06, 2007, 08:24:47 pm
I'll be rooting for MIT and it looks like they have some strong players returning.  What do you guys think their prospects are?

Usually pretty good, but they haven't lived up to expectations in recent years.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: hugenerd on August 15, 2007, 11:33:36 am
I'll be rooting for MIT and it looks like they have some strong players returning.  What do you guys think their prospects are?

Usually pretty good, but they haven't lived up to expectations in recent years.

Expectations?  Two years ago MIT set a school record for wins (21) and was one game away from the NCAAs (they finished 2nd in the regular season and in the NEWMAC tourney to WPI ).  Last year they literally had 7 players for most of the season (they lost players every possible way, injury/quitting before season/ study abroad/ and one player even left the team for an internship).  They still had a winning record despite all of that.

This year MIT should be much improved.  I havent heard about their recruiting class, but their returning starters should be solid.  They will be anchored by Jimmy Bartollota at the small forward (or shooting guard) position (he is coming off a season where he was top 10 in the NEWMAC in nearly every offensive and defensive category).  They will be getting Dou Soumare back from study abroad (he was a big part of their success two years ago) who will most likely start at the 5.  At the 4 will most likely be Eric Bracht who was NEWMAC frosh of the year last year.  I expect the starting point guard will be Brad Gampel who missed most of last year with injury (he will be backed up by Patrick Sissman).  The last spot is between Will Mroz (out second half of last year with an intership) and Billy Johnson (out most of the year with an injury last year).  They could move Jimmy to the 2 and put Billy in at the 3 which would give them alot of size and some matchup problems for other teams, or they could go with Will at the 2 and play a more traditional line up.  I personally like the lineup with Billy, in that case you have 6'4", 6'8", 6'5", and 6'8" and all of those guys can run.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 15, 2007, 01:57:27 pm
hugenerd -- I don't think Hoops Fan likes anyone in the NEWMAC. It's not the CCC, after all.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: hugenerd on August 15, 2007, 05:08:50 pm
I understand that.

I was just trying to convery that two years ago they exceeded expectations and I dont know who had high expectations for them last year since they had less than 10 players.  That is why I didnt understand the comment about not living up to expectations. 

As for this year, I think they should be able to compete for the NEWMAC title like they did 2 years ago (barring a mass exodus of players like last year).  Im probably alone on that opinion but I guess we will see in a few months.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 15, 2007, 08:31:14 pm
I think his comment, truly, is borne out of a CCC inferiority complex rather than actual facts. I wouldn't worry about it. You've already debunked it. :)
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on August 15, 2007, 09:12:54 pm

I guess my expectations were too high.  I didn't realize that the recent years have been among their best.  I'll chock it up to ignorance on my part, if you'll allow me.  I've just expected even more from them over the past two years, based on the talent.  In actuality, their results have been impressive, I'm sure they will be right in it again this season.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: jpf5911 on August 20, 2007, 05:14:49 pm
What about video coverage of Newmac games?

Is there anything available on the internet or pay per view?

Thanks,
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: atn alum on August 20, 2007, 08:38:56 pm
I do audiocasts of coast guard basketball- about 15 games per year for each gender...also have done the newmac men's final the last 2 yrs, and did the newmac semis and finals for both genders last yr.

I know MIT was experimenting with HD videocasts last yr, with plans to implement in the future. Couple other schools were looking into audiocasts for next yr.

Hugenerd- does this mean we can officially squash the Bartolotta to Williams rumor that we'd heard previously?...would like to put a stamp on that as "NOT" if he's still at MIT.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: interestedfan on August 21, 2007, 11:32:41 am
Good Morning All,

   I have recently moved back to the Worcester area and enjoy college basketball.  I have been looking at the success that WPI has enjoyed the past few years.  It seems that Coach Bartley has done a tremendous job with this program.

   Since recruiting players is the key to sustaining this level of play, I was interested in any information people here could offer up on their incoming recruitment class and the players they are looking at pulling in next year.


 
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: hugenerd on August 24, 2007, 01:48:37 pm
I do audiocasts of coast guard basketball- about 15 games per year for each gender...also have done the newmac men's final the last 2 yrs, and did the newmac semis and finals for both genders last yr.

I know MIT was experimenting with HD videocasts last yr, with plans to implement in the future. Couple other schools were looking into audiocasts for next yr.

Hugenerd- does this mean we can officially squash the Bartolotta to Williams rumor that we'd heard previously?...would like to put a stamp on that as "NOT" if he's still at MIT.

You can watch the MIT games on TV ....if you live on campus.   

I hadnt heard any rumors about Bartolotta going anywhere.    I am 99.9% sure he will be at MIT this coming year, but I can look into it if you are serious about that rumor.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: hugenerd on August 28, 2007, 04:03:30 pm
Hugenerd- does this mean we can officially squash the Bartolotta to Williams rumor that we'd heard previously?...would like to put a stamp on that as "NOT" if he's still at MIT.

He is definitely still at MIT.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: interestedfan on September 26, 2007, 01:09:00 pm
Wow,

   Not much activity here in the past few weeks!

   I am still looking for any info on the incoming WPI freshmen and who they are actively recuiting now for next year.

  Who is expected to step into the spot vaccated by Ryan Cain's graduation?

  I hope to take in a few games this winter.  This coach has certainly turned them into a force to be reckoned with.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: interestedfan on September 28, 2007, 10:06:21 am
Hope I am not working in a vacuum here.

I did see on the recruiting thread here that a NH player named Ben Etten
is one of the incoming freshmen at WPI.  Is he expected to contribute much this season?

Any insight into any other frosh at WPI?
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: MeOak21 on September 28, 2007, 02:30:20 pm
I saw Etten play a few times last year during his senior HS season and he definitely stuck out as a college level ball player with some serious upsides to his game.
He's pretty big at the guard spot and was easily the strongest kid on the floor. He handled the ball well and was capable of either going around his defender or bullying him down the court if he decided to slow down the pace. He seemed to be a capable outside shooter but mostly looked to go to the rim and finish strong or dish off. I'd say he's a really good acquisition although its a little hard to tell considering the leagues talent wasn't anything special. He seemed to be a good team player that could rightfully have been way more selfish on his team. He played hard D and got after it.

I don't know much about what WPI has coming back but I would think he'd get a good look at some minutes this year if you were looking to fill in some spots in the backcourt.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: interestedfan on October 01, 2007, 09:36:34 am
MeOak21,

   Thanks for the info.  Do you know any other incoming freshmen for WPI.
or have any insight into players they are looking at for 2008-2009?
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: MeOak21 on October 01, 2007, 11:53:27 am
Honestly, no I don't. I was an assistant coach for a team that played against Etten's team last year. I am pretty far removed from NEWMAC bball otherwise. I typically only see WPI once a year if they scrimmage Keene State.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: interestedfan on October 04, 2007, 09:58:55 am
MeOak21,

   I have been on the road with buisness the past couple of days, but I did get some more insight on Etten.  I was in Portsmouth and talking with a collegue about basketball.  He is one of those "in the know" kind of guys that attends as many games as he can (HS, AAU...etc).  He says it keeps him out of his wfie's hair at home.  Mine just keeps posting lists of things for me to do on the fridge!

   Anyway, He said he saw Etten play a few times last year including the state tournament.  I guess he hit a 35 footer at the buzzer to put his team into the semi-finals.  My friend confirmed your input on his skills.  He thinks his outside game will improve in college where he should be able to concentrate more on it.  His HS team really didnt have much of an inside presence, so he worked alot down low as well as on the perimeter.  He said the kid was a very hard nosed player and should do well at WPI.

   He also told me of another NH player he heard was being recruited by WPI, a 6'6" center/forward from a school called Saint Thomas.  His name is Matt Carr.  From what he told me this kid can be a force inside on both ends of the court.  My friend said he saw him play a few times last year and at a tournament at UNH this summer where he dominated inside against bigger schools.  According to my buddy, someone wearing a WPI shirt was there watching him and talking to his coach.

  Have you seen this kid play or know anything of him?
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: MeOak21 on October 04, 2007, 02:29:54 pm
I didn't get to see St. Thomas play last year but I heard they had a pretty good team. I don't know anything about the big kid but he does sound promising. Hope he pans out for you guys. I'm surprised I didn't recognize the name. If I hear anything new about WPI I'll be sure to inform you.

I wouldn't be surprised if WPI was coming up to Keene for a preseason scrimmage this year or vice versa so if that happens it will be in about a month or so. Practice/tryouts starts in a couple weeks!!
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: interestedfan on October 16, 2007, 09:34:01 am
MEOak21,

   Let me know if your going to WPI scrimmage up there.  If work settles down a bit, I may be able to come watch and say hi in person.  If not I will have to rely on your trained eye to give me feedback.

I have not heard any other news on WPI at all, but I have been focusing on the Sox and Pats the past couple of weeks. 

Surely there are others out here who can start to feed us all some info on the teams in the NEWMAC as the start of the season is just around the corner.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: interestedfan on October 29, 2007, 11:41:03 am
I have noticed WPI's schedule is up for this season, but nothing about scrimmages.  Does anyone here know of any WPI scrimmages?

I also noticed their roster has not been updated for this year.  Any insights as to the make up of the team ?

Come On Folks, Lets get some discussions going on
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: MeOak21 on October 29, 2007, 01:12:58 pm
I know that the Keene State vs. WPI scrimmage will be held at WPI on a Saturday morning. I'm not sure if it will be this coming weekend or the next but it will be soon.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: interestedfan on October 30, 2007, 08:06:59 am
MeOak21,

   When you find out for sure, please post it. 

   If I rake up all the leaves, perhaps my wife will reward me and let me go watch.  I have been on the road a lot the past few weeks and her "Honey Get It Done" list is now two pages long.

   If I miss it, I'm countiung on you for a full report!
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: nescac1 on October 30, 2007, 10:52:32 am
Someone posted on the NESCAC board that Will Lyons from Conn College transferred to WPI.  He was Conn's second leading scorer as a Sophomore. 
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: MeOak21 on October 30, 2007, 01:11:35 pm
Interestedfan,
I just found out today that the Keene/WPI is actually going to be played this Friday afternoon and I'm not sure about the time. I imagine it will be around 6. Rake those leaves...
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: interestedfan on October 31, 2007, 01:28:08 pm
nescac1,

Thanks for the info !  Great to see there are others out there.

MeOak21,

I hope i may be able to pop in and see a few minutes of the scrimmage.  Traffic conditions will probably dictate if i have the time.  I have to be home early as we are  going out to eat dinner with our neighbors.

Take good notes!
 
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: MeOak21 on October 31, 2007, 01:43:46 pm
Update: scrimmage is at 7 on Friday night...
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: hoops on October 31, 2007, 03:23:56 pm
Should be a very interesting scrimmage. Tyler Kathan is legit and very good. I still dont know what happened to Nate Anderson but if he is gone then that is pretty big lose to the team. WPI will have to find someone to replace Cain too.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: interestedfan on November 05, 2007, 04:24:25 pm
MeOak21,

   How did the scrimmage go?  who shined & who struggled ?
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: MeOak21 on November 06, 2007, 04:48:48 pm
I caught most of the four 10 minute quarters and saw a wide range of level of play. The first two quarters were competitive and close with both teams executing on the offensive end but the second half was lopsided throughout with WPI outplaying and outscoring Keene by double digits in both quarters. The WPI defense was disruptive out front as they challenged passing lanes and slowed down ball movement. Keene was allowing penetration for kick outs to open shooters who weren't missing many 3's. It was obvious that coaches were experimenting with lineups, which is to be expected, and the vast majority of those lineups saw WPI ouplaying Keene on both ends of the floor.
I really couldnt name off too many individual standouts so I'll hold back on that for the time being. I am not familiar enough with the WPI players names to give you much of an idea. It appeared that some key players for Keene struggled and vice versa for WPI.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: hugenerd on November 07, 2007, 12:07:29 am
Coleman gets selected as honorable mention preseason all-american by d3 hoops. Its a nice honor. However, in my opinion, he isnt one of the top 25 players in the country, I dont think he is even the best big man in the conference (i think prebeck and craig johnson, who didnt play last year, are better all around).  I guess you get the benefit of the doubt sometimes playing on a successful team.  Anyone have any thoughts? I am sure there are some people out there that disagree with me.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: interestedfan on November 07, 2007, 08:19:50 am
MeOak21,

   Thanks for the review, it looks like I should get to see some good ball when I finally get to see the team play.  Best of luck to you in your season !

Hugenerd,

   I'm not sure about Coleman's ranking, but I can say its very rare  that a player who missed a season (can you elaborate on the reason - injury, grades, etc) would be placed on a preseason All-America listing.

  Your right about it being an honor, but now Coleman and each player listed there must live up to the expectations of that honor.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: nescac1 on November 07, 2007, 08:39:54 am
Seems to me that Coleman should rank below Jimmy Bartollota for certain, and also below Chris Rose and Jake Weitzen from NESCAC.  I can understand the NESCAC guys because the conference already has three reps, but Bartollota is clearly the top returning guy in the NEWMAC (his stats were unreal last year despite I'm sure being the focus of every defense).  If MIT had a stronger supporting cast (which they might this year if a few guys who took hiatus return, plus I believe they had conf. rookie of year last year) perhaps he would get more pub ... in any event, it's the end of the year that counts.  Should be an interesting year at NEWMAC, with a lot of balance at the top but no one likely in the same league as Brandeis and the top NESCAC / Little East squads. 
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: hugenerd on November 07, 2007, 11:46:58 pm
MeOak21,
Hugenerd,

   I'm not sure about Coleman's ranking, but I can say its very rare  that a player who missed a season (can you elaborate on the reason - injury, grades, etc) would be placed on a preseason All-America listing.

  Your right about it being an honor, but now Coleman and each player listed there must live up to the expectations of that honor.

Johnson missed the year do to some sort of sabbatical (religous or otherwise).  He was actually named to the sporting news preseason all-america team (the only representative from the NEWMAC) this year despite last years absence.

Seems to me that Coleman should rank below Jimmy Bartollota for certain, and also below Chris Rose and Jake Weitzen from NESCAC.  I can understand the NESCAC guys because the conference already has three reps, but Bartollota is clearly the top returning guy in the NEWMAC (his stats were unreal last year despite I'm sure being the focus of every defense).  If MIT had a stronger supporting cast (which they might this year if a few guys who took hiatus return, plus I believe they had conf. rookie of year last year) perhaps he would get more pub ... in any event, it's the end of the year that counts.  Should be an interesting year at NEWMAC, with a lot of balance at the top but no one likely in the same league as Brandeis and the top NESCAC / Little East squads. 

I agree with the evaluation of Bartollota, but since they dont play the exact same position, I dont think they would be in competition for a spot against eachother.  Bartollota's numbers last year were the best in the conference hands down and if he had a better team he definitely would have won more awards.  As for MIT as a team, they have some people back but again have lost a key piece.  From what I hear, and from the posted roster on the website, it seems like the returning FOY, Bracht, is taking the year off.  They do get Soumare back from study abroad, who is a much better athlete and defender than Bracht, but not as good an offensive basketball player.  Mroz is also back this year, after leaving the team half way through the year last year and Gampel, who started when he played last year, should be back healthy. They also have a couple promising freshman, although I do not know if they are in the class of the freshman that a team like WPI might get, we will have to wait and see.  I think where MIT is going to be hurt the most is in the post.  They have no big men with real experience.  Soumare didnt play last year and another one of their big men, Bagley, hasnt played in two years (when he was a freshman).  All the other post players either dont play much or are freshman.  That is why they will really miss the absence of Bracht. 
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 08, 2007, 03:19:25 pm
My understanding is Prebeck is a 4 and Coleman is a 3. Those two weren't really compared head to head.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: clarkie on November 08, 2007, 05:08:43 pm
There has been a lot of talk about WPI and some about MIT, but I wanted to see if anyone knew anything about Clark. It looks like the Cougars' roster has been posted and though there is a not a lot of information posted about the new players (both freshman and transfers from what I have heard), they do have Mark Alexander who was Second Team All-NEWMAC as a freshman and Peter Normandin who is tough in the post.

Has anyone heard anything substantial? Would love to hear.

Looking forward to some good games this year for my Cougars.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: hugenerd on November 09, 2007, 01:19:49 am
My understanding is Prebeck is a 4 and Coleman is a 3. Those two weren't really compared head to head.

Well, in that case, there are a lot better 3s out there than Coleman, Bartollota being one of them. There are a lot of guys who put up 12 points and 6 boards per game (in an average conference).  I thought he was considered a 4 because he led the team in rebounding last year (obviously not a great criteria) and he seemed to match up with opponents post players on D.  My guess is that another 12 point, 6 rebound season wont get him on the season ending all-american team.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 09, 2007, 01:27:51 am
Sure. But a preseason team isn't about how they played last year as much as how we expect them to play this year.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: hugenerd on November 09, 2007, 01:50:41 am
Sure. But a preseason team isn't about how they played last year as much as how we expect them to play this year.

What metric do you use to judge the upcoming season other than the previous year.  It seems like the only applicable data.  In that case, what makes the voters (or whoever makes these decisions) think that a guy like Bartollota wont go for 21 ppg, 9 rpg, 2 spg, 1 bpg, etc. again this year?  According to the argument you gave for Coleman, these numbers should only go up.  Actually, since Coleman is a 3 and so is Bartollota (although he handles the ball alot), we can compare these two head to head.  Bartollota was at or above Coleman in EVERY statistical category (FG% 48-48, 3P% 38-32, FT% 87-62, RPG 8.7-6.4, APG 4.3-2.7, SPG 1.9-1.2, BPG 1.0-1.0, PPG 21.2-12.1).  Anyway, this isnt going to change anything, but I thought I would bring it up anyway.

I also dont understand the logic behind "expecting" a player to play that much better this year than last year.  What do you guys go by if not by last years stats? Do you have scouts at practices and scrimmages?  Do you go by word of mouth?  I ask this sincerely, because I would truly like to understand.  The only major advantage I see in favor of Coleman is the success of his team, but you would think individual achievement would play some role in the decision making for an individual award.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: heythere on November 09, 2007, 09:44:07 am
someone from wpi most be voting for this, last year it was cain  and now coleman????
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 09, 2007, 10:10:17 am
No nominations from MIT.

That actually drew a four-letter word  from someone on our staff, someone who isn't known for such. But we can't hand-hold schools. No way to make sure every worthy player is nominated.

Hugenerd: Just a reminder as to why Bartolotta isn't in the pipeline for preseason honors. It's all one set of nominations, and though we try to make sure we get the missing pieces the following preseason, it isn't a replacement for getting the nominations in in March.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: hugenerd on November 09, 2007, 12:20:52 pm
No nominations from MIT.

That actually drew a four-letter word  from someone on our staff, someone who isn't known for such. But we can't hand-hold schools. No way to make sure every worthy player is nominated.

Hugenerd: Just a reminder as to why Bartolotta isn't in the pipeline for preseason honors. It's all one set of nominations, and though we try to make sure we get the missing pieces the following preseason, it isn't a replacement for getting the nominations in in March.

I remember that, I didnt realize it was based on the same nominations. 
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 09, 2007, 07:45:50 pm
Well, we try to fill in the pieces, but yeah.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: pridefan on November 11, 2007, 10:03:27 am

first time poster, but veteran reader....

Springfield has had 2 scrimmages now ( Western Conn and Union).  Hard to tell much other than a very solid, balanced starting 5 who can all score and are unselfish - can't just stop them by stopping one person. Better balance than last year.

Lost Pizzo (fiery career assists leader) and Farley (shooter, rebounder).

Starters seem to be
5- Strawson ( Jr, strong - tough to move, draws fouls very well, can score )
4 - Daly ( Sr, versatile inside/outside, tough matchup - shoots 3, posts up )
3 - Crean (Soph, quick, shooter, passer, rebounds)
2- Blackmon (Soph, shooter, slasher, 3ball )
1 - Gibbs ( Sr, very quick w dribble, drives hard, passer/unselfish, nice shot)

Bench has a lot of new faces - good backup at point (White) but rest are mostly young - some show talent and promise.

FYI, Western Conn is athletic but small and relies on 3ball to compete.  Union is very small and also relies on outside shot outside shot.
Title: Re: Friday Scores
Post by: JustAFan on November 16, 2007, 10:28:32 pm
Clark beats Suffolk in its opener, 85-71, at the Rogers Williams tournament.

Connecticut College surprises Babson, 52-50, down at Drew University and plays Bates tomorrow, which lost to St. Lawrence by 9 tonight.

WPI beats Nichols College 101-80 in the Worcester City tip-off tournament.  Next up is Worcester State, which beat Becker College.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: JustAFan on November 17, 2007, 09:09:19 pm
WPI rolled over Worcester State 93-64 in the finals of the City tip-off tournament. WPI was only up 47-40 at the half but dominated second half action and found good minutes for all of its bench for the second game in a row.

Clark U dropped its first game to host Roger Williams, 83-79 in the finals of RW's tournament.  Clark led 45-41 at the half, which saw both teams shoot 55%. Clark cooled off to a very respectable 46% in the 2d half but Roger Williams continued to shoot lights out at a 55% clip in the second half to improve its record to 2-0. Clark only went to the line 5 times in the entire game compare to RW's 15. The refs must have had a late dinner reservation in Newport....
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: All-around on November 18, 2007, 07:16:27 pm
How good is Wheaton this year. Saw they started off pretty well with wins over Norwich and Plymouth?
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: hugenerd on November 20, 2007, 02:23:43 pm
MIT had 1-1 weekend, with a tough loss Western Conn. on Saturday and a win at Emmanuel on Sunday.  A few nice individual performances were put in:  Dou Soumare had double-doubles in both games and averaged 16 points, 13 rebounds, and 2 blocks; Billy Johnson had a 24 point effort on saturday; and, Jimmy B. put up 24 p, 9 r, 5 a, and 2 s on saturday, followed by 31 p, 6 r, and 3 a on Sunday (for the weekend he averaged 27.5 ppg, 7.5 rbg, and 4 apg). 

MIT plays on the road at Curry tonight.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: hugenerd on November 20, 2007, 09:04:16 pm
MIT beat Curry College tonight 101-77.

Jimmy Bartolotta had a career high (I believe) of 38 points (16-21 from the field), in addition to 5 rebounds and 9 assists (with only 1 turnover). That leaves him 2 points shy of 1000 for his career, 3 games into his junior season.  (He is averaging 31 ppg so far this season, Antoine Coleman, a preseason all-american playing the same position, is averaging 13.5 ppg).  Also in double figures were Alex Bagley (13), Dou Soumare (11), and Billy Johnson (10).
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: goldenpipes on November 21, 2007, 07:49:33 am
Emerson 89, Babson 77 from the Lions Den in Boston.

Tom Messinger hit 8 three pointers on his way to a game-high 28 points to lead the Lions to their first win over the Beavers in school history. Emerson had four other score double figures: Bryan Rouse (15), Jeremy Shannon (15), Will Dawkins (13, 7 A) and Ben Chase (11).

The Lions opened up an eleven point lead at the half (41-28) and opened it up with a 13-2 run over a four minute span in the second half to seal the deal. Emerson led by as many as 25 late second half.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 21, 2007, 06:53:07 pm
MIT beat Curry College tonight 101-77.

Jimmy Bartolotta had a career high (I believe) of 38 points (16-21 from the field), in addition to 5 rebounds and 9 assists (with only 1 turnover). That leaves him 2 points shy of 1000 for his career, 3 games into his junior season.  (He is averaging 31 ppg so far this season, Antoine Coleman, a preseason all-american playing the same position, is averaging 13.5 ppg).  Also in double figures were Alex Bagley (13), Dou Soumare (11), and Billy Johnson (10).

Isn't Coleman a power forward? Also, isn't he playing 24 minutes per game in WPI's new system compared to Bartolotta's 36 minutes?

That's a fairly limited (aka biased) analysis for someone with such a fancy calculator on his profile. :)

And no, Coleman is not related.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: hugenerd on November 21, 2007, 10:27:39 pm
Pat,

I agree that he is a power forward, but you are the one that told me that he was a small forward when we were discussing the preseason all-american decisions.

My understanding is Prebeck is a 4 and Coleman is a 3. Those two weren't really compared head to head.

Well, in that case, there are a lot better 3s out there than Coleman, Bartollota being one of them. There are a lot of guys who put up 12 points and 6 boards per game (in an average conference).  I thought he was considered a 4 because he led the team in rebounding last year (obviously not a great criteria) and he seemed to match up with opponents post players on D.  My guess is that another 12 point, 6 rebound season wont get him on the season ending all-american team.

I also noticed the minutes played.  My comments were meant to be a bit sarcastic, which I know is difficult to convey through these messages.  That said, Bartolotta is head and shoulders better than any player in the NEWMAC.  You put him on any of those teams and he would put up huge numbers in every statistical and intangible category, not just a few.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 21, 2007, 10:40:50 pm
Right -- I knew they were different positions but forgot who was which.

I think MIT is going to work to get your guy a little more pub this year.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: hugenerd on November 21, 2007, 11:15:03 pm
It will also help that he has a few more guys around him this year, so the team should be a bit more successful.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: JustAFan on November 22, 2007, 12:15:57 am
Host Lasell upset WPI last night 95-86 in a shootout. Lasell was led by its two guards, with Jamie Crawford leading the way with a whopping 43 points on an unconscious 15-18 from the field (5-7 on treys) while Dwayne Powell had 15 points and Jose Guitian had 14 rebounds.  Lasell was up by 2 at the half after both teams shot very well (52% by WPI and 47% by Lasell) but in the second half Lasell shot a lights-out 68% from the field (67% from three-land) while WPI went stone cold  and only shot 28% but still managed to keep it a 9 point game. WPI had 4 players in double figures. The Engineers have been winning so far based on their high octane offense but they're going to need to learn to play some defense against the better teams, starting this Sunday afternoon when they host Salem State.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: heythere on November 22, 2007, 12:34:43 pm
It will also help that he has a few more guys around him this year, so the team should be a bit more successful.

MIT team is the basically the same as last year, they lost bracht 6'5 post who was the roy and there sr shooter but got back soumare a 6'7 post
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: hugenerd on November 23, 2007, 06:35:58 pm
It will also help that he has a few more guys around him this year, so the team should be a bit more successful.

MIT team is the basically the same as last year, they lost bracht 6'5 post who was the roy and there sr shooter but got back soumare a 6'7 post

False,

The second half of last season they had only 7 players due to injury/leave of absence.  That means they couldnt even practice 5 on 5.  They didnt have Gampel, Johnson, or Mroz for most or all of the 2nd half.  In addition to Soumare, who is a much better defender and rebounder than bracht and looks to have vastly improved his offensive game, they have those 3 guys back, plus a couple of other bigger guys and freshman.  One reason Bracht put up big numbes last year is due to the fact that he was the only post guy they had and played nearly 40 minutes every game.  He was backed up by Koryan, who i think is only about 6'0" (regadless of what the roster says).  They will miss the presence of a couple of guys who decided not to play this year, but there is no doubt that they are much deaper and much better.

So next time, before you make a comment without knowing what you are talking about, maybe you should do some more research other than looking at the heights of players on the roster.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: hugenerd on November 23, 2007, 06:39:57 pm
Host Lasell upset WPI last night 95-86 in a shootout. Lasell was led by its two guards, with Jamie Crawford leading the way with a whopping 43 points on an unconscious 15-18 from the field (5-7 on treys) while Dwayne Powell had 15 points and Jose Guitian had 14 rebounds.  Lasell was up by 2 at the half after both teams shot very well (52% by WPI and 47% by Lasell) but in the second half Lasell shot a lights-out 68% from the field (67% from three-land) while WPI went stone cold  and only shot 28% but still managed to keep it a 9 point game. WPI had 4 players in double figures. The Engineers have been winning so far based on their high octane offense but they're going to need to learn to play some defense against the better teams, starting this Sunday afternoon when they host Salem State.

Coleman stepped up big with 13 points on 10 shots and 4 rebounds.  I am ready to submit my POY vote right now.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 23, 2007, 06:55:28 pm
People were willing to judge based on one weekend of games last year too. Thankfully the season is more like 25 games than three.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: hugenerd on November 24, 2007, 07:18:06 pm
Congratulations to Jimmy Bartollota for scoring his 1000th career point today.  He ended up with 22 points (1020 in his career),  6 assists, 4 rebounds, 3 steals and a block in 26 minutes of action.  MIT cruised to an 83-51 win and moves to 3-1 on the season.  Billy Johnson also had a big game with 21 points and Dou Soumare chipped in 11 points and 7 rebounds.

MIT next faces Gordon on Tuesday.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: hugenerd on November 24, 2007, 07:31:02 pm
People were willing to judge based on one weekend of games last year too. Thankfully the season is more like 25 games than three.

No, last year they didnt have to judge based on one weekend.  Coleman averaged about that for the whole season (12 ppg and 6 rpg), yet he still was able to rake in all types of awards.  The game he had against Lasell would have been an average game for him last year.  My point is that if he can be a preseason all-american on 12 and 6 last year, then he is having just as "prolific" a year this season and there is no reason to think he shouldnt receive similar accolades this season.  I wasnt trying to offend you, Pat, just trying to make a point.  I'll drop the topic until the end of the season, because I feel there has been plenty said to this point.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 25, 2007, 02:24:12 am
People were judging our selection of Ryan Cain last year, however, hugenerd. Try to follow.
Title: Re: WPI over Salem State
Post by: JustAFan on November 25, 2007, 08:04:36 pm
WPI beat Salem State by 3 this afternoon 100-97in a game of runs.  Salem State had the ball down by one with 35 seconds to go but 6-9 WPI center Ryan Bourque blocked a Salem State drive to the hoop, WPI converted a couple of foul shots to go up by 3 with 7 seconds to go and Salem State's final shot was way off the mark.

Both teams showed a lot of resiliency in today's game that bodes well for the rest of the season.  Salem State ran out to a 15 point lead, 30-15, with 12 minutes to go in the first half, thanks to some great fast break basketball and some dumb WPI fouls as Salem State was finishing on the break. WPI regrouped after a timeout and stormed back to take the lead by 4 with 4 minutes left on the strength of some lights-out 3 point shooting from 6-4 sophomore Ben Parker. Salem State came back to tie the score at 53 at the half, and then jumped out by 6 to start the second half, only to see WPI come back and build its own 15 point lead with 12 minutes to go in the game. This time it was Salem State's turn to come back, and they did thanks to some great shooting from junior guard Stevie Celestin.  The last 5 minutes of the game were back and forth, with WPI senior Antoine Coleman really stepping up and making clutch basket after clutch basket.

This was my first chance to see both teams play and I expect to see both playing in the post-season.  Salem State is very athletic and quick, and they've got a bunch of kids who can create their own shot.  They love to press and run, as does WPI, but Salem State has the much better press--WPI presses to dictate tempo, while Salem State not only does it to push tempo but it also creates a lot of steals from its pressure. Ramon Cruz, Marquis Victor, Celestin, Alex Finn  and Nick Tokarski give Salem a strong and deep backcourt, and Rawleigh Preaster, Jeremy Taft and Dylan Holmes are strong up front.  Five of these kids are seniors, and their experience shows.

WPI is a fairly young team and comes at you in waves.  Coach Chris Bartley plays 11-12 kids, and rotates a fresh five every minute and  a half, sometimes every minute.  It's press and run and play man to man D for 90 seconds, and then take a break. He's got the depth to do this but it's difficult for his outside shooters to get into a rhythm when they're being yanked in and out, and the results are some streaky shooting from outside as well as some bouts of very sloppy play. Parker is a very impressive shooter and he has some good hops and hits the boards well.  He'd benefit offensively if he had more time on the court to get into the flow of the game. Same for Jim Marois and NY Izuchi, WPI's other two outside threats.  WPI has 2 freshmen in the rotation, 5-9 point guard Kyle Nadeau, who shows promise but is still getting used to the speed and intensity of the college game, and 6-2 forward Ben Etten, who is strong, athletic, plays with a lot of poise for a freshman and bangs inside with confidence.  To Coach Bartley's credit, he stuck with both of them today and let both play thru the inevitable freshmen mistakes. Salem State didn't wilt from the WPI pressure, but the tempo did cause them to begin to create some cheap fouls in the second half that got their big men in trouble and opened the door for WPI to take the lead.

WPI improves to 3-1 and Salem State drops to 2-1.  WPI is averaging over 90 points a game thru its first 4 games.

Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: pridefan on November 26, 2007, 07:15:06 am
I haven't seen WPI play yet this year, but I'm surprised that they've given up over 80 points in 3 of 4 games.  Postings refer to playing 11 or 12 guys and letting freshman get their PT - is this just early season lineup juggling or is defense going to be their issue this year?

They're putting up points but without defense ( especially against 3ball ) they'll get hurt eventually.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 26, 2007, 10:17:05 am
It's a product of the system they're playing, similar to what Grinnell and Emory and Henry run, though not a precise copy.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: hugenerd on November 27, 2007, 08:54:18 pm
MIT beat previously unbeaten Gordon College tonight 66-44.  MIT held Gordon to 30% shooting and no one scored in double figures for GC. 

MIT was again led by Jimmy B., with 23 pts (8-12 FG, 4-5 3PFG), 8 rebounds, 8 assists, 3 steals, and 2 blocks in 27 minutes.  Will Mroz had a nice game, with a season high 17 points, while Billy Johnson chipped in with 10 points and Dou Soumare added 15 rebounds and 5 blocks.  MIT improves to 4-1, while Gordon drops to 3-1.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: clarkie on November 27, 2007, 11:16:16 pm
Does Will Mroz have a PhD yet? I played against him when I was at Clark...or does he have a brother?

Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: hugenerd on November 28, 2007, 12:38:49 am
He is a senior. I dont know when you played at Clark, but this is his 4th year at MIT.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: hugenerd on November 28, 2007, 10:00:28 pm
WPI lost a close game at Elms tonight 85-80.  Elms led by 13 at the half, but WPI cut it to 1 point by the 10 minute mark. Unfortunately, Elms then went on a 10 run and led by double figures until a WPI run in the last two minutes made the final margin 5.

On a brighter note, Antoine Coleman finally got it going a bit, scoring over 14 points for the first time this season, with 23.  WPI's 4 other starters scored a combined 9 points.  Ben Etten and Jerome Kirkland added 19 and 15 points, respectively, off the bench.   
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: heythere on November 28, 2007, 10:06:13 pm
wpi has lost to lasell and elms already this year, thats not a good sign.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: goldenpipes on November 28, 2007, 10:47:02 pm
Elms has made the NCAA's three years in a row - Ed Silva's team is vastly underrated because the play in the NAC - same goes for Lasell who made it to the NCAA's two years in a row before the three year run for Elms.

Lasell will be a top competitor in the GNAC....maybe it's time to stop underestimating these teams vs. the NEWMAC and others.

Emerson beat Babson last week - another win for GNAC vs. NEWMAC....some of the NEWMAC teams are down a bit but I think teams like Elms, Emerson, and Lasell have beaten or have played these teams close every season for 3-5 years.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: heythere on November 28, 2007, 11:07:33 pm
Elms has made the NCAA's three years in a row - Ed Silva's team is vastly underrated because the play in the NAC - same goes for Lasell who made it to the NCAA's two years in a row before the three year run for Elms.

Lasell will be a top competitor in the GNAC....maybe it's time to stop underestimating these teams vs. the NEWMAC and others.

Emerson beat Babson last week - another win for GNAC vs. NEWMAC....some of the NEWMAC teams are down a bit but I think teams like Elms, Emerson, and Lasell have beaten or have played these teams close every season for 3-5 years.

i wasnt taking anything away from elms, they are a good team and have won 20 plus games for the last couple of years, but wpi was suppose to be a top 20 team. it looks like it will be a real battle for the newmac this title this year
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: hugenerd on November 29, 2007, 12:06:15 am
I think Coast Guard is the clear favorite to win it this year.  They havent really played anyone yet, but with the return of Craig Johnson they have the best front-court in the newmac and have some pretty solid guards to back them up.  They have a pretty fearsome foursome in C. Johnson (21 ppg), Prebeck (16 ppg), Sowers (14 ppg), and G. Johnson (10 ppg).  There are obviously some teams that can compete with CGA, but in my opinion they have the best combination of experience and talent, at least within the starting 5.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: JustAFan on November 29, 2007, 12:19:18 am
Elms shot a lights-out 57% in tonight's game vs WPI, and over 60% in the first half when they built a 13 point halftime lead.  However, I dont know much of that was attributable to poor WPI defense rather than great shooting. WPI freshman Ben Etten had 19 points and 5 assists in 23 minutes of PT but NT Izuchi, who shot very well Sunday against Salem State, went 0-8 tonight, all from 3-land.  I'd like to see WPI get Jim Marois and Ben Parker much more involved in the offense, and also get Parker more minutes.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: hugenerd on November 29, 2007, 08:02:38 pm
MIT won a pretty comfortable game tonight against Endicott.  MIT led by as many as 32 in the first half and ended up winning by 21.

Dou Soumare impressed me the most tonight, with 22 points, 16 rebounds (9 offensive), and 5 steals.  He really showed that his offensive game has improved and capped it off with a pretty impresive two-handed jam late in the second half.  Jimmy B  added 26 points, 6 boards, 3 assists, 3 steals and a block.  MIT plays next on Saturday at Tufts.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: goldenpipes on November 29, 2007, 09:53:33 pm
Emerson 84-63 over Wheaton. Lions finally top the Lyons....any game details?
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: hugenerd on December 01, 2007, 05:28:35 pm
MIT lost to Tufts today.  Jimmy Bartolotta had an injury and only played 19 minutes, but still scored 18 points.  Tough game for the Engineers.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: goldenpipes on December 01, 2007, 05:42:04 pm
what happened to Jimmy B? Serious?
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Agent_Zero on December 01, 2007, 05:55:55 pm
jimmy b was caught up in a tangle of bodies underneath the basket early in the first half and appeared to catch an elbow in the head. he was on the floor for a few minutes before being helped off. he sat out for a few minutes but re-entered the game. he was also in serious foul trouble, picking up 3 in the first half and his fourth early in the second. all those, combined with great d from ryan okeefe contributed to his low out put. and the engineers had no answer for pierce in the second half where he poured in 14 of his game high 18. all the shots he missed in the first half fell for him in the second. great win by tufts, hopefully a sign they are turning the corner
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: goldenpipes on December 01, 2007, 07:45:59 pm
thanks for the update zero.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 03, 2007, 02:32:40 pm
wpi was suppose to be a top 20 team.

... according to whom?
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: hugenerd on December 04, 2007, 12:04:37 am
wpi was suppose to be a top 20 team.

... according to whom?

Must be the same people that voted Antoine Coleman an All-American!

(sorry Pat, I couldnt help myself)
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: pridefan on December 04, 2007, 10:40:38 pm
springfield played great D holding Trinity to 30% from field.  Pride held the lead  since 4 mins into the game. Closest Trinity got was when they clawed back from 10 down to only 2 but then springfield pushed it back up to 6 and held on down the stretch.

If Pride can start hitting their shots then their defense will serve them very well. 
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: hugenerd on December 04, 2007, 10:53:20 pm
springfield played great D holding Trinity to 30% from field.  Pride held the lead  since 4 mins into the game. Closest Trinity got was when they clawed back from 10 down to only 2 but then springfield pushed it back up to 6 and held on down the stretch.

If Pride can start hitting their shots then their defense will serve them very well. 

Thats a great win for Springfield and also for the NEWMAC.  More wins like that (especially over NESCAC teams) would go along way in getting the NEWMAC more respect in the Northeast.  MIT has a similar showdown with Amherst on Thursday.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: pridefan on December 04, 2007, 11:05:07 pm
Pride play Williams this coming Saturday so another matchup against the nescac.  Williams is rated #8 but their early schedule seems weak.  Anybody seen them play and are they legit #8 given their weak schedule??

Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: hugenerd on December 04, 2007, 11:07:56 pm
MIT went onto beat WNEC tonight 71-57 as the Engineers improved to 6-2 on the season.  Leading the way was Jimmy B. with 29 points (12-20 fg, 4-7 3fg), 8 rebounds, and 8 assists (as well as 2 blocks and 2 steals).  Dou Soumare again put up big numbers, with 12 points, 18 rebounds (8 offensive), 2 blocks and 2 steals. Chipping in were Billy Johnson and Daniel McCue with 10 points a piece.

WNEC is a common opponent of MIT and Amhest, who play eachother this Thursday.  Both teams won by similar margins (14 and 12, respectively).  The game is at Amherst.

Through 8 games this season, Jimmy B. is averaging 26.4 ppg, 6 rpg, 5.3 apg, 2.1 spg, and 0.9 bpg.  In that span he has shot 60% from the field, 59.5% from 3, and 80.5 from the free throw line (in 31 minutes per game). Through week 2 (takes into account 7 of first 8 games), he ranks as follows in the NEWMAC: ppg:1, rbg: 12, FG%: 5, apg: 3, FT%: 3, spg: 6, 3FG%: 1, 3FGM: 2, bpg: 9, A/T: 8, minutes: 8.  He is ranked in the top 12 in every category reported except for offensive rebounds.
Title: Re: Clark and WPI
Post by: JustAFan on December 04, 2007, 11:37:15 pm
Clark led Brandeis 38-36 at the half tonight but the Judges outscored Clark by 13 in the second half en route to a 82-71 win tonight in Worcester. Clark got a good effort from its big men, Pat Landers and Peter Normandin, but it needs to find some more consistent scoring and better shooting (7 for 27 from 3-land) from its backcourt. Terrell Hollins led a balanced Brandeis attack with 21 points on 10-13 shooting.

Across town WPI annililated host UMass-Boston 89-39 tonight, its second big win in a row after Sunday's surprisingly easy 105-67 win over a previously undefeated Fitchburg State team.  Of course, it helps when you shoot 75% from 3-land in the first half (9-12) and 69% overall in the first half (20-29) against Fitchburg.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: clarkie on December 05, 2007, 10:30:01 am
Though it wasn't a victory, I am happy to see Clark holding its own against such a highly regarded team. Hopefully Clark's young team can continue to push forward and win some big games down the stretch of the season.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 05, 2007, 08:48:50 pm
wpi was suppose to be a top 20 team.

... according to whom?

Must be the same people that voted Antoine Coleman an All-American!

(sorry Pat, I couldnt help myself)

Yeah, since it's entirely inaccurate. WPI was not in our preseason Top 25.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: hugenerd on December 05, 2007, 11:39:20 pm
wpi was suppose to be a top 20 team.

... according to whom?

Must be the same people that voted Antoine Coleman an All-American!

(sorry Pat, I couldnt help myself)

Yeah, since it's entirely inaccurate. WPI was not in our preseason Top 25.

You are right, but they appear to have been a close #26 so I am sure at least a couple of voters had them around 20.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: hugenerd on December 06, 2007, 07:45:41 pm
MIT lead Amherst 34-26 at the half at Amherst.  Jimmy Bartolotta has 16 points and 3 boards in the half.  Andrew Olsen, Amherst's All-American, has 2 assists and 5 turnovers (according to the radio broadcast).
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: hugenerd on December 06, 2007, 08:29:53 pm
MIT down 2 with 31 seconds to go.

I believe Jimmy B. has 27 points.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: hugenerd on December 06, 2007, 08:33:25 pm
Bartolotta get injured with 15 seconds left, MIT still down 2.
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Post by: hugenerd on December 06, 2007, 08:36:06 pm
Final Score: Amherst 66- MIT 60

Amherst hit 4 FTs in the last 15 seconds.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: hugenerd on December 06, 2007, 08:38:35 pm
With regards to Jimmy B's injury, the announcers made it seem pretty bad.  Luckily for Jimmy and MIT, they only have one game between now and January 3.  So he will likely only miss one game (if it is a sprained ankle, as the announcers said it was).

MIT ended up shooting 34.5% from the field in the second half and just 23% from 3.  They just didnt make enough shots to win, but they definitely had the opportunity.  I hope this game gives Jimmy B. some of the exposure and credit he deserves.  (According to the announcers) he faced double and triple teams all of the second half and still put up 27 points, 6 rebounds and 5 assists.  He had a below average night from the 3 point line, especially in the second half, shooting just 2-8 overall.  The 3 he missed with 17 seconds left (right before he got hurt) could have given MIT the lead. 
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: JustAFan on December 06, 2007, 10:33:07 pm
Fitchburg State (5-1) bounced back from this weekend's loss to WPI to defeat Clark tonight, 106-96.  Clark's 3 frontcourt players (Normandin, Landers and Alexander) scored 18, 14 and 23 points but the most any of them played tonight was 24 minutes, in part due to foul trouble for Alexander and Normandin. It's not Coach Phillips style, but I wonder how Clark would do this year with a shorter bench and less of a rotation, and a focus on getting its best players on the court as much as possible. These 3 guys could carry this team with more minutes.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: clarkie on December 07, 2007, 12:23:06 am
I think part of Coach Phillips' reasoning tonight in playing all 13 players on his roster was to prove a point. He used to do this when I played. If his starters were making ridiculous mistakes or were not playing hard, he had no problem not only making a point by kidding the 12th and 13th guy off the bench in but to also acknowledge the hard work that they do day in and day out. It's a tough loss for the Cougars, but I think this all could get them in a necessary rhythm for their upcoming holiday tournament and conference play.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: hugenerd on December 07, 2007, 10:16:10 pm
Everyone should check out the Insider article by Jimmy B on the front page if they havent done so already.  Its nice to have someone representing the NEWMAC and MIT.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: JustAFan on December 11, 2007, 10:39:41 pm
MIT loses to undefeated (7-0) Emerson tonight 91-81 according to the Emerson website.  No box score posted yet.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: hugenerd on December 11, 2007, 11:07:24 pm
Jimmy B scored 30 points on 12-19 shooting.  Billy Johnson had a double-double before fouling out. MIT outrebounded Emerson 42-12. However, MIT couldnt overcome the refs.  Their starting center, Dou Soumare fouled out in 9 minutes as MIT was called for 13 more fouls and Emerson shot 38 FTs to MITs 16.  The game was played at Emerson.  Emerson had 6 players score in double figures, but only one of those players score more than 10 points on FGs.  Tough game for MIT to go into the break on, they dont play again until after new years.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: goldenpipes on December 11, 2007, 11:50:54 pm
Jimmy B scored 30 points on 12-19 shooting.  Billy Johnson had a double-double before fouling out. MIT outrebounded Emerson 42-12. However, MIT couldnt overcome the refs.  Their starting center, Dou Soumare fouled out in 9 minutes as MIT was called for 13 more fouls and Emerson shot 38 FTs to MITs 16.  The game was played at Emerson.  Emerson had 6 players score in double figures, but only one of those players score more than 10 points on FGs.  Tough game for MIT to go into the break on, they dont play again until after new years.

I think that's a misrepresentation of the game that was played tonight. I thought Emerson outplayed MIT and won the game. The Lions led by 11 in the 1st half and by as many as 16 in the 2nd. The Lions played their usual brand of tough D that MIT couldn't answer tonight. Soumare fouled out pretty fast, but the calls I saw were legit, especially the 5th foul when he collided with Joe Boylan. MIT started to foul intentionally with 2:02 left in the 2nd half to try to cut the deficit - 10 of those attempts were accrued at the end. Jimmy B, Gampel, and Mroz were very good as usual but Emerson won with contributions across the board - six in double figures led by Ben Chase with 23.

Where did the 42-12 figure come from on the glass? 
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: hugenerd on December 12, 2007, 02:04:09 am
Jimmy B scored 30 points on 12-19 shooting.  Billy Johnson had a double-double before fouling out. MIT outrebounded Emerson 42-12. However, MIT couldnt overcome the refs.  Their starting center, Dou Soumare fouled out in 9 minutes as MIT was called for 13 more fouls and Emerson shot 38 FTs to MITs 16.  The game was played at Emerson.  Emerson had 6 players score in double figures, but only one of those players score more than 10 points on FGs.  Tough game for MIT to go into the break on, they dont play again until after new years.

I think that's a misrepresentation of the game that was played tonight. I thought Emerson outplayed MIT and won the game. The Lions led by 11 in the 1st half and by as many as 16 in the 2nd. The Lions played their usual brand of tough D that MIT couldn't answer tonight. Soumare fouled out pretty fast, but the calls I saw were legit, especially the 5th foul when he collided with Joe Boylan. MIT started to foul intentionally with 2:02 left in the 2nd half to try to cut the deficit - 10 of those attempts were accrued at the end. Jimmy B, Gampel, and Mroz were very good as usual but Emerson won with contributions across the board - six in double figures led by Ben Chase with 23.

Where did the 42-12 figure come from on the glass? 

From the boxscore:
http://www.emerson.edu/athletics/men/basketball/upload/Emerson-91-MIT-81.pdf

I am having trouble  understanding how a team is +30 in rebounds (nearly quadrupling the other teams total) and shoots 53% from the floor and doesnt win (other than the fact that Emerson was +21 points at the line).

If I was the home team I would think the refs are great also.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: hugenerd on December 12, 2007, 02:15:04 am
I was looking over the boxscore and game summary and I guess MIT did have alot of turnovers; however, only 6 of the free throws were in the last 2.5 minutes (not 10) when MIT was intentionally fouling.  So that is still +10 in fouls and -26 in FTs.  Tough to overcome.  Maybe some of those turnovers were uncalled fouls? Maybe not, Im just throwing out a possible theory.

Jimmy B also set the MIT school record for 30 point games in a career tonight with his 9th.  Also, in the new NEWMAC stats that came out today, he is ranked first in both scoring and assists and top 10 in every other category. Dou Soumare is #1 in the conference in blocks and rebounding (you dont do that playing 9 minutes a game).
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: clarkie on December 12, 2007, 09:12:02 am
I saw Dou Soumare play two years ago, and though I commend him for being a tremendous athlete, he does not play basketball like a basketball player. In the game I remember, at MIT, he slide tackled two Clark players and did eventually foul out. I recognize this was his freshman year, but it does not surprise me that he is continuing to foul out in a short period of time.

MIT's coach is always a class act, and was the first to take Soumare out and yell at him for his tactics that game.

Just my two cents...
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: All-around on December 12, 2007, 02:48:19 pm
I find it displeasing to see so many people trying to justify the MIT loss. Now given the rebound discrepency was huge and so were the fouls. But a win is a win and a loss is a loss. Also MIT did recieve 30 pts from Jimmy B. Give some credit to an undersized emerson squad. I have seen them a couple times each year--have yet to this year but they always seem to force teams with bigger guys to play down to them. Some credit is due to EC.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: clarkie on December 12, 2007, 04:22:01 pm
I love the idea of both teams having success...Emerson (known for its outstanding communication and theater program) and MIT (known for being outstanding in general, but specifically math and engineering) are both the non-traditional schools to be doing so well in athletics. Yet, it says so much about division III athletics. And this is coming from a Clark alum (known for its liberalness). MIT fans have to remember that as disappointing as it was, it was early season, non-conference game. It should not burst their bubble should they not win the NEWMAC if they are in fact in contention for an at-large bid.

Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: nescac1 on December 12, 2007, 05:37:36 pm
With four out of conference losses already, MIT would almost certainly need to win the NEWMAC to get a bid -- New England out of conference bids figure to be ridiculously competitive this year.  Brandeis (if they don't win the UAA), 3-4 NESCAC teams, and 2-3 LEC teams are all likely to post very gaudy records (indeed, most of NESCAC at this point only has 0-2 losses) in tough conferences, not to mention teams like Emerson. Wheaton and Coast Guard that are putting up tons of early season wins and all have only 0-1 losses so far.  I would bet that other than Brandeis or a NESCAC school, no one from New England with more than four losses will have any kind of shot at an at large this year.  Even four may be pushing it in a year like this. 
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: hugenerd on December 13, 2007, 01:54:33 am
I saw Dou Soumare play two years ago, and though I commend him for being a tremendous athlete, he does not play basketball like a basketball player. In the game I remember, at MIT, he slide tackled two Clark players and did eventually foul out. I recognize this was his freshman year, but it does not surprise me that he is continuing to foul out in a short period of time.

He was averaging 29 mpg before that game.

MIT's coach is always a class act, and was the first to take Soumare out and yell at him for his tactics that game.

Agreed, he is a great coach.  He had a winning record last year with effectively 7 players total (they couldnt practive 5 v 5).
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: hugenerd on December 13, 2007, 01:56:26 am
With four out of conference losses already, MIT would almost certainly need to win the NEWMAC to get a bid -- New England out of conference bids figure to be ridiculously competitive this year.  Brandeis (if they don't win the UAA), 3-4 NESCAC teams, and 2-3 LEC teams are all likely to post very gaudy records (indeed, most of NESCAC at this point only has 0-2 losses) in tough conferences, not to mention teams like Emerson. Wheaton and Coast Guard that are putting up tons of early season wins and all have only 0-1 losses so far.  I would bet that other than Brandeis or a NESCAC school, no one from New England with more than four losses will have any kind of shot at an at large this year.  Even four may be pushing it in a year like this. 

They have a good shot.  WPI doesnt seem too dominant and I think MIT matches up well with CGA, who is probably the best team in the league this year.  I guess we will have to wait until January to see how some of the conference games unfold.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: pridefan on December 15, 2007, 09:03:44 am
Springfield's win last night over RIC showed what they're capable of when they just shoot an average FG %. They were ahead all night until RIC started burying 3's to catch up.

Nice to see them stay composed after fouling a 3 pt shot to let RIC tie with 24 secs and then nail 2 FT's with 13 secs to go.  A good sign to win a close game against a top 25 team.

