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Title: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Oxy'03SalemPavers on March 10, 2005, 12:17:44 PM
92, Duque gets my nod as well for the best post player ever in the SCIAC, which undoubtedly puts him into any discussion as the best player ever.  What I respect the most about him is that, like Song, he was the center-piece to helping his school overcome historical shortcomings in the SCIAC.  Popovich was like Newhall, coaching in the SCIAC for about a decade and always coming up a little short, until Duque arrived.  But I give Song a slight nudge because unlike Duque, he got his team to the Elite 8.  Duque only lead his team in '89 to the round of 32.  But they beat a nasty CS San Bernardino team to get there.  Kats has never been past that.  

But if we were going to open the lid past '94 there are some other legit names to throw into the two other names from CMS Todd Thomas & Chris Greene CMS (next tier down has guys like Bellaire, Albrecht, Keister, M Johnson, was Newhall from mid 80s or mid 70s?, I think he put up some nasty numbers in the set shot era).
Title: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciacisfun on March 10, 2005, 01:23:57 PM
For the record, Avedian was on the '01 team, and yes, he did ride the pine while Muth and Co. were dominating. Interestingly, Hodges was a starter on that team. Not a bad lineup-three guys who were first team sciac at some point in their career, two second-teamers, and a POY riding the bench
Title: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fosheezie on March 10, 2005, 02:53:28 PM
Oxyfan-

Hold up, let me clear what I was trying to say.  Don't get me wrong, Song was a bad dude.  I don't doubt his talent.  And that Oxy team was very good, they did work hard, and had the smarts to back it up.  If I had to pick someone on that team to be the MVP, I would have to go with Finn.  He did it all, bounded, could shoot, take it strong, and usually played d against bigger opponents.

And Pavers, Song over Duque.  Are you crazy?  If Popovich is telling Tim Duncan that Duque was the best player he ever coached, then you know Duque was the real deal.  I don't even know if Song was the best on that Oxy team.
Title: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Oxy'03SalemPavers on March 10, 2005, 03:52:41 PM
Fo, you bring up good points.  Results are what has me taking Song over Duque.  It's like taking Christian Laetner over Grant Hill.  Or is Song more like Hurley...

And you are also right that it is debatable whether or not that should be Finn or Song.  Without one of those guys on the team, and a couple of other guys on that squad, we wouldn't even be talking about them as being on a best ever list.  They all made each other play at a higher level.  But I stick with my statement that Song was THE difference maker for that team.
Title: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Rayburn on March 10, 2005, 09:21:19 PM
Sciacisfun -  

How could Hodges have been a starter on the '01 team?  That would have made this season his 5th.  Did he redshirt 2001-02?  I dont remember him playing then.
Title: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Scandihoovian on March 11, 2005, 11:20:44 AM
Hodges had a redshirt year in their someplace, it was either 01-02 or 02-03.
Title: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mike Brandt on March 11, 2005, 06:12:52 PM
It had to be 01-02, I remember playing against him in 02-03.
Title: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciacguru on March 16, 2005, 07:30:23 PM
Surprise, Surprise, Surprise.....another SCIAC individual left off the All-Region Team.  Two of the best forwards in the West Region......Hodges and Jolly dont even get a sniff.  Nah...there is no bias.  Just like Avedian was left off last year.
Title: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 16, 2005, 09:59:47 PM
Sciacguru, perhaps if the SCIAC SIDs exercised their right to vote they might get someone on the team.

Eight SCIAC schools. Two SCIAC ballots. Direct your anger at the voters, not us.
Title: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Scandihoovian on March 17, 2005, 10:50:51 AM
Pat-

I'm curious with only two SCIAC ballots how the conference got a player on the women's team (Valerie Pina from CLU)?  Do fewer SIDs from the western region vote on the women's side?

(Message edited by SCScandihoovian on March 17, 2005)
Title: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciacguru on March 17, 2005, 12:39:58 PM
Ok, THIS YEAR, the SIDs didnt exercise their right to vote.  But I cant see that this year would be different from last, as you had Shivers on 2nd team, and no mention of Avedian.....the POY.  Your excuse....."we vote on a traditional All-Region Team"...2 guards, 2 forwards, and a center.  You cant tell me a player who averaged 25 pts and 7 rebounds, and POY, is not deserving.  So you have 12 SIDs in the WIAC, and really only 5 in the SCIAC (that are full time).  Of course, 6 players from the WIAC will be nominated.  Dont you think that is a bit skewed??  I would think from your GRAND position you would be able to look through that.  Nah, no bias.
Title: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciacguru on March 17, 2005, 01:38:14 PM
My mistake....9 wiac schools.
Title: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Oxy'03SalemPavers on March 18, 2005, 12:58:20 AM
Guru,  if we didn't go out in the first round every year we could get more votes than what we get from the handful of SIDs from our conference who we can find at the beach to send in a vote.  Why would the rest of the country listen to us?  If our talent was on par with the best in the country we would win at least SOME games.  When we get to Salem we will validate our talent level and then some.
Title: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jbergman on March 18, 2005, 12:58:42 PM
Does anyone have any information about incoming frosh for the SCIAC next year?
Title: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciacguru on March 18, 2005, 01:41:22 PM
Oxy....if that is the case....did anyone from your illustrious Elite 8 team make the all-Region team?
Title: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Oxy'03SalemPavers on March 19, 2005, 01:57:18 AM
Rebasso not being an All-American was a real joke that should have resulted in Oxy's SID being fired.  I think Oxy's SID didn't even turn in a vote that year.  But it would have taken more than that vote.  I mean, is it unheard of for a school to lobby for votes for a player?
Title: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 19, 2005, 03:26:26 AM
Guru, I don't understand why you are shouting at me about it. I didn't select the All-Region team this year, last year, the year before or the year before that.
Title: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wildcat1144 on March 19, 2005, 08:44:35 PM
Sciacguru,

If you are asking Oxy if any one made the all-region team from the Elite 8 football squad then the answer is yes:

1st team:
Ted Helgert, OL, Sr.

2nd team:
Mike Bryant, LB, So.

3rd team:
Zac Sadowski, RS, Sr.

...and Bryant was named a 3rd team All-American by d3football.com
Title: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: castle on March 22, 2005, 02:55:00 PM
There is no doubt that Avedian should be on that list, he tourched defenses for 3 straight years.

Congrats to Michael Reich from CC, for 1st Team All-Region, and HM All-American.  It is always good to see a PV guy do well!
Title: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciacisfun on March 22, 2005, 06:21:10 PM
i have no doubt that if CLU would have done better this year, Hodges would have been on the all-region. But...they didn't. and yes, he was gone for the 01-02 season--he didn't go to CLU that year.
Title: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: artestes on March 25, 2005, 11:20:54 AM
Hey Bergman, word on the street is that Cal Tech just got a D1 transfer from Cal Berkley... He's 5'6", 125 lbs, and can calculate the gravitational wingspan of a sophoclone in less than 4.3 seconds.
Title: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jbergman on March 28, 2005, 09:34:11 PM
ARTestes - Yeah, I heard the same rumor. They're dancin' in the streets in Pasadena...maybe it's goodbye to that 1 for 72 slump they've been in.
Title: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Oxy'03SalemPavers on March 30, 2005, 11:05:29 AM
Is his name William Hung?
Title: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciacguru on March 30, 2005, 09:01:27 PM
Nah, Hung is going to Oxy
Title: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Scandihoovian on April 14, 2005, 10:20:41 AM
Does anyone have any more info on the possibility of a three team mini tournament at season's end?
Title: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Michael Morris on May 18, 2005, 08:22:58 PM
it's been a month somebody should say it, NO there will not be any tournament at the season's end. It costs money, SCIAC games are free to get into, this will lead the schools to lose money. More importantly it probably won't lead to a second bid so what's the point other than making it so that teams 2 and 3 don't have to discipline themselves to play consistently all season.
Title: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Michael Morris on June 22, 2005, 02:54:02 PM
Congratulations to Coach Lowery. Here's to a PP vs. PU tournament matchup, Go get'em Coach!  

http://goboxers.pacificu.edu/mbx/news/062005.htm
Title: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 04, 2005, 02:22:48 AM
Congratulations to the team members of Deep Impact at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory, California Institute of Technology on the successful mission.

That was truly a spectacular moment in history.
Title: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on July 06, 2005, 08:48:17 PM
Now, if only the Caltech hoops team can shoot as well at a stationary target. :-)
Title: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Scandihoovian on July 08, 2005, 04:21:30 PM
Just thought the board might like an update on the construction of the new Sports and Fitness center at Cal Lu.  You can watch construction live at http://ww2.clunet.edu/building_clu/
Title: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: artestes on August 02, 2005, 02:38:15 PM
almost as exciting as watching grass grow!!!
Title: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Scandihoovian on August 14, 2005, 11:28:29 PM
Artestes-

I'm glad you looked!

We're looking forward to having the hens in for a visit.  They'll be so distracted with the good lighting and lack of dead spots that they won't realize they're down by twenty :-)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bballfan2 on August 16, 2005, 10:49:14 PM
Hmmm, Cal Lu by 20 over the Hens...you must be thinking of the Pomona-Pitzer women's team AKA The Girls School For Blind, cause we both know With the Men's team that won't happen.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on August 21, 2005, 12:46:06 PM
The Hens have had some rough times up in Thousand Oaks (I think they've won once in the last 6 years).  I'm sure that there isn't a team in the SCIAC that will miss the old CLU gym after this season.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bballfan2 on August 21, 2005, 03:15:57 PM
Cal Lu will miss it. They may have an easier time recruiting, but everyone loves to play in a new gym. Once the old one goes so does their home court advantage.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bballfan2 on August 22, 2005, 02:01:31 AM
Pomona-Pitzer's 2nd leading scorer G Chaz Turner TRANSFERS TO CMS


Here's something more interesting then hearing about Cal Lu's gym for the rest of the board. Comments....
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on August 23, 2005, 12:14:37 AM
What year is Turner?

Will anyone at PP deign to talk to him anymore?

Will he be even more confused when he plays in the new CLU gym for the first time?  ;D

Seriously, seems like it might help CMS more than it hurts PP, Kats system seems like it adjusts well to the loss of a big talent - for example, even when Lloyd had an off game that was no guarantee that PP would be easier to beat.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: artestes on August 24, 2005, 03:05:03 PM
Turner's gonna be a junior. Apparently he left due to issues with PP's coach. I cannot believe he would transfer to CMC of all places... at least go to la verne or oxy chaz!

PP better be unstoppable up front this year though... ALLoyd was balling with D1 players all summer and Wexler-Berron played in the D1 Kenner League at Georgetown on a team with all the Gtown players.

Should be an interesting season.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: castle on August 25, 2005, 08:17:59 PM
Last five years, CLU holds a 6-4 advantage over P-P.  Which includes a CLU 64-42 victory back on Jan. 30, 2002.  So CLU can beat the hens by 20!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on August 26, 2005, 02:05:58 PM
There's a little love for the D3 & SCIAC way of things in this morning's LA Times sports section.  You do need to read all the way through to the end of the article where Pomona's Katsiaficas and Oxy's Widolff are quoted.

go to:
http://www.latimes.com/sports/college/usc/la-sp-seniors26aug26,1,2936787.story?coll=la-headlines-sports&ctrack=1&cset=true
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on September 10, 2005, 02:01:52 PM
Hi all, I just wanted to drop in and introduce myself.

I am a HUGE D3 basketball fan, who has been to games all over the nation, and posts here WAY too much, and I will be moving to somwhere between LA and San Diego in October.

I know I've posted here several times before, so I hope that I am not a total stranger, but I am definitely looking forward to getting to know the area, its teams, and you guys in the next few years. I am also definitely looking forward to spreading the d3basketball-love-through-cookies in a new area.   :D

Since I've seen a lot of midwest and east coast basketball in the last few years, maybe my presence out here will be a good source for comparison between the various regions since I know that this part of the country often feels very ignored.   ;)

So... which team should I support? I was sorta thinking CalTech... Hehe...
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 10, 2005, 04:41:40 PM
Well, April,

That (supporting Cal Tech) would be a tough job, but SOMEBODY ought to!  ;D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on September 10, 2005, 04:50:15 PM
lol chuck... you would respond to my post before a fellow southern californian  :P

they would be fun to support, actually... d3sports to the max... sure they don't win a ton, but would you like to see their current science projects, IQs or SAT scores?  :o ;)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 10, 2005, 05:13:31 PM
So what takes you to such a far-flung outpost of D3 - new job?  Checking out other conferences is now gonna be a time-and-finance nightmare!

I submit that "they [Cal Tech] don't win a ton" is already the shoo-in, hands-down winner for the prestigious "All-time Posting Up Understatement" award!  ;D

And does this pretty well guarantee you'll be standing me up (again!) at the MIAA-CCIW challenge?

BTW, since thunderstorm season is nearly over, I MAY drop the syllogism sometime, but Sandy is still pretty steamed that you don't seem to have done all you could to get rid of that 'hostile and offensive' nickname!  ;)  Though as the (overly) friendly dog she is, she is even MORE steamed that she never got a chance to jump on you and lick your face!  :(
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on September 14, 2005, 11:44:57 AM
Ok DieHard-

Welcome to SoCal!  I think you'll find this board will heat up quite a bit once the season starts.  Here's a quick rundown for you so that you can start figuring out who you might want to root for:

Cal Tech: The ultimate underdog
Redlands: Fun and Gun - The "Grinnell System" gone wild (although most of the teams in the conference have figured out how to beat the system)
Whittier: Perennial underacheiver, every few years they hint at breaking through
LaVerne: Could be the next up and comer
CLU and CMS: Always in the hunt, both play good disciplined ball, usually one or both finishes just short of the title or occasionally wins it
Oxy: Always strong as well, separated from CLU & CMS by the fact that they have broken through and made a recent run to the Elite Eight
Pomona - Pitzer: Consistently among the 2 best teams in the conference and often the conference champ, but to the chagrin of the entire board they almost always fall flat in the first round of the tournament

Again - welcome to Southern California!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on September 15, 2005, 01:21:49 AM
Thanks!

Well definitely not Whittier or Redlands, since my team is gonna play them both this season! (Single game against Redlands, Whittier christmas tourney)

I enjoy disciplined ball, esp if that means the hoosier style discipline, ie. consistant good passing leading to great open shots. I think good passing is hot.  :-*

Honestly, I'd probably prefer to cheer for the team that has the best academic team, as long at the basketball is good enough that it is enjoyable to watch.

I am not wholly a stranger to this board... I lurked often in the past few seasons, and have posted on occasion... so I know how intense the board can get during the season... esp those who are ticked that the SCIAC isn't getting the attention from Pat that they think they deserve.  ;)

I'll look forward to diving more deeply into the fray as the season approaches.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: castle on September 16, 2005, 02:34:03 PM
Hello Soon-to-be-SoCaller,

If you want to cheer for the team with the best academics; you'd probably be best off with P-P.  But, I think you should cheer for the Kingsmen...I am biased, but they have a lot of upside.  Great coaching staff both on and off the court, new facility will help the recuiting greatly, and a nice community of Thousand Oaks.  I played at CLU 2000-2003, and couldn't have had a better overall experience. 

I look forward to getting your nation-wide perspective on our SCIAC conf.

Let me know if you need any info on the area, basketball or otherwise related.
:)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on September 16, 2005, 05:16:37 PM
Castle raises a good point...You might want to cheer for Cal Lu just based on the fact that their posters were the first to respond to your request in a friendly manner  :)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on September 17, 2005, 01:15:22 AM
Quote from: scandihoovian on September 16, 2005, 05:16:37 PM
Castle raises a good point...You might want to cheer for Cal Lu just based on the fact that their posters were the first to respond to your request in a friendly manner  :)

:D Maybe... though you guys are getting early cool points for sure. :)

Did I mention I was going to be living in Temecula? That's quite a hike to make to visit my "home" team in the league!


Quote from: castle on September 16, 2005, 02:34:03 PM
Let me know if you need any info on the area, basketball or otherwise related. :)

Lol.... I could probably come up with tons of random questions related to where I am moving, but I'll probably just stick to basketball questions.

Which team has the classiest fans? Best fan base? Being the Wheaton girl that I am, I'm not really the hugest fan of teams whose fans are all drink and think the "bull----" cheer is really creative. And I don't necessarily care about atmosphere, as long as the basketball is good, but it's easier when I don't stand out like a sore thumb because I just got really excited about a really good rebound or play or pass or trey or something.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: John Gleich on September 17, 2005, 02:26:22 AM
Hmm.. April, What's the matter with the "Bull Horn" cheer... ? :P
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on September 17, 2005, 11:05:07 AM
PS, I thought that she was referring to the "Bull Ride!" cheer. You know, the one with which the crowd implies that the referee in question is such a fair arbiter that they collectively believe that he has the ability to become a rodeo judge.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on September 17, 2005, 11:24:41 AM
lol... are you guys just trying to get me to curse?  :-\ :P
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on September 17, 2005, 12:11:39 PM
I suppose those cheers would actually be fairly creative...

My new CA friends, ignore these crazy people, I love em to death, but the fact is that they are just suffering the lingering effects of diehardfan cookie withdrawl or something  :D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 17, 2005, 09:58:19 PM
April,

I never got any cookies.  >:(

When will this oversight be corrected, now that you are relocating far out of most of d3 territory?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bballfan2 on September 19, 2005, 02:18:32 AM
If you want to see 'good' basketball the 3 teams to watch on any given night are Pomona-Pitzer, CMS, and Cal Lu. That said here are the Pre-season SCIAC predictions...(the records don't quite add up but each is a ball park guess for every team)
PP (13-1)
CMS (11-3)
Oxy (10-4)
La Verne (9-5)
Cal Lu (9-5)
Whittier (7-8)
Redlands (5-9)
Cal Tech (0-14)

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Petey Fan on September 19, 2005, 09:36:33 PM
   PP wll miss Turner but they have a Frosh guard , Petey Kass... He'll be a crowd fave pronto. Great passer...
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on September 19, 2005, 11:30:47 PM
What's the fan support like at the various SCIAC gyms?  I've been to a game at Cal Tech, where the players outnumbered the fans, and a game at Oxy, which was rollicking, but was a tournament game (vs. Aurora), so I figure it doesn't provide a true measure of the usual support level.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: castle on September 20, 2005, 03:19:53 PM
The fan support is usually pretty good, with the exception of games that are played when students are away.  SCIAC conf. games are great @Redlands, @CMS, @CLU, @OXY, @PP.  La Verne games can be interesting, only if the team is good...Whittier can't fill the gym...Cal Tech games are hard to watch. 

My favorite places to play were @Redlands, @CMS and at my beloved CLU "castle"...because the fans are right up on the court and it gets so loud.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on September 26, 2005, 03:12:00 PM
I know some of you will find this update annoying, but some of us are pretty fired up that they've started putting the roof on the new "castle".

Go to:

http://ww2.clunet.edu/building_clu/video_large.php

Hard to believe it's the final season in Boston Garden West...
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: castle on September 26, 2005, 06:28:33 PM
Wow, that new facility is going to be nice!

No more dead spots, no more hitting the roof, no more can't host a playoff game; but the games of horse are going to suffer.  The famous: over the pipe, don't hit the roof, and in.

Scandihoovian - 'boston garden west'  that is hilarious.

I will definetly have to catch a few games this year - Westmont on Dec. 10 should be a good game.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on September 26, 2005, 08:20:50 PM
Thanks, Castle - but I can't claim it totally as my own.  I think the idea started with one of the PP posters, possibly DJ Hyphen.

Die Hard-

I know Thousand Oaks is a long drive from Temecula, but you can be our number one road fan when we play out at PP, CMS, LaVerne and Redlands :)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on September 29, 2005, 12:01:39 AM
BTW-

I was checking out the CLU Sports site (http://ww2.clunet.edu/sports/m_basketball/index.php) tonight and noticed they have the new roster posted.  Hodges will be missed, but it looks like they did successfully recruit some new big men.  Nice to see - helps feed the preseason optimism  :)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: castle on September 30, 2005, 02:07:22 PM
It looks like the CLU coaching staff was busy last year; bringing in 5 freshmen from out-of-state...CO, WA, NV, AZ, OR.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: castle on October 04, 2005, 06:40:57 PM
Here are my predictions for '05-06...
CMS 10-4
La Verne 9-5
P-P 9-5
OXY 9-5
CLU 8-6
Redlands 6-8
Whittier 5-9

La Verne has a very explosive backcourt, but I think CMS will have too much defense and experience and will win a close SCIAC race.  P-P, OXY, and CLU will need some surprises to win this year.

POY should be between Greenlee & Hollo.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on October 05, 2005, 11:22:20 AM
Interesting thoughts Castle, I hope the Kingsmen are better than 8-6 this year although they're young and I know CMS, PP and LaVerne will be tough.

Unless I'm mistaken, it's 10 days until practice starts...
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on October 05, 2005, 02:17:29 PM
Castle, your predictions only add up to a composite record of 56-42, leaving 14 losses (and no wins) unaccounted for. 

Also, you left out CalTech.

Oh.

(as Emily Litella)  Never mind.   :D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on October 05, 2005, 02:45:05 PM
David-

Thanks for sharing your stream of consciousness with us - great for a laugh on a Wednesday morning.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on October 05, 2005, 08:07:34 PM
Quote from: scandihoovian on September 26, 2005, 08:20:50 PM
I know Thousand Oaks is a long drive from Temecula, but you can be our number one road fan when we play out at PP, CMS, LaVerne and Redlands :)

An interesting thought... I guess it just depends on how controversial I want to be?  ;)

Quote from: David Collinge on October 05, 2005, 02:17:29 PM
Castle, your predictions only add up to a composite record of 56-42, leaving 14 losses (and no wins) unaccounted for.

Also, you left out CalTech.

Oh.

(as Emily Litella) Never mind. :D

David, you're terrible! Don't be dissing me new team!  >:( :P :D

Cal tech, Wheaton with all our player losses, who will have a worse record next year?  :o

Incidentally, hi from Cali!  :) :) :)

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 05, 2005, 10:23:50 PM
April,

I'd say that's a pretty easy pick!  As long as Bill Harris* is around, they could lose ALL their 'returning' players each year and still beat Cal Tech (and probably North Park)!  Though if the 'extra' losses they appear to have suffered prove true, they may be looking at 6th or 7th in CCIW.

*I'd say that CLEARLY the 3 best coaches in the CCIW are Bosko (I have no idea how to spell or pronounce his full name - the NP national-title guy, now at Carthage), Trost, and Harris - and I have no idea in which order to put them.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bballfan2 on October 06, 2005, 01:23:39 PM
Castle,
P-P 9-5??? Come on, you've got to be kidding. There are better odd of them going 14-0 then 9-5 and finishing in a tie with La Verne. CMS strong Defense and experience, they have less experience then PP and with only 4 returnees who played big minutes back, one of whom is a shooter and a weak defender, where do you come up with that...awful picks awful
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: castle on October 06, 2005, 03:51:59 PM
bballfan2-

We'll have to wait and see about the predictions.  At least mine predictions total the correct amount; unlike yours which totals 64-49...?  And how does Whittier go 7-8?

You might be right about the experience of PP, but I think the loss of Lloyd and Terrance will be the main factor.  For CMS the key will be Parsons and Taylor-both returning all-league players.

Either way it will be fun to watch.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Petey Fan on October 06, 2005, 09:00:53 PM
  Regarding PP-- Lloyd is back. He was granted another year because of medical redshirt...
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on October 07, 2005, 03:06:42 PM
Which year did he get a medical redshirt?

He's a great player, but I wouldn't have been disappointed not to see him again...
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on October 09, 2005, 02:34:37 AM
Right, so, uhm, my new buddy and housemate went to California Lutheran, played soccer there, and was even the captain her senior year I believe.... so, I guess that whole debate is decided in your favor guys! Go uhm... what is your guys mascots again? (don't worry Pat, I do still remember where one can find that)  :D ;) ;D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bballfan2 on October 09, 2005, 05:05:26 PM
Castle,

I stick by my final standing predictions and if you read the post right before them, I acknowledge that those are just ball park records and that I wasn't going to take the time to balance them out.  That said, the loss of Norman-Terrance is a big one for the sagecocks, but Petey Fan seems pretty confident about his new guy, so hopefully that will pan out.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on October 10, 2005, 05:20:58 PM
DieHard-

The CLU men's teams are called the Kingsmen.  Your housemate, however, was a Regal - that's the problem with nicknames chosen pre-women's athletics.

You're coming to a conference with some classic nicknames, in addition to the Kingsmen and Regals you have:

Sagehens
Poets
Athenas
Stags
Leopards (or Leos)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on October 14, 2005, 08:26:47 PM
Hello! Hello Hello Hello Hellooooo...

Lol... practice has started! What's going on peoples?  :)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: castle on October 18, 2005, 12:45:57 PM
How about the Tournament expanding, 11 more bids for teams that had good seasons, but didn't win thier conference.  Probably won't help SCIAC teams much, unless somebody finishs second w/20+ wins.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on October 18, 2005, 04:48:37 PM
well, we do know that the chances are better that before... that's not nothing!

it's sure going to make things interesting, whatever happens!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fosheezie on October 24, 2005, 08:47:02 PM
Oh yes, it is that time again....I can smell it, or is that the horrible odor coming from Coach Dains drawers over at Cal Lu.  Yes, practice is underway, and that diabolical genius Katmandu is busy over at P-P creating a monster.  I saw that someone predicted a 9-5 conference record for the Cocks.  Are you smoking something...Kat would never let that happen, especially with the frontcourt they have.  If they don't too big headed my boys Sexy Wexy, Al "Lew Alcindor Jr." Lloyd, and "Mr. Ohio" Tom Hollow, will run it.  As for Turner leaving PP, hey, Kat is a tough cookie to play for, he will tell you when you mess up, some guys can handle it, some guys can't.  Some guys hate him, but the dude gets results and he is a hell of a coach, so you can't disagree with the facts.   ;D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: castle on October 25, 2005, 02:54:48 PM
Fosheezie...you are right PP will be tough, especially the Big's.  I did predict them to be 9-5, but that was before I heard Lloyd was coming back.  With him, PP has to be the favorites.  I do recall PP going 6-8 (9-16 overall) in '02-'03 - so don't order your rings yet.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on October 25, 2005, 07:14:51 PM
Quote from: fosheezie on October 24, 2005, 08:47:02 PM
Oh yes, it is that time again....I can smell it, or is that the horrible odor coming from Coach Dains drawers over at Cal Lu.

It could be the smell of bile from another PP first round gag job  ;)

Fear not Fosheezie, I know the hens will be tough - especially with all that talent in the frontcourt.  It will be fun to watch them match up with all the young big kids the Kingsmen brought in.

How much help will Turner be for CMS?

Does anybody know if Oxy reloaded?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dj_hyphen on October 26, 2005, 09:22:22 PM
last i heard, PP might not have one of their key players this year...
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on October 26, 2005, 11:28:16 PM
Hyphen-

Other than Turner?


Thought I'd also mention that CLU has updated the look and feel of it's sports website:

www.clusports.com

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dj_hyphen on October 27, 2005, 06:45:15 PM
yup, but i don't want to speak on it unless it's official
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on October 28, 2005, 12:01:19 AM
Hello again everybody.  I've been busy on the football site but just wanted to drop in at the start of this season for bball.  Pomona recieved some votes, but what is this about a player going across the street to CMS...I wonder how many times that has happened for even a non-athlete?  Seems...interesting.

PC, is the #28 team in your poll Southwestern (AZ)? 

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 28, 2005, 02:27:41 AM
No, it's the Southwestern Pirates of Georgetown, TX, co-champions of the SCAC with their archrival Trinity (TX) last season. Southwestern (AZ) is an NCCAA school.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 29, 2005, 12:22:07 AM
When we got Pomona-Pitzer's preseason info for the Top 25 voters, they said Kamau Norman-Terrence and Chaz Turner were not coming back from last year.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dj_hyphen on October 29, 2005, 04:52:00 AM
yeah, luckily, the rumor I heard ended up not happening...so scratch that last post, thankfully
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on November 01, 2005, 11:38:54 AM
okay, I'm dying here... are there any scrimmages for SCIAC teams this week or anything??  :-[ :o :D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: castle on November 02, 2005, 01:32:07 PM
all I can find for this week is :  OXY @ Utah State on Friday (ex.) and Redlands @ UC-Riverside on Saturday (ex.).
                                               
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on November 03, 2005, 12:48:47 PM
DieHard-

That Redlands - Riverside one is in your neck of the woods.  It would provide you with some early exposure to "the system" which is way more entertaining to watch against a non-SCIAC opponent.  Most of the conference schools have figured out how to deal with it.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: digs on November 04, 2005, 02:11:59 PM
diehard,

Since you may never get to see an actual Grinnell game you should definately go to the Redlands/UC Riverside game.  The first meeting of 2 system teams!!!  JeffP would be so jealous.   (Scones and coffee are not provided however.)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on November 04, 2005, 05:33:21 PM
digs-

Riverside runs the system?

I did not know that.  What happens when two system teams play each other?  It seems like it might negate many of the perceived strategic advantages.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TeeDub on November 04, 2005, 06:17:27 PM
I don't think UCR runs the system....I suspect it will be more LMU style.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on November 04, 2005, 06:53:28 PM
Thanks guys!  :)

I saw that Redlands game in their sched... just wondering if anyone knew about any scrimmages or anything, which would obviously not be published.

Anyhow, the season is almost here!  :) :) :):-*
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: samiam on November 04, 2005, 10:52:51 PM
Utah State beat Oxy 55-36. Oxy played a great first half. They were ahead most of the half, and with 1 second left went up by one. Then a great pass and a great shot left Oxy going to the locker down by one. Not bad at all.

Then the dreaded second half . . . the ugly, ugly second half. Oh well.

Any report from Redlands? Did they put up 150 and lose by 30 again?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: samiam on November 04, 2005, 10:56:17 PM
Yeah, sorry about that score I posted. I was looking at the wrong score from the stats page.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dj_hyphen on November 07, 2005, 11:30:02 AM
Oxy always impresses me with their non-conference play...yeah, so they got drilled in the 2nd half...at least they hung with em for half of it.  Utah State won't be as good as last year's NCAA team, but they're still solid. 

The strange part to me is that Oxy has played D1 and NAIA opponents tight for the past 5 years or so, but they never seem to really build on that and carry it over to SCIAC (save for their undefeated year of course)

anyway, PP played Chapman on Friday...no word on how they looked though.  [white guy in horror movie] i'll have to investigate [/white guy in horror movie]
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WestCoastWhiner on November 07, 2005, 12:34:08 PM
Claremont, PP & Oxy can further our cause here in the pre-season with victories against Wash U, Augsburg & Amherst.  Step up boys. 

Looks like the league gets a little better this year top to bottom. 

Oxy hanging by one in the first half and losing by under 30 at Utah State is legit.   Fair question about their historical inability to build on early season momentum. 

Preseason predicted order of finish:

1.  PP - Kats
2.  CMS - slightly better than PP but will lose 2 road games that Kats will win;  transfer factor will make the rivalry game even more significant, if he can get past nerves CMS could sweep PP
3.  CLU - could surprise folks with stacked freshmen
4.  Oxy/LV tie - Greenlee will put up #s, Oxy too good to get swept by anyone but need to show that they can win on the road
5. Redlands - system will continue to punish non-conference opponents
6.  Whittier - better talent than this spot but have to show an ability to be the Big 3
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 08, 2005, 01:06:23 AM
With all the exhibitions and out of region contests, Oxy only has a 16 game schedule this year. Kind of makes a Pool C bid unlikely.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on November 09, 2005, 01:46:42 PM
Roop-

I think we've got bigger fish to fry as a conference before we start getting a pool C bid.  This year's champ getting a couple of victories to start the tourney would go a long way.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 09, 2005, 06:58:28 PM
Quote from: WestCoastWhiner on November 07, 2005, 12:34:08 PM
Claremont, PP & Oxy can further our cause here in the pre-season with victories against Wash U, Augsburg & Amherst.  Step up boys.

Those are regular-season games, not pre-season games. The regular season starts on November 18, not whenever the conference portion of the slate begins.

Also, Augsburg doesn't belong in the category of potential SCIAC prestige wins that includes Wash U and Amherst. The Auggies went 9-16 last season, and 9-16, 11-14, 10-15, and 12-13 before then, going back from 2003-04 to the 2000-01 season. And they have a brand-new coach this year who will no doubt be instituting a new system and feeling his way through the first few games of the season.

Beating the Auggies is important for Pomona-Pitzer and CMS, because Augsburg is a fellow West Region team, but it would hardly be a reason to break out the champagne and fine china.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on November 09, 2005, 08:43:06 PM
lol! And the 783 times that Greg will lay down the smack for violators of -the whole "pre-season-vs-pre-conference" issue starts already!  :D :D :D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 09, 2005, 09:06:22 PM
April,

You must have miss-counted - it was 864 last season! ;D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 10, 2005, 07:42:12 AM
Quote from: diehardfan on November 09, 2005, 08:43:06 PM
lol! And the 783 times that Greg will lay down the smack for violators of -the whole "pre-season-vs-pre-conference" issue starts already! :D :D :D

Gotta start somewhere, right?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on November 10, 2005, 12:26:00 PM
It's OK - over on the football board they've started the annual who qualifies for a Pool B vs Pool C discussion.   :)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on November 10, 2005, 05:44:51 PM
lol... oh, yah, that's always fun  :-\ ::)

I'm with Pat, don't discuss things that can be found on his website... it's really annoying, and shows that you lack major researching skills.  :D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on November 10, 2005, 10:57:43 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 10, 2005, 07:42:12 AM
Gotta start somewhere, right?

Yes, and I am very honored that you started with my new home board... (bows) :D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 11, 2005, 04:21:37 AM
Quote from: diehardfan on November 10, 2005, 05:44:51 PM
I'm with Pat, don't discuss things that can be found on his website... it's really annoying, and shows that you lack major researching skills. :D

I kinda like it when Pat has to explain something for the umpteeth time ... or he has to direct somebody to something that can be easily found on this website with two or three minutes' worth of looking. I can almost hear his world-weary sigh as he types.  :D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on November 11, 2005, 11:41:55 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 11, 2005, 04:21:37 AM
I kinda like it when Pat has to explain something for the umpteeth time ... or he has to direct somebody to something that can be easily found on this website with two or three minutes' worth of looking. I can almost hear his world-weary sigh as he types.  :D

Hehe... yeah, don't tell him (since you know, he's never going to read this or anything) but I find it sorta funny.  :D

The season is almost here!! Woo!  :-*
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 17, 2005, 01:36:21 AM
Be sure to head over to the Multi-Regional Topics Board and select your team for the new Survivor Pool!  :D

You might actually win something!  ;D

Deadline is Friday before the first game's tipoff
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on November 17, 2005, 05:19:10 PM
UC Riverside 162  Exibition
Redlands      123
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dj_hyphen on November 17, 2005, 08:42:04 PM
shocking
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 18, 2005, 12:43:00 AM
Quote from: diehardfan on November 11, 2005, 11:41:55 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 11, 2005, 04:21:37 AM
I kinda like it when Pat has to explain something for the umpteeth time ... or he has to direct somebody to something that can be easily found on this website with two or three minutes' worth of looking. I can almost hear his world-weary sigh as he types.  :D

Hehe... yeah, don't tell him (since you know, he's never going to read this or anything) but I find it sorta funny.  :D

The season is almost here!! Woo!  :-*

Took me a while to get here. Football playoffs starting and all. :)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: castle on November 21, 2005, 02:25:38 PM
It was a tough opening weekend of play for the SCIAC.  Conference goes 0-5 against D3 opponents.  Whittier lost to Williams and Bowdoin in MA.  Redlands lost both games in VA, allowing 148 and 142 points.  CLU lost to Edgewood.  Whittier gave Williams; who lost in the NCAA final two years ago, a good game-but lost 84-80.

OXY 2-0, CMS 1-0, PP 0-1, La Verne 0-1...noticed that Lloyd didn't play in the PP game.  Notable newcomers - Slade(PP-Fr.) had 8pts. in loss to Vanguard.  Acerboni (CLU-So.) and Miller(CLU-Fr.) started in both games for CLU.

Washington U. and Augsburg will be in town this Fri/Sat. to play CMS and PP...
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: digs on November 21, 2005, 02:46:52 PM
Is anybody out there??   The season has started (or preseason as we like to say to get a rise out of Sager).

It is so quiet out here that Diehard fan, who calls this her new "home site," has resorted to going to other sites and disparaging "west coast" basketball.  In the future can you keep her busy out here.   :)   (just kidding April)

I see on the Lee Fulmer Schedule at Redlands that he Apprentice School of Newport News VA is scheduled to compete.  Just wondering...does Donald fire a player after each loss?  :D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on November 21, 2005, 03:06:46 PM
Seriously digs, I can't get any of these people to talk!  :'(   :D

j/k castle, I appreciate the summary... I've been so crazy busy with my cousin's graduation from boot camp I haven't had time to make it to games this weekend  :-[

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WestCoastWhiner on November 21, 2005, 05:16:07 PM
SCIAC fans, I'm disappointed at our conference coming out of the first weekend.  Redlands & Whittier didn't do anything to help our cause nationally.  I guess I got a little too excited when Whittier looked competitive against Williams Friday night (even though Williams is down they are still Williams).  Then they roll over Saturday night.  And Redlands gets blown in 2 games. 

Pomona's loss won't hurt us because it was to another S. Cal. NAIA school that nobody cares about.  Kats has plenty of time to work out the kinks and scout his opponents to death so he gets another banner.  He also can advance his less than impressive non-conference DIII record in the next several weeks.  Kats is the best we have and he needs to get his boys to do better outside of our conference both against the snow-birds and in the tourney.

Oxy, Cal Lu & Claremont can help too. 

Will someone please step up and break this vicious cycle.



   
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dj_hyphen on November 21, 2005, 08:45:03 PM
PP's loss is a little disappointing cause they were up two and just needed a stop...but unfortunately some help shifted around and Vanguard's shooter was left open for the game winning three.  Then PP had some trouble getting off a shot in the final few seconds...big shout to the clock operator who allowed Vanguard to scout the play Kats drew up cause he forget to start the clock....that good ol home court disadvantage

and yeah...Lloyd was out...and will be for some more games  :-\
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pomonaalum on November 23, 2005, 08:41:52 AM
One of the reasons PP tends to struggle in pre-season/non conference games early on is that there are typically some juniors studying abroad, who don't return until Spring semester.  Not sure if any players are gone now, but that's usually the case.  Hoops is one of the few sports that spans two semesters, so players go in the Fall and come back in time for conference play.  It means that they're a little behind, but that's the way it goes at PP.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bballfan2 on November 23, 2005, 03:54:22 PM
Here's a thought, 1 or 2 SCIAC teams will make the tourny, that will sort itself out, until then why doesn't everyone stop whinning about past performances or lack of respect and just go enjoy the free basketball. 

As for PP a couple of tough losses to 2 decent teams, Brown's out as is Lloyd they'll be back, but Pomona's still dangerous without them. Once they get back, you guys can all come out and watch something special. 

Sidenote * West coast whiner * may be the perfect name

PP will be in Salem '06, barring further injury.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WestCoastWhiner on November 23, 2005, 04:57:37 PM
BBf, I like how you think.  You might be the first Sagecock ever to mention that type of a goal for your program.  Most PP fans look to find excuses for why PP hasn't won a game west of the Mississippi in post-season play or outside of regional play-ins for that matter. 

How about you bring two Ws home to us this weekend and show some fools outside of Cali that we know how to ball.  W-B will be the MVP, tell him to showcase his skills against some of midwest travelers. 

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciac_is_fun on November 24, 2005, 02:19:54 AM
does anyone know where minney from clu is?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fosheezie on November 24, 2005, 02:23:25 PM
So P-P is O-2, with losses to NAIA Vanguard and D2 UCSD.  No need to worry.  That is how Katmandu always starts the season.  He intelligently schedules some tough games in preseason to expose weaknesses, work on them, and then play better once league opens up.  He cares less about preseason wins, its all about league.  And yes, Lloyd is out, but he'll be back, trust me, the guy is a gamer, he will be back when it counts.....SCIAC play.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on November 24, 2005, 02:52:00 PM
My, my.  Two references to the "preseason" in one post.  Greg Sager is probably choking on his candied yams!   :D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 25, 2005, 12:22:41 AM
Quote from: David Collinge on November 24, 2005, 02:52:00 PM
My, my. Two references to the "preseason" in one post. Greg Sager is probably choking on his candied yams! :D

I lay off the candied yams, DC. It's all about the mashed potatoes and biscuits for me.

But ... yeah, since I don't like to disappoint, and as long as you're going to give me a lead-in like that, I might as well unleash my canned speech. Here goes:

It's not the preseason anymore, pomonaalum and fosheezie. The regular season started last Friday. These games count towards a team's record. The word you're looking for is "non-conference", not "preseason".
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 25, 2005, 03:05:17 AM
The truth is out.  I now realize how the great Greg Sager has so many posts!  Everytime someone says preseason, he has to respond and scold them! lol  ;D

And by the way Mr. Sager, you gotta go with the brown sugar yams, and mashed potatoes of course!   :P  Hope you belonged to the clean plate club and got your apple and/or pumpkin pie.  Apple is my choice, with a little vanilla ice cream on the side.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 25, 2005, 07:44:55 AM
Quote from: Old School on November 25, 2005, 03:05:17 AM
The truth is out. I now realize how the great Greg Sager has so many posts! Everytime someone says preseason, he has to respond and scold them! lol ;D

It's in my contract. You think this HOF status is free?

Quote from: Old School on November 25, 2005, 03:05:17 AMAnd by the way Mr. Sager, you gotta go with the brown sugar yams, and mashed potatoes of course! :P Hope you belonged to the clean plate club and got your apple and/or pumpkin pie. Apple is my choice, with a little vanilla ice cream on the side.

I don't take to people exotifyin' the humble tuber Ipomoea batatas with unnecessary additives, Tom. Give me a plain dollop of sweet potatoes with a little good ol' fashioned butter on top for moisture, thankyouverymuch. Leave the candy and the brown sugar for the kiddies. The staple itself has enough flavor as it is; there's a reason why they call it the sweet potato, after all.

I am always a proud member of the Clean Plate Club on the last Thursday of November. My dessert was apple pie a la mode (vanilla ice cream), capped with a rousing win in Trivial Pursuit ('60s edition) over my hosts and the other guests. A splendid Thanksgiving. Hope yours was, too.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: digs on November 25, 2005, 08:40:58 AM
Hmm....

Greg wins at Trivial Pursuit...who would have thunk it!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fosheezie on November 27, 2005, 11:55:59 PM
Its all preseason to me.   This isnt D1 here.  The selection committee is so picky with us westerners that the main goal for the majority of SCIAC coaches is to prepare themselves for league play and then win league.  You could play some patsies, go undefeated in "preseason", lose two games to a team that goes undefeated in league and still wind up at home during the tourney.  So yes, these games are not as important as league games.  Thanks again Greg, happy holidays!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 28, 2005, 01:33:12 AM
It's not a matter of relative importance that makes these games regular season rather than preseason. Nobody thinks that a non-conference game is as important as a conference game. The SCIAC is certainly not unique in that regard; everybody shares that sentiment. Rather, it's a matter of the calendar (the regular season starts on the third Friday in November) and the recordbook (these games count; just check out Pat's team pages if you don't believe me).

Besides, non-conference games played against West Region opponents are a lot more important than you're letting on, Fosheezie. They're not just garden-variety non-conference games. Pomona-Pitzer's and CMS's wins over Augsburg mean one more win in the in-region W-L pct. category looked at on Selection Monday. And the upcoming games SCIAC teams are playing against the likes of George Fox and Whitworth could have even bigger repercussions.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: castle on November 28, 2005, 12:03:47 PM
Quote from: sciac_is_fun on November 24, 2005, 02:19:54 AM
does anyone know where minney from clu is?

He is out with medical problems; probably won't return to action.  Tough break for Minney, he could have had a big season...
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on November 28, 2005, 12:26:13 PM
Hello all,

First time SCIAC poster, long time D3'er.  My D3 knowledge stems from me playing all four years at a small D3 in illinois and working with the same team for three years after that.  

over the weekend I was very excited to see the show (Redlands)which has been called Grinell West vs. CU.  I have played against "the sytem" and my former coach has even been quoted in USA Today describing it as mice running out of a box (or something like that).  What i saw this weekend was what i expected in the scoring but the actual style of play was a little different.  The first thing i noticed is that the 3 ball was not as implemented for redlands as i thought it would be (or as grinell uses it).  also the level of play (again for redlands) wasnt very high.  i am going to assume that this years redlands team just isnt very good (25 is a player, and they have one other shooter but that is it).  The game was still entertaining, as CU seems to be playing very well right now ( have seen them 3 times now), and the teams combined for like 250, but the level of play from redlands was sub par.  is this year's team just not very good or is this what you expect to see from the bulldogs.  

i have also seen oxy this year and i would put them in the top 5 of the MWC.  the midwest conference is a top heavy conference comprised of teams from illinois(4) Wisconsin(5) and Iowa(1).  the dominant team in the past few years has been LU who has a an all american forward and last week beat #2 in the nation osh kosh.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WestCoastWhiner on November 28, 2005, 03:45:19 PM
Scot, welcome.  Thanks for the input.  We generally like to sit quietly over here in our bottom-tier conference and just talk a lot of junk back and forth about our usually very competitive conference.  Sagers & PC are always lurking nearby to put us in our place in the DIII landscape in the event that the occassional pop-off (myself on occassion included) starts to think that we are better than we are. 

Any chance you can share with us some perspective about your alma mater, a very SCIAC-like liberal arts insitution.  Folks in our conference, from coaches down to former players, think that national success is something that is beyond our institutional capabilities.  Is there a top-to-bottom focus on the success of the basketball program at Wooster?  How is it that Wooster has been able to rise up to the top of the top tier? 

And for the rest of the SCIAC fans, based on early season indicators, it looks like another long year for the SCIAC and a very short post-season. Carthage beats Concordia.  Weakest NAIA team in league Vanguard beats PP PP and LV.  CLU loss to Edgewood.  UR gets bombed back east.  Oxy piling up Ws against La Sierra. 

Kats will rule the SCIAC again with 7 teams battling for second.  Unless he gets lucky with a first round against a Colorado College or equivalent, PP will lose by 15-20 points in the first round.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on November 28, 2005, 07:15:37 PM
Isn't it a little early to be writing off the SCIAC?  As for my alma mater specifically, won't the results of Oxy's upcoming outings against William Jessup and Azusa Pacific may be able to shed some light?  APU is highly ranked in NAIA and William Jessup beat UC Davis in an exhibition . . . so does this mean anything?  I'm mainly a football fan looking to broaden my horizons, feel free to educate me.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on November 28, 2005, 07:45:18 PM
From his comments, I believe that "Old Fighting Scot" is a Monmouth College Scot, not a Wooster Scot.  However, I happen to be both a close follower of the Wooster program and a soon-to-be SoCal denizen (I'm on the long road west right now), I'll take a stab at your questions. 
Quote from: WestCoastWhiner on November 28, 2005, 03:45:19 PM
Any chance you can share with us some perspective about your alma mater, a very SCIAC-like liberal arts insitution.  Folks in our conference, from coaches down to former players, think that national success is something that is beyond our institutional capabilities.  Is there a top-to-bottom focus on the success of the basketball program at Wooster?  How is it that Wooster has been able to rise up to the top of the top tier? 
I'm not quite sure what you mean by a "top-to-bottom focus," but whatever you mean I think Wooster has it.  Men's basketball is very important to Wooster, to the administration, the alumni, the students, and the townsfolk.  (Football is, of course, more important, since it is Ohio, but that's neither here nor there.)  The men's basketball program does not suffer from a lack of resources, has very good facilities, and great fan support.  Wooster's coach (Steve Moore, now in his 19th season) is one of the best X's-and-O's coaches in the country, and is positively revered by his current and former players.  Put that all together and you get a steady supply of top-quality (for D3) players (success breeds success) and relative success on the national scene.

Wooster has not really "risen" to the top of the top tier, in two ways.  On the one hand, you could say that they're not there: they've only made the Final Four one time, 3 years ago, and never got beyond the Sweet Sixteen until about 1999.  But on the other hand, you could say that Wooster has always been at the top of the top tier:  Wooster is the second-winningest program all time in D3 (trailing conference rival Wittenberg University by about 100 games, and essentially tied with Illinois Wesleyan), and has had three coaches with 300+ wins (only Kansas and Utah can also say that).  Basketball success is a long, long tradition at Wooster, and a great source of pride.

I'm not sure how that would apply to SCIAC schools, being a SCIAC novice.  I'm interested in learning more about the SCIAC as I get to some games with Diehardfan this season.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on November 28, 2005, 08:33:53 PM
Quote from: digs on November 25, 2005, 08:40:58 AM
Greg wins at Trivial Pursuit...who would have thunk it!

Too true! Glad that all those random facts are useful for some other thing besides impressing the ladies, Greg.  :D ;) :P

Quote from: Old Fighting Scot on November 28, 2005, 12:26:13 PM
the level of play from redlands was sub par.  is this year's team just not very good or is this what you expect to see from the bulldogs.

Quote from: WestCoastWhiner on November 28, 2005, 03:45:19 PM
Folks in our conference, from coaches down to former players, think that national success is something that is beyond our institutional capabilities.

And for the rest of the SCIAC fans, based on early season indicators, it looks like another long year for the SCIAC and a very short post-season. Carthage beats Concordia.  Weakest NAIA team in league Vanguard beats PP PP and LV.  CLU loss to Edgewood.  UR gets bombed back east. Oxy piling up Ws against La Sierra.

Kats will rule the SCIAC again with 7 teams battling for second.  Unless he gets lucky with a first round against a Colorado College or equivalent, PP will lose by 15-20 points in the first round.

:( :-\ :'( :-[

The idea of institutional capibilities is a complex one... why do you, and others think that you are incapable?

Quote from: David Collinge on November 28, 2005, 07:45:18 PM
I'm interested in learning more about the SCIAC as I get to some games with Diehardfan this season.

Woo!  ;D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 28, 2005, 09:18:24 PM
David,

You TOO are moving to LaLa land!  I fear I will NEVER meet two of my favorite posters (you and April)!

Of course, I was at Wheaton for the MIAA-CCIW showdown last year - it was YOU guys who stood ME up!  IF we never meet, let that be on your conscience! ;) ;D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on November 29, 2005, 12:02:04 AM
Awww... chuck, we'll meet soon, don't you fret. You are one of my top priorities of those I haven't met.  :)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on November 29, 2005, 12:10:47 AM
Chuck, you could always come to LA, you know.  You wouldn't be the first Michigander to visit the Southland.  I realize Los Angeles is not Ypsilanti, but then again what is?  Come visit and I'll use my HOF status to get you good seats at a CalTech game.   :D

[Three totally lame jokes in four sentences--a new P.U. record?]

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 29, 2005, 12:38:13 AM
David,

I did make it out to LA in 1972 - geez, did they mess up a perfectly nice desert! ;)

Besides, I have a brother in the Bay area - would I be allowed to visit LA?

CalTech TICKETS?  Isn't that an oxymoron?

Oops, only three gags in three lines - you win. ;D  [Wait a second, you had 3 in 4 - I win!]

P.S., can you remain a d3 Hall-of-Famer if you move to a place where there are almost no d3  teams?  (You may have to point out that the Cabonney Rule was shattered!)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 29, 2005, 12:58:16 AM
Quote from: diehardfan on November 28, 2005, 08:33:53 PM
[Too true! Glad that all those random facts are useful for some other thing besides impressing the ladies, Greg.  :D ;) :P

Ladies are impressed by trivia mavens? Gee, I must've missed that memo.  ::)

Quote from: diehardfan on November 28, 2005, 08:33:53 PM
The idea of institutional capibilities is a complex one... why do you, and others think that you are incapable?

He doesn't, April. West Coast Whiner is the The Artist Formerly Known as Oxy '03 Salem Pavers. Ever since he first appeared in the SCIAC room about three or so years ago (he was "George Bush" back then) he has relentlessly championed the proposition that the SCIAC is an underrated league in overall D3 terms and that SCIAC teams are capable of going to the Final Four and even the title game if they would only allow themselves to approach March with a more positive mindset. He's made me the bete noire of this room (Pat as well) for pointing out the lack of success that the SCIAC has had historically, both in the tournament and against the snowbirds from elsewhere around D3 who fly into SoCal every November and December and more than hold their own in SCIAC gyms. But I actually do respect his bulldog tenacity on the SCIAC's behalf, and his devotion to the league and to this room in particular.

What he was doing in that post you cited is called "sandbagging", or "pulling a Lou Holtz". Given his past history in this room, I'm pretty sure that he actually does think that the '06 SCIAC champs (he appears to be banking on Pomona-Pitzer at this point) can make a run in March if they believe in themselves. Your trust-filled tendency to accept the words of others at face value has once again led you down the garden path, April.  ;) I was hoping that David's arrival in SoCal would help shield you from the ceaseless cynicism and dripping irony of Posting Up habitues such as West Coast Whiner, but David assures me that he will only make things worse.  :D

Quote from: diehardfan on November 29, 2005, 12:02:04 AM
Awww... chuck, we'll meet soon, don't you fret. You are one of my top priorities of those I haven't met. :)

Words not to be taken lightly, Chuck. The number of people April likes who have green clothing in their closets is not nearly as big as it used to be.  ;)

Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 29, 2005, 12:38:13 AMP.S., can you remain a d3 Hall-of-Famer if you move to a place where there are almost no d3  teams?

We in the HOF consider this to be missionary work on David's part, Chuck.  :D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 29, 2005, 01:11:39 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 29, 2005, 12:58:16 AM
Quote from: diehardfan on November 29, 2005, 12:02:04 AM
Awww... chuck, we'll meet soon, don't you fret. You are one of my top priorities of those I haven't met. :)

Words not to be taken lightly, Chuck. The number of people April likes who have green clothing in their closets is not nearly as big as it used to be.  ;)

Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 29, 2005, 12:38:13 AMP.S., can you remain a d3 Hall-of-Famer if you move to a place where there are almost no d3  teams?

We in the HOF consider this to be missionary work on David's part, Chuck.  :D

Along with the omitted parts of the post, pure genius (though I have almost NOTHING green in my closet - my wife says it just doesn't go with me! [do I need a new wife? ;)])  I 'applaud'!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on November 29, 2005, 11:52:46 AM
I am indeed a living breathing Monmouth College Fighting Scot, relocated to the I.E.  Dont know much about Wooster but i can tell you all you want to know about the MWC.......
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WestCoastWhiner on November 29, 2005, 04:28:16 PM
GS is too good.  You are actually wrong, however, about any hidden optimism on my part.  Your barrage of cold-hard facts have gotten to me.  I no longer believe that a SCIAC team, especially PP this year, can do anything more than maybe win a game in the Tourney.  I used to look at the talent at Wooster, Wittenberg, Carthage, Amherst, Catholic, Hopkins, and think that on neutral floors the talent of those teams would not result in the kind of record that we have seen from the SCIAC in the post-season.  I now don't believe that.  Talent wins games more than coaching and I've come to see that my analysis was flawed.  My new theory is that as dominant as Pomona has been in this conference, they at best have 1 starter out of their first 5 of any recent championship team that could start on any team in Salem in the past 10 years.  There may be a team or two that would have 2 start for one of those teams, but the other three would be the 9-12 men.  The second 5 is comprised of what mostly would be JV players at elite D3 schools. 

Stats don't lie and I'm going to stop beating on a drum about how schools like Pomona and Claremont shouldn't accept Williams & Wooster being national programs while they are kings in a bottom-tier conference.  I understand too that nobody really cares in Claremont or for that matter anywhere else in the SCIAC.   Institutional apathy and widespread acceptance of mediocrity.  Trust me, there isn't an administrator at Pomona, Pitzer or Claremont who emailed the coaches last weekend asking them what is needed to help them compete with a very young and up and coming Washington U. 

But having said all that, I'm not going to let OFS come in here and talk about Oxy being the 5th best program in their conference.  You have to show us something to back that up.  I think a couple of years ago when Oxy played Aurora in the Tourney, a team that beat Monmouth by 20 that year,  Oxy handled them a 20 point loss.  Granted, that was a couple of years ago but I still think Oxy or for that matter, any of the SCIAC's big 3, would fare well against a MWC team. 

Redlands is not representative of the conference.  They have a fun system but you are right about the talent issues, which also get exposed by pretty much every SCIAC team.
 

       

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on November 29, 2005, 04:44:00 PM
I think that Oxy and Pomona are slated to play Amherst and Whitworth at the Oxy Classic on Jan. 2 and 3.  The results of those games may be a good indicator of SCIAC quality this year and the the potential depth of a SCIAC run into the playoffs . . .

or not . . .   :D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WestCoastWhiner on November 29, 2005, 08:23:12 PM
Last year I gave the SCIAC ADs and SIDs a year reprieve from criticism because I was so pleased with the redesigned conference Website.  That was then...

Do any SCIAC schools pay for SIDs or is it a student work-study program.  Actually, it can't be the latter because then that would actually be a creative solution to tight budgets and we would probably have a resource with some value.  We are at the end of November and there are ZERO stats, scores and data posted about 2005-06 SCIAC basketball.  Any reason why?

Hats off to Oxy, Cal Lu, Whittier/Redlands, in that order, for at least moving their content into the proper season.  Oxy has the best Website in my view for their hoops program and Cal Lu's is also good, but not as robust.  Nice of Pomona and Claremont to care enough about their teams this season to put up timely, fresh material...
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on November 30, 2005, 12:02:49 PM
Quote from: WestCoastWhiner on November 29, 2005, 04:28:16 PM
But having said all that, I'm not going to let OFS come in here and talk about Oxy being the 5th best program in their conference.  You have to show us something to back that up.  I think a couple of years ago when Oxy played Aurora in the Tourney, a team that beat Monmouth by 20 that year,  Oxy handled them a 20 point loss.  Granted, that was a couple of years ago but I still think Oxy or for that matter, any of the SCIAC's big 3, would fare well against a MWC team. 

Redlands is not representative of the conference.  They have a fun system but you are right about the talent issues, which also get exposed by pretty much every SCIAC team.

MC was 2-14 in the conference that year.  Very much so a very bad MWC team that year.  that MC team had lost 7 seniors from the previous year, and had one of the worst records in MC history.  not a very good example.  this years oxy could not have beaten last year's MC (MC finished 5th in the MWC last year) and this years MC (though i havent seen them play) should be better than last years team. 

Also i wasnt really trying to smite oxy.  in the MWC the top 4 teams make the conference tourney and like last year there are usually 5 or 6 teams that are in contention for the title every year.  Oxy is good enough to contend for the MWC title within the 5 or 6 teams that usually do, but they did not impress me enough to proclaim them a top tier team.  if you didnt know, two unranked MC teams have beaten two top-15 wiac schools within the last week.

I agree Oxy has a very good athletic website, one of the best I've seen...... ;D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WestCoastWhiner on November 30, 2005, 01:50:34 PM
OFS, appreciate the disagreement.  Glad to see your early-season success against the powerful WIAC. 

A conference tourney should help the SCIAC.   If it helps gets our teams a 1st round win every now and then it will be a success.  Oxy's run several years ago gave me some hope but our conference performance the past 2 years has brought me back to earth.   
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on November 30, 2005, 05:54:42 PM
There are usually complaints on this board about SCIAC teams not travelling to other parts of the country.  Caltech just completed a three game trip to Texas.

At least they have the right idea. 8)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on November 30, 2005, 11:33:06 PM
Pavers/Whiner (it's gonna take me a while to get used to the new handle)

Have you seen the new CLU Sports website?  It's a nice upgrade.

www.clusports.com

The SCIAC page continually suffers from broken links on the front page.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WestCoastWhiner on December 01, 2005, 03:05:23 PM
Definite improvement at CLU Scandi.  Someone did good work there.  Maybe it is a sign of things to come.  With the new facility, maybe CLU will use the Mo' to bring in some better than SCIAC-level talent and make another tourney run.

Got the below from a Blog griping about Pac-10 leadership, or lack thereof.  Pretty harsh but justified.  Comparatively, the Pac-10 in football, like the SCIAC in every significant sport, particularly basketball, is a red-headed step child to the rest of the country.  I'll acknowledge that it is definitely justified by our non-conference DIII performance, particularly in the post-season.  But as a fan I find it difficult to accept mediocrity and being a bottom tier conference.   I don't believe anyone has ever raised an excuse that should be bought (lack of $; administrative & campus-wide athletic apathy; recruiting challenges; too much sun; regional isolation).   

SIDs, ADs, Administrators and others in the SCIAC who are in positions to influence SCIAC athletics, please substitute your name and title for Mr. Hansen.   


"Mr. Hansen represents:

A history of weak leadership;

Demonstrated nonfeasance;

A lack of accountability;

A feeble-minded and incompetent administrator;

A Commissioner who places his purely political and personal motives ahead of the best interests of the Conference; and

A prime example of one biding their time until retirement by esting on their laurels." 



Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on December 02, 2005, 12:11:36 PM
Chapman vs. mud scripps tonite at redlands, both teams won convincingly yesterday, anyone have any idea how this one will go?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bballfan2 on December 03, 2005, 05:18:42 PM
CMS will win by 9-14, in a well played game by both teams. The Difference will be CMS's pressure on the ball on D, and ball movement on offense.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bballfan2 on December 04, 2005, 01:26:53 PM
Well it looks like I was wrong, Champan by 7. In my defense I don't have the whole story but CMS had a player quit at HALFTIME, unusual to say the least. Maybe some of those circumstances caused the L.

Either way PP looked solid against Hope, if they keep it up against La Serria and Biola, that would be a great stepping stone for them as they approach league play.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dj_hyphen on December 04, 2005, 05:27:49 PM
Quote from: bballfan2 on December 04, 2005, 01:26:53 PM
CMS had a player quit at HALFTIME, unusual to say the least.

:o  :D details?
Title: RE: CMS losers against Chapman, Redlands continues to avoid playing basketball
Post by: bballfan2 on December 04, 2005, 10:48:29 PM
Word around here is that Saunders, their center, was unhappy that he wasn't playing, and argued with the coach about it during the first half.  Some how that lead to him walking off the bench during the first half, changing clothes, and leaving mid game. I wish I had more percise details, or a tape of it.

Any redlands have any thoughts on their team now that they've started 1-6? Still think they should use that system or should they try a more conventional route?...Oh well, at least after their next game they should be 2-6.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dj_hyphen on December 05, 2005, 10:55:20 AM
hahaha that's hilarious that a CMS dude quit mid-game...that's a new one.  i've seen it happen mid-practice (...Cutch :D), but never during a game.  Looks like he's no longer listed on their website...Saunders was the SCIAC Mark Madsen anyway...well, without the hustle.  and the dancing ability.


It's a bad sign for Redlands if they can't even get wins before the conference...these are the game they usually get by either beating up on weak opponents or surprising teams that aren't used to the system.  If they can't win now, SCIAC's gonna eat them up
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on December 05, 2005, 11:18:34 AM
Redlands....

the problem with redlands is not the system it is the lack of players able to play in the system.  I saw redlands against Chapman (i know believe CU may be one of the better D3 teams in America, definitely top 25) and they just didnt do anything to validate playing the system.  i havent seen the stats but they couldnt have shot more than 30 treys.  What?  the system only producing 30 treys..  If you are going to give up the layups you need to counter with the three ball, what gives.  The most glaring thing is that it looked like redlands only had two guys that had any business shooting the ball from 3.  you cant play the system w/o shooters....  thats like drinking coffe without a cup....  It aint the system that is making Redlands lose, its the lack of talent.  I have seen three different teams run "the system" and i have played against the original.....  It works if you have talent Redlands doesnt......

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on December 05, 2005, 11:32:06 AM
Chapman University....

I know this isnt the Independent board, but b/c of the proximity to the rest of the Sciac i believe it should be ok for me to talk about CU here.  Chapman is as good a D3 team as i have seen in my time around the division (going on 8 years).  The get production inside and out.  Have one of the best scorers in all of D3 (carney).  they have solid big men and all five positions rebound well.  the one concern of CU is that they are not ver deep at the guard spot.  they have had two injuries there and are one more away from potentially having a serious problem.  Wheatley is the backbone of the team, Carney can flat out take over games and brown can fill it up with the best of them.  CU will be a team to reckon with come mid february.  CU plays La Verne on Wednesday that seems to be another good test....
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on December 05, 2005, 12:14:26 PM
Do any Oxy fans know what schools are coming to the Oxy classic on Jan 2. ?
Btw, Any players that have to play a game after New Years needs to be commended. I used to go to the Classic when I was at Oxy just to add some support, even though there would only be about 75 05 100 fans at the game. I hope that there will be more people at these games..   
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WestCoastWhiner on December 05, 2005, 04:13:14 PM
BE, the Classic has Pomona, Amhert and Whitworth.  Should be some good games.  Just scored a ticket to the National Championship game (note West Coast haters and Midwest football whiners:  the Left Coast is in the process wrapping up a 3rd straight national championship ) so I look forward to being one of the 50 folks in attendance at the Rock for a game.  Those snowbird games with nobody in the crowd are fun games.   No real pressure, just who is going to step up and ball.  Amherst's talent should set them apart but it will be fun to see if Pomona or Oxy can keep it under 10 against a top 10 team.  

I hope that Oxy's, Pomona's and Pitzer's Presidents, ADs and heads of Admission come watch those games against Amherst.  Newhall & Kats may pull some rabits out of a hat, but everyone will see the tremendous talent gap.  It will be nice for the apathetic SCIAC leaders to see up close and in person that elite liberal arts institutions can have elite athletic programs.     

SCIAC looks weak this year and in disarray.  Should be Kats walking away.     


     
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 05, 2005, 07:56:00 PM
WCW,

Were you talking d1 fb (if so, don't underestimate Texas - that should be a shoot-out!), or (being a d3 bball board) did you decide to claim UWSP (which is several hundred miles closer to the Atlantic than the Pacific, despite being in the West Region)? ;)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WestCoastWhiner on December 05, 2005, 09:05:59 PM
Mr. Y, although I can mistake a fact or two I would never miss something that bad.  Of course I am talking about the gridiron and the Might Trojans.  Not discounting Texas, which has a better shot than Oklahoma did last year.  First Wooden, then Showtime, then Shaq, then the Trojans.  Dynasties have a way of popping up on the West Coast.   Not likely to happen in the SCIAC in any sport but a guy can dream.  At least we have the option to piggy-back as a fan onto a D1 program through graduate school. 

War Time
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 05, 2005, 09:52:29 PM
OK, just checking! ;)

We've got the Pistons (who ended Showtime ;D), and the Red Wings (and UM in '97).  Unfortunately we also have the Lions and Tigers! :'(

I notice you don't have an NFL team - want the Lions?  Cheap?!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: castle on December 06, 2005, 02:16:47 PM
OFS, You are right about Champan.  They are looking really good so far...going back to last year they have won 18 in a row.  Although I have not seen them play this year; they look to be a veteran team with good leader, Carney.  I look for them to win 21-23 games and get a NCAA bid.  Lincoln will be CU's toughest opp. at the IND post-season tourney, which is in Santa Cruz this year.

Not sure if Chapman can match the run the '02-'03 OXY team that went on...time will tell.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bballfan2 on December 06, 2005, 02:49:32 PM
The only thing that will hurt Chapman's Tourny hopes if you're right is that they play at least 7 games against teams that are almost guaranteed victories. Home/Aways with La Serria, UC Santa Cruz, and West Coast Baptist. A game against Cal Tech. Also if whittier and La Verne don't do well in sciac that will hurt their strength. When I see their schedule I think they need at least 23 wins to be a guaranteed bid come tourny time.  They might do it though, they've looked good so far
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on December 06, 2005, 06:38:08 PM
Oxy is 5-0 and is going up against NAIA top ranked Azusa Pacific tonight at APU.  Should be interesting. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WestCoastWhiner on December 06, 2005, 08:58:28 PM
Sabertooth, APU is just too tough for the SCIAC right now - or any DIII team for that matter.   Did you watch them in the finals last year on t.v.?  They would win against a lot of mid-major D1s.  A couple of DIII teams could maybe give them games, but nobody in the SCIAC.  This was the 2nd best team in NAIA last year, and they are better this yearr. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on December 06, 2005, 09:16:41 PM
Quote from: castle on December 06, 2005, 02:16:47 PMLincoln will be CU's toughest opp. at the IND post-season tourney, which is in Santa Cruz this year.

If you mean Lincoln University of PA, ranked #23 in this week's d3hoops.com poll, they won't be at Santa Cruz.  The independent tournaments are regional, and Lincoln would be playing in one back east.  Chapman's opponents at Santa Cruz figure to include Colorado College and Nebraska Wesleyan.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on December 06, 2005, 10:29:53 PM
aww.... and here I was hoping that this post would say that you are now a cali resident like myself  :-\
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on December 06, 2005, 11:57:27 PM
Azusa Pacific 89
Oxy 71

Oxy cut the lead down to 5 points in the 2nd half, then the game was over as they wore the Tigers down.

APU 9-20 from 3 point range. 

We had no guard play.  Inside, Betty had 25, Phillips had 20.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 07, 2005, 01:23:01 AM
Quote from: bballfan2 on December 06, 2005, 02:49:32 PM
The only thing that will hurt Chapman's Tourny hopes if you're right is that they play at least 7 games against teams that are almost guaranteed victories. Home/Aways with La Serria, UC Santa Cruz, and West Coast Baptist. A game against Cal Tech. Also if whittier and La Verne don't do well in sciac that will hurt their strength. When I see their schedule I think they need at least 23 wins to be a guaranteed bid come tourny time.  They might do it though, they've looked good so far

The number of overall wins Chapman (or any other team, for that matter) has will have no bearing whatsoever upon whether or not the Panthers get a ticket to the big dance. It's regional wins that matter, not overall wins. Also, keep in mind that Chapman is an independent, and thus a Pool B contender. As those of us who follow the D3 scene are well aware, the bar is set a lot lower to get a Pool B bid than it is for Pools A and C.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on December 07, 2005, 10:42:23 AM
Westcoast----

Thanks for the update on the games. I think the scehdule looks good for the classic. And your right these games will make up for down time before the BIG FOOTbaLL game in pasadena. I know that i will be heading to the rock to work out and catch some good BBAll games. And your right, i hope that more people attend the games during the holidays. Thanks for the info.


Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: castle on December 07, 2005, 11:48:24 AM
David Collinge...Thanks for the in info on the independents tourneys.  That improves CU chances of making the dance.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: samiam on December 07, 2005, 06:18:19 PM
QuoteWe had no guard play.  Inside, Betty had 25, Phillips had 20.

Oxy had no guard play because the frontcourt doesn't remember it has a backcourt.  How many times have you seen the big guys kick the ball back out?

Oxy's not going to kill you with the guard play. But Oxy won't win unless the guards get more of a chance.

The frontcourt is obviously Oxy's bread and better. It's just too bad they're not well-coached. Give this front court to Kat and they might even impress the non-west coast DIII fans.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on December 07, 2005, 09:11:14 PM
Brian Newhall is a fine coach, thank you very much.  Oxy is lucky to have him.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: samiam on December 07, 2005, 11:22:15 PM
QuoteBrian Newhall is a fine coach, thank you very much.  Oxy is lucky to have him.

We're going to have to disagree on that one. I think we could get validation for both views by taking a poll of former players and basketball fans alike.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciacguru on December 08, 2005, 12:41:52 AM
Couldnt stay away long......but calling the only coach in SCIAC history to go 14-0 and go to the Elite 8 a bad coach will stir up everyone....including folks like myself who are not Oxy fans.  Newhall can coach, and gets the best from his players.  I am not going to read much into the statement from someone that ONLY played JV for Newhall or was it that you were the 15th man and he could only take 14 to Buena Vista for the Elite 8??
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: samiam on December 08, 2005, 10:29:36 AM
To borrow from a different sport, Mike Ditka went 15-1 and won a Super Bowl . . . once. He's out of coaching now for a reason.

Your claim is that a one-time event in a conference that never had such an event is reason enough to crown him a good coach. Go ahead with your belief. I don't buy into it.

For me, what makes a good coach is running a solid program in which players leave having learned more about the game and having developed more skills than when they entered. Development shouldn't happen solely on self-study by the players. Also, coaches should be good game managers and understand their players. They should be good communicators and talk with the players.

Again, if you still insist Newhall is all that, I think you're not watching carefully.

I'll just assume that you haven't seen good programs before. So, I'll take your comments with a grain of salt. SCIAC devotees have such large chips on their shoulders, it's seems difficult for them to accept that one of their own might be flawed. You don't have to go out of state to look at good programs. Go to one of Kat's practices. You'll be enlightened what some good coaching and a good program looks like.

There. I've given an example from SCIAC. Hope that makes you feel better.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fosheezie on December 08, 2005, 12:19:15 PM
Katsiaficas for Heisman :o
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: castle on December 08, 2005, 01:00:57 PM
I would have to agree with sciacguru on this one.  Newhall might not be the best coach in league...but he has been with OXY for 18 years and 250 victories, that has got to stand for something.

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: samiam on December 08, 2005, 01:29:22 PM
QuoteNewhall might not be the best coach in league...but he has been with OXY for 18 years and 250 victories, that has got to stand for something

Who have those victories been against? An average of a tad under 14 wins per season may be how you judge a coach. I'd add, though, that player development should also be in the mix.

However, let's stick with wins alone: CalTech (x2), Redlands (x2), Whittier (x2) are usually gimmes. That puts you at 6. Home wins against PP, La Verne, Cal Lu, and CMS puts you at 10. The biannual La Sierra bashing gives you 12, and add another 2 non-league games at gimmes gives you a total of 14.

If you're happy with such a record, fine. Most Non-SCIAC folks would view 18 years of this as mediocre at best. And mediocre in the SCIAC isn't something to hang your hat on.

But I'd advise you look at the players and how they develop. How much is attributable to Newhall? What coaching decisions has he made, what tactics has he used, what lineup changes, defensive changes has he made that have you that enthralled with him? I just don't get it.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: castle on December 08, 2005, 02:11:00 PM
samiam, apparently you had some bad experinces with Newhall.  I can't comment to much on player development or any off-court coaching, but I will say the Song got a lot better over his career.  Also, I recall Newhall making some real good coaching moves.  For example, couple years ago OXY at CLU; Avedian had 23 points at half and CLU lead.  Newhall put Rebasso on Avedian in the second half; Z scored only 6 points and OXY went on to win by 3.

I also don't agree that Redlands and Whittier; or home games agianst PP, CMS, CLU are gimmmies.  I am not enthralled with Newhall's coaching; just think that he is a decent coach.  I would like to see you win at Buena Vista in March?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on December 08, 2005, 02:26:28 PM
If redlands is not a gimme this year, i hate to see the talent of the team they beat....
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: castle on December 08, 2005, 02:45:36 PM
This Redlands could be called gimmies, but not every year.  OXY beat RU by 4, and lost to RU by 12 last year...
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on December 08, 2005, 04:22:31 PM
i'll give you that castle.  i cant believe that redlands is this bad every year, and besides i have only seen them in one full game, and a half of another....
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: samiam on December 08, 2005, 05:57:16 PM
Good points, castle. Perhaps I was too adamant about Newhall. "Decent" may be a good term for him. I've definitely seen worse.

I think what's frustrating for me as a basketball fan (not an Oxy fan) is watching the potential of the frontcourt. These guys are quite good. I think some "slightly-better-than-decent" coaching would do wonders. I think they would wind up in Buena Vista in 2006.

I might also have been too harsh about Whittier . . . well, maybe in some years. However, I do disagree with most here about Redlands. While they are not at the CalTech level, you can't run that type of offense without playing solid defense. They've been 5-9, 6-8, and 5-9 in SCIAC play the last three seasons. If you lose to them, it's probably because you have problems making layups. And this year? Talk about coaching disasters: if you don't have the personnel for your program, maybe you should change the program or style. That's more philosophical rather than cut and dry, I know. But sheesh. A program predicated on the quick 3-pointer without any 3-point shooters? Yikes.

Sorry for causing any ill-will on the board. I'll try to be more positive next time.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 08, 2005, 06:21:28 PM
Quote from: samiam on December 08, 2005, 05:57:16 PMI think what's frustrating for me as a basketball fan (not an Oxy fan) is watching the potential of the frontcourt. These guys are quite good. I think some "slightly-better-than-decent" coaching would do wonders. I think they would wind up in Buena Vista in 2006.

It's not likely that Buena Vista will be hosting a sectional this season. The Beavers graduated their top six scorers from last season; the two leading scorers on this year's team (which is 1-3 at this early juncture) are freshmen, Andre Wagner and Brian Fogleman. The Beavers are a strong enough program that the cliche "reload, not rebuild" is an apt one for them. Still, my guess is that it's far more likely that, in the event a SCIAC team manages to get past Puget Sound (the presumptive NWC rep) in the opening weekend, it'll have to go to the Twin Cities (St. Thomas) or Waverly, IA (Wartburg) for the westernmost sectional.

Quote from: samiam on December 08, 2005, 05:57:16 PMSorry for causing any ill-will on the board. I'll try to be more positive next time.

Aw, c'mon. I was enjoying not being the villain on this board for a change.  :D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: samiam on December 08, 2005, 06:24:44 PM
QuoteAw, c'mon. I was enjoying not being the villain on this board for a change.

You can keep the role. The perks aren't worth the trouble.

I imagine I'll be villainous again once I see more ball in January. Then I'll be contrite, then villainous, then contrite.

I should probably see a therapist.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: castle on December 08, 2005, 07:30:59 PM
CMS has a big weekend up in the Northwest.

CMS at George Fox (5-1) on Friday.  CMS at Pacific on Saturday - Lowery has Pacific at 4-2 (they went 5-20 last year).  SCIAC can help SCIAC with a win or two.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on December 08, 2005, 08:37:22 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 08, 2005, 06:21:28 PM
Quote from: samiam on December 08, 2005, 05:57:16 PMSorry for causing any ill-will on the board. I'll try to be more positive next time.
Aw, c'mon. I was enjoying not being the villain on this board for a change.  :D

As a Cal Tech fan, I feel pretty safe from being a villain  :D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WestCoastWhiner on December 09, 2005, 02:54:47 PM
SamIAmHeadedtoTherapyBecuaseICantGetPastBeingCutfromOxy'sJVTeam,

Bro, glad you recognize your problem.  Therapy may help.   Sometimes in life you have to let things go.  If you went to Oxy undoubtedly you can look forward to other things in your life. 

But leave Newhall alone.  The coaching staff at Oxy is top notch.  Hennacy & Hall have won pretty much everywhere they have gone, including Oxy.  Newhall is the captain of the ship and is a well-regarded coach.  As SCIAC fans we all owe that staff kudos for helping us all with an Elite 8 run, a great game against UNLV, beating CS Fullerton, competing well against Utah State and generally playing as good against non-conference opponents as anyone in the conference. 

Can't develop players?  You have to be kidding me.  Don't make me rattle off names.   Every SCIAC school has guys who come in and for one reason or another, don't make it in the programs.  Usually it is more mental than anything else.  Look at the cat from CMS who walked out on his team this year.  Newhall's problem has never been coaching or player development.  In both of those areas he is as good as anyone.  His problem is generally our conference's problem, tough to recruit good enough ballers to make real headway in the post-season.   Newhall over the years has ally has 1, maybe two studs, then a bunch of guys who they coach something out of - but are outmatched against their counterparts at real DIII powers.  If he could get 3 or 4 studs, like Kats usually does, and less bozos like you, then we would see something special at the Rock.  Similarly, if Kats could get 1 or 2 more studs on top of his usual 3 or 4, I think he could make a deep run.  He is certainly as good of a game coach as you'll find in DIII.



   
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on December 09, 2005, 03:00:42 PM
Quote from: diehardfan on December 08, 2005, 08:37:22 PM
Quote

As a Cal Tech fan, I feel pretty safe from being a villain  :D

Shoot - I thought you'd pledged your allegiance to Cal Lu (we're young this year and could use the support  :) )

Big game for the Kingsmen tomorrow night vs. Westmont.  Final matchup vs. the evil empire from Montecito in Boston Garden West.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: castle on December 09, 2005, 04:46:36 PM
scanidihoovian,

I wish I could be there for that one...definetly make a couple before the end of the season.  You might have "use the force" to take down the Warriors.  Good luck!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: digs on December 09, 2005, 05:05:14 PM
I have a theory (that I'm sure all of you and Greg Sagar will find holes in)... 

Most of the top D3 programs have a roster made up mainly of in-state (or neighboring state) players.  There are exceptions (Williams, etc.), but even at schools that have a national student body, the team's roster has a strong regional flavor (Lawrence, Wooster). 

In thinking about this I thought of a couple of problems for SCIAC schools.  1.  Even though many of these schools have a national student body it seems that the top kids going to D3 schools have a tendancy to stay local.  2.  When I lived in SoCal I do not remember HS basketball being a big thing.  I didn't go watch any games, but it seemed that volleyball, football, baseball, soccer and even track were a bigger deal.  I doubt many people from Illinois, Indiana, etc. would say there was a bigger HS sport than basketball--maybe football, but track? get real.   I am concluding that the tallent level in SoCal is not as deep as in the midwest and I assume, the east.  This means that the coaches in the SCIAC may have less D3 level kids in their most likely recruiting base.  This leads to less talent to go around and ultimately less talent on the court.

We all know that a good portion of how good a coach is (at least in number of wins and national success) relys on the ability of the athletes he has to coach.  Thus I am giving a huge out to all of the SCIAC teams and coaches and saying that if some of the coaches that are criticized on this site were to move to a different part of the country they might have completely different fortunes.

Ok this is just a theory and I realize that there are many arguements against it, but I thought I'd throw it out for everyone to ponder.  Thoughts?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: samiam on December 09, 2005, 05:20:52 PM
QuoteThe coaching staff at Oxy is top notch.

Everyone should be allowed one delusion in life, Whiner. If you want the above statement to be your delusion, so be it.

If you had the opportunity to go to college, I would suggest you go back and take that course in logic you must have missed. It might help you out in both life and here on the board.

If you already took such a class, go back and demand that they refund your tuition. You were not well served.

Case in point: I don't think Newhall's a good coach. The only scenario you can think of is that I'm a frustrated ex-player. Good lord, please don't tell me you do any work that requires high-level thinking.

The world is full of small people who think in binary terms: not this, must be that. Well, Binary Man, enjoy your limitations. But be prepared to be called out on your narrow, ignorant diatribes.

Again, it goes to show how petty the SCIAC is if one good season out of 18 demands I give respect to someone who takes decent players and underachives. Maybe that's the way you like coaches in Southern California. The rest of us demand a little more from our AAU and high school coaches, let alone someone who is supposed to be running a college program.

Getting back to your mindset--and I don't have finger puppets to explain it to you, so maybe you can understand if I speak in your either/or world view: Since you support Newhall, you must be one of his current players who got lots of playing time. Ergo, you think you got better under him and he taught you well. Gee, I must be right. I used Whiner's logic.

Get out of SCIAC once in while. Heck, come out east and we'll show you some eighth grade AAU teams that can beat anybody the SCIAC wants to send out.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 09, 2005, 05:28:37 PM
It's hard to prove your theory empirically, Digs -- there's a million other factors such as demographics, institutional support, etc., that need to be taken into consideration as well -- but there may actually be some truth to it. I've said in this room more than once that SoCal natives often have a difficult time understanding just how close basketball comes to being a religion in the midwest. It's not just the Hoosiers myth, either, although the basketball-crazed milieu in small towns that was at the heart of that movie is still very much a part of the landscape. In urban areas, the passion for hoops is just as strong, particularly in black communities. In suburban areas it's lessened only by comparison, not by degree.

It's this passionate devotion to the game that is at the heart of the midwest's dominance in D3 basketball. I grew up in the northeast, and I can tell you unequivocally that the devotion to the game is not as strong there as it is in the heartland.

If the resources are there, I don't think that SCIAC coaches would be hurt by attempting to recruit midwestern kids as well as the local ones they already pursue. The huge (and often decisive) advantage that SoCal schools have over their counterpart institutions up here in the tall corn is weather. Right now we're under about a foot of snow here in Chicago, and across the lake in MIAA country they're already digging themselves out of about three or so feet of the white stuff. On the other hand, I'm willing to bet that I could walk across the Whittier or Cal Lutheran campuses in a t-shirt and a pair of shorts right now. In fact, I just checked www.weather.com and discovered that it's 71 degrees and sunny in Los Angeles. Don't think for a moment that every 17-year-old kid in Wisconsin or Indiana or Iowa whose mother has ordered him outside to shovel the driveway isn't painfully aware of this sort of thing.

If I was a good high-school ballplayer in the midwest who had a yen to go away to school rather than go someplace local, I'd certainly give a thought to going someplace warm.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: samiam on December 09, 2005, 05:30:11 PM
Hey digs:

I like your thoughts. I think they might hold some validity. However, Los Angeles basketball--including AAU, summer leagues, and high school--has been growing in popularity for years. I've noticed this as a former resident and as a basketball fan away from the state for a years. I've watched some of these kids kick butt in national tourneys (these kids usually wind up in JCs or DI though).

If most people stay local (and I don't know that they do), the population base for SCIAC to draw from is huge. What is the LA area up now 9 - 10 million people? There are more colleges and universities in SoCal, so that would have to be taken into consideration too.

It could be that small towns have a higher percentage of kids who are more gifted and who stay locally, but that would have to be a whopping differential to be true.

All in all, like most things: I don't know. But it's a interesting theory. Thanks for the post.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on December 09, 2005, 05:33:30 PM
So Samiam


If you're back east, how do you have any personal knowledge about Newall, the Oxy program or the SCIAC other that what you read on the boards?  You seem awfully embittered toward Newhall for someone who has no first hand experience . . . or am I being binary? :D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on December 09, 2005, 05:35:42 PM
And . . . as I posted on the football boards . . . Oxy loses a lot of its recruits to the UC system based on costs . . . good athletes who could contribute at D3 schools but decide to go to a big public university to save the ducats and who play intramurals rather than incur the cost of a residential small liberal arts college experience.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: samiam on December 09, 2005, 05:55:04 PM
QuoteYou seem awfully embittered toward Newhall for someone who has no first hand experience . . . or am I being binary?

Not binary in the least. I don't have anything against Newhall. Someone posted something about the kids not being able to do something or pull out a win or something. I think I just responded that the frontcourt was fine; they just needed some adjustments and more coaching. It was a specific Oxy statement because coaches seem to get a free pass around here.

I'm not a fan of Oxy or anyone in the SCIAC. I love basketball though and have roots in SoCal. So I keep an eye on lots of schools.

If you like, I'd be happy to share my comments about Smith or Dow. Geez, you SCIAC guys really have the stereotypical short man's complex.

Again, apologies for ruffling feathers. I thought I was just stating something that was obvious . . . which is about all I'm capable of stating. I'm not that smart. And if I know someone's not a great coach, you can be sure most everyone else already knows it.

I'll go back to lurking now. Enjoy the season. I hope it goes well for all the schools and fans.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WestCoastWhiner on December 09, 2005, 06:00:18 PM
SamIAmAJVPlayerWhoWasBetterThanThe3GuysatMyPositionThatNewhallPlayedAheadofMe,

Lots of folks like you carry hefty loads on their backs for years about missed opportunities.  Life ain't about blame bro.  Leaders learn how to accept personal responsibility.  There was a reason you never started; you weren't as good as the guys ahead of you.  And we can see from your posts that mentally you are soft.  It wasn't the coaches fault that you weren't as good as the other guys.  

I could go into detail about several guys in any given year who the staff at Oxy made better.  I'd rather not, however, because nobody on the board here really cares.  The people on this thread are fairly knowledgeable and don't deal with JV personnel issues.    

If you want to hate on Newhall, get a ticket, fly back, and tell the coaches to let you get a run against the JV team.  I'll make sure it is video-taped then I'll put it on a blog where folks here can download it and see the truth for themselves.  



Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on December 09, 2005, 06:13:52 PM
The geographic scope of the basketball team and that of the student body in general are unrelated concepts, at least among the decent hoops programs.  The latter is only relevant to the former if students "go out" for basketball, which really isn't the case at any school I have any knowledge of.  The admissions department, with their relatively vast web of alumni and other contacts, recruit nationally or even internationally.  The basketball coaches tend to recruit close to home, places where the assistant in charge of recruiting can get to for a Friday night game.  Those kids who do come from far away to play for a program like Wooster or Lawrence tend to recruit themselves; that is, the take the initiative to contact the coach, send game films, etc.  Or at least that is my impression.

I certainly think there must be plenty of talent in the LA Basin to fill out the rosters of all the universities, colleges, and JUCOs around here.  SoCal high school basketball may not be the be-all end-all that it is in Indiana and (to a lesser extent) Ohio, Illinois, Michigan, etc. (football-first states), but I doubt that there's a significant talent gap (if there is any at all) between these states and the Golden State.

I realize that doesn't answer your question, and maybe even tends to support the SCIAC-coaches-are-suspect arguments of samiam (who, BTW, lost his only karma point for his smart-alecky post).  I reserve judgment on the coaching out here until I have seen some of it firsthand.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: samiam on December 09, 2005, 06:17:17 PM
Wait a sec. I lost a karma point? Shoot. How many do I need before I get a free pizza?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: samiam on December 09, 2005, 06:38:17 PM
Whiner, I can't respond to your latest post because I don't think they'll take credit on my karma account.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dj_hyphen on December 09, 2005, 06:51:50 PM
Quote from: digs on December 09, 2005, 05:05:14 PM
Thoughts?

if you're trying to say that the high school basketball talent pool in southern california is weak, i really don't know what to tell you.  that's absurd man
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WestCoastWhiner on December 09, 2005, 07:38:53 PM
Schools like Pomona, Claremont & Oxy pull most of their student bodies nationally anyway so even if So Cal had a small pool of talent (which it definitely doesn't - note that when Carthage won the national championship their stud was from the OC), then they still should be able to pull some kids from elsewhere.  Pomona always has - as has Claremont.  Not really Oxy or anyone else - although Redlands used to have good success pulling out of AZ.  I think it was DJ who correctly pointed out a few years ago, however, that in So Cal the SCIAC schools have many other regional competitors (lots of NAIA & DII teams, in addition to mid-tier DI programs).   

But at the end of the day I think it comes down to closing skills, effort, creativity & dollars.  Pomona should really always have the best talent because it is the best school.  If they are able to get someone in, the close is less difficult for them because the school is so great.  For every 5 targeted guys that Kats is able to get in to Pomona, I would be surprised if he can't get commits from a majority of them.  The same goes to a slightly lesser degree with Claremont.  Everyone else has a tough, tough sell.  Big $ for degrees at lower ranked schools. 

But I'll be that folks from other regions will point to similar issues elsewhere.  It is the classic liberal arts issue.  Amherst, Williams, Wooster, Puget Sound - all have nonetheless found ways to consistently bring in plenty of horses.         

 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on December 09, 2005, 08:10:33 PM
Quote from: WestCoastWhiner on December 09, 2005, 07:38:53 PMnote that when Carthage won the national championship their stud was from the OC) 

???

I don't think that's ever happened, at least not in D3.  I'm not sure who you are thinking of.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WestCoastWhiner on December 09, 2005, 09:16:06 PM
My bad - I was thinking about Gibbs from Otterbein.  Superstud from Cali. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on December 09, 2005, 09:44:18 PM
Quote from: scandihoovian on December 09, 2005, 03:00:42 PM
Quote from: diehardfan on December 08, 2005, 08:37:22 PM
Quote

As a Cal Tech fan, I feel pretty safe from being a villain  :D

Shoot - I thought you'd pledged your allegiance to Cal Lu (we're young this year and could use the support  :) )

Big game for the Kingsmen tomorrow night vs. Westmont.  Final matchup vs. the evil empire from Montecito in Boston Garden West.

Lol... it is still early. I'm sure my allegiences can be bought.  :D

Quote from: dj_hyphen on December 09, 2005, 06:51:50 PM
Quote from: digs on December 09, 2005, 05:05:14 PM
Thoughts?

if you're trying to say that the high school basketball talent pool in Southern California is weak, i really don't know what to tell you. that's absurd man

Yeah, I doubt that seriously. Jon Steven, probably the most talented player Wheaton has had in my time following hoops, was from Yorba Linda.

Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 09, 2005, 05:28:37 PM
In fact, I just checked www.weather.com and discovered that it's 71 degrees and sunny in Los Angeles. Don't think for a moment that every 17-year-old kid in Wisconsin or Indiana or Iowa whose mother has ordered him outside to shovel the driveway isn't painfully aware of this sort of thing.

If I was a good high-school ballplayer in the midwest who had a yen to go away to school rather than go someplace local, I'd certainly give a thought to going someplace warm.

Yeah, the weather is pretty nice here. You could always comes visit me Greg.  :D ;)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 10, 2005, 12:27:48 PM
Quote from: WestCoastWhiner on December 09, 2005, 09:16:06 PM
My bad - I was thinking about Gibbs from Otterbein.  Superstud from Cali. 

Gibbs was from Columbus, OH.

Quote from: David Collinge on December 09, 2005, 06:13:52 PMSoCal high school basketball may not be the be-all end-all that it is in Indiana and (to a lesser extent) Ohio, Illinois, Michigan, etc. (football-first states), but I doubt that there's a significant talent gap (if there is any at all) between these states and the Golden State.

DC, Illinois is very much a basketball-first state, not a football-first state. And that's an across-the-board (urban, suburban, rural) reality. It's true of Iowa and Wisconsin as well.

I don't know if there is a talent gap or not between SoCal and the midwest in terms of prep basketball. I tend to doubt it. But I would not be at all surprised if the average skill level is higher in the midwest, where the "gym rat" phenomenon is a way of life and the lack of outdoor recreational possiblities for one-third of the year tends to give kids tunnel vision with regard to the sport.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on December 11, 2005, 01:56:28 PM
I saw #1 ranked Illinois Weslyan play yesterday and they abosulutely dominated Wash U (St. Louis).  They are big, fast, and can shoot the lights out.  Their point guard made a couple of passes that were unreal.  It was an 8 point game at the half, but IWU dominated the first 5 mins of the 2nd half and the game was over.  They sent wave after wave...

If I'm not mistaken, this is the same Wash U team that beat Pomona and Clarmeont a few weeks ago by 10 points, or so...

As hard as this is for me to admit, having lived in the midwest, the east coast and SoCal, I can say now that the talent gap between the top teams here in the midwest (especially if IWU is any indication) is huge. 

When IWU took the court for warmups, it was evident that they would beat any SCIAC team by at least 20+ points.  Oh, if we could get some of these midwest studs for a visit to SoCal...

A side note...There must have been close to 350 IWU supporters who made the trip.  It was impossible to tell that it was a Wash U home game, save the logo on the court.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bballfan2 on December 11, 2005, 04:43:13 PM
When they took the court for warm-ups?....yeah ok, and you're Jerry West. What's your thinking, oh my look at how that 6'4" player made a fluid left handed lay-up and now he hit 2 catch and shoot 3's in a row. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that you're wrong about them beating any team by 20+...I'd say more but I haven't watched them play. You probably didn't see the Wash U game's here though either. Wash U was lucky to get 2 W's, both games could have gone either way. CMS actually misses a freethrow to win with about 10 seconds left.

What I do know is: Oxy played Azusa within 20, PP's played UCSD tight, and that the quality of play for most teams changes dramatically between Thanksgiving and Christmas so comparing a team playing in December to a team playing in November is pretty much a waste of time if the team's any good.

Maybe you'll get to see the games between OXY, PP and Amherst those will be a much better indication of where teams are.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on December 11, 2005, 05:01:35 PM
Quote from: bballfan2 on December 11, 2005, 04:43:13 PM
When they took the court for warm-ups?....yeah ok, and you're Jerry West.

Hmmm...Jerry West.  Born and raised in West Virginia.  More evidence of a talent gap?  :D

IWU is hardly representative of the quality of player at the better midwestern D3 programs.  Messrs. Dauskas, Amelianovich, and company are by all accounts special players who could be playing for some lower-echelon D1 programs.  It's not that any one of them is the best thing since sliced bread so much as it is that there's so many of them together at one time.  They are the exception.  The general case is that a top-tier midwestern team will have a very good player at post or wing, another at point, and a solid, well-coached supporting cast.  And frankly that describes the "Oxy Salem Pavers" of a few years ago; Finn Rebasso was as good a player at the D3 level as I have ever seen.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 11, 2005, 05:34:18 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 07, 2005, 01:23:01 AM
Quote from: bballfan2 on December 06, 2005, 02:49:32 PM
The only thing that will hurt Chapman's Tourny hopes if you're right is that they play at least 7 games against teams that are almost guaranteed victories. Home/Aways with La Serria, UC Santa Cruz, and West Coast Baptist. A game against Cal Tech. Also if whittier and La Verne don't do well in sciac that will hurt their strength. When I see their schedule I think they need at least 23 wins to be a guaranteed bid come tourny time.  They might do it though, they've looked good so far

The number of overall wins Chapman (or any other team, for that matter) has will have no bearing whatsoever upon whether or not the Panthers get a ticket to the big dance. It's regional wins that matter, not overall wins. Also, keep in mind that Chapman is an independent, and thus a Pool B contender. As those of us who follow the D3 scene are well aware, the bar is set a lot lower to get a Pool B bid than it is for Pools A and C.

Greg, the Pool B bar is lower than Pools A and C, but so far, I see Maryville and Lincoln as strong contenders for the first 2 of the 4 Pool B bids.

The NIIC is back in Pool B this year, but the conference seems to be weaker than in the last few years.   An inconsistent Bethany is trying to make some noise.

Chapman has 12 in-region games.  I can easily see them going 10-2 in the West Region (a possible loss to George Fox or an off-night vs. someone else.)  The critical factor for Chapman will be getting some lucky breaks on the QOWI numbers of their opponents, like lots of teams falling 10-10 (a 12-13 QOW point win) instead of 9-11 (a 10-11 QOW win) or a Chapman opponent eking out a 12-6 in-region record (14-15 QOW point win) instead of 11-7 (a 12-13 QOW point win).

The UC-Santa Cruz wins will pull their QOWI down.  I wonder if Chapman might not need 2 more in-region wins from a "D3Independents" post-season tournament to boost the winning percentage.

As for the Playoffs, I can see Southern California as being one of the 3 team brackets.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on December 11, 2005, 06:05:29 PM
bball fan2,

I may have been exagerrating a bit, but it was clear during warmups...from the sheer size, strength and speed aspect...that they were a superior team...I would just say that I was impressed.  December, January, or March, this team was pretty damn good.

I am in no way downing the SCIAC.  Anyone on this board knows where I stand...I'm just saying that "if" IWU played any of our teams...it wouldn't be that pretty.



Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 11, 2005, 06:53:46 PM
Quote from: OxyFan21 on December 11, 2005, 06:05:29 PM
bball fan2,

I may have been exagerrating a bit, but it was clear during warmups...from the sheer size, strength and speed aspect...that they were a superior team...I would just say that I was impressed.  December, January, or March, this team was pretty damn good.

I am in no way downing the SCIAC.  Anyone on this board knows where I stand...I'm just saying that "if" IWU played any of our teams...it wouldn't be that pretty.





No one should take that as a 'shot' at the SCIAC.  The IWU team IS special this year (while it is WAY too early to be thinking such thoughts, I admit that I've been wondering how they rank among the all-time d3 teams)!  As David Collinge noted, while no player is a top-notch all-timer (though Adam Dauksas DID outplay Dee Brown [last year's Big Ten POY] in their exhibition game), the combination of Dauksas, Amelianovich, the Jones twins, the Freeman twins, etc., all at the same time is AMAZING. 

Basically, NO one comes out of the CCIW without a loss, but I stated (before the season) that IWU had a 10% chance of running the table (including the national tourney) - I've now upgraded this to 25%.  Yesterday they apparently felt that WashU was uncomfortably close at -9 (shortly after half-time) - they promptly went on a 21-0 run!

Yes, whether or not these guys can run the table (or could beat all SCIAC teams by 20+), they are NOT to be confused with usual good teams in the Midwest (or anywhere).
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Titan Q on December 11, 2005, 07:47:09 PM
IWU has 2 players who would start at Illinois State, the Division 1 team a mile down the street and member of the Missouri Valley Conference.  Coaches at ISU have told me that 6-3 All-American point-guard Adam Dauksas and 6-6 All-American wing Keelan Amelianovich would start for the Redbirds without question.  This duo would start for a lot of mid-major D1 teams, as ISU is.  6-7 junior post player Zach Freeman (17.3 ppg, 8.0 rpg) is probably the most talented of the 3 and could play for plenty of D1's as well (had a full-ride to D1 Murray State actually).

The 2005-06 IWU squad is a special team...maybe the most talented IWU squad I have seen in 16 years around the program.  And in that stretch IWU has won 8 CCIW titles, made 3 trips to Salem, and won one national title (1997).  We will see how it plays out and if the talent leads to a trip to the Final Four.  (The 1994-95, 1995-96, and 1996-97 teams were right there talent-wise.)

I agree that one should not gauge the caliber of midwest play by watching IWU...this Titan team is a couple notches above other good teams in the region.  I'd caution someone the same way when discussing any legit top 5 team - in other words, it wouldn't be fair to use Wooster or Wittenberg either.   IWU's combination of size and athleticism (both were really on display yesterday at Wash U) is something you just don't see much in Division III.  It has been a treat to watch this group play.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 11, 2005, 07:53:59 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on December 11, 2005, 05:34:18 PMAs for the Playoffs, I can see Southern California as being one of the 3 team brackets.

The special Thursday/Saturday three-team brackets seem to be designed with the west coast and your Texan compatriots in mind, Ralph.

Nice breakdown of the Pool B situation vis-a-vis Chapman. I hope you're going to be tracking this in the Bumblin' B's room again -- I get the feeling that the people who follow those teams really aren't on top of the nuances of the QOWI system.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 1992 on December 11, 2005, 09:01:30 PM
Tough weekend for Claremont.  Didn't do the SCIAC much good for them to go up to the Northwest and drop two.

Lowery seems to have Pacific improving, all the time he spent under Kats couldn't have hurt.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: digs on December 12, 2005, 10:14:36 AM
Quote from: dj_hyphen on December 09, 2005, 06:51:50 PM
Quote from: digs on December 09, 2005, 05:05:14 PM
Thoughts?

if you're trying to say that the high school basketball talent pool in southern california is weak, i really don't know what to tell you. that's absurd man

In my original statement I said " This means that coaches in the SCIAC may have less D3 level kids in their most likely recruiting base."   

I was not talking about high end talent.  I was also not talking about the talented kid who either can't go to a D3 school financially or academically or the talented kid that would rather go to USC because of the big school draw.  I was talking about the kid with talent that would more than likely seriously consider a D3 school.

I feel that there are more of these kids in the midwest.  We have abundant talent in the cities (Chicago, Indianapolis, Milwaukee, etc.), but also have a lot of small town kids with the skills to make an impact at d3.  These small town kids are also the ones that have been highlighted in the local paper for years for their athletic abilities, so they have grown to like the "fame" that athletics bring them.  They can continue this fame if they go to college x, y or z rather than going to the Big state schools and not playing. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dj_hyphen on December 12, 2005, 10:45:36 AM
^^i can see that...but it's such a pointless arugment/analysis to make, because there's absolutely no way of proving which area has more Johnny Jumpshooters than the other.

I think each school in the SCIAC has its own recruiting issues, but for the two traditional powers, CMS and PP, it's really a combination of high academic standards and low emphasis by the administrations.  Pomona is literally one of the hardest schools in the country to get in to...and potential athletes don't get much, if any, advantage over the other applicants.  Theoretically, they should have an advantage by using Pitzer's lower standards (although, of course, those standards are still decent and higher than the rest of SCIAC, save CMS and Cal Tech...and probably equal to Oxy).  However, Pitzer's administration couldn't care less about athletics...they're too busy fleecing their students for every nickel and dime they can get, in a lame attempt to improve their now outdated facilities.  That said, it's obvious that the best chance to improve PP's recruiting is to utilize the unique situation the two schools are in.  These days, PP only gets one or two kids from Pitzer even playing on the team...and with the notable exception of Martin a few years ago and now Knowles, they're rarely impact players.  (**i've since been reminded that some of PP's best players over the years...Quinett, Hewitt, Lange, Duque, and the SCIAC version of JKidd, none other than Pacific's current coach, Lowery...all were Pitzer guys.  But I'm referring to the last 6 years or so.**)


Anyway...word is that Crumley, the shooter from CMS, decided to quit the team on their NW road trip.  Although he never had as much of an impact as expected, he was still one of the best shooters in the league and a big player for them.  With Saunders, the poor man's Matt Geiger, quitting a few weeks ago, and Zazulia last year...what's goin on over at CMS?  I'm waiting for Turner to try to transfer back to PP  :D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on December 12, 2005, 12:38:27 PM
Why West Coast D3 is sub-par to the midwest.....

I grew up in the riverside area, played college ball in the midwest, coached h.s. ball in the midwest and here is my take......

The biggest reason for SoCal D3's not competing at the same level of midwestern D3's is directly attributed to the Number of NAIA and Division 2 programs in SoCal.  I played at Monmouth College in Monmouth, Il a very small town in west central illinois.  From MC there was only one NAIA school within an hours drive, Bradley and Illinois State were the only two D1's within 2 hours drive and there were less than 5 (estimate b/c i can not remember exactly) JuCo's within a two hours drive.  in Contrast there are three Major D3 conferences in a 2-3 hour radius that all have nationally ranked teams playing in them CCIW, MWC, SLIAC and the NIIA is also close enough for rural kids to know about.  In illinois specifically one you get out of chicago there is literally nothing else in the state.  And chicago doesnt even have a major college basketball program, unless you want to count Depaul.  In illinois if you are not good enough to play at U of IL. then you go to Southeastern CC or you go D3. 

In Socal if you cant go to USC or UCLA, then you go to one of the hundreds of Juco, which are all heavily nationally recruited b/c of the talent level.  if you dont want to go the juco route then you go to one of the seemingly hundreds of NAIA schools or D2's in the area.  The point is that the "basketball scholarship" or the myth of the full ride is what drives Socal kids away from D3's and towards "the money."  Anyone who thinks that there is more "talent" in any sport, Especially bball, in a state outside of Cali is crazy.  Kids in the midwest go to D3 schools b/c that is the extent of their options.  kids in Cali, specifically socal, do not go to D3's b/c someone is always willing to offer kids the obligatory "bball scholarship."

NAIA institutions are the deathkill to Socal D3's......
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WestCoastWhiner on December 12, 2005, 05:59:00 PM
Thanks for the input OFS, good stuff.  DJ, always has good insight.  But I'm left after reading your email with a big, "I hear you, but find a way."  Coach K is a great, great coach.  Pomona is a great school.  Throw in the unique 5 college campuses, a freak or two at Scripps and the outstanding facilities and Pomona should be able to compete with Amherst, Williams & the  smartest Wooster players.  Heck, Pomona offers a compelling opporunity to the kid getting losely recruited by a low Ivy.   Pull some strings and have Baldwin drive over from the beach to talk to Kats and his staff.  "Hey guys, it takes brass balls to sell the SCIAC.  I could go out tonight, with the leads you have, and bring in 2 all-americans."

CMS offers a similar compelling opportunity. 

Oxy is screwed because its academic standards are higher than its stagnant academic standing supports.  Redlands, well, tough to sell the IE.  CLU, might turn some things around with the new facility.  Not sure how much the admin will play ball at CLU but they have an opportunity.  Whittier, nice facility but expensive and why go there if you can go somewhere else?  LV, the tent? 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bballfan2 on December 12, 2005, 11:51:51 PM
Also, So Cal has no D3 state schools that I know of other than UCSC, who seems to not care about being bad, this means every kid that goes to a SCIAC school needs 40G or to get a good aid package. That said, it's that's the same with NESCAC schools like Williams, or Amherst, but they also get slots for players which PP doesn't. 

That said I know of kids that have turned down scholarships to come to school in the SCIAC, and kids that have turned down Pomona to go play in the NAIA, which if you figure look at estimated future income is probably an awful decision regarless of expense. 

My belief is that if the top 3 SCIAC schools we'll say OXY, PP, and Cal lu historicly played a season in the mid-west that the better compitition would lead to better play, and they'd be competitive.

Get Cal tech out of the conference, bring in Chapman, UCSD should go D3 again, and come over as well (they're a HORRIBLE D2 team), Redlands should be put on league probation until they decide to play real basketball and be competitive.

The schools should hire ONE person to be incharge of press release, it's not hard they could have a budget to hire an intern at each school if they needed help with a few write ups. Oh and all SCIAC schools should have slots, it makes a big difference if every year you can get 2 kids with an 1100 (old sat system i know) and a 3.2gpa.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Loggerville on December 13, 2005, 12:24:04 AM
Quote from: bballfan2 on December 12, 2005, 11:51:51 PM
Also, So Cal has no D3 state schools that I know of other than UCSC, who seems to not care about being bad, this means every kid that goes to a SCIAC school needs 40G or to get a good aid package. That said, it's that's the same with NESCAC schools like Williams, or Amherst, but they also get slots for players which PP doesn't. 

bbf - you raise some interesting points.  However, the cost issue is a challenge for the majority of D3 privates schools, so I don't see that as a unique factor to the SCIAC.  Plus, with the depth of talent in CA I find it hard to believe that there aren't quality student athletes for your programs to recruit. 

Just as an aside, two of the top five scorers in the NWC have California ties.  Heu-Weller went to CMS and Curtiss is from Santa Barbara.  And as the PP program well knows, two seasons ago it was a CA-native back court of four players that pushed the Loggers over the Sagehens - Cross, Glynn, Curtiss, and Mendoza - in the NCAA's.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 13, 2005, 12:59:11 AM
Quote from: bballfan2 on December 12, 2005, 11:51:51 PMMy belief is that if the top 3 SCIAC schools we'll say OXY, PP, and Cal lu historicly played a season in the mid-west that the better compitition would lead to better play, and they'd be competitive.

Competitive where? The midwest is a vast area as far as D3 is concerned, covering two whole regions (Midwest and Great Lakes) and parts of two others (West and South). Even if we're just talking about the Midwest Region proper, there's a huge spectrum there in terms of competitive levels -- ranging all the way from the CCIW (which by common acclamation is the second-best league in D3 after the WIAC in terms of overall strength) down to the SLIAC (which is probably one of the weakest leagues in D3). That's a huge range just within one region.

Quote from: Old Fighting Scot on December 12, 2005, 12:38:27 PMThe biggest reason for SoCal D3's not competing at the same level of midwestern D3's is directly attributed to the Number of NAIA and Division 2 programs in SoCal. I played at Monmouth College in Monmouth, Il a very small town in west central illinois. From MC there was only one NAIA school within an hours drive, Bradley and Illinois State were the only two D1's within 2 hours drive and there were less than 5 (estimate b/c i can not remember exactly) JuCo's within a two hours drive. in Contrast there are three Major D3 conferences in a 2-3 hour radius that all have nationally ranked teams playing in them CCIW, MWC, SLIAC and the NIIA is also close enough for rural kids to know about. In illinois specifically one you get out of chicago there is literally nothing else in the state. And chicago doesnt even have a major college basketball program, unless you want to count Depaul. In illinois if you are not good enough to play at U of IL. then you go to Southeastern CC or you go D3.

In Socal if you cant go to USC or UCLA, then you go to one of the hundreds of Juco, which are all heavily nationally recruited b/c of the talent level. if you dont want to go the juco route then you go to one of the seemingly hundreds of NAIA schools or D2's in the area. The point is that the "basketball scholarship" or the myth of the full ride is what drives Socal kids away from D3's and towards "the money." Anyone who thinks that there is more "talent" in any sport, Especially bball, in a state outside of Cali is crazy. Kids in the midwest go to D3 schools b/c that is the extent of their options. kids in Cali, specifically socal, do not go to D3's b/c someone is always willing to offer kids the obligatory "bball scholarship."

NAIA institutions are the deathkill to Socal D3's......

Sorry, OFS, but there's a lot of misinformation in your post. First, keep in mind that it's dicey to compare the number of institutions of higher learning (at whatever levels) between two areas of the country without taking demographics into consideration. Southern California -- or, to be more precise, Santa Barbara, Ventura, Los Angeles, Orange, and San Diego counties, and the western fringes of San Bernardino and Riverside counties -- is one of the most densely-populated regions of the United States. The midwest, which covers a much broader area, is by contrast very sparsely populated. The area that you speak of in particular around Monmouth College, western Illinois, is sparsely-populated farm country (and what little population is there is shrinking). Right there your argument takes an apples-and-oranges turn for the worse.

Next, you're underestimating the number of jucos in the area. There are 26 NJCAA Region IV (northern Illinois) junior colleges, and 19 NJCAA Region XXIV (central and southern Illinois) junior colleges, and except for the ones in Chicago proper all of them recruit the entire state. Just take a look at the rosters of Sauk Valley, Blackhawk, Rock Valley, Kankakee, etc.

Chicago doesn't have only one D1 school. It has four within the city limits alone (DePaul, Loyola, Illinois-Chicago, and Chicago State), and two more within the greater metro area (Northwestern and Northern Illinois, although DeKalb is a bit of a stretch in terms of delineating the outer rim of the metro area). Schools from all across the country recruit in the Chicagoland area, because it's such a hotbed of prep hoops -- and that includes such other Illinois D1s as the University of Illinois, Eastern Illinois, Illinois State, Western Illinois, Bradley, and Southern Illinois.

Illinois has plenty of other four-year scholarship programs as well. Perhaps the best D2 conference in the entire country, the Great Lakes Valley Conference, has three members within the Land of Lincoln: Lewis, SIU-Edwardsville, and Quincy. There are two NAIA Division 1 conferences that have members within the state, the Chicagoland Collegiate Athletic Conference (Olivet Nazarene, Robert Morris - Chicago, St. Xavier, Illinois Tech, and St. Francis) and the American Midwest Conference (McKendree and Illinois-Springfield), and an NAIA Division 2 conference (Judson, Trinity International, and Trinity Christian). There's also an up-and-coming USCAA program that grants basketball scholies: Robert Morris - Springfield. Usually, although not always, the NCAA D2 and NAIA D1 programs beat out the local D3 schools for recruits -- which stands to reason, since they can give athletic scholarships and the D3 schools can't.

If you're talking about the greater midwest, then your comments about NAIA competition are even more off the mark. The midwest has no fewer than ten NAIA-2 leagues, as well as parts of two others. Southern California has one. The midwest has two NAIA-1 leagues. Southern California has one. Also, there are four full NCAA D2 leagues within the midwest, and the greater part of a fifth. Southern California has about a half-dozen state schools that are D2 members.

Such statements as, "In Illinois, if you're not good enough to play at the University of Illinois, then you play at Southeastern CC or you go D3," and, "Kids in the midwest go to D3 schools because that is the extent of their options" are just plain wrong.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciacguru on December 13, 2005, 04:43:06 AM
OFS......I am right there with you on your statements.  The NAIA and D2 schools drastically hurt the SCIAC schools.  Look at Westmont, they just took it to CLU, but they and Concordia, barely got by the 2nd or 3rd best team in CCIW with Carthage.  From what I understand, AZUSA is legit, but I dont think any other team in the GSAC would finish 1st or 2nd in the CCIW.....this year.  But what it boils down to is the administration.  Yes, UPS has and is having success with SoCal players....but what you need to remember is that the NWC was once a national power conference in athletics as NAIA.  And that has carried over while being D3.  You can thank Linfield for that.  So the administration has continued to make athletics a priority or an important aspect of student life at their particular institutions.  Look at all of UPS teams (except football)....they all are successful because their administration allows it to be....and by administrtation....I mean financial aid and admissions by direct order of the president.  Those two offices in the SCIAC couldnt tell the difference between a football and a basketball and wouldnt care to either.  Basically, if an institution's president attends athletic events for enjoyment rather than to host alumni, then there is a pretty good chance the team's will be successful.  So next time you are at a SCIAC event.....any athletic event....look for the president.  I betcha UPS' and Illinois Wesleyan's president are around.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 13, 2005, 05:26:45 AM
Quote from: sciacguru on December 13, 2005, 04:43:06 AM
Look at Westmont, they just took it to CLU, but they and Concordia, barely got by the 2nd or 3rd best team in CCIW with Carthage.

In the interest of accuracy, I should point out that Carthage actually split with Concordia-Irvine. The Californians won the first contest by three points, while their Wisconsin-based counterparts took the rematch three days later by fourteen points. Westmont beat Carthage, 72-69 in overtime, in between the two contests between Carthage and Concordia-Irvine.

The early consensus is that Carthage is a middle-of-the-pack squad in the CCIW this season and not the second- or third-best team, although this is based upon early and thoroughly inconclusive evidence. They certainly haven't been playing like world-beaters since they returned from Hawaii.

Quote from: sciacguru on December 13, 2005, 04:43:06 AMFrom what I understand, AZUSA is legit, but I dont think any other team in the GSAC would finish 1st or 2nd in the CCIW.....this year.

That's very hard to say with any degree of accuracy or verifiability. Carthage is a bit of a mess right now, but nobody who follows the CCIW denies their talent. And yet they certainly did not dominate either Westmont or Concordia-Irvine. And I'd say that Azusa Pacific is a lot more than merely "legit"; they're currently ranked fourth in the nation in NAIA-1. The evidence provided by Carthage does sort of support your statement, but what I'm saying is that that evidence is meager -- especially in light of the fact that the CCIW has yet to play a single conference game.

Quote from: sciacguru on December 13, 2005, 04:43:06 AMYes, UPS has and is having success with SoCal players....but what you need to remember is that the NWC was once a national power conference in athletics as NAIA. And that has carried over while being D3. You can thank Linfield for that.

... except that the NWC has not established itself as a national power conference in D3 basketball, which is the only sport germane to this discussion.

The NWC has been a D3 league for six years now. Not counting the games played between NWC members, the league has mustered a 6-6 record in the D3 tournament over those six years, with an overall point differential of +11. They have no Final Four appearances, and one Elite Eight appearance, in those six seasons. But take away their wins over the SCIAC's representatives, and the NWC's D3 tourney record falls to 3-6, with an overall point differential of -44. The six teams that beat the NWC reps? UW-Stevens Point in 2000, Chicago in 2001, Carthage in 2002, Gustavus Adolphus in 2003, UW-Stevens Point in both 2004 and 2005 -- all midwestern teams. The only team from the tall corn to succumb to an NWC team thus far is UW-Oshkosh, which was beaten by Lewis & Clark, 79-71, in the 2002 Midwest/West sectional semis.

The NWC has a long way to go to establish itself as a national power conference in D3 basketball.

You guys are certainly much more familiar than am I with the whys and wherefores of the SCIAC's inability to secure institutional support for its basketball teams. I have to say that I've enjoyed reading your hypotheses. I've learned a lot about the SCIAC institutions (mostly regarding their administrations' indifference to athletics) through this room.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dj_hyphen on December 13, 2005, 11:02:18 AM
Quote from: Random Poster
The sky is blue.

Quote from: Gregory Sager
Your post reeks of misinformation.  In the interest of accuracy, I should point out that the sky itself is not blue.  In actuality, light moving through the atmosphere combines with molecules in the air to scatter blue light back to your eyes.  Keep in mind that this same Blue Light program has traditionally performed very poorly in the NESCAC, only once winning the conference (the vaunted 1973 team led by Johnny Jumpshooter, a native of Ventura, CA by the way...a talent SCIACGuru no doubt remembers  ;)).  This year, the early consensus is that Blue Light is again performing poorly.  Nobody denies their talent, but the evidence provided in snowbird games played below the 37th parallel, on odd numbered Wednesdays, with AM start times, during Republican presidencies, indicates they have not been as impressive as you SCIAC posters may otherwise assume.  Perhaps your own lack of success in the tournament (may I remind you that the SCIAC is the D3 equivalent of the Big West conference at the D1 level...we scoff at your putrid existence) has clouded your ability to objectively look at the facts.  Such flippant statements as "the sky is blue" do not accurately tell the full story and diminish the hours of hard work Pat and myself have spent to operate this website.  I'm glad I can bombard every nether region of this board with longwinded posts to shine light on the historical and statistical framework that you may have overlooked. 

Oh...and Fosheezie... :-*
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on December 13, 2005, 01:46:55 PM
Oxy's past president, and current interim president, have been big sports fans and attend the games.  That does not mean that Oxy, or should, admit students who don't make the grade and set them up for failure.  It's damn hard to graduate from Oxy and it would be a disservice to the young man or woman who was admitted due to athletic talent if s/he didn't have the academic chops to succeed as well.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 14, 2005, 05:22:23 AM
ROTFL, DJ Hyphen!  :D :D :D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dj_hyphen on December 14, 2005, 07:02:31 PM
 :D just messin with you man
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 14, 2005, 09:35:12 PM
Yeah, I know. And it was a hilarious sendup. Well played, sir!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on December 14, 2005, 10:39:32 PM
Hyphen - That was hilarious  ;D

Sager - you're a good sport  :)

Now if I only knew what ROTFL meant I'd be in good shape  ???
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on December 14, 2005, 11:19:44 PM
Rolling On The Floor Laughing.

The 'T' is optional.

An alternative is ROFLMAO; I'll leave you to ponder the MAO part.  :)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on December 15, 2005, 08:26:43 AM
:D :D :D :D

And here I was, just thinking about the very fact that it would be so easy to make up a quote by someone, but someone beat me to the joke! :'(
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on December 15, 2005, 08:28:41 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 14, 2005, 09:35:12 PM
The SCIAC has done quite poorly in the preseason this year.

Actually Greg, it's the non-conference season... these games count, especially now that there are the extra Pool C bids.  ::) :P :D

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on December 15, 2005, 11:54:18 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 13, 2005, 12:59:11 AM
Quote from: bballfan2 on December 12, 2005, 11:51:51 PMMy belief is that if the top 3 SCIAC schools we'll say OXY, PP, and Cal lu historicly played a season in the mid-west that the better compitition would lead to better play, and they'd be competitive.

Competitive where? The midwest is a vast area as far as D3 is concerned, covering two whole regions (Midwest and Great Lakes) and parts of two others (West and South). Even if we're just talking about the Midwest Region proper, there's a huge spectrum there in terms of competitive levels -- ranging all the way from the CCIW (which by common acclamation is the second-best league in D3 after the WIAC in terms of overall strength) down to the SLIAC (which is probably one of the weakest leagues in D3). That's a huge range just within one region.

Quote from: Old Fighting Scot on December 12, 2005, 12:38:27 PMThe biggest reason for SoCal D3's not competing at the same level of midwestern D3's is directly attributed to the Number of NAIA and Division 2 programs in SoCal. I played at Monmouth College in Monmouth, Il a very small town in west central illinois. From MC there was only one NAIA school within an hours drive, Bradley and Illinois State were the only two D1's within 2 hours drive and there were less than 5 (estimate b/c i can not remember exactly) JuCo's within a two hours drive. in Contrast there are three Major D3 conferences in a 2-3 hour radius that all have nationally ranked teams playing in them CCIW, MWC, SLIAC and the NIIA is also close enough for rural kids to know about. In illinois specifically one you get out of chicago there is literally nothing else in the state. And chicago doesnt even have a major college basketball program, unless you want to count Depaul. In illinois if you are not good enough to play at U of IL. then you go to Southeastern CC or you go D3.

In Socal if you cant go to USC or UCLA, then you go to one of the hundreds of Juco, which are all heavily nationally recruited b/c of the talent level. if you dont want to go the juco route then you go to one of the seemingly hundreds of NAIA schools or D2's in the area. The point is that the "basketball scholarship" or the myth of the full ride is what drives Socal kids away from D3's and towards "the money." Anyone who thinks that there is more "talent" in any sport, Especially bball, in a state outside of Cali is crazy. Kids in the midwest go to D3 schools b/c that is the extent of their options. kids in Cali, specifically socal, do not go to D3's b/c someone is always willing to offer kids the obligatory "bball scholarship."

NAIA institutions are the deathkill to Socal D3's......

Sorry, OFS, but there's a lot of misinformation in your post. First, keep in mind that it's dicey to compare the number of institutions of higher learning (at whatever levels) between two areas of the country without taking demographics into consideration. Southern California -- or, to be more precise, Santa Barbara, Ventura, Los Angeles, Orange, and San Diego counties, and the western fringes of San Bernardino and Riverside counties -- is one of the most densely-populated regions of the United States. The midwest, which covers a much broader area, is by contrast very sparsely populated. The area that you speak of in particular around Monmouth College, western Illinois, is sparsely-populated farm country (and what little population is there is shrinking). Right there your argument takes an apples-and-oranges turn for the worse.

Next, you're underestimating the number of jucos in the area. There are 26 NJCAA Region IV (northern Illinois) junior colleges, and 19 NJCAA Region XXIV (central and southern Illinois) junior colleges, and except for the ones in Chicago proper all of them recruit the entire state. Just take a look at the rosters of Sauk Valley, Blackhawk, Rock Valley, Kankakee, etc.

Chicago doesn't have only one D1 school. It has four within the city limits alone (DePaul, Loyola, Illinois-Chicago, and Chicago State), and two more within the greater metro area (Northwestern and Northern Illinois, although DeKalb is a bit of a stretch in terms of delineating the outer rim of the metro area). Schools from all across the country recruit in the Chicagoland area, because it's such a hotbed of prep hoops -- and that includes such other Illinois D1s as the University of Illinois, Eastern Illinois, Illinois State, Western Illinois, Bradley, and Southern Illinois.

Illinois has plenty of other four-year scholarship programs as well. Perhaps the best D2 conference in the entire country, the Great Lakes Valley Conference, has three members within the Land of Lincoln: Lewis, SIU-Edwardsville, and Quincy. There are two NAIA Division 1 conferences that have members within the state, the Chicagoland Collegiate Athletic Conference (Olivet Nazarene, Robert Morris - Chicago, St. Xavier, Illinois Tech, and St. Francis) and the American Midwest Conference (McKendree and Illinois-Springfield), and an NAIA Division 2 conference (Judson, Trinity International, and Trinity Christian). There's also an up-and-coming USCAA program that grants basketball scholies: Robert Morris - Springfield. Usually, although not always, the NCAA D2 and NAIA D1 programs beat out the local D3 schools for recruits -- which stands to reason, since they can give athletic scholarships and the D3 schools can't.

If you're talking about the greater midwest, then your comments about NAIA competition are even more off the mark. The midwest has no fewer than ten NAIA-2 leagues, as well as parts of two others. Southern California has one. The midwest has two NAIA-1 leagues. Southern California has one. Also, there are four full NCAA D2 leagues within the midwest, and the greater part of a fifth. Southern California has about a half-dozen state schools that are D2 members.

Such statements as, "In Illinois, if you're not good enough to play at the University of Illinois, then you play at Southeastern CC or you go D3," and, "Kids in the midwest go to D3 schools because that is the extent of their options" are just plain wrong.

Greg you cant start an argument by yourself.  I specifically noted my location in west central illinois and in socal, specifically riverside county area b/c that is what i am familiar with.  You my friend are way off in your argumentation.

First there are no major college basketball programs in chicago.  That is a fact unless you think depaul is a major basketball program.  I did not say chicago doesnt have any D1 programs.  hell riverside has a d1 team, what does that mean, absolutely nothing!!!

Next you talk about Juco's in Northern Illinois (only reputable town in area is Rockford) Central (peoria, bloomington and springfield- all towns smaller than riverside) and southern illinois (carbondale is 6-8 hr drive from chicago and the closest metropolitan area is 5 hrs. away in Missouri (stl))  so when i say there is nothing in the state outside of chicago, i was once again CORRECT.  Also in comparing college options do i need to talk about the (what i thought was obvious) difference between juco's and midwestern d3's academically?  Once a kid realizes he isnt major D1 potential, generally he looks for a good academic choice.  you talk about the D2 conference in illinois.  ha, Lewis is usually ok, but Edwardsville and Quincy are both seen as no better than the D3 schools in the area.  When i was at MC my junior year we were up 5 with two minutes left at Edwardsville.  we finished .500 in D3 competition that year.  point being that d2 conference may be good overall but two of the three illinois teams for lack of vocabulary generally suck...  Good D3 very or very bad D2.  hmmm...

So, no i wasnt talking about the greater midwest, only illinois.  i talked specifically about west central illinois b/c that is what i know, and please do not confuse what i am saying as opinion.  I only talk about facts, disagree if you like but look at my tag and you will see what i believe....

you guys are great ;D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on December 15, 2005, 12:47:58 PM
Quote from: Old Fighting Scot on December 15, 2005, 11:54:18 AM
[...](carbondale is 6-8 hr drive from chicago and the closest metropolitan area is 5 hrs. away in Missouri (stl))[...] 

By horse and buggy, maybe.  Carbondale is less than 100 miles from St. Louis.  If you start by backtracking to I-57, you can get there in 2 hours. 

A misstatement of this magnitude casts doubt on the veracity of the rest of your "facts."
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on December 15, 2005, 01:07:17 PM
ill give you 3 hours  ;)  i may have mis estimated a bit.  unless you go ; to siuc there is not much reason to go to carbondale, thus i never have.....
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 16, 2005, 04:06:45 AM
Quote from: Old Fighting Scot on December 15, 2005, 11:54:18 AM
Greg you cant start an argument by yourself. I specifically noted my location in west central illinois and in socal, specifically riverside county area b/c that is what i am familiar with. You my friend are way off in your argumentation.

"In Illinois, if you are not good enough to play at the University of Illinois, then you go to Southeastern CC or you go D3."

"Kids in the midwest go to D3 schools because that is the extent of their options."

Do those words look familiar to you? They should ... they're yours. You posted them in this room on Monday. And they're absurd. They leave the Land of Exaggeration in the rear-view mirror, and run a red light straight into downtown Wrongville.

Yes, you specifically noted your ties to Monmouth and to the Inland Empire. And, having done that, you proceeded to make generalizations about the entire state of Illinois, and, beyond that, the entire frickin' midwest. I'm not way off in my argumentation. I'm rebutting your arguments with points about the exact same geographic areas that you addressed in your first post.

Quote from: Old Fighting Scot on December 15, 2005, 11:54:18 AMFirst there are no major college basketball programs in chicago. That is a fact unless you think depaul is a major basketball program. I did not say chicago doesnt have any D1 programs. hell riverside has a d1 team, what does that mean, absolutely nothing!!!

Uh, excuse me ... DePaul is not a "major basketball program"? This will come as quite a shock to the other schools of the Big East, which welcomed the Blue Demons into their league this season. Unless you don't think that the Big East is "major basketball", either. And if 6-1 Loyola isn't a "major basketball program", either, then Purdue has a lot of explaining to do as to why they lost to a minor basketball program the other day. Unless Purdue and its Big Ten brethren aren't "major", either. And then there's Illinois-Chicago, which has beaten Georgia Tech (ACC), Mississippi (SEC), and Northwestern (Big Ten), all within the last three weeks. Unless those leagues aren't "major", either. Wait ... we've already covered the fact that the Big Ten isn't "major". Sorry.  ;D

Your arbitrary judgments about "major"ness aside, your statement, "what does that mean, absolutely nothing!" begs the original question in context. In your original post you dismissed Chicagoland's various D1 programs out of hand right before your sentence about the U of I, Southeastern CC, and D3. Clearly, then, you're strongly implying that DePaul, Loyola, UIC, Northwestern, etc., are at the back of the line when it comes to recruits. And you could not be more wrong about that. If one of those schools wants a player and one of Illinois' D3 schools wants that same player, the D1 team gets him. Plain and simple. In other words, where D3 is concerned, the existence of those schools means a lot more than "absolutely nothing."

Quote from: Old Fighting Scot on December 15, 2005, 11:54:18 AMNext you talk about Juco's in Northern Illinois (only reputable town in area is Rockford) Central (peoria, bloomington and springfield- all towns smaller than riverside) and southern illinois (carbondale is 6-8 hr drive from chicago and the closest metropolitan area is 5 hrs. away in Missouri (stl)) so when i say there is nothing in the state outside of chicago, i was once again CORRECT.

First of all, have you ever been to Rockford? There's nothing reputable about the town at all.  ;)

Second, what part of the words, "There are 26 NJCAA Region IV (northern Illinois) junior colleges, and 19 NJCAA Region XXIV (central and southern Illinois) junior colleges" did you not understand? Shall I type them out in big letters? Underlined? Would you like me to babelfish them into another language, or act them out with finger puppets? Let's try again. The state of Illinois has 45 jucos that have basketball teams. I don't care if most of those schools are out in the middle of cornfields somewhere. Their distance to large towns is completely irrelevant. They exist, they have basketball teams, and they draw basketball players from all across the state. Look at the rosters posted on their websites if you don't believe me. F'rinstance, North Park lost out on two recruits this year that chose rural Illinois jucos; one went to Spoon River CC and the other went to Sauk Valley CC. Both schools are located way out in farm country. And both of those recruits are city kids; in fact, they were Chicago Public League players. Conversely, NPU picked up a kid from Hamilton, IL (a hamlet in west central Illinois, right on the Mississippi River) who played for a year at John Wood CC in Quincy.

Location and distance are irrelevant. These jucos offer scholies to basketball players, and kids from all over the state use them.

Quote from: Old Fighting Scot on December 15, 2005, 11:54:18 AMAlso in comparing college options do i need to talk about the (what i thought was obvious) difference between juco's and midwestern d3's academically? Once a kid realizes he isnt major D1 potential, generally he looks for a good academic choice. you talk about the D2 conference in illinois. ha, Lewis is usually ok, but Edwardsville and Quincy are both seen as no better than the D3 schools in the area. When i was at MC my junior year we were up 5 with two minutes left at Edwardsville. we finished .500 in D3 competition that year. point being that d2 conference may be good overall but two of the three illinois teams for lack of vocabulary generally suck... Good D3 very or very bad D2. hmmm...

First mistake: "Once a kid realizes he isn't major D1 potential, generally he looks for a good academic choice." Wrong. Some players put strong academics at the top of their list, but most will go wherever they can get a ride at a four-year school, or sustain their potential to get a ride at a four-year school. And that's where the jucos come in. They showcase players for four-year schools who're looking to add experienced recruits; most of the four-year schools in question offer scholies (D1, D2, NAIA). Yes, some juco players are there to get their grades up. But your sweeping generalization dismisses out of hand a large percentage of juco players, who happen to be decent students who are merely looking for a second chance at getting offered a ride at a four-year institution.

Second mistake: "Lewis is usually OK, but Edwardsville and Quincy are both seen as no better than any of the D3 schools in the area." Bzzt. Wrong again. Both teams made the D2 national tournament last season. SIU-Edwardsville is 9-1 this season. The Cougars went 23-9 last season and finished 15-5 in the GLVC, which as I said is the toughest league in all of D2. The SIUE team you played was an indie, and it was a pretty rock-bottom D2 indie at that. Notice the past tense in that last sentence. Since the Cougars hired coach Marty Simmons and joined the GLVC in '02 they've drastically improved their program. You need to update your knowledge, OFS. And Quincy? Currently 5-2, following on the heels of an 18-11, 14-6 GLVC season in '04-'05. Again, your take on them is badly off-target.

Can a D3 team win out for the services of a player who is also being wooed by one of these Illinois D2s? Yes. Will it happen most of the time? Absolutely not.

Quote from: Old Fighting Scot on December 15, 2005, 11:54:18 AMSo, no i wasnt talking about the greater midwest, only illinois. i talked specifically about west central illinois b/c that is what i know,

Once more, with feeling:

Quote from: Old Fighting Scot on December 12, 2005, 12:38:27 PMIn illinois if you are not good enough to play at U of IL. then you go to Southeastern CC or you go D3.

Kids in the midwest go to D3 schools b/c that is the extent of their options.

And, lest anyone think I'm aping Diehardfan's trick of altering quotes, check out for yourself that OFS wrote these words last Monday, timestamped 12:38:27 EDT.

Quote from: Old Fighting Scot on December 15, 2005, 11:54:18 AMand please do not confuse what i am saying as opinion. I only talk about facts, disagree if you like but look at my tag and you will see what i believe....

I am not confusing what you're saying as opinion, because it isn't opinion. It's simply wrong. It's an erroneous statement of facts.

As for your tag, I admire your self-confidence. What a shame that it's so badly misplaced in this instance.  :D

Quote from: Old Fighting Scot on December 15, 2005, 01:07:17 PM
ill give you 3 hours  ;)  i may have mis estimated a bit.  unless you go ; to siuc there is not much reason to go to carbondale, thus i never have.....

It's two hours and 16 minutes via I-57 and I-64, according to MapQuest. Dunno, though, maybe D1 uses Microsoft Streets & Trips, just like D3. Is that where you got your three-hour estimate, OFS?  :D

Now look what you've made me do. I've gone on and on with one of this room's longest posts of the year, and I've regurgitated enough trivia to get my butt lined up in DJ Hyphen's crosshairs again. Curse you, OFS!  :D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bballfan2 on December 16, 2005, 05:28:04 AM
I'll be Ok, I'm sorry I'll be honest, I don't really care about the sciac vs the nation debate; it will never be resolved on the board and posts about it are completely subjective unless the teams have played that season.

However, I do want to note that for the first time in years we don't have a redlands poster popping off about how they're going to win sciac. And I just want to say Redlands should change it up and play basketball. Currently, Redlands is awful there system at this point teams would rather play cal tech then them because against cal tech you're still playing basketball, not some glorified lay up drill, against dirty players, who take cheap shots, flop, and cry to the referees all game about how fast they make a 5 second call, or what's a charge.  I can't wait to see if they still claim to have the best fans in sciac when they're losing.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: digs on December 16, 2005, 10:01:33 AM
Quote from: Old Fighting Scot on December 12, 2005, 12:38:27 PM
  From MC there was only one NAIA school within an hours drive.

It has been a while but how far is it from Monmouth to the Quad Cities?  St Ambrose.  Or to Mount Pleasant IA, Iowa Wesleyan.  These have got to be close.

I am probably wrong on these 2... For those of you who are unfamiliar with the area the only thing within a hours distance of the great city of Monmouth is a store called Farm King. :)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: digs on December 16, 2005, 10:12:06 AM
I almost forgot... great post DJ.  One of the all time greatest!!!

Greg--imitation is the highest form of flattery.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on December 16, 2005, 12:01:21 PM
St. Ambrose in Davenport is the closest, it will take you a lil over an hour normally, and since the area probably has about a foot of snow on the ground by now maybe more....

Greg i am sorry that you didnt understand what i meant about major d1 basketball programs in chicago.  Depaul is the best team of that group, and they have not had anything to do with any national bball conversation since mark aguirre (sp).  Irvine beat stanford, does that mean they are a big time d1 program?

I am happy to hear quincy and edwardsville are doing well this and last year, good for them.  i will reiterate that i have mainly been speaking from my personal experience and i have been washed up for a long time.  Good to know someone can rebound, better than i could.  siue was last in the national tourney in 89 and quincy seems to have never been any good (i cant find a winning record on their site);D

As far as you preaching about juco rosters.  You almost helped me prove my point.  Kids who cant go to U of I (metaphor for major D1 in the midwest) Generally will look toward Southeastern CC (metaphor for good illinois jucos) or D3 (Illinois has three very good D3 conferences)

You are correct in saying kids normally follow the money.  I am just trying to explain to you that If a kid knows he isnt big time, most will look to a program where they will be able to play on a good team and be great.  D3 schools from the CCIW and MWC always get kids like this, that is why they become dominant.  A good D3 program doesnt have D3 talented kids, they have D1 caliber (talent) kids that are too short, too skinny, or too nice.  But also too smart (grades, career goals past basketball) to waste time at a Juco.

In California the next best thing to D3's is NAIA (going back to how all this got started, before you threw your hissy fit...)  In my estimation the best D3 programs in America Would easily rival the very best Scholarship NAIA schools.  if the playing level was the same, but one school can offer you money and the other cant, you will follow the money.  In Cali, NAIA's play on the National Level regularly.  In the midwest (specifically)Illinois, D3's play on the National Level regularly. 

My point, In Socal there are many more NAIA or Juco options (that will compete nationally) than there are D3's.  In the midwest there are many more D3's that will compete on the National Level than there will be NAIA or Juco.  But yes you always have your few exceptions.  Feel free to take 3 hrs. cutting and pasting and pointing out the very few....

Really how long did your last post take? ;D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: samiam on December 16, 2005, 05:50:24 PM
QuoteDo those words look familiar to you? They should ... they're yours. You posted them in this room on Monday. And they're absurd. They leave the Land of Exaggeration in the rear-view mirror, and run a red light straight into downtown Wrongville.

I thought we were still trying to figure out how to get to Carbondale.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Titan Q on December 16, 2005, 06:08:11 PM
"If one of those schools wants a player and one of Illinois' D3 schools wants that same player, the D1 team gets him. Plain and simple."


Greg, sometimes D3 programs land student-athletes who get recruited by D1 schools.  D3hoops.com 1st Team All-American  Adam Dauksas, for example, was recruited heavily by Illinois-Chicago.  Dauksas went to a UIC home game where there were about 1900 people in the stands of an 8000 seat arena.  I remember Adam talking about that visit as a freshman at IWU when we interviewed him on WJBC.  He said something to the effect of, "Neither team had anyone who could make a 15 foot jumpshot and neither team really ran any offense...it was just one-on-one ball."  (I think that UIC team won the Horizon League and went to the tourney actually.)   Then Adam visited IWU where the 2600 seat Shirk Center was jam packed with about 3000 for a CCIW game, the band was playing, the student section was crazy, etc..  

When Adam commited to IWU, I wrote the following for IWUhoops.com...

http://www.iwuhoops.com/recruiting2002a.html#dauksas

Some quotes from that piece...

* "It is just a great school, with a great basketball environment.  I feel honored to have a chance to carry on the tradition that is already established."  

* "I was lucky to get a lot of D1 looks, but in the end I just felt more comfortable as a person at Illinois Wesleyan," said Dauksas.  "The level of play in the CCIW is as good as in many small Division 1 conferences, in my opinion."

Trost echoed those thoughts.  "Many of the really talented CCIW players can play at a higher level...sometimes Division 3 is just a better fit though. Adam is going to get a great education at Illinois Wesleyan, and he is going to be a vital part of what we're doing from day one. At some of those D1's he'd probably be asked to sit for two years. Adam wants to play basketball."  


* "I want to win CCIW Championships, and have a chance to win a national championship," he said.  "I consider myself a winner, and I am really looking forward to my career at Illinois Wesleyan."


For pure basketball reasons and many non-basketball reasons, Adam Dauksas decided to attend IWU over D1's like Illinois-Chicago, Chicago State, and Colgate and the D2 full-rides he had, like St. Joe's (Indiana).  I'm with you on 99% of what you are saying here, but not on that statement as-is.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on December 16, 2005, 07:02:17 PM
Quote from: samiam on December 16, 2005, 05:50:24 PM
QuoteDo those words look familiar to you? They should ... they're yours. You posted them in this room on Monday. And they're absurd. They leave the Land of Exaggeration in the rear-view mirror, and run a red light straight into downtown Wrongville.

I thought we were still trying to figure out how to get to Carbondale.

La la la-la la la la la la
Do you know the way to Carbondale?
I've been away so long
I ended up on Wrongville Trail.

Do you know the way to Carbondale?
I'm going back to find
hoops of some kind in Carbondale.

Illinois' a great big cornfield
No place there to play D1 or 2.
Takes a week, maybe two, to get to St. Lou.
Weeks turn into years, how quick they pass.
And all the stars that never were
are driving Deeres for ADM.

I've got lots of friends in Carbondale.
La la la-la la la la la la
There'll be lots of hoops in Carbondale.
La la la-la la la la la la
Do you know the way to Carbondale?
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:)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on December 16, 2005, 07:39:19 PM
David.. you have too much time on your hands... you seriously need to go to a basketball game with me, and eat my six spice oatmeal rasin cookies... oh wait... you're already going to do that!  :D

Gooo Cal Tech!  ;D ;)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 17, 2005, 03:46:32 PM
Bob, you could've spared us the commercial for your alma mater. I knew that Dauksas was an exception. I could name other exceptions as well who've played for other CCIW schools. It's beside the point. The issue at hand is that OFS has dismissed out of hand the Chicagoland D1 programs with regard to recruiting Illinois players, and he was completely wrong in doing so.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Titan Q on December 17, 2005, 03:58:52 PM
How would I know you realized Dauksas and other past CCIW players were exceptions based on your statement, "If one of those schools wants a player and one of Illinois' D3 schools wants that same player, the D1 team gets him. Plain and simple"??
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 17, 2005, 04:42:20 PM
Quote from: Old Fighting Scot on December 16, 2005, 12:01:21 PMGreg i am sorry that you didnt understand what i meant about major d1 basketball programs in chicago.  Depaul is the best team of that group, and they have not had anything to do with any national bball conversation since mark aguirre (sp).  Irvine beat stanford, does that mean they are a big time d1 program?

You still don't get it. In fact, you've completely changed the thread of your argument. In your original post you dismissed the other D1 programs in the state as a part of your general argument that, in Illinois, it's the Illini, Southeastern CC, and then D3. This has nothing to do with how far those D1 programs have made it in the D1 tournament. That's an irrelevant matter. This discussion is about recruiting in the state of Illinois, and whether or not there is any competition with D3 programs in the state for good high school players. Stay on point, please.

Oh, and DePaul is a Big East team. Northwestern is a Big Ten team. I don't care if neither has been deep into March Madness since the Aguirre era; those teams are "big time" by any stretch of the imagination, simply by dint of the leagues in which they participate. End of story.

Quote from: Old Fighting Scot on December 16, 2005, 12:01:21 PM

I am happy to hear quincy and edwardsville are doing well this and last year, good for them.  i will reiterate that i have mainly been speaking from my personal experience and i have been washed up for a long time.  Good to know someone can rebound, better than i could.  siue was last in the national tourney in 89 and quincy seems to have never been any good (i cant find a winning record on their site);D

Doesn't matter. This is a present-tense discussion, and now you're falling back on past tense. You derided SIUE and Quincy in the present tense in your original post. You were wrong.

Quote from: Old Fighting Scot on December 16, 2005, 12:01:21 PMAs far as you preaching about juco rosters.  You almost helped me prove my point.  Kids who cant go to U of I (metaphor for major D1 in the midwest) Generally will look toward Southeastern CC (metaphor for good illinois jucos) or D3 (Illinois has three very good D3 conferences)

Oh, so now Southeastern CC is a metaphor? That's rich! "Hey, Mom and Dad, I got offered a free ride from Southeastern Community College! I'm gonna play for the Fighting Metaphors!" :D

Illinois kids who can't go to the U of I will look in a hundred different places: Other Illinois D1s, Illinois D2s, Illinois NAIA programs, out-of-state D1s, out-of-state D2s, out-of-state NAIA programs, jucos of all shapes and sizes and locations, even out-of-state D3s (Jason Kalsow, anyone?), as well as Illinois D3s. I don't care if Southeastern CC has now magically become a "metaphor for good Illinois jucos", because your reductionistic argument is as wrong now as it was when you first posted it.

Oh, and Illinois doesn't have three good D3 conferences. It has one excellent conference (the CCIW), one pretty good conference (the MWC, and it needs to be said that most of the good MWC programs -- Lawrence, Ripon, and Carroll -- are in Wisconsin), one fair-to-poor conference (the NIIC, which is now in its final year of existence), and one truly awful conference (the SLIAC, which it shares with Missouri).

Quote from: Old Fighting Scot on December 16, 2005, 12:01:21 PMYou are correct in saying kids normally follow the money.  I am just trying to explain to you that If a kid knows he isnt big time, most will look to a program where they will be able to play on a good team and be great.  D3 schools from the CCIW and MWC always get kids like this, that is why they become dominant.  A good D3 program doesnt have D3 talented kids, they have D1 caliber (talent) kids that are too short, too skinny, or too nice.  But also too smart (grades, career goals past basketball) to waste time at a Juco.

You could've stated that "play on a good team and be great" platitude without throwing in erroneous specifics about college basketball in the Prairie State, and I probably would've left it alone. A few points, though:

* The MWC is a pretty good D3 conference. It's not a dominant one. And, again, the overwhelming balance of power in that league is north of the Lombardi-Halas Line.

* "D1 caliber (talent) kids that are too short, too skinny, or too nice" is an oxymoron. Recruiting takes everything into consideration: Height, build, skills, temperament, etc. D1 coaches will sometimes take a player who is deficient in one area, because they feel they can augment that deficiency via redshirting or whatever. But if you've got top-notch skills for, say, the center position but you're 6'6", 220 instead of 6'9", 245, you're not a D1 player. You're a D3 player.

* Lots of good D3 players started out at jucos. I could introduce you to a few of them who have national championship rings on their fingers.

Quote from: Old Fighting Scot on December 16, 2005, 12:01:21 PMIn California the next best thing to D3's is NAIA (going back to how all this got started, before you threw your hissy fit...)  In my estimation the best D3 programs in America Would easily rival the very best Scholarship NAIA schools.  if the playing level was the same, but one school can offer you money and the other cant, you will follow the money.  In Cali, NAIA's play on the National Level regularly.  In the midwest (specifically)Illinois, D3's play on the National Level regularly.

No hissy fit here. I don't hiss, and I don't have a cat or inflatable tires to act as a substitute. ;)

The best D3 programs would easily rival the best scholarship NAIA programs if the playing level was the same ... well, yeah, and if we all were born with wheels instead of legs we could all just ride to the grocery store without using cars.  :D

Sure, in SoCal NAIA-1s are nationally competitive, and in the midwest D3s are nationally competitive. But are you familiar with the term, "Correlation does not imply causation"?

Quote from: Old Fighting Scot on December 16, 2005, 12:01:21 PMMy point, In Socal there are many more NAIA or Juco options (that will compete nationally) than there are D3's.  In the midwest there are many more D3's that will compete on the National Level than there will be NAIA or Juco.  But yes you always have your few exceptions.  Feel free to take 3 hrs. cutting and pasting and pointing out the very few....

You've completely missed the point if you think that I was simply trying to come up with some exceptions to your original statement. The point is that your argument in toto -- in Illinois it's U of I, then Southeastern CC, and then D3, and that kids in the midwest go D3 because that's the extent of their options -- was completely wrong. What I was offering wasn't "exceptions"; it was a mountain of evidence proving that your theses were off-base.

Again, with regard to Cali NAIA-1s and midwestern D3s, correlation does not equal causation.

As for cutting-and-pasting, how else was I to deal with your argument? Put your quote all in one block and then rebut it all in one block? That's much harder to follow. Besides, how often on Posting Up do I have the chance to practice "fisking" somebody?  ;D

Quote from: Old Fighting Scot on December 16, 2005, 12:01:21 PMReally how long did your last post take? ;D

About an hour, all told. This one was much briefer in terms of the amount of time it took to construct.

Quote from: Titan Q on December 17, 2005, 03:58:52 PM
How would I know you realized Dauksas and other past CCIW players were exceptions based on your statement, "If one of those schools wants a player and one of Illinois' D3 schools wants that same player, the D1 team gets him. Plain and simple"??

You wouldn't. It was an overstatement on my part. I should've used the same with-very-few-exceptions caveat that I used for Illinois D2s when talking about non-Illini D1s in the state. That was my fault. I just didn't see the reason to post a chunk of the Illinois Wesleyan program guide while pointing it out.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: samiam on December 17, 2005, 05:08:15 PM
QuoteLa la la-la la la la la la
Do you know the way to Carbondale?
I've been away so long
I ended up on Wrongville Trail.

Burt and Hal would be proud.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 17, 2005, 05:28:08 PM
Quote from: samiam on December 17, 2005, 05:08:15 PMBurt and Hal would be proud.

David must be keeping my kind of hours, because it looks as though he's had exposure to one too many late-night Dionne Warwick infomercials.

Still, it was a nice job, DC. You're quite ably filling that Weird Al Yankovic niche that Posting Up has had vacant for so long. This one ranks right up there with your flurry of rendered holiday carols from last year on CCIW Chat -- or was that two years ago?

I eagerly await your adaptation of some Leonard Cohen standard to musically address the do-Calvinites-whine fracas between Calvin and Hope fans on the MIAA board.  :D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on December 17, 2005, 06:30:06 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 17, 2005, 05:28:08 PM
David must be keeping my kind of hours, because it looks as though he's had exposure to one too many late-night Dionne Warwick infomercials.

Hmmmm.  And here I thought your night-shift job was to police Posting Up.  I didn't know you also monitored late night TV.  Tough job, but somebody's gotta do it!  ;)  I'm looking for work, maybe you can send me Ron Swanson's number?   :)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Titan Q on December 18, 2005, 10:44:20 AM
"I just didn't see the reason to post a chunk of the Illinois Wesleyan program guide while pointing it out."


I posted direct quotes from a player that had to do exactly with the topic at hand...recruiting, and specifically why players make the decisions they do. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 18, 2005, 06:55:59 PM
Does the Lombardi-Halas line run at the border or does it include the southern Wisconsin locales that tend to lean towards the Bears? (And before you dismiss that, I've seen it in person.)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on December 19, 2005, 02:32:29 PM
Oxy beat Chapman 65-60 on Saturday night, bringing the Tigers to a 6-1 record having their sole loss to top ranked NAIA Azusa Pacific.  Let's hope this bodes well for the Orange and Black.  The upcoming games against Whitworth (Jan. 2) and Amherst (Jan. 3) look even more exciting.

Go Oxy.

Io Triumphe!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WestCoastWhiner on December 19, 2005, 04:23:46 PM
Tigers have a chance to put the SCIAC back  on the map against Whitworth & Amherst.  I would say that would make them an automatic Top 20 but realize that for any great victory by either Oxy or Pomona that weekend to actually mean something, somebody in the SCIAC would actually have to type up a game summary and shoot it to someone.   Seeing how we are at the end of December and the SCIAC Website is still stuck on '04-05, I'm not holding my breath.  Maybe Amherst or Whitworth will send their SIDs to the games and we can piggyback off their competence. 

PC, are there any worse conferences than the SCIAC from a sports information perspective?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Roop on December 20, 2005, 05:37:00 AM
Pat,

The Lombardi-Halas line isn't very specific because it has more to do with the State you work in rather than the State you reside in.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on December 20, 2005, 06:53:19 PM
I was looking at the Massey Statistical ratings just now and I thought I'd share with you guys, because it made me sad, I I thought maybe you could all be sad with me...

Top Ten DIII Conferences

44 Wisconsin IAC
45 Ill & Wisc
48 UAA
60 NESCAC       
64 IIAC
65 OAC
67 HCAC
69 MWC
72 MIAA
73 CAC

Bottom Ten

CCC
SCIAC
UMAC
CUNYC
NEAC
PrAC
NAC
PAC
GNAC
SLIAC

Out of 41 conferences... that makes us... 33rd. Sigh...
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on December 20, 2005, 07:27:00 PM
I wonder how much of the SCIAC's rating is dragged down by the anchor that is CalTech? 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Loggerville on December 20, 2005, 10:58:56 PM
Quote from: WestCoastWhiner on December 19, 2005, 04:23:46 PM
Maybe Amherst or Whitworth will send their SIDs to the games and we can piggyback off their competence.

The Whitworth SID does a great job, and also happens to be the NWC lead sports information person.  If he is not at the games himself, I am confident that either the Whitworth site, http://www.whitworth.edu/Athletics/Teams/Basketball_Men/Index.aspx  or the NWC site http://www.nwcsports.com/  will have stats and a game recap for the Oxy and PP games.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on December 21, 2005, 12:23:45 PM
I must agree with other posters that are excited about the upcoming holiday classic at Oxy. I know that the tigers will do well in these games. These games will be my first games to see the B-Ball team in action. So i do expect to see all those tall kids dunking on the shorter competition. I only hope that they can play defense though.



Sabertooth--will u be attending the games....
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on December 22, 2005, 04:13:39 PM
Btw----Happy holidays. Hope to see most of you guys at the upcoming Oxy Classic. It should be great times to watch these schools play.......Hope everyone stays safe
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: old_hooper on December 29, 2005, 10:18:23 PM
browneagle have you seen the roster for Amherst?  They may have the tallest roster that either PP or Qxy will see this year.  They are a very big DIII team.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: castle on January 03, 2006, 01:23:25 PM
Big Game tonight: #4 Amherst at OXY.

Oxy's only loss is to Azusa...who is a top 5 NAIA team.  Meanwhile, Amherst has rolled to 8-0 with an average margin of victory of almost 25 points.  It is not a regional game, but it would a huge boost to the SCIAC if Oxy can keep it close, or maybe even pull the upset.  It will be a tall task for the Tigers, considering that 5 of Oxy's 8 wins have come against Pacific Union, La Sierra and West Coast Baptist; and Amherst just held PP to 42 points on 28% shooting.

Good luck Tigers!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on January 03, 2006, 06:08:38 PM
Quote from: castle on January 03, 2006, 01:23:25 PM
Big Game tonight: #4 Amherst at OXY. [...] It is not a regional game [...]

Wait a minute, let me check Streets & Trips to see if it's within the 200 mile limit...
Let's see...
Nope.  :)

But if the "regional while they're on semester break" proposal is enacted by the NCAA, holiday tournament games like this one will begin to "count," even if the schools are 2,922.5 miles apart, as these two are.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on January 04, 2006, 12:12:08 AM
#4 Amherst 60
Oxy 61

2:41 left in the 2nd half.

GO TIGERS
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on January 04, 2006, 12:17:07 AM
#4 Amherst 62
Oxy 67

1:30 left in 2nd half

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on January 04, 2006, 12:25:12 AM
#4 Amherst 68
Oxy 73

FINAL.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on January 04, 2006, 01:54:42 AM
(first posted in Top 25 room)
Great game at the Rock tonight.  Oxy took it to Amherst throughout the first half, as Amherst looked lost on offense the whole time, and at the other end had no answer for Sam Betty, Oxy's 6'7" junior wing with great instincts in the paint.  Oxy's sophomore point Gemayal McBride simply owned Amherst's point (soph. Andrew Olson), which helped keep the Lord Jeffs in an offensive funk for 20 minutes.  But Olson hit a big NBA 3-pointer with 0:01 in the half to reduce the Oxy lead from a disheartening 9 to a manageable 6.

In the second half, Amherst executed much better, and a couple of ticky-tack fouls on McBride forced him to spend a good part of the half on the bench.  Oxy had plenty of chances to put the game away, but kept missing free throws, and Amherst ground their way back to a tie.  That's when Oxy stepped up the defensive pressure, began to out-hustle the Jeffs, and started hitting free throws.  The game was still in doubt right up to the last two possessions, but Oxy's defense kept Amherst at bay and pulled out the victory.

This game might have come out differently on a neutral court, but I'm willing to say that the better team won tonight.  Certainly the best player on the floor, at least at the offensive end, wore Tiger white--that being Sam Betty.  As long as Amherst failed to deny the entry pass, he pretty much did whatever he wanted inside: drive left, drive right, pull up jumper, dish back out. 

As for Amherst, while they are a quality team who showed a lot of poise in their comeback, there is no way that they deserve the #1 vote they are getting.  Of the teams I have seen, IWU and Wooster are clearly better, and UW-Stout, St. Thomas, Puget Sound, and (obviously) Occidental are right in the mix with the Lord Jeffs.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OXY Oswald on January 04, 2006, 03:55:10 AM
First time on Posting Up... I've been on the football boards for a short time.

Collinge - Great post, that summed up the game.  Oxy pulled a couple of big wins this week vs. Whitworth and Amherst (a strong squad).  Sam Betty was unstoppable in the first half, but the Tigers went away from him in the second and questionable foul calls let Amherst back in the game.  Good perseverence from the team and a great win.

Tigers move to 9-1 and are looking strong.

Oxy opens conference play at La Verne on the 11th.

Quote from: David Collinge on January 04, 2006, 01:54:42 AM
This game might have come out differently on a neutral court, but I'm willing to say that the better team won tonight.

I thought there was a great showing at the game for the Tigers, especially since the students are still enjoying there semester break.  Can't wait till the first home game once the rest of the Tigers are back at school!

Loving the D3 Hoops season already
Go Tigers!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: digs on January 04, 2006, 09:46:03 AM
Great win for Oxy...

Redlands with a win over the CCIW too.  I guess they have more tallent than OFS led us to believe.  What's up????  Diehard?  Anyone?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hoosier Titan on January 04, 2006, 10:00:46 AM
Digs,
Wheaton, traditionally a CCIW power, is down this year due to graduation and a key player or two deciding not to play.  They haven't been picked to finish in the top half of the CCIW.  They will undoubtedly be back in the future.

Most expect this year's CCIW race to be between IWU, Augustana, Elmhurst, and North Central.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on January 04, 2006, 10:17:40 AM
Quote from: digs on January 04, 2006, 09:46:03 AM
Great win for Oxy...

Redlands with a win over the CCIW too.  I guess they have more tallent than OFS led us to believe.  What's up????  Diehard?  Anyone?

Redlands won a home game vs. a team from chicago over christmas break that is picked to finish 6th in their conference.  Yea, my bad digs, i guess i have totally underrated Redlands..... ???
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dj_hyphen on January 04, 2006, 10:19:19 AM
nice win for Oxy...looks like they're the favorite in the league so far
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OXY Oswald on January 04, 2006, 12:02:05 PM
Is there a season preview/outlook available on d3hoops?  I know there is one for d3football. 

Just wondering, I was interested in reading up on some of the teams around the conference as well as the national picture.

Go Tigers!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: castle on January 04, 2006, 01:51:19 PM
Congrats to OXY for getting the SCIAC some respect...now who was saying that Newhall can't coach???
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on January 04, 2006, 02:12:44 PM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on January 04, 2006, 10:00:46 AM
Digs, Wheaton, traditionally a CCIW power, is down this year due to graduation and a key player or two deciding not to play.

Wheaton has 12 people on our roster right now. Only 11 played last night. That is a pretty short bench to play a team like Redlands. It was almost as much the fact that we didn't have enough bodies, as it was that all the bodies we have are soo young!

Only one guy on our team got significant minutes last year... significant being 19... we returned none of our starters. This is who we lost last year from our playoff team, in terms of minutes played... 1,2,3,4,5,7,8,9 (one of the boys tied for ninth is currently injured). Just let that sink in for a moment.... yeah. I still love em though, and they will probably be better by the end of the season.

Jordan Kemper, the guy who scored 38 for Wheaton last night, in only 28 mins (foul trouble) has always been one of my favorite Wheaton players, but only played 5mins per game last year. Another of favorite current Wheaton players, is Johnnie Standard (whom I've been hearalding since his time in JV games!) and he was our second leading scorer till he got injured in the Benedictine game this year.

With two of our relatively experienced players either out or with significantly fewer minutes than normal, on top of all out losses last year, and the other playing an INSANE 39mins for this type of basketball (Tony is my hero!)...

I am hesitant to say all that, because I thought Redlands put in a great performace last night.... really hitting some huge treys at huge moments when I was just starting to feel like we had a comfortable lead. Hull and Pelo were insane from behind the arc. I really enjoyed watching the game, even though I am more of a "patient offense" sorta person. I was also glad to see that Redlands had decent fan support despite the fact that the campus was still on break. I'll definitely be back for more games this season.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: samiam on January 04, 2006, 02:23:26 PM
Quotenow who was saying that Newhall can't coach???

Uh . . . that'd be me. However (uh oh, here he goes again), just for clarity's sake, I don't believe I ever said that Newhall couldn't coach. I just said the players would benefit from better coaching. All I meant to say is that Oxy's front court is impressive and, from what I've seen, could have handled even the Aggies, had the coaching been more consistent.

Of course, maybe those players wouldn't even be at Oxy, were it not for Newhall. So, what do I know?

This was a great win for Oxy, and I think Newhall did a fine job this time.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on January 04, 2006, 04:15:12 PM
I question those who thought that Oxy was slowed by bad calls.  Oxy got a nice little hometown boost from this SCIAC crew as Amherst was out of fouls six minutes into the second half.  This means nothing except that it made me laugh, but Amherst coach Hixon turned to me at one point and asked if the ref had a son on the Oxy team.  Hixon does get credit for working the refs for the fourth fould on McBride, though.

That said, what a nice win for Oxy.  They frustrated a very game Amherst team and withstood a big rally.  It had the whiff of 2003 to it.  Pomona, though, looked pretty strong as Lloyd and W-B are back for, what, their 9th years each?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on January 04, 2006, 08:26:10 PM
Quote from: tigersports on January 04, 2006, 04:15:12 PM
I question those who thought that Oxy was slowed by bad calls. Oxy got a nice little hometown boost from this SCIAC crew as Amherst was out of fouls six minutes into the second half.

This is quite true; the foul calls in the second half were lopsided in Oxy's favor.  Any advantage gained was offset at least in part by the poor free throw shooting on the part of Oxy.  Amherst may have suffered from foul trouble, for all I know; I do believe that their #41, who was guarding Betty, was in foul trouble, but since he was not very effective anyway I don't see that as a problem.

Although most of the fouls were called on the Jeffs, the two cheap second-half fouls called on McBride had a huge impact on the game.  With him either on the bench or in the game but sagging off of the ball handler, Amherst was able to get into their offense with much more ease, and that was a big factor in their comeback. 

I never complain about officials, and I won't start now.  I appreciate what they do; in short, they make our game possible.  But last night was an example of how a foul disparity on paper may not have translated into an advantage/disadvantage situation.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OXY Oswald on January 04, 2006, 11:24:52 PM
I feel like I was misunderstood, the game is never in the officials hands.  I felt a few of the calls, namely against McBride, were ticky-tacky.  Amherst mauled the Tigers under the boards, some call it hustle, I call it missed calls. 

Either way, great game for the Tigers, nothing was decided by the officiating.  Sorry for the confusion.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 05, 2006, 01:11:02 AM
Quote from: OXY Oswald on January 04, 2006, 12:02:05 PM
Is there a season preview/outlook available on d3hoops?  I know there is one for d3football. 

Just wondering, I was interested in reading up on some of the teams around the conference as well as the national picture.

Yep, we do previews on hoops too. We get a similar amount of SCIAC participation on both sites.

http://www.d3hoops.com/preview.php
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OXY Oswald on January 05, 2006, 03:32:28 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 05, 2006, 01:11:02 AM

Yep, we do previews on hoops too. We get a similar amount of SCIAC participation on both sites.

http://www.d3hoops.com/preview.php

Thanks Pat, I'm guessing that it is SCIAC SID's responsibility to provide D3 hoops with a preview (and that is why there isn't a preview for any SCIAC team except Redlands).
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WestCoastWhiner on January 05, 2006, 04:36:38 PM
Alright all.  Back from the Southland after watching the Tiger Classic and the National Championship at the Rose Bowl.  Two nights of great games, glad I made the trip.  I have to admit that Amherst 20 point blow out over PP had me thinking about yet another blown opportunity in the SCIAC's quest to get out of the bottom tier of DIII hoops conferences.  Oxy's hard-fought W over a pretty good Whitworth team (before the tournament I thought they would be a lock for 2nd place in the NWC and be right there for a bid) gave me hope.  PP looked excellent against Whitworth.  Their D frustrated the strength of Whitworth, outside shooting.  Yet further proof that if you give Kats the oppornity to scout an opponent, nobody is better at taking away what teams are good at. 

Oxy's game against Amherst was just what I expected it to be, a winter game in So Cal where crowds are never factors and you get to see some great DIII ball.  Contrary to what folks have said here, nobody had any crowd advantage.  Amherst probably brought almost as many people as showed up for Oxy.  And throughout the game the loudest cheering was coming from both benches. 

But those who were there were treated to a great game.  Hats off to Oxy's coaching staff for their defensive adjustments.  The great shooting that we saw from Amherst against Pomona was negated.  They simply didn't get many open looks.  Oxy's 2 big men played like studs all night.  Rebounding well and running a clinic on catching the ball in the post and being able to score with a mid range J or  drive with either hand.  Betty should and will get All-America votes if he could eliminate his mental funks that prevent him from showing up every night.  The kid was hands down the best player on the floor.  Super solid play at the other positions by Oxy most of the night.  Oxy's kids believed from the minute that the ball went up that they could not only play, but beat this team.  The W wasn't a fluke.  What a great victory for Oxy and for the entire SCIAC. 

Now, having said all of that, I will try to bring everyone down to earth again.  PP is STILL the team to beat.   Don't let the Amherst game fool you.  Just as sure as they are to lose the first round game, they will win the 3 close games in the SCIAC that you need for a banner.  PP has back to back titles,four all conference guys in Lloyd, Hollo, Wexler-beron and Knowles.  But even if they didn't they have Kats, the King of the SCIAC.  CMS and Oxy are right there nose and nose for 2nd (see CMS road wins at pt loma and westmont).   

Oxy had a great, great win for us.  A great statement for our conference that possibly our 3rd best team can play better than the 4th ranked national team.  Oxy is absolutely fearless outside of the conference and has been for several years.  New mantra at Oxy should be "Anywhere, anytime - as long as it isn't a road game in the SCIAC."   





   
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OXY Oswald on January 05, 2006, 07:43:57 PM
Quote from: WestCoastWhiner on January 05, 2006, 04:36:38 PM
Contrary to what folks have said here, nobody had any crowd advantage.  Amherst probably brought almost as many people as showed up for Oxy. 

I felt Oxy had a great showing, especially a couple days after the New Year.  Amherst fans, while in pretty good numbers, were silient the majority of the game (maybe they were shocked by the Tigers  ???).  The students come back in a couple weeks and both the team and Coach Newhall appriciate the significant amount of support they get at home and on road trips.  Last year Newhall provided buses for students to a good portion of the Tigers away games, giving them a nice fan base while away from home. 

Quote from: WestCoastWhiner on January 05, 2006, 04:36:38 PM
Oxy had a great, great win for us.  A great statement for our conference that possibly our 3rd best team can play better than the 4th ranked national team.  Oxy is absolutely fearless outside of the conference and has been for several years.  New mantra at Oxy should be "Anywhere, anytime - as long as it isn't a road game in the SCIAC."   

I think OXY is in a great position to do big things in conference this year, 3rd place is an understatement of their potential.  However, the Tigers do tend to fall apart on the road... let's see how they do at La Verne this week.

Go Tigers!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on January 05, 2006, 08:05:40 PM
Oxy had a definite crowd advantage.  It wasn't a big crowd, and a fair number of Amherst fans were in attendance, and the key cheerleaders were the bench players, all of this is true.  But the fact remains that the place was electric and very pro-Oxy in the last 5 minutes of the game.  The Oxy bench would start a cheer of "De-Fense (clap, clap)" and the crowd would respond.  The Amherst fans, by contrast, were pretty quiet.  In fact, a far smaller crowd brought by Puget Sound to Westmont last week was much louder and more enthusiastic than the mostly quiet Amherst fans.  I'd be flabbergasted if the Oxy players didn't agree that the crowd's enthusiasm was a factor in their late-game play.

I only saw the one game of the Oxy Classic, so I can't comment on how Oxy compares to other SCIAC teams.  But the simple fact that Oxy beat Amherst by 5 a day after Amherst beat P-P by 19 raises a reasonable inference that Oxy is the better team.  Fortunately, it'll be settled on the floor and not left to debate.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WestCoastWhiner on January 05, 2006, 08:27:54 PM
Those who were there were making noise, but it didn't seem like that many people were there.  Lots of empty spaces.  Having said that, I do agree that for a winter break game, it was nice to see more than just parents in attendance.  If DJ is right and nobody cares about hoops at PP other than the CMS game, then Oxy has created a unique SCIAC culture.  There seems to 'rock star' effect (DIII style) at Eagle Rock.   Good to see.  

I also agree that Oxy clearly has the potential to beat Kats as well as CMS.   I'd bet that the Amherst coach would be surprised if Oxy didn't beat Amherst.  The thing is, the PP team that shows up against Oxy, against CMS & against CLU, will be much better than the team that showed up against Amherst.  Just like the Hens showed against Whitworth.  Only a great coach could get a team to overcome a whipping like that in less than 24 hours.  

Why PP can't play better against national teams continues to puzzle me.  Nothing highlighted that more than the Amherst game.  Had that game been on the road, DJ and other PP fans would be on the thread talking about how hard it is to win away from home.  It wasn't.  Was it Oxy playing at home?  Oxy's loud 50 fans in my opinion just weren't enough to give Oxy that much more of an advantage.   So why the blow out?  

My theory: the CMS & Oxy tourneys are part of Kats's development strategy.  His major focus in those games are in giving his kids an opportunity to play in two gyms that will be important to them in a couple of weeks.  Does he play to lose?  Never.  I just think that he uses the pre-season to build, tinker and prepare for those 3-4 close SCIAC games.  Historically it always works for him.  Look at the banners.  

Unfortunately, a 20 point beating by an Amherst team that Oxy beats the next night will definitely hurt his team against a more talented Puget Sound team.   If Amherst beats them by 20, what is Puget Sound going to think when the Hens roll into Tacoma?  



   

   
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dj_hyphen on January 06, 2006, 10:32:48 AM
Quote from: WestCoastWhiner on January 05, 2006, 08:27:54 PM
 Had that game been on the road, DJ and other PP fans would be on the thread talking about how hard it is to win away from home.

??? huh?  Why are you including my name in that specifically?  Obviously I do think it's hard to win games on the road, but when have I used that as an excuse for losing a game?

but anyway, I'm not sure why PP struggles against some of the national teams every now and then...but i do know that the vast majority of the emphasis there is placed on league games.  That's what the players get up for the most, while other SCIAC teams seem to get up more for playing non-conference games.  Actually, without any statistical research on this (sup Sager), it seems like both CMS and PP seem to lose more of these than perhaps they should, while schools like La Verne, Whittier, and Redlands play better out of conference than in.  Of course, Oxy is leading the way with both their non-conference schedule and their impressive play in those games.  Like someone mentioned though, it seems they ALWAYS lose a game on the road that they shouldn't in league and that comes back to bite them.  If you want to beat out PP, CMS, or CLU, you might be able to survive a road loss to one of those schools, but you certaintly can't do that AND drop one at La Verne

As for league, like I mentioned a few posts back, I would assume Oxy's the favorite, but I have no doubt that my PP boys will be contending as always.  I'll actually be down there to root them on in the always brutally tough home game vs. Cal Tech and the usual cakewalk that is CMS.  Oh wait, i think i got those mixed up
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WestCoastWhiner on January 06, 2006, 12:18:49 PM
Check out some of the posts in the Amherst thread.  Folks over there are talking about tough West Coast programs like Oxy & Pomona.  I can't believe what I am seeing.  I love it.  Thanks Oxy. 

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 06, 2006, 05:53:45 PM
Quote from: WestCoastWhiner on January 06, 2006, 12:18:49 PM
Check out some of the posts in the Amherst thread.  Folks over there are talking about tough West Coast programs like Oxy & Pomona.  I can't believe what I am seeing.  I love it.  Thanks Oxy. 

Yeah, it's nice to see if you're a SCIAC fan. But keep in mind that Amherst and Williams fans are in constant CYA mode, because those two fan bases are absolutely merciless towards each other. To read the NESCAC room, you'd think that neither team ever played an unworthy opponent out of region. Nobody will admit to it, because it gives the other team's fans an edge in their endless arguments.

Also, while the NESCAC has some really top-notch programs, let's keep in mind that they play in a substandard region. There's not a whole lot of perspective there in terms of gauging the talent in other regions. And I doubt that anyone who posts in that room was actually in Cali watching the Lord Jeffs play this week.

I'm not badmouthing Oxy's win over Amherst. It is certainly a very gaudy and much-needed feather in the cap of the 2005-06 SCIAC. I'm just saying that you should take the banter about Oxy and PP in the NESCAC room with a grain of salt.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WestCoastWhiner on January 06, 2006, 06:06:38 PM
I will GS, good points.  But can you get Oxy some love in the next votes for Top 20?  They were #4 and although there is probably merit to what you said about their region, Amherst is a very good team capable of going on another deep tourney run.  Can't the One L to the NAIA D1 runner up and current #2 team and the Whitworth/Amherst wins get us back on the list?  Folks are voting Hanover in there with 4 losses and 2 other teams have 3 losses.  We understand that we don't play many games against other D3 teams so it is hard for the rest of the country to gauge us.  But how about some love? 

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OXY Oswald on January 06, 2006, 06:24:18 PM
Oxy's release for the Amherst game.

http://www.oxy.edu/x4705.xml

Go Tigers!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 06, 2006, 06:28:41 PM
Alas, WCW, I don't have that kind of clout.

I can, however, make a few predictions. The win over Amherst will suitably impress enough voters to get Oxy a lot more than their current modest total of 11 points in the Top 25 poll. Look for them to move up in the next poll into the top five or so in the Others Receiving Votes category (i.e., about #30 or so if you extend the Top 25 downward to number every team that gets a vote). The other prediction I would make is that Pat Coleman would respond to any pleas to give Oxy some love with something along the lines of, "The Tigers are only 3-0 against D3 competition, since LaSierra is a probie that doesn't count -- nor should they, since they're easily one of the worst teams in the country. And 7-4 Whitworth and 8-6 Chapman just aren't good enough to bolster the rep of Oxy all by themselves alongside Amherst, especially since the win over Whitworth was only by one point in the Oxy gym."

Me, I'd at least give some thought to voting Oxy into my #25 slot, although I wouldn't promise anything without a closer perusal of the other teams at the top of the ORV list. But I know how Pat and the voters think; they put a lot of stock in how a team plays against D3 comp, and Oxy just hasn't played enough D3 teams to date. It's the same syndrome that Hope usually fights every season.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WestCoastWhiner on January 06, 2006, 06:54:32 PM
Appreciate the insight.  The curse of being isolated and not having a travel budget.  Same thing happened a few years ago with Oxy went the entire year without a D3 loss until the Elite 8.  Couldn't get much love then, although PC at least was paying attention.  PC, one win is one win but please think of us kindly.

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 06, 2006, 10:30:48 PM
Quote from: WestCoastWhiner on January 06, 2006, 06:06:38 PM
I will GS, good points.  But can you get Oxy some love in the next votes for Top 20?  They were #4 and although there is probably merit to what you said about their region, Amherst is a very good team capable of going on another deep tourney run.  Can't the One L to the NAIA D1 runner up and current #2 team and the Whitworth/Amherst wins get us back on the list?  Folks are voting Hanover in there with 4 losses and 2 other teams have 3 losses.  We understand that we don't play many games against other D3 teams so it is hard for the rest of the country to gauge us.  But how about some love? 



How about you wait for the poll to come out before you complain about it? I would say it's likely Occidental will be in the Top 25, which is pretty good for a team that basically only played Pacific Union (twice), La Sierra (twice) and West Coast Baptist up until the day after the last vote.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on January 06, 2006, 10:39:28 PM
I guess that means Pomona-Pitzer and CMS have to be ranked too, since they're as good or better than Oxy, per WCW.  Gonna be a historic week for the SCIAC!  :)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 06, 2006, 10:45:23 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on January 06, 2006, 10:39:28 PM
I guess that means Pomona-Pitzer and CMS have to be ranked too, since they're as good or better than Oxy, per WCW.  Gonna be a historic week for the SCIAC!  :)

Now, now, David - remember that you are not living in Ohio anymore!

Your weather may be warmer, but your new 'cohorts' may be colder! ;D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 07, 2006, 09:24:25 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 06, 2006, 10:30:48 PMHow about you wait for the poll to come out before you complain about it? I would say it's likely Occidental will be in the Top 25, which is pretty good for a team that basically only played Pacific Union (twice), La Sierra (twice) and West Coast Baptist up until the day after the last vote.

You really think that Oxy is going to crack the Top 25, Pat? That means leapfrogging a lot of teams. More importantly, it means that there has to be a certain number of spaces opening up at the bottom of the Top 25, and it's hard to see many possibilities for that. First of all, North Central gets first dibs on a Top 25 space ahead of Oxy, because the Cards are undefeated and just beat #1 Illinois Wesleyan on the Titans' home floor (this assumes that the Cards win at Aurora tonight, of course). Second, what teams are going to fall out of the Top 25? Ohio Northern and tonight's Hanover/Bluffton loser are the only two certainties that I can see, with St. John Fisher the only team in the bottom five playing tonight that has a real chance at an upset loss (@ Hartwick), although I can see Elmhurst plummeting out of the Top 25 from the #16 spot if they lose their second game this week at Augie tonight.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Titan Q on January 07, 2006, 10:04:40 AM
I gotta believe #16 Elmhurst is out, Greg.  The voters have been appropriately patient with the 'jays after the losses @ #6 Hope, @ UW-Platteville, and  @ #5 Albion, but with a home loss to unranked Millikin Wednesday, I just can't see many voters sticking with them.  Of course, EC does play @ #13 Augustana tonight...if they win that one, they'd have to weigh "great win" vs "bad loss."
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 07, 2006, 11:15:31 AM
Quote from: Titan Q on January 07, 2006, 10:04:40 AM
I gotta believe #16 Elmhurst is out, Greg.  The voters have been appropriately patient with the 'jays after the losses @ #6 Hope, @ UW-Platteville, and  @ #5 Albion, but with a home loss to unranked Millikin Wednesday, I just can't see many voters sticking with them.  Of course, EC does play @ #13 Augustana tonight...if they win that one, they'd have to weigh "great win" vs "bad loss."

I agree, on the condition that Elmhurst loses tonight. If they beat Augie on the road tonight, I think that that cancels out the home loss to Millikin in the minds of the voters.

Any way you look at it, though, it's hard to envision more than three teams dropping out of the Top 25. North Central is a shoo-in for one of those three spots. Not that I'm entirely disagreeing with him at this point, but I'd like to read Pat's explanation as to why he thinks Occidental is going to get one of those two (at most) other spots.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 07, 2006, 03:17:35 PM
It's a long day today, I think other things can happen that would affect Top 25 spaces. For example, Lincoln just lost to Lebanon Valley on a neutral floor, which could yo-yo them out. Rochester's loss last night will drop them off some people's ballots, though not necessarily out of the Top 25 entirely. Catholic lost this week, as did Ramapo, which will cost them some of their votes.

The key facet will be whether the voters see this as more a function of Occidental being underrated or Amherst being overrated. There are facets of both, in my opinion, of course.

One other team that needs to be made room for, potentially, is Wilmington. There might be enough upheaval this week to prompt some voters to re-evaluate their ballot entirely.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 07, 2006, 03:20:34 PM
Pat,

I gotta type faster - you beat me to the punch!

#21 Lincoln's loss will presumably open up another slot in the top 25.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 07, 2006, 06:03:02 PM
Yup ... but as Pat mentioned, 12-1 Wilmington has knocked off two ranked teams in the past week, Ohio Northern and Baldwin-Wallace. Given the strength of the OAC, I gotta think that the voters are going to take a serious look at giving the Quakers some love in the next poll. And 11-0 NYU may duplicate that feat tomorrow with a home win over #19 Carnegie-Mellon, following on the heels of their victory over #18 Rochester last night.

In other words, Oxy's not the only team under the radar that's been burnishing their credentials this week.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dewcrew88 on January 07, 2006, 09:15:48 PM
In this week's Sports Illustrated, there is a great column by Rick Reilly about Caltech... they haven't won a SCIAC game in 21 years? Wow. :o
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OXY Oswald on January 07, 2006, 09:46:45 PM
Quote from: budcrew08 on January 07, 2006, 09:15:48 PM
In this week's Sports Illustrated, there is a great column by Rick Reilly about Caltech... they haven't won a SCIAC game in 21 years? Wow. :o
Wow is right, I had no idea their streak of mediocrity was that impressive.  Seems like their due, perhaps I'll reconsider my affiliation and root for Cal Tech this year  ???

Looks like I'm in for a long season...  :-\
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 07, 2006, 11:33:20 PM
Quote from: OXY Oswald on January 07, 2006, 09:46:45 PM
mediocrity

Uhm, I don't think that's the right term. :)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OXY Oswald on January 08, 2006, 12:01:59 PM
Oh no Pat, it's the right term.

Mediocrity

n 1: ordinariness as a consequence of being average and not outstanding [syn: averageness] 2: a person of second-rate ability or value
3: Cal Tech Athletics
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 08, 2006, 06:08:03 PM
There is hardly anything ordinary about that performance.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OXY Oswald on January 08, 2006, 11:18:38 PM
Touche Pat, touche.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on January 09, 2006, 08:47:40 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 07, 2006, 09:24:25 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 06, 2006, 10:30:48 PMHow about you wait for the poll to come out before you complain about it? I would say it's likely Occidental will be in the Top 25, which is pretty good for a team that basically only played Pacific Union (twice), La Sierra (twice) and West Coast Baptist up until the day after the last vote.

You really think that Oxy is going to crack the Top 25, Pat? That means leapfrogging a lot of teams. More importantly, it means that there has to be a certain number of spaces opening up at the bottom of the Top 25, and it's hard to see many possibilities for that. First of all, North Central gets first dibs on a Top 25 space ahead of Oxy, because the Cards are undefeated and just beat #1 Illinois Wesleyan on the Titans' home floor (this assumes that the Cards win at Aurora tonight, of course). Second, what teams are going to fall out of the Top 25? Ohio Northern and tonight's Hanover/Bluffton loser are the only two certainties that I can see, with St. John Fisher the only team in the bottom five playing tonight that has a real chance at an upset loss (@ Hartwick), although I can see Elmhurst plummeting out of the Top 25 from the #16 spot if they lose their second game this week at Augie tonight.

Oxy does in fact crack the top 25, at #24.  (No love for Pomona-Pitzer or CMS, however.  :D)  Debutantes #12 North Central, #17 Wilmington, and #23 UW-Whitewater (not really a deb, as the Warhawks were in the preseason and Week 1 polls) came in ahead of Oxy, but there were five teams that dropped out to make room: Ohio Northern, Hanover, and Elmhurst, as mentioned above, as well as Lincoln and Rochester. 

Congratulations to the Oxy Tigers!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on January 09, 2006, 09:03:47 PM
Way to go Tigers!!

Let's hope we keep it up with the league opener against LaVerne this Wed (at Claremont) and against Cal Lu at home on Saturday.

Io Triumphe!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on January 09, 2006, 09:08:57 PM
Quote from: Sabretooth Tiger on January 09, 2006, 09:03:47 PM
Let's hope we keep it up with the league opener against LaVerne this Wed (at Claremont) and against Cal Lu at home on Saturday.

???  Why is this; does LaVerne not have a home court? 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pomonaalum on January 09, 2006, 10:16:13 PM
http://www.pomona.edu/magazine/pcmwin05/FSpopovich.shtml

See link for interesting article on Poppovich by Bill Plaschke, with a lot of references to his Pomona days, from the Pomona Magazine.  Good read.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OXY Oswald on January 09, 2006, 11:29:53 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on January 09, 2006, 09:08:57 PM
Quote from: Sabretooth Tiger on January 09, 2006, 09:03:47 PM
Let's hope we keep it up with the league opener against LaVerne this Wed (at Claremont) and against Cal Lu at home on Saturday.

???  Why is this; does LaVerne not have a home court? 

Not sure, I'm going to the game and I was actually surprised to hear it was at CMS.  Any Leopards on the board that might have an answer?

And congrats to the #24 Occidental Tigers, let's keep it up guys!  ;D

Go Tigers!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: samiam on January 10, 2006, 12:00:58 AM
Quotedoes LaVerne not have a home court?
The Super Tents structure is still under renovation, I think.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OXY Oswald on January 11, 2006, 04:04:04 PM
Anyone going to the Oxy / La Verne game tonight??

Be there or be square, me and some compadres should be at a bar near the campus to pregame.

Go Tigers!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: castle on January 11, 2006, 05:19:16 PM
Opening night of SCIAC play; this season looks to be a two-team race between PP and OXY, with CMS being the dark-horse...

Game of the Night:

Whittier at PP.  PP has won the last four meetings; but the Poets have won three in a row and they play tough at PP(losing by a combined 8 points last two years).  Prediction PP by 5.

CMS by 6 @Redlands (CMS won by 21 @Redlands on Dec.3)
OXY by 11 vs. LV @CMS (LV's website shows that the supertent won't be ready until middle of Feb.)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on January 11, 2006, 05:57:20 PM
The tent is in fact being renovated.  We were going to broadcast but when we found out it was at CMS, we said no -- logistical nightmare doing a game there (Unless someone can tell me that the gym is wi-fi'd now).
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dj_hyphen on January 11, 2006, 07:22:19 PM
Quote from: tigersports on January 11, 2006, 05:57:20 PM
We were going to broadcast but when we found out it was at CMS, we said no -- logistical nightmare doing a game there (Unless someone can tell me that the gym is wi-fi'd now).

that gym is just awful in every aspect
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: samiam on January 11, 2006, 07:30:29 PM
Does anyone know if LV will broadcast tonight's game against Oxy? I know they do some games. (No offense, tigersports; you know I'd be listening to you if you were broadcasting tonight.)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 11, 2006, 08:39:02 PM
If there are any posters here who follow NATIONAL d3 bb, I appeal to you to check out Posters' Poll on the Multi-Region board.  We have started a poll (NOT intended to compete with the official d3hoops.com poll!); I think discrepancies between the 'real' poll and our poll could generate some lively conversations.

In the first poll (Tuesday) there were no voters west of Texas, and a heavy midwestern (geographical, not Midwest Region) bias.  I've appealed to both DC and diehardfan to reconsider their decisions not to participate, but in case that doesn't work, anyone else?!

As stated on the thread, I DO reserve the right to disallow overly 'homerish' ballots (5 teams from the SCIAC in the top 20 ain't gonna cut it!), but I intend to invoke that right only in EXTREME cases.  Oxy ended up the equivalent of 27th - think they should have been higher?  Vote!  (But, PLEASE, only those who DO follow d3 nationally.)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: samiam on January 12, 2006, 01:55:14 AM
Oxy beats La Verne tonight, 68-56, moves to 10-1.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tom Brady on January 12, 2006, 11:54:11 AM
Hey guys and gals.  Check out the newest issue of Sports Illustrated and read rick Rileys column in the very back.  SCIAC and Cal tech gettin some love.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OXY Oswald on January 13, 2006, 12:27:34 AM
Pretty good game by the Tigers last night against a decent La Verne squad.  Oxy was in complete control in the first half going into the break with a comfortable lead.  The Leopards made a valient effort in the second half but fell short.

The Tigers advance to 10-1.

Good luck to Oxy on Saturday against the Kingsmen, I guarantee they'll be markedly better than La Verne.

Go Tigers!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OXY Oswald on January 13, 2006, 12:30:35 AM
Also, a great call by Tom Brady.  The article in SI is funny and it gives the SCIAC some facetime.  Make sure to check it out.  It is the issue with Vince Young on the cover (January 9 edition).
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 13, 2006, 03:10:04 PM
Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville) listeners got a good discussion of this back on Tuesday night.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 13, 2006, 11:46:52 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 11, 2006, 08:39:02 PM
If there are any posters here who follow NATIONAL d3 bb, I appeal to you to check out Posters' Poll on the Multi-Region board.  We have started a poll (NOT intended to compete with the official d3hoops.com poll!); I think discrepancies between the 'real' poll and our poll could generate some lively conversations.

In the first poll (Tuesday) there were no voters west of Texas, and a heavy midwestern (geographical, not Midwest Region) bias.  I've appealed to both DC and diehardfan to reconsider their decisions not to participate, but in case that doesn't work, anyone else?!

As stated on the thread, I DO reserve the right to disallow overly 'homerish' ballots (5 teams from the SCIAC in the top 20 ain't gonna cut it!), but I intend to invoke that right only in EXTREME cases.  Oxy ended up the equivalent of 27th - think they should have been higher?  Vote!  (But, PLEASE, only those who DO follow d3 nationally.)

Before the weekend games scroll this even further, wanted to appeal again for one or more west coast voters.  In the inaugural poll there were two voters from the West region, but both were WIAC - I've studied enough geography to be PRETTY sure that Wisconsin is pretty far from the west coast!!  If you follow d3 nationally, please check out the Posters' Poll thread on the Multi-Region Board.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dj_hyphen on January 15, 2006, 02:41:49 AM
rumor has it that yet ANOTHER cms player has quit...this time it's Turner

so after leaving PP and then CMS, the question looms...will Oxy receive his transfer app?  :D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pomonaalum on January 15, 2006, 09:18:03 AM
?????

QuotePomona-Pitzer 57, Caltech 48
Jan 14, 2006

PASADENA, Ca — Pomona-Pitzer wins hard-fought defensive battle to defeat Caltech 57-48. Trailing by 8 at the half, 25-17, Caltech immediately fell behind by 10 on a basket by Ed Wexler-Beren (20 points). Caltech slowly responded over the next 6-plus minutes, finally forging a tie 33-33 at 13:22 on a three by Chris Yu. Pomona again pulled away with Wexler-Beren fueling the Sagehen offensive push to lead by 9 at 8:51. At 6:53, Evan Flagg's jumper made it a ten point deficit.

Caltech rallied on more time. A Scott Davies successful three was followed by a three from Jordan Carlson (15 points) at 1:58 as the shot clock expired to pull the Beavers to within 3, 51-48. Pomona called time-out. On the ensuing possession, the Sagehens used some clock before Jabarri Reynolds hit a back-breaking three pushing the lead back to 6. Missed three-point attempts by Caltech on the next two possessions and Pomona made their free throws for the final margin.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 15, 2006, 10:13:55 AM
Wow. Caltech was within three points of one of the SCIAC's top two teams with less than two minutes left in the game? Of all the stories in D3 yesterday, that one may actually be the most dramatically improbable. Congrats to Roy Dow & Co. on a tremendous moral victory.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on January 15, 2006, 01:50:50 PM
Oxy beat Cal Lu 70-42 moving its record to 11-1 on the season.

Io Triumphe!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on January 15, 2006, 02:03:29 PM
I was surprised early in the year when the U of Dallas did not crush Cal Tech in Dallas.  But the scores of other Cal Tech games seemed to be more in line with the past. 

It looks like they can't be taken too lightly.  I haven't had a chance to read the SI article yet, but maybe Cal Tech is looking for more ink. :)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WestCoastWhiner on January 16, 2006, 01:17:22 PM
PP by 10 over Cal tech?  Did Kats send his JV team?  This year's PP team is shaping up to be an interesting story (beaten by a young Wash. U team, embarrassed by Amherst and a 10 point W over Cal tech).  Only solid W thus far is against a deflated Whitworth.  My early season prediction nonetheless stands, another banner year for Kats.  Too much talent on that team for Kats not to find a way to squeak out another banner.   Knowles has D2 potential and WB, Lloyd are also 1st teamers.  Any of those 3 could be MVP.   WB isn't as talented as the other two but never has an off night.  Maybe the coaches will vote to let all 3 split it. 

Real dog-fight will be for second.  CMS, Oxy and my sleeper LV will fight it out.  Why the smack on Oxy?  Kids haven't shown like Kats's boys that they can show up for the key 4 road games that you face.  If they voted awards off home performances Betty would be an All-American.  But unfortunately for him they don't and you have to be able to both bring it and show poise on the road.  PP always has and they will again this year - although based on how mediocre they are playing they too will take two lumps on the road in the SCIAC this year.   Whittier still has its annual big upset in the waiting.  Could be PP again.  Cal Lu will beat some folks at home.

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on January 16, 2006, 08:56:04 PM
Oxy moves to up to # 19 from 24 in this week's top 25.

Eat'em up Tigers!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bballfan2 on January 17, 2006, 02:51:15 AM
Whiner, "Could be PP again"? Whittier lost both to PP last year, but I do agree LV is a dark horse.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: castle on January 17, 2006, 01:58:20 PM
LV a sleeper?  They better come alive pretty quick with games @CLU and vs.PP this week...not to mention that they only have 1 true home game on the schedule.

OXY has a chance to prove that they can play on the road this week...@Whittier and @Redlands.  Game of the week is PP @CMS, PP has won the last two games at Ducey.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WestCoastWhiner on January 17, 2006, 08:05:38 PM
Should be a very good game between PP & CMS.  Winner will move into the front-runner seat in my mind.  The Stags have been getting better and that game is always close.  Oxy can send more messages this week that they are not faking the funk with Ws on the road.   Lots of good basketball left.     

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OXY Oswald on January 18, 2006, 12:58:57 AM
Wins on the road this week will a great boost for the already high hopes of every one here in Eagle Rock, the Tigers have been playing solid ball and I hope to get to see them at Whittier... Unfortunately Redlands is just too damn far, guess I'll have to wait till their three point side-show of a team comes to play the Tigers at home.

Go #19 Tigers!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on January 18, 2006, 03:42:35 PM
WestCoastWhiner writes:  "The winner [of the PP CMS hoops match] will move into the front-runner seat in my mind."

Really?  Given the pre-league results . . . and the national rankings . . . you somehow don't see Oxy as the presumed SCIAC front runner?

Not sure I understand that.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dj_hyphen on January 18, 2006, 06:46:31 PM
yeah, i don't see how Oxy isn't the frontrunner

:D @ Turner quitting before he faced PP...that woulda been fun to see
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WestCoastWhiner on January 18, 2006, 08:48:44 PM
The transfer quit?  Someone has to give the skinny on that.  2nd player to pull something like that at CMS this year.  Yet they pulled together once through the adversity...

Oxy gets the national rank it deserves for its non-conference play.  But we are in the SCIAC here, land of Kats.  As a historian, I can't put Oxy on a pedestal until they prove something.  It's kind of like picking Tennessee to win the SEC.  Yeah they can play and yes they are well coached but in a conference with Florida and even a down Kentucky team, you would be foolish to say that Tennessee is the front-runner.  Better analogy is Maryland and Gary Williams.  It took him going all the way before folks in the ACC started looking at that program as more than a mid-tier ACC team.   

Now that is the last time anyone will hear me ever talk about the SCIAC in the same sentence as the ACC.  We are more like the Soutland Conference considering our bagels in the Tourney. 

Until Oxy proves something, I stick with the Big 3. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pomonaalum on January 18, 2006, 10:53:59 PM
Should be ain interesting game in the band-box, junior high gym that is Ducey.  Though watching from the upstairs "balcony" was always fun.  Looks like Lloyd didn't play in the last game against CalTech - is he still hurt?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: samiam on January 19, 2006, 12:26:25 AM
No. 19 Occidental 63, Whittier 43
Claremont-Mudd-Scripps 56, Pomona-Pitzer 42
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on January 19, 2006, 12:26:51 AM
Now, as a Maryland native...

I do have to point out that since Gary Williams got to College Park in 1989, the Terps have made the tournament 11 of the last 12 seasons and he is  2nd on the all-time wins list behind Lefty at Maryland.

I believe they have 7 or 8 Sweet 16 appearances and 2 Final Fours, along with the championship in 2002...

He has done a marvelous job of turning the program around after Bob Wade and Len Bias left the program (tragically) in shambles.  He is the 5th all-time winningest coach in the ACC.

Granted, you have the traditional powers of Duke and UNC in the ACC, but I don't know if anyone would consider the Terps a mid-level ACC team...

Granted, I am biased, but I am biased towards my Oxy Tigers too.  I don't think you can argue against our ranking, regardless of how we have done in the past.  Didn't we just beat LV and CLU and Whitworth and Amherst?  We'll see when we go up against PP, but I don't think anyone can stop Betty down low.

Just like in football, give us some love.  In that way, we are similar to the Terps.

(The Oxy-Whittier game should be about ending right now, scores?) 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on January 19, 2006, 12:27:54 AM
Add Whittier to the list.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WestCoastWhiner on January 19, 2006, 03:32:51 AM
20 point win at Whittier is a nice statement for Oxy.  Team looks like it is improving.  3 games in, I'm not prepared to jump on the bandwagon.  I need to see if they can overcome a tough Redlands crowd and most importantly, bring it against the SCIAC Duke & UNC next week.  I agree with you OF21 that when Betty shows up, he should get All-American votes.  The kid is special.  I'll look to see if he can continue to silence the doubters who don't think he will show up every night, like the great ones do. 

Someone give a report out of CMS.  Haven't seen a blowout by any SCIAC team over the Hens in a long, long time, let alone the Stags.  Especially in light of the Turner turmoil and the Hens bringing back not just everyone but 3 1st teamers.  I still think Kats is too great and their talent is too good not to turn it around.  But dang, that one hurts.

Off topic but OF21, on your GW point, I agree he is a great, great coach.  That is undisputable.  As an ACC fan, its obvious that the Terps are always a notch below UNC & Duke.  They certainly can beat them on any given night, especially at home, but like Oxy, they haven't found the way to win those 2 key road games that mean everything.  In the ACC GW has 1 ACC title in 17 years & I think only 1 ACC Tournament title in that same period).  Not exactly the stuff of a conference power.  Check Duke & UNC in that same period.  Fortunately for Terp fans, 3rd or 4th place in the ACC gets you in the Tourney, where Gary's great coaching finds Ws - well, it never hurts to have 3 or 4 future NBAers as well. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dj_hyphen on January 19, 2006, 04:57:33 AM
just cause i'm bored:

PP = Duke
CMS = UNC
Oxy = Maryland
CLU = Wake Forest
Whitter = NC State
La Verne = Georgia Tech
Redlands = Florida State
Cal Tech = Virginia



anyway, bad loss for PP tonight...this team is struggling mightily offensively...they're going to have to step that up and rely on great defense (a Coach Kat staple) if they want to win league.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on January 19, 2006, 10:41:47 AM
Nice win for CLU last night over LaVerne  - although neither team shot the lights out...  It's great to see the Kingsmen continue to play hard and smart even with all the preseason health problems (especially losing Minney for the season).  I guess I expected a lot more out of LaVerne this year.  They were coming on strong at the end of last season and it didn't seem like they were going to lose that many key players to graduation.

I'm getting a kick out of the whole SCIAC-ACC comparison - especially hyphen's full conference breakdown (apparently Cal Tech needs to find their Ralph Sampson).  Having said that, I've got to think that this year the Tigers are the conference front runner.  I know that in the past they've had trouble winning down the 210 but I get the sense that this year may be different.  PP is struggling now (I'm not ruling out a turn around) and CMS seems strong but not dominant.  CLU has the aforementioned experience problems, and although you never know what might happen when the Tigers make their last trip to Boston Garden West my sense is that we'll all be pulling for the Tigers to represent the SCIAC well in March.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dj_hyphen on January 19, 2006, 11:51:56 AM
i take it back...Cal Tech isn't even Virginia...i'm downgrading them to Clemson
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WestCoastWhiner on January 19, 2006, 03:31:20 PM
DJ, as usual, your knowledge is evident.  The only thing I would add is that Clemson is fighting out of the cellar and has things on the upswing.  Cal tech doesn't even belong in the SCIAC. 

Look, I respect the effort by those kids but someone has to explain to me why their participation in the conference isn't a reflection of the institutional opposition to athletics at Oxy, CMS, PP, Whittier & Redlands.  Great pub for them in SI but all the same, let them be an independent.  I understand they need to be in the league to keep their NCAA status but what is the value add for everyone else in the conference?  Why wouldn't serious consideration be given to replacing them with Chapman?  What do we lose by that move?  From my perspective we gain a school that isn't that far off from some of the existing SCIAC schools in terms of academia, costs, size, mission.  And we lose a school that has negative emphasis on sports and has no desire to field competitive teams.   Then again, maybe that is true for all of the SCIAC schools.

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: samiam on January 19, 2006, 03:46:17 PM
QuoteI understand they need to be in the league to keep their NCAA status but what is the value add for everyone else in the conference?

The main reason: they'll all graduate and become our bosses. Thus, let's end this discussion now or else they'll give us poor marks in our yearly reviews.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on January 19, 2006, 06:02:20 PM
The football board pretty much ran the whole course of this discussion, starting on about page 87.  I think this link might work:

http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=3702.1290

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on January 21, 2006, 02:53:53 PM
Oxy at Redlands tonight . . . keep the streak!

Eat'em up Tigers
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OXY Oswald on January 21, 2006, 05:54:16 PM
Looking forward to see a good game tonight!  Redlands is always entertaining to watch, even when they're having a down year.

Go Tigers!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: samiam on January 22, 2006, 08:14:28 AM
Oxy over Redlands 112-92 to move to 13-1 (4-0 SCIAC)
CMS over Caltech 59-49 (what is with the close scores this year with Caltech?)
PP over La Verne 77-66
CLU over Whittier 76-60

Oxy dukes it out with CMS on Wednesday for sole conference lead. Should be a great game.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OXY Oswald on January 22, 2006, 04:10:39 PM
Tigers really turned it on in the second half and Redlands went ice-cold from 3-point range. 

Sam Betty posted a season high 47 points, an Occidental record, he was in complete control of the game and scored at will (which has become a common theme).
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dj_hyphen on January 22, 2006, 05:45:01 PM
there should be a separate record book for games with Redlands
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tom Brady on January 22, 2006, 09:33:29 PM
There should also be someone at Cal Lutheran stepping in and stop letting their fans act the way they do.  Maybe I am old school but their fans (students) showed absolutely no class last night.  I actually went to the game (which was my first in many years) and left early when the students started turning around and yelling at the Whittier fans.  Too bad a good game had to end (at least for me) the way it did.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Kingsmen1981 on January 23, 2006, 05:30:48 AM
I have been going to Kingsmen games and games all over the sciac for many years and the students at the cal lu games are the loudest and most energetic fans I have ever seen.  The home court advantage these kids are giving the Kingsmen is an advantage no other team in the sciac has.  It would be a shame  to not let these kids yell and scream on the sideline.  The students even brought a young man who I know personally who is disabled and has expressed to me being with these gentlemen and cheering on the sidline has been a "Top 10 highlight of my LIFE"  I'm sure Daniel  Kuntz will make the decision to keep the "Best fans in DIII basketball" inside that gym. 
As for the chanting at the Whittier fans all I heard was a "Drive Home Safely" and a "Just Like Football" chant but my old ears may have missed something.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dj_hyphen on January 23, 2006, 09:54:41 AM
actually, the Redlands fans usually give their team the best support, although definitely not in any sort of classy way....if they actually had a decent team to root for, it'd be crazy over there

That's why it's better to have your road game at Redlands to be as late in the year as possible...cause after they beat up some unsuspecting teams and scrubs in preseason, they usually enter SCIAC with a fairly decent record.  The fans are always all into it...until the first few SCIAC games bring them back down to reality and the buzz on campus fizzles.  Then by the end, half the Redlands players think the program should revert back to normal ball, and they struggle down the stretch.  it's like clockwork
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on January 23, 2006, 12:15:27 PM
Hyphen-

Your Redlands take is dead on - I was there in mid-February last year and the students who were there quickly lost interest when the game took over the usual pattern.  The players seemed much more frustrated than they had earlier in the season in the game at CLU - at which point I think they were 9-3 or something and still optimistic about the season.

As for the CLU students, in my two chances to observe them this year I've been glad to see such a high level of positive energy, absent of the kinds of personal attacks and disparaging remarks that have become standard issue in D1 student sections across the country.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: mr_rayburn on January 23, 2006, 02:03:12 PM
Remember when Greenlee from La Verne was talking trash before going to La Verne as a transfer 3 years ago.  I just thought about that after looking over the weekends scores.  Good times.  He and La Verne are both doing a wonderful job backing up the talk.

Oxy is definitely the team to beat at this point. Can't argue with an undefeated DIII record so far.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: castle on January 23, 2006, 02:34:05 PM
I was at the Whitter/CLU game and I didn't think that the CLU fans were too bad...just the usually things that you would here on the road.

Big week for OXY(who will probably move to #18); facing CMS and PP...
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on January 23, 2006, 02:44:05 PM
Where did Greenlee transfer from?  I was intrigued to see him sit for 5-6 of the last 10 minutes of a close game at CLU on Wednesday (I think he had two fouls at the time).  It's hard to tell what's going on there...
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WestCoastWhiner on January 23, 2006, 04:41:26 PM
Nobody ever came on here to detail what happened at CMS with Turner.   Big win over PP in his absence but losing that talent off the bench hurts. 

Betty is bringing it.  Other than the guy from CLU, I think it was Avedian, I think that was one of the biggest outputs against the lay-up giving Redlands system.  I listened to the last 15 minutes of that game and Betty must have had about 5 dunks in a row.  I'll give it him for showing up on the road.   If he keeps showing up like that I'm prepared to change my moniker to "Betty for All-America".

Lots of hoops left.  Expect good performances from Oxy this week.  They hold it down in the Rock pretty well.  Ask Amherst.    



Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on January 23, 2006, 04:44:30 PM
Anyone have any idea what happened to Sasich at Oxy?  He's no longer listed on the team roster.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TeeDub on January 23, 2006, 04:50:38 PM
Quote from: WestCoastWhiner on January 23, 2006, 04:41:26 PM
I'll give it him for showing up on the road.   If he keeps showing up like that I'm prepared to change my moniker to "Betty for All-America".

Betty is a stud.  I think he is one of the best that I have seen come through the SCIAC.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on January 23, 2006, 05:24:52 PM
Quote from: WestCoastWhiner on January 23, 2006, 04:41:26 PM
Betty is bringing it.  Other than the guy from CLU, I think it was Avedian, I think that was one of the biggest outputs against the lay-up giving Redlands system. 

I think it was Hodges who had something like 54 against Redlands on 24-25 shooting.  I know he had two big games against the Bulldogs last year.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: mr_rayburn on January 23, 2006, 05:40:37 PM
It was Hodges from Cal Lu that took it to Redlands.  But honestly each of the top teams in the SCIAC has someone that takes it to Redlands.  With the luxury of preparing for "the system" that they run, the good SCIAC coaches are able to break it down and get layups or shots within 5 feet.  Thats why you see shooting percentages against them above 70%...often. 

What I heard about Turner at CMS was that he felt he wasn't "fitting" in with his teammates.  Whether this is his excuse this time is hard to know.  I suppose it would be difficult to transfer across 6th St. to your bitter rivals and join their team.  But again maybe the problem this whole time wasn't with the people at PP or those at CMS.  Maybe this issue is with Turner. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dj_hyphen on January 23, 2006, 07:55:00 PM
what do you mean, "maybe" the issue was with Turner.  It's clearly with him.  The proverbial T.O. of the SCIAC, except change the exceptional talent to above average.  A waste of explosive scoring ability, but a cancer to any squad really

and just to add in to the Redlands defensive prowess, wasn't it our golden boy Chris Wight who dropped 64 on em or something?  Tweety must have been ballin that day :D I think he had the highest point total...with Hodges 2nd
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciacguru on January 23, 2006, 08:29:30 PM
Hodges had 63 pts the 1st game and 52 the 2nd game.
http://www.d3hoops.com/tow/05/jan16.htm

It was Shivers that had 57 pts on 17 3 ptrs against Whittier.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dj_hyphen on January 23, 2006, 08:34:01 PM
yeah my bad, i was way off on Tweety...just checked the redlands archived, he didn't do nearly as well as I remembered.  Props to Hodges
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OXY Oswald on January 23, 2006, 10:20:30 PM
Quote from: Sabretooth Tiger on January 23, 2006, 04:44:10 PM
Anyone have any idea what happened to Sasich at Oxy?  He's no longer listed on the team roster.
Apparently his knees are shot, so he's done.  Good player for Oxy, but the Tigers are still pretty deep and get it done long enough to give our starters a good rest.

Two big home games for Oxy this week, and its the first week back for classes... the student body should be in full force!

Go Tigers
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Eye of da TIGER on January 23, 2006, 10:24:20 PM
Hold on one minute.......... In my very unbiased opinion i believe that the Oxy Tigers have the best crowd support!!!!! Almost the entire football team goes to bball games both home and away.  And for those of you who think your crowd is loud and crazy just wait till the Tigers come to town or you come to the Rock!!!  I understand why some of you think its rude and not very classy, but come on its college basketball.  As an athlete myself, there is nothing like playing in a rowdy stadium.  It makes the game more fun when it seems like everyone is actually interested in the game.  So there you have it, my vote for best crowd and fan support goes to the Oxy Tigers, and for those of you who disagree, just wait to see what we are wearing when you play the Tigers!!!!! ;D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WestCoastWhiner on January 24, 2006, 01:55:31 AM
CLU, Redlands, Oxy all have good home court advantages.  PP's late arriving crowd at half last year against Oxy (word must have trickled around campus that Oxy rolled in with its loud football team fans and the kids dropped their espressos, put on their JCrew sweaters and rolled to the gym), helped their squad blow open a close game with the Tigers.  So when needed, PP can definitely represent as well.  Bigger question than who has the better crowd is who has the most clever crowd.  And here, I give it up to the half dozen Techie fans.  Can't ever forget seeing once sign "Take it to the Hole" then a picture of the mascot.  Somehow that passed the sensors.  Good thing there were more players on the court than fans. 

Turner doesn't realize but he just added some skeletons to his closet that will stay there a while.  Transfer to CMS then quit?  Got to be tough to live that down.  Two failed schools.  Hope he has some other postives in his life and sees the big picture.  Why in the earth would he transfer to CMS?!?  Just to stick it to his boys?  That would be about the last SCIAC school I would have picked for him.

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dj_hyphen on January 24, 2006, 03:45:37 AM
Quote from: WestCoastWhiner on January 24, 2006, 01:55:31 AM
And here, I give it up to the half dozen Techie fans.  Can't ever forget seeing once sign "Take it to the Hole" then a picture of the mascot.  Somehow that passed the sensors.  Good thing there were more players on the court than fans. 

a few years ago, Cal Tech actually had a little cheer squad thing going (and you thought Duke had the ugliest cheerleaders :-\ ), and my favorite cheer was easily:  "Beaver fever...snatch it up"

[banya] that's GOLD Jerry! [/banya]
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Howlinwolf on January 24, 2006, 12:16:18 PM
The enegy level of fans can turn a well contested game into a truly exciting experience for players and spectators. More props to SCIAC schools that create such an atmosphere.
However, there is a line that can be crossed, and an "anything goes" philosophy that encourages crass, unimaginative, "junior high" cheers is both boring and classless. It reflects poorly on the individuals and the college they represent. Any bozo can scream "bull****"  Too often the object is to denigrate opposing players, refs' calls, etc. rather than to really get behind  one's own team. Sure, get into the opposing team's head, but do it with clever cheers. 
Raise the bar AND the volume. The fans that do will distinguish themselves from the rest.

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pomonaalum on January 24, 2006, 12:18:18 PM
My vote for best atmosphere would be PP @ CMS.  Ducey is tiny, hot and loud when those teams meet.  CMS @ PP can be pretty good as well, the bigger gym negates the additional capacity in terms of atmosphere.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OXY Oswald on January 24, 2006, 03:16:09 PM
Doesn't seem like this issue is going to be easily settled, I can say I'll definitely be at the majority of the SCIAC games this year... So I'll going to go ahead and appoint myself to figure out which fans are the best. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on January 24, 2006, 09:16:39 PM
Oxy moves to #16 in the newest national top 25 poll!!!

Go Tigers!
Io Triumphe!

Keep it up boys!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on January 25, 2006, 01:21:16 AM
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Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on January 25, 2006, 11:53:29 AM
Quote from: OXY Oswald on January 24, 2006, 03:16:09 PM
Doesn't seem like this issue is going to be easily settled, I can say I'll definitely be at the majority of the SCIAC games this year... So I'll going to go ahead and appoint myself to figure out which fans are the best. 

Thanks, Oswald - that's big of you  ;)

I obviously have my own biases, but I have to say that the best SCIAC fans I've ever seen at an away game was when CLU played CMS at Ducey with the SCIAC title on the line in 2002.  That crowd changed the game.  I would agree with pomona alum that larger gyms sometimes kill the atmosphere.  I'm looking forward to the new facilities at CLU, but I also know that the new building will make it much more difficult to generate a big homecourt advantage.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: artestes on January 25, 2006, 10:49:08 PM
Turner should just transfer to Cal Tech so he can get the number of shots up that he deserves.

It's a good thing coach kats played Turner as a freshman above me as a senior. That seems to have  paid big dividends for everyone... i'm not bitter or anything
Title: Tonight
Post by: Howlinwolf on January 26, 2006, 01:17:24 AM
Oxy squeaked out a 52-48 win over the Stags in front of a boistrerous home crowd to run their conference record to 5-0. A few well-timed three's and intensified defense made the difference.
Large Oxy student rooting section made a difference, Enthusiastic, vocal, but classy. Grest atmopshere, especially for a weekday game. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dj_hyphen on January 26, 2006, 04:06:23 AM
Quote from: artestes on January 25, 2006, 10:49:08 PM
Turner should just transfer to Cal Tech so he can get the number of shots up that he deserves.

It's a good thing coach kats played Turner as a freshman above me as a senior. That seems to have  paid big dividends for everyone... i'm not bitter or anything

:D ahahhaha...word.



PP beat CLU in a close one last night, so i think they're one game back behind Oxy
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on January 26, 2006, 11:41:19 AM
Hyphen-
Can you (or anyone who was there) give a quick rundown on last night's CLU-PP game?  Was it close the whole way?  The young Kingsmen continue to play tough - historically Cal Lu has a tough time at PP.  I'm looking forward to the Hens' final visit to their favorite gym in the SCIAC. ;D

Tigersports-
I caught the last part of your broadcast last night - you guys do a nice job.  Sounds like a good game with a great atmosphere.  I agree with OxyBob, Oxy will have a challenge on their hands at CMS.  Is it too early to start the "will we get two teams in if they are both 13-1" discussion?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WestCoastWhiner on January 26, 2006, 03:21:30 PM
Artestes, ROTFLMAO.

SCIAC has another interesting race.  CMS wasn't giving up their place on the mantle easily.  Oxy grinding out a close win is testimony to their evolution.  Historically the Big 3 win those games.  Kudos to the Tigers for trying to be poor students of history and for getting the SCIAC national recognition in both football & hoops.  Newhall and his staff have done a great job this year.  Thanks guys. 

Having said that, my prediction stands.  PP will come out on top.  Kats and his boys will come in hungry this weekend.  They will be even better prepared for Oxy than CMS.  Listening to the last 4 minutes last night Oxy played NOT to lose.  If CMS can glove Betty, PP certainly can.   Remember, PP still has the best guard, my prediction for MVP Wex-Bar, the second most talented athlete after Betty in Lloyd, a shooter and a solid big guy down low.  Plus, PP will expect to win.   

My guess is that Oxy's tentativeness displayed at the end of the CMS game carries over into Saturday and we have a 3 way tie for first heading into next week.  Crowd & defense will make it close but Knowles & WB will get 35 points between them.  Would certainly make for an interesting second half.





Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dj_hyphen on January 26, 2006, 08:00:33 PM
^^you really think Betty is a better athlete than Lloyd?  I'm gonna have to disagree on that one man

Scandihoovian, I didn't see the PP/CLU game, but apparently it was a hard fought, physical game throughout...and PP just made the plays down the stretch to win it.  CLU made their living from 3, hitting like 12 of them to stay in the game
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: old_hooper on January 26, 2006, 08:42:13 PM
The CLU-PP game was a close one all the way through.  CLU had the lead most of the game but the Sagehens had a nice little run with about 5 minutes left on some CLU TOs that put them up by 5.  Knowles got a steal and could have easily laid it up but pulled and nailed a 3.  That seem to be the momentum turner in the game and CLU played catchup the rest of the way.  A questionable call on another TO by CLU at the end that looked like it should have been a jump ball with about 12 seconds left and PP was awarded a timeout and the ball.  Good game by CLU that had PP on the edge of their seat all night.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciacguru on January 27, 2006, 12:02:34 AM
Actually there were 3 questionable calls down the stretch.  With a loose ball under CLU's basket being awarded to Pomona when it was clearly off Beron......LLoyd getting away with a push on a missed Hollo FT and putting it back.....then the jump ball/time out (where 2 of the 3 refs called it a jump).

Granted immediately after the Lloyd push....I think the ref gave CLU a makeup call when Beron blocked a shot, but called it a foul and they made 2 FTs after it.  But going back to the fan issue....after the block all 20 PP fans...yelled B***S****!!!! And the CLU fans were called crass?!?!?!

But I do believe that the CLU youth was served as they couldnt get that key stop down the stretch.  But they will be good.  Their 6'7 freshman center is big and athletic, and their guard play with the 2 sophs (Iniss/Arciboni) is very solid.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 27, 2006, 12:27:53 AM
Quote from: scandihoovian on January 26, 2006, 11:41:19 AM
Is it too early to start the "will we get two teams in if they are both 13-1" discussion?

Always too early to start that discussion, considering the conference schedule is only part of the season.

13-1 is irrelevant. Regional record is.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dj_hyphen on January 27, 2006, 04:51:26 AM
Quote from: sciacguru on January 27, 2006, 12:02:34 AM
But going back to the fan issue....after the block all 20 PP fans...yelled B***S****!!!! And the CLU fans were called crass?!?!?!

eh, this chant is completely normal and accepted these days.  I hear it bleed through the mics every game that's broadcast on ESPN or FSN.  I'm not saying it's "classy," but it's so standard now that it's not a big deal to me

besides, who ever claimed PP fans were classy?  The best atmosphere in SCIAC is unquestionably the CMC/PP games at Ducey...which includes non-classy behavior from fans (and parents) on both sides.  To quote Stephen A...Quite frankly, it's a beautiful thing.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 27, 2006, 09:28:10 AM
Quote from: dj_hyphen on January 27, 2006, 04:51:26 AMeh, this chant is completely normal and accepted these days. 

I can think of more than a few campuses where it is considered neither normal nor acceptable. I've seen it chanted with no repercussions suffered by the students who were doing it -- but I've also seen students thrown out of the gym for chanting it.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dj_hyphen on January 27, 2006, 09:33:25 AM
well, at the D1 level, it's completely standard.  At the D3 level, I expect officials would have a tough time if more than say 15 people were doing it...if it's a handful, I can see them being asked to leave if they don't stop after a warning or two.  You'd have to be pretty belligerent to get tossed from a SCIAC game...at worst, some school official might come over and try to get the crowd to stop...but again, that's only if it's a handful of people.  If you have 15+, I doubt anyone would do anything for the BS chant...maybe the SCIAC's more liberal than some of the leagues you're more familiar with
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 27, 2006, 10:19:06 AM
Quote from: dj_hyphen on January 27, 2006, 09:33:25 AM
well, at the D1 level, it's completely standard.  At the D3 level, I expect officials would have a tough time if more than say 15 people were doing it...if it's a handful, I can see them being asked to leave if they don't stop after a warning or two.  You'd have to be pretty belligerent to get tossed from a SCIAC game...at worst, some school official might come over and try to get the crowd to stop...but again, that's only if it's a handful of people.  If you have 15+, I doubt anyone would do anything for the BS chant...maybe the SCIAC's more liberal than some of the leagues you're more familiar with

Yeah, it could be a cultural thing. Most of the midwestern D3 schools are small-town institutions, and a lot of the games promote a family atmosphere. Lots of impressionable small kids everywhere, lots of older people, and lots of administrators nervously standing in the doorways wondering if the students are going to get out of hand. Plus, the more religiously-oriented schools would never stand for the barnyard epithet chant even if a hundred visiting students were doing it. Even the schools whose religious affiliations are nominal take great pains to present themselves as models of institutional decorum. In the gyms of several midwestern leagues (in particular the league with which I'm most familiar, the CCIW), the league and/or NCAA code of fan conduct is either read aloud before a game or printed in the game program.

D1 schools are irrelevant to this issue. Theirs is a completely different culture.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pomonaalum on January 27, 2006, 12:02:47 PM
With few exceptions, SCIAC games are not "family affairs" - there is little to no support from the communities.  The reasons for this are varied and numerous...What fans are there are made up of students, faculty/staff, and some parents of players.  That's about it.  Few small kids, etc.

Not a value judgment, just a statement of fact.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dj_hyphen on January 27, 2006, 12:17:36 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 27, 2006, 12:08:00 PM
(and I believe at all SCIAC gyms)

nope, not at all

also, being a dj, i always paid attention to the music the schools played during the games (hip-hop obviously...aside from the painfully out of place rock at CMC)...and I definitely remember numerous times Oxy didn't use clean edits.  Personally, i couldn't care less...but if they're so concerned about promoting a family atmosphere, someone might want to remember to grab the radio edits

although generally speaking, officials, staff, parents, etc. (aka old white people) struggle to hear anything but the most obvious explicit lyrics...so it's fairly moot
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on January 27, 2006, 01:31:20 PM
Thanks for the compliment, Scandi.  We enjoy doing the games.    As for the comments from DJ Hyphen, as a guy that listened to indie rock and psychedelia back in my college days (and still do, though the indies I listen to were indies back then and crust old white guys now), I must say I just don't get the hip-hop thing.  Is this really what the majority of college kids listen to?  Man, what happened to going to some dive club on Sunset and checking out some obscure band from Austin or Phoenix or something.  (I guess that officially makes me a 40 year-old white guy).   Bottom line, though I don't offend easily, I really don't want to hear n----r or m----th---r while I'm getting ready for the game.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on January 27, 2006, 02:29:47 PM
Thanks for all the insight on the CLU-PP game everyone.  Like I said, I'm already looking forward to the rematch.

I know this is unrelated to basketball, but might be of interest to some of the people on this board who are fans of Sparky Anderson and  Ernie Harwell.  CLU's dedicating it's new baseball field tomorrow, here's a link to the article:

http://www.venturacountystar.com/vcs/co_valley/article/0,1375,VCS_166_4420308,00.html
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OXY Oswald on January 27, 2006, 03:15:17 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 27, 2006, 09:28:10 AM
I can think of more than a few campuses where it is considered neither normal nor acceptable. I've seen it chanted with no repercussions suffered by the students who were doing it -- but I've also seen students thrown out of the gym for chanting it.
Quote

And I've seen a 70+ year old man thrown out, tomato... tomatao
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OXY Oswald on January 27, 2006, 03:17:42 PM
I'm of the mind that most anything should go at basketball games, I understand the idea of family atmosphere... but if the guys on the team (any team) wanted a nice quiet gym to play some ball in while their mom watched they'd play at the YMCA. 

Fan support, especially from the student body is important to any sport, good luck censoring them.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WestCoastWhiner on January 27, 2006, 04:41:59 PM
Kerr incident will go down as the worst display of fan behavior outside of European futbol in recent memory.   Az St. will never live that down.

Fan involvement has to be supported, even with some kids pushing the boundaries.  Personally, I'm just glad folks at SCIAC schools care outside of the Claremont-PP battle & Saturday nights at CLU/Redlands.   

DJ, Lloyd is a pimp and deserved the MVP last year.  WB will take it from him this year, ala Bush-Leinhart.  Knowles wants it too.  Betty is the better athlete but he hasn't proved in the conference that he is in Lloyd's league as a player.   Betty was an outstanding football player for Oxy prior to joining the hoops team and has already registered at least 2 of the top 10 greatest dunks ever by a SCIAC player.  Stepping away from football has clearly opened up his game.  Having said that, Betty's performance against CMS prevents me from jumping on his bandwagon yet.  We'll see whether he has the mental fortitude and poise to put himself on Lloyd's level. 

But speaking of Lloyd, with all of that talent and ability, he may go down as the most disappointing out-of-conference performer ever.  Puget Sound, Trinity, Amherst.  Dang.     


 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OXY Oswald on January 27, 2006, 06:18:56 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 27, 2006, 03:55:30 PM
>>I'm of the mind that most anything should go at basketball games<<

I most respectfully disagree with my esteemed Oxy colleague. Arizona State vs. Steve Kerr comes to mind as an example of "anything goes" gone ugly. Home fans should be encouraged to enthusiastically support their team, to respect their opponents, who are their guests, and always exhibit good sportsmanship in their words and actions.

OxyBob

I looked up the Kerr incident, I'd never heard that story before, maybe some of you have a few years on me... that's absolutely atrocious, no fan with any respect for the game, players, or themselves could ever sink to that level.  So consider my previous statement ammended to include the terrible things said by ASU
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dj_hyphen on January 27, 2006, 06:58:17 PM
Quote from: tigersports on January 27, 2006, 01:31:20 PM
Is this really what the majority of college kids listen to?  Man, what happened to going to some dive club on Sunset and checking out some obscure band from Austin or Phoenix or something.  (I guess that officially makes me a 40 year-old white guy).   Bottom line, though I don't offend easily, I really don't want to hear n----r or m----th---r while I'm getting ready for the game.

Well the players don't mind, and the students don't, but obviously the other people in the building don't want to hear the dirty edits of the tracks...so I was always surprised that nobody said anything when they used the non-radio version.  I think the strangest pre game music I heard was at Biola, who apparently can't play rap music...so they just play the instrumentals.  Weird, to say the least

But anyway, yes, the majority of college kids, and likewise the majority of young people in the country, listen to rap music, at least partially.  Rap comprises most of the Top 40 these days, and pop radio plays a ton of rap...more than ever before.  If you want to get into the reasons behind that, you could write books...but basically, old rich white men market the 'taboo' stereotypical image of young black youth, making millions off suburban kids everywhere and ****ing up the future of the black community at the same time.  It's pretty effective for them
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dj_hyphen on January 27, 2006, 07:11:21 PM
Quote from: WestCoastWhiner on January 27, 2006, 04:41:59 PM
DJ, Lloyd is a pimp and deserved the MVP last year.  WB will take it from him this year, ala Bush-Leinhart.  Knowles wants it too.  Betty is the better athlete but he hasn't proved in the conference that he is in Lloyd's league as a player.   Betty was an outstanding football player for Oxy prior to joining the hoops team and has already registered at least 2 of the top 10 greatest dunks ever by a SCIAC player.  Stepping away from football has clearly opened up his game.  Having said that, Betty's performance against CMS prevents me from jumping on his bandwagon yet.  We'll see whether he has the mental fortitude and poise to put himself on Lloyd's level. 

But speaking of Lloyd, with all of that talent and ability, he may go down as the most disappointing out-of-conference performer ever.  Puget Sound, Trinity, Amherst.  Dang.       

hmm...i'd be willing to say Lloyd has a few of the greatest dunks in SCIAC history too, along with some of the more incredible blocks I've ever seen.  A bunch of sportscenter top 10 worthy plays if they had happened at the D1 level.  As for that second statement, sure he hasn't had the greatest games in those 3 match ups...but with such a small sample set, you really can't make any definitive statement like that.  Especially to say "ever"...come on now
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciacguru on January 27, 2006, 07:58:49 PM
Betty is far and away the best player in SCIAC now, regardless of athleticism.  He is the best player on the best team.  This result of the game this weekend will determine that....if PP ever comes out of their zone.  Yes, Lloyd was voted the MVP of the SCIAC last year....but he was no where near the best player LAST YEAR.  Hodges, Jolly, Taylor should have been strong considerations.  But to say that a guy who averaged 10-12 pts in a season was the best player....come on.  But he sure is making a run at it this year.  He was a stud in the CLU game, but I still dont think he is better than Betty.

And for Betty being an outstanding FOOTBALL PLAYER, I would have to disagree.  He was the Jerome Bettis of Oxy football.  Put him in on the goal line and throw it up.  Because the guy has 3 TD's on 3 catches doesnt make him a great FB player.  It makes him a great situational player.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WestCoastWhiner on January 27, 2006, 08:38:40 PM
Outstanding in the sense that he wasn't there just to have a uni on.  The kid added value.  Lloyd would get hit and take a while to get up.

Doesn't matter how many Lloyd averaged last season.  12 ppg in PP's system equates to about 20 in everyone else's. 

But you may be right about Betty.  Until the CMS game he has been playing as if he is one of the best players in the country.  His game from the pinch and the wing has seemed unstopable at times.  But to get gloved in a big game raises a big question mark in my mind.  Everyone is entitled to a less than spectacular game, even MVPS - but against the 2 time defending champs, Betty has to bring it to be considered in that camp. 

DJ, I'll put money down that Betty has had 3x Lloyd's dunks this year. 

I have no doubt that Lloyd has had some monsterous plays but I'll stick with Betty.  The guys has the size to dunk on 2 at a time. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dj_hyphen on January 27, 2006, 09:16:30 PM
word, the dunking argument is pretty pointless, cause last i checked, we don't have a SCIAC tv package.  So the incredible plays that both Lloyd and Betty have made have only been seen by a handful, and rarely has one person seen both.  Tough to compare the almost 'urban legend' of some of these plays, that will surely grow over years from "a monster windmill fast break dunk" to lefty 360's in traffic.

Hopefully they'll both be able to put on a show this weekend....with my Hens pulling out the big win
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OXY Oswald on January 27, 2006, 10:23:00 PM
Quote from: sciacguru on January 27, 2006, 07:58:49 PM
And for Betty being an outstanding FOOTBALL PLAYER, I would have to disagree.  He was the Jerome Bettis of Oxy football.  Put him in on the goal line and throw it up.  Because the guy has 3 TD's on 3 catches doesnt make him a great FB player.  It makes him a great situational player.

Which is what the Tigers needed him for.  As a matter of fact, Sam actually would make his own playcard to go in his wrist band prior to game time with one word written on it... FADE.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 28, 2006, 02:49:15 AM
Quote from: OXY Oswald on January 27, 2006, 03:15:17 PMAnd I've seen a 70+ year old man thrown out, tomato... tomatao

Wow, a septuagenarian chanting the barnyard epithet at a basketball game? That would almost be worth the price of admission, just for the man-bites-dog spectacle of it all.

Quote from: OXY Oswald on January 27, 2006, 03:17:42 PM
I'm of the mind that most anything should go at basketball games, I understand the idea of family atmosphere... but if the guys on the team (any team) wanted a nice quiet gym to play some ball in while their mom watched they'd play at the YMCA. 

Fan support, especially from the student body is important to any sport, good luck censoring them.

Huh? How do you equate disallowing the BS chant with a "nice, quiet gym"? I could show you lots of gyms here in the midwest where nobody chants that, either by choice or by edict -- and yet the crowd is as loud as all get-out and the student section is intense and in-your-face.

In fact, the common rule of thumb for a lot of student sections is that the BS chant simply demonstrates a lack of wit on the part of those who use it.

Don't equate the family-atmosphere thing and the lack of vulgarity by the students with a lack of noise, intensity, or ire directed at opposing players and/or refs.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Howlinwolf on January 28, 2006, 01:34:39 PM
I've already posted pointedly on this subject. Any yahoo can chant an expletive. It's unnecessary, unbecoming, and unoriginal. Equating bursts of "BS" with  fan enthusiasm is just plain faulty logic.
Those fans who stand out from the rest are full-throated and clever. If they're college fans, esp. at SCIAC schools, then act like it, and distinguish your college from the supposed masses that can't find other words to express their support (or displeasure).

Nice shot of Betty on front page of D3 Hoops.


Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciacguru on January 28, 2006, 02:47:06 PM
Quote from: pomonaalum on January 27, 2006, 12:02:47 PM
With few exceptions, SCIAC games are not "family affairs" - there is little to no support from the communities.  The reasons for this are varied and numerous...What fans are there are made up of students, faculty/staff, and some parents of players.  That's about it.  Few small kids, etc.

Not a value judgment, just a statement of fact.

If the SCIAC games are not "family affairs," then why does Redlands have games titled "Bring a kid to a game night," or why does CLU have youth basketball games at halftime???  If you were ever to go to another conference game other than PP vs CMS, you would see that the communities are in attendance at SCIAC games.  Regardless....the BS chant is unwarranted....always.

And for once....I agree 100% with Sager.....excellent posts/opinions.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on January 28, 2006, 02:53:01 PM
We'll have the game tonight at 7.30 at oxybroadcast.com.  Both teams better bring it.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciacguru on January 28, 2006, 02:55:33 PM
"Doesn't matter how many Lloyd averaged last season.  12 ppg in PP's system equates to about 20 in everyone else's. "

Then Jeremiah Martin would have averaged 45 ppg in 2000/2001 somewhere else?  Didnt he avg 18-20 ppg for 2 years???  What about Eric Lund in 1997 (MVP) who averaged 8 ppg...guess he was the best player in SCIAC that year too.  Or what about FoSheezie...he was MVP that averaged 9 ppg???  You are right....the MVP in SCIAC does designate the BEST player in SCIAC.

I am not knocking Lloyd's importance to that PP team, his versatility take so much pressure  off Beron and Knowles and gives them that 3rd scorer which they desperately needed for SCIAC, but in regards to last year.....he was not the BEST player in SCIAC regardless of his MVP award.

I think Coach Kats is a good enough coach, that if he has a guy that has the capability of averaging 20+ pts, he finds a way to make it happen.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WestCoastWhiner on January 28, 2006, 03:16:44 PM
Guru, your missing the system aspect run by Kats.  No player is ever featured.  I would guarantee that Kats wouldn't trade Lloyd for anyone else in the conference AND that Lloyd would get 18 ppg for Oxy.  It boils down to shots.   Difficult for a player in that system to consistently put up lots of shots.  Can't argue with the results, Kats dominates the conference.  They should have put a picture of him on the front page and not Betty.   Performance against Amherst by Betty brought him a lot of attention and until CMS he has backed it up.  It didn't seem to me that he did enough in that game to influence the game in other areas.  Thankfully for Oxy, Phillips brought it as did the Euro and Oxy's perimeter D.  PP has 3 guys tonight who all could be MVP but will play for the W and not to put up numbers.  Should be a great game.  Heck, you have to love that we got a photo on the cover of the Site.  X factors are Oxy's Euro and WB.       

DJ, I stick with my statement about Lloyd out of conference.  Kid has had opportunities but fades away.  He should have one more chance this year to either lose the title as the worst big-game out of conference SCIAC stud or solidify it. 

That squeaky sound you hear may be the tightening of cheeks at the Rock.   





 

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciacguru on January 28, 2006, 03:20:54 PM
Quote from: WestCoastWhiner on January 28, 2006, 03:16:44 PM
Guru, your missing the system aspect run by Kats.  No player is ever featured.  I would guarantee that Kats wouldn't trade Lloyd for anyone else in the conference AND that Lloyd would get 18 ppg for Oxy.  It boils down to shots.   Difficult for a player in that system to consistently put up lots of shots.  Can't argue with the results, Kats dominates the conference.  They should have put a picture of him on the front page and not Betty.   Performance against Amherst by Betty brought him a lot of attention and until CMS he has backed it up.  It didn't seem to me that he did enough in that game to influence the game in other areas. 

If no players are ever featured....then why has Knowles taken 175 shots, Beron at 220 and the next highest is Porter with 68....nah...they dont feature their players.  I guess Evan Flagg....who starts....is handcuffed by Kats.

http://www.physical-education.pomona.edu/mens/basketball/stats/2006/teamcume.htm#TEAM.IND
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciacguru on January 28, 2006, 03:29:36 PM
All things considered....tonight's game should be good.  I hope to make it as the CLU/Redlands track meet is too far.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on January 28, 2006, 07:35:56 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 28, 2006, 05:41:20 PM
I just checked out The Daily Hen Sports Update, and found these disturbing entries, among others:

"Alex Lloyd scored 19 points and Ed Wexler-Beron added 16 points as the Sagehen's held on for a 65-62 win over Cal Lutheran."

"David Knowles led all scorers with 24 points and six assists as the Sagehen's defeated the Leopards of Le Verne 77-66."

Attention: Editor! Sagehens. La Verne. Geez, did someone from Redlands write that copy?

OxyBob

Don't you mean someone from Redland's?   :D

I might be at Oxy for the game tonight (I still haven't decided); if I come, I'll be wearing a "Wooster" sweatshirt.  Look me up if you like; I'd like to meet you.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Eye of da TIGER on January 28, 2006, 08:23:36 PM
Well its time to put the women and children to bed ......... cuz we are ready for Oxy vs Pomona!!!!! My boys and I are pregaming right now and I'll tell you what the student body is coming out to support its #16 team in the nation.  Tonights crowd is going to be loud, crazy and extremely CLASSY!!!!!!  Good luck to Pomona cuz they are stepping into the Tiger den.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on January 29, 2006, 12:33:41 AM
The Pomona fans evidently chanted "Safe-ty Schoo-ool" at the Oxy fans tonight.  :D That's a much more clever cheer than "Bullsh--."   

Oxy hangs on to win, 53-52.  Maybe Whiner will agree that the Tigers are the current favorites now.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OXY Oswald on January 29, 2006, 01:03:39 AM
The few PP fans in attendence were clever but I felt like the OXY fans got it going right back against them!  Great win for the Tigers, both CMS and PP will be tough games on the road.

Good luck next week OXY!

Go Tigers!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pomonaalum on January 29, 2006, 01:06:13 AM
"Safety School" was usually reserved for CMC...
What's up with the 'Hens offense this year, is Lloyd still not 100%?  And what's with the report of no working game clock?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: mr_rayburn on January 29, 2006, 01:33:44 AM
I was lucky enough to take in the Pomona/Oxy game tonight and as the score indicated (53-52 Oxy) it was a very close game.  I'll go ahead and actually say that Pomona played a better game overall than did Oxy. Without the GREAT game of Connor Whitman, Oxy would have lost by 5-10 points.  In addition to the clock being out and a very old substitute put in play, the referees were not at the top of their game tonight. 

I'd say for the most part the calls were bad on both ends, but there was one play specifically that was atrocious and unfortunately it came to play a very important part in the game.  About halfway through the second half, Kostic caught the ball straight away above the 3-point line with 2 seconds remaining on the shot clock.  He then shot an airball, but one of the other Oxy players caught the ball and completed a reverse layup.  Sadly the clock read "0" while Kostic's shot was in midflight, but because of the clock situation the buzzer was being controlled manually by an Oxy student.  The refs, obvoiusly paying little attention to the game at this point, credited Oxy with the bucket, which I believe put them up by 5 at the time. 

Pomona as usual had a pretty evenly spread offense with Ed Wexler-Beron playing a good game and leading the Hens.  Betty was held in check most of the game, though he did come through with a few big baskets down the stretch.  Gyan Alexander, the lone freshman on the Oxy squad, got significant minutes and though he didn't do much on offence, he was a game changer on defense putting significant pressure on many of the Sagehen guards.

The chants were pretty standard.  The "Safety School" chant was pretty good because the Oxy fans had nothing to return with.  There were a few lower class chants from the Oxy students, such as "You are ugly." Not very clever, but not all that unexpected at a game like this either.

The turnout was great though.  This was a great atmosphere for a basketball game for both teams and really made me want to get back out there on the court with my Sagehens. The away games at Claremont and at Pomona are going to be very tough for Oxy.  I'm starting to feel that this Oxy squad is getting the same breaks that the 2002 team did when they went 14-0.  Something special could be going on in Eagle Rock.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: mr_rayburn on January 29, 2006, 01:36:56 AM
Oh yeah I wanted to add to one of the other debates on this board...the most athletic in SCIAC.

Lloyd has been playing for less than a month and is bound to have ups and downs during his acclimation.  Its pretty sad to see people bash him after he's had 2 significant knee injuries (and surgeries) during his career.  He can still get up. He can still block shots and dunk. He's still a game changer. 

Alex Lloyd as a freshman was one fo the most athletic guys the SCIAC has likely ever seen.  So I'm turning back the clock and giving him the title as most athletic due to what he was and what he still is!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on January 29, 2006, 02:17:24 AM
I'm not going to dispute the fact that Pomona may be a "safety" school for some Oxy students...I have a slightly different take on it...read on.

For me, Pomona wasn't even an option as my grades weren't even close to what they required out there off the 210.

For what it's worth, Oxy challenged me academically beyond my wildest expectations and I think I turned out okay.  I have heard a rumor that once you are admitted to Pomona, maybe the workload isn't as difficult as they want you to graduate and keep their #'s high?  I could be wrong, you would have to ask my brother, PomonaAlum. 

I think Pomona and Oxy offer its students (at least when I was in college) two vastly different experiences academically and socially. 

The one thing I do know is that there is no such thing as Leo's Taco Truck anywhere but in Eagle Rock!

A one point win is a one point win.  Apparently, we are so inept at Oxy that we can't even operate a clock.... ;D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on January 29, 2006, 02:20:25 AM
Maybe its time for a rich Oxy alum to donate some ca$h to the athletic department for some much needed facility upgrades. 

I would do it, but since I didn't go to Pomona, I don't know what having $ is like...I only know that having "The Drum" and a one point win feels pretty damn good.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 29, 2006, 02:36:42 AM
A safety school is what you apply to to make sure you get into some college somewhere. In case you think you aren't going to be admitted to the places you really want to go.

Mine was St. John's. :)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 29, 2006, 02:53:34 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 29, 2006, 02:46:29 AMDon't send my boy to Harvard, the dying mother said.
Don't send my boy to USC, I'd rather see him dead!
But send him to ol' Oxy, 'tis better than Cornell
And rather than Pomona, I'd see my boy in ... Scripps!

We have our own version at NPU:

Don't make my boy a Buckeye, the dying mother said,
Don't send my boy to OSU, I'd rather see him dead,
But send my boy to old North Park ... far better than Purdue,
A fighter for the blue and gold, a Viking through and through.

Every year the male contingent of the NPU Choir sings it as a kickline in the spring concert held at the CSO's Orchestra Hall in downtown Chicago.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WestCoastWhiner on January 29, 2006, 03:16:28 AM
Good insight from the attendees.  I tried to log on for the first 15 minutes of the game and experienced technical difficulties so ran out for a medium-rare filet order.  Thanks for the input those of you who attended.   Haven't seen the stat sheet so I'm going to assume that this win goes to Oxy's coaches & student body.  Getting that kind of big production out of a sophomore (who played some good games last year ), and has been a solid contributor this year but by no means a dominant force, implies that Oxy may have more weapons than folks think.  This clearly isn't just the Betty show.  

Oxy proved me wrong, barely, but nonetheless proved something to this confessed Kats-fan (at least within the confines of SoCal).  I'll also give Betty the nod for MVP (50% of the award anyway).  Home games against CLU (interesting loss against Redlands tonight), Redlands & LV give them an opportunity to continue to improve as a relatively young team (especially at guard).   Snooze on any given night and this thing can shift back to Kats in a hurry.  Still, with PP facing Whittier, Redlands & LV on the road, they too have to avoid the snooze factor.  CMS is looking strong, except for the little payback game for the Hens.  

The thing to remember is that this thing isn't over yet.  It still can get interesting.  Glad to see that the cheeks stayed loose enough at the Rock for the better team to win.  Again, credit to the staff & the student body.  PP brought something and they responded.  

Good creativity by the Hen fans in attendance.  Fear not Tiger faithful, Duke doesn't always win the ACC either and I'm pretty sure most of their students can get into UNC.  Maybe the Oxy football team will bring a big drum and bang on it the entire game to remind the Hen faithful of their football failings.  It would be a nice way of tying the two sports together (winner banging the drum all game long on the hardwood). 



Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on January 29, 2006, 04:27:05 AM
For my loyal listeners, I apologize.  My computer just said to me, "you're not going to broadcast the first half tonight."  Tried rebooting several times and finally did a system restore to last Thursday.  Probably more than you wanted to know.

Great game, great atmosphere, though I thought some of the PP students got a little ugly behind me, but nothing too untoward.

It's hard to judge who's good and who's not in a game like this.  It was not aesthetically pleasing but you could tell that both teams wanted the game really badly.

To me, the entire league comes down to who can win at Cal Lu.  They host each of the top 3 in the second half.  Of course, the team between Oxy, CMS and PP that wins on thhe other's floor likely wins the conference, but given the way thesegames went in the first half, that's going to be hard to do.

As for a safety school, I guess just about every school is someone's safety school.  That is, Princeton is probably a safety school for Harvard.  Oxy, though, hardly qualifies as the classic safety school.  I can think of a lot of local schools to which that would apply.

Anyway, the second half is now available in podcast for those that care.

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OXY Oswald on January 29, 2006, 05:02:08 AM
Quote from: tigersports on January 29, 2006, 04:27:05 AM
To me, the entire league comes down to who can win at Cal Lu.  They host each of the top 3 in the second half. 

I think that is an unbelievable call, Cal Lu is always a tough school to play at, Occidental will be ready and believe me their student following will be right behind them!

Go Tigers!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 29, 2006, 09:56:13 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 29, 2006, 03:04:36 AMNorth Park University?! What a coincidence. That was my safety school.

Uh huh. Fifty dollars says you never even heard of North Park until you saw one of my posts. My alma mater is much too obscure to be a safety school.  :D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pomonaalum on January 29, 2006, 10:21:05 AM
My take is that there is probably not a lot of crossover in terms of applications between Pomona and Oxy, or Pitzer and Oxy for that matter.  At least not when I was in school...things may have changed a bit now, but I think the type of student that the schools attract is a bit different too.  Common overlaps with Pomona would places like Stanford, Carleton, Williams, etc...not sure about safety schools - maybe a UCLA or UCSD for someone from CA...as far as academics, you definitely do have to work hard, and like most liberal arts schools, there's nowhere to hide with small classes.  Getting through and graduating isn't that hard, but getting through with a good GPA does take a bit of work.

Only seen Lloyd play a couple of games, back a few years ago (Wexler-Barons Fr year, and it was already apparent that he would be quite good)  Back then, Lloyd was very athletic, and a bit out of control on the offensive end, but you could definitely see the explosiveness.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on January 29, 2006, 12:22:11 PM
I like to think that the "safety school" chant was meant tongue-in-cheek, the kind of banter that goes on between two academically superior schools.  I can imagine my Wooster compatriots chanting that at their Wittenberg adversaries, but not at Mt. Union; it's a matter of respect.

Speaking of safety schools, somebody tipped off Bill Plaschke to the fact that Caltech has intercollegiate athletics, and he wrote a fawning (if shallow) piece about Roy Dow and the Beaver program, which appears on the front page of today's LA Times sports section:

Humble Pi (http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-plaschke29jan29,1,6860576.column?coll=la-headlines-sports&ctrack=1&cset=true)

It's a little condescending, but I'll take whatever exposure I can get.  Of course, you still have to search the page 15 Scoreboard section with a microscope to find a Caltech score (Whittier 75, Caltech 48), and you won't even find the more important Oxy/Whittier score there or anywhere else in the paper... ::)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on January 29, 2006, 12:44:40 PM
Here's the LTE I wrote to the Times in response.  Since they'll never publish it, I thought I'd at least put it here:

Quote from: David CollingeThank you for highlighting the college basketball program at Caltech.  As a devoted follower of NCAA Division 3 sports, I always appreciate it when I see positive publicity for these great student-athletes who understand what intercollegiate athletics are supposed to be about.  However, it is ironic that it would be the LA Times that publishes this story, since your newspaper has practically non-existent coverage of the Div. 3 league that plays in and around Los Angeles, the SCIAC (of which Caltech is a member.)  One has to search today's scoreboard page for the only mention of Caltech's score, and wouldn't even find there the result of the thrilling game for first place in the conference, won by Occidental College, 53-52, over Pomona-Pitzer.  Puff pieces are great, but we'd prefer actual news coverage.  Thank you.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: El Tigre on January 29, 2006, 01:22:28 PM
Quote from: mr_rayburn on January 29, 2006, 01:33:44 AM
The chants were pretty standard.  The "Safety School" chant was pretty good because the Oxy fans had nothing to return with.  There were a few lower class chants from the Oxy students, such as "You are ugly." Not very clever, but not all that unexpected at a game like this either.

I post on the football site, but first time posting on the hoops page!

mr_rayburn,
I want to disagree with your statement.  Having sat in the student section for the tigers and assisted in starting most of the chants ... we never began chanting "You Are Ugly."  It was actually the PP fans who began chanting when our cheerleaders game out to perform.  Then later the cheerleaders came back out and they began chanting "Your Still Ugly."  The oxy section has tried to be more classy and thus far has done a good job of it. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on January 29, 2006, 01:47:00 PM
I think that Plaschke's "Humble Pi" piece (link in post 452 above) is great and a must read for those who participate in the "why doesn't Caltech leave the SCIAC" debate.

go tigers
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on January 29, 2006, 02:41:03 PM
Given the alleged academic superiority to which Pomona grads lay claim, I'm sure that they actually chanted "you're still ugly."

;D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pomonaalum on January 29, 2006, 03:01:42 PM
At least Oxy has cheerleaders...if someone ever tried at Pomona, there would probably be candlelight vigils in protest.  Though up until the 50s or 60s, the football team used to weigh and "measure" all of the freshman girls.  How times have changed...
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OXY Oswald on January 29, 2006, 03:44:04 PM
I have to say one more time, great win last night for the Tigers.. and good showing by their fans. 

On a side note, John Wooden was at the game last night, front and center.  Too bad we couldn't get him to lead a chant.  :D

Good luck at Cal Tech Tigers, they've made a habit of only loosing by 10 points this year so let's make sure it doesn't get any closer than that.

Go Tigers!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on January 29, 2006, 04:52:48 PM
Was Plascke there, too?  No? 

John Wooden appreciates D3 hoops.  Sparky Anderson appreciates D3 hardball.  Maybe the media should get a clue.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WestCoastWhiner on January 29, 2006, 05:19:50 PM
Great to see out Board so alive.  For a conference trying to come out of the DIII armpit, the passion on this Board is a sign of things to come.  

Also glad some folks here came on to join me in my quest to get SCIAC Administrations to give a hoot about teams they field.  Oxy has been one of the worst.  The fact that their coaching staff can field a top 20 team, in a conference with an embarrassing past outside of conference, and facing the genuine lack of support from anyone at the school who isn't paying tuition, speaks volume for their abilities and drive.  I tip my hat to them.  

Let me get back on the soapbox:

1.  How hard is it to task an SID with spending 15 minutes writing up a game summary and then another 15 posting it, emailing it & calling in the box score to the LA Times?  What?  Worried about providing this to a men's sport and not the women?  Then do the same thing for the women, they deserve it too.  Not doing those MINIMAL tasks that are part of any college SID's job responsiblities, represents incompetence.  The SIDs at Pomona & Oxy should be embarrassed.  Why don't you two folks care?  Unpaid interns in your positions would care more and produce more.  But SIDs are only as good as their leaders.  Our ADs need to be people who identify clear paths to supporting nationally competitive sports and well-respected Athletic Departments.  Hire the right people, set the right expectations and execute.     
2.  Is it that difficult for the conference to actually do something with the conference Website basketball section?  Last year the SCIAC launched a Website and I was peachy happy.  This year, whoever was in charge must have gotten fired because a total of less than 60 minutes has been spent on the basketball info.  
3.  The word out of Pomona is that Oxy was helped by non-functioning clocks, friendly refs & favorable record keeping (can anyone confirm the accuracy of the final score?  Folks in Claremont aren't sure if the final score shouldn't have been PP by 2?)
4.  I may have figured out why Cal tech is in the league.  Secretly, every SCIAC Admin wants to be able to field a team like Cal tech.  No expectations, kids play just to have fun and get relief from studies, team budgets can be under $10k.  
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciacguru on January 29, 2006, 08:13:02 PM
Quote from: WestCoastWhiner on January 27, 2006, 04:41:59 PM
 DJ, Lloyd is a pimp and deserved the MVP last year.  WB will take it from him this year, ala Bush-Leinhart.  Knowles wants it too.  Betty is the better athlete but he hasn't proved in the conference that he is in Lloyd's league as a player.   Betty was an outstanding football player for Oxy prior to joining the hoops team and has already registered at least 2 of the top 10 greatest dunks ever by a SCIAC player.  Stepping away from football has clearly opened up his game.  Having said that, Betty's performance against CMS prevents me from jumping on his bandwagon yet.  We'll see whether he has the mental fortitude and poise to put himself on Lloyd's level. 

Is he on the same level now?  17 pts on 7-14 shooting  and 8 rebs against a zone vs. Lloyd's 9 pts on 4-13 shooting and 4 rebs?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on January 29, 2006, 10:12:49 PM
WestCoastWhiner writes:  "Also glad some folks here came on to join me in my quest to get SCIAC Administrations to give a hoot about teams they field.  Oxy has been one of the worst."

That may have been true the decade of the 90's, aka the "Slaughter Era" but it has not been true since then.  The past president, Ted Mitchell was a great friend to athletics and attended many contests in all sports.  The current interim president, Kenyon Chan is continuing in that tradition and is an even more enthusiastic fan.  The administration that has been in place since 1999 has been very friendly to athletics.

I think that the performance of Oxy's football and basketball programs in those years is self- evident.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: mr_rayburn on January 29, 2006, 10:47:43 PM
Quote from: El Tigre on January 29, 2006, 01:22:28 PM
Having sat in the student section for the tigers and assisted in starting most of the chants ... we never began chanting "You Are Ugly."  It was actually the PP fans who began chanting when our cheerleaders game out to perform.  Then later the cheerleaders came back out and they began chanting "Your Still Ugly."  The oxy section has tried to be more classy and thus far has done a good job of it. 

I didn't want to really say anything further on this subject, but couldn't let this just pass.  You are flat out wrong about the "you are ugly" chant. I was sitting on the Oxy side and heard it clearly directed at a specific Pomona-Pitzer player.  Let's end it at that.

I did not hear the Pomona fans chanting that the Oxy cheerleaders are ugly, though I wouldn't put it past them.  I think it's funny that any schools in the SCIAC have cheerleaders at all.  I know Pomona doesn't and that is not necessarily a bad thing.  It's pretty sad when everyone in the crowd has to hold their breath when the cheerleaders do a routine and hope that no one crashes to the floor.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WestCoastWhiner on January 29, 2006, 11:13:54 PM
Guru, you were right about Betty.  I'm on the bandwagon.  He obviously influenced the game in other areas last night and that is what the great ones do.  If he shows up on the road in the 2nd half of league (something he didn't do last year), as promised, I'll change my name to Betty for All-American.  Little things make the difference.  Whether Oxy can win it and then avoid the whipping at UPS all depends on Betty's ability to continue to do the things outside of scoring that help his team win.  

OxyBob, the Hens always reflect Kats, tough kids who play right and always represent the school well.  Having said that, I am sure that losing never sits well with them, considering their conference dominance under Kats.

I'm going to lob a gentle criticism at my boy Kats.  Nobody is better at defense & defensive adjustments.  His achilles heel is a slight unwillingness at the offensive end to make adjustments.   Maybe that is what kills him the most in the post-season.  Give him Oxy's assistants and PP might be going to Salem this year.   Oxy scores consistently against everyone (UNLV, CS Domingues, Azuza P, Amerst).  Lloyd would have been posted up against smaller men in the Oxy system and Oxy's cheery assistant would have yelled some friendly suggestions to Knowles to stop jacking up so many treys.

Sabertooth, Oxy's football & hoops programs are getting it done in spite of apathy up and down the chain in the Administration - starting with the AD and running to the President.  If the Admin is so friendly to athletics why is the gym falling down and amongst the worst in the SCIAC; why do the coaches run around before the game setting up the facilities - do you make them wash practice gear there too?  I've already spoken about your horrible marketing & SID work.  Friendly in what way?  Be thankful Oxy has great staffs in their hoops & football programs because without them, Oxy wouldn't be much different than Cal tech.  

Folks need to understand that getting to Salem requires turning some of this apathetic, just try to be competitive in conference crap on its head.    
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on January 29, 2006, 11:25:09 PM
I don't know much about CLU's loss at Redlands, but my best guess comes down to the fact that the Kingsmen are so young this year and made too many mistakes of the variety that "the system" depends on.  I expect a very different outcome when the Bulldogs come to Thousand Oaks.

I also agree with the notion that winning at Cal Lu may be the key for Oxy/PP/CMS as they try to win the conference.  It has not been unusual in recent years for CLU teams to beat at least two of the three at home.  The Kingsmen strike me as the kind of team that would love to make a difference in the conference race, these games provide the perfect opportunity.

For the record, I once had some very insensitive PP fans infer that the only thing a CLU degree is good for is flipping burgers.  The nerve  ;D  I'm enjoying watching the Oxy-Pomona rivalry ratchet up - from my perspective they're both great schools.  I was thrilled when CLU got the chance to join a conference with the likes of Oxy & Pomona and leave behind the GSAC (Cal Baptist, Vanguard, Point Loma, APU; standard GSAC pre-game prayer: "Dear Lord, help us smite the heathen Lutherans upon the hardwood without incurring any injuries...")   Oh well, enough said and back to work...

Hey, buddy, you want fries with that?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on January 30, 2006, 01:23:53 AM
The refs for Saturday night SCIAC games are consistently average, at best.  Listen to TigerSports on his broadcasts and he will give you his two cents about the Wednesday night refs vs. the Saturday night refs.

As far as our lack of admin support, I can only hope that that has changed since when I was there (Slaughter Era).  If you didn't know this about Slaughter...who can blame him, he came to Oxy from the University of Maryland and the Len Bias tragedy...would you be supporting athletics if a scandal had just blown up in your face?

Now that I am here in STL, and I have said this before, the SID at Wash U does an amazing job preparing pre and post game notes.  They have full PDF versions available on their website prior to the game and links to post game reviews a few minutes after the final buzzer.  I can only speak for Wash U, but I'm sure most other top notch D3 schools/conferences are just as competent.  Maybe Mr. Holmes needs some help in Eagle Rock. 

Visit STL and see all the NCAA banners hanging from the Wash U rafters...mostly for women's sports, but the entire operation is wonderful.  They even have cheerleaders whom the crowd holds their breath for, not for their looks but also for their lack of skill. 

I can only say this so many times, it's time for our conference to step it up.   I'll admit, the gym at Oxy is a sad excuse for the #16 (and hopefully moving up) team.

