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Jack Parkman

Quote from: BigPoppa on May 11, 2014, 04:44:56 PM
Quote from: Jack Parkman on May 11, 2014, 04:37:47 PM
Quote from: 108 Stitches on May 11, 2014, 04:31:43 PM
LeTu is in, they just beat CTX, first time in school history, congrats to the team, coaches and fans. Will be very exciting for them. Now the gnashing of teeth for GF, CTX and Chapman in the West.

I am going with this:

4. George Fox
5. LeTu
6. Fly in a Pool A from an upset conference

Illinois Wesleyan?

I would figure it will be someone close to a major airport so Illinois Wesleyan might be a good fit.

cubs

So how did the 14 Pool C teams do on opening day of Regionals today?
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W: Shenandoah, Stevens Point, Baldwin Wallace, Kean, Southern Maine, Tufts, Amherst, Marietta
L: Heidelberg, La Crosse, Moravian, RU-Camden, Rhodes

Only Heidelberg and Moravian were seeded such that a loss is a real surprise from a seed perspective, and I would argue Moravian really isn't when you look at who pitched against them. Reasonable people can differ I guess about Heidelberg but they also faced a team that had a better #1 than they did (Berg really doesn't have one). La Crosse and Rhodes were lower seeds and Camden was a 4 against a 5 -- pretty much a wash.

All of the W's were higher seeds except Stevens Point, which was a 4 against a 3 -- also pretty much a wash.

Inc: Birmingham Southern

So really, there were few true surprises among Pool C's.

Ralph Turner

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POOL C  2016

I have lifted this from the 2016 Regional Rankings board

Updated thru 05/08/2016

My quick run at this:
Bold font is Pool A bid.
Blue font is highest regionally- ranked team in the conference.
Italics is Pool B.

(As always, corrections are appreciated.)

Status updated as of 05/08/2016. (Records have not been changed.)


Quote from: John McGraw on May 05, 2016, 04:16:16 PM
Rankings - Regional Rankings

Last Updated - May 5, 2016


Central Region            
1   North Central (IL)               26-6-0 ( 0.813)   26-6-0 ( 0.813)   
2   Wartburg                               28-8-0 ( 0.778)   28-8-0 ( 0.778)   
3   Buena Vista                       26-8-0 ( 0.765)   26-8-0 ( 0.765)   
4   Washington-St. Louis       27-16-0 ( 0.628)   28-16-0 ( 0.636)   
5   Augustana (IL)                       23-12-0 ( 0.657)   23-12-0 ( 0.657)   
6   Webster                               22-12-0 ( 0.647)   24-13-0 ( 0.649)

NR    Midwest Conference   

Mid-Atlantic Region            
1   Misericordia   30-10-0 ( 0.750)   30-10-0 ( 0.750)   
2   TCNJ     28-8-0 ( 0.778)   28-8-0 ( 0.778)   
3   Keystone   27-8-0 ( 0.771)   27-8-0 ( 0.771)   
4   Johns Hopkins 26-11-2 ( 0.692)   26-11-2 ( 0.692)   
5   Ramapo   29-9-1 ( 0.756)   29-9-1 ( 0.756)   
6   Kean   24-14-0 ( 0.632)   24-14-0 ( 0.632)   
7   Haverford   24-12-0 ( 0.667)   24-12-0 ( 0.667)   
8   Rutgers-Camden   23-14-0 ( 0.622)   23-14-0 ( 0.622)   

NR   Landmark Conference
NR   MAC Commonwealth -- Widener
NR   Northeast Athletic Conference (multi-region conference)  Penn State - Berks

Mideast Region
            
1   La Roche   30-8-0 ( 0.789)   30-8-0 ( 0.789)   
2   Marietta   22-13-0 ( 0.629)   22-13-0 ( 0.629)   
3   Ohio Wesleyan   25-11-0 ( 0.694)   25-11-0 ( 0.694)   
4   CWRU   26-13-0 ( 0.667)   26-13-0 ( 0.667)   
5   Wooster   26-9-0 ( 0.743)   26-9-0 ( 0.743)   
6   Rose-Hulman   23-9-0 ( 0.719)   23-9-0 ( 0.719)   
7   Otterbein   24-7-0 ( 0.774)   25-7-0 ( 0.781)   
8   Adrian   23-8-0 ( 0.742)   24-9-0 ( 0.727)   
9   Denison   22-11-0 ( 0.667)   22-11-0 ( 0.667)

NR   Presidents Athletic Conference   

Midwest Region            
1   Wis.-La Crosse   26-7-0 ( 0.788)   26-7-0 ( 0.788)   
2   Concordia Chicago   28-9-0 ( 0.757)   28-9-0 ( 0.757)   
3   Wis.-Whitewater   22-9-0 ( 0.710)   22-9-0 ( 0.710)   
4   St. Thomas (MN)   23-9-0 ( 0.719)   23-9-0 ( 0.719)   
5   Saint Mary's (MN)   22-11-1 ( 0.662)   22-12-1 ( 0.643)   
6   Saint John's (MN)   25-9-0 ( 0.735)   25-10-0 ( 0.714)   