Strong defense has been there all year.  Now if they just work on shot selection to improve shooting % it'll be fun to see them surprise the NEWMAC.
Title: Re: MIT Recruits
Post by: JustAFan on December 17, 2007, 11:33:34 pm
MIT will have some size over the next 4 years as it has "signed" 6-10 Northfield Mt Hermon center Ted Eby. For details, go to http://www.newenglandrecruitingreport.com/news/article/260/Ted-Eby-Headed-to-M.I.T..php.  He sounds a bit raw, but anyone who is 6-10 always has some upside. The article also mentions that MIT has received a commitment from 6-3 Phillips Exeter guard Jamie Karraker.

Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: fpc85 on January 04, 2008, 11:15:52 am

Anyone know how Conn lost control of the MIT game?
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: T990 on January 04, 2008, 05:09:24 pm
I'd say CTc did not "blow" a lead, but MIT turned up their defensive effort and started to run their offense through Bartolotta and Dou, which was not happening in the first half.   

CTc is not a deep team, nor a tall team.  MIT exploited their height advantage in the 2nd half.  And Bartolotta is one of the best offensive talents in New England D3.

CTc does not have the guard quickness that Emerson College has, so their pressure defense disrupted MIT for a while, but MIT did not really have trouble with it after halftime.

The season statistics imply that CTc is a good defensive team, but in reality they are a deliberate low scoring team.  Once MIT found its offense, CTc had a hard time keeping up their own scoring to match.  Down the stretch, CTc's offense was often 1-and-1 foul shots from MIT's overly aggressive defense.  Without those MIT fouls, MIT may have won in regulation.

Also, MIT has been pretty good on their home court, other than this first half against CTc coming off the holiday break.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on January 05, 2008, 06:41:10 am

Anyone know how Conn lost control of the MIT game?

To add to what T990 said.  MIT started to play their game in the second half.  Bartolotta really asserted himself as he scored 24 of MIT's final 30 points, leading the team to the comeback.  In the OT, they began to help up off the post on Bartolotta when he drove, so he was able to dump the ball to Billy Johnson and Dou Soumare for easy buckets (he assisted the first 3 FGs of the overtime).  For the game, Bartolotta scored 29 points (26 in the second half) on 8-14 shooting with 5 assists and 5 steals and Dou Soumare scored 25 points on 9-15 shooting with 11 rebounds.  MIT plays Lesley today at 1.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: JustAFan on January 05, 2008, 10:30:06 pm
Don't look now but Wheaton has quietly put together a pre-league 9-1 record on the heels of today's 87-67 win over a pretty good (6-3) Fitchburg State team.  What makes it all the more impressive is that Wheaton is starting 3 freshmen along with a sophomore and junior, and the first guard off the bench is another freshman. And those freshmen are leading the team in scoring, paced by shooting guard Anthony Coppola, a Boston Globe super team member least year. Wheaton has also beaten Connecticut College (by one) and Bridgewater State. It's only loss is to Emerson by 20. Wheaton opens up league play this Wednesday at MIT, and then hosts Tufts on Saturday, so we'll get a better read on this team this week, but so far the freshman--all of whom are guards--have not only been fearless, but also pretty impressive.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on January 06, 2008, 01:06:52 am
MIT won today in their final non-conference game.  MIT scored 19 unanswered points in the first 3:38 to open the game open and never really looked back.  Jimmy B had a double double with 22 and 10, along with 5 assists.  Dou Soumare had 7 points and 15 rebounds, while Will Mroz had an exceptional first half with 16 points, all in the first frame.

MIT plays a much improved Wheaton team at home on Wednesday in both teams conference openers.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: pridefan on January 06, 2008, 10:32:39 am
Don't look now but Wheaton has quietly put together a pre-league 9-1 record on the heels of today's 87-67 win over a pretty good (6-3) Fitchburg State team.  What makes it all the more impressive is that Wheaton is starting 3 freshmen along with a sophomore and junior, and the first guard off the bench is another freshman.

Congrats on a strong start.  Do you know what happened to Eric Johnston from last year?

It will be interesting to see how such a young lineup handles NEWMAC play, especially the 2nd time around with each team.  From their season's stats summary, it looks like if you stop each of their top two scorers, you stop the team....especially Coppola - since half of his made shots are 3's. Agree?

Wheaton vs Springfield has always been a tough, close game and it sounds like this year will be no different. Thanks for the update so we can get the NEWMAC postings active heading into league play.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: LyonFan on January 06, 2008, 07:49:18 pm
Eric Johnston basically dropped out of Wheaton - seems it was not a good fit academically.

It will indeed be interesting to see how the freshmen guards handle the intensity and pressure of NEWMAC games.  There are no easy wins, no easy games, in the conference.  I would have to make Coast Guard the favorite to finish on top with the re-addition of the other Johnson, but everyone else looks good.  Even though they have poor records thus far, Babson and Springfield have played very tough non-conference schedules.

I will say this about Wheaton: Cappola is a heck of a scorer.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: clarkie on January 08, 2008, 11:19:37 am
It looks like the NEWMAC is having another strong year--I am glad to see that teams are staying competitive with their non-conference opponents.

What happened with Wheaton at the Phoenix tournament Clark was at? There was a note on the website saying it was travel related. Has anyone heard anything?
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: atn alum on January 08, 2008, 11:38:02 am
I talked to their SID...will be including a note in this week's "around the nation."
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on January 09, 2008, 10:51:57 pm
Tough night in the NEWMAC for 0 and 1 loss teams.  First, WPI handed CGA their first defeat 71-62.  Jim Marois had a solid game for the engineers with 26 points and 7 boards and Antoine Coleman scored 17 despite 6-16 shooting.

I was at the MIT game where MIT handled Wheaton 81-62, leading by as many as 23 in the second half.  Jimmy B had another big game with 28 points (12-20 FG), 10 rebounds and 4 steals.  Dou Soumare added 16 and 7, along with a nice dunk in the second half.  Brad Gampel had 9 assists while Dan McCue and Billy Johnson chipped in with 11 each.  I think the key for MIT was the pressure they were able to put on Wheaton's guards, especially Coppola who was held to only 6 FGA and scored only 13 points by the defensive combination of Mroz and McCue.

In other NEWMAC action, Clark beat Babson 60-52.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: NortheastHoopsGuru on January 09, 2008, 11:26:36 pm
I cannot for the life of me figure out what to make of Babson. I have seen great results against top teams in the country, and then mediocre results like tonight at Clark. I saw them pull out a gutsy win at Lasell and really liked the way they played. Are they just wildly inconsistant or is there something i am missing?
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: nescac1 on January 10, 2008, 07:54:10 am
My impression of Babson, from seeing them in the past and what I've heard this year, is that they tend to be undersized (no starter over 6'4) without a ton of firepower (only one guy over 11 points per), but very scrappy and physical on defense so they can hang tight with teams that on paper seem to be a lot better. 

Bizarre stat on Babson: senior Kyle McDonald has hit 21 3's shooting at a 52 percent clip and is at 82 percent from the line, averaging 15.8 points per game.

For his prior three years, he shot 5-37 from 3 (13 percent), 66 percent from the line,  and averaged only 5.7 points. 

I have heard of inside players making such a huge and unexpected leap forward as seniors, but never a guard.  Whoever this kid's shot doctor was should advertise -- we may have the Buzz Bramin of D-3 on our hands. 
Title: WPI v CGA
Post by: d3H00psFan on January 10, 2008, 12:39:06 pm
I was at the CGA v. WPI game last night and while WPI played very hard and aggressive, I would have to say that this was a case of CGA showing the signs of a team that was off for 1 month. 20 turnovers and giving up 22 off. rebounds and they were still tied with 5 minutes to go. Hats off to WPI for pulling out the win, but hopefully CGA can return to pre-Christmas break form and be the top team in the conference that we think they could be.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: old_hooper on January 10, 2008, 01:11:46 pm
Northeasthoops, I too am a little surprised at the outcome last night.  Would have thought that this was a game they should have won.  Not to take anything away from Clark because this team seems to be improving every game.  Perhaps the size is an issue and how they match up against certain teams comes into play.  How in the world can they hang with a Wash U and give Amherst everything they can handle and be 3-8, really leaves you scatching your head.  Guard play makes a difference in the teams that you play and maybe it was not as big a factor last night as it was against the others mentioned.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: pridefan on January 12, 2008, 10:08:27 am
Newmac season starts today for Springfield vs WPI.  Here are some observations heading into newmac:

1. Balance - 4 players average double figures.  Any of the starters can hurt you on any night.

2. Defense/Rebounding - Team strength but MUST defend 3 ball better.

3. Shot Selection / Shooting % - big leads lately when disciplined, then young players take bad shots, stop passing, and they give up the lead....coaching issue! Won't publicly call out the main offender, but Pride followers know..

4.  Confidence - right now, they expect to win.

Prediction for today - close win over WPI IF they stop Marois / 3 Ball.


Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: JustAFan on January 19, 2008, 06:37:34 pm
WPI over Clark by 20 this afternoon in round one of the best of DIII Worcester series.  WPI was quicker than Clark and outmuscled it inside and once the Engineers got their 3 point shooting untracked they coasted. Clark played hard, but they don't have the offensive weapons that WPI does, especially from the oustide.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: pridefan on January 26, 2008, 10:04:17 am
Springfield plays Babson today and it will be interesting to see whether the Pride's good team D can match what Babson did to WPI.

The Pride played good D Wed holding CGA to 55 pts and Prebeck and Johnson to 10 and 9 pts.  Looks like Babson relies on K. MacDonald so its not hard to figure out how to stop them.

With wins over Trinity, RIC, and CGA, the Pride have shown they can compete. Now they must put together a streak...starting with stopping a seemingly one man Babson team.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: greybush on January 26, 2008, 03:20:27 pm

Kyle McDonald should be considered the frontrunner for NEWMAC player of the year. McDonald has been dominating games from the point position, not only scoring but doing his best to get others involved as well. His improved 3 point range and great ball handling skills have allowed him to fulfill his potential and take his place among the elite NEWMAC players. WPI, the conference's highest scoring team, only outscored McDonald by 7 points Wednesday night. I would not want to face Babson late in the season once they have figured it out... they have already shown they can play with anyone (tight games against Amherst and Wash U.) but have lacked consistency. Greg Bush is as talented as anyone in the league and Etten should find his groove soon. It looks like anyone can beat anyone this year and should be an interesting tournament.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: nescac1 on January 26, 2008, 04:01:41 pm
McDonald's having a great year, but I'd say it would take a major catastrophe to keep Bartlotta from claiming the player of the year in NEWMAC ...
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: pridefan on January 27, 2008, 08:01:57 am
K. McDonald ran into a tough defender in Jamal Gibbs yesterday at Springfield.  As a team, Babson found that Springfield plays overall tough D.

While McDonald is much improved, Gibbs figured out that he pretty much only drives right. Can't put him into player of the year category based on yesterday but he's obviously very good and wasn't able to shake Gibbs.

Daly led the Pride with 21 ( also tough D ) followed by Crean with 15 - watch out for the Pride when they all get going on the same night. Anybody can hurt you depending on matchups.

Don"t judge them by the MIT game - Daly was out with flu and D makes a big difference inside which is where MIT hurt us.  Other than MIT, they've been in every game.  Looking forward to seeing Wheaton and Coppolla.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: GoCorsairs on January 27, 2008, 03:57:32 pm
McDonald can't drive left? You base that off of one game vs Springfield? Against WPI he was driving left and hitting pull up J's all day. So which one of us is the better critic.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: pridefan on January 27, 2008, 07:13:06 pm
'll admit that I've only seen K. McDonald once this year - yesterday vs Springfield.  All I can tell you is what I saw - were you there and what was your take?  If he does it other games like WPI, then you're right.

By the way, my other posts give him credit for having improved a lot since last year - just not player of the year, in my opinion.

As a team, Babson's issue yesterday seemed to mostly be a lack of size underneath.  They're zone is very active and quick but mismatches down low are an issue.  Ex: Springfield's 3,4,and 5 had 45 of their 61 pts. Since you follow them, what's your read on why they've struggled despite McDonald playing so well?

Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: chubbyboybaby on January 27, 2008, 07:33:43 pm
Babson, with McDonald playing well, is capable of beating any team in the newmac.  I do not believe that their record reflects how good their team really is.  They play one of the toughest out of league schedules in the country with games against Trinity, Brandeis, Wash U, Chicago, and Amherst.  With the exception of Brandeis, all of these were very close games.  If these guys realize their potential and if Kyle McDonald keeps playing the way he has, they definitely have a shot at the newmac title.  I think Kyle McDonald could be the newmac p.o.y. if the beavers can come out on top.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: clarkie on January 28, 2008, 10:59:28 am
Though I cannot comment really on Babson, I was at the Clark vs. MIT game on Saturday and Jimmy B was fantastic, and this is from a Clark fan. It seemed like he didn't miss, he played well, passed well, and seemed like a genuinely nice kid. I do have to say (and I believe I have said this before), that Dou Soumare plays extremely dirty basketball and I am surprised he has not gotten more technical fouls. It really was awful to watch him deter from Bartollotta's great performance. A good game, nonetheless.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: MeOak21 on January 28, 2008, 11:51:42 am
Clarkie,
Just out of curiousity, what, in your opinion, constitutes "dirty basketball"?
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: ILive4This on January 28, 2008, 06:49:05 pm
If you are interested in participating in the NE poster's poll, please email me or pm me your top 10 by tonight at 8. We have 10 voters in so far, and I was hoping to get to 15 this week, so please take a moment and throw in your two cents.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: pridefan on January 28, 2008, 07:02:21 pm
Any Lyons fans out there have an update on Wheaton's performance so far?  Springfield plays Wheaton this Wed and I'm curious about your opinion  and observations.

DiGiovanna seems to be playing fewer minutes this year vs last - why is that?  Coppola's emergence has reallocated minutes among the guards which can sometime cause chemistry issues.  How is it going?

What would you recommend for a fan to look for to tell if they are playing their intended game?

Just by watching their stats, it seems that Springfield faces another test to stop Coppola like they faced with K. McDonald at Babson.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on January 28, 2008, 10:01:33 pm
Though I cannot comment really on Babson, I was at the Clark vs. MIT game on Saturday and Jimmy B was fantastic, and this is from a Clark fan. It seemed like he didn't miss, he played well, passed well, and seemed like a genuinely nice kid. I do have to say (and I believe I have said this before), that Dou Soumare plays extremely dirty basketball and I am surprised he has not gotten more technical fouls. It really was awful to watch him deter from Bartollotta's great performance. A good game, nonetheless.

I think you perceive him as a "dirty" player for the wrong reasons.  To be honest, he is just a really good athlete that happens to be tall.  Because of his height and athleticism he is good at basketball and he has worked really hard to improve his game at the FT line and in the post.  However, I dont think he has played competitive, organized basketball long enough to know the intricacies of the game to be intentionally trying to play dirty.  I think he just goes out there and plays his hardest and does his best to listen to his coach.  Coach Anderson is a very defensive minded coach who expects alot out of his players defensively.  Thus, each player interprets this differently and tries to implement "playing hard" defensively in their own way.  I dont think you can fault a kid for trying his hardest on D.  I have been to alot of the MIT games over the past 3 years and I cant remember a single time when Dou injured another player, intentionally or inadvertantly.  He has actually gotten hurt more times himself playing his style than hurt others.  I remember a game 2 years ago at CGA where he pinned a shot so violently to the backboard that he dislocated his thumb and the metacarpel (bone below the joint) actually pierced through his skin (this caused him to miss all the games until the conference tourney that year).  Needless to say, he plays hard and I dont think you can fault him for that.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: LyonFan on January 28, 2008, 11:15:59 pm
Any Lyons fans out there have an update on Wheaton's performance so far?  Springfield plays Wheaton this Wed and I'm curious about your opinion  and observations.

DiGiovanna seems to be playing fewer minutes this year vs last - why is that?  Coppola's emergence has reallocated minutes among the guards which can sometime cause chemistry issues.  How is it going?

What would you recommend for a fan to look for to tell if they are playing their intended game?

Just by watching their stats, it seems that Springfield faces another test to stop Coppola like they faced with K. McDonald at Babson.

This will be a big game for a Wheaton team that has dropped three straight.  From what I have seen, CGA and WPI are the top teams, but everyone else has a chance on any given night.  There are no easy games in this conference.  To answer your questions, DiGiovana suffered a leg injury in December, and has been building back since - he has started the last two games.  Coppola is one of four (three starting) freshman guards who have seen major minutes.  They are a talented group who will only get better, but they are freshmen.  Coppola is one heck of a scorer.  I am not sure they have determined a true identity as a team.  They win when they play solid defense, and minimize their turnovers.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: d3H00psFan on January 29, 2008, 08:35:40 am

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 From what I have seen, CGA and WPI are the top teams, but everyone else has a chance on any given night. 
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I think this is very true. I mean look at the games they have lost...both teams have shot very poorly. CGA shot (from box score) 36% against Springfield but only had 10 turnovers. I don't think the defense was overwhelming...just a poor shooting night, and they still only lost by 2. And WPI’s lost to Babson was the same deal. They shot 2-25 from the three point line…something they are not going to do every night. All in all, anybody can win any game in the NEWMAC, frontrunner or not! Look forward to seeing the games the second time around and into the tournament.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on January 29, 2008, 02:08:55 pm
Big game tomorrow night between MIT and WPI.  Winner goes into first into the conference (either outright or via tiebreakers).  MIT is undefeated at home, it will be interesting to see what happens.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: T990 on January 29, 2008, 05:01:13 pm
That IS a big game.  I predict the Engineers will win.  ;) 
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: pridefan on January 29, 2008, 06:59:01 pm
Thanks for the feedback on Wheaton.  DiGionna coming back should help ( and I'm glad he's recovered so he can finish out his sr year  - he, and everyone, deserves a good finish ).

Starting 3 frosh is tough for a while - that probably explains a lot about their struggles despite Coppola's great stats.  3 frosh starters and keeping turnovers usually don't go together....if Springfield had more depth, I'd say throw a press at those frosh guards!

You're right about anybody in the NEWMAC winning on any given night. Springfield's been in every game and looking more confident each night. Coach Brock seems more upbeat this year too!

Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: golflax99 on January 30, 2008, 09:06:53 pm
Looks like Babson stepped up tonight. They are starting to prove they are a lot more than just Kyle McDonald. Brian MacDonald stepped up with 20 and Etten had 15 as Babson shot 46% from the arc. Kyle McDonald also added a season high 8 assists and no TOs, as Babson beat CGA 78-70 at home. Babson also had a season high 16 assists and only 4 TOs as a team, something they've been looking for all season.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on January 30, 2008, 10:57:25 pm
I was at the MIT vs. WPI game tonight and it was a good one.  MIT had a chance to win in regulation with the ball and the final shot, but Bradley Gampel missed a driving layup and Dou Soumare was tackled on the put back (no call) as time expired so the game went to OT.  MIT just didnt seem to play as well in OT: WPI got a few rolls, Jimmy B forced a few 3s and then ultimately fouled out with about 30 seconds left (down 4) and had to exit the game, taking with him all of MITs chances ofwinning.

A few other notes: 
1. Jimmy B got fouled with ~3 minutes to play on a 3 pointer and only made 2 of 3, there were no points scored the rest of regulation, so if he had made all 3, the game could have played out completely differently.
2.  On a breakaway in the first half, Dou Soumare was wrapped up from behind (aka tackled) while going up for a dunk by Antoine Coleman and driven into the base of the hoop.  Luckily, Dou was able to return, but Coleman was not called for a flagrant and, actually, Jimmy B was called for a technical for running over to get between his fallen teammate and Coleman.  This was Jimmy's 3rd foul of the game.  When he got his 4th foul in the 2nd half with about 17 minutes to play, he had to sit for 11 minutes, which was also a big turning point because after Will Mroz got his 4th foul, Ian Sugel had to come in and play (who doesnt play often) and was 0-4 from the field with 2 turnovers in 9 minutes.
Finally:  I was surprised at Colemans inability to drive with his left hand.  He was fine dribbling with his left around the perimeter, but 3 times in the first half he tried going to the hoop with his left and turned it over each time.  The 3 times he scored in the paint, he made nice moves to his right hand and was able to drop in short runners/layups.  If you dont guard him well, I can definitely see how he could beat you to the right and he is a solid finisher within 10 feet (as well as a good athlete), but I expected him to be a bit more versatile playing as a small forward.  MIT did a good job of taking away his right and he only scored 6 points in regulation.

WPI takes control of the NEWMAC, with a 1 game lead over Clark and a 2 game lead over MIT and Babson. MIT and WPI meet in Worcester on Feb. 16.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: T990 on January 31, 2008, 12:00:12 pm
Congratulations to WPI for being the only team to visit Rockwell and leave with a win this year.  They appear to be the best team in the NEWMAC: they are athletic, deep, and very sound fundamentally.  They remind me of Amherst, but not as good as shooters.  MIT played right with WPI every step of the way and did a commendable job playing w/o Bartolotta down the stretch (as well as dealing with an ill head coach for 3 weeks plus).

The intentional foul on Dou non-call and subsequent Technical on Bartolotta also was a big factor in that it ultimately took Bartolotta out of the game.  Dou was clearly on his way to an easy breakaway dunk and was violently collared.  If a simple 2-shot foul was called on a play like that in the Boston City League (HS), for instance, there would be bedlam!  The refs need to do a much better job to keep things in control during the game and protect a vulnerable player from serious injury.  I can't imagine any level of basketball where that would not be an intentional foul call.  Remember Kurt Rambis?

This game has huge implications for the NEWMAC tournament seedings.  If MIT had won, there would be a 3-way tie for first among WPI, Clark, and MIT.  With WPI's victory, they are now in command.  I don't see Clark as good enough to beat WPI in the coming rematch and pull themselves into a tie.  Babson is Jekyll and Hyde good, but so far only at home, and they must still travel to WPI for their rematch, as well as to MIT, to CG, and to Wheaton.  All the games among the "lower 6" are almost toss ups in this league.  The top seed in the NEWMAC tournament not only gets a bye but also the home court.  We have seen the home court is often all that separates teams in this league.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: LyonFan on January 31, 2008, 03:30:30 pm
>>This game has huge implications for the NEWMAC tournament seedings.  If MIT had won, there would be a 3-way tie for first among WPI, Clark, and MIT.  With WPI's victory, they are now in command.  I don't see Clark as good enough to beat WPI in the coming rematch and pull themselves into a tie.  Babson is Jekyll and Hyde good, but so far only at home, and they must still travel to WPI for their rematch, as well as to MIT, to CG, and to Wheaton.  All the games among the "lower 6" are almost toss ups in this league.  The top seed in the NEWMAC tournament not only gets a bye but also the home court.  We have seen the home court is often all that separates teams in this league.<<

Absolutely agree that WPI seems to be emerging as top dog yet again this year - they were really committed on defense in the game I saw, and they have been very consistent in league play.  I do not understand how Coast Guard has gone only 2-4 on the first go-around.  They were so good at the end of last year, and added the better Johnson.

I'm wondering how PrideFan enjoyed the Coppola show last night.  Kid can score, eh?  Strawson is a very large presence insifde, and Springfield's starters run a very pretty flex offense, but its tough to win without any bench contribution.  It looked to me like they wore down at the end.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: pridefan on February 01, 2008, 12:06:54 am
What a wild Wheaton vs Springfield game yesterday. Lyons race out to 11 - 0 lead and the Pride go on 22 -6 run to lead by 5.  With 12:40 to go Pride are up by 11 only to have Lyons tie it on 1 of 2 FT's with 6 secs left
 ( absolutely horrible, bail out call I might add - with 6 secs left it shouldn't be a call where everybody's asking "what did he do" ). OK - got that off my chest - I'd be interested in your take on that call.

Lyons raced to quick 4 pt OT lead and nailed 8 0f 8 FT's when needed to gut out a tought win = tough loss for the Pride.

That said, to answer your question - yep, wow that Coppola kid can sure shoot a LONG range 3!  I was impressed - he shot 6 of 8 from 3 and some were WAY out there.  You simply can't let him have an open look even if he's 5 ft behind the arc....live and learn.

As a team, Wheaton made 25 of 28 FT's = Ballgame! Compare that to Springfield only getting 19 FT's, and having 4 of 5 starters with 4 or more fouls - that hurts.

Answer to your last question about starters looking tired - 3 guys played 41 mins, another 39, and the last 35. YUP, they worked their butts off so I give them credit.

Fun game to watch and can't wait for the rematch.



Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: NEWMACwatcher on February 01, 2008, 07:58:33 am
The best game of the weekend in the NEWMAC is SC-Wheaton - any thoughts on this one from the board?
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: d3H00psFan on February 01, 2008, 06:52:44 pm
I would have to go with #1 WPI at CGA. Match-up of last years conference championship game and a stuggling CGA team needs to get back on track. Although CGA's games have all been close, they need to show thy can win some of these game in conference. I think this is the best game of the weekend.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: ILive4This on February 04, 2008, 11:53:20 am
Want to show your love for WPI, MIT or anyone else. Send in your top 10 for the regional poster's poll to me by 8pm tonight.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on February 05, 2008, 01:57:16 pm
So we are a little more than half way through the conference schedule, so I thought it would be interesting to compare the top candidates for player of the year.  I have chosen these to be Jimmy Bartolotta (JB), Antoine Coleman (ACol), Craig Johnson (CJ), and Anthony Coppola (ACop), but there may be other worthy candidates.  Below I list the averages for each player in statistical categories in which they are ranked by the NEWMAC website (Stats through last Sunday), conference rank is in parenthesis:

          JB          ACol         CJ           ACop
PPG: 24.8 (1)   14.7 (6)   16.4 (4)     19.0 (2)
RPG:  5.9 (9)     6.3 (7)     8.4 (2)       NR
FG%: 55.6 (5)  49.3 (9)   59.8 (2)     51.8 (6)
APG:  4.4 (2)      NR           NR            NR
FT%: 78.7 (5)     NR        75.9 (7)    73.3 (10)
SPG:  2.35 (2)  1.85 (5)   1.35 (12)   1.17 (14)
3P%: 44.3 (4)     NR           NR         49.2 (1)
3PM:  2.55 (3)     NR           NR         3.44 (1)
BPG:  0.90 (6)  0.60 (12)     NR            NR
A/T:  1.26 (7)     NR           NR            NR
OReb:1.55 (14) 2.10 (10)  2.35 (8.)      NR
DReb:4.30 (6)   4.10 (9)    6.06 (1)       NR

Bartolotta is ranked in every category (He is top 10 in 11 categories, top 7 in 10 categories top 5 in 7 categories, and top 3 in 4 categories); Coleman is ranked in 7 categories (top 10 in 6 categories, top 7 in 3 categories, top 5 in 1 category and top 3 in no categories); Craig Johnson is ranked in 7 categories (top 10 in 6 categories, top 7 in 5 categories, top 5 in 4 categories, and top 3 in 3 categories); Coppola is ranked in 6 categories (top 10 in 5 categories, top 7 in 4 categories, top 5 in 3 categories, and top 3 in 3 categories). 

Out of these 4 players Bartolotta is the only player to be ranked in every category (5 more than any other player) and is ranked in the top 7 in 10 categories (twice as many as any other player).
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: T990 on February 05, 2008, 03:45:56 pm
If you look at the NEWMAC website,

http://www.newmacsports.com/sports/mbkb/2007-08/stats/confldrs.htm#conf.wki

it's mind boggling how many times Bartolotta's name comes up, and how high it is in every category.  He might be the best D3 player in New England.  Beyond scoring, look at assists, blocks, steals, rebounding, FT%, FG%, 3P-FG%... he does it all!  He's a complete player and is the focus of opponents' defensive plans.

The other player someone nominated for POY is Kyle McDonald of Babson.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: d3H00psFan on February 05, 2008, 10:45:38 pm
Jimmy B is a heck of a player...but if he were on a more well rounded team his numbers would not be that good. MIT has played some good basketball at times this year but once you get past Jimmy B and Soumare they are not very talented. Its going to be hit or miss weather he is going to get any help. I know you might say that this means teams can focus on him more...but that also means he HAS to be the man. Again, i am not saying that he is not a greak player becuase i have seen him play, i just think if he were on a more well rounded team he would not have as great of all around numbers.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on February 06, 2008, 12:32:21 am
Jimmy B is a heck of a player...but if he were on a more well rounded team his numbers would not be that good. MIT has played some good basketball at times this year but once you get past Jimmy B and Soumare they are not very talented. Its going to be hit or miss ?weather? he is going to get any help. I know you might say that this means teams can focus on him more...but that also means he HAS to be the man. Again, i am not saying that he is not a ?greak? (Bartolotta sounds Italian to me) player becuase i have seen him play, i just think if he were on a more well rounded team he would not have as great of all around numbers.

I disagree completely, he may have to be the "man," but he gets double and triple teams and still shoots a very high percentage from the field.  It is true that he may not average as many points on another team, but I dont see how his defensive numbers would be effected (steals, blocks, and rebounds-since the leading rebounder on the league is on his team).  Also, if his team werent that great, why are the two top assists players in the league from MIT.  Someone has to finish to get assists.  So really the only category your comment applies to is points, but even if he averaged 5-8 points less per game, that would still be an impressive output with his other stats.  The fact that he is shooting so well from the field regardless of the double teams (and his high assist and assist-to-turnover numbers), makes his stats even more impressive with all the defensive attention he gets.

Also, MIT has a solid starting 5, Johnson and Mroz are two of the top shooters in the league (ranked in the 20s in scoring for the league), Dou is one of the best big men (leads league in rebounds and blocks, and top 10 in scoring), and I think Gampel is arguably the best true point guard in the league (leads the league in assists and steals).  Their main problem is depth (they are realistically only 6 deep), but they can be very dangerous when they dont get in foul trouble.  They have played many teams well (5 of their 8 losses are by 6 points or less and the games they have lost by more have been close down the stretch until late runs).  They were within a posession of beating the current #1 ranked team in the country on the road, they beat 16-4 Conn college, and beat 14-5 Gordon by 22 (their worst loss of the season).

It really bothers me that Bartolotta keeps getting written off because he doesnt have the strongest team in New England around him, although he has arguable  the most well-rounded stats in the country.  He  puts up those kinds of numbers because he is that good of a player, for no other reason.  The fact that they arent as deep as Amherst or Brandeis isnt his fault.  Every player on that team was accepted to MIT and MIT does not give any picks to coaches.  I played for a UAA school and I know for a fact that even highly-ranked, competitive schools like those in the UAA have some pull in admissions, but I know for a fact this is not the case at MIT.  He was the best player in the NEWMAC last year and he is again this year.  I just hope he gets the recognition he deserves this year.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: d3H00psFan on February 06, 2008, 10:23:28 pm
Jimmy b not in the box score? Is he injured/sick?
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on February 06, 2008, 11:33:56 pm
I read from the Springfield recap that he is injured, although it did not specify why.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: pridefan on February 07, 2008, 08:36:28 pm
Jimmy B was in street clothes last night but nobody knows why he didn't play.

Springfield again played good D holding them to 60 pts.  Admittingly, they're a different team without JB but Soumare had to get his pts from FT's and Johnson had to hit 3's. Mroz shot well from 3 but Crean's driving fouled him out.

Springfield's balanced attack caused problems - especially when Daly got hot in the 2nd half.  Daly and Strawson were tough down low. Gibbs and Crean were tough outside.  They deserved to win but Gibbs had to make a tough driving and 1 layup with 2 secs left to win it.
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Post by: d3H00psFan on February 07, 2008, 10:22:55 pm
Hugenered, any update on Jimmy B? Not good for MIT if he is hurt.
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Post by: Hugenerd on February 07, 2008, 10:36:08 pm
I just heard he was injured, I dont know the extent and cant say exactly what it is.

He sprained his ankle in the Amherst game and was able to come back really quickly (he scored 30 a couple days later against emerson), so I hope he returns quickly from this as well (the amherst game was an example, im not sure what is injured currently).  It will probably be more clear how bad it is on Saturday when they play CGA.
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Post by: pridefan on February 09, 2008, 05:20:00 pm
WOW - 2OT, 3 buzzer beater win for Springfield over Clark today!

Great comeback win by Dan White buzzer beater to tie in regulation, 2 pt buzzer beater by Gibbs to send into 2nd OT, and half court buzzer beater by Gibbs to win!

Daly was awesome throughout - 31 pts, 18 rebounds - to lead the Pride.

Crean and Gibbs both played well.  Gibbs has 2 game winners in a row - Mr. Clutch!

Nice bench contributions which bodes well for the stretch run. Pride are now 4-4 in NEWMAC and playing well.
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Post by: Hugenerd on February 09, 2008, 09:19:55 pm
Jimmy B was out again as MIT lost a close one to CGA.  Dou Soumare had 14 and 17 in the loss.
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Post by: baseballguy on February 09, 2008, 11:22:42 pm
Hugenerd knows everything about  Jimmy B but he does not know why Jimmy B did not play the last two games.  What gives Hugenerd?
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Post by: Hugenerd on February 09, 2008, 11:37:53 pm
First off, I am not affiliated with the program. Secondly, since MIT has not released any information in the recaps, it really isnt my place to speculate on any information. All the information I write about on this board is either taken from boxscores/season statistics, or from opinions I have made from watching games first hand. I am not going to write about gossip.

I also forgot to point out in my previous posts that not only is jb out, but MITs starting point guard, Brad Gampel has also missed the last two games.  Gampel is ranked first in the NEWMAC in steals and assists (JB is ranked #2 in both those categories).
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Post by: baseballguy on February 09, 2008, 11:44:50 pm
Gotcha on the Jimmy B speculation.   But the Gampel thing? Come on!
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Post by: golflax99 on February 10, 2008, 02:12:56 am
babson got out to a 23-1 start over wheaton today and held on to a 4 pt win (77-73) thanks to Zach Etten shooting 12-12 from the stripe with 26 points... babson is now 4-4 in the conference looking to get that home court advantage in the first round of the newmac tourney. babson is very streaky, but when they playing thier best, they look pretty unstoppable..
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Post by: NortheastHoopsGuru on February 10, 2008, 11:28:55 am
i've seen alot of basketball around New England over the years, and i can safely say that Jimmy B. is one of the best all-around players ive seen. MIT needs him back desperately, and if they get him back they should be alright in the NEWMAC. I hope they make the tournament so that Jimmy can be seen on a larger stage and get some well-deserved recognition.
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Post by: pridefan on February 10, 2008, 12:00:52 pm
Wheaton down by 22 and coming back to lead?.....they're never out of a game with Coppola's 3 pt weapon.  Box score says he hit 7 0f 13 try's and by now everybody knows what he's capable of .

That must have been a fun game to watch but disappointing to lose after battling back from 22 down.

On a different note, is it just me or are some schools showing incredibly BAD taste with their songs being played during warmups and post game? For example, Wheaton playing "Hit the road jack and don't you come back no more..." when they win is classless, Clark's rap lyrics during yesterdays halftime warmup was downright fowl.  NEWMAC schools have a pre-game announcement about sportmanship by the fans - the schools should look in the mirror and rethink their "music" choices....
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Post by: Allworld41 on February 10, 2008, 01:44:25 pm
Pride Fan, are you 60 years old?

It's college basketball, it's fun, it's fun to twist the knife a little when you can, the easy answer if you think it's classless is simply "win more"

no one says boo when they lose
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: pridefan on February 10, 2008, 02:54:24 pm
Pride Fan, are you 60 years old?

It's college basketball, it's fun, it's fun to twist the knife a little when you can, the easy answer if you think it's classless is simply "win more"

no one says boo when they lose

I'd say the same thing if we were 20-0 and my team played it......

Plenty of college fans have fun and still show some class....and some don't.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: LyonFan on February 10, 2008, 03:01:12 pm
<<babson got out to a 23-1 start over wheaton today and held on to a 4 pt win (77-73) thanks to Zach Etten shooting 12-12 from the stripe with 26 points... babson is now 4-4 in the conference looking to get that home court advantage in the first round of the newmac tourney. babson is very streaky, but when they playing thier best, they look pretty unstoppable..>>

This was a very exciting game (in response to PrideFan), but I would hardly call Babson unstoppable.  Hats off to Zach Etten, who played like the all-NEWMAC player many thought he would be when he first entered the league, and Kyle MCDonald is a really nice player - but Babson got a lot of breaks from the officials which, in my opinion, really helped to determine the final outcome.  One official called the last play an and-one, but was over-ruled and it was called a charge.  Wish I had the film to share.  Congrats to Springfield on winning on a last second heave - they used up Wheaton's karma with Clarke, who won on an Alexander 40-footer at the buzzer earlier this season. 

I still say that on any given night, any NEWMAC team is capable of beating any other - although WPI has certainly earned their first place position.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: pridefan on February 10, 2008, 03:17:43 pm
<<Babson got a lot of breaks from the officials which, in my opinion, really helped to determine the final outcome.  One official called the last play an and-one, but was over-ruled and it was called a charge.  Wish I had the film to share.  Congrats to Springfield on winning on a last second heave - they used up Wheaton's karma with Clarke, who won on an Alexander 40-footer at the buzzer earlier this season. 

I still say that on any given night, any NEWMAC team is capable of beating any other - although WPI has certainly earned their first place position.


I agree that its a very even league and your point about the officials is especially important since many games will go right down to the wire.  Hope the zebras are on top of their game this year!...games will be determined by calls in the last 2 mins. 

Anybody know how refs are assigned during the tourney?  Hopefully, the best ones are assigned - however they decide "best".
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: atn alum on February 10, 2008, 04:27:38 pm

On a different note, is it just me or are some schools showing incredibly BAD taste with their songs being played during warmups and post game? For example, Wheaton playing "Hit the road jack and don't you come back no more..." when they win is classless, Clark's rap lyrics during yesterdays halftime warmup was downright fowl.  NEWMAC schools have a pre-game announcement about sportmanship by the fans - the schools should look in the mirror and rethink their "music" choices....

Pridefan...I don't have a problem with "Hit the road, Jack" as I think that's done in fun (it's done frequently in the big leagues). I prefer victory celebration songs, but I don't consider this terribly egregious.

I do agree with you regarding some of the language...I was telling the Hoopsville host last night that I thought it was time to write something about this subject for "Around the Nation." I've run into a bunch of grandparent-age folks at games I've been to the last few yrs who are appalled by some of the language...Also see a lot of parents with little kids.

Think the thing to remember is that these games are family events. The point of what I was gonna suggest we write was that heading into conference tourneys, some teams should probably review their pre-game music, play the "edited" versions of certain songs.

Don't mean to spoil anyone's good time...just trying to watch out for some folks in the audience at these games.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 10, 2008, 04:51:54 pm

Taunting is part of the college atmosphere, but it's pretty classless to include profanity.  If your college experience has not afforded you with a vocabulary wide enough to get across your opinion in a manner suitable for all ages, then you shouldn't be drawing attention to yourself.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: pridefan on February 10, 2008, 05:15:41 pm
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Pridefan...I don't have a problem with "Hit the road, Jack" as I think that's done in fun (it's done frequently in the big leagues). I prefer victory celebration songs, but I don't consider this terribly egregious.

I do agree with you regarding some of the language...I was telling the Hoopsville host last night that I thought it was time to write something about this subject for "Around the Nation."

I agree that Hit The Road Jack isn't that terribly aggregious and I didn't bother to post after that one...maybe I was overly sensitive on that one after a close tough loss.

Clark's haltime Rap lyrics left me shaking my head as I looked around at the kids in the stands.  Hopefully, they didn't pay attention.

You have one vote for a reminder article.  Hopefully Clark's AD will read it.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: atn alum on February 10, 2008, 08:01:16 pm
Ask, and ye shall receive

http://d3hoops.com/dailydose/2008/02/10/rant-pre-game-music
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: pridefan on February 13, 2008, 03:31:53 pm
Ask, and ye shall receive

http://d3hoops.com/dailydose/2008/02/10/rant-pre-game-music

Thanks - nicely done.

Springfield vs WPI today should be another tough NEWMAC battle. As LyonsFan says often and correctly, anybody can beat anybody in the NEWMAC. 
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Post by: LyonFan on February 16, 2008, 06:34:28 pm
Missed the game in Springfield today, but sounds like it got ugly.  PrideFan, can you shed any light on the proceedings?  And congrats - Pride obviously played well down the stretch and your guy had a nice game.
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Post by: pridefan on February 16, 2008, 08:53:18 pm
The Pride gutted out a tough win down the stretch today vs Wheaton after an ugly 2nd half scuffle got Crean and Blackmon tossed for Springfield and Coppola for Wheaton. Credit the Pride bench for stepping up because Strawson and Gibbs were also handicapped by 4 fouls each. Some rookies got thrown right into the fire and did well.

The scuffle started when Crean cut threw the lane and was greeted by Coppola with a raised elbow.  He responded by tossing down Coppola and then everybody swarmed around them.  Apparently Blackmon threw an air punch and got tossed too. It took FOREVER for the refs to make their decisions - makes you wonder if they really saw everything.

Both teams had to finish the last 14 mins without key players.  Once Wheaton got behind, they didn't have the Coppola 3 pt weapon and it showed.  Prior to the ejections, it was a close, tough game.

What is the rule for an ejection - can you play the next game? 

Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: baseballguy on February 17, 2008, 09:00:07 pm
What are the pairings for the tourney looking like? 
Also, having borrowed a court at WPI due to water damage on the original floor, I heard a rumor they have to give the court back before the start of the tourney.  How will that affect their hosting?
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Post by: ILive4This on February 17, 2008, 09:37:36 pm
This just in, sending in a top 10 for the regional posters poll is patriotic. If you support the teams, you must support the poll...
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: T990 on February 18, 2008, 10:42:09 pm
I heard WPI bought that floor from the DCU Center.  And that it is terrible to play on.  I expect they will host the tournament there - unless the sprinklers are set off again.  ;)
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Post by: uconn05 on February 19, 2008, 07:46:23 am
There is no doubt that WPI is the team to beat in the conference tourney this year, but who do you think is the second best team?  Everybody seems so equal but Coast Guard seems to be the best of the rest.  They can play fast or slow and they can score in the paint and on the perimeter.  When Grant Johnson is hot they are awfully tough to beat.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: lefrakenstein on February 19, 2008, 05:59:18 pm
Jimmy B was in street clothes last night but nobody knows why he didn't play.

I hope it is not related to the injury he suffered against Amherst earlier in the season. Watching amherst over the years, I've seen a lot of really good d3 players including guys on the all-decade team like Michael Crotty of Williams Dane Borchers at Witt and Brandon Adair of Va Wes, but JB is one of my all-time favorites, and it was terrible that he got injured in the last 2 seconds of that game when the result was already determined. For springfield fans, Derek Yvon is also up there in my favorite opposing players list.
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Post by: Hugenerd on February 19, 2008, 11:05:44 pm
Jimmy B was in street clothes last night but nobody knows why he didn't play.

I hope it is not related to the injury he suffered against Amherst earlier in the season. Watching amherst over the years, I've seen a lot of really good d3 players including guys on the all-decade team like Michael Crotty of Williams Dane Borchers at Witt and Brandon Adair of Va Wes, but JB is one of my all-time favorites, and it was terrible that he got injured in the last 2 seconds of that game when the result was already determined. For springfield fans, Derek Yvon is also up there in my favorite opposing players list.

Jimmy B has played the last 2 games after sitting out the 2 before that, but MIT does not seem to be the same since he left.  Hopefully the can put together a run in the NEWMAC tourney.
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Post by: AboveDaRim2399 on February 20, 2008, 02:01:38 pm
I heard WPI bought that floor from the DCU Center.  And that it is terrible to play on.  I expect they will host the tournament there - unless the sprinklers are set off again.  ;)

Very interesting. What will WPI do if the cour is still bad when they host?
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: T990 on February 20, 2008, 02:58:16 pm
I assume the DCU floor they laid over the top of the original floor is what they will use for the tournament, since they are using it right now for regular season games.  Hopefully someone from WPI can post on the situation.
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Post by: jamiejohn on February 20, 2008, 05:28:18 pm
I think the 7 seed mit can win it for a second straight year, like coast guard last year. mit still has the best player in the league and they are a very smart team. if they can put it together they should be fine and they will be out of wpi bracket so they wont play them until the championship game
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Post by: Hugenerd on February 20, 2008, 09:33:18 pm
Tough loss again for MIT tonight. The game was close throughout, with no team leading by more than 6 the entire game.  MIT was missing their starting forward, Billy Johnson.

Jimmy B is now 33 points from 1500 for his career.  He probably would have gotten it by now if he hadnt gotten hurt, but he has another chance next Wednesday. Of course if he doesnt get it in the NEWMAC tourney, he still has one more year left.
 
It will be interesting to see if MIT can get everyone back healthy in the next week and make a run in the NEWMAC tourney.  They have shown that they can play with anyone if they are playing well (they were down 2 points, with the ball, with under 30 seconds left at Amherst earlier in the year, they took WPI to OT, and beat Conn College, Gordon, etc.).
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Post by: cheeks14 on February 21, 2008, 02:18:27 am
I heard that WPI had to return the DCU floor but that they have rented a much better court from a company based out of Ohio.  The court was supposeduly installed Monday so it will be good to go for this weekend and the NEWMAC tourney. 

WPI also seems to be hitting stride at the right time as they are playing extremely well on both ends of the floor.  MIT looked terrible last week and held Jimmy B in check for much of the game until WPI put their subs in.  I think that WPI is definitely the favorite in the NEWMAC tourney if they continue to play well but as we saw last year its all about who gets hot at the right time. Should be another awesome tourney this year.
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Post by: uconn05 on February 21, 2008, 07:55:34 am
Holy cow, what a win for WPI!!!!

Have they been starting Etten all year or is that a new thing?

WPI's defense is so good that it's hard to imagine a team beating them in the playoffs.  I said before that I think coast guard has the best chance to knock them off, but the only other team that has a chance is Clark.  They play fast and don't setup specific plays so WPI's pressure will effect them a little less than a team that wants to play slow.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: LyonFan on February 21, 2008, 06:37:42 pm
I could not tell if WPI was that good or my Lyons were that dysfunctional, but that was the worst drubbing I have ever seen, at any level.  It seemed like the few shots WPI missed they managed to get the offensive board, while Wheaton was experimenting with the Duke spread offense, which ended up in a lot of (futile) one-on-one attempts.  It will be interesting to see if these guys can re-group and play well this weekend at Clark.

Meanwhile, WPI has earned their top seed, and any NEWMAC team hoping to upset them will have to play their absolute best game.  It does look like CGA is rounding into shape, and I would give them the best chance.  But everyone else is capable of winning, on any given night.
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Post by: AboveDaRim2399 on February 21, 2008, 11:08:36 pm
WPI v Babson should be a very interesting game. WPI by far has things rolling right now with two impressive back to back wins over MIT and Wheaton. It will be interesting to see if Babson's defense can get to WPI like it did the first time around. Babson plays very tough d, and maybe they can slow down WPI's scoring attack that has been red hot as of late.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: AboveDaRim2399 on February 23, 2008, 06:24:10 pm
It appears there are two critical ties in the NEWMAC right now...Clark and CGA for 2nd and 3rd...and MIT and Wheaton for last...

Anyone know how the tie-breakers are determined? And who will be playin who??
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Post by: atn alum on February 23, 2008, 07:08:12 pm
I believe we have...

2 Clark vs 7 Wheaton
3 Coast GUard vs 6 MIT

4 Babson vs 5 Springfield

1 WPI gets bye
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: pridefan on February 24, 2008, 02:58:06 pm
I could not tell if WPI was that good or my Lyons were that dysfunctional, but that was the worst drubbing I have ever seen, at any level.  It seemed like the few shots WPI missed they managed to get the offensive board, while Wheaton was experimenting with the Duke spread offense, which ended up in a lot of (futile) one-on-one attempts

LyonFan - your post made me check the score and boxscore for Wheaton vs WPI.  Wow - just throw that one away and hopefully they can forget about it and play well in the tourney (like they did yesterday in another tough close loss ).

The Pride lost to CGA yesterday because they basically left the guards WIDE open for 3's. Give CGA's credit - they nailed 'em. Sowers and Johnson shot 9 of 16 from beyond the arc and scored 20 and 22 respectively. CGA's front line didn't do a lot but they did just enough.

Now its Pride vs Babson at Babson. Last time, we were without Blackmon for the entire game and Crean for half of it because of their ejection in the Wheaton game.  With both of them back, hopefully we'll play like we're capable and Brock will adjust to their constant zone D.

Lastly, kudos to the Pride seniors for their recognition at their last home game.  Nice of Brock to start Moreau and both Daly and Gibbs played well.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: AboveDaRim2399 on February 25, 2008, 11:49:19 pm
MIT the sleeper team this year? I would think they would have the best shot to come from a lower seed and do some damage in the NEWMAC playoffs. Although they have lost 7 in a row. I think with everyone back healthy and not sick they should have a good chance...What are you thoughts on the playoffs?
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on February 26, 2008, 04:15:28 pm
Congrats to Jimmy Bartolotta for being named a Jostens Finalist.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: LyonFan on February 26, 2008, 09:45:43 pm
>>MIT the sleeper team this year? I would think they would have the best shot to come from a lower seed and do some damage in the NEWMAC playoffs. Although they have lost 7 in a row. I think with everyone back healthy and not sick they should have a good chance...What are you thoughts on the playoffs?<<

Unfortunately for MIT, they have CGA in the first round, which I think is the toughest team not named WPI in the conference.  With everyone healthy, I give them the edge over the other two first round home teams - but I am picking CGA to make the championship round again this year.  I am hoping my Lyons can get past Clark, who has edged them twice already.  Babson-Springfield is a real toss up, but if forced I go with Springfield - a lot depends on how the game is officiated, whether Strawson is allowed to use his arm-bar to creat space in the post.  SO, I say WPI, CGA, Springfield and Wheaton advance.  Others?
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: pridefan on February 27, 2008, 06:40:14 am
>>Babson-Springfield is a real toss up, but if forced I go with Springfield - a lot depends on how the game is officiated, whether Strawson is allowed to use his arm-bar to creat space in the post.  SO, I say WPI, CGA, Springfield and Wheaton advance.  Others?

I completely agree that the refs will have a huge effect on close matchups....like Babson vs Springfield, Clark vs Wheaton.  Last time, it was comical how inconsistent they were and several players both ways got foul trouble.

I agree with your predictions.  CGA depends heavily on the 3 ball and I don't see them as consistent as Coppola for example so don't be surprised if they stumble if somebody extends their D and has widebodies to bother Johnson/Prebeck.

Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: atn alum on February 27, 2008, 09:11:40 am
Tonight's NEWMAC playoff games
with links

7 Wheaton at 2 Clark, 7 pm
Livestats
http://www.clarku.edu/athletics/varsity/basketball_livestats/xlive.htm


6 MIT at 3 Coast Guard, 7:30 pm
Audio
http://sportsjuice.com

Video
http://www.uscga.edu/display1.aspx?id=8955

5 Springfield at 4 Babson, 7pm
Livestats
http://www3.babson.edu/livestats//mens_basketball/main.html

Video
http://all-access.cstv.com/cstv/player/player.html?code=babs&sport=m-baskbl&category=live&media=62020
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on February 27, 2008, 10:46:31 pm
I heard Jimmy B was injured at the end of the CGA-MIT game, anyone know what happened?
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: AboveDaRim2399 on February 27, 2008, 10:50:39 pm
First and foremost, I hope Jimmy B is alright. He got fouled from behind with 2 minutes left in a 20 point deficit. I don’t know if I would call the foul dirty, but just stupid. Game was over (almost) and he was on a breakaway. He landed awkwardly and hit the wall. CGA Trainer said he thinks he will be ok, but they just were being cautious. I wish him the best.

With that said, the 38 minutes before that CGA shut him down. He finished 4-14 with 8 TO’s and only 12 points. Not only that but he was frustrated. Pushing and shoving, flopping on D and even got a technical foul for shoving G. Johnson down after a made basket. I haven’t seen a better job on him yet. I believe it is his lowest point total of the season. Tremendous D from CGA tonight.

It will be interesting to see how they can get after Capola on Saturday as I see he had a great game tonight.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: LyonFan on February 28, 2008, 12:21:56 am


It will be interesting to see how they can get after Capola on Saturday as I see he had a great game tonight.

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Interestingly enough, Coppola had a 'quiet' 27 points - not his usual long range bombing but more up-fake and drive layups.  Wheaton will be the underdogs vs. CGA, but they certainly could win, especially on a neutral court.  I think Babson (congrats to them on getting past a tough Springfield team) is a relatively tough match-up for WPI.  Should be a good doubleheader on Saturday.

BTW, Wheaton and Clark have played similar games all 3 times this season: close, taut, multiple lead changes, down to the final possession.  This time Wheaton hit all their free throws, and Clark did not make some plays down the stretch.  Ironically the Lyons got the break on a questionable charge call on Alexander with 11 seconds left (he'd been getting the calls when initiating contact all game).
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: baseballguy on February 28, 2008, 09:41:11 pm
Any update on MIT's Jimmy B?
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on February 28, 2008, 10:31:48 pm
First and foremost, I hope Jimmy B is alright. He got fouled from behind with 2 minutes left in a 20 point deficit. I don’t know if I would call the foul dirty, but just stupid. Game was over (almost) and he was on a breakaway. He landed awkwardly and hit the wall. CGA Trainer said he thinks he will be ok, but they just were being cautious. I wish him the best.

With that said, the 38 minutes before that CGA shut him down. He finished 4-14 with 8 TO’s and only 12 points. Not only that but he was frustrated. Pushing and shoving, flopping on D and even got a technical foul for shoving G. Johnson down after a made basket. I haven’t seen a better job on him yet. I believe it is his lowest point total of the season. Tremendous D from CGA tonight.