It's late, forgive me.  I still love Oxy, I just wouldn't get married there  ;)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 30, 2006, 01:38:41 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 30, 2006, 01:35:23 AM
>>OxyBob, the Hens always reflect Kats, tough kids who play right and always represent the school well.  Having said that, I am sure that losing never sits well with them, considering their conference dominance under Kats.<<

You're the one who brought up the clock, the referees and the scorekeeper as reasons for Pomona's loss, not me. None of those excuses kept Pomona from winning the game last night.

OxyBob

You should use the quote function. All you have to do is hit the quote button on someone's post. Then you need to make sure you don't type your own post inside the two {quote} tags.{/quote}
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sagecock on January 30, 2006, 04:04:39 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 30, 2006, 01:35:23 AM
You're the one who brought up the clock, the referees and the scorekeeper as reasons for Pomona's loss, not me. None of those excuses kept Pomona from winning the game last night.

OxyBob

I'm going to have to call you on that one.  No one is denying that Oxy played a hell of a game, but to deny that the officiating had nothing to do with it is a cop-out.  In a 1-point game, a blown call does in fact change the game.  The lack of a call on the shot-clock violation was terrible.  2-points right there that go the other way, PP walks away with the victory.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 30, 2006, 04:08:45 AM
Shouldn't have let it come down to that.

If either school had bothered to post a box score of this game I might be able to point to other things that could have contributed to the final result. But alas, neither school has a box up. Oh well.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on January 30, 2006, 08:22:53 AM
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I'm going to have to call you on that one.  No one is denying that Oxy played a hell of a game, but to deny that the officiating had nothing to do with it is a cop-out.  In a 1-point game, a blown call does in fact change the game.  The lack of a call on the shot-clock violation was terrible.  2-points right there that go the other way, PP walks away with the victory.
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Though I was not at the game, I am sure there were a few blown calls which hurt both teams.  In a one point game, a lot of variables come into play.  If Oxy made a few more 1+1 foul shots, the game would have turned even more in our favor.  If, that's the operative word.

As far as the scorekeeping and clock, nobody is denying that it is horrible for something as important as the clock to go out in a game of that magnitude.  The clock doesn't even go out in the high school games I coach, and believe me, I am talking about low-level high school basketball.

Maybe Chan or other administrators were at the game and were embarrased by the failures.  From the looks of it, we had a full house on Saturday night...hopefully someone was paying attention, maybe Jon Wooden?  ;D, and will realize that the entire gym needs to be remodeled...

We shall see what happens in Round 2...@CMS and @ PP.

For now, be weary of Caltech next.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on January 30, 2006, 08:26:33 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 30, 2006, 04:08:45 AM
Shouldn't have let it come down to that.

If either school had bothered to post a box score of this game I might be able to point to other things that could have contributed to the final result. But alas, neither school has a box up. Oh well.

I don't know what it takes for Oxy to do this.  I say, hire a work-study student who loves sports and have them do this for them.  I'm sure Oxy spends a lot of money on glossy promotional brochures highliting the beatuiful campus, etc directed at it's prospectives...This, right here is free exposure!  You would think after you guys put Betty on the front page they'd show you some love (and respect) and call/fax/email a box to you.

Maybe someone important trolls these boards...then again, I could be dreaming/screaming about the same things year after year.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dj_hyphen on January 30, 2006, 10:24:47 AM
http://www.physical-education.pomona.edu/mens/basketball/stats/2006/P-P-OXYY.HTM

here's the box

I suppose the thing that made the difference, and only Rayburn has brought up, is that Connor Whitman looks like he absolutely dominated from outside.  In a game where both teams struggle to score 50, he drops 25.  That's domination...and I don't care how on fire he was, it's pretty inexcusable for someone to hit 6 three's in a game that low scoring.  You might want to put a body on him in the zone and tell your guards that he's a shooter.  Even if he hits 2 deep ones with a hand up, you can't give up 6...come on now.

He drops 25, Betty drops 17, and that's it...that's all the scoring they could muster...but yet, it's enough since PP continues its horrible offensive production this year.  If there's only 2 scoring threats, and one's a shooter, how do you not force the ball out of his hands or force tougher shots?  Maybe someone who was there can tell me if he was Kobe-like, cause I just don't see how that can happen. 

The next thing that jumped out at me from the box (aside from horrible free throw shooting from both sides) is that Hollo took only one shot (and missed) in 27 minutes.  That's just not going to cut it, regardless of the reasons why it happened.  It seems like Hollo's struggling a little bit this year, after being one of the better big men in the league the past few years.  At 6'8" and the D3 level, he can be a valuable asset, just like he has been in the past.  Wasn't he a 2nd teamer last year?  Definitely need to get more shots and production out of him in 27 minutes...especially in a game that close


Anyway, congrats to the Tigers for defending home court.  PP will have to take things one game at a time and hope for some help, but Oxy has some tough games coming up so the race is far from over.  Also, despite the board being dominated by Oxy/PP talk, CMS is quietly looking very strong...with only their own close call loss to Oxy.  Plus they host the next match up...but of course, there's the PP rivalry game before that.  Regardless, a great race right now with Oxy, CMS, and PP leading the way, and CLU looking to play spoiler
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on January 30, 2006, 12:02:58 PM
Thanks for posting the link to the box, hyphen.  I'm amazed that the two teams were a combined 12 of 28 from the line - and without Knowles 4 for 4 effort they would have been 8 for 24 (an amazing 33%). :o

I haven't looked at any other Oxy box scores - are they always in a pretty strict 7 man rotation like the one Newhall used Saturday?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: mr_rayburn on January 30, 2006, 12:50:43 PM
Of course one play does not make or break a game.  There are 50 other plays in a game that could have gone one way or the other to affect the flow and outcome at the end.  That being said it is unfortunate in a game of this magnitude when there are certain plays that are clearly blown and in retrospect might have caused the game to flow a bit differently.  Pomona has been shooting free-throws TERRIBLY this season.  Had they been able to hit a respectable 70% during this game they would have pulled it out. 

It looks like Pomona has about 3.5 consistent scorers.  David Knowles and Ed Wexler Beron are always going to be threats on the offensive end.  Alex Lloyd has been the third most consistent threat since coming back from early season knee surgery. The other scorer I saw on Saturday was David Brown.  He too is coming back from an early season injury (broken ankle I think) and made some clutch shots during the game.  If all 4 are clicking Pomona should win if only 2 of 4 are on then it'll be a very tough game.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: mr_rayburn on January 30, 2006, 01:41:00 PM
New Question:

I'm curious how many of the posters on this board actually played college basketball and if so at what level (and school). 

I played D3 for Pomona (if you didnt already know that).
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on January 30, 2006, 01:49:03 PM
The officiating NEVER decides the outcome of a game.  The game's outcome is decided by the two teams, and how they play given the environment in which they play.  Officiating is part of that environment.  If it's raining, you run more and pass less.  If the wind is blowing out, your rely more on your sinker to induce ground balls.  If the refs are not calling fouls underneath, you play more aggressively in the paint.  How you deal with the conditions presented goes a long way towards determining whether you win or lose.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: castle on January 30, 2006, 02:22:25 PM
Quote from: mr_rayburn on January 30, 2006, 01:41:00 PM
New Question:

I'm curious how many of the posters on this board actually played college basketball and if so at what level (and school).

I played at CLU...
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OXY Oswald on January 30, 2006, 03:05:21 PM
Quote from: mr_rayburn on January 30, 2006, 01:41:00 PM
New Question:

I'm curious how many of the posters on this board actually played college basketball and if so at what level (and school). 

I played football at Occidental
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on January 30, 2006, 03:09:15 PM
Oswald or Eye of Da Tiger,

A few pages back, someone mentioned bringing "The Drum" or its equivalent to the game in Pomona...and beating it the entire game.  You think either one of you could arrange for that?

I don't know if the refs would have a problem with a drum beating the whole game (or at least when Pomona has the ball), but it would be funnier than any cheer Oxy or Pomona could come up with.

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on January 30, 2006, 03:32:32 PM
Unfortunately, artificial noise makers are a violation of NCAA rules... just ask us Wheaties, who aren't allowed to use sheets of metal, to simulate our mascot, the Thunder.  :'(
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WestCoastWhiner on January 30, 2006, 03:37:08 PM
Whether you played or not doesn't make any difference in defining the quality of your posts.  You either know the game or you don't.  

My Hope JV teams would have a few SCIAC banners.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 30, 2006, 03:54:11 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 30, 2006, 12:25:41 PM
P.S. to PC: I knew about the quote feature. My posting style is habit.

Well, when you do it this way we don't always know who you are quoting or how to find the original post. Quoting the way the software is set up provides both.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: mr_rayburn on January 30, 2006, 05:47:42 PM
Hey WCWhiner - I'm not saying that non-players can't contribute to this chat. I was just curious how many of the talking heads on this board have actually been through a SCIAC season or even a game like the Pomona/Oxy or PP/CMS games. 

Talk away.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: old_hooper on January 30, 2006, 06:28:55 PM
New poll out and Oxy has climbed to #12.  They are now the highest ranked team in the Western Region.  They still have not lost to a DIII school yet.  Next couple weeks will be interesting and if they can win out which I think they have the talent to do, the seedings for tournament may have them in a very intersting position.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: castle on January 30, 2006, 07:02:06 PM
OXY #12, Puget Sound #13...I am a little surprised that OXY jumped over UPS this week...that gap could get wider with UPS playing their next 4 on the road, and OXY getting Cal Tech and LV this week. 

Good chance to see OXY host another tourney game; but their work is not done with the three hardest conf. road games still ahead.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dj_hyphen on January 30, 2006, 07:10:49 PM
i played at Pomona-Pitzer...kinda  :D.   at least i had courtside seats for every game
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OXY Oswald on January 30, 2006, 08:11:29 PM
Quote from: OxyFan21 on January 30, 2006, 03:09:15 PM
Oswald or Eye of Da Tiger,

A few pages back, someone mentioned bringing "The Drum" or its equivalent to the game in Pomona...and beating it the entire game.  You think either one of you could arrange for that?

I don't know if the refs would have a problem with a drum beating the whole game (or at least when Pomona has the ball), but it would be funnier than any cheer Oxy or Pomona could come up with.


I'd love to, but like it was mentioned noise makers are against the rules.  That and those who've had the pleasure of seeing the drum know, sorry P-P players, its really old and fragile.  So beating on it for a basketball game wouldn't be a good idea.

Congrats to the #12 Occidental Tigers!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pomonaalum on January 30, 2006, 09:57:02 PM
It's too bad Pomona's best FB teams in the last 10 years or so occured when they were out of SCIAC for football.  Then admissions standards get tightened in a power struggle with the admin, the team goes back into SCIAC, go figure.

As far as Kat's offense, reminds me a bit of a Big 10 team like Wisconsin or Indiana. A lot of movement, a lot of screening, not a lot of quick shots or individual play.  Depends more on system than individual...When it's clicking, it can be really good, but it can also be really ugly.  He's had some really good wings and some good guards, but not necessarily a dominant big guy.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciacguru on January 31, 2006, 01:57:34 PM
Quote from: pomonaalum on January 30, 2006, 09:57:02 PM
It's too bad Pomona's best FB teams in the last 10 years or so occured when they were out of SCIAC for football.  Then admissions standards get tightened in a power struggle with the admin, the team goes back into SCIAC, go figure.

PP football teams were "good" because they were able to schedule the weakest teams in D3.....Colorado College, UPS, Lewis and Clark, and Oberlin(??)...and not having to worry about a conference schedule.  Masters College experienced this in basketball when they went from independent to the GSAC.  They were able to schedule patsies, then only have to get up for 1 big game every 2 weeks.  Now they dont have time to rest as they have a big game every night.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on January 31, 2006, 04:54:18 PM
Quote from: mr_rayburn on January 30, 2006, 01:41:00 PM
New Question:

I'm curious how many of the posters on this board actually played college basketball and if so at what level (and school). 

For the record, I was a legend at Cal Lu. I think my coed intramural 3 on 3 team won two or three championships  ;D

It is interesting to know who played and where, so thanks for asking.  And while I think it's interesting I tend to agree with WCW.  There are insights unique to having played the game in the SCIAC, but that does not make it an essential requirement for making a valuable contribution to this board.  I do enjoy the comments from those who have recently played in the conference, and I also enjoy the takes of some of the longer term observers as well.  It's a good mix.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pomonaalum on January 31, 2006, 05:01:34 PM
PP also had some very good teams then with Jack Ramirez at QB - my memory is a bit hazy, but a couple of years the team lost only 1 or 2 games - close one to Asuza Pacific one year, Trinity in another.  There were a number of patsies like Colorado College or Oberlin, but also played a lot of the SCIAC teams with blowout wins over CMC, etc.

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: mr_rayburn on January 31, 2006, 06:42:35 PM
Is Oxy's #12 national ranking the highest EVER for a SCIAC team? My SCIAC history is not as strong as it is for some of you. 

I gotta love the press (front page of d3hoops) that this is getting the league, but sad to say if Amherst was not on their schedule and at the time undefeated, Oxy would just barely have broken into the top 25.  Moot point I suppose. I wonder if they'll jump into the top ten after victories over a tough Cal Tech team and a homeless La Verne.  :D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: mr_rayburn on January 31, 2006, 08:35:18 PM
Ok Bob. My point was to say that without beating a solid east coast team, they wouldnt have gotten the resepect that they have and that they deserve. I wasn't knocking them at all, but there have been other very good teams, how about the 2003 Oxy team that went 14-0, that have not risen as quickly or as high as this year's team.  In fact, I'm gonna go ahead and say that 2003's undefeated team would beat this years team.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on January 31, 2006, 09:13:43 PM
Quote from: mr_rayburn on January 31, 2006, 08:35:18 PM
Ok Bob. My point was to say that without beating a solid east coast team, they wouldnt have gotten the resepect that they have and that they deserve. I wasn't knocking them at all, but there have been other very good teams, how about the 2003 Oxy team that went 14-0, that have not risen as quickly or as high as this year's team.  In fact, I'm gonna go ahead and say that 2003's undefeated team would beat this years team.

I think you may be right.  Finn and Song were amazing.  We'll see how this team stacks up in a few more weeks.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on January 31, 2006, 09:29:45 PM
Quote from: mr_rayburn on January 31, 2006, 06:42:35 PM
Is Oxy's #12 national ranking the highest EVER for a SCIAC team? My SCIAC history is not as strong as it is for some of you. 

The short answer is 'YES.'
The D3hoops.com poll has been in existence since the beginning of the 1999-00 season.  In that time, Occidental is the only SCIAC team to be ranked.  The Finn-Song ("I can't seem to forget you/Your Finn-Song stays on my mind" ;D) team of 2002-03 was #14 in the final poll of that season.  The following year, the Tigers reached the bottom of the poll twice in midseason.  This year's Oxy squad has now been ranked in four consecutive polls, and the current ranking of #12 is the high-water mark, both for Oxy and for any California-based D3 team.  Cal Lu, CMS, P-P, and Redlands have received votes (as have Chapman and, once upon a time, UCSD), but none have as yet cracked the top 25.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciacguru on January 31, 2006, 09:45:59 PM
Quote from: mr_rayburn on January 31, 2006, 06:42:35 PM
Is Oxy's #12 national ranking the highest EVER for a SCIAC team? My SCIAC history is not as strong as it is for some of you. 

I believe that CLU's team in 94 or 93 was ranked in the top 10.....and maybe even #1 with a 19 game win streak.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on January 31, 2006, 10:32:36 PM
Quote from: mr_rayburn on January 31, 2006, 08:35:18 PM
Ok Bob. My point was to say that without beating a solid east coast team, they wouldnt have gotten the resepect that they have and that they deserve. I wasn't knocking them at all, but there have been other very good teams, how about the 2003 Oxy team that went 14-0, that have not risen as quickly or as high as this year's team.  In fact, I'm gonna go ahead and say that 2003's undefeated team would beat this years team.

I agree, rayburn.  I think a lot of voters in other regions remain sceptical about SCIAC schools unless they've beaten a traditional power from outside the west coast.  I think it's equally fair to say that Oxy's football win over Concordia in 2004 did much to boost their ranking in 2005.  Not saying the rankings were undeserved, just throwing out a little support for rayburn's "half baked scheme...

I haven't seen this year's Oxy team yet, but they don't seem as dominant as the 2003 version.

David:  Your killing me softly with finn-song ;)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Howlinwolf on February 01, 2006, 01:51:07 AM
2003 Tigers line-up was stronger, I believe, but perhaps not quite as deep as the current squad. For those with good memories, you'll remember that squad didn't necessarily dominate in individual SCIAC games, but they had the gumption to run through the conference undefeated. There were a scad of close games. The win at Redlands was one of the most improbable ever - down by 30, and leading only once, at the game's end.
The difference between '03 and '05 is the dimunition in the quality of the conference. It isn't as strong, top to bottom, as it was three seasons ago.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 01, 2006, 02:57:13 AM
Quote from: mr_rayburn on January 31, 2006, 08:35:18 PM
Ok Bob. My point was to say that without beating a solid east coast team, they wouldnt have gotten the resepect that they have and that they deserve.

If they had beaten a Top 10 team, regardless of where said school was based, it would have done the same.

What you guys probably don't realize is that there is very little support for Amherst as a Top 5 team. There were multiple voters with Amherst in the teens. If this were two years ago and Amherst had gotten off to that start, they'd probably have been No. 2, getting five or six first-place votes. But Top 5 status notwithstanding, most were not sold on Amherst. That's why they dropped so many slots despite losing a tight game on the floor of a quality opponent 3,000 miles away.

Occidental, to that time, had beaten whom exactly? La Sierra twice, Pacific Union twice. Lost to Azusa Pacific, but that only proved they were not as good as APU (no surprise there).

Beating Whitworth alone would have gotten Occidental on the road to the Top 25.  Beating Amherst made it happen, but so would have beating Puget Sound, or even Trinity (Texas).
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on February 01, 2006, 09:19:30 AM
Since I don't think Oxy will be playing Trinity (TX) or UPS any time soon, we'll have to take what we can get in terms of our home wins against a slightly overrrated (at that time) Amherst and Whitworth.

All is moot if Oxy wins out in Round 2 of SCIAC play, which I think they are definitely capable of.  Road games at CMS and PP back to back towards the end of the season will have a great deal of importance as to who represents our league.  Perhaps PP, CMS and Cal Lu will beat up on eachother before that time.

X marks the spot on our backs.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WestCoastWhiner on February 01, 2006, 12:44:02 PM
Folks are jumping the gun here.  Oxy hasn't won ANYTHING yet.  We are all grateful for the well-deserved (from the Left Coast at least) national recognition.  I'm glad the Oxy fans are jumping on the board.  But keep in mind that Claremont & Pomona both are eagerly awaiting rematches at their place.  In the latter look for 25 points from Knowles &  19 from Lloyd.  PP will get CMS back for the whipping across the street and then be in a position to beat Oxy to possibly force a playoff.  That assumes Oxy can beat all of the Big 3 on the road.  History would seem to argue that they won't be even to win any of them, let alone all 3.  And that my friends, would mean what I have been saying all along, look for Kats to hang another banner.

Oxy did what it was supposed to: beat Redlands on the road, beat Whittier, beat LV, then hold down the home court against the Big 3.   Now comes their opportunity to show that they actually deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as the '03 Oxy squad.  But anyone at the PP or CMS games will tell you that they need to put in some work before that happens.  I'm on the Betty bandwagon and he can get them there.  But he'll have to do it by getting 12 boards, 5 assists, 3 blocked shots & 12 points, not 25 points.  Those teams are both too afraid & smart to play him straight up.  Scoring 25 against double teams will play right into their hands. 

Sometimes its tough to be in the driver's seat. 



 

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on February 01, 2006, 03:05:22 PM
You crack me up, Bob.  Either you've got me pegged as a straight up Oxy hater (which I'm not - but I could be in denial) or you just have an excess of anti-Cal Lu venom you need to get out of your system and I provide you the opportunities to do so...

You're right - I'll have a better idea regarding the quality of this year's Oxy team after they come to Thousand Oaks.  But for now I'll stick to my opinion that a team that holds on for two close wins at home against CMS and PP is not quite as strong as the Oxy team I recall from 2003 that handled everybody in the conference (both home and away), including a CLU team that was much stronger and more experienced than this year's version.  I may well be wrong, I'd love it if this year's Oxy team proved to be better than the 2003 team and went deeper into the post season.  I just think it's still open for debate.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciacguru on February 01, 2006, 03:24:58 PM
Wow OxyBob......
Someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed....or didnt get any last night....RELAX!!!!!!!!!!!

Scandi is one of the most supportive SCIAC posters, who just so happens to have ties to CLU, and he certainly doesnt ridicule any SCIAC team like you have done.

Heaven forbid, if he were to say that he doesnt think this year's team is as talented as a team that went to the Elite 8.  If you are to bash someone bash the voters who still have Amherst ranked higher than the tigers.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WestCoastWhiner on February 01, 2006, 06:24:40 PM
OxyBob just blew a fuse.  He'll be good.  Hoovian & OxyB are SCIAC fans at the end of the day. 

But let me bring you folks down to earth.  Having watched my boys at Hope play this year & Oxy/PP, there is still a big talent gap between the SCIAC & the elite in DIII.  Look at the background of most of the players at Hope and even the hated Calvin.  These schools are going after all-state & all region players.  I like some of the talent in the SCIAC but top to bottom there really isn't much of a comparison.  Take a look at Hope's gym and tell me where you would go if you got a letter from a SCIAC school.  And that doesn't even touch W S-P, who even in a down year may be able to field a team with their 10-15 folks who could compete at the top of the SCIAC. 

From what I can tell Alexander, Zach Miller from CLU, Slade from PP and Gipson from WC are the 4 best freshmen in SCIAC.  Nothing against them, but in other leagues these guys would either not get minutes or be on JV.  I loved what Alexander &  McBride did to the over-hyped guard at Amherst and they definitely can D, dribble & pass, but to be Salem-type players they need a year or two of making 100 3s a day.   

I'm not sure how the SCIAC can bridge the gap.  I think that it always has a handful of guys who would do well in even the best DIII conferences.  But it isn't getting out of the cellar until the talent discrepancy is addressed.   

OxyB, this year's Oxy team has had a great year.  We are all fans.  But before you put them in the Song, Finn, Keheo-something camp, let's see what they can do on the road.  Those fools were straight ballers. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dj_hyphen on February 01, 2006, 07:36:21 PM
Quote from: scandihoovian on February 01, 2006, 03:05:22 PM
I'll stick to my opinion that a team that holds on for two close wins at home against CMS and PP is not quite as strong as the Oxy team I recall from 2003 that handled everybody in the conference (both home and away)

not that it really matters, but if i remember correctly, that undefeated Oxy team won those two PP games by a combined 3 points.  I might be off on that, but they were definitely very close games...so this year's team winning close ones vs. CMS and PP isn't really that much different than the path the '03 team took
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 01, 2006, 09:21:49 PM
I'm pretty sure Wooster has a 100% graduation rate, and they send a fair amount of their players to graduate school.  (The highest GPA in last year's graduating class belonged to our starting center, a math major, and the point guard is going to finish in the top half-dozen or so this year.)  And no Wooster player has ever gone to the NBA as anything other than a spectator.  And we have delusions of D3 grandeur. 

Bob, I think what you quote Coach Newhall as saying is true for a great many D3 programs, including many who compete for the national title.  Running an academics-first program is not an institutional barrier to success.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 01, 2006, 10:06:57 PM
Well said, David.

I can't confirm that IWU has a 100% graduation rate, but I am sure it is awfully close to that if it isn't!  Likewise, we don't send players to the NBA (except Jack Sikma, before we joined d3!), though like Wooster, I'm sure, we HAVE had players continue bball careers in Europe or elsewhere.  But we send FAR more players to grad school than to any professional league.  (AND, of course, playing professionally does not rule out grad school (or law school, med school, etc.) after the career is over.)

But your point was that academic excellence and bball success are NOT mutually exclusive (especially at the d3 level), and in that you are absolutely correct.  Using high academic standards as an excuse for failure to compete athletially is a cop-out.  (Not that anyone was doing that directly, but several posts seemed to hint at it.)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pomonaalum on February 01, 2006, 11:15:18 PM
It would be interesting to see the academic profile of hoops players in the SCIAC, NESCAC, UAA and some of the other conferences.  Like has been mentioned here before, I think some of the Midwestern schools with good academics may have some inherent advantages over the SCIAC schools in keeping good players/good students close to home.  Then you have the likes of Emory, Wash U, etc - with a lot of $$$ and a large enrollment...
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Skander on February 01, 2006, 11:19:44 PM
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Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OXY Oswald on February 02, 2006, 12:42:01 AM
Final from Pasadena:

Oxy 80
Cal Tech 66

An unfortunately close game against the Beavers, but Oxy's lead was never in danger.  I might have a biased view, but I thought the officiating was terrible.  Either way, a win is a win.

Home game vs. La Verne for the Tigers on Saturday.

Go Tigers!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: castle on February 02, 2006, 01:10:22 AM
It seems like Cal Tech is actually getting better.  They have played the top 4 conf. teams somewhat tough at home this year; losing by avergae of 13pts.  What happened to the 30-40 blowouts each night?  Maybe it is just that the players have a hard time to get up for a game against the beavers.  Whatever it is teams better beware becuse the techies will win a game sometime, I am just not sure when.  Maybe when LV and Whit go to CT on the last week of the season?  Doubtful.

CMS beat CLU by 10. :(

Also, #6 and #11 go down in close games tonight.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: K.C. on February 02, 2006, 04:43:21 AM
I also went to the game out at Thousand Oaks.  Tough choice between that game and PP/Redlands, but I decided to make the long haul in hopes that it would be a more competitive game than it actually was.  I also wanted to see a game in that gym one more time, since apparantly it's being replaced after this season.  Taylor was money as usual - CalLu had no answer for him.  For whatever reason the student section was all over Miles from the opening tip, which did not do the Kingsmen any favors.  The game actually was not as close as the score indicated, IMO.  Had Borengasser been able to make his lay-ups, it would have been closer to twenty.  He seems to psyche himself out occasionally.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pomonaalum on February 02, 2006, 11:36:07 AM
Pomona over Redlands 118-87.  Doesn't look like Wexler-Baron played.  Pomona didn't attempt a 3 all game.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: castle on February 02, 2006, 11:59:45 AM
PP hits over 74% from the field; needless to say I don't think the Redlands system is working.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: mr_rayburn on February 02, 2006, 01:18:20 PM
I'll start it here...Jordan Carlson (Cal Tech) for 1st Team!

15 pts. against P-P
24 pts. against CMS
21 pts. against La Verne
29 pts. against Oxy

The last person I remember getting on any level of All League from Cal Tech was Jonathan Bird who I believe was 2nd Team a few years ago.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on February 02, 2006, 01:22:18 PM
I only caught the last 10 minutes of the CLU-CMS game (it was tied when I got there but CMS quickly started to pull away), and the one thing I would add to Bob and KC's astute observations is that CMS' size and quickness on the perimeter made things very tough for the Cal Lu guards down the stretch.  I was very impressed with the Stags defensive intensity.  The kinds of offensive opportunities the Kingsmen took advantage of in wins over LaVerne and Whittier were non-existent down the stretch.

The refs really let them play on both ends, so the style of play was fairly physical.  I'm curious, was this also the case in either of Oxy's games w/ CMS or PP?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on February 02, 2006, 01:24:09 PM
I think one of the Oxy women a few years ago was named MVP, even though her team was in last place.  This kind of thing would never happen in D1.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WestCoastWhiner on February 02, 2006, 03:16:58 PM
Amen Ypsi & Collinge.  The SCIAC Admins all fake the funk, trying to hide behind a commitment to academics as an excuse for athletic apathy and nominal/token support for athletics.  That position is offensive to every other NCAA DIII institution.  Furthermore, it is just plain wrong.  To compete nationally the SCIAC doesn't need to throw away admissions standards or screw up their budgets.  Balancing budgets is always difficult, and with limited resources difficult decisions have to be made.  I think every SCIAC Administration is being short-sighted and missing the value proposition of athletics. 

Look at the great ink the Oxy football team got this year in LA.  For an institution clinging to being a 1st tier U.S. News & WR school, having the LA Times run a feature on it, while referencing its 'elite' academics & special atmosphere, is worth more than any $250k marketing campaign their Admin could spend.   It was great for potential students, alums, had to make faculty & existing students feel pride, and undoubtedly boosted the school's profile.  In 2003 the Oxy men's team brought similar high profile positive press for Occidental. 

From hearsay I've calculated that outside of PP, every SCIAC school spends between $50-$100k less than Amhert, Williams & Wooster, not to mention Wash U and their conference counterparts.  I'm not talking about public schools, just private liberal arts institutions.  I don't think that comparison would be fair. 

Finding that money isn't impossible at any SCIAC institution.  If you are too afraid of the internal political implications of simply re-directing funds to athletics then direct some heavyweight fundraising efforts to athletics.  Other schools find the money and not everyone who does has an endowment like Amherst or Williams. 

My view is that those SCIAC schools that want to continue to pay for a head coach and give peanuts outside of that to their programs should seriously consider moving to the club sport level.  Otherwise the SCIAC will always present to the nation second-rate athletic programs.   And second-rate anything at institutions striving for excellence should be unaccepted.   Oxy, CMS, PP, CLU, Whittier, they all seem to treat athletics like something that allows them to check a box in the balance of power game.  "Well, we compete in the NCAA."  If they take that approach to athletics it is easy to understand why SCIAC institutions are slipping in national rankings.  Such strategic short-sightedness & indifference to third tier perceptions can't be isolated to only athletics.     

And let me preempt anyone who would throw out Oxy's football & basketball success as a response.  Sources tell me that each of those teams has great coaches who have found creative ways to do more with less.   I'd be willing to bet good money that out of the top 25 teams right now, all of them but maybe 1 have bigger basketball budgets than Oxy.   Same goes for Oxy's football program.  I have to believe that Oxy's football budget fell somewhere in the bottom half of the schools in the final top 25 pool. 








Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WestCoastWhiner on February 02, 2006, 04:19:26 PM
OxyB, your comment suggests that you buy the line that a liberal arts school has to lower its standards to compete nationally.  That excuse is nothing more than a subterfuge for deeper institutional issues.  Nobody else in DIII accepts it and you shouldn't either.  Williams, Wooster & Amherst are all higher ranked than Oxy and have a commitment to elite athletic programs.   Pomona should be embarrassed that it hasn't had a trip to Salem.  CMS should be committed to rising up the basketball chain as fast as their school did up the national rankings in the past 20 years.  Redlands & Whittier should realize what a great differentiator having national-level athletic teams would give them.  CLU should use the momentum of the new facilities to create THE west coast athletic powerhouse.  La Verne should stack the deck and then try to run the table like Stewart tried.  And CT, they should host the best intramural tournament in the country. 

 


Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pomonaalum on February 02, 2006, 04:24:01 PM
I'll put forth a few things on the academics "vs" sports issue at hand.

1)  The NESCAC schools are obviously located in New England, an area that is sports-mad.  Quite a few of those schools have built strong sports traditions.  My guess is that the average student at a Williams or Amherst is more of a "sports fan" than the average student at a Pomona or Oxy.  Having visited both Williams or Amherst, they were more traditional almost prep-school like...and indeed, New England and the Mid-Atlantic has a large share of prep schools that probably send a lot of their kids to the "Little Ivies."  These prep schools, like Groton, Exeter, Andover, Lawrenceville, Peddie etc are great academically - but, they also stake a lot of their repuation on their sports prowess.  If nothing else, their alumni demand it.  So, in a sense, the NESCAC schools athletic programs may be an extension of this prep school mentality.

2)  The SCIAC schools suffer from being in a terrible area for sports - both collegiately and professionally.  There is too much else going on.  My experience at Pomona was that a large number of local students would head home for the weekends, while others would head to San Diego, Vegas, Joshua Tree, etc.  There are very few other small, liberal arts colleges in major metropolitan areas.  Swarthmore and Haverford come to mind as exceptions, and their sports programs are nothing to write home about.

This is not to say that it's the way it should be, just my perspective.  It always amazed and dissapointed me that the library could be more crowded than the gym on the night of a big game, but it's the truth.  It's not something that can be changed overnight, and it's a bit of a chicken-egg kind of thing in terms of attracting high caliber student athletes.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on February 02, 2006, 04:39:53 PM
Redlands basketball has had many good athletes in the program over the years, the problem is the coach. Gary Smith is a good guy and very knowledgable in the game of basketball. But he should have handed off the program fifteen years ago. I am confident that bringing in a new coach and a traditional basketball system would do wonders for Redlands basketball. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on February 02, 2006, 05:17:42 PM
WestCoastWhiner:

The east coast schools you reference have vastly bigger endowments.  Oxy's annual giving is only now reaching the same level as Claremont and Pomona for the same reasons that athletics faltered in the 90s . . . no financial support . . . if you don't invest in your alumni, the alumni won't invest in you.

At any rate, perhaps you've forgotten, or never knew, that Oxy put a million dollars last year into a new football field and and press box.  Oxy just broke ground on a new dorm.  The next big athletic expenditure will be a new pool and hopefully a student fitness center.  There are lots of areas at Oxy that require investment, not just athletics.

Athletics gets its due at Oxy, and has since Slaughter left.  But its "due" is in proportion to the resources available in an in light of all of the competing interests and constituencies of a small, liberal arts college.

If you want to have a gym named "WestCoastWhiner" and have a few million bucks laying around, I can put in in touch with the right people.

And to a different query from a different poster, no, I didn't play basketball . . . football and rugby were my college sports.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WestCoastWhiner on February 02, 2006, 06:38:12 PM
SaberApologist, the moves you mention by Oxy seem to be mandated balance of power moves that were a decade coming.  Oxy's field was no longer in the top half of the conference.  Its weight room is still in the bottom tier.  I have no doubt that the track is fine because the school would be crazy to ignore  historically how a quality track gets them 'fringe' benefits by being so close to downtown (ala Olympics use).  Without those moves Oxy would have worse fields than Pomona, soon to be Cal Lu, CMS & arguably Whittier.  Tough stuff to accept for the SCIAC's historical football heavyweight.  Pitzer & Scripps might start to rival you pretty soon, and all they have are some grassy fields.   Oxy's pool & gym are falling apart.  Your weight room is still rumored to be as good as La Verne's.  Student fitness center?  Welcome to something other schools grasped in the 90s.  I'd guarantee that something that seemingly insigificant has tipped the balance in favor of some other school for some applicants. 

I'm glad Oxy is starting to invest in its people & facilities.  But hurry up because you have an elite-level basketball coaching staff, good momentum in two big sports & your alums are coming out of the woodwork - an indication that people care.  Your window won't be open forever. 

And Wooster has a bigger endowment than Oxy?  Shocking.  What the heck have you guys been investing in?  Beach front real-estate in Arizona?  Back in OxyBob's day Oxy used to have a nice endowment. 

But I'm not arguing for new facilities.  Too big of a leap.  Plus, PomonaAlum brings up some great points, no SCIAC school will ever support a facility like Hope has.  But how about Oxy and other SCIAC schools at least find $25k in the annual budgets for their basketball programs.       

      

     
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on February 02, 2006, 06:49:26 PM
To my mind, there are lots of reasons why SCIAC teams don't compete on a national level in football and basketball, and most of those have been expressed on these pages.

1.  There is virtually no coverage in the mainstream media.  I suspect that Linfield's and Whitworth's exploits at least get an article in the Portland and Spokane papers whereas here it only happens if the team never loses or never wins.  There is also no radio coverage of any teams other than UOR football (though CLU and Oxy do internet broadcasts  ;D).  I don't think this is anyone's "fault" as there are dozens of sporting events on a given weekend night in LA that have crowds of 300 or so.  (That said, the the SID's could do a better job of getting the word out.)

2.  There is a great deal of competition for the athlete here that is not quite good enough to play at the D-I level.  For football, there are about 30-40 Jucos around, and scholarships offered from APU.  For hoops, there are about 6-8 D-II schools around, 8 NAIA schools (that's 80 scholarships for non-DI players just in NAIA).

3.  The lack of coverage and location in a major metropolis also contributes to an apathy among students and administration that leads to a lack of an expectation of excellence in athletics which causes programs to "settle."

4.  Last, I'm not sure anyone outside of this board really cares about national recognition on the DIII level.   Most of the fans at the game and the less than ardent supporters don't get bent out of shape if their team doesn't compete at a high level.  Does anyone at Pomona, other than a few people, care that Kats has flamed out of most of the tournaments he's been in? 

In short, I think "commitment to athletics" is way down the list of culprits as to why the SCIAC doesn't compete nationally.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Roop on February 02, 2006, 07:02:56 PM
Ahhhhhhhh. There speaks my close personal friend OxyBob. You knew I'd have to "give it back" at some point.

Did "your day" involve a loss in the 1980 Regionals to a team from the midwest by chance ??
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on February 02, 2006, 07:56:19 PM
'SaberApologist?"

Geez, I thought that providing accurate information was something of use to folks who wish to banter . . . at least so that people can offer offer informed comment.

OxyBob . . . are you old enough to remember coach Lefler?

sabretooth
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sagecock on February 03, 2006, 12:54:29 AM
Quote from: WestCoastWhiner on February 02, 2006, 04:19:26 PM
OxyB, your comment suggests that you buy the line that a liberal arts school has to lower its standards to compete nationally.  That excuse is nothing more than a subterfuge for deeper institutional issues.  Nobody else in DIII accepts it and you shouldn't either.  Williams, Wooster & Amherst are all higher ranked than Oxy and have a commitment to elite athletic programs.

I don't think you can dismiss the notion of standards entirely fromt eh picture however.  While there certainly are elite academic institutions that also have elite level athletic programs, there are only a limited number of athletes who can meet those standards.  Amherst and Williams do an excellent job of attracting many of those athletes, however, they have some advantages over SCIAC schools such as slots.  If you can guarentee a kid he's going to be admitted a week before that kid will hear from a SCIAC school it makes for a pretty tough decision.

I will admit there is a fundemental lack of committment to athletics at many of the SCIAC schools, however, I honestly the academic component plays a far greater role then you're giving it credit for.  Anecdotal evidence: Colin McNeil and Derek Turbin's first choice?  Pomona.  Did either one of them get in?  No.  Academics make a difference, to claim otherwise is ignoring the evidence.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WestCoastWhiner on February 03, 2006, 02:51:04 AM
Sage, does it feel good being in the female canine seat to Amherst & Williams?  Or, do you take the approach like Bowdoin & Swarthmore that what happens in athletics is insignificant?  I know that you wouldn't be posting here if the complete whipping that Amherst laid on the Hens at Oxy didn't sting.  Win a banner this year and you'll still ask Katz this summer, "Coach, congrats on another great year.  But what HAPPENED against Amherst???"  Let your feelings known that when in Rome, we have to act like Romans, not Beavers.  There is no nobility in spankings. 

Pomona's problem is that you have been blessed with too good of a coach.  His SCIAC success has lulled an already apathetic administration into believing that their system works and is fine.  No need for slots.  A couple of Admission wins now and then at Pomona, a couple here and there at Pitzer, and Kats is reloading with some banners.   

I think Pomona will eventually be forced to rethink its approach to this issue.  It won't be another perra feminino slap to Amherst, Williams, or some other top 10 competitor.  I think the change will be forced by some other SCIAC school deciding to really invest in their program.  Oxy keeps knocking on the door.  CMS has some ballers too.  One of those Admins is going to jump on the bandwagon.  Let Oxy or CMS have some real success in the Tourney, get great press about being elite liberal arts schools with serious students and student-athletes who are amongst the best in the country, and folks who never cared at Pomona will start to care. 

         
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on February 03, 2006, 09:22:12 AM
I believe that Oxy is already beginning to get that "good" press by way of its football and basketball teams.  Though Oxy may not be on the academic level of Pomona, I don't think the school makes any apologies for who and what it is. 

It will always be difficult for small liberal arts colleges on the west coast to compete with the east coast/new england schools.  I believe that my brother (PomonaAlum) and I are the ONLY students ever to leave our prep school in Maryland and head west.

I have several friends who work in CA high schools and they seem to think that the trend is for top-notch west coast kids who want the liberal arts experience to head east to schools like Williams, Amherst, Bates, Bowdoin, etc.   

Being here in St. Louis now, it makes me wonder how a school like Wash U competes for those same students.  The campus here definitely has a distinct east coast vibe with a lot of NY/NJ kids.  Athletically at least, I have to believe that Wash U gets a few "slots", no?

A side note...Apparently, a new wireless scoreboard and shot clock system was approved by President Chan and will be installed shortly.  One step at a time.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pomonaalum on February 03, 2006, 09:41:42 AM
I read somewhere that Pomona was about the embark on a renovation of the Rains Center.  Not sure what it all entails.  To me, a nice facility, but on the sterile, institutional side.

I do know that it's a constant tug-of-war on between admissions and the athletic department to get kids into school.  Part of the problem at Pomona is the "success" of the school in terms of applicants, test scores, etc - and to be sure, it's a great institution.  However, this success on the surface may limit the institutional appetite for changing the formula to include a higher profile athletic program.  As long as the students and alumni are happy with the academics, there will be little push for change.

In terms of endowment, Pomona really lags its peer schools - there's really a lack of ability to "think big."  On the other end, Wash U recently embarked on a $1.5 billion fundraising campaign, which they completed early and went over the goal easily.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on February 03, 2006, 11:56:35 AM
Whiner has been plugging Hope's new facility so I went to their website to take a look.  Here's a link to a great panoramic picture from opening night:

http://www.hope.edu/pr/athletics/announce8.html

It takes a while to fully load - but it's worth the wait.
There's some other good pictures in a "dedication photo gallery" as well.

FWIW the new Cal Lu facility will have a similar feel.  I don't think there's going to be seating behind the baskets - which would be fun - but the practice gym is in an entirely different room which eliminates the need for the huge curtain.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 03, 2006, 12:31:56 PM
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hope.edu%2Fimg%2Ffieldhouse%2F05ddevosconstruct145.jpg&hash=d1a934c96f39212bbf00b06760cef80c404fa8f5)

I mean, who wouldn't be jealous of such a fine facility?  :D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dj_hyphen on February 03, 2006, 05:03:22 PM
Quote from: scandihoovian on February 03, 2006, 11:56:35 AM
Whiner has been plugging Hope's new facility so I went to their website to take a look.  Here's a link to a great panoramic picture from opening night:

http://www.hope.edu/pr/athletics/announce8.html

It takes a while to fully load - but it's worth the wait.
There's some other good pictures in a "dedication photo gallery" as well.

FWIW the new Cal Lu facility will have a similar feel.  I don't think there's going to be seating behind the baskets - which would be fun - but the practice gym is in an entirely different room which eliminates the need for the huge curtain.

WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT....that is dope as ****!  First off, tight picture...the 360 was great.  Secondly, look at the fan support...the only thing I've seen close to that in SCIAC is CMS/PP.  Third, that facility just looks great.  Some Oxy fan should get on the photoshop job and change all the "Hope"s to "Oxy"s and email it to the administration.  That's what they should strive for
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on February 03, 2006, 05:32:59 PM
I agree, hyphen, the fan support is awesome.  Great student turnout and a lot of multi-generational community support.

After further exploring the Hope website I need to make a couple of corrections to me previous post.  Apparently Hope can seat upwards of 3,000 for basketball, so the sideline seating at the Cal Lu gym (my understanding is capacity will run about 2,000) will have fewer rows in addition to the aforementioned lack of seating behind the baskets.  Also the facility behind the curtain at Hope is not a practice gym but instead a somewhat dedicated volleyball venue.  I say somewhat because it likes like they can set up hoops there as well if needed.

I wonder what they're cooking up at Calvin?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on February 03, 2006, 07:14:11 PM
That is a pretty sweet picture.  DJ, you're right about photoshop, but what if we just sent the picture in as it is...wouldn't that make any administration drool over what could be?

I was looking for some people of color in the picture  ???
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WestCoastWhiner on February 03, 2006, 08:07:18 PM
Funny thread here: http://d3hoops.com/dailydose/?p=121 about overworked SIDs.  I have one thing to say to all of those SIDs, "Guys, send your resumes in to the SCIAC."  You will make less, but your 50 hour workweeks will be things of the past.  Try 5 hour work weeks.  And demanding bosses, productivity, attention to detail, fughit aBout it.  Just show up when you want.  Go to the pool, catch some rays, read a good book, relax a bit. 

 



Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: K.C. on February 04, 2006, 10:10:29 AM
Quote from: mr_rayburn on February 02, 2006, 01:18:20 PM
I'll start it here...Jordan Carlson (Cal Tech) for 1st Team!

15 pts. against P-P
24 pts. against CMS
21 pts. against La Verne
29 pts. against Oxy

The last person I remember getting on any level of All League from Cal Tech was Jonathan Bird who I believe was 2nd Team a few years ago.


I'd have to agree.  Any other opinions on mid-season all-conference teams? I think mine would be as follows:

Player of the (1/2)Year:  Sam Betty, OXY

1st Team:
Miles Taylor, CMS
John Parsons, CMS
David Knowles, PP
Ed Wexler-Baron, PP
Aaron Gibson, WC
Jordan Carlson, CTU

2nd Team:
Zach Phillips, OXY
Connor Whitman, OXY
Manny Maceira, CMS
Alex Lloyd, PP
Chad Acerboni, CLU
Amir Mazarei, UR

MVP would be Taylor if CMS had beaten Oxy.  Noticeably missing is Greenlee from La Verne - he's been having a down year.  Hopefully he can pick it up in the second half.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: K.C. on February 04, 2006, 10:25:17 AM
My bad on last post. I keep wanting to call  Marcus Gibson "Aaron" (looks like someone I know).  Maybe first team a little much - he definitely looks like best freshman player I've seen in the SCIAC for a while, though.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 04, 2006, 11:39:15 AM
Quote from: pomonaalum on February 02, 2006, 04:24:01 PMThere are very few other small, liberal arts colleges in major metropolitan areas.  Swarthmore and Haverford come to mind as exceptions, and their sports programs are nothing to write home about.

There are a lot more of them than you think in D3. New York City has dozens of D3 schools within an hour's drive of the city limits, and an entire league based within it. Boston, likewise, has D3 schools thick on the ground. Cleveland, Washington, Philly, Baltimore ... you name it, they all have small liberal arts colleges. St. Louis has an entire D3 league named after it, with about half the schools in the metro area proper and the other half out in the southern Illinois cornfields not too far away. The Twin Cities are home to over half of the MIAC schools. Chicago has about a dozen D3 schools either in the city proper or in the suburbs, and the only one of them that isn't a small liberal arts college is the University of Chicago.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 04, 2006, 11:58:06 AM
Quote from: tigersports on February 02, 2006, 06:49:26 PM
To my mind, there are lots of reasons why SCIAC teams don't compete on a national level in football and basketball, and most of those have been expressed on these pages.

1.  There is virtually no coverage in the mainstream media. 

That excuse doesn't fly, because virtually no D3 schools get mainstream media support -- unless you're talking about the media in rural areas or in small cities. Some schools in the latter environment get nice, regular coverage in their local papers, often with a specific beat reporter dedicated to them (Wooster, Hope, and Illinois Wesleyan all come to mind, because their supporters on Posting Up often link to the stories in those papers, but I'm sure that there are others). But if you're under the impression that a major metropolitan daily or a big-market TV station outside of SoCal covers a D3 school or schools regularly, think again. Chicagoland-based schools are lucky just to get their line scores printed in the agate in the Chicago Tribune or Chicago Sun-Times, and I can count on one hand all of the sports features focusing on a D3 school that have appeared on an evening newscast here in the Windy City -- and I was around for three of North Park's five national championships.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 04, 2006, 12:13:23 PM
Quote from: scandihoovian on February 03, 2006, 05:32:59 PMI wonder what they're cooking up at Calvin?

Calvin has no need to keep up with the Van Joneses as far as competing with Hope's new facility is concerned. The Knights play in a beautiful 4,500-seat fieldhouse right there on the Calvin campus. In fact, it was the site of the D3 men's basketball Final Four for a bunch of years back in the eighties and early nineties.

Quote from: OxyFan21 on February 03, 2006, 07:14:11 PMI was looking for some people of color in the picture  ???

The lack of black players and/or students in some MIAA schools has been a chronic source of discussion in that conference's Posting Up room over the years. As far as fans go, however, there isn't exactly a substantial number of African-Americans in western Michigan outside of Benton Harbor from which Hope could draw fan support. Holland, MI, where Hope is located, is only 2.5% black, according to the last U.S. census. The local minority, as in a lot of small midwestern cities, consists of recent Hispanic immigrants who work in local factories or do unskilled labor. They make up between a fifth and a quarter of Holland's population -- and I doubt that a lot of them are much inclined to be big Hope men's basketball fans.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: castle on February 04, 2006, 06:11:18 PM
Great stuff Sager; you really know your hoops!

The top three SCIAC teams should walk away with W tonight; PP has the toughest game @Whittier.

Nationall tonight:  #1 vs. #2; #4 vs. #6.  I'm sure that the Hope facility will be rocking tonight.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on February 04, 2006, 06:55:15 PM
Thanks Sager - maybe I didn't look hard enough but I had a hard time finding info on the Calvin facility on their website.

I'm looking forward to watching the ever improving Beavers tonight at Cal Lu - I'd love for them to break the streak, just not against the Kingsmen  :)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on February 04, 2006, 07:41:53 PM
Good points, Sager, especially since I sacrificed explanation for brevity.  If you're in a major (i.e., top4-6) metro area, you will get no coverage.  However, if you are in a smaller, though still major market (i.e., one or more pro teams, like Portland), you will get at least some mention on page 5.  Cal Lu and Redlands are outliers in this league and they get some coverage and it might not be a coincidence that they are league powers in football.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on February 04, 2006, 07:43:47 PM
Don't forget to listen tonight to oxybroadcast.com.  Hopefully, my computer cooperates  :-[
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pomonaalum on February 04, 2006, 10:10:29 PM
SCIAC schools are basically small, liberal arts schools.  All D3 schools don't necessarily fit that bill....

Baltimore has Goucher, what else - maybe Villa Julie?  Hopkins is not a small, liberal arts school.

As for St. Louis, Wash U is about as far from a small liberal school as there is.  There's Webster, McKendree and a couple others, but nothing much of note.  So, there's UChicago, but again, a bit research university.  Same with Emory, Carnegie Mellon, Rochester, etc...in the UAA.

Bates, Bowdoin, Colby, Williams are all in small towns.   Tufts isn't a small, liberal arts school.

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 04, 2006, 10:29:54 PM
Small liberal arts schools in major metropolitan areas, just off the top of my head.

Cleveland: Oberlin, Baldwin-Wallace, John Carroll
Chicago: North Park, Elmhurst, North Central, Wheaton, Aurora
Atlanta: Oglethorpe
St. Louis: Webster, Fontbonne
Memphis: Rhodes
Columbus: Capital, Otterbein, Ohio Wesleyan

There's plenty more...
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Stag4Life on February 05, 2006, 01:14:54 AM
CMS defeats Redlands 128-70.  Redlands' lowest offensive output in at least 5 years(longest I could check back).  Mani Maciera led the Stags with 30 points and dunked on a Redlands player so hard and high that he actually looked like Tracy McGrady out there, it was unbelievable.  Miles Taylor also contributed with 15 points, 15 rebounds, and 13 assists, can u say MVP? 

Occi was upset by La Verne at home tonight so the Stags and Occi are now tied in first place, should make for a very interesting final six games in the SCIAC.

GO Stags!

-- Stag4Life
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on February 05, 2006, 01:51:19 AM
An interesting score out of Eagle Rock.  Just by listening, it appears the Laverne shot the ball extremely well. 

This tightens things up considerably in the league.  Now, does Oxy drop out of the Top 25?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 05, 2006, 09:05:13 AM
Nah. It usually takes two bad losses in a week for a team to drop as many as 10 spots, let alone the 14 it would take for Oxy to drop all the way out.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: K.C. on February 05, 2006, 10:24:41 AM
Wow, that La Verne-Oxy score is definitely a surprise.  I went to Whittier  thinking that would be the only competitive game on the schedule.  It was a great game, played in front of a VERY small crowd.  There were probably less than 75 people in the stands.  Pomona could have put the game away in regulation, but poor free-throw shooting by Hollo and Lloyd kept the Poets in it.  Whittier's guards also came up with some clutch 3's when they really needed them.  Lloyd carried Pomona for most of the night - Wexler Baron wasn't a factor and didn't seem to get many touches in regulation.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on February 05, 2006, 12:17:29 PM
Quote from: Stag4Life on February 05, 2006, 01:14:54 AM
CMS defeats Redlands 128-70.  Redlands' lowest offensive output in at least 5 years(longest I could check back).  Mani Maciera led the Stags with 30 points and dunked on a Redlands player so hard and high that he actually looked like Tracy McGrady out there, it was unbelievable.  Miles Taylor also contributed with 15 points, 15 rebounds, and 13 assists, can u say MVP? 

Occi was upset by La Verne at home tonight so the Stags and Occi are now tied in first place, should make for a very interesting final six games in the SCIAC.

GO Stags!

-- Stag4Life

Welcome to the board!  It's nice to have a CMS poster in the room...

I'm not surprised that CMS held the Bulldogs to such a low total, as I mentioned previously they looked very tough defensively against the Kingsmen.

I am very surprised that LaVerne beat Oxy in Eagle Rock.  Maybe the Leos just had a real tough shooting night in Thousand Oaks, but they appeared to be having some serious offensive problems against the Kingsmen.  It's not a done deal but Oxy's loss seems to put CMS in the driver's seat - they hold home court against the Tigers and even a loss to PP at the Rains center leaves them in a tie for the title.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OXY Oswald on February 05, 2006, 01:59:25 PM
The Oxy-La Verne game was a surprise to a lot of us, La Verne shot the ball extremely well.  Knocking down big shot after big shot. 

The Tigers will have to regroup and run through the teams they play for the remainder of their schedule.  I still don't think we've seen this Oxy team playing at it's full potential.

Go Tigers!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Stags4Life on February 05, 2006, 04:30:16 PM
With Pomona losing at Whittier, it looks like they are pretty much out of the race.  The Oxy-CMS game should determine the champion but it looks like Pomona could still affect the outcome with home games against both teams.  Also, many spoilers remain that could throw the whole SCIAC for a loop as Whittier and La Verne did last night. 

Does anyone have any more info about the two upsets and how they happened, perhaps some box scores.  Here is the CMS-Redlands Box Score if anyone was interested: http://cms.claremont.edu/team/men%27sbasketball/05-06/UR-CMS.HTM

Also, did anyone else see the dunk that Mani Maceira had last night, I think it was by far the play of the year in the SCIAC.

-- Stags4Life
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on February 06, 2006, 01:41:36 AM
Betty posterized a Redlands guy, but it's hard to rate dunks based on descriptions. 

PP now has three losses.  They need a stumble by Oxy or CMS plus a home sweep of those two AND a win at Cal Lu.  Not impossible but I'd rather be Oxy or CMS.

Oxy did not play badly.  Brought their B game.  Laverne has unbelievable talent; I would say their talent level is mid-level GSAC.  However, they just can't seem to put anything together, losing against smart, tough opponents.  They're a lot like the Cal teams in the Bozeman era.  Interesting to see what role they play down the stretch, especially given that they may get some real home games.

Agree that CMS is in the driver's seat and Taylor is my MVP (sorry, WCW, call it man crush, if you will).   CMS will have a toughie at PP, but so does Oxy.  The game at Ducey, before about 41 CMS diehards, will likely decide the whole thing.  Hate to hate, but my dough is on CMS.

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on February 06, 2006, 03:07:38 AM
So, I know this is premature, but, I've been sitting here trying to figure out how many playoff games Oxy might be able to host. (with a QOWI like theirs, and their in region record, they have a great chance at a Pool C, even if they totally fall apart for the rest of the season)

One major factor is gym size... and I can't find this information at all for Oxy. How many people does Oxy's gym hold?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Stags4Life on February 06, 2006, 04:24:51 AM
Quote from: tigersports on February 06, 2006, 01:41:36 AM
The game at Ducey, before about 41 CMS diehards, will likely decide the whole thing. 


Are you trying to talk sh*t or something.  I guarantee that CMS will have just as many fans, if not more, then Oxy had when CMS visited them.

-- Stags4Life
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dj_hyphen on February 06, 2006, 10:10:28 AM
Quote from: tigersports on February 06, 2006, 01:41:36 AM
  Laverne has unbelievable talent; I would say their talent level is mid-level GSAC.  However, they just can't seem to put anything together, losing against smart, tough opponents.  They're a lot like the Cal teams in the Bozeman era. 

having played with some of those dudes over the years in open gyms, I've always thought the same thing.  La Verne's had some good athletes and quality players, but they generally get torn apart by better coached teams.  The flip side of that equation is that every now and then, their talent comes out to shine and they can knock off one of the top tier schools.  They've even done fairly well nationally, even though they lose most of those games (not unlike most SCIAC teams though).  I remember a PP game a few years ago where La Verne absolutely shot the lights out and pretty easily beat one of the better teams of the past 5 years.  Of course, in the end, they seem to finish around .500 every year
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 06, 2006, 12:48:06 PM
Quote from: diehardfan on February 06, 2006, 03:07:38 AM
So, I know this is premature, but, I've been sitting here trying to figure out how many playoff games Oxy might be able to host. (with a QOWI like theirs, and their in region record, they have a great chance at a Pool C, even if they totally fall apart for the rest of the season)

One major factor is gym size... and I can't find this information at all for Oxy. How many people does Oxy's gym hold?

Oxy hosted a playoff game against Aurora a few years back, so their gym clearly meets whatever standard the NCAA requires.  (Presuming, of course, that the scoreboard clocks work.)  I don't know what the capacity is, but they have a full set of bleacher stands along both sides of the court, maybe 25 or 30 rows high?  No seating behind either end line.  It's not huge, but it's big enough, and it's quite an atmosphere when it's full.

It would help Oxy's case if Chapman were to get a Pool B.  (I haven't been paying attention to the Bumblin' B's, so I don't know if this is possible.)  The NCAA's aversion to travel might lead to a Southland Sectional if there's two local teams available.  Throw in  the one NWC representative, probably UPS, and maybe a Texas team, and you have one of those Friday/Saturday opening quartets.  That'd be big fun!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WestCoastWhiner on February 06, 2006, 12:56:29 PM
Dang, my boy Kats was tagged.  I'll give it up to the Poets and the Leopards.  I expected both of them to get at least 1 W against the Big 3, and Whittier is becoming something of a thorn in PP's side.  Either PP's kids don't bring it against them or the Poet kids refuse to give the Hens deference on the court.  Either way, the Poets continue to have some success against the King of the Hill.  Wow.  Look for the Hens to treat their CMS game as their defining moment, their NCAA Tournament game.  More is at stake in that game than the 5 college campus bragging rights.  Too many winners on that team for them to want to go down on the books as such a huge disappointment.

La Verne may have brought it but Oxy's recent cheek tightening undoubtedly contributed.  Oxy has been suffering from having a target on their back (the Big 3 coming after the new kid on the block getting more national attention than they ever did; the bottom 3 coming after them to show that national attention or not, it is still just Oxy, not PP, CMS or CLU & most importantly, the Oxy players starting to fall in love with themselves and forgetting the type of work and focus it took to get them there in the first place).

CMS moves into the driver's seat.  Even with an L at PP, it looks like they will run the table.  And until Oxy shows me something, I'm going to say what folks are thinking, even Oxy fans, that the Tigers might not have the mental fortitude of champions.  Call it peaking too early, call it failing to improve, call it players stopping to believe in what the coaches are saying, call it cheek tightening, whatever you want.   I recognize that it is early to say it but the Tigers could very well be done.  CMS is the only team improving week in and week out - and that is the stuff of champions.    

But from a SCIAC perspective I'm a little frightened by that because CMS, like PP, suffers from Big 3-itis, mysterious illness that causes excessive cheek tightening out of the friendly confines of So Cal.






Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on February 06, 2006, 05:11:31 PM
Stag 4 Life, I was talking sh*t.  I was at the last two Oxy/CMS games at Ducey and though 41 is light and meant for exaggeration (e.g., Keith Richards is 138) it wasn't that much more by any significant degree of magnitude.  The stands were maybe 1/3 full for those games, and that's just the lower ring.   I think just about every poster on this board would agree that the only time anyone piles into Ducey or Voelkel is when they're playing a cross-campus rival.  Now, CMS may have some people pour in for the Oxy game because the team has a chance to dance.   That said, if there was a reliable way to measure things, I'd bet you on your guarantee and call it my "lock of the week" (complete with lock sound effects).   

I've been announcing these games for 7 years now and the best non-playoff SCIAC crowds I've seen were Redlands/Oxy (at Courier) in '04 and Oxy/Pomona last week.  All other roadies (except for maybe one Cal Lu) were very sparsely attended.  We've done a total of six at the CC's and there was never even one that was close to half capacity. 

Bottom line is that the LAST thing a CMS booster should be arguing is that they get great crowd support for a non-PP game.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: castle on February 06, 2006, 05:54:49 PM
New Top 25:

OXY down to #18...UPS #11, Wartburg #23.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OXY Oswald on February 06, 2006, 06:11:18 PM
See you there Bob

Go Tigers!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Stags4Life on February 06, 2006, 07:40:51 PM
Quote from: tigersports on February 06, 2006, 05:11:31 PM
Bottom line is that the LAST thing a CMS booster should be arguing is that they get great crowd support for a non-PP game.

I will argue. I do not know how accurate these statistics are, but I found numbers for attendance at the earlier Oxy-CMS game and it was listed at 525 then I looked at the most recent CMS home game for which there were statistics which was La Verne and there were 512 people.  I am not saying we get as much or the most fan support but you should keep your mouth shut and stop talking sh*t.  If your assumptions were correct(theyre not btw), then the Oxy-CMS undefeated battle should have had way more than it actually had and a "non-playoff" "non-crossstreet" game at CMS should have had much less. 

-- Stags4Life
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dj_hyphen on February 06, 2006, 08:44:04 PM
 :D :D :D @ believing the numbers that are put in the box score for attendence...those are NEVER accurate in SCIAC play...hopefully CMS has more people at games these days than I remember, but the fan support there (in terms of numbers) has traditionally been pretty average.  No diss Stagfan, just a fact.  This year, you guys are in the driver's seat though, so get the word out on campus and make sure everyone's behind the squad.


I'll be attending the PP/Cal Tech game on Wednesday and the big rivalry game on Saturday vs. CMS.  I expect my PP boys to come out amped up and it to be a great game...can't wait.  Who else will be in the building?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: K.C. on February 06, 2006, 09:40:37 PM
DJ-
I'll be there Saturday night, but first I'll be at Whittier Wednesday to see if the Poets can pull off the back-to-back upsets.  Being a Sagehen fan, you got to be pulling hard for CMS to lose (even more so than usual).  This could be Pomona's best chance at getting back in the SCIAC race.  If Whittier wins and CMS beats OXY next time, PP still controls their own destiny.

I would expect a much more lopsided score when Pomona plays Cal Tech this time.  I think Cal Tech has shown they've improved enough for teams to actually prepare for them in the second round.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on February 06, 2006, 09:54:22 PM
Stag, you first apparently need to take a course in respectful discourse.  I would think that someone with your educational credentials would not stoop to fourth-grade recess commands.   I never once directed anything like that your way.

That said, you will note that my data came from last year and the year before.  If people are packing Ducey this year, then it's about time because they sure weren't there the last two years.   (And that team sure deserves good fan support).   If that's the case,  it's therefore my mistake for extrapolating last year's data to this year's team.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Stags4Life on February 07, 2006, 01:48:06 AM
Quote from: tigersports on February 06, 2006, 09:54:22 PM
Stag, you first apparently need to take a course in respectful discourse.  I would think that someone with your educational credentials would not stoop to fourth-grade recess commands.   I never once directed anything like that your way.

That said, you will note that my data came from last year and the year before.  If people are packing Ducey this year, then it's about time because they sure weren't there the last two years.   (And that team sure deserves good fan support).   If that's the case,  it's therefore my mistake for extrapolating last year's data to this year's team.

I don't think I started the "fourth-grade recess commands."  Your sarcastic comment about "41 CMS Diehards" merely incited me.

Anyways, the fans will be in full force against Oxy and so will the Stags.

--Stags4Life

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sagecock on February 07, 2006, 04:40:21 AM
Quote from: dj_hyphen on February 06, 2006, 08:44:04 PM
:D :D :D @ believing the numbers that are put in the box score for attendence...those are NEVER accurate in SCIAC play...hopefully CMS has more people at games these days than I remember, but the fan support there (in terms of numbers) has traditionally been pretty average.  No diss Stagfan, just a fact.  This year, you guys are in the driver's seat though, so get the word out on campus and make sure everyone's behind the squad.


I'll be attending the PP/Cal Tech game on Wednesday and the big rivalry game on Saturday vs. CMS.  I expect my PP boys to come out amped up and it to be a great game...can't wait.  Who else will be in the building?

I'll definitely be at the Cal Tech game, though I will not be my normal dynamic self given that heckling Cal Tech is akin to fixing the Special Olympics in terms of moral validity.

Quick note on CMS/PP attendence, if any SCIAC school claims that a third of their student body (outside of rivalry games, i.e PP-CMS, PP-Oxy, etc..) showed up to a game they are clearly lying.  I know what 500 people look like, and it is not the 12 drunk guys in the first row.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WestCoastWhiner on February 07, 2006, 11:00:43 AM
I say let's agree to move past the fan debate.  Bottom line is that outside of PP-CMS, the SCIAC will always have at best mid-tier DIII hoops support.   Everyone here has covered all of the reasons for that and it just has to be recognized that the SCIAC schools have distractions that its cornfed cousins don't have.  Yes, from a hoops perspective you have to be a little jealous.  Watch a game at Hope and you have to get excited about basketball.   Take your two semesters of sun and get good enough to make the lack of crowd support not hurt you.   The SCIAC's big school neighbors in the Pac 10 have made it happen, and nobody is saying that playing in Pullman is like going to Ann Arbor. 

Talent is a cure for Big3-itis.

 

 

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tom Brady on February 07, 2006, 11:52:07 AM
I am looking forward to the OXY/Cal Lu game.  I hope the fan support is good from OXY, which I am sure it will be.  The football players at Cal Lu have become fond of yelling things at the other teams players as of late, even refering to them as "Poop".  Even if Cal Lu does pull off the big upset, at least they won't be able to use the dumbest line ever....."Just like Football".  Safe travels to all.  If you look for me, I will be the guy hididng under the bleachers cause I am embarrassed about the gym (but only for a few more months).
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tom Brady on February 07, 2006, 12:32:22 PM
I am guessing it was a few of them.  They are probably the same idiots that called a kid a "Doushe Bag" and started the "Bull Sh**" chant in a gym that only holds about 200 people.  Smart bunch up this way. ;D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: mr_rayburn on February 07, 2006, 12:46:59 PM
I'll be right there with DJ Hyphen at the Pomona/CMS game on Saturday. It really is too bad that Chaz Turner had to quit the CMS team prior to the 2 games against Pomona. Nonetheless it should be a good game. Hopefully the Pomona team that came to play against Oxy will show up against CMS on Saturday.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on February 07, 2006, 05:00:26 PM
If anyone can do IM's from their phone or send emails from the same, we would greatly appreciate any updates you could give us while we do the WC/Oxy game.   (We will also return in kind reports from our game).  Our contact info is at oxybroadcast.com.  Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on February 07, 2006, 06:33:04 PM
Rick (Tom?)-
I agree - I thought the "Purple Pit" was much more clever and creative earlier in the season.  Lately they seem in need of rejuvenation...  I'm a little disappointed you're embarrassed about the gym - I've found it much easier to think of it as charming and full of character since they broke ground for the new one  ;)

Bob and Oswald-
Glad you guys are coming out to the game.  I'll try and stop by to introduce myself tomorrow night if I get a chance to make it for part of the game.  That is if it's not too hard to make it through the Cal Lu fans storming the court in celebration of a Kingsmen victory ;D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tom Brady on February 08, 2006, 12:08:19 PM
Yes Scandi, this is Tom.  I changed my name for baseball season.  Sorry for the confusion.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on February 08, 2006, 02:18:55 PM
I know this is outside of the D3 community, but after going to the USC-Arizona game last week at the Sports Arena (which would arguably be amongst the worst gyms in the SCIAC ;) ) I checked out USC's new Galen Center which is scheduled to open next fall.  I think many of you might enjoy taking a look at it.  If you click on the virtual seating diagram link it takes you to an interactive page where you can see interior views from each section.

http://usctrojans.collegesports.com/facilities/usc-galen-center.html
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WestCoastWhiner on February 08, 2006, 05:20:31 PM
$70M for that fine gigantic facility at SC.  $22M for Hope field house.
$29M for CLU's complex.  $16M for Rains.   LV getting updates.  Whittier needs updates.  Redlands, CMS & Oxy need new gyms.  Capital campaign time folks.  I have to believe that if Hope can pull off a $100M+ cap campaign that those schools can as well.  I'm sure it won't be easy.  Nothing worth having ever is.  



 




Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciacguru on February 08, 2006, 06:46:04 PM
Quote from: Rick Vaughn on February 07, 2006, 11:52:07 AM
I am looking forward to the OXY/Cal Lu game.  I hope the fan support is good from OXY, which I am sure it will be.  The football players at Cal Lu have become fond of yelling things at the other teams players as of late, even refering to them as "Poop".  If you look for me, I will be the guy hididng under the bleachers cause I am embarrassed about the gym (but only for a few more months).

Quote from: Rick Vaughn on February 07, 2006, 12:32:22 PM
ISmart bunch up this way. ;D

Maybe they arent the most creative with their cheers.....but they are smart enough to spell "referring" and have much pride in their gym.  So you can stay under the bleachers!!!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on February 08, 2006, 09:53:05 PM
When the Sports Arena first opened there was an Attendance Sign that changed as fans entered.  I always thought that was cool.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciacguru on February 09, 2006, 12:42:22 AM
The score that is posted for the CLU/Oxy game is wrong.....flip the score and Oxy won.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on February 09, 2006, 12:53:42 AM
whats the correct score?
i hope you're right guru!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on February 09, 2006, 12:56:58 AM
ok, made a phone call.  had a little elevated blood pressure....then found out oxy won.  on the front page, it looks as though clu did a good job in posting a press release, they just got the score reveresed, as guru said.

good night from the midwest.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 09, 2006, 01:03:34 AM
So for the non-telepathic among us, that makes the final score
Occidental 58
Cal Lutheran 45

Press Release (http://www.d3hoops.com/releases.php?release=45432)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 09, 2006, 01:33:34 AM
Sheesh. You know, a couple weeks ago we added a confirmation screen to the score posting process, so before the score goes up, you get a look at the score you are reporting, in nice huge type. So if you post a wrong score, it's because you weren't paying attention.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: K.C. on February 09, 2006, 01:39:26 AM
Saw a good game out at Whittier tonight.  In the end, Claremont's defensive pressure was a little too much for the Poets.  Whittier actually had the ball with a chance to tie at the end of the game, but they were unable to get an open 3 and Miles Taylor blocked the shot.  He once again showed why he's the best all-around player in the conference.  He just seems to want it more than anyone else out there.

Whittier started strong and had the lead much of the first half.  The turning point in the game was with about 4 minutes left in the first half.  Gibson for Whittier was picked as he drove to the basket, then reacted with what the refs called an intentional foul.  A couple seconds later the refs added a technical (not sure if this was on Gibson or the coach) for arguing the call.  Claremont had just gained a 4 point lead, and the four subsequent free throws pushed it to 8.  Whitter never led again, and Gibson was benched from that point until about 9 minutes left in the game.

Scalmanini had definitely become one of the top coaches in the conference, IMO.  He's got his team playing better overall team basketball than anyone else in the conference.  Their defensive intensity is the best I've seen in a while.  Hopefully for Stags fans, they can keep the Scalmanini/Connor Henry combo there a while.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Eye of da TIGER on February 09, 2006, 02:18:32 AM
Oxy Bob speaks nothing but the truth.  We only traveled about 22 due to a week filled with sr comps and tests, yet we still had as many students as Cal Lu.  If they even believed that they had the best fans in the SCIAC they are now left off that list.  The only thing their students could respond with to many of the Oxy chants was "You're gay, You're gay, You're gay" and "C*CKIDENTAL!" Good win for the Tigers, and keep it classy out there in Thousand Oaks!!!!

Ps. Oxy Bob we were looking for you in the stands, next time stop by and say what up!!!!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OXY Oswald on February 09, 2006, 02:25:49 AM
TIGER and Bob,

I'm with you on a great game.  Oxy's D in the first half drove me nuts, but they sealed up the middle and got tough to take the lead, and keep it, in the second half.

The away mob that came had an awesome time, and had tons of energy... good news is it's one of the last times we'll visit the Kingsmen Thousand Oaks Middle School Gymnasium. 

Congrats to the Cal Lu fans, we now all know that we're "gay" and where we go to school.... thanks for the cheerleaders, they were great.

Go Tigers!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: El Tigre on February 09, 2006, 02:34:02 AM
Thanks OxyBob ... I wish we could have had more people, but like Eye of da Tiger said there is a lot going on this week.  I mean we had four econ majors that made the trip and have MFATs this Saturday.  Great game from both Cal Lu and Oxy, but as we all know oxy came out on top like they should.  Got a little scared here and there but never lost faith in my tigers.  

As for the Cal Lu/Oxy fans debate ... tonight the award goes to oxy.  We had about half as many people there as they did and was able to over power them the whole game.  They sure do get an E for effort, but between stealing our chants and using less then classy chants they lost some respect.  

Some big games this weekend ... hope everyone comes out in full force because you know oxy will with a home game against the "purple poets!"  See you at the game OxyBob.  Stop by the unofficial officials and say hello.  I will have a large tiger print hat on.

Eat'em up Tigers!


Eat'em up Tigers!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: El Tigre on February 09, 2006, 03:10:48 AM
OxyBob I know you said you were going to wear a grey Occidental sweater, but by chance were you wearing a black Occidental t-shirt ... because if so I think I saw you.  Hey if you ever want one of our stylish ref jerseys ... let us know!  We will even but OoxyBob as your nickname!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OXY Oswald on February 09, 2006, 03:13:51 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 09, 2006, 02:38:31 AM
Eye of da TIGER:

>>Ps. Oxy Bob we were looking for you in the stands, next time stop by and say what up!!!!<<

I was standing up and yelling right in back of you guys the entire game. Nicely done getting the CLU cheerleaders to high-five you as they passed by. I guess that qualifies as a hand job.

OxyBob

Those girls are good at what they do! ;)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 09, 2006, 04:32:49 AM
Don't look now, SCIACers, but there's a solid chance that your league could sneak a second team into the big dance via the Pool C route -- in spite of the fact that only one SCIAC team (Occidental) currently ranks among the top hundred teams in D3 in the Quality of Wins Index list that Pat Coleman updates every two or three days.

This is how the NCAA's initial West Region rankings looked when they were released yesterday:

rank, team, regional record, overall record
1. Occidental (9-1, 16-2)
2. Puget Sound (12-1, 17-3)
3. UW-Stout (14-3, 17-4)
4. UW-LaCrosse (16-5, 17-5)
5. Wartburg (16-3, 17-4)
6. Willamette (13-2, 14-6)
7. Carleton (13-4, 16-5)
8. UW-Whitewater (11-5, 15-5)

There isn't another SCIAC team within shouting distance of these rankings. Not only do the other two contenders have inferior West Region records (CMS was 9-5 at the time the rankings were released yesterday, 10-5 now, while Pomona-Pitzer was 7-3, now 8-3), but as I said, neither has a QOWI that's worth a second look.

So, then, what chance does the SCIAC have of getting in a second team, you ask? It's because Oxy is #1 in the region. A number one ranking means that they have some breathing room if they drop a game ... like, say, the game a week from Saturday @ CMS. The Tigers could easily survive a loss in their rematch with the Stags; their #1 ranking in the region rests not only upon their gaudy regional record (now 10-1 after last night's win over Cal Lutheran) but upon their QOWI, which ranked among the top ten in the nation according to Pat's last QOWI list.

And if a win over Oxy is part of a CMS run to the title, with the Stags finishing 13-1 in the SCIAC and Oxy going 12-2, the league's Pool A automatic bid goes to a team that would otherwise have no shot via Pool C (CMS) -- but Oxy would be sitting pretty in the Pool C sweepstakes with a 14-2 West Region record, a high QOWI, and probably a slot in the West Region rankings that'd range somewhere between third and fifth. With 18 Pool C slots available this March, I'd like the Tigers' chances under those conditions.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on February 09, 2006, 08:27:57 AM
I'm looking at possibly being back in LA the first week of March.  If Oxy makes the tournament and IF we are lucky enough to host a first round game...does anyone know the dates of Round 1?

Right now, American has a 198 roundtrip flight from STL-LAX.  I figure, if we take care of business, all's well.

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on February 09, 2006, 11:14:14 AM
Sounds like a good win last night for Oxy.  The Kingsmen have impressed me with their ability to hang tough with the top teams in the conference, but again, as was the case against CMS, their youth and lack of depth seem to hurt them during the last 5-7 minutes of the game.  I was hoping it would be a different story when it was still tied with 7 minutes left...

During the parts of the broadcast I caught it sounds like Betty was very impressive - it's a tough assignment to ask anyone, let alone a freshman, to guard him.  I'm sure the Oxy-CMS rematch will be a good one.

As for the "Purple Pit", well, I defended them here earlier in the season but I'm done taking up their cause.  I've seen much worse over the years, but I am disappointed that they've degenerated to the point where they can't seem to figure out that once you cross the line to a place where the best you can come up with is an inference about your opponent being gay you've lost the battle.  It is about being classy, clever and enthusiastic, and on that score I commend the Oxy students who made the trip. 

Despite the loss, I remain excited about what the future holds for this Cal Lu team.  With two exceptions (Bush and Lepiashanski), they're all freshmen and sophmores and they're still playing the top SCIAC teams tough.  It's exciting to think that Minney might be able to rejoin this group next year.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: El Tigre on February 09, 2006, 12:43:47 PM
Quote from: scandihoovian on February 09, 2006, 11:14:14 AM
It is about being classy, clever and enthusiastic, and on that score I commend the Oxy students who made the trip. 

Thanks scandihoovian,
Yea ... I am not going to lie and say that in past years Oxy used to act in the same manner as Cal Lu did last night, but we have been working with Newhall and the administrators at Oxy to change the culture at Occidental and prove that quality academics and quality athletics can go hand in hand.  So far this has worked out ... we have an insane amount of students coming out to the basketball games, with the football team leading the pack.  Just this week we were acknowledged in the Oxy newspaper:

    "Members of the Oxy Football Team have become the unofficial cheerleaders of the Men's Basketball Team, flooding the stands and leading the crowd in roaring songs and coordinated chants.  Dressed in their referee-like jerseys or black uniforms (we have all other students wear all black), Oxy Football players have made the "Black Hole" into an intimidating and energizing force."

I challenge any school to come out and compete with us!

Quote from: OxyBob on February 09, 2006, 11:27:27 AM
I won't be at the Whittier game. My wife is demanding a night out, and she doesn't think dinner at Casa Bianca, followed by the Oxy-Whittier game, culminating in a trip to Tommy's, qualifies as an acceptable date, spoil sport that she is.

OxyBob,
Are you kidding me ... you can take me out anytime you want!  You know if that's the case we do have a new sushi restaurant that opened up next to yellow liquor and I heard it is really good and classy, but I understand and we will try a step it up a notch to make up for the loss.  Hopefully, we will have a chance to talk sometime before the end of the season.  Maybe Eye of da Tiger, Oxy Oswald, you and I can meet before a game for a beer or two!

Eat'em Up Tigers!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tom Brady on February 09, 2006, 12:51:12 PM
Bob-  That handjob line is classic.  Well done my friend.

All of the Oxy fans that made the trip should feel pretty darn good about yourselves (and I know you do).  You guys made the "Purple Pit" guys look pretty stupid.  I guess the whole "your'e gay" one was okay (with my sense of humor) but on the whole, yuo guys were awsome.  I loved the shirts and the overall enthusiasm.  It will be even cooler next year when the fans are on opposite sides of the court (I think).

Either way, I give you all props for showing support for Oxy.  I knew it was only a matter of time until the whole "just like football" chant came out.  I thought it was great when you guys came back with "41-9".  Man, maybe I am turning into a closet Oxy fan....nahhhh
One question though.  Did the CLU guys chant "Lets go outside"???  I thought I heard it, and if so, that is just plain bad.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tom Brady on February 09, 2006, 12:54:00 PM
El Tigre and all the other guys in the striped shirts last night, I only have one thing to say to all of you.......Well done my friends.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on February 09, 2006, 01:53:09 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 09, 2006, 04:32:49 AM
Don't look now, SCIACers, but there's a solid chance that your league could sneak a second team into the big dance via the Pool C route -- in spite of the fact that only one SCIAC team (Occidental) currently ranks among the top hundred teams in D3 in the Quality of Wins Index list that Pat Coleman updates every two or three days...

And if a win over Oxy is part of a CMS run to the title, with the Stags finishing 13-1 in the SCIAC and Oxy going 12-2, the league's Pool A automatic bid goes to a team that would otherwise have no shot via Pool C (CMS) -- but Oxy would be sitting pretty in the Pool C sweepstakes with a 14-2 West Region record, a high QOWI, and probably a slot in the West Region rankings that'd range somewhere between third and fifth. With 18 Pool C slots available this March, I'd like the Tigers' chances under those conditions.

Well put Sager, I wasn't sure of the facts but I had a sneaking suspicion that this could happen.  If both teams got in under this scenario would Oxy be seeded higher than CMS?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 09, 2006, 02:05:41 PM
Quote from: scandihoovian on February 09, 2006, 01:53:09 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 09, 2006, 04:32:49 AM
Don't look now, SCIACers, but there's a solid chance that your league could sneak a second team into the big dance via the Pool C route -- in spite of the fact that only one SCIAC team (Occidental) currently ranks among the top hundred teams in D3 in the Quality of Wins Index list that Pat Coleman updates every two or three days...

And if a win over Oxy is part of a CMS run to the title, with the Stags finishing 13-1 in the SCIAC and Oxy going 12-2, the league's Pool A automatic bid goes to a team that would otherwise have no shot via Pool C (CMS) -- but Oxy would be sitting pretty in the Pool C sweepstakes with a 14-2 West Region record, a high QOWI, and probably a slot in the West Region rankings that'd range somewhere between third and fifth. With 18 Pool C slots available this March, I'd like the Tigers' chances under those conditions.

Well put Sager, I wasn't sure of the facts but I had a sneaking suspicion that this could happen.  If both teams got in under this scenario would Oxy be seeded higher than CMS?

The seeding would be dependent on the enumerated factors (in-region record, QoWI, record against other ranked teams, etc.) and could go either way, especially since they'd have split the head-to-head games. 

But more to the point, since there'd be two SoCal teams in the draw (and perhaps three, if Chapman is able to sneak a Pool B), it's a lead-pipe cinch that there'd be first-round games at one site or the other.  Remember, the NCAA is travel-cost-phobic, and they'd be positively giddy about the possibility of having two (or three) SoCal teams not flying. 

I doubt even the NCAA would pair up CMS and Oxy in the first round, sending the winner to someplace like Puget Sound for a second round game.  Therefore I'd anticipate one of these new-this-year first/second round quartets to be played either at CMS or Oxy, with Puget Sound (or other NWC rep) and Chapman or a Texas team filling out the draw.

So the question may not be "which is the higher seed?" so much as "which has the better facilities?"  I've been to Oxy several times, and it's fine; and we know the NCAA agrees, since they sent Aurora out there a few years ago.  I've not been to CMS; do they have tourney-appropriate facilities?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Stags4Life on February 09, 2006, 02:14:07 PM
hey, just wanted to say i enjoy the camraderie you oxy fans bring to this board, i wish all the sciac teams were as well represented

anyways, i was just wondering, what is the QoW1 thing you guys are talking about?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on February 09, 2006, 02:16:42 PM
QOWI is the Index that measures Quality of Wins.

As for the CMS facilities, I think the NCAA might encourage them to host up the street in the Rains Center.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 09, 2006, 02:23:57 PM
Quote from: Stags4Life on February 09, 2006, 02:14:07 PM
anyways, i was just wondering, what is the QoW1 thing you guys are talking about?

As scandihoovian says, it's Quality of Wins Index.  This is one of the factors enumerated by the NCAA in its selection process.

How to calculate QoWI (http://www.d3hoops.com/faq.php?question=35) (from the site FAQ.)

How the QoWI calculations figure into the selection process (http://www.d3hoops.com/dailydose/?p=125) (from the Daily Dose.)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: El Tigre on February 09, 2006, 02:44:55 PM
Quote from: Rick Vaughn on February 09, 2006, 12:51:12 PM
One question though.  Did the CLU guys chant "Lets go outside"???  I thought I heard it, and if so, that is just plain bad.

Rick Vaughn,

Thanks for the support ... not going to lie but we have a great time at every game!  Yes your Cal Lu guys did chant, "Let's go outside" but we exited on different sides of the gym.  When we got outside they were standing out there in a group holding up their hands provoking us to fight I guess, but I knew it was their football team and I thought they just wanted to see our huge sparkling SCIAC Champion ship rings, which we were all wearing!!! To see look at Eye of da Tigers picture...
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OXY Oswald on February 09, 2006, 03:28:23 PM
Quote from: Rick Vaughn on February 09, 2006, 12:51:12 PM
Man, maybe I am turning into a closet Oxy fan....nahhhh

Rick,

I haven't gotten a real sense of committment to any team in particular, are you a Cal Lu man or just a D3 Hoops fan?

We'd be glad to have you on our sideline.

Go Tigers!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WestCoastWhiner on February 09, 2006, 04:07:30 PM
The Board is ALIVE!!!  Encouraging for us LTPs.  Oxy's solid win at CLU (young but still part of the Big 3) has me wondering whether Oxy is turning the corner and going to get away from playing not to lose.   Similarly, a good but close win by CMS has me wondering whether that was the first indication of some slight cheek tightening in Claremont.       

Nothing will loosen Claremont up more than a female canine slap by Kats Saturday night.  Hopefully Kats is going to stick with his 3 big guns and hasn't abandoned them because of their disappointing season.  Those 3 have not lived up to the hype, but I wouldn't abandon them.  They have done too much for the Program and PP can still force this thing into a 3-way tie.  Keep riding your horses King.

I know Miles is having a great year and is justifiably being looked at by folks as the MVP, but don't expect Knowles to be scared of him.  As Betty found out, there are enough good players in this conference that when people start talking about you being the man, everyone starts looking forward to guarding you and taking away what you do well.  I like how Betty is now adjusting his game and exploiting the weaknesses the openings that are caused by the focus on him.  His boards and assists are up.  Oxy will be tough to beat if Oxy & Betty have figured that out. 

Welcome to the front-runner seat Miles.  May I introduce you to David Knowles.  Mr. Knowles was the annointed best guard in the SCIAC coming into the year and he is glad that he gets a chance to play against the kid who took his throne.   

   
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Stags4Life on February 09, 2006, 05:25:34 PM
That sounds good and all, but in the Pomona-CMS game, Taylor and Knowles dont ever really compete against eachother.  Knowles still might be the best guard in the SCIAC, but Miles Taylor is the best all-around player, probably tabbed a forward.  Winterbottom will be guarding Knowles all night while Miles will be down low against Hollo and other Pomona big men.

--Stags4Life
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 09, 2006, 06:32:08 PM
The members of CoSIDA, the College Sports Information Directors of America, today have selected their Academic All-District Teams, sponsored by ESPN the Magazine.  La Verne's Jason Greenlee (3.89, Accounting) was named to the First Team All-District, making him a nominee for Academic All-American.  Named to the second team were Miles Taylor of Claremont-Mudd-Scripps (3.60, Economics) and Amir Mazarei of Redlands (3.44, Accounting).  Congratulations to these outstanding scholar-athletes!

Men's Academic All-District Teams (http://www.cosida.com/formpdfs/mb06acad.pdf)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on February 09, 2006, 06:56:43 PM
El Tigre,
Did you say that there is a new sushi restaraunt next to Yellow Liquor?  Wow, times have changed in just a few short years since I graduated.

I know there are now a whole bunch of new coffee houses and such...Jamba Juice, Starbucks, etc along Eagle Rock Blvd.

When I was there we had smog check places...ha.  As long as The Capri, The Bucket, Troy's, Leo's tacotruck and OK Chinese are still there, I'm good. 

Will I even recognize the place when I return to L.A.?

To all the football players who were at the game...did Cal Lu really use the "just like football" chant on you?  That doesn't make sense...?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OXY Oswald on February 09, 2006, 07:28:56 PM
Quote from: OxyFan21 on February 09, 2006, 06:56:43 PM
Did you say that there is a new sushi restaraunt next to Yellow Liquor? 
...
As long as The Capri, The Bucket, Troy's, Leo's tacotruck and OK Chinese are still there, I'm good. 
...
To all the football players who were at the game...did Cal Lu really use the "just like football" chant on you?  That doesn't make sense...?
There is and I've heard nothing but good things about it, high quality sushi and reasonable prices.  And all your favortie restaraunts are still here, don't worry. 

And no they didn't do the "Just like football chant,"  Oxy led that chant all the way home...
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sagecock on February 09, 2006, 08:00:44 PM
After watching the Cal Tech-PP game I've got nothing but love for those Techers.  Having missed them last season due to being abroad, it was great seeing them field a team with actual athleticism, or as there website puts it:

"Caltech has always had a fine intercollegiate player, perhaps two, on the roster but never a plethora of riches in talent with formal interscholastic basketball background"

I'm suprised that they havn't won a game this year, if only due to the fact that someone HAS to have a bad game sometime.  All the luck to the Beavers finishing SCIAC...who knows, maybe they'll take someone out this year...

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Liger Hoops on February 10, 2006, 11:58:53 AM
What up SCIAC board? First time poster, long time reader. It's been great watching these boards get hotter and hotter these last few weeks.


OxyFan21-

            As Oswald said, the favorites are still there but I'd suggest Dave's Chillin  N' Grillin, right next to the Starbucks on Colorado. BEST sandwiches in town.

Sagecock-

            I would say that those Techers have surprised many fans of the SCIAC, namely us Oxy fans after one of them (his name escapes me)  put down 29 on our team! Does anyone know who they lose this year? It's so weird talking about if Cal-Tech loses anybody because it usually doesn't matter but like the Cock has already mentioned, the techers are due and I'm just hoping it comes against P-P or CMS and not my Tigers.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: El Tigre on February 10, 2006, 01:29:47 PM
Quote from: OxyFan21 on February 09, 2006, 06:56:43 PM
Wow, times have changed in just a few short years since I graduated.

OxyFan21,
Yep ... like Oswald said I also have heard nothing, but good things.  The rolls are large and really tasty.  Things have been changing around here lately.  Along with Jamba and Starbucks we also got a Cold Stones, a Quiznos, and a Rite Aid in the same area. If you want some book BBQ you can also go to Dante's ... I recommend their bbq chicken sandwich.  Now if you go south on Eagle Rock Blvd there is a new Chinese food place called House of Joy!  The food is a little high but the portion and food is worth it.  Eagle rock is change for the better ... you might not recognize the new places, but all the favorites are right where you will remember!

Eat'em Up Tigers!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on February 10, 2006, 03:56:13 PM
With all the changes that are happening in Eagle Rock, I was wondering if they have done anything about the nasty stench that comes with the neighborhood? Eagle Rock is hooded out, don't try to make it look all great. They should rename it Vato Rock.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OXY Oswald on February 10, 2006, 07:22:30 PM
Dont' be jealous because you've never heard of a Rite Aid, Jamba or clean air.  Go back to your death hole in the middle of nowhere and quit trying to knock us. 

Maybe make a visit this Wed. and you can tell us of the new improved look of Vato Rock, mind the pot holes apparently we also host the new training ground for city workers!  ;D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on February 10, 2006, 07:56:05 PM
RFB,

None of us have ever said that one could mistake Eagle Rock for Malibu, West L.A., Burbank or even Glendale, for that matter.  I don't think anyone at Oxy would want it to be any different.  I wouldn't really clasify Eagle Rock as being "hood" though. 

It's good to know that The Rock still has all my old favorites.

I've never been to the 909, so I can't comment on your neck of the woods. 

Please pick me up a Cranberry Craze, if possible.

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pomonaalum on February 10, 2006, 08:43:01 PM
I can't believe that someone who went to school the far Inland Empire is actually talking smack about anywhere else in the LA region.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Liger Hoops on February 10, 2006, 10:09:22 PM
Quote from: OxyFan21 on February 10, 2006, 07:56:05 PM
I've never been to the 909, so I can't comment on your neck of the woods.


OxyFan21-

           You're not missing anything out in the 909 except maybe a first-hand view of a declining Basketball program. And just about everything we flushed out of Eagle Rock.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pomonaalum on February 10, 2006, 10:35:20 PM
LaVerne, Pomona & CMC are also in the 909....
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Liger Hoops on February 10, 2006, 10:43:20 PM
Quote from: pomonaalum on February 10, 2006, 10:35:20 PM
LaVerne, Pomona & CMC are also in the 909....

Add 3 declining FB programs to my last post  :D. Just kidding. To be honest, I had no idea those schools were in the 909. Although the bus rides out to CMS and P-P are always a bit long, nothing is worse than having to go deep into the armpit of America.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on February 10, 2006, 11:13:19 PM
lol... we are trashtalking about PHONE AREA CODSE???  :D

My area code is 951 :P
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: samiam on February 10, 2006, 11:34:48 PM
Okay, I'm going to speak up for Redlands. I loved the town when I use to visit there. Wonderful downtown, great amphitheater, and a beautiful public library.

Now, San Bernadino and Riverside? Not so much.

I use to work in Pomona, and the memories I have of the town are probably marred by the lousy job. Eagle Rock is okay.

I imagine you can find something nice about any town. Well, except maybe Riverside.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Liger Hoops on February 11, 2006, 02:10:15 PM
Some huge games tonight in the SCIAC. P-P vs CMS should have an excellent turn out, it being cross-campus rivalry weekend.  Should CMS fall and Oxy handles Whittier the way they did the first time the teams met, the Tigers would move back into the driver seat in the SCIAC and would control their own destiny with some huge road games at CMS and P-P, not to mention a home game next week against Redlands.

Look for a big game from Betty and Phillips tonight. Betty went for 26 and 6 the first time against the Poets while Phillips went for 13 and 4.  It seems that SCIAC teams may have found a way to keep Betty from putting 20 on them (doubling in the paint, keeping him far from the basket).  He's averaging 16 ppg over the last 5 games after going for 27ppg in the 5 games before that.  With teams seemingly slowing Betty down, Phillips and company have picked up the slack and put up big numbers of their own. Phillips is one of the SCIAC's most aggressive and efficient rebounders and Whitman showed against P-P that he can hit the big shots if too much focus is given to Betty/Phillips in the paint.


Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OXY Oswald on February 11, 2006, 08:53:50 PM
Quote from: samiam on February 10, 2006, 11:34:48 PM
Okay, I'm going to speak up for Redlands. I loved the town when I use to visit there. Wonderful downtown, great amphitheater, and a beautiful public library.

Public library.... that's awesome man, thank god.  Who knows where I would have done my reading.  Sounds like Redlands is the Mecca of the Western United States.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: K.C. on February 11, 2006, 09:14:25 PM
I'll be heading out to the CMS-PP in about an hour.  Tough to say how this one's gonna go, as usual.  Pomona needs this game more - their season's done if they lose.  Right now though, I think Claremont is the better team.  And considering the way they handled Pomona the first time, with Taylor not even having a very big game, they would seem the favorite.  Parsons was huge last time though; it would be tough for him to duplicate that performance.

Like WCW said on an earlier post, I think Knowles will have a big game -  maybe like Parsons did in the first game for Claremont.  One thing I can't understand, whatever happened to Thomas Hollo? He sems to have fallen off the face of the earth his senior year.  It doesn't seem possible now that he was first team all-SCIAC a year ago.  He did absolutely nothing against Claremont the first game, and he's been Shaq-like in his free-throw shooting.
If he can play like the Hollo of old tonight, I would give the edge to Pomona.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Stags4Life on February 12, 2006, 12:45:57 AM
CMS defeated Pomona 58-51(im not sure if that buzzer shot counted) in front of a raucous crowd at Pomona's Gym.  The atmosphere was the best I have seen in a few years.  The game was close the whole game but CMS led the entire game and their great defense and clutch free throw shooting pulled it out in the end.

With CMS up 1 and the ball with just over a min remaining, Pomona got a stop and a rebound.  As they brought the ball up the court, Miles Taylor pokes the ball from behind into Dan Winterbottom's hands who passes to John Parsons for a dunk to give CMS a three point lead with 50 some seconds remaining.  On the ensuing possession, Pomona is not able to get a shot up against the Stag D and the play results in a shot clock violation.  The Stags now have the ball and a 3 point lead with 35 seconds left.  John Parsons converts 3 of 4 and Mani Maceira converts 2 of 2 free throws in the final 35 seconds to secure the win.

Pomona is done. the look on their seniors' faces was STAGgering but they fought hard and gave it all they had.  The Stags are the better team and look like they are on their way to their first SCIAC championship in four years.

Great Game!!!!

--Stags4Life
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Liger Hoops on February 12, 2006, 01:23:09 AM
HUGE crowd helped the Tigers overcome a 39-33 halftime deficit to come back and win 65-59 in the Rock. The crowd got louder in the second half and Whittier's shooting dropped significantly. Great win at home for the Tigers in front of two basketball HOF inductees. Phillips had another huge game, posting 16 points and grabbing 13 boards (including 5 offensively). Whitman continued to hit from down-town, including 2 in consecutive possessions to put the Tigers up for good in the second half. Both players hit their free throws, going a combined 10-12 (each going 4-6). Betty was relatively cold from the floor but hit his free throws to finish with 8 and 7 bounds.

Many props to Fanning and Farlough from the Poets. They kept their team in the game.



Way to pull one out Tigers, keep this momentum going!!!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 12, 2006, 01:29:02 AM
There was a capacity crowd at Caltech tonight, complete with glee club and pep band (as well as a magnificient doe-eyed brunette beauty sitting almost next to me :-*, but I digress), to see the Beavers make a valiant effort but fall to Redlands by 21, 109-88.  I was surprised to see how well the Techsters' legs and stamina held up under the crazy onslaught that is the Arsenault System.  By the end of the game, I think the Caltech players actually looked fresher, which helped account for their charging back from about 30 down to about half that margin before succumbing.  Caltech actually outscored (and generally outplayed) the Bulldogs in the second half.  Academic All-District star Amir Mazarei, who has a very nice stroke from long range, led all scorers with 34.  Jordan Carlson scored 21 for Caltech, but I think that was more a product of the high score than any great play on his part.  The player of the game for the Beavers was senior point Day Ivy, who was all over the floor tonght.  Caltech was victimized by some sloppy passing in the first half and bricked layups all night, but Redlands also got a hand on a lot of those passes, and picked up nearly every first-half loose ball.  Their 25 point halftime lead was too much to overcome.  But it was a fun game, and the crowd was really into the game; a major change from the other two times I have been to Pasadena.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: samiam on February 12, 2006, 11:45:58 AM
Quote from: OXY Oswald on February 11, 2006, 08:53:50 PM
Quote from: samiam on February 10, 2006, 11:34:48 PM
Okay, I'm going to speak up for Redlands. I loved the town when I use to visit there. Wonderful downtown, great amphitheater, and a beautiful public library.

Public library.... that's awesome man, thank god.  Who knows where I would have done my reading.  Sounds like Redlands is the Mecca of the Western United States.


Maybe you should publish a book with your ideals and philosophy, Oswald.  It might make the reader long for such classics "The Autobiography of Tara Lipinski", or "Political Insights from Miss America".

"I received the fundamentals of my education in school, but that was not enough. My real education, the superstructure, the details, the true architecture, I got from the public library."  - Isaac Asimov

"You must live feverishly in a library. Colleges are not going to do any good unless you are raised and live in a library every day of your life.  There's no use going to school unless your final destination is the library."  - Ray Bradbury

"Democracy depends on an informed population. And where can people get all the information they need? At the Library."  - Elliot Shelkrot

Now see what your ignorance has caused? I just lost a karma point.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OXY Oswald on February 12, 2006, 02:47:37 PM
HAHA I realize that librarys are there to expand our knowledge, my point was that everywhere has a library.  And I mean everywhere. 

Thanks for the words of wisdom though.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fosheezie on February 12, 2006, 06:43:55 PM
Very disappointed in the PP hoops team.  I thought they had all the pieces going in to repeat.  Knowles, Wexler-Beron, Hollo, Lloyd, and most importantly Kats.  I know Kats is doing everything he can to motivate the troops and Knowles is playing well, but the frontline is disappointing.  The stat line from last night's CMS game says it all.  If you can't get up for that game, something is wrong.  Pick it up guys, you're seniors, show some pride.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: samiam on February 12, 2006, 10:14:39 PM
Quote from: OXY Oswald on February 12, 2006, 02:47:37 PM
HAHA I realize that librarys are there to expand our knowledge, my point was that everywhere has a library.  And I mean everywhere. 

Thanks for the words of wisdom though.

Alright, I'll get off my high horse. Sorry. I would blame it on getting up on the wrong side of bed, but I think it was the same side I arise from each day.

Anyway, my original point was to point out that every place has good and bad in it. I remember Redlands, however, as a beautiful small city--in a not-so-beautiful surrounding. And, for a small city, there was a lot of culture in it.

I would go to Redlands for some arts and entertainment. I'd stay in Eagle Rock for food though. I never found a Leo's equivalent in Redlands.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dj_hyphen on February 13, 2006, 11:00:45 AM
Quote from: fosheezie on February 12, 2006, 06:43:55 PM
Very disappointed in the PP hoops team.  I thought they had all the pieces going in to repeat.  Knowles, Wexler-Beron, Hollo, Lloyd, and most importantly Kats.  I know Kats is doing everything he can to motivate the troops and Knowles is playing well, but the frontline is disappointing.  The stat line from last night's CMS game says it all.  If you can't get up for that game, something is wrong.  Pick it up guys, you're seniors, show some pride.

I don't think it's a lack of pride...but I do agree that the front line didn't perform their best for the CMS game.  Hopefully the big 3 up front will be able to finish up strong, they have all been huge players for PP over the past 4 years.  Speaking of another senior, I gotta shout out Evan Flagg for playing a great game against CMS...granted, he hasn't been a huge threat offensively this year, but he's contributing all the intangibles real well...he played some serious lockdown D on Parsons and Taylor this past game (both of them had their success when he was switched off them). 

Watching that game firsthand was great, as the rivalry is as big as ever...although I think CMS players/fans might want to count up the SCIAC championships over the last 15 years before they talk too much smack.  Get it done this year and I'll congratulate though, they definitely have a solid team.  Maceira absolutely BEASTED on PP...first time seeing him...Brian Skinner lookalike (taylor = casey jacobsen by the way)...he was all over the tip ins on the offensive glass.  Him and Jolly were great JC finds for them...strange route for a SCIAC school to go, but more power to em.

PP fans might be in for a long year next year...we'll be rebuilding and my boy Dave will have to do his best Kobe impersonation.  I'm thinking 25 ppg might have to happen for them to stay in games.  It's clear that he's more talented than any other guard in SCIAC, and an additional 2 inches/20 pounds and he would have been small D1 probably (although I assume you could say that for most of the top SCIAC players over the years).  He played the whole game against CMS, and never seemed to wilt under the full court pressure, dismantling it with ease every time up...40 minutes, 0 turnovers...VERY impressive for handling the ball as much as he did.  Next year will be a test though, he should see every sort of gimmick defense until one of the underclassmen takes some of the scoring load

anyway, hopefully PP finishes strong and perhaps helps out CMS by beating Oxy?  We'll see
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WestCoastWhiner on February 13, 2006, 11:17:57 AM
PomAlum, rare season for Kats.  Clearly the bigs have been disappointing but this same squad won two in a row.  CMS is better.  Oxy has had the best year.  But PP had everyone back and getting swept by CMS?!?  That isn't acceptable in a down year, let alone in a year where the Hens have the best talent.  Kats will reload.  They need to find someone like that one kid who got the MVP a few years ago but averaged only about 10 a game.  He was the glue and he never would have let the team perform like that.  

7 days and this thing will be decided.  Hats off to both CMS & Oxy.  The former squad has overcome some serious adversity and has salvaged the season.  The W against P. Loma & Westmont were turning points.  Great job by a coaching staff.  The season could have easily gone the other way.     

And Oxy has given us all a season to be proud of.  They put our conference on the national stage and knocked on the door of the top 10.   Newhall & staff have been the only coaching staff in the past several decades who have refused to believe the belief outside of our fishbowl conference that the SCIAC is a bottom-tier hoops conference.   Are they content to be able to tell everyone that they got some fun ink, spanked Amherst, competed with Utah St. and Azuza, and got as highly ranked as #12?  I hope for their sake that aren't because their system and their bigs gives Oxy a real chance to do some more damage.  

7 day season for CMS & Oxy.  Expect them both to bring it.   CMS has the MVP and the edge, and maybe that will give Oxy enough of a chip on their shoulder to overcome the adversity you face on the road. 

How good would a SCIAC Tourney be this year? 

SamiAm, you write too well for this thread.  Are you an Amherst fan who developed a respect for the SCIAC in your time last month in the Rock? 

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: samiam on February 13, 2006, 12:32:39 PM
QuoteSamiAm, you write too well for this thread.  Are you an Amherst fan who developed a respect for the SCIAC in your time last month in the Rock?

That's very kind of you, WCW. But, no, I'm just an ignorant fan of basketball at any level. I do, however, have an affinity for the SCIAC and Oxy in particular.

That said, I'm a bit disappointed in the Oxy play of late. It seems that each team is bring its A game to Eagle Rock and Oxy is just hanging on. I think they have the capability to put a team away in the 2nd half, but they sure haven't been doing that.

Obviously, you can't argue with the record. But it's going to be interesting--and nerve racking--to see how they handle this next week. At CMS and at PP. Sheesh.

As a SCIAC fan, it would be nice to see two representatives in the post-season, a scenario that means CMS wins over Oxy. As a selfish Oxy fan, I sure would like them to win out.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on February 13, 2006, 02:29:29 PM
Congrats to the tigers for their recent rank for west-coast teams and to the other teams that are upthere as well.

Anyways, I have been reading these post and catching up on the outcomes of games. Sounds like a lot of teams are having a heck of a season and doing well as the regular season comes to an end.

Just hearing out the sagehens, the stags and tigers battling it out for the top inside gyms full of excited fans just give me goose bumps. All these teams have come a long way since their first games. Should seem interesting if the SCIAc can send two teams into post-play and have them end up past the sweet 16.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Liger Hoops on February 13, 2006, 06:00:18 PM
Quote from: samiam on February 13, 2006, 12:32:39 PM

That said, I'm a bit disappointed in the Oxy play of late. It seems that each team is bring its A game to Eagle Rock and Oxy is just hanging on. I think they have the capability to put a team away in the 2nd half, but they sure haven't been doing that.

I think that Oxy has yet to play their best team game.  Unfortunately, one of the better games they played as a team came when the other team(La Verne) wouldn't miss a shot and the Tigers fell in a close one. In Oxy's (and CMS') defense, it's a tough place being atop the conference with a bulls-eye on your back.  Every team brings their A game and it's difficult to play to your absolute potential everytime you go out there. However, I think that Oxy has handled this "slump" exactly the way any coach would want them to;  When teams have been able to slow down Betty/Phillips in the paint, Whitman and McBride have been able to hit the big shot and when it's not working from the perimeter, Oxy's big men and the defense take control.

Is there any team in the SCIAC that goes as deep in their lineup as Oxy? The next 4 (Marvin, Alexander, Mills, Kostic) could be starting/getting huge minutes on any other team in conference; all average about 12 mpg for Oxy. Any thoughts?

What's the MVP race looking like? First of all, who votes for it? And if Oxy wins out and Phillips continues to be Oxy's backbone with teams doubling and slowing down Betty, you think Phillips and Betty would split the vote and someone from P-P or CMS would be crowned MVP? Who are the favorites?

Can't tell you how excited I am for this weeks games. Redlands at home will be a blast. I'm hoping can repeat his 47 point outing against the Dawgs; this time in front of a home crowd.  P-P and CMS are obviously the games that get the attention but Redlands can come out and put 110+ on anyone.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dj_hyphen on February 13, 2006, 07:15:05 PM
the coaches vote...and, in my opinion, the only logical people in the race right now are Betty and Taylor...whichever team ends up winning league, that player will probably win POY
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: samiam on February 13, 2006, 07:37:16 PM
Quote from: Liger Hoops on February 13, 2006, 06:00:18 PM
I think that Oxy has yet to play their best team game.

I agree. I wish they would play a bit better so I wouldn't get so dang nervous toward the end of each game.

You're right about La Verne that night too. I think at one point they were shooting 60%; unbelievable.

And as far as depth, I'm really impressed with Oxy's bench. It's a talented team, with a good mix of experience and up-and-coming players.

This is going to be a nerve-racking and fun week.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciacguru on February 13, 2006, 09:51:44 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 13, 2006, 05:16:28 PM
High-minded ideals for small minds, apparently.
OxyBob

Hey Oxy Bob,

Get off your high horse.  Oxy and their fans are not pure at heart.  In fact, at times, they are worse than any fans in the SCIAC....especially at other events.  I have witnessed women's volleyball matches at Eagle Rock where your beloved FB players have been absolutely brutal in their commments that go against Oxy's "Equity" cornerstone:

Respect for and the practice of justice, fairness and integrity—the belief that no attribute such as race, ethnicity, gender, religion, socioeconomic status, sexual orientation, age or physical ability should impair anyone's access to or enjoyment of any feature of Occidental College.

Where women are scared to walk out to their vans after a match.  I dont think this falls under the Community cornerstone either:
"Students, faculty, staff, alumni and friends of the College all empowered to help create and sustain a campus environment characterized by a spirit of mutual respect and cooperation based upon our common vision and shared values."

I am not condoning what the CLU fans have said, but I am sick of reading how the Oxy FB players/fans are golden boys and are the mold of what fans should be.  So before you start degrading people's intelligence, read YOUR SCHOOL'S MISSION STATEMENT and follow through.

"Thus equity necessarily entails welcoming the presence of all forms of diversity into the pursuit of excellence."  - (look familiar Oxy Bob?)

So lets get back to talking hoops and cheering to get 2 (maybe 3) teams in the tourney (Oxy & CMS) with Chapman as a pool C.  It would be nice to wreck some havoc and get some respect for the SCIAC.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Liger Hoops on February 13, 2006, 11:34:09 PM
Quote from: sciacguru on February 13, 2006, 09:51:44 PM
Get off your high horse.  Oxy and their fans are not pure at heart.  In fact, at times, they are worse than any fans in the SCIAC....especially at other events.  I have witnessed women's volleyball matches at Eagle Rock where your beloved FB players have been absolutely brutal in their commments ...

I am not condoning what the CLU fans have said, but I am sick of reading how the Oxy FB players/fans are golden boys and are the mold of what fans should be.  So before you start degrading people's intelligence, read YOUR SCHOOL'S MISSION STATEMENT and follow through.

I don't know the History of past football teams cheering at other events here at Oxy but I can say with the upmost confidence that NO current FB player would have been present at the events you claim to have witnessed. If any of them were, shame on them but not the entire Oxy fanbase.  I think the reason why Oxy's fans are getting the whole "what a fan should be" thing is because they truely are just great fans. Oxy fans travel better than any other fans in the SCIAC and did the same last year.  Heaven forbid that there are fans that are constantly Loud, Proud and most importantly (El Tigre's favorite word) Classy. The crowd at Rush Gymnasium is a main reason why Oxy is 18-2 the past 2 seasons at home (with the one loss against La Verne this year and a loss against Trinity (CT) in 2004).
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciacguru on February 14, 2006, 12:51:29 AM
Quote from: Liger Hoops on February 13, 2006, 11:34:09 PM

I don't know the History of past football teams cheering at other events here at Oxy but I can say with the upmost confidence that NO current FB player would have been present at the events you claim to have witnessed. If any of them were, shame on them but not the entire Oxy fanbase. 

It only takes a small number to hurt the whole of the group....and the fans to which I am referring (see how to spell that word Rick Vaughn?) were FB players....not this year...but the last 2 years, when I was present.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: El Tigre on February 14, 2006, 11:17:27 AM
Quote
I have witnessed women's volleyball matches at Eagle Rock where your beloved FB players have been absolutely brutal in their commments that go against Oxy's "Equity" cornerstone.
Quote

sciacguru,
I will come out and take this one.  I have been a football player for the past four years.  I was in attendance at the game you are referring to.  I truly apologize for the years because we were really bad, but those seniors have long since left.  Not saying that the actions of my fellow players were in any way right, but that was two years ago and we are doing a lot to change that aspect of how we act.  As Liger said we are trying to be classier and so far I think we have done just that.  This year's seniors (21 to be exact) are doing a lot to change how people view us and the rest of our school.  We have been commended by our Athletic Director, Dean of Admission, Faculty, Alumni, and to be honest representative from other schools.  I guess what we are trying to say is rather then merely that we are the best at oxy is that oxy is setting an example of how student support should be portrayed at an athletic event.  I think if you came out to a basketball game today you would be beside yourself at how we have changed the way business is dealt with on and off the court.

OxyBob,
Trust me we are doing everything in our power to get as many people to this Saturdays game as we can.  Oswald, Eye of da Tiger and I have some tricks up our sleeve that we think will work in getting people to go.  I hope to see you there this Wednesday against Redlands.  Hey if you want to ride the party bus to CMS this weekend we can put you on the list.  j/k ... hope to talk to you this week.

Eat'em up tigers!!!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on February 14, 2006, 01:49:25 PM
Guru-
Dead on about the huge damage a few louts can do to the reputation of a larger group.  I was at a high school game on Friday where two members of the other school's student body took it upon themselves shoot the moon in front of 1500 people of all ages.  Not only did they demonstrate a gross misunderstanding of the correct time and place for what can be a classic comedic move  ;) they seriously damaged the reputation of their school, which has taken great strides to try and overcome a reputation as the "third" high school in the district. 

As for the game itself...
Can anyone shed any light on why CMS seems to have improved so dramatically over the last month or so?  I'm trying to figure out how this Stag team, who has been very impressive throughout the conference schedule, lost twice to a Chapman team that struck me as decent but not outstanding (recent loss to Santa Cruz)?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TeeDub on February 14, 2006, 01:54:34 PM
Quote from: scandihoovian on February 14, 2006, 01:49:25 PM
Can anyone shed any light on why CMS seems to have improved so dramatically over the last month or so?  I'm trying to figure out how this Stag team, who has been very impressive throughout the conference schedule, lost twice to a Chapman team that struck me as decent but not outstanding (recent loss to Santa Cruz)?

I'll be listening for insight on the rise of Claremont, but I'd also love to hear any theories on the decline of Chapman.  Early in the year, they looked like THE team in the west, starting off 8-0 and looking strong...
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WestCoastWhiner on February 14, 2006, 03:50:41 PM
OxyBob, you and all of the Tiger fans are walking on pins and needles, waiting for the proverbial shoe to drop.  I'm not challenging your analysis, just calling out that your squad is 18-2 and been a solid figure in the top 20 for all of conference play. 

All you Oxy folks need to have more confidence in your players & coaches.  Those kids are winners.  The conference is good this year and it is largely in my view due to everyone watching what someone outside of the Big 3 has done, Oxy, and realizing that if Oxy can do it, maybe they aren't as far off as the inner demons told them they were.  Everyone can play with Oxy and they know it.  

Redlands, CMS & PP will bring their A games, just like they did in the first meetings.  But these kids at the Rock are winners who keep playing like champions.        
                   



Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on February 14, 2006, 09:23:57 PM
My take after reading a good and lively board:

An Oxy loss followed with a win at PP probably gets Oxy in.  Tough to leave out a 22-3 team that is 15-2 in region.

Even IF CMS beats Oxy, they are not home free as they are at Laverne two days later.  ULV is the third best team in the conference right now and, from what I hear, they will be able to play at home.  (I heard this from a player, but was wondering if anyone had an update).

CMS's early in-region losses will hurt if they don't beat Oxy.

I think it's setting up for the March 3-4 regional to be in SoCal.

Be listening tomorrow!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: K.C. on February 15, 2006, 02:30:55 AM
I'm glad to see the subject of rude fan behavior at games has been brought up. There's one particular sickening display of it that I've seen numerous times this season, just about every time I've gone to watch Pomona play an away game (or even home against CMS).  The chants if "You are ugly!" directed at certain reigning Player of the Year makes me sometimes wish Alex would lose his cool and show these terds what ugly really looks like.  Luckily for them, he outwardly does not seem to be bothered by it.  That guy has had to put up with garbage about his looks every season I've watched him play (all four, or five if you include the year he was hurt).  That kind of attack is much more personal than chanting that someone is gay (they probably don't know if they player's gay or not, and chances are he's not).  I'm sure Alex realizes he's not never going to be on the cover of GQ so if you want to get on him about his game than leave it at that.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sagecock on February 15, 2006, 03:30:39 AM
Laverne will be hosting home games I'd assume for the rest of the season (PP will be there this wednesday for sure...that or the players have been misled)

And really, all the "you are ugly" chant demonstrates is a fundemental lack of creativity.  As top academic schools SCIAC fans should really come better prepared then that. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on February 15, 2006, 08:13:55 AM
"You are ugly", or "you are gay" are both entirely classless and completely out of line.

Let's score 200 tonight!  ;D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WestCoastWhiner on February 15, 2006, 12:37:55 PM
KC, tell Lloyd to give Redick a call and he'll understand that how to turn that into a positive.  Personally, I heard 3 CMS coeds commenting after hearing that chant at the CMS game that they don't know where it comes from because they think he is kind of cute. 

A guy at Maryland had a shirt on that read in the front "JJ, I'm going to name my first child after you" and on the back it read "So I can beat him every day".  

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on February 15, 2006, 12:50:59 PM
Quote from: tigersports on February 14, 2006, 09:23:57 PM
My take after reading a good and lively board:

An Oxy loss followed with a win at PP probably gets Oxy in.  Tough to leave out a 22-3 team that is 15-2 in region.

Even IF CMS beats Oxy, they are not home free as they are at Laverne two days later.  ULV is the third best team in the conference right now and, from what I hear, they will be able to play at home.  (I heard this from a player, but was wondering if anyone had an update).

CMS's early in-region losses will hurt if they don't beat Oxy.

I think it's setting up for the March 3-4 regional to be in SoCal.

Be listening tomorrow!

Good points, tigersports.  While I do think CMS will prevail on Saturday, part of the challenge for both CMS and Oxy is the Saturday-Monday twist at the end of the SCIAC schedule.  Seems like both PP and ULV are playing well enough to win on Monday, especially given the short preparation/recovery time.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dj_hyphen on February 15, 2006, 01:16:18 PM
Quote from: WestCoastWhiner on February 15, 2006, 12:37:55 PM
A guy at Maryland had a shirt on that read in the front "JJ, I'm going to name my first child after you" and on the back it read "So I can beat him every day".  

while that got the headlines, this pic is the all time classic:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v121/cgoldens/2.jpg
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciacguru on February 15, 2006, 03:09:37 PM
That is just classic and creative
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D O.C. on February 15, 2006, 04:18:40 PM
QuoteNot only did they demonstrate a gross misunderstanding of the correct time and place for what can be a classic comedic move   they seriously damaged the reputation of their school, which has taken great strides to try and overcome a reputation as the "third" high school in the district. 

oops...that and streaking will get you registered as a sex offender that will stay with you the rest of your life nowadays.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Liger Hoops on February 15, 2006, 08:56:16 PM
Should be an exciting game out in the Rock tonight. Let's hope Oxy can handle the system the way they did in the first meeting. Redlands stayed hot in the first half but cooled in the second. I'm hoping for a blow out for a few reasons: 1 Oxy needs the win to build momentum heading into CMS, 2 I would like to see Oxy be able to use some/more of their bench to save some legs for the looong weekend ahead and 3 Betty's dunks in the first game were unreal and I can't get enough of huge dunks on Redlands.

Just want to know what other people on this board think but who are the best fans in the SCIAC? Obviously I'd be bias to place Oxy at the top (which I am and would), but what do you all think? Top to bottom ...

1) Oxy
2) CMS/P-P (They are all the same anyways, although i think this weekend CMS is going to pack the place)
3) Redlands
4) Cal-Tech ( A band in a gym that holds 75?! Awesome)`
5) Whittier
6) La Verne


Go Tigers!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on February 15, 2006, 11:09:44 PM
Havin trouble with the oxy broadcast anyone?  I can't get it.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: samiam on February 15, 2006, 11:24:24 PM
Quote from: OxyFan21 on February 15, 2006, 11:09:44 PM
Havin trouble with the oxy broadcast anyone?  I can't get it.
I can't get it either. Rats.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on February 15, 2006, 11:29:36 PM
Just got word that there will be no broadcast tonight.  Craig's son broke his leg in a scooter accident.

Any updates would be greatly appreciated.

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: samiam on February 16, 2006, 12:42:45 AM
Games so far:

Cal Lutheran 77, Whittier 67
Claremont-Mudd-Scripps 75, Caltech 37 (sounds like a score from last year)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OXY Oswald on February 16, 2006, 12:49:01 AM
Score from the Rock

Oxy - 120
Redlands - 126

Tough loss for Oxy.  Questionable calls at crucial times by the black and whites, but Redlands got hot towards the end of the second half and Oxy couldn't keep up.  The Tigers missed crucial free throws down the stretch that would have pulled them within 4 or 5.

Amir Mazarei was absolutely lights out for Redlands.  
He dropped 57 points on the Tigers and was 13 for 23 from 3pt range and 12 for 13 from the line.  

Huge games for Oxy this weekend, the Tigers will have to win out.

Go Tigers!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Stags4Life on February 16, 2006, 12:50:28 AM
CMS defeated Caltech 75-37 at Ducey Gymnasium.  Caltech hung tough in the first half similar to the first meeting, the score was 23-23 with a few min left in the first half.  From then on out, CMS dominated. The score was 35-25 at halftime and shortly into the second half, the entire bench was unloaded.

John Parsons led the Stags with 17 points on 4-5 from 3pt land and 6 assists.  Dan Winterbottom added 10 points on 2-4 from 3pt.

Saturday Night is the night and it should be freaking rocking at Ducey Gymnasium. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OXY Oswald on February 16, 2006, 12:51:30 AM
Quote from: Stags4Life on February 16, 2006, 12:50:28 AM
Saturday Night is the night and it should be freaking rocking at Ducey Gymnasium. 

See you there!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Stags4Life on February 16, 2006, 01:04:45 AM
WOW, that's a shocker out of Eagle Rock.  This means that a win on Saturday should just about wrap up the SCIAC for the Stags and Occi must win to force a playoff the next Saturday assuming the teams win out after that.

Regardless, Saturday is gonna be great.  See you there, Oxy fans!

-- Stags4Life
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: K.C. on February 16, 2006, 01:24:59 AM
UNBELIEVABLE!

I have never seen a performance quite like the one Amir Mazarei put on tonight for Redlands.  The guy was absolutely unstoppable.  I wasn't there when Shivers dropped 63 on Whittier a couple of years ago, but even that was against an inferior team, in a game they won by 30.  Oxy knew he was going to get the ball, they knew he was going to shoot it, but there was nothing they could do to stop him.  His range knew no boundaries tonight.

I almost talked myself out of going to the game at Eagle Rock tonight, thinking it wouldn't even be competitive.  I would have been kicking myself if I had.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: mr_rayburn on February 16, 2006, 01:25:18 AM
I was just at the Oxy - Redlands game in Eagle Rock.  It was a very tough loss for the Oxy squad. They were up 10 with about 7 minutes to go in the game.  Then Amir Mazeiri really turned it on.  He put on the best shooting performances I HAVE EVER SEEN! I played against him 2 years ago and he has been one of, if not the best player, at Redlands since stepping foot on the campus, but tonight he was unconscious.  Oxy was doing whatever they could to stay in front of him.  Give the game ball to Amir, he deserves it.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WestCoastWhiner on February 16, 2006, 02:31:10 AM
Sad day.  Those at the game talk to me and tell me how the kid was lighting it up was driving, launching three's, doing anything he wanted.  57 against Oxy which has some young kids who can play D.  Hard to believe.   LV lights it up against them, now Redlands.  Those kids at Oxy are going to be haunted by that for a long time.  57?!?  I don't care if he was pulling from half court, get a stop.  Fortunately for them they have 3 more opportunities to show that they can guard someone without them having a career night against them.  This thing is ALL CMS.  Oxy's kids need to accept that they can win out and still not get a bid (probably not mathematical but a reality they should accept).  Too bad for them and the SCIAC.  Those Oxy kids have had such a great season for their school and really all of the SCIAC.  I hope they can realize the weight is off their shoulders and they can get back to playing like they have something to prove - like they did against Amherst and all of pre-league.  Those kids deserve to finish with their heads held high. 

Then Oxy and all of us can gear up for cheering for the Stags to shed the Big3-one and done-itis. 

       

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 16, 2006, 03:04:52 AM
Quote from: WestCoastWhiner on February 16, 2006, 02:31:10 AMOxy's kids need to accept that they can win out and still not get a bid (probably not mathematical but a reality they should accept).

Not true, WCW. First of all, if they win out it means that they'll have swept CMS and will thus get the Pool A bid via their head-to-head sweep of the Stags. Head-to-head is the SCIAC's first tiebreaker, isn't it? It's everybody else's.

But even if Oxy loses to CMS on Saturday, I think they'll still be alright for a Pool C bid if they then close out the regular season with wins over Pomona-Pitzer and Caltech. Keep in mind that Oxy's currently #1 in the West Region as of Wednesday morning's second NCAA regional ranking. That gives the Tigers an awfully big cushion. And the cushion was enhanced even more this evening by the fact that Buena Vista, which is having an uncharacteristic losing season, rose to the occasion and beat #4 Wartburg.

It's going to take more than one bad night against Redlands to bring Oxy to the brink of the cliff.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Stags4Life on February 16, 2006, 03:16:35 AM
I was under the impression that tiebreakers did not matter in the SCIAC and if there was a tie, then there would be a one-game playoff on Saturday Night at a neutral location.

--Stags4Life
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Liger Hoops on February 16, 2006, 03:19:35 AM
You can't do much when you shoot 74% and a single opposing player puts 57 down on your defense. I think there was one point in the game where Redlands hit 6 or 7 3's in a row with Mazarei hitting about 5 of them. Outstanding performance. Redlands as a team shot 64 3-pointers and hit 28 (43%). At one point in the first half, they were shooting 70% from behind the arc. The hardest part about this loss was the fact that Redlands actually shot far worse in the second half than the first (34% and 53%, respectively). The difference in this game were the free throws. Redlands hit 23-25 to Oxy's dismal 12-25 outing. Oxy's big men had huge games themselves as Betty and Phillips had 71 points and 18 boards between them and shot an astounding 34-40 (85%) from the floor and 3-6 from the line.

Here's hoping the Tigers become Road Warriors these next few games ... Still a ton of basketball to be played.


And a one-game playoff would be the sweetest thing ever to happen in SCIAC.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 16, 2006, 03:31:04 AM
Even if there was a one-game tiebreaker, losing it wouldn't seriously damage Oxy's Pool C chances. They'd end the year 14-3 in the West Region, with a pretty decent QOWI, and they'd still be ranked somewhere in the middle of the region.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on February 16, 2006, 09:26:59 AM
I hope Sager is right.  It certainly would be great to get 2 SCIAC teams into the postseason.  A tough road ahead.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on February 16, 2006, 11:33:31 AM
Redlands win over Oxy certainly makes things more interesting in the conference race, and I hope Sager's right about the possibilities for two SCIAC teams in the playoffs.  Redlands big win, even though it seems to have been primarily the product of an amazing individual shooting performance, unfortunately provides further encouragement for Gary Smith to keep running the system.

Should a playoff be necessary, I would like to offer up Boston Garden West as a neutral site - wouldn't it be a great way to send the WWII aircraft hanger out in style?  :)

Finally - it's good to see the Kingsmen keep hanging tough with a win at Whittier, it would be nice to win the last two home games in the old gym.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TeeDub on February 16, 2006, 11:58:08 AM
Quote from: scandihoovian on February 16, 2006, 11:33:31 AM
Redlands big win, even though it seems to have been primarily the product of an amazing individual shooting performance, unfortunately provides further encouragement for Gary Smith to keep running the system.

That and the win over Cal Lu earlier this year....
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on February 16, 2006, 12:54:56 PM
True enough Jordis - although this year's CLU team is not quite as strong as last year's.  The last men's game in the old gym is against Redlands on Monday night - I'm thinking the Kingsmen will set the record straight.  After all, the Redlands players are usually thrown a little out of whack when their 3s start hitting the ceiling...
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciacguru on February 16, 2006, 02:26:33 PM
I guess the Oxy fans couldnt help the Tigers win at home this time?!?!?!

Hopefully someone nominates Amir for Team of the Week....averaging 46 pts (57 vs Oxy, 47 vs Laverne, and 34 vs CIT) with 36 3s over 7 days.

LaVerne was able to sustain 14 3s from Amir, and still pull out the victory.  So who didnt contribute for Oxy???
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tom Brady on February 16, 2006, 02:40:47 PM
Scandi-  I love the idea of the neutral site being in T.O.  That is about as neutral as it gets, but they would probably do it in Whittier.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Liger Hoops on February 16, 2006, 06:10:19 PM
Quote from: sciacguru on February 16, 2006, 02:26:33 PM
I guess the Oxy fans couldnt help the Tigers win at home this time?!?!?! ...

So who didnt contribute for Oxy???

No fans can stop a guy that scores 57, unfortunately.  It wasn't a matter of who wasn't contributing, Oxy has 4 players in double digits with a few others scoring 8 or 9. One of the most glaring stats of the game was Whitman's non-shooting. How does your best shooter only get 3 shots off the entire game? Obviously, Redland's press defense prohibited any outside shooting (Oxy shot a total of 3 from downtown) and why take outside shots when you can pass down low for an easy basket nearly every possession. And I'm going back to it because it cost them the game but Oxy really bit it hard from the free-throw line. You just have to make them count when a team puts you on the line 25 times.

Who nominates players for team of the week?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dj_hyphen on February 16, 2006, 06:58:16 PM
^^the best shooter thing doesn't really make any difference...the rules go out the window when you play Redlands and each team normally has a designated 'deep' guy to rack up all the points against them.  The only player/team I can remember actually willing to settle for 3's against them and do reasonably well with it was La Verne and Greenlee in particular lighting them up from deep.  So you NEVER need to shoot from outside to beat Redlands...that doesn't seem to be any sort of problem with Oxy's outcome.  The FT shooting however, sounds directly responsible.  But still, remember that even against Redlands, 120 points is PLENTY...they lost because they gave up about 20 more than Redlands should score cause Mazerei pulled a Kobe
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OXY Oswald on February 16, 2006, 07:12:29 PM
Quote from: dj_hyphen on February 16, 2006, 06:58:16 PM
Mazerei pulled a Kobe
Can't wait to see him in the League
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciacguru on February 16, 2006, 07:35:39 PM
Quote from: Jordis Rocks on February 16, 2006, 11:58:08 AM
Quote from: scandihoovian on February 16, 2006, 11:33:31 AM
Redlands big win, even though it seems to have been primarily the product of an amazing individual shooting performance, unfortunately provides further encouragement for Gary Smith to keep running the system.
That and the win over Cal Lu earlier this year....

Nice response Jordis...since those are their only non-Cal Tech wins in conference.

>>The only player/team I can remember actually willing to settle for 3's against them and do reasonably well with it was La Verne and Greenlee in particular lighting them up from deep.  So you NEVER need to shoot from outside to beat Redlands...<<

If this is true then you didnt see the Whittier vs Redlands stat line....
http://www.redlands.edu/prebuilt/pdf/athletics/2006basketball_mens/ur-wc.htm
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 16, 2006, 08:04:37 PM
Nobody seems to have responded to this point, but I believe the one-game tiebreaker in the SCIAC only comes into play if the two tied teams split head to head games. If one team swept the other, the AQ is theirs.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WestCoastWhiner on February 16, 2006, 08:56:31 PM
DJ is dead-on.  Scoring was not a problem for Oxy.  Their guards getting lit up Kobe-style was.  Like A Walker said, "Ain't no way some dude is getting that many off against me, I'd clothesline him."  Said from a guy who has the lateral quickness of a Sumo wrestler.  

Like I said, Oxy's guards are going to be having dreams about that for a long time.   I'm thinking about changing my name to "UsemeLikeI'maGuardFromOxy".    

I can hear Kats talking to his players at half if his backcourt was getting bombed like that:

Kats: Sagehen teams have put up more banners than anyone.  We own this League. How many titles have you guys won? Two?!? You think that is something?!?  You see, pals, this thing is bigger than you. And you guys walk in a gym and expect them to rollover because it says Pomona on your jersey?  Nice guys? I don't give a sh#!. Good students? F you -- go back to Honnold and find a desk!! You wanna play here? Guard someone!! (to Knowles) You think this is abuse? You think this is abuse? You can't take this -- how can you take the abuse you get playing the Stags at their gym?! You don't like it -- leave. I can go out there tonight with our JV team and defend those Redlands guards! Tonight! Can you? Can you? Go and do likewise! A-I-D-A!! Get mad! You sons of female canines! Get mad!! You know what it takes to win in this league?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciacguru on February 16, 2006, 09:07:06 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 16, 2006, 08:04:37 PM
Nobody seems to have responded to this point, but I believe the one-game tiebreaker in the SCIAC only comes into play if the two tied teams split head to head games. If one team swept the other, the AQ is theirs.

Pat,

I dont think that holds true for the SCIAC.  Both teams are considered SCIAC champions but the AQ goes to the winner of the tie breaker game.  Back in 98/99 for the women's side, CLU beat PP both times, but both were 10-2 and they had a tie breaker game for the AQ.

http://cms.claremont.edu/sciac/98-99/women'sbasketball.htm
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 16, 2006, 09:14:33 PM
Quote from: sciacguru on February 16, 2006, 09:07:06 PM
  Both teams are considered SCIAC champions but the AQ goes to the winner of the tie breaker game.

I couldn't care less how the conference chooses to define "title" winners, just the AQ. Automatic qualifier. Bid to the tournament.

If the SCIAC wants to award that automatic bid based on best one out of three, hey, that's its right. But if one team sweeps the other head to head, why should that 0-2 team get a bid to the NCAA tournament by winning one of three?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciacguru on February 16, 2006, 09:18:58 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 16, 2006, 09:14:33 PM
Quote from: sciacguru on February 16, 2006, 09:07:06 PM
  Both teams are considered SCIAC champions but the AQ goes to the winner of the tie breaker game.

I couldn't care less how the conference chooses to define "title" winners, just the AQ. Automatic qualifier. Bid to the tournament.

If the SCIAC wants to award that automatic bid based on best one out of three, hey, that's its right. But if one team sweeps the other head to head, why should that 0-2 team get a bid to the NCAA tournament by winning one of three?

Well Pat, how you care or feel really isnt relevant here, now is it???  Now you understand how the great administrators (presidents) of the SCIAC think.... in particular about athletics.  The other great thing about the SCIAC basketball rules/regulations deals with PP/CMS.  If the schedule comes out and PP/CMS play each other when their students are not back from break.....another schedule must be created, so it works out that they play when the students are back.  Nice little asterik there.  The SCIAC is a bit screwy to say the least.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dj_hyphen on February 17, 2006, 12:11:07 AM
Quote from: sciacguru on February 16, 2006, 07:35:39 PM
>>The only player/team I can remember actually willing to settle for 3's against them and do reasonably well with it was La Verne and Greenlee in particular lighting them up from deep.  So you NEVER need to shoot from outside to beat Redlands...<<

If this is true then you didnt see the Whittier vs Redlands stat line....
http://www.redlands.edu/prebuilt/pdf/athletics/2006basketball_mens/ur-wc.htm

:o nah i didn't see that originally...that's insane shooting by Whittier...so that makes 2 times I've seen teams decide to shoot 3's and handle Redlands...but my main points still remains, it's completely unnecessary

oh, and pardon me for not checking the box of a Redlands/Whittier game :D...
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on February 17, 2006, 01:15:57 AM
Nice historical citation, Guru.  I did not know that about the SCIAC playoff. 

Well played.

Hyphen - I wouldn't have checked the Whittier Redlands box either but I'll give Guru props again for the research skills...
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Howlinwolf on February 17, 2006, 10:26:46 AM
A question for the SCIAC pundits: Does Oxy have a legitimate shot at CMC on Saturday? Seems the Stags are peaking and the Tigers are sagging. If so, what will it take for Oxy to triumph?

An aside. Speaking of fan chants, one of the worst of the non-vulgar lot is "overrated." In essence you're broadcasting to your team that they haven't played especially well; rather, the team that was favored just isn't that good. Nice way to deflate the effort of your own squad. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dj_hyphen on February 17, 2006, 11:50:29 AM
^^true, it's like when Villanova knocked off UCONN a few days ago and their fans rushed the court...i know it's a big win, but yall were #4 in the country and actually ranked higher than the Huskies in RPI...settle down and don't look so surprised


anyway, of course Oxy can win.  CMS is good, but they're nowhere near some legendary 72-10 Bulls type squad...Oxy needs to keep Maceira off the boards and Parsons from having a big game.  Taylor's really good, but he won't beat you by himself.  Betty obviously has to have a monster game as well.

that said, after the CMS/PP game, I had CMS winning out and taking league...and that was before Oxy/Redlands
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Liger Hoops on February 17, 2006, 12:47:04 PM
Quote from: Howlinwolf on February 17, 2006, 10:26:46 AM
A question for the SCIAC pundits: Does Oxy have a legitimate shot at CMC on Saturday? Seems the Stags are peaking and the Tigers are sagging. If so, what will it take for Oxy to triumph?

As the DJ said, of course Oxy can win.  The key to Oxy's win against CMS at home this year was the defense that held the Stags to 48 points (Lowest output of the season?). Oxy controlled the tempo of the game and held on in the end with free throws. CMS is extremely difficult to play at home (anywhere, really) and Oxy knows that as well as anybody. I think if the Tigers are going to leave CMS with a victory, 3 things need to happen. 1) Again as Hyphen said, Betty needs a huge game. Something like 20 and 8. 2) Phillips needs to board like a mad man. Although I'm not entirely sure how good of a rebounder Maceira is but Taylor is #1 in conference in RPG, with Phillips right behind him. The Tigers MUST pull down more offensive boards than the 5 they did against Redlands and keep CMS from getting anywhere near the 15 offensive they gave up to the Bulldogs. If Redlands can cash in on those extra chances, CMS can. And 3) Defense, defense, defense. We've seen the polar extremes of Oxy's D this season, the intense D that held CMS to 48 and P-P to 52 and the D that gave up 82 to La Verne and about 1000 points to Mazerei.

Does CMS have anyone that can consitently hit 3's? It seems that the weakness of the Oxy D is found on the perimeter. Both Redlands and La Verne were setting screen after screen to set up looks for thier shooters so look for CMS to do the same.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Stags4Life on February 17, 2006, 02:24:48 PM
Oxy has a chance, but it will be extremely tough.  CMS is undefeated at home this year, as Oxy was before Wednesday night.  The gym should be rocking.  I think it has potential to be close to a CMS-Pomona type game from what I hear.  Occi seems to be bringing to busloads of students and the CMS crowd will definitely be there along with the usual alumni from both sides.  Should be a great one.  Hope to see you all there. GO CMS!

-- Stags4Life
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Stags4Life on February 17, 2006, 02:25:56 PM
Check that, apparently both SCIAC losses have been at home for Oxy this year, quite surprising.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 17, 2006, 02:31:10 PM
Quote from: sciacguru on February 16, 2006, 09:18:58 PM
Well Pat, how you care or feel really isnt relevant here, now is it??? 

Agreed, but it doesn't keep it from being stupid. :)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciacguru on February 17, 2006, 03:31:20 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 17, 2006, 02:31:10 PM
Agreed, but it doesn't keep it from being stupid. :)
You just summed up the SCIAC.......

Quote from: Liger Hoops on February 17, 2006, 12:47:04 PM
As the DJ said, of course Oxy can win. The key to Oxy's win against CMS at home this year was the defense that held the Stags to 48 points (Lowest output of the season?).  The Tigers MUST pull down more offensive boards than the 5 they did against Redlands and keep CMS from getting anywhere near the 15 offensive they gave up to the Bulldogs.

I believe CMS only scored 43 against Whittier (15 pts in the 2nd half)  Its tough to get O boards when you shoot 74% or get fouled.  But you are right on keeping CMS off the glass, which Oxy does a great job.  But more importantly, Oxy must keep them out of the paint on their cutting game.

Quote from: dj_hyphen on February 17, 2006, 12:11:07 AM
oh, and pardon me for not checking the box of a Redlands/Whittier game :D...
No problem....if I didnt, I couldnt represent my handle then, could I? ;D

And to talk about impressive dunks.............OH MY!!!!! :o

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Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dj_hyphen on February 17, 2006, 04:37:01 PM
great pic...here's another recent one...from someone slightly above the Sciac level:

edit:  aw it won't let me hotlink, nevermind...
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Howlinwolf on February 17, 2006, 08:46:06 PM
Thanks to the "pundits" who posted opinions on the pending Tiger-Stag match-up. No matter the outcome, Ducey should be electric.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OXY Oswald on February 18, 2006, 06:30:42 PM
I find myself wondering how big Ducey is?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Stags4Life on February 18, 2006, 06:55:59 PM
I think Ducey can hold around 1300 seated people but the Pomona-CMS games sometimes approach 1400-1500 because of the standing room areas.

-- Stags4Life
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on February 18, 2006, 11:55:38 PM
56-52 cms, 1.43 left
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on February 18, 2006, 11:58:38 PM
58-52, 22.1
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on February 19, 2006, 12:03:46 AM
62-55 CMS Final
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dj_hyphen on February 19, 2006, 01:06:36 AM
so CMS wraps up league right?  it was pretty much a forgone conclusion after beating PP last week anyway.  congrats to them, hopefully Oxy can still make the tourney as an at large
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Stags4Life on February 19, 2006, 01:12:25 AM
I wouldn't say it was a forgone conclusion, but CMS took care of business tonight defeating Occidental in front of a packed Ducey Gymnasium.  The gym was rocking from the tip and the game did not dissapoint.  The game was close the entire way but similar to the Pomona game, CMS held a small lead throughout and pulled it out with their great defense and some costly Oxy turnovers in the end. 

The nets were cut down at  Ducey Gymnasium as the Stags clinched the CO-Championship tonight.  They must win one of their next two games to become the outright champions and earn an automatic bid to the NCAA tournament.

Great win for the Stags.  Mani Maceria came up huge with a big 2-handed dunk on Sam Betty and maybe even another Tiger around there.  He hit numerous 15 foot jumpshots as Zach Phillips was sagging off him for some reason.  These jumpers were the Stags main offense in the final 5 min.  John Parsons and Miles Taylor also led the Stags as Parsons controlled the offense and Taylor was unstoppable in the post fouling out Kostic late in the game.  For Oxy, Phillips had a big game and Connor Whitman hit a few big threes to keep Oxy in it late.  Betty was solid but did not have a huge MVP caliber game.  In the end, the  Stags pulled it out as they have done all of the SCIAC except for their lone loss.  Congrats to the SCIAC Champion STAGS!

--Stags4Life
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Stags4Life on February 19, 2006, 01:37:17 AM
Here's the Box: http://cms.claremont.edu/team/men%27sbasketball/05-06/oxy-cms.htm#GAME.BOX

As far as the All-SCIAC teams go, I would say Taylor gets MVP with Parsons and Maceira getting first team nods.  The other two starters, Winterbottom and Borengasser, will probably end up on the second team.  Anyone else have predictions for the entire league?

I am hoping Occidental can take care of business next week so we can get two SCIAC teams in the tournament.

--Stags4Life
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 19, 2006, 02:10:57 AM
This only clinches a tie for the title -- Oxy could win out and finish 11-3, with CMS losing out and finishing 11-3, forcing a playoff.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sagecock on February 20, 2006, 01:17:09 AM
Following saturday's PP-CLU game I'm glad to report that Cal Lu's fans remain some of the classiest in the SCIAC.  Improving upon their inventive "you are gay" chant began during the Oxy game, Cal Lu's fans took a page from another religious institution and began chanting "Brokeback Mountain" at Pomona's Tom Hollo while he was shooting freethrows.  It's reassuring to know that Cal Lu fans are watching the news and staying abrest of current social debates.

http://www.kirotv.com/sports/7011667/detail.html?rss=sea&psp=sports

As always, you stay classy Cal Lu

p.s.  Looking foward to the Oxy-PP game tommorow night, hopefully the Hens can bring it and pull down a 2nd place finish for this season
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 20, 2006, 03:18:32 AM
Alright, I gotta ask -- is there a reading problem in Southern California?

I ask because this week I got two e-mails and a phone call from readers asking why we didn't note Amir Mazerei's 57 points and Redlands' win against Occidental on the front page.

Of course, we did note it on the front page, about an hour after the game was over, in fact.

Tonight I got an e-mail from a Claremont-McKenna student asking why we hadn't posted CMS' win against Occidental on the front page. And of course, we did post it on the front page, mere minutes after the game ended!

What is the deal, people? Is it too much to read the front page before complaining??
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: K.C. on February 20, 2006, 10:37:30 AM
Excellent game played by CMS to clinch a share of the SCIAC Saturday.  They truly proved they are the best team in the conference.  My respect for Scalmanini as a coach has continued to grow over the last few years - this year he got  more out of his players than anyone else.  This is his first conference title with players he recruited solely ('02 seniors Donlan & Co. had been recruited by Coach Wells).  He also seems to be a really cool guy, going out of his way to say "hello" or "thanks" to the fans before or after a game.

Nice effort by Phillips in the Oxy loss.  He seemed to want it more than the rest of his team combined - probably because he's a senior and won't get another shot.  Glad that he won it at least once with the 2003 squad.

I was very impressed with the Oxy turnout Saturday, and with the way they handled themselves.  In my opinion, they are overall the classiest, most knowledgeable and most supportive fans in the conference.  If Oxy Bob or any any other Oxy poster has influence in this, they are to be commended.

BTW, nice summary of the game itself, Stags4Life.  I would have posted my own but there was really nothing much I could add to what you posted.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Howlinwolf on February 20, 2006, 05:02:29 PM
Good call, K.C., regarding the Oxy fans. I concur. Credit must go to the student "ringleaders" of the Oxy cheering section.  They set the standard, and they've been incredible representatives of Oxy all year. My hats off to them. While the CMS crowd chipped in with their "BS" and "Claremont rejects" chants, the Oxy fans maintained their poise and class. Good students, good people.

An Oxy win tonight may insure double SCIAC inclusion in the playoffs. Hope they bring their 'A' game.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on February 20, 2006, 05:52:43 PM
I am sitting here anxious for the game tonight @ PP.  When the schedule first came out, I noticed the @ CMS, @ PP matchups towards the end of the year.  Two trips to Claremont in two days is never easy, regardless of what's at stake.

Win tonight first, then win vs. Caltech on Thursday.  The   Caltech game cannot be overlooked either. 

GO TIGERS!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OXY Oswald on February 20, 2006, 06:23:24 PM
Quote from: K.C. on February 20, 2006, 10:37:30 AM
I was very impressed with the Oxy turnout Saturday, and with the way they handled themselves.  In my opinion, they are overall the classiest, most knowledgeable and most supportive fans in the conference.  If Oxy Bob or any any other Oxy poster has influence in this, they are to be commended.

Thanks for the compliment.  Myself, Eye of the Tiger, and El Tigre are actually helping Coach Newhall out with the rooter buses and organizing the student section. 

Can't wait for the game tonight.  Whitman had a huge game against Pomona in the first half of SCIAC play [9-17 FG%, including 6 three pointers], and Betty who's been in a funk lately played a great game against the Sagehens finishing with 17 points and 8 rebounds.  Look for them to take control of the game and lead the Tigers to a "W".

Go Tigers!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Stags4Life on February 20, 2006, 07:03:14 PM
Quote from: K.C. on February 20, 2006, 10:37:30 AM
BTW, nice summary of the game itself, Stags4Life.  I would have posted my own but there was really nothing much I could add to what you posted.

Thanks K.C., I was also impressed with the Oxy fans, they are very supportive and classy.  They even clapped for CMS as the crowd rushed the floor.  Although, I am not a fan of the "**** the Tigers" chants, I do not mind the "Claremont Rejects" chant.  There is definitely a line that is crossed many times by fans and the Oxy fans are really good at never crossing it.  Credit goes out mostly to the students who lead the chants as the other fans just follow along. 

As far as Scalmanini goes, I think he is one of the best, if not the best coach in the SCIAC right now.  He utilized what he had this year to its full potential and really got the best out of his players.  He is a great guy on and off the court and I look forward to see how much he can accomplish during the rest of his career.

Good Luck to Oxy tonight at Pomona and hopefully CMS can clinch the automatic berth at La Verne. 

--Stags4Life
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on February 21, 2006, 12:13:46 AM
Oxy 56
Pomona-Pitzer 56
OT

Knowles hits a 3 with 5 seconds left to tie the game for Pomona.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Lord Chaos on February 21, 2006, 12:25:42 AM
Knowles can hit that three.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on February 21, 2006, 12:26:50 AM
Oxy  63
Pomona-Pitzer 67

Final.

Oxy had a chance, but did not get  three important defensive boards.  PP scores the last 7 of OT.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Lord Chaos on February 21, 2006, 12:28:44 AM
is anyone following the stags vs. la verne game?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fosheezie on February 21, 2006, 12:39:43 AM
Great to see the Sagecocks get a big win over Oxy.  My man Knowles is great under pressure.  Too bad it gets the Stags the title.  But the difference between PP, Oxy, and CMS, is who gets the bounces or makes that one play at the end.  All losses PP has had are close ones, so the SCIAC once again proves to be very even.

On a memorable note.  Last game ever for the Kingsman in their airplane hanger.  No more deadspots, bad flip scoreboards, non-inventive football geeks, or Coach Daines yelling in your ear what you are running before it is even called.  They will move across the street in a building that will do nothing but strengthen their recruiting and make them tougher next year.  Already my prediction for next year is a Kingsmen title.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Lord Chaos on February 21, 2006, 12:43:36 AM
i don't think thats true about cms, pp and oxy being diffrentiated by their last minute plays. in the past games, its been clear that cms has been the dominant team, seeing as it that they beat oxy by a fair margin. i do see that pp lost by 5 points in the last game, but they lost by a larger margin in the first stags vs p-p game in ducey. its probably tempting to say that all three are that close, but at the same time, i think that stats speak for themselves. plus, if u actually watched the games, like many of us did, it is quite clear that cms has been the strongest out of the three .
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Lord Chaos on February 21, 2006, 12:54:31 AM
just so everyone knows, the stags beat laverne by 5 or something tonight.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dj_hyphen on February 21, 2006, 12:56:16 AM
i don't think Fosheezie is arguing that...CMS is clearly the class of the SCIAC this year...but to say they're head and shoulders ahead of Oxy or PP isn't really accurate.  Granted, they blew out the Hens in the first match up, but if PP doesn't drop that horrible choke job at Whittier and Parsons doesn't get that loose ball and dunk it at Pomona, you never know man

with that said, congrats to the Stags...begrudgingly :-\
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Lord Chaos on February 21, 2006, 01:04:43 AM
Quote from: fosheezie on February 21, 2006, 12:39:43 AM
But the difference between PP, Oxy, and CMS, is who gets the bounces or makes that one play at the end. 

I made my point in response to that. I think its very clear that that was what he was arguing. I see what you are saying, and I agree with you, CMS isn't head and shoulders above oxy or pomona, but to say that they are better only by such a miniscule amount (as quote above) is incorrect. Oxy has Betty, PP has Knowles and Lloyd, but CMS has Miles Taylor, Mani Maceira, and John Parsons. That's hard to top.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciacguru on February 21, 2006, 01:16:11 AM
Yes, CMS has the better TEAM this year and their record exemplifies that!!!  But DJ hyphen is right, with saying that a few bounces in a different direction, CMS could easily be 2nd or 3rd.  They do have 5 guys that all can shoot a little, dribble a little, pass, and make the fewest mistakes.  They have 5 complete players.  But they arent HEADS and SHOULDERS (or a miniscule amount) above Oxy and PP.....plus you forgot to mention PP's best player in Wexlor-Beron.  That guy hit some unreal jump shots at CLU to keep the Kingsmen at bay on Saturday.

Just like Oxy when they went 14-0, they had some luck on their side to win it....you need it to win the SCIAC. Whether it be a bounce, or an injury....luck plays a part in winning titles.

Great win for the Kingsmen for their final home game in the HANGER!!  Sergei's dunk was the last pts scored in the HOUSE!!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Lord Chaos on February 21, 2006, 01:26:07 AM
Quote from: sciacguru on February 21, 2006, 01:16:11 AM
a few bounces in a different direction, CMS could easily be 2nd or 3rd. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Lord Chaos on February 21, 2006, 01:31:19 AM
that is completely untrue. Ur right, luck does have an element in any sports game. a few bounces in a different direction could be said for any game! saying that alone is being a sore loser, and any athlete knows that. Additionally, consider this: the stags beat the sagehens twice, the first being with a fairly large margin. they lost to oxy the first timeby four points, that is true. but then they came back the next game and beat them by seven points, with mani maceira dunking in sam betty's and another defender's face. saying that a few bounces in a direction could place CMS in the second easily at that point is ridiculous. there is a point where luck ceases to be a factor, and CMS crossed that.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: K.C. on February 21, 2006, 01:53:47 AM
What the heck happened at the Claremont - LaVerne game?  I went to that game first tonight, but left early to check out the PP-Oxy second half.  The reason I left early was that CMS was up 40 to 15!  They were hitting all their shots, and LaVerne was stinking their gym up so bad you couldn't smell the new paint.  I'd like to know if the Stags simply tanked the second half to squeak it out by 2, or LaVerne got red hot.  Stags4Life or another poster who may have seen the whole game, please let me know.

The consolation of leaving that game early was that Oxy-PP was a great game.  I'm not really partial to any particular team, but I was hoping Oxy would pull it out and save their shot at a possible playoff birth.  Do you suppose their non-conference record could still get them in?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OXY Oswald on February 21, 2006, 02:10:47 AM
Outstanding game in Pomona tonight, unfortunately the Tigers didn't come out on top.  The Tigers played great basketball, especially during the second half.  Knowles three in the closing seconds of regulation was unreal.  Great shot, though I thought his foot might have been on the line  :-\.

Thought the Tigers played well in the overtime period. Justin Zebb got control of a loose ball inside of the last minute of OT and attempted to call a time out, the ref called for a jump.  It took an important possesion away from the Tigers.

Congrats to Claremont on the SCIAC title.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OXY Oswald on February 21, 2006, 02:11:23 AM
Pat -

What is Oxy's chance at still getting a bid to the tournament?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Lord Chaos on February 21, 2006, 02:13:59 AM
hey K.C, that was an insane game. ur right, the stags were killin La Verne, but the second half was just unreal. La Verne was doin everything right, they hit their shots, made their assists, got their boards, pretty much a perfect comeback. at the last point, it came down to the three pointers and Parsons' free throws, both of which were not successful. So the Stags held their lead, but it was definitely much too close.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Stags4Life on February 21, 2006, 02:17:22 AM
CMS defeated La Verne 71-69 at the Tents on Monday Night.  The Stags jumped on the Leopards early building a 44-19 halftime lead.  The Leopards then jumped on the Stags closing the gap to 4 with 8 min left.  The game was back and forth from them on, but whenever CMS needed a big shot, Miles Taylor got it for them.  The refereeing was terrible down the stretch as one ref(the bald one) clearly tried to make every call and every one of those calls benefited La Verne.  CMS never trailed the entire game and once again their great defense pulled it out for them in the end.  Miles Taylor finished with 23 points and 9 rebounds on 8-12 FG and 7-7 FT.  I think it's clear who is the MVP of the SCIAC. 

As to how La Verne came back, they just brought more energy in the second half after getting slaughtered in the first.  They actually appeared to have a defense and they hit quite a few threes with hand in face.  Senior Guard, Adrian Ferrera hit 3 huge threes after only having 3 of them the entire year.  Also, seniors Chris Jackson and Bryan Mallon were big in the second half.  Jason Greenlee was practically nonexistant smothered by the Stag Defense. 

The Stags pulled out a narrow victory but their victory did win them the SCIAC Championship outright, not the Oxy loss.  And I do believe that CMS is clearly the better team in the SCIAC this year and I also think this is more apparent this year than in previous years.  CMS had some blowouts and they had some close games but they always finished and it was not because of good luck.  CMS did not choke to teams like Whittier, La Verne, and Redlands; CMS took care of business all year and thats why they are the SCIAC Champions, not because a few bounces went their way.  CMS has the best defense I have seen in the SCIAC in years and it should yield them sucess in the upcoming tournament and hopefully some national respect.

Congrats to the 2006 SCIAC Champion Stags!

--Stags4Life
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Lord Chaos on February 21, 2006, 02:21:06 AM
THANK YOU Stags4Life. I'm gonna have to say a big resounding I AGREE.
LETS GO SCIAC 2006 CHAMPIONS CMS STAGS!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: K.C. on February 21, 2006, 02:28:50 AM
Thanks. guys.  Wish I could have been in two places at once.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Stags4Life on February 21, 2006, 02:47:31 AM
Oh My God, I just read this: http://d3hoops.com/releases.php?release=46789

Whittier did not deserve to win that game.  If that Caltech center woulda made his other free throw or perhaps Caltech's two best players would not have fouled out with 3 min left in regulation, then Caltech might have won.  Wow, I was sure rooting for Carlson and Ivy to get this win and I am kind of dissapointed they will probably graduate without a SCIAC win, they are two hard working basketball players and deserve respect.  Carlson should make one of the all-SCIAC teams, but its a shame to see that Caltech might not have as good of a chance to win next year without their two best players, Carlson and Ivy.

--Stags4Life
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 21, 2006, 02:54:39 AM
Quote from: Stags4Life on February 21, 2006, 02:47:31 AM
Oh My God, I just read this: http://d3hoops.com/releases.php?release=46789

Whittier did not deserve to win that game.  If that Caltech center woulda made his other free throw or perhaps Caltech's two best players would not have fouled out with 3 min left in regulation, then Caltech might have won.  Wow, I was sure rooting for Carlson and Ivy to get this win and I am kind of dissapointed they will probably graduate without a SCIAC win, they are two hard working basketball players and deserve respect.  Carlson should make one of the all-SCIAC teams, but its a shame to see that Caltech might not have as good of a chance to win next year without their two best players,

Sigh. The prince married an ugly stepsister and left Cinderella languishing at home. Snow White was not resuscitated in time. Santa Claus was shot down by a NORAD surface-to-air missile.

Sometimes you just can't buy a happy ending.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dj_hyphen on February 21, 2006, 02:56:08 AM
Quote from: Lord Chaos on February 21, 2006, 01:31:19 AM
Additionally, consider this: the stags beat the sagehens twice, the first being with a fairly large margin. they lost to oxy the first timeby four points, that is true. but then they came back the next game and beat them by seven points, with mani maceira dunking in sam betty's and another defender's face.


:D :D :D :D :D man, i got no beef with you...but you sound like you're in 7th grade here.  First off, the idea of saying 'yeah we lost by 4, but then we beat them by 7!!!!" is fairly asinine...games decided by less than 10 are generally pretty close, and often skewed at the end by game extending free throws...the fact that you came out a measely plus 3 in point differential really doesn't prove anything, so calm down.  And tossing in the fact that maceira put two tigers on a poster means absolutely nothing in terms of the overall abilities of the team...that's something that a middle schooler would say

"we only one by 7, but we had huge DUNKS!  yaaaaaay!  that should be worth more points!"

perhaps I read that part wrong, but that's the general vibe i got from it  :D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 21, 2006, 04:44:04 AM
Quote from: OXY Oswald on February 21, 2006, 02:11:23 AM
Pat -

What is Oxy's chance at still getting a bid to the tournament?

I don't know if Pat will get around to this room tonight, so I'll try to answer your question. Oxy is in serious trouble as far as a Pool C bid is concerned. There's never a good time of year to go on a three-game losing streak, but doing it at the end of the season, when you're playing nothing but regional games, is the worst possible timing.

Oxy came into this seven-day ranking period in great shape. Even though they were tied with CMS for the SCIAC lead, they were ranked first in the West Region due to a very good QOWI and an 11-1 (.917) regional record that far outstripped anyone else's in the WR. Now, however, they've slipped dramatically in both of those important categories. Coming into tonight's game at Pomona-Pitzer the Tigers had slipped to 26th in the nation in QOWI (10.071). After tonight's loss their QOWI dips to 9.867, which would put them 40th in the nation. That's bubble territory. What's worse is that their remaining game is at home against hapless Caltech. Even a win can only damage the Tigers' QOWI further, because a home win over Caltech is worth only eight QOWI points. That would reduce Oxy's QOWI to a final total of 9.750. By current national QOWI standards, that'd put them in 44th place. Playing Caltech, in other words, becomes a lose-lose contest for the Tigers.

Regional rankings only cover games thru Sunday, so this loss to Pomona-Pitzer won't be reflected in the West Region rankings that'll come out on Wednesday. But the Tigers lost two games in that last ranking period, and only two West Region ranked teams (Wartburg and UW-LaCrosse) lost a game -- they each went 1-1 for the week. Look for Oxy to wind up fourth or fifth in this week's ranking, and then to drop further in the final ranking that only the committee sees on Selection Monday. They may be seventh or eighth in that ranking, or they may even drop out entirely, depending upon how Whitworth or Willamette fares in the NWC tourney.

My guess is that Oxy is not yet out of the Pool C running, but their prospects are dire.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on February 21, 2006, 08:41:20 AM
Besides being an Oxy Alum, I am also a Maryland native.  See the connection, at least in most years (and how I like to think of it in my mind). 

PP                 Duke
CMS              UNC
Oxy               MD


Oh, the bubble.  I think playing Caltech in our final game hurts, but who knows, maybe everyone that is supposed to win their conferences will...(How about a SCIAC tournament.  Oh, I'm dreaming). 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OXY Oswald on February 21, 2006, 12:23:27 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 21, 2006, 04:44:04 AM
I don't know if Pat will get around to this room tonight, so I'll try to answer your question.

Thannks. Great run down, but it sounds bleek for the Tigers tournament chances.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dj_hyphen on February 21, 2006, 12:33:07 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 21, 2006, 12:06:43 PM
dj_hyphen:

>>And tossing in the fact that maceira put two tigers on a poster means absolutely nothing in terms of the overall abilities of the team...that's something that a middle schooler would say<<

The best shot of the night was one by Taylor. He drove the baseline righthanded, but was too far under the basket to shoot, so while in the air he switched hands and spun the ball in lefthanded.

OxyBob


sounds awesome, i'll give him 10 points for that one
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WestCoastWhiner on February 21, 2006, 01:01:17 PM
Another interesting year in the SCIAC.  Stags came out of nowhere, with inner turmoil and early season losses, to pull it together and play like Champions.  Great job by their staff.  Let's hope they lose the one-and-done-itis that plagues our conference.  If our 3rd best team can spank Amherst, maybe the Stags won't be as fearful.  

2006 Notes from the Sideline:

a.   Shocking conference performance by the Hens.  Two Ls to the Stags, enough said.
b.  Stags championship.  Brace yourself Hen fans, the balance of power among the big three just shifted across campus.
c.  Rare season where one of the Big 3 was knocked off its position.  Look for CLU to rebound next year and put Oxy back in the bottom tier.  
d.  Miles best player, hands down.
e.  Betty ties with PP's starters for biggest personal disappointment.  Strip out the Redlands game on the Road and any SCIAC coach who puts him on the 1st team only does so as an appreciation for his utter domination of Amherst.  The guy's average at best rebounding, defending and passing skills were exploited all conference long.
f.  PP's starters, 2 banners coming in to the year then two Ls to pretty much them same Stag team as last year, enough said.  
g.   Redlands W against Oxy unfortunately for all of us probably will keeps the system in tact.  Can someone please tell me why Coach Smith has Wooden status out there?
h.  Oxy guards giving up 57 to Redlands guard at home in a crucual game for the Tigers.  Yeeeouuchhh!
i.  Whittier continues to be thorn in PP's side.
j.  Oxy undefeated in 1st half of league, 4 Ls in the second half.  Thanks for giving us some national recognition boys, now give us your seat and get to the back of the bus.  
k.  With this board alive and bumping, what better time than a 3 or 4 team conference tournament!  
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bballfan2 on February 21, 2006, 01:46:03 PM
"Knowles three in the closing seconds of regulation was unreal.  Great shot, though I thought his foot might have been on the line"


Oxy Oswald, I hada great view and can assure you it wasn't on the line.

Quote from: WestCoastWhiner on February 21, 2006, 01:01:17 PM
i.  Whittier continues to be thorn in PP's side.

Over the past 3 seasons Whittier is 1-5 against Pomona, over the past 4 they are 2-6 splitting with an injury depleted pomona team that was also affected by players going abroad in 2002-2003. I'd hardly call that a thorn in the side.

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TeeDub on February 21, 2006, 01:52:57 PM
Quote from: bballfan2 on February 21, 2006, 01:46:03 PM

Quote from: WestCoastWhiner on February 21, 2006, 01:01:17 PM
i.  Whittier continues to be thorn in PP's side.

Over the past 3 seasons Whittier is 1-5 against Pomona, over the past 4 they are 2-6 splitting with an injury depleted pomona team that was also affected by players going abroad in 2002-2003. I'd hardly call that a thorn in the side.



I hate it when facts get in the way...   ;D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on February 21, 2006, 02:04:54 PM
Congrats to the stags on getting to the top.

These past 4 weeks showed us who would jump out to the top between P-P, the Stags and Oxy. All three 3 showed their best.


Btw--- I must agree with about two points that westcoast pointed out (the rest of them are just nonsense). Points A and B knocked on the door about what happen to the Hens and the stags. No doubt that both turned heads around.
However, this does not mean you have to put Oxy down. THey did everything in their power in both Offense and defense to stay at the top. (Sure oxy will need to be better i ntheir D next year). So my hats off to them.

Heres to hoping that two Sciac teams go into post-play
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WestCoastWhiner on February 21, 2006, 02:31:59 PM
Any bottom tier team that takes a game from Kats is a thorn in PP's side.  His won-loss record against Wh, Red & LV is sick.  Whittier got PP once this year and almost got them on the road.  Granted, a slight exaggeration on Betty (he should get some 1st team votes because he still is a monster on O who teams have to focus on).  Maybe I was harsh on Oxy but up until mid-way through SCIAC they raised the bar so high, it is difficult not to comment on the collapse.      

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on February 21, 2006, 02:42:25 PM
WCW, I am in agreement with most of what you said.  However, this was NOT the same CMS team as last year.  Didn't see CalLu play, but Maceira was the best newcomer and was a big difference maker and put them over the top.  (Sorry for the run-on).   I'd be careful with that balance of power thing, as well.  I think the league will be up for grabs with Taylor, Parsons, W-Beron and Lloyd (finally!) leaving campus. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on February 21, 2006, 02:47:17 PM
Oxy's issue were perimter D.  Laverne shot the lights out, Whittier did, for a half, and UOR did.    CMS was just better.

As for last night, let's face it, PP got a ton of breaks last night (65% team hitting all but 3 FT's, unbelievable bounces on Knowles' 3 and Porter's FT, the tie-up that could've gone either way), not to mention picking up a Jordan-esque foul call just about every time they went to the basket.  Not to take anything away from PP"s gritty effort, and I know I'll get static from the PP faithful, but karma was on their side last night.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sagecock on February 21, 2006, 02:59:03 PM
Quoteg.   Redlands W against Oxy unfortunately for all of us probably will keeps the system in tact.  Can someone please tell me why Coach Smith has Wooden status out there?

I'm pretty sure it has something to do with hime being the AD, I imagine a conversation like this occuring at the end of this season:

AD Smith: Coach, we need to make a change at the top.  Somthing is just not working with this system.
Coach Smith:  I disagree, did you see that you beat Oxy?
AD Smith:  That was pretty impressive...
Coach Smith:  You can say that again, Maziari is unreal!  Why if I could get in another 4 players like him we'd be SCIAC champs!
AD SMith:  Jesus, you're right!  Welcome back for another year Coach.

tigersports:  Karma being what it may, there were questionable calls in both Oxy-PP games...I've been on the end of great SCIAC officiating myself, so I say, forget playing the "well if this had happened..." game and lets just agree that SCAIC officiating is less than terrific

WestCoast:  As far as the balance of power shifting across 6th, I'd say it will definitely be interesting next year.  Hens return Knowles (best PG in the league), Porter, Haydir and Jabari Reynolds.  Reynolds didn't contribute as much as he should have this year to issues outside of his control, but look for him to provide some offensive spark that the Hens were missing this year.  True the stags get Maciera and 4 other substantial contributers back, but they lose Parsons and Taylor, two HUGE contributers.  If anything, I'd argue that next year is entirely up for grabs.

I'll be out at the Redlands-PP game on Thursday along with 30 other Pomona rowdies...hopefully we can send a great senior class out with a win.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OXY Oswald on February 21, 2006, 03:22:28 PM
Quote from: bballfan2 on February 21, 2006, 01:46:03 PM
"Knowles three in the closing seconds of regulation was unreal.  Great shot, though I thought his foot might have been on the line"


Oxy Oswald, I hada great view and can assure you it wasn't on the line.

I'll take your word for it, Oxy fans were on the other side of the court.  We did have a great view for the blown jump ball call towards the end of the OT period.  Zebb had control and was calling for a timeout.

Just a bounce that went PP's way.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 21, 2006, 03:37:30 PM
I just wanted to say, it's great to see so much activity on this board and I hope you guys a) follow football and b) come back next November for basketball!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TeeDub on February 21, 2006, 04:07:36 PM
Quote from: Sagecock on February 21, 2006, 02:59:03 PM
Quoteg.   Redlands W against Oxy unfortunately for all of us probably will keeps the system in tact.  Can someone please tell me why Coach Smith has Wooden status out there?

I'm pretty sure it has something to do with hime being the AD

Again, I hate when facts get in the way...Gary Smith is NOT the AD at Redlands...and the comparison to Wooden is more than likely a comparison to the man, not the coach.  And, very few can compare to Wooden on either level.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on February 21, 2006, 04:33:25 PM
Sagecock, I couldn't agree more about SCIAC officiating, a point that we make quite often on our broadcasts (subtly and otherwise).   It's part of the game like bad lights at Oxy or a short floor at CalLu.  My point really was that bad officiating evens out over a long haul, like bad hops in baseball, lucky bounces in football, etc.  In other words, it's a random distribution of ineptitude.  There are always anomalies in random distributions and last night's was one.  They called that crappy jump ball, missed a key goaltending call anc called everything when a man went to the hoop, regardless of contact, so credit PP for recognizing that.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WestCoastWhiner on February 21, 2006, 05:01:15 PM
PC, use your magic to get Oxy in and we'll do one better, we'll stay here all summer      8).

Sage, that imaginary conversation still has me on the ground.

OxyBob, I agree with you and love how you coined the Redlands's system as a travelling freak show. 

I'm going to revise my Betty opinion just based on one play alone.  When Lloyd went in to flush it on him last night and he blocked it with two hands and came down with the ball, I think he made a statement about the ongoing debate here this year about who is the better athlete.   Lloyd got the last laugh with the W but he'll be shaking his head about that play by Betty for some time.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 21, 2006, 05:17:20 PM
I don't get why WCW is always demeaning Oxy with the "Big 3" talk, either. Look at how this league has turned out over the past four years. This season Oxy will finish in second place. Last season they finished third. The season before they finished fourth, but only a game out of second place and two games out of first. The season before that, of course, they had the best season of any SCIAC team in the D3 era, running the table in the league and making it all the way to the Elite Eight.

Here are the SCIAC's cumulative records over the past four seasons:

Oxy 41-14 (.745), 1 title
CMS 40-15 (.727), 1 title
PP 38-17 (.691), 2 titles
CLU 33-22 (.600)
LaV 25-30 (.455)
Whit 22-33 (.400)
Redl 21-34 (.382)
Ctech 0-55 (.000)

There may have been such a thing as the "Big 3" in the past, but the record over the past four years shows that such a label is now outmoded if it's being used to exclude Oxy. The Tigers are clearly among the SCIAC elite now.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on February 21, 2006, 06:33:23 PM
Amen, Sager.  I always bristled when I hear that Big 3 talk, especially given Oxy's recent run and CalLu's lack of anything for now 5 years.   I never brought myself to post on the issue, but thanks for saying what I thought.  WCW, I still love you bro' -- almost as much as I love Scali and Taylor.   :D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciacguru on February 21, 2006, 07:37:18 PM
Quote from: tigersports on February 21, 2006, 06:33:23 PM
Amen, Sager.  I always bristled when I hear that Big 3 talk, especially given Oxy's recent run and CalLu's lack of anything for now 5 years. 

Really...a lack of anything for 5 yrs now??
OK
2001 - SCIAC champs - 12-2     Oxy @ 8-6
2002 - 12-2 (2nd to CMS 11-1) Oxy @ 9-5
2003 - 10-4 (2nd to Oxy) and ahead of CMS by 2 games and PP (6th) by 4 games
2004 - 10-4 (2nd to PP 11-3)   Oxy @ 9-5
2005 - 7-7                                Oxy @ 9-5
2006 - starting 4 sophs and 1 freshmen....one of which had any SCIAC experience.

With PP losing 4 starters, Whittier losing 6 seniors, Laverne losing 7 seniors that play, Oxy losing Phillips/Marvin, CMS losing Taylor/Parsons, CIT losing Carlson/Ivy....and Redlands well being Redlands.....I have a feeling you will be eating your words come the next few years.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciacguru on February 21, 2006, 07:48:27 PM
All SCIAC predictions:
MVP - Taylor (dont be surprised as Co-MVP w/ Parsons)

1st Team
Betty - Oxy
Wex-Beron - PP
Parsons - CMS
Maceria - CMS
Greenlee - ULV
LLoyd - PP

2nd Team
Knowles - PP - (if no more room at 1st team)
Phillips - Oxy
Mazarei - Redlands
Whitman - Oxy
Carlson - CIT
one or the other with (Lepiashinski or Miller from CLU or Farlough from Whit)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Stags4Life on February 21, 2006, 08:57:38 PM
All SCIAC predictions:
MVP - Taylor

1st Team
Betty - Oxy
Wex-Beron - PP
Parsons - CMS
Maceria - CMS
Phillips - Oxy
Knowles - PP

2nd Team
Lloyd - PP
Greenlee - ULV
Mazarei - Redlands
Whitman - Oxy
Carlson - CIT
Lepiashinski - CLU
Quote
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Stags4Life on February 21, 2006, 08:59:03 PM
MY PICKS(a little different)

All SCIAC predictions:
MVP - Taylor (dont be surprised as Co-MVP w/ Parsons)

1st Team
Betty - Oxy
Wex-Beron - PP
Parsons - CMS
Maceria - CMS
Phillips - Oxy
Knowles - PP

2nd Team
Lloyd - PP
Greenlee - ULV
Mazarei - Redlands
Whitman - Oxy
Carlson - CIT
Lepiashinski - CLU
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D O.C. on February 21, 2006, 10:45:46 PM
QuoteWhat is the deal, people? Is it too much to read the front page before complaining??

Must be the smog.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WestCoastWhiner on February 21, 2006, 11:14:55 PM
Guru, thanks for beating me to the punch.  Also, if you are going to look at 4 years, why not look at 10, at 14.  Oxy, more than anyone, has knocked on the door of the Big 3 but year in and year out, since CLU joined the conference, this thing has been about the Big 3.  But as Sagers & PC know, I say that partly tongue in cheek because before Oxy's '03 run, the Big 3 is really a laughable concept outside of the southland.  The more appropriate moniker would be 'the Big Nada'.   Which, by default, would make everyone else 'the Nada de Nada'. 

But there is hope that the times are changing (notably Oxy trying to turn this conference national rep on its head) and I'm looking for the Stags to bring back a pair of wins from the Tourney this year.  Won't be easy and our conference's historical failings should make them a HUGE underdog no matter who they play.  CMS plays well in that position and just might be able to pull it off.        
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on February 22, 2006, 12:38:54 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 21, 2006, 10:45:38 PM
sciacguru:

tigersports said: "Amen, Sager.  I always bristled when I hear that Big 3 talk, especially given Oxy's recent run and CalLu's lack of anything for now 5 years."

You replied: "Really...a lack of anything for 5 yrs now??"

Answer: Yes, CLU hasn't won the conference since the 2000-2001 season. That was six years ago.

You're also probably one of those people who think the new millenium started in 2000.

Not to detract from Oxy's success, or to make an argument for a Big Three instead of Big Four.  But 2 tough seasons in a row does not mean that the Kingsmen haven't done anything for 5 years now.

No, they may not have been championship seasons, but there have been plenty of years when those records would have been good enough for at least a share of the conference title.

Regardless of when you start the millenium, Cal Lu has a tradition of success in the SCIAC.  I like their chances next year, especially if Minney is back in the mix.

That said, I hope the committee sneaks the Tigers in...
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciacguru on February 22, 2006, 01:42:15 AM
Ok Oxy Bob...since you like to insult the intelligence of the CLU folks.  Here's a math question for you that should be easy.

Since joining the league in 91 - CLU has won 4 titles....and your beloved Oxy - 1.
So CLU wins the title 1 every 3.75 years
Oxy wins the title every...uhhh...15 years

Oh, ok, so you will come back that it was Dunlap that won the titles and not Rider.....I believe this is Rider's 12 or 13th year and has been 1st or 2nd for 10 of those years.
Newhall has been there how long???  18 or 19 and hmmmmmmmm won 1 title and how many 2nd places???  I believe none...oops...I forgot about this year  ;)

So is Oxy still considered apart of the elite?  Currently yes.....Historically.....Well, you do the math.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 22, 2006, 02:16:28 AM
Quote from: WestCoastWhiner on February 21, 2006, 11:14:55 PM
Guru, thanks for beating me to the punch.  Also, if you are going to look at 4 years, why not look at 10, at 14.

Quote from: sciacguru on February 22, 2006, 01:42:15 AM
Ok Oxy Bob...since you like to insult the intelligence of the CLU folks. Here's a math question for you that should be easy.

Since joining the league in 91 - CLU has won 4 titles....and your beloved Oxy - 1.
So CLU wins the title 1 every 3.75 years
Oxy wins the title every...uhhh...15 years

Oh, ok, so you will come back that it was Dunlap that won the titles and not Rider.....I believe this is Rider's 12 or 13th year and has been 1st or 2nd for 10 of those years.
Newhall has been there how long??? 18 or 19 and hmmmmmmmm won 1 title and how many 2nd places??? I believe none...oops...I forgot about this year ;)

So is Oxy still considered apart of the elite? Currently yes.....Historically.....Well, you do the math.


You can draw the line anywhere you like, but the further back you draw it the less applicable it becomes to the here-and-now, because you end up diluting the present and the recent past. WCW and Guru, do you really think that 1996 is as relevant to the current power structure of the SCIAC as is 2006? Or that 1994 is as relevant as 2004?

Four-year increments tend to be good indicators of where a program is in the present, because four years is the span of a student-athlete's career. And all I'm concerned with here is the present ... and in the present, Oxy is very much a part of the Big 3, or the Big 4, or whatever Big you want to construct in order to define hegemony within the SCIAC.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bballfan2 on February 22, 2006, 04:33:38 AM
Quote from: tigersports on February 21, 2006, 02:47:17 PM
As for last night, let's face it, PP got a ton of breaks last night (65% team hitting all but 3 FT's, unbelievable bounces on Knowles' 3 and Porter's FT, the tie-up that could've gone either way), not to mention picking up a Jordan-esque foul call just about every time they went to the basket.  Not to take anything away from PP"s gritty effort, and I know I'll get static from the PP faithful, but karma was on their side last night.

You will get static, if you want to talk about bad calls you should also mention the two offensive fouls on Lloyd, or the over the back calls on Porter that could have also gone  against Betty on a couple tap-ins.

As to your jump ball complaint, Oswald, I asked lloyd after the game. Here's a direct quote "absolutely I had my hand on the ball before he started yellying time out, if they'd given them that TO it would have been awful. That said...all the oxy players were right in the first half when they wanted a goal tend on Alexander's lay-up"...Refs aren't perfect if they'd called hand checking fouls in game one, maybe lloyd would have shot more then ZERO free throws and PP would have won both, but they didn't.

Also,  tough one for the Techies I would have loved to see them get a W in league finally
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on February 22, 2006, 09:30:57 AM
Last time I checked, nobody from the 1996 or 2000 squads are still around...so this shouldn't even be an issue.  Historically, yes, Oxy was not part of the "Big 3." 

Right now, however, you can't talk about the SCIAC without at the very least mentioning the Tigers.

Hopefully this year will be different, but I don't seem to remember the "Big 3" making any kind of noise in post-season.

Good luck to CMS and maybe the NCAA will be nice to the Tigers.

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on February 22, 2006, 10:40:58 AM
Oxyfan, Tigersports , etc......
I have a question for you guys

why does it always have to be that people will always bring up their schools past records and not their present records to make an argument? THis was the same thing that was mentioned about a couple of football programs in the SCIAC board.

Granted that some of these schools where indeed powerhouses in the past, but these fans will do anything to bring that up. Sure we have to congradulate them for their past success but we have to look at the present and not the past. Oxy has done well in B-ball and football for the past 5 years since the start of a new millinium. Schools will do anything in their power to change their past and do better for the future. THerefore, i think we should all look at the present, stop bring up and the past and just kill this topic...
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on February 22, 2006, 10:42:03 AM
Btw----

Congrats to the stags and yes lets pray for the powers that be to allow to SCIAC teams into postplay
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on February 22, 2006, 11:27:21 AM
I'll post this here because I don't think anyone's checked the Women's board in the last 6 months...

Thanks, Pat, for putting the Regals on the front page in honor of their second straight SCIAC championship.  I caught the last half of the broadcast and it was an awesome comeback - I think they were down 13 or 14 at one point in the second half.  Lauren Stroot had a great game but several other players stepped up down the stretch.

Between Lepiashanski's dunk and Shim's game winner with 3 seconds left both the Men and Women got a chance to close out the scoring in the old gym in style. 

I wish the Regals luck in the postseason.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 22, 2006, 12:36:33 PM
Quote from: scandihoovian on February 22, 2006, 11:27:21 AM
I'll post this here because I don't think anyone's checked the Women's board in the last 6 months...

Thanks, Pat, for putting the Regals on the front page in honor of their second straight SCIAC championship.  I caught the last half of the broadcast and it was an awesome comeback - I think they were down 13 or 14 at one point in the second half.  Lauren Stroot ahd a great game but several other player's stepped up down the stretch.

No problem. It wouldn't have been possible, though, without CLU putting game-day photos on its web site.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OXY Oswald on February 22, 2006, 12:40:24 PM
Quote from: scandihoovian on February 22, 2006, 11:27:21 AM
I'll post this here because I don't think anyone's checked the Women's board in the last 6 months...

Thanks, Pat, for putting the Regals on the front page in honor of their second straight SCIAC championship.  I caught the last half of the broadcast and it was an awesome comeback - I think they were down 13 or 14 at one point in the second half.  Lauren Stroot had a great game but several other players stepped up down the stretch.

Between Lepiashanski's dunk and Shim's game winner with 3 seconds left both the Men and Women got a chance to close out the scoring in the old gym in style. 

I wish the Regals luck in the postseason.

Congrats to the Regals, it was good news when I read that on the front page this morning.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on February 22, 2006, 02:36:37 PM
Quote from: DenSLA on February 21, 2006, 10:45:46 PM
QuoteWhat is the deal, people? Is it too much to read the front page before complaining??
Must be the smog.
Actually, the number of days that we are out of attainment for PM-10 and PM-2.5 isn't as bad in the winter during the basketball season. No excuses. :P ;)

I still think the Greg's mock argument about whether sky is blue post is the funniest post I've ever read... but your post had me laughing pretty hard Sage!  :D

I've decided that Oxy HATES me... here I was, totally and completely overwhelmingly psyched, because Oxy was a shoo in to host a first round sectional, and a good shot at the second one due to their awesome SOSI, top regional ranking, and in region record... and now they might now even make the playoffs? And the SCIAC might not get a single playoff home game??? Waaah!  :'( >:( :( :-[ :-\ ???

I am probably the only person in the world who wants to summer in CA and winter in the Midwest.  :D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on February 22, 2006, 02:39:37 PM
"OXY BASKETBALL When It Rains It Pours"

^ quote from the official site  :-[
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on February 22, 2006, 03:49:15 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 21, 2006, 04:44:04 AM
Look for Oxy to wind up fourth or fifth in this week's ranking, and then to drop further in the final ranking that only the committee sees on Selection Monday. They may be seventh or eighth in that ranking, or they may even drop out entirely, depending upon how Whitworth or Willamette fares in the NWC tourney.

My guess is that Oxy is not yet out of the Pool C running, but their prospects are dire.

on the plus side... the answer is fourth, instead of fifth  :-\

http://www.d3hoops.com/dailydose/?p=141

but the real plus is that oxy is ranked above all teams which are currently second in their conference... the only upset in the conference tourney is Whitewater or La Crosse upsetting stout, Oxy could still be the second or third Pool C candidate from the region.

The chances are still dire... but maybe not THAT dire?  ???
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on February 22, 2006, 06:07:07 PM
Quote"OXY BASKETBALL When It Rains It Pours"

^ quote from the official site   

Diehard, I'm glad that someone "got" this.  You should know, though, that this was not from the official Oxy site.  It was from oxybroadcast.com, which is the official site of only my living room.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on February 22, 2006, 06:52:05 PM
 :D I just figured since there was a direct link from the oxy site...  :D

thanks for the fyi  :)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on February 22, 2006, 10:03:03 PM
No worries
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Stags4Life on February 23, 2006, 03:06:21 AM
Quote from: diehardfan on February 22, 2006, 03:49:15 PM
on the plus side... the answer is fourth, instead of fifth  :-\

http://www.d3hoops.com/dailydose/?p=141

but the real plus is that oxy is ranked above all teams which are currently second in their conference... the only upset in the conference tourney is Whitewater or La Crosse upsetting stout, Oxy could still be the second or third Pool C candidate from the region.

The chances are still dire... but maybe not THAT dire?  ???

I am not completely sure, but I do not think those rankings include the Pomona loss, look for that loss and a Caltech win to drop Oxy a spot or two down the rankings.

--Stags4Life
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 23, 2006, 04:39:30 AM
Quote from: Stags4Life on February 23, 2006, 03:06:21 AMI am not completely sure, but I do not think those rankings include the Pomona loss, look for that loss and a Caltech win to drop Oxy a spot or two down the rankings.

--Stags4Life

Exactly. That's why I said that the situation was worse for Oxy than would be indicated by Wednesday's ranking. It doesn't reflect either the Pomona-Pitzer loss or the upcoming Pyrrhic victory over Caltech.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: samiam on February 23, 2006, 12:19:25 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 23, 2006, 04:39:30 AM
Quote from: Stags4Life on February 23, 2006, 03:06:21 AMI am not completely sure, but I do not think those rankings include the Pomona loss, look for that loss and a Caltech win to drop Oxy a spot or two down the rankings.

--Stags4Life

Exactly. That's why I said that the situation was worse for Oxy than would be indicated by Wednesday's ranking. It doesn't reflect either the Pomona-Pitzer loss or the upcoming Pyrrhic victory over Caltech.

Let's not write-off Caltech just yet. Tonight might just offer that perfect storm in which they could win. They seem to playing well, and Oxy . . . well, isn't playing as well as they were earlier in the season.

I'm not hoping for a loss for my Tigers. I just won't be surprised if they help Caltech get over their eternal slump.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TeeDub on February 23, 2006, 12:55:24 PM
Come on, do we really think Caltech is going to give Oxy a game?...Oxy, despite the losses, isn't playing that poorly.  An overtime loss on the road to  Pomona-Pitzer (traditionally, the class of the league), a close loss on the road to CMS, the best team in the conference, and a close loss to Redlands on a night when they are hitting their shots and Mazarei goes off the chart (the ol' any given night scenario)...to me this doesn't represent Oxy as a poor team...so I just don't see them even letting Caltech be in the game at all...especially with hopes of a post season still looming.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on February 23, 2006, 01:00:52 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 23, 2006, 04:39:30 AM
Quote from: Stags4Life on February 23, 2006, 03:06:21 AMI am not completely sure, but I do not think those rankings include the Pomona loss, look for that loss and a Caltech win to drop Oxy a spot or two down the rankings.
Exactly. That's why I said that the situation was worse for Oxy than would be indicated by Wednesday's ranking. It doesn't reflect either the Pomona-Pitzer loss or the upcoming Pyrrhic victory over Caltech.

Hmmm... thought I said that... guess I didn't exactly do that. I guess I was expecting reader to make the leap they were currently fourth and going to stay fourth, their chances would have been excellent for a C bid. If they hadn't lost to PP, or that game was counted in this ranking, they would have simply remained fourth in the regional rankings, and first in line for a pool C.

Their loss, and the corresponding drop in the poll is what will make them the second or third west team in line to get a pool c.
That's what I meant when I said even if "the only upset in the conference tourney is Whitewater or La Crosse upsetting stout, Oxy could still be the second or third Pool C candidate from the region."

I didn't lay my argument out clearly at all. But this is a little more detail about what I think and why I think it.

The next two teams in the rankings (who were going to pass Oxy in the next rankings anyway) are the only ones who will probably upset anyone ranked above them. That means that even with conference upset concerns, Oxy will still be looking at the 2-3 slot in line for a Pool C for the West region. This is a little better than the situation in other regions, where conference upsets will affect teams on the Pool C bubble much more... does that make sense? Oxy's chances are certainly dire, but they are perhaps better than the most dire of dire?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on February 23, 2006, 01:02:49 PM
Despite my hopes that Oxy still has a chance to get a C bid, let me just say this.

I don't know if Cal Tech will win, but I'm a sure as heck gonna be there to cheer them on!

Go Cal Tech! 20 billion seasons without a D3 win no more!  ;D :-*
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bballfan2 on February 23, 2006, 01:46:11 PM
Assuming they both win Pomona will have a better regional record, and have finished with wins @ LV, @Redlands, vs OXY, and @ Cal Lu, while Oxy finishes with a Loss to CMS, Pomona, Redlands (@HOME), and a win of the Tech, and an earlier HOME loss to LV. I can't see how they're any more deserving of a bid then PP, if I had to hope for one of the two schools to get in I'd pull for PP if only because I think the PP CMS rematch would be great
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Stags4Life on February 23, 2006, 01:57:22 PM
Quote from: Jordis Rocks on February 23, 2006, 12:55:24 PM
Come on, do we really think Caltech is going to give Oxy a game?...Oxy, despite the losses, isn't playing that poorly.  An overtime loss on the road to  Pomona-Pitzer (traditionally, the class of the league), a close loss on the road to CMS, the best team in the conference, and a close loss to Redlands on a night when they are hitting their shots and Mazarei goes off the chart (the ol' any given night scenario)...to me this doesn't represent Oxy as a poor team...so I just don't see them even letting Caltech be in the game at all...especially with hopes of a post season still looming.

I do not believe that any given night situation as much as you think it applies to the Redlands game.  Mazarei should not have scored 57 points on a good defensive team.  CMS defeated Redlands 128-70 and I do not believe this is a result of poor shooting by Redlands.  CMS has the best defense in the SCIAC and they shut down Redlands' offense and executed perfectly on their offense to blowout Redlands.  There is no way Mazarei would have scored 57 on CMS and the fact that some Oxy fans blame that loss on "any given night" is ridiculous.

--Stags4Life
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Stags4Life on February 23, 2006, 02:54:47 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 23, 2006, 02:16:27 PM

I didn't go to Caltech, but I know a little about statistics, including logistic regression and cluster analysis of multivariate data. Based on my analysis, Caltech has exactly three chances of beating Oxy -- slim, none and fat.

OxyBob

I am sorry OxyBob, but you're wrong.  Tonight is Carlson and Ivy's final chance to get a win.  They will be bringing everything they have.  Oxy, on the other hand, will be playing "Caltech" which means the motivated Oxy team that lost to CMS and Pomona will not be playing tonight.  This game is a lose-lose game for Oxy in the regional rankings so really what motivation does Oxy have besides winning and hoping for the best on Sunday Night.  Oxy has already lost two games at home due to poor defense and I would not be surprised if that poor defense showed up tonight.  Caltech definitely has a chance to beat Oxy tonight and if Oxy believes otherwise, then they might be in store for a miracle which would wrap up one of the greatest late season collapses in recent history. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: samiam on February 23, 2006, 03:53:50 PM
Quote from: Jordis Rocks on February 23, 2006, 12:55:24 PM
Come on, do we really think Caltech is going to give Oxy a game?...Oxy, despite the losses, isn't playing that poorly.  An overtime loss on the road to  Pomona-Pitzer (traditionally, the class of the league), a close loss on the road to CMS, the best team in the conference, and a close loss to Redlands on a night when they are hitting their shots and Mazarei goes off the chart (the ol' any given night scenario)...to me this doesn't represent Oxy as a poor team...so I just don't see them even letting Caltech be in the game at all...especially with hopes of a post season still looming.

I hope you're right. However, "the ol' any given night scenario" you use in Oxy's defense can also be used against it. This just might be Caltech's given night.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: samiam on February 23, 2006, 03:57:19 PM
Quote from: bballfan2 on February 23, 2006, 01:46:11 PM
Assuming they both win Pomona will have a better regional record, and have finished with wins @ LV, @Redlands, vs OXY, and @ Cal Lu, while Oxy finishes with a Loss to CMS, Pomona, Redlands (@HOME), and a win of the Tech, and an earlier HOME loss to LV. I can't see how they're any more deserving of a bid then PP, if I had to hope for one of the two schools to get in I'd pull for PP if only because I think the PP CMS rematch would be great

Has any other school besides Oxy offered anything for us to brag about in the post-season? PP's had their chances. I sure would hate to see a bid go to the infamous one-and-done crew.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciacguru on February 23, 2006, 04:19:57 PM
Quote from: samiam on February 23, 2006, 03:57:19 PM
Has any other school besides Oxy offered anything for us to brag about in the post-season? PP's had their chances. I sure would hate to see a bid go to the infamous one-and-done crew.

I believe that CMS will represent the SCIAC well with them playing the winner of the Independent tourney....Chapman or Neb Wesleyan....if one of those two teams sweep that tourney...I believe they have a great chance of getting in...and I do believe CMS can go up to the NWC and win there.

And as much as I dislike all of Oxy Bob's "stuck-up" posts, Cal Tech is not winning at Oxy!!(cuz noone will score 57 pts)  Even CLU held Amir to 16 and 18 pts.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TeeDub on February 23, 2006, 04:24:53 PM
Quote from: Stags4Life on February 23, 2006, 01:57:22 PM

I do not believe that any given night situation as much as you think it applies to the Redlands game.  Mazarei should not have scored 57 points on a good defensive team.  CMS defeated Redlands 128-70 and I do not believe this is a result of poor shooting by Redlands.  CMS has the best defense in the SCIAC and they shut down Redlands' offense and executed perfectly on their offense to blowout Redlands.  There is no way Mazarei would have scored 57 on CMS and the fact that some Oxy fans blame that loss on "any given night" is ridiculous.

--Stags4Life

For a Stags fan, you sure don't do much for the reputation...If Oxy is so bad, how did CMS lose to them once and have such a narrow victory on their own home floor
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TeeDub on February 23, 2006, 04:25:57 PM
Quote from: samiam on February 23, 2006, 03:53:50 PM
Quote from: Jordis Rocks on February 23, 2006, 12:55:24 PM
Come on, do we really think Caltech is going to give Oxy a game?...Oxy, despite the losses, isn't playing that poorly.  An overtime loss on the road to  Pomona-Pitzer (traditionally, the class of the league), a close loss on the road to CMS, the best team in the conference, and a close loss to Redlands on a night when they are hitting their shots and Mazarei goes off the chart (the ol' any given night scenario)...to me this doesn't represent Oxy as a poor team...so I just don't see them even letting Caltech be in the game at all...especially with hopes of a post season still looming.

I hope you're right. However, "the ol' any given night scenario" you use in Oxy's defense can also be used against it. This just might be Caltech's given night.

Touche....good point.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on February 23, 2006, 08:02:27 PM
It's the old Herb Brooks theory.  "Hey they beat us 9 times out of ten, why can't this be that one out of ten we beat them."  In this case, it's more like 280 (CT's approximate SCIAC losing streak), but you get the picture.  If it happens, oxybroadcast.com will be on SportsCenter BABY!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fosheezie on February 24, 2006, 12:07:21 AM
[Has any other school besides Oxy offered anything for us to brag about in the post-season? PP's had their chances. I sure would hate to see a bid go to the infamous one-and-done crew.
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Wow, cruel words from such an expert.  Have you seen some of the teams PP has played in the playoffs.  In the late 90's it was the Wisconsin teams who were killing everybody (see Wisconsin Plateville)  then lately playing Puget Sound.  People think they are bad because Oxy had one good run, but what you dont realize was that was a phenominal team that wont be seen again for a while.

And speaking of another SCIAC bid, I do say if anyone gets it, it should be PP.  They have been playing well lately.  Its no coincidence that this play is coming as Lloyd is getting in shape.  I know he wont like me saying this, but he's not the same player as before after all the knee injuries, but he is playing better now, and so are the Cocks.  You can't give Oxy a bid after choking their butts off like they did.

One other thing, West Coast Whine job, the balance of power will never shift across the street to CMS, they have one won title this year, they might even win next year, but look at what PP and Katz have done.  Take a look inside the gym at all the titles.  You should name the championship trophy after Katz.

Knowles for 2007 MVP!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: samiam on February 24, 2006, 12:20:08 AM
Quote from: fosheezie on February 24, 2006, 12:07:21 AM
Wow, cruel words from such an expert.  Have you seen some of the teams PP has played in the playoffs.  In the late 90's it was the Wisconsin teams who were killing everybody (see Wisconsin Plateville)  then lately playing Puget Sound.  People think they are bad because Oxy had one good run, but what you dont realize was that was a phenominal team that wont be seen again for a while.


I probably could have phrased that one better. Apologies to all. However, I've never set myself up as a bastion of wisdom. I'm ignorant, and I know it.

That said, when it comes down to it, does it really matter who the SCIAC representative plays? A loss is a loss. Any asterisk next to it with explanations and rationale for the loss really is just an excuse. You play the game against the team you get assigned to play. Then you either perform or don't. That part of the sport is pretty cut and dry.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WestCoastWhiner on February 24, 2006, 01:23:44 AM
Fo, we've missed you this year.  I expected you to come here early and woof about this team.  But you were notably silent; makes me wonder if you knew something that the rest of us didn't. 

Sam is right.  It sounds like bottom-tier bitching but it is deserved.  Nothing highlights that like the 20 point schlacking by Amherst this year the night before a less-talented and younger Tiger team handles the east coast prepsters.  Yes, it was at Oxy but it was a winter game and there weren't more than 300 people there. 

Kats has owned the conference and he just hasn't got it done outside of the conference.  As I have always said, he was good enough to be gone to a higher platform long ago.  Too bad for the rest of the conference and lucky for the Hen nation, who all understand that CK has easily been the greatest coach ever at PP.

And the balance of power has shifted.  2 Ls and a conference title prove it.  Maybe it won't be permanent, but they sent to Lloyd to graduate school with a couple of Ls. 

P.S.  What gives with the green light for Knowles?  I love the guy too but he was the first point I've ever Katz give that much of a green light.


 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 24, 2006, 02:02:03 AM
Quote from: Stags4Life on February 23, 2006, 02:54:47 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 23, 2006, 02:16:27 PM

I didn't go to Caltech, but I know a little about statistics, including logistic regression and cluster analysis of multivariate data. Based on my analysis, Caltech has exactly three chances of beating Oxy -- slim, none and fat.

OxyBob

I am sorry OxyBob, but you're wrong.  Tonight is Carlson and Ivy's final chance to get a win.  They will be bringing everything they have.  Oxy, on the other hand, will be playing "Caltech" which means the motivated Oxy team that lost to CMS and Pomona will not be playing tonight.  This game is a lose-lose game for Oxy in the regional rankings so really what motivation does Oxy have besides winning and hoping for the best on Sunday Night.  Oxy has already lost two games at home due to poor defense and I would not be surprised if that poor defense showed up tonight.  Caltech definitely has a chance to beat Oxy tonight and if Oxy believes otherwise, then they might be in store for a miracle which would wrap up one of the greatest late season collapses in recent history. 

Well, I'll give you this much: it wasn't a very motivated Oxy team tonight.  They played like they knew they only needed to show up to win, so that's pretty much all they did.  And they won...easily.  Ridiculously easily.  By 34, and it wasn't really that close. 

I felt bad for Caltech's seniors, but somehow I don't think they feel bad for themselves.  They have big futures to get on with.  In the meantime, good luck to Oxy in their slim hopes for a Pool C bid, and good luck to CMS in representing the SCIAC in the tourney.

PS It was nice to meet Tigersports tonight after the game.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on February 24, 2006, 04:02:23 AM
Thanks for the kind words, David.  Nice to meet you and diehard as well.  This was a far different Caltech team than when we did games in years past as they had three guys who could flat out play (Hires, Ivy, Carlson).  It's a far cry from years past when Bird was the only guy who remotely belonged and the rest, though trying very hard and very earnest (and probably making a kajillion dollars by now), just weren't close to being on this level and would struggle in a good IM league.  This team at least belonged on the floor.

Thanks also to those with kind words for my son.  "His majesty" (as we call him right now) is doing fine.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OXY Oswald on February 24, 2006, 04:14:07 AM
Quote from: David Collinge on February 24, 2006, 02:02:03 AM
Well, I'll give you this much: it wasn't a very motivated Oxy team tonight.  They played like they knew they only needed to show up to win, so that's pretty much all they did.  And they won...easily.  Ridiculously easily.  By 34, and it wasn't really that close. 

I felt bad for Caltech's seniors, but somehow I don't think they feel bad for themselves.  They have big futures to get on with.  In the meantime, good luck to Oxy in their slim hopes for a Pool C bid, and good luck to CMS in representing the SCIAC in the tourney.

PS It was nice to meet Tigersports tonight after the game.

Glad you could make it to the game, it was a fun one to watch... not too seroius though.  I was glad some of the guys that don't get to play that often got some good game time in, and they got the crowd into it.

Hopefully the Tigers have a better shot at a Pool C bid than the board seems to think. 

Here's to the season not being over just yet!

Go Tigers!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Stags4Life on February 24, 2006, 01:08:14 PM
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For a Stags fan, you sure don't do much for the reputation...If Oxy is so bad, how did CMS lose to them once and have such a narrow victory on their own home floor
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Well, if Oxy's is so good then, how did they lose to Redlands and La Verne on their home court.  The fact isn't that Oxy is bad, it is that Oxy is inconsistent, especially defensively.  And, I was only offering my opinion that Oxy fans need to stop blaming the "any given night" scenario and realize that their team is inconsistent and might have been a bit overrated.  No one said Oxy is so bad, so before you question my reputation, figure out what I am trying to say.

--Stags4Life
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TeeDub on February 24, 2006, 01:33:43 PM
Stags,

Take it easy...you guys are good, really good, despite the early losses to Chapman and the flop at Pacific (NWC)...Miles is by far the most solid, well-rounded player in the league and Parsons (on any given night) can dominate...and I won't even mention Mani...his game speaks for itself.  I'm just saying that you don't need to bash others to make yourself look good, especially when you have a good team to boast about.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on February 24, 2006, 02:09:59 PM
CMS showed to me that though maybe not head and shoulders, they were the best team in the league this year.   That said, I would hope that they change their tactics a bit as they enter the tourney and get the SCIAC a couple of wins.  Specifically, about half the time (or so it seems) their offense reverts to an NBA style in which Parsons holds the ball until single digits remain on the shot clock and then they hope for Parsons to create.   I love Scali and he and Henry (an NBA guy) have forgotten more than I'll ever know, but I would like to see them a bit more fluid and using the skills that Taylor/Mani/Parsons bring to the table more to the fullest.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Lord Chaos on February 24, 2006, 03:47:06 PM
when is the mvp award typically announced?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TeeDub on February 24, 2006, 03:51:51 PM
Quote from: Lord Chaos on February 24, 2006, 03:47:06 PM
when is the mvp award typically announced?

We can announce it right now....MILES TAYLOR
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Stags4Life on February 24, 2006, 04:55:13 PM
Quote from: tigersports on February 24, 2006, 02:09:59 PM
CMS showed to me that though maybe not head and shoulders, they were the best team in the league this year.   That said, I would hope that they change their tactics a bit as they enter the tourney and get the SCIAC a couple of wins.  Specifically, about half the time (or so it seems) their offense reverts to an NBA style in which Parsons holds the ball until single digits remain on the shot clock and then they hope for Parsons to create.   I love Scali and he and Henry (an NBA guy) have forgotten more than I'll ever know, but I would like to see them a bit more fluid and using the skills that Taylor/Mani/Parsons bring to the table more to the fullest.

Well said...I agree.

--Stags4Life
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on February 24, 2006, 07:57:53 PM
Well, based on the QOWI, Oxy is 18th in line for a Pool C... hmm...

Quote from: Hoops Fan on February 24, 2006, 12:29:05 PM
1-10
Amherst     12.000     22-1
Lawrence    11.550    20-0
Worcester Polytech    11.091    19-3
Tufts    11.000    19-4
Mississippi College    10.913    22-1
Augustana    10.864    19-3
Trinity (Texas)    10.833    16-2
Lincoln    10.813    12-4 Pool B
St. John Fisher    10.810    20-1
Cortland State    10.667    22-2
               
11-20
Gordon    10.560    22-3
Virginia Wesleyan    10.481    24-3 Already in, Pool A
York (Pa.)    10.400    22-3
Carnegie Mellon    10.389    14-4
William Paterson    10.250    18-6
Bates    10.238    16-5
Wittenberg    10.238    18-3
Wooster    10.227    20-2
Washington U.    10.211    14-5
Baruch    10.174    21-2
               
21-30
UW-Whitewater    10.136    17-5
Carleton    10.136    18-4
Keene State    10.130    17-6
Carroll    10.095    18-3
Transylvania    10.080    21-4
Illinois Wesleyan    10.053    14-5
Calvin    10.000    12-1
UW-Stout    10.000    18-4
Widener    10.000    19-4
Alvernia    9.958    21-3 Already in, Pool A

31-40
Lakeland    9.905    17-4
North Central    9.895    14-5
Trinity (Conn.)    9.895    15-4
UW-La Crosse    9.880    18-7
SUNY-Farmingdale    9.870    18-5
Randolph-Macon    9.840    19-6
Ursinus    9.826    18-5
St. Thomas    9.792    19-5
Hope    9.765    15-2
Occidental    9.750    12-4

That's 18 Italicised Pool C contenders.  Here are the next five.
           
41-50
Baldwin-Wallace    9.750    20-4
Fisk    9.714    10-4 Pool B
Nebraska Wesleyan    9.714    6-1 Pool B
Puget Sound    9.706    15-2
New York University    9.696    17-6
Utica    9.667    19-5
Whitworth    9.652    18-5
MIT    9.652    16-7
Salem State    9.583    18-6
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sagecock on February 24, 2006, 08:42:24 PM
Quotetoo bad for the rest of the conference and lucky for the Hen nation, who all understand that CK has easily been the greatest coach ever at PP.

I think Gregg Popovich might have something to say about that...

So the Hens finish out with a win at Redlands, never dominated the way they did the first game, but won convincingly enough.  Great to send off the seniors with a win. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Stags4Life on February 24, 2006, 09:15:22 PM
Some great shots from the Oxy-CMS game:

Parsons dunks in traffic on Oxy D: http://i.pbase.com/o4/39/17539/1/56261349.IMG_7454.jpg

Parsons second dunk to wrap up the win: http://misheli.image.pbase.com/o4/39/17539/1/56261333.IMG_0281.jpg
http://mishami.image.pbase.com/o4/39/17539/1/56261334.IMG_0282.jpg

The rest of the album includes photos from CMS-Pomona 2, CMS-Oxy 2, and CMS-La Verne 2: http://www.pbase.com/gary/cmsbasketball&page=all

All photos taken by Gary Stephenson.

--Stags4Life
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Stags4Life on February 24, 2006, 10:56:47 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 24, 2006, 10:45:40 PM
Interesting perspective, but I am going to disagree with you about the CMS offense. The Stags do run a lot of time off the clock, but it's by design as they are constantly looking for a pick or a cutter. I watched CMS play several times this season and what impressed me about them is how they are in no hurry to shoot and will wait and wait until they can post up Taylor or spring Winterbottom and Parsons off screens.

Claremont's offensive style ensures they are in every game. I would not be surprised if CMS caused grief in the playoffs for an unsuspecting foe.

OxyBob

I also agree with you that it is by design to run the offense looking for an easy shot, but it is also true as tigersports said that if the shot clock gets down to 10-12, the offense breaks down and Parsons backs up and tries to create off a ball screeen.  I do not see any problem in this style because Parsons is probably the best playmaker in the conference and it has been successful for the Stags all season.

--Stags4Life
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 24, 2006, 11:09:22 PM
Bad news for Oxy fans, desparately clinging to the end of the last leaf on the branch sticking out from the cliff.  I think you can let go now and enjoy the fall.  At least seven teams have sewn up Pool C bids they didn't expect to have in the last day or so.  Like for instance, Baruch of the City University of New York Athletic Conference, which lost to to York (NY) tonight in their conference finals.  Baruch is a lead-pipe cinch for a Pool C, meaning that the lowly CUNYAC will get two teams in.  Ditto the SUNYAC (Cortland St. loses in the semis), CAC (York PA loses in the semis), Commonwealth Coast (Gordon loses in the semis), SCAC (Trinity TX loses in the first round), plus the CCIW and ODAC cemented their two-bid performances when IWU beat Augustana and Va. Wesleyan beat Randolph-Macon.  And the NCAC (Wooster vs. Wittenberg) and MIAA (Hope vs. Calvin) are guaranteed to eat two more Pool C's, while the NESCAC (semis are Amherst vs. Bates and Trinity CT vs. Tufts) will eat at least one more C, and as many as three more

Pretty much everything had to go right for Oxy to grab one of the last Pool C bids.  Instead, pretty much everything has gone wrong.  Looks like CMS is left to defend the SCIAC's honor all alone.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Stags4Life on February 26, 2006, 01:08:20 AM
Chapman defeated Nebraska-Wesleyan tonight 76-67 which, if I am not mistaken, means they make the tourney as a Pool B bid.  Any ideas on how Chapman will fare in the tournament if they have indeed made it.  Chapman has defeated CMS twice already this season.  They also defeated Redlands, Cal Lu, Caltech, lost to Whittier by 3, and lost to Oxy by 5, all early in the season

I am looking forward to tommorow night, although I do not think any other SCIAC teams will make it, and Monday morning to see who the Stags matchup against.

--Stags4Life
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 26, 2006, 01:20:32 AM
Quote from: Stags4Life on February 26, 2006, 01:08:20 AM
Chapman defeated Nebraska-Wesleyan tonight 76-67 which, if I am not mistaken, means they make the tourney as a Pool B bid. 

No, that's not correct.  At least, if you mean that they clinched some sort of automatic bid by winning that tournament of independent teams, that's not correct.  Chapman is a Pool B team; there are no automatic bids in Pool B.  (Pool B is the independents, and members of conferences that don't have automatic bids, such as the GSAC and President's AC.)  There are 4 bids available to those eligible for Pool B consideration, and those bids will be the first 4 extended on the selection conference call (after the Pool A automatic bids, of course.)

I think it is unlikely that Chapman will receive one of those Pool B bids, but I'm hardly an expert on the "Bumblin' B's."  There is a board in the multi-region room devoted to discussion of the B-teams.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Stags4Life on February 26, 2006, 01:50:00 AM
Quote from: David Collinge on February 26, 2006, 01:20:32 AM
No, that's not correct.  At least, if you mean that they clinched some sort of automatic bid by winning that tournament of independent teams, that's not correct.  Chapman is a Pool B team; there are no automatic bids in Pool B.  (Pool B is the independents, and members of conferences that don't have automatic bids, such as the GSAC and President's AC.)  There are 4 bids available to those eligible for Pool B consideration, and those bids will be the first 4 extended on the selection conference call (after the Pool A automatic bids, of course.)

Ok, thanks.

--Stags4Life
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Liger Hoops on February 26, 2006, 11:18:28 PM
Wonderful news for the SCIAC on the front page ... TWO SCIAC teams are in the dance!!! Oxy pulls a Pool C bid while CMS obviously got the automatic. Let's all hope that both teams do some damage and make some noise in the playoffs!!!



Maybe we get the bid to make up for the awful football pairing this past season  :D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sagecock on February 26, 2006, 11:43:42 PM
Now I understand that Oxy had the overall record and the win over Amherst, but they also finished the season on a 4-game losing streak compared to the Hens 4-game win streak (of which Oxy was involved).  It's great that the SCIAC got some love with two teams, but I can't help but think that a rolling PP team should have been given some consideration over a tanking Oxy squad.  The fact that Whitworth got overlooked as well is also a shame considering their overall record is just as strong (20-7 to 19-5) and the only difference between them and Oxy/UPS is 1-point. 

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on February 26, 2006, 11:50:05 PM
Quote from: diehardfan on February 23, 2006, 01:00:52 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 23, 2006, 04:39:30 AM
Quote from: Stags4Life on February 23, 2006, 03:06:21 AMI am not completely sure, but I do not think those rankings include the Pomona loss, look for that loss and a Caltech win to drop Oxy a spot or two down the rankings.
Exactly. That's why I said that the situation was worse for Oxy than would be indicated by Wednesday's ranking. It doesn't reflect either the Pomona-Pitzer loss or the upcoming Pyrrhic victory over Caltech.

Hmmm... thought I said that... guess I didn't exactly do that. I guess I was expecting reader to make the leap they were currently fourth and going to stay fourth, their chances would have been excellent for a C bid. If they hadn't lost to PP, or that game was counted in this ranking, they would have simply remained fourth in the regional rankings, and first in line for a pool C.

Their loss, and the corresponding drop in the poll is what will make them the second or third west team in line to get a pool c.
That's what I meant when I said even if "the only upset in the conference tourney is Whitewater or La Crosse upsetting stout, Oxy could still be the second or third Pool C candidate from the region."

I didn't lay my argument out clearly at all. But this is a little more detail about what I think and why I think it.

The next two teams in the rankings (who were going to pass Oxy in the next rankings anyway) are the only ones who will probably upset anyone ranked above them. That means that even with conference upset concerns, Oxy will still be looking at the 2-3 slot in line for a Pool C for the West region. This is a little better than the situation in other regions, where conference upsets will affect teams on the Pool C bubble much more... does that make sense? Oxy's chances are certainly dire, but they are perhaps better than the most dire of dire?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on February 26, 2006, 11:51:52 PM
Oh my...I went to church tonight and my prayers were answered!  What great news for Oxy and the SCIAC.  I hope Coach Newhall and the boys kept their jerseys!

Calling Andy Holmes, calling Andy Holmes...

Perhaps not related to the football pairing, but I sure feel better this time around.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tom Brady on February 27, 2006, 12:33:34 AM
Congrats OXY and best of luck wherever you go.  Represent the SCIAC well.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on February 27, 2006, 12:37:46 AM
Sagecock, two key results:  Oxy beat Amherst, which rolled PP and Oxy split with CMS, which swept PP.  Plus, PP did lose to Whittier down the stretch while Oxy's last two losses were on the road to CMS and PP down the stretch.  Thus, Oxy's two bad losses in conference are offset by PP's one and the aforementioned results.  Oxy beat two tourney teams, PP one.  Last, even setting officiating aside, PP got every break imaginable in the game against Oxy on Feb. 20 (Knowles' bounce on the front rim for 3, the bounce on Porter's FT, not to mention a 2+ standard deviations from the norm 20-24 from the line).  If you're gonna take a team from the SCIAC, the choice, by a preponderance, was Oxy.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on February 27, 2006, 12:38:56 AM
Don't be surprised if Oxy plays at CMS on Thursday, with the winner going to Tacoma(?) on Sat.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 27, 2006, 01:07:48 AM
Quote from: tigersports on February 27, 2006, 12:38:56 AM
Don't be surprised if Oxy plays at CMS on Thursday, with the winner going to Tacoma(?) on Sat.

That's my prediction, FWIW.  Then again, I don't think I would have projected a bid for Oxy if I had looked closely at the west.  I'm glad, though.  Congratulations to Oxy!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sagecock on February 27, 2006, 03:06:26 AM
Quote from: tigersports on February 27, 2006, 12:37:46 AM
Sagecock, two key results:  Oxy beat Amherst, which rolled PP and Oxy split with CMS, which swept PP.  Plus, PP did lose to Whittier down the stretch while Oxy's last two losses were on the road to CMS and PP down the stretch.  Thus, Oxy's two bad losses in conference are offset by PP's one and the aforementioned results.  Oxy beat two tourney teams, PP one.

I was referring more to momentum then anything else.  I still beleive a surging PP team is just as qualified as a slumping Oxy squad.  You say that the two bad losses are comparable to PP's singular loss, however, that ignores the fact that they both came at the end of the season when they would have counted the most.  I realize the same argument can be made about the Hen's loss to Whittier, but instead of bouncing back from the loss to Laverne the Tigers dropped 3 straight after beating Cal-Lu.  I don't think you can equate the two at all.

QuoteLast, even setting officiating aside, PP got every break imaginable in the game against Oxy on Feb. 20 (Knowles' bounce on the front rim for 3, the bounce on Porter's FT, not to mention a 2+ standard deviations from the norm 20-24 from the line).  If you're gonna take a team from the SCIAC, the choice, by a preponderance, was Oxy.

That's why they play the game.  Same could be said for the first game when Oxy beat PP.  Oxy may have been the clear pick at the begining ofthe season but with their current level of play I don't think it should be so obvious.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 27, 2006, 04:31:33 AM
Quote from: Sagecock on February 27, 2006, 03:06:26 AM
Quote from: tigersports on February 27, 2006, 12:37:46 AM
Sagecock, two key results:  Oxy beat Amherst, which rolled PP and Oxy split with CMS, which swept PP.  Plus, PP did lose to Whittier down the stretch while Oxy's last two losses were on the road to CMS and PP down the stretch.  Thus, Oxy's two bad losses in conference are offset by PP's one and the aforementioned results.  Oxy beat two tourney teams, PP one.

I was referring more to momentum then anything else.  I still beleive a surging PP team is just as qualified as a slumping Oxy squad.  You say that the two bad losses are comparable to PP's singular loss, however, that ignores the fact that they both came at the end of the season when they would have counted the most.  I realize the same argument can be made about the Hen's loss to Whittier, but instead of bouncing back from the loss to Laverne the Tigers dropped 3 straight after beating Cal-Lu.  I don't think you can equate the two at all.

No, they don't "count the most" at the end of the season. End-of-season performance is not a criterion looked at by the national committee. Neither is overall record, which you cited in your previous post as a reason why Pomona-Pitzer should've gotten in instead of Oxy.

Quote from: Sagecock on February 27, 2006, 03:06:26 AMThat's why they play the game. Same could be said for the first game when Oxy beat PP. Oxy may have been the clear pick at the begining ofthe season but with their current level of play I don't think it should be so obvious.

Actually, it was pretty obvious that Oxy was a better Pool C candidate than Pomona-Pitzer, based upon the relevant factors, i.e., the five primary criteria.

Pomona-Pitzer's in-region winning percentage was slightly higher (13-4, .765, compared to Oxy's 12-4, .750). But that was more than offset by a large difference in the Quality of Wins Index in Oxy's favor (9.750, good for 42nd place in the country, as compared to 9.353 and 62nd place for the Sagehens). CMS was probably ranked in that final unseen regional ranking that the West Region committee put together on Sunday, which would've given Oxy yet another leg up on the Sagehens (Oxy went 1-1 against CMS, while the Stags swept their cross-campus rivals). If it ever got to secondary criteria, then the Amherst results would've come into play. But I doubt it ever got that far, because Pomona-Pitzer did not appear to be a serious candidate for a Pool C bid. Several other teams that were left on the outside looking in appear to have been better alternatives than the Sagehens: Bates, Washington (MO), Lakeland, Keene State, Trinity (CT), and Whitworth all appear to have been more qualified Pool C candidates than the Sagehens, and perhaps MIT and Mary Hardin-Baylor as well.

Anyway, congrats to Oxy ... the team that completely gobsmacked all the expert bracketologists. The Tigers appear to have been the 59th and final team picked for the big dance, but that won't matter a bit next weekend. Every scoreboard in the tournament will start out 0-0, and that's the beauty of March.

SCIAC fans, get ready to see your two teams square off on Thursday night in the opening round. I fully expect you to scream bloody murder should that likely eventuality come to pass, but look at the reality of the situation: You're geographical orphans, with no other tournament teams within a thousand miles, and the D3 tournament runs a tight budget as far as plane fares are concerned.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Loggerville on February 27, 2006, 09:13:37 AM
Mr. Sager shows yet again why he has so many starts under his name - good call on the pairings, though I am sure we all saw that one coming!  See the SCIAC "champion" in Tacoma.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dj_hyphen on February 27, 2006, 10:17:36 AM
I'm glad the SCIAC got 2 teams in, although too bad my PP boys dropped a few too many to get that bid.  But congrats to CMS and Oxy...although like Sager mentioned, the likely match up between the two should be pretty damn annoying for all of us.  I understand all the reasons though, so it makes sense...but our first year with 2 teams will really feel like 1 after that game  :-[
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on February 27, 2006, 10:35:15 AM
I guess the Powers that be allowed two SCIAC teams into post-play like some of us were praying for......

Here's to hoping that the stags and tigers have a great run in post-play.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on February 27, 2006, 10:40:11 AM
Sweet the stags come to the Rock for the first round of post-play. The powers that be are really awesome in basketball.....
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: samiam on February 27, 2006, 10:41:17 AM
Not that I'm complaining, but how is it that CMS plays at Oxy?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on February 27, 2006, 10:43:10 AM
Stag fans can't be happy, and rightfully so as they were the better team this year.  We'll be there though!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on February 27, 2006, 11:56:09 AM
Does CMS' gym not meet NCAA regulations?  This makes little sense to me...But, like TigerSports, I am not complaining.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: El Tigre on February 27, 2006, 12:26:44 PM
Congrats to Oxy on making the playoffs!!! :o ... thank you god for having it in the ROCK!  I mean I would travel anywhere to watch the game, but I hate the gym at CMS it is in no way large enough for a playoff game of this caliber.  Oxy is the best site for the game. 

Boys wash those ref jerseys b/c we got one more game!

Eat'em up tigers!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on February 27, 2006, 12:45:33 PM
 
Quote from: OxyFan21 on February 27, 2006, 11:56:09 AM
Does CMS' gym not meet NCAA regulations? This makes little sense to me...But, like TigerSports, I am not complaining.


Naa... the main requirement is having over 1000 seats, which CMS has.

CMS, despite being the leagues Autobid, doesn't rank as well in the criteria the NCAA uses... so while it seems crazy that they're at Oxy, I was 100% sure that would happen last night. In fact, despite the fact that I think Oxy has to be better than several of the other teams in the tourney, I wouldn't be surprised if they were a last minute stickin, purely for the fact that it made a cheap first round game in the West region.

While I have no particular loyalities to CMS or Oxy, and simply hope that whichever team will represent the SCIAC best makes it out of here, it would be sorta fun for the Oxy team to shove their token bid in the NCAA's face by making a nice tourney run.

For the frustrated CMS fans, it helps at all, just ask the Wheaton women how they felt getting the raw deal last year in the NCAAs compared to Millikin despite grabbing the autoqualifer, or the NCC Cardinals how they feel about being the bottom team in their entire bracket despite clearly winning the auto bracket this year. The selection and bracketing system is strange, and a lot of the time, it's just plain wrong. But, I guess in some ways, it makes a little sense.... Millikin got the higher seed last year in Women's basketball despite not getting the autoqualifier, and they parlayed it into a national title. I guess we'll just have to wait and see what happens with this year's examples.

On the plus side, there will be a guaranteed SCIAC team in the second round!  :D  :-\  :'(
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OXY Oswald on February 27, 2006, 01:57:10 PM
Great news for the Tigers! 

The Rock will be electric on Thursday.

Go Tigers beat those nasty Stags!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: mr_rayburn on February 27, 2006, 02:06:22 PM
Quote from: OXY Oswald on February 27, 2006, 01:57:10 PM
Go Tigers beat those nasty Sagehens!

FYI Oswald...Pomona-Pitzer, aka the Sagehens, did not make the tourney.  Oxy is going up against the Stags from CMS.  Just a minor distinction.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 27, 2006, 04:04:10 PM
I was blinded by CMS's SCIAC title, but of course diehardfan is right (she usually is)--Oxy has the better bona fides in the eyes of the NCAA and "deserved" to host on that basis.  I wish I could be there, but alas! I'll be in Oregon on Thursday. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Stags4Life on February 27, 2006, 04:50:25 PM
What is the capacity of Oxy's gym?

--Stags4Life
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on February 27, 2006, 05:36:11 PM
I've got a week full of basketball.  I wish I could fly to LA, but the budget will not allow for travel at this time.  That being said, I'm doing alright, basketball-wise this week:

Wed night: Attend Dayton vs. St. Louis U

Thur night: Listen to CMS vs. Oxy

Friday night: Attend Calvin College vs. Carroll College
                    Manchester College vs. Wash U

Saturday: Attend Missouri Valley Conference Semis
                SCIAC winner vs Puget Sound

Sunday: Attend Missouri Valley Conference Finals

GO TIGERS!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OXY Oswald on February 27, 2006, 05:55:23 PM
Quote from: mr_rayburn on February 27, 2006, 02:06:22 PM
FYI Oswald

Oops, thanks
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Liger Hoops on February 27, 2006, 06:39:03 PM
When is conference MVP announced?  As the season ended, it looked like Taylor had it locked up but if the Tigers can pull out a win at home this week, would Betty be the pick?


This will be a huge game for both programs. I would think that both programs want to advance to prove they can move out of the conference and play with some of the elite of D-III hoops. And bragging rights never hurt. Get it done Tigers!!!


Safe travels to the CMS loyal and all other elsewhere (OxyFan21- that's a great week of games). Here's hoping the winner can go to UPS and make some noise for the SCIAC.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Stags4Life on February 27, 2006, 07:42:32 PM
Quote from: Liger Hoops on February 27, 2006, 06:39:03 PM
When is conference MVP announced?  As the season ended, it looked like Taylor had it locked up but if the Tigers can pull out a win at home this week, would Betty be the pick?

Haha, nice try.  No, I believe Miles Taylor is the SCIAC MVP and nothing that happens in the playoffs will change that.  Miles Taylor will prove why he is the SCIAC MVP this Thursday at Oxy as he has all year long.  I am looking forward to the huge game, see all you Oxy fans out there.

--Stags4Life
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dj_hyphen on February 27, 2006, 07:44:28 PM
 ???  I dislike CMS as much as anyone, but to send them on the road to Oxy is complete crap.  Anyway you slice it, the committee dropped the ball...CMS is clearly the better team over the course of the year, and especially right now.  Horrible move there, as they should have hosted or at the very worst played at Pomona or Whittier (probably the 2 best gyms in SCIAC...until CLU's opens).  I know they don't play em in neutral sites, so that's moot...but if I was a CMS player, fan, or coach, i'd be livid.

I hope they don't feel sorry for themselves and still come to play.  Oxy's gym is better than CMS', but it's still crap...eh well, I'd probably root for Oxy to take out my rivals anyway...
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciacguru on February 27, 2006, 07:54:31 PM
Quote from: Liger Hoops on February 27, 2006, 06:39:03 PM
When is conference MVP announced?  As the season ended, it looked like Taylor had it locked up but if the Tigers can pull out a win at home this week, would Betty be the pick?

Official results:
MVP - Taylor

1st Team
Parsons, Maceri (cms)
Greenlee (ULV)
Wexlor Beron (PP)
Mazarei (UR)
Betty (oxy)

2nd Team
Phillips (oxy)
Knowles, Lloyd (PP)
Mesaros (WC)
Lepiashinski (clu)
Brown (ulv)
Carlson  (cit)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: K.C. on February 27, 2006, 08:05:49 PM
Quote from: Liger Hoops on February 27, 2006, 06:39:03 PM
When is conference MVP announced? As the season ended, it looked like Taylor had it locked up but if the Tigers can pull out a win at home this week, would Betty be the pick?

No way.  MVP is based on conference games only...even if Betty had a huge game on Thursday it wouldn't make a difference.  Typically, the MVP is awarded to a player from the conference champion.  The only exception I can think of is two years ago, when Avedian from CalLu won it after Pomona won the conference.  He was clearly the best player in the conference, however...you can't make the same argument for Betty over Taylor.

Does anyone know if Oxy is selling tickets to Thursday's game, or is it free as usual, or what?  When they hosted a playoff game three years ago, we bought tickets in advance.  It was a full house then, and I'm sure it will be even more so on Thursday with CMS fans making the easy trip.  I want to be sure I get a seat for CMS-Oxy III - this is gonna be awesome!


 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on February 27, 2006, 08:18:56 PM
The ncaa has a set charge for games, I believe, though I think the schools can add on to it, cause my playoff tickets haven't always been the same price...

Heck... I just realized, if I'm able to make it at all, I'm probably going to get to the gym at the last second... maybe it's not worth the risk of the 2hr drive each way just to get shut out of the game?  :'(
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 27, 2006, 08:42:50 PM
Quote from: diehardfan on February 27, 2006, 08:18:56 PMHeck... I just realized, if I'm able to make it at all, I'm probably going to get to the gym at the last second... maybe it's not worth the risk of the 2hr drive each way just to get shut out of the game?  :'(

Aw, c'mon, April, what kind of an attitude is that? You're the Lincoln of D3 fans (the school, not the president  ;)). To paraphrase Roger Miller and a song that was popular long before your time, you're the queen of the road. You're the one that we count upon to always go the extra mile to see any and every D3 game possible. Besides, it's the tournament.

I hate to see you turn into just another blase, unzealous oldster like the rest of us.  ;)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on February 27, 2006, 08:50:42 PM
Lol... true... I wish I had no responsibilities like the good old days... basketball games every night of the week, in four states. :D Unfortunately, I am getting more conservative with the mileage on my car in my old age... okay, not really!  :D

Your issue isn't with me, it's with the Oxy or CMS fan who is going to steal my ticket.  :D  ;)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: K.C. on February 27, 2006, 11:02:38 PM
Thank you, sir.  Looks like I'll be making a trip in the rain to get tickets tomorrow.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WestCoastWhiner on February 27, 2006, 11:18:39 PM
Committee sent a message loud and clear to the SCIAC with letting Oxy host: do something out of your conference to get our respect.  PC and Sagers have been telling us that for years on this thread, and I for one have weakly tried to dispute it with anecdotal evidence about the competitiveness of our teams.   Playing well against Biola, Azuza and within our conference just doesn't mean anything outside of the Southland.  And really, if you think about it, should it?  We just have to win those non-conference DIII games, the few and far between that they are.  When the snowbirds come out, we have to do what Oxy did to Amherst.  CMS had a great, great SCIAC.  But they haven't done ANYTHING outside of the conference except beating 2 strong Cali NAIA teams and Augsburg.  The rest of the nation doesn't care about that as much as the losses to Wash U, George Fox and Pacific.

Oxy beats Amherst, Whitworth and Chapman.  They get the national nod.  

Don't like it, too bad.  Beat a DIII team note outside of an hour away from your dorm room.  

Preview of SCIAC tourney is coming Thursday.  Should be exciting.  I'm sure CMS guys are mad that they were punked by the Committee.  And Oxy, well, it might be fun for to watch them ruin CMS's parade and then wait for the whining here on the thread about how they didn't deserve to have to travel on the road to the Rock.  Unfortunately for them, deserve has got nothing to do with it.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fosheezie on February 28, 2006, 12:46:23 AM
WCW, good to be back, I just had my own little season to contend with.  But lets face it, CMS should be hosting this game.  I almost crapped my pants to hear that Oxy is hosting after losing 4 straight, let alone barely getting in.  The committee members must be from Chico or Thousand Oaks (GD), those dudes are smokin' some serious crack.  CMS will come out electric, and my prediction is this, and remember what THE Fosheezie says:

CMS:   54   OXY:  48

You heard it hear first.  Just sad to not see my Sagecocks involved in this next year....and oh yeah, if you are a guard as good as Knowles, you are gonna get the green light.  Who else is gonna score?  You don't take the ball out of your best players hands...you just ride his waves!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fosheezie on February 28, 2006, 12:48:30 AM
How the hell do I have a negative 1 Karma, that's some BS.  Are Patricia and Greggy still mad I punked them years ago.  Oh well!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 28, 2006, 01:34:59 AM
That can't be THE Fosheezie. It may be A Fosheezie, but I'm going to need to see a driver's license and vehicle registration to prove that it's THE Fosheezie.

I don't smite. But I don't get punked, either.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 28, 2006, 01:42:07 AM
Quote from: sciacguru on February 27, 2006, 05:08:31 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 27, 2006, 04:53:11 PM
Stags4Life:

>>What is the capacity of Oxy's gym?<<

Official capacity of Rush Gymnasium is 1,800.

OxyBob

It still isnt big enough for {DELETED}

This post does nothing to add to the conversation and only serves to bash a fellow poster. That's why I removed it the first time. It is not in accordance with the TOS.

Please don't re-repost it.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: blackhawks4 on February 28, 2006, 01:54:41 AM
Fosheezie...that last comment may have made you my favorite poster on the board.  Unfortunately, I do have a feeling we aren't gonna be on good terms for long. 

Just wondering who's comin up from the SCIAC to Tacoma to get drilled.

Has Oxy really lost 4 in a row and they are hosting???Is that true?  For the sake of your conference...you better hope CMS wins.

Did Oxy really only beat Cal Tech by 14?  Shoot, I'm hopin' for CMS...just so it stays closer than 30.    

Logger fans are already booking their nonrefunadable flights to Wisconsin.

Hippies and basketball...thats what UPS does.
 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OXY Oswald on February 28, 2006, 03:17:09 AM
Quote from: blackhawks4 on February 28, 2006, 01:54:41 AM
Just wondering who's comin up from the SCIAC to Tacoma to get drilled.

Has Oxy really lost 4 in a row and they are hosting???Is that true?  For the sake of your conference...you better hope CMS wins.

Did Oxy really only beat Cal Tech by 14?  Shoot, I'm hopin' for CMS...just so it stays closer than 30.    
The Tigers are concentrating on the Stags right now, but I'm itching for a good reason to road trip up to Washington blackhawk.

Oxy dropped three at the end of their season. Redlands, CMS, and Pomona.

The Tigers beat Cal Tech 81-46.  Which if my math is correct is... carry the one.. yeah more than 14 points.

Can't wait 'til Thursday rolls around!

Go Tigers!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Liger Hoops on February 28, 2006, 04:21:28 AM
Quote from: OXY Oswald on February 28, 2006, 03:17:09 AM

The Tigers beat Cal Tech 81-46. Which if my math is correct is... carry the one.. yeah more than 14 points.

Our beloved Tiger beat the Techers by an awfully low 14 points on 2/1. I guess it was a foreshadowing of a rough month for the Tigers: Beat CIT by less than 30 (Although they were SO much better this year), drop 2 games at home and 2 more on the road. Luckily for us, February leaves us with a huge gift.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on February 28, 2006, 07:42:44 AM
Oxy did lose 3 of its last 4, but all of those games were close.  129-123 vs. Redlands, 62-55 @ CMS, and 67-63 @ Pomona in OT.  If you take a look at their entire season, they did not steamroll through the schedule as they did in '02-'03.  The first time through the schedule, we beat CMS and Pomona by a combined 5 points. 

As we saw in '03, anything can happen in the post-season.   I bet nobody in here predicted the Elite 8 run that year for the Tigers even though they were undefeated in SCIAC. 

I think that the Tigers will take this reprieve from the NCAA and run with it.  Yes, I am suprised that the game is in Eagle Rock, but I was also suprised when our football team had to travel to Linfield. <-----sometimes, the committee just makes strange, but very calculated financial decisions.  Which, I guess, makes it not so strange.  We are on an island, and I think in this case, it helped.  I'd hate for the Tigers or CMS to have to travel far in Round 1.  Remember, in our little fishbowl, a trip a few hrs down the highway is considered far.

BTW, welcome back Fosheezie. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on February 28, 2006, 07:44:10 AM
Eye of the Tiger,
I got a peek of your guys' ref shirts...I like them very much!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WestCoastWhiner on February 28, 2006, 09:45:00 AM
Blackhawk-whalesaving-blowupthedamstosavethesalmon-parkawearing-UPSfan,

Amazing that you are even on this thread.  Kind of like a guy from UConn going on the thread and talking crap to the Davidson fans before they play them in the 1st round. 

Book your flight.  No SCIAC team has a chance at UPS.  Oxy's backcourt is too young and CMS can't beat Pacific (which granted, will be legit in a few years, but isn't yet).  Look at it like a nice, easy game for your varsity to tune you up for beasts you will face in the next round.  The SCIAC teams won't roll over but they won't be a very difficult W for you. 


Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dj_hyphen on February 28, 2006, 10:15:29 AM
Quote from: OxyFan21 on February 28, 2006, 07:42:44 AM
they did not steamroll through the schedule as they did in '02-'03. 

again, I have to point out that if I remember right, Oxy won 2 games over PP that year by a combined 3 points or something miniscule like that.  Someone check the record books if they remember differently...I could be wrong...but they definitely didn't "steamroll," which I've seen mentioned here a few times.


and someone explain to me how having Oxy host instead of CMS is a money issue....I would assume that, despite being completely idiotic, the committee had Oxy host cause they deemed them the higher seed
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on February 28, 2006, 10:37:52 AM
Oxy fans, quick question, does anyone know if any tickets might be sold the day of the game? Or are tickets sold just on the days that some of you guys noted?

Anywho's, sure will be fun once thursday rolls around. And yes, Oxy's gym should be well enough to accommodate at least up to 1,800 screaming fans. Last time a first round game was played there the school decided to pull down the seats on both sides of the court and was just an awesome view of bright organne and black.....

Here's to waiting for thursday....Go tigers
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Loggerville on February 28, 2006, 11:10:55 AM
Quote from: WestCoastWhiner on February 28, 2006, 09:45:00 AM
Blackhawk-whalesaving-blowupthedamstosavethesalmon-parkawearing-UPSfan,

Amazing that you are even on this thread.  Kind of like a guy from UConn going on the thread and talking crap to the Davidson fans before they play them in the 1st round. 

Book your flight.  No SCIAC team has a chance at UPS.  Oxy's backcourt is too young and CMS can't beat Pacific (which granted, will be legit in a few years, but isn't yet).  Look at it like a nice, easy game for your varsity to tune you up for beasts you will face in the next round.  The SCIAC teams won't roll over but they won't be a very difficult W for you. 


As anyone who spends some time on the NWC board knows, Blackhawk never misses a chance to assert the greatness of the Loggers....and rightly so given the run of the past three years.  Here's to hoping WCW is correct - and I have to think she/he is.

- Lattesipping-treehugging-Volvodriving-hemploving-GreenPeacehangingoffthebridgesupporting UPS Logger Fan
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OXY Oswald on February 28, 2006, 12:17:30 PM
Quote from: Browneagle64 on February 28, 2006, 10:37:52 AM
Oxy fans, quick question, does anyone know if any tickets might be sold the day of the game? Or are tickets sold just on the days that some of you guys noted?

The tickets go on sale today in the Athletic office.  I would assume that there will be tickets on sale the night of the game, but that is depending on availability of course. 

Since you're in the area I'd say snatch your ticket up now, I am.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on February 28, 2006, 12:29:54 PM
So uh... this is when I start some shameless begging.  8)

Free diehardfan cookies, in a variety of your choice, plus a reimbursementof the cost of the ticket, to the first person who buys me a ticket to thursday's game so I don't have to be stressed out for the two hour drive Thursday evening. Please someone?  ??? I'm sure one of my non-SCIAC friends will be willing to back me up and state that my cookies are famous across the d3hoops.com land.  :-*

Surely some college aged Oxy guy will be willing to take me up on this offer? :D ;)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tom Brady on February 28, 2006, 12:30:32 PM
Fosheezie-  Was the little crack about Thousand Oaks and the initials (GD)<------- supposed to be about Cal Lu's assistant coach?  Just wondering if you had it out for the guy for one reason or another.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Stags4Life on February 28, 2006, 02:29:49 PM
Why does everyone seem to think neither of the SCIAC teams have a chance against UPS.  Forget the history for one sec, I know it is hard to, but I think the winner of the CMS-Oxy game will give UPS a fight and I do think UPS will lose.  Oxy has shown the capability to defeat a top 5 team in the nation and CMS, with the SCIAC's top defense, can play with anyone in Division 3 and beat them.

I do think CMS will defeat Oxy so I will speak as though CMS will play UPS.  CMS has been constantly improving all season.  I do not think you can look at that loss at Pacific and say they will lose.  CMS did not know its identity back then.  They know now.  They have the SCIAC MVP and 2 more first teamers and it will be tought for a team to shut all three of them down at once.  And with the Stag Defense, every game will come down to the wire and in my opinion, the Stag Defense will pull it out for CMS in the end against UPS just as it has for CMS all year long. 

Someone please provide some confidence in the SCIAC and do not admit defeat to the "graet" Loggers so soon, because you will be mad you didn't support your SCIAC come Saturday night.

--Stags4Life
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on February 28, 2006, 05:57:14 PM
Click on the link for Hoopsville on the front page.  Listen to the whole thing from last night...But, if you want to listen to Coach Newhall, click on Part 2 of the archive.  Very interesting discussion last night.

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pomonaalum on March 01, 2006, 12:35:56 AM
It's too bad that the two SCIAC teams are playing in the 1st round, but good to have 2 SCIAC teams in a sport other than baseball.  Will be interesting to see how far the 1st round winner goes.  Of course, no one gave P-P a chance when they went in and shocked Trinity on the road a few years ago, either...
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on March 01, 2006, 07:26:13 AM
Quote from: pomonaalum on March 01, 2006, 12:35:56 AM
It's too bad that the two SCIAC teams are playing in the 1st round, but good to have 2 SCIAC teams in a sport other than baseball.  Will be interesting to see how far the 1st round winner goes.  Of course, no one gave P-P a chance when they went in and shocked Trinity on the road a few years ago, either...

Nobody gave Oxy a chance in '03 either, especially when they traveld to Storm Lake.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on March 01, 2006, 09:41:00 AM
Hey Eye of Da Tiger,

They blocked us from using Myspace at work, so I'm going to respond to you here.  You bet I'll be listening, along with another Oxy alum from the Class of 2000.  If you guys start screaming something like "Leo's tacotruck, Leo's tacotruck", you'll hear me laughing all the way from St. Louis.  Craig Dunkin, voice of the Tigers will probably have a chuckle too.  I'm sure that chant has never been heard at a game before.  I'll be listening! 

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on March 01, 2006, 09:56:43 AM
"I was at a second-round game (from a bye-home-away bracket) at Occidental a couple of years ago, and it was special." -David Collinge, from the NCAA Tournament Board. 

Hope you don't mind DC, but I was reading the other boards and wanted to post your comment on this board.  I was at that game in March 2003, shortly before I moved from L.A. to St. Louis.  It was my last memory of Oxy and a great one at that.  The "broken ankles" chant ranks up there in my memory.

Let's make it another special night Tiger fans!
Title: NWC
Post by: bearcatsfan3 on March 01, 2006, 10:36:02 AM
Gentlemen, as a Willamette fan, I am obviously not on Blackhawks level as a UPS advocate...however, I am interested in hearing if any teams in your league play the type of style UPS does, and how you think either of your two schools matchup against the full court pressure UPS dishes out...

Oxy's game against Whitworth was a one-point decision as well wasn't it? And Lance Pecht, the NWC's POY from Whitworth, apparently played through that game with an injury...now, I am not saying that win by the Tigers wasn't impressive, but Whitworth and UPS are two different animals (style of play, personnel, etc) and in TACOMA, UPS is very, very good (seems their pressure amps up about 5 levels, and their shooting is much better, as is for most teams at home)...

As for CMS, the only real comparisons any of us NWCers have is their losses the past two years to GFox, Pacific and at home to Willamette...none of those teams made the post season (Fox finishing 4th, Pacific 7th in the NWC this year, and Willamette 5th a year ago)...has their personnel from the Willamette loss changed that much? I have no idea, but I do know that WU team lost at UPS by 25, and the Fox/Pacific duos that beat them this year lost by a combined 27...

Not knocking your teams, just looking at the only real comparisons we have between the teams...looking on this site, it looks like the two leagues battled fairly closely this year, NWC coming out on top 6 wins to 4...
Title: hmmmn...
Post by: bearcatsfan3 on March 01, 2006, 03:01:08 PM
OB,

"I believe that is known as home court advantage"

and I belive I said "which is true for most teams at home", especially ones that have lost 1 time in their gym in the past 3 years.

"Oxy and CMS are two different animals. Not knocking your team of course."

By this, do you mean they are as completely opposite in that one is a relentless, full court attack, three point shooting, individual one-on-on isolation team vs. another that is deliberate in running a number of half court sets for a 7-8 man rotation...because if so, Oxy/CMS would be very similar to the differences between Whitworth/UPS...if not, maybe you were just taking a swipe at my team for some unknown reason...BTW, not once did I claim WU's destruction of two of your worst teams was worth talking about...

If you read through my post, you'd realize I was looking for a comparison between Redlands style and UPS, and some talk about how each of your representatives in the tournament did against each...or some thoughts about how whether one or the other was best suited for a trip to Tacoma for the "old college try."  (I would guess you would say CMS, as Oxy gave up some ungodly numbers to Redlands and Mazarei(sp?))

Maybe my friend BHawks tainted the SCIAC folks approach to dealing with us NWCers...we're not all as "enthusiastic" as he is...some of us would enjoy a breakdown of two teams we haven't seen...


Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Stags4Life on March 01, 2006, 03:53:50 PM
Enough of this "they" beat "them" and they beat them.  Those debates have been  going on for years and they never predict that much.  Team playing style, health, home court, momentum, and team play mean alot more than "we" beat "them" and "they" lost to "them." So lets just wait till Saturday and then you can make your argument that UPS is dominant over the SCIAC or that the SCIAC is alot better than everyone thinks.

Answering someone's question, CMS is a very different team from last year's Willamette loss squad, returning 2 starters from that team and also their rotation and bench is completely different than it was during the Pacific and George Fox losses.  Also, those losses occurred very earlier in the season before this CMS team had found its offensive identity and its defensive cohesiveness and intensity.  They are a far better team than they were then, which is probably the case for most teams, but most especially for CMS if you loook at their early season performance and then their wins over two top NAIA teams and then into SCIAC play. 

Let's hope for a great game on Saturday.

--Stags4Life
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sagecat32 on March 01, 2006, 04:09:48 PM
For the record:

Cal Tech lost in overtime to Whittier.
Whittier beat Pomona-Pitzer.
Pomona-Pitzer beat Whitworth.
Whitworth beat UPS.
UPS beat UC Riverside.
UC Riverside beat Univeristy of Pacific.
UOP beat Texas A&M.
Texas A&M beat Nebraska.
Nebraska beat Marquette.
Marquette beat Georgetown.
Georgetown beat #1 Duke.

And thats why they play the games...
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Loggerville on March 01, 2006, 04:51:09 PM
Quote from: Sagecat32 on March 01, 2006, 04:09:48 PM
For the record:

Cal Tech lost in overtime to Whittier.
Whittier beat Pomona-Pitzer.
Pomona-Pitzer beat Whitworth.
Whitworth beat UPS.
UPS beat UC Riverside.
UC Riverside beat Univeristy of Pacific.
UOP beat Texas A&M.
Texas A&M beat Nebraska.
Nebraska beat Marquette.
Marquette beat Georgetown.
Georgetown beat #1 Duke.

And thats why they play the games...

that might be the best damn post I've seen today!  Great work SageCat32, point is well taken.  Aside from talk of who played who and who won over what team that looks nothing like it did early in the season, can some tell me if there is to be a web cast of the game Thursday night?  Good luck to both squads.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciacguru on March 01, 2006, 05:03:40 PM
Dang Sagecat..you beat me to the punch!!  Great Post!!
Just needed to add that "My Dad can beat up your Dad!"

Good luck to SCIAC at UPS!!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on March 01, 2006, 05:28:01 PM
Loggerville,

I don't think (almost certain) that there will  be a video webcast of the game.

You can, however, listen to www.oxybroadcast.com or it could be linked through this site as well.

 
Title: Re: hmmmn...
Post by: TeeDub on March 01, 2006, 05:48:41 PM
Quote from: bearcatsfan3 on March 01, 2006, 03:01:08 PM

If you read through my post, you'd realize I was looking for a comparison between Redlands style and UPS, and some talk about how each of your representatives in the tournament did against each...or some thoughts about how whether one or the other was best suited for a trip to Tacoma for the "old college try."  (I would guess you would say CMS, as Oxy gave up some ungodly numbers to Redlands and Mazarei(sp?))


If you are comparing your UPS to Redlands, then the SCIAC rep is in better shape than I thought....
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OXY Oswald on March 01, 2006, 06:39:29 PM
Quote from: Sagecat32 on March 01, 2006, 04:09:48 PM
For the record:

Cal Tech lost in overtime to Whittier.
Whittier beat Pomona-Pitzer.
Pomona-Pitzer beat Whitworth.
Whitworth beat UPS.
UPS beat UC Riverside.
UC Riverside beat Univeristy of Pacific.
UOP beat Texas A&M.
Texas A&M beat Nebraska.
Nebraska beat Marquette.
Marquette beat Georgetown.
Georgetown beat #1 Duke.

And thats why they play the games...

I love the post! Gave me a good laugh.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Stags4Life on March 01, 2006, 07:54:08 PM
Quote from: Sagecat32 on March 01, 2006, 04:09:48 PM
For the record:

Cal Tech lost in overtime to Whittier.
Whittier beat Pomona-Pitzer.
Pomona-Pitzer beat Whitworth.
Whitworth beat UPS.
UPS beat UC Riverside.
UC Riverside beat Univeristy of Pacific.
UOP beat Texas A&M.
Texas A&M beat Nebraska.
Nebraska beat Marquette.
Marquette beat Georgetown.
Georgetown beat #1 Duke.

And thats why they play the games...

Great Stuff Sagecat32!  That is actually the point I tried to get across with my explanation, but those results smash the point across. Thanks.

--Stags4Life
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on March 01, 2006, 08:43:02 PM
I wish I could find my link from my letter to the editor at the World Champion (you Healy fans will know of what I speak) in '03 that had Oxy number 1 based on their win over Fullteron.  Great post. 

Yes, we will broadcast the game at www.oxybroadcast.com. 
Title: Re: hmmmn...
Post by: Loggerville on March 01, 2006, 09:04:07 PM
Quote from: Jordis Rocks on March 01, 2006, 05:48:41 PM
If you are comparing your UPS to Redlands, then the SCIAC rep is in better shape than I thought....

pretty sure bcf3 wasn't comparing Redlands to UPS....very different styles from what I understand of what Redlands is running.  The Loggers will defend hard, play 94 feet, and run the shot clock when the situation calls for it.

Thanks for the updates on the web radio cast to those that provided them.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fosheezie on March 02, 2006, 12:58:25 AM
Okay, let me clear up a couple of issues....Yes, it is I The Fosheezie...alright I stole it from those NFL guys from THE Ohio St. University.  But it sounds like some authority since I still get a negative 1 karma from Patricia and G-Spot .

As for GD, Ricky Vaughn, we go way back, I am very, very close to the Cal Lu coaching staff. Not as close as those imbreeders up in Tacoma,  but its all for fun, cuz I know they check out what you SKIZAC Psychos write.  "Throw em da heater Ricky"

Much love for my boyz WCW and blackhawks, but I must change my prediction.  I am changing sides and actually rooting for the Tigers.  I just think they have a better shot and knockin' off those cocky Wood Spankers up in Tacoma.  So let's feed em a big fat s***burger, whether CMS or Oxy and build some cred for the SSSSSCIZAK!   :P
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on March 02, 2006, 03:20:44 AM
RRRIIIIIGGGHHHHTTTTT!

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on March 02, 2006, 07:55:36 AM
Pat,
I have a question...if things fall right (for my perspective, anyways) for the Tigers and they manage to get out of the 1st weekend, and a bunch of other things go right, could there possibly be a regional @ Illinois Weslyan or perhaps UW-Whitewater?  I mean, I would think those two schools would meet whatever criteria the NCAA has for Regionals?

I had a dream last night that I was gassing up my car to head to one of those two places...It could be just a dream, but I'm just wondering.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tom Brady on March 02, 2006, 11:51:13 AM
Right on Fosheezie.  I was just wondering.  Interesting post as well as the use of "Wood-Spankers"   I like that one.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 02, 2006, 12:14:08 PM
Quote from: OxyFan21 on March 02, 2006, 07:55:36 AM
Pat,
I have a question...if things fall right (for my perspective, anyways) for the Tigers and they manage to get out of the 1st weekend, and a bunch of other things go right, could there possibly be a regional @ Illinois Weslyan or perhaps UW-Whitewater?  I mean, I would think those two schools would meet whatever criteria the NCAA has for Regionals?

I had a dream last night that I was gassing up my car to head to one of those two places...It could be just a dream, but I'm just wondering.

I think it seems reasonable that the winner of the UWW regional would host the sectional, though if that's Carroll, I know nothing about their gym. Augustana is another good candidate. Puget Sound won't host b/c of geography and Lawrence seems too small to host.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on March 02, 2006, 01:13:29 PM
Game time is just around the corner at the Rock......

For those that will be attending the game, be ready for a huge screaming sea of bright oragne with some black. It should be awesome again to see the school's gym at Oxy at its highest capacity before the firemarshall rolls.

Both schools will be playing their strongest defensive game ever played so i expect it to be a low scoring game. However, in my opinion, Oxy's offense should be ready to get going again and produce far better results than what they were doing for the past five days. (Edge: Oxy wins big with their defense and moves up north)
Hope to see a lot of staggs coming out

Tigersports-------Eventhough, i'll be at the game, i wish the gym at Oxy had some system that would allow your play-by-play commentaries like you do for football...Go out and a fun and  great job in representing our school. I am sure the stagg fans on-line will like the broadcast. 

Go tigers
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SpooH SreggoL on March 02, 2006, 01:58:21 PM
Rick, those of us in the northwest are interested in the OXY/CMS game, but as a wise man once told you . . . "its not THAT important".  The Loggers will roll regardless.  If you make it up to Tacoma, I hope you're ready . . .  this isnt the California Penal League!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on March 02, 2006, 03:54:44 PM
PC,
I'm looking way ahead, but I'm glad to see that Augustana, Whitewater and IWU are all within driving distance of St. Louis.

Even if Oxy is not involved, I may be down for a road trip just to watch more good basketball.

Thanks for the response.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on March 02, 2006, 03:57:25 PM
Quote from: SpooH SreggoL on March 02, 2006, 01:58:21 PM
Rick, those of us in the northwest are interested in the OXY/CMS game, but as a wise man once told you . . . "its not THAT important".  The Loggers will roll regardless.  If you make it up to Tacoma, I hope you're ready . . .  this isnt the California Penal League!

I don't think Oxy or CMS can ever be compard to the Penal League, though I do catch your drift.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dj_hyphen on March 02, 2006, 05:01:38 PM
^^somebody needs to re-watch the classic that is "major league"
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 02, 2006, 05:06:17 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 02, 2006, 12:14:08 PMI think it seems reasonable that the winner of the UWW regional would host the sectional, though if that's Carroll, I know nothing about their gym.

I remember Van Male Arena as being a real dump, but it's got plenty of space for additional bleachers (or at least it did under the configuration by which I remember it; I haven't been there since Carroll left the CCIW for the MWC fifteen years ago). I remember it holding maybe a thousand people. I noticed, though, that in the Lawrence @ Carroll box score from two weeks ago the attendance was listed at 1,800. I don't know if they put in extra bleachers for that game, or if the person manning the computer at the scorer's table was so drunk that he/she was seeing double, or what.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 02, 2006, 05:36:38 PM
Quote from: OxyFan21 on March 02, 2006, 03:54:44 PM
Even if Oxy is not involved, I may be down for a road trip just to watch more good basketball.

Thanks for the response.

No problem. And you should absolutely do this. More fans should take the initiative to attend NCAA Tournament games even if their team isn't involved.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on March 02, 2006, 05:55:33 PM
Oh my gosh, I was just printing out stats to take with me to the Oxy game, since they didn't have a program the last game I attended. And there wasn't anything statwise that was a valid link! Nothing but season stats! Oh my gosh! How do you guys survive! How do you fully analyze a game result without stats? ??? ??? :o Argh!

CMS had the two games played previously by the two teams on THEIR website, fortunately, so I will come to tonights game fully armed. But seriously. You can't even keep stats for your own home games? Geeze... I'm starting to sympathize with how hard it is for the fans out here... not to mention a programs ability to recruit. God bless you all in the midst of your acute suffering, and thank God for Brett Marhanka!  :)

That's it, next year, I'm going to do some volunteer SIDing for someone.  ;)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Loggerville on March 02, 2006, 10:40:48 PM
Quote from: diehardfan on March 02, 2006, 05:55:33 PM
Oh my gosh, I was just printing out stats to take with me to the Oxy game, since they didn't have a program the last game I attended. And there wasn't anything statwise that was a valid link! Nothing but season stats! Oh my gosh! How do you guys survive! How do you fully analyze a game result without stats? ??? ??? :o Argh!

CMS had the two games played previously by the two teams on THEIR website, fortunately, so I will come to tonights game fully armed. But seriously. You can't even keep stats for your own home games? Geeze... I'm starting to sympathize with how hard it is for the fans out here... not to mention a programs ability to recruit. God bless you all in the midst of your acute suffering, and thank God for Brett Markanka!  :)

That's it, next year, I'm going to do some volunteer SIDing for someone.  ;)

DHF:  I hear ya....was looking to see what a low score at half was for these teams....have to assume this 22-12 is the worst for both teams this year!

Stags, really, 12 points?  wow.  and the radio guys are hammering your fans....tough first 20.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on March 02, 2006, 10:57:12 PM
lol... logger... they heard you :D

the noise in here is incredible :O
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 02, 2006, 11:02:42 PM
That phone of yours is something else, April.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Loggerville on March 02, 2006, 11:13:08 PM
Quote from: diehardfan on March 02, 2006, 10:57:12 PM
lol... logger... they heard you :D

DHF...are you at the game I take it?  Any comment on the guards of either of these squads?  curious how you think they would handle full-court pressure...sounds like it should be a good ending.  enjoy.  ;D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on March 02, 2006, 11:22:37 PM
Oh man, buckle up.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on March 02, 2006, 11:27:31 PM
I don't know... it's an extremely physical game... and neither team seems to be having THAT much trouble.. CMS's John Parson is pretty good... fast. He keeps making this guy on Oxy look like an idiot by blowing by him.

Really though, I think both guys have stronger inside games. In other words, they'll take those layups you give them. :D It's a shame one of these teams has to lose. they are dead even.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Loggerville on March 02, 2006, 11:33:31 PM
Quote from: diehardfan on March 02, 2006, 11:27:31 PM
In other words, they'll take those layups you give them. :D

easy, we aren't the Bulldogs ya know...thanks for the update...should be a good one in T-town Sat. night.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on March 02, 2006, 11:36:00 PM
Call Southwest Airlines, we're going to Tacoma!

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WestCoastWhiner on March 02, 2006, 11:49:06 PM
Fire up SCIAC fans!  Round 2 as the underdogs in the NW.  Tiger faithful are probably rallying pre-game at the Ram in Tacoma (8 minutes from the game) on 3001 N Ruston Way, Tacoma, WA 98402-5306.   I'll confirm that tomorrow and post it so those who are travelling from down south log on and confirm.

Logger fans.  We've got no chance.  Maybe the Stags but Oxy shouldn't even have been in the Tourney.   Good guys.  Be kind to them.  Hope they can give you a better game than a bottom-tier team in your conference.  May want to think about limiting the minutes of your starters and avoiding injuries. 

 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on March 02, 2006, 11:55:38 PM
If the makeup of students at Oxy today is similar to when I was there in '96-'00, there should be a ton of students from the Seattle/Tacoma area.

Make it a weekend trip home, take your laundry with you, check those Ding fares, get a good home-cooked meal and bring back a Tiger win! 