NR    Upper Midwest Athletic Conference

New England Region            
1   Southern Me.   25-11-0 ( 0.694)   25-11-0 ( 0.694)   
2   Wheaton (MA)   27-11-0 ( 0.711)   27-11-0 ( 0.711)   
3   Western New Eng.   28-9-0 ( 0.757)   28-9-0 ( 0.757)   
4   Amherst   21-10-0 ( 0.677)   21-10-0 ( 0.677)   
5   UMass Boston   24-12-0 ( 0.667)   24-12-0 ( 0.667)   
6   Endicott   25-13-0 ( 0.658)   25-13-0 ( 0.658)   
7   MIT   20-13-0 ( 0.606)   20-13-0 ( 0.606)   
8   Tufts   25-6-0 ( 0.806)   26-6-0 ( 0.813)   
9   Mitchell   27-9-0 ( 0.750)   27-9-0 ( 0.750)   
10   St. Joseph's (ME)   22-11-0 ( 0.667)   22-11-0 ( 0.667)

NR    North Atlantic Conference -- Castleton St
NR    GNAC  -- Suffolk
NR    Massachusetts State Collegiate Athletic Conference -- Salem State   

New York Region            
1   SUNY Cortland   34-5-0 ( 0.872)   34-5-0 ( 0.872)   
2   Oswego St.   28-7-0 ( 0.800)   29-7-0 ( 0.806)   
3   St. John Fisher   27-8-0 ( 0.771)   27-8-0 ( 0.771)   
4   Stevens   24-13-0 ( 0.649)   24-13-0 ( 0.649)   
5   Ithaca   20-14-0 ( 0.588)   20-14-0 ( 0.588)   
6   Brockport   22-16-0 ( 0.579)   22-16-0 ( 0.579)

NR   Liberty League   
NR   Skyline Conference

South Region
            
1   Emory   30-9-0 ( 0.769)   30-10-0 ( 0.750)   
2   Birmingham-So.   35-11-0 ( 0.761)   37-11-0 ( 0.771)   
3   Randolph-Macon   32-6-1 ( 0.833)   32-6-1 ( 0.833)   
4   Salisbury   25-10-0 ( 0.714)   25-10-0 ( 0.714)   
5   Shenandoah   32-9-0 ( 0.780)   32-9-0 ( 0.780)   
6   Frostburg St.   27-10-0 ( 0.730)   27-10-0 ( 0.730)

NR    Huntingdon   

West Region   
         
1   Trinity (TX)   33-7-0 ( 0.825)   35-7-0 ( 0.833)   
2   Cal Lutheran   27-10-0 ( 0.730)   27-11-0 ( 0.711)   
3   Whitworth   29-11-0 ( 0.725)   29-11-0 ( 0.725)   
4   Concordia (TX)   24-13-0 ( 0.649)   27-13-0 ( 0.675)   
5   Occidental   30-7-0 ( 0.811)   30-8-0 ( 0.789)   
6   Texas Lutheran   26-15-0 ( 0.634)   26-15-0 ( 0.634)

NR    Pacific Lutheran

augie_superfan

Was looking at some of the possible Pool C teams and a lot of them have hurt their chances in a big way.  It really appears to have softened the bubble quite a bit.  It will be interesting to see how these conference tournaments finish up.

Webster            1-2
Ohio Wesleyan  0-2
Adrian               0-2
St. Thomas       0-2
Endicott            1-2
Western NE       0-2
Stevens             0-2

ElRetornodelEspencio

Augie, I think those are very relevant. I've done some messing about with the picks and to be honest, no one has a beef if they don't get in because I think there are plenty of spots for the teams that have truly earned it.

From that list, I have Endicott still in and Ohio Wesleyan and Stevens among the last few teams under discussion.

I did my list a bit differently though. I looked mainly at results (not record, necessarily) vs. regionally ranked a lot more than W-L, and SOS was only a marginal factor (because it can be heavily influenced by playing just a few games against really bad teams; there should be an adjustment for that like D1 hockey has). So, for instance, I didn't rate Oswego, Wartburg, Buena Vista or New Jersey nearly as high as they are in the regional rankings right now (which is subject to change in the final committee sort).

And though they didn't quite make it in, I probably had Otterbein a lot closer than most. They played North Central (Minneapolis) 3 times, one of the worst teams in the country, which severely hurts their SOS by itself. Otterbein had as many games vs. regionally ranked as many much higher SOS teams, and won several of them. But their only win over a top half of a region team (Marietta) is counterweighted by two losses against them, and losing to La Roche.