It will be interesting to see how they can get after Capola on Saturday as I see he had a great game tonight.


Sounds pretty dirty to me: getting taken out from behind when your team has already put the game away.  You cant really make the excuse of frustration since they were winning by double figures.  Just simply sounds like a really dirty, intent-to-injur type of play.  I was watching the game online, but I happened to miss that play because I got up to go to the kitchen, but I heard what the announcers were saying about it. I hope he is alright. I havent heard anything about his condition yet.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on February 29, 2008, 09:52:22 am
I talked to someone that was with Jimmy in the hospital.  He said that Jimmy suffered a severe concussion and that they had to stay in the hospital until the middle of the night to get tests run to make sure that he was alright.  He is apparently doing ok now, but severe concussions are extremely serious. 

What a dirty, dirty play (for reasons I have outline previously).  I would expect better from a cga student.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: AboveDaRim2399 on February 29, 2008, 02:29:44 pm

What a dirty, dirty play (for reasons I have outline previously).  I would expect better from a cga student.

It was not a diry play. I was there and saw it with my own eyes. Jimmy B just fell awkwardly after the CGA player made a play on the ball on a two on 1. If you didn't see it i don't think you should go around making comments like that.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: T990 on February 29, 2008, 03:27:25 pm
The play was unnecessary.  The game was decided.  It was unnecessary and the refs must have thought it was beyond appropriate defense as they called it an Intentional Foul immediately and before it was apparent Bartolotta was injured.

It doesn't make sense that someone from CGA would do that.  It seemed like that foul was delivered as hard as he could.  He did go for the ball but he seemed like he intended to hurt him too.

Hope Jimmy is OK.

BTW, Bartolotta was named First Team Academic All-American this week.  MIT leads the NCAA Division III in Academic All-Americans all time.

http://mitathletics.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/022908aaa.html
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on February 29, 2008, 03:31:22 pm

What a dirty, dirty play (for reasons I have outline previously).  I would expect better from a cga student.

It was not a diry play. I was there and saw it with my own eyes. Jimmy B just fell awkwardly after the CGA player made a play on the ball on a two on 1. If you didn't see it i don't think you should go around making comments like that.

I have talked to enough people who were there to feel comfortable in my opinion.  You dont fall on your own and get a severe concussion (unless your are jumping off of something).  Someone has to hit you to cause that much damage.  I dont buy your "fell akwardly" argument (although that may be true, the CGA player clearly fouled him extremely excessively, especially for that point in the game).
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on February 29, 2008, 03:35:23 pm

BTW, Bartolotta was named First Team Academic All-American this week.  MIT leads the NCAA Division III in Academic All-Americans all time.

http://mitathletics.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/022908aaa.html

Thanks for the info, I am glad he is getting the respect he deserves, despite the team losing 8 straight since his injury (After losing to WPI in OT, JB got hurt and the team has not been the same since, losing all of their contests).
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: baseballguy on February 29, 2008, 03:45:02 pm
I did not see the play, but Hugenerd, you should be careful with such damning comments on a particular play you did not witness.  Sounds to me like 50% would say fair play and 50% would say dirty.  If it was a dirty play, the official would have tossed the player in question. Was there an ejection?
I have seen CGA play in the past, they play physical but clean.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: T990 on February 29, 2008, 03:53:21 pm
...they play physical but clean.

Agreed.  That is why it makes no sense that he committed that foul like that.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on February 29, 2008, 10:23:05 pm
I did not see the play, but Hugenerd, you should be careful with such damning comments on a particular play you did not witness.  Sounds to me like 50% would say fair play and 50% would say dirty.  If it was a dirty play, the official would have tossed the player in question. Was there an ejection?
I have seen CGA play in the past, they play physical but clean.

The 50% you are talking about that say it would be a fair play is based on a single person's judgement.  I myself said that I expected better from a cga student, meaning that this is type of behavior is out of the ordinary.  However, I have talked to people who saw the play (even players in the game), I heard the commentators talking online about the play (again, I was watching the game online and happened to step out of the room right when the play happened and just saw him laying on the ground), and from everything I have heard, no matter how out of the norm for a cga team, that play was a dirty play (if you dont like the term dirty, come up with your own term, but the game was over, they were down 20 with 2 minutes to go, and it was on a fastbreak and the CGA player took out the MIT player so hard that he got a severe concussion). 

How do you give a player a severe concussion without fouling extremely excessively (an intentional foul was called on the play by the way, he probably wasnt ejected because he "went for the ball", also CGA's coach took c. johnson out immediately after the play).  How often do you hear about even a slight concussion in college or NBA ball?  Those guys jump twice as high and run twice as hard and yet you hardly ever hear of this type of injury.  A sprained ankle, a dislocated or broken finger, a strained muscle, or a charlie-horse I can understand.  But I have honestly never heard of anyone at any level getting a severe concussion in a basketball game (I have played a lot of basketball, I played in the UAA in undergrad, I was a grad assitant in the NEWMAC for a year, I am a big college and NBA fan), I just cannot fathom how somebody would land "akwardly" and get a severe concussion.  If I get a chance, I will try to get a copy of the video and take a look for myself and update you on my opinion, so I dont just have to go on severeal first-hand accounts, but from all the data I have now, I stick with my opinion. 
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on February 29, 2008, 10:35:34 pm
...they play physical but clean.

Agreed.  That is why it makes no sense that he committed that foul like that.

Just to follow up on this briefly, the main question still is why would you give such a hard foul at the end of the game like that when the game is out of reach.  Lets say for arguments sake the play wasnt dirty, what exactly was the player trying to gain from fouling the MIT player so hard that he would be able to sustain an injury of that extent.  It just doesnt make any sense.  There was some motivation to make an intentional foul of that extent at that time, because every basketball player at the college level knows that garbage time is garbage time and you dont try to hurt anyone when the game is no longer in doubt, and I wish I knew what that motivation was.  Was it supposed to be retaliation for JB's actions that got him a technical earlier in the game?  There is no way to know. You may say that it was a good hard foul, but was a "good hard foul" really necessary at that time, especially one that was as hard as he gave to cause a concussion.  Craig Johnson was a preseason all-american according to some polls, I really doubt that he didnt know the situation.  Its not like this was some bench player that was trying to show his coach that he was trying to play hard at the end of the game, this was an all-conference player, he had to know that there was no need to give a hard foul in that situation. He may have felt bad about it after the end result, but that doesnt change what he did.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: baseballguy on February 29, 2008, 11:49:22 pm
Ido know one thing about this hard foul situation, Hugenerd sees everything through Jimmy B shaded glasses.  Hugenerd was not there, let it go.  You say JB rec'd a technical early, for what?  Maybe turnabout is fair play!  Let it go HG and focus on the conference titles up for grabs this weekend.  We have a great weekend of basketball ahead of us.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on March 01, 2008, 08:45:11 am
I have no affiliation with Jimmy B.  I only represent my own opinion.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: pridefan on March 01, 2008, 10:40:09 am
You don't know anything about Craig Johnson as a person , you weren't there, you didn't even see it - I enjoy your posts but am disappointed you would play judge and jury.

I'm a Springfield fan so defending CGA / C. Johnson is not personal for me.  Let's be honest....C. Johnson's foot speed is not quite up to JB's and an awkward collision wouldn't surprise me.  Isn't C. Johnson the guy who didn"t play last year because he took a year off to go somewhere on a faith based trip?...doesn't sound to me like a dirty player. Again, not my guy...

As for the below quote - You've never seen somebody get hit or undercut, fall awkwardly, and have their head bounce off the floor?...we've all seen it happen. We just don't know the medical outcome.

Quote from: baseballguy on Yesterday at 03:45:02 pm
I But I have honestly never heard of anyone at any level getting a severe concussion in a basketball game (I have played a lot of basketball, I played in the UAA in undergrad, I was a grad assitant in the NEWMAC for a year, I am a big college and NBA fan), I just cannot fathom how somebody would land "akwardly" and get a severe concussion.   
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: T990 on March 01, 2008, 11:48:49 am
I was there.  I was surprised CGA was even challenging that shot as it happened.  My focus went to the ref holding his arms crossed above his head (indicating Intentional Foul).  The call was immediate and it seemed before they even came back down and hit the floor.  It made no sense whatsoever.  I suspect it would have been made on any MIT player in that position, not that Jimmy B was a target, but there's no way of knowing.

One team in the NEWMAC this year appeared to me to be physical and attempting to turn it into a wrestling match rather than a BB game, but it was not CGA.

Good luck to the teams on the tournament today.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: pridefan on March 01, 2008, 12:16:54 pm
Aw come on T990, don't leave me hanging....which NEWMAC team did you feel was attempting to make it a wrestling match/....
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on March 01, 2008, 05:05:42 pm
I have said over and over again that that play is out of character and by no means is an indicator of what is the norm for cga.  I know he isnt a dirty player.  I just have a certain opinion about that play.  It was unecessary and uncalled for and excessive.  Take it how you will, I am dropping the subject.  Good luck to CGA and the rest of the NEWMAC teams as the conference tourney progresses.

As for the concussion comment.  I have obviously seen plays where people get undercut and get hit in the head, etc.  I just meant I have never seen a head injury so serious that a player was sent to the hospital and held for observation for an extended period of time.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: baseballguy on March 01, 2008, 09:15:38 pm
Hey Pridefan- Where did you seeing me say that stuff?  I think you got me confused with Hugenerd.  Please don't, I don't see thing through jimmy b glasses. 
I am an Antoine Coleman POY guy.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on March 01, 2008, 09:24:08 pm
Hey Pridefan- Where did you seeing me say that stuff?  I think you got me confused with Hugenerd.  Please don't, I don't see thing through jimmy b glasses. 
I am an Antoine Coleman POY guy.

Well you do apparently see through pretend glasses.  What differentiates Antoine Coleman from any other starter in the NEWMAC, he averages 13.9 points and 6.1 rebounds a game.  If you want to give the award to a player on the top team in the conference, I think Craig Johnson has a much better resume: 15 ppg, 8.8 rpg, and 57% from the floor.  Everyone obviously, by now, knows my opinion of the actual best player in the conference, so I wont list his stats here (hint, he was just named a Jostens finalist and a first team all-american).
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: baseballguy on March 01, 2008, 09:35:27 pm
AC is TOUGH.  He is the toughest player in the NEWMAC by far. No one else brings it to the table like AC every night.  He is the reason WPI has been so successful for the past few seasons.  Don't give me all of Jimmy B's stats.  How many big game has Jimmy B played in?  AC brings it every night.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: T990 on March 01, 2008, 09:44:58 pm
for pridefan: not your team.  ;)
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on March 01, 2008, 10:39:00 pm
AC is TOUGH.  He is the toughest player in the NEWMAC by far. No one else brings it to the table like AC every night.  He is the reason WPI has been so successful for the past few seasons.  Don't give me all of Jimmy B's stats.  How many big game has Jimmy B played in?  AC brings it every night.

AC has alot of help.  He may be a tough player, but he isnt the best player in the league. Last time I checked, player of the year is an individual award.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: baseballguy on March 02, 2008, 06:58:46 am
AC vs JB - one on one to see who wins POY.  I know who my money would be on.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: jamiejohn on March 02, 2008, 12:00:23 pm
I dont think it is even close, JB is a way better player. he does it all. look at the numbers
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on March 02, 2008, 03:09:45 pm
AC vs JB - one on one to see who wins POY.  I know who my money would be on.

There are at least 5 players I would take over Coleman for POY (and even more I would take over him 1 on 1). 

To be completely honest, Coleman has alot of trouble setting up his own shot.  He has a very average left hand and when he tries to drive that way, he tends to turn it over (thats why he doesnt do it that much).  He has a very strong game inside the paint, when he is able to take short runners and mini-hooks to finish with his right.  He is also a decent from 3 when he has a wide open shot and a strong defender, but he is not a great 1 on 1 player.  If you do not believe me, go watch him play and look for what I said.  I have seen him play over the last 3 years, his left hand is a glaring weakness.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: AboveDaRim2399 on March 02, 2008, 06:15:03 pm
Well you all can keep argueing about who is the player of the year but i guess we know who the team of the year is. Coast Guard heading to the tournament for the second year in a row!
I'm sure both of those guys will have a great time WATCHING Coast Guard in the NCAA tournament (Coleman will get to play in the ECAC for sure...and maybe WPI can sneak into the NCAA). WPI is a really tough team and if they are clicking they could do some damage in the tournament. Hopefully they will get a bid for the big dance. I think they deserve it.

Great players are defined on how they play in big games...In the playoffs when the intensity is high, Jimmy B struggled.

AC has 17 and 11 with 2 blks vs babson and 22 and 7 today.
Jimmy B had 12 points no rebounds and 8 tournovers vs CGA first round...
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: LyonFan on March 02, 2008, 07:24:24 pm

There are at least 5 players I would take over Coleman for POY (and even more I would take over him 1 on 1). 


Abovedarim - Are you being serious, or merely provocative?  Bartolatta is far and away the most complete player in the NEWMAC.  Teams do not shadow Coleman with their best defender, along with doubling him when he has the ball.  Don't get me wrong - AC is a terrific player, great competitor, should be a NEWMAC all star (second team), but he's not even the MVP of his own team; I'd give that to Kirkland.

Who are the league all stars?  My cut:

First team: Bartolatta, MIT, Kirkland, WPI, Alexander, CLK, Prebeck, CGA, G.Johnson, CGA
Second team: Etten, BAB, Sowers, CGA, Coppola, WHE, Coleman, WPI, Normandin, CLK

toughest vote: Normandin over Strawson and/or Soumare.
toughest ommission: G.Johnson

Honorable mention: K. MacDonald, BAB, Leo, WHE, Daly (heck all the starters), SPR

Comments?  When are the selections made?
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: AboveDaRim2399 on March 02, 2008, 07:58:25 pm

AC is a terrific player, great competitor, should be a NEWMAC all star (second team), but he's not even the MVP of his own team; I'd give that to Kirkland.

You may of had me until you said Kirkland...I think if you are going to say WPI has a better player then AC it would have to be Marois. But i mean everyone is allowed to have their own opinions. I would say there are 3 or 4 other guards in the NEWMAC better than Kirkland
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on March 02, 2008, 08:57:04 pm

AC is a terrific player, great competitor, should be a NEWMAC all star (second team), but he's not even the MVP of his own team; I'd give that to Kirkland.

You may of had me until you said Kirkland...I think if you are going to say WPI has a better player then AC it would have to be Marois. But i mean everyone is allowed to have their own opinions. I would say there are 3 or 4 other guards in the NEWMAC better than Kirkland

I agree with you about Morois, he always seems to be making the big shots for WPI.  Kirkland is a very solid guard also.  You have to have alot of good players to win as many games as they did.

As for the comments about Bartolotta, he does face alot of double teams and when he drives into the paint he gets even more attention.  You also cant really judge him by a single playoff game either.  Neither he, nor MIT, was the same team after he went out with an injury after the OT loss to WPI.  Hopefully the team will come together next year and he will be able to show what he can do in the NEWMAC and hopefully in the NCAAs.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: baseballguy on March 02, 2008, 09:15:45 pm
lyonfan-you don't know what you are talking about.  I saw the NEWMAC semi's & final, you are way off base.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: AboveDaRim2399 on March 03, 2008, 09:01:21 pm
Congrats to WPI on making it as an at large. Hopefully they can do some damage. Tough first round with VA W. CGA also got a rough pull...getting a low seed and drawing Trinity first round with Mass-D awaiting the winner
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on March 04, 2008, 12:01:11 pm
I thought I would update the stats for the player of the year candidates I mentioned midway through the season:
JB= Jimmy Bartolotta (MIT), ACol = Antoine Coleman (WPI), CJ = Craig Johnson (CGA) , ACop = Anthony Coppola (WHE), and KM = Kyle McDonald (Babson)

          JB          ACol         CJ              ACop              KM
PPG: 23.9 (1)   14.2 (6)   14.6 (5)     20.0 (2)      15.1 (4)
RPG:  5.8 (9)     6.1 (7)     8.7 (2)       NR               NR
FG%: 53.3 (5) 48.1 (10)  56.6 (3)     50.6 (7)      50.2 (8.)
APG:  4.0 (2)      NR         1.78 (15)    NR               3.0 (5)
FT%: 80.5 (5)     NR            NR        74.7 (10)       74.3 (12)
SPG:  2.33 (2)  1.48 (8.)   1.26 (13)  1.08 (12)         NR
3P%: 41.5 (5)     NR           NR         47.2 (2)          47.3 (1)
3PM:  2.46 (3)     NR           NR         3.40 (1)         1.72 (8.)
BPG:  0.96 (6)  0.52 (12)     NR            NR                 NR
A/T:  1.01 (4)       NR           NR           NR               0.69 (5)
OReb:1.71 (13) 2.30 (6)  2.30 (6)        NR                  NR
DReb:4.04 (8.)   4.10 (9)   6.44 (1)      NR              3.44 (15)

Again, JB is ranked in all 12 categories. ACol in 7, CJ in 7, ACop in 6 and KM in 8.  JB is ranked top 5 in 8 categories, ACol in 0 categories, CJ in 4 categories, ACop in 3 categories and KM in 4 categories.  Note, Marke Alexander of Clark is also ranked in 6 categories, but only 2 in the top 5: he is 3rd in ppg (16.2) and 5th in steals (1.71).
Title: Newmac Awards
Post by: bdugan26 on March 04, 2008, 01:42:50 pm
I've followed NEWMAC basketball very closely this year and seen every team play at least once, most I've seen play twice or more.  Based on what I've seen this is my break down of the end of season awards. Im not sure of the exact format the lague does, but heres my breakdown :

POY- Jimmy Bartalotta (MIT)
NEWMAC 1st team
Kyle McDonald (Babson)
Anthony Coppolla (Wheaton)
Jeff Prebeck (Coast Guard)
Antoine Coleman (WPI)

Second Team
Craig Johnson- Coast Guard
Mark Alexander- Clark
Jamaal Gibbs- Springfield
Al Sowers- Coast Guard
Hamidou Soumare- MIT

Honorable Mention : Zach Etten (Babson) Jerome Kirkland (WPI) Peter Normandin(Clark) Greg Daly (Springfield)

Rookie of the Year: Coppolla

I'm not solely basing this on stats, but what each player did for their team and with their surrounding cast...


Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: NEballer on March 04, 2008, 02:11:57 pm
I don't really see how JB couldn't be the POY. I've seen every team play at least once and a few twice and he is the best player I have seen.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on March 04, 2008, 03:11:30 pm
The only reason he may not get it is MITs bad finish to the year.  The same thing happened last year when WPI was #1 in the conference and Ryan Cain got the award, while JB had the best numbers again.  The numbers were closer last year though, this year he has the best numbers by far.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on March 04, 2008, 03:14:51 pm
They just announced the awards:

NEWMAC Athlete of the Year:

Antoine Coleman, WPI

NEWMAC Rookie of the Year:

Anthony Coppola, Wheaton College

NEWMAC Coach of the Year:

Chris Bartley, WPI

NEWMAC Sportsmanship Award:

Clark University

FIRST TEAM ALL-CONFERENCE

Kyle McDonald, Babson

Craig Johnson, Coast Guard

Jimmy Bartolotta, MIT

Al Sowers, Coast Guard

Antoine Coleman, WPI

SECOND TEAM ALL-CONFERENCE

Mark Alexander, Clark

Jeff Prebeck, Coast Guard

Jamaal Gibbs, Springfield

Anthony Coppola, Wheaton

Jim Marois, WPI
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on March 04, 2008, 06:15:25 pm
I guess that i cant say that I am surprised by the choices, although I disagree with a few.  When your team loses 8 straight, ends the year with a losing record, and is tied for last in the league, you cant be surprised with any decision.  If they had finished top 3, the POY may have been different and Dou Soumare would probably have made first team all league with the same numbers (he was 8th in scoring, 2nd in FG%, 1st in rebounding, 1st in offensive rebounds, 2nd in defensive rebounds, 1st in blocked shots, and 10th in steals).
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on March 04, 2008, 08:13:55 pm
According to the mit website, Bartolotta lost the POY in a tiebreaker, here is an excerpt:

"Junior Jimmy Bartolotta was MIT's lone representative on the all-conference teams, earning his second consecutive first team selection. The two-time and reigning NEWMAC scoring champion lost his bid for Player of the Year for the second time under eerily similar circumstances. After Bartolotta and Coleman finished the voting tied for the conference's most prestigious individual honor, the remaining five coaches conducted a second vote to determine the Player of the Year. Bartolotta was on the wrong end of another 3-2 decision that enabled WPI to hang on to the league's top individual award. After guiding WPI to the regular-season NEWMAC Championship, Ryan Cain was named Player of the Year in 2007."
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: baseballguy on March 04, 2008, 08:22:00 pm
I figured Coleman would win.  It is not always about stats when choosing the POY.  Coaches like all the other stuff as well, the intangibles(toughness, winner, etc...) and I think the coaches vote for the awards not stat geeks.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on March 04, 2008, 08:55:31 pm
Well according to you, half the coaches are stat geeks, because the vote was tied after the first vote.  We will see how he stacks up in the regional and all-american voting with his 14 and 6.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 04, 2008, 09:43:04 pm
Unless they allow a split vote (half Coleman/half Bartolotta) then neither one actually got half. I'm not a huge nerd, just an average nerd, but I know that half of an odd number is not a whole number.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: bdugan26 on March 04, 2008, 10:14:38 pm
Well according to you, half the coaches are stat geeks, because the vote was tied after the first vote.  We will see how he stacks up in the regional and all-american voting with his 14 and 6.

We'll also see how his 14 and 6 stack up in the NCAA tournament ;)
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on March 04, 2008, 10:18:49 pm
Unless they allow a split vote (half Coleman/half Bartolotta) then neither one actually got half. I'm not a huge nerd, just an average nerd, but I know that half of an odd number is not a whole number.

You know what I mean.  I know there are 7 teams.  I believe the tiebreaker, effectively, was asking the 5 coaches, other than MIT and WPI, to vote on JB or AC, and he lost 3-2. 
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on March 04, 2008, 10:20:35 pm
Well according to you, half the coaches are stat geeks, because the vote was tied after the first vote.  We will see how he stacks up in the regional and all-american voting with his 14 and 6.

We'll also see how his 14 and 6 stack up in the NCAA tournament ;)

We will see.  My guess is that they dont get out of the first round, but Ive been wrong before.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: pridefan on March 05, 2008, 07:10:55 am
Congrats to Coast Guard as NEWMAC champs and to members of the NEWMAC POY, 1st, and 2nd teams. wow - POY voting sure kept the controversy going between JB and AC!

I must rally to the defense of Springfield (hey I am Pridefan) and question why they weren't better represented beyond Gibbs.  Nothing against Prebeck, but just check his NEWMAC only stats (their non-conference schedule is a cupcake compared to Springfield ( Williams, Trinity, RIC twice..) and he trails Daly for example in almost every category(who led the Pride in scoring,rebounding,blocked shots,FT's) and who outplayed Prebeck handily in their matchups.

Oh well, glad NEWMAC has 2 teams in the dance and wish them well!









Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: clarkie on March 05, 2008, 02:23:06 pm
It always seems somewhat strange to me that a team that was not completely dominant in the conference could have three representatives. With that being said, congrats to all those that won.

I would have given my vote to Jimmy Bartolotta, but maybe if he wins the Jostens than this whole debate can be mollified.

It certainly was a good year for the NEWMAC.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on March 05, 2008, 08:43:54 pm
My guess Troy Ruths wins the Jostens this year, but I think JB has a good shot next year.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: atn alum on March 06, 2008, 03:03:47 pm
If you want to listen

NCAA 1st round matchup- Coast Guard vs Trinity, 7pm

we'll be on 6:50 for pre-game.

http://sportsjuice.com
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: LyonFan on March 06, 2008, 09:51:17 pm
Way to go CGA!  They win on the floor of NESCAC champs Trinity.  Go NEWMAC.  Wonder if Coast Guard will get some love in the national rankings now...
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 06, 2008, 09:59:43 pm

Coast Guard was high on my list coming into the year, but they just took a really long time to get it together.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on March 07, 2008, 08:36:43 pm
Well according to you, half the coaches are stat geeks, because the vote was tied after the first vote.  We will see how he stacks up in the regional and all-american voting with his 14 and 6.

We'll also see how his 14 and 6 stack up in the NCAA tournament ;)

We will see.  My guess is that they dont get out of the first round, but Ive been wrong before.

Not wrong this time.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: LyonFan on March 08, 2008, 11:11:59 pm
Great job by Coast Guard - when and how do the pairings work for the next round (of 16)?
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on March 08, 2008, 11:24:29 pm
The bracket doesnt change as far as I know.  They will play Rochester.  The site will be announced tomorrow.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: T990 on March 08, 2008, 11:25:27 pm
Yeeeeoooww

CGA wins 12th game in a row!  What a roll they are on!

 at Mass-Dartmouth (25-4)       W, 50-47

http://www.d3hoops.com/releases.php?release=7cau1rzjejne09x1

"Pairings and sites for the sectional round will be announced by the NCAA Sunday."
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: baseballguy on March 09, 2008, 09:23:04 pm
AC's 14 and 6 were good enough to get WPI in the NCAA's.  They played a very good VaWesleyan team tough all night. 
Hugenerd, how did JB and his 25ppg do in the post season?  You need to stop drooling over JB!
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: baseballguy on March 09, 2008, 09:37:22 pm
Great for the NEWMAC with Coast Guard beating two New England powers on their home court.  Trinity and Umass Dartmouth should not get rated above them when the next poll comes out.  NEWMAC should also be very proud  of the fight WPI gave VA Wesleyan.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on March 09, 2008, 09:59:52 pm
AC's 14 and 6 were good enough to get WPI in the NCAA's.  They played a very good VaWesleyan team tough all night. 
Hugenerd, how did JB and his 25ppg do in the post season?  You need to stop drooling over JB!

No one said anything about MIT, I just didnt think WPI was good enough to make an impact in the tourney.  You need to stop drooling over an average d3 player in Coleman.

I just dont think Coleman is a complete player or one of the top players in d3.  He, in general, is incapable of getting his own shot and is not an offensive threat if you keep him out of the lane (unless someone sets him up for a wide open 3).  He is a solid defender, a good athlete, and can finish with his right hand in the lane, but I wouldnt say he is a skill player. 

He played as well as he could in the first round game, but WPI couldnt get the win.  They couldnt overcome their poor FT shooting and VWU's good FT shooting down the stretch (it appears, at first glance, that there is a FT shooting discrepency in favor of VWU; however, 12 of their 31 FTs were in the last minute, when WPI was fouling intentionally, but before then the FT's were only 19-18 in favor of VWU, VWU shooting 17-19 and WPI 8-18).
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on March 10, 2008, 08:26:30 pm
Here's some information on the Ursinus sectional.  Includes accommodation, dining, directions, and team info:

http://www.ursinus.edu/content.asp?page=wintersports/BasketballM/0708/NCAAs/Sectional/NCAAsec.htm

Congrats to Coast Guard on two big NCAA wins -- safe travels to Collegeville this weekend.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 12, 2008, 01:49:30 pm
You may have already done this, but in case you haven't, I encourage you all to register to win the Salem prize package.

http://www.d3hoops.com/salemgiveaway/


• Hotel accommodations for Thursday, Friday and Saturday in one of the Roanoke Valley’s fine hotels, convenient to Roanoke Regional Airport and Valley View Mall, the largest shopping destination in Southwest Virginia.

• Two tickets to the Friday and Saturday sessions at the Salem Civic Center.

• Two tickets to the Thursday evening team banquet, including talks by all four coaches, a player from each team, the introduction of the starting lineup and the ever-popular highlight video.

• Two VIP hospitality passes, giving you sideline access before the game and access to the hospitality room.

• $400 toward your travel cost to get you to and around the Roanoke Valley.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: atn alum on March 14, 2008, 12:45:11 pm
Broadcast of NCAA Division III Sweet 16- Coast Guard vs Rochester

Coast Guard's audio

http://www.sportsjuice.com

D3Hoops.com's audio

http://www.d3hoops.com/audio
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: LyonFan on March 14, 2008, 07:36:46 pm
Wow!  CGA handles Rochester (with a tiny hiccup down the stretch) to earn an elite eight berth.  Sowers erupted for 9 straight points and the Bears never looked back.  Very good for the NEWMAC.  Hope they keep it going.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: eclinchy on March 14, 2008, 09:17:22 pm
Incredible Cinderella story... loving it.  Congrats to CGA... keep it up.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 16, 2008, 12:33:17 am
Well, no one has posted, so I will. Congrats to CGA on a heck of a season and a run through the NCAA Tournament. You had me as much as a fan as I could be calling the game (need to be unbias, if possible) and was very impressed with the "don't-say-die" attitude this team had from Al Sowers to Jeff Prebeck to Craig Johnson to Grant Johnson on down. The team certainly losses a lot of talent and leadership, but you can't take away the great season and four year run this group had. Very impressed... I salute you all!

(By the way, the response to "NA-VY RE-JECTS" - which isn't original - with "We Won't Save You!" was priceless. Great fans - including Commandant Thad Allen!)
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on March 16, 2008, 11:17:32 am
I second D-Mac's salute.  Congrats to Coast Guard on a truly memorable run through the tournament!
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Gray Fox on March 16, 2008, 12:44:24 pm
Just a quick update/reminder that "Quantum Hoops" will
be playing for one week (March 28-April 3) in Boston
and Seattle.
 
The Boston location is the Landmark Kendall Square
Cinema - across the strett from MIT.
 
The Seattle location is the Landmark Metro Cinemas.
 
We will also be playing for one night only in San
Antonio (April 10) and Austin (April 24).
 
If you are in these areas or know anyone who is,
please pass this email on to anybody you think might
be interested.
 
Feel free to email me directly with any questions or
suggestions.
 
 
THANKS FOR YOUR CONTINUED SUPPORT!
 
Rick
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 16, 2008, 02:25:49 pm


The Landmark in Cambridge is the best Indy theatre I've ever been to.  It's a great place to see great movies that won't find an audience anywhere else.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 16, 2008, 03:35:01 pm
Just a quick update/reminder that "Quantum Hoops" will
be playing for one week (March 28-April 3) in Boston
and Seattle.
 
The Boston location is the Landmark Kendall Square
Cinema - across the strett from MIT.
 
The Seattle location is the Landmark Metro Cinemas.
 
We will also be playing for one night only in San
Antonio (April 10) and Austin (April 24).

MIT -- perfect audience for this!
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on March 17, 2008, 09:36:01 pm
MIT picks up two big time new england recruits, headlined by 6'10" Ted Eby:

http://www.newenglandrecruitingreport.com/news/article/260/Ted-Eby-Headed-to-MIT.php

(Note: they have Coach Anderson's name linked to the wrong Larry Anderson).

For the full list of d3 recruits, see the links below.  The only other NEWMAC school I saw was WPI, with 2:

d3 list:
http://www.newenglandrecruitingreport.com/news/article/273/DIII-Commitment-CatchUp.php

Full list:
http://www.newenglandrecruitingreport.com/prospects/
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on March 19, 2008, 11:55:23 am
Looks like Jimmy B gets some of his due.  He gets chosen to first team all-region, Coleman gets 3rd team.  Congrats to both Bartolotta and Coleman.

Craig johnson gets 2nd team, Al Sowers gets 3rd team, and Anthony Coppola gets 3rd team.  Congrats to them as well.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: backboard on March 19, 2008, 01:09:29 pm
Prezzie-Blue is a much better guard than Al Sowers, what a shame
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on March 19, 2008, 01:26:32 pm
Also Congrats to Pete Barry  (Coast Guard) for winning northeast region coach of the year, and Anthony Coppola (Wheaton) for rookie of the year in the northeast.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 19, 2008, 01:31:27 pm
Prezzie-Blue is a much better guard than Al Sowers, what a shame

It's unfortunate the GNAC and TCCC didn't go to the polls as well as the NEWMAC did. Not sure who mobilized the three leagues but the NEWMAC did it well.

We had the large, red link on the front page for the entire voting period, sent an e-mail out to all SIDs at the beginning of the vote and with one day left, we contacted the conference SIDs (and some commissioners) with a list of everyone who had not voted so they could push for more representation from their league.

Some conferences saw this as a priority.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on March 23, 2008, 01:06:48 pm
Jimmy B gets honorable mention all-america.  Congrats!
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: nescac1 on April 02, 2008, 02:33:11 pm
hugenerd, any chance of Bracht coming back to the team?  If he does, you add him to Bartolotta, 6'8 Soumare, 6'8 Johnson, incoming recruits (6'10 Eby and I heard they may be getting a 6'8 shooter from Ohio who was also looking at Williams and Amherst, unconfirmed on that though) and that will be a national contender.  Even without Bracht, that has got to be the most intimidating front court in New England, if not all of D-III.  MIT should be right there with RIC, Middlebury, Amherst and Brandeis as the early favorites for top New England contenders next year ... the rest of the top NEWMAC teams seem to lose a lot other than Wheaton, who could be a dark horse. 
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: basketball on April 02, 2008, 10:00:27 pm
what happened to Bracht anyway?... He had such a good freshman year.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: eclinchy on April 03, 2008, 01:47:11 am
what happened to Bracht anyway?... He had such a good freshman year.

MIT players take years off all the time... I'm guessing it's because their schoolwork is kinda hard?

hugenerd, any chance of Bracht coming back to the team?  If he does, you add him to Bartolotta, 6'8 Soumare, 6'8 Johnson, incoming recruits (6'10 Eby and I heard they may be getting a 6'8 shooter from Ohio who was also looking at Williams and Amherst, unconfirmed on that though) and that will be a national contender.  Even without Bracht, that has got to be the most intimidating front court in New England, if not all of D-III.  MIT should be right there with RIC, Middlebury, Amherst and Brandeis as the early favorites for top New England contenders next year ... the rest of the top NEWMAC teams seem to lose a lot other than Wheaton, who could be a dark horse.

I like that top 5 a lot.  Not a big fan of Johnson from what little I've seen of him -- he doesn't seem like a very physical 6'8" guy, and he needs to shoot well to be effective.  But Soumare is a total beast, and Jimmy B is obviously a great player.  MIT should be solid regardless of their recruits -- although I thought they'd win the NEWMAC this year too, and I was way off. They're a tough team to predict.

Brandeis seemed like a weird pick to me at first, given all the talent they're losing, but on second thought they still have Olson, Hollins and Roberson.  Downright scary how deep that team was... they can lose a great five-deep senior class and still contend.  What's the latest on DeLuca?

RIC should be absolutely dominant. Amazing what they accomplished this year without a single solitary senior.  Looking forward to seeing how far that team can go next year.

I think Middlebury's the early favorite to win the NESCAC.  Smith and Rudin are two of the league's top five seniors (along with Pierce, Baskauskas, and either Bowdoin's Kyle Jackson or Colby's Artie Cutrone) -- can't beat senior leadership like that.  Amherst has a lot of hype surrounding their young big guys (Kurt Bennett, Billy Butler et al), but I'll wait til I see it to believe it.  The Panthers are the team to beat.

Another team I'd throw out there is Trinity -- they lose a lot but return arguably their two best defenders in NESCAC DPOY Aaron Westbrooks and Paul Rowe, both rising seniors.  Tufts will also be strong, but I'm obviously biased there.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on April 03, 2008, 02:35:23 am
what happened to Bracht anyway?... He had such a good freshman year.

MIT players take years off all the time... I'm guessing it's because their schoolwork is kinda hard?

hugenerd, any chance of Bracht coming back to the team?  If he does, you add him to Bartolotta, 6'8 Soumare, 6'8 Johnson, incoming recruits (6'10 Eby and I heard they may be getting a 6'8 shooter from Ohio who was also looking at Williams and Amherst, unconfirmed on that though) and that will be a national contender.  Even without Bracht, that has got to be the most intimidating front court in New England, if not all of D-III.  MIT should be right there with RIC, Middlebury, Amherst and Brandeis as the early favorites for top New England contenders next year ... the rest of the top NEWMAC teams seem to lose a lot other than Wheaton, who could be a dark horse.

I like that top 5 a lot.  Not a big fan of Johnson from what little I've seen of him -- he doesn't seem like a very physical 6'8" guy, and he needs to shoot well to be effective.  But Soumare is a total beast, and Jimmy B is obviously a great player.  MIT should be solid regardless of their recruits -- although I thought they'd win the NEWMAC this year too, and I was way off. They're a tough team to predict.

Brandeis seemed like a weird pick to me at first, given all the talent they're losing, but on second thought they still have Olson, Hollins and Roberson.  Downright scary how deep that team was... they can lose a great five-deep senior class and still contend.  What's the latest on DeLuca?

RIC should be absolutely dominant. Amazing what they accomplished this year without a single solitary senior.  Looking forward to seeing how far that team can go next year.

I think Middlebury's the early favorite to win the NESCAC.  Smith and Rudin are two of the league's top five seniors (along with Pierce, Baskauskas, and either Bowdoin's Kyle Jackson or Colby's Artie Cutrone) -- can't beat senior leadership like that.  Amherst has a lot of hype surrounding their young big guys (Kurt Bennett, Billy Butler et al), but I'll wait til I see it to believe it.  The Panthers are the team to beat.

Another team I'd throw out there is Trinity -- they lose a lot but return arguably their two best defenders in NESCAC DPOY Aaron Westbrooks and Paul Rowe, both rising seniors.  Tufts will also be strong, but I'm obviously biased there.

From what I hear, there isnt much hope of Bracht coming back.  I dont think its the schoolwork, he just doesnt seem to want to play.  Soumare didnt play last year because he studied abroad.  Bracht, on the other hand, was on campus and decided not to play.  MIT also lost another big man to lack of motivation to play basketball. Adam Juneau was a solid 6'9" - 6'10" big man who played decent minutes when MIT won 21 games a few years back.  He would be a senior next year,  but hasnt played since his freshman year.   On top of that, MIT also had this past years top recruit, who was also a forward, quit after the first week of practice.  It is also worth noting that this years backup center, Alex Bagley, played basketball only his freshman and senior years (he didnt play his sophomore or junior seasons).  For whatever reason, MIT has had problems retaining their big men.  In my opinion, this has more to do with the players themselves and not much else.  The program has just been unlucky to get players that arent mentally tough enough to play basketball and go to school at MIT.

Johnson may be 6'8", but if he, Soumare, and Eby (for example) were on the court, Soumare would play the 4 on offense and guard the other teams 3 on defense.  Johnson isnt really a post presence on offense, although he has size, he is a very good shooter and creates alot of matchup problems.  He is most effective when he is shooting well, getting setup for shots by his teammates, and, most importantly, when he is healthy. 

MIT has lacked depth the last couple of years.  This year they had a solid top 6 or 7, but they were always one or two injuries from having an average to bad year.  Unfortunately for them, they had a bunch of injuries the last half of the season, causing several key players to miss games or play hurt.  When they were healthy, I think they were one of the top 3 teams in the conference. With the new recruits, they will have much needed depth in the post and some additional scorers.  I am sure Bartolotta will still play at least 35 minutes per game, but next season they should be able to have a better rotation of their big men and not be so dependent on Soumare.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: nescac1 on April 03, 2008, 07:07:12 am
Deluca is coming back for Brandeis.  He, Hollins, Magee, and Yemga should form the best front court in New England if he is fully recovered from injuries, and Roberson / Olson are a solid back-court: I think Brandeis may be the team to beat.   

I agree that Midd should be very solid, Amherst is not as experienced but still has the most talent in the conference, they are bringing in at least two D-I caliber big guys either or both of whom could potentially start as frosh, it really depends how fast those two along with Bennett can adjust to being the go-to players on the interior.   Of course Olson is irreplaceable but Meehan will still be one of the better points in the region.   RIC always seems to lose some guys you wouldn't expect, but I agree if everyone returns and they get a consistent rotation they will be scary good.  Seems as if outside of MIT and Wheaton, lots of Newmac teams should be down.  Same thing goes for NESCAC outside of Middlebury.  Trinity loses really its only three consistent scoring options for the last two years, there is still talent there but a lot of guys have to step up in a big way, and there is no experienced interior player on the roster.  Williams may surprise with a bounce back year amidst lower expectations.  Schultz and Geoghegan are a great starting point (I think both will explode as juniors), the question is how much will they get out of their hoard of talented young big guys (Whittington and Dodson in particular) and how fast will the incoming point guard adjust to college ball.  Colby brings almost everyone back and could be a dark horse out of NESCAC as well, and Bowdoin loses a ton but still has some talent left.  A long way of saying, New England should be pretty wide open next year ...
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: eclinchy on April 04, 2008, 04:45:46 pm
Just a quick update/reminder that "Quantum Hoops" will
be playing for one week (March 28-April 3) in Boston
and Seattle.
 
The Boston location is the Landmark Kendall Square
Cinema - across the strett from MIT.
 
The Seattle location is the Landmark Metro Cinemas.
 
We will also be playing for one night only in San
Antonio (April 10) and Austin (April 24).
 
If you are in these areas or know anyone who is,
please pass this email on to anybody you think might
be interested.
 
Feel free to email me directly with any questions or
suggestions.
 
 
THANKS FOR YOUR CONTINUED SUPPORT!
 
Rick

Rick,

Enjoy the good press... you earned it.  Tufts Daily review (http://www.tuftsdaily.com/media/storage/paper856/news/2008/04/04/Arts/Movie.Review.A.Team.Of.Geniuses.Finds.A.Test.It.Cant.Ace.In.quantum.Hoops-3304371.shtml?reffeature=popuarstoriestab)

Great job with the film -- I really enjoyed it.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: clarkie on June 21, 2008, 11:30:21 am
Any summer NEWMAC news or updates?
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: T990 on June 24, 2008, 11:34:27 pm
Any summer NEWMAC news or updates?

On nextplay.com there is this about Babson recruiting:

"In commitment news, Suffield Academy guard, Lambros Papalambros, is heading to Babson next year, and is already preparing for the game at the college level.  He has lofty goals, as he intends “to make Babson the best program in New England, period.”  The 6’4” point guard sees the floor very well, and uses his size well as a scorer.  Papalambros is working on his stroke from three point land, as the college line will now be 12 inches deeper than the high school line to which he’s accustomed.  Quick and athletic for his size, expect Lambros to make an immediate impact at the college level.  As a post-graduate player at Suffield Academy, Papalambros led the team to a 12-6 record and won the team MVP award.  He chose Babson over Bates College and Division II Stonehill College,as he felt his relationship with Head Coach Steve Brennan was better than with any other coach.  Overall, Babson brings in a talented freshman class, as Boothbay Regional High School banger Kris Noonan (Boothbay Harbor, ME) and Noble & Greenough (Dedham, MA) shooter Jake Gruber join the Babson class of 2012.  "

http://www.nextplay.com/news.aspx?id=19
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Clark Basketball on June 25, 2008, 03:07:51 pm
Deluca is coming back for Brandeis.  He, Hollins, Magee, and Yemga should form the best front court in New England if he is fully recovered from injuries, and Roberson / Olson are a solid back-court: I think Brandeis may be the team to beat.   

I agree that Midd should be very solid, Amherst is not as experienced but still has the most talent in the conference, they are bringing in at least two D-I caliber big guys either or both of whom could potentially start as frosh, it really depends how fast those two along with Bennett can adjust to being the go-to players on the interior.   Of course Olson is irreplaceable but Meehan will still be one of the better points in the region.   RIC always seems to lose some guys you wouldn't expect, but I agree if everyone returns and they get a consistent rotation they will be scary good.  Seems as if outside of MIT and Wheaton, lots of Newmac teams should be down.  Same thing goes for NESCAC outside of Middlebury.  Trinity loses really its only three consistent scoring options for the last two years, there is still talent there but a lot of guys have to step up in a big way, and there is no experienced interior player on the roster.  Williams may surprise with a bounce back year amidst lower expectations.  Schultz and Geoghegan are a great starting point (I think both will explode as juniors), the question is how much will they get out of their hoard of talented young big guys (Whittington and Dodson in particular) and how fast will the incoming point guard adjust to college ball.  Colby brings almost everyone back and could be a dark horse out of NESCAC as well, and Bowdoin loses a ton but still has some talent left.  A long way of saying, New England should be pretty wide open next year ...

Why is all the talk about MIT and Wheaton in the NEWMAC.  They finished tied for last in the league for the past two years.  It is the same talk every year about these teams, yet they have never gone to the dance.  I would be talking about WPI.  And Clark finished second in the league last year with all coming back plus probably the best recruiting class in the league coming in.  I would agree with the top teams in NE next year as stated above, but just thrown off with people putting MIT and Wheaton in the mix.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 25, 2008, 05:29:18 pm
I posted similarly elsewhere, but if you want to talk about Clark, you might want to make more than 17 posts in three years. :)
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Clark Basketball on June 26, 2008, 12:26:43 pm
Pat, I wasnt asking people to talk about clark.  I was asking for the reasoning to people putting the 2 last place newmac teams in their conversation of top new england teams
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 26, 2008, 12:51:49 pm
And what I'm saying is that you might want to represent Clark a little more than once every six weeks if you want to change that. :)
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Clark Basketball on June 26, 2008, 02:00:36 pm
So you are saying the more I post the better the Cougars get? If I post everyday, people will start to put Clark in the top 10 in New England?  This is great!
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: T990 on June 26, 2008, 02:07:50 pm
...Clark ... with all coming back plus probably the best recruiting class in the league coming in. 

Clark Basketball, can you tell us about Clark's recruits coming in?  Thanks.

Also, I believe Clark has a JV program.  Will any of those players be moving to the varsity this year?
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Clark Basketball on June 26, 2008, 02:36:18 pm
I know they have 2 kids coming from Proctor. One who is supposed to be an immediate impact player. Renshaw from wachusett, Vayda from Tantasqua and a wide body from East Catholic in Hartford.  And I heard a low d1 transfer is on his way too.  Dont know much about the JV guys.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on June 27, 2008, 09:17:24 pm
Deluca is coming back for Brandeis.  He, Hollins, Magee, and Yemga should form the best front court in New England if he is fully recovered from injuries, and Roberson / Olson are a solid back-court: I think Brandeis may be the team to beat.   

I agree that Midd should be very solid, Amherst is not as experienced but still has the most talent in the conference, they are bringing in at least two D-I caliber big guys either or both of whom could potentially start as frosh, it really depends how fast those two along with Bennett can adjust to being the go-to players on the interior.   Of course Olson is irreplaceable but Meehan will still be one of the better points in the region.   RIC always seems to lose some guys you wouldn't expect, but I agree if everyone returns and they get a consistent rotation they will be scary good.  Seems as if outside of MIT and Wheaton, lots of Newmac teams should be down.  Same thing goes for NESCAC outside of Middlebury.  Trinity loses really its only three consistent scoring options for the last two years, there is still talent there but a lot of guys have to step up in a big way, and there is no experienced interior player on the roster.  Williams may surprise with a bounce back year amidst lower expectations.  Schultz and Geoghegan are a great starting point (I think both will explode as juniors), the question is how much will they get out of their hoard of talented young big guys (Whittington and Dodson in particular) and how fast will the incoming point guard adjust to college ball.  Colby brings almost everyone back and could be a dark horse out of NESCAC as well, and Bowdoin loses a ton but still has some talent left.  A long way of saying, New England should be pretty wide open next year ...

Why is all the talk about MIT and Wheaton in the NEWMAC.  They finished tied for last in the league for the past two years.  It is the same talk every year about these teams, yet they have never gone to the dance.  I would be talking about WPI.  And Clark finished second in the league last year with all coming back plus probably the best recruiting class in the league coming in.  I would agree with the top teams in NE next year as stated above, but just thrown off with people putting MIT and Wheaton in the mix.

I am not familiar with all of the NEWMAC teams, like I was 2-3 years ago, but I think I can somewhat explain the reasoning for MIT getting mentioned.  MIT played very solid their first 18 games last year (12-6), and nearly beat Amherst on the road (one posession game with the ball under 30 seconds).  Unfortunately, they lacked depth and after incurring a few injuries, including to their best player, they were never the same and lost their last 8 games.   The excitement comes from the fact that they get nearly every one of their significant contributors back.  Their all-american, jimmy bartolotta, will be a senior and has shown the last two years that he can consistently play at a high level.  They get back their senior starting point guard, Bradley Gampel, "shooting forward", Billy Johnson (aka Fenway Flip), and significant freshman contributor daniel mccue.  The most surprising return is hamidou soumare, who with a year of eligibility, will do a one-year masters and return to the team.  On top of that, MIT is bringing in 6'10" Ted Eby (ranked top 140 recruit in new england and top 40 in massachusetts), Jamie Karraker (6'3" shooting guard, top 300 in new england), and a third player whos name is eluding me at the moment.  Anyway, if they can stay healthy, they will now have some depth at every position, a freakish athlete in soumare, an experienced senior point guard, a 6'8" small forward who can shoot from anywhere on the court, and arguably the best individual player in new england. Add to that a true center and a couple solid wingmen, and you have the makings of a good team. 

Also, I think the main reason MIT is getting mention on the nescac boards is because how well they played amherst last year and how well bartollota has performed against them.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: senatorfrost on June 27, 2008, 09:53:24 pm
 Bartolotta was best player I saw last year. Against Amherst he played VERY well. He did everything, name it, he did it. I think however, he kind of wore down the last minute or so. He could have used more help.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: T990 on August 11, 2008, 11:16:01 am
The MIT schedule is posted.

http://mitathletics.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/sched/mit-m-baskbl-sched.html

Apparently MIT is not playing Amherst this year, or these teams from last year's schedule: Conn College, Endicott, and WNEC.

But they are playing in the Engineers Classic in Milwaukee (RPI, Rose Hulman, MSOE), playing at Salem State (an excellent team), and playing at Yale (Division 1).
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: interestedfan on August 18, 2008, 12:09:18 pm
Good Day To All,

   I tried to get back to watching college ball last year, but the move back to the area and the job did not leave me much time to do more than follow the teams in the papers.

   Can anyone help me out here by telling me the outlook for Clark & WPI, they will the two teams i should be able to see the most.  I know WPI graduated Coleman, Marois and Borque.  What are they bringing in for freshmen and will any of them have any impact?  What guys on the roster last year will step up?

Clark graduated 3 as well, same qustions for them, new guys and last years reservses - who wil step up this season ?

From reading the posts here, It would seem like MIT would be an early favorite to supplant WPI on top of the conference.  Im guessing CGA, will have a hard time replacing 6 seniors and repeating their late season success.

Hey, I know its a long way off, and its football season, but I just had to put something out here.  With all this wonderful weather, i managed to get my wife's "master list of things husband must do" completed.  Oh honey, may I go out and play a round of golf?  (Any recommendations for a good public course in the Worcester area?)


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Post by: Hugenerd on August 18, 2008, 07:40:49 pm
If anyone is interested, here is a recent article from Slam Magazine where they interview MIT Associate Head Coach Oliver Eslinger:

http://slamonline.com/online/2008/08/athletic-intelligence/
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Post by: Hugenerd on August 26, 2008, 11:03:03 pm
Another article that some may find interesting.  New England Recruting Report ranked top recruiting steals of this years class, MIT made the list (as did Brandeis):

http://www.newenglandrecruitingreport.com/news/article/444/The-Biggest-Steals-of-2008-Part-I.php
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Post by: T990 on September 20, 2008, 11:18:11 pm
Dr. Oliver Eslinger, a Clark grad and MIT assistant, has taken the Head Coaching position at Cal Tech.

Here's a copy/paste of the article on www.d3hoops.com :

MIT assistant gets shot at Caltech

After a search with more than 120 applicants, Caltech got its man in MIT's associate head coach, Oliver Eslinger who has spent that past six years as the top assistant men's basketball coach at MIT. He takes over at a school that has more Nobel Prize winners than men's basketball victories: the Beavers were 1-24 last season, 1-24 the year before and 0-25 the previous year.

Caltech has not won a SCIAC game in men's basketball since 1985, a span of 273 games. MIT, which has similar academic constraints, has gone 87-73 (.544) since Eslinger joined the staff in 2002. He replaces Roy Dow, who went 4-144 in six years at Caltech.

"Oliver is an ideal fit for Caltech as his MIT background really allows him to hit the ground running here at Caltech," said athletic director Wendell Jack.

Nearly every season under Eslinger, MIT has ranked nationally in the top 10 in field goal percentage defense, scoring defense, rebounding margin or free throw percentage. He coached the 2006 team when it traveled to Taiwan and won the Kainan Invitational International Tournament Championship.

Prior to MIT, Eslinger previously served as head coach at Boston University Academy and as an assistant coach at Bethlehem Central High School in Delmar, N.Y.

Eslinger played at Clark, where he was a starting guard and majored in psychology. Eslinger holds a doctorate in counseling psychology-sport psychology and masters degree in counseling from Boston University.
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Post by: old_hooper on September 21, 2008, 11:13:50 pm
If he wins two games in a season he will be a hero.  Wish him well because it is a tough job at Cal Tech.
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Post by: Hugenerd on September 23, 2008, 12:55:08 am
I think Coach Eslinger will have a great shot at succeeding at CalTech.  He definitely has the proper experience for the job, being at MIT for the past 6 years.  Given that MIT has better talent, I still think the same game plan employed by Coach Anderson and Coach Eslinger at MIT could work at CalTech.  That is emphasizing defense.  Not everyone can be a skilled offensive player, but defense, rebounding, and hustle is something you can build your team on even if you have only a couple of scoring options.  As it says on the front page "Nearly every season under Eslinger, MIT has ranked nationally in the top 10 in field goal percentage defense, scoring defense, [and] rebounding margin." Controlling the tempo of the game (slow), running set pieces every time you dont get something in transition, rebounding, and defense: thats how MIT was successful even when they had less talented teams and thats what I think Caltech's best chance is also.  If you cant get your team to buy into defense, you will at least give yourself a chance in most games.