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: old_hooper on March 03, 2006, 12:15:04 AM
I'm not an Oxy fan but look for an upset in Tacoma.  Why, Phillips and Bety will be the factor.  Newhell is a good enough coach to figure out the pressure and will have a better game plan then Bridgeland.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on March 03, 2006, 12:51:22 AM
:D Terrible WCW... play nice :P

Oxy played a good game. I'm not sure they are the better team, and I'm unsure of how they would compare them to Puget Sound... whom I saw earlier this year. Hmmmmm...

Loggerville... 50 on Oxy... I like that kid. You wouldn't know it from the season stats... if you were actually able to find them, but he landed some key shots tonight. Anyone can guard better than #11 anyway, bless his heart... that kid  needs to run some suicides. :-/

20, on CMS was the best guy out on the floor for sure... grabs box score and looks at it while driving...Miles Taylor... did a great job of keeping his team in it.

Pat, does this officially make two things of mine that you are jealous of? Tell you what... I'll trade my car and my phone for a d3hoops.com press pass and your cute middle child  that I met at Catholic  last year?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 03, 2006, 12:56:41 AM
Quote from: diehardfan on March 03, 2006, 12:51:22 AM
Pat, does this officially make two things of mine that you are jealous of? Tell you what... I'll trade my car and my phone for a d3hoops.com press pass and your cute middle child  that I met at Catholic  last year?

Whoa ... uhh, no, love that boy to death. And the girls, too. :)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dj_hyphen on March 03, 2006, 01:03:50 AM
i wonder if i should make the trip down to UPS from Seattle this weekend...what time is the game?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on March 03, 2006, 01:12:05 AM
:D Okay Pat, just checking. :D :D :D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 03, 2006, 01:25:47 AM
Quote from: dj_hyphen on March 03, 2006, 01:03:50 AM
i wonder if i should make the trip down to UPS from Seattle this weekend...what time is the game?

All second-round games are at 7 local time.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Stags4Life on March 03, 2006, 04:51:41 AM
So Oxy defeated CMS tonight 48-41 and although Oxy has defeated CMS twice now of three matchups, I think most honest and knowledgeable fans would agree that CMS was actually the better team.  I think tonight that Oxy got a lot of breaks down the stretch that enabled them to get the win.  The things that come to mind are the mysterious offensive foul called on Taylor while driving past Zebb, the two offensive rebounds that tipped around players' hands before landing in an Oxy players hand under the basket for a layup, the two in and out threes in the last minute, and the no call when Taylor got clearlyshoved in the back trying to grab a rebound of one of those threes.  CMS played a horrible first half offensively, missing many layups.  They picked it up in the second half and Miles Taylor began dominating as he has all year.  Mani Maceira missed a few midrange jumpers that he usually sinks with ease and John Parsons and Dan Winterbottom were a combined 1 for 11 from 3pt.  From Oxy's standpoint, they did not do that much better offensively but it was enough to win.  Defensively, CMS limited Oxy's big guns as they had in the previous two meetings.  The difference might have been Oxy's defense if not CMS' missed layups.  Oxy's D pressured well and the Stags were not able to handle the physical play in the first half.  In the second half, the true CMS squad showed up and they pretty much dominated most of the second half.  The first half lapse was too much to overcome and it did not help playing in the Oxy gym which was a clear, and probably one of the bigger "breaks" that Oxy got.  I do not think Oxy would have had a chance at Ducey where the Stags finished undefeated this year.

Anyways, it was a great season for the Stags and they deserve to be called the 2006 SCIAC Champions, finishing with a record of 13-1, a mark only reached twice before in SCIAC history.  I will be gone from the board for a while now and I may or may not be back for next year.  It has been great chatting with the board even though it's mostly Oxy fans.  And one more thing, have any of you Oxy fans noticed how much of a jacka$$ and disespectful Connor Whitman is, or is it just me?

Have a good year and Go Stags!

--Stags4Life
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Loggerville on March 03, 2006, 08:57:56 AM
Quote from: old_hooper on March 03, 2006, 12:15:04 AM
Newhell is a good enough coach to figure out the pressure and will have a better game plan then Bridgeland.

Old Hooper:  and you are basing this coaching advantage on what now?  I'm sure Newheel is a fine coach, just not sure why you are so confident he will out coach Bridgeland?  For your sake (the the Tigers) you better hope he has a hell of a lot better game plan...playing Thursday, traveling, and facing a Logger team that is 45-3 at home the last four years, with the last two L's being an NAIA top ten this year and Stevens Point in '04, is a lot for your boys to try and overcome.  Maybe the
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on March 03, 2006, 10:05:00 AM
From what I understand, the Tigers planned ahead as though they were going to be playing on Saturday in terms of making tentative travel arrangements, etc.  Having traveled to Utah State and playing at a tough Azusa Pacific this year, I don't think they will be too intimidated by the environment.  They have also played at UNLV in the last year as well.  But, we'll see tomorrow.

Also, I think traveling to Tacoma may be a little less stressful than say...Storm Lake, IA.  And we all remember what happened then.

I don't know much about UPS' coach, but I know that Newhall has top of the line assistants.  For UPS fans, you'll see what I mean come Saturday.

Hoping for a good game Saturday night.  Nobody gave this team a shot of even making the tournament, and now we are into Round 2.

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TeeDub on March 03, 2006, 10:48:26 AM
Quote from: Stags4Life on March 03, 2006, 04:51:41 AM
So Oxy defeated CMS tonight 48-41 and although Oxy has defeated CMS twice now of three matchups, I think most honest and knowledgeable fans would agree that CMS was actually the better team.  I think tonight that Oxy got a lot of breaks down the stretch that enabled them to get the win.  The things that come to mind are the mysterious offensive foul called on Taylor while driving past Zebb, the two offensive rebounds that tipped around players' hands before landing in an Oxy players hand under the basket for a layup, the two in and out threes in the last minute, and the no call when Taylor got clearlyshoved in the back trying to grab a rebound of one of those threes.  CMS played a horrible first half offensively, missing many layups.  They picked it up in the second half and Miles Taylor began dominating as he has all year.  Mani Maceira missed a few midrange jumpers that he usually sinks with ease and John Parsons and Dan Winterbottom were a combined 1 for 11 from 3pt.  From Oxy's standpoint, they did not do that much better offensively but it was enough to win.  Defensively, CMS limited Oxy's big guns as they had in the previous two meetings.  The difference might have been Oxy's defense if not CMS' missed layups.  Oxy's D pressured well and the Stags were not able to handle the physical play in the first half.  In the second half, the true CMS squad showed up and they pretty much dominated most of the second half.  The first half lapse was too much to overcome and it did not help playing in the Oxy gym which was a clear, and probably one of the bigger "breaks" that Oxy got.  I do not think Oxy would have had a chance at Ducey where the Stags finished undefeated this year.

--Stags4Life

Oh to see the world through CMS-colored glasses....

I don't think CMS is the better 'team', rather they have a few better 'players'.  Oxy had to step up and play without their go-to-guy for almost the entire first half after Betty got popped for 3 fouls, two of which were (given how you measured calls above) questionable.  I found it amazing that Taylor, Parsons and Maceira couldn't take advantage of a Betty-less Oxy team in that first half...

In the second half, no doubt who the cream of this crop was, MILES TAYLOR.  He dominated the floor and singlehandedly got the game even at 37 -37 with about 4 to go.  And then, for some inexplicable reason, he doesn't touch the rock the next 4 trips down the floor.  Parsons was all but shut out of the second half and I think his desire to contribute may have gotten in the way, he took an ill-advised three during that 4 possession run and Maceira took two very 'interesting' shots, all during a time when Oxy had no answer for Taylor.  Oxy goes up 43-37 during that time of Taylor-less CMS offense and then late game panic set in and the game was over.

Taylor, however, definitely showed why he was the POY in the SCIAC, too bad the others didn't recognize what they had in him last night.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on March 03, 2006, 10:50:36 AM
Quote from: Stags4Life on March 03, 2006, 04:51:41 AM
So Oxy defeated CMS tonight 48-41 and although Oxy has defeated CMS twice now of three matchups, I think most honest and knowledgeable fans would agree that CMS was actually the better team.  I think tonight that Oxy got a lot of breaks down the stretch that enabled them to get the win.  ...  CMS played a horrible first half offensively, missing many layups.  ...  Mani Maceira missed a few midrange jumpers that he usually sinks with ease and John Parsons and Dan Winterbottom were a combined 1 for 11 from 3pt.  ... The difference might have been Oxy's defense if not CMS' missed layups.  Oxy's D pressured well and the Stags were not able to handle the physical play in the first half.  In the second half, the true CMS squad showed up and they pretty much dominated most of the second half.  The first half lapse was too much to overcome and it did not help playing in the Oxy gym which was a clear, and probably one of the bigger "breaks" that Oxy got.  I do not think Oxy would have had a chance at Ducey where the Stags finished undefeated this year.

--Stags4Life

I am a bit befuddled by your post, and I am among those who thought CMS was the better of the two teams.  I didn't listen to last night's game, but it's hard to believe it came down to a few bad breaks when you then provide a litany of things the Stags did poorly.  It's the NCAA tournament, you can't have a bunch of breakdowns against a good team and expect to win.

Congratulations to the Stags on a good run through the conference and a well deserved championship, and good luck to the Tigers as they head north to play UPS.  This is a real chance for Oxy to demonstrate their early season promise was for real.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Howlinwolf on March 03, 2006, 11:25:45 AM
Two words for Stag4Life: Sour grapes.

I agree that there isn't much difference between these two teams. And I agree CMS misses a number of chip shots. Nerves? Better interior defense by Oxy? Whatever, they didn't drop. CMS's seniors didn't play with the leadership and composure it takes to win in the playoffs.

Miles Taylor is a very good player, but if I had a nickel for every lowered shoulder he lays into a defender, I'd be retired by now. Beefing about that single call makes little sense, never mind shots that "normally" would have fallen.

To end your post with an unfounded knock on Whitman is classless.

The three games against Oxy were tight, physical battles against two determined teams.  Congrats. CMS had a great season.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bballfan2 on March 03, 2006, 11:56:28 AM
Quote from: Howlinwolf on March 03, 2006, 11:25:45 AM
Miles Taylor is a very good player, but if I had a nickel for every lowered shoulder he lays into a defender, I'd be retired by now. Beefing about that single call makes little sense, never mind shots that "normally" would have fallen.

To end your post with an unfounded knock on Whitman is classless.

For starters if he drops his shoulder then take a charge. And second, way to deliver a backhanded compliment then tell Howlin to be more classy. 

Finally, posting's been fun, but after a fun career I think I'm about to retire my playing and posting, good luck to Oxy up at UPS. Though I reserve the right to make the occasional Fosheezie like appearance.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ds0097 on March 03, 2006, 12:10:58 PM
Quote from: WestCoastWhiner on March 02, 2006, 11:49:06 PM
Tiger faithful are probably rallying pre-game at the Ram in Tacoma (8 minutes from the game) on 3001 N Ruston Way, Tacoma, WA 98402-5306. 
 

I would recomend either doing your pregame at The Spar (2121 North 30th Street, Tacoma, WA 98403, www.the-spar.com) or Katie Downs (3211 Ruston Way, Tacoma, Washington), both are right by the Ram, have better food, and most importantly, much better beer. Katie Downs has better TVs, but has a mellower atmosphere because it doesn't get too many college students (so maybe classier is a better description...). The Spar has more of a bar atmosphere and will be livelier and will probably have better specials. It also will have some Loggers, whatever effect that has on your decision...
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dj_hyphen on March 03, 2006, 12:47:43 PM
i recommend that you stay out of Tacoma in general except for the game  :D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on March 03, 2006, 12:54:37 PM
Congrats to the tigers for doing their best against a good stags team. The last few post pointed out pretty much what the game came out to be like and how the environment looked around the gym.

Good luck heading up north and playing in tacoma. It's awesome up there and should be the right setting for the tigers to take round 2 away from the Loggers.

Tigersports---- will you be streaming the game on-line this weekend?

Go Tigers
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Loggerville on March 03, 2006, 01:40:26 PM
Quote from: ds0097 on March 03, 2006, 12:10:58 PM
I would recomend either doing your pregame at The Spar (2121 North 30th Street, Tacoma, WA 98403, www.the-spar.com) or Katie Downs (3211 Ruston Way, Tacoma, Washington), both are right by the Ram, have better food, and most importantly, much better beer. Katie Downs has better TVs, but has a mellower atmosphere because it doesn't get too many college students (so maybe classier is a better description...). The Spar has more of a bar atmosphere and will be livelier and will probably have better specials. It also will have some Loggers, whatever effect that has on your decision...

both of those are good suggestions for the classy crowd.  for those looking to have a true Tacoma-type experience, head to the West End Tavern on the southeast corner of 6th Ave and N. Proctor.  Pluses included cheap drinks, good food, sightings of local T-town freaks, and most importantly, you can stumble the six blocks or so it is away from the Fieldhouse.  Dive bar doesn't begin to discribe this place, though it is a pre and post game fav.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciacguru on March 03, 2006, 01:49:24 PM
Quote from: OxyFan21 on March 03, 2006, 10:05:00 AM
From what I understand, the Tigers planned ahead as though they were going to be playing on Saturday in terms of making tentative travel arrangements, etc.  Having traveled to Utah State and playing at a tough Azusa Pacific this year, I don't think they will be too intimidated by the environment.  They have also played at UNLV in the last year as well.  But, we'll see tomorrow.

Also, I think traveling to Tacoma may be a little less stressful than say...Storm Lake, IA.  And we all remember what happened then.

I don't know much about UPS' coach, but I know that Newhall has top of the line assistants.  For UPS fans, you'll see what I mean come Saturday.

I dont think you can compare what the Tigers are going to face at UPS with their games at UNLV, Utah State and AZUSA.  I am pretty sure there were not 3000+ plus fans ranting and raving at those venues, and they werent NCAA atmospheres....granted they were against better talent.  But this is not a throw away game...this is a tournament game on the road.  And the crowd will be relentless.  As for Storm Lake, IA with 7 seniors on that OXY squad, this is much different.  They are playing a team in UPS that is relentless defensively.  They dont walk the ball up, and dont allow teams to run their offense.  Plus, Phillips is the only one that experienced that atmosphere.......from the bench.   I wish the Tigers/SCIAC the best of luck.  But going against that UPS squad at their place will  be nothing they have ever experienced in the last 2 years.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ds0097 on March 03, 2006, 02:22:01 PM
Quote from: Loggerville on March 03, 2006, 01:40:26 PM
both of those are good suggestions for the classy crowd.  for those looking to have a true Tacoma-type experience, head to the West End Tavern on the southeast corner of 6th Ave and N. Proctor.  Pluses included cheap drinks, good food, sightings of local T-town freaks, and most importantly, you can stumble the six blocks or so it is away from the Fieldhouse.  Dive bar doesn't begin to discribe this place, though it is a pre and post game fav.

Loggerville, do you really want it on our heads if one of the Oxy fans gets shot before the game? Of course it is a much truer representation of Tacompton...
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyD on March 03, 2006, 02:28:20 PM
Quote from: Jordis Rocks on March 03, 2006, 10:48:26 AM
I don't think CMS is the better 'team', rather they have a few better 'players'. 

I'd actually argue (with plenty of bias, of course) that Oxy's got the better team and the better players. Betty played 25 minutes, Taylor played 36. Betty scored 11, Taylor scored 16. Taylor might have had a bigger impact on his team, but that's only because the rest of them either can't shot the ball or think they are Reggie Miller and throw up 40-footers with 30 seconds on the shot clock. Betty doesn't have to drive every time he puts his hands on the ball because he knows that someone else will be able to contribute. Instead, he waits for good opportunities. That explains his 4-5 from the field as opposed to Taylor's 6-11.

They're both good players, but I don't think the evidence clearly favors Taylor. The game would have been much different if Betty hadn't gotten in foul trouble early.

Additionally, Betty has been really sick this past week. He hasn't been in class at all. Just throwing that out there.

My favorite part of the game: "we chose oxy."
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyD on March 03, 2006, 02:33:43 PM
Forgot to add this one bit:

11/25 = .44 PPM
16/36 = .44
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Eye of da TIGER on March 03, 2006, 03:44:07 PM
Very exciting game last night!!! The gym was rocking last nite, but maybe thats becuse i was sitting in the middle of the Oxy student section.  Congrats to both the Tigers and the Stags.  Its too bad I cant make the road trip up to Tacoma this Saturday.  With two test reviews on friday, the infamous LigerLover's 22nd bday celebration, and on top of that a 23 hour bus ride to Cabo San Lucas for spring break next week, Im going to have to cheer on my Tigers from Eagle Rock. 

OxyD,
I'm glad that you enjoyed the "We Chose Oxy" chant.  We had to come up with something to fire back at the CMS fans for the "Secondary School" and "CMS Rejects" chant.  I think we did a good job of that. ;D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TeeDub on March 03, 2006, 03:49:25 PM
Quote from: OxyD on March 03, 2006, 02:28:20 PM
Quote from: Jordis Rocks on March 03, 2006, 10:48:26 AM
I don't think CMS is the better 'team', rather they have a few better 'players'. 

I'd actually argue (with plenty of bias, of course) that Oxy's got the better team and the better players. Betty played 25 minutes, Taylor played 36. Betty scored 11, Taylor scored 16. Taylor might have had a bigger impact on his team, but that's only because the rest of them either can't shot the ball or think they are Reggie Miller and throw up 40-footers with 30 seconds on the shot clock. Betty doesn't have to drive every time he puts his hands on the ball because he knows that someone else will be able to contribute. Instead, he waits for good opportunities. That explains his 4-5 from the field as opposed to Taylor's 6-11.


Dude, don't get me wrong, I think Betty is awesome....and, Phillips is solid, Kostic is solid, Whitman can get you on some nights and Zebb is a tough competitor...all that being said I still think that Taylor is the most well-rounded, multi-dimensional player the SCIAC has to offer and Parsons "should be" the best guard in the conference given his athleticism and poise.  I wasn't basing my previous statement on last night's game.  If I were, Parsons would have had his First Team - All Conference status removed.  Maceira too for that matter.  I just meant over the course of the season, the Oxy squad is one that has good players who play very well together (even though I wish they would have fed Betty in the post a little more last night) while CMS has two or three very good players who don't seem to connect with one another very well.

FYI: I really have no allegiance to either program.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WestCoastWhiner on March 03, 2006, 04:06:21 PM
Checked out the NWC's thread, pretty much dead.  Maybe it is because UPS has been so dominant everyone else has gone on to other things.  That or the kids would rather be sipping their latte's at SBucks staying out of the rain.  Interesting that UPS has been able to generate such a following.  3000 fans is legit, especially given that the regular hoops fans will be at the Dome watching 3A ball.  We can look to model ourselves after the NWC in some respects.  The NWC has been running their athletic operations at a different level for a number of years now.   Take a look at their conference Website and you will understand immediately that these institutions care about excellence.  

Smart of Pacific to tap into a Kats protoge for their future.  Look for Pacific in the Sweet 16 within 4 years.  

UPS program is on a different level.  Good coaches, tough talent, solid system and consistent institutional support.  You don't beat UC Riverside unless you are legit - even as bad of a D1 as they are.  Still, I'm not counting out Newhall & staff, because these guys are finding ways to get things done in the Tourney and against higher ranked teams that no SCIAC team has done.  UPS has a crazy system but I'm not sure it is more solid than Oxy's.  Just different.   I will say that I think UPS's system will run into some serious issues against the UW schools, where the talent gaps flip the other way.  

I'll be there pulling for our boys to give them a game.  And you never know, on any given night...



 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: walzy31 on March 03, 2006, 04:41:42 PM
Thanks to the SCIAC

MCLA (MASCAC) to Duke (ACC)

MCLA beat Fitchburg St. by 4
Fitchburg St. beat Newbury by 4
Newbury beat Roger Williams by 20
Roger Williams beat Curry by 5
Curry beat Trinity by 5
Trinity beat Amherst by 3
Amherst beat Pomona-Pitzer by 19
Pomona-Pitzer beat Whitworth by 4
Whitworth beat Puget Sound by 24
Puget Sound beat UC Riverside by 4
UC Riverside beat Pacific by 8
Pacific beat Texas A&M by 7
Texas A&M beat Texas by 3
Texas beat West Virginia by 1
West Virginia beat Georgetown by 13
Georgetown beat Duke by 3

Duke is currently #1 (until Monday)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OXY Oswald on March 03, 2006, 07:32:56 PM
Great game, great atmosphere. 

A first half marked with missed oppotunities and tenacious defense by both teams made it interesting.  Claremont came on strong out of the break but just like everyone else has said Parsons couldn't do it by himself.  Great effort by the Tigers and Good Luck in Tacoma! Wish I could be there but I've got the same schedule as my pal Eye of da Tiger, so there's really no room for a 20 hour trip to watch our Tigers beat on some hippies.

Go Tigers!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on March 03, 2006, 11:04:05 PM
Yes, we will have the game at www.oxybroadcast.com.  Hopefully WCW and the others up there will come say hi.

Stag, I'm sorry bro, but that was just some sour grapes.  12 points in a half is a big hill to climb and CMS just pooped out after a great first 14 min to the second half.  I love Taylor and would probably like to have him as my own son (met his parents and they seem like great people) but even he was letting the Oxy crowd have it a bit, so go easy on Whitman.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 1992 on March 04, 2006, 02:34:41 AM
Good call on the Pacific hire WCW, glad to see a SCIAC assistant get a shot, word is he is on his way to doing for Pacific up there what Bridgeland has done for UPS.

Speaking of UPS, they will be ready to play, and they obviously hold the advantage tomorrow night at home and rested, tough task for Oxy.  Would be more fun to see these two on a nuetral court with equal rest and preparation time.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: castle on March 04, 2006, 03:13:09 AM
Congrats to both Oxy and CMS for making the tourney; it is great to see 2 sciac teams get in! 

I wanted to mention that the broadcast of the game was great; and the tourney coverage on this site is better ever year.

On to UPS; the northwest has not been kind to sciac teams in the tourney in recent years.  CLU @ Linfield in '01. CMS @ LC in '02.  PP @ UPS in '04 all lost by good margins.  Hopefully Oxy can change the trend; but it will not be easy.  The style of play and crowd will try to force a fast pace; not Oxy's strenght.  Oxy will have a chance to win, if they can keep the score in 70's or low 80's.  Good luck to Tigers!

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on March 04, 2006, 10:02:04 AM
I think that I was speaking more in terms of the Tigers being familiar with traveling out-of-state, staying overnight, etc.  Most teams in the SCIAC consider a 1 hour drive a "road trip", right?  This team, more than any other in the SCIAC should be ready for the rigors that come with traveling.  Now, having just played on Thursday night and then turning around and traveling the next day...that might be another issue.

I know it will be a tough environment with the 3,000 fans, but hey, it's March and we're still playing.

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on March 04, 2006, 10:07:02 AM
With McBride, Whitman, Alexander, Mills, Kostic and Betty all coming back next year, this Tiger squad could be dangerous next season too. 

Getting into the tournament and being successful can do nothing but help Newhall and his staff in terms of at least getting some more kids to look into studying at Oxy.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Loggerville on March 04, 2006, 10:32:15 AM
Quote from: ds0097 on March 03, 2006, 02:22:01 PM
Loggerville, do you really want it on our heads if one of the Oxy fans gets shot before the game? Of course it is a much truer representation of Tacompton...

great point, but when in Tacoma.....
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Loggerville on March 04, 2006, 10:43:54 AM
Quote from: WestCoastWhiner on March 03, 2006, 04:06:21 PM
Smart of Pacific to tap into a Kats protoge for their future.  Look for Pacific in the Sweet 16 within 4 years. 

Ok, up-front I will say that I know nothing of Pacific's new coach, so this is not aimed at him in any way.  But Cal Tech will win the SCIAC in the next four years before Pacific makes a NCAA sweet 16.  Just too much for that program to overcome from an institutional perspective regardless of who the coach is in that short of a window...not gonna happen.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WestCoastWhiner on March 04, 2006, 11:09:39 AM
Loggerfrontrunnerville, they said the same thing about Kats at Pomona.  Before he came on board the school had one only 1 SCIAC title in a century and wasn't that far removed from Cal tech.  Interesting to note that Popovich coached there a decade and won only 1 title and also that under Popovich, I'm pretty sure Pomona was the last varsity SCIAC team to lose to Cal Tech.  Would have been funny for Rick Reilly to note that this year in his article.  Might want to keep that in mind before you make a blanket statement about Pacific.  A great coach can do wonders.

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 04, 2006, 11:27:48 AM
Yes, Loggerville, only West Coast Whiner is allowed to make blanket statements about Pacific. :)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 1992 on March 04, 2006, 01:07:05 PM

Loggerville, you may know more about Pacific as an athletic institution than you do about their coach, and the same the other way around for WCW, yes- a Sweet 16 in 4 years is a short window, but saying Cal Tech will win the SCIAC before that will happen is a minor stretch. 

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Liger Hoops on March 04, 2006, 01:38:17 PM
I keep reading posts about the system that UPS runs but how does it compare to Redlands. Obviously they run it better than Redlands but is it the same concept (press D all game and lots of shooting) or is it a more controlled up-tempo game?

Took a look at UPS BBall website; very impressive stats over the past 2 seasons. Oxy will need to control this game the way they did in the game against Amhearst. Obviously, the atmosphere at UPS will be the polar opposite of that game (not a home game, etc) but look for the Tigers to go to Betty early and often just like they did against Amhearst. If anyone can play with some of the best players/teams in D-III, it's Betty.

Great to see this board liven up over the season and everybody back the SCIAC, regardless of what team they are a fan of. Let's all hope Oxy can pull-off the victory in front of what seems to be a great crowd at UPS and get some more recognition for SCIAC basketball.

Just out of curiosity ... When was the last time a SCIAC school won conference titles in both football and basketball in the same year? I think some oxy fans, including myself, felt we had a legit shot this year but we'll take the trip to UPS over the title.

Game time tonight???
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OXY Oswald on March 04, 2006, 02:44:34 PM
Game time is 7pm local time for all the games.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 04, 2006, 03:17:27 PM
Quote from: Liger Hoops on March 04, 2006, 01:38:17 PM
I keep reading posts about the system that UPS runs but how does it compare to Redlands. Obviously they run it better than Redlands but is it the same concept (press D all game and lots of shooting) or is it a more controlled up-tempo game?

UPS doesn't run the Grinnell system, a la Redlands. They play a more conventional pressing, run-and-gun game.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WestCoastWhiner on March 04, 2006, 06:38:45 PM
PC, always there to keep me in check.  Comforting to know you are there for me. 

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Loggerville on March 04, 2006, 09:19:18 PM
Quote from: WestCoastWhiner on March 04, 2006, 11:09:39 AM
Loggerfrontrunnerville, they said the same thing about Kats at Pomona.  Before he came on board the school had one only 1 SCIAC title in a century and wasn't that far removed from Cal tech.  Interesting to note that Popovich coached there a decade and won only 1 title and also that under Popovich, I'm pretty sure Pomona was the last varsity SCIAC team to lose to Cal Tech.  Would have been funny for Rick Reilly to note that this year in his article.  Might want to keep that in mind before you make a blanket statement about Pacific.  A great coach can do wonders.

WCW - Keep what in mind?  That Pop couldn't win at PP so your buddy Kats is a better coach?  That it is easier to win in the SCIAC then the NWC?  What exactly would you like me to keep in mind?  Come on WCW, my point is simply that a school such as Pacific, which is struggling with an athletic identity, has a long way to go to a Sweet 16.  For starters they will have to climb into the top three of a deep deep conference just to get into a NWC-playoff game.  Let's allow the team to win more than 25% of their NWC games before you go running your mouth about a Sweet 16 appearance.  I'm sure the program will improve under new blood, but your putting a lot of stock into a man who will have to fight with alumni and others for program resources given the decision to add football at PAC in '07.  Best of luck to him, just can't let you make the blanket "he will save the Boxers" statement.  Where am I, the NWC board?

And Loggerfrontrunnerville - is that the best you can do?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on March 04, 2006, 10:44:23 PM
42-40 UPS over Oxy at the half.  Exciting game to be listening to . . . Tigersports you're doing a great job on the broadcast.

GO TIGERS!!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on March 04, 2006, 11:21:04 PM
63-63 with 9:20 remaining.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Loggerville on March 04, 2006, 11:23:03 PM
In response to the Oxy radio commentator question about UPS colors....he noted a "change" from green and gold to the current white and maroon.  the current colors are the original colors from the founding of the University; green and gold was the choice of the football program in the early 60's (hey day of the Packers and all) when they had a chance to pick "athletic" colors.  The return to white and maroon was done when UPS became DIII members in Fall of 1999.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on March 04, 2006, 11:51:10 PM
Good job Tigers.  Way to represent the SCIAC.  Close game until the last 3:00 minutes. 

Hopefully, this will give us a better rep nationally.  Was looking forward to seeing the Tigers here in the Midwest...But, maybe next year!

Don't hang your heads!

UPS  89
Oxy  81  Final.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Loggerville on March 04, 2006, 11:51:29 PM
Great D3 NCAA game....Oxy played a good game and it wouldn't surprise me at all to see these two programs match-up in the future in the NCAA's.  A nice representation of SCIAC hoops – getting closer  8).

Props to the Oxy radio crew, a very well called game.  Think they hit it on the head at the end with the statement that it seemed like the Tigers were tired from the pressure.  That's the intent of the pressure - it gets most teams eventually.  Awesome job on the offensive glass by McVey, he is a handful.

On to the the 16's....WestCoastWhiner, I'll take some pictures and we can send them to Pacific so they can start planning for that run in 4 years.  :D

Go Loggers!!!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on March 04, 2006, 11:51:58 PM
89-81 final, UPS over Oxy.  Great game.  Excellent showing Tigers!  You'll get'em next year.  

Io Triumphe
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WestCoastWhiner on March 05, 2006, 11:24:16 AM
Great game.  Loggers are a tough team.  Good shooters with a heck of a post player.   I wish them luck as they advance.   

Tigers played well.  The entire team showed up.  Their back up point guard was sensational.  Gets the game MVP for the Tigers.  We'll miss him and Zach, who will be difficult to replace.   Zach improved a ton in 4 years from the kid and accomplished a lot (3-1 in the NCAAs, UNLV, Cal St. Fullerton W, Utah St., USC).   

SCIAC fans, we advanced our cause this year.  With the NWC being as tough as it is, our road to Salem could very well lead us back to them.  And we showed this year we can play with them.   We have to shoot to get those guys at home because they will be tough to beat on the road.  As tough as UPS is, we are right there with them.  They play different than everyone in our conference; the most physical brand of basketball we'll come across.  For someone who hasn't seen their system before, I was very impressed by the D.  Lots of physical contact on the ball.  Reminded me of a DIII St. Josephs.   In a SCIAC gym or a neutral court they will have to make adjustments.  I'm sure they can, or they wouldn't have won as many games as they have. 

Good luck Loggers.  We'll pull for you.  Keep your big out of foul trouble and you can play with the beef eaters.  Get him in foul trouble and I'd be concerned.  Love your frosh point.     

We can play with the NWC on the road.  If Salem runs through them, so be it.






Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fosheezie on March 05, 2006, 06:30:17 PM
With all of the talk going on about Jason Lowery Pacific's new coach, I will add my two cents.  He will turn the program around and I have a feeling it will be done within the next four years.  He turned cellar dweller NAIA Hope International into a force years ago and he helped build PP's dominance with the titles in the recent years, he definately knows what he is doing.....Add that he is from Portland, has many connections, and recruit his butt off, yes, they will be up there soon.  He is a smart guy, great coach, and the players will play hard for him, so watch the Boxers in years to come.

Oh yeah, by the way, Pomona wasn't the last SCIAC team to lose to Cal Tech, it was La Verne!

Fosheezie Out-
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pomonaalum on March 05, 2006, 06:53:34 PM
Hopefully Lowery isn't the one teaching the fundamentals of shooting...
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on March 06, 2006, 01:47:53 AM
Even though the way they play is definitely different, I am surprised that a SCIAC school "would run out of gas" against a fast paced school, when they regularly play the likes of Redlands. :'(

Just wanted to say congrats to Oxy on a great season.... confusing there for a little while, but I was glad to see the team sort out some major issues in the end!

I will look forward to chatting with you guys again next year.  ;) :) :-*
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on March 06, 2006, 10:28:31 AM
My hats go off to Puget sound and Oxy for playing a close game on saturday. But, most of all, congrats to for playing a hard game after one days rest. That sure tells you a lot. I hope puget sound does well in the coming weeks against those East coast schools.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 07, 2006, 04:14:10 AM
Quote from: Browneagle64 on March 06, 2006, 10:28:31 AM
My hats go off to Puget sound and Oxy for playing a close game on saturday. But, most of all, congrats to for playing a hard game after one days rest. That sure tells you a lot. I hope puget sound does well in the coming weeks against those East coast schools.

"East Coast schools"?

Lawrence -- Wisconsin
Augustana -- Illinois
Illinois Wesleyan -- duh

You'd have to spend a minimum of fourteen hours in a car driving east from any of those campuses just to get a whiff of salt air.

Browneagle, you might want to acquaint yourself with a little geographic concept that those of us here in Flyover U.S.A. like to call "the midwest."  ;D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on March 07, 2006, 10:34:03 AM
Alright, well thanks for adding them too Greg.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 07, 2006, 09:59:48 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on March 07, 2006, 10:43:10 AM
Gregory Sager:

>>Browneagle, you might want to acquaint yourself with a little geographic concept that those of us here in Flyover U.S.A. like to call "the midwest."<<

Tell it to the University of Michigan, which has been confused for years about its location:

"Hail! Hail! to Michigan, the champions of the West!"

OxyBob

... or to Michigan's Big Ten rival, Northwestern University. Northwestern is located in Evanston, IL, which isn't exactly in the vicinity of Seattle or Portland.

What cracks me up is that the Northwestern campus is three miles east of the campus of Northeastern Illinois University.  :D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 07, 2006, 11:29:48 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on March 07, 2006, 10:43:10 AM
Gregory Sager:

>>Browneagle, you might want to acquaint yourself with a little geographic concept that those of us here in Flyover U.S.A. like to call "the midwest."<<

Tell it to the University of Michigan, which has been confused for years about its location:

"Hail! Hail! to Michigan, the champions of the West!"

OxyBob

When 'Hail to the Victors' was written (which, incidentally, no less than John Phillips Sousa dubbed "the greatest fight song of all time") the Big Ten (unofficial motto: so we can't count - you got a problem with that?) was known as the Western Conference.

A bit of Rose Bowl trivia: first fball game (1902?) - Michigan 49, Stanford 0 (Stanford forfeited during the 3rd quarter!).  The Tournament of Roses parade decided to go with other 'sidelights' for several years thereafter, then resumed fball games but NOT with the Western Conference/Big Ten.  First rematch between teams now in the Pac 10 and Big Ten, 1949(?).  Result: Michigan 49, Stanford 0!  (But at least they played the whole game!) ;D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 07, 2006, 11:37:14 PM
BTW, before anyone starts knocking my karma even lower, I'm well aware that the Big Ten has lately been taking it on the chin in the Rose Bowl! ;D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 08, 2006, 03:03:40 AM
LOL!

Bo did have a VERY disastrous stint as GM/President of the Tigers (not that anyone since has been much better!); I'd forgotten that he even knew baseball existed!  But football - that he knew (despite his Rose Bowl record)!

Since Fielding Yost and Fritz Crisler are long since deceased, lay off our 'Living Legend'!  Sorry, UM nerves are a bit tender with the two BIG sports a bit in the dumps - but our softball team sure did kick everyone's butts! ;D :o
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: steveflegel on March 08, 2006, 03:44:50 PM
Mr. Yipsi,

Sorry to be a stickler for the facts, but your information about the Rose Bowl is inaccurate.  The Big Ten vs. Pac 10 (or Pacific Coast as it was known) resumed in 1947.  Illinois beat UCLA 45-14.  The 1949 game was Northwestern 20, Cal 14.  Michigan did play in 1948, but beat USC, not Stanford, 49-0.

The Pac-10's first win did not come until 1953 when USC beat Wisconsin 7-0.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 08, 2006, 06:42:10 PM
Quote from: steveflegel on March 08, 2006, 03:44:50 PM
Mr. Yipsi,

Sorry to be a stickler for the facts, but your information about the Rose Bowl is inaccurate.  The Big Ten vs. Pac 10 (or Pacific Coast as it was known) resumed in 1947.  Illinois beat UCLA 45-14.  The 1949 game was Northwestern 20, Cal 14.  Michigan did play in 1948, but beat USC, not Stanford, 49-0.

The Pac-10's first win did not come until 1953 when USC beat Wisconsin 7-0.

I stand corrected on both the year and the team - but I DID remember those strangely identical scores after a nearly half-century gap!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on March 09, 2006, 02:07:49 AM
I was just looking around on Lincoln University's basketball site.   First off, very impressive (compared to what we're used to here) site with detailed player Bios...

They certainly attract some good players there.  They seem to get a lot of good talent from Philadelphia and Baltimore/Washington, which is natural given its proximity to both cities. 

On another note, are they the only HBCU in D3?

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 09, 2006, 10:32:42 AM
Quote from: OxyFan21 on March 09, 2006, 02:07:49 AM
I was just looking around on Lincoln University's basketball site.   First off, very impressive (compared to what we're used to here) site with detailed player Bios...

They certainly attract some good players there.  They seem to get a lot of good talent from Philadelphia and Baltimore/Washington, which is natural given its proximity to both cities. 

On another note, are they the only HBCU in D3?

Rust College (Holly Springs, MS) and Fisk University (Nashville, TN) are also D3 HBCUs.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Liger Hoops on March 09, 2006, 09:33:25 PM
Knibb High Football Rules!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on March 13, 2006, 06:52:44 PM
Logger, thanks for the kind words and the insight on the colors.  I just found it odd and curious that a banner and someone's old "Go UPS" (I'm paraphrasing) shirt would be in different colors than what I was seeing.  Had never seen something like that before.  Thanks for clearing it up. 

OAN, we need a bracketbuster weekend of NWC/SCIAC games during Christmas break.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on March 13, 2006, 09:27:24 PM
From the Front Page:

All-Region
Voting deadline
11 p.m. ET!

You just gotta hope that SOME SCIAC SID reads that, and nominates SOMEone...  :-\

(cough) ...Miles Taylor...  :)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 14, 2006, 01:55:11 AM
Nominations closed last week. This is the voting period.

Miles Taylor was nominated. Not sure how many SCIAC SIDs voted in support of their conference members.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciacguru on March 14, 2006, 08:56:05 PM
Once again another travesty in the all-region voting!!!

Mazarei -1st Team (6th place team)
Betty and Taylor - 2nd Team (2 best players in SCIAC)
Curtiss and McVey (UPS) - 3rd team (2 leading scorers on an elite 8 team)

Are you kidding me with this.  How does the MVP and the 2nd best player in the SCIAC get 2nd team when Mazarei was on a 6th place team.  If you want to go with your "traditional team" of 2 guards/2 forwards/center....1 forward/2 centers.....then how does Mazarei get ahead of Curtiss, the leading scorer for an ELITE 8 team at the guard position??

I am having flashbacks of the other shooter a few years ago from Redlands (a 6th place team that year) that got 1st team over Avedian (3rd team), the MVP of SCIAC.  Ok so you go with pts/game.  If you take Mazarei off Redlands team......Redlands is still a 6th place team in the SCIAC.  If you take Taylor, Betty, Curtiss or McVey off their respected teams......well, I think you get the idea.  Doesnt coming from a winning team carry any weight in the voter's mind?  Congrats to all, I think the players that made the All-Region team are all deserving, except Mazarei.  I just think they are in the wrong order. 

And one last note.....Taylor could be listed as PG or G or F or C....he was that good and that versatile.....so throw that "traditional team" garbage statement out.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 15, 2006, 04:37:31 AM
Quote from: sciacguru on March 14, 2006, 08:56:05 PM
Doesnt coming from a winning team carry any weight in the voter's mind? 

I don't think so. I believe it takes five people to play basketball. One person does not a team make.

Do I think he's a little high on the list? Umm, yeah. Did a lot of SCIAC schools cast their votes? I think you know that answer without me having to say it. Three did, which I think is one more than usual.

Remember, too, since you seem to not realize this: Mazarei and Taylor/Betty were never in competition with each other. Frontcourt and backcourt are voted on separately. Where one is in relation to the others is not a reflection of their comparative value. There are more good frontcourt players in the West Region this year than backcourt players.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on March 15, 2006, 11:19:31 AM
Haters
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 15, 2006, 11:33:10 AM
Quote from: RFB on March 15, 2006, 11:19:31 AM
Haters

:)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciacguru on March 15, 2006, 01:29:36 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 15, 2006, 04:37:31 AM
Remember, too, since you seem to not realize this: Mazarei and Taylor/Betty were never in competition with each other. Frontcourt and backcourt are voted on separately. Where one is in relation to the others is not a reflection of their comparative value. There are more good frontcourt players in the West Region this year than backcourt players.

You are absolutely right......I didnt realize this......................

Quote from: sciacguru on March 14, 2006, 08:56:05 PM
.....then how does Mazarei get ahead of Curtiss, the leading scorer for an ELITE 8 team at the guard position??
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WestCoastWhiner on March 15, 2006, 02:31:31 PM
OxyBob, to the extent there are any results on the All-Region teams that don't make sense we only have to look at our SIDs.  Someone at Redlands was working hard on that guy's behalf.  Then again, maybe his dropping 57 on the Tigers at the Rock was enough to get that guy the 1st team all-region votes.   Either the guy is just that good or Oxy's guards defend that poorly.    

After watching the Oxy - PLU game I too wonder how Betty could have made it over McVey.  Betty had an unbelieveable 1st half against him but then McVey simply owned Betty in the second half.  Betty got in some foul trouble but it was clear that with the game on the line, which of those guys made the mental decision to step up.  McVey would have gotten my vote.   If Betty makes a decision to put the effort in that McVey does on the glass, he will be a 1st team all-america next year.

The beauty of this year is that everyone in the SCIAC got to see what I have been talking about for years on this thread: Salem is not a far-fetched dream.  Oxy beats Amherst, Final 4 team.  Oxy loses close one at PLU, who was within a couple of minutes and a few missed jumpers away from the Final Four.

A couple of more players for some of our teams and we can have several teams capable of making deep runs.  

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on March 15, 2006, 03:37:41 PM
No doubt about being a hater. Must be the 57 points Mazarai dropped on Oxy at Ghetto Rock.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 15, 2006, 03:45:20 PM
Quote from: sciacguru on March 15, 2006, 01:29:36 PM
Quote from: sciacguru on March 14, 2006, 08:56:05 PM
.....then how does Mazarei get ahead of Curtiss, the leading scorer for an ELITE 8 team at the guard position??

Probably does have something to do with what the previous posters are saying.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciacguru on March 15, 2006, 05:28:27 PM
And the SID's are great judges of talent.  They dont even watch the games.  They are to busy with their nose in the computer during the games, imputting stats from what their spotter is saying.  They are basing everything on what the stat sheet says, and not what impact that player has on the game or for his team.  Like I said, you take Amir off Redlands...they are still a 6th place team.  You take Curtiss off UPS (since we need to stick with guards) they dont win conference, dont make playoffs and they certainly dont go to the ELITE 8, because he did so much more than just score....that guy was the heart and soul of that UPS squad......something that doesnt show up in a stat sheet.

And I dont care what is said about positions....if you are an MVP of a conference, and the best player on a conf. champion, and is as versatile (leading the team in scoring/rebounding) as Taylor is....that guy should be 1st team all-region....not someone that played on a 6th place SCIAC team.

I guess the 1st team all-region guard position should be reserved every year for the leading scorer of the Redlands system.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on March 15, 2006, 05:48:30 PM
Whiners
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciacguru on March 15, 2006, 06:23:45 PM
Amir was a huge difference maker.....

Redlands 5-9 in SCIAC.....9-15 overall

Jordan Carlson for D3 player of the year!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on March 15, 2006, 06:34:20 PM
hater+whiner= sciacguru
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciacguru on March 15, 2006, 06:42:16 PM
Amir making 1st team all-West Region
        -funny

Quote from: RFB on March 15, 2006, 06:34:20 PM
hater+whiner= sciacguru
        -clever

Redlands not making it out of 6th place for the last 7 years
        -priceless

p.s. How is the Bulldog FB program doing?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on March 15, 2006, 07:03:11 PM
Hey, I agree about Redlands hoops. Redlands will be down until Coach Smith hangs it up. I just think it is funny how much you're bitching about Mazarei making first team.

Redlands football is in good hands, trust me. I played there in the 90's when we owned the conference. They will be back on top real soon.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Liger Hoops on March 15, 2006, 09:15:32 PM
Quote from: RFB on March 15, 2006, 07:03:11 PM
I played there in the 90's when we owned the conference. They will be back on top real soon.

Congrats on being that guy who always talks about his old program and how good they were when he played ... I can't wait to do the same  :D


Kudos to Betty and Taylor for making All-Region in a traditional system. Of course Mazarai lit up the Tigers and other teams but first team is a stretch. I wouldn't have been so shocked if Taylor or Betty (I'm sure 95% of this board would say Taylor) was on the 1st team and Mazarai dropped to the 2nd or 3rd team. Regardless, it's nice to see 3 players from the SCIAC get honored.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on March 16, 2006, 11:27:49 AM
Sorry man, just stating the facts about Redlands football. It's nice to know a down year at Redlands is 5-4 and the rest of the conference and it's fans think the program is in shambles. But the reality is Redlands has as many SCIAC conference titles as Oxy does since 2000. Redlands will be back.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on April 22, 2006, 01:45:34 AM
Whiner, you are right on about McVey.  He would've been MVP of SCIAC.  His play in half 2 was THE reason UPS won that game.  Put backs, tough inside hoops, etc., was critical to that win.  Oxy brought their game that night and could (not necessarily should) have won it.  The turning point was being up 73-72, turning the ball over 3 straight times and being behind 78-73.  It was Kiki's missed layup against Dr. D all over again.

You're also right about the program.  They are not far away and CMS would've represented just as well up there.  League has to keep up the 'mo.

RFB, don't know if you're new to the board, but let's raise the level of discourse to something that grads and fans of these fine institutions are accustomed.  The "Ghetto" comment was, at best, extremely ill-informed, especially given that there are probably five African-American, non-Oxy students within a three mile radius of campus.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on April 23, 2006, 11:10:38 PM
Quote from: tigersports on April 22, 2006, 01:45:34 AMThe "Ghetto" comment was, at best, extremely ill-informed, especially given that there are probably five African-American, non-Oxy students within a three mile radius of campus.

Normally I would have thrilled that there was finally a post on this board, but... What is up with associating the ghetto with African Americans? Aside from the fact that it is historically inaccurate, it's also, well, very prejudiced to assume all poor people who would live in city slums are black. :o :( :-\ :-[ :'( >:( ???
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciacguru on April 24, 2006, 12:46:42 AM
Quote from: tigersports on April 22, 2006, 01:45:34 AM
but let's raise the level of discourse to something that grads and fans of these fine institutions are accustomed. 

diehard....I am right there with you.  But I liked this part of the quote better.

I guess Oxy fans are used to those levels of discourse.

That may drop the karma points down a bit!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 1992 on April 24, 2006, 01:03:54 AM
So Tigersports?

A group of African-Americans makes a place ghetto?

Or a group without a high number of African-Americans makes it not ghetto?

This is what "grads and fans of these fine institutions are accustomed".

Good thing you don't represent us all.

All I can say Tigersports, is "wow".
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on April 25, 2006, 01:04:25 PM
Thought the board might be interested in an update on the facilities at Cal Lu.  The floors are going in and other finish work is being completed.  They've updated the photo gallery online:

http://www.callutheran.edu/about/watch_clu_grow.php

The main competition gym is the one without windows on the upper level (it has ceiling mounted volleyball apparatus in case you're trying to figure out what that is on the ceiling, I'd never seen that before - they'll be using the stanchion style hoops for games).  The practice gym is the one with the windows.  The one other room that's pictured is the weight room/fitness center.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on May 04, 2006, 03:31:55 PM
Quote from: scandihoovian on April 25, 2006, 01:04:25 PM
Thought the board might be interested in an update on the facilities at Cal Lu.  The floors are going in and other finish work is being completed.  They've updated the photo gallery online:

http://www.callutheran.edu/about/watch_clu_grow.php

The main competition gym is the one without windows on the upper level (it has ceiling mounted volleyball apparatus in case you're trying to figure out what that is on the ceiling, I'd never seen that before - they'll be using the stanchion style hoops for games).  The practice gym is the one with the windows.  The one other room that's pictured is the weight room/fitness center.


Nice... I'm enjoying watching the construction guys wander around.  :D ::)

It looks like it will be lovely... though I don't know what the old gym looks like either.  :D

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on May 05, 2006, 02:37:17 PM
Thanks, DieHard-

The old gym is literally a converted corrugated metal WWII era airplane hanger with a short floor (full of dead spots) low ceiling and interesting lighting.

Great home court advantage  ;D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on May 08, 2006, 05:43:37 PM
:D Sounds like it!  :D :D :D

The guys look busier right now, trucks driving around and everything... still no visible signs of a building yet though.  :D ;)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on May 09, 2006, 10:29:46 AM
Oh - I just realized that what you're looking at now is the pool construction site.  Scroll down the page and they have several pictures posted that show the interior and exterior of the new sports and fitness center.  The exterior is basically finished and they're putting the finishing touches on the interior.  It will be open for business at the start of the 2006-2007 academic year.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on May 09, 2006, 08:21:34 PM
Quote from: scandihoovian on May 09, 2006, 10:29:46 AM
Oh - I just realized that what you're looking at now is the pool construction site.  Scroll down the page and they have several pictures posted that show the interior and exterior of the new sports and fitness center.  The exterior is basically finished and they're putting the finishing touches on the interior.  It will be open for business at the start of the 2006-2007 academic year.

well what do you know...  :D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on May 29, 2006, 06:13:06 PM
My message was aimed at what I perceived to be a pejorative reference to the area around Oxy, which is rich in ethnic diversity but is not by any definition -- whether a group of impoverished African-Americans (which is by far the most common usage of the name) or just an impoverished area generally -- a "ghetto."  I obviously took the comment to mean the former.   My only point was to say that the comment showed a lack of understanding of the area -- it was definitely not to demonstrate that Eagle Rock had very few African-Americans in the neighborhood or that this was a good thing.   My apologies to anyone who took it any other way.  My "discourse" comment was aimed, again, at what I thought was a cheap shot and something that didn't belong on the board -- a board that I participate in because of its spirited yet high-minded discourse.  I'd be happy to answer any public or private messages to discuss further if need be, but I think this clarifies what I said and meant.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on May 30, 2006, 06:07:36 PM
Actually, it is the latter, rather than the former.

It is not unusual for people to think what you said. However, what was stated, and is still being affirmed by you, is intrinsically offensive, because it is simply not the overarching case in the US. The statement is not fair to African-Americans themselves, considering the large percent of them who are sucessful financially, and who would improve the economic base around Oxy by moving in. It's also not fair to the Hispanic, White, and Asian populations that are living in terrible "ghetto" like conditions and who are passed over due to the lack of public understanding about the poverty, crime, and gang issues they face.

Personally, I still think of the tragic oppression of Jewish people in Europe during the reign of Hitler when I hear the term "ghetto", and the corresponding lack of response by the Americans of the time due to their own racism toward Jewish people....  And it actually bothers me that the term is now being used to describe something that is terrible to live in, but much, much less awful by degree compared to the forced systematic oppression of an entire people group.

But I guess that's just me.

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on May 30, 2006, 07:13:24 PM
Quote from: Alice on May 30, 2006, 06:07:36 PM
Quote from: tigersports on May 29, 2006, 06:13:06 PM
whether a group of impoverished African-Americans (which is by far the most common usage of the name) or just an impoverished area generally -- a "ghetto." 
Actually, it is the latter, rather than the former.

It is not unusual for people to think what you said. However, what was stated, and is still being affirmed by you, is intrinsically offensive, because it is simply not the overarching case in the US. The statement is not fair to African-Americans themselves, considering the large percent of them who are sucessful financially, and who would improve the economic base around Oxy by moving in. It's also not fair to the Hispanic, White, and Asian populations that are living in terrible "ghetto" like conditions and who are passed over due to the lack of public understanding about the poverty, crime, and gang issues they face.

Personally, I still think of the tragic oppression of Jewish people in Europe during the reign of Hitler when I hear the term "ghetto", and the corresponding lack of response by the Americans of the time due to their own racism toward Jewish people....  And it actually bothers me that the term is now being used to describe something that is terrible to live in, but much, much less awful by degree compared to the forced systematic oppression of an entire people group.

But I guess that's just me.

'Alice',

While I agree with the gist of your post, I'll (much to my surprise!) have to stick up for what tigersports directly said.  I'm pretty sure that he is right that it is the former, not the latter.

In America, 'ghetto' seems to be reserved for poor blacks.  Barrio is for poor Hispanics.  Poor Asians (regardless of nationality) are Chinatowns.  Poor whites seem to go by a variety of pejoratives: slums, wrong side of the tracks, hillbillies, etc.  I don't recall many references (whether media or in person) of impoverished communities which were predominantly non-black being referred to as ghettos.

Of course, that in itself may be a reflection of racism.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 30, 2006, 07:41:14 PM
Ooof...

I'm not sure any good can come from a discussion of stereotypical names for places poor people of specific ethnic backgrounds live. This can only go badly.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on May 30, 2006, 08:07:37 PM
Pat,

I fully understand where you're coming from (and also understand the risks), but I'm not sure that an HONEST discussion of where things are (keeping in mind how we wish things would be) is ever a negative.

Call me a cock-eyed opimist.... ;)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on May 30, 2006, 08:48:29 PM
One problem is that it's common, yes, if it is in fact common. But the more immediate problem is that he thinks it, and thinks it is okay to say it. You just basically told him that it was, because you also think it's common, and in most people's minds, common tends to equal okay. There is good in admitting that a situation is the way it so. But, just because you can validate that someone else thinks the same way as you doesn't make what you think right.

My original statement still stands.

Incidentally... http://www.webster.com/dictionary/ghetto

No racial group specified in the modern definition. Just an FYI.

America is a dream.
The poet says it was promises.
The people say it is promises-that will come true.
The people do not always say things out loud,
Nor write them down on paper.
The people often hold
Great thoughts in their deepest hearts
And sometimes only blunderingly express them,
Haltingly and stumblingly say them,
And faultily put them into practice.
The people do not always understand each other.
But there is, somewhere there,
Always the trying to understand,
And the trying to say,
"You are a man. Together we are building our land."
.... KEEP YOUR HAND ON THE PLOW! HOLD ON!

- Langston Hughes (one of my favorite African-American poets), "Freedom's Plow"

http://www.poemhunter.com/p/m/poem.asp?poet=6691&poem=32570

Yeah.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on May 30, 2006, 09:22:36 PM
As you expressed on the board (and I expressed to you privately), I believe his original statement was reprehensible.  But I believe his latest statement (for better or for worse) is correct.

That IS the common usage of the word (whatever implications that may or may not have).  And I disagree that common = good.  Overwhelming majorities once felt that either blacks or women voting, or blacks and whites sharing the same schools, were absurd ideas - I doubt you could find many people today thinking these were good ideas!  No INTELLIGENT person thinks that ideas are good JUST because they are common (especially after the first paragraph, I doubt that tigersports is under any delusions that I have ratified his original statement!).

But I am also of the opinion that ignoring the realities of where things are is a real hindrance to getting to where we think they ought to be.  Where this country is right now (IMO, but also based on polling data and LOTS of media reading) is that 'ghettos' are places where lots of poor African-Americans live.  If the majority are not African-American, it has some other name.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on May 31, 2006, 11:38:54 PM
I'm not sure that I want to get involved in this discussion as I agree with Pat that not much good can come of this.

I will say, however, that I honestly do not think TigerSports meant to ruffle anybody's feathers from his statement(s).  Having listened to his broadcasts for many years and also having corresponded with him privately over email, I don't think he meant any harm.   

Of course, any statement (public or private) can and often will have unforseen and unintended consequences.

I loved my experience in Eagle Rock and would not want to have lived anywhere else during my time in Southern CA.  It's my slice of L.A., and all of my memories originate from "The Rock."

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 01, 2006, 12:34:52 AM
OF21,

Thanks for the post.  I accept that tigersports initial post was clumsy rather than malicious - I've certainly been guilty of that often enough myself.

I still ponder the implications of the American tendency to have different names for areas of different races of poor people.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on June 03, 2006, 03:43:30 PM
Ypsi, you are right; my post was clumsy and I can certainly see how it could've been read to be offensive, so my apologies for that.  I simply took offense at how RFB (I originally wrote diehard, which was in error :'() attempted to characterize what I think is a vibrant, diverse neighborhood and I should've pointed my criticism that way.  I'm also sorry to cause such a stir.
Please trust me that I did not intend to make it out to mean anything offensive.  

How about if everyone heeds Pat's wish, accept my apology and intent on the honor system and we move on?  I'll take any private messages from anyone that wants the last word. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on June 03, 2006, 05:19:41 PM
You took offense at MY comment? ???

Quote from: RFB on March 15, 2006, 03:37:41 PM
No doubt about being a hater. Must be the 57 points Mazarai dropped on Oxy at Ghetto Rock.

I actually thought the campus area was really pretty. I woke/drove around for a while after the first round playoff game I attended.

How the heck is this being turned on me????????????????????
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 03, 2006, 10:24:22 PM
You might want to re-read who wrote that comment that DHF is quoting.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on June 04, 2006, 01:15:53 PM
My apologies to diehard.  It was RFB that made the original comment.  Maybe I need to just take the summer off from the board.  ;)  See y'all in the fall.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bulldogfan23 on June 19, 2006, 11:30:41 PM
any news on sciac recuiting?  Any good freshman coming in?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 16, 2006, 02:42:25 PM
I was recently told that the SCIAC signed up with D3Scoreboard.com to run the standings and score reporting for its conference Web site. Under our partnership with D3Scoreboard.com (http://www.d3hoops.com/news.php?item=576), this means that when a SCIAC school reports a score to the conference, it will automatically be posted on D3hoops.com.

We hope this one-stop shopping will enable SCIAC schools to report scores in a timely manner, which I know will be of interest to fans here.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on July 16, 2006, 04:49:17 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on July 16, 2006, 02:42:25 PM
I was recently told that the SCIAC signed up with D3Scoreboard.com to run the standings and score reporting for its conference Web site. Under our partnership with D3Scoreboard.com (http://www.d3hoops.com/news.php?item=576), this means that when a SCIAC school reports a score to the conference, it will automatically be posted on D3hoops.com.

We hope this one-stop shopping will enable SCIAC schools to report scores in a timely manner, which I know will be of interest to fans here.
It sounds like the SCIAC is coming out of the dark ages.  I hope this trend continues.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on July 16, 2006, 10:56:53 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on July 16, 2006, 04:49:17 PM
I hope this trend continues.

Meeeeee too.  :)

Though, it begs the question... does the SCIAC post all it's game scores to it's website?  ??? :D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OXY Oswald on July 18, 2006, 01:42:35 AM
Intense posting there for a little while.  Glad that's all over with.  (I blame RFB  :D)

Where can I find the All Region Teams?  I missed them when they came out and I'm not sure where they are on the site.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 18, 2006, 02:39:10 AM
On the front page (and any D3hoops.com news page) there's a link under "Awards" in the right-hand rail.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OXY Oswald on July 18, 2006, 02:53:33 AM
Ugh... that was easy.    :-[

Thanks Pat.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on July 19, 2006, 05:29:44 PM
Was just visiting the Redlands website looking at the football schedule and noticed the headline that this will be the last year for the hoops coach.  Guess that means (1) extra effort in the unique offense this coming season and (2) a change of pace for the '07-08 season.

Thought I'd pass it on . . . back to the football boards.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OXY Oswald on July 19, 2006, 05:45:22 PM
That's too bad, everyone likes a good freak show that ends with their team (usually) winning.   :-\  I still can't believe we let Mizrahi drop 50 points on us.

The Redlands system will be missed.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on August 05, 2006, 05:38:02 PM
Gary Smith is a good man, but his departure is good news for the Bulldogs and bad news for the rest of the conference.  It likely means the traditionally strong teams in the SCIAC now have to worry about adding two more legitimate games to the conference schedule, although I guess it does eliminate the track meet preparation.  There is no reason why another coach could not come in and quickly build a strong program at Redlands.

And now, one of the last in a long running series of updates  ;) ...

The Gilbert Sports and Fitness Center has been cleared for occupancy!

Great new pictures at
http://www.callutheran.edu/about/watch_clu_grow.php
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OXY Oswald on August 08, 2006, 06:59:54 PM
The new gym looks great! Looking forward to catching a game there this season.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on August 14, 2006, 12:12:25 PM
Thanks, Oswald - I hope many of the local posters on this board are able to come out and catch a game this year.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on September 21, 2006, 02:43:52 AM
Very interesting schedule this year for the Tigers, including hosting St. Thomas.  http://departments.oxy.edu/athletics/basketball-men/scheduleresults.htm
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on September 27, 2006, 06:32:27 PM
I am  glad to see that the tigers will be playing good times like the mustangs of Cal Poly and St. Thomas. However, i am sad to see that the holiday classic will not be played this year... :'( :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on October 09, 2006, 11:08:28 AM
Just thought I'd mention it because we've discussed it on this board before, but Rick Reilly had a column a couple of weeks ago in SI on student use of profanity during games.  It's good stuff, and I'd post a link but I think SI has cut off access to non subscribers.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OXY Oswald on October 10, 2006, 02:23:28 AM
Which issue?  I'll bet I've got in lying around the house somewhere.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OXY Oswald on October 10, 2006, 08:52:05 PM
Well I found the article and seeing as I have some time to kill I'll copy it for anyone interested in reading it.

Swearing off Swearing.
by Rick Reilly
Sports Illustrated: September 25, 2006 Issue
p. 80

"You and I have the same problem.  We swear too goddamn much. 

Growing up, the worst my mom ever said was, 'Crying in the beer bucket!'  Still have no idea what it meant, but it was serious.  She said cursin was 'for the locker room.'  Man, she wouldn't believe how big the locker room is now.

I realized it a couple of weeks ago at the Colorado-Colorado State football game.  The two student sections cursed like teamsters in two-sizes-too-small thongs.

They yelled, 'F--- 'em up! F--- 'em up! Go CU!'  They sang, 'Bulllls---!' after a ref's call.  And they chanted 'F--- you, CSU!' (clap-clap, clap, clap, clap!)  And that was their clever stuff.

No student seemed to be able to pass a rival in the concourse without hurling a 'F--- you!' in the other's ear, accompanied by twin birds and projectile spittle.  (And, really, some of the men were just as bad)

It's not just Colorado.  We have become a nation of !@#$%&ers.  Michigan hockey fans serenade each opponent sent to the penalty box with a dozen elegant words: 'Chump! D---! Wuss! Douche bag! A------! P----! Cheater! Bitch! Whore! Slut! C---------!'

Higher education at it's finest.

That's why I'm all for what they're doing at Boston University.  Beginning this season, anybody who cusses at a BU home athletic event gets pitched out of the arena.  'We had to do something,' says hockey coach Jack Parker. 'People are telling me they're afraid to bring their kids to games.'

It's not going to be easy making BU hockey fans give up swearing.  It's like asking frogs to give up flied or R Kelly 15-year-olds.  Not only that, but how will the Terriers play games with only three players left on the ice?  'I just hope an usher doesn't come down and get me,' says Parker.

Athletic director Mike Lynch and dean of student Kenneth Elmore decided something had to be done after BU fans cursed a blue streak during last spring's NCAA hockey tournament.  Now the school will station cuss cops -- officials, ushers, even Lynch -- all over Agganis Arena's infamous section 118.  'They're trying to censor us,' says Nick Williams, sports editor of the student paper.  'I feel like it limits my freedom of speech.'

What the students are mad about is losing their favorite chant, which they yell 25 times a game, no matter whom they're playing: 'F--- 'em up! F--- 'em up! BC sucks!'  That's a speech?

Besides, until the last decade, it was 'Rough 'em up! Rough 'em up! BC sucks!' according to former BU and Olympic star Mike Eruzione, who asks, 'Is it too much to show a little class?'

At least BU has the guts to do something.  Maryland's students would make George Carlin blush, but the university still lets them work blue.   The best university president C.D. Mote could do was write a stenly worded letter to the student paper that said: 'Use of profanity will change when our students decide to change it.'  Great point, C.D.!  Even better, let's make the little darlings drop a nickle in a jar every time they swear!

I'm no better.  I'm cused with cursing.  I hate myself for it not just because it's disgusting but also because it's just so unimaginative.  When I shank one, I yell, 'Son of a f------ whore!'  I wish I could be like my buddy, who yells, 'My heinous cousin!'  Only his cousin can take offense.

Isn't it more fun to spew something fresher than the same old, 'Go f--- yourself!'?  Any Raiders fan could've scrawled that on his cell wall.  Why not, 'May you suffer a severe groin injury not covered in your workman's compensation package!'

Thanks to the book Cuss Control, by James V. O'Connor, director of (this is true) the Cuss Control Academy, I'm making progress.  According to O'Connor, I should use words that soud like cusses but aren't.  I've tried 'That was Bolshevik, pal!' and 'You nickerfutz ref!' and 'Sockchucker!'  People look at you as if they've been stabbed but can't find any blood. 

You could always unearth a dead language, like Sanskrit or Latin: illigitimi! (Bastards!)  Or steal from the 1920s: 'Great oogoly moogoly!'  Or go edgy Amish: 'You son of a biscuit!'

If those don't work, O'Connor says to pretend your grandma is listening.  Hey, Michigan students, would you repeat what you just said?  Your granny missed it. 

Anyway, the world is ugly enough without us turning on each other.  So good for you, BU.  Because, really, this s--- has got to stop.

(Oops. Sorry, Mom.)"

I apologize in advance for any typos, I think I avoided any major ones. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on October 11, 2006, 11:05:34 AM
Thanks, Oswald!

Yoeman's duty on that one!

Maybe we can have a discussion when there are more people than just the two of us reading this board  ;) ;D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DIIIghetto on October 17, 2006, 05:10:50 PM
For the record, my new moniker is not a slight on any enthnicity or culture.  Rather, it is meant to reflect the term is it is now commonly associated with notions of deprivation and social exclusion.  Every SCIAC basketball fan who ventures out of So Cal understands what our position is in the D3 hoops nation.   We are outcasts, we are not insignificant and we are not forces to be reckoned with. 

The SCIAC is the DIIIGhetto. 

Every year gives us new opportunities to shine and show folks that who we are.   Who are our non-conference opponents this year?   
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on October 18, 2006, 11:56:25 PM
The schedule is posted on the Oxy website.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on October 19, 2006, 02:46:25 PM
Oswald:  Excellent post on the cursing issue.  I brought my son to and Oxy women's water polo game last year and was frankly embarrased at the cursing and conduct of the Oxy fans (I think the men's team).  I haven't brought him to any football games this year, but that because he just isn't a fan yet.

How are Oxy's home b-ball games these days (or at least last season)?  Kid friendly?

tooth
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OXY Oswald on October 19, 2006, 07:53:39 PM
Quote from: Sabretooth Tiger on October 19, 2006, 02:46:25 PM
How are Oxy's home b-ball games these days (or at least last season)?  Kid friendly?

tooth

Definitely.  I think the games are exciting and the crowd has really been behind the team the last few years, and I'm sure that will continue.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OXY Oswald on November 01, 2006, 08:44:47 PM
Pre-season polls are pretty interesting

Oxy at #20
CMS at #48
Puget Sound at #22


Looks like that loss to the Tigers in the 1st round hurt pretty bad in the pre-season rankings for CMS. 

Can't wait for another great season from the Tigers!  And there is a great game early on against St. Thomas.  Any thoughts on their All-American center (or insight from posters that have seen him play) Isaac Rosefelt?

Quick article on the guy too. http://www.stthomas.edu/tommies/shared/shownews.cfm?ArticleID=4122 (http://www.stthomas.edu/tommies/shared/shownews.cfm?ArticleID=4122)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on November 02, 2006, 01:39:41 AM
Os----Thanks for the insight.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OXY Oswald on November 03, 2006, 02:10:38 AM
That too.... but I like to give the Tigers the credit.  ;D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on November 03, 2006, 05:01:10 PM
Just thought some of you might like to know that one of the SCIAC's own, former CLU coach Mike Dunlap, is now an assistant with the Denver Nuggets.

Gee, I wish my job involved attempted communication with Kenyon Martin ;)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Howlinwolf on November 06, 2006, 01:44:55 PM
Oxy opens its season this evening with an exhibition match-up with the Aggies of Utah State in Logan, UT. The game begins @ 6:00 pm, PT. Fanatics may view the game by investing $4. Check out www.wac.tv for the details.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on November 06, 2006, 05:06:27 PM
So Mr. Coleman has this to say about Oxy's pre-season ranking:

"Men's teams I'm not 100% sold on: Wittenberg, Randolph-Macon, Occidental, Hampden-Sydney and Puget Sound."

So Tiger football gets it's national ranking based on a "leap of faith" and now this . . .

It's a good thing that we Oxy folks have inflated egos based on self-delusion so that we don't start to take this stuff personally!

;) ;D

[Pat:  The icons are intended to communicate that the above is friendly ribbing, not a nasty attack]

cheers,

tooth
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Howlinwolf on November 07, 2006, 12:55:20 PM
Oxy got predictably spanked by Utah State last night. Unlike last year, they weren't able to make a game of it for a half. Aside from Betty, no one could shoot the ball accurately. Granted, this performance was against DI competition, but they'll need to find consistent outside threats to keep defenses honest with Betty if they intend to remain competitive on the national DIII front.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DIIIghetto on November 07, 2006, 04:19:48 PM
I hope Oxy got paid well for a whipping such as that.  Looks like Oxy's guards didn't step up to the challenge.  I thought they returned a lot from a decent backcourt and were rumored to be bringing in some more talent.  Couldn't tell it from that showing.  Granted, tough to read too much into a game against an NCAA Tourney team.  But we know that Newhall and staff have in the past found ways to compete beyond expectations in those D1 games.  Unfortunately for us SCIAC fans, that wasn't the case last night.  I'm not sure that there are many DIII teams that could keep it under 20 against Utah State but that whipping last night didn't make this Oxy team look special. 

I hope that Oxy understands what is at stake here.  With games against against St. Thomas and Williams, they again have a chance to advance the SCIAC's poor (being kind) reputation.  La Verne has a game against UPS - is another one.  Frankly, after CMS kicked and screamed about losing the home court advantage after winning the SCIAC last year to Oxy (who had a huge non-conference spanking  like studs against solid DIII competition) I can't believe they signed up the schedule they did (is there any serious DIII non-conference competition in there???).   

Everyone in the conference should have learned from what the Committee did last year.  They showed us that you get rewarded for impressive DIII wins outside of conference.   I look at our Big 3 and say, why aren't they finding ways to schedule top DIII teams?  Pat has already told us we don't get anything out of a W against La Sierra.  What is the obstacle to one tournament trip outside of the conference each year for Pomona, CMS or CLU?   



Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on November 14, 2006, 05:54:20 AM
DIII Ghetto,

Pomona is making a trip here to St. Louis for the Lopata Classic on Dec 1st and 2nd.  They open with Worcester State and then either Wash U or Luther.

I'd love to see Oxy get invited to this tournament again.  They haven't been for quite some time...

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DIIIghetto on November 15, 2006, 07:57:23 PM
OB, in the tent?!?  That is pretty funny.   
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on November 16, 2006, 12:31:20 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on November 15, 2006, 04:39:42 PM
Attention: Oxy Basketball Fans!

The game against St. Thomas scheduled for Friday, Nov. 17, will played at La Verne in the Super Tents, not at Oxy. Game time is 7:30 p.m.

OxyBob

That's too bad, was thinking of going to the game at Oxy.  Any idea why it's being played at LaVerne?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on November 16, 2006, 12:44:39 PM
From The L.A. times,

Cal Northridge destroys Redlands by putting up 159 points and setting a preseason record in points.

Seems like the freak show travel to northridge instead of being with the dogs
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on November 16, 2006, 05:22:46 PM
This is the last hurrah for the freak show...

Between the end of the Smith era and the continued improvement at Cal Tech it doesn't seem like there'll be as many breathers on the Conference schedule as there used to be...
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Howlinwolf on November 17, 2006, 02:00:28 PM
If you give a hoot about DIII hoops, find your way to La Verne's Tent tonight to catch Oxy take on the Top Ten Tommies. Not a bad way to spend a Friday evening, and the price is right. Two of the premier players in DIII will be tangling - Betty and Rosefelt. Game time is 7:30 pm.
Leave early - traffic is..., well, you know.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on November 17, 2006, 02:22:28 PM
Quote from: Howlinwolf on November 17, 2006, 02:00:28 PM
If you give a hoot about DIII hoops, find your way to La Verne's Tent tonight to catch Oxy take on the Top Ten Tommies. Not a bad way to spend a Friday evening, and the price is right. Two of the premier players in DIII will be tangling - Betty and Rosefelt. Game time is 7:30 pm.
Leave early - traffic is..., well, you know.

Let's see, eastbound on the 210 or 10 for a 7:30 matchup in LaVerne . . . leave Pasadena by lunch and it'll take about a half hour . . . leave after 2 . . . well, you'll be in time for the opening tip, but it will seem longer . . .   ;)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on November 17, 2006, 04:30:30 PM
Quote from: scandihoovian on November 16, 2006, 05:22:46 PM
This is the last hurrah for the freak show...

Between the end of the Smith era and the continued improvement at Cal Tech it doesn't seem like there'll be as many breathers on the Conference schedule as there used to be...

Us Redlands alums can't wait until the Gary Smith era comes to a close. Time for some new blood to lead the Dawgs. Shouldn't be long before a SCIAC hoops title comes to Redlands.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on November 17, 2006, 04:45:00 PM
THat sounds like a plan. Cheap seats and a couple of beers at Nicks before the game sure sounds better than trying to go See Daniel Craig in Casino Royale.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Howlinwolf on November 18, 2006, 01:09:13 AM
Oxy fell to the Tommies, 71-62, in a game much more competitive than the final score indicates. Although St. Thomas led most of the final 30 minutes of the game, they held off a determined Tiger squad that got within one point with about three minutes left. The Tommies sharpshooting guard then drained a three-pointer that sealed Oxy's fate.
A high-quality DIII game played on a neutral court.
Jordan Bremond, a first year out of Seattle, looks like a find for the Tigers. If they can get two potential starters, Zebb and Alexander, healthy by start of the SCIAC season,  they wil once again be a league force.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Howlinwolf on November 18, 2006, 01:12:47 AM
My bad. Final was 72-63, not 71-62.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on November 19, 2006, 05:40:53 PM
I caught part of the first ever men's game in the new Gilbert center at CLU last night - nice turnout on hand for the opener against La Sierra (which I didn't realize is on their way to becoming an independent D3)

Kind of a typical season opener with the usual rough patches.  Once the Kingsmen settled in to playing the full regulation distance in a home game they pulled steadily ahead in the second half.  ;)

Lots of new faces for CLU with a few solid returners, it will be fun to watch them come together as a team over the course of the season.

Glad the Tigers gave the Tommies a run, although it's too bad it couldn't be a true home game.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciacguru on November 20, 2006, 09:57:55 AM
>>Looks like the Kingsmen had a quite a bit of roster turnover. Acerboni will have to step up and take over the lead.<<

The Kingsmen return 4 starters.  Acerboni, Inniss, Miller, and Bush.  Pedden came off the bench the first game...but started most of last year.

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on November 20, 2006, 10:32:08 AM
Quote from: sciacguru on November 20, 2006, 09:57:55 AM
>>Looks like the Kingsmen had a quite a bit of roster turnover. Acerboni will have to step up and take over the lead.<<

The Kingsmen return 4 starters.  Acerboni, Inniss, Miller, and Bush.  Pedden came off the bench the first game...but started most of last year.

Good point Guru - there are many new faces, but the Kingsmen do return those four starters, of whom Bush is the only senior.  Pedden looked good off the bench Saturday, and many of the freshmen look solid, especially Meier.  I'm looking forward to the start of conference play so we can see how they stack up against SCIAC competition.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on November 20, 2006, 12:35:05 PM
Bob-

Players named Lepiashinski only come along once every generation - they must be treasured for as long as possible  ;)

Moreover, I bet the CLU SID is leaving that photo, taken in the old gym, up as long as possible to induce combat flashbacks amongst our conference foes  ;D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciacguru on November 20, 2006, 03:44:53 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on November 20, 2006, 11:45:27 AM
>>there are many new faces, but the Kingsmen do return those four starters, of whom Bush is the only senior.<<

Interesting that CLU still has a picture of Sergei Lepiashinski prominently displayed on the basketball homepage.

OxyBob

Does Finn Rebasso still play for OXY??  He is still on the opening Athletic page.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciacguru on November 20, 2006, 08:42:12 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on November 20, 2006, 05:24:34 PM
sciacguru:

>>Does Finn Rebasso still play for OXY??  He is still on the opening Athletic page.<<

Are you referring to Finn Rebassoo, the only four-time first team all-SCIAC basketball player in league history? (http://departments.oxy.edu/athletics/basketball-men/Cun_Song.htm) Did you mean Finn Rebassoo, the 2002-2003 SCIAC Player of the Year? (http://cms.claremont.edu/sciac/02-03/men'sbasketball.htm) That Finn Rebassoo?

OxyBob

I thought you might spell your own son's name correctly.....I was talking about Rebasso.............not Rebassoo....I dont know who that is.  And the guy on your link looks a lot like Song Cun (Who we all know was the real SCIAC MVP)....not Rebasso.  Next time have your presentation complete.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sagecat32 on November 21, 2006, 01:42:01 PM
Quote from: RFB on November 17, 2006, 04:30:30 PM
Quote from: scandihoovian on November 16, 2006, 05:22:46 PM
This is the last hurrah for the freak show...

Between the end of the Smith era and the continued improvement at Cal Tech it doesn't seem like there'll be as many breathers on the Conference schedule as there used to be...

Us Redlands alums can't wait until the Gary Smith era comes to a close. Time for some new blood to lead the Dawgs. Shouldn't be long before a SCIAC hoops title comes to Redlands.

I don't post here very often, but I had to say something about the Redlands hoops situation.  I think its a sad indication of where division 3 athletics are heading when a man who has devoted 40 years of his life to the University of Redlands and the basketball program is being forced out because he hasn't won a conference championship in a while.  Gary Smith is a fantastic coach and an even better person.  He represents that University with the utmost class, and has for 40 years.  This is Division 3, not Division 1.  There are no sneaker deals or TV contracts if you win a SCIAC title.  Your ticket sales aren't going to go up with "new blood leading the Dawgs".  I can understand the frustration with the lack of conference success in recent seasons, but after all that Gary Smith has done for that school, he should be honored and thanked, not ridiculed and forced out.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on November 21, 2006, 02:07:06 PM
Did someone say on here that Smith is being forced out?  If so, I missed it...

I think this board has always been in agreement that Smith is a quality guy who has served Redlands well over a long period of time.  The criticism of Smith on this board stems from the fact that some posters (myself included) think the experiment with the system went on far too long, to the point where it's gotten gimmicky.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DIIIghetto on November 21, 2006, 02:37:46 PM
SageChick,

I have not heard anything about Coach Smith being forced out.  I think maybe you are reading into some posts here from folks who are Redlands supporters who are trying to look at the bright side of his retiring.  I would bet that with his legacy, the Redlands Admin let him go out exactly how and when he wanted to go out. 

I am not yet prepared to give my predictions and need to look a little more into the rumor of Kats bringing in a guy who some are already saying is the front runner in front of Betty for SCIAC MVP. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pomonaalum on November 21, 2006, 05:57:14 PM
Apparently, Pomona has a transfer from NC State by the name of Chris McCoy.  Not sure if he was on scholarship or a walk-on at NCSt, but saw very little playing time there.  Originally from Trinity HS in Louisville, KY - one of the sports powers in that city (Brian Brohm's alma mater) 

McCoy scored 32 in his Sagehen debut, a win against Vanguard.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on November 21, 2006, 07:55:00 PM
Quote from: pomonaalum on November 21, 2006, 05:57:14 PM


McCoy scored 32 in his Sagehen debut, a win against Vanguard.

Ruh-roh! :-[

--B. Newhall, K. Scalmanini
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pomonaalum on November 21, 2006, 09:52:09 PM
Learning a little more about McCoy.  6'5 guard, invited to walk-on at NC St.  Appeared in 13 games over 2 seasons for the 'Pack, scored a total of 4 points.
Will get a chance to see him and the rest of the Pomona team play when take part in the Lopata Classic at Wash U in a couple weeks.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TeeDub on November 22, 2006, 11:34:24 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on November 21, 2006, 03:43:34 PM
Responding to Sagecat32:

I'm sure Gary Smith is a fine coach and a good man, etc. etc. That's not what we're talking about.

The "Grinnell System" used by Redlands is a mockery of basketball. It's all smoke-and-mirrors used to create interest in a team that is not very good. The only reason Redlands gets any attention at all is because the Bulldogs are a novelty act. Sorry, but that's the truth.

The name of the game is winning, and Redlands hasn't won squat as the Traveling Freak Show. They haven't finished higher than 4th in the conference since the 1991-1992 season, and haven't won the conference since they were tri-champs in 1989-1990.

If you want to watch a team that plays up-tempo successfully, check out Puget Sound (though it'll be interesting to see how Justin Lunt does replacing Eric Bridgeland). Everything the Loggers do is done fast, and they make their opponents play at their pace. They constantly press, but they don't just give up the lay-up like Redlands does. It's tough to score on Puget Sound, again unlike Redlands. Also, unlike Redlands, the Loggers win. If they played each other, UPS would destroy Redlands.

Coach Smith's act wore out long ago. As Paul Simon said, "He's a one trick pony, one trick is all that horse can do." Personally I look forward to a new coach at Redlands, and a new direction for the team.

OxyBob

OB,

Nice research, nice points...but I do find it interesting that the SCIAC purists are not also critical of some of the more traditional styles.  For example, over the past three years Redlands does have a unenviable record of 16-26 in conference play and 37-37 overall, while Whittier is 16-26 and 37-38 and Laverne is 19-23 and 39-35 over that same period.

I get that you don't like the SYSTEM style (especially after it took your team out of contention for a conference title last year), but recognize that other traditional styles have struggled just as well.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TeeDub on November 22, 2006, 11:38:35 AM
Quote from: tigersports on November 21, 2006, 07:55:00 PM
Quote from: pomonaalum on November 21, 2006, 05:57:14 PM


McCoy scored 32 in his Sagehen debut, a win against Vanguard.

Ruh-roh! :-[

--B. Newhall, K. Scalmanini


This has to be one of my favorite posts ever!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on November 23, 2006, 12:23:03 AM
Jordis - I think the criticism comes from the fact that Redlands is a place well known for its support for athletics.  The system seems like a better option in a place where you might be likely to struggle otherwise (due to lack of resources, poor facilities, etc.).  That's not the case at Redlands.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on November 25, 2006, 12:23:23 AM
I finally had the opportunity to see the Oxy b-ball team on Tuesday night at Rush gym. I was a little dissappointed that they almost let La Serra come back. The last ten min. of the 1st half was all in Oxy favor. Yet, as soon as i left and saw the rest of the score on-line, seems like the boys were playing sloppy.

Oxy needs to improve on Offense. I hope that within the next week the get the scoring system in. Defense looks good so far and can press a bit better than what i have seen in the past. Looks like they should be ready when the play the Mustangs of Cal State San Luie.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cawcdad on November 26, 2006, 01:25:39 AM
Just got back from the Oxy - Stan State game. CSU Stanislaus 75 - Occidental 71. A pretty good game against a fair D-II team.

Some observations: Betty is a very good ball player. His short back in / drive and baby hook is deadly. Stanislaus couldn't stop it. The Tigers did not like the up tempo game the Warriors wanted to play and used two time outs early in the game to try to disrupt the Stan State game. I was surprised that Newhall used his last timeout with more than 5 minutes left in a back and forth game. Oxy stayed close, but much of it was thanks to many unforced turnovers and a ton of missed free throws by Stanislaus (except at the end when Oxy was forced to foul) while the Tigers made theirs. Oxy did an excellent job of boxing out on the defensive end and prevented Stanislaus for getting many second chances, especially in the first half. Oxy did a pretty good job also of breaking the Stanislaus press until the very end when, with the game on the line, the inbound passer tried to force a long pass and threw straight to a Stanislaus player. Good luck to the Tigers the rest of the season.

Bob, saying Turlock is the gateway to Chowchilla is like saying Carson is the gateway to Eagle Rock. ;D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cawcdad on November 26, 2006, 11:11:38 AM
Connor Whitman was selected to the All-Tournament team and Sam Betty was the Tournament MVP
Modesto Bee Story (http://www.modbee.com/sports/story/13052947p-13709171c.html)

QuoteFrom the box score it looks like Oxy got off well, leading 12-2 after 4 minutes, but then gave it all back in the next 3 minutes.
That's when Stanislaus started to go up tempo.

QuoteBetty had 31, Whitman had 18, and everyone else had 22.  Kostic had 6 boards but only 3 points in 33 minutes. Someone else is going to have to score.
From seeing just one game, it seems to me that after Betty and Whitman, it drops off pretty fast for the Tigers. Kostic hits the boards hard but threw several passes away, including the game breaker inbounds pass. Again, good luck to Oxy the rest of the season.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on November 27, 2006, 01:18:45 PM
Having gone through two big test with teams like St. Johns and CS Stanislaus, expect to see the tigers hold on to the top spot in the SCIAC.

However, there are still more non-league test that will indeed show us all what type of team the tigers have this year. If the tigers can hold on to their early leads for more than 12 mins look to see a high rolling oxy team.

With the improving defense and up and coming offense that Oxy is using, i hope to see that as soon as the tigers meet the hens in league play, this will be billed as an awesome match.

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: brandt40 on November 27, 2006, 01:37:56 PM
Did anybody catch any of the games at the Wells Classic?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on November 28, 2006, 05:49:12 PM
Looks like the tigers will be headed to yet another big test as they face the Mustangs of Cal San Luie. Is this the first time Oxy has been paired with d2 teams back to back???

By the looks of it, the mustangs are stacked with kids that are at least 6-5 and above, with the exception of a couple of kids. Should be a great game. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cawcdad on November 28, 2006, 07:37:34 PM
Cal Poly San Luis Obispo is a D-I team.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Redlands Rick on November 28, 2006, 09:37:37 PM
After watching Redlands play the running system for years, I saw their first three games of this season.  Saw the blowout loss at Northridge, saw the big margin win over a undertalented West Coast Baptist team, then saw another blowout loss at Biola. While I am not a proponent or opponent of this system, as I think there are merits to it as well as drawbacks, as a fan, I have questions.

Why do the coaches have one or two guys shoot most of the shots,even when it is painfully clear to all of us in the stands that there are games that  the shots are not falling for the guys doing most the shooting?

Aren't there different plays or calls that can be made to get the ball into the hands of another shooter when certain guys are cold, as some of them have been at Northridge and again last Saturday at Biola?  In watching warmups before all the games, I noticed that some guys on Redlands could not make 40% of their shots unguarded, So I was not surprised when the same guys  who play a lot didn't connect very often when they were guarded.  And one or two guys that I saw hit 80-90% of their 3-pointers in warmups either played very little or not at all. Let's face it, making 20-something % from 3-point land with the same cold-hand shooters being sent out onto the floor time after time while at the same time giving up a ton of high-percentage shots on the other end tells me that adjustments on personnel or play calling are necessary.

Like I mentioned above, why are so many layups given up on the defensive end when the team is struggling on the offensive end?  Maybe that gets back to my question about personnel and adjustments.

Anyway, I know that the team is young and that the seaon younger.  As a fan, I can see flashes of some really great plays and good hustle.  Hopefully, some people can help with my questions, including those who may be more familiar with the system.

Redlands Rick

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dawg gone it on November 28, 2006, 10:28:34 PM
RR,

I can assure you that there is a big difference between shooting around in warm ups with no on on you and shooting in the game.  Anyone can stand around and shoot....having to create a shot during the game and then geting the shot off can be a whole different story.  I have not seen UR play yet but I am familiar with their style of play.  I can probably still out shoot most of the UR players just standing around.  If they guard me....well I could not even get open to receive the ball.

I played in college and have coached at various levels and am a proponent of fast paced offense.  Pushing the ball down the floor prohibits the defense, especially a zone, from digging in.  I believe that if a "good shot" is available it should be taken rather than wait for a play to ...possibily develope.  My college, 2nd college, coach used to say, a play is designed to get someone open for a good shot, it can happen at any time, be ready, you dont have to wait for the entire play to develope to take a good shot."  Really, what is the difference between an open 12 or 15 foot shot....(and dont say 3 feet).

It doesnt appear that UR's problem is scoring, its the total lack of defense that is hurting them.  At least that is what it looks like just reading the box scores.  You cant win giving up 159 points, man is that an understatement.  There must be some balance between offense and defense to be successful.  I have always coached an agressive defense and a fast break type offense, push the ball up the floor style of play.  This is the philosphy of most college coaches today, at least at the major college level where there is plenty of talent.

The best example of what I am saying is Pepperdine's coaches style of play.  There was an article in the Daily News or LA Times on how coaches from all over the country are coming to learn his method.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Redlands Rick on November 28, 2006, 10:34:48 PM
Dawg,

Thanks for the reply, and I understand the difference between warmups and game.  But still, guys who can't hit in warmups usually can't hit in a game.

But as to my questions about personnel and adjustments?

Any help is appreciated.

Redlands Rick
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on November 29, 2006, 12:37:22 AM
Thanks for the Correction Cawcdad.

I assume that they were d-2, based on their football program. In addition, as i was looking on their B-ball page, i found no indication that they were d1. So that made me believe in a d-2 status.

Anyways, this will be a huge game if the tigers pull out of a close game with the 'stangs. I say the tigers beat the mustangs by 4 pts., use a strong defense and take them by surprise. Just my opinion. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cawcdad on November 29, 2006, 06:30:07 AM
You're welcome Browneagle64. Their football team is D-IAA, in the same league with UC Davis, North Dakota State etc and went to the playoffs last year and finished 14 in one poll this year. In basketball they are in the Big West Conference with Pacific, Irvine, Santa Barbara, etc. Good luck with Cal Poly, but they are a tough team to beat in their home. They beat a decent St. Mary's team on Sunday 72 - 59 and routed the Stanislaus team (91 - 72) that beat Oxy.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on November 29, 2006, 12:12:39 PM
Cawcdad

I saw the box scores for the games that you mentioned and still have high hopes for the tigers. You are right that they are tough and loaded with big kids, in the end all i hope is that Oxy pulls the upset and learns from the best. Its games like these that will help the tigers prepare for the likes of the dawgs, stags and hens when SCIAC games open up.  Plus, this will also get betty and co. a good insight into improving more on offense.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DIIIghetto on November 29, 2006, 07:22:06 PM
With a handful of games under our belt, time for the early predictions.

Predicted order of finish:

1.  PP - Kats back on top; not sure what in the heck happened last year.  Two Ls to CMS with everyone back and the SCIAC's best guard.  Don't expect that to sit well with CK.  Look for him to straighten the ship with the best recruiting class and a kid who will look to take the trophy that had Betty written all over it.
2.  CMS - lost so much that I am tempted to put them down but it looks like they brought in some horses who will help them be right there again. 
3.  Oxy - Could and really should be higher, but I'm not sensing any urgency coming out of the Rock in its early performances which suggests to me that losing Marvin and Zach hurts more than Betty's talent and the new guards will be able to overcome.  Never want to count out this coaching staff, who got a team that learned first hand about tightening cheeks in the 2nd half of league (culminated by some dude from Redlands dropping 80 on them in the Rock - do we call the Rock "Hersey, PA West" this year?) then turned around and beat CMS at home then went neck and neck with a tough UPS team in the playoffs.  Backcourt has to prove to me that it isn't the 5th best in this conference. 
4.  CLU - new gym is enough to get them right here.
5.  Redlands - should be lower but I expect a rally around GS in his send-off. 
5.  LV - no Greenlee but they look like they have some players.
6.  Whittier - talent to be where Oxy is but need to show they aren't afraid of the Big 3. 
7.  CT - you heard it here first, 2007 will be the year CT wins its first SCIAC game since they beat Popovich and the Hens!!!

Here is to hoping PP gets Wooster, Oxy gets Williams and LV and Whittier keep it under 10 against UPS.  National reps at stake here fellas.  Advance the cause. 

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LookinForFort on November 29, 2006, 09:09:55 PM
Whats up doods, im a newcomer to the board representing the very underrepresented CMS stags.  Speaking of which looks like they are off to a solid 4-0 start which might suprise a lot of people but they have a very solid team that without a doubt has one of the best defenses around. That defense allows the stags a chance to be in every game, even if they have a cold shooting night.  Ill be at the games when they come to the bay this weekend and will report back on what i expect to be a good road trip. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dawg gone it on November 29, 2006, 09:49:11 PM
The UR website had the scores posted of the current games but  for some reason they were missing when I tried to look them up.  I believe that at least 2 teams scored well over 100 points on them.  It isnt hard to figure out that ....defense ...or the lack of it, is the problem.  and Bob, I havent seen them this year but have in the past. I am familiar with their scheme and it would not be the one I would choose but, I am not the coach. 

According to your posts, I guess you are the only one who has any knowledge on the subject.  Want to know where I played?....use your google abilities and you will find the answer.   

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: castle on November 29, 2006, 10:45:17 PM
Been away from the board for awhile, a man it is good to be back.  I wanted to mention a nice performance in Maui by CLU.  Going 2-1, with W's over Alvernia and L&C with a loss to Whitworth mixed in.  So far, sciac is 3-3 vs. nwc this year.  UPS plays at LV and Whittier, and CLU has games with Pacific and Williamette.  Hopefully PP can shock Wooster on the 18th, but that seems like a real long shot.  A win over Puget or Wooster could pay help out come tourny time.

Can't wait until OXY, PP and CMS all come to the new gym within a 12-day span in late Jan.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Redlands Rick on November 29, 2006, 11:05:33 PM
Dawg,

Since you claim to have both played  and coached, and since you claim to be familiar with this scheme as run by Redlands, I had hoped that you  or someone else that knows this system would attempt to answer some legitimate questions I raised connected to in-game adjustments.

Any takers?

RR
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dawg gone it on November 30, 2006, 12:32:17 AM
RR,

Not yet...it's impossible to answer your questions until I see the team play and see the personnel.  I know the scheme they run but havnt seen the kids who do it other than Amiaziri (sp?) Sorry, I know I butchered his anme but the website was down.  He is a kid from the Thousnad Oaks area whree I live and he played on a T.O travel ball team.  My son played on a younger team and I saw him play at that level and a few games in hs.  Good shooter.

Just looking at the box scores only tells you so much.  It is obvious that defense is not a part of the scheme.  Kind of the the Dallas Mavericks of the past few years...all O and no D.  LMU used to play a similar style of ball but they did play pressure defense of some sort.  It is my personal opinion that you cant win on a consistent basis without playing D.  It is easier for a player to play good D than O...it takes less basketball skill, by that I mean ball handling, shooting touch etc.  Move your feet, box out and stick with your man or zone assignment and you can be successful.

In many fast paced offenses, there are very few plays, more quick cuts, screens and pushing the ball to the hoop or kick outs off the drive.  Again, without actually seeing UR play I really dont know their exact scheme.  I know its run and gun offense from an ex industiral league teammate, Mike Hornbuckle who played at UR and from a good friend who played at CLU and now coaches at Crespi.

What I was trying to say in my earlier post is that warm ups mean very little.  Look for form and touch as opposed to results and you will find the best shooters, not necessarily the best players.  That was always my problem :D

I plan on seeing a UR game in the next week or so.  I live near CLU  and plan to catch a few of their games soon also. 

Obviously, these are my opinions and I am not professing them to be the only way to play the game....I think if you go back and look at most good or great teams they all had great scorers...but they also played defense. 

Of course according to OB, I just rant and know nothing. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on November 30, 2006, 01:06:35 AM
Another tough lost to a strong opponent for the Boys in orange and Black. Eventhough the tigers were facing a bigger and stronger team, it looks like turnovers tamed them. In addition, defense came back to haunt the boys in the first half as Cal Poly made 59 percent of its first-half floor shots and bolted to a 51-30 lead at the break. .

Occidental did manage to connect on 53.3 percent of its floor shots but took 14 fewer shots than Cal Poly. The Mustangs shot better from the floor -- 49.2 percent -- than from the line -- 45.8 percent. In all, the boys hung in to not get burnt.

Again, i hope that the tigers learn from these bigger and talent opponents. Because when SCIAC play opens up, its a whole different b-ball game.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on November 30, 2006, 01:56:35 AM
Rick,

This shooting system is evil for the stat recorders. At the end of the game i can assure you and atest that you will end up getting corpal tunnel after trying to punch in every freaken score. I did the stat keeping and recording for an Oxy-Redlands game as an undergrad and boy did i hate the freak show.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LookinForFort on November 30, 2006, 11:16:35 AM
Let be honest here, the redlands sysytem isnt designed to win basketball games, it designed to put up ridiculous numbers and national scoring records.  This should be evident by anyone who has ever been in the redlands gym seeing as the scoring record banners are bigger than any championship banner outside of the ones the hang in the NBA.  If this were a recipe for success we would see more teams in college running this system, and the reason we dont is because other colleges dont care about scoring records.  The real shame is that there are guys at redlands that are good all around basketball players and dont get to show that because they are stuck in a system that jacks up 35 footers and plays a gimic defense.  So unless Mazeri is going to go crazy and drop 50+ a game like he did at the rock, Redlands will not be in the SCIAC race, simple.

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on November 30, 2006, 12:38:43 PM
RR-

I am not sure if this answers your question, but here's my understanding of some of the key principles of the system that are related to your questions:

-it's more about volume of shots (and taking shots quickly) than it is about working for a "quality" shot
-The press is supposed to either quickly create a turnover or give up a quick layup opportunity - then you get the ball back and try to trade 3 for 2
-I originally thought that all five on the floor were cleared to fire away, but in recent years it seems like there are "designated shooters"
-I have seen players continue to jack up three pointers even after missing everything three straight times
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on November 30, 2006, 12:48:53 PM
Quote from: LookinForFort on November 30, 2006, 11:16:35 AM
The real shame is that there are guys at redlands that are good all around basketball players and dont get to show that because they are stuck in a system that jacks up 35 footers and plays a gimic defense. 

I don't think anyone should be feeling sorry for the kids playing at Redlands.  The "system" and coach have been there long enough that anyone looking at Redlands knew exactly the environment and program into which they would be stepping.

tooth
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on November 30, 2006, 01:06:52 PM
With the return of Zebb and Alexander I hope that the tigers can get back into the W column. The tigers cannot rely on Whitman and betty alone in scoring duties. Yet, I still have high hope in seeing kostic, pitcher and conti come out of their slump and produce like they did a week ago against La Sierra. If these 8 guys and the Oxy bench can produce early leads and stay out on top, I can assure you that the tigers will be roaring. Good thing Oxy still has a consistant D so far-(at least against Non-D 1 schools that is)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DIIIghetto on November 30, 2006, 01:15:18 PM
OB hits it on the head about the GS system.  Haven't we discussed that topic way, way too much.  Good to have a CMS fan showing up.  With PP back, I suspect our PP fans will be back too.  That gives us the Big 3 & Oxy here which if we are able to keep the meaningless GS system posts to a minimum, could make for a good year or ribbing, information sharing, and ultimately interesting reading.   The only posts I care to read about Redlands, until they do something, is how homie dropped 90 on the Tiger backcourt at the Rock.  Did anyone get a picture of him holding up a card with 90 scrawled on it after the game?

Rumor has it that Kats has brought in the hoops equivalent to Andy Collins.  For those of you who don't understand the implications of that analogy, Andy Collins is a D1 transfer will go down as arguably the best SCIAC football player ever.  I would think that Betty will have something to say about that before the year, as well as some dudes across campus in Claremont and I think we will all benefit from some tough, tough games.  As I said earlier, I'm sticking with Kats and like his chances to raise another banner.

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on November 30, 2006, 02:35:19 PM
Quote from: DIIIghetto on November 30, 2006, 01:15:18 PM
OB hits it on the head about the GS system.  Haven't we discussed that topic way, way too much.  Good to have a CMS fan showing up.  With PP back, I suspect our PP fans will be back too.  That gives us the Big 3 & Oxy here which if we are able to keep the meaningless GS system posts to a minimum, could make for a good year or ribbing, information sharing, and ultimately interesting reading.   The only posts I care to read about Redlands, until they do something, is how homie dropped 90 on the Tiger backcourt at the Rock.  Did anyone get a picture of him holding up a card with 90 scrawled on it after the game?

Rumor has it that Kats has brought in the hoops equivalent to Andy Collins.  For those of you who don't understand the implications of that analogy, Andy Collins is a D1 transfer will go down as arguably the best SCIAC football player ever.  I would think that Betty will have something to say about that before the year, as well as some dudes across campus in Claremont and I think we will all benefit from some tough, tough games.  As I said earlier, I'm sticking with Kats and like his chances to raise another banner.



Andy Collins the best ever? While I agree that he is an amazing talent I would disagree about the best ever. Last time I checked Danny Ragsdale from Redlands won the DIII Heisman(Gagliardi Trophy) in 1999. Andy Collins is not even a finalist. Collins had a great career but I feel that not even him or Ragsdale was the best ever. My vote goes to Anthony Rice from La Verne.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on November 30, 2006, 02:41:56 PM
Excellent . . . let's evolve to a total football discussion since we haven't been given a good forum for that . . .  ;)

And if we want to talk about all time football greats, I think that we have to consider Occidental's Jack Kemp and Vance Mueller as candidates given their post collegiate pro careers.

aloha bruddahs

tooth
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on November 30, 2006, 02:49:31 PM
Quote from: Sabretooth Tiger on November 30, 2006, 02:41:56 PM
Excellent . . . let's evolve to a total football discussion since we haven't been given a good forum for that . . .  ;)

And if we want to talk about all time football greats, I think that we have to consider Occidental's Jack Kemp and Vance Mueller as candidates given their post collegiate pro careers.

aloha bruddahs

tooth


Tooth,

It's just one post. No need to get your panties all in a bunch. I do agree about Kemp and Mueller. So many great players over the years.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on November 30, 2006, 05:15:46 PM
Quote from: RFB on November 30, 2006, 02:49:31 PM
Quote from: Sabretooth Tiger on November 30, 2006, 02:41:56 PM
Excellent . . . let's evolve to a total football discussion since we haven't been given a good forum for that . . .  ;)

And if we want to talk about all time football greats, I think that we have to consider Occidental's Jack Kemp and Vance Mueller as candidates given their post collegiate pro careers.

aloha bruddahs

tooth

Tooth,

It's just one post. No need to get your panties all in a bunch. I do agree about Kemp and Mueller. So many great players over the years.

RFB dude,

Truthfully, no bunching at all, merely amusement given the dearth of discussions on the football board, I don't mind a little cross-tranference at all.  In fact, I think we should discuss the women's teams here too! 

Hope everything is going well for you and your family . . . go hit some waves bud.

Oh yes, if anyone is interested, the new D3 top 25 is out, Oxy dropped to #25.

tooth
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on November 30, 2006, 05:47:50 PM
Tooth-

Although I understand why RFB responded here, I'll follow your wishes & take the "best pro career" discussion to the football board... :)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pomonaalum on November 30, 2006, 08:32:24 PM
To be fair, McCoy wasn't recruited to play at NCSt...anyways, hoping to see PP play this weekend in St. Louis at the Lopata Classic, but the last we've heard is that the team is stuck at the Dallas airport, due to the winter weather in St. Louis.  Airport is closed for the evening, our current sleet/freezing rain is supposed to change to snow overnight and taper off by morning. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dawg gone it on November 30, 2006, 11:33:32 PM
Well Oxy Bob, once again you choose to insult rather than discuss.  I would really appreciate you stop insulting me after every post.
And leave my son out of your discussions, I only mentioned him in reference to seeing a UR guy play basketball. I dont care that you disagree with anything or everything I post, there really is no need to be abusive. 

If you think the Grinell system is copyrighted, you are wrong...remember LMU/ ...drive and kick was the name they gave the same system.  They were successful because of two outstanding players and they played some small degree of defense.  It might ve a fun system to play in if...you are a 3 point shooter...otherwise, forget it.

Ill drop another name on you Bob....Larry Brown...good coach????  I worked his Camp when he coached the Nuggets in the mid to late 70's.  I guess I knew enough to work for him.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on December 01, 2006, 11:12:49 AM
If Oxy has played several strong D2 and D1 schools back-to-back within the past three weeks, does this really warrant them losing their #22 spot? It will be interesting to learn and see what Oxy will do to claw their way back to were they are really supposed to be. Maybe as soon as the non-d1/d2 stop playing them, Oxy will come out with more confidence, urgency and intensity.

Btw, why haven't we heard more of this Mcoy kid? (ie.. how much time has he played so far for the hens, scores on him/stats, Pomona dailynews praising the return of the "one" that will lead the hens to the Top. Is he really the real McCoy and answer to getting the Hens back to the top? Or is he just billed as some bounce back kid that will not have a huge impact as many would have expected? 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on December 01, 2006, 02:43:37 PM
I look foward in seeing Oxy and Co. rebound from such games and instead worry more about league play.

As mentioned before, as soon as Kostic, conti, pitcher and the bench wake up, expect the tigers to be playing better b-ball.

It sounds like McCoy will indeed be an asset for the hens. I wonder how he and knowles will do if they can quickly bond and gel and become a force?

Any other words from the Cal Lu camp and La Verne followers

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on December 01, 2006, 03:33:20 PM
BE-

I've only seen one half of one game, so here's my very limited take.  The Kingsmen big men are on the young side - but the guards are experienced and the newbies are good enough that with some seasoning they might be tough come conference time.  Maybe not quite ready to challenge for the title - but I'd be surprised if they didn't at least give Oxy, CMS and PP a run for their money.

Like you I am curious about LaVerne - especially in the post Greenlee era.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LookinForFort on December 01, 2006, 07:04:30 PM
About to cruz out and watch my stags take on dominican, i expect a tough low scoring game, just how the stags like em
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dawg gone it on December 01, 2006, 08:56:20 PM
Bob.....Insult, insult insult.....cant you do anything else???   
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pomonaalum on December 01, 2006, 11:57:31 PM
PP beats Worcester State in the Lopata Classic at Wash U - something like 89-61.  Knowles went for 26, McCoy for 16 - 'Hens went 15-29 from 3 point land and will take on Wash U tomorrow night for the tourney title.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LookinForFort on December 02, 2006, 09:04:23 AM
Solid win for pomona, if you go 15-29 from deep there is a pretty good chance you are getting that W, unless of course your redlands.  Anyways my stags put the smack down on domincan pretty good last night, i think the final was 62-42 and it looked even worse than that.  Although Dominican is in a down year the stags defense already looks to be in SCIAC form. The Domincan guards had no chance against Scalis fired up D. Although the stags offense seems to stall at times, their defense and hustle keeps them in games and i doubt anyone in the SCIAC looks foward to playing against that D.  CMC also has a big 6-10 freshmen that will no doubt be a dominate force in the SCIAC for years to come. He is mormon so will be on his mission after this year but i guarantee when this guy comes back  he will be one of the best big men in SCIAC.The stags take on Menlo tonight, hoping to see another beat down in the bay.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fosheezie on December 02, 2006, 08:33:18 PM
Any score yet on the PP - Wash U game?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on December 02, 2006, 10:12:30 PM
Now thats more like it, great update on how this McCoy kids is shaping up in the land of the hens. Great win by the hens and the stags, btw.

Sounds like he and knowles will indeed turn into a force not to be messed with. Thats unless they face a good defense and get shut down. Of course i hope that will occur as soon as both players come to the Rock and face Oxy's D. ;D

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pomonaalum on December 02, 2006, 11:15:59 PM
Just back from the PP-Wash U game...Hens actually led by 3 at halftime in a 1st half tat featured a lot of missed shots by both teams.  In the 2nd half, Wash U took over with a flurry of 3 pt shots that in turn opened up their interior game.  Wash U is a pretty solid team, thought young, and pretty well balanced on offense.   For PP, Knowles was in foul trouble for a lot of the game and wasn't much of a factor.  As far as McCoy, he displayed some flashes, but didn't have a great game.  Hit a couple of 3's, and showed some ability to get to the basket and finish, but generally had a pretty frustrating night.  He's not extremely quick, and while he has a decent shot, didn't appear to be a lights out shooter, and didn't display any mid-range game.

Pomona is a solid team, but will have trouble with teams with strong inside games.  They are primarily a perimeter team, and though they have some height, have trouble defending the interior.  The lack of a post game on offense puts a lot of pressure on the outside shooting - appears that Pomona will live and die by the 3.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on December 03, 2006, 04:19:56 AM
The Stags just finished up a 2-0 trip in Northern Califorrnia, beating Dominican easily and Menlo in a barn burner. The stags were down 7 with 3 minutes left but mounted a furious rally and Coury Clemens hit the game winning three with 1 minute left and the STAG D prevailed over a tough Menlo opponent.  At 6-0 the Stags are showing that they will be a formidable team in the SCIAC even without the great Parsons and Taylor. They face a tough Westmont team this friday which will test their will with a big time athlete in Aguierre and some tough guards. Overall, I feel that the Stag D, which is #1 in DIII in scoring D, will keep them in ANY game, regardless of team, and will be a force in the SCIAC. I cant wait until January when the SCIAC season begins!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Redlands Rick on December 04, 2006, 11:11:08 AM
I have seen all of Redlands games so far this season, including the three wins over the weekend that powered Redlands to the title of the Fulmer Memorial Tourney.  Redlands edged Chapman in the final game that was one of the more physical contests I can remember.

The finals matched up some of the tournament's best players. Chapman had a couple of outstanding guards in #14 Brown and #24 Carnie  that Redlands countered with their own, #21 Thomas and #25 Mazzari. Other Bulldogs had a very good game.

Overall, Redlands showed improvement from their first few games, including better defense and better shooting.  In watching the Redlands offense that I have tried to understand over the years, it seems as though they got good overall production out of their guards #3,  #4,  #21 and #25  but less so from their forwards, as some of their forwards have marginal offensive skills.  I did see one forward, I think he was #33, shoot with excellent range and accuracy. 

So over the past two weeks I have seen the evolving team process. Hope the Bulldogs can continue the improvement in getting ready for conference play.

Redlands Rick
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TeeDub on December 04, 2006, 01:45:16 PM
Quote from: Redlands Rick on December 04, 2006, 11:11:08 AM
I did see one forward, I think he was #33, shoot with excellent range and accuracy. 


Interesting observation that you would single out #33...he played only 21 minutes for the entire three-game tournament and was 3-9 from the field.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Redlands Rick on December 04, 2006, 05:54:18 PM
Maybe it was another, as I did not look at the box scores. Just go on memory.

RR
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hoopsallthetime on December 05, 2006, 01:52:30 PM
How about those stags! Everyone thought that Coach Scalmanini was going to have a off year, and everyone was going to get redemption for them putting the smack down during conference play last year. I have watched almost everyone of there games, and let me tell you. You are going to have a tough time scoring on this team. The Stags are the number 1 scoring defense in the country. With Maceira running the show, and Winterbottom, Clemens, Soldner, and Gala doing there thing, I promise you this team will be tough to beat. Not only have they beatin Willamette in Division 3 play, but also taken down a tough Dominican and Menlo Team on the road. The stags are 5-0 on the road and 1-0 at home. With a tough game against a strong Westmont team this Friday at home, the stags are looking to go 7-0. Here's something to ponder if you dont know already? (Westmont beat Azusa Pacific Saturday night). Don't tell me this wont be a tough game on friday night, including the pressure of beating Westmont on their own floor last year. Westmont will be ready, and so will the Stags. Hope to see you at the game.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on December 05, 2006, 05:40:55 PM
I'm am happy to learn  and excited to hear that CMS is doing very good even without the likes of parsons and miles.

However, when it comes down to conference play, CMS will face really tough teams in Pomona and Oxy. Both these schools have played against the best and have gone as far as being battle tested and ready for a show down. In fact, although oxy lost games against good D1 and D2 teams. They have also learned what they need to do next to stay on top of their opponents. In addition, i am sure that Mccoy, knowles and the rest of the hens are doing everything possible to prove to us all that last year was just a fluke and a down year. All in all, CMS should be aware of these teams and any other teams when it comes down to SCIAC play.

THanks for the scoring summary from Oxy's game against Sierra. Seems like some of the same kids that did most of the scoring the first time the cats played the eagles. I was hoping more points from Pitcher, Kostic and others that played really well the first time around. Seems like that was not the case though.

Yo, DIIIghetto, foshezzie or anyone else, we need some more insight and street knowledge about these SCIAC teams and on my "Cats". What's your opinions so far how how each school is doing?
Help us with your research and Holla back
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pomonaalum on December 05, 2006, 11:06:38 PM
Ok, more of my thoughts on Pomona, albeit based on just seeing one game against Wash U.  Not sure if there are any impact players still abroad for the Fall Semester.

McCoy reminds me a little of Alex Lloyd, without as much explosiveness to his game.  Maybe a bit more perimeter oriented, but someone who can get to the basket...presents some matchup problems with his size against smaller guards, and with his quickness against bigger players.  Plays a little out of control at times and forces things, but plays with intensity at both ends.  His outside shot is a little flat and will probably be a streaky shooter, but seems to have the green light.

Some good young talent, notably Adam Chaimowitz, a guard.  He played some point when Knowles was out, but probably better suited for the 2.  Looked to be the best pure shooter on the team - not real big or quick, but good instincts and will be a good player for Katz.  Another young player worth mentioning is Justin Sexton, a FR C/F who started against Wash U.  Needs to get physically stronger, but showed some promise.  Colin Reinstadt, a FR wing player also showed a good shooting touch and will probably play some key minutes.

Not sure what happened against Wash U in the second half, but the Hens ran into a buzzsaw, giving up 75+% shooting from the field.  Don't think that Wash U is 16 points better...
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on December 07, 2006, 10:31:04 AM
Looks like the Kingsmen had a tough night at the free throw line in a 9 point loss last night down at Chapman.  Judging from their website, the Panthers are apparently priding themselves on holding teams under 50 this year.  It'll be intersting to see how things go for them next week against Oxy.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Former Player/ Former Coach on December 07, 2006, 11:33:00 AM
Quote from: scandihoovian on December 07, 2006, 10:31:04 AM
Looks like the Kingsmen had a tough night at the free throw line in a 9 point loss last night down at Chapman.  Judging from their website, the Panthers are apparently priding themselves on holding teams under 50 this year.  It'll be intersting to see how things go for them next week against Oxy.


Lets be honest. Chapman plays an uptempo style and because of how many shots teams tend to get in that type of game, their not going to hold everyone under 50.  Every team for the exception of redlands and maybe grinnell try to play good defense.  "priding themselves" on holding teams under 50 pts. is more like a S.I.D. looking for something to start his press release.  The tempo of the game Cal Lu plays, may dictate low scoring games for either them or their opponents.  2 cal lu losses - 55 points and 48points.  Don't read into anything written by SID's.  They appeal to their readers.  Cal Lu's SID never gave the final score. :D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Watcher on December 07, 2006, 11:47:56 AM

       Chris McKoy has decided to leave PP at semester's end. He asked if he could play the last remaing games this semester, and Kat left it up to his players. The team voted unanimously to send him packing now.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on December 07, 2006, 01:22:08 PM
Quote from: "Floating On The Perimeter" on December 07, 2006, 11:33:00 AM
Don't read into anything written by SID's.  They appeal to their readers.  Cal Lu's SID never gave the final score. :D

Fair enough, I understand that the SID is not on the coaching staff, but I don't think you read the artlcle on the CLU website very carefully...

"ORANGE, Calif. (Dec. 6, 2006) – Cal Lutheran outscored Chapman 27-26 in the second half of play, but it wasn't enough to overcome a 33-21 half time deficit as they fell 59-48 in non-conference play."

Click here for full article text (http://www.clusports.com/mens_basketball/news/3276/)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hoopsallthetime on December 07, 2006, 03:43:26 PM
I've heard the rumor today that McKoy is off the Pomona basketball team for good. Is the rumor true. I bet Knowles is a little pissed off, because he knows he cant score every basket to help them win. Kats better get them freshman ready now if he expects to win. I may have to make my way over to Pomona tonight, and see if the rumors are true~
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on December 07, 2006, 09:59:24 PM
Interesting rumor out of Pomona, if its true.  Maybe his visit last week to St. Louis reminded him how lovely the midwest is...(isn't he a native of Louisville?)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hoopsallthetime on December 08, 2006, 01:18:27 PM
It is official, the rumor is true. Chris Mckoy is officialy off the Pomona basketball team. A friend was went to the game, and said he was not anywhere to be seen. Rumors say that he left the team so that he could graduate from NC State next semester instead of staying another year at Pomona. I guess basketball wasn't in his blood.

Go Stags
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on December 08, 2006, 03:07:39 PM
Ah, that's right, an diploma from NC State is definitely better than one from Pomona...right...

Oxy Bob,

Hey, 36 degrees is a warming trend here in St. Louis   ;D.  Upon getting up the last two days it's been about 10 degrees with a wind chill near or below zero. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on December 08, 2006, 03:32:55 PM
Just when i thought everything was good and all B-ball related stories were heading in the right direction for the hens, we suddenldy come to understand that McCoy will be leaving. Boy, it's going to be interesting learning what Kat and his crew will do to get the young hens refocused and ready for the SCIAC. Although, Knowles will be the impact player, i hope that other players will step up and get ready to unite a team that needs to get back to the top.

In hearing this news, the race for the SCIAC now goes through a good CMS team and an up and coming Tiger team. If these two teams continue to do a good job, expect and look to see a hard race for crown. But, with the tigers coming out on top ;D

Can't wait until Oxy plays chapman. I understand the Panthers have a good defense, but i am sure coach newhall and co. will find leaks in the panther d. that he will use for oxy's advantage. Close game till the end but oxy comes out with a 'W'
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dawg gone it on December 10, 2006, 12:43:52 PM
Bob,

You should of let me know....we could have had a beer.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fosheezie on December 12, 2006, 12:43:04 AM
Wow, weird to see McCoy leave PP midway through the year.  Maybe he couldn't handle Kats coaching.  Hey, not many can, thats what makes his teams deadly.  You gotta have mentally strong players to compete, bet Kats cant be too happy about that.  But the young guys performed well vs. an always strong Biola squad.  As usual Knowles went off, and it looks like the Kristof and Chaimowitz kids played well for freshman.  Good recruiting might have Kats thinking of future titles, but dont count him out this year, the Wizard of Claremont is always dangerous
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hoopsallthetime on December 12, 2006, 12:54:54 PM
The stags head up to Irvine, CA to play the always tough Concordia University. After a tough loss to Westmont, the stags had an easy time with  La Sierra University to go to 7-1 on the season. I believe if the stags play as well as they did against the Warriors of Westmont, they should have a great win against Concordia. Look for the score to be low, and defense at an all-time high. Good luck stags, and we can't wait to get our horse in Craig Borengasser back for conference play. Go stags!!!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on December 14, 2006, 05:16:32 PM
Bob-

Be careful when talking junk about GSBC.  I am confident that their players come out fired up and ready to play after scheduled hours in the dating parlor (http://www.gsbc.edu/general_information.htm). ;)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on December 14, 2006, 07:30:48 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on December 14, 2006, 05:35:55 PM
scandihoovian:

>>I am confident that their players come out fired up and ready to play after scheduled hours in the dating parlor.<<

That's hilarious.

Oh, look, I was able to find detailed rules for use of the Dating Parlor. (http://www.bop.gov/inmate_locator/procedures.jsp)

OxyBob


ROTFLMAO  :D :D :D

I thought about making a U of Miami crack but then thought better, that's gotten to the place where it's just plain tragic.

I guess it must be finals week Bob, do you hear the crickets in here too?

I am looking forward to seeing what happens around the conference this weekend.  I wish the CLU Pacific game was up here instead of in Pasadena.  Like cmsstag I think the CMS - Concordia game could be a telling matchup...
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pomonaalum on December 14, 2006, 07:36:09 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on December 14, 2006, 05:35:55 PM
scandihoovian:

>>I am confident that their players come out fired up and ready to play after scheduled hours in the dating parlor.<<

That's hilarious.

Oh, look, I was able to find detailed rules for use of the Dating Parlor. (http://www.bop.gov/inmate_locator/procedures.jsp)

OxyBob


We were playing at one of the GSAC schools once, maybe Cal Baptist or Azusa Pacific, and had some kind of heavy metal music playing in the team van - maybe Metallica or something - we were
"spoken to" by one of the school admins about the music...
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DIIIghetto on December 14, 2006, 08:41:23 PM
Hen fans, PP is in trouble minus ACC flunky.  I'll never understand why a kid would elect to leave Pomona to finish his degree at NC State.  Especially a kid who could ball and was allowed to jack up as many shots as he could find.  Kats brought in some good recruits and still has the best guard in Knowles, but losing that kid to me moves them below CMS.  With the Stags D, the almost inconceivable scenario in that rivalry of back to back sweeps is a real possibility.

I hate to say it but I think the Wooster game is about as big as any Kats has coached.  PP fans always point out to the one and done playoff performances as being heavily influenced by having to get on the road and play such good teams.  Here one comes to his backyard.  Hard to argue that if you look at some of those teams they have run up against.  For too many years Kats and PP have not been able to get national respect.  Here is to hoping that they can send a shocker to the D3 nation next week.  Wooster is a hell of a team, so it may be wishful thinking.  But many folks would have said the same thing about Oxy last year when Amherst rolled into the place formerly known as the Rock (now Hersey PA West).   Kats should shamelessly try to find ways to pack the gym, even if he has to give 1000 tickets to local teams from the Claremont YMCA.

CMS is having a heck of a year, but won't get any respect for it outside of the southland because they made some weak scheduling decisions.  Think national Stags.  NAIA performances, while impressive to folks in the southland, aren't getting you very far in the D3 nation. 

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pomonaalum on December 14, 2006, 11:41:33 PM
Pomona tickets, except for NCAA home games, are free.  Sadly, if Kats brought in 1000 kids from local teams, that would mean about 1200 fans there for the game, maybe less because it's probably finals week.  Rains only gets packed for CMS games...
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on December 15, 2006, 08:25:18 AM
Quote from: scandihoovian on December 14, 2006, 05:16:32 PM
Bob-

Be careful when talking junk about GSBC.  I am confident that their players come out fired up and ready to play after scheduled hours in the dating parlor (http://www.gsbc.edu/general_information.htm). ;)
How do the students earn extra credit in their philosophy classes for answering the age old question, "your place, or mine?"?  ???
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hoopsallthetime on December 15, 2006, 01:02:57 PM
I hate to say it, but i think D111ghetto is right when it comes to the stags and their schedule. Division 3 basketball doesnt take to account wins against the GSAC and teams like Concordia, Westmont, Point Loma, and Asuza Pacific. The stags could beat all of them, and still not get the votes that they need to be noticed. I believe Coach Scalmanini does it right, playing tough GSAC teams in the preseason only makes his team tougher when it comes to conference play. Sure he could go play La Sierra twice a year, but will that make his team tougher come conference play. That is why I beleive the stags are at the top of the conference year in and year out. They play tough teams in the preseason to get them ready for confernce play in the spring. A win tomorrow night I beleive will help the stags get noticed, and believe me if you haven't seen this team play, you better start watching. This team punishes you with their tough defense, and the offense will make you play defense for 25 to 35 seconds. Be ready to play these guys, because if you are not, they will come at you.
Good luck to Pomona on Monday, I hope you can beat Wooster. Also good luck to Oxy, as they play a very tough team in Chapman on Saturday.

Good luck tomorrow night stags!!!!!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 15, 2006, 01:10:49 PM
Quote from: cmsstag on December 15, 2006, 01:02:57 PM
I hate to say it, but i think D111ghetto is right when it comes to the stags and their schedule. Division 3 basketball doesnt take to account wins against the GSAC and teams like Concordia, Westmont, Point Loma, and Asuza Pacific.

I think that you're selling Pat and his pollsters short. I'd be willing to wager that most of them, if not all of them, are very aware of the prowess of the GSAC on the NAIA-1 level. Part of being a knowledgeable follower of D3 is being a knowledgeable follower of small-college ball in general, because there's so much crossover in terms of non-conference games played.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: UPSoundLogs on December 15, 2006, 05:20:31 PM
Hey there SCIAC fans, I'm just popping in from the NWC.  Things have gotten a little slow over on our board so I figured I'd come check out how Cali is looking so far this year.

I've noticed a lot of talk about your teams playing too many GSAC opponents and not enough D3 competition before league play starts up.  I'm fairly knowledgeable about the GSAC and know how tough their league is most years, especially a teams like Azusa Pacific and Biola.  I was just wondering how you guys feel the SCIAC stacks up to the GSAC? Since the two conferences play a lot of games every year i figured you guys would be a pretty good judge of the competition between the two.  Are the players and teams pretty comparable or is there a large gap one way or the other? Just curious? 

I wish all of your teams good luck this season I'm hoping that between the SCIAC and NWC we can send a couple teams deep into the tourney and start to get some more respect for the West Coast!!! 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on December 15, 2006, 07:21:40 PM
"I just stare at my desk, but it looks like I'm working. I do that for probably another hour after lunch too, I'd say in a given week I probably only do about fifteen minutes of real, actual, work." :o

UPSoundLogs,

Are you sure you aren't a SCIAC guy? ;)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wooscotsfan on December 17, 2006, 10:24:58 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on December 14, 2006, 05:49:15 PM
I wonder who Wooster President Stan Hales (http://www.wooster.edu/president/named.html) will be rooting for.

OxyBob

Even as a Pomona grad, Hales will be rooting for the #1 team in the nation! ;D

GO SCOTS!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wooscotsfan on December 17, 2006, 11:20:30 AM
Here is a brief preview of #1 Wooster:

As a team, the 8-0 Scots are:
-Shooting 51% from the Floor
-Shooting 41% on three pointers (86 of 209)
-Shooting 81% from the charity stripe
-Outrebounding opponents 36.9 to 32.0

Wooster has two Street & Smith preseason All Americans in guard James Cooper 6'0" and wing Tom Port 6'5".  Both can break down a defense and create good shots.  Port is especially versatile because he shoots three pointers, scores in the paint and is Wooster's #2 rebounder.

Center Tim Vandervaart 6'6" is a crafty inside player and he is actually leading Wooster in scoring ~17 ppg and in rebounding at 8 per game.  He shoots 65% from the floor.

Wooster has several players that shoot three pointers well including Cooper, Port, point guard Brandon Johnson and sixth man Devin Fulk.  Wooster also brings two other athletic players in Evan Will 6'6" and Marty Bidwell 6'4" off the bench.

Wooster played an up tempo nationally ranked NAIA team Cedarville last night in a 104-95 win and the Scots are obviously traveling to the west coast today.  Let's hope that they get enough rest to play their best ball against Pomona-Pitzer tomorrow night. :)  Should be a great game.

GO SCOTS!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on December 17, 2006, 03:06:15 PM
I see from Chapman's website that Oxy prevailed last night 67-62.  OxyBob . . . where's the eyewitness report?

tooth
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dirty Harry on December 17, 2006, 05:59:35 PM
Oxy lead 40-32 at the half and held of a second half surge by Chapman to win by 5 as tooth posted above. Pretty solid game for Betty, who had 20 points along with 6 rebounds. Ivan Kostic and Connor Whitman lead the supporting cast with 14 and 17 points respectively. 15 of Whitman's points came from three-pointers. Nick Mills added 9 boards and 5 assists.

Chapman had four players in double digits: Josh Flynn-Brown (10), Patrick Carney (12), Miguel Bennett (16) and Jared Kaiser (14). Bennett and Kaiser each had 5 boards as well.

Thoughts on the game: Chapman was lucky to have only lost by 5.  They shot only 30% from the free throw line in the second half which ultimately doomed them. I'm not sure if Oxy didn't play as hard in the second half as they did the first but they certainly played a much sloppier game. Both teams had 13 turnovers, Chapman's coming at the worst possible times (after timeouts, inbounding the ball). If Oxy looks to head to the post-season, which I believe they will after winning SCIAC, they will need Betty to continue to be the team leader but desperately need the big guys to step it up on the defensive side. Kaiser was a good physical player around the basket and was giving Betty and company fits all night. Oxy's next games are over the New Year's weekend when they travel to Cal Tech; not sure who they play however. For those who are interested, the Oxy women's team plays Monday and Tuesday at Rush Gym.Happy Holidays to all.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DIIIghetto on December 17, 2006, 07:31:09 PM
Pomonalum, an empty gym, against studs like the Scots are bringing in, ouch.   I'll put them at 15 point favorites.  If they can keep it under 10 I would bet there would be some surprised folks around the country.  I hope that Knowles realizes this is a great chance to show how legit his game is against as good of a guard as he'll face this year.  Come on Hens, the conference needs you to remember that these guys don't think you could finish in the top 5 in their conference.   Go out and ball.   Empty or not, it is YOUR gym.   

 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on December 17, 2006, 08:18:32 PM
I must have just missed you Bob at the CLU-Santa Cruz game.  I caught the end of the first half and all of the second.  What has happened to Santa Cruz?  Am I totally off base in thinking that just a few years ago they used to be decent?  Edit: I just looked and they haven't been decent in a while, but it does seem like maybe they used to have a better team than this year's.  Maybe somebody else will know if they've ever had a good hoops team.  Oh well...

It was fun to watch all the Freshmen get some playing time, and see the pool (http://www.clusports.com/news/3293/) filled with water. :)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on December 17, 2006, 11:44:23 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on December 17, 2006, 08:40:51 PM

When I walked past Lake CLU today I think I saw the periscope of the USS Virginia poke through the water. Or maybe it was Nessie in Loch CLU.

OxyBob

I'm sorry the ferry is not running yet Bob - although I've been told they'll have regular service up and running in time for the start of spring semester... ;)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fosheezie on December 18, 2006, 01:36:25 AM
Mixed emotions on the Pacific-Cal Lu game.  Not good seeing another SCIAC team lose to a NWC team, but good to see former PP assistant Jay "Frankenberry" Lowery get a win and get his program turning around.  He will soon be battling for a NWC title, you mark my words.  Too bad he didnt get a job in the SCIAC, he is a great young coach, much like the young and crafty Billy Donovan type at Cal Lu, the one and only Geoff Daines, (you hear me Redlands)! ;)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 18, 2006, 01:45:57 AM
Quote from: DIIIghetto on December 17, 2006, 07:31:09 PMCome on Hens, the conference needs you to remember that these guys don't think you could finish in the top 5 in their conference.

I doubt that the Wooster players think that. The Scots and their fans are painfully aware that the NCAC is awfully thin pickings after about the third- or fourth-place team.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pomonaalum on December 18, 2006, 11:53:43 AM
Pomona students are already on break...Rains will be even emptier than usual.  Knowles had a tough game against Wash U and their guards, will be interesting to see how he does tonight.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wooscotsfan on December 18, 2006, 11:11:27 PM
At the Half:   #1 Wooster 47  Pomona-Pitzer 27

Wooster jumped out to a quick 12-0 lead and has been in control of this game.  Devin Fulk is leading the Scots with 10 points.  Wooster made 5 three pointers in the first half and also beat the Sagehens in the paint where Tim Vandervaart scored 8 points.

GO SCOTS!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pomonaalum on December 18, 2006, 11:33:25 PM
Wooster still leads by 20, 65-45 with about 14:00 to go.  Jabarri Reynolds with 17 for Pomona-Pitzer...
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wooscotsfan on December 19, 2006, 12:04:17 AM
Final:  #1 Wooster 97  Pomona-Pitzer 77

Wooster actually led by 30 points in the 2nd half before the Sagehens cut the margin.   Wooster was led by Tom Port with 18 points, Brandon Johnson with 18 points, James Cooper with 16 points and Devin Fulk with 13 points.

Pomona-Pitzer was led by David Knowles with 22 points and Jabarri Reynolds with 21 points.

Wooster is now 9-0.   Next up is California Baptist on Wednesday.

GO SCOTS!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on December 19, 2006, 01:05:08 PM
Man, i hate to hear that pomona has not bounced back into solid form since the announcement of McCoy leaving campus. In addition, i find it hard to believe that many of the youngsters for the hens have to quickly fill spots that will help them stay on top. In saying that, IMHO, Knowles needs assistance from teammates. Chimowitz has been decent so far. But, the rest need to re-group and come out with more urgency. If not, then the hens will have to hear how the stags and tigers will be duking it out all season long for the top spot in SCIAC play.

Speaking of the tigers, Congrats to Coach Newhall and co. Great to hear that they exposed a good panther D on saturday. I hope that this is a sign that the tigers will be billed as the top team in the SCIAC. I hope that some of you guys will be attending the Cal Tech tourney this upcoming weekend. Please share some more thoughts on your teams as they get ready for holiday tourney play.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DIIIghetto on December 19, 2006, 01:50:32 PM
Bob, RFLMAO.  Result was probably to be expected but is marginally depressing nonetheless.  Yet another blown opportunity for national respect out of Claremont.  It seems like in the past couple of years we have taken strides nationally.  It has been harder and harder for me to point out that we are in the bottom-quartile of DIII hoops.  We have inched closer to the median.  The Hens loss doesn't help us.  I'm glad Kats took the game.  It shows sack.  Wooster is so good that it may not hurt us that much, unless the young Hens win the conference, in which case we will all have to live with the fact that our conference's best team isn't really competitive with the elite in DIII. 

We need somone to emerge like USC in football, which consistently makes up for the failings of other teams outside of the southland.  Oxy has shown a fearlessness against comp outside of LA.  We'll see what they can do in the Cal tech tourney.  As I have pointed out earlier, I haven't noticed a sense of urgency coming out of Hersey West this year yet.   CMS, the frontrunner, has played well but chosen to play their best games against southland NAIA teams.   Playing pre-season tough NAIA southland teams is the cheapest way for the SCIAC to play tough teams but nothing is better than grabbing as many of the snowbirds coming out to enjoy the sunshine as possible.     
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciacguru on December 19, 2006, 05:40:55 PM
Quote from: DIIIghetto on December 19, 2006, 01:50:32 PM
Result was probably to be expected but is marginally depressing nonetheless.  Yet another blown opportunity for national respect out of Claremont.  It seems like in the past couple of years we have taken strides nationally.  It has been harder and harder for me to point out that we are in the bottom-quartile of DIII hoops.  We have inched closer to the median.  The Hens loss doesn't help us.  I'm glad Kats took the game.  It shows sack.  Wooster is so good that it may not hurt us that much, unless the young Hens win the conference, in which case we will all have to live with the fact that our conference's best team isn't really competitive with the elite in DIII. 

We need somone to emerge like USC in football, which consistently makes up for the failings of other teams outside of the southland.  Oxy has shown a fearlessness against comp outside of LA.  We'll see what they can do in the Cal tech tourney.  As I have pointed out earlier, I haven't noticed a sense of urgency coming out of Hersey West this year yet.   CMS, the frontrunner, has played well but chosen to play their best games against southland NAIA teams.   Playing pre-season tough NAIA southland teams is the cheapest way for the SCIAC to play tough teams but nothing is better than grabbing as many of the snowbirds coming out to enjoy the sunshine as possible.    

I dont think Kats really had a choice in the matter since the Wooster president is a Pomona alumnus and former Sagehen Dean (great research OxyBob).  I have a feeling he had to schedule that game regardless.

And after speaking with the Cal Lu assistant, who was there, the SCIAC should schedule more GSAC schools as it looked like Wooster would beat most if not all the GSAC schools......5 of which are ranked in the top 25.

I heard about that bagpipe player....nice touch for the SCOTS....but I heard he played at centercourt during warmups for the 2nd half.  AT CENTERCOURT!  I dont think the Kingsmen faithful would have allowed that guy to to do that on the CLU especially in a kilt!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 19, 2006, 06:16:33 PM
Quote from: DIIIghetto on December 19, 2006, 01:50:32 PM
Oxy has shown a fearlessness against comp outside of LA.  We'll see what they can do in the Cal tech tourney.     

Noticed Oxy is scheduled to play Wisconsin Lutheran in the Cal-Tech holiday tournament. This poster has a bit of info on Wisconsin Lutheran. The Warriors' best all around player is a 6-8 F-C Brian Hagel who can hit the 3 and crash the boards.  WLC's coach has no problem going deep into his bench. Several Warrior players can hit the 3, but they also have some guys who can crash the boards and give inside scoring punch. To this point they've generally run the half-court offense more than a fast-break but they'll take whatever's given them. They have a balanced scoring attack. WLC had a near-miss (9-point loss) earlier this season against Aurora IL when Aurora was ranked in the Top 25. Barring an unforeseen development. it should be an interesting game. (WLC is 4-1 in their conference, some 1 or 2 games over .500 overall.)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DIIIghetto on December 21, 2006, 05:22:16 PM
I would think that the loss by Wooster to Cal Baptist helps CMS in the national relevance debate.  It reminds the rest of the country, GS excluded, about how tough the GSAC is.  Cal Baptist easily could finish 3 or 4 in that conference.  I don't want to make too much out of it because each game is different but Oxy and CMS have played teams well who have either beaten or lost to Cal Baptist by the same margin Wooster did.  That doesn't matter for much, only to say that SCIAC teams at the top can give GSAC teams competitive games, much like Wooster did.  I'm not quite sure how PP played Biola close and got absolutely destroyed by Wooster at home, unless Biola is down - which would be surprising.  Reports I got were that PP was seriously outmatched from the opening tip and went down huge immediately.  Hard to understand that happening on the home floor of Kats, even if nobody but parents were in the crowd.   

WL alum.  Hope your squad is bringing out the dance squad to Cal tech.  That would certainly quadruple attendance from the Beaver students, even during break.  Sounds like you guys have a good team.  Should be a good game.  Oxy is still a big question mark for the conference this season.  The Cal tech tournament will serve as a significant measuring stick for the Tigers.  Those of us who saw Oxy play your conference rival a couple of years ago in the tourney have had a lingering question: has your guard recovered from his broken ankle by Song? We were worried about that guy and want him to know that he is in good company -  Song is breaking ankles playing professionally in Germany. 

Having said that, enjoy your trip out to LA.  Tell the boys to pack some t-shirts.   



Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 21, 2006, 08:51:11 PM
I take it you're referring to the 2003 matchup in which Oxy knocked off Aurora 80-61. Wisconsin Lutheran and Aurora weren't in the same conference until just this season. This poster would hope the injured player you referred to is doing OK. (We're talking some 3 1/2 years after the fact--it would have had to have been one heck of a blow or series of blows for the player not to have recovered by now).  :-X :-\ :-X :-\ :-X :-\ :-X :-\
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 22, 2006, 09:09:52 AM
Quote from: DIIIghetto on December 21, 2006, 05:22:16 PM
I would think that the loss by Wooster to Cal Baptist helps CMS in the national relevance debate.  It reminds the rest of the country, GS excluded, about how tough the GSAC is.

Exactly.

Quote from: DIIIghetto on December 21, 2006, 05:22:16 PMThose of us who saw Oxy play your conference rival a couple of years ago in the tourney have had a lingering question: has your guard recovered from his broken ankle by Song? We were worried about that guy and want him to know that he is in good company

Wow. Talk about a reach.  :D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on December 22, 2006, 06:48:45 PM
If all fingers point to a good match up tonight between the tigers and Wisconsin Lutheran, i sure hope that we all learn that Oxy is for real. Although, it sounds like there might be some doubt, the boys in Orange and black will do everything possible to leave all doubts on the hardwood floor. Not only that i am sure the tigers are coming in confident after playing against a decent Defense that Chapman had been using against other good teams. In saying that, I hope that for those of you who are attending the game at Cal Tech will witness an up and coming tiger team will beat a lot of SCIAc teams this year. Look for Betty, witman, kostic, Fry, pitcher and alexander to be the force of the team during the Cal Tech Tourney. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DIIIghetto on December 22, 2006, 07:49:23 PM
GS, you are right....a reach, but the single most entertaining play I have seen in over 500 D3 games.  Helped that the gym was overflow crowd and Song is 5'7".
Hopefully, someone in the sciac will bring more "moments". 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on December 23, 2006, 10:45:10 PM
Bob,

The excitement did get to me. Really thought the game would be this week. Thanks for clearing that up.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 29, 2006, 09:39:31 PM
Whatever was ailing in Oxy's game must have been cured. Final:  Oxy 90, Wisconsin Lutheran 63. (This poster's eating crow again).  ::) ;) ;)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 30, 2006, 06:53:07 AM
Heck, Caltech may  beat WLC if the Warriors haven't gotten over Oxy's royal shellacking.  :o ??? :o ??? :o ??? :) ;) ;) :D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 30, 2006, 02:28:55 PM
Ugh -- are you serious about the PA?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: callufan on December 31, 2006, 05:50:38 AM
I have been associated with California Lutheran University in one repsect or another for over 20 years and have really enjoyed attending all athletic events at CLU.  I also have enjoyed reading the many posts here on D3hoops.  The forum is great, allowing fans to post intelligent responses, and show their enthusiasm for the true student athlete at the Division III level.  I usually bypass the negative comments that are posted by over zealous fans that either have a lack of knowledge or are just too emotional toward thier respective teams.  But I must respond to the latest post(s).

OxyBob......I have truly enjoyed reading all your posts in regards to SCIAC basketball and informing us fans on all the happenings that go along with those teams.  I too, attended the Thrivent tournament at CLU, and was a bit taken back by the PA's unique style (or lack there of).  But like you normally do.....I did a little research to find out why this was happening.

After speaking with the administrator on duty (Asst AD), the regular announcer was out of town due to the Christmas break.....as he is a student.  The young man who was announcing, also an undergraduate student, was asked to be the replacement on very short notice.  Due to his lack of experience (this was his first time), the Asst AD asked that he keep it simple until he felt more comfortable with the common responses.

Tonight he did a stellar job for both games.  I left after just a few minutes of the championship game between Bethany and Willamette....but his announcing for the CLU/MSOE game was very good and professional.

Oxybob..you seem to be a very passionate poster, but in turn, seem to be very critical as well.  I am sorry that CLU did not offer the perfect setting for you to watch a basketball game.  I do know that the young men and women that are working the events are trying their absolute best, and would very much like to emulate the most professional atmosphere possible.  I just wish you would have done your normal research before lambasting the young man.

Best of luck to all the SCIAC teams.  Happy New Year to all.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 31, 2006, 06:20:26 AM
As a former athletic administrator, I would not have put someone behind the mic and told them to do so little. It only takes about five minutes of instruction to train someone to do the bare minimum. Like it or not, the PA announcer is the voice of your athletic department during those games and that is what people take away from the event.

Research isn't necessary, just observation. After a couple of minutes of warmup it should not have been too much to ask for the PA announcer to find a name on a sheet and announce it. Otherwise, yes, what's the point of restating the obvious -- the number of the person who scored is plain to anyone watching.

OxyBob may be outspoken, but he's correct here.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciacguru on December 31, 2006, 03:32:29 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 31, 2006, 06:20:26 AM
Otherwise, yes, what's the point of restating the obvious.......

Kind of like signing your handle at the end of every post, when its already posted in the upper left corner.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 31, 2006, 05:17:43 PM
MSOE had an 8-2 record going into that weekend tournament. If that squad wasn't on provisional status in NathCon, it would be right up there with Aurora and all the other leaders. The Raiders very well should have made the NCAA tournament last season. They did beat LMC 2005-06 NCAA tournament rep WLC twice last season.

This poster's .04.


Final just in:  WLC 117, Cal Tech 57.  :) ;) :D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on December 31, 2006, 09:33:58 PM
Just wanted to verify the Oxy score...

Oxy 78
Williams 65

is what I heard...is that correct?

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 31, 2006, 09:43:28 PM
It would not surprise me -- Williams doesn't appear to be up to its usual caliber this year and a decent team should handle them on familiar territory.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Howlinwolf on December 31, 2006, 10:32:56 PM
Yup, Oxy took care of business, disposing of the Ephs on a neutral court at the Cal Tech Tourney. Williams shot remarkably well in the first half, draining three's with confidence. But Oxy's inside strength began to take its toll, and the Tigers led by two at the half. It was all Oxy in half two, with the lead fluctuating from 12-17 points from about four minutes in.

Williams isn't physical strong but they are well coached and can shoot. Oxy beat a solid team from a talented conference. That makes two consecutive years of wins for Oxy over NESCAC schools during the holidays. Not bad. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D O.C. on December 31, 2006, 10:49:54 PM
Had  to giggle at the last post across the bow of OxyBob by sciacguru.

Want to send out a get well to stoonk.

Missed all these Division III tourneys in the southland but I did get to high school ball at Chapman to find some actual players who could adapt to LINFIELD.

Happy New Year to all!



Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 01, 2007, 12:25:44 AM
Quote from: Howlinwolf on December 31, 2006, 10:32:56 PM
Yup, Oxy took care of business, disposing of the Ephs on a neutral court at the Cal Tech Tourney. Williams shot remarkably well in the first half, draining three's with confidence. But Oxy's inside strength began to take its toll, and the Tigers led by two at the half. It was all Oxy in half two, with the lead fluctuating from 12-17 points from about four minutes in.

Williams isn't physical strong but they are well coached and can shoot. Oxy beat a solid team from a talented conference. That makes two consecutive years of wins for Oxy over NESCAC schools during the holidays. Not bad. 

Not all neutral courts are the same. I don't think it's looked at as particularly neutral when one team flies all the way across the country to play on a floor it's never been to and the opponent plays at every year.

If Williams finishes in the top four of the NESCAC this year, it might be considered a bit of an upset. Beating Amherst last year was far more meaningful.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Howlinwolf on January 01, 2007, 02:06:32 AM
Agreed, familiarity with a floor can be an advantage. I referenced the neutral court because some readers may have assumed the game was played at Oxy. It wasn't.  Williams and Cal Tech tangled on Friday as game one of the tourney on the same court,  so the Ephs weren't coming into this game without some measure of court awareness and acclimation to the West Coast. And Williams "travels well," so they had a strong contigent of backers for both encounters.

I wouldn't consider this a "mild upset" even if later in the year of Williams is highly competitive in NESCAC. Oxy is the better team. I do consider a SCIAC win over a NESCAC opponent valuable and meaningful, however.   
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 01, 2007, 02:11:14 AM
No no -- I am saying that Williams finishing in the top four of the NESCAC would in and of itself be a mild upset.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on January 01, 2007, 02:24:27 AM
Well, a good win any way you look at it. 

It's nice to have beaten them and Amherst in consecutive years.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Howlinwolf on January 01, 2007, 02:11:40 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 01, 2007, 02:11:14 AM
No no -- I am saying that Williams finishing in the top four of the NESCAC would in and of itself be a mild upset.
/quote]

Gotcha, Pat. I suspect that would be the case.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hoopsallthetime on January 01, 2007, 03:59:15 PM
With Conference play upon us, what does everyone think about this years conference race. I really  believe after watching Oxy and CMS this fall, that these two teams are the front runners. With the loss of the NC-State kid, Pomona will be tough, but not tough enough to win the SCIAC Championship.  I believe the race will come down to the final game between CMS and Oxy at Ducey gym midway through the season. CMS starts with Laverne, while Oxy starts at Cal Tech. The showdown will be rocking when CMS comes to Oxy on the 13th. I think it will be a great game with two great players in the spot light. CMS Manny Maceira is an outstanding player and is putting up big numbers, and Oxy's Sam Betty will is showing his same abilities for Oxy. Look for a great game from both of these players.

What does everyone think about this season, and who will finish on top. I'm sure OXY BOB will be one-sided with Oxy on top, but can CMS repeat as SCIAC Champions? Go Stags and good luck to the rest of the SCIAC teams as well!

Here is my order of finish:
1. CMS
2. Oxy
3. Pomona
4. CLU
5. Redlands
6. Whittier
7. Laverne
8. Cal Tech
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Howlinwolf on January 01, 2007, 11:10:53 PM
Stag, I concur with your pre-season assessment. I think CMS is the team to beat based on their pre-conference results and time-tested defensive intensity. But it should be a dogfight with Oxy. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hoopsallthetime on January 02, 2007, 01:53:07 PM
OXY Bob, I think you are right. I believe that if you can protect your home court you will have a better chance of winning the conference this year. Defense I believe will help the stags in repeating as SCIAC Champions. They are holding teams to under 50 points a game due to tough hard nose defense and tremendous intensity at the defensive end. Teams like Oxy and Pomona will have a tough time scoring against this team if they continue to play defense the way they have shown. I do believe that Oxy will test the stags with outstanding shooting from the outside with Whittman and Zebb, and  we all know Betty can score inside the paint when he wants to. I watched them play against a great team in Williams College at Cal Tech, and Oxy has a lot of potential. Great shooters will make it tough for the rest of the conference. My only question is this. Can Oxy score on a defense like the Stags? We will have to see.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DIIIghetto on January 02, 2007, 02:58:16 PM
Here is to the Tigers for once again representing the conference well outside of the Southland.  CMS scheduled soft outside of a few tough NAIA teams and that should wind up hurting them again.  With the likes of Williams, Wooster, St. Thomas, Whitman and Puget Sound travelling to the southland this winter, it is a little baffling that CMS did not find a way to try to show the nation that they deserve more respect.  As it stands, I would say that Oxy deserves more votes for being a top 20 team.  I would put CMS and Oxy neck and neck.  I'm not sure I would put CMS in front of Oxy because Oxy won 2 out of 3 very close games between them last year. 

Pomona will also be in it, if only because nobody prepares better for conference foes than Kats.  PP could easily split with both Oxy and CMS.  Besides, CMS sweeping PP two years in a row would be like Redlands holding someone to under 50 points in a game. 



Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on January 02, 2007, 04:49:16 PM
I haven't had a chance to watch many teams outside of CLU.  Based on last year's play and the early results this year I concur with what most of you have said thus far - so I too will go with the popular top four of:
1) CMS
2) Oxy
3) PP
4) CLU

I give CMS a slight edge based on their overall toughness.  Oxy was obviously a strong team last year and they have many folks back - please tell me Betty's a senior this year  ;)  Should be fun to watch them duke it out.  PP is always tough of course, but my sense right now is that they'll have a hard time splitting with both Oxy and CMS - which they'll have to do in order to challenge for the title.

I'd love to see the Kingsmen finish higher than fourth but I think they're a year away at this point.  I've enjoyed watching the youngsters play, and I think the future is bright.  CLU could play a big role in the conference race by challenging the top three at home in the new Gilbert center, I just wish all three games weren't so close together.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hoopsallthetime on January 02, 2007, 05:34:09 PM
Quote from: DIIIghetto on January 02, 2007, 02:58:16 PM
Here is to the Tigers for once again representing the conference well outside of the Southland.  CMS scheduled soft outside of a few tough NAIA teams and that should wind up hurting them again.  With the likes of Williams, Wooster, St. Thomas, Whitman and Puget Sound travelling to the southland this winter, it is a little baffling that CMS did not find a way to try to show the nation that they deserve more respect.


I guess games against Concordia, Westmont, and Point Loma are considered soft teams to the likes of teams around the SCIAC. If I remember right, when CMS played Westmont they were ranked 14th in the Nation, and Concordia ranked 10th.  I understand that Oxy played the likes of Williams and St. Thomas, and they are great games to get Oxy ready for the conference as well as give them national exposure. CMS does it a different way. Yes, it may not seem conventional to everyone else because they are not playing division 3 opponents, but the GSAC Conference is a very tough conference year in and year out, and really provided the stags with the toughness they need to prepare for conference play. I would like to see the Stags play more division 3 opponents, but Coach Scalmanini likes playing GSAC schools, because it prepares his team in a different way. Why do you think the stag defense is so tough year in and year out. It's because of the level of play that the GSAC offers, with games being more physical.

Let me also remind you that if CMS wouldn't have gotten screwed with having to play Oxy in the first round at Oxy, the 2 out of 3 games probably would have been different outcomes, with CMS playing at home where they didn't lose during conference play. I know last year is over, but let's not forget CMS defeated Oxy and everyone else at home to win the conference championship last year. 13-1 in conference play in tough to do.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DIIIghetto on January 03, 2007, 02:51:04 PM
Stag, you have to let that stuff from last year go.  Your boys did not get the home game because they did not earn it outside of the conference and Oxy did last year.  I don't think that Oxy's pre-season performances would get them the same result this year (notably the St. Thomas game in the tent would hurt them there), but it may (depending on how Williams does).  If CMS doesn't want that even to be a consideration, they should not run from the DIII teams that come out for the holidays.  LaVerne & Whittier don't.  Oxy never has.  And PP stepped up to the plate in a big way this year.  Short of running to Salem, the only way to garner national respect for your program is to schedule some of those games and win some of them.  This year, with so many quality DIII teams in LA (might add that I missed Mississippi College & J Hopkins also made it out this winter), it must have been a huge disappointment to CMS fans to see so many of CMS's rivals step up to the plate and take those games. 

On your GSAC comment.  Knowledgeable folks agree that it is a tough, tough conference.  Wooster clearly just found that out.  The SCIAC has been scheduling games with that conference for years; mostly because it is convenient, cost-effective scheduling.   Smarter folks than me can comment on those games but I don't think that a W against a Westmont would turn any heads outside of the SCIAC, whereas a W against a Wooster or St. Thomas would.     

Good luck against Chapman.  The SCIAC needs you to win that game, one of your few non-conference decent DIII games this year. 

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on January 03, 2007, 04:07:00 PM
Quote from: DIIIghetto on January 03, 2007, 02:51:04 PM
On your GSAC comment.  Knowledgeable folks agree that it is a tough, tough conference.  Wooster clearly just found that out.  The SCIAC has been scheduling games with that conference for years; mostly because it is convenient, cost-effective scheduling.   Smarter folks than me can comment on those games but I don't think that a W against a Westmont would turn any heads outside of the SCIAC, whereas a W against a Wooster or St. Thomas would.

A win against Westmont may not turn many heads outside the SCIAC, but it would turn many of the right ones.  The real problem is that it doesn't turn any heads in Indianapolis; but then again, with the current regional definitions, wins against the likes of Wooster, Williams, Johns Hopkins, or Mississippi College count the same as wins against Westmont, Biola, or Asuzu Pacific.  [St. Thomas, however, is another story, as that is an in-region game for the entire SCIAC.]

As far as Wooster learning about the GSAC, I think I can assure you that the Scots' coaches are well aware of the toughness of that conference.  Cal Baptist is the fourth NAIA team in Wooster's schedule, and the others were all ranked at the time Wooster played them.  Wooster clearly has learned of the virtues of playing tough, athletic NAIA squads, and I'm certain that's why Cal Baptist appeared on the schedule instead of, say, Redlands.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Titan Q on January 03, 2007, 04:21:21 PM
Having been to Westmont's Tom Byron Classic with Illinois Wesleyan in 1996-97, 2001-02, and 2005-06, wins over Westmont College certainly get my attention.  That is a strong NAIA D1 program with a good coach.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hoopsallthetime on January 03, 2007, 06:58:26 PM
Quote from: DIIIghetto on January 03, 2007, 02:51:04 PM
On your GSAC comment.  Knowledgeable folks agree that it is a tough, tough conference.  Wooster clearly just found that out.  The SCIAC has been scheduling games with that conference for years; mostly because it is convenient, cost-effective scheduling.   Smarter folks than me can comment on those games but I don't think that a W against a Westmont would turn any heads outside of the SCIAC, whereas a W against a Wooster or St. Thomas would.     

Good luck against Chapman.  The SCIAC needs you to win that game, one of your few non-conference decent DIII games this year. 



Your right Ghetto, I guess a win against a team like Westmont wouldnt turn any heads. Are u crazy! Westmont is one of the top 3 teams in the GSAC this year with a win already against Asuza Pacific at home. Last time I looked Azusa was 3rd in the Nation.  Sure playing division III teams would probably help the stags get national attention in Indianapolis, but here in Southern California I believe playing teams in the GSAC should honor the attention as well. Defeating the teams out of the GSAC is a tough thing to do, and I would like to see how some of the teams around the SCIAC would play. If I remember right, Laverne got beat by almost 50 to Point Loma. So that isnt saying much.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 04, 2007, 12:12:12 AM
That's funny -- I just told one of the Mississippi College people who was asking about the poll that I didn't really care much about the win against Johns Hopkins but beating Westmont on the road was quite impressive.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TeeDub on January 04, 2007, 11:14:23 AM
Quote from: David Collinge on January 03, 2007, 04:07:00 PM
Wooster clearly has learned of the virtues of playing tough, athletic NAIA squads, and I'm certain that's why Cal Baptist appeared on the schedule instead of, say, Redlands.

E tu, Brute?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DIIIghetto on January 04, 2007, 12:55:12 PM
Collinge, thanks for the info.  Although, since your Scots experienced the GSAC first-hand this year, you have more knowledge than most.  PC, GS and others who really follow college hoops understand the GSAC better than a majority of the rest of the country.   

Stag, your team lost to Westmont, so it doesn't make too much sense for us to debate the value of beating them.  Playing good teams from the GSAC closely but losing is only as good for a team as a coach can convince his players to look past the loss and understand that it made them better.  Playing the GSAC is not a substitute for playing elite DIII caliber teams.  Never, ever.  The budget reasons that drive the scheduling of most of those games didn't seem to be in play this year, where CMS could have picked from a number of quality DIII opponents who recently travelled to the southland (Missippi College, J. Hopkins, St. Thomas, Puget Sound, Wooster, Williams).   How can a W over a Williams or an Amherst always not be better than a close game with a Cal Baptist or a Westmont?  Are the latter schools competitive with Claremont, Harvey Mudd or Scripps in anything outside of sports? 

Pat, I'm glad you noted the impressiveness of Mississippi College's W over Westmont.  Nobody else seemed to pick up on it.  None of the fans in the ASC seemed to care about that.   MC got some front page mention for beating Hopkins, but nothing for bringing down a tough NAIA team.  Maybe that is because Hopkins has a better SID.  Or maybe it is because few people outside of the core hoop fans have an understanding of how good Westmont is.   
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 04, 2007, 01:14:16 PM
Quote from: DIIIghetto on January 04, 2007, 12:55:12 PM
Pat, I'm glad you noted the impressiveness of Mississippi College's W over Westmont.  Nobody else seemed to pick up on it.  None of the fans in the ASC seemed to care about that.   MC got some front page mention for beating Hopkins, but nothing for bringing down a tough NAIA team.  Maybe that is because Hopkins has a better SID.  Or maybe it is because few people outside of the core hoop fans have an understanding of how good Westmont is. 

DIIIghetto, actually we had a few comments on the ASC site when MissColl won, but for us in the ASC, it was a "dog bites man" story.

We know that Miss College is good.  Their style of play matches very well against the style of play in the ASC.  The ASC-West has been the tougher division top-to-bottom until the development of UT-Dallas in the last 2 1/2 years.  MissCollege will cruise thru the East, host the post-season tourney most years, and then earn a bid.

The Choctaws then get to the Sweet 16 and lose, usually by playing a style of ball that the Great Lakes teams are very well suited to defend, IMHO.  I think that MissColl fans and I have had this disagreement about the style of ball that gets the ASC representative deepest in the tourney: a faster paced, Nolan Richardson "40 minutes of hell" style (McMurry Elite 8 in 2000/Sweet 16 in 2001 and Sul Ross State Sweet 16 in 2004 which lost in OT to Lawrence which lost in OT to national champ UW-SP on a neutral floor) versus the Miss College half court, tenacious defense "exhaust the shot clock" style.

If the Westmont win boosts the reputation of the conference, then great.  Finally! :)

(That McMurry 2000 team beat Pomona-Pitzer 111-76, after P-P had defeated a #9 Trinity on the road in the first round.)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 04, 2007, 01:23:21 PM
Quote from: DIIIghetto on January 04, 2007, 12:55:12 PM

Pat, I'm glad you noted the impressiveness of Mississippi College's W over Westmont.  Nobody else seemed to pick up on it.  None of the fans in the ASC seemed to care about that.   MC got some front page mention for beating Hopkins, but nothing for bringing down a tough NAIA team.  Maybe that is because Hopkins has a better SID.  Or maybe it is because few people outside of the core hoop fans have an understanding of how good Westmont is.   


Yeah -- the night MC played Westmont I had a Division I upset to deal with, a D3hoopsNet broadcast game to call and needed to catch a 6:46 a.m. flight out of Canton/Akron back home. I had to cut the front-page work off so I could make my 4:30 wake-up call.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on January 04, 2007, 08:17:45 PM
Quote from: DIIIghetto on January 04, 2007, 12:55:12 PM
Collinge, thanks for the info.  Although, since your Scots experienced the GSAC first-hand this year, you have more knowledge than most.  PC, GS and others who really follow college hoops understand the GSAC better than a majority of the rest of the country.
Every small college conference is relatively little-known outside its home region, ghetto, but I think you are overplaying your hand.  First, I have known about the GSAC since at least 2000 when Calvin came out and played Asuzu and Biola.  I attended Westmont's holiday tournament last year, when Illinois Wesleyan and Puget Sound played in Santa Barbara.  It didn't just come to my attention when "my Scots" played Cal Baptist.  I'm no GSAC expert by any stretch, but I am aware that there is very good basketball played in that league.  I think it's safe to say that there's more people in Ohio who have at least heard of the GSAC and/or its teams than there are people in LA who are familiar with the OAC.

Second, I don't think you should gauge national reaction by checking what's said in the ASC room, or any online fan forum for that matter.  For starters, Johns Hopkins has a far higher degree of name recognition than Westmont College.  Add to that the JHU was ranked in the D3Hoops.com poll, within two places of Mississippi College, so beating them is going to look like a much bigger cap-feather than beating an NAIA team they know little or nothing about.  But third, the great majority of us in these rooms are just fans.  The opinion leaders, however, are quite familiar with Westmont, and as several of us have suggested, those people were suitably impressed with MC's ability to go to Santa Barbara and beat Westmont.  Heck, Pat and Titan Q are two of the most prominent supporters of D3 hoops in the country, and they've both said in here that they are impressed by a victory at Westmont.

Third, Mississippi College moved up 49 points (i.e., the equivalent of two positions on the average voter's ballot) and moved into the top 10 this week, and I am certain that the voters weighed the win over Westmont at least as heavily (if not more so) than their blowout of JHU.

Quote from: DIIIghetto on January 04, 2007, 12:55:12 PMMC got some front page mention for beating Hopkins, but nothing for bringing down a tough NAIA team.  Maybe that is because Hopkins has a better SID.  Or maybe it is because few people outside of the core hoop fans have an understanding of how good Westmont is.
There's just one front page to this site.  Wins by top 10 D3 teams over good NAIA teams are impressive, but generally not newsworthy enough to make the front page.  Just ask Wooster, who beat a NAIA-I top ten team (Georgetown) and two NAIA-II top ten teams (Walsh, Cedarville) without making the front page.

Quote from: DIIIghetto on January 04, 2007, 12:55:12 PMPlaying the GSAC is not a substitute for playing elite DIII caliber teams.  Never, ever. 
One good reason to play a Westmont instead of a CMS or Oxy is that the GSAC teams tend to be taller and more athletic than even the elite D3 teams.  It provides good experience for an ambitious D3 program to play against that calibre of athlete from time to time.  It's not unlike the discussion on the Daily Dose (http://www.d3hoops.com/dailydose/) regarding the use of male practice players by women's teams.  As explained by Vassar coach Barb Bausch, there's a lot to be gained by making the practice sessions "more competitive than what the opponent can give."  The same goes for teams preparing for the postseason by playing the toughest, most athletic teams they can schedule.

Anyway, first you argue that beating a GSAC team should receive more recognition because the GSAC is so good, and then you argue that teams should schedule "elite DIII caliber teams" instead of GSAC teams?   ???
Title: Rose Bowl Float
Post by: Gray Fox on January 04, 2007, 11:43:31 PM
I was in Southern California over New Years.

Nobody has mentioned the nice U of Redlands float in the Rose Parade.  They also got some good PR (at least on Channel 5).
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 05, 2007, 12:24:13 AM
Wooster/Georgetown was on the front: http://www.d3hoops.com/news.php?date=2006-11-29
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pineconefan on January 05, 2007, 01:27:39 AM
Whitman's Kyle Born scored 53 points at Redlands on Wednesday night.  I imagine many of you SCIAC watchers have seen your teams/players put up big numbers against UR since the Bulldogs went with their "system."  Anyone know how many of the SCIAC schools have had their individual single game scoring records broken in games against Redlands?

You can see my own editorial comments about Born's 53 points on the NWC site, but I am interested in the opinions of those who see Redlands regularly.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on January 05, 2007, 02:12:22 AM
Quote from: pineconefan on January 05, 2007, 01:27:39 AM
Whitman's Kyle Born scored 53 points at Redlands on Wednesday night.  I imagine many of you SCIAC watchers have seen your teams/players put up big numbers against UR since the Bulldogs went with their "system."  Anyone know how many of the SCIAC schools have had their individual single game scoring records broken in games against Redlands?

You can see my own editorial comments about Born's 53 points on the NWC site, but I am interested in the opinions of those who see Redlands regularly.

Redlands won 153-149 to improve to 6-3. Here is the link for the game recap.

http://www.redlandsdailyfacts.com/sports
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on January 05, 2007, 11:52:31 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 05, 2007, 12:24:13 AM
Wooster/Georgetown was on the front: http://www.d3hoops.com/news.php?date=2006-11-29

Oh, I thought DIIIghetto was talking about the lead story, not just a mention in the body of the story. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: old_hooper on January 05, 2007, 12:08:31 PM
John Moore is an excellent coach for the Warriors.  Always has his teams competitive.  he is also the brother in law to former UCLA head coach Steve Lavin.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DIIIghetto on January 05, 2007, 01:06:02 PM
My point got missed somewhere, lost in the hypothetical.  The shots I take at CMS are only because as our front runner this year, we need them out advancing our reputation nationally.  No GSAC victory would ever substitute there for beating a Wooster or top-ranked Amherst.  Not because the GSAC teams wouldn't be top 10 DIII teams, but because, those aren't as widely recognizable games.  Collinge, I'll put you in the PC and GS camp as having a DIII/NAIA knowledge in the 99.9th percentile of the country.  It also seems pretty obvious to me, having watched the SCIAC teams play the GSAC for years, that a SCIAC team has a better chance of beating a top 10 DIII team than they do a tough GSAC opponent.   Put another way, our chances couldn't be any worse.  We just don't win many of those games.  Nor really, should we.   But CMS, Oxy and Pomona, those schools and their Admins should care whether they are competitive with schools like Amherst, Williams and Hopkins.  We should be scheduling as many of those games as we can.   Why should we just have one SCIAC team in the top 20 consideration set?  Why not 2, heck, why not 3. 

Getting folks to care in the southland and in a historically deep bottom-tier hoops conference is no easy task.  The SCIAC post season record is horrendous.  Better scheduling (ala, find ways to get our best teams playing as good DIII competition as we can) is a part of what is needed to flip this thing on its head.

By the way, did the NWC duck the top 3 in the SCIAC this year or was it the other way around?  Maybe Whitworth's losing to PP and Oxy last year had an impact on that.  Folks from the NWC, I would think that as the West Coast's dominant conference you guys would never make a trip south without looking for some games with Oxy, PP or the Stags.  And don't sleep on CLU with the new gym.   

PineCone, some of us are boycotting discussing, as OB puts it, "the travelling freakshow". 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: old_hooper on January 05, 2007, 01:22:30 PM
DIIIgetto, you do make good points.  The problem as you well know the SCIAC is the only D3 show within 700 or 800 miles.  It would be great to see one of the schools with the great facility to have its own preseason invitational that brings in 16 teams from D3 around the country and have a tournament.  The east coast teams would love to come to CA in Dec or Jan.  This could be an annual event that would not only be good for the SCIAC but also D3 that would bring answers to the team/talent desparity that is presumed by the critics of D3 basketball.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on January 05, 2007, 01:27:30 PM
I guess I don't understand who you want to impress, ghetto.  It's probably true that I am in the 99.9th percentile of D3/NAIA knowledge in the country, but that's only because 98% of the country is at knowledge level zero, and nothing a SCIAC team does is likely to change that. 

If you're looking at national respect, and you limit yourself to people who have the least idea who Westmont or Occidental or Wooster are in the first place, there's basically two target audiences: those in the know, like Pat, Titan Q, and the other poll voters, and the general hoi polloi in these chat rooms.  While it may be true that the rank and file chatroom denizens would be more impressed with a victory over Wooster than one over Westmont, I'm not sure you should care what they think.  Most of them are just college students that are only interested in what happens to their team and maybe their conference.  On the other hand, the cognoscenti are definitely as impressed with good performances against GSAC teams as against ranked D3 teams.

If you're looking for local respect, first I'd suggest that this whole conversation shows that the SCIAC posters know all about the GSAC and are impressed when a SCIAC team puts up a good game against one.  I would also suggest that CMS vs. Westmont is roughly twice as likely to draw media attention as Pomona vs. Wooster (although I recognize that 2 x 0 = 0).  I don't recall reading anything in the Times about Oxy's victory over Amherst last year.

You're looking at a very small target audience when you try to improve your national reputation.  The very best thing you can do in that regard is win in the NCAA tournament, and playing Biola may be more effective towards that goal than playing Johns Hopkins.  Short of that, if you play and beat tough opponents you'll impress the people you want/need to impress, and it doesn't matter (much) to them if those tough opponents are NCAA D3 or NAIA D1.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DIIIghetto on January 05, 2007, 04:31:05 PM
Old_hopp, that is a great suggestion.  Maybe with Cal Lu's new facility they will step to the plate and try to bring in some DIII horses.  Pomona could do the same.  Actually, a nice facility is helpful but we probably need more is some corporate/booster sponsorship so we can continue to offer something enticing to schools we want out here. 

Collinge, with a comment like  "[t]very best thing you can do in that regard is win in the NCAA tournament" I have to move you down a couple of points on the DIII knowledge scale.  Your patronage, nonetheless, is appreciated. You've missed a fair amout of the debate here, but we had our conference champ last year, be sent to the runner up to play the first round game last year.  It is a sore point for Stag fans, who had a heck of a conference run last year and a non-conference schedule that most SCIAC teams stick with (that is, a few good GSAC games, a couple of DIII snowbirds, and your usual easy Ws against the west coast christian schools).  Oxy, on the other hand, had their usual D1 L, coupled with the GSAC game and the Ws against the religious schools, but they brought in two tough DIII opponents to their tournament and got Ws.

Oxy got the bid, the home game and the W against the Stags.  CMS was so upset that it went out and ducked Wooster, Williams, Mississippi College, Hopkins, St. Thomas and UPS (granted, UPS may have ducked them :-)).  I don't think I have ever seen so many good DIII teams show up in the southland for games. 

Fighting to get the SCIAC's big 3, CMS, PP & CLU, to think beyond the fishbowl and to the national scene has been a challege.  I'll bet CMS will start to step up next year on these games, like PP did this year.  They clearly have the resources to.  Nobody really cares at any of these campuses either way, and that is a problem, although granted, not unique at DIII institutions.  My view is that taking whippings to schools in your academic comp set is more likely to rattle feathers in an apathetic admin than taking whippings from Azuza Pacific or Concordia, which we have been doing for years. 

And we definitely need to rattle some institutional feathers to do what you suggest, "win in the NCAA tournament."  While at least someone at Williams, Amherst and Wooster think that athletic goal is within reach, I'm not sure it every comes up in Hersey Park West, Claremont or Thousand Oaks.   





Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on January 05, 2007, 04:33:27 PM
Since we have a number of visiting cognoscenti in the room, I was just wondering if CLU's win over Messiah, last year's MACC co-champ, means anything on the national scene.

The write up (http://www.clusports.com/news/3321/) on the CLU website makes it sound like the Kingsmen played some of their best ball of the season during the second half.

And Bob, you may be of the SCIAC hoi polloi - but if so you are their modern day Voltaire  ;)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on January 05, 2007, 06:38:41 PM
Thanks for the history lesson, ghetto.  It might interest you to know that I was in LA most of last season and attended a bunch of games at Oxy and Cal Tech last year, and was fully aware of what happened at the end of the year.  I've been following SCIAC ball to one degree or another (and posting in this room) since Oxy's "Salem Pavers" run several years ago (in fact, I attended the Aurora playoff game.)  That Oxy playoff run did more for the credibility of the conference outside the Southland than any holiday tournaments could ever have done; it's too bad the conference hasn't been able to build on that momentum.

Your insights on making the colleges' administrations think like champions are interesting, and something I'd not considered.  Thanks.  :)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DIIIghetto on January 05, 2007, 08:40:26 PM
DC, I just moved you back up on the scale.  Between watching games at Westmont, Cal tech & Oxy, I'm not sure whether you are a parent, coach, or fan, but you definitely fall in there as someone who has seen some good small school hoops (CT excluded).  You write so well, what can we do to get you to write up some of these games?  I'm not sure the SID position at any SCIAC school is anything other than a PT, volunteer position.   OB and I will treat you to a beer and a burrito in Hersey Park West, a burger in Pasadena, some wings in Claremont, or as many double-doubles as you can eat!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on January 05, 2007, 10:29:21 PM
Don't hate on the Beavers!   :)  I loved going over to Pasadena to watch them play.  I have a lot of admiration for those student-athletes, and I hope they take down Bard and get off the schneid.

Thanks for the offer, but I'm spending the winter in Ohio and don't expect to darken any SCIAC doors this season.  As much as I like double-doubles (monster style), I'll have to settle for fried Trail bologna sandwiches this season.  :)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on January 06, 2007, 12:21:46 AM
Old Hooper,

Good Idea!  All eight SCIAC teams could play if they wanted.  They could get eight other top teams from various regions.  This might even get some ink in the Times. (Might as well dream Big). ::)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 07, 2007, 09:38:40 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 07, 2007, 01:49:29 AM
Donald Fagen and Walter Becker will surely not be taking the Wolverine up to Annandale after this loss.


This poster doesn't think they'll be playing "Time Out of Mind" for that squad, either.  :-X :-X
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Raptormania! on January 07, 2007, 10:34:23 AM
Congratulations, Cal Tech, on breaking through. I've seen the other side of that, and it's a spectacular feeling to come up with the victory.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: buck14 on January 07, 2007, 01:00:57 PM
Robert Morris and OXY was a very competitive game. Both teams had the streaks of amazing shooting. OXY just outplayed RMC in the final 2 minutes. The 7 players RMC has is the roster for the rest of the season, but they can compete with a lot of teams.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pineconefan on January 07, 2007, 03:07:42 PM
Congrats to Coach Dow and Caltech for last night's win.  Heres to hoping for a SCIAC win or two to go with it this year.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dawg gone it on January 07, 2007, 03:56:50 PM
Congrats to Cal Tech...I was on the losing end of one of "those streaks" at a d3 school for one year and its no fun.  Way to go Beavers.....next the SCIAC??? ;)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on January 07, 2007, 04:08:31 PM
Cal Tech on the front page of D3hoops.com...and then I navigate to Yahoo.com and find this link as the Featured news story! 

http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaab/news?slug=ap-caltechwins&prov=ap&type=lgns



The SCIAC gets some national print.  Great job Beavers!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on January 07, 2007, 04:18:06 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 07, 2007, 01:49:29 AM
and Coach Dow emptied his bench.

This may be even better than the win itself.

We need to get everyone involved to get a woman on Mars.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 07, 2007, 05:03:46 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 07, 2007, 01:14:13 PM
buck14:

>>Robert Morris and OXY was a very competitive game<<

Here's the game write-up from the Pasadena Star-News:

Whitman's 27 Lift Occidental (http://www.pasadenastarnews.com/sports/ci_4965452)

Also, here's the game write-up about Caltech's win over Bard, courtesy of CSTV:


OxyBob

Sheesh -- what was wrong with the writeup on the front page of D3hoops.com that you had to send people to the AP rehash at CSTV??

If you're going to send someone to a story, at least use the NBCSports.com story -- they bothered to get some quotes of their own rather than paste AP. :)

http://www.nbcsports.com/sports/799987/detail.html
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on January 07, 2007, 05:15:56 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 07, 2007, 05:03:46 PM
If you're going to send someone to a story, at least use the NBCSports.com story -- they bothered to get some quotes of their own rather than paste AP. :)

http://www.nbcsports.com/sports/799987/detail.html

Who's this "Patrick Coleman" guy, some relative of yours?  :D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 07, 2007, 06:23:26 PM
Hence the smiley on the bothering-to-get-their-own-quotes line. :)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on January 07, 2007, 07:43:20 PM
Congrats to Cal Tech in their first win in such a long time. I am sure the were partying hard down on California Street.

Great to hear that Oxy did a fine job against a good and strong Rob. morris team at the rock. I suspect that the strange weather that we are getting out here in So.Cal is affecting the play of these out state teams.

Sorry to hear that the stags lost  to Chapman over the weekend. Look for them to rebound and get ready for SCIAC play.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hoopsallthetime on January 07, 2007, 08:17:48 PM
Quote from: Browneagle64 on January 07, 2007, 07:43:20 PM
Congrats to Cal Tech in their first win in such a long time. I am sure the were partying hard down on California Street.

Great to hear that Oxy did a fine job against a good and strong Rob. morris team at the rock. I suspect that the strange weather that we are getting out here in So.Cal is affecting the play of these out state teams.

Sorry to hear that the stags lost  to Chapman over the weekend. Look for them to rebound and get ready for SCIAC play.

Your information about the stags last night was wrong. The stags won impressively against Chapman 54-43. The stags played tremendous defense, showing why everyone's shot at the SCIAC title will go through Claremont. Josh Flynn Brown was held to less then 10 points, and the Chapman offense had no offense. It was a great game to watch with the stags diving for loose balls, and picking apart the Chapman defense for layups on the offensive end. The Stags start conference play against Laverne on Wednesday and then travel to Occidental on Saturday.

Congratulations to Cal Tech. What a great win, and good luck on Wednesday!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DIIIghetto on January 07, 2007, 08:19:40 PM
Bravo for the Beavers.  I predicted a few months ago that this would be the year that CT ended their SCIAC losing streak.  This W gives them some mo' but it also may hurt my prediction because nobody is going to sleep on them in conference.  They'll have to earn it.  I'm still sticking with my call.  I think they have enough talent and someone is going to get just tight enough cheeks to help them get over that conference hurdle.  

Good win for CMS.  I was worried about us hurting our cause for potentially getting two in the tourney again this year.    

Kats has his boys playing.  With that close game to Chapman, I'm putting Oxy, CMS & PP back in a dog fight for the conference.  Kats is smelling blood.  No way CMS beats them twice again.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on January 07, 2007, 09:23:43 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 07, 2007, 08:58:28 PM

Gray Fox:

>>We need to get everyone involved to get a woman on Mars.<<

According to the book by Dr. John Gray, women already have Venus. I have no problem if women come to Mars, as long as they're tall, blonde, in bikinis, and bring along ice-cold six-packs and tasty submarine sandwiches.

OxyBob

I believe women are FROM Venus. You'll have to trick them into bringing the beer. ;)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on January 08, 2007, 12:51:24 AM
I just want to add my voice to those congratulating Cal Tech on breaking the streak!!! :) :) :) :) :)

Cal Tech is 100% a perfect example of why I love DIII so much, and I've always had a huge soft spot for them. I've watch a few of Cal Tech's close calls since I moved to Cali, so I'm so excited for them for getting this win. These players obviously take the court for the pure, unadulterated love of the game more than anyone else in basketball... how else could you stand walking onto the court knowing that everyone expects you to fail every night. I love that they proved many doubters wrong... here's hoping the conference streak goes down this season too!

I was going to be at the game, but I got dragged off to a celebration of the one year anniversary of my coworker's freedom from her ex.... who dumped her for another woman after 33 years of marriage... typical california male. ::) I will be kicking myself for not being there for a long time... but hey... I guess it's not a bad thing to be a supportive friend.

Anyhow, thank you to CalTech for creating some great fodder for me against my archrival, Howard, creator of the Bard fansite www.raptormania.com .... this is going to be fun. :D

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 08, 2007, 02:52:23 AM
Quote from: old_hooper on January 05, 2007, 01:22:30 PMIt would be great to see one of the schools with the great facility to have its own preseason invitational

... or, even better yet, how about a regular-season non-conference invitational? :D

Congrats to Roy Dow and Caltech! Way to go, Beavers!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on January 08, 2007, 08:49:16 AM
The Cal Tech story was on NPR this morning during one of the "light news" spots they put on at the half hour.  It said a conference win is their next goal.

dhf,
Welcome back.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on January 08, 2007, 10:12:09 AM
Like Gray Fox, I am happy to see DHF back in the room.

Nice article (http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-caltech8jan08,1,5119877.story?coll=la-headlines-sports) on CalTech in this morning's LA Times.  It's kind of the usual stuff, but always good to get the SCIAC some ink.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on January 09, 2007, 05:09:07 PM
 Thanks guys.

Congrats to Oxy for breaking into the Top 25... I went to the Oxy-St. Thomas game, and thought Oxy definitely looked improved. As Oxy's only DIII loss was to St. Thomas in a game that was close the whole way, it seemed logical to me that Oxy deserves some Top 25 recognition early on. Here's hoping that they keep winning and keep me from looking like a dummy. :D If the reports here are accurate, I'm expecting CMS to provide some pretty interesting competition though... should be a fun conference season!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 10, 2007, 01:05:58 AM
The first Posters' Poll of 2007 is out (multi-region topics).  We have 'fairly' good geographical representation, except we can't get anyone from the 'left coast'.

If you follow d3 on a NATIONAL level (or wish to nominate anyone who does), you're invited.  It is a bit of work if you try to do a good job (and we do!), but it is also fun and quite educational.

We are NOT in competition with the d3hoops.com poll (we all consider it the 'gold standard' for d3), but discrepancies between the polls can make for fascinating conversations.  Selections cover games through Sunday, with ballots due by 8pm (EST) Monday (though I often hold the voting booth open late hoping for more ballots).

I'm especially calling out you, OxyBob, but if I've overlooked anyone else with a national interest, I apologize and invite you as well.  For more info or to submit a ballot, send a PM to 'Mr. Ypsi'.  There were only 9 ballots this past week, but I'd really hope to reach 12-15 (at least!).
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 10, 2007, 01:21:08 AM
Caltech players react to their historic win in this news video clip.

http://video.nbcsports.com/player/?id=55036
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 10, 2007, 01:45:05 PM
Caltech on Cold Pizza on ESPN2 right now.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on January 10, 2007, 04:53:35 PM
I agree with Bob that the best opening night game is Whittier at CLU.  It's hard to tell what the Poets will bring, as their crazy scores against Chapman suggest.  Otherwise it's pretty slim pickings as the other games all have heavy favorites.  Saturday's CMS-Oxy matchup will be the first game that tells us a lot about who's who...
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dawg gone it on January 11, 2007, 12:00:39 AM
UR dawgs 67 PP 57 at the half
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Redlands Rick on January 11, 2007, 12:55:48 AM
UR wins 115-110, making Porter for P-P an All-American canidate in the process.

Sat behind UR bench...can't believe some things I heard said by asst coach  to players near end of game. UNBELIEVABLE!!!

Glad Dogs win...
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on January 11, 2007, 11:25:02 AM
Interesting result from Redlands last night - although not completely surprising since the Dogs usually play PP fairly close (I should have thought of that, however, when I more or less proclaimed PP a heavy favorite in my last post).  I am curious to know if Redlands led wire to wire, it seems like that situation adds to the pressure that's supposed to be generated by the system.

It's an especially tough loss for PP if things play out as many have prognosticated and the Hens struggle against Oxy and CMS.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on January 11, 2007, 12:23:30 PM
Article in the Pasadena Star News re the end of the Mighty Beaver's win streak:

http://pasadenastarnews.com/news/ci_4990866

This Saturday's matchup of Oxy v. CMS at Rush Gym has tipoff slated for 7:30 p.m.  Oxy students remain away on semester break so a few good seats should be available . . . come cheer for the Tigers!

tooth
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hoopsallthetime on January 11, 2007, 02:18:36 PM
The stags took care of hopeless Laverne last night 59-43. In a game, where CMS defense caused almost 20 turnovers, Manny Maceira took over from the beginning of the game finishing with over 30 points for the game. At times the Stags looked unstoppable, scoring at will, and not even giving Laverne a chance to score. The stags only led by 7 at half, but quickly raced to a 24 point lead within minutes of the second half.
The Stags now look forward to Saturday's matchup against Oxy. I look forward to a defensive game where both teams will struggle to score. Maceira and Betty should put on a show, hopefully with the Stags coming up on top.
Congratulations to the Redlands squad with your impressive win over Pomona-Pitzer. Redlands is shooting the ball well, and looks to play tough in the SCIAC this year. Hope to see you all on Saturday Night.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tom Brady on January 11, 2007, 03:46:43 PM
Come on Bob, thats it?  There was no complaining in that last one.  The gym wasn't too cold, the music too loud, the PA guy not loud enough???  Hmmmm, are we seeing another side of you ;) ;D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciac_is_fun on January 11, 2007, 06:42:49 PM
27 points vs. Redlands makes a guy an all-american candidate?  Now if someone were to score 63...
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hoopsallthetime on January 12, 2007, 01:18:46 PM
I was curious to see what everyone thought about the CMS vs. OXY game tomorrow night. What are some of your predictions or thoughts about the game? It should be a great game, hope to see you all there!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TeeDub on January 12, 2007, 01:30:32 PM
Quote from: cmsstag on January 12, 2007, 01:18:46 PM
I was curious to see what everyone thought about the CMS vs. OXY game tomorrow night. What are some of your predictions or thoughts about the game? It should be a great game, hope to see you all there!

CMS is so solid defensively that being on the road probably won't matter that much in this one.  The only thing that I think MAY affect CMS is the emotion of trying to avenge the playoff loss from last year.  Sometimes that can have a negative result rather than being a positive motivation.  Nonetheless, my prediction is a victory by CMS in a game that might not see either team in the 50's.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dawg gone it on January 13, 2007, 01:03:29 AM
Congrats to CLU alum Russell White, who assumed the head coaching job at Crespi High School.  Under his outstnading coaching ledership, he has turned a down program into a first place team in the very tough Mission league.

Jordis,  while I appreciate good defense on the court, a game where neither team gets to 50 points doesnt sound all that exciting.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dawg gone it on January 13, 2007, 01:27:09 AM
Maybe CLU fans would like to know that one of theirs is doing a great job.  Why are you communicating with me anyway? 
 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on January 13, 2007, 08:01:02 PM
Bobbie and Dawgie, sittin' in a tree
k - i -s - s- i- n- g

I see England, I see France,
I see Bobby's underpants,

I know you are but what am I?

He who smelt it, delt it.

boogerhead
snotface
creep
jerk
your momma,
don't be talkin' about my momma

This sandbox exchange has been brought to you by . . .

Dawgie and Bobby . . . who apparently flunked "making nice" and "be kind to others" in kindergarten

I see the need for my Moe to knock Dawgie's (Larry) and OB's (Curly or Shemp, take your pick) heads together
Why I oughta
nyuck, nyuck, nyuck

now get outta here you knuckleheads and don't forget what we've learned here today

your temporary yard monitor,

tooth
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on January 14, 2007, 12:15:41 AM
Somehow, by mistake I'm sure, the CLU-Redlands women's score is posted on the men's d3hoops scoreboard. While I congratulate the Regals on their 2-0 start to conference play :), I was hoping someone in the know might post an updated men's score here when the game goes final.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on January 14, 2007, 12:19:45 AM
Oxy 71   CMS 56  Final.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dawg gone it on January 14, 2007, 01:06:10 AM
tooth.....your sense of humor is ........boobalicious!  see ya soon.

Any news on the UR-CLU game?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on January 14, 2007, 02:09:06 PM
Thanks for the score, Bob.  I'm happy for the Kingsmen but surprised at the margin - I figure the CLU guards must have handled the pressure well and the Bulldogs were a bit cold from behind the arc.  I am looking forward to seeing a box score.

Congrats to Oxy on a solid win - it will be interesting to see how CMS retools for the rematch.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on January 14, 2007, 03:59:33 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 14, 2007, 03:35:57 PM
I am unsure if there's any connection between the article's author, Dustin Dow, and the Caltech coach, Roy Dow. I am also unsure if there's any connection between Tony Dow and the Beavers. I leave it to you to decide.
Bob,
I think you are trying to be a bit too cleaver. :P
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on January 14, 2007, 06:07:26 PM
Bob and GF-

I am sure you'll be fascinated to know that Jerry Mathers did a brief stint at Cal Lu in the late 60's.  There are unsubstantiated rumors that Eddie Haskell was a bad influence and got him kicked out of school... ;)

Found a box score (http://www.redlands.edu/prebuilt/pdf/athletics/2007basketball_mens/clu-ur.htm), looks like the Kingsmen shot 86% from the floor in the second half, and Danny Hagen was 16 for 16 from the floor for the game.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on January 14, 2007, 06:15:02 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 14, 2007, 04:06:00 PM
Gray Fox:

>>I think you are trying to be a bit too cleaver.<<

I am going to have to think about a comeback to that. I'll get back to you no later than June.

OxyBob

If you two keep this up much longer, I'm going to have you committed to the mental ward.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dawg gone it on January 14, 2007, 07:16:01 PM
The Beavers natural mom is now the mayor of Westlake Village........God Bless us all. :D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on January 14, 2007, 07:18:23 PM
Quote from: dawg gone it on January 14, 2007, 07:16:01 PM
The Beavers natural mom is now the mayor of Westlake Village........God Bless us all. :D
Thanks, Wally.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on January 14, 2007, 07:33:14 PM
We are beginning to look like the MIAC football board, but here are some bios.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerry_Mathers

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Dow

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eddie_Haskell

No mention of CLU, but I think some of them lived in the area.

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciacguru on January 14, 2007, 10:09:13 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 14, 2007, 03:10:03 PM
scandihoovian:

When it comes to 3-pt FG percentage, the Traveling Freak Show is the bottom 20% in all of D-III, and they're even worse than that in overall FG percentage

But the Bulldogs do lead the nation in 3 ptrs made/game, assists/game, and steals per game.  And according to the stat sheet from scandi, it looks it was the Kingsmen "D" that stymied Redlands.  UR had more turnovers than assists for the first time in 4 games and were severly outrebounded 58-26.  The top 4 scorers for UR were held well below their averages....Amir w/ 19 (30.1), Markus w/ 18 (22), Coffey w/ 2 (14), and Thomas w/ 3 (11).

Quote from: OxyBob on January 14, 2007, 08:02:57 PM
16 completely uncontested 1-footers, no doubt. I'm sure Hagen took tougher shots in warmups.
Edit: CLU had 108 of its 128 points in the paint

When was the last time you made 16 straight shots in a college basketball game?  I think Hagen is deserving of a little credit.  Isn't the idea to get the best possible shot anyway.

Quote from: OxyBob on January 14, 2007, 03:10:03 PM
Quantity doesn't equal quality.

And congrats to Russell White as well.  Thanks for the info DGI.

Great win for Oxy.  I was hoping to get out to that game.  I thought Oxy would win, but not by that large of a margin, and I didnt think they would score that many pts against the CMS "D."  Impressive.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciacguru on January 14, 2007, 10:36:43 PM
As for the UR system being called TFS, I agree with you (can't believe I just typed that).  And it is a joke (dang...agreed with you twice).  But I think we all know that when playing UR, they do try to block shots, foul, and take charges.  So I dont think that Hagen was all alone on all of his shots.  And in all the years of Coach Smith running the system, has any opponent shot 100% when taking that many shots?

But having read the stat sheet further, what I found impressive was the freshman Andy Meier with 26 pts, 13 rebs, and 9 assists.  Not bad for a 6'6 forward.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on January 15, 2007, 12:46:32 PM
Guru-

Hodges came close, I think he was 24/25 a couple of years ago...

I agree with you and Bob about Meier, he has been fun to watch thus far.

And finally, I guess I am wondering a little about what happened to PP against Redlands since the board unanimously agrees that the hens are well coached and always know what's coming  ??? (That's not sarcasm, I'm genuinely curious)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Howlinwolf on January 16, 2007, 01:34:48 PM
Oxy rises to # 17 in this week's D3Hoops poll. Convincing win over the talented Stags gave them some more props.

SCIAC fille with potential  landmines. One is P-P tomorrow night.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on January 16, 2007, 02:18:17 PM
Sounds like Oxy sure did an impressive and good job against a great Stag Team.
If the tigers keep this up, look for them to stay on the top of the SCIAC with the stags far behind. (Just kidding)

What's the record for the hens so far? I haven't heard much from them as of late.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Henhouse on January 16, 2007, 02:54:05 PM

    As a Pomona alum, I try to get to as many PP games as possible. I was at the Redlands game and was disappointed in the way the guards handled the pressure. I live in Pasadena, and walked over to catch the PP/Cal Tech game. In the second half, Coach Cat inserted a seldom used guard #12. Where has he been? He ran the offense smoothly, hit shots, and provided much needed leadership. Why doesn't he play more?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DIIIghetto on January 16, 2007, 05:28:03 PM
Kats is still Kats.

I'm not sure what is happening out there but it seems like they are overall very young and that is hurting them against some more seasoned teams.  We are only a few games into the conference so it is too early to draw conclusions.  The fact that P-P still has the 2005-06 team photo on their Website half-way through the season is just simply an embarrassment.   I know times and resources are tough to come by at those two insitutions so maybe a parent can bring a camera, snap some photos and email them to the school so they can get up to date.


Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on January 16, 2007, 07:11:44 PM
Quote from: Howlinwolf on January 16, 2007, 01:34:48 PM
Oxy rises to # 17 in this week's D3Hoops poll. Convincing win over the talented Stags gave them some more props.
Or maybe it's finally gotten into people's heads that the only d3 team this team has lost to is the #3 team in the nation at a neutral site, and by not a whole lot either!

OxyBob, it was very nice to meet you too! I may or may not know more about DIII basketball than you (highly debatable considering how many inter-regional games you've caught this year alone), but you've got CA basketball and this conference by a landslide! :)

Sure is tempting to drive up to PP for the game tomorrow... on the other hand a 3hr roundtrip on a weeknight is insanity! Sounds a lot like me.  ;D

Quote from: sciacguru on January 14, 2007, 10:36:43 PM
As for the UR system being called TFS, I agree with you (can't believe I just typed that).  And it is a joke (dang...agreed with you twice).  But I think we all know that when playing UR, they do try to block shots, foul, and take charges.  So I dont think that Hagen was all alone on all of his shots.  And in all the years of Coach Smith running the system, has any opponent shot 100% when taking that many shots?

But having read the stat sheet further, what I found impressive was the freshman Andy Meier with 26 pts, 13 rebs, and 9 assists.  Not bad for a 6'6 forward.
Oh gosh, how much does it suck to miss a triple double by only one assist? That happens so rarely in DIII. (I've never seen one, and I've seen a lot games and a lot of amazing players!)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on January 17, 2007, 03:02:03 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 17, 2007, 01:58:26 PM
Nice to see SCIAC teams in the NCAA D-III statistical top ten:

Redlands is No. 1 in scoring offense -- 123.7 ppg
Claremont is No. 1 in scoring defense -- 54.9 ppg
Tonight's games:
Redlands (8-4) @ CMS (9-4)

OxyBob
This has got to be the most interesting D3 game tonight.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on January 17, 2007, 03:50:42 PM
That's why I think it is interesting.  It's a battle of wills and who will be able to control the pace.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on January 17, 2007, 04:08:22 PM
So given how close the colleges are, how difficult would it be to say, watch the Redlands@CMS game and then sprint over to Oxy @ PP game, and back... etc.  Hmmmmm...  ???

Seriously, how far apart are their gyms? I can't tell from the maps. This could be really funny if I could pull it off.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on January 17, 2007, 04:57:57 PM
diehard-

My recollection is that they're about a block and a half apart, so I think it's doable...  Good luck!

You could even be at the Supertents for the National Anthem and starting line ups, catch the first half of CMS/Redlands, and then buckle up for what will probably be the best half of basketball in the SCIAC tonight - the second half of the Oxy/PP game.  Should be fun - the Hens need this one to climb back into the race...
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on January 17, 2007, 05:17:51 PM
Nice... thanks for the info. It didn't look like they were that far off from eachother... and possibly off of the same street? It will be like switching from audio broadcast to audio broadcast to find out what's going on in the more interesting games around the country.... only much more... interactive... :D

Hmm... maybe I shouldn't have worn those 3-inch heels to work today.  :D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on January 17, 2007, 05:25:57 PM
Quote from: diehardfan on January 17, 2007, 05:17:51 PM

Hmm... maybe I shouldn't have worn those 3-inch heels to work today.  :D

Work? :-X
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on January 17, 2007, 07:21:42 PM
Looks like Kats has brought in some good new talent.  This is a bellwhether game for Oxy.   They haven't won here since going back-to-back in 02-03.  Oxy starts four seniors and a junior and look to have found their stride against CMS.  Should be a good ride.  We'll have the broadcast at www.oxybroadcast.com. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dawg gone it on January 17, 2007, 11:21:25 PM
Redlands 50  CMS 46    Mazarei had 17 first half points.   Go Dawgs.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on January 18, 2007, 12:23:44 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 18, 2007, 12:14:47 AM
Final from Pomona:

Oxy 70, Pomona 54

OxyBob

Hey OxyBob, you don't have to sign all your posts, you know.... Your name is in that little box on the upper left corner...  :D :D :D ;D 8) :P :-* ;) :) :) :)

Thanks for the final... I ended up being lame and staying at home and listening to the Wheaton broadcast. I had sorta figured that I could listen to the first half, and when we were thoroughly willing at half time I would go up to the PP-Oxy and CMS-Redlands games... my team was lame and decided to make me nervous by not showing up until the second half. Am dying to know what the final was on the CMS-Redlands game!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on January 18, 2007, 12:34:42 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 18, 2007, 12:29:11 AM
Oh, so that bothers you, too?
Absolutely not. But well played. Guess it's a good thing I decided not to stick my neck out about CMS being pretty good. They still obviously have some work to do.  :-\ Guess it's pretty hard to instantly replace a player who was as darn good as Miles Taylor was!

Ironic that CMS actually did play pretty good defense on Redlands, kept them significantly below their average... and that one game total alone might drop them out of the NCAA standings for that stat!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on January 18, 2007, 02:32:52 AM
Who would've thought that Oxy's biggest games weren't the PP/CMS games to start the season after Caltech but the next two against CLU and OB's TFS?

My apologies to all who tried to listen to the second half.  My software decided that it was just not going to work.  I think it was sabotaged by some hens who knew that a beat down was upon them and didn't want the world to know. ;)  (cackle, cackle)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Howlinwolf on January 18, 2007, 01:34:46 PM
Bulldogs finally may be using OB's moniker as motivation this year.  :D

I know this is the men's board, but congrats to Cal Tech's women's squad on ending their long skid with a narrow defeat of the 'Hens.

Unusual year to date - bitter cold, two Cal Tech W's, P-P and CMS with two conference losses early in the season.  The world is coming to an end!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on January 18, 2007, 03:00:06 PM
Good call, Howlinwolf - congrats to the Cal Tech women!

Bob-
Did I forget to tell you that the ceiling can be lowered and the lights dimmed for big games?  ;D

I am very excited about Saturday night's game - definitely the first big game in the new arena.    I'm impressed with the way Oxy has handled PP and CMS thus far.  I know PP may be having something of a down year, but I am really surprised that CMS lost to Redlands at home.  The Bulldogs have already been a bigger factor in the conference race than I thought they would be.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Redlands Rick on January 18, 2007, 04:59:07 PM
Big factors in Dogs win against CMS:

1) CMS horrible performance at the FT line; I don't know how far under 50% from the line they shot, but they probably beat Dogs if they shoot a little more than 50% from line.

2) Pretty lame that only only two refs showed up to call the game; that equated into fewer fouls/slow downs, which favored Dogs.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on January 18, 2007, 05:41:54 PM
Scandii---- Famous T.O doughnuts and 1st round of Beer are on you if the Oxy crew heads out to the land of the who, right. ;D. Just kidding.

I hope i can make it out there. I haven't seen the men in Organe and black since they played against Wisconsin-Luthern at the cal tech tourney. I hope that this game turns out to be a good one. If the who brings the same game and attitude that they took with them when they headed to maui and when they played a decent chapman team, i expect this game to give us all the fits. Hope the kingsmen are ready for the tigers this weekend.

Btw, how did knowles do against the tigers?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on January 18, 2007, 06:28:59 PM
BE-

In the event of a CLU victory I will happily buy consolation donuts for all Oxy posters in attendance  :D  The beer part you'll have to take care of on your own - if I do make it to the game I'll have the little scandihoovians in tow.  They're not quite ready for the old Pub & Grub just yet...
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dawg gone it on January 19, 2007, 01:33:20 AM
Mr. Meant To had a friend....his name was Didnt Do. :D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dawg gone it on January 19, 2007, 02:22:34 AM
You are like my shadow...stop stalking me [deleted]

My post was just a comment from an old basketball coach of mine on the would coulda shoulda's that is contained in a couple of previous posts.  You just cant deal with Redland basketball winning a game.  You call a bunch of kids trying their best and playing for the love of the game ...freaks.  Shame on you. 

And by the way... Ive know Sue for 20 plus years. I knew she was the Beav's sister...I told two other posters I was going to post she was his mom and that you would correct me within 30 mins....I guess I was wrong again it took you 42.  Carp.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on January 19, 2007, 10:23:54 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 18, 2007, 12:46:53 PM
tigersports:

Looks like the Traveling Freak Show is a force to be reckoned with in the SCIAC. 116 points against Pomona and 98 against CMS, traditionally two excellent defensive teams, is mighty impressive. The Bulldogs are trying to win one for the Smither.

DGI-

Given that Bob was willing to call Redlands accomplishments "impressive", I really don't think he's having trouble accepting the Bulldogs strong start.  Now if he was posting inaccurate information on purpose just to get a reaction out of people, that would be a entirely different story...
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 19, 2007, 12:34:21 PM
Quote from: dawg gone it on January 19, 2007, 02:22:34 AM
You are like my shadow...stop stalking me XXXXX from XXXX.

Geez, man, you can't help yourself, can you?

You really should be banned from the site for this. But I don't want to deal with the whining e-mails you sent me when you deleted yourself from the board during the football season.

I'm really getting tired of this.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 19, 2007, 10:48:32 PM
Lots of people refer to the System as a freak show or a circus. That doesn't mean they refer to the individuals playing the game as freaks.

It's actually a relatively common opinion, hardly held by just one person.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: littleboymaker on January 19, 2007, 11:58:25 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 14, 2007, 08:02:57 PM
scandihoovian:

>>Danny Hagen was 16 for 16 from the floor for the game<<

16 completely uncontested 1-footers, no doubt. I'm sure Hagen took tougher shots in warmups.

OxyBob

Edit: CLU had 108 of its 129 points in the paint.


I would suggest that they were all from within 5 feet, and most were contested.  No fast break baskets, just pounding the ball inside.  Andy Meier was great.  With Meier high and Hagen low, the combination was huge.  Meier hit 6-12 foot jumpers, and Hagen powered off the block.  4 of Meier's 9 assits were to Hagen.  Hagen had at least 20 pounds on the Redland defenders, and he used his body well.

With Redlands trying to pressure the ball outside, they were vunerable to CLU's inside play, and Coach Rider capitalized on it.  I was surprised that Redland drove inside so much against CLU.  CLU's big men dominated the paint on both ends.

The Oxy CLU matchup may be better than some people think, but that's why they play the game. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: castle on January 20, 2007, 02:42:41 AM
I am looking forward to taking in a good sciac matchup in TO tomorrow;  it will be my first look at OXY and CLU this year.  I thought the kingsmen were a year away from doing damage, so i really want to see the young guys who have been playing so well.  But 15 and 14 point W's over CMS and PP are very impressive by Oxy, cal lu will have to control Betty/Whitman and shoot well from 3.  Looks like it should be a low scoring game.

Go Kingsmen

(How come it is always seems to be a Redlands fans that is causing a fuss on the site) ???
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Former Player/ Former Coach on January 20, 2007, 08:50:05 AM
The traveling freak show may fade, but they will have some effect on the S.C.I.A.C.  Teams like CMS and Oxy that will kill you with their half court offenses run to precision, the game is played without you running your stuff except for them.  It wouldn't surprise me that UR beats Oxy at home, but Oxy will win the conference.  No matter what conference or what level, its hard to go through conference undefeated.  To many good coaches, and you know the other teams to well.  You play them twice a year.  Just one man's opinion; Let me go back to floating on the perimeter. Get me the ball i'm open.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Titan Q on January 20, 2007, 11:40:26 AM
Fantastic feature on Cal Tech just now on ESPN's College Gameday!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: littleboymaker on January 20, 2007, 04:13:05 PM
Oxybob,

Wish I could be at the Oxy CLU game, but its not possible.  While I would give Oxy the edge, I haven't seen Oxy play and you have.  I am concerned that Miller will have trouble with Betty defensively.  I think Meier will match up on Mills pretty well.  While Miller is more offensive, it will be interesting to see how much Rider will use Hagen on Betty [power v power].  I think CLU's defensive play will be a bigger factor in determining the outcome, that offense.

I could be all wet........having coach more soccer than basketball, but, I'm programed to "build from the back [defensive errors loss more games that offense wins in soocer]". 

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dirty Harry on January 20, 2007, 06:02:08 PM
What's the word on CLU's backcourt? Been a lot of talk on the board about power vs power in tonight's CLU-Oxy game but how does CLU match up with Whitman, Zebb and Macbride? CLU will obviously try to pound the ball inside but I see Oxy attacking with a more balanced offense (as OxyBob suggested). If Betty, Mills and Kostic can hold CLU's muscle away from the basket and out of the statbook, I like Oxy's chances.


Tigersports, you gonna be there?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: littleboymaker on January 20, 2007, 08:29:04 PM
OxyBob is probably correct with regard to Oxy being more balanced [and more experience at least in the backcourt].  It strikes me that the CLU backcourt is improving, but there has not been much depth there for a couple years IMO.  Being a numbers guy, I've always watched the assist/turnover ratio for both the team and point guards.  I think it says a lot about their game. 

All things considered, work ethic and team play will probably get the win......I'm hoping that CLU will get the "W". 

OxyBob, if you're smiling after the game, it's OK, but I'm going to hope for an upset.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on January 21, 2007, 12:33:09 AM
Tigers are looking pretty scary right now.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciac_is_fun on January 21, 2007, 01:31:02 AM
I have no clue what happened in the game tonight, but I have to defend CLU's backcourt a little bit.  Inniss and Acerboni are two of the best they've had back there in a while, and the experience they got during a tough year last year is showing with their play this year.  The Assist/Turnover ratio isn't bad: better than 2:1 for both starting guards before tonight.  The two big men actually have more TO's than the gaurds at this point.  Again, for all I know they may have gotten killed tonight, but in my opinion CLU is every bit as "balanced" as Oxy.  They just may not be quite as good....yet.  CLU gets virtually everybody back next year, so watch out. 

Just checked the CLU's website:  Oxy 68 CLU 56.  There ya go.  Probably about what most people expected.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DIIIghetto on January 21, 2007, 01:45:22 AM
Congrats to the Tigers.  Sweeping the Big 3 ain't easy.  Right now, my head is spinning with what is going on in the conference.  CMS losing to Redlands, at home?!?  That one just didn't make any sense to me.  I'm sorry to take away from the job Redlands did there, because clearly they earned the W, but as good as the Stags were pre-Oxy, it seems pretty clear that their coaching staff suffered a major let-down after going to Hersey Park-West and getting beat.  Coaching beats Redlands and for whatever reason, they couldn't rebound in time.  Big disappointment when you view the non-conference performances and have to think that the SCIAC had the best chance of getting two in with the CMS-Oxy ticket.  That loss to Redlands at home may kill that opportunity- but then again, it is too early to make too much about that. 

I get the PP loss to Redlands, that happens every 4 years or so.  Oxy, Redlands, CLU sitting on top.  Very rare that we get almost to the half-way point and have that scenario. 

A couple tidbits:

1.  Oxy is playing some serious ball (Betty is being the stud we all expected but I'm most impressed with the play of Mills & Kostic.  Whitman, Zebb, McBride and on down the squad, Oxy is playing on all cylinders and answering my criticism fir showing up early this season lacking a chip on their shoulders for finishing the conference play last year with a whimper.   
2.  Redlands is coming back to Hersey Park-West next week - will they have a guard put up Stilt-like numbers against the Tigers this time?
3.  Kats against Scali next week has a heck of a lot riding on it (Scali trying to fight back into contention & PP trying to make sure CMS doesn't start more of a streak than 2 over them.
4.  This thing is still capable of getting very interesting.
5.  Can UPS and Whitworth come down to the southland next year and schedule CMS or Oxy and not Whittier, Cal tech, La Verne or a young CLU team?  PC, here is a plea for a couple of more votes for our boys based on their scheduling sack and UPS/Whitworth's lack thereof. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciac_is_fun on January 21, 2007, 02:16:33 AM
a couple notes from T.O. tonight:

Miller & Meier for CLU: combined 2-12 at the line
CLU only 5 turnovers for the game
Oxy shoots 62%, Betty 6 assists

700 in attendance
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bucs77 on January 21, 2007, 02:55:27 AM
d3ghetto,
     As a Whitworth Fan and an NWC fan in general I have to call you on your statement.  Every year nwc teams try to get any sciac team to come and play up north.  There are NEVER any takers.  I know for a fact that Whitworth has tried to get CMS and OXY up north even this year but they will never agree.  WW and UPS went down to l.a. this year and played the only teams that would play them from the sciac.  Hopefully one of our teams gets to beat you in the playoffs yet again.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on January 21, 2007, 03:42:24 PM
I must have missed something, but why are we calling it "Hershey Park West"?

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DIIIghetto on January 22, 2007, 12:39:40 PM
OB, the reference is to the name of only of the gym where Wilt put up a Franklin on the Knicks. 

http://www.hoophall.com/exhibits/chamberlain_game.htm

After Redlands had a guard put up 80 points against Oxy at the Rock last year, the gym was unofficially renamed "Hershey Park-West".

 


Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on January 22, 2007, 01:01:14 PM
Awesome job by the guys in Orange and Black. ;D
I had planned on heading out to the land of the Who to claim my doughnuts from Scandii but fell ill; due to this wild global warming that hit So.Cal. However, I was really glad to read the updates that you guys put up and was thrilled to read that the game started off good and then headed in favor for the tigers. Thats an awesome job and great statement for Oxy's plan in winning the SCIAC this year. I hope that this does not make any player on the squad get way over their heads, as they still got ways to go to keep the lead and play good.

Its great to hear that Pitcher is developing just fine since his debut as a starter just a couple of months ago.  With the help of Kostic, Zebb and others from the bench, be sure to look out for a decent rotation of guys that can get the job done and keep the tigers in pace for 1st place.

btw, D3, the guy only scored 50 something. I know thats bad, but to say that its close to 80 is not even close. Maybe we should call the Staples center, Hershey park of the west. Thats were Obiwon-Kanobi slapped 81 points on you know who.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pineconefan on January 22, 2007, 01:07:31 PM
OB -

"Our school doesn't budget us enough money" is the oldest and cheapest whine in the books, especially from a school with the financial resources of Oxy.  

Come on, the Northwest is not the midwest.  Southwest Air flies to Seattle, Portland, even Spokane.  With enough planning, a trip to the Northwest can be done fairly inexpensively (the NWC schools have learned how to do it well going the other way).  CMS figured out how to do it last winter.  But then the SCIAC champions lost to a couple of NWC also-rans.  

I have a feeling that has as much to do with it than anything else.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TeeDub on January 22, 2007, 01:42:58 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 22, 2007, 01:30:47 PM
pineconefan, I directed you to the Oxy coach for the reasons why they don't travel. You prefer to have faith in the supposed superiority of the NWC, which is combined with your continued bitterness about Whitworth losing to Oxy and Pomona last season, and the Pirates not making the playoffs. I see that this season Whitworth downgraded to Caltech and UC Santa Cruz (twice!). Don't let the facts get in the way of what you believe.

OxyBob

On these mini-battles between SCIAC and NWC...I'm sure glad Oxy Bob is on our side.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pineconefan on January 22, 2007, 02:08:46 PM
Now Oxy - you know I quoted Coach Newhall almost exactly about why he doesn't travel.  And I even left out the part about how much money they get donated to the program.

I never mentioned the superiority of the NWC (you used those words), I just brought up the CMS results from last year.

Sure, you can bring up UCSC and Caltech, but that sword cuts both ways (La Sierra twice?)

Bitterness?  They name is OxyBob (its easy to smite when you know that the smiting cannot be returned).

I just agreed with Bucs77 that D3Ghetto has no clue who Whitworth/UPS tried to schedule for the trip down south.  All we really know is who agreed to play them.

Hey, a school can choose to travel, or not.  A school can choose to provide those great experiences to their student-athletes, or not.  A school can gain valuable road experience in preparation for later in the season, or not.

Just don't whine about it when you choose not to.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pineconefan on January 22, 2007, 02:33:07 PM
Hmm, putting words in my mouth again OB?  When did I say Whitworth tried to schedule Oxy and Oxy refused?  All I said was we don't know who the Pirates tried to schedule. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gilbert McFinnegan on January 22, 2007, 02:36:19 PM
PineCone may not be arguing league superiority and my be stepping lightly due to drama from the fun police (Hall of Famers) on our board, but I have to let the facts speak for themselves....

In the past 3 years the SCIAC is 2-4 in the tournament, including 4 first round games, with the two wins coming over Colorado College and CMS.  I know that everyone on this board knows that, but based on these performances it would naturally seem that the SCIAC should make the trek up North to make the challenge as opposed to the NWC going down.  La Verne gets the concept, that is why they got a home game against UPS this year.

As for UPS going down south and ducking competition, that is fallacious.  UPS did travel down south last year specifically to play the best competition....that is why they played Illinois Weslyan.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: UPSoundLogs on January 22, 2007, 04:22:37 PM
OUCH...It's gotta be rough when you have to dig back in the record books five years to find some sort of tourney success for the SCIAC :o!!!

Just for the record, I was impressed with "OXY" from last year when they played at UPS in the tournament.  They weren't as good as WW was at the end of the year... but close.  Betty isn't as good as advertised in my opinion, but Phillips(I think he graduated though?) was very good. 

Just some observations from a circling sea gull ;D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on January 22, 2007, 04:26:32 PM
Money and budgets from athletic depts. are sad when schools try to schedule good competition. I won't even get into that old and long conversation, but, there are schools (just like oxy) that don't have that money to do trips like that.
All I can say is that the schedule that oxy current;y has can at least give them a look at what they need to do to make it to the big dance.(just my opinion by the way)

Btw,Great research Bob.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on January 22, 2007, 04:32:23 PM
Quote from: Browneagle64 on January 22, 2007, 04:26:32 PM
Money and budgets from athletic depts. are sad when schools try to schedule good competition. I won't even get into that old and long conversation, but, there are schools (just like oxy) that don't have that money to do trips like that.
How can schools send football teams out of state but not basketball?   ::)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on January 22, 2007, 05:08:38 PM
Oh dear God, make it stop....  :-\

You'd think with the interesting league race right now we could be debating who might finish on top, or possibly how people see Wednesdays games playing out... but noo....

Gray Fox... athletics programs have different priorities, as driven by the alumni base, tradition, etc. Wheaton has a top swimming, football and basketball program... but our baseball team royally stinks. We actually have a tiered system for allocation of funding in our athletic program, with the bottom tiers hardly getting any money at all. Other schools are known for baseball... if you guys are going to discus this topic to death, can we at least stick to resonable logical fact based stuff? OxyBob and the Oxy coach are probably in better positions to know what the priorities are of Oxy's athletic programs than we are. All I know is that the Oxy official basketball website is seriously lacking info... whether or not that reflects the athletics department's or the institution's commitments to basketball, I don't know.

And so, uh, I think the Oxy-Redlands game on Wednesday could be really interesting... if I feel like braving the 1.5 hr drive (that's without traffic) on a worknight, I just might have to catch that one. :)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: UPSoundLogs on January 22, 2007, 05:44:41 PM
OxyBobby,

"First of all, it's the past 4 seasons, not five. Second, during that period the SCIAC is 4-5 in the NCAA tournament, and the NWC is 5-4. Yeah, your conference is killing us with all of your success."-OB

I think you may have mis-understood me, I said tourney SUCCESS!!!  As in, advancing through the tournament into further rounds.  Although it is a very interesting statistic, I don't really care about the overall record of the SCIAC's first round exits over the past 5 years.  

AND...in my previous post I was actually trying to defend Oxy's team from last year, I thought they were good.  It's ok that they weren't quite as good as Whitworth, because WW was very good as well.  I don't really look at it from a... who lost to UPS by how many equation.  All that shows is that UPS was better than both of them.  I was looking at each teams players and the overall talent of each team, WW had the edge.  Plus it is just my opinion, no need to ruffle your tailfeathers ;).  

DHF-
I apoligize for stopping by to put in my two cents, I'll make my way back over to the NWC board now :-X.  It's just a little slow over there that's all.  

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on January 22, 2007, 06:04:30 PM
Quote from: diehardfan on January 22, 2007, 05:08:38 PM
Gray Fox... athletics programs have different priorities, as driven by the alumni base, tradition, etc. Wheaton has a top swimming, football and basketball program... but our baseball team royally stinks. We actually have a tiered system for allocation of funding in our athletic program, with the bottom tiers hardly getting any money at all. Other schools are known for baseball... if you guys are going to discus this topic to death, can we at least stick to reasonable logical fact based stuff? OxyBob and the Oxy coach are probably in better positions to know what the priorities are of Oxy's athletic programs than we are. All I know is that the Oxy official basketball website is seriously lacking info... whether or not that reflects the athletics department's or the institution's commitments to basketball, I don't know.
Actually, I think the football teams in the SCIAC have to travel to get enough games.  It would be good for the basketball teams to be able to do that more.  But they get enough snowbirds to fill out their schedules. The main problem is the lack of playing in the very hostile gyms at some places.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gilbert McFinnegan on January 22, 2007, 06:16:10 PM
Quote from: diehardfan on January 22, 2007, 05:08:38 PM
Oh dear God, make it stop....  :-\

You'd think with the interesting league race right now we could be debating who might finish on top, or possibly how people see Wednesdays games playing out... but noo....

I knew it would not take long for a Hall of Famer to step in and belittle our madness.  Is it an unwritten rule to start discussions that may involve a little lively debate in which some people may want to advocate for the conference/team they follow most closely?  I could see if we were at issue and just speaking nonsense, but it seems like most are sticking to the facts.  Maybe, I will learn once I hit my 5,000 post or so....if I do not get my account shut down first.  Go ahead....bring on the negative karma.....

Quote from: OxyBob on January 22, 2007, 04:56:40 PM

First of all, it's the past 4 seasons, not five. Second, during that period the SCIAC is 4-5 in the NCAA tournament, and the NWC is 5-4. Yeah, your conference is killing us with all of your success.

OxyBob-

Before the topic gets completely stomped out I think the first round byes need to be considered in the tourney records; the NWC has gotten one each of the past 3 years.  A better way might want to look at the depth in the tournament each conference has gone.

NWC- First Round Loss; Sweet 16; Sweet 16; Elite 8

SCIAC: Elite 8; Second Round Loss; First Round Loss; First & Second Round Loss

There is some significance there.

NortwesternGil
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DIIIghetto on January 22, 2007, 06:24:52 PM
Quote from: diehardfan on January 22, 2007, 05:08:38 PM
All I know is that the Oxy official basketball website is seriously lacking info... whether or not that reflects the athletics department's or the institution's commitments to basketball, I don't know.

And the scary thing is I think Oxy BB has about the best Website in the conference. 

I'll leave you seagulls alone.  It was all I could do to poke some fun at you guys for coming down and playing LV, CT & Whittier.  Outside of that, while your hoop teams haven't displayed the dominance over us that your football teams have, you still have shown that you are the superior conference at the top.  Granted, no thanks to Whitworth for that (look... another cracker).   

UPS should have tried to schedule Redlands every single year.  I think that a couple of those tough UPS teams could have broken the 200 point barrier against them. 

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on January 22, 2007, 06:51:00 PM
ghetto,
There is a preview button.  Your post is confusing.  Some of the quotes were wrong.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on January 22, 2007, 06:51:19 PM
Diehard, no need to make that drive when Tigersports will provide its "words-eye-view" at www.oxybroadcast.com! 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on January 22, 2007, 07:00:45 PM
Quote from: UPSoundLogs on January 22, 2007, 05:44:41 PM
DHF-
I apologize for stopping by to put in my two cents, I'll make my way back over to the NWC board now :-X.  It's just a little slow over there that's all. 
I actually think it's a very positive thing for posters to "travel" from board to board to gain perspective about the regional and national scenes... so I would vastly prefer if you didn't just stick to your own board. Heck, I live here, but this isn't really my own board either! I just would like it if everyone at least pretended that they wanted to play nice. ;)

Quote from: Gilbert McFinnegan on January 22, 2007, 06:16:10 PMI knew it would not take long for a Hall of Famer to step in and belittle our madness.  Is it an unwritten rule to start discussions that may involve a little lively debate in which some people may want to advocate for the conference/team they follow most closely?  I could see if we were at issue and just speaking nonsense, but it seems like most are sticking to the facts.  Maybe, I will learn once I hit my 5,000 post or so....if I do not get my account shut down first.  Go ahead....bring on the negative karma.....
Sticking to the facts is one thing, doing it into a derogatory manner that makes it very quickly digress into name calling is another thing. That's not sticking to the facts. A "sticking to the facts" post would not be emotionally charged. :P I can tell you have some latent animosity toward HOFers, so let me assure you that I am by far the most silly of them all. A HOFer stepchild if you will. :D However, as the resident female, I like to step in every so often and strongly encourage the testosterone to back off to a dull roar so that some serious, interesting debate can take place. Obviously I usually fail, but that doesn't keep me from trying. I'm stubborn like that. ;D

Oh well, if nothing else, at least all the seagull analogies are making me laugh.  :D

Quote from: Gray Fox on January 22, 2007, 06:04:30 PM
Actually, I think the football teams in the SCIAC have to travel to get enough games.  It would be good for the basketball teams to be able to do that more.  But they get enough snowbirds to fill out their schedules. The main problem is the lack of playing in the very hostile gyms at some places.
That makes sense. The snowbird trips, and the recent expansion of the "in region rule" definition has greatly helped things for this area. The fact that people who are regularly ranked in the Top 25 come out here gives the league attention nationally. When the top team in the conference plays a team like St. Thomas tough (St. Thomas is probably ranked a little high, but a Top 15 team at least) its a credit to this league. Playing tougher teams will also do a lot to help the teams out here gauge how far they have to improve to make it to Salem. I do agree that getting to more gyms would help teams in terms of preparing for tournament play. However, I certainly can't make the college administrations invest more money in their athletic departments. :)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on January 22, 2007, 07:03:10 PM
Quote from: tigersports on January 22, 2007, 06:51:19 PM
Diehard, no need to make that drive when Tigersports will provide its "words-eye-view" at www.oxybroadcast.com! 
As good as your broadcast may be, there's just no substitute to seeing a game live... and you know it. ;)

DIII ghetto, I'll fix your post so it doesn't look like GreyFox said things he didn't... this whole quoting thing can be confusing... the only reason I've figured it out is because I've posted so dang many times. :D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on January 22, 2007, 07:11:41 PM
Quote from: diehardfan on January 22, 2007, 07:03:10 PM
DIII ghetto, I'll fix your post so it doesn't look like GreyFox said things he didn't... this whole quoting thing can be confusing... the only reason I've figured it out is because I've posted so dang many times. :D
Thank you.  I guess ghetto doesn't have preview power yet.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on January 22, 2007, 07:31:13 PM
Quote from: diehardfan on January 22, 2007, 07:00:45 PMI can tell you have some latent animosity toward HOFers, so let me assure you that I am by far the most silly of them all.

You wouldn't care to put that to a vote, would you?  ;)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DIIIghetto on January 22, 2007, 08:00:30 PM
Living in the DIII hood, it is amazing I have a computer at all...

But luckily for me, I get plenty of Saltines.  GF, a winter trip to the NW would force our teams to buy not only plane tickets but also rain gear.   Besides, why trip to Tacoma in December when we have to go back there in February? 

Maybe you can talk PP or CMS into a road trip.  They have funds and pull recruits from the NW.  I doubt Oxy would  bump Utah State, UNLV, USC, Cal St. SLO for a trip to Ptown or the Emerald City short of a game with D1 to pay for it.  I'm not sure what Redlands, Whittier or Cal Lu would get out of the trip. 

I'm just glad that Jason Lowery still is another year away from competing for your conference title.  If it had been this year, they might have tried to lure him down to Redlands next year.   Someone like him at a school where the Admin is not ignorant of what it takes to win would definitely threaten to upset the SCIAC power structure.


Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on January 22, 2007, 08:04:39 PM
Quote from: DIIIghetto on January 22, 2007, 08:00:30 PM
Living in the DIII hood, it is amazing I have a computer at all...
That would be Eagle Rock, right? (grins at tigersports)  ;D :D :D :D ;)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bucs77 on January 22, 2007, 10:36:44 PM
I think down in SoCAL you guys have been watching too many laguna beach re-runs.    Back on topic, I hope that Coach Hayford at Whitworth or Lunt from UPS can send you the magic handbook on traveling to play good non conference opponents.  Hmmmm.....   I just did my research and talked with members of both OXY and Whitworth's athletic dept.  UH OH! oxy has a bigger budget.  And WW somehow goes to Hawaii, Chicago, LA and all the conference games in oregon.  WOW  what a mystery.   seems like its not a matter of money when you truly get down to it.  Sucks to be in the SCIAC when you know you're coming up here just to go down.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pineconefan on January 22, 2007, 10:45:47 PM
"Sticking to the facts is one thing, doing it into a derogatory manner that makes it very quickly digress into name calling is another thing." - DHF

That seems like an OB specialty.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on January 22, 2007, 10:59:08 PM
Quote from: bucs77 on January 22, 2007, 10:36:44 PM
I think down in SoCAL you guys have been watching too many laguna beach re-runs.   
I actually didn't even know that was a television show... or is it?  ??? I've heard it's a place, but I've certainly never been there. We roll it conservative at Wheaton. :)

I don't even know if I can take your claim to talking to the athletic departments seriously, but if so, the actual Oxy basketball program is allocated more? Or just the athletic program in general?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bucs77 on January 22, 2007, 11:25:32 PM
You can take it as a fact.  And it is the basketball program specifically.  It is not secret information held by only a few.  It is public information if someone wants to find out. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 22, 2007, 11:42:46 PM
Heh, I take a few hours to do my job and all heck breaks loose as the UPS posters find even more HOFers to get under the skin of. :)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on January 22, 2007, 11:55:04 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 22, 2007, 11:42:46 PM
Heh, I take a few hours to do my job and all heck breaks loose as the UPS posters find even more HOFers to get under the skin of. :)
Naah, it takes a lot more than that to get under my skin. I am less sensitive than the boys are. :P
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciacguru on January 23, 2007, 01:56:00 AM
Holy Cow...I go out of town for a few days and I have to catch up on 8 pages of posts!!!!!!  Looks like the Kingsmen battled for a half, but you have to knock down FT's to beat any good team, especially like Oxy, who doesnt turn the ball over.  But starting 4 seniors and one junior vs 2 freshmen, 1 soph., and 2 juniors is a huge advantage.

And for UPS coming down and wanting to play IWU....I think it had more to do with Westmont not wanting to play either UPS or IWU in the first round of their tourney.  I think their 1st round selection of their tourney this year is evidence enough.  UPS, I am sure, really didnt have a choice.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on January 23, 2007, 10:53:50 AM


Hey, Buc77 you crack me up when you mentioned that "Hmmmm.....   I just did my research and talked with members of both OXY and Whitworth's athletic dept.  UH OH! oxy has a bigger budget".
If so who did you talk to? I really do want to now where that secret fund is so that we can send our BBall team out of state easily. Maybe with all our money we can charter first class seats on American Airlines and have limos and tons of faithful fans pick the boys up at the gate.
In all seriousness though, The FB team can just get out of state with their own money. Since the team has about 50+ members, our coaching staff finds ways; such as throwning a big golf tourney, putting on high school summer football camps and high school track meets that all FB must work as officals, order to get 1/2 of our money for our budget. Unfortunately, the basketball team has to settle with the same budget that the Oxy mens tennis team gets through out the year.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 23, 2007, 12:42:34 PM
From 2005-06:
Occidental MBB budget: $44,028
Whitworth MBB budget: $58,667

These numbers are reported to the federal government each year as part of Title IX.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: littleboymaker on January 23, 2007, 01:03:22 PM
Given the quality of the NW/SCIAC interaction, I'll add a couple "so what's your point" comments.

I believe CLU goes to Mauii every other year around Thankgiving and usually plays NW League team.  They played Whitworth and Lewis and Clark last November.  That has to be a reasonable chunk of $'s.

As to testorsterone, with 5 natural sons, 5 additional sones, 4 grandsons and ONE GRANDAUGHTER, it's hard to get away from.

OxyBob, if I was smarter, I would have bought you a donut at the Whittier game.

Littleboymaker
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 23, 2007, 01:05:13 PM
Quote from: bucs77 on January 22, 2007, 10:36:44 PM
Hmmmm.....   I just did my research and talked with members of both OXY and Whitworth's athletic dept.  UH OH! oxy has a bigger budget.

Spare us your made-up crap. The numbers don't lie.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on January 23, 2007, 01:10:14 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 23, 2007, 12:42:34 PM
From 2005-06:
Occidental MBB budget: $44,028
Whitworth MBB budget: $58,667

These numbers are reported to the federal government each year as part of Title IX.
Nice... where do those numbers come from? Is it available by PDF from a website? I'd love to look at those at some point in a national sense.

Quote from: OxyBob on January 23, 2007, 12:06:11 PM
Pay no attention to the geographically-challenged bucs77, who thinks Laguna Beach is Los Angeles
I must admit to lumping all the "beach" towns in the LA area together. But I have an adversion to the entire LA area in general (minus Koreatown food, mmmm... and the Getty which I go to all the time). Thus, most of my free time is spent in San Diego, a fact that my lungs and eyes generally thank me for. I did think Newport Beach was fairly pretty though.

Quote from: littleboymaker on January 23, 2007, 01:03:22 PMAs to testorsterone, with 5 natural sons, 5 additional sons, 4 grandsons and ONE GRANDAUGHTER, it's hard to get away from.
10 sons? Nice, you can get a little hoops 5-on-5 action with that many kids. That would make family get togethers fun. :) Maybe I should get on that. :D :D :D :-X
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Titan Q on January 23, 2007, 01:18:56 PM
Quote from: sciacguru on January 23, 2007, 01:56:00 AM

And for UPS coming down and wanting to play IWU....I think it had more to do with Westmont not wanting to play either UPS or IWU in the first round of their tourney.  I think their 1st round selection of their tourney this year is evidence enough.  UPS, I am sure, really didnt have a choice.

Below is the archive of the WJBC broadcast of the 12/29/05 IWU vs Puget Sound game at Westmont.  If you start the player at 40:55 you will find an interview we taped w/ former UPS coach Bridgeland and played at halftime.

http://secure.stretchinternet.com/archive.php?user=wjbc&event_id=9425


"We heard that they were in the tournament...[Westmont assistant coach] was kind enough to let us in under the stipulation that we'd be able to play Wesleyan in the first round.  We're very excited to have a chance to play another Top 10 team...it's a real good gauge for where we're at."
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bucs77 on January 23, 2007, 02:02:53 PM
Before Pat gets all fat and happy over his research maybe he should know that those numbers are what each team spent in total, not what they are given by the school at the beginning of the year

Get your facts straight
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on January 23, 2007, 02:04:12 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 23, 2007, 12:42:34 PM
From 2005-06:
Occidental MBB budget: $44,028
Whitworth MBB budget: $58,667

These numbers are reported to the federal government each year as part of Title IX.

Excellent research, thanks Pat.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 23, 2007, 02:05:07 PM
When I worked in athletics I knew that if I DIDN'T spend my allotment, it was going back in the general operating fund. It wasn't like I was going to be able to bank it for the next school year.

If anything, you might overspend your budget rather than drastically underspend it. Certainly you would not underspend it enough to turn a $14,000 shortfall into what you claim it to be.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bucs77 on January 23, 2007, 02:08:05 PM
what does that have to do with who is given more money to start the year.  That was the topic, that was the question, and if you want to do some real research call each athletic dept. as an interested parent/alumni/donor and ask.  They will tell you.  Like i said it is not secret info.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on January 23, 2007, 02:10:05 PM
Nope,

I still think you are a bit confused YoungBuc. Pat and his evidence are dead on. Thats about how much money they get. If you think thats how much they boys in Orange paid and had some roll-over money left, then you are wrong.
Since you spoke to the good people at Oxy's athletic dept. did they tell you that the Man's BBall used that roll-over money to make their locker room all tricked out with 50 Big screen t.v.'s, personal messages from a massus(sp?), state of the art carpets that resist any stains and their very own personal assistants??????
Oh wait, the Rock is not laguan beach. Nor do they have the best locker room.  
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bucs77 on January 23, 2007, 02:13:49 PM
WOW, I can't believe how far you guys are off.  If you want the straight numbers then chew on this.  WW is given in the 25,000 range at the beginning of the year from the school.  Fundraising by the coach and players gets them up to over double where they start.  Think about what you are saying before you talk.  Oh and yes that is a fact because I am one of the donors for their program and have talked with the WW coaches on more than one occasion about the #s
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 23, 2007, 02:17:19 PM
Whitworth isn't the only school that does this, though.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on January 23, 2007, 02:19:18 PM
As the team that travels the most (IMHO) in the West, Puget Sound came in at $75,513 for that time period.

Bucs77, we all have to seriously question your statements when you flat out lied about contacting the adminstrations of both of the schools. But even if that's the case, all that gets you is the privilage of considering yourself lucky to support a program that the alumni are dumping a lot of funds into. Don't make the assumption that other programs have that luxury.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bucs77 on January 23, 2007, 02:23:18 PM
I feel like there is an echo in here.  We are having the same conversation on 2 boards, anyway.  The question was over who was allocated more resources/funds at the beginning of the year by their respective school.  WW or Oxy.  You have established that OXY spent less overall. That was not the question.  I have answered it and it is factual assuming I was not given false information by the athletic dept.s.  you can research the correct question for yourself or we will drop it.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 23, 2007, 02:24:41 PM
I know the D-I exhibition and regular season games that Occidental plays are fundraisers.

Gee, wow, maybe both schools raise funds.

Show your cards. You can't win the hand without showing your cards.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wildcat11 on January 23, 2007, 02:28:47 PM
As a sidebar to the "discussion" going on in here.  I thought the SCIAC'ers would find this info to be interesting.

Here is the breakdown on the NWC and SCIAC in terms of Operating Expenses:

SCIAC:
$44,028-Oxy
$36,175-Claremont
$23,975-Redlands
$22,000-Chapman
$16,262-Cal Lu
$14,507-LaVerne
$14,431-Pamona
$10,400-Whittier

NWC:
$75,513 -UPS
$58,667-Whitworth
$47,981-Whitman
$47,591-GFU
$46,153-Willamette
$41,498-Linfield
$34,384-Pacific
$30,853-L&C
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on January 23, 2007, 02:30:01 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 23, 2007, 02:24:41 PM
Show your cards. You can't win the hand without showing your cards.
You also can't win the hand with out having better cards to begin with... if your opponents call your bluff.  ;)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on January 23, 2007, 02:31:53 PM
Quote from: wildcat11 on January 23, 2007, 02:28:47 PM
As a sidebar to the "discussion" going on in here.  I thought the SCIAC'ers would find this info to be interesting.

Here is the breakdown on the NWC and SCIAC in terms of Operating Expenses:
Yay! A solely fact based discussion post, better than I do it. K+ to you. :)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bucs77 on January 23, 2007, 02:33:41 PM
man you totally called me on it.  I made up everything.  I didn't already know whitworth's school given budget and I certainly didn't dial 10 numbers on a phone to call oxy athletic dept. and say that I was interested in how much the school gives to each athletic team.    It was so hard to believe.  Thanks for calling me on it.  I won't lie ever again mom.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 23, 2007, 02:35:34 PM
Finally, a fact. :)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bucs77 on January 23, 2007, 02:37:00 PM
haha. I got a fact for you.  How about you give me your phone # and I call you and give you the names and exact #s
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on January 23, 2007, 02:38:26 PM
Quote from: bucs77 on January 23, 2007, 02:33:41 PM
man you totally called me on it.  I made up everything.  I didn't already know whitworth's school given budget and I certainly didn't dial 10 numbers on a phone to call oxy athletic dept. and say that I was interested in how much the school gives to each athletic team.    It was so hard to believe.  Thanks for calling me on it.  I won't lie ever again mom.
No problem, son. We all make mistakes. The key is learning from them so you don't make them again. Now go sit in the corner for a time out. :P ;)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pineconefan on January 23, 2007, 03:12:58 PM
Alright, alright, alright...

Getting back to the original point - DIIIghetto made a dumb insinuation that Whitworth and UPS ducked Oxy and CMS this year during the trip south:

"Can UPS and Whitworth come down to the southland next year and schedule CMS or Oxy and not Whittier, Cal tech, La Verne or a young CLU team?" - D3G (January 21, 2007, 01:45:22 am)

Whitworth and UPS follows rightly questioned how D3G knew who both teams tried to schedule (talk about unnamed sources!).

Then the legitimate question of why does the travel always have to be one-way arose.  OxyB jumped in with the recording of Coach Newhall.  He says they CAN'T because they don't have a big enough budget.

But, based on the factual numbers that Wildcat11 provided, we see that Oxy has the biggest budget (or spends the most - all semantics) in the SCIAC.  Yet CMS has traveled to the Northwest and CLU makes an every-other-year trip to Hawaii.

So the conclusion on not that Oxy can't, but that they won't.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on January 23, 2007, 03:36:36 PM
Pineconefan, thanks for the cogent contribution to the discussion. In addition, I looked up my own alma mater, and we spent a few thousand less than Oxy in 2006. Wheaton travels pretty regularly, including a trip out here to play Whittier, Redlands, and LaSierra (at the Whittier Poet's classic) last season and some regional travel to sourthern IN and Michigan.

This still, obviously, doesn't make bucs77's argument any more right, but I digress.

I am now a little curious as to what Oxy uses their budget for since it doesn't generally include long distance trips. ???
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Titan Q on January 23, 2007, 03:43:17 PM
On the topic of travel, Illinois Wesleyan is scheduled to play at Occidental next season, so looking forward to meeting some of the fine Oxy posters.  My Titans could be starting 4 or 5 freshmen next year, so hoops may be rough....but  I will enjoy the weather!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on January 23, 2007, 03:48:51 PM
As Brian Newhall noted in the radio address linked by OB, Oxy's extra $$ goes to hiring coaches.  As for those of you who wonder why Oxy won't spend the money to go to the NWC . . . please read the posts and listen to Brian:

Oxy raises money by going to play the likes of Cal Poly SLO, Utah State, UTEP, UNLV, etc.

The boys get to play against big time programs, the trip is paid for and Oxy makes some money.

That explains the budget . . . and tell me how Oxy is "ducking" the NWC when instead they're playing Utah State or UNLV?

Geesh, pay attention.

And . . . as the program meets w/ success, alumni giving improves.


Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on January 23, 2007, 03:55:47 PM
Quote from: Sabretooth Tiger on January 23, 2007, 03:48:51 PM
As Brian Newhall noted in the radio address linked by OB, Oxy's extra $$ goes to hiring coaches.  As for those of you who wonder why Oxy won't spend the money to go to the NWC . . . please read the posts and listen to Brian:

Oxy raises money by going to play the likes of Cal Poly SLO, Utah State, UTEP, UNLV, etc.

The boys get to play against big time programs, the trip is paid for and Oxy makes some money.

That explains the budget . . . and tell me how Oxy is "ducking" the NWC when instead they're playing Utah State or UNLV?

Geesh, pay attention.

And . . . as the program meets w/ success, alumni giving improves.
I don't have a problem with Oxy playing higher division schools if they need it to raise funds at all, though I do think that it hurts them when there are less regional wins/losses for committees to look at come playoff time... especially in regards to seeding/hosting.

Coaching salaries aren't included in those expenditure numbers, obviously. So that doesn't explain where the money goes. But as someone who is generally so cordial and affable as yourself is apparently getting offended by my posts, I'll stop with the prodding.... sorry! :)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pineconefan on January 23, 2007, 04:00:11 PM
Tooth you said - "Oxy raises money by going to play the likes of Cal Poly SLO, Utah State, UTEP, UNLV"

No one debates that, but those are only one, MAYBE two, games a year.  How does that explain never traveling for regional games in the other eight non-conference dates?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on January 23, 2007, 04:02:14 PM
DHF,

I was not responding to you . . . please do not take any offense . . . my response is directed to our friends from the cold, wet and dark northwest who are desparate need of sunshine and illumination . . .

But . . . one note, Brian in his interview referenced the impact of fundraising on his ability to staff.  Now that may be a result of being able to shift the use of resources, but the continued success of the programs and additional revenues raised has permitted him to expand his staff.

cheers,

tooth
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on January 23, 2007, 04:12:58 PM
Quote from: pineconefan on January 23, 2007, 04:00:11 PM
Tooth you said - "Oxy raises money by going to play the likes of Cal Poly SLO, Utah State, UTEP, UNLV"

No one debates that, but those are only one, MAYBE two, games a year.  How does that explain never traveling for regional games in the other eight non-conference dates?

You know, I can ask him . . . but it seems to me that there have been some pretty good DIII teams coming through SoCal the past few years from far afield . . . I don't think it's like football with long term reciprocal travel agreements (home/away).

Rather, I think that schools like Amherst, Williams, St. Thomas, Concordia-Wisconsin, Trinity (CT), Robert Morris, etc. would rather come to SoCal in the winter than vice-versa. So if the Tigers can host good DIII teams and use travel dates to raise money and play DI programs . . . I say "why not?"
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pineconefan on January 23, 2007, 04:54:44 PM
Tooth, you make a good point about schools coming into SoCal (though I was talking mostly about regional contests, since those are the ones that factor most into postseason).

But I think your point also supports my arguement that its Oxy's (coaching staff/administration) choice not to travel.   Rather than they can't.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pineconefan on January 23, 2007, 07:27:36 PM
So,

For those of you who have seen both, does Caltech have a real chance to beat ULV tomorrow night and end decades of SCIAC losses?  I know they have a couple of actual players on the team, but is that enough for a SCIAC win.

And will any of you interested SCIAC observers make your way to the Caltech gym just for the opportunity of seeing history?

Just wondering, since the outcome could have an impact on Whitworth's potential SOSI  ;)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on January 23, 2007, 07:44:58 PM
Hmmm . . . Wed night, travel to Caltech or to Oxy . . . ?

Neither, will head to Muir Field North to coach 7 year old soccer players, oh well, I look forward to the eyewitness reports . . . GO TIGERS, BEAT THE TFS!  GO BEAVERS, END THE STREAK!

On another (and IMHO sad) note, I see that Dawg Gone It has gone to poster heaven, having apparently become a dearly departed . . .

I know that he created some strong reactions on the board (OB, you there?) and pushed some buttons . . . but I have to say that I have now met the man face to face in a professional setting, and he's a good guy.  Moreover, while I didn't always agree w/ his postings, I think he helped bring the football boards alive last summer and continued to "stimulate discussion" here and on the baseball boards.

I, for one, will miss his postings and hope that he considers yet another comeback . . . and if he does, beg for restraint from his adversaries.

cheers DGI, wherever you are . . .

tooth
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on January 23, 2007, 09:37:18 PM
Quote from: wildcat11 on January 23, 2007, 02:28:47 PM
Here is the breakdown on the NWC and SCIAC in terms of Operating Expenses:

SCIAC:
$44,028-Oxy
$36,175-Claremont
$23,975-Redlands
$22,000-Chapman
$16,262-Cal Lu
$14,507-LaVerne
$14,431-Pamona
$10,400-Whittier

When did Chapman replace Cal Tech in the SCIAC?  ??? ;) :)

Seriously, I'd be interested to know what Cal Tech spends on hoops.  Talk about a high cost per win!  :D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DIIIghetto on January 24, 2007, 02:53:44 AM
Appreciate everyone stopping by.  5 years ago if we had tried to get someone from the NWC come in here they would have dissmissed us like h.s. senior coeds getting asked out by freshmen.  I guess with our Whitworth Ws last year we merit some attention from these folks.  And Whitworth fans, I think Oxy has the scheduling figured out just fine.  After all, they did come in second in the conference last year but based on their strength of schedule and quality non-conference wins got a ticket to the Tourney.  More than one person last year watching the Whitworth losses commented on those Ls having a significant potential impact on the ability of the NWC to get two in last year.   Lesson well learned.  It looks to me like you guys have two strong candidates for the Tourney this year.

Someone has to tell me where they are getting that school data.  I'm still scratching my head.  "Pamona" having a budget of $14k?!?  Doesn't make any sense at all.  The Oxy figure also has to be way, way, way high.  Oxy getting 3x the Hens?!?  Outrageous.     

Someone tail their coaches after the games and tell us what kind of cars they are driving.   Even if these figures are exaggerated and misleading, hats off to Oxy & CalLu for shaking dollars from somewhere to help their programs.   PC or someone, how many teams in the top 25 have operating budgets sub $30k?

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 24, 2007, 03:38:11 AM
It would just be a guess. I wouldn't be surprised if there were more than a few. A lot of schools simply don't fund athletics very well.

Those schools at the bottom don't fund sports information offices very well either, and it shows.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 24, 2007, 04:13:55 AM
Quote from: Titan Q on January 23, 2007, 03:43:17 PM
On the topic of travel, Illinois Wesleyan is scheduled to play at Occidental next season, so looking forward to meeting some of the fine Oxy posters.  My Titans could be starting 4 or 5 freshmen next year, so hoops may be rough....but  I will enjoy the weather!

The Titans could be starting four or five freshmen next year? So Ron Rose is gonna throw Gilmore, Gant, Morris, Chamernik, Bryant, etc., over the side of the boat? Has the team's radio colorman alerted them to this yet? ;)

Quote from: diehardfan on January 23, 2007, 03:36:36 PM
Pineconefan, thanks for the cogent contribution to the discussion. In addition, I looked up my own alma mater, and we spent a few thousand less than Oxy in 2006. Wheaton travels pretty regularly, including a trip out here to play Whittier, Redlands, and LaSierra (at the Whittier Poet's classic) last season and some regional travel to sourthern IN and Michigan.

Wheaton also has a hefty recruiting budget as part of its operating expenses, as the coaching staff will travel by plane if necessary to recruit out-of-state players.

I think that a lot of the dispute here between the NWC people and the SCIAC people comes down to scheduling methodology. As has been pointed out by a couple of SCIAC fans, SCIAC schools have the advantage of warm weather working for them when it comes to scheduling. The snowbirds have flown into SoCal every year for games for as long as I can remember, and unless they all start adopting the strategy that Coe, Dominican, Lake Forest, and North Park established this year (rent out a SoCal juco or high school gym on your own dime, then stage your own tournament and bypass the bother of having a SCIAC host dictate terms -- including the assignment of hometown refs -- on your warm-weather trip), it's likely to continue to be that way for the foreseeable future. The SCIAC schools are merely taking advantage of their best natural resource -- parka-free winter sunshine.

The problem with that is twofold: 1) You have to take potluck in terms of which snowbirds decide to make the trip to SoCal in any given year; one year you might get the likes of Amherst, St. Thomas, and Washington (MO), but the next year you might get stuck with such relative lightweights as Swarthmore, Wisconsin Lutheran, and Bard coming into your gym; 2) You don't present your team with the challenge of playing tough D3 competition on the road, thus failing to expose them to what they can expect in March should they make the D3 tournament.

These problems can be ameliorated somewhat by playing good GSAC teams on the road or by doing it the Oxy way and slipping in an exhibition game against a D1 whenever possible. But they don't replicate the problem of hopping on a plane, flying to a completely alien part of the country, and getting exposed to the midwestern style of D3 basketball that has obviously set the standard for how the game is played on this level -- or the problem of flying to the NWC and its home gyms that have caused so much trouble for SCIAC teams in recent tourneys.

But if there's anything I've learned about D3 basketball over the years, it's that each program has its own way of doing things, its own set of priorities and limitations, and its own chosen goals. If declining to travel to Spokane or Sea-Tac or Chicago or Grand Rapids or Columbus in November and December is the choice made by the SCIAC braintrust, then good on them. To each his own. I'm sure that they understand the pluses and minuses without our having to tell them what they are.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on January 24, 2007, 11:15:18 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 24, 2007, 04:13:55 AM[...]unless they all start adopting the strategy that Coe, Dominican, Lake Forest, and North Park established this year (rent out a SoCal juco or high school gym on your own dime, then stage your own tournament and bypass the bother of having a SCIAC host dictate terms -- including the assignment of hometown refs -- on your warm-weather trip), it's likely to continue to be that way for the foreseeable future. [emphasis added]

Are you saying that Coe et alia imported snowbird refs for their So Cal sojourn?  They must have a pretty big travel budget for such an extravagence!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wildcat11 on January 24, 2007, 12:15:42 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on January 23, 2007, 09:37:18 PM
When did Chapman replace Cal Tech in the SCIAC?  ??? ;) :)

Seriously, I'd be interested to know what Cal Tech spends on hoops.  Talk about a high cost per win!  :D


David,

I noticed that yesterday after I posted but since I figure that since Cal Tech is a IM basketball team that I didn't want to take to time to update that post.  However, since you asked.  Cal Tech OE for Men's Basketball: $22,937
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on January 24, 2007, 12:31:00 PM
Wildcat, play nice, despite our different loyalties we all pretty much like CalTech down here. :P

Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 24, 2007, 04:13:55 AM
Quote from: Titan Q on January 23, 2007, 03:43:17 PM
On the topic of travel, Illinois Wesleyan is scheduled to play at Occidental next season, so looking forward to meeting some of the fine Oxy posters.  My Titans could be starting 4 or 5 freshmen next year, so hoops may be rough....but  I will enjoy the weather!

The Titans could be starting four or five freshmen next year? So Ron Rose is gonna throw Gilmore, Gant, Morris, Chamernik, Bryant, etc., over the side of the boat? Has the team's radio colorman alerted them to this yet? ;)

Greg, I guess that means that Bob won't be keeping Gilmore in our fantasy keeper league. :D

Bob, lets be honest, are you really looking forward to meeting Oxy posters? Or are you really just looking forward to catching some golf in December in 70 degree weather. ;)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Titan Q on January 24, 2007, 12:42:45 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 24, 2007, 04:13:55 AM
Quote from: Titan Q on January 23, 2007, 03:43:17 PM
On the topic of travel, Illinois Wesleyan is scheduled to play at Occidental next season, so looking forward to meeting some of the fine Oxy posters.  My Titans could be starting 4 or 5 freshmen next year, so hoops may be rough....but  I will enjoy the weather!

The Titans could be starting four or five freshmen next year? So Ron Rose is gonna throw Gilmore, Gant, Morris, Chamernik, Bryant, etc., over the side of the boat? Has the team's radio colorman alerted them to this yet? ;)

No one is heading overboard, but Ron Rose has a chance to put together a one of those special classes this year where several freshmen will have a legitimate shot at starting.  Still a long way to go there though.  This is that time of year where most future Division III All-Americans still think they are D1 players -- we'll know more in April. 

Either way, the IWU team Oxy gets next December will be very much in program rebuilding mode.  The Titans are staring at about 2-12 in the CCIW this year and will lose one of the best players in the nation.  Ugh.

And of course, April....golf will be part of that trip!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gilbert McFinnegan on January 24, 2007, 12:47:18 PM
Looks like I missed a busy day yesterday, allow me to catch up...

Quote from: diehardfan on January 22, 2007, 07:00:45 PM
Quote from: Gilbert McFinnegan on January 22, 2007, 06:16:10 PMI knew it would not take long for a Hall of Famer to step in and belittle our madness.  Is it an unwritten rule to start discussions that may involve a little lively debate in which some people may want to advocate for the conference/team they follow most closely?  I could see if we were at issue and just speaking nonsense, but it seems like most are sticking to the facts.  Maybe, I will learn once I hit my 5,000 post or so....if I do not get my account shut down first.  Go ahead....bring on the negative karma.....
Sticking to the facts is one thing, doing it into a derogatory manner that makes it very quickly digress into name calling is another thing. That's not sticking to the facts. A "sticking to the facts" post would not be emotionally charged. :P I can tell you have some latent animosity toward HOFers, so let me assure you that I am by far the most silly of them all. A HOFer stepchild if you will. :D However, as the resident female, I like to step in every so often and strongly encourage the testosterone to back off to a dull roar so that some serious, interesting debate can take place. Obviously I usually fail, but that doesn't keep me from trying. I'm stubborn like that. ;D

Oh well, if nothing else, at least all the seagull analogies are making me laugh.  :D

DHF-
Thanks for the testosterone check...I got Entourage Season 1 and 2 for Christmas, so I have been a little outlandish in that regard.  I am not sure if I agree with you about my animosity towards HOFers being latent....I would argue that it is patent  ;D.  If you are looking for reasoning, check out the history on the NWC board, or the quote below this one.

Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 22, 2007, 11:42:46 PM
Heh, I take a few hours to do my job and all heck breaks loose as the UPS posters find even more HOFers to get under the skin of. :)

Pat-
Please at least get the stereotype right....It was not just "UPS" posters this go around.  WW posters definitely had a hand in this run at HOFers. (Based on past dealings, I am sure that this incriminates the entire conference. Correct?)

Quote from: Titan Q on January 23, 2007, 01:18:56 PM
Quote from: sciacguru on January 23, 2007, 01:56:00 AM

And for UPS coming down and wanting to play IWU....I think it had more to do with Westmont not wanting to play either UPS or IWU in the first round of their tourney.  I think their 1st round selection of their tourney this year is evidence enough.  UPS, I am sure, really didnt have a choice.

Below is the archive of the WJBC broadcast of the 12/29/05 IWU vs Puget Sound game at Westmont.  If you start the player at 40:55 you will find an interview we taped w/ former UPS coach Bridgeland and played at halftime.

http://secure.stretchinternet.com/archive.php?user=wjbc&event_id=9425


"We heard that they were in the tournament...[Westmont assistant coach] was kind enough to let us in under the stipulation that we'd be able to play Wesleyan in the first round.  We're very excited to have a chance to play another Top 10 team...it's a real good gauge for where we're at."

Titan Q-
Thanks for handling this one.  I never got to tell you congratulations on the season IWU had last year.  Despite the semi-final loss, I still think that IWU had a strong argument for being the best team in the nation last year.  It had to be tough to see that senior class/half of the team go.


SCIAC Board-

Even though the "Blind Sea Gulls," as OB so eloquently labeled us, have infiltrated your board, feel free to travel to the NWC board anytime.  Travel costs are much less and it does not rain on the internet.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on January 24, 2007, 01:13:32 PM
Quote from: Gilbert McFinnegan on January 24, 2007, 12:47:18 PMDHF-
Thanks for the testosterone check...I got Entourage Season 1 and 2 for Christmas, so I have been a little outlandish in that regard.  I am not sure if I agree with you about my animosity towards HOFers being latent....I would argue that it is patent  ;D.  If you are looking for reasoning, check out the history on the NWC board, or the quote below this one.
K+ for your impressive choice of the least commonly used form of the word patent. :)

I've never heard of Entourage either... are these seriously all TV shows? ??? Am I really that out of the loop?  :-X Oh well, I guess that's what I get for making things like the outdoors and d3sports my primary sources of entertainment. :P
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TeeDub on January 24, 2007, 02:03:51 PM
Quote from: Titan Q on January 24, 2007, 12:42:45 PM

Either way, the IWU team Oxy gets next December will be very much in program rebuilding mode.  The Titans are staring at about 2-12 in the CCIW this year and will lose one of the best players in the nation.  Ugh.


I think 4 of the 5 Oxy starters this year are seniors, so it looks like Oxy may also wear the "rebuilding" title as well.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sagecat32 on January 24, 2007, 06:07:35 PM
Quote from: wildcat11 on January 23, 2007, 02:28:47 PM
As a sidebar to the "discussion" going on in here.  I thought the SCIAC'ers would find this info to be interesting.

Here is the breakdown on the NWC and SCIAC in terms of Operating Expenses:

SCIAC:
$44,028-Oxy
$36,175-Claremont
$23,975-Redlands
$22,000-Chapman
$16,262-Cal Lu
$14,507-LaVerne
$14,431-Pamona
$10,400-Whittier



How is Coach Kat ever supposed to win the SCIAC with only $14,431?  Someone should call that AD over at P-P and tell him that if he ever wants to build a SCIAC power then he needs to get Coach Kat some more money...
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on January 24, 2007, 09:11:37 PM
Oxy-TFS tonight at www.oxybroadcast.com. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bucs77 on January 24, 2007, 10:35:36 PM
oxybob,
    or anyone who knows..... is there any sign or rumor of redlands ever giving up the system in coming years?  They often have talented players and I would think after such a long dry spell as far as playoffs, they (the athletic dept. / the coach)  would think twice about this whole idea.  I haven't looked it up, but has it ever worked? And byt worked I mean did they once get to the final 4 doing this and now believe in it?

I think it kind of cheats the players.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pineconefan on January 24, 2007, 10:47:51 PM
Bucs, there was discussion awhile back on this board about the Redlands coach retiring after this season, so it is likely the last year of the system. 

Also, cheats which players?  It allows a higher percentage of players on the roster to at least see some action per game, so that can be argued both ways.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bucs77 on January 24, 2007, 11:12:58 PM
that is a good point pinecone,

My cheats the players comment was in thinking about 2 things:  First the guys who are averaging those ridiculous stats are always gonna have people take their career stats differently because they play in that system.  second I meant that the system which redlands uses will never work in a national tournament or against the best teams in the country.  I will agree that they beat some teams they shouldn't, but then lose to teams they should beat as well.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 25, 2007, 12:05:12 AM
Oxy-Redlands tied at 88 with 4:12 left.

Good webcast for Oxy! ;)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D O.C. on January 25, 2007, 12:07:09 AM
Gary Glitter a capella?........
What fun!

I just started catching up on the b ball board and found the Redlands-Occidental game is tied at 80 with 4 minutes left on 1/24/07.
Now I can listen AND go back and enjoy the seagull cracker crack of a couple of days ago.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D O.C. on January 25, 2007, 12:17:00 AM
Banked 3 pointer by the throw 'em up M man in crimson and grey and Bulldogs up by 7 with 2 minutes to play.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 25, 2007, 12:19:17 AM
Redlands looks like it will pick up the win.  101-96 with 41.5 secs left.

Oxy would be in a 3-way tie with Redlands and Cal Lu
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D O.C. on January 25, 2007, 12:25:03 AM
Lookit Ralph! Up late...always the fan.
1 point now, Ralph.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 25, 2007, 12:26:57 AM
Redlands by one with 9.1 secs and redlands at the line, shooting 2.  107-106.

Redlands wins, 109-106.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D O.C. on January 25, 2007, 12:28:10 AM
That banked 3 pointer was the difference.

Yes, I know every point from the tip-off counts.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 25, 2007, 12:28:40 AM
Quote from: D O.C. on January 25, 2007, 12:25:03 AM
Lookit Ralph! Up late...always the fan.
1 point now, Ralph.


That was a good broadcast.  I wish that I had put the rosters up on the computer so I could follow the swings of the scores better, but the broadcast was good! :)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on January 25, 2007, 12:31:25 AM
La Verne edges Cal Tech 58-55.   :'(
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciac_is_fun on January 25, 2007, 01:53:01 AM
Looks like they had a crazy game in thousand oaks tonight.  CLU over Pomona, 68-66.  Pomona leads for the entire second half, CLU ties it on their 15th and final 3-pointer with 2 minutes to go, and wins on a Zach Miller bucket with :29.  Knowles misses a jumper with :03. 

Frosh Kyle Knudsen for CLU: 7-10 3pt FG, 25 Pts.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciac_is_fun on January 25, 2007, 02:08:07 AM
for more on that CLU-Pomona game:
http://www.clusports.com/stats/mens_basketball/2006_2007/0124P-P.HTM
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 25, 2007, 02:10:46 AM
Quote from: David Collinge on January 24, 2007, 11:15:18 AMAre you saying that Coe et alia imported snowbird refs for their So Cal sojourn?  They must have a pretty big travel budget for such an extravagence!

Lake Forest coach Chris Conger, who arranged the tournament via long-distance phone calls, also secured local refs for the four games. Since all four teams were from the heartland and all of the refs were from SoCal, there was no home cooking involved for anybody.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on January 25, 2007, 12:54:52 PM
Congrats to the Dawgs for pulling out a W and what sounds like another close game. It also sounds like the show did its job when time was ticking and pressure started to build up.