BigPoppa

Quote from: ElRetornodelEspencio on May 14, 2016, 10:26:27 PM
Augie, I think those are very relevant. I've done some messing about with the picks and to be honest, no one has a beef if they don't get in because I think there are plenty of spots for the teams that have truly earned it.

From that list, I have Endicott still in and Ohio Wesleyan and Stevens among the last few teams under discussion.

I did my list a bit differently though. I looked mainly at results (not record, necessarily) vs. regionally ranked a lot more than W-L, and SOS was only a marginal factor (because it can be heavily influenced by playing just a few games against really bad teams; there should be an adjustment for that like D1 hockey has). So, for instance, I didn't rate Oswego, Wartburg, Buena Vista or New Jersey nearly as high as they are in the regional rankings right now (which is subject to change in the final committee sort).

And though they didn't quite make it in, I probably had Otterbein a lot closer than most. They played North Central (Minneapolis) 3 times, one of the worst teams in the country, which severely hurts their SOS by itself. Otterbein had as many games vs. regionally ranked as many much higher SOS teams, and won several of them. But their only win over a top half of a region team (Marietta) is counterweighted by two losses against them, and losing to La Roche.

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ElRetornodelEspencio

Quote from: BigPoppa on May 15, 2016, 08:44:19 PM
Quote from: ElRetornodelEspencio on May 14, 2016, 10:26:27 PM
Augie, I think those are very relevant. I've done some messing about with the picks and to be honest, no one has a beef if they don't get in because I think there are plenty of spots for the teams that have truly earned it.

From that list, I have Endicott still in and Ohio Wesleyan and Stevens among the last few teams under discussion.

I did my list a bit differently though. I looked mainly at results (not record, necessarily) vs. regionally ranked a lot more than W-L, and SOS was only a marginal factor (because it can be heavily influenced by playing just a few games against really bad teams; there should be an adjustment for that like D1 hockey has). So, for instance, I didn't rate Oswego, Wartburg, Buena Vista or New Jersey nearly as high as they are in the regional rankings right now (which is subject to change in the final committee sort).

And though they didn't quite make it in, I probably had Otterbein a lot closer than most. They played North Central (Minneapolis) 3 times, one of the worst teams in the country, which severely hurts their SOS by itself. Otterbein had as many games vs. regionally ranked as many much higher SOS teams, and won several of them. But their only win over a top half of a region team (Marietta) is counterweighted by two losses against them, and losing to La Roche.

I just figured out who you are ;D Welcome back!!! Been a long time, my friend! Too long!

Haha well it wasn't exactly a disguise. Just trying to be a kinder, gentler me.

Looks like you have things going pretty well up there. Do you know if d3b is doing a mock selection?

Ralph Turner

Mock Selection should be up later tonight.

ElRetornodelEspencio

It's up now.

Suffice it to say, the crack mock team and I have some differences. :)

You all didn't adjust the rankings nearly as much is the main one. You're probably playing the percentages, but I'm hoping the national committee fixes a few things that I think have been off all year, and delivers justice to a few teams that frankly didn't help themselves much this week where others did.

We'll soon find out (relatively).

ElRetornodelEspencio

I have as many or more differences with the actual committee.

I have no idea what possible reasoning there could be for Endicott or Southern Maine being out.

I also have no idea what possible reasoning there could be for sending Marietta more than 500 miles (unless they were banking on Marietta not flying it, which they will not), or for knocking them all the way to a 4 seed when they've been #2 in their region basically all year, and keeping Wooster in region and making them a higher seed.

Those are just the beginning. I'm stunned by so much right now.

Bishopleftiesdad

Welcome Back, I was truly Surprised that OWU got in. Happy but surprised. Losing two in the tourney like that, I thought several teams would jump them. I thought OWU would have to get the The championship game to have a shot. I think that if OWU was in the same spot last year they would not have gotten in. The Primary criteria must have been enough.

ElRetornodelEspencio

I didn't think so either but of course I'm glad they are. Definitely rooting for Coach Mott in the regional! TCNJ doesn't look to have a wipeout ace, so could be an opportunity to get one and then probably face La Roche.

cubs

Anyone willing to take a stab at who might be the deserving recipients of a Pool C bid this season based on where things stand with the Regional Rankings and Conference Tournament results?
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Jack Parkman

Quote from: cubs on May 08, 2017, 02:32:26 PM
Anyone willing to take a stab at who might be the deserving recipients of a Pool C bid this season based on where things stand with the Regional Rankings and Conference Tournament results?

Birmingham Southern is probably tops on this list, along with Cortland.  I think there are a few teams out West (Redlands and Concordia Texas) that are probably deserving that won't get a bid.  Redlands has never been regionally ranked but they are definitely better than some of the teams that will be picked. (Obviously this is all my opinion)