Good luck in Pasadena, at least you wont have to worry about the snow this winter.
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Post by: Hugenerd on September 23, 2008, 08:54:50 pm
Eslinger also gets a mention on ESPN TrueHoop for some work he did on his blog:

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop?tag=phoenix%20suns
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Post by: Hugenerd on October 09, 2008, 09:24:49 pm
Jimmy Bartolotta (MIT) and Craig Johnson (CGA) were named honorable mention All-Americans by The Sporting News.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on October 09, 2008, 09:37:27 pm
Former MIT assistant and now CalTech head coach, Oliver Eslinger, in a new interview:
http://interviewbasketball.com/2008/10/09/oliver-eslinger/

In related news, MIT has hired former Carnegie Mellon assistant, and Irish SuperLeague standout, Kevin Byrne to replace Eslinger.
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Post by: massd3fan on October 22, 2008, 08:38:03 pm
MIT's initial roster is up....but no Ted Eby!  Any ideas why?  Hugenerd...any insight on this?

http://mitathletics.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/mit-m-baskbl-mtt.html
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Post by: Hugenerd on October 23, 2008, 12:45:58 am
MIT's initial roster is up....but no Ted Eby!  Any ideas why?  Hugenerd...any insight on this?

http://mitathletics.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/mit-m-baskbl-mtt.html


Yeah, I didnt want to bring it up but I believe that he isnt playing.  He was on the roster, along with the other recruits, until October 15 (first day of practice) at which time he did not show up.  I dont know Ted Eby and I havent talked to the coaches about him, other than hearing that he isnt playing, so I dont know the reason for his absence.  I think I heard he is doing crew.

Since he was listed as a top 150 player in the northeast coming out of high school and he went to MIT (he was listed as a top 10 "steal" by the northeast recruiting report), it makes you think that he may not have intended on playing basketball at all and was a bit dishonest with the coaching staff recruiting him.  I feel bad for the Coach Anderson, his staff, and players who were counting on him to be there this season, but I know they wont dwell on it. 

I still think MIT will be solid this season and compete for the NEWMAC title. The still have, arguably, the best player in the region and 4 of there 5 starters are seniors. Alot will depend on who will step into that last starting spot at the 2 or 3 and what kind of play they get out of their freshman.  Of their returning non-injured players (see below), other than the 4 seniors, only 1 has played significant minutes and that is backup PG Patrick Sissman. Their weakness will again be depth, as they are also without injured sophomore Dan McCue who played an increasing role as a freshman last year.  They are going to need someone to step up as a backup big also.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: massd3fan on October 23, 2008, 07:53:04 am
Hugenerd,

   Thank you for the info.  What insight do you have on other teams in this conference.  Can WPI reload after graduating their front line?  Can Coast Guard replace all the seniors  that they lost?  Can Babson step up and challenge?

I had heard Clark had grabbed a couple of good recruits in the 6'5"-6'6" range, WPI has a big group of frosh coming in and Babson had at least 3 quality recruits ready to go.  Im not sure what CGA has coming in this year.  Does Wheaton have anyone big to besides Leo to compliment Coppola?

   Right now, on paper it would look as though MIT would be a favorite, but Not having Eby changes the dynamic there, no doubt.   I think people were looking at 6'10, 6'8" & 6,8" along with Bartolotta and figuring the confernce was theirs for the taking.  It maybe just a bit more difficult now without an Eby to handle the middle.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on October 23, 2008, 02:42:38 pm
Hugenerd,

   Thank you for the info.  What insight do you have on other teams in this conference.  Can WPI reload after graduating their front line?  Can Coast Guard replace all the seniors  that they lost?  Can Babson step up and challenge?

I had heard Clark had grabbed a couple of good recruits in the 6'5"-6'6" range, WPI has a big group of frosh coming in and Babson had at least 3 quality recruits ready to go.  Im not sure what CGA has coming in this year.  Does Wheaton have anyone big to besides Leo to compliment Coppola?

   Right now, on paper it would look as though MIT would be a favorite, but Not having Eby changes the dynamic there, no doubt.   I think people were looking at 6'10, 6'8" & 6,8" along with Bartolotta and figuring the confernce was theirs for the taking.  It maybe just a bit more difficult now without an Eby to handle the middle.

I am not as familiar with the other teams in the NEWMAC as I used to be.  I know WPI lost a few of their top players but they always seem to have depth. Coast Guard also lost some of their top players but has Johnson back.  Wheaton has some top returning players.  Looks pretty up for grabs at this point.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: massd3fan on October 23, 2008, 02:59:01 pm
Hugenerd,

Thanks for your input!  I have to say, you win the best login id name contest!

Anyone out there who shed some more light on the state of the teams in the NEWMAC?   
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Post by: massd3fan on October 30, 2008, 01:03:01 pm
A couple more rosters are up :

Springfield:

http://www.spfldcol.edu/homepage/athletics.nsf/Mens-Basketball-Roster

looks like 7 freshmen on the roster for Coach Brock.


Babson:

http://babsonathletics.com/sports/m-baskbl/2008-09/roster

8 Freshmen !


Wheaton:

http://www.wheatoncollege.edu/athletics/basketballm/roster.html
(Looks Like returning players only at this point)

any other news or "rumors" out there ?
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Post by: NE3Hoops on November 02, 2008, 05:52:58 pm
Rumor's from the NEWMAC.

Springfield's recruiting class is all quanity not quality, they didn't bring in anyone to replace the talent they lost in the back court. Loosing assistant coach Jon Furbush will hurt them as well.

Wheaton luckily landed a great recruit with Worcester Acadmey's Weeks, as his scholarship offers feel through at end of the recruiting cycle. They should be soild in the backcourt playing Weeks with Coppola and Sasso.

MIT's class was awesome. But I thier top recruit is not playing this year. Very strange. Again depth is going to kill this team.

Babson's class is dynamite. Lambros Papalambros and Kris Noonan are a couple of top recruits from New England but Marcus Edwards ( 2008-09 NEWMAC rookie of the year) and Matt Florio are recruits from out of the region that no one knew about and they add a tremendous amount of depth to the class.  A couple of other local role kids round out thier class (Jake Gruber, Tom Lavin). Credit last years assistant Mike Smiley for bringing in Babson's best class since 2000. Losing him will hurt this program too.

Will find out more about WPI and Clark.
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Post by: massd3fan on November 02, 2008, 09:12:22 pm
NE#Hoops,

   Thanks for the update. I did hear that WPI was supposed to scrimmage Assumption on Friday, but I have not heard anything about how it went.

   I am not sure if Clark or Coast Guard has scrimmaged yet.

Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on November 07, 2008, 10:11:23 am
Congrats to Jimmy Bartolotta for being named 2nd team all-american by d3hoops and Craig Johnson for being named 4th team.
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Post by: clarkie on November 13, 2008, 04:15:39 pm
Clark's roster is finally posted, but it seems a few names might be missing from last year...anyone know anything?
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Post by: backboard on November 14, 2008, 12:50:25 pm
Usually Babson scrimmages Wentworth, does anyone know how that went?  I'll see what I can find out too
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Post by: golflax99 on November 15, 2008, 02:19:15 am
Usually Babson scrimmages Wentworth, does anyone know how that went?  I'll see what I can find out too

They scrimmaged Tuesday night @ Wentworth. Babson freshmen looked good for the most part. A little inconsistency on offense, but they are still getting used to eachother on the court. It seems as if atleast 4 of the freshmen will get significant PT. As soon as Babson gets comfortable with a consistent PG, they will be a big threat in the NEWMAC.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on November 15, 2008, 08:07:23 pm
MIT handled Emmaneul today 82-60.  Dou Soumare led the team with 28 points (9-10 fg) and 15 boards.  Jimmy B had a solid game (although he honestly didnt play that well offensively).  He had 20 points, 5 boards, 5 assists, 7 steals and 2 blocks.  Brad Gampel led the team well with 9 points, 8 assists, 7 steals, and 6 boards.  Jamie Karraker had a nice debut with 15 points.  MIT played without their starting power forward, Bill Johnson, due to injury.  He will now be referred to as Mr. Glass by me in all subsequent posts.
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Post by: jamiejohn on November 17, 2008, 09:06:22 am
Looks like mit might be better with out johnson, Soumare looks much improved. Big win for them beating emmaneul by 22
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Post by: Hugenerd on November 17, 2008, 01:01:44 pm
Looks like mit might be better with out johnson, Soumare looks much improved. Big win for them beating emmaneul by 22

They played well but I think Johnson will be a big help.  He is one of their only 3 big men and Soumare had to play 39 minutes in his absence.  I think they will be much better with him in the lineup in the long term.
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Post by: scout on November 19, 2008, 08:24:58 am
Any predictions for tonight's MIT-Gordon game?

Obviously, MIT returns its top three scorers and is a solid squad this year. Gordon lost three starters from last year, but retain a POY candidate in the CCC in Aaron Trigg.

Just interested in some dialogue.

Also, I think Gordon streams the video of their home games on their athletics website. They did it last year.
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Post by: Hugenerd on November 19, 2008, 10:38:14 am
MIT should win if they stay out of foul trouble, in my opinion.  Gordan has more size, but I doubt they have any big man as athletic as Soumare.  He completely dominated the interior against some pretty good Emmaneul post men on Saturday (28 pts, 9-10 FG, 15 rebounds). Jimmy B. is also a constant, he will score 20 even if he has a bad game but I doubt he will have two bad games in a row.  I am not sure if Johnson (their third leading scorer from last year) will play, he was out in the opener, but he put a lot of time in during the offseason and he should be a major contributor if he can go.  If not, Karraker will have to step up again like he did on Saturday.

I dont know that much about Gordon, except they have a younger team this year (1 senior) and its tough to draw any conclusions from their game against Eastern Nazarene (a team that has averaged 21 losses a year the last 4 years).

I think it will be a close game, but, as I said earlier, MIT wins if they stay out of foul trouble.  MIT is playing on the road, however, so you never know, the calls could go Gordon's way.
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Post by: Hugenerd on November 19, 2008, 08:42:41 pm
My comment on the refs now seems prophetic.  Bartollota and Soumare dont play for significant time in the second half with 4 fouls. Then, Bartollota fouls out on a week side ball screen with less than a minute left and MIT up by 2 with the ball (it was a very weak call).  On the next posession, Gordon ties the game.

Game looks like its going to OT.  MIT with the ball at half court with 1 second left.  MIT will obviously be without Bartollota. Soumare with 4 fouls.
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Post by: Hugenerd on November 19, 2008, 09:26:39 pm
MIT loses in OT 77-69. MIT didnt get a single call in OT while Gordon shot what seemed like 8 or 10 FTs (I dont have the actual stats).

Bartolotta fouls out for just the fourth time in 84 career games (he had one each of the past 3 years, this is the first time he has fouled out since his freshman year in a game that did not at least go to a single OT) and for the first time in his career on the road.  This is the quickest he has ever fouled out, 26 minutes (previous low was 32 his fresman year). That last foul call on Bartolotta was especially ridiculous. It was a petty call that could probably be made on either team on every posession of the game that happened to be called on the best player on the court for the visiting team with less than a minute to go in a very close game. I hate when refs make calls that directly effect the outcome of the game when a there is no reason to make a call.  If he had hacked someone going to the basket or fouled someone causing a turnover or did anything that made any difference I wouldnt mind, but that was just an awful call.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on November 20, 2008, 08:50:47 pm
Big win tonight for WPI.  I was able to catch some of the game online and WPI played well in the first half and were able to hold on in the second.  They were really able to get penetration and make layups or kickouts.  They also did a good job converting against the press. 
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Post by: deiscanton on November 20, 2008, 09:13:43 pm
Hello Hugenerd

I watched the entire game between WPI and Rhode Island College on-line.  RIC coach Bob Walsh and RIC player Tyrell Hill basically admitted in the post-game that RIC was simply not ready from the opening tip to play WPI at the level of intensity in the first half that WPI played.   Coach Walsh described it in the post-game in mental terms that RIC as a team showed up to play a "walk-in-the-park" game, and WPI showed up for a dog-fight.  WPI simply outhustled RIC in the first half. 

Near the end of the game with 40 seconds left, you probably could make the case that WPI turned the ball over out of bounds and that there was not a foul before the turnover, but I thought that a correct call was made that a foul by RIC caused the WPI player to step out of bounds-- therefore, no turnover and WPI goes to the line.  Obvously, RIC disagreed, but the result of that call, even if overturned, would not have affected the outcome of the game-- WPI won this game in the first half.

Brandeis at WPI on Saturday.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on November 20, 2008, 09:17:36 pm
Lets see if Brandeis can come back from the loss at Laselle to play like their ranking.  Should be a statement game for both teams early in the season.
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Post by: Hugenerd on November 20, 2008, 10:12:41 pm
Congrats to Jimmy B for going over 1500 points for his career in the loss to Gordon.  He is on pace to be the first 2000 point scorer in MIT history (school record is 1699). He is now 10 points away from being alone as 3rd on the all time list.

Tonights MIT Fun Fact: Brad Gampel has 12 steals on the season, putting him one-sixth the way to the school record in just 2 games.
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Post by: T990 on November 22, 2008, 07:56:18 pm
MIT defeated Rose Hulman in the MSOE tournament tonight, 69-43. 

Live stats are (were?) here:

http://livestats.prestosports.com/rosehulman/

At the moment, WPI leads Brandeis 64-50, 5:06 left.  67-53, 3:32.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on November 22, 2008, 08:44:39 pm
Two big wins for WPI this week.  They were very impressive.

MIT ends up winning going away.  Billy Johnson plays for the first time this season.
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Post by: golflax99 on November 23, 2008, 01:19:29 pm
How about this start to the season for the NEWMAC?

All 7 teams have a winning record and are a combined 20-5.

Babson, Clark & MIT all play in Championship games today of Tip-off Tourneys, wonder if they can go 3-0.
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Post by: Hugenerd on November 23, 2008, 04:28:53 pm
MIT trails by 6 at the half in Milwaukee.  They really seem to be playing subpar.  Soumare has gotten in a bit of foul trouble and MSOE's post guy had gone off.
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Post by: T990 on November 23, 2008, 06:00:18 pm
Milwaukee Engineering beat MIT 69-64.  MIT took a 4-point lead in the second half but couldn't close it out as 3 players fouled out (Johnson, Tucker, and in the last minute Somare).
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Post by: golflax99 on November 23, 2008, 06:14:12 pm
Babson wins its annual Invitational Tournament for the first time since 2004 beating Union 68-58. Underclassmen for Babson gave them 55 of thier 68 points. They have three freshman starting for them and one playing 15+ minutes off the bench. This young team led by Senior Zach Etten is looking like they have some real potential. As a team they are averaging 5 more assists per game than last season and they seem to have a lot team chemistry already.

Babson (3-0) hosts a very talented Emerson (2-0) team Tuesday night, this should be a great game.
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Post by: massd3fan on November 24, 2008, 09:26:08 am
Good Day,

  I finally got out to see a game.  I attended the WPI/Brandeis game on Sat.  I was really excited at seeing the WPI team that had already knocked off one top 20 team play another.  I figured Brandeis would really be up after losing their opener.  Just a few thoughts from an older school guy.

   The game was a great win for WPI, but I do have to admit I was very disappointed with Brandeis.  As I just posted in the UAA forum, I guess their ranking was way off, at least to start the season.  They seem like a team that does not yet understand who they are.  I was amazed at the fact Deluca was not the focal point of their offense, especially in those critical possesions when they could have made the game close.  He missed a shot to open the 2nd half, and then Hollins got a nice low post basket, and the game was a 4 point game.  Deluca then took just one other shot for almost 7 minutes.  Granted, WPI was playing good defense, but we are talking about a first team All-american who is capable of getting off his shot.

For WPI, this is a great start, beating 2 ranked teams inside of 3 days!  I would assume they should be in that top 25 when its updated.  Their seniors are doing a great job and Adam Lirette may be the toughest kid I have seen on court in a long time.  It seems like every minute or two, he is only the floor after taking a charge, diving for a ball, or contorting himself to get off a shot.  Also Ben Etten is fierce defender and not afraid to mix it up underneath.

WPI did a great job of shooting in the 2nd half (70%).  Their help defense was fantastic, but I would think a team who really commits to the low post game will give them trouble.  Also, while they have won all their games, I noticed looking at the box scores that they have been out rebounded in every game.  They only have 2 players over 6'4" and only one appears to be in the normal playing rotation.  This will be an issue for them on nights when they are not shooting the lights out.

I will say this, I was hearing this was a rebuilding year at WPI, If that is true, looks like they have done a good job!
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on November 24, 2008, 11:01:04 am
Good Day,

  I finally got out to see a game.  I attended the WPI/Brandeis game on Sat.  I was really excited at seeing the WPI team that had already knocked off one top 20 team play another.  I figured Brandeis would really be up after losing their opener.  Just a few thoughts from an older school guy.

   The game was a great win for WPI, but I do have to admit I was very disappointed with Brandeis.  As I just posted in the UAA forum, I guess their ranking was way off, at least to start the season.  They seem like a team that does not yet understand who they are.  I was amazed at the fact Deluca was not the focal point of their offense, especially in those critical possesions when they could have made the game close.  He missed a shot to open the 2nd half, and then Hollins got a nice low post basket, and the game was a 4 point game.  Deluca then took just one other shot for almost 7 minutes.  Granted, WPI was playing good defense, but we are talking about a first team All-american who is capable of getting off his shot.

For WPI, this is a great start, beating 2 ranked teams inside of 3 days!  I would assume they should be in that top 25 when its updated.  Their seniors are doing a great job and Adam Lirette may be the toughest kid I have seen on court in a long time.  It seems like every minute or two, he is only the floor after taking a charge, diving for a ball, or contorting himself to get off a shot.  Also Ben Etten is fierce defender and not afraid to mix it up underneath.

WPI did a great job of shooting in the 2nd half (70%).  Their help defense was fantastic, but I would think a team who really commits to the low post game will give them trouble.  Also, while they have won all their games, I noticed looking at the box scores that they have been out rebounded in every game.  They only have 2 players over 6'4" and only one appears to be in the normal playing rotation.  This will be an issue for them on nights when they are not shooting the lights out.

I will say this, I was hearing this was a rebuilding year at WPI, If that is true, looks like they have done a good job!

WPI's size may be an issue on the national scene but it wont be that important in the NEWMAC.  The entire league is small and guard-oriented.  If they are really as good as they have played the first couple of games, they shouldnt have much of a problem performing well in conference.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: massd3fan on November 25, 2008, 02:24:42 pm
From what I am seeing looking at Lasell, that WPI height issue will be put to the test tonight.  Jose Guitian will test that WPI small "D".  Anyone going to this game tonight?  It would be interesting to see how WPI defends him.  Should be a good game!

Some other games tonight involving NEWMAC teams:

Babson (3-0) Vs Emerson (2-0)

Wheaton (3-1) Vs Salem St. (3-0)

Clark (2-2) Vs Anna Maria (2-2)

MIT (2-2)  Vs Curry (0-3)







Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on November 25, 2008, 02:32:57 pm
I dont think WPI will have a problem with Lasell.  My prediction is a 75-62 WPI victory.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on November 25, 2008, 07:40:36 pm
I was a bit off on the spread, but WPI edges Lasell tonight 78-77.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: JustAFan on November 25, 2008, 08:24:02 pm
WPI got lucky tonight, but at the same time they did a great job giving themselves an opportunity to grab a win by fighting back from an 11 point deficit midway through the 2d half after squandering a 3 point halftime lead.

Lasell was up one and had the ball with 28 seconds left, and 25 on the shot clock.  They got it in to Guitian above the top of the key and rather than working the clock he immediately took a jumper and missed.   WPI got the rebound and had a chance to call a timeout and set up a play.  The WPI play broke down, however, and Etten alertly penetrated into the key and squeezed up a jumper in traffic in the lane with the clock winding..a very clutch shot.  Lasell inbounded the ball with 6 seconds left and threw the ball away but the refs said WPI's coach had called a timeout before the ball was inbounded and awarded the ball to Lasell for a second chance.  Lasell got the ball quickly up court in the hands of guard Charles Horton, who had been money all night.  Horton had some space to take a 3 or go to the hoop but he passed to Guitian for some reason and time ran out before he could get a shot off from deep in the corner.  I don' t know why Horton didn't take the shot himself since he had some space and he was deadly from 3 point land all night long.

Another scrappy win for WPI in a game when their outside shooting wasn't on and they were consistently missing layups when they penetrated to the hoop (attributable to a lot of body checking defense by Lasell that was let go by the refs). 

I thought WPI's 2 freshmen forwards--Fernando Perez and Jerome Stewart--played very well. Both are physically mature for their years, and neither backed down to the Lasell big men.  Stewart is the better one defensively and on the boards, while Perez, a lefty, has a very good offensive game.  In fact, he got open down on the blocks a bunch of times but the WPI guards either missed him or found him too late--the Engineers need to work on that because this kid works too hard to get position not to get rewarded.  Etten, Kirkland and Lirette played their typical complete game for WPI and showed a lot of leadership.  Finally, sophomore guard Jeff Robinson continues to improve and gain confidence.  He'll be a good replacement for Lirette next year along with classmate Kyle Nadeau. 


Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on November 25, 2008, 09:02:16 pm
MIT beat Curry 90-63 tonight.  Jimmy Bartolotta went for 43 points (8-12 from 3), 5 reb, 5 assists.

The 43 points by Bartolotta is an MIT single-game record that had stood for 46 years.  The previous record of 41 was held by the one and only David Koch.  For those of you who dont know who David Koch is, you have probably heard of people he is richer than (such as Donald Trump).  Koch is currently the richest resident of New York ($10 B) and he and his brother own the largest privately owned company in the world, Koch Industries.  He also has at least 3 buildings or programs (1 under construction, the Koch Cancer Institute) named after him at MIT and is still a prominent figure at MIT (there is a portrait of him in the lobby of the chemical engineering building, the bio building is the Koch Building, there is also the Koch School of Chemical Engineering Practice).  I heard a rumor that there would be a reward for anyone who broke the record, but that is just speculation.


He also tied a record for most 3s in a game with 8.
Congrats
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on November 25, 2008, 09:13:03 pm
Nice win tonight for Babson, 94-89.  Shannon went for 42 for Emerson, but Babson had a solid attack led by Zach Etten with 22.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: golflax99 on November 25, 2008, 09:28:24 pm
The NEWMAC is looking veryy strong.

Babson tonight may not have been able to contain Shannon (42 points!?), but they dominated Emerson on the boards. Also Babson shot 11-16 (69%) from three, including a 5 for 5 performance by Shelton Ladson. Both teams looked very strong offensively and if the refs weren't calling a lot of small hand check fouls, I think both teams would have scored over 100 points. There were a combined 52 free throws taken in the game, including an 11-11 line from Zach Etten. Hmm.

NEWMAC is now a combined 25 - 7 to start the season.

NESCAC is a combined 21 - 15.

I'll let those numbers speak for themselves.

Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: atn alum on November 26, 2008, 10:28:36 pm
Golflax

That is an interesting stat, though I think it will have more value once we get a little deeper into the season, and see how good the teams are that the NEWMAC and NESCAC teams beat. I will see if I can take a closer look at that, as I want to use that note when Hoopsville debuts Sunday.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: massd3fan on December 02, 2008, 11:40:51 am
Congratulations to WPI for jumping up to #17 in the poll!

Nice work by all the NEWMAC teams, 28-9 heading into tonight's games.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: T990 on December 02, 2008, 01:10:28 pm
In case anyone didn't know, the composite schedule is here:

http://www.newmacsports.com/sports/mbkb/2008-09/schedule

and the league standings are here:

http://www.newmacsports.com/sports/mbkb/2008-09/standings


The highly useful d3boards team pages (also containing links to the school's web site) are:

http://www.d3hoops.com/school/BAB/mens/2009

http://www.d3hoops.com/school/CLRK/mens/2009

http://www.d3hoops.com/school/CGA/mens/2009

http://www.d3hoops.com/school/MIT/m/2009

http://www.d3hoops.com/school/SPF/mens/2009

http://www.d3hoops.com/school/WTMA/mens/2009

http://www.d3hoops.com/school/WPI/mens/2009

Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on December 02, 2008, 10:15:37 pm
MIT loses tonight to salem state after leading at the half.  Bartolotta put up big numbers as usual but for the second game in a row, MIT was without their only big man, Dou Soumare.  I dont know why he is out but his absence is really killing them.  They have no other post player (Billy Johnson may be 6'8" but his game is outside).  Unfortunately for MIT, their 2nd, 3rd and 4th best post players are all playing intramurals (Eric Bracht, Ted Eby, Adam Juneau).  Hopefully Soumare's injury (or absence) isnt season threatening and MIT can begin to play well going into NEWMAC action.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: ac08 on December 02, 2008, 10:17:54 pm
Flax,
The NESCAC has been uncharacteristically weak to start the season and the NEWMAC has been very good but I agree with atn's advice of waiting until a bit later in the season before letting the numbers speak. Maybe change is coming, but until things get sorted out the NESCAC remains the jewel of the Northeast.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: jamiejohn on December 03, 2008, 09:01:56 am
Bracht still goes to school at MIT, he was a very good player has a freshman.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on December 03, 2008, 11:57:14 am
Bracht still goes to school at MIT, he was a very good player has a freshman.

Yeah, that was my point.  All 3 of those players (who are big men) all still go to MIT and are not playing on the varsity team. If you added 3 solid big men to MITs squad, they would be much more well rounded and consistent.  Unfortunately, you have to play with what you are dealt, which in Coach Anderson's case, is a bunch of big men who dont love playing basketball.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on December 04, 2008, 10:59:58 pm
MIT beats Lesley tonight 76-43.  The game was very close, but was blow open after a 10-0 run in the second half after Lesley had cut it to 10.  It was almost comical on some plays when Bartolotta would drive (meaning 1 or 2 dribbles) and 3 defenders would collapse on him and MIT pretty much just had wide open 3s all night.  In my opinion, Lesley paid too much attention to him, it probably would have been a bit closer if they had not have helped so much. I dont have the stats, but my guess would be that Bartolotta took less than 10 shots (or thereabout) the whole game and still ended with 20 points.

WPI lost tonight to Salem State in a close game, the northeast appears to be very even (see the top 25 board for my comments on that).

Looks like the NEWMAC is up this year with every team .500 or better at this point.

Should be a good season.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: T990 on December 04, 2008, 11:58:33 pm
Bartolotta took 10 FG attempts and 10 foul shots.

http://athletics.lesley.edu/sports/mbkb/2008-09/stats/boxscores/lum08.htm

http://www.d3hoops.com/releases.php?release=mhewtz38x1atnh3e

I'm surprised Salem State beat WPI.  Chris Harvey is a very good coach (at Salem State).
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on December 05, 2008, 12:34:09 am
Thanks. The boxscore further solidifies my point: 28 of MIT's 55 shots were 3s, and all of them were wide open because of the ridiculous amount of attention they were giving Bartolotta (MIT didnt shoot that well making only 9).  Literally, if they swung the ball to Bartolotta and then swung the ball back to the other side, MIT either had a wide open 3 or a 4 on 2 with 2 lesley players scrambling to get back in the play.

I also learned that Dou Soumare is out (and has been the last 3 games) indefinitely, but not due to injury or academic reasons.  It is not exactly clear what is going on but I hope he returns as soon as his situation allows.  MIT really has no other big men.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: massd3fan on December 05, 2008, 08:36:46 am
Hugenerd,

   After a late appointment, I managed to get to the 2nd half of the Salem St./WPI game last night.  Dylan Holmes of Salem St. lived up to the billing.  A 6'8" player that WPI really had no answers for. He & Nick Linear led Salem back into the lead and then cemented the game down the stretch.  My earlier comments about WPI's size were realized last night.  As I said, I only saw the 2nd half, but Salem dominated the boards.  Looking at the box score this morning, it was a 23-14 advantage for Salem St.  The difficult part for WPI was if you combined their inside guy's rebounds, the only account for 2 boards in the entire 2nd half.

   Another area the Engineers must improve on is free throws.  They lose this game by 4 points and went 18 for 30 at the line, including 10 misses in the 2nd half.

   Salem St looks to me like a very solid all around team.  They have good group coming off the bench and  appear to have a couple of "goto" guys.  That was something WPI seemed to be missing in the game's final minutes.

Scanning the box scores, I see Wheaton posted another win as did Coast Guard.  Anthony Coppola off to a great start averaging over 24 ppg.  They are also getting For Coast Guard, two players scoring 20+ and neither one was named Craig Johnson!  Johnson is averaging a double-double (22.7ppg/11.3rpg) and Jevon James is close to the same feat (9.1ppg/9.3rpg).

Clark got upended by Worcester St.  You have have already touched on MIT's win. 

I read your post about the MIT big men all playing intramurals, what seems to be the issue there, is there a general lack of comitting to the inside game?  I think that is something in general that has beem a trend in the past years.  Good Low post play seems to be a lost art. Even when a team seems to have a player who can perform well there, they seem to lack the real commitment to working the inside game.  It was actually refreshing to me to see Salem make the effort with Holmes last night. (Pardon the ramblin on, I grew up seeing Jabbar, Chamberlain, Walton, etc  even in college with Sampson, Ewing, Olajuwon  etc....anyone else old enough to remember seeing Wes Unseld set screens? )


I think there are goint to be some great conference games in the NEWMAC when we get to January! 

Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on December 05, 2008, 10:57:38 am
In the case of MIT, unfortunately for them, I think they have just had a streak of players who dont want to put in the time and make the commitment.  The just dont love playing basketball which is pretty essential at the d3 level.  I actually missed one player in my previous post.  If they had had no one quit, the would have 6'9" senior Adam Juneau, 6'7" Junior Eric Bracht (former NEWMAC ROY), their top recruit last year who was 6'8" and quit before the season started (I forget his name), and this year's top recruit, 6'10" Ted Eby.  Add to that that their only remaning true post player, Dou Soumare, is on personal leave from the team and MIT is pretty much out of luck in the post player department.

As for WPI, they will be fine in the NEWMAC, the best post players in the league arent that big (Craig Johnson is listed at 6'6" but I think he may be an inch shorter than that in reality).

Salem State is really coming on strong, both MIT and WPI had chances to beat them over the last couple of days but they couldnt pull it out.  If Salem State beats undefeated Gordon on Saturday, look for them to get some serious votes in the top 25 poll.  The game is at Gordon, though, and they have some seriously homer refs up there, so anything could happen.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on December 05, 2008, 10:17:15 pm
Anyone who's interested in watching two of the best players in NE face off against eachother should come to MIT tomorrow at 3 to see Tufts vs. MIT.  Jon Pierce and Jimmy Bartolotta have both been playing really well in the early season, so it should be a good matchup.  As an added bonus, Bartolotta is only 9 points away from breaking the career scoring record for MIT (1700), so you can (potentially) come watch as he further rewrites the MIT record books.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on December 06, 2008, 05:41:03 pm
MIT pulled out the victory 79-66 this afternoon.  The game was really close in the first half and Tufts went into halftime up 4.  There was a play at the end of the half that seemed to be a game changer.  Bartolotta attempted to take a charge close to half court on Pierce, when Pierce was dribbling full speed down the court, and there was a huge collision between the all-americans.  The play was called a block on Bartolotta (which was questionable), but Pierce seemed to take exception with the play and kind of came after Bartolotta after the play.  There were no T's handed out at that point, but in the second half the refs seemed to call the game closer after that altercation.  There were a lot of fouls called, MIT had two players foul out (and had another injured in the first half), so they were down to only 6 players in uniform by the end of the game.  Things escalated a bit more late in the second half, when MIT was up 7 or 8, when Eric Zuk was on a breakaway and Pierce came in hard straight into Zuk's back.  He got a lot of the ball but also alot of body and sent Zuk flying into the hoop's supports.  They immediately calling a flagrant on Pierce, which he really disagreed with and starting complaining to the refs even more than he had been previously.  MIT continued to make free throws at the end of the game (there was a +13 FT advantage for MIT in the game, but at least 12 of those were intentional ones at the end of the game when Tufts was trying to come back), then with a minute left Pierce jumped into his defender on a 3, trying to get a call, and when he didnt, I guess he said the magic words and picked up a T (which was also his 5th foul). 

In terms of the game in general, I thought Tufts didnt pound it into Pierce in the post nearly enough, especially with MITs lack of size.  He is very skilled in the post and a great finisher, but they didnt seem to look for him that much there.  Bartolotta played well, but didnt force anything.  He only took 12 shots and MIT did a really good job of getting him the ball when Tufts was fouling at the end of the game, and letting their best player put the game away at the free throw line.

Also, Congratulations to Bartolotta for scoring his 1700th point and becoming MITs all time leading scorer (he now has 1722).
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: ILive4This on December 08, 2008, 12:34:13 pm
So the North East Region Posters' Poll is back, if you are interested in participating, which clearly you are, please submit your polls to either my email or my message box here by 9pm mondays (so for this week tonight, sorry for the short notice).

Thanks
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on December 08, 2008, 02:34:30 pm
Bartolotta is named NEWMAC player of the week:

http://www.newmacsports.com/sports/mbkb/awards/weekly/2008-2009/mbkbweekly12082008
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: massd3fan on December 09, 2008, 02:54:24 pm
WPI hanging on in the top 20 at #19.

Coast Guard still the only other NEWMAC team garnering any votes.

NEWMAC still looking pretty good -  overall record 40-16
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on December 09, 2008, 09:03:20 pm
MIT wins 65-57.  Bartolotta has 27, Shannon had 17.  I will go more in depth about the game later.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on December 09, 2008, 11:11:44 pm
MIT 65- 57

Sorry for the long post but I thought I would go a bit more in depth since I got to see the much hyped Jeremy Shannon play against MIT's All-American, Jimmy Bartolotta, tonight.

The first half was completely dominated by MIT.  Bartolotta played like he usually does and scored 17 points in the first frame, almost outscoring the entire Emerson team (18 first half points).  MIT did a good job of helping when Shannon drove, and held him to 6 points in the opening frame.  Halftime score: MIT 37- Emerson 18.

The second half started the same way, as MIT built a 26 point lead three minutes into the half.  However, Emerson never quit, and when MIT got a bit tired, Emerson picked up the pressure and put a pretty good run together cutting into the lead and getting it to single digits with 5 minutes left in the game.  Part of the problem for MIT was that Emerson paid a lot more attention to Bartolotta in the second half, and he tried to pass to his open teammates but the shots just werent falling.  After a while of that, Bartolotta went out of his game a little and forced some shots up that he usually doesnt, which also were not falling.  So in a sense, it was a perfect storm for Emerson in that they started playing much better and MIT went ice cold, however, the 26 point deficit was too much to overcome.  In the last five minutes it was back and force.  Shannon really started forcing the ball into the paint and the MIT guards were too slow or tired to stay with him and the MIT help defenders werent as fresh as in the first half and were therefore late getting over and fouled a lot of the time.  I think Shannon scored 7 of his 11 second half points at the line and ended up with 17.  Bartolotta finished with 27.  Both players shot about 40% from the field. 

In terms of Shannon, he really is a good point guard.  I have never seen a single player handle the ball so much for his team.  Shannon must have the ball in his hands at least 75% (safe estimate) of the time during Emerson's posessions. Unfortunately for Emerson, on that team he cant play a true point.  He is forced to be a scorer but he really seems to excel at breaking people down and setting up his teammates, which doesnt always work.   He defintely has a lot of talent and he could be a very good leader on better team (he seems like somebody who could average double digit assists on a good team).  He is extremely quick, has a good handle and court vision, but I do not think he is a true scorer, and it seemed like, at least to me, that he didnt want to force his shot until he had to.  With that said, he does have some weaknesses: he was careless at times with the ball comitting 7 turnovers for the second game in a row, a couple of which were taken from him by MITs point guard Gampel when he was trying to do some fancy moves, and he is not a great shooter (I can see how he would get a lot of layups with his quickness, thus inflating his FG%, and most of his shots tonight were from within 10 feet but, overall, his shot did not appear that great, many of his shots were off balance and even his set shot wasnt that good looking). 

Just to sum things up, Emerson may win alot of games this year, but they are not going to be a great team regardless of what they do in their conference.  They have no size (MIT was bigger than them and they again played without Dou Soumare, their center. This is the first game that I have seen that MIT has had a size advantage on their opponent.  Shannon, by default, got 9 rebounds, 8 defensive, because there is no one to rebound the ball on the team so he would have to go in there and help out and he is not a very big guy), they dont have very much depth, and they dont take care of the ball.  This is not a team that would be able to play with a top level d3 team with depth.  The way MIT was defending Shannon worked, the problem is that they just didnt have depth to continue it for the entire game.  If you always have good help defense so that Shannon cannot penetrate deep into the lane and you dont foul him he is going to be held down in most games because (at least tonight) did not look at all for any type of pull up shot.  Shannon is a very good player though, but it may be hard to gauge how good he really could be if he were playing his true position and not having to do a lot of scoring also.  With that said, he is definitely someone who could put up huge numbers if he is allowed to dribble wherever he wants and get easy, open shots.

I also think that it is not easy, or fair to compare Shannon to Bartolotta.  They are very different players: Shannon is really a true point and Bartolotta plays anywhere from shooting guard to power forward, but mainly the forward positions due to the situation of the current MIT squad (specifically, their lack of size). 

As for Bartolotta, I dont think he had one of his better games overall offensively.  In the first half he certainly showed how great a player he is on both ends of the court, but in the second half he didnt play that well.  His stat line is still very impressive, 27 points, 9 rebounds, 4 blocks, 3 steals and only 1 turnover.   Even on his bad nights he still has what would be a great night for many other good players.  He also is a very versatile, he scores, rebounds, assists and defends well (he ranks as one of the blocked shot  and steal leaders in the NEWMAC).  He pretty much does whatever his team needs of him to win games or be competitive.  In the first half he was just lighting it up from everywhere, but when the game got close in the second half, and MIT was having problems taking care of the ball, he even brought the ball up the court and seemed to calm the team down a bit.  I dont mean to overstate this (I know I do) or take anything away from his teammates, because other players on the team have been playing well, like Gampel, Johnson and Zuk, but he may mean more to this team than any player does to their team out there.  Even the other MIT players that are performing well are getting really great looks thanks to the double and triple teams Bartolotta draws every night.  Yet he still has yet to score less than 20 in a game this season (his low is 20, his high is 43 and he is averaging 27 points through 10 games).  He also averages  5.1 boards, 3.1 assists, 2.6 steals and 1.5 blocks a game, while shooting 51% from the field, 48% from 3 and 84% from the line.

I know I may be a bit biased but he is one of the top few players that I have seen in d3 over nearly the past decade and definitely the best I have seen in New England over the past 4 years. He just does everything.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: T990 on December 10, 2008, 11:28:22 am
hugenerd, nice write up. 

Emerson plays a style you'd hate to have to go against, but I do enjoy watching that team.  Incredible in-your-shorts man defense, very quick guards, and they work for their shots diligently.  Playing them in their band box underground gym is like walking into a hornets nest.

Yes, even on open looks MIT was cold in the second half last night, otherwise the score never would have closed to under double digits.  Congrats to MIT for gutting out the win without Dou.

Congratulations to Springfield on defeating a very good Salem St. team, on a last second 3-pointer. Salem St. had wins over Bowdoin, MIT, WPI, and Gordon.

http://www.spfldcol.edu/homepage/athletics.nsf/Headline/86CCCA554C5792A08525751B000AF6B2
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on December 10, 2008, 12:21:42 pm
The Springfield victory was great for the NEWMAC.  Too bad CGA lost to a team they probably shoudnt have (Clark beat Becker earlier in the year).  3-2 night overall for the NEWMAC. WPI also picked up an easy win along with MIT and Springfield,  Clark lost to Brandeis by 9, which is a pretty good effort.  NEWMAC is now 43-18 overall out of conference.

NEWMAC record vs, other conferences (through 12/9/08):

13-2 CCC
6-1 GNAC
5-1 LEC
4-6 MASCAC
3-2 NECC
3-3 NESCAC
2-0 NAC
1-2 UAA (Brandeis)
6-1 Out of Region/non-D3
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: golflax99 on December 12, 2008, 02:57:40 pm
Great stats hugenerd. NEWMAC is looking great.

I meant to do this awhile back, but I wanted to congratulate Babson Senior Captain Zach Etten for scoring his 1,000th Point against Trinity on 11/30/08. Zach is now 19th on Babson's all time scoring list.

Also, another good win for Babson last night, they came back from a tough first half against a decent Lasell team who beat Brandeis early on and lost to WPI by one. Babson 71, Lasell 66.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on December 12, 2008, 03:21:21 pm
hugenerd, nice write up. 

Emerson plays a style you'd hate to have to go against, but I do enjoy watching that team.  Incredible in-your-shorts man defense, very quick guards, and they work for their shots diligently.  Playing them in their band box underground gym is like walking into a hornets nest.

Yes, even on open looks MIT was cold in the second half last night, otherwise the score never would have closed to under double digits.  Congrats to MIT for gutting out the win without Dou.

Congratulations to Springfield on defeating a very good Salem St. team, on a last second 3-pointer. Salem St. had wins over Bowdoin, MIT, WPI, and Gordon.

http://www.spfldcol.edu/homepage/athletics.nsf/Headline/86CCCA554C5792A08525751B000AF6B2



Wow, I didnt realize Springfield was up by 21 in that game at the 15 minute mark of the second half only to go down by 1 with 6 minutes left (28-6 run over 9 minutes) and down by 6 with 3 left (34-7 run over 12 minutes).  Congrats to Springfield for not folding though, a lot of teams would have mailed it in after blowing a 21 point lead in a 9 minute span in the second half.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 03, 2009, 03:15:54 pm

MIT is hanging with Yale right now.  It might get out of hand as it comes down the stretch, but MIT is performing strongly against a D1 school.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on January 03, 2009, 04:33:26 pm

MIT is hanging with Yale right now.  It might get out of hand as it comes down the stretch, but MIT is performing strongly against a D1 school.

MIT played really well today, although they ended up losing by 23 to d1 Yale.  It was still a 10 point game with 14 minutes to go in the game, but from there Yale's size and depth seemed to take over.  Jimmy Bartolotta put up 32 points in 35 minutes, along with 3 blocks, 3 steals, and 2 assists.  Pretty impressive showing by MIT considering they really only played 7 players and still don't have their best big man, Dou Soumare (at this point I dont know if he will be back).  Bartolotta's showing was also really impressive as he put up his usual numbers (actually slightly better) against d1 players.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on January 05, 2009, 10:20:37 am

MIT is hanging with Yale right now.  It might get out of hand as it comes down the stretch, but MIT is performing strongly against a D1 school.

MIT played really well today, although they ended up losing by 23 to d1 Yale.  It was still a 10 point game with 14 minutes to go in the game, but from there Yale's size and depth seemed to take over.  Jimmy Bartolotta put up 32 points in 35 minutes, along with 3 blocks, 3 steals, and 2 assists.  Pretty impressive showing by MIT considering they really only played 7 players and still don't have their best big man, Dou Soumare (at this point I dont know if he will be back).  Bartolotta's showing was also really impressive as he put up his usual numbers (actually slightly better) against d1 players.

Just to follow up briefly on the Yale game.  I understand that Bartolotta's performance was in a 20 point loss, but the 32 points he scored against Yale was the only 30+ point game Yale has given up this year and only the 5th 20+ point game (the previous high Yale had given up to an individual was 22).  Below is a summary of the 5 20+ point games Yale has given up this year, their opponent, and the result of the game:

Alabama (3 point loss) - Gee had 20 points
Oregon State (1 point win) - Tarver had 21 points
Hampton (2 point loss) - Tolson had 21 points
Stanford (8 point loss) - Hill had 22 points
MIT (23 point win) - Bartolotta had 32 points

And for those of you who may argue that he scored most of his points in the second half, when the game was out of hand and he was playing against a 2nd or 3rd team player, that is not true: Bartolotta scored 16 points in the first half and had 24 points 6 minutes into the second half (when MIT only trailed by 10).
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: LyonFan on January 05, 2009, 12:30:24 pm
HugeNerd:

Anyone who has seen Bartolatta play has to be impressed.  He is a complete player that makes his teammates better; he is really a D1 player.

I can't make the season opener at Wheaton (they are playing miserably at present), but wonder if you will be there (and thus will give us a full report)?  And where is Hamidou?
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: clarkie on January 05, 2009, 12:37:38 pm
The big question will be, what will Jimmy do after graduation? He is clearly an unbelievable basketball player, and he has got to have a brain in his head going to MIT as they don't have any preferential admissions to athletes. He will definitely win NEWMAC POY yet again and probably (and deservedly so) will be a D-3 All-American. As a NEWMAC alum, I wonder where he will end up after graduation.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on January 05, 2009, 03:05:14 pm
HugeNerd:

Anyone who has seen Bartolatta play has to be impressed.  He is a complete player that makes his teammates better; he is really a D1 player.

I can't make the season opener at Wheaton (they are playing miserably at present), but wonder if you will be there (and thus will give us a full report)?  And where is Hamidou?

Dou is MIA, I dont know the exact reason, but he is away from the team currently for some personal reason that does not involve an injury.  His motivation has always been an issue even when he was playing so I wouldnt say this is a shock, but it is unfortunate, especially since his presence makes the team much more competitive (especially with so many seniors on the team).

As for the Wheaton game, I dont make road trips very often (and weekday games are usually difficult in general) because I have an infant daughter and a wife who is in medical school.  Therefore, I will probably pass along what every I hear if I talk to anyone who was there but will not be able to attend.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on January 05, 2009, 03:08:54 pm
The big question will be, what will Jimmy do after graduation? He is clearly an unbelievable basketball player, and he has got to have a brain in his head going to MIT as they don't have any preferential admissions to athletes. He will definitely win NEWMAC POY yet again and probably (and deservedly so) will be a D-3 All-American. As a NEWMAC alum, I wonder where he will end up after graduation.

Just to clarify, he was not NEWMAC POY last year. Coleman won that last year on a tiebreaker vote as the coaches were split between him and Bartolotta.  Bartolotta was obviously the best player in the conference but some people believe that you need to be the best player on the best team to win that award.

I dont know what Jimmy will do next year but he will undoubtedly have some options.  I, personally, hope that he wins the Jostens this year.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on January 07, 2009, 09:18:22 pm
MIT wins tonight behind a very balanced attack.  They were led by Jimmy Bartolotta who scored 27 points on 8-14 shooting, also adding 9 rebounds, 4 assists, 2 steals and a block.  Billy Johnson and Jamie Karraker each added 18 points, making 7 3s between them. Johnson also had 9 rebounds while Brad Gampel added 8 assists and 5 boards.  Wheaton was led by Coppola with 17 while Weeks and Sasso chipped in 15 and 14, respectively. MIT had 0 bench points and each of the starters played at least 36 minutes.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: T990 on January 09, 2009, 12:04:25 pm
Wow, thanks to hugenerd's post on the Top 25 forum, there is a link to the NCAA statistics. 

http://web1.ncaa.org/stats/StatsSrv/ranksummary

If you click on the most recent date under Basketball, you can find stats for the NEWMAC teams, or any D3 team.

Some Team stats of today (top 50 in USA):

Scoring Margin
MIT #35 11.5

FG %
MIT #37 48.8
Coast Guard #43 48.3

3-PT FGs made
MIT #49 8.2

Scoring Margin
MIT #35 11.5

FG %
MIT #37 48.8
Coast Guard #43 48.3

3-PT FGs %
MIT #30 40.2

3-PT FGs defense
Clark #41 0.284

FT %
Wheaton #17 77.1

Assists per game
MIT #9 18.1
Clark #33 16.4

Blocked shots per game
Springfield #26 4.5

Steals per game
MIT #21 11.5
Springfield #51 10.1

Turnover margin
Babson #21 5.5
WPI #42 4.2

Fouls per game
Coast Guard #33 15.8
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: T990 on January 09, 2009, 12:14:07 pm
Top 50 Individual stats of as today:

Points Per Game
#4 Jimmy Bartolotta, MIT  27.5
#23 Craig Johnson, Coast Guard  22.1
#38 Anthony Coppola, Wheaton (Mass.)  20.8

Field-Goal Percentage
#34 Craig Johnson, Coast Guard  58.6

Three-Point Field Goals Per Game
#39 Jimmy Bartolotta, MIT 3.2

Three-Point Field-Goal Percentage
#27 Jimmy Bartolotta, MIT 46.7

Rebounds Per Game
#18 Craig Johnson, Coast Guard   10.7

Assists Per Game
#18 Bradley Gampel, MIT   6.4

Blocked Shots Per Game
#40 Ryan Coburn, Springfield 1.9

Steals Per Game
#13 Dan White, Springfield  3.2
#17 Bradley Gampel, MIT   3.1
#40 Jimmy Bartolotta, MIT  2.6





Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 09, 2009, 02:31:44 pm
Such links are also on the front page of D3hoops.com, labeled NCAA Stats, and have been for about a decade. :)
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: T990 on January 09, 2009, 05:20:59 pm
Thanks for the link, Pat.  The data is organized differently on those 2 views.

I see that Grinnell is averaging an astounding 124 ppg! including an outrageous 163-145 win over Fontbonne!!!  Yet they have a 6-3 record.  Even in losing, they scored 106, 107, and 109 points!
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on January 10, 2009, 04:57:39 pm
MIT used strong second half play from Billy Johnson and Jimmy Bartolotta to beat Babson this afternoon, 69-56.  In fact, Johnson and Bartolotta (59 points) outscored Babson between the two of them and the tandem scored 38 of MIT's 39 points in the second half (Johnson had 24 and Bartolotta had 14 in the 2nd half).  The game was really close the entire first half and Babson even grabbed a lead in the first few minutes of the 2nd half before MIT started playing shut down defense. Johnson played stellar in the second half, especially, ending up with 26 points (24 in the 2nd) on 7-11 shooting (2-2 from 3), 7 boards and 3 steals.  He had 2 dunks, the second one coming off a Bartolotta steal and save, that really ignited the crowd. Bartolotta was also efficient shooting the ball, ending up 12-17 from the field (5-8 from 3).  He also added 4 boards, 3 steals, and 2 blocks.  Brad Gampel did a good job running the team and ended up with 6 assists and only 2 turnovers.  Everyone on the team played tough defense, only allowing one Babson player to score in double figures (11 by Landson) and held one of the top players in the conference, Zach Etten, to 9 points on 2-6 shooting. Babson, as a team, shot 39% for the game and only 33% in the second half.

MIT is now 2-0 in league play (along with WPI, who beat Springfield today, and Clark, who beat CGA).  Bartolotta is averaging 30 ppg (shooting 20-31, 65%, from the field and 7-11, 64%, from 3), 6.5 rpg, 3 apg, 2.5 spg, and 1.5 bpg in the young conference season.

MIT plays Newbury next, on Monday, before starting a 4 game conference road trip. Babson plays Amherst on Monday.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on January 12, 2009, 02:05:17 pm
Congrats to Bill Johnson (MIT) on being named NEWMAC Player of the Week.  He averaged 22 points and 8 rebounds for the week while helping MIT pick up 2 conference wins over Wheaton and Babson:

http://www.newmacsports.com/sports/mbkb/awards/weekly/2008-2009/mbkbweekly01122009
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on January 12, 2009, 08:40:38 pm
MIT beats Newbury tonight by 31.  The score was 48-18 at half time after MIT went on a 47-10 run to end the half.  Jimmy Bartolotta had 21 at the half.  The starters didnt play the last 16 or so minutes of the game.  MIT has CGA next on Wednesday in CT.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on January 14, 2009, 07:21:16 pm
MIT improves to 3-0 in conference play with a 75-72 win over CGA.  CGA drops to 0-3 (7-7 overall).

Billy Johnson led the way for MIT with 25 points on 8-12 shooting (4-6 from 3) along 6 boards.  Jimmy Bartolotta had another outstanding overall performance with 24 points on 5-10 shooting (3-5 from 3), 12 rebounds, 2 assists and a block. Jamie Karraker added 14 points including 4 - 3 pointers and Erik Zuk added 7 including 2 3-pointers.  MIT shot 13-22 from 3 and 22 - 40 from the floor overall.  C. Johnson added 23 points for CGA.

MIT plays at Springfield on Saturday while CGA hosts Wheaton (MA).
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: T990 on January 15, 2009, 11:12:09 am
Bill Johnson (MIT) is off to a strong start to contend for another Player of the Week Award.  He was a monster vs CGA.  Now playing the 5 full time, his versatile offensive repertoire and rebounding presence has presented match up problems for NEWMAC teams. 

The NEWMAC season is early, but so far MIT (3-0) has pulled together and is playing as a cohesive team after moving Johnson to the 5 and adding 2 first year starters in the line up.  They are playing better offense and better defense than last year.  For example, last year vs CGA in 3 losses, MIT scored 58, 52, and 44 points.  Last night on the road, they put up 75.

Through last Sunday, MIT was 8th in the nation is Assists per Game (18.2), 19th in Three-Point Field-Goal Percentage (41.0), and 25th in Field-Goal Percentage (49.2).  On defense, they were 45th in Scoring Defense (62.8 ), 64th in Field-Goal Percentage Defense (41.0), and 25th in Steals per Game (11.0).  I believe this is out of 392 teams in D3.