I hope that the boys in Orange and Black rebound from such a close game and from a loss to a revial that you never want to lose to. I hope that this loss adds new fuel to the tigers as they get ready for other teams who want to take them down. In all, i am sure Coach Newhall land Co. will get tigers back on top of the SCIAC soon.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on January 25, 2007, 01:09:15 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 25, 2007, 02:32:20 AM
(if I may be allowed to whine at this point)
No whining... it makes you sound like a seagull. Just kidding! :P :D ;)

Quote from: OxyBob on January 25, 2007, 02:32:20 AM
Congratulations to Redlands, who until further notice I will refer to as Redlands or UOR or Bulldogs.
Nice. I was going to say something about how that wasn't allowed anymore. But I guess I don't have to.

Quote from: OxyBob on January 25, 2007, 02:32:20 AM
It was great to get a chance to chat with Jordis Rocks, and always a pleasure to see tigersports. I looked for diehardfan, but there was nary a Wheaton t-shirt in sight.
You were there? Odd. So was I. ??? I wasn't wearing a Wheaton shirt, I was wearing work clothes, you know, cause I came straight from work....

I was going to wait around to meet you Jordis, but it just didn't seem practical given the fact that it was a worknight and I had my 1.5 hr drive ahead of me. I promise I'll do it at some @ Redlands game at some point this season.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on January 25, 2007, 01:50:13 PM
That was definitely the most enjoyable game I've seen since coming to SoCal. I've seen games between quality teams, the CMS @ Oxy playoff game last year and the Oxy vs St. Thomas game in the fall, but a combination of great crowd support, the back and forth score, the underdog coming out with the win on the away court and some crazy amazing shots and passes, made that one of the best basketball games I've seen in ages. So thanks to the Oxy and Redlands fans and teams for making it that.

I have never been one of those people that hate the frenzied systemesqe teams, though I do like the styles Redlands and Puget Sound play a great deal more than the Grinnell version... it's a lot smarter and more effective and less weird looking, IMHO. Last night was just a case of the system working as it was designed to. A great team goes down to a team that had some serious height disadvantages.... etc. Mazarei is Ridiculous!!! (yes, with a capital R). He would be a good player on many, many teams and get the national accolades he deserved that he may not get at the end of this season just because of the stigma of "system teams have inflated stats. There was the "Hey, lets swish this one while falling down just to look extra cool" shots. Half of the treys Redlands made were NOwhere near the 3-pt line. They weren't even near the NBA 3-pt line. They were closer to half court shots. It was like the Redlands guys consciously thought, "Hmm, why bother trying to get closer to the basket when I know perfectly well that I can swish an uncontested 3-pt shot from half court with my eyes closed." The only time I've ever seen a team do that before is Hanover, a team that has about as opposite a philosophy of Redlands as possible, and has games that are usually more like the 50's-60's. It was fun to watch 3-4 years ago in them, and even more fun to watch a team that shoots so many treys do it. The way that Redlands players drive to the basket and kick it back to teammates for uncontested threes was really... well, beautiful. Redlands is a pretty good passing team. For coaches that don't want to do a systemesque game, and just want their players to be able to do that kickback play effectively, last night's tape might be a good teaching tool.

I'm really curious to see where this puts Oxy in next week's poll. I can see a precipitous drop, or voters might give give them the benefit of the doubt, since Redlands has only lost to one (I believe) DIII team all year.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on January 25, 2007, 01:52:28 PM
Just wanted to chime in and credit Redlands for their strong start to conference play.  This is clearly a different bunch of Bulldogs from recent years when they would pull out an unexpected win or two and otherwise be a nonfactor in the conference race.  I am looking forward to seeing them play up at CLU in February.  If CLU can beat CMS at home there's a good chance Oxy, Redlands, and CLU will all be 6-1 at the turn.

Sounds like the CLU-PP game had plenty of excitement, I'm disappointed I missed it.  Nice comeback win for the Kingsmen, looks like Knudsen was hot from the perimeter.  Amazing stat of the game though has to be the 13 total fouls called in the entire game on both teams combined.

Finally - I was really hoping that CalTech could end the streak against ULV.  Maybe they'll fare better in the rematch.  For now though I must suspend cheering for the Beavers for one game, then I'll be back at it....
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Redlands Rick on January 25, 2007, 04:55:17 PM
Oxy Bob:

I don't hink you provided too much poster board material. Rather, I think that a far more deciding factor was that your Oxy coaches simply don't study enough tape of other UR defeats, combined with the fact that they don't have their players conditioned to the level that they need to be in order to play effectively against "the system."  And your low FT percentage also hurt you (and certainly helped our Dogs).

RR



Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on January 25, 2007, 05:27:32 PM
RR,
Free throws were mentioned in prior Redlands games.  I went to the SCIAC website to see how every team compared by season average to the UR game.  Maybe all that running hurts the free throw percentage.  But the posted stats are still over a week behind, so I didn't pursue it. 

PS - I went to some games here in Dallas over the weekend.  Some of the teams had stats posted almost immediately. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Redlands Rick on January 25, 2007, 06:01:05 PM
GF:

In watching these games out here, it just seems to me that many D3 coaches at this end of the world have not demanded that their players be conditioned to the level they need to be...simple, but true...and that, especially late in games, affects players' execution whose conditioning is not where it needs to be. 

Nor does it seem that a lot of SCIAC coaches do a lot of homework in an attempt to understand the strengths and weaknesses of the opposing players, and then look to take away those players' strengths and exploit their weaknesses, but simply believe that "their system" will win out over the other guys' "system."

RR
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TeeDub on January 25, 2007, 06:17:03 PM
Quote from: Redlands Rick on January 25, 2007, 04:55:17 PM
Oxy Bob:

I don't hink you provided too much poster board material. Rather, I think that a far more deciding factor was that your Oxy coaches simply don't study enough tape of other UR defeats, combined with the fact that they don't have their players conditioned to the level that they need to be in order to play effectively against "the system."  And your low FT percentage also hurt you (and certainly helped our Dogs).

RR

"Not-so-Redlands" Rick

You have a very strange way of showing support for 'your' team.  You have spent your last four or five posts commenting on the reasons Redlands' opponents lost rather than why Redlands has won.  It makes me question how much of a Redlands guy you are...
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Redlands Rick on January 25, 2007, 06:37:35 PM


KGB? J-R:

Question all you want...

I'm loving our victories. 




Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TeeDub on January 25, 2007, 06:57:33 PM
Quote from: Redlands Rick on January 25, 2007, 06:37:35 PM


KGB? J-R:

Question all you want...

I'm loving our victories. 


I guess that is the difference between us....I love our team.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on January 25, 2007, 11:19:09 PM
Rick-

I am sure you are right - I think Newhall, Kats, Rider, et al are just now figuring out who this Mazerei character is  ??? ::)

And how precisely would you condition a team to play against the system when the players who run the system can't do it for much more than 15-16 minutes a game?

As a Redlands booster it seems that you should just be pleased that so far this year the system seems to be accomplishing two of its main goals: 1) your good shooters are hard to keep track of amidst the chaos and, 2) by the end of the night the other team is run down and less effective.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciacguru on January 26, 2007, 12:47:15 AM
Quote from: scandihoovian on January 25, 2007, 11:19:09 PM
I am sure you are right - I think Newhall, Kats, Rider, et al are just now figuring out who this Mazerei character is  ??? ::)

Well....I think Rider has....
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DIIIghetto on January 26, 2007, 12:59:41 PM
SCIAC teams do as good of a job at scouting as anyone.  At least the Big 3 historically have, particularly Kats.  They definitely know how to scout Redlands.  Redlands is winning moreso because Gary has put subtle tweaks in on the defensive end.  They have always put up points.  We'll see if they can sweep the 2nd half.  I have my doubts.  I can't see PP losing to them at home.  CLU at Redlands will be another W that is tough for them.  CMS at home, well, unless Scali can find a way to stop his team from this downward spiral that makes no sense to anyone, then Redlands should get them.  I know Redlands will be looking forward to playing Oxy in their last game at Redlands.  Probably will have a huge contingent of former players.  Gym will be packed.  Judging how the Redlands players reacted in beating Oxy the other night, it is clear that they understand the significance of beating the highly regarded Tigers. 

And speaking of the Tigers, does that program teach defense to its perimeter players?  The luck of the banked 3 by Maz notwithstanding, they couldn't stop him again.  Some of the looks on the faces of Oxy's guards told the story...damn dogg, I can't stop this fool.   Hats off to that guy.  Rarely do you get the luxury of seeing good guards have that broken look on their face.  Kind of like the dude from Aurora who had his ankles broke by Song a couple of years ago. 

Kats is like a hunter with a loaded gun approaching a wounded deer. 



Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on January 26, 2007, 07:12:34 PM
Ghetto-

Solid post as usual - but I just wanted to point out that Redlands is at CLU on Feb. 7th.  I used to think that the old short court actually helped the Bulldogs maintain their pressure.  It will be fun to watch their first trip to the new gym.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DIIIghetto on January 26, 2007, 07:15:05 PM
Scandi, thanks for the correction.  I'll revise my prediction accordingly.  Very little likelihood that Redlands wins in that great new facility.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TeeDub on January 26, 2007, 07:40:29 PM
Quote from: scandihoovian on January 26, 2007, 07:12:34 PM
Ghetto-

Solid post as usual - but I just wanted to point out that Redlands is at CLU on Feb. 7th.  I used to think that the old short court actually helped the Bulldogs maintain their pressure.  It will be fun to watch their first trip to the new gym.

Quote from: DIIIghetto on January 26, 2007, 07:15:05 PM
Scandi, thanks for the correction.  I'll revise my prediction accordingly.  Very little likelihood that Redlands wins in that great new facility.

I think playing this particular Cal Lu team is difficult no matter where you play them.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on January 29, 2007, 10:51:40 AM
Sounds like the tigers did a great job in handling the leo's on saturday. Not to sure what's going on at the Super tents these days and why the mighty leo's are having a rough time. Hoprfully they can answer some of these questions or eventually fall even further down than Cal tech. Haha, just kidding

Bob, any eye witness reports from the tents? At what point did you see the Tiger bench clear out for the 1st string to get rest and the "B" unit to get experince? When was this game put away? Did Betty and whitman each drop 20 pts each? Did Sentor. Obmam finally get a chance to score a fade away shot before the half?
I understand that this is 1 small step in stay afloat at the top of the SCIAC, but this sure is the fire that the boys in Orange and black need to finish of a good month in Janurary.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DIIIghetto on January 29, 2007, 12:13:35 PM
Congrats to PP.   Kats bagged the buck and straightened things out in Claremont.  Another sweep was simply out of the question.  PP will run the table for 3 games and bring themselves back into the conversation.   

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciacguru on January 29, 2007, 09:13:13 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 29, 2007, 08:36:13 PM
The new Top 25 (http://www.d3hoops.com/top25) poll is out. Oxy dropped 3 spots to No. 18. Even more notably, Redlands appears in the "Others Receiving Votes" category, which goes to show what a big deal it is to beat the Tigers. Congratulations to the Bulldogs.

I am curious as to why Redlands is receiving votes.  Granted they beat Oxy (who should be in the top 20) at Eagle Rock.  But the Bulldogs did lose by 44 pts at home in a conference that is not well respected....while the Kingsmen have beaten two teams that are leading their conferences in Messiah (8-0) and Alvernia (9-1).   I truly believe that neither are deserving of votes....but for the sake of arguing...........
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on January 30, 2007, 12:13:33 AM
Well, it may be partially my fault, since a bunch of people noticed and listened in on the Oxy-Redlands game cause I posted the broadcast link on the Top 25 page. Like everything, recognition often takes effective publicity on top of actual merit. That's probably giving myself too much credit though. :D

I am a bit different from many of the HOFer posters in that I openly lobby for people and teams I am a fan of (based purely on whether or not they deserve it, I can be pretty hard on my own team, for example). I was a HUGE lobbyist for Oxy all season long and they, at least for a while, demonstrated that they deserve to be payed attention to. I honestly think Oxy is better than last year, but have no clue if that will transfer into any sort of postseason success. Their ranking was getting a little uncomfortably high for me before they lost to Redlands. 20 give or take a few seems more appropriate ( I have a feeling Oxy's close loss to St Thomas is helping them more than it should cause St Thomas is too high) The NWC tops seem a little down (i haven't had a chance to see any live though) so I don't know, I round one win doesn't seem out of the question. But they could end up making me look stupid, with a random slump last year. I hope not though. :)

Redlands absolutely had me fascinated last week. I really thought they could give some good teams fits if they play like that on a consistant basis. I haven't had a chance to look at QOWI numbers, but if they if they keep it up they could get a pool C, or A for that matter. I don't think its unreasonable for the voters to take notice of that - esp in light of how many of the teams which, like my alma mater, took deserving precipitous drops. If my team is really that close to deserving a ranking, and I am more impressed with how Redlands is playing than my team (Wheaton is playing nowhere near potential), then why not?

CLU vs Redlands coming up is going to be important (duh) in terms of CLU's recognition. Obviously Redlands will fall off the radar if they
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on January 30, 2007, 12:19:09 AM
(sorry, my phone has a text size limit) if they lose. CLU may not get on though unless they post a couple signature wins. If the perception is that a conference is weak, a team pretty much has to win out (like Amherst is doing) to gain national attention. Until SCIAC makes pretty consistant playoff runs, that's just the reality, and for arguably pretty darn good reason!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciacguru on January 30, 2007, 12:41:50 AM
Quote from: diehardfan on January 30, 2007, 12:19:09 AM
CLU may not get on though unless they post a couple signature wins.

Thanks for the insight diehardfan.

With all the publicity Redlands is getting, good or bad, I figured that had to be the main reason why they are receiving votes.  Any win over a top 25 team will be considered a "signature win."  Would the Kingsmen wins over Messiah and Alvernia be considered "signature wins?"  Granted the losses to Chapman and Pacific are "signature losses" because they are in region, but both sig. wins are against current conference leaders with great winning %'s.  I am not completely familiar with the QOWI, could anyone tell me what the QOWI's are for all the teams in SCIAC?

As I mentioned before, I dont think neither Cal Lu nor Redlands are deserving of votes, but it makes for interesting discussion.

And for a long shot...if Lewis and Clark wins the NWC...how does that improve CLU's chances?  I know, I know....a lot of what if's...but what the heck.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 30, 2007, 12:45:11 AM
Quote from: sciacguru on January 30, 2007, 12:41:50 AM
Quote from: diehardfan on January 30, 2007, 12:19:09 AM
CLU may not get on though unless they post a couple signature wins.

Thanks for the insight diehardfan.

With all the publicity Redlands is getting, good or bad, I figured that had to be the main reason why they are receiving votes.  Any win over a top 25 team will be considered a "signature win."  Would the Kingsmen wins over Messiah and Alvernia be considered "signature wins?"  Granted the losses to Chapman and Pacific are "signature losses" because they are in region, but both sig. wins are against current conference leaders with great winning %'s.  I am not completely familiar with the QOWI, could anyone tell me what the QOWI's are for all the teams in SCIAC?

As I mentioned before, I dont think neither Cal Lu nor Redlands are deserving of votes, but it makes for interesting discussion.

And for a long shot...if Lewis and Clark wins the NWC...how does that improve CLU's chances?  I know, I know....a lot of what if's...but what the heck.

There are about 40 conferences in Division III. Merely beating some conference's leader doesn't  stand for a whole lot. It's something I hear a lot of coaches try to use as spin to get into some ranking or another but the PnAC and the MACC are not world-beaters.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciacguru on January 30, 2007, 01:31:12 AM
Thanks Pat.

After looking at the other records within that conference.....I see what you mean.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DIIIghetto on January 30, 2007, 03:48:30 PM
Two SCIAC teams in February getting votes for the top 20.  Yes!!!!

Interestingly, it is two teams from the historic "Next 3" in the conference, as opposed to the "Big 3" as I call them.  Oxy was the first to entered those unchartered waters.  I'm glad we have CLU folks paying attention to it too.  Once you care about things like national respect/credibility/coming out of the D3armpit, then you can start the process.  Oxy gets it.  Or at least someone there does.  Redlands, well, I'll leave that one for others.  But I think that CLU has what they need infrastructure-wise to make some national noise.  With them it is only a matter of time. 

Since I got so much heat here for challenging CMS's non-conference schedule I have to point out that whatever their thought process was about playing NAIA comp to prepare them for conference play, well, that might want to be revisited.   Scheduling aside, the 1st half collapse out at CMS has been shocking to everyone.  I knew losing who they did would hurt, but had no idea the coaching staff was hiding the significance of those losses so well early in the year. 





Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on January 30, 2007, 03:58:54 PM
Quote from: DIIIghetto on January 30, 2007, 03:48:30 PM
Two SCIAC teams in February getting votes for the top 20.  Yes!!!!

Interestingly, it is two teams from the historic "Next 3" in the conference, as opposed to the "Big 3" as I call them.  Oxy was the first to entered those unchartered waters.  I'm glad we have CLU folks paying attention to it too.  Once you care about things like national respect/credibility/coming out of the D3armpit, then you can start the process.  Oxy gets it.  Or at least someone there does.  Redlands, well, I'll leave that one for others.  But I think that CLU has what they need infrastructure-wise to make some national noise.  With them it is only a matter of time. 

Since I got so much heat here for challenging CMS's non-conference schedule I have to point out that whatever their thought process was about playing NAIA comp to prepare them for conference play, well, that might want to be revisited.   Scheduling aside, the 1st half collapse out at CMS has been shocking to everyone.  I knew losing who they did would hurt, but had no idea the coaching staff was hiding the significance of those losses so well early in the year. 







As much as it pleases me to see Redlands doing well this year, I really can't wait until a new coach comes in next year. The TFS as it has been called will be gone and it will be back to real basketball. Redlands has the potential to be an elite D3 basketball program. All of the infrastructure and support for it to happen is in place.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on January 30, 2007, 04:38:29 PM
For what it's worth, I went to the three Chapman games that were played here in Dallas about ten days ago.  I talked to one of the Chapman dads.  His son is the high scorer on the team.  His feeling, and his son's, is that CMS was the toughest and best, team they faced from the SCIAC.  The team was physically beat from that game more than any they have faced.

Based on that, I am also surprised at the poor showing.  But, the second round is coming!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hoopsallthetime on January 30, 2007, 07:07:18 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 30, 2007, 04:19:56 PM
DIIIghetto:

I don't agree with your criticism of Claremont's non-conference schedule, but I am also confounded by the Stags' 2-4 conference record. I figured there'd be some fall off from last season from losing Taylor and Parsons, but I'm sure the CMS coaches and players are very disappointed with their results so far. I look for CMS to bring some order to the chaos and get a big road win tomorrow night at Cal Lutheran.

As for SCIAC teams improving enough to get Top 25 votes, the picture looks rosy. Pomona, CMS, and CLU all only have one senior on their rosters, and UOR only has two (Thank God that Mazarei is one of them; I've seen quite enough of that guy). The team with the biggest changeover coming is Oxy, which will lose Betty, Zebb, Kostic and Mills.

OxyBob

Thanks for the encouragement BOB, I'm sure that Stags are happy to hear what you have to say. The Truth is the Stags are ready to compete, and show the SCIAC what CHAOS they can bring to the rest of the SCIAC.

I'm glad someone finally realized that CMS was going to have a rough time without the likes of Taylor and Parson's on the floor. You just dont replace players like that. OXY will find that it isnt as easy to win without the likes of Betty, Zebb, Kostic, and Mills next year. You will see a significant drop next year in the conference. Don't get me wrong, CMS should have taken care of business with the likes of Redlands and Pomona at home, as well as Whittier on the road. I dont want to point fingers on what should have been done here and there, but obviously CMS has a way to go with all of the young players on the team. If you look back at the team last year, only Winterbottom, Borengasser, and Maceira played significant minutes last year, with Coury Clemens, Austin Soldner and Tejas Gala playing limited roles last year as backups. Maceira is playing like the SCIAC Player of the Year. Nobody in the conference has been able to stop him as his numbers have shown. The problem CMS is showing is the ability to score outside of Maceira. Turnovers have also been a problem. I beleive Coach Scalmanini will turn things around, and show the team they are in the second half of the coference. Everyone in the conference should be ready for the fury of "pride" that will come from the defending SCIAC champions in the second half. I believe the Stags will play well against CLU tomorrow night, and I hope they are not overlooking the Stags. The Stags still pack a very dangerous punch and can easily turn there season around in a hurry. Don't count them out, because I promise you they are not happy with how things have gone. Good luck to everyone tomorrow, and this ought to be a interesting race for the SCIAC Championship.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hoopsallthetime on January 30, 2007, 10:03:32 PM
Quote from: DIIIghetto on January 30, 2007, 03:48:30 PM
Since I got so much heat here for challenging CMS's non-conference schedule I have to point out that whatever their thought process was about playing NAIA comp to prepare them for conference play, well, that might want to be revisited.   Scheduling aside, the 1st half collapse out at CMS has been shocking to everyone.  I knew losing who they did would hurt, but had no idea the coaching staff was hiding the significance of those losses so well early in the year. 

So I have a question for you Ghetto:
Did CMS make a mistake last year by playing a tough preseason schedule, and then winning the SCIAC impressively with a 13-1 record. I dont know, maybe they should play the likes of La Sierra a lot more.
I am having a hard time understanding what you are saying  when it comes to CMS preseason schedule. The victories in the beginning of the season were hard fought, and nice victories for CMS. The problem that started in conference is the ability of coaches across the SCIAC being able to scout and prepare for the Stags. In the preseason, coaches dont have that opportunity to really watch a team 3 or more times. I'm sure, coaches across the SCIAC had plenty of opportunities to scout CMS just like Scalmanini did with the rest of the SCIAC. I guess what I am saying is...I would rather see CMS play the likes of GSAC, then play some crappy D3 team like La Sierra 3 times. Just remember this, CMS lost 2 1st team players in Parsons and Taylor, and then you come talk to me. That's what I thought!


EDITED to add appropriate quote formatting
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 31, 2007, 03:15:28 AM
Quote from: DIIIghetto on January 30, 2007, 03:48:30 PM
Two SCIAC teams in February getting votes for the top 20.  Yes!!!!

Interestingly, it is two teams from the historic "Next 3" in the conference, as opposed to the "Big 3" as I call them.

Yes, and I keep wondering how long the warranty lasts on that particular label. Occidental has finished in the league's top three over three of the past four years (that's as far back as either D3hoops.com or the SCIAC site go with regard to standings, so I don't know if Oxy starting this win-place-or-show streak earlier than that), and the Tigers finished a game out of second and two games out of first in the one season (2003-04) that they finished out of the money. Four years ago Occidental became the first SCIAC team in a generation to make it as far as the Elite Eight. And over those four years, Oxy's posted the best record in the league:

Occidental42-14
CMS41-15
PP39-17
Cal Lutheran33-23

Add in this year's results to date, and the margin for the Tigers grows even wider:

Occidental47-15
CMS43-19
PP42-20
Cal Lutheran38-24

Seems to me that at some point you ought to think about retiring that "Big 3" shtick. Just my outsider's opinion, of course.

Quote from: cmsstag on January 30, 2007, 10:03:32 PMDid CMS make a mistake last year by playing a tough preseason schedule,

Non-conference, not preseason. ;)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DIIIghetto on January 31, 2007, 01:51:21 PM
PC, very good point.  Maybe Oxy has flipped this thing on its head.  But to me the Big 3 earned that distinction over longer periods of time.  Walking into the Rains Center is like walking into the SCIAC's Pauley Pavillion with all of their banners.  Now granted, I would argue that without national success, those banners don't mean as much and I think other teams in the conference are starting to understand that.  Everyone needs to think Salem. 

CMS STAG

I would go easy on LSU, the same LSU that beat Paficic and LV this year and beat CLU, PP and OXY over past 4 years.  I would also try to schedule Chapman and UC Santa Cruz and make one road trip playing three D3's somewhere.  Add in a So Cal tourney with good snowbirds and you are almost up to 25 D3 games. 

More D3, less NAIA.  I know the trip to play Lowery at Pacific and the two losses to Chapman last year were tough, but don't be discouraged.  I have no idea how you CMS lost to Oxy twice last year with the talent of Parson-Taylor-Maceira.  But losing to Kats, Knowles and their 7 freshmen?  Must be some deep soul searching going on out there. 

That being said, CMS definitely has the talent to turn this around and beat just about everybody in the 2nd half.  Against the Tigers, try to sneak Mazzerei into a Stag uniform.  He is averaging 45 against Oxy's non-existent backcourt D.

I know times are tough out in Claremont, but try to keep your composure.



Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 31, 2007, 03:18:36 PM
Quote from: DIIIghetto on January 31, 2007, 01:51:21 PM
PC, very good point.

You're probably referring to Sager's point, no?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DIIIghetto on January 31, 2007, 04:28:16 PM
I always thought you and Sager were the same person...
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 01, 2007, 12:10:49 AM
Oxy 82, Whittier 60. Final!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciac_is_fun on February 01, 2007, 12:42:18 AM
CLU 51 CMS 49

CLU wins on a Deshion Iniss runner with 2 seconds left.  CMS had the ball with the game tied at 49 with 17 seconds left, and turned it over on a terrible backcourt violation right after an inbounds pass.  Don't know what the guy was thinking.  I got to listen to the end of it on CLU's radio broadcast, which was decent for a student doing it.  Happened to be a female broadcaster. 

Maceira was held to 11, Clemens had 16 for CMS, Meier led CLU with 16, Inniss had 13. 

Sounds like we've still got a three-way tie for first.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on February 01, 2007, 12:43:46 AM
tigersports, got to listen to my first oxy broadcast tonight.... great stuff, minus the part where my WMP kept cutting out.... :( Thanks for doing that despite what sounded like a very busy day for you! :o

I personally especially liked the part where you guys discussed the Valentine's Day game and whether or not you'd be able to broadcast. Sports and Valentines Day, the battle for the ages for most men, huh? Sounds like the wife is a reasonable sort though. All I know is that I really hope I don't marry a guy who dislikes sports!!!

I personally will be catching a great CLU - Oxy game that night live from The Beautiful NOT Ghettoized Eagle Rock ;) ... but that's just cause I'm single and can't think of any way to spend any night than being at a DIII basketball game... at least while I'm unmarried.  :-X :D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on February 01, 2007, 12:45:25 AM
Quote from: sciacguru on January 30, 2007, 12:41:50 AM
And for a long shot...if Lewis and Clark wins the NWC...how does that improve CLU's chances?  I know, I know....a lot of what if's...but what the heck.
Sometime when I am bored I promise to do some QOWI (the new name for SOSI) calculations. I've been hoping that d3hoops.com would post them like usual, and I'm sure they will... but am getting impatient! :D

And yeah, I tend to think that the MACC is a little better than most people, since they saved my eyes from hurting compared to a much weaker CAC when I was stuck in the Northern Virginia East Coast version of basketball Siberia.... but, yeah, the Messiah win doesn't mean as much as it could if it was another league's frontrunner as you have aptly discerned using the schedules.

The CLU ranking is going to be hurt by their preseason (just checking to see if Greg is paying attention) losses... I don't care how much they beat Redlands by in the first outing... the voters simply can't ignore that many games and take that one game into account in a vacuum. I just don't see them getting ranked unless they slaughter both Oxy and Redlands... and show how obviously they've improved since the non-conference season... if that makes sense?

The Greg-Pat comment was funny incidentally... K+ for that one for the humor, even though it couldn't be further from the truth. :) 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 01, 2007, 02:38:47 AM
Quote from: diehardfan on February 01, 2007, 12:45:25 AMThe Greg-Pat comment was funny incidentally... K+ for that one for the humor, even though it couldn't be further from the truth. :) 

My shoulders slump in exhaustion at the mere thought of living Pat's lifestyle.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciacguru on February 01, 2007, 03:32:17 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 01, 2007, 02:10:57 AM
Eyewitness report from Thousand Oaks:

Cal Lutheran 51, Claremont 49

Yet another brutal loss for Claremont. Tough nut first half; CLU led at the break, 24-23. Claremont led, 47-42, with 7:16 to go in the game, but didn't score another basket the rest of the way. CMS's free throw shooting was abysmal (3-for-10, 2-for-8 in the 2nd half), which kept CLU in the game. With the game tied at 49, Claremont had the ball out of bounds at midcourt with 16.8 seconds left. The ball was inbounded to Craig Borengasser in the front court, and he passed it to Coury Clemens. Unfortunately, Clemens had retreated to the backcourt, so CMS turned it over on a bizarre over-and-back with 14.9 seconds to go. CLU got the ball to Deshion Innis, the only Kingsmen guard who can and/or will drive to the basket. He worked his way in, put up a nice, soft floater and it bounced in with 2.6 seconds left. CMS threw long to Mani Maceria, who had a good look but his shot at the buzzer was wide left.

CLU will take the win, but the Kingsmen were hardly impressive, and struggled to score against CMS's matchup zone. As for Claremont, their defense is not the problem. Dan Winterbottom didn't play, and aside from Maceira the Stags had little offense. Maceira is pretty much alone out there. He had to shoot, rebound, and guard Zach Miller. He can't do everything.

The Gilbert Arena is a beautiful facility, but they must be joking calling it the Purple Pit. There were more CLU cheerleaders than CLU students in the stands.

OxyBob

Eyewitness Report from Thousand Oaks cont........

For the most part, OxyBob is correct.  But I think a few additions/corrections need to be made.
Maceira wasnt the lone soldier, in fact, #15 for CMS was the "scorer" of the game for both teams.  In fact he was the player of the game, in my observation.  Maceira didnt guard Miller...he guarded Meier...it was Miller who guarded Maceira.  #44 and #25 guarded Miller most of the game.  Maceira had his hands full with Miller...granted he made some hellacious shots, all in the 2nd half, but I thought Miller did a nice job on the best player in the SCIAC.  I havent seen a boxscore, but Maceira was no where near his 20+ pts.

**Edited....Clemons (#15) had 16 pts on 7-10 shooting.
http://www.clusports.com/mens_basketball/news/3392/

The missed FT's by CMS did keep CLU in the game, but I think an earlier post mentioning the CMS-TFS game touched on CMS' lack of FT shooting.  So is it really a shock?

And lastly, the Gilbert Arena is not referred to as the "Purple Pit" just as Rush Gym is not referred to as "The Black Hole."  But I too was disappointed in the lack of attendance by the student body.  I  look forward to reading the next few posts when I return from my trip.  Make it good OxyBob....like you normally do.

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on February 01, 2007, 11:35:02 AM
Guru and Bob-

Thanks for the posts on the CLU-CMS game last night.  I'm sorry I missed it - but very glad that CLU pulled out the victory.  Thus far this group of Kingsmen seems to know how to find a way to win.   I enjoyed your somewhat contrasting descriptions of events - sort of like reading the sports pages from two different cities.  Bob, you wouldn't have maybe been pulling for a CMS victory to help your Tigers, would you? ;) ;D

I'm impressed that this young CLU team made it through the first half of conference play 6-1.  They do have Oxy, PP and CMS on the road the next time through which will certainly be a challenge.  Should be a fun second half of the conference season.

As for the CLU students lack of attendance, well it's too bad but ultimately their loss.  I'm pretty sure I don't need to make any arguments on this board for how much fun it is to take in a D3 basketball game on a Wednesday night...
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on February 01, 2007, 12:45:21 PM
Great eyewitness reports from the "land of the Who" fellas. Congrats to both Cal Lu and the Men in Orange and Black for their big Victories.  The meeting between both schools on Feb 14 sounds like it should be the SCIAC "game of the week", brought to us by Tigersports and Co.
From the sounds of it, the Kingsmen have a decent Defense that has been able to hold their opposing units to low double digits. If so, do the kingsmens have a similar defense to what Chapam runs????? When will their offense come alive?

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on February 01, 2007, 02:59:43 PM
It will Absolutely be a massacre for the Kingsmen of the round Purple Pit come Feb. 14. I hope to catch that game at Rush gym after work. So i hope that any of you Cal Lu, Diehardfans,and Oxy posters will be on hand to witness the Tigers breaking hearts of so many CAl lu faithful.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tom Brady on February 01, 2007, 03:37:39 PM
Here is my thought on that Bob & Eagle.....
If Cal Lu has that tough of a time with the other SCIAC teams (CMS, P-P, and obviously OXY) at home, I have a bad feeling they will get stomped in the up-coming games at those schools.  They will only hang their hats on the team that beat Redlands twice.............maybe ;)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 01, 2007, 03:56:14 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 01, 2007, 02:02:52 PM
with the Peligro! Piso Mojado pylons doubling as megaphones, the students from CMS aren't going to be chanting "Safety School!" at the CLU students anytime soon.


Peligro!  Piso Mojado   :D :D :D

A friend of mine attended a lecture at Harvard last fall with the discussion of a bilingual United States of America.

The distinguished speaker to the hoity-toity assembled disparaged any thought of any language other than English being the dominant language in the US.  After all, the US was where "languages came to die."

I just had to laugh at his ignorace.  They don't have a half-billion speakers of Spanish on the other side of the Rio Grande, walking across, one hyperfecund family at a time. 

I say give it about another 10 years and they will be crossing the River Charles!   ;D

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 01, 2007, 04:28:12 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 01, 2007, 04:20:35 PM
Repetición después de mí con gusto:

Parquee el coche en la Yarda de Harvard.

OxyBob

Pahquee el cahche en la Yahda de Hahvahd.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 01, 2007, 04:35:41 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on February 01, 2007, 04:28:12 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 01, 2007, 04:20:35 PM
Repetición después de mí con gusto:

Parquee el coche en la Yarda de Harvard.

OxyBob

Pahquee el cahche en la Yahda de Hahvahd.
el LOL!  (  :o >:( ??? :-[ :-\ Where is that upside-down exclamation point?  I am defeated!  +1 David!)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on February 01, 2007, 04:51:32 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 01, 2007, 04:35:41 PM
  :o >:( ??? :-[ :-\ Where is that upside-down exclamation point?  I am defeated!  +1 David!)
That will be standard on the keyboards in ten years also. :D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 02, 2007, 05:13:03 AM
Donde esta el "bubbla"?

Que significado de "wicked pissah"?

Viva Calcetins Rojo!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on February 03, 2007, 08:12:10 PM
I'm really looking forward to the Redlands-Pomona game tonight, it will be an interesting way to gauge Redland's Top 25 worthiness, as Pomona lost earlier this year to Wash U, who currently has a #1 vote and a very high ranking (which is soon about to come back to earth after their loss to NYU). If Pomona wins tonight, home game and all, I would expect Redlands to drop off of people's radars nationally. I think this would be the case even though they would still be very much in the hunt for the SCIAC auto bid.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on February 03, 2007, 11:59:28 PM
well... redlands blew a 4 pt halftime lead and is currently down 17 at pomona with 2 to go... this is one ugly game... lots of bad passes and missed fts and sloppy boards... there have been a lot of fouls and deadtime... no time for redlands to wear pomona down... redlands actually looks more tired and complete panic is seriously taking them out of their game
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CalCat on February 04, 2007, 03:11:53 PM
Quote from: diehardfan on February 03, 2007, 11:59:28 PM
well... redlands blew a 4 pt halftime lead and is currently down 17 at pomona with 2 to go... this is one ugly game... lots of bad passes and missed fts and sloppy boards... there have been a lot of fouls and deadtime... no time for redlands to wear pomona down... redlands actually looks more tired and complete panic is seriously taking them out of their game
Knowels clutch 3's in the second half was the difference and gave Pomona the separation needed .  Pomona very patient early on willing to work inside for 2's.  It was a sloppy game but for a first timer seeing Redlands was entertaining.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on February 04, 2007, 03:39:58 PM
Quote from: CalCat on February 04, 2007, 03:11:53 PM
Quote from: diehardfan on February 03, 2007, 11:59:28 PM
well... redlands blew a 4 pt halftime lead and is currently down 17 at pomona with 2 to go... this is one ugly game... lots of bad passes and missed fts and sloppy boards... there have been a lot of fouls and deadtime... no time for redlands to wear pomona down... redlands actually looks more tired and complete panic is seriously taking them out of their game
Knowels clutch 3's in the second half was the difference and gave Pomona the separation needed .  Pomona very patient early on willing to work inside for 2's.  It was a sloppy game but for a first timer seeing Redlands was entertaining.
Ugh, you should see them when they are playing well! It makes you think that this system of basketball is genius and that it totally works when these guys are having a decent night shooting.

I actually think the turning point was the flagrant foul on the made basket. Pomona gets 2 pts, then two fts, and then the ball on a possession they score on? At that point Pomona was already a little ahead, but after that, Redlands found themselves down a lot, and flat out came unglued. They started throwing stuff up that wasn't wise (and yes, for all the systemesqe haters out there, much more bad shot selection than normal :P ) and it just started to look, well, ugly. In what was probably the ultimate "never give up" that I have ever witnessed, Amir Mazarei found his game threw up three consecutive beautiful long treys to make the score more respectable... but it was too little too late for the Redlands squad.

I still very much believe that Redlands is a good squad, but they need more poise than that in games when they get down. Obviously they proved that they're capable of that, the game @ Oxy was evidence enough.... but they didn't have that poise last night.... and the Pomona crowd was much less hostile than the Oxy one. They will need to refind that poise for their game @ CLU on Wednesday or they will see themselves on the outside looking in all the important ways.

As a random aside to the game, when I walked into the gym right before half time was about to end (darn LA traffic) I walked right by the Pomona guys in huddle. Their rallying cry was basically "F--- that half" (in reference to their first half). Apparently they did. Soo funny!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on February 05, 2007, 01:55:44 AM
Redlands lost to a good team yesterday. Hopefully, if the Dawgs do it right then they will be in the playoffs. Right now though they need to win out. It would be a fitting way to send out Gary Smith. As much as I have hated his coaching over the years I do recognize his service to the University as both a player and a coach. Go Dawgs!!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on February 05, 2007, 12:05:57 PM
Congrats to the hens on their win against the dawgs. Sounds like Mr. Knowles found his rythm again and is clearly leading by example in getting his teammates to fight hard and win. If they keep this up i am sure they will bounce CMS out of the top of the SCIAC and will face it off with Oxy come March/April.

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on February 05, 2007, 06:51:22 PM
Front page props for the SCIAC and Redlands! Woo!

http://www.d3hoops.com/

His 5'11" roster height may be smaller than my 5'9" actual height*, but Mazarei sure is fun to watch shoot! I think the real question on everyone's minds is.... will he hit 3000 before the end of the season?? ;)

*(Ironically, was a 5"11" roster height too back when I played in HS.... silly coaches that make this stuff up... as if the opposing team is ever actually fooled :P)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TeeDub on February 05, 2007, 07:26:21 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 05, 2007, 07:22:53 PM
That's a great picture of Mazarei on the front page.

Here's another face shot of the Redlands sharpshooter:

http://www.nihtraining.com/ctn/confidentiality/images/pixelface.jpg

OxyBob

We're still trying to keep him a secret...:D ;D :D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 05, 2007, 07:29:27 PM
That was the best of the ones they had on the site. Did kinda look a little like 2002 all over again to me. :)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TeeDub on February 05, 2007, 07:35:20 PM
Oxy moves up to #14 in the polls (congrats)...I'm surprised that Cal Lutheran isn't even getting any votes...
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 05, 2007, 07:51:52 PM
If they're going to lose to Chapman, Pacific and Willamette then they should try to follow that with a win against Occidental if they want to get votes.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciacguru on February 05, 2007, 10:01:56 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 05, 2007, 09:14:04 PM
Jordis Rocks:

I have seen Cal Lutheran play 5 times. I'm not at all surprised the Kingsmen don't have any Top 25 votes. I'm surprised they're 7-1 in the conference.

OxyBob

I too agree that CLU is not deserving of votes.  But we all know your observational skills are weak at best, OxyBob.  Your report on the CLU/CMS game was way off.  And when you tried to substantiate your responses....well they were wrong as well.

And this discussion of CLU receiving votes was based upon Redlands receiving votes last week.  Now my argument, as well as Jordis, was to find out why Redlands was receiving votes rather than CLU.  Granted, UR did beat Oxy, but CLU did beat UR....by 45 pts on their home court.

I believe Oxy is a talented team and probably deserving of being in the top 25, but I truly feel the top 25 rankings are skewed.  Lets start with Oxy.  Outside of St Thomas, who have the Tigers played at the D3 level that really is any good?  Their 2 toughest D3 games outside of SCIAC are Wisconsin Lutheran and Williams...both .500 teams.

Next team....Aurora.  Does their schedule really grant them their position in the top 25?

If you were to break down the QOWI or strength of schedule for the top 25, would it be the same as the votes?  Probably not.  I would love to see that breakdown.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TeeDub on February 05, 2007, 11:45:55 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 05, 2007, 07:51:52 PM
If they're going to lose to Chapman, Pacific and Willamette then they should try to follow that with a win against Occidental if they want to get votes.

Good point...but let's take a look at Puget Sound for a moment...OT win against Chapman, losses to Pacific and Willamette...now I know those teams are not necessarily the measuring stick, but since you referenced them...
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciacguru on February 06, 2007, 12:43:50 AM
Quote from: Jordis Rocks on February 05, 2007, 11:45:55 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 05, 2007, 07:51:52 PM
If they're going to lose to Chapman, Pacific and Willamette then they should try to follow that with a win against Occidental if they want to get votes.

Good point...but let's take a look at Puget Sound for a moment...OT win against Chapman, losses to Pacific and Willamette...now I know those teams are not necessarily the measuring stick, but since you referenced them...

And how do the wins over Lewis and Clark, Alvernia (front page), and Messiah rank?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 06, 2007, 02:37:02 AM
Quote from: Jordis Rocks on February 05, 2007, 11:45:55 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 05, 2007, 07:51:52 PM
If they're going to lose to Chapman, Pacific and Willamette then they should try to follow that with a win against Occidental if they want to get votes.

Good point...but let's take a look at Puget Sound for a moment...OT win against Chapman, losses to Pacific and Willamette...now I know those teams are not necessarily the measuring stick, but since you referenced them...

Yet they beat Chapman, where CLU did not, and they beat Whitworth, which would've been the equivalent of CLU beating Occidental.

Quote from: sciacguru on February 06, 2007, 12:43:50 AM
And how do the wins over Lewis and Clark, Alvernia (front page), and Messiah rank?

Count how many votes they have combined and do the math. Is the front page some magic wand that turns a team into a ranked opponent?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TeeDub on February 06, 2007, 11:22:47 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 06, 2007, 02:37:02 AM
Quote from: Jordis Rocks on February 05, 2007, 11:45:55 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 05, 2007, 07:51:52 PM
If they're going to lose to Chapman, Pacific and Willamette then they should try to follow that with a win against Occidental if they want to get votes.

Good point...but let's take a look at Puget Sound for a moment...OT win against Chapman, losses to Pacific and Willamette...now I know those teams are not necessarily the measuring stick, but since you referenced them...

Yet they beat Chapman, where CLU did not, and they beat Whitworth, which would've been the equivalent of CLU beating Occidental.


And Whitworth lost to Lewis and Clark, who Cal Lu beat....yes, UPS beat Whitworth, but I have a little issue with Whitworth as well.  Whitworth did have the early season win over Wheaton (and I do appreciate the value of that win on the road even though Wheaton was probably ranked a little high at the time), other than that, what has WW done to be ranked so high...?

It's all just discussion, but I was merely asking why Cal Lu wouldn't even garner any consideration...ultimately, I guess it comes down to 'opinion'.  I just think comparatively speaking to some of the ranked teams, Cal Lu has done what they need to do of late.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on February 06, 2007, 11:32:16 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 06, 2007, 02:37:02 AM
Quote from: sciacguru on February 06, 2007, 12:43:50 AM
And how do the wins over Lewis and Clark, Alvernia (front page), and Messiah rank?

Count how many votes they have combined and do the math. Is the front page some magic wand that turns a team into a ranked opponent?

I am no different than anyone else on this board as far as arguing for top 25 votes for the Kingsmen.  If I was a top 25 voter I wouldn't include them on my ballot either at this point.  But Pat, I don't think that Guru is arguing for top 25 votes, just some  consideration for CLU as a possible pool C team.  The front page article on Alvernia posits that they will be in the running for a Pool C bid if they continue to play well, why would the same situation not apply to CLU if they finish the season strongly? (especially since CLU beat Alvernia early in the season)

I know it might be an issue of regional strength and the number of pool C bids available in the west - and I know it's still early and the Kingsmen still can control their own destiny by getting hot and winning out.  No easy task, especially with Oxy, PP, and CMS on the road, but it will make for a great second half of the season. :)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciacguru on February 06, 2007, 02:15:47 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 06, 2007, 02:37:02 AM
Count how many votes they have combined and do the math. Is the front page some magic wand that turns a team into a ranked opponent?

Whoaaaaaaaaa Nellieeeeeeeeeee!  Hold the horses!! No need to get defensive and snippy!  You are holding a grudge similar to OxyBob with the CMS student body....calling his beloved alma mater a "Safety School."

At no time did I turn Alvernia into a ranked opponent.  At no time did I make reference to Alvernia even sniffing the Top 25.  I just asked a simple question.......
Quote
And how do the wins over Lewis and Clark, Alvernia (front page), and Messiah rank?

Like Scandi said....if Alvernia is on its way to a Pool C bid (possibly, maybe, if and only if, etc...), where does CLU fall with their wins over the above mentioned schools since they have beaten Alvernia.

I am glad Oxy is in the top 25, I am happy to see that Redlands is getting votes.  It is good to see the SCIAC get some pub on the front page and in the voting.....top 25 or other.  I just thought I would humbly ask you HOFers for your D3hoops worldy insight. I thought the message board was created for this type of discussion. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 06, 2007, 03:04:17 PM
Those wins don't counteract the losses, nor do they have the value of a potential win against Occidental. But we know that, right? Did I really need to spell that out for you?

And I agree Whitworth is too high, but I only get one ballot.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pineconefan on February 06, 2007, 04:22:39 PM
Pat, you may only get one ballot, but I am sure your campaigning carries weight...
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on February 06, 2007, 11:37:47 PM
I know I'm being something of persistent hair splitter - but I am still trying to figure out why Alvernia would necessarily be in a stronger position than CLU at this point.  In looking at their schedule it does not appear that their losses have come at the hands of top notch opponents - and I am also trying to figure out who they've beaten to give them a signature win.  So to use Pat's phrasing, I guess I'm just curious as to why their wins counteract their losses more than CLU's.

On another note, tomorrow night should be a much more exciting evening of basketball than last Saturday.  CMS has a chance (at home) to make an impact on the conference race, and as Bob already pointed out, Redlands is in a more or less must win situation at CLU. It will be fun to watch events unfold...
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 06, 2007, 11:40:34 PM
Quote from: pineconefan on February 06, 2007, 04:22:39 PM
Pat, you may only get one ballot, but I am sure your campaigning carries weight...

I don't campaign.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 06, 2007, 11:43:38 PM
Quote from: scandihoovian on February 06, 2007, 11:37:47 PM
I know I'm being something of persistent hair splitter - but I am still trying to figure out why Alvernia would necessarily be in a stronger position than CLU at this point. 

Because the front page story is talking about NCAA selection. That's based on regional records, as always.

Alvernia is 16-2 in-region and Cal Lutheran is 8-5.

I hope there's not another attempt to parse things coming from you. This is getting tiresome.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 06, 2007, 11:50:14 PM
Quote from: scandihoovian on February 06, 2007, 11:37:47 PM
I know I'm being something of persistent hair splitter - but I am still trying to figure out why Alvernia would necessarily be in a stronger position than CLU at this point.  In looking at their schedule it does not appear that their losses have come at the hands of top notch opponents - and I am also trying to figure out who they've beaten to give them a signature win.  So to use Pat's phrasing, I guess I'm just curious as to why their wins counteract their losses more than CLU's.

You're using language of poll voting ("signature win," "losses at the hands of top notch opponents"), but the Alvernia discussion revolves around their Pool C chances which does not (directly) consider these things.  Alvernia has an in-region win percentage of .889, while CLU's is just .615.  As this is one of the five primary selection criteria, Alvernia has a significant leg up on CLU if it ever came down to a decision between them for a Pool C bid.  I don't know how their QoWIs stack up, but the disparity in the regional win % suggests that Alvernia's QoWI is probably also higher than CLU's. 

By contrast, the poll voters would never do something as idiotic as to compare Alvernia's record against Mid-Atlantic teams to CLU's record against Western teams and hope to find any useful signs there.  Instead they look at things like "signature wins;" Alvernia's best win is probably (ho-hum) Baldwin-Wallace, and CLU's is (yawn) Redlands, so that may help explain why neither team is getting a sniff at the poll.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciacguru on February 07, 2007, 01:06:25 AM
DC...

Thanks for taking the 1 minute to simply explain the discussion at hand.  I hope it did not fatique you in any way.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on February 07, 2007, 01:35:07 AM
Pat-

I am just a guy who's trying to understand the big picture, and I appreciate replies such as David's which broaden my understanding, and hopefully the understanding of others on this board.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 07, 2007, 02:14:56 AM
I guess I'm amazed that after so many years of the same playoff system, there is still such misunderstanding of it. It's not like you guys are new to the site.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on February 07, 2007, 04:15:55 AM
I'll try and make this into a proper table when I get the chance....

teamW-L.PctQOWI
UW-Stevens Point (WIAC)17-1.94411.667
St. Thomas (MIAC)20-2.90910.364
St. John's (MIAC)17-2.89510.211
Whitworth (NWC)16-2.88910.167
Occidental (SCIAC)  9-2.81810.182
Redlands (SCIAC)  9-2.81809.455
Puget Sound (NWC)13-3.81309.625
UW-Oshkosh (WIAC)15-4.78910.158
Loras (IIAC)13-4.76509.706
Coe (IIAC)14-5.73709.737
Lewis & Clark (NWC)11-4.73309.214
Bethel (MIAC)14-6.70008.800
               
(This table courtesy of GS. You're welcome, April. ;))

My Projected West Rankings:

1)   Stevens Point
2)   St Thomas
3)   St Johns
4)   Whitworth
5)   Occidental
6)   Oshkosh
7)   Puget Sound

The next one: Redlands

Sorry guys, you QOWI really stinks!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 07, 2007, 05:11:24 AM
Quote from: scandihoovian on February 06, 2007, 11:32:16 AMI know it might be an issue of regional strength and the number of pool C bids available in the west

You're several years out of date with regard to the way Pool C bids are distributed, 'hoovian. There aren't a fixed number per region anymore; Pool C bids are distributed on a national basis. The West Region could get a dozen of them, or none at all. It's all up to the individual teams under consideration in terms of how they match up in the five primary criteria with the other Pool C candidates across the country. Also, regional strength does not enter into the picture at all. In the eyes of the selection committee, all regions are created equal -- even though the Posting Up consensus is that there are definitely strong and weak regions within D3.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on February 07, 2007, 11:42:42 AM
Thanks again to all of you who have posted.  I think I'm starting to get a better grip on things.  I apologize for not having a stronger understanding of the system, I guess it's because until last year it was clear you pretty much had to win the SCIAC to get a berth.

I have a quick question as it relates to QOWI - is it the same formula as football (and do out of region games count)?  I've noticed that Pat has posted some QOWI top 100's on the Pool C board and even if CLU is at 9.2 (which is from my own rough calculation based on the fb formula) that doesn't necessarily put the Kingsmen high up on the list.

And thanks Diehard, for crunching the QOWI's  - just in trying to calculate CLU's I realized how much work that is  :)


Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 07, 2007, 11:53:53 AM
Basically, QoWI is calculated as follows:
* Regional games only
* Each win is worth 8 points
* Each road or neutral game is worth 1 point
* You get points based on the regional win % of your opponents as follows:
   > Win % .667 or higher=6 points
   > Win % .500 or higher=4 points
   > Win % .333 of higher=2 points
   > Win % below .333=0 points
* Total up the points and divide by number of regional games

Whether that is the same as football I don't know, or care.  The formula is expressed somewhat differently in the Handbook and in this site's FAQ section (http://www.d3hoops.com/faq.php?question=35) (expressed in terms of home/road win/loss over opponent with win % of X = N points), but for me, this is the easiest way to think of it.

And no, 9.2 is not terribly good.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on February 07, 2007, 12:28:09 PM
Thanks for the explanation, David.

I've got it, and promise I'll do my best to take over as the "QOWI educator of first resort" on the SCIAC board  :)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on February 07, 2007, 02:19:04 PM
Quote from: scandihoovian on February 07, 2007, 11:42:42 AM
I have a quick question as it relates to QOWI - is it the same formula as football (and do out of region games count)?  I've noticed that Pat has posted some QOWI top 100's on the Pool C board and even if CLU is at 9.2 (which is from my own rough calculation based on the fb formula) that doesn't necessarily put the Kingsmen high up on the list.

And thanks Diehard, for crunching the QOWI's  - just in trying to calculate CLU's I realized how much work that is  :)

The answer to your question is in the FAQs... well, David already answered. Pat sure puts a lot of great stuff on this site.  ;D :D ;)

It wouldn't take me too long to crunch CLUs if you want me to.... I've probably already got the point values of most of the games they played on the BIG spreadsheet I made last night when doing that spreadsheet.

And yes, it took me forever. Last night at around 1am I was thinking... uhm, why am I doing this again? ??? And why am I doing this many teams again?  ??? ??? ??? And why am I not doing this for the region my alma mater is actually in??? :D As I was packing for my business trip today at like 3am I felt pretty silly. When I got to work this morning I felt like I was dying. But I was really just tired. The funny part about it is that my eyes were extra sensitive to light... I probably looked like I had a hangover. I think it's time to establish PUA.*

I think it will become clear when the regional rankings are published how much it would have helped the SCIAC teams to play more regional games this year. It's hard to compete win percentage wise when you have the same number of losses (no matter how few) and half the regional wins as Point or the MIAC schools. I understand why you do the things you do.... I just guarantee it will hurt you, and it's a shame, cause I sure would LOVE to be able to see a sectional.  8) :-X

*Posting Up Anonymous
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 07, 2007, 02:49:21 PM
I apologize that the QOWI calculation setup is not complete and available that we have used in the past here. Since we no longer keep schedule and results in-house, we have to get new software written to do the calculations.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on February 07, 2007, 02:55:58 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 07, 2007, 02:49:21 PM
I apologize that the QOWI calculation setup is not complete and available that we have used in the past here. Since we no longer keep schedule and results in-house, we have to get new software written to do the calculations.
Well, get on that!  :P Just kidding!!!!  :D ;) :-X
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Former Player/ Former Coach on February 07, 2007, 03:42:49 PM
This is how it is printed exactly in the '07 Handbook.

championships):
• Win-loss percentage against regional opponents
• Quality-of-Wins-Index (only contests versus regional competition)
Win on the road versus a team at or above .667
15 points
Win at home versus a team at or above .667
14 points
Win on the road versus a team at or above .500, but below .667
13 points
Win at home versus a team at or above .500, but below .667
12 points
Win on the road versus a team at or above .333, but below .500
11 points
Win at home versus a team at or above .333, but below .500
10 points
Win on the road versus a team below .333
9 points
Win at home versus a team below .333
8 points
Loss on the road versus a team at or above .667
7 points
Loss at home versus a team at or above .667
6 points
Loss on the road versus a team at or above .500, but below .667
5 points
Loss at home versus a team at or above .500, but below .667
4 points
Loss on the road versus a team at or above .333, but below .500
3 points
Loss at home versus a team at or above .333, but below .500
2 points
Loss on the road versus a team below .333
1 point
Loss at home versus a team below .333
0 pointsThe
Quality-of-Wins-Index is calculated by adding the total number of points and dividing by the number of games.
A neutral game is defined as being in neither team's locale and, as such, is awarded as if it were an away game.
The Quality-of-Wins-Index is calculated for ratings at the time of the ranking calls and using final results for selection purposes.
• In-region head-to-head competition.
• In-region results vs. common regional opponents.
• In-region results vs. regionally ranked teams
Ranked opponents are defined as those teams ranked at the time of the ranking/selection process only.
Conference postseason contest(s) is included.
Contest versus provisional members in their third and fourth years shall count in the primary criteria. Provisional members shall remain ineligible for rankings and selection.
Secondary Criteria. For ranking and selection:
• Out-of-region head-to-head competition.
• Overall Division III won-loss percentage.
• Results versus common non-Division III opponents.
• Results versus Division III teams ranked in other regions.
• Overall win-loss percentage.
• Results versus common out-of-region opponents.
• Overall Division III Quality of Wins.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on February 07, 2007, 04:53:28 PM
Quote from: diehardfan on February 07, 2007, 04:15:55 AM
My Projected West Rankings:

1)   Stevens Point
2)   St Thomas
3)   St Johns
4)   Whitworth
5)   Occidental
6)   Oshkosh
7)   Puget Sound

The next one: Redlands

Sorry guys, you QOWI really stinks!

First regional rankings have just been posted.  DHF, nearly a clean sweep . . . well done!

West Region
1 UW-Stevens Point 18-2 17-1
2 St. Thomas 18-2 18-2
3 St. John's 16-5 16-2
4 Whitworth 18-2 15-2
5 Occidental 14-4 9-2
6 UW-Oshkosh 18-4 15-4
7 Loras 15-5 13-3
8 Puget Sound 16-4 13-3

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on February 07, 2007, 05:23:34 PM
Quote from: Sabretooth Tiger on February 07, 2007, 04:53:28 PM
First regional rankings have just been posted.  DHF, nearly a clean sweep . . . well done!
It's pretty easy, once you know what the criteria are and have the data in front of you.... I'm trained to be analytical... thanks to my d3 science education I'm an analytical machine that I think basically still managed to maintain "some" of her quirkyness in the process. I love small college education!  ;D

The only curve was that apparently there are more spots in in the rankings.... that's probably because a few more UMAC schools are further down their provisional status or no longer provisional.

It's really important to know how the committee in a particular region thinks, each region weighs the set of criteria slightly differently (you'll note how there's no numerical order to how they are picked so it's a little bit an art in addition to stats :D ). Some favor the QOWI faithfully, some are sticklers for the In-region win percent. Eventually I'll learn to feel out the West region committee better. The West's committee, in my opinion, was actually very insightful to stick Loras in there though it surprised me a bit. Someone from the IIAC has to make the tourney, and they have had a few decent teams of late. Their QOWI is better than Redlands, and Loras has a win over UW-Lax whereas Oshkosh has lost to Redlands twice. Anyhow, I think the better you understand the regional rankings, the more evident it becomes that the very few games that Oxy and Redlands have in region (but out of conference) hurt them in the selection process. All of the top four teams have 18+ regional games for the committee to look at, whereas Oxy and Redlands both only have 11.  :-\
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on February 07, 2007, 05:56:44 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 07, 2007, 05:51:55 PM
I have no problem with the regional rankings aside from the continued absurdity that the NCAA considers teams from Wisconsin and Minnesota to be in the west.

OxyBob
I agree. It's sorta silly. But in order to change things we're going to have to pack it in tighter with tons and tons of people in western Colorado and wyoming and.... hmmm, never mind. There's just too much open space between the midwest and the west coast where d3 schools pop up again.... and it's better that way. :D ;)

I personally think it's almost more absurd that some schools from Illinois and Wisconsin are in the midwest, and others are in the West.  ::)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 07, 2007, 05:59:43 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 07, 2007, 05:51:55 PM
I have no problem with the regional rankings aside from the continued absurdity that the NCAA considers teams from Wisconsin and Minnesota to be in the west.

Well, get more west coast teams then. They are the westernmost 50-some teams. You can't have an entire region of 25 teams. Then your regional rankings would have four teams in them. :)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciac_is_fun on February 08, 2007, 12:15:00 AM
95-85 Kingsmen  1:15 to go.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciac_is_fun on February 08, 2007, 12:27:51 AM
CLU 97 Redlands 90  Final

Kingsmen D is strong again -- I'm pretty sure Redlands had a total of 12 threes for the game.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciac_is_fun on February 08, 2007, 12:30:10 AM
CMS 68 Oxy 51  !!!

(Someone confirm this please)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Stags4Life on February 08, 2007, 01:16:21 AM
Confirmed.  OXY cannot win in our house.  It did not help that Connor Whitman came into Ducey running his mouth. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on February 08, 2007, 01:22:43 AM
Whose house?  Yeah, the place is about as big as my house, but I bet there are more people at my house right now than were at the game.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on February 08, 2007, 05:43:39 AM
does it really matter who is in the stands or who won?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on February 08, 2007, 10:58:11 AM
I'm surprised at the news from Claremont - not so much that the Stags pulled out a victory, but more that it looks like they did it in convincing fashion.  I'd love to hear from anybody who can shed light on the keys to the large margin of victory for CMS...

The CLU-Redlands game was an exciting one.  It was my first chance to see the Bulldogs play this year, and they appear to have made a number of tweaks to the system.  Gone are the days when anyone who was in bounds had the green light - they also seemed much more focused on rebounding, they had a number of key baskets on put backs.  They are also a lot less willing to give up the quick layup in order to get the ball back.  Their defense under the basket was much more tenacious than in recent years.  Now that I've seen them play it's easier to understand the success they've had this year.

For their part, the Kingsmen did a great job of staying with Redlands' shooters.  CLU did not take a shot outside 6-8 feet themselves all night.  Their discipline on both ends was impressive  - their consistency (and a nice run of made FT's by Andy Meier) helped them pull ahead in the final minutes.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hoopsallthetime on February 08, 2007, 01:29:51 PM
Quote from: tigersports on February 08, 2007, 01:22:43 AM
Whose house?  Yeah, the place is about as big as my house, but I bet there are more people at my house right now than were at the game.

First I am going to start of with Tigersports. I don't know if you were at the game, and I am thinking you were probably not. So I am going to shed some light into that little dark tunnel you call your life. Probably the reason why there wasn't very many people at the game last night was due to the death of one of our football players named William Wagner who died at the age of 20 the night before. Here's whats on the Mckenna website.

"William died in the early morning hours at Doctors Hospital Montclair, where he was taken by paramedics after collapsing in his room. According to the San Bernardino County Coroner's Office, his death was the result of a cerebral aneurysm."

I guess our house may not be that big in regards to size, but when it comes to compassion I say we are at the top of our league. That is all I have to say to you. No wait, I do have one more thing to say. Your team got spanked last night, and if you can pass on something to Connor Whittman from everyone who loves the Stag basketball program. "Please keep running your mouth and getting our guys going, because everytime you start opening your mouth and telling our team you are going to spank us this year and the next, all we do is kick your butt." Last night showed it. Connors going to find out real quick how hard it is to win next year without the likes of BETTY, MILLS, ZEBB, & KOSTIC.  By the way for everyone who might not no already in tigerland, the Stags bring everyone back next year except our captain Coury Clemons. Enough said!!!


"I'm surprised at the news from Claremont - not so much that the Stags pulled out a victory, but more that it looks like they did it in convincing fashion.  I'd love to hear from anybody who can shed light on the keys to the large margin of victory for CMS..."

Last night's game was an illustration of how good the Stag defense really is. Betty, Mills, and Kostic had no impact on the game last night. They were frustrated the whole night. The first half was a typical CMS vs. OXY contest. Both teams played tremendous defense, and scored on almost every posession. The Stags offense was the best I've seen it in the conference this year. The Stags scored on 7 of it's first 8 possessions. The Stag guards took every opportunity to take the ball to the hoop, and render fouls from the OXY big men. Betty had two fouls in the first 6 minutes of the game. With bad foul shooting from the stags, and several offensive rebounds from OXY, the game easily could have had the stags up by 10 at halftime. The Stags shot 6-15 from the foul line in the first half, and gave up 7 offensive rebounds.
The second half started off with a meeting at half court with Coach Newheisal and Coach Scalmanini that I would later find out had to due with Connor Whitman. I guess Whitman had been running his mouth the whole game, and later would I find out had to deal with Coach Scalmanini. Whitman supposedly ran his mouth the whole game, and with that fueled the Stag defense to a 16-2 run to start the second half. The tigers went almost 8 minutes without a bucket in the second half, and within the 12:00 minute mark found themselves down 18 pts. The Stag defense did a great job of rebounding, holding the tigers to 1 shot a possession. The tigers made a quick run late in the second half with a barage of 3's, and timely turnovers, but the Stags held strong, and finished them off. The stags shot 12-14 from the free throw line to end the game.
It was a great game with a lot of emotion. The Stags were just a better team tonight, and showed that regardless of how small the gym is, it's hard to win in DUCEY!! Next up Redlands, and we owe them!!!

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 08, 2007, 02:12:08 PM
Quote from: cmsstag on February 08, 2007, 01:29:51 PM
Quote from: tigersports on February 08, 2007, 01:22:43 AM
Whose house?  Yeah, the place is about as big as my house, but I bet there are more people at my house right now than were at the game.

First I am going to start of with Tigersports. I don't know if you were at the game, and I am thinking you were probably not. So I am going to shed some light into that little dark tunnel you call your life. Probably the reason why there wasn't very many people at the game last night was due to the death of one of our football players named William Wagner who died at the age of 20 the night before. Here's whats on the Mckenna website.

"William died in the early morning hours at Doctors Hospital Montclair, where he was taken by paramedics after collapsing in his room. According to the San Bernardino County Coroner's Office, his death was the result of a cerebral aneurysm."

Sorry to hear the bad news.

I understand you're grieving, but let's not lash out at another poster.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on February 08, 2007, 02:43:33 PM
I was not at the game and had no idea about the tragedy.  Obviously my condolences to the community and, of course the players's parents, since no parent should ever have to bury a child. 

Pat, thanks for having my back, as I try not make my sour grapes personal, especially from my dark tunnel.

I also had no idea about how many people were at the game or why -- I was going on past experience in Oxy-CMS games at that place, games in which they were lucky to attract friends and family.  I just found it amusing (while in the throes of being pissed that Oxy got killed by that bunch) that it was referred to as "our house," when that term is usually reserved for tough places to play for reasons other than the quality of opposition -- places like Rush, Courier or the old hangar at CLU.

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on February 08, 2007, 02:45:41 PM
Quote from: stag44 on February 08, 2007, 05:43:39 AM
does it really matter who is in the stands or who won?

when your team loses, the former.  ;)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 08, 2007, 02:50:56 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 08, 2007, 02:48:31 PM
Before the game there was a moment of silence for William Wagner. My sincere condolences to his family and to CMS for your loss. CLU also acknowledged the career of Redlands coach Gary Smith, which I thought was very classy.

I think both of these actions are very classy on the part of CLU.

My condolences to Mr. Wagner's family and friends, and all those affected by his untimely passing.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TeeDub on February 08, 2007, 02:55:33 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 08, 2007, 02:48:31 PM
Eyewitness report from Thousand Oaks:

Mazarei was ice cold in the first half, and only had two points. He did better in the second half with 14, but he had to work hard to get his shots.

....

Hopefully CMS will bring the same intensity (and get the same results) when they host Redlands and Cal Lutheran.

OxyBob

Just for accuracy sake...

Mazarei had 4 at the half and 20 for the game.

CMS already hosted Redlands  (Redlands 98 - CMS 94), the next matchup is Saturday with CMS traveling to Currier Gymnasium.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TeeDub on February 08, 2007, 03:08:51 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 08, 2007, 03:05:45 PM
Jordis:

With regard to CLU, I misspoke and meant to say Pomona, not CMS.

OxyBob

Either way, I don't envy having to go to either of those places to play...Cal Lu is looking good right now (conference record wise), but I don't envy their remaining road schedule.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 08, 2007, 03:14:18 PM
Heads up!  Cal Lu's win over Milwaukee Engineering is in-region.

I will notify Pat!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tom Brady on February 08, 2007, 03:16:56 PM
I was at the first half of the CLU/UR game and I thought it was a very classy move by the CLU Athletics Dept. to observe a moment of silence for a fallen SCIAC'er as well as observing Coach Smith and all he has done for the SCIAC.  Great move by Cal Lu, now if we could only tell someone to cut the rap music and turn it down a little bit!!!!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hoopsallthetime on February 08, 2007, 03:38:06 PM
Quote from: tigersports on February 08, 2007, 02:43:33 PM
I was not at the game and had no idea about the tragedy.  Obviously my condolences to the community and, of course the players's parents, since no parent should ever have to bury a child. 

I accept that, and I apologize for lashing out so hard on you. Things are a little sad around here, and if you were not at the game, yoiu would have never known.

As for Ducey gym being a tough place to play, you should ask the OXY coach how tough it is to win at DUCEY. He has lost 5 straight times at Ducey.

The stags were ready, and will be ready for Redlands on Saturday. Coach Scalmanini usually has a great gameplan ready when it comes to the traveling freak show. They are playing with tremendous confidence now, and I see the Stags running through the rest of the conference. I hope CLU's chances on a conference title doesn't rely on the last game of the year at Ducey. They already got lucky one time, I dont see it happening again.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on February 08, 2007, 03:55:43 PM
No worries, CMS.  Ducey's tough mainly because the team and coach are so good.  I wish the students and community knew what a good thing Scali has going there and came out to witness it.

Actually, Newhall won at Ducey last year (Ok, it was against Laverne) and the streak is "only" four (Oxy was unbeaten in '03).  That said, that whole campus has not been kind to him, as he is 4-10 there since I started announcing games in '00.

Oxy is now a big CMS fan as the Stags will likely decide who wins this thing.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciac_is_fun on February 08, 2007, 04:15:23 PM
CLU always seems to get the tough road schedule in the second half.  Two years ago, they were looking pretty good in the first half of the season, and then they went on the road to lose to just about everyone and finish at .500.  That team was pretty much Hodges and nobody else, so we'll have to see how they fair this time around with a more balanced team and pretty good guards. 

Speaking of streaks, I don't think CLU has lost to Redlands in quite some time, home or away.  They seemed to have the TFS/System figured out pretty well.  Too bad it might disappear so soon!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on February 08, 2007, 05:15:52 PM
Congrats to the stags on playing a great game against the men in orange and black.
Sorry to hear about the passing of one of CMS's student-athletes.

I just hope that the next time both Oxy and CMS meets, each school will leave it out on the court and nowhere else. 

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hoopsallthetime on February 08, 2007, 05:19:32 PM
Good point BOB... For all I know, I expect him to come back next year and play. I dont see why he wouldn't. The only thing I can think of that would keep him from playing is winning the SCIAC this year, which the Stags won't be able to do, or winning player of the year award. There is no doubt he is the best player in the conference hands down. No one has been able to stop him on a consistent basis. If he doesn't win player of the year I will be surprised. Sure Betty has had good numbers, but there is no one in the league that can match him. It is my hope that the stags will finish the year off the right way winning its last 5 games, and he will play next year hungry for a conference title and postseason success.  let's hope he does.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciacguru on February 08, 2007, 07:09:03 PM
Early prediction for POY:

Amir Mazarei - Redlands.

It kills me to say it, but he has been the guy that has been unstoppable.  He is the #1 guy on every coach's hit list and he still puts up the numbers.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TeeDub on February 08, 2007, 07:26:53 PM
Quote from: sciac_is_fun on February 08, 2007, 04:15:23 PM

Speaking of streaks, I don't think CLU has lost to Redlands in quite some time, home or away.  They seemed to have the TFS/System figured out pretty well.  Too bad it might disappear so soon!

Quite a streak indeed...you have to go back all the way to last year to find the last time Cal Lu lost to Redlands...
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on February 08, 2007, 08:36:31 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 08, 2007, 03:45:08 PM
Wild Thing:

Considering the general makeup of the CLU student body and the Kingsmen fans, I think the choice of rap music is most amusing. Not quite like the atmosphere at, say, Westmont College, where players warm up to the gentle strains of Jimmy Buffet.

Yo!OxyBobRaps

Some poor PhD candidate probably did in depth research to support a disseratation on rap's central role in mainstream pop culture.  They could have saved themselves all that hard work and just visited Cal Lu  ;)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciacguru on February 09, 2007, 03:01:42 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 08, 2007, 10:33:59 PM
scandihoovian:

>>Some poor PhD candidate probably did in depth research to support a disseratation on rap's central role in mainstream pop culture.  They could have saved themselves all that hard work and just visited Cal Lu<<

Then again, Cal Lutheran does have its own Hip Hop Organization. (http://www.callutheran.edu/multicultural/clubs/hip_hop.php)

Rock on!

OxyBob

I believe its positive to advertise a club/organization that allows an individual to:
"express who you are, where you've been, and where you want to go, without the use of words! Something so powerful can only be something so unique."

But I guess you would rather invest your time in highlighting a JV basketball player "alum" that is an admitted marijuana and cocaine user that didnt even graduate from your respected university.

Quote from: OxyBob on January 29, 2007, 01:02:19 AM
Article from the LA Times about Illinois Sen. Barack Obama's 2-year stint at Oxy, including his exploits as a JV basketball player:
Occidental Remembers 'Barry' Obama (http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-oxy29jan29,0,2099497,full.story?coll=la-home-headlines)

I have had the opportunity to watch games at both Oxy and CLU this year, and the funny thing is, both warmups tapes are actually quite similar....in fact 4 or 5 songs are the exact same.  Did I hear a Pot (not that kind OxyBob) and Kettle talking?

Now can we get back to basketball please?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 09, 2007, 03:14:11 AM
Quote from: sciacguru on February 09, 2007, 03:01:42 AM
Now can we get back to basketball please?

Only after you got in your parting shot? Sheesh. Real mature.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 09, 2007, 03:24:34 AM
My condolences to the Wagner and CMS families.

Quote from: cmsstag on February 08, 2007, 01:29:51 PMBoth teams played tremendous defense, and scored on almost every posession.

??? :D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 09, 2007, 11:52:14 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 09, 2007, 11:27:40 AM
Caltech has a 254-game SCIAC losing streak going back to '84-'85. The Beavers will not end that streak against Whittier.

Why not?  It wasn't too long ago that you were suggesting that Cal Tech had a good shot to beat La Verne, and as you point out, La Verne erased the Poets twice.  From far-off Ohio, this looks like the "last best chance" for the Beavers, so I'm curious why you dismiss it out of hand.

I hope it's not because of Whittier's last-[40 ]minute 55 point victory over CIT the first time around; in Pasadena, the Beavers should be able to narrow that tiny gap.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hoopsallthetime on February 09, 2007, 01:16:45 PM
Quote from: sciacguru on February 08, 2007, 07:09:03 PM
Early prediction for POY:

Amir Mazarei - Redlands.

It kills me to say it, but he has been the guy that has been unstoppable.  He is the #1 guy on every coach's hit list and he still puts up the numbers.

It is easy to see that Mazarei deserves to be mentioned as a POY candidate considering he puts up 30 shots a contest. I just don't believe he deserves to be POY. I believe he is the #1 guy on every coach's hit list because  he shoots the most, and usually is the most accurate out of the other 14 guys who play. Redlands is averaging 120.1 pts a game, with Mazarei avg. 29.6. If my calculations are correct, that is 1/4 of the teams scoring. That is impressive.

I bet if you ask coaches around the SCIAC who the best player in the league is, I bet Maceira is on top. He is averaging 19.7 a game with a team that just lost two First team players from last year, including the player of the year in Miles Taylor. That is a ton of offense that was lost from two graduating seniors. I guess i beleive Maceira is more of an all-around player. He can score inside and outside when he wants too, and without the 3's Mazarei is just another player.

Don't get me wrong Mazarei is a great player, but not deserving of POY. Plus, don't forget about Betty and Knowles. I bet they will be strong candidates as well.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciac_is_fun on February 09, 2007, 01:27:42 PM
Quote from: Jordis Rocks on February 08, 2007, 07:26:53 PM
Quote from: sciac_is_fun on February 08, 2007, 04:15:23 PM

Speaking of streaks, I don't think CLU has lost to Redlands in quite some time, home or away.  They seemed to have the TFS/System figured out pretty well.  Too bad it might disappear so soon!

Quite a streak indeed...you have to go back all the way to last year to find the last time Cal Lu lost to Redlands...

my bad...as a Kingsmen fan I try to forget about last year, which I did a pretty good job of doing. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TeeDub on February 09, 2007, 01:33:01 PM
Quote from: sciac_is_fun on February 09, 2007, 01:27:42 PM
Quote from: Jordis Rocks on February 08, 2007, 07:26:53 PM
Quote from: sciac_is_fun on February 08, 2007, 04:15:23 PM

Speaking of streaks, I don't think CLU has lost to Redlands in quite some time, home or away.  They seemed to have the TFS/System figured out pretty well.  Too bad it might disappear so soon!

Quite a streak indeed...you have to go back all the way to last year to find the last time Cal Lu lost to Redlands...

my bad...as a Kingsmen fan I try to forget about last year, which I did a pretty good job of doing. 

That's cool...I'd rather have the current bragging rights (like you) then be right about one game from last season...
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciacguru on February 09, 2007, 03:04:01 PM
cmsstag:

I agree with you 100% in regards to Maceira.  After watching him at the CLU game, he has to be the most difficult player to match up with in the SCIAC.  Like you said, he may be the most versatile player.

But we all know that the "BEST" player is not always the POY.  And the POY generally goes to a player from the SCIAC champion.  Right now the front-runner, in my humble opinion, is Mazarei...even after their 2 consecutive losses.

And if we take 3 pointers out of the equation....then Knowles is disqualified as well.  And noone can forget about Betty.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on February 09, 2007, 05:41:40 PM
Oxy's game against the hens will turn out to be a good game. However, most of time the men in orange and black will be dominating the hens. IMHO, after losing a game to the stags i am sure the tigers and ticked off and eager to show that they are still te best in the league. Look to for a better performance with the Oxy D and expect to see the offensive side of the ball scoring a lot more. Knowles will be stopped and the other hens will be to afraid to step up while under a lot of pressure.
Since the game will be on a saturday at Rush gym, i'll give the edge to Oxy. Maybe, i'll end up skipping some previous plans and join some of you guys down at the rock.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciac_is_fun on February 11, 2007, 12:14:04 AM
CLU escapes Laverne 56-53   :-\
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Howlinwolf on February 11, 2007, 12:55:18 AM
Oxy is lights out in the second half and cruises by P-P.

Congrats to the Cal Tech women's team - Beavers dam the Poets!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on February 11, 2007, 02:25:07 AM
I hit three SCIAC gyms tonight... two of which were empty. Whoops.... no more trying to look up game scheds on my cell! Fortunately for oxy, I got to Eagle Rocj just in time for the second half where Oxy outscored Pomona by, well, a lot. You're welcome Oxy. :D

Or it could be said that Oxy finally played like themselves finally... :D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on February 11, 2007, 01:33:39 PM
Hey Diehard, nice seeing you again at Rush last night (Oh, and you too, OxyBob).  Just wanted to let you know that Pat's got this little website that posts the entire league schedule for the year.   ;D

Today's baseball game against La Sierra was rained out, sparing us an Andy Collins v. Lewis&Clark type score.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 11, 2007, 01:37:49 PM
Careful, TS.  In the last twelve hours or so, I've twice reminded posters (on other boards) of the availability of information elsewhere in Pat's world, and as a result I now have two extra orifices.  Of course, I wasn't talking to diehardfan, or posting in jest... :P
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 11, 2007, 01:55:37 PM
Quote from: tigersports on February 11, 2007, 01:33:39 PM
Hey Diehard, nice seeing you again at Rush last night (Oh, and you too, OxyBob).  Just wanted to let you know that Pat's got this little website that posts the entire league schedule for the year.   ;D

She used it. But the cellphone wasn't as good a web browser as she would've liked.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on February 11, 2007, 02:20:18 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 11, 2007, 01:55:37 PM
Quote from: tigersports on February 11, 2007, 01:33:39 PM
Hey Diehard, nice seeing you again at Rush last night (Oh, and you too, OxyBob).  Just wanted to let you know that Pat's got this little website that posts the entire league schedule for the year.   ;D

She used it. But the cellphone wasn't as good a web browser as she would've liked.
I hope she doesn't try to do this while driving four hours.  We don't want to lose her again. :)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on February 11, 2007, 03:05:17 PM
I checked and it still says "vs" instead of "at" on my mobile... I obviously use the features on this site... I'm probably one of the few people who notice when features temporarily disappear (and care enough to ask Pat about it) because I was probably one of the few people who knew they existed and used it to begin with. Trust me, there has been a steep learning curve between "Jr in college who has never seen a DIII basketball game before" and HOFer... at some point in there you learn the value of places on the site other than the message board. :P

I haven't had internet at home since October when I moved because it took that absurdly long for us to decide what we wanted (fiber optic cable is getting installed tomorrow though, woo!) And my work laptop that I take with me on business trips got toasted a few weeks ago (while I was following like four DIII games and updating the CCIW scoreboard) and our tech's mom is dying and not in town. So I didn't have a real comp after Tuesday to check anything.

Nonetheless, I had the rare privilage of being at three D3 gyms within an hour... how many people can say that? :D ::)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on February 11, 2007, 03:31:53 PM
Quote from: diehardfan on February 11, 2007, 03:05:17 PM
Nonetheless, I had the rare privilage of being at three D3 gyms within an hour... how many people can say that? :D ::)

Did you watch any games?  Does that even count?  I mean, when I drive through Indiana to get to Ohio, I wouldn't count Indiana as a state I've "visited".  I know you're jealous because I did the 3 games in three different cities (and also involving three different conferences) in one day, so I know you're just trying to "one up" me.  At least I watched all the games in their entirety! lol  :P :o ;D :D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on February 11, 2007, 05:49:31 PM
Lol... like I said, I saw a half of a basketball game. Let me tell you, I'd rather do it your way... but I did it faster. :D And on the plus side, I've now "seen" all the SCIAC gyms but Cal Lu... which means I've seen as many SCIAC gyms as CCIW gyms... funny!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on February 11, 2007, 05:54:12 PM
I definitely think driving through a state counts. :P I'm not about to cross Nebraska and Iowa off my list of states visited, sorry. If anything driving through lots and lots of cornfields IS seeing Nebraska, basically. Just let's not make any connections from that to the SCIAC teams... :D ;)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 11, 2007, 06:10:30 PM
Quote from: diehardfan on February 11, 2007, 05:54:12 PM
I definitely think driving through a state counts. :P

In my family the rule always was that you had to set foot in a state in order to count it.  So, one time when my mother came to visit me in Memphis, she made me drive her over the Memphis-Arkansas Bridge and take the first exit; at the bottom of the exit she opened her door, touched her foot to the ground, and then we turned around and headed back to Tennessee.   :D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 12, 2007, 05:49:58 AM
Quote from: diehardfan on February 11, 2007, 05:54:12 PM
I definitely think driving through a state counts. :P I'm not about to cross Nebraska and Iowa off my list of states visited, sorry. If anything driving through lots and lots of cornfields IS seeing Nebraska, basically.

You haven't really visited Nebraska unless you're rolled up your pant legs and waded a half-mile out into the middle of the Platte River just to see if the water comes up to your knees or not.

Quote from: Old School on February 11, 2007, 03:31:53 PMDid you watch any games?  Does that even count?  I mean, when I drive through Indiana to get to Ohio, I wouldn't count Indiana as a state I've "visited".

Even people who stop in Indiana don't like to count it as a state that they've visited. ;)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on February 12, 2007, 10:45:00 AM
Congrats to the Tigers on their hard fought victory. It was good to see a nice turn out on saturday at the Rock. Hope that their will be more people on hand to see the Oxy-Cal Lu game this week in Rush Gym.

Bob, it looks like your K+ has finally reached the light side instead of the dark side. I wonder if thats because our Boy from the town of Redlands no longer is with us.(just kidding) ;D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TeeDub on February 12, 2007, 12:44:46 PM
According Mr. Coleman's "QOWI top 200 to follow, through Saturday:"

Rank   Points   In-region   Team   Region Win%   Overall
1   11.550   1   UW-Stevens Point   0.950 (19-1)   20-2
21   10.333   2   St. Thomas   0.875 (21-3)   21-3
23   10.300   3   St. John's   0.900 (18-2)   18-5
27   10.150   4   Whitworth   0.850 (17-3)   20-3
29   10.100   5   UW-Oshkosh   0.800 (16-4)   19-4
38   9.947   6   Loras   0.789 (15-4)   17-6
41   9.923   7   Occidental   0.769 (10-3)   15-5
53   9.684   8   UW-La Crosse   0.684 (13-6)   15-7
54   9.667   9   Coe   0.714 (15-6)   17-6
56   9.615   10   Redlands   0.769 (10-3)   14-6
68   9.389   11   Puget Sound   0.778 (14-4)   17-5
70   9.313   12   Lewis and Clark   0.750 (12-4)   16-6
71   9.250   13   Cal Lutheran   0.688 (11-5)   16-5
85   9.045   14   Bethel   0.727 (16-6)   17-6
91   8.957   15   UW-Whitewater   0.652 (15-8)   15-8
108   8.722   16   Buena Vista   0.667 (12-6)   15-7
113   8.667   17   Pomona-Pitzer   0.583 (7-5)   12-8
119   8.526   18   Simpson   0.579 (11-8)   15-8
128   8.444   19   UW-Platteville   0.611 (11-7)   13-9
150   8.182   20   Gustavus Adolphus   0.591 (13-9)   13-10
158   8.063   21   Chapman   0.688 (11-5)   16-5
159   8.063   22   Pacific   0.500 (8-8)   10-12
177   7.917   23   Claremont-Mudd-Scripps   0.500 (6-6)   12-9
178   7.895   24   Carleton   0.526 (10-9)   10-13
188   7.714   25   George Fox   0.500 (7-7)   12-11
194   7.588   26   Central   0.471 (8-9)   10-12
198   7.529   27   Willamette   0.412 (7-10)   10-13
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on February 12, 2007, 01:12:59 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on February 11, 2007, 06:10:30 PM
In my family the rule always was that you had to set foot in a state in order to count it.  So, one time when my mother came to visit me in Memphis, she made me drive her over the Memphis-Arkansas Bridge and take the first exit; at the bottom of the exit she opened her door, touched her foot to the ground, and then we turned around and headed back to Tennessee.   :D
Works for me... I guess I haven't been to Iowa after all. Though I've driven through at least 20 miles worth of the eastern and western corners of the state. :D

Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 12, 2007, 05:49:58 AM
You haven't really visited Nebraska unless you're rolled up your pant legs and waded a half-mile out into the middle of the Platte River just to see if the water comes up to your knees or not.
Does it count that I've crossed the Platte River dozens of times playing Oregon Trail on the computer as a child? :D

Quote from: Gray Fox on February 11, 2007, 02:20:18 PM
I hope she doesn't try to do this while driving four hours.  We don't want to lose her again. :)
Cough, no comment.  :-X
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 12, 2007, 01:20:23 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 12, 2007, 05:49:58 AM
Quote from: diehardfan on February 11, 2007, 05:54:12 PM
I definitely think driving through a state counts. :P I'm not about to cross Nebraska and Iowa off my list of states visited, sorry. If anything driving through lots and lots of cornfields IS seeing Nebraska, basically.

You haven't really visited Nebraska unless you're rolled up your pant legs and waded a half-mile out into the middle of the Platte River just to see if the water comes up to your knees or not.

"Too thin to plow, too thick to drink."  I've always liked that description of the Platte.  :D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on February 12, 2007, 02:04:26 PM
This room was in need of a poll.... have fun.  ;D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on February 12, 2007, 02:37:41 PM
Diehard, you are a true HOFer, no matter how many states you've been to.

As for the website, Pat, I can tell you that on treos and the motorola Q, the scores part of each conference page does not come through as the browsers on those devices don't support it.  Is there anything that can be done so that we can have our SCIAC scores NOW! (i.e., even when not at home or on a laptop somehwere)?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on February 12, 2007, 02:40:03 PM
Quote from: tigersports on February 12, 2007, 02:37:41 PM
Diehard, you are a true HOFer, no matter how many states you've been to.
Even by David's rules I've been to over 40, so I'm still feeling okay about myself. :D

edit: uh, not that how many states I've been to changes how I feel about myself as a person.... :D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on February 12, 2007, 02:49:53 PM
My predictions:

Oxy 11-3
UofR 11-3
CLU 10-4
PP 10-4
CMS 7-7
ULV 4-10
WC 3-11
CT 0-14

We went through the whole tiebreaker thing last year and I still don't know if one exists or whether the tied teams play off.   If there was a tiebreaker based on head to head, UofR wins the league.  If not, well, who knows if UofR could take 3 from Oxy.  This tells me that this Sat's game is probably for the title.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 12, 2007, 02:50:59 PM
Quote from: diehardfan on February 12, 2007, 02:40:03 PM
Quote from: tigersports on February 12, 2007, 02:37:41 PM
Diehard, you are a true HOFer, no matter how many states you've been to.
Even by David's rules I've been to over 40, so I'm still feeling okay about myself. :D

edit: uh, not that how many states I've been to changes how I feel about myself as a person.... :D

I've been to 49, but I don't feel good about myself. :-\  Maybe you should quit while you're ahead. :)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on February 12, 2007, 05:21:36 PM
Quote from: tigersports on February 12, 2007, 02:49:53 PM
My predictions:

Oxy 11-3
UofR 11-3
CLU 10-4
PP 10-4
CMS 7-7
ULV 4-10
WC 3-11
CT 0-14

We went through the whole tiebreaker thing last year and I still don't know if one exists or whether the tied teams play off.   If there was a tiebreaker based on head to head, UofR wins the league.  If not, well, who knows if UofR could take 3 from Oxy.  This tells me that this Sat's game is probably for the title.

There are a number of scenarios that could play out over the next two weeks.  I think one of the most intriguing is a three way tie between Oxy, CLU, and Redlands (all 11-3), in which each team has been swept by one and swept the other (e.g. CLU swept by Oxy, CLU swept Redlands) :o
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on February 12, 2007, 05:31:26 PM
Quote from: scandihoovian on February 12, 2007, 05:21:36 PM
Quote from: tigersports on February 12, 2007, 02:49:53 PM
My predictions:

Oxy 11-3
UofR 11-3
CLU 10-4
PP 10-4
CMS 7-7
ULV 4-10
WC 3-11
CT 0-14

We went through the whole tiebreaker thing last year and I still don't know if one exists or whether the tied teams play off.   If there was a tiebreaker based on head to head, UofR wins the league.  If not, well, who knows if UofR could take 3 from Oxy.  This tells me that this Sat's game is probably for the title.
If it was the CCIW tiebreaker (and obviously it's not, but the conference tiebreakers are usually vaguely similar), that would mean it would go to record against the next best team... if I'm not mistaken, Oxy is the only one to sweep Pomona thus far?

Is there really no way to find out what the tiebreakers are?  ???

There are a number of scenarios that could play out over the next two weeks.  I think one of the most intriguing is a three way tie between Oxy, CLU, and Redlands (all 11-3), in which each team has been swept by one and swept the other (e.g. CLU swept by Oxy, CLU swept Redlands) :o
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on February 12, 2007, 06:37:02 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 12, 2007, 05:46:08 PM
Re determining the conference champ, from the SCIAC web site:

http://www.thesciac.org/championships.htm

If teams are tied then they are co-champs. To my knowledge there is no playoff to determine the champ. Not sure how it'd be decided who'd get the auto bid.

OxyBob
I think diehardfan gets to dial it in on her cellphone. :o
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on February 12, 2007, 06:40:40 PM
Thanks for checking, Bob.

I have vague memories of a CLU-PP playoff at Oxy in the early 90s - could this be so?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on February 12, 2007, 06:51:11 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 12, 2007, 06:39:16 PM
Gray Fox:

I am doing some further checking. If there's a tie then there may indeed be a playoff to determine the conference champ. Back with details shortly.

OxyBob
What about a three way tie?  I'm actually interested because my early football analysis shows that as a real possibility.

Aren't the number of games limited by the NCAA?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on February 12, 2007, 06:57:52 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 12, 2007, 05:46:08 PM
Re determining the conference champ, from the SCIAC web site:

http://www.thesciac.org/championships.htm

If teams are tied then they are co-champs. To my knowledge there is no playoff to determine the champ. Not sure how it'd be decided who'd get the auto bid.

Typical SCIAC.  Why don't they just say "the winner is the winner."
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DIIIghetto on February 12, 2007, 07:08:05 PM
Nice to see other conferences get it right.

http://www.cciw.org/pdf/MBB_06Notes.pdf

Compare that with what Oxy puts out and you see the difference between schools that value the dollars they put into their athletics and those that don't. 

http://www.oxy.edu/x4075.xml

Need to shake the coconut trees and see what falls.  Any SCIAC AD making over $50k should be investigated.  At best they have been negligent in the performance of their duties.  Unless SID functions fall outside of the responsibilities of the AD, I think our folks have just done terrible jobs in marketing, communication and information dissemination.         

Congrats to Redlands for mustering a heck of a season in GS's final hurrah.  I think that GS represents what is right with so much in DIII basketball.  Unfortunately for SCIAC fans, that has less to do with winning than it does with complementing the academic missions of the schools.   If Oxy plays below where it should and Redlands wins this out, everyone will find out what I mean when the NW Champ beats them by 30, doing nothing to improve our national reputation.  I doubt that the NW champ will care so much about GS's send-off.  But I'm also not sure how well Oxy will fare against the NW champ either, unless their guards play better than they have (I put them somewhere in the middle to bottom half of SCIAC backcourts performance-wise, not talent-wise) and SB finds a way to start to put 30 minute games together (15-20 minute stellar performances won't help Oxy advance). 

CLU had a heck of a season for a team with that much youth and PP started to come around.   Both of those teams will probably add a stallion or two next year and will look to restore their position in the Big 3.  And CMS, well, having gone through the tragedy that they recently have, they deserve some slack.  Next year I will look for them to schedule more DIII opponents and to concentrate on some teams other than Oxy. 









Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 12, 2007, 07:14:30 PM
Quote from: tigersports on February 12, 2007, 06:57:52 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 12, 2007, 05:46:08 PM
Re determining the conference champ, from the SCIAC web site:

http://www.thesciac.org/championships.htm

If teams are tied then they are co-champs. To my knowledge there is no playoff to determine the champ. Not sure how it'd be decided who'd get the auto bid.

Typical SCIAC.  Why don't they just say "the winner is the winner."

If two teams tie and split head to head, there is a tiebreaker game to determine the automatic bid.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 12, 2007, 07:15:19 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on February 12, 2007, 06:51:11 PM
Aren't the number of games limited by the NCAA?

A tiebreaker game would be considered a conference tournament, and exempt, like every other.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on February 12, 2007, 09:33:52 PM
If the tiebreaker goes to the team with the sweep, UofR wins the conference with a tie with Oxy at 11-3.  Of course, we could end up with a 3-way tie with Oxy, CalLu and UofR if Cal Lu manages a split at the Claremont colleges.  Let's play 3 20-minute halves at the Supertent!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on February 13, 2007, 01:27:03 AM
Quote from: tigersports on February 12, 2007, 09:33:52 PM
Let's play 3 20-minute halves at the Supertent!
Uh, I don't even think the Oxy fans would fit in the supertents, much less everyone else....

Speaking of the CCIW, here are our tiebreakers on our website: http://www.cciw.org/news/tiebreaker_procedures.php

we also get a 60 page media guide for the conference for men's and women's basketball: http://www.cciw.org/winter_bball_w/BB_06guide.pdf in addition to the ones the individual teams SIDs put out

and that's why I feel like I'm in an information vaccuum out here :(

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on February 13, 2007, 01:57:22 AM
Here are the final ones.... I didn’t bother to check if Sunday’s games actually changed anything for us out here.

1   11.550   1   UW-Stevens Point   0.950 (19-1)   20-2
20   10.333   2   St. Thomas   0.875 (21-3)   21-3
22   10.300   3   St. John's   0.900 (18-2)   18-5
28   10.150   4   Whitworth   0.850 (17-3)   20-3
30   10.100   5   UW-Oshkosh   0.800 (16-4)   19-4
39   9.947   6   Loras   0.789 (15-4)   17-6
42   9.923   7   Occidental   0.769 (10-3)   15-5
54   9.684   8   UW-La Crosse   0.684 (13-6)   15-7
55   9.667   9   Coe   0.714 (15-6)   17-6
57   9.615   10   Redlands   0.769 (10-3)   14-6
67   9.400   11   Lewis and Clark   0.750 (12-4)   16-6
69   9.389   12   Puget Sound   0.778 (14-4)   17-5
73   9.235   13   Cal Lutheran   0.688 (11-5)   16-5

Not tooo much has changed, but I think Oxy drops a spot and Redlands may have a shot of sneaking in over Coe or La Crosse now that Puget Sound has dropped all the way to 9.389 in region. Redlands significantly better In-Region Win % might be enough to make up for their slightly lower QOWI.

I think St. John’s gets ahead of St Thomas because they’ve beaten them and have a higher In-Region Win % despite a slightly lower QOWI.

The only hmmm... is that La Crosse's QOWI is pretty high, and they have 2 wins against ever increasing Oshkosh.

Here are my projections... lets see if I have a shot at being any where near as good this week as I was last week!

1) Point
2) St Johns
3) St Thomas
4) Whitworth
5) Oshkosh
6) Loras
7) Occidental
8 ) Redlands
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on February 13, 2007, 01:11:31 PM
Nice article (http://www.venturacountystar.com/vcs/sports_columnists/article/0,1375,VCS_225_5348454,00.html) on the CLU freshmen in today's VC Star.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on February 13, 2007, 01:55:14 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 13, 2007, 11:02:46 AM
Slightly off-topic, but here's an article from today's New York Times about a possible split of some Division III schools into a new Division IV:

Division III Seeks Harmony Between Field and Classroom (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/13/sports/othersports/13ncaa.html?pagewanted=1&_r=2&ref=sports)

There's also a discussion of this in the "Future of Division III" sub-board of General Division III Issues.

OxyBob
Party poo-per! :'(

I can see chaos in the SCIAC over this.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 13, 2007, 02:08:46 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on February 13, 2007, 01:55:14 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 13, 2007, 11:02:46 AM
Slightly off-topic, but here's an article from today's New York Times about a possible split of some Division III schools into a new Division IV:

Division III Seeks Harmony Between Field and Classroom (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/13/sports/othersports/13ncaa.html?pagewanted=1&_r=2&ref=sports)

There's also a discussion of this in the "Future of Division III" sub-board of General Division III Issues.

OxyBob
Party poo-per! :'(

I can see chaos in the SCIAC over this.

Yeah, if there is a D3/D4 split, what happens in Southern Cal. will be among the most interesting questions.  There doesn't seem to be enough schools on either side of a potential D3/D4 divide to field a conference without bringing in some D2 or NAIA teams--and of course the D4's, or "traditionalists," wouldn't want an NAIA or D2 in their midst anyway.  So maybe the SCIAC stays together out of necessity, but if so, as a D3 or a D4? 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DIIIghetto on February 13, 2007, 05:11:31 PM
I actually think that the SCIAC schools should look long and hard at a DIV option.  I confess to not knowing the parameters of such a division but assume that it would be comprised of smaller schools, either with a liberal arts bent or at least have some consistencies across their academic philosophies. 

We just aren't currently set up to compete athletically against folks in DIII.  Pomona will never be where Amherst or Williams are.  Oxy BB has to me been an anomaly.  Someone emailed me a while back who was familiar with the program that the school at Oxy provides under $20k per year for the team outside of its head coach's salary and that the head coach himself raises the rest.   Kudos to them for finding a way around the budgetary constraints the school places on them.  To compete nationally in basketball I think you need a budget along the lines of $50k+.  From the stats someone posted a while ago here, I don't think SCIAC schools are going to get there absent other herculean efforts by coaches.  Obviously money isn't everything and there are undoubtedly schools that are able to be successful with relatively small budgets.  I would seriously doubt, however, that any school at the DIII level can sustain success - on a national level - without having the right budget and administrative support. 

For that reason I think we should look long and hard at a DIV option.   Of course, it will be interesting to follow this discussion down because I look at a school like Wooster, also a liberal arts school similar in size and stature to several SCIAC schools, and think that they would never want to leave - having found a way to be so successful at the DIII level. 





Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 13, 2007, 05:22:42 PM
Quote from: DIIIghetto on February 13, 2007, 05:11:31 PM
For that reason I think we should look long and hard at a DIV option.   Of course, it will be interesting to follow this discussion down because I look at a school like Wooster, also a liberal arts school similar in size and stature to several SCIAC schools, and think that they would never want to leave - having found a way to be so successful at the DIII level. 

Wooster is one of the schools leading the push for a D4, from all that I can tell.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on February 13, 2007, 05:35:59 PM
All this talk about a possible D4 or Regional rankings is taking away the beauty of this weeks upcoming games. With such much on the line for teams like Cal Lu and Oxy, I would have expected each poster shedding more insight and adding hype to such a good match that will go on at the Rock tomorrow.

Will the purple pit people join their team tomorrow night? Will Oxy end the kingmens dream at being #1 in the SCIAC.?Will Whitman and Betty combine to be the top players against this decent defense? Will Cal Lu's guards handle their jobs well? Will Oxy's bench contribute to the game? Will the game end in a massacre in favor of the Men in orange and black?

Just asking for some insight.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 13, 2007, 09:33:50 PM
Quote from: Browneagle64 on February 13, 2007, 05:35:59 PM
All this talk about a possible D4 or Regional rankings is taking away the beauty of this weeks upcoming games. With such much on the line for teams like Cal Lu and Oxy, I would have expected each poster shedding more insight and adding hype to such a good match that will go on at the Rock tomorrow.

Isn't the regional rankings something that's on the line?

With such a complaint from you about lack of insight, I didn't see anything but questions from you.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciac_is_fun on February 14, 2007, 03:41:47 AM
here's some hype for ya:

prediction: CLU 62 Oxy 60
CLU will keep it close in the first half, and Knudsen will get hot in the third quarter.  Oxy will fight back and we'll have a see-saw battle until Innis/Acerboni puts in a dagger to win it.  CLU will ride the momentum into the pomona schools, win both games there and finish the conference season with one loss.  With the motivating cry, "Who needs next year!?," CLU will ride the wave of their young talent through the tournament all the way to the Final 4, where they will meet Wheaton.  In an epic battle witnessed by diehardfan, who flies in for the unlikely matchup, CLU goes down in quadruple overtime, 111-110.  The following year they are the first west coast team to rank in the top 5 in the preseason rankings, though the anti-west coast bias prevents them from entering the number 1 slot they so clearly deserve... 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 14, 2007, 04:32:42 AM
Actually, in your admittedly outlandish hypothetical, they would probably be the preseason No. 1 since they have only one senior starter.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 14, 2007, 07:32:43 AM
Quote from: sciac_is_fun on February 14, 2007, 03:41:47 AM
here's some hype for ya:

prediction: CLU 62 Oxy 60
CLU will keep it close in the first half, and Knudsen will get hot in the third quarter.  Oxy will fight back and we'll have a see-saw battle until Innis/Acerboni puts in a dagger to win it.  CLU will ride the momentum into the pomona schools, win both games there and finish the conference season with one loss.  With the motivating cry, "Who needs next year!?," CLU will ride the wave of their young talent through the tournament all the way to the Final 4, where they will meet Wheaton.  In an epic battle witnessed by diehardfan, who flies in for the unlikely matchup, CLU goes down in quadruple overtime, 111-110.  The following year they are the first west coast team to rank in the top 5 in the preseason rankings, though the anti-west coast bias prevents them from entering the number 1 slot they so clearly deserve... 

Looks to me like somebody's trolling for some cookies. ;)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on February 14, 2007, 10:38:11 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 14, 2007, 04:32:42 AM
Actually, in your admittedly outlandish hypothetical, they would probably be the preseason No. 1 since they have only one senior starter.
Well, outlandish except for that part where Wheaton is in the Final Four and I'm there. :P ;D ;)

Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 14, 2007, 07:32:43 AM
Looks to me like somebody's trolling for some cookies. ;)
Like that's never happened before. :D

Hmm, I don't think I've ever given any one in the SCIAC cookies.  ??? Maybe I should correct that Saturday, as Jordis, OxyBob and tigersports will all be there! Maybe it'll even coax some of the Oxy posters I haven't met out of the woodwork.... :)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on February 14, 2007, 10:39:44 AM
Thank you SCIAC,

I think i should have asked who "do you guys" think will win the game. IMHO, i always enjoy worrying about one game at a time. I hate thinking about playoffs or the possibilities of what might happen when we still have big games like the one tonight with Cal Lu and Oxy. I hope that all of you guys that head to the rock tonight enjoy a hard faught game. ;D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on February 14, 2007, 10:42:47 AM
Any diehardfan cookies will be appreciated and accepted tonight at the Rock from the Purple people. I am sure that their big loss tonight will have their fans seeking comfort and some happiness after watching their Kingmens give up the game to Oxy.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on February 14, 2007, 11:14:19 AM
Quote from: Browneagle64 on February 14, 2007, 10:42:47 AM
Any diehardfan cookies will be appreciated and accepted tonight at the Rock from the Purple people. I am sure that their big loss tonight will have their fans seeking comfort and some happiness after watching their Kingmens give up the game to Oxy.
I wish I could. Unfortunately, I will be spending my Valentines Day with my boss, in airports, on my way to a meeting tomorrow in Tuscon.  ::) :'(
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciac_is_fun on February 14, 2007, 06:17:11 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 14, 2007, 04:32:42 AM
Actually, in your admittedly outlandish hypothetical, they would probably be the preseason No. 1 since they have only one senior starter.

Actually, they don't have any senior starters.  Senior Bush started early in the year, but freshman Knudsen has filled that role since before the conference season started.  Bush is usually first or second off the bench, however.  He is the only senior that plays regularly.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciac_is_fun on February 14, 2007, 06:23:29 PM
Article about the big game in the Ventura County Star this morning (not sure if it was in the paper or only online...)

http://www.clusports.com/news/3425/

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on February 14, 2007, 09:09:20 PM
Well; I'm happy to see Oxy above Loras in the regional rankings... albeit still low. I am still worried about the ability of a SCIAC team to get a Pool C bid... or any hosting nod for that matter. :(  I guess we'll just see!
Title: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on February 14, 2007, 10:08:55 PM
A new look to the SCIAC website.

http://www.thesciac.org/landing/index
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciac_is_fun on February 15, 2007, 01:07:41 AM
41-40 Oxy    Final

In what must have been one of the quickest games ever (I got there at 8:30, and there were 12 minutes left), Oxy pulls out the win at home.  From what I heard, it was close the whole way.  Defense was obviously on display from both sides. 

CLU took the lead on a nice three-point play by Innis with under two minutes to go, but Oxy came right back with a bucket and the foul of their own (I think it was Mills, who then missed the free throw).  That put them up by one, and CLU couldn't convert on the next couple possessions.  CLU had to foul, and Zebb made a pair.  Bush had a rebound basket for CLU with about 6 seconds left, and they fouled Whitman.  He missed both free throws, giving CLU one last shot, which was Acerboni from just inside halfcourt.  Good distance, just wide left, off the rim and backboard and off. 

It was a good game.  It was pretty clear Oxy doesn't have superior talent, just more experience.  CLU is a fun team to watch, even in this defensive battle.  Miller had some nice baby hooks and an up-and-under down the stretch.  He's gotta find a way at the line, though.  He had a 1 and 1 with CLU down by 1, and missed the front end.

It's kinda funny to watch Whitman walk around like he's an 85 lb. Kobe Bryant
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciac_is_fun on February 15, 2007, 01:15:05 PM
Minor correction: Innis actually finished with 15 points. 

http://www.clusports.com/stats/mens_basketball/2006_2007/0214OXY.HTM
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DIIIghetto on February 15, 2007, 02:17:09 PM
GrayFox, thanks for pointing that out, it must have just gone up.  Now, if that the League has the house built, it needs furniture.  Can anyone say, content. 

Big W at Hershey Park West that I'm still scratching my head over.  Defensive battle?!?  From the same Oxy team that enables Redland's backcourt to look like all-americans?!?  Hats off to them for doing something I didn't see coming.   Mills & Zebb seemed to be the guys who stepped up for Oxy.  Seniors and studs win games like that.   Betty was gloved.  SCIAC_is_Fun's comment about CW still has me laughing.  Kobe would have hit the two at the end.  The next game will show whether CW is the real deal or not. 

Two SCIAC schools now have figured out ways to stop Betty - exploit his softness.  I'll give their coaches and players credit.  But I also continue to scratch my head at the guy.  With his ability, even if they are concentrating on you so much when you get the ball, you should get 12 points in the paint on put-backs on effort alone.   I thought Betty had a chance to do some things that Oxy's QB did in football this year.  He hasn't shown the same will and desire.  The kid is so talented, however, that I always expect the next game to be his big breakout.  Maybe I have given him too many chances and need to accept that he should be lumped together in the large bucket of past-SCIAC players who are guys with talent to be larger than the conference but miss the inner drive to want to show that every night.   

Thing is, I saw him killing in the first half against McVeigh and UPS.  Then McVeigh decided the second half to show him how men play down low.  Do they have a weight program at Oxy?








Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on February 15, 2007, 05:26:52 PM
Congrats to the tigers on their win lastnight.

I understand ya on the point that you made about Betty, D3ghetto.
Although, it seems like other SCIAC coaches have found some way to glove this Man child, i still think within these next games he'll come out of no where and dominate like he did for the first 5 games Oxy played against good D2 teams. I am sure some one will mention to him that these are his last games as a tiger and that these count. Not only that, his old football mentality might help him out as well.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tiger Shark on February 15, 2007, 11:53:44 PM
The guy is right, Betty is so soft. He would have been a great addition to the women's team.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on February 16, 2007, 01:06:09 AM
Quote from: DIIIghetto on February 15, 2007, 02:17:09 PM
Two SCIAC schools now have figured out ways to stop Betty - exploit his softness. 
Quote from: Browneagle64 on February 15, 2007, 05:26:52 PM
I understand ya on the point that you made about Betty, D3ghetto.
Quote from: Tiger Shark on February 15, 2007, 11:53:44 PM
The guy is right, Betty is so soft. He would have been a great addition to the women's team.
Please tell me this whole absurd thread doesn't really exist and that it will be gone tomorrow. The guy is an All American. Not a First Team All American probably, but an All American, nonetheless. Period. End of Story.  :P
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DIIIghetto on February 16, 2007, 12:46:49 PM
OB, I am in your fan club so I feel compelled to set the record straight on my comment about Betty.   

My comment about calling his toughness and mental fortitude to task is based on the following:

a)  5-19 in the biggest game for the Tigers

b)  The announcers on the webcast, who I have always enjoyed listening to, highlighted that Zach Miller bullied him and blocked 4 of his shots

c)  For a 6'7" athlete to average 7 rpg in a bottom tier league???

Don't get me wrong, I am a big Betty fan, and have been impressed by the work this year he has put into his passing game.  But I was at UPS game, and it just has to be said that Betty needs to step up his game.

UR seems a good place to start for Betty to leave his mark.  No way he shouldn't get 15 boards and plenty of finishes.  The atmosphere will be very hostile and lots of former players will be there to try to send GS off with a W, beating the team they view as the conference titan.  I don't remember Oxy celebrating a tenth as much when they knocked off Amherst a year ago, or Virginia Tech for that matter the other night stealing one in Chapel Hill.  Memo to the next Redlands coach:  until our conference sends someone to Salem (or hopefully Hope someday soon), please let folks know (outside of the CMS/PP rivalry), that beating a SCIAC team is not yet a crowning achievement.

Betty and Oxy's guards should be poised enough and good enough to come through in that environment.   Kats earned my respect as the conference godfather by winning so many of those 'must' win games that inevitably become nailbiters.  Oxy's W over CLU was one of those games.  But now you have the type of atmosphere looming at Redlands that champions crave.  If Betty and CW can't step up there, we have no chance against the NW champ so we might as well send the TFS.

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on February 16, 2007, 02:30:39 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 16, 2007, 02:15:05 PM
DIIIghetto:

Yep, Betty was 5-for-19 on Wednesday. He had a lot of touches and missed some easy baskets. But even though he had a bad night offensively (as did almost everyone else) he still had a quarter of Oxy's points and a quarter of the boards. Miller played him tough, and Betty played Miller tough on the other end.

Betty (19.1 ppg) is 4th in the league in scoring behind Mazarei (28.4 ppg), and just behind Maceira (20.8 ppg) and Knowles (19.3 ppg). Betty's second in the league in rebounding, third in FG%, 8th in assists (the 7 players ahead of him are all guards), and second in minutes played. Soft? I don't think so.

As for this Saturday's game, it's always fun to travel for a game at Redlands. From a scientific standpoint, I am very interested to see what it's like to be in Currier after Oxy sucks all of the air out of it.

OxyBob

Bob,

The atmosphere at Currier on Saturday should be electric. SCIAC basketball does not have a more hostile court/atmosphere then Currier. Wish I could be there to see Mazerai light up your Tigers for the third straight time.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on February 16, 2007, 04:12:27 PM
I think i need to clarify myself about what i was trying to get across about Mr. Betty. In no way was i trying to disrespect or even belittle an Oxy Player such as Mr. Betty. I'm just not that type of person. In addition, the guy was a former teammate on the Oxy football team.
To keep it simple, i was trying to say that although Mr. Betty did not have a good game on the offensive of side of the ball v.s. Cal Lu, i certainly know that he will come out on fire the next time around. This wasn't his greatest night.I know that this is the same Betty, who in the end, will prove all his critics and Doubters wrong when he comes and plays his best.
All i was trying to mention was that Wednesday night wasn't his best night and that the Cal Lu coaches and Miller did a good job at studying this player. I did not intended in any way to insult Mr. Betty. Just like any player that might be in a slump, in end, Mr. Betty will indeed and certainly play his best games towards the end of the season.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pineconefan on February 16, 2007, 05:15:54 PM
"I'm trying to arrange to have Jeff Gillooly and Shawn Eckhart go to the game with me." - OB

Great reference!  But the fact that those names are still recognizable after all this time represents all that's wrong with the media culture in this country!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tiger Shark on February 16, 2007, 05:23:48 PM


Bob,

The atmosphere at Currier on Saturday should be electric. SCIAC basketball does not have a more hostile court/atmosphere then Currier. Wish I could be there to see Mazerai light up your Tigers for the third straight time.
[/quote]

RFB, CLU guard Deshion Inniss seems to think Oxy is the toughest place to play.

"That is by far the toughest place to play," Inniss said. "Their fans get into it."

http://www.clusports.com/news/3425/

We all know that Redlands isn't the toughest place to play a football game. Yeah, they have a nice stadium, but last year there were probably as many Oxy fans at the game.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tiger Shark on February 16, 2007, 06:15:57 PM
OB:

That is a great point. Redlands offensive scheme was one of the worst I have ever seen at any level.

Rumor is Oxy is bringing a couple buses of fans to the game, it should be a good one. I think Redlands jumps on top early, but the Tigers pull it out. Conner goes for 20 and Betty scores 40. 116-108, Oxy.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tiger Shark on February 18, 2007, 01:55:58 AM
Scores from tonight:

Claremont 64 Whittier 38
Oxy 116 Redlands 106
La Verne 85 Cal Tech 52
Pomona 69 Cal Lu 64

Oxy looks good to clinch conference. I would be interested to hear how the games went. No surprise Cal Lu lost.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on February 18, 2007, 02:06:05 AM
What a huge night. Result FINALLY was posted, and Cal Lu lost. This means that Oxy is in sole possession of the SCIAC crown. The SCIAC will only be getting one team into the playoffs, unfortunately.

This win was huge for Oxy's QOWI... it's a 15pter which will boost their relatively low QOWI considerably in addition to the boost to their regional ranking. Since Oshkosh lost on Wednesday to Whitewater, this could be big for Oxy in that they may have a chance to move ahead of Oshkosh in the regional rankings.

Lewis and Clark will probably grab the slot Redlands left behind basically leaving Redlands with no shot at a Pool C... Mazarei will be playing his last games. Sad! He has been so much fun to watch!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D O.C. on February 18, 2007, 03:39:33 AM
Nice win.....if that 116 is indeed true.

I tried to go but my wife pulled the "You were busy Wednesday so aren't you
going to take me out tonight?"
"Sure. How about a drive out to Redlands?"
freeze
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 18, 2007, 05:21:19 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 18, 2007, 03:59:03 AM
To the Oxy students, I have to say that "Safety School!" and "Just Like Football!" are banal. You can do much better. Please try something else.

True. Though at least it wasn't profane.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 18, 2007, 12:30:57 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 18, 2007, 03:59:03 AMThe Redlands student section was largely composed of players from their powerful 4-5 football team, and some of them appeared perplexed by "Safety School!" since they were under the impression they were a linebacker school.

LOL!  :D  +K to you.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on February 18, 2007, 01:18:26 PM
And to think I put my TV on "mute" to listen to the cone of silence sound effects..... :-[ :-[ :-[

I guess that's a double dip cone. ;D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on February 18, 2007, 03:15:59 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 18, 2007, 05:21:19 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 18, 2007, 03:59:03 AM
To the Oxy students, I have to say that "Safety School!" and "Just Like Football!" are banal. You can do much better. Please try something else.
True. Though at least it wasn't profane.
Though the Oxy student section was a little more classless than average (and less creative for that matter), they generally weren't profane. I can't say how much I appreciate the way Oxy's student section usually conducts themselves compared to so many active student sections I've encountered. Redlands was also pretty decent. (That tiger on the fishing line thing was pretty creative, incidentally... though I must admit I was one of the dozens of girls in the gym that gasped, "Aaawwww! How mean!!!" when they reeled in and then stamped on the adorable little baby tiger stuffed animal :D :-[ :-X)

The most creative cheer I've ever heard is this guy at a Wash U - Rochester game. This Wash U guy yelled "CHEESEBURGER!!!" at the top of his lungs at random intervals. When opposing team members were on the FT line, he would shout the various characteristics and merits of a cheeseburger. This actually was so absurd it took the Rochester players out of their game. You could tell they were actually having to consciously not laugh and tune out the noise as the guy described ketchup and the yummy juicyness, etc. My favorite Wheaton cheers are "Suppress them, suppress them, make them relinquish the ball!" and "Angel, angel on the rim, please don't let that ball go in!" (A fun absurd little tribute to our Christian foundation). We may have stolen these cheers from somewhere else, but at least it's not "That's alright, that's okay, you will work for us someday." My point being, you can be creative, random, supportive, and classy all at once. There are numerous schools in the SCIAC that are at least as known for their academic prowess as Wash U. I am honored to go to a school who people basically never have anything negative to say about class-wise (though I often think we could do much better). I think that should be the goal of many fans, and I think if the fans and alumni that care were more vocal about it, things would change.

There many student sections in my home conference who are decidedly more offensive than anything I've encountered in the SCIAC. Oxy is one of the few places I've been to DIII wise where I'd feel comfortable bringing my theoretical kids. I haven't felt like IWU's student section was very family friendly many times, despite the fact that all the other fans and other components of Shirk center games are about as family friendly as they come in DIII. And then Augustana and Carthage and many others are just flat out NOT places you want to bring your kids. Ugh... I hate being those gyms despite my respect for numerous of their individual fans and players and administrative staff.  I've heard rumors about offensiveness in the SCIAC in certain places but haven't been to too many games that have made me want to cringe yet.

I think in general, I really wish students had enough control to save the illegal underage drinking at least until AFTER the game. Aside from the whole fact that it's basically like driving 100 in a 45 past a cop, this always makes me seriously ponder many things during games... Is your life really that sad that you have to drink to the point of drunkeness on a Saturday afternoon? (or even scarier, a Wednesday afternoon?) ??? Are students in our nation's top colleges really so illogical that they don't realize/care what drunkenness does to damage brain cells much less their reasoning skills/behavior? ??? I really wish the administrations cared enough about their image, not to mention their students' safety, to curb these habits and then keep the people acting like drunken fools out of their gyms! >:(

Hah, I sure can go on a sportsmanship rant at the drop of a hat, huh?  :-[ At least it's not as bad as it gets when someone makes a joke discounting Global Climate Change. :D :-X
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on February 18, 2007, 04:04:35 PM
dhf,
I notice that Oxy got a couple of additional votes on your poll since last night. ::)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on February 18, 2007, 04:17:30 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on February 18, 2007, 04:04:35 PM
dhf,
I notice that Oxy got a couple of additional votes on your poll since last night. ::)
It was actually only one, but yeah. That person doesn't get any "insightfulness points" from me.  ;)

I've locked the voting to give people a chance to check out the results. I'll replace it with an MOP poll in a bit, so if anyone wants to nominate people to be included, let me know. :)

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on February 18, 2007, 05:12:01 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 18, 2007, 05:04:34 PM
UCLA, now that's an Oxy safety school, right, tigersports?

OxyBob
After reading the Barry Obama article, I thought that Columbia was the Oxy safety school.  Or is Columbia the "bailout' school? ;)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 19, 2007, 05:30:04 AM
Quote from: diehardfan on February 18, 2007, 03:15:59 PMMy favorite Wheaton cheers are "Suppress them, suppress them, make them relinquish the ball!" and "Angel, angel on the rim, please don't let that ball go in!" (A fun absurd little tribute to our Christian foundation). We may have stolen these cheers from somewhere else, but at least it's not "That's alright, that's okay, you will work for us someday."

... which the Wheaton football team / student cheering section has also stolen and used on at least two occasions over the past three years. ;)

To be fair to Wheaton, two weeks ago Elmhurst trotted out the "Angel, angel" cheer when an NPU player was at the free throw line -- and in CCIW circles that cheer is clearly identified with April's alma mater. Originality among college basketball student sections is like big-city clean government: An aspiration that gets more lip service than actual practice.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 19, 2007, 09:14:40 AM
OxyBob:

Just an update on WLC's men:  Warriors started out 4-1, lost their next 4 games, then won 8 of their last nine NAthCon regular season in-conference games to qualify for the NAthCon post-season conference tournament. WLC also upset Aurora's men at home earlier. Looks like Aurora's got a good shot at qualifying for NCAA tournament.

How good are Oxy's chances?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on February 19, 2007, 12:42:43 PM
Sounds like the Kingsmen had their chances against PP but let one get away on Saturday night.  Looks like turnovers (CLU 15, PP 7) and difficulties at the free throw line (CLU 8/20 PP 8/12) played a big role.  I suppose those are exactly the kinds of problems young teams struggle with, especially on the road against an always tough and well coached team in PP.  I remain impressed with the quality of play from the Kingsmen this season, and hope they can finish strong against CalTech and CMS.  I think it's fair to say that even though they lost twice this week (OxyBob's theme of the week) CLU continued to play well, especially Wednesday at Oxy (not quite the massacre you anticipated, eh Bob  ;))

With the exception of the CMS game, Oxy has put together a great season, and I hope their experience serves them well as they look to the postseason.  I think we'd all love to see them make a deep run in the tournament.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DIIIghetto on February 19, 2007, 01:18:37 PM
Oh how I wish I could be in Claremont tonight.   Kats will be excited to try to return the sweep favor.  Always tough to do in that classic series.  Two Ls to PP in a year when CMS was supposed to be the front-runner and that would go down as one of their most disappointing seasons.   A little more than usual on the line pride-wise.

Hats off to CLU.  I didn't expect them to be as good as they were this year and they are my early pre-season favorites for next year. 

Oxy Tigers take a bow.  Big W in a very difficult environment.  Maybe as tough a place to play as  you will find in the SCIAC this year.  Couple that with Betty going down early with an injury and not being able to help and it shows you just how much Oxy's upperclassmen stepped up.  Well done fellas.  I also give the coaches credit for making adjustments at the defensive end.  3-28 doesn't happen in a team's home gym unless someone is making you shoot shots that you don't normally shoot. 

Coach Smith, TFS system aside, goes down as one of the classiest acts you will ever see, at any level. 

I think next year is the first year the SCIAC puts in a mini-conference post-season tourney.  Great idea.   I'm not sure whether the format is 4 or 3.  But you can imagine with where CLU, PP, CMS & Oxy are now how exciting that Tourney will be with the potential of an upset team stealing the dance ticket.   I'm all in favor of it and think that it will prepare our invitee for the tournament better than the format we have now.   Going into that first round game we need a battle-tested team representing us. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hoopsallthetime on February 19, 2007, 07:09:01 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 19, 2007, 02:57:00 PM
DIIIghetto:

>>Oh how I wish I could be in Claremont tonight<<

I'd like to be there at Rains to see if more than 47 people (http://www.clusports.com/stats/mens_basketball/2006_2007/0217PPM.HTM) show up to watch the game.

OxyBob

Bob, I can promise you there will be more than 47 people at the game tonight between cms and pomona. I can promise you that this will be a game to remember. You should probably take the night off watching your beloved tigers play, and come out and watch a great game with an awesome atmosphere. For those who have never been to one of these games, try to make your way out to one before you die. The intensity can be cut with a knife, and the students are louder than ever. Who would have thought students who have the same classes with each other, and probably party together could hate each other so much in one night. Enough said, GO STAGS!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3hoopguy on February 19, 2007, 09:00:50 PM
Quote from: cmsstag on February 19, 2007, 07:09:01 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 19, 2007, 02:57:00 PM
DIIIghetto:

>>Oh how I wish I could be in Claremont tonight<<

I'd like to be there at Rains to see if more than 47 people (http://www.clusports.com/stats/mens_basketball/2006_2007/0217PPM.HTM) show up to watch the game.

OxyBob

Bob, I can promise you there will be more than 47 people at the game tonight between cms and pomona. I can promise you that this will be a game to remember. You should probably take the night off watching your beloved tigers play, and come out and watch a great game with an awesome atmosphere. For those who have never been to one of these games, try to make your way out to one before you die. The intensity can be cut with a knife, and the students are louder than ever. Who would have thought students who have the same classes with each other, and probably party together could hate each other so much in one night. Enough said, GO STAGS!!!!!!!


I am with the Stag.  The atmosphere at the game tonight will fantastic.  It is as good a rivalry as there is in D3.  I went to the game in 2003 when PP was finishing 6th in SCIAC, and it was still as intense a game as I have ever been to.  It doesn't matter if the teams are fighting for 1st or 7th.  Isnt that what a rivalry is about?

Also, Oxybob, I am going to guess that there were more than 47 people at the PP-CLU game saturday night.

http://www.pomona.edu/Welcome/Trek/47trek.shtml
http://www.pomona.edu/Magazine/pcmfl00/1.shtml

I am guessing it the PP SIDs idea of a inside joke. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on February 19, 2007, 09:24:29 PM
Quote from: D3hoopguy on February 19, 2007, 09:00:50 PM
Quote from: cmsstag on February 19, 2007, 07:09:01 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 19, 2007, 02:57:00 PM
DIIIghetto:

>>Oh how I wish I could be in Claremont tonight<<

I'd like to be there at Rains to see if more than 47 people (http://www.clusports.com/stats/mens_basketball/2006_2007/0217PPM.HTM) show up to watch the game.

OxyBob

Bob, I can promise you there will be more than 47 people at the game tonight between cms and pomona. I can promise you that this will be a game to remember. You should probably take the night off watching your beloved tigers play, and come out and watch a great game with an awesome atmosphere. For those who have never been to one of these games, try to make your way out to one before you die. The intensity can be cut with a knife, and the students are louder than ever. Who would have thought students who have the same classes with each other, and probably party together could hate each other so much in one night. Enough said, GO STAGS!!!!!!!


I am with the Stag.  The atmosphere at the game tonight will fantastic.  It is as good a rivalry as there is in D3.  I went to the game in 2003 when PP was finishing 6th in SCIAC, and it was still as intense a game as I have ever been to.  It doesn't matter if the teams are fighting for 1st or 7th.  Isnt that what a rivalry is about?

Also, Oxybob, I am going to guess that there were more than 47 people at the PP-CLU game saturday night.

http://www.pomona.edu/Welcome/Trek/47trek.shtml
http://www.pomona.edu/Magazine/pcmfl00/1.shtml

I am guessing it the PP SIDs idea of a inside joke. 

Excellent.  Your first +k is from me.

Keep posting. :)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 19, 2007, 10:25:26 PM
Quote from: D3hoopguy on February 19, 2007, 09:00:50 PM
I am guessing it the PP SIDs idea of a inside joke. 

Kinda like taking an hour to post the score. :)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on February 20, 2007, 03:23:17 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 20, 2007, 02:20:22 AM
Thanks to D3hoopguy for the lowdown on the 47 joke. If someone tells a joke and no one laughs, is it still a joke?

diehardfan, "Angel, angel on the rim, please don't let that ball go in!"? Rim and in rhyme kinda sorta. Wouldn't that cheer work better as "Angel, angel on the rim, make this guy choke in our gym!"?
As a big fan of doing inside jokes with myself, yes, it was still a joke... and a darn funny one! :D

Sorry, the hard and soft sound order in that mess up the iambic thing going on in the original. Plus, I've always been a big fan of slant and sight rhymes as opposed to actual rhymes myself, like the ones found in  Shakespere's Sonnet 116 (http://www.shakespeare-online.com/sonnets/116.html), for example.

I just want to say that I heard tonight at the Redlands game that the Tiger stuffed animal thing was a copy! Sad! They apparently faced a school this year who had skewered a Bulldog. Bummer. Oh well, it was still funny!

Redlands won in overtime against Whittier, incidentally. But since the Redlands SID is good, I assume the box score is already up anyway!

And look, I'm right. :)

http://www.redlands.edu/prebuilt/pdf/athletics/2007basketball_mens/wc-ur.htm

This was a brutal game. And I don't mean that it was painful to watch, I mean that the players were being brutal to eachother. It was one seriously physical game, as games involving systemesque teams often are. After five minutes when Redlands had already scored 20, and Whittier was at 16(?) I thought, oh geeze, will someone play some defense? Redlands is on pace to score 160! And then they all did. Lots of pushing and fouls and audible from the stand slaps, and hustling for rebounds and forced TOs, and players falling to the ground. Both teams played with a lot of heart, and both were pretty determined not to lose which made the game a lot of fun to watch as a fan.

Mazarei had a nice Senior Night, with 37 pts and 4 steals. My personal favorite was the swish on the trey while falling down due to a foul that led to a 4 pt play. OH MY GOSH! Tim Fanning of Whittier, in addition to having a great game himself (12-21fg,  8-143pt,  5boards, 34pts and an A-TO of 5-2) played fairly solid D on the Redlands guys inc. Mazarei gets the brunt of all teams defensive game plan, and the fact that he still manages to do well says a lot about him!

But, I actually thought that Daniel Markus's performance tonight was more impressive. He scored 25 with 10-18 shooting (inc 5-8 from behind the arc) and just started off the overtime with a killer steal and trey combo that gave some huge momentum to Redlands that they carried through the rest of the overtime, going up as much as 11ish before Whittier started fouling with a minute and change on the clock.

I am looking forward to seeing how the Redlands big guys do under a normal system next year. They return everyone but Mazarei from this year's squad, which is obviously much improved compared to last year... even to the point where OxyBob had to stop referring to them as a freak show! :D I think Travis Miller is a gamer, and will get a chance to prove it under a more big guy friendly system. He hardly gets to shoot at all, but does it well when he does. And he already grabs plenty of boards. And he's only a Soph!  :o I saw flashes of talent in other young big guys as well.

While most people don't like system teams, I enjoy watching Redlands play because of the quality passing I get to see. The players are very aware of what's going on around the court, so even when they're driving they know where the open guy is outside along the arc. Seeing good passes is my favorite part of basketball, hands down. I get at least excited by a good pass as I would for a dunk. To be fair, Whittier definitely had a few passes that made me stand up and cheer tought. (In fact, a redlands fan came up to me after the game and said, so which team were you cheering for? You were applauding both teams! And I said, that's cause I was cheering for both teams! :D) But Redlands, in addition to forcing bad passes out of their opponents (they had 26 steals as a team tonight) posted an even A-TO ratio which is pretty healthy in a game that had this much physical play and was even to the point of being wild at times. With the pace of system ball, you have to pass fast and well to get the ball to the other players scampering about at the speed of light. And that's what makes what other people are rude enough to call "not basketball" good basketball to me. :) And incidentally, under a more patient offense their strong passing skills will come in handy and could make for some very fun to watch basketball.

And this is one heck of a long post, so I better quit while it's only barely tomorrow. I hope that all counts as saying something nice about Redlands, Donald.  :D ;)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on February 20, 2007, 10:47:32 AM
dhf,

If you like good passing, I hope you have a chance to see Mississippi College.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TeeDub on February 20, 2007, 11:12:13 AM
From the Pool C board:

Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 20, 2007, 05:01:39 AM
Through Sunday's games:

Rank   Points   Team
    1   11.818   UW-Stevens Point
     9   10.667   Occidental
  10   10.640   St. Thomas
  18   10.364   UW-Oshkosh
  19   10.318   St. John's
  40     9.905   Loras
  44     9.864   Whitworth
  46     9.857   UW-La Crosse
  58     9.529   Lewis and Clark
  68      9.400   Redlands 
  74      9.263   Cal Lutheran
  87     9.050   Puget Sound
  89     9.000   Coe
  91      9.000   Pomona-Pitzer
101     8.810   Simpson
106     8.700   Buena Vista
131     8.450   UW-Platteville
143      8.267   Claremont-Mudd-Scripps
156     8.118   Chapman
170     7.889   Pacific
171     7.875   Gustavus Adolphus
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on February 20, 2007, 11:42:31 AM
Congratulations to the Tigers on taking one gaint leap further towards getting the SCIAC crown back at the Rock.

To all of you posters that attended the games over the weekend, thank you for your opinions, details about the games and analysis. After reaidng several post, it sounds like Whitman is back to his old self (as a good player), betty continues to grow stronger, and the rest of the team is supporting like a strong cast. I am glad that Coach Newhall and Co. are doing their best to get their offense strong and their defense stronger. Something that sure will be needed in the next games.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DIIIghetto on February 20, 2007, 01:47:19 PM
Kats with a sweep over Scali.  Yeeoowch.  Payback.   

Can someone who actually understands how this works explain the scenarios for the dance.   From what JR clipped, it looks like Oxy may be looking at a home game.  I am sure that scenario is likely to have some NWC fans in a frenzy.  How much of a pipedream is a regional at Cal Lu?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on February 20, 2007, 02:27:23 PM
Ghetto-

I'd like to know as well - I know that when CLU's facilities were designed they were built with hosting regional/national events in mind (e.g. numerous visiting locker rooms, separate practice gym, etc.).  I don't know what kind of chance there is for the NCAA to set up a regional at CLU - but I'd love to see it, I might even be inspired to provide chocolate chip rolls for the Oxy student section  ;D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on February 20, 2007, 05:13:45 PM
Scandii----
That sounds like a good idea and great exposure for the SCIAC, but, when all is said and the powers that Be pick a setting for Oxy's first round at the dance, i rather that the game is played at the Rock. You could still bring your famous Chocolate chip T.o. Rolls, btw.

Here's to the final step in taking on Whitter Thursday night. I hope the men in Orange and Black do not look past this game, as well. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on February 20, 2007, 10:25:10 PM
Quote from: scandihoovian on February 20, 2007, 02:27:23 PM
Ghetto-

I'd like to know as well - I know that when CLU's facilities were designed they were built with hosting regional/national events in mind (e.g. numerous visiting locker rooms, separate practice gym, etc.).  I don't know what kind of chance there is for the NCAA to set up a regional at CLU - but I'd love to see it, I might even be inspired to provide chocolate chip rolls for the Oxy student section  ;D
Uhm, unless two things are true, this won't happen. Unless:

1) there is a college too small to host a sectional and they apply to host it at CLU. Regionals don't have a size limit and well, I also can't think of any that are too small to host a sectional out here anyway since the limit is a mere 1000. Maybe Cal Tech? Does their gym fit 1000? I can't recall...

2) CLU makes the playoffs

Who would give up the home advantage of something like an Oxy student section to play somewhere just cause it's pretty and new and shiny an hour away? :P ;)

Quote from: Jordis Rocks on February 20, 2007, 11:12:13 AM
From the Pool C board:
     9   10.667   Occidental
Wow, that's even better than I thought it would be from the win against Redlands. Nice. Maybe we'll get a home playoff game out here after all! Wooo! :) :) :)

Quote from: Gray Fox on February 20, 2007, 10:47:32 AM
dhf,
If you like good passing, I hope you have a chance to see Mississippi College.
I hope I get to see them too! Perhaps in Salem?

Quote from: OxyBob on February 20, 2007, 09:33:15 AM
diehardfan:

>>I've always been a big fan of slant and sight rhymes as opposed to actual rhymes myself, like the ones found in  Shakespere's Sonnet 116, for example.<<

>>They return everyone but Mazarei from this year's squad, which is obviously much improved compared to last year... even to the point where OxyBob had to stop referring to them as a freak show!<<

What's in a name? That which we call a rose by any other name would smell as freak.

OxyMercutio
???

That is obviously not Sonnet 116. And there isn't an intended slant or sight rhyme in that original line. Shame on your house and all your English Literature teachers' houses.

:D (yes, I do get it, and yes it's very clever)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on February 21, 2007, 12:11:54 AM
Quote from: diehardfan on February 20, 2007, 10:25:10 PM
Quote from: scandihoovian on February 20, 2007, 02:27:23 PM
Ghetto-

I'd like to know as well - I know that when CLU's facilities were designed they were built with hosting regional/national events in mind (e.g. numerous visiting locker rooms, separate practice gym, etc.).  I don't know what kind of chance there is for the NCAA to set up a regional at CLU - but I'd love to see it, I might even be inspired to provide chocolate chip rolls for the Oxy student section  ;D
Uhm, unless two things are true, this won't happen. Unless:

1) there is a college too small to host a sectional and they apply to host it at CLU. Regionals don't have a size limit and well, I also can't think of any that are too small to host a sectional out here anyway since the limit is a mere 1000. Maybe Cal Tech? Does their gym fit 1000? I can't recall...

2) CLU makes the playoffs

Who would give up the home advantage of something like an Oxy student section to play somewhere just cause it's pretty and new and shiny an hour away? :P ;)

Thanks for the insight - I didn't figure it was likely, just a lot of fun for yours truly if it did fall that way.  ;) :D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on February 21, 2007, 01:59:36 AM
Quote from: scandihoovian on February 21, 2007, 12:11:54 AM
Quote from: diehardfan on February 20, 2007, 10:25:10 PM
Quote from: scandihoovian on February 20, 2007, 02:27:23 PM
Ghetto-

I'd like to know as well - I know that when CLU's facilities were designed they were built with hosting regional/national events in mind (e.g. numerous visiting locker rooms, separate practice gym, etc.).  I don't know what kind of chance there is for the NCAA to set up a regional at CLU - but I'd love to see it, I might even be inspired to provide chocolate chip rolls for the Oxy student section  ;D
It's cool, I'm still hoping against hope that SoCal gets to host right though the elite eight ;)
Uhm, unless two things are true, this won't happen. Unless:

1) there is a college too small to host a sectional and they apply to host it at CLU. Regionals don't have a size limit and well, I also can't think of any that are too small to host a sectional out here anyway since the limit is a mere 1000. Maybe Cal Tech? Does their gym fit 1000? I can't recall...

2) CLU makes the playoffs

Who would give up the home advantage of something like an Oxy student section to play somewhere just cause it's pretty and new and shiny an hour away? :P ;)

Thanks for the insight - I didn't figure it was likely, just a lot of fun for yours truly if it did fall that way.  ;) :D
NP... I'm still hoping we host out here in SoCal right thought the Elite 8... a girl can dream, no? :D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on February 21, 2007, 03:05:00 AM
We've decided to broadcast Oxy's game at Whittier this Thursday.  www.oxybroadcast.com. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DIIIghetto on February 21, 2007, 02:37:03 PM
OB, good analyses but without Knowles, I'm giving the early nod to CLU for next year.  If CMS can get a win against CLU, couple that with a very strong W over Oxy and you see that the Stags will be fighting for a spot in the conference tourney.  The Stags can beat anyone in the conference on a given night.   If Oxy can't recruit some bigs who can contribute immediately - something they haven't done in several years - then even though they will be tough with CW and what they have coming back in the backcourt, they will struggle against bigger SCIAC teams.

Here is to hoping Redlands doesn't go after Pacific's coach.   The Admin and SID out there like winners. 

We need the Tigers to get a W so we can all clamor for a home game or two.  Absent that, they are likely to get shipped up to the NW.  Oxy played UPS tough for 35 minutes last year in Tacoma.  Tough to win on the road without a Song Cun.   CW would have to show a lot more than he did last year.  Somebody told me he was sick in that game but some UPS fan told me he thought Oxy's guards looked scared.   With another year under their belt, and a host of seniors, I think this Oxy team is definitely capable of making some post-season noise and coming through in a difficult, unfamiliar environment. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: NWCer on February 21, 2007, 03:06:25 PM
Greetings from the NWC.

Ghetto, Redlands would go after Pacific's head man, I don't want to see that obviously (my loyalties ride with the Boxers), why don't you want to see it?

Our tourney starts today, either way I think your guys' Oxy Tigers are going to get a home game and we'll send someone down there.  I think you want UPS to win our tourney, LC and Whitworth are better teams (than UPS).
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DIIIghetto on February 21, 2007, 03:30:27 PM
NWCer, it looks from a distance that Whitworth is the best team but for some reason has problems matching up with UPS.  Your tourney should be very interesting and is a great example of why I am eager to have a similar format in the SCIAC.   We don't want KL at Redlands because I think he is the type of coach who could use the admin support they have out there and get some conference titles in short order.    I am one who is going to miss the TFS at Redlands mostly because as OB pointed out, although fun to watch, it was a system that the conference leaders could usually count on to get two Ws against. 

OB, the NWC is relevant because until we can prove that we can beat them in the post-season, we are their red-headed step-child.   I'll talk about it all day long until we do that.  As far as CMS goes, I'm giving them kudos because they spanked the Tigers convincingly at home.  They definitely had an implosion this year and I'm not sure why.  CLU may be boring but they take care of the ball and have good bigs - recipe for success.  It remains to be seen what PP will look like in the post-Knowles era.   With Kats, I always have them in the consideration set, but will have to see how they replace that stud. 




Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: NWCer on February 21, 2007, 03:49:53 PM
Ghetto, like you I hope Redlands doesn't take our coach, he has my Boxers turning the corner for the first time in a decade.

You're right, your representative needs to prove at some point they can beat ours in POST-season.  I know it's been nearly 50-50 in the regular season lately, barring this year I think.  I know our 6th place team Willamette and 4th place team Pacific both spanked CLU at home, and Whitworth beat CLU over on the island, CLU did however beat our co-champ LC over there.  Give CLU credit though for playing nearly half our league, looks like they have a nice schedule.  We admit that UPS ducked your better teams on this year's trip, pretty lame going down and playing Whittier and La Verne.

Last year was good for you guys having P-P and Oxy both get Whitworth, but equally bad having your conference champs swept up at Fox and Pacific.

I think the stars are aligned for you to get one of our teams at your place for the first time ever in the postseason, if you don't get it done this year at home, there can be no more talk about comparing the NWC and SCIAC, there will no longer be a comparison.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciacguru on February 21, 2007, 04:50:41 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 21, 2007, 03:18:19 PM
DIIIghetto:

Why do you continue to harp on the Oxy-UPS game from last season like it was the all-time defining moment for Oxy basketball? Geez, Louise, enough already. Oxy had the lead in that game with about 5:30 to go, but UPS ended up winning on its home court after receiving a bye, so good for the Loggers. That was a pretty darn good UPS team, wasn't it?

Watching Cal Lutheran play is like watching a rerun of the Andy Griffith Show. You have Sheriff Taylor at center, Howard Sprauge and Otis Campbell at forward, Barney Fife and Gomer Pyle at guard, and Floyd Lawson and Helen Crump off the bench.

No the all-time defining moment in Oxy basketball is the Song Cun "broken ankle" move against Aurora.  It seems to be more of a "broken record" now....wasn't that 4 years ago?

And the analogy of the CLU center and Sheriff Taylor is appropriate, since Miller did "lock up" Betty in both contests.  I do think the Andy Griffith Show was quite popular.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciacguru on February 21, 2007, 05:17:06 PM
OxyBoob,

Once again you leave out the important details....

Sam Betty averages 19.7 ppg
  So he avg. 11 ppg against CLU.....8 below is average.
Sam Betty shoots 56% from the field
  Against CLU he shot 9-26 (35%)

Zach Miller averages 10.5 ppg on 56% shooting.
  Against Oxy he averaged 13 ppg on 12-23 shooting (52%)

Pretty darn good defense from a fictitious character.  I would consider that a "locking up" on an All-American candidate.

Yes, Oxy did beat CLU twice, as a top 25 team should do to a team that starts 2 juniors, 2 freshmen, and a sophomore.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: NWCer on February 21, 2007, 07:51:38 PM
It was 2003 the last time one of our teams opened on the road in the tourney, UPS had a first round bye ever since, won't be the case this year, we won't be 1 home win away from the sweet 16 again, we'll have to go through sunny so cal, but I think we're up to it.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DIIIghetto on February 21, 2007, 10:17:42 PM
NWCer, I don't see why you wouldn't be confident heading into a post-season game against a SCIAC opponent.   When you guys come down to LA and start to think that you are good enough to 'steal one', we will have arrived. 

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: castle on February 22, 2007, 12:11:45 AM
OxyBob,

looks like your Tigers are in again; much props for back to back tourny appearances.  Does this team have a shot to make a run like the '02-'03 team?

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fosheezie on February 22, 2007, 01:05:04 AM
A couple of things.  First and foremost a question.  Any chance that Cal Lu will get a bid into the tourney with an 18-7 overall record?  Even if its on the road?

Good to see PP go out playing well.  Great to see David Knowles go out playing like we all know he can.  He is a greater kid than he is a player.  He will be hard to replace.  A senior ball handler who can bury it from deep.  Kats has definately showed his magic taking this young team and performing after that putz from NC State decided to jump ship.

Tomorrow I will be a huge, and I mean huge fan of the Poets.  You guys are due for an upset.  Take em out.   Down with the Tigers.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fosheezie on February 22, 2007, 01:06:58 AM
Are there really rumors going around that Redlands is going after Jason Lowery who is currently at Pacific up in Oregon?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: castle on February 22, 2007, 01:50:20 AM
No chance CLU gets in at 18-7, as much as I would like to see that.  Next year's team looks very promising.

Lowery to Redlands...interesting
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: NWCer on February 22, 2007, 01:58:38 AM
Ghetto, don't worry, I'm confident that Whitworth or LC will go down to Oxy and win.  Just saying that it won't be as convenient as it has been the last couple of seasons with that first round bye and then a home game.

Let's kill all this Lowery to Redlands talk please, leave our coach alone >:(, please anyway :-\
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on February 22, 2007, 11:03:51 AM
One game at a time is indeed what any Oxy sports team likes to do. The Oxy game v.s. Whittier should not be looked beyond, as any result from this can have big implications on how the "Powers that Be" make a choice for Oxy's date to the big dance. I certainly don't want to hear that the Men in orange and black have to get sent away from the Rock for their first game of the post-season. Here's to a good game by the tigers tonight. I am sure they will be motivated in keeping "THe Shoes" at the Rock.......oh wait, wrong season....

Hey Newbie (NWcer), i'm not sure why you have some much confident that Whitworth or LC will come down to Rock and win. In fact, this time around  it diffenetly won't be as convenient as it has been for your NWC teams the last couple of seasons with that first round bye and then a home game.

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciac_is_fun on February 22, 2007, 12:35:26 PM
OB,
I think you overstate Oxy's 'balance' a little bit.  Granted, they do have more than one guy who can score, but I would call 'balance' when any one of 5 guys can go off on a given night.  Whitman, Betty, and perhaps Kostic are capable of that, but when I've watched them, it seems guys like Zebb and Mills only score when the defense is so concerned about Betty or CW that they forget to cover those guys. 

On the other hand, maybe having 3 guys that can score is balance in this league...kinda sad...

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on February 22, 2007, 11:16:14 PM
I do not believe my ears... Whittier is currently beating Occidental!!!!

Whittier 23, Oxy 21, HALF

Whitter closes the half on a 14-3 run.

??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on February 22, 2007, 11:48:27 PM
Quote from: diehardfan on February 22, 2007, 11:16:14 PM
I do not believe my ears... Whittier is currently beating Occidental!!!!

Whittier 23, Oxy 21, HALF

Whitter closes the half on a 14-3 run.

??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
dhf,
Is tigersports keeping from offending your ears by cutting off the broadcast entirely with WC up by ten?  Mercy rule? ???
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D O.C. on February 22, 2007, 11:51:52 PM
I cannot get the game on Windows MP from the OXY site....

Mind giving time and score?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on February 23, 2007, 12:00:41 AM
Quote from: D O.C. on February 22, 2007, 11:51:52 PM
I cannot get the game on Windows MP from the OXY site....

Mind giving time and score?
I think there is a major glitch.  Oxy and Craig Dunkin are both having trouble.  I even rebooted, but it didn't help.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on February 23, 2007, 12:06:11 AM
Quote from: D O.C. on February 22, 2007, 11:51:52 PM
I cannot get the game on Windows MP from the OXY site....

Mind giving time and score?
Yeah, it turned off a while ago. Little anxiety goin on right now for Oxy fans...  :o

Oshkosh lost tonight too, they were oddly ranked above Oxy in the last West poll despite no logical reason that I could see. Oxy will pass them for sure in the regional rankings (obviously important from a seeding perspective) if they win tonight. Though I must admit that until a half hour ago, I would have expected that to be WHEN they win tonight.  :-\

Whittier gave Redlands quite the game too... I thought they looked pretty good, but assumed it was a fluke. Apparently it's not. it's a shame they're peaking so late in the season, they could have really made things interesting in the SCIAC if they had gotten decent earlier!  :o
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on February 23, 2007, 12:09:37 AM
They are making things interesting enough if they force a playoff game.

I guess you should have kept your poll open!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on February 23, 2007, 12:16:34 AM
Quote from: Gray Fox on February 23, 2007, 12:09:37 AM
They are making things interesting enough if they force a playoff game.

I guess you should have kept your poll open!
Sounds like a bunch of us are trying to listen... maybe we overloaded it! :D

And, you may be right!  :o
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on February 23, 2007, 12:22:49 AM
Quote from: diehardfan on February 23, 2007, 12:16:34 AM
Quote from: Gray Fox on February 23, 2007, 12:09:37 AM
They are making things interesting enough if they force a playoff game.

I guess you should have kept your poll open!
Sounds like a bunch of us are trying to listen... maybe we overloaded it! :D

And, you may be right!  :o
I was paying bills on line.  It must be some security in the banking system.  Sorry! :-[
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on February 23, 2007, 12:28:21 AM
CLU lost 62-49.   Makes Oxy game moot.

PP 77-72 winner at La Verne

Redlands 125-43

Which game was OxyBob attending?

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on February 23, 2007, 01:05:55 AM
Whitter lost by two in 2OT... WOW!  :o
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DIIIghetto on February 23, 2007, 01:23:03 AM
Now we are talking.  Can't believe Oxy pulled that one out.  I got cut off when they were down 10 with 10 to go.  Talk about stepping up.  Many of us will be looking forward to OB's game summary - since heaven knows their non-existent SID won't put anything up worthy of the Tiger's athletic program (or some 8th grade parochial school programs for that matter).  Just a huge, huge win. 

Pulling for a 'bye' and then sold out game at Hershey Park West.

Congrats to the Tiger nation and thanks for helping make our conference relevant beyond the friendly sunny confines of Southern California.  Bask in it tonight, maybe even tomorrow, then get ready to go to war to show some folks in other parts of the country that you can play.   

OB, make sure that you include in your post a comment about how wrong I was about CMS...



Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bbaddict on February 23, 2007, 01:41:58 AM
DIIIghetto.   So, at the risk of sounding dreadfully misinformed, how is it that Oxy, who just won by 2 points in OT over a team at the bottom of the SCIAC, with a score befitting a women's regulation length BB game is going to show the country anything?  Just wondering?

And, I'm still wondering how Oxy ranks above Whitworth regionally.  Some things just don't make sense.   I'm ready to be enlightened.

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on February 23, 2007, 01:53:57 AM
Quote from: bbaddict on February 23, 2007, 01:41:58 AM
DIIIghetto.   So, at the risk of sounding dreadfully misinformed, how is it that Oxy, who just won by 2 points in OT over a team at the bottom of the SCIAC, with a score befitting a women's regulation length BB game is going to show the country anything?  Just wondering?

And, I'm still wondering how Oxy ranks above Whitworth regionally.  Some things just don't make sense.   I'm ready to be enlightened.

2   11.391   1   UW-Stevens Point   0.957 (22-1)   23-2
7   10.640   2   St. Thomas   0.880 (22-3)   22-3
14   10.318   3   St. John's   0.864 (19-3)   19-6
17   10.250   4   Occidental   0.813 (13-3)   18-5
28   10.000   5   UW-Oshkosh   0.783 (18-5)   21-5
34   9.909   6   Whitworth   0.864 (19-3)   22-3

Occidental is higher in QOWI by a lot, that's how. What REALLY surprises me is that Occidental was ranked below Oshkosh, not that they were above Whitworth. They must be using other criteria besides the most common ones to do that one. I assume that after Oshkosh lost they aren't going to be ahead of Oxy in the super secret rankings done Sunday for the selection/seeding process.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Howlinwolf on February 23, 2007, 03:02:03 AM
Quote from: bbaddict on February 23, 2007, 01:41:58 AM
DIIIghetto.   So, at the risk of sounding dreadfully misinformed, how is it that Oxy, who just won by 2 points in OT over a team at the bottom of the SCIAC, with a score befitting a women's regulation length BB game is going to show the country anything?  Just wondering?

And, I'm still wondering how Oxy ranks above Whitworth regionally.  Some things just don't make sense.   I'm ready to be enlightened.



The Era of Enlightenment:
a)Whittier was finally at full strength
after a series of injuries that depleted their squad virtually the entire year.
b)The game was at Whittier, the season finale. 
c) Oh, and one other minor tidbit - Oxy goes its second consecutive game without its star, Betty, arguably one of the top two players in SCIAC.

Gutsy win.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bbaddict on February 23, 2007, 03:24:25 AM
That's what I'm talking about -- the QOWI --  how is it that Oxy has such a high rating when it plays Cal Tech twice & Whittier twice.   What coulda, shoulda, mighta been doesn't count -- only actual wins & players actually playing count.   Whitworth beat Cal Lutheran which is one of SCIAC's big guns, right? 

I'm not arguing that it was a great win for Oxy or that Whittier might have been having a late season burst, but c'mon 62-60 with TWO overtimes?  The game at LC against UPS was 66-60 in regulation and everyone wondered why such low scores. 

Guess we'll find out in the playoffs, but it seems that Oxy might be overrated on paper.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bucs77 on February 23, 2007, 03:29:32 AM
Doesn't really make sense to me either seeing as how the NWC is ranked above the SCIAC in the Massey rankings and obviously a tougher league top to bottom.  Who have they played to make their QOWI so high?  St. Thomas?  La Sierra?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on February 23, 2007, 03:30:32 AM
Quote from: bbaddict on February 23, 2007, 03:24:25 AM
Guess we'll find out in the playoffs, but it seems that Oxy might be overrated on paper.

If Betty's injury is serious (a week worth of games is not nothing so maybe it's significant) and Oxy plays without their All American, I don't think how Oxy does in the tournament will reflect badly on how their were rated earlier on. Sorry just wouldn't make sense.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bbaddict on February 23, 2007, 04:17:29 AM
So, basically diehardfan, you're saying that Oxy isn't that great without Betty?  Here in the NWC, we consider basketball a team sport -- injuries happen, but there's someone eager & ready to pick up where that one left off.  All teams deal with injuries and heaven forbid, academic ineligibility -- but they win & lose as a team.   I hope Betty gets better if they have to play either LC or Whitworth because they are both deep teams -- lots of talent!

No one has answered the question about WHO Oxy actually plays during the regular season that gives them such OOMPH in the QOWI.   

Thanks for backing me up bucs77 -- I just really don't get the discrepancy between the QOWI stuff and the Top 25 polls.  I think sometimes teams get extra points for their history and it should start with a clean slate each season.

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on February 23, 2007, 04:20:32 AM
My apologies for the broadcast tonight.  For whatever reason, an internet connection was hard to come by (I blame the scoreboard operator  :) -- see below)  

Anyway, here is the last 17 seconds of the second OT:

http://media.libsyn.com/media/oxybroadcast/oxy-wc-last17.mp3

Not sure if any of you know about how regulation ended, but for those that weren't there, here goes.  Game tied at 46, 8.5 seconds left.  Inbound to Fanning, Oxy, seeing that the scoreboard says that WC has four fouls, fouls Fanning on the floor with 2.5 left.  Only, you guessed, the woman running the scoreboard hasn't exactly paid attention to every last foul committed by the home side.  In fact, the official book had it at 6 fouls at the time.  After a lengthy discussion, it's determined that it's a 1 and 1.

Oxy, as you can imagine, goes ballistic.  Even Newhall gets mad.  Hennacy and the Whittier SID (who has the official book but hasn't seen fit to tell the scoreboard operator that she's off a foul or two) start screaming at each other.  One of the refs tells Hennacy, "It's not my job to count the fouls."  Fans come down in the stands and start yelling at the WC game personnel, including yelling at a guy that is probably the AD.  Security is called in because the crowd is getting unruly and the situation may turn ugly.

So Fanning, about an 83% shooter is at the line to win the game.   It's senior night, he's gotten his flowers and proud hugs from his parents, played a great game and steps to the line.    Of course, he misses and the game goes to OT.  

After a 6-6 first OT, the game goes to the double-ot.  WC has at least two chances to take a five point lead but can't.  Finally, Whitman, who was about 1 for 97 in the game, makes a three to tie it.  After a turnover, Kostic scores to give Oxy the lead.  McLean makes a tough putback with 24 seconds left to tie it.  After a time out, Whitman drives and his shot is blocked.  McLean picks it up and takes a couple of dribbles and Whitman hacks him, but there's no call and Whitman gets the steal.  He passes to Pitcher, who's only in the game because Betty is hurt and Mills has fouled out and drains an 18-footer.   Ritter then barely misses from midcourt and Oxy wins and goes to the tourney (and a certain announcer goes the Leonard Tose route).   We then find out that Cal Lu lost and Oxy was in anyway.  No one really cares.

Anyway, great and memorable ending.  Sam better get healthy real quick.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on February 23, 2007, 04:37:49 AM
Quote from: bbaddict on February 23, 2007, 04:17:29 AM
So, basically diehardfan, you're saying that Oxy isn't that great without Betty?  Here in the NWC, we consider basketball a team sport -- injuries happen, but there's someone eager & ready to pick up where that one left off.  All teams deal with injuries and heaven forbid, academic ineligibility -- but they win & lose as a team.   I hope Betty gets better if they have to play either LC or Whitworth because they are both deep teams -- lots of talent!
No, that's actually not what I said at all. What I said was essentially that any team who loses an All American caliber player, and a senior team leader is not going to be as good as they would have been when he was playing. At the very least, they're going to have to make some major adjustments, and that takes time to do well, and may not be easily done when it only becomes necessary the week of the playoffs.

That's just common sense, and it's not the same as just any old player getting an injury... and you know it. If Oxy is unsuccessful without him, and I'm not even necessarily saying they will be, I don't think it would be fair to instantly judge and dismiss the attention they have gotten to date as inaccurate and unfounded. A different team will have lost than the one that received that attention.

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on February 23, 2007, 04:43:41 AM
Quote from: tigersports on February 23, 2007, 04:20:32 AM
We then find out that Cal Lu lost and Oxy was in anyway.  No one really cares.
As I've already explained, this game mattered a lot in terms of regional ranking and playoff seeding. This game may be the difference between a hosting nod, or not. There's no way to tell. That's why there are no games that are meaningless against a fellow DIII regional opponent.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on February 23, 2007, 04:56:25 AM
What I meant, but did not state clearly, was that no one really cared that Cal Lu had lost in the aftermath of what happened.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on February 23, 2007, 04:59:02 AM
OB, I focused on the lack of imagination exhibited by the WC cheering section and that more should be expected from a SCIAC school.  That's something I would expect from Oregon State.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 23, 2007, 05:26:59 AM
Quote from: tigersports on February 23, 2007, 04:59:02 AM
OB, I focused on the lack of imagination exhibited by the WC cheering section and that more should be expected from a SCIAC school.  That's something I would expect from Oregon State.

When your team's nickname is the Poets, your student section's vulgarity should at least rhyme, if nothing else.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TeeDub on February 23, 2007, 12:59:09 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 23, 2007, 03:14:43 AM
Through Thursday:

Rank   QOWI   Rk in-reg   Team   Reg. W-L   Overall
2   11.565   1   UW-Stevens Point   0.958 (23-1)   24-2
6   10.692   2   St. Thomas   0.885 (23-3)   23-3
12   10.412   3   Occidental   0.824 (14-3)   19-5
15   10.391   4   St. John's   0.870 (20-3)   20-6
30   10.000   5   Loras   0.818 (18-4)   20-6
34   9.913   6   UW-La Crosse   0.739 (17-6)   19-7
35   9.909   7   Whitworth   0.864 (19-3)   22-3
38   9.833   8   UW-Oshkosh   0.750 (18-6)   21-6
41   9.778   9   Lewis and Clark   0.778 (14-4)   19-6
67   9.235   10   Redlands   0.765 (13-4)   17-7
72   9.148   11   UW-Whitewater   0.667 (18-9)   18-9
85   9.000   12   Pomona-Pitzer   0.688 (11-5)   16-8
89   8.952   13   Puget Sound   0.714 (15-6)   18-7
90   8.952   14   Buena Vista   0.667 (14-7)   17-8
91   8.952   15   Cal Lutheran   0.619 (13-8)   17-8
96   8.880   16   Coe   0.680 (17-8)   19-8
98   8.783   17   Simpson   0.609 (14-9)   18-9
104   8.720   18   Bethel   0.680 (17-8)   18-8
129   8.353   19   Claremont-Mudd-Scripps   0.588 (10-7)   15-10
148   8.118   20   Chapman   0.706 (12-5)   19-5
150   8.095   21   UW-Platteville   0.524 (11-10)   13-12
156   8.000   22   Gustavus Adolphus   0.538 (14-12)   14-13
169   7.889   23   Pacific   0.556 (10-8)   12-13
174   7.864   24   Carleton   0.500 (11-11)   11-15
190   7.654   25   St. Olaf   0.500 (13-13)   13-14
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on February 23, 2007, 01:14:51 PM
Congrats to Redlands on a fine season. They really pulled out all the stops this year and did their best to send Gary Smith out on a high note. The more I read and hear about this Lowery guy I can't help but hope that Jeff Martinez can snag him away from Pacific. He seems like a bright, up and coming coach. He would be perfect to lead the charge in revitalizing Redlands basketball. I hope it happens.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on February 23, 2007, 01:15:35 PM
Also, congrats to Oxy in winning SCIAC and good luck in the playoffs.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on February 23, 2007, 01:40:29 PM
From Oxy's website:

Tigers Head for NCAA Tourney

(February 23, 2007)

The Occidental men's basketball team clinched the conference championship and its third trip to the NCAA tourney in five years Thursday night with a thrilling, last-second double overtime victory at Whittier, 63-61.

With the game tied at 61 and just 7 seconds on the clock, junior guard Connor Whitman stole the ball as Whittier was inbounding and passed it to junior forward Chris Pitcher, who hit an 18-footer with less than 2 seconds to spare. A mid-court desperation shot from the never-say-die Poets, who won just three SCIAC games this season, clanged off the rim but failed to drop.

The Tigers, ranked No. 19 this week by D3hoops.com, finished conference play with a 12-2 record, 19-5 overall. They now advance to the NCAA Division III playoffs for the second consecutive year. Playoff brackets are scheduled to be released at approximately 9 a.m. EST on Monday, Feb. 26.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bucs77 on February 23, 2007, 01:46:39 PM
DHF,
         Thats what I was wondering.  How does Oxy have such a high QOWI.  Who have they played? and the league isn't too tough top to bottom.  Is it just that the teams they have played are mostly around or above .500.  I think WW got screwed by having two teams in the league who were above .500 lose 4 of their last 5 and drop everyone's QOWI in the NWC.  If thats the case there is nothing that you can do about that.  I'm talking about preseason scheduling, should WW have done anything different?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on February 23, 2007, 02:00:47 PM
Quote from: bbaddict on February 23, 2007, 03:24:25 AM
That's what I'm talking about -- the QOWI --  how is it that Oxy has such a high rating when it plays Cal Tech twice & Whittier twice.   What coulda, shoulda, mighta been doesn't count -- only actual wins & players actually playing count.   Whitworth beat Cal Lutheran which is one of SCIAC's big guns, right? 

I'm not arguing that it was a great win for Oxy or that Whittier might have been having a late season burst, but c'mon 62-60 with TWO overtimes?  The game at LC against UPS was 66-60 in regulation and everyone wondered why such low scores. 

Guess we'll find out in the playoffs, but it seems that Oxy might be overrated on paper.

Just like there would have been no impact on Linfield's football program in '05 if Brett Elliott or Casey Allen had gone down and no impact on Tiger football if Andy Collins got hurt . . .

Of course it's a "team" bbaddict.  Isn't the the quality of a team determined by the sum of its parts and how they fit together?  If you have to replace a key team member with one who is not as experienced, talented, etc., then the quality of the team may be impacted don't you think?

As far as who Oxy's played, that can be found here:
http://departments.oxy.edu/athletics/basketball-men/scheduleresults.htm

As Whitworth's schedule and results can be found here:
http://www.whitworth.edu/Athletics/Teams/Schedules/Index.aspx?id=2

The differences in the QWI index are no doubt explained  and supported by a quick look at the results of Whitworth's and Oxy's outings against the Mighty Beavers of Caltech.

Oxy won by point differentials of +63 and +76 whereas the Bearcats managed to "bearly" (so funny) squeek by da Beavers with a +53

ipso, ergo, factor, veni, vidi, vici, res ipsa loquitur


Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bucs77 on February 23, 2007, 02:09:46 PM
Who are the Bearcats?  There be Pirates in these Waters ;)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on February 23, 2007, 02:42:26 PM
Congratulations to the Tigers in getting the 07 Bball crown.

As i had expected, imagined and posted several days ago, Oxy's game against whitter shouldn't have been looked beyond. However, things happen and all we can do is just move on.

Since the post-season is just right around the corner and likely to arrive at the Rock, I just can't help to stop laughing at the posters from the NWC or from any other league who jump on this board and are ready to discredit a league champ. They did it last year with CMS and when Oxy was allowed into the dance. The only difference this year is that their beloved NWC representing team doesn't get a BYE and its not at their homecourt.
With the experience that several Oxy players have and the emergence of other players who did a fine job this season, It sure is going to be funny when these NWC poster start to eat crow on their ride back north. Let the big dance begin and lets see what the Powers that Be do for Oxy's first dance.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on February 23, 2007, 02:54:17 PM
Quote from: tigersports on February 23, 2007, 04:20:32 AM
(and a certain announcer goes the Leonard Tose route).
Leonard Tose "lost it".  You just were happy that the frustrating game was over.

Don't make that scoreboard operator your internet guru.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bucs77 on February 23, 2007, 03:00:07 PM
I don't think anyone is discrediting OXY.  It is tough to win any league championship so congrats to them.  I was simply wondering as to why their QOWI is so much higher lets take a look at the schedules:

                                                                          WW                                          OXY
tough preseason opponents:                     Wheaton (win)                          St. Thomas (loss)
                                                                   Cal Lu  (win)                        Wisconsin Lutheran? (win)
                                                                   Eastern? (win)                       Williams? (win)
                                                                   Bethany Lutheran? (win) 

Again I am not discrediting them at all, but rather using the arguement that some CCIW fans use.  Because we are in a tougher league where anyone can lose on any given night (UPS to Whitman) the league beats itself up and you have many teams who would be top three and at least 4 in the sciac finishing under 500 in the NWC which brings down all of our QOWI once they drop below that point.  All I am saying is that I think if OXY played WW's schedule they would be around 21-4 or 22-3 and if WW had played Oxys schedule they would be right where OXY is.  Its just a matter of playing the schedule you were dealt and hoping that the teams you beat don't lose 4 of their last 5 or something
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on February 23, 2007, 03:01:51 PM
Quote from: bucs77 on February 23, 2007, 02:09:46 PM
Who are the Bearcats?  There be Pirates in these Waters ;)

oops, my bad.   :)

Apologies to Buc nation, the differential stands, the bad pun does not.

cheers
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bucs77 on February 23, 2007, 04:50:02 PM
The post was by me not Sabertooth,
     But I was trying to come up with tough non conference for QOWI.  If we want to look at weak teams we can say Whitworth against Caltech and UC Santa Cruz twice maybe include Whittier but I read a few posts ago that they are better than their record and by staying with OXY last night they probably are.  As for OXY obviously a few teams in league and then I will say La Sierra but having not seen them play I can't really say if they are weak enoguh to be on the list.

OXYBOB,
I know the QOWI is correct and in place for a good reason but I guess what I'm trying to figure out is what is the best strategy in scheduling for a season.  You obviously can't control league scheduling, but is it better to schedule strong teams from other leagues and maybe not in region games or would it be better to play whoever you can in region like Santa Cruz or Caltech?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bucs77 on February 23, 2007, 04:56:53 PM
I don't think we can see eye to eye because of our Karma being exactly opposite either ;D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bucs77 on February 23, 2007, 05:50:01 PM
Also SCIAC followers,
       Don't really know what the situation is right now in finding a new coach for Redlands but in your search you should definately consider a guy named Rodney Wecker.  He is the assistant to Coach Hayford at Whitworth and actually won the AFLAC assistant coach of the year award a couple years ago.  In talking with some of the seniors on this years team there is no one who knows more about basketball and small college basketball especially than Rodney.  He is a great players coach and really seemes to be passionate about what he does.  Just my 2 cents. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DIIIghetto on February 23, 2007, 06:00:07 PM
Whitworth fans, I get to come back to my rant a while ago.  As great as your season was, I feel bad for your players by what the coaching staff did to them this year.  They made not one, but TWO trips to UC Santa Cruz.  Not to mention playing Cal Tech.  Those kids were good enough to replace those 3 games with good teams that actually help their ranking.  I think the coaching staff should have not been as concerned with what seemed pretty obvious to me (trying to preserve the secondary bid in the event that UPS once again walked away with the crown).  My guess is Whitworth's coaches figured out that had they not lost to Oxy and PP last year,  they would have had a great shot at getting the tourney nod that Oxy got last year.  Maybe that is sound reasoning.  But with so many solid guards and upperclassmen back, I would have had more confidence in my players. 

A healthy and rested Betty in Rush Gym will be trouble IF the Pirates beat LC.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on February 23, 2007, 07:04:05 PM
A healthy Betty, Pumped Up Whitman, eager to play Oxy Ballers, the Black hole student/Alumni section going crazy, old farts like Oxybob, Tooth and Tigersports gasping for air as they see the score in favor of the Men in orange and Black taking care of business at the Rock; what a long flight home for that NWC team.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: NWCer on February 23, 2007, 07:24:25 PM
Ghetto, can't argue with your critique on Whitworth's scheduling.  As I pointed out in an earlier post, we're also not proud of our dominant team of the past 3 years going down to play Whittier, La Verne, and Chapman this year, but I still like LC or Whitworth over Oxy, regardless of location, although I know it would be tough to go to the "southland" to get it, the game could go either way.

And thank you Bucs77 for throwing out the Whitworth assistant for the Redlands gig to take some light off our guy at Pacific, we don't want to lose him.  I don't know a whole lot about this Wecker guy, but Whitworth is consistently good, so I'm sure he either had something to do with it or is learning a hell of a lot.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bbaddict on February 23, 2007, 07:54:54 PM
Just to set the record straight -- Rodney Wecker is Co-coach for the Pirates, not an Assistant, so why would he want to go to Redlands when he can coach the talent at Whitworth?  I know some people think the world ends at the CA borders (kind of like Texans) but some people prefer to live where there's less people, affordable real estate, less traffic and clean air.

As for either LC or WW going to play at Oxy, they'll probably get shipped off to Wisconsin or some other place requiring a flight through Salt Lake City & a long bus ride place in the midwest.  They should be so lucky as to fly to LA for a game.  But my guess is that both Oxy and the NWC champ will get sent to the place described as "it's not the end of the world, but you can see it from there!"

Go Bucs!

P.S.  Oxy fans -- LC is orange, too!  FYI
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on February 24, 2007, 12:23:55 AM
Let's have Oxy play LC's football team. ;)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 24, 2007, 03:17:38 PM
Quote from: bbaddict on February 23, 2007, 07:54:54 PMAs for either LC or WW going to play at Oxy, they'll probably get shipped off to Wisconsin or some other place requiring a flight through Salt Lake City & a long bus ride place in the midwest.  They should be so lucky as to fly to LA for a game.  But my guess is that both Oxy and the NWC champ will get sent to the place described as "it's not the end of the world, but you can see it from there!"

My early guess is this:

Whitworth or L&C @ Oxy on Thursday night

winner @ UWSP on Saturday night

Stevens Point, WI is hardly the end of the world. It even has an airport, negating the need for the West Coast team to bus their way in from Madison or the Twin Cities.

Bucs77, non-conference scheduling is an absolutely vital consideration for any program that looks upon itself as a postseason contender -- and Whitworth is a strong enough program that the Pirates should always be in that category as long as Hayford is there. NWC and SCIAC teams have some logistical problems to sort out with their non-conference scheduling that other conferences in more D3-populous areas don't share, but it's still possible to construct a non-conference sked that is tailored to the primary criteria (QOWI, regional win pct., etc.) and also challenges the team to play well. I just don't see any reason for a team with March Madness aspirations to make a trip down to SoCal to play the likes of Caltech or UCSC. Those games are regional wins, yes, but they're QOWI-damaging, and they do absolutely nothing to make your team better in terms of being pushed by the competition.

If I'm going to the Golden State on my snowbird trip, and I think my team has a shot at a D3 tourney bid that year, I'm either gonna go the Wooster route and play a GSAC team or two that'll push my guys without hurting their D3 tourney credentials if the game's a loss, or else I'm gonna schedule top-half-of-the-SCIAC teams.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on February 24, 2007, 03:37:28 PM
Quote from: bbaddict on February 23, 2007, 07:54:54 PM
But my guess is that both Oxy and the NWC champ will get sent to the place described as "it's not the end of the world, but you can see it from there!"

I think that's what Point and Lawrence were saying when we came to UPS a couple of years ago for the sectional! lol  ;D :D ;)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on February 24, 2007, 04:58:00 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on February 20, 2007, 10:47:32 AM
dhf,

If you like good passing, I hope you have a chance to see Mississippi College.
The ASC tournament has a FREE Videocast.  Check out the address on the ASC board.

I'm posting this just before the MC / McMurry game on Saturday.  And I am assuming they will be playing tomorrow against Hardin Simmons (who just won the first game).
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciacguru on February 24, 2007, 05:15:35 PM
UNOFFICIAL ALL-SCIAC

MVP - Betty

1st Team
Knowles
Whitman
Mazarei
Maceira
Inniss
Meier

2nd Team
Fanning
Mills
Miller
McLean
Reynolds
Markus
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on February 24, 2007, 10:21:54 PM
New Poll! New Poll! New Poll!

I wanted to make it a poll that would give us who we thought was the best player, not necessarily a prediction of who will win.

The stats were the most recent cumulative stats for each player as found on www.thesciac.org.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: nwhoops1903 on February 25, 2007, 01:35:29 AM
Hey SCIACers, WW won their conf tourney tonight against the 4th best region team, Lewis and Clark.  I am thinking and hoping that Oxy might be catching a flight next week, here's why:

The five primary criteria listed in the D3 men's basketball championship handbook that are used for selection and seeding purposes are:

* regional winning percentage
* regional Quality of Wins Index
* in-region record against ranked teams
* in-region record head-to-head
* in-region record against common opponents

Oxy and WW didn't play each other.  As for the other 4 criteria, WW wins 3 of 4.  Tonights win against LC will help their QOWI as well, whereas Oxy's 2OT win at Whittier can't win any hearts or help their QOWI.

Have a nice evening.  Lets talk Tuesday.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bucs77 on February 25, 2007, 01:55:12 AM
Obviously I agree and can't think of any other reason besides QOWI that Oxy doesn't get on a flight to Spokane.

Its been snowing!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bbaddict on February 25, 2007, 03:30:17 AM
At the risk of sliding into negative karma land, I sure hope you guys (bucs77 & nwhoops) are right!  I really don't understand how all that NCAA computer stuff works & it seems like people argue endlessly about it. 

In the end, it's whatever the selection committee decides and sometimes it doesn't make sense.

Go Bucs & here's hoping for an at large for LC!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 25, 2007, 05:40:59 AM
Quote from: nwhoops1903 on February 25, 2007, 01:35:29 AM
Oxy and WW didn't play each other.  As for the other 4 criteria, WW wins 3 of 4. 

I think Whitworth led three of those four criteria last week, yet the regional committee still put Occidental ahead.

Wheaton might not be a ranked opponent this time around for Whitworth to use in its favor.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bucs77 on February 25, 2007, 04:08:18 PM
Hey Pat,
                 Just wondering how much weight they put on each criteria.  Is one much more important than the 3 others?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on February 26, 2007, 09:11:14 AM
It's only a six hour drive from Dallas to Clinton.  The Shrieveport casinos are halfway. :)

How can I make sure I have a ticket when I get there?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on February 26, 2007, 10:23:24 AM
Looks like the Tigers are traveling - but not in the direction we thought...

Anybody know anything about Maryville? (Gray Fox - I'm counting on you  :D )

Good luck to the Tigers on Friday Night!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on February 26, 2007, 11:10:08 AM
Quote from: scandihoovian on February 26, 2007, 10:23:24 AM
Looks like the Tigers are traveling - but not in the direction we thought...

Anybody know anything about Maryville? (Gray Fox - I'm counting on you  :D )

Good luck to the Tigers on Friday Night!
They did a videocast of the games over the weekend.  Hopefully they will do them again.  They were great.  I couldn't get it yesterday.  I'm assuming they just had too many viewers.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on February 26, 2007, 11:15:02 AM
Minimize those travel costs.  Fly only one team.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on February 26, 2007, 11:28:40 AM
The ASC fans must have protested too loudly. >:(
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on February 26, 2007, 11:44:41 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 26, 2007, 11:20:44 AM
Further SCIAC screwing...

The bracket was changed. Instead of Oxy playing unranked Maryville on the road, the Tigers will instead play No. 5 Mississippi College in the first round at Mississippi College.

OxyBob

How does a bracket revision like that happen?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on February 26, 2007, 11:54:07 AM
Was it the work of the Whittier scoreboard operator?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on February 26, 2007, 12:17:02 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 26, 2007, 11:56:59 AM
tigersports:

>>Was it the work of the Whittier scoreboard operator?<<

Hey, at least that kind of cheating is blatant.

OxyBob
I was trying to figure out the travel costs of the four teams.  Maybe they are trying to get Oxy out of town ASAP because of cheaper prices on Saturday.  Other teams may bus home if they lose in the early game.

I saw a couple of the ASC playoff games on the videocast over the weekend.  The officiating was bad.  It was inconsistent.  It affected all of the teams equally.  The announcers and coaches were both complaining. I hope it is better this weekend.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DIIIghetto on February 26, 2007, 12:43:12 PM
Okay.  I just emailed Oxy's President and Coaching staff.  I told them that they should decline the invitation to get spanked by the #1 team in the South, thank the Committee for at the last minute letting politics shift the bracket around (since Oxy played a conference opponent in the 1st round last year I didn't know that it was so important to keep teams away from each other), and tell them that as an institution you are going to look to lead the charge into the creation of D4.   Call the NYTimes, get some of great PR for your school, its academic mission. 

How much more screwed can you get if you are Oxy?  The #1 seed?!?  At home.   As much as I think Oxy could have won some games in this tournament, I think MC is one of those teams that you just don't have any chance against in their home gym.   

Hopefully Oxy's football coach is in those closed door meetings right now too saying that as a matter of principle it is time as an institution to stand up and say enough is enough. 

Stay home Tigers.  Finish the season with 5 wins in a row.  Nobody in the SCIAC will care.  We are better suited for D4 anyway. 

How does a team with as high of a power ranking as Oxy wind up playing a #1 seed except for politics.  On the back end of this happening in football for 2 years, it is time for someone to say enough is enough. 

On to D4!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on February 26, 2007, 12:58:23 PM
Pat, help us out here.  I know you're a busy guy, but how on earth does this happen?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DIIIghetto on February 26, 2007, 01:02:37 PM
Because Mary Hardin Baylor whined.  They got beat in the second game of the season by MC by almost 30 points.  They had NO chance against MC.  They must have an AD with some serious pull to be able to get the committee to change the bracket around that quickly.  Oxy's AD is probably having a latte somewhere, reading the paper, enjoying the LA morning sunshine, and couldn't care less. 

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on February 26, 2007, 01:13:48 PM
Wow, what a raw deal for Oxy. Something is going on behind the scenes for sure. The SCIAC gets no respect in football or basketball.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on February 26, 2007, 01:18:34 PM
A fairer regional would have Oxy playing UMHB and MC playing Maryville -- don't understand why they can't do that.  19 v. 23 in the first round is not a gross injustice, just as 19/23 v. 5 in the second round isn't either.    But to switch so that the two highest-ranked teams play each other is just ludicrous and really smells.  Why doesn't the NCAA go back to what it does best -- making sure a teammates parent doesn't buy a player a hamburger.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on February 26, 2007, 02:02:13 PM
Declining the invitation is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.

Seriously. The most ridiculous thing I've ever heard in the context of sports. How dare you suggest that. The Oxy team (now admittedly underdogs) and all the players that have worked so hard to get to this place all season should just give up and roll over JUST because they're playing a high seed out of some sort of obscure principle??? I guarantee the team doesn't feel that way... and if they do, we have a much bigger problem. Lets not produce a future generation of whiners that are so focused on the fact that they got jobbed that they can't believe the American dream that anything is possible and adversity is there simply to be overcome. PLEASE. Thanks.

Here's what actually needs to happen.

1) Oxy goes to Miss College and plays the game of their life. I don't think Miss College is unbeatable, and I'm sure the Oxy players don't think Miss College is unbeatable, so that works well. Win, and play the second round of the regionals while the hosts sit unhappily by and watch. Go on to bigger and better things. I'll show you guys around Salem. A big huge "up yours" NCAA. Oxy becomes the Cinderella story that people talk about for decades. Disney makes a movie about it, and I get a cut for suggesting it. Blah blah. We all live happily ever after.

2) Oxy schedules more regional games next year, and wins them, so they get to be ranked higher in the regional poll, and actually get to host a game.... maybe even a sectional. They start doing this every year. We get to watch playoff games. Yay. We all live happily ever after x 2.

Yes, I think the entire West Region got jobbed this year for many reasons. But we can't do anything about it so being annoyed doesn't help. And, all the players need to do is channel that and play well and the whining becomes moot.

Go Oxy, do us proud! ;)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 26, 2007, 02:15:00 PM
Quote from: DIIIghetto on February 26, 2007, 01:02:37 PM
Because Mary Hardin Baylor whined.  They got beat in the second game of the season by MC by almost 30 points.  They had NO chance against MC.  They must have an AD with some serious pull to be able to get the committee to change the bracket around that quickly.  Oxy's AD is probably having a latte somewhere, reading the paper, enjoying the LA morning sunshine, and couldn't care less. 



Because the NCAA's rules were broken when they made the erroneous pairing in the first place. UMHB may have whined -- I have no idea -- but it had the right to.

"Teams from the same conference do not have to play one another in the first round as long as geographic proximity is maintained."

You are aware of this one, I know, because of the geography problem.

They HAD to change the pairing.

Why they changed it and still f'ed it up, that I have no idea. If they had looked at their own regional rankings I am sure it would have said MC should play Mville and Oxy should play UMHB.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on February 26, 2007, 02:15:28 PM
Atti-CA, Atti-CA, Atti-CA
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 26, 2007, 02:18:57 PM
It strikes me that the team in the Clinton pod that has the biggest gripe is Miss. College.  I haven't seen Oxy this season, but I saw them last year, and I think I have a reasonably good idea of how good they are.  Mississippi College had an outstanding year, and probably could argue with justification that they deserved to play an easier opponent than Oxy in the first round--like, say, Maryville. 

If the thought of Oxy winning at Miss. College is so unthinkable, I don't see why it matters if the matchup is in the first or second round.  But I don't think it is unthinkable.  I watched the video stream of MC's game against Hardin-Simmons, and I agree with April that they are not unbeatable.  When the pick 'em contest comes out, I'm going to have a tough time deciding who to take in this game.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on February 26, 2007, 02:25:37 PM
There's no crying in Baseball.......oops I meant Basketball. Come on guys, like D.H. has already pointed out all we can do now is cheer for the underdog and hope that they pull off a great upset and great escape. THe powers that Be sure have an weird thinking system, but they are human and make mistakes. All we can hope for is that they realize that they made a bad mistake when Oxy ends up beating their opponent in the first round of the dance.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bbaddict on February 26, 2007, 02:32:55 PM
So -- what happened to the Oxy that's going to "show the nation" when they were going up against the NWC champ?  I'm sorry, but I got my karma dinged down to nothing (and at one point negative!) over Oxy fans ranting about how great their team is and how they're going to show everyone!!

Honestly, it seems you'd want to play the tough team when you're fresh & just get there.  It's basketball for heaven's sake -- any team on any given night can win!  That's why we call them upsets!  So, go make the West as proud as you've been while knocking the NWC --- also from the West!  I'm kind of old fashioned -- first, my team, then my conference, then my region.  So GO TIGERS!

And for the savant that suggested that Oxy play LC in football -- it already happened!

Guess you should be grateful you didn't pull the UW Stevens Point bracket!  I haven't heard Whitworth whining -- probably just too busy getting ready to play.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on February 26, 2007, 02:36:09 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 26, 2007, 02:22:17 PM
Thanks for the pep talk, Knute. (http://www.ndirishmusings.com/Videos/rockne.mp3)
No problemo. ;)

Quote from: bbaddict on February 26, 2007, 02:32:55 PM
Guess you should be grateful you didn't pull the UW Stevens Point bracket!  I haven't heard Whitworth whining -- probably just too busy getting ready to play.
Too true, that bracket is royally tough. Here's to all the players just focusing on getting ready to play!!! :)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 26, 2007, 02:40:09 PM
Maybe it was Maryville that hollered!  :) :D

Maryville lost to Miss College in the second round in 1999, lost to McMurry in the Sweet 16 in 2000, beat Miss Coll in the first round in 2003, lost to Miss College in the second round in 2005 and 2006.

At least Maryville gets a fresh opponent in UMHB.  I posted on another board that Maryville' Coach Lambert and UMHB's Coach DeWeese are worth the price of admission alone.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on February 26, 2007, 02:42:56 PM
Quote from: bbaddict on February 26, 2007, 02:32:55 PM
And for the savant that suggested that Oxy play LC in football -- it already happened!

I would be said savant.  I guess I needed to click onto the sarcasm face, though I thought most would grasp my meaning that a football game against L&C would be easier than a hoops contest.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on February 26, 2007, 02:44:24 PM
I think he meant that the L.C football team should play the Oxy basketball team in the 1st round of the big bball dance.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 26, 2007, 02:45:52 PM
SCIAC fans traveling to Clinton, the local entertainment is interesting for historians.  There is the Vicksburg Battlefield, the USS Cairo (an ironclad that has been restored in Vicksburg), and the beautiful and historic Natchez Trace.  (The Natchez Heritage Tour doesn't start until March 10th but you might investigate it).

Also there are the casinos in Vicksburg if you wish.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bbaddict on February 26, 2007, 02:58:34 PM
OxyBob -- Not everyone in the NW is a Sea Pigeon fan, so I resent being called a seagull!  Go Chargers!

And I can't believe you're so busy defending someone's inane comment that you don't recognize support when it's given!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bucs77 on February 26, 2007, 03:07:04 PM
DHF is correct.  After seeing some of the goodgreat teams that got left out of the tournament and talking to a few of the WhitW players they are excited to be in and really looking forward to playing on Friday night.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on February 26, 2007, 03:10:35 PM
I saw MC in person a couple of weeks ago at UT Dallas. 

They are the real deal, but as dhf has stated, they are not unbeatable.  They are balanced.  They move the ball very well with great passing.  And, they play excellent defense.  Oxy will have their hands full, but they can win.  If CW can offset his bad three point game against Whittier with a good game against MC, they definitely will have a chance.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TeeDub on February 26, 2007, 03:21:56 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on February 26, 2007, 03:10:35 PM
I saw MC in person a couple of weeks ago at UT Dallas. 

They are the real deal, but as dhf has stated, they are not unbeatable.  They are balanced.  They move the ball very well with great passing.  And, they play excellent defense.  Oxy will have their hands full, but they can win.  If CW can offset his bad three point game against Whittier with a good game against MC, they definitely will have a chance.

Anyone know the deal with Betty?  Is he able to play?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on February 26, 2007, 03:26:25 PM
From Oxy's website:

Tigers Play Choctaws in 1st Round

(February 23, 2007)

The Occidental men's basketball team will face the Mississippi College Choctaws in the first round of the NCAA Division III playoffs on the Choctaws' home court in Clinton, Miss. on Friday, March 2. Game time has not yet been announced.

The Choctaws, ranked No. 5 nationally by D3hoops.com, won their sixth American Southwest Conference Championship in 10 years with a 77-64 win over Hardin-Simmons University Feb. 24, capping a 25-2 season. Founded in 1826, Baptist-affiliated Mississippi has 3,800 students in undergraduate and graduate programs.

Oxy clinched the SCIAC championship and its third trip to the NCAA tourney in five years last Thursday with a thrilling, last-second double overtime victory at Whittier, 63-61. The No. 19-ranked Tigers finished conference play with a 12-2 record, 19-5 overall.

The winner of Friday's first round game will move on to play the winner of the contest between at-large selections Maryville College (Tenn.) and No. 25 Mary Hardin-Baylor, also scheduled to be played Friday.


The Tigers are going to have a little fun in Clinton . . . no dancing though, you know those Southern Baptists.

Who's making the road trip?

tooth
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on February 26, 2007, 03:35:47 PM
Quote from: bbaddict on February 26, 2007, 02:32:55 PM
I haven't heard Whitworth whining -- probably just too busy getting ready to play.

Oxy players and staff aren't whining . . . just posters . . .

I, for one, was looking forward to the basketball version of the 1st round of the football playoffs . . . Tigers v. Bucs once again, only this time in SoCal . . . oh well, **** happens.

Go Tigers, chomp the Choctaws . . . (I thought the NCAA banned native american mascots?)

tooth
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on February 26, 2007, 03:36:51 PM
Wow, can't write **** anymore?  Why am I feeling the need to post the script from a certain "Southpark" episode right now?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on February 26, 2007, 03:48:59 PM
I plead inanity
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on February 26, 2007, 04:05:53 PM
So OB . . . thanks for the education . . . I figured if any poster was heading to the old south it would be you . . . you headed out?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on February 26, 2007, 04:13:10 PM
tooth,
I am planning to drive over from Dallas.  It's always a problem to do these things on short notice, but I expect I can make it.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TeeDub on February 26, 2007, 04:14:34 PM
Any SCIAC players making the D3hoops All-America team?

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on February 26, 2007, 04:29:32 PM
Quote from: Jordis Rocks on February 26, 2007, 04:14:34 PM
Any SCIAC players making the D3hoops All-America team?
Good question. It won't be announced till the broadcasts from the Salem Civic Center on championship weekend.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 26, 2007, 04:53:47 PM
In this league, it's a struggle just to be nominated.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on February 26, 2007, 05:09:43 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 26, 2007, 03:58:33 PM
Sabretooth Tiger:

>>I thought the NCAA banned native american mascots?<<

The NCAA dropped its sanction against Mississippi College's use of the name Choctaws as its nickname because the Mississippi Band of Choctaw Indians passed a resolution supporting Mississippi College's use of the name. Apparently they don't mind being reduced to a cultural stereotype.

Interesting that a group such as the Choctaw would sanction a news page called "Smoke Signals"  http://www.mc.edu/athletics/smokesignals.htm
What, Chief Nocahoma declined an invitation?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on February 26, 2007, 05:39:20 PM
what on earth is "International."  Is that Naboo or Tattooine?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on February 26, 2007, 05:50:53 PM
Quote from: tigersports on February 26, 2007, 05:39:20 PM
what on earth is "International."  Is that Naboo or Tattooine?

"International" would be Bulgaria, Ceylon, Madagascar, etc.

Naboo and Tattooine would be "Intergalactic."

Query:  Would Mars be "Intrastellar?"  [edited per sound guidance from DHF, infra]
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on February 26, 2007, 05:54:31 PM
Quote from: Sabretooth Tiger on February 26, 2007, 05:50:53 PM
Quote from: tigersports on February 26, 2007, 05:39:20 PM
what on earth is "International."  Is that Naboo or Tattooine?

"International" would be Bulgaria, Ceylon, Madagascar, etc.

Naboo and Tattoine would be "Intergalactic."

Query:  Would Mars be "Interstellar?"
I believe Mars would be intrastellar, since Mars has the same star as us. :)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on February 26, 2007, 05:58:02 PM
Hmmm . . . or "Intragalactic?" ;)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on February 26, 2007, 06:02:21 PM
Quote from: Sabretooth Tiger on February 26, 2007, 05:58:02 PM
Hmmm . . . or "Intragalactic?" ;)
Well yes, but also intrastellar.  :P :D ;)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TeeDub on February 26, 2007, 06:17:38 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 26, 2007, 04:53:47 PM
In this league, it's a struggle just to be nominated.

Apparently, in this league, it's also difficult to get a decent draw in the tourney...
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on February 26, 2007, 06:24:29 PM
Quote from: Sabretooth Tiger on February 26, 2007, 05:50:53 PM
Quote from: tigersports on February 26, 2007, 05:39:20 PM
what on earth is "International."  Is that Naboo or Tattooine?

"International" would be Bulgaria, Ceylon, Madagascar, etc.

I just figured that since all races were covered, "International" had to be a completely different type of living thing.
"Ceylon?"  You forgot Siam, Formosa and Persia.   ;)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on February 26, 2007, 06:54:34 PM
Or my personal favorite . . . Abyssinia  8)

cheers
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on February 26, 2007, 07:46:47 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 26, 2007, 02:45:52 PM
SCIAC fans traveling to Clinton, the local entertainment is interesting for historians.  There is the Vicksburg Battlefield, the USS Cairo (an ironclad that has been restored in Vicksburg), and the beautiful and historic Natchez Trace.  (The Natchez Heritage Tour doesn't start until March 10th but you might investigate it).

Also there are the casinos in Vicksburg if you wish.
No wonder the Tigers are excited to go.  Will a history prof go to make this an educational experience?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on February 26, 2007, 07:57:00 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on February 26, 2007, 04:13:10 PM
tooth,
I am planning to drive over from Dallas.  It's always a problem to do these things on short notice, but I expect I can make it.

Gray,

Be sure to bring your laptop and wireless card so that you can provide realtime updates!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on February 26, 2007, 08:31:36 PM
Quote from: Sabretooth Tiger on February 26, 2007, 07:57:00 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on February 26, 2007, 04:13:10 PM
tooth,
I am planning to drive over from Dallas.  It's always a problem to do these things on short notice, but I expect I can make it.

Gray,

Be sure to bring your laptop and wireless card so that you can provide real time updates!
I'm hoping they do another videocast.  You can watch for free.  (hint to tigersports) ;)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 26, 2007, 08:36:19 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 26, 2007, 05:27:42 PM
tigersports:

I doubt if anyone's going to kick up a fuss. According to the Princeton Review, Mississippi College is 70% Caucasian, 24% African American, 2% International (whatever that is), 1% Asian, and 1% Hispanic.

Native American? Zero%.

OxyBob

Actually many native Southerners have native American blood in them.  This is especially the case in the Mississippi, Oklahoma and some families who have been in Alabama since the 1820's.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DIIIghetto on February 26, 2007, 08:46:24 PM
Absolutely hosed. 

Whitworth wasn't on here crying?  That is big of them.  Let's see, Mary Hardin only beat Trinity by 15, which beat Depauw in their last game.  And Mary Hardin got beat by MC by 30.  Whitworth got a fair seed.  Good for them.  I hope that they win both games in the first weekend.   But to equate them to Oxy isn't close - for that to be the case Whitworth would be playing UW SP in the first game. 

The right, fair, and proper fix would be for the Committee to come out tomorrow morning, announce that MC is playing Maryville and Oxy is playing MH.  They already came out and made one correction.  This one isn't a stretch.  It is the fair thing. 

By not doing it, the Committee is telling Oxy, yet again, this is an imperfect system, we do the best we can, yes we made a mistake, things are tough all over.  The thing is, why aren't they telling that to Maryville.  Why is it once again the SCIAC (OB, help me out here, how many times has this happened to Oxy in football)? 

Irrespective of whether or not Oxy wins or not, what happened to Oxy this morning was something that smacks of politics.  How did Maryville get to play a lower ranked team than Oxy and Oxy as a #3 seed have to play the #1 seed?   

I give the Committee its due.  They have a difficult job with so many good teams and yes, it almost has to be imperfect.  Luckily for them they are in DIII and won't be scrutinized outside of this community.  Can you imagine the headlines in the LA Times if the committee shipped UCLA to play Florida in the first round?  This thing won't even be mentioned anywhere in the LA Times, or probably even in Oxy's student paper for that matter.  Nobody in the SCIAC cares, maybe beyond writing a little letter in protest. 

I feel badly for our conference and for our kids, who are trying to raise our national profile.  We are trying to get rid of the one and dones of the past.  Oxy took the right steps.  They played St. Thomas tough - on somewhere other than their home floor.  They spanked, and I mean spanked Wisconsin Lutheran (which was a good team and split with Aurora).  Then they beat down Williams, which wound up punching a ticket to the Tourney too. 

I'm not sure what else Oxy can do.   It is unfortunate that someone at Oxy or in the SCIAC doesn't have the pull or doesn't care as much as someone from Maryville or Mary Hardin does.   Someone look up how much the AD's at those two institutions make because I am need to know how overpaid the SCIAC ADs are. 

Since Whitworth got such a tough draw too, how about they send in a letter to the committee and offer to swap with the Tigers? 

Again, the RIGHT thing to do is to correct this and let Oxy play MH in the first round.   

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldnwcer on February 26, 2007, 09:26:35 PM
Just to give all you Oxy fans some hope, four or five years ago, Lewis and Clark drew Mississippi College at Clinton in the second round, I think, and MC was undefeated at home, ranked top 5.  The Pioneers went in and beat MC to advance to the Elite Eight (or maybe they had to beat one of the Wisconsins next to get to the round of 8).  So don't fold your tents quite yet, unless, of course, you feel that the SCIAC isn't quite as strong as the best of the NWC.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 26, 2007, 09:43:01 PM
That 2002 MissColl team was given a bye (IMHO, a geographic bye in the away/home/bye 48-team era) and then lost ugly to L&C.  I thought that that MC team ranks #6 among the ASC Pool A teams in the last 7 years.

How does getting exposure in another part of the country not help the SCIAC cause?  Apparently the traditional SCIAC-NWC first round scheduling has not boosted the SCAIC image.  I would accept this as another chance.

I think that we in the ASC do not match well with the Great Lakes teams that Miss Coll usually catches.  We have the chance to go to the Mid-Atlantic.  If Oxy moves to the East Coast, how does Oxy compare to Johns Hopkins which played at the Westmont tourney?

Good luck and travel safely.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D O.C. on February 26, 2007, 11:29:39 PM
Wasn't the logical question in football playoffs the last couple of years 'why do the west coast teams got sent to knock each other out?' Then this could/should be a good thing that Whitworth and Occidental get to play someone else (first).

So much for seeing a DIII game this week. Anyone for Fairfax or Mater Dei high school games?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on February 27, 2007, 12:42:52 AM
It's interesting that Maryville and UMHB's coaches are both well-connected as conference rep and former South chair.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 27, 2007, 05:12:00 AM
Quote from: tigersports on February 26, 2007, 01:18:34 PM
A fairer regional would have Oxy playing UMHB and MC playing Maryville -- don't understand why they can't do that.  19 v. 23 in the first round is not a gross injustice, just as 19/23 v. 5 in the second round isn't either.    But to switch so that the two highest-ranked teams play each other is just ludicrous and really smells.  Why doesn't the NCAA go back to what it does best -- making sure a teammates parent doesn't buy a player a hamburger.

LOL!

I agree that Oxy got jobbed by the last-minute switch. It's just one more instance of the people who run this tournament looking really, really unprofessional over the past couple of weeks -- starting with their decision that a ghost ferry across Lake Michigan makes Hope and Carthage less than 200 miles apart, and then followed by their revelation last week that, oops! Pool B gets one extra team than we said they'd get back when the season started, and Pool C gets one less.

The D3 poobahs have enough egg on their faces right now to make a Denny's-sized Denver omelet.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pineconefan on February 27, 2007, 02:13:44 PM
It's been interesting catching up on the reading since the posting of the bracket.  And to be honest - as a Whitworth Pirate fan - there is no way I'd trade where we are with where Oxy is headed.  I also don't think Oxy got a fair shake with the switch.

But having said all of that - I like the fact that there is a potential (long shot though it may be) to have two west coast teams in Salem!  So this gives me a great reason to root for the Tigers to go as far as possible (or at least the semifinals  ;))

Go get 'em Oxy!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on February 27, 2007, 02:23:31 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 27, 2007, 12:01:00 PM
So far all we'd read is a pep talk and a casting call for a remake of Hoosiers
Oh, I think you got jobbed too... but that doesn't change anything, and focusing on it isn't healthy for anyone... especially any players who may be reading this.

If you think that my post was simply a pep talk, you weren't paying attention. :P
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Highlander on February 27, 2007, 02:27:12 PM
Please do not try to drag Maryville into your gripes of where Oxy is headed and who they have to play. Maryville has had to play in this section or against MC for several years. Why not just look foward to being able to show everyone in the south just how superior your Cali. B-ball team is as compared to all of those in the south. If you will take a look over on the GSAC board you will find that most if not all of the Maryville fans are looking foward to getting a chance to maybe play MC if they can get by UMHB. Safe travels to those of you who make the trip.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on February 27, 2007, 02:37:40 PM
Quote from: Highlander on February 27, 2007, 02:27:12 PM
Why not just look foward to being able to show everyone in the south just how superior your Califoria B-ball team is as compared to all of those in the south.
I tried to get them to put a positive spin on it, but apparently it's not working. I would hope and assume that the coaches and team are not responding the same way as their posters.

Is there a pessemistic species of bird that likes to whine? Cause the NW teams may be seagulls or whatever, but apparently here in SoCal, we are all pessemistic whiner birds.  ::)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on February 27, 2007, 03:18:14 PM
Save for daGhetto, I don't perceive that much whining . . . not enough to offer cheese and crackers at any rate.

I'm guessing the biggest disappointment (speaking personally) is the let down from being fairly confident we'd get to host at least one game (granted, not based on any good reason) to being transported to Mississippi which pretty much means that almost no fans will be traveling to see the game. 

I had personally hoped and planned on going to Rush gym for a round, or to consider a quick trip to the Northwest . . .

Mississippi?  Can't be done, just too costly.

So I'm thinking that this is the basis for most of the disappointment. 

Oh yes, and being seeded against no. 1 in round one again . . . sorta like when we had to play Linfield in round 1 of the '05 football playoffs . . . but that falls under the heading of "****" happens.

The good news is, as noted by a NW poster, we have the opportunity to have to left coast teams advance deeper into the playoffs . . . the good lord willin' and the creek don't rise.

tooth
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on February 27, 2007, 03:55:12 PM
It looks like Amir Mazarei (Redlands), Sam Betty (Oxy) and Brian Williams (Whitworth) are in the hunt for an invitation to the 2007 College Basketball Invitational for top seniors from NCAA Div. II, III and the NAIA to be held in April.

Here's the web link for more information:

http://www.mccarthysports.com/player_list.html

Congrats and good luck to these fine DIII left coasters.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bbaddict on February 27, 2007, 03:59:44 PM
Wow Sabretooth -- you're certainly invited to my next pity party.  I like how you overlook the obvious (whining).  They were posting about not even going to the 1st Round for heaven's sake & I think the phrase "Absolutely Hosed" qualifies a bit as whining.

With Diehardfan as their cheerleader they seem to have settled down.  I just never did understand how the same posters that were bragging about Oxy's strength & prowess when it concerned NWC teams were all of sudden afraid to show up for their 1st round game.  I think they can win it, because they told me how they were gonna kick the NWC's ***.   I'm pretty sure the coaches & players don't have time to be on here, so it's probably safe to assume it was just the posters who predict doom & gloom.

I'm with pineconefan -- I'll cheer for Oxy until they meet up with Whitworth!  So -- Go Tigers --- Go Bucs!!

It's great that one's not going to eliminate the other in the 1st or 2nd round.  
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on February 27, 2007, 04:17:21 PM
Quote from: Chris Brooks on February 27, 2007, 12:38:36 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 27, 2007, 12:27:55 PM
Chris, will you be able to work out the licensing details to videostream the tourney?

I know that the NCAA is the sponsor, but that video was great!

I wish that all ASC schools would sign on as conference, charge us a nominal access fee for all games thru the conference and let us subscribe for the year.

I would much rather watch Miss Coll than Duke.

I just prefer D3!

I'm working on it but not sure yet.
Quote from: Chris Brooks on February 27, 2007, 12:38:36 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 27, 2007, 12:27:55 PM
Chris, will you be able to work out the licensing details to videostream the tourney?

I know that the NCAA is the sponsor, but that video was great!

I wish that all ASC schools would sign on as conference, charge us a nominal access fee for all games thru the conference and let us subscribe for the year.

I would much rather watch Miss Coll than Duke.

I just prefer D3!

I'm working on it but not sure yet.
From the ASC board. I hope he can pull this off.  Otherwise, I think they will do an audio version.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on February 27, 2007, 04:28:03 PM
The video stream that Miss College did last week for their conference tourney was mad crazy awesome. very high quality, the highest I've seen in DIII, and that's saying a lot cause I've watched a whole bunch of streams. If they get that up for the tourney, of all the places for Oxy to go far away, Miss College will be THE best one from a fan standpoint!

Miss College also has a pretty sweet gym as a former DII school... capacity is 3800. I think Oxy will have fun playing there. Whether it's as big as the gym in the Hoosier movie is yet to be determined. Just in case, maybe Coach Newhall should bring a tape measure. :P

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mc.edu%2Fathletics%2FFacilities%2FImages%2FVolleyball.jpg&hash=db22a849e4d427495050a67e8ffa475d5d6466bd)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on February 27, 2007, 04:35:31 PM
I could not access the stream on Sunday.  I got it, and then it fell off.  I think there were too many people connected.  So keep your fingers crossed.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on February 27, 2007, 04:57:59 PM
From the GSAC board.  An analysis of the MC team and style.

Quote from: mattgrubb on February 27, 2007, 09:49:49 AM
My heart will be there as well
to all you GSACers and Maryville fans (since we all support our conference when it comes to the tourney)

I like this MC team in the tourney, I don't think they are the strongest team Randy has ever had, but here is what i like about them

1.  They have a perimeter stopper, The Q, he covers the other teams best player like a cheap polyester leisure suit, tight in all the wrong places.  He is capable of smothering good players.

2. They have that two headed monster down low.  That is 40 minutes of intensity, there is no break when bobby goes out of the game.

3. They have 2 power forwards that are interchangeable.

I think between the strengths of their inside game and the perimeter defense they are capable of they could be a tougher matchup in the tourney than traditional MC teams that have one stud down low and one stud on the perimeter.  This team hits from different angles and that could lead to good things.

Go Scots
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on February 27, 2007, 05:22:20 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 27, 2007, 04:11:45 PM
Sabretooth Tiger:

As noted in Multi-Regional Topics, the 2007 Collegiate Basketball Invitational is a very prestigious (http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=5109.msg680219#msg680219) event.

OxyBob

Still better than a poke in the eye with a sharp stick in my book.  Certainly more recognition for their athletic achievements than I ever garnered . . . but that's probably because they're better athletes than I ever was . . . in our respective sports.

So WTF, it ain't the New York Athletic Club or even the LA Athletic Club . . . I still give 'em kudos.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on February 27, 2007, 09:46:46 PM
It's time to shut up and play. 

I think Oxy can (emphasize "can") play with MC.  They played St. Thomas tough on a home-neutral floor without Zebb, thoroughly handled another tourney team (Williams, which won a good conference)  and kicked the crap out of WiscLu, which was one of two teams to beat Aurora.  If Betty is healthy, Oxy should not be overmatched.  That doesn't mean they'll win or that they're better, but that they can play with these guys.  Looking at the scores (MC beat a decent Westmont team, but by 4 on the road), with home court, I'd install MC as about a 7-8 point favorite on the opening line.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on February 28, 2007, 10:30:45 AM
And,Of course you can't forget that the Men in Orange and Black have played with the big boys of D1/D-2 early in the season and absolutely were not backing down. (ie. Utah state, C.S. Stanislaus, Cal Poly-San Luis Obispo)
This is exactly why i never whinned about Oxy facing M.C. Both teams are battle tested, but in the end, i am confident that the tigers will come out with an Upset and victory that will be heard all the way back to California.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DIIIghetto on February 28, 2007, 12:37:28 PM
Oxy won't back down to anybody.  They'll give MC more than any other 1st round opponent should. 

Some of you apologists may call it whining, I call it truth speaking.  I'm not splitting hairs here.  Oxy was treated unfairly.  Many non-SCIAC fans have emailed me and expressed their understanding that putting Oxy against MC in the first round was a mistake that they can't understand. 

Politics.  Pure and simple.  Maybe this wasn't an anti-SCIAC or anti-Oxy conspiracy as much as it was taking care of some coaches and administrators with some pull.  From MC's perspective, maybe it was someone trying to mess with them.  Any way you look at it, it was a mistake. 

NWC fans should go back to your thread and be grateful you aren't playing UW SP in the first round, or Oxy for that matter.  We'll be cheering for you too - it is unfortunate that we aren't playing you this year because we have made strides to narrow the gap between our conferences and view you as the barometer of our progress.  It would have been fun to see if we are there now.  But please don't come in here and tell us that we shouldn't be complaining about being given a seed against the #1 seed in the South.  DePauw ain't MC. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bbaddict on February 28, 2007, 11:02:03 PM
Quote from: DIIIghetto on February 28, 2007, 12:37:28 PM
Oxy won't back down to anybody.  They'll give MC more than any other 1st round opponent should. 

it is unfortunate that we aren't playing you (Whitworth)  this year because we have made strides to narrow the gap between our conferences and view you as the barometer of our progress.  It would have been fun to see if we are there now.  But please don't come in here and tell us that we shouldn't be complaining about being given a seed against the #1 seed in the South.  DePauw ain't MC. 

Believe in your team DIII and your first statement!  When Oxy makes it past MC & Va. Wesleyan & Whitworth makes it past the 5 (as ranked by D3hoops) teams in its bracket, they can play on March 16 in the semifinals.  So, let's root for that, OK?  No more accusations or namecalling or anything.  I call a truce.   Great playing to the two teams from the West!!  (So, they can go beat on each other for awhile!)  Truly, the left side of the playoff bracket got hosed entirely if you believe the rankings on D3 hoops.  Me, I just always believe the team I'm rooting for will win -- until they prove otherwise!!

Looking forward to some great basketball!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bbaddict on March 01, 2007, 12:36:27 AM
Just so no one has to read my mind, I meant to say when Whitworth makes it past the 5 of the top 10 ranked teams (by D3hoops) in its bracket . . .

Hope that makes more sense.  If it doesn't, drink more beer!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DIIIghetto on March 01, 2007, 12:20:37 PM
Now that the godfather has spoken on it, I'll leave it alone.  Game time. 

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on March 01, 2007, 01:44:31 PM
Sigh....

The UMHB coach probably simply (correctly) pointed out, that his team is not supposed to play a conf opponent in the first round unless travel cost is an issue. If you have the ability to advocate for your team, why not do it? It's not really his fault, they did what they were supposed to do, albeit late in that context. The problem was that they switched it (in terms of seeding) when they did correct it.

And of course, the one sitting on that seeding call would have been the chair on the South region anyway, as the national committee is basically made up of the chairs from each region. Consider yourself screwed by the rep from waaay out in NC if you really want.

Who you really have a beef with is the IIAC guy who represents the West region on that national committee. They would have been in on that decision... and the current SCIAC rep, Mr. Dow of CalTech, for not noticing the problem, and advocating adequately.

With all that said, I really think that it would be much healthier to get over it now that it's Thursday and the game is just around the corner. But if you want to be angry, go for it. I obviously can't stop you. ::) Just don't misplace that anger. :P
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on March 01, 2007, 02:27:26 PM
Ralph:  And your point is???  It seems sensible that Maryville would rather not play Mississippi College in the first round.  Neither does either of the other teams want to do that (esp. Oxy if you can believe the posters). 

If I understand this right, and I am sure you (or Pat) will let me know if I am wrong, these contested decisions were made by a group of people including the AD at Methodist, who as far as I know is not Randy Lambert's agent.  As I said elsewhere, if Lambert is as "curiously" powerful as is being implied, the Scots would have not gone to Mississippi in the first place. 

I hope Oxy wins and then overlooks Maryville....
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 01, 2007, 03:06:37 PM
I thought that avoiding a conference foe was fair.

How about avoiding a first round matchup of teams that have played three times in the previous four tourneys?

Will Maryville "bus" or "fly"?  The new software runs 504 miles as shortest distance when it doesn't consider the Cleaveland TN shortcut.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 01, 2007, 03:40:42 PM
OxyBob, I went back to the QOWI page from Saturday (http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=4232.1104).

MissCollege and Oxy were #10 and #16.

You have made your point! :)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: golden_dome on March 01, 2007, 03:45:06 PM
Live video will be available Friday for Mississippi College's game against Occidental Friday. I have something up on our site now about it at www.gochoctaws.com but links will not be up until tomorrow. It is a large feed so a strong DSL connection is required. I would say a minimum connection of 4-5 Mbps should work. The stream is about 550 Kbps and a 4 meg connection should handle it, maybe even 3 megs.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on March 01, 2007, 04:25:53 PM
http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=5147.0

Would anyone like to do an Oxy preview for the national pool of previews we are making? I've seen them four/five times this season, but am probably not the best person to do it. Oxy Bob? tigersports? Sabertooth?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Roy Dow on March 01, 2007, 08:47:41 PM
I recognize dhf is a wonderful fan of DIII basketball and posts with great enthusiasm for DIII, but be careful in introducing me into this scenario so callously without knowledge of what happened.  The regional committee has a certain "charge" in our process as does the national committee for setting up the tournament.  The process is/was followed at each level, a welcome process from the days of the "old boys" network selecting the teams to participate, and a mistake was made and unfortunately had to be corrected publicly.

As of 6 a.m. on the Pacific coast this past Monday, I was greeted at home with the original seeding. Upon arrival later that morning at the office (and not much later) the seedings had changed.  You suggest that I should have noticed the  Miss Col/MHB problem and apparently did not "advocate adequately" after the re-setting of the pairings. 

You don't know what happened to change the seedings and you don't know what ensued  (phone calls, emails, etc.) to question my representation of my conference.  Suffice to say, a change was made after recognition of an error and another change was not going to be made.  As you know, policy is for conference foes to avoid each other in the opening round games and just a year removed from CMS and OXY being paired in the first round, citing that policy seemed unjust but was the correct decision by the national committee; a decision that does not seek the input or approval of the regional reps.  Last year's situation and this year's situation are 2 distinct unrelated decisions based on not-so-easy to satisfy parameters in setting the national tournament.

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on March 01, 2007, 09:39:05 PM
Thank you Coach Dow for shining some light on the process.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on March 01, 2007, 09:54:20 PM
Coach Dow,

I am more than a little bit embarassed at the fact that you felt the need to post to correct me. :-[ I have enormous respect for your program at Cal Tech as the Flagship of everything that DIII is, could be, and should be. There are many coaches around the league that could learn a lot from you. Thank you for correcting me kindly (although I didn't deserve it) and for giving us a look into the process as well.

As a neutral fan that was looking at the situation with an unbaised eye, I was getting extremely sick of the Oxy people whining. Despite my attempts to get them to see things in a positive light it kept coming back to the negativity. I posted a knee jerk response to defend the South Region Reps as it was quite clear that the South Reps were being accused unfairly and had done nothing wrong. In doing so, I was in turn completely unfair to you, and very much on the level that I was trying to get people to transcend. :-\ I didn't realize how thoughtless, abrupt and offensively my post came off toward those on the West region committee until I reread it just now. I should have been more careful with my words, or just stuffed my frustration with the whining.

I hope you will accept my apology. :(

Respectfully,
April
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: golden_dome on March 01, 2007, 11:41:27 PM
Here is link to the Mississippi College Regional website where you can find MC/Occidental video and live stats for the games.
http://www.gochoctaws.com/index.asp (http://www.gochoctaws.com/index.asp)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DIIIghetto on March 02, 2007, 01:14:25 AM
DHF, I am sure you are forgiven.  This wasn't the fault of any one person.   Multiple layers of failure had to take place for this royal drubbing to occur - one that many non-SCIAC folks have called attention to. 

Stop apologizing for the mistakes of others.   Our kids and our conference deserve to have someone care more than a few angry calls or maybe a letter with a bunch of signatures.   Someone cared enough about their team to avoid placing them against the strongest team in the South in the 1st round.  Why should we accept less?   Thanks to this medium, this community, we get our chance to let them know about their mistake.  There are some folks who were involved with this who gave us a good 'ol southern screwing.  As a SCIAC fan nobody should be apologizing for them.  We should continue to call attention to it for as long as we can (granted, that probably will be about the time the ref tosses up the ball tomorrow night).   

Of course I hope that OB is right and this crooked play by some partisan folks creates enough bad ju-ju that the basketball gods seal up that rim on those kids with the unnamed benefactors.  We'll see.  One-and-dones are something that we in the SCIAC should all have grown sick of and every single post-season game for us is critical for us to continue to raise our national profile.   Sure, playing a number 1 seed is a great opportunity for us in that quest, it just would have been nice to have not had to worry about that tall task until at least the second game. 

We all know that our boys will be out there tomorrow night not worrying about this and giving MC more than they ever wanted from a 1st round opponent. 
 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on March 02, 2007, 03:32:27 AM
Will there be an audio only feed?  I'd like to know so I can put it on my website for my loyal droves of listeners who are going wonder why "Golden Throat" isn't there. ;)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: golden_dome on March 02, 2007, 07:43:24 AM
Quote from: tigersports on March 02, 2007, 03:32:27 AM
Will there be an audio only feed?  I'd like to know so I can put it on my website for my loyal droves of listeners who are going wonder why "Golden Throat" isn't there. ;)

Yes, there is an audio only feed for people with dialup connections.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on March 02, 2007, 12:35:14 PM
Good luck to Oxy tomorrow, bring home the upset win. Regardless of the major screw up in seeding, Oxy has a huge chance to win some major national ink for the SCIAC. My game plan would be Betty, Betty, and then some more Betty. He needs to be Kobe like with the rock. Even though it hurts to say, Go Tigers!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on March 02, 2007, 02:40:30 PM
Quote from: RFB on March 02, 2007, 12:35:14 PM
Good luck to Oxy tomorrow, bring home the upset win. Regardless of the major screw up in seeding, Oxy has a huge chance to win some major national ink for the SCIAC. My game plan would be Betty, Betty, and then some more Betty. He needs to be Kobe like with the rock. Even though it hurts to say, Go Tigers!

RFB:

Thanks for the good thoughts . . . the game is TODAY at 6:00 p.m. PST (per the D3 website . . . ignore Oxy's site that says the game was to be played last night . . . sadly, no results with that post).

GO TIGERS, IO TRIUMPHE

tooth
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on March 02, 2007, 03:17:26 PM
It's a Great day to be a tiger........

With the Men in orange and black set to take the floor in several hours, i hope that MC is ready to face a group of young men who will be determined to pull off a good win and be ready to represent the SCIAC.
The Betty game plan sounds nice, yet, whats even more better is the Newhall, betty, whitman, zebb, mills, kostic, pitcher and Oxy Co. game plan. I assure you that these men will play as a team and rely on sound defense. Good luck to both schools, but in the end, the tigers come out with a victory   
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on March 02, 2007, 03:33:23 PM
Quote from: Browneagle64 on March 02, 2007, 03:17:26 PM
It's a Great day to be a tiger........

With the Men in orange and black set to take the floor in several hours, i hope that MC is ready to face a group of young men who will be determined to pull off a good win and be ready to represent the SCIAC.
The Betty game plan sounds nice, yet, whats even more better is the Newhall, betty, whitman, zebb, mills, kostic, pitcher and Oxy Co. game plan. I assure you that these men will play as a team and rely on sound defense. Good luck to both schools, but in the end, the tigers come out with a victory   

Can I get an AMEN!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on March 02, 2007, 04:01:29 PM
Just wanted to add my positive thoughts for the Tigers tonight - regardless of how the pairing came down it's a great opportunity for them and the SCIAC.

Thanks also to the folks at Mississippi College for giving us a chance to look/listen in to what I hope will be big win for Oxy.


Dare I say...

Eat 'em up, Tigers!   :D ;D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AndOne on March 02, 2007, 05:10:19 PM
Hello all from the frozen tundra otherwise known as the Midwest, specifically suburban Chicago where its currently 30 degrees with light snow and a wind chill of 15.

The team I root for is a member of the College Conference of Illinois & Wisconsin. We like to think we are the best basketball conference in the country with the possible exception of the WIAC which is comprised of the various State schools in Wisconsin who all have enrollments of 5000+.

Last year, we were fortunate enough to make the national tourney. We finished 20-5 (2nd in conference) and then won our inaugural conference tourney to go into the national at 22-5. Our reward for this was to be sent to St. Thomas, MN which is about a seven hour bus ride from our campus. A little tough to get many fans that far away from home especially on a weeknight. We felt very strongly we had really been screwed by the DIII Committee. We felt we deserved a better assignment as there were several closer choices they could have made.

However, I believe the DIII Committee has outdone themselves this year by sending an LA area team all the way down to Mississippi. And we thought we got screwed!  ::)

I know Mississippi College has done very well recently. I am not familiar with their overall level of competition. I doubt it is anything like we face almost every night in conference play. However, thats not the real question here. Solely as an outside observer and DIII fan, I think Oxy has real justification to be more than just a little upset over their placement. However good MC is it sure seems, on the surface at least, that they have been handed a HUGE advantage by the committee. I am not saying this to disparage Oxy's ability or record or anything on the order. It just seems like the selection Committee could do a better job in how they assign games in what is supposed to be the crown jewel event of the season.

Taking nothing away from what I'm sure is a great team, but if MC does not win tonight, they have nobody to blame but themselves. They not only get to play at home, but against a team forced to make a long trip, probably without benefit of many fans at all to root them on.   :(

The Committe certainly has hard choices. However, they should be able to make more equitable assignments.



 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: NWCer on March 02, 2007, 09:32:54 PM
Whitworth wins in OT on Bryan Williams 3 point Buzzer Beater!!

NWC is moving on.

Let's go Oxy!!  Let's go SCIAC!!  Let's get the "dub" and represent the left coast!!

Big ups to Cal Tech's Coach for coming on and posting, how many head coaches have done that?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 02, 2007, 09:43:07 PM
Quote from: AndOne on March 02, 2007, 05:10:19 PM
Hello all from the frozen tundra otherwise known as the Midwest, specifically suburban Chicago where its currently 30 degrees with light snow and a wind chill of 15.

The team I root for is a member of the College Conference of Illinois & Wisconsin. We like to think we are the best basketball conference in the country with the possible exception of the WIAC which is comprised of the various State schools in Wisconsin who all have enrollments of 5000+.

Last year, we were fortunate enough to make the national tourney. We finished 20-5 (2nd in conference) and then won our inaugural conference tourney to go into the national at 22-5. Our reward for this was to be sent to St. Thomas, MN which is about a seven hour bus ride from our campus. A little tough to get many fans that far away from home especially on a weeknight. We felt very strongly we had really been screwed by the DIII Committee. We felt we deserved a better assignment as there were several closer choices they could have made.

However, I believe the DIII Committee has outdone themselves this year by sending an LA area team all the way down to Mississippi. And we thought we got screwed!  ::)

I know Mississippi College has done very well recently. I am not familiar with their overall level of competition. I doubt it is anything like we face almost every night in conference play. However, thats not the real question here. Solely as an outside observer and DIII fan, I think Oxy has real justification to be more than just a little upset over their placement. However good MC is it sure seems, on the surface at least, that they have been handed a HUGE advantage by the committee. I am not saying this to disparage Oxy's ability or record or anything on the order. It just seems like the selection Committee could do a better job in how they assign games in what is supposed to be the crown jewel event of the season.

Taking nothing away from what I'm sure is a great team, but if MC does not win tonight, they have nobody to blame but themselves. They not only get to play at home, but against a team forced to make a long trip, probably without benefit of many fans at all to root them on.   :(

The Committe certainly has hard choices. However, they should be able to make more equitable assignments.

And one, you make the comment about Oxy getting screwed on being sent across the country.

I am curious as to what your bracket would look like with the only 2 bids west of Interstate Highway 35 given out being Oxy and Whitworth. ;)

I mention that in that Miss College probably flies north even tho' they are the number 1 seed.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: NWCer on March 02, 2007, 09:51:36 PM
The news on Betty Sucks  :(

You hate to see a team not at full strength, missing the POY of all people, especially this time of year.

33-16 MC, 3:38 left in 1st half.  Hang in there, hopefully something big can turn it around.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: NCChoctaw on March 02, 2007, 10:05:10 PM
I don't think you could floor six at a time and beat MC right now.  They are rolling.  That said, it does suck not having a full strength opponent.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TeeDub on March 02, 2007, 10:15:45 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on March 02, 2007, 10:14:02 PM
Mississippi College 42, Oxy 18, Halftime

OK, time to go all Redlands on them!

OxyBob

I just love that there is a Redlands reference during tournament time...
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on March 02, 2007, 10:22:44 PM
Just a bummer that Sam's out.  MC is quick as snot and the Tigers just can't seem to get them to drop.

It ain't over, but I'm not counting on a comeback . . . no joy in mudville

eat'em up tigers!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: NCChoctaw on March 02, 2007, 10:24:28 PM
ok, now I have to know what the Redlands reference is...
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TeeDub on March 02, 2007, 10:24:45 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on March 02, 2007, 10:14:02 PM
Mississippi College 42, Oxy 18, Halftime

OK, time to go all Redlands on them!

OxyBob

By the way Bob, what was the opening half strategy...to go all Caltech on them?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on March 02, 2007, 10:25:04 PM
Redlands is another SCIAC school.

46-26 MC
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TeeDub on March 02, 2007, 10:25:19 PM
Quote from: NCChoctaw on March 02, 2007, 10:24:28 PM
ok, now I have to know what the Redlands reference is...

Grinnell West
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on March 02, 2007, 10:29:12 PM
AKA TFS
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on March 02, 2007, 10:33:21 PM
52-29 MC

The announcers are pretty damn good.

Oxy cold as ice, shooting 27% per the crew
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TeeDub on March 02, 2007, 10:34:41 PM
I figured if anyone could appreciate that joke it would be you...

It's interesting that you reference Redlands in your post...almost ironic since it was the Redlands game that Betty got hurt...
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on March 02, 2007, 10:45:35 PM
UMHB fell to Maryville right?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TeeDub on March 02, 2007, 10:48:37 PM
Quote from: Jordis Rocks on March 02, 2007, 10:34:41 PM
I figured if anyone could appreciate that joke it would be you...

It's interesting that you reference Redlands in your post...almost ironic since it was the Redlands game that Betty got hurt...

It appears as that game took both of us out of the tournament...
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: NCChoctaw on March 02, 2007, 10:57:59 PM
Now, now...do you really think that game took you out of the tournament?  Doesn't credit Mississippi College with much, does it?  I'm sympathetic to your injury, but it is a team sport.  Good luck next year, and safe travels back.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Howlinwolf on March 03, 2007, 12:06:58 PM
Caught the game on the high-quality interner feed.

Let me first commend the MC broadcasting team for their professionalism, considerateness, and good humor. They defined Southern hospitality. Great job.

Oxy is a very different team without Betty, and it showed. Tough to run an outside game with no real inside threat, hence the lack of production from Whitman. The Oxy bench got some playing time, with Bremond making the best of his opportunity.

Hats off to MC - they're talented and disciplined. Although it would have been a much more competitive and intriguing game with Betty, MC has the horses to go far in the playoffs. Good luck the rest of the way to the Choctaws.

Ditto OB -  to the Oxy seniors, thanks for the memories.   
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: snoop dawg on March 03, 2007, 03:56:02 PM
I had to come out of the lurking shadows to give congrats to Oxy on a great season.  It is a shame about Betty, I feel very sorry for him to have to go out like that.  The Oxy seniors deserve a round of applause for their effort and dedication.
Title: Johnny Cash goes to Mississippi College
Post by: Gray Fox on March 04, 2007, 12:11:47 AM
Clinton, Mississippi is only five miles west of Jackson.  On my drive there I was wishing I had a CD of Johnny Cash so I could play his song "Jackson."   I had to sing it to the best of my knowledge.  Now that I'm home  I've pulled up all of the lyrics.  Many are quite appropriate to the situation.

"We got married in a fever, hotter than a pepper sprout,
We've been talkin' 'bout Jackson, ever since the fire went out."

The brackets were set up in a fever.  Then when the NCAA found out what had been done, a shotgun wedding was the answer they came up with.  So Oxy played one of the best teams around rather than one of the other two.  I guess the rationale was that Maryville had played MC in the playoffs for the last two years, so they wanted fresh blood.  It certainly has given us something to talk about.

"I'm goin' to Jackson, I'm gonna mess around,
Yeah, I'm goin' to Jackson,
Look out Jackson town."

My trip to Clinton was uneventful.  The only memorable thing was in Louisiana when I misread which exit I needed in order to get some gas.  There was no gas station, and I couldn't find a good turning place for a mile or two.  I eventually turned around at the place that had a Confederate flag flying from the flagpole and another in the window. :o   

"When I breeze into that city, people gonna stoop and bow. (Hah!)"
Well,  not exactly.  I to give several people a geography lesson that Oxy is in LA near the Rose Bowl.  Two or three asked me what "Occidental" meant.  Is there an equivalent word for "south"?  There was one guy who had done his research on d3hoops, and knew who was in the SCIAC, etc.  He had been in LA when he was in the Navy.

The program put out by the NCAA has all fifty-nine schools listed alphabetically. (another reason MC and Oxy played - they were next to each other on the same page, as were  UMHB and Maryville).  The program only gives the won/loss record along with a roster of players and coaches.  No mention is made of the city, school size,  conference  name,  etc.  There was enough room for it.

During the game I sat behind the Oxy bench with the Oxy parents and family.  Just before the game, Jake Halveston came over to speak to us in order hear some California accents.  Jake is a former Redlands football player whose last season was 2003.  He is currently a graduate assistant for the MC football team, coaching the defensive line.  He expressed his displeasure with the fact that Redlands football hasn't been winning the SCIAC.  He was not a fan of the "TFS", so was happy when I told him that things may change next year.  He has only been at MC for a couple of years, but the y'alls were rolling off his tongue like a native. ;)

"They'll lead you 'round town like a scalded hound,"
Having seen MC,  I knew they were good and was not surprised at the result.  I did not realize just how quick they were with their hands on defense, or how fast they were.  I saw several Oxy shots that I know would be made against a normal team, get changed to some awkward move at the last second because of this.

TFS influence - In the second half Coach Newhall  used some mass substitutions.  These probably had been perfected during league play against Redlands.  They did help some, but the damage had been done.

Oxy was better than either of the two teams that played in the first game. I watched the video of the MC/Maryville game tonight and the announcers said just that.  I would have liked to see them play at full strength.  Regardless, I think their d3hoops rankings are probably accurate based on what I saw.

"'Goodbye,' that's all she wrote." :(



Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D O.C. on March 04, 2007, 11:43:11 PM
That was a wonderful post Gray Fox.
Now suggest you listen again to the Lee Hazlewood/Nancy Sinatra top 40 version of Jackson now.

Title: Re: Johnny Cash goes to Mississippi College
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 05, 2007, 04:31:46 AM
Quote from: Gray Fox on March 04, 2007, 12:11:47 AMTwo or three asked me what "Occidental" meant.  Is there an equivalent word for "south"?

Yes, "Austral".

Latin terms for compass points:

boreal = north
austral = south
occidental = west
oriental = east
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 05, 2007, 07:19:28 AM
Gray Fox has kept his gentle Southern California accent.  In the conversations that I have had with him, he has not acquired the "y'all".

Y'all" is properly used as the second person plural pronoun as opposed to "you'uns"  "yooz-guys"  and other dialectical attempts to clarify the ambiguity of the English "you". :)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 05, 2007, 07:53:18 AM
In certain precincts of the northern tier of states, "allayou" is a quite popular form of the second person plural pronoun.

And I have noticed that in Black American Standard Dialect (aka "ebonics"), "y'all" is perfectly acceptable as a first person plural pronoun; in fact, it seems to convey a more informal and more intimate connotation than "you" in context.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on March 05, 2007, 11:33:30 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 05, 2007, 07:19:28 AM
Gray Fox has kept his gentle Southern California accent.  In the conversations that I have had with him, he has not acquired the "y'all".

Y'all" is properly used as the second person plural pronoun as opposed to "you'uns"  "yooz-guys"  and other dialectical attempts to clarify the ambiguity of the English "you". :)

Maybe in Texas.  In what is self-referenced as the "Mid-South," a region that includes Clinton, MS, ya'll (note regional spelling) is second person singular; the second person plural form is all ya'll.   ;D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on March 05, 2007, 01:23:25 PM
First off, congrats to both MC for their victory on friday and for Oxy's bball team for respresenting the SCIAC at the Big dance.
Eventhough, i am three days old on this and because i don't have the Net at home, i still needed to give both schools praises for what they have done thus far in their seasons.
I am confident and can assure you that the Men in orange and black will be back in the dance next year, so don't exclude them out just yet.
Good luck to the graduating Oxy seniors as well.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: snoop dawg on March 05, 2007, 03:16:03 PM
RT,

You forgot a dialectical attempt used commonly in eastern Ohio, northern WVA and western Pa, that is , "you'nz guys". 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on March 05, 2007, 08:11:15 PM
From Oxy's website:

Men's Hoops Falls in Mississippi

Los Angeles (March 2, 2007)

Occidental men's basketball lost to No. 3 ranked Mississippi College 68-51 in an NCAA Division III Championship first-round game Friday, March 2 in Clinton, Miss.  The Tigers, SCIAC champions for the second time in five seasons, end the 2006-07 campaign with a 19-6 overall record.

Mississippi College improved to 26-2 and will host Maryville College (Tenn.) Saturday night at 7 p.m. Central for the right to advance to the Division III Sweet 16.

The Choctaws, ranked second in Division III in points allowed (55.9 ppg), turned in a stellar defensive effort, holding the Tigers to 29% shooting from the floor in the contest.  Occidental hit seven of 24 attempts in the first half, 10 of 34 in the second, and went five of 16 from behind the three-point line. 

Point guard Ryan Hudson led Mississippi College with 15 points, eight rebounds and two assists.  Nick Mills '07 paced the Tigers with 13 points; Justin Zebb '07 added eight points and recorded four steals.  The Tigers missed the inside presence of Sam Betty '07, who sat out with a sprained knee.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on March 06, 2007, 07:11:43 PM
Having spent a couple of summers in Tennessee announcing baseball, I can tell you that "y'all" is not used in that part of the country as a second person singular.  It is only used as second person plural.  "All y'all" is referred to different groups of people put together; e.g., if addressing the Baptist Minister and the Methodist minister as to whether their congregants are welcome at the pancake breakfast, one would say "All y'all are welcome."
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DawgHeaven on March 07, 2007, 04:22:34 PM
Jim Ducey is the next Redlands men's bball coach.  Whatch out SCIAC.
http://www.redlands.edu/x31743.xml?StoryType=Athletics (http://www.redlands.edu/x31743.xml?StoryType=Athletics)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: snoop dawg on March 07, 2007, 05:14:40 PM
I hope he doesn't wear that tie to the mens games.  Congratulations to Coach D!!!!!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on March 07, 2007, 06:08:17 PM
Quote from: snoop dawg on March 07, 2007, 05:14:40 PM
I hope he doesn't wear that tie to the mens games.  Congratulations to Coach D!!!!!
OxyBob might call it the "TTS" ::)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on March 07, 2007, 06:49:58 PM
CLU will be loaded next year.  Is a dynasty forming? ;)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TeeDub on March 07, 2007, 07:35:22 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on March 07, 2007, 06:49:58 PM
CLU will be loaded next year.  Is a dynasty forming? ;)

CLU will more than likely make a run at the SCIAC title next year, but shouldn't we wait for them to win one first before we start talking 'dynasty'?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on March 07, 2007, 07:41:13 PM
Quote from: Jordis Rocks on March 07, 2007, 07:35:22 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on March 07, 2007, 06:49:58 PM
CLU will be loaded next year.  Is a dynasty forming? ;)

CLU will more than likely make a run at the SCIAC title next year, but shouldn't we wait for them to win one first before we start talking 'dynasty'?

:D :D :D  Yeah, that might be a good idea. :P

Oxy on the other hand has been to the playoffs every single year since I moved to Cali!  :o :D ;D 8) ;)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TeeDub on March 07, 2007, 07:42:37 PM
Quote from: diehardfan on March 07, 2007, 07:41:13 PM

Oxy on the other hand has been to the playoffs every single year since I moved to Cali!  :o :D ;D 8) ;)

Just a coincidence....hmmm, I wonder  :o
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciacguru on March 07, 2007, 08:37:50 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on March 07, 2007, 06:16:54 PM
Edit: I copied the players' names from the SCIAC web site, which has Connor Whitman's name misspelled. Nice.

Not only Whitman's name but also:
Manny instead of Mani
Zack instead of Zach

And OxyBob, I think you are correct that Finn Rebassssssoooooo was the last Freshman to be named 1st Team ALL-SCIAC
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: snoop dawg on March 08, 2007, 12:38:48 AM


>>Next season the Kingsmen should make sure they don't have 3 of their last 4 on the road so they don't fold faster than a 2-7 beer hand.<<

Is that the equivilent of a cheap lesiure suit?

I was very impressed with their young guards in the 2 games I watched them play.  Coach Geoff Dains has done a great job with them.  Geoff if you read this, Hi from an old friend who you saw at the Redlands game.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on March 08, 2007, 10:25:50 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on March 08, 2007, 12:12:29 AM
Jordis Rocks:

>>CLU will more than likely make a run at the SCIAC title next year, but shouldn't we wait for them to win one first before we start talking 'dynasty'?<<

Next season the Kingsmen should make sure they don't have 3 of their last 4 on the road so they don't fold faster than a 2-7 beer hand.

OxyBob


I think the scheduling issue was out of their control? No?

And I think it may have had something to do with who they had to play on the road as well - at Oxy, at PP, and at CMS in an 8 day stretch presented quite a challenge.

Finally, I know this is a bit late but it's my first post in a while, I give much credit to the Tigers for a good season and hanging pretty tough at Mississippi College without Betty.  Yeah, I know it's a team game and all that but Betty is one of the best the SCIAC has seen in recent years, and it would have been great to see how tough the Tigers played the Choctaws with him in the lineup.  Congrats to all the Tiger seniors on their success at Oxy.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bballfan2 on March 08, 2007, 01:06:34 PM
Quote from: sciacguru on March 07, 2007, 08:37:50 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on March 07, 2007, 06:16:54 PM

And OxyBob, I think you are correct that Finn Rebassssssoooooo was the last Freshman to be named 1st Team ALL-SCIAC

Pomona-Pitzter's Alex Lloyd was First Team All-SCIAC as a Freshman, when Rebasso was a jr.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TeeDub on March 08, 2007, 03:54:23 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on March 08, 2007, 01:43:36 PM
bballfan2:

I forgot all about Alex Lloyd. Great player. Andy Meier plays a similar game.

OxyBob

Meier is a good player, but I have to disagree with you on this one Bob...He is no Alex Lloyd.  I hate to think how amazing Lloyd would have been if he had not struggled with injuries.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on March 08, 2007, 11:38:20 PM
Thanks for the good will gesture, Bob  ;) :D

Jordis - I agree wholeheartedly that Lloyd was a great player.  I will respectfully suggest that if you only saw Meier play against Redlands you may not have been given the chance to fully appreciate his game.  CLU's answer to the system is so regimented (I believe Bob called it "workmanlike.") that players don't usually get the opportunity to showcase their whole skill set. 

While Meier may not yet demonstrate the explosive perimeter game Lloyd had, I do think he's a little stronger around the basket than Lloyd was as a freshmen.  Like Lloyd, Meier is very energetic and athletic.  That said, Lloyd had one of the great breakout freshman years in the 15 years I've been watching SCIAC basketball, and I'm not sure Meier had quite the same impact this year.

Regardless, it was a strong season and I'm excited about the future.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on March 09, 2007, 12:48:08 PM
Congrats to Coach Ducey at Redlands. He is a very good coach with lots of experience. I am really glad that the Redlands administration gave the position to an alum. Can't wait to see what he does with the program next year.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: snoop dawg on March 09, 2007, 12:54:32 PM
RFB.......Does he run "the system" or a more traditional style of bball?  In watching UR this year I personally felt if they had played a less tenacious press, moved it to the back court a bit more they would might have had more success.  When the other team was in a half court set, UR actually played decent defense.

Congrats to Coach D, just get rid of the tie! ;)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on March 09, 2007, 01:16:49 PM
http://www.redlandsdailyfacts.com/sports/ci_5386937

Here is an article on Coach Ducey. From what I know about him he likes to run a more traditional up tempo style of basketball. It is definitely not Gary Smiths system of basketball. I guess we will see in November.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on March 11, 2007, 05:29:34 AM
interesting to see both wooster and wash u in the final four. P-P played them both and they werent very competitive, but it gives us a sort of measuring point as to where the sciac is in comparison with the rest of the nation. also seeing mississippi college lose by 20+ was surprising... congrats to Mani for his 1st team performance, but i felt he should have been MVP
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bballfan2 on March 11, 2007, 10:16:44 AM
Didn't Miles Taylor from CMS win POY last year?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on March 11, 2007, 10:42:59 AM
Miles Talyor was definitely POY last year.... and for good reason!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Titan Q on March 11, 2007, 11:00:47 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on March 11, 2007, 09:17:31 AM
stag44:

I listened to the Pomona-WashingtonU game. The Hens led by 3 at the half. WashingtonU had an incredible second half; I think they shot 75% from the floor. Even the Bears' announcers were amazed. Pomona did not play a bad road game.

On the other hand, I saw the Wooster-Pomona game. The Hens didn't have Nathan Porter, and Dave Knowles did not play well, but Wooster was far and away the better team, the best team I've seen all season. I'm glad they're still in the tournament, so I can at least say I picked one of the Final Four. (Of course, I picked Oxy to win the whole thing in an upset, but that didn't work out.)

I hope Wooster beats Amherst because in my opinion the brackets were engineered to get Amherst to the final. Fair brackets? Fair tournament? Bah, who cares, says the NCAA. Mississippi College should have gotten a bye and should have hosted a sectional, but that bracket was arranged to make it as difficult as possible so as to eliminate travel considerations, which are the NCAA's overriding concern.

As for Mani Maceira, he would have been a very worthy SCIAC Player of the Year. I thought Knowles was going to win it, but naturally I'm happy that Sam Betty won it for the second year in a row.

OxyBob

I was at the Wash U/Pomona game.  That first half was by far the worst Wash U played in the 5 times I saw the Bears play this year. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bballfan2 on March 11, 2007, 12:28:44 PM
I thought he was, man these oxy fan's are just filling the board with misinformation. First about Rebasso then Betty...they'd have us believe only oxy players win awards

Quote from: OxyBob on March 11, 2007, 09:17:31 AM
stag44:

As for Mani Maceira, he would have been a very worthy SCIAC Player of the Year. I thought Knowles was going to win it, but naturally I'm happy that Sam Betty won it for the second year in a row.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on March 11, 2007, 12:41:55 PM
I'm sure Oxy Bob was not intentionally misleading... come on. :P :)

With that said, there's no question in my mind that Taylor was significantly better than Betty last year... the reason Oxy won that playoff game was because it was 1) in their gym and 2) they were more balanced. CMS finished the conf season strong under Taylor's leadership, while Oxy dropped, what, like 5 straight? Obviously he got the award. :)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on March 11, 2007, 12:43:53 PM
In fact, I'm pretty sure OxyBob has waxed poetic about how great Miles Taylor was, numerous times...
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bballfan2 on March 11, 2007, 02:14:41 PM
I was kidding, it was supposed to be a sarcastic remark, no harm meant.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on March 14, 2007, 02:54:43 AM
Congrats to Amir Mazarei and Coach Smith, West Region Player and Coach of the Year! Congrats also to Sam Betty, first team all West Region.

It was an honor to watch these guys this year... the honor is very much deserved!

www.d3hoops.com (http://www.d3hoops.com)

:) :) :)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: snoop dawg on March 14, 2007, 12:33:30 PM
Congrats to Coach Smith on a great career and to Amir Mazarei on his outstanding accomplishments.

I guess they have now earned the title of ..."Super Freaks"! ;)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: snoop dawg on March 14, 2007, 05:02:49 PM
I erred greatly in not also extending congrats to Sam Betty.  He should be applauded for his outstanding 4 years of dedication and achievement. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TeeDub on March 14, 2007, 05:07:34 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on March 14, 2007, 02:22:12 PM
Congratulations to Amir Mazarei and Gary Smith. I am really going to miss watching Mazarei go off for 50 a night against Oxy. Also, if Coach Smith had received this honor 10 years ago, then maybe he'd have retired then and spared us the TFS altogether. We'll never know.

Way to go, Sam Betty! In the same year Oxy loses to graduation Betty and Andy Collins, two of the school's all-time greats. Io Triumphe!

OxyBob

Bob,

Maybe the TFS was a result of him actually winning the West Region Coach of the Year in 1985...just a thought.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on March 14, 2007, 07:23:16 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on March 14, 2007, 05:44:10 PM
Sorry, I can't remember anything that long ago. I can't even remember what I had for lunch yesterday. Besides, I was only, oh, 9 or 10 years old in 1985.
I was four in 1985.... I didn't know you were only 5-6 years older than me?!!?!? ??? :D :P
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on March 15, 2007, 02:34:50 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on March 14, 2007, 05:44:10 PM
Besides, I was only, oh, 9 or 10 years old in 1985.

OxyBob

BWWAAAHHHH!!! hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

you are so full of **** . . .  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D :D ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: snoop dawg on March 15, 2007, 03:51:16 PM
st

Are you saying that OB if fudging about his age?   I thought he was a recent grad of Oxy!  Sure had me fooled.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on March 15, 2007, 05:22:28 PM
Congrats to Betty on an outstanding basketball and football career.

Naw Snoop,

I saw O.B at Oxy's homecoming football game when the 1955 SCIAC champ team. this year. No 9 year old would need to carry around an oxygen tank with them, would they?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on March 15, 2007, 05:45:05 PM
My recollection is that OB's baby brother played for the Tiger football team of '55 . . .  ;)

Nah . . . but OB does make me look young . . . and that's getting harder to do each year.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on March 17, 2007, 10:46:10 PM
Congrats to Amir Mazarei, second team All American! It was fun watching you this year!

Saw Gary Smith in Salem and and said hi... have a pic of him standing on the center court line as he was honored during halftime too..... Remind me to post it if I forget.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on March 19, 2007, 02:07:35 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on March 19, 2007, 01:47:48 PM
This season I saw Isaac Rosefelt of St. Thomas and James Cooper and Tom Port of Wooster play
You didn't see St. Thomas's Bryan Schnettler play too? :P

Quote from: OxyBob on March 19, 2007, 01:47:48 PM
I know how people hate the "we beat you who beat them who beat them" analysis, but Oxy did pound on Williams, which beat Amherst and Trinity, which also beat Amherst.
And to be fair, the other way: Amherst beat Va Wes solidly, who pounded Mississippi College, who pounded a Bettyless Occidental.

I think all the claims that DIII had extra parity this year in the top 50 teams or so is definitely evidenced by things like this.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 19, 2007, 03:51:21 PM
Schnettler was selected as an All-American.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TeeDub on March 19, 2007, 07:12:17 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on March 19, 2007, 05:31:00 PM
PC:

>>Schnettler was selected as an All-American<<

I guess I should learn how to better use the Page Down function.

OxyBob
Better yet, forget how to use the 'reply' button... ;D  You know I'm only kidding, Bob.  You make it fun, plus your comments always get people distracted away from my bonehead comments...see you in the stands next year.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: old_hooper on March 19, 2007, 08:56:06 PM
Oxy bob, the Williams team that played in CA in early Jan was not the same Williams team in Feb.  The games that they won against Trinity and Amherst in the conference tournament they shot the ball just about as good as they possibly could in those games.  their PG was 7/9 from downtown in the championship game against the same Amherst defense that won the title this week in Salem.  they needed every bit of it to pull out the win at Amherst.  No matter how good they were that weekend going into the tournament they would have had to play at that same level to advance in the tournament and it would have been nothing short of remarkable if they had.  Williams really stepped it up in Feb and made a nice run in the conference after their weekend of defeats to Trinity and Amherst late Jan.  Trinity was a very good team this year but just couldn't put it all together and really should have been back in Amherst in the elite 8, but let it slip away in OT against Brandeis in the first round.  Trinity matched up well with Amherst.  My point is that Oxy would have seen a much different Williams team that was able to pull off the big wins in the NESCAC tournament.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TeeDub on March 19, 2007, 09:36:04 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on March 19, 2007, 07:59:40 PM
Jordis Rocks:

Did you see Long Beach State's NCAA first-round game against Tennessee this past Friday? The 49ers tried to play just like Redlands, and I thought they were quite successful. They held the Vols to 121.

OxyBob
No, but I did see Weber State's opening round 42 that was very Oxy-esque.  I think this is a much more fair comparison given how outmatched Weber State was in their opener.  (All in fun!)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on March 20, 2007, 02:45:44 AM
Redlands Coach honored at halftime of the NCAA championship game:

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi108.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fn13%2Fgodspoetry%2Fcoach.jpg&hash=f970d79cc4f1d3095f3da03e5a70e618fe384de3)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TeeDub on March 20, 2007, 10:51:45 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on March 20, 2007, 01:44:11 AM
Jordis Rocks:

I don't mind you comparing Oxy to Weber State. The Wildcats won their conference and played in the NCAA postseason tournament. I guess that makes Redlands what, Montana?

OxyBob

Nice return...a clear winner  :P
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on March 20, 2007, 05:21:51 PM
This is awful.

Meier was just named to the first team SCIAC as a freshman.

A few seconds can change a whole lifetime.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 20, 2007, 08:25:13 PM
Perhaps Oxy was overrated all year and it only now caught up to them.

Ponder, for a second, what happened to the best team that Oxy beat all season -- St. Thomas lost in its first playoff game. Ponder what happened to Mississippi College when it played a ranked team -- it got spanked.

Bad combination for Oxy to be on the wrong end of.

From your last sentence of your diatribe, I'm assuming you don't want to hear evidence, but hey, votes happen.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 20, 2007, 08:30:31 PM
Sorry, of course, the St. Thomas game wasn't a win either.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 20, 2007, 08:54:46 PM
Bob,

You're omitting the fact that the previous poll was voted on AFTER the tourney selections were announced.  Since those not making the tourney had no additional wins or losses, it would be illogical to assume they would fall very far (or necessarily even at all).  If Oxy had been ranked 15th despite not making the tourney (which they wouldn't have been, since that would have meant losing the conference's top spot), they quite likely would have fallen less - afterall, they wouldn't have lost again!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 20, 2007, 10:07:05 PM
When regular season votes take place, voters are looking at a few weeks of data, to get the sense of how a team is playing recently. When the season is over, however, the entire body of work is taken into account.

No. 15 Occidental (19-6)
Nov 17   N   St. Thomas (24-4)   63-72   L   La Verne, CA
Nov 21   N   La Sierra (11-14)   78-70   W   H
Nov 24   N   Notre Dame de Namur (non-Div III)   59-66   W   Cal State Stanislaus
Nov 25   N   Cal State-Stanislaus   75-71   L   A
Nov 29   N   Cal Poly-San Luis Obispo   81-62   L   A
Dec 02   N   La Sierra (11-14)   55-70   W   A
Dec 16   N   Chapman (21-5)   67-62   W   H
Dec 29   N   Wisconsin Lutheran (15-11)   92-65   W   Caltech
Dec 31   N   Williams (16-12)   78-65   W   H
Jan 06   N   Robert Morris-Springfield (non-Div III)   71-65   W   H
Jan 10   Y   Caltech (1-24)   103-40   W   H
Jan 13   Y   Claremont-Mudd-Scripps (15-10)   71-56   W   H
Jan 17   Y   Pomona-Pitzer (16-8)   54-70   W   A
Jan 20   Y   Cal Lutheran (17-8)   56-68   W   A
Jan 24   Y   Redlands (17-7)   106-109   L   H
Jan 27   Y   La Verne (6-20)   49-70   W   A
Jan 31   Y   Whittier (9-16)   82-60   W   H
Feb 03   Y   Caltech (1-24)   31-108   W   A
Feb 07   Y   Claremont-Mudd-Scripps (15-10)   68-51   L   A
Feb 10   Y   Pomona-Pitzer (16-8)   76-59   W   H
Feb 14   Y   Cal Lutheran (17-8)   41-40   W   H
Feb 17   Y   Redlands (17-7)   106-116   W   A
Feb 19   Y   La Verne (6-20)   85-54   W   H
Feb 22   Y   Whittier (9-16)   61-63   W   A
Mar 02   N   Mississippi College (27-3)   68-51   L   A

Losses   St. Thomas (24-4), Cal State-Stanislaus, Cal Poly-San Luis Obispo, Redlands (17-7), Claremont-Mudd-Scripps (15-10), Mississippi College (27-3),
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 20, 2007, 11:43:27 PM
Not so fast, Bob.  Since about two-thirds of your post was complaining about the ranking of Oxy versus the ranking of Elmhurst, La Crosse, and Witt, and since you specifically cited that comparison in referring to 'this lame, ridiculous poll', that goes just a wee bit beyond your 'wry wit' (which I happen to appreciate, but this wasn't it, or at least not JUST a witticism).

Besides which, you were correct!  IF Oxy had not made the tourney but was nevertheless ranked #15 AFTER to tourney field had been announced, they indeed would NOT have fallen 11 slots.  Despite a probably unfair draw (I happen to agree with you) and the highly unfortunate loss of your best player, getting blown out in the first round IS more damaging than not playing a game.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 21, 2007, 12:23:07 AM
It's only meaningless because you don't like it. That doesn't render it inaccurate. :)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: snoop dawg on March 21, 2007, 01:26:29 PM
It has to be extremely difficult to complile a Top 25 Poll in d3.  The difference between publics and privates can really make it difficult to evaluate a teams record.  I realize that certain conferences are considered stronger than others but, you can get an extremely strong team from a wek conference and vise versa.  I believe this complicates the process even more.

Without teams from the various regions playing each other frequently in preseason or during the season it has to be extremely difficult to accurately rate a team compared to others from the other regions.  I can see how Oxy could have been overrated, no offense intended, until after the tourney when, you actually have the better teams from each region and the best teams from each region playing each other.  Just my opinion.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D O.C. on March 22, 2007, 03:07:57 AM
Terrible news from the CLU basketball program.

Perhaps now is a decent time to clear the air about what happened to the football players who received DUI's before an important game they blew.

The school can get through this but it will take fortitude and someone's guiding hand for a better future.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Amherst95 on March 22, 2007, 05:28:40 AM
Re Amherst and Williams, the general point about the NESCAC championship game was already made, but I wanted to add that Amherst played Williams two other times this season and beat the tar out of them.  That Williams team will be strong for the next two or three years though.

Anyone who's interested, check out the NESCAC board.  My argument there that the SCIAC is underrated is based principally on seeing Sam Betty in action last year.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Amherst95 on March 22, 2007, 05:33:35 AM
Btw I don't think there's anything wrong with that poll . . . a factor some have ignored is the low-ranked or unranked teams that proved their worthiness in the tournament.  E.g. Brockport State was unranked beforehand, but lost to Wooster in OT in the Elite Eight after three impressive wins in the first three rounds.  Would anyone seriously argue Occidental should outrank them in the final poll?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Amherst95 on March 22, 2007, 04:20:34 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on March 22, 2007, 06:46:30 AM

Finally, congratulations to your team for winning the whole thing.

OxyBob

Thanks!  We were so close a couple of times before.  I wish Amherst would come out here more often so I could see them play.

Last year I was back east and after Amherst's second round game I ended up listening to the second half of Oxy - Puget Sound game on my computer.  They nearly had it.  Adjusting to that tempo right after playing CMS must have been a challenge.  OTOH you do play Redlands a lot.

Which reminds me:  Has Redlands ever played Grinnell?  That would be fun to watch.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: snoop dawg on March 22, 2007, 04:21:22 PM
What would we do without the internet?   Are their eyes red from the camera flash or could it be the "evil hootch"?  Oh, to be young and stupid again!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on March 22, 2007, 04:26:48 PM
Real or not, I hope that PC removes those pictures.  No sense in posting them on this site.

In other news, just heard that Oxy's AD will be retiring in July.  Wonder what this means for the future...
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 22, 2007, 04:29:12 PM
Quote from: SCIAC#1Fan on March 22, 2007, 04:04:39 PM
Haha...TOO FUNNY...I know somebody at OXY that let these picture

And the fact that you're posting from Pitzer.edu has nothing to do with it, I'm sure. Nobody falls for that stuff anymore.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on March 22, 2007, 06:20:15 PM
Quote from: Amherst95 on March 22, 2007, 05:28:40 AM
Anyone who's interested, check out the NESCAC board.  My argument there that the SCIAC is underrated is based principally on seeing Sam Betty in action last year.
I thought that was an interesting discussion. While, the NESCAC is definitely a notch above the SCIAC in academics and basketball, the comparison has occurred to me as well. The MWC isn't an bad comparison either, though the schools are another notch down from the SCIAC (aside from Grinnell).

Oxy should probably be in the 22-25 range... just based on the 7 teams I saw this post season. If St. Thomas was lower.... something like the 15th range, it would look a lot less strange for Oxy to be unranked. But a lot of people probably just don't realize how much Betty meant to the team, and docked Oxy for their blowout to a team that got blown out by VA Wes accordingly. :-\


Quote from: Amherst95 on March 22, 2007, 04:20:34 PM
Which reminds me:  Has Redlands ever played Grinnell?  That would be fun to watch.
There was the possibility of it this year. Grinnell was the regular season champ of the MWC, and Redlands was the conference champ runner up for the SCIAC. If either had pulled off the playoff bid (they were both fairly close), they could have met eachother eventually.

Unfortunately, it probably won't matter much anymore due to the coaching retirement at Redlands. There really isn't a team as close to the original system as Grinnell (though Grinnell definitely wasn't exactly the system at all).
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on March 22, 2007, 06:23:08 PM
I'm too disgusted by the CLU thing for words. This is precisely the type of thing that's not supposed to happen at DIII, which is why we all love and follow it. The frosh that got arrested was the first person to score in their new arena, incidentally. He'll obviously always be on the record books for that, and that's pretty annoying.

Soooo, let's change topics.  ::)

Quote from: OxyFan21 on March 22, 2007, 04:26:48 PM
In other news, just heard that Oxy's AD will be retiring in July.  Wonder what this means for the future...
Snap... can I have the job? I would totally do a kick butt job relatively. :D ;)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on March 22, 2007, 06:37:34 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 22, 2007, 04:29:12 PM
Quote from: SCIAC#1Fan on March 22, 2007, 04:04:39 PM
Haha...TOO FUNNY...I know somebody at OXY that let these picture

And the fact that you're posting from Pitzer.edu has nothing to do with it, I'm sure. Nobody falls for that stuff anymore.

Thanks, Pat for the quick work.  Guess they have nothing better to do over there at PP.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on March 22, 2007, 06:38:59 PM
Quote from: diehardfan on March 22, 2007, 06:23:08 PM
I'm too disgusted by the CLU thing for words. This is precisely the type of thing that's not supposed to happen at DIII, which is why we all love and follow it. The frosh that got arrested was the first person to score in their new arena, incidentally. He'll obviously always be on the record books for that, and that's pretty annoying.

Soooo, let's change topics.  ::)

Quote from: OxyFan21 on March 22, 2007, 04:26:48 PM
In other news, just heard that Oxy's AD will be retiring in July.  Wonder what this means for the future...
Snap... can I have the job? I would totally do a kick butt job relatively. :D ;)

Perhaps the SID position will open up for you?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on March 22, 2007, 07:26:46 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on March 22, 2007, 06:41:25 PM
diehardfan:

>>Snap... can I have the [Oxy AD] job? I would totally do a kick butt job relatively.<<

Do you look good in black and orange?

:-[ I read that as SID job... I definitely have no desire or skill to take over an entire Athletic Department. :o :-X

I do look good in black (the neutral color I wear to most games) and orange (a wheaton color) though. :)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on March 22, 2007, 09:24:53 PM
<<Player 2: It sure is.  Do you want to go to the library and study?
Player 1: Nah. If I wanted to study, I would have gone to Chapman.  Do you want to go work out or shoot some baskets in our brand new $18 million sports and fitness center, which is the envy of everyone in the SCIAC?>>
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: snoop dawg on March 22, 2007, 11:37:56 PM
OB      I know some guys in Hollywood that would appreciate your script writing talents.  Once again, you have me in stiches!!  I would hit you with +k if I could.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 23, 2007, 12:02:32 AM
Grinnell and Redlands are playing each other next year. Unfortunately, Coach Smith wasn't allowed to be around for it.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TeeDub on March 23, 2007, 12:12:28 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 23, 2007, 12:02:32 AM
Grinnell and Redlands are playing each other next year. Unfortunately, Coach Smith wasn't allowed to be around for it.

Pat,

I have always admired your DIII perception, but your phrasing of this statement is remarkable.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: snoop dawg on March 23, 2007, 12:26:24 PM
JR    I think it was PC's attempt at "dry wit". ;)  He should have used a smiley face.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Amherst95 on March 23, 2007, 03:27:47 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 23, 2007, 12:02:32 AM
Grinnell and Redlands are playing each other next year. Unfortunately, Coach Smith wasn't allowed to be around for it.

Where?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TeeDub on March 23, 2007, 04:34:37 PM
Quote from: snoop dawg on March 23, 2007, 12:26:24 PM
JR    I think it was PC's attempt at "dry wit". ;)  He should have used a smiley face.
I did not mean my comment in a negative way...actually quite the contrary.  I have found Pat to be quite selective in the words he chooses to share, that is why I know he meant exactly what he said.  I actually find it quite insightful.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on March 23, 2007, 06:19:57 PM
Quote from: Jordis Rocks on March 23, 2007, 04:34:37 PM
Quote from: snoop dawg on March 23, 2007, 12:26:24 PM
JR    I think it was PC's attempt at "dry wit". ;)  He should have used a smiley face.
I did not mean my comment in a negative way...actually quite the contrary.  I have found Pat to be quite selective in the words he chooses to share, that is why I know he meant exactly what he said.  I actually find it quite insightful.
Yup. That was pretty carefully and excellently phrased, and I noticed it too. :-\
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 23, 2007, 09:25:23 PM
Thanks. A decade of editing at work there. I do tend to choose my words carefully when the situation calls for it.  :-\
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on March 27, 2007, 10:41:19 PM
I thought this might be of interest since the U.S. News rankings sometimes make their way on to this board.  (You know, like when a CLU alum pokes fun at a Pomona Alum for their inferior educational background  ;) )

From this week's issue of Time magazine: The Rankings Revolt (http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1601839,00.html)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AndOne on April 05, 2007, 02:04:05 AM
Quote from: snoop dawg on March 22, 2007, 11:37:56 PM
OB      I know some guys in Hollywood that would appreciate your script writing talents.  Once again, you have me in stiches!!  I would hit you with +k if I could.

Snoop-----

I agree with your comments about OxyBob's script.
I'll give him the +K that you can't yet.  ;)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AndOne on April 05, 2007, 02:08:26 AM
Quote from: diehardfan on March 22, 2007, 07:26:46 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on March 22, 2007, 06:41:25 PM
diehardfan:

>>Snap... can I have the [Oxy AD] job? I would totally do a kick butt job relatively.<<

Do you look good in black and orange?

:-[ I read that as SID job... I definitely have no desire or skill to take over an entire Athletic Department. :o :-X

I do look good in black (the neutral color I wear to most games) and orange (a wheaton color) though. :)

One vote for DHF for Queen of the Halloween Ball!  ::)  :)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on April 11, 2007, 02:45:20 PM
Just in case some of you guys ever want to remember Cal Tech's first win in 21 years, there is a documentary that C.I.T made and paid for to remember.the 07. All SCIAC schools are shown in the film of course. Heres what the local Star News has been running in the paper about the school and film

PASADENA - Roy Dow fondly recalls his first day coaching the Caltech Beavers as a complete disaster.

The basketball team hadn't won a game since 1985, and scanning the court, he said he could see why.

"That first day I didn't even know what sport we were playing. The balls were flying everywhere. The sidelines didn't seem to mean much," said the coach, who took the position after a 21-year coaching career at Colby College in upstate New York.

Four years later, Dow and his team - which includes eight high school valedictorians but only two high school basketball players - are the subject of a feature-length documentary which recently won the Top 10 Audience Choice Award at the Santa Barbara International Film Festival.

"Quantum Hoops" follows the tail end of the Beavers' 2006 season as they attempt, unsuccessfully, to win a single game and break a 21-year losing streak.

Interspersed into the action, first-time documentarian Rick Greenwald also weaves into the story the surprisingly rich sports history at Caltech. The film includes interviews with members of the school's 1954 basketball team - which shocked the Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference by winning a


championship - and San Antonio Spurs head coach Gregg Popovich. Caltech defeated Popovich's Pomona-Pitzer team in the 1980s - one of only two Beaver wins for the decade.
"None of us knew about the history here. Right now the person who knows the most history about sports at Caltech is Rick," said David Lui, a senior featured both on the court and in the laboratory in Hoops.

A private screening of "Quantum Hoops" was held Tuesday at Caltech's Beckman Auditorium for nearly 200 students and professors who have experienced the more recent decades of loss firsthand. But for those not familiar with Caltech's record, Greenwald warns that "Quantum Hoops" doesn't project the familiar story of underdogs who turn around to win a championship - although the team did win a non-conference game against Bard College the season after the documentary wrapped.

While the team has improved measurably since Dow's early days as coach - even he still defines success as a margin of defeat of less than 20 points.

Winning used to be impossible, he said. Now, as he says in the film, "It's not impossible, just improbable."

A member of his high school band with no basketball experience before walking on to a NCAA Division III team, Lui said starring in a sports documentary was not what he had in mind when entering Caltech.

But while he thought the movie was an overall positive for the team and university as a whole, he also admits that it's not always great to be famous for being bad at a game they all love.

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Post by: Roy Dow on April 11, 2007, 03:11:07 PM
Just one correction brown eagle, Caltech had no role in the making of the documentary other than being the subject.  The producer, Rick Greenwald, developed this project through his initiative and hard work and, at this time, no return on that personal investment.  He is in conversation with a number of companies regarding distribution rights.  But Caltech certainly did not provide any funding or solicit the making of this documentary.

Actually another correction to the article:  the attendance was closer to 500.  The reporter perhaps could have used any number of Caltech people in attendance (including Nobel prize winners) to help with the more accurate count.  Hope you get an opportunity to see the doc at some point in time, sooner rather than later.  It does tell the "story" of the 05-06 team, but it actually uses that season and the basketball program to also tell the Caltech story, capturing the mission and essence of what goes on here quite effectively.
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Post by: David Collinge on April 11, 2007, 03:16:05 PM
You can read more about the documentary at the official website:
http://www.quantumhoops.com/

I'm hoping to see the film within the near future; with luck, the fact that my brother-in-law is the president of the Los Angeles Film Critics Association (http://www.lafca.net/) will give me some access.  In the meantime, I can just enjoy the T-Shirt (http://www.bookstore.caltech.edu/caltech/product.asp?mscssid=076L9L5HS3LF9JMC5JH0J68UCGTFC5G8&pf_id=8LXA0F6XRSHJ5UGEF1C7&catalog_id=151&type=1&name=Caltech+Basketball+Hoops+T%2DShirt&origination_id=W&target=single%5Fview) I bought during the season.  :)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on April 11, 2007, 03:37:02 PM
One other error on the story - Coach Dow's former coaching stint (Colby College) has been located in Waterville, Maine (not upstate New York) for nearly 200 years now!  Perhaps the reporter should have one of those valedictorians on the bball team fact check his articles. ;)
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Post by: Roy Dow on April 11, 2007, 06:00:37 PM
Mr. Collinge,
The director/producer certainly would appreciate any assistance with entry to the LA Film Festival.  Your brother-in-law may be able to help. 

The documentary, as noted in the article, did play at the Santa Barbara Film Festival but was not accepted to Sundance or the Tribeca/ESPN film festival.  I know he is pursuing LA among others at this time.

Thank you.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on April 11, 2007, 06:41:09 PM
Quote from: Roy Dow on April 11, 2007, 06:00:37 PM
Mr. Collinge,
The director/producer certainly would appreciate any assistance with entry to the LA Film Festival.  Your brother-in-law may be able to help. 

The documentary, as noted in the article, did play at the Santa Barbara Film Festival but was not accepted to Sundance or the Tribeca/ESPN film festival.  I know he is pursuing LA among others at this time.

Thank you.

I don't know how much pull he has, but I'll bring it up when I see him later this week.  He's a fan of Caltech hoops, and we've been to a couple of games during my various sojourns in LA.
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Post by: diehardfan on April 11, 2007, 10:43:51 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on April 11, 2007, 06:41:09 PM
I don't know how much pull he has, but I'll bring it up when I see him later this week.  He's a fan of Caltech hoops, and we've been to a couple of games during my various sojourns in LA.
How come you sent me an email today and I am still not aware that you were going to be here this week? ??? I know the Wheaton Men's Glee Club video was funny, but.... :P

David's bro in law is indeed a very nice guy, and I can personally vouch for the fact that he was at Cal Tech at some point two seasons ago. :D However, one would think that the film would need artistic merit on top of the the obvious content merit it already possesses to be fairly considered... hopefully it has that!

Is there a reason why the viewing of the film was closed to the general public? I can't imagine that the public response would have been so overwhelming that the place couldn't hold us, and I'm sure there are several of us SCIAC regulars like me and probably Oxy Bob (who was there for The Win) who would have liked to see it.... :(
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on April 12, 2007, 02:46:15 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on April 11, 2007, 11:29:37 PM
Quote from: diehardfan on April 11, 2007, 10:43:51 PM
Is there a reason why the viewing of the film was closed to the general public? I can't imagine that the public response would have been so overwhelming that the place couldn't hold us, and I'm sure there are several of us SCIAC regulars like me and probably Oxy Bob (who was there for The Win) who would have liked to see it....

That's about the last time my school won a national championship too.  :-[
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on April 12, 2007, 07:11:02 AM
Quote from: Browneagle64 on April 11, 2007, 02:45:20 PM"Quantum Hoops" follows the tail end of the Beavers' 2006 season as they attempt, unsuccessfully, to win a single game and break a 21-year losing streak.

That's a great title.

This doc sounds like the perfect yin to the yang of Hoop Dreams. Perhaps future students of the sociology of American sports will view the two documentaries together as a compare-and-contrast double feature.

Quote from: Roy Dow on April 11, 2007, 03:11:07 PMActually another correction to the article:  the attendance was closer to 500.  The reporter perhaps could have used any number of Caltech people in attendance (including Nobel prize winners) to help with the more accurate count.

Heh!

Quote from: David Collinge on April 11, 2007, 03:16:05 PMI'm hoping to see the film within the near future; with luck, the fact that my brother-in-law is the president of the Los Angeles Film Critics Association (http://www.lafca.net/) will give me some access.  In the meantime, I can just enjoy the T-Shirt (http://www.bookstore.caltech.edu/caltech/product.asp?mscssid=076L9L5HS3LF9JMC5JH0J68UCGTFC5G8&pf_id=8LXA0F6XRSHJ5UGEF1C7&catalog_id=151&type=1&name=Caltech+Basketball+Hoops+T%2DShirt&origination_id=W&target=single%5Fview) I bought during the season.  :)

That's a great t-shirt. Perhaps it can give UCSC's Banana Slugs t-shirts a run for the money in the hip novelty apparel sweepstakes ...

Quote from: Roy Dow on April 11, 2007, 06:00:37 PMThe documentary, as noted in the article, did play at the Santa Barbara Film Festival but was not accepted to Sundance or the Tribeca/ESPN film festival.

... although apparently neither Robert Redford nor Robert DeNiro has warmed to the idea of wearing a Quantum Hoops Caltech t-shirt.

Aw, the heck with those two bozos.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on April 13, 2007, 12:53:27 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on April 12, 2007, 10:46:12 AMJohn Travolta wore a UC Santa Cruz Banana Slugs t-shirt in Pulp Fiction. (http://slugweb.com/slugweb/_images/PulpFiction.jpg)

That's what I had in mind when I referred to "hip novelty apparel".
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Titan Q on April 24, 2007, 02:15:20 PM
SCIAC friends or anyone in the know, a question...

I received a copy of Illinois Wesleyan's tentative 2007-08 schedule.  It has IWU playing @ Occidental on 12/29 and @ "Claremont-McKenna" on 12/31.  Is "Claremont-McKenna" the SCIAC school known as "Claremont-Mudd-Scripps", or are these separate schools?

Thanks.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on April 24, 2007, 02:38:59 PM
This may not be too helpful to Q, who probably already knows this much, but I always like to take the opportunity to point this out to the casual lurker who might be confused by the SCIAC's versions of the Claremont Colleges.

Claremont McKenna College is one of the five undergraduate institutions in Claremont that have a symbiotic relationship, sharing a campus and some facilities and staff but retaining separate identities.  The shared resources extend to the area of athletics, where three of the schools (Claremont McKenna, Harvey Mudd, and Scripps Colleges) field joint intercollegiate teams as "Claremont-Mudd-Scripps," and two others (Pomona and Pitzer Colleges) compete as "Pomona-Pitzer."

So if IWU is playing Claremont McKenna, they are of necessity playing CMS, as Claremont McKenna doesn't field separate teams.  That, I suppose, is the answer to your question.

More on the Claremont Colleges (http://www.claremont.edu/)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Titan Q on April 24, 2007, 02:47:06 PM
Thanks David!  I was never exactly sure how all of that worked.  Very helpful.

I'll suggest to IWU that they change the schedule to "Claremont-Mudd-Scripps."  Looking forward to a trip to SCIAC-land in December!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on April 24, 2007, 02:58:58 PM
As an addition to what David said, Claremont-Mudd-Scripps plays in Ducey Gymnasium and Pomona-Pitzer plays in the Rains Center. As the colleges are all a big group (Pomona and Pitzer are actually the furthest from eachother), those gyms are within easy walking distance from eachother (significantly less than a half a mile) and can both be seen from the same street.

map (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&hl=en&saddr=690+N.+Mills,+claremont,+ca&daddr=n+college+way+and+e+6th+st,+ca&layer=&sll=34.099692,-117.713023&sspn=0.00207,0.003471&ie=UTF8&z=17&t=h&om=1)

They're only around 40 minutes or so away from Occidental's Rush Gymnasium. And I only know this cause I went to all three this year in the same night trying to figure out where a game was actually being played. :D

Claremont McKenna is the school that hosts the CMS sports sites, so that's probably where the confusion of the IWU's SID came from. Unless of course the Baby Titans 2 were so scared of the CMS squad that they felt the need to play only the students from only one of the three institutions. :D ;)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on April 24, 2007, 06:58:08 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on April 24, 2007, 03:05:30 PM
Quote from: April Lee on April 24, 2007, 02:58:58 PM
As an addition to what David said, Claremont-Mudd-Scripps plays in Ducey Gymnasium and Pomona-Pitzer plays in the Rains Center.

To confuse things further, the new men's basketball coach at Redlands is Jim Ducey.

OxyBob

Oh worthy trivia master . . . please enlighten us . . . any connection between the two?

tooth
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 24, 2007, 11:37:52 PM
Is that the first we're hearing of this hire from a month ago or did I miss something?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on April 24, 2007, 11:50:20 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on April 24, 2007, 11:37:52 PM
Is that the first we're hearing of this hire from a month ago or did I miss something?
It was definitely mentioned.... I know cause I got an email about it and was going to say something but someone had already posted.

Ahhah! Proof Pat doesn't pay attention to us.... just kidding! ;)

Thanks OxyBob for the article link. I had stupidly assumed it was a coincidence. Interesting stuff!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 25, 2007, 01:24:52 AM
Thanks. I know we didn't get a release on it. I don't always get to surf each message board looking for news.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on April 25, 2007, 11:33:37 AM
Here you go....

Quote from: DawgHeaven on March 07, 2007, 04:22:34 PM
Jim Ducey is the next Redlands men's bball coach.  Whatch out SCIAC.
http://www.redlands.edu/x31743.xml?StoryType=Athletics (http://www.redlands.edu/x31743.xml?StoryType=Athletics)


And something I found on the same page...

Quote from: Gray Fox on March 07, 2007, 06:49:58 PM
CLU will be loaded next year.  Is a dynasty forming? ;)
Or several of their players could get arrested for stealing stuff out of cars....  :-\
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Post by: Gray Fox on April 25, 2007, 05:45:25 PM
Quote from: April Lee on April 25, 2007, 11:33:37 AM
Here you go....

Quote from: DawgHeaven on March 07, 2007, 04:22:34 PM
Jim Ducey is the next Redlands men's bball coach.  Whatch out SCIAC.
http://www.redlands.edu/x31743.xml?StoryType=Athletics (http://www.redlands.edu/x31743.xml?StoryType=Athletics)


And something I found on the same page...

Quote from: Gray Fox on March 07, 2007, 06:49:58 PM
CLU will be loaded next year.  Is a dynasty forming? ;)
Or several of their players could get arrested for stealing stuff out of cars....  :-\
The key player in the dynasty was one of the players. :'(
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on April 25, 2007, 06:44:17 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on April 25, 2007, 05:45:25 PM
Quote from: April Lee on April 25, 2007, 11:33:37 AM
And something I found on the same page...

Quote from: Gray Fox on March 07, 2007, 06:49:58 PM
CLU will be loaded next year.  Is a dynasty forming? ;)
Or several of their players could get arrested for stealing stuff out of cars....  :-\
The key player in the dynasty was one of the players. :'(

I know, it's so sad. He was a talented player, and now his entire life is basically shot. It's just the kind of thing that's not supposed to happen in DIII. :'(
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Post by: NWCer on April 26, 2007, 01:53:00 AM
April,

It is sad, he is a talented player, but the kid made a very bad, and STUPID mistake (that seemed very poorly planned I might add) but I wouldn't go so far as saying "his entire life is basically shot".  Hopefully his family, the community, and society itself will give the kid a second chance, and he will ultimately make the most of that.  We have to have some belief in rehabilitation.

And unfortunately Division III isn't immune to these type of things.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on April 26, 2007, 03:45:44 PM
Quote from: NWCer on April 26, 2007, 01:53:00 AM
April,

It is sad, he is a talented player, but the kid made a very bad, and STUPID mistake (that seemed very poorly planned I might add) but I wouldn't go so far as saying "his entire life is basically shot".  Hopefully his family, the community, and society itself will give the kid a second chance, and he will ultimately make the most of that.  We have to have some belief in rehabilitation.

And unfortunately Division III isn't immune to these type of things.

(that seemed very poorly planned I might add)
:D :-X

I don't mean completely shot, no. I am staunchly opposed to a penal judicial system, and am all about rehabilitation too. But after they serves their time or whatever they have to do, they'll always have this on their record, they'll have to write it on every job application, and I can't imagine they'll be allowed to stay in school.

Yes there will be chances for redemption, and I hope it happens. Wheaton, my college, actually has a really cool program that helps rehabilitated criminals with full scholarships.

http://www.bgcprisonministries.com/index.php?id=7

One of my dear friends at Wheaton received this scholarship, graduated, and now works with at-risk youth. He's definitely one of the best people I know. As a person of faith I believe that God is capable of transforming and redeeming everything.

It will be a long and arduous process, however. (As someone pointed out to me, this is in some sense a tribute to DIII... cause at a DI college or in the NBA, they'd just be in practice the next week). I wish them nothing but the best. But I reserve the right to be really, really sad that this happened. :(
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on April 26, 2007, 04:53:03 PM
And then someone steals my credit card and makes hundreds of dollars of purchases on it in just a few hours... seriously, what is wrong with the world?  :-\ I'm just going to assume that this was totally done by someone who went to a DI school. :D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on May 08, 2007, 01:04:55 AM
Wheaton is playing in the Cal Tech tournament this winter!

http://www.wheaton.edu/Athletics/mbasketball/schedule07-08.html

So exciting! My two favorite schools in the same gym...  ;)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on May 08, 2007, 01:14:39 AM
Quote from: April Lee on May 08, 2007, 01:04:55 AM
Wheaton is playing in the Cal Tech tournament this winter!

http://www.wheaton.edu/Athletics/mbasketball/schedule07-08.html

So exciting! My two favorite schools in the same gym...  ;)

Be careful what you wish for, April.  Cal Tech is due for the BIG ONE any time now!  (Or is that the San Andreas Fault I'm thinking of?)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 08, 2007, 11:47:29 AM
The folks at Caltech prefer the one-word spelling.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on May 08, 2007, 09:28:05 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on May 08, 2007, 11:47:29 AM
The folks at Caltech prefer the one-word spelling.
After "The Big One" they will have to use the separation. :o
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on May 10, 2007, 06:50:53 AM
Quote from: Gray Fox on May 08, 2007, 09:28:05 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on May 08, 2007, 11:47:29 AM
The folks at Caltech prefer the one-word spelling.
After "The Big One" they will be have to use the separation. :o

Yep. They'll then be known as Calt Ech.

And Alfred E. Neuman will be the new mascot. ;)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on May 28, 2007, 02:51:29 PM
Being completely random, I was just looking at the SCIAC all time Men's Basketball records... which have still not been updated to include this season :D :-\ :-X ).

http://www.thesciac.org/sports/mbkb/history/sciac_mens_bball_stats.pdf?dec=

Amir Mazarei is listed 12 times, and Sam Betty is listed 5 times. Can you imagine what it's going to be like once this season is included?  ??? :o ;D ;D ;D ;D

This league sure lost two of it's most dominant scorers ever this past season! I'm looking forward to seeing who will fill the voids in the upcoming season. :)

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on June 05, 2007, 08:27:24 PM
I got an unexpected chance to talk up Caltech hoops yesterday at Yosemite.  I was wearing my "Quantum Hoops" t-shirt, and was stopped by an older couple with the comment "I didn't know they played basketball at Caltech."  By the time I let them go, they had promised to check out a game and to talk to some friend who evidently programs a film festival in Palm Springs about getting "Quantum Hoops" on the program.  Go Beavers!  ;D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on June 10, 2007, 03:00:43 PM
From a profile of San Antonio Spurs coach Gregg Popovich in today's Washington Post:

"The people who have known Popovich the longest say he could have remained the coach at Division III Pomona-Pitzer in Southern California for his entire career and been as content as he is coaching the Spurs."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/06/09/AR2007060901433.html
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on June 22, 2007, 05:02:45 PM
Wow, it looks like the Leopard Bball program is taking a huge step backwards this offseason. According to ULV'S websit and University of La Verne Director of Athletics Christopher Ragsdale, it has been announced that the resignation of men's basketball coach Gabe Duran, who leaves ULV after five seasons at the helm and 11 seasons affiliated with the Leopard men's basketball program will be effective June 30.

Ragsdale also announced that he will begin a national search for the position immediately.

"I appreciate the effort and energy Gabe put into the growth of our men's basketball program over the last four years," Ragsdale said. "He is an incredibly classy individual who represented the University of La Verne and our community with all that was right. We will look for someone to continue Gabe's passion and commitment."

Upon his graduation from La Verne in 1998, Duran served five seasons as head coach and four seasons as an assistant coach. After two seasons as an assistant in 1998-99 and 1999-00, he took on the role of interim head coach during the 2000-01 season before returning as an assistant in 2001-02 and 2002-03. He was named head basketball coach at the start of the 2003-04 campaign.

"Words cannot express how grateful I am for the opportunity to coach basketball here at my alma mater," Duran said. "With the renovation of the Sports Science & Athletics Pavilion nearing completion, the future of the men's basketball program and the athletic department as a whole is bright. ULV will forever hold a special place in my heart and I will always be a Leopard."

Duran arrived at La Verne as a transfer from Mendocino College in 1996 and was the starting point guard at ULV during his junior and senior seasons. He was named the University's Scafani Award winner as the school's top senior male athlete in 1998.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: (509)Rat on June 27, 2007, 07:12:31 PM
Looks like Whitworth will be coming down to SoCal this year to play in the Lee Fulmer Classic at Redlands...will Oxy be in attendance, or do we just get to beat up on the bulldogs?  ;D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Fight ULV on June 28, 2007, 03:45:51 PM
I hope the search for a basketball coach doesn't take as long as the football coach search.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sixfour on June 28, 2007, 05:26:07 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on June 24, 2007, 11:12:00 AM
Quote from: Browneagle64 on June 22, 2007, 05:02:45 PM
Wow, it looks like the Leopard Bball program is taking a huge step backwards this offseason. According to ULV'S websit and University of La Verne Director of Athletics Christopher Ragsdale, it has been announced that the resignation of men's basketball coach Gabe Duran, who leaves ULV after five seasons at the helm and 11 seasons affiliated with the Leopard men's basketball program will be effective June 30.
...

Upon his graduation from La Verne in 1998, Duran served five seasons as head coach and four seasons as an assistant coach. After two seasons as an assistant in 1998-99 and 1999-00, he took on the role of interim head coach during the 2000-01 season before returning as an assistant in 2001-02 and 2002-03. He was named head basketball coach at the start of the 2003-04 campaign.

If the Leopards are taking a step backwards then they're in trouble. In the past 4 seasons under Duran, the only SCIAC team with less wins than La Verne is Caltech.

OxyBob


What direction do you think they will go? or should go? I personally think they should make a move to get a young coach from a different area, maybe a metro area like Chicago or New York, and expand recruiting horizons, and have a fresh young mind at the helm.....cant get much worse than they have been doing, they havent been TERRIBLE but they havent had any realistic chances of contending either.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sixfour on July 02, 2007, 01:07:58 PM
Quote from: sixfour on June 28, 2007, 05:26:07 PM


quoted myself bc noone acknowledged me lol
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 05, 2007, 12:57:55 PM
Creamed?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 05, 2007, 01:22:43 PM
Nah. A 10-point win in a System game is a buffer of about 60 seconds.

Creamed is what Cal Lu did to Redlands. :)

Unfortunately, since the SCIAC doesn't believe in posting play by play with their box scores. When you're posting 1990s-style box scores it's hard to learn anything.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on August 18, 2007, 01:36:28 PM
LaVerne has hired its new hoops coach.

From the SCIAC website at:  http://www.thesciac.org/sports/mbkb/2006-07/news/ulv_newcoach


LEOPARD ALUM RICHARD REED HIRED AS MEN'S BASKETBALL COACH

After an extensive nationwide search, University of La Verne director of athletics Chris Ragsdale has named ULV alumnus Richard Reed as head men's basketball coach.

A 1999 graduate of the University of La Verne, Reed has a total of eight years of coaching experience which includes the Division I, II and III levels. He most recently completed a stint at Cal State Sacramento as an assistant during the 2006-07 campaign. At Sacramento State, Reed worked with the team's post players while assisting with academics, recruiting, on-floor coaching and scouting. He was also be in charge of fund raising and team camps.

"We are thrilled to welcome back Richard as part of our campus community," Ragsdale said. "We are extremely pleased to be able to get a quality person and coach to lead our men's basketball program. Richard has had tremendous success as an assistant coach and we look for him to continue that success here at La Verne."

Reed also served as an assistant coach at Northern Colorado for one season (2005-06), three years at Loyola Marymount (2002-05), two seasons at Cal Poly Pomona (2000-02) and one year at La Verne (1999-00).

"It's definitely exciting to have the opportunity to coach at my alma mater," said Reed, who succeeds Gabe Duran at the helm of the Leopard basketball program. "It's also exciting to witness the facility renovation of the Sports Science & Athletics Pavilion. I look forward to challenge of moving this program forward and making serious strides within the SCIAC."

At Northern Colorado, Reed was responsible for all recruiting in California and Texas, and signed top recruit Darren Moore from Chino Hills, Calif. Moore was named the "Steal of the Southland" by both Channel 4 news and the Los Angeles Times. Reed also assisted with game preparation, practice planning, the development of perimeter players, as well as community outreach and program promotion. A proven teacher of the game, Reed mentored student-athlete Sean Taibi, who broke the school single season three-point shooting record and garnered first-team all-Independent honors.

At Loyola Marymount, Reed spent three years as an assistant on Steve Aggress' staff, where he helped coach the program to its first winning record since the 1997-98 season. With the Lions, Reed was in charge of recruiting California junior college players, development of wing players, strength and conditioning, community service, team travel, equipment, facilities and summer camps.

During Reed's time at Cal Poly Pomona, the team posted a two-year record of 35-19. As an assistant coach, Reed designed and implemented a total strength and conditioning program, monitored the academic progress of the student-athletes and worked closely with the community to develop positive relations through summer camps and community service programs.

Reed began his coaching career as a graduate assistant coach for the Leopard women's basketball program during the 1999-2000 season. Reed was a two-year letter winner at La Verne from 1997-99 and graduated in 1999 with a degree in history. Prior to attending La Verne, Reed received his Associate of Arts degree at East Los Angeles College and was a two-time letterwinner for the basketball squad.

A 1994 graduate of Bishop Amat High School, Reed earned all-league honors in basketball as a junior at Bishop Amat and led the team in assists and steals as a senior.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on August 23, 2007, 12:19:38 PM
FYI, i am glad to report that several of Oxy players have retured early from their summer vactions to start their own conditioning with their teammates and getting ready for another repeat at the SCIAC crown.  These guys should be ready to dominate the SCIAC once december comes by.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DIIIghetto on August 23, 2007, 07:24:49 PM
Browneagle, jumping the gun a little there.   With the football players in camp, it is almost time for us to get serious about the hardwood.   Most exciting thing about this year is we get the 3 team playoff!  About time.  Here are some preliminary questions I look forward to seeing answered this year.   

1.  We will find out how important winning is to Cal Lu when we see if they let those players return.  I'm all in favor of forgiveness and everyone can make a bonehead move, especially young folks.  But their best player, who was implicated in the entire ordeal, seemed to be like 25 years old to me so I have a harder time giving him a get out of jail free card by blaming it on his youth.
2.  Redlands new era: how will they play, is Ducey the guy to turn Redlands into a powerhouse and if so, how long will it take.  Personally, I think his best chances of accomplishing those things are next year and the following year.   I will wait to hear more but am inclined on his rep alone to think Redlands has a super chance at one of the 3 post-season conference slots.  (same goes for Reed at LV, but he got the job so late that if he was able to bring anyone in for this year I would be shocked)
3.  Did our teams and our conference for that matter, bring in some new horses this year to help us continue to elevate our play?   
4.  How will Oxy respond to the whipping it took in Mississippi during the tournament.  Granted, Oxy was screwed by the Committee and yes, losing Betty realistically meant that they had little chance of doing anything in that game... but it is one thing to lose and another to get spanked in a way that had us all running for cover.   We simply can't have our representative perform like that or we'll be the DIII ghetto here in the SCIAC forever. 
5.  Who will get under OB's skin first this year?  By the way, OB, your comeback about car alarms was an all-time classic.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on August 24, 2007, 08:51:40 PM
Quote from: DIIIghetto on August 23, 2007, 07:24:49 PM
4.  How will Oxy respond to the whipping it took in Mississippi during the tournament.  Granted, Oxy was screwed by the Committee and yes, losing Betty realistically meant that they had little chance of doing anything in that game... but it is one thing to lose and another to get spanked in a way that had us all running for cover.   We simply can't have our representative perform like that or we'll be the DIII ghetto here in the SCIAC forever. 


Oxy graduated Betty and the bulk of their starting players.  This year's seniors bring a lot of bench time to the table.  I'd say my Tigers are an unknown quantity this year as both how the returning players will perform and what the recruiting class will yield (on the men's side).
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on September 08, 2007, 08:22:31 PM
Yes they did graduate the POY and several key members of the team, however, let me just mention that with the return of players such as Whitman, Conti, pitcher and an incoming 6-7 or 6-8 freshmen, i will assure you that the tigers will be doing everything possible to defend the SCIAC crown.
I got another chance to step into the athletic gym at the rock yesterday and saw how these young men came together on a friday afternoon on their own to run their own practice and even hit the weight room as a unit. This sure tells you that the tigers will do everything possible to do well in their new chapter of SCIAC basketball.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciacguru on September 11, 2007, 12:40:50 AM
Quote from: Browneagle64 on September 08, 2007, 08:22:31 PM
I got another chance to step into the athletic gym at the rock yesterday and saw how these young men came together on a friday afternoon on their own to run their own practice and even hit the weight room as a unit. This sure tells you that the tigers will do everything possible to do well in their new chapter of SCIAC basketball.

Hmmmmmmmm......better be careful.................

Division III
NCAA bylaw 17.02.1.1 (g) - pg 122
On-court or on-field activities called by any member(s) of a team and confined primarily to members of that team that are considered prequisite for participation in that sport (e.g. captain's practices)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: NWCer on September 20, 2007, 09:28:17 PM
All of our NWC schedules have been released and it looks like a few will be coming your way to play, Willamette, Whitworth, Pacific, Whitman, along with La Verne coming up here to play UPS.  How do you think they will go?  Who are the favorites in your league?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on September 26, 2007, 08:07:54 PM
From the SCIAC website.

Check out the All Conference basketball players for 1932/33 and 1933/34.  A San Diego State guy went on to fame and fortune.

  http://www.thesciac.org/sports/mbkb/history/Men-s_Basketball_All-Conference_Teams_1932_-_1989.pdf?dec=
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on September 27, 2007, 09:51:47 AM
Quote from: Gray Fox on September 26, 2007, 08:07:54 PM
From the SCIAC website.

Check out the All Conference basketball players for 1932/33 and 1933/34.  A San Diego State guy went on to fame and fortune.

  http://www.thesciac.org/sports/mbkb/history/Men-s_Basketball_All-Conference_Teams_1932_-_1989.pdf?dec=

Basketball players say the darndest things.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DIIIghetto on October 01, 2007, 04:21:19 PM
Rumor that Cal Lu has made the surprising decision to allow their athletes involved with theft allegations last spring to return.  Anyone have an update?

I say surprising because student-athletes at D1 campuses get kicked out for similar infractions.  Go to Cal Lu and fund your education by stealing?

It would shock me if a tight-knit community like they have at Cal Lu would do these young men the disservice of showing them that even at the DIII level they can bank on their athletic talents being prioritized over their character development.

I say this with the disclaimer that I don't know anything other than the rumor and look forward to someone informing me of the facts and setting me straight.



Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AndOne on October 02, 2007, 01:41:06 AM
Quote from: DIIIghetto on October 01, 2007, 04:21:19 PM
Rumor that Cal Lu has made the surprising decision to allow their athletes involved with theft allegations last spring to return.  Anyone have an update?

I say surprising because student-athletes at D1 campuses get kicked out for similar infractions.  Go to Cal Lu and fund your education by stealing?

It would shock me if a tight-knit community like they have at Cal Lu would do these young men the disservice of showing them that even at the DIII level they can bank on their athletic talents being prioritized over their character development.

I say this with the disclaimer that I don't know anything other than the rumor and look forward to someone informing me of the facts and setting me straight.



CLU Athletics Mission Statement

California Lutheran University is a private, residential, liberal arts institution and is a member of the NCAA Division III and the SCIAC conference. As such, the integration of the academic and the athletic experience is regarded with utmost importance. The primary goal of CLU student-athletes is high academic achievement and graduation in a timely fashion. CLU Intercollegiate Athletics supports the mission of the University, which is to "...educate leaders for a global society who are strong in character and judgement, confident in their identity and vocation, and committed to service and justice."

Participants in athletics have no unique privileges as it relates to academics, financial aid, or living arrangements. Our students participate as amateurs, engaging in sport for its education, physical, mental, and social benefits. CLU holds the health and welfare of its student-athletes regarding all facets of college life as an important aspect in their college experience. For them, participation in sport is an avocation.

CLU supports student-athletes in their efforts to reach high levels of performance by providing outstanding training, coaching, and appropriate competitive opportunities within our region. Both men's and women's programs are provided equitable resources and emphasis. Exceptional teams and individuals are awarded the opportunity to represent CLU through postseason play.

Participants, spectators, and members of the California Lutheran University are expected to always treat opponents, officials, spectators, and visitors with the utmost courtesy, hospitality, and good sportsmanship.

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

It appears allowing them to play would also make a sham and mockery of their Athletics Mission Statement.   :(    :-[



Title: Quantum Hoops
Post by: Gray Fox on October 04, 2007, 08:03:28 PM
This is just a quick heads-up to let you know that
Quantum Hoops will be playing for at least one week at
the Laemmle "One Colorado" theater in Pasadena
starting on November 2-8.

There will be another reminder email as the date draws
near but if you could pass this info on to anybody who
might be interested we would greatly appreciate it.

Thank you for your continued support!



www.quantumhoops.com

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 05, 2007, 02:04:14 PM
Not that I've mentioned it to anyone before. But the all-time series stands at Beloit 1, Occidental 0.  ;)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on October 09, 2007, 12:48:30 PM
I as well, have only heard bits and pieces about the Cal Lu situation, here's what I can add:

Pedden left school, Meier and Hagen are still in school.  I am not sure if they have been cleared to participate in Varsity Basketball this season.

Their legal situations have been fully resolved.

In order to stay in school they were required to take a number of steps to atone for their actions, include a series of public and private apologies.

I am not sure what I think about the whole thing - but I sure hope that this turns into a positive "tipping point" for the young men involved.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DIIIghetto on October 09, 2007, 06:35:55 PM
Hoov, if you have the scoop accurately, that is an embarrassment to Cal Lu and our entire conference.   It also does a huge disservice to those young men.  Break the law, get preferential treatment at our 'athlete friendly' school.  Atone for your crime through athletics.   

This is a sad day for Cal Lu, forever to be known as Ca LuPenal or California Penal Lutheran. 

Maybe the SCIAC needs to rethink Cal Lu's conference participation ("fundamental principle of the conference being to encourage the highest ideals of amateur sports in an environment of high academic standards").   Not sure how upperclassmen breaking into the cars of fellow students fits into that principle. 



Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on October 09, 2007, 08:42:30 PM
Quote from: DIIIghetto on October 09, 2007, 06:35:55 PM
Hoov, if you have the scoop accurately, that is an embarrassment to Cal Lu and our entire conference.   It also does a huge disservice to those young men.  Break the law, get preferential treatment at our 'athlete friendly' school.  Atone for your crime through athletics.   

Ghetto-
I am also outraged by the acts that were committed.  However, I don't know enough about the specifics to say whether it's a huge embarrassment, and I don't think there's anything in my post that indicates that this is a case of atonement through athletics.  Or, for that matter, that these two are receiving preferential treatment because they are athletes.  My understanding is that the two who stayed in school went through a number of very demanding steps in order to keep their student status.  If I'm not mistaken those steps included a public forum in which they had to basically face the entire campus community and answer their questions and concerns.  It sounds to me like the powers that be at CLU weighed all of the facts and decided that this was the most appropriate way to handle the situation.  So in that regard I agree with Bob.

I will also say that Coach Rider has a long and established record of representing CLU with class, and therefore I'll give him the benefit of the doubt if he decides to allow Meier and Hagen to return to the team.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 10, 2007, 10:45:23 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on October 10, 2007, 10:03:54 PM
Oxy's 2007-2008 schedule is up...

http://www.oxy.edu/x12385.xml

The Tigers get the season started on Nov. 4 with an exhibition game against D-I University of San Diego of the West Coast Conference. Non-conference D-III foes include SUNYAC tournament champ Plattsburgh State, University of Southern Maine, Mt. St. Mary's College, St. Scholastica, and Illinois Wesleyan (which will guarantee a post or two from Mr. Ypsi).

The top four teams from the regular season SCIAC standings will participate in the conference tournament on Feb. 29 - Mar. 1.

OxyBob

Wouldn't want to forget and disappoint you later! ;D

Hmmm ... SoCal in late December - VERY tempting!  Unfortunately, that's the only part of the bball season where I'm guaranteed to be near Bloomington every year (and they're always somewhere warm! :'()
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on October 11, 2007, 12:20:24 PM
CLU's schedule (http://www.clusports.com/mens_basketball/schedule/) is up as well.

It's nice to see teams like Stevens Point on the schedule.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on October 12, 2007, 04:30:45 PM
Thanks for the schedules Scandii and Bob:

By the way, when did the SCIAC decide to make an end of the regular season SCIAC tourney????? IMHO, i still have mix emotions about the idea of putting one on because 1) the conference champ might have to play a 1st round playoff game immediately after this tourney, 2) the champ might not have fresh legs and 3) what if an injury to a key player on the conference champ team gets hurt during this tourney.(Bob, care to share any insight on this?) Hopefully these mix emotions can be cleared up.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on October 13, 2007, 04:40:38 PM
BrownEagle:

Are your emotions mixed or did they formerly belong to Tom Mix?

Here's a hint . . . you can make more old jokes with the Tom Mix reference.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AndOne on October 14, 2007, 04:07:39 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on October 10, 2007, 10:03:54 PM
Oxy's 2007-2008 schedule is up...

http://www.oxy.edu/x12385.xml

The Tigers get the season started on Nov. 4 with an exhibition game against D-I University of San Diego of the West Coast Conference. Non-conference D-III foes include SUNYAC tournament champ Plattsburgh State, University of Southern Maine, Mt. St. Mary's College, St. Scholastica, and Illinois Wesleyan (which will guarantee a post or two from Mr. Ypsi).

The top four teams from the regular season SCIAC standings will participate in the conference tournament on Feb. 29 - Mar. 1.

OxyBob

Apparently, the Oxy schedule makers failed Calendar Reading 101 as their published schedule shows games in the Chapman--Oxy Classic on SAT 12/18, & SUN 12/19/07. Unfortunately, it appears that the 18th and 19th of December this year fall on a Tuesday & Wednesday, rather than a Sat & Sun!   ???    :o    ::)

                  December 2007
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                                                         1
2      3       4       5          6         7         8
9      10     11     12        13       14        15
16     17     18     19        20       21        22
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Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OXY Oswald on October 15, 2007, 06:16:11 PM
Exciting to hear about the SCIAC tournament this year.  I think it's a great idea and it will only add to the excitement as we approach March Madness!

The playoff game between CMS and Oxy in 2006 was electric and a tournament that carries not only playoff implications, clear favorites, and obvious rivalries can only improve the buzz before the playoffs and place an exclamation point on conference play.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on October 17, 2007, 01:03:58 PM
Does anyone know how they're going to determine the tourney host?  Seems like it would have to be the regular season #1, right?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on October 17, 2007, 04:30:43 PM
I have reached a decision and have made my mind up on the issue of the SCIAC putting on an end of the year tourney: I am now 100 % happy that they made this decision, this change (change is always good) and getting the tumbs up to conduct it. Now, all we have to do is wait and see when this SCIAC tourney is allowed to take place on the hardwood floor of the infamous L.A staples center. Now that would be awesome ;)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on October 17, 2007, 04:52:03 PM
As always, thanks for the answer Bob.  ;D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DIIIghetto on October 18, 2007, 04:47:57 PM
Hoov,

Appreciate the insight.  I feel pretty strongly that if athletes get caught committing a crime against other students, the issue of their eligibility should absolutely be on the table, let alone their status as students. 

Cal Lu was the LAST SCIAC institution that I would expect to punish student-athletes committing stupid crimes by leaving their eligibility intact.  That seems to me to be the kind of treatment we read about all the time in the big D1 institutions with different ideals and values. 


   
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AndOne on October 18, 2007, 05:11:23 PM
Quote from: AndOne on October 02, 2007, 01:41:06 AM
Quote from: DIIIghetto on October 01, 2007, 04:21:19 PM
Rumor that Cal Lu has made the surprising decision to allow their athletes involved with theft allegations last spring to return.  Anyone have an update?

I say surprising because student-athletes at D1 campuses get kicked out for similar infractions.  Go to Cal Lu and fund your education by stealing?

It would shock me if a tight-knit community like they have at Cal Lu would do these young men the disservice of showing them that even at the DIII level they can bank on their athletic talents being prioritized over their character development.

I say this with the disclaimer that I don't know anything other than the rumor and look forward to someone informing me of the facts and setting me straight.



CLU Athletics Mission Statement

California Lutheran University is a private, residential, liberal arts institution and is a member of the NCAA Division III and the SCIAC conference. As such, the integration of the academic and the athletic experience is regarded with utmost importance. The primary goal of CLU student-athletes is high academic achievement and graduation in a timely fashion. CLU Intercollegiate Athletics supports the mission of the University, which is to "...educate leaders for a global society who are strong in character and judgement, confident in their identity and vocation, and committed to service and justice."

Participants in athletics have no unique privileges as it relates to academics, financial aid, or living arrangements. Our students participate as amateurs, engaging in sport for its education, physical, mental, and social benefits. CLU holds the health and welfare of its student-athletes regarding all facets of college life as an important aspect in their college experience. For them, participation in sport is an avocation.

CLU supports student-athletes in their efforts to reach high levels of performance by providing outstanding training, coaching, and appropriate competitive opportunities within our region. Both men's and women's programs are provided equitable resources and emphasis. Exceptional teams and individuals are awarded the opportunity to represent CLU through postseason play.

Participants, spectators, and members of the California Lutheran University are expected to always treat opponents, officials, spectators, and visitors with the utmost courtesy, hospitality, and good sportsmanship.

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

It appears allowing them to play would also make a sham and mockery of their Athletics Mission Statement.   :(    :-[


As I said before.......................
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on October 18, 2007, 09:18:04 PM
Quote from: scandihoovian on October 09, 2007, 08:42:30 PM
Quote from: DIIIghetto on October 09, 2007, 06:35:55 PM
Hoov, if you have the scoop accurately, that is an embarrassment to Cal Lu and our entire conference.   It also does a huge disservice to those young men.  Break the law, get preferential treatment at our 'athlete friendly' school.  Atone for your crime through athletics.   

Ghetto-
I am also outraged by the acts that were committed.  However, I don't know enough about the specifics to say whether it's a huge embarrassment, and I don't think there's anything in my post that indicates that this is a case of atonement through athletics.  Or, for that matter, that these two are receiving preferential treatment because they are athletes.  My understanding is that the two who stayed in school went through a number of very demanding steps in order to keep their student status.  If I'm not mistaken those steps included a public forum in which they had to basically face the entire campus community and answer their questions and concerns.  It sounds to me like the powers that be at CLU weighed all of the facts and decided that this was the most appropriate way to handle the situation.  So in that regard I agree with Bob.

I will also say that Coach Rider has a long and established record of representing CLU with class, and therefore I'll give him the benefit of the doubt if he decides to allow Meier and Hagen to return to the team.

It seems that nobody who is posting on this issue, myself included, knows what really has and has not gone on at CLU, and I agree with Scandihoovian in that there's no reason to rush to judgment on this issue.  As Bob said earlier, if CLU is satisfied, who are we to object?

What strikes me about the reactions by AndOne and DIIIGhetto is that they seem to be predicated on the notion that varsity athletics is some kind of privilege in and of itself, making the suspension of this privilege a suitable punishment.  To paraphrase DIIIGhetto, I'd suggest that this presumption reflects "big D1 institution[al] ideals and values."  In Division 1, sports is often treated as an institutional mission in and of itself, and the athletes are often treated as athletes first and students second (or third, or not at all).  In Division 3, presumably we look at intercollegiate athletics as an integral part of the collegiate experience, one that is valuable to the student-athlete in a number of ways.  In fact, I'd say that, compared to the average student-athlete, this group of young men might benefit even more from the discipline and responsibility that comes with playing sports at a D3 school.  To deny them this opportunity out-of-hand seems counterproductive to me.

Presumably they love playing the game, and denying them the opportunity to participate might be a desirable form of punishment.  But I think it's reasonable to assume that CLU has come up with other punishments for these young men, and hopefully they were punishments that will help them grow and learn from their mistakes, rather than sanctions--like "no sports"--that actually may work against their rehabilitation.

I recommend that everyone take a few moments to follow this link (http://www.allegheny.edu/athletics/FromTheADDesk.php) and read the thoughts of Allegheny College AD and former Olympic champion Betsy Mitchell on the value of sports in the D3 educational framework.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on October 18, 2007, 11:29:17 PM
Ghetto-
Again, I cannot accurately express the utter disappointment I felt when I learned about the extracurricular activities of Hagen, Meier and Pedden.  I take great pride in my lifetime association with CLU, and this has been a tough one to swallow.

AndOne-
I'll respectfully submit that you might want to revisit the portions of the mission statement you bolded, as I fear you may be misinterpreting or misapplying them in this particular case.  We can jump to the conclusion that they are receiving preferential treatment as athletes, but I have not heard any hard evidence proving that is the case.  I feel, therefore, that it's a huge mistake to jump to any such conclusions at this time.

Secondly, I find your implication that this comes down to $$$$$$$ curious given the fact that CLU generates zero revenue from sports.  The university had far more to lose, in my opinion, if they kept the players on campus and risked making their fellow students feeling uncomfortable or unsafe around them.  That's what makes me believe that whatever the process was, it was thorough and acceptable to all constituent groups in the campus community.

David-
I think you are dead on as it relates to this situation being a great opportunity to evaluate the way we envision the role of athletics, especially as it relates to character development, in the educational process.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 18, 2007, 11:56:55 PM
I'm just an outsider with no knowledge of the Cal Lu situation except what I have read here.  But I am a bit mystified by the views of DIIIghetto and AndOne.  I assume that Lutherans believe in redemption, and we all (supposedly) believe in rehabilitation - if the perpetrators have met their legal obligations, made both public and private apologies to the victims and communities, and have satisfied the (presumably fairly strict and wary) requirements of the Cal Lu administration and coaches, why, exactly, should they not be given another chance?  This is not special treatment for athletes; it is what I would hope would be the case for ANY student.

From an outsider's perspective it doesn't seem like THEY are being treated in a d1 fashion, it seems that YOUR views are more a d1 fan's views (for a rival, of course).
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AndOne on October 19, 2007, 12:33:06 AM
Quote from: David Collinge on October 18, 2007, 09:18:04 PM
Quote from: scandihoovian on October 09, 2007, 08:42:30 PM
Quote from: DIIIghetto on October 09, 2007, 06:35:55 PM
Hoov, if you have the scoop accurately, that is an embarrassment to Cal Lu and our entire conference.   It also does a huge disservice to those young men.  Break the law, get preferential treatment at our 'athlete friendly' school.  Atone for your crime through athletics.   

Ghetto-
I am also outraged by the acts that were committed.  However, I don't know enough about the specifics to say whether it's a huge embarrassment, and I don't think there's anything in my post that indicates that this is a case of atonement through athletics.  Or, for that matter, that these two are receiving preferential treatment because they are athletes.  My understanding is that the two who stayed in school went through a number of very demanding steps in order to keep their student status.  If I'm not mistaken those steps included a public forum in which they had to basically face the entire campus community and answer their questions and concerns.  It sounds to me like the powers that be at CLU weighed all of the facts and decided that this was the most appropriate way to handle the situation.  So in that regard I agree with Bob.

I will also say that Coach Rider has a long and established record of representing CLU with class, and therefore I'll give him the benefit of the doubt if he decides to allow Meier and Hagen to return to the team.

It seems that nobody who is posting on this issue, myself included, knows what really has and has not gone on at CLU, and I agree with Scandihoovian in that there's no reason to rush to judgment on this issue.  As Bob said earlier, if CLU is satisfied, who are we to object?

What strikes me about the reactions by AndOne and DIIIGhetto is that they seem to be predicated on the notion that varsity athletics is some kind of privilege in and of itself, making the suspension of this privilege a suitable punishment. To paraphrase DIIIGhetto, I'd suggest that this presumption reflects "big D1 institution[al] ideals and values."  In Division 1, sports is often treated as an institutional mission in and of itself, and the athletes are often treated as athletes first and students second (or third, or not at all).  In Division 3, presumably we look at intercollegiate athletics as an integral part of the collegiate experience, one that is valuable to the student-athlete in a number of ways.  In fact, I'd say that, compared to the average student-athlete, this group of young men might benefit even more from the discipline and responsibility that comes with playing sports at a D3 school.  To deny them this opportunity out-of-hand seems counterproductive to me.

Presumably they love playing the game, and denying them the opportunity to participate might be a desirable form of punishment.  But I think it's reasonable to assume that CLU has come up with other punishments for these young men, and hopefully they were punishments that will help them grow and learn from their mistakes, rather than sanctions--like "no sports"--that actually may work against their rehabilitation.

I recommend that everyone take a few moments to follow this link (http://www.allegheny.edu/athletics/FromTheADDesk.php) and read the thoughts of Allegheny College AD and former Olympic champion Betsy Mitchell on the value of sports in the D3 educational framework.

David-----

Just MHO (and I'll be the first to admit I don't have all the answers), but----

Yes, you are correct when you say it appears I think playing varsity athletics is a
privilege! Also, my thinking is not merely punitive, but does incorporate a degree of rehabilitation in that I am not suggesting the offenders be permanently banned from athletic participation. Additionally, I do take issue with the statement "if CLU is satisfied, who are we to object"? Think about that. What CLU thinks is not the focal point here. What that statement neglects to consider is WHAT DO THE VICTIMS OF THE THEFTS THINK? Do their thoughts/feelings take a backseat to how the institution of CLU feels?

Hows this for an equitable solution and punishment?

1. The offenders make restitution to the actual victims.
2. The offenders comply with whatever form(s) of atonement CLU requires internally. (Sounds like this may have already been done).
3. For each car broken into/theft, the player is suspended for one game

This repays the victims, satisfies the school, and serves as a deterent to any such future behavior.

Not trying to be judge and jury here. Its just an opinion which I (naturally) believe
is well thought out and equitable on all fronts. Agree or disagree with me. It matters not. The main point here is its just an opinion, and isn't that what these boards are here for in the first place. So, thank you for your consideration, and for your opinion as well. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AndOne on October 19, 2007, 12:50:20 AM
Quote from: scandihoovian on October 18, 2007, 11:29:17 PM
AndOne-
I'll respectfully submit that you might want to revisit the portions of the mission statement you bolded, as I fear you may be misinterpreting or misapplying them in this particular case.  We can jump to the conclusion that they are receiving preferential treatment as athletes, but I have not heard any hard evidence proving that is the case.  I feel, therefore, that it's a huge mistake to jump to any such conclusions at this time.

Secondly, I find your implication that this comes down to $$$$$$$ curious given the fact that CLU generates zero revenue from sports.  The university had far more to lose, in my opinion, if they kept the players on campus and risked making their fellow students feeling uncomfortable or unsafe around them.  That's what makes me believe that whatever the process was, it was thorough and acceptable to all constituent groups in the campus community.

David-
I think you are dead on as it relates to this situation being a great opportunity to evaluate the way we envision the role of athletics, especially as it relates to character development, in the educational process.

Scand----

1. Lets say the concerned individuals are NOT being given preferential treatment because they are athletes. However, what about the part of the Mission Statement that indicates that "Exceptional_ _individuals are given the opportunity to represent CLU_ _ _."  Athletes or not, I don't think you can say their actions were "exceptional." At least not in the desired sense of the word.

2. My use of the $$$$$$ signs was used solely to delineate the end of the Mission Statement from my comment. It was not intended to suggest that financial considerations were behind any of the decisions. In that sense, I can understand where you thought I was referring to the punishment being financially based, and accordingly it would have been better if I had hit the * key of the - key.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 19, 2007, 01:06:42 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on October 18, 2007, 11:56:55 PM
I'm just an outsider with no knowledge of the Cal Lu situation except what I have read here.  But I am a bit mystified by the views of DIIIghetto and AndOne.  I assume that Lutherans believe in redemption

Indeed.

"If you are a preacher of mercy, do not preach an imaginary but the true mercy. If the mercy is true, you must therefore bear the true, not an imaginary sin. God does not save those who are only imaginary sinners. Be a sinner, and let your sins be strong (sin boldly), but let your trust in Christ be stronger, and rejoice in Christ who is the victor over sin, death, and the world. We will commit sins while we are here, for this life is not a place where justice resides. We, however, says Peter (2 Peter 3:13) are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth where justice will reign."
                    -- Martin Luther
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on October 19, 2007, 10:45:46 AM
AndOne-

Thanks for your reply.  While I don't know all the details, I can assure you that conditions 1 and 2 of your suggested punishments have been met. I can't say about #3.
I did look at the "Exceptional..." statement and I read it as stating that teams and individuals that perform well on the field will be supported and afforded the opportunity for postseason play. 

Sager-
+k for an impressive quote from Brother Martin ;D

You'll get a kick out of this online store (http://www.oldlutheran.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Category_Code=SB).
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DIIIghetto on October 19, 2007, 12:27:11 PM
I admit to ignorance in this case and am really only talking about it philosophically.   I have no idea what, if any, mitigating circumstances there might be or who was responsible for what.   Thanks to those who have given more insight into this unfortunate situation.

Whatever happens to those young men I hope they learn a valuable life lesson in all of this and are able to rebound from it better people.  Everyone deserves a second chance.  If it isn't at CLU, hopefully they don't have to give up their dreams on the hardwood and someone else will give them a chance. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tom Brady on October 20, 2007, 01:14:57 AM
Just wondering if anyone has noticed that none of the 3 are on the roster that is posted on the CLU web-page......

http://www.clusports.com/mens_basketball/roster/

This might lay this whole topic to rest....
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on October 21, 2007, 01:30:48 PM
What's the possibility of Cal Who keeping the kids names off the roster until the season starts and when all of this controversy has melted down???????

Btw, don't forget to catch Quantum Hoops, staring the one and only 06-07 beavs. Special guest appearances by the SCIAC teams and of course Scandii, O-bob, the tooth and others who can be seen going wild and cheering for the beaves opposing teams.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 22, 2007, 02:48:41 AM
Quote from: scandihoovian on October 19, 2007, 10:45:46 AMSager-
+k for an impressive quote from Brother Martin ;D

You'll get a kick out of this online store (http://www.oldlutheran.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Category_Code=SB).

Sweet. I'm gonna have to get one of those "License to Sin Boldly" cards for my wallet, just in case one of the old ladies from my church ever gets wind of the fact that I've been known to keep a six-pack or two of Goose Island Honker's Ale in my fridge. ;)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Titan Q on October 30, 2007, 07:51:08 PM
Illinois Wesleyan plays at Oxy and CMS this year.  I'm wondering if any SCIAC fans can fill me in on what each team returns, etc. this year.

Much appreciated.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Titan Q on October 30, 2007, 10:06:37 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on October 30, 2007, 08:17:10 PM
Quote from: Titan Q on October 30, 2007, 07:51:08 PM
Illinois Wesleyan plays at Oxy and CMS this year.  I'm wondering if any SCIAC fans can fill me in on what each team returns, etc. this year.

Last season Oxy started 4 seniors and a junior. The Tigers graduated their 1, 3, 4 and 5, including center Sam Betty, the SCIAC Player of the Year, power forward Nick Mills, who was 2nd team all-SCIAC, and their floor leader and inspiration to the team Justin Zebb. Oxy returns guard Connor Whitman, who was 1st team all-SCIAC and was ranked 7th in D-III in 3-pt. FG%. Other stand-out players for Oxy are guards Huston Conti and Jordan Schultz, and forwards Henry Meier and Chris Pitcher. I'm not sure what transfers and freshmen head coach Brian Newhall is bringing in.

OxyBob

Thank you, OxyBob.

Regarding CMS, per their site, junior Mani Maceira (19.5 ppg, 5.3 rpg) was a 1st Team All-SCIAC selection in 2007.  I don't see him on the 2007-08 roster though...

http://www.cmsathletics.org/sports/winter/mbkb/2007-08/roster

Anyone know the deal there?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LogShow on November 01, 2007, 12:34:31 AM
Any La Verne posters in here?  The Leopards are heading up the Pacific Northwest to play the Loggers on opening weekend...Nov 17th.  I was hoping to get a little info on them for the upcoming year.  It seemed like they gave the Logs quite a scare last year at their place.

If no La Verne posters, can anyone else give an update?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on November 01, 2007, 12:37:06 AM
Logs:

One thing for sure, The Leo's have a new coach this year. Not too sure how the team will be this year, as they ended their year on a bad note in SCIAC play.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on November 01, 2007, 02:25:41 PM
Just FYI here's some info about ULV and first year Leo H.C .Reed being invited to the the 1st ever legends classic in Nor. Cal

ULV To Meet UC Davis In Legends Classic (09-30-2007)


The University of La Verne has learned that it will take part in this year's inaugural Legends Classic tournament and will meet Division I member UC Davis on the road on November 11.

La Verne is one of just two Division III schools in the Legends Classic along with UC Santa Cruz.

"We are excited for the opportunity to participate in such a prestigious event," said first-year Leopard head coach Rich Reed. "Our program is committed to playing top-notch talent and we look forward to the challenge."

UC Davis is coached by ULV alum and former Leopard coach Gary Stewart. Stewart graduated from La Verne in 1984 following a highly distinguished playing career. He remains the only ULV men's basketball coach in school history to lead his team to a conference title or a berth in the NCAA Division III Championships.

"UC Davis is a well-run program," added Reed. "We have tremendous respect for Coach Stewart, his program and for all that he's accomplished."

The contest is officially an exhibition game for the Leopards while it serves as a regular-season outing for the Aggies. ULV officially begins its regular season at the Puget Sound Tip-Off Classic November 16-17 in Tacoma, WA. The Leopards face Warner Pacific in the tournament opener on November 16 before facing Puget Sound the following day on November 17.

Title: Quantum Hoops
Post by: Gray Fox on November 02, 2007, 02:54:42 PM

To everyone on the Quantum Hoops email list:

The moment has arrived.  Quantum Hoops will be
premiering today at the Laemmle One Colorado Theater
in Pasadena and running for at least one week.

I'm also excited to announce that our new narrator is
none other than David Duchovny of "X-Files" fame. 

We have had some great articles and reviews this week
and you may have heard the coach or I on the radio a
few times as well.  I'm hoping for as big a turn-out
as possible, so please feel free to forward this info
to anybody you think would be interested - especially
to the other members of SCIAC who may not know.

Show times are daily: 1:10 3:15 5:20 7:40 9:55

Theater link- 
http://www.laemmle.com/viewtheatre.php?date=11022007&thid=9&Submit=Go%21

THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT!

Rick
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Howlinwolf on November 03, 2007, 02:07:03 AM
FYI - Oxy opens with an exhibition tilt against DI USD in San Diego Sunday afternoon. In addition to OB's roster synopsis, look for contributions this campaign from Gyan Alexander, returning guard who sat out last year due to injury, and Chris Hunt, who has worked his way up the roster in this, his senior year. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Howlinwolf on November 04, 2007, 06:57:57 PM
Oxy held its own in today's exhibition affair against DI U of San Diego, falling 71-62 at USD. Connor Whitman scorched the nets for 24 points. Oxy was done by four at the half.   
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on November 05, 2007, 11:44:00 AM
OB,

The slim margin of victory (or loss) could be because the game was played at the Jenny Craig Pavilion.  ;D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cawcdad on November 05, 2007, 10:09:55 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on November 05, 2007, 11:44:00 AM
OB,

The slim margin of victory (or loss) could be because the game was played at the Jenny Craig Pavilion.  ;D
In WCC circles aka The Slim Gym. ;D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: West Coast Bias on November 06, 2007, 03:20:41 PM
Good work by Oxy vs. USD.  I think most people (other than Oxy Bob) thought that this may be a rebuilding year for the Tigers after losing 4 senior starters.  But maybe Coach Newhall deosn't rebuild, he just reloads. 

We are now less than 2 weeks away from the season opener.  A few teams have had scrimmages, exhibitions, and games against Afghan National teams.  So lets get serious.  What are the preseason predictions?  Order of finish?  1st team all conference?  POY?  COY?  So many questions, I am interested to hear everyone's thoughts.

Initially CLU was my preseason favorite.  But with no Miller, and no Meier, they dont have anyone over 6'4 on their roster.  So here are my picks.

1. CMS
2. Whittier
3. Oxy
4. PP
5. CLU
6. LaVerne
7. Redlands
8 Cal Tech

Player of the year : Dan Winterbottom - CMS
Coach of they year: Rock Carter - Whittier

1st Team All SCIAC:

Phil Kastle - CMS
Jeff McLean - Whittier
Jabarri Reynolds - PP
Connor Whitman - Oxy
Deshon Innis - CLU

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on November 06, 2007, 03:24:39 PM
Bias,
Welcome aboard.  We will look forward to your input.
Title: Quantum Hoops Information
Post by: Gray Fox on November 06, 2007, 04:19:46 PM
http://www.thesciac.org/general_news/2007-08/quantum_hoops
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: NWCer on November 08, 2007, 01:22:55 PM
Good Day to you SCIAC faithful, dead over on the NWC board, saw Grinnell on the front page and then went to their site to peak around and noticed that Redlands old coach is on their staff...........  Is that news to anyone, or was that known?

Volunteeer Assistant Coach Gary Smith
Alt Text 2007-Present

Smith begins his first year as an assistant coach at Grinnell. Smith graduated from University of Redlands (Calif.) 1964, where he led the nation in free throw shooting while earning honorable mention All-America recognition in NAIA. He was also a three-time all-conference and all-district performer.

Smith began his college coaching career at the University of Redlands in the 1971-1972 season and was there 37 years. In 2006-2007, Smith was named D-III Hoops West Region Coach of the Year and received the NABC Guardians of the Game Award. Smith's teams led the nation in scoring five times, including a 132.4 per game average in 2004-2005. Smith and his wife, Carol, have two daughters, Karen of Davis, Calif., and Christina of Athens, Ga. They also have a grandson, Karen's son, Max.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on November 08, 2007, 02:17:02 PM
NWCer,

Nobody has posted that.  Thanks for the information.

He must like his job a lot to live to Grinnell in the winter. :)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 08, 2007, 02:41:22 PM
There was some joking on the MWC board about the effect of combining Redlands and Grinnell coaches.  The debate had to do with whether that would double the scoring (to 200+ per game) or whether the effect was actually exponential (thus 10,000+ per game)! ;D

There was also the minority view that the effects may cancel one another, and Grinnell would now become Princeton. ;)
Title: Quantum Hoops Extended
Post by: Gray Fox on November 09, 2007, 03:11:16 PM

After a successful week in Pasadena, Quantum Hoops was
just extended until next week Thursday!  Thanks to all
of those who have come out to support the film!

I don't expect the turnout we had last weekend, but
every person in a seat helps.

Daily showtimes are:  1:10, 3:15, 5:20, 7:40, 9:55
until November 15. Student tickets are only $4.

Theater website:
http://laemmle.com/viewtheatre.php?thid=9
(validated parking is located on the Northeast corner
of Fair Oaks and Colorado)

The reviews are in:
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/search/full_search.php?search=quantum+hoops
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SnowLeopard on November 12, 2007, 02:10:56 AM
La Verne lost to UC Davis in an exhibition game today..

The score was 33-32 with 2 minutes left in the first half.
Then the aggies got down to business... and evetually won 97-55

Im exited to see Coach Reed lead the Leos into Tacoma this weekend and hopefully come away with a few wins!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on November 13, 2007, 02:21:03 PM
Congratulations to Oxy on their win against the Afghani N.T..
I had the opportunity to briefly see the game after working out in the Gym and am happy to report that this years team is going to be mighty special.
Look for Oxy 6-10 forward (hahha) to be a good addition to the team.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on November 14, 2007, 06:04:05 PM
From the Oxy Website:

Tigers Give Crowd a Taste of What is to Come in Exhibition

Los Angeles, Calif. (November 12, 2007)




Opening night at Rush Gymnasium was just an exhibition but Tiger fans filled the bleachers and got a good showing from the men's basketball team.

Occidental jumped out to a 36-23 half time lead en route to a 75-51 victory over the visiting Afghanistan National Team.

On the first of this month the Afghanistan National Team played on U.S. soil for the first time when they took the court against Westmont College in Santa Barbara, Calif. Since then the team has travelled throughout California taking on six other college teams.

The Tigers shot 46% from the field and had three double digit scorers. Senior guard Connor Whitman led the way with a game high 21 points. He was 7-for-16 shooting, including four from three point range. Whitman was solid at the line, going 3-for-4. Joining Whitman was junior Huston Conti and sophomore transfer Sean Anderson with 11 and 10 points, respectively. Whitman and Conti finished with three steals apiece as well.

Anderson made his presence felt as he pulled down a team high eight rebounds, including two offensive boards. Senior Chris Pitcher contributed with six rebounds, while adding six points (2-2 from the line). Oxy outrebounded the Afghan team 41-32.

Jordan Schultz added nine points and senior Chris Hunt and freshman Doug Jordan each finished with seven. Anderson, Pitcher and Clark Gordon each had a block in the game for the Tigers.

Gemayal McBride and Anderson each had three assists while Whitman, Pitcher, Conti and Gordon were credited with two assists apiece.

For the Afghan team, Nafi Mashriqi tallied 12 points and a game high nine rebounds. Yousof Etemadi had 11 points. The team was 19-30 from the line and shot 29.1% from the field overall.

Basketball was brought to Afghanistan by Americans in the 1960s and the first national team was formed during that decade. Though the team did not make a trip to the United States in the 1960s or 70s, it did play several American teams that traveled to

Afghanistan including a team sponsored by the Goodyear Tire and Rubber Company.
The 1979 Soviet invasion of Afghanistan and subsequent rule by the Taliban brought an end to the national team. In 2006, the team was reformed under the direction of the Afghan National Olympic Committee. Players were selected by then coach Zabi Subat and team manager Esmael Hussieni from a pool of Afghan-Americans, all of whom lived in the United States.

Last year, Coach Subat led the team in its return to international competition when it competed in the Asian Games in Doha, Qatar. The Afghan team celebrated its return to the world stage with a 66-57 victory over Hong Kong before losing a subsequent game to Syria 84-66.

The Afghan team is now coached by Mohammad "Mamo" Rafiq who has served as an assistant women's basketball coach at Idaho State. The team played its seventh game of their trip tonight after meeting Claremont-Mudd-Scripps, California Lutheran University, Holy Names College, Humboldt State and CSU East Bay.

Before the start of Monday night's game, the two teams exchanged handshakes, gifts and took a group photo as an expression of friendship.

Occidental will open their regular season schedule Friday, Nov. 16 on the road against West Coast Baptist with tipoff scheduled for 7:30 p.m. The Afghans will travel to Orange, Calif. where they will conclude their international schedule against Chapman University.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on November 17, 2007, 11:59:51 AM
Team overview from the Oxy website.  Go Tigers!

Tigers Take the Court for New Season

Los Angeles, Calif. (November 16, 2007)

Occidental men's basketball is coming off a 2006-07 season in which they finished 19-6 overall and won the Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference Championship with a 12-2 record. The Tigers will field a team of seven seniors, a pair of juniors, three sophomores and a freshman for the 2007-08 campaign.

Oxy welcomes back All-SCIAC senior guard Connor Whitman and six fellow seniors, including point guard Gemayal McBride and five forwards in Chris Hunt, John Impelman, Henry Meier, Chris Pitcher and Joe Sasich.

The backcourt combo of Whitman and McBride possesses a plethora of talent.

Whitman played an average of 31.5 minutes per game a year ago. In 2006-07 he scored 16.6 points per game after shooting 46.8% from the field, 48.9% from three-point range and 79.1% from the line (34-43). Whitman tallied a team high in both assists and steals with 65 and 20, respectively, while adding eight blocks and 3.4 rebounds per game.

McBride finished his junior season with 52 assists, 17 steals, 4.2 points per game, 2.6 rebounds per game and a 63.8 field-goal percentage.

When asked about the impact that the senior duo will have on this team, Coach Brian Newhall said: "Whitman has worked hard to become a complete player. McBride is the team's defensive stopper and top ball handler." He went on: "Connor has developed into one of the top guards on the West Coast, while Gemayal can dominate a game without scoring a point."

New additions who will make immediate impacts on the Oxy hoops program are 6-foot-10 sophomore transfer from UC Riverside, Sean Anderson, and 6-foot-5 freshman Doug Jordan.

Anderson will make his presence felt as the Tigers' center. "Sean gives us an interior defensive presence and is an excellent passer from the high post," Newhall said. "His low post game continues to improve every day."

Jordan had an impressive pre-season and will aid in the offensive attack while pulling down rebounds as well.

Huston Conti will take over the small forward position after 17.1 minutes played per game, scoring 6.2 points per game with 2.5 rebounds per game and 12 steals a year ago. The 6-foot-2 junior is much improved. Newhall expressed his expectations for Huston, saying, "He has the potential to be a consistent double-figure scorer for Oxy over the next two seasons."

Jordan Schultz saw action in all 23 games in 2006-07. He was a threat from three-point range (42.1%), while dishing out 17 assists last season. Newhall defined the junior guard as "a tremendous three-point shooter who is extremely effective against zone defenses." He will see increased playing time this season.

Pitcher played 11.6 minutes per game and accounted for six blocks and a 56.3 field-goal percentage. The 6-foot-6 senior will step into the power forward spot after adding 15 pounds of muscle to his frame. "He is the most improved player in the Oxy program and is focused on leading the SCIAC in rebounding," Newhall said.

Also stepping on the court in 2007-08 will be 6-foot-8 sophomore Clark Gordon, who spent last season improving his skills on the JV team. Gordon will add rebounding prowess in the coming year.

Rejoining the Tigers is Gyan Alexander, a 6-foot-1 sophomore guard, who sat out last season with a broken foot. He looks to regain his form as one of the top defenders in the SCIAC.

After battling knee injuries in the last two seasons, two 6-foot-6 forwards, Sasich and Hunt, are healthy and ready to go for their senior campaign. Sasich averaged 12 points per game and 6 rebounds per game in 2005, while Hunt is an active rebounder and explosive perimeter shooter.

A deep, talented bench will help the Tigers prepare for the first annual SCIAC Post-Season Tournament. The senior leadership stems from Meier and Impelman. The pair of forwards add depth on the front line. In limited action, Impelman was perfect from the field (5-5), while Meier grabbed 14 rebounds last season.

Absorbing the loss of four starters (much of the offensive production) to graduation is never easy. However, the seven Oxy seniors are determined to defend their 2007 SCIAC title and return to the NCAA Tournament for the fourth time in six years, continuing the Oxy winning tradition.

The Tigers finished last season ranked No. 26 in the nation. Newhall enters his 20th season and is cautiously optimistic.

Pre-season is history--now it is on to the show. Oxy played three intra-squad scrimmages and three exhibition games in preparation for the upcoming season. Monday night Oxy wrapped things up with a 75-51 victory over the Afghanistan National Team in Rush Gymnasium. On Nov. 4, Occidental lost a close 71-62 game to Division I University of San Diego. The team also played well against Glendale College. Whitman led the charge, posting 29, 24 and 21 points in the three pre-season games.

With their leadership on and off the court, the Tigers will be exciting to watch in 2007-08. The season tips off at 7:30 p.m. tonight, Nov. 16,  at West Coast Baptist.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LogShow on November 17, 2007, 05:03:38 PM
La Verne has the Loggers tonight.  Should be an interesting matchup.  Talked to some people that watched the Leos play yesterday...said they play pretty hard.  We'll see how it all plays out tonight
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on November 17, 2007, 05:07:43 PM
Sounds like Coach Reed has his young Leo team playing physical B-ball this year. Which is good. However, i think your Loggers will take this game away from the Leo's tonight L.S. by a long shot.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SnowLeopard on November 17, 2007, 08:04:06 PM
Quote from: Browneagle64 on November 17, 2007, 05:07:43 PM
Sounds like Coach Reed has his young Leo team playing physical B-ball this year. Which is good. However, i think your Loggers will take this game away from the Leo's tonight L.S. by a long shot.
Quote from: OxyBob on November 17, 2007, 05:16:02 PM
Quote from: Browneagle64 on November 17, 2007, 05:07:43 PM
i think your Loggers will take this game away from the Leo's tonight L.S. by a long shot.

UPS is one of the top three NWC teams. La Verne is going to get worked.

OxyBob

Cool. Thanks for the SCIAC love!  :D

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on November 18, 2007, 01:06:15 AM
Just got back from APU. Unfortunately the men in orange and black had costly turnovers and a lot of fouls through out the game. Both oxy and 8th ranked (N.A.I.A) APU battled well in the first 30 mins, but eventually, mental mistakes got in the way for the tigers. Even though the score was 79 to 57, i still feel that the tigers will learn from their mistakes,improve and be solid once SCIAC games start.

btw, APU has a real nice Gym.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cawcdad on November 18, 2007, 10:34:35 AM
Bob,
The games of the 23rd and 24th are all at Cal Tech. I will be there shooting the games on the 23rd.
Whitman v. Cal Lu at noon
Whitworth v. Chapman at 2
UC Santa Cruz v. Cal Tech at 4

Any posters going to be there?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on November 18, 2007, 10:51:41 AM
Please note the following women's score from Friday:

CALTECH 68, Pacific Union 37

We will not be discussing the Saturday result, and it will not be on the exam.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on November 18, 2007, 11:43:31 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on November 18, 2007, 10:30:11 AM
Saturday's results:
Chapman 64, Redlands 55
OB,
You forgot the second half.
Oh, I just remembered - This is not 2006. :P

GF
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LogShow on November 18, 2007, 02:45:24 PM
Well OxyBob you were right.  LaVerne did not put up much resistance.  They did work hard, but they have a long way go.  They lack a scorer and a true PG.  Nobody on their team stood out much.  It will be interesting to keep tabs on the SCIAC this year to see how it all shapes up!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cawcdad on November 18, 2007, 03:16:26 PM
Bob, what's Chapman hoops like? Whitworth plays them on the 23rd at Cal Tech.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LogShow on November 18, 2007, 04:02:13 PM
QuoteToo bad Whitworth couldn't have figured out how to arrange a game with Oxy, CMS or Pomona in SoCal instead of Caltech.

not sure if it was that WW couldn't figure out a way...last year they played UC Santa Cruz twice and the Cal Tech the year before that.  Seems like they just like to "build confidence" each winter before conference play starts
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on November 18, 2007, 04:44:09 PM
Quote from: cawcdad on November 18, 2007, 10:34:35 AM
Bob,
The games of the 23rd and 24th are all at Cal Tech. I will be there shooting the games on the 23rd.
Whitman v. Cal Lu at noon
Whitworth v. Chapman at 2
UC Santa Cruz v. Cal Tech at 4

Any posters going to be there?
I hope you will be there for the Cal Tech game.  You have a possibility to see a rare Beaver victory.

The Slugs have a nice center in Brennan.  I saw him play three games last year in Dallas.

http://www.goslugs.com/teams/basketball/men/profiles/neil_brennan.html

His favorite class is California and Californians. Hmmmmmm...  That sounds like an advanced graduate school class to me. ???
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cawcdad on November 18, 2007, 07:52:40 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on November 18, 2007, 04:44:09 PM
I hope you will be there for the Cal Tech game.  You have a possibility to see a rare Beaver victory.

The Slugs have a nice center in Brennan.  I saw him play three games last year in Dallas.

http://www.goslugs.com/teams/basketball/men/profiles/neil_brennan.html

His favorite class is California and Californians. Hmmmmmm...  That sounds like an advanced graduate school class to me. ???
I plan on being there and photographing all 3 games. Look for them when they get posted.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pineconefan on November 19, 2007, 02:12:15 PM
Yes, it is frustrating as a Whitworth fan to see that Pirate basketball has adopted the Oxy football model for scheduling... ;)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pineconefan on November 19, 2007, 05:01:19 PM
Actually, for sheer rediculousness, I like the Llama Farm sponsor better!  ;D

But you are right, there are a handful of DIII schools on the west coast with radio voices who are a pleasure to listen to.  Whitworth has been fortunate to have had Mr. Castle for so long.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on November 19, 2007, 05:25:22 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on November 19, 2007, 04:30:56 PM... there's the added delight of the spots for Columbia Hearing Centers. I know that David Collinge loves that one. "Improving your life through better hearing..."

The voices...they're back...make it stop!  MAKE IT STOP!!!!  :o
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: monmcali on November 20, 2007, 07:32:42 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on November 18, 2007, 03:40:53 PM
Quote from: cawcdad on November 18, 2007, 03:16:26 PM
Bob, what's Chapman hoops like? Whitworth plays them on the 23rd at Cal Tech.

Chapman has a good coach, Mike Bokosky. The Panthers are always fundamentally sound if unspectacular to watch. Looking at this season's roster, keep an eye on Chapman's two senior guards, Ramon Mendoza and Miguel Bennett. Whitworth should be able to handle Chapman without too much trouble. It will certainly be a more interesting game than the Pirates' game with Caltech.

If it's still playing in town and if you have time, I strongly recommend that you catch a screening of Quantum Hoops, the documentary about CIT basketball.

OxyBob



Bennett is listed as a guard but he spends most of his time in the paint.  Mendoza is currently coming off the bench and seemingly still trying to figure out his role on this years team.  CU's strength is inside with bennett, kaiser and freshman riley.  The perimeter is very young and as of right now the definite weak spot on the team.  Wood can be very good, but ramme, aguilar and vreeburg (first off the bench) need to figure out what it takes to be successful at the college level.  CU is very far away from having two of the best guards on the west coast.  now if/once the guards figure it out they could be good, but that is a really big if...
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TeeDub on November 20, 2007, 11:06:50 PM
Quote from: monmcali on November 20, 2007, 07:32:42 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on November 18, 2007, 03:40:53 PM
Quote from: cawcdad on November 18, 2007, 03:16:26 PM
Bob, what's Chapman hoops like? Whitworth plays them on the 23rd at Cal Tech.

Chapman has a good coach, Mike Bokosky. The Panthers are always fundamentally sound if unspectacular to watch. Looking at this season's roster, keep an eye on Chapman's two senior guards, Ramon Mendoza and Miguel Bennett. Whitworth should be able to handle Chapman without too much trouble. It will certainly be a more interesting game than the Pirates' game with Caltech.

If it's still playing in town and if you have time, I strongly recommend that you catch a screening of Quantum Hoops, the documentary about CIT basketball.

OxyBob



Bennett is listed as a guard but he spends most of his time in the paint.  Mendoza is currently coming off the bench and seemingly still trying to figure out his role on this years team.  CU's strength is inside with bennett, kaiser and freshman riley.  The perimeter is very young and as of right now the definite weak spot on the team.  Wood can be very good, but ramme, aguilar and vreeburg (first off the bench) need to figure out what it takes to be successful at the college level.  CU is very far away from having two of the best guards on the west coast.  now if/once the guards figure it out they could be good, but that is a really big if...

Hey, my old friend OFS...good to see you back!  What do you say we start off on the right foot.  Redlands isn't running the system any longer, so we don't have to debate that any longer.  In all seriousness, I hope all is well...welcome home.

JR
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SnowLeopard on November 21, 2007, 01:53:40 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on November 21, 2007, 10:25:26 AM
Tuesday night's scores:
 
La Verne: Terry scored 14, Hughes 10
Chapman: Bennett 19 points and 9 rebounds, Aguilar scored 11

OxyBob
:)
There we go... good win for my Leo's... Congrats to Coach Reed on his first victory.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on November 22, 2007, 03:48:17 PM
Haha, great translations PresidentBob. 

Btw, the recent issue of S.I. gave some love to "Quantum Hoops" and exposure to both the beaves/ DIII b-ball. Looks like this little film will indeed finally get national attention. Congratulations.

Happy thanksgiving.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on November 24, 2007, 03:04:12 PM
Quote from: West Coast Bias on November 06, 2007, 03:20:41 PM
So lets get serious.  What are the preseason predictions?  Order of finish?  So many questions, I am interested to hear everyone's thoughts.

Initially CLU was my preseason favorite.  But with no Miller, and no Meier, they dont have anyone over 6'4 on their roster.  So here are my picks.

1. CMS
2. Whittier
3. Oxy
4. PP
5. CLU
6. LaVerne
7. Redlands
8 Cal Tech
I'll bite.  Be aware that the only SCIAC team I have seen in many years was Oxy when they played Mississippi College last year in the playoffs.  So my predictions don't mean much. :'(  Thanks to OxyBob on the CLU information.

1. CLU
2. Oxy
3. Redlands
4. PP
5. CMS
6. Whittier
7. La Verne
8 Cal Tech
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cawcdad on November 24, 2007, 06:23:50 PM
FWIW, I was not overly impressed with CLU on Friday although they were a very athletic group. They beat a very beatable Whitman team. Had them down by 17 at one point in the first half and let them get back into the game and even take the lead briefly before the Kingsmen hit some treys and secured the win. Chapman and Whitworth were the best teams at the tourney, although they both had trouble hitting threes. Both teams played a zone and said go ahead and shoot from outside and neither hit well. Look at the score. Cal Tech was very bad. What bugged me was that UC Santa Cruz kept pressing when they were up by over 20.

What are the other gyms in the SCIAC like? Cal Tech's was like a cave, it was dark in there.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: monmcali on November 25, 2007, 06:47:15 PM
Two good wins for Chapman over the weekend.  The young guys on the team played well and the defense was really solid.  Cal Lu looked pretty good and even as a chapman fan i still dont know how the knightsmen didnt win.  The officiating was terrible in the Chapman/Cal Lu game i hope it was better in the rest of the tourney.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OXY Oswald on November 26, 2007, 07:15:23 PM
Hey Bob, I was wondering if you could offer some insight into the hoops team this year?  After the football hangover (and Redlands getting shalacked by the Johnnies in the first round) I'm switching over to the hoops board and need to get caught up. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cawcdad on November 26, 2007, 09:30:23 PM
There are pictures up of last Friday's games at the Cal Tech Tournament:
Cal Lutheran vs. Whitman (http://www.pictureprints.net/albums.php?gallery=1959)
Chapman vs. Whitworth (http://www.pictureprints.net/albums.php?gallery=1958)
Cal Tech vs. UC Santa Cruz (http://www.pictureprints.net/albums.php?gallery=1960)
I apologize for the poor quality, but the gym was dark and I was fighting the light and my flash all afternoon.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on November 26, 2007, 11:05:44 PM
Thanks for posting the pictures, Cawcdad.  I hope you enjoyed your time down south.

You asked about SCIAC gyms, and it's true that Caltech's is pretty poorly lit. 

I love Redlands old gym - but wish they would have done a better job with the lighting in the remodel (flourescent tubes).

Oxy has a mid-1960's flourescent tube classic.

CMS gym is small (court wedged in between stands and walls) but the lighting's pretty good.

I think LaVerne's is probably better than it used to be after the recent remodel (at least I hope).

Pomona has a nice newer gym in the Rains Center - but I don't recall the lighting being anything spectacular.

Whittier's gym was state of the art for a small school when they built it in the late 1970's - it's lighting, however, now causes numerous scorekeeping difficulties (see OxyBob for details).

And then there's this place:(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.callutheran.edu%2Fgallery%2Fmain.php%3Fg2_view%3Dcore.DownloadItem%26amp%3Bg2_itemId%3D1473&hash=1e28c4a7a9891dffbb68a7b79dcc851ee5369237) :)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cawcdad on November 26, 2007, 11:13:49 PM
Scandihoovian, I did enjoy my time in the southland. Thank you for the information on the SCIAC gyms. That is nice looking facility at CLU. I hope to get there sometime.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on November 27, 2007, 12:42:03 AM
Cool pics Cawcdad. As you might have noticed when you stepped onto C.I.T anyone can quickly notice how nice and beautiful the entire campus looks. However, when you get close to the athletic department, well, you get the picture.
Hope you enjoyed Pasadena and So.Cal by the way.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cawcdad on November 27, 2007, 09:57:42 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on November 27, 2007, 09:35:11 AM
. . .CLU has the newest, nicest facility in the SCIAC, and it might very well be the best place for cawcdad to take pictures, but as a basketball venue it's cold and antiseptic. Except for the two guys who paint their faces purple and use yellow "Peligro! Piso Mojado" cones as megaphones, the Cal Lutheran fans don't generate a lot of energy, probably due to the fact that the Kingsmen are boring to watch, unless you're into teams which slowly walk the ball up the floor and pass it 50 times around the perimeter. . .
OxyBob
+K Bob. Funny stuff.
CLU seemed to want to play a little more uptempo and physical, at least in the game I saw. A kid for Whitman came to the bench and said, "Dude, all they do is push and foul every time down."

And yes browneagle, the C.I.T campus was beautiful.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on November 27, 2007, 11:14:52 AM
Bob sums up the atmosphere around the conference well, but I am a little disappointed he didn't mention how much he enjoyed the Kettle Korn at CLU games last year...

Gilbert is the nicest venue and a great place to watch a game, but I agree with Bob that steps need to be taken to pump up the atmosphere.  If you got 500-600 people out in the old gym (which was a pit, but had its advantages) it was SRO with people ringing the court and very loud. I think attendance for all events in the new building has actually gone up quite a bit over the old gym, but if you draw 800-900 to the new building the place only seems half full.  Combine that with a newer bleacher design that emphasizes legroom and aisle access and the crowd feels even more spread out.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DIIIghetto on November 28, 2007, 12:33:57 PM
Good work by CMS against the non-Cali DIIIs.  Chapman looked to have a good DIII team this year but their loss to LV (which was absolutely destroyed by Puget Sound) won't help them.  Kats looks like he has his work cut out for him in the post-Knowles era.  The Hens losses against the non-Cali DIII teams didn't help our cause at all.   Those losses on top of Oxy's whipping against a tough MC team in the playoffs (yes I know that Oxy's best player was out and yes I know that it is tough to play on the road in that environment and yes I know Oxy got screwed by the Committee - adding further pain to the Oxy disaster was the fact that MC was subsequently blown out by Virg Wes) put us back down into the armpit of DIII. 

Do our coaches understand the significance of these non-conference DIII teams or are we just that bad across the conference?  Someone give me some hope here that we won't be the DIII ghetto forever.   Oxy's performance against USD gave me hope that their kids came back with a chip on their shoulder but then I see their whipping against AP and I don't know. 

On the bright side, it looks like there is so much parity down here in the armpit that we'll at least be able to enjoy lots of competitive games and another dog fight for the crown.   And finally we get the post-season tournament.   That can only better prepare us for our inevitable first round trip to a highly ranked opponent. 





Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SnowLeopard on November 28, 2007, 01:22:05 PM
If you haven't seen it yet, this weeks SI
(KU jayhawks football on the cover, along with the headline "Dream Season") ::)
has a short little article about Quantum Hoops in it.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on November 28, 2007, 03:37:39 PM
D3, Oxy lost to a tough #8 ranked APU team. In fact, it was projected that this APU team will do well through out their season after having exhibition games against UCLA, UC Riverside and other good NAIA teams.
What caused Oxy to slip and eventually fall during this game were mental mistakes and screw-ups. The boys in Orange and Black were leading 38 min. into the game, but then had problems in the turn-over department.

However, coach Newhall and co. should have the guys ready to play good b-ball in the coming weeks.

Btw, Snowlep, i posted that same thing about C.I.T last week. However, glad to see that you brought it up again.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LogShow on November 29, 2007, 12:30:24 AM
Willamette plays LaVerne on the 30th...did Laverne try to schedule every NWC team???
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on November 29, 2007, 07:53:05 PM
Quote from: West Coast Bias on November 06, 2007, 03:20:41 PM
Player of the year : Dan Winterbottom - CMS

He's on his way.

QuoteSCIAC Honors Male Athlete of the Week:  CMS' Dan Winterbottom
November 28, 2007

CMS:  Dan Winterbottom, Senior, Basketball
The senior guard from Tempe, AZ led the Stags to two wins at the David Wells Classic.  He scored nearly half the team's points in a 64-59 win over Macalester College as he exploded for a career-high 31 points on 11-15 shooting.  He shared the scoring lead at 14 in the team's 52-48 home win over St. Olaf College.  In the second game, he hit a three-pointer as the shot clock expired to give the team a four-point lead (which they would not give up) with 90 seconds remaining.  In the two games, he scored 45 points, had six rebounds, three assists and two steals.  He shot 69.6% from the field (16-23), 60.0% from three (6-10) and 87.5% from the line (7-8).  On the season he is averaging 15.3 points/game and has 15 rebounds, eight assists and four steals.  CMS is 3-1 overall.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LogShow on November 30, 2007, 01:18:08 PM
Bob,

are you planning on going to the WW Pomona game?  If you are I would be interested to here your thoughts on WW
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on November 30, 2007, 01:25:17 PM
President Bob,

I think you forgot to mention that the men in orange in black have a game tonight against the Golden Eagles of La Sierra. I understand that you are busy preparing your agenda for the first 100 days in office at the rock, but come on, Coach Newhall and Co. are ready to get better.  ;D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on November 30, 2007, 01:29:17 PM
btw, Good luck to the Young Leps tonight against, yet, another good NWc team I'll try to keep you guys updated on this game, as i may just have some time to slip out of my class at La Verne and catch the game at the Super tents.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: West Coast Bias on November 30, 2007, 05:43:37 PM
Just out of curiosity, how long has Whitworth been in So Cal?  Did they go back up north after the Cal Tech tournament and then come back for Redlands?  Or are they just taking the week off of classes?  I may be mistaken, but I don't remember the Techsters taking a week off from school in Quantum Hoops.  I can't imagine any  SCIAC schools being ok with that.  I guess things are a little different up north. 

A few early season thoughts...

PP - 76 ppg, 71 opponents ppg
CMS - 57 ppg, 57 opponents ppg

Looks like Scali and Kats are still as close as ever and yet never further apart.

Oxy over WCB by 9
PP over WCB by 12
Whittier over WCB by 30
Fear the Poet?

La Verne over Chapman is probably this years game that will keep the Panthers out of the tourney.  A win that is looking better and better for the young Leos as Chapman keeps winning.

Cal Lu only playing 7 guys, maybe just trying to hang on until Meier comes back.

Its still early...


Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on November 30, 2007, 06:19:29 PM
Thanks for the correction Bob  ;D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on December 01, 2007, 01:21:10 AM
Just got back from handling my business in La Verne.

Congrats to the Leo's on their win tonight against Willamette. I thought that Willamette would have come down south ready to show off their A- game and to represent a strong NWC. However, i ended up witnessing to many turnovers from a team that looked much better than the leo's.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LogShow on December 01, 2007, 01:45:49 PM
QuoteCongrats to the Leo's on their win tonight against Willamette. I thought that Willamette would have come down south ready to show off their A- game and to represent a strong NWC. However, i ended up witnessing to many turnovers from a team that looked much better than the leo's.

Willamette is definately down this year.  They lost their best player last year Nugent, who could do it all.  Good win for the Leos though
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Fear the Poet on December 05, 2007, 11:21:15 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on December 05, 2007, 10:31:19 AM
Tuesday night's result:

Whittier lost to Biola, 59-45 (http://athletics.biola.edu/sports/mbball/2007/stats/08whc.htm). The Eagles got off to a quick 15-4 lead, and were up 31-16 at the half. For the game, Whittier shot a dreadful 26% from the floor. Vernon Covington had 11 points and Michael Archuletta scored 10 off the bench for the Poets.

Whittier is 3-2. The Poets' next game is at home against The Master's College on Dec. 8.

Tonight's games:
La Verne @ Chapman. ULV beat Chapman, 59-56, on Nov. 20.
Redlands @ West Coast Baptist

Saturday's games:
CLU @ La Sierra
Claremont @ Chapman
Pomona @ Biola
Redlands @ Concordia

Oxy and Caltech are not scheduled.

OxyBob

OB,

  Thanks for the updates. I'm going to try and follow the round ball. Still trying to grasp the fact that football is over..but I'm working on it. The Poets have a Troy guy on the basketball team as well, so I got that going for me. What is your scouting report on the Poet squad??

Thanks
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: snoop dawg on December 06, 2007, 12:58:47 AM
OB.....I mean Prez OB.....I gather you saw Redlands play.....are they using a different style of play than in the past?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Fear the Poet on December 06, 2007, 11:54:28 PM
thanks OB!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D O.C. on December 08, 2007, 10:46:20 PM
Did I mention congratulations on the scheduling and pasting of the Afghanistan National Team, OB? Will A.N.T. be playing Haskell as well?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: snoop dawg on December 10, 2007, 05:15:44 PM
OB....you should realize by now that DO.C. sees life through purple shaded glasses ::)       <Sarcasm intended>
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on December 11, 2007, 07:19:58 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on December 11, 2007, 06:46:56 PM
Gallaudet vs. Caltech @ Cal Lutheran
Can Caltech win against 1-7 Gallaudet?

OxyBob
We'll be waiting to hear from you.

Next year the CLU/Caltech Tournament will include Lawrence.
Title: Cal Lu controversy continues
Post by: DIIIghetto on December 16, 2007, 12:31:36 AM
Anyone else notice the interesting coincidence that Cal Lu played less than half the November to mid-December games than any other SCIAC school?   That couldn't have been influenced last spring by a coaching staff trying also working behind the scenes to convince a community that their kids were good kids who deserved second chances?  Call me a conspiracy theorist. 

Anyway, here is to hoping Cal Lu, reformed criminals and all, can be the one SCIAC team who can rise above what otherwise thus far looks like a one-and-done group at the top of the conference.

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciac_is_fun on December 16, 2007, 01:58:27 AM
here's a start...
Cal Lu exacts a little revenge on Chapman, 53-50, in a game that should not have been this close.  The Kingsmen took the lead early and never gave it up, but they nearly gave it away.

Meier comes back and goes 6-11 for 15, and 8 boards in 26 min (he didn't start).
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciac_is_fun on December 16, 2007, 03:41:22 PM
I agree - that's ridiculous and needs to be taken care of. 
Title: Re: Cal Lu controversy continues
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 17, 2007, 02:01:58 AM
Quote from: DIIIghetto on December 16, 2007, 12:31:36 AM
Anyone else notice the interesting coincidence that Cal Lu played less than half the November to mid-December games than any other SCIAC school?   That couldn't have been influenced last spring by a coaching staff trying also working behind the scenes to convince a community that their kids were good kids who deserved second chances?  Call me a conspiracy theorist. 

Schedules are constructed too far in advance for that to be a very plausible theory. The arrests only took place last March.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LogShow on December 17, 2007, 03:40:16 AM
Looks like Pomona got back on the right track handling Pacific.  Pac has really sturggled eary this year. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LogShow on December 17, 2007, 12:50:39 PM
Thanks for the update there Bob.  Its interesting because Pacific was the trendy pick to do well in the NWC this year, picked to finish 4th.  Maybe the pressure/expecatations got to them, nothing good about being 1-7.  Wasn't Lowery at Pomona before Pac?  That was probably a tough loss for him to swallow.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LogShow on December 17, 2007, 01:07:49 PM
Whats the overall record of the SCIAC vs. NWC this year?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 18, 2007, 01:01:19 AM
Nothing on scoreboard yet, but I'm dyin' to know - did Caltech prevail?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on December 18, 2007, 01:04:06 AM
Per the CLU website (http://www.clusports.com/mens_basketball/schedule/),
Caltech 72, Gallaudet 58
Fear the Beaver!
:) :) :)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 18, 2007, 01:08:53 AM
Quote from: David Collinge on December 18, 2007, 01:04:06 AM
Per the CLU website (http://www.clusports.com/mens_basketball/schedule/),
Caltech 72, Gallaudet 58
Fear the Beaver!
:) :) :)

In the grand tradition of 'Break up the [insert dynasty here]', I prefer 'Smash the Quanta'! ::);D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LogShow on December 18, 2007, 03:07:16 AM
Well well, got to give Cal Tech some love!  Nice win guys, probably their biggest victory margin in recent years.  I don't know a whole lot about their program, but from what I have heard they have gotten a lot more competitive in the last few years.  I think that coach deserves quite a bit of credit.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on December 18, 2007, 11:51:29 AM
Hum, I smell a sequel to the smash hit "Quantum hoops" here (oh wait that's a different smell.) Congratulations to the beaves. Nice win.

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on December 18, 2007, 03:02:56 PM
Tonight's B-ball: Chapman-Oxy Classic. Oxy vs. Pacific Union, 3p.m.; Chapman vs. SUNY Plattsburgh (NY), 5 p.m. All games will occur on Champan's turf.
Good luck to the men in orange and black.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LogShow on December 18, 2007, 05:52:07 PM
Oxy probably doesn't need much luck tonight...Pac. Union doesn't put up much fight
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LogShow on December 18, 2007, 06:08:11 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on December 18, 2007, 06:04:23 PM

Caltech ended their 59-game losing streak, and streak of 207 straight losses to D-III teams when the Beavers beat Bard, 81-52, on January 6. Except for the Caltech team and coaches, I may be the only other person who has been present to see them win twice this year. Does that make me a Caltech nerd, too?

OxyBob

Well I forgot they soundly whooped up on Bard last year.  Bob with that kind of devotion you should inquire about receiving an honorary degree!  ;D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on December 18, 2007, 07:09:26 PM
Quote from: LogShow on December 18, 2007, 05:52:07 PM
Oxy probably doesn't need much luck tonight...Pac. Union doesn't put up much fight

In other words, P.U. stinks.  ::) :D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: magicman on December 18, 2007, 07:36:28 PM
Anyone hear a Chapman-Plattsburgh State score yet?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on December 18, 2007, 07:40:50 PM
Quote from: magicman on December 18, 2007, 07:36:28 PM
Anyone hear a Chapman-Plattsburgh State score yet?

Quote from: Browneagle64 on December 18, 2007, 03:02:56 PM
Tonight's B-ball: Chapman-Oxy Classic. Oxy vs. Pacific Union, 3p.m.; Chapman vs. SUNY Plattsburgh (NY), 5 p.m. All games will occur on Champan's turf.
Good luck to the men in orange and black.

Should tip in about 20 minutes, Pacific time.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 18, 2007, 08:16:26 PM
Is it too late for Caltech to schedule P.U.? :D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on December 18, 2007, 08:22:05 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 18, 2007, 08:16:26 PM
Is it too late for Caltech to schedule P.U.? :D
Good idea!  Get them overconfident before SCIAC games count.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Cards7580 on December 18, 2007, 11:51:44 PM
PLattsburgh goes to 7-0  with a 65-63 win
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: magicman on December 18, 2007, 11:55:34 PM
 Plattsburgh State 65 Chapman 63. Sure sounds like it was a good game. Don't know who did what. Anyone got game info?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LogShow on December 19, 2007, 01:28:20 AM
So Oxy has Plattsburg tomorrow?  I am thinking Oxy will be ruining that perfect start!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: magicman on December 19, 2007, 01:48:36 AM
Posted by: LogShow  Posted on: Today at 01:28:20 am 
Insert Quote 
So Oxy has Plattsburg tomorrow?  I am thinking Oxy will be ruining that perfect start

I'm thinking you may be right, but I hope you're wrong
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on December 19, 2007, 12:01:19 PM
I sure do hope that Oxy ruins P-State's perfect start.  8)
Btw, Bob, is there any game stats from Last nights Oxy/ P.U. game?


Today's games: Chapman-Oxy Classic. Oxy vs. SUNY Plattsburgh, 1 p.m.; Chapman vs. Pacific Union. 3pm
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on December 19, 2007, 12:21:30 PM
Thanks Bob.

I just noticed that the offical score keeper actually put 75 next to the attendance. How brutal. At least when i used to do this i used to bump it up to 175 so people could be encouraged to attend these games.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on December 19, 2007, 12:49:31 PM
Quote from: Browneagle64 on December 19, 2007, 12:21:30 PM
Thanks Bob.

I just noticed that the offical score keeper actually put 75 next to the attendance. How brutal. At least when i used to do this i used to bump it up to 175 so people could be encouraged to attend these games.

75=Brutal
but
175=Encouraging?
???
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on December 19, 2007, 12:59:09 PM
Quote from: Browneagle64 on December 19, 2007, 12:21:30 PM
Thanks Bob.

I just noticed that the offical score keeper actually put 75 next to the attendance. How brutal. At least when i used to do this i used to bump it up to 175 so people could be encouraged to attend these games.
A homer is supposed to add 100 to the SCORE, not the attendance.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on December 19, 2007, 12:59:55 PM
Yes. D.C., as hard as that may sound, 175 people in attendance for a winter break game is encouraging. Most of the time those who are in attendance are usually parents, relatives, alumni and people from the commuinty who make up that number. Unfortunately with the student body gone for a long month winter break, the number of students at SCIAC games is by far way below.

I am sure that the Cal Lu faithful can attest to this as well.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on December 19, 2007, 02:02:34 PM
Word has it that after Oxy beats P-State this afternoon, Coach Newhall and Co. will be heading over to Disneyland for a big victory celebration.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on December 19, 2007, 02:38:10 PM
Quote from: Browneagle64 on December 19, 2007, 12:59:55 PM
Yes. D.C., as hard as that may sound, 175 people in attendance for a winter break game is encouraging. Most of the time those who are in attendance are usually parents, relatives, alumni and people from the commuinty who make up that number. Unfortunately with the student body gone for a long month winter break, the number of students at SCIAC games is by far way below.

I am sure that the Cal Lu faithful can attest to this as well.

Good Point BE - you don't want your chance to play one of the top conference teams at home when all your students are still on break.  The Kingsmen are fortunate in that regard this year.  They did draw (a reported) 160 on the Saturday afternoon following finals - probably 10 students in the bunch.

Nice to see the Kingsmen playing well so far - looking forward to seeing how they measure up against Stevens Point on January 1.

Bob-  Thanks for the poem on the football board (http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=4701.msg837421#msg837421).  I did see someone wearing an Oxy sweatshirt on my flight to Minneapolis - didn't ask her where she got it...
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Howlinwolf on December 19, 2007, 07:33:19 PM
Premonitions? Predictions? Whatever, they were accurate. Oxy rides a strong second half run behind back-up center/forward Joe Sasich to upset the Cards of SUNY/Plattsburgh.

Another East Coast team bites the dust in December to the Tigers.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: magicman on December 19, 2007, 08:02:47 PM
HW, What was the score of the Oxy game?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on December 19, 2007, 08:05:43 PM
Quote from: magicman on December 19, 2007, 08:02:47 PM
HW, What was the score of the Oxy game?

69-64, Oxy
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: magicman on December 19, 2007, 08:22:00 PM
Thanks DC

Sounds like it was a good game. Figured that Oxy was the stonger of the two teams that Plattsburgh would face as they were also unbeaten in D3. Would have liked to have played them first.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on December 19, 2007, 10:11:08 PM
Congrats to the Men in orange and black for taking care of business in Orange, CA. this afternoon. Glad to hear that bench added some needed support.   

And as always, thanks for the eye witness report bob.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DIIIghetto on December 19, 2007, 10:49:58 PM
Oxy....ahhhhhh....hope!

Thank you for the early Xmas present. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LogShow on December 20, 2007, 03:21:16 AM
I knew Oxy would get it done...good win for the west coast!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on December 20, 2007, 11:33:30 AM
Here's a photo from the Caltech/Gallaudet game, posted on the newly discovered Caltech Alternate Athletics Website (http://www.gocaltech.com/landing/index):
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gocaltech.com%2Fimages%2Fmbkb%2Fmbb_dec17.jpg%3Fmax_width%3D405&hash=236e2d5e3c2b280ababd5b6ce7be6edf29e7ab63) (http://www.gocaltech.com/images/mbkb/mbb_dec17.jpg?max_width=405)
(click to enlarge)

So which one is you, Bob?  :)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OXY Oswald on December 20, 2007, 11:48:16 AM
Quote from: David Collinge on December 20, 2007, 11:33:30 AM
Here's a photo from the Caltech/Gallaudet game, posted on the newly discovered Caltech Alternate Athletics Website (http://www.gocaltech.com/landing/index):
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gocaltech.com%2Fimages%2Fmbkb%2Fmbb_dec17.jpg%3Fmax_width%3D405&hash=236e2d5e3c2b280ababd5b6ce7be6edf29e7ab63) (http://www.gocaltech.com/images/mbkb/mbb_dec17.jpg?max_width=405)
(click to enlarge)

So which one is you, Bob?  :)
Wow.  The Beavers were in full force that night huh?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TeeDub on December 20, 2007, 12:20:32 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on December 20, 2007, 11:33:30 AM
Here's a photo from the Caltech/Gallaudet game, posted on the newly discovered Caltech Alternate Athletics Website (http://www.gocaltech.com/landing/index):
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gocaltech.com%2Fimages%2Fmbkb%2Fmbb_dec17.jpg%3Fmax_width%3D405&hash=236e2d5e3c2b280ababd5b6ce7be6edf29e7ab63) (http://www.gocaltech.com/images/mbkb/mbb_dec17.jpg?max_width=405)
(click to enlarge)

So which one is you, Bob?  :)

This is the funniest thing I have seen in a long time...mostly because Bob is actually in the picture.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TeeDub on December 20, 2007, 12:24:31 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on December 20, 2007, 12:21:53 PM
Quote from: Jordis Rocks on December 20, 2007, 12:20:32 PM
This is the funniest thing I have seen in a long time...mostly because Bob is actually in the picture.

Good thing I'm divorced or I'd be busted.

OxyBob
There's a joke in here somewhere....
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 20, 2007, 12:43:10 PM
Quote from: Browneagle64 on December 19, 2007, 12:21:30 PM
Thanks Bob.

I just noticed that the offical score keeper actually put 75 next to the attendance. How brutal. At least when i used to do this i used to bump it up to 175 so people could be encouraged to attend these games.

We now have photographic evidence (and Bob's testimony) that the current scorekeeper is keeping your tradition alive - he boosted the attendance from 2 to 75! ;D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on December 20, 2007, 02:27:43 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on December 20, 2007, 12:21:53 PM
Quote from: Jordis Rocks on December 20, 2007, 12:20:32 PM
This is the funniest thing I have seen in a long time...mostly because Bob is actually in the picture.

Good thing I'm divorced or I'd be busted.

OxyBob

So you take your dates to watch Caltech basketball games, at no less of a hot dating spot than Chapman University, and then neither of you actually watch the game?  (Or is it that you two are praying that Hires' shot falls?) 

Hubba hubba, Bob. :-*
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on December 20, 2007, 03:16:11 PM
Hahaha, that's right Ypsi. That's how bad attendance gets during winter break.

President Bob, Where's your entourage? Doesn't the prez usually roll with a crew of 15.

Glad to see that the Oxy v.s. P-State game got a front page mention on D3hoops.com.

from D3hoops:
No. 14 Plattsburgh State also flew to warmer climates, though with less success. The Cardinals lost to Occidental 69-64 to split their California trip. The Tigers shot 53.6 percent from the field in the second half.


Speaking of warm weather, i feel sorry for all the east coast teams that fly out here just in time when So. Cal is going through small rain periods. Once they got off the plane and see the dark gray sky's, i am sure their hearts just get broken and end up losing focus. 8)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 20, 2007, 09:44:25 PM
Quote from: Browneagle64 on December 20, 2007, 03:16:11 PMSpeaking of warm weather, i feel sorry for all the east coast teams that fly out here just in time when So. Cal is going through small rain periods. Once they got off the plane and see the dark gray sky's, i am sure their hearts just get broken and end up losing focus. 8)

I can't speak for the east coast teams, but the midwest teams that are making snowbird trips will be quite content with SoCal's dark skies and rain. Most of us in the heartland are ankle-deep or worse in snow right now.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on December 20, 2007, 09:58:21 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on December 20, 2007, 06:41:42 PM
AND was treated to fresh fish tacos from 3 Amigos.

OxyBob
I didn't know snoop dawg had gone into the restaurant business. ;D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: snoop dawg on December 21, 2007, 12:12:30 AM
OB.....what are you doing in the stands with Lucy?  You better hope FTP doenst see that photo. 

GF....yeah come on out to my place, I'll make a very special sausage sandwhich for ya.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on December 22, 2007, 02:22:13 PM
For OxyBob or Anyone who can comment. What can you tell me about Hope International (GCAC). Other than they don't win often. From just looking at their roster, they seem to have good size?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on December 22, 2007, 04:42:33 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on December 20, 2007, 09:58:21 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on December 20, 2007, 06:41:42 PM
AND was treated to fresh fish tacos from 3 Amigos.

OxyBob
I didn't know snoop dawg had gone into the restaurant business. ;D

GF-
Well played as always.

For those of you who have not had the pleasure, 3 Amigos is indeed fine dining.  Highly recommended for pre/post game dining when attending events at Cal Lu.  If a family run fresh Mexican place is not high on your list, check out Allegro's in the same strip mall next to Trader Joe's.  Although we sometimes speculate it is a mafia money laundering front, the pizza is good and the sandwiches are great.  Then there are always the chocolate chip rolls from Fresh Donuts, endorsed by heart surgeons everywhere when business is slow...

Props to Oxy for their win over Plattsburgh State.  Coach Newhall seems to be guiding the Tigers through a smooth transition into the post Betty era.  Should make for a fun SCIAC season.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on December 22, 2007, 11:52:13 PM
Oxy- Thanks for the box score.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LogShow on December 23, 2007, 02:39:41 PM
What was the final tally for NWC Vs. SCIAC?

Is it still 5-4 in favor of SCIAC?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TeeDub on December 26, 2007, 01:11:00 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on December 26, 2007, 12:27:27 PM
Upcoming SCIAC schedule:

Jan. 6
Grinnell @ Redlands

Grinnell is at Redlands on Jan. 6 @ 3:00 p.m. Gary Smith returns to Gary Smith Court as a coach for Grinnell, the original Traveling Freak Show.


OB,

I know that you are 'System' fan at heart so I am sure this one is circled on your calendar!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on December 26, 2007, 07:40:49 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on December 26, 2007, 12:27:27 PM
No. 3 Stevens Point is at CLU on New Year's Day @ 7:30 p.m. Can the Kingsmen keep the game closer than Illinois does against USC in the Rose Bowl?

I'll be at the Rose Bowl, and hopefully catch the tail end of the CLU-Stevens Point game.  Is it too much to ask for two big upsets on the same day?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on December 26, 2007, 10:34:52 PM
We'll have the Oxy-IWU game this Sat at 7.30 PST.  www.oxybroadcast.com.  Hope you'll join us.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: snoop dawg on December 27, 2007, 01:27:23 PM
tigersports.....I know you have billing requirements....how do you find the time?   ;)Happy New Year
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on December 31, 2007, 01:07:55 AM
Been gone for a while...OB, is that really you in the picture?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on December 31, 2007, 06:51:45 PM
Rivier upsets Caltech in Pasadena, 66-56.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: April on January 01, 2008, 12:10:07 PM
*taps mic* Is this thing on?

So I hopped onto D3hoops.com for the first time in AGES yesterday and laughed so hard reading the posts in this room that I had to rejoin. While my posting will probably mostly be restricted to a few areas...thanks to all of you for reminding me that some of the rooms here always have been, and always will be, nothing but good times.

Quote from: OxyBob on December 26, 2007, 12:27:27 PM
Upcoming SCIAC schedule:

Dec. 31
Illinois Wesleyan @ Claremont

Jan. 1
UW-Stevens Point @ Cal Lutheran

Jan. 2
Dickinson @ Caltech (I will be there to watch Wheaton in the other game)

Jan. 3
Pomona vs. Chapman @ Oxy

Jan. 6
Grinnell @ Redlands

Ill be at most if not all of these ones. Cross your fingers that Coach Dow does not still hate me and that I am allowed in their gym. :(

I was super glad to see Gary coaching.... I wonder if he will remember the random woman who came up and introduced herself at the Final Four last year?  ;D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: April on January 01, 2008, 12:22:58 PM
Hahah.... I cant edit posts....  >:( :-X

Well, just wanted to add that I am sorry to disappoint OxyBob about the Wheaton-LaVerne game... I was unavoidably detained in several airplanes on that date, as I was on the way back from Christmas-ing in Europe. :P
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 01, 2008, 12:44:14 PM
Quote from: April on January 01, 2008, 12:22:58 PM
Hahah.... I cant edit posts....  >:( :-X

Dropping from HoF to junior varsity can do that to a person!

Welcome back! ;D ;D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Howlinwolf on January 01, 2008, 01:26:38 PM
From April to the final day in December...

Oxy bests an undersized but feisty Mt. St Mary's team (Newburgh, NY), 77-56, at Concordia-Irvine's "Surf City Classic." The Tigers' height advantage and overall talent prevailed over the Blue Knights' speed and grit.

Kudos to Concordia for the aesthetically appealing Classic logo and the one of the clearest sound systems in the Southland.

In the SoCal battle of the felids, Oxy hosts Chapman tomorrow night in Eagle Rock. Should be a competitive match-up. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciac_is_fun on January 02, 2008, 12:04:16 AM
CLU takes Stevens Point to OT with a 3 by Inniss with under 20 seconds to go!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciac_is_fun on January 02, 2008, 12:21:32 AM
72-70 Kingsmen win!

Inniss scores with 30 seconds left in OT with what turns out to be the winning basket.

note: quote from the Steven's Point radio guy: "a big crowd here tonight"
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on January 02, 2008, 01:42:05 AM
Welcome back, April.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 02, 2008, 06:40:55 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 02, 2008, 01:27:39 AM
The Pointers had a chance, but Wotachek's 3-pointer missed at the buzzer.

I think this is an oxymoron.  Pointers, chance, Wotachek, 3-pointer-don't belong in the same sentence  ;)...although he has it one this year! lol  :o ...nice write up.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on January 02, 2008, 10:42:11 AM
Welcome back, April!

Quote from: scandihoovian on December 26, 2007, 07:40:49 PM
I'll be at the Rose Bowl, and hopefully catch the tail end of the CLU-Stevens Point game.  Is it too much to ask for two big upsets on the same day?

Well I guess one out of two isn't bad  ;)  Not much fun to watch the Rose Bowl while sitting in the Illini section...

I did not make it back to T.O. in time for the Cal Lu game, but maybe that was for the best.  They're off to a great start and I have yet to see them play in person - not sure if there's a correlation there or not.  I'll credit the pro-SCIAC aura of OxyBob with helping the Kingsmen bring home a big win for the SCIAC.  Hopefully their win and Oxy's win over Plattsburgh will help us out in late February.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on January 02, 2008, 11:23:00 AM
Here's the game write up from the VC Star (http://www.venturacountystar.com/news/2008/jan/02/clu-pulls-off-upset-of-national-power/).  Nice interview with Oxy coach Brian Newhall at the end of the article.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DIIIghetto on January 02, 2008, 11:50:55 AM
What a great late Xmas gift from the Pointers.  Thanks to Oxy and Cal Lu now, the SCIAC is poised to get 2 teams in the top 20.  When is that vote, next week?  I would have said that Oxy's body of work here over the holidays had them knocking on the door.  Cal Lu definitely should march up the rankings.  Great, great work coaches.  Way to get your kids to look past the history and realize that they are good enough to play with anyone. 

I'm not sure how CLU got WSP out on the road for a single game on the west coast but thank you. 

Folks in the midwest should know better than to ever schedule a west coast team on new year's day.  There is something in the air on that day historically working against athletes (ala Big Ten) from the midwest. 



Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: April on January 02, 2008, 12:41:52 PM
I cant believe I didnt go to the game last night. I decided to let sanity get the best of me, after I went back home for my cellphone (NOT safe to be a female alone in LA with a theoretically broken down car in the middle of the night without the ability to call for help), and I was going to end up being late. Four hours of driving Mon, five hours driving Tues and four hours driving today seemed a bit much when I still have jet lag and would want to be in bed before the second half started! Listening to the broadcast made me feel dumb...Those are the type of games Im always there for! I feel almost as stupid as when I missed Cal Tech win! (not really).

Ah, well.... big congrats to CLU.... you definitely have already exceeded my expectations for already! Congrats on thriving despite all the drama last year. :)

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: April on January 02, 2008, 12:50:58 PM
Incidentally, thanks for all the warm welcomes everyone.... of course, I cant respond to all the PMs though.

How many more posts do I need? (April sets mode: spam) :D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LogShow on January 02, 2008, 01:18:53 PM
Just wanted to say congrats to Cal Lu on their win over the Pointers.  That was a great win for them and for the west coast.  Point is a good team. they gave Puget Sound lots of trouble in the national tornament a few years ago, so its nice to finally see someone from the west coast beat them. Congrats again
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 02, 2008, 04:53:24 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 02, 2008, 11:19:25 AM
Wotachek was 6-for-8 shooting and had 7 rebounds and 2 assists. He misses a shot and gets dissed. Tough crowd.

OxyBob

Believe me, he's improved his play dramatically since last year and he has hit one big 3-pointer this year when the shot clock was winding down in a close game.  But, he's the last guy on the team you want to take a 3-pt. shot and that's no disrespect to him.  I'm pretty sure every Point fan would agree with me.  I'm definitely not blaming him for the loss because he missed the shot. 

I thought the radio guys said he was in the post, but your post had him missing a three.  If he was in the post, I have no problem with him shooting it.  From 3?  He shouldn't even have the ball in his hands.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DIIIghetto on January 02, 2008, 05:25:44 PM
OB, you braved it and went to the game?  Must have been by cab.  I know you wouldn't want to park in that parking lot.   Have they put a metal detector in at the front door for fans or is it just in front of the team lockerroom?

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: John Gleich on January 02, 2008, 06:42:43 PM
Quote from: sciac_is_fun on January 02, 2008, 12:21:32 AM
72-70 Kingsmen win!

Inniss scores with 30 seconds left in OT with what turns out to be the winning basket.

note: quote from the Steven's Point radio guy: "a big crowd here tonight"

I think they were saying it was a decent crowd for a game on new years day.  Point pulls in an average of 1400 fans per game, so they CAN recognize a truly big crown, but with it being a weekday game, and a holiday, with the Rose Bowl playing earlier in the evening, I don't think they were expecting much of a crowd at all.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 02, 2008, 08:20:01 PM
Quote from: PointSpecial on January 02, 2008, 06:42:43 PM
Quote from: sciac_is_fun on January 02, 2008, 12:21:32 AM
72-70 Kingsmen win!

Inniss scores with 30 seconds left in OT with what turns out to be the winning basket.

note: quote from the Steven's Point radio guy: "a big crowd here tonight"

I think they were saying it was a decent crowd for a game on new years day.  Point pulls in an average of 1400 fans per game, so they CAN recognize a truly big crown, but with it being a weekday game, and a holiday, with the Rose Bowl playing earlier in the evening, I don't think they were expecting much of a crowd at all.

Yeah, they do have a couple of those truly big 'crowns', but I suppose they recognize attendance, too! ;D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciac_is_fun on January 02, 2008, 10:56:55 PM
Quote from: PointSpecial on January 02, 2008, 06:42:43 PM
Quote from: sciac_is_fun on January 02, 2008, 12:21:32 AM
72-70 Kingsmen win!

Inniss scores with 30 seconds left in OT with what turns out to be the winning basket.

note: quote from the Steven's Point radio guy: "a big crowd here tonight"

I think they were saying it was a decent crowd for a game on new years day.  Point pulls in an average of 1400 fans per game, so they CAN recognize a truly big crown, but with it being a weekday game, and a holiday, with the Rose Bowl playing earlier in the evening, I don't think they were expecting much of a crowd at all.

Neither was I, which is why I posted their observation.  We were recently lamenting the lack of good crowds over the holidays at SCIAC games, and particularly at CLU, so I was suprised to hear that.  OxyBob, how big was the crowd exactly?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciac_is_fun on January 02, 2008, 11:02:05 PM
Quote from: scandihoovian on January 02, 2008, 11:23:00 AM
Here's the game write up from the VC Star (http://www.venturacountystar.com/news/2008/jan/02/clu-pulls-off-upset-of-national-power/).  Nice interview with Oxy coach Brian Newhall at the end of the article.

It's funny how Inniss' shot keeps getting further and further away: 24 ft, 25 ft, 30 ft!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on January 02, 2008, 11:33:30 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 02, 2008, 12:12:41 PM
You had to sit in the Illinois section and watch that slaughter? Geez, what did you do to deserve that kind of punishment?

Four cousins with degrees from Illinois... Promised my cousins that I'd host if the Illini made the Rose Bowl before all of them qualified for Medicare.  Great family visit, awful football game. 

I sensed a whole lot of "just happy to be here" from the Illini faithful - they needed to get off their butts, stop bemoaning the loss of Chief Illiniwek (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chief_Illiniwek), and generate some good old fashioned enmity toward the cardinal and gold.  Would have probably helped a bit, too, if their football team could have held onto the ball. ;)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Howlinwolf on January 03, 2008, 12:58:18 AM
Oxy continues its winning ways with a thorough thrashing of Chapman tonight, 69-45. The Tigers played suffocating defense; only Chapman's Wood (not Chapman Woods) did any damage.

Chapman came into the game 8-4 and its four losees were by a total of ten points. A quality win against a respectable opponent.

Latest D3Hoops poll has Oxy at #25.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 03, 2008, 04:28:47 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 02, 2008, 06:32:57 PM
The UWSP radio guys were practically sitting outside in the lobby, about as far from the play as they could be, so I'm not surprised they didn't see it very well.

Quote from: sciac_is_fun on January 02, 2008, 11:02:05 PM
It's funny how Inniss' shot keeps getting further and further away: 24 ft, 25 ft, 30 ft!

I heard he shot it out by the UWSP radio guys, is that true?  lol  ;D :D ;) :P
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on January 04, 2008, 06:16:17 PM
Thanks Bob and others for keeping this board updated with b-ball scores during the holiday season. I was glad to see every update as i was traveling for my holiday break. I hope all of you guys enjoyed the games (tourney's) and your holidays as well. 8)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TeeDub on January 05, 2008, 02:02:10 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 04, 2008, 11:09:04 AM

Pomona 63, Chapman 54
P-P: Jabarri Reynolds 16 pts and 10 rebs, Justin Sexon 14 pts and 7 rebs, David Brown 10 pts
CU: Max Piner 11 pts, Justin Riley 12 pts
http://www.oxyathletics.com/sports/mbkb/2007-08/stats/0103cupp.htm

Pomona is 5-4; Chapman is 8-6 (5-5 vs. SCIAC). Pomona next plays La Verne on Jan. 12 at Rains Center in the SCIAC opener.

It appears that Pomona is starting to get it together just as conference begins...I wouldn't count them out of it...

I am already looking forward to the first conference tourney at the end of the year...it is going to be a wild race to get there.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: castle on January 05, 2008, 12:22:02 PM
Congrats to Cal Lu on their historic win over UWSP!!!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: April on January 05, 2008, 05:52:58 PM
The Grinnell / Caltech game is on Sunday, no?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on January 06, 2008, 01:58:53 PM
Wow, I scooped OxyBob on this.  The early bird etc. ;D

Article on Gary Smith from today's Times.

  http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-grinnell6jan06,1,1802816.story?coll=la-headlines-sports

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Howlinwolf on January 06, 2008, 02:52:23 PM
Don't like the system? Then find a way to render it ineffective. If it didn't achieve some measure of success, it would disappear. Levy all the aesthetic criticisms you want, but that's a matter of taste, not any moral high ground. It's a novel approach that forces opponents to approach the game far differently than your run-of-the-mill game strategy.

And if the Grinnell players appear physically unimpressive and less skilled, than all the more power the "the system." The sum is then greater than the parts. It affords an entire team - not a select seven or eight - to play and contribute every game, and, it appears in Grinnell's case, to win far more often than it loses.

Some folks decry the zone, others the reliance on the three-point shot. Viva la difference.  The potshots have grown old from the 'three yards and a crowd of dust" folks (to mix my sports metaphors).
















Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: NWCer on January 06, 2008, 04:00:56 PM
Quote from: Howlinwolf on January 06, 2008, 02:52:23 PM
Don't like the system? Then find a way to render it ineffective. If it didn't achieve some measure of success, it would disappear. Levy all the aesthetic criticisms you want, but that's a matter of taste, not any moral high ground. It's a novel approach that forces opponents to approach the game far differently than your run-of-the-mill game strategy.

And if the Grinnell players appear physically unimpressive and less skilled, than all the more power the "the system." The sum is then greater than the parts. It affords an entire team - not a select seven or eight - to play and contribute every game, and, it appears in Grinnell's case, to win far more often than it loses.

Some folks decry the zone, others the reliance on the three-point shot. Viva la difference.  The potshots have grown old from the 'three yards and a crowd of dust" folks (to mix my sports metaphors).

















Hi from the NWC, just peeking around your board, saw the last few posts, and just had to say: 

Well said Howlinwolf..........

Cool article too in your LA Times, and I think the last line from Gary Smith in that article says it all.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on January 06, 2008, 08:10:21 PM
Quote from: Howlinwolf on January 06, 2008, 02:52:23 PM
Don't like the system? Then find a way to render it ineffective. If it didn't achieve some measure of success, it would disappear. Levy all the aesthetic criticisms you want, but that's a matter of taste, not any moral high ground. It's a novel approach that forces opponents to approach the game far differently than your run-of-the-mill game strategy.

And if the Grinnell players appear physically unimpressive and less skilled, than all the more power the "the system." The sum is then greater than the parts. It affords an entire team - not a select seven or eight - to play and contribute every game, and, it appears in Grinnell's case, to win far more often than it loses.

Some folks decry the zone, others the reliance on the three-point shot. Viva la difference.  The potshots have grown old from the 'three yards and a crowd of dust" folks (to mix my sports metaphors).

I respectfully disagree on two counts:
Success? Go to Currier and look at the banners, please take note of when the Bulldogs stopped winning SCIAC championships under Gary Smith.  I know that in Grinnell's particular case it helped them tremendously, but the success of the system is far from universal in every application.

Moral high ground?  The system as practiced by Redlands in the final years of Smith's tenure was predicated on an extremely aggressive pressure "defense" so full of fouls the officials could not call them all.  There are some people who believe that bending the rules in this way is effective strategy. IMHO this is where the system no longer resembles basketball, and does raise ethical/moral questions.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: snoop dawg on January 07, 2008, 02:20:49 PM
I have to agree with Scandi and OB....."the system" is awful to watch.  I watched UR play 3 or 4 times last year and it was, to say the least, frustating.  Players coming in and out every 4-5 minuets is simply stupid.  You get a player witha hot hand and then he is on the bench for 5 mins.  The pressure defense ends virtually at half court, so that, a well coached team should be able to get lay ups or high percentage shots at a minimum.  UR had a couple of guys who seemed to have the ability to make a presence inside, however, they never got the chance.

Fast breaking open court basketball with pressure defense is "a lot" of fun to watch.  "The system" is frustating and is not spectator friendly in my opinion. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TeeDub on January 07, 2008, 04:41:02 PM
Quote from: snoop dawg on January 07, 2008, 02:20:49 PM
.... I watched UR play 3 or 4 times last year ....  "The system" is frustating and is not spectator friendly in my opinion. 

But you kept showing up...???
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: snoop dawg on January 07, 2008, 04:53:03 PM
My son was a student there and I am a big basketball fan so........hell, I watch the Clippers! ;)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TeeDub on January 07, 2008, 10:08:41 PM
Seriously, when was the last time the SCIAC had two top 25 teams?  It even looks funny to see...now let's keep it up!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on January 07, 2008, 10:12:04 PM
Quote from: Jordis Rocks on January 07, 2008, 10:08:41 PM
Seriously, when was the last time the SCIAC had two top 25 teams?  It even looks funny to see...now let's keep it up!
In terms of the D3Hoops.com Top25 (http://www.d3hoops.com/top25/), the answer is 'never.'  In fact, by coming into the rankings at #24 this week, Cal Lu becomes the first SCIAC team not located in Eagle Rock to appear in the Top 25 at all.  Congratulations to Coach Rider and the Kingsmen!  :)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LogShow on January 08, 2008, 12:38:12 AM
Its amazing what a few big wins against "power schools" can do for your conference
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OXY Oswald on January 08, 2008, 12:01:18 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on January 07, 2008, 10:12:04 PM
Quote from: Jordis Rocks on January 07, 2008, 10:08:41 PM
Seriously, when was the last time the SCIAC had two top 25 teams?  It even looks funny to see...now let's keep it up!
In terms of the D3Hoops.com Top25 (http://www.d3hoops.com/top25/), the answer is 'never.'  In fact, by coming into the rankings at #24 this week, Cal Lu becomes the first SCIAC team not located in Eagle Rock to appear in the Top 25 at all.  Congratulations to Coach Rider and the Kingsmen!  :)
That's great news for the Kingsmen.  Congrats on the big win.  I can't wait for the two teams to lock horns at the end of this month.  Do you expect that both teams will remain in the top 25 after they meet on Janurary 26th?  (Assuming both continue to play at their current level until this matchup)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on January 08, 2008, 12:55:34 PM
Quote from: Jordis Rocks on January 07, 2008, 10:08:41 PM
Seriously, when was the last time the SCIAC had two top 25 teams?  It even looks funny to see...now let's keep it up!

It is great to see.  I'm excited about the Kingsmen's strong start, and even more impressed with Oxy's play to this point (especially given the loss of 4 starters).  I agree with Oswald in that it seems like the next real measure of perceived conference strength will be how much respect the voters show the SCIAC in the event CLU & Oxy absorb a conference loss or two (especially with Oxy opening conference play in Indiana Bob's Temple of Doom).  Teams from historically strong conferences take smaller hits in the polls after a conference loss.

Speaking of the Temple of Doom - does anyone have historical stats on home court advantage in the SCIAC?

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hoopsallthetime on January 08, 2008, 01:31:04 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 08, 2008, 12:16:31 PM
Quote from: OXY Oswald on January 08, 2008, 12:01:18 PM
Do you expect that both teams will remain in the top 25 after they meet on Janurary 26th?

First things first: Oxy has to win this Saturday in Ducey Gym aka the Temple of Doom, where the Tigers are 1-4 since 2003.

OxyBob

I agree with you Bob...If I remember right...everyone starts 0-0 in league starting Saturday night, so all the rankings pre-conference mean nothing in terms of conference play. Sure, Oxy and Cal Lu have had a tremendous season so far, but when it comes to conference play it means nothing! I look forward to watching the game Saturday Night as Oxy comes to Ducey gym to play Scalmanini's defensive squad. I remember last year when the tigers came into ducey and got whipped on both sides of the floor. Oxy's guard Whittman was talking crap to everyone on the floor including Scalmanini. I hope Whitmann is ready for Winterbottom and Soldner, because I promise you they didn't forget what he said last year!

Can Oxy win in the "Temple of Doom"
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Howlinwolf on January 08, 2008, 11:48:17 PM
CMS. I'm sure, was guilt-free in the receipt of whatever sobriquets Whitman allegedly floated its way.

If the Stags are excused  by the refs with their hyper-physical game - one reason why they fare so well at home -  then expect a competitive affair.

Let the games begin.   
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OXY Oswald on January 09, 2008, 11:38:06 AM
Quote from: cmsstag on January 08, 2008, 01:31:04 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 08, 2008, 12:16:31 PM
Quote from: OXY Oswald on January 08, 2008, 12:01:18 PM
Do you expect that both teams will remain in the top 25 after they meet on Janurary 26th?

First things first: Oxy has to win this Saturday in Ducey Gym aka the Temple of Doom, where the Tigers are 1-4 since 2003.

OxyBob

I agree with you Bob...If I remember right...everyone starts 0-0 in league starting Saturday night, so all the rankings pre-conference mean nothing in terms of conference play. Sure, Oxy and Cal Lu have had a tremendous season so far, but when it comes to conference play it means nothing! I look forward to watching the game Saturday Night as Oxy comes to Ducey gym to play Scalmanini's defensive squad. I remember last year when the tigers came into ducey and got whipped on both sides of the floor. Oxy's guard Whittman was talking crap to everyone on the floor including Scalmanini. I hope Whitmann is ready for Winterbottom and Soldner, because I promise you they didn't forget what he said last year!

Can Oxy win in the "Temple of Doom"
When you say whipped on both sides of the floor do you mean losing a close game by a reasonable margin?  CMS lost to Oxy in Eagle Rock by the same 15 point spread earlier that season.  And despite CMS' best efforts the Tigers won the conference.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on January 09, 2008, 12:53:59 PM
Despite several losses for the men in orange and black in the "Temple of Doom" i am confident that the tigers will walk away with a big victory. The boys have had tons of experience against very good times such as APU, Plattsburgh, Illinois Wesleyan and Chapman and are ready to take on CMS. With the rise of Anderson, Pitcher, Conti, Hunt, McBride, Whitman and the rest of the Oxy bench (i.e Joe Sasich and co. ) i can assure that CMS will not win this time around. Indeed it should be a fun game to watch (or listen to) but i expect the men in orange and black to have a great game against the stags. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on January 09, 2008, 09:01:42 PM
You can catch CLU coach Rich Rider's Hoopsville interview here (http://www.d3hoops.com/audio/08/hoopsville010608c.mp3).

Thanks to the Hoopsville crew for the SCIAC coverage!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on January 09, 2008, 11:51:58 PM
Note to self - next time OxyBob comes over don't serve s'mores...

True - not much on recent personnel developments.  I wonder if the Hoopsville guys were even aware of the off-season stuff.  I think we already know what there is to know about Meier & Hagen...Miller's departure (or hiatus?) remains a mystery. And Bob, I would have thought you might appreciate the CIT talk given the relatively large number of Beaver victories you've taken in over the last couple of years  ;)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciacguru on January 10, 2008, 02:54:00 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 09, 2008, 09:14:09 PM
Quote from: scandihoovian on January 09, 2008, 09:01:42 PM
You can catch CLU coach Rich Rider's Hoopsville interview

No discussion about the strengths and weaknesses of the various SCIAC teams beyond "Coach X does a great job over there at Rival College."

I guess Coach Rider has been talking with Coach Newhall and Coach Smith:

http://www.d3hoops.com/audio/07/newhall121006.mp3

http://www.d3hoops.com/audio/07/smith111906.mp3
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciacguru on January 10, 2008, 02:37:04 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 10, 2008, 11:21:50 AM
Quote from: sciacguru on January 10, 2008, 02:54:00 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 09, 2008, 09:14:09 PM
Quote from: scandihoovian on January 09, 2008, 09:01:42 PM
You can catch CLU coach Rich Rider's Hoopsville interview
No discussion about the strengths and weaknesses of the various SCIAC teams beyond "Coach X does a great job over there at Rival College."
I guess Coach Rider has been talking with Coach Newhall and Coach Smith

Thank you for proving my point.

Since all 3 SCIAC coaches, basically said the same thing in regards to the SCIAC, your point is, that David McHugh doesnt interview coaches well??

I think he has done an outstanding job helping to promote D3 athletics, especially basketball with "HOOPSVILLE".  And we are lucky that he has interviewed 3 of our SCIAC coaches, when he has 400+ other schools he can choose.
Keep up the great work Dave!!!

Besides, it looks like you have taken it upon yourself to update the SCIAC readers on the ins and outs of the SCIAC conference with your "Eye Witness Reports" and walk up interviews. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LogShow on January 10, 2008, 02:45:23 PM
Alomst everyone plays the cliche answer game when they are interviewed.  Thats the way of the world, one little slip up can result in endless criticism.  Its nice publicity in the d3 world to get a coach interviewed...I am still waiting for a coach from the NWC to get a chance :)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 10, 2008, 04:04:29 PM
Quote from: LogShow on January 10, 2008, 02:45:23 PM
Alomst everyone plays the cliche answer game when they are interviewed.  Thats the way of the world, one little slip up can result in endless criticism.  Its nice publicity in the d3 world to get a coach interviewed...I am still waiting for a coach from the NWC to get a chance :)

http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives.htm

No need to wait when you can check the archives.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pio20 on January 13, 2008, 03:09:39 AM
Interesting night in the SCIAC, as #21 Oxy lost to Claremont-Mudd-Scripps 55-42 AND #24 Cal Lutheran lost to Whittier 69-58. Whittier was up 40-25 at the half after shooting an astounding 68% from the field and 57% from three. Add 26 Cal Lutheran turnovers to that and the result is a Whittier victory.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on January 13, 2008, 03:12:27 AM
Until OB shows up with an eyewitness report, you'll have to settle for my nitwitness ones:
Whittier 69, Cal Lu 58
CMS 55, Oxy 42
P-P 76, LaVerne 58
Redlands 97, Caltech 36
Looks like the SCIAC will move quickly from two teams in the poll to none.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on January 14, 2008, 12:45:35 PM
Congrats to both CMS and the Poets for their recent wins against two good teams. From the sounds of it, the Temple of Doom really does seems to be Oxy's kryptonite. I Guess we will have to wait until Feb. 6 when the Stags come to the rock and lose to the men in orange and black.  :P
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Fear the Poet on January 15, 2008, 11:56:32 AM
never a doubt :)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on January 15, 2008, 12:17:44 PM
There was a very favorable mention of Oxy tuba players in this morning's LA Times sports section.

QuoteAnother thing. If Wooden had the time, health and youth to do so, he would spend just as much time imparting his wisdom to a tuba player from Occidental as he would to a 6-foot-10 center. If Wooden talked to Love and didn't think UCLA would be a good fit, he would have told him not to come, to go somewhere else, to join a rock band. Whatever.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on January 15, 2008, 02:56:35 PM
I would have have never expected a reporter from the times to screw up on his/her research (maybe from the Redlands newspaper), but, where exactly are these Tuba players from Oxy?????
The Last time I checked, Oxy has no marching band nor does the music department have any musical group that uses the tuba. Shame on this reporter, shame on him. (by the way, yes, i know that he was trying to be funny, but he could have asked Mr. T.J. Simers for some help on this one.) 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on January 15, 2008, 03:43:22 PM
Ahhh, thanks for the insight. I never knew Dwyre was the editor at some time. As hard is it may be to believe, I only used to read plaschke's and Simers columns during my time in high school and undergrad years. (that's what i get for being so young) ;D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 15, 2008, 04:50:58 PM
I don't think the school makes a big deal of the Wooden connection, which I understood to be at Wooden's request, and the kid isn't named Wooden, so I am not surprised that the writer didn't know.

Nor does it make the writer's statement inaccurate at all. OB is picking at nits that aren't even here.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on January 15, 2008, 08:34:21 PM
I'm going to go out on a limb and give Dwyre more credit.  I'd bet he is aware of the connection and that knowledge informed his otherwise "random" framing?

fwiw

tooth
Title: Quantum Hoops Update
Post by: Gray Fox on January 15, 2008, 09:08:25 PM
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Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on January 15, 2008, 11:38:29 PM
Quote from: Browneagle64 on January 15, 2008, 03:43:22 PM
Ahhh, thanks for the insight. I never knew Dwyre was the editor at some time. As hard is it may be to believe, I only used to read plaschke's and Simers columns during my time in high school and undergrad years. (that's what i get for being so young) ;D

BE-
Go to the library, ASAP, and check out Jim Murray's (http://thinkexist.com/quotes/jim_murray/) collection The Great Ones.  You, Oswald and the other young bucks on this board can all claim a deprived childhood as far as I am concerned - you missed the chance to read Murray in his prime.

In reading some of Dwyre's recent columns I have at times wondered if his 25 year stint as editor was an example of the Dilbert Principle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dilbert_Principle).
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Fear the Poet on January 16, 2008, 05:43:16 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 16, 2008, 11:41:01 AM
Tonight's conference schedule:

Caltech (1-11, 0-1) @ Oxy (10-2, 0-1)
Redlands (6-6, 1-0) @ Pomona (6-5, 1-0)
La Verne (6-6, 0-1) @ Cal Lutheran (10-2, 0-1)
Claremont (7-5, 1-0) @ Whittier (8-4, 1-0)

Saturday's games:

Whittier @ La Verne
Redlands @ Oxy
Cal Lutheran @ Caltech
Pomona @ Claremont

OxyBob

"Purple and Gold night" at the Don tonight.

Go Poets!!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on January 17, 2008, 11:01:49 AM
Got to see the Kingsmen play for the first time this season.  It wasn't pretty, as David Lassen pointed out in the VC Star (http://www.venturacountystar.com/news/2008/jan/17/clu-hot-and-cold-but-gets-a-victory/), but was what Cal Lu needed after the Debacle in "the Don" as FTP likes to call it.

I did not see LaVerne play last year, so I don't have a basis for comparison for Duran's last year to Reid's first.  For the most part the Leo's played hard, and seem to be buying into what their new coach wants to do.

Looks like CMS had a relatively easy time of it last night in Whittier.  It'll be very interesting to see the outcome of their meeting with the Hens on Saturday.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on January 17, 2008, 11:36:31 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 17, 2008, 10:26:47 AM
Claremont 69, Whittier 54
[Box score classified for national security reasons]

Did Nixon play?  I thought his eligibility was all used up.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on January 17, 2008, 11:51:31 AM
Quote from: David Collinge on January 17, 2008, 11:36:31 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 17, 2008, 10:26:47 AM
Claremont 69, Whittier 54
[Box score classified for national security reasons]

Did Nixon play?  I thought his eligibility was all used up.
The records were lost. :o
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Fear the Poet on January 17, 2008, 11:55:52 AM
went to my first Poet game last night and was underwhelmed. The box and one offense that they run was unimpressive. If your not shooting 65 percent from the field, your going to have a tough time winning games. Seems like they rely too much on long jumpers for my taste. I'm a football guy and prefer more work inside. No inside work to speak of. I didn't keep stats, but i think I could count the layups for the Poets on one hand. Archuleta does a good job of being pesky on defense, but overall not enough size it seems. CMS was tough on defense.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LogShow on January 17, 2008, 05:23:55 PM
Looks like there has been some shuffling going on down there in sunny So. Cal at the D1 level.  Former Puget Sound headcoach Eric Bridgeland got promoted to interim head coach at Pepperdine as Vance Walberg resigns.  This comes at the heels of a horrible blowout loss at home to Gonzaga.

here is the link:  http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=3201198
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Fear the Poet on January 17, 2008, 05:29:43 PM


The Claremont-Whittier box score has now been declassified.

CMS: Craig Borengasser 13 pts and 10 rebs, Chris Blees 20, Dan Winterbottom 14, Austin Soldner 13
WC: Mike Archuletta 14, David Hayashi 10

Defense is what CMS does best. Claremont held Whittier to 36% shooting on 18-for-50. The Stags outrebounded the Poets 33-22. Claremont shot 63% on 26-for-41. The one stand-out negative for CMS: Only 52% FTs on 12-for-23.

OxyBob
[/quote]

i guess that pretty much sums it up :)

thanks Bob!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 17, 2008, 09:21:59 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on January 17, 2008, 11:51:31 AM
Quote from: David Collinge on January 17, 2008, 11:36:31 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 17, 2008, 10:26:47 AM
Claremont 69, Whittier 54
[Box score classified for national security reasons]

Did Nixon play?  I thought his eligibility was all used up.
The records were lost. :o

There was an eighteen-minute gap in the play-by-play.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on January 17, 2008, 09:31:24 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 17, 2008, 09:21:59 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on January 17, 2008, 11:51:31 AM
Quote from: David Collinge on January 17, 2008, 11:36:31 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 17, 2008, 10:26:47 AM
Claremont 69, Whittier 54
[Box score classified for national security reasons]

Did Nixon play?  I thought his eligibility was all used up.
The records were lost. :o

There was an eighteen-minute gap in the play-by-play.
Declassified photo of Whittier scorekeeper:
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ford.utexas.edu%2Fmuseum%2Fexhibits%2Fwatergate_files%2Fimages%2Fcontent_image_3_2.jpg&hash=8bd2e8f87db136b9caa974b30f501422a5a40e64)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on January 17, 2008, 09:36:47 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on January 17, 2008, 09:31:24 PM


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Declassified photo of Whittier scorekeeper:
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ford.utexas.edu%2Fmuseum%2Fexhibits%2Fwatergate_files%2Fimages%2Fcontent_image_3_2.jpg&hash=8bd2e8f87db136b9caa974b30f501422a5a40e64)
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Is she the one at the Oxy game last year that, uh, "counted" the fouls?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on January 17, 2008, 11:04:42 PM
Thanks to you guys I am starting to understand how the Kingsmen fell victim to a Saturday Night Massacre...
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on January 20, 2008, 10:55:40 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 19, 2008, 02:38:00 PM
Cal Lutheran 70, Caltech 57

:o

...but sadly, it's not to be.  Cal Lu reports the score as 79-57, still closer than expected, but not the shocking near miss of Caltech against a conference foe recently in the national Top 25.  From a CalLu spin-spective, though, it's
Kingsmen Blast Beavers (http://www.clusports.com/)
::)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on January 20, 2008, 03:14:48 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on January 20, 2008, 10:55:40 AM
...but sadly, it's not to be.  Cal Lu reports the score as 79-57, still closer than expected, but not the shocking near miss of Caltech against a conference foe recently in the national Top 25.  From a CalLu spin-spective, though, it's
Kingsmen Blast Beavers (http://www.clusports.com/)
::)

I agree that CLU's first year SID might have chosen a better headline - but a quick read of the article and a check of the box score shows that the game wasn't as close as the final score indicated.  The starters played about 2/3 of their usual minutes and the Kingsmen had a 34 point with five minutes left.

Looks likes Kats and the Hens are up to their usual tricks, a sleepy non-conference start (which always does wonders for the national rep of the SCIAC) followed by a strong start to conference play.  That's a big win for them in the Temple of Doom.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on January 22, 2008, 12:26:30 AM
Do Pomona and Claremont have separate gyms, or do they share one? 

While I'm thinking of the Claremont Colleges, is there one school per grouping that tends to provide the athletes, or is it a good mix?  That is, are the Pomona-Pitzer players typically Pomonans, Pitzerites, or a mixture?  Same question for CMS.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on January 22, 2008, 11:51:48 AM
While the sagehens maybe on a small hot streak (and did manage to beat the stags), i still say that Oxy takes this one away by about 10 pts. From the looks of it, if the boys in orange and black pick-up their slack on defense and do not commit to much turnovers, the tigers will walk away with a W.   

btw, Bob, Take it easy on the science and math geeks. We science and math geeks do know when to have fun.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OXY Oswald on January 22, 2008, 07:04:50 PM
Are my eyes going or did some of the colors on the board change? 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on January 22, 2008, 07:06:15 PM
Quote from: OXY Oswald on January 22, 2008, 07:04:50 PM
Are my eyes going or did some of the colors on the board change? 

[*whew*]
I thought it was just me... :P
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: nwhoops1903 on January 22, 2008, 10:03:04 PM

Most of the CMS men's athletes come from Claremont McKenna College. Harvey Mudd College students tend to be science/math/social reject geeks. Scripps College is an all-girls school, so the only way a Scrippsie could make the CMS squad is if it's a guy who studied his balls off.
OxyBob
[/quote]

Hilarious.  Quit your day job.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on January 23, 2008, 01:36:37 PM
Quote from: nwhoops1903 on January 22, 2008, 10:03:04 PM

Most of the CMS men's athletes come from Claremont McKenna College. Harvey Mudd College students tend to be science/math/social reject geeks. Scripps College is an all-girls school, so the only way a Scrippsie could make the CMS squad is if it's a guy who studied his balls off.
OxyBob

Hilarious.  Quit your day job.
[/quote]

This is his day job.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on January 23, 2008, 11:19:53 PM
So I tune in to oxybroadcast.com and lo, to my surprise, I am treated to the "color man" stylings of OxyBob...

To think I've known him since post #1  :D

Nice game call, as always.

The game is all tied up about three minutes into the 2nd half.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on January 23, 2008, 11:41:56 PM
Oxy wins: 64-59.  Nice win for the Tigers at Pomona.

Thanks for the call, Craig and Bob!

The CLU website has the Kingsmen victorious over CMS 55-42.  That's a great win for the Kingsmen down in the Temple of Doom - and makes this Saturday's showdown with Oxy that much more meaningful.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LogShow on January 24, 2008, 12:17:49 AM
This board gets todays vote for the best intentional/unintentional comedy posts :D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CalCat on January 24, 2008, 10:44:36 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 24, 2008, 03:52:23 AM
Wednesday night's results:

Oxy 64, Pomona 59
OC: Connor Whitman 13, Huston Conti 19 pts, 5 rebs, 2 assists, 2 steals, 40 min played, Chris Hunt 17 pts and 9 rebs
P-P: Jabarri Reynolds 22 pts and 5 rebs, Adam Chiamowitz 14 pts 3 assists, and 6 rebs, Justin Sexton 17 pts and 9 rebs



Eyewitness report from Pomona:

I may not be the next Stu Lantz, but that was fun nonetheless. Thanks to Craig Dunkin aka tigersports for subjecting his audience to my meandering commentary.

  Bob:  I thought you wore the headset very well !  Enjoyed meeting and visiting with you.  By the way I thought the refs did and exceptional job of calling the game and letting the teams play  ;)



Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Howlinwolf on January 24, 2008, 10:59:05 AM
OB, I think you reversed the stereotypical student descriptions of Pomona and Pitzer.

Sasich, Oxy's formidable inside player who was an ideal complement to Whitman's outside shooting threat, is out for the year. A significant blow and a frustrating end to a b'ball career beset more by injuries than playing time.

Oxy will have to rely on 7-8 players and get contributions from all of them if they are to make a run at the title.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on January 24, 2008, 11:25:18 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 24, 2008, 03:52:23 AM
I may not be the next Stu Lantz, but that was fun nonetheless. Thanks to Craig Dunkin aka tigersports for subjecting his audience to my meandering commentary.

I'm sorry I missed that.  I hope you were careful always to call them the "Oxytigers!" 
[*sings to self*] Improving your life through Oxy-Bobbing...[/singing]
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on January 24, 2008, 11:59:32 AM
Here's the game writeup (http://www.clusports.com/news/4294/#4) from the CLU website.  The Kingsmen broke a nine game losing streak at the TOD.

Quote from: Howlinwolf on January 24, 2008, 10:59:05 AM
OB, I think you reversed the stereotypical student descriptions of Pomona and Pitzer.

That's my impression as well.  Isn't it the Pitzer student body that can take classes on the societal role of YouTube and the growing role of hemp in the global economy?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on January 24, 2008, 12:04:53 PM
Bob was allowed to color comment last nights Tiger-hen game? That is awesome. 1st bob quits his day job and then is suddenly picked up by Tigersports to add comments for the game; what a great move. As always great job to tigersports and bob for calling the game.
What's next, Snoop and RFB doing color commentary for the dawgs???

Btw, great win for the men in orange and black last night. However, it's sad to hear that big man Joe Sasich is out for the rest of the year (????). I hope this is not true, as Joe was definately starting to get better throughout the season and adding great support to Coach Newhall's and co.'s plans.   

Congrats to the rest of the sciac teams who also got a W last night
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on January 24, 2008, 10:14:39 PM

I don't think Joe was once a scrippse who studied "his balls off" to play at Oxy, was he???.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 25, 2008, 06:18:52 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 24, 2008, 12:25:15 PMThis comes just as Sasich was named SCIAC player of the week. From the Oxy website (http://www.oxyathletics.com/sports/mbkb/2007-08/news/012308AOWsasich) it looks like not only is Sasich out sick, but he also changed gender, which I suppose is the unkindest cut of all:

That's a gender change? O-Bob, the person in the picture to which you linked appears to be a strapping young fellow with a goatee. Not that I want to pry or anything, but are all Oxy coeds that ... uh ... severe-looking? ;) :D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TeeDub on January 25, 2008, 03:33:57 PM
obviously the write up and not the photo...I don't think it was meant as a jab at the way 'he' plays.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on January 27, 2008, 12:27:17 AM
Congratulations to the men in orange and black for their win against Cal Lu tonight. Accodring to the Oxy website tonight: Oxy edged Cal Lu 67
58. I am sure Bob wintnessed Coach Newhall and co.'s well executed game plan and intensity against a very good cal lu team.

I hope that both Bob and Scandi did find their car's still in the park lot though. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciac_is_fun on January 27, 2008, 01:34:41 AM
i found my car in the parking lot after the game :)
...along with many others.  It was a pretty good crowd there tonight - the new gym was pretty much filled out. 

I only saw the last 8-10 minutes.  When I got there Oxy led by 8.  CLU pulled within 2 at one point behind strong offensive play by Mychal Owens, who is LEGIT.  He is quite obviously more impressive (and temperate) than Meier, in my opinion. 

But a couple fortunate bounces went Oxy's way - loose balls and rebound tip-outs straight to Whitman alone at the arc, who nailed 'em.  He also had a pull up from well behind the line at the top of the key.  His shooting-including 10-10 ft-gave Oxy their comfortable margin in the last minute. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on January 27, 2008, 01:37:50 AM
I caught the last six minutes of the first half and all of second half of the Oxy-CLU game.  The Kingsmen were down five when I came in but put together a decent little run to take a two point lead into the half.  Inniss was particularly effective for CalLu during this stretch.

Oxy opened the second half strong and seized the momentum.  They limited CLU's opportunities on the perimeter and moved the ball nicely on the offensive end to score consistently.  Several different Tigers hit key shots as they built a lead that grew to eleven at one point.  Cal Lu staged a decent comeback - but at a few key moments down the stretch they came up short.  As Bob predicted, the one area CLU did well, especially during the comeback, was Owens work down low.  He had several impressive baskets as CLU pulled close. 

In the end Oxy just played a real solid game and hit nearly all of their free throws down the stretch (as sciacisfun said about Whitman ).  Nice job by the Tigers. Here's hoping Cal Lu can turn the tables in the rematch.  ;)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: EastCoastStag on January 27, 2008, 06:46:06 PM
Since no one, besides our dear OB, post or reads the in the women's forums, I will lament here. Just checked the CMS website for scores. I cannot believe the CMS ladies lost to CalTech?! Christ. One point or not. Wow.. just wow... very disappointing.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on January 30, 2008, 01:17:07 PM
Finally, there's some basketball to watch at the Rock tonight. I haven't seen the Poets play since last year and am excited to see them get out played at Rush Gym ( :P).  Here's to hoping that we have a thriller at the rock tonight.8)

FTP and Bob, will you two be attending the game tonight
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on January 30, 2008, 03:47:40 PM
So . . . with the total points scored be over or under 128?
;)

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Fear the Poet on January 30, 2008, 05:01:20 PM
Quote from: Browneagle64 l

FTP and Bob, will you two be attending the game tonight
/quote]

planned on going, but Little league for my younger son beckons..hope to catch you at the rematch.

GO POETS!



Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on January 30, 2008, 06:00:37 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 30, 2008, 04:37:22 PM
Quote from: Sabretooth Tiger on January 30, 2008, 03:47:40 PM
So . . . with the total points scored be over or under 128?

Oxy is ranked 13th in D-III in scoring defense (59.4 ppg) and Whittier is ranked 25th (61.9), so I'd take the under. FYI, the SCIAC has two teams in the Top 10 in scoring defense -- Cal Lutheran is ranked 5th (57.3) and Claremont is ranked 8th (58.1). FYFI, the national leader is Wm. Paterson (54.1).

OxyBob
Maybe it's bad offense rather than good defense.  Or,  maybe it's the style of play.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on January 31, 2008, 12:42:02 AM
It was great to see the men in orange and black come out with a big victory against a good and tough Poet B-ball team. As expected, i was glad that i had the opportunity to see both teams battling out and giving the large crowd in attendance a good game. However, in the end, the boys just outplayed and out muscled a smaller poet team.
Great game by the tigers and by finishing the game on a very strong note.
Oxy 79- Poets 60. (p.s. i am sure Bob will have a better summary and eye witness report.)

B.t.w, i'm not sure what was funnier to see at rush gym tonight: Coach Newhall at multiple times jumping up really high with excitement and yelling to McBride "great job son, keeping getting fouled", Coach Newhall yelling "X, X", or "Bob and the student section chanting for the Poets to make a lay-up".
I think i saw tooth in attendance, but, i may be wrong on this one.   ;D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on January 31, 2008, 11:40:03 AM
I don't know how many of you followed the story of Kevin Love's return to Oregon last week, but it had a number of interesting developments related to fan behavior, something we've discussed at length on this board.

If you're interested I'd suggest you start with Diane Pucin's column (http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-ucla26jan26,1,5587689.story) from last Saturday.

Then read Kurt Streeter's column  (http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-streeter31jan31,0,7351559.column?page=1)from this morning's paper.

It kills me that the Oregon official invoked the First Amendment as the primary reason school officials decided not to act as educators and deal with the students involved.

For my part I will never understand why many college students don't understand that witty and original will outclass derogatory and hateful every time.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LogShow on January 31, 2008, 12:56:57 PM
QuoteFor my part I will never understand why many college students don't understand that witty and original will outclass derogatory and hateful every time.

The explaination IMO is that the students are 1) most likely drunk 2) not creative and lazy...it is much easier to just curse then to think a witty jab.  Usually by the time that witty thought enters the brain, the moment has passed
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DIIIghetto on January 31, 2008, 01:26:58 PM
Lobby time.

Any reason why Oxy shouldn't be in the top 20?  Lots of teams with 3 and 4 losses in there.  Then you look at Plattsburg State's continued success - whom Oxy beat - and see that Wheaton is in there for their fine season (with a recent loss to a tough Ill Wesleyan, another team Oxy beat) and you start to wonder. 

Call me a conspiracy theorist but Oxy & Cal Lu's non-conference wins this year showed that the SCIAC isn't the basement.  We may not be the top floor like our west coast friends up from the NWC, but our kids are banging on that basement door and someone either opens it or we are going to bust it down. 

By the way, on the Duck comment, that student body certainly deserves criticism for going over the line, but I have to admit, when they killed Nate Robinson with the Gary Coleman chants, I was on the floor.  Unfortunately for them, Nate used it as extra motivation like Love and lead his team to a W.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on January 31, 2008, 01:48:40 PM
Ghetto-

I have been wondering the same thing...especially after getting a chance to see the Tigers play in person for the first time this year.  Their balanced scoring and solid team defense make them a tough team to beat.  Their play in the second half against CLU was some of the best D3 basketball I've seen in a while.  I think CLU has a fair chance to win the rematch, I just know they'll have to play a solid game without any lapses to do so.

The Tigers lone conference loss was at CMS on a Saturday night, which we all know is a tough setting for the visiting team to pull out a win.  It seems like in other parts of the country, where voters know more about those kinds of factors, it's easier for a top team to absorb a loss and stay in the Top 25.  I'd hate to think that CLU's aberration down at Whittier is seriously diluting the perceived strength of the conference, it seems like it may have that effect, at least with some voters.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 31, 2008, 02:47:52 PM
Quote from: DIIIghetto on January 31, 2008, 01:26:58 PM
Lobby time.

Any reason why Oxy shouldn't be in the top 20?  Lots of teams with 3 and 4 losses in there.  Then you look at Plattsburg State's continued success - whom Oxy beat - and see that Wheaton is in there for their fine season (with a recent loss to a tough Ill Wesleyan, another team Oxy beat) and you start to wonder. 

Call me a conspiracy theorist but Oxy & Cal Lu's non-conference wins this year showed that the SCIAC isn't the basement.  We may not be the top floor like our west coast friends up from the NWC, but our kids are banging on that basement door and someone either opens it or we are going to bust it down. 

I think the voters take into account the incredible, incredible homecoast advantage you have over teams coming from 2,000 to 3,000 miles away. Plattsburgh State, shoot, I'm not sure they're so darn great. Oxy gained votes this week, but not enough.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cawcdad on January 31, 2008, 02:54:59 PM
QuoteGreg Walker, a spokesman for the Oregon athletic department, acknowledged that some of the chants and signs were in poor taste. "But the other side of this is a free speech issue," Walker said. "We don't have the authority to take away signs. We don't agree with all the things that were said or that they were in the best of taste. We're aware of everything that was said and we're not always proud. But there is a right to free speech."

Some members of the Pit Crew held up signs with Kevin Love's cellphone number, and Love said he had more than 400 messages on the phone.
I think the authorities most certainly do have the authority to take away signs and to take action to behavior at their facility. There are limits to free speech. The minute it violates ones other rights, giving out cell phone number violated the right to privacy in my mind, swift action should be take. With rights come responsibility. U of O is not teaching the latter.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DIIIghetto on January 31, 2008, 03:08:40 PM
Pat, as one more knowledgeable about these snowbird games than most, I sensed a healthy dose of sarcasm when you referenced the considerable homecourt advantage in these games.   With no more than 50 people in the crowd for nearly all of those December games, it may be a stretch to call them 'neutral' games but by and large the west coast December game venues are far from intimidating.   I think the only thing intimidating is knowing how successful Oxy has been in the past 5 years and now Cal Lu at getting Ws against teams that the rest of the country would assume should get wins against a bottom-tier conference like the SCIAC.   
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 31, 2008, 04:01:45 PM
Nope, no sarcasm at all. I don't care how many people are in the stands -- traveling that far to play a game is a big deal.

Your teams don't make those kind of trips very often to really know.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 31, 2008, 04:11:25 PM
Quote from: DIIIghetto on January 31, 2008, 03:08:40 PM
Pat, as one more knowledgeable about these snowbird games than most, I sensed a healthy dose of sarcasm when you referenced the considerable homecourt advantage in these games.   With no more than 50 people in the crowd for nearly all of those December games, it may be a stretch to call them 'neutral' games but by and large the west coast December game venues are far from intimidating.   I think the only thing intimidating is knowing how successful Oxy has been in the past 5 years and now Cal Lu at getting Ws against teams that the rest of the country would assume should get wins against a bottom-tier conference like the SCIAC.   

By mentioning the 2-3,000 miles, I think Pat was referring to the travel itself (not to mention the distractions to college students suddenly out of the cold weather!), rather than the home crowds.  But let's examine those d3 non-con wins more closely:

For Cal Lu I'm assuming you're referring to North Central and Stevens Point (both at home, both in OT).  UWSP is impressive, though not as impressive as if it were on the road; NCC is from an impressive conference (CCIW), but is currently 8-10 overall, 2-5 in the conference.

For Oxy, Plattsburgh has an impressive record, but IMO is somewhat overrated (top 25, sure, but maybe not top 20); Oxy won by 5 in home area, though not at home.  And while I'm a die-hard Titan rooter, don't put too much stock in Oxy's 21-point home win vs. IWU edging Wheaton (in Bloomington); as a largely freshman team, the Titans in December were definitely not the Titans of late January.

That said, Oxy IS on my Posters' Poll ballot, and Cal Lu WAS (and is definitely on my watch list).
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on January 31, 2008, 05:33:20 PM
Quote from: Browneagle64 on January 31, 2008, 12:42:02 AM
I think i saw tooth in attendance, but, i may be wrong on this one.   ;D

You may have seen me if you had pizza with magic mushrooms for dinner or are suffering a major psychotic break.

io triumphe baby!

;D

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 31, 2008, 11:38:31 PM
OxyBob,

I love your posts!  Tell ya what, you guys fly out to Bloomington next year and we'll see what happens. ;D  (Though, I confess, this is probably a matchup where the Titans are happy to always go on the road in December.)

I in no way dissed Oxy, but, yes, the Titans are exponentially better a month later in their college careers and playing at the Shirk rather than in SoCal.  I'm just saying don't put too much stock in comparative scores against a bunch of freshmen (especially early season on the road vs. later at home).  That's all.

BTW (and remember that I posted that you guys got screwed last March), how does the denigration of the deleterious effects of long-distance travel fit with the agonized cries over getting shipped to Miss Col?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on February 01, 2008, 12:10:31 AM
What cracks me up about the travel argument is that it's basically an acknowledgment that SCIAC teams would win more postseason games if we didn't get shipped out so often.  (Note to self: make instructional YouTube video for NCAA officials on how to put LAX in the destination rather than departure box on Expedia)

More postseason wins would make us a more respected conference, give us higher rankings and allow us to host more postseason games, which would allow us to win more postseason games.

More postseason wins would make us a more respected conference, give us higher rankings and allow us to host more postseason games, which would allow us to win more postseason games.

More postseason wins would make us a more respected conference, give us higher rankings and allow us to host more postseason games, which would allow us to win more postseason games.

More postseason wins would make us a more respected conference, give us higher rankings and allow us to host more postseason games, which would allow us to win more postseason games. ;)

OK - I know that was a little annoying, but I guess that's just part of the frustration that comes with the geographical isolation between the west coast and the rest of the country when it's almost always the west coast team that gets shipped.  This is compounded by the fact that when we lose to ranked snowbirds we are told that's why we're taken lightly, when we beat the ranked snowbirds it's because they "had to" fly out here in December.  I'd love to know what factors were involved in the Stevens Point decision to schedule Cal Lu rather than Oxy, PP, or CMS.  My guess is it was supposed to be a comfortable game against a decent but not great team from a mediocre conference.  Oops...
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 01, 2008, 12:35:56 AM
Funny that the SCIAC's voter doesn't vote for any SCIAC teams, but has four WIAC teams on their ballot, along with three UAA teams, three CCIW teams ...

I find it a rare unbiased admission and kind of refreshing considering the bluster from fans in many corners, not just the SCIAC, who assume their own teams are unfairly ranked.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 01, 2008, 12:42:21 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 31, 2008, 11:59:40 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 31, 2008, 11:38:31 PM
I in no way dissed Oxy

Sure you did. You said that Plattsburgh State, a team Oxy defeated, was overrated. Then again, perhaps Oxy is underrated. Think of that.

Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 31, 2008, 11:38:31 PM
BTW (and remember that I posted that you guys got screwed last March), how does the denigration of the deleterious effects of long-distance travel fit with the agonized cries over getting shipped to Miss Col?

The beef was with the NCAA bracket pairings, and then the re-pairings, not with the plane ride. Nice try.

OxyBob

You've conveniently omitted that I also said Oxy was ON my (Posters' Poll) ballot - thinking Plattsburgh is overrated is in no way contradictory to my thinking Oxy is underrated.

But I do apologize - I forgot that the principal objection was that fiasco with the re-pairings, rather than not getting a home game (which I also thought you deserved).
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 01, 2008, 01:19:46 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 31, 2008, 09:53:59 PMWhen I go backpacking I always carry a copy of the Top 25 poll with me because it makes an excellent makeshift compass. When you take it out of your pocket it always points East.

Zing! Quip of the week, O-Bob!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LogShow on February 01, 2008, 02:05:31 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 01, 2008, 01:19:46 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 31, 2008, 09:53:59 PMWhen I go backpacking I always carry a copy of the Top 25 poll with me because it makes an excellent makeshift compass. When you take it out of your pocket it always points East.

Zing! Quip of the week, O-Bob!

Yeah, I actaully laughed out loud!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LogShow on February 01, 2008, 02:18:49 AM
Quote from: scandihoovian on February 01, 2008, 12:10:31 AM
What cracks me up about the travel argument is that it's basically an acknowledgment that SCIAC teams would win more postseason games if we didn't get shipped out so often.  (Note to self: make instructional YouTube video for NCAA officials on how to put LAX in the destination rather than departure box on Expedia)

More postseason wins would make us a more respected conference, give us higher rankings and allow us to host more postseason games, which would allow us to win more postseason games. ;)

OK - I know that was a little annoying, but I guess that's just part of the frustration that comes with the geographical isolation between the west coast and the rest of the country when it's almost always the west coast team that gets shipped.  This is compounded by the fact that when we lose to ranked snowbirds we are told that's why we're taken lightly, when we beat the ranked snowbirds it's because they "had to" fly out here in December.  I'd love to know what factors were involved in the Stevens Point decision to schedule Cal Lu rather than Oxy, PP, or CMS.  My guess is it was supposed to be a comfortable game against a decent but not great team from a mediocre conference.  Oops...

There are a couple counter arguments to that.  First off don't get me wrong, I am a west coast guy and would love for the national tourney to come out this way more often.  The way the SCIAC could host 1st round playoff games is to finish high (like 1st or 2nd) in the regional rankings.  How does that happen? well UPS did it for 3 straight years...You have to win lots of in-region games.  And having Cal-Tech and Laverne as 4 garunteed wins doesn't really help support the school's case. 
Also two of the past few years the SCIAC has gotten a home game (Pomona against Colorado College) then comes up the Pacific Northwest and gets smacked by UPS.  Thats only a 2.5 hour flight...hardly much travel.
Yes it would be nice if the 2 west coast teams didn't have to face off right away, but isn't likely.  It would be ideal if the top rated teams got to host, but at this level, thats not the first thing on the NCAA's mind.
So to wrap up this unnessicarily long and wordy post...schools on the West Coast can host playoff games, but they truely have to earn it in every sense of the word.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Titan Q on February 01, 2008, 08:47:13 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 31, 2008, 09:53:59 PM
More nonsense. What, did IWU improve exponentially in the last 30 days while Oxy remained static? I was at the Oxy-IWU game. The Tigers ran the Titans out of the gym, and thoroughly throttled them. Must have been the plane ride, I guess.

OxyBob, my old friend, I can tell you that that was by far IWU's worst performance of the year.  Oxy was very good that night, and the Titans were just awful.  Consider...

* Illinois Wesleyan lost by 3 points @ #1 Wash U -- and Wash U is a better basketball team than your Tigers, that I'm sure of.

* Two days after the blowout at Oxy, the Titans won by 9 @ Claremont-Mudd-Scripps, which is where Oxy lost by 13 just two weeks later.

* Two days ago, Illinois Wesleyan led #10 Augustana by 5 with 2:50 to go, before losing a heartbreaker -- and I'd say Augustana is just a tad better than Oxy.

* Last week, IWU beat #24 Wheaton -- and Wheaton is just about a push with Oxy.  Wheaton and Oxy are very, very similar in makeup actually.


The IWU @ Oxy game was certainly a blowout, but I wouldn't get too tied to it in drawing conclusions about Oxy vs the CCIW teams.  It's not so much that IWU "improved exponentially in the last 30 days" (although the Titans, with a different starting lineup and playing with a lot more confidence now, are playing much better), but rather that sometimes the margin in head-to-head games ends up being more or less than it should be.  It happens all the time.  (Also consider that IWU's point-guard, who averages 35 minutes per game in CCIW play and has becomes the team's 2nd or 3rd most important player, was on the floor just 14 minutes @ Oxy due to severe foul trouble.)  Bottom line, the Tigers are not 21 points better than the Titans.

I am a voter in the D3Hoops.com poll, and I had Oxy #15 on my ballot this week, with the Tigers right around four CCIW teams (Augustana, Elmhurst, Carthage, Wheaton).  Occidental really impressed me and I think they'd be right in the middle of the CCIW title chase this year.  I do understand why other voters, who haven't seen Oxy, are still hesitant though.  Had your Tigers won @ CMS, they'd be ranked, and ranked pretty high actually.  The reality is, when you're trying to gain respect, you have to beat teams you are better than, and Oxy is better than CMS.

Keep winning and your boys will be in the poll very soon.  As I said during our broadast out there, I really think Oxy can do some damage in the NCAA tournament behind Whitman and that nice size you have.  Best of luck to the Tigers.


PS  9 inches of snow here in Bloomington, IL today - I'm ready to head back to Oxy for another beating.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on February 01, 2008, 11:27:04 AM
Quote from: LogShow on February 01, 2008, 02:18:49 AM
How does that happen? well UPS did it for 3 straight years...You have to win lots of in-region games.  And having Cal-Tech and Laverne as 4 garunteed wins doesn't really help support the school's case. 
Also two of the past few years the SCIAC has gotten a home game (Pomona against Colorado College) then comes up the Pacific Northwest and gets smacked by UPS.  Thats only a 2.5 hour flight...hardly much travel.

Fair enough.  Which is why I'm hopeful that some of our non-conference success this year will pay off (yes I know that IWU and Plattsburgh are not in our region) but at least they are wins against good D3 teams people know instead of SoCal NAIA teams people are less familiar with.


Quote from: Titan Q on February 01, 2008, 08:47:13 AM
OxyBob, my old friend, I can tell you that that was by far IWU's worst performance of the year.  Oxy was very good that night, and the Titans were just awful.  Consider...

Titan Q-
I know the CCIW is a strong conference, and I've been very impressed with IWU when I've seen them play in person.  The irony here is that for years the rap on the SCIAC is that "we never beat anybody outside the conference."  This year both CLU and Oxy have quality non-conference wins, and now we are presented with a variety of arguments as to why those wins aren't meaningful.  True - Oxy lost to CMS.  But it seems to me that are other conferences in which a team can absorb a loss like that without a serious hit to their poll position.

As for the snow, well I did have some frost on my front lawn this morning  :)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LogShow on February 01, 2008, 12:01:51 PM
QuoteFair enough.  Which is why I'm hopeful that some of our non-conference success this year will pay off (yes I know that IWU and Plattsburgh are not in our region) but at least they are wins against good D3 teams people know instead of SoCal NAIA teams people are less familiar with.

I might be mistaken, but I thought a rule was passed a couple years ago that allowed for the schools to designate 2 games as "in-region"  (that are really out of region) to get teams for ventrue out and travel more
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LogShow on February 01, 2008, 01:06:41 PM
I can already tell this board is going to be very entertaining today!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 01, 2008, 01:09:50 PM
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Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 01, 2008, 01:13:27 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 01, 2008, 12:23:47 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 31, 2008, 04:11:25 PM
By mentioning the 2-3,000 miles, I think Pat was referring to the travel itself (not to mention the distractions to college students suddenly out of the cold weather!)

Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 31, 2008, 04:11:25 PM
as a largely freshman team, the Titans in December were definitely not the Titans of late January.

Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 31, 2008, 11:38:31 PM
yes, the Titans are exponentially better a month later in their college careers and playing at the Shirk rather than in SoCal. 

Translation: The young pups of IWU, just past puberty and barely able to shave, boarded a rickety, old DC-3 and made the long journey from Illinois to California. And what a harrowing journey! With one of the two prop engines having failed, and the other badly leaking oil, and after suffering for hours of tedious flight, buffeted by high winds and air sick from turbulence, the Titan youngsters emerged on the tarmac, barely able to stand the icy chill of the 70 degree weather. Despite the horrible travel conditions they just endured, the Titans made their way to Oxy and made a game effort, losing by only 21, though looking back now it certainly was their worst game of the year (in a vacuum, of course, since Oxy could have had *nothing* to do with IWU's lousy play that night), and don't forget that their point guard was in foul trouble, and besides since then (a whole 30 days later) they've matured and grown into strong men not the mere boys Oxy played.

How's that for fiction?

OxyBob

Now, now, you've got to read my posts better before satirizing them!  I said "out of the cold", not 'out in the cold' - how can you expect a bunch of Illinois teenagers, suddenly cast into what passes for summer in December, to concentrate on basketball?! ;D

More seriously, I don't know if 30 days has matured them from callow youth to grown men in general, but if freshmen are not a whole lot better by their 17th college game than their 8th, they are not the recruits we thought we were getting.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: UPSoundLogs on February 01, 2008, 01:21:26 PM
"When I go backpacking I always carry a copy of the Top 25 poll with me because it makes an excellent makeshift compass. When you take it out of your pocket it always points East."
-oxybob


"Yeah, I actaully laughed out loud!"
-Logshow


Ditto!!!!   Hahahaha!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Titan Q on February 01, 2008, 02:50:11 PM
Bob, my points were pretty simple and harmless (I thought)...

1) There is evidence that suggests IWU can play with, and beat, good basketball teams - teams as good as Oxy.

2) When I said, "Had your Tigers won @ CMS, they'd be ranked, and ranked pretty high actually.  The reality is, when you're trying to gain respect, you have to beat teams you are better than, and Oxy is better than CMS", I was talking about the simple realities of the Top 25 poll.  Heading into that game, Occidental was ranked #21 (Week 6 poll).  After the loss, they went from 128 poll points to 32 points, dropping out (and the Tigers haven't reappeared yet).  Had they won the CMS game, the Tigers would sitting about #15 right now.

I agree very much with scandihoovian, who said, "But it seems to me that are other conferences in which a team can absorb a loss like that without a serious hit to their poll position."  That was what I was hinting at.  Occidental is not UW-Stevens Point or Wooster or Hope, where a tough road loss in the conference is "forgiven."  That is why I said, "When you are trying to gain respect...", because the Tigers aren't going to be given any free passes.  It doesn't mean it's right or that I agree with it, but it is a reality.  As I posted on CCIW Chat on January 13:

Quote from: Titan Q on January 14, 2008, 10:25:33 PM
Quote from: devildog29 on January 14, 2008, 05:09:07 PM
Quote from: Titan Q on January 13, 2008, 03:04:23 AM
IWU fans on the L.A. trip might be interested to know that Claremont-Mudd-Scripps beat Occidental tonight 55-42 (@ CMS).

This seems pretty amazing.  I know it's tough to win on the road, but from the two games I saw out here, I thought Oxy was clearly a much better team than Claremont.  I'm not trying to compare scores of the two IWU games (the Titans shot horribly against Oxy which contributed to such a lopsided score), but I thought Oxy's inside-outside combination was tough to beat.  Q, I know we even said we thought Oxy could probably compete for the CCIW championship this year.  Any given night I guess.

Occidental is a lot better basketball team than Claremont-Mudd-Scripps - and I do think they would contend for the CCIW title this year - but that result didn't surprise me that much.  Much like a less talented Hanover team can beat anybody on any given night, I'd imagine CMS pulls off its share of "upsets" (especially at home) with their incredibly physical style and great defense. 

On the season, CMS opponents are averaging 59.8 ppg, are shooting .416 from the field, and have 114 assists to 180 turnovers.  Those numbers probably stack up favorably with the best defensive teams in the country.  It's just hard to score 60 points against that team.

Former #21 Occidental fell out of the Top 25 this week (128 poll points in Week 6...32 points this week) after losing a tough conference road game in a gym they haven't won at in 5 years.  I was disappointed to see that.  They're a better team than some of those in the poll.  I think the Occidentals of Division III are almost in the same boat as the DI "mid-majors" - they have a hard time gaining respect, and when they do, it doesn't take much to lose it.


As I have stated numerous times on Hoopsville this year that I think Occidental is a very good team.  And as I just posted on the Top 25 board on Jan. 28:

Quote from: Titan Q on January 28, 2008, 08:55:59 PM
This is about as much parity as I can recall in Division III.  I have seen #1 Wash U, #10 Augustana, #21 Elmhurst, #24 Wheaton, and top "ORV" Occidental, and there just isn't a heck of a lot of separation there at all. 


If you are trying to pick a fight with someone who is disrespecting Occidental, or does not understand the position your alma mater is in in gaining respect, I think you've got the wrong guy.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Titan Q on February 01, 2008, 02:56:44 PM
Quote from: scandihoovian on February 01, 2008, 11:27:04 AM
Fair enough.  Which is why I'm hopeful that some of our non-conference success this year will pay off (yes I know that IWU and Plattsburgh are not in our region) but at least they are wins against good D3 teams people know instead of SoCal NAIA teams people are less familiar with.

The IWU/Occidental game was "in-region" for both teams...Illinios and California are in the same administrative region. 

Three factors can make a game "in-region"...

1) Obviously being in the same region (West, Midwest, etc).
2) Being within 200 miles, campus to campus.
3) Being in the same administrative region.

Page 15:

2008 D3 Championship Handbook (http://www.ncaa.org/library/handbooks/basketball/2008/2008_d3_m_basketball_handbook.pdf)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciacguru on February 01, 2008, 03:22:02 PM
Quote from: Titan Q on February 01, 2008, 02:50:11 PM
Bob, my points were pretty simple and harmless (I thought)...
2) When I said, "Had your Tigers won @ CMS, they'd be ranked, and ranked pretty high actually.  The reality is, when you're trying to gain respect, you have to beat teams you are better than, and Oxy is better than CMS", I was talking about the simple realities of the Top 25 poll.  Heading into that game, Occidental was ranked #21 (Week 6 poll).  After the loss, they went from 128 poll points to 32 points, dropping out (and the Tigers haven't reappeared yet).  Had they won the CMS game, the Tigers would sitting about #15 right now.

I guess we should be discussing who is better in this scenario:
Claremont (SCIAC) vs North Park (CCIW)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on February 01, 2008, 05:16:22 PM
The Oxy loss to CMS is probably best explained by the 34 mile trip to play the game. :'(

Shortened link to map (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&hl=en&geocode=&saddr=1600+Campus+Road,+Los+Angeles,+CA+90041&daddr=500+East+9th+Street,+claremont,+ca&sll=33.950765,-118.051529&sspn=0.412947,0.63858&ie=UTF8&ll=34.127721,-117.968445&spn=0.412086,0.63858&z=11&om=1)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DIIIghetto on February 01, 2008, 05:42:27 PM
OB, thanks for the comic relief today.  Much appreciated.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LogShow on February 01, 2008, 06:10:25 PM
QuoteI think the Oxy team bus missed the Claremont exit and they instead ended up in Denver, which is a 2,000 round trip. Lucky they got back before game time.

OxyBob

He will be preforming here all week ladies and gentlemen...don't forget to tip your server
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on February 01, 2008, 06:16:41 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on February 01, 2008, 05:16:22 PM
The Oxy loss to CMS is probably best explained by the 34 mile trip to play the game. :'(

Shortened link to map (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&hl=en&geocode=&saddr=1600+Campus+Road,+Los+Angeles,+CA+90041&daddr=500+East+9th+Street,+claremont,+ca&sll=33.950765,-118.051529&sspn=0.412947,0.63858&ie=UTF8&ll=34.127721,-117.968445&spn=0.412086,0.63858&z=11&om=1)

There have been times when I was stuck on the freeway (http://www.sigalert.com/map.asp?Region=LA+East) between Eagle Rock and Claremont and wished I was on a plane flying in from the Midwest.  ;)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OXY Oswald on February 01, 2008, 06:48:24 PM
Quote from: scandihoovian on February 01, 2008, 06:16:41 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on February 01, 2008, 05:16:22 PM
The Oxy loss to CMS is probably best explained by the 34 mile trip to play the game. :'(

Shortened link to map (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&hl=en&geocode=&saddr=1600+Campus+Road,+Los+Angeles,+CA+90041&daddr=500+East+9th+Street,+claremont,+ca&sll=33.950765,-118.051529&sspn=0.412947,0.63858&ie=UTF8&ll=34.127721,-117.968445&spn=0.412086,0.63858&z=11&om=1)

There have been times when I was stuck on the freeway (http://www.sigalert.com/map.asp?Region=LA+East) between Eagle Rock and Clarement and wished I was on a plane flying in from the Midwest.  ;)

Truer words have never been spoken.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 01, 2008, 11:07:16 PM
Quote from: LogShow on February 01, 2008, 12:01:51 PM
QuoteFair enough.  Which is why I'm hopeful that some of our non-conference success this year will pay off (yes I know that IWU and Plattsburgh are not in our region) but at least they are wins against good D3 teams people know instead of SoCal NAIA teams people are less familiar with.

I might be mistaken, but I thought a rule was passed a couple years ago that allowed for the schools to designate 2 games as "in-region"  (that are really out of region) to get teams for ventrue out and travel more

No such rule exists. There was an effort made at the D3 Convention two years ago to have all D3 games played when school was not in session for a week or more counted as regional games, but that did not pass.

Quote from: sciacguru on February 01, 2008, 03:22:02 PM
Quote from: Titan Q on February 01, 2008, 02:50:11 PM
Bob, my points were pretty simple and harmless (I thought)...
2) When I said, "Had your Tigers won @ CMS, they'd be ranked, and ranked pretty high actually.  The reality is, when you're trying to gain respect, you have to beat teams you are better than, and Oxy is better than CMS", I was talking about the simple realities of the Top 25 poll.  Heading into that game, Occidental was ranked #21 (Week 6 poll).  After the loss, they went from 128 poll points to 32 points, dropping out (and the Tigers haven't reappeared yet).  Had they won the CMS game, the Tigers would sitting about #15 right now.

I guess we should be discussing who is better in this scenario:
Claremont (SCIAC) vs North Park (CCIW)

I'm not following your line of reasoning here, sciacguru. Are you implying that the SCIAC and CCIW should be measured against each other by virtue of the comparative strengths of the two teams in the pack that pulled off upsets of the respective league leaders? If so, then it seems to me that you're comparing apples and rutabagas. Oxy only has that one loss to CMS on its SCIAC resume to date, whereas Carthage has two CCIW losses -- one to Wheaton and one to North Park. Furthermore, those respective losses to CMS and to NPU are different in kind, as Oxy's loss was at CMS while Carthage's loss to NPU was on the home floor of the Red Men.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 02, 2008, 12:49:55 AM
Quote from: Titan Q on February 01, 2008, 08:47:13 AM
I do understand why other voters, who haven't seen Oxy, are still hesitant though. 

Especially since at least one who has seen Oxy is hesitant.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on February 02, 2008, 02:46:21 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 01, 2008, 12:35:56 AM
Funny that the SCIAC's voter doesn't vote for any SCIAC teams, but has four WIAC teams on their ballot, along with three UAA teams, three CCIW teams ...

I find it a rare unbiased admission and kind of refreshing considering the bluster from fans in many corners, not just the SCIAC, who assume their own teams are unfairly ranked.

Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 02, 2008, 12:49:55 AM
Quote from: Titan Q on February 01, 2008, 08:47:13 AM
I do understand why other voters, who haven't seen Oxy, are still hesitant though. 
Especially since at least one who has seen Oxy is hesitant.

Pat-
I am an admitted SCIAC homer with a marked tendency for blustering.

With those facts duly acknowledged, I am confused by the argument made in these posts.  We are supposed to assume that the SCIAC voter is extra credible because they leave an Oxy team they have seen off of their ballot, while they include a number of teams from other conferences who they very likely have not seen play? 

It seems to me that, by making assumptions about the supposed quality of these teams from other parts of the country without actually seeing them play, it's very likely this particular voter has fallen victim to the scourge of East Coast bias that we SCIAC folks love to complain about.

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciacguru on February 02, 2008, 03:46:04 PM
Quote from: DIIIghetto on January 31, 2008, 01:26:58 PM
Lobby time.

Any reason why Oxy shouldn't be in the top 20?  Lots of teams with 3 and 4 losses in there.  Then you look at Plattsburg State's continued success - whom Oxy beat - and see that Wheaton is in there for their fine season (with a recent loss to a tough Ill Wesleyan, another team Oxy beat) and you start to wonder. 

Call me a conspiracy theorist but Oxy & Cal Lu's non-conference wins this year showed that the SCIAC isn't the basement.  We may not be the top floor like our west coast friends up from the NWC, but our kids are banging on that basement door and someone either opens it or we are going to bust it down. 

By the way, on the Duck comment, that student body certainly deserves criticism for going over the line, but I have to admit, when they killed Nate Robinson with the Gary Coleman chants, I was on the floor.  Unfortunately for them, Nate used it as extra motivation like Love and lead his team to a W.
Quote from: scandihoovian on January 31, 2008, 01:48:40 PM
Ghetto-

I have been wondering the same thing...especially after getting a chance to see the Tigers play in person for the first time this year.  Their balanced scoring and solid team defense make them a tough team to beat.  Their play in the second half against CLU was some of the best D3 basketball I've seen in a while.  I think CLU has a fair chance to win the rematch, I just know they'll have to play a solid game without any lapses to do so.

The Tigers lone conference loss was at CMS on a Saturday night, which we all know is a tough setting for the visiting team to pull out a win.  It seems like in other parts of the country, where voters know more about those kinds of factors, it's easier for a top team to absorb a loss and stay in the Top 25.  I'd hate to think that CLU's aberration down at Whittier is seriously diluting the perceived strength of the conference, it seems like it may have that effect, at least with some voters.

My thinking spawned from these earlier discussions.  Oxy loses their conference opener on the road to CMS (their only D3 loss), and falls out of the Top 25, as they should.  But having won 5 straight since, I thought they deserved to be back in.

As this became a comparitive score debate with wins over the CCIW, I thought I would bring North Park into the picture. And to keep this about the top 25, lets leave Carthage out of it since they are not in the top 25.  But the co-leader of the CCIW with Carthage is....Augustana.  Augustana (#5 at the time) lost their conference opener @ North Park.
http://d3hoops.com/notables.php?page=4

Augustana dropped from #5 to #9,  then to #12 after losing to Carthage, now back to #10 after winning 3 consecutive games over the bottom tier conference teams.  Both losses to North Park and Carthage were to non-Top 25 teams. 

So I believe scandi and ghetto have vaild concerns why Oxy is not getting stronger consideration for the Top 25.

How do you like them apples?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 02, 2008, 06:07:50 PM
"them apples" taste awfully similar to "sour grapes". :D  (Before you smite either me or my MUCH younger fellow alum, Q, bear in mind that we both ARE voting for Oxy [him, officially; me in the Posters' Poll.)

With no disrespect, I hope you are not comparing the "bottom tier" CCIW wins of Augie to the bottom tier of the SCIAC (especially since one of those "bottom tier" wins was over IWU, who has been used as a plus for Oxy)!

Rightly or wrongly, a team (or conference) without a history of success will have a harder time gaining respect (and will lose it more quickly) than a team (or conference) that has proven itself with long-term performance.  And moreover, their schedule will more readily be dismissed until the teams (or conferences) on it have proven themselves.  It may be right, it may be wrong, but it is what it is.

BTW, I realize that Scandihoovian may consider everything east of Las Vegas to be East Co(a)st, but not many of us in the CCIW do! ;D

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on February 02, 2008, 06:29:56 PM
Fear not, Mr. Ypsi!

I am much more geographically aware than the average Californian.  I know full well that you hit the the East coast right after crossing the Rockies... ;) ;D

I am actually pretty familiar with the CCIW through many family connections to Augustana.  I still have lots of family in IL, and I know that when I am standing on a beach in Chicago I am looking at Lake Michigan and not the Atlantic Ocean.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 02, 2008, 06:54:50 PM
Quote from: scandihoovian on February 02, 2008, 06:29:56 PM
Fear not, Mr. Ypsi!

I am much more geographically aware than the average Californian.  I know full well that you hit the the east coast (thanks for catching my typo) right after crossing the Rockies... ;) ;D

I am actually pretty familiar with the CCIW through many family connections to Augustana.  I still have lots of family in IL, and I know that when I am standing on a beach in Chicago I am looking at Lake Michigan, and not the Atlantic Ocean.

Oh, the quandary!  Now I don't know whether to hold you in higher respect, or in utter contempt! ;D

Since IWU and Augie are not the most bitter of rivals, I guess I'll go with more respect for a fellow Illinoisian (I was born and raised in Peoria, but after graduating IWU went the other direction and have been a Michigander for closing in on 4 decades).
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LogShow on February 02, 2008, 08:51:38 PM
QuoteThe Posters' Poll? Isn't that the one where one of the voters doesn't even have Puget Sound -- one of the most exciting, dynamic, entertaining and talented teams around

Thats a heck of a compliment about Puget Sound Bob, thanks for appreciating the work and effort Puget Sound puts into its brand of basketball!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 02, 2008, 09:42:24 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 02, 2008, 06:53:49 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on February 02, 2008, 06:07:50 PM
(Before you smite either me or my MUCH younger fellow alum, Q, bear in mind that we both ARE voting for Oxy [him, officially; me in the Posters' Poll.)

The Posters' Poll? Isn't that the one where one of the voters doesn't even have Puget Sound -- one of the most exciting, dynamic, entertaining and talented teams around -- on his ballot? Yeah, right, that's a credible poll.

Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on February 02, 2008, 06:07:50 PM
Rightly or wrongly, a team (or conference) without a history of success will have a harder time gaining respect (and will lose it more quickly) than a team (or conference) that has proven itself with long-term performance.  And moreover, their schedule will more readily be dismissed until the teams (or conferences) on it have proven themselves.  It may be right, it may be wrong, but it is what it is.

Of all the condescending, uppity and patronizing statements I've read from a guy whose team is a middling 10-8 overall and 4-3 in conference, that one was the most recent.

OxyBob

OB, you might want to rethink this (most recent) "condescending, etc." riposte.

Oxy in IN the top 25 in the Posters' Poll (but not in the real poll).

My 'middling' team is not.

You're right - the PP probably has no credibility! ;D 

(Fortunately, that is not a claim I ever made for it. ;))
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 02, 2008, 10:49:15 PM
BTW, sciacguru, IWU beat Carthage tonite and is now tied with them for 2nd place in the CCIW - "bottom tier", indeed! :o

Not sure what this does for your overall argument, since you also talked about Carthage.  Since Oxy thumped my Titans by 21, I imagine it is a net plus.  I'll let it slide this time, but any further dissing of my Titans and I reach for the 'smite' button!  ["bottom tier" - ptooey! ::) ;)] 

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on February 03, 2008, 12:41:10 AM
Nice win for the Kingsmen down at Rains.  Looks like CMS had their hands full at Redlands.  No surprise that Oxy held serve against ULV, but I'd be interested to hear Bob's impressions of the Leos if he made the game.

Should be a fun second half of conference play!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LogShow on February 03, 2008, 03:46:17 AM
Quote from: LogShow on February 02, 2008, 08:51:38 PM
QuoteThe Posters' Poll? Isn't that the one where one of the voters doesn't even have Puget Sound -- one of the most exciting, dynamic, entertaining and talented teams around

Thats a heck of a compliment about Puget Sound Bob, thanks for appreciating the work and effort Puget Sound puts into its brand of basketball!

The minute a team gets a compliment like that they go out and give the most uninspired preformance I have seen in years...disheartening
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on February 03, 2008, 12:19:51 PM
I caught a bit of Bob's work as a color man last night.  As soon as he grows several more inches, he will almost be as good as Bill Walton. ;D

Nice win for G. Fox over UPS. :P
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciacguru on February 03, 2008, 03:43:13 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on February 02, 2008, 06:07:50 PM
"them apples" taste awfully similar to "sour grapes". :D  (Before you smite either me or my MUCH younger fellow alum, Q, bear in mind that we both ARE voting for Oxy [him, officially; me in the Posters' Poll.)

With no disrespect, I hope you are not comparing the "bottom tier" CCIW wins of Augie to the bottom tier of the SCIAC (especially since one of those "bottom tier" wins was over IWU, who has been used as a plus for Oxy)!

Rightly or wrongly, a team (or conference) without a history of success will have a harder time gaining respect (and will lose it more quickly) than a team (or conference) that has proven itself with long-term performance.  And moreover, their schedule will more readily be dismissed until the teams (or conferences) on it have proven themselves.  It may be right, it may be wrong, but it is what it is.

I apologize for hurting your delicate, sensitive nature about your beloved Titans.  It was not my intention, they just got caught in the crossfire.  I understand "it is what it is" and that the CCIW has earned the respect, through years of producing some of the best D3 basketball.  I just wanted to make notice of winning and/or losing to earning and losing pts in the Top 25, and how Oxy has been shafted the past 2 weeks.  Things may change this week as there have been some losses in the Top 25 this weekend giving Oxy a ray of hope.

Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on February 02, 2008, 10:49:15 PM
BTW, sciacguru, IWU beat Carthage tonite and is now tied with them for 2nd place in the CCIW - "bottom tier", indeed! :o

Not sure what this does for your overall argument, since you also talked about Carthage.  Since Oxy thumped my Titans by 21, I imagine it is a net plus.  I'll let it slide this time, but any further dissing of my Titans and I reach for the 'smite' button!  ["bottom tier" - ptooey!]

In actuality, I didnt talk about Carthage, I stressed Augustana, but Wheaton's loss to North Central does support my debate, wouldnt you think?  Now, let's see if Wheaton falls out of the top 25.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Titan Q on February 03, 2008, 04:28:49 PM
Quote from: sciacguru on February 03, 2008, 03:43:13 PM
In actuality, I didnt talk about Carthage, I stressed Augustana, but Wheaton's loss to North Central does support my debate, wouldnt you think?  Now, let's see if Wheaton falls out of the top 25.

Having seen both Oxy and Wheaton, I think they are extremely similar and pretty even in terms of rankings.  Overall, I'd say Oxy is better, but just by a tad.  Oxy has more size down low.

I'd love to see Kent Raymond (22.7 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 4.5 apg) and Connor Whitman (17.9 ppg, 4.7 rpg, 2.4 apg) go at it!

Interestingly, Massey has Wheaton #31 and Oxy #33, but that's a couple games behind...

http://www.mratings.com/rate.php?lg=cb&sub=III&mid=1
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 03, 2008, 05:38:26 PM
Quote from: sciacguru on February 03, 2008, 03:43:13 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on February 02, 2008, 06:07:50 PM
"them apples" taste awfully similar to "sour grapes". :D  (Before you smite either me or my MUCH younger fellow alum, Q, bear in mind that we both ARE voting for Oxy [him, officially; me in the Posters' Poll.)

With no disrespect, I hope you are not comparing the "bottom tier" CCIW wins of Augie to the bottom tier of the SCIAC (especially since one of those "bottom tier" wins was over IWU, who has been used as a plus for Oxy)!

Rightly or wrongly, a team (or conference) without a history of success will have a harder time gaining respect (and will lose it more quickly) than a team (or conference) that has proven itself with long-term performance.  And moreover, their schedule will more readily be dismissed until the teams (or conferences) on it have proven themselves.  It may be right, it may be wrong, but it is what it is.

I apologize for hurting your delicate, sensitive nature about your beloved Titans.  It was not my intention, they just got caught in the crossfire.  I understand "it is what it is" and that the CCIW has earned the respect, through years of producing some of the best D3 basketball.  I just wanted to make notice of winning and/or losing to earning and losing pts in the Top 25, and how Oxy has been shafted the past 2 weeks.  Things may change this week as there have been some losses in the Top 25 this weekend giving Oxy a ray of hope.

Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on February 02, 2008, 10:49:15 PM
BTW, sciacguru, IWU beat Carthage tonite and is now tied with them for 2nd place in the CCIW - "bottom tier", indeed! :o

Not sure what this does for your overall argument, since you also talked about Carthage.  Since Oxy thumped my Titans by 21, I imagine it is a net plus.  I'll let it slide this time, but any further dissing of my Titans and I reach for the 'smite' button!  ["bottom tier" - ptooey!]

In actuality, I didnt talk about Carthage, I stressed Augustana, but Wheaton's loss to North Central does support my debate, wouldnt you think?  Now, let's see if Wheaton falls out of the top 25.

My apology for reacting in a "delicate,sensitive nature" sort of way! :-[  Last year's 7th place finish was by far the worst IWU performance in the 60+ year history of the CCIW (they had never before finished below 5th, and have more titles than the next two teams combined).  I've been 'testy' ever since; 'bottom tier' pushed me over the brink! :P  (I also apologize for conflating the posts of other SCIAC posters with yours re: Carthage.)

Wheaton's loss to NCC (6th straight, though Wheaton has probably been the better team for the last four) is very reminiscent of Oxy's inability to beat an 'inferior' CMS team 5 straight times on their court.  This is the sort of 'hex' that voters outside the area will probably be unaware of.  While I (and Q) have had Oxy in the top 25 throughout, I think they will return there this week.

And I am still awaiting OxyBob's latest "condescending, uppity and patronizing" riposte! ;D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 03, 2008, 08:09:33 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 03, 2008, 07:59:18 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on February 03, 2008, 05:38:26 PM
And I am still awaiting OxyBob's latest "condescending, uppity and patronizing" riposte!

You're still here? It's over. Go home. Go! (http://www.geocities.com/jtrevolt/gohome.wav)

OxyBueller

Nice!  Vicious and cruel, but nice, ;D

Being the saintly person I am, I'll vote for Oxy anyway. ::)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 04, 2008, 05:54:09 AM
Quote from: scandihoovian on February 02, 2008, 06:29:56 PMI am actually pretty familiar with the CCIW through many family connections to Augustana.  I still have lots of family in IL, and I know that when I am standing on a beach in Chicago I am looking at Lake Michigan and not the Atlantic Ocean.

Not necessarily. You could be standing on a beach in Chicago and looking at Lake Calumet, in which case I hope that you're wearing full protective hazardous-waste gear and are fully up-to-date with your inoculations. ;)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 04, 2008, 09:29:25 PM
Hey, leave me out of this!  :)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 04, 2008, 10:06:06 PM
Oxy re-enters the poll (at #20!), and OB is still bitchin'! ;D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 04, 2008, 11:10:21 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 04, 2008, 10:13:28 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on February 04, 2008, 10:06:06 PM
Oxy re-enters the poll (at #20!), and OB is still bitchin'!

Yeah, and Oxy only had to win 15 out of 16 to do it.

OxyBob

Also known as six out of seven.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciacguru on February 05, 2008, 12:42:38 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 04, 2008, 11:10:21 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 04, 2008, 10:13:28 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on February 04, 2008, 10:06:06 PM
Oxy re-enters the poll (at #20!), and OB is still bitchin'!
Yeah, and Oxy only had to win 15 out of 16 to do it.

OxyBob

Also known as six out of seven.
Oxy has to win 15 of 16, or 6 of 7, or 6 in a row to break Top 20.  When they were top 25 before, they lose one game 3 wks ago, the conference opener, at a tough venue in CMS, and cant seem to get back in  til now.  Doesnt seem to be the norm when you lose....................

Wheaton loses 4 of last 7 - Now out of Top 25
Elmhurst loses 4 of last 7  - Just hanging on to 25
UW-Oshkosh loses 4 of last 8 - Sitting at 24 (now they did lose to Top 25 teams)
except.......
Williams loses 3 in a row - Out from #13 (only one I 100% agree with)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 05, 2008, 12:54:54 AM
You mention UW-O lost to ranked teams but so did Wheaton (beat a ranked team and lost to a ranked team) and Elmhurst (lost three games to ranked teams).

Merely losing doesn't mean you drop out of the ranking. After nine years of our poll most people have figured this out. If you lose to a better team then often you stay pretty much in place, depending on what else happens around you.

I apologize -- I wasn't aware the conference OPENER had some special sacrosanct status that we should bow down to.

So it's road games.
Rivalry games.
Conference openers.
... what other games do we excuse now? Hmm?

Elmhurst is a lot like Occidental, by the way -- win against Illinois Wesleyan, win against a ranked team on a neutral floor. Except, of course, Elmhurst's win is against Hope. And it's on a truly neutral floor, a thousand miles away from each school rather than a neutral floor in your metro area.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OXY Oswald on February 05, 2008, 11:26:13 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 04, 2008, 11:10:21 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 04, 2008, 10:13:28 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on February 04, 2008, 10:06:06 PM
Oxy re-enters the poll (at #20!), and OB is still bitchin'!

Yeah, and Oxy only had to win 15 out of 16 to do it.

OxyBob

Also known as six out of seven.
Carry the 2.... yeah that sounds about right. I was never very good at reducing my fractions.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TeeDub on February 05, 2008, 11:35:44 AM
The pollsters were obviously waiting to place Oxy back into the top 25 right before the rematch game against CMS.  Can CMS bump Oxy out of the poll twice in one year?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DIIIghetto on February 05, 2008, 01:37:39 PM
Congrats to the Tigers for getting back to where they belong.  Great to see the SCIAC rising up from the DIII ghetto.  An Oxy friend at the gym told me the other day that he heard his alma mater gives the Men's program an annual budget of about $12k and that number includes what has to be paid out to the assistants.  If my friend is even remotely close, all I can say is double congrats to the Tiger staff for getting so much done with so little.   I wonder how that figure compares to Ill. Wesleyan, UWSP and for that matter, other teams in the top 20.  Hard for me to imagine that there is another team accomplishing so much with so little financial support from the school. 

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DIIIghetto on February 06, 2008, 03:02:24 PM
OB, your compass comment still has me chuckling.  I was happy to see Oxy at #20 this week.  Nice to know you have to go 17-2 to get that kind of recognition for the SCIAC.  Nice for Cal Lu to go 15-3, with a defining W against Wisc SP, only to get as many votes as a team tied for 4th in the mighty, mighty NESCAC.   
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on February 06, 2008, 06:32:31 PM
We'll be there for the game tonight.  You may even get to hear OxyBob again!  www.oxybroadcast.com.

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 06, 2008, 06:33:30 PM
Go win a game in March sometime, I guess. Been a while since your Salem pavers team played.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DIIIghetto on February 06, 2008, 07:36:21 PM
PC, true dat.   Ain't nothing like March wins. 

Please refresh my recollection of when Middlebury last won a game in March.   Was it earlier than Cal Lu's last March win? 

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 06, 2008, 07:40:21 PM
They have fewer votes than Oxy and the same number of postseason wins in the past five seasons as Cal Lu. Not sure what you're getting at there.

Go get it done. Quit yapping about your poor underappreciated selves and force us to appreciate you! I'm tired of the yapping! Go win games! Beat Whittier, beat Chapman. Win the games you're supposed to win and an occasional game you're not supposed to win and you will get into the Top 25 eventually. But losing games you're supposed to win is a death knell, folks.

When you go and lose games you are supposed to win, that makes the wins in games you were supposed to lose look like flukes rather than reality. And in a 25-game season, there are going to be some flukes. But you have to take care of business against everyone you're supposed to. And if you don't, then you better have more than one home win against a Top 25 team to balance it out.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on February 07, 2008, 12:20:57 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 06, 2008, 06:33:30 PM
Go win a game in March sometime, I guess. Been a while since your Salem pavers team played.

I thought we got a free pass on that due to the excessive travel involved... ;)

FWIW - CLU beat the Poets tonight by ten or so.  Close game until the final 3-4 minutes.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on February 07, 2008, 09:15:49 AM
Congratulations to the men in orange and black for winning against a very good stag team at the Rock last night.

From the Oxy website
http://www.oxyathletics.com/sports/mbkb/2007-08/news/020608mbbCMS   (http://www.oxyathletics.com/sports/mbkb/2007-08/news/020608mbbCMS)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on February 07, 2008, 10:49:36 AM
Here's the game write up (http://www.clusports.com/news/4345/) from the CLU website.

Whittier struck me as an improved team over last year.  Much quicker & tougher on the defensive end then in recent years.  They also seemed to have more offensive options at their disposal.  As I said earlier, it was a close game until right around 3:30 left when the Kingsmen made several key stops and pulled away.  It got a little chippy down the stretch when Poet frustrations started to boil over a bit.  It will be interesting to see if they can rally down the stretch.  This is where the four team tournament really changes things, especially as teams like Whittier and ULV try to put together a run to make the tournament.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OXY Oswald on February 07, 2008, 12:09:18 PM
Congratulations to the Tigers, that's a big win.  Glad to hear they played well and came out hot after the break.  I unfortunately couldn't make it -- I was detained by the Lakers, who can't hold a fourth quarter lead  >:(, and the Duke/UNC matchup last night.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OXY Oswald on February 07, 2008, 12:32:09 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 07, 2008, 12:16:54 PM
Quote from: OXY Oswald on February 07, 2008, 12:09:18 PM
I was detained by the Lakers, who can't hold a fourth quarter lead

That's what happens when you have a team running on Gasol-hol rather than 91 octane premium.

OxyBob
Well at least we didn't buy the Diesel they were selling in Miami.  I knew there was a fuel crisis, but $40 mil for two years?!   ???
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LogShow on February 07, 2008, 01:34:06 PM
QuoteCIT: Travis Haussler 35 pts (11-for-18, 5-for 5 3s, 8-for-9 FTs) plus 13 rebounds and 3 assists

First ever conference player of the week from cal tech!?  What a preformance.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 08, 2008, 12:14:58 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 07, 2008, 10:52:16 AMRedlands 97, Caltech 88 OT
The Beavers came close to ending their streak of 266 consecutive SCIAC losses going back to 1985, but the Bulldogs prevailed in overtime.

Wow. And this matchup was a 61-point win (97-36) for the Bulldogs less than a month ago out in the Inland Empire. That's gotta be the biggest turnaround in scoring margin within a single season's home-and-home series in college basketball history.

Seems to me that the Techsters are getting closer and closer to breaking through. In their last game they only lost at Whittier by 13, and now they lose in overtime. Sooner or later, one of the other seven teams in your league is going to find itself on SportsCenter ... and it won't be enjoying the exposure.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Chuck_Curtis on February 08, 2008, 10:39:12 AM
Hey scandihoovian, I just wanted to say I like profile picture.  Hans Albertsson, a 1962 Pacific Lutheran University grad, national high jump champ and All-American in basketball.  Too bad he was Swedish and not Norwegian. Best of luck in the rest of your season, Go Lutes!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on February 08, 2008, 11:04:40 AM
Quote from: Chuck_Curtis on February 08, 2008, 10:39:12 AM
Hey scandihoovian, I just wanted to say I like profile picture.  Hans Albertsson, a 1962 Pacific Lutheran University grad, national high jump champ and All-American in basketball.  Too bad he was Swedish and not Norwegian. Best of luck in the rest of your season, Go Lutes!

Don't worry Chuck - I conducted careful research into Hans' background to make sure he was a good Swede  ;D  I do like the picture, especially the old school "Lutherans" on the front of the Jersey instead of "Lutes". 

Welcome to the board - I hope your Lutes finish strong.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 09, 2008, 12:10:57 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 08, 2008, 11:39:00 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 08, 2008, 12:14:58 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 07, 2008, 10:52:16 AMRedlands 97, Caltech 88 OT
The Beavers came close to ending their streak of 266 consecutive SCIAC losses going back to 1985, but the Bulldogs prevailed in overtime.
Seems to me that the Techsters are getting closer and closer to breaking through.

Back in December, Caltech won a preseason, er, nonconference game against Gallaudet.

I'm well aware of that. I was speaking strictly about SCIAC play, which is why I made that SportsCenter reference to the other seven SCIAC teams.

Quote from: OxyBob on February 08, 2008, 11:39:00 PM
Oh, yeah, and it's Techers (http://www.admissions.caltech.edu/techers), not Techsters.

Meh. "Techer" sounds like a Yiddish word for a part of the human body.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LogShow on February 09, 2008, 05:09:43 PM
Oxy seriously...who writes your material? :D 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TeeDub on February 10, 2008, 12:29:57 AM
Big win for Redlands tonight.  I was surprised to see how Redlands was truly able to shut down PP.   The game was really never close.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on February 10, 2008, 11:55:54 AM
Congratulations to the men in orange and black for their latest win.

B.t.w, Bob, are you sure that Joe Sasich suited up and not his twin bro?  :D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 11, 2008, 02:01:21 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 09, 2008, 05:00:35 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 09, 2008, 12:10:57 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 08, 2008, 11:39:00 PM
Oh, yeah, and it's Techers, not Techsters.
Meh. "Techer" sounds like a Yiddish word for a part of the human body.

Better a Techer than a putz or a schmuck.

That would be a great slogan to put on t-shirts for the Caltech student section (if Caltech has one) if their team ever plays Yeshiva. Oy!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 11, 2008, 02:22:15 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 11, 2008, 01:45:43 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 11, 2008, 02:01:21 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 09, 2008, 05:00:35 PM
Better a Techer than a putz or a schmuck.
That would be a great slogan to put on t-shirts for the Caltech student section (if Caltech has one)...

Caltech does have a student section, but their cheers during the game are somewhat confusing. An Oxy player tried a shot which missed everything, and the CIT students started chanting "N2 + O2 + traces of Ar, CO2, Ne, He, CH4, Kr and H2" Ball!"

O2xyBob

Making it even more confusing: by the time they finished the chant, Oxy had scored 6 more points.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on February 11, 2008, 03:15:19 PM
Sometimes O2xyBob is full of hot N2 + O2 + traces of Ar, CO2, Ne, He, CH4, Kr and H2. ::)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on February 11, 2008, 04:40:35 PM
The chemistry on this board is going down hill fast. :(
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TeeDub on February 11, 2008, 05:00:36 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on February 11, 2008, 04:40:35 PM
The chemistry on this board is going down hill fast. :(

That was actually pretty funny...
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LogShow on February 11, 2008, 06:57:07 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on February 11, 2008, 04:40:35 PM
The chemistry on this board is going down hill fast. :(

Staying with the chem theme...the world does naturally shift towards disorder and chaos.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 11, 2008, 07:06:40 PM
Quote from: LogShow on February 11, 2008, 06:57:07 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on February 11, 2008, 04:40:35 PM
The chemistry on this board is going down hill fast. :(

Staying with the chem theme...the world does naturally shift towards disorder and chaos.

I believe that only applies in a closed system in physics (and the earth, receiving energy from the sun, is not a closed system).  Or were you making a political science analysis? :D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on February 11, 2008, 07:54:27 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on February 11, 2008, 07:06:40 PM
Quote from: LogShow on February 11, 2008, 06:57:07 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on February 11, 2008, 04:40:35 PM
The chemistry on this board is going down hill fast. :(

Staying with the chem theme...the world does naturally shift towards disorder and chaos.

I believe that only applies in a closed system in physics (and the earth, receiving energy from the sun, is not a closed system).  Or were you making a political science analysis? :D

Politics?  Now we are heading into a black hole. :o
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LogShow on February 11, 2008, 08:03:08 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on February 11, 2008, 07:06:40 PM
Quote from: LogShow on February 11, 2008, 06:57:07 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on February 11, 2008, 04:40:35 PM
The chemistry on this board is going down hill fast. :(

Staying with the chem theme...the world does naturally shift towards disorder and chaos.

I believe that only applies in a closed system in physics (and the earth, receiving energy from the sun, is not a closed system).  Or were you making a political science analysis? :D

Talking about Free Energy and Entropy

Who says you don't learn a thing or two at a liberal arts university :D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 12, 2008, 01:54:17 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 11, 2008, 01:45:43 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 11, 2008, 02:01:21 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 09, 2008, 05:00:35 PM
Better a Techer than a putz or a schmuck.
That would be a great slogan to put on t-shirts for the Caltech student section (if Caltech has one)...

Caltech does have a student section, but their cheers during the game are somewhat confusing. An Oxy player tried a shot which missed everything, and the CIT students started chanting "N2 + O2 + traces of Ar, CO2, Ne, He, CH4, Kr and H2" Ball!"

O2xyBob

When a ref makes a bad call against Caltech, do the students chant, "The arbitrator assails his helpmeet! The arbitrator assails his helpmeet!"?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on February 12, 2008, 04:04:41 PM
QuoteHaussler hits a career fair in the morning and meets prospective employers [he wants to work on Wall Street as a trader]. He then does a spin move into the three homework sets he's got to finish by the next day. Each takes between 6-11 hours to complete; sometimes they take 20. Problem is, he has an away game he's got to leave for at 4 p.m. So he gets through as much studying as possible, plays in the game and gets back at 11:30 at night. He hits the books again, and works till 6 in the morning. Time for a three-hour nap, followed by more homework till 5 p.m. He then turns in his work and heads to practice.

These Cal Tech guys know how to travel at the speed of light in order to squeeze in more than 24 hours of activity  in a day. 8)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciacguru on February 13, 2008, 03:29:50 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 12, 2008, 04:43:39 PM
The D3hoops Top 25 Poll is out for Week 11:

Oxy (18-2) gains 52 poll points and moves up from No. 20 to No. 18.

Cal Lutheran (17-3) gains 5 poll points and moves up from No. 32 to No. 29.

As are the OWP and OOWP ranking/standing/pts/etc on the front page.

If the season were to end today, what chance would CLU have at Pool C bid??

Pat, Ralph, David, Greg, Ypsi, Titan??  Any insight would be helpful.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 13, 2008, 03:42:11 PM
Cal Lu is (probably) #2 among pool C contenders in the West (assuming Oxy, St. Thomas, and one of the UW teams ahead of them all end up as pool A).  As long as they lose at most one more game, plus the conference tourney final, I would have to think they are in pretty good shape.

There is a Pool C board, where pabegg has attempted to recreate the selection committee's procedures and rank the pool C credentials of all teams.  In a recent post, he set out mock brackets, which included Cal Lu as a pool C team.

Of course, things could change a great deal in the final weeks, presumed pool A teams could get upset and 'steal' pool C slots, etc., but right now their chances look very good.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on February 13, 2008, 03:47:25 PM
Quote from: sciacguru on February 13, 2008, 03:29:50 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 12, 2008, 04:43:39 PM
The D3hoops Top 25 Poll is out for Week 11:

Oxy (18-2) gains 52 poll points and moves up from No. 20 to No. 18.

Cal Lutheran (17-3) gains 5 poll points and moves up from No. 32 to No. 29.

As are the OWP and OOWP ranking/standing/pts/etc on the front page.

If the season were to end today, what chance would CLU have at Pool C bid??

Pat, Ralph, David, Greg, Ypsi, Titan??  Any insight would be helpful.
Don't forget there is now a tournament in the SCIAC.  Just when the SCIAC might get two teams in, they will probably dribble the ball off their foot and only get the tourney winner in.  If CLU wins they are it, and OXY would be hoping for Pool C.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 13, 2008, 03:51:43 PM
But Oxy is #1 in the West Region rankings - as long as they don't lose more than one other game before then, they'd be a lock for pool C if they missed the A
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on February 13, 2008, 03:59:52 PM
Wow, the SCIAC finally made this offical and i thought that i would bring it up:

CIT:  Travis Haussler, Basketball was named SCIAC player of the week

This 6'-7" junior from Santa Cruz, CA (Santa Cruz HS) averaged 26 points per game and 10 rebounds per game this past week in SCIAC contests vs. the University of Redlands and Occidental College.  In an overtime loss to Redlands, he scored 35 points including 5/5 from the 3-point line, 11/18 from the field, 8/9 from the free throw line with 13 rebounds in 40 minutes.  Against first-place Occidental, he was 7/14 from the floor added two 3 pointers with 7 rebounds for 17 points in the contest.  Travis is an Applied Mathematics and Business double major at Caltech, with a 3.7 grade point average.

Btw, we never really gave Sean Anderson Props for being SCIAC player of the week before Mr. Haussler's nomination. So to Sean Anderson, congrats to his recognition. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on February 13, 2008, 04:00:35 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on February 13, 2008, 03:51:43 PM
But Oxy is #1 in the West Region rankings - as long as they don't lose more than one other game before then, they'd be a lock for pool C if they missed the A
I'm sure you are right this year.  I'm just trying to point out the downside of a tournament that will be in effect most years.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 13, 2008, 04:09:37 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on February 13, 2008, 04:00:35 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on February 13, 2008, 03:51:43 PM
But Oxy is #1 in the West Region rankings - as long as they don't lose more than one other game before then, they'd be a lock for pool C if they missed the A
I'm sure you are right this year.  I'm just trying to point out the downside of a tournament that will be in effect most years.

Agreed, although that has been an upside for some conferences who would almost never otherwise get two teams in: have one dominant team (safe for pool C selection), then have them 'conveniently' lose the title game in the conference tourney! ;)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on February 13, 2008, 04:14:00 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on February 13, 2008, 04:09:37 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on February 13, 2008, 04:00:35 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on February 13, 2008, 03:51:43 PM
But Oxy is #1 in the West Region rankings - as long as they don't lose more than one other game before then, they'd be a lock for pool C if they missed the A
I'm sure you are right this year.  I'm just trying to point out the downside of a tournament that will be in effect most years.

Agreed, although that has been an upside for some conferences who would almost never otherwise get two teams in: have one dominant team (safe for pool C selection), then have them 'conveniently' lose the title game in the conference tourney! ;)
Is there one of those London betting pools available for this? :-X
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 13, 2008, 04:21:21 PM
If you look hard enough, I'd bet there is a London betting pool on anything. :D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 13, 2008, 05:38:40 PM
Yep, that's what the NCAA provided. We'll see what they say about the regional record -- if I had to guess, like I did out on the blog, I'd say it's the La Sierra games they are not counting.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciacguru on February 13, 2008, 07:21:20 PM
West Region
1. Occidental 18-3 11-1 .496 .535
2. St. Thomas 19-3 17-2 .487 .529
3. UW-Platteville 17-4 15-3 .510 .554
4. UW-Whitewater 18-3 16-3 .466 .545
5. Cal Lutheran 17-3 13-3 .504 .522
6. UW-Stevens Point 17-4 15-4 .566 .530
7. Buena Vista 18-4 14-2 .464 .543
8. Loras 17-5 14-3 .511 .547

There is one thing missing.....the NWC AQ.  Though they are not ranked, they would be thrown into the mix because of the AQ.  Who would that hurt in this situation the most? Obviously Loras...but any other ideas would be greatly appreciated.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LogShow on February 14, 2008, 01:25:37 AM
Did I read the front page right when it said that Cal Tech took Oxy to OT before Oxy escaped 83-80...wow.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LogShow on February 14, 2008, 01:27:15 AM
Okay I just read it again and I think I twas talking about Oxy and Redlands...wording is confusing.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 14, 2008, 01:45:35 AM
Quote from: Browneagle64 on February 13, 2008, 03:59:52 PM
Wow, the SCIAC finally made this offical and i thought that i would bring it up:

CIT:  Travis Haussler, Basketball was named SCIAC player of the week

This 6'-7" junior from Santa Cruz, CA (Santa Cruz HS) averaged 26 points per game and 10 rebounds per game this past week in SCIAC contests vs. the University of Redlands and Occidental College.  In an overtime loss to Redlands, he scored 35 points including 5/5 from the 3-point line, 11/18 from the field, 8/9 from the free throw line with 13 rebounds in 40 minutes.  Against first-place Occidental, he was 7/14 from the floor added two 3 pointers with 7 rebounds for 17 points in the contest.  Travis is an Applied Mathematics and Business double major at Caltech, with a 3.7 grade point average.

Let's see ... he's an Applied Mathematics and Business double major at Caltech who sports a 3.7 gpa, and on top of that he's a 6'7 basketball stud. Why not skip the SCIAC Player of the Week award and instead give him the Soon You Will Either Be Working For Me Or Electing Me To High Office award?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 14, 2008, 01:51:21 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 13, 2008, 08:03:43 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 13, 2008, 05:38:40 PM
Yep, that's what the NCAA provided. We'll see what they say about the regional record -- if I had to guess, like I did out on the blog, I'd say it's the La Sierra games they are not counting.

Interesting. I believe the games Oxy played against La Sierra counted in the regional rankings in 2007 and 2006. Strange that they wouldn't count this season despite La Sierra's provisional status. Anyway, if Oxy's games against La Sierra don't count, then that's good for the Tigers because, as you said on the Daily Dose:

QuoteOxy's new OWP is .511 and OOWP is .548.

OxyBob

They wouldn't have counted last year.

Last year: 5. Occidental 17-5 12-3
This matches our regional game designations: http://www.d3hoops.com/school/OXY/mens/2007
Title: SCIAC musings
Post by: DIIIghetto on February 14, 2008, 12:46:40 PM
Side commentary.

Someone has to relay the info about the OT game at Redlands.  Always a tough place to play and it helps our conference for Oxy to have found a way to pull that out, congrats.  Looks like under the new regime Redlands is continuing their tradition of playing like studs in that tiny facility. 

Kats with a sweep of CMS?  Did I read that right.  Scali can't be too happy today.  Didn't see that one coming with the way PP has been playing.  Goes to show you that in that rivalry, you just never know.   Bragging rights for the Hens for a year, nice work.

Lots of hoops left. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TeeDub on February 14, 2008, 05:30:52 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 14, 2008, 02:26:58 PM
Redlands has a tough road with 3 away games left.


The one home game may be the worst.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciac_is_fun on February 15, 2008, 01:36:02 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 14, 2008, 02:35:23 AM

Oxy 83, Redlands 80, OT
OC: Connor Whitman 20 (6-for-12 and 5-for-5 FTs), Huston Conti 22 (5-for-10 and 10-for-10 FTs),

Oxy will win conference (reg season) behind the power of free throws.  what a lesson to young players. 

prediction: Oxy will beat CLU in their second meeting, but then the Kingsmen will take the Tigers in the conference tourney (and the SCIAC will get two bids to the tourney)

prediction part II: the NCAA will match up Oxy and CLU in the first round of the tourney, nullifying the two bids.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 15, 2008, 01:41:47 AM
Quote from: sciac_is_fun on February 15, 2008, 01:36:02 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 14, 2008, 02:35:23 AM

Oxy 83, Redlands 80, OT
OC: Connor Whitman 20 (6-for-12 and 5-for-5 FTs), Huston Conti 22 (5-for-10 and 10-for-10 FTs),

Oxy will win conference (reg season) behind the power of free throws.  what a lesson to young players. 

prediction: Oxy will beat CLU in their second meeting, but then the Kingsmen will take the Tigers in the conference tourney (and the SCIAC will get two bids to the tourney)

prediction part II: the NCAA will match up Oxy and CLU in the first round of the tourney, nullifying the two bids.

You may as well scrap your "prediction part II", because it won't happen. The D3 championship handbook specifically states that teams from the same conference are to be kept from playing each other in the first round. That's the reason behind the imbroglio involving ASC rivals Mary Hardin-Baylor and Mississippi College last season, which also involved Oxy and Maryville (TN).
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on February 15, 2008, 01:35:07 PM
Quote from: sciac_is_fun on February 15, 2008, 01:36:02 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 14, 2008, 02:35:23 AM

Oxy 83, Redlands 80, OT
OC: Connor Whitman 20 (6-for-12 and 5-for-5 FTs), Huston Conti 22 (5-for-10 and 10-for-10 FTs),

Oxy will win conference (reg season) behind the power of free throws.  what a lesson to young players. 

prediction: Oxy will beat CLU in their second meeting, but then the Kingsmen will take the Tigers in the conference tourney (and the SCIAC will get two bids to the tourney)

prediction part II: the NCAA will match up Oxy and CLU in the first round of the tourney, nullifying the two bids.

I wouldn't say the two playing each other nullifies the feat of getting two bids. You get to going into the tourney being the only ones that know that at worst your conference will have one tourney win. It's a terrible situation if it ended up that way but I tried to fin the bright side.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciac_is_fun on February 15, 2008, 01:40:55 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 15, 2008, 01:41:47 AM
Quote from: sciac_is_fun on February 15, 2008, 01:36:02 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 14, 2008, 02:35:23 AM

Oxy 83, Redlands 80, OT
OC: Connor Whitman 20 (6-for-12 and 5-for-5 FTs), Huston Conti 22 (5-for-10 and 10-for-10 FTs),

Oxy will win conference (reg season) behind the power of free throws.  what a lesson to young players. 

prediction: Oxy will beat CLU in their second meeting, but then the Kingsmen will take the Tigers in the conference tourney (and the SCIAC will get two bids to the tourney)

prediction part II: the NCAA will match up Oxy and CLU in the first round of the tourney, nullifying the two bids.

You may as well scrap your "prediction part II", because it won't happen. The D3 championship handbook specifically states that teams from the same conference are to be kept from playing each other in the first round. That's the reason behind the imbroglio involving ASC rivals Mary Hardin-Baylor and Mississippi College last season, which also involved Oxy and Maryville (TN).

i had thought it happened a couple years ago...didn't oxy host a tournament game?  perhaps it was just a playoff game, when CMS and Oxy were tied for the conference title.  but i seem to remember ncaa tournament programs and things like that.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciacguru on February 15, 2008, 03:04:30 PM
Quote from: sciac_is_fun on February 15, 2008, 01:40:55 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 15, 2008, 01:41:47 AM
Quote from: sciac_is_fun on February 15, 2008, 01:36:02 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 14, 2008, 02:35:23 AM

Oxy 83, Redlands 80, OT
OC: Connor Whitman 20 (6-for-12 and 5-for-5 FTs), Huston Conti 22 (5-for-10 and 10-for-10 FTs),

Oxy will win conference (reg season) behind the power of free throws.  what a lesson to young players. 

prediction: Oxy will beat CLU in their second meeting, but then the Kingsmen will take the Tigers in the conference tourney (and the SCIAC will get two bids to the tourney)

prediction part II: the NCAA will match up Oxy and CLU in the first round of the tourney, nullifying the two bids.

You may as well scrap your "prediction part II", because it won't happen. The D3 championship handbook specifically states that teams from the same conference are to be kept from playing each other in the first round. That's the reason behind the imbroglio involving ASC rivals Mary Hardin-Baylor and Mississippi College last season, which also involved Oxy and Maryville (TN).

i had thought it happened a couple years ago...didn't oxy host a tournament game?  perhaps it was just a playoff game, when CMS and Oxy were tied for the conference title.  but i seem to remember ncaa tournament programs and things like that.

Oxy did host the 1st round of the NCAA playoffs, but they were 2nd place in SCIAC with a 10-4 record.  CMS was 12-2.  Oxy got in having beaten Amherst and Whitworth that year.  They hosted because they had the bigger facility, I believe.  They then went on to Puget Sound and lost to that eventual Elite 8 team.  I could be wrong on the SCIAC records but I know there was not a tie for SCIAC that year.  The SCIAC website does not have those records online.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 15, 2008, 03:18:50 PM
Greg -- they will match up two conference teams in the first round if it's a Thursday first-round game. If it's a four-team regional then they'll avoid it.

Their example is correct.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 15, 2008, 05:54:15 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 15, 2008, 03:18:50 PM
Greg -- they will match up two conference teams in the first round if it's a Thursday first-round game. If it's a four-team regional then they'll avoid it.

Their example is correct.

The 2008 handbook does not say that, Pat. It says on page 17 under Pairings and Site Selection, "Teams from the same conference do not have to play one another in the first round as long as geographic proximity is maintained." And that's all that it says about this particular subject.

The "geographic proximity" codicil obviously gives the committee an out, particularly in the case of a geographic orphan such as the SCIAC, but last year's mishap with the pairings did indicate that the committee is striving to keep even the teams from geographic-orphan conferences from playing each other in the first round. But, again, there is no indication whatsoever in the handbook that Thursday first-round games are treated any differently than Friday first-round games.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pineconefan on February 15, 2008, 06:06:10 PM
What are the chances that Chapman picks up a Pool B berth?

If Oxy and CLU each win out, other than a loss to each other in the the regular season and in the SCIAC final, then either would have a good shot at a C.

Then that would create almost a no-brainer four-team regional with those two, Chapman and the NWC champ.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 15, 2008, 06:23:32 PM
According to the latest update in the Pool B room under "Multi-Regional Topics", Chapman is currently on the outside looking in as far as the four Pool B berths are concerned.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pineconefan on February 15, 2008, 06:29:29 PM
Thanks Greg,

Even if Chapman doesn't make it in, if both CLU and OXY are in would the committee likely have one or the other host and bring in the NWC Champ plus another for a four team first-second round?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 15, 2008, 06:41:57 PM
Quote from: pineconefan on February 15, 2008, 06:29:29 PM
Thanks Greg,

Even if Chapman doesn't make it in, if both CLU and OXY are in would the committee likely have one or the other host and bring in the NWC Champ plus another for a four team first-second round?

That's possible. It's also possible that they'd bring the NWC representative down to Cal Lutheran and have CLU host a Thursday night first-rounder, especially since parity in the NWC is so extreme this season that the NWC rep might end up being the lowest-seeded team in the West Region.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pineconefan on February 15, 2008, 06:58:33 PM
Hmm, that seems less likely to me.  If the NWC team happens to win the first round in that scenario, then that team would likely have to fly back home then back down to Oxy for a second round. 

We know how the NCAA likes to avoid those extra flights.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 15, 2008, 07:23:20 PM
In the 2006 Playoffs (http://www.d3sports.com/playoffs/mbbbracket2006.pdf), Oxy hosted CMS for a first round game on Thursday night.  Oxy won and then flew to UPS for the second round game on Saturday night.

(day fixed)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 15, 2008, 08:23:49 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 15, 2008, 05:54:15 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 15, 2008, 03:18:50 PM
Greg -- they will match up two conference teams in the first round if it's a Thursday first-round game. If it's a four-team regional then they'll avoid it.

Their example is correct.

The 2008 handbook does not say that, Pat. It says on page 17 under Pairings and Site Selection, "Teams from the same conference do not have to play one another in the first round as long as geographic proximity is maintained." And that's all that it says about this particular subject.

The "geographic proximity" codicil obviously gives the committee an out, particularly in the case of a geographic orphan such as the SCIAC, but last year's mishap with the pairings did indicate that the committee is striving to keep even the teams from geographic-orphan conferences from playing each other in the first round. But, again, there is no indication whatsoever in the handbook that Thursday first-round games are treated any differently than Friday first-round games.

You're reading the book instead of reading the past pairings. Draw the inference -- it's a lot easier to maintain "geographic proximity" with four teams in one building on one night (Friday) than it is with two teams in one building on one night (Thursday).

Coming into the SCIAC board and telling them
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 15, 2008, 01:41:47 AM
The D3 championship handbook specifically states that teams from the same conference are to be kept from playing each other in the first round.
is pointless. They know better.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 15, 2008, 08:25:46 PM
Quote from: pineconefan on February 15, 2008, 06:58:33 PM
Hmm, that seems less likely to me.  If the NWC team happens to win the first round in that scenario, then that team would likely have to fly back home then back down to Oxy for a second round. 

Nah, they would stay in town. There's no point in flying back on Friday morning then back down for a Saturday night game.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 16, 2008, 12:26:27 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 15, 2008, 08:23:49 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 15, 2008, 05:54:15 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 15, 2008, 03:18:50 PM
Greg -- they will match up two conference teams in the first round if it's a Thursday first-round game. If it's a four-team regional then they'll avoid it.

Their example is correct.

The 2008 handbook does not say that, Pat. It says on page 17 under Pairings and Site Selection, "Teams from the same conference do not have to play one another in the first round as long as geographic proximity is maintained." And that's all that it says about this particular subject.

The "geographic proximity" codicil obviously gives the committee an out, particularly in the case of a geographic orphan such as the SCIAC, but last year's mishap with the pairings did indicate that the committee is striving to keep even the teams from geographic-orphan conferences from playing each other in the first round. But, again, there is no indication whatsoever in the handbook that Thursday first-round games are treated any differently than Friday first-round games.

You're reading the book instead of reading the past pairings. Draw the inference -- it's a lot easier to maintain "geographic proximity" with four teams in one building on one night (Friday) than it is with two teams in one building on one night (Thursday).

I agree -- which is why I think that the committee will make an effort to give Oxy a four-team setup rather than a three-team setup, inasmuch as the Tigers are the #1 team in the West Region and have a very good chance of staying that way. Pairing them with a conference foe in the first round would mean forcing the Tigers to play on a Thursday night, with the idea that they would then go to someone else's gym on Saturday if they won, and the Tigers are simply ranked too highly for that to happen without making a sham of the entire regional ranking system.

I'm not denying the precedents that have been set in previous years. I'm simply taking the committee at its word that it will try to live up to the handbook by acknowledging the stated desire to keep conference foes apart in the first round, particularly since Oxy's strong position would appear to mandate that the Tigers play at home on Friday night -- or draw a bye and play their first game in a Saturday second-rounder -- rather than on Thursday night.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Titan Q on February 16, 2008, 12:32:59 PM
My prediction - Oxy will host a 4-team regional (is that what we're calling those?) for rounds 1 and 2 and then head to St. Louis for a Sectional at Wash U, where the field will also include Augustana (CCIW) and Centre (SCAC).

You heard it here first, folks.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciac_is_fun on February 16, 2008, 11:33:29 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 16, 2008, 01:14:09 PM

That all sounds nice, but for the moment I will settle for a win tonight against Pomona. Plus, everyone seems to have forgotten about Cal Lutheran, which has a darned good team that nobody knows about.

OxyBob

Bob, you've sure changed your tune about Cal Lu since early in the non-conference season (of course, that was before Meier came back).  I'll spare you busting out your 'interpretation' quote of Coach Rider's season preview interview... :)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 17, 2008, 01:06:20 AM
Caltech won, 80-74 in OT.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 17, 2008, 01:13:37 AM
Now Caltech has reversed the score on its Web site and lists it as an 80-74 loss.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 17, 2008, 01:17:03 AM
I called to confirm. It's a loss.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 17, 2008, 01:26:29 AM
You had me at...
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 17, 2008, 01:06:20 AM
Caltech won

Oh well.....
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LogShow on February 17, 2008, 03:35:21 PM
Big game for Oxy on Wednesday...it will be interesting to see how they can counce back.

Is hosting still possible for them?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Fear the Poet on February 18, 2008, 06:46:15 PM


For Whittier, Mike Archuletta had 20 points, 9 rebounds, 2 assists and 2 blocks in the Poets' win over Redlands. Marcus Gibson scored 16, and Jeff McLean had 10 points, 6 rebounds, 3 assists and 3 blocks.


Occidental 9-2
Cal Lutheran 9-2
Claremont 6-5
Pomona 6-5
Redlands 5-6
Whittier 5-6
La Verne 3-8
Caltech 0-11


CLU and Oxy have clinched 2 of the 4 spots in the conference tournament. CMS, Pomona, Whittier and Redlands are battling it out for the other 2.

OxyBob

[/quote]

Arculetta is one of those types of players that I wouldn't like if he was on the other team, but love him as a Poet. He is a very annoying defensive presence for the opposing team. Always in your face and very pesky.

Usually he doesn't start, but when he comes in, Lucy says, "here comes your guy"

Reminds me of Rodman with his "everyone but his own team and fans probably can't stand him" personna.

I say, Arculeta for class president! :)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Fear the Poet on February 18, 2008, 09:20:40 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 18, 2008, 08:27:08 PM
Quote from: Fear the Poet on February 18, 2008, 06:46:15 PM
Arculetta is one of those types of players that I wouldn't like if he was on the other team, but love him as a Poet. He is a very annoying defensive presence for the opposing team. Always in your face and very pesky.

According to the Whittier web site, Archuletta hails from the town of Manhatten Beach (http://wcpoets.com/sports/mbkb/2007-08/bios/Michael_Archuletta) [sic], which is just a stone's throw from Pleya Dal Ray.

OxyBob

we dont hold that against him
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciacguru on February 19, 2008, 01:07:18 PM
When is the SCIAC tourney??  The SCIAC website doesnt have it posted.
Is it the Fri (2/29) and Sat (3/1) after conferrence or the Sat (3/1) and Sun(3/2)??
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LogShow on February 19, 2008, 01:33:00 PM
The SCIAC has a lot of teams fighting for that last playoff spot...just like the NWC
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on February 19, 2008, 01:36:29 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 19, 2008, 01:17:44 PM
Quote from: sciacguru on February 19, 2008, 01:07:18 PM
When is the SCIAC tourney??  The SCIAC website doesnt have it posted.
Is it the Fri (2/29) and Sat (3/1) after conferrence or the Sat (3/1) and Sun(3/2)??

The conference tournament is on Feb. 29 and Mar. 1. In inimitable SCIAC fashion, it's not posted in plain sight on the basketball schedule, where you'd think it'd be. Instead, it's hidden here (http://www.thesciac.org/information/championships/championships).

OxyBob
So, the women get a day off, but the men play two days in a row. ???
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciacguru on February 19, 2008, 02:10:02 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 19, 2008, 01:17:44 PM
Quote from: sciacguru on February 19, 2008, 01:07:18 PM
When is the SCIAC tourney??  The SCIAC website doesnt have it posted.
Is it the Fri (2/29) and Sat (3/1) after conferrence or the Sat (3/1) and Sun(3/2)??

The conference tournament is on Feb. 29 and Mar. 1. In inimitable SCIAC fashion, it's not posted in plain sight on the basketball schedule, where you'd think it'd be. Instead, it's hidden here (http://www.thesciac.org/information/championships/championships).

OxyBob

Thanks!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on February 19, 2008, 02:28:35 PM
Does any one have any insight into where the tourney will be taking place? What's the chance's of it being held at the forum (the old great western forum that is???)?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OXY Oswald on February 19, 2008, 06:58:38 PM
Quote from: Browneagle64 on February 19, 2008, 02:28:35 PM
Does any one have any insight into where the tourney will be taking place? What's the chance's of it being held at the forum (the old great western forum that is???)?
The top seed will host the SCIAC tournament.  That will be decided this Wed when the Tigers clash with the Kingsmen in Rush Gymnasium.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: steveflegel on February 19, 2008, 07:26:23 PM
I will happen to be in Southern California this week. 

How far is the drive from Cerritos to the Oxy campus?  If I can get away from what I am doing by 6:30 p.m., can I make it by tip off?  Halftime?

Thanks for your help.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: steveflegel on February 19, 2008, 07:40:29 PM
I am asking about tomorrow night's game between Oxy and CLU, BTW.  Should've been more specific.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OXY Oswald on February 19, 2008, 08:01:35 PM
Quote from: steveflegel on February 19, 2008, 07:26:23 PM
I will happen to be in Southern California this week. 

How far is the drive from Cerritos to the Oxy campus?  If I can get away from what I am doing by 6:30 p.m., can I make it by tip off?  Halftime?

Thanks for your help.
Driving Directions from Cerritos, CA to 1600 Campus Rd, Eagle Rock, CA (http://www.mapquest.com/directions/main.adp?do=nw&long=%2d118156560&2n=Los%20Angeles%20County&height=478&1y=US&r=f&2a=1600%20Campus%20Rd&mo=ma&1si=gaz%5fus&2s=CA&2c=Eagle%20Rock&dtype=s&1rc=A5XAX&2si=navt&1da=%2d1%2e000000&2da=%2d1%2e000000&2rc=L1AAA&1n=Los%20Angeles%20County&cl=EN&width=933&2v=ADDRESS&lat=33992211&did=1203469076&1gi=YJtN9pQ9RkOD%2bGMVgaSm0Q%3d%3d&qq=1ADqpk24ofCUEkEKEXIws1u9z3wYzAB%252f6gi76kkHo%252bNIuCu0FceVhUUL%252bVDVSrjcPLDl9h%252fVY1WGiY2Cefe2jzfprmB2zvQKBcYe09dzUil9HA2YHydZCbh4U4SzH4tjop5jok9nyh%252b4XcYw1sg4xRoI0NXuSGzq&2gi=YJtN9pQ9RkOD%2bGMVgaSm0Q%3d%3d&2y=US&un=m&2z=90041%2d3314&1s=CA&1c=Cerritos&zoom=7&go=1&rsres=1&1v=CITY&ct=NA&1l=QE6YF8mrbLDDFF3webUE8Q==&1g=gQInJRZ2QhOnhjaZ/KCX0A==&2l=t/upnxbWphj9f9mnyNFfZg==&2g=52luKuppjCPSU1UeGVMfaA==)

An hour should be enough time to make it from the game, however, I've never driven that area during rush hour.  Good luck, hope you can make it.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciac_is_fun on February 19, 2008, 08:31:16 PM
Quote from: OXY Oswald on February 19, 2008, 08:01:35 PM
Quote from: steveflegel on February 19, 2008, 07:26:23 PM
I will happen to be in Southern California this week. 

How far is the drive from Cerritos to the Oxy campus?  If I can get away from what I am doing by 6:30 p.m., can I make it by tip off?  Halftime?

Thanks for your help.
Driving Directions from Cerritos, CA to 1600 Campus Rd, Eagle Rock, CA (http://www.mapquest.com/directions/main.adp?do=nw&long=%2d118156560&2n=Los%20Angeles%20County&height=478&1y=US&r=f&2a=1600%20Campus%20Rd&mo=ma&1si=gaz%5fus&2s=CA&2c=Eagle%20Rock&dtype=s&1rc=A5XAX&2si=navt&1da=%2d1%2e000000&2da=%2d1%2e000000&2rc=L1AAA&1n=Los%20Angeles%20County&cl=EN&width=933&2v=ADDRESS&lat=33992211&did=1203469076&1gi=YJtN9pQ9RkOD%2bGMVgaSm0Q%3d%3d&qq=1ADqpk24ofCUEkEKEXIws1u9z3wYzAB%252f6gi76kkHo%252bNIuCu0FceVhUUL%252bVDVSrjcPLDl9h%252fVY1WGiY2Cefe2jzfprmB2zvQKBcYe09dzUil9HA2YHydZCbh4U4SzH4tjop5jok9nyh%252b4XcYw1sg4xRoI0NXuSGzq&2gi=YJtN9pQ9RkOD%2bGMVgaSm0Q%3d%3d&2y=US&un=m&2z=90041%2d3314&1s=CA&1c=Cerritos&zoom=7&go=1&rsres=1&1v=CITY&ct=NA&1l=QE6YF8mrbLDDFF3webUE8Q==&1g=gQInJRZ2QhOnhjaZ/KCX0A==&2l=t/upnxbWphj9f9mnyNFfZg==&2g=52luKuppjCPSU1UeGVMfaA==)

An hour should be enough time to make it from the game, however, I've never driven that area during rush hour.  Good luck, hope you can make it.

you might consider taking the 605 N to the 210 W.  you never know with LA traffic, but it might be better than going through downtown.  the map on the link is a bit deceiving - Oxy is a bit closer to Pasadena than it shows.  if traffic is bad, you might not make it by tip-off, but you'll definitely be there by midway through the first half. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciac_is_fun on February 19, 2008, 08:35:00 PM
i've officially worked my way up to varsity :)

any early picks for All Conference/POY?  Not sure I'm qualified, as I've only seen Oxy and CLU so far this year.  One under-the-radar player I hope gets some consideration is Acerboni from CLU.  He doesn't put up the points so he doesn't get the recognition, but he does everything else and is very important to that team. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on February 20, 2008, 12:49:21 AM
Thanks for answering my questions folks.

The biggest game for both the men in orange and black and "the who" goes on tomorrow night at the Rock and where does this young buck have to be? Handling some business on the U.L.V campus. I'll try to keep this board updated with the Leo v.s. Pups game, but as Bob noted already, i am sure the Pup....ehh, i mean the Leo's will walk away with a victory.

btw, Steve, if you decide to take the 605 onto the 210 expect to encounter heavy traffic where both of these freeways meet ( i'll be heading east of this junction tomorrow afternoon and always tend to see a mess on both sides of these Freeways). Like many posters have highlighted already your commute should take you at least 45 mins to an hour.  Best of luck and i hope you enjoy your time in So.Cal  8)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on February 20, 2008, 02:49:18 PM
I was out of town over the weekend and apparently missed an exciting weekend of basketball.  Wish I could be in Eagle Rock tonight but, alas, I will be watching my eldest son play the role of Leif Erikson in his fifth grade play.  If that's not evidence of increased racial profiling in our nation's elementary schools, I don't know what is... ;)  I will count on oxybroadcast to keep me informed. Here's a pre-game piece (http://www.venturacountystar.com/news/2008/feb/20/clu-mens-basketball-team-has-shot-at-revenge/) from today's VC Star.

The Oxy-PP result was a surprise, but not a total shocker.  It's always tough to beat Kats twice in one season.  The new tourney format sure helps keep things interesting.  As much as I'd like to see a new team in the mix it seems like the tourney will likely include the usual suspects. It will take the Poets' best game, but if they can beat PP tonight it will certainly stir the pot. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Fear the Poet on February 20, 2008, 04:15:45 PM
Quote from: scandihoovian on February 20, 2008, 02:49:18 PM
Wish I could be in Eagle Rock tonight but, alas, I will be watching my eldest son play the role of Leif Erikson in his fifth grade play.


i cannot tell a lie, I'm staying in to check out Shaq's Suns debut  against the Lakers. I feel shame.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciac_is_fun on February 20, 2008, 06:35:14 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 19, 2008, 10:31:09 PM

Quote from: sciac_is_fun on February 19, 2008, 08:35:00 PM
any early picks for All Conference/POY?  Not sure I'm qualified, as I've only seen Oxy and CLU so far this year.  One under-the-radar player I hope gets some consideration is Acerboni from CLU.  He doesn't put up the points so he doesn't get the recognition, but he does everything else and is very important to that team. 

Chad Acerboni is a good defensive player, but Player of the Year? Sorry, but no.


Sorry I wasn't more clear - I meant that I hope Acerboni gets consideration for all-conference, not POY.  btw, for the record, he's 2nd in the SCIAC in both assists and steals. 

If I had to pick today, I would pick Whitman for POY (this coming from a Kingsmen fan).  Here's to hoping that changes tonight :)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LogShow on February 20, 2008, 11:53:52 PM
Anyone have an in-game update from the Oxy game?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on February 20, 2008, 11:55:25 PM
Hey Folks, just F.Y.I

At the half:
Leo's: 42
Pups :32

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on February 20, 2008, 11:57:19 PM
Logs,

I was just going to ask that, but, you beat me to it. I wish i could make a call to old friends at oxy and find out the score, but, i'm heading back to class. If you do get the scores, please keep this board updated. ;)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LogShow on February 21, 2008, 12:00:24 AM
Quote from: Browneagle64 on February 20, 2008, 11:57:19 PM
Logs,

I was just going to ask that, but, you beat me to it. I wish i could make a call to old friends at oxy and find out the score, but, i'm heading back to class. If you do get the scores, please keep this board updated. ;)

Night class?  Brutal...
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LogShow on February 21, 2008, 12:03:03 AM
At the half CLU 25, Oxy 29
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 21, 2008, 12:22:50 AM
Earwitness report of OxyBob's eyewitness account from Eagle Rock:
Oxy 67
CLU 63
Final
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LogShow on February 21, 2008, 12:31:12 AM
Big big win for Oxy tonight
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 21, 2008, 12:44:28 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 20, 2008, 03:46:18 PM
Quote from: scandihoovian on February 20, 2008, 02:49:18 PM
Wish I could be in Eagle Rock tonight but, alas, I will be watching my eldest son play the role of Leif Erikson in his fifth grade play.

The story goes that upon his return to Norway the famous explorer Leif Erickson found himself facing a horde of anxious reporters. When asked, "How did you find America?," Erickson replied, "Turn left at Greenland." (http://www.angelfire.com/music2/20yearsgone/multimedia/00ahdn2.wav)

That's a John Lennon line from the Beatles' first press conference in America. He used it again in the press conference scene in A Hard Day's Night.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: steveflegel on February 21, 2008, 11:03:43 AM
Thanks to those of you who provided the directions to Occidental for last night's game.  I enjoyed the game and it was fun to see that great small college enviroment in other places.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on February 21, 2008, 12:02:34 PM
Quote from: steveflegel on February 21, 2008, 11:03:43 AM
Thanks to those of you who provided the directions to Occidental for last night's game.  I enjoyed the game and it was fun to see that great small college enviroment in other places.

Did you meet OxyBob?  Did he give you the score of the Laker game?  I was watching on TV, and was wondering why he was always a couple of minutes behind.

BTW, Craig Dunkin does a great job in bringing these games to us, even though he needs to learn to spell. :-X (inside joke).
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on February 21, 2008, 06:56:22 PM
Quote from: Browneagle64 on February 20, 2008, 11:57:19 PM
Logs,

I was just going to ask that, but, you beat me to it. I wish i could make a call to old friends at oxy and find out the score, but, i'm heading back to class. If you do get the scores, please keep this board updated. ;)

Browneagle and Logs, you guys are killing me!!!  Our broadcasts are linked on the Oxy and SCIAC websites as well as my own --- oxybroadcast.com.  Maybe I wasn't giving the score enough.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on February 21, 2008, 07:15:46 PM
Naw,

I just didn't have time to set-up the oxy broadcast and pull out speakers (or head phones) to hear the game. I had class at night with a limited time for break. (  Enough to at least keep the board updated with the Leo v.s. pup game.)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on February 21, 2008, 07:40:45 PM
So what you're saying is that I need a running score like espn or fox?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on February 21, 2008, 11:49:17 PM
I only caught the tail end of the broadcast - listened just long enough to hear Bob tell us the Kingsmen were going to run a play for Inniss...  Bob was right - too bad the shot didn't fall.  Nice win for Oxy.

The Kingsmen hung tough, but I fear they're going to have to beat the Tigers in the SCIAC Tourney in order to win a NCAA tourney berth.  Big games left at Redlands and then at home against PP.

As for how often Bob and Tigersports gave out the Lakers score - well lets just say that I got spoiled growing up with the Magic man.  I expect people to be able to smile and play basketball at the same time.  You know, guys that are willing to put up with an aging center's crap because they want to win more than anything.  Maybe if Luke Walton put on some sweet goggles I'd change my attitude. :D

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fsportsillustrated.cnn.com%2F2007%2Fwriters%2Fjack_mccallum%2F01%2F30%2Fsuns.vs.showtime%2Flakers-rambis.jpg&hash=8755b8ab1675843bd9039956c73a9d813ddb6131)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bballfan2 on February 22, 2008, 08:50:46 AM
1st team All-league honors should definitely go to Reynolds at PP, and POY consideration depending on how PP fairs in the conf. tourny.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Just Bill on February 22, 2008, 10:51:35 AM
If this was posted before, my apologies.

Here is an interview with the Pomona-Pitzer head coach Charlie Katsiaficas from the Double-A Zone blog:

http://www.doubleazone.com/2008/02/pomonapitzer_making_division_i.html
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on February 22, 2008, 06:25:20 PM
Quote from: scandihoovian on February 21, 2008, 11:49:17 PM

As for how often Bob and Tigersports gave out the Lakers score - well lets just say that I got spoiled growing up with the Magic man.  I expect people to be able to smile and play basketball at the same time.  You know, guys that are willing to put up with an aging center's crap because they want to win more than anything.  Maybe if Luke Walton put on some sweet goggles I'd change my attitude. :D


Wow, Scandi, I think you just earned your "Back in my day" Old Fart card.  :D The NBA is as good right now as it's been in the last 20 years.  Lots of great players, most of whom are team-oriented, parity among some very good teams and playoffs the last two years as good as any in history.  Plus, there's no Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens or Pacman Jones stealing headlines. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on February 22, 2008, 06:30:41 PM
One mans' All-conference team (without having seen Whittier or La Verne pla; *- starters)

Haussler
Whitman*
Reynolds*
Winterbottom
Sexton*
Hunt
Meier*
Innis*
Acerboni
Conti

POY:  Reynolds
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LogShow on February 22, 2008, 06:37:30 PM
Quote from: tigersports on February 22, 2008, 06:25:20 PM
Quote from: scandihoovian on February 21, 2008, 11:49:17 PM

As for how often Bob and Tigersports gave out the Lakers score - well lets just say that I got spoiled growing up with the Magic man.  I expect people to be able to smile and play basketball at the same time.  You know, guys that are willing to put up with an aging center's crap because they want to win more than anything.  Maybe if Luke Walton put on some sweet goggles I'd change my attitude. :D


Wow, Scandi, I think you just earned your "Back in my day" Old Fart card.  :D The NBA is as good right now as it's been in the last 20 years.  Lots of great players, most of whom are team-oriented, parity among some very good teams and playoffs the last two years as good as any in history.  Plus, there's no Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens or Pacman Jones stealing headlines. 

Amen to that one!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on February 22, 2008, 06:41:13 PM
Quote from: tigersports on February 22, 2008, 06:30:41 PM
One mans' All-conference team (without having seen Whittier or La Verne pla; *- starters)

Haussler
Whitman*
Reynolds*
Winterbottom
Sexton*
Hunt
Meier*
Innis*
Acerboni
Conti

POY:  Reynolds
tigersports,

The SCIAC POY is not also on the first team, so there is an opening on your list.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on February 22, 2008, 06:58:16 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on February 22, 2008, 06:41:13 PM
Quote from: tigersports on February 22, 2008, 06:30:41 PM

tigersports,

The SCIAC POY is not also on the first team, so there is an opening on your list.
Then I'd put Anderson in there.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on February 22, 2008, 06:59:00 PM
Bob, you've just earned your card, too.  Congrats.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on February 22, 2008, 07:07:23 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 22, 2008, 06:44:54 PM

Coincidentally, it's been about 20 years since they called traveling in an NBA game.

OxyBob

And even longer since they called palming. :(
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 22, 2008, 07:11:18 PM
Quote from: tigersports on February 22, 2008, 06:59:00 PM
Bob, you've just earned your card, too.  Congrats.

Just?  Bob got his Old Fart card stapled to his birth certificate. :)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LogShow on February 22, 2008, 07:12:20 PM
Well rules are allowed to be interpreted...but it must be tough to guard players when they're allotted 3 and a half steps.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on February 22, 2008, 07:20:01 PM
You guys are right.  Let's just have guys with crew cuts launching two-handed set shots.  When I go to a game, I want to see Dave Libbey make as many traveling calls as humanly possible.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on February 22, 2008, 07:27:05 PM
Quote from: tigersports on February 22, 2008, 07:20:01 PM
You guys are right.  Let's just have guys with crew cuts launching two-handed set shots.  When I go to a game, I want to see Dave Libbey make as many traveling calls as humanly possible.
Crew cuts (not to be confused with bald) are making a comeback. 8)

I would rather see two handed set shots than all those free throws at the end of games at any level of play.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 22, 2008, 07:36:26 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 22, 2008, 06:44:54 PM
]

I long for the days of Darrall Imhoff, Jim Krebs, Rudy LaRusso, and Leroy Ellis.
...

Yeah, and Kobe Bryant hasn't raped anyone lately.

Coincidentally, it's been about 20 years since they called traveling in an NBA game.

OxyBob

Jim Krebs,   I remember the reports of his untimely death.   :(

My NBA Fantasy Time Machine would allow the fan the pick the team, the court and a set of NBA referees and rules from that particular year and play a series against any other team, court, refs and rules of a certain year.

Play 20 games "home and away".  Would the 1960's Lakers beat a 21st century team?

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LogShow on February 22, 2008, 08:11:01 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 22, 2008, 08:02:47 PM
Quote from: tigersports on February 22, 2008, 07:20:01 PM
When I go to a game, I want to see Dave Libbey make as many traveling calls as humanly possible.

Dave Libbey once called traveling 10 times in one game. Tim Donaghy took the under.


Okay, that might be your best line of all time :D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Fear the Poet on February 23, 2008, 04:28:48 PM
your going down !
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LogShow on February 23, 2008, 04:39:44 PM
I would be surprised/impressed if Oxy goes down tonight.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: magicman on February 24, 2008, 02:21:20 AM
Any scores yet for the Oxy game or Cal Lutheran game.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 24, 2008, 03:04:12 AM
Cal Lu wins, Oxy loses.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Fear the Poet on February 24, 2008, 12:07:26 PM
what did the Poets do, put Scurlock at point?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LogShow on February 24, 2008, 01:54:44 PM
Well sounds like a great win for Whittier!  It's going to be fun keeping tabs on the SCIAC tourney this year.

OB do you still like Oxy's chances for a at-large?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: West Coast Bias on February 25, 2008, 04:46:39 PM
Don't count out the Leo's, OB.

If La Verne beats Oxy they will finish 7-7.

If Redlands beat CMS, CMS will finish 7-7.