Some great matchups ahead as Clark (3-0) and WPI (2-0) are also undefeated at the moment.  Clark visits WPI on Saturday.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: T990 on January 16, 2009, 05:16:52 pm
The MIT at Springfield game has been changed to 8:30PM Saturday.

http://www.spfldcol.edu/homepage/athletics.nsf/Mens-Basketball-Schedule-2008

The Springfield site gives a Live Stats link of:

http://winus.spfldcol.edu/sports/xlive.htm
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on January 16, 2009, 08:02:29 pm
Any known reason for this change?
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: remsleep on January 17, 2009, 01:27:38 am
Hugenerd:
Reason for game time change for the MIT v. Springfield game is because there is some kind of tournament taking place all day at Springfield.  Result  was need to move the college game  to the 8:30 start.  That is based on "usually unreliable" information I received.  ( i.e. info from one of my kids).
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: BornBalla on January 17, 2009, 09:52:51 pm
The game time was changed because of Hoop Hall Classic which has elite high schools out in Springfield ,Ma to play. They have held the tourney there last few years. A few games will be on tv. I know I saw a few last year. You think Springfield College would have worked it out in advance. maybe put them on road this weekend.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on January 17, 2009, 10:29:29 pm
Well, regardless of the game time, MIT came to play tonight.  MIT fought foul trouble to shellac Springfield tonight 89-64, handing Springfield its worst home loss of the season (second worse loss overall, they lost to Amherst by 27).  MIT lead at the half 55-35.  Jimmy Bartolotta picked up his 4th foul 3 minutes into the 2nd half (he had 30 points on 10 - 14 FGs, 5-7 3s, at that point in 23 minutes) and MIT was able to manage the lead without him in the game.  Bartolotta ended with 33 points in 27 minutes.  Billy Johnson had an exceptional game with 22 points, Jamie Karraker had 13 points, and Brad Gampel did a great job leading the team with 12 assists.

FYI, the Springfield game summary says Jimmy B was the NEWMAC POY last year, which is false.  Although he has been the best player in the league for 3 years now, Antoine Coleman won the POY last year because he was the second best player (Marois was better) on the best team in the conference. (Springfield should change the first line of its article from "Jimmy Bartolotta, the reigning NEWMAC Player of the Year" to "Jimmy Bartolotta, the reigning best player in the NEWMAC").

This is the 3rd game in a row MIT has made 13 3s in a game (39/75 from 3 as a team in that span). MIT improves to 4-0 in the NEWMAC (12-4 overall).
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: massd3fan on January 19, 2009, 09:42:16 am
Hugenerd,

   I greatly respect your opinion and your insights into MIT basketball, but I would have to disagree with the idea that JB has been the been the best player in the conference for the prev. 3 years.  Last year, yes, he should have been the POY.  No question he got robbed on that one.

   But the year before, when the Josten winner comes from your conference, very hard to say that someone else in the conference was the best player.

   And as a Freshmen, he was not even the best player on his own team.

  I would agree that in 07-08 and most likely in 08-09, he is the best player in the conference, but not 05-06 & 06-07.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: massd3fan on January 19, 2009, 09:57:25 am
Did anyone see the WPI-Clark game this past Saturday?  I'm looking for another take on the game.  I didn't get to it, but a friend (Clark Supporter) said it was a very poorly officated game.  He said Coach Phillips was going crazy, and ended up getting 2 T's and tossed from the game.

He did also confirm to me what I had thought all along from what little I had seen of WPI, they are vunerable to good low post play.  He told me Clark did have success inside, but had a few key turnovers that killed a couple of their big rallies.  That and going 4-19 from beyond the arc hurt them badly.

I was curious if anyone else saw this game and what people thoughts are on the upcoming WPI-MIT matchup next week.  Of course both teams have to be careful not to look to far ahead, WPI has Babson & Wheaton to play first and MIT must deal with Clark on the road.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on January 19, 2009, 10:47:54 am
Hugenerd,

   I greatly respect your opinion and your insights into MIT basketball, but I would have to disagree with the idea that JB has been the been the best player in the conference for the prev. 3 years.  Last year, yes, he should have been the POY.  No question he got robbed on that one.

   But the year before, when the Josten winner comes from your conference, very hard to say that someone else in the conference was the best player.

   And as a Freshmen, he was not even the best player on his own team.

  I would agree that in 07-08 and most likely in 08-09, he is the best player in the conference, but not 05-06 & 06-07.

When I said last 3 years, I meant his sophomore, junior and senior seasons (so not including his freshman year when Dauria was a senior and was the New-England Player of the Year). 

The Jostens is an award given to the best student-athlete, it is not purely a basketball award and is almost always given to a senior (I think Bartolotta has to be on the short list of favorites for that award this year, considering he was a finalist last year).  That year (his sophomore season), Bartolotta averaged 21.2 ppg, 8.7 rpg, 4.3 apg, 1.9 spg, 1.0 bpg. Compare that to Ryan Cain's 19.5 ppg, 3.8 rpg, 2.7 apg, 1.2 spg, and .2 bpg, and I think my argument that Bartolotta was the best basketball player in the NEWMAC that year is justified. With that said, WPI was clearly the better team that year, so obviously that factors into any award, team or individual, but if you are just comparing the two players, I think Bartolotta was better. For example, in their 3 head-to-head meetings that year, when they likely would have been matched up against eachother, Cain averaged 7.3 ppg (38% FG), 2.7 rpg, 2.3 apg, and 1.0 spg in 32 minutes per game, while Bartolotta averaged 15.3 ppg (46% FG), 10.7 rpg, 3 apg, and 2.7 spg in 35 minutes per game. WPI won all of those games, but the two played comparable minutes, so make of it what you will, but I think saying Bartolotta was the best player in the conference that year is not unjustified.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: massd3fan on January 19, 2009, 11:35:26 am
Hugenerd,

   I guess a better question is would those numbers have been reversed somewhat if they players switched teams?  My guess would be possibly yes but most likely not in the rebounding numbers.

   Do you know what the actual vote from the coaches was for the POY for 06-07 in the NEWMAC ?
   
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: massd3fan on January 19, 2009, 12:00:04 pm
just getting my lunch, but i was looking at info about the josten's, and it seems t me it is the D3 basketball equivalent of the the Hiesman trophy, the Hobey Baker award, etc.....And is given to the best player as voted by the selection committe.  Granted, these other things (Academic, Comunity Service) are factors, as they are in the Hobey Baker, but it is the generally accepted award for the best player.

Like the Heisman , im sure there are always debates over who is nominated and who is left off.  I mean, lets face it, the heisman always goes to a QB/RB/WR never a dominat lineman or linebacker or defensive back.  Who is the "best player" will always be a debate., but someone wins these awards, and in most of the sports, they get right most of the time.  The numbers do tell a big part of the story, but not always all the story.

I do feel that JB has a VERY good shot at making 2 winners of the award for the NEWMAC!
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on January 19, 2009, 01:13:50 pm
Hugenerd,

   I guess a better question is would those numbers have been reversed somewhat if they players switched teams?  My guess would be possibly yes but most likely not in the rebounding numbers.

   Do you know what the actual vote from the coaches was for the POY for 06-07 in the NEWMAC ?
   

From what I have heard (this is by no means official because I am not affiliated with any NEWMAC basketball program and was not during those seasons), that in both of the past two years the vote was tied 3-3 between Bartolotta and Cain/Coleman with the single dissenting vote going to Craig Johnson last year (not sure who in 06-07).  As the tiebreaker, the dissenting voter was asked to choose between the two top vote getters and in each case that voter went against Bartolotta.  Thats what I heard, but again I wasnt in the room or involved in any way with any NEWMAC program at those times.

I also disagree with you about Cain being able to put up similar numbers if he switched positions with Bartolotta.  Bartolotta has shown the ability to be both an inside and outside dominating presence and on most nights commands double or even triple teams (it is almost comical the amount of attention he sometimes gets when he drives into the lane which gets his teammates a lot of very good looks).  Cain (or Coleman) never really had to deal with that type of attention in their careers, because they were on more balanced teams; therefore, it would be very hard to say how another player would have performed in those circumstances. He maybe could have put up a few more points a game, but as I pointed out, Cain didnt do very much when he was being guarded by Bartolotta (a good defender), so you never know how he would have responded if he had played against double teams the entire season.  Like you said, the rebounds probably would not come up either, as well as steals, blocks (defensive stats would likely not be affected very much) and assists  (Cain was in a better situation to get assists at WPI because he played on a team that shot better).  This argument is pointless, however, because obviously the votes have already been tallied.  I hope that this year the outcome is different.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 19, 2009, 02:04:19 pm
just getting my lunch, but i was looking at info about the josten's, and it seems t me it is the D3 basketball equivalent of the the Hiesman trophy, the Hobey Baker award, etc.....And is given to the best player as voted by the selection committe.  Granted, these other things (Academic, Comunity Service) are factors, as they are in the Hobey Baker, but it is the generally accepted award for the best player.

Not really. Those of us who vote on it don't have the same take as you do.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: ephoops on January 19, 2009, 03:10:18 pm
just getting my lunch, but i was looking at info about the josten's, and it seems t me it is the D3 basketball equivalent of the the Hiesman trophy, the Hobey Baker award, etc.....And is given to the best player as voted by the selection committe.  Granted, these other things (Academic, Comunity Service) are factors, as they are in the Hobey Baker, but it is the generally accepted award for the best player.

Not really. Those of us who vote on it don't have the same take as you do.

Agreed.  Just look at the list of past winners...not necessarily the "best" player in D3.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on January 19, 2009, 03:29:01 pm
just getting my lunch, but i was looking at info about the josten's, and it seems t me it is the D3 basketball equivalent of the the Hiesman trophy, the Hobey Baker award, etc.....And is given to the best player as voted by the selection committe.  Granted, these other things (Academic, Comunity Service) are factors, as they are in the Hobey Baker, but it is the generally accepted award for the best player.

Not really. Those of us who vote on it don't have the same take as you do.

Agreed.  Just look at the list of past winners...not necessarily the "best" player in D3.


The best case-in-point is Ryan Cain.  There is no way he was the best player in d3 2 years ago.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on January 19, 2009, 03:29:28 pm
Congrats to Jimmy Bartolotta for being named NEWMAC Player of the Week.  Release can be found here:

http://www.newmacsports.com/sports/mbkb/awards/weekly/2008-2009/mbkbweekly01192009
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: ephoops on January 19, 2009, 04:28:30 pm
Congrats to Jimmy Bartolotta for being named NEWMAC Player of the Week.  Release can be found here:

http://www.newmacsports.com/sports/mbkb/awards/weekly/2008-2009/mbkbweekly01192009

Too bad he didn't transfer to Williams after his soph year to play with his high school teammate (Snyder).

With JB, the Ephs could have challenged for a national championship....
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: T990 on January 22, 2009, 04:33:18 pm
Last night, Wheaton won at Clark, 75-67, moving solidly into 3rd place at 3-1 in the NEWMAC. 

On Saturday, WPI (4-0) visits Wheaton.  Any comments about how that game might go?  I have not seen WPI play this year.

http://www.newmacsports.com/sports/mbkb/2008-09/standings
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on January 22, 2009, 07:45:21 pm
Last night, Wheaton won at Clark, 75-67, moving solidly into 3rd place at 3-1 in the NEWMAC. 

On Saturday, WPI (4-0) visits Wheaton.  Any comments about how that game might go?  I have not seen WPI play this year.

http://www.newmacsports.com/sports/mbkb/2008-09/standings

I havent seen either team either.  MIT beat Wheaton on the road (I dont go to away games) in the first NEWMAC game of the season, since then Wheaton has not lost.  WPI barely got by Babson at home last night, so this  could be a pretty good game.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: T990 on January 22, 2009, 09:15:55 pm
So, with that win, WPI falls to #77 in the Massey Ratings.

http://www.masseyratings.com/rate.php?lg=cb&sub=III&mid=1

MIT is #59, Wheaton is #154, but these will change daily.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on January 22, 2009, 10:00:29 pm
So, with that win, WPI falls to #77 in the Massey Ratings.

http://www.masseyratings.com/rate.php?lg=cb&sub=III&mid=1

MIT is #59, Wheaton is #154, but these will change daily.

I think NE appears to be down in general.  If you look at the rankings without MOV (the link above is with MOV, or margin of victory), the highest ranked NE team is Middlebury at 42.  With MOV, Middlebury is the highest at 25.  Amherst isnt even top 40 in either rankings and they are the highest ranked NE team in the d3hoops rankings.  The top NE conferences (NESCAC and NEWMAC) arent even ranked top 15 conferences in the country in either Massey Ratings.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: nescac1 on January 23, 2009, 07:49:34 am
This is definitely the weakest NESCAC has been since I've been following the conference.  A combination of factors -- lots of coaching changes and new systems in place (Williams, Wesleyan, Bates, Trinity, 40 percent of the conference), the graduation of one of the best senior classes in conference history (Amherst, Bowdoin, Trinity, Conn College, and Tufts other than Pierce were basically senior-dominated teams last year, and all unsurprisingly are down or substantially down).  Midd and Colby are the only two outliers from one of these conditions -- Trinity, the team with both, has suffered the most -- and unsurprisingly,  are the only two teams who seem to be improved from last season. 

The good news is, the conference will bounce back next year.  Most of the best seniors in New England are, and this is unusual, from non-NESCAC squads (Bartolotta, Kathan, DeLucca, Johnson, etc.), the teams with the new coaches should be better after a full year to adapt to the new systems, and on paper, only Middlebury looks to be less talented overall next season.  Plus, there are a lot of strong frosh in the conference who are just now starting to make an impact.  Still, if there is ever going to be a year for a non-NESCAC new england team to snag a final four bid, this is that year.  (The last team to do so was Salem State back in 2000, another down year for the usual NESCAC contenders ...).  That being said, no one else in New England looks like a powerhouse either, so Amherst, Midd, or maybe even Williams or Colby could break through if they sneak into the NCAA's. 
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on January 23, 2009, 09:38:01 am
This is definitely the weakest NESCAC has been since I've been following the conference.  A combination of factors -- lots of coaching changes and new systems in place (Williams, Wesleyan, Bates, Trinity, 40 percent of the conference), the graduation of one of the best senior classes in conference history (Amherst, Bowdoin, Trinity, Conn College, and Tufts other than Pierce were basically senior-dominated teams last year, and all unsurprisingly are down or substantially down).  Midd and Colby are the only two outliers from one of these conditions -- Trinity, the team with both, has suffered the most -- and unsurprisingly,  are the only two teams who seem to be improved from last season. 

The good news is, the conference will bounce back next year.  Most of the best seniors in New England are, and this is unusual, from non-NESCAC squads (Bartolotta, Kathan, DeLucca, Johnson, etc.), the teams with the new coaches should be better after a full year to adapt to the new systems, and on paper, only Middlebury looks to be less talented overall next season.  Plus, there are a lot of strong frosh in the conference who are just now starting to make an impact.  Still, if there is ever going to be a year for a non-NESCAC new england team to snag a final four bid, this is that year.  (The last team to do so was Salem State back in 2000, another down year for the usual NESCAC contenders ...).  That being said, no one else in New England looks like a powerhouse either, so Amherst, Midd, or maybe even Williams or Colby could break through if they sneak into the NCAA's. 

Yeah, my comment was meant to be about NE in general, it just turns out that the highest ranked NE teams are from the NESCAC (Midd and Amherst) with Salem State, UMD, Brandeis, MIT, WPI, Elms, etc. following close behind.  Even the usually weak East has a top 20 team in the country (Ithaca, Rochester is also rated 26, St. John Fisher is 31) and the NE doesnt even have a team in the top 40 ( in the non-MOV ratings).
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 23, 2009, 10:02:08 am
So, with that win, WPI falls to #77 in the Massey Ratings.

http://www.masseyratings.com/rate.php?lg=cb&sub=III&mid=1

MIT is #59, Wheaton is #154, but these will change daily.

I think NE appears to be down in general.  If you look at the rankings with MOV (the link above is with MOV, or margin of victory), the highest ranked NE team is Middlebury at 42.  With MOV, Middlebury is the highest at 25.  Amherst isnt even top 40 in either rankings and they are the highest ranked NE team in the d3hoops rankings. 

They probably won't be for long. As was mentioned, Massey changes every day. We just change once a week, so next Monday night we'll see what's what.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on January 23, 2009, 10:07:43 am
So, with that win, WPI falls to #77 in the Massey Ratings.

http://www.masseyratings.com/rate.php?lg=cb&sub=III&mid=1

MIT is #59, Wheaton is #154, but these will change daily.

I think NE appears to be down in general.  If you look at the rankings with MOV (the link above is with MOV, or margin of victory), the highest ranked NE team is Middlebury at 42.  With MOV, Middlebury is the highest at 25.  Amherst isnt even top 40 in either rankings and they are the highest ranked NE team in the d3hoops rankings. 

They probably won't be for long. As was mentioned, Massey changes every day. We just change once a week, so next Monday night we'll see what's what.

I am not sure about everyday for D3, they still have Wheaton as 15-0 as of this morning and that loss occurred Wednesday night.  But I know what you are saying.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: T990 on January 23, 2009, 11:25:53 am
Right, they don't actually change every day.  I see written at the top of the page today "Using games from Friday, November 7, 2008 to Tuesday, January 20, 2009".
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: T990 on January 23, 2009, 11:37:06 am
...Still, if there is ever going to be a year for a non-NESCAC new england team to snag a final four bid, this is that year. 

Just a reminder that last year's NEWMAC champion, Coast Guard (24-7), defeated the NESCAC champion in the NCAAs and was within an overtime loss on Ursinus' homecourt (Centennial Conference) of reaching the Final Four.  Meaning the strength of the NESCAC did not keep a New England team out of the F4.

If the NESCAC is down this year, it could mean additional Pool C bid(s) up for grabs to non-NESCAC teams.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on January 23, 2009, 11:57:08 am
...Still, if there is ever going to be a year for a non-NESCAC new england team to snag a final four bid, this is that year. 

Just a reminder that last year's NEWMAC champion, Coast Guard (24-7), defeated the NESCAC champion in the NCAAs and was within an overtime loss on Ursinus' homecourt (Centennial Conference) of reaching the Final Four.  Meaning the strength of the NESCAC did not keep a New England team out of the F4.

If the NESCAC is down this year, it could mean additional Pool C bid(s) up for grabs to non-NESCAC teams.

Or additional Pool C's for non-NE teams.  There is no fixed number from each region that is selected.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: ephoops on January 23, 2009, 01:22:32 pm
...Still, if there is ever going to be a year for a non-NESCAC new england team to snag a final four bid, this is that year. 

Just a reminder that last year's NEWMAC champion, Coast Guard (24-7), defeated the NESCAC champion in the NCAAs and was within an overtime loss on Ursinus' homecourt (Centennial Conference) of reaching the Final Four.  Meaning the strength of the NESCAC did not keep a New England team out of the F4.

If the NESCAC is down this year, it could mean additional Pool C bid(s) up for grabs to non-NESCAC teams.

Or additional Pool C's for non-NE teams.  There is no fixed number from each region that is selected.

I agree...it's likely that NE will see fewer Pool C bids than in the recent past
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on January 24, 2009, 05:13:10 pm
MIT beats Clark today on the road to further their best ever NEWMAC start to 5-0 (with 4 of those wins on the road).  MIT was again led by Jimmy Bartolotta with 32 points on 12-21 shooting (3-6 from 3) and 6 boards.  Also playing well was Billy Johnson with 23 points (6-11 shooting) and 7 boards.  Bradley Gampel had 10 assists and 8 rebounds.  MIT was again lights out from the field, shooting 26-47 (55%) and 9-18 from 3 (50%)

MIT blew open what was a 3 point game at the half, with great play in the second half.  They lead by as many as 22 before coasting to an 11 point victory (Clark had an 16-5 run over the last 2:30 with the starters out to account for the final score).

WPI also won, beating Wheaton, to go to 5-0 in the NEWMAC.  WPI hosts MIT on Wednesday to see who will be the conference leader half way through the conference schedule.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: massd3fan on January 26, 2009, 07:48:51 am
hugenerd,

   I will say MIT wins this one at WPI.  With the way Johnson has adjusted to playing the 5, MIT has two definitive "go-to" players that both provide matchup difficulties for WPI.  Johnson presents a huge huge problem for WPI.  If WPI goes with their small lineup, he can take over inside, if they play their only big guy (big body, but slow) on him, he can go back outside or work him off the dribble.

  As this is JB,s last go round, and I can see him having a huge game.  I you have presented the case for him being the best player in the conference for the past few years, I can see him wanting to cement that with a major statement game.  This is MIT's opportunity to take control of the conference and give their nemesis a slap in the process.

I hope to get there to see this one, it should be a great atmosphere.

We have a couple of day's to talk this one up, besides its ore fun talking about this than the Super Bowl !
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on January 26, 2009, 08:17:17 am
hugenerd,

   I will say MIT wins this one at WPI.  With the way Johnson has adjusted to playing the 5, MIT has two definitive "go-to" players that both provide matchup difficulties for WPI.  Johnson presents a huge huge problem for WPI.  If WPI goes with their small lineup, he can take over inside, if they play their only big guy (big body, but slow) on him, he can go back outside or work him off the dribble.

  As this is JB,s last go round, and I can see him having a huge game.  I you have presented the case for him being the best player in the conference for the past few years, I can see him wanting to cement that with a major statement game.  This is MIT's opportunity to take control of the conference and give their nemesis a slap in the process.

I hope to get there to see this one, it should be a great atmosphere.

We have a couple of day's to talk this one up, besides its ore fun talking about this than the Super Bowl !


I wont be able to make it but I sure am looking forward to it. 

The team's are very different, considering WPI seems to have a very balanced attack with 9-10 players contributing every game, while MIT depends heavily on their starting 5 (Bartolotta and Johnson score 67.5% of MITs points in their NEWMAC games so far, with those two + Jamie Karrakar scoring 84% of the team's offense).  I think that MIT definitely has a good chance to win, they have been playing really well on the road lately (they led both the Springfield and Clark games by 20+ points in the second half in their last two road games).  However, it is always interesting on the road.  WPI is a strong home team and it will also depend on Jimmy B and Billy J staying out of foul trouble.  Bradley Gampel will also play a key role.  If he can handle WPI's defense and not commit too many turnovers, it will give MIT a much better chance to win.

In terms of Billy J, he has definitely caused a lot of mathcup problems at the 5.  He has been knocking down two to four 3's the last several games (which is hard for a true post to defend) and at 6'8" he can take smaller guys inside.  Considering that Jimmy B has been a constant this season, scoring near his average in every game (he hasnt scored less than 20 in any game this season), I think Billy J has played a very large role in MIT's emergence as a top team in the NEWMAC.  He his currently the second leading scorer in NEWMAC conference play (23 ppg, behind Bartolotta's 30 ppg) and has also been averageing 6.8 rpg (second on the team behind Bartolotta's 7.3 rpg).  (Note all stats are through last Wednesday's games, because NEWMAC hasnt updated their stats through Saturday's games yet).

Should be a fun one to follow online (for me) and even more fun for you to watch in person.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: T990 on January 26, 2009, 11:06:13 am
Epic battle of unbeaten (5-0) NEWMAC giants this week!

WPI is a little hard to figure.  They had some trouble w/ Babson (0-5) at home, but had no trouble beating down Wheaton (3-2) in Norton.

Last year MIT had a great chance to beat WPI in Cambridge, missing the final shot in regulation, then losing in overtime.  But WPI won the game in Worcester going away.

Seems like the home team should be favored in both WPI-MIT matchups this year.  Right now, the W/L profiles of both teams are very similar this season.

Jimmy B is currently third in the nation in scoring, as well as up there in a bevy of other stats.  He will gain further well-deserved recognition if his team can accomplish something significant this season before he graduates, and at the moment, they are poised to do so. 
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on January 26, 2009, 03:05:09 pm
Epic battle of unbeaten (5-0) NEWMAC giants this week!

WPI is a little hard to figure.  They had some trouble w/ Babson (0-5) at home, but had no trouble beating down Wheaton (3-2) in Norton.

Last year MIT had a great chance to beat WPI in Cambridge, missing the final shot in regulation, then losing in overtime.  But WPI won the game in Worcester going away.

Seems like the home team should be favored in both WPI-MIT matchups this year.  Right now, the W/L profiles of both teams are very similar this season.

Jimmy B is currently third in the nation in scoring, as well as up there in a bevy of other stats.  He will gain further well-deserved recognition if his team can accomplish something significant this season before he graduates, and at the moment, they are poised to do so. 

This MIT team looks a little different than years past.  They are still strong at home (unbeaten this season), but they have also won 4 of their 5 NEWMAC games on the road (only WPI and Babson remain on the road).
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: massd3fan on January 26, 2009, 04:39:46 pm
Agreed, this is THE game for the MIT seniors.  Winning this one opens the door to running the table for conference title.  This team appears to be very focused on that goal (wining the conference, not specifically going unbeaten).  Hugenerd, I also agree with you, getting the ball up court and into their offensive sets is critical for MIT.  WPI had been playing rather "lazy" going into that Wheaton game.  By "lazy" I mean doing just what they needed to get by in beating Coast Guard, Trinity, Clark & Babson.

From what I have heard from a couple of Wheaton Alumni, that game on saturday was nasty.  The officals lost control of the game early and struggled to get it back all day.  They allowed a lot of chippy play and players on both sides got hot.  WPI had a 20 point lead late in the 1st half and allowed Wheaton to get back to 10 a couple of times in the second half.

These guys were disappointed because Wheaton got up early and looked to have WPI very frustrated.  From what they said, the Robinson kid came in from the bench and changed the complexion of the game with some hustle plays and big shots.  This was a chance for Wheaton to step up to the top of the conference, but they seems to wilt under the pressure of the moment.  According to them, once Wheaton got behind, Coppola pressed and tried to do too much, many times going 1 on 3 and forcing a bad shot or pass.  Also, Degnan played completely out of control and was creating a lot of the "extra" friction by diliberately bumping into WPI players after the whistle and going overboard with the trash talking.

I dont see this happening to MIT.  Bartolotta will not be as easy to fluster as Coppola, and Wheaton has no one like Johnson.  I think the 2 major keys are are Gampel's ball handling and the Johnson Vs whoever matchup.  you never know what might happen, but I don't see WPI having any good answer for Johnson.
From their roster & stats page (& what little I saw of them this year so far) , it would appear they are going to have 3 guys playing him.  The big kid Lessard can get the better of Johnson in low post, but I dont think he can play him on the perimeter.  If they go small (Stewart & Perez), I can see Johnson getting the better of it down low, and also just shooting over them from the outside.  According to the roster, WPI only has one other kid on the roster who can present a good size matchup, but he doesnt play much at all.

As far as handling the ball, WPI might be able to wear down the MIT ball handlers.  How much does JB bring the ball up?  Will MIT use him more in that role if the pressure starts creating turnovers?  WPI definitely has the advantage in depth and fresh bodies.  Certainly if Johnson or JB get into foul trouble, that tips the scales toward WPI in a big way.  Lots of interesting "issues" for both teams in this game.  My hope is that the officals let them  play, but not the extent that my Wheaton friends witnessed.  I want to see a good game between the best the NEWMAC has to offer this year.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: nescac1 on January 26, 2009, 04:46:00 pm
Kinda scary to think how good MIT could be if their 6'5 former conference frosh of the year, 6'8 senior center, and 6'10 top frosh recruit all hadn't quit the program ...
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on January 26, 2009, 05:55:18 pm
Kinda scary to think how good MIT could be if their 6'5 former conference frosh of the year, 6'8 senior center, and 6'10 top frosh recruit all hadn't quit the program ...

Yeah, its not just those 3 either, there were 2 other big men and 2 other forwards who all quit (for academic or other reasons).  Also, Dan McCue, who was a top 3 scorer for the team last year is out for the season with an injury.  MIT is doing pretty well regardless, though.  The guys they have fit in perfectly to the style they are playing currently, although I am sure they would love to have some more players (so they could at least practice 5 v. 5 without the coaches playing).
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on January 26, 2009, 07:34:50 pm
The new top 25 poll is out and there are 2 NEWMAC teams receiving votes:  WPI is 29th and MIT is 34th.  I believe this is the first time that MIT has ever received votes in the d3hoops.com poll.  In 05-06 when they won 21 games, I dont believe they received a single vote.

Congrats MIT and hopefully you can bring home a W on Wednesday!
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: massd3fan on January 26, 2009, 10:09:31 pm
Possible hitch in the game on Wednesday - SNOW!!!

Possible 6 to 12" for the Worcester area on Wednesday!

Stay Tuned!

Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: T990 on January 27, 2009, 08:08:04 pm
Forecast for Worcester:

6AM Light Snow

9AM Snow

3PM Wintry Mix

6PM Freezing Rain  :-[

midnight Cloudy


Hour by Hour Forecast Update click here (http://www.weather.com/weather/hourbyhour/USMA0502?par=usatoday&site=www.usatoday.com&promo=0&cm_ven=USAToday&cm_cat=www.usatoday.com&cm_pla=WxPage&cm_ite=CityPage)
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on January 28, 2009, 10:07:27 am
Not looking too good for the NEWMAC games today.  The snow is coming down wicked fast here in Cambridge.  I dont see how MIT could make it to WPI (where it is supposed to snow more).  You never know though.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: T990 on January 28, 2009, 01:39:01 pm
Today's WPI game is ON.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on January 28, 2009, 01:55:38 pm
Today's WPI game is ON.

Yeah, I talked to some people in the MIT athletics department after I made my previous post and they are going to try to make it up there (the roads are horrible though).  MIT has games on Saturday and Monday so they would really like to get this game in on time to allow for normal rest so that they dont have 3 games in 5 days and 4 games io 7 days.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: T990 on January 28, 2009, 02:21:48 pm
Let's hope everyone is safe.

Live Stats here:

http://livestats.prestosports.com/wpi/

Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on January 28, 2009, 08:39:45 pm
MIT loses a tough one tonight at WPI, 68-55.  After going up 12-2, seven minutes into the game (WPI scored its first FG at 12:48), MIT gave up an 9-0 run over the next 1.5 minutes.  WPI followed up their 9-0 run with another 8-0 run after a couple traded baskets to take the lead.  MIT then followed with an 8-0 run to take the lead 27-26 with 3:55 to go in the first half.  WPI finished the half strong to go into the break up 37-30. 

Much of the second half was back and forth.  The lead was usually about 5-7 points for WPI, but crept into double digits at the end of the game.  MIT had a few chances down the stretch down by 7 or less, but could never convert and WPI took care of the ball to preserve the lead.

Jimmy Bartolotta fought foul trouble and had his worst scoring (and shooting) effort of the season, going for 17 points, 6 rebounds and 4 assists.  Billy Johnson added 20 points and 7 boards for MIT and Jamie Karraker chipped in 11.

WPI was led by Jeff Robinson with 17 points, while Jerome Kirkland and Bennett Lessard each added 12 points.  Lessard also had 9 boards.

The difference was FG%, MIT was held to 37% and WPI shot 48%.

With all that said, if you asked Coach Anderson at the beginning of the season if he would take a 5-1 start in the NEWMAC, going 4-1 on the road in that span, I am sure he would have taken it.  MIT finishes their season with 5 of 6 conference games at home, while WPI plays 4 of their final 6 on the road (including at MIT).
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: T990 on January 29, 2009, 10:38:48 am
With that win, WPI moves up to become the top rated rated team in New England in today's Wilson Computer Poll (http://talismanred.com/ratings/hoops/divisioniii.shtml), tied with Amherst at 541.  Middlebury is at 540.  MIT drops about 4 points to 515, currently 9th in New England.  This poll does change frequently (if not daily).
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: massd3fan on January 29, 2009, 12:32:16 pm
Gentlemen,

   I had hoped to be able to give you a first-hand report, but other priorities prevented that.  My next door neighbor fell and cracked her hip last evening as she was trying to clean her steps off.  My wife  & I spent most of the evening at the hospital with her.

   Anyway, I was very surprised when i got home and scanned through box score.  Give the Lessard kid credit, from what I read in the recap and the box score, he stepped up big in a big game!  Robinson gave WPI a huge offensive lift off the bench.

  Does anyone know what happened to JB that caused him to draw the "T" ?  They obviously did a great job making life difficult for him.  I was really expecting a much better performance from him.  Does anyone know who drew the defensive assignment to guard him?

Johnson seemed to be effective playing all 40 minutes and shooting well.  JB  was 6 for 16 and only 1 for 5 from 3pt range.  Gampel did appear to struggle some with 6 turnovers, but then Lirette from WPI had 5 as well.  Big difference there was Lirette had 9 assists while Gampel only had 3.

This gives WPI the inside track to the #1 seed, but they do have to hold up on the road as 4 of the remaining 6 are away. 
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on January 29, 2009, 02:14:28 pm
Gentlemen,

   I had hoped to be able to give you a first-hand report, but other priorities prevented that.  My next door neighbor fell and cracked her hip last evening as she was trying to clean her steps off.  My wife  & I spent most of the evening at the hospital with her.

   Anyway, I was very surprised when i got home and scanned through box score.  Give the Lessard kid credit, from what I read in the recap and the box score, he stepped up big in a big game!  Robinson gave WPI a huge offensive lift off the bench.

  Does anyone know what happened to JB that caused him to draw the "T" ?  They obviously did a great job making life difficult for him.  I was really expecting a much better performance from him.  Does anyone know who drew the defensive assignment to guard him?

Johnson seemed to be effective playing all 40 minutes and shooting well.  JB  was 6 for 16 and only 1 for 5 from 3pt range.  Gampel did appear to struggle some with 6 turnovers, but then Lirette from WPI had 5 as well.  Big difference there was Lirette had 9 assists while Gampel only had 3.

This gives WPI the inside track to the #1 seed, but they do have to hold up on the road as 4 of the remaining 6 are away. 

I dont know why he got the technical, but I was pretty shocked to see it on the livestats.  That is the first time I can remember that Jimmy B has ever gotten a technical at MIT (and I have been at MIT since he was a freshman).  I may not be remembering one he had in a past year, but he is usually the most calm and collected person on the court, and this is definitely the first one on the year for him.  But these are the types of things that happen on the road I guess, so MIT just needs to take care of business at home.

It will be important for MIT to continue to win their league games (they have 5 of 6 at home, with the lone road game being at Babson) so that they have a shot at beating WPI at Rockwell Cage in MIT's second to last game of the season.  I am not sure what the tiebreakers are, but if both teams are 11-1, splitting against eachother, it would be interesting to see who hosts.  Anyone know if it would be a coin toss or something else (just out of curiousity)?
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: T990 on January 29, 2009, 05:07:57 pm
A major turning point in the game was when Jimmy Bartolotta (JB) got whistled for a PF and a Tech Foul at 7:39 in the first half.  Similar to the Gordon game, JB gets called for a curious foul away from the ball(?).  I didn't see what happened or what could have justified a T.  The Technical put him at 3 fouls and then at 3:28 he was called for his 4th in the first half.  The game was tied at 27 at that point and JB went to the bench.  It seemed to affect MIT psychologically for the rest of the game.  WPI plays a lot of handchhecking and shirt grabbing that didn't get called as fouls, but that seemed to draw MIT into retaliation/frustration fouls.

MIT played a zone for about 15 minutes of the second half, apparently to protect JB from fouling out.  The game was a 7 point spread at half and basically the second half was a stalemate w/ MIT's zone and inability to get ever back into their offensive rhythm.  Give Coach Chris Bartley credit, they took MIT out of their game and kept them out of it.  WPI's defense was effective, holding MIT to 55 points as they average 75 ppg.

Obviously, MIT needs to develop better confidence and swagger when JB or Bill Johnson is out of the game to win over the long haul.  They could use some offensive diversity for the second go-around in the NEWMAC.

Loose balls and loose rebounds were typically being won by WPI.  MIT may never be able to match WPI's energy, so they'll need to make up for it with more careful ball handling and less risky long passes that were being turned over by WPI.

WPI has a roster unlike the rest of the NEWMAC.  It's deep with quick, aggressive, athletic guys who play good man defense and while not great shooters or scorers, will make their share of shots if left open.  Their aggressive ball hawking eventually creates enough havoc and turnovers that some open opportunities result.  No one else in the NEWMAC plays like this.  Someone posted elsewhere that WPI is weak inside, but they do have 6-8 Bennett Lessard who is a space eater and can bang with anyone in the NEWMAC.  Otherwise they are undersized and it would seem they could potentially be exploited in close by a 4 or 3 posting up or possibly driving to the hole on a clear out (have to draw Lessard away from the basket).  Interesting that Bartley has 2 guys (seniors Kirkland and Izuchi) from O'Bryant HS and now 2 guys from Lowell HS (freshman Perez and Brown).
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on January 31, 2009, 04:29:13 pm
MIT rebounds by blowing out current NEWMAC #3 85-60.  Bartolotta returns to his true form, going for 39 on 14-19 shooting (6-9 from 3), along with 7 rebounds, 2 assists, 2 steals, and 2 blocks. Billy Johnson added 19 and 7.  MIT improves to 6-1 in conference and remains undefeated at home.  They host UMass-Boston on Monday before returning to conference action hosting Springfield on Wednesday.

Also a very big congrats to Jimmy Bartolotta for scoring his 2000th point today in the game against Wheaton.  I unfortunately was unable to make it but I am sure it was nice to get the mark in front of the home crowd.  He now stands at 2009 points for his career.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on February 01, 2009, 08:39:22 pm
The front page looks NICE!
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on February 01, 2009, 10:15:42 pm
A major turning point in the game was when Jimmy Bartolotta (JB) got whistled for a PF and a Tech Foul at 7:39 in the first half.  Similar to the Gordon game, JB gets called for a curious foul away from the ball(?).  I didn't see what happened or what could have justified a T.  The Technical put him at 3 fouls and then at 3:28 he was called for his 4th in the first half.  The game was tied at 27 at that point and JB went to the bench.  It seemed to affect MIT psychologically for the rest of the game.  WPI plays a lot of handchhecking and shirt grabbing that didn't get called as fouls, but that seemed to draw MIT into retaliation/frustration fouls.

I talked to a very reliable source about the game and from what I hear the tech was a the combination of a dive by a WPI player and a homer call.  After Bartolotta was called for the initial foul, the two players were tangled up and when Bartolotta went to stand up, the WPI player acted like Bartolotta had pushed him and went flying. Like I said earlier, Bartolotta has never gotten a T and it sounds like it should have stayed that way.  With that said, WPI still has to play at MIT.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: massd3fan on February 02, 2009, 07:46:19 am
"Bartolotta has never gotten a T and it sounds like it should have stayed that way.  With that said, WPI still has to play at MIT."

Actually, he got a T in last year's game with WPI at MIT.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on February 02, 2009, 09:38:58 am
"Bartolotta has never gotten a T and it sounds like it should have stayed that way.  With that said, WPI still has to play at MIT."

Actually, he got a T in last year's game with WPI at MIT.

OK, he has never gotten a T against anyone besides WPI.  Regardless, the one last week was bogus.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: massd3fan on February 02, 2009, 04:27:18 pm
Hugenerd,

   Sorry about the abuptness of the post, I was on my way to a meeting.  A colleague had attended that game last year and mentioned it to me.  I took a few minutes this morning to check the old box score on it.

   Not surprising really, most guys who play with the intensity that JB does will get a few over a career.

Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: massd3fan on February 02, 2009, 04:28:14 pm
Did anyone find any info on the tie breaker procedure that the NEWMAC uses ?
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: massd3fan on February 02, 2009, 04:31:50 pm
Congratulations to Jerome Kirkland on being named NEWMAC Player of the Week

"Kirkland was WPI’s top scorer in a week that saw the Engineers win a pair of NEWMAC contests, including a 68-55 victory over fellow conference unbeaten MIT. He averaged 14.5 points per game while connecting on 12-of-20 (60.0%) shots from the floor and draining 50.0% (5-of-10) of his 3-point attempts on the week. Kirkland registered 12 points, three rebounds and a pair of steals against MIT before posting a team-high 17 points in a win against Coast Guard. The senior also anchored a defensive effort that limited opponents to an average of 56 points last week."

Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on February 02, 2009, 04:38:36 pm
Did anyone find any info on the tie breaker procedure that the NEWMAC uses ?

I dont know what it is.  If MIT wins their next 3 conference games, I will find out.  If anyone already knows, feel free to share.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on February 02, 2009, 07:21:07 pm
9 minutes into the MIT-UMass Boston game, Bartolotta has 20 points.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on February 02, 2009, 08:38:22 pm
MIT wins tonight 87-53, they improve to 15-5 overall.  Bartolotta ended up with 34 after a very hot start (he sat out the last 9 or 10 minutes of the game).  Jamie Karraker added 20 points.  MIT made 17 3s (8 of the by Bartolotta, 5 by Karraker).

This game was never really close.  UMB started off the game in a zone, which MIT just ate up and drilled a bunch of 3s in the first 10 minutes.  MIT continued to play solid and grew the lead to close to 40 points and they were able to rest their big 3 almost the last quarter of the game (Johnson fouled out, but he was still resting).
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: massd3fan on February 03, 2009, 08:16:35 am
I found this by using the search feature on the NEWMAC website.  From the NEWMAC Handbook Ver. 11.4


C.   TIE-BREAKING/SEEDING

1.  Seeding in the team sports of the following:
Baseball
Basketball
Field Hockey
Lacrosse
Soccer
Softball
Volleyball
Will be based on results of conference competition during the season.

2.   The team with the best NEWMAC record is seeded #1.  The second best record, # 2, etc. through to the 10th position

3.   Tie-breaking principles, in order of presentation, for the following sports:

      Baseball
      Basketball
      Field Hockey
      Lacrosse
      Softball

      a. Head-to-head competition results. *
      b. Records among teams that are tied. 
      c. Use a comparison against a ranked order, beginning with the top seed until the tie is broken. 
              -   For example: If  2 teams are tied for fourth place, then those 2 teams’ results will be compared
                with results against the # 1 seed first, then the # 2 seed, and so on until the tie is broken.
              -   If 3 teams are tied and the tie is broken with 2 teams remaining tied, then the tie is broken by
                head-to-head results.
      d. If necessary, head-to-head competition against common, non-conference opponents of the teams
          that are tied will be used.
              -When using non-conference opponents’ results, contests held at home for both (or more)
                institutions or on the road for both (or more) institutions will be used before looking at collective
                records against common opponents.

See individual sports for additional steps that have been added before the final step.

      e. A draw will occur as the final step for all tied teams. 

      * For women’s basketball, with regard to seeding tie-breakers between three schools (two in East
        and one in West) disregard head-to-head because there are insufficient playing opportunities to
        support a decision. (Adopted: 06/04/02 effective 10/15/03)

For example:  4 way tie between Wellesley, Wheaton, Babson, and WPI
      - Head-to-head shows that no one team defeated the other three.
      - Win/loss record among tied teams show that Wheaton and Babson are 2-1.  Head-to-head between
        the 2 teams finds that Babson defeated Wheaton; therefore Babson is seeded above Wheaton.
      - Win/loss record between Wellesley and WPI show that they are 1-2.  Head-to-head between the 2
        teams finds that WPI defeated Wellesley; therefore WPI is seeded above Wellesley.
      - The seeds would be Babson, then Wheaton, then WPI, and then Wellesley.

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6.   Tie Breaking Procedure

   Step 1: Apply the highest priority principle on each tie, starting on the highest seeded tie and traversing
               to the lowest seeded tie, before moving to the next principle.  If more than two teams are
               included within the tie, try to break the entire tie with the given principle.
   Step 2: If the highest priority principle does not break a tie, move to the next principle.
   Step 3: Once a tie is broken using a non-draw method, start the tie-breaking procedure over at Step 1.
   Step 4: Once the draw principle is used on one tie, apply the draw principle to all ties.

Note: This procedure allows for a tie-break between a lower seeded tie to affect the tie-break between a higher seeded tie.  Assume the highest seeded tie could not be broken via head-to-head, but the lower seeded tie could.  The lower seeded tie would be broken before the ranked order comparison is applied to the higher seeded tie, thus affecting which institution you compare results with first.

If someone knows of something more up to date, please post it!


Assuming this is correct.....

IF Both WPI AND MIT finish 11-1 (Assuming each teams single loss occurs on the other's home court.)

a. - No Tie Break - Split the two games
b. - No Tie break - Both teams won every other conference game
c. - No Tie Break -  Both teams won every other conference game
d. -                      - Common Non-Conf. Opponents
                                        Curry (WPI Won on the road 67-51, MIT Won at home 90-63)
                                        Salem St. (WPI Lost on the road 73-69, MIT Lost on the road 75-65)
                                        UMass-Boston (WPI Won at home 84-52, MIT Won at home 87-53)

How the wording is applied here is critical.  Does "When using non-conference opponents’ results,
contests held at home for both (or more) institutions or on the road for both (or more) institutions will be used before looking at collective records against common opponents" mean the toal home record against common non-conf. opponents, or does it mean common home games against those teams?

If it is the former, MIT wins the tie break with a 2-0 home record vs WPI's 1-0.

Otherwise its MIT 1-0 at home and WPI 1-0 at home against thier only common non-conf opponent at home (UMass-Boston) and both would remain tied due a common loss at Salem St.  Their combined record Vs Non-conf would still leave them tied at 2-1.  In this case it would fall to that worst of all scenarios....the dreaded draw!!

This is a quick run-through, feel free to point out anything I missed here!

Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: massd3fan on February 03, 2009, 08:32:30 am
Congratulations to Coach Bartley & WPI for jumping back into the D3hoops.com Top 25!  The Engineers are 16-3 and captured 79 votes to take the #22 positon in this weeks poll.

Massey Rankings Thru 2/1/09

WPI -  #43
MIT  -  #83
Wheaton - #160
Babson - #190
Springfield - #227
Coast Guard - #234
Clark - #263

Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: T990 on February 03, 2009, 12:52:40 pm

      b. Records among teams that are tied. 
     

I guess this is for when there are more than 2 teams tied, using the records against the other tied teams after the head to head taken into account.  Right?

(ie, not using overall records including non-conference games)
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: T990 on February 03, 2009, 12:58:22 pm
How the wording is applied here is critical.  Does "When using non-conference opponents’ results,
contests held at home for both (or more) institutions or on the road for both (or more) institutions will be used before looking at collective records against common opponents" mean the toal home record against common non-conf. opponents, or does it mean common home games against those teams?

I read it as, to first break the tie, use nonconference games against common opponents that were played on the similar court, ie, if both teams played the same NC Opponent at home, use it; if both teams played the same NCO away, use it.  If the tie is still not broken, then use games against common NCO even if one team played them away and the other played them at home.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on February 03, 2009, 03:52:38 pm
So essentially if both teams go 11-1, they will be tied in every tiebreaker scenario. Is that what everyone else gets?
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: T990 on February 03, 2009, 08:57:59 pm
WPI loses at CLARK tonight!

68-56.

Clark lead by 5 at 4:00 left.

Clark lead by 6 at 1:42 left.

Clark lead by 8 at :39 left.

Clark lead by 10 at :25 left.


My info from:

http://www.clarku.edu/athletics/varsity/basketball_livestats/xlive.htm

Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: JustAFan on February 03, 2009, 09:16:35 pm
Clark's Jack Minister, who was averaging 8 pts a game coming into tonight's game vs. WPI, exploded for 27 tonight--everything he threw up at the basket went in.  6-5 freshman teammate Brian Vadya had 21 points and 14 rebounds for the Cougars. 

Clark played a 2-3 zone that really shut down WPI.  The Engineers should expect to see a lot more zone defense over the rest of the season.  WPI really struggled from the outside tonight, and even though they played 3 guards for a lot of the second half they didn't look for their outside shot and they also didn't seem to be confident the few times they took it.  They don't seem to have a consistent outside scorer this year to bail them out when they can't penetrate and dish. WPI played most of the second half without Etten, who was in foul trouble, and their 6-8 kid didn't play much either, and without those 2 kids WPI is very young up front. 

This loss may teach the WPI players more about themselves, and their deficiencies that need improvement, than they have learned in all of their recent wins.  Congrats to Clark coach Phillips for a good gameplan and for getting his kids to execute it.

Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: T990 on February 03, 2009, 09:40:34 pm
JustAFan, good post.  I must say 2 of the freshman I noticed in the NEWMAC so far are Brian Vayda (Sturbridge, MA) and Jamie Karraker (MIT).
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on February 03, 2009, 09:42:37 pm
I guess all that tiebreaker stuff goes out the window.  Great win for Clark. 

T990, I agree with you about the those two being the top two freshman.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: massd3fan on February 03, 2009, 10:10:41 pm
Hugenerd,

  Just got home and was looking at the box score,  looks like Clark figured out how to get their bigs going against WPI Normandin, Vayda & Minster matched the entire WPI offensive output with 56 points.  Fpr WPI, Lessard only played 16 minutes and they only other real size they have a 6'7" freshmen doesnt play much at all.  That means they are going more than half the game with no one on the court over 6-3" or 6'4".  Clarks big 3 worked well inside and out tonight.

JustAfan is right, WPI has not had a consistent go-to scorer this season.  Kirkland had been scoring well recently, but was held to 7 pts on 1 of 6 shooting and Robinson was the other playeer who has had some big offensive games only put up 4 pts making 2 of 13 shots.

The only bright spot tonight for WPI tonight was Perez with a near double-double ( 9 Reb, 13 pts)

Perez's effort though was clearly overshadowed by Vayda's 15 boards and 21 pts on 8 of 11 shots.

Huge loss for WPI after returning to the Top 25 today.  Now they MUST win at MIT on Valentine's Day in order to win the regular season title and play host for the conference tournament.

That of course assumes the win the rest of their conference games, which after tonight is not a given.

Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on February 03, 2009, 10:36:32 pm
Massd3fan, thats why all the games between WPI or MIT vs. Clark or CGA will be/were close (although MIT was able to build a 20+ point lead at Clark by shooting lights out from 3).  WPI and MIT both have much stronger perimeter play while Clark and CGA have some guys who can get stuff done inside.  When WPI and MIT play eachother, they really are a good matchup for one another.  MIT is much stronger in their top few players, while WPI has a lot of depth.  I think if Bartolotta and Johnson stay out of foul trouble, MIT has a really good shot when they host WPI.  With that said, MIT needs to take care of business the next 3 games before that matchup.  MIT does have 4 of their final 5 at home, which will help, while WPI is on the road 3 of their final 4.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on February 04, 2009, 03:07:57 pm
NCAA Regional Rankings are up:  WPI 1st, MIT 6th in the Northeast.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on February 04, 2009, 10:21:14 pm
MIT comes back to beat Springfield tonight at home.  MIT played an awful first half, which had some to do with Springfield's good defense and also MIT's poor shooting.  The team was really carried by Jamie Karraker, who scored more than half of MITs points in the first frame (12), including the first 9 points for MIT, while Billy Johnson was held scoreless and Jimmy Bartolotta scored only 2 points.  Halftime score was 29-23 Springfield.

The second half was more of a battle.  In the first few mintues, Springfield opened up a 9 point lead, and they were able to hold onto the lead for the first 7.5 minutes, but you could tell that MIT was starting to find their rhythm as they started making shots (it took them less than 10 minutes to equal their entire first half output). From the 12.5 minute mark until about 1.5 minutes left in the game, it was a seesaw battle with no team leading by more than 4 points. However, from the 3.5 minute mark until the end of the game, MIT took control with their defense (Springfiled only scored 4 points in the final 3.5), 3 point shooting (MIT was 3-3 during that span), and FT shooting (MIT was 6-6 to close out the game).  Jimmy B started it off with a 3 to give MIT the lead for good at 56-53.  That was followed up by 3s from Jamie Karraker and Billy Johnson.  MIT made its FTs down the stretch which accounted for the the final score, 68-57. 

Karraker and Bartolotta (18 in the second half) each finished with 20 points. Bartolotta also got it done defensively with 4 blocks and 3 steals.  The Billy's (Johnson and Bender) controlled the glass for MIT with 14 rebounds and 12 rebounds, respectively.  Brad Gampel did a great job leading the team, with 7 assists, 4 steals, and only 3 turnovers. Eric Zuk was very efficient, going 5-7 from the floor with 11 points.  It was a great team win for MIT tonight.  With the win, MIT still controls its own destiny.  If they win out, the get to host the NEWMAC tourney, which would be a huge advantagefor them as they are perfect at home this season.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: LyonFan on February 05, 2009, 08:36:22 pm
For Hugenerd and others, if you have not seen it already, check out the piece in the NY TImes:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/06/sports/ncaabasketball/06mit.html?_r=1&ref=sports

Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on February 05, 2009, 11:51:01 pm
Thanks LyonFan
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on February 07, 2009, 01:20:13 pm
MIT up 16-2, 6 minutes into the game.  CGA's coach has already been hit with two T's and was ejected.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on February 07, 2009, 01:44:04 pm
MIT up 33-29 ath the half.  Bartolotta has 20.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on February 07, 2009, 11:25:10 pm
Missed the second half today due to family commitments.  Looks like I missed a good game, but a bad result for MIT. They lose in OT, in a game it looks like they should have won in regulatiton, up 3 with 2 seconds left.  Bartolotta had 38 points in the loss.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: nescac1 on February 08, 2009, 09:30:49 am
Wow, what did the CGA coach do? 