For the tie breaker:

CMS and La Verne split in the regular season.

vs. #1 CLU:  CMS 0-2  ULV 0-2
vs. #2 Oxy:  CMS 1-1   ULV 1-1
vs. #3 PP:    CMS 0-2   ULV 1-1.


Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on February 26, 2008, 12:06:57 AM
WCB-

Nice catch on the Leos.  Their new coach has done a nice job this year.  I know CMS is maybe a little weaker than usual and PP is truly schizophrenic, but it's pretty impressive for the Leos to have a shot at the top four after the old coach not necessarily leaving the cupboard full...


QuoteWow, Scandi, I think you just earned your "Back in my day" Old Fart card.  Cheesy The NBA is as good right now as it's been in the last 20 years.
I know this is a little tardy, TigerSports,  but I thought you'd like to know that I did just turn 40 and thought it was time to start acting my age. ;)

While the NBA is my fourth favorite brand of basketball (D3, D1, local high school, NBA), I agree that there a number of exciting players and good teams in the league right now.  It's just that after being a truly die hard showtime fan I really can't stomach number 8, I mean number 24, I mean... :D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on February 26, 2008, 12:56:13 AM
I'm with you on #8/24.  Neither my favorite player nor person, so it's tough to root for him.  That said, I've been a Lakes fan since the 33-game streak, so that loyalty is tough to shake.

Btw all, we'll have the Oxy/ULV game from the Supertent on Tuesday.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on February 26, 2008, 12:59:52 AM
As much good strides that Coach Reed and the kids at U.L.V have had this season, i must honestly say that the journey ends tomorrow night for the Leo's. On any other given night I would have been the first one to pick the Leo's for an upset, however, this tuesday night the men in orange and black walk away with a W.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Howlinwolf on February 26, 2008, 12:01:07 PM
Despite being written off by the Slammin' Poets on Saturday, Oxy clocks in at # 24 in DIII rankings this week. Lots of losses for teams who inhabit the netherworld of the top 25 excused this slip-up.

Cats' pajamas tonight in LaVerne. Who will escape unscathed?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on February 26, 2008, 06:05:34 PM
To all of you folks that are heading out to the SuperTents for tonights game, i say, best of luck on your long and what maybe a fustrating commute. Hope that you can find someone to carpool with so that you can cut off 15 mins from your 1hr. commute.  Have fun.  ;D Go tigers. SCIAC champs in 08'
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bballfan2 on February 26, 2008, 10:04:12 PM
Any one got an update from the PP v Cal Lu game?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on February 26, 2008, 11:21:26 PM
CLU up by 9 at the half.  The Kingsmen missed a few opportunities to extend the lead at the end of the half.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on February 26, 2008, 11:47:31 PM
CLU 58
PP 39
6:30 to go.

Any Oxy-ULV score?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 26, 2008, 11:54:24 PM
Oxy leads 54-47, 7:xx remaining.

UPDATE:  Oxy 62, La Verne 52, 1:10.

UPDATE:  Final score: Oxy 67, ULV 57
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on February 27, 2008, 12:10:07 AM
I think its safe to say that this one is in the bank. Great win for the Men in orange and black and for proving to everyone out there that there indeed was a post-betty era in the SCIAC conference this year. Go tigers. SCIAC champs in O8

Congrats to the Leo's as well in keeping this game closer than expected.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on February 27, 2008, 12:34:37 AM
Nice win for the Tigers.  Solid seasons for both them and the Kingsmen.  Is it correct that they are co-champs with Oxy getting the #1 seed because it won both meetings?

So, if I remember correctly, Oxy and CLU both host on Friday night - with the championship game on Saturday at the highest remaining seed.  Should be a fun weekend!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LogShow on February 27, 2008, 12:57:20 AM
Congrats to Oxy for getting it done and finishing #1 in the conference standings.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciac_is_fun on February 27, 2008, 01:21:14 AM
box score is up: CLU 70, PP 51

Looks like another big game for Owens (23 pts, 9-13 FG, 6 rebs), with Meier solid as usual (17 pts, 5-10 FG, 8 rebs, 3 assists).  Inniss and Acerboni combined to shoot 6-8 on 3s.  Congrats to the seniors on a well-played game on senior night.

I wasn't there, but it looks like CLU was pretty much in control throughout, shooting 52% for the game to PP's 39%.  PP gets another chance on Friday, as they do it all over again at CLU. 

Quote from: scandihoovian on February 27, 2008, 12:34:37 AM
Nice win for the Tigers.  Solid seasons for both them and the Kingsmen.  Is it correct that they are co-champs with Oxy getting the #1 seed because it won both meetings?


According to the box score, Cal Lu "earns share of the conference title with Occidental."

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on February 27, 2008, 09:37:53 AM
Congrats to the Who on their big win last night against the Sagehens.

To answer your question scandii (and maybe Bob can explain this a bit better than i can), even though both "the who" and the tigers have identical records, the Tigers can outright claim the SCIAC crown because of 1 reason. Oxy beat the Who twice during the regular season.
It would be awesome to share the Crown with the Who for showing such great poise during a tough first start (hmmm...... having tons of pressure after what several student-athletes did during the offseason), however, since oxy beat them twice during the reg. season this helps Oxy advantage in claiming the SCIAC crown outright.

Is there any possibility of the Who getting into the Big dance? (not the conferance tourney) THat would indeed be awesome and great to see.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TeeDub on February 27, 2008, 11:24:13 AM
Let's start the conspiracy theory now:

Oxy throws the game to Cal Lu in the Conference Tourney final.  Cal Lu gets the automatic, Oxy gets the Pool C
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: NWCer on February 27, 2008, 12:48:38 PM
Quote from: Browneagle64 on February 27, 2008, 09:37:53 AM
Congrats to the Who on their big win last night against the Sagehens.

To answer your question scandii (and maybe Bob can explain this a bit better than i can), even though both "the who" and the tigers have identical records, the Tigers can outright claim the SCIAC crown because of 1 reason. Oxy beat the Who twice during the regular season.
It would be awesome to share the Crown with the Who for showing such great poise during a tough first start (hmmm...... having tons of pressure after what several student-athletes did during the offseason), however, since oxy beat them twice during the reg. season this helps Oxy advantage in claiming the SCIAC crown outright.

Is there any possibility of the Who getting into the Big dance? (not the conferance tourney) THat would indeed be awesome and great to see.

What's up from the NWC,

Browneagle, Check out Cal Lu's site:  http://www.clusports.com/news/4434/, and then check out Oxy's http://www.oxy.edu/x6722.xml

You guys have fun debating this one.  Maybe the Commissioner, SID's, coaches, or AD's from each school can get on and talk this one out!

From past scenarios I've seen, Oxy and Cal Lu are co-champs, even though Oxy swept Cal Lu, they have the same record.  The sweep gives Oxy the number 1 seed.  In the past before you guys had a tournament and this would have happened, Oxy and Cal Lu would be co-champs but Oxy would get the AQ because of the head to head, yet they'll still be co-champs. Congrats to both, you guys have a real shot at getting two in, again.  Up here in the NWC it will be one again, and I'm predicting it will be Whitworth coming down in some way or fashion.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on February 27, 2008, 01:57:10 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 27, 2008, 01:27:24 PM
Quote from: NWCer on February 27, 2008, 12:48:38 PM
From past scenarios I've seen, Oxy and Cal Lu are co-champs, even though Oxy swept Cal Lu, they have the same record.

If the soccer mommies from CLU want to be co-champs even though Oxy beat them twice then let them. They already had their postgame cookies and juice boxes. Anyway, after all, we're all winners! Now have fun out there!

Oxy owns the head to head and therefore clearly deserves the #1 seed.  But, from the cluttered front seat of my mini van, amidst the detritus of orange wedges and capri sun bags, it looks to me like CLU's 11-3 conference record makes them just as deserving a conference champion as Oxy.  Those of you who have followed the conference for a long time know that sweeping both CMS and PP in the same season is a rare feat, part of a very strong body of work by the Kingsmen over the course of conference play.  Oxy's a very good team, and they put themselves in the driver's seat with a big win against CLU last Wednesday.  If they wanted to be sole conference champs, however, they shouldn't have fallen asleep at the wheel against PP.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DIIIghetto on February 27, 2008, 02:53:17 PM
Hoov, good stuff.  CLU and Oxy are the co-champs.  Conference tournament is a thing of pure beauty.  Thanks to the SCIAC for finally waking up and giving us this.  Undoubtedly, we will send our BEST team to the Tournament. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DIIIghetto on February 27, 2008, 04:48:08 PM
If it stopped now I would say the MVP goes to Whitman.  Heck of a player.  But if he disappears, it is close enough that things could change.  If CMS gloves him and CLU's bigs show that Oxy's, PP's and CMS's bigs are a step below, it could go to Meier.  Have to love the post season tourney. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciac_is_fun on February 27, 2008, 05:57:17 PM
Cal Lu and Oxy are both in the top 6 of the latest West Regional rankings, and have been mainstays there all year.  If they meet again in the SCIAC tourney championship, why aren't both of them in?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on February 27, 2008, 06:10:37 PM
Oxy as a team stood out  in assists.  CLU stood out in steals.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OXY Oswald on February 27, 2008, 06:20:03 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on February 27, 2008, 06:10:37 PM
Oxy as a team stood out  in assists.  CLU stood out in steals.
Oxy's got some solid windex men out there too.  They've been shining glass all season. 

Coach Newhall also does a great job of keeping fresh legs on the court, something that will hopefully lead to a strong push into the tournament. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 27, 2008, 07:40:35 PM
And only one or two of those items is particularly relevant to sciac_is_fun's actual point.

1) Cal Lutheran beat UW-Stevens Point.
2) Cal Lutheran has a win against North Central, a common opponent of Wheaton.

Just so everyone remembers what actually counts are in-region games.

BTW, I'm in the Middle Atlantic. Trust me when I say that being second in the Middle Atlantic isn't saying much nationally these days.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 27, 2008, 09:11:55 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 27, 2008, 08:58:43 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 27, 2008, 07:40:35 PM
BTW, I'm in the Middle Atlantic. Trust me when I say that being second in the Middle Atlantic isn't saying much nationally these days.

Let the pooh-poohing begin. Hey, CLU fans, I tried.

Here are the latest NCAA regional rankings for games through Feb. 24. Per Pat Coleman, note:

QuoteThis is the final ranking we see. The NCAA prepares a final ranking through next Sunday's games to use in the selection and bracketing process; however, it does not release it to the public.

West Region

1. UW-Whitewater 21-4 19-4 .492 .540
2. St. Thomas         21-4 19-3 .499 .522
3. Occidental         20-4 13-3 .531 .527
4. UW-Stevens Point 20-5 18-5 .575 .525
5. Buena Vista         20-5 16-3 .496 .528
6. Cal Lutheran 20-4 16-4 .498 .529
7. UW-Platteville 19-6 17-5 .526 .535
8. Loras         19-6 16-4 .518 .535


Numbers listed are overall record, regional record, opponents' winning percentage, and opponents' opponents' winning percentage.

OxyBob

OB, your point?

Win or lose, Oxy is almost surely in.  Lose, and Cal Lu is probably in, though their OWP is awfully 'iffy'.

The d3 selection criteria are what they are - why blame Pat?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 27, 2008, 10:06:02 PM
PC in no way 'discounted it' (predictably, or not), he merely observed that (in terms of primary criteria, however impressive it may otherwise be) the win over Gettysburg does not exist in the eyes of the selection committee.  Is that a problem?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 27, 2008, 10:32:17 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 27, 2008, 10:18:54 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on February 27, 2008, 10:06:02 PM
PC in no way 'discounted it' (predictably, or not), he merely observed that (in terms of primary criteria, however impressive it may otherwise be) the win over Gettysburg does not exist in the eyes of the selection committee.  Is that a problem?

Ypsi, I realize that your schtick is to be PC's attorney, but this is getting a bit tiresome. So, is he JUST your client, or do you have a problem?  Either way, kindly find a new foil. In fact, I hereby specifically prohibit you from further reading or commenting on my posts ever again. I further demand that you STOP READING THIS POST IMMEDIATELY! I mean it! Don't read this! STOP before I get mad!

OxyBob

Nice try (bringing the pool C comments to your 'home court'), but I dare say that Pat has hammered me over the years more often than anyone who has not been banned!  I somehow doubt he would hire a retired sociologist as his attorney. ;)

But, as usual, you prefer the 'comedy' hatchet job to responding to the post itself.

BTW, I read the entire post - so sue me.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 27, 2008, 10:46:42 PM
I merely attempted to correct your attempt at clouding the issue by clarifying what information is actually used in the NCAA selection process.

The ax-grinding is indeed growing old. You may wish to find something else to complain about. I have tolerated ax-grinding so far but the Terms of Service say I do not have to.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LogShow on February 27, 2008, 11:25:12 PM
OB just likes to debate in a scarcastic humorous way.  Take them for what the are...funny with points tossed in there every so often.

As an outsider always keeping tabs on the SCIAC, I got to say I am looking forward to seeing how the 1st year of the conference tourney shakes out.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: snoop dawg on February 28, 2008, 12:07:46 AM
PC...I'll represent you.  I specialize in ax grinding.  A small nonrefundable retainer is required say 195 +K points will suffice.  You can make installments if you need to.

"I further demand that you STOP READING THIS POST IMMEDIATELY! I mean it! Don't read this! STOP before I get mad!"

My sentiments exactly.


Snoopy


Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LogShow on February 28, 2008, 12:44:02 AM
Snoop, from the looks of your Karma I would think that you invented axe grinding.  :D

Here's one to get you back on track...only 195 to go.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 28, 2008, 01:20:47 AM
This is without question my favorite board in all of Posting Up.  I just felt like I had to say that. :)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: snoop dawg on February 28, 2008, 11:33:17 AM
Nice to see Conner doing well, he is a great kid.  I coached him for two years in travel ball.  Congrats Conner, keep it up.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on February 28, 2008, 12:16:47 PM
Took the 8 year old son to an Oxy women's home game earlier this year . . . am thinking about taking him to the first round SCIAC men's game on Friday night . . .

. . . . so my question to you all is . . .

How are the crowds at Oxy men's games . . . 8 year old appropriate . . . or on the louder, more profane side?

And . . . what's the latest on Sasich?

tooth
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OXY Oswald on February 28, 2008, 12:27:50 PM
Quote from: Sabretooth Tiger on February 28, 2008, 12:16:47 PM
Took the 8 year old son to an Oxy women's home game earlier this year . . . am thinking about taking him to the first round SCIAC men's game on Friday night . . .

. . . . so my question to you all is . . .

How are the crowds at Oxy men's games . . . 8 year old appropriate . . . or on the louder, more profane side?

And . . . what's the latest on Sasich?

tooth
The men's games are definitely louder/more crowded than the women's, I'd say you safe bringing the youngin' to the game though.  The surliest the crowd will get is to chant "push it," in order to get around those pesky no swearing rules. 

The student section mainly sits in the bleachers across from the opposing bench, so if you pick some seats across from Oxy's bench, or in the bleachers they pull out part way behind the Tiger bench, you'll have a good/clean time.

Sasich posted 11 minutes in the game against the La Verne and was dressed on the sideline against Cal Lu, but did not check in.  Not sure on the actual status of his health, but getting him back in the lineup is great news for the Tigers.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DIIIghetto on February 28, 2008, 01:29:19 PM
I hope CLU is prepared for the possibility that Kats played some mind games in that last game.  His team was playing the best in the conference going into that game.  Their drubbing at the hands of CLU had me scratching my head.  Not to take anything away from CLU, because they are good enough to take PP's best shot and beat them, but don't sleep on Kats.  He has lots of tricks and undoubtedly had the conference tourney in mind when coming up with a strategy in that last game.  Win two games, go to the Tourney.  Simple as that. 

I find the criticisms of the post-season tournament interesting.  The ONLY reason we need it is the right reason, to send our best rep to the tournament.  Coaches and the players get used to the win or go home format.  Much, much overdue for our conference and reflects an equally overdue sentiment that the end game here is not the Conference banner, but competing nationally.     

 

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on February 28, 2008, 04:40:25 PM
QuoteObservers of the SCIAC know it tends to be on something other than the cutting edge when it comes to Division III trends

:-[
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on February 28, 2008, 05:02:03 PM
I agree with Bob (and coach Rider).  The Tournament keeps most teams relevant much longer.  I am especially excited about this year's version, even though you could make the argument that in this particular season the two top teams might have had a better chance of both going to the playoffs without the tourney.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciacguru on February 28, 2008, 08:11:53 PM
Quote from: scandihoovian on February 28, 2008, 05:02:03 PM
I agree with Bob (and coach Rider).  The Tournament keeps most teams relevant much longer.  I am especially excited about this year's version, even though you could make the argument that in this particular season the two top teams might have had a better chance of both going to the playoffs without the tourney.

In the past, if this scenario occurred, then Oxy and CLU would play for the AQ at a neutral site.  I think CLU's only chance at the NCAA's is to win out any way.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 29, 2008, 04:36:31 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 28, 2008, 11:20:15 AM
Quote from: David Collinge on February 28, 2008, 01:20:47 AM
This is without question my favorite board in all of Posting Up.  I just felt like I had to say that.

"I won't insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just said." -- William F. Buckley, Jr., 1925-2008

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Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on February 29, 2008, 04:47:45 PM
Oxy Bob - Speculating on NCAA first round sites. If Occidental wins the conference tournament, am I right, to think that they would probably host the first weekend on the West Coas?. And, If they would, are there four teams out there? What's the chances of that Pod needing a #4 seed from the midwest?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 29, 2008, 06:09:35 PM
This pod is more likely to pull its fourth team -- if there is one -- out of Texas and the SLIAC winner is more likely to get bused to Centre or possibly Millsaps or Maryville (Tenn.).
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 01, 2008, 12:06:43 AM
I enjoyed listening to the CMS-Oxy game.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on March 01, 2008, 12:14:56 AM
Well, I did not see that coming.  Either PP or CMS will get the auto bid.  I am still glad the SCIAC has a Tourney - but this is a tough one to swallow.

CLU dominated the first fifteen minutes, leading 28-12 at one point.  Then the Hens got hot and the Kingsmen got cold.  Pomona played great D in the second half, shutting down CLU's inside game.  CLU had several open looks at threes - it seemed like every single one of them went in and out  :-[

Good luck to whoever represents the conference, and congrats to the Kingsmen and Tigers for outstanding seasons.  I hope at least one of them (likely Oxy with their higher ranking and wins over CLU) still gets a bid.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: nwhoops1903 on March 01, 2008, 02:44:06 AM
Bob, put down the gun.  Go to your happy place
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D O.C. on March 01, 2008, 10:00:15 PM
I feel your pain. Still, it must have been something to eyewitness that
Quotenifty footwork
albeit, in a losing cause.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pomonaalum on March 01, 2008, 11:19:44 PM
Pomona up by 5 early in the 2nd half in a low scoring game
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 01, 2008, 11:25:03 PM
A frequent listener here!

Good broadcast!

You are the Game of the Night, now!  :)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pomonaalum on March 01, 2008, 11:39:26 PM
CMS was up 24-17 when I turned on the game, with less than 10 minutes in the first half.  It is now PP up 42-30 with under 7 minutes to go in the game.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pomonaalum on March 01, 2008, 11:43:50 PM
2 straight CMS 3 point plays, lead is now 6 with 4:27 to play.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pomonaalum on March 01, 2008, 11:48:36 PM
10-0 CMS run, 42-40 lead for PP....2 min to go.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 01, 2008, 11:55:14 PM
Lost the signal... 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Titan Q on March 01, 2008, 11:59:10 PM
Broadcast crew lobbying hard for loser of CMS and Pomona-Pitzer to get a Pool C bid over Occidental! :)

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Titan Q on March 02, 2008, 12:01:20 AM
PP 44
CMS 42

:13

PP heading to FT line
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Titan Q on March 02, 2008, 12:02:46 AM
Overtime!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pomonaalum on March 02, 2008, 12:04:19 AM
PP makes 1 of 2 FTs, CMS hits a 3 at the buzzer.  Guess Kats didn't try to foul...
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Titan Q on March 02, 2008, 12:10:58 AM
I lost the stream right after the 3 to send it to OT...anyone have updates?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pomonaalum on March 02, 2008, 12:12:23 AM
It's back up again...21 seconds to go, PP up by 2.  Reynolds just missed a FT, then both teams turned it over...CMS ball.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pomonaalum on March 02, 2008, 12:14:02 AM
CMS 3-pointer no good, Jabarri Reynolds to the line for 2 shots for :06 to go.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pomonaalum on March 02, 2008, 12:14:36 AM
Reynolds missed the 1st.  1 more to go, still up 2...TO called.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 02, 2008, 12:15:49 AM
Still cannot get the stream...

Is their server overloaded?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Titan Q on March 02, 2008, 12:16:44 AM
Pomona-Pitzer is dancing!  55-53 final.

That was funny when the broadcasters were lobbying D3hoops.com - and the D3hoops.com "pollsters" - for a Pool C bid for the loser.  :)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pomonaalum on March 02, 2008, 12:16:51 AM
Missed the 2nd...CMS ball out of bound with :02.

CMS misses a 3.  PP to the big dance.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 02, 2008, 12:20:27 AM
Quote from: Titan Q on March 02, 2008, 12:16:44 AM
Pomona-Pitzer is dancing!  55-53 final.

That was funny when the broadcasters were lobbying D3hoops.com - and the D3hoops.com "pollsters" - for a Pool C bid for the loser.  :)
Read the Handbook (http://www.ncaa.org/library/handbooks/basketball/2008/2008_d3_m_basketball_handbook.pdf) and the FAQ (http://www.d3hoops.com/faq.php?category=NCAA%20Tournament)!

:D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 02, 2008, 12:21:29 AM
Quote from: Titan Q on March 02, 2008, 12:16:44 AM
Pomona-Pitzer is dancing!  55-53 final.

That was funny when the broadcasters were lobbying D3hoops.com - and the D3hoops.com "pollsters" - for a Pool C bid for the loser.  :)

Well ... are you gonna 'vote' a spot for CMS?! ;D

[Afterall, if they're in, the Titans have to be in - right?]
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 02, 2008, 12:30:02 AM
I enjoyed the broadcast too ... in a weird sort of way. :)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on March 02, 2008, 12:32:42 AM
Good luck,  Pomona.

I hope you get a decent first round match.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dj_hyphen on March 02, 2008, 12:48:48 AM
http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/3717/dancinvu4.jpg

D3 at its finest
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on March 02, 2008, 11:33:20 AM
I think that Claremont having to travel all the way to Pomona adversely affected their performance... ;D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DIIIghetto on March 02, 2008, 01:06:26 PM
Post-conference tourney was a smashing success.  Funny, how 1 weekend of the conference tournament flipped everything on its head.  PP historically opposed the conference tournament, undoubtedly because PP has had more than its share of conference titles and feared losing the bid to the 4th seed upstart.   Oxy, on the other hand, always supported it. 

What happened at PP on Saturday night is exactly why this conference tournament was something we needed a decade ago.  Congrats to our 4th seed Sagehens for taking the 1st SCIAC post-season tournament.  It would be great to see Oxy or even CLU get a bid and show that the tremendous body of work they did during the season was noticed. 

But even if they don't, I have no doubt that we are sending the team to the post-season that has the best chance of winning games.  Kats, for all of his post-season blunders, needed this tournament more than anything.  His boys are better prepared now having gone through this weekend than even his better teams from the past.   
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LogShow on March 02, 2008, 03:28:15 PM
Sounds like the Pomona/CMS game was a great one.  Best of luck to Pomona in the tourney...atleast they don't have to come up the the Pacific Northwest and play UPS this time :)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LogShow on March 02, 2008, 03:33:40 PM
Also good luck to Oxy, I am still holding out hope for a Pool C for them.  They have had a great season.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on March 02, 2008, 05:19:29 PM
Quote from: DIIIghetto on March 02, 2008, 01:06:26 PM
Post-conference tourney was a smashing success.  Funny, how 1 weekend of the conference tournament flipped everything on its head.  PP historically opposed the conference tournament, undoubtedly because PP has had more than its share of conference titles and feared losing the bid to the 4th seed upstart.   Oxy, on the other hand, always supported it. 

What happened at PP on Saturday night is exactly why this conference tournament was something we needed a decade ago.  Congrats to our 4th seed Sagehens for taking the 1st SCIAC post-season tournament.  It would be great to see Oxy or even CLU get a bid and show that the tremendous body of work they did during the season was noticed. 

But even if they don't, I have no doubt that we are sending the team to the post-season that has the best chance of winning games.  Kats, for all of his post-season blunders, needed this tournament more than anything.  His boys are better prepared now having gone through this weekend than even his better teams from the past.   

Ghetto-

I agree with you 100% about the tourney.  I don't like this year's results but that's just due to school loyalty.  I was excited for the CLU women's soccer team when they played their way in from the fourth seed to the NCAA tourney, and so I understand why PP is so excited to get the autobid. (nice picture hyphen - I always wondered what the Rains center looked like with people in it  :D)

Friday night was tough to stomach, but PP played the game they needed in order to beat the Kingsmen, and in the words of Coach Rider "We picked a bad night to have a bad night."  I saw almost 80 minutes of CLU-PP basketball this year, and the Hens only looked good for about 23 of those minutes.  That they were the most important 23 minutes is another story ;)

I disagree, however, that our conference's best tournament hopes rest with the Hens.  We all know that they struggle in the  national tourney. I think their strength, year in and year out, is gearing up to beat conference opponents.  I think that both Oxy and CLU this year demonstrated an ability to beat quality teams they had not previously played, which to me seems like the most important quality in a tourney rep.  That's now a moot point because both teams, obviously, missed out on their chance to lock up a bid.  I hope the committee lets one of them in, but in any case I'll be cheering for the Hens to turn their tourney fortunes around.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LogShow on March 02, 2008, 11:36:01 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on March 02, 2008, 05:51:23 PM
Quote from: DIIIghetto on March 02, 2008, 01:06:26 PM
But even if they don't, I have no doubt that we are sending the team to the post-season that has the best chance of winning games.  Kats, for all of his post-season blunders, needed this tournament more than anything.  His boys are better prepared now having gone through this weekend than even his better teams from the past.   

Kat is a really good coach, but I think we should hold off recommending to Rome that the Pope break the rule requiring the five-year wait after death to begin the process of sainthood, or nominating Kat for a Nobel Prize. Pomona was 13-12, 8-6 in the SCIAC, and 1-3 against Oxy and CLU. The Sagehens caught CLU on a bad night and survived CMS even while blowing a 12-point lead with 6 minutes to go. Pomona won the SCIAC tournament, so they earned the AQ because that's how it works. But the SCIAC's best team? Uh, sorry, but not even Coach Kat thinks that:

Quote"They had such a wonderful season," Katsiaficas said of the Kingsmen. "Co-champions; they and Oxy were a cut above in the double-round robin."

OxyBob

well said! on any given night...
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 02, 2008, 11:39:32 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on March 02, 2008, 01:37:06 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on March 02, 2008, 11:33:20 AM
I think that Claremont having to travel all the way to Pomona adversely affected their performance...

Claremont also played a couple of inexperienced freshman, was in foul trouble, suffered from bad officiating, and had the sun in their eyes.

Article in Time magazine about Caltech basketball:

Postcard: Pasadena (http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1718579,00.html)

QuoteWill Caltech ever shine on the court? [Head coach Roy] Dow is a committed coach. He just wishes the administration would show more support for sports. "The school strives for excellence in so many endeavors," he says. "Why should this other experience be so poor?" At other Division III schools, coaches and admissions officers often work together to identify potential players and set aside spots for a few who may not qualify academically for the school. Dow says he has a "nonexistent" relationship with the Caltech admissions office. "People here aren't comfortable with any guarantees," says Caltech admissions director Rick Bischoff.

Contrast Dow's plight with what's going on at one of the supposed bastions of education, Harvard, as reported in the New York Times:

In a New Era at Harvard, New Questions of Standards (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/02/sports/ncaabasketball/02harvard.html?ref=sports)

QuoteYet the group of six recruits expected to join the team next season is rated among the nation's 25 best. This is partly because Harvard Coach Tommy Amaker, who starred at Duke and coached in the Big East and Big Ten conferences, has set his sights on top-flight recruits. It is also because Harvard is willing to consider players with a lower academic standing than previous staff members said they were allowed to. Harvard has also adopted aggressive recruiting tactics that skirt or, in some cases, may even violate National Collegiate Athletic Association rules.

OxyBob
Wasn't it the abuses of intercollegiate athletics at places like Harvard that prompted the creation of the NCAA by old Teddy back in '06?   :D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fosheezie on March 03, 2008, 12:36:59 AM
But even if they don't, I have no doubt that we are sending the team to the post-season that has the best chance of winning games.  Kats, for all of his post-season blunders, needed this tournament more than anything.  His boys are better prepared now having gone through this weekend than even his better teams from the past.   

Kat is a really good coach, but I think we should hold off recommending to Rome that the Pope break the rule requiring the five-year wait after death to begin the process of sainthood, or nominating Kat for a Nobel Prize. Pomona was 13-12, 8-6 in the SCIAC, and 1-3 against Oxy and CLU. The Sagehens caught CLU on a bad night and survived CMS even while blowing a 12-point lead with 6 minutes to go. Pomona won the SCIAC tournament, so they earned the AQ because that's how it works. But the SCIAC's best team? Uh, sorry, but not even Coach Kat thinks that:

'They had such a wonderful season," Katsiaficas said of the Kingsmen. "Co-champions; they and Oxy were a cut above in the double-round robin."

OxyBob, do me a favor and stop hatin' on Coach Kat.  I was at both games and saw a team that played hard.  They were not very talented at all, but they got the job done, unlike your beloved Oxy Tigers.  TThere was no bad officiating either.  It was an ugly game, but they won it. The fact that he can drive those less-talented players into winning two huge games just adds to his resume.  So give the guy some credit, he has won 11 SCIAC titles. In the day and age of coaches losing their touch as time goes on, he still finds ways to get stronger and amaze even more.  He is a great motivator, competitor, and has a huge b-ball IQ, so that is why he is good.  And he can say one thing, the rest of the coaches, even Newhall cannot say at this moment, "See you at practice on Monday!"

YOU LIKE APPLES, HOW YOU LIKE 'DEM APPLES!!!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on March 03, 2008, 12:58:28 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 02, 2008, 11:39:32 PM
Wasn't it the abuses of intercollegiate athletics at places like Harvard that prompted the creation of the NCAA by old Teddy back in '06?   :D
That, and the deaths caused by the flying wedge. :(
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciacguru on March 03, 2008, 01:47:36 AM
ALL SCIAC posted:

The 2007-2008 All-SCIAC Men's Basketball Honors have been named.  The Conference Co-Champions and recipients of the Dave Jacobs Trophy were the Occidental College Tigers and California Lutheran University Kingsmen.  Pomona-Pitzer Sagehens were crowned the SCIAC Tournament Champions.   

David Wells Player of the Year:  Connor Whitman, Senior, Occidental College, 6'1"
Ted Ducey Award Recipients: Jabarri Reynolds, Senior, Pomona-Pitzer, 6'4"
                                                 Matt Loretz, Senior, University of Redlands, 6'5"

First Team                    
Justin Sexton    SO    Pomona-Pitzer     6'8"    Watertown, MA
Jabarri Reynolds SR     Pomona-Pitzer     6'4"     Chicago, IL
Dave Thomas    SR    University of Redlands     6'3"     Santa Cruz, CA
Dan Winterbottom     SR     Claremont-Mudd-Scripps     6'3"     Tempe, AZ
Andy Meier     SO     California Lutheran University     6'7"     Parker, CO
Michael Archuletta        JR        Whittier College     6'6"     Manhattan Beach, CA
                    
Second Team                    
Bryan Hires    SR     California Institute of Technology     6'6"     Columbus, IN
Deshion Inniss     SR     California Lutheran University     5'10"     Oxnard, CA
Juan Canas     SR     University of La Verne     6'1"     Commerce, CA
Huston Conti     JR     Occidental College     6'2"     Seattle, WA
Jeff McLean     JR     Whittier College     6'6"    Hingham, MA
Mychal Owens     SO     California Lutheran University     6'5"     Oregon City, OR

Let the debates begin.....I have a few
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LogShow on March 03, 2008, 02:35:52 AM
As an outsider I am not familiar with the Ted Ducey Award.  What traits/characteristics goes into chooseing recipients for this award?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 03, 2008, 02:41:52 AM
Pat and the boys are projecting that the SCIAC will get not one but two Pool C bids: Oxy and Cal Lu. Interesting.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: April on March 03, 2008, 05:45:29 AM
Well that was an awesome month worth of post catching up on....

Basically, I flipped about the CalTech winning score and recovered 5 seconds later, and I am bummed I missed OxyBob color commentating. I loled hard about the Airball / Cal Tech joke, and I am totally carrying the d3hoops.com Top 25 poll the next time I go hiking.

I am sorry I missed essentially all the season guys, it's harder to make games now that I have a life. :P I do agree with David that this is the best board on Posting Up though!  8)

I do hope SCIAC gets to host, it would be nice to have some games out here. I will be crossing my fingers and toes in my sleep tonight. :)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on March 03, 2008, 10:54:30 AM
Here's what Mr. Sager is referring to : Our projected Field of 59 (http://www.d3hoops.com/salem/08/projected.htm)

I am not sure that I am ready for a brave new world that allows three SCIAC teams into the postseason  :D.

I hesitate to post about the all-SCIAC teams as I did not see everyone play this year.  I know that much of CLU's success came through the leadership of their senior guards, so I'm a little surprised that Inniss is not a first teamer.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OXY Oswald on March 03, 2008, 12:36:53 PM
Good luck to the Sagehens in the great white north against our friends at Whitworth.

And congratulations to Oxy on the first round bye.  Let's take that week, shake off the conference tournament and get ready for the madness!

Looks like Chapman and CLU left their dancing shoes at home...
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on March 03, 2008, 01:00:56 PM
Good luck to the Hens and the Tigers.  Here's the Bracket (http://www.d3hoops.com/salem/08/pairings.htm)  Thanks to Pat and D3 Hoops for the coverage, and the nod.  Too bad it didn't work out that way.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: buf on March 03, 2008, 01:03:45 PM
Now they are saying Oxy plays PP on Thursday, with the winner going to Whitworth
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on March 03, 2008, 01:12:59 PM
Wooo Nellie........

Looks like the selection committee  really learned from their past mistakes.  ;)

Wait Just a second, i'm also with Buf on being confused about the bracket. Does that mean that Rush gym is one of the sites that will host a game from the tourney? Or Oxy host the Hens???
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: buf on March 03, 2008, 01:23:15 PM
I believe Oxy hosts the 1st round game with the winner going to Whitworth
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LogShow on March 03, 2008, 01:40:17 PM
Congrats to Oxy for being selected!

Shame on the NCAA for switching things around.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: (509)Rat on March 03, 2008, 01:49:57 PM
It is snowing in Spokane right now :D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LogShow on March 03, 2008, 01:52:05 PM
What happened to all the talk of not matching teams up from the same conference in the 1st round?  And I am a NWC guy but WW definately did not deserve a first round bye and then host the second round game.  Too bad for Oxy, really getting the short end of  the deal.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on March 03, 2008, 01:57:11 PM
I am sure that once the NC$$ got a chance to think about a little they figured out they could easily narrow it down from two flights to one - despite the fact that Oxy is the more deserving team in terms of a first round bye and hosting a second round game.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on March 03, 2008, 01:58:10 PM
Hey Folks,

Oxy does play the Hens for the 1st round on thursday night at the Rock. This should be interesting considering the long travel that pomona has to take on a busy L.A. afternoon on the road. :P
On the other hand, the Whitworthpirates do have the night off.  

And btw, thanks to Ralph Turner for clarifying such big mistake. Hats off to you sir.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LogShow on March 03, 2008, 02:10:54 PM
I posted this in the NWC board:

QuoteWell WW definately earned their spot in the NCAA but considering they weren't ever ranked in the regional rankings (maybe the last secret rankings) it is very suprising.  There are 5 total byes, if they were strictly given on merit, then WW wouldn't even been considered as one of the top 5 teams in country.  But since the NCAA doesn't make any money on this tournament and tries to cut corners, WW gets the bye then gets to host.  Also I am pretty sure that in the rules it states that two teams from the same conference shall not meet each other in the first round. 

I think that what would have made the most sense would have been to give Chapman the bid and let Oxy host, then it could have been a 4-team pod of WW, Chapman, Oxy, and Pomona.  With WW playing Pomona and Oxy playing Chapman.  That way only WW would have had to fly and the NCAA could have saved their money, and that way the bye could have been better used else where.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LogShow on March 03, 2008, 02:11:49 PM
Could there be some more 11th hour dealings and the NCAA make another change...like last year?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bbaddict on March 03, 2008, 02:13:04 PM
Quote from: LogShow on March 03, 2008, 01:52:05 PM
What happened to all the talk of not matching teams up from the same conference in the 1st round?  And I am a NWC guy but WW definately did not deserve a first round bye and then host the second round game.  Too bad for Oxy, really getting the short end of  the deal.

Cmon Logs!  You're just sour grapes because Whitworth beat UPS 3 times!!  UPS barely squeaked by WU to go up to Whitworth just to lose terribly!  What was with that!

How could Oxy deserve a bye when they lost to PP and Whittier.  Whitworth's conference losses were only to teams that tied for the top of the conference!  They won the conference fair & square and deserve the position.  Is it unlikely for NWC to get that?  Yes!  Undeserved?  Heck no!

So, go cheer for the UPS women against GFU.

If anyone in the SCIAC got ripped, it's Cal Lu!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LogShow on March 03, 2008, 02:25:37 PM
If you would have actually read my other posts (like the one right above your last post) instead of eagerly jumping to conclusions, then you would have known, that I didn't think any of the teams on the west coast should have gotten a bye.  But since you didn't I will repeat myself.  It should have been a 4 team pod including Chapman.


Also, teams are not just evaluated on their conference losses.  There in much more that goes into the process.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: nwhoops1903 on March 03, 2008, 02:28:38 PM
Quote from: LogShow on March 03, 2008, 02:11:49 PM
Could there be some more 11th hour dealings and the NCAA make another change...like last year?
I think it is always unfortunate when things get announced and then, BOOM!!, changed.  Even though I agree with the logic of the switch and it does benefit my team, it is an unnecessary occurence.  Both scenarios make sense, however, despite the regional rankings, Oxy did slip up and should be forced to pay for it if all things are equal.  WW has won their conf. outright and tourney outright.  That's 2 for 2.  Oxy, 1 of 2.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bbaddict on March 03, 2008, 02:32:59 PM
Oh, I've read your other posts, Logs, on this site and others.  From it I've determined that you're a closet SCIAC fan!  First, UPS then anyone SCIAC!  Am I right?

And you can ding my karma all you want!  Having lots of karma isn't worth giving up being right!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LogShow on March 03, 2008, 02:34:46 PM
Point well taken.  I just hate the "here you go...just kidding" routine of the NCAA.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on March 03, 2008, 02:35:19 PM
It's actually the fairer result, imho, as Oxy stumbled to the finish and Whitworth finished strong.  I surely hope that it was just a mistake in reading off the pairings and not some sinister thing like happened last year, but it's hard to get that stench out of the way.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bbaddict on March 03, 2008, 02:38:36 PM
Quote from: LogShow on March 03, 2008, 02:34:46 PM
Point well taken.  I just hate the "here you go...just kidding" routine of the NCAA.

I'm with you on that!  Doesn't inspire a lot of confidence in the mysterious selection process when they change things, whether it was an oversight or an actual change.

I just don't see why Whitworth or one of the SCIAC teams can't play someone from Texas or something, so they don't end up acing each other out in the early rounds!  Happens every year.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: nwhoops1903 on March 03, 2008, 02:45:28 PM
Quote from: LogShow on March 03, 2008, 02:34:46 PM
Point well taken.  I just hate the "here you go...just kidding" routine of the NCAA.
it is laughable..just leaves some team somewhere else crying.  It will improve.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LogShow on March 03, 2008, 02:46:30 PM
Quote from: bbaddict on March 03, 2008, 02:32:59 PM
Oh, I've read your other posts, Logs, on this site and others.  From it I've determined that you're a closet SCIAC fan!  First, UPS then anyone SCIAC!  Am I right?

And you can ding my karma all you want!  Having lots of karma isn't worth giving up being right!

The real order if you are interested is UPS, NWC, SCIAC.  I fully support WW in their run...I just really don't like the way the NCAA handles things.  I do feel bad for Oxy because this has happened to them two years in a row.

Also, I don't need to drop your karma to feel good about myself.  I got all the satisfaction I needed last Thursday night when Willamette's 20 drunken fans sat with dejected looks on their faces realizing that not only was their season over, but a wicked hangover was about to set in.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: nwhoops1903 on March 03, 2008, 02:48:42 PM
Quote from: bbaddict on March 03, 2008, 02:32:59 PM
Oh, I've read your other posts, Logs, on this site and others.  From it I've determined that you're a closet SCIAC fan!  First, UPS then anyone SCIAC!  Am I right?

Closet SCIAC, now that's funny.  Logshow, the reality is that had you won Sat, OXY would have been hosting not UPS.  WW finally got some just rewards for all the Spokane bashing overthe years and sports.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LogShow on March 03, 2008, 02:58:38 PM
Quote from: nwhoops1903 on March 03, 2008, 02:48:42 PM
Quote from: bbaddict on March 03, 2008, 02:32:59 PM
Oh, I've read your other posts, Logs, on this site and others.  From it I've determined that you're a closet SCIAC fan!  First, UPS then anyone SCIAC!  Am I right?

Closet SCIAC, now that's funny.  Logshow, the reality is that had you won Sat, OXY would have been hosting not UPS.  WW finally got some just rewards for all the Spokane bashing overthe years and sports.

Theres no doubt about it.  If UPS would have won, there was no chance that they would host, because they definately did not deserve it.  WW does deserve some reward for their strong finish.

It really just comes back to the frustration at the NCAA, who has a real conflict of interest of putting together the best possible bracket, when they try to save money with geographic proximity.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bbaddict on March 03, 2008, 03:05:37 PM
I love conspiracy theories . . . thanks OxyBob!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: nwhoops1903 on March 03, 2008, 03:10:33 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on March 03, 2008, 03:02:14 PM
I'll put on my tin foil conspiracy theory hat and tell you why Chapman didn't make the tourney: The tournament is designed to give Amherst the best possible chance of getting into the Final Four. By leaving out Chapman and taking Moravian as a Pool B, the selection committee was able to give Amherst a first round bye, and then have the Lord Jeffs play the winner of Moravian-John Jay, which is not exactly a marquee match-up. Assuming it wins that game, Amherst then plays the survivor of Richard Stockton, Immaculata, Nazareth and Rhode Island College, none of which are ranked in the D3hoops Top 25, thereby essentially putting Amherst in the sectionals without really having to exert itself.

Farewell for now from the grassy knoll.

OxyBob
Good work there.  I like it.  Amherst is controlled by Sith Lords as well, hey it's what I hear.  Sue me.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on March 03, 2008, 03:18:23 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on March 03, 2008, 03:02:14 PM
I'll put on my tin foil conspiracy theory hat and tell you why Chapman didn't make the tourney: The tournament is designed to give Amherst the best possible chance of getting into the Final Four. By leaving out Chapman and taking Moravian as a Pool B, the selection committee was able to give Amherst a first round bye, and then have the Lord Jeffs play the winner of Moravian-John Jay, which is not exactly a marquee match-up. Assuming it wins that game, Amherst then plays the survivor of Richard Stockton, Immaculata, Nazareth and Rhode Island College, none of which are ranked in the D3hoops Top 25, thereby essentially putting Amherst in the sectionals without really having to exert itself.

Farewell for now from the grassy knoll.

OxyBob

Nonsense.  I don't know how you can say that the NCAA designs the brackets to ensure that Amherst gets to Salem nearly every year.  You should need no further proof than the fact that Amherst actually succeeds in reaching Salem nearly every year.  If the NCAA were really trying to rig it in Amherst's favor, the Lord Jeffs would end up losing in an incarnation of the ECAC tournament held on some barge drifting around Lake Michigan.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DIIIghetto on March 03, 2008, 04:58:48 PM
DIII powers,

What are the chances that the Committee reverses its decision on that 1st round game against SCIAC schools?  Wasn't their an uproar last year when Oxy was sent out to MC because originally MC was slated to play a conference school?  That uproar lead to a subsequent re-scheduling to avoid that first round conference match up. 

Why not send Whitworth down to So Cal for the game Thursday then keep them around for a Saturday game if needed?  Wasn't the SCIAC ranked higher regionally anyway? 

This seems like a GREAT opportunity for the Committee to move fast and correct a mistake - yet another mistake that involves the SCIAC. 

How about it folks, a SCIAC hosted 1st & 2nd round, let's get after this.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on March 03, 2008, 05:10:21 PM
I think it's payback for leaving WW out of the FB playoffs.  How can they do this to the same team twice in consecutive years?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: nwhoops1903 on March 03, 2008, 05:11:03 PM
Oxy or SCIAC, despite better regional ranking, could not have been awarded 2 home games after losing their Conf. Tourney.  Coming to WW, who won NWC outright and the NWC tourney is the right move.  OXY wiill get their rematch vs PP  This all seems so ridiculously simple and justifiable.  I am so impressed with the committee for making a good choice and maintaining their one team flies rule.

SCIAC basically gets a redo of their Conf. Tourney and Oxy must now prove they are legit regionally by winning Thu.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: nwhoops1903 on March 03, 2008, 05:12:28 PM
Quote from: tigersports on March 03, 2008, 05:10:21 PM
I think it's payback for leaving WW out of the FB playoffs.  How can they do this to the same team twice in consecutive years?
Debatable but impossible.  Didn't happen.  Makes for good talk.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: old_hooper on March 03, 2008, 05:15:36 PM
They could still do it where Whitworth comes down and play on Friday against PP and the winner play on Saturday.  A little different format but seems like a reasonable thing to do and avoid the SCIAC teams playing each other in the first round.  Gotta feel bad for Chapman and Cal Lu.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DIIIghetto on March 03, 2008, 05:28:27 PM
Whitworth fans justifiably feel great - especially looking at their away record.

What they miss is that (a) last year Oxy got screwed due to a 'policy' of trying to avoid interconference games in the first round and  (b) our conference had the higher regional rankings.  Add to those two compelling reasons for why the SCIAC should host this weekend the well-known fact that the Committee shafted the SCIAC last year after having announced the brackets, changing the 1st round matchup to pit the SCIAC against the strongest team in the bracket, and you have all you need to tell the folks from Spokane to book their tickets to LA. 

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: nwhoops1903 on March 03, 2008, 05:55:45 PM
Oxy made their own bed by losing a game they should have won.  No offense to PP but that's the fact and they even get a home game to make it up.  Cal Lu lost there way out of the tournament.  However, had Oxy won the SCIAC tourney, Cal Lu would have likely gotten the pool C Oxy recieved.  Does Whitworth benefit from all this, absolutely.  Did WW win its Conf reg and tourney outright?  Yep.  Does Oxy deserve to get a pass?  Nope.

As for last year, WW could make a case for having to go where they went as well.  But last year is last year and football and volleyball and girls basketball seedings that were odd...It all doesn't matter cause each sport, each year doesn't effect the other.

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DIIIghetto on March 03, 2008, 06:18:28 PM
Good points NW.  No doubt all this could have turned out differently. 

Question I have looking at Whitworth's roster is whether the NCAA tournament conflicts with any of its national juco tournament dates (http://www.njcaabbtrny.org/mod/index.htm)?

I mean, Whitworth is a good school,was the pressure from UPS winning so much that they had to go to the point where they brought in 6 junior college players?  Wow.  That is more juco kids than Gonzaga and Washington State combined.   



Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: nwhoops1903 on March 03, 2008, 06:28:24 PM
Quote from: DIIIghetto on March 03, 2008, 06:18:28 PM
Good points NW.  No doubt all this could have turned out differently. 

Question I have looking at Whitworth's roster is whether the NCAA tournament conflicts with any of its national juco tournament dates (http://www.njcaabbtrny.org/mod/index.htm)?

I mean, Whitworth is a good school,was the pressure from UPS winning so much that they had to go to the point where they brought in 6 junior college players?  Wow.  That is more juco kids than Gonzaga and Washington State combined.   
What are you saying?  These kids don't deserve a good education?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bbaddict on March 03, 2008, 06:35:36 PM
Quote from: DIIIghetto on March 03, 2008, 06:18:28 PM
Good points NW.  No doubt all this could have turned out differently. 

Question I have looking at Whitworth's roster is whether the NCAA tournament conflicts with any of its national juco tournament dates (http://www.njcaabbtrny.org/mod/index.htm)?

I mean, Whitworth is a good school,was the pressure from UPS winning so much that they had to go to the point where they brought in 6 junior college players?  Wow.  That is more juco kids than Gonzaga and Washington State combined.   


One way this really could have "turned out differently" is if Oxy had won their own conference tourney and entered as an AQ (like Whitworth).  Then, I'm certain we wouldn't be having this discussion.  Oxy would be hosting.

Give Whitworth's coach credit for recruiting from JCs -- he gets some good players that way.  His first recruit at Whitworth, Eric Avery, was from a JC and he was very good.  And you don't know much about the NWC if you think UPS winning was pressure on Whitworth -- more like Whitworth was used to winning, especially with Hayford!  UPS had its hey day during Bridgeland's reign, but now it's a conference where 6 our of 9 teams finished with .567 or better conference records. 

So, quit hating on the people who earned their spot and quit whining about what could have been.  Each team at least controls part of its destiny by winning the AQ spot.  Oxy didn't.  They should be happy they're in -- Cal Lu isn't!  And, if you're mad, be mad at the NCAA selection committee, not the team that got the cookie you wanted!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on March 03, 2008, 07:18:03 PM
Holy Sh** . . . such weeping and gnashing of teeth . . . this ain't the football board for cryin' out loud.

Congrats to the Tigers . . . smash da' Hens then have a great trip up north for a little pest control on the 'Rats.  (said with a wink to 509)   ;)

io triumphe baby!


Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DIIIghetto on March 03, 2008, 07:30:06 PM
Not mad at Whitworth.   Happy the SCIAC got two teams in.  Great year for us in the southland.  Going to be tough for the SCIAC in Spokane but look at the bright side, we know this year that our conference gets at least 1 win.   And with Oxy in this, you just never know what can happen.  Those kids can rise up.  Unfortunately for them, they go against the SCIAC master class Thursday night, Kats.

I didn't know Whitworth's mission was to provide a 'good education' to junior college students.  Nice justification.  If 6 of Whitworth's transfers are from junior colleges, and basketball players are not getting preferential treatment, then it necessarily follows that Whitworth is letting in what, 50 or 100+ transfers from junior colleges?  I know there are some smart folks over there on the NWC thread and want to know what the feeling is about that.  I just found that number really high for a school with a decent academic reputation.

I can tell you that if Redlands let in 6 juco transfers there would be grumblings from other SCIAC schools about reconsidering their participation in the conference.

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bbaddict on March 03, 2008, 08:09:21 PM
Do people transfer to Redlands?  WU picked up Cameron Mitchell from Redlands and he's quite the post player -- good scorer & rebounder -- and just a sophomore!

Hayford also recruits freshmen.   He's got several sophomores and juniors on the team that have been there since they graduated from high school.   So, get off the junior college recruits -- Whitworth is friendly to transfer students -- look at their web site, there's a whole section for Jr. college transfers.

But are we talking academics or basketball?  Academics -- Oxy's got it!  But, basketball, we'll see ...

Go NWC -- go Bucs!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on March 03, 2008, 08:13:42 PM
So, kids who make the most of their second chance in Juco aren't welcome at the D-III schools?   They have to satisfy themselves with the directional or "states that aren't states" schools? 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: April on March 03, 2008, 08:14:03 PM
Man, I was really hoping for a regional....  :-\

Darn the NCAA for making the SCIAC play eachother in the first time. Can we get some NV/AZ teams in D3 fast? :D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on March 03, 2008, 08:14:32 PM
For the record, if you listened to the selection program and then listened to the ensuing interview with the NCAA rep, there actually wasn't a "mistake and schedule change" like last year with Oxy.  It was originally schedule Oxy v Ponoma-Pitzer, but was edited wrong or something like that and read wrong.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on March 03, 2008, 08:15:07 PM
Quote from: April on March 03, 2008, 08:14:03 PM
Man, I was really hoping for a regional....  :-\

Darn the NCAA for making the SCIAC play eachother in the first time. Can we get some NV/AZ teams in D3 fast? :D

Come on, Wheaton v Lawrence?  You know it's worth the flight.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LogShow on March 03, 2008, 09:15:17 PM
QuoteHayford also recruits freshmen.   He's got several sophomores and juniors on the team that have been there since they graduated from high school.   So, get off the junior college recruits -- Whitworth is friendly to transfer students -- look at their web site, there's a whole section for Jr. college transfers.



He just never plays them. :D His starting 5 are pretty good, so I guess I would play them 40mins a game too.  Just FYI: The starting 5 consists of 3 JC guys, one senior who never played till this year and a pretty good shooting frosh.

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerOldSchool on March 03, 2008, 09:55:10 PM
I am only moved once or twice a year to say anything here, but this is once again ridiculous.  Whether it is football or basketball, the short end continues to point Oxy's direction.

Yes, they could have made it easy by winning out - but would that really make it easy for the committee.  Seems top 7 football teams still have to travel and play road games at the committees whim.  Of course we all know 60 or 80 plane flights add up quickly in the football world.... but 15 or so for hoops is just not justified.

Just get Obama to pay for a  bunch of teams to fly to Oxy, he'd gladly support it - he did rake in 10 mil last month in donations hehe.

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: nwhoops1903 on March 03, 2008, 10:25:49 PM
Quote from: DIIIghetto on March 03, 2008, 07:30:06 PM
Not mad at Whitworth...I didn't know Whitworth's mission was to provide a 'good education' to junior college students.  Nice justification.  If 6 of Whitworth's transfers are from junior colleges, and basketball players are not getting preferential treatment, then it necessarily follows that Whitworth is letting in what, 50 or 100+ transfers from junior colleges?  I know there are some smart folks over there on the NWC thread and want to know what the feeling is about that.  I just found that number really high for a school with a decent academic reputation.

I can tell you that if Redlands let in 6 juco transfers there would be grumblings from other SCIAC schools about reconsidering their participation in the conference.
Attacking JUCO kids and WW for having room for those is irratating and snobish.  These kids are playing D3 and are paying for their own education and meeting entrance standards and maintaining GPA's.  One of our JUCO's EARNED this headline:
Whitworth University men's basketball player Colin Willemsen has been recognized by regional college sports information directors for excellence on the court and in the classroom and has been named to the ESPN The Magazine CoSIDA Academic All-District VIII College Division men's basketball team. He is a Second Team selection sporting a 3.47 GPA. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: nwhoops1903 on March 03, 2008, 10:40:25 PM
Quote from: tigersports on March 03, 2008, 08:13:42 PM
So, kids who make the most of their second chance in Juco aren't welcome at the D-III schools?   They have to satisfy themselves with the directional or "states that aren't states" schools? 
No, they don't.  The schools that "grumble" because they see and treat these fine young people as lower class students and individuals can go soil their Memorial Day weekend white khakis.  Sterotyping is such an ignorant and lazy character flaw.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: nwhoops1903 on March 03, 2008, 10:51:36 PM
Quote from: LogShow on March 03, 2008, 09:15:17 PM
QuoteHayford also recruits freshmen.   He's got several sophomores and juniors on the team that have been there since they graduated from high school.   So, get off the junior college recruits -- Whitworth is friendly to transfer students -- look at their web site, there's a whole section for Jr. college transfers.

He just never plays them. :D His starting 5 are pretty good, so I guess I would play them 40mins a game too.  Just FYI: The starting 5 consists of 3 JC guys, one senior who never played till this year and a pretty good shooting frosh.
I think Hayford focuses on recruits as basketball players with character, coachability, talent and size.  They could be blue or 30 yrs old or half Mayan or HS senior or JUCO or transfer or whatever those things don't matter much if at all.  For the record, 3 JUCO transfers (2 sr, 1 jr) another junior (who did play some as a soph.) and a frosh.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DIIIghetto on March 04, 2008, 12:41:21 AM
Whitworth is a good school.  We have enough jucos in SoCal to know that yes, some of those kids can take advantage of an opportunity and perform well in the classroom of a liberal arts school.  But 6 of them?  Former SCIAC coach Gary Stewart told a friend of mine when he was the assistant at Washington State he felt that the administration was making a mistake by pressuring them to not bring in the 5 juco transfers they wanted (school thought that was too many).   Give Coach Stewart the kind of administrative support that allows Whitworth to bring in 6 juco transfers and I bet he would tell you that he would have had more than one upset of Stanford there at UC Davis. 

I am just in awe that a DIII program at a good school has that big of a juco pipeline.  Hats off to their coach and AD.  I know Whitworth made the unorthodox move away from SAT emphasis but always thought it was well regarded and one of the better small schools in the region.  Every school has junior college admits.  Very few small schools have a significant percentages of their transfers from junior colleges.  Admission offices in good small schools like Whitworth typically watch those juco admissions pretty closely. 

If the basketball team at Whitworth is not getting preferential treatment, then I would expect Whitworth to have dozens of junior college transfers matriculating each year.  The football team at Whitworth lists only 1 more juco transfer than the basktball team.  Between the football and hoops teams that makes 13 juco transfers by my count.   None for the Whitworth women's hoops team but fortunately they looked out for the women's softball team by admitting 4 juco transfers. 

Any other hoops team in the NWC come close to that Whitworth juco pipeline?  Has anyone noticed?  Just so you know that this isn't sour grapes or snobbery, I am pleading with the  AD at Whitworth to apply for the next SCIAC opening.   We need that type of commitment to winning. 

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 04, 2008, 12:45:42 AM
Quote from: tigersports on March 03, 2008, 08:13:42 PM
So, kids who make the most of their second chance in Juco aren't welcome at the D-III schools?   They have to satisfy themselves with the directional or "states that aren't states" schools? 

They aren't welcome in your league, apparently. :)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: NWCer on March 04, 2008, 01:50:06 AM
"Any other hoops team in the NWC come close to that Whitworth juco pipeline?  Has anyone noticed? "

D3 Ghetto, I think the next closest would be LC, a much more rigid and "better" school:

Joey Toboni, Foothill, All-Leaguer last year and 2 year starter
Gene Rivera, Butte, 2 time  All-Leaguer and 2 year starter
Tyson Pappenfus, Starter, All-League talent

and then there are 2 Div. 2 transfers:

Corey Allen, Western Oregon
Josh Kollasch, Western State

and 1 Div. 1 transfer:

Nick Thierry, Montana

Significant transfers were on a number of rosters this year in the NWC, UPS (Brown), PLU (Brandeberry), Pacific (Howe-all leaguer, HarrisonDavis, Hinderman), Linfield (Tesoro, Olson), Whitman (Faidley-all leaguer) George Fox (Campbell and Toetdemeir) and Willamette (Mitchell)

Good luck in Spokane SCIAC, it won't be easy, bring your snow boots...........
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciacguru on March 04, 2008, 01:54:13 AM
Man, I take one day off the site and it just blows up.  I wasnt expecting a debate on JC transfers in the NWC on the  SCIAC site, but then again we do have OxyBob as our heavy contributor, so nothing should surprise me.  Now my thoughts on the All-SCIAC TEAMS:

Quote from: OxyBob on March 03, 2008, 11:06:50 AM
Quote from: LogShow on March 03, 2008, 02:35:52 AM
As an outsider I am not familiar with the Ted Ducey Award.  What traits/characteristics goes into chooseing recipients for this award?

The Ted Ducey Award is bestowed upon the senior player(s) who best exemplifies outstanding achievement in academics, athletics, leadership and sportsmanship. Congratulations to Jabarri Reynolds and Matt Loretz for being so honored.

That sportsmanship was evident when Jabarri Reynolds dunked the ball with 2 secs remaining, rather than holding the ball at half court, after CLU had obviously conceded the game on Friday night.  Evidently, a CLU player had a break away opportunity at the end of the game in their 19 pt win, but was held back by the coaching staff to just pull it out.  I guess he needed to improve upon his 2-7 shooting (1-4 FTs), banked 3 ptr, 4 turnover game.  Yes, congrats on the much deserved award.

I think its an absolute sham that Inniss did not receive 1st Team again this year.  Granted I only saw 4 games this year, but he was the go-to-guy/glue for the Kingsmen along with Arciboni (sp?).  I just find it interesting that some guys make 1st team from a 5th, 6th or 7th place team.  I guess they should change the ALL-SCIAC 1st Team to the MLB All-Star roster, where one player from every team should be represented.

I am not going to diminish the individual accomplishments of some of the other players, but in the case of Mr. Inniss, I must quote the Oxy student body..."Nuts and bolts, Nuts and bolts..."
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bbaddict on March 04, 2008, 02:04:05 AM
Sciacguru -- it's not Oxybob, it's DIIIghetto that's pushing the debate on JUCO transfers.  I don't know why he doesn't just come out & say "Whitworth isn't as prestigious acadmically as Oxy" probably because we'd all agree with him.  But we're here for basketball --- that's the real game on this board.

And LogShow, before you start spouting stuff about playing time you should take a look at UPS' stats -- you can find them on the NWC site (individual stats by team).  Your coach has 5 guys he plays more than 18 min. per game & 8 that play less than 5!  Whitworth has 6 that play more than 18 mpg and only 4 that play less than 5!  And if you want to argue NWC stuff do it on our board not on the SCIAC board where your friends will stick up for you!

Sorry Sciac -- you're right -- this board is about SCIAC.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: NWCer on March 04, 2008, 02:09:38 AM
I'm withca bbadict about discussing NWC topics on our board, but I just wanted to answer D3Ghetto's question.  But it's natural for our posters to crossover on these two boards considering the matchup on Saturday.

Any CLU fans have insight on how their guys are feeling today.  After getting beat in the first round of the tourney and then being left home today at the selection.  From previous posts it sounded as if the CLU coach was quite the advocate for the tourney, is he still feeling the same way?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciac_is_fun on March 04, 2008, 02:28:11 AM
I too was surprised about the (lack of) CLU guard representation on the All-Sciac teams, but I come at it from another angle (as I shared before the teams were chosen).  I think Acerboni was (sad that I have to use the past tense now) every bit as important to that team as Inniss.  Acerboni actually took over the primary point duties this year - Inniss mostly played off the ball.  From my (admittedly limited) vantage point, he was the heart of that team.  But I guess a 6 ppg avg keeps you off the all-conference teams.   It's nice to see Owens recognized, but he's got two more years.  Would've been nice to see the senior, who was probably more important as a whole to the team this year.

good season for the Kingsmen...too bad it had to end the way it did. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: West Coast Bias on March 04, 2008, 02:47:46 AM
Wow what a tough break for Oxy.  I can't imagine seeing your name go up as a team with a first round bye and a 2nd round host, only to find out that you actually have to play one of the hottest teams around, who beat you by 15 in your last meeting, with a win sending you up to play the NWC champ in their gym 2 nights later.

A few random thoughts:

1) I think from the NCAA standpoint, where cost takes precedence over everything, this set up makes the most sense.

2) From strictly a seeding standpoint, Oxy got screwed.  Very similar in region winning percentages.  Oxy strength of schedule 98, Whitworth 322.  In the last West region rankings, Oxy 3, WW unranked.  

3)  No way you could send WW to PP.  PP has made a great run, but Cinderella still goes home at the end of the night in a pumpkin... Sending WW down to play at PP would be even more of a joke than sending Oxy to WW.

4) Really tough to hold conference tournament losses against the #1 seed in a 4 team setup.  To get the #1 seed, you probably had to beat most teams in the league twice, and we all know the cliche about beating a team 3 times.  To all you NWCers, this is why the NWC scrapped the 4 team tournament in 2001 in favor of the 3 team setup you have now.  If I remember correctly, in the first 5 years of the NWC tournament, the regular season champion won the conference tournament and AQ bid ZERO times.

5)  CLU's Innis should have been a first team selection.  Even over his own teammate Meier.  

6)  I believe the Ducey award is voted on by the players.  So obviously the people Reynolds played against felt he exemplified the qualifications of that award.  He dunked the ball, at the end of an emotional game, a game few gave them a chance to win against a team that had whooped them twice.  Damn that 22 year old for making a poor decision...

Thats all for now.  I'll be back eventually with more thoughts.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 04, 2008, 03:40:16 AM
Quote from: DIIIghetto on March 04, 2008, 12:41:21 AM
Whitworth is a good school.  We have enough jucos in SoCal to know that yes, some of those kids can take advantage of an opportunity and perform well in the classroom of a liberal arts school.  But 6 of them?  Former SCIAC coach Gary Stewart told a friend of mine when he was the assistant at Washington State he felt that the administration was making a mistake by pressuring them to not bring in the 5 juco transfers they wanted (school thought that was too many).   Give Coach Stewart the kind of administrative support that allows Whitworth to bring in 6 juco transfers and I bet he would tell you that he would have had more than one upset of Stanford there at UC Davis. 

I am just in awe that a DIII program at a good school has that big of a juco pipeline.  Hats off to their coach and AD.  I know Whitworth made the unorthodox move away from SAT emphasis but always thought it was well regarded and one of the better small schools in the region.  Every school has junior college admits.  Very few small schools have a significant percentages of their transfers from junior colleges.  Admission offices in good small schools like Whitworth typically watch those juco admissions pretty closely. 

If the basketball team at Whitworth is not getting preferential treatment, then I would expect Whitworth to have dozens of junior college transfers matriculating each year.  The football team at Whitworth lists only 1 more juco transfer than the basktball team.  Between the football and hoops teams that makes 13 juco transfers by my count.   None for the Whitworth women's hoops team but fortunately they looked out for the women's softball team by admitting 4 juco transfers. 

Any other hoops team in the NWC come close to that Whitworth juco pipeline?  Has anyone noticed?  Just so you know that this isn't sour grapes or snobbery, I am pleading with the  AD at Whitworth to apply for the next SCIAC opening.   We need that type of commitment to winning.

The insinuation that juco student-athletes are not academically up to par is not only insulting, it's frequently inaccurate. I can't speak to how it is on the West Coast, but in the midwest a lot of juco players are kids who came out of high school convinced that they could land a D1 scholie, never had an offer materialize, and then decided to go the juco route in order to turn the heads of some D1 coaches and belatedly get that D1 scholie. Two years down the road, a lot of those kids have a more sober and mature outlook and decide to take a more realistic approach to their schooling and to basketball.

Yeah, the "I'm looking to get a D1 ride" mentality makes for a lot of me-first, selfish basketball on the juco level, but it doesn't necessarily mean that those kids are academically deficient.

More importantly, the skyrocketing cost of tuition at most private schools means that an education at your typical D3 institution just isn't affordable for a lot of families. Two years at a junior college, followed by a transfer into a good four-year school for the junior and senior years, becomes a much more economically feasible way for many kids to get a good education -- especially kids from working-class backgrounds. I know whereof I speak, because North Park caters to a lot of working-class students from Chicago and the inner-ring suburbs who excelled in the classroom in high school but couldn't afford a private four-year college -- so they took the juco route for their first two years and then transferred to NPU. Those kids tend to do very well at North Park, and the school is a much better place for having them there.

I'm with nwhoops1903: Stereotypes are a bad way to make an argument.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: nwhoops1903 on March 04, 2008, 03:50:08 AM
DIIIghetto your either just a condescending book licker and/or you're trying to make excuses for why your Conf. team might just get hammered this weekend. 

Great quotes to ponder:

"I am just in awe that a DIII program at a good school has that big of a juco pipeline."  In awe?  Wow! What do you say at sunsets? 

"Admission offices in good small schools like Whitworth typically watch those juco admissions pretty closely."  Why bother with splitting the paragraph?  Next sentence...
"If the basketball team at Whitworth is not getting preferential treatment, then I would expect Whitworth to have dozens of junior college transfers matriculating each year."  Please feel free to slide a tasteless accusation in there with an absurb conclusion.

Pathetic. 

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bbaddict on March 04, 2008, 12:04:46 PM
Yeah, what Sager said!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DIIIghetto on March 04, 2008, 02:23:52 PM
I love our thread.  Sagers, if you thought I was saying that student-athletes from junior colleges could not do well at good four year institutions then you misinterpreted my musings.  I'm too familiar with juco's and your point about the cost of higher education to ever make such a flawed statement.   I am not going out on a limb when I say, however, that by and large, a kid who decides not to go to a good 4 year school at the chance that he will latch on with a big school athletic program is generally not a great admit for the rigors of most DIII academic instutions.  The better junior college admit is the one you described, who, but for the costs or other circumstances, almost had no other choice except go the juco route.  Clearly those situations are not mutually exclusive and there will on occassion be the kid with good grades who just thinks he should be in the Show, but also knows that the costs of four years at a small school is not something that works for him/her coming out of h.s.

Those 6 juco admits at Whitworth could all be exemplary students for all I know.  If they are, more power to them and the coaching staff for flipping the traditional model on its head.    I was serious that I want the Whitworth AD in the SCIAC.  With more juco's and great juco basketball than anywhere in the country, if admissions offices in the SCIAC warm up to juco transfers, we wouldn't be relegated to the DIII ghetto for long. 

NWhoops, 6 juco transfers is high for any basketball program, D1, 2 or 3.   Look at the bright side, Whitworth gets a chance to issue some payback for two painful losses it took a couple of years ago in a SoCal swing.  I really liked your squad when they came down.   Good coach and tough players.



Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on March 04, 2008, 02:32:34 PM
Snobbish was the word I was looking for and couldn't come up with (probably those first two years I went to a "state that's not a state" school).  Thank you.  Tell me there's any real difference between lower division courses at a juco or at a private school.  Maybe fewer students in a class or women with fewer tats, but that's about it.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on March 04, 2008, 04:34:34 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on March 04, 2008, 02:57:07 PM

Somehow I doubt that Roy Dow is going to be pulling in a bunch of players from down the street at Pasadena CC.


He'd whup up on more than Gallaudet and LIFE Bible if he did though.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LogShow on March 04, 2008, 04:47:19 PM
I understand that this is SCIAC board, but since the comments were made on this page I will answer on this page, but this will be my last comment about strictly NWC issues (even though the original comment was semi-related).  I didn't post it on this board so my "friends" could stick up for me.

QuoteAnd LogShow, before you start spouting stuff about playing time you should take a look at UPS' stats -- you can find them on the NWC site (individual stats by team).  Your coach has 5 guys he plays more than 18 min. per game & 8 that play less than 5!  Whitworth has 6 that play more than 18 mpg and only 4 that play less than 5!  And if you want to argue NWC stuff do it on our board not on the SCIAC board where your friends will stick up for you!

First off addict I don't know why your posts are filled with such anger, and you always feel like you have to jump into a discussion and take an opposing view point to mine.  Please tell me your not still bitter about a the fact the UPS ended Willamette's season.

My post mearly stated that WW plays very few guys major mins, I wasn't saying that was a good thing or bad.  But your counter argument is foolish.  Everyone that has seen WW play knows that Symes, Williamson, and Naknamra will go 40 mins if they can (meaning not in foul trouble), Riley will go about 28-30, and Jurich will go about 20.    Now you might claim that the stats say different...and they do, for the entire season, but those are greatly inflated due to games against UC Santa Cruz when bench players got to start and play the majority of the game...except Symes and Willamson both went over 35mins.  To get a true grasp on mins I think you have to look at the conference stats.  In conference WW had 6 guys in double digit mins, and only 1 other guy above 6mins a game.  I have ommitted Montgomery from that list because you must know that if a player has a DNP his mins per game are not affected.  So Montgomery played major mins for 4 games and the DNPed all but 5 other ones where he played approx 1 min/game.  Yet his mins/game is still above 10.  

Sorry for the long post...wish I could add humor in it better like OxyBob does!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: nwhoops1903 on March 04, 2008, 05:45:54 PM
Quote from: DIIIghetto on March 04, 2008, 02:23:52 PM
...Those 6 juco admits at Whitworth could all be exemplary students for all I know.  If they are, more power to them and the coaching staff for flipping the traditional model on its head.    I was serious that I want the Whitworth AD in the SCIAC.  With more juco's and great juco basketball than anywhere in the country, if admissions offices in the SCIAC warm up to juco transfers, we wouldn't be relegated to the DIII ghetto for long. 

NWhoops, 6 juco transfers is high for any basketball program, D1, 2 or 3.   Look at the bright side, Whitworth gets a chance to issue some payback for two painful losses it took a couple of years ago in a SoCal swing.  I really liked your squad when they came down.   Good coach and tough players.

Those losses were tough and very closely contested.  I think a game like that might very well be played Sat.  Good luck to the SCIAC team that makes the trip.  The WW AD does a great job, but I might mention that it starts with the Board of Trustees, then the President's office, then the AD and faculty to have a school that has a progressive and relevant vision toward the campus life of the modern undergraduate.  College athletics is fun, healthy and brings different communities together in a safe environment.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on March 04, 2008, 06:19:12 PM
Quote from: TigerOldSchool on March 03, 2008, 09:55:10 PM
I am only moved once or twice a year to say anything here, but this is once again ridiculous.  Whether it is football or basketball, the short end continues to point Oxy's direction.

Yes, they could have made it easy by winning out - but would that really make it easy for the committee.  Seems top 7 football teams still have to travel and play road games at the committees whim.  Of course we all know 60 or 80 plane flights add up quickly in the football world.... but 15 or so for hoops is just not justified.

Just get Obama to pay for a  bunch of teams to fly to Oxy, he'd gladly support it - he did rake in 10 mil last month in donations hehe.


The NCAA is in the process of revising their official selection/bracketing procedures.  The only thing missing is deciding whether to use the phrase "except for Oxy" or "except for the SCIAC".

In trying to be fair and objective,  I think Oxy got screwed last year with the way the final pairings came out at MC.  This year, I think is fairer when you consider the monetary viewpoint.

All the D3 playoffs are supported by the crumbs the NCAA throws to us from the March Madness TV revenues.  It is not something we D3 fans are "owed".  So it is imperative that we support the D1 playoffs to the maximum extent.  And we should all be rooting for a team from a major media market with a rich winning tradition to win it all. :P  This will maximize the TV eyeballs and the resulting "crumbs" the NCAA can throw our way to make even round one games completely follow normal bracketing traditions. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bbaddict on March 04, 2008, 06:23:55 PM
Quote from: LogShow on March 04, 2008, 04:47:19 PM
I understand that this is SCIAC board, but since the comments were made on this page I will answer on this page, but this will be my last comment about strictly NWC issues (even though the original comment was semi-related).  I didn't post it on this board so my "friends" could stick up for me.

QuoteAnd LogShow, before you start spouting stuff about playing time you should take a look at UPS' stats -- you can find them on the NWC site (individual stats by team).  Your coach has 5 guys he plays more than 18 min. per game & 8 that play less than 5!  Whitworth has 6 that play more than 18 mpg and only 4 that play less than 5!  And if you want to argue NWC stuff do it on our board not on the SCIAC board where your friends will stick up for you!

First off addict I don't know why your posts are filled with such anger, and you always feel like you have to jump into a discussion and take an opposing view point to mine.  Please tell me your not still bitter about a the fact the UPS ended Willamette's season.

My post mearly stated that WW plays very few guys major mins, I wasn't saying that was a good thing or bad.  But your counter argument is foolish.  Everyone that has seen WW play knows that Symes, Williamson, and Naknamra will go 40 mins if they can (meaning not in foul trouble), Riley will go about 28-30, and Jurich will go about 20.    Now you might claim that the stats say different...and they do, for the entire season, but those are greatly inflated due to games against UC Santa Cruz when bench players got to start and play the majority of the game...except Symes and Willamson both went over 35mins.  To get a true grasp on mins I think you have to look at the conference stats.  In conference WW had 6 guys in double digit mins, and only 1 other guy above 6mins a game.  I have ommitted Montgomery from that list because you must know that if a player has a DNP his mins per game are not affected.  So Montgomery played major mins for 4 games and the DNPed all but 5 other ones where he played approx 1 min/game.  Yet his mins/game is still above 10.  

Sorry for the long post...wish I could add humor in it better like OxyBob does!

Wow Logs, I didn't know you were so sensitive -- I'll try to back off.  I'm guessing that the only games you've seen Whitworth play are against UPS and of course they play their starters, so they can win.  Everyone does against UPS and actually, UPS mostly plays their starters at least in the Linfield, LC, WU & Whitworth games.  So, what's your point?  Of course Hayford recruited experienced players this past season -- he had to replace 4 seniors that graduated.  Apparently his fellow coaches thought it was smart, they voted him COTY.

As for "jumping on you" because I'm bitter, need I remind you about your nasty comment about the 20 drunken WU fans . . .?   It took all the self control I had not to point out that your UPS team beat the Bearcats on a not so stellar night by only 5 points.   True, they had the win and the prize was an @&* whipping in Spokane with the mirror image score of 96-69!  I'm not picking on you, I've just consistenly been pretty much "anyone but UPS" for a long time.  You can look back at former posts.  However, when UPS represents the NWC in tourney play, I cheer for them!

You and I fundamentally disagree on things.  You were over on the NWC site pretending to be a NWC fan and all the while you were on the SCIAC site dissing Whitworth.   That's why I called you a closet SCIAC fan -- maybe that was too harsh!  Sorry if I hurt your feelings.

I really do think if you want to discuss NWC topics, we should do it on the correct board.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bbaddict on March 04, 2008, 06:52:45 PM
Fairly or unfairly -- pretty much feels the same.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LogShow on March 04, 2008, 09:17:25 PM

Quote from: LogShow on March 03, 2008, 02:46:30 PM
The real order if you are interested is UPS, NWC, SCIAC.  I fully support WW in their run...I just really don't like the way the NCAA handles things.  I do feel bad for Oxy because this has happened to them two years in a row.


Quote from: LogShow on March 03, 2008, 02:58:38 PM
...WW does deserve some reward for their strong finish. It really just comes back to the frustration at the NCAA, who has a real conflict of interest of putting together the best possible bracket, when they try to save money with geographic proximity.


I don't think I ever "dissed" Whitworth.  And like I said, I don't think Oxy deserved a bye either.  If anything I was trying to "diss" the NCAA's ineptness


Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bbaddict on March 04, 2008, 11:12:52 PM
OK Logs -- truce?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LogShow on March 05, 2008, 12:51:13 AM
You got it! :)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 05, 2008, 12:58:02 AM
Quote from: DIIIghetto on March 04, 2008, 02:23:52 PM
I love our thread.  Sagers, if you thought I was saying that student-athletes from junior colleges could not do well at good four year institutions then you misinterpreted my musings.  I'm too familiar with juco's and your point about the cost of higher education to ever make such a flawed statement.   I am not going out on a limb when I say, however, that by and large, a kid who decides not to go to a good 4 year school at the chance that he will latch on with a big school athletic program is generally not a great admit for the rigors of most DIII academic instutions.  The better junior college admit is the one you described, who, but for the costs or other circumstances, almost had no other choice except go the juco route.  Clearly those situations are not mutually exclusive and there will on occassion be the kid with good grades who just thinks he should be in the Show, but also knows that the costs of four years at a small school is not something that works for him/her coming out of h.s.

Those 6 juco admits at Whitworth could all be exemplary students for all I know.  If they are, more power to them and the coaching staff for flipping the traditional model on its head.    I was serious that I want the Whitworth AD in the SCIAC.  With more juco's and great juco basketball than anywhere in the country, if admissions offices in the SCIAC warm up to juco transfers, we wouldn't be relegated to the DIII ghetto for long. 

NWhoops, 6 juco transfers is high for any basketball program, D1, 2 or 3.   Look at the bright side, Whitworth gets a chance to issue some payback for two painful losses it took a couple of years ago in a SoCal swing.  I really liked your squad when they came down.   Good coach and tough players.

Since you claim to be open-minded about the circumstances that lead to student-athletes attending jucos, and you admit to agnosticism on the subject of Whitworth's admissions policies, why cast aspersions about Whitworth's ex-juco players in the first place? Why offer up those sweeping generalities that led to your having to backpedal?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D O.C. on March 05, 2008, 11:29:39 AM
Having no frog in the jumping contest lends to relished outside agitation

 
QuotePosting Up / West Region / Re: Northwest Conference       on: February 25, 2008, 11:24:09 pm
What's the Diablo Valley Community College, CA,  tie with Whitworth?

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DIIIghetto on March 05, 2008, 12:05:27 PM
Sagerhen, I offered it up because it was a striking number and wanted some context.  I only retreated from my jab because my heart wasn't in it.  For me it would kind of be like my trying to argue in support of Hillary.  It may be fun for fleeting moment but then reality would set in.  I see NorthPark has 5 so I understand why you would rush into the debate.   It has been a long time since I was in the juco game but there never were very many doors that were opened at the DIII level when I was.  It makes sense that given the cost of higher education that would eventually change.  I haven't seen it change at the D1 level yet  and so was really surprised to see it happen at D3 first.  But it seems that NP and Whitworth are still the exceptions to the unwritten rules applied to juco student-athletes.   I am sure that every SCIAC coach would love to be able to add So Cal juco's to their list of recruiting spots.  But unless some views change in admission departments, that ain't happening.  Like I said, if Redlands showed up with 6 juco recruits next year, lots of folks in the conference would start talking about DIV. 
   

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on March 05, 2008, 12:30:41 PM
Things seemed to have worked out well for this guy. ;)

QuoteCun started his college career playing two seasons at Los Angeles Valley College before transferring to Oxy for his junior season. During his two seasons at Oxy, Team Captain Cun established himself as one of the premier point guards in the nation, earning numerous awards and setting various records. He made First Team All-SCIAC honors in 2003, after being a Second Team pick in 2002. He was also, along Rebassoo, Co-MVP for the Tigers in 2003. Cun worked his way into the Oxy record books after dishing out 15 assists in a single game against the University of Redlands during his senior season. He also led the team in assists and steals during both of his years at Oxy.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DIIIghetto on March 05, 2008, 12:40:13 PM
Cun was an all-time great.  The unwritten rule is that 1, 2 or every full moon a 3rd juco admit is kosher.   
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: nwhoops1903 on March 05, 2008, 01:11:49 PM
Quote from: DIIIghetto on March 05, 2008, 12:40:13 PM
Cun was an all-time great.  The unwritten rule is that 1, 2 or every full moon a 3rd juco admit is kosher.   
Ask Clemens what he thinks of unwritten rules.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on March 05, 2008, 01:26:31 PM
Quote from: nwhoops1903 on March 05, 2008, 01:11:49 PM
Quote from: DIIIghetto on March 05, 2008, 12:40:13 PM
Cun was an all-time great.  The unwritten rule is that 1, 2 or every full moon a 3rd juco admit is kosher.   
Ask Clemens what he thinks of unwritten rules.
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Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on March 05, 2008, 01:27:49 PM
Quote from: nwhoops1903 on March 05, 2008, 01:11:49 PM
Quote from: DIIIghetto on March 05, 2008, 12:40:13 PM
Cun was an all-time great.  The unwritten rule is that 1, 2 or every full moon a 3rd juco admit is kosher.   
Ask Clemens what he thinks of unwritten rules.
Congress gets to lie to us.  That is an unwritten rule.

Lying to them is not. :P
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on March 05, 2008, 01:41:59 PM
Should all SCIAC and NWC schools admit and welcome JC students who meet their admission standards?  Absolutely.

Most (if not all) of the institutions in the two conferences relish in their role as small liberal arts colleges and regional universities.  They focus on providing a quality, traditional, four year college experience for their students.  I think it's fair to say that this fact makes most admissions offices careful about adding too many JC transfers to the traditional age undergraduate population (many SCIAC schools have adult degree programs).  The bottom line is that these places need to emphasize and nourish their four year program, otherwise what would be the point of having freshmen and sophomore classes?

Do these kids at Whitworth deserve the chance to play D3 basketball?  Absolutely - as many have pointed out they obviously met the requirements for admission.  Do I get the fact that maybe the head coach needed a quick rebuild and went after qualified JC kids who could make a legitimate impact? Yes, again.

I would be very concerned, however, if I was the president of a SCIAC or NWC school and the ratio of JC transfers on one of my athletic teams was consistently 2-3 times higher than that of JC transfers in my traditional age undergraduate population.  It becomes a matter of concern over institutional balance.

GF - Love the line about congress.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: elfinley on March 05, 2008, 01:43:02 PM
"I love our thread.  Sagers, if you thought I was saying that student-athletes from junior colleges could not do well at good four year institutions then you misinterpreted my musings.  I'm too familiar with juco's and your point about the cost of higher education to ever make such a flawed statement.   I am not going out on a limb when I say, however, that by and large, a kid who decides not to go to a good 4 year school at the chance that he will latch on with a big school athletic program is generally not a great admit for the rigors of most DIII academic instutions.  The better junior college admit is the one you described, who, but for the costs or other circumstances, almost had no other choice except go the juco route.  Clearly those situations are not mutually exclusive and there will on occassion be the kid with good grades who just thinks he should be in the Show, but also knows that the costs of four years at a small school is not something that works for him/her coming out of h.s.

Those 6 juco admits at Whitworth could all be exemplary students for all I know.  If they are, more power to them and the coaching staff for flipping the traditional model on its head.    I was serious that I want the Whitworth AD in the SCIAC.  With more juco's and great juco basketball than anywhere in the country, if admissions offices in the SCIAC warm up to juco transfers, we wouldn't be relegated to the DIII ghetto for long.  

NWhoops, 6 juco transfers is high for any basketball program, D1, 2 or 3.   Look at the bright side, Whitworth gets a chance to issue some payback for two painful losses it took a couple of years ago in a SoCal swing.  I really liked your squad when they came down.   Good coach and tough players."


This issue with juco's is kinda silly dont you think? All of the local D3's and those in the NWC recruit from JC's. Just like high school recruits, they have to be good students to get in these schools and more importantly, survive to stay eligible and eventually graduate.


To even create such a stir is just plain ridiculous.
To question
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bbaddict on March 05, 2008, 02:49:07 PM
I think DIIIghetto is just a pot stirrer and there's not all that much to talk about until after Thursday!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 05, 2008, 04:17:13 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on March 04, 2008, 06:19:12 PM
...
In trying to be fair and objective,  I think Oxy got screwed last year with the way the final pairings came out at MC.  This year, I think is fairer when you consider the monetary viewpoint.
... 

I agree about last year.  I think that the true seeding of the bracket was
1) Miss College
2) Oxy
3) Maryville TN
4) UMHB

I think that Randy Lambert did not want to play Miss College (http://www.d3hoops.com/salem/07/preview.htm) in the first game, so he made sure that he got UMHB as a first round opponent.

Maryville's record of 9 straight years of at least one win in the NCAA tournament is on the line at Millsaps this year.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: nwhoops1903 on March 05, 2008, 05:57:16 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on March 05, 2008, 01:27:49 PM
Quote from: nwhoops1903 on March 05, 2008, 01:11:49 PM
Quote from: DIIIghetto on March 05, 2008, 12:40:13 PM
Cun was an all-time great.  The unwritten rule is that 1, 2 or every full moon a 3rd juco admit is kosher.   
Ask Clemens what he thinks of unwritten rules.
Congress gets to lie to us.  That is an unwritten rule.

Lying to them is not. :P
True, however, I was referring to MLB's rulebook.  Even if, haha IF!!, Clemens used steroids or HGH it wasn't against the rules of MLB.  The press decided to go after Bonds because they didn't like him and 100+ other athletes are now swept up in it.  The unwritten rule in MLB was don't use steroids, that's cheating.  Now, I understand the law breaking aspect of steroids with the Feds but please, the press could incriminate nearly every American on something if wanted to.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: nwhoops1903 on March 05, 2008, 06:05:20 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 05, 2008, 04:17:13 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on March 04, 2008, 06:19:12 PM
...
In trying to be fair and objective,  I think Oxy got screwed last year with the way the final pairings came out at MC.  This year, I think is fairer when you consider the monetary viewpoint.
... 
I agree about last year.  I think that the true seeding of the bracket was
1) Miss College
2) Oxy
3) Maryville TN
4) UMHB
I think that Randy Lambert did not want to play Miss College in the first game, so he made sure that he got UMHB as a first round opponent.
Maryville's record of 9 straight years of at least one win in the NCAA tournament is on the line at Millsaps this year.
So you are saying that someone had access and was able to influence an entire committee and selection process cause he was afraid to lose a 1st round game. :D ::)  New NCAA bylaw, cell phones shall be banned from selection committee members for 24 hours prior and after selection meeting. ;D  Call it the OXY rule.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LogShow on March 05, 2008, 10:31:07 PM
I think the Oxy amendment has a beter ring to it :)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bbaddict on March 05, 2008, 10:36:08 PM
So, what is the prediction for the game between Oxy and PP?  Is PP an underdog with everyone expecting Oxy to win?  Or are they well matched?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: April on March 06, 2008, 01:39:12 AM
So do we have a tally of who is going to the game tomorrow? Count me in....
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 06, 2008, 01:41:26 AM
Quote from: DIIIghetto on March 05, 2008, 12:05:27 PM
Sagerhen, I offered it up because it was a striking number and wanted some context.  I only retreated from my jab because my heart wasn't in it.  For me it would kind of be like my trying to argue in support of Hillary.  It may be fun for fleeting moment but then reality would set in.  I see NorthPark has 5 so I understand why you would rush into the debate.

???

NPU had two juco transfers on this year's team, not five: Jon Chimino and Jorge Gonzalez. And I didn't "rush into the debate" to defend the NPU basketball team by proxy. I called you on your stereotyping because it simply isn't true that juco student-athletes deserve to be tarred with the bad-student brush. My experience with NPU is more a source of insight into the situation than a reason to be defensive.

Quote from: DIIIghetto on March 05, 2008, 12:05:27 PMBut it seems that NP and Whitworth are still the exceptions to the unwritten rules applied to juco student-athletes.

I would hope that admissions officers would see it as their professional responsibility to take each applicant seriously upon his or her own merits rather than to wallow in stereotypes by blackballing juco-student transfer applicants out of hand.

Quote from: David Collinge on March 05, 2008, 01:26:31 PM
Quote from: nwhoops1903 on March 05, 2008, 01:11:49 PM
Quote from: DIIIghetto on March 05, 2008, 12:40:13 PM
Cun was an all-time great.  The unwritten rule is that 1, 2 or every full moon a 3rd juco admit is kosher.  
Ask Clemens what he thinks of unwritten rules.
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"It is good to obey all the rules when you're young, so you'll have the strength to break them when you're old."

My nerdiness is showing, David, because I first thought of Mark (Samuel Clemens) Twain and that quote of his before I thought of Roger Clemens, too. :-[

Quote from: scandihoovian on March 05, 2008, 01:41:59 PM
Should all SCIAC and NWC schools admit and welcome JC students who meet their admission standards?  Absolutely.

Most (if not all) of the institutions in the two conferences relish in their role as small liberal arts colleges and regional universities.  They focus on providing a quality, traditional, four year college experience for their students.  I think it's fair to say that this fact makes most admissions offices careful about adding too many JC transfers to the traditional age undergraduate population (many SCIAC schools have adult degree programs).  The bottom line is that these places need to emphasize and nourish their four year program, otherwise what would be the point of having freshmen and sophomore classes?

Do these kids at Whitworth deserve the chance to play D3 basketball?  Absolutely - as many have pointed out they obviously met the requirements for admission.  Do I get the fact that maybe the head coach needed a quick rebuild and went after qualified JC kids who could make a legitimate impact? Yes, again.

I would be very concerned, however, if I was the president of a SCIAC or NWC school and the ratio of JC transfers on one of my athletic teams was consistently 2-3 times higher than that of JC transfers in my traditional age undergraduate population.  It becomes a matter of concern over institutional balance.

Well said, 'hoovian, and that's a good point about schools needing to protect their underclassmen enrollment.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on March 06, 2008, 01:46:23 AM
Ooooooo a transfer discussion. :P

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciac_is_fun on March 06, 2008, 01:57:20 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on March 05, 2008, 04:09:08 PM
I'm disappointed that a deserving Cal Lutheran team was excluded from the NCAA tournament, but I'm also surprised that the only outcry from the apparently resigned-to-their-fate CLU fans was about Deshion Inniss not making first team all-SCIAC.


Here's one Cal Lutheran fan that's pissed off they didn't get into the tournament - especially when I really feel like they had the tools this year to make a run.  I think most of us just don't know what to say and who to say it to.  Apparently the regional rankings don't mean jack...who makes up the tournament committee anyway? 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 06, 2008, 02:06:29 AM
Quote from: sciac_is_fun on March 06, 2008, 01:57:20 AMHere's one Cal Lutheran fan that's pissed off they didn't get into the tournament - especially when I really feel like they had the tools this year to make a run.  I think most of us just don't know what to say and who to say it to.  Apparently the regional rankings don't mean jack...who makes up the tournament committee anyway? 

Ask, and you shall receive. Here's the link to the D3 men's basketball championship handbook; the committee members (and their e-mail addresses) are listed on pages 8 and 9:

http://www.ncaa.org/library/handbooks/basketball/2008/2008_d3_m_basketball_handbook.pdf
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bbaddict on March 06, 2008, 03:21:28 AM
Well no wonder the left coast teams usually get screwed -- our "West" representative is from Iowa!!  The only other one for the West is in Texas!   Not much love for the Northwest schools or the Cali schools in that bunch.  They probably aren't even familiar with the teams!!  I'm upset for Cal Lu and I'm not even from your conference.  When I saw some of the win/loss records of some of the Pool C bids -- oh, it just makes me mad!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 06, 2008, 03:37:48 AM
Quote from: bbaddict on March 06, 2008, 03:21:28 AM
Well no wonder the left coast teams usually get screwed -- our "West" representative is from Iowa!!  The only other one for the West is in Texas!   Not much love for the Northwest schools or the Cali schools in that bunch.  They probably aren't even familiar with the teams!!  I'm upset for Cal Lu and I'm not even from your conference.  When I saw some of the win/loss records of some of the Pool C bids -- oh, it just makes me mad!

There are over twice as many schools in the midwestern portion of the West Region (41) as there are on the West Coast (18). And Texas is not in the West Region; the D3 member schools that are located in the Lone Star State are all within the South Region.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bbaddict on March 06, 2008, 06:29:48 AM
Yes, but Texas schools always get grouped with the "West" for playoffs.   So much for "West Coast bias."
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 06, 2008, 06:48:28 AM
Quote from: bbaddict on March 06, 2008, 06:29:48 AM
Yes, but Texas schools always get grouped with the "West" for playoffs.   So much for "West Coast bias."

"Always"? Check the tournament archives (http://www.d3hoops.com/archives/). The ASC teams have played West Coast teams in the opening weekend in about half of the tournaments over the past decade, not "always".
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on March 06, 2008, 08:16:46 AM
The PP vs. Oxy game should be interesting, considering both teams won their respective "away" games this year...We'll see what happens.  As for the NCAA switching their minds...well...just, well...

Good luck to the Tigers.  Wish I could be there.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bbaddict on March 06, 2008, 11:48:29 AM
Thanks for the insights on the Oxy/PP game.  From the scores, it sounds like they're both strong defensive teams.

Yeah Sager -- "always" not a good word to use!  I still don't understand how anything east of Montana can be considered "West."   
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on March 06, 2008, 12:05:13 PM
The only insight that i can add about tonights game (since oxybob et al... all did a great job highlighting already) is that thank goodness this is not a three day weekend.
The last time both clubs played on Feb 16 at the rock, a three day weekend was looming in the air. Most of the screaming student section wasn't there, the Tigers came out ice cold and OxyBob and Mr. Impleman (sp??) both couldn't get the old folks around the gym to start cheering as loud as coach Kats.
In my opinion, with a large crowd in hand cheering loud from the first jump ball all the way till the final second, i honestly believe the men in orange walk away with a victory.    

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: nwhoops1903 on March 06, 2008, 12:39:15 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on March 06, 2008, 03:37:48 AM
Quote from: bbaddict on March 06, 2008, 03:21:28 AM
Well no wonder the left coast teams usually get screwed -- our "West" representative is from Iowa!!  The only other one for the West is in Texas!   Not much love for the Northwest schools or the Cali schools in that bunch.  They probably aren't even familiar with the teams!!  I'm upset for Cal Lu and I'm not even from your conference.  When I saw some of the win/loss records of some of the Pool C bids -- oh, it just makes me mad!

There are over twice as many schools in the midwestern portion of the West Region (41) as there are on the West Coast (18). And Texas is not in the West Region; the D3 member schools that are located in the Lone Star State are all within the South Region.
It is what it is, and the committee is representative of the members schools.  Geographically the far west is FAR FAR west with only 18 schools so it makes sense to me.  I don't think we out here in the far west should moan about our misfortune or lack of representation.  It only leads to the FAR west having a whiny reputation.  Buck up and show some brass. 

Winning solves everything.  UPS could have sent a good team as well, but guess what, they lost games they needed to win.  Cal Lu needed to win and didn't, simple as that.  They can blame themselves or blame Oxy for not winning the conf. tourney, either way...thats college hoops for ya. 

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LogShow on March 06, 2008, 01:07:06 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on March 06, 2008, 10:48:26 AM

You'll forgive me if I don't make a prediction. 5 straight times I predicted that Pomona would win, and instead they lost them all. Finally I predicted that the Sagehens would lose to Claremont, and they won. To keep my streak of wrong picks intact, I predicted that the Sagehens would win at Oxy. Ack! Pomona won. I predicted that Cal Lutheran would beat Pomona in the SCIAC tournament. Wrong again, Bob. For tonight I'll just keep my feelings to myself and hope for the best.

OxyBob

Bob I like your style with the superstitious reverse pychology when considering predictions.  Sometimes you gotta know when to hold 'em and when to fold 'em. 

These teams seem pretty evenly matched, but I would be suprised if Oxy loses tonight.  I think the home court advantage, and Oxy probably feels like they have something to prove will tip the scales in their favor.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on March 06, 2008, 01:57:32 PM
Quote from: nwhoops1903 on March 06, 2008, 12:39:15 PM
It is what it is, and the committee is representative of the members schools.  Geographically the far west is FAR FAR west with only 18 schools so it makes sense to me.  I don't think we out here in the far west should moan about our misfortune or lack of representation.  It only leads to the FAR west having a whiny reputation.  Buck up and show some brass. 

Winning solves everything.  UPS could have sent a good team as well, but guess what, they lost games they needed to win.  Cal Lu needed to win and didn't, simple as that.  They can blame themselves or blame Oxy for not winning the conf. tourney, either way...thats college hoops for ya. 

Those of us who are Cal Lu supporters knew our situation was bleak after the loss to PP in the first round of the conference tourney.  The tone of your post suggests that Cal Lu was a second tier team that choked away several big games this season.  That is simply not the case.  In addition to winning a share of the regular season conference championship, I would argue that the Kingsmen had the best non conference season of any D3 team on the west coast.  This year's CLU team was one of the best SCIAC teams I've seen in recent years; a fact that only makes it more frustrating to miss out on the Tourney.

Does all of this mean I don't understand why they got left out? No.  All of us understand that on the west coast the only sure thing is the conference autobid, and we lost our shot at that when we lost to PP.  Are we frustrated?  Yes.  Whining?  No.

If you would like to hear some whining about a CLU  team that got most shafted by the NCAA this year, I'll be happy to tell you about the women's volleyball team.  They were the second place team in the SCIAC (always one of the strongest conferences in the country) at 11-3, and were coming off of an Elite Eight run in 2006.  They got left home  :'( ;)

Should be a good game tonight.  I think the Tigers are the better team, but as I've said many times, PP's strength is beating conference opponents.  I am pulling for the Tigers.  I think Coach Newhall has done a great job this year and I like Oxy's chances as a rep for the SCIAC.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bbaddict on March 06, 2008, 02:30:06 PM

[/quote]It is what it is, and the committee is representative of the members schools.  Geographically the far west is FAR FAR west with only 18 schools so it makes sense to me.  I don't think we out here in the far west should moan about our misfortune or lack of representation.  It only leads to the FAR west having a whiny reputation.  Buck up and show some brass. 

Winning solves everything.  UPS could have sent a good team as well, but guess what, they lost games they needed to win.  Cal Lu needed to win and didn't, simple as that.  They can blame themselves or blame Oxy for not winning the conf. tourney, either way...thats college hoops for ya. 
[/quote]

Apparently you weren't around in 2003 when Whitworth got screwed and didn't get home court.  I'm feeling Oxy's pain a little . . . and if there are so few schools in the Far west, then we definitely should have at least ONE representative on the committee.  At least west of Iowa somewhere!  And Cal Lu just did get cheated out of a Pool C when you look at who else got in.  No question.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LogShow on March 06, 2008, 04:03:40 PM
Quote from: tigersports on February 21, 2008, 06:56:22 PM
Quote from: Browneagle64 on February 20, 2008, 11:57:19 PM
Logs,

I was just going to ask that, but, you beat me to it. I wish i could make a call to old friends at oxy and find out the score, but, i'm heading back to class. If you do get the scores, please keep this board updated. ;)

Browneagle and Logs, you guys are killing me!!!  Our broadcasts are linked on the Oxy and SCIAC websites as well as my own --- oxybroadcast.com.  Maybe I wasn't giving the score enough.

Tigersports,  no need to to ask for updates on the score tonight...I know just where to look to get the live audio feed :)
Title: Tale of the Tape PP/OXY
Post by: Gray Fox on March 06, 2008, 04:35:57 PM
Sorry about the format.  I couldn't get this to copy any other way. >:(

POMONA

Category     Rank     Actual     National Leader     Actual
Scoring Offense (389 ranked)    370    61.4    Grinnell    107.9
Scoring Defense (389 ranked)    9    59.7    Penn St.-Behrend    53.9
Scoring Margin (389 ranked)    171    1.8    Hope    18.8
Field-Goal Percentage (389 ranked)    364    39.8    Emerson    52.5
Field-Goal Percentage Defense (389 ranked)    108    42.5    Mary Hardin-Baylor    37.8
Three-Point Field Goals Per Game (389 ranked)    74    7.7    Grinnell    19.3
Three-Point Field-Goal Percentage (340 ranked)    265    33.0    Wooster    44.3
Free-Throw Percentage (389 ranked)    257    66.9    Elmhurst    81.5
Rebound Margin (389 ranked)    100    3.0    Guilford    11.7
Assists Per Game (389 ranked)    362    10.9    Emory & Henry    20.5
Blocked Shots Per Game (389 ranked)    173    2.7    Middlebury    6.2
Steals Per Game (389 ranked)    287    6.4    Grinnell    16.0
Won-Lost Percentage (389 ranked)    153    56.0    Plattsburgh St.    92.9
Turnovers Per Game (389 ranked)    32    12.5    Westminster (Mo.)    9.4
Personal Fouls Per Game (389 ranked)    3    13.4    Carleton    12.4
Assist Turnover Ratio (389 ranked)    196    0.87    Wis.-Stevens Point    1.54

Category    Player    Rank    Actual    National Leader    Actual
Points Per Game (500 ranked)    Jabarri Reynolds    393    14.1    John Grotberg, Grinnell    28.1
Field-Goal Percentage (500 ranked)    Jabarri Reynolds    316    44.8    Keith Pedersen, Central (Iowa)    69.7
Three-Point Field Goals Per Game (500 ranked)    Adam Chaimowitz
Jabarri Reynolds    140
485    2.4
1.6    John Grotberg, Grinnell
     5.8

Three-Point Field-Goal Percentage (500 ranked)                   Nathan Edick, Marietta    54.8
Free-Throw Percentage (500 ranked)    Jabarri Reynolds    432    69.3    Ryan Junghans, Hood    95.9
Rebounds Per Game (500 ranked)    Justin Sexton    111    8.1    Nick Harrington, Southern Vt.    14.8
Assists Per Game (500 ranked)                   David Arseneault, Grinnell    10.4
Blocked Shots Per Game (500 ranked)    Justin Sexton
Gabriel Porter    108
496    1.3
0.6    Douglas Hammond, Green Mountain
     4.5

Steals Per Game (500 ranked)                   Tyler Gordon, Finlandia    4.0
Assist Turnover Ratio (500 ranked)                   Ross Nakamura, Whitworth    4.0


OXY

Category     Rank     Actual     National Leader     Actual
Scoring Offense (389 ranked)    194    71.9    Grinnell    107.9
Scoring Defense (389 ranked)    7    59.1    Penn St.-Behrend    53.9
Scoring Margin (389 ranked)    12    12.8    Hope    18.8
Field-Goal Percentage (389 ranked)    123    45.7    Emerson    52.5
Field-Goal Percentage Defense (389 ranked)    44    40.9    Mary Hardin-Baylor    37.8
Three-Point Field Goals Per Game (389 ranked)    125    7.1    Grinnell    19.3
Three-Point Field-Goal Percentage (340 ranked)    23    39.5    Wooster    44.3
Free-Throw Percentage (389 ranked)    106    71.4    Elmhurst    81.5
Rebound Margin (389 ranked)    13    7.7    Guilford    11.7
Assists Per Game (389 ranked)    29    16.4    Emory & Henry    20.5
Blocked Shots Per Game (389 ranked)    202    2.5    Middlebury    6.2
Steals Per Game (389 ranked)    171    7.6    Grinnell    16.0
Won-Lost Percentage (389 ranked)    18    84.0    Plattsburgh St.    92.9
Turnovers Per Game (389 ranked)    28    12.4    Westminster (Mo.)    9.4
Personal Fouls Per Game (389 ranked)    40    16.1    Carleton    12.4
Assist Turnover Ratio (389 ranked)    10    1.33    Wis.-Stevens Point    1.54

Category    Player    Rank    Actual    National Leader    Actual
Points Per Game (500 ranked)    Connor Whitman    97    18.2    John Grotberg, Grinnell    28.1
Field-Goal Percentage (500 ranked)    Connor Whitman    359    42.9    Keith Pedersen, Central (Iowa)    69.7
Three-Point Field Goals Per Game (500 ranked)    Connor Whitman    5    3.7    John Grotberg, Grinnell    5.8
Three-Point Field-Goal Percentage (500 ranked)    Connor Whitman    9    46.3    Nathan Edick, Marietta    54.8
Free-Throw Percentage (500 ranked)    Connor Whitman    46    84.9    Ryan Junghans, Hood    95.9
Rebounds Per Game (500 ranked)    Sean Anderson
Chris Hunt
Chris Pitcher    227
422
480    7.0
5.9
5.6    Nick Harrington, Southern Vt.

     14.8


Assists Per Game (500 ranked)    Gemayal McBride
Chris Pitcher    98
253    4.1
3.1    David Arseneault, Grinnell
     10.4

Blocked Shots Per Game (500 ranked)    Sean Anderson    166    1.1    Douglas Hammond, Green Mountain    4.5
Steals Per Game (500 ranked)    Connor Whitman    231    1.7    Tyler Gordon, Finlandia    4.0
Assist Turnover Ratio (500 ranked)    Chris Pitcher
Gemayal McBride    39
47    2.03
1.94    Ross Nakamura, Whitworth
     4.0
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bbaddict on March 06, 2008, 04:37:42 PM
So, do I hear that there's livestats or webcast or something for the Oxy/PP game tonight?  What time is tipoff?     If it weren't for DI or the NBA I'd be having some serious withdrawals from BB right now!  DIII tourney games help as well!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 06, 2008, 04:43:02 PM
Quote from: sciac_is_fun on March 06, 2008, 01:57:20 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on March 05, 2008, 04:09:08 PM
I'm disappointed that a deserving Cal Lutheran team was excluded from the NCAA tournament, but I'm also surprised that the only outcry from the apparently resigned-to-their-fate CLU fans was about Deshion Inniss not making first team all-SCIAC.


Here's one Cal Lutheran fan that's pissed off they didn't get into the tournament - especially when I really feel like they had the tools this year to make a run.  I think most of us just don't know what to say and who to say it to.  Apparently the regional rankings don't mean jack...who makes up the tournament committee anyway? 

Nobody who was behind you in last week's West regional rankings got an at-large bid.

bbaddict -- on the front page of D3hoops.com there is a box with links to games with live stats, audio or video every night.

You guys are represented on the regional committee, folks, just not the national committee. But all the years Coach Kats was on the national committee, things weren't any different. A person on the committee can't simply override the selection criteria.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 06, 2008, 04:45:48 PM
To specify: Rock Carter of Whittier represents the SCIAC and Mark Sundquist of George Fox represents the NWC to the regional committee.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on March 06, 2008, 05:01:42 PM
Below is the last "public" regional rankings.  The regional rankings this past Sunday the NCAA used to determine Pool B and Pool C bids were not disclosed to the public.

Midwest Region
1. Augustana  20-5  19-5 .575 .555 (CCIW):  Def. Elmhurst 69-68 OT in CCIW semis; def. Illinois Wesleyan 71-60 in CCIW final
POOL C 2. Washington U.  19-5  16-4 .647 .565 (UAA):  LOST at Chicago 74-66
3. Lawrence  20-2  18-2 .555 .515 (MWC):  Def St. Norbert 59-58 in MWC semis; def. Carroll 98-95 OT in MWC final
POOL C 4. Wheaton (Ill.)  19-6  15-6 .577 .549 (CCIW):  LOST Illinois Wesleyan 81-78 in CCIW semis at Augustana.
5. Chicago  17-7  16-7 .605 .568 (UAA):  def. Washington U. 74-66
6. Elmhurst  18-7  17-7 .505 .537 (CCIW): LOST at Augustana 69-68 OT in CCIW semis.
POOL B 7. Aurora  20-5  18-5 .465 .496 (NathCon):  Def. Benedictine 96-75 in NathCon quarters; def. MSOE 89-64 in NathCon semis; LOST to Lakeland 82-77 OT in NathCon final (POOL B CANDIDATE)
8. Webster  19-5  17-5 .492 .481 (SLIAC): Def. Westminster (Mo.) 62-40; LOST to Maryville (Mo.) 76-73 in SLIAC semis.

West Region
1. UW-Whitewater  21-4  19-4 .492 .540 (WIAC):  Def. Stout 78-67 in WIAC quarters; Def. Superior 77-73 OT in WIAC semis; def. Stevens Point 75-71 in WIAC final
2. St. Thomas  21-4  19-3 .499 .522 (MIAC):  Def. Bethel 69-68  in MIAC semis; def. Gustavus Adolphus 76-73 in MIAC final
POOL C 3. Occidental  20-4  13-3 .531 .527 (SCIAC):  Def. La Verne 67-57; LOST Claremont-Mudd-Scripps 66-62 in SCIAC semis.
POOL C 4. UW-Stevens Point  20-5  18-5 .575 .525 (WIAC):  Def. La Crosse 74-66 OT in WIAC quarters; def. Eau Claire 88-65 in WIAC semis; LOST at Whitewater 75-71 in WIAC final
POOL C 5. Buena Vista  20-5  16-3 .496 .528 (IIAC):  Def. Dubuque 91-86 in IIAC semis; LOST to Loras77-69 in IIAC final.
6. Cal Lutheran  20-4  16-4 .498 .529 (SCIAC):  Def. Ponoma-Pitzer 70-51; LOST to Pomona-Pitzer 54-44 in SCIAC semis.
7. UW-Platteville  19-6  17-5 .526 .535 (WIAC):  LOST to Eau Claire 84-80 in WIAC quarters.
8. Loras  19-6  16-4 .518 .535 Def. Coe in 82-64 IIAC semis; def. Buena Vista 77-69 in IIAC final

It's widely known that most everyone is surprised that WHEATON (IL) got a Pool C bid.  With this said, let's pretend they were the last team to receive that Pool C bid.  And, with Occidental, Stevens Point and Buena Vista getting bids, we'll presume that Cal. Lutheran was "at the table" when Wheaton (IL) was picked. 

Wheaton had two more in-region losses than Cal. Lutheran, but Wheaton's opponent's winning % and opponents' opponent's winning % were far greater than Cal. Lutheran's. 

Records against regionally ranked opponents is in Wheaton's favor as well.  They were 1-1 v Augustana, 2-0 v Elmhurst, 1-0 v Chicago, 1-0 v Loras.

Cal. Lutheran's record:  1-0 v Stevens Point, 0-2 v Occcidental


Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OXY Oswald on March 06, 2008, 05:04:16 PM
Cal Lu was actually 0-2 v. Occidental on the season.

Nice work on the rest of that break down though.  It really helps clear up the normally muddy waters that surround the NCAA selection committee. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on March 06, 2008, 05:07:24 PM
Quote from: OXY Oswald on March 06, 2008, 05:04:16 PM
Cal Lu was actually 0-2 v. Occidental on the season.

Thanks for the catch, it's been edited.

Which makes Cal. Lutheran's argument even less convincing.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LogShow on March 06, 2008, 06:10:13 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 06, 2008, 04:45:48 PM
To specify: Rock Carter of Whittier represents the SCIAC and Mark Sundquist of George Fox represents the NWC to the regional committee.

Pat, are these representatives elected by their peers?  And if so, how long is the term they serve?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LogShow on March 06, 2008, 10:27:56 PM
Game on!! 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LogShow on March 06, 2008, 10:33:53 PM
What a half! Oxy was down big and then comes roaring back to pull within 2 at half.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pomonaalum on March 06, 2008, 10:35:06 PM
Sounds like Pomona was up 24-9 in the 1st half, then Oxy closed on a 13-0 run to make it 24-22.  Hens may have missed a chance to bury Oxy in the 1st half.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 06, 2008, 10:42:35 PM
Quote from: LogShow on March 06, 2008, 06:10:13 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 06, 2008, 04:45:48 PM
To specify: Rock Carter of Whittier represents the SCIAC and Mark Sundquist of George Fox represents the NWC to the regional committee.

Pat, are these representatives elected by their peers?  And if so, how long is the term they serve?

I believe recommended by the conference office but you can also nominate yourself. The term is two or three years, though if you get elected regional chair then you're on for another couple years.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: nwhoops1903 on March 06, 2008, 10:43:17 PM
Is this a defensive struggle or is it just a bad offensive performance?  Other?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LogShow on March 06, 2008, 10:48:27 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 06, 2008, 10:42:35 PM
Quote from: LogShow on March 06, 2008, 06:10:13 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 06, 2008, 04:45:48 PM
To specify: Rock Carter of Whittier represents the SCIAC and Mark Sundquist of George Fox represents the NWC to the regional committee.

Pat, are these representatives elected by their peers?  And if so, how long is the term they serve?

I believe recommended by the conference office but you can also nominate yourself. The term is two or three years, though if you get elected regional chair then you're on for another couple years.

thanks!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LogShow on March 06, 2008, 10:57:57 PM
Oxy takes first lead 32-31 with 13mins to go
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: nwhoops1903 on March 06, 2008, 11:02:10 PM
Quote from: scandihoovian on March 06, 2008, 01:57:32 PM

Those of us who are Cal Lu supporters knew our situation was bleak after the loss to PP in the first round of the conference tourney.  The tone of your post suggests that Cal Lu was a second tier team that choked away several big games this season.  That is simply not the case.  In addition to winning a share of the regular season conference championship, I would argue that the Kingsmen had the best non conference season of any D3 team on the west coast.  This year's CLU team was one of the best SCIAC teams I've seen in recent years; a fact that only makes it more frustrating to miss out on the Tourney.

Does all of this mean I don't understand why they got left out? No.  All of us understand that on the west coast the only sure thing is the conference autobid, and we lost our shot at that when we lost to PP.  Are we frustrated?  Yes.  Whining?  No.

Not intended to say that about CLU at all.  I know they are a very good team and would have been a dangerous tourney team.  Not second tier, no way.  Sorry it came across that way to you.   CLU could have been given the last pool C and no one would have complained at Wheaton.  So why didn't they?  Simple, because SCIAC wasn't sending 3 teams, no way no how.  Doesn't really matter where CLU or OXY was in regionals.  Is that right?  I don't know, but PP getting in killed CLU's chance.  So my point is they had their future in their own hands and stumbled, unfortunately Oxy did too.  Bad break, that's D3 hoops.

Whining wasn't directed at CLU, I don't think they have.  Other posters have made more of a "screw job occuring"

Good luck to the SCIAC winner tonight.  Either team will present and face a tough challenge Sat.

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: nwhoops1903 on March 06, 2008, 11:03:27 PM
Quote from: LogShow on March 06, 2008, 10:57:57 PM
Oxy takes first lead 32-31 with 13mins to go
Is this on radio or live stats?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 06, 2008, 11:11:44 PM
Oxy 42 - 40, 5:40 left.

Good radio broadcast!  :)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: nwhoops1903 on March 06, 2008, 11:13:01 PM
Can someone post the radio link please?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pomonaalum on March 06, 2008, 11:13:41 PM
www.oxybroadcast.com

Tie game, 4 and change to go.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: nwhoops1903 on March 06, 2008, 11:16:04 PM
Quote from: pomonaalum on March 06, 2008, 11:13:41 PM
www.oxybroadcast.com

Tie game, 4 and change to go.
Big Thank You
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pomonaalum on March 06, 2008, 11:20:36 PM
Pomona by 1, :40.1 to go...PP with the ball in a TO.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pomonaalum on March 06, 2008, 11:22:25 PM
Oxy by 1, 6.8 to go.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pomonaalum on March 06, 2008, 11:25:54 PM
Oxy wins...PP shot blocked at the buzzer.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: nwhoops1903 on March 06, 2008, 11:28:55 PM
Congrats to Oxy.  PP gave em a fight.  Oxy came on and hit some big 3's when they needed them.  Se ya in Spokane.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on March 06, 2008, 11:29:29 PM
Caught the 2nd half.  Woah........

Sorry Pomona Alum (My brother).
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 06, 2008, 11:31:18 PM
Quote from: nwhoops1903 on March 06, 2008, 11:16:04 PM
Quote from: pomonaalum on March 06, 2008, 11:13:41 PM
www.oxybroadcast.com

Tie game, 4 and change to go.
Big Thank You

Again, this link was on the front page of D3hoops.com. Feel free to check it out, just once.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fosheezie on March 06, 2008, 11:32:58 PM
Up 4 with about 1:30 left.  I thought we had it, but Oxy hits a 3.  That killed us.  If we get a stop there, then the game goes P-P's way.  But you gotta give Oxy credit, they hit big shots at big times.  Damn, we had it.  Good luck up north Oxy.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pomonaalum on March 06, 2008, 11:37:28 PM
Yeah, lots of missed opportunities to extend the lead for Pomona...and didn't get the stops needed in the last couple of minutes.  BTW, Oxy's broadcasters are really good. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on March 06, 2008, 11:40:29 PM
An Oxy grad listening in from St. Louis, a Pomona Grad listening in from Charlotte...and we're related...go figure, huh?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pomonaalum on March 06, 2008, 11:42:20 PM
And both of these teams play better basketball than the Terps...
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on March 06, 2008, 11:53:52 PM
Very true. 

I would have liked to see Oxy host Whitworth, but it "appears" as though it will be a good battle.  Hopefully the Tigers will be able to rest up and play a good game on Saturday.  A trip to Washington is better than a trip to Mississippi, for sure.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: nwhoops1903 on March 07, 2008, 12:16:21 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 06, 2008, 11:31:18 PM
Again, this link was on the front page of D3hoops.com. Feel free to check it out, just once.
Feel proud, feel very proud.  It's there now Mr. Smug.  Don't you have better things to do then hang out on boards and slap people for being interested in D3 hoops?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 07, 2008, 12:33:18 AM
Quote from: nwhoops1903 on March 07, 2008, 12:16:21 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 06, 2008, 11:31:18 PM
Again, this link was on the front page of D3hoops.com. Feel free to check it out, just once.
Feel proud, feel very proud.  It's there now Mr. Smug.  Don't you have better things to do then hang out on boards and slap people for being interested in D3 hoops?
The "A" (audio link) has been there all day.

Pat has actually tried to build the website that is efficient and offers us all of the tools that we need to enjoy D3sports.

Have you tried to navigate the D2football.com board, or the D2basketball board, or the NAIA board, or the NCCAA board?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 07, 2008, 12:33:47 AM
No -- but I do occasionally think people should use our site rather than ask someone on the board for things we work hard to provide for you.

There's a box of Live games on the front page that contains links to EVERY audio, live stat and video link.

We go through a lot of work to make this site self-serve. Look around.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 07, 2008, 12:34:55 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 07, 2008, 12:33:18 AM
The "A" (audio link) has been there all day.

And in a half-hour, it'll have tomorrow's games as well.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on March 07, 2008, 12:41:07 AM
O.M.G, what a game at the Rock tonight. I just got back and am still in complete awe. First i have to give the Hens a heck of a round of applause for coming out with a strong performance from the get go. However, small mental mistakes for them allowed the Men in orange and black to claw their ways back. I wish i could give you a more detailed eye witness report but 1) the broadcast crew (tigersports et al...) already did so and 2) i am sure Oxybob will claw his way in to throw in some more eye witness highlights. But, man, what a final. Got to love Bball in March.  ;D

btw, Best of luck to Mr. Sean Anderson who was injured during the game. I wish him a speedy recovery
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: nwhoops1903 on March 07, 2008, 02:42:54 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 07, 2008, 12:33:47 AM
No -- but I do occasionally think people should use our site rather than ask someone on the board for things we work hard to provide for you.

There's a box of Live games on the front page that contains links to EVERY audio, live stat and video link.

We go through a lot of work to make this site self-serve. Look around.
I do look around and excuse me if I miss a link here or there.  Good God you do a great job.  The site is fantastic.  I stick to the boards, does that make me a juco transfer of a poster?

"Feel free to check it out, just once."  It's these kind of cracks that coming from the TOP DOGS make me feel that there is some club of D3 Intelligistas that protect each other and randomly smack around the masses.
I will say it again Coleman, you are a God sent angel, but let people use the site as they are comfortable and not insist we read every caption and see every link, without fear of a verbal whacking.  If I offended you for the barely/clearly sentence I give up....I apologize.



Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: nwhoops1903 on March 07, 2008, 02:45:26 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on March 07, 2008, 01:29:20 AM

Next up for Oxy, a tough assignment: Whitworth in Spokane on Saturday.

OxyBob
Will you be making the trip Bob?  Hope to see you there.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LogShow on March 07, 2008, 03:06:26 AM
Sounds like it was a great game tonight!  D3 at its finest!  Should be another great one in the Pacific Northwest on Saturday.  Doesn't get any easier with WW...Oxy will have their hands full.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bbaddict on March 07, 2008, 04:39:30 PM
Thanks, Oxybob for the info on the game.  Was the shooting bad because it was incredible defense or was it just a cold shooting night for both teams?  Neither one had very good percentages for shooting.  Just wondering?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on March 07, 2008, 04:49:53 PM
Thanks for the kind words on the broadcast.  I don't think the shooting was bad; a lot of guys got forced into bad shots by guys playing their guts out on defense.   Great game by both squads.  What college sports should be all about.

Btw, if someone wants to become a lifetime sponsor of oxybroadcast.com and send us to Whitworth, we won't complain.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: nwhoops1903 on March 07, 2008, 04:54:00 PM
Quote from: tigersports on March 07, 2008, 04:49:53 PM
Thanks for the kind words on the broadcast.  I don't think the shooting was bad; a lot of guys got forced into bad shots by guys playing their guts out on defense.   Great game by both squads.  What college sports should be all about.

Btw, if someone wants to become a lifetime sponsor of oxybroadcast.com and send us to Whitworth, we won't complain.
Rent a 1981 Volkswagon Rabbit diesel, I will pay for half the gas.  Might want to leave soon.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on March 07, 2008, 05:12:46 PM
Quote from: tigersports on March 07, 2008, 04:49:53 PM
Btw, if someone wants to become a lifetime sponsor of oxybroadcast.com and send us to Whitworth, we won't complain.

I think this sponsor (http://www.columbiahearingcenters.com/) may be available...
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on March 07, 2008, 06:26:11 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on March 07, 2008, 05:12:46 PM
Quote from: tigersports on March 07, 2008, 04:49:53 PM
Btw, if someone wants to become a lifetime sponsor of oxybroadcast.com and send us to Whitworth, we won't complain.

I think this sponsor (http://www.columbiahearingcenters.com/) may be available...
Harsh.  Even their patients heard my final call.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on March 07, 2008, 06:27:09 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on March 07, 2008, 05:05:17 PM
Quote from: bbaddict on March 07, 2008, 04:39:30 PM
Was the shooting bad because it was incredible defense or was it just a cold shooting night for both teams?

Quote from: tigersports on March 07, 2008, 04:49:53 PM
I don't think the shooting was bad; a lot of guys got forced into bad shots by guys playing their guts out on defense.

Early on Oxy missed several shots right around the basket, and Pomona didn't make a few of their open 3s with quite the regularity as they did in the two conference games with Oxy, but mostly it was the usual hard-nosed defensive battle we've grown accustomed to seeing when Oxy and Pomona play each other.

Quote from: tigersports on March 07, 2008, 04:49:53 PM
Thanks for the kind words on the broadcast.

"And Oxy goes to Spokane!" That's probably the most excited anyone in history has ever gotten about going to Spokane.

OxyBob

Nothing happens in Spokane after 10 o'clock.  In the morning.

--J. Murray.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D O.C. on March 07, 2008, 06:36:45 PM
I would like to congratulate OxyBob for correctly predicting the Ox.....
oh! wait......
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bbaddict on March 07, 2008, 08:01:21 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 07, 2008, 12:33:47 AM
No -- but I do occasionally think people should use our site rather than ask someone on the board for things we work hard to provide for you.

There's a box of Live games on the front page that contains links to EVERY audio, live stat and video link.

We go through a lot of work to make this site self-serve. Look around.

Thanks for all your hard work PC.  It really IS easier to connect from the front page of your site than to search for the games on the teams' websites.  I've never used D3hoops that way before.  Call it inexperience, not ungrateful!  And, for the record, I don't always notice where things are on the site, because it is so fun-filled!   :D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pineconefan on March 07, 2008, 10:27:16 PM
Oxy fans, I am really interested in watching Connor Whitman play tomorrow night.  I see that he shoots a high three-point percentage (just above 45%).  Is he more of a catch and shoot kind of guy, or can he shoot off of the dribble.  Also he has gotten to the free throw line more than any other Tiger.  I assume that he can draw defenders out, then penetrate and get fouled.  Any more insight for me to watch for from the SCIAC Player of the Year?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Howlinwolf on March 07, 2008, 10:36:47 PM
This is classified information. Sorry.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on March 07, 2008, 11:03:43 PM
Quote from: pineconefan on March 07, 2008, 10:27:16 PM
Oxy fans, I am really interested in watching Connor Whitman play tomorrow night.  I see that he shoots a high three-point percentage (just above 45%).  Is he more of a catch and shoot kind of guy, or can he shoot off of the dribble.  Also he has gotten to the free throw line more than any other Tiger.  I assume that he can draw defenders out, then penetrate and get fouled.  Any more insight for me to watch for from the SCIAC Player of the Year?

I'll tell you this (we'll assume you have code level clearance for this much info): just when you think you've contained him it will start raining threes. 
And this: Oxy is very good at finding "another way."  They're one of the best teams I've seen at figuring out how to go with plan B.

Oh, and as for Tim Floyd, well he had to figure out a way to top the "self recruitment" of OJ Mayo, didn't he?  I know there are plenty of D1 blocking backs and tight ends out there who got looks because they were teammates/best buddies with the next Reggie Bush, but this is a whole new level.  How pissed are those walk on kids gonna be?  That's a tough view from the second row  ;)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on March 07, 2008, 11:21:46 PM
OB, you going?  The $500+ roundtrip tickets dampened my enthusiasm . . . and ability to garner permission from the boss (aka, the wife, the old ball and chain, the better half, the old lady, my son's mother, the skirt and numerous other descriptions that defy the limitations of space, time and decorum on this board)
;)

was hoping for a brew or 2 and a nosh at Klinkerdaggers  . . .

Oops, almost forgot . . .

IO TRIUMPHE!
Go Oxy, sink the Pirates!

anyone got the # of days until football?

tooth
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pineconefan on March 08, 2008, 01:51:31 AM
OB - Thanks very much.  I really look forward to seeing him play.

Not only a match up of the two top teams in the respective conferences, but a match up of the NWC (Ryan Symes) and SCIAC (Connor Whitman) Players of the Year.

Doesn't get much better.

"I think it's the only city in America which gets its supplies via airdrop and sled dogs."
Not quite.  But not far off.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on March 08, 2008, 11:26:59 AM
Quote from: pineconefan on March 08, 2008, 01:51:31 AM
"I think it's the only city in America which gets its supplies via airdrop and sled dogs."
Not quite.  But not far off.

Meaning that city is Coeur d'Alene?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D O.C. on March 08, 2008, 02:47:09 PM
QuoteFYI: Whitworth Audio and Live Stats

OxyBob

Hey! Save it for the front page.

You get to Salem and I'll go too. (Will my Bush'bate be in my mailbox by then?)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bbaddict on March 08, 2008, 03:43:22 PM
Don't hold your breath on the Bushbate DOC.  They'll try to find a way to exclude you!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on March 08, 2008, 09:32:21 PM
Quote from: April on March 06, 2008, 01:39:12 AM
So do we have a tally of who is going to the game tomorrow? Count me in....
If Oxy wins tonight, they will be playing Wheaton.  Small world.


Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on March 08, 2008, 09:54:38 PM
So far, I can say that I like Whitworth's announcers.  I hope we get ours back if we win though!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on March 08, 2008, 10:16:48 PM
I'm with you Fan, This crew is good.

Talk about sounding like old school 1950's American radio. oh wait, i was never around that time ;D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bbaddict on March 08, 2008, 10:26:50 PM
The funny thing is that Castle is pretty young.  Definitely not as old as he sounds!  Wild game!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on March 08, 2008, 10:29:31 PM
I should say, their announcer (only one guy) is very impressive.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bbaddict on March 08, 2008, 10:31:50 PM
And if you want to be extra geeky, you can look at the live stats as you listen.  Sometimes the LS get ahead of the announcer, so there must be a delay.  (It's the dog sled thing, I think!)

Castle's a pro.   Good announcer!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on March 08, 2008, 10:36:57 PM
Are you serious. And for a second i thought this guy (Castle) was in his 80's.
Wow, Oxy 38 Pirates:33 It should be a great 2nd half
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on March 08, 2008, 10:38:28 PM
I must be geeky, because I do have the live stats up and running.  Only problem is that the stats are slightly ahead of the audio.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bbaddict on March 08, 2008, 10:51:59 PM
Oh, I'm not calling anyone names -- I've got Audio & LS on the Whitworth game, a game on TV and I keep checking on the Duke/NC game as well as the NWC women (UPS v. GFU). 

Castle's definitely not 80 -- more like early to mid 30's.  His voice doesn't match his looks at all!

Looking forward to the 2nd half.  Exciting game!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Howlinwolf on March 09, 2008, 12:04:51 AM
Congrats to Whitworth on their second half push to best Oxy, 83-75. Can't imagine that Oxy faced a better shooting team all year; from both the field and the foul line, the Pirates were lights out.

Kudos to Oxy on yet another stellar season. Special thanks to all the seniors. Coach Newhall showed his class by getting both Impleman and Meier some time in  the last game of their careers.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LogShow on March 09, 2008, 12:19:07 AM
Oxy had a good season.  They have done very well down there in the SCIAC and have represented that conference well.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on March 09, 2008, 12:19:50 AM
Quote from: bbaddict on March 08, 2008, 10:31:50 PM
And if you want to be extra geeky, you can look at the live stats as you listen.  Sometimes the LS get ahead of the announcer, so there must be a delay.  (It's the dog sled thing, I think!)

Castle's a pro.   Good announcer!

Yeah, but not THAT good, right?   ;)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on March 09, 2008, 12:27:59 AM
Too bad for the Tigers.  Was hoping to travel to  ??? next weekend.  Random thoughts:

That loss to CMS was key as it probably cost Oxy home court and possible this game.  Not having Anderson didn't help.  Not taking away from Whitworth, which has finished strong and should represent the WC well.

That said, the problem tonight did not appear to be scoring.  My sense is that Oxy plays good D but when they step up in competition, those teams can knock down shots that a Pomona or CMS can't. 

My very limited sample of NWC hoops is that it's more up-tempo than SCIAC with not as many coaches emphasizing D like the top dogs in the SCIAC (Newhall,Kats,Scali) do.  Would like the NWC folks to chime in on that one.

I was thinking before the game that in response to the NWC guys asking how to stop Whitman, the answer was to put someone on him at all time and hope for a post-Shaq/Pre-Pau Kobe like 7-20 night. 

Congrats to Oxy and their staff on another good season.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on March 09, 2008, 12:30:49 AM
I had to make a special trip to Spokane to get a repair on an upper extremity before I could push the keys on my keyboard. 

Otherwise, I would have made a comment on the vastness of the arena distorting the shooting background.  :)

Don't forget to "spring ahead" tonight.  :'(
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bbaddict on March 09, 2008, 01:03:46 AM
Quote from: tigersports on March 09, 2008, 12:27:59 AM
Too bad for the Tigers.  Was hoping to travel to  ??? next weekend.  Random thoughts:

That loss to CMS was key as it probably cost Oxy home court and possible this game.  Not having Anderson didn't help.  Not taking away from Whitworth, which has finished strong and should represent the WC well.

That said, the problem tonight did not appear to be scoring.  My sense is that Oxy plays good D but when they step up in competition, those teams can knock down shots that a Pomona or CMS can't. 

My very limited sample of NWC hoops is that it's more up-tempo than SCIAC with not as many coaches emphasizing D like the top dogs in the SCIAC (Newhall,Kats,Scali) do.  Would like the NWC folks to chime in on that one.

I was thinking before the game that in response to the NWC guys asking how to stop Whitman, the answer was to put someone on him at all time and hope for a post-Shaq/Pre-Pau Kobe like 7-20 night. 

Congrats to Oxy and their staff on another good season.

Whitworth and UPS play a similar style run & gun offense.   
 
The WU Bearcats play pretty strong defense and they beat Whitworth in their house this year.  I was wondering how tonight would go when SCIAC fans were talking about how strong your teams are defensively.   NWC teams with good defense have beat Whitworth this year.   

Whitworth had a stellar night.  100% FT shooting.  Their 3 pt. FG's in the first half were about 71%  -- they had a great night and Oxy still was up on them at the half.  I really thought it could go either way, right down to the wire.  Don't know if you listened to the broadcast, but Castle waited until the last 15 seconds to say it was a win.  Your team played well -- it's just tough to win in that fieldhouse with the screaming, crazy fans!   And, from the sounds of it, it was a standing room only crowd.

I listened to the webcast and watched the live stats and that was a great game, but someone had to win and Whitworth did that.  Oxy played well, though!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: nwhoops1903 on March 09, 2008, 03:44:39 AM
Quote from: Howlinwolf on March 09, 2008, 12:04:51 AM
Congrats to Whitworth on their second half push to best Oxy, 83-75. Can't imagine that Oxy faced a better shooting team all year; from both the field and the foul line, the Pirates were lights out...

Conti shot the ball better than anyone else on the floor and kept his team close.  Very impressive.  Whitman is also a remarkable shooter.  Oxy basically ran an offense for him as option 1 and done.  I think that was the real difference tonight as Whitworth had more weapons to go to.  If not for Conti, WW would have cruised by 20.  Good game and fun to watch.  It was definitely capacity with lots of people standing and a real good group traveling for Oxy.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pineconefan on March 09, 2008, 02:05:54 PM
Congratulation Oxy on another terrific year.  I was very impressed with the Tigers:  sound and well-coached. 

Connor Whitman is the real deal.  He hit some threes from very deep, pull up and knock it down.  When the rest of the team was a little overwhelmed at the beginning of the game, Whitman almost singlehandedly kept his team in it until the rest of the group could settle down.

His shooting percentage wasn't great at the end of the game because he had to try to force some things to try to keep the Tigers going when Whitworth was making its big second half run.  But he did make the pass of the night, penetrating into the key, drawing defenders and shooting a no-look to a wide open teammate for a lay up.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pineconefan on March 09, 2008, 02:09:02 PM
From this morning's Spokane Spokesman-Review:

"They've got a heady team," Occidental coach Brian Newhall said of the Pirates, who shot 51 percent (26 of 51) from the field and made 11 of 22 3-pointers. "Look at all five of their players that played the majority of minutes – they're all good, smart, efficient players, which makes for a fun, sound team.

"We played one of our best halves of the season in the first half, and it still wasn't enough to beat them."

That second sentance matches with what I saw last night.  Occidental played a very good game, but came up just short.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: NWCer on March 09, 2008, 03:19:59 PM
Quote from: tigersports on March 09, 2008, 12:27:59 AM
Too bad for the Tigers.  Was hoping to travel to  ??? next weekend.  Random thoughts:

That loss to CMS was key as it probably cost Oxy home court and possible this game.  Not having Anderson didn't help.  Not taking away from Whitworth, which has finished strong and should represent the WC well.

That said, the problem tonight did not appear to be scoring.  My sense is that Oxy plays good D but when they step up in competition, those teams can knock down shots that a Pomona or CMS can't. 

My very limited sample of NWC hoops is that it's more up-tempo than SCIAC with not as many coaches emphasizing D like the top dogs in the SCIAC (Newhall,Kats,Scali) do.  Would like the NWC folks to chime in on that one.

I was thinking before the game that in response to the NWC guys asking how to stop Whitman, the answer was to put someone on him at all time and hope for a post-Shaq/Pre-Pau Kobe like 7-20 night. 

Congrats to Oxy and their staff on another good season.

Tigersports, I think it's accurate to say Pacific, Whitworth, and probably Willamette are the top 3 defensive teams in the NWC, and all seem to place an emphasis on defense.  UPS's style offers a different type of scenario, but I think its safe, looking at the stats and seeing all the teams play several times in previous years, that the others don't emphasize defense nearly as much as those three I listed.  PLU, Linfield, and LC are running and shooting 3's, Whitman is just bad, and George Fox's defense isn't impressive.  I think that Pacific and Whitworth are the grind em out teams, everyone else probably favors the uptempo like you pictured.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on March 09, 2008, 03:26:12 PM
The announcer kept referring to the students and their umbrellas when it was "raining threes".

I couldn't quite visualize that.  I know it rains a lot in Spokane, but do they actually open them inside the arena or to they keep them closed?  Opening them up doesn't make sense for sight and safety purposes.  One eyed Pirates might be very common.

Please add a little explanation. 

It sounded like a great game.  I wish I could have been there.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LogShow on March 09, 2008, 03:27:02 PM
Pretty good analysis NWCer! 8) I would have to agree.  There is quite a mix of gunning 3's, grinding out the defense, and uptempo
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LogShow on March 09, 2008, 03:27:55 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on March 09, 2008, 03:26:12 PM
The announcer kept referring to the students and their umbrellas when it was "raining threes".

I couldn't quite visualize that.  I know it rains a lot in Spokane, but do they actually open them inside the arena or to they keep them closed?  Opening them up doesn't make sense for sight and safety purposes.  One eyed Pirates might be very common.

Please add a little explanation. 


Their eye patches provide all the protection they need :D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciac_is_fun on March 09, 2008, 05:32:49 PM
the SCIAC, by contrast, is definitely one of the most methodical, physical brands of basketball that I've experienced.  for the most part, the teams that have been successful over the years are the teams that played the best defense combined with 2-3 good scoring options (or one dominating scoring presence, like Whitman or Avedian). 

it seems to me that SCIAC coaches preach shot selection, perhaps to a fault at times.  We always have a couple teams among the DIII leaders in FG%, in spite of what is in all honesty a relatively low level of offensive talent.  certainly this style makes sense given the state of the talent, but it doesn't do much for developing the talent you do have. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: nwhoops1903 on March 09, 2008, 10:34:32 PM
"They've got a heady team," Occidental coach Brian Newhall said of the Pirates, who shot 51 percent (26 of 51) from the field and made 11 of 22 3-pointers. "Look at all five of their players that played the majority of minutes – they're all good, smart, efficient players, which makes for a fun, sound team.

"We played one of our best halves of the season in the first half, and it still wasn't enough to beat them."

Classy guy.  It was interesting to see how Newhall coached his bench.  Very animated and seemed to be willing and encouraging his players to believe they could accomplish a very difficult task.  I was impressed with his passion and poise.  Obviously, loves coaching. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on March 09, 2008, 11:08:10 PM
Congrats to the Pirates for their big win last night. Best of luck representing the West coast and your school during the next round of this crazy dance.

To the Men in orange and black, all the Seniors, Coach Newhall and his staff, thank you very much for another exciting season. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DIIIghetto on March 09, 2008, 11:11:31 PM
Back from Spokane.   I never thought I would say that a trip that ended in a loss for the SCIAC was worth it but this one was.  That was simply a great DIII tournament game.   So much for the jitters, this game was about two teams playing without fear and making huge play after huge play for 40 minutes.  My hat is off to Conner, Conti and all of the Tigers.  Those kids played outstanding.  They constantly had answers for a Whitworth team that shot better in a pressure packed envioronment than I have ever seen a team shoot.  After they hit the first 2, Whitworth didn't get any easy looks.  It didn't matter.  They worked and worked to get shots and continued to drain them with guys as close to them as they could get without fouling.  What Whitworth did from 19 and beyond throughout that game was nothing short of special.  Neither team scored much in the paint.  Watching Whitworth shoot last night was special.  5 guys hitting from beyond the arc, all with Oxy either in the lead or close to it.  Money performances from their big 5. 

Conner was on a different level.  He kept pulling from deeper and deeper.  His performance in the 1st half was nothing short of spectacular, the stuff all-americans are made of.   He made 2 from 3 feet beyond the NBA line, with a guy on him.  All of them were big shots because Oxy was down.  I think when Oxy went on a tear near the end of the 1st half you could see from the looks on the Whitworth guys faces that they could not do much more to stop Whitman.   I actually think that Conner's performance was so special in the 1st half that his coming back down to earth (coupled with some physical and excellent D by Whitworth) for the first 7 minutes of the second half, is the one thing that did Oxy in.  When a guy is in a special zone like that, you let him go.  Connor kept going and the 3 or 4 shots he missed in the beginning of the second half ultimately were Oxy's undoing.  I hope that Whitman's supporters don't take that the wrong way because even with that stretch, the kid had an all-american game.  But the reality was that CW was so 'on' for the first 20 minutes that it prevented some of Oxy's other weapons from playing as aggressively as they needed.  They were able to jump start it after that brief period in the 2nd half, but by then the mountain was just too big (especially given the way Whitworth was shooting free throws). 

I just want to thank both teams for providing everyone in the gym that much excitement.   Each possession was for 20+ seconds and each team just kept coming up huge.   The starting 5 for Whitworth and the Oxy players all seemed to not just ignore the pressure of the moment, but thrived in it.   What a special night.  And trust me, I bleed for the SCIAC so my saying that is not easy.  I would much rather complain about the officiating, snow, Whitworth's juco pipeline or something else.  Just can't do it.   That game was too amazing. 
   
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D O.C. on March 10, 2008, 02:45:02 PM
Oh well, a decent season ends with a loss on the road in winter.  I suppose I'll use my Bushbate  on the 4.25 a gallon pumps thereby contributing, once again, to record quarter profits for....
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on March 10, 2008, 02:45:47 PM
I'll let the NWC'ers chime in, but Spokane is not rainy like Seattle or Portland.  Spokane is in a steppe area, on the leeward side of the Cascades and is actually pretty dry.

I agree that the SCIAC seems to have a void of standout offensive players that the NWC seems to have in more abundance.  Whereas Oxy will come up with a Whitman, the NWC teams I've seen seem to have 3-4 guys who can consistently knock down shots and that has been the difference in the two losses the Tigers have had up there in the last 3 years.

As for "stepping up," I meant that as Oxy faces greater competition, they face better shooters that are not as easily defended as the 2-3 maximum that a SCIAC team runs out there on a nigthly basis.  I guess what I'm saying is that they're not a top-15 program yet.

That said, they're awfully good and consistently one of the top 2-3 teams out here on the coast and we'll take that.





Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on March 10, 2008, 02:53:04 PM
How do we continue to attract top student athletes to Oxy so that we can get more of the dominant player(s) that you speak of?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on March 10, 2008, 02:56:17 PM
Wow. So what your saying Tigersports is that because of such flaw like mentioned above, our Tigers should not be considered a top 15 team.
Wow, and for a second there i would have though that you would have petitioned for the Tigers being considered a top 15 being that Coach Newhall and co. has beaten great teams such as Amherst, Ill. Wesleyan and dare i not say. SUNY Plattburgh?
Sure the the NWC had teams with more options, but this tiger time rose from the ranks of being made up of bench players to men who ranked high for their good play.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on March 10, 2008, 03:32:17 PM
Quote from: OxyFan21 on March 10, 2008, 02:53:04 PM
How do we continue to attract top student athletes to Oxy so that we can get more of the dominant player(s) that you speak of?

juco transfers. :o ;D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: nwhoops1903 on March 10, 2008, 03:33:49 PM
Quote from: Browneagle64 on March 10, 2008, 02:56:17 PM
Wow. So what your saying Tigersports is that because of such flaw like mentioned above, our Tigers should not be considered a top 15 team.
Wow, and for a second there i would have though that you would have petitioned for the Tigers being considered a top 15 being that Coach Newhall and co. has beaten great teams such as Amherst, Ill. Wesleyan and dare i not say. SUNY Plattburgh?
Sure the the NWC had teams with more options, but this tiger time rose from the ranks of being made up of bench players to men who ranked high for their good play.
Guys, who really knows who is a top 15 team anyway.  Oxy and Cal Lu were very good teams and so is Whitworth.  As soon as a far west team gets into a final 4 or final 8, then our 2 confs. will get some more street cred. with the voters.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bbaddict on March 10, 2008, 04:00:58 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on March 10, 2008, 03:32:17 PM
Quote from: OxyFan21 on March 10, 2008, 02:53:04 PM
How do we continue to attract top student athletes to Oxy so that we can get more of the dominant player(s) that you speak of?

juco transfers. :o ;D

Hey, that's what I was going to say.  Quit letting Hayford rob California of its juco transfers!

And, can I just say that Oxy Bob's statement about the game and Whitworth winning it is one of the classiest posts I've seen.   You're pretty cool OxyBob!  Honestly, though, I listened to the game and thought it could go either way until about the last minute!   
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bbaddict on March 10, 2008, 04:08:55 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on March 09, 2008, 03:26:12 PM
The announcer kept referring to the students and their umbrellas when it was "raining threes".

I couldn't quite visualize that.  I know it rains a lot in Spokane, but do they actually open them inside the arena or to they keep them closed?  Opening them up doesn't make sense for sight and safety purposes.  One eyed Pirates might be very common.

Please add a little explanation. 

It sounded like a great game.  I wish I could have been there.

Don't know about the rain references -- we use it in the Willamette Valley, but it makes sense!  Making it rain is scoring big!  But, Spokane is one of the driest places on earth, except for snow.  Doesn't it rain there twice a year whether you need it or not? 

I just hope the student section at Whitworth wasn't rude to Oxy.   When WU played there the students all turned their backs while the WU team was introduced.   But, WU got the last word -- they beat them that night and not by a little!  Of course, that's ancient history now.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: nwhoops1903 on March 10, 2008, 04:37:03 PM
Quote from: bbaddict on March 10, 2008, 04:00:58 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on March 10, 2008, 03:32:17 PM
Quote from: OxyFan21 on March 10, 2008, 02:53:04 PM
How do we continue to attract top student athletes to Oxy so that we can get more of the dominant player(s) that you speak of?

juco transfers. :o ;D

Hey, that's what I was going to say.  Quit letting Hayford rob California of its juco transfers! 
Yea, poor California, it only has 50 times more jucos than WA.  The nerve of Hayford.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bbaddict on March 10, 2008, 04:39:39 PM
Quote from: nwhoops1903 on March 10, 2008, 04:37:03 PM
Quote from: bbaddict on March 10, 2008, 04:00:58 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on March 10, 2008, 03:32:17 PM
Quote from: OxyFan21 on March 10, 2008, 02:53:04 PM
How do we continue to attract top student athletes to Oxy so that we can get more of the dominant player(s) that you speak of?

juco transfers. :o ;D

Hey, that's what I was going to say.  Quit letting Hayford rob California of its juco transfers!
Yea, poor California, it only has 50 times more jucos than WA.  The nerve of Hayford.

Hey nwhoops, surely you know it isn't California that I'm looking out for here!  ;)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LogShow on March 10, 2008, 05:07:07 PM
Word.   UPS would be wise to look at those options and maybe dip into the juco pool
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bbaddict on March 10, 2008, 05:13:01 PM
Hey, if juco transfers are good enough for Lews & Clark, then everyone should think about it!  Works for Whitworth's teams.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on March 10, 2008, 05:17:32 PM
Quote from: Browneagle64 on March 10, 2008, 02:56:17 PM
Wow. So what your saying Tigersports is that because of such flaw like mentioned above, our Tigers should not be considered a top 15 team.
Wow, and for a second there i would have though that you would have petitioned for the Tigers being considered a top 15 being that Coach Newhall and co. has beaten great teams such as Amherst, Ill. Wesleyan and dare i not say. SUNY Plattburgh?
Sure the the NWC had teams with more options, but this tiger time rose from the ranks of being made up of bench players to men who ranked high for their good play.

Browneagle, not sure what you meant here and Newhall has done a great job bringing the Tigers into perennial playoff conention.  I don't think anyone can say, though, that they're in the elite, perennial contender status.  A lot would've had to happen (i.e., injuries, top teams stumbling) for them to get to Salem any of the last three years.  I don't say that as a criticism and I'm very happy to announce games for a team that consistently contends for its conference title.  I'm just observing that it's pretty clear that they're not a North Carolina or Duke yet (by D-III standards); they are still a Gonzaga or Oregon.

As for what could be done to make it better, perhaps Song Cun has a cousin out there (or better yet a clone).
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on March 10, 2008, 05:55:32 PM
I don't think the admissions office at Oxy would allow too many Juco transfers, but perhaps with better support from the Administration as a whole, the college's athletic programs can become consistent winners...outside of the relatively recent success of football and basketball.

Money, basically.




Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 10, 2008, 06:01:15 PM
Quote from: Browneagle64 on March 10, 2008, 02:56:17 PM
Wow, and for a second there i would have though that you would have petitioned for the Tigers being considered a top 15 being that Coach Newhall and co. has beaten great teams such as Amherst, Ill. Wesleyan and dare i not say. SUNY Plattburgh?

Does a game from 2006 really belong in this sentence?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DIIIghetto on March 10, 2008, 06:41:48 PM
I found it interesting to note at the Oxy - Whitworth game that the Tigers had a real Seattle NW base while the Pirates from Spokane had much more of a Cali base.   Those two kids from Palo Alto were studs who I wish had found their way to the SCIAC. 

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on March 10, 2008, 09:40:58 PM
Quote from: OxyFan21 on March 10, 2008, 05:55:32 PM
I don't think the admissions office at Oxy would allow too many Juco transfers, but perhaps with better support from the Administration as a whole, the college's athletic programs can become consistent winners...outside of the relatively recent success of football and basketball.
Money, basically.

1.  Oxy admits about 60 transfer students each year . . . remember that we're a college of about 1800, and as you improve on the retention of your frosh admits, the number of spaces available for transfers drops . . . the only way to make room for more is to expand the student body, and no way the faculty will ever go with that . . . small college means small college;

2.  Administration support?  Upon the arrival of Ted Mitchell in 1999, through Kenyon Chan, Susan Prager and now Bob Skotheim, all of the presidents of this college value athletics.  The admissions office works, and has for the last decade, worked in a great partnership role with the coaches . . . no antagonism there at all. Across the board, all of Oxy's senior administrators are hugely supportive of athletics at Oxy.

3.  The college is in the master planning process with the City of Los Angeles, and within that bigger project, looking specifically at an athletic master plan.  Resources for facilities are being provided.  The women's softball pitch, the FieldTurf on Patterson, the impending upgrade of the Rush Gymnasium bleachers and floor, expanding the coaching staff, bringing club sports back under the Athletics Dept. control . . . all demonstrate administrative support for athletics.

4.  More $$? . . . feel free to give generously to the Tiger Club generally or the athletic team(s) of your choice.  Alumni giving to athletics is up 10 times what it was in 1999 . . . do your part.  Better yet, get your friends together and endow a few coaching slots, or create an equipment endowment.  Or . . . write a check for $40,000 so that Newhall and Hoffman can replace the old never to be used again wooden basketball hoops/backstops with new glass ones so that the capacity for bball practice in Rush is expanded.  They are 10K each and 4 are needed. . . got a few friends that want to pitch in?

tooth

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on March 10, 2008, 10:11:44 PM
Tooth,

I hear you...I was merely saying that admin support 'could' be much better.  Now, living in the midwest, I see what top-flight facilities D3 schools are capable of.  Have you seen how things are run at a Wash U or a Hope, for example?  I family member of mine used to work in the admissions department at Williams, and I can tell you that their admissions department does some 'favors', which I would not be opposed to at all for us at Oxy.  Hey, Harvard is doing it, right? 

Things have definitely improved at Oxy since I left in '00, but I don't think that anyone would say that support is great.  Better, yes...great, not yet.  I'm not sure when you graduated, but I was there during some really lean years, athletically. 

I do give money to the Tiger Club, am proud of being an Oxy supporter here in the midwest, and wear my Oxy gear around all of the time (I was at a local hospital last week and a stranger came up to me and said that his daughter was headed to Oxy next Fall).  We are on the verge of doing something special there in Eagle Rock, and it's nice to know that Rush is getting a much needed upgrade.

PC, will you be in St. Louis this weekend?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 11, 2008, 04:08:47 PM
Indeed, I will.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on March 11, 2008, 09:59:05 PM
Most likely, I will be at the games this weekend...depending on how my wife feels (7.5 months pregnant)...look forward to seeing the games and perhaps meeting you.  I will be wearing my Oxy gear, usually I sit up top in the 2nd level, on the same side of the benches.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bbaddict on March 11, 2008, 11:00:10 PM
Quote from: DIIIghetto on March 10, 2008, 06:41:48 PM
I found it interesting to note at the Oxy - Whitworth game that the Tigers had a real Seattle NW base while the Pirates from Spokane had much more of a Cali base.   Those two kids from Palo Alto were studs who I wish had found their way to the SCIAC. 

If you lived in Seattle, you'd want to move to Southern California as well.

I've never figured out why California athletes come this direction, especially to Spokane.  But, Coach Hayford graduated from Azusa and has a masters from Claremont and has tons of family in California.  He coached there, too, so I'm guessing his networking is pretty extensive with former players, coaches, etc.   Also, it's very cold in Spokane in December and it's no accident that Whitworth teams spend a great deal of their preseason in Southern California!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 12, 2008, 02:08:32 AM
Quote from: bbaddict on March 11, 2008, 11:00:10 PM
Quote from: DIIIghetto on March 10, 2008, 06:41:48 PM
I found it interesting to note at the Oxy - Whitworth game that the Tigers had a real Seattle NW base while the Pirates from Spokane had much more of a Cali base.   Those two kids from Palo Alto were studs who I wish had found their way to the SCIAC. 

If you lived in Seattle, you'd want to move to Southern California as well.

Seems as though the migration has gone in the opposite direction, with SoCal natives moving to the Emerald City in such significant numbers that it has ticked off the natives. When a friend of mine graduated from law school in San Diego and planned to move to Seattle, his brother (a Seattleite of twenty years) told him to establish his residency before he moved and to thus acquire Washington license plates and put them on his car prior to his arrival. When my friend asked why this rigamarole was necessary, his brother said, "Because parked cars in Seattle that have California license plates sometimes get bricks or rocks thrown through their windshields."

(Personally, I blame this sort of antisocial behavior on excess coffee intake.)

Of course, that was back in the early '90s, so the Seattleite hostility may have died down since then. Now it's my friends in Denver that're doing all the complaining about Cali transplants "ruining" their city. ;) :D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 12, 2008, 02:22:08 AM
Oregon was the home of the bumper sticker...

"Don't Californicate Oregon"

and Californians have displaced Texans as the primary focus of disdain and dislike of non-natives.

In the 1970's the bumper stickers roared...

If God had wanted Texans to ski, He would have made B***S*** white.

The Texans responded...

God intended for Texans to ski, He gave them money.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bbaddict on March 12, 2008, 07:07:17 PM
I'm confused.  I thought people in NW states (WA & OR) had a prejudice towards Californians, but I also thought people in Texas thought the civilized world ended at their borders, so they didn't bother to consider what might be beyond them.  The funny thing is that CA has so many people that wherever you go, someone is from CA.  (Most of Oregon's residents came from Cali and then wanted to lock the gate!)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on March 12, 2008, 08:55:00 PM
Three hunters, exhausted from a long and fruitless day, are sitting around their campfire.  One is from California, another from Colorado, and the third is from Montana. 

The Coloradan, who is particularly frustrated about his lack of a kill, reaches into his pack and retrieves a can of Coors beer.  He sets the can up on a rock at the edge of camp, then takes his shotgun and blasts it.  The can explodes into a satisfying blizzard of beer foam. 

The other two are shocked.  The Montanan asks, "are you crazy, wasting a good beer like that?"  The Coloradan responds, "ah, it was just a Coors.  We got a billion of 'em in Colorado, so we just shoot 'em for fun."

The Californian nods and says, "I know just what you mean," and reaches into his back for a bottle of Chardonnay.  He takes the bottle, tosses it into the air, and blows it apart with his shotgun.  "There's so much wine in California, that it's really no loss to blast a bottle now and then.  And it's so satisfying," he says, sitting back down with a big grin on his face.

"Say, that seems like a pretty good idea.  Come to think of it, there's a couple of things we've got way too much of here in Montana," says the Montanan, whereupon he takes his shotgun and kills the other two.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LogShow on March 12, 2008, 09:32:56 PM
There may be starbucks on every other street corner, and the locals may get annoyed with the large amounts of people moving here (LA traffic doesn't have much on Seattle).  But I would think that it is a bit extreme to be throwing bricks through people's car windows.  I hope that none of that nonesene actaually goes on.  I would be a bit embarassed if it did.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 12, 2008, 10:13:13 PM
David, good one - +k! :D

Alas, you're in deep doo-doo for 'poaching' out-of-season: current legal targets are Californians and TEXANS - Coloradans are a different season.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 12, 2008, 10:18:46 PM
+1! David!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: nwhoops1903 on March 13, 2008, 11:27:30 AM
I am having an MRI today to check to see if I am claustrophobic.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LogShow on March 13, 2008, 01:27:03 PM
OxyBob is in his element!  ;D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D O.C. on March 15, 2008, 08:34:59 PM
Quote"Say, that seems like a pretty good idea.  Come to think of it, there's a couple of things we've got way too much of here in Montana," says the Montanan, whereupon he takes his shotgun and kills the other two.

You sure that wasn't a scene out of 3:10 to Yuma?

Always wondered OxyBob, if you were a graduate of the Naval Academy would you be Nabob? Just a nattering on my part.   8)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on March 20, 2008, 04:01:49 PM
What great news to hear about Connor. Wow, that is awesome that West Region coaches and school's all recoginized that Mr. Whitman is good indeed go on the bball court. Congrats again to Connor for good season. Here sure will be missed. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DIIIghetto on March 24, 2008, 12:10:29 PM
Congrats to Connor, Oxy, Cal Lu & Kats.  Great season for the SCIAC.  Thanks for helping us move one step closer to getting out of the DIII ghetto.  Hey, if Wash U and Amherst can be in the Final, why shouldn't SCIAC fans think that someday we might get a decent draw and get there ourselves. 

PC, when are the DIII powers going to wake up and move that Final Four venue?  We could host that thing at any number of LA or San Fran venues and get the same turnout - and although it might be farther for folks to fly, I would bet that the costs of flying to those two major cities would be comparable to getting way the heck down to Salem. 

Okay, now that dream may be far fetched but at least for DIII fans the Committee has to consider moving that thing at least to Hope, Calvin (new facility) or Wash U.   People tuning in to watch that game do not see a true reflection of the atmosphere for great DIII hoops.   It does nothing to raise our profile.  Kids see that and although the play is great, the atmosphere is like a NBADL game. 

That has to be about the biggest no-brainer decision ever.  Does anyone else get the feeling that this is another decision being made behind the scenes and some Shriners meeting in the backwoods?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on March 24, 2008, 12:23:02 PM
Well, let's add to the Connor Whitman kudos by noting and congratulating him on being named an honorable mention all american by DIII hoops.

Io Triumphe!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on March 24, 2008, 01:34:45 PM
Good Call Tooth. Congrats, yet again to Mr. Whitman on such recognition and big accomplishment.

Go Tigers.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 24, 2008, 01:40:17 PM
Quote from: DIIIghetto on March 24, 2008, 12:10:29 PM
Congrats to Connor, Oxy, Cal Lu & Kats.  Great season for the SCIAC.  Thanks for helping us move one step closer to getting out of the DIII ghetto.  Hey, if Wash U and Amherst can be in the Final, why shouldn't SCIAC fans think that someday we might get a decent draw and get there ourselves. 

PC, when are the DIII powers going to wake up and move that Final Four venue?  We could host that thing at any number of LA or San Fran venues and get the same turnout - and although it might be farther for folks to fly, I would bet that the costs of flying to those two major cities would be comparable to getting way the heck down to Salem. 

Okay, now that dream may be far fetched but at least for DIII fans the Committee has to consider moving that thing at least to Hope, Calvin (new facility) or Wash U.   People tuning in to watch that game do not see a true reflection of the atmosphere for great DIII hoops.   It does nothing to raise our profile.  Kids see that and although the play is great, the atmosphere is like a NBADL game. 

That has to be about the biggest no-brainer decision ever.  Does anyone else get the feeling that this is another decision being made behind the scenes and some Shriners meeting in the backwoods?

I think it was a tough weekend to expect much attendance, being Easter and all.

People tuning in to watch that game do not see a true reflection of what it's like in Salem, either. Being in the building helps a little bit.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TeeDub on March 25, 2008, 02:13:53 PM
Come on, Bob, the NCAA would never do anything like you just described.  That seems so counter to their own guidelines.  I mean, what evidence do you have that would justify your obviously slanted perspective of the selection process.

Oh wait, that is exactly what happened.....TWICE!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 25, 2008, 07:30:52 PM
I think it's important to remember there is a difference between the selection committee and the NCAA's beancounters.

The committee can very well be committed to trying to make it fair and still have it shot down by the person controlling the budget. I believe that's what happened this year.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on March 26, 2008, 11:52:06 AM
Who is the person(s) that control the budget aspect, shouldn't they be "in" on the discussion with the commitee before the bracket gets released?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on March 26, 2008, 12:02:04 PM
I can understand the NCAA wanting to save money by pitting Pomona vs. Oxy in the first round, but the trip that bothers me is the one to Whitworth.  Don't tickets from LA to Spokane, or vice versa cost the same amout of money?

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 27, 2008, 06:58:43 PM
Well, technically he said the streak has reached 271 games. It apparently has also surpassed 271, but it's not inaccurate to say it reached it. :)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TeeDub on March 27, 2008, 11:20:37 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 27, 2008, 06:58:43 PM
Well, technically he said the streak has reached 271 games. It apparently has also surpassed 271, but it's not inaccurate to say it reached it. :)

...and so begins a new chapter in the OB / PC battle...
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 28, 2008, 01:12:44 AM
No battle here. Just a little fact-checking. :)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 28, 2008, 01:07:38 PM
Reaching with a smiley. Give me a break. Read my context, both of you, before you go off the deep end.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on March 28, 2008, 04:52:19 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on March 28, 2008, 04:05:53 PM
"The tryout entry fee is $200 in cash only, no checks."
I already know I can't jump. :'(   No Charge!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on March 31, 2008, 10:09:51 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on March 28, 2008, 04:05:53 PM
Article in the Thousand Oaks Acorn (http://www.toacorn.com/news/2008/0327/Sports/079.html) about the LA Lightning, a new franchise in the International Basketball League. The Lightning is going to play its home games in Gilbert Arena at Cal Lutheran. Tryouts are this weekend. The team web site (http://www.lalightning.net/team.php) says, "The tryout entry fee is $200 in cash only, no checks."

QuoteIn a league where teams average 126 points per game, the IBL is to the NBA what the Arena Football League is to the NFL.

The IBL is similar to the NBA, but the league limits dead time by employing a 22-second shot clock and allowing teams only one timeout per quarter. The IBL is in its fourth year and has 18 teams, with professional teams in Canada and China.

Ticket prices range from $6-$25 for general admission, and $100-$200 for courtside seats, which is a heck of lot more than the free admission to watch a SCIAC game in Gilbert.

My prediction: One season and done.

OxyBob

Why would you ever think of charging that much for a IBL game? The highest ticket prices for any other team is like $40. most of them aren't even that high. They aren't going to get anyone in those courtside seats.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on April 01, 2008, 02:21:32 PM
Word has it that the IBL will not start the games off by doing the traditional Opening Tip. Instead both players will have to dash for the ball that is placed 60 yards away from them and will then need to recover the fumble.
Oh wait a min., that was for the now defunct XFL which soon will be joined by this IBL. Hahaha ;D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on April 07, 2008, 06:03:03 PM
Just saw on the Oxy website that the Tiger Women have hired a new coach, Heidi VanDerveer.

http://www.oxy.edu/x6834.xml
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OXY Oswald on May 16, 2008, 01:47:26 PM
Article from ESPN.com

Summer Session Takes on a Whole New Meaning at Caltech (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/columns/story?columnist=oneil_dana&id=3396819&lpos=spotlight&lid=tab4pos1)

QuoteThe beach is tantalizingly close. West L.A. beckons for some fun, but this is the offseason and the offseason is no time for slacking.

In the offseason, college basketball players set themselves apart and hone their skills by studying the formation of snowflakes, searching for planetoids and asteroids on the Kuiper Belt and synthesizing organic polymers.

What? You thought we were going to say working on the arc of their jump shot?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on May 28, 2008, 10:56:01 PM
Hey Oxy faithful,

Rush Gym is currently in the process of its major face lift. The Bleachers have been pulled down, walls are being scraped, the giant wooden curtain has been pulled down, old metal is piling up in the middle of the floor and orders are being placed for your favorite bleacher/ section at good ol' rush gym (Bob, apparently the bleacher that says "OxyBob was Here" is going up for 20 bucks). I sure do hope that this face lift makes Rush Gym look good.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 28, 2008, 11:00:44 PM
Quote from: Browneagle64 on May 28, 2008, 10:56:01 PM
...
(Bob, apparently the bleacher that says "OxyBob was Here" is going up for 20 bucks).

I'll bid $21.00.   :D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on May 29, 2008, 12:03:19 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 28, 2008, 11:00:44 PM
Quote from: Browneagle64 on May 28, 2008, 10:56:01 PM
...
(Bob, apparently the bleacher that says "OxyBob was Here" is going up for 20 bucks).

I'll bid $21.00.   :D

$22!

Firewood has gotten really expensive! ;D

Sorry, OB, couldn't resist! :-[
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on May 29, 2008, 05:01:56 PM
Keep up the bidding.  The final bid will go to snoopy, so you guys are just setting the price. ;)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on June 01, 2008, 03:17:03 PM
Not just a face lift, beyond the new bleachers and cosmetic stuff, they are installing a brand new sprung wood floor. I think it's getting a new roof too, but not sure where that played out.

This will be a huge improvement over the original floor on concrete, sanded down to its last bit.  No more dead spots, much more lively, better for the athletes . . . it's all good!


io triumphe baby!

tooth
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on June 01, 2008, 11:02:14 PM
Quote from: Sabretooth Tiger on June 01, 2008, 03:17:03 PM
Not just a face lift, beyond the new bleachers and cosmetic stuff, they are installing a brand new sprung wood floor. I think it's getting a new roof too, but not sure where that played out.

This will be a huge improvement over the original floor on concrete, sanded down to its last bit.  No more dead spots, much more lively, better for the athletes . . . it's all good!


io triumphe baby!

Tooth, great to hear from ya old man.
As of friday, the working crew has indeed stripped the old floor (word has it that they found a class of 1899' time capulse down there that included a picture of you and Bob at the Homecoming bondfire/pep rally).
But yes, having a better floor works. Not only will it be good for athletes but also all young alumni that like to play pick up games with the b-ball players and guys from the football team.
Go tigers.

(modified by GS for formatting)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on June 11, 2008, 01:31:12 PM
Rush Gym update (as of last Thursday): 

Old bleachers out, floor dug up, roof is to be repaired, not replaced for now.

They're working hard to get the new floor and bleachers in place for the incoming fall (August).

I'll check out the progress when I'm over there this week and see if there is anything further to report.

fwiw,

tooth
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OXY Oswald on June 11, 2008, 04:40:22 PM
Quote from: Sabretooth Tiger on June 11, 2008, 01:31:12 PMI'll check out the progress when I'm over there this week and see if there is anything further to report.

fwiw,

tooth
Maybe some pictures if you get the opportunity? 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on June 11, 2008, 10:39:29 PM
Oz . . . that would require technological savvy far beyond these old bones . . .

But . . . when I get an iPhone in July . . . maybe I'll be able to sort it out . . .  ;)

Old floor totally gone . . . viewed the gym from the upstairs locker room window . . . something happening at the southwest section I couldn't make out . . .

I'm guessing the next stage is painting before any installation of floors and then bleachers.  Unclear to me what else they have to do to the subsurface, but I'm guessing there is some distance to travel.

I'll be at the college fairly regularly over the summer (save for when I'm gone on the family trips to Seattle/the San Juan's in June . . . San Francisco in July . . . and Hawaii for 16 days in August baby . . . aloha bruddahs . . . guess which one I'm thinking about . . . . )

sh**  . . . I better get back to work to earn some ducats to pay for these little sojourns.

tooth




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Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on June 16, 2008, 01:49:34 PM
From the Oxy website:  http://www.oxy.edu/x7040.xml

Rush Gym Gets Million-Dollar Makeover

June 13, 2008
Contact: Colleen Sharkey, (323) 259-1406


Frank "Speedy" Neill Rush

Next season, Occidental fans will have a whole new reason to cheer on Tiger athletic teams in Rush Gym. The facility is getting a $1.5-million facelift.

"When fans show up next year, they'll see new bleachers, a new floor, new paint, and new graphics," said Joe O'Hara, assistant director of plan, design and construction. "We're pretty excited about it."

Renovations began in early June with removal of the existing floor and old bleachers. Some demolition and electrical work will continue through June. The month of July will be dedicated to the leveling of the gym's sub-floor and the laying of the new floor. The gym roof will also be repaired to prevent leaks.

The total seating capacity in the renovated gym will be 1,451. The entire project is scheduled to be completed by mid-September.

Both Occidental's men's and women's basketball teams were 2008 SCIAC conference champions. Next season, the women's volleyball team will welcome new head coach, Mike Talamantes who has 12 years of high school coaching experience and over 400 career victories with 15 League Championships.

Built in 1965, the Frank Neill Rush Gymnasium honors a distinguished athlete and alumnus, Class of 1909. Rush, nicknamed "Speedy," played football and captained
the track team before serving on the Occidental Board of Trustees for 48 years, including two terms as chairman.


Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on June 26, 2008, 10:37:56 AM
Are there any pictures of the renovation yet? 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on June 26, 2008, 10:56:53 AM
While I could guess that the staff is taking some shots, I'm not aware of anything public . . . the project has a lot of work to get done for completion . . . last I heard is sometime in early/mid September.


tooth
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on June 26, 2008, 12:35:45 PM
They should put a link up on the website that shows the progress...
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on July 01, 2008, 06:58:28 PM
Liveblogging from Taylor Pool on a hot so cal afternoon:

Looks like at least the first coat of paint has been applied in Rush Gym . . . very bright . . . fresh paint smell.  No sign of new bleachers or floor . . . which is good so long as the painting is underway.

Old wood hoops backboards have been taken down . . . don't know whether they'll be replaced with new glass boards as well . . . hope so.

OF21 . . . not sure a live cam would be worth the investment or nearly as interesting as with a new from the ground up building.

later,

tooth
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on July 09, 2008, 01:43:18 PM
Article with update and photograph of Occidental's Rush Gym renovation project:

http://www.oxyathletics.com/othernews/061308RushGymReno

tooth
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jack Parkman on July 17, 2008, 03:16:37 AM
This could be really bad for the Beavers.

http://www.venturacountystar.com/news/2008/jul/16/clu-hires-dow-as-new-womens-basketball-coach/
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 17, 2008, 05:21:58 PM
That's right, SCIAC on the front page folks. :)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on July 17, 2008, 07:30:15 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on July 17, 2008, 03:40:23 PM
Quote from: Jack Parkman on July 17, 2008, 03:16:37 AM
This could be really bad for the Beavers.

PC also has the Roy Dow news on the front page:

Caltech coach makes move (http://d3hoops.com)

While I'm sorry to see Coach Dow leave the men's side, I'm happy that he's still going to be in the SCIAC. The CLU women's program will no doubt improve under his guidance.

OxyBob

I agree. I'm happy to see Roy Dow make that move, for the sake of his sanity if nothing else. I wonder how many other basketball coaches in America would've stuck it out at Caltech for six full seasons, as he did. I also wonder how many other basketball coaches in America would've been able to match or surpass Dow's four wins at Caltech. I'm guessing that that number of coaches is smaller than a lot of people would think.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on July 22, 2008, 10:01:30 AM
Quick update on the state of Rush Gym:

After week's of stripping old paint, bleachers and the floor the working crew has 1) finished the roof, 2) have painted all the walls and 3) have now moved onto installing the new floor. More can be caught on Oxy's live feed of the construction on www..... oh wait, we don't have that capability.

edit: With all kidding aside: Oxy's athletic webpg: http://www.oxyathletics.com/landing/index  (http://www.oxyathletics.com/landing/index)  has an updated pic on what's going on in Rush Gym.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on July 29, 2008, 10:17:08 PM
Today's moderate shaker did nothing to stop the progress being made in Rush . . . the crew was hard at work on the subflooring.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on August 15, 2008, 12:29:30 AM
Hey folks, Hope all of you are enjoying your summer time.

Heres a quick update on Rush Gym: After weeks of installing the sub-flooring, the top floor has now been installed. The oak like floor has yet to be painted, but just knowing that there is a new floor in Rush is all that matters.


edit: just when i thought that this project would take its time, i was wrong. The crew working on Rush Gym has started to paint the floor. It sure is looking good.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on September 07, 2008, 12:51:01 PM
As of the first week of september, Rush Gym's new look is almost completed and right on schedule for the lady Tigers V.B season opener. The hardwood floor has been painted and polished (btw, the new logo and pic of our tiger now don's the hardwood floor) and the bleachers are being erected. Looks like Oxy really made a good investment in getting this project going. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on October 08, 2008, 12:51:58 PM
Hey Bob, I think someone  from the Oxy Athletic department has been reading this board since the summer when I playfuly suggested that we hold an auction to buy some historic memorablia. As of last week, the dept. will be conducting a 3-on-3 ball tourney to 1) allow alumni and friends of Oxy to play and try out the new bball court, 2) to raise money for the bball programs, and 3) to hold an auction. In saying that, word has it that your section that say's "Oxybob was here" will be auction item #183. Be on the look out since Snoopy will try to outbid you for this piece of equipment. lol.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hugenerd on October 09, 2008, 09:33:25 PM
Interview with new CalTech Coach, Oliver Eslinger:

http://interviewbasketball.com/2008/10/09/oliver-eslinger/
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 10, 2008, 12:46:13 AM
I can't think of any school in D3 where it is more appropriate for the basketball team's head coach to have a doctorate in counseling psychology. ;)

Good luck to Dr. Eslinger, and I hope that none of the Nobel laureates with whom he's been having breakfast have sprung the word "sisyphean" upon him. :D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on October 11, 2008, 11:21:22 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on October 10, 2008, 12:46:13 AM
Good luck to Dr. Eslinger, and I hope that none of the Nobel laureates with whom he's been having breakfast have sprung the word "sisyphean" upon him. :D
Avoid lunch with the geology and physics department.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hugenerd on October 11, 2008, 04:19:18 PM
Coach Eslinger names his staff:

http://gocaltech.com/sports/mbkb/2008-09/news/08_assistant_coaches
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on October 18, 2008, 04:02:41 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on October 11, 2008, 04:19:18 PM
Coach Eslinger names his staff:

http://gocaltech.com/sports/mbkb/2008-09/news/08_assistant_coaches

That's really impressive. Big Congrats to the Beaves and Coach E. At least this time around the Beaves are committed in providing their team with an entire staff. It used to be sad when seeing Coach Dow and his other peer show up during the Oxy classic (in the winter of 04'), while other teams had up to 4 or 5 staff members.   

By the way, the new floor at Rush Gym feels great. A bit slippery, but thats because its still fairly new. Awesome job by the crew that finished this project just in the nic of time for the lady Tiger VB season.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on October 18, 2008, 04:24:20 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on October 17, 2008, 03:36:55 PM
In his next game against USC Freiburg, Whitman had 22 pts, 7 assists, 3 steals and 3 rebs. Herzoege won 100-78.
I always like it when USC loses, even if it a prepreseason game. ;)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on October 23, 2008, 02:26:19 PM
From the Oxy website re Connor Whitman's play in Germany:

From Oxy to the Pros: Whitman Making a Name in Germany

Wolfenbüttel GERMANY (Oct. 17, 2008) – For four years Connor Whitman played basketball in Rush Gymnasium as part of a program that won back-to-back SCIAC Championships and earned three consecutive trips to the NCAA tournament. During that time he grew both physically and mentally and developed into one of the most well-rounded players that has graced the court at Occidental College. His senior year he was recognized as the 2007-08 West Region Player of the Year, SCIAC Player of the Year and d3basketball.com All-American. Since his graduation in May he has elevated his game to yet another level as he is currently a member of the Wolfenbüttel Dukes, a professional team in Germany, following in the footsteps of 14 Tigers who have gone on to play overseas.

With an eight-tier system of professional basketball in Germany, Whitman landed on the Dukes, a member of the third level (Pro B) located in the Northern middle part of the country. The league is comprised of 16 teams with athletes coming together from all areas of the world.

As one of two Americans on the 10-man squad there have been plenty of challenges for Whitman early in his professional career. The culture and language are obviously different despite the game being the same.

One of the biggest differences that Whitman and fellow American, and roommate, Solomon Sherad, a 29-year old from New Jersey, have faced is the every-day life.

When Whitman decided to embark on this journey he expected to be able to enjoy some of his favorite things, but has found that life in Germany is quite different than it is in the US.

"I thought that there would be similar foods in the grocery stores and I would at least be able to catch some NBA or NFL games on television, but about the only thing similar in the grocery stores here are Pringles and there are no American sports televised."

They have quickly learned that soccer is about the only thing on TV and while the food is not what they are accustomed to, they have found some new favorite meals already.

Whitman and Sherad share a flat with the only other English speaking team-member, B.J. Anthony who hails from New Zealand. The language at home is not n issue, but once the Dukes hit the court, it is a challenge for Whitman.

"The hardest thing for me is trying to organize and set up an offense with a group of guys who I just met and mainly speak English as a second language," Whitman shared. "Although it is difficult at times it seems as if I have been successful so far."

The beginning of the seven-month season, which will allow the Dukes to travel all around Germany, has started well for Whitman and the Dukes. With the team notching three wins in their first three regular season games, things look bright. Even more impressive is Whitman's 23.5 points per game which currently ranks him fifth among all players.

Although the players are generally taller than anyone Whitman played against regularly during his collegiate career, he still has his speed.

"I am quicker than most of the players we face, but usually there is an American guard on the opposing team who challenges me."

One advantage that Whitman has early on is that the opposition doesn't know who he is, at least not yet.

"I am able to get more shots off, especially early in games, because I am not being hugged like I was when I played at Occidental."

As the season progresses teams will learn who Whitman is and what he can do, but for now, unlike in the SCIAC where teams scout each other, in Germany the teams just play.

The best statistical performance of Whitman's career came during a pre-season game against the BC Energie Zwickau in the championship game of the Sandersdorf BSW SIXERS Tournament. He used an 11-for-14 three-point shooting performance to post 46 points in the Dukes' 92-89 victory.

Since arriving in mid-August, Whitman has adapted to the environment quickly. Although initially he was slightly uneasy about his move to the international basketball scene, all that anxiety flew out the window as Whitman has started hot.

"I was nervous that as I came out here I might not fit in or be ready to play at this level, but luckily Oxy prepared me very well and taught me enough skills to play the one or the two position."

Another major difference that Whitman has faced is his role on the team. He came into and left college as a shooting threat, but has quickly transitioned into a dangerous point guard for the Dukes.

"At Oxy, I was never an every day point guard, but luckily the coaching staff there demanded that all guards practice and work on ball handling skills, so I have adjusted well in that area."

The people in Germany love basketball and while they are very friendly, they will get on you if you are not playing well.

"Americans out here are expected to lead their team and have big impacts in each and every game. I have already seen some Americans go home because they were not ready for that task."

Whitman credits his achievements and ability to adapt to the differences he faces to the Occidental coaching staff that he worked with throughout college.

"I owe a great deal of my success so far to the environment at Occidental and the way the coaches ran the program, which prepared me to handle difficulties both on and off the court."

The opportunities that Whitman has been presented and the success he has already achieved are not something he will soon forget.

"So far my experience in Germany has been extremely gratifying. It has definitely made all the hard work and sweat that I put in throughout the years entirely worth it. Not only in terms of basketball either, because this has also been an amazing educational experience that I am sure I will remember forever."
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hugenerd on October 23, 2008, 10:29:56 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on October 23, 2008, 10:26:07 PM
Ex-Cal Lutheran head coach Mike Dunlap has taken over for Lute Olson at Arizona, according to this item in the Los Angeles Times:

QuoteLute Olson is out; Mike Dunlap now running the 'Cats

It's official. Lute Olson is out as Arizona's basketball coach. The leaves Mike Dunlap, a former assistant at Loyola Marymount and USC, as the coach running the show for now.

Dunlap's name has often surfaced in connection to college jobs. He was mentioned as a candidate for the posts at Stanford, California and, several times, Loyola Marymount, his alma mater.

Dunlap's first head coaching job was at Cal Lutheran in Thousand Oaks, where he led the Kingsmen to three Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Assn. titles in five years.

After that, he spent three seasons coaching the Adelaide 36ers, a professional team in Australia. Then it was on to Metro State in Denver, where he spent nine seasons and his teams won two NCAA Division II national championships.

He joined Arizona's staff this season as associate head coach, after serving as an assistant with the Denver Nuggets the last two seasons.

Whether he will stick in Tucson remains to be seen. Arizona Athletic Director Jim Livengood is promising a national search for a permanent replacment.

OxyBob

Yeah, it was announced on ESPN also.  Dunlap will be the interim head coach but Arizona is conducted a nationwide search for a permanent head time coach, so it isnt clear how long he will remain the head coach. Since practices have already started, he may get a shot to coach through this season and show what he can do.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hugenerd on October 24, 2008, 09:58:32 PM
So Dunlap apparently rejected the head coaching offer from Arizona but will stay on the staff in a non-head coaching role.  That sounds kind of weird.  Any thoughts OxyBob?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hugenerd on October 27, 2008, 10:22:14 AM
Maybe he will be the Dick Cheney of Arizona basketball.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TearDrop on October 27, 2008, 11:20:29 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on October 27, 2008, 03:15:02 AM
Quote from: hugenerd on October 24, 2008, 09:58:32 PM
So Dunlap apparently rejected the head coaching offer from Arizona but will stay on the staff in a non-head coaching role.  That sounds kind of weird.  Any thoughts OxyBob?

I have no idea why Dunlap wouldn't want to be head coach of one of the premier D-I programs. The Arizona Daily Star wondered the same thing:

I would guess the fact that they will make it a national search at the end of the year and maybe they wont be very good this season had something to do with him turning down the offer. If there is not much opportunity for success then it could be a very wise decision.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hugenerd on October 27, 2008, 11:47:29 AM
Quote from: TearDrop on October 27, 2008, 11:20:29 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on October 27, 2008, 03:15:02 AM
Quote from: hugenerd on October 24, 2008, 09:58:32 PM
So Dunlap apparently rejected the head coaching offer from Arizona but will stay on the staff in a non-head coaching role.  That sounds kind of weird.  Any thoughts OxyBob?

I have no idea why Dunlap wouldn't want to be head coach of one of the premier D-I programs. The Arizona Daily Star wondered the same thing:

I would guess the fact that they will make it a national search at the end of the year and maybe they wont be very good this season had something to do with him turning down the offer. If there is not much opportunity for success then it could be a very wise decision.

I dont buy that explanation.

If he did succeed he could get a high profile coaching job at Arizona or elsewhere.  Andy Kennedy was in a similar position in Cincinnati when Huggins was fired and, although they didnt make the tourney and the school wanted to get rid of him because he was one of Huggins' former assistants, he did a very good job given the situation and was hired as the head coach at Ole Miss the following off season (where he has done pretty well, 45-24 in 2 seasons). 

You dont get many chances at a top tier job like that.  You can ask Matt Doherty, Tommy Amaker, etc. (Guys who had premier DI jobs and are now in at less profile schools).  Dunlap may have to work his way through some mid-majors etc. now to prove himself before getting a chance at a job like that.  He may never get a chance like this again and, in any other position he interviews for, he will always have to explain why he turned down the Arizona job.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TearDrop on October 27, 2008, 11:52:13 AM
Quote from: hugenerd on October 27, 2008, 11:47:29 AM
Quote from: TearDrop on October 27, 2008, 11:20:29 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on October 27, 2008, 03:15:02 AM
Quote from: hugenerd on October 24, 2008, 09:58:32 PM
So Dunlap apparently rejected the head coaching offer from Arizona but will stay on the staff in a non-head coaching role.  That sounds kind of weird.  Any thoughts OxyBob?

I have no idea why Dunlap wouldn't want to be head coach of one of the premier D-I programs. The Arizona Daily Star wondered the same thing:

I would guess the fact that they will make it a national search at the end of the year and maybe they wont be very good this season had something to do with him turning down the offer. If there is not much opportunity for success then it could be a very wise decision.

I dont buy that explanation.

If he did succeed he could get a high profile coaching job at Arizona or elsewhere.  Andy Kennedy was in a similar position in Cincinnati when Huggins was fired and, although they didnt make the tourney and the school wanted to get rid of him because he was one of Huggins' former assistants, he did a very good job given the situation and was hired as the head coach at Ole Miss the following off season (where he has done pretty well, 45-24 in 2 seasons). 

You dont get many chances at a top tier job like that.  You can ask Matt Doherty, Tommy Amaker, etc. (Guys who had premier DI jobs and are now in at less profile schools).  Dunlap may have to work his way through some mid-majors etc. now to prove himself before getting a chance at a job like that.  He may never get a chance like this again and, in any other position he interviews for, he will always have to explain why he turned down the Arizona job.

Which I am sure he has his reasons and will be able to explain them just fine. I agree that it is a little odd that he would pass on a job like Arizona but that just leads me to believe that there has to be a good reason. Dunlaps resume is not a bad one at all. He has a couple DII national titles under his belt plus was an assistant with the Nuggets.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: April on October 31, 2008, 02:02:51 AM
It's almost basketball season! I'm looking forward to checking out Oxy's new gym. Though knowing me, I will miss the old one... especially how much fun it was to retrieve all my stuff from under the bleachers after every game. :D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Howlinwolf on November 02, 2008, 04:11:25 PM
First sighting of Oxy hoops: Exhibition vs. DII Cal State/Dominguez Hillls

The Tigers' inaugural event at the freshly renovated Rush Gym had some positive moments, even though Oxy fell to the longer, stronger Toros by 64-45.

Returning fans will barely recognize the Tiger squad, which graduated seven seniors and is missing four other potential returning players due to a variety of reasons (study abroad, wish to focus more thoroughly on academics, etc.). Coach Newhall faces the challenge of a rebuilding year.

The game was far closer than the final score indicates. After an atrocious start, the Tigers climbed their way back and narrowed the lead to single digits by half time. They had possession of the ball with a three-point deficit in the second half but didn't convert. Cal State subsequently wore down the depleted Tiger squad (seven players logged most all of the minutes) and turned what was a competitive game in ther second stanza into a rout.

Oxy played good, aggressive, fundamental defense, limiting their opponents to sub 40% shooting. But Oxy will have trouble scoring points this year, having lost the Whitman scoring machine and most of their top five scorers.

Look for the Tigers to improve over the course of the year with the addition of some football double-athletes at mid-year and getting a few of their injured players back on the hardwood.

BTW, Rush is a far more pleasant enivironment to watch a game after this summer's extensive and much-needed renovations. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on November 10, 2008, 10:08:33 AM
In case you missed it, the LA Times this morning ran a piece on whether or not our next President ever played SCIAC ball (http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-crowe10-2008nov10,0,3950360.column).  Am I crazy, or could someone just ask him? :D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hugenerd on November 10, 2008, 10:33:40 AM
Quote from: scandihoovian on November 10, 2008, 10:08:33 AM
In case you missed it, the LA Times this morning ran a piece on whether or not our next President ever played SCIAC ball (http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-crowe10-2008nov10,0,3950360.column).  Am I crazy, or could someone just ask him? :D

That story is pretty pointless. Every person says something different.  One guy says he wore high socks, another says he wore no sucks.  None of the players remember him playing, but the coach does.  There are no records of him playing, but the coach somehow remembers his stats from 30 years ago.  Either way, a couple things look pretty clear, he definitely didnt play varsity at Oxy, and I think he made the right career moving by going into politics.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on November 10, 2008, 06:20:55 PM
Quote from: Howlinwolf on November 02, 2008, 04:11:25 PM
Returning fans will barely recognize the Tiger squad, which graduated seven seniors and is missing four other potential returning players due to a variety of reasons (study abroad, wish to focus more thoroughly on academics, etc.). Coach Newhall faces the challenge of a rebuilding year.

I had the opportunity to speak with CLU coach Rich Rider. His roster has also undergone some drastic changes from last season. Starting guards Deshion Inniss and Chad Acerboni graduated. Non-returning players include super sub guard Lucas Gums, power forward Mychal Owens, and mountainous Danny Hagen. Losing Owens is huge; he averaged 11.2 pts and 6.3 rebs per game. Andy Meier and Kyle Knudsen will now lead the way for the Kingsmen.

Pomona's roster looks like it thinned out as well. Only 10 players are listed on the Sagehens roster, 5 of them freshmen. Jabarri Reynolds graduated, and Pomona has some other players taking a year abroad, including Justin Sexton, who averaged 11.8 pts and 8.0 rebs per game.

Claremont's roster lists a couple of transfers. Patrick Lacey is a 6'6", 230 lb. center from the University of San Diego. According to the USD web site:

Quote2007-08 at USD: Enters his sophomore season with USD as a walk-on... Will compete for playing time at the forward position.

2006-07 at USD: Appeared in just 6 games in a reserve role... Scored a late basket in home win over Pepperdine (Jan. 12, 2007).

Lacey's name doesn't appear on the Toreros' final stats from last season.

Claremont also has a guard named Bryant Oberg listed as a transfer from UC Berkeley, but I can't tell if Oberg attended Cal or played at Cal.

Whittier lost Vernon Covington to graduation, but they still have Mike Archuletta, Travis Crow, Marcus Gibson and Jeff McLean. The Poets are always real tough at home. If they ever figure out how to win a road game, look out.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on November 12, 2008, 12:00:15 PM
Item from the "Cal Lutheran notebook" column in the Ventura County Star:

QuoteShort shots: The Cal Lutheran men's basketball team opens its exhibition season on the road Friday night at 7:05 p.m. against Cal State Northridge. The Kingsmen return home Saturday night to host the Afghanistan national team at 7:30 p.m. at the Gilbert Sports and Fitness Center.

CSUN beat La Verne 82-49 at the Matadome on Nov. 3. The Leopards led once early in the game but were otherwise overmatched by the Matadors, who outrebounded ULV 57-23. Coach Rich Reed played 20 guys, so everyone got some experience playing against a Big West team.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerOldSchool on November 12, 2008, 09:17:55 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on November 10, 2008, 10:33:40 AM
Quote from: scandihoovian on November 10, 2008, 10:08:33 AM
In case you missed it, the LA Times this morning ran a piece on whether or not our next President ever played SCIAC ball (http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-crowe10-2008nov10,0,3950360.column).  Am I crazy, or could someone just ask him? :D

That story is pretty pointless. Every person says something different.  One guy says he wore high socks, another says he wore no sucks.  None of the players remember him playing, but the coach does.  There are no records of him playing, but the coach somehow remembers his stats from 30 years ago.  Either way, a couple things look pretty clear, he definitely didnt play varsity at Oxy, and I think he made the right career moving by going into politics.

Come on... Zinn is senile and making stuff up.  Obama probably played IBA against many of those guys if he was good enough to get invited and certainly IM's for his dorm.  That's probably where the memories come from.  If he was in the locker room and on the Bengal Bus with them they'd know for sure and attest to it.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on November 13, 2008, 03:29:00 PM
The folks who played pick-up ball in Rush remember Obama from that . . . I haven't heard anyone discuss him playing for the team. Newhall would know and I think he was pretty clear in the LA Times piece.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on November 13, 2008, 04:30:09 PM
Recap of UC Riverside's Tuesday night exhibition win over Redlands, from the UCR web site:

QuoteHighlanders End Preseason With 80-50 Win Over Redlands

Sean Cunningham's 14 points led six Highlanders in double-figures as UCR ended its preseason with an 80-50 win over the University of Redlands Tuesday evening at the UCR Student Recreation Center. Bryson Hampton chipped in with a 12-point, 10-rebound double-double and Javon Borum paced the Highlanders with six assists on the night.

The biggest key for UCR in the win was the team's ability to control the paint. The Highlanders outscored the Bulldogs in the lane by a 52-24 margin and grabbed 22 offensive rebounds to Redlands' nine. UCR turned that rebound advantage into a 22-12 differential in second chance points. Hampton had six of the Highlanders' offensive rebounds on the night while Jesse LoBue added five

The game was tight for the first 12 minutes of play as a pair of free throws by Kent Ervin gave the Bulldogs a 21-20 lead with 8:57 to go before the half. However, UCR went on a 14-2 run led by Christian Soto's eight points to push the Highlanders lead to 11. An Ervin three-pointer cut the lead to eight with 1:07 left in the first, but Borum countered with a three of his own to send UC Riverside into the locker room with an 11-point advantage.

Redlands cut the lead to five on two occasions early in the second and remained within striking distance for most of the period reducing the Highlanders lead to 43-37 with 8:38 to play, but UCR scored 24 of the next 26 points over the next 6:12 to put the game out of reach. UC Riverside forced a number of Bulldogs turnovers during the run that propelled them to a 31-13 differential in points off of turnovers.

Quote from: TigerOldSchool on November 12, 2008, 09:17:55 PM
Obama probably played IBA against many of those guys if he was good enough to get invited and certainly IM's for his dorm.  That's probably where the memories come from.

To hear it from the right-wingers, there's no way Obama could have played varsity ball because Obama can only go to the left.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 14, 2008, 12:14:19 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on November 13, 2008, 04:30:09 PM
To hear it from the right-wingers, there's no way Obama could have played varsity ball because Obama can only go to the left.

On the other hand, they'd say that he would've made a good PG for the Oxy varsity because he's a good redistributor. ;)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on November 16, 2008, 10:44:22 AM
Caltech opened its season last night under new head coach Oliver Eslinger, who replaced Row Dow, now the women's coach at Cal Lutheran. Unfortunately the result was all too familiar for the Beavers, who lost to La Sierra 79-64.

CIT's best chances for a nonconference win appear to be November 26 against Oberlin, November 29 against UC Santa Cruz, and January 5 against Polytechnic. The 24th anniversary of Caltech's last SCIAC win is coming up next January.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on November 16, 2008, 04:40:51 PM
Cal State Northridge 73, Cal Lutheran 62

Cal Lutheran held its own against Big West Conference favorite Cal State Northridge this past Friday. Josh Jenkins scored 16 and Rob Haynes had 12 to lead the Matadors. CLU led 32-31 at halftime. CSUN was up 41-39 in the second half and then outscored CLU 18-6 run to take a 59-45 lead with 8 minutes left. Aaron Fisher and Kyle Knudsen scored 16 points apiece for the Kingsmen. Fisher also had 10 rebounds. CLU was outrebounded 47-39 and was only 19-of-34 FTs.

Cal Lutheran played an exhibition game against the Afghanistan National Team last night. Here's an article about it from the Ventura County Star:

Basketball players hope to show different side of Afghanistan (http://www.venturacountystar.com/news/2008/nov/16/basketball-players-hope-to-show-different-side)

OxyBob


Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hugenerd on November 17, 2008, 02:37:15 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on November 16, 2008, 10:44:22 AM
Caltech opened its season last night under new head coach Oliver Eslinger, who replaced Row Dow, now the women's coach at Cal Lutheran. Unfortunately the result was all too familiar for the Beavers, who lost to La Sierra 79-64.

CIT's best chances for a nonconference win appear to be November 26 against Oberlin, November 29 against UC Santa Cruz, and January 5 against Polytechnic. The 24th anniversary of Caltech's last SCIAC win is coming up next January.

OxyBob


It wasnt as bad as recent years though.  The final margin, 15 points, was far less than the 42 point loss last year to La Sierra (83-41) and the 46 point loss 2 years ago (78-32).  When you are trying to turn a program around that has been that bad for so long, you have to look for glimmers of hope wherever you can.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on November 18, 2008, 12:25:39 AM
Chapman 61 @ Claremont 56 Final

Chapman: Aguilar 12, Ramme 13, Consani 10
Claremont: Faught 12, Toney 11, Blees 9

Halftime: CMS 32-29

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Former Player/ Former Coach on November 18, 2008, 01:49:47 PM
OxyBob,
        did you get the stats from the web or were you at the game???????
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on November 18, 2008, 01:57:12 PM
Quote from: Former Player/ Former Coach on November 18, 2008, 01:49:47 PM
did you get the stats from the web or were you at the game?

I did not go to the game. I got the stats from the box score, which you can see here (http://www.cmsathletics.org/sports/winter/mbkb/2008-09/stats/CU-CMS.HTM).

That's a great way for Chapman to open its season. It's never easy getting a road win in the Temple of Doom.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerOldSchool on November 18, 2008, 03:14:26 PM
Does LaVerne still have the Nipple Dome?
aka Circus tents.  That was a freaky place to play.
It's been 20+ yrs since I've been there.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on November 18, 2008, 03:23:26 PM
Quote from: TigerOldSchool on November 18, 2008, 03:14:26 PM
Does LaVerne still have the Nipple Dome? aka Circus tents. 

Yep, the Leopards still play in the Super Tents.

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ulv.edu%2Fathletics%2Fimg%2Fhomefield%2F4.jpg&hash=32cc3aaf8acc42c222c17f537f344e3de2a6ec14)

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 19, 2008, 01:58:46 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on November 18, 2008, 03:23:26 PM
Quote from: TigerOldSchool on November 18, 2008, 03:14:26 PM
Does LaVerne still have the Nipple Dome? aka Circus tents. 

Yep, the Leopards still play in the Super Tents.

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ulv.edu%2Fathletics%2Fimg%2Fhomefield%2F4.jpg&hash=32cc3aaf8acc42c222c17f537f344e3de2a6ec14)

OxyBob

AKA Bettie Page Arena. :D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on November 19, 2008, 08:20:23 AM
La Sierra 51 @ Oxy 54 Final

LSU: Joshua Crouch 10, Daniel Noga 12, DePaul Williams
Oxy: Henry Meier 13 pts and 10 rebs, Sean Anderson 22

Halftime: Oxy 26-25

Close game with 11 lead changes. LSU led by 7 with 10 minutes to go but Oxy tied it at 3:15, and won it down the stretch at the FT line. Records: LSU 1-1, Oxy 1-0.

Oxy is home Saturday night against No. 5 St. Thomas, which also plays at Pomona on Friday night. Great opportunity for SCIAC fans to see one of the top D-III teams.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on November 19, 2008, 04:58:59 PM
From the Oxy website:

http://www.oxyathletics.com/sports/mbkb/2008-09/news/111808mbb_LSU
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jquentint on November 19, 2008, 05:20:36 PM
Oxy is not playing St John's on Saturday but the University of St Thomas.  I am  looking forward to getting out of the cold of Minnesota and excited to get to watch some D III basketball in the LA area. It should be fun!!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on November 19, 2008, 05:24:07 PM
Quote from: Sabretooth Tiger on November 19, 2008, 04:58:59 PM
From the Oxy website

QuoteThe Tigers (1-0) will be back in action on Saturday, Nov. 22 at 7:00 p.m. when they host #5 ranked St. John's (MN).

Quote from: OxyBob on November 19, 2008, 08:20:23 AM
Oxy is home Saturday night against No. 5 St. Thomas, which also plays at Pomona on Friday night. Great opportunity for SCIAC fans to see one of the top D-III teams.

Some of us had it right.

Oxy plays St. John's @ Caltech on Nov. 29.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on November 20, 2008, 07:56:37 AM
Last night's scores:

Concordia (Irvine) 93, Pomona 48
P-P:  David Liss 14, Evan Zahniser 13
CUI:  T. Gottstein 14, B. Smith 11, K. Costain 14, C. Glidden 13, C. Minardo 14
Halftime: Concordia 48-20
Rebounds: Concordia 45-34
Records: Pomona 0-1, Concordia 2-1

La Verne 91, La Sierra 76
Records: ULV 1-2, LSU 1-2

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on November 20, 2008, 01:17:25 PM
Wow, Bball season is offically under way. Speaking of, congrats to Oxy on their close win to the Golden Eagles on tuesday. Although, the Tigers are not favored to repeat as SCIAC champs, I hope that Sean Anderson and every upperclass men find a way to get their young team motivated for this upcoming season.

Bob, who do you think might take the SCIAC crown. In a surprising move, I say Oxy keeps the crown this year ;)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on November 20, 2008, 01:26:01 PM
Quote from: Browneagle64 on November 20, 2008, 01:17:25 PM
who do you think might take the SCIAC crown.

Early indicators seem to be pointing in Claremont's direction. The Stags have several transfers, including Jason Toney from Irvine Valley College. IVC said this about Toney:

QuoteBasketball player Jason Toney commits to Claremont McKenna

Irvine Valley College men's basketball coach Jerry Hernandez announced that sophomore shooting guard Jason Toney has been accepted and will play at Claremont McKenna College in the fall.

"Claremont is a perfect fit for Jason," IVC Coach Jerry Hernandez said. "I know he will thrive there."

Toney was a two-year starter for the Lasers. He helped the 2007-08 team to the best season in program history. IVC finished with an overall record to 27-5. The team was second in the Orange Empire Conference and reached the regional finals of the Southern California Playoffs.

Toney averaged 7.0 points, 1.7 rebounds and 2.1 assists per game on the season. He was also given the award for being the team's top defender at the end of the season as well as being named the team's most academic player.

"Jason was such an unselfish player for us," Hernandez said. "He took on more of a defensive roll for us this year because we had so many scorers and he had no problem doing it. He was all about the team and what was best for the team."

Toney was named most improved and most academic after his freshman campaign. As a freshman, he averaged 8.3 points and 1.9 rebounds per game and shot an impressive 86.2 percent from the free throw line.

The former El Dorado High standout will play for a Claremont McKenna-Mudd Scripps College team (the two schools combine for athletics teams)

The team, which competes in NCAA Division IIII, finished with a record of 15-12 last season. The Stags lost in the final of the Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference (SCIAC) Tournament.

Toney had 11 in Claremont's opening season 61-56 loss to Chapman.

I say keep an eye on Whittier.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on November 20, 2008, 03:55:46 PM
The Poets did look good last year when they made a visit to Rush. CMS does sound like a logical choice
However, with the return of Selway and his teammates, the Pups actually look like a pretty solid 08-09 2nd place finishing SCIAC team.

My SCIAC prediction
1. Oxy
2. Univeristy of Pups/Or CMS
3. Cal Lu
4. La Verne
5. The Hens
6. The beaves
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on November 20, 2008, 04:00:22 PM
Is this the 1st time that Cal Tech is hosting a Thanksgiving Holiday Classic? After all my years living in Pasadena, I've never heard Cal Tech hosting such Classic during Thanksgiving, yet, always doing or conducting a winter tourney.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on November 20, 2008, 04:43:54 PM
Quote from: Browneagle64 on November 20, 2008, 03:55:46 PM
However, with the return of Selway and his teammates, the Pups actually look like a pretty solid 08-09 2nd place finishing SCIAC team.

So far Redlands has lost exhibition games to the Afghanistan National Team, 83-80, and UC Riverside, 80-50, and lost two games in the Kean University Classic to NYU, 69-60, and D-II Clarion University (PA), 66-65. The Bulldogs are home against Carthage on Nov. 22 and La Sierra on Nov. 25. UR's annual Lee Fulmer Tournament is Dec. 4-6.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Former Player/ Former Coach on November 21, 2008, 12:48:32 AM
I don't think this is the first year for cal tech. I seem to remember them doing a thanksgiving and a holiday for a year or two a few years ago. I was like Dow's 2nd or 3rd year.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CalCat on November 21, 2008, 09:12:04 PM
Quote from: Browneagle64 on November 20, 2008, 03:55:46 PM
The Poets did look good last year when they made a visit to Rush. CMS does sound like a logical choice
However, with the return of Selway and his teammates, the Pups actually look like a pretty solid 08-09 2nd place finishing SCIAC team.

My SCIAC prediction
1. Oxy
2. Univeristy of Pups/Or CMS
3. Cal Lu
4. La Verne
5. The Hens
6. The beaves

Browneagle where do the Poets fit ?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Howlinwolf on November 22, 2008, 04:02:56 PM
The Tommies, ranked #5, upend the Sagehens last night in Claremont, 82-65. Pomona trailed by only 4 at the half, but St. Thomas wore down their hosts. Adam Chaimowitz had a career night, leading all scorers with 24 points, hitting 6 of his shots from three-point land. He added 8 rebounds.

Oxy hosts St. Thomas tonight in the freshly renovated Rush Gym at 7:00 pm.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cawcdad on November 22, 2008, 06:33:13 PM
Quote from: Browneagle64 on November 20, 2008, 04:00:22 PM
Is this the 1st time that Cal Tech is hosting a Thanksgiving Holiday Classic? After all my years living in Pasadena, I've never heard Cal Tech hosting such Classic during Thanksgiving, yet, always doing or conducting a winter tourney.
Cal Tech hosted last year. I photographed all three games on Friday. My tentative plans are to shoot the first 2 games this Friday at Oxy. How is the lighting in Rush?
Family commitments keep me from shooting all three. Any folks from the boards going to be there? Browneagle?  OxyBob?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Howlinwolf on November 23, 2008, 04:12:00 PM
The Tommies predictably handled the Tigers, 61-47. They were in command all game but couldn't quite extend their lead in the second half. Outmanned Oxy played tenaciously on the defensive end, but they didn't have the offensive horsepower to close the gap. Kudos to senior Henry Meier for his board work and overall grit. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on November 24, 2008, 12:11:59 PM
Quote from: Howlinwolf on November 23, 2008, 04:12:00 PM
The Tommies predictably handled the Tigers, 61-47. They were in command all game but couldn't quite extend their lead in the second half.

Oxy was only 5-for-18 (27.8%) from the floor in the first half and only scored 14 points. UST shot the same percentage but took twice as many shots (10-for-36). Sean Anderson had 12 pts and 6 rebs, and Henry Meier had 13 pts and 9 rebs. No one else had more than 5 pts. The Bengal Buses will be busy this week. Oxy plays tonight at West Coast Baptist in Lancaster and tomorrow night at UC Riverside.

Quote from: OxyBob on November 20, 2008, 01:26:01 PM
I say keep an eye on Whittier.

Nice call there, Bob. Whittier opened its season at home yesterday and lost 75-71 to Pacific Union, which was 1-15 last season and opened this season 0-4 (not counting an exhibition loss to Portland Bible College).

Friday's scores:

Chapman beat La Verne 63-47. Central clobbered Caltech 96-45. ULV is 1-3, Chapman is 2-0, and CIT is 0-2.

Saturday's scores:

Carthage beat Redlands 72-60. Carthage is at Cal Lutheran tonight. CLU had no trouble with La Sierra, 76-52. Claremont squeaked past UC Santa Cruz 69-68. Redlands is 0-3, CLU is 1-0 and CMS is 1-1.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cawcdad on November 25, 2008, 09:35:25 AM
Plans are set. I will definitely be at Occidental the day after Thanksgiving to photograph the Whitworth vs. Cal Tech game at 2:30 and Chapman vs. St. John's at 4:30. Any other folks from the boards going to be there?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on November 25, 2008, 10:33:13 AM
Glad to see Cal Lu take care of Carthage last night.  Sounds like an exciting game (http://www.clusports.com/news/5117/).  Now here's hoping for the Red Men to have a good season in CCIW, that will help make the tournament time discussion that much more lively.  :)

Carthage looks like a bit of a one man gang, as 38  of their points (incl. 21/24 from the line) came from Steve Djurickovic (coach's son/nephew?).  He scored a bunch at Redlands on Saturday as well.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on November 25, 2008, 11:28:59 AM
Cal Lutheran 84, Carthage 78

Got a chance to see CLU play Carthage last night. The Kingsmen played well. They led by 11 at the half and built up a 17-point lead in the second half. Carthage chipped away and got it under 10 late in the game but CLU had it in the bag all the way. Andy Meier was all over the place. He had 25 pts, 13 rebs and a couple of blocks. Kyle Knudsen also played a great game. He scored 25 on 8-for-11 and hit 4 3-balls. Gregg Grimm had 16. CLU played 4 freshman: Xavier Walton, who started, Aaron Van Klaveren, Eric Strangis and John Wilson. Van Klaveren scored 7 and had 5 rebs; he's a huge wide body forward in the Zach Miller mold who looks like he'll be a nice replacement for Mychal Owens. Only sour note was Aaron Fisher, who hurt his knee and was limping noticeably. Hope he's OK.

For Carthage, Steve Djurickovic had 38 on 8-for-17 and 21-for-24 FTs. Max Cary had 10.

Also, it's always fun to be in Gilbert Arena and get a chance to listen to CLU's PA announcer, Chick Hearn, Jr., who gives not only the basics like lineups, substitutions, baskets and fouls, but also provides in-game commentary, for example, "Nice drive to the basket by No. 33 ANDY MEIER!" or "Strong rebound by No. 33 ANDY MEIER!" or "Ball stolen away by No. 33 ANDY MEIER!" Chick gives fans other pertinent information such as who is inbounding the ball and also informs everyone when a player who just missed a free throw actually just missed a free throw. Highly amusing.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on November 25, 2008, 12:47:10 PM
Oxy 76, West Coast Baptist 61

Oxy: Meier 22 pts, 12 rebs, Ostrow 20, Washington 10
WCB: Galdamez 20, Thomas 14, Vara 10

Halftime: Oxy 37-29
Rebounds: Oxy 55-34

Freshman Jordan Washington wasted no time trading in his football cleats for sneakers.

Note to scandihoovian: How does Kyle Knudsen pronounce his name? Is it Nood-sen or Kuh-nood-sen? Chicky Babe announced it both ways last night.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on November 25, 2008, 01:23:05 PM
Thanks for the game update, Bob.  I wanted to try and catch the second half, but, in an unprecedented move, the Soccer Gods figured out how to interfere with basketball season.  Instead of making it over to Gilbert, I was eating pizza (for the 57th time in the last 2 weeks) at a soccer team party.

I always thought it was Kuh-nood-sen, but maybe that's just because it seems like a more fun PA name that way, especially if you hit the K hard and then drag out the nooooooooooooooood-sen.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 26, 2008, 12:54:03 AM
Quote from: scandihoovian on November 25, 2008, 10:33:13 AMCarthage looks like a bit of a one man gang, as 38  of their points (incl. 21/24 from the line) came from Steve Djurickovic (coach's son/nephew?).  He scored a bunch at Redlands on Saturday as well.

Son. He was a fourth-team All-American last season as a freshman.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on November 26, 2008, 11:24:21 AM
Last night's scores:

UC Riverside 62, Oxy 34

Oxy: Henry Meier 12 pts, 7 rebs, David Ostrow 8
UCR: Brandon Dowdy 20, Javon Borum 12

Halftime: UCR 33-14
Rebounds: UCR 38-22
Records: Oxy 2-2, UCR 3-1

Redlands 87, La Sierra 68

UR: Travis Miller 11 pts and 10 rebs, Bryan Schwartz 17, Matt Dietrich 15, Patrick Coffey 11
LSU: Daniel Noga 17, Joshua Crouch 16

Halftime: Redlands 44-41
Rebounds: Redlands 39-27
Records: Redlands 1-3, La Sierra 1-4

Biola 54, Whittier 46

WC: Marcus Gibson 11
BU: Danny Campbell 13, Marlon King 13, Josh Miller 7 pts and 11 rebs

Halftime: Biola 27-20
Records: Whittier 0-2, Biola 3-0

Azusa Pacific 79, La Verne 70

ULV: Tyler Hoyt 16, Kyle Luhnow 10 pts and 9 rebs
APU: Dave Burgess 19 pts and 11 rebs, Brayden Bell 15 pts and 8 rebs, Dominique Johnson 12, Marshall Johnson 10

Halftime: APU 36-32
Rebounds: APU 52-29
Records: ULV 1-4, APU 5-2

Tonight: Oberlin 1-1 @ Caltech 0-2 6:00 p.m.

Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 26, 2008, 12:54:03 AM
Quote from: scandihoovian on November 25, 2008, 10:33:13 AMCarthage looks like a bit of a one man gang, as 38  of their points (incl. 21/24 from the line) came from Steve Djurickovic (coach's son/nephew?).
Son. He was a fourth-team All-American last season as a freshman.

It was a very nondescript 38. Good free throw shooter, though.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Fear the Poet on November 26, 2008, 12:26:03 PM
I was at the Poet game last night. The size of Biola caused a problem for the Poets.

I thought the team looked pretty good however. I'm not realy up on  the level of the rest of the teams in the conference, so I'll leave the predictions up to OB.

Seems to me that the Poets should be a tough game for anyone in the SCIAC.

I love Arculetta..that young man is a pain in the ass for opposing teams. If he wasn't a Poet, I'd hate him. :)  I think I counted about 25 fouls that should have been called against him.

GO POETS!!

ps- do we play Principia in Basketball?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on November 26, 2008, 04:37:24 PM
Quote from: Fear the Poet on November 26, 2008, 12:26:03 PM
I was at the Poet game last night. The size of Biola caused a problem for the Poets.

SCIAC teams usually struggle against GSAC schools, which is traditionally tough from top to bottom, save for maybe Hope International and Vanguard. Whittier hung in there nicely with Biola.

Quote from: Fear the Poet on November 26, 2008, 12:26:03 PM
Seems to me that the Poets should be a tough game for anyone in the SCIAC.

I like the way Whittier plays. They're hard-nosed and scrappy. They are real tough at home, but it's hard to take them seriously as a SCIAC contender until they win some road games, which they've been unable to do.

Quote
I love Arculetta..that young man is a pain in the ass for opposing teams.

I agree. Mike Archuletta can be real annoying for opponents. Good player.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Fear the Poet on November 26, 2008, 05:23:04 PM
OB,

The Poets did not seem overmatched at all against Biola. Looked like an even matchup for most of the game.

I'm going to make the effort to watch alot of games this year. This level of basketball is really fun to watch. Fast paced ball movement and physical inside play.

To be honest, its more fun to watch than the NBA.

whats this weeks schedule ol' wise one?

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on November 26, 2008, 05:36:41 PM
Quote from: Fear the Poet on November 26, 2008, 05:23:04 PM
OB,

The Poets did not seem overmatched at all against Biola. Looked like an even matchup for most of the game.

I'm going to make the effort to watch alot of games this year. This level of basketball is really fun to watch. Fast paced ball movement and physical inside play.

To be honest, its more fun to watch than the NBA.

whats this weeks schedule ol' wise one?


I'm not the wise one, but here it is.

http://www.thesciac.org/sports/mbkb/2008-09/schedule
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on November 26, 2008, 05:46:40 PM
This weekend's local games:

Nov. 28

Whitworth vs. Caltech @ Oxy 2:30 p.m.
St. John's vs. Chapman @ Oxy 4:30 p.m.
UC Santa Cruz @ Oxy 6:30 p.m.
Oberlin vs. Pomona @ Claremont 5:00 p.m.
Willamette @ Claremont 7:30 p.m.

Nov. 29

Whitworth vs. Chapman @ Caltech 12:00 p.m.          
Oxy vs. St. John's @ Caltech 2:00 p.m.    
UC Santa Cruz @ Caltech 4:00 p.m.
Oberlin vs. Claremont @ Pomona 5:00 p.m.
Willamette @ Pomona 7:30 p.m.

Cal Lutheran and Whittier will be playing in the Surf's Up Classic Tournament in Honolulu. Redlands and La Verne are not scheduled.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on November 27, 2008, 01:09:03 AM
Oberlin 76, Caltech 58

CIT: Matt Dellatorre 21, Travis Haussler 22, Ryan Elmquist 6 pts and 11 rebs
Oberlin: Jordan Beard 22, Mike Loll 21 and 7 rebs

Halftime: Oberlin 35-19
Rebounds: Oberlin 39-27
Records: Caltech 0-3, Oberlin 2-1

Two 10-0 runs by the Yeomen in the first half did in the Beavers.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on November 28, 2008, 07:33:25 PM
Whitworth 88, Caltech 38

CIT: Travis Haussler 11 pts and 7 rebs, Ryan Elmquist 12
Whitworth: Fekix Friedt 18 pts and 16 rebs, Tim Sellereit 17, Jordan Call 11, Troy Kalbhenn 11, Steve Stockton 10, Mike Odland 10

Halftime: Whitworth 44-17
Rebounds: 46-14 (*Zero* offensive rebounds for Caltech)
Records: Caltech 0-4, Whitworth 3-0

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jack Parkman on November 28, 2008, 08:51:14 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on November 28, 2008, 07:33:25 PM
Whitworth 88, Caltech 38

CIT: Travis Haussler 11 pts and 7 rebs, Ryan Elmquist 12
Whitworth: Fekix Friedt 18 pts and 16 rebs, Tim Sellereit 17, Jordan Call 11, Troy Kalbhenn 11, Steve Stockton 10, Mike Odland 10

Halftime: Whitworth 44-17
Rebounds: 46-14 (*Zero* offensive rebounds for Caltech)
Records: Caltech 0-4, Whitworth 3-0

OxyBob

OB-  What do you think about teams scheduling Cal Tech on their holiday trips?  Seems like a little bit of a waste if you ask me.  Maybe they don't have a choice or maybe they do it since it's a west region game ???

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Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LogShow on November 28, 2008, 10:51:15 PM
The D3hoops front page has Oxy down at the half to UCSC...is that correct?  ???
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on November 29, 2008, 12:37:03 AM
Quote from: LogShow on November 28, 2008, 10:51:15 PM
The D3hoops front page has Oxy down at the half to UCSC...is that correct?  ???
It must be.  Santa Cruz won 62-55.  I'm sure OxyBob will fill us in.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on November 29, 2008, 01:09:07 AM
Quote from: Gray Fox on November 29, 2008, 12:37:03 AM
Quote from: LogShow on November 28, 2008, 10:51:15 PM
The D3hoops front page has Oxy down at the half to UCSC...is that correct?
It must be.  Santa Cruz won 62-55.  I'm sure OxyBob will fill us in.

Eyewitness report from Eagle Rock:

UC Santa Cruz 62, Oxy 55

Oxy: Henry Meier 14 pts, 10 rebs and 4 assists, David Ostrow 9 pts and 5 assists, Sean Anderson 9
UCSC: Ryan Matsuoka 22, Eshon Mortezaie 12

Halftime: UCSC 36-29
Rebounds: UCSC 35-34
Records: Oxy 2-3, UCSC 1-6

Oxy led 28-25 with 5:30 to go in the first half, but Santa Cruz finished on an 11-1 run and led by 7 at the half. In the second half the Tigers led 39-38 with 15:10 to go, but Ryan Matsuoka's 3-ball gave the Banana Slugs a 51-44 lead and they hung on for the victory. One bright spot for Oxy was Clark Gordon, who came off the bench with great enthusiasm and energy and scored 8, grabbed 6 rebounds, and had an assist and a block.

The scene shifts from Oxy to Caltech tomorrow. At 2:00 p.m. Oxy plays St. John's, which lost 52-45 to Chapman, while UCSC takes on Caltech at 4:00 p.m. Best game of the day pits Whitworth (3-0) against Chapman (3-0) at noon.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LogShow on November 29, 2008, 02:27:27 AM
OxyBob,

I must say I am pretty surprised.  Is UCSC vastly improved this year?  From the looks of the other scores the NWC struggled a bit tonight against the SCIAC.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on November 29, 2008, 11:33:44 PM
Quote from: LogShow on November 29, 2008, 02:27:27 AM
I must say I am pretty surprised.  Is UCSC vastly improved this year?  From the looks of the other scores the NWC struggled a bit tonight against the SCIAC.

St. John's 75, Oxy 61

Oxy: Henry Meier 22 pts and 12 rebs, David Ostrow 14
SJU: Chris Schwartz 25 (7-for-13 3s), Andrew Latzke 14, Andy Burns 12, Aaron Burtzel 8 pts and 11 rebs

Halftime: SJU 40-26
Rebounds: SJU 32-27
Records: Oxy 2-4, SJU 2-4

St. John's led from start to finish.

LogShow, I don't want to take anything away from Santa Cruz, which defeated Oxy and has now won 2 in a row after defeating Caltech 61-46. Oxy lost 7 players to graduation, and 4 players expected to come back didn't for one reason or another, so the Tigers have started all over with a lot of inexperienced players. Oxy is playing hard but finding it difficult to sustain any kind of offense. They're hoping to add some players, but for now it's going to be a struggle.

The Whitworthpirates beat Chapman 62-47. Whitworth is 4-0, Chapman is 3-1.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on December 01, 2008, 11:47:24 AM
Scores from Thanksgiving weekend:

Nov. 28

Cal Lutheran 76, George Fox 70

CLU: Andy Meier 26 pts and 9 rebs, Aaron Van Klaveren 15 pts and 9 rebs, Greg Grimm 13 pts and 5 assists, Kyle Knudsen 10
GFU: Jack Martin 19, Alex Stockner 14, Travis Toedtemeier 14, Evan Atwater 13

Halftime: CLU 43-36
Rebounds 42-27
Records: Cal Lutheran 3-0, George Fox 0-3

The game was tied 51-51, but CLU got the lead and never relinquished it.

Pacific 86, Whittier 73

WC: Marcus Gibson 15, Mike Archuletta 13, Travis Crow 13, DaMon Perry 11
PU: Garold Howe 23 pts and 7 rebs, Ross Bartlett 20 pts and 5 rebs, Carson Bartlett 14

Halftime: Whittier 45-35
Rebounds: Pacific 42-40
Records: Whittier 0-3, Pacific 2-2

Whittier led by 10 at halftime, but Pacific tied it at 54 with 13 minutes to go, and then went on a 9-0 run and were never headed.

Pomona 69, Oberlin 56

Pomona: David Liss 17pts and 5 assists, Adam Chaimowitz 16, Shawn Stephan 13 pts and 7 rebs, Jeremy Namkung 12
Oberlin: Mike Loll 20, Jordan Beard 16

Halftime: Pomona 32-14
Rebounds: Pomona 32-26
Records: Pomona 1-2, Oberlin 2-2

Oberlin shot a dismal 20% in the first half.

Claremont 71, Willamette 69

CMS: Austin Soldner 18, Jason Toney 12, Conner Faught 10
WU: Cameron Mitchell 11 pts and 11 rebs, Kyler McClary 14, Robbie Kunke 10, Josh Erickson 10

Halftime: CMS 34-32
Rebounds: WU 36-27
Records: CMS 2-1, Willamette 0-3

Nov. 29

Pacific 78, Cal Lutheran 65

CLU: Kyle Knudsen 15, Marquis Johnson 13 pts and 6 rebs, Aaron Van Klaveren 10, Greg Grimm, Andy Meier 9 pts and 12 rebs
PU: Garold Howe 18 pts and 6 rebs, Ross Bartlett 11 pts and 6 rebs, Micah Mooney 13, Jonathan Jury 10

Halftime: Pacific 36-22
Rebounds: CLU 45-38
Records: CLU 3-1, Pacific 3-2

Pacific led all the way. Cal Lutheran shot only 21% in the first half. Pacific had a 24-point second half lead before CLU made it respectable.

George Fox 87, Whittier 77

WU: Mike Archuletta 21 pts and 7 rebs, Marcus Gibson 20, DaMon Perry 18 pts and 7 rebs
GFU: Jack Martin 37 pts, 6 rebs and 5 assists, Evan Atwater 12

Halftime: GFU 46-40
Rebounds: GFU 42-33
Records: Whittier 0-4, George Fox 1-4

Claremont 67, Oberlin 60

CMS: Chris Blees 12, Jason Toney 11, Patrick Lacey 11, Conner Faught 10
Oberlin: Jordan Beard 20, Mike Loll 10, Ryan Magiera 10

Halftime: 30-30
Rebounds: CMS 26-22
Records: Claremont 3-1, Oberlin 2-3

Willamette 80, Pomona 72

Pomona: Adam Chaimowitz 14 pts and 6 rebs, Greg Wright 14 pts and 8 rebs, Shawn Stephan 13, Jeremy Namkung 8 pts, 5 rebs and 6 assists
WU: Cameron Mitchell 35 pts (13-for-17) and 12 rebs, Kyler McClary 13 pts and 8 rebs, Nick Babij 12

Halftime: WU 44-37
Rebounds: WU 31-29
Records: Pomona 1-3, Willamette 2-2

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on December 03, 2008, 02:42:26 AM
The Master's College 88, Pomona 56

Pomona: Adam Chaimowitz 17 pts and 7 rebs, Shawn Stephan 14 pts and 8 rebs
MC: Drew Menez 22, Ryan Zamroz 17, Thomas Millar 12, Joey Fuca 12, Jeremy Haggerty 11 and 10 rebs

Halftime: MC 50-41
Rebounds: MC 43-33
Records: Pomona 1-4, Master's 6-2

Pomona took one on the chin against a strong Master's College team. The Eagles led 62-52 with 14 minutes left, blew the game open with a 10-0 run, and it got worse from there. Pomona was only 4-for-25 (16%) from the floor in the second half. The Sagehens are at West Coast Baptist this Friday.

Redlands hosts the 61st Annual Lee Fulmer Tournament starting on Thursday and running through Saturday. Day 1 schedule:

Cal State East Bay vs. Whitworth 2:00 p.m.
Claremont vs. Southwestern 4:00 p.m.
Chapman vs. Whitman 6:00 p.m.
Redlands vs. UC Santa Cruz 8:00 p.m.

Whitworth (4-0) is ranked No. 15 in this week's D3hoops Top 25 poll. The Pirates won the Lee Fulmer Tournament in both of its previous appearances in 2002 and 2007.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on December 05, 2008, 11:19:05 AM
Claremont 75, Southwestern 48

CMS: Conner Faught 17, Chris Blees 10, Matt Richardson 10
SC: Daniel Hann 13 pts and 12 rebs

Halftime: CMS 36-18
Rebounds: CMS 44-37
Records: Claremont 4-1, Southwestern 1-5

The Stags led all the way and routed the NCCAA-II Eagles in the first round of the Lee Fulmer Tournament at Redlands. 18 CMS players got playing time. Claremont has a sterner test today against undefeated No. 15 Whitworthpirates (5-0), which beat Cal State East Bay 85-80 in its first round game. Game time is 6:00 p.m.

UC Santa Cruz 77, Redlands 68

UR: Matt Dietrich 23 pts and 7 rebs, Bryan Schwartz 14 pts and 6 rebs, Patrick Coffey 11
UCSC: Ryan Matsuoka 22, Niel Brennan 14 pts and 9 rebs, Daniel Bryant 13, Scotty Buck 11, Eshon Mortezaie 11

Halftime: UCSC 37-36
Rebounds: UCSC 34-30
Records: Redlands 1-4, Santa Cruz 3-5

After starting the season 0-5, the Banana Slugs won their third straight game against the SCIAC. UCSC was 3-23 last year. Today Redlands plays Chapman (3-2); the Panthers lost to Whitman 80-71. The Bulldogs will try not to end up in the consolation game of their own tournament. Game time is 4:00.

Whittier 89, La Sierra 73

WC: Marcus Gibson 23, Mike Archuletta 18 pts and 7 rebs, DaMon Perry 13 pts and 10 rebs
LSU: Daniel Noga 25, Joshua Crouch 16
Rebounds: WC 49-34
Records: Whittier 1-4, La Sierra 1-6

The Poets got their first win of the season against the Golden Eagles, who fell to 1-5 against the SCIAC, which I guess makes up for being 0-3 against Santa Cruz. This Saturday Whittier is home to West Coast Baptist, while La Sierra is at La Verne. Speaking of West Coast Baptist, Pomona plays there tonight at 7:30 p.m.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: April on December 05, 2008, 06:58:10 PM
Hi OxyBob. :)

I don't have anything substantive to say... I just wanted to post so to decrease the impression that you are talking to yourself. ;)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on December 06, 2008, 02:30:42 PM
Quote from: April on December 05, 2008, 06:58:10 PM
Hi OxyBob. I don't have anything substantive to say... I just wanted to post so to decrease the impression that you are talking to yourself.

I'll tell OxyBob you said hello.

Claremont 73, No. 15 Whitworth 68

CMS: Chris Blees 16, Michael Bagby 16, Conner Faught 13, Tejas Gala 10
WU: David Riley 22, Bo Gregg 14, Ross Nakamura 12

Halftime: CMS 36-26
Rebounds: CMS 30-24
Records: Claremont 5-1, Whitworth 5-1

Claremont handed Whitworth its first loss of the season. The Stags outscored the Pirates 15-6 in the last 8 minutes of the first half and led by 10 at the break. Whitworth came back and took the lead on David Riley's 3-ball with 4:50 to go, but Chris Blees' 3-point play after a Riley foul put CMS ahead for good at 3:00. Claremont plays Whitman, which beat UC Santa Cruz 100-87, tonight at 8:00 p.m. for the championship of the Lee Fulmer Tournament. In other games, Whitworth plays UCSC in the third-place game at 6:00 p.m.; Chapman, which beat Redlands 72-57, plays Cal State East Bay in the 5th place game at 4:00 p.m.; and Redlands plays Southwestern in the consolation game at 2:00 p.m. Redlands only trailed Chapman 49-45 with 10:30 to go, but the Panthers put together a 15-0 run over the next 5 minutes and that was that. Redlands is 1-5; Chapman is 4-2.

Pomona beat West Coast Baptist 68-39. The Sagehens are home on Monday night to Biola.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on December 06, 2008, 06:20:56 PM
Quote from: April on December 05, 2008, 06:58:10 PM
Hi OxyBob. :)

I just wanted to post so to decrease the impression that you are talking to yourself. ;)
Bob may talk to himself, but he has mastered the art by talking to one poster with three personalities. :P
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on December 07, 2008, 03:30:35 PM
Claremont 79, Whitman 78

CMS: Chris Blees 35 pts, 9 rebs, 5 assists, Conner Faught 11 pts, 4 assists
WC: Chris Faidley 29, Brandon Shaw 23

Halftime: CMS 41-30
Rebounds: CMS 35-31
Records: Claremont 6-1, Whitman 3-4

Claremont edged Whitman to win the Lee Fulmer Tournament at Redlands. The Stags led by 22, 58-36, with 13 minutes to go, but the Missionaries went on a 13-0 run and only trailed 58-49 with 8:50 left. Whitman kept pecking away and got it down to 1 at 74-73 with 52 seconds remaining, but Claremont hit 4 straight free throws to get some breathing room. WC's Jordan Wheeler hit a 3-ball with 2 seconds left for the final score. Chris Blees had 35 points on 15-for-18 and was named the tournament MVP. The all-tournament team was Chapman's Justin Riley, Whitworth's Calvin Jurich, UCSC's Ryan Matsuoka, Whitman's Chris Faidley and CMS's Tejas Gala.

Redlands (2-5) beat Southwestern 79-70 in the consolation game.

In other games, Whittier (2-4) beat West Coast Baptist 72-55, and La Verne (2-4) beat La Sierra 91-67.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on December 09, 2008, 10:37:54 AM
Biola 67, Pomona 56

Pomona: Jeremy Namkung 17, Adam Chaimowitz 13, David Liss 13
Biola: Rocky Hampton 17 pts, 13 rebs, 3 blocks, Josh Miller 16, Elliot Tan 10

Halftime: Biola 39-26
Rebounds: Biola 38-28
Records: Pomona 2-5, Biola 5-1

Pomona took on Biola from the always strong Golden State Athletic Conference, which boasts 3 teams in the top 15 of the latest NAIA rankings. Biola led 16-11, went on a 13-0 run to lead 29-11, and never looked back. Pomona didn't get closer than 10 the rest of the way. Ever-reliable Jeremy Namkung played a strong game for Pomona with 17 points, 5 rebounds, 4 assists, and a steal. The Sagehens face another GSAC team, Hope International, at home this Saturday.

Redlands (2-5) is home to West Coast Baptist tonight.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on December 09, 2008, 04:03:36 PM
Redlands basketball stinks like usual. I thought Coach Ducey could get it turned around much quicker in his second year but I guess the rebuilding process continues.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on December 09, 2008, 05:29:55 PM
Quote from: RFB on December 09, 2008, 04:03:36 PM
Redlands basketball stinks like usual. I thought Coach Ducey could get it turned around much quicker in his second year but I guess the rebuilding process continues.

UR is off to a slow start. However, the Bulldogs have lost to undefeated NYU, D-II Clarion, and solid Carthage and Chapman teams, no slouches any of them. (I cannot and will not try to explain UR's loss to Santa Cruz at home.) After tonight's game against West Coast Baptist, Redlands doesn't play until December 30 when they have a rematch with Chapman in Currier, followed by a rematch at La Sierra on December 31. The Bulldogs have a tough nonconference road game at Biola on January 3 before opening the SCIAC season at home against Claremont on January 10.

Speaking of Claremont, the Stags appear in the "Others Receiving Votes" category in this week's D3hoops Top 25 (http://www.d3hoops.com/top25). Nice to see some crumbs tossed the SCIAC's way.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: nwhoops1903 on December 09, 2008, 07:10:05 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on December 09, 2008, 05:29:55 PM
Speaking of Claremont, the Stags appear in the "Others Receiving Votes" category in this week's D3hoops Top 25 (http://www.d3hoops.com/top25). Nice to see some crumbs tossed the SCIAC's way.

OxyBob
I am very surprised that they didn't get more than crumbs, but they have many close wins to schools with SOME bad losses and the loss to Chapman doesn't help.  SCIAC doesn't do a preseason coaches poll?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on December 09, 2008, 08:14:03 PM
Quote from: nwhoops1903 on December 09, 2008, 07:10:05 PM
SCIAC doesn't do a preseason coaches poll?

Not that I know of. If the SCIAC did do a preseason coaches' poll then they'd no doubt get around to publishing it after the season was over, or not reveal it at all for fear of generating fan interest.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: nwhoops1903 on December 10, 2008, 01:32:33 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on December 09, 2008, 08:14:03 PM
Quote from: nwhoops1903 on December 09, 2008, 07:10:05 PM
SCIAC doesn't do a preseason coaches poll?

Not that I know of. If the SCIAC did do a preseason coaches' poll then they'd no doubt get around to publishing it after the season was over, or not reveal it at all for fear of generating fan interest.

OxyBob
ROFL Bob.  Yea, that might be too dangerous.  Might even lead to smiling.  :o

Had there been one of this nuisance polls, would Claremont have been on top or near the top?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on December 10, 2008, 10:53:49 AM
Quote from: nwhoops1903 on December 10, 2008, 01:32:33 AM
Had there been one of this nuisance polls, would Claremont have been on top or near the top?

Claremont and Cal Lutheran are the top SCIAC teams. Right now Oxy, Pomona, Whittier, La Verne and Redlands are a muddled mass behind them, and then there's Caltech.

Last night Redlands beat West Coast Baptist 71-59. Matt Dietrich had 23 for the Bulldogs. WCB led 53-52 with 8 minutes to go, but UR quickly outscored the Eagles 11-2 in the next 1:40 and went on to victory. Redlands is 3-5; West Coast Baptist is 1-8.

No games tonight. Cal Lutheran is at La Sierra tomorrow night.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: nwhoops1903 on December 10, 2008, 07:57:38 PM
It appears as though every SCIAC team will face Chapman except Cal Lutheran.  A good measure perhaps.

Chapman has beaten both Claremont and Redlands (SCIAC) and lost to Whitworth and Whitman (NWC).  Yet Claremont beat my Whitworth Pirates and Whitman at Redlands.   Non conference games in December really help clear things up for the "Far" West power rankings!!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hoopsallthetime on December 11, 2008, 01:34:21 PM
Quote from: nwhoops1903 on December 10, 2008, 07:57:38 PM
It appears as though every SCIAC team will face Chapman except Cal Lutheran.  A good measure perhaps.

Chapman has beaten both Claremont and Redlands (SCIAC) and lost to Whitworth and Whitman (NWC).  Yet Claremont beat my Whitworth Pirates and Whitman at Redlands.   Non conference games in December really help clear things up for the "Far" West power rankings!!

Its been a while since I have been on here, so I will try not to ruffle any feathers in doing so. I want to congratulate the CMS Stags for taking home the title in the Lee Fulmer Championship by beating two good teams in Whitman and Whitworth Colleges. I also want to congratulate Whitman college for the undeniable lack of sportsmanship after their loss to the stags Saturday night. Not only does the team show no class to the stags by going into there locker room and not accepting there trophy, but also a lack of respect to Redlands University for hosting the tournament. I didn't realize there were so many sore losers up there in the Northwest. The coach from Whitman should be embarrased by his actions.
As for the loss to Chapman as the Northwest have so deligently reminded me of. It was the first game of the season for the Stags, and with over 7 new faces on the team, it was bound to be rocky. The Stags played hard but in the end, there was just too many new faces on the team to give a better product on the floor. I am looking forward to seeing how many SCIAC teams fall to this very athletic Chapman team. They had a very bad showing at the Redlands Tournament. Losing two of their best players inside to injuries didn't help them too much either.

I hope everyone has a wonderful holiday, and go get it STAGS on Saturday night.

CMS vs. La Sierra    Saturday Night at 7:00 pm
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on December 11, 2008, 02:06:08 PM
Quote from: cmsstag on December 11, 2008, 01:34:21 PM
I also want to congratulate Whitman college for the undeniable lack of sportsmanship after their loss to the stags Saturday night. Not only does the team show no class to the stags by going into there locker room and not accepting there trophy, but also a lack of respect to Redlands University for hosting the tournament. I didn't realize there were so many sore losers up there in the Northwest. The coach from Whitman should be embarrased by his actions.

There's probably only one flight per week from Ontario to Walla Walla, and Whitman had to get dressed and hustle through security so they wouldn't miss it.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on December 11, 2008, 05:33:13 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on December 11, 2008, 02:06:08 PM

There's probably only one flight per week from Ontario to Walla Walla, and Whitman had to get dressed and hustle through security so they wouldn't miss it.

OxyBob

Does it then go on to Kalamazoo?

It's a beautiful day for a ballgame!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LogShow on December 11, 2008, 09:22:46 PM
cmsstag,

Where you at the game?  Do you think there was some underlying reason for what happened?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldchap on December 12, 2008, 03:02:51 AM
Quote from: cmsstag on December 11, 2008, 01:34:21 PM
I am looking forward to seeing how many SCIAC teams fall to this very athletic Chapman team. They had a very bad showing at the Redlands Tournament. Losing two of their best players inside to injuries didn't help them too much either.


Chapman didn't have such a bad showing at the Fulmer tournament. About 15 minutes into the first half against Whitman, one of their starter, a very athletic post player, hit the floor in a collision. He was gone for several minutes: concussion and done for the tournament. A few minutes later, his sub was elbowed badly and also suffered a mild concussion and had to have stitches to repair a tear in his jaw: done for the tournament too. Probably shaken up by the whole experience and the loss of two excellent players, Chapman eventually lost to Whitman. They did bounce back by comfortably beating the University of Redlands, then winning against a very athletic CS East Bay in a nailbiter in overtime. Several freshmen had to step up and they did a fine job.

Under the circumstances, I don't call this a "bad showing".
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on December 12, 2008, 11:42:20 AM
Quote from: cmsstag on December 11, 2008, 01:34:21 PM
I am looking forward to seeing how many SCIAC teams fall to this very athletic Chapman team.

Chapman has a good team, maybe good enough to get a Pool B bid. The Panthers' problem is their schedule. Chapman only plays 6 home games all season out of a 24-game schedule. Is it that hard to get teams to travel to Orange?

Last night's score: Cal Lutheran 78, La Sierra 57. The Kingsmen (4-1) had no trouble dispatching the Golden Eagles (1-8).

Tonight's schedule: La Verne (2-4) is home to Johnson & Wales (5-6), an NAIA D-II school from Denver.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hoopsallthetime on December 12, 2008, 01:27:01 PM


Under the circumstances, I don't call this a "bad showing".
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When i was talking about there "bad showing" I wasn't talking about there play. I agree with Oxy Bob in regards to how good this team really is. The losses they took at the tournament were tough because I have seen this team play at a very high level.  They have great guard play, and there inside play is getting better. I think if they were healthy and didn't lose there starter, they would have beaten Whitman that night!

As for logshow...why don't you ask the coach about his actions.....
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on December 13, 2008, 10:51:09 AM
Quote from: oldchap on December 12, 2008, 03:02:51 AM
Chapman didn't have such a bad showing at the Fulmer tournament. About 15 minutes into the first half against Whitman, one of their starter, a very athletic post player, hit the floor in a collision. He was gone for several minutes: concussion and done for the tournament. A few minutes later, his sub was elbowed badly and also suffered a mild concussion and had to have stitches to repair a tear in his jaw: done for the tournament too.

The two injured Chapman players, Jared Kaiser and Jon Consani, will probably miss the next couple of games against Caltech and Whittier.

Last night's score:

La Verne 70, Johnson & Wales 61

ULV: Billy Nicolini 20, Danny Vasquez 11
J&W: Andrew Baker 15, Chris Brunson 12, Nick Maly 11

Halftime: ULV 26-21
Rebounds: ULV 44-30
Records: La Verne 3-4, Johnson & Wales 5-7

The game was tied 31-all with 15 minutes to go. ULV went on a 13-2 run to lead 44-33, and Johnson & Wales wasn't able to catch up.

(Aside: All humans are descendants of apes, except for the Welsh. They come from Wales.)

Tonight's games:

Chapman (5-2) @ Caltech (0-5)
Claremont (6-1) @ La Sierra (1-8)
Hope International (1-5) @ Pomona (2-5)

Caltech may get a nonconference win this season, but tonight isn't it. The Beavers best chance for victory will be on Jan. 5 when CIT faces Polytechnic (0-9) from the Skyline Conference. The last Skyline team which ventured into the Braun Center was Bard, and Caltech whipped them 81-52, CIT's first win against a D-III team in 207 tries. Claremont will roll against LSU. Pomona plays Hope International, the Sagehens' 4th GSAC foe this season. Pomona should fare much better than it did against Concordia, Biola and The Master's, which are a combined 21-5.

Upcoming games:

12/15 Whittier @ Chapman
12/17 Lawrence @ Caltech
12/17 Gwynedd-Mercy @ Whittier
12/18 Chapman @ La Verne
12/18 Oxy @ La Sierra
12/18 Gwynedd-Mercy @ Caltech
12/19 Lawrence @ Cal Lutheran

Lawrence vs. Cal Lutheran should be an excellent battle. Lawrence, from the Midwest Conference, is in the "Others Receiving Votes" category in this week's D3hoops Top 25 poll. Thankfully the MWC isn't torturing West Coast fans this season by making us watch Grinnell.

I also noticed that Carthage (4-2) also received votes in the Top 25 poll while Cal Lutheran (4-1) didn't, despite the Kingmen's win over the Red Men. I forgot that even pedestrian CCIW teams only lose out here because of the overwhelming burden of plane travel, bad refereeing, and inexperienced players, so the loss by Carthage doesn't really count. Maybe a win over Lawrence will get CLU some votes.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on December 14, 2008, 01:55:52 PM
Saturday's scores:

Chapman 74, Caltech 34
Claremont 78, La Sierra 45
Hope International 74, Pomona 68

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: April on December 14, 2008, 09:31:51 PM
I feel like Oxy's loss in Texas a few years back during the playoffs at Miss College really hurt people's view of how good the SCIAC is as a league... and unfairly too cause they were without their start big guy, Sam Betty. It's probably going to take another run like Oxy's long playoff run (now years and years ago) for people to take us seriously again.

With that said, I am planning on going to the Larry/CLU matchup this Friday. Will you be there OxyBob?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on December 15, 2008, 11:47:50 AM
Quote from: April on December 14, 2008, 09:31:51 PM
With that said, I am planning on going to the Larry/CLU matchup this Friday. Will you be there OxyBob?

I will be there sitting in my reserved seats.

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OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: April on December 15, 2008, 12:37:30 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on December 15, 2008, 11:47:50 AM
Quote from: April on December 14, 2008, 09:31:51 PM
With that said, I am planning on going to the Larry/CLU matchup this Friday. Will you be there OxyBob?

I will be there sitting in my reserved seats.

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OxyBob
Are there really reserved seats?  :o
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on December 15, 2008, 12:59:35 PM
Quote from: April on December 15, 2008, 12:37:30 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on December 15, 2008, 11:47:50 AM
Quote from: April on December 14, 2008, 09:31:51 PM
With that said, I am planning on going to the Larry/CLU matchup this Friday. Will you be there OxyBob?
I will be there sitting in my reserved seats.
Are there really reserved seats?

Yes, and for a small fee CLU AD Dan Kuntz will personally deliver a Coke and a freshly-popped bag of popcorn to you.

Tell you what, DHF, I'll save you a seat.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: April on December 15, 2008, 03:31:55 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on December 15, 2008, 12:59:35 PM
Quote from: April on December 15, 2008, 12:37:30 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on December 15, 2008, 11:47:50 AM
Quote from: April on December 14, 2008, 09:31:51 PM
With that said, I am planning on going to the Larry/CLU matchup this Friday. Will you be there OxyBob?
I will be there sitting in my reserved seats.
Are there really reserved seats?

Yes, and for a small fee CLU AD Dan Kuntz will personally deliver a Coke and a freshly-popped bag of popcorn to you.

Tell you what, DHF, I'll save you a seat.

OxyBob

Who is this DHF that you speak of?  :P :D

Seriously though, I would have gotten that joke, but the picture wasn't there for me this morning.  ???

I think Hope may have reserved seats, but I'd be surprised if any other D3 team did, so I was a bit confused on why CLU decided to be so self important.  :-[
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on December 15, 2008, 05:14:12 PM
Quote from: April on December 15, 2008, 03:31:55 PM
I think Hope may have reserved seats, but I'd be surprised if any other D3 team did, so I was a bit confused on why CLU decided to be so self important.  :-[
1/4 of Wooster's gym (~800 seats) is reserved seating.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TeeDub on December 16, 2008, 12:17:34 AM
Quote from: April on December 14, 2008, 09:31:51 PM
It's probably going to take another run like Oxy's long playoff run (now years and years ago) for people to take us seriously again.

I just think it's cool that a Wheaton girl refers to the SCIAC as 'us'.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on December 16, 2008, 11:05:23 AM
Monday's score:

Chapman 78, Whittier 70

CU: Kyle Wood 28, Griffin Ramme 22
WC: Mike Archuletta 15, Marcus Gibson 11

Halftime: Chapman 42-32
Rebounds: Whittier 34-31
Records: Whittier 2-5, Chapman 7-2

Both teams shot well. Chapman shot 62.5% in the first half, including 6-for-6 on 3-pointers, and 47.3% for the game. Whittier shot 49% FG for the game, but was only 16-for-26 FTs, which hurt. On Wednesday Whittier hosts Gwynedd-Mercy (7-1) out of the Colonial States Athletic Conference. Chapman plays at La Verne (3-4) on Thursday.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldchap on December 16, 2008, 04:50:06 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on December 16, 2008, 11:05:23 AM
Chapman 78, Whittier 70

CU: Kyle Wood 28, Griffin Ramme 22
WC: Mike Archuletta 15, Marcus Gibson 11

I was at the game. Whittier is a gritty team with very strong, athletic, aggressive and experienced post players and decent guards who can penetrate or shoot the 3. However, despite the fact that they trailed most of the game, they kept it within single digit the entire time and were still within striking distance less than a minute before the final buzzer. If it wasn't for Chapman's stellar shooting from 3-point land and the Poets marginal success at the cherry stripe, the game could have flipped the other way. The poets all but killed any attempt at any type of inside play. I predict they will have a good run in Conference play and have a good chance at a top 4 spot.

Chapman is a young team with a bright future ahead of them. They have excellent guard play and are getting stronger at the 4 and 5 position. They lack experience, understandable for a bunch of mostly sophomores and freshmen, but they make that up in athleticism, size, speed and good coaching.

I'm relatively new at this, so some of you guys, please help me out: Chapman has never made the playoffs, because as I understand, it's extremely difficult to qualify as an Independent. What are the criteria to actually make the playoffs as an Independent team and what are the odds?

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on December 16, 2008, 06:58:37 PM
Chapman is a pool b team, all independents and conference teams that do not have an automatic bid.
Competition for these slots is very tough. Chapman's schedule does not allow it to have a very high opponents winning percentage (owp) nor a very high opponents opponents winning percentage (oowp).
They have had good records the past years, but the schedule needs to be beefed up. Their 2 losses to NWC teams really hurt their chances of a pool b bid this year. Hope this helps you to understand better.

Note: click on "strength of schedule" category on the cover page of the d3 hoops section to view the
ratings for teams. Also you can click on the schedule section that shows the conferences, then look under independents and click on Chapman to view this year and prior year's records and schedules. There is also
a place to click on for their home web page.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 17, 2008, 10:00:01 AM
In addition, oldchap, I'd recommend that you follow the "Bumblin' B's" room in the Multi-Regional Topics section of Posting Up. There's several gurus of the national D3 scene (most notably Ralph Turner) who track all of the Pool B candidates on a daily basis. That room usually starts to heat up in January. It's a must-read if you follow a potential Pool B team such as Chapman.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on December 17, 2008, 02:19:38 PM
Tonight's schedule:

Lawrence (5-2) @ Caltech (0-6)
Gwynedd-Mercy (7-1) @ Whittier (2-5)

Thursday night:

Chapman (7-2) @ La Verne (3-4)
Oxy (2-4) @ La Sierra (1-9)
Gwynedd-Mercy @ Caltech

Friday night:

Lawrence @ Cal Lutheran (4-1)

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on December 18, 2008, 11:13:02 AM
Wednesday night's scores:

Lawrence 96, Caltech 55
Whittier 95, Gwynedd-Mercy 83

Tonight:

La Verne has a rematch with Chapman in the Super Tents. Chapman won on Nov. 21, 63-47. In that game ULV got down 11-2 early and wasn't able to crawl out of the hole. So far the Leopards only have 2 wins against La Sierra and one against NAIA-2 Johnson & Wales, so this is a big test for them. Chapman has won 4 straight after losing a couple of games in the Lee Fulmer Tournament.

Oxy is at La Sierra. The Tigers beat the Golden Eagles 54-51 in the season opener. Oxy has lost 3 straight and hasn't played since Nov. 29, so this will be a good chance to knock off some rust. Justin Goltz, Oxy's outstanding QB and SCIAC Player of the Year, has joined the roster. The Tigers can use his muscle up front.

Score one for the SCIAC: Gwynedd-Mercy came to California and took its 7-1 record into the GAC last night but came away with a loss to Whittier. The Griffins will no doubt get well against Caltech, which was dismantled by Lawrence. After their tune-up against Caltech, the Vikings will do some sightseeing today in advance of their battle with Cal Lutheran on Friday night.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on December 19, 2008, 12:04:26 PM
Thursday night's scores:

Oxy 67, La Sierra 56

Oxy: David Ostrow 15, Sam Kesten 12
LSU: Josh Crouch 12, Andrew Grooms 11

Halftime: Oxy 32-30
Rebounds: Oxy 35-23
Records: Oxy 3-4, La Sierra 1-10

Oxy led 54-49 with 5:05 to go and pulled away with an 8-2 run. Justin Goltz made his collegiate basketball debut as a senior, scored 6 and grabbed 7 rebounds (5 OFs). Oxy's next game is Dec. 22 at home against NAIA-2 Fisher College.

Chapman 84, La Verne 73

CU: Justin Riley 20 (9-for-11 FGs), Kyle Wood and Griffin Ramme 17 each, Dan Aguilar 12, Jared Kaiser 10
ULV: Kyle Luhnow and Billy Nicolini 16 each, Matt Heyd 12

Halftime: CU 45-34
Rebounds: ULV 36-32
Records: Chapman 8-2, La Verne 3-5

All 5 starters for Chapman were in double figures. The Panthers shot 63.6% from the field and a blistering 68% in the first half. Chapman was up 25-23 and opened it up with a 10-2 run. The Leopards didn't get closer than 6 the rest of the way. La Verne is at D-II Cal State LA this Saturday. Chapman is off until Dec. 30 when they'll be at Redlands.

Gwynedd-Mercy 93, Caltech 44

GMC: John Crabtree 12, Brandon Williams 10
CIT: Travis Haussler 16, Matt Dellatorre 10

Halftime: GMC 57-21
Rebounds: GMC 34-26
Records: Gwynedd-Mercy 8-2, Caltech 0-8

Another long night for Caltech. Gwynedd-Mercy's starters played only briefly as the Griffins' bench scored 63 points. Caltech led 2-0, but GMC outscored the Beavers 27-2 to lead 27-4, and led by 36 at the half. Caltech is off until Dec. 31 when they'll ring in the New Year with a game against No. 7 Amherst.

Tonight:

Lawrence (6-2) @ Cal Lutheran (4-1)

Lawrence has a win over No. 5 UW-Stevens Point. CLU knows that feeling; the Kingsmen beat the Pointers in overtime last New Year's Day. The Vikings tuned up for this one with a 95-55 thrashing of Caltech on Wednesday. Jon Mays came off the bench for LU and scored 22 on 11-for-11 FGs.  So far this season, Kyle Knudsen leads CLU scorers with 16.4 ppg, and Andy Meier has averaged 16.2 ppg and 10.6 rebs pg. Freshman forward Aaron Van Klaveren has played great for CLU with 11 pts and 7.2 rebs per game.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hugenerd on December 19, 2008, 10:52:24 PM
OxyBob, I know this is your domain, but if you dont mind me pointing out something:  Did anyone see the boxscore for Caltech - Lawrence from a couple of nights ago?

http://www.gocaltech.com/sports/mbkb/2008-09/stats/lu-cit.htm

I saw the most ridiculous scoring line for a single player ever.

20 Jon Mays............   11-11   0-0    0-0    1  0  1   3  22  1  0  0  1   4

Some how Jon Mays was able to go 11 for 11 from the field (scoring 22 points) and pick up 3 fouls in only 4 minutes of pt.  That is 5.5 points per minute.  He was on pace to score 220 points for the game, by himself.  That is insane.  I dont know how that is even physically possible, he only had 1 steal. His PER has to be through the roof.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 19, 2008, 11:24:47 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on December 19, 2008, 10:52:24 PM
OxyBob, I know this is your domain, but if you dont mind me pointing out something:  Did anyone see the boxscore for Caltech - Lawrence from a couple of nights ago?

http://www.gocaltech.com/sports/mbkb/2008-09/stats/lu-cit.htm

I saw the most ridiculous scoring line for a single player ever.

20 Jon Mays............   11-11   0-0    0-0    1  0  1   3  22  1  0  0  1   4

Some how Jon Mays was able to go 11 for 11 for the field (scoring 22 points) and pick up 3 fouls in only 4 minutes of pt.  That is 5.5 points per minute.  He was on pace to score 220 points for the game, by himself.  That is insane.  I dont know how that is even physically possible, he only had 1 steal. His PER has to be through the roof.


That is a amazing, IF TRUE.  But (shock :o) errors on score sheets are not unknown.

Not sure that even Vinnie (The Microwave) Johnson ever scored 22 points in 4 minutes. :P
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on December 20, 2008, 02:38:25 AM
Quote from: hugenerd on December 19, 2008, 10:52:24 PM
Some how Jon Mays was able to go 11 for 11 for the field (scoring 22 points) and pick up 3 fouls in only 4 minutes of pt.  That is 5.5 points per minute. 

I wasn't at the game, and I have to admit that I didn't notice that he was credited with 22 points in only 4 minutes of playing time. Hard to believe that he made 11 baskets in 4 minutes. I'll see if I can find out what really happened.

Meanwhile...

Eyewitness report from Thousand Oaks:

Cal Lutheran 85, Lawrence 65

CLU: Andy Meier 28 pts (10-for-14 FGs, 8-for-10 FTs) and 12 rebs, Aaron Fisher 13 pts and 8 rebs, Greg Grimm 13, Kyle Knudsen 12, Aaron Van Klaveren 8 pts and 11 rebs
LU: Ryan Kroeger 23, John Dekker 10

Halftime: LU 37-32
Rebounds: CLU 40-27
Records: Cal Lutheran 5-1, Lawrence 6-3

In the first half, the game was tied 29-all at 4:05. Lawrence scored the next 8 to lead 37-29, but CLU got a FT by Andy Meier and a buzzer-beating layup by Greg Grimm and trailed 37-32 at halftime.

The Kingsmen scored the first 14 points of the second half, during which Lawrence head coach Joel DePagter was T'd up for taking issue with a call. After Ryan Kroeger made a couple of FTs for Lawrence, CLU scored 7 in a row and led 53-39 at 13:20. Back came Lawrence with a 12-0 run, capped by a 5-point play: John Dekker hit a 3-ball as Eric Strangis fouled Chris Page underneath the basket. Page made both FTs, and the Vikings only trailed 53-51. That was as close as Lawrence would get. Cal Lutheran went on a 13-1 run, during which DePagter got his second T and was ejected, and CLU led 66-52. Lawrence got no closer than 12 the rest of the way.

Andy Meier played another outstanding all-around game with 28 points and 12 rebounds. Aaron Van Klaveren is a beast. Aaron Fisher showed no ill effects from his knee injury sustained against Carthage. Nice win for the Kingsmen. Maybe they'll get a few votes in this week's Top 25, though I won't hold my breath.

Cal Lutheran is home to NAIA-2 Fisher College at 2:00 p.m. on Sunday.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on December 20, 2008, 12:51:36 PM
Tonight's games:

La Verne (3-5) @ Cal State LA (3-4)
Claremont (7-1) @ Concordia (8-1)

The Leopards are up against D-II CSULA, while the Stags have a real tough assignment in Irvine against Concordia, which is ranked No. 4 in the latest NAIA Division I Top 25 Poll.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on December 20, 2008, 03:44:13 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on December 20, 2008, 02:38:25 AM
The Kingsmen scored the first 14 points of the second half, during which Lawrence head coach Joel DePagter was T'd up for taking issue with a call. After Ryan Kroeger made a couple of FTs for Lawrence, CLU scored 7 in a row and led 53-39 at 13:20. Back came Lawrence with a 12-0 run, capped by a 5-point play: John Dekker hit a 3-ball as Eric Strangis fouled Chris Page underneath the basket. Page made both FTs, and the Vikings only trailed 53-51. That was as close as Lawrence would get. Cal Lutheran went on a 13-1 run, during which DePagter got his second T and was ejected, and CLU led 66-52. Lawrence got no closer than 12 the rest of the way.

Andy Meier played another outstanding all-around game with 28 points and 12 rebounds. Aaron Van Klaveren is a beast. Aaron Fisher showed no ill effects from his knee injury sustained against Carthage. Nice win for the Kingsmen. Maybe they'll get a few votes in this week's Top 25, though I won't hold my breath.

The Kingsmen played well last night, but like Bob, I am skeptical about their chances of earning top 25 votes.  After all, why should we expect a team that's loaded with Juniors and Seniors, and coming off a 22-3 season, to beat a lowly SCIAC team that returns only three players (Meier, Knudsen, & Fisher) who played significant minutes last year.  ;)

After all, Lawrence surely took an airplane to get out here, and by the time the second half started it was 10:15 PM in Wisconsin.  That's awfully late to be playing basketball... :D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on December 20, 2008, 03:56:45 PM
Quote from: scandihoovian on December 20, 2008, 03:44:13 PM
After all, Lawrence surely took an airplane to get out here, and by the time the second half started it was 10:15 PM in Wisconsin.  That's awfully late to be playing basketball...

Not to mention that the Vikings were probably still all worn out from playing Caltech two nights earlier.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on December 20, 2008, 06:09:45 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on December 18, 2008, 11:13:02 AM
Justin Goltz, Oxy's outstanding QB and SCIAC Player of the Year, has joined the roster. The Tigers can use his muscle up front.
OxyBob
I hope this doesn't hurt his chance at an Arena Football League career. :D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hugenerd on December 20, 2008, 08:23:06 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on December 19, 2008, 10:52:24 PM
OxyBob, I know this is your domain, but if you dont mind me pointing out something:  Did anyone see the boxscore for Caltech - Lawrence from a couple of nights ago?

http://www.gocaltech.com/sports/mbkb/2008-09/stats/lu-cit.htm

I saw the most ridiculous scoring line for a single player ever.