Up 3 with 2 second left?  Did MIT do the smart thing and foul or the dumb, conventional thing (e.g., Memphis v. Kansas last year) and allow a three point attempt?  I can't stand when teams don't foul up 3 with less than five seconds left -- odds are much, much better of stopping a free throw make, intentional miss, offensive rebound, conversation than a regular 3 point play, yet no one ever seems to do this ... drives me nuts. 
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on February 08, 2009, 06:55:18 pm
Looks like they didnt foul.  Although the player who made the 3 had only taken 7 three=pointers all season.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: T990 on February 08, 2009, 09:41:42 pm
There was only 1.8 sec left.  No, MIT did not try to foul. 

As far as Coach Barry's ejection:  after his first Technical, Barry was yelling at the Ref (who called the T) that he was not even talking to him (maybe he was talking to his own player?).  What was weird in my mind, why doesn't the Ref who T'd him walk away.  He didn't, he walked up to Barry to let him continue his tirade than T's him again.  Barry was on the court and did not seem to be ready to stop anytime soon.

As for the game result, it largely came down to: (1) MIT shot 25% from 3-PT range; they are averaging 42.6% for the season.  (2) Bill Johnson shot 1-7 for 7 pts, 4 rebs; in the previous meeting he shot 8-12 for 25 pts, 6 rebs.  MIT was also in foul trouble among all their front court players (at game's end: 5, 5, 5, 4 fouls).   

Lastly, I cannot believe that Craig Johnson collared Jimmy Bartolotta *again* on a breakaway layup in this game, violently sending him the floor.  He was called for an Intentional Foul, but not ejected.  In last year's NEWMAC tournament, Johnson did the same thing, and Bartolotta had to be taken out on a stretcher wearing a neck brace and spent the night in the hospital.  It is difficult to respect Craig Johnson as a player or the CGA basketball program for this nonsense. 
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: massd3fan on February 09, 2009, 08:34:24 am
Ah, that word ... assumption...  It is indeed a killer.

I "assumed" MIT would handle them on their home court.  I saw the score and boxscore on yesterday and was truly amazed. (Did not follow the game, due to a date with a hammer & chisel and about 6" of ice on the roof and some patches around the driveway & walkways).  It was a Saturday for the lower part of the conference, as Springfield beat Clark & Babson upset Wheaton.

It does sound like it was an exciting game though.  Seriously bad loss for MIT in their quest to win the regular season & host the tournament, but like WPI's loss a lack of good outside shooting and the disappearance of an inside game leads to disaster.

As we wind down the final two seeks, the lower half of the conference will have a lot to say about who is going to host the post-season.  Both of the top two teams got a serious slap across the face to not take anyone for granted.  Let's see if the message got through!

MIT - (7-2) 3 Games Left

   at Babson, WPI, Clark


WPI - (7-1) 4 Games Left

   at Springfield, at MIT, Wheaton, at Babson
   
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: nescac1 on February 10, 2009, 11:56:44 am
Wonder if MIT would have fouled it its coach hadn't been tossed -- that is the intelligent play and MIT is nothing if not intelligent ... 1.8 seconds left, you HAVE to foul -- even a less than stellar shooter at the college level probably has at least a 1/4 chance of hitting a 3, I figure the odds of making a free throw, corraling a rebound on the second, then hitting a shot to tie are maybe, what, 1/15, 1/20? 

In case MIT fans missed it, nice article on the Heritage trio:

http://williams.prestosports.com/sports/mbkb/2008-09/news/0210_Kevin_Snyder_profiled_with_two_HS_teammates
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: T990 on February 10, 2009, 10:13:11 pm
Babson home games are video webcast.  MIT at Babson WED 8PM.

http://secure.stretchinternet.com/demo/games.php?user=babson&o=cal_stamp&sd=today


Live Stats:

http://www3.babson.edu/livestats//mens_basketball/main.html


Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: golflax99 on February 12, 2009, 01:47:38 am
Huge win for Babson tonight. They grabbed an 11 point lead going into halftime and watched it slowly slip away. Then came the most exciting last minute of Basketball I've seen all year.

Norm De Silva hit two big free throws on a 1 and 1 with about 45 seconds left to put Babson up 66-64. MIT came down the court and couldn't find an open look until Bartolotta pulled up from the top of key, ATLEAST 25 feet out. With MIT up 67-66, Babson called a timeout... everyone seemed to know it would go to Zach Etten like it has all year. Babson set a double screen from him at the foul line and he popped out and hit one of the biggest three's all year for them. There were still 9 seconds left, but Etten played great D and popped it out of Bartolotta's hands. They got it back to him, but it wasn't a decent look as time expired.

Great game as Babson has won 4 out of 5 and improves to 4-5 in the NEWMAC. MIT falls to 7-3 in NEWMAC with the tough loss.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: massd3fan on February 12, 2009, 09:47:52 am
golflax99,

   Yes, a crushing defeat for MIT in regards to their hopes for the regular season title.  It would seem like they are opening the door and holding it open for WPI to take the crown & host the tournament.

   On the other hand, when i looked at the results of the WPI/Springfield game, it seems like WPI is not sure if they want to walk through that door!  They won a tight back & forth game, but this is the second game in a row against a sub .500 team that they hace really struggled to take control of the game.

   Springfield had their chances, many chances, to win the game.  Six turnovers in the final 4 plus minutes, with four of them on potential game tying possesions, killed them!

   WPI can now seal the #1 seed with a win at MIT on Saturday, but even a loss still leaves them with a game lead.  I'm guessing that MIT's only route now to the NCAA's is to win the tournament.  Their chances at an at large bid would seem very slim now.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on February 12, 2009, 11:18:23 am
I'm guessing that MIT's only route now to the NCAA's is to win the tournament.  Their chances at an at large bid would seem very slim now.

I would agree.  MIT needs to win the tourney now (because if they dont they will have at least one more loss in the tourney which will leave them with 8 overall and 6 in-region, which is very borderline) and they have a much better chance of winning the tourney if they host.  They first need to take care of business and beat WPI and then hope that WPI loses one of their two games next week (Wheaton at home or at Babson). 

If MIT wins on Saturday (and against Clark next week), it opens up some interesting tiebreaking scenarios. Obviously if WPI wins out or only loses to MIT, they get to host.

Case 1: If WPI loses to Wheaton and MIT (and MIT wins out)
MIT would host because the first pertinent tiebreaker is who did best against the best teams.  MIT beat Wheaton twice and WPI will have split with them if they lose next week.  Since Wheaton is currently the 3rd ranked team in the NEWMAC (behind WPI and MIT), the tiebreaker would go to MIT with their 2-0 series advantage against them. 

Case 2: WPI loses to Babson and MIT (and MIT wins out)
This would again depend on the final in conference rankings, but since WPI and MIT would then have idential records against Wheaton and Babson (teams 3 and 4 in conference).  If Clark is 5th (as they are currently), MIT would win the tiebreaker, because they would again be 2-0 and WPI would be 1-1 against Clark.  If CGA is ranked higher than Clark, WPI would win the tiebreaker because WPI is 2-0 against CGA and MIT is 1-1.

Case 3: WPI loses all 3 games (MIT loses to Clark)
In this case, if Wheaton wins all of their remaining games, they could also tie for first.  If Wheaton, MIT and WPI were all tied at 8-4, MIT would win the tiebreaker because WPI would have split with Wheaton but MIT is 2-0 against Wheaton.  If only WPI and MIT are tied, MIT would again win the tiebreaker, because MIT is 2-0 against Wheaton and WPI would be 1-1.

So in summary, MIT seems to be in better shape in terms of tiebreakers, but it is going to take a major slip-up by WPI to get to a tie.  MIT is going to have to win on Saturday and then hope that Wheaton or Babson can come up with an upset next week.  MIT wants Clark and Wheaton to do well and CGA and Babson to lose (with the exception of the Babson-WPI game, MIT wants Babson to win that one), to increase their chance in terms of tiebreakers.  WPI, on the other hand, just needs to win their games (they would be pulling for CGA and Babson, in terms of tiebreakers).
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: massd3fan on February 12, 2009, 11:54:05 am
Hugenerd,

   Lots & Lots of possibilities, no doubt.

   For the teams below WPI & MIT though, hope is growing into confidence.  Neither WPI or MIT is moving towards the post-seasom playing their best ball.  Given what we have seen in the past couple of weeks, would it really surprise anyone if someone other than WPI/MIT wins the tournament?

   Home court advantage did not help WPI in the past two years.  Mt bet is it's going to be and exciting set of games no matter who wins it.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on February 14, 2009, 03:35:47 pm
I wonder why Jimmy Bartolotta didnt play today against WPI?  MIT loses at home 72-55 without their All-American.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: deiscanton on February 14, 2009, 09:33:25 pm
I attended the WPI/MIT game today, and I was disappointed that Jimmy Bartolotta was not able to play today-- I was looking forward to seeing him.

I asked a few MIT fans at the game what happened, and from what I heard and as I understand it, Jimmy Bartolotta injured his foot/ankle in a late week practice.  Bartolotta was not in uniform as a precautionary result today-- but I hear that it is a minor injury and should not affect his ability to compete in the NEWMAC tournament.

I tried to look for you, Hugenerd, but I couldn't find you-- even though I asked around.  If you were at the game, I was wearing a red striped shirt with a pink ribbon pinned as part of the WBCA Pink Zone promotion and was carrying a blue Shaw's shopping bag with me.  I sat in the middle-- there were a lot of WPI fans who made the trip to MIT to make sure that the WPI Engineers could clinch the top seed in the NEWMAC tournament today.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: massd3fan on February 14, 2009, 11:19:06 pm
Hugenerd,

   I got to see the WPI/MIT game today.  My wife & I went to see a nephew of ours swim at the MIAA sectionals that took place at MT today and managed to talk her onto attending the basketball game as well.

   I was very disappointed not to see Barolotta play.  It was a tpugh go for MIT with olny 8 players in uniform.  They played hard, but fatigue got to them  in the second half.  Also it was obvious that without JB on the court, this team seriously struggles to make plays.  Billy Johnson had a huge advantage inside most of the game, but my observations were that MIT has not worked much at all on the thier low post entry passes (orthey are just not that good at making it).  There were a large number of turnovers/forced shots that occured as a result of not being able to get Johnson the ball in aposition he could be effective with it.

  WPI had control of the game but didnt really put it away until about 11 or 12 minutes to go the 2nd half.  Adam Lirette had a very good game for WPI along with Kirkland.  They got up early, but still seem to struggle with consistency on offense.  Just when it seemed like WPI would take the lead for 10 and bump it up, they would have a couple of bad possesions and MIT would cut the lead back to single diigits.

  Kudos to Billy Johnson & Jamie Karraker for hard-nosed effort today.  Karraker played the whole 40 minutes and put up 15 points.   Johnson held his poise very very well.  He worked hard at getting good position to take advantage of the mismatches (WPI's Lessard was in foul trouble and only played 4 minutes), and never seemed to get upset that his teammates could not get him the ball at the right time & spot.  Even with that, he had game hishs with 20 pts & 9 rbs.

   One thing is very clear, MIT is in serious trouble next year if some of the players who at the school do not come to the program, or they do not have an outstanding recruiting class.

   Well, WPI wil host the tournament and now the question is can they win it after letting it get away to CGA the past two years.  I still think MIT with a healthy JB can give a great game, and I like said in an earlier post, the lower seeds in the conference are playing better and gaining confidence.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on February 15, 2009, 10:26:42 am
I attended the WPI/MIT game today, and I was disappointed that Jimmy Bartolotta was not able to play today-- I was looking forward to seeing him.

I asked a few MIT fans at the game what happened, and from what I heard and as I understand it, Jimmy Bartolotta injured his foot/ankle in a late week practice.  Bartolotta was not in uniform as a precautionary result today-- but I hear that it is a minor injury and should not affect his ability to compete in the NEWMAC tournament.

I tried to look for you, Hugenerd, but I couldn't find you-- even though I asked around.  If you were at the game, I was wearing a red striped shirt with a pink ribbon pinned as part of the WBCA Pink Zone promotion and was carrying a blue Shaw's shopping bag with me.  I sat in the middle-- there were a lot of WPI fans who made the trip to MIT to make sure that the WPI Engineers could clinch the top seed in the NEWMAC tournament today.

Deis,

I wasnt at the game and I havent been at the last 3 games including the last 2 at home (which happen to be 3 losses for MIT, I was at 7 of the first 9 home games - all wins). I like to think of myself as a good luck charm ;)  I actually havent seen MIT lose this season in person and I have been to, I think, 9 or 10 games in all.

If I were there, I would be pretty easy to find, I am usually one of the most vocal supporters (and I sometimes wear some CMU basketball gear).  My wife is in a really difficult rotation in med school right now so I am basically taking care of our daughter by myself, so I had to prioritize and watching basketball games in person didnt make the cut.

It is good to hear that Jimmy isnt badly hurt, I have been out of the loop pretty much this whole month because I havent had any real free time other than to get onto this site for a few minutes here and there.  Even before the WPI game on Saturday, MIT had a pretty long shot at hosting so it is better that he is well rested for the tourney. I think MIT has clinched the #2 seed because the only other team that can get 7 wins is Wheaton and they are 2-0 against them.

By the way, it is too bad we didnt get to formally meet, but I know who you are (I played at Brandeis 4 times in my career and have seen you at games since I moved to Boston and I think you even made the trip to Pittsburgh a time or two when I was playing).  You may even recognize me if you saw me, but, alas, it wasnt meant to be.  Maybe we will see eachother next time. 
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on February 15, 2009, 10:39:19 am
Hugenerd,

   I got to see the WPI/MIT game today.  My wife & I went to see a nephew of ours swim at the MIAA sectionals that took place at MT today and managed to talk her onto attending the basketball game as well.

   I was very disappointed not to see Barolotta play.  It was a tpugh go for MIT with olny 8 players in uniform.  They played hard, but fatigue got to them  in the second half.  Also it was obvious that without JB on the court, this team seriously struggles to make plays.  Billy Johnson had a huge advantage inside most of the game, but my observations were that MIT has not worked much at all on the thier low post entry passes (orthey are just not that good at making it).  There were a large number of turnovers/forced shots that occured as a result of not being able to get Johnson the ball in aposition he could be effective with it.

  WPI had control of the game but didnt really put it away until about 11 or 12 minutes to go the 2nd half.  Adam Lirette had a very good game for WPI along with Kirkland.  They got up early, but still seem to struggle with consistency on offense.  Just when it seemed like WPI would take the lead for 10 and bump it up, they would have a couple of bad possesions and MIT would cut the lead back to single diigits.

  Kudos to Billy Johnson & Jamie Karraker for hard-nosed effort today.  Karraker played the whole 40 minutes and put up 15 points.   Johnson held his poise very very well.  He worked hard at getting good position to take advantage of the mismatches (WPI's Lessard was in foul trouble and only played 4 minutes), and never seemed to get upset that his teammates could not get him the ball at the right time & spot.  Even with that, he had game hishs with 20 pts & 9 rbs.

   One thing is very clear, MIT is in serious trouble next year if some of the players who at the school do not come to the program, or they do not have an outstanding recruiting class.

   Well, WPI wil host the tournament and now the question is can they win it after letting it get away to CGA the past two years.  I still think MIT with a healthy JB can give a great game, and I like said in an earlier post, the lower seeds in the conference are playing better and gaining confidence.

I am glad you could make it out for the game, I couldnt make it to the game for reasons outlined in my previous post. 

MIT is a different team without Bartolotta.  Even though Gampel is the point guard, and handles the ball most of the time, Bartolotta has the ball in his hands a lot and is a calming influence on the team.  He is really the only player on the team that rarely gets rattled.

In terms of post entry, I think it is a combination of two things.  First, since MIT has no real big men (anymore), I am sure there is some lack of practice with post entry.  Players may see something they think is open during the course of the game, but because they dont do that very often, things can go wrong.  Also, the players currently playing in the post have a different skill set than their starting 5 at the beginning of the season.  A pass that Dou could have jumped and caught is different than what the current players can handle, but they should be adjsuted to that by now.  Secondly, since none of their post players are true post players, in my opinion, they are not as comfortable coming to passing and catching the ball with their backs to the basket, which can also lead to turnovers.

In terms of the team next year,  Billy Johnson will be back for a 5th year due to medical redshirt.  They will also get back Daniel McCue, who was one of their top players last year, who has been out this year due to injury and surgery.  I also hear they have some talented kids coming in, but we will have to wait and see which of them end up still playing.  The biggest need for MIT will be another point guard (and they always need big men). With Gampel graduating, they only have Patrick Sissman and no one else that can really bring the ball up (with Bartolotta gone as well).  McCue will fill in for Bartolotta at the 3, Karraker will start at the 2 and Johnson will start at the 4 or 5.  The spots up for grabs will be the other 4/5 spot (likely starter from this years team is Erik Zuk) and the point guard position (with the likely starter there being Sissman). 
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 15, 2009, 05:38:56 pm
Jimmy Bartolotta will be a guest on Hoopsville tonight. Expect to hear him in the 6 p.m. ET hour:

http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/tunein.php
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on February 15, 2009, 05:43:18 pm
Thanks Pat.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 15, 2009, 05:55:40 pm
Actually... Jimmy will be on in the 7pm hour! :)
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 15, 2009, 06:02:53 pm
Guess I misread Dave when he said, "yes - he will be on in the second half hour." :)
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on February 18, 2009, 11:55:53 am
Senior night tonight at MIT, as they host Clark starting @ 6:00.  Seniors include Jimmy Bartolotta, Brad Gampel, and Will Johnson.  If anyone is making it out there tonight, please do share your thoughts.  I cant make it, although I would really like to be there (I'm alone with my daughter).  Hope the guys can turn the mini-skid around.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 18, 2009, 03:46:39 pm
Regional rankings are out:

http://d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2009/02/18/ncaa-regional-rankings-week-2-3/
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on February 18, 2009, 04:28:29 pm
Wow, WPI back at #1.

Thanks Pat.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on February 18, 2009, 06:55:38 pm
MIT up 51-40 at the half.  Billy Johnson has like 24 points (not sure of the exact number).  Bartolotta has 9 points (4-6 FG), 8 rebounds, and 2 blocks.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on February 18, 2009, 07:20:36 pm
MIT up by 20 with under 8 minutes to go.  Billy Johnson has 39 points.  Looks like Jimmy Bartolotta's single game scoring record of 43 is in jeopardy.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on February 18, 2009, 07:48:42 pm
MIT wins 97-89.  Johnson ended up with 40, only the 4th player in MIT history to score 40 or more in a game.  Bartolotta had 22 points and 15 boards.  Brad Gampel had his season high in scoring with 18 points and 11 assists.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on February 18, 2009, 08:19:16 pm
Also congrats to Brad Gampel on breaking the season assist mark.  His 11 assists tonight gives him 170 on the season, breaking Danny Kanamori's old mark of 169.

Gampel is also 5 steals from tying the single season mark for steals.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on February 18, 2009, 09:28:16 pm
After tonight's action, there are only 2 teams left with winning records and 4 teams at 4-7:

WPI 10-1
MIT 8-4

Wheaton 5-6

Babson 4-7
CGA 4-7
Clark 4-7
Springfield 4-7


This is going to be a mess figuring out tiebreakers.  Clark split with all the other 4-7 teams. Babson was swept by Springfield and split with the other two. CGA split with Babson and Clark and won the first meeting with Springfield (they play at CGA on saturday). Spriingfield split with Clark, swept Babson, but lost the first meeting to CGA. 

So currently, according to the tiebreaker criteria, the record among tied teams are: Babson 2-4, CGA 3-2, Clark 3-3, Springfield 3-2.  So the current order would be CGA (leads head to head 1-0 over Springfield), Springfield, Clark, and Babson.  Wheaton controls their own destiny in terms of hosting a game. Clark is also in pretty good shape with a win.  If they beat Wheaton, and CGA wins, there will be a 3 way tie for 3rd at 5-7 (or 4 way if Babson beats WPI).  It looks like Clark would get the 3 seed because of the third tiebreaker, with the win over WPI.  I am not going to go through every scenario because there are quite a few, there may be a scenario where almost any of the bottom 5 teams can be seeded 3-7 depending on saturdays results.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: BornBalla on February 19, 2009, 01:40:56 pm
Need some help figuring out how regional poll is determined. How is Middlebury #2 this week & UMD #6 when Middlebury lost to last weeks #8 and UMD Lost to last weeks #5 regionally ranked team? How does WPI vault from #4 to #1 and how does Elms stay at #3? I'm sure there is some "logical" explanation. Just trying to figure it out cuz it doesn't make much sense. Also, how is Brandeis even in TOP10 with that many losses?

HELP!
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on February 19, 2009, 02:19:33 pm
Need some help figuring out how regional poll is determined. How is Middlebury #2 this week & UMD #6 when Middlebury lost to last weeks #8 and UMD Lost to last weeks #5 regionally ranked team? How does WPI vault from #4 to #1 and how does Elms stay at #3? I'm sure there is some "logical" explanation. Just trying to figure it out cuz it doesn't make much sense. Also, how is Brandeis even in TOP10 with that many losses?

HELP!

WPI is a question mark for me, considering they lost at home to Elms by 16.  Middlebury dropping a spot is not unreasonable.  I dont have much of an issue with the poll, other than maybe switiching Elms and WPI.   UMD makes some sense, they lost to RIC, so RIC moved ahead of them and they dropped. Amherst did not move up because they lost to Williams and have a horrible strength of schedule. 

As for Brandeis, it seems like they have a lot of losses, but you have to consider who they are against:  They have 2 "in-region" losses to WashU who is one of the top 2 teams in the country, they have a loss to #1 NE WPI, a loss to #6 NE UMD, and #4 in the East Rochester.  They also have been pretty good in their last 19 games (14-5) after losing the first 3.  Couple that with the fact they have a 14 point win over RIC (#4 in NE), a 15 point win at Amherst (#8 in NE), two wins over CMU (#3 in the great lakes), and a win over Rochester (#4 in the East) and they have a decent resume.  They have 3 "bad" losses that will hurt them: Lasell (I know they are 17-7 but still they arent ranked in NE), Framingham State, and at Chicago.  I think they move ahead of UNE this week (they should take care of Emory and Case Western at home) and I would also put them ahead of Amherst since they beat them pretty badly at their place (especially if Amherst slips up in the NESCAC tourney).  They could potentially be ranked as high as #7 on selection Sunday if Salem State loses their tourney.  If WPI, Middlebury, RIC or UMD, and Bridgewater wins their tourney (and Elms gets the Pool B), they could be second team under consideration out of the NE on selection sunday (behind UMD or RIC).  They will also likely finish 2nd in the UAA (if they win out, CMU still has to play WashU and Rochester, Brandeis has the 3 worst teams in the conference remaining), which could help them because it is a pretty strong national conference. Dont forget that Brandeis also has extremely high OWP and OOWP numbers (.623 and .538).  In fact, Brandeis has the highest OWP in the country at 0.623 by almost a full 0.02 (which is a pretty significant amount), meaning they have played the toughest schedule in d3. It will be interesting to see what happens.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: BornBalla on February 19, 2009, 04:43:32 pm
Hugenerd

Thanks. makes some more sense. Still can't get past some high % of losses for Brandeis or WPI jump though
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on February 19, 2009, 08:19:01 pm
Brandeis does have alot of losses, but they have played a lot of really good teams.  Their OWP shows this (which is a primary NCAA selection committee), as it is the highest in the country.  The way I look at it is, if Brandeis would have played Amhert's schedule, what kind of record would they have?  I think Brandeis would probably only have 4 or 5 losses, and they showed this by beating Amherst by 15 on the road.  In my opinion, Amherst is over ranked.  Wheaton (IL) made it last year with 7 losses, Brandeis has a slight chance to be the first to make it with 8.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 20, 2009, 11:17:31 pm

Brandeis still has an outside shot to make the NCAA tourney with that record.  They have no conference tournament, so they'll move up the rankings a little with losses from teams above them.  Plus, if the teams above them all get automatic bids, they'll be on the table for Pool C selection early, where their OWP and OOWP numbers will look really good.

They've got a strong team and they've been playing better of late.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: BornBalla on February 21, 2009, 07:53:49 am
If Brandeis goes 17-8 and the conference leaders all win conferences, there would still be 4 teams ahead in the reg poll if I am correct. Now I believe BSC lost to SSC so they may fall some and after what happened to UMD falling so far & WPI leaping so far I guess Brandeis could end up anywhere. I'll say this after seeing Brandeis vs Emory, if they get in tourney they could be a real problem for teams especially with good matchups. I assume if they get in they will play a higher seed based on record and they could upset top teams(not sure it would really be an upset). They have some brute forwards in terms of bulk/strength.Their 3pt shooting is ridiculous(not last night but based on season stats) so they can space court to get to forwards inside. Some teams in NE and E regions are hoping they lose one of last two.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on February 21, 2009, 09:12:41 am
If Brandeis goes 17-8 and the conference leaders all win conferences, there would still be 4 teams ahead in the reg poll if I am correct. Now I believe BSC lost to SSC so they may fall some and after what happened to UMD falling so far & WPI leaping so far I guess Brandeis could end up anywhere. I'll say this after seeing Brandeis vs Emory, if they get in tourney they could be a real problem for teams especially with good matchups. I assume if they get in they will play a higher seed based on record and they could upset top teams(not sure it would really be an upset). They have some brute forwards in terms of bulk/strength.Their 3pt shooting is ridiculous(not last night but based on season stats) so they can space court to get to forwards inside. Some teams in NE and E regions are hoping they lose one of last two.

There would be 4 ahead of them if the poll doesnt change, but since UNE already lost and I think they will evntually end up ranked higher than Amherst (Brandeis has the head-to-head and much higher OWP), Brandeis could feasibly be ranked 2nd or 3rd in region at the end of the season(depending on what Salem State does) if the teams ahead of them hold their conference tourneys (WPI, Middlebury, UMD or RIC, and Bridgewater).  Elms already has a lock on a Pool B bid.  If nothing else, Brandeis might end up dragging CMU out of the tourney with them, because Brandeis swept the season series 2-0 versus CMU (CMU now has 5 region losses in the great lakes, 2 to WashU, 2 to Brandeis, and 1 to Case Western, plus their loss to Richard Stockton).
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on February 21, 2009, 05:06:24 pm
With today's results, I believe the final rankings for the tourney will be

1. WPI 11-1
2. MIT 8-4
3. Wheaton 6-6
4. Springfield 5-7

Note:  All 3 of the bottom teams tied at 4-8 and all 3 teams split against eachother.  Therefore, I believe (but may be wrong) that the third tiebreaker comes in, which is who beat the best team in the league during the regular season

5. Clark (beat WPI, CGA and Babson swept by WPI
6. Babson (split with MIT, split with Wheaton)
7. CGA (split with MIT, swept by Wheaton)

So the first round matchups (assuming I am correct, but thats not a given) will be MIT hosting CGA, Wheaton hosting Babson, and Springfield hosting Clark.  Winner of Springfield/Clark will play WPI in the semis and the winner of MIT/CGA will play the winner of Wheaton/Babson in the other Semi.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: T990 on February 22, 2009, 12:20:05 am
hugenerd, the official NEWMAC web site concurs.

http://www.newmacsports.com/sports/mbkb/championships/index
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on February 22, 2009, 09:20:57 am
Should be a fun tourney.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: BornBalla on February 22, 2009, 01:13:09 pm
What are the odds of WPI losing the tourney this year? Slim to none, 50/50 . or very possible? Seems like they are playing some good def and getting good off production. Also, anyone know that site that had projections of teams in the tourney and first round matchups.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on February 23, 2009, 04:05:35 pm
Im not sure of the site, you might want to check some of the multiregional boards a few weeks back. 

I would say WPI is the favorite, but by how much, I think it matters on a bunch of things.  Obviously they are hosting and that will help them.  I think there are other teams with a good shot, but no other team is as deep as them (so other teams are much more susceptible to things like foul trouble).  They will be in the tourney regardless.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: massd3fan on February 23, 2009, 05:11:59 pm
Hugenerd,

   I agree with your assessment of WPI's depth  My wife is a graduate of Babson and a breast cancer survivor.  We went to the Babson-WPI game on Saturday.  It was senior day at Babson at as well as their Pink Zone event to raise money for cancer research.  We were glad to attend and donate some money to a very, very worthy casue!

   This was also a chance to watch the brothers' Etten battle each other. Zach Etten (according to the annoucer, he is the #13 all-time scorer at Babson) scored 10 in his final regular season game at Babson, but struggled shooting only 3 for 12.  WPI's defense was extremely impressive with rentless pressure from tip off til the final seconds.  This was much, much more intense than the other times I saw them play.  They do have depth that I had not seen in the other outings I had been to.

Their #1 big man, Lessard, did not play.  I am not sure why not, but my guess would be illness.  The other big man (6'7") they carry, Carr, played quite well.  He has not played much and wears a knee brace.  My understanding from asking a WPI supporter is that he had a knee injury last year.  It certainly didn't seem to bother him at all.  He neutralized any attempt Babson tried at a low post game when he was in the game and he was, as the case was for ALL the WPI players, defending all over the court.

The offensive star of this game was another WPI freshman, Fernando Perez.  I had to check the box score when I got home to be sure, but he did put up a double-double with 19 points & 11 bounds.  He has a real nose for the ball.  He is undersized, but makes the most of what he has.  They also got a fine offensive outting from Jeff Robinson who hit 5 of 7 shots for 13 points.

I dont see anyone beating them in the conference tournament if they play this kind of defense.  Babson had very, very few uncontested shots.  Ben Etten played a tremendous defensive game as did others who at times guarded his brother.  Even the 3's were being strongly challenged as Babson made one of only 8 attempts!  They average 13 attempts per game.  Coach Bartley just kept  tosssing fresh bodies at them the entire game.

I did notice in the write up on the game, that this WPI senior class has set the standard for a 4-yr career in the NEWMAC.  A 42-6 record over their four years.   That is a great feat in any conference. My bet is WPI really wants to see Clark in the semi-finals to avenge their only conference loss.

Good luck to all the teams in the upcoming tournament.  (if Babson wins at Wheaton, perhaps I can convince my wife to go to the semis on saturday.)

Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on February 23, 2009, 06:38:54 pm
Hugenerd,

   I agree with your assessment of WPI's depth  My wife is a graduate of Babson and a breast cancer survivor.  We went to the Babson-WPI game on Saturday.  It was senior day at Babson at as well as their Pink Zone event to raise money for cancer research.  We were glad to attend and donate some money to a very, very worthy casue!

Definitely a worthy cause.  My mom is a survivor also.

I look forward to the tourney.  I think MIT has a chance if they can get by CGA.  They have the two best scorers in the league this year (in NEWMAC play) and they have a few other guys who are very capable of making shots.  If they shoot like they have in the past and their big 2 stay out of foul trouble, MIT has a good chance against anyone.  In their first loss to WPI, Bartolotta had 4 fouls in the first half and he didnt play in the second game. If he stays out of foul trouble like he usually does, Johnson's shot is falling like against Clark, and Gampel is taking care of the ball, I like their chances.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on February 23, 2009, 07:02:08 pm
WPI re-enters the rankings at 23 this week.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: T990 on February 23, 2009, 08:50:59 pm
The team you have to mention is Coast Guard.  They've won the last 2 NEWMAC tournaments (both at WPI).  Two years ago, they won it coming from the last seed, having gone 2-10 in the NEWMAC that year.  CGA still has one of the academy's all time players in Craig Johnson.  I don't see how that roster finished last in the league this year myself.

I believe WPI has been the first seed for 6 straight years, and their only losses in the last 4 tournaments were the 2 recent games to CGA.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on February 23, 2009, 09:29:46 pm
The team you have to mention is Coast Guard.  They've won the last 2 NEWMAC tournaments (both at WPI).  Two years ago, they won it coming from the last seed, having gone 2-10 in the NEWMAC that year.  CGA still has one of the academy's all time players in Craig Johnson.  I don't see how that roster finished last in the league this year myself.

I believe WPI has been the first seed for 6 straight years, and their only losses in the last 4 tournaments were the 2 recent games to CGA.

Hugenerd,

   I agree with your assessment of WPI's depth  My wife is a graduate of Babson and a breast cancer survivor.  We went to the Babson-WPI game on Saturday.  It was senior day at Babson at as well as their Pink Zone event to raise money for cancer research.  We were glad to attend and donate some money to a very, very worthy casue!

Definitely a worthy cause.  My mom is a survivor also.

I look forward to the tourney.  I think MIT has a chance if they can get by CGA.  They have the two best scorers in the league this year (in NEWMAC play) and they have a few other guys who are very capable of making shots.  If they shoot like they have in the past and their big 2 stay out of foul trouble, MIT has a good chance against anyone.  In their first loss to WPI, Bartolotta had 4 fouls in the first half and he didnt play in the second game. If he stays out of foul trouble like he usually does, Johnson's shot is falling like against Clark, and Gampel is taking care of the ball, I like their chances.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: massd3fan on February 24, 2009, 08:03:17 am
T990,

   Those two Coast Guard teams have a significant difference from this one.  This team does not have Al Sowers, Grant Johnson, Jeff Prebeck & Steve Blum!  Those four players were the key comonents to the two NEWMAC tournament wins over WPI.

   I fully agree with Hugenerd.  MIT offers the most significant challenge.  I think a WPI/MIT title game would be interesting on virtually level.  Best player in the league trying to get to the NCAA's, WPI's speed & depth Vs the top two scorers in the conference & perhaps the most critical is MIT's ability to handle WPI's pressure defense.  As he said, there are some big "ifs" that all have to break the right way for MIT to win.

   That said, the MIT/CGA game tomorrow should be a great game as well.  I hope to be near a computer to follow the game.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: atn alum on February 24, 2009, 10:15:10 am
and on that note, both schools are broadcasting the game

Coast Guard's feed
http://sportsjuice.com

MIT's feed
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/mit-basketball


Springfield-Clark is a livestats deal
http://winus.spfldcol.edu/sports/xlive.htm

Wheaton-Babson has audio and livestats

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/wheaton-athletics
http://frontier.wheatoncollege.edu/athletics/live/main.htm
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: T990 on February 24, 2009, 12:09:13 pm
massd3fan, agreed.  Last year's CGA team was an overtime loss on Ursinus' home court from going to the NCAA Final 4.  This year, MIT does have a senior dominated roster. 

atnwriter: Thanks for those links!
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: nescac1 on February 24, 2009, 01:01:22 pm
No surprise, Bartolotta a Josten's finalist.  If offered odds on him vs. the field to win, I'd go with him ... not every day one of the top 2-3 players in the country is a strong student at MIT ...
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on February 24, 2009, 01:06:48 pm
No surprise, Bartolotta a Josten's finalist.  If offered odds on him vs. the field to win, I'd go with him ... not every day one of the top 2-3 players in the country is a strong student at MIT ...

I would have to agree.  Kent Raymond was also a finalist last year, so my guess would be definitely one of those two, but most likely JB.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on February 24, 2009, 01:17:11 pm
massd3fan, agreed.  Last year's CGA team was an overtime loss on Ursinus' home court from going to the NCAA Final 4.  This year, MIT does have a senior dominated roster. 

atnwriter: Thanks for those links!

I am hoping for a clean game this year.  Two of the last three meetings between CGA and MIT have resulted in CGA committing a flagrant foul on Jimmy Bartolotta (both being takedowns on breakaways), and in last year's conference tourney that foul resulted in Bartolotta being hospitalized overnight.  There is more to the game then just winning and you would hope that the players would share some mutual respect at this point in their careers.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on February 24, 2009, 06:33:47 pm
Billy Johnson is named NEWMAC player of the week for the last week of the regular season for his 40 point effort vs. Clark.

http://www.newmacsports.com/sports/mbkb/awards/weekly/2008-2009/mbkbweekly02232009
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: massd3fan on February 25, 2009, 03:12:51 pm
Looks like the final NCAA Regional Rankings are out!

Northeast Region Overall Record In-Region Record
1. Worcester Polytechnic       20-4   20-3
2. Middlebury                         22-3   20-2
3. Elms                                   24-1   23-1
4. Rhode Island College         21-4   21-4
5. Massachusetts-Dartmouth 22-3   20-3
6. Salem State                        20-5   19-5
7. Bridgewater State              18-6   17-4
8. Brandeis                             16-8   16-8
9. Amherst                              20-5   18-5
10. Bowdoin                           17-8   17-8

Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on February 25, 2009, 03:24:03 pm
Looks like the final NCAA Regional Rankings are out!

Northeast Region Overall Record In-Region Record
1. Worcester Polytechnic       20-4   20-3
2. Middlebury                         22-3   20-2
3. Elms                                   24-1   23-1
4. Rhode Island College         21-4   21-4
5. Massachusetts-Dartmouth 22-3   20-3
6. Salem State                        20-5   19-5
7. Bridgewater State              18-6   17-4
8. Brandeis                             16-8   16-8
9. Amherst                              20-5   18-5
10. Bowdoin                           17-8   17-8



Yep, still confused about Elms not being #1 (considering they beat WPI by 16).  However, I am glad to see the committee rewarded Brandeis' tough schedule by moving them up to #8.  Amherst may have 3 less losses but they have a very weak out of conference schedule this year and they lost at home to Brandeis.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: massd3fan on February 25, 2009, 03:44:11 pm
Guessing on my part, but I would say the OWP/OOWP probaly carried a lot of weight.

Feb 20 numbers:

OWP
Rank     School             W-L  PCT  OWP OOWP
16   Worcester Polytech    19-3 .864 .582 .542
133  Middlebury               19-2 .905 .517 .518
355  Elms                       22-1 .957 .446 .485
46   Rhode Island College  20-4 .833 .553 .526
128  Mass-Dartmouth       19-3 .864 .519 .530
32   Salem State             18-5 .783 .562 .525
64   Bridgewater State     16-4 .800 .541 .533
5    Brandeis                  15-8 .652 .602 .540
94   Amherst                 17-5 .773 .531 .545
19   Bowdoin                 16-8 .667 .579 .523

I hope this looks better when it posts, than it does right now - LOL
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on February 25, 2009, 03:46:10 pm
Guessing on my part, but I would say the OWP/OOWP probaly carried a lot of weight.

Feb 20 numbers:

OWP
Rank     School             W-L  PCT  OWP OOWP
16   Worcester Polytech    19-3 .864 .582 .542
133  Middlebury               19-2 .905 .517 .518
355  Elms                        22-1 .957 .446 .485
46   Rhode Island College  20-4 .833 .553 .526
128  Mass-Dartmouth       19-3 .864 .519 .530
32   Salem State           18-5 .783 .562 .525
64   Bridgewater State     16-4 .800 .541 .533
5    Brandeis              15-8 .652 .602 .540
94   Amherst               17-5 .773 .531 .545
19   Bowdoin               16-8 .667 .579 .523

I hope this looks better when it posts, than it does right now - LOL

I'd guess so, and the head-to-head is also a primary criteria.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: BornBalla on February 25, 2009, 03:54:17 pm
I can see why those teams are ranked above Elms based on owp/oowp. But it's strange how WPI was ranked below them one week(following a loss) then jumps them the next. The week before WPI went to #4 Elms was #4 so Elms was bumped up after WPI lost then jumped over the following week. The chain of events is still so confusing. How do regional voters work to make their decisions? Still see UMD dropping so far last week as strange too.

By the way owp/oowp numbers run, why is Elms ranked so high then? Shearly off the overall winning %?
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on February 25, 2009, 04:02:50 pm
I can see why those teams are ranked above Elms based on owp/oowp. But it's strange how WPI was ranked below them one week(following a loss) then jumps them the next. The week before WPI went to #4 Elms was #4 so Elms was bumped up after WPI lost then jumped over the following week. The chain of events is still so confusing. How do regional voters work to make their decisions? Still see UMD dropping so far last week as strange too.

By the way owp/oowp numbers run, why is Elms ranked so high then? Shearly off the overall winning %?

Obviously their record is helping them, but in addition to that they have the big win at WPI, plus a few other decent out-of-conference wins (Trinity, Westfield, Springfield).  To be honest, it doesnt really matter because regardless of their ranking they are going to get a Pool B bid to the tourney so it wont hurt anyone's Pool C hopes if they are upset in the NECC tourney (if there is one, I am not sure if there is).  NECC doesnt get an AQ.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: massd3fan on February 25, 2009, 04:04:23 pm
BornBalla,

I wish I had more insight into this, but alas all I can do is speculate!

Hugenerd, Pat, etc....anyone have a better handle on how these rankings are decided?

Also, what criteria get applied when the NCAA decides on who the host schools are for the tournament?
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on February 25, 2009, 04:06:42 pm
BornBalla,

I wish I had more insight into this, but alas all I can do is speculate!

Hugenerd, Pat, etc....anyone have a better handle on how these rankings are decided?

Also, what criteria get applied when the NCAA decides on who the host schools are for the tournament?

Also, according to Elms' coach, when he appeared on Hoopsville, they are not going to be hosting, but I guess you never know until the sites are announced.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: massd3fan on February 25, 2009, 04:11:18 pm
From what a couple of WPI supporters told me over the weekend, WPI's gym is used for the Mass. HS tournaments so I don't think they can host at the school.  I am not sure if using the DCU center in Worcester is a possibilty or not.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on February 25, 2009, 04:15:43 pm
From what a couple of WPI supporters told me over the weekend, WPI's gym is used for the Mass. HS tournaments so I don't think they can host at the school.  I am not sure if using the DCU center in Worcester is a possibilty or not.

I guess they could give the hosting gig to WPI and then say Elms is the #1 seed.  I think I heard of similar instances in the past (where a team had to wear road uniforms in their own gym), although I forget which board I read that on.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: massd3fan on February 25, 2009, 04:26:10 pm
Well, I am offline until later tonight.  Will you be attending the Game at MIT tonight, Hugenerd?  If so, Enjoy!!!  If not, i thought i did see a video link for it on the D3Hoops homepage.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on February 25, 2009, 06:09:26 pm
Likely I wont be able to because of family commitments.  I dont mean to burst your bubble, but I think the video link might just be the MIT audio link, but I could be wrong (MIT has never had video in the past).
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on February 25, 2009, 07:41:47 pm
MIT up 34-27 at the half.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on February 25, 2009, 08:40:45 pm
Billy Bender of all people hits the game tying shot with under 5 seconds left.  Going to OT in Cambridge.

MIT trailed by as many as 7 late in the second half but big 3s by Karraker, Billy Johnson, and then 3 FTs by Bartolotta after being fouled on a 3 tied the game.  Jevon James hit 2 FTs to give CGA the lead with under a minute left but Bender tied it with his last second 12 footer.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on February 25, 2009, 08:55:29 pm
Looks like MIT might actually pull this one out.  MIT was up by 3 with under 10 seconds left and elected to foul this time (perhaps learning from past mistakes).  Hudson missed both FTs, but CGA was able to rebound, Hudson missed the resulting 3, but Bartolotta rebounded, was fouled, and made the first of two, sealing it for MIT.

Final: MIT 66, CGA 62 in OT
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on February 25, 2009, 09:00:46 pm
Bartolotta 21 points (but a dismal shooting night, worst on the year, shooting 5-19 from the field), 12 rebounds, 5 blocks, 2 assists, 3 steals, and only 1 turnover.  Bartolotta really made up for it on the defensive end though, grabbing 10 defensive boards and blocking, what I believe is a career high, 5 shots (including one at the end of OT on Craig Johnson).

Brad Gampel played oustanding at the point, adding 9 assists to his Institute record single-season assist total, while committing not a single turnover.  Jamie Karraker really stepped up with some big play down the stretch and finished with 15 points.  Billy Johnson added 16 points and 8 boards, while Billy Bender had 8 and 4.

Craig Johnson had 19 points and 14 rebounds. Jevon James had 11 and 10, while Trip Fernandez chipped in 11 points off the bench.

Uncharacterestically, MIT shot 9-33 from 3 for the game (2-15 in the second half). No one really shot well for MIT, except Billy Bender who was 3-5 and made that huge shot to tie it at the end of regulation.  MIT was fortunate they took care of the ball so well today, or else they easily could have dropped this one.  The difference was FT shooting, MIT was 15-19 while CGA shot 10-20.  Both teams didnt shoot that great and CGA had the advantage on the boards, but MIT made their FTs down the stretch (along with a few timely 3s) and were able to squeze out a victory. 

If the game had gone to another OT, MIT was in real trouble because all 3 of their seniors had 4 fouls (Gampel, Johnson and Bartolotta).
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on February 25, 2009, 09:48:01 pm
Babson and Springfield also won in other action.

Limeup for Saturday (both games at WPI):

Babson vs. MIT

Springfield vs. WPI
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on February 25, 2009, 11:31:44 pm
Here is the press release from ESPN/CoSida:

http://www.cosida.com/documents/2009/2/25/2008-09MBBAAATeams.pdf

Bartolotta was named the Academic All-America of the Year today.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 26, 2009, 06:27:58 am
From what a couple of WPI supporters told me over the weekend, WPI's gym is used for the Mass. HS tournaments so I don't think they can host at the school.  I am not sure if using the DCU center in Worcester is a possibilty or not.

I guess they could give the hosting gig to WPI and then say Elms is the #1 seed.  I think I heard of similar instances in the past (where a team had to wear road uniforms in their own gym), although I forget which board I read that on.
You heard that from me, hugenerd. It was in the women's tournament about 15 years ago that I was working.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: nescac1 on February 26, 2009, 07:20:27 am
This is really odd -- I see Babson no longer has a guy on their roster, Papalambros, who was a key contributor early in the season.  What is stranger is that his stats are not included in the team stats ...

http://babsonathletics.com/sports/m-baskbl/2008-09/stats/teamcume.htm

I imagine he is no longer on the team, but is it customary to simply erase stats from a player because of that?  I have NEVER heard of that before ... for example MIT still has Soumare's stats listed ...

P.S. glad to see MIT learned to play the odds and foul up 3 ... I mean if MIT won't do the statistically correct thing, who will?  Now all we need is some smart, fearless D-III football coach to totally forego punting other than when he is inside his own 25 yard line or has longer than a 4th and 8 or so ...
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 26, 2009, 11:18:28 am
I imagine he is no longer on the team, but is it customary to simply erase stats from a player because of that?  I have NEVER heard of that before ... for example MIT still has Soumare's stats listed ...

I wouldn't say it's customary but I've certainly seen it happen before.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on February 26, 2009, 11:22:30 am
This is really odd -- I see Babson no longer has a guy on their roster, Papalambros, who was a key contributor early in the season.  What is stranger is that his stats are not included in the team stats ...

http://babsonathletics.com/sports/m-baskbl/2008-09/stats/teamcume.htm

I imagine he is no longer on the team, but is it customary to simply erase stats from a player because of that?  I have NEVER heard of that before ... for example MIT still has Soumare's stats listed ...

P.S. glad to see MIT learned to play the odds and foul up 3 ... I mean if MIT won't do the statistically correct thing, who will?  Now all we need is some smart, fearless D-III football coach to totally forego punting other than when he is inside his own 25 yard line or has longer than a 4th and 8 or so ...

Yeah, it seems pretty odd to complete expunge somebody from the system, especially since he is still listed on the NEWMAC site (he must have really upset somebody in the program):

http://www.newmacsports.com/sports/mbkb/2008-09/stats/confldrs.htm

Also, the foul at the end of the game may not have been coach mandated, but rather a head's up play from the player.  From what I hear, the MIT defender was aware that he was guarding a bad free throw shooter, but only fouled when he was beaten off the dribble.  So rather than give up an easy 2 he forced him to take 2 FTs, which kind of worked for MIT (he missed both FTs, but CGA got the rebound, but they luckily missed the resulting 3 attempt).  Coach Anderson is a pretty traditional coach so I am sure he would have told his players to play solid D, and 8 seconds left is still a pretty long time to foul intentionally (the usual rule of thumb is under 5 seconds).  Hopefully MIT can continue their season with another win on Saturday versus Babson.  The last game was close and came down to a last second shot for Babson to win at home.  Babson wont have the home court this time and im hoping MIT will shoot a little better than 27% from 3, as they were against CGA (MIT was actually 20% from 3, 6-29, through the first 37.5 minutes of the game, but were 3-4 in the final 7.5 minutes to help them pull out the win).
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: massd3fan on February 26, 2009, 12:12:44 pm
Hugenerd,
   
   Congrads to MIT, they certainly gave everyone their money's worth!

Also a quick salute to Craig Johnson.  The end of an outstanding career at CGA.

It seems like last night was a night for a couple of freshmen to bail out their senior leaders!  Bender with his clutch bucket to send the MIT game into OT.  Kris Noonan put up 20 against Wheaton on a bad shooting night for Zach Etten.

I didnt have the correct video program to get the MIT/CGA game, so I just had live stats up on the Babson/Wheaton & Springfield/Clark games.  I sort of followed the games as I was also organizing all our tax forms and other relevant documents for the accountant.  As depressing as that was, I was glad to see a couple of exciting games going on.

I am looking forward to a WPI/MIT matchup on Sunday, but both teams had better seriously focus on Saturday.  If they look past the semis, they might be watching the finals instead of playing in them!
 
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: atn alum on February 26, 2009, 03:21:22 pm
Audio webcast of both NEWMAC semis and the title game will be available at

http://sportsjuice.com

We'll have a few interviews as well, including a nice one with Jimmy Bartolotta that we'll play in between the 2 games, and probably at half of the MIT game too.

Feel free to email the broadcaster during the game: cgbears2008(at)aol.com
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on February 28, 2009, 08:48:08 pm
NICEEEEE!

What a great day of hoops, that I missed completely!  (It was my daughter's second birthday yesterday so this weekend is hectic).

First off, Springfield beats WPI to start off the NEWMAC Semis (by 15 nonetheless), and then MIT beats Babson after trailing by 5 with under 8 minutes to go and their best player being held to a season low 13 points.

Another Pool C bid gone for somebody, but I am sure MIT and Springfield don't care. 

One concern for MIT will likely be that they have had their two worst 3-point shooting (and possibly overall shooting) games of the season the last two games.  Additionally, their best two offensive players have not played that well in that span either.  However, a bright spot, again, was Brad Gampel with 9 points, 4 assists, and 8 steals.  Jamie Karraker also played great, shooting 4 for 6 from 3.


Congrats to Brad Gampel for breaking the single-season steals record at MIT, to go along with the assists record he broke earlier in the season.


Good Luck tomorrow MIT!!!!    I wont be able to watch or listen (daughter's birthday party) but I am pulling for you guys to get it done.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: BornBalla on March 01, 2009, 08:44:42 am
Does Springfield have a chance to beat MIT? What happened in WPI/Springfield game? Looks like WPI could not shoot at all. By the looks, I would be lead to believe that Springfield played a zone(WPI tons of 3's).
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: T990 on March 01, 2009, 10:23:01 am
Springfield has been playing better and better as the season goes along.  They played a 2-3 zone the whole game vs WPI.  Surprisingly in their own gym, WPI couldn't make shots.  They shot just 23% FG% and 21% 3PFG% for the game.  SC played poised throughout the game and did not get rattled by WPI's aggressive defensive style.  Cavalieri was their best offensive force and Crean and Coburn were also factors, all with height advantange over WPI.
The book on WPI in the NCAA obviously will be to play a zone on them.

In the second game, scoring was like pulling teeth for both teams.  Babson only scored 39 points in the whole game!  MIT's outside shooting has been uncharacteristically off for a couple games now, but they had enough options to gut this out.  BTW both schools brought a fan bus of students to this game.  The lower section for both schools STOOD for the whole game.  It was quite an atmosphere.  The MIT fans celebrated a tough victory with the players on the court after the game.

It will be interesting to see if SC is better off keeping with that zone or not vs MIT today.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on March 01, 2009, 03:24:58 pm
MIT up 35-26 at the half.  Bartolotta has 21 points on 6-12 shooting.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on March 01, 2009, 03:46:10 pm
Springfield has been playing better and better as the season goes along.  They played a 2-3 zone the whole game vs WPI.  Surprisingly in their own gym, WPI couldn't make shots.  They shot just 23% FG% and 21% 3PFG% for the game.  SC played poised throughout the game and did not get rattled by WPI's aggressive defensive style.  Cavalieri was their best offensive force and Crean and Coburn were also factors, all with height advantange over WPI.
The book on WPI in the NCAA obviously will be to play a zone on them.

In the second game, scoring was like pulling teeth for both teams.  Babson only scored 39 points in the whole game!  MIT's outside shooting has been uncharacteristically off for a couple games now, but they had enough options to gut this out.  BTW both schools brought a fan bus of students to this game.  The lower section for both schools STOOD for the whole game.  It was quite an atmosphere.  The MIT fans celebrated a tough victory with the players on the court after the game.

It will be interesting to see if SC is better off keeping with that zone or not vs MIT today.

The zone doesnt seem to work well against MIT.  Clark tried it the last regular season game of the year and it didnt work then.

MIT up 59-47.  Bartolotta has 31 with 7 minutes left.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on March 01, 2009, 03:57:00 pm
The game all but over.  A little over 2 minutes to go.  MIT up 19.  Bartolotta has 35 points.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on March 01, 2009, 04:11:25 pm
MIT ends up cruising to the victory 76-50.

Bartolotta ends up scoring 37 points on 11-18 shooting (3-6 3PT).

Gampel had a really good game at the point, with 7 rebounds, 10 assists and 1 turnover.

Billy Bender and Jamie Karraker each chipped in 9 points and Billy Johnson had 13 points.  Eric Zuk had 10 boards.

MIT finally seems to be out of their funk, shooting 40% from 3 and 47% overall from the field.

Pat Crean led Springfield with 20 pts.