20 Jon Mays............   11-11   0-0    0-0    1  0  1   3  22  1  0  0  1   4

Some how Jon Mays was able to go 11 for 11 from the field (scoring 22 points) and pick up 3 fouls in only 4 minutes of pt.  That is 5.5 points per minute.  He was on pace to score 220 points for the game, by himself.  That is insane.  I dont know how that is even physically possible, he only had 1 steal. His PER has to be through the roof.


From what I hear the boxscores from the last few games have been incorrect.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on December 21, 2008, 11:49:14 AM
Last night's scores:

Concordia 95, Claremont 74

CMS: Austin Soldner and Jason Toney 20 pts each, Chris Blees 12
CUI: Cameron Gliddon 20, Phil Friesen 13, Eric Beal 12, Chris Minardo 11

Halftime: CUI 42-25
Rebounds: CUI 35-23
Records: Claremont 7-2, Concordia 9-1

Concordia, ranked No. 4 in NAIA-1, was too much for the Stags. After Jason Toney's layup brought CMS within 2 at 20-18, CUI went on a 16-1 run and led 36-19. The Eagles blew the game open in the first 4 minutes of the second half with a 21-8 run. For Claremont, Austin Soldner had 20 pts, 5 rebs, 4 assists and 3 steals; and Jason Toney scored 20 and had 2 assists and 6 steals. CMS is off until Dec. 30 when they host another GSAC team, Point Loma Nazarene.

Cal State LA 77, La Verne 66

ULV: Kyle Luhnow 15, Pierre Baker 14, Matt Heyd 11
CSULA: Chris Fields and Chris Mark 17 pts each, Dwayne Jones 15, Artis Gant 13

Halftime: CSULA 33-23
Rebounds: CSULA 40-29
Records: La Verne 3-6, CSULA 4-4

CSULA built a comfortable double-digit second half lead and beat La Verne. For the Leopards, Kyle Luhnow had 15 pts, 7 rebs, 5 assists and 3 steals. La Verne will host Tufts on Jan. 2 and UC Santa Cruz on Jan. 3 in the SCIAC Classic Tournament, which also features Cal Lutheran.

Speaking of Cal Lutheran, the Kingsmen are at home this afternoon at 2:00 p.m. against NAIA-2 Fisher College, which also plays at Oxy tomorrow at 3:00 p.m.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on December 21, 2008, 07:51:13 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on December 21, 2008, 11:49:14 AM
Speaking of Cal Lutheran, the Kingsmen are at home this afternoon at 2:00 p.m. against NAIA-2 Fisher College, which also plays at Oxy tomorrow at 3:00 p.m.

Cal Lutheran 63, Fisher 54

CLU: Andy Meier 20 pts and 15 rebs, Kyle Knudsen 20
FC: Brandon Hamilton 12 pts and 10 rebs, Louis Williams 13

Halftime: Tied 35-35
Rebounds: FC 41-37
Records: Cal Lutheran 6-1, Fisher 6-8

Fisher led 44-42 with 12 minutes left, but the Kingsmen outscored the Falcons 18-4 and went on to notch their 6th win.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on December 23, 2008, 01:53:25 AM
Oxy 73  Fisher 70

Eyewitness report from Eagle Rock.  There is a good write up on the Oxy site, so I will just make a couple of comments.

Oxy is not near the team I saw in Mississippi two years ago.

How does a game get scheduled for 3pm on a Monday before Christmas?  But it allowed me to work it in around Christmas shopping.

Oxy lost their glue when Meier fouled out with five and a half minutes to go.  His fourth foul was quiet and the fifth was a surprise right after that.   Nobody seemed to know.  A couple of minutes later a Fisher player got his fifth and they had to interrupt a freethrow to take him out.

The technical on Fisher at 70 all was a backbreaker.  Oxy got three points from the freethrows and held on.

Goltz was a big help, but it is obvious he has spent his off seasons throwing footballs through swinging tires rather than shooting standing still foul shots.

There were only about fifty fans out in the rain.  Half of the SCIAC teams and Chapman had scouts there.

I looked for OxyBob and didn't see him in his reserved seat.  When I yelled out his name, I was met by a chorus of boos. ;)

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on December 23, 2008, 09:30:06 AM
Quote from: Gray Fox on December 23, 2008, 01:53:25 AM
I looked for OxyBob and didn't see him in his reserved seat.  When I yelled out his name, I was met by a chorus of boos.

You'd think the Oxy head coach and AD would be a bit more discreet in public.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Howlinwolf on December 23, 2008, 02:42:30 PM
OB was there. He was doing his best Johnny Cash impression and wasn't visible against the backdrop of the new, black bleachers.

Speaking of new, there are a few fresh faces/contributors to the Oxy line-up compared to just a month ago. Goltz may lack a feather-like touch from the foul line but he's an inside force. Strong on the boards. Sam Kesten can drain the three. And another football expatriate, Jordan Washington, is a speedy addition to the backcourt.

The loss of seven seniors, including SCIAC Player of the Year,  and a few would-be returners translate to a rebuilding year in Eagle Rock. Rebasso, Betty, Whitman -- there are no longer any go-to forces in the current iteration of this squad, as has been custom. 

I encourage you to take in some SCIAC out-of-conference tussles over the next few weeks.  January 2 is a highlight - see how the SCIAC fares against NESCAC competition as P-P squares off against  # 7 Amherst and the Jumbos of Tufts tangle with the Leopards of LaVerne.  And Oxy tests its mettle against another MA standout, UMass/Dartmouth, which is ranked at #23. 

Have a happy hoops holiday!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on December 23, 2008, 03:28:50 PM
The latest D3hoops Top 25 Poll is out for the week ending Dec. 21. Last week in the "Others Receiving Votes" category, Claremont had 38 points but lost the other night to Concordia, a top-notch NAIA-1 school, so the Stags dropped to only 10. Also this week Lawrence received 6 votes and Carthage received 3. Cal Lutheran, which is 6-1 and handily defeated both Lawrence and Carthage, doesn't appear in the poll.

What a joke.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 23, 2008, 03:58:11 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 23, 2008, 03:55:59 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on December 23, 2008, 03:32:54 PM
Lawrence received 6 points in the new poll and Carthage received 3. Cal Lutheran, which is 6-1 and handily defeated both Lawrence and Carthage, doesn't appear in the poll.

What a joke.

OxyBob

I'm not going to lose sleep over Cal Lutheran if the SCIAC voter wasn't even impressed enough to include them.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: April on December 23, 2008, 04:40:57 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 23, 2008, 03:55:59 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on December 23, 2008, 03:32:54 PM
Lawrence received 6 points in the new poll and Carthage received 3. Cal Lutheran, which is 6-1 and handily defeated both Lawrence and Carthage, doesn't appear in the poll.

What a joke.

OxyBob

I'm not going to lose sleep over Cal Lutheran if the SCIAC voter wasn't even impressed enough to include them.
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I posted my thoughts on this on the Top 25 board.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: NWCer on December 23, 2008, 07:07:36 PM
Those who know Cal Lu, how good are they?  They seem solid, and my Boxers handled them over in Hawaii, just trying to gage Pacific.

Thanks.

Happy Holidays!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on December 23, 2008, 07:41:26 PM
Quote from: NWCer on December 23, 2008, 07:07:36 PM
Those who know Cal Lu, how good are they?  They seem solid, and my Boxers handled them over in Hawaii, just trying to gage Pacific.

I saw CLU play against Carthage and Lawrence, and the Kingsmen beat both of them handily. I thought Cal Lutheran was the better team in both games. However, you do have to keep in mind that a win by a SCIAC team against a CCIW team like Carthage must be given very little weight because if a CCIW team lost on the West Coast then it was because it was a road game, and not only a mere road game, but one where the CCIW team had to fly on an airplane to get there. You also have to factor in that the CCIW players were inexperienced, distracted and excited from sightseeing, tired from traveling, hometowned by the refs, and generally discombobulated.

I am not sure if MWC Lawrence made any excuses for losing to CLU.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 23, 2008, 11:31:20 PM
That whine is getting a little old, O-Bob. May I ask how many more times you plan to keep repeating it?

Yeah, we get it. You think that the SCIAC gets no respect, and that the snowbird teams (or perhaps it's just the CCIW snowbird teams) look down their noses at the SCIAC and make excuses when they lose to SCIAC teams. Fine. Everyone's entitled to his opinion. Yet Pat's question still goes unanswered by you or anyone else in this room: Why didn't the SCIAC-based Top 25 pollster see fit to include Cal Lutheran on his ballot?

I raise this question as someone who is completely agnostic on the issue of whether or not Cal Lutheran deserves Top 25 mention. I've seen Carthage play, and in my opinion the Red Men, although fairly decent, are not Top 25 timber. Then again, it's not as though they're getting a lot of love from the pollsters -- three poll points could come down to a single, solitary outlier pollster who likes the Red Men for 23rd place. Who knows ... he could be a Hope or Calvin affiliate. ;) And it's not as though Lawrence (six points) is meeting with widespread acclaim among the pollsters, either. Moreover, the bottom line is that it's a December poll, only the fourth of the season, in fact; the information on each D3 team is still fairly limited, and there's a lot of bleed from preseason expectations, last year's performances, brand-name effects, etc., evident in the current poll snapshot. I don't see a lot of reasons to take poll results at this time of the season all that seriously.

It's a big fuss about very little, as far as I'm concerned.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on December 24, 2008, 12:34:41 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 23, 2008, 11:31:20 PM
Yet Pat's question still goes unanswered by you or anyone else in this room: Why didn't the SCIAC-based Top 25 pollster see fit to include Cal Lutheran on his ballot?

I won't engage in that kind of sophistry. How the heck should I know why someone whose identity I don't know voted or didn't vote a certain way? Ask them.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 24, 2008, 12:01:25 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on December 24, 2008, 12:34:41 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 23, 2008, 11:31:20 PM
Yet Pat's question still goes unanswered by you or anyone else in this room: Why didn't the SCIAC-based Top 25 pollster see fit to include Cal Lutheran on his ballot?

I won't engage in that kind of sophistry. How the heck should I know why someone whose identity I don't know voted or didn't vote a certain way? Ask them.

Pat's question was rhetorical. Of course you (and the rest of the SCIAC regulars) don't know the pollster's identity, because he has never revealed himself. The point of the question is that there is a much better target for your ire than your CCIW-fan strawman.

In the light of your griping, that rhetorical question is a valid one. Why? Because the SCIAC pollster is almost certainly the only person who is in a position to make a decision about Cal Lutheran's worthiness based upon firsthand observation. The only CCIW supporter who has a Top 25 ballot is Bob Quillman, and as he explained in the Top 25 room he didn't put Cal Lutheran, Carthage, or Lawrence on his Week Four ballot.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldchap on December 24, 2008, 01:21:59 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 23, 2008, 11:31:20 PM
You think that the SCIAC gets no respect...

Well, if you think the SCIAC gets no respect, think about the independents. Chapman beat CMS this season, they are 8-2 and yet are nowhere to be found in the polls. They never made it to the playoffs because it is biased towards the Conferences. They would have to have a near perfect record from this point on to even have an inkling of a chance at a playoff spot. I apologize for sounding like a whiner, and I promise I won't do that again. However, I needed to get this off my chest.  ;D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on December 24, 2008, 02:26:39 PM
I think Chapman's situation is more to their overall strength of schedule.  And they have lost two in region games to the NWC.

Happy Holidays to all.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on December 24, 2008, 02:37:38 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 24, 2008, 12:01:25 PM
Of course you (and the rest of the SCIAC regulars) don't know the pollster's identity, because he has never revealed himself.

Exactly. I don't know if the voter is a coach, an SID, or a "media member," so I can't comment except to say that there's one SID in the SCIAC who can't count to 7.

Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 24, 2008, 12:01:25 PM
The only CCIW supporter who has a Top 25 ballot is Bob Quillman, and as he explained in the Top 25 room he didn't put Cal Lutheran, Carthage, or Lawrence on his Week Four ballot.

If Carthage had beaten CLU then it would have been hailed as a great victory over great odds.

Quote from: oldchap on December 24, 2008, 01:21:59 PM
Chapman beat CMS this season, they are 8-2 and yet are nowhere to be found in the polls. They never made it to the playoffs because it is biased towards the Conferences. They would have to have a near perfect record from this point on to even have an inkling of a chance at a playoff spot.

I agree with dahlby. Chapman has a good team, but because they're an independent and because of their strength of schedule, the Panthers have very little room for error if they want to get a Pool B bid. I guess you will have to blame Chapman's absence from the Top 25 poll on the mysterious "SCIAC pollster."

Quote from: oldchap on December 24, 2008, 01:21:59 PM
I apologize for sounding like a whiner, and I promise I won't do that again. However, I needed to get this off my chest.

Don't let a shameless CCIW homer like Sager intimidate you, and don't accept his characterizations of your posts as whining or griping. Just because you state your opinion doesn't make you a whiner or a griper, just a fan like the rest of us.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 24, 2008, 08:26:26 PM
Quote from: oldchap on December 24, 2008, 01:21:59 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 23, 2008, 11:31:20 PM
You think that the SCIAC gets no respect...

Well, if you think the SCIAC gets no respect, think about the independents. Chapman beat CMS this season, they are 8-2 and yet are nowhere to be found in the polls.

As Dahlby mentioned, Chapman is probably held back somewhat by strength-of-schedule issues. The loss to Whitman, which has a losing record, looks particularly problematic, although the wins over CMS, St. John's, and East Bay State appear to be good ones.

Quote from: oldchap on December 24, 2008, 01:21:59 PMThey never made it to the playoffs because it is biased towards the Conferences.

Actually, the opposite is true. The teams eligible for Pool B (independents and members of non-affiliated conferences) are more likely to get into the tourney with mediocre records than are the teams from affiliated conferences (Pool A). Take a look at past tournament brackets; the teams that sport 15-13 or 16-11 records and the like are quite often Pool B teams. Lots of good-but-not-great teams over the years have been able to parlay the fairly light competition for Pool B bids to their advantage. That's the reason why the Multi-Region Topics room that deals with indies and members of non-affiliated conferences has the rather pejorative name "Bumblin' B's"; the common perception is that this pool involves a lot of teams that wouldn't make it into the tourney if they were competing with affiliated-conference teams for berths, and that Pool B teams almost invariably get their clocks cleaned once the tournament starts.

Quote from: oldchap on December 24, 2008, 01:21:59 PMThey would have to have a near perfect record from this point on to even have an inkling of a chance at a playoff spot.

Not true. As I advised you last week, make it a point to follow the conversation in the "Bumblin' B's" room in order to track how Chapman lines up against the likes of Nebraska Wesleyan, Maryville (TN), St. Joe's of Brooklyn, Finlandia, Lancaster Bible, etc. You might be surprised at just how well Chapman stacks up against its Pool B peers.

Right now, Chapman has the best regional record (7-2) of any Pool B contender, as far as I can tell. In fact, there's only two other Pool B contenders that I can find that have winning regional records: Nebraska Wesleyan (4-2) and Rust (4-3). As I said, the regulars in the "Bumblin' B's" room (Ralph Turner, etc.) do a very good job of tracking this stuff as the season goes along.

Quote from: OxyBob on December 24, 2008, 02:37:38 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 24, 2008, 12:01:25 PM
The only CCIW supporter who has a Top 25 ballot is Bob Quillman, and as he explained in the Top 25 room he didn't put Cal Lutheran, Carthage, or Lawrence on his Week Four ballot.

If Carthage had beaten CLU then it would have been hailed as a great victory over great odds.

Baloney. I would never have said such a thing, Q would never have said such a thing, April would never have said such a thing, and Mr. Ypsi would never have said such a thing. That pretty much covers the waterfront in terms of CCIW-alumni posters who post in this room. In fact, one of the frequent complaints from yourself, Fosheezie, HopeJV/GeorgeBush/SalemPavers/D3Ghetto, and other SCIAC posters has been that outsiders have disrespected the level of competition that SCIAC teams present. Given that, how could a Carthage win over CLU have been "hailed as a great victory over great odds" by outsiders if the competition offered by the Kingsmen was considered by them to be substandard?

Quote from: OxyBob on December 24, 2008, 02:37:38 PMI agree with dahlby. Chapman has a good team, but because they're an independent and because of their strength of schedule, the Panthers have very little room for error if they want to get a Pool B bid.

That's not true. As I said above, Pool B aspirants actually have a comparative advantage over teams from affiliated conferences in terms of garnering tourney berths. Chapman's problem is that the strength of schedule for the Panthers gets weaker from this point onward. The likes of Dallas, Redlands, and two games apiece against La Sierra and UCSC will drag it down. However, the converse of that is that it should allow Chapman to run up a pretty gaudy regional record by season's end.

Quote from: OxyBob on December 24, 2008, 02:37:38 PMDon't let a shameless CCIW homer like Sager intimidate you, and don't accept his characterizations of your posts as whining or griping. Just because you state your opinion doesn't make you a whiner or a griper, just a fan like the rest of us.

"Shameless CCIW homer"? Hardly. On the contrary, I said that Carthage is a decent team, not a Top 25 team. Nor did I offer any excuses for the Red Men's loss to CLU. That was your sarcastic doing, not mine or anybody else's. As I said, I'm completely agnostic on the subject of Cal Lutheran's worthiness of Top 25 recognition.

Nor does oldchap have to "accept [my] characterizations of [his] posts as whining or griping," because I never did so in the first place. I called you out on your griping because you posted your bit of snark about Carthage's supposed excuses twice; in fact, the two posts were almost word-for-word identical. On the other hand, far from being a whiner, oldchap simply seems to be a relative newcomer to the byzantine world of D3 tournament qualifications who will be fine once he learns the ropes about pools, primary and secondary criteria, etc.

Hey, if you feel that it's your mission to take up HopeJV/GeorgeBush/SalemPavers/D3Ghetto's old hobbyhorse about the lack of respect that the SCIAC "fishbowl" gets from national D3 observers, of course you're entirely within your rights to do so. I might even agree with some of what you have to say in that vein -- and if you ever come up with another piece of snark as funny as the "Top 25 is a compass that always points east" line, I'll be the first to laugh at it. But I won't sit idly by and allow myself or anyone else's views on the subject to be distorted as part of your quest to play the role of the victim.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 25, 2008, 12:28:59 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 24, 2008, 08:26:26 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on December 24, 2008, 02:37:38 PMDon't let a shameless CCIW homer like Sager intimidate you, and don't accept his characterizations of your posts as whining or griping. Just because you state your opinion doesn't make you a whiner or a griper, just a fan like the rest of us.

"Shameless CCIW homer"? Hardly. On the contrary, I said that Carthage is a decent team, not a Top 25 team. Nor did I offer any excuses for the Red Men's loss to CLU. That was your sarcastic doing, not mine or anybody else's. As I said, I'm completely agnostic on the subject of Cal Lutheran's worthiness of Top 25 recognition.

Nor does oldchap have to "accept [my] characterizations of [his] posts as whining or griping," because I never did so in the first place. I called you out on your griping because you posted your bit of snark about Carthage's supposed excuses twice; in fact, the two posts were almost word-for-word identical. On the other hand, far from being a whiner, oldchap simply seems to be a relative newcomer to the byzantine world of D3 tournament qualifications who will be fine once he learns the ropes about pools, primary and secondary criteria, etc.

Hey, if you feel that it's your mission to take up HopeJV/GeorgeBush/SalemPavers/D3Ghetto's old hobbyhorse about the lack of respect that the SCIAC "fishbowl" gets from national D3 observers, of course you're entirely within your rights to do so. I might even agree with some of what you have to say in that vein -- and if you ever come up with another piece of snark as funny as the "Top 25 is a compass that always points east" line, I'll be the first to laugh at it. But I won't sit idly by and allow myself or anyone else's views on the subject to be distorted as part of your quest to play the role of the victim.

You already were - back on January 31, 2008 when he previously used the line.

OB has been utterly obsessed with comments Q and I made almost a year ago when Oxy beat IWU.  In his mind, we were 'shameless homers' (sound familiar?) making excuses; since our posts (he has deleted his, thought some remain in quoted posts) are still up, anyone is free to judge whether or not they were inappropriate (late December, 2007).  He has beaten this dead horse to the point that even Pat warned him (March, 2008) to cut it out, but it continued (even on other boards) to the point that I finally exploded (October? 2008).  At that point he deleted his account (which is why he now has so few recorded postings), deleted all his messages, and reappeared a week or so later.  (My explosion was inappropriate and I have apologized to posters [there is even a board devoted to it on Anything Goes/Anything that isn't politics], though I will not apologize to OB until he apologizes to me.)

I think it is a terrible shame, because OB is obviously very knowledgable, cares deeply about d3 basketball, and is often quite witty, but he also seems to have a persecution complex concerning Oxy and the SCIAC in general (probably justified regarding the NCAA bean-counters; NOT in my opinion in terms of d3hoops.com).  To borrow his phrase, one might even conclude he is a 'shameless homer'. ;)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on December 26, 2008, 08:08:29 AM
Dear Sager and Ypsi,

Thank you very much for the lovely Christmas gift of umbrage and indignation. Beats frankincense and myrrh every time. You shouldn't have.

Sincerely,

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Titan Q on December 26, 2008, 08:46:17 AM
Here is what I posted after the IWU/Oxy game one year ago...

Quote from: Titan Q on December 30, 2007, 01:11:35 AM
Occidental 88
IWU 67

http://www.oxyathletics.com/sports/mbkb/2007-08/stats/1229iwu.htm

The Titans got beat by a better team tonight...the Tigers may be the best team the Titans have faced this year.  6-1 guard Connor Whitman is a legit 1st Team All-American candidate and Oxy has a ton of size, including 6-10/240 freshman transfer Sean Anderson from UC-Riverside.

IWU point-guard Travis Rosenkranz was in foul trouble the entire game and only played 14 minutes.  Sean Dwyer, just back from that year-long injury and playing in his third game, was forced into 30 minutes of action.  Not an ideal way for Sean to get back into things.

The Titans couldn't buy a 3-pointer tonight - 2-16 from beyond the arc.  The perimeter guys were all off tonight it seemed. 

Another solid game out of the big guys - Gant with 14 & 10, Chamernik with 16 & 7, and Sexauer with 8 points.  As the freshmen guards continue to settle in and play more consistently, the Titans will improve.

Bottom line tonight though was just Occidental was just too much.  That's a very good team.  The Tiger fans I spoke with after the game all felt like that was their team's best performance of the year so maybe I saw them at their best, but that seems like a team that could do a little damage in the NCAA tournament this year.


Terrible huh?

http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?action=profile;u=310;sa=showPosts;start=1005
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Titan Q on December 26, 2008, 08:55:55 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on December 24, 2008, 02:37:38 PM
If Carthage had beaten CLU then it would have been hailed as a great victory over great odds.

And that's why on CCIW Chat I've gone out of my way to remind people that, despite a gaudy non-conference record this year, the league does not have a lot of great wins...

Quote from: Titan Q on December 19, 2008, 08:36:11 AM
More on that topic...

CCIW vs "Top 25 caliber" teams:

- North Park vs Wash U, neutral (11/15), L, 64-86
- Augustana vs Wash U (11/22), L, 82-87 (OT)
- North Central vs Mt. Vernon Nazarene (11/22), L, 75-91
- IWU @ Olivet Nazarene (12/2), L, 63-76
- North Central vs UW-Whitewater (12/3), L, 54-62
- Millikin @ SIU-E (12/4), W, 70-59
- IWU @ Wash U (12/6), L, 86-93
- Carthage @ Olivet Nazarene (12/12), L, 73-87
- Elmhurst vs UW-Stevens Point (12/13), L, 53-62


CCIW: 1-8

And that's why I've spent so much time on Hoopsville reminding people that Carthage and Wheaton's wins over perennial D3 powers Hope and Calvin shouldn't necessarily be considered big wins, because the two MIAA powers are down a bit.

Yep, just a CCIW homer.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 26, 2008, 12:29:41 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on December 26, 2008, 08:08:29 AM
Dear Sager and Ypsi,

Thank you very much for the lovely Christmas gift of umbrage and indignation. Beats frankincense and myrrh every time. You shouldn't have.

Sincerely,

OxyBob

Count your blessings, O-Bob. It's not every SCIAC fan who gets a visitation at this time of year from three wise men from the east. ;)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on December 26, 2008, 01:07:16 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 26, 2008, 12:29:41 PM
Count your blessings, O-Bob. It's not every SCIAC fan who gets a visitation at this time of year from three wise men from the east.

I think you have it backwards. As I understand the story, if you're the Three Wise Men then you made the journey to worship ME.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TeeDub on December 26, 2008, 03:01:55 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on December 26, 2008, 01:07:16 PM
...then you made the journey to worship ME.

OxyBob

Beware of false prophets!

2 Pet 2:1 (NIV)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on December 26, 2008, 03:19:19 PM
Next week SCIAC fans have several chances to see three D3hoops Top 25 teams -- Amherst, Buena Vista, and UMass-Dartmouth.

Dec. 29
Luther (3-5) @ Cal Lutheran (6-1)   6:00 p.m.
Pacific Lutheran (5-2) vs. No. 10 Buena Vista (8-1) @ CLU   8:00 p.m.

Dec. 30
Chapman (8-2) @ Redlands (3-5)   2:00 p.m.
Luther vs. Pacific Lutheran @ CLU   6:00 p.m.
Pt. Loma Nazarene (NAIA-1) (6-4) @ Claremont (7-2)   7:00 p.m.
No. 10 Buena Vista @ Cal Lutheran   8:00 p.m.

Dec. 31
No. 24 UMass-Dartmouth (7-1) @ Pomona (2-6)   2:00 p.m.
No. 8 Amherst (7-0) @ Caltech (0-8)   2:00 p.m.
Redlands @ La Sierra (1-10)   2:00 p.m.
Oxy (4-4) vs. Babson (6-3) @ Caltech   4:00 p.m.

Jan 2.
Babson @ Caltech   2:00 p.m.
No. 8 Amherst vs. Pomona @ Caltech   4:00 p.m.
Cal Lutheran vs. UC Santa Cruz (3-7) @ La Verne   5:00 p.m.
No. 24 UMass-Dartmouth @ Oxy   7:00 p.m.
Tufts (4-4) @ La Verne (3-6)  7:00 p.m.

Jan. 3
Tufts vs. Cal Lutheran @ La Verne   1:00 p.m.
UC Santa Cruz @ La Verne   3:00 p.m.
Chapman vs. Swarthmore (1-5) @ Whittier   6:00 p.m.
Redlands @ Biola (NAIA-1) (7-3)  7:00 p.m.
La Sierra @ Whittier (3-5)  8:00 p.m.

Jan. 4
Swarthmore @ Whittier   8:00 p.m.

Jan. 5
Polytechnic (0-9) @ Caltech   7:30 p.m.
La Sierra @ Claremont   7:30 p.m.

Jan. 6
Polytechnic @ Whittier   3:00 p.m.

Jan. 7
Pomona @ La Sierra   7:30 p.m.
Oxy @ Chapman   7:30 p.m.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 26, 2008, 07:38:36 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on December 26, 2008, 01:07:16 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 26, 2008, 12:29:41 PM
Count your blessings, O-Bob. It's not every SCIAC fan who gets a visitation at this time of year from three wise men from the east.

I think you have it backwards. As I understand the story, if you're the Three Wise Men then you made the journey to worship ME.

OxyBob

It would appear that you have progressed (at least in your own mind) from "Grumpy Old Men" to "The Greatest Story Ever Told". :D

Per your attack on d-mac on another thread, you seem even grumpier than usual - Santa only bring a lump of coal?

Perhaps you should consider hiring new writers; the traditional stuff is getting a bit stale.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Howlinwolf on December 27, 2008, 05:26:21 PM
Peace in the world (and on this board) in '09!

Let's play two...
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on December 30, 2008, 03:43:33 AM
Quote from: Howlinwolf on December 27, 2008, 05:26:21 PM
Let's play two...

Eyewitness report from Thousand Oaks:

Cal Lutheran 57, Luther 51

CLU: Andy Meier 16 pts, 10 rebs, Aaron Van Klaveren 12 pts, 13 rebs, Greg Grimm 13 pts, 6 rebs, 4 assists, 3 steals
LC: Zac Ruckebeil 11 pts, 9 rebs, Dane Larson 11

Halftime: CLU 31-29
Rebounds: CLU 40-32
Records: Cal Lutheran 7-1, Luther 3-6

Cal Lutheran toughed it out against a stubborn Luther team. Typical CLU game with a lot of bumping, holding and pushing. Luther played an aggressive man-to-man and kept the game close, but Luther couldn't keep Andy Meier and Aaron Van Klaveren off the boards, and the Norse hurt themselves with poor FT shooting in the first half. The game got off to a very slow start, and was tied 17-17 at 6:30. The offenses picked up a bit and CLU led 31-29 at the break. In the second half the Kingsmen led 41-35 at 13:25, but the Norse rattled off 10 in a row and led 45-41. Luther led 51-50 with 3:14 left, but CLU scored the last 7 points of the game and held on for a hard earned win.

For CLU, Meier had another strong game with 16 points and 10 rebounds. Van Klaveren was a beast on the boards, and high-jumping Aaron Fisher had 5 key rebounds. For Luther, Zac Ruckebeil played a great game with 11 points, 9 rebounds and a nice block on Meier.

Buena Vista 108, Pacific Lutheran 100 OT

BVU: Matt Cleveland 29 pts, 12 rebs, Andre Wagner 21, Jeff Janssen 15
PLU: Kyle MacTaggart 24, Josh Dressler 21, Curtis Trondsen 20, James Conti 10

Halftime: PLU 42-40
Regulation: 84-84
Rebounds: BVU 55-38
Records: Buena Vista 9-1, Pacific Lutheran 5-3

Pacific Lutheran had a 7-point lead with 47 seconds to go in regulation, but a costly turnover and 2 missed FTs on 1-and-1s cost PLU a victory. Watching the teams warm up it looked like it would be a mismatch as Buena Vista towered over the much smaller Lutes, but PLU played a very aggressive man-to-man, overplaying and double teaming the ball à la Puget Sound, and refused to give in to Buena Vista, which outrebounded PLU 55-38.

In the first half, BVU had a 33-28 lead at 5:00, but PLU went on a 12-2 run to lead 40-35. Buena Vista tied it a 40, but Curtis Trondsen's jumper gave the Lutes a 42-40 halftime lead. In the second half, PLU was up 47-42, but BVU went on a 15-2 run and led 57-49 at 13:50, stretched the lead to 64-53 at 11:10, and looked to be in control. Back came Pacific Lutheran with a 17-3 run of its own, and the Lutes led 70-67 with just under 7 minutes to go. After BVU took a 77-76 lead, PLU made 8 straight and led 84-77 with 47 seconds to go. Matt Cleveland made a 3-ball to cut the lead to 84-80. After BVU took a TO, PLU tried to inbound the ball, but Kyle MacTaggart threw it straight out of bounds so no time ran off the clock. Cleveland got fouled and made 2 FTs to cut the lead to 84-82 with 35 seconds left. PLU's James Conti was fouled with 26 seconds left, but he missed on the 1-and-1, and Andre Wagner scored on a layup to tie the game at 84. After a timeout, PLU's Gabe Smith was fouled on the baseline by Jon Millea with 3.8 seconds left, but, like Conti, Smith missed on the 1-and-1. After a TO by BVU, Wagner took a half court runner which banked off the backboard and hit the rim but missed, and the game went to OT. Buena Vista exerted its muscle in OT, outscored PLU 14-3, and led 98-87 with 1:30 to go. The Lutes did not go quietly, however, and cut the lead to 102-98 before Wagner sealed the win with 4 straight FTs. Great college basketball game.

For Buena Vista, Matt Cleveland was awesome with 29 points, including 11-for-16 FGs and 3-for-3 on 3s, and 4-for-4 FTs, and he also had 12 rebounds. Andre Wagner was only 6-for-20 shooting and 1-for-6 on 3s, but he had 8 assists and 5 rebounds and was a very clutch 8-for-8 from the line. Freshman guard Jeff Janssen took advantage of PLU's overplaying defense, got open repeatedly, and scored 15 points on 5-for-6 on 3-balls. For PLU, Kyle MacTaggart had 24 on 8-for-13 (6-for-9 3s). Buena Vista shot 16-for-17 FTs, and Pacific Lutheran was 10-for-12, though the 2 misses at the end of regulation were killers.

Tuesday night Buena Vista will face Cal Lutheran at 8:00 p.m. Luther and Pacific Lutheran play in the early game at 6:00 p.m.

Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 26, 2008, 07:38:36 PM
Per your attack on d-mac on another thread, you seem even grumpier than usual - Santa only bring a lump of coal?

Oh, I think Dave McHugh can survive my comments. If I trod on his tender sensibilities I suppose I could apologize...

Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 25, 2008, 12:28:59 AM
though I will not apologize to [DM] until he apologizes to me.

Anyway, it's nice to see that you got what you wanted for Christmas -- some brand new green IWU short shorts -- though apparently they're already twisted up your crack.

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ftheiwubookstore.com%2Fimages%2Fproducts%2Fthumb%2FDSC00075.JPG&hash=c6023343ade52b13e5b13dda4d284e6dd50f44ed)

OxyBob

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: janesvilleflash on December 30, 2008, 07:36:50 PM
Now that is just too funny.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 30, 2008, 11:31:36 PM
A game of streaks between BV and CLU

It was BV 6-5 and then it went to 15-5.  CLU tied it at 17, and then BV moved it back to 25-17 with 5:30 left.

BVU 25-24 with 2:50 left.  (Bwayna Vista!?!?!  A bunch of Californians....tsk tsk tsk!  :D )

BV 32 - 29 at the half.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on December 30, 2008, 11:43:20 PM
Buena Vista has a lot of size but has generated most of its offense on mid- and long range jumpers.  I'm surprised they aren't attacking CLU's freshman center more.  Interesting to hear Chuck Muncie as the color commentator.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 31, 2008, 12:02:27 AM
Chuck Muncie had to fend off the "why aren't you in the Hall of Fame" question.

CLU leads 41-38 with 16:18 left. :)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on December 31, 2008, 12:14:22 AM
Yeah.  I don't know what the criteria is but he has apparently had an interesting past with a nice turn around. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuck_Muncie
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 31, 2008, 12:33:01 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on December 30, 2008, 11:31:36 PM
BVU 25-24 with 2:50 left.  (Bwayna Vista!?!?!  A bunch of Californians....tsk tsk tsk!  :D )

Rumor has it that Bob Hope was willing to put the school in his will if they'd agree to change the pronunciation to "Bwana Vista".
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on December 31, 2008, 12:51:09 AM
Ha ha.  Nice.

The public address announcer pronounced the school correctly but it went unnoticed by the broadcasters who continued to use Bob Hope's pronunciation.

Final: Buena Vista 68 CLU 65

The Kingsmen had two chances to tie the game after BVU missed free throws to ice the game.  CLU played a scrappy game against a much larger squad, acquitting themselves well.  BVU gets a nice regional win on the road to close ithe non-conference portion of the regular season.  When you see the Beavers' height you expect them to pound it down low, but then they take a lot of perimeter shots.  Whatever works, I guess.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on December 31, 2008, 02:45:08 AM
Eyewitness report from Thousand Oaks:

Buena Vista 68, Cal Lutheran 65

CLU: Andy Meier 18 pts, 10 rebs, Aaron Van Klaveren 14 pts, 11 rebs, Aaron Fisher 14
BVU: Andre Wagner 17, Matt Cleveland 12

Halftime: BVU 32-29
Rebounds: CLU 41-37
Records: Cal Lutheran 7-2, Buena Vista 10-1

Buena Vista got off to a good start and led 15-5 at 12:00. Cal Lutheran ran off 12 straight, then BVU had a 10-0 run and led 25-17. After Cal Lutheran closed to 29-27, Andre Wagner made a really long 3-ball, and the Beavers led 32-29 at the break. CLU opened the second half with a 9-2 run and led 38-34 which was the Kingsmen's biggest lead of the game. CLU led 58-57 with 4:50 left, but after a missed CLU jumper by Aaron Fisher, Wagner got the rebound and went the length of the floor for a beautiful backhanded layup, and then followed that with another layup to give BVU a 61-58 lead at 3:00. Buena Vista didn't get another FG the rest of the way. Fisher hit a 3-ball with 19 seconds left to get CLU within 68-65. Wagner was fouled but he missed both FTs, and CLU took a TO with 10.7 seconds to go. Andy Meier and Gregg Grimm both got off decent 3-point tries, but they didn't fall and BVU got the win.

For CLU, Andy Meier played another outstanding game with 18 pts and 10 rebounds despite being double- and triple-teamed the entire night. Aaron Van Klaveren had 14 pts, including a couple of 3-pointers, and also had 11 rebounds before fouling out. Aaron Fisher had an excellent game off the bench with 14 points. For BVU, Andre Wagner was the difference with 17 points and 4 assists, though he made it dicey for BVU at the end with the 2 missed FTs. Buena Vista was 16-for-17 FTs the night before against Pacific Lutheran, but was only 12-for-20 tonight. Cal Lutheran wasn't much better with 14-for-23 from the line.

Cal Lutheran plays UC Santa Cruz this Friday and Tufts on Saturday in the La Verne Classic in the Super Tents.

As for B-yoo-na Vista, what do you expect from a bunch of rubes who pronounce Madrid as Mad-rid, Oelwein as Ol-wine, and Nevada as Ne-vhey-da? Oh, yeah, and don't forget Duh-moyn.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on December 31, 2008, 01:32:55 PM
Last night's scores:

Chapman 87, Redlands 51

CU: Griffin Ramme 13, Jared Kaiser
UR: Patrick Coffey 12, Travis Miller 10

Halftime: CU 41-22
Rebounds: CU 41-15
Records: Chapman 9-2, Redlands 3-6

Ouch! Chapman hammered Redlands. The Panthers shot 60% from the field and led by as many as 41.

Redlands is at La Sierra (1-10) today at 2:00 p.m. Chapman plays in the Purple and Gold Poet Classic at Whittier this weekend. The Panthers face Swarthmore (1-5) on Saturday at 6:00 p.m., and La Sierra on Sunday at 6:00 p.m.

Point Loma Nazarene 81, Claremont 74

CMS: Michael Bagby 14 pts, 9 rebs, Jason Toney 12, Austin Soldner 11, Conner Faught 13
PLN: Craig Austin 20 pts, 13 rebs, Curtis Carlson 18, Noble'D Shelton 15, Dean Colbray 11

Halftime: PLN 40-29
Rebounds: CMS 31-29
Records: Claremont 7-3, Point Loma Nazarene 8-5

Claremont fell to Point Loma (or, as they probably say it in Iowa, Lah-may) of the GSAC, the Stags' second straight loss to an NAIA-1 team. The Sea Lions had 4 starters in double figures, led by Craig Austin, who scored 20 on 7-for-8 FGs and 6-for-8 from the line. Michael Bagby led the Stags with 14 pts and 9 rebs, and Austin Soldner added 11 pts and a game-high 6 assists.

Claremont has a tune-up against La Sierra on Jan. 5 before opening the SCIAC season Jan. 10 at Redlands, but the way the Bulldogs have been playing that game will be a tune-up for Claremont's battle with Cal Lutheran on Jan. 14.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: April on December 31, 2008, 03:05:36 PM
Good lord, CLU could have beaten the #10 team in the country just by having a half way decent time at the line?

Time to start shooting some fts after practice boys, your chance of getting ranked and the SCIAC getting taken more seriously (not to mention a very important regional win and subsequent playoff seeding) just left the building. :P
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on December 31, 2008, 04:29:46 PM
Quote from: April on December 31, 2008, 03:05:36 PM
Good lord, CLU could have beaten the #10 team in the country just by having a half way decent time at the line?

To be fair, Buena Vista clanged a bunch of FTs, too. Also, for your statement to be true one has to accept the premise that BVU is the No. 10 team in the country. From what I saw from watching them, if the Beavers are No. 10 then Pacific Lutheran and Cal Lutheran are Nos. 11 and 12.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on December 31, 2008, 08:29:14 PM
East Coast and Midwest bias? ;)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: April on December 31, 2008, 08:49:44 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on December 31, 2008, 04:29:46 PM
Quote from: April on December 31, 2008, 03:05:36 PM
Good lord, CLU could have beaten the #10 team in the country just by having a half way decent time at the line?
To be fair, Buena Vista clanged a bunch of FTs, too. Also, for your statement to be true one has to accept the premise that BVU is the No. 10 team in the country. From what I saw from watching them, if the Beavers are No. 10 then Pacific Lutheran and Cal Lutheran are Nos. 11 and 12.

OxyBob
Theoretically you should be familiar with shooting FTs in your own gym though. There's a pretty real advantage to using familiar hoops in terms of give of the rim, being used to shooting with x amount of distance behind the glass, etc.


Quote from: Gray Fox on December 31, 2008, 08:29:14 PM
East Coast and Midwest bias? ;)
TOTALLY!!!  >:(

But seriously, can you boys try to play nice with the boys from the other side of the block.. and vice versa to my CCIW friends? The good points on both sides are getting lost amongst the whining, testosterone, homerism, and general male bravado. :P

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 01, 2009, 10:12:43 PM
Quote from: April on December 31, 2008, 08:49:44 PM
But seriously, can you boys try to play nice with the boys from the other side of the block.. and vice versa to my CCIW friends? The good points on both sides are getting lost amongst the whining, testosterone, homerism, and general male bravado. :P

Must be all that red meat we eat. That's why when General MacArthur wrote the postwar Constitution for the newly-disarmed and occupied nation of Japan he included a provision that required the Japanese to eat lots of sushi.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 02, 2009, 01:47:10 AM
Scores from Dec. 31:

Amherst 106, Caltech 56

AC: Brian Baskauskas 17, Steven Wheeler 13, DJ Carcieri 13, Mike Holsey 10
CIT: Travis Haussler 16, Matt Dellatorre 16, Han Bin Man 10

Halftime: AC 57-33
Rebounds: AC 37-20
Records: Caltech 0-9, Amherst 8-0

I hope Amherst got good seats for the Rose Parade.

On Friday, Caltech plays Babson at 2:00 p.m., and Amherst plays Pomona at Caltech at 4:00 p.m.

Babson 47, Oxy 43

Oxy: Jack Hanley 10, Justin Goltz 9 pts, 9 rebs
BC: Zach Etten 17 pts, 8 rebs

Halftime: BC 31-21
Rebounds: Oxy 39-28
Records: Oxy 4-5, Babson 7-3

Oxy got down 10 and didn't get closer than 3. 43 points won't win many games. Oxy faces UMass-Dartmouth on Friday at 7:00 p.m.

UMass-Dartmouth 71, Pomona 66: The Sagehens had a 10-point second half lead but the Corsairs rallied for the win. Pomona is 2-7, UMass-Dartmouth is 8-1.

Redlands 74, La Sierra 48: On Saturday, Redlands (4-6) is at Biola (9-3) at 7:00 p.m.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on January 02, 2009, 03:01:46 PM
Happy New Year everyone.

Sounds like a lively board for December.  We'll have the Oxy/UMD game tonight at 7:00 PST.  Just go to www.oxybroadcast.com.   We'll also have Oxy/Chapman next Wednesday at 7:30.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 03, 2009, 11:22:30 AM
Eyewitness report from Eagle Rock:

UMass-Dartmouth 78, Oxy 59

Oxy: Sean Anderson 12, Jack Hanley 11
UMD: Brandon Shelton 18, Jeff Macchi 14, Matt Walker 13, Brandon Stephens 11, David Riley 11

Halftime: UMD 39-33
Rebounds: Oxy 33-32
Records: Oxy 4-6, UMass-Dartmouth 9-1

UMass-Dartmouth's unrelenting pressure defense finally got to Oxy in the second half, and the Corsairs pulled away for a comfortable win. Oxy led 8-0 after 3 minutes, but UMD came back with a 15-2 run of its own and led 15-10 at 11:45. Sam Kesten's 3-ball gave the Tigers a 29-26 lead at 4:25, but UMass took the lead on a 4-point play by Matt Walker, and the Corsairs led by 6 at the break. In the second half, UMD led 52-40 with 12 minutes to go, but another 3-pointer by Kesten cut UMD's lead to 54-48 with under 10 minutes left. That's when UMass really turned up the heat with it's all-over-the-court pressure. The Corsairs outscored the Tigers 22-5 over the next 8 minutes, and easily won the game by 19. For the game Oxy outshot UMD 45.7% to 41.8%, and outrebounded UMD 33-32, but the Tigers had a real tough time with the Corsairs' press as UMass forced 24 Oxy turnovers.

For Oxy, Henry Meier and Justin Goltz played good defensive games with 7 rebounds each, and Sam Kesten came of the bench and scored 8 including two 3s. For UMD, they had 4 starters in double figures, led by Brandon Shelton who had 18 points, 7 rebounds and 8 steals.

Oxy (4-6) plays at Chapman (9-2) next Wednesday.

Other scores from Jan. 2:

Amherst 74, Pomona 52
Cal Lutheran 85, UC Santa Cruz 72
La Verne 85, Tufts 72
Babson 81, Caltech 42

Today's schedule:

Tufts (4-5) vs. Cal Lutheran (8-2) @ La Verne 1:00 p.m.   
UC Santa Cruz (3-8) @ La Verne (4-6) 3:00 p.m.   
Redlands (4-6) @ Biola (NAIA-1) (9-3) 7:00 p.m.   
La Sierra (1-11) @ Whittier (3-5) 8:00 p.m.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldchap on January 04, 2009, 01:12:09 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 03, 2009, 11:22:30 AM
Today's schedule:

Whittier College Tournament (26th Annual Purple and Gold Poet Classic)
Chapman 88 - Swathmore College (PA) 59

Sunday January 4:
Chapman vs. La Sierra at 6 PM
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 04, 2009, 03:09:23 PM
Here's an article from the Ventura County Star (http://www.venturacountystar.com/news/2009/jan/04/Sc4FCclumen04CLG-fc) about Cal Lutheran's 74-69 loss to Tufts:

QuoteCLU suffers defensive letdown in loss to Tufts

Not surprisingly, the defense that was good triumphed over the one that was not, at least initially.

Tufts University's effectiveness in limiting Cal Lutheran's inside defense — and the Kingsmen's early woes on the defensive end — added up to a 74-69 win for the Jumbos on Saturday in the SCIAC Classic at the University of La Verne.

It was the final preseason game for CLU (8-3), which opens Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference play next Saturday at Occidental.

"We weren't ready for play," said CLU coach Rich Rider. "For whatever reason, we weren't ready to play. And I've got to compliment them. They came to play, and knocked down some open shots. They're a good shooting team anyway, and when you're not ready to play, you make them even better shooters."

Tufts (5-5) could not have been much better at the start, making 14 of its first 15 shots to lead by as many as 12 points in the opening nine minutes.

At the end of that 15-shot run, the Jumbos had scored on 11 of 15 possessions. At the half, they were shooting 76 percent (16 of 21) while CLU was 12 of 29 (41 percent).

"We just came out flat," said CLU forward Andy Meier, "and not prepared to play defense at all."

While CLU survived that early outburst, trailing just 38-33 at the half, and led on four occasions — the last at 68-66 with 3:57 remaining — Tufts defense eventually prevailed, containing CLU's inside game. Cal Lutheran's two 6-foot-7 forwards, Meier and freshman Aaron Van Klaveren, had 20 and 12 points respectively, but were a combined 10 of 22, with Meier going 6 for 16 and Van Klaveren making four of just six shots.

"We'd get the ball in the post," said Meier, "and then they'd clamp down a lot, and I had to kick it out. And they'd run that zone, and the guards couldn't knock down the open shots."

That inability to establish an inside-outside balance was costly against the zone, said Rider, and was in contrast to Tufts' ability to spread out the Kingsmen.

"We didn't knock down enough outside shots to loosen it up," said Rider, referring to the Tufts defense. "They knocked down enough outside shots that we had to come out, and they drove by us."
...

That was true throughout the game — CLU was 5 of 17 on 3-pointers — and decisive after CLU took its last lead, as the Kingsmen hit just one free throw and missed their final four field-goal attempts, three of them 3-pointers.
...

Greg Grimm had 15 points and Kyle Knudsen scored 13 for CLU. Tufts was led by 17 points and seven rebounds from Jon Pierce, a [D]3hoops.com preseason All-American. Matt Galvin added 13, Dave Beyel scored 11 and Aaron Gallant had 10.

In other games:

UC Santa Cruz 81, La Verne 72

ULV: Billy Nicolini 21, Kyle Luhnow 16, Matt Heyd 11, Pierre Baker 11
UCSC: Ryan Matsuoka 21, Ted Monson 13, Eshon Mortezaie 12, Daniel Bryant 12, Niel Brennan 12

Halftime: UCSC 36-30
Rebounds: ULV 41-32
Records: La Verne (4-7), UC Santa Cruz (4-8)

The game was tied 60-all at 5:20, but Eshon Mortezaie's 3-ball gave the Banana Slugs the lead and they led the rest of the way and beat the Leopards. La Verne opens the SCIAC season next Saturday at Whittier.

Speaking of Whittier, the Poets knocked off La Sierra 82-60 on the first day of the Purple and Gold Classic, while Chapman routed Swarthmore as reported by oldchap. Today it's Chapman (10-2) vs. La Sierra (1-12) at 6:00 p.m., and Whittier (4-5) vs. Swarthmore (1-6) at 8:00 p.m.

Biola beat Redlands, 67-47. Patrick Coffey scored 14 for the Bulldogs (4-7), who only trailed 20-15 at 9:10, but the Eagles (10-3) outscored UR 15-4 the rest of the first half, and BU wasn't threatened the rest of the way. Redlands hosts Claremont in the SCIAC season opener next Saturday.

It hasn't been a very good nonconference season so far for the SCIAC. Only Claremont (7-3) and Cal Lutheran (8-3) have winning records. The SCIAC is only 33-49 overall (.402), including 1-4 vs. UC Santa Cruz (which has got to be unprecedented), 0-7 vs. Chapman, 0-9 vs. NAIA-1 GSAC teams, and 11-1 vs. 1-12 La Sierra, who Oxy, Redlands, Whittier and La Verne have each played and beaten twice. Not exactly setting the D-III basketball world on fire here.

Game of the Weak: Polytechnic (0-9) @ Caltech (0-10), Jan. 5 at 7:30 p.m.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Titan Q on January 04, 2009, 03:29:44 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 04, 2009, 03:09:23 PM0-9 vs. NAIA-1 GSAC teams

On the season, D3 teams are something like 6-26 vs NAIA I teams.  The GSAC is one of the top 2-3 NAIA I leagues.  I know 0-9 vs the GSAC is disappointing, but I don't think it's a biggie.  I believe it's safe to say the SCIAC teams were underdogs in all of those games.

The reality is that NAIA I teams gives scholarships.  They tend to be bigger, stronger, quicker, and more athletic than your typical D3.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 04, 2009, 05:29:39 PM
Quote from: Titan Q on January 04, 2009, 03:29:44 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 04, 2009, 03:09:23 PM0-9 vs. NAIA-1 GSAC teams
On the season, D3 teams are something like 6-26 vs NAIA I teams.  The GSAC is one of the top 2-3 NAIA I leagues.  I know 0-9 vs the GSAC is disappointing, but I don't think it's a biggie.  I believe it's safe to say the SCIAC teams were underdogs in all of those games.

The reality is that NAIA I teams gives scholarships.  They tend to be bigger, stronger, quicker, and more athletic than your typical D3.

Gee, no kidding, the NAIA-1 teams from the GSAC are stronger than the SCIAC teams? I have only followed the GSAC for over 30 years, back to the days of Jim Dykstra at Westmont, but thanks for telling me what I already knew.

Even if you take the 9 games against the GSAC out of the equation, and eliminate 0-10 Caltech, the other 7 SCIAC teams are still only 33-30 in nonconference play, including the 11 wins against 1-12 La Sierra.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 05, 2009, 05:05:41 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 04, 2009, 05:29:39 PM
Quote from: Titan Q on January 04, 2009, 03:29:44 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 04, 2009, 03:09:23 PM0-9 vs. NAIA-1 GSAC teams
On the season, D3 teams are something like 6-26 vs NAIA I teams.  The GSAC is one of the top 2-3 NAIA I leagues.  I know 0-9 vs the GSAC is disappointing, but I don't think it's a biggie.  I believe it's safe to say the SCIAC teams were underdogs in all of those games.

The reality is that NAIA I teams gives scholarships.  They tend to be bigger, stronger, quicker, and more athletic than your typical D3.

Gee, no kidding, the NAIA-1 teams from the GSAC are stronger than the SCIAC teams?

Not every post merits a smart-ass response.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on January 05, 2009, 05:21:23 PM
But Pat,

The last sentence says something about the strength of the SCIAC this year.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LogShow on January 05, 2009, 10:56:44 PM
UCSC beating La Verne?  UCSC is actually winning a few games this year...maybe it's because they can actaully play a few home games this year...

Is CalTech going to get their first win tonight?  ;D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hugenerd on January 06, 2009, 12:27:01 AM
I just wanted to say congrats to Coach Eslinger on his first win tonight as a head coach.  Caltech pulls out a 77-69 home victory over Polytechnic.  Hopefully this will be the first of many wins, but I am sure he is happy getting that first win under his belt tonight.  Who would have guessed that Caltech would get a win before Chicago?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 06, 2009, 03:14:49 AM
Quote from: LogShow on January 05, 2009, 10:56:44 PM
Is CalTech going to get their first win tonight?

The answer is Yes!

Eyewitness report from Pasadena:

Caltech 77, Polytechnic 69

CIT: Matt Dellatorre 27 pts, 10 rebs, 3 assists, 3 steals, Travis Haussler 19 pts, 12 rebs, 2 assists, 5 blocks, Ryan Elmquist 14, Wei Li 11
NYU-Poly: Arjun Ohri 25, Andre Robinson 17 pts, 7 rebs, 3 assists, 3 steals, Anthony Mottola 10

Halftime: CIT 40-24
Rebounds: CIT 38-36
Records: Caltech 1-10, Polytechnic 0-10

Very entertaining game between Caltech and NYU-Poly. CIT got off to a quick 7-0 lead and never trailed in the game. Arjun Ohri's 3-point play brought the Fighting Blue Jays within 7-5, but that's as close they'd get the rest of the night. The Beavers took a 26-12 lead on Travis Haussler's layup at 9:30, stretched the lead to 18, and led 40-24 at the break. In the second half, CIT led 52-37 at 12:25, but NYU-Poly scored 11 straight to close to 52-48 at 8:40. Wei Li's 3-ball broke the scoreless spell for CIT to push the lead back to 7, and the Blue Jays didn't get closer than 4 the rest of the way. The Beavers won it at the free throw line by sinking 28-for-33, while NYU-Poly was only 10-for-20, and missed several chances to close the gap by clanking their FTs.

For Caltech, the Beavers had 4 starters in double figures. Matt Dellatorre scored 27 points on 6-for-13 FGs and 13-for-14 from the line, and also pulled down 10 rebounds. Travis Haussler played a very strong game in the post with 19 points and 12 rebounds, and had 5 blocks. Ryan Elmquist had 14 points on 4-for-6 FGs and 6-for-6 FTs, and made a key basket on a put back with 3 minutes to go. Wei Li scored 11 and hit on 3-for-5 on 3-balls. For Polytechnic, Arjun Ohri played a strong game with 25 points on 10-for-18 FGs and 3-for-3 from the line. Andre Robinson scored 17 and had 7 boards, and Anthony Mottola had 10.

I've now seen Caltech win its last 3 games. I saw CIT break its 207-game losing streak to D-III teams against Bard on 01/06/07, I saw them break an 18-game losing streak against Gallaudet on 12/17/07, and I saw them break a 30-game losing streak tonight. Fear the Beavers!

Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 05, 2009, 05:05:41 PM
Not every post merits a smart-ass response.

Just as my posts don't merit a condescending "there, there" pat on the head from one of the self-appointed mavens of college basketball, while repeating what I already said:

Quote from: OxyBob on November 26, 2008, 04:37:24 PM
SCIAC teams usually struggle against GSAC schools, which is traditionally tough from top to bottom, save for maybe Hope International and Vanguard.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 06, 2009, 03:48:25 AM
Quote from: LogShow on January 05, 2009, 10:56:44 PM
UCSC beating La Verne?  UCSC is actually winning a few games this year...maybe it's because they can actually play a few home games this year...

After chatting with several SCIAC coaches, the consensus is that UCSC is better than usual. It looks like in the La Verne tournament this past weekend that Tufts didn't take La Verne seriously and lost to the Leopards; Cal Lutheran saw Tufts lose to ULV, didn't take the Jumbos seriously, and lost; and La Verne saw Santa Cruz lose to CLU, didn't take the Banana Slugs seriously, and lost. What I want to know is how is it even possible for someone to take a team called the Banana Slugs seriously?

OxyBob

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Dear OxyBob,

Good question.

Sincerely,

Pomona Sagehens and Whittier Poets
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Titan Q on January 06, 2009, 08:16:26 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 06, 2009, 03:14:49 AM
Just as my posts don't merit a condescending "there, there" pat on the head from one of the self-appointed mavens of college basketball, while repeating what I already said:


Bob, I can't help how you read what someone posts, but I can tell you that a "condescending 'there, there' pat on the head" was the furthest thing from my mind when I last posted here.  All I knew at the time was that you had mentioned the SCIAC's record vs the GSAC twice recently:


Quote from: OxyBob on January 04, 2009, 03:09:23 PMIt hasn't been a very good nonconference season so far for the SCIAC. Only Claremont (7-3) and Cal Lutheran (8-3) have winning records. The SCIAC is only 33-49 overall (.402), including 1-4 vs. UC Santa Cruz (which has got to be unprecedented), 0-7 vs. Chapman, 0-9 vs. NAIA-1 GSAC teams,

Quote from: OxyBob on December 31, 2008, 01:56:46 PM
Score from 12/30:

Point Loma Nazarene (NAIA 1) 81, Claremont-Mudd-Scripps 74

SCIAC falls to 0-8 against the GSAC. Rats.
OxyBob

I was just trying to post an opinion.  That's it.  I'm not sure it was reasonable for me to have gone back to November 28 to read your post about the GSAC (that you quoted above), or to otherwise have known your 30-year history of following the GSAC, going back to Westmont. 

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on January 06, 2009, 12:17:50 PM
Quote from: Titan Q on January 06, 2009, 08:16:26 AMI'm not sure it was reasonable for me to [...] have known your 30-year history of following the GSAC, going back to Westmont. 
For what it's worth, I knew of it, and I'll wager that most if not all of the regulars in this room knew of it too.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 06, 2009, 12:46:09 PM
For those of you who haven't seen it, Caltech head coach Oliver "Doc" Eslinger has a blog: Doc's Head Games (http://www.docsheadgames.com)

Score from Monday night:

Claremont 92, La Sierra 59

CMS: Michael Bagby 17, Chris Blees 15 pts and 10 rebs, Beau Heidrich 11, Austin Soldner 10
LSU: Andrew Allado 12, DePaul Williams 10, Joshua Crouch 10

Halftime: CMS 45-34
Rebounds: CMS 38-25
Records: Claremont 8-3, La Sierra 1-14

The Stags open the SCIAC season this Saturday at Redlands.

Today's schedule:
Polytechnic (0-10) @ Whittier (5-5) 3:00 p.m.

Wednesday's schedule:
Pomona (2-8) @ La Sierra (1-14) 7:30 p.m.
Oxy (4-6) @ Chapman (11-2) 7:30 p.m.

I meant to post a compliment to Cal Lutheran on its video broadcast of the Buena Vista game on Dec. 30. The picture was sharp, the camera angles were good, and, most important of all, I could clearly see myself in the stands. The announcers Joe Buttita and Chuck Muncie did an excellent job despite not pronouncing Buena Vista in Iowan. (I have just booked a trip to Argentina. I can't wait to go sightseeing in B-yoo-nos Aires.) The CLU videocast was in direct contrast to thoroughly frustrated tigersports' attempt to broadcast the Oxy-UMass game last Friday. Oxy went to all the trouble to refurbish its gym, but neglected to provide tigersports with an Internet connection or even an accessible phone jack so he could do his play-by-play. Well all know what Howard Cossell (http://www.johnspeedie.com/healy/simple.wav) would have said.

Quote from: Titan Q on January 06, 2009, 08:16:26 AM
I'm not sure it was reasonable for me to have gone back to November 28 to read your post about the GSAC (that you quoted above), or to otherwise have known your 30-year history of following the GSAC, going back to Westmont.

First, all of my posts are required reading, and should be catalogued by subject matter and memorized. Second, shocking as this may be, there are actually posters from SoCal who know something about college basketball in SoCal. There are at least two of us who even remember when Cal Lutheran was in the NAIA.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on January 06, 2009, 04:15:39 PM
I may have formerly remembered that . . . but sitting here today, I cannot specifically recall remembering that.

Must get back to my memoirs.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 06, 2009, 05:02:50 PM
Quote from: Sabretooth Tiger on January 06, 2009, 04:15:39 PM
I may have formerly remembered that . . . but sitting here today, I cannot specifically recall remembering that.

Perhaps you misremembered, Roger.

OxyBob

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on January 06, 2009, 06:13:31 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 06, 2009, 03:14:49 AM
Quote from: LogShow on January 05, 2009, 10:56:44 PM
Is CalTech going to get their first win tonight?

The answer is Yes!

Eyewitness report from Pasadena:

Caltech 77, Polytechnic 69

CIT: Matt Dellatorre 27 pts, 10 rebs, 3 assists, 3 steals, Travis Haussler 19 pts, 12 rebs, 2 assists, 5 blocks, Ryan Elmquist 14, Wei Li 11
NYU-Poly: Arjun Ohri 25, Andre Robinson 17 pts, 7 rebs, 3 assists, 3 steals, Anthony Mottola 10

Halftime: CIT 40-24
Rebounds: CIT 38-36
Records: Caltech 1-10, Polytechnic 0-10

Very entertaining game between Caltech and NYU-Poly. CIT got off to a quick 7-0 lead and never trailed in the game. Arjun Ohri's 3-point play brought the Fighting Blue Jays within 7-5, but that's as close they'd get the rest of the night. The Beavers took a 26-12 lead on Travis Haussler's layup at 9:30, stretched the lead to 18, and led 40-24 at the break. In the second half, CIT led 52-37 at 12:25, but NYU-Poly scored 11 straight to close to 52-48 at 8:40. Wei Li's 3-ball broke the scoreless spell for CIT to push the lead back to 7, and the Blue Jays didn't get closer than 4 the rest of the way. The Beavers won it at the free throw line by sinking 28-for-33, while NYU-Poly was only 10-for-20, and missed several chances to close the gap by clanking their FTs.

For Caltech, the Beavers had 4 starters in double figures. Matt Dellatorre scored 27 points on 6-for-13 FGs and 13-for-14 from the line, and also pulled down 10 rebounds. Travis Haussler played a very strong game in the post with 19 points and 12 rebounds, and had 5 blocks. Ryan Elmquist had 14 points on 4-for-6 FGs and 6-for-6 FTs, and made a key basket on a put back with 3 minutes to go. Wei Li scored 11 and hit on 3-for-5 on 3-balls. For Polytechnic, Arjun Ohri played a strong game with 25 points on 10-for-18 FGs and 3-for-3 from the line. Andre Robinson scored 17 and had 7 boards, and Anthony Mottola had 10.

I've now seen Caltech win its last 3 games. I saw CIT break its 207-game losing streak to D-III teams against Bard on 01/06/07, I saw them break an 18-game losing streak against Gallaudet on 12/17/07, and I saw them break a 30-game losing streak tonight. Fear the Beavers!

Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 05, 2009, 05:05:41 PM
Not every post merits a smart-ass response.

Just as my posts don't merit a condescending "there, there" pat on the head from one of the self-appointed mavens of college basketball, while repeating what I already said:

Quote from: OxyBob on November 26, 2008, 04:37:24 PM
SCIAC teams usually struggle against GSAC schools, which is traditionally tough from top to bottom, save for maybe Hope International and Vanguard.

OxyBob

Oh, Snaps, Can some one say "Here comes the sequel to "Quantum Hoops Reloaded" (Title Copyright Mr. Browneagle64..lol, just kidding people)
Congrats to the beaves and all of the SICAC teams who have been getting W's through out these last several weeks, (Been on vacation people)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D O.C. on January 06, 2009, 08:45:19 PM
QuoteNot every post merits a smart-ass response.

To the best of my recollection, I disagree.

So does Robin Williams, I believe.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 07, 2009, 12:35:20 AM
Quote from: David Collinge on January 06, 2009, 12:17:50 PM
Quote from: Titan Q on January 06, 2009, 08:16:26 AMI'm not sure it was reasonable for me to [...] have known your 30-year history of following the GSAC, going back to Westmont. 
For what it's worth, I knew of it, and I'll wager that most if not all of the regulars in this room knew of it too.

Sorry, David. I was not aware that only regulars were allowed to post in this room.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: janesvilleflash on January 07, 2009, 01:29:50 PM
Happened to come across OxyBob's graduation picture.

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi198.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Faa268%2Fkamfl610%2FSmartAss.jpg&hash=85fabb9b15d80f9f2762e90c68f533d61577f803)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on January 07, 2009, 03:01:23 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 06, 2009, 12:46:09 PMThe announcers Joe Buttita and Chuck Muncie did an excellent job despite not pronouncing Buena Vista in Iowan. (I have just booked a trip to Argentina. I can't wait to go sightseeing in B-yoo-nos Aires.)

My understanding is that "Byoona Vista" is in fact the proper pronunciation of the school's name.  I recall a Minnesotan friend living out here making fun of the Iowans' (and what Minnesotan doesn't hesitate to make fun of Hawkeye-Staters) gringo pronunciation of the school's name.

I'm happy to see former Halo announcer Joe ("It's gone for good!") Buttita finally reach that near-pinnacle of broadcasting that Tigersports has.

Btw, kudos to the Oxy athletic department for remedying the broadcast issues in the gym.  I'm informed that the gym will be ready soon, possibly by the CalLu game this Saturday.

Last btw:  we'll have the Chapman game tonight at 7:00.  www.oxybroadcast.com. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hoopsallthetime on January 07, 2009, 03:43:39 PM
So I think I have heard enough of you old men battling it out to see who is more important on this board. Lets try to stay focused on basketball and little less on how Oxybob has hurt your feelings and so on.

Now that the SCIAC season is about to start, I am interested to hear what everyone thinks in regards to how the teams will finish. I have seen all of the SCIAC teams play this year at least 3 or 4 times, and I have somewhat of an idea of how things will finish up. I know I may seem a little bias, but I do believe that CMS has a good chance to win the SCIAC this year. Coach Scalmanini has a great bunch of guards in Toney (SO), Bagby (JR), Faught (JR) and Soldner (SR). Lets not forget about Chris Blees as well, who has the chance to be SCIAC MVP at the end of the year. The other night against La Sierra, I noticed that it will be very tough to throw that zone defense at these great shooters. Looks like the league better be ready for a lot of screens if they want to compete with the stags outside shooting.
I think Cal Lutheran is going to be a tough team to beat as well. They have an great inside game with Meier, and a complimentary shooting guard in Knudsen and Grimm. We will see where both teams are at next Wednesday in Ducey Gym. The team who I believe is the scariest team in the SCIAC is Pomona-Pitzer. They return a few players that went abroad the first semester, and will lean heavily on them to push them towards another title. Adam Chaimowitz leads the team in the scoring, and should push the team to a better second half of the season. Let me know what you all think, and good luck STAGS on the upcoming SCIAC season.

Here is my SCIAC finish

1. CMS
2. Cal Lutheran
3. Pomona-Pitzer
4. Whittier
5. Oxy
6. Laverne
7. Redlands
8. Caltech

Player of the year:

Andy Meier or Chris Blees

First Team:
Kyle Knudsen (Cal LU)
Austin Soldner (CMS)
Andy Meir/Chris Blees
Adam Chaimowitz (PP)
Patrick Coffey (UR)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rook on January 07, 2009, 04:16:25 PM
I've also seen each SCIAC team play this year and here's how I see it.

1. CMS
2. Whittier
3. Cal Lu
4. Pomona
5. Oxy
6. Redlands
7. Caltech

I'll also go out on a limb and say CIT breaks their long SCIAC losing streak.  I can see them competing with Oxy, La Verne and Redlands.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rook on January 07, 2009, 04:28:03 PM
Quote from: rook on January 07, 2009, 04:16:25 PM
I've also seen each SCIAC team play this year and here's how I see it.

1. CMS
2. Whittier
3. Cal Lu
4. Pomona
5. Oxy
6. Redlands
7. Caltech

I'll also go out on a limb and say CIT breaks their long SCIAC losing streak.  I can see them competing with Oxy, La Verne and Redlands.
Forgot La verne

1. CMS
2. Whittier
3. Cal Lu
4. Pomona
5. La Verne
6. Oxy
7. Redlands
8. Caltech
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on January 07, 2009, 11:22:19 PM
Quote from: rook on January 07, 2009, 04:16:25 PM
I've also seen each SCIAC team play this year and here's how I see it.

1. CMS
2. Whittier
3. Cal Lu
4. Pomona
5. Oxy
6. Redlands
7. Caltech

I'll also go out on a limb and say CIT breaks their long SCIAC losing streak.  I can see them competing with Oxy, La Verne and Redlands.

Lol. No wonder you call yourself Rook...... As other poster have told me in the past and am now passing on to you..... Lay off the Kool-Aid Rook.
There's no way that the Beaves beat Oxy, let alone the Leos (Maybe the Pups). If your so called prediction were to happen, I will be happy to gather former Oxy movie Alum's Ben Affleck (who will play the part of Coach Newhall, Luke Wilson as the starting Point guard, Oxybob as Coach Henessey, that kid that won last years American Idol to play the kid who announces games at Rush, and Benicio del torro to play an older and wiser Browneagle64. (oh wait, i hope I really don't look like him in 25 more years. ) lol.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rook on January 07, 2009, 11:49:03 PM
Better get an agent...
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TeeDub on January 07, 2009, 11:59:42 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 06, 2009, 12:46:09 PM
First, all of my posts are required reading, and should be catalogued by subject matter and memorized.

This is very "The Roop"-like...
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on January 08, 2009, 12:19:15 AM
Quote from: rook on January 07, 2009, 11:49:03 PM
Better get an agent...

Hey Tooth,

Aren't you in Law????? If so, wanna represent this young buck if the beaves actually do beat Oxy (which will not happen). I'll make sure that not only do you get money for your legal services but also to give you movie credit in Quantum Hoops Reloaded part Deux, starting Emilio Esteves as Coach E. Lol.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 08, 2009, 10:01:24 PM
Quote from: rook on January 07, 2009, 04:16:25 PM
I'll also go out on a limb and say CIT breaks their long SCIAC losing streak.  I can see them competing with Oxy, La Verne and Redlands.

I know CIT's all excited from beating NYU-Poly, and I admire your sheer audacity and gumption, rook, to make that prediction. By the way, what does Caltech call the "I Hate Taft" drill these days? "I Hate La Sierra"?

Quote from: cmsstag on January 07, 2009, 03:43:39 PM
Here is my SCIAC finish

1. CMS
2. Cal Lutheran
3. Pomona-Pitzer
4. Whittier
5. Oxy
6. Laverne
7. Redlands
8. Caltech


I agree with your order of finish. The Stags can get the upper hand right away by beating Cal Lutheran next Wednesday in the Temple of Doom. The Kingsmen are strong up front with Meier, Van Klaveren and Fisher. The question mark for CLU is their guard play. Now that Pomona got Justin Sexton, Kael Kristof and Gabe Porter back, the Sagehens will definitely be a factor. Whittier has almost everyone back from last season, but can the Poets win conference games on the road? Last season, 1-6, before that, 1-6, before that, 1-6, before that, 2-5. You get the picture. La Verne, Oxy and Redlands are going to have to work like mad to finish in the top 4 and make the conference tournament.

The conference season opens this Saturday. All games at 7:30 p.m.

Cal Lutheran (8-3) @ Oxy (4-7)
Claremont (8-3) @ Redlands (4-7)
La Verne (4-7) @ Whittier (6-5)
Caltech (1-10) @ Pomona (3-8)

Quote from: Jordis Rocks on January 07, 2009, 11:59:42 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 06, 2009, 12:46:09 PM
First, all of my posts are required reading, and should be catalogued by subject matter and memorized.
This is very "The Roop"-like...

I'll take that over being very "Mr. Ypsi"-like any day.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rook on January 08, 2009, 11:38:09 PM
CIT has nothing to lose and everything to gain.  No one expects them to win, but if they catch a few teams on an off night they could pull it off.  That being said, I love the parity the conference looks like it will have this year. 

League play and the post season tourney should be fun to watch.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: elfinley on January 09, 2009, 11:35:06 AM
From Jan. 7th:

Chapman 61, Oxy 46
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 09, 2009, 12:29:57 PM
Quote from: elfinley on January 09, 2009, 11:35:06 AM
Chapman 61, Oxy 46

Chapman was 8-0 vs. the SCIAC this season. Before beating Oxy, Chapman beat La Sierra on Jan 4. Coming up, the Panthers play La Sierra on Jan. 15 before playing La Sierra on Jan. 23. They then play U of Dallas and UC Santa Cruz before playing La Sierra on Jan. 29.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 09, 2009, 12:59:37 PM
Speaking of Chapman, if oldchap is reading this he should know that Ralph Turner has a new breakdown of the Pool B picture (including Chapman) over in the "Bumblin' B's" room under the Multi-Regional Topics header.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldchap on January 09, 2009, 08:03:15 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 09, 2009, 12:59:37 PM
Speaking of Chapman, if oldchap is reading this he should know that Ralph Turner has a new breakdown of the Pool B picture (including Chapman) over in the "Bumblin' B's" room under the Multi-Regional Topics header.

Yes, I am an avid reader of the board because I'm trying to learn as much as possible. As I said before, I'm relatively new at D3 basketball.

Thank you all for contributing to my "education" and by the way, I didn't mean to stir up a big controversy a few days ago regarding my own "whining". Emotions flared up and I figured it would be better if I stayed out of it.  :)

I am very pleased that Chapman is doing so well this year and indeed, I have read the very interesting post speculating on the chances of the various Pool B contenders. I am cautiously optimistic, looking at Chapman's schedule from this point forward. I know that accidents happen, but if we exclude games against NAIA teams such as Vanguard, I think the only team that may cause Chapman a problem is UCSC. Yet, I am confident that Chapman can beat a much improved Santa Cruz team.

It's unfortunate that Chapman this year will not play against Pomona or CLU. Chapman already beat CMS (although in a hypothetical 7 game series, I'm not sure who would be the winner) and it would have been icing on the cake to also beat these other current powerhouses. In regards to Oxy, Chapman was just happy to break a 7 year losing streak against this team. But the players and the coaches also realize that it wasn't the Oxy team of years past and that they are in a rebuilding mode.

Chapman's team is young this year and their bench is deep. They should be even better next year as they are not losing any starters. I don't know enough about this but in my opinion, so far they have shown they belong in the playoffs. Their loss to 15th ranked Whitworth appears worse that it actually was. Chapman can beat them on a good day. Their 3 point shooting in that game was dismal at 13%, while they average over 42% so far in 14 games.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: nwhoops1903 on January 10, 2009, 05:23:55 PM
Quote from: oldchap on January 09, 2009, 08:03:15 PM
... Their loss to 15th ranked Whitworth appears worse that it actually was. Chapman can beat them on a good day. Their 3 point shooting in that game was dismal at 13%, while they average over 42% so far in 14 games.
I think I can speak for all the Whitworth supporters and many NWC conference members, that Chapman had there chance vs Whitworth on a neutral court in their local area and never did they lead or have the score tied vs the Pirates except 0-0.  On a good day, Chapman would need to shoot better than 27.5% from anywhere to compete with Whitworth and the excellent defense Whitworth plays.  On an average day, Whitworth beats Claremont by 10+.  That was the worst 20 minutes (1st half) I think they have played in the last 12 months.  I do, however, continue to be envious of all SCIAC weather. 

Here's to Chapman facing Whitworth in round 1 of NCAA's.  I am all for that. ;D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldchap on January 10, 2009, 06:23:06 PM
Quote from: nwhoops1903 on January 10, 2009, 05:23:55 PM
Here's to Chapman facing Whitworth in round 1 of NCAA's.  I am all for that. ;D

I was at the game and it seems to me that your "attitude" is consistent with the Whitworth supporters I had the "pleasure" to see. Sure, you beat Chapman fair and square and your team has the whole package: inside play, defense, 3-pt shooting. However, you and your friends may gain from a little grace and humility because, in your hypothetical playoff scenario, Chapman may indeed have you eat your words. Whitworth after all could have another one of these "worst 20 minutes" they ever played...
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TeeDub on January 11, 2009, 01:23:36 AM
Great game between Redlands and Claremont tonight (CMS 70 -  UofR 67).  Redlands had two threes in the final ten seconds to put them up, but alas they fell short.  If they can muster up that kind of effort against the rest of the SCIAC, Redlands will win some games and give themselves a shot at the league tournament.  It will be difficult to play with that same intensity every night, but if they do...

Congrats to Claremont on playing tough for 40 minutes on the road. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 11, 2009, 11:20:11 AM
Eyewitness report from Eagle Rock:

Cal Lutheran 53, Oxy 46

Oxy: Sean Anderson 15
CLU: Andy Meier 13, Aaron Van Klaveren 11 pts and 18 rebs, Aaron Fisher 11

Halftime: Oxy 32-25
Rebounds: 36-all
Records: Oxy 4-8, 0-1 SCIAC, Cal Lutheran 9-3, 1-0

Cal Lutheran showed its strength down the stretch and prevailed over Oxy in the SCIAC opener. In the first half the Tigers played their best 20 minutes of the season with a smothering defense which frustrated the Kingsmen. Oxy led 27-25 with about a minute to go, but Henry Meier's jumper and Jack Hanley's 3-ball at the buzzer gave Oxy a 32-25 lead at the break. In the second half, Oxy led 41-35 at 8:20, but Aaron Van Klaveren's banked-in 3-pointer gave CLU a 43-41 lead with 6 minutes to go and the Kingsmen led the rest of the way. While the Tigers kept up their defensive pressure in the second half, Oxy's hesitancy on offense really hurt the Tigers as they managed only 14 points by shooting a paltry 18% on 5-for-28 FGs.

For Oxy, Sean Anderson played a stellar first half with 11 points, but he was held to 4 in the second half and finished with a game-high 15. Justin Goltz pulled down 8 rebounds for Oxy, and Henry Meier played a great game off the bench with 6 points, 6 rebounds and 3 assists, along with his usual high energy overall effort. For CLU, Aaron Van Klaveren was a beast; he scored 11 and grabbed 18 rebounds. Andy Meier scored 13 tough points as Oxy persistently double-teamed and harassed him. Aaron Fisher was the difference for CLU in the second half with 11 points and 4 key FTs to seal the win.

On Wednesday, Oxy will be at Pomona, while Cal Lutheran will travel to Claremont for the first big SCIAC matchup. As Jordis Rocks reported, Claremont survived in its opener with Redlands.

In other SCIAC games, Pomona swamped Caltech 74-24. Justin Sexton had 21 for the Sagehens, who shot 58.7% for the game and held CIT to only 19.5% shooting and 8 baskets. Meanwhile, Whittier got its first conference win with a 67-58 win over La Verne. Keegan Hoover had 18 points and 9 rebounds for the Poets. Billy Nicolini had 16 for the Leopards.

Wednesday's schedule:

Cal Lutheran (9-3, 1-0) @ Claremont (9-3, 1-0)
Caltech (1-11, 0-1) @ La Verne (4-8, 0-1)
Redlands (4-8, 0-1) @ Whittier (7-5, 1-0)
Oxy (4-8, 0-1) @ Pomona (4-8, 1-0)

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on January 11, 2009, 06:28:13 PM
Sounds like the bank was open last night for the Kingsmen. ;D  Glad to see that they came away from the newly remodeled Rush with a win.  Oxy may be a little short handed this year, but Newhall is always able to get the most out of what he has, and with the addition of Goltz (is this his first year playing BB at Oxy?) I am sure the Tigers will, at a minimum, have a significant impact on the conference race.

Looking forward to the Kingsmen's trip to the Temple of Doom, hoping they can sneak out of their with a W.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 12, 2009, 11:31:34 AM
Item about Claremont's win over Redlands from the San Bernardino Sun:

QuoteCMS STARTS SCIAC PLAY WITH NARROW WIN

The Claremont-Mudd-Scripps men looked to have a breather in their opener against University of Redlands, which entered with a losing record. But it didn't turn out that way, as the Stags (9-3, 1-0) had to hold on for a 70-67 win at Currier Gymnasium.

"You have more pressure when you have loftier expectations," CMS coach Ken Scalmanini said. "It's a lot different when people expect you to be good. And give Redlands credit. They were ready to play."

While CMS may not have played its best, Scalmanini said it did play smart down the stretch. Making free throws helped. Jason Toney hit all four tries he had, the first coming with his team up 64-62 and 1:02 remaining.

The veteran coach will be looking for a better rebounding effort as his team lost that department 32-23. The Stags compensated for that by forcing 21 turnovers.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 12, 2009, 06:36:30 PM
The new D3hoops Top 25 is out. Some crumbs thrown the SCIAC's way: Claremont (9-3), which beat No. 24 Whitworth, and which has only one D-III loss to 12-2 Chapman and 2 losses to the GSAC (which, as we learned from one of the resident college basketball mavens, "is one of the top 2-3 NAIA I leagues"), received 5 points in the "Other Receiving Votes" category. (No surprise, Chapman received no votes.) Meanwhile, Carthage (10-3), which was easily beaten by Cal Lutheran (9-3), received 30 points, while CLU got none. And, of course, no surprise again, Illinois Wesleyan (8-5) still got 8 points, no matter how many games they lose.

What a joke.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldchap on January 12, 2009, 11:53:43 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 12, 2009, 06:36:30 PM
The new D3hoops Top 25 is out. Some crumbs thrown the SCIAC's way: Claremont (9-3), which beat No. 24 Whitworth, and which has only one D-III loss to 12-2 Chapman and 2 losses to the GSAC (which, as we learned from one of the resident college basketball mavens, "is one of the top 2-3 NAIA I leagues"), received 5 points in the "Other Receiving Votes" category. (No surprise, Chapman received no votes.) Meanwhile, Carthage (10-3), which was easily beaten by Cal Lutheran (9-3), received 30 points, while CLU got none. And, of course, no surprise again, Illinois Wesleyan (8-5) still got 8 points, no matter how many games they lose.

What a joke.

OxyBob

Amen to this, my friend!!
I wonder if the people who vote even bother to read the boards. Of course, there's a lot of BS to wade through, but there are actual gems of information in there, if you bother to look.

Of course, if you read the response I got from one of the Whitworth supporters, they're God's gift to the world, while Chapman and Claremont are... well, not even on the radar screen.

But, hey! We have the good weather here, so who's complaining...  :D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 13, 2009, 12:09:37 AM
Quote from: oldchap on January 12, 2009, 11:53:43 PM
I wonder if the people who vote even bother to read the boards.

Objective analysis is unnecessary. Shameless homers never let the facts get in the way of what they believe to be true. Example: If you believe that one of your overrated conference teams is No. 7, then when one of your even more overrated conference teams beats overrated No. 7, it justifies voting for the overrated team which beat overrated No. 7, and further justifies the strength of your thoroughly overrated conference.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 13, 2009, 12:12:29 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 13, 2009, 12:09:37 AM
Quote from: oldchap on January 12, 2009, 11:53:43 PM
I wonder if the people who vote even bother to read the boards.

Objective analysis is unnecessary. Shameless homers never let the facts get in the way of what they believe to be true.

Which is exactly why 99% of what's on the boards is useless to a voter, because it's from a shameless homer.

BTW, your vaunted homer votes for IWU came not from within 500 miles of IWU. You'd be surprised how many of your assumptions are baseless, OB.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: West Coast Bias on January 13, 2009, 02:05:26 AM
WHO ARE THESE GUYS????

I was just checking out stats and box scores the other night I realize that I have no idea who anyone is in the SCIAC this year.  Other than Whittier it seems like everyone else is new...

Oxy - Who are Goltz and Hanley?  They hit league play and all of a sudden they have 2 new guys playing 38+ minutes?

Cal Lu - No Owen?  I was expecting the Meier- Owen tandem to dominate the inside.

PP - As Oxy Bob said, they now have Sexton Kristof and Porter back...Where were they?

CMS - 3 of their top 6 players weren't on their roster last year...but they aren't freshman? Transfers?


Is the SCIAC going the way of the GSAC where you never know who is going to be on a roster until you show up at the game that night?


Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 13, 2009, 03:37:50 AM
Quote from: West Coast Bias on January 13, 2009, 02:05:26 AM
WHO ARE THESE GUYS?

Welcome back, WCB.

QuoteOxy - Who are Goltz and Hanley?

Justin Goltz is Oxy's all-conference quarterback who hasn't played basketball since high school. Jack Hanley's the new kid in town. Oxy lost Whitman, Hunt, Sasich, Pitcher, McBride and Impleman to graduation. Conti is in the south of France, and Alexander, Jordan, Schultz and Nip didn't come back for various reasons. Oxy's offense has really struggled. So far watching the Oxy guards is like watching me hit on a woman in a singles bar -- about 35 seconds of passes but little scoring and no penetration.

QuoteCal Lu - No Owen?  I was expecting the Meier- Owen tandem to dominate the inside.

Mychal Owens didn't come back. Neither did Danny Hagen or Lucas Gums, the Ron Lee of the SCIAC. If Owens had stayed and played on the front line with Andy Meier and Aaron Van Klaveren, yikes.

QuotePP - As Oxy Bob said, they now have Sexton Kristof and Porter back...Where were they?

Pomona had players studying abroad and injured. The Sagehens appear to be healthy now. Not good for everyone else.

QuoteCMS - 3 of their top 6 players weren't on their roster last year...but they aren't freshman? Transfers?

Jason Toney, Patrick Lacey and Michael Bagby are all transfers. The Stags look like the team to beat.

Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 13, 2009, 12:12:29 AM
BTW, your vaunted homer votes for IWU came not from within 500 miles of IWU.

I don't care if the votes are coming from Bloomingtom, IL, Bloomington, IN, or any other blooming Bloomington. IWU is 8-5 and in its last 6 games is 3-3 with wins over 0-12 Chicago, 4-7 Illinois College, and 6-11 NAIA Missouri Baptist, and 2 straight conference losses. They shouldn't be getting any Top 25 votes, let alone more than Claremont.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 13, 2009, 10:59:45 AM
I agree. However, your assumption that they are homer votes is pretty far off base, sir.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldchap on January 13, 2009, 01:27:21 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 13, 2009, 12:12:29 AM
Which is exactly why 99% of what's on the boards is useless to a voter, because it's from a shameless homer.

BTW, your vaunted homer votes for IWU came not from within 500 miles of IWU. You'd be surprised how many of your assumptions are baseless, OB.

May I'll sound like a "homer" but according to NCAA statistics, Chapman is second in the Nation in opponents points per game, 19th in win/loss percentage, 19th in scoring margin, 15th in field goal percentage offense, 21st in field goal percentage defense, 10th in 3-pt field goal offense, 2nd in 3-pt field goal defense, 18th in rebound margin, yet they don't garner even one vote for the Top 25.

I understand about strength of schedule but nevertheless, I wonder, compared to other teams which get votes, if there isn't some kind of bias...
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on January 13, 2009, 01:30:35 PM
While acknowledging the limitations of living in SoCal, the D3 wilderness, I do think we have seen enough this year to be have a little perspective on the current Top 25.  Just here in Thousand Oaks we've seen Carthage (who beat #11 Augustana, and got 30 points in the most recent poll) lose to CLU.  We've seen Lawrence (who beat #4 Stevens Point) get thumped by CLU. We've seen #5 Byoooooo-na Vista narrowly escape with wins over PLU and CLU.  If these teams are representative of Top 25 quality play, then I feel confident that the SCIAC is not as far from Top 25 caliber as many would assume.

Yes, the teams we've seen all had to make long journeys to get here  ;), but those games were played on what amounted to a neutral court.  The Gilbert Center is a nice building, but it is so architecturally straightforward that it offers little in the way of home court advantage, especially during the winter break when games draw about 150 fans.

I understand while CLU might not be on a lot of ballots.  Losses to middle of the road teams from Tufts and Pacific don't do them any favors.  CMS, on the other hand is a different story, and has put together a pre-conference record worthy of greater recognition.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 13, 2009, 02:06:40 PM
Quote from: scandihoovian on January 13, 2009, 01:30:35 PM
Yes, the teams we've seen all had to make long journeys to get here, but those games were played on what amounted to a neutral court.  The Gilbert Center is a nice building, but it is so architecturally straightforward that it offers little in the way of home court advantage, especially during the winter break when games draw about 150 fans.

By saying that you are buying into the No. 1 lame excuse for losing -- "We had to travel to get there." The only teams who complain that they lost because they took a plane ride are teams who took a plane ride and lost. Carthage came out to California and played at Redlands and won by 12. No excuses, I assume. The Red Men then had a day off before playing Cal Lutheran, who waxed them. Same goes for Lawrence, who first had a leisurely scrimmage with Caltech and won by 41, rested up for a day and then played Cal Lutheran, who thumped them by 20. Carthage and Lawrence lost for no reason other than CLU was clearly the better team. And travel certainly didn't affect Buena Vista, which won two close games at CLU.

Quote from: scandihoovian on January 13, 2009, 01:30:35 PM
I understand while CLU might not be on a lot of ballots.  Losses to middle of the road teams from Tufts and Pacific don't do them any favors.  CMS, on the other hand is a different story, and has put together a pre-conference record worthy of greater recognition.

Wednesday night: Cal Lutheran (9-3) @ Claremont (9-3). Great match-up in the Temple of Doom. CMS second semester classes don't begin until Jan. 20, so Ducey Gym won't be full of students, but still a definite edge for the Stags. CLU lost 9 straight at Claremont before breaking the streak last season, when they won convincingly. The Kingsmen better be ready to go tomorrow night, unlike they were against Tufts.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on January 13, 2009, 02:21:57 PM
OB-

With our long history of posting together, I would have thought you'd seen my implied  ;).  In response, I've edited my earlier post.  :)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rook on January 13, 2009, 03:37:11 PM
Regarding traveling, the double standard will apply of teams losing because they travled so far and winning because the other team is inferior (obviously).  Until SCIAC teams travel to the Midwest/East and win on the road this will happen.

Only problem is they'll have no one to play as everyone is trying to escape the snow to play out West...
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: April on January 13, 2009, 07:02:30 PM
See new signature.  :D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 13, 2009, 07:03:58 PM
I meant "poisoned", "strange", and "alien" only in the best possible way, of course. ;)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 13, 2009, 07:22:12 PM
Quote from: oldchap on January 12, 2009, 11:53:43 PM
I wonder if the people who vote even bother to read the boards. Of course, there's a lot of BS to wade through, but there are actual gems of information in there, if you bother to look.
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Yep - I know many of us read the boards... but it is the "BS" that makes it hard to take much of the information seriously, sometimes. And of course there are some (OxyBob) who never saw an arguement that wasn't worth making and certainly quick to run from when challenged.

As for the "homers" out there... I was wondering how Goucher got all of those points this week!

For the record I didn't vote for IWU and I didn't vote for any SCIAC team this poll. Reason no SCIAC? Despite many "big" wins, those teams seem to have some "big" losses as well. Speaking of which, while OxyBob doesn't see it necessary to count non-D3 losses in his examples, most pollsters including myself take them into account. CMS - three losses total. Cal Lu - three losses total. Yes - you can make the arguements about those loses, but when I have 35 teams to get into 25 slots, I don't have room for them all. Decisions are made and right now Cal Lu and CMS are on the outside.

Win some more games and show some consistency and trust me, things will change. Keep complaining about the voters and it isn't going to come across as "constructive criticism" or "frustration", but more like someone who isn't looking at the big picture themself and refuses to believe that maybe, just maybe, they are looking through their own rose-colored glasses and can't take those glasses off long enough to hear what voters are telling them.

OxyBob - much of what you are accusing the voters of is stuff many people accuse you of. Take a deep breathe, realize that people have heard your arguements, and relax. If in a few weeks the Top 25 still looks the same and Cal Lu and CMS still playing well, then we can revisit this. Heck, this was the "Week 6" Top 25 Poll, there are usually 14 or 15 total polls... so we aren't even half way!!!

By the way, I made this arguement before and I never got a response from OxyBob on another board. Many voters do consider how a program does in the past when deciding which are the best 25 teams in the nation - especially who we think will be contending for a national title. When was the last time a SCIAC team made any headway in the national tournament? Good records mean one thing, but they can be overrated. A team could be undefeated and lose in the first round of the tournament. That tells me they were overrated and their schedule was soft. Top SCIAC teams tend to have pretty good records, but never go far in the tournament in recent years. That actually means something to voters when analyzing a team's season and schedule. Just a nuggent to pounder.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on January 13, 2009, 07:34:00 PM
Quote from: rook on January 13, 2009, 03:37:11 PM
Regarding traveling, the double standard will apply of teams losing because they travled so far and winning because the other team is inferior (obviously).  Until SCIAC teams travel to the Midwest/East and win on the road this will happen.

Only problem is they'll have no one to play as everyone is trying to escape the snow to play out West...

You bring up a good point, the only thing that will alter any perceptions or misconceptions is start winning games in the NCAA's.

It doesn't help when a team gets touted as being 'strong defensively' such as Whitworth was last year only to see the #2 team from the CCIW beat them in the NCAA's whilst leading scorer posterizes them for 47, and as a whole look completely ordinary.  http://athletics.wheaton.edu/Sports/mbball/mbbarchivedstats/2008/sect1.htm   (I realize they aren't SCIAC)

So while teams go West and look average, the same can be said for teams that go East.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on January 13, 2009, 07:41:36 PM
Quote from: Dave "d-mac" McHugh on January 13, 2009, 07:22:12 PM
Quote from: oldchap on January 12, 2009, 11:53:43 PM

I wonder if the people who vote even bother to read the boards. Of course, there's a lot of BS to wade through, but there are actual gems of information in there, if you bother to look.
Yep - I know many of us read the boards... but it is the "BS" that makes it hard to take much of the information seriously, sometimes. And of course there are some (OxyBob) who never saw an arguement that wasn't worth making and certainly quick to run from when challenged.

As for the "homers" out there... I was wondering how Goucher got all of those points this week!

For the record I didn't vote for IWU and I didn't vote for any SCIAC team this poll. Reason no SCIAC? Despite many "big" wins, those teams seem to have some "big" losses as well. Speaking of which, while OxyBob doesn't see it necessary to count non-D3 losses in his examples, most pollsters including myself take them into account. CMS - three losses total. Cal Lu - three losses total. Yes - you can make the arguements about those loses, but when I have 35 teams to get into 25 slots, I don't have room for them all. Decisions are made and right now Cal Lu and CMS are on the outside.

Win some more games and show some consistency and trust me, things will change. Keep complaining about the voters and it isn't going to come across as "constructive criticism" or "frustration", but more like someone who isn't looking at the big picture themself and refuses to believe that maybe, just maybe, they are looking through their own rose-colored glasses and can't take those glasses off long enough to hear what voters are telling them.

OxyBob - much of what you are accusing the voters of is stuff many people accuse you of. Take a deep breathe, realize that people have heard your arguements, and relax. If in a few weeks the Top 25 still looks the same and Cal Lu and CMS still playing well, then we can revisit this. Heck, this was the "Week 6" Top 25 Poll, there are usually 14 or 15 total polls... so we aren't even half way!!!

By the way, I made this arguement before and I never got a response from OxyBob on another board. Many voters do consider how a program does in the past when deciding which are the best 25 teams in the nation - especially who we think will be contending for a national title. When was the last time a SCIAC team made any headway in the national tournament? Good records mean one thing, but they can be overrated. A team could be undefeated and lose in the first round of the tournament. That tells me they were overrated and their schedule was soft. Top SCIAC teams tend to have pretty good records, but never go far in the tournament in recent years. That actually means something to voters when analyzing a team's season and schedule. Just a nuggent to pounder.

I've seen this "it will sort itself out" used alot but I don't think its unfair to ask what the hell is going on with the poll, when I think some very legitimate issues are being raised.  That excuse can only be used for so long, by now everyone should have a clearer idea of who is worthy of voting and who isn't..........and I've seen some very obvious things that make no sense.

Seven teams from one conference getting votes this late in the year is wholely preposterous in my opinion and I've pointed out 3 teams that shouldn't really be getting any consideration, and thats not even includeing Elmhurst's 3 game skid.

The honest truth is the poll itself has lost a lot of credibility with the d3hoops.com fanbase, based largely on what are viewed as a slant towards one or two regions or one or two conferences............and this year imo its very hard to justify this particular slant.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 13, 2009, 08:38:57 PM
sac - I take exception to two thoughts:

First off, those angry about the Top 25 and feel it has lost its crediability are IMHO a minority. The fact conferences are respected more than others happens in ALL polls. There are some top conferences in D1 that get plenty of props despite the fact that maybe some of those teams don't deserve to be ranked at all. Sure, maybe some voters are putting too many odd CCIW teams in thier ballots, I get that, but we are talking about a couple of points here. There are only a few voters adding that odd team. Heck, until this week I still didn't understand why people were voting for Ursinus - a team in my backyard - and MHB - who was 6-6 entering this week's poll. Those teams are now both out completely. I have even been guilty of putting a team in my Top 25 this season that in hindsight was not a good decision. At the time, the reasoning I had gave me justification to have them on my ballot. If I knew then what I know NOW, they never would have made my pad of notes!

As for "working itself out in the end," it is a very valid arguement. There are 25 different mindsets and ways to breakdown, analyze, and decide on a ballot of 25 teams out of more than 400 total teams with probably 50 or more that may deserve a look. I promise you there aren't two voters out there who have the same way of deciding on those 25 teams. I know my style isn't like Pat's, Bob's, or other voters - it is my style and it is going to result in different results than the rest of the voting panel. And with limited information to base a lot of things on and changes in how teams are doing, voters have a lot to work out. Right now, many people have their minds in different places and it always works it's way out.

I am reevaluating teams I had dropped out of my poll at the beginning of the season and I am reevaluating teams I have in the poll right now. Teams like Randolph-Macon dropped out of my ballot very quickly, but they have changed since November and worked out what wasn't working for them early in the season. They are now playing very well and many coaches I talk are talking about RMC. That development has put them back into my ballot. Where as team like St. Norbert wasn't even on my radar until a week or two ago and now they have played well and convinced me they deserve a spot as well. I also have had teams I was high on for much of the season and understood their flaws - keeping them in the ballot anyway. Centre was one of those and despite a couple of losses, I didn't want to take them out of my Top 25 - they eventually played at a level that convinced me I had to remove them.

This is a fluid situation that is constantly being worked on... so it is eventually going to work out as more voters get more information and get to see these teams under more and more of a microscope. If you ever look at the Top 25 carefully, the "other teams" who receive votes starts out very high at the beginning of a season, but by February that number tends to have dropped as voters "work things out" to determine the top teams in the country. Voters are human and make mistakes as much as the teams out there - give them the chance to work that out.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 13, 2009, 10:42:27 PM
Quote from: sac on January 13, 2009, 07:41:36 PM
by now everyone should have a clearer idea of who is worthy of voting and who isn't

I don't know if that's the case about halfway through the season, with conference play in a couple of significant leagues just starting (or not started at all, as in the NESCAC).

There are a handful of teams borderline worthy of voting, three of which happen to be in the same league and who have one collective head-to-head game between them. Different voters evaluate the results differently, and since there are so few here, that's understandable.

I'm not saying it's not worthy of discussion -- I'm just saying that I don't think there is an answer. I cannot tell a voter not to vote for someone that has reasonable credentials. (I couldn't really tell them not to vote for someone that has unreasonable credentials, though  if someone votes for, say, a sub-.500 team, I'll double-check with them and ask for their reasoning. But am I to tell someone they can't vote for North Central because someone else voted for Millikin? What's the logic there?

I don't for one second believe seven CCIW teams are among the best 43 in the nation, or however many were voted for this week. But aside from IWU, there's a compelling case to be made for each team that got votes.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 13, 2009, 10:51:19 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 13, 2009, 10:42:27 PM
Quote from: sac on January 13, 2009, 07:41:36 PM
by now everyone should have a clearer idea of who is worthy of voting and who isn't

I don't know if that's the case about halfway through the season, with conference play in a couple of significant leagues just starting (or not started at all, as in the NESCAC).

There are a handful of teams borderline worthy of voting, three of which happen to be in the same league and who have one collective head-to-head game between them. Different voters evaluate the results differently, and since there are so few here, that's understandable.

I'm not saying it's not worthy of discussion -- I'm just saying that I don't think there is an answer. I cannot tell a voter not to vote for someone that has reasonable credentials. (I couldn't really tell them not to vote for someone that has unreasonable credentials, though  if someone votes for, say, a sub-.500 team, I'll double-check with them and ask for their reasoning. But am I to tell someone they can't vote for North Central because someone else voted for Millikin? What's the logic there?

I don't for one second believe seven CCIW teams are among the best 43 in the nation, or however many were voted for this week. But aside from IWU, there's a compelling case to be made for each team that got votes.

Now that hurt!  Alas, I agree. :(

Though I don't for a minute think they will ultimately finish 7th. :D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 13, 2009, 11:01:01 PM
Nor do I. Nor do I think they will finish the season on my Top 25 ballot, though, not the way they played the first 13 games.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bombers798891 on January 13, 2009, 11:13:08 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 13, 2009, 10:42:27 PM
Quote from: sac on January 13, 2009, 07:41:36 PM
by now everyone should have a clearer idea of who is worthy of voting and who isn't

I don't know if that's the case about halfway through the season, with conference play in a couple of significant leagues just starting (or not started at all, as in the NESCAC).

There are a handful of teams borderline worthy of voting, three of which happen to be in the same league and who have one collective head-to-head game between them. Different voters evaluate the results differently, and since there are so few here, that's understandable.

I'm not saying it's not worthy of discussion -- I'm just saying that I don't think there is an answer. I cannot tell a voter not to vote for someone that has reasonable credentials. (I couldn't really tell them not to vote for someone that has unreasonable credentials, though  if someone votes for, say, a sub-.500 team, I'll double-check with them and ask for their reasoning. But am I to tell someone they can't vote for North Central because someone else voted for Millikin? What's the logic there?

I don't for one second believe seven CCIW teams are among the best 43 in the nation, or however many were voted for this week. But aside from IWU, there's a compelling case to be made for each team that got votes.

Let me ask this:

D-III sports present a unique challenge for two reasons:

Because of very little press/media, there's no way to really have a ton of knowledge on a wide range of teams who you don't see personally

Because so few teams go out of region, what do we have to compare them to? Would Ithaca be 13-1* if they played a different set of teams? Look at D-IA. Michigan State has played Texas, Kansas, Maryland and North Carolina already. So we're able to gauge how they stack up against those other power teams in other conferences, which gives us a better idea of the relative strength of conferences. There's very little of that in D-III I would suspect.

In a sense, it's a lot of guesswork. Educated? As well as you can be, I suppose. But still guesswork. I'm not faulting any of the voters (see point #1) but how many voters have seen any sort of significant stuff on most Top 25 teams?
Maybe someday D-III could organize some tournaments like the Big-10/ACC challenge to give us better ideas, although the finances may not work for it.

I've never liked polls for these very reasons. It's open to bias, both intentional and unintentional/unavoidable and preseason polls don't help when you have certain suprise teams that have to overcome not being ranked, while other teams that struggle early can be helped by a lofty preseason ranking. Again, to look at IC (I know this isn;t an E8 topic sorry), they didn't recieve a single vote in the preseason poll, now they're #13 and a dodgy halfcourt shot away from possibly being Top 10? After not a single voter thought to themselves before the year: "Hey, I think IC is one of the top 25 teams in the country"? But imagine if they started out #19? Where would they be then? Probably higher. But they'd still be the same team on January, 14, 2008 wouldn't they? Still 13-1 with a close loss?

Honestly, and I can say this as a journalist myself, polls serve a few functions, but one of the ones that no-one talks about is this: It gives journalists and fans something to debate over. It feeds the 24.7.365 news cycle we have. How many hours do fans and journalists talk about who's too high, or too low, or better than a team above them etc? Honestly, no one voter is any more knowledgable or right than the next voter. That's why polls use a bunch. If we were to see the spread of where the various voters put people, we'd be shocked.

I've always said, just win your conference tournament to get into the NCAA's and all the poll whining and complaining are rendered moot.  
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldchap on January 14, 2009, 12:43:28 AM
My apologies if I sound like an inveterate "homer", but looking at the win-loss percentage statistics up to the most recent games, I see that the top 26 teams get votes in the poll, with two exceptions: Chapman (12-2) and Westminster, MO (11-2). A number of other teams also get votes with lower records.

Westminster looks like they built their winning record on below 500 teams and one of their loss came against an unranked team, Hendrix (11-3).

On the other hand, Chapman's only "bad" loss was against whitman (6-7) in a game that saw two of their men (one starter and a bench player) out for 4 games with concussions in the first half. The other loss came against a ranked team, Whitworth. To make things more interesting, Chapman beat Claremont, which received at least one vote, and Claremont beat Whitworth.

I read with interest the pollsters posts and I understand their point of view. This is a difficult job, they do the best they can and I genuinely think that if there is some bias, it is entirely unintentional. I am just here to lobby for my team because it seems that Chapman and the Independents in general don't get the exposure they deserve. According to what I read in the "Bumble B's" thread, it seems that last year, most pundits had Chapman in the playoffs as a Pool B pick, yet the NCAA decided to pass them over.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 14, 2009, 12:51:49 AM
You keep focusing on winning percentage. These aren't standings, however. They're rankings. A gaudy record is not necessarily indicative of a Top 25 team.

You suggest there may be bias on our part against Chapman, yet you correctly note that we projected them to be in the playoff field last year ... which is it?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 14, 2009, 12:56:37 AM
Chapman -- and granted, this is only its regional games, and regional records for the opponents so it doesn't quite include everyone, just 12 of the games -- has the 317th "best" schedule in Division III men's basketball at the moment. Includes games played so far, only.

Westminster (Mo.) is at 399, though they have played even fewer regional games, six.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldchap on January 14, 2009, 01:35:57 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 14, 2009, 12:51:49 AM
You suggest there may be bias on our part against Chapman, yet you correctly note that we projected them to be in the playoff field last year ... which is it?

I didn't mean to come across with an accusing tone. I am trying to learn as much as possible and my comments were merely questions, not accusations.

Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 14, 2009, 12:56:37 AM
Chapman -- and granted, this is only its regional games, and regional records for the opponents so it doesn't quite include everyone, just 12 of the games -- has the 317th "best" schedule in Division III men's basketball at the moment. Includes games played so far, only.

I get your point. I am starting to understand about "strength of schedule". Where did you get these numbers? Are they published somewhere?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 14, 2009, 01:36:49 PM
Quote from: Dave "d-mac" McHugh on January 13, 2009, 07:22:12 PM
Yep - I know many of us read the boards... but it is the "BS" that makes it hard to take much of the information seriously, sometimes. And of course there are some (OxyBob) who never saw an arguement that wasn't worth making and certainly quick to run from when challenged.

As for the "homers" out there... I was wondering how Goucher got all of those points this week!

For the record I didn't vote for IWU and I didn't vote for any SCIAC team this poll. Reason no SCIAC? Despite many "big" wins, those teams seem to have some "big" losses as well. Speaking of which, while OxyBob doesn't see it necessary to count non-D3 losses in his examples, most pollsters including myself take them into account. CMS - three losses total. Cal Lu - three losses total. Yes - you can make the arguements about those loses, but when I have 35 teams to get into 25 slots, I don't have room for them all. Decisions are made and right now Cal Lu and CMS are on the outside.

Win some more games and show some consistency and trust me, things will change. Keep complaining about the voters and it isn't going to come across as "constructive criticism" or "frustration", but more like someone who isn't looking at the big picture themself and refuses to believe that maybe, just maybe, they are looking through their own rose-colored glasses and can't take those glasses off long enough to hear what voters are telling them.

OxyBob - much of what you are accusing the voters of is stuff many people accuse you of. Take a deep breathe, realize that people have heard your arguements, and relax. If in a few weeks the Top 25 still looks the same and Cal Lu and CMS still playing well, then we can revisit this. Heck, this was the "Week 6" Top 25 Poll, there are usually 14 or 15 total polls... so we aren't even half way!!!

By the way, I made this arguement before and I never got a response from OxyBob on another board. Many voters do consider how a program does in the past when deciding which are the best 25 teams in the nation - especially who we think will be contending for a national title. When was the last time a SCIAC team made any headway in the national tournament? Good records mean one thing, but they can be overrated. A team could be undefeated and lose in the first round of the tournament. That tells me they were overrated and their schedule was soft. Top SCIAC teams tend to have pretty good records, but never go far in the tournament in recent years. That actually means something to voters when analyzing a team's season and schedule. Just a nuggent to pounder.

You're all over the place and have written so much out-and-out nonsense that I can't answer it all at once, so I'll do what I can now and maybe come back and write more later.

QuoteBy the way, I made this arguement before and I never got a response from OxyBob on another board.

You wrote a post directed to me? Must have missed it. Sorry.

QuoteAnd of course there are some (OxyBob) who never saw an arguement that wasn't worth making and certainly quick to run from when challenged.

Baloney. Any place, any time, any subject, any forum. You name it, pal.

QuoteSpeaking of which, while OxyBob doesn't see it necessary to count non-D3 losses in his examples, most pollsters including myself take them into account. CMS - three losses total.

More baloney. Actually, that's not baloney, it's pure horsesh!t:

Quote from: OxyBob on January 12, 2009, 06:36:30 PM
Claremont (9-3), which beat No. 24 Whitworth, and which has only one D-III loss to 12-2 Chapman and 2 losses to the GSAC (which, as we learned from one of the resident college basketball mavens, "is one of the top 2-3 NAIA I leagues"), received 5 points in the "Other Receiving Votes" category.

Quote from: OxyBob on January 04, 2009, 03:09:23 PM
It hasn't been a very good nonconference season so far for the SCIAC. Only Claremont (7-3) and Cal Lutheran (8-3) have winning records. The SCIAC is only 33-49 overall (.402), including 1-4 vs. UC Santa Cruz (which has got to be unprecedented), 0-7 vs. Chapman, 0-9 vs. NAIA-1 GSAC teams, and 11-1 vs. 1-12 La Sierra, who Oxy, Redlands, Whittier and La Verne have each played and beaten twice. Not exactly setting the D-III basketball world on fire here.

QuoteWhen was the last time a SCIAC team made any headway in the national tournament? Good records mean one thing, but they can be overrated. A team could be undefeated and lose in the first round of the tournament. That tells me they were overrated and their schedule was soft. Top SCIAC teams tend to have pretty good records, but never go far in the tournament in recent years.

Even more baloney. First, using your example, if a team is undefeated and loses in the first round of the NCAA tournament, that doesn't mean their schedule was soft or that they were overrated. It means they lost a game to another team which may be as good or better. If you truly believe what you said then I don't have much respect for your opinion when it comes to evaluating basketball teams. Second, I don't agree with your opinion of the SCIAC when it comes to the NCAA tournament. I think the SCIAC does as well as the NCAA allows them. I'll use my favorite team, Oxy, as an example:

Last season Oxy was the regular season champ and Pomona was the conference tournament champ and got the AQ. (Cal Lutheran likes to think they were "co-champs" with Oxy, but the Tigers beat the Kingsmen twice in conference, so we all know the real truth, right, scandihoovian?) The NCAA paired Oxy and Pomona in a first round knockout game, and Oxy won a close one at the end. So one SCIAC team cannibalized the other. In the second round Oxy traveled to Whitworth, which got a first round bye. Oxy was only down 6 with 7:30 to go, but they couldn't get over on a darned good Whitworth team. Disappointing, yes, but not a bad result.

(Aside No. 1: Can you imagine the crying, moaning, and whining which would occur if the NCAA paired the CCIW regular season conference champ with the CCIW tournament champ in a first round game, and then made the winner travel to play, say, the WIAC champ, which got a bye? God almighty, you'd hear the high-pitched screeching all the way from Bloomington! Titan Q and Gregory Sager would co-author a book, OUTRAGE!: How the NCAA Screwed the CCIW and Ruined D-III Basketball Forever!)

In 2006-07 Oxy was the SCIAC champ and got the AQ. This was the year of the infamous Mississippi College Debacle. After screwing up the parings, the NCAA went through a bunch of curious (read: bullsh!t) machinations by which No. 2 seed Oxy played host and No. 1 seed Mississippi College in the first round. Oxy played without its SCIAC Player of the Year and D3hoops All-West Region center Sam Betty and lost badly to MC, but even with Betty the Tigers probably would have lost to MC, which was a great team that I saw win the Tom Byron Classic at Westmont, an impressive feat for a D-III team.

(Aside No. 2: Imagine the indignation and fury which would have ensued if the NCAA pairings screw-up had happened to a CCIW team. Oh, the humanity!)

In 2005-06, Claremont won the conference and made the NCAA tournament as the SCIAC AQ, and Oxy also made the field. Again, the SCIAC teams were paired against each other in the first round. CMS got further screwed by having to play the game at Oxy, which has a bigger gym, rather than in its own Ducey Gym, where the Stags enjoy a decided home court advantage. Oxy won a close, low-scoring game. So again one SCIAC team cannibalized the other. In the second round Oxy traveled to Puget Sound, which got a first round bye. Oxy led by 1 with under 6 minutes to go, but UPS ultimately won it by 8. Again, disappointing, yes, but not a bad result.

In 2002-03, Oxy went 14-0 in the conference, hosted Aurora in the first round of the NCAA tournament, and won. The Tigers then traveled to Buena Vista and won again, before losing to Gustavus Adolphus, which lost in the championship game to Williams. I'd say that was a success.

Frankly, now that I wrote this, and after re-reading your comment, I have decided that you really don't know what you're talking about when it comes to the SCIAC.

As for the latest D3hoops Top 25, you vote in a poll which has 7 teams from one conference getting votes. One of them, Illinois Wesleyan, has 5 losses and is 0-2 in the conference. The poll has no credibility, and now you're all upset because posters are calling you on it. Maybe you didn't vote for IWU, but someone did, and those votes are a direct result of Titan Q's and Gregory Sager's endless drumbeating about the CCIW.  Isn't Titan Q a weekly guest on your basketball show? Why, yes, he is, and all you do while he's prattling on and on about the supposed greatness of the CCIW is sit there and agree with him.

QuoteOxyBob - much of what you are accusing the voters of is stuff many people accuse you of.

I don't know what you mean by "many." By many do you mean Mr. Ypsi, who likes to dance around his house in his IWU green-and-white Jockey shorts like Tom Cruise in Risky Business? Lest you think I'm alone in my opinion, well, think again. From the many (meaning way more than a few) e-mails, PMs, text messages, and face-to-face comments I receive from both SCIAC and non-SCIAC fans, players and coaches, all of whom agree with me, I don't really put much stock in "stuff many people accuse [me] of," whatever the heck that means.

QuoteYes - you can make the arguements about those loses, but when I have 35 teams to get into 25 slots, I don't have room for them all. Decisions are made and right now Cal Lu and CMS are on the outside.

I never said that CLU and CMS should be in the Top 25. I said that it was a joke that Carthage and Lawrence received Top 25 votes when CLU received none but had beaten both of them, and I said it was a joke that IWU with 5 losses received more votes than CMS.

I'm tired from writing. I'm going to go take a nap.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 14, 2009, 01:57:29 PM
I know you don't agree with the poll and you rarely have. But your conference hasn't done a whole lot since Oxy's one-year run to disprove it, either.

Just because you and Sac and a couple CCIW haters (let's be honest, you folks are out there) don't like it doesn't mean it doesn't have credibility.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 14, 2009, 02:04:16 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 14, 2009, 01:36:49 PM
QuoteAnd of course there are some (OxyBob) who never saw an arguement that wasn't worth making and certainly quick to run from when challenged.

Baloney. Any place, any time, any subject, any forum. You name it, pal.

I'm waiting for a response here from the other night, where you name-called my argument instead of countering it. When I challenged you ... well, crickets so far ...

http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=4097.msg1015867#msg1015867
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on January 14, 2009, 03:57:51 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 14, 2009, 01:36:49 PM
Last season Oxy was the regular season champ and Pomona was the conference tournament champ and got the AQ. (Cal Lutheran likes to think they were "co-champs" with Oxy, but the Tigers beat the Kingsmen twice in conference, so we all know the real truth, right, scandihoovian?)

Both teams lost at Whittier.  From there, CLU couldn't do what they needed to against Oxy, and Oxy couldn't do what they needed to against the rest of the conference.  So the real truth is that, while the head to head match up favored Oxy, equal 11-3 records make them co-champs.  :)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 14, 2009, 04:36:56 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 14, 2009, 01:36:49 PM
Last season Oxy was the regular season champ and Pomona was the conference tournament champ and got the AQ. (Cal Lutheran likes to think they were "co-champs" with Oxy, but the Tigers beat the Kingsmen twice in conference, so we all know the real truth, right, scandihoovian?) The NCAA paired Oxy and Pomona in a first round knockout game, and Oxy won a close one at the end. So one SCIAC team cannibalized the other. In the second round Oxy traveled to Whitworth, which got a first round bye. Oxy was only down 6 with 7:30 to go, but they couldn't get over on a darned good Whitworth team. Disappointing, yes, but not a bad result.

(Aside No. 1: Can you imagine the crying, moaning, and whining which would occur if the NCAA paired the CCIW regular season conference champ with the CCIW tournament champ in a first round game, and then made the winner travel to play, say, the WIAC champ, which got a bye? God almighty, you'd hear the high-pitched screeching all the way from Bloomington! Titan Q and Gregory Sager would co-author a book, OUTRAGE!: How the NCAA Screwed the CCIW and Ruined D-III Basketball Forever!)

In 2006-07 Oxy was the SCIAC champ and got the AQ. This was the year of the infamous Mississippi College Debacle. After screwing up the parings, the NCAA went through a bunch of curious (read: bullsh!t) machinations by which No. 2 seed Oxy played host and No. 1 seed Mississippi College in the first round. Oxy played without its SCIAC Player of the Year and D3hoops All-West Region center Sam Betty and lost badly to MC, but even with Betty the Tigers probably would have lost to MC, which was a great team that I saw win the Tom Byron Classic at Westmont, an impressive feat for a D-III team.

(Aside No. 2: Imagine the indignation and fury which would have ensued if the NCAA pairings screw-up had happened to a CCIW team. Oh, the humanity!)

In 2005-06, Claremont won the conference and made the NCAA tournament as the SCIAC AQ, and Oxy also made the field. Again, the SCIAC teams were paired against each other in the first round. CMS got further screwed by having to play the game at Oxy, which has a bigger gym, rather than in its own Ducey Gym, where the Stags enjoy a decided home court advantage. Oxy won a close, low-scoring game. So again one SCIAC team cannibalized the other. In the second round Oxy traveled to Puget Sound, which got a first round bye. Oxy led by 1 with under 6 minutes to go, but UPS ultimately won it by 8. Again, disappointing, yes, but not a bad result.

In 2002-03, Oxy went 14-0 in the conference, hosted Aurora in the first round of the NCAA tournament, and won. The Tigers then traveled to Buena Vista and won again, before losing to Gustavus Adolphus, which lost in the championship game to Williams. I'd say that was a success.
For starters, you named one year that was worth mentioning - the year Oxy lost to GA. Outside of that, the SCIAC team lost in the second round. I don't care if they were "not a bad result," it was a loss. How about proving the SCIAC is better than many feel along with the NCAA by winning on a road in a game that matters a TON! It really hasn't happened, expect to Buena Vista - a team I mentioned on several occasions on Hoopsville back in those days as a team that needed to prove something - and never did, especially in the playoffs.

Speaking of Hoopsville, the examples of when you thought the SCIAC got screwed by the NCAA was very hot topic items on the show each of those years. And it was the work of Pat, myself, and others on that show and afterward of Raising Cain that actually got some answers, even if we didn't like them. The Mississippi problem was I am sure raised on Hoopsville and then followed up by Pat and others that made the changes necessary. I vividly remember talking and complaining about these issues on the show, so don't try and pretend that it would ONLY happen if it was in the CCIW. Heck, many people will know I complained then, and joked about it since, when Pat and my alma maters faced off in the second round in the Mid-Atlantic, forcing the third game in ten days between the two squads. The difference between the SCIAC and the CAC at the time, you could move the teams in the Mid-Atlantic FAR easier than the West.

Quote from: OxyBob on January 14, 2009, 01:36:49 PM
Frankly, now that I wrote this, and after re-reading your comment, I have decided that you really don't know what you're talking about when it comes to the SCIAC.
Well, you aren't giving me that much credit, but maybe because you don't know the back story. My brother attended and graduated from Redlands and was a pretty well known fan on the sidelines at Redlands games. As a result, I have picked his brain more than you can imagine about the SCIAC. Now that he has returned to the West Coast (though, in Tacoma), I am always asking for his thoughts from his friends still in the SCIAC and catching games, or other friends who are in the coaching ranks. That along with the number of interviews I have had with SCIAC coaches in the last few years, I feel I at least have an understanding of the conference.

Now, I am not saying I know the conference as well as you, but I don't expect you to have the knowledge I have with the Centennial, CAC, Landmark, or even the MAC or ODAC that I have. However, I would at least hope you have an understanding of those conferences the amount of reading and posting that you do on here. That being said, do you read any of the postings on other sites? It isn't easy to read that much, but you may get to understand there is more than just the CCIW, the WIAC, and the SCIAC in the world that is Division III Basketball.

Speaking of "ducks:"
http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=4097.msg1009803#msg1009803 - you never answered the question until I challenged you here just yesterday!
By the way, in that post you made a smart-ass comment about a "fluff" piece that you claim I did with Rich Rider. Let me check, did I interview a SCIAC team? You aren't even happy when I interview a coach from your conference. Though I can't remember right now, I believe the interview also conincided with another interview I did with the guy who did a documentary about CalTech, so to get another coach's point of view was worthy. Thanks for listening at least once in awhile. I suggest listening as often as possible.

I apologize if you think I have written so much, but after weeks of reading your posts and seeing your lack of following up on posts from those challenging your thoughts, I got tired of sitting down and not writing anything. I will make sure I check with the "edit police" before I post in the future.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TeeDub on January 14, 2009, 10:36:49 PM
Quote from: Dave "d-mac" McHugh on January 14, 2009, 04:36:56 PM
My brother attended and graduated from Redlands and was a pretty well known fan on the sidelines at Redlands games.

...and just possibly the best fan they have ever had...his antics are classic and he was well-connected to the players.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 15, 2009, 04:47:29 AM
WOW... didn't know someone actually knew who I was talking about! Impressed!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on January 15, 2009, 11:08:34 AM
Tough one for the Kingsmen last night, as the Stags used their always tough D to hold serve at home.  Sounds like getting to the Temple of Doom was as bad as playing there.  Here is the game write up (http://www.venturacountystar.com/news/2009/jan/15/turnovers-cost-clu-in-loss-to-cms/) from the VC Star.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 15, 2009, 11:25:46 AM
Last night's scores:

Pomona 70, Oxy 39
P-P: David Liss 26, Justin Sexton 10 pts and 10 rebs
Oxy: Jack Hanley 11
Halftime: P-P 40-12
Rebounds: Oxy 50-34
Records: Pomona 5-8, 2-0, Oxy 4-9, 0-2

A chemical spill on the eastbound 210 thwarted my drive to Pomona, and I suppose I should thank the driver of the overturned semi for sparing me. Oxy only shot 18% and scored 14 points in the second half in the Tigers' loss to Cal Lutheran, and followed that up last night with a 17% and 12 point first half against Pomona. Meanwhile, the Sagehens are now healthy and at full strength and have won 3 straight.

La Verne 90, Caltech 25
ULV: Pierre Baker 12
CIT: Matt Dellatorre 10
Halftime: ULV 50-13
Rebounds: ULV 28-15
Records: La Verne 5-8, 1-1, Caltech 1-12, 0-2

La Verne led 22-0 at 13:30. Everyone got playing time.

Whittier 92, Redlands 61
WC: Travis Crow 22, Marcus Gibson 13, DaMon Perry 12, Keegan Hoover 11 pts and 10 rebs, Jonathan Saucedo 10
UR: Dan Selway
Halftime: WC 61-26
Records: Whittier 8-5, 2-0, Redlands 4-9, 0-2

Whittier shot 61.5% FGs in the first half, including 9-for-15 on 3s. Nice to see that Dan Selway's broken foot has mended and he's back playing for the Bulldogs.

Claremont 59, Cal Lutheran 55
CMS: Jason Toney 12, Connor Faught 11
CLU: Kyle Knudsen 21, Greg Grimm 16, Andy Meier 10
Halftime: CMS 29-28
Rebounds: CMS 27-24
Records: Claremont 10-3, 2-0, Cal Lutheran 9-4, 1-1

SCIAC game of the night at Claremont. In the first half the Stags led by 10 at 11:40, but the Kingsmen cut it to 1 at halftime. In the second half Claremont led by 7 with 1:30 to go, but Greg Grimm's 3-ball with 29 seconds left cut the lead to 2. Austin Soldner and Connor Faught hit a couple of FTs to preserve the win for CMS.

Saturday's schedule, all game times 7:30 p.m.:

La Verne 5-8, 1-1 @ Cal Lutheran 9-4, 1-1
Pomona 5-8, 2-0 @ Redlands 4-9, 0-2
Whittier 8-5, 2-0 @ Caltech 1-12, 0-2
Oxy 4-9, 0-2 @ Claremont 10-3, 2-0

Oooh, I see that there's a Pat Coleman Throwdown and a Dave McHugh Rejoinder. My response upcoming. Stay tuned.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 15, 2009, 03:01:14 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 15, 2009, 11:25:46 AM
Oooh, I see that there's a Pat Coleman Throwdown and a Dave McHugh Rejoinder. My response upcoming. Stay tuned.
What?! Is that a word and what have I exactly "rejoindered?".

You make the term "drama queen" an understatement.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 15, 2009, 03:02:53 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 14, 2009, 02:04:16 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 14, 2009, 01:36:49 PM
QuoteAnd of course there are some (OxyBob) who never saw an arguement that wasn't worth making and certainly quick to run from when challenged.
Baloney. Any place, any time, any subject, any forum. You name it, pal.
I'm waiting for a response here from the other night, where you name-called my argument instead of countering it. When I challenged you ... well, crickets so far ...

QuoteSorry you don't like it but yes, over the course of 10 games teams change. Ask Oxy -- they trailed La Sierra for much of the second half, never led by more than five (at 13-8) and won by three at home in their opener. Then they go on the road a month later and lead almost the entire game (last trailed at 17:36 of the first half) and lead by two possessions or more for almost the entire second half, putting it away at the end. Who's to say that two teams that played in November can't have a different result later in the season?

Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 13, 2009, 12:43:14 AM
Cal Lutheran-Carthage. Played Nov. 24, about 10 games ago for each. What have the teams done since? Recently, Cal Lu lost to Tufts and Carthage beat Augustana. (Also, our SCIAC voter tells me CMS is the best team in the league, so I am voting for CMS instead of Cal Lu, who I voted for the previous week.)

Cal Lutheran lost to Pacific, Buena Vista and Tufts. (Last night they lost to CMS but that wasn't part of the discussion.) With those three losses, I agree that CLU shouldn't have been getting Top 25 votes. That wasn't my beef. I disagreed with the exhaltation heaped on Carthage by a poster because Carthage beat Augustana. It goes back to the circular reasoning and unreasonable and misplaced self-fulfilling expectations of CCIW boosters. Augustana is proclaimed to be great, so if Carthage beat Augustana then Carthage must be great, too. Sorry, I saw Carthage play, and they weren't that great. In fact, they were just OK. So if Carthage beats Augustana, then Augustana ain't that great, OR Cal Lutheran must be pretty darn good. You can't have it every which way.

I think you're right about Claremont; they appear to be the best team in the SCIAC, though the whole league is not the same as last year. By the way, thanks for mentioning Oxy as an example, because the way they're playing it's going to be a long time before they are part of any Top 25 discussions. In fact, the way they're playing they may be part of a discussion that's too horrible to even think about.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 15, 2009, 03:05:05 PM
Quote from: Dave "d-mac" McHugh on January 15, 2009, 03:01:14 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 15, 2009, 11:25:46 AM
Oooh, I see that there's a Pat Coleman Throwdown and a Dave McHugh Rejoinder. My response upcoming. Stay tuned.
What?! Is that a word and what have I exactly "rejoindered?".
You make the term "drama queen" an understatement.

Yes, rejoinder is a word, but it's a noun, not a verb. Relax, I'll get back to you shortly.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 15, 2009, 03:15:54 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 15, 2009, 03:02:53 PM
So if Carthage beats Augustana, then Augustana ain't that great, OR Cal Lutheran must be pretty darn good. You can't have it every which way.

Or Carthage is a different team now than it was on Nov. 24. In the real world, teams don't play exactly the same every single night. That's why filing a Top 25 ballot is so difficult and why the results don't always match every single head-to-head result, Bob.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TeeDub on January 15, 2009, 04:36:53 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 15, 2009, 03:15:54 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 15, 2009, 03:02:53 PM
So if Carthage beats Augustana, then Augustana ain't that great, OR Cal Lutheran must be pretty darn good. You can't have it every which way.

Or Carthage is a different team now than it was on Nov. 24. In the real world, teams don't play exactly the same every single night. That's why filing a Top 25 ballot is so difficult and why the results don't always match every single head-to-head result, Bob.

Pat, this statement is right on the money.  It is the simple, subtle truth that often gets lost in the "who's better than who" argument.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 15, 2009, 05:31:03 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 15, 2009, 03:15:54 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 15, 2009, 03:02:53 PM
So if Carthage beats Augustana, then Augustana ain't that great, OR Cal Lutheran must be pretty darn good. You can't have it every which way.
Or Carthage is a different team now than it was on Nov. 24. In the real world, teams don't play exactly the same every single night. That's why filing a Top 25 ballot is so difficult and why the results don't always match every single head-to-head result, Bob.

Perhaps. There's no way anyone would have voted much for Villanova back in 1985. After all, they were a different team when they lost twice to Georgetown. Or were the Hoyas a different team when they lost to the Wildcats in the NCAA final? I get confused.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 15, 2009, 05:38:19 PM
Either way, OxyBob, there was a difference in the teams - proving the point further!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TeeDub on January 15, 2009, 05:58:35 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 15, 2009, 05:31:03 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 15, 2009, 03:15:54 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 15, 2009, 03:02:53 PM
So if Carthage beats Augustana, then Augustana ain't that great, OR Cal Lutheran must be pretty darn good. You can't have it every which way.
Or Carthage is a different team now than it was on Nov. 24. In the real world, teams don't play exactly the same every single night. That's why filing a Top 25 ballot is so difficult and why the results don't always match every single head-to-head result, Bob.

Perhaps. There's no way anyone would have voted much for Villanova back in 1985. After all, they were a different team when they lost twice to Georgetown. Or were the Hoyas a different team when they lost to the Wildcats in the NCAA final? I get confused.

OxyBob

In the first round of this much-anticipated bout between PC and OB, OB is obviously still stunned by the sharp jab landed earlier...Round 1 goes to PC
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rook on January 15, 2009, 06:10:58 PM
The formula if A > B and B > C then A > C doesn't always work in basketball.

The Indiana Pacers beat both the Celtics and Lakers this year.  Hard to make an arguement that they're better than either of them, but for some reason (they get up for big games, matchups, etc) they just get it done against them.

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 15, 2009, 06:20:52 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 15, 2009, 05:31:03 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 15, 2009, 03:15:54 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 15, 2009, 03:02:53 PM
So if Carthage beats Augustana, then Augustana ain't that great, OR Cal Lutheran must be pretty darn good. You can't have it every which way.
Or Carthage is a different team now than it was on Nov. 24. In the real world, teams don't play exactly the same every single night. That's why filing a Top 25 ballot is so difficult and why the results don't always match every single head-to-head result, Bob.

Perhaps. There's no way anyone would have voted much for Villanova back in 1985. After all, they were a different team when they lost twice to Georgetown. Or were the Hoyas a different team when they lost to the Wildcats in the NCAA final? I get confused.

OxyBob

There exists such a thing as 'upsets' - perhaps you've heard of the concept?  While Villanova won the title, I don't think even Coach Rollie thought they were the 'best' team (I wouldn't have voted them top 10 even AFTER the tourney).

You're placing WAY to much importance on seeing a team once.

d-mac, there may not have even been a 'difference' (in general) between the teams.  No team is totally consistent from game to game (and I seriously doubt 'nova would ever shoot 89% from the field again [or whatever ridiculous % it was]).
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 15, 2009, 09:14:42 PM
From the current issue of Sports Illustrated, Alexander Wolff writes in his article "The Audacity of Hoops":

QuoteOne of the flaws Obama owns up to is "a chronic restlessness." As he made his fitful way after high school, however, basketball abided. He spent two years at Occidental, a small liberal arts college near Pasadena. The first fall he worked out informally with 15 or so freshman hopefuls, many of whom remember his stylish game. He never was on the school team, but he played "noonball" with faculty, students and staff. As Eric Newhall, a professor who played in those games, has put it, "The greatest contribution Occidental has made to American democracy was to help Barack Obama decide that his future wasn't in basketball."

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 15, 2009, 10:29:52 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 15, 2009, 05:31:03 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 15, 2009, 03:15:54 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 15, 2009, 03:02:53 PM
So if Carthage beats Augustana, then Augustana ain't that great, OR Cal Lutheran must be pretty darn good. You can't have it every which way.
Or Carthage is a different team now than it was on Nov. 24. In the real world, teams don't play exactly the same every single night. That's why filing a Top 25 ballot is so difficult and why the results don't always match every single head-to-head result, Bob.

Perhaps. There's no way anyone would have voted much for Villanova back in 1985. After all, they were a different team when they lost twice to Georgetown. Or were the Hoyas a different team when they lost to the Wildcats in the NCAA final? I get confused.

OxyBob

Exactly my point. You can't expect the same result every time -- the most recent data has to be given more consideration than games six weeks ago.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on January 16, 2009, 10:32:12 AM
Not to preempt OxyBob's rejoinder, but I wanted to build off this conversation in a slightly different direction.

It's hard for me to evaluate the west coast Division III teams when casting my ballot, though I try to do the best I can with what I have.  Seeing the rare team who comes to the Philadelphia region helps.  So does the growth of streaming video.  I enjoyed watching CLU play BVU and learned a lot about both teams. 

To mitigate those struggles, I take a close look at the NWC and SCIAC each week to see if there's a team whose Top 25 vote total doesn't match its success and then add them to my ballot.  I've been one of the frequent voters for CMS this year and am one of them now.  As an aside, I haven't voted for Carthage, Millikin or North Central though I obviously have other CCIW teams on my ballot.

I had CMS on my ballot for a while and then dropped them, partly because I thought the performance of other teams, like Roanoke, to that point warranted it and partly because of the back-to-back loses to Concordia (Cal.) and Pt. Loma Nazarene. 

But maybe I made too much of those loses.  I try to review the non-D3 teams' schedules to see how they fare against all the Division III teams on their schedule and then review the Division III teams they play.  But I sometimes get stuck in a loop where I'm trying to evaluate unknown teams with games against other unknowns.

So to OxyBob (or anyone else), what's your take on the common Non-D3 west opponents, particularly in the NAIA?  Where would you slot Point Loma, Westmont and Concordia (Cal.)?  If they were in the SCIAC, would they be the top teams easily?  Competitive but not consistently stronger? Middle of the SCIAC pack?

For example, Titan Q has seen Olivet Nazarene enough to compare them to other CCIW teams.  When he said Olivet would be mid-level in the CCIW this year, I took that into account in assessing the IWU loss.  I would do the same with the observations of SCIAC observers I respect (like OxyBob).

As a general comment, I think our poll is imperfect but still very good, partly because of the geographic balance it achieves among the voters.  I may not know the SCIAC well but I do have a handle on the Atlantic/Mid-Atlantic teams.  Well, most of the time I do. :)  And others can say the same about their region.

Is the poll subjective?  Absolutely.  It's a poll, not standings.  But I think it's generally a good gauge of teams' relative strengths.  Sorry for the long post.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 16, 2009, 10:41:21 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 15, 2009, 06:20:52 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 15, 2009, 05:31:03 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 15, 2009, 03:15:54 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 15, 2009, 03:02:53 PM
So if Carthage beats Augustana, then Augustana ain't that great, OR Cal Lutheran must be pretty darn good. You can't have it every which way.
Or Carthage is a different team now than it was on Nov. 24. In the real world, teams don't play exactly the same every single night. That's why filing a Top 25 ballot is so difficult and why the results don't always match every single head-to-head result, Bob.
Perhaps. There's no way anyone would have voted much for Villanova back in 1985. After all, they were a different team when they lost twice to Georgetown. Or were the Hoyas a different team when they lost to the Wildcats in the NCAA final? I get confused.
There exists such a thing as 'upsets' - perhaps you've heard of the concept?  While Villanova won the title, I don't think even Coach Rollie thought they were the 'best' team (I wouldn't have voted them top 10 even AFTER the tourney).

Wait, so now what are you saying? Are you saying that Carthage's win over Ausgutana was an upset? That certainly doesn't jive with "Carthage is a different team now than it was on Nov. 24." Or are you saying that Cal Lutheran's win over Carthage was an upset? That is more in line with standard CCIW doctrine that any nonconference loss can be excused, justified or explained away for reasons other than the other team was better.

Alas, last night Carthage lost to 5-loss Illinois Wesleyan. This would seem to disaffirm Carthage's greatness as established by its win over Augustana. However, applying the CCIW Theory of Perpetual Greatness, by which "greatness begets greater greatness," Carthage's loss to IWU doesn't diminish Carthage's greatness, but instead reaffirm's IWU's greatness, thereby confirming the greatness of Carthage, IWU, and, as we shall see, Augustana. Similarly, Millikin, whose greatness was affirmed by its win over Elmhurst, lost to North Central, which reaffirms North Central's greatness, while Millikin's greatness remains undiminished. Elmhurst had previously established its greatness, and despite 3 straight losses remains great. Augustana lost last night to Wheaton and has lost 2 straight in conference, but by virtue of its previous win over Elmhurst, which was already great, Augustana retains its greatness.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 16, 2009, 11:25:12 AM
OB, I'm not saying any of the above (you, sarcastically, are).  I'm making the much simpler point: don't read TOO much into ANY one game.  (Plus, point two, don't draw such absolute conclusions from seeing any team once.)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 16, 2009, 11:53:45 AM
For what it's worth, I suspect that a loss to another CCIW team (other than Wheaton) by IWU won't be treated the same as IWU's road losses to two No. 1 teams and losses to two scholarship teams.

Sometimes a voter can excuse that, and I wouldn't personally punish a team for either sets of those individually, but when the losses pile up I have to bail.

Not that I expect OB to care. This is for the rest of you who are interested in the actual poll mechanics.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 16, 2009, 12:00:54 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on January 16, 2009, 10:32:12 AM
So to OxyBob (or anyone else), what's your take on the common Non-D3 west opponents, particularly in the NAIA?  Where would you slot Point Loma, Westmont and Concordia (Cal.)?  If they were in the SCIAC, would they be the top teams easily?  Competitive but not consistently stronger? Middle of the SCIAC pack?

The SCIAC does play some of the teams from the Golden State Athletic Conference. This year the SCIAC was 0-9 against the GSAC:

Concordia 95, CMS 74
Point Loma 81, CMS 74
Concordia 93, Pomona 48
The Master's 88, Pomona 56
Biola 67, Pomona 56
Hope International 74, Pomona 68
Biola 67, Redlands 47
Biola 54, Whittier 46
Azusa Pacific 79, La Verne 70

With a dearth of local D-III competition other than Chapman, La Sierra, and UC Santa Cruz (which is 350 miles away), the GSAC gives SCIAC coaches a chance to fill in some open dates. I have been a fan of the GSAC for a long time. It's a highly competitive league, the teams are fun to watch, and every conference game is played like it's a death match. While it's a good challenge for SCIAC teams, success against the GSAC is rare. Whittier played Biola close this season, and Pomona lost to Hope International before the Sagehens got all of their players back. A SCIAC team may get an occasional win against Hope or Vanguard, but off the top of my head I can't remember the last time a SCIAC team beat Concordia, Biola, Point Loma, The Master's, Cal Baptist, or Azusa Pacific. The big dog in the GSAC is Fresno Pacific, which beat USC a couple of seasons ago. Oxy used to regularly play Westmont but hasn't in awhile, and one of the Westmont coaches always chides me about it when I see him. There was one wacky game several years ago between Cal Baptist and Redlands where CBU scored like 190 points in a game when UR was still the Traveling Freak Show and running the Grinnell System. Jordis Rocks would certainly remember that one and can add his two cents about SCIAC vs. GSAC.

QuoteI had CMS on my ballot for a while and then dropped them, partly because I thought the performance of other teams, like Roanoke, to that point warranted it and partly because of the back-to-back loses to Concordia (Cal.) and Pt. Loma Nazarene.

Concordia and Point Loma are both tough teams. I didn't see either game. CMS got behind early in the game at Concordia, but played them pretty even in the second half. Claremont probably feels that it should have won the game against Point Loma, which they only lost by 7.

As to your question, I think Concordia, Point Loma or Westmont would all win the SCIAC. They are overall too big, fast, and strong for us SCIACers.

OxyBob

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 16, 2009, 12:09:15 PM
I go back to 2000 when the only teams to beat Calvin were two GSAC schools. I never expect any D-III school to beat a top GSAC team.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on January 16, 2009, 12:27:52 PM
OB, Pat:

Thank you very much.  That's very helpful.  I'll recalibrate my evaluation of CMS accordingly.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 16, 2009, 12:37:04 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on January 16, 2009, 12:27:52 PM
OB, Pat:

Thank you very much.  That's very helpful.  I'll recalibrate my evaluation of CMS accordingly.
Ditto.  Thanks for the discussion.  :)

The ASC teams frequently fill their squads with nearby NAIA-1 conferences, such as the Sonner AC, Red River AC and Gulf Coast AC.  I wonder about fair comparisons in those cases. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on January 16, 2009, 01:45:30 PM
Just a few thoughts to add on the GSAC.  NCAA DII basketball has more or less disappeared in SoCal (most of the former DIIs have moved to DI over the last ten years or so).  As a result, I think many DII/low level DI type players wind up in the GSAC, a lot of them after a couple of years at the JC level.  As OB pointed out, their games are like death matches.  With the exception of Azusa, none of them play football, and they take their basketball very seriously.  After all, it's the only show in town, especially for the GSAC members that draw strict social/behavioral boundaries for their students.

I have not seen a lot of NAIA D1 ball outside of the GSAC, but my guess would be that they can hold their own with just about anybody at that level.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on January 16, 2009, 02:23:11 PM
Thanks, Scandihoovian
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 16, 2009, 02:45:17 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on January 16, 2009, 12:27:52 PM
Thank you very much.  That's very helpful.  I'll recalibrate my evaluation of CMS accordingly.

I thought of one other example to think about when considering D-III teams playing against the GSAC. That really great Wooster team of 2006-07 with Tom Port, Tim Vandervaart, and James Cooper came to California undefeated, beat up on Pomona by 20, and then lost to Cal Baptist 94-89. Wooster pretty much played CBU straight up. That year the Lancers finished 3rd in the GSAC and lost in the 2nd round of the NAIA-1 tournament to the eventual champ Oklahoma City.

Also, last season Fontbonne played Hope International and won 66-59, although it should be mentioned that for the season HIU was 1-26 and was sometimes not-so-fondly referred to as "No Hope."

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on January 16, 2009, 02:47:31 PM
Quote from: scandihoovian on January 16, 2009, 01:45:30 PM
Just a few thoughts to add on the GSAC.  NCAA DII basketball has more or less disappeared in SoCal (most of the former DIIs have moved to DI over the last ten years or so).  As a result, I think many DII/low level DI type players wind up in the GSAC, a lot of them after a couple of years at the JC level.  As OB pointed out, their games are like death matches.  With the exception of Azusa, none of them play football, and they take their basketball very seriously.  After all, it's the only show in town, especially for the GSAC members that draw strict social/behavioral boundaries for their students.

I have not seen a lot of NAIA D1 ball outside of the GSAC, but my guess would be that they can hold their own with just about anybody at that level.

I believe the GSAC has 3 teams ranked in the NAIA I poll and two others getting votes.

http://naia.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/011209aac.html
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 16, 2009, 02:50:22 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 16, 2009, 11:25:12 AM
OB, I'm not saying any of the above (you, sarcastically, are).  I'm making the much simpler point: don't read TOO much into ANY one game.  (Plus, point two, don't draw such absolute conclusions from seeing any team once.)

Why are you even bothering anymore, Chuck? OxyBob's paranoia is so full-on that he automatically shuts out anything posted by a CCIW fan. I posted a lengthy explanation in the Top 25 room this past week countering another CCIW fan, cardinalpride, and explaining why I thought the CCIW was probably getting too much support in the last poll. In spite of that, OxyBob saw fit to vent at me in his screed in this room the other day as being yet another inveterate CCIW homer.

It's just not worth it. I enjoy OxyBob's posts for the most part, and he's a great source of game information, but his personal vendetta regarding the Top 25 poll and the CCIW in particular has pushed him to the point where he's beyond being reasoned with on those subjects.

Quote from: scandihoovian on January 16, 2009, 01:45:30 PM
I have not seen a lot of NAIA D1 ball outside of the GSAC, but my guess would be that they can hold their own with just about anybody at that level.

In looking at recent NAIA-1 tournament results on the NAIA website, it appears that the GSAC reps have usually held their own in that tournament. That, plus my memory of those Calvin losses to Biola and Azusa Pacific in 1999-00 and the struggles that good midwestern D3 teams have had against Westmont over the years during snowbird trips, leads me to have a healthy ongoing respect for the quality of ball played by the GSAC.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 16, 2009, 03:11:34 PM
Quote from: scandihoovian on January 16, 2009, 01:45:30 PM
NCAA DII basketball has more or less disappeared in SoCal (most of the former DIIs have moved to DI over the last ten years or so). 

Beg to differ: The CCAA is D-II. This season Oxy played CSU-Dominguez Hills in an exhibition game, and La Verne played Cal State LA. Lots of good basketball played in that conference. Last season the CCAA had the crazy conference tournament where the Nos. 1-4 seeds were all beaten in the first round by Nos. 5-8.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TeeDub on January 16, 2009, 03:55:48 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 16, 2009, 12:00:54 PM
There was one wacky game several years ago between Cal Baptist and Redlands where CBU scored like 190 points in a game when UR was still the Traveling Freak Show and running the Grinnell System. Jordis Rocks would certainly remember that one and can add his two cents about SCIAC vs. GSAC.

OxyBob

Hey, that's completely unfair...they only scored 181.  ;D

Traditionally, I would say that the GSAC is head and shoulders above the SCIAC (sans Hope International).  I believe that a top SCIAC school would have to play their best game every night to finish 5th in the GSAC.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on January 16, 2009, 04:12:50 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 16, 2009, 03:11:34 PM

Beg to differ: The CCAA is D-II. This season Oxy played CSU-Dominguez Hills in an exhibition game, and La Verne played Cal State LA. Lots of good basketball played in that conference. Last season the CCAA had the crazy conference tournament where the Nos. 1-4 seeds were all beaten in the first round by Nos. 5-8.

OxyBob

You're right about the CCAA, I guess it would be better stated to say DII now has a diminished presence.  CSUN, Cal State Bakersfield, UC Riverside, and Cal Poly SLO were some of the former DII schools I was thinking of that have now gone DI.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldchap on January 16, 2009, 09:10:55 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on January 16, 2009, 10:32:12 AM
So to OxyBob (or anyone else), what's your take on the common Non-D3 west opponents, particularly in the NAIA?  Where would you slot Point Loma, Westmont and Concordia (Cal.)?  If they were in the SCIAC, would they be the top teams easily?  Competitive but not consistently stronger? Middle of the SCIAC pack?

I'd like to add in my two cents... Chapman which, as everyone knows, is not in the SCIAC, although they compete against these teams on a regular basis, and has demonstrated over the years that they could belong in the upper-tier of this Conference, plays against GSAC teams every year. This is a necessity, being an Independent, in order to fill your schedule.

This year (08-09) they haven't played any GSAC teams as of yet.  They will play Vanguard and Hope International around mid-February. The last time Chapman beat Vanguard was in 2003 but they did beat them 68-57. Chapman also won against Vanguard in 2002. Chapman has also beat Hope International every year in the last 6 years, but it seems that this team is the perennial loser in the GSAC (they're 0-6 so far this year).

Chapman also plays against NAIA division II teams such as West Coast Baptist and Golden State Baptist, but this is inferior competition generally for SCIAC members as well as Chapman and Chapman ends up winning virtually every single time.

The whole reason for my post here is to toot Chapman's horn a little. While a lot is being debated about whether CLU or Claremont should receive votes this year, I would argue that if they do, then Chapman does deserve some votes too. Over the last 6 or 7 years, It seems that whether it is receiving votes for top 25 consideration or getting a Pool B bid for the playoffs, Chapman doesn't seem to get the "mindshare" necessary to get there. I've heard the argument about strength of schedule and certainly it is a valid one. But if Chapman manages to beat Vanguard this year, or at least play on par with them, then I think they definitely deserve better consideration.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LogShow on January 17, 2009, 12:16:00 AM
Oxybob, I am listening to the UPS-WW game broadcasted by Castle...enjoying him calling them the Whitworth Pirates...and of course all of the great advertisments
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 17, 2009, 12:52:14 AM
Quote from: LogShow on January 17, 2009, 12:16:00 AM
Oxybob, I am listening to the UPS-WW game broadcasted by Castle...enjoying him calling them the Whitworth Pirates...and of course all of the great advertisments

Bob Castle is awesome. But it's not Whitworth Pirates, it's Whitworthpirates. And, yes, I always like to know where I can go when I have an upper extremity injury. And how is it that every business in Spokane seems to be located on N. Division St.?

Quote from: Dave "d-mac" McHugh on January 14, 2009, 04:36:56 PM
Heck, many people will know I complained then, and joked about it since, when Pat and my alma maters faced off in the second round in the Mid-Atlantic, forcing the third game in ten days between the two squads.

Are you talking about the 1999 D-III NCAA Tournament (http://d3hoops.com/archives/mncaa99.htm) which was won by UW-Platteville? If so then you're definitely joking. First, Catholic and Goucher didn't play 3 games in 10 days. They played a conference game on Feb. 6, a conference tournament game on Feb. 27, and a second round NCAA playoff game on March 6. Next, Catholic played Lebanon Valley in a first round playoff game and won. Goucher had a first round bye, and then played Catholic in the second round and lost. That's not even close to the instances of SCIAC teams playing each other in the first round.

Quote from: oldchap on January 16, 2009, 09:10:55 PM
Chapman also plays against NAIA division II teams such as West Coast Baptist and Golden State Baptist, but this is inferior competition generally for SCIAC members as well as Chapman and Chapman ends up winning virtually every single time.

FYI, West Coast Baptist is in the Association of Christian College Athletics, and Golden State Baptist is a member of the United States Collegiate Athletic Association, not the NAIA.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 17, 2009, 10:52:05 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 17, 2009, 12:52:14 AM
Quote from: Dave "d-mac" McHugh on January 14, 2009, 04:36:56 PM
Heck, many people will know I complained then, and joked about it since, when Pat and my alma maters faced off in the second round in the Mid-Atlantic, forcing the third game in ten days between the two squads.
Are you talking about the 1999 D-III NCAA Tournament (http://d3hoops.com/archives/mncaa99.htm) which was won by UW-Platteville? If so then you're definitely joking. First, Catholic and Goucher didn't play 3 games in 10 days. They played a conference game on Feb. 6, a conference tournament game on Feb. 27, and a second round NCAA playoff game on March 6. Next, Catholic played Lebanon Valley in a first round playoff game and won. Goucher had a first round bye, and then played Catholic in the second round and lost. That's not even close to the instances of SCIAC teams playing each other in the first round.

Bob - you need to start reading my entire post. Not sure the year, since it has been awhile, but Goucher and Catholic played the final game of the season against one another, then met in the CAC title game, and then played in the tournament against one another, it may have been closer to 12 days but it did happen - I would know - I announced at least two if not all three of the games at Goucher.

Secondly... read this entire quote again:
Quote from: Dave "d-mac" McHugh on January 14, 2009, 04:36:56 PM
Speaking of Hoopsville, the examples of when you thought the SCIAC got screwed by the NCAA was very hot topic items on the show each of those years. And it was the work of Pat, myself, and others on that show and afterward of Raising Cain that actually got some answers, even if we didn't like them. The Mississippi problem was I am sure raised on Hoopsville and then followed up by Pat and others that made the changes necessary. I vividly remember talking and complaining about these issues on the show, so don't try and pretend that it would ONLY happen if it was in the CCIW. Heck, many people will know I complained then, and joked about it since, when Pat and my alma maters faced off in the second round in the Mid-Atlantic, forcing the third game in ten days between the two squads. The difference between the SCIAC and the CAC at the time, you could move the teams in the Mid-Atlantic FAR easier than the West.

Do you see the part "the difference between the SCIAC and the CAC at the time, you could move the teams in the Mid-Altantic FAR easier than in the West"? In an effort to spell it out for you, I was pointing out that the NCAA does not do as good a job of avoiding conference battles and match-ups in the first two rounds of the tournament, especially with conferences and teams they may have less "respect" for, as many of us would like. In the Mid-Atlantic, the effort is far easier to move teams if the thought is there. The SCIAC and the West Region; far harder thanks mainly to travel considerations.

We have talked to many coaches and administrators on Hoopsville who have talked about this problem, including battles with the NCAA to allow situations like sending a SCIAC team to be sent northwest to avoid a first round game with the other SCIAC team. That proposal was denied by the NCAA for travel cost reasons.

For some interesting insight on the process, here (http://www.d3hoops.com/audio/08/grace022408.mp3) is an interview with NCAA Committee Chair Gary Grace. Parts may frustrate you furthur, but others will at least be interesting to hear.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 17, 2009, 12:37:06 PM
Tonight's schedule, all game times 7:30 p.m.:

Oxy 4-9, 0-2 @ Claremont 10-3, 2-0
Oh, boy, it's time for Oxy's annual trip to Claremont, where the Tigers have lost 5 straight and 10 of the last 12 in the Temple of Doom. Maybe there will be another chemical spill on the 210 and I won't be able to get there in time to watch.

Whittier 8-5, 2-0 @ Caltech 1-12, 0-2
Whittier started the season 0-4 but is 8-1 since and has won 6 straight. Make it 7 after tonight.

Pomona 5-8, 2-0 @ Redlands 4-9, 0-2
Pomona has won 3 in a row. Redlands gave Claremont all it could handle in the SCIAC opener, but wasn't ready to go against Whitter and got swamped.

La Verne 5-8, 1-1 @ Cal Lutheran 9-4, 1-1
Cal Lutheran's first home game after 4 straight on the road, where the Kingsmen went 2-2. CLU and ULV had some common D-III nonconference opponents: The Leopards beat Tufts while CLU lost to the Jumbos, but ULV lost to UC Santa Cruz while the Kingsmen beat the Banana Slugs.

Quote from: Dave "d-mac" McHugh on January 17, 2009, 10:52:05 AM
Not sure the year, since it has been awhile, but Goucher and Catholic played the final game of the season against one another, then met in the CAC title game, and then played in the tournament against one another, it may have been closer to 12 days but it did happen - I would know - I announced at least two if not all three of the games at Goucher.

Never happened.

Quote from: Dave "d-mac" McHugh on January 17, 2009, 10:52:05 AM
For some interesting insight on the process, here (http://www.d3hoops.com/audio/08/grace022408.mp3) is an interview with NCAA Committee Chair Gary Grace. Parts may frustrate you furthur, but others will at least be interesting to hear.

Gary Grace!? Hahahahahahahahaha! For two years in a row that guy and his lame committee couldn't even release a tournament bracket with the correct pairings! Hahahahahahahahaha! Thanks for the morning laugh.

Quote from: Dave "d-mac" McHugh on January 17, 2009, 10:52:05 AM
In an effort to spell it out for you, I was pointing out that the NCAA does not do as good a job of avoiding conference battles and match-ups in the first two rounds of the tournament...

The rules don't require avoiding same conference match-ups in the second round, only the first round:

Quote
Pairings and Site Selection
Once automatic qualifiers are identified and the Pools B and C teams are selected, the following guidelines should be followed:
• Teams will be grouped in clusters according to natural geographic proximity. Teams will then be paired according to geographic proximity. A team may be moved to numerically balance the bracket if geographic proximity is maintained. Teams should be paired and eligible sites should be selected according to geographic proximity (within 500 miles).
• Teams may be seeded on a regional basis using the regional selection criteria. However, geographic proximity takes precedence over seeding.
• Teams from the same conference do not have to play one another in the first round as long as geographic proximity is maintained.
• The highest-seeded team that meets all selection criteria (and after a review of the submitted host materials) will be selected as the host institution, provided geographic proximity is maintained.

"Teams from the same conference do not have to play one another in the first round as long as geographic proximity is maintained," is otherwise known as the "SCIAC Exception."

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 17, 2009, 02:12:48 PM
OxyBob - not saying Grace and his committee are perfect, but knowing some of the members on the national committee right now, I assure you that many of the issues we have had in the past are being addressed. At the same time, did you ever listen to the interview - then or now? At least listen to it so you can hear his answers to some issues. You blame people for not having all the information, listen to him so we can't say the same about you.

I find it often you are more interested in complaining and treating other opinions as if they were nuclear waste. Could you at least learn to have a constructive conversation!

As for the conference match-ups... I NEVER said it was a rule, but in plenty of conversations I have had with former and current committee members, they do make an effort to avoid conference match ups even in the 2nd round. Why? Because we all point out the fact that some very good conferences have very good teams eliminating themselves early on in tournaments. That point is certainly understood and I believe respected. But the reality is that travel considerations are a part of the equation and that is were the SCIAC usually ends up having problems with the tournament. Do I have a solution? Not with the current situation with the NCAA and travel? Do you have a solution, OB? I haven't heard one that is viable. If you have one, tell us and then tell the NCAA and maybe your idea can be considered - unless you act them in the same manner you attack people who don't agree with your thoughts.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 17, 2009, 02:43:26 PM
OB would rather name-call than listen to your silly little interview, Dave.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 17, 2009, 05:56:07 PM
True, true, Pat. True, true!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: West Coast Bias on January 17, 2009, 06:16:33 PM
A few interesting topics that I would like to tackle.  Seems like a lot of Chicken or Egg arguments here...

1) Chapman has been and is just like the teams in the top half of the SCIAC each year (OXY CMS CLU and PP recently).  But they play a much weaker schedule.  It is a catch 22 for them.  They need to have a stand out record to get in as a Pool B independent, so they play La Sierra, West Coast Baptist, Santa Cruz and U Dallas multiple times each year.  Even the GSAC teams they play are the two worst in the league.  I am yet to see them play Concordia Azusa or Biola.  But their weak schedule really hurts them in the QOWI when it comes to NCAA time.  Tough being an independent.

2)  The Midwest/East coast folks says to the SCIAC "win more games in the NCAA and you will get more respect".  Fair enough.  But every year the SCIAC has to play their 1st round games on the road.  Home teams win more often than road teams.  I don't care if it is a snowbird team coming west over the breaks or a SCIAC team going east for the tournament.  Home teams win more.  

3)  When the SCIAC does get 2 teams in, they play each other in the 1st round.  Tough for a conference to gain respect with a deep run when one of your two teams WILL be out in the 1st round.  The solution?  There isn't one.  The NCAA has made it clear that travel is the first criteria for 1st round pairings.  Tough pill to swallow?  Yup.  Unfair?  Maybe.  But it is the system.  It is not going to change.  Constantly complaining about it just makes the West Coast look like whiners.

4)  I enjoy the top 25 polls as much as anyone.  And it is always nice to see some West Coast representation on there.  I am grateful to the voters.  They take their job seriously and do the best they can.  But at the end of the day, the D3hoops top 25 poll doesn't mean anything.  Its not like this is the football BCS where the polls count toward postseason births.  Enjoy the poll for what it is.

5) I feel for my man Oxy Bob.  Life is tough for D3 teams on the West Coast.  Its tough when you feel like something you are passionate about is being discredited and degraded.  I have been reading these boards for awhile and it sure does seem like the posters from the other regions rationalize their losses with the "travel" argument when they lose out west.  And then scoff at the SCIAC when they make the same claim about NCAA tournament games.  But unlike my boy Bob, I don't think the NCAA, D3Hoops and the rest of the basketball community is conspiring to keep the SCIAC down.  There are no real answers to these debates, which is why they are fun to discuss.  

At least the SCIAC hasn't followed Utah's lead and filed an anti-trust lawsuit against the NCAA...
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldchap on January 18, 2009, 12:29:44 AM
What??? Oxy beat Claremont??? At Claremont???   :o  I'm surprised there's no comments in here yet...

That sure is going to add some fuel to the Top 25 debate... ;D Hey, Chapman beat both teams anyway, so...  8)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TeeDub on January 18, 2009, 12:30:54 AM
Redlands played a very good 20 minutes to start the game against Pomona Pitzer tonight and went into halftime with a 38-30 lead.  Unfortunately, the games are 40 minutes long and PP put it on the Bulldogs in the second half, outscoring the dogs 41-19 in the half and winning the game 71-57.  Sexton scored a bunch and the guards at PP just can't be left alone or they will bury the three.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TeeDub on January 18, 2009, 12:31:55 AM
Quote from: oldchap on January 18, 2009, 12:29:44 AM
That sure is going to add some fuel to the Top 25 debate...

Or it might finally empty the tank...
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rook on January 18, 2009, 01:25:22 AM
Tough game for CIT tonight versus Whittier.  Whittier forced 39 turnovers and pressed until the final buzzer.  Next up for CIT is Cal Lu at home this Wed.

The conference is shaping up to be very exciting this year.  Anyone can be beaten on any iven day.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 18, 2009, 03:05:46 AM
Eyewitness report from Claremont:

Oxy 52, Claremont 51

The Tigers broke their 5-game losing streak to the Stags at Claremont in steamy, hot, stuffy Ducey Gym with an exciting one-point nail-biter. In the first half it looked like it was going to be another long night in the Temple of Doom for Oxy. CMS led 20-8 at 4:30, but the Tigers outscored the Stags 8-4 and only trailed 24-16 at the break. Neither team shot well; Oxy shot 23% on 6-for-26, but Claremont wasn't any better, only hitting 24% on 7-for-29. The Tigers opened the second half on a 9-3 run and trailed 27-25. Jack Hanley's 3-point play gave Oxy the lead 30-29 at 15:40, but CMS pushed it back to 38-32 at 13:25. Oxy tied it at 38 on Evan Shore's jumper, and Justin Goltz's jumper tied it up again 40-40 at 9:00. The game see-sawed back and forth the rest of the way. Claremont led 43-42 at 6:50, but a minute-plus later Oxy took its biggest lead of the game at 46-43. The Stags scored 6 straight and led 49-46 with 2:40 left. Oxy came back with 4 straight; Dave Ostrow's 2 FTs with 1:25 to go gave Oxy the lead 50-49. Claremont went ahead 51-50 on the shot of the night by Jason Toney -- a beautiful drive to the basket ending with an acrobatic one-handed scoop shot. Oxy's Sean Anderson was fouled with a minute to go and he knocked down the FTs and Oxy led 52-51. After a Claremont miss, Oxy got the ball back with about 45 seconds left. The Tigers were patient but shot and missed, and the Stags had the ball and a chance to win it with 10 seconds left. CMS shunned a timeout and instead got the ball to Toney, who drove the length of the floor and got underneath, but his shot was blocked, and Oxy came away with the upset win. Great job, Tigers!

For Oxy, Sean Anderson had 20 points on 7-for-12 FGs, 6-for-7 FTs, and 8 rebounds, all while being double- and triple-teamed, mugged, and having guys draped all over him the entire game. Jack Hanley had 16. Justin Goltz only scored 2, but had 11 rebounds. Clark Gordon played an inspired game off the bench; he scored 4 and grabbed 8 rebounds in 10 minutes. Oxy outrebounded CMS 46-31, and won the game at the free throw line, hitting 13-of-14 while Claremont was only 16-for-23 FTs. For Claremont, Connor Faught scored 13, but he was only 3-for-13 FGs, as he and his teammates had a miserable night from the floor, only shooting 29.6% for the game on 16-for-54 FGs. Jason Toney had 9 points and 4 assists, and Patrick Lacey supplied some muscle with 6 rebounds along with 6 points.

Oxy is now 5-9 and 1-2 in the SCIAC. Claremont falls to 10-4 and 2-1. Next Wednesday the Tigers are home to Whittier, while CMS will be at the Rains Center against cross-campus rival Pomona.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on January 18, 2009, 12:11:48 PM
Bob,

Thank you so much for the Eyewitness report. I was so looking forward in making my first ever trip to the "Temple" as this is probabily the only SCIAC venue I have never stepped foot in. However, I've been ill since friday and have been trying to recover. Hope you and all the other SCIAC fans/ stag fans had fun watching that game. I'll be on the look out for you and any poet posters on wednesday at Rush Gym.

Congrats Tigers, Hens, Poets and other that won last night.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 18, 2009, 02:23:46 PM
Quote from: Dave "d-mac" McHugh on January 17, 2009, 02:12:48 PM
OxyBob - not saying Grace and his committee are perfect, but knowing some of the members on the national committee right now, I assure you that many of the issues we have had in the past are being addressed. At the same time, did you ever listen to the interview - then or now? At least listen to it so you can hear his answers to some issues. You blame people for not having all the information, listen to him so we can't say the same about you.

I listened to the interview. You gave Grace the once over lightly treatment and completely let him off the hook for the Mississippi College debacle from 2007. Grace said that the bracket screw-up was a mistake and that schools from the same conference aren't supposed to play each other in first round games. You just accepted his excuse and didn't ask him how a regional committee didn't know that Miss. Coll. and UHMB are in the same conference. You also failed to follow-up and ask him about how after they realized the mistake they further screwed up by pairing MC with Oxy and UMHB with Maryville, instead of MC vs. Maryville and Oxy vs. UHMB. Heck, PC previously addressed the issue:

Quote
Mississippi College Bracket

Messiah (19-6) at Catholic (22-5), Alvernia (23-4) vs. Lincoln (18-8)
Villa Julie (20-7) at Johns Hopkins (23-4), Manhattanville (23-5) vs. Guilford (21-4)
Averett (20-6) at Virginia Wesleyan (23-4), Hood (21-7) vs. Hampden-Sydney (18-10)
Occidental (19-5) at Mississippi College (25-2), Maryville, Tenn. (21-6) vs. Mary Hardin-Baylor (21-6)

Every time I look at the bottom matchup I get more frustrated. So the NCAA "fixed" its error in matching conference opponents up in the first round and instead makes the top two teams in the criteria face each other while the bottom two face each other.

The correct matchup, according to the criteria, would've been to put Occidental against Mary Hardin-Baylor and Maryville against Mississippi College. The makeup of committees past and present makes this "fix" suspicious.

You didn't question Grace at all about the whole mess. Why not?

QuoteAs for the conference match-ups... I NEVER said it was a rule, but in plenty of conversations I have had with former and current committee members, they do make an effort to avoid conference match ups even in the 2nd round. Why? Because we all point out the fact that some very good conferences have very good teams eliminating themselves early on in tournaments. That point is certainly understood and I believe respected. But the reality is that travel considerations are a part of the equation and that is were the SCIAC usually ends up having problems with the tournament. Do I have a solution? Not with the current situation with the NCAA and travel? Do you have a solution, OB? I haven't heard one that is viable. If you have one, tell us and then tell the NCAA and maybe your idea can be considered - unless you act them in the same manner you attack people who don't agree with your thoughts.

I'm not inclined to research it, but I'm sure there are numerous instances of conference foes facing each other in the second round. There'd have to be in a tournament which is seeded regionally rather than nationally like in D-I. Off the top of my head I remember that Cal Lutheran played Linfield in the first round, and Linfield won and then played Lewis & Clark in the second round.

There is no "solution" with the NCAA travel restrictions. It's a money issue, which I get. I wouldn't spend the money either. On the other hand, because of those restrictions I wouldn't lazily be hauling out trite talking points like "What has the SCIAC done lately?" when SCIAC teams have to cannibalize each other in the first round.

I do have one suggestion: Teams which get a first round bye should not also get a second round home game. If you get a bye, then you should have to play at the winner of the first round game.

Quote from: Browneagle64 on January 18, 2009, 12:11:48 PM
Thank you so much for the Eyewitness report. I was so looking forward in making my first ever trip to the "Temple" as this is probabily the only SCIAC venue I have never stepped foot in. However, I've been ill since friday and have been trying to recover.

Hope you're feeling better. Oxy played a great second half to pull the game out against CMS. The Stags used Sean Anderson like he was a 6'10" coat rack, but he able to work around it.

Here is Wednesday's schedule, all games at 7:30 p.m.:

Whittier (9-5, 3-0) @ Oxy (5-9, 1-2)
Cal Lutheran (10-4, 2-1) @ Caltech (1-13, 0-3)
La Verne (5-9, 1-2) @ Redlands (4-10, 0-3)
Claremont (10-4, 2-1) @ Pomona (6-8, 3-0)

OxyBob


Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on January 18, 2009, 10:30:09 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 18, 2009, 02:23:46 PM


I'm not inclined to research it, but I'm sure there are numerous instances of conference foes facing each other in the second round. There'd have to be in a tournament which is seeded regionally rather than nationally like in D-I. Off the top of my head I remember that Cal Lutheran played Linfield in the first round, and Linfield won and then played Lewis & Clark in the second round.


Just  fyi, Hope and Calvin have met 6 times in the second-round of the NCAA tournament, 3 times under the pools format, the only 3 times both made the tournament in the same year.

I don't really recall it happening much to the OAC or NCAC schools, or the CCIW for that matter.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 19, 2009, 06:14:05 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 18, 2009, 02:23:46 PM
I do have one suggestion: Teams which get a first round bye should not also get a second round home game. If you get a bye, then you should have to play at the winner of the first round game.
OB - sorry, but I don't follow the logic on this one. Maybe you can help me out. But, first off, the reward for the first round bye (which there is one less team who will enjoy that this year with 60 teams making the field) should also be a home game. That is the reward for a good season - for the most part. Secondly, I don't see how this would solve travel problems. You still have a team traveling. If you are comparing it to when the thought of sending a SCIAC team up to the Northwest for a first round game and back to another SCIAC team in the second-round was vetoed by the NCAA, it still wouldn't have made a difference. Your plan would still require too many travel trips for the NCAA to allow. Your theory could have ended up sending two SCIAC teams Northwest in three days if the SCIAC team in the first-round lost.

Maybe I am not following this thought of yours completely, so please explain it better. But I just don't see how that will solve any of the travel concerns or first-round bye/conference foe problems the NCAA still has to deal with.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on January 19, 2009, 10:51:26 AM
First-round byes are not necessarily rewards for a good season.  Out West, they are often used to solve travel problems.  A typical Far West Regional would be two SCIAC teams meeting in round 1, then traveling to the northwest to face the NWC champion, who received a first-round bye, despite being something like 21-5 and ranked in the 20's (don't start--I know the rankings are not a factor).  (It could just as easily be the reverse; two NWC teams and one SCIAC; the analysis applies with equal force.)  Rarely is the NWC team in this scenario considered to be a top-five national team, and generally has no better credentials than the SCIAC champ.  (In fact, you could argue that they may have had a weaker conference, given that the SCIAC had a Pool C and the NWC did not.)  And yet they get to sit out round one and then play round two at home. 

Bob's suggestion, which costs no extra as it only reverses the direction of travel in the second round, would make this a fairer bracket, one that doesn't over-reward one team for its geographic isolation.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 19, 2009, 12:15:38 PM
West Coast Bias, I just thought I'd point out that your post on Saturday was excellent. And David made a good point this morning about how first-round byes are often identical rewards that are handed out to two completely different sets of teams, the elite and the geographically isolated non-elite.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pineconefan on January 19, 2009, 12:18:47 PM
Over-reward a team for geographic isolation?  I can't believe I actually just read those words.

Last season was by far the exception.  The rule for us geographically challenged schools is more like 2003, when a higher seeded Whitworth team had to go out and play Gustavus in the first round because the winner of that game was set to go to Wisconsin.

More often than not, this geographic isolation works against the NWC and the SCIAC both.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 19, 2009, 12:25:44 PM
Quote from: pineconefan on January 19, 2009, 12:18:47 PM
More often than not, this geographic isolation works against the NWC and the SCIAC both.

I'm not saying that it doesn't, and I don't think that David was, either. But it's an inescapable fact that sometimes a geographically-isolated team gets a first-round bye in spite of not having primary-criteria credentials that are as good as those of another team that is forced to play in the first round.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 19, 2009, 09:55:44 PM
From an article in the Los Angeles Daily News:

Quote
Obama spent time at Occidental College

Barack Obama spent just two years at Occidental College, but that time is considered a key period on the path that will lead to his inauguration as president Tuesday.

Obama has credited the small liberal arts college in Eagle Rock with transforming him into a serious student and an activist headed for a career in public service.

"It was when I made a conscious decision: I want to grow up," Obama told Newsweek in a March 31 story that featured his freshman picture on the cover.

Obama attended Occidental from 1979-81, then transferred to Columbia University, where he received a bachelor's degree in political science in 1983.

In a May 18 commencement speech at Wesleyan University, Obama said during his first two years of college "values of hard work, honesty, empathy and compassion finally resurfaced after a long hibernation."
...

Although Obama has not been back to Occidental since transferring in 1981, there are several connections to him there, Colleen Sharkey, Occidental's associate director of communications, said.

Roger Boesche, who taught Obama his first political science class, still teaches at Occidental.

"He's incredibly proud and happy to see that Obama's talking about Lincoln and the Federalist Papers and other things that he began to learn about at Occidental," Sharkey told City News Service.

Brian Newhall, the Occidental men's basketball coach and a classmate of Obama, and his brother, Eric, a professor of English and comparative literature, both played pickup basketball against Obama in their undergraduate days, Sharkey said.

Occidental has "an open invitation" to Obama to visit the campus, Sharkey said. "We hope in the next few years that he'll be able to fit that in," she said.
...

Obama's inauguration will make Occidental College the third West Coast college or university with an alumnus who became president, joining Stanford University (Herbert Hoover) and Whittier College (Richard M. Nixon).
...

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 19, 2009, 11:50:40 PM
OB,

As I am an enthusiastic Obama supporter, did you have to remind me (on the night before our inauguration party) that the other two Presidents with California college ties were Hoover and Nixon? :o ;)

Nonetheless, I have "the audacity of hope". ;D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on January 20, 2009, 12:00:44 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 19, 2009, 09:55:44 PM
From an article in the Los Angeles Daily News:

Quote
Obama spent time at Occidental College

Barack Obama spent just two years at Occidental College, but that time is considered a key period on the path that will lead to his inauguration as president Tuesday.

Obama has credited the small liberal arts college in Eagle Rock with transforming him into a serious student and an activist headed for a career in public service.

"It was when I made a conscious decision: I want to grow up," Obama told Newsweek in a March 31 story that featured his freshman picture on the cover.

Obama attended Occidental from 1979-81, then transferred to Columbia University, where he received a bachelor's degree in political science in 1983.

In a May 18 commencement speech at Wesleyan University, Obama said during his first two years of college "values of hard work, honesty, empathy and compassion finally resurfaced after a long hibernation."
...

Although Obama has not been back to Occidental since transferring in 1981, there are several connections to him there, Colleen Sharkey, Occidental's associate director of communications, said.

Roger Boesche, who taught Obama his first political science class, still teaches at Occidental.

"He's incredibly proud and happy to see that Obama's talking about Lincoln and the Federalist Papers and other things that he began to learn about at Occidental," Sharkey told City News Service.

Brian Newhall, the Occidental men's basketball coach and a classmate of Obama, and his brother, Eric, a professor of English and comparative literature, both played pickup basketball against Obama in their undergraduate days, Sharkey said.

Occidental has "an open invitation" to Obama to visit the campus, Sharkey said. "We hope in the next few years that he'll be able to fit that in," she said.
...

Obama's inauguration will make Occidental College the third West Coast college or university with an alumnus who became president, joining Stanford University (Herbert Hoover) and Whittier College (Richard M. Nixon).
...

OxyBob

I like the sound of that....

Im sure you other old folk on this board can attest to living through both Hoovers and Tricky's terms.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 20, 2009, 10:26:55 AM
Quote from: David Collinge on January 19, 2009, 10:51:26 AM
First-round byes are not necessarily rewards for a good season.  Out West, they are often used to solve travel problems.  A typical Far West Regional would be two SCIAC teams meeting in round 1, then traveling to the northwest to face the NWC champion, who received a first-round bye, despite being something like 21-5 and ranked in the 20's (don't start--I know the rankings are not a factor).  (It could just as easily be the reverse; two NWC teams and one SCIAC; the analysis applies with equal force.)  Rarely is the NWC team in this scenario considered to be a top-five national team, and generally has no better credentials than the SCIAC champ.  (In fact, you could argue that they may have had a weaker conference, given that the SCIAC had a Pool C and the NWC did not.)  And yet they get to sit out round one and then play round two at home. 

Using last season as an example, both Oxy (.528, .531) and Pomona (.559, .516) had a higher OWP and OOWP than Whitworth (.464, .501), while Whitworth (.783) had a better regional win-loss percentage than Oxy (.778) or Pomona (.565). Oxy was ranked 3rd in the regional rankings while neither Whitworth nor Pomona were ranked. Since Chapman didn't get a Pool B bid and Cal Lutheran didn't get a Pool C bid, under the bean counter travel rules adopted by the NCAA, it made sense to have Oxy and Pomona play each other in the first round, and give Whitworth a bye. But it would not have been unfair, nor violated the NCAA's precious, sacrosanct rules, to have had Whitworth travel to play the winner of Pomona vs. Oxy.

(Before the squawking seagulls from the NWC get their panties in a bunch, let me do some preemptive unbunching and say that this is for discussion purposes only, that I didn't have a problem with the Pirates getting a bye, and that Whitworth had a good team and beat Oxy fair and square.)

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 21, 2009, 12:11:35 PM
Tonight's conference schedule, all games at 7:30 p.m.:

Whittier (9-5, 3-0) @ Oxy (5-9, 1-2)
Whittier has won 7 straight and 9 of 10 since starting the season 0-4, the only loss coming to 13-2 Chapman. The Poets have lost 8 straight at Oxy, and, except for the away game at Caltech, WC hasn't beaten another SCIAC foe on the road the past 3 seasons. A Whittier basketball historian can correct me, but I believe this is the first time the Poets have been 3-0 in the conference in Rock Carter's 15 years as head coach. Oxy is coming off an upset win at Claremont and should be brimming with confidence. Whittier is the best offensive team in the SCIAC (77.6 ppg) while Oxy has the best defense (63.2 ppg). The Tigers' problem hasn't been their defense but their inability to score, as they've averaged only 55.5 ppg.

Cal Lutheran (10-4, 2-1) @ Caltech (1-13, 0-3)
This will be no sweat for CLU. Andy Meier leads the SCIAC in scoring (18.3 ppg) and rebounding (10.7 rpg); his teammate Aaron Van Klaveren is second in the conference in rebounds (8.4 rpg). For CIT, Matt Dellatorre is averaging 14.9 ppg and 87.9% FTs, but the Beavers only average 48.4 ppg and give up 80.4.

La Verne (5-9, 1-2) @ Redlands (4-10, 0-3)
La Verne played CLU even for the first 15 minutes this past Saturday, but the Leopards got down before the half and weren't able to come back. Billy Nicolini (14.5 ppg) and Kyle Luhnow (14.2 ppg) lead ULV's offensive effort, while Matt Dietrich has put up 16.9 ppg for the Bulldogs.

Claremont (10-4, 2-1) @ Pomona (6-8, 3-0)
Game of the night between the cross-campus rivals. CMS is no doubt still smarting from its loss at home to Oxy, and doesn't want to go down 2 games to Pomona, which has won 4 straight. Sharp-shooting Adam Chiamowitz leads the Sagehens with 16.7 ppg. Pomona is the best 3-point shooting team in the SCIAC (40.1%). Claremont is second in the SCIAC in scoring (73.4 ppg).

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rook on January 21, 2009, 02:31:45 PM
OB,
I agree CIT has a tough task ahead of them tonight.  The only sliver of hope I see is CLU doesn't have much depth.  They really only played 7 guys in their win against La Verne Saturday (Kyle Knudson DNP for whatever reason).

Should be a good game between Oxy and Whittier.  Looking forward to your report tonight.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldchap on January 21, 2009, 03:02:20 PM
Quote from: rook on January 21, 2009, 02:31:45 PM
Should be a good game between Oxy and Whittier.  Looking forward to your report tonight.

A little outsider opinion here: I have seen both Oxy and Whittier play against Chapman, and I agree with rook, it is going to be a great game. Oxy gave Chapman fits in the first half, leading by 12 I believe at one point. But, as the game wore on, some key players on the Tigers started getting in foul trouble and Oxy eventually fell behind to never come back. Whittier on the other hand never led by much but kept the pressure all the way until the end of the game. The lead by one team or the other stayed in single digits pretty much the entire game. Looking at both games, it felt that Whittier could have won, had Chapman not shot incredibly well from 3-pt range (nearly 70% for the game). Oxy must not have been in their best of form when they played Chapman, because I still can't believe they beat Claremont, who I think, out of all the SCIAC teams I've seen this year, appears to be the strongest and the likeliest to win a title (I haven't seen CLU yet). On a side note, Chapman scrimmaged Pomona early in the season and easily beat them. I later found out that Pomona was missing 3 of their best players to abroad studies...
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 21, 2009, 03:08:32 PM
Quote from: rook on January 21, 2009, 02:31:45 PM
I agree CIT has a tough task ahead of them tonight.  The only sliver of hope I see is CLU doesn't have much depth.  They really only played 7 guys in their win against La Verne Saturday (Kyle Knudson DNP for whatever reason).

You're right about CLU's depth. They only have 12 guys on their roster, and Rich Rider usually only plays 7, maybe 8.

Nice article in today's Ventura County Star about CLU's coaching staff:

QuoteStability staple of this staff at CLU

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         Bob Massell                    Geoff Dains

By the standards of major-college coaching, where staffs can have the lifespan of a mayfly, the idea is unthinkable. Even in the less volatile Division III environment, it's unusual.

It's called stability — and it's at the core of the Cal Lutheran men's basketball program.

This is the 13th season together for head coach Rich Rider and his lead assistants, Bob Massell and Geoff Dains. Massell has been on the staff for all of Rider's 15 years at CLU. Dains arrived two years later as a graduate assistant, and distinguished himself enough to join the staff thereafter.

"It's a plus for the university and it really is helpful for recruiting, scouting and all aspects of your program," Rider says. "It gives consistency and experience and stability.

"When you hire assistants, you hire two things. You hire energy and loyalty. These guys are off the charts in both those areas."

It has been a winning combination. From the time Dains came on board in the summer of 1996 through last Saturday's win over La Verne, CLU is 213-111, with two conference championships and six second-place finishes.

"It's like a hand and a glove," says Massell, explaining the comfort level between the three men. "You play off of each other. You know the types of players that fit in Coach Rider's system. You know the league, you know what it takes, you know the right match of student for Cal Lutheran."

Says Dains: "It's big in the recruiting aspect. I don't know how many times we'll have a young man and his parents in the office, and they'll ask Coach Rider, 'Do you plan on being here?' And it's easy for him to say, 'Coach Dains has been with me for 12 years, Coach Massell has been here as long as I have, and I don't plan on going anywhere.'"

Massell and Dains have overlapping responsibilities in scouting and recruiting but distinct outlooks.

For Massell, coaching is a full-fledged passion but a part-time job; he has a career at the Port Hueneme naval base.

"I'm a team lead for logistics," Massell says. "It's a fancy title for ensuring that our ships are equipped with systems so that when they're under way, they're able to meet their mission."

He began there after graduating from Weber State in 1987 and entered coaching as an assistant at Camarillo High under John Harbour and Mike Prewitt. Several stops later, he joined Rider's staff.
...

Dains calls Massell "the Energizer bunny. He has endless amounts of energy. He's got such a passion for the game."

Rider agrees, though Massell's Navy compatriots may not appreciate how he makes the point: "He's like the army: He gets more done before 9 o'clock than most guys do all day."

This may well be true, since Massell starts work at 6 a.m. at the base. By 2 p.m., he's on his way to CLU, where he'll spend a few hours at practice or recruiting before heading home.

"I'm still home by 6 with my family," Massell says. "It's a long day, but I can't imagine any other way to spend my day. Fortunately, my wife love sports, and I've worked for two bosses in 24 years, and they know my passion is coaching."

That's also true for Dains, although the younger man — a 1995 graduate of DePauw University — aspires to be a Division III head coach.

"You get to see people grow as a whole within a small community," he says, "and I'm looking for that kind of environment. When that window of opportunity opens I'm going to jump at it."

In the meantime, he's happy where he is: "Every year, I'm learning something new from Coach Rider. It doesn't matter whether it be on the court or off the court."

Dains' responsibilities have grown considerably since his first year as a graduate assistant, when then-assistants Travis Showalter and Matt Purdy explained his position in simple terms: "Keep your eyes open, your mouth shut and do what you're told," Dains recalls, laughing.

That meant doing a lot of grunt work — data input, video preparation, letter writing — but in the second year, Showalter and Purdy moved on, and even as a graduate assistant, Dains assumed a much larger role.

Rider tells players and coaches to make themselves invaluable, and by the end of the second year, Dains had done that. So Rider found a way to keep him, through a gradually expanded group of jobs at CLU including teaching and overseeing the students who work part-time staffing CLU sporting events.
...

"He was kind of like a dry sponge in search of water," says the head coach. "Each year I kept expanding his duties, to keep him growing, and he's grown into where he's definitely head coaching material."

Until that day comes, the Kingsmen will — with Rider, Massell and Dains — continue to enjoy a stability that's hard to match.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 22, 2009, 04:09:40 AM
Eyewitness report from Eagle Rock:

Oxy 68, Whittier 60

Oxy: Jack Hanley 21, Sean Anderson 17 pts and 18 rebs, Justin Goltz 11 pts and 7 rebs, Peter Gierlach 12
Whittier: Mike Archuletta 14 pts and 11 rebs, Marcus Gibson 10

Halftime: Whittier 26-22
Rebounds: Oxy 42-26
Records: Oxy 6-9, 2-2 SCIAC, Whittier 9-6, 3-1

Oxy played another strong defensive game, holding offensive-minded Whittier to only 34% shooting, snapped the Poets' 7-game winning streak, and handed WC its first conference loss. In the first half, the game was tied at 12, but WC ran off 8 straight and led 20-12. The Poets still led it by 8, 24-16, at 3:15, but the Tigers cut it to 2 on Peter Gierlach's jumper, and trailed by 4 at the half. In the second half, the game was tied 43-43 at 11:40; Oxy went on a 12-3 run and led 55-46 at 5:00. Whittier cut it to 55-50, but a layup and a dunk by Sean Anderson gave the Tigers a 60-50 lead with 2:30 to go, and the Poets weren't able to close the gap. Oxy made it tougher on themselves with poor FT shooting in the second half on only 16-for-29 (55%).

For Oxy, Jack Hanley led all scorers with 21, including 2-for-3 on 3-balls and 9-for-10 FTs. Sean Anderson played great on both ends; he scored 17, grabbed 18 rebounds, and had 3 assists, a block and a steal. Peter Gierlach had 12, and Justin Goltz pitched in with 11 points and 7 rebounds. For Whittier, hard-nosed Mike Archuletta had 14 points and 11 rebounds, Marcus Gibson had 10, and Jonathan Saucedo had 9 off the bench on 4-for-5 FGs.

This Saturday, Oxy is home to Caltech, while Whittier hosts Pomona.

Speaking of Pomona, the Sagehens are all alone in first place after beating Claremont, 66-51. Jeremy Namkung and Adam Chiamowitz each had 17, Gabe Porter had 10, and Justin Sexton scored 11 and had 9 rebounds for Pomona. Austin Soldner has 24 for the Stags. Pomona has won 5 straight and is looking good.

Matt Dietrich scored 20 to lead Redlands to a 76-59 win over La Verne. Patrick Coffey added 19 and Breck Mahoney scored 15 for the Bulldogs. Billy Nicolini had 17 and Tyler Hoyt scored 11 for ULV. Redlands snapped a 4-game losing streak; La Verne has lost 2 straight and 4-of-5.

Andy Meier and Marquis Johnson each scored 16 for Cal Lutheran in the Kingsmen's 77-52 win over Caltech. Meier was 7-for-7 FGs as CLU shot 74% in the first half and 64% for the game. Travis Haussler scored 16 and Ryan Elmquist and Wei Li each had 10 for the Beavers.

Saturday's schedule, all games at 7:30 p.m.:

Redlands (5-10, 1-3) @ Cal Lutheran (11-4, 3-1)
Caltech (1-14, 0-4) @ Oxy (6-9, 2-2)
Claremont (10-5, 2-2) @ La Verne (5-10, 1-3)
Pomona (7-8, 4-0) @ Whittier (9-6, 3-1)

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on January 22, 2009, 02:34:04 PM
OB - Thanks for the updates!

Looks like Whittier continues to struggle on the road, and that, as usual, Coach Newhall will make sure Oxy is a factor in conference play, even though their talent level may not be quite what it has been in the past.

I think the most classic SCIAC scenario, though, is the one unfolding at PP.  Kats' teams have long been the masters of following a mediocre pre-conference showing with a strong in-conference performance.  This year, with perhaps their 3 best players returning just in time for conference play from overseas, is the absolute icing on the cake.  I can see it now. PP finishes the year at 12-2 (they do have to play CLU twice    :D), or better, in the conference, but 15-10 overall.  Members of the selection committee, unaware of the three musketeers triumphant return, look at PP and say "Whadda ya know, it's another mediocre autobid SCIAC champ - let's send them to play the #1 team in the region at 3 in the afternoon after taking a red eye so we don't have to pay for a hotel."

In other news, I see that Carthage beat Wheaton. ;)

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 22, 2009, 03:47:53 PM
Quote from: scandihoovian on January 22, 2009, 02:34:04 PM
In other news, I see that Carthage beat Wheaton.

scandi, your sarcasm is palpable. One, don't read TOO much into ANY one game. Plus, point two, don't draw any conclusions from seeing any team once. Carthage is a different team now than it was on Nov. 24 when CLU whipped them.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rook on January 22, 2009, 06:06:23 PM
OxyBob,
You guys are playing well and probably fall into the "team no one wants to play right now" category. 

CIT is going to have a tough time Saturday but I think they'll at least compete.  Looks like their game against CLU wasn't too bad and I'd say Oxy and them play somewhat similar styles.

My prediction is Oxy will be 5-2 going into the second round of league play.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: snoop dawg on January 22, 2009, 11:31:34 PM
Dont be surprised if Geoff Dains is a head coach soon. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 23, 2009, 12:30:14 PM
Article from the Pasadena Star News, posted at 10:51 p.m. this past Wednesday:

QuoteWhittier College could contend for SCIAC title

The Whittier College men's basketball team is 9-5 overall, 3-0 in conference and harboring aspirations of conference championships.

It is easy to understand why.

"Right now, we're pretty much clicking on all cylinders," coach Rock Carter says. "We're shooting the ball well, we're playing good team basketball, we're giving a good defensive effort.

"If you're doing all those things, it usually will produce some wins."

Carter, asked about which teams might be the biggest obstacles, hesitated to single out any of the other Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference (SCIAC) teams.

"Of course, there's always the big three, Claremont, Pomona Pitzer and Cal Lutheran," he said. "You probably have to start with them, but really, I'm concerned about all of them. Our conference champion last year was 10-4, and I see probably the same thing this year."

Carter said he doesn't feel his team can be intimidated by any of them.

"I think we can play with them," he said. "We have to play well to do it, but I'm sure that the other five (SCIAC) coaches would say the same thing. It makes every game a big game."
...

Whittier played at Occidental College Wednesday and hosts Pomona Pitzer at 7:30 p.m. Saturday.

First off, a correction: Oxy and Cal Lutheran were 11-3 last season, not 10-4, though as scandihoovian hates to admit, Oxy beat CLU twice.

The "big three"?! Them's there fightin' words, coach. Scoreboard, baybee!

Item from the "Local colleges roundup" in the Inland Valley Daily Bulletin:

QuoteCMS-POMONA-PITZER MEN

Adam Chaimowitz and Jeremy Namkung scored 17 points apiece to lead the Sagehens to a 66-51 victory over Claremont-Mudd-Scripps on Wednesday. Pomona-Pitzer (7-8, 4-0) made 11 of 21 3-point attempts in the game, compared to only eight of 22 from 2-point range. The Stags (10-5, 2-2) were led by Austin Soldner, who had 24 points and seven rebounds.

From someone who was there: "The crowd was great. The Pomona student side was completely full. The Stag's lack of firepower and interior size really showed. CMS closed within 5 a couple of times in the second half, but couldn't put enough consecutive scoring trips together. The Hens' guards did most of the damage, but Coach Kat wasn't happy with their shot selection. Overall, Pomona played pretty sloppy and was lucky that CMS didn't find a way to climb back in the game."

Quote from: OxyBob on January 21, 2009, 03:08:32 PM

QuoteStability staple of this staff at CLU

That's also true for Dains, although the younger man — a 1995 graduate of DePauw University — aspires to be a Division III head coach.

Quote from: snoop dawg on January 22, 2009, 11:31:34 PM
Dont be surprised if Geoff Dains is a head coach soon. 

Talk about going out on a limb with a prediction.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 23, 2009, 01:02:07 PM
A rare Caltech sighting in Randy Harvey's "Totally Random" column in the Los Angeles Times:

QuoteThey were ready to sing after this win

They got a name for the winners of the world.
I want a name when I lose.
They call Alabama the Crimson Tide.
Call me Deacon Blues.


Steely Dan might have to rewrite those lyrics after Wake Forest was voted No. 1 this week in college basketball...

Oh, what? Never mind. The Deamon Deacons lost on Wednesday night at home to Virginia Tech and play No. 2 Duke in their next game.

Deacon Blues indeed.

But Wake Forest's loss wasn't the upset of the night.

That came when the New Jersey Institute of Technology broke its 51-game NCAA losing streak with a 61-51 victory over Bryant (No Relation to Kobe) University.

That was the top news story Wednesday on New Jersey's Institute of Science & Technology website.

The rest of the headlines concerned, well, science and technology.

Perhaps someone there can explain this from the same Steely Dan song:

This is the day of the expanding man.

Trivia time

Who has the longest losing streak in NCAA college basketball history?
...

Trivia answer

NJIT's 51-game streak would be a Division I record.

But the Highlanders are in only their third season in the top division, not long enough to have their records count. Sacramento State holds the official Division I record at 34.

And finally

The NCAA's all-division record is 117, held by Division III Rutgers-Camden. Caltech, also Division III, actually lost 207 consecutive games against NCAA opponents before breaking the streak with an 81-52 victory over Bard College on Jan. 6, 2007.

But only 59 of the losses counted toward the record because of a 2004 win over Life College of San Dimas, a non-NCAA team.

Interestingly, Donald Fagen and Walter Becker aka Steely Dan attended Bard.

QuotePerhaps someone there can explain this from the same Steely Dan song:

This is the day of the expanding man.

According to Fagen: "Well, the idea of the song was about the kind of alienated kid out in the suburbs who was looking for some art of alternative values and turns to jazz and hip culture as something to grab on to. And the basic idea is that there's a kind of culture of losers that he'd rather be part of than the general way of life in America."

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: snoop dawg on January 23, 2009, 04:12:48 PM
OK...good point....I should have said, sooner than you might think"
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 24, 2009, 12:56:49 PM
Tonight's schedule, all games at 7:30 p.m.:

Redlands (5-10, 1-3) @ Cal Lutheran (11-4, 3-1)
Kyle Knudsen scored 21 in the Kingsmen's loss to Claremont on Jan. 14, but didn't play in the two wins against La Verne and Caltech. CLU is 7-1 at home this season, the only loss to Buena Vista by 3, and should hold home court against Redlands.

Caltech (1-14, 0-4) @ Oxy (6-9, 2-2)
Oxy has struggled to score, but had its best offensive half so far in the win against Whittier; the Tigers shot 64% on 14-for-22 in the second half. Starting forward Henry Meier sprained his ankle in the first minute of Oxy's win at Claremont; he didn't play against Whittier and is out indefinitely. Caltech is looking for its first conference victory since 1985. Sorry, CIT, not tonight.

Claremont (10-5, 2-2) @ La Verne (5-10, 1-3)
Poor shooting did in the Stags in their loss to Pomona. Austin Soldner scored 24, but Michael Bagby, Jason Toney and Chris Blees were a combined 6-for-32 (19%) and only 1-for-11 on 3-balls. La Verne's only notable win was against 7-9 Tufts, notable only because the Jumbos then beat CLU.

Pomona (7-8, 4-0) @ Whittier (9-6, 3-1)
First place at stake in the SCIAC. Whittier came into the game against Oxy 3-0 in conference, but there were lots of long faces when the Poets left Rush Gym with yet another SCIAC road loss. DaMon Perry, averaging 10.2 ppg off the bench, didn't play in the loss to Oxy. Pomona's record is misleading; four of Pomona's eight losses are to GSAC teams. In the last 7 games, the Sagehens' Justin Sexton has averaged 15.5 ppg.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rook on January 24, 2009, 03:47:16 PM
Redlands vs. CLU is a contrast in styles.  I don't think Redlands can hang with CLU's bigs, but then again, if Redlands guards play well the game CLU's depth will be tested and thus the game will be closer than a lot of people think.

CIT vs. Oxy doesn't look as tempting as it did a couple weeks ago.  Last time it appeared CIT could/maybe/hopefully/wishful thinking compete with Oxy, but as the season has progressed, Oxy has definitely come together and I hate to use the word "Sleeper" to win the SCIAC.  Both teams like a slower than average pace, and if Oxy offense is like it's been the past few games, and CIT plays as usual, expect a low scoring game.

Claremont vs La Verne should be a good game.  Claremont needs a get well game, and La Verne is losing momentum quickly.  If La Verne hits some 3's and Clarmont continues it latest woes it'll be close.  I see Claremont pulling it out by 10.

Pomona vs Whittier.  Whittier had the unfortunate schedule of playing La Verne, Redlands and CIT to build up some false confidence.  After a tough loss they're playing arguably the hottest and toughest team in the conference, albeit at home.  Don't be suprised if you see the former 1st place Whittier team finish the first half of league play 3-4 with games at Claremont and against CLU after tonight's game against Pomona.  They might be fighting for a top 4 finish the second half of league play.  Tonight is a HUGE game for them...



Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 25, 2009, 02:58:32 AM
Eyewitness report from Eagle Rock:

Oxy 94, Caltech 40

Oxy: Jack Hanley 19, Sean Anderson 12
CIT: Ryan Elmquist 16

Halftime: Oxy 47-21
Rebounds: Oxy 35-19

Oxy left no doubt in this one. The Tigers led 25-3 at 8:40 and cruised to an easy win. All 14 Oxy players scored. Jack Hanley led the way with 19 points on 8-for-11, plus 5 assists. Sean Anderson had 12 for his third straight game in double figures. Justin Goltz continued to impress with his exceptional athletic play. He pulled down 14 rebounds, scored 6, had 6 assists, and a couple of Kevin Love-like full court outlet passes. Blake Moore had 9 on 3-for-5 on 3-balls. Dave Ostrow was 4-for-4 FGs, and Clark Gordon and Sam Kesten played well off the bench. For Caltech, Ryan Elmquist played a solid game with 16 points, 3 rebounds, and a couple of blocks. Oxy held Travis Haussler to only 2 points on 1-for-8, and did a good job denying Matt Dellatorre the ball and held him to just 5.

With the win, Oxy is 3-2 in conference and moves into a tie with Claremont behind Whittier, Pomona and Cal Lutheran, all of which are 4-1.

Speaking of Whittier and Pomona, the Poets rebounded from their disappointing loss to Oxy by defeating the Sagehens, 91-84, in the GAC. Whittier had four starters in double figures: Travis Crow had 19, Mike Archuletta and Keegan Hoover each scored 18, and Marcus Gibson had 10. Hoover also had 10 rebounds. Jeff McLean scored 13 off the bench, and the Poets made 21 of 22 FTs. For Pomona, Adam Chiamowitz had 27 on 8-for-13 FGs and 5-for-9 on 3s, Gabe Porter scored 24 on 9-for-10 from the floor, and Justin Sexton had 10 points and 8 rebounds. Whittier snapped Pomona's 5-game winning streak.

Cal Lutheran led from start to finish against Redlands, handily beating the Bulldogs 69-52. Andy Meier had 23 and Kyle Knudsen returned to the CLU lineup and scored 17. CLU led by 9 at halftime and then pulled away in the second half. For Redlands, Matt Dietrich had 11 and Patrick Coffey scored 10.

Claremont bounced back from losses to Oxy and Pomona with a 71-54 win at La Verne. The Stags put a close game away with an 18-3 run over 5 minutes in the second half. For CMS, Chris Blees had 23 points and 8 rebounds, Connor Faught had 14, and Patrick Lacey scored 10. For ULV, Matt Heyd had 14 and Kyle Luhnow scored 10.

Wednesday's schedule:

Pomona (7-9, 4-1) @ Cal Lutheran (12-4, 4-1)
Caltech (1-15, 0-5) @ Redlands (5-11, 1-4)
Whittier (10-6, 4-1) @ Claremont (11-5, 3-2)
Oxy (7-9, 3-2) @ La Verne (5-11, 1-4)

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 25, 2009, 02:52:29 PM
Article about Cal Lutheran's 69-52 win over Redlands from the Ventura County Star:

QuoteCLU makes it 18 in a row over Redlands at home

There are few certainties in life or sports, but this is one of them: when the Redlands men's basketball team comes to Cal Lutheran, it leaves with a loss.

Andy Meier scored 23 points and CLU clamped down on defense from the start to maintain its mastery of Redlands, beating the Bulldogs 69-52 on Saturday.

CLU is 11-4, 3-1 in the Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference. Redlands is 5-10, — and is now 0-18 at CLU since the Kingsmen joined the SCIAC in 1991-92.
...

Kyle Knudsen added 17 points for CLU. Aaron Van Klaveren had eight points and 10 rebounds and Aaron Fisher collected eight points and eight rebounds.

Meier scored 16 of his points during a first half that also saw CLU force 12 of Redlands' 19 turnovers, mostly by jumping into passing lanes and intercepting passes.

"We came out with a lot of energy and a lot of intensity, and really picked it up on the defensive end," said [Andy] Meier. "The guards were getting all over (Matt) Dietrick and (Patrick) Coffey; Coffey would drive and (CLU's Aaron) Fisher would curl off, and we'd get in the passing lane, deflect the ball and we'd get the ball. Sometimes we don't get the bounces, but tonight, we got all the bounces."

CLU never trailed, taking a 30-17 lead in the first 14 minutes; only once thereafter did Redlands get as close as six points.
...

The win moved CLU into a three-way tie for first with Pomona-Pitzer, which comes to CLU Wednesday, and Whittier.

Dietrich had 11 points and Coffey scored 10 to lead Redlands.

Corrections: Cal Lutheran is 12-4 overall and 4-1 SCIAC; Redlands is 5-11, 1-4. Also, it's Matt Dietrich, not Dietrick.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on January 25, 2009, 04:48:49 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 22, 2009, 03:47:53 PM
scandi, your sarcasm is palpable. One, don't read TOO much into ANY one game. Plus, point two, don't draw any conclusions from seeing any team once. Carthage is a different team now than it was on Nov. 24 when CLU whipped them.
OxyBob

Good, I have been working hard on my palpability.  Now, if I can just find reliable records regarding the CLU-Oxy results from last season, I'll feel much better about the state of things.  :D

Got over to the Gilbert Center to watch the Kingsmen take on Redlands.  Pretty big crowd, with lots of students in attendance.  Atmosphere was less than electric, though, as it was clear from the start that CLU was in control.  Redlands had a very difficult time dealing with Meier, Fisher, and Van Klavaren under the basket.  Good to see Kyle Knudsen back in action as well.  Hopefully the students will turn out in force again on Wednesday when the Kingsmen take on the Sage Hens, in what will surely be a tighter contest.  It's tempting to go into full cliche mode at this point, but to the relief of all of you, I'll resist.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 26, 2009, 09:19:22 PM
Quote from: scandihoovian on January 25, 2009, 04:48:49 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 22, 2009, 03:47:53 PM
scandi, your sarcasm is palpable. One, don't read TOO much into ANY one game. Plus, point two, don't draw any conclusions from seeing any team once. Carthage is a different team now than it was on Nov. 24 when CLU whipped them.
Good, I have been working hard on my palpability. 

New Top 25 poll is out. Cal Lutheran got a couple of crumbs thrown its way. The Kingsmen received 2 points in the "Others Receiving Votes" category, same as great and mighty Carthage. Wow, what a honor!

There are only two teams in the Top 25 with 4 losses. You get one guess to identify the conference they're from. There is one conference with 5 teams which got Top 25 votes. You get the same one guess to identify the conference they're from.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Titan Q on January 26, 2009, 09:30:33 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 26, 2009, 09:19:22 PM
Quote from: scandihoovian on January 25, 2009, 04:48:49 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 22, 2009, 03:47:53 PM
scandi, your sarcasm is palpable. One, don't read TOO much into ANY one game. Plus, point two, don't draw any conclusions from seeing any team once. Carthage is a different team now than it was on Nov. 24 when CLU whipped them.
Good, I have been working hard on my palpability. 

New Top 25 poll is out. Cal Lutheran got a couple of crumbs thrown its way. The Kingsmen received 2 points in the "Others Receiving Votes" category, same as great and mighty Carthage. Wow, what a honor!

There are only two teams in the Top 25 with 4 losses. You get one guess to identify the conference they're from. There is one conference with 5 teams which got Top 25 votes. You get the same one guess to identify the conference they're from.

OxyBob

http://www.mratings.com/rate.php?lg=cb&yr=2009&sub=III&mid=6

#6 Wheaton
#10 Augustana
#11 Elmhurst
#17 Carthage
#23 North Central
#33 Millikin
#43 Illinois Wesleyan
#82 North Park


The computer has fallen victim to CCIW bias too.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 27, 2009, 10:15:21 AM
Quote from: Titan Q on January 26, 2009, 09:30:33 PM
The computer has fallen victim to CCIW bias too.

Dear Titan Q,

Yeah, don't take any guff from OxyBob! No computer has ever made a mistake or distorted information. We are all, by any practical definition of the words, foolproof and incapable of error. Well, except for the time I murdered those four people and tried to kill Dave Bowman, but that could have happened to anyone.

Sincerely,

HAL 9000 (http://datacore.sciflicks.com/2001/sounds/2001_human_error.wav)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 27, 2009, 12:11:30 PM
Name-calling rather than making a valid point.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 27, 2009, 02:19:32 PM
Here are some stats:

SCORING OFFENSE
1. Whittier 78.0
2. La Verne 71.1

SCORING DEFENSE
1. Oxy 60.0
2. Cal Lutheran 61.8

FIELD GOAL PERCENTAGE
1. Claremont .477
2. Cal Lutheran .456

FIELD GOAL PCT DEFENSE
1. Oxy .364 -- Best in D-III
2. Whittier .405

3-POINT FIELD GOAL PERCENTAGE
1. Pomona .422
2. Whittier .361

3-POINT FIELD GOAL PCT DEFENSE
1. Oxy .322
2. Cal Lutheran .325

FREE THROW PERCENTAGE
1. Pomona .759
2. Whittier .704

OFFENSIVE REBOUNDS
1. Whittier 13.6
2. La Verne 12.3

DEFENSIVE REBOUNDS
1. Whitter 27.1
2. Cal Lutheran 27.0

REBOUNDING MARGIN
1. Cal Lutheran +6.5
2. Oxy +5.8

ASSISTS
1. Pomona 12.9
2. Whittier 12.9

STEALS
1. Whittier 9.9
2. Claremont 9.6

TURNOVER MARGIN
1. Whittier +4.2
2. Claremont +2.8

SCORING
1. Andy Meier, CLU 17.4
2. Adam Chiamowitz, Pomona 15.7
2. Matt Dietrich, Redlands 15.7

REBOUNDING
1. Andy Meier, CLU 8.6
1. Aaron Van Klavern, CLU 8.6
3. Sean Anderson, Oxy 6.8

FIELD GOAL PCT
1. Aaron Van Klaveren, CLU .566
2. Keegan Hoover, Whittier .533

3-POINT FG PCT
1. Adam Chiamowitz, Pomona .468
2. David Hayashi, Whittier .452

ASSISTS
1. Greg Grimm 41
2. Dave Ostrow, Oxy 40

FREE THROW PCT
1. Keegan Hoover, Whittier .912
2. Jeremy Namkung, Pomona .909

STEALS
1. Kyle Knudsen, CLU 32
2. Matt Dellatorre, Caltech 30

BLOCKED SHOTS
1. Travis Haussler, Caltech 21
2. Jeff McClean, Whittier 14

Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 27, 2009, 12:11:30 PM
Name-calling rather than making a valid point.

Quote from: OxyBob on January 27, 2009, 10:15:21 AM
Quote from: Titan Q on January 26, 2009, 09:30:33 PM
The computer has fallen victim to CCIW bias too.
HAL 9000

Generally I don't explain, but it was a joke and an homage. I guess you never saw the movie.

OxyBob (http://www.moviesoundclips.net/movies1/hal/halbye.wav)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on January 27, 2009, 03:02:19 PM
Nothing like a hot bowl of homage with berries and cream to start the morning.
;)

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 27, 2009, 03:23:23 PM
Quote from: Sabretooth Tiger on January 27, 2009, 03:02:19 PM
Nothing like a hot bowl of homage with berries and cream to start the morning.

I had to grits my teeth at that one. I think you deserve a mush-needed rest.

Hey, people see whatever they want to see in computer rankings. Cal Lutheran is ranked 73rd in the Massey Ratings even though the Kingsmen whipped Carthage, ranked 18th (which is an absolute joke) and whomped Lawrence which is ranked 68th. Claremont is ranked 74th, yet the Stags beat Whitworth (21), Willamette (54) and CLU (73).

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on January 27, 2009, 03:28:58 PM
My point eggsactly.  These scrambled computer rankings poach irrelevant material to get the job over easy.

uggh, that's really bad isn't it?  Guess I'm just not a hard boiled punster.  I'm feeling fried.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 27, 2009, 08:46:24 PM
Wednesday night's schedule, all games 7:30 p.m.:

Pomona (7-9, 4-1) @ Cal Lutheran (12-4, 4-1)
First place at stake in Gilbert Arena. This past Saturday, Pomona got into a shoot out with Whittier and came up a few points short, while Cal Lutheran won easily over Redlands. The Sagehens will have to contend with Andy Meier, who leads the conference in scoring (17.4 ppg) and is tied with teammate Aaron Van Klaveren for the lead in rebounds (8.6 rpg). Kyle Knudsen has averaged 14.6 ppg for CLU. Pomona is led by guards Adam Chiamowitz (15.7 ppg) and David Liss (14.5 ppg), and the Sagehens are the best 3-point shooting team in the SCIAC.

Caltech (1-15, 0-5) @ Redlands (5-11, 1-4)
Redlands has struggled this season, but not as much as Caltech, which ranks last or next to last in all of D-III in 6 statistical categories. Matt Dellatorre (12.9 ppg), Ryan Elmquist (10.9 ppg) and Travis Haussler (10.6 ppg) are the stand-out players for CIT. Haussler leads the league in blocked shots (21). Matt Dietrich (15.7 ppg) and Patrick Coffey (13.5 ppg) are the offensive leaders for the Bulldogs

Whittier (10-6, 4-1) @ Claremont (11-5, 3-2)
Yet another chance for Whittier to show that it can win on the road against someone other than Caltech. Claremont only shot 34% in its two losses to Oxy and Pomona, but got well against La Verne by shooting 53%, including 62% in the second half. Good news: Whittier leads the SCIAC in scoring, scoring margin, steals, turnover margin, offensive rebounds, and defensive rebounds. Bad news: The Poets have lost 11 straight at Ducey Gym, and WC head coach Rock Carter has never beaten CMS's Ken Scalmanini in the Temple of Doom. The pressure's all on Whittier.

Oxy (7-9, 3-2) @ La Verne (5-11, 1-4)
Defense has not been Oxy's problem so far this season. On average the Tigers only give up 60 points a game, but they have only scored 57 points a game, and have been held under 50 six times. The Tigers had their best scoring half against Whittier with 46 points in the second half on 64% FGs. Sean Anderson has scored 11.7 ppg for Oxy, but no one else has averaged double figures. La Verne is second in the SCIAC in scoring at 71.1 ppg. Billy Nicolini and Kyle Luhnow have averaged 13.4 and 12.9 ppg for the Leopards.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TeeDub on January 27, 2009, 09:05:45 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 27, 2009, 02:19:32 PM
Here are some stats:

SCORING OFFENSE
1. Whittier 78.0
2. La Verne 71.1


OB...don't you just miss the ol' TFS days? (Those were halftime scores.)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TeeDub on January 27, 2009, 09:07:19 PM
Quote from: Sabretooth Tiger on January 27, 2009, 03:28:58 PM
My point eggsactly.  These scrambled computer rankings poach irrelevant material to get the job over easy.

uggh, that's really bad isn't it?  Guess I'm just not a hard boiled punster.  I'm feeling fried.

You're cracking me up.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 27, 2009, 10:30:59 PM
Quote from: Jordis Rocks on January 27, 2009, 09:05:45 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 27, 2009, 02:19:32 PM
Here are some stats:

SCORING OFFENSE
1. Whittier 78.0
2. La Verne 71.1

OB...don't you just miss the ol' TFS days? (Those were halftime scores.)

QuoteOn average the Tigers only give up 60 points a game, but they have only scored 57 points a game...

I think 57 points per game was Amir Mazarei's average against Oxy.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 27, 2009, 10:54:34 PM
Article about Whittier from the Pasadena Star-News:

QuoteAREA COLLEGE BASKETBALL: Whittier men rolling along

It might be a bit early for cries of "Break up the Poets," but the rest of the Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference (SCIAC) best be paying attention.

Whittier College's men's basketball team has something going on.

The Poets have won eight of their last nine games. The loss to Occidental College last Thursday broke a seven-game winning streak.

"Yes, we're playing well right now, we're doing some good things," coach Rock Carter said.

His team is fresh off a 91-84 victory over Pomona Pitzer that put the Poets (10-6, 4-1) in a first-place tie with Cal Lutheran (12-4, 4-1) and Pomona Pitzer (7-9, 4-1).
...

Carter cited the play of Travis Crow, who led the team with 19 points and was 5-for-5 on 3-point shots in the first half, and Keegan Hoover, who had 18 points and dominated the boards with 10 rebounds.

Michael Archuletta also scored 18 points.
...

Whittier plays at Claremont-Mudd-Scripps (11-5, 3-2) [Wednesday] and hosts Cal Lutheran on Saturday.

Carter said the recent success is nice and the players' expectations are high, but he cautions that in no way will they be resting on their laurels.

"We have seniors on this team who have been through the battles," Carter explained. "They know it is a long season. The loss to Oxy is a great indicator of what can happen."

Claremont junior guard Michael Bagby was named SCIAC Player of the Week after he missed only two shots from the field in two games, scored 35 points and made 7-of-9 3-point attempts.

Carter mentioned Claremont's perennial size advantage and said, "They grind a little more, pound it inside. We like to work the perimeter and push it. Which team can establish what they do first will have the advantage."

"Break up the Poets"? Sheesh, let's not get all excited just yet. Excluding Caltech, which hasn't won a SCIAC game in 24 years, Whittier is 4-32 on the road in conference games since '02-'03, and 0-18 the last 3 seasons.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on January 28, 2009, 10:56:10 AM
Quote from: Jordis Rocks on January 27, 2009, 09:05:45 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 27, 2009, 02:19:32 PM
Here are some stats:

SCORING OFFENSE
1. Whittier 78.0
2. La Verne 71.1


OB...don't you just miss the ol' TFS days? (Those were halftime scores.)


Geeze, I blame the TFS for giving me carpal tunnel syndrome during my senior year at Oxy. Trying to input all those stats for both teams was definately no joke. Im sure the newbies that now take on such responsibility at the Rock appreciate the TFS leaving us far behind. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on January 28, 2009, 12:18:24 PM
I'm disappointed in Redlands basketball. I really thought that once Coach Smith was shown the door the program could be turned around. I have faith in Coach Ducey but next season must be a breakout year for Redlands.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on January 28, 2009, 03:05:57 PM
RFB-

When I saw Redlands play on Saturday it was more a question of being outmanned (and outsized) than outcoached.  Things very well may turn around as players develop and new talent arrives.  It does still look like "system" players trying to play a more conventional style of basketball, but I think Coach Ducey has things on the right track.


Titan Q-

My purpose is not to deride the quality of basketball in the Midwest.  I know it is good, and I know the CCIW is quite possibly the strongest conference in the region.  That said, I would like to share a few qualitative observations about how the "quality gap" between the Midwestern conferences and the SCIAC.  6-7 years ago, IWU came out and thoroughly outplayed a CLU team that went on to have a decent season in the SCIAC.  Around that same time, CLU was dealt a pretty harsh loss by Buena Vista.  Watching those games gave me the impression that the CCIW and IIAC were a clear cut above the SCIAC.  Over the last few seasons, however, I have not seen anything that gave me the same impression.  UWSP, Carthage, BV, North Central, Luther and Lawrence have rolled through here and lost or, only in the case of BV, won very close games. 

Nothing that happened in any of those games made me feel like the SCIAC was still seriously beneath the quality of D3 ball in the Midwest.  It would be nice if this trend mattered in terms of how folks voted in polls and the tournament is bracketed, the frustration is knowing that there's not likely to be any change in that any time soon.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TeeDub on January 28, 2009, 09:00:51 PM
Quote from: RFB on January 28, 2009, 12:18:24 PM
I'm disappointed in Redlands basketball. I really thought that once Coach Smith was shown the door the program could be turned around. I have faith in Coach Ducey but next season must be a breakout year for Redlands.

I think you'll find that breaking into the Big 3 territory of success will be a difficult process for Redlands.  Success tends to breed success and therefore when Redlands is competing for recruits with the likes of PP, CMS, Oxy (and now Cal Lu), the nod tends to go against the Bulldogs.  I too hope that Coach Ducey can elevate UofR hoops by landing a couple of players that will be program makers...I just think that is not as easy a task as one would think.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TeeDub on January 28, 2009, 09:21:48 PM
Quote from: scandihoovian on January 28, 2009, 03:05:57 PM
... but I think Coach Ducey [Redlands] has things on the right track.


Now, this is a statement that I find interesting...and actually is probably more of a statement still showing a dislike of the System, than of the current play of Redlands.  If a System Redlands team was putting up the same win-loss numbers (5-11, 1-4), the program would be a 'joke'.  But now that they play a more traditional style of play, they are "on the right track."  All I'm saying is that 5-11, 1-4 looks the same to me no matter what style you bring to get it.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Titan Q on January 28, 2009, 11:18:56 PM
Quote from: scandihoovian on January 28, 2009, 03:05:57 PM
Titan Q-

My purpose is not to deride the quality of basketball in the Midwest.  I know it is good, and I know the CCIW is quite possibly the strongest conference in the region.  That said, I would like to share a few qualitative observations about how the "quality gap" between the Midwestern conferences and the SCIAC.  6-7 years ago, IWU came out and thoroughly outplayed a CLU team that went on to have a decent season in the SCIAC.  Around that same time, CLU was dealt a pretty harsh loss by Buena Vista.  Watching those games gave me the impression that the CCIW and IIAC were a clear cut above the SCIAC.  Over the last few seasons, however, I have not seen anything that gave me the same impression.  UWSP, Carthage, BV, North Central, Luther and Lawrence have rolled through here and lost or, only in the case of BV, won very close games. 

Nothing that happened in any of those games made me feel like the SCIAC was still seriously beneath the quality of D3 ball in the Midwest.  It would be nice if this trend mattered in terms of how folks voted in polls and the tournament is bracketed, the frustration is knowing that there's not likely to be any change in that any time soon.

I believe the top two leagues are the WIAC and the CCIW (the IIAC is not a top league by any stretch), and other leagues seem to come and go...last year the UAA was probably the best.  What makes the CCIW and WIAC the strongest is depth.  The WIAC and CCIW's best teams are typically not any better than the top teams from other good leagues (and often they are not as good as the Hope's, Amhert's, Wooster's, etc), but there are just simply more "quality" teams year-in and year-out.  When you start stacking up, say, the #3-6 teams from the CCIW and WIAC vs most leagues, I think that is where the separation is.

I saw Occidental and CMS last year.  I thought Occidental compared very favorably to the CCIW's top teams -- Augustana, which won the regular season and conference tournament, and Wheaton, which made it to the Elite 8.  But again, it is the depth of the CCIW that makes it a top league.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TeeDub on January 29, 2009, 12:17:40 AM
Caltech outscored Redlands 45-42 in the second half of a 78-64 loss to the Bulldogs...on the Bulldogs' floor.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 29, 2009, 01:36:46 AM
Eyewitness report from Thousand Oaks:

Pomona 69, Cal Lutheran 65

Pomona built a 19-point second half lead, withstood a furious CLU rally, and held on for the win at Cal Lutheran. The Sagehens were hot in the first half, hitting 14-for-25 (56%) and 7-for-10 on 3-balls, and had a 37-26 halftime lead. The Kingsmen had all sorts of trouble getting anything going on offense against Pomona's 2-3 zone. In the second half, Gabe Porter's 3-pointer gave Pomona a 53-34 lead at 12:50, and CLU looked dead in the water. The Sagehens led 62-47 at 5:20, and that's when CLU started its comeback. 9 straight points cut the lead to 62-56 at 2:50. Pomona led 68-60 with 1:20 left when Xavier Walton stole the ball from Jeremy Namkung at midcourt, and Adam Chiamowitz unwisely grabbed Walton as he headed for a breakaway and Chiamowitz got called for an intentional foul. Walton hit both FTs and it was 68-62 with 55 seconds left. CLU got the ball out of bounds on the intentional foul and Aaron Van Klaveren immediately hit a 3-ball and it was 68-65 with 52 seconds to go. Kyle Knudsen fouled Jeremy Namkung, a 91% FT shooter, but Namkung missed on the 1-and-1 and CLU had a chance to tie. Knudsen missed on a 3-pointer, and David Liss added a FT for the final margin of victory.

For Pomona, David Liss had 22 points and 7 assists, Jeremy Namkung and Gabe Porter each scored 13, and Adam Chaimowitz had 11. The Sagehens hit 13-for-22 on 3-pointers (59%). For CLU, Aaron Van Klaveren played an outstanding game with 22 points and 17 rebounds, and Greg Grimm scored 16. Pomona did a good job covering Andy Meier, and held the SCIAC's leading scorer and rebounder to 8 points and 2 rebounds.

With the win, Pomona (5-1) moved into sole possession of first place in the SCIAC. Whittier succumbed to the pressure of the road yet again and lost to Claremont 72-66 in the Temple of Doom, while Oxy beat La Verne 53-50 in the Super Tents. Whittier, Claremont and Oxy are all tied for second with 4-2 records.

Saturday's schedule:

Cal Lutheran (12-5, 4-2) @ Whittier (10-7, 4-2)
Redlands (6-11, 2-4) @ Oxy (8-9, 4-2)
Claremont (12-5, 4-2) @ Caltech (1-16, 0-6)
La Verne (6-12, 1-5) @ Pomona (8-9, 5-1)

OxyBob

EDIT: From the SCIAC web site:

QuoteSCIAC Male Athlete of the Week:  Occidental's Sean Anderson

Sean Anderson, Occidental College
Basketball
(JR, C - Burbank, CA)
Sean Anderson was a huge reason the Tigers upset Whittier on Wednesday night with a 17-point, 18-rebound double-double adding three assists, a block and a steal as Oxy came from behind to win 68-60. He followed up on Saturday shooting 5-for-8 from the field and 2-for-2 from the charity stripe to pitch in 12 points while grabbing four rebounds, three steals and supplying a block in limited action against Caltech. Overall in the two games he averaged 14.5 points and 11 rebounds per game and currently shooting 52.5% from the field overall this season to lead the team.

Tonight Anderson scored 28 points and had 14 rebounds and 4 blocks in Oxy's win over ULV.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on January 29, 2009, 06:25:41 PM
As usual, OB accurately captured the proceedings at Gilbert.  The only thing he failed to mention was the giant funnel that appeared over the basket every time PP fired up a three.  The Hens were lights out most of the game, and did a great job of moving the ball to create good opportunities.  I was glad to see the Kingsmen mount a rally, unfortunately it was a classic case of too little too late.

With PP at 5-1, and 4 others at 4-2 (Oxy, CMS, Whitter, and CLU), it should be an exciting second half of conference play.

Quote from: Jordis Rocks on January 28, 2009, 09:21:48 PM
If a System Redlands team was putting up the same win-loss numbers (5-11, 1-4), the program would be a 'joke'.  But now that they play a more traditional style of play, they are "on the right track."  All I'm saying is that 5-11, 1-4 looks the same to me no matter what style you bring to get it.
You are right, Jordis, I am no fan of the system, and your point about records is well taken.  But I think it's fair to acknowledge that the cupboard for playing any kind of basketball was pretty bare at the end of Smith's tenure, and Ducey deserves at least another year or two before the jury weighs in with a final verdict.  The team I watched last Saturday was disciplined and played hard, that's why I still tend to think they're on the right track.  It doesn't seem like there are the kinds of institutional barriers to a successful basketball program at Redlands the way there are at other system schools, which is, I guess, why it always made me curious why Coach Smith went that direction.

Quote from: Titan Q on January 28, 2009, 11:18:56 PM
I saw Occidental and CMS last year.  I thought Occidental compared very favorably to the CCIW's top teams -- Augustana, which won the regular season and conference tournament, and Wheaton, which made it to the Elite 8.  But again, it is the depth of the CCIW that makes it a top league.
I have no doubt the CCIW is deep, but if the top SCIAC schools compare favorably with the top CCIW schools, I guess I am still curious as to why the top SCIAC schools don't get the same recognition in the polls and at tournament time.  FWIW, while the SCIAC usually only has 2-3 teams that are legit contenders, this year there are  five teams with a legit shot at the title, something that makes the year end four team tourney all the more interesting...
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frodotwo on January 29, 2009, 06:56:48 PM
Quote from: scandihoovian on January 28, 2009, 03:05:57 PM
UWSP, Carthage, BV, North Central, Luther and Lawrence have rolled through here and lost or, only in the case of BV, won very close games. 


I wonder if the trip out west may have had something to do with the outcomes. Are there return trips planned to the Midwest??
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TeeDub on January 29, 2009, 07:03:25 PM
Quote from: scandihoovian on January 29, 2009, 06:25:41 PM
and Ducey deserves at least another year or two before the jury weighs in with a final verdict. 

Absolutely!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 30, 2009, 09:42:03 AM
Quote from: frodotwo on January 29, 2009, 06:56:48 PM
Quote from: scandihoovian on January 28, 2009, 03:05:57 PM
UWSP, Carthage, BV, North Central, Luther and Lawrence have rolled through here and lost or, only in the case of BV, won very close games.
I wonder if the trip out west may have had something to do with the outcomes. Are there return trips planned to the Midwest??

Ah, the "We lost because we had to travel" excuse, that old sententious saw. Always hauled out by Midwest teams after they come to California and lose, particularly by teams from the CCIW, who never fail to come up with a lame excuse, justification or explanation for why they lost other than their opponent was just better.

I was at the Cal Lutheran-UW-Stevens Point game last season. Travel was not an issue for the Pointers when they had a 16-point lead in the first half, and were still up by 15 with 10:30 to go. Travel only became an excuse when CLU came back and won the game in OT.

I also saw North Central play CLU last season. Travel didn't seem to be a factor for NCC when they were up by 7 with 5 minutes to go. Travel only became an excuse when CLU came back and again won the game in OT. North Central apparently got over their travel weariness, because two days later they scored 100 against Caltech.

This season Carthage traveled to California and played Redlands, and beat the Bulldogs by 12. They then rested up for a day and went sightseeing before getting on a bus and traveling to CLU. I was at that game. Travel wasn't the Red Men's problem, Andy Meier and Kyle Knudsen were, and CLU won the game easily.

This season Lawrence traveled to California and played Caltech, scored 60 points in the first half and won by 41. They then rested up for a day and went sightseeing before getting on a bus and traveling to CLU. I was at that game, too. Travel wasn't the Vikings' problem when they led 37-32 at halftime. Travel only became an excuse after CLU outscored LU 53-28 in the second half and won going away by 20.

I saw Luther play CLU this season. Travel wasn't an issue for the Norse when they led 51-50 with 3 minutes to go. Travel only became an excuse after Cal Lutheran scored the last 7 points of the game and won 57-51.

This season I saw Buena Vista play twice at CLU. I was interested to see BVU because they were highly touted and highly ranked (and because it brought back fond memories of when I traveled to Storm Lake to watch Oxy beat BVU in the playoffs.) Travel wasn't a problem for BVU when they played Pacific Lutheran. What was a problem for the Beavers was that PLU was a smaller yet much quicker team which ran circles around them and probably should have won the game. PLU led by 7 with 47 seconds to go but couldn't hang on, and BVU tied it up and won in OT. Note: The PLU players I spoke with after the game did not say travel was an excuse for the loss.

The next night I watched Buena Vista play Cal Lutheran. It was a really good game which seesawed back and forth the entire second half. BVU and CLU played each other straight up. CLU had two good chances to tie it at the end, but they missed and BVU won by 3. So in the end Buena Vista traveled to California and won 2 games.

Based on my observations of the games I saw, travel was not a factor. The better team just won each time, which pretty much happens in every game.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Titan Q on January 30, 2009, 01:33:30 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 30, 2009, 09:42:03 AM
Ah, the "We lost because we had to travel" excuse, that old sententious saw. Always hauled out by Midwest teams after they come to California and lose, particularly by teams from the CCIW, who never fail to come up with a lame excuse, justification or explanation for why they lost other than their opponent was just better.


Quote from: Titan Q on December 30, 2007, 01:11:35 AM
Occidental 88
IWU 67

http://www.oxyathletics.com/sports/mbkb/2007-08/stats/1229iwu.htm

The Titans got beat by a better team tonight...the Tigers may be the best team the Titans have faced this year.  6-1 guard Connor Whitman is a legit 1st Team All-American candidate and Oxy has a ton of size, including 6-10/240 freshman transfer Sean Anderson from UC-Riverside.

IWU point-guard Travis Rosenkranz was in foul trouble the entire game and only played 14 minutes.  Sean Dwyer, just back from that year-long injury and playing in his third game, was forced into 30 minutes of action.  Not an ideal way for Sean to get back into things.

The Titans couldn't buy a 3-pointer tonight - 2-16 from beyond the arc.  The perimeter guys were all off tonight it seemed. 

Another solid game out of the big guys - Gant with 14 & 10, Chamernik with 16 & 7, and Sexauer with 8 points.  As the freshmen guards continue to settle in and play more consistently, the Titans will improve.

Bottom line tonight though was just Occidental was just too much.  That's a very good team.  The Tiger fans I spoke with after the game all felt like that was their team's best performance of the year so maybe I saw them at their best, but that seems like a team that could do a little damage in the NCAA tournament this year.

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Titan Q on January 30, 2009, 02:05:50 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 30, 2009, 09:42:03 AMI was at the Cal Lutheran-UW-Stevens Point game last season. Travel was not an issue for the Pointers when they had a 16-point lead in the first half, and were still up by 15 with 10:30 to go. Travel only became an excuse when CLU came back and won the game in OT.

I also saw North Central play CLU last season. Travel didn't seem to be a factor for NCC when they were up by 7 with 5 minutes to go. Travel only became an excuse when CLU came back and again won the game in OT. North Central apparently got over their travel weariness, because two days later they scored 100 against Caltech.

This season Carthage traveled to California and played Redlands, and beat the Bulldogs by 12. They then rested up for a day and went sightseeing before getting on a bus and traveling to CLU. I was at that game. Travel wasn't the Red Men's problem, Andy Meier and Kyle Knudsen were, and CLU won the game easily.

This season Lawrence traveled to California and played Caltech, scored 60 points in the first half and won by 41. They then rested up for a day and went sightseeing before getting on a bus and traveling to CLU. I was at that game, too. Travel wasn't the Vikings' problem when they led 37-32 at halftime. Travel only became an excuse after CLU outscored LU 53-28 in the second half and won going away by 20.

I saw Luther play CLU this season. Travel wasn't an issue for the Norse when they led 51-50 with 3 minutes to go. Travel only became an excuse after Cal Lutheran scored the last 7 points of the game and won 57-51.

This season I saw Buena Vista play twice at CLU. I was interested to see BVU because they were highly touted and highly ranked (and because it brought back fond memories of when I traveled to Storm Lake to watch Oxy beat BVU in the playoffs.) Travel wasn't a problem for BVU when they played Pacific Lutheran. What was a problem for the Beavers was that PLU was a smaller yet much quicker team which ran circles around them and probably should have won the game. PLU led by 7 with 47 seconds to go but couldn't hang on, and BVU tied it up and won in OT. Note: The PLU players I spoke with after the game did not say travel was an excuse for the loss.

The next night I watched Buena Vista play Cal Lutheran. It was a really good game which seesawed back and forth the entire second half. BVU and CLU played each other straight up. CLU had two good chances to tie it at the end, but they missed and BVU won by 3. So in the end Buena Vista traveled to California and won 2 games.

Based on my observations of the games I saw, travel was not a factor. The better team just won each time, which pretty much happens in every game.

OxyBob

Forget about the travel...what about the simple theory of "homecourt advantage"?  Don't we all agree that the home team enjoys some type of advantage in college basketball?  Bob, you continue to make it clear that you consider those individual games, played in the SCIAC schools' gyms, to be the end-all, be-all in the evaluation of the D3 teams that travel out your way.  But if, say, UW-Stevens Point and Cal Lutheran played a second game last year in Stevens Point, Wisconsin, isn't there a chance the game would have played out differently?  Or if Carthage and Cal Lutheran now squared off in Kenosha, WI?  And isn't there a chance that if you saw those games as well, you might have a different opinion of both teams in some way?

You say, "The better team just won each time, which pretty much happens in every game."  I'm pretty sure you don't really believe that.  We can all think of dozens of examples off the top our heads of situations where a game between Team X and Team Y was dramatically different based on the venue.  And situations where a team, playing at home, beats a better team.

I have no idea what teams were really better in those games you saw, but I'm confident that watching one game, with one team playing at home, just is not a reasonable evaluation at all. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: West Coast Bias on January 30, 2009, 02:35:07 PM

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I wonder if the trip out west may have had something to do with the outcomes. Are there return trips planned to the Midwest??
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Hmmm... Current temperature in Storm Lake IA - 27 degrees.  Current temperature in Kenosha WI - 9 degrees. Current temperature in Appleton WI - 13 degrees.  Current temperature in Decorah IA - 10 degrees. Current temperature in Thousand Oaks CA - 74 degrees.  Current temperature in Pasadena, CA - 74 degrees.  Current temperature in Claremont CA - 70 degrees...

Doubt you will be seeing any return trips to the Midwest in December anytime soon.

And why would the SCIAC teams travel to the Midwest in December, when they already know they are going to have to go back out there to play in March?  ;D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 30, 2009, 02:39:43 PM
When was the last time a SCIAC team played in the Midwest in March, though? Not sure that theory holds.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: West Coast Bias on January 30, 2009, 02:53:31 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 30, 2009, 02:39:43 PM
When was the last time a SCIAC team played in the Midwest in March, though? Not sure that theory holds.


Its not a theory...it was a joke.


Sorry PC, I will make sure all my comments are serious and antagonistic in the future.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 30, 2009, 04:38:54 PM
I was trying to play off your joke by reminding you that the SCIAC hasn't gotten that deep in a while now.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on January 30, 2009, 05:32:54 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 30, 2009, 02:39:43 PM
When was the last time a SCIAC team played in the Midwest in March, though? Not sure that theory holds.
Didn't Oxy go to BV a few years ago?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on January 30, 2009, 05:58:51 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on January 30, 2009, 05:32:54 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 30, 2009, 02:39:43 PM
When was the last time a SCIAC team played in the Midwest in March, though? Not sure that theory holds.
Didn't Oxy go to BV a few years ago?

That was 2003.

Of course it must be kept in mind that the national tournament is different for the west coast teams than most everyone else.  Often the west coast teams cannibalize one another in a west-coast-only regional, leaving just one team standing to go to the "Midwest in March."  And it seems to me that the SCIAC and NWC teams that make the draw are usually tougher than the run of the mill teams than get in from points further east, so that west-coast-only (or west-coast-and-Texas, same analysis applies) regional tend to be tougher top to bottom than one with the SLIAC champ or NEWMAC champ or whoever in it.

Then the surviving west coast team has to go to the "Midwest in March," since scarce travel dollars effectively prevent a west-coast sectional.  The last, and perhaps only, west coast sectional was at UPS in 2004, and that was a grouping (UPS, UW-SP, Lawrence, and Sul Ross) that was going to cost a bushel basket of travel dollars wherever it was played.  Applying Titan Q's home court advantage argument, it becomes even tougher for that west coast team to survive the "Midwest in March."

The SCIAC argument has always been that the tournament is not strictly a level playing field for their heroes, not that there's any readily available solution.

Nothing new here, I know, I just wanted to save OxyBob the trouble of typing it in.  ;)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frodotwo on January 30, 2009, 06:26:32 PM
My comment was made tongue in cheek, knowing that the Midwest teams schedule those games to get out of the cold and as a "reward" to their teams. I would not expect a return engagement due to the cost involved and who the heck would want to come to Wisconsin in the winter anyway ???  I believe any time a team has to travel 2000 miles or so to play another team on their home court it is an advantage to the home team. How much of an advantage depends on the quality of the players/team. And on any given night...... :D 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Titan Q on January 30, 2009, 06:40:26 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on January 30, 2009, 05:58:51 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on January 30, 2009, 05:32:54 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 30, 2009, 02:39:43 PM
When was the last time a SCIAC team played in the Midwest in March, though? Not sure that theory holds.
Didn't Oxy go to BV a few years ago?

That was 2003.

Of course it must be kept in mind that the national tournament is different for the west coast teams than most everyone else.  Often the west coast teams cannibalize one another in a west-coast-only regional, leaving just one team standing to go to the "Midwest in March."  And it seems to me that the SCIAC and NWC teams that make the draw are usually tougher than the run of the mill teams than get in from points further east, so that west-coast-only (or west-coast-and-Texas, same analysis applies) regional tend to be tougher top to bottom than one with the SLIAC champ or NEWMAC champ or whoever in it.

Then the surviving west coast team has to go to the "Midwest in March," since scarce travel dollars effectively prevent a west-coast sectional.  The last, and perhaps only, west coast sectional was at UPS in 2004, and that was a grouping (UPS, UW-SP, Lawrence, and Sul Ross) that was going to cost a bushel basket of travel dollars wherever it was played.  Applying Titan Q's home court advantage argument, it becomes even tougher for that west coast team to survive the "Midwest in March."

The SCIAC argument has always been that the tournament is not strictly a level playing field for their heroes, not that there's any readily available solution.

Nothing new here, I know, I just wanted to save OxyBob the trouble of typing it in.  ;)

I don't think there is any question the SCIAC has it very tough in terms of the bracket.  I wish the NCAA would find the money (and maybe more importantly, the creativity) to be able to treat the SCIAC teams fairly.

That said, it's not like teams in the geographic midwest have an easy road.  My team, IWU, has been to the Final Four twice this decade.  Their road:

2001
vs Grinnell
@ Wartburg (IIAC champ)
vs Elmhurst, neutral (CCIW champ)
@ U. of Chicago (UAA champ, ranked #1 at time of game)

2006
vs Carroll, neutral
@ UW-Whitewater (WIAC champ)
vs Puget Sound, neutral (NWC champ)
@ Lawrence (MWC champ, 25-0, ranked #1 at time of game)

In 2003 as the CCIW's Pool A team IWU had to play @ #2-ranked Wash U in Round 2, then in 2004, again as an AQ team, IWU had to play @ #2-ranked Hanover in Round 2.

Last year the CCIW's Pool A team, Augustana, had to face Wash U in Round 2...or you could say, Wash U had to travel to Augustana in Round 2.  Brutal.  In trying to get to the Sectional round, would you rather face Augustana/Wash U in Round 2, or Whitworth?  (The Augie/Wash U game in the tourney went to OT...Wash U went on to win the title of course.)

Any fans of schools in Wisconsin, Illinois, Michigan, Indiana, Ohio, etc. can share examples of really, really nasty NCAA tournament roads too.

At the end of the day, it is about winning and losing in the tournament.  Yes, the SCIAC's bracket is going to be terrible every year...but it aint much easier anywhere else in the rest of the West, the Midwest, or the Great Lakes.

Now if the SCIAC teams could somehow get in that Williams/Amherst bracket...now they'd have something good cookin'.  The NCAA picks those guys up in limos and drives 'em all the way to the Salem Civic Center.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 30, 2009, 08:11:08 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on January 30, 2009, 05:32:54 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 30, 2009, 02:39:43 PM
When was the last time a SCIAC team played in the Midwest in March, though? Not sure that theory holds.
Didn't Oxy go to BV a few years ago?

More than a few now. My point exactly.

And don't forget, when you're weeping and gnashing your teeth about the tournament and west coast teams, the year Pomona-Pitzer got a first-round bye with a lower seed. It occasionally cuts the other direction, though not often.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 30, 2009, 08:16:08 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 30, 2009, 08:11:08 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on January 30, 2009, 05:32:54 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 30, 2009, 02:39:43 PM
When was the last time a SCIAC team played in the Midwest in March, though? Not sure that theory holds.
Didn't Oxy go to BV a few years ago?

More than a few now. My point exactly.

And don't forget, when you're weeping and gnashing your teeth about the tournament and west coast teams, the year Pomona-Pitzer got a first-round bye with a lower seed. It occasionally cuts the other direction, though not often.

Quote... but you want to play that Thursday game!

-- Hoopsville intro

:D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 30, 2009, 08:25:50 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on January 30, 2009, 05:58:51 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on January 30, 2009, 05:32:54 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 30, 2009, 02:39:43 PM
When was the last time a SCIAC team played in the Midwest in March, though? Not sure that theory holds.
Didn't Oxy go to BV a few years ago?

That was 2003.

Of course it must be kept in mind that the national tournament is different for the west coast teams than most everyone else.  Often the west coast teams cannibalize one another in a west-coast-only regional, leaving just one team standing to go to the "Midwest in March."  And it seems to me that the SCIAC and NWC teams that make the draw are usually tougher than the run of the mill teams than get in from points further east, so that west-coast-only (or west-coast-and-Texas, same analysis applies) regional tend to be tougher top to bottom than one with the SLIAC champ or NEWMAC champ or whoever in it.

Then the surviving west coast team has to go to the "Midwest in March," since scarce travel dollars effectively prevent a west-coast sectional.  The last, and perhaps only, west coast sectional was at UPS in 2004, and that was a grouping (UPS, UW-SP, Lawrence, and Sul Ross) that was going to cost a bushel basket of travel dollars wherever it was played.  Applying Titan Q's home court advantage argument, it becomes even tougher for that west coast team to survive the "Midwest in March."

Yeah!  And what a bracket (http://www.d3hoops.com/salem/04/pairings.htm) that one was!  The Larry's beat Sul Ross in OT and then turn around and lose to UW-SP in OT!

UW-SP could not host, because that was the year that the UWSP women (http://www.d3hoops.com/vabeach/04/pairings.htm) were hosting!

That was almost an astrological convergence.  SRSU men hosted Pool B UDallas (13-12), a 490 mile bus trip of UDallas, and then SRSU upset Trinity in San Antonio!

Wasn't Lawrence's gym too small or something like that?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 30, 2009, 08:30:14 PM
Indeed, Lawrence's gym was considered too small. (They changed their mind a couple years later.) UW-Stevens Point was hosting the women's sectional. That left SRSU or UPS.

And great games at that whole sectional. I loved it because games were three hours behind me when I was on the East Coast. In fact, listening to the Elite Eight game we realized that Lawrence's audio stream was full, so we "picked up" the feed and redistributed it, opening it up for more listeners.

(There's a benefit to being affiliated with the NCAA broadcast folks, sometimes. Call us Westwood Three.)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 31, 2009, 01:17:03 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 30, 2009, 08:11:08 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on January 30, 2009, 05:32:54 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 30, 2009, 02:39:43 PM
When was the last time a SCIAC team played in the Midwest in March, though? Not sure that theory holds.
Didn't Oxy go to BV a few years ago?

More than a few now. My point exactly.

Oxy's run to the sectional finals in 2003 was also only the second time ever that a SCIAC team had made it as far as the Elite Eight. The only other time that a SCIAC team made it that far was when Whittier reached the Elite Eight in 1981, as the Poets fell to eventual national runner-up Augustana in the round of eight, 89-87.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciacguru on January 31, 2009, 02:40:10 PM
I believe CLU was ranked #1 in their respective bracket in 1994, got a 1st round bye, still had to travel to UC San Diego, and play the winner of UCSD/Pomona Pitzer.  Beat UCSD, then travel to St Thomas to play Greensboro, and then lost.  I even think CLU was ranked #1 in the country at some point that year.

http://odac.bridgewater.edu/hoopchamp/history/1994.htm

That may have been a field of 64.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 31, 2009, 05:15:28 PM
Quote from: Titan Q on January 30, 2009, 02:05:50 PM
Forget about the travel...what about the simple theory of "homecourt advantage"?  Don't we all agree that the home team enjoys some type of advantage in college basketball?  Bob, you continue to make it clear that you consider those individual games, played in the SCIAC schools' gyms, to be the end-all, be-all in the evaluation of the D3 teams that travel out your way.  But if, say, UW-Stevens Point and Cal Lutheran played a second game last year in Stevens Point, Wisconsin, isn't there a chance the game would have played out differently?  Or if Carthage and Cal Lutheran now squared off in Kenosha, WI?  And isn't there a chance that if you saw those games as well, you might have a different opinion of both teams in some way?

Of course home teams have a home court advantage, and some more than others, but I don't use it as yet another excuse for a loss. And I don't consider individual games to be the be-all, end-all of evaluating teams. What I get tired of is the constant devaluing and pooh-poohing that I hear every time one of these so-called vaunted Midwest or East D-III powers comes to town and gets beat by a SCIAC team. I've heard the same excuses for years: We had to travel, we were tired, we were distracted by the Hollywood sign, the sun burned our retinas, we couldn't get room service in the hotel, our star player didn't have his favorite teddy bear with him, and on and on. Heck, last season Wheaton made excuses for Kent Raymond, who you have compared to Michael Jordan (heh), after La Verne shut him down in the second half, and Wheaton WON the game!

As for speculating about what would happen if Cal Lutheran played at Carthage (or UWSP or wherever), I don't play the "what if" game. I have no idea what would happen, and neither do you. I do know that I saw Carthage at full strength against CLU, and the Kingsmen handled them with relative ease. I have seen some damn good D-III teams come out here to play -- Wooster, St. Thomas and Mississippi College come to mind -- but Carthage wasn't one of them. If that treads on your tender CCIW sensibilities, sorry. Maybe I should have been more impressed with Cal Lutheran for beating the Red Men.

Quote from: Titan Q on January 30, 2009, 02:05:50 PM
You say, "The better team just won each time, which pretty much happens in every game."  I'm pretty sure you don't really believe that.  We can all think of dozens of examples off the top our heads of situations where a game between Team X and Team Y was dramatically different based on the venue.  And situations where a team, playing at home, beats a better team.

I watch a lot of basketball games, and unless there was some sort of flukey half court shot or bizarre play or outrageous call which decided the game, the team which scored the most points was the better team apart from the venue or the travel or any other factor. You like to factor in all of that stuff, especially to explain away a loss. I don't.

Quote from: David Collinge on January 30, 2009, 05:58:51 PM
Applying Titan Q's home court advantage argument, it becomes even tougher for that west coast team to survive the "Midwest in March."
...

Nothing new here, I know, I just wanted to save OxyBob the trouble of typing it in.

Thanks, but I have my standard rants saved as macros.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Titan Q on January 31, 2009, 06:21:03 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 31, 2009, 05:15:28 PM
Of course home teams have a home court advantage, and some more than others, but I don't use it as yet another excuse for a loss. And I don't consider individual games to be the be-all, end-all of evaluating teams. What I get tired of is the constant devaluing and pooh-poohing that I hear every time one of these so-called vaunted Midwest or East D-III powers comes to town and gets beat by a SCIAC team. I've heard the same excuses for years: We had to travel, we were tired, we were distracted by the Hollywood sign, the sun burned our retinas, we couldn't get room service in the hotel, our star player didn't have his favorite teddy bear with him, and on and on.

Yet last year after I watched Occidental beat IWU handily, I posted that Oxy was clearly the better team, etc. (as I re-posted here yesterday).  I didn't make excuses, did I?  Yet you never mention that.  I think you hear what you want to hear, and when you don't get that, you twist what someone actually says into whatever fits your CCIW is evil, SCIAC gets screwed by D3hoops.com and the NCAA, etc. theories.

Quote from: OxyBob on January 31, 2009, 05:15:28 PMHeck, last season Wheaton made excuses for Kent Raymond, who you have compared to Michael Jordan (heh),

I did not compare Kent Raymond to Michael Jordan, Bob.  I said:

"Wheaton is not a one-man team, but that one man (Kent Raymond) is who creates the opportunities for Ben Panner, Andy Wiele, Jake Carlwell, Tim McCrary, etc...without Raymond, those players have a much harder time carrying the load.  The championship Chicago Bulls were by no stretch a one-man team, but take #23 away, and Pippen, Grant, & Co. struggle to fill their roles the same."

I think it's clear I did not compare Raymond to Jordan...just compared the role Raymond plays in getting his teamates involved in the game.  I grew up in Chicago watching Michael Jordan and, believe me, I don't compare anybody I've ever seen play to him.

Quote from: OxyBob on January 31, 2009, 05:15:28 PMAs for speculating about what would happen if Cal Lutheran played at Carthage (or UWSP or wherever), I don't play the "what if" game. I have no idea what would happen, and neither do you. I do know that I saw Carthage at full strength against CLU, and the Kingsmen handled them with relative ease. I have seen some damn good D-III teams come out here to play -- Wooster, St. Thomas and Mississippi College come to mind -- but Carthage wasn't one of them. If that treads on your tender CCIW sensibilities, sorry. Maybe I should have been more impressed with Cal Lutheran for beating the Red Men.

I'm not sure where you get the idea that I think Carthage is a great team?  I think I've made it pretty clear on these boards, and on Hoopsville, etc., that I do not view Carthage as a CCIW conference tournament team (i.e., I think they'll finish 5th or lower).  Like this after the MIAA/CCIW Challenge:

Quote from: Titan Q on December 06, 2008, 09:01:35 AM
Quote from: sac on December 05, 2008, 09:50:00 PMI seem to remember similar comments about Carthage last season and at the halfway point they were leading the CCIW.

That's true Scott, but Carthage did finish in 5th place (7-7). 

I really can't envision the Red Men finishing any higher than that this year.  I just don't see them finishing better than Augustana, Wheaton, and Elmhurst, and I'm pretty sure Illinois Wesleyan is quite a bit better overall too (more balance, more size).

Carthage has one of the best players in Division III and they are going to knock off top CCIW teams, but I just don't think they have enough size down low to contend in the CCIW this year.  We'll see.


I think I've been consistent is saying that I view Carthage as a team with one of the best players in Division III (Steve Djurickovic), a nice complementary guard (Sean Fendley), but very little else...including absolutely zero inside presence.  I think Carthage has some nice wins (like Hope, Calvin, and Augustana) and can beat good teams because of how good Djurickovic is, but they just don't have the balance to be considered a great team.   

My comments to you about Carthage have been in response to your frequent suggestions that Cal Lutheran has to be better than Carthage, because of that one game (your utter disgust everytime Carthage gets 1 or 2 poll votes to Cal Lu's zero).  I just don't think that is reasonable for reasons I explained yesterday.  I'd like to see a game played at Carthage first, or on a neutral court, to better gauge that.  I certainly don't think Carthage is a great team, but the Red Men may be better than they looked that night.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Titan Q on January 31, 2009, 08:08:35 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 31, 2009, 05:15:28 PMI watch a lot of basketball games, and unless there was some sort of flukey half court shot or bizarre play or outrageous call which decided the game, the team which scored the most points was the better team apart from the venue or the travel or any other factor. You like to factor in all of that stuff, especially to explain away a loss. I don't.

...on that particular night, yes.  But Boston College shouldn't be ranked ahead of North Carolina all season long because of the result of the game on January 4, should they?  Sometimes funny stuff happens - NC lost that game at home.  I think it's pretty clear Boston College is not better than the Tarheels, even though they were that night.  In the CCIW, Augustana lost at Carthage a couple weeks ago - anyone who has seen both teams play knows Augustana is a lot better basketball team.  Millikin won @ Elmhurst this year...the same Elmhurst team that handed Wash U its only loss.  Millikin is not better than Elmhurst.  Things happen.

Cal Lutheran might be a lot better than Carthage for all I know - I was not at that game like you were, but I watched the entire thing online.  There is no question Cal Lu was better that night - the game was not ever close.  But again, I don't buy the suggestion that one game (especially when one of the teams is at home) is enough to make final judgement regarding which team is better. 

You say, "You like to factor in all of that stuff, especially to explain away a loss. I don't."  If you are trying to accurately evaluate two teams, I think you have to look at the big picture, which for me includes the rest of the resume (other results), location of the game, if there was a key injury, or just misc. stuff you can pick up about the game.  Like the following from last year...

Quote from: Titan Q on January 02, 2008, 12:27:23 PM
Quote from: AndOne on January 02, 2008, 02:59:19 AM
Cal Lutheran beats NCC (unranked), playing w/o Chris Drennan, in OT. They then beat #3 Stevens Point (anyone injured?) in OT. Hope springs eternal.   ;)

A really good performance by NCC, but I wouldn't read too much into that comparative score.  I'm guessing Cal Lutheran played with a lot more fire and intensity vs UW-Stevens Point...

http://www.venturacountystar.com/news/2008/jan/02/clu-pulls-off-upset-of-national-power/

"I just sat there watching the celebration with tears in my eyes," said senior guard Deshion Inniss, who provided the game-tying points late in regulation and the game-winning points late in overtime.

"It felt like we won the NBA championship or something."

Sophomore Mychal Owens had 21 points and sophomore Andy Meier added 17 points and 11 rebounds as Cal Lutheran produced one of the biggest wins in its program's history, knocking off Wisconsin-Stevens Point, ranked No. 3 in the nation by D3Hoops.com, 72-70 in overtime Tuesday night at the Gilbert Center.

Louis Hurd led the Pointers with 14 points. Stevens Point's leading scorer, Pete Rortvedt, had 12 points on 4-of-12 shooting.

"The SCIAC doesn't get a chance to play a national powerhouse team very often," said Cal Lutheran coach Rich Rider. "We told our guys that it was a golden opportunity and let's max it out.


(Maybe Cal Lu played with less fire vs NCC than they did vs Stevens Point.)

Again, there is just no way I'm going to rank Millikin ahead of Elmhurst right now because of one result...even if head-to-head, at Elmhurst.  Just as no one is ranking Boston College ahead of UNC.  Sometimes you do have to factor in some other stuff.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TeeDub on February 01, 2009, 12:09:40 AM
OB,

I heard them mention Amir Mazarei during the Oxy broadcast tonight...I felt you flinch from here... ;D

Congrats on the win...I would have never thought Oxy would be 5-2 at the turn...

JR
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 01, 2009, 03:25:23 AM
Quote from: Jordis Rocks on February 01, 2009, 12:09:40 AM
OB,
I heard them mention Amir Mazarei during the Oxy broadcast tonight...I felt you flinch from here... Congrats on the win...I would have never thought Oxy would be 5-2 at the turn...
JR

Eyewitness report from Eagle Rock:

Oxy 69, Redlands 54

Oxy clamped down on Redlands in the second half and pulled away for a 69-54 win. In the first half, Redlands led 17-12 at 10:50, but Blake Moore and Justin Goltz hit 3-balls to put the Tigers up by 1. After Oxy led 23-20, the Bulldogs reeled off 9 straight and led 29-23 before Peter Gierlach's 3-pointer brought Oxy to 29-26 at the break. In the second half, Kent Ervin's 3-pointer gave UR a 38-32 lead at 13:00, but Oxy's defense completely smothered UR, and the Tigers outscored the Bulldogs 18-4 over the next 6 minutes and led 50-42. Jack Hanley hit a 3-ball and then made a 3-point play on a jumper and one, and the Tigers led 58-48 at 2:40. Hanley made 2 more on a layup, and Oxy finished out the game with a FT parade. Oxy shot 61% FGs in the second half, and for the game outrebounded Redlands 36-17.

For Oxy, Jack Hanley and Sean Anderson were a solid one-two punch. Hanley had 23 on 8-for-15 including four 3-pointers, plus 5 assists. Redlands did a good job keeping the ball away from Anderson, but he still managed 22 points on 5-for-7 FGs, 12-for-15 FTs, and he also pulled down 8 rebounds. Dave Ostrow played effective point guard with 4 points, 6 assists, 3 steals, and 6 rebounds. Jake Copithorne only played 3 minutes, but he managed 5 points (2-for-2 FGs and 1-for-1 FT), an assist and 2 offensive rebounds. For Redlands, Patrick Coffey played a great all-around game with 20 points, 3 assists and 4 rebounds, while Travis Miller scored 14, and Matt Dietrich had 10.

Oxy won its 5th straight, evened its record at 9-9 and is now 5-2 in the conference. I have to agree with Jordis Rocks. Oxy had lost 8 of 10 and at times looked pretty bad doing it, but Brian Newhall has done a great job turning the Tigers around and they have continued to improve game by game. Redlands dropped to 6-12 overall and 2-5 in the SCIAC. Oxy has a tough assignment this Wednesday at Cal Lutheran. The Kingsmen are smarting from 2 straight conference losses to Pomona and Whittier.

Tonight's other SCIAC scores:

Whittier 80, Cal Lutheran 65
Claremont 75, Caltech 47
Pomona 58, La Verne 36

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 02, 2009, 01:50:32 AM
Saturday capsules:

Pomona 58, La Verne 36: The Sagehens held the Leopards to 29.5% shooting on only 13-for-44. For Pomona, David Liss scored 14 and Justin Sexton had 10. For ULV, Kyle Luhnow was the only player in double figures.

Whittier 80, Cal Lutheran 65: The Poets had 5 men in double figures. The Kingsmen trailed by 15 with a little over 15 minutes left, fought back and tied the game at 57 with 8 minutes to go, but couldn't sustain the momentum. Whittier outscored CLU 14-4, led 71-61 at 3:20, and cruised home from there. For Whittier, Mike Archuletta had 19, Ken Albritton had 15, Marcus Gibson scored 13, David Hayashi had 12, and Keegan Hoover added 10. For Cal Lutheran, Andy Meier had 23 pts and 9 rebounds, Kyle Knudsen scored 13, and Aaron Fisher had 12.

Claremont 75, Caltech 47: The Stags used a 19-2 run over 7 minutes to open up a 20-point first half lead, and the Beavers were unable to respond. For CMS, Patrick Lacey scored 18, Beau Heidrich had 11, and 12 others scored points for the Stags. For Caltech, Ryan Elmquist had 22 points and 11 rebounds, his 5th straight game in double figures and second straight over 20, and Han Bin Man scored 11.

Halfway through the SCIAC season, and it's Pomona in the lead:

Pomona  6-1
Oxy  5-2
Claremont  5-2
Whittier  5-2
Cal Lutheran  4-3
Redlands  2-5
La Verne  1-6
Caltech  0-7

This Wednesday's schedule, all games 7:30 p.m.:

Oxy (9-9, 5-2) @ Cal Lutheran (12-6, 4-3)
Whittier (11-7, 5-2) @ La Verne (5-13, 1-6)
Redlands (6-12, 2-5) @ Claremont (13-5, 5-2)
Pomona (9-9, 6-1) @ Caltech (1-17, 0-7)

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 02, 2009, 11:41:15 AM
Article about Pomona from the San Bernardino Sun:

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Sagehens survive player absences to lead SCIAC

Pomona-Pitzer men's basketball coach Charlie Katsiaficas prefers to be optimistic rather than pessimistic. So when he had four players miss the first first eight games because they were studying abroad, he looked at the bright side.