CONGRATS TO MIT ON THEIR FIRST EVER NEWMAC TOURNEY WIN AND THEIR FIRST EVER NCAA BIRTH.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: nescac1 on March 01, 2009, 05:13:43 pm
Congrats to MIT.  heck of a gutty team considering how many minutes the starters have to play and just how many talented big guys quit or never joined the program ... glad Bartolotta gets a well-deserved chance at the national stage.  Wonder if the first round opponent will throw a Stephen Curry style gimick defense at him.  If Bartolotta (along with Kent Raymond) aren't first team all americans, something is seriously wrong ...
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on March 01, 2009, 05:43:24 pm
Congrats to MIT.  heck of a gutty team considering how many minutes the starters have to play and just how many talented big guys quit or never joined the program ... glad Bartolotta gets a well-deserved chance at the national stage.  Wonder if the first round opponent will throw a Stephen Curry style gimick defense at him.  If Bartolotta (along with Kent Raymond) aren't first team all americans, something is seriously wrong ...

So you think Bartolotta should get NE player of the year?
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 01, 2009, 05:46:58 pm
Congrats to MIT.  heck of a gutty team considering how many minutes the starters have to play and just how many talented big guys quit or never joined the program ... glad Bartolotta gets a well-deserved chance at the national stage.  Wonder if the first round opponent will throw a Stephen Curry style gimick defense at him.  If Bartolotta (along with Kent Raymond) aren't first team all americans, something is seriously wrong ...

So you think Bartolotta should get NE player of the year?

If he doesn't, something is incredibly wrong with the system.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: nescac1 on March 01, 2009, 05:59:07 pm
I really don't think it is even close hugenerd.  A first team would look something like him, Shelton from UMD, Rudin, Baskauskas, Deluca, but of that group, he put up the best numbers by far, and all the rest of those guys had a lot more talent surrounding them.  I mean, I think he is a legit contender for national player of the year -- he's gotta be most valuable -- I mean, w/out him, what would MIT's record have been there year?  Although Wheaton fans could make a similar case for Raymond ...
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on March 01, 2009, 06:32:05 pm
I really don't think it is even close hugenerd.  A first team would look something like him, Shelton from UMD, Rudin, Baskauskas, Deluca, but of that group, he put up the best numbers by far, and all the rest of those guys had a lot more talent surrounding them.  I mean, I think he is a legit contender for national player of the year -- he's gotta be most valuable -- I mean, w/out him, what would MIT's record have been there year?  Although Wheaton fans could make a similar case for Raymond ...

I agree.  Raymond does have another All-American on his team (a legit big-man, nonetheless, Wiele).  Wheaton (IL) did win a few games without Raymond, though.  I do not think MIT has won a game without Bartolotta, during his entire career (given he has only missed a few games).

You look at other NE All-Americans with not much depth (Pierce at Tufts and C. Johnson at CGA) and you see how their doing and compare that to how MIT is doing, and you can get an idea of how valuable Bartolotta is.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: T990 on March 01, 2009, 07:04:41 pm
Congratulations to MIT on the 2009 NEWMAC Championship and their first ever NCAA berth in the 108-year history of the program.

http://www.newmacsports.com/sports/mbkb/championships/2008-09/championship09
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 02, 2009, 12:32:22 am
I really don't think it is even close hugenerd.  A first team would look something like him, Shelton from UMD, Rudin, Baskauskas, Deluca, but of that group, he put up the best numbers by far, and all the rest of those guys had a lot more talent surrounding them.  I mean, I think he is a legit contender for national player of the year -- he's gotta be most valuable -- I mean, w/out him, what would MIT's record have been there year?  Although Wheaton fans could make a similar case for Raymond ...

I agree.  Raymond does have another All-American on his team (a legit big-man, nonetheless, Wiele).  Wheaton (IL) did win a few games without Raymond, though.  I do not think MIT has won a game without Bartolotta, during his entire career (given he has only missed a few games).

You look at other NE All-Americans with not much depth (Pierce at Tufts and C. Johnson at CGA) and you see how their doing and compare that to how MIT is doing, and you can get an idea of how valuable Bartolotta is.

Actually, Wheaton was 1-2 with Raymond out (and lost his first game back, when he was clearly sub-par and played less than half the game); with him healthy they are 23-0.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on March 02, 2009, 08:57:41 am
Im not trying to detract at all from Raymond.  I got to watch him a few times online this year and he his a great player.  Since MIT doesnt webcast there games, it is hard for people from other regions to know how good he is.  I would say that Raymond and Bartolotta are the two best guards in the country and arguing who is better is an argument that can go back and forth.  Obviously, Raymond has had more team success to this point but he also has a better and deeper team around him.  Bartolotta has put up better numbers but he doesnt play in the CCIW.  They are both great players and I dont think there is use in arguing this.  I think the voting for player of the year will probably depend alot on the region of the voter.  Whoever wins Player of the Year and the Jostens will be deserving regardless of who wins.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: T990 on March 02, 2009, 01:53:26 pm
Some articles on MIT basketball:

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/college/basketball/view/2009_03_02_MIT___NCAAs___Unlikely_equation/

http://www.boston.com/sports/colleges/mens_basketball/articles/2009/03/02/mit_crashes_ncaa_dance_party/

http://www.boston.com/sports/colleges/extras/colleges_blog/2009/02/small_college_c_2.html

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/college/basketball/view.bg?articleid=1150590&format=text
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: larry_u on March 02, 2009, 04:41:13 pm
Can someone post your NCAA team's profiles in here:

http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=6299.0
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on March 03, 2009, 09:43:02 am
WPI drops out of the top 25 this week, receiving 11 votes.  MIT receives votes for the second time in their history (and the season), picking up 2 votes.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on March 03, 2009, 02:26:36 pm
NEWMAC season ending awards were announced today:

Player of the Year
Jimmy Bartolotta, MIT 


Rookie of the Year
Brian Vayda, Clark


Coach of the Year
Larry Anderson, MIT


Sportsmanship Award
Babson College


First Team All-Conference
Jimmy Bartolotta, MIT
Craig Johnson, Coast Guard
Pat Crean, Springfield
Anthony Coppola, Wheaton
Jerome Kirkland, WPI


Second Team All-Conference
Zach Etten, Babson
Mark Alexander, Clark
Bradley Gampel, MIT
Billy Johnson, MIT
Ben Etten, WPI
Adam Lirette, WPI
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on March 03, 2009, 02:48:34 pm
I think, in general, the picks were pretty good.  I think the coaches got it right for the top 3 individual awards (an argument could be made for Jamie Karraker from MIT for ROY, but I guess you cant win them all).


The only major difference I would make would be to put Billy Johnson on the first team and have Pat Crean on the second team.  In NEWMAC play, B. Johnson's rankings were: 2nd in scoring, 6th in rebounding, 9th in FG%, UR in assists, 9th in FT%, 13th in steals, 1st in 3FG%, 3rd in 3FGM, and 5th in blocked shots.  Crean's rankings in the same categories were: 8th in scoring (-6 spots compared to Johnson), 9th in rebounding (-3 spots), 15th in FG% (-6 spots), 4th in assists (+), 15th in FT% (-6 spots), 13th in steals(even), UR in 3FG%(-), UR in 3FGM (-), and 14th in blocked shots (-9 spots).  So Crean only has him in the assists category, while Billy Johnson is ranked higher in every other category.  I dont think you could argue that Crean or Johnson are any more/less important to their team, and obviosly MIT had the better team this year (MIT beat Springfield 3 times).  I think Johnson is a first team player.


STATS for all games
##  SUMMARY        Min/G  FG%  3PT%  FT%  Reb/G  Ast/G  Stl  Blk  Pts/G
33  Billy Johnson     31.8   .469  .378  .705     6.9      1.6    34   23   17.3
41  Pat Crean         31.2   .438  .263  .683     5.6      3.0    46   12   14.5
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: T990 on March 03, 2009, 10:43:55 pm
MIT at RIC on
webcast Friday 6:00PM
LIVE VIDEO:

http://d3sports.prestosports.com/links/p47f78

Live stats:

http://d3sports.prestosports.com/links/15o9lp

http://www.goanchormen.com/livestatsbb/XLIVE.HTM


Interactive NCAA Bracket:

http://www.ncaa.com/brackets/2009/ncaa_bracket_DIII_basketball_men.html
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: massd3fan on March 04, 2009, 08:22:03 am
Congratulations to the entire MIT team and staff on a great season, the NEWMAC Tournament title and their first NCAA tournament appearance.  Tremendous job by any measure, but extraodinary when your talking about playing with 9 men in uniform for most of the season!

Congratulations to Jimmy Bartolotta on the NEWMAC Player of the Year and also to Billy Johnson & Brad Gampel for their All-Conference honors

Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: massd3fan on March 04, 2009, 08:49:26 am
Sorry for my absence since last week.  Family concerns had me out of town since Sunday.  I did however get to the WPI/Springfeild game and saw the first 10 minutes of the MIT/Babson game as well.

I was very disappointed to say the least in WPI's performance on Sat.  I was (until we got called away) so looking forward to seeing a WPI/MIT matchup in the final.

The WPI/Springfield game looked like a blowout early.  WPI hit 3 3's and got out to a 14-5 lead after the first 6 minutes.  if you check the box score, they were 6 for 12 at that point.  After that, they went on a cold streak to rival the last Ice Age.   32 points in the next 34 minutes on 8 for 48 (17% !!!).  Even shooting that bad, they stayed in the game until around 4 or 5 minute mark.

My general observations were they played very tight in that second half.  They really made no adjustments to the 2-3 zone employed by Springfield.  The perimeter players all seemed reluctant to take open shots.  It seemed almost every time that ball movement created an open look, the player who received the ball would ball fake (a shot or a pass) and allow the defense to recover.

They never seemed to get the ball into the typical weak spots of the 2-3 zone and then attack it. My guess is practices this week will be highly focused on that!

In my opinion, they were shown a lot of respect from the Selection Commitee because of their SOS.  They get to host and have a very favorable matchup in Husson from Maine.

The portion of the MIT/Babson game that i did get to see, well it seemed that whatever "infected" WPI was still on the court.  Both teams struggled to hit shots.  Bartolotta was off, and the score was 10-6 MIT when I had to leave.  I was surprised to see the final score to olny be 50-39.

I think MIT has picked up some swagger on their run to the automatic NEWMAC bid, I think they will upset RIC.





 
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: massd3fan on March 04, 2009, 08:56:09 am
Before  I forget!

Congratulations to Jerome Kirkland, Ben Etten, & Adam Lirette of WPI for gathering All-Conference Honors!  Also glad to see Zach Etten from Babson up there too (as an older brother myself, I always root hard for the older one in brother-brother battles)

I do  agree with you Hugenerd in that I would have placed Johnson on the first team over Crean as well.  Both are deserving, but Johnson was asked to play huge minutes as well as alter his own style of play to help the team.  Numbers aside, performing the way he did under those circumstances (knowing there was really no backup for him to play down low) puts him on the first team in my mind.

Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: WPI89 on March 04, 2009, 10:06:47 am
Hugenerd - I really enjoy your posts and in fact that is how I stay in touch with NEWMAC hoops - however, I think you talked yourself into a corner a bit.

One post you talk about how Jimmy B should win national player of the year because he "has absolutely no help" and the next post you show us stats on why Johnson should be first team all conference.  I have not seen MIT since last year so I am not qualified to talk post season awards, but it is tough for you to make both those arguments back-to-back.

ps - although I root for WPI and clearly they have an easier first round matchup (at least on paper), I could see Bartolotta as the best player on the court, willing MIT to a win or 2 in the big dance.

Hope they both do well
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on March 04, 2009, 10:25:30 am
Hugenerd - I really enjoy your posts and in fact that is how I stay in touch with NEWMAC hoops - however, I think you talked yourself into a corner a bit.

One post you talk about how Jimmy B should win national player of the year because he "has absolutely no help" and the next post you show us stats on why Johnson should be first team all conference.  I have not seen MIT since last year so I am not qualified to talk post season awards, but it is tough for you to make both those arguments back-to-back.

ps - although I root for WPI and clearly they have an easier first round matchup (at least on paper), I could see Bartolotta as the best player on the court, willing MIT to a win or 2 in the big dance.

Hope they both do well

I never said Bartolotta had no help (maybe you can provide a quote of what you are talking about).  If you are talking about my comparison to Raymond, I just said that Raymond has a deeper and more talented team around him (he has an all-american center on his team).

Im not trying to detract at all from Raymond.  I got to watch him a few times online this year and he his a great player.  Since MIT doesnt webcast there games, it is hard for people from other regions to know how good he is.  I would say that Raymond and Bartolotta are the two best guards in the country and arguing who is better is an argument that can go back and forth.  Obviously, Raymond has had more team success to this point but he also has a better and deeper team around him.  Bartolotta has put up better numbers but he doesnt play in the CCIW.  They are both great players and I dont think there is use in arguing this.  I think the voting for player of the year will probably depend alot on the region of the voter.  Whoever wins Player of the Year and the Jostens will be deserving regardless of who wins.

I really don't think it is even close hugenerd.  A first team would look something like him, Shelton from UMD, Rudin, Baskauskas, Deluca, but of that group, he put up the best numbers by far, and all the rest of those guys had a lot more talent surrounding them.  I mean, I think he is a legit contender for national player of the year -- he's gotta be most valuable -- I mean, w/out him, what would MIT's record have been there year?  Although Wheaton fans could make a similar case for Raymond ...

I agree.  Raymond does have another All-American on his team (a legit big-man, nonetheless, Wiele).  Wheaton (IL) did win a few games without Raymond, though.  I do not think MIT has won a game without Bartolotta, during his entire career (given he has only missed a few games).

You look at other NE All-Americans with not much depth (Pierce at Tufts and C. Johnson at CGA) and you see how their doing and compare that to how MIT is doing, and you can get an idea of how valuable Bartolotta is.

That doesnt mean Bartolotta has 0 help, it means he has less help (especially in terms of guys off the bench) than most other teams. I have said all along that MIT has very little depth and that Bartolotta garners double or triple teams on most nights, but lack of depth doesnt mean they have lack of talent.  I have said on numerous times that MIT has strength in their top couple of players, whereas teams like WPI have strength in their depth. B. Johnson is a legit player, he put up 40 points on senior night, he was the second leading scorer in NEWMAC play behind Bartolotta, he is good.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on March 04, 2009, 10:34:29 am
hugenerd,

   I will say MIT wins this one at WPI.  With the way Johnson has adjusted to playing the 5, MIT has two definitive "go-to" players that both provide matchup difficulties for WPI.  Johnson presents a huge huge problem for WPI.  If WPI goes with their small lineup, he can take over inside, if they play their only big guy (big body, but slow) on him, he can go back outside or work him off the dribble.

  As this is JB,s last go round, and I can see him having a huge game.  I you have presented the case for him being the best player in the conference for the past few years, I can see him wanting to cement that with a major statement game.  This is MIT's opportunity to take control of the conference and give their nemesis a slap in the process.

I hope to get there to see this one, it should be a great atmosphere.

We have a couple of day's to talk this one up, besides its ore fun talking about this than the Super Bowl !


I wont be able to make it but I sure am looking forward to it. 

The team's are very different, considering WPI seems to have a very balanced attack with 9-10 players contributing every game, while MIT depends heavily on their starting 5 (Bartolotta and Johnson score 67.5% of MITs points in their NEWMAC games so far, with those two + Jamie Karrakar scoring 84% of the team's offense).  I think that MIT definitely has a good chance to win, they have been playing really well on the road lately (they led both the Springfield and Clark games by 20+ points in the second half in their last two road games).  However, it is always interesting on the road.  WPI is a strong home team and it will also depend on Jimmy B and Billy J staying out of foul trouble.  Bradley Gampel will also play a key role.  If he can handle WPI's defense and not commit too many turnovers, it will give MIT a much better chance to win.

In terms of Billy J, he has definitely caused a lot of mathcup problems at the 5.  He has been knocking down two to four 3's the last several games (which is hard for a true post to defend) and at 6'8" he can take smaller guys inside.  Considering that Jimmy B has been a constant this season, scoring near his average in every game (he hasnt scored less than 20 in any game this season), I think Billy J has played a very large role in MIT's emergence as a top team in the NEWMACHe his currently the second leading scorer in NEWMAC conference play (23 ppg, behind Bartolotta's 30 ppg) and has also been averageing 6.8 rpg (second on the team behind Bartolotta's 7.3 rpg).  (Note all stats are through last Wednesday's games, because NEWMAC hasnt updated their stats through Saturday's games yet).

Should be a fun one to follow online (for me) and even more fun for you to watch in person.

If you read some earlier posts, I am pretty sure I have given Billy Johnson his due all along.  This post was made before the first MIT-WPI game.

There is a difference between saying a team doesnt have a lot of depth and saying Bartolotta is the only good player on his team or saying Bartolotta has no help (which I have never said).
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: massd3fan on March 04, 2009, 11:46:50 am
WPI89,

   Did you attend the WPI/Springfield game last week?  If so, what were your insights?  What do you think they need to do to gather a couple of wins this weekend?

   I have only seen a very few games and would appreciate anythin you can throw into the discussion on this year's team.

Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: clarkie on March 04, 2009, 10:35:15 pm
Hugenerd,

I know you say you can't have it all, but I have to say, relax. Brian Vayda was by far the best rookie in the league and the only real spark the second half of the season for Clark. I went to the Clark vs. MIT game and yes it could possibly have been due to Johnson scoring upwards of 40 points and Bartolotta being his normal fantastic self (I have said on this blog before that he deserves all the credit in the world, he is GOOD), but I have no idea who this Jamie player is, and I like to think I keep up with what's going on in the league. No need to defend yourself as you like to do, you make good points. But please, let Vayda have his moment.

A HUGE congrats to Coach Anderson of MIT. Absolutely always a class act and am glad to see that he put together such a successful team despite not having a big enough roster for an intersquad scrimmage (even with no substitutes). I have always been impressed watching him from the sidelines and enjoyed seeing such a poised leader coaching MIT (even if I am a Cougar fan myself).

Let's go MIT!
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: remsleep on March 04, 2009, 10:53:43 pm
Just want to let everyone know, especially MIT fans,  that there is a piece scheduled to be broadcast tomorrow (i.e. March 5), probably on ESPNU about MIT.   It is my understanding that it will include a live phone interview with Coach Anderson, maybe some Jimmy B. sound bites and a bit of video.  I am told it will be first broadcast during the 5:30 (ET) PM ESPNU slot.  Perhaps will be rebroadcast within the ESPN family during the following hours.   Good for MIT!
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on March 04, 2009, 11:21:07 pm
Just want to let everyone know, especially MIT fans,  that there is a piece scheduled to be broadcast tomorrow (i.e. March 5), probably on ESPNU about MIT.   It is my understanding that it will include a live phone interview with Coach Anderson, maybe some Jimmy B. sound bites and a bit of video.  I am told it will be first broadcast during the 5:30 (ET) PM ESPNU slot.  Perhaps will be rebroadcast within the ESPN family during the following hours.   Good for MIT!

I actually heard about this a few days ago but was told not to discuss it yet (at that point).  I hear there will also be interviews with all 3 MIT seniors.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on March 04, 2009, 11:24:40 pm
Hugenerd,

I know you say you can't have it all, but I have to say, relax. Brian Vayda was by far the best rookie in the league and the only real spark the second half of the season for Clark. I went to the Clark vs. MIT game and yes it could possibly have been due to Johnson scoring upwards of 40 points and Bartolotta being his normal fantastic self (I have said on this blog before that he deserves all the credit in the world, he is GOOD), but I have no idea who this Jamie player is, and I like to think I keep up with what's going on in the league. No need to defend yourself as you like to do, you make good points. But please, let Vayda have his moment.

A HUGE congrats to Coach Anderson of MIT. Absolutely always a class act and am glad to see that he put together such a successful team despite not having a big enough roster for an intersquad scrimmage (even with no substitutes). I have always been impressed watching him from the sidelines and enjoyed seeing such a poised leader coaching MIT (even if I am a Cougar fan myself).

Let's go MIT!

Vayda is definitely deserving.  I was just naming who I thought was probably the second best candidate.  Just to fill you in, Karraker scored 11 ppg this year for MIT, was second in the league in 3PT% and 3FGM (both behind Bartolotta) and 11th in overall FG%.  He was the 3rd leading scorer for MIT, behind Bartolotta and B. Johnson.  He made big 3s down the stretch for MIT in both the quarterfinal and semifinal NEWMAC tourney wins.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: remsleep on March 04, 2009, 11:25:54 pm
Hey, how come I wasn't told not to discuss it?
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on March 04, 2009, 11:31:40 pm
Hey, how come I wasn't told not to discuss it?

I apparently dont have as much authority as you.  I have the authority to know but not to distribute.  I also heard about it before the interviews actually occured with the 3 seniors so maybe they wanted to wait for the interviews to actually happen before spreading the word too much.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: remsleep on March 04, 2009, 11:53:21 pm
 Of course, my previous post was simply laughing at myself.  I can assure you, Hugenerd, that EVERYONE has more authority that I do.   

Going to the game Friday?    Anchormen will have the advantage of playing this on their home floor.  Hope MIT will send some kids like they did during the NEWMAC tournament in Worcester.  Perhaps Mr. Kohl could buy the time of seven or eight hundred people and send them to Providence.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on March 05, 2009, 12:00:49 am
Of course, my previous post was simply laughing at myself.  I can assure you, Hugenerd, that EVERYONE has more authority that I do.   

Going to the game Friday?    Anchormen will have the advantage of playing this on their home floor.  Hope MIT will send some kids like they did during the NEWMAC tournament in Worcester.  Perhaps Mr. Kohl could buy the time of seven or eight hundred people and send them to Providence.

Do you mean Mr. Koch?

I cant make it because of family obligations but I am going to try to watch online.  I hope they get it done, but I hear RIC is pretty tought.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: WPI89 on March 05, 2009, 07:58:30 am
Massd3fan

Unfortunately I am down in CT now.  I have seen only 2 games this year.  Coincidentaly the Clark win at home and the horrible loss at Clark.

It was 2 completely different WPI teams - they seemed more comfortable out on the break and taking (of course you always look better when you are making them) shots early on the clock.  The second game they were very methodical and never looked comfortable.

That being said - they have won games in the 50's and 60's so I am not sure.

One home win at least sure would be nice!

H-NERD - sorry about misquoting you.  Keep up the Jimmy B stuff -- I hope he goes off against RIC.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: T990 on March 05, 2009, 02:30:20 pm
"we've already found the best Cinderella story of March Madness this year"

MIT basketball getting big time ESPN coverage:

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=darcy/090305

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/index

Anyone know the details about the ESPN segment on MIT tonight?  like is it on Sportscenter? or what time, etc?
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on March 05, 2009, 03:55:54 pm
"we've already found the best Cinderella story of March Madness this year"

MIT basketball getting big time ESPN coverage:

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=darcy/090305

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/index

Anyone know the details about the ESPN segment on MIT tonight?  like is it on Sportscenter? or what time, etc?

From what I hear it will be on sportscenter tonight, but I dont know any other specifics.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on March 05, 2009, 04:14:04 pm
I now hear it is likely the 6:00 (early) sportscenter that will have it.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on March 05, 2009, 05:06:56 pm
I now hear MIT may have been bumped to ESPNU.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: WPI89 on March 06, 2009, 08:03:16 am
There was just too much news yesterday (AROD) for a feel good story like MIT.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on March 06, 2009, 08:11:28 am
There was just too much news yesterday (AROD) for a feel good story like MIT.

Yeah, I have been trying to find the clip on the video archive but it isnt up so I guess it isnt going to be archived.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: massd3fan on March 06, 2009, 12:02:39 pm
Hugenerd,

   Good Luck To MIT tonight, I am planning to go to the WPI game tonight. (Convinced my wife that we can call it a date by going out to dinner after the game!).  I hope to see some of the 2nd game too, but if one is all i get, I have to take that and be happy...LOL
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on March 06, 2009, 01:07:10 pm
Hugenerd,

   Good Luck To MIT tonight, I am planning to go to the WPI game tonight. (Convinced my wife that we can call it a date by going out to dinner after the game!).  I hope to see some of the 2nd game too, but if one is all i get, I have to take that and be happy...LOL

Fill us in on how it goes.  I wont be able to make the trip to RIC but I am going to try to watch online.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on March 06, 2009, 08:18:52 pm
MIT UPSETS RIC ON THEIR HOME COURT

Bartolotta had an awful game in regulation, but took over in OT.  Going 2-2 from 3 (2-2 from the field overall) and 4-4 from the line, scoring 10.  He finished the game 27 points, 8 rebounds, 3 assists and 3 steals.

Billy Johnson played HUGE (before fouling out with 1 minute to go in OT).  He 7-11 from the floor (3-4 from 3), scoring 19 points, adding 11 rebounds, 3 assists and 2 blocks.  Brad Gampel had 7 assists.

Bobby Bailey paced RIC with 16 points.

Unsung hero for MIT was Billy Bender.  He scored the last 4 points of regulation, going 4-4 at the line, to put MIT up by 2 in the final seconds.  RIC was bailed out on a phatom foul call on Bartolotta, and RIC was able to convert to send it to OT.

Bartolotta really played bad for about 40 minutes, but had an amazing final 5 to carry the team in OT.  Everyone really stepped up in OT.  Johnson had a nice finish, Karraker made a 3, Gampel made FTs, Bartolotta played like himself finally, and everyone took care of the ball.

MIT was really plagued by turnovers, committing 28, but were able to turnover RIC 23 times.  RIC also outrebounded MIT 48-36, including 23 offensive boards for RIC (RIC shot 27 more shots than MIT), but MIT held RIC to 36% FT shooting while MIT shot 46% from the field and shot 44% from 3.

The difference in the game was FT shooting down the stretch and 3-pointers.  MIT scored 12 more points than RIC from 3 (+9 in OT) and were +11 points at the FT line (MIT shot more free throws because RIC fouled the last minute and a half of OT, but MIT shot over 73% from the line, while RIC shot just 50%).

MIT was also able to exert their tempo for long stretches in the game, having long deliberate posessions, which kept the score low (53-53 at the end of regulation).  They then exploded in OT, scoring 20 points in 5 minutes (they scored 22 points in the first half and 33 points in the second half).

I give all the credit in the world to Coach Anderson and his staff, they had a game plan, stuck to it, and it came through for them.  Who would have thought that despite being outshot 75-48, committing 28 turnovers, and giving up 23 offensive rebounds, they would be able to pull out this game (especially with Bartolotta not playing like himself for most of the game).

If they show up tomorrow, they will have a very good chance to move on to the round of 16.  I look forward to it.

In other action, WPI absolutely destroys Husson 86-57.  Good night for the NEWMAC.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on March 06, 2009, 10:33:47 pm
Release for the MIT game:

http://mitathletics.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/recaps/030609aaa.html
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: massd3fan on March 06, 2009, 11:43:50 pm
WPI did indeed destroy Husson tonight, winning by a score of 86-57.
The Engineers dominated the game throughout, taking a double digit
lead with about 8 minutes left in the first half and Husson never
got the lead down to single digits again.  WPI's defensive intensity
was there all night.  That defense created 22 Husson turnovers which
were converted into 21 pts.  Also that deep WPI bench outscored
Husson's bench 49 to 20.  Husson was also plagued by foul trouble as
3 players fouled out of the game.

WPI had 4 players post double digits in scoring:
Jerome Kirkland – 15 pts
Fernando Perez – 14 pts
Jeff Robinson – 11 pts
Matt Carr - 10 pts

Altogether, 12 players scored.  Perez posted a double-double by adding 10 rebounds.

Husson was led by :

Scott Kissinger - 10 pts
Matt Mckenzie - 9 pts
Brock Bradford - 8 pts
Nick Perras - 8 pts

I will give the Husson supporters some kudos here though.  They were very
supportive and vocal for their team and displayed great sportsmanship.

Here is the link to the press realease :

http://wpi.prestosports.com/sports/mbkb/2008-09/news/mbb030609game

WPI will play UMass-Dartmouth tomorrow at 7 PM for a spot in the Sweet 16!


Hugenerd,

   Great to hear that MIT also won their game!  Your right, a GREAT night for
the NEWMAC!
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on March 07, 2009, 12:02:49 am
Thanks massd3,

I thought MIT was in trouble with the way Bartolotta was playing, especially after the very tough call at the end of the game that allowed RIC to tie in regulation.  However, Bartolotta player more like himself in OT and MIT was able to get it done.

Really sloppy game though (51 turnovers), MIT needs to play better tomorrow,  Farmingdale State seemed impressive vs. UNE (but it is tough to gauge the CCC schools).
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on March 07, 2009, 12:51:29 am
Article in the Denver Post about Bartolotta that came out on Friday:

http://www.denverpost.com/search/ci_11848199
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: remsleep on March 07, 2009, 12:56:10 am
Good night for the NEWMAC on the mens' side.   Attended the MIT-RIC game, and it was sloppy.  Incredible grittiness on the part of the Engineers.   Huge uplift for them when their fan busses arrived at half-time, cannot underestimate the energy they supplied.    Yes, it's true that JB had a relatively poor first 40 minutes, but the most impressive thing about him is that he just keeps playing.  Not sure what to think about Farmingdale State....same old stuff, play defense, hit threes, hope for a little fairy dust and who knows!?

PS  Hugenerd, yes I meant Mr. Koch not Mr. Kohl, thanks for the correction.

Excitement awaits tomorrow night in Providence
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: remsleep on March 07, 2009, 01:14:51 am
Just so you know, the schedule for Saturday, March 7 indicates that MIT is playing UNE in the second round.  This is incorrect, MIT is playing Farmingdale State.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: T990 on March 07, 2009, 10:25:14 am
TV news coverage of MIT basketball from NECN.  (Both links go to the same video).

Cinderella story continues for MIT basketball


http://www.necn.com/Boston/Sports/2009/03/06/Cinderella-story-continues-for/1236393688.html

http://multimedia.boston.com/m/21961946/mit_advances_in_ncaa_tournament.htm
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: T990 on March 07, 2009, 10:40:29 am
RIC has last night's full game video archived, MIT at RIC:

http://ricollege.ezstream.com/play/index.cfm?id=121FA01A9A

http://www.goanchormen.com/schedules/sch_mbasketball.html

Yes, the late arriving MIT fan buses were the difference!
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: atn alum on March 07, 2009, 11:38:39 am
next opponent for MIT fixed on sked page. thanks.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on March 07, 2009, 11:55:58 am
TV news coverage of MIT basketball from NECN.  (Both links go to the same video).

Cinderella story continues for MIT basketball


http://www.necn.com/Boston/Sports/2009/03/06/Cinderella-story-continues-for/1236393688.html

http://multimedia.boston.com/m/21961946/mit_advances_in_ncaa_tournament.htm


Thanks for that T990.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: T990 on March 07, 2009, 12:22:07 pm
I believe the MIT vs Farmingdale State game will be webcast live video tonight at 7PM.  Try these links at game time:

http://d3sports.prestosports.com/links/p47f78

http://www.goanchormen.com/ListenLive/ListenLiveWinter200809.html

http://www.farmingdalesports.com/sports/mbkb/index

(click on the MIT-Farmingdale game box here):

http://www.ncaa.com/brackets/2009/ncaa_bracket_DIII_basketball_men.html
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: T990 on March 07, 2009, 12:47:40 pm
Farmingdale State is a physically imposing team.  Every player is very strong and has great basketball instincts.  No problem scoring a basket while someone is hanging on them.  They've won 25 games!  UNE pressed the whole first half and only had a 16-point deficit to show for it. 

MIT has not faced a roster like FSU this season.  Maybe Yale was physically similar.  FSU only had 10 guys on the roster last night; MIT carries 9.  OTOH I doubt FSU has faced a team that does what MIT does this season either.  And who else has a player like Jimmy B?

Here is FSU's roster:

http://www.farmingdalesports.com/sports/mbkb/2008/roster

(Lots of guys over 225 lbs).
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on March 07, 2009, 06:45:47 pm
Farmingdale State is a physically imposing team.  Every player is very strong and has great basketball instincts.  No problem scoring a basket while someone is hanging on them.  They've won 25 games!  UNE pressed the whole first half and only had a 16-point deficit to show for it. 

MIT has not faced a roster like FSU this season.  Maybe Yale was physically similar.  FSU only had 10 guys on the roster last night; MIT carries 9.  OTOH I doubt FSU has faced a team that does what MIT does this season either.  And who else has a player like Jimmy B?

Here is FSU's roster:

http://www.farmingdalesports.com/sports/mbkb/2008/roster

(Lots of guys over 225 lbs).

That could work to MIT's advatange though, if FSU is slower closing out or does not play out as far, MIT may get their 3-point game rolling.

Another surprise for me last night was that fould trouble was more of an issue for RIC than MIT.  If the game had gone to 2 OT, MIT would have been in real trouble, but RIC had their best big man foul out in regulation and a starting guard foul out in OT, while MIT only had Billy Johnson foul out with about a minute left in the game (when MIT was up by 5, I believe). 

FSU may have won 25 games, but against who? Looking down their schedule I cant find a team that would give me a gauge on how relatively strong they are.  I guess we will find out in a little bit.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 07, 2009, 08:54:52 pm

MIT lost by 6, 67-61; it looks like the succeeded in slowing the game down just a bit.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: T990 on March 08, 2009, 12:19:42 pm
You can watch the Farmingdale-MIT game video; it is archived here:

http://www.ncaa.com/brackets/2009/ncaa_bracket_DIII_basketball_men.html

Click on the MIT-Farmingdale game box,

then click on the little Video Camera icon in the pop up.

I have no idea how long they will keep it up there, but it is accessible right now.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: T990 on March 08, 2009, 12:22:27 pm
Farmingdale game writ-up here:

http://www.ncaa.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/030709aau.html
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 08, 2009, 04:07:19 pm
You don't have to send people away -- we have all that stuff on our site.

http://www.d3hoops.com/game-releases/v2.0/2009/Mar/07/MIT-vs.-Farmingdale+State/x5qh79o0hpj1fv5q/29439
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 08, 2009, 07:02:39 pm
You don't have to send people away -- we have all that stuff on our site.

http://www.d3hoops.com/game-releases/v2.0/2009/Mar/07/MIT-vs.-Farmingdale+State/x5qh79o0hpj1fv5q/29439

No helping the NCAA; remember, they're the enemy.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 08, 2009, 07:05:30 pm
Oh, I'm sure that all the ads that display on that page will go directly into the Division III NCAA Tournament traveling fund. :)
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: massd3fan on March 09, 2009, 11:00:33 am
I did get to the WPI-UMD game on Saturday.  UMD came out hard and got WPI to turn the ball over numerous times early in the game.  WPI managed to stay within striking distance, but was never able to overcome that early deficit.

NT Izuchi kept WPI in the game going 3 for 3 from outside the arc in the games first 10 minutes or so, but only took 1 more shot during the rest of the game.  While WPI never seemed to find a go-to guy on the offensive end, UMD had 3 of them. Reece Freeman, Matt Walker & Brandon Shelton played great to carry UMD to the Sweet 16.  Walker had an amazing game going 9-9 from the field including 2 3's.  Freeman went 8 for 11 with 5 assts and Shelton was 6-12 and 4 out 5 from the free-throw line.  Another player who stepped up and hit crucial shots in the second half was Tom Henneberry.  His 2 three's each came at points where WPI had a chance to cut the lead under 5.

WPI had several opportunities to get the lead less than 5 points, but every time they got there, someone on UMD stepped up and made the big play.  UMD got a little sloppy committing 7 turnovers that helped to keep WPI close, but it was not enough for the Engineers to overcome a 16-2 differential in points off turnovers in the 1st half.

WPI was led by senior Adam Lirette's 12 points and 3 assts.  Jeff Robinson & Fernando Perez added 11 each.  Seniors Izuchi & Jerome Kirkland tossed in 9 and 7 points respectively.

The matchups favored the quicker Corsairs for most of the day.  The only advantage WPI had was some height inside, where Bennett Lessard posted 6 points & 5 rebounds, but he only played 17 minutes and his back up did not play at all. Perez did get a few scoring opportunities inside, but he only got about 4 of his 7 shot attempts from the low post offense and only took 2 shots in the 1st half.   In the end, UMD actually outscored WPI 38-32 in the paint.

In the second half, WPI went to a different kind of defense where they had Lessard playing UMD PG - Reece.  He was playing off him, sagging back into the paint giving Reece the 15 foot jumper.  This did seem to throw UMD off for a short time, but late in the game Reece started driving the lane and came up with a layup that bumped the lead to 9 pts and then the final dagger when hit a short jumper with 1:20 to go that pushed the lead to 8 and WPI never got that close again.

WPI did a good job to come back and stay in the game after looking very shaky at the outset.  Unfortunately for the Engineers, UMD had too many weapons and just shot the lights out going almost 60% from the field (48% from 3 land).  UMD is now 27-3.

WPI finishes another very successful season at 21-6.

I see that MIT lost as well, but what a great year for the NEWMAC.  Two teams into the tournament and both picked a win!  Congratulations to both teams for giving us some great basketball to enjoy this year!
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on March 09, 2009, 11:18:53 am
Congrats to MIT on a historical season, here are some records they broke this season:

Team (Season):

Most wins: 21 (tied with 2005-06)
Most points: 2200
3FGM: 281
3FGA: 715
FTM: 467
Assists: 526
Steals: 292

Individual (Season):

Points: Jimmy Bartolotta (1st, 800)
Scoring Average: Jimmy Bartolotta (1st, 27.6)
3FG%: Jimmy Bartolotta (1st, 0.436); Jamie Karraker (T-2nd, 0.419) Billy Johnson (12th, 0.377)
FT%: Jimmy Bartolotta (2nd, 0.837)
Assists: Brad Gampel (1st, 207)
Blocks: Jimmy Bartolotta (5th, 41)
Steals: Brad Gampel (1st, 80); Jimmy Bartolotta (T-4th, 57)


Individual (Career):
Points: Jimmy Bartolotta (1st, 2279)
Scoring Average: Jimmy Bartolotta (2nd, 20.7)
FG%: Jimmy Bartolotta (T-6th, 0.501)
3FG%: Jimmy Bartolotta (1st, 0.413)
FT%: Jimmy Bartolotta (1st, 0.837)
Rebounds: Jimmy Bartolotta (6th, 688)
Assists: Brad Gampel (3rd, 434); Jimmy Bartolotta (6th, 329)
Blocks: Jimmy Bartolotta (3rd, 99)
Steals: Jimmy Bartolotta (1st, 184); Brad Gampel (2nd, 183)

You add that to records this group has set in previous years, and an already impressive career becomes more incredible:

Season Records set in previous years:
Points: Jimmy Bartolotta(4th(2007-08) 574; 5th (2006-07), 572)
Scoring Average: Jimmy Bartolotta(2nd(2007-08) 23.9; 9th (2006-07), 21.2)
3FG%: Jimmy Bartolotta(3rd(2007-08) 0.415; 10th (2006-07), 0.382)
FT%: Jimmy Bartolotta(1st(2006-07) 0.866; 5th (2007-08), 0.805)
Assists: Jimmy Bartolotta (7th (2006-07), 116); Brad Gampel (8th (2007-08), 113)
Steals: Brad Gampel (3rd (2007-08), 59); Jimmy Bartolotta (6th (2007-08), 56; 9th (2006-07), 52)


Congrats on Great Careers (Billy Johnson should be back for year 5, and will get on a lot of the career lists if he does).
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: T990 on March 09, 2009, 12:54:45 pm
I believe the MIT class of '09 also holds the MIT record for most wins in a 4-year span at the Institute.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on March 09, 2009, 01:04:47 pm
Thats very possible.  They were involved in both 21 win seasons.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: T990 on March 09, 2009, 01:11:42 pm
A few notes about the MIT-Farmingdale State game:

This was a game of runs, as each team held leads in each half.  FSC had a strong run just before crunch time in the second half.  MIT had the ball with :38 left in the game, trailing by 2, but things didn't go the way they wanted in their final possessions. 

The game was just as close and as intense as the MIT-RIC game, and either team could have won this one too.  The refereeing was bizarre, letting FSC grab and hold jerseys w/o a whistle, letting FSC go over the back and be given a held ball call, yet when 2 guys are jumping up for a loose rebound MIT gets whistled a foul (?).

Lastly, I have to say Brad Gampel absolutely played his heart out in this one.  He was all over hustling, rebounding, doing everything anyone could do to win this game.  He left it all on the floor.  If anyone watches the archive video, you'll see what I mean.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on March 09, 2009, 02:17:49 pm
A few notes about the MIT-Farmingdale State game:

This was a game of runs, as each team held leads in each half.  FSC had a strong run just before crunch time in the second half.  MIT had the ball with :38 left in the game, trailing by 2, but things didn't go the way they wanted in their final possessions. 

The game was just as close and as intense as the MIT-RIC game, and either team could have won this one too.  The refereeing was bizarre, letting FSC grab and hold jerseys w/o a whistle, letting FSC go over the back and be given a held ball call, yet when 2 guys are jumping up for a loose rebound MIT gets whistled a foul (?).

Lastly, I have to say Brad Gampel absolutely played his heart out in this one.  He was all over hustling, rebounding, doing everything anyone could do to win this game.  He left it all on the floor.  If anyone watches the archive video, you'll see what I mean.

Yeah, that traveling call wasnt so great at the :38 second mark when MIT was down two.  The reason Bender bordeline traveled was because a defender raked him across the arms when he was going up for a shot (or pass, wasnt clear), and then the ball came out of his hands before he landed (so it should not have been a traveling anyway).
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: JustAFan on March 09, 2009, 11:04:01 pm
I"m curious what happened to WPI freshman Jerome Stewart over the last 6-8 games of the season. He seemed to get buried on the bench after starting a bunch of games and getting significant minutes over the first 2/3 of the season.  He seemed to play well, albeit inconsistently at times, in the games I saw.  WPI could have used some of his inside toughness against UMD on Saturday, but it appears that once you get on the long end of Bartley's bench it takes a long time to earn back your minutes.  To his credit, he was a loud and positive cheerleader for his teammates from the bench Saturday night.

I thought UMD's Freeman was outstanding on Saturday, not only penetrating to the hoop at will but grabbing key rebounds and steals on the defensive end.  He's a lot of fun to watch and the key to UMD's defense.  The UMD press is one of the best I've seen, one you really can't prepare for, and the kids execute it extremely well, a credit to the coaching they get from Brian Baptiste. 

Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on March 09, 2009, 11:33:49 pm
I believe the MIT class of '09 also holds the MIT record for most wins in a 4-year span at the Institute.

I checked into this (all numbers are for since 1960) and this class does have the most wins by a 4 year class (68).  They also have the best winning percentage (0.602), and the first over 0.600, since the class of 1968-69.  The best winning percentage of any class was the class of 1966-67, winning 71.3% of their games.

To the credit of Coach Anderson, this is the 7th year in a row that a graduating basketball class has had a winning record at MIT, and 8 out of 9 of at 0.500.    Prior to that, (1999-2000 and prior) there had been 30 consecutive classes with losing records.  Definitely a tribute to Coach Anderson and his disciplined system.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: remsleep on March 09, 2009, 11:38:49 pm
Huge---- will you predict that Coach Anderson is going to be wined and dined by some other schools' AD's who are looking for a really good basketball coach?
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on March 10, 2009, 12:37:14 am
Huge---- will you predict that Coach Anderson is going to be wined and dined by some other schools' AD's who are looking for a really good basketball coach?

I have no idea, I havent heard or even thought about that.  From what I know Coach Anderson is happy.

With that said, if I had a coaching vacancy, I would want Coach Anderson leading my team.  I think the circumstances would have to be perfect for him to leave, though, I cant see it happening, but you never know.  Plus, at what other university could he say his a Professor at MIT (he has the official title of associate professor, other titles include Head Men's Basketball Coach, Director of Club Sports, and I think he has some other position in some aspect of student life).

It is pretty spectacular what he has done.  He didnt have enough players to practice 5 v. 5 the whole season, yet he always gets the most out of his players.  I have seen quite a bit of d3 basketball over the past 8 years and Coach Anderson runs the most disciplined teams I have seen, period.  The three seniors deserve a lot of credit, but without Coach Anderson's defensive emphasis and the intelligent, deliberate way he approaches coaching, I dont think this team sees nearly as much success as it has.  I hope he gets a lot of consideration for NE coach of the year and even national coach of the year.  I think with him at the helm, and the recent interest in the program due to its success, MIT could become a perennial 20 win team.  Its just a matter of getting players admitted and whether those players are committed to basketball, as well as academics.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: clarkie on March 10, 2009, 01:10:18 am
I was always impressed with Coach Andersen--such a class act. You can see it everything he does from the beginning of the game til the end when he talks with his own kids and other kids and fans at the game. He has done a lot and deserves only the best. Congrats to MIT on a great season!

By the way, what is Coach Andersen a professor of? I wonder if you could audit his class.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on March 10, 2009, 01:37:57 am
I was always impressed with Coach Andersen--such a class act. You can see it everything he does from the beginning of the game til the end when he talks with his own kids and other kids and fans at the game. He has done a lot and deserves only the best. Congrats to MIT on a great season!

By the way, what is Coach Andersen a professor of? I wonder if you could audit his class.


I am not sure, but if you search for his name in the mit people directory (web.mit.edu, lower left corner), his title will come up as associate professor.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on March 10, 2009, 01:38:59 am
Congrats to Jimmy Bartolotta for being named the Jostens trophy winner for this year.  He truly deserves the honor for his great season and career at MIT.

I wish him all the best in Europe next season!
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: deiscanton on March 10, 2009, 05:25:20 am
I guess then I will be the second person to say congrats to Jimmy Bartolotta of MIT on being named this year's Jostens Trophy winner.    I concur with Hugenerd on his best wishes to Jimmy Bartolotta on his future endeavors.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: massd3fan on March 10, 2009, 08:28:49 am
Congratulations to Jimmy Bartolotta from me as well.  Very well deserved honor and a great way for him to end a fantastic career!  I wish him nothing but the best of luck in his quest to play in Europe.

Great for the conference too, the NEWMAC now lays claim to 2 of the last 3 Joosten Awards.

Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: massd3fan on March 10, 2009, 10:17:39 am
JustAfan,

   I managed to take in a few of the WPI games this season.  I'm an "old school" guy when it comes to basketball.  I firmly believe the most successful & consistent teams operate from the inside out.  You need a strong inside game to provide openings for your outside shooters.  By strong, I mean the ability to score from both sides of the lane in the low post, consistently box out, and be able to defend in the low post.  If your have true low post presence, then your outside game, and dribble penetration will be much, much more effective.

   Now, the game has progressed a great deal from my youth (I grew up watching Russell, Chamberlain, Alcindor/Jabbar, Unseld, Walton, Silas, etc.)  Today's game is indeed a guard dominated game at the college level, but the best teams still have good low post players.  There will be games where you guard play is down and the 3 points shooters are off.  If you don’t have a strong inside game to go to when the outside game is off, you have big problems.  For what it is worth (probably not much more than Citibank stock right now) here are my observations and thoughts.

  WPI fell into this situation against Springfeild in the NEWMAC semi-finals.  They shot under 25% and half of their FG attempts were 3's.  Lessard was in foul trouble and only played 8 minutes going 0-1 with 4 boards, Perez played 22 minutes going 1-2 with 6 rebs & Carr played 5 minutes going 0-3 with 2 rebounds. As you noted, Stewart did not play in that game.  So you got only 6 FGA from the group and from the stat sheet, they went 13 for 54, with 29 of the attempts being 3-pointers.

   I am not sure what the status of Stewart is.  It does seem certain that something happened, but what will most likely remain internal. That is my guess, it's not based on any particular knowledge.  From what I could gather watching the games i did get to, I think Coach Bartley prefers smaller more athletic players over the typical big man.  He had 2 "big men" on the roster.  Lessard at 6'8" and he must be 245-250 in weight and Carr at 6'7" and rather wiry.  Stewart at 6’4”&  Perez at 6’3” provide a different look down low, but struggled against players in the 6’6” and above range.  They also have a couple of other freshmen Peter White & Dave Brown at 6’3”.  White is listed as a forward & Brown a guard.  Lessard is a bit cumbersome and has difficulty handling the ball in the low post.  He will often pass the ball out when he should be attacking the rim. He is the only junior on the team and will need to refine his skills to make a bigger impact next year. Perez had flashes of brilliance this year.  He is undersized at the power forward slot, but uses his body very well.  He is also one of guys who just seem to have a nose for the ball.  He put up a couple of double-doubles down the stretch of the season at Babson & in the opening round win over Husson in the NCAAs.  He is also a good defender in the scheme coach Bartley employs.  If he can develop his right hand, he could be all-conference next year.  Carr didn’t play all that much this season, but I did see him play a couple of times and he could be a real presence next year.  He appears to have the ability to be an offensive force from either side of the lane and boxes out very well on the boards. He very long and wore a knee brace this year.  From what I was told he is lost his senior high school season to an ACL tear. Even with a brace, he seems to get well above the rim with ease.  If he puts on some weight, he may be the perfect compliment to Perez inside.  White seems to be a leaper and more suited to the small forward position rather than the power forward slot.  Brown got into 19 games and my guess is he will be part of the guard rotation next year.  He is a good passer and can elevate over a lot of defenders.

In the games I managed to get to, Stewart looked to be the most polished and well-rounded offensive player of their big guy group.  Again, I think a bit undersized at center, but he did a great job of creating space to get off that 6 to 8 foot jumper.  He also was strong enough to attack the rim even against slightly bigger players.  The one feature I felt I brought that the others did not was the elbow/free throw line jumper.  Why he fell into the proverbial ‘dog house’, I cannot say.  One could make guesses or assumptions, but that would be unfair to the player & coach.

It would appear that Kyle Nadeau will take over for Lirette at PG.  Ben Etten will most likely remain in the small forward/guard slot. Jeff Robinson will most likely move into Jerome Kirkland’s position.  Ryan Stock will most likely be involved in coming off the bench in both a guard and small forward role.  Todd Rappaport will join Brown as part of the guard rotation coming of the bench.  They will provide a some size at the guard position as well.

Overall, WPI should again be the top team in the NEWMAC.  MIT may have Billy Johnson back, but who knows what kind of team Coach Anderson will have to patch together next year.  Springfield beat WPI in the tournament, but they lose two key starters in Strawson & White.  They will do better in the regular season next year, but I do not think they can overtake WPI.  Clark gave WPI its only conference loss in the regular season and they will have the ROY back in Brian Vayda, but they lose 2 of their top 5 scorers.  Wheaton graduates 5, but only Mark Sullivan & Nick Michel were big factors.  Babson loses four, including Zach Etten and Pat Belniak.  Coast Guard will have to find someone to fill Craig Johnson’s shoes.

Right now, I have not seen anything about committed incoming freshman.  I guessing that that our current economic mess has put a lot more stress & strain on families with kids starting college this fall.  Overall financial aid packages & a very strong focus on the academic avenue will most likely outweigh basketball concerns this year.

Feel free to offer up any other insights on WPI or other teams in the conference!
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: WPI89 on March 10, 2009, 10:41:45 am
NEWMAC - 2 Jostens in a row!

Congrats to both teams (MIT/WPI) proving academics and hoops can co-exist!
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 10, 2009, 10:42:41 am
Two out of three -- Troy Ruths of Wash U won it last year.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: WPI89 on March 10, 2009, 10:51:27 am
Correct - sorry - Cain felt like last year!
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: massd3fan on March 12, 2009, 07:30:58 am
Come on now, surely someone out there has some more closing thoughts on this season.  Some insights for next year.  News on incoming players.  Some Congrats for an outgoing senior.

Ok, I'm grasping at straws, but I'm trying to keep the conversation going.  In couple more weeks, my wife will have the annual spring cleaning list posted and my time on the computer will be even more limited than it is now.  LOL
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: T990 on March 12, 2009, 11:13:23 pm
Steve Buckley article on MIT (from last week):

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/college/basketball/view.bg?articleid=1156361&format=text
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on March 13, 2009, 03:58:10 pm
Here is something interesting I found out today.  Bartolotta's ankle injury suffered in the third to last regular season game (against Babson, causing him to miss the game vs. WPI) wasn't as insignificant as initially made out to be by the team.  From what I hear, it wasnt anything too serious (he would have been fine if he could have sat out 2-3 weeks to let it heal), but because of the impending NEWMAC tourney and the end of his career, he played through it.  He didnt look the same to me though and now I know why.  The stats seem to support that as well:

Here is a comparison between his first 23 games and the 6 games he played with the injury:

GamesFGMFGAFG%3FGM3FGA3%FTMFTAFT%RPGAPGTOPGSPGBPGPPG
First 23 games21040452.08217347.415117984.45.73.02.32.21.528.4
Final 6 Games5011443.9134528.9344281.08.22.72.51.21.324.5

All his stats are essentially down across the board (except for rebounds).  Obviously an ankle injury will hurt your elevation and quickness the most, and this is clearly apparent:  his shooting percentage is down over 8% after the injury, his 3% is almost down 20%, he is making 1.0 less steals per game, and scoring 4 points less per game while taking 1.5 more shots per game.  Clearly he wasnt getting the elevation needed to shoot 3s at the nearly 50% he shot before his injury (his 2PT% only dropped from 55.4% to 53.6% after the injury, so the 8% drop in shooting percentage is almost completely due to his drop in shooting from 3, which is likely a result of his decreased elevation on his shot). Needless to say, if he was healthy they may have done even better than they already did, but I am not complaining, they had a great season as it was.  His team did have a better winning percentage after the injury though (5-1 after the injury, 83.3%, compared to 18-8, 69.2%), so I guess he was doing something right after he came back.

Also, no need to worry, I hear that after a couple weeks of rest Jimmy will be back on the hardwood at 100% training for his Euro career.  Too bad this injury didnt come earlier in the season so that he would have had the opportunity to take a couple weeks off to heal up (a la Kent Raymond) and come back 100% for the tourney.  I guess it wasnt meant to be but I wish him the best in his career in Europe!
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: T990 on March 14, 2009, 12:12:02 am
Farmingdale State defeats Bridgewater State tonight, 84-64, to move to 27-3 and into the Elite 8.  The Rams take on Richard Stockton (28-2) for a spot in the Final 4.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on March 14, 2009, 12:22:50 pm
Farmingdale State defeats Bridgewater State tonight, 84-64, to move to 27-3 and into the Elite 8.  The Rams take on Richard Stockton (28-2) for a spot in the Final 4.

Stockton is tough.  They are extremely athletic.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: T990 on March 15, 2009, 08:15:59 pm
An article from the MIT campus paper about the basketball program and its affect on student life:

http://tech.mit.edu/V129/N12/mbasketball.html
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on March 16, 2009, 10:57:22 am
Article in the Globe:

http://www.boston.com/sports/colleges/extras/colleges_blog/2009/03/mits_bartolotta.html
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on March 17, 2009, 06:13:14 pm
Congrats to Jimmy Bartolotta for being named Northeast Player of the Year and to the All-Northeast 1st-Team.  Another great accomplishment to cap off a great career.

Craig Johnson made the 2nd-Team.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on March 20, 2009, 06:53:37 pm
Congrats to Jimmy Bartolotta for being named the NABC New-England Player of the Year. He was the only NEWMAC representative on the two teams named.

Full release:

http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/nabc/genrel/auto_pdf/D3all-district.pdf
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: clarkie on March 20, 2009, 11:41:56 pm
I haven't been following D3Hoops since the two NEWMAC teams were eliminated, but did want to wish a huge congratulations to Jimmy Bartolotta. An unbelievable player and what it seems, an unbelievable person as well. Wishing he and MIT all the best in the future.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on March 21, 2009, 11:30:31 pm
MITs release on Bartolotta receiving Jostens Award today:

http://mitathletics.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/032009aac.html
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on March 22, 2009, 09:33:01 am
Congrats to Jimmy Bartolotta for being named as a First-Team All-American and National POY of the year by d3hoops.  Another great accomplishment on his great career.

http://www.d3hoops.com/all-american/menallam09.htm
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on March 29, 2009, 10:23:54 pm
If you havent heard, Bartolotta will be playing in the D1 Seniors All-Star game Detroit (played at Ford Field, the site of the D1 Final 4).  He was invited to play for being selected the NABC D3 POY.  He will also receive his POY award at the event.  You can find more information about the game at the final 4 website.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 31, 2009, 10:55:21 am
If you havent heard, Bartolotta will be playing in the D1 Seniors All-Star game Detroit (played at Ford Field, the site of the D1 Final 4).  He was invited to play for being selected the NABC D3 POY.  He will also receive his POY award at the event.  You can find more information about the game at the final 4 website.

I hope he gets enough practice time so he can hit those threes in such a big arena.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on March 31, 2009, 11:13:22 am
If you havent heard, Bartolotta will be playing in the D1 Seniors All-Star game Detroit (played at Ford Field, the site of the D1 Final 4).  He was invited to play for being selected the NABC D3 POY.  He will also receive his POY award at the event.  You can find more information about the game at the final 4 website.

I hope he gets enough practice time so he can hit those threes in such a big arena.

I just hope his ankle is back to 100% so he can get the lift on his shot he needs to shoot like he did the first 23 games of the season.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on March 31, 2009, 08:17:24 pm
Rosters were announced today for the NABC/Hershey's All-Star Game to be played at the Final Four this weekend.  In all, only 20 players were selected, that comprise two teams: The Hershey's All-Stars and The Reese's All-Stars.  Jimmy Bartolotta is on the Hershey's All-Star team, which appears to be the weaker of the two teams.  The Reese's All-Stars have Tyrese Rice from BC, Alex Ruoff from WVU, BJ Raymond from Xavier, Alfred Aboya from UCLA, Marcus Landry from Wisconsin, and Josh Heytvelt from Gonzaga and they are coached by Bruce Weber and Matt Painter.  The Hershey's team doesnt have any really big name players.

Full release: http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/nabc/genrel/auto_pdf/Hersheys.pdf
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: massd3fan on April 01, 2009, 07:49:17 am
Congratulations to Jimmy Bartolotta - Give those D1 boys hell !

Great Pub for the NEWMAC too !
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on April 01, 2009, 10:57:49 am
Bartolotta is the only non-scolarship player that is playing in the game.  I hope he represents MIT, the NEWMAC, and d3, in general, well.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: nescac1 on April 01, 2009, 11:17:59 am
Bartolotta's team also has Ben Woodside, who tore Kansas to shreds.  Really fun player to watch ...
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on April 01, 2009, 11:00:29 pm
Andy Katz blog that includes some comments about the NABC All-Star game:

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=4033468&name=katz_andy
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on April 03, 2009, 07:29:44 pm
I was able to watch about 3/4 of the NABC All-Star game today and the Reece's team beat the Hershey's team 105-100.  I havent seen a boxscore, but in the part of the game I saw, Bartolotta played about 5 minutes and made a shot. Heytvelt was clearly the best player in the game, he dominated in the second half.

In the middle of the second half, they did a nice feature on Bartolotta, outlining his stats and doing a live interview from the bench.  You had your typical questions about being a student at MIT, but it was clear by the last question that the lady doing the interview didnt have a ton of background because she asked him whether he would try ot play in the NBA next year, to which Bartolotta chuckled and answered he was going to try to play in Europe.  Anyway, it was nice exposure and I am sure he will have fun receiving his POY award this weekend.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on April 03, 2009, 08:48:35 pm
Boxscore for the All-Star game, for those who are interested:

http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/gonz/sports/m-baskbl/auto_pdf/NABCBox.pdf
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 03, 2009, 08:54:42 pm
Just eight minutes? Sheesh. Why'd they bother to bring him out there?
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on April 03, 2009, 09:21:20 pm
Just eight minutes? Sheesh. Why'd they bother to bring him out there?

I agree, Bruce Weber seemed to play the members of his team much more evenly, alot of times he would just sub in a new line (each team only had 10 players), therefore everyone played 20+-4 minutes (6 players played exactly 20 minutes, including the D2 player, and 1 each played 24, 22, 18, and 16 minutes, respectively). It seemed  like Nolan Richardson was really playing for the win and managed it more like a regular season game, playing his first team for 24-27 minutes, although Bartolotta did play the least of anyone.  The spotlight and interview with him in the second half were really nice though.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: remsleep on April 04, 2009, 12:30:25 am
That's why "Coach" Richardson has "progressed" from being an NCAA DI Champion to the prized position of coaching the Mexican National team.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on April 04, 2009, 01:57:54 pm
Yeah, the game wouldnt have been close if Weber would have played Heytvelt and Rice the whole game.  The reason the game was close because both those players only played 20 minutes each.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on April 05, 2009, 02:54:51 pm
Just saw this:

http://www.boston.com/sports/columnists/bob_ryan_blog/

Looks like Bob Ryan of the Boston Globe agrees with what I said about Bartolotta's minutes and his overall play.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on April 07, 2009, 11:10:31 pm
MIT picks up a top 150 in NE recruit (based on newenglandrecruitingreport), Mitchell Kates.  He apparently had interest from some Ivy League schools (http://cornellbasketball.blogspot.com/2008/12/recruiting-news_19.html), but chose to go with MIT.  He will have the oppurtunity to compete immediately for the starting point guard position, after the graduation of Brad Gampel.  From what I hear, he is the real deal and should be the starting PG by the end of the season, if not immediately. 

If everything holds as expected, MIT will also get back one of their top scorers from two years ago, Dan McCue, who sat out last season with injury.  He should fill some of the void left by the departure of Jimmy Bartolotta.  Billy Johnson is also expected to return for a 5th year, because he had a medical redshirt two years ago.  Johnson could start at the 4 or 5, depending on the size of the other recruits MIT has coming in (I will provide more details as I receive them).  Jamie Karraker is the leading candidate to start at the shooting guard spot, while Eric Zuk could also start compete for a starting spot.  Billy Bender, who really emerged as a cluth performer for the team last year, could also compete for a spot. 

I cant see coach Anderson playing a small lineup like last year unless he absolutely has to.  Therefore, I think any good incoming post player could have a shot at significant minutes or a starting spot (along with Bender).  This would allow Billy Johnson to play closer to his true position of small forward, rather than having to play the 5 like he did last season.  That could mean, however, that a starter from last years team would have to come off the bench.  That is, unless Coach Anderson plays McCue at the point, but I think Kates will end up winning that job.  Therefore, with McCue definitely starting at the 2 or 3 and Johnson starting ath the 4 or 5, either Karraker or Zuk will likely come off the bench (unless they go small like they did last year and play Johnson at the 5).  It will be interesting to see how the rest of MITs recruiting class will look like.  They will obviously have a huge void, losing two top seniors, but I think they have a good nucleus coming back to lead this team and some potential top-notch recruits that could really contribute.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 07, 2009, 11:53:19 pm
Do they still have guys enrolled who aren't playing and might come back?
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: jamiejohn on April 08, 2009, 08:59:00 am
From what i hear ted eby, and Erich Bracht the former ROY are still in school
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on April 08, 2009, 10:40:31 am
Do they still have guys enrolled who aren't playing and might come back?

There is a whole bunch of players who are still in school that arent playing, but I doubt any of them will come back.  Eby and Bracht are two of those players.  There are several other players who never played or quit before seeing any game action (Paul Burkard, Garrett Fritz, etc.).  I would be surprised to see any of them come back.

From what I hear, though, the MIT coaches are trying to take these past experiences into account when recruiting and trying to get players who are more passionate about the game and a bit tougher.  It also helps recruiting that the program is getting more exposure, so they may have players consider them who in the past would not have (previously, they may have just been going with whatever they could get). 

Coach Anderson always does a great job regardless of the players he has.  I hope that this past year is just the start for MIT and that they continue to get the players that will make them a contender in the NEWMAC, the northeast, and nationally for years to come.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: massd3fan on April 08, 2009, 03:01:49 pm
Not much noise on the recruiting front so far this year.  I would expect that will change in the few weeks as all the Financial Aid packages go out.

With the current economic mess, I guessing most people lost a good piece of whatever they had been able to set aside for college bills.  This year, I am sure that those aid packages will have more to do with where most kids end up than a basketball program.  This is especially true for the D3 landscape.

Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on April 08, 2009, 04:47:50 pm
More recruiting news from MIT.  I did some more research and here some more MIT commits, including what sound like some really good players.  These are in addition to Mitchell Kates, whom I wrote about earlier (ranked a top 150 recruit in NE by newenglandrecruitingreport.com).

Will Tashman, Menlo School (CA)
6'8" Power Forward
Inside/outisde threat who can shoot the 3.  Named MVP of his league in California.  He was also recruited by: Cal Poly-Pomona, Claremont College, and Washington University in St. Louis

Fun Fact: Tashman went to the same High School as, and played on the basketball team with, Jerry Rice Jr. (yes, that Jerry Rice), who is playing football at UCLA next year.

Sources: http://www.paloaltoonline.com/news/show_story.php?id=11754,
http://www.smdailyjournal.com/article_preview.php?type=sports&id=106775,
http://www.menloschool.org/news/detail.asp?pageaction=ViewSinglePublic&LinkID=1914&ModuleID=26
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2EJvBCbar0



Ben Montgomery, Severn School (MD)
6'7" Power Forward/Center
He was also recruited by: Harvard and Princeton (see Source 1)

Source: http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/sports/college/recruiting/2008/09/aau_summer_recap_marylandseverna_park_3d_2009.html,
http://www.hoopgroup.com/hoopgroup/hgh/hgh_latest.pdf



Jimmy Burke, Seton Hall Prep (NJ)
5'10" Guard
Was ranked as one of the Top 200 players in the country in the class of 2009 a year ago by hoop scoop (see source 1).

http://www.basketballforum.com/high-school-aau-basketball/385044-high-school-top-class-2009-updated.html
http://insider.espn.go.com/ncb/recruiting/tracker/player?recruitId=43069&season=2009
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyStD83h2Rc


Devin Dee, Burlingame (CA)
6'2" Guard
Honorable-Mention All-league as a senior.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: nescac1 on April 09, 2009, 07:49:13 am
Sounds like an impressive group -- now the coach just has to keep them on the team, as demonstrated in the past, no easy feat with the academic pressures of MIT!  Ya have to wonder how far MIT could have gone last year if a few of the big-time recruits had stuck with hoops ...

Tashman went to the same school as Williams' top player Blake Schultz (in fact, I am surprised Ephs didn't make a big push for him, or at least if they did, I didn't hear about it), who was likely player of the year in that conference -- obviously, that worked out pretty well for the Ephs, so I imagine Tashman will make a big impact. 
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on April 09, 2009, 10:28:39 am
Sounds like an impressive group -- now the coach just has to keep them on the team, as demonstrated in the past, no easy feat with the academic pressures of MIT!  Ya have to wonder how far MIT could have gone last year if a few of the big-time recruits had stuck with hoops ...

Tashman went to the same school as Williams' top player Blake Schultz (in fact, I am surprised Ephs didn't make a big push for him, or at least if they did, I didn't hear about it), who was likely player of the year in that conference -- obviously, that worked out pretty well for the Ephs, so I imagine Tashman will make a big impact. 

I am not sure what Williams' interest was, but I have only heard really good things about Tashman.  It is also nice to see MIT win some of these recruiting battles.  Anytime you get a player that was recruited by a school like WashU or an Ivy, you know the kid you are getting can definitely play.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on April 09, 2009, 11:16:18 am
Sounds like an impressive group -- now the coach just has to keep them on the team, as demonstrated in the past, no easy feat with the academic pressures of MIT!  Ya have to wonder how far MIT could have gone last year if a few of the big-time recruits had stuck with hoops ...

Just to respond to this point, I really dont think academics had anything to do with the big name players that quit in the past.  These guys just didnt love the game.  Ted Eby, for example, quit basketball so he could do crew.  He didnt quit so he could sit in his room and study 24/7.  All these guys are doing other things besides just academics.  If they wanted to, they could be playing and doing just as well in school.  Some people may use the academics as an excuse to quit, but if they really wanted to they could make basketball and school work.  I am not trying to say the academics arent difficult at MIT, because it can be challenging.  You will obviously need to put in the the time in the classroom and studying, but its not like the 2 hours of practice a day is going to have a negative impact on your grades.  The people that quit just wanted to do other things in their free time more than they wanted to play basketball.    If basketball doesnt mean anything to you its easy to use academics as an excuse to quit the team.  However, you can see that the guys who really want to do both stay and are very successful.  I know I talk about Bartolotta a lot, but he double-majored in Physics and Business, has over a 4.6/5.0 GPA, and we all know what he did.  Same goes for Gampel and Johnson.  I am sure that the same can be said at any school.

I know for a fact  that every player that Coach Anderson recruits is recruited because he thinks that that player can be a contributor for MIT.  He doesnt recruit in the hopes of retaining a certain percentage.  He recruits players that he knows can play.  Therefore, from what I hear, due partly to the recent defections, MIT has shifted their recruiting practices slightly and are trying to find guys that really love the game (guys who played AAU, worked at or went to summer camps, etc.), not just players that look good on paper.   I think you will see that the guys that are coming in this year and over the next couple years will all remain on the team because they are guys that really love the game. 
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on April 09, 2009, 01:10:09 pm
Article about Mitchell Kates going to MIT.  Apparently he had interest from not only the Ivies but other scholarship programs as well:

http://newenglandrecruitingreport.com/news/article/760/Kates-Distasio-Headline-Division-III-Commitments.php


I guess this was released a week ago, but I just saw it for the first time:

http://www.ecacsports.com/sports/winter/mbkb/AllStars/2008-09/ECAC_Mbkb_All-Stars_-_D3_NE.pdf?dec=


Jimmy Bartolotta picks up New England POY honors from the ECAC and was also named to the first team.

Brian Vayda was named New England ROY and Craig Johnson was named to the second team
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on April 10, 2009, 03:50:58 pm
Jimmy Bartolotta has been selected to play in the New England Division III Senior Men’s Basketball All-Star game. The contest will take place on Sunday, April 19 (3:00 p.m.), at Babson College, with all proceeds benefiting the Coaches vs. Cancer campaign.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on April 10, 2009, 03:55:18 pm
Some more media about the MIT recruits:

Ben Montgomery
http://www.digitalsports.com/video/id/1812744.aspx


Mitchell Kates
http://www.digitalsports.com/article/type/organization/typeid/117790/id/21839.aspx
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: T990 on April 12, 2009, 09:31:02 am
The TV news report by Mike Dowling of WCVB Channel 5 in Boston about MIT earning its first ever NCAA bid is on YouTube (see link below).  It aired on March 6, 2009.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtLVibNSj7U
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on April 17, 2009, 10:17:27 pm
Article on Tashmen's commitment:

http://www.insidebayarea.com/sanmateocountytimes/ci_12160192
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 22, 2009, 11:34:24 am
Another MIT commit, Devin Dee. Story also mentions Tashman.

http://bit.ly/X3Z6h
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on April 27, 2009, 10:02:02 pm
MIT record book is now updated through this year:

http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/mit/sports/m-baskbl/auto_pdf/MensBasketballRecordBook.pdf

Bartolotta is mentioned 77 times, Brad Gampel is mentioned 10 times, and Bill Johnson gets in 4 times (from what I hear, he is coming back for his final year of eligibility so he could add to that).

Bartolotta holds 2 single game records, 8 single season records (all but one came this season), and 6 career records.  He is ranked in 18 of 24 season and career categories that are tabulated (including essentially every offensive category both total and percentage-wise, career rebounds, season and career blocks, season and career steals, and career 30 point games (he had 23)).  Great collegiate career.  Only question is where will he play next?
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on May 07, 2009, 09:52:56 pm
MIT picks up another recruit in 6'2" guard Nick Sather from George Washington High School in Colorado.  Colorado has been good to MIT in the past (they have had a player from Colorado on the roster for as long as I can remember, and will continue that streak with Sather).  George Washington is the same high school Chauncey Billups went to.  MIT appears to be bringing in a strong class. 
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on May 08, 2009, 09:23:20 pm
HUGE recruiting news out of MIT. They pick up a 2-star national recruit and he also plays MIT's most lacking position in recent years, the 5.

MIT rounds out their incoming class of 7 with a big time D1 transfer from Brown (he will be a sophomore this coming year).  Noel Hollingsworth had a lot interest from many of the top tier d1 academic programs coming out of high school (see the link from rivals.com). 

http://rivalshoops.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?pr_key=59321&sport=2

He will provide much needed play in the post for MIT and looks like the most likely candidate as the starting 5.  Coach Anderson could now have the option of possibly moving over Will Tashman to start at the 4 and have 6'8" Bill Johnson starting at the 3.  Obviously, one of them could also come off the bench, but it will be nice for Coach Anderson to have some options finally.

Some other links:

http://cornellbasketball.blogspot.com/2007/06/scout.html

http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:0tBSaJqmgFAJ:scouthoops.scout.com/2/612086.html+noel+hollingsworth+recruit&cd=5&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

If you do a google search for him you will find a few thousand links, so I am not going to list all of them here, but you get the idea.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: T990 on May 09, 2009, 10:32:18 am
Just wondering, what are the rules on transfer eligibility from D1 to D3.  Have to sit out a year, or eligible immediately?
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on May 09, 2009, 11:25:19 am
Just wondering, what are the rules on transfer eligibility from D1 to D3.  Have to sit out a year, or eligible immediately?

Eligible immediately.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 09, 2009, 01:59:08 pm
If they were eligible at the school they are leaving.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: massd3fan on May 11, 2009, 08:44:51 am
Hugenerd,

   Sorry it has been a while, I hope your family is doing well & that your wife enjoyed a great Mother's Day.

   Sure looks like MIT is stealing all the off-season thunder.  I was looking at Brown's site & Hollingsworth was not even listed on the roster.  He is in the stat sheet (6 games - 23 minutes).  Any idea what happened to him there?  It appears  that he did not play in the 2nd semester (not in any of the game stat sheets including blowouts).  Was it a grades issue?, or dissatisfaction with his role n the program there at Brown ?

   Any insight on other NEWMAC recruits?  I have seen a few things on NERR, but have not heard much else at all.  I see that Clark, Babson & Wheaton have picked up a few players.   I have not seen or heard anything about Coast Guard, WPI or Springfield.

I will be posting this on the baseball site too, but since its more historic NEWMAC news I thought I would throw it out here as well.

Congratulations to the WPI baseball team!  They have had the greatest baseball season in school history and will played for the first time ever in the D3 NCAA Baseball Championship Tournament!

Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: tball on May 11, 2009, 04:54:36 pm
Hollingsworth had to leave the team before the end of the season in order to establish his release and meet MIT's application deadline:

http://www.brownbears.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/hollingsworth_noel00.html

He committed under Craig Robinson who ran a Princeton offense with post sets.  The new coach runs a lot of 4 guard sets.

Other links of note:

http://ncaabbs.com/showthread.php?tid=290157

http://www.times-news.com/localsports/local_story_075000304.html

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4188/is_20080115/ai_n21202266/

http://www.icatholic.org/indstory/2008/200822p23.html


Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on May 11, 2009, 08:25:41 pm
Hugenerd,

   Sorry it has been a while, I hope your family is doing well & that your wife enjoyed a great Mother's Day.

   Sure looks like MIT is stealing all the off-season thunder.  I was looking at Brown's site & Hollingsworth was not even listed on the roster.  He is in the stat sheet (6 games - 23 minutes).  Any idea what happened to him there?  It appears  that he did not play in the 2nd semester (not in any of the game stat sheets including blowouts).  Was it a grades issue?, or dissatisfaction with his role n the program there at Brown ?

   Any insight on other NEWMAC recruits?  I have seen a few things on NERR, but have not heard much else at all.  I see that Clark, Babson & Wheaton have picked up a few players.   I have not seen or heard anything about Coast Guard, WPI or Springfield.

I will be posting this on the baseball site too, but since its more historic NEWMAC news I thought I would throw it out here as well.

Congratulations to the WPI baseball team!  They have had the greatest baseball season in school history and will played for the first time ever in the D3 NCAA Baseball Championship Tournament!



Thanks for the well wishes, massd3fan.  I hope you and your family are well also. 

I think tball has answered this, but I just wanted to say that Hollingsworth would not have been admitted to MIT if he had had a grade issue at Brown (I am pretty sure he was admitted to MIT straight out of high school, as well).  I dont know him, so I cant really speculate on why he changed schools, but I am glad he did.  I was able to see him play recently and he definitely has very good post moves.  He doesnt look like the most athletic kid, but if he is in shape, he will absolutely dominate in the post in the NEWMAC, if not all of d3, at 6'9" and being able to do a minihook with both hands in the post. 


I dont know much about any other NEWMAC recruiting news so if anyone else has anything, by all means.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: remsleep on May 11, 2009, 11:29:01 pm
I am admittedly short on detail here, but I can tell you that my "sources" indicate that although MIT seems to have done fairly well in the recruiting process this Spring, it is Wheaton that has come up with a stacked incoming class in the NEWMAC...including a 7-footer in the post...we'll see how it all plays out next winter.   Was stated to me that Amherst, Wesleyan and Wheaton came out on top in New England D3 in terms of best recruiting classes this Spring.    Anyone care to comment with more specifics than I am able to offer?
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on May 12, 2009, 02:19:25 am
I am admittedly short on detail here, but I can tell you that my "sources" indicate that although MIT seems to have done fairly well in the recruiting process this Spring, it is Wheaton that has come up with a stacked incoming class in the NEWMAC...including a 7-footer in the post...we'll see how it all plays out next winter.   Was stated to me that Amherst, Wesleyan and Wheaton came out on top in New England D3 in terms of best recruiting classes this Spring.    Anyone care to comment with more specifics than I am able to offer?

So checking New England Recruiting Report, Wheaton appears to have 4 recruits listed, including the 6'11" Michael Hall from St. John's Prep, who I believe you spoke of.  They are also getting a 6'6" Forward and a couple 6'3" wing players.  If I have the correct Michael Hall, he is also listed on Rivals, which is pretty impressive.

I think if you are talking to people in New England, I think it is hard to accurately compare recruiting classes because people tend to only be familiar with local players.  The 3 schools you listed look like they have the 3 best incoming classes in d3, if you only consider players coming in from new england, but I think that is because outside talent isnt being accurately judged.  I think Williams has an exceptional class coming in with a few players from outside the region (as well as some from in the region), as well as MIT (who only has really one player who played in NE last year, their other 6 or so recruits are from out of the region). 
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: jamiejohn on May 12, 2009, 07:05:27 am
The Hall kid didnt even start for his high school team last year.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: massd3fan on May 12, 2009, 07:53:24 am
It will be interesting to see how these new big guys fair in the conference.  I saw very, very little in coaching style or on court ability to actually take advantage of low post mis-matches in the games I saw last season.
Most of the guards in this league have serious trouble making the lob entry to a big who is being fronted.

I think it's a stretch to say any big guy will dominate this conference, let alone all of D3 until we find out if his teammates understand how & when to get the ball into proper position in the low post.

I would enjoy seeing the low post game being developed more across the board in D3.  It seems to be it has become a lost art form in general.  Of course there is always the arguement of how much has the 3-ptr changed the game and taken away from more consistent low post play.  I for one feel the very best teams usually have a good balance between the two.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on May 12, 2009, 09:23:13 am
It will be interesting to see how these new big guys fair in the conference.  I saw very, very little in coaching style or on court ability to actually take advantage of low post mis-matches in the games I saw last season.
Most of the guards in this league have serious trouble making the lob entry to a big who is being fronted.

I think it's a stretch to say any big guy will dominate this conference, let alone all of D3 until we find out if his teammates understand how & when to get the ball into proper position in the low post.

I would enjoy seeing the low post game being developed more across the board in D3.  It seems to be it has become a lost art form in general.  Of course there is always the arguement of how much has the 3-ptr changed the game and taken away from more consistent low post play.  I for one feel the very best teams usually have a good balance between the two.

I guess the word "dominate" may have been a little strong.  I was thinking more relative to what MIT has gotten out of their post play in the past, and this years class is definitely a step up from previous years in true post men.  I guess we will have to wait and see how they do, but Coach Anderson definitely knows how to utilize his bigs, unfortunately he just hasnt had many to work with over the last few years.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on May 12, 2009, 10:44:48 am
I hear Wheaton's top 2 recruits (Hall and Cliff D) had some d1 interest and Hall is a legit 7-footer, but his game isnt as developed as his height.  Cliff D., their 6'7" recruit from Taft is a very strong aggressive kid, as is their 6'3" recruit from Brimmer and May.  Those 3 could be the starting 3, 4 and 5 for Wheaton next year, although Wheaton returns two seniors, Leo and Stehle, who started 22/ 26 and 26/26 games last year in those spots, so Coach Walmsley appears to have some options.  The 4th kid from Wilbraham & Monson is apparently a good shooter, so he will probably be a back up to Coppola, with Sasso the likely starting point guard.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: nescac1 on May 12, 2009, 02:39:10 pm
Basically, what hugenerd said.  From what I've heard Wesleyan has a large (at least seven guys, likely more) and absolutely stacked class, but some of the best players in the class (Sha Brown in particular) are actually from outside New England.  Even taking just the New England guys, Wesleyan has one of the best and deepest classes in the region.  Wesleyan should be a consistent regional contender within two years at this rate -- no surpise, as no way Reilly takes that job without some assurance about institutional commitment to improving the talent on campus. 

Williams has a very strong group, although zero guys from New England so far as I know.  But they have a pair of guards coming in (Klemm and Robertson) each with potential to be impact players early in their careers, three swingmen (at least two of whom have potential to contribute as early as sophomore year), and one big guy who may be more of a project.   Four of the six guys are from west of the Mississippi which is pretty unusual. 

Amherst has a loaded class coming in, but they generally clean up in region.  This year in particular though - seven well-regarded New England recruits, not too shabby.  Brandeis seems unusually quiet but maybe they are bringing in more guys from out of New England. 

With MIT, it does seem like most of their best players are from outside the region so hard to compare to guys like the Wheaton trio. The Brown transfer sounds impressive, although just being from D-I is no guarantee.  Coulibaly at Amherst got a lot more PT at Brown than this kid, and he never really made an impact in NESCAC despite a huge amount of hype.  That being said, not everyday that a two star national recruit ends up in D-III, so you figure he has the talent to do some big things early. 

As for Wheaton, some impressive forwards to complement their already loaded backcourt.   Anyone 6'11 with potential to contribute early will usually get snagged by D-I, so I'd imagine Hall is a big project (literally and figuratively).  But Wheaton I think may be most improved team in NEWMAC next year -- they graduate basically no major contributors, and have brought in loaded classes two of the last three years.  They are now a veteran team and if they play to their potential could easily win the conference. 

Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: tball on May 13, 2009, 11:59:08 am
Mitchell Kates is Ranked 145 by NERR, highest for a  NEWMAC recruit and higher than all but one of Amherst's recruits

Should be a good one at a need position, he was very productive at Exeter
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on May 13, 2009, 02:56:39 pm
Mitchell Kates is Ranked 145 by NERR, highest for a  NEWMAC recruit and higher than all but one of Amherst's recruits

Should be a good one at a need position, he was very productive at Exeter

I saw Kates play in person recently and he is very good.

Interestingly, the highest ranked player by NERR who is going d3 is going to the GNAC (Albertus Magnus).  Check out the GNAC board for the link to that player.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on June 09, 2009, 05:10:41 pm
CGA's coach, Pete Barry, retired after 19 seasons.

http://www.d3hoops.com/notables
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on June 21, 2009, 08:59:35 pm
Release on Jimmy Burke at NJ.com:

http://www.nj.com/hssports/news/boysbasketball/index.ssf/2009/05/seton_hall_preps_burke_peters.html
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on June 23, 2009, 10:06:50 pm
Article in the current issue of Technology Review (usually a research magazine, but is published by MIT) about the 2009 MIT basketball team:

http://www.technologyreview.com/article/22827/
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on June 25, 2009, 08:44:17 pm
Bartolotta played in a 8-team tourney in Italy last week with a Serie A (top division) team that made it to that league's semifinals last year.  He scored 14 points in 3 games playing with some ex-nba players, former d1 players, and some top Italian talent.  Release from MIT is here:

http://mitathletics.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/061609aaa.html

Also mentions it here:

http://www.masshightech.com/blog/tag/jimmy-bartolotta/

I believe Bartolotta now holds duel citizenship.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: lefrakenstein on July 02, 2009, 08:07:56 am

I believe Bartolotta now holds duel citizenship.

He probably holds dual citizenship, unless, you know, his citizenships plan to fight to the death to defend their honor or something.

Sorry, I usually wouldn't say anything, but the off season gets boring.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on July 11, 2009, 10:47:07 pm
Pat,

Just noticed that MIT's schedule was posted.  One question, you have MIT playing Clark 3 times, including back-to-back days at Clark on Jan 15-16.  Although it is possible that MIT would play a team 3 times, all 3 games are also marked as conference games, which I believe is not possible (NEWMAC has a double round robin format), so if it were true that they were playing 3 times, one would have to not count towards the conference standings.  Do you know what I am missing here?
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on July 11, 2009, 10:52:35 pm
I figured out the error in MITs schedule.  MIT does not play Clark on Jan. 15.  They instead play Harvard on December 28.  MITs link is here:

http://mitathletics.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/sched/mit-m-baskbl-sched.html

It will be interesting how the young squad performs this year, especially against a d1 team.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: T990 on July 12, 2009, 10:14:01 am
First, I'm surprised MIT is playing a D1 team again this season.  But, I'm also surprised the game would be at MIT.  Although the d3hoops schedule says it's at Harvard.

http://www.d3hoops.com/school/MIT/m/2010

Do you know who else is playing in the RPI Tournament?  I didn't see their 09-10 schedule on the RPI site, but apparently RPI will be playing in a brand new arena this year.  Anyone know if MIT is playing in the first basketball game ever in the new arena?

http://rpiathletics.com/news/2009/6/26/BB_0626095112.aspx

http://www.timesunion.com/AspStories/story.asp?storyID=813371&category=SPORTS

http://www.troyrecord.com/articles/2009/07/02/news/doc4a4c1e2a2fdeb452723711.txt

http://www.rpi.edu/giving/athletics.html
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on July 12, 2009, 06:42:27 pm
First, I'm surprised MIT is playing a D1 team again this season.  But, I'm also surprised the game would be at MIT.  Although the d3hoops schedule says it's at Harvard.

http://www.d3hoops.com/school/MIT/m/2010

There was a discussion about this on the Multi-region topics 2009-2010 schedules page yesterday.  I believe it is an error, as does Pat.  I heard about the game a while ago and I am almost certain it is at Harvard, unlesssomething changed and there is some reason that Harvard really wants to play at MIT (which I can think of any).
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on July 18, 2009, 11:28:04 pm
Jimmy Bartolotta has signed with an Italian sports agency, Two Points.  Most of the other players this agency represents play in the Italien Serie A, but there some in the D-League and top Greek and Australian leagues.  From what I hear, he hasnt signed with a team yet, likely because he is awaiting his Italian passport.

http://www.twopoints.it/newspage.php?notizia=391
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: BornBalla on August 11, 2009, 09:26:24 am
Whats the word out of CGA?Any inside scoops on the who the new coach will be?
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on August 20, 2009, 09:36:02 pm
Whats the word out of CGA?Any inside scoops on the who the new coach will be?


Coast Guard hires former assistant as their interim head coach:

http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/page/1
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on September 09, 2009, 10:59:38 am
For anyone who is interested, here are some highlight clips of Bartolotta from last season:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w15t3ncBbwA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-Q58VITdKw&feature=fvw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMvdGTZ62Uo&feature=related

Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on October 09, 2009, 02:15:11 pm
Congrats to Coach Larry Anderson of MIT for being named the Division III New England College Coach of the Year by the New England Basketball Hall of Fame.  Release is here:

http://www.mitathletics.com/sports/m-baskbl/2009-10/releases/Anderson_100709

Coach Anderson will be receiving his award this eveining at the Hall of Fame induction ceremony at Mohegan Sun.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on October 21, 2009, 01:41:00 pm
The Preseason top 25 poll is out and there are a couple of NEWMAC teams receiving votes (non are ranked):

WPI: received 10 votes
MIT: received 3 votes
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: tball on October 21, 2009, 04:23:40 pm
Any word on who showed up when MIT practices began?  They have had some issue with this in recent seasons.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on October 21, 2009, 04:45:25 pm
Any word on who showed up when MIT practices began?  They have had some issue with this in recent seasons.

From what I hear, everyone who is supposed to be there is still with the team.  A lot of the guys they got this year truly love the game, which was not always true with some of their recruits in the past.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on October 21, 2009, 07:34:26 pm
Congrats to Jimmy Bartolotta for signing with Air Avellino of Italy's Serie A. The team had Demarcus Nelson (Duke), Dee Brown (Illinois), and Chevy Troutman (Pitt) on their roster last year, as well as Cenk Akyol of the Turkish national team (listed on eurobasket.com).
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: T990 on October 21, 2009, 10:37:06 pm
hugenerd, if any of Jimmy B's games are on the internet, I hope you let us know.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on October 21, 2009, 11:30:32 pm
So it looks like the roster I was looking at was current, here is the Lega website:

http://195.56.77.208/team/?teamid=1183

Looks like the addition of Bartolotta will round out the Air Avellino roster at 15.  I assume that he received his Italian passport because it is awfully hard to play in Serie A as a purely foreign player (Chevy Troutman, DeMarcus Nelson, and Dee Brown all were at least all league 1st team in their respective d1 conferences and were in NBA camps before being waived, Brown actually played in the NBA quite a bit before finding his way to Europe).  From what I hear Bartolotta will join the team some time in the next week.  I havent found any releases yet on the web about the signing, but I heard it from a very credible source (his name is not listed on any roster yet).

I havent heard about any games on the web, but if I hear of anything I will pass it along.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: tball on October 27, 2009, 06:49:44 pm
MIT roster is up:

http://www.mitathletics.com/sports/m-baskbl/2009-10/roster

14 players, 7 freshman
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on October 27, 2009, 08:26:35 pm
Official site of Air Avellino, Bartolotta is on the front page:

http://www.scandonebasket.it/

(The front page cycles 3 headlines, the first is a picture of Bartolotta, the third is a picture of DeMarcus Nelson.  I think thats pretty cool)

In the release it says something about him only being with the team for a few weeks, so I am not sure if he signed the equivalent of a 10 day contract or what.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on October 29, 2009, 09:57:47 pm
Official site of Air Avellino, Bartolotta is on the front page:

http://www.scandonebasket.it/

(The front page cycles 3 headlines, the first is a picture of Bartolotta, the third is a picture of DeMarcus Nelson.  I think thats pretty cool)

In the release it says something about him only being with the team for a few weeks, so I am not sure if he signed the equivalent of a 10 day contract or what.

Apparently the reason for Bartolotta only practicing for the next couple of weeks is because he is awaiting his Italian passport (the team is at its foreign player limit).  He should be playing once the technicalities are taken care of.  I believe the site above has a link to their games, but you may have to sign up or pay, the highlights for each game can be found on the main page, though.

http://www.eurobasket.com/Italy/basketball.asp?NewsID=175715
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on November 01, 2009, 07:46:07 pm
Bartolotta now listed on Air AV's roster (he's in there with some good company):

http://www.eurobasket.com/team.asp?Cntry=ITA&Team=2109


Release from his agency:

http://www.twopoints.it/newspage.php?notizia=443
Title: MIT - Emmanuel
Post by: bmull on November 13, 2009, 09:00:53 pm
Interesting opener Tuesday night - NCAA team vs GNAC runner-up - opinions?
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on November 13, 2009, 09:53:57 pm
The NCAA team is a much different team than it was last year, especially without their National POY who is now playing in Italy's Serie A.  MIT will not be as perimeter oriented this year.  They have 4 legit 6'8"+ guys on their team, all who will play (3 who will likely start).  MIT also has a really good freshman point guard to fill in for the 3 year starter they lost to graduation.  They are big, long, athletic and they seemingly have depth at every position, which is a big departure from last year's team.  I think the big question mark is their youth, lets see how long it takes all the young guys to get on the same page and get used to the college game.

I dont know much about Emmaneul, except they lost by 22 to MIT in last years opener.  Additionally, Emmaneul has only one player over 6'5" on their roster and no one over 6'7".  I think MIT will pound it into the paint and control the pace of the game.  I dont think the home court will help them that much, I think MIT will win.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: tball on November 14, 2009, 10:41:03 am
MIT home games available via webcast for $60:

http://www.mitathletics.com/genrel/2009-10/BasketballWebcast_1113-0
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on November 14, 2009, 02:04:37 pm
I saw MIT in their final exhibition/scrimmage today against Framingham State.  They looked pretty good.  As I described in my previous post, MIT has 4 guys 6'8"+ who play alot.  They won the first half 51-36 and the second half 43-38.  Game was a bit sloppy both ways with alot of fouls.  Noel Hollingsworth, MIT's 6'9" D1 transfer (from Brown), unofficially had 37 points.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: tball on November 14, 2009, 02:30:16 pm
encouraging,  how did Kates, Tashman & Burke look?
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on November 14, 2009, 04:24:02 pm
Kates looked really good, more defensively than offensively to be honest.  He really hassled their guards and caused alot of turnovers.  Offensively, he handled the ball well but didnt score much because he didnt have to.  Tashman played well, he is big and athletic, but he didnt play as much as I expected.  I honestly dont remember Burke playing, he may have, but he didnt do anything spectacular if he played.  He isnt going to see a ton of minutes this year, because he will be behind several guys.  The majority of the minutes at the 2 went to Eric Zuk and Billy Bender (both are 6'5" and also play the 3 or the 4, if they have to) because Jamie Karraker didnt play much because he is just getting back into the swing of things after an injury.  Pat Sissman backed up Kates and played solid.  The surprise, for me, was the number of minutes and how well Ben Montgomery played (another freshman).  He is a big kid (one of their 6'8"+ guys) and he is strong and athletic.  He was really causing trouble defensively and was active on the boards.  MIT can consistently play with a lineup that is 6'1", 6'5", 6'8", 6'8", 6'9", if they want to, which is pretty big for d3.  Billy Johnson (6'8"), Zuk (6'5"). Bender (6'5"), and Karraker (6'4") can all shoot the 3 as well, so they are going to be a bit of a riddle to guard.  Noel Hollingsworth really shined, though.  He is a tall, long kid and he knows how to use his body and get position underneath.  He also can finish with either hand and has a mini-hook that is essentially impossible to block. 

However, what stuck out the most in my eyes is how everyone has already bought into Coach Anderson's system.  They may not be as refined as Coach wants yet, but they were flying all over the court giving every ounce of effort they could.  They have a really good group of guys, so I am sure that their ceiling is as high as last year, if they continue listening to Coach and fine tune their execution. 
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: T990 on November 14, 2009, 07:00:12 pm
I don't know how this year's Framingham St team compares to last year, but last year they had wins over Williams, Brandeis, and Salem State.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on November 14, 2009, 07:12:21 pm
I don't know how this year's Framingham St team compares to last year, but last year they had wins over Williams, Brandeis, and Salem State.

Just checked their roster and it looks like they have at least their top 6 scorers back from last years team.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: tball on November 14, 2009, 07:32:27 pm
Not only does it appear that FSC has all five starters back, they are all seniors this year.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on November 14, 2009, 08:14:40 pm
Although they had some big wins, they were very inconsistent, finishing 15-13.  After losing to Williams by 11, they beat them by 3 four days later.  Similarly, they lost to Salem State at home by 22, beat them on the road by 4 two weeks later, and then lost to them by 23 on the road two weeks after that.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on November 17, 2009, 08:43:41 pm
MIT beats Emmanuel this evening on the road, 68-54. The margin could have been much larger, but MIT shot awful from the line (11-21) and also missed quite a few makeable shots (layups).  This was the first collegiate game for a lot of the players, so I would expect them to make those shots as they get more used to the college game.  Noel Hollingsworth had 15 and 11, Billy Johnson had 18 and 7, Mitchell Kates had 14, and Wil Tashman had 6 and 10.  Pretty sloppy game all-around for MIT (23 turnovers and only 43% FG), but they were able to get the win with 17 offensive boards (+17 boards overall), holding Emmanuel to 37% FG, and forcing 22 turnovers.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: tball on November 17, 2009, 10:19:58 pm
With two freshmen & a sophmore transfer starting and playing 30+ minutes (did Kates or Hollingworth come out in the second half?) the standard deviation may be quite high this season.

Two years from now may be very exciting though.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on November 17, 2009, 11:55:49 pm
I didnt notice Hollingsworth come out, but Pat Sissman played about 1/5-1/4 of the second half in place of Kates.  

In terms of the rotation, it looks like coach is currently going with an 8 man rotation.  3 are true freshman, 2 are sophomores (one of those is in his first year with the team as a transfer), 1 junior, 1 true senior, 1 red-shirt senior.  67% of the minutes were played by freshman or sophomores, and they scored 65% of the points.

Note: Jamie Karraker did not play tonight as he is still waiting to get to 100% after coming back from injury.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: T990 on November 18, 2009, 10:21:37 pm
Just noticing some early league scores from:

http://www.d3hoops.com/conference/NEWMAC/mens/2010

RIC in close wins over Clark and Springfield.

Springfield over Salem State 74-63 !

Emerson over Wheaton by 3.

Coast Guard plays Connecticut College on Friday.    

Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on November 20, 2009, 08:22:07 pm
10 minutes into the John Abbott game, and Coach Anderson is already playing his 3rd team guys.  MIT is up 27-4 (after a 21-0 run).

13 minutes into the game and MIT is playing four freshman and a sophomore who didnt see any gametime at all last season.  This is turning into an uncompetitive JV game really quickly.

MIT up 46-21 at the half.  Noel Hollingsworth has 19 points and 8 rebounds.


Final Score: MIT 78 - JAC 38

No starter played more than 17 minutes, Noel Hollingsworth had 21 and 8 in 17 minutes.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: T990 on November 21, 2009, 12:01:14 pm
Found the boxscore to the J. Abbott game here:

http://www.rpiathletics.com/sports/2009/11/20/MBB_1120093921.aspx?id=2535
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on November 21, 2009, 12:38:11 pm
Every player on MITs roster played at least 12 minutes.  There were only 5 FTs attempted the entire game by both teams combined (none in the second half).  What a waste of a game.  I wonder why RPI couldnt get another d3 school in their tourney (or at least a school from another division in the states). 
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on November 21, 2009, 05:36:02 pm
MIT squeeks past RPI, 56-55.  Was a close game but really sloppy play by MIT.  They shot 38% form the field, 27% from 3, and 40% from the FT line, had 25 turnovers, and gave up 13 offensive boards.  They were lucky to pull this one out, but I am glad they did. 

Mitch Kates really carried the team, going for an (early) career high of 22 points in 38 minutes of play.  Noel Hollingsworth added 12 and 9, Billy Bender chipped in 11 points.

MIT plays at Curry on Tuesday, before their home opener against Suffolk next Saturday.   MIT plays 6 of their first 7 games on the road (including their first 4).  Only 4 non-conference home games for MIT this year (9 away).
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: BBallers on November 21, 2009, 10:14:22 pm
I agree that MIT played really sloppy, but a win is a win.  Their bigs can really dominate.  However, it appears they have trouble defensively with the 3 bigs playing together.  Billy Johnson was the 3rd leading scorer in the conference last season and managed just 3 points in both tournament games.  I expect Coach Anderson will eventually correct this by playing him at the 4 position where he can shoot over shorter opponents or take similar sized opponents out to the 3-point line where he is a proven scorer.  MIT appeared to struggle when RPI used man defense as most of the MIT players cannot create their own shots.  It is still early in the season and this team has the potential to be as good or possibly better than last year's team that was the best team in MIT history.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on November 21, 2009, 10:35:03 pm
I agree that MIT played really sloppy, but a win is a win.  Their bigs can really dominate.  However, it appears they have trouble defensively with the 3 bigs playing together.  Billy Johnson was the 3rd leading scorer in the conference last season and managed just 3 points in both tournament games.  I expect Coach Anderson will eventually correct this by playing him at the 4 position where he can shoot over shorter opponents or take similar sized opponents out to the 3-point line where he is a proven scorer.  MIT appeared to struggle when RPI used man defense as most of the MIT players cannot create their own shots.  It is still early in the season and this team has the potential to be as good or possibly better than last year's team that was the best team in MIT history.

I agree completely.  The point you made is exactly why Katz had a huge game, he is a guy who can make things happen off the dribble for himself and therefore he did better with the man-to-man defense (he was the best guard in the tournament, as evidenced by winning the tourney MVP honors, Noel Hollingsworth was also on the all tourney team).  He is not a spot up shooter, but makes things happen.  By the way, Katz has 10 steals through 3 games (he could have had much more, he had 4 in 13 minutes against John Abbott), which would put him on pace for 100 if they play 30 games like last year.  Pretty good start for his career.

As for Johnson, I think he will get it going eventually.  He sometimes struggles on the road, but he plays very well at home consistently.  Dont forget that he scored 40 last year at home on senior day.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: T990 on November 22, 2009, 12:40:51 am
Congrats to MIT on gutting out a win on the road against the defending Liberty League champs.  Some significant stats:  Jamie Karraker DNP, Billy Johnson 3 total points in the tournament; vs RPI Kates had 1 Assist in 38 minutes, Hollingsworth 7 TOs (lots of traveling calls) and 5 PFs, but most of all the team shot a woeful 38% from the field.  Lots to improve on and sort out as the season progresses, especially their motion offense which wasn't producing efficiently.  But this is to be expected as they adding so many new players.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: BBallers on November 22, 2009, 03:38:22 pm
Agree with your comments on Mitch.  He is one of the few players on the team who can take someone off the dribble.  Bender is the other one.  Jamie did not do it well last season, but he improved in this area over the summer.  I can't wait until his back gets better because he is a pure shooter along with Billy Johnson.  BTW, not to discount Billy Johnson's 40 points because that was a remarkable game, but their opponent made the conscious decision to play a triangle-and-two defense against Jimmy and Jamie, leaving Billy alone for shots.  Please don't interpret this as discounting Billy's skills as I believe he is not only the best MIT player but may be the best player in the conference.  IMO, Billy is an average on-ball defender, dribbler and passer, but an excellent rebounder and shooter and good post defender.  When playing the right position, he will begin to dominate again.

Comparing this team to last year's team:
Mitch vs. Bradley (Equal) Mitch is much better, but turns the ball over too much now.  Rated equal because Bradley was a senior and Mitch is a freshman.  Mitch will be better eventually.
Anybody vs. Jimmy (Advantage Last Year)  No question.
Sophomore transfer Noell, along with freshman Will and Ben are all better post players than we had last year (outside of Billy Johnson who is still here) and the other players are returning.  (Advantage this year).

Noell did do a lot of traveling over the summer and in practice, but he will overcome that.  He is a beast under the basket and has some good moves.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: tball on November 22, 2009, 08:25:48 pm
First let’s congratulate Coach Anderson and the MIT Team for winning the tournament this weekend

Second I’ll qualify my comments by stating I didn’t see the games this weekend - life interferes

Some observations from the box score and the play by play:   (accentuate the positive)

1.  MIT won the tournament.  The last several years they have come up short in tournament finals
2.  MIT started 3 new guys & played 5 new guys 10+ minutes against RPI
3.  RPI started 3 Seniors & 2 Juniors in the tournament and opened their new gym.  They were motivated
4.  RPI won their league last year
5.  Two of MIT’s new guys led the tournament in: scoring, rebounding, steals & blocks, and made the all tournament team
6.  It was established that Mitchell Kates is a stud
7.  MIT won without Jamie Karraker who will help scoring
8.  MIT won without Bill Johnson playing his best.  (there is no doubt he will fill it up in familiar gyms)
9.   MIT won a game where they didn’t play their best offensively
10.  A young team (on average) gutted out a win

There will be some growing pains but the future looks very bright
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on November 22, 2009, 09:31:41 pm
First let’s congratulate Coach Anderson and the MIT Team for winning the tournament this weekend

Second I’ll qualify my comments by stating I didn’t see the games this weekend - life interferes

Some observations from the box score and the play by play:   (accentuate the positive)

1.  MIT won the tournament.  The last several years they have come up short in tournament finals
2.  MIT started 3 new guys & played 5 new guys 10+ minutes against RPI
3.  RPI started 3 Seniors & 2 Juniors in the tournament and opened their new gym.  They were motivated
4.  RPI won their league last year
5.  Two of MIT’s new guys led the tournament in: scoring, rebounding, steals & blocks, and made the all tournament team
6.  It was established that Mitchell Kates is a stud
7.  MIT won without Jamie Karraker who will help scoring
8.  MIT won without Bill Johnson playing his best.  (there is no doubt he will fill it up in familiar gyms)
9.   MIT won a game where they didn’t play their best offensively
10.  A young team (on average) gutted out a win

There will be some growing pains but the future looks very bright

This may be pedantic, but just to clarify, RPI won their conference tourney - they finished third in the regular season behind St. Lawrence and Hamilton in the Liberty League.

I agree with all your points.  Kates came in with a lot of hype and he definitely shows that promise.  As he gains more experience running the offense, I look for him to keep his turnovers down and become a complete point guard.  Hollingsworth is unstoppable in the post, the only person who can stop him is himself (when he travels and fouls).  The team is much more complete this year and they can get production out of every position, and they can play both an inside and outside game.  Hopefully they will put it all together eventually and be as good or better than last years team.  It may take some time for Billy Johnson to adjust to his new role as a 3, but he is also coming off of an offseason injury, so I am not too concerned about his lack of production this weekend, especially since they got two Ws.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: toooldtoplay on November 23, 2009, 06:45:24 pm
My assessment of the first games is easy - best yet to come.  A young team that commits 20+ turnovers a game and still finds a way to win is impressive. You have to expect some of the TO's especially for Kates as a frosh in a new system with new teammates. I think Tashman has yet to find himself but show ability and will improve every game. Hollingsworth can dominate if not double teamed and the shooters should make teams pay.  Johnson is with new teammates and in a new position for him. Best is yet to come.  Carriker DNP this year - another positive as we move on. Burke seems to be able to play 1 or 2 effectively and can score. Montgomery is a big that can shoot the three and play D in the post.  Returning players need to figure out what the new guys can and can't do but Bender and Zuk look sharp starting the year.   Coach Anderson may have more options this year than in the past and can expand the offensive game to take advantage of some of those skills.

Best part of the season is the webcasts that are taking over at many colleges allowing us alumni to see more games than in the past. Is there any reason that every school doesn't webcast its games???
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on November 25, 2009, 08:16:52 am
Mitchell Kates dominated for MIT, enroute to 66-56 win at Curry.  Kates scored 28 points, on 10-12 from the field, had 9 rebounds, and 8 steals, all in 27 minutes of action.  Noel Hollingsowrth added 12 and 10, while Jimmy Burke added 12 points for MIT.

MIT hosts Suffolk on Saturday at 2 for their home opener.
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: toooldtoplay on November 25, 2009, 08:16:05 pm
I see that WPI beat Framingham (1-3) by 2 points.   WPI plays Curry on Dec 1.  May be a good indicator of the relative strength of each program this year.  I see from the boxscore less turnovers but still 16.  Any word on the overall game. Did MIT play well?
Title: Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
Post by: Hugenerd on November 25, 2009, 08:28:56 pm