"We had a lot of guys that got an opportunity to play (who) might not have," he said. "I was looking at the bigger picture and hoping it would help us down the line as far as depth goes."

That seems to be the case. The Sagehens (9-9, 6-1) were 2-6 through those eight games but hold a one-game lead after the first half of SCIAC play.

Defending champion Occidental, Whittier and Claremont-Mudd-Scripps are tied for second in what most coaches agree is the one of the most balanced conference races ever.

The quartet of players that joined the team late includes two starters - junior forward Justin Sexton (16.8 points per game, 7.4 rebounds per game) and senior forward Gabriel Porter (4.8 ppg, 3.8 rpg). The other two are junior wings Colin Reinstadt and Kael Kristof, both reserves.

It helped that Katsiaficas got a rare Division I transfer in junior guard David Liss (14.5 ppg, 3 assists per game), who had walked on at Cal but was looking to go elsewhere after a coaching change there.

Katsiaficas credited Liss and backcourt mates Adam Chaimowitz (15.7 ppg, 4.4 rpg) and Jeremy Namkung (9.2 ppg, 3 apg) for holding the team together through its growing pains.
...

Katsiaficas realizes that losing players temporarily comes with the territory of working at an institution where academics are a high priority.

"One of the things we stress in getting kids to come here is the total experience and the educational opportunities so it would be hypocritical for me to do anything but support those endeavors," he said. "From a selfish standpoint, yes I would have loved to have them the whole season."

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 03, 2009, 07:57:14 PM
Wednesday night notes:

Oxy (9-9, 5-2) @ Cal Lutheran (12-6, 4-3)
Oxy has won 5 straight overall, and the Tigers have won 3 straight at CLU. Oxy only gives up 58.9 points per game, 5th best in all of D-III. The Kingsmen lost at Whittier after losing at home to Pomona last Wednesday. That's the first time CLU has lost back-to-back games since February '07. CLU's Andy Meier leads the conference in scoring (16.7 ppg) and is second in rebounds (8.2 pg) behind his teammate Aaron Van Klaveren (9.1). The Kingsmen have 4 players averaging double figures: Meier, Kyle Knudsen (14.2), Greg Grimm (10.6) and Van Klaveren (10.4). Oxy's Dave Ostrow leads the SCIAC in assists with 53, while CLU's Kyle Knudsen leads the league in steals with 36.

Whittier (11-7, 5-2) @ La Verne (5-13, 1-6)
Whittier has not beaten a SCIAC team other than Caltech on the road since the Poets won at ULV more than four years ago on January 15, 2005. Whittier leads the league in scoring, averaging 77.2 ppg. La Verne has lost 5 straight and 7 of 8. Billy Nicolini (12.6 ppg) and Kyle Luhnow (12.4 ppg) are the go-to guys for the Leopards. Mike Archuletta is averaging 12.5 points and 6.5 rebounds per game for Whittier. The Poets' Keegan Hoover (91.7%) and Marcus Gibson (88.9%) lead the SCIAC in FT shooting.

Redlands (6-12, 2-5) @ Claremont (13-5, 5-2)
Claremont barely escaped with a 3-point win at Redlands in the SCIAC opener. The Stags shoot 47.6% from the floor, best in the league. CMS also leads the SCIAC in steals with 10.2 per game. Claremont's Achilles' heel is FT shooting. The Stags only shoot 65.9% from the line. The Bulldogs' Matt Dietrich (15.4 ppg) is second in the conference in scoring, and his teammate Patrick Coffey (13.9 ppg) is 6th. UR has lost 4 of the last 5 in the Temple of Doom.

Pomona (9-9, 6-1) @ Caltech (1-17, 0-7)
The Sagehens (43.6%) have the best 3-point FG percentage in all D-III, led by David Liss (50%) and Adam Chaimowitz (45.1%). Liss is 3rd in the league in scoring, second in assists, and first in 3-pt FG%. Caltech hasn't done much winning, but Travis Haussler (23) and Ryan Elmquist (21) lead the league in blocked shots, and Matt Dellatorre (12.5 ppg), Elmquist (21.1 ppg), and Haussler (10.3 ppg) are doing everything they can do to try and help CIT get their first SCIAC win since 1985. This game won't be it.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 03, 2009, 08:14:12 PM
OB -- can you add links with the stories? I would occasionally add one to the What we're reading box on the front page, but I don't always have time to do the search (and those papers don't seem to show up in my standard Division III basketball Google News search).
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on February 03, 2009, 08:22:34 PM
Here's the link to the Sagehen article most recently posted by OB:

http://www.sbsun.com/search/ci_11607345
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 03, 2009, 08:33:17 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 03, 2009, 08:14:12 PM
OB -- can you add links with the stories?

Quote from: Sabretooth Tiger on February 03, 2009, 08:22:34 PM
Here's the link to the Sagehen article most recently posted by OB:
http://www.sbsun.com/search/ci_11607345

Yes, I can do that, and thanks for the link, OxyBob.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TeeDub on February 03, 2009, 11:16:09 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 03, 2009, 07:57:14 PM
UR has lost 4 of the last 5 in the Temple of Doom.

Hey OB...is that 1 win a "System" (aka Traveling Freak Show) win? ;D

JR
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 04, 2009, 12:02:20 AM
Quote from: Jordis Rocks on February 03, 2009, 11:16:09 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 03, 2009, 07:57:14 PM
UR has lost 4 of the last 5 in the Temple of Doom.
Hey OB...is that 1 win a "System" (aka Traveling Freak Show) win?

Jan. 17, 2007: Redlands 98 @ Claremont 94
UR: Amir Mazarei 33, Patrick Coffey 16, Daniel Markus 15, Dave Thomas 10
CMS: Mani Maceira 40, Dan Winterbottom 13, Zach Weismann 10
3-Point Shots: Redlands 14-for-43, Claremont 3-for-5

Claremont shot 66.7% on 42-for-63 and lost.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on February 04, 2009, 02:07:15 PM
Looking forward to tonight's CLU-Oxy matchup, especially as it's the one "impact game" on the schedule.  A road win for Oxy would be huge as the top 5 continue to fight it out for one of the four spots in the SCIAC tourney.  A CLU win gives them a season sweep, which, again, may be critical when it comes down to determining tournament participants. Should be a great game.

OB-
Thanks for the article about PP.  I didn't realize Liss was a former D1 walk on.  He sure looked tough against the Kingsmen.  Does anyone know if he had to sit for a semester?  The only stats I could find show him as having played in just 10 games...
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 04, 2009, 04:02:34 PM
Quote from: scandihoovian on February 04, 2009, 02:07:15 PM
Looking forward to tonight's CLU-Oxy matchup, especially as it's the one "impact game" on the schedule.  A road win for Oxy would be huge as the top 5 continue to fight it out for one of the four spots in the SCIAC tourney.  A CLU win gives them a season sweep, which, again, may be critical when it comes down to determining tournament participants. Should be a great game.

Craig Dunkin aka tigersports will be doing the Oxy vs. CLU play-by-play on OXYBroadcast.com, "Your Home for Internet Broadcasts for Occidental College Sports." This will be Craig's first-ever basketball broadcast from CLU. His A-team color commentator Tim Walsh is unable to be with him tonight, so filling in for Tim will be yours truly, the Stu Lantz of the SCIAC.

Quote from: scandihoovian on February 04, 2009, 02:07:15 PM
I didn't realize Liss was a former D1 walk on.  He sure looked tough against the Kingsmen.  Does anyone know if he had to sit for a semester?  The only stats I could find show him as having played in just 10 games...

Dave Liss did not have to sit since he transferred down from D-I to D-III. He's played in all of Pomona's games this season.

Here's his bio from the Cal web site:

http://calbears.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/liss_david00.html

OxyBob (http://www.johnspeedie.com/healy/offair.wav)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 05, 2009, 11:19:53 AM
Eyewitness report from Thousand Oaks:

Cal Lutheran 77, Oxy 51

CLU: Greg Grimm 17, Kyle Knudsen 17, Aaron Van Klaveren 10, Andy Meier 10
Oxy: Sean Anderson 10
Halftime: CLU 44-29
Rebounds: CLU 33-13

Cal Lutheran did everything right and throttled Oxy, 77-51. CLU led 18-14 at 11:40. Using crisp passing, sharp shooting, aggressive board play, and lockdown man-to-man defense, the Kingsmen went on runs of 12-2 and 14-7 to open up a 21-point lead at 44-23, and led by 15 at the break. In the second half it was more of the same. CLU went on a 17-4 run and it was a clinic at 63-37 with 12 minutes to go. For the game CLU shot 64% from the floor and outrebounded the Tigers 33-13. The Kingmen had 4 starters in double figures. Very few positives for Oxy.

With the win, CLU swept the 2 SCIAC games from Oxy, which gives the Kingsmen a big advantage over the Tigers in the race for the 4-team conference tournament. This coming Saturday CLU will try and avenge an earlier loss to Claremont, while Oxy will be in must-win mode against Pomona.

Other scores from Wednesday:

Pomona 91, Caltech 47
Whittier 70, La Verne 53
Claremont 64, Redlands 49

SCIAC standings:

Pomona  7-1
Claremont  6-2
Whittier  6-2
Cal Lutheran  5-3
Oxy  5-3
Redlands  2-6
La Verne  1-7
Caltech  0-8

Saturday's schedule:

Whittier (12-7, 6-2) @ Redlands (6-13, 2-6)
Pomona (10-9, 7-1) @ Oxy (9-10, 5-3)
Claremont (14-5, 6-2) @ Cal Lutheran (13-6, 5-3)      
La Verne (5-14, 1-7) @ Caltech (1-18, 0-8)

OxyBob

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on February 07, 2009, 04:11:59 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 04, 2009, 04:02:34 PM
Dave Liss did not have to sit since he transferred down from D-I to D-III. He's played in all of Pomona's games this season.

That's what I thought, but I wasn't sure when the stats I found showed him with only 10 games and other players with 5-6 more.  Of course, the stats link on the PP website took me to last season's cumulative box... ::)

I'm looking forward to the CMS-CLU game tonight, and I hope Oxy can bounce back with a win over PP.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciac_is_fun on February 09, 2009, 01:44:45 AM
Surprised not to see any posts about last night's games, so I thought I'd fill in the gap, at least with the game I saw...

CLU-CMS was a very entertaining game.  The Kingsmen came out flat at home in the first half, and ended the the half on a sour note with what looked like a knee injury to Andy Meier.  It was one of the Andrew Bynum-esque plays with a teammate falling on his leg, and Meier going down in obvious pain.  Haven't heard if and how long he'll be out. 

The game didn't look good for Cal Lu, down 37-26 at the half and without their leading scorer for the rest of the game.  But they came out after halftime looking like a different team.  They picked up the intensity big time, even getting the crowd into it, and CMS just couldn't hang.  Knudsen (27 pts), Greg Grimm (13 pts, 9 asts), Aaron Fisher (11 pts, 8 rebs, 3 big blks), and Van Klaveran (14 pts, 5-5 FG) all picked up their games in Meier's absence, and the Kingsmen shot nearly 70% in the second half.  CLU won by a comfortable margin, 80-71.  80 points was quite the accomplishment considering the kind of suffocating D CMS plays. 

This was only my second time seeing them this year, but I'm excited for what the future may hold for this CLU team, without a senior on the roster. 

For CMS, Chris Blees was impressive with 23 pts, 13 rebs, and some great athletic plays. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on February 09, 2009, 12:39:20 PM
Just a few thoughts to add to sciac_is_fun's post.

I enjoyed Saturday's game immensely.  CMS looked unstoppable early on, and the Kingsmen struggled to get anything going consistently on the offensive end.  Shortly after Meier left the game, Van Klavaren picked up a third foul and things looked even bleaker.  Right before the half, a CMS player blocked a shot.  His post block celebration successfully woke up the home crowd, especially the group of football players in the front row.  I am grateful to him for that  :D

The Kingsmen scored the first five points of the half, and Toney's unintentionally (IMHO) banked three pointer did little to slow their momentum.  Grimm and Knudsen did a nice job slashing and attacking, Fisher had some key baskets and put in a great defensive effort, Walton was very steady at the point, and Van Klavaren did a great job underneath, especially as he was in foul trouble for the remainder of the game.

I'm impressed that Oxy almost pulled one out against Pomona, and puzzled as to why Whittier consistently struggles on the road.  Regardless, that's a nice win for the Bulldogs.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 09, 2009, 01:17:58 PM
Eyewitness report from Eagle Rock:

Pomona 60, Oxy 58

Great well-played game between Pomona and Oxy on Saturday. The stands were filled, the students were loud, and the Oxy Drumline provided an extra element of fun. Pomona's first 7 baskets were 3-pointers, and the Hens led 28-22 at 7:10. The Tigers roared into the lead with a 15-0 run and led 37-28 before heading to the locker room up 39-32 at halftime. Pomona scored the first 7 points of the second half and tied it up at 39. Oxy forged ahead again and led 48-43 with 11 minutes to go, but Pomona went on a 10-0 run and led 53-48 at 7:30. After two FTs by Sean Anderson cut the Sagehens' lead to 55-53 with 1:13 left, David Liss hit a 3-ball with 49 seconds to go and Pomona had a 5-point lead, 58-53. The lead was still 5 at 60-55 but Colin Reinstadt fouled Oxy's Jack Hanley on a 3-point try with 5 seconds to go. Hanley sank all 3 FTs and Oxy still had a chance. Dave Ostrow fouled Liss, who missed on the 1-and-1. Justin Goltz got the rebound and he got the ball upcourt to Clark Gordon, whose desperation heave was short, and Pomona pulled out the victory. Good road win for the Hens and tough loss for the Tigers.

For Pomona, David Liss had 14 points and 6 assists, Jeremy Namkung had 13, Adam Chiamowitz scored 12, and Justin Sexton had 10. The Sagehens were 14-for-22 on 3-pointers. For Oxy, Jack Hanley was outstanding, scoring 23 in 40 minutes. Sean Anderson had 19 points and 6 rebounds despite playing in foul trouble for much of the game. Dave Ostrow dished out 9 assists and had 4 steals, and Justin Goltz played a strong defensive game off the bench with 9 rebounds.

Quote from: sciac_is_fun on February 09, 2009, 01:44:45 AM
The Kingsmen came out flat at home in the first half, and ended the the half on a sour note with what looked like a knee injury to Andy Meier.  It was one of the Andrew Bynum-esque plays with a teammate falling on his leg, and Meier going down in obvious pain.  Haven't heard if and how long he'll be out.

Too bad about Meier. He's a great player. Hope his injury's not serious and he's back soon.

After getting a road win against La Verne, Whittier stubbed its toe against Redlands in Currier, 71-67. The Poets led 37-30 at halftime, and 42-38 at 16:40, but the Bulldogs went on a 14-1 run and led 52-43. The Poets trailed by as many as 11, and got it down to 2 with under a minute to go, but Patrick Coffey and Kent Erwin hit their FTs and the Bulldogs got the win.

In the La Verne-Caltech game, it was tied 7-7, but the Leoprads outscored CIT 26-4 over a 10-minute stretch and that was all she wrote. Final: ULV 67, CIT 43.

SCIAC standings:

Pomona  8-1
Cal Lutheran  6-3
Claremont  6-3
Whittier  6-3
Oxy  5-4
Redlands  3-6
La Verne  2-7
Caltech  0-9

Wednesday's schedule, all games at 7:30 p.m.:

Caltech (1-19, 0-9) @ Whittier (12-8, 6-3)
Redlands (7-13, 3-6) @ Pomona (11-9, 8-1)
Claremont (14-6, 6-3) @ Oxy (9-11, 5-4)
Cal Lutheran (14-6, 6-3) @ La Verne (6-14, 2-7)

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on February 11, 2009, 01:26:05 PM
I was wondering why it seemed extra quiet on the board this year, and then I realized what was so strange.  PP is in first place, and we have yet to have a single drive by by a PP booster pondering the place of Kats in the pantheon of small college coaching greats ;)  What's going on?  Was there a group decision to stop drinking the Kool Aid?  Or did they all go on study abroad?

Game of the night is clearly Oxy-CMS, as the Tigers have a chance to further tighten the race for the final four spots.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 11, 2009, 01:41:54 PM
The colorful and many-monikered character who has at various times dubbed himself HopeJV, George Bush, Oxy '03 Salem Pavers, and D3Ghetto was usually the guy who sang the praises of Katsiaficas and Pomona-Pitzer in this room. His departure seems to have left a hole in the commentary, 'hoovian.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 11, 2009, 02:46:03 PM
Quote from: scandihoovian on February 11, 2009, 01:26:05 PM
PP is in first place, and we have yet to have a single drive by by a PP booster pondering the place of Kats in the pantheon of small college coaching greats

Ken Scalmanini, Claremont  171-99  .633
Rich Rider, Chapman & CLU  379-231  .621
Charlie Katsiaficas, Pomona  339-221  .605
Brian Newhall, Oxy  311-213  .594
Rock Carter, Whittier  175-195  .473

Always a battle when you're up against Coach Kat.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on February 11, 2009, 03:51:32 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 11, 2009, 01:41:54 PM
The colorful and many-monikered character who has at various times dubbed himself HopeJV, George Bush, Oxy '03 Salem Pavers, and D3Ghetto was usually the guy who sang the praises of Katsiaficas and Pomona-Pitzer in this room. His departure seems to have left a hole in the commentary, 'hoovian.
You mean that there is was a guy with more lives than snoop dawg? :o ::)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on February 11, 2009, 04:09:43 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 11, 2009, 01:41:54 PM
The colorful and many-monikered character who has at various times dubbed himself HopeJV, George Bush, Oxy '03 Salem Pavers, and D3Ghetto was usually the guy who sang the praises of Katsiaficas and Pomona-Pitzer in this room. His departure seems to have left a hole in the commentary, 'hoovian.
Good point, but what about Fosheezie and DJ-Hyphen?  Seems like there were others too...  Or maybe they were just two more iterations of Pavers   :D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: West Coast Bias on February 11, 2009, 04:19:59 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 11, 2009, 02:46:03 PM
Quote from: scandihoovian on February 11, 2009, 01:26:05 PM
PP is in first place, and we have yet to have a single drive by by a PP booster pondering the place of Kats in the pantheon of small college coaching greats

Ken Scalmanini, Claremont  171-99  .633
Rich Rider, Chapman & CLU  379-231  .621
Charlie Katsiaficas, Pomona  339-221  .605
Brian Newhall, Oxy  311-213  .594
Rock Carter, Whittier  175-195  .473

Always a battle when you're up against Coach Kat.

OxyBob


Any idea what the records are for those coaches just in SCIAC play?  I imagine Kat would be at the top, considering how he loves to play the GSAC and go 3-8 in non-conference games.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 11, 2009, 05:15:04 PM
Quote from: West Coast Bias on February 11, 2009, 04:19:59 PM
Any idea what the records are for those coaches just in SCIAC play? 

I don't, but you're welcome to figure it out.

By the way, I went looking for Coach Kat's profile on the Pomona basketball page, but it wouldn't load. I didn't think much of it until I noticed this on that black hole of information known as the SCIAC web page:

Quote
Pomona-Pitzer Athletics Launches New Web Site

Pomona-Pitzer Athletics is pleased to announce the launching of our newly redesigned athletics website. Through a partnership with PrestoSports, the new athletics website features a sleek new design, prominent student-athlete photos, greater in-depth features, and a harmonious blend of technology and education.

http://www.pe.pomona.edu/landing/index

OxyBob 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 12, 2009, 11:26:05 AM
Eyewitness report from Eagle Rock:

Claremont 55, Oxy 33

Claremont swamped Oxy. The Stags were superior in every part of the game. Claremont smothered Oxy's one-two punch Sean Anderson and Jack Hanley. Oxy's other offensive options are very limited, and the Tigers played so deliberately that the Stags knew what was coming every time. On offense Claremont pulled Oxy's big men away from the basket and then took advantage with their quicker guards to get lots of open drives along the baseline. CMS used a 13-1 run to open up a 19-6 lead, and led 35-13 at halftime. Oxy shot only 26.3% on 5-for-19. In the second half the teams played to a ho-hum 20-20 tie. I'd have to go back and check, but I'd surely bet that this was the fewest points scored in a game by a Brian Newhall team.

For CMS, Michael Bagby scored 19, Ben Bergsma had 11, and Chris Blees had 7 points and 8 rebounds. For Oxy, Jack Hanley scored 10. Claremont outrebounded Oxy 28-20.

Redlands put up a good fight at Pomona, but the Sagehens prevailed, 64-55. Justin Sexton had 18 points and 10 rebounds for Pomona, while UR's Patrick Coffey led all scorers with 22.

Cal Lutheran played without injured Andy Meier but came away with a 68-61 win at La Verne. Kyle Knudsen scored 23 and Aaron Van Klaveren had 22 for the Kingsmen. Matt Heyd led the Leopards with 17.

Item about Meier's injury from the Ventura County Star (http://www.venturacountystar.com/news/2009/feb/12/swimsuit-controversy-not-going-away):

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Meier injures knee: The CLU men's basketball team suffered a big loss last Saturday when leading scorer Andy Meier injured his knee during the Kingsmen's victory over Claremont-Mudd-Scripps.

Meier, who was averaging 16.3 points and 8.0 rebounds, was scheduled to receive tests results late Wednesday or today.

"It was a serious injury, and he is out for the foreseeable future," CLU head coach Rich Rider said. "It will definitely be a big blow, but we have to make up for it and accept the challenge and go forward."
...

Whittier had no problem with Caltech. Marcus Gibson and Keegan Hoover each scored 17 in the Poets' 85-45 win. Matt Dellatorre scored 14 and Ryan Elmquist had 12 points and 9 rebounds for CIT.

There's now a clear separation between the top 4 teams vying for spots in the SCIAC conference tournament and the rest of the pack:

Pomona  9-1
Cal Lutheran  7-3
Claremont  7-3
Whittier  7-3
Oxy  5-5
Redlands  3-7
La Verne  2-8
Caltech  0-10

Oxy has a slim chance of making the conference tournament, but the Tigers have to beat Whittier this Saturday and then get some help.

Saturday's schedule, all games 7:30 p.m.:

Redlands (7-14, 3-7) @ La Verne (6-15, 2-8)
Oxy (9-12, 5-5) @ Whittier (13-8, 7-3)
Caltech (1-20, 0-10) @ Cal Lutheran (15-6, 7-3)
Pomona (12-9, 9-1) @ Claremont (15-6, 7-3)

OxyBob
Title: SCIAC Post Season Tournament--CLU Lack of Depth and Leadership Without Mier
Post by: hoopdville on February 13, 2009, 01:16:49 AM
Question of the day, does CLU have enough depth and courage to win any games down the home stretch of SCIAC play without their warrior/heart and sole/leader Andy Meir being out with a season ending knee injury?  Will they be able to hold onto the fourth spot and make the post season tourney or fade into the Southern California sunset?   

1. PP
2. Claremont
3. Whittier
4. ???? CLU/OXY/Redlands
Title: Re: SCIAC Post Season Tournament--CLU Lack of Depth and Leadership Without Mier
Post by: OxyBob on February 13, 2009, 01:44:44 AM
Quote from: hoopdville on February 13, 2009, 01:16:49 AM
Question of the day, does CLU have enough depth and courage to win any games down the home stretch of SCIAC play without their warrior/heart and sole/leader Andy Meir being out with a season ending knee injury?  Will they be able to hold onto the fourth spot and make the post season tourney or fade into the Southern California sunset?

Remaining schedules:

CLU (7-3): CIT, @ UR, @ PP, WC
Oxy (5-5): @ WC, @ CIT, ULV, @ UR
Redlands (3-7): @ ULV, CLU, @ CIT, Oxy

Cal Lutheran beat Oxy twice, so the only way the Tigers can beat out the Kingsmen for the 4th tournament spot is if Oxy wins out and CLU goes 1-3. Cal Lutheran went 2-2 against Caltech, Redlands, Pomona, and Whittier the first time around; Oxy was 4-0 against its 4 remaining opponents. The only way Redlands could catch CLU is if CLU went 0-4 and UR went 4-0. That isn't happening.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on February 13, 2009, 01:49:30 PM
Meier is a great player who plays with tremendous passion, but I think the rest of the roster addressed your question with an amazing second half against CMS.  There's plenty of toughness and heart still on the floor for CLU.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopdville on February 13, 2009, 04:46:44 PM
The question remains is CLU mentally tough enough and disciplined to win on the roac at Redland and Pomona and at home against Whittier?  We will find out over the next 10 days.....
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TeeDub on February 13, 2009, 05:49:49 PM
The bigger question is why hasn't OxyBob started a campaign for Pomona-Pitzer to receive Top 25 votes?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 13, 2009, 06:04:29 PM
Quote from: Jordis Rocks on February 13, 2009, 05:49:49 PM
The bigger question is why hasn't OxyBob started a campaign for Pomona-Pitzer to receive Top 25 votes?

With players studying abroad, Pomona was 2-6. Since getting them all back, they're 10-3 and have a 2-game lead in the conference with 4 to play. Sometimes I think Coach Kat prefers it when no one knows about him and his team.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TeeDub on February 13, 2009, 10:40:11 PM
The only reason I asked is because usually about the time you start to make a case for the SCIAC leader, they drop a game.  :)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 14, 2009, 12:14:20 AM
Quote from: Jordis Rocks on February 13, 2009, 10:40:11 PM
The only reason I asked is because usually about the time you start to make a case for the SCIAC leader, they drop a game.

Case in point...

Tomorrow night: Pomona @ Claremont in the Temple of Doom.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 14, 2009, 11:20:25 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 14, 2009, 12:14:20 AM
Quote from: Jordis Rocks on February 13, 2009, 10:40:11 PM
The only reason I asked is because usually about the time you start to make a case for the SCIAC leader, they drop a game.

Case in point...

Tomorrow night: Pomona @ Claremont in the Temple of Doom.

OxyBob
But if Pomona were to lose that game, couldn't they blame it on the travel and sightseeing? ;D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 14, 2009, 12:01:49 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on February 14, 2009, 11:20:25 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 14, 2009, 12:14:20 AM
Quote from: Jordis Rocks on February 13, 2009, 10:40:11 PM
The only reason I asked is because usually about the time you start to make a case for the SCIAC leader, they drop a game.
Case in point...

Tomorrow night: Pomona @ Claremont in the Temple of Doom.

But if Pomona were to lose that game, couldn't they blame it on the travel and sightseeing?

A 200-yard traffic jam on 6th Street?

This is what it'll look like tonight in Ducey Gym, which is basically a basketball court crammed into a walk-in closet:

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gollom.com%2Fmarx%2Fpics%2Fanoto-stateroom.jpg&hash=23a97d3ecf0072645c5a82c8935232f20622ab02)

Pomona smoked Claremont in their first meeting.

In other games...

Oxy @ Whittier
If Oxy wants to make the conference tournament then the Tigers have to win tonight in the GAC. Otherwise they're toast.

Caltech @ Cal Lutheran
No Andy Meier for CLU will mean no difference in the result.

Redlands @ La Verne
The highly anticipated battle for 6th place.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldchap on February 14, 2009, 07:20:12 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 14, 2009, 12:01:49 PM
If Oxy wants to make the conference tournament

Keep dreaming, Oxybob  ;)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 15, 2009, 11:49:44 AM
Eyewitness report from Whittier:

Whittier 65, Oxy 49

WC: Mike Archuletta 21, Keegan Hoover-David Hayashi-Jeff McLean 10 each
Oxy: Jack Hanley 12, Sean Anderson 10
Halftime: WC 40-26
Rebounds: 27-27

Oxy got off to a good start and led 14-6 at 14:30, but the Poets outscored the Tigers 30-1 over the next 9 minutes and led 36-15. Oxy rallied a bit and trailed 40-26 at halftime. It was 49-37 with 13:30 to go, but David Hayashi hit a couple of 3-balls as part of a 16-4 run, and the Poets put the game away in style. For Whittier, Mike Archuletta led all scorers with 21; Jack Hanley scored 12 for the Tigers.

Whittier's win, combined with Claremont's 62-56 victory over Pomona, dashed Oxy's remaining hopes for a spot in the conference tournament.

Other scores:
Redlands 61, La Verne 48
Cal Lutheran 73, Caltech 45

SCIAC standings:
Pomona  9-2
Cal Lutheran  8-3
Claremont  8-3
Whittier  8-3
Oxy  5-6
Redlands  4-7
La Verne  2-9
Caltech  0-11

Quote from: oldchap on February 14, 2009, 07:20:12 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 14, 2009, 12:01:49 PM
If Oxy wants to make the conference tournament
Keep dreaming, Oxybob

Hey, oldchap, your team's already played a really impressive schedule which includes Caltech (1-21), Swarthmore (2-20), and 4 games against La Sierra (3-20). There's still some time left before the NCAA tournament selection. Maybe Chapman can pad their W-L record and scare up a game against Bard (0-21) or Principia (1-20) or Philadelphia Bible (1-22) before the season ends.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LogShow on February 15, 2009, 11:57:47 AM
How does the SCIAC tournament work?  The NWC changed their format to 4 teams this year.

Sound like Chapman's strength of schedule is the top of its class.  If Chapman does make the NCAA, then they will probably be rewarded with a trip up to Tacoma to take on UPS  :) ...only a slightly better team then the ones OxyBob mentioned
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldchap on February 15, 2009, 05:20:58 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 15, 2009, 11:49:44 AM
Quote from: oldchap on February 14, 2009, 07:20:12 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 14, 2009, 12:01:49 PM
If Oxy wants to make the conference tournament
Keep dreaming, Oxybob

Hey, oldchap, your team's already played a really impressive schedule which includes Caltech (1-21), Swarthmore (2-20), and 4 games against La Sierra (3-20). There's still some time left before the NCAA tournament selection. Maybe Chapman can pad their W-L record and scare up a game against Bard (0-21) or Principia (1-20) or Philadelphia Bible (1-22) before the season ends.

OB, I don't think you saw the irony of my post. But, all I can say is: "Touché !"  ;D

Quote from: LogShow on February 15, 2009, 11:57:47 AM
Sound like Chapman's strength of schedule is the top of its class.  If Chapman does make the NCAA, then they will probably be rewarded with a trip up to Tacoma to take on UPS  :) ...only a slightly better team then the ones OxyBob mentioned

IF they make the playoffs (I'm not so delusional to think they have a big chance), Chapman will probably play the SCIAC winner before taking on UPS. I'm gonna go out on a limb. If this game happens, I bet you CU will win, whoever that might be, CLU, CMS, Pomona or Whittier.

On the other hand, I agree, they have a little better than a zero chance to win against UPS, but neither does any team in the SCIAC.
Title: Re: SCIAC Post Season Tournament--CLU Lack of Depth and Leadership Without Mier
Post by: sciac_is_fun on February 15, 2009, 05:43:34 PM
Quote from: hoopdville on February 13, 2009, 01:16:49 AM
Question of the day, does CLU have enough depth and courage to win any games down the home stretch of SCIAC play without their warrior/heart and sole/leader Andy Meir being out with a season ending knee injury?  Will they be able to hold onto the fourth spot and make the post season tourney or fade into the Southern California sunset?   

Guess we have our easy answer to that question already...

Kingsmen Defeat Caltech, Clinch SCIAC Tournament Berth
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 15, 2009, 05:45:23 PM
Quote from: LogShow on February 15, 2009, 11:57:47 AM
How does the SCIAC tournament work?  The NWC changed their format to 4 teams this year.

4-team tournament, 4 @ 1, 3 @ 2, winners play for conference AQ, highest remaining seed hosts. Too bad the NWC switched from the 3-team format, which is much fairer to the conference champ.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LogShow on February 15, 2009, 08:24:08 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 15, 2009, 05:45:23 PM
Quote from: LogShow on February 15, 2009, 11:57:47 AM
How does the SCIAC tournament work?  The NWC changed their format to 4 teams this year.

4-team tournament, 4 @ 1, 3 @ 2, winners play for conference AQ, highest remaining seed hosts. Too bad the NWC switched from the 3-team format, which is much fairer to the conference champ.

OxyBob

I agree, the 1st place team doesn't get much of a reward.  I guess the coaches wanted more teams to be involved with "postseason" play  :-\
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bbaddict on February 16, 2009, 04:37:52 AM
I think the idea is that if a team is able to win, then they can win the tournament as well.  I think it's more interesting with a 4 team tourney, but my team isn't in 1st place.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TeeDub on February 16, 2009, 03:03:28 PM
I like the 4-team tourney, but it does present one more game of potential injury and/or fatigue leading into the NCAAs.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bbaddict on February 16, 2009, 03:58:06 PM
True, and there's always the risk that your Conference Champ doesn't make it because of one bad game.  On the other hand, if they've had a stellar season, it might mean they & another team get to go.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 17, 2009, 11:42:54 AM
Wednesday's schedule, all games 7:30 p.m.:

Cal Lutheran (16-6, 8-3) @ Redlands (8-14, 4-7)
Whittier (14-8, 8-3) @ Pomona (12-10, 9-2)
Oxy (9-13, 5-6) @ Caltech (1-21, 0-11)
La Verne (6-16, 2-9) @ Claremont (16-6, 8-3)

The top 4 spots in the SCIAC are locked up, but not the order of finish, which will determine the seedings for the conference tournament. Pomona is 9-2, followed by Claremont, Cal Lutheran and Whittier, all 8-3. The team which is most desperate to finish no worse than second and get a home game in the SCIAC tournament has got to be Whittier. Since the '98-'99 season, the Poets are 1-30 when playing at Claremont, Cal Lutheran and Pomona. WC's last road win against those three was at Pomona, where the Poets have lost 5 straight.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Olsen Road on February 19, 2009, 12:31:11 AM
Does anyone know the score or the Whittier v PP game? 

OxyBob, I always look to you for the lastest...anything?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Olsen Road on February 19, 2009, 12:44:36 AM
Log jam with the top four...going to be an interesting two games.

Oxy, always enjoyed the in game updates.  What happened to them?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jack Parkman on February 19, 2009, 12:54:15 AM
Olsen Road-  You get some welcome karma and some for the name. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 19, 2009, 01:35:16 AM
Eyewitness report from Pasadena:

Oxy 85, Caltech 49

Oxy: Sean Anderson 20, Jack Hanley 15, Justin Goltz 12
CIT: Han Bin Man 15, Ryan Elmquist 12, Matt Dellatorre 11
Halftime: Oxy 46-23
Rebounds: Oxy 39-22

Caltech only trailed 24-22 at 7:45, but Oxy outscored CIT 22-1 and led 46-23 at the break. Justin Goltz was 5-for-5 in the second half.

Whittier pulled the upset of the night. The Poets defeated Pomona 76-70 in OT at the Rains Center. David Hayashi led WC with 20 points, Travis Crow had 17, Jeff McLean scored 15, and Mike Archuletta had 14. For Pomona, Justin Sexton scored 25 and had 13 rebounds, David Liss scored 22 and Adam Chiamowitz had 10.

Cal Lutheran beat Redlands 58-43 in Currier Gym. Kyle Knudsen led the Kingsmen with 15 points, Aaron Fisher scored 14 and had 10 rebounds, and Aaron Van Klaveren scored 12 and had 11 rebounds. For UR, Patrick Coffey scored 12.

Claremont edged La Verne 64-61 in Ducey Gym. Chris Blees scored 15 and Jason Toney had 10 for the Stags. For the Leopards, Kyle Luhnow scored 14 and Matt Heyd had 10.

Two games to go and it's a four-way tie at the top of the SCIAC standings:

Cal Lutheran  9-3
Claremont  9-3
Whittier 9-3
Pomona  9-3
Oxy  6-6
Redlands  4-8
La Verne  2-10
Caltech  0-12

Saturday's schedule, all games 7:30 p.m.:

Cal Lutheran (17-6, 9-3) @ Pomona (12-11, 9-3)
Claremont (17-6, 9-3) @ Whittier (15-8, 9-3)
Redlands (8-15, 4-8) @ Caltech (1-22, 0-12)    
La Verne (6-17, 2-10) @ Oxy (10-13, 6-6)

Tuesday's schedule:

Whittier @ Cal Lutheran
Pomona @ La Verne
Oxy @ Redlands
Caltech @ Claremont

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciac_is_fun on February 19, 2009, 02:30:37 AM
It's all set up for two big showdowns on Saturday.  If CLU and Whittier want to have a chance at the regular season title, they'll have to win Saturday.  PP and CMS have LaVerne and Shirley, I mean Caltech, respectively, on the last night of the regular season.

What a fun end to the season!

My predictions:
CLU  L/W
Whittier W/L
CMS  L/W
PP  W/W

PP 11-3
3 teams @ 10-4
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hoopsallthetime on February 19, 2009, 05:18:08 PM
Quote from: Olsen Road on February 19, 2009, 12:44:36 AM
Log jam with the top four...going to be an interesting two games.

Oxy, always enjoyed the in game updates.  What happened to them?

I will tell you why! OXY isn't in the top four, so Bob isn't as animated or excited anymore. This usually happens when you have someone who is dedicated to his team as BoB is. I will say this though...there is no one in the SCIAC who appreciates what OXY BOB has done for our league. He brings excitement to this Blog. I just hope he continues to push the SCIAC in the following week with his expert analysis even though his team isn't playing for anything but for fun!
Big game Saturday night for my Stags! I heard they are trying to drum up excitement in Whittier to bring nastier fans to the gym. Good Luck with that! I know the stags will be ready Saturday Night.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 19, 2009, 05:24:15 PM
Quote from: cmsstag on February 19, 2009, 05:18:08 PM
I will say this though...there is no one in the SCIAC who appreciates what OXY BOB has done for our league.

I suspect you meant the opposite of what you said. :)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bbaddict on February 19, 2009, 06:01:25 PM
Yeah,  you gotta like OB -- even when you don't agree with him.  He's pretty funny!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 19, 2009, 06:10:41 PM
Quote from: cmsstag on February 19, 2009, 05:18:08 PM
I just hope he continues to push the SCIAC in the following week with his expert analysis even though his team isn't playing for anything but for fun!

I plan to be at the Whittier-CLU game next Tuesday, and look forward to the conference tournament.

That was a huge win last night for Whittier against Pomona.

Whitter 3-1 vs. Claremont (0-1), Cal Lutheran (1-0) and Pomona (2-0)
Pomona 2-3 vs. Claremont (1-1), Cal Lutheran (1-0) and Whittier (0-2)
Claremont 3-2 vs. Cal Lutheran (1-1), Whittier (1-0) and Pomona (1-1)
Cal Lutheran 1-3 vs. Claremont (1-1), Whittier (0-1) and Pomona (0-1)

The pressure's on Claremont and Cal Lutheran this Saturday!

Travis Haussler was dressed in a suit and limping around badly last night at Caltech. It's unlikely that he'll be ready to play for CIT against Redlands this Saturday, which is Senior Night for Haussler and 5 of his teammates.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciacguru on February 21, 2009, 03:10:18 PM
Hey Pat?!?!?!

How bout some love on the D3hoops home page for the SCIAC?  4 teams tied for 1st, playing each other tonight for not only the SCIAC regular season championship, but also for that important higher seed in the SCIAC tourney.  I dont think there is a closer race in all the country.....is there??
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 21, 2009, 05:41:55 PM
Quote from: sciacguru on February 21, 2009, 03:10:18 PM
How bout some love on the D3hoops home page for the SCIAC?  4 teams tied for 1st, playing each other tonight for not only the SCIAC regular season championship, but also for that important higher seed in the SCIAC tourney. 

Also on tap tonight...

Redlands @ Caltech: The Beavers' will try to end their 24-year, 285-game conference losing streak.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 22, 2009, 01:59:51 AM
The SUNYAC has that beat with four teams finishing the regular season tied for first but still throwing "some love" at the SCIAC regardless.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Olsen Road on February 22, 2009, 03:53:34 AM
"
Quote from: cmsstag on February 19, 2009, 05:18:08 PM
Quote from: Olsen Road on February 19, 2009, 12:44:36 AM
Log jam with the top four...going to be an interesting two games.

Oxy, always enjoyed the in game updates.  What happened to them?

I will tell you why! OXY isn't in the top four, so Bob isn't as animated or excited anymore. This usually happens when you have someone who is dedicated to his team as BoB is. I will say this though...there is no one in the SCIAC who appreciates what OXY BOB has done for our league. He brings excitement to this Blog. I just hope he continues to push the SCIAC in the following week with his expert analysis even though his team isn't playing for anything but for fun!
Big game Saturday night for my Stags! I heard they are trying to drum up excitement in Whittier to bring nastier fans to the gym. Good Luck with that! I know the stags will be ready Saturday Night.

"Karma for the welcome and some for the name"....thank you Jack (how much Karma do I receive?).  Always been on d3hoops, but never very active. 

Very interesting in what has happened this past night with the CLU and CMS wins.  Does someone know the tie-breaker system?  Regardless, Tuesday night is going to be enjoyable to find out the seeding.  I will be tracking CLU on KATY-TV.com.  Does anyone know how to keep tabs on CMS?

By the way OxyBob, always like reading the commentary. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciac_is_fun on February 22, 2009, 11:28:09 AM
CMS has effectively clinched at least a share of the conference title (vs. Caltech on Tuesday).  Now it's up to Cal Lu to beat Whittier to share it with them.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cmsme on February 22, 2009, 02:55:04 PM
My son is a freshman on the Claremont team, and i am wondering how the playoffs work.  The tournament semi-final games seem to be at same time.  Does the #1 team get a home game and the others play at Occidental? 
Does the winner of the tournament have a definite spot and the league champ maybe gets a spot? 
I saw that last year Pomona and Occidental played against each other in the first game after the tournament.  Is that always the case where the first game is against a team from the SCIA?  And what happens after that? 
thank you.
???
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 22, 2009, 02:57:25 PM
Quote from: sciac_is_fun on February 22, 2009, 11:28:09 AM
CMS has effectively clinched at least a share of the conference title (vs. Caltech on Tuesday).  Now it's up to Cal Lu to beat Whittier to share it with them.

Someone from the SCIAC office can correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe CMS also clinched the No. 1 seed in the SCIAC tournament. CMS and CLU split their 2 games and they both also split with Pomona, but the Stags swept Whittier, which gives CMS the edge. And if someone from the SCIAC office actually said anything in public, I'd probably faint dead away.

Great job by Claremont and Cal Lutheran last night.

Claremont 77, Whittier 74

CMS: Chris Blees 23 pts and 8 rebs, Austin Soldner 14 pts and 6 rebs, Jason Toney 13, Connor Faught 11
WC: David Hayshi and Marcus Gibson 12 each, AJ Manolo 11
Halftime: CMS 34-24
Rebounds: WC 34-24

From the Whittier web site and the box score, it's a little confusing as to exactly what happened. According to the game write-up:

QuoteThe Whittier College men's basketball team trailed by as many as 19 points with less than seven minutes to play in Saturday night's conference tilt against Claremont-Mudd-Scripps and pulled within one-point on a David Hayashi three-pointer with two seconds left but that would be as close as the Poets would get.

The Stags closed the door on the Whittier comeback with a pair of free throws by Ben Bergsma who sealed the deal for Claremont in its 77-74 win over the Poets.
...

The Poets trailed 67-48 with 6:23 to play in the game and went on a 26-9 run capped by the Hayashi three to pull within one.

The box score (http://wcpoets.com/sports/mbkb/2008-09/Stats/wcmbkb24.htm), however, shows that Hayashi's 3-ball tied the game at 74, and then Bergsma made 2 FTs and Austin Soldner made one FT for the final margin of victory. Also, 67-48 + 26-9 = 76-74, which by my calculation is a two-point lead. Whittier's never been known for its math skills.

Cal Lutheran 61, Pomona 52

CLU: Kyle Knudsen 21 pts and 9 rebs, Aaron Van Klaveren 15 pts and 8 rebs, Aaron Fisher 16 pts and 7 rebs
PP: Justin Sexton 15 pts and 9 rebs, Gabe Porter 15 pts and 7 rebs, David Liss 11
Halftime: PP 29-24
Rebounds: 36-36

Pomona led 33-26 with 16 minutes left, but Cal Lutheran broke a 41-41 tie on Aaron Van Klaveren's jumper, and the Kingsmen led the rest of the way. CLU won its 6th straight while Pomona, which was sitting pretty in 1st place at 9-1, lost its third straight and dropped into 4th place.

Oxy 67, La Verne 54

Oxy: Jack Hanley 21, Sean Anderson 15 pts and 7 rebs, David Ostrow 11 pts, 5 rebs, 8 assists, 5 steals, Justin Goltz 7 pts and 9 rebs
ULV: Kyle Luhnow 11 pts and 7 rebs
Halftime: Oxy 37-27
Rebounds: Oxy 37-36

La Verne cut Oxy's 10-point halftime lead to 1 at 45-44, but Oxy went on a 15-2 run over a 6-minute span and cruised home with the win.

Eyewitness report from Pasadena:

Redlands 87, Caltech 72

UR: Andrew Maertens 20, Matt Dietrich 19, Patrick Coffey 18, Travis Miller and Andrew Mills 10 each
CIT: Ryan Elmquist 25 pts and 10 rebs, Matt Dellatorre 21, Han Bin Man 11
Halftime UR 55-35
Rebounds: CIT 36-34

Same old story for Caltech. The game was tied 13-13 at 12:05 when Redlands went on a 14-0 run and led 27-13. The Bulldogs put on a 3-point shooting exhibition in the first half, hitting on 8 including 5 in a row. Caltech was no slouch, hitting 7-of-9 3-balls in the first half.

That's 286 straight conference losses for CIT stretching back to 1985.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hoopsallthetime on February 22, 2009, 04:01:39 PM
Quote from: cmsme on February 22, 2009, 02:55:04 PM
My son is a freshman on the Claremont team, and i am wondering how the playoffs work.  The tournament semi-final games seem to be at same time.  Does the #1 team get a home game and the others play at Occidental? 
Does the winner of the tournament have a definite spot and the league champ maybe gets a spot? 
I saw that last year Pomona and Occidental played against each other in the first game after the tournament.  Is that always the case where the first game is against a team from the SCIA?  And what happens after that? 
thank you.
???


Well CMCME it's a good thing your son picked a great school and basketball progam to go to. They are going to be SCIAC Champs on Tuesday night after they dismantle the beavers. Hopefully Whittier will be pissed off that they got there butts spanked last night and will go down to Cal Lutheran and beat them so we are out right champs. I will talk about the game in a minute.
First to help you out my fellow stag! The Stags should be the 1st seed for the tournament which means we will have a home game Friday night at Ducey Gym starting at 7:30 against either Cal Lu, Pomona, or Whittier.  MY guess is that it will be Whittier. The other two teams which will probably be Cal Lu and Pomona will probably play at Cal Lu (unless they lose Tuesday) on Firday at 7:30 as well. After CMS wins friday night, we will host Saturday night against the winner of the #2 vs. #3 game at 7:30 in Ducey Gym. i hope that helps you out, and I hope we see you at the game. The gym will be rocking and will be packed so get there early. Who knows we may even be blessed and have OXY BOB at the game.
Now as for the game last night against Whittier. CMS basically dominated Whittier on both ends of the court for the majority of the game. So her is the real eyewitness report from someone who was there. i was hoping to see the grey fox (oxy bob) but he was no where to be found. Stags led at halftime 34-24 and basically dominated the second part of the first half. The stags led by as many as 14 in the first half, but timely shooting at the end of the half kept the game closer than it appeared. The Stags came out in the second half and showed why defense wins championships. Whittier had trouble scoring against the stags tough man to man defense and were caught throwing up shots that most coaches would pull there hair out watching. Stags were up by at much as 17 in the second half when Whittier began to make a little comeback. With timely ridiculous callsl coming from our favorite SCIAC officials and some lucky 3 point shots, whittier began a little comeback. CMS missed the a couple of free throws and they made it closer than it really was. The game was never tied, and the stags had control throughout the game. Jason Toney had 13 pts, Blees had 23 pts and 8 rebs, Soldner 14 pts and 6 rebs, and faught had 11 off the bench. For whittier, Gibson had 12 pts, Manalo had 11 pts, and Hayashi had 12. Archuletta when he wasn't wining about how unfair things were that things weren't going his way had a quiet 8 pts. Stags played well and Coach Scalmanini did a great job preparing his players for a tough battle. Nice job Coach!

So here is how I see things panning out!

Friday Night-
CMS vs. Whittier
Cal Lutheran vs Pomona (@ Cal Lutheran)

Saturday Night-
CMS vs. Cal Lutheran (@ Claremont)

Good luck Whittier on Saturday Night. I think this is the only time I will actually say that!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on February 22, 2009, 04:38:39 PM
Quote from: cmsstag on February 22, 2009, 04:01:39 PM
i was hoping to see the grey fox (oxy bob) but he was no where to be found.
I live in Dallas, so my visits to SCIAC games are rare.  I have, however, met OxyBob, and you should know that I am much better looking. ;D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on February 22, 2009, 06:16:14 PM
Who isn't?
;D

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopdville on February 22, 2009, 07:53:13 PM
Nothing better than seeing the want to be Whittier Poets (is that a real mascot?) continue their 20+ years of not winning a SCIAC Title.....boy for the most athletic team on the West Coast...it is business as usual in the SCIAC over the past 18 years.  CMS, P-P, and CLU f(and OXY the last 5-6 years ) battling it out for the chance to go to the NCAA Tournament.

Hats off to CLU, as I surely didn't think they had the maturity or depth to win 5 games in a row without Meire....Tuesday's game will be interest at CLU with Whittier.  Can the young iron five continue to prove the critics wrong?

Congrats to CMS (and CLU?) for winning the regular season championship.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 22, 2009, 10:13:12 PM
Quote from: cmsme on February 22, 2009, 02:55:04 PM
My son is a freshman on the Claremont team, and i am wondering how the playoffs work.  The tournament semi-final games seem to be at same time.  Does the #1 team get a home game and the others play at Occidental? 

No. 4 seed plays at No. 1 seed, and No. 3 seed plays at No. 2 seed. Winners play at the higher remaining seed.

Quote from: cmsme on February 22, 2009, 02:55:04 PM
Does the winner of the tournament have a definite spot and the league champ maybe gets a spot? 

Winner of the conference tournament is the SCIAC Pool A automatic qualifier for the NCAA tournament. Other SCIAC teams could qualify for an at-large Pool C bid, but this season the SCIAC is down, so it's very, very unlikely that the conference will get more than one team in the tournament. This years it's win the SCIAC tournament or go home.

Quote from: cmsme on February 22, 2009, 02:55:04 PM
I saw that last year Pomona and Occidental played against each other in the first game after the tournament.  Is that always the case where the first game is against a team from the SCIA?  And what happens after that? 

The NCAA D-III championship handbook provides:

QuoteTeams from the same conference do not have to play one another in the first round as long as geographic proximity is maintained.

This rule is known as the "SCIAC Exception." That's why Pomona and Oxy played each other in the first round. In a fairly seeded tournament they wouldn't have played each other, but in D-III the NCAA only pretends to be fair. It's a complete joke, but there's nothing that can be done about it. Best thing to do is to always assume that the SCIAC teams will get screwed in the pairings.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciac_is_fun on February 23, 2009, 01:18:32 AM
Quote from: hoopdville on February 22, 2009, 07:53:13 PM
Hats off to CLU, as I surely didn't think they had the maturity or depth to win 5 games in a row without Meire....Tuesday's game will be interest at CLU with Whittier.  Can the young iron five continue to prove the critics wrong? 

Depth in college basketball is overrated.  Partially depends on style of course, as  I'm sure Puget Sound depends on have some sort of depth.  But I think "flow" can be just important as depth at this level (and lower levels).  In some cases, supposed depth can interrupt the rhythm that good players get into. 

Looking forward to Tuesday night's game.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 23, 2009, 12:25:56 PM
Quote from: hoopdville on February 22, 2009, 07:53:13 PM
Hats off to CLU, as I surely didn't think they had the maturity or depth to win 5 games in a row without Meire....Tuesday's game will be interest at CLU with Whittier.  Can the young iron five continue to prove the critics wrong?

Tuesday's schedule, all games 7:30 p.m.:

Whittier (15-9, 9-4) @ Cal Lutheran (18-6, 10-3)
Oxy (11-13, 7-6) @ Redlands (9-15, 5-8)
Caltech (1-23, 0-13) @ Claremont (18-6, 10-3)
Pomona (12-12, 9-4) @ La Verne (6-18, 2-11)

CMS will have no problem with CIT, and the Stags will be the No. 1 seed in the conference tournament.

Huge game for Whittier at CLU. If the Poets win then they'll host a tournament game as No. 2 seed; WC has the tiebreaker with CLU because the Poets beat Pomona twice and CLU split with the Sagehens.

If Pomona wins and CLU loses then both teams will be 10-4. They split their 2 games, will each be 0-2 against Whittier, 1-1 against CMS, and 2-0 against Oxy, ULV, Redlands and Caltech. Not sure what the next tiebreaker is. If it's overall record then CLU would be the No. 3 seed.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TeeDub on February 23, 2009, 01:27:09 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 22, 2009, 02:57:25 PM
Eyewitness report from Pasadena:

Redlands 87, Caltech 72

UR: Andrew Maertens 20, Matt Dietrich 19, Patrick Coffey 18, Travis Miller and Andrew Mills 10 each
CIT: Ryan Elmquist 25 pts and 10 rebs, Matt Dellatorre 21, Han Bin Man 11
Halftime UR 55-35
Rebounds: CIT 36-34

Same old story for Caltech. The game was tied 13-13 at 12:05 when Redlands went on a 14-0 run and led 27-13. The Bulldogs put on a 3-point shooting exhibition in the first half, hitting on 8 including 5 in a row. Caltech was no slouch, hitting 7-of-9 3-balls in the first half.

That's 286 straight conference losses for CIT stretching back to 1985.

OxyBob

The game was covered on the news by KCAL 9 (tv).  If I were Redlands, I'd be offended.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 23, 2009, 02:04:47 PM
Quote from: Jordis Rocks on February 23, 2009, 01:27:09 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 22, 2009, 02:57:25 PM
Redlands 87, Caltech 72
The game was covered on the news by KCAL 9 (tv).  If I were Redlands, I'd be offended.

In 24 games this season Caltech only won 4 halves of basketball, and 2 of them were against Redlands. If I were you, I'd be offended by the state of Bulldogs b-ball.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TeeDub on February 23, 2009, 02:48:03 PM
Absolutely, they should mix it up a little...maybe run "The System"  ;D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Olsen Road on February 25, 2009, 12:32:49 AM
With the CLU defeat to Whittier, who will be the 3 and 4 seed in this tourney?  Anyone know the tiebreaker system in the SCIAC?

Whittier and CLU must have been a great game, I was not able to get the game on KADY-TV (too many fans on the website?), but was able to catch the updates via SCIAC scoreboard.  Did Whittier hit a last second 3?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldchap on February 25, 2009, 12:54:15 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 23, 2009, 02:04:47 PM
In 24 games this season Caltech only won 4 halves of basketball, and 2 of them were against Redlands. If I were you, I'd be offended by the state of Bulldogs b-ball.

OxyBob

Are we talking about the same team that just beat Oxy tonight??
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 25, 2009, 01:39:15 AM
Eyewitness report from Thousand Oaks:

Whittier 68, Cal Lutheran 66

WC: Keegan Hoover 15 pts and 12 rebs, Marcus Gibson 13, Travis Crow 11
CLU: Kyle Knudsen 21, Aaron Fisher 16 pts and 7 rebs, Greg Grimm 12, Aaron Van Klaveren 9 pts and 14 rebs
Halftime: WC 35-24
Rebounds: WC 37-31

Great game between Whittier and Cal Lutheran. In the first half, it was tied 14-all at 9:10, but then CLU got caught up trying to play Whittier's up-tempo transition game and the Poets took advantage. Marcus Gibson hit back-to-back 3-balls as part of a 17-6 run, the Poets led 31-20, and Whittier took an 11-point lead at halftime. Ken Albritton's layup out of the break gave Whittier a 37-24 lead, but CLU started chipping away. Greg Grimm's jumper gave CLU the lead 44-43 at 12:20, and another Grimm jumper gave the Kingsmen a 55-49 lead with just under 7 minutes to go. The Poets came back with 7 straight and led 56-55 at 5:30, but CLU answered with 6 points of their own and led 61-56 with 2:35 left. After a couple of FTs by Jeff McClean, Travis Crow made a layup and a 3-pointer and Whittier was back in front 63-61 with 55 seconds to go. After a timeout, Kyle Knudsen canned a 3-pointer and CLU was up by 1, 64-63, with 48 seconds left. Marcus Gibson came right back and hit a short jumper to give WC the lead by 1 with 26 seconds left. Out of another timeout Knudsen scored in close with 12.6 seconds left to put CLU back in front. Whittier brought the ball upcourt and called TO with 3.9 seconds to go. On the inbounds pass, Grimm almost stole the ball but couldn't stay in bounds, and WC had it with 3.1 seconds. The ball was inbounded to Gibson, who launched a 25-footer from the wing and -- SWISH! -- in it went with 0.8 to go. Grimm's desperation heave was no good, and Whittier won it, 68-66.

With the win, Whittier gets the No. 2 seed in the conference tournament and will host either CLU or Pomona.

With its win over Caltech combined with the CLU loss, Claremont is the outright SCIAC champ. Congratulations to the Stags.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciac_is_fun on February 25, 2009, 01:56:47 AM
CLU-Whittier was an unbelievable game.  I don't know if I've ever been to a game with so many emotional turns in the final minute. 

Disclaimer: I know OxyBob posted while I was writing, but this was a game so good it's worth reading about twice.  :)

Whittier pulled ahead in the first half and once again CLU found themselves down significantly at the half, this time by 11.  But just like the CMS game, they came out in the second half and would not be denied.  It seemed like most of the building knew the game was far from over, especially after the CMS game.  After the Poets made the first hoops of the half to up 37-24, CLU fought back and finally took the lead at 44-43 with a Greg Grimm jumper at a bit over 12 minutes to go.  CLU had the lead for most of the rest of the game, until the final minute.

That's when Travis Crow hit a huge 3 with :55 left to put Whittier up by 2.  After a timeout by CLU, Knudsen comes down with ice in his veins and just nails a 3 to but the Kingsmen back up by 2.  Marcus Gibson comes back and hits to put the Poets back up by 1, before Knudsen comes back and posts up on the right block, spins back to his left and laying it in with his left hand.  With :14 left, Whittier inbounds the ball without calling a timeout, but as a play begins to develop they finally do call one with 3 seconds left.  After CLU calls a timeout after seeing how the Poets are lining up, Whittier inbounds under their own basket.  CLU deflects the first inbounds pass, leaving 2.8 seconds.  Marcus Gibson catches the inbounds on the left wing, maybe 6 feet behind the 3 point line and jacks from there.  Nothing but net.

Most of the Whittier players start celebrating - meanwhile there is still .8 on the clock, and if the Kingsmen were alert they may have had a good last shot with very little defense - most of the Whittier team was in a pile along the bench where Gibson hit the shot.  But a couple of Whittier players realize the game's not over, and get over half court before CLU can throw a long inbounds.  Instead CLU ends up with a 60-foot heave that actually got quite close before falling just short of the rim. 

Obviously a heartbreaking loss for the Kingsmen, and now they'll have to go on the road for the first game of the tournament. 

Knudsen almost willed CLU to victory in the 2nd half, scoring  19 of his 21 and shooting 7-10 in that frame.  Aaron Fisher, who along with Knudsen played all 40 minutes, had another strong game and some hugh buckets with 16 pts, 7 rebs, and 4 stls.  Van Klaveren fought through some foul trouble to contribute 9 pts and 14 rebs.  Unfortunately he probably had about 5 would-be 3 point play opportunities roll off the rim, and shot just 5-12 from the line. 

For the Poets, Keegan Hoover had 15 and 12, Gibson had 13 pts/4 asts, and Archuletta had what looked at times to be a very frustrating 6 pts and 8 rebs.

Before the final minute, the play of the game was Knudsen's almost-dunk (it went in, just wasn't a clean dunk) over Hoover to put CLU up by 6 with just under 10 minutes to go.  Didn't know he had that in him.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 25, 2009, 02:09:09 AM
Quote from: sciac_is_fun on February 25, 2009, 01:56:47 AM
Van Klaveren fought through some foul trouble to contribute 9 pts and 14 rebs.  Unfortunately he probably had about 5 would-be 3 point play opportunities roll off the rim, and shot just 5-12 from the line.

Whittier 7-for-10 FTs, CLU only 14-for-24.

I spoke with CLU's Andy Meier, who's obviously disappointed and frustrated that he's injured and can't play. He said that he has a torn MCL, the same injury that befell the Lakers' Andrew Bynum. Meier said he wouldn't need surgery and that he'd be out of commission for 3 months.

Quote from: OxyBob on February 23, 2009, 12:25:56 PM
If Pomona wins and CLU loses then both teams will be 10-4. They split their 2 games, will each be 0-2 against Whittier, 1-1 against CMS, and 2-0 against Oxy, ULV, Redlands and Caltech. Not sure what the next tiebreaker is.

EDIT: According to both the Whittier (http://wcpoets.com/sports/mbkb/2008-09/news/recap_clu2) web site and the Cal Lutheran (http://www.clusports.com/mens_basketball/news/5337) web site, Pomona and CLU will flip a coin Wednesday morning to determine the Nos. 3 and 4 seeds in the SCIAC tournament.

The coin flip is an acceptable way to break a tie, although then there's the quandry of deciding who gets to call heads or tails. Personally, I think all disputes can and should be resolved by a dice roll, or even this:

QuoteNevada Election Winner Determined by Card Draw (http://www.lasvegasnow.com/global/story.asp?s=9689647)

More than two months after the Nov. 4 election, the winner of a local race has been determined Nevada-style: by a draw of the cards.

Kim Toulouse drew an ace of clubs to beat Chris Sewell's 10 of spades on Thursday night for a seat on the Verdi Television District board.

State law allows candidates to settle ties by either drawing cards or flipping a coin.

Toulouse and Sewell tied in the November election with 1,839 votes each.

Toulouse lost an initial card draw (he picked a three to Sewell's seven) before Washoe County election officials discovered 47 people had not been allowed to vote.

They were mailed absentee ballots, but only eight returned them, giving each man two more votes to continue the tie.

Toulouse expressed relief after the second draw ended the impasse.

"I was very surprised we tied the first time," he told Reno's KTVN-TV. "And then to tie a second time, what are the odds? We now can just move on with everything."

In the last decade, Nevada's tie-breaking method also was used to settle a White Pine County commission race in 2004 and an Esmeralda County commission race in 2002.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 25, 2009, 02:18:47 PM
SCIAC Tournament Semifinals, Friday, Feb. 27, 7:30 p.m.:

Pomona (13-12, 10-4) @ Whittier (16-9, 10-4)
Cal Lutheran (18-7, 10-4) @ Claremont (19-6, 11-3)

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on February 25, 2009, 02:23:09 PM
So, CLU won't be appearing on one of those TV poker shows. 8)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 25, 2009, 02:26:39 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 25, 2009, 02:18:47 PM
SCIAC Tournament Semifinals, Friday, Feb. 27, 7:30 p.m.:

Pomona (13-12, 10-4) @ Whittier (16-9, 10-4)
Cal Lutheran (18-7, 10-4) @ Claremont (19-6, 11-3)

OxyBob

The NCAA is shocked--shocked!--at this profligate waste of travel monies when a more expedient solution was readily available.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D O.C. on February 25, 2009, 02:42:31 PM
QuoteThe coin flip is an acceptable way to break a tie,

I wouldn't bet on it.   8)
Title: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference tournament
Post by: greyskies on February 25, 2009, 06:53:39 PM
Hello,
I have a son playing for CMS and I was wondering if admission to tournament games is free and whether games sale out or not.  In other words how early show I arrive?
thanks in advance

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gromek on February 25, 2009, 09:17:46 PM
Last year, at this time.  Was Oxy  ranked with the top 25 teams in Div. lll  ?

No charge at CMS games.  Be early if playing Pomona.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference tournament
Post by: Gray Fox on February 25, 2009, 11:11:05 PM
Quote from: greyskies on February 25, 2009, 06:53:39 PM
Hello,
I have a son playing for CMS and I was wondering if admission to tournament games is free and whether games sale out or not.  In other words how early show I arrive?
thanks in advance


If they get to the NCAA playoffs, there is a small charge.  Good luck to all. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 25, 2009, 11:43:40 PM
Quote from: Gromek on February 25, 2009, 09:17:46 PM
Last year, at this time.  Was Oxy  ranked with the top 25 teams in Div. lll  ?

No charge at CMS games.  Be early if playing Pomona.

Yes.

http://www.d3hoops.com/top25/08/week13.htm

They were also 21-4 at the time.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 25, 2009, 11:51:44 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on February 25, 2009, 02:26:39 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 25, 2009, 02:18:47 PM
SCIAC Tournament Semifinals, Friday, Feb. 27, 7:30 p.m.:

Pomona (13-12, 10-4) @ Whittier (16-9, 10-4)
Cal Lutheran (18-7, 10-4) @ Claremont (19-6, 11-3)

OxyBob

The NCAA is shocked--shocked!--at this profligate waste of travel monies when a more expedient solution was readily available.
The bean counters must hoping to make it up in the finals.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: greyskies on February 26, 2009, 03:48:12 PM
I've uploaded pictures form a preseason CMS-UC Santa Cruz game for those who may be interested, see attached link.  I'm going to upload the last CMS - Pomona game tonight as well..  Pictures are not great, usually I do better but I was stuck in the bleachers with my 4 year old daughter stuck underfoot.  I hope to capture better pictures of the CMS team play at the SCAIC tournament.

http://flickr.com/photos/greyskies/sets/72157614388277093/ (http://flickr.com/photos/greyskies/sets/72157614388277093/)

greyskies
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 26, 2009, 05:07:54 PM
Quote from: greyskies on February 26, 2009, 03:48:12 PM
I've uploaded pictures form a preseason CMS-UC Santa Cruz game

Non-conference, not preseason. ;)

Great pictures, though!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on February 26, 2009, 05:14:13 PM
Do they play on a jai alai court in Santa Cruz?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on February 26, 2009, 05:16:32 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 25, 2009, 11:51:44 PM
The bean counters must hoping to make it up in the finals.
Good one, Ralph.  But I didn't get the humor until I read it the second time.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 26, 2009, 05:26:19 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on February 26, 2009, 05:14:13 PM
Do they play on a jai alai court in Santa Cruz?

Here's another shot of the inside of UCSC's fieldhouse:

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.goslugs.com%2Finfo%2Ffacilities%2Fwestfieldhouse.jpg&hash=5099a7b104afd7fe18d18ba885ec5f9ee71eac0c)

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gromek on February 26, 2009, 05:27:55 PM
Great pictures of the Santa Cruz game.  Joseph brings wonderful energy and athletic skills to the team.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: greyskies on February 26, 2009, 09:56:31 PM
 a couple pictures of the last CMS vs Pomona game
http://www.flickr.com/photos/greyskies/sets/72157614489782290/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/greyskies/sets/72157614489782290/)
I had to add some fill so hence the pictures of my family at the game

hope to take quality pictures this weekend
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pineconefan on February 27, 2009, 02:51:57 AM
Looking to check out the games online on Friday night.  Anyone know if either CMS or Whittier will have live stats, live video or live audio tomorrow?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 27, 2009, 03:12:06 AM
Quote from: pineconefan on February 27, 2009, 02:51:57 AM
Looking to check out the games online on Friday night.  Anyone know if either CMS or Whittier will have live stats, live video or live audio tomorrow?

It looks like CMS will have a broadcast:

http://www.cmsathletics.org/links/2y9qh8

Don't see anything for Pomona @ Whittier.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D O.C. on February 27, 2009, 09:40:57 AM
What's interesting about the UCSC "field house" picture is that if you look at the base board running along the diagonal on the left, you can plainly see the slime trail remnant of the banana slugs.  8)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hoopsallthetime on February 27, 2009, 05:00:47 PM
Quote from: Gromek on February 25, 2009, 09:17:46 PM
Last year, at this time.  Was Oxy  ranked with the top 25 teams in Div. lll  ?

No charge at CMS games.  Be early if playing Pomona.

I just heard that this year they are charging at both home sites for the 1st round and Championship game. $2 for children under 12 and Seniors. $5 for adults. All students/facutly/staff with a valid college ID will not be charged at the game. Just thought I would give everyone the scoop.

I also heard that CMS is having a "White out in Ducey Gym" night asking all CMS fans to wear white shirts or buy a 6th man shirt at the game for $5. Should be a great atmosphere tonight!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 27, 2009, 07:28:41 PM
Quote from: cmsstag on February 27, 2009, 05:00:47 PM
Quote from: Gromek on February 25, 2009, 09:17:46 PM
No charge at CMS games.  Be early if playing Pomona.
I just heard that this year they are charging at both home sites for the 1st round and Championship game. $2 for children under 12 and Seniors. $5 for adults. All students/facutly/staff with a valid college ID will not be charged at the game. Just thought I would give everyone the scoop.

I was charged $2 at Oxy last night for the women's semifinal against Whittier. The Oxy kid in the ticket booth assumed I was a "senior." Thanks a whole big bunch, you little whippersnapper.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 27, 2009, 07:43:21 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 27, 2009, 07:28:41 PM
Quote from: cmsstag on February 27, 2009, 05:00:47 PM
Quote from: Gromek on February 25, 2009, 09:17:46 PM
No charge at CMS games.  Be early if playing Pomona.
I just heard that this year they are charging at both home sites for the 1st round and Championship game. $2 for children under 12 and Seniors. $5 for adults. All students/facutly/staff with a valid college ID will not be charged at the game. Just thought I would give everyone the scoop.

I was charged $2 at Oxy last night for the women's semifinal against Whittier. The Oxy kid in the ticket booth assumed I was a "senior." Thanks a whole big bunch, you little whippersnapper.

OxyBob

But I'm guessing your pride didn't extend to forking over the extra $3! :D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on February 27, 2009, 09:39:46 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on February 27, 2009, 07:43:21 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 27, 2009, 07:28:41 PM
Quote from: cmsstag on February 27, 2009, 05:00:47 PM
Quote from: Gromek on February 25, 2009, 09:17:46 PM
No charge at CMS games.  Be early if playing Pomona.
I just heard that this year they are charging at both home sites for the 1st round and Championship game. $2 for children under 12 and Seniors. $5 for adults. All students/facutly/staff with a valid college ID will not be charged at the game. Just thought I would give everyone the scoop.

I was charged $2 at Oxy last night for the women's semifinal against Whittier. The Oxy kid in the ticket booth assumed I was a "senior." Thanks a whole big bunch, you little whippersnapper.

OxyBob

But I'm guessing your pride didn't extend to forking over the extra $3! :D
He could have shown his press pass and gotten in for free. ;D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TeeDub on February 28, 2009, 02:34:22 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 27, 2009, 07:28:41 PM
Quote from: cmsstag on February 27, 2009, 05:00:47 PM
Quote from: Gromek on February 25, 2009, 09:17:46 PM
No charge at CMS games.  Be early if playing Pomona.
I just heard that this year they are charging at both home sites for the 1st round and Championship game. $2 for children under 12 and Seniors. $5 for adults. All students/facutly/staff with a valid college ID will not be charged at the game. Just thought I would give everyone the scoop.

I was charged $2 at Oxy last night for the women's semifinal against Whittier. The Oxy kid in the ticket booth assumed I was a "senior." Thanks a whole big bunch, you little whippersnapper.

OxyBob

You are a senior (citizen).
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cmsme on February 28, 2009, 09:37:24 AM
Any predictions for tonights game?
:o  :o  :o
ps to Oxybob & CMSstag--thank you for previous information.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 28, 2009, 09:37:50 AM
SCIAC Semifinals

Claremont 60, Cal Lutheran 54

CMS: Chris Blees 14 pts and 9 rebs, Jason Toney 12 pts, 7 rebs, 5 assists, 3 steals, Connor Faught 11
CLU: Kyle Knudsen 29, Aaron Fisher 19 pts and 13 rebs
Halftime: CMS 28-18
Rebounds: CMS 37-31

Cal Lutheran shot a miserable 26% on 6-for-23 in the first half. Claremont built a 15-point lead at 28-13 with 3:10 left before CLU rallied and trailed by 10, 28-18, at the break. Kyle Knudsen made three 3-pointers as part of a 15-5 run, and the Kingsmen tied it at 33 with 14 minutes left. Aaron Van Klaveren's 3-point play gave CLU a 48-44 lead, but the Stags retook the lead on Connor Faught's 3-ball, and then Chris Blees' layup and 2 FTs by Jason Toney made it a 9-0 run, and CMS led 53-48. The Stags made 7-of-8 FTs in the last minute to preserve the lead. CMS was only 6-for-20 FGs (30%) in the second half, but made up for it with 18-for-23 FTs (19-for-25 total). Cal Lutheran finishes the season 18-8.

Pomona 92, Whittier 76

PP: David Liss 27 pts, 4 rebs and 3 assists, Jeremy Namkung 19 pts and 5 rebs, Justin Sexton 16 pts, 11 rebs, 4 assists, 2 blocks and 2 steals, Adam Chaimowitz 10
WC: Travis Crow 15 pts, 4 rebs and 4 assists, Mike Archuletta 12 pts, 6 rebs, 4 assists and 3 blocks, Marcus Gibson 14
Halftime: Pomona 47-32
Rebounds: Pomona 39-30

Pomona led from start to finish. The Sagehens started the game 7-0, and Jeremy Namkung's basket and one followed by a Namkung 3-ball gave Pomona a 15-point halftime lead. In the second half, Whittier cut the Sagehens' lead to 69-65 at 6:15, but that's as close as the Poets would get. A 3-ball by David Liss, and 2 more 3-pointers by Namkung (4-for-4 3s) built the lead to 13, 80-67, and that was all she wrote. Whittier finishes the season 16-10.

Tonight at 7:30 p.m. in the Temple of Doom, Pomona (14-12) faces Claremont (20-6) for the conference tournament championship and the SCIAC AQ to the NCAA playoffs.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CMSfan on February 28, 2009, 12:57:07 PM
CMS vs. CLU Eyewitness Account
Congrats to my Stags on a tough win.  They out-hustled CLU in the first half and built up a big lead.  CMS stagnated in the second half as the refs tightened up the game.  Props to Kyle Knudsen for putting CLU on his back and nearly carrying them to the finals.  If not for Connor Faught's huge 3, which got sent the CMS fans into a frenzy, I'm not sure the Stags would have shaken off their second half malaise.

Championship Prediction
Tonight's game should be another epic CMS/P-P battle.  I'll give the edge to CMS, not just because of my bias, but also because they're at home,  because Jason Toney will be the best play maker on the floor, and because CMS has more depth than P-P, in my opinion.  But it is going to be an intense game that may well come down to free throws, which would not favor the Stags.  CMS needs to keep up the defensive intensity and not allow Pomona's shooters to get hot.  Pomona needs to keep the Stags off the offensive boards and make sure Faught doesn't go off the way he did on 2/14 and in last year's championship game.

Advice for Those Planning to Attend
Arrive no later than 7:00pm...it's going to be packed.  Hydrate well...they rented some machines to keep air moving around (much needed!), but it's still going to be hot and humid in there.  Bring earplugs if you don't want you or your loved ones to be subjected to CMS and P-P students yelling obscenities at each other.  Or just enjoy the exuberance of our nation's future leaders as they try to walk the fine line between enthusiasm and inappropriateness.  Finally, if you're driving home afterward, I would advise against going west on 6th St.   
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pineconefan on February 28, 2009, 01:44:58 PM
OB - thanks for the link to last night's CMS audio.  Enjoyed listening to the game.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 28, 2009, 02:18:25 PM
Quote from: pineconefan on February 28, 2009, 01:44:58 PM
OB - thanks for the link to last night's CMS audio.  Enjoyed listening to the game.

According to the CMS web site, they're going to broadcast tonight's game between the Stags and the Sagehens. Here's the link:

http://www.cmsathletics.org/links/2ypqh8

OxyBob

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: greyskies on February 28, 2009, 08:22:40 PM
CMS fans:
Pictures up last nights game between Stags and Kingsman

http://flickr.com/photos/greyskies/sets/72157614480652109/ (http://flickr.com/photos/greyskies/sets/72157614480652109/)


Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CMSfan on February 28, 2009, 09:21:15 PM
Nice pictures...thanks for posting!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CMSfan on March 01, 2009, 12:44:40 AM
Final Score: CMS 56, P-P 44

Great all around effort tonight by the Stags.  They were up 27-17 at the half, I think.  CMS played smothering defense all night and made big shots when they needed to.  Everyone made contributions, but Jason Toney really stands out.  He set the pace for the Stags offense and was all over David Liss defensively.  I don't know what the final numbers were, but I'm pretty sure Liss shot under 30% from the floor and didn't make a 3 all game (in several attempts).

Hopefully CMS represents SCIAC well in the tournament.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CMSfan on March 01, 2009, 02:31:38 AM
Box score from tonight's game:

http://www.cmsathletics.org/sports/winter/mbkb/2008-09/stats/PP-CMST.HTM (http://www.cmsathletics.org/sports/winter/mbkb/2008-09/stats/PP-CMST.HTM)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciacguru on March 01, 2009, 02:23:21 PM
Congrats to CMS on the SCIAC title and best of luck in the tourney.  Represent the league well!!  Guessing UPS will host the Whitworth/CMS game, and UPS getting a bye?  I cant see Chapman getting in.

Any thoughts on All-SCIAC??
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pineconefan on March 01, 2009, 02:56:53 PM
Sorry, couldn't catch last night's grudge match.  I was busy sweating out the radio broadcast of the Pirates and Loggers.

Hopefully I'll get to see C-M-S in Spokane, or perhaps Tacoma, on Thursday or Friday.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on March 01, 2009, 03:48:29 PM
Quote from: sciacguru on March 01, 2009, 02:23:21 PM
Congrats to CMS on the SCIAC title and best of luck in the tourney.  Represent the league well!!  Guessing UPS will host the Whitworth/CMS game, and UPS getting a bye?  I cant see Chapman getting in.

Any thoughts on All-SCIAC??

CMS will probably be shipped to Texas, while UPS and Whitworth play a first round knockout game SCIAC-style. If the NCAA selection committee wants to maintain any credibility, then Chapman won't make the field.

My choices for all-SCIAC:

Player of the Year: Kyle Knudsen, CLU

First Team
Andy Meier, CLU
Justin Sexton, Pomona
David Liss, Pomona
Mike Archuletta, Whittier
Chris Blees, Claremont

Second Team
Ryan Elmquist, Caltech
Aaron Van Klaveren, CLU
Sean Anderson, Oxy
Jason Toney, Pomona CMS
Patrick Coffey, Redlands

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on March 01, 2009, 04:26:09 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on March 01, 2009, 03:48:29 PM
CMS will probably be shipped to Texas, while UPS and Whitworth play a first round knockout game SCIAC-style.

Sounds good to me.  I'll be there if it is in Dallas.  Also, the Dallas mayor is a CMS grad.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CMSfan on March 01, 2009, 09:24:58 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on March 01, 2009, 03:48:29 PM
Jason Toney, Pomona

You're killing me, OB!  ;)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldchap on March 01, 2009, 11:49:07 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on March 01, 2009, 03:48:29 PM
If the NCAA selection committee wants to maintain any credibility, then Chapman won't make the field.

The NCAA selection committee's credibility is already on shaky ground for picking Monravia over Chapman last year.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 02, 2009, 12:10:18 AM
So picking a team with the third-worst schedule in D-III is some sort of make-up call? They didn't take Green Mountain last year.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciacguru on March 02, 2009, 12:12:31 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on March 01, 2009, 03:48:29 PM
Quote from: sciacguru on March 01, 2009, 02:23:21 PM
Congrats to CMS on the SCIAC title and best of luck in the tourney.  Represent the league well!!  Guessing UPS will host the Whitworth/CMS game, and UPS getting a bye?  I cant see Chapman getting in.

Any thoughts on All-SCIAC??

CMS will probably be shipped to Texas, while UPS and Whitworth play a first round knockout game SCIAC-style. If the NCAA selection committee wants to maintain any credibility, then Chapman won't make the field.

My choices for all-SCIAC:

Player of the Year: Kyle Knudsen, CLU

First Team
Andy Meier, CLU
Justin Sexton, Pomona
David Liss, Pomona
Mike Archuletta, Whittier
Chris Blees, Claremont

Second Team
Ryan Elmquist, Caltech
Aaron Van Klaveren, CLU
Sean Anderson, Oxy
Jason Toney, Pomona
Patrick Coffey, Redlands

OxyBob

I would agree with most, but I dont think Meier played enough to warrant a spot on either team, let alone 1st team.  I do agree Knudsen should be POY, but usually the top team picks one of their players.  And they picked 6/team last year.
Here are my guesses:

Player of the Year: Knudsen, CLU or Blees, CMS

First Team
Gibson, Whittier
Justin Sexton, Pomona
David Liss, Pomona
Mike Archuletta, Whittier
Chris Blees, Claremont or Knudsen, CLU
Jason Toney, CMS (for you CMS fan)

Second Team
Ryan Elmquist, Caltech
Aaron Van Klaveren, CLU
Sean Anderson, Oxy
Keegan Hoover, Whittier
Patrick Coffey, Redlands
Gabriel Porter, PP or Jack Hanley, Oxy
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CMSfan on March 02, 2009, 01:32:43 AM
Quote from: sciacguru on March 02, 2009, 12:12:31 AM
Jason Toney, CMS (for you CMS fan)

Much appreciated!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldchap on March 02, 2009, 01:50:04 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 02, 2009, 12:10:18 AM
So picking a team with the third-worst schedule in D-III is some sort of make-up call? They didn't take Green Mountain last year.

You are jumping to conclusion. Read my post again. I never said that. I just interjected to OB's post implying that the NCAA committee has to uphold to some sort of credibility, when in fact, their decisions are sometimes (and I highlight sometimes) subjective and arguably unsubstanciated. If they were to make their selection process public, then maybe I would rescind my comment. But I'm sure they'll never do that.

The selection process is objective for roughly 75 to 80% of the teams (not bad, by the way, for something as complicated as that). However, the bottom of Pool B and Pool C picks are pure "judgment calls". I'm sure they're doing the best they can (at least I hope there isn't any obvious bias), but this shows that the process isn't entirely objective, hence my comment about "credibility".

And in regards to "third-worst schedule in D-III", a lot of the conversations in the "Pool B" forum revolve around only one number, and that is the OWP. It seems that everyone tends to forget that there are plenty of other criteria, according to the handbook and these criteria aren't listed in order of priority. Did you notice for instance that Chapman's OOWP is higher than Maryville's?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on March 02, 2009, 09:56:19 AM
Quote from: CMSfan on March 01, 2009, 09:24:58 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on March 01, 2009, 03:48:29 PM
Jason Toney, Pomona
You're killing me, OB! 

Ooops! Fixed. I was going back and forth between Toney and the Sagehens' Adam Chiamowitz.

Quote from: sciacguru on March 02, 2009, 12:12:31 AM
I would agree with most, but I dont think Meier played enough to warrant a spot on either team, let alone 1st team. 

I don't agree. Meier played in 20 games, led the conference in scoring average (16.3), was second in rebounds (8.0), Top 10 in FG% (.504) and FT% (.762), and was fifth in minutes played despite being injured. He's the best player in the league, and it's a tribute to his team that they played so well without him.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CMSfan on March 02, 2009, 12:02:58 PM
So, my Stags go to Spokane to play Whitworth in the first round on Thursday.  Winner takes on University of Puget Sound on Saturday.

I am fairly ignorant about the teams outside of SCIAC, but based on the last top 25 poll, it sure looks like CMS is in a very tough bracket and will have a tough time making much of a run.  It looks like the top 7 ranked teams are all in that bracket with CMS.  For those of you more knowledgeable than I, what is the outlook for CMS?  CMS beat Whitworth earlier this year, but that was at Redlands.  How much of a home-court advantage does Whitworth have?  And have there been any significant developments with their team since the first matchup?  I see they upset UPS in the conference final.  So, does that mean UPS in vulnerable.  If CMS can beat Whitworth, how would they match up with UPS?

Go, Stags!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on March 02, 2009, 12:09:12 PM
Quote from: CMSfan on March 02, 2009, 11:50:22 AM
Whitworth will be a tough matchup, obviously, so you can't look past them.  How does CMS match up with them? 

One thing you will certainly enjoy is Bob Castle, the voice of the Whitworthpirates. (He doesn't call them Whitworth or Pirates. They are Whitworthpirates.) One of the best around.

Whitworth has four great players, David Riley, Ross Nakamura, Nate Montgomery, and Calvin Jurich. Claremont beat them 73-68 (http://www.whitworth.edu/Athletics/Teams/Basketball_Men/Statistics/08-09/HTML/m6-cms.htm) on Dec. 5 in the Lee Fulmer Tournament at Redlands. In that game, blew an 11-point second half lead, but Chris Blees led the Stags to victory. Whitworth plays in a big fieldhouse, and the shooting perspective can be disorienting to an uninitiated visitor. A very tough road assignment for CMS.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bbaddict on March 02, 2009, 12:23:24 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on March 02, 2009, 12:09:12 PM
Quote from: CMSfan on March 02, 2009, 11:50:22 AM
Whitworth will be a tough matchup, obviously, so you can't look past them.  How does CMS match up with them? 

One thing you will certainly enjoy is Bob Castle, the voice of the Whitworthpirates. (He doesn't call them Whitworth or Pirates. They are Whitworthpirates.) One of the best around.

Whitworth has four great players, David Riley, Ross Nakamura, Nate Montgomery, and Calvin Jurich. Claremont beat them 73-68 (http://www.whitworth.edu/Athletics/Teams/Basketball_Men/Statistics/08-09/HTML/m6-cms.htm) on Dec. 5 in the Lee Fulmer Tournament at Redlands. In that game, blew an 11-point second half lead, but Chris Blees led the Stags to victory. Whitworth plays in a big fieldhouse, and the shooting perspective can be disorienting to an uninitiated visitor. A very tough road assignment for CMS.

OxyBob

Whitworth also has a pretty cool streaming video feature if they use it for this game.  You can actually see stuff & the camera person doesn't flip all over the place like at other places I won't mention.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CMSfan on March 02, 2009, 12:34:37 PM
Great information.  Thanks to you both!  I'll look forward to some sort of live broadcast of the game.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciacguru on March 02, 2009, 12:48:12 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on March 02, 2009, 09:56:19 AM
Quote from: CMSfan on March 01, 2009, 09:24:58 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on March 01, 2009, 03:48:29 PM
Jason Toney, Pomona
You're killing me, OB! 

Ooops! Fixed. I was going back and forth between Toney and the Sagehens' Adam Chiamowitz.

Quote from: sciacguru on March 02, 2009, 12:12:31 AM
I would agree with most, but I dont think Meier played enough to warrant a spot on either team, let alone 1st team. 

I don't agree. Meier played in 20 games, led the conference in scoring average (16.3), was second in rebounds (8.0), Top 10 in FG% (.504) and FT% (.762), and was fifth in minutes played despite being injured. He's the best player in the league, and it's a tribute to his team that they played so well without him.

OxyBob

Yes, he played in 20 games, but only 9 conference games.  I would think that they select on what they did in conference (14 games) not what they did over the entire season.  Most of the stats from the SCIAC site mention a player must have participated in 75% of the SCIAC games to be considered...Meier only 64%.  Don't get me wrong, Meier is a 1st team caliber player, but I don't think he played in enough SCIAC games to get mentioned, let alone 1st Team.  His stats in SCIAC were 13.6 pts (t-8th), 4.8 rebs (t-11th).
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciacguru on March 02, 2009, 12:51:08 PM
Meier - 2nd Team

Here is your All-SCIAC team:

http://thesciac.org/sports/mbkb/2008-09/news/mbb_allsciac_0809
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CMSfan on March 02, 2009, 12:58:52 PM
Lots of good players returning in SCIAC next year.  Only 2 seniors made All-SCIAC.  Both from Whittier.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: larry_u on March 02, 2009, 04:31:41 PM
Someone add CMS's profile here:

http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=6299.0
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pineconefan on March 02, 2009, 07:39:51 PM
Looking forward to having C-M-S visit Whitworth this week.

Spokane is ready to give the Stags a traditional early-March Inland Northwest welcome!  ;D

Mar 5  Thursday
Rain and snow showers. Highs in the mid 30s and lows in the upper 20s.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on March 02, 2009, 07:50:03 PM
Quote from: pineconefan on March 02, 2009, 07:39:51 PM
Mar 5  Thursday
Rain and snow showers. Highs in the mid 30s and lows in the upper 20s.

Is the game being played outside?

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pineconefan on March 02, 2009, 08:20:17 PM
Nah, but we'll open up a few windows!  :D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bbaddict on March 02, 2009, 09:00:48 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on March 02, 2009, 07:50:03 PM
Quote from: pineconefan on March 02, 2009, 07:39:51 PM
Mar 5  Thursday
Rain and snow showers. Highs in the mid 30s and lows in the upper 20s.

Is the game being played outside?

OxyBob

He's probably thinking that those southern Californians will be shaking from the cold & unable to shoot! ;D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: nwhoops1903 on March 02, 2009, 11:16:13 PM
Quote from: bbaddict on March 02, 2009, 09:00:48 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on March 02, 2009, 07:50:03 PM
Quote from: pineconefan on March 02, 2009, 07:39:51 PM
Mar 5  Thursday
Rain and snow showers. Highs in the mid 30s and lows in the upper 20s.

Is the game being played outside?

OxyBob

He's probably thinking that those southern Californians will be shaking from the cold & unable to shoot! ;D
Nah, WW knows better after that OXY kid shot the lights out first half last year.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bbaddict on March 03, 2009, 12:17:35 AM
So, he graduated, I hope?  (The Oxy kid.)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LogShow on March 03, 2009, 12:19:58 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on March 02, 2009, 07:50:03 PM
Quote from: pineconefan on March 02, 2009, 07:39:51 PM
Mar 5  Thursday
Rain and snow showers. Highs in the mid 30s and lows in the upper 20s.

Is the game being played outside?

OxyBob

lol, thats great!  Just be careful getting off the bus and walking to the gym...those sidewalks are slick
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bbaddict on March 03, 2009, 12:22:35 AM
That's because pineconefan & his buddies are out there hosing em down before the games! ;D  The cold wind does the rest of the work.  A little home court advantage, huh, pinecone?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pineconefan on March 03, 2009, 01:04:15 AM
Whatever it takes... ;)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cmsme on March 03, 2009, 01:42:17 PM
Will Whitworth have video or audio of the game?  If so, does anyone know the link?

If i go to Spokane (despite the snow) how would i get a ticket?  Is a certain quantity reserved for CMS people, or can i buy from Claremont?

Are the teams seeded?  If so, where is that information?  Do they just seed the teams that are geographically close to each other?  And why is Whitworth seeded above Claremont if CMS beat them in the tournament?

Freshman mother  (please excuse my ignorance)

ps  This is pretty exciting.  I hope they win.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bbaddict on March 03, 2009, 02:01:49 PM
Quote from: cmsme on March 03, 2009, 01:42:17 PM
Will Whitworth have video or audio of the game?  If so, does anyone know the link?

If i go to Spokane (despite the snow) how would i get a ticket?  Is a certain quantity reserved for CMS people, or can i buy from Claremont?

Are the teams seeded?  If so, where is that information?  Do they just seed the teams that are geographically close to each other?  And why is Whitworth seeded above Claremont if CMS beat them in the tournament?

Freshman mother  (please excuse my ignorance)

ps  This is pretty exciting.  I hope they win.

Here's where you can find some of your answers.   There is streaming video (usually) & audio of the games also available through a link on the Whitworth Athletics site.   Bob Castle is one of the best, maybe the best, announcer I've ever heard at this level of sports.  Congrats to your son!  Have fun in Spokane.

http://www.whitworth.edu/Athletics/Teams/Basketball_Men/Releases/08_09/NCAA.htm
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cmsme on March 03, 2009, 03:23:20 PM
This is what i have found out:

If you come to the game, tickets will be $6 and are available at the door.  All seats are General Admission, but there will be 200 seats reserved for only C-M-S fans.  There will be no problem getting a spot.

If you can't make it, there will be links to live video, audio and live stats on the Whitworth men's basketball web page.  The live video is limited to about 60 viewers at a time, so you'll have to get in early.

There is livestats and audio and video feeds although the video feed is limited to 60 users.

Here is the link to all three:

http://www.whitworth.edu/Athletics/Teams/Basketball_Men/Releases/08_09/LiveIndex.htm




Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: P4L on March 03, 2009, 04:10:19 PM
CMS fans and watchers:

Having seen WW at the beginning and end of the year I can safely say this is a very different team.  Much more physical, a bit tougher, and the emergence of Gebbers as not only a defensive stopper, but a scoring threat have been the keys to change. 

Has CMS made any improvements or DE-provements?  Looks like everything was fairly consistent throughout the year.  Jason Toney looks to be playing well as of late.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: P4L on March 03, 2009, 04:15:32 PM
I can also tell you that there will be a crazy air-plane hangar like gym and about 750 more fans than your SCIAC championship game.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on March 03, 2009, 05:11:10 PM
Item about the Claremont-Whitworth game from the "Campus Life 5.0" column in the Inland Valley Daily Bulletin (http://www.dailybulletin.com/ci_11823614):

QuoteThe Claremont-Mudd-Scripps men's basketball team is being sent to the Northwest for its first-round Division III playoff game. The Stags (21-6) will be heading to Spokane, Wash., to square off against Whitworth (Wash.) on Thursday.

The winner of that game will play Puget Sound (24-3), which is ranked third nationally and has a first-round bye. That's one of the scenarios Stags coach Ken Scalmanini saw happening when his team qualified for the draw Saturday night by beating Pomona-Pitzer in the SCIAC tournament championship.

Whitworth finished second in the Northwest Conference to Puget Sound, but the Pirates upset Puget in the conference tournament final behind the 24-point performance of senior guard Ross Nakamura.

The Stags have won seven of their last eight games. They are led by sophomore forward Chris Blees (12.5 points per game, 7 rebounds per game), who was named SCIAC MVP earlier this week. Junior guard Jason Toney (10.8 ppg, 2.8 assists per game) was also named to the first team.

Rounding out the starting lineup are senior guard Austin Soldner (8.9 ppg, 4.3 rpg), senior center Tejas Gala (4.1 ppg) and junior forward Michael Bagby (7.4 ppg).

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hoopsallthetime on March 03, 2009, 09:02:50 PM
Quote from: P4L on March 03, 2009, 04:10:19 PM
CMS fans and watchers:

Having seen WW at the beginning and end of the year I can safely say this is a very different team.  Much more physical, a bit tougher, and the emergence of Gebbers as not only a defensive stopper, but a scoring threat have been the keys to change. 

Has CMS made any improvements or DE-provements?  Looks like everything was fairly consistent throughout the year.  Jason Toney looks to be playing well as of late.

Well I'm sure glad that WW is much more physical, a bit tougher, and that the emergence of Gebbers has become a defensive stopper because if they didn't improve since the last time we beat you...it may get ugly.  I have checked in on WW and they look like they have improved as the season has gone on..and congrats on the win against Puget Sound. That was a good win for you guys!

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hoopsallthetime on March 03, 2009, 09:11:10 PM
Quote from: cmsstag on March 03, 2009, 09:02:50 PM
Quote from: P4L on March 03, 2009, 04:10:19 PM
CMS fans and watchers:

Having seen WW at the beginning and end of the year I can safely say this is a very different team.  Much more physical, a bit tougher, and the emergence of Gebbers as not only a defensive stopper, but a scoring threat have been the keys to change. 

Has CMS made any improvements or DE-provements?  Looks like everything was fairly consistent throughout the year.  Jason Toney looks to be playing well as of late.

Well I'm sure glad that WW is much more physical, a bit tougher, and that the emergence of Gebbers has become a defensive stopper because if they didn't improve since the last time we beat you...it may get ugly.  I have checked in on WW and they look like they have improved as the season has gone on..and congrats on the win against Puget Sound. That was a good win for you guys!

The Stags have won 11 out of the last 12 games and are on a roll. They are led by SCIAC player of the year Chris Blees (12.5 pts, 7 rebs a game) and 1st team All-Sciac Jason Toney (10.8 pts, 2.8 asst per game). Austin Soldner (8.9 pts, 4.3 rpg), Mike Bagby (7.4 ppg) and Patrick Lacey (8.6 ppg, 4.3 rgp) round out the starting line-up. The stags bring 5 off the bench, with sharp shooter Conner Faught bringing 8pts off the bench.  The Stags have made improvements on the offensive end the last couple of games, but the defense intensity is what pulls them apart. The Stags will get after you for 40 minutes, and will play rough throughout the game to set a tone. So I am glad that WW has gotten tougher because the first time they played WW got hit in the face. I know my STAGS will be ready to play Thursday Night, and regardless of the outcome will leave it all out on the floor for there school and for Coach Scalmanini!

Good Luck Stags

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CMSfan on March 03, 2009, 09:30:40 PM
Quote from: P4L on March 03, 2009, 04:10:19 PM
Has CMS made any improvements or DE-provements?

I didn't see the Whitworth game earlier this year, but I have seen quite a few CMS games throughout the season.  One change since when they played Whitworth is that they're more cohesive now.  (Of course, I would imagine that's the case for most team's as the season progresses).  With three transfers getting big minutes, it looked like the team was a little out of sync early in the season.  Those three transfers - Toney, Bagby, and Lacey - are now all in the starting lineup and are integral parts of the team.  Toney now seems to be the unquestioned leader of the offense, even though he's not a huge scorer.  And on defense they are communicating well and staying aggressive.  The increased contributions from the transfers has, in turn, strengthened the Stags bench.  Faught and Gala were starters at the beginning of the year and are now big contributors off the bench.  I think the depth CMS has is what set them apart in SCIAC, in part because it allows them to play such tough defense for 40 minutes.

The most concerning trend for the Stags has been their tendency to lose leads in the second half.  They usually rally late to preserve the victory, but they're not always sharp for 40 minutes.  For them to be successful in the tournament, they can't have prolonged lapses.  The championship game against P-P was encouraging in that they were up 10 at the half and P-P never got closer than 6 the rest of the way.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: P4L on March 03, 2009, 09:34:38 PM
Very confident cmsstagg.  I like your enthusiasm.  I don't know if I would say "WW got hit in the face" It was close the entire game with WW leading with 4 mins. to go last time.  WW is a better rebounding team now and the only category that CMS had over WW last time around was +6 in the rebound column.  

The NWC also has a different level of atmosphere and fan support.  You should know, your SCIAC teams have continuously failed at tourney time up here.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: P4L on March 03, 2009, 09:38:44 PM
Quote from: CMSfan on March 03, 2009, 09:30:40 PM
Quote from: P4L on March 03, 2009, 04:10:19 PM
Has CMS made any improvements or DE-provements?

I didn't see the Whitworth game earlier this year, but I have seen quite a few CMS games throughout the season.  One change since when they played Whitworth is that they're more cohesive now.  (Of course, I would imagine that's the case for most team's as the season progresses).  With three transfers getting big minutes, it looked like the team was a little out of sync early in the season.  Those three transfers - Toney, Bagby, and Lacey - are now all in the starting lineup and are integral parts of the team.  Toney now seems to be the unquestioned leader of the offense, even though he's not a huge scorer.  And on defense they are communicating well and staying aggressive.  The increased contributions from the transfers has, in turn, strengthened the Stags bench.  Faught and Gala were starters at the beginning of the year and are now big contributors off the bench.  I think the depth CMS has is what set them apart in SCIAC, in part because it allows them to play such tough defense for 40 minutes.

The most concerning trend for the Stags has been their tendency to lose leads in the second half.  They usually rally late to preserve the victory, but they're not always sharp for 40 minutes.  For them to be successful in the tournament, they can't have prolonged lapses.  The championship game against P-P was encouraging in that they were up 10 at the half and P-P never got closer than 6 the rest of the way.

Thanks for the insight CMSfan.  The cohesiveness factor is a great point.  Especially on a team of newly added players, and you want to make sure you are playing your best basketball about now.  Both teams look to have improved and I am looking forward to a battle.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CMSfan on March 04, 2009, 12:02:22 AM
Quote from: P4L on March 03, 2009, 09:34:38 PM
Very confident cmsstagg.  I like your enthusiasm.  I don't know if I would say "WW got hit in the face"

:)

We CMCers certainly never lack for confidence!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on March 04, 2009, 08:59:11 AM
Quote from: cmsstag on March 03, 2009, 09:11:10 PM
The Stags have won 11 out of the last 12 games and are on a roll. They are led by SCIAC player of the year Chris Blees (12.5 pts, 7 rebs a game) and 1st team All-Sciac Jason Toney (10.8 pts, 2.8 asst per game). Austin Soldner (8.9 pts, 4.3 rpg), Mike Bagby (7.4 ppg) and Patrick Lacey (8.6 ppg, 4.3 rgp) round out the starting line-up. The stags bring 5 off the bench, with sharp shooter Conner Faught bringing 8pts off the bench.  The Stags have made improvements on the offensive end the last couple of games, but the defense intensity is what pulls them apart. The Stags will get after you for 40 minutes, and will play rough throughout the game to set a tone. So I am glad that WW has gotten tougher because the first time they played WW got hit in the face. I know my STAGS will be ready to play Thursday Night, and regardless of the outcome will leave it all out on the floor for there school and for Coach Scalmanini!

cmsstag, the NWC fans wanted a team description of CMS, so I posted this the other day:

Quote from: OxyBob on March 03, 2009, 12:03:24 PM
The name of the game with Claremont is defense. The Stags play a tough man-to-man. Their defenders drop off their man into help-side defense. The wing defenders hedge in the seams; CMS loves to attack from the side and get a lot of poke steals. They defend everything, and don't give you any easy open 3s. The Stags are good at cutting off passing lanes, and they usually don't get burned backdoor.  Away from the ball Claremont's man-to-man looks like a zone, with a defender pressuring the ball at all times. The Claremont guards are quick and sure-handed, they work around screens well, and they usually aren't susceptible to guard dribble penetration. Claremont will double team the low post, and they will also occasionally red the point guard. For the season, on average CMS only gave up 61 points per game.

On offense Claremont is deliberate. They don't run and like to set up and take their time looking for a good shot. For the season, on average the Stags scored 69 points per game. Their point guard Jason Toney likes to penetrate, and if someone comes over to help then Toney will drop it off to the open man. The Stags' outside threats are Connor Faught and Michael Bagby. Faught is particularly clutch, and if they need a big 3 look for him to take it. Bagby likes to catch and shoot from the wing, so if the ball goes into the block you have to be ready for the kickout and get over to cover him. You also have to keep an eye on Austin Soldner, who will pop from the outside. Claremont's best all-around player is Chris Blees. He averaged 13 pts and 7 boards a game. Blees is a smart, hard-nosed player who makes few mistakes, and much of the Stags' offense runs through him. CMS also has Patrick Lacey, a transfer from the University of San Diego, who's a physical wide body and pretty good with the ball around the basket. You also have to look out for Tejas Gala, the 6'6" string bean who's the Energizer Bunny out there.

Claremont is not a good FT shooting team. They were last in the SCIAC at 65%.

Because of their deliberate style, games with Claremont are usually low scoring and close. If CMS can keep the game in the 60s then they are tough to beat.

Good luck to Claremont. Whitworth is a tough place for road teams. CMS canned 7 3-pointers when the teams played in December (Bagby 3-for-4, Faught 3-for-5) and they'll have to make that many and maybe a few more to win.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cmsme on March 04, 2009, 09:10:15 AM
is there a write up on whitworth similar to the one you wrote on claremont?

thank you for the insight.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on March 04, 2009, 09:36:04 AM
Quote from: cmsme on March 04, 2009, 09:10:15 AM
is there a write up on whitworth similar to the one you wrote on claremont?

From the CMS web site:

QuoteWhitworth is 22-5 and finished second in the Northwest Conference regular season with a 12-4 record. The Pirates defeated Linfield 74-66 in the NWC semifinal before upsetting third-ranked Puget Sound 90-80 in the tournament championship in Tacoma.  They are a tall team with four players averaging in double figures; small forward Nate Riley (16.2 ppg) and center Nate Montgomery (14.1 ppg) lead the team. Forward Calvin Jurich leads the team with eight rebounds per game and point guard Ross Nakamura hands out over five assists per game, with a 3.04 assist-to-turnover ratio.

You might also be interested in this video, which features Whitworth head coach Jim Hayford and has some nice shots of game action inside the Pirates' fieldhouse:

http://www.whitworth.edu/athletics/Teams/videos/MensBasketball.htm

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: P4L on March 04, 2009, 12:12:13 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on March 04, 2009, 09:36:04 AM
Quote from: cmsme on March 04, 2009, 09:10:15 AM
is there a write up on whitworth similar to the one you wrote on claremont?


You might also be interested in this video, which features Whitworth head coach Jim Hayford and has some nice shots of game action inside the Pirates' fieldhouse:

http://www.whitworth.edu/athletics/Teams/videos/MensBasketball.htm

OxyBob

That's a great video and I think shows the softer side of Coach Hayford.  You will not see that on the court.  Hates to lose more than anyone I know.

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: greyskies on March 04, 2009, 01:25:34 PM
pictures of Stags at the SCAIC tournament.
pictures were mainly taken from the bleachers and are so-so but I think they are interesting.  I've never seen a team cut down a net before so that's was cool

http://flickr.com/photos/greyskies/sets/72157614722709518/ (http://flickr.com/photos/greyskies/sets/72157614722709518/)

pictures are best seen in slide show mode
anyone is welcomed to download

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cmsme on March 04, 2009, 04:17:31 PM
Thank you.  As a parent i appreciate every picture of my son and the team. 

The Claremont basketball website still has last years pictures, and none of this year.  When my son was in High School, there were a ton of pictures from Maxpreps, students photographers, and parents.  So I miss it.


Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bbaddict on March 04, 2009, 07:01:25 PM
Quote from: cmsme on March 04, 2009, 04:17:31 PM
Thank you.  As a parent i appreciate every picture of my son and the team. 

The Claremont basketball website still has last years pictures, and none of this year.  When my son was in High School, there were a ton of pictures from Maxpreps, students photographers, and parents.  So I miss it.


Your photographer probably went out of business, because nice guys like greyskies were giving them out for free.  The problem with him doing that is that no serious photographer has an incentive to go and shoot your teams and be there whether it's an interesting game or not.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: P4L on March 05, 2009, 04:41:57 PM
Prediction time:

WW 81

CMS 67
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bbaddict on March 05, 2009, 06:21:33 PM
Sounds about right to me.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldchap on March 05, 2009, 11:50:16 PM
Quote from: P4L on March 05, 2009, 04:41:57 PM
Prediction time:

WW 81

CMS 67

Impressive P4L... Final score WW 81 - CMS 63
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CMSfan on March 05, 2009, 11:55:56 PM
Congrats to Whitworth.  CMS once again stumbled out of the blocks in the second half, but Whitworth was too good to let them back into it.  Whitworth is definitely a better team than anyone the Stags faced in SCIAC and I hope they take it to UPS in the next round!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: P4L on March 06, 2009, 12:11:30 AM
Quote from: oldchap on March 05, 2009, 11:50:16 PM
Quote from: P4L on March 05, 2009, 04:41:57 PM
Prediction time:

WW 81

CMS 67

Impressive P4L... Final score WW 81 - CMS 63

CMS was a much better shooting team than I thought.  WW used that second half run to get up by 12-15 and before you know it there was only 4 mins to go.

As for the prediction I am going to keep the train rolling and say:

Sat night- WW 87  UPS 86!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pineconefan on March 06, 2009, 01:17:09 AM
Good effort by CMS tonight.   Their defense frustrated Whitworth at times in the first half, and their motion offense was as good as advertised in the first half.

But CMS didn't have the same kind of playmaker that Oxy did last year (Whitman).  When the Pirates were able to take away the two CMS stars, a couple other guys (#30 and #14) rose to the occasion in the first half, but they could not sustain it.

The guard Toney only four points (2 of 10 shooting) before fouling out completely frustrated.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CMSfan on March 06, 2009, 02:20:36 AM
To be honest, I think CMS was lucky to keep it as close as they did in the first half.  Soldner (#30) really isn't a great shooter or scorer for them, so his offensive outburst was unexpected.  I was disappointed in the Stags defense overall, but I'll chalk that up to Whitworth's strength and balance on offense.  Whitworth got the Stags to play a faster paced, higher scoring game than they usually play, so that did not bode well.

I'd have loved for the Stags to have been able to host because I think Ducey Gym is conducive to a more physical game...but I have to say the better team won tonight.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on March 06, 2009, 11:29:20 AM
Quote from: CMSfan on March 06, 2009, 02:20:36 AM
Whitworth got the Stags to play a faster paced, higher scoring game than they usually play, so that did not bode well.

For the season, on average Claremont allowed 60.9 points per game. For the season, on average Whitworth scored 80.6 points per game. Last night Claremont didn't stop Whitworth from doing exactly what they've done all year.

Question: Since Ken Scalmanini became Claremont head coach in 1999, how many times has Claremont won a game in which they allowed 80 or more points?

Answer: 9 times.

11/16/01 CMS 98, UPS 85
12/15/01 CMS 90, Concordia-Irvine 85
02/04/04 CMS 106, Redlands 87
02/07/04 CMS 93, La Verne 80
02/26/04 CMS 123, Redlands 121
01/26/05 CMS 126, Redlands 117
02/19/05 CMS 137, Redlands 96
12/03/05 CMS 110, Redlands 89
01/11/06 CMS 124, Redlands 97

Eliminate the Traveling Freak Show from the equation and the Stags haven't won a game in which they gave up 80 or more in more than 5 years.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LogShow on March 06, 2009, 11:31:33 AM
Just wanted to say congrats to CMS on a great season.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: nwhoops1903 on March 07, 2009, 01:28:07 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on March 06, 2009, 11:29:20 AM
Quote from: CMSfan on March 06, 2009, 02:20:36 AM
Whitworth got the Stags to play a faster paced, higher scoring game than they usually play, so that did not bode well.

For the season, on average Claremont allowed 60.9 points per game. For the season, on average Whitworth scored 80.6 points per game. Last night Claremont didn't stop Whitworth from doing exactly what they've done all year.

Question: Since Ken Scalmanini became Claremont head coach in 1999, how many times has Claremont won a game in which they allowed 80 or more points?

Answer: 9 times.

11/16/01 CMS 98, UPS 85
12/15/01 CMS 90, Concordia-Irvine 85
02/04/04 CMS 106, Redlands 87
02/07/04 CMS 93, La Verne 80
02/26/04 CMS 123, Redlands 121
01/26/05 CMS 126, Redlands 117
02/19/05 CMS 137, Redlands 96
12/03/05 CMS 110, Redlands 89
01/11/06 CMS 124, Redlands 97

Eliminate the Traveling Freak Show from the equation and the Stags haven't won a game in which they gave up 80 or more in more than 5 years.

OxyBob
I think that was WW game plan..score 81.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on March 10, 2009, 06:28:47 PM
http://www.theonion.com/content/video/ncaa_expands_march_madness_to?utm_source=nav
;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on March 17, 2009, 12:22:16 PM
Caltech made an appearance on the CBS show Numb3rs. From Oliver Eslinger's blog Doc's Head Games (http://www.docsheadgames.com/2009/03/cutting-and-shooting-for-tv.html):

QuoteCutting and Shooting... for TV

So, the other day, a friend of mine points out a story from the New York Times (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/08/theater/08Ishe.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1&sq=gossip%20girl%20cameo&st=cse&scp=1)  -- a synopsis of what it feels like to make a cameo on a television show. Coincidentally, I now know exactly of what the author speaks. Numb3rs, the CBS Friday night hit now in its fifth season, is often filmed on Caltech's campus -- the premise, not surprisingly, that the profs at the fictional Caltech known as Cal Sci, lay the mathematical groundwork to help solve crimes. As such, the producers contacted us to see if we were interested in having members of the current Caltech team take part in a couple of episodes... and, yes, we followed through. I had the good fortune of collaborating with the producers, directors, and writers as filming happened... and also was asked to play the minor role of Pete, one of the Cal Sci players. Everyone involved presumed this to be a good situation, as I would be able to direct my actual players on the court as the cameras rolled. I took on the role of athlete/actor-coach/director liaison.

What was most intriguing was not the opportunity to be in the show, but to understand what happens on the set. It was much like running a basketball practice. There needs to be structure, a solid plan before starting the day. Communication and organization are imperative as time is of the essence. And directors are able to stop and start and manipulate and move ideas and people around, as if playing a high paced, spontaneous game. If it is necessary to do another take (and many of them at various angles), then the schedule is pushed back. Get it right, then move on. If the marks are missed, if an actor doesn't perform, if emotions get out of control... well, figure it out. Of course, there is no actual game that will occur -- TV can do what it needs to make the resulting production appear perfect. But the process is like a hoops practice. I understand why Numb3rs is in season five. There is a great crew, a professional cast -- like a veteran team who understands the system. Everyone, as Judd Hirsch discussed, knows how to get the best out of the program because there is a solid foundation with effective team chemistry.

The experience paralleled many of the situations written in the NYT, from the personal trailer, to makeup and wardrobe, to standing in a certain place, to the desire to deliver input that requires realistic basketball sequences. It was exciting and educational and the players certainly enjoyed their time being on set with Hollywood actors and the two Lakers. The actual show airs on Friday, March 13 at 10 pm (folks can catch the last episode on cbs.com that featured a scene with us at the end).

The perfect basketball game, after countless practice time, should be glorious. We'll see what a made-for-television game looks like after hours of cutting and splicing in the editing room...

You can see Coach Eslinger and the Caltech players in this video clip (http://www.cbs.com/primetime/numb3rs/video/video.php?cid=544192195&pid=bG3V1Jx3DaBrMKsvvzZtX7mB7lKfV9fU&play=true), along with Pau Gasol and Jordan Farmar of the LA Lakers.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on March 17, 2009, 03:25:57 PM
Coach Dow would have loved to have had these guys. ;D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on March 19, 2009, 03:44:46 PM
The D3hoops.com All-West Region Team was announced. SCIAC honorees were Claremont's Chris Blees, who was chosen Second Team all-region, and CLU's Aaron Van Klaveren, who was chosen Rookie of the Year.

The complete team selections are here:

http://www.d3hoops.com/all-region/09/westmen.htm

OxyBob

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on March 21, 2009, 11:23:36 AM
A trip down memory lane in this article from the Riverside Press-Enterprise:

QuoteVillanova's faced bigger upsets (http://www.pe.com/sports/breakout/stories/PE_Sports_Local_S_web_patton_21.3611e72.html)

Villanova expects to have the full force of a large, home town Wachovia Center crowd on its side today when it plays UCLA in the second round of the NCAA tournament.

No doubt it will be a lot different than the last time the Wildcats played a California school.

"One of the most memorable basketball experiences of my life," said Villanova coach Jay Wright, whose eyes brightened Friday when reminded about Nov. 22, 2003, when the big-time Big East school took on tiny University of Redlands in teensy Currier Gym.

"The place was packed. They were really enthusiastic, but not nasty like crowds can get. It was just a great atmosphere."

The head count was an overflow 1,128, including the students who sat under the basket along the baseline, and in the stands with their knees up against the backs of Villanova's players.

"Our bench was the bottom row of the bleachers," Wright said.

Ah, the charm.

The game itself was a bizarre matchup to begin with. 'Nova, a Division 1 stalwart with a 1985 NCAA championship, against the Bulldogs, a middling Division 3 program.

But Villanova was in an odd spot. A handful of players were serving NCAA-mandated suspensions for misusing a campus phone. Wright's team was on its way to the Maui Classic in Hawaii and wanted to squeeze in a game to get through the suspensions.

Wright remembered having only five scholarship players and a few walk-ons available. Longtime Redlands coach Gary Smith was a willing foil, but he had an odd advantage on his side that tested Villanova more than it anticipated.

Redlands was playing the fastest up-tempo game in the country, routinely breaking 100 points, pressing full court and trading three-point shot after three-point shot against their opponents' usual twos.

...

No one on Villanova's current roster was on the team, but the school's sports information director, Mike Sheridan, remembers it well. Smith played 16 Bulldogs that day, with 11 getting between 16 and 20 minutes.

"Their coach changed shifts like it was a hockey game," Sheridan said. "I remember subs coming in and out on the fly, and how hard they played."

Not to mention how effectively. The Bulldogs led by a point at halftime and got it up to 69-62 early in the second half.

...

But the visitors eventually got their bearings, and control of the game. It helped that they had a pair of future NBA players on the team: sophomores Allan Ray, who scored 38 points, and Randy Foye, who poured in 25.

Redlands ultimately fell, 114-103, with Derek Flegal scoring 26. The Bulldogs made 24 of 64 three-point shots -- just another day at the office for Redlands, but noteworthy in Villanova annals.

Sheridan said once when Louisville reached 13 three-point field goals against Villanova, he checked to see what the opponent record was.

"Not even close," he said, anticipating that the U of R will have a long stay in the 'Nova record book.

As well as in Wright's memory.

"Their crowd gave their team a standing ovation," Wright said. "I remember clapping for their fans."

Then the Wildcats raced for the airport. Adding to the surreal aura, the game had begun at 10 a.m. to accommodate Villanova's flight to Hawaii.

Today's 10 a.m. game (1 p.m. Eastern) figures to be a bit more traditional, in the 21,600-seat Wachovia Center, with "most of the building rooting for them," in the words of UCLA coach Ben Howland.

If UCLA wins, the crowd isn't nasty to the Bruins, and Howland claps for the Villanova fans, we'll take it all back.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DIIIghetto on March 23, 2009, 03:55:57 PM
This is my first post in a year.  I took the year off out of fear that the conference would take a step back.  It did.  Moving forward, it is clear to me that we need one of our teams to have a hell of a season to put itself in a position to play a 1st round game at home against the superior NWC.   Short of that, we have a significant gap to make up between our best and a road game against the NWC.  Here is to hoping that all of our programs are able to improve significantly before next November.  Claremont, Oxy and Pomona have so much to offer that they should focus on competing against the NWC for in-region recruits.  I see a guy like Whitworth's Sims last year and wonder whether or not he could have done better by going to a place like Oxy - maybe if he had he would be over in Germany right now with Conner W.  Whittier and Redlands should do what they can to bring in disgruntled DII transfers and Juco's.   Same goes for La Verne.  Cal Lu should do whatever it is that they do to bring in the horses they have had in the past. 

I have heard all of the counter points: cost of the schools, admissions challenges, administrative apathy, too much competition from local NAIA and DII programs.  I think those are poor excuses that have helped too many in the SCIAC justify our terrible national competitiveness for too long. 



Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on March 23, 2009, 05:32:15 PM
Quote from: DIIIghetto on March 23, 2009, 03:55:57 PM
This is my first post in a year.  I took the year off out of fear that the conference would take a step back.  It did.  Moving forward, it is clear to me that we need one of our teams to have a hell of a season to put itself in a position to play a 1st round game at home against the superior NWC.   Short of that, we have a significant gap to make up between our best and a road game against the NWC.  Here is to hoping that all of our programs are able to improve significantly before next November.  Claremont, Oxy and Pomona have so much to offer that they should focus on competing against the NWC for in-region recruits.  I see a guy like Whitworth's Sims last year and wonder whether or not he could have done better by going to a place like Oxy - maybe if he had he would be over in Germany right now with Conner W.  Whittier and Redlands should do what they can to bring in disgruntled DII transfers and Juco's.   Same goes for La Verne.  Cal Lu should do whatever it is that they do to bring in the horses they have had in the past. 

I have heard all of the counter points: cost of the schools, admissions challenges, administrative apathy, too much competition from local NAIA and DII programs.  I think those are poor excuses that have helped too many in the SCIAC justify our terrible national competitiveness for too long. 

+k

You forgot Cal Tech. :)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on May 07, 2009, 06:40:05 PM
From the Oxy website:

Whitman Leads Herzöge to Best Finish in Franchise History

Wolfenbüttel GERMANY (May 1, 2009) - Just over six months ago Connor Whitman stepped on the court for his fist professional basketball game as a starting point guard for the Herzöge Wolfenbüttel. Since that time his team has completed its 30-game schedule and with Oxy's former star guard leading the way, the Herzöge have performed so well that they are expected to move from the Pro B to Pro A league next year.

The 2008 graduate of Occidental College is enjoying his time overseas and has been highly productive in a league where he is one of the only Division III athletes. Whitman relishes facing opponents who played at large Division I schools, which include the University of Oregon, Ohio State University and Bucknell University.

"Most of these guys make the big mistake of overlooking me because I played at a small college," replied Whitman when asked to explain what he attributes his great year to.

"It was evident from my experience this year that most of the guys I face in the German professional league who come from larger NCAA Division I universities have a more difficult time transitioning from the less significant roles they played in college than I did coming from an outstanding small college program at Occidental where my role was much more significant."

During the 2008-09 season, Whitman lead the entire league in three-point field goals made with 106. He averaged 17.4 points per game, which was second on the Herzöge and ranked 21st among all players in the 16-team league in scoring. By far his most memorable game of the season came on Dec. 6 when he dropped 43 points on 12-for-13 shooting against Landshut. Ten times has he scored more than 20 points and incredibly in only three games he failed to reach double-figure scoring.

Whitman, who played 37 minutes per game, shot 40.1% from the field overall and held a 39.4% clip from three-point range. In addition to his shooting prowess, he grabbed 3.8 rebounds per game and dished out 3.8 assists per game. He also stole the ball 1.4 times per game for the Herzöge.

"We started the season as a vastly underrated organization and the goals of our team were to stay in the league," he recollected. "Coming into the season the record for victories in a season was 13, and we have surpassed that, nearly doubling the win-total (22-8) and finished second overall in the league."

The top two teams are granted the opportunity to move from Pro A to Pro B, something that Herzöge Wolfenbüttel will investigate and hopefully be able to do for the 2009-10 season.

Throughout the season he had the opportunity to travel the country and play in numerous different venues. The largest crowd he played before was a packed venue of 7,000 people in a "rivalry game" between the Herzöge and. Braunshweig, which is only 20 minutes from the team's home court.

"The atmosphere of the Derby game was great," Whitman shared. "The game at their house was my favorite place to play because we played in the arena that the 1st division team uses. There was a sold out, rowdy crowd and on top of it all, we won."

Overall the season was a huge success, which Whitman credited to a well balanced team and a great chemistry.

"Connor has turned into an outstanding point guard." Head Coach Mahmut Atman said of the Oxy grad. "Coach Newhall described Connor as a shooting guard who could play point guard, but at our level most shooting guards are in the 6-foot-4 to 6-foot-6 range. Connor has worked hard on his ball handling skills and has become more of a true distributer.  He is also an outstanding on ball defender. The best compliment that I can give to Connor is that he is fundamentally sound and a complete player."

Whitman continues the success of Occidental's basketball alumni to play at the international level.

"I have known Coach Newhall for many years," said Herzöge president Bobby Junger. "In addition to signing Song Cun, Sam Betty and Connor Whitman all from Occidental he has also given me many recommendations of quality players who have fit well with our club."

Following the success that Whitman has experienced this year, he is sure to have additional international basketball opportunities in the future.

"I think that my first professional season has been very successful and I am excited to see what this year has opened up for me."
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on May 30, 2009, 01:25:27 PM
Oxy basketball in the news! From the Yamhill County News Register (http://www.newsregister.com/article/38815-what+does+professional+team+mean+yamhill+county):

Quote
What does a professional team mean to Yamhill County?

Professional basketball is coming to Yamhill County soon. As soon, in fact, as late May.

The Yamhill High Flyers, affiliated with the International Basketball League, an organization with a five-year history, will start an abbreviated season in Portland May 26 against a club from China. The team's first home game will come two days later at 7:15 p.m. at McMinnville's Patton Middle School.

2009's four-game schedule will give local basketball fans just enough action to whet their appetites for a full-season campaign in 2010. At least that's the hope of High Flyers' General Manager Eric Bailey, IBL officials and several local sponsors.

But just what will a professional sports franchise mean to McMinnville specifically and Yamhill County in general? The most obvious answer is that the team will provide one more activity for sports fans to enjoy during the spring season as the NBA playoffs wind down following a long campaign and the Major League Baseball season is just getting underway.
...

To kick off the inaugural season, Bailey organized a press conference Friday at McMinnville City Park and a number of local dignitaries were on hand to welcome the High Flyers. All were looking forward to the team's first of home game.

The tone of Friday's press conference was optimistic, not only with local dignitaries and team officials, but the three players in attendance as well. Chris Hunt, a 6-foot-7 forward from Occidental College, explained that his folks own a winery in California. Before returning to Portland later in the afternoon, he said he just might visit a few local wineries to sample their products.
...

Hopefully, sports fans in general and basketball fans in particular will jump on the High Flyers — and IBL's — bandwagons right off the get-go and give the team and league their support as the Yamhill High Flyers become an integral part of the county's sports fare.

QuoteHigh Flyers earn franchise's first win in home debut

The Yamhill High Flyers of the International Basketball League played their first home game at Patton Middle School, hosting Japan's Nippon Tornadoes. Fittingly, the High Flyers earned the first win in franchise history in front of a strong crowd, beating the Tornadoes 140-121 behind a strong inside presence led by Jason Hartford. He finished with 38 points and 16 rebounds, while Chris Hunt had 31 points and 19 boards.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on May 30, 2009, 02:00:08 PM
Is defense not allowed in the IBL? ::)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coco on June 02, 2009, 07:05:55 PM
No, they don't allow defense. That's against the rules.

Actually, the Japanese team was very good at shooting threes, and they were too short to block our guys. I went to the game with a friend. Hunt was clearly one of the two strongest players on the team. They wore the Nippon Tornadoes down in the second half.

The game moves pretty fast, and the shot clock is only 22 seconds.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on June 16, 2009, 03:04:37 PM
any news from other SCIAC schools on incoming freshmen?

the stags should be bringing in a pretty strong class, and are only losing Gala and Soldner.

it should be between them, CLU, and P-P for the title this year.

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on August 22, 2009, 04:30:06 PM
Can anyone offer some info on how they think Whittier will be this year? Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: justatigerpa on August 22, 2009, 11:38:24 PM
...don't know about whittier, but my money is on Oxy! Go Tigers!  What's the word on the incoming players to the conference?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on August 27, 2009, 04:54:30 PM
Quote from: fcnews on August 22, 2009, 04:30:06 PM
Can anyone offer some info on how they think Whittier will be this year? Thanks in advance.

Whittier should be pretty down this year... Not sure about their new guys, but they lost 6 or 7 seniors last year including some of their top guys (Archuletta, Gibson, McLean) so it should be tough year for them.


I'm calling it right now: CalTech gets a SCIAC win this year!

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on August 27, 2009, 08:19:19 PM
Quote from: stag44 on August 27, 2009, 04:54:30 PM
Quote from: fcnews on August 22, 2009, 04:30:06 PM
Can anyone offer some info on how they think Whittier will be this year? Thanks in advance.

Whittier should be pretty down this year... Not sure about their new guys, but they lost 6 or 7 seniors last year including some of their top guys (Archuletta, Gibson, McLean) so it should be tough year for them.


I'm calling it right now: CalTech gets a SCIAC win this year!


Over Whittier? :-\
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on September 04, 2009, 02:13:00 AM
Former Oxy nemeses Adam and Amir Mazarei got some press in the Ventura County Star (http://www.venturacountystar.com/news/2009/sep/03/no-headline---sc4fcbbacademy03yth-fc):

QuoteBasketball academy warming up

The Kings Basketball Academy is preparing for boys for the high school programs..

Adam Mazarei runs the academy, but encourages athletes to play other sports.

Some of his academy boys are playing football.

The academy held its annual two-day clinic on Saturday and Sunday at the Newbury Park Advenist Academy gym.

Mazarei, a former basketball player at Westlake High and the University of Redlands, was pleased with the response.
...

Mazarei was an assistant coach at Newbury Park High in 2006 with Steve Johnson.

Mazarei served as assistant coach at Westlake and ran the summer program.

Amir, 24, and brother Adam were college basketball teammates at Redlands. Amir has the school's scoring records.

Younger brother Matthew, 19, is playing basketball at Moorpark College for Remy McCarthy.

Matthew helps Adam run the basketball academy.
...

The academy will play in a fall league in the San Fernando Valley.

Twice a month, the club will play in tournaments in Ventura, Santa Barbara and Orange counties.

The winter schedule includes more tournaments in Southern California. The spring and summer season includes tournaments in Las Vegas, Phoenix and Portland.

The club will travel to face the best competition in the nation.

The club is nearly four years old. Mazarei is working on his master's at Cal Lutheran, pursuing a counselor and guidance career and a teaching credential.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on September 16, 2009, 06:26:40 PM
one month till practice starts!!

any updates on teams... stud frosh/transfers? im very excited/interested in this upcoming year.

again... Caltech will win a game this year in SCIAC

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SJSUPhil on September 23, 2009, 11:02:56 PM
Rah, Rah Redlands. Go Bulldogs!  
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: West Coast Bias on September 30, 2009, 07:56:46 PM
I am as excited as you are for this season Stag!  Good questions.  I haven't heard any buzz, but then again I haven't talked to anyone who would know anything.


How is it looking over there are Claremont Junior College?  Is everyone back?  Any interesting newcommers?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on October 03, 2009, 08:49:54 AM
Quote from: West Coast Bias on September 30, 2009, 07:56:46 PM

How is it looking over there are Claremont Junior College?  Is everyone back?  Any interesting newcommers?

The Stags only lose two contributers from last year: Soldner and Gala, both to graduation. They return the SCIAC POY in Blees as well as everyone else including Toney, Lacey, Bagby, Faught.

The team should be fun to watch on offense.

Also.. no JC transfers this year  :P

Not sure on the newcomers. Coach always gets his new guys to compete and play hard.

My predictions:

1. CMS 13-1
T2. P-P 10-4
T2. CLU 10-4
4. Oxy - 9-5
5. Redlands - 7-7
6. ULV - 3-11
7. Whittier 3-11
8. Caltech 1-13

Here's to the SCIAC getting and NCAA Home Game not against another SCIAC opponent.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on October 04, 2009, 03:28:47 PM
Quote from: stag44 on October 03, 2009, 08:49:54 AM
My predictions:

8. Caltech 1-13
From your lips to god's ears...
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DIIIghetto on October 07, 2009, 03:01:23 PM
Looks like almost all SCIAC hoops programs have D1 teams on their schedules.  But I have to wonder about what is going on at Oxy this year (San Diego, Fullerton, Azusa Pac) - as if that wasn't crazy enough, am I reading it right that they have SMU from the Conference USA playing AT Oxy???  If that is not a typo, that one will rank right up there with Villanova at Redlands - and be a huge coup for our conference.  Someone tell us the deal on that one.  If all of those are right, it makes you wonder what Newhall is thinking - returning a mediocre team and lining up big guns like that.   My hat is off to him pulling off that schedule and taking those losses instead of the usual NAIA losses which get us nowhere in the DIII world. 

It also does not look like any great snowbird is coming out for the holidays, which is unfortunate.   No CLU historical upset over Wisc SP on the horizon this year. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Titan Q on October 07, 2009, 04:27:57 PM
Looks like SMU is coming to L.A. before heading to Honolulu...

http://smumustangs.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/sched/smu-m-baskbl-sched.html

Very cool...a D1 playing @ a D3 is almost unheard of.


(The San Diego game must be an Exhibition - Nov. 7 is before the allowed opening day for official games.)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on October 07, 2009, 06:24:09 PM
Quote from: DIIIghetto on October 07, 2009, 03:01:23 PM
Looks like almost all SCIAC hoops programs have D1 teams on their schedules.  But I have to wonder about what is going on at Oxy this year (San Diego, Fullerton, Azusa Pac) - as if that wasn't crazy enough, am I reading it right that they have SMU from the Conference USA playing AT Oxy???  If that is not a typo, that one will rank right up there with Villanova at Redlands - and be a huge coup for our conference.  Someone tell us the deal on that one.  If all of those are right, it makes you wonder what Newhall is thinking - returning a mediocre team and lining up big guns like that.   My hat is off to him pulling off that schedule and taking those losses instead of the usual NAIA losses which get us nowhere in the DIII world. 

It also does not look like any great snowbird is coming out for the holidays, which is unfortunate.   No CLU historical upset over Wisc SP on the horizon this year. 

It's not a typo.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on October 07, 2009, 07:15:46 PM
Cool.  I live in Dallas and go to SMU games once in awhile,  I will be in LA for Christmas, so I will try to get to that game.  Thanks for the heads up.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on October 07, 2009, 07:56:43 PM
Quote from: stag44 on October 03, 2009, 08:49:54 AM
8. Caltech 1-13

Question: Who takes the loss against Caltech?

Quote from: DIIIghetto on October 07, 2009, 03:01:23 PM
It also does not look like any great snowbird is coming out for the holidays, which is unfortunate.   No CLU historical upset over Wisc SP on the horizon this year. 

Wheaton will be in California to play in CLU's tournament, though a possible matchup against the Kingsmen depends on the results of a prior game. Wheaton also has a game scheduled against Pomona.

Quote from: DIIIghetto on October 07, 2009, 03:01:23 PM
Looks like almost all SCIAC hoops programs have D1 teams on their schedules.  But I have to wonder about what is going on at Oxy this year (San Diego, Fullerton, Azusa Pac) - as if that wasn't crazy enough, am I reading it right that they have SMU from the Conference USA playing AT Oxy?

From the Los Angeles Times, February 14, 2003:

Quote
[ O]ne of Occidental's biggest victories came in a Nov. 30 exhibition against Cal State Fullerton. Against the Division I Titans on their court, the Tigers pulled off an 82-74 victory. [Oxy head coach Brian] Newhall said it was a "dream" win for all Division III players.

Oxy loves beating teams called the Titans.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on October 07, 2009, 08:08:35 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on October 07, 2009, 07:56:43 PM
Wheaton will be in California to play in CLU's tournament, though a possible matchup against the Kingsmen depends on the results of a prior game. Wheaton also has a game scheduled against Pomona.
Will April be at the games? ???
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on October 08, 2009, 05:33:36 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on October 07, 2009, 07:56:43 PM

Question: Who takes the loss against Caltech?

OxyBob

I'd say either ULV or Whittier. Remember in 2006, whittier was down 5 with under 2 minutes to go at Braun, and needed overtime to win that game. They lost many of thier top players and with Caltech coming in with some decent talent, by their standards, it should be very interesting.

No chance of me being on SportCenter now though. haha
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on October 08, 2009, 05:37:30 AM
Also, any other predictions or news for the upcoming season.

Official practice is only a week away!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Titan Q on October 16, 2009, 12:01:28 PM
For help with my D3hoops.com Preseason Top 25 ballot, can you guys help me sort out the 2010 SCIAC race?  Cal Lu and CMS the favorites?  Who else should be on the Top 25 radar?  

Thanks for your help!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on October 16, 2009, 12:20:22 PM
Quote from: Titan Q on October 16, 2009, 12:01:28 PM
For help with my D3hoops.com Preseason Top 25 ballot, can you guys help me sort out the 2010 SCIAC race?  Cal Lu and CMS the favorites?  Who else should be on the Top 25 radar?  

CLU is loaded: Seniors Andy Meier, Kyle Knudsen, and Cameron Mitchell; juniors Aaron Fisher and Greg Grimm; and sophomore Aaron Van Klaveren. Going into the season the Kingsmen have to be the favorite to win the conference. CLU has an exhibition game against Cal State Northridge on November 4. Last season CLU led CSUN by 1 at the half and only lost by 11.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on October 18, 2009, 12:58:09 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on October 16, 2009, 12:20:22 PM

CLU is loaded: Seniors Andy Meier, Kyle Knudsen, and Cameron Mitchell; juniors Aaron Fisher and Greg Grimm; and sophomore Aaron Van Klaveren. Going into the season the Kingsmen have to be the favorite to win the conference. CLU has an exhibition game against Cal State Northridge on November 4. Last season CLU led CSUN by 1 at the half and only lost by 11.

OxyBob

I agree that CLU is a contender for the title, but think CMS is right there with them. Can't forget about Pomona, and I know Kats will have his team ready for conference. Oxy will be there as usual; Newhall always gets them to play hard.

CMS opens with a trip to Oregon vs George Fox and Willamette, which should test their leadership and nerves right away.

As for the national scene, I think that both CLU and CMS should be on the national radar. They both return their main guys and I believe that the SCIAC winner has a chance to advance out of the perennial SCIAC NWC tournament game.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DIIIghetto on October 22, 2009, 07:32:56 PM
As for the national scene, I think that both CLU and CMS should be on the national radar. They both return their main guys and I believe that the SCIAC winner has a chance to advance out of the perennial SCIAC NWC tournament game.

[/quote]

How I wish that could be true.  Unfortunately, other than CLU's epic Wisconsin SP victory, nothing either of these teams has done outside of conference gives me any reason to think that statement is anything more than wishful thinking.  Let us not forget recent tourney history:

2009: CMS 18 point loss to NW 2nd place team
2008: Oxy 1st round win over PP; 2nd round 8 point lost to NW 1st place team
2007: Oxy 17 pt loss to Mississippi College (just thinking about how the Committee jacked the SCIAC that year by giving us that 1st round game still makes me mad)
2006: Oxy 1st round win over CMS; 2nd round 7 pt loss to NW 1st place team
2005: PP 8 pt loss to Trinity

The only Tourney wins we have gotten lately have been over very familiar SCIAC opponents.  Here is to hoping that whoever has the best SCIAC team this year can win convincingly enough to get a home tourney game.  Either that or maybe the NWC can get bumped to NAIA. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etule on October 22, 2009, 07:53:15 PM
Those NW conference teams were very good. 07/08 Oxy played without the big man(anderson) who was injured in the first round game. I attended that game and it was a very close game . Whitworth made 20 straight free throws to seal the win.
At Mississippi Oxy played without Bettie sp? Regional player of the year.(injury)

I agree they have got to get by second round game to get some respect.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hugenerd on November 05, 2009, 07:35:42 PM
For any of you that are interested, the Caltech site is updated with season preview, schedule, roster, etc.  Looks like they have some size coming in with this freshman class: 6'5", 6'7", and 6'9".  Add that to a couple other returning bigs and they should have some depth on the back line.  They also have 20 guys on their roster, so numbers shouldnt be an issue, and there are 5 coaches listed, so Coach Eslinger looks like he has a full staff.  Looking forward to them breaking that conference losing streak this year.

http://gocaltech.com/sports/mbkb/index
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on November 05, 2009, 11:55:43 PM
I looked at the bios.  Some of those guys look like they can play.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hugenerd on November 06, 2009, 02:06:19 PM
I agree with you, looks like a lot of these guys actually played in high school (which is not always the case on the Caltech team) and some were actually stars on those teams.  For example (all freshman):

Colin Murphy (6'0")- 3 year varsity players, led team to state tourney, all-state quarterback and defensive end, all-region in soccer --- this guy looks like an athlete

Mike Edwards (6'7") - All league for 2 years in basketball

Aloex Runkel (6'5") - from Germany, played basketball for KGJ Schwenningen (appears to be some regional team where a lot of national junior level players play, not sure though), also a state champion in tennis

Jesse Shevin (6'9") - played on varsity team

Looks like things may be going in the right direction, when you add those guys to some returning players who know what they are doing, such as Ryan Elmquist (13.4 ppg last year), they could surprise some people.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on November 06, 2009, 03:42:45 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on November 05, 2009, 07:35:42 PM
For any of you that are interested, the Caltech site is updated with season preview, schedule, roster, etc.  Looks like they have some size coming in with this freshman class: 6'5", 6'7", and 6'9".  Add that to a couple other returning bigs and they should have some depth on the back line.  They also have 20 guys on their roster, so numbers shouldnt be an issue, and there are 5 coaches listed, so Coach Eslinger looks like he has a full staff.  Looking forward to them breaking that conference losing streak this year.

http://gocaltech.com/sports/mbkb/index

I agree fully and called it early in the summer. After meeting Coach Eslinger last year while scouting and then playing agains his teams, I knew they were going to have some firepower in the upcoming years.

I didnt realize the strength of their recruiting class, and they actually may take 2 wins away. Good to see that there will be more parity in the SCIAC and it should help the OWP and OOWP.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gosox on November 06, 2009, 06:11:42 PM
Should be interesting this year.  Mike Edwards was looked at by WSU, Metro State, Masters College and APU that I know of.  Loves the game and goes hard....actually got some interest from Long Beach State for Volleyball, and only played the game his senior year....
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hugenerd on November 07, 2009, 12:14:11 AM
Colin Murphy, who is from Sarah Palin's home town, is apparently blogging for Caltech:

http://caltech.typepad.com/caltech_as_it_happens/the-bloggers-20092010.html


Mike Edwards is on this list of top 32 combo forwards in SoCaol (although I am not sure of the reputation of the site):

http://www.fullctpress.net/09socalplayerrankingspart2.html


I think the key is for these guys to start playing as a team and to get used to their roles.  You have to remember that most of the guys on the team either didnt play in high school or are not used to playing a lot of minutes (looks like they have a few guys who were the stars at their high school, but that seems to be the exception, most of them look like they were role players in high school, if that).  Caltech is still not to the point yet in talent where all of their rotation will be filled with high school starters.  There is no doubt that most of these guys are upgrades on past players' skill levels, but it will take time for some of the guys to get used to playing more minutes and get used to the system in general.  Hopefully Coach Eslinger scheduled some good scrimmages (I believe the first was tonight) and some resonable games early in the season, so they will be ready come league play to pick up a few Ws.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on November 07, 2009, 01:54:42 PM
Stags play the Afghan National Team tonight at 730 in Ducey.

Nice test and segue into real games for them. I expect a pretty convincing victory.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on November 08, 2009, 12:50:48 AM
Oxy opened their season tonight with an exhibition game against the University of San Diego.

From the USD web site:

QuoteUSD runs past Occidental 91-52 in Exhibition
Five Toreros reach double-digit scoring

The USD men's basketball team dealt the visiting Occidental Tigers a 91-52 defeat in the Toreros lone preseason exhibition game. Senior guard De'Jon Jackson led five Toreros in double-digit scoring with 15 points on 7-of-9 shooting from the field. All told, twelve of the thirteen Toreros that played scored at least one point. Jackson was followed in double-digit scoring by freshman guard Patrick McCollum (13 points), junior forward Clinton Houston (11 points), junior guard Matt Dorr (11 points) and freshman forward Chris Manresa (10 points, game-high 8 rebounds).

The Toreros jumped out to a 42-29 halftime lead as Houston scored the team's first 5 points of the game and 7 of 11 out of the gates. Occidental, behind Huston Conti's 14 first half points (4-6 in threes), were within two midway through the half (21-19 at 10:17 mark) before the Toreros closed out the half with a 21-10 run. USD's pressure defense and ability to push the ball up the floor helped them extend their lead in the second half and the game was never in doubt. USD, with both experience and youth this season, showed it will have some depth at both ends of the floor.

For the game USD shot 57.6% from the field (38-66) and outrebounded the smaller Oxy Tigers, 41-24. Additional tidbits included Dorr making all three of his treys; fifth-year senior guard Brandon Johnson chipping in with 9 points and 5 assists; and Jackson and McCollum each tallying three steals.

For Oxy, Huston Conti had 14, and Sean Anderson and Deshun McCoy each scored 12.

Oxy's next game will be a another challenging outing at Azusa Pacific on November 17.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on November 09, 2009, 04:42:07 PM
The Stags took care of business against the Afghans, winning by a score of 82-66.

Friends at the game told me it was pretty sloppy, but the Stags were able to score at will. Look for this team to be far more explosive on the offensive end compared to the Stags of the past 4-5 years. They have 6 guys who can go for 20 on any given night, and could be 11 deep and not have much of a drop off.

They should have a great test opening up in Oregon vs Willamette and George Fox. It's always been tough for the Stags away vs the NWC, but I think this group should be able to get a sweep up there!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 11, 2009, 02:13:03 PM
I know Chapman isn't in the SCIAC, but one of the Cougars, Justin Riley, is one of our D3hoops Insiders for this season.  He'll blog about Division III ball on the west coast, starting with his first entry (http://d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2009/11/11/meet-the-insiders-justin-riley/).
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on November 16, 2009, 12:45:22 PM
Opening week for some of our SCIAC teams:

Game of the Week: CLU vs Chapman: Early season challenge for both teams. Both return their whole or bulk of teams so it should be a great matchup. This game is MUCH more important for Chapman as they are an independent. A win against a 14th ranked CLU would put them on the national radar make it easier for a possible bid.

Prediction: In talking with some of the guys, I like CLU in this game. The combo of Meier and Knudsen is as good as any guard-post combo I've ever played against or seen in D3. Chapman is ALWAYS a tough place to play at, and they're always well coached. Should be an excellent game. I wish I could be there, but I'll be slaving away in NYC.


As for my stags: We are travelling up to Oregon for an early test against the NWC. We face Willamette and George Fox. While they are both supposedly in down years, the Stags have always had trouble playing when they fly out anywhere. Seeing them play this weekend, though, I sense the Stags will be ready to put up some points and get 2 wins.

Other Games:

Chapman vs P-P: Saw Kats at the CMS-PP football game as well as the alot of the PP team. They dont lose much, and another good early season matchup. Pick: Chapman

Oxy vs APU: Don't know much about OXY, but should be an easy win for APU.

Caltech vs La Sierra: A new-look Caltech team should take this game by 6-10 points.

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldchap on November 18, 2009, 03:28:26 AM
Quote from: stag44 on November 16, 2009, 12:45:22 PM
Game of the Week: CLU vs Chapman: Early season challenge for both teams. Both return their whole or bulk of teams so it should be a great matchup. This game is MUCH more important for Chapman as they are an independent. A win against a 14th ranked CLU would put them on the national radar make it easier for a possible bid.

Prediction: In talking with some of the guys, I like CLU in this game. The combo of Meier and Knudsen is as good as any guard-post combo I've ever played against or seen in D3. Chapman is ALWAYS a tough place to play at, and they're always well coached. Should be an excellent game. I wish I could be there, but I'll be slaving away in NYC.

I wasn't at the game, but it appears that Chapman strolled through an easy victory against an always tough and well coached Pomona Pitzer team. The outcome was all but sealed by the end of the first half with a 41-25 lead for Chapman and a final score of 71-53.

Clearly, the Chapman team who was the number one defense in the nation last year, is proving once again where their strength lies, allowing only 53 points against a PP team who likes to run and shoot 3 pointers until the cows come home.

The matchup against CLU is going to be tougher but I know the men at Chapman have something to prove this year, having missed a spot in the post-season tournament by just a hair last season. However, I don't want to jinx it, so I will not give you my prognosis. But you know who I'll be rooting for.... :)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on November 18, 2009, 08:16:45 PM
Oxy played at No. 24 NAIA-I Azusa Pacific on Tuesday and lost 74-57. The Tigers led by as much as 8 in the first half, led 31-27 at the break, and were up by 6 in the second half at 16:30. It was tied at 48 at 11:45. APU then went on a 7-minute, 26-0 blitz and led 74-48. Those 26-0 runs will get you every time.

For Oxy, Deshun McCoy scored 18 and Sean Anderson had 12. The Tigers play at West Coast Baptist this Friday at 7:30 p.m.

Quote from: oldchap on November 18, 2009, 03:28:26 AM
I know the men at Chapman have something to prove this year, having missed a spot in the post-season tournament by just a hair last season.

So how many times is Chapman going to play La Sierra this season and not make the playoffs again?

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on November 18, 2009, 08:48:59 PM
OXY BOB:
Lest you forget, Chapman defeated every SCIAC team they played last year. Can you refresh me on the OXY-CU score, as I can't seem to find it.

Also, I see OXY playing La Sierra twice, plus quite a few" do not count"  games. But, I can't seem to locate OXY on CU'S schedule this year either. I don't understand it, would beating Chapman hurt your SOS rating?

Good luck this year!

Cheers,
Dahlby
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on November 19, 2009, 12:38:40 AM
Quote from: dahlby on November 18, 2009, 08:48:59 PM
Also, I see OXY playing La Sierra twice, plus quite a few" do not count"  games. But, I can't seem to locate OXY on CU'S schedule this year either. I don't understand it, would beating Chapman hurt your SOS rating?

Oxy replaced Chapman with Cal State Fullerton and SMU.

I see that Chapman left UDallas off the schedule this season. Good move.

Which team had the 3rd lowest strength of schedule in all of D-III last season? I won't mention any names, but the team's initials are CU.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldchap on November 19, 2009, 08:28:49 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on November 18, 2009, 08:16:45 PM

So how many times is Chapman going to play La Sierra this season and not make the playoffs again?

OxyBob

Chapman is definitely returning a full team, however, the one returning in top shape this season, as always, is definitely OxyBob. That's going to be such a fun season and looking forward to exchanging barbs with you!  :P
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fhsutiger on November 20, 2009, 10:41:48 AM
Quote from: stag44 on November 16, 2009, 12:45:22 PMAs for my stags: We are travelling up to Oregon for an early test against the NWC. We face Willamette and George Fox. While they are both supposedly in down years, the Stags have always had trouble playing when they fly out anywhere. Seeing them play this weekend, though, I sense the Stags will be ready to put up some points and get 2 wins.


The Stags have looked very good in the preseason with Scrimmages against Cal Poly Pomona and an Exhibition game with the Afghanistan National team where the Stags won by a convincing margin. It was good to see that the Afghan team came to play this year, with tough losses to Laverne, CMS, and Cal Lu. It should help get our SCIAC teams ready for the upcoming season play.

I am really looking forward to seeing how Scali and the boys do up in the Northwest this weekend. The Stags are loaded with Talent this year and should be able to have a very successful year this year. With the losses of two of my favorite players (Gala and Soldner), the Stags return a large portion of players that saw lots of action last year.  The Stags return SCIAC player of the year (Jr.) Chris Blees who led the team in scoring with (12.4/g) and rebounding (7.3/g). Blees has put on some extra muscle in the off-season and looks to dominate again this year. Jason Toney also returns to the Stags this year after receiving First-Team All-SCIAC last year. Toney's athleticism and leadership will help the Stags go a long way this year. Other notable returner's are Senior's Mike Bagby and Conner Faught. There shooting has improved even more over the summer, and as the Sagehen's know......You can't let Faught and Bagby go off on you from 3-point land or your in trouble. They have a tendency to make the big 3's when the Stags need them the most. In the middle is the big guy (JR) Patrick Lacey who I believe will have a break out season this year. Lacey brings a fierce competitor to the team this year, after having a so-so season last year. Look for big things from Lacey and (Fr) Greyson Blue who is out for the next month with a Wrist surgery.  
Players who will see a lot of action this year are (Sr) Ben Bergsma, (JR) Shane Davis, (JR) Beau Heidrich, (JR) Bryant Oberg, and (SO) Joey Anderson. Some Freshman who may make a splash this year for the Stags are Kevin Sullivan,  Greyson Blue and Alex Smith. These freshmen have a lot of talent and bring a lot of excitement to the floor. Look for these Freshmen to help the STAGS bring home another SCIAC championship this year.
It looks like Coach Scalmanini (Scali for those who know him) has done a great job keeping the foundation solid. Look for the Stags to bring two home from the Northwest this weekend as they get ready for there home opener next Saturday at the Wells Classic.

I would love to hear about your respective teams this year, so please give us a shout out on how you thing your teams will fair this year. I can promise you Stag 44 and I will do our best to bring you the news about our CMS Stags this season. Everyone have a great Thanksgiving next week, and Go Stags.


Edited by DC to add the missing quote information
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on November 21, 2009, 01:04:07 AM
CMS @ George Fox

CMS 76 - GFU - 67
CMS: Faught - 22pts 2rebs 2assist 2charges drawn!, Blees 16pts 7rebs, Bagby 9pts, Lacey 8pts.
GFU: Wiseley - 21pts 7assts, Smith - 13pts 15rebs, Stockner 16pts, Lingenfelder 10pts

Highlights and Observations:

CMS looked very nervous/anxious the first 8 minutes of the game as Fox jumped out to a 23-11 lead early in the first half. The stags had 10 early turnovers and Fox looked poised in their home opener. The Stag D then start to force turnovers and settled in and showed off their explosive offense. They went on a 25-7 run to go up 8 at half. The second half saw the Stags come out sluggish again, and the boost came from Faught again as he sparked the second unit. The Stags maintained a 6-8 point lead for most of the second half.

Blees couldn't get into much of a rhythm as he was saddled with foul trouble all game long, on some ticky-tack fouls. Faught looked really nice coming off the bench for the Stags. He even made me proud by drawing a player control foul followed by a HUGE charge that stemmed a late Fox rally. Joey Anderson has really developed this last year, and had a nice dunk in transition. The guard containment was an issue for the stags as it seemed Wiseley could get to the rim at will with limited weakside help until the second half. Lacey looked good when he got touches on the block, either getting to his shots or finding cutters or pitched shooters.

At times it seemed too easy for the Stags, as they scored at will and defended like the usual CMS teams. But, there was alot of the game where the offense stalled, either with one person or on one side of the floor. I dont have the stat, but I think when the Stags passed over 5 times in a possesion, they probably shot well over 60%.

As for Fox, their two new recruits, Smith and Wiseley looked very nice. The PG made our usually solid guard defenders look slow and unprepared. I could see Fox causing some noise and upsetting a few teams in the NWC if they dont come to play.

Overall, it was nice to see the Stags get a win on the road in another state. They stemmed an early run by Fox, and looked good in spurts. They'll need to put together a more complete effort tomorrow night against a solid Willamette team.

On a funny side note.. Apparently I have yet to graduate, and logged 3pts and 1asst in the live scores feed tonight. Sorry to Kevin Sullivan, as he is rocking the 44 now.

Good luck to the Stags tomorrow night!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldchap on November 21, 2009, 10:43:06 AM
Chapman takes down No. 14 Cal Lutheran in home-opener by a score of 80-74. Here is where you can get a summary of the game:

Chapman site:
http://www.chapmanathletics.com/sports/mbkb/2009-10/news/1120

CLU site:
http://www.clusports.com/mens_basketball/news/6006/

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cmsme on November 21, 2009, 06:10:28 PM

On Claremont vs George Fox, the link below is for pictures of the game.  I was hoping to find a copy of the video, but could not.

http://gfuathletics.smugmug.com/Basketball-Men/2009-2010/2009-11-20/10388317_Q89o8#719650670_AYr2B


I also wanted to thank you guys for your comments.  I don't understand very much about the game so it is interesting to read.

I do think that Claremont has a very strong bench but that may be prejudice on my part.

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FunkFootball on November 22, 2009, 08:58:39 PM
Quote from: oldchap on November 21, 2009, 10:43:06 AM
Chapman takes down No. 14 Cal Lutheran in home-opener by a score of 80-74. Here is where you can get a summary of the game:

Chapman site:
http://www.chapmanathletics.com/sports/mbkb/2009-10/news/1120

CLU site:
http://www.clusports.com/mens_basketball/news/6006/



Chapman's crowd was brutal on Friday night. I was at the game. They were in Gregg Grimm's head. He was caught yelling back at the crowd 4 to 5 times. At the NCAA level you have to have the ability to mentally zone out the crowd, no matter how intimate the setting.

The stats may not show it, but he had some crucial mess ups.

As for my opinion on CU BBall. Don't worry I won't be making any posts on www.funkfootball.blogspot.com telling Coach Bokosky. He knows what he's doing.

Kyle Wood is real good too.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on November 24, 2009, 12:42:30 AM
OXY BOB:
So you replaced Chapman with some big time names. But I also see that you are going to be challenged twice by La Sierra and West Coast Baptist. Also, big time game against American Sport Institute.

I still can't figure out why you couldn't find a place for such another weakling like CU on your schedule.

I really wouldn't be knocking CU too much about their schedule after looking at yours.
It will be interestiing to note further into the season how each team does against common opponents. You are good at analysis, so I will be looking for your summary nearer the end of the season.

Happy Turkey Day to all!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on November 24, 2009, 11:17:30 PM
Quote from: dahlby on November 24, 2009, 12:42:30 AM
I really wouldn't be knocking CU too much about their schedule after looking at yours.

Yup, cuz playing Chapman will give our guys a whole lot better experience than facing CSU Fullerton and Southern Methodist . . .

What the heck is Coach Newhall thinking? 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on November 25, 2009, 12:29:51 AM
Sabretooth Tiger:

I am specifically refering to The 2 West Coast Baptist and La Sierra games, along with the Sports Institute challenge. Seeing that you are from Oxy,  I would have thought that you could have figured that out! I know that Oxy Bob would have. The rest of the SCIAC is playing CU this year. Maybe you can shed some insight why Oxy was planning to play us, then pulled out?  I sure don't know why.

Happy Turkey weekend.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on November 25, 2009, 01:55:30 AM
How do you know Oxy was "planning to play" Chapman or that it "pulled out?"  Making an awful lot of assumptions here aren't you? I have no insights. Frankly, I'm perfectly happy letting coach Newhall and the Oxy athletics department set the schedule that they think is best and I'll be a fan.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on November 25, 2009, 05:23:53 AM
Sabretooth Tiger:

I deal only in facts on this board. That is why I don't post very often.
I suggest that until and/or unless you have all the facts regarding the CU and/or Oxy
schedules that you refrain from commenting about them.

I am very aware of the problems that CU has in scheduling games with good in region opponents. If you look at their schedule, you can see for yourself.

Anyway, good luck to the Tigers this year. I have always had respect for Oxy's programs and their student athletes.

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on November 25, 2009, 05:18:56 PM
Maybe it's Chapman's fault.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on November 25, 2009, 05:26:18 PM
Quote from: dahlby on November 25, 2009, 12:29:51 AM
Maybe you can shed some insight why Oxy was planning to play us, then pulled out?  I sure don't know why.

I think it's because Chapman wouldn't schedule a rubber game.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: John Gleich on November 25, 2009, 06:47:51 PM
Interesting tidbit... I just compiled the WIAC non-conference schedule on the WIAC page, and there are no games between SCIAC and WIAC teams this year.  Contrast this with 10 games between the WIAC and the NWC...

Not to reopen any can's of... yeah... about the SCIAC not getting enough love in the polls... it's very difficult to gauge a team (let alone a conference) based on a very small sample size.  It appears to me that the MWC has reached out to the WIAC in terms of scheduling and though the flights are probably closer, it's not by a ton, so there shouldn't be too much extra expense in Madison to L.A. vs. Madison to Seattle.

Just a thought...!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on November 25, 2009, 07:30:21 PM
Gray Fox,
I see you used the word "maybe" which leads me to believe that you are just throwing out a comment.

PointSpecial,
You are right. Until the SCIAC teams, as well as Chapman, start playing some quality out of area teams that are ranked, they will be left with only the automatic bid, and Chapman will be left scratching their head wonderiing why they didn't receive an invite.

Chapman does play a playoff team from last year Saturday night against Elmhurst College (Chicago area). I know the dad of one of their starters, and he indicated that they lost some of their key players from last year and are rebuilding this year. We will just have to wait and see what happens at the game.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on November 25, 2009, 11:08:02 PM
Quote from: dahlby on November 25, 2009, 07:30:21 PM
Gray Fox,
I see you used the word "maybe" which leads me to believe that you are just throwing out a comment.
Just like you relating to the Chapman / Oxy schedules.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on November 26, 2009, 03:02:51 AM
Gray Fox,

Apparently you do not read well. I stated that I don't post unless I know something for sure. So if you have some facts, put 'em up. The weakest offense is a poor defense, and you have not refuted one thing regarding the Chapman schedule. So unless you go to a Chapman game and/or talk to the coaches, I suggest you limit your unfounded comments to something you have first hand knowledge of.

Cheers, ya' all!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on November 26, 2009, 12:40:58 PM
QuoteOXY BOB:
Lest you forget, Chapman defeated every SCIAC team they played last year. Can you refresh me on the OXY-CU score, as I can't seem to find it.

Also, I see OXY playing La Sierra twice, plus quite a few" do not count"  games. But, I can't seem to locate OXY on CU'S schedule this year either. I don't understand it, would beating Chapman hurt your SOS rating?

Good luck this year!

Cheers,
Dahlby
This is your first post on this subject.  There is nothing in it that says Oxy has avoided CU this year.  Maybe they have, but you haven't stated so.  I do not know, or really care.  CU played here in Dallas a couple of years ago.  Maybe they can do that again.  When I talked to the CU assistant coach at the time, he never mentioned that some teams were avoiding them.  Oxy has the same coach as they did then,  so I don't think that is a problem.  We did discuss Chapman's efforts to join the SCIAC, but that is a whole different subject that has been worn out on these pages. :)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 26, 2009, 12:59:23 PM
Quote from: dahlby on November 25, 2009, 07:30:21 PMChapman does play a playoff team from last year Saturday night against Elmhurst College (Chicago area). I know the dad of one of their starters, and he indicated that they lost some of their key players from last year and are rebuilding this year. We will just have to wait and see what happens at the game.

To say that Elmhurst "lost some of their key players from last year" is a serious understatement. The entire front line from last season -- three All-CCIW performers, one of whom was a second-team All-American -- is gone. What's more, the backup center of the past two seasons -- who was projected to be the team's mainstay in the middle this year -- elected not to play in 2009-10. The Bluejays are going with a four-guard lineup, more out of necessity than strength, with the sole forward a 6'9 sophomore who had a grand total of three minutes' varsity playing time as a freshman.

The best indicator of the lack of respect that Elmhurst is getting in CCIW circles this season is the fact that a number of prognosticators in the CCIW pick'em room are taking Chapman in this game.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on November 26, 2009, 02:56:28 PM
Gregory Sager,

Thanks for the info, it confirms what an Elmhurst parent told me earlier. So much for scheduling Elmhurst last year in an effort to improve their SOS. Gotta give Elmhurst credit for still traveling out here to play CU and Redlands, though. I will be at the game Saturday night in Orange.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on November 26, 2009, 03:01:53 PM
Gray Fox,
The conversation started last year when the playoffs came up and Chapman did not make the tourney field with their record. I agreed that their SOS was a shame. I also indicated that despite their weak schedule, thet they still beat all the SCIAC teams that would play them. This year is better for CU's schedule, as all but Oxy are playing them this year, with two playing them twice. One step further, check the rest of the SCIAC's schedules and you will see that all the SCIAC teams are playing La Sierra twice, except CMS and someone else. Must be that beating up on La Sierra twice will help the SCIAC runner-up getting a Pool C bid based on SOS.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on November 26, 2009, 03:18:33 PM
I just don't think that anyone in the SCIAC is trying to screw over CU.  They all do what is best for themselves.  They don't have to give Chapman priority, but it would make sense that they would do their best to play them.   Sometimes things just don't work out in life. :'(
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on November 26, 2009, 03:30:03 PM
Gray Fox,
Could not have put it better myself. Now if only some of the SCIAC posters would do their homework before knocking anyone's schedule, the world would be a better place. By the way, CU should work harder to improve their SOS, if they are at all interested in making the playoffs someday.

Enjoy your southern style turkey on this day that  for which we all have a lot to be thankful!

Cheers,
Dahlby
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on November 26, 2009, 03:45:01 PM
Quote from: dahlby on November 26, 2009, 03:30:03 PM
Enjoy your southern style turkey on this day that  for which we all have a lot to be thankful!

Cheers,
Dahlby
The only thing southern about my turkey will be that is eaten in Texas.  It would taste much better if it were in southern California.

Have a good turkey day yourself.  We all have a lot for which to be Thankful.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fhsutiger on November 27, 2009, 10:30:24 AM
Chapman this and Chapman that...why are we even talking about Chapman on this board. This is the SCIAC conference and the last I heard, they were still trying and begging to join us our league. This is my take on the matter. Yes, they beat a couple of our teams last year and yes they had an easy schedule, but the fact is they didn't make the tournament. So until they do, lets stop talking about it. Sometimes you have to prove that you are worth the talk, and let's face it, there schedule was just to EASY!  So let's talk about the teams that actually matter in this conference. HOW about some of the upcoming games this weekend that involve our SCIAC teams. First lets start with my Stags...After a tough loss up in Oregon on Saturday night, Scali and the boys will be ready to regroup and play a little harder on the defensive end tonight. I can't even remember the last time the Stags gave up 94 points in a game. I look forward to watching a great defensive effort against UCSC. From what I have heard from the coaching staff, this is a much better Santa Cruz team than last year. I look for Chris Blees to have a great game tonight. Chris should be able to take there big guys off the dribble for some easy points. Game time is set for 5pm at Pomona-Pitzer with the PP taking on St. Olaf at 7pm.

DUCEY GYM- CMS
Saturday Night
@ 5pm- PP vs. UCSC
@ 7pm- St. Olaf vs. CMS
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on November 30, 2009, 03:19:36 PM
OxyBob,

Haven't posted in a long time.  Have you seen McCoy play?  Seems like he is doing well.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on November 30, 2009, 06:50:27 PM
I did the Oxy-APU game and though things got away from the Tigers, they showed some promise.  McCoy is the real deal and will be All-SCIAC in short order.  Leider the point guard struggled against an athletically superior team, so the jury is still out on whether he will be able handle SCIAC defenses.  Hanley is a keeper as a wing.  Anderson is the wild card.  If he plays consistently at the level he has shown in stretches, Oxy will give  Cal Lu a run this year.  The Tigers are definitely in the conversation this year.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TeeDub on December 01, 2009, 10:13:53 PM
The Chapman debate may have just received some fuel with the new Top 25 rankings...
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldchap on December 02, 2009, 01:33:31 AM
Quote from: Jordis Rocks on December 01, 2009, 10:13:53 PM
The Chapman debate may have just received some fuel with the new Top 25 rankings...

Chapman is finally getting some attention and the respect that it so much deserves. It's about time!! Sometimes I wonder if all of this isn't about making noise. With Justin Riley's new blog and so much talk on these forums, some people are finally taking a serious look at their record, the team, coaching staff, etc. and realizing that they're for real. Let's hope now that this newfound fame isn't going to go to the players heads. It's so easy at that age to become cocky and think you're invincible....
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DIIIghetto on December 02, 2009, 01:22:12 PM
CMS & PP absolutely killed the entire conference this weekend, losing to St. Olaf (9th place team right in their conference?) and UC Santa Cruz.  Those two losses really hurt us on the national scene and all but assure us that our conference rep to the tournament will be making a trip in the first round (hopefully just down the road to Chapman).  We either were wrong to put them out as our best teams or maybe our conference is really just that bad this year.  Either way, we just took two huge steps back in our quest for national recognition.

Well, maybe we should have Chapman in our conference to help us in our quest.  Chapman is handling their business this year and look solid.   
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on December 02, 2009, 02:49:10 PM
Quote from: Jordis Rocks on December 01, 2009, 10:13:53 PM
The Chapman debate may have just received some fuel with the new Top 25 rankings...

You mean the poll with 4 CCIW teams in it and Whittier with 3 ORVs?

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on December 02, 2009, 04:02:29 PM
The CMS and P-P losses do hurt alot.

Knowing both Scali and Kats, though, they are always the two teams that improve through the course of the season and make adjusments better than any in the conference.

In my 4 years there, CMS and P-P always had alarmingly poor preseasons, but come conference time, we were both in the hunt for titles, whereas CLU and OXY would always have marquee wins early on, but tend to taper off as SCIAC wore on (see OXY 05-06).

Regardless, the Stag D has been absolutely poor. To give up 90+ points in Oregon, and then have a guard go for 30 is not good. I'm not worried though, Scali always gets the guys to play D for him. If players don't they wont play come SCIAC time.

How does Whittier get any votes? They 4 of their top guys, but seems they've brought in some transfers and the younger guys have developed.

Another BIG weekend for some SCIAC teams:

P-P  plays @ the WONDERFUL Lopata Classic. WashU hosts probably the best D3 weekend tournament around, from the hospitality to the quality of games and overall experience. P-P has a REALLY big opportunity on a National stage show their ability. They open with Whitworth and then will either play WashU or a very talented NAIA-I McKendree. A split this weekend would be a success for them.

CLU, Redlands, and Chapman @ the Lee Fulmer Tournament - Playing in this tournament last year was FUN! of course we were able to upset #15 Whitworth and with the tournament, but playing at Currier Gym is a GREAT atmosphere.  A possible semi-final matchup could be an early season rematch between CLU and Chapman. The winner of that side of the bracket should win the tournament. Chapman will have thier hands full with a talented UCSC team in the first round. Looks like an extremely competitive field with the winner having to probably get 3 quality wins.

My Stags have a quiet week, with just one game vs La Sierra. Hopefully we'll see an inspired defensive performance from them and see them hold La Sierra to under 50 pts.

For those curious: there will be FREE live video of the Lopata Classic if you navigate through the WashU website.

Would love to have some SCIAC teams sign up for this service so I can watch some games from cold NYC.

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on December 02, 2009, 05:03:31 PM
Since I work at Wash U, I will be making the walk across campus to the games this weekend. 

PP and CMS seem to be the SCIAC teams that make the trip here most of the time...should be nice to see how PP stacks up.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on December 02, 2009, 05:40:48 PM
Quote from: stag44 on December 02, 2009, 04:02:29 PM
In my 4 years there, CMS and P-P always had alarmingly poor preseasons, but come conference time, we were both in the hunt for titles, whereas CLU and OXY would always have marquee wins early on, but tend to taper off as SCIAC wore on (see OXY 05-06).

CMS had a great SCIAC season in 2005-2006, but I forget, how did the Stags do in the playoffs? I remember that Oxy lost a close second-round game to a tough Puget Sound team.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on December 02, 2009, 11:58:29 PM
OxyBob,

Lets not get started on the NCAA debacle in the 05-06 year. Everyone knows CMS should have hosted that game, and you know for a fact that if it was in the "Temple of Doom" the outcome would have probably been different.

I remember listening to that UPS-OXY game and thinking the SCIAC was going to get it. If I remember correctly, OXY was only down 3 or so and then a thunderous put-back dunk by McVey sent UPS on their way to the win and Elite 8.

Regardless, lets all hope that the NWC-SCIAC matchup this year can be played down in California!

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 03, 2009, 12:43:27 AM
Quote from: stag44 on December 02, 2009, 04:02:29 PMIn my 4 years there, CMS and P-P always had alarmingly poor preseasons

Non-conference, not preseason. The season started November 15. These games count.

Quote from: stag44 on December 02, 2009, 04:02:29 PMCLU, Redlands, and Chapman @ the Lee Fulmer Tournament - Playing in this tournament last year was FUN! of course we were able to upset #15 Whitworth and with the tournament, but playing at Currier Gym is a GREAT atmosphere.  A possible semi-final matchup could be an early season rematch between CLU and Chapman. The winner of that side of the bracket should win the tournament. Chapman will have thier hands full with a talented UCSC team in the first round. Looks like an extremely competitive field with the winner having to probably get 3 quality wins.

I've always liked the Fulmer's eight-team format and I've wondered why more SCIAC teams don't adopt it for their own tournaments. Money, perhaps? The Fulmer opens up the possibility for a snowbird to get in an extra game in sunny SoCal without having to spend an extra day there (most snowbirds spend at least three days on their Cali trip), making it more attractive than a mere four-team tourney format -- especially to NWC teams that are always looking for more in-region games -- and it gives the Bulldogs a chance to get in another in-region game themselves. Of course, this year's crop of prospective D3 snowbirds must've been thin, since Redlands has to add non-D3s West Coast Baptist and Menlo to the field (Menlo's a dual NCAA-3/NAIA-2 member, but it declares for the NAIA-2 tourney every year and thus doesn't count as a D3 opponent), but the idea of having eight teams play three games in three days is still a good one for a West Coast D3 program.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TeeDub on December 03, 2009, 03:46:58 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 03, 2009, 12:43:27 AM
Quote from: stag44 on December 02, 2009, 04:02:29 PMIn my 4 years there, CMS and P-P always had alarmingly poor preseasons

Non-conference, not preseason. The season started November 15. These games count.


No, the summers are traditionally tough here...   ;)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on December 03, 2009, 05:37:36 PM
Took a look at the program for the Lopata.  In 2010 it looks like Wash U, CMS, Franklin and Marshall and Tsinghua University (China) round out the field.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldchap on December 03, 2009, 10:25:18 PM
Quote from: stag44 on December 02, 2009, 04:02:29 PM
CLU, Redlands, and Chapman @ the Lee Fulmer Tournament - Playing in this tournament last year was FUN! of course we were able to upset #15 Whitworth and with the tournament, but playing at Currier Gym is a GREAT atmosphere.  A possible semi-final matchup could be an early season rematch between CLU and Chapman. The winner of that side of the bracket should win the tournament. Chapman will have thier hands full with a talented UCSC team in the first round. Looks like an extremely competitive field with the winner having to probably get 3 quality wins.

Chapman manhandled UCSC, handing them a 30 point defeat. Santa Cruz led 2-1 at 17 min in the first half, it was 5-5 a minute later and then Chapman never looked back, 35-19 at the half and a final score of 74-44.

Tomorrow is going to be an interesting rematch against CLU. I'm not selling CLU short. Chapman barely pulled away towards the end of the game in the first match up. This should be a great game!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on December 04, 2009, 01:03:52 AM
Oxy 93, La Sierra 76

Oxy had an easy time with La Sierra. In the first half, an 18-4 run gave the Tigers a 20-8 lead at 11:45, and a 13-4 stretch gave Oxy a 20-pt lead at 41-21 at 4:50. Oxy led 56-35 at the half. In the second half, LSU closed the gap to 8 at 61-53 at 12:25, but the Tigers scored the next 6 points and La Sierra didn't get closer than 10 after that. For Oxy, Deshun McCoy scored 26 and had 12 rebounds, Huston Conti had 22, and Jack Hanley had 20. For La Sierra, Miles Robbins scored 22, Laviel Pickett had 16, and Austin Doggette had 11.

Oxy is [EDIT] 4-1 and hosts Holy Names on Sunday at 3:00 p.m. La Sierra is 2-6 and is at Claremont on Saturday.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DIIIghetto on December 04, 2009, 01:05:00 PM
Oxy is developing (not sure where your 2nd loss comes from OB) and we need CLU to step up or I will jump on the Chapman for SCIAC bandwagon.  CMS & PP struggles now will hurt us in the SCIAC if they get it turned around.  From what I have seen, neither of them has a chance against a 1st or 2nd round game against the NWC.  Too early to see if CLU, Oxy or Whitter? could give them a run. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fhsutiger on December 04, 2009, 02:04:28 PM
Quote from: DIIIghetto on December 04, 2009, 01:05:00 PM
Oxy is developing (not sure where your 2nd loss comes from OB) and we need CLU to step up or I will jump on the Chapman for SCIAC bandwagon.  CMS & PP struggles now will hurt us in the SCIAC if they get it turned around.  From what I have seen, neither of them has a chance against a 1st or 2nd round game against the NWC.  Too early to see if CLU, Oxy or Whitter? could give them a run. 

Wow! I can't believe you are already throwing PP and CMS under the bus this early just because they lost against St. Olaf (CMS) and UCSC (PP). The last two years that we have had a SCIAC Championship, CMS and PP have played in both. To tell you the truth, I am actually glad you are overlooking them. They bring the most players back from last years teams, and probably bring back the most experience as well. Besides what Cal Lu is bring back this year, I don't see anyone deeper than CMS and PP. As for Oxy and Whittier, I see them both playing for the Fourth spot in the league. Oxy may contend, but I just haven't seen enough from them and it's still to early to put them in the top three. Sorry BOB!

I guess I just hope you continue to overlook the Stags (and it's hard for me to say this...but the hens as well), because it might come back to get you in the end. Scali has way to much experience coming back to let the Stags slip, be ready for them to start putting it together.

I'm looking forward to seeing what happens tonight (CLU vs. Chapman). My bet is Chapman gets beat, and everybody realizes that while Chapman is playing good right now, it is going to be an even field this year.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 05, 2009, 02:55:08 PM
No talk in here about Pomona-Pitzer beating Whitworth in the Gateway City last night?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on December 05, 2009, 04:48:10 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 05, 2009, 02:55:08 PM
No talk in here about Pomona-Pitzer beating Whitworth in the Gateway City last night?
Sounds good to me.  It will help the SCIAC SOS and may help shut up the Chapman guys.  :P
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on December 05, 2009, 05:56:19 PM
Gray Fox:

Actually anytime that a SCIAC team can win a game against a quality in region opponent it will help the weak schedule CU team with its SOS. So we should all hope that SCIAC teams keep winning all their non-conference games. Cheers!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldchap on December 05, 2009, 08:00:03 PM
Quote from: fhsutiger on December 04, 2009, 02:04:28 PM
I'm looking forward to seeing what happens tonight (CLU vs. Chapman). My bet is Chapman gets beat, and everybody realizes that while Chapman is playing good right now, it is going to be an even field this year.

I guess you lost your bet. Chapman beat CLU 52 to 45. CLU never led. And despite rallying late in the game from a 19 point deficit to bring it into single digit, Cal Lu never really challenged Chapman. I suspect that the Cal Lu guards generally shoot better than this, because I saw several uncontested 3 pointers reaming in and out, so in some ways, Chapman got a break. However, in the end it's clear that Chapman has the best team they've ever had in a long long time and unless they rest on their laurels now, they should have one of their best seasons and hopefully earn themselves a spot in the playoff.

Update on the Lee Fulmer Tournament:

Cal Lu was handed another hard defeat by the University of Redlands in the game for the third place by a score of 95 to 68. I wasn't at the game, but it looks like CLU continued to be cold from 3 pt range, connecting on only 2 of 15. Overall, they shot 21 of 55 (38%). The big surprise and maybe the revelation of this tournament is an excellent University of Redlands, which after a tough overtime loss in OT by only 3 points against an excellent George Fox, comes back to punish another excellent CLU team by more than 20 points. It looks like the SCIAC  Conference is wide open this year!!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TeeDub on December 06, 2009, 05:19:19 PM
I can't believe there isn't more chatter about the Redlands thumping of Cal Lu...
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldchap on December 06, 2009, 07:34:06 PM
Quote from: Jordis Rocks on December 06, 2009, 05:19:19 PM
I can't believe there isn't more chatter about the Redlands thumping of Cal Lu...


On a side note, during the George Fox vs. Redlands game, which GFU won in overtime, one of the players from Redlands took what appears to have been an intentional elbow to the temple from number 40 on the GFU team. The Redlands player appears to have gone unconscious from the direct hit and immediately fell to the floor with a loud thump. The game was stopped for nearly 30 minutes, the fire department was called in, and the player was whisked away still unconscious, on a stretcher with oxygen and IV. It was quite an impressive sight. Since the incident occured away from the play, none of the three refs ever saw what happened, so the game was allowed to continue as-is. Later on, officials reviewed a video of the game and ruled that it was an intentional elbow, therefore number 40 was suspended for the finals against Chapman.

Note that number 40 is a 6-7 250 lbs Junior post player and starter and also the second best scorer and top rebounder of the GFU team. Even though I believe they would have eventually prevailed in the end, to be fair Chapman would have had a much harder time and the result would have been a lot closer, had number 40 played in the Finals. (Chapman won that game 73-45).

I'm not sure which player got hurt in the Redlands team, but despite this very emotional and frightful injury to one of their players, they still managed to win against CLU by a wide margin. This speaks volume about their character. Good job Redlands!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on December 06, 2009, 08:19:15 PM
A player who throws an intentional elbow, away from play, that knocks out an opposing player, requiring the kind of medical attention you just described be permanently banned . . . at a minimum.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on December 06, 2009, 10:17:46 PM
Oxy 73, Holy Names 65

Finally got a chance to see Oxy play today against Holy Names University, an NAIA-2 team out of Oakland which plays in the California Pacific Conference with Menlo, Mills, Pacific Union, and others. Oxy started a couple of freshmen: Eric Leider is a 5'9" point guard from Las Vegas. He's a good ball handler and has a nice pull-up jumper. Deshun McCoy is a 6'4" forward out of Westchester High in Los Angeles, and was a standout member of WHS's Div. I California state high school championship team. McCoy was recruited by UCLA, which so far looks like they could have used him. Huston Conti is back at the 2 spot for the Tigers after spending a year abroad in France. First team all-SCIAC center Sean Anderson and second team all-SCIAC forward Jack Hanley rounded out Oxy's starting lineup.

As for the game, Oxy got off to a quick start and led 11-4 at 14:40, but HNU came back and led 28-23 before Oxy closed with an 8-2 run and led 31-30 at the half. In the second half Oxy led 43-37 and then went on a 13-4 run to open it up 56-43 at 9:10. The Tigers had a comfortable 15-point lead at 66-51 at 4:15, but Holy Names didn't give up, and closed to 68-65 with 28 seconds left. Leider and Conti put the game away for Oxy at the FT line, and the Tigers won their 5th straight.

For Oxy, Huston Conti led all scorers with 23, including 5-for-8 on 3-balls, plus 5 rebounds and 3 assists. Eric Leider had 19 points and 4 assists, and had 4 clutch FTs in the last 30 seconds to preserve the win. Sean Anderson had 12 points and 9 rebounds, Jack Hanley scored 10, and Deshun McCoy had 9. For Holy Names, Joshua Smith had 18 points and 10 rebounds, Johnas Street scored 12 points and had 6 rebounds, and David Scott had 10 points and 8 rebounds. The Hawks outrebounded Oxy 45-36, but the Tigers shot 48% from the floor compared to only 34% for HNU.

Oxy is 5-1. The Tigers have a very difficult task next Saturday when they travel to play at Cal State Fullerton.

Quote from: Jordis Rocks on December 06, 2009, 05:19:19 PM
I can't believe there isn't more chatter about the Redlands thumping of Cal Lu...

I thought CLU would dominate this season, but so far the Kingsmen are only 1-3. As for Redlands, they are putting up a lot of points so far, averaging 91 ppg. Traveling Freak Show, Jr.?

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TeeDub on December 07, 2009, 12:14:09 AM
Quote from: oldchap on December 06, 2009, 07:34:06 PM
Quote from: Jordis Rocks on December 06, 2009, 05:19:19 PM
I can't believe there isn't more chatter about the Redlands thumping of Cal Lu...


On a side note, during the George Fox vs. Redlands game, which UR won in overtime, one of the players from Redlands took what appears to have been an intentional elbow to the temple from number 40 on the GFU team. The Redlands player appears to have gone unconscious from the direct hit and immediately fell to the floor with a loud thump. The game was stopped for nearly 30 minutes, the fire department was called in, and the player was whisked away still unconscious, on a stretcher with oxygen and IV. It was quite an impressive sight. Since the incident occured away from the play, none of the three refs ever saw what happened, so the game was allowed to continue as-is. Later on, officials reviewed a video of the game and ruled that it was an intentional elbow, therefore number 40 was suspended for the finals against Chapman.

Note that number 40 is a 6-7 250 lbs Junior post player and starter and also the second best scorer and top rebounder of the GFU team. Even though I believe they would have eventually prevailed in the end, to be fair Chapman would have had a much harder time and the result would have been a lot closer, had number 40 played in the Finals. (Chapman won that game 73-45).

I'm not sure which player got hurt in the Redlands team, but despite this very emotional and frightful injury to one of their players, they still managed to win against CLU by a wide margin. This speaks volume about their character. Good job Redlands!

Fact checking:

1.  UR lost in overtime, thus the match up between G. Fox and Chapman
2.  G. Fox coach reviewed the video and suspended the player, not the officials.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TeeDub on December 07, 2009, 12:15:57 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on December 06, 2009, 10:17:46 PM

I thought CLU would dominate this season, but so far the Kingsmen are only 1-3. As for Redlands, they are putting up a lot of points so far, averaging 91 ppg. Traveling Freak Show, Jr.?

OxyBob

OB...don't worry, Mazarei graduated...
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldchap on December 07, 2009, 12:24:14 AM
Quote from: Jordis Rocks on December 07, 2009, 12:14:09 AM
Fact checking:

1.  UR lost in overtime, thus the match up between G. Fox and Chapman
2.  G. Fox coach reviewed the video and suspended the player, not the officials.


1. Sorry, you're right. My mistake. That's what I meant to write. I have corrected it in the original post.
2. The fact that the player had been suspended by tournament officials was entirely a speculation on my part. To me, it appeared to be the most plausible explanation. If what you say is true, then it is a rare occurence and a very commandable gesture from the GFU coach.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 07, 2009, 02:40:51 AM
Quote from: Jordis Rocks on December 07, 2009, 12:14:09 AM
2.  G. Fox coach reviewed the video and suspended the player, not the officials.


Glad you said this, because I was wondering what authority any officials had to do this.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: John Gleich on December 07, 2009, 10:43:33 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 05, 2009, 02:55:08 PM
No talk in here about Pomona-Pitzer beating Whitworth in the Gateway City last night?

I don't have anything to say about PP beating WW...  but I did catch their game against Wash U on the videocast Saturday night.

Despite the final outcome, PP looked pretty good for much of the first half.  I figured that the pace of the game wouldn't be sustainable for them... and I was right, but they hung with Wash U for 15 minutes.  The stretch where the pace really started to show was from about 5:45 to about 1 minute.  Wash U went 6/7 shooting, including 2 threes during this almost 5 minute stretch.  PP went 2/8 with a turnover, and suddenly, a 1 point game was an 11 point game.

Then Wash U hit their first 6 buckets of the half, and the 11 point game stretched to 18 (PP went 3/6).  Wash U made some defensive adjustments and took away the driving lanes, PP stopped hitting shots the same way they had early, and Wash U kept hitting.  The second half continued like this... and that was the story.

I was really impressed that PP took blow after blow from Wash U early and stuck with them.  The Bears hit 9/16 3's in the first half and started off the game 4/5.  PP held on to the ball pretty well... just 5 TO's, and Wash U scored off of 3 of those.  PP scored twice off of 3 WU TO's. 

I think this game really showed how good Wash U is.  Aaron Thompson had an off night, and they still won by 20+.

PP held strong and, despite the lobsided score at the end, still only had 8 turnovers.  They went cold from the field in the second half, otherwise they might have been able to make it a game.  If they can turn out a full game like that, then they might be a team who can score a few upsets and make some noise next March.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DIIIghetto on December 07, 2009, 11:56:32 AM
Ahh, the Hens give the SCIAC hope!  Nice work boys out there in St. Louie.  All if forgotten for the Slug spanking.  We look like we have a team that may be able to do some things in the tournament.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on December 08, 2009, 02:28:38 PM
The latest blog entry from Chapman's Justin Riley is posted (http://d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2009/12/08/insider-seeing-the-light/).
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fhsutiger on December 08, 2009, 05:36:58 PM
Big game for the STAGS tomorrow night vs. Chapman U. I look for the stags to really play good against a team that they haven't faced since the first game of the season last year. JR. Chris Blees is averaging (19.8 pts/10.6 rebs a game), and is having a great junior season. Sr. Mike Bagby is averaging (10.6 pts/3.2 rebs) and Jr. Patrick Lacey is starting to come on strong with (8.8 pts/5.8 rebs a game). Coming off the bench is Conner Faught, who's 3 point shooting can erupt at a moments notice is second on the team in scoring (12.4 pts a game). The Stags are a very deep team and look to still find there rhythm as a team this early in the season. Look for the stags to really give Chapman a game tomorrow night. I see this game coming down the last 2 minutes. Hopefully, my boys will come ready to compete and will give the SCIAC conference some much needed respect in the area. Good luck STAGS!

So how does everything think the outcome of tomorrow nights game will play out?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DIIIghetto on December 08, 2009, 05:46:49 PM
I think that your beloved Stags need to step up. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on December 09, 2009, 12:21:57 PM
Big game tonight in the OC

CMS (3-2) @ #12 Chapman (7-0)
730pm - Audio Available through Chapman's website.

Preview:

#12 Chapman comes in sky high after pummelling the competition and coasting through the Lee Fulmer tournament. They defeated UCSC, Chapman and George Fox all by double digits. They did it though suffocating D and punishing the opponents on the boards. They are led by the athletic and always active Justin Reilly (16ppg, 10rph) at PF and Kyle Wood at PG. They are solid all around with a long range gunner in Griffin Ramme, a bruiser inside in Kaiser, and Mr. Do Everything in Aguilar. They play a very controlled brand of basketball, running sets most possesions down to get them into their regular offense. Lots of high-low action as well as being relentless on the O-boards. On defense, they are primarily if not solely a man to man defense with agressive guards and well coached backside protection.

It seems like the Panters are out to prove a point this year, after they felt snubbed by the NCAA last March. They are always tough at home and it will prove to be a nice challenge for CMS.

CMS comes in at 3-2 off a somewhat lackluster win vs La Sierra. The most shocking thing about the Stags this year has been their defense. The biggest issue for the Stags continues to be containing guard penetration. They have been unable to stop quick point guards from getting into the key and either getting layups or setting up teammates with wide open looks. St Olaf's PG had a FIELD DAY vs the Stags, ripping them up for 30 points on only 9 shots. So, a key for the Stags will be to contain Wood, who has had his way with most opponents this year. The other battle will be greeting the Chapman post's early and often, and being physical vs the high-low. Offensively, the Stags have had no problem scoring. This will be put to the test against a physical Chapman D. They are led by Chris Blees, Connor Faught, Pat Lacey and Mike Bagby. They will need to all play well and more importantly play together. It will be a hostile environment, which should be a great time for both teams.

The last time the two met was the season opener of the 08-09 season. It was a tightly contested battle all game long, and if I remember correctly, neither team led by more than 8 the whole game. In the end, Chapman got thier hands on a loose ball when they were up 2 with a minute to go and their shot clock winding down and pushed thier lead to 4. They ended up winning the game, but that game actually helped the Stags down the road in SCIAC.

I look for a hotly contested game.

Here are some keys to the game for my STAGS
Contain Guard Penetration
Beat them on the Boards
Get out in Transition

Looking forward to a great game!


Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cmsme on December 09, 2009, 11:37:36 PM
I am trying to listen to the Chapman/CMS game, but something is wrong with audio and all i am getting is background noise.

Does anyone know anything?

I heard CMS was ahead by 10 somewhere in the middle of 2nd half, but i am not sure. 
Champan said that they would archive the audio so we could at least listen later.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cmsme on December 09, 2009, 11:52:58 PM
I heard by e mail that Claremont beat Chapman by one point.
Must have been a very exciting game.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on December 10, 2009, 12:02:39 AM
Stags won by 1, 57-56.

I was getting updates from some people in the stands.

Sounded like a great finish. Stags were up 7 with 3minutes to go. Chapman staged a furious rally, and actually took the lead with about 40 seconds to go. Then, I guess Shane Davis got a putback to put the Stags back up 1 with 20 seconds. Stags had a big defensive stand to win the game!!!

Lots of things make this sweet for the Stags:
  Beating a ranked team
  Winning AT Chapman
  Did it without 2 STARTERS (Toney and Bagby)
  Back to STAG D (56pts given up)

Can't wait to talk to the guys and hear what they have to say.

GREAT WIN for the STAGS!!!!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fhsutiger on December 10, 2009, 10:54:54 AM
Quote from: stag44 on December 10, 2009, 12:02:39 AM
Stags won by 1, 57-56.

I was getting updates from some people in the stands.

Sounded like a great finish. Stags were up 7 with 3minutes to go. Chapman staged a furious rally, and actually took the lead with about 40 seconds to go. Then, I guess Shane Davis got a putback to put the Stags back up 1 with 20 seconds. Stags had a big defensive stand to win the game!!!

Lots of things make this sweet for the Stags:
  Beating a ranked team
  Winning AT Chapman
  Did it without 2 STARTERS (Toney and Bagby)
  Back to STAG D (56pts given up)

Can't wait to talk to the guys and hear what they have to say.

GREAT WIN for the STAGS!!!!

I couldn't be any happier for Scali and the boys for their win at Chapman last night. Since I couldn't be there last night, I had a wonderful assistant coaches wife sending me updates of the game. She probably was the same person giving updates to my great friend up in the NYC.

Attached is a recap of last nights game: 

http://chapman.prestosports.com/sports/mbkb/2009-10/news/1209

As Stag44 said earlier, it was really good to see that Stags came ready to play and were able to come out of there with a win without two starters. (My sources tell me that Mike Bagby seperated his shoulder in practice earlier in the week, and Jason has a bad ankle sprain). I am really happy to see Shane Davis grow up into the player we all knew he could be when he was recruited three years. Great job Shane, your hard work has really paid off. I was very suprised this morning when I saw the boxscore and noticed Chris Blees line (6pts, 4 rebs), but after talking to the coaching staff, Chris's presence on the defensive end helped the stags get the victory.

Well, finally now I hope all of you who were writing the Stags off after their loss to St. Olaf realize how much potential is on this team. The Stags are a very deep team, with a lot of experience who I believe will be a force in the SCIAC this year. Great job guys, and lets keep this thing going. The Stags return to action Saturday night vs. Hope International at Ducey Gym at 7:30.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldchap on December 10, 2009, 05:45:21 PM
Quote from: stag44 on December 10, 2009, 12:02:39 AM
Stags won by 1, 57-56.


I was at the game and here is my totally biased opinion of what happened:

For some reason, and you could see it in their eyes, many Chapman players "looked" a little wary at the start of the game. Maybe subconsciously they were thinking about the possibility of losing such a highly charged game. When you and people around you place so much expectations on your performance, you start second-guessing yourself. And obviously, with a 7-0 start, you start feeling like you have something to lose, as the other team coming into the game feels they have nothing to lose and everything to gain.

In any case, the game started with a series of missed shots on both side. However, Chapman continued to miss as eventually CMS' shots started falling. Claremont took a commanding lead during the first half, with continued poor shooting from the Chapman squad. Chapman eventually found the bottom of the nets about three quarters through the first half and managed to tie the game shortly after. The rest of the first half finished with both teams essentially trading baskets and a 31-31 half time score. The only redeeming chance Chapman had during the first half was that the entire team was only sanctioned for 3 fouls against about 12 or so fouls for CMS. The imbalance was so pronounced that some CMS parents were getting pretty obnoxious versus the refs. In fact, what was keeping Chapman in the game was the number of free throws they were converting, because their shooting from the floor was pretty dismal.

The second half started just as badly for Chapman as the first half did: few turnovers but a lot of missed shots. However this time, I don't know if the refs felt they needed to compensate or it just happened that way but Chapman accumulated many fouls in a span of less than 5 minutes. As the second half was unfolding and CMS was slowly pushing their lead to 12 points, you could see that they had the mental edge over Chapman that night. They were relentless and never once did they slack off or let their guard down in defense. Chapman on the other hand was making things difficult for themselves. Sure the CMS defense was good, but it wasn't incredible by any stretch of the imagination. Nonetheless, Chapman either missed obvious open looks, or made bad shot selections because they were frantic and unsettled. Finally, towards the end of the game (around the 3 minute mark) did Chapman find their poise again, which allowed them to make some critical baskets and forced some turnovers in order to bring the score to within striking distance. With their calm finally back, they took a one point lead with 40 seconds left. But on the next possession, CMS responded and retook the lead.

With 20 seconds left, both coaches called timeout, one after the other. It was Chapman's ball and plenty of time to score or get fouled and make free throws. With CMS being up by only a point, clearly Chapman had a really good chance to win. However, they fell back into their frantic ways once again, lost a little bit of their composure and missed a hotly contested layup. The ball came out with one second left on the clock. It was Chapman's ball again, but even the "catch and shoot" they worked out during the ensuing timeout didn't even work. The inbound pass was actually intercepted by CMS for the win.

Overall, it was Chapman's poor shooting that did them in. I'm sure some of you will argue, but in my opinion, they were simply off that night, not so much because CMS played such an amazing defense on them but because of their lack of confidence. Sure, the CMS team is no slouch when it comes to defense, but nothing out of the ordinary. No, I think that Chapman beat themselves by too many individual plays, poor shot selection and just plain missed open looks. I believe the statistics speak for themselves: 4 assists only for the entire game, as they averaged almost 10 per game so far before this game; both of our sharp shooters from 3 point range were 1 for 7, as they were about 40% + in the first 7 wins of the season; yet Chapman turned over the ball only 10 times the entire game. Despite all of this, Chapman lost by a simple missed basket, overall not that bad all things considered.

If Chapman wants to be a believable contender for the playoffs, they need to continue playing with the poise, focus, calm and strength of character they are known to have in normal circumstances. This is what allows them to make their shots and create such suffocating defense that other teams choke. That's what they showed during the first seven games of the season, with critical wins (by a wide margin I might add!) against excellent teams such as CLU, Pomona-Pitzer and Elmhurst.

The next few games for Chapman (especially Redlands and Whittier) will make or break their season. I know that they have the maturity to rebound and the coaching staff is well seasoned to guide them towards helping them regain their confidence.

.... One more thing: Congratulations to the Stags for this excellent win. You deserve it. And just know that we are now officially rooting for you to win the SCIAC Conference. Don't disappoint us!!  :) ...This way we can have our revenge when we meet in the first round of the playoffs...  ;D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on December 11, 2009, 08:19:24 AM
Quote from: oldchap on December 10, 2009, 05:45:21 PM
Quote from: stag44 on December 10, 2009, 12:02:39 AM
Stags won by 1, 57-56.


I was at the game and here is my totally biased opinion of what happened:

For some reason, and you could see it in their eyes, many Chapman players "looked" a little wary at the start of the game. Maybe subconsciously they were thinking about the possibility of losing such a highly charged game. When you and people around you place so much expectations on your performance, you start second-guessing yourself. And obviously, with a 7-0 start, you start feeling like you have something to lose, as the other team coming into the game feels they have nothing to lose and everything to gain.

Sure the CMS defense was good, but it wasn't incredible by any stretch of the imagination. Nonetheless, Chapman either missed obvious open looks, or made bad shot selections because they were frantic and unsettled.

With 20 seconds left, both coaches called timeout, one after the other. It was Chapman's ball and plenty of time to score or get fouled and make free throws. With CMS being up by only a point, clearly Chapman had a really good chance to win. However, they fell back into their frantic ways once again, lost a little bit of their composure and missed a hotly contested layup. The ball came out with one second left on the clock. It was Chapman's ball again, but even the "catch and shoot" they worked out during the ensuing timeout didn't even work. The inbound pass was actually intercepted by CMS for the win.

Overall, it was Chapman's poor shooting that did them in. I'm sure some of you will argue, but in my opinion, they were simply off that night, not so much because CMS played such an amazing defense on them but because of their lack of confidence. Sure, the CMS team is no slouch when it comes to defense, but nothing out of the ordinary. No, I think that Chapman beat themselves by too many individual plays, poor shot selection and just plain missed open looks. I believe the statistics speak for themselves: 4 assists only for the entire game, as they averaged almost 10 per game so far before this game; both of our sharp shooters from 3 point range were 1 for 7, as they were about 40% + in the first 7 wins of the season; yet Chapman turned over the ball only 10 times the entire game. Despite all of this, Chapman lost by a simple missed basket, overall not that bad all things considered.

If Chapman wants to be a believable contender for the playoffs, they need to continue playing with the poise, focus, calm and strength of character they are known to have in normal circumstances. This is what allows them to make their shots and create such suffocating defense that other teams choke. That's what they showed during the first seven games of the season, with critical wins (by a wide margin I might add!) against excellent teams such as CLU, Pomona-Pitzer and Elmhurst.

The next few games for Chapman (especially Redlands and Whittier) will make or break their season. I know that they have the maturity to rebound and the coaching staff is well seasoned to guide them towards helping them regain their confidence.

.... One more thing: Congratulations to the Stags for this excellent win. You deserve it. And just know that we are now officially rooting for you to win the SCIAC Conference. Don't disappoint us!!  :) ...This way we can have our revenge when we meet in the first round of the playoffs...  ;D

Great Post OldChap, but I do have a couple of points and disagreements.

I do agree that while the STAG D may not be where it was in the 06-07 season (Where we were #1 in total D, scoring D, and #3 in FG percentage D), in talking with the guys, this was their sole focus of the night. The BEST defense, personally, isn't the one that is creating steals and visible to the crowd, but rather the one that is UNAFRAID and THRIVES when they play for all 35 seconds and force a shot that is out of rythm. From your explaination, that seems to be the D the stags played. For one thing, to force Wood to shoot 20 times, means either Wood was out to prove a point, or the Stags forced alot of situations where the PG had to shoot, either late in the shot clock, or because all other options were closed down.

Don't get me wrong, Chapman is a VERY talented team and their coach is EXCELLENT, but they HAVE TO run the table to consider going to the tournament. It will be very difficult to justify their bid unless they have no bad losses. Lets be honest, the NCAA has a severe east coast bias, primarily because of the concentration of teams out there, and there are AT MOST 3 teams that will represent the ENTIRE west coast. So, if either the SCIAC or NWC has 2 bid, Chapman may squeeze in with a bid and create at 4 team regional, but the NCAA would rather have play-in game on the west.

Regardless, at the end of the day its pretty simple: The stags won. They did it on the road. They did it shorthanded. They did it against a clown referee crew. Basically, the Stags came in with a goal and took care of business.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on December 11, 2009, 09:52:07 AM
Quote from: stag44 on December 11, 2009, 08:19:24 AM
Great Post OldChap, but I do have a couple of points and disagreements.

Was that a post or War and Peace? Geez, I'd guess that it was longer than the entire CMS-CU game.

CMS won. Chapman lost. End of analysis. Just another basketball game in a continuing series. Time for the next game.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fhsutiger on December 11, 2009, 10:24:57 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on December 11, 2009, 09:52:07 AM
Quote from: stag44 on December 11, 2009, 08:19:24 AM
Great Post OldChap, but I do have a couple of points and disagreements.

Was that a post or War and Peace? Geez, I'd guess that it was longer than the entire CMS-CU game.

CMS won. Chapman lost. End of analysis. Just another basketball game in a continuing series. Time for the next game.

OxyBob

Hear...Hear....Let's stop talking about Chapman!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on December 11, 2009, 10:34:17 AM
Quote from: fhsutiger on December 11, 2009, 10:24:57 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on December 11, 2009, 09:52:07 AM
Quote from: stag44 on December 11, 2009, 08:19:24 AM
Great Post OldChap, but I do have a couple of points and disagreements.

Was that a post or War and Peace? Geez, I'd guess that it was longer than the entire CMS-CU game.

CMS won. Chapman lost. End of analysis. Just another basketball game in a continuing series. Time for the next game.

OxyBob
Hear...Hear....Let's stop talking about Chapman!
Gotta rep the stags, but I agree, time to stop chattering about Chapman.. they have the independents thread thats so popular..

Looking forward, Stags have 3 GSACs games coming up. I know Scali does it for the competition among other reasons, but it also would be nice to get some D3 east coast powers coming to our place during winter to get exposure and good D3 record. Regardless, Hope Concordia and PLNU will provide STIFF challenges for the Stags..

EDITED to discombobulate the quote
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on December 11, 2009, 12:32:59 PM
Quote from: fhsutiger on December 11, 2009, 10:24:57 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on December 11, 2009, 09:52:07 AM
Quote from: stag44 on December 11, 2009, 08:19:24 AM
Great Post OldChap, but I do have a couple of points and disagreements.

Was that a post or War and Peace? Geez, I'd guess that it was longer than the entire CMS-CU game.

CMS won. Chapman lost. End of analysis. Just another basketball game in a continuing series. Time for the next game.

Hear...Hear....Let's stop talking about Chapman!

The SCIAC season is like a wall in our living room. On it we have pictures of our family -- CMS, Pomona, Whittier, Oxy, UR, CIT, ULV, and CLU. Each new season we take the pictures down and repaint the wall. But before we paint we have to fill in the nail holes with some nonconference games before the SCIAC season begins. So, basically, Chapman is Spackle.

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Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fhsutiger on December 11, 2009, 12:45:44 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on December 11, 2009, 12:32:59 PM
Quote from: fhsutiger on December 11, 2009, 10:24:57 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on December 11, 2009, 09:52:07 AM
Quote from: stag44 on December 11, 2009, 08:19:24 AM
Great Post OldChap, but I do have a couple of points and disagreements.

Was that a post or War and Peace? Geez, I'd guess that it was longer than the entire CMS-CU game.

CMS won. Chapman lost. End of analysis. Just another basketball game in a continuing series. Time for the next game.

Hear...Hear....Let's stop talking about Chapman!

The SCIAC season is like a wall in our living room. On it we have pictures of our family -- CMS, Pomona, Whittier, Oxy, UR, CIT, ULV, and CLU. Each new season we take the pictures down and repaint the wall. But before we paint we have to fill in the nail holes with some nonconference games before the SCIAC season begins. So, basically, Chapman is Spackle.

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When do we Start!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on December 11, 2009, 01:29:00 PM
Quote from: stag44 on December 11, 2009, 10:34:17 AM
Looking forward, Stags have 3 GSACs games coming up. I know Scali does it for the competition among other reasons, but it also would be nice to get some D3 east coast powers coming to our place during winter to get exposure and good D3 record. Regardless, Hope Concordia and PLNU will provide STIFF challenges for the Stags

Since 2002, CMS is 6-13 against the GSAC, with three wins against Hope International, two against Point Loma, and one against Westmont. Good SCIAC teams always have a shot against Hope, Vanguard, San Diego Christian, and sometimes Point Loma, but the other 7 GSAC teams not so much. As for Concordia, they're 10-0 and ranked No. 2 in NAIA-1. It would be a major achievement for CMS to beat the Eagles.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldchap on December 11, 2009, 01:31:28 PM
Quote from: stag44 on December 11, 2009, 08:19:24 AM
Great Post OldChap, but I do have a couple of points and disagreements.

Since I appear to have overstayed my welcome on this particular forum I will make it brief. Stag44, let's just agree to disagree. I'm looking forward to a rematch in (hopefully) the first round of the playoffs.

Quote from: stag44 on December 11, 2009, 08:19:24 AM
Regardless, at the end of the day its pretty simple: The stags won. They did it on the road. They did it shorthanded. They did it against a clown referee crew. Basically, the Stags came in with a goal and took care of business.

One point though: in a basketball argument, never, ever bring up the refs. These refs were no better and no worse than your average D3 refs, made good calls as well as plenty of mistakes, but over the course of the entire game, the errors they made fell on both sides. A coach once told me: "in order to win a game, you have to be so much superior to the other team that even bad calls won't change the final result".

Quote from: OxyBob on December 11, 2009, 12:32:59 PM
The SCIAC season is like a wall in our living room. On it we have pictures of our family -- CMS, Pomona, Whittier, Oxy, UR, CIT, ULV, and CLU. Each new season we take the pictures down and repaint the wall. But before we paint we have to fill in the nail holes with some nonconference games before the SCIAC season begins. So, basically, Chapman is Spackle.

OxyBob

That Chapman spackle on your wall must have looked pretty darn ugly last year, that Oxy this year decided to go for the much better looking and easier to paint over, spackle from the likes of West Coast Baptist and American Sports University AND La Sierra...
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 11, 2009, 01:55:35 PM
Quote from: stag44 on December 11, 2009, 08:19:24 AMDon't get me wrong, Chapman is a VERY talented team and their coach is EXCELLENT, but they HAVE TO run the table to consider going to the tournament. It will be very difficult to justify their bid unless they have no bad losses. Lets be honest, the NCAA has a severe east coast bias, primarily because of the concentration of teams out there, and there are AT MOST 3 teams that will represent the ENTIRE west coast. So, if either the SCIAC or NWC has 2 bid, Chapman may squeeze in with a bid and create at 4 team regional, but the NCAA would rather have play-in game on the west.

That "East Coast bias" thing is a myth, stag44. The D3 Championships Committee hews pretty closely to the five primary criteria outlined in the handbook:

QuoteThe primary criteria emphasize regional competition (all contests leading up to NCAA
championships); all criteria listed will be evaluated (not listed in priority order).
•  Win-loss percentage against regional opponents.
•  Strength-of-schedule (only contests versus regional competition).
- Opponents' Average Winning Percentage (OWP).
- Opponents' Opponents' Average Winning Percentage (OOWP).
[See Appendix B for explanation of OWP and OOWP calculations.]
•  In-region head-to-head competition.
•  In-region results versus common regional opponents.
•  In-region results versus regionally ranked teams.

SCIAC and NWC teams are considered for Pool C berths upon the same criteria as the at-large teams in other parts of the country. And Chapman is considered for a Pool B berth upon the same criteria as well, except that the Panthers' competition is against the likes of Maryville, Nebraska Wesleyan, Rust, St. Joe's of Brooklyn, etc.

The West Coast has never had five teams in the tournament because the West Coast has never earned five teams in the tournament via the stated criteria in the handbook.

Quote from: stag44 on December 11, 2009, 10:34:17 AMLooking forward, Stags have 3 GSACs games coming up. I know Scali does it for the competition among other reasons, but it also would be nice to get some D3 east coast powers coming to our place during winter to get exposure and good D3 record. Regardless, Hope Concordia and PLNU will provide STIFF challenges for the Stags..

No! You don't want "East Coast powers" coming to SoCal during winter! Well, it might be nice to see the likes of Williams or Amherst or F&M just for competition's sake, but the snowbirds that you should want to see coming to SoCal every winter are the midwest powers: WIAC teams, CCIW teams, top-tier MIAC, MWC, NAthC, or IIAC teams, etc. Those are the teams who count in terms of the five primary criteria I quoted above, because they -- and not the East Coast teams -- count as in-region games. Any game played against a team from the NCAA's administrative Region 4 -- which includes Illinois, Wisconsin, Iowa, and Minnesota -- counts as in-region for a SCIAC, NWC, or West Coast indie team.

In short ... the snowbirds that count are the ones from the midwestern prairie, not the ones from the eastern seaboard.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on December 11, 2009, 02:11:07 PM
Quote from: oldchap on December 11, 2009, 01:31:28 PM
That Chapman spackle on your wall must have looked pretty darn ugly last year, that Oxy this year decided to go for the much better looking and easier to paint over, spackle from the likes of West Coast Baptist and American Sports University AND La Sierra...

Chapman schedule:

Jan. 6 Caltech
Jan. 11 West Coast Baptist
Jan. 13 La Sierra
Jan. 24 La Sierra
Feb. 6 La Sierra
Feb. 19 West Coast Baptist

And don't forget the two games against 0-5 Southwestern College.

Circle Jan. 23 vs. UDallas. Try not to F it up this time.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 11, 2009, 02:28:49 PM
Quote from: stag44 on December 11, 2009, 08:19:24 AM
Don't get me wrong, Chapman is a VERY talented team and their coach is EXCELLENT, but they HAVE TO run the table to consider going to the tournament. It will be very difficult to justify their bid unless they have no bad losses.

One other thing: Chapman is in much, much better shape than you think. The Panthers are not only 7-1 overall, they're 7-1 in-region. Of the nine other teams that are listed as independents here (http://www.d3hoops.com/conference/IND/mens), not a single one of them has a winning in-region record. Rust, which is 2-2, is the next-closest competitor among the indies.

Chapman, which has twelve in-region games left (LaVerne, Redlands, @ Whittier, @ Caltech, three against La Sierra and two against UC-Santa Cruz, the aforementioned game against Dallas whose outcome last year gave OxyBob no end of delight, and the end-of-season indie tourney at UCSC), is thus very much in the driver's seat for a Pool B bid. Barring an epic collapse by the Panthers, this will be the season in which they finally get a ticket to the dance.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on December 11, 2009, 03:07:07 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 11, 2009, 02:28:49 PM
Quote from: stag44 on December 11, 2009, 08:19:24 AM
Don't get me wrong, Chapman is a VERY talented team and their coach is EXCELLENT, but they HAVE TO run the table to consider going to the tournament. It will be very difficult to justify their bid unless they have no bad losses.

One other thing: Chapman is in much, much better shape than you think. The Panthers are not only 7-1 overall, they're 7-1 in-region. Of the nine other teams that are listed as independents here (http://www.d3hoops.com/conference/IND/mens), not a single one of them has a winning in-region record. Rust, which is 2-2, is the next-closest competitor among the indies.

Chapman, which has twelve in-region games left (LaVerne, Redlands, @ Whittier, @ Caltech, three against La Sierra and two against UC-Santa Cruz, the aforementioned game against Dallas whose outcome last year gave OxyBob no end of delight, and the end-of-season indie tourney at UCSC), is thus very much in the driver's seat for a Pool B bid. Barring an epic collapse by the Panthers, this will be the season in which they finally get a ticket to the dance.

So if things go as planned then, it will probably be SCIAC vs Chapman in a first round game with the NWC getting a bye and playing the winner?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 11, 2009, 03:34:22 PM
Quote from: stag44 on December 11, 2009, 03:07:07 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 11, 2009, 02:28:49 PM
Quote from: stag44 on December 11, 2009, 08:19:24 AM
Don't get me wrong, Chapman is a VERY talented team and their coach is EXCELLENT, but they HAVE TO run the table to consider going to the tournament. It will be very difficult to justify their bid unless they have no bad losses.

One other thing: Chapman is in much, much better shape than you think. The Panthers are not only 7-1 overall, they're 7-1 in-region. Of the nine other teams that are listed as independents here (http://www.d3hoops.com/conference/IND/mens), not a single one of them has a winning in-region record. Rust, which is 2-2, is the next-closest competitor among the indies.

Chapman, which has twelve in-region games left (LaVerne, Redlands, @ Whittier, @ Caltech, three against La Sierra and two against UC-Santa Cruz, the aforementioned game against Dallas whose outcome last year gave OxyBob no end of delight, and the end-of-season indie tourney at UCSC), is thus very much in the driver's seat for a Pool B bid. Barring an epic collapse by the Panthers, this will be the season in which they finally get a ticket to the dance.

So if things go as planned then, it will probably be SCIAC vs Chapman in a first round game with the NWC getting a bye and playing the winner?


I'd say that that's one of five likely scenarios:

* SCIAC Pool A vs. Chapman on Thursday at either school, winner @ NWC Pool A on Saturday (three teams, one flight)
* NWC Pool A vs. Chapman, NWC Pool B vs. SCIAC Pool A on Friday, @ either NWC Pool A or SCIAC Pool A (four teams, two flights)
* NWC Pool A vs. SCIAC Pool B, Chapman vs. SCIAC Pool A on Friday, @ NWC Pool A, SCIAC Pool A, or Chapman (four teams, two flights)
* NWC Pool A vs. Chapman, NWC Pool B vs. SCIAC Pool A on Friday, @ NWC Pool A, SCIAC Pool A, or Chapman (four teams, two flights)
* NWC Pool A, Chapman, SCIAC Pool A, and a fourth team from the other side of the Rockies on Friday, @ either Chapman or SCIAC Pool A (four teams, two flights)

I know that Chapman isn't too popular a program amongst you SCIAC types, but the Panthers are actually doing your league a favor on a couple of levels. One, their improved competitiveness and gaudy in-region record enhances your teams' strength of schedule; two, a Pool B bid for the Panthers drastically improves the possibility that there will be tournament basketball played in southern California in March due to the NCAA's maniacal insistence upon cutting down travel costs.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 11, 2009, 03:39:16 PM
I noticed that Whittier gave undefeated (and fifth-ranked in NAIA-1) Biola a good game last night in Biola's gym. Biola won, 77-66, and led the entire game, but the Poets had the Eagles' lead down to seven points with a minute and change remaining. The Eagles ended the game with their starters still on the floor. Seems to me that that's a pretty good performance for what must've been a seriously outmanned Whittier team.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on December 11, 2009, 04:54:22 PM
Thanks for all that analysis Greg!! As a player, I really didnt delve too deeply into the background of NCAA selection, and just always thought the NCAA was anti-CMS (I was marred by the 05-06 OXY-CMS debacle).
Really appreciate it though, looking forward to having CMS host this year!

Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 11, 2009, 03:39:16 PM
I noticed that Whittier gave undefeated (and fifth-ranked in NAIA-1) Biola a good game last night in Biola's gym. Biola won, 77-66, and led the entire game, but the Poets had the Eagles' lead down to seven points with a minute and change remaining. The Eagles ended the game with their starters still on the floor. Seems to me that that's a pretty good performance for what must've been a seriously outmanned Whittier team.

Looking at Whittier's roster it looks like Rock just reloaded them. They have a kickback from The Master's (NAIA-1) in Menez, and got Perry back from injury. It was surprising to see them receiving votes on the polls, but it seems like thier pre-season play merits it. It will be interesting once conference rolls around though and teams can gameplan and scout. Whittier always seems to finish middle of the pack and is good for 1 or 2 upsets or unexpeceted wins.

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on December 11, 2009, 04:59:18 PM
Quote from: stag44 on December 02, 2009, 11:58:29 PM
Lets not get started on the NCAA debacle in the 05-06 year.

Quote from: stag44 on December 11, 2009, 04:54:22 PM
(I was marred by the 05-06 OXY-CMS debacle)

Bitterness, thy name is CMS.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on December 11, 2009, 05:19:54 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on December 11, 2009, 04:59:18 PM
Quote from: stag44 on December 02, 2009, 11:58:29 PM
Lets not get started on the NCAA debacle in the 05-06 year.

Quote from: stag44 on December 11, 2009, 04:54:22 PM
(I was marred by the 05-06 OXY-CMS debacle)

Bitterness, thy name is CMS.

OxyBob

haha, it still stings... i feel the worst for Taylor and Parsons though..
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 11, 2009, 05:36:42 PM
Quote from: stag44 on December 11, 2009, 04:54:22 PMIt was surprising to see them receiving votes on the polls, but it seems like thier pre-season play merits it.

I hate to sound like a broken record:

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... but it's non-conference, not preseason. ;)


Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cmsme on December 11, 2009, 09:29:00 PM
Regarding the "War and Peace" postings--I appreciate them.  I like the longer, more analytical posting instead of the one line zingers. 
Its interesting knowing how teams qualify for the play offs, and how the defense is doing.  I can't see or hear, so I appreciate the details. 
And why isn't Chapman part of the league?  They seem like family.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on December 12, 2009, 12:26:46 PM
Quote from: cmsme on December 11, 2009, 09:29:00 PM
And why isn't Chapman part of the league?  They seem like family.

From my understanding, some of the reason stems from their academic standards. I know the SCIAC has some academic baselines that all teams must have for incoming students, and I THINK that Chapman may come up short in some of them.

Also, there's always talk of swapping CalTech for Champan to make conference more competitive, but I don't think the ADs have ever come to a decision that would do that. The SCIAC changed about 15 or so years ago by adding CLU who was NAIA before that.

Even though they are not a part of our conference, they more or less do play everyteam in SCIAC in almost every sport during our NON-conference (for you Gregory Sager).
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CMSfan on December 12, 2009, 02:57:05 PM
Quote from: stag44 on December 12, 2009, 12:26:46 PM
From my understanding, some of the reason stems from their academic standards. I know the SCIAC has some academic baselines that all teams must have for incoming students, and I THINK that Chapman may come up short in some of them.

I don't know all that much about the history of SCIAC or why Chapman isn't a part of the conference.  I do know that Chapman's academic standards have risen quite a bit in recent years, and that they are certainly on par with some SCIAC schools in terms of the profile of incoming students.  There may be other academic factors at play, of course, but I can't speak to that...
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on December 12, 2009, 04:20:32 PM
La Sierra will get in ahead of Chapman.  They are more in line size-wise than Chapman, and it would give a team for Cal Tech to fight it out with for the cellar.

I would like to thank all you Chapman guys for your various postings for helping me to think this through to the only logical conclusion.   :-*
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldchap on December 12, 2009, 06:43:48 PM
Quote from: cmsme on December 11, 2009, 09:29:00 PM
Regarding the "War and Peace" postings--I appreciate them.  I like the longer, more analytical posting instead of the one line zingers. 

cmsme, Thank you for the vote of confidence! I am definitely a Chapman fan, however I make every effort in my posts to be as objective as a fan can be and to remain civil and to be a good citizen of this blog. I usually don't get a lot of love because I'm not part of the SCIAC family, but I'm a big boy and I can take the heat.

Speaking of family, thank you for suggesting that Chapman should be part of the SCIAC. I don't have first hand knowledge of why Chapman, which fully deserve in my opinion to be part of this fine conference, isn't part of it. However I have heard what the Chapman coaching staff has said about it and what their opinion is, therefore I have some ideas.

According to the coaching staff, Chapman made two formal demands to be part of the SCIAC. The first one occurred a while back, exactly when I don't know, but it must have been more than 10 years ago. The second was more recent. The SCIAC committee turned down both requests, the first time because they said Chapman was too small and the second time because it was too big. Now, I can understand why you wouldn't want a school with more than 4,000 students compete in a league where the average is less than half of that. But both statements may point to the fact that the SCIAC just doesn't want Chapman, period. Some people at Chapman rightfully think that's because it would take away a chance at the playoffs for some of the schools which regularly win the Conference (CMS, Oxy, PP), due to the fact that most years, Chapman is competitive enough that they would end up in the top 4 with a decent shot at winning it.

I'm sure I'm going to get a lot of heat for these comments but being an Independent, especially on the West Coast, is really tough. You have to scramble each year to fill your season with meaningful games, you have to balance your strength of schedule with a good winning percentage without necessarily knowing in advance which teams are going to be good, and you can't have a bad game the entire season. Meanwhile, Conference teams don't want to play against you during their Conference play, making the entire exercise all that much more difficult.

Last point: Is Chapman being not "academic" enough the main reason it can't be part of the SCIAC? While Occidental College, Caltech and Pomona-Pitzer have very stringent admission criteria and usually make little or no exception for their athletes, CLU, Redlands, Whittier and La Verne, while worthwhile institutions are on par or possibly worse than Chapman when it comes to selectivity. A quick look at admission statistics will tell you that.  So this argument doesn't hold water.

It would make definite sense to see Chapman part of the SCIAC. However, it is unfortunately not its decision.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 12, 2009, 06:54:17 PM
The obvious solution is to find four more schools that are willing to go through the D3 admission process and form a new league based around the current California D3 indie trio of UC-Santa Cruz, Chapman, and La Sierra. The most logical new recruit would be Southwestern. Although it's a pain to include a school that's located in Phoenix in a California-based conference, the Eagles do sponsor nine varsity sports, so they're close to qualifying for the D3 minimum of ten. Southwestern joined the NAIA this year, and is competing as an independent in NAIA Division II in basketball.

Southwestern's currently a member of the Pacific Christian Athletic Conference, a barely-there league that consists of a handful of evangelical schools located up and down the West Coast that really don't seem to play anything besides volleyball and basketball. Their ranks include another familiar face to D3's Cali indies, West Coast Baptist, which only sponsors men's and women's basketball and women's volleyball and is thus not a likely candidate for D3 membership.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on December 13, 2009, 02:51:51 AM
Eyewitness report from Fullerton:

Cal State Fullerton 97, Oxy 59

Cal State Fullerton, which has a double overtime win against UCLA at Pauley Pavilion this season, dispatched Oxy with ease. The operative word that comes to mind is "too" -- too big, too quick, too fast, too much.

In the first half, after Deshun McCoy's jumper cut the lead to 9-5 at 15:50, CSUF ran off 13 points in 4 minutes and led 22-5. Jack Hanley made a jumper and Sean Anderson hit 2 FTs to get Oxy back to 27-12, but Fullerton scored the next 11 to make it 38-12, and the Titans finished of the half with another 11-0 run and led 58-19 at the half. Fullerton just couldn't miss; the Titans shot 70% on 21-for-30 FGs, including 15-for-20 on 3-balls.

In the second half, Oxy held its own against the Fullerton non-starters, winning the half 40-39.

For Oxy, Eric Leider played an outstanding game against the bigger and quicker CSUF guards, scoring 16 on 6-for-12 FGs and 4-for-6 on 3s, plus 3 rebounds and 2 assists. Jack Hanley found his outside shooting touch with 16 points on 6-for-9 FGs and 2-for-2 on 3-balls. Deshun McCoy scored 14 points and grabbed 9 rebounds. After shooting only 32% in the first half, the Tigers picked it up and shot 52% in the second half, including 7-for-10 on 3s.

Oxy is now 5-2, while Cal State Fullerton improved to 4-3.

It gets no easier for Oxy next week, as SMU, coached by former UNC standout Matt Doherty, will be in Rush Gymnasium on Dec. 19 at 2:00 p.m.

Quote from: CMSfan on December 12, 2009, 02:57:05 PM
I don't know all that much about the history of SCIAC or why Chapman isn't a part of the conference. 

Every year the same discussion. It doesn't matter why Chapman is not in the SCIAC. Who knows and who cares. Fact is, Chapman is not in the SCIAC and is never going to be in the SCIAC, so the Chapman fans can stop speculating why they're not in the SCIAC. Too bad so sad bye bye already.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on December 13, 2009, 12:57:49 PM
I saw SMU play their first game of the season.  It has been a few years since I've been to one of their games.  They are bigger and stronger than what I remember, but at least they won't be the threat with the three point shots that CSUF was.

http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/smu/sports/m-baskbl/auto_pdf/cumulative-stats.pdf

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on December 13, 2009, 02:08:28 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on December 13, 2009, 12:57:49 PM
I saw SMU play their first game of the season.  It has been a few years since I've been to one of their games.  They are bigger and stronger than what I remember, but at least they won't be the threat with the three point shots that CSUF was.

SMU has Myles Luttman, a 6'11" junior transfer from San Diego City College, Tomasz Kwiatkowski, a 7'1" junior from Poland, Papa Dia, a 6'9" junior from Senegal, Mouhammad Faye, a 6'9" senior from Senegal by way of Georgia Tech, and Robert Nyakundi, a 6'8" redshirt sophomore from Arlington, to go along with a couple of 6'4" and 6'5" guards. It'll be a challenge for Oxy, to say the least.

Quote from: OxyBob on December 11, 2009, 01:29:00 PM
Quote from: stag44 on December 11, 2009, 10:34:17 AM
Looking forward, Stags have 3 GSACs games coming up. I know Scali does it for the competition among other reasons, but it also would be nice to get some D3 east coast powers coming to our place during winter to get exposure and good D3 record. Regardless, Hope Concordia and PLNU will provide STIFF challenges for the Stags
Since 2002, CMS is 6-13 against the GSAC, with three wins against Hope International, two against Point Loma, and one against Westmont. Good SCIAC teams always have a shot against Hope, Vanguard, San Diego Christian, and sometimes Point Loma, but the other 7 GSAC teams not so much.

Claremont 75, Hope International 63 Final
Chris Blees 22 pts and 12 rebs, Patrick Lacey 15, Connor Faught 12

Nice win for D-III over NAIA-1.

Meanwhile, in other SCIAC vs. GSAC action...

Biola 53, Pomona 38 Final
Justin Sexton 11 pts and 7 rebs
9-0 Biola only shot 40%, but the Sagehens only shot 32.6% and made only 14 shots, 7 of which were made by Sexton and Donald Okpalugo.

Azusa Pacific 93, Redlands 75 Final
Matt Dietrich 12, Justin Sobczyk and Andrew Maertens 11 each, Andrew Mills 10 pts and 9 rebs.

And in other action...

Chapman barely hung on and beat La Verne 64-63.

Cal Lutheran beat La Sierra 89-65. Six players in double figures for CLU.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on December 13, 2009, 05:40:26 PM
SMU won the ConferenceUSA last year, but didn't make the NCAA tourney.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldchap on December 13, 2009, 06:54:56 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on December 13, 2009, 02:08:28 PM

Claremont 75, Hope International 63 Final
Chris Blees 22 pts and 12 rebs, Patrick Lacey 15, Connor Faught 12

Nice win for D-III over NAIA-1.

Chapman barely hung on and beat La Verne 64-63.

OxyBob

Here is what OxyBob wrote about Chapman's victory last year against Vanguard, a team every bit as good as and arguably better than Hope International:

Quote from: OxyBob on February 20, 2009, 10:48:48 AM
Congratulations on another meaningless win against one of the crappy GSAC teams.

OxyBob

Chapman beat both Vanguard and Hope last year, yet they were "crappy" teams. This year, one win for Claremont against one of these "crappy" teams is considered a "nice" win.

As for Chapman win yesterday against La Verne, here is what OxyBob said about CMS previous win by one point against Chapman:

Quote from: OxyBob on December 11, 2009, 09:52:07 AM
CMS won. Chapman lost. End of analysis. Just another basketball game in a continuing series. Time for the next game.

OxyBob

Couldn't have said it better myself.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on December 13, 2009, 08:58:07 PM
Ooh, that OxyBob is just downright unfair!  He's just a meanie!(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.smileyvault.com%2Falbums%2Fuserpics%2F10001%2Fthumbdown-smiley.gif&hash=bea53a986dc6e660c2dc900332c9a559d9b77fa8)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldchap on December 13, 2009, 11:02:41 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on December 13, 2009, 08:58:07 PM
Ooh, that OxyBob is just downright unfair!  He's just a meanie!(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.smileyvault.com%2Falbums%2Fuserpics%2F10001%2Fthumbdown-smiley.gif&hash=bea53a986dc6e660c2dc900332c9a559d9b77fa8)

hahaha... Nope. I swore I wouldn't let him get away with anything. Besides, the two of us are best buddies. It's just downright fun to trade barbs with such a witty guy like him.  ::)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on December 14, 2009, 10:08:22 PM
Chapman was named to the list of top universities in the nation by U.S. News & World Report and the Princeton Review, Chapman University enrolls more than 6,000 undergraduate, graduate and law student.

http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/orange-ca/chapman-university-1164

http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/masters-west-uc-rank

http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/compare/items+1131+1133+1164+1216+1342
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on December 15, 2009, 08:53:11 AM
Quote from: CrashDavisD3 on December 14, 2009, 10:08:22 PM
Chapman was named to the list of top universities in the nation by U.S. News & World Report and the Princeton Review, Chapman University enrolls more than 6,000 undergraduate, graduate and law student.

To be accurate, according to U.S. News & World Report, Chapman ranked No. 9 among Master's Universities in the West:

QuoteMaster's universities, such as Drake and Gonzaga, offer a full range of undergrad programs and some master's programs but few doctoral programs. These rankings are split into four regions: North, South, Midwest, and West.

This placed Chapman behind Redlands, which ranked No. 7 on the list (CLU is ranked No. 18). Redlands also ranked No. 7 on another USN&WR list: "A+ Options for B Students: Master's Universities West." (http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/a-plus-masters-west-rankings) By that standard I guess that makes Chapman a B+ option for C students.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cmsme on December 16, 2009, 12:13:43 AM
He may be mean, but he sure is funny.

Any insights into the CMS Concordia game? 
I looked at some of the Concordia players' profiles, and they were all planning to be professional basketball players after they graduated.
Does CMS have a chance?  ARe they healthy?

I saw Concordia is ranked #2 in the NAIA.  Is NAIA somewhere between Division 1 and Division 3?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldchap on December 16, 2009, 12:55:15 AM
Quote from: cmsme on December 16, 2009, 12:13:43 AM
I saw Concordia is ranked #2 in the NAIA.  Is NAIA somewhere between Division 1 and Division 3?

NAIA Division I is as close as you can get to Division II basketball, although there are varying degrees of strenth. In Southern California, NAIA DI features the GSAC Conference, which is constituted mostly of private Colleges and Universities with a strong religious affiliation (Christian). The best teams in this Conference, typically Biola, Concordia, Fresno Pacific or Azusa Pacific could easily compete in NCAA DII or even in lower NCAA DI. The lower tier such as Hope International or San Diego Christian are just as good as the top tier of the DIII SCIAC teams.

In my opinion, CMS would have a real hard time to say the least against Concordia. So would most DIII teams, except maybe for teams ranked in the top 5 right now. If CMS wins, Concordia either played their bench or you guys are going undefeated in the SCIAC.

Look at it this way, it's great experience and Coach Scalmanini has it right in preparing the team by playing these guys. It's gutsy but I salute that. Last year, Chapman played an exhibition game against NCAA DI Sacramento State and it was a very memorable experience for the boys.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on December 16, 2009, 02:49:34 AM
Quote from: cmsme on December 16, 2009, 12:13:43 AMIs NAIA somewhere between Division 1 and Division 3?
There is a thread that tracks D3 performance against the NAIA schools as well as all other non-D3 schools, by classification.  You might want to visit it to get a sense of how we stack up against these other divisions. 
D3 vs. D1/D2/NAIA/NCCAA (http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=1167.msg1150677#msg1150677)

And you could visit NAIA.org (http://naia.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/naia-m-baskbl-body.html) to get a sense of how NAIA differs from NCAA, conceptually.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on December 16, 2009, 11:27:32 AM
Quote from: cmsme on December 16, 2009, 12:13:43 AM
Any insights into the CMS Concordia game? I looked at some of the Concordia players' profiles, and they were all planning to be professional basketball players after they graduated. Does CMS have a chance?  ARe they healthy?

I have followed the GSAC for over 30 years. It's an outstanding basketball conference. I may be wrong, but I am pretty sure that no SCIAC team has defeated Concordia, Biola, The Master's, or Azusa Pacific in the past 20 years and maybe longer. I believe the SCIAC has an overall winning record against Hope International, and SCIAC teams get an occasional win against Vanguard, Point Loma, Fresno Pacific, and Westmont.

It would be a fantastic win for CMS is they defeated Concordia, but don't hold your breath.

Quote from: oldchap on December 16, 2009, 12:55:15 AM
Last year, Chapman played an exhibition game against NCAA DI Sacramento State and it was a very memorable experience for the boys.

One memorable game vs. Sacramento State = Five unmemorable games vs. La Sierra

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on December 16, 2009, 12:20:46 PM
UCLA beat Concordia 62-61 in an exhibition game this year.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldchap on December 16, 2009, 02:32:21 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on December 16, 2009, 11:27:32 AM
One memorable game vs. Sacramento State = Five unmemorable games vs. La Sierra

OxyBob

Continue to hate all you want. That's OK. Chapman last year went 8-0 against the SCIAC, including a win against the Conference Champion CMS AT Claremont,  AND beat Vanguard AT Vanguard by a margin of 13 points. They certainly don't have anything to be ashamed of.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on December 16, 2009, 02:49:00 PM
Quote from: oldchap on December 16, 2009, 02:32:21 PM
Chapman last year went 8-0 against the SCIAC

Last year's over. Rather than posting here, wouldn't your time be better spent trying to scrounge up a few games for Chapman?

Here, I think these guys are looking for D-III opponents:

http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=6738.msg1149857#msg1149857

Call Joe Pasternack at (504) 280-7024.

You're welcome.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on December 16, 2009, 03:35:15 PM
With Regard to the CMS-Concordia game:

In my 4 years, this was by far and away the toughest team we played. The biggest issue and thier biggest strength is their Defense. In both games we played against them, they took it from our lead guard (Jason Toney one year, and Austin Soldner the other) at least 4 times in the backcourt with just superior guard quickness and lateral ability. They are usually 8-10 deep playing suffocating man to man defense. IF you can withstand thier intial pressure, though, there are layups available everywhere. But, they speed you up and force SO many turnovers.

Oxybob, I know that CMS beat Concordia sometime in Bob Donlan's career. Its a story that I've heard from multiple people in the Stag family about. Apparently Donlan absolutely took over the game in the second half, scoring somewhere close to 30 points in the game and bring the stags back from over 10 down in the second half AT concordia for the win. Scali, always mentions that the next year they came into Ducey and whooped us by 40+.
http://www.cuieagles.com/f/Mens_Basketball_History%7CGame-By-Game_History/2001-02.php


I also know that in the 04-05 year we ended up only losing to Concordia by 3 or 4. That game, from what the players tell me, was all about Josh Zazulia. He was injured his entire career at CMS, but i guess displayed what made him all-state in CA during HS in that game.

I know that in a scrimmage this year vs Cal Poly Pomona (D2, National runner-ups last year), CMS lost by 5. It will be an absolutely MASSIVE upset for the Stags to pull this off. The game plan will be simple though: dont lose the ball and control tempo. If they can keep the game in the 60s, they have a chance.

This was always an extremely difficult game because Exams week just finishes, so there are limited practices and preparation for this game, and to be quite honest you're just mentally drained from the week.

As for the Stags health, it will probably be a gametime decision. I do have to say though, Shane Davis has more than held his own in place of J-tone. I couldnt be happier for a guy like Shane- always came to play everyday in practice and trained extremely hard in the offseason, and now its paying off. Losing Bagby moved Faught into the starting lineup, and provided minutes for Beau Heidrich as well as Alex Smith and Bryant Oberg, all filling in extremely well.

I look for a good game between the two, and another big time game from Blees. The STAGS HAVE to be patient and get to the Rim agains the Eagles. If they can build foul count, slow the game with stops in action, and stay under 18 TOs, it should remain competitive.

Looks like the SCIAC will be a one-bid conference this year, and the winter break is when the contenders REALLY get better!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on December 16, 2009, 05:06:58 PM
Quote from: stag44 on December 16, 2009, 03:35:15 PM
Oxybob, I know that CMS beat Concordia sometime in Bob Donlan's career. Its a story that I've heard from multiple people in the Stag family about. Apparently Donlan absolutely took over the game in the second half, scoring somewhere close to 30 points in the game and bring the stags back from over 10 down in the second half AT concordia for the win. Scali, always mentions that the next year they came into Ducey and whooped us by 40+.

I stand corrected. CMS has had some success against Concordia:

08-09  Concordia 95 CMS 74
06-07  Concordia 77 CMS 56
04-05  Concordia 80 CMS 74
02-03  Concordia 97 CMS 49
01-02  CMS 90 Concordia 85
00-01  Concordia 66 CMS 63
99-00  CMS 76 Concordia 68
98-99  CMS 78 Concordia 63
97-98  Concordia 64 CMS 53
96-97  Concordia 87 CMS 67

Good luck to the Stags against the Eagles in the Temple of Doom this Saturday.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on December 17, 2009, 01:53:45 AM
Eyewitness report from Pasadena:

North Park 75 Caltech 41 Final

Good game for the first 14 minutes. It was tied 19-19 but North Park scored 13 straight to lead 32-19, and it was 35-25 at the break. The Vikings led 44-30 at 17:40, and then went on a 16-2 run over the next 7 minutes and it was 60-32 and game over. North Park ended the game with a 13-2 spurt to make the final 75-41.

For CIT, Ryan Elmquist scored 16 and Mike Edwards had 10. For North Park, Shaun Collins had 14, Emmanuel Crosby had 12 points and 10 rebounds, Nick Williams scored 13, and Nick Hoekstra had 10.

Caltech is 0-6 and plays Pacific at Cal Lutheran this Saturday at 1:00 p.m. North Park is 5-4 and plays at Whittier on Saturday at 8:00 p.m.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on December 17, 2009, 08:39:18 PM
And Oxy plays Div. I SMU on Saturday at 2:00 p.m. in Rush Gym . . . come one, come all.

Here is the preview:

http://www.oxyathletics.com/sports/mbkb/2009-10/news/121609mbb_SMU_Preview
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on December 17, 2009, 10:18:55 PM
Quote from: Sabretooth Tiger on December 17, 2009, 08:39:18 PM
And Oxy plays Div. I SMU on Saturday at 2:00 p.m. in Rush Gym . . . come one, come all.

Thanks for the heads up:

Quote from: OxyBob on December 13, 2009, 02:51:51 AM
It gets no easier for Oxy next week, as SMU, coached by former UNC standout Matt Doherty, will be in Rush Gymnasium on Dec. 19 at 2:00 p.m.

Quote from: OxyBob on December 13, 2009, 02:08:28 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on December 13, 2009, 12:57:49 PM
I saw SMU play their first game of the season.  It has been a few years since I've been to one of their games.  They are bigger and stronger than what I remember, but at least they won't be the threat with the three point shots that CSUF was.

SMU has Myles Luttman, a 6'11" junior transfer from San Diego City College, Tomasz Kwiatkowski, a 7'1" junior from Poland, Papa Dia, a 6'9" junior from Senegal, Mouhammad Faye, a 6'9" senior from Senegal by way of Georgia Tech, and Robert Nyakundi, a 6'8" redshirt sophomore from Arlington, to go along with a couple of 6'4" and 6'5" guards. It'll be a challenge for Oxy, to say the least.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on December 18, 2009, 07:30:04 PM
Like the purpose of that post was to fill you in . . .  ::) ::) ::) ::)

Merely a reminder to those who don't have the Oxy hoops schedule indelibly ingrained.  You seem awfully cranky lately . . . more so than normal . . . must be that law practice thing?   ;)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on December 19, 2009, 08:35:54 PM
Eyewitness report from Eagle Rock:

SMU 77 Oxy 49 Final

D-I Southern Methodist made a stop in LA on their way to a tournament in Hawaii and took on Oxy in Rush Gymnasium. Never let it be said that Oxy didn't lead in the game, as the Tigers were up 6-2 at 14:40. SMU only led 17-14 at 7:55, but the Mustangs turned up their press and smothering defensive pressure and a 19-4 run made it 36-18 at 1:50, and Mike Walker's long 3-ball gave SMU a 43-22 halftime lead. Oxy played SMU even for the first 8-1/2 minutes of the second half and trailed 52-32, but the Tigers got stuck on 32 and 13 SMU points later it was 65-32. Huston Conti's 3-pointer finally broke the dry spell, and Oxy was able to outscore SMU 14-12 the rest of the way to make the final score 77-49.

For Oxy, Sean Anderson held his ground with SMU's big men, and led all scorers with 16 points plus 6 rebounds and 2 steals. Jake Copithorne played an outstanding game off the bench subbing for Anderson with 7 points and 6 rebounds, and boxed out nicely against SMU's much taller front court players. Deshun McCoy had 7 points and 5 rebounds. Jack Hanley had 6 points, a couple of rebounds and 6 assists. Oxy hurt themselves offensively with some poor 3-point shooting, hitting only 3-for-16, and for the game Oxy only shot 35% FGs on 20-for-57. For SMU, Rodney Clinkscales came off the bench red hot and really hurt the Tigers with 15 points in 12 minutes, including 4-for-5 on 3-balls.

Oxy is now 5-3. Next up for the Tigers is a game @ La Sierra on Dec. 30, and Oxy plays Ripon on New Year's Eve @ Concordia-Irvine, before coming home to play Emerson on Jan. 4.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on December 20, 2009, 01:53:27 AM
Saturday scoreboard:

UC Santa Cruz 67, Cal Lutheran 65
Concordia-Irvine 76, Claremont 55
Albion 58, La Verne 48
North Park 89, Whittier 80
Pacific 80, Caltech 43

Redlands was idle. Chapman could not have played today because Pomona played La Sierra.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pineconefan on December 20, 2009, 01:03:47 PM
Who won the UCSC-CLU game?  The SCIAC and D3hoops.com sites show CLU won by two.  But I've heard other reports, including Bob's, that UCSC won.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on December 20, 2009, 01:49:10 PM
Quote from: pineconefan on December 20, 2009, 01:03:47 PM
Who won the UCSC-CLU game?

The Slugs won...

http://www.clusports.com/stats/mens_basketball/2009_2010/ucsc-clu.htm

QuoteAfter a second half that featured 10 lead changes and was tied on five separate occasions the Cal Lutheran men's basketball team fell 67-65 against UC Santa Cruz at home on Saturday afternoon. The Banana Slugs scored the game-winning basket with 1:29 left in the game.

UCSC's Brent Jacobs dunked the ball after an offensive rebound to break the tie at the 1:29 mark. Out of a timeout CLU set up Aaron Fisher who could not connect. After a stop on the defensive end the Kingsmen ran a play for Kyle Knudsen in three-point range but missed.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TeeDub on December 20, 2009, 06:18:26 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on December 20, 2009, 01:53:27 AM
Saturday scoreboard:

UC Santa Cruz 67, Cal Lutheran 65
Concordia-Irvine 76, Claremont 55
Albion 58, La Verne 48
North Park 89, Whittier 80
Pacific 80, Caltech 43

Wow...not a good day for the SCIAC!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on December 20, 2009, 06:42:01 PM
Quote from: Jordis Rocks on December 20, 2009, 06:18:26 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on December 20, 2009, 01:53:27 AM
Saturday scoreboard:

UC Santa Cruz 67, Cal Lutheran 65
Wow...not a good day for the SCIAC!

CLU bounced back today and beat Pacific 71-62.

CLU: Kyle Knudsen 38 pts (14-for-18 FGs, 6-for-8 3s, 4-for-6 FTs), Aaron Van Klaveren 12 pts and 11 rebs
Pacific: Jonathan Jury 18, LeMar Anglin 13, Ross Bartlett 11
Halftime: Pacific 34-30
Rebounds: 27-27
Records: CLU 4-4, Pacific 4-5

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldchap on December 21, 2009, 02:01:45 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on December 20, 2009, 01:53:27 AM
Redlands was idle. Chapman could not have played today because Pomona played La Sierra.

OxyBob

These two teams weren't idle tonight. Chapman got the better of Redlands by a score of 76 to 57. Chapman is now 9-1, having lost to Claremont only by one point, and seriously eyeing a post-season bid.

I don't even have to say a peep about OxyBob's jabs, Chapman's record speaks for itself.... :P

Quote from: Jordis Rocks on December 20, 2009, 06:18:26 PM
Wow...not a good day for the SCIAC!

I guess not!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on December 21, 2009, 02:36:50 AM
Quote from: oldchap on December 21, 2009, 02:01:45 AM
I don't even have to say a peep about OxyBob's jabs

That'll be the day. You can't ignore me. My will is too strong. Of course, you could always go back to the "West Region Independent Schedule" board and listen to the reverberating echo.

Good luck down the road during that upcoming tough stretch against Caltech, West Coast Baptist, La Sierra, UDallas, La Sierra (again), Southwestern, Southwestern (again) and La Sierra (again).

Chapman's schedule speaks for itself.

By the way, Hoops Unlimited (http://www.hoopsunlimited.com) is always looking for teams for their 5-on-5 men's league.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldchap on December 21, 2009, 03:27:04 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on December 21, 2009, 02:36:50 AM

Good luck down the road during that upcoming tough stretch against Caltech, West Coast Baptist, La Sierra, UDallas, La Sierra (again), Southwestern, Southwestern (again) and La Sierra (again).

Chapman's schedule speaks for itself.

OxyBob

I wouldn't throw this rock if I were you!! So far, with wins against West Coast Baptist (twice), American Sports University and La Sierra, the record of your friends at Occidental looks mighty impressive. By the way, they have another tough matchup at La Sierra coming up (again!), right before New Year's Eve. After this one, your boys might not be able to stay up till midnight on the 31st...
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on December 24, 2009, 03:19:42 PM
Congratulations to tigersports!  He was quoted today on the front page of the LA Times sports section about his frustration with all the Angels' personnel changes to date.

I am in complete agreement with him. :)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: NY24 on December 27, 2009, 07:16:02 PM
What 3-5 colleges are most like Oxy in terms of bball skill level in the west?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on December 27, 2009, 09:03:29 PM
Quote from: NY24 on December 27, 2009, 07:16:02 PM
What 3-5 colleges are most like Oxy in terms of bball skill level in the west?
I think this poster is a potential recruit based on his posts elsewhere.  So give him an honest answer.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on December 28, 2009, 06:50:16 AM
Quote from: NY24 on December 27, 2009, 07:16:02 PM
What 3-5 colleges are most like Oxy in terms of bball skill level in the west?


In the SCIAC, the conference where Oxy plays, there are arguably a top 4 schools that seem to compete for the title most years: Oxy, Claremont-Mudd-Scripps, Pomona-Pitzer and Cal Lutheran.

Each play very controlled games predicated on ball movement and solid defense. All the Coaches at these 4 schools have been around for 10+ years at their respective schools. Going back the last 6 years, the NCAA bids from the SCIAC have gone solely to these schools.

Along with these, there is Chapman. They are and independent school that would compete for the SCIAC title if they were a part of the conferences. Again, a long tenured coach in a program centered around suffocating defense and controlled offense.

For a more free-flowing style of play in Souther California you have the likes of Redlands, La Verne and Whittier. For the most part recently, those schools have struggled to crack the top-tier of league (Whittier finished 2nd last year and Redlands finished 2nd in 06-07)
They are far more offensive minded teams with talent, but not necessarily the best coaching.

All these schools are pretty good options, and depending on what you are looking for education-wise they all provide solid degrees. To be quite honest, I think alot of it comes down to campus visits and meeting the team. While D-3 is competitive and the best choice I made looking back, at the end of the day your experience is defined more by the players you play with and the relationships built with teammates and your overall liking of the college you attend.

Hope this helps!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldchap on December 28, 2009, 01:16:16 PM
Quote from: NY24 on December 27, 2009, 07:16:02 PM
What 3-5 colleges are most like Oxy in terms of bball skill level in the west?

Stag44's answer is pretty complete, but let me chime in if I may.

First, in my opinion (and this is only an opinion), the style of play at Pomona-Pitzer is more free flowing than what Stag44 described. Coach Kat has his players move in and out of their respective positions and you can see a 3 or even a 4 with good ball handling bring the ball up the court as well as non guards take long range jumpers. He also believes in pushing the ball up the court quickly, even if it results in a non set play. Generally, they are an excellent three-point shooting team, but of course as you know "you live at the three point line but you also die there".

As for Claremont, the coach generally looks for "tough minded" players. He will favor a player who fights for every ball, isn't afraid to throw himself on the floor to try and grab a loose ball, as opposed to a more "finesse" player, even if the latter has better skills.

Finally, and I know a little more about this one, Coach Bo at Chapman believes in extreme discipline. He wants every play to be run through a half court offense, unless the players have an obvious breakaway. Each player is given stringent rules about when and where they can shoot on the floor, so that every shot is either high percentage or an uncontested jumper. Finally, he is obsessed with defense. He will give more minutes to a good defender with average shooting abilities rather than the other way around.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fhsutiger on December 28, 2009, 02:27:13 PM
Quote from: oldchap on December 28, 2009, 01:16:16 PM
Quote from: NY24 on December 27, 2009, 07:16:02 PM
What 3-5 colleges are most like Oxy in terms of bball skill level in the west?

Stag44's answer is pretty complete, but let me chime in if I may.

First, in my opinion (and this is only an opinion), the style of play at Pomona-Pitzer is more free flowing than what Stag44 described. Coach Kat has his players move in and out of their respective positions and you can see a 3 or even a 4 with good ball handling bring the ball up the court as well as non guards take long range jumpers. He also believes in pushing the ball up the court quickly, even if it results in a non set play. Generally, they are an excellent three-point shooting team, but of course as you know "you live at the three point line but you also die there".

As for Claremont, the coach generally looks for "tough minded" players. He will favor a player who fights for every ball, isn't afraid to throw himself on the floor to try and grab a loose ball, as opposed to a more "finesse" player, even if the latter has better skills.

Finally, and I know a little more about this one, Coach Bo at Chapman believes in extreme discipline. He wants every play to be run through a half court offense, unless the players have an obvious breakaway. Each player is given stringent rules about when and where they can shoot on the floor, so that every shot is either high percentage or an uncontested jumper. Finally, he is obsessed with defense. He will give more minutes to a good defender with average shooting abilities rather than the other way around.

I will start off by saying your best bet is to find a school where you know you can succeed not only on the basketball court, but you can succeed after basketball is over. I believe the Claremont Colleges, and being Bias of course, I think CMS is your best bet. Not only will you have a coach who will push you on the basketball court mentally and physically, but will also prepare you for your future. I have known Coach Scalmanini for a couple of years now, and there is nobody around who will help you prepare for life after basketball. I have talked to many Alumni and they have told me that Coach Scalmanini was the best thing that ever happened to them. They all had JOBS before they graduated, and through his ability to push you off the court as well as on the court, you are prepared to go into the working world.

As for the basketball aspect of CMS, old chap is right in a lot of ways. Coach Scalmanini generally looks for tough minded players, but he also enjoys players who have a love for the game and a will to succeed. Stag teams usually are very tough on the defensive side of the court and usually rank high in Div. III in overall defense every year. Believe me when I say that every team in the SCIAC hates playing the Stags because they know they will get beat up on the defensive end and will have to play defense on the other end. I also have to throw this in as well. The stags have finished in the top 4 the last couple of years that I can remember finishing first 2 out of the last 4. We have WON the SCIAC Championship and SCIAC tournament out-right last year. You couldn't pick a better place to play and go to school than CMC, and you won't find a better human being and coach then Coach Scalmanini.

Good luck on your search!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DIIIghetto on December 28, 2009, 03:37:21 PM
You see all of the reasons to attend CMS.  If what they describe is appealing, CMS would be a good fit. 

Here are some other thoughts from someone who has been a SCIAC fan for decades:

a.  Pomona is the best school.  Full of top prep school kids; strong east coast feel.

b.  Claremont is a great school.  Full of determined, government and business majors.  Historically has been  one of the few real liberal arts republican leaning campuses. 

c.  Oxy is the next best school. 

d.  All 3 of those schools send graduates on to great places in life.  Undoubtedly, the other SCIAC schools do too, it is just that Oxy, Pomona & Claremont have been doing so for longer.

e.  The only two SCIAC teams to have had any meaningful success outside of the SCIAC are Oxy & Cal Lu.  And I only put Cal Lu in there because they had the great W against Wisconsin Stevens Point.   Oxy beat a #1 Amherst a few years ago.  Oxy's postseason success is all the more noticeable because Pomona & Claremont have punched so many more tickets to the Dance but have consistently come back with 1 and dones.  Claremont & Pomona have not yet figured out a way to crack the national cookie.  If you go to the SCIAC you have to deal with the reality that you will get a ****ty seed and will play a tough team on the road in front of a real crowd.   Frankly, until D3hoops started, there was no way for SCIAC fans like me to start calling this out in any meaningful way.    Bottom line, the SCIAC needs more players and coaches with chips on their shoulders for those non-southland games.   I have said for years that if Amherst & Williams can compete for national championships, the SCIAC can too.

f.  Oxy has a pipeline to Europe.  If you are looking to play overseas, Coach Newhall has sent by far the most of his own players over there (even helping out other top SCIAC players). 

g.  Hard to gauge Oxy at this point because all of its losses have come from D1s and one of LA's best NAIA teams.  They don't look deep but never do because Oxy likes to play 7 or 8 guys only.  Chances are, the SCIAC will be a dogfight with a ton of parity.

h.  Whittier looks very interesting.  Could this be the year for them?  I would say no.  Scali owns them and historically, Cal Lu, PP & Oxy also find ways to beat excellent talent at Whittier.



g. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on December 28, 2009, 03:39:50 PM
Quote from: NY24 on December 27, 2009, 07:16:02 PM
What 3-5 colleges are most like Oxy in terms of bball skill level in the west?

Quote from: fhsutiger on December 28, 2009, 02:27:13 PM
We have WON the SCIAC Championship and SCIAC tournament out-right last year.

What is the only SCIAC school which has achieved a perfect 14-0 conference record and made the NCAA Elite 8? Oxy.

What SCIAC team defeated Claremont in the NCAA playoffs in 2005-2006? Oxy.

What SCIAC team won the conference championship in 2006-2007 and went to the NCAA playoffs? Oxy.

What SCIAC team defeated Pomona in the NCAA playoffs in 2007-2008? Oxy.

Ignore those CMS honks. The answer is Oxy, my friend, Oxy.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on December 28, 2009, 04:34:51 PM
Quote from: DIIIghetto on December 28, 2009, 03:37:21 PM
a.  Pomona is the best school.  Full of top prep school kids; strong east coast feel.

b.  Claremont is a great school.  Full of determined, government and business majors.  Historically has been  one of the few real liberal arts republican leaning campuses. 

c.  Oxy is the next best school. 

d.  All 3 of those schools send graduates on to great places in life.  Undoubtedly, the other SCIAC schools do too, it is just that Oxy, Pomona & Claremont have been doing so for longer.
I think you may be overlooking the 3,000 pound Beaver in the room.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: NY24 on December 28, 2009, 04:35:50 PM
Sorry
I don't know about "the beaver"...help me
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on December 28, 2009, 04:41:57 PM
I refer to Caltech, which is not an answer to your original question (about comparable basketball skill level to Oxy; Caltech sucks at basketball, in case you haven't heard) but which certainly belongs on if not atop a list of the top academic schools in the SCIAC (indeed, the world).
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on December 28, 2009, 04:48:57 PM
Quote from: NY24 on December 28, 2009, 04:35:50 PM
I don't know about "the beaver"...help me

Try this:

"Can I buy you another drink?"

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on December 28, 2009, 04:53:15 PM
D3 hoops beaver jokes begin and end with CCNY:
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fathletics.internetconsult.com%2Fsidearm_files%2Flogos%2Fcunyac%2Fccny_logo.gif&hash=1ced4774f33e4555e14b09d178c9b0627773916e)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldchap on December 28, 2009, 07:20:28 PM
I used restraint in regards to selling one's school, but since everyone is going all out, allow me to make my pitch.

Chapman isn't one of those top rated liberal arts college such as Pomona, Claremont, or Occidental. If these schools are rated as "most selective" by US News and World Report (they are ranked in the top 10 nationwide), Chapman is neverthelss considered a "more selective" school, with an average HS GPA of 3.7 and average SAT nearing the 1800 for the most recent entering freshman class.

A big difference is the fact that Chapman is twice as big as the other SCIAC schools and unlike these other schools, features a Law School as well as a fairly decent range of Master's programs. For instance, you can get your MBA in 5 years, fresh out of high school, something you couldn't do at a liberal arts College. It also has one of the best film schools in the nation, often cited along with the likes of USC and UCLA.

Chapman is located in beautiful downtown Orange, a quaint little town in the middle of an affluent and business oriented County, a stone throw away from Disneyland and centrally located to anywhere you want to go in Southern California: the beach, the mountains, downtown, San Diego, airports, etc. It is one of the fastest growing University in California. Some people even claim that Chapman is on its way to become the "USC of Orange County", as it grows and attracts more students from out of state.

In terms of basketball, Chapman isn't part of the SCIAC conference, but the reason we often post in this forum is because, as part of the Independents, we play close to half our games against SCIAC schools. Watch as I'm going to get pummeled by the fans here, but in some ways we feel we're part of the SCIAC family....  ;D

If you're looking for a smaller, highly academic liberal arts College, then any of the above mentioned schools are awesome choices. If you're looking for more of a University feel, with a decent size student population, yet still retaining the personal attention with an average size class of 20 to 30, then check out Chapman.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fhsutiger on December 28, 2009, 07:38:26 PM
Quote from: oldchap on December 28, 2009, 07:20:28 PM
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Chapman is located in beautiful downtown Orange, a quaint little town in the middle of an affluent and business oriented County, a stone throw away from Disneyland and centrally located to anywhere you want to go in Southern California: the beach, the mountains, downtown, San Diego, airports, etc. It is one of the fastest growing University in California. Some people even claim that Chapman is on its way to become the "USC of Orange County", as it grows and attracts more students from out of state.

In terms of basketball, Chapman isn't part of the SCIAC conference, but the reason we often post in this forum is because, as part of the Independents, we play close to half our games against SCIAC schools. Watch as I'm going to get pummeled by the fans here, but in some ways we feel we're part of the SCIAC family....  ;D

Does that mean Chapman is going to start getting repremanded by the NCAA for recruiting problems. Are we going to see an OJ Mayo type incident at Champan in the near future. HMMMMMMM?

Something to think about...........
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fhsutiger on December 28, 2009, 07:51:45 PM
NY24...to be real honest...it really comes down to this.

When picking a school, it really comes down to these 6 things:

1. Do you like the Coach! Does his style fit your style?
2. Would I enjoy playing with the guys they have returning on the team.
3. Do the Facilities meet my needs?
4. Am I going to get a good education, and have a job ready for me when I am ready to graduate.
5. Is there any HOT girls at the College?

(CMS is 4-1 I believe when it come to girl to guy ratio, heck...you have an all-girls college just footsteps away)

Am I missing anything?

Take these 5 questions and if you can answer them, and you are happy with your results...then you have your college. Good Luck!

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on December 28, 2009, 08:18:48 PM
Quote from: fhsutiger on December 28, 2009, 07:38:26 PM
Does that mean Chapman is going to start getting repremanded by the NCAA for recruiting problems. Are we going to see an OJ Mayo type incident at Champan in the near future. HMMMMMMM?

That's less of a concern for a recruit than the requirement that all basketball players at Chapman must serve a 4-year mission, which means dedicating a specific amount of time going from college-to-college while begging opposing coaches to play Chapman. Most Chapman basketball missions are for the purpose of scrounging up games, but there are many other ways one can serve as a Chapman basketball missionary, including welcoming La Sierra players, coaches and fans when they come to play at Chapman four or five times every season.

Chapman basketball missionaries always work together in pairs, and follow specific mission rules and guidelines. Chapman basketball missionaries have an important message to share with those who will let them into their gyms and offices and listen: "Play us. PLEASE play us!"

A full-time Chapman basketball mission is served by each player for a minimum of 48 months, extended to 60 months for those on the 5-year graduation track. The players' over-involved, overwrought, overheated sports dads and moms may also participate, though this is not required. A full-time Chapman basketball mission is served 24 hours a day, seven days a week.

Chapman basketball missionaries teach the gospel of Chapman basketball, including their never-ending belief and faith that someone other than La Sierra will play them.

What are the objectives of Chapman basketball missionaries?

1. Grow as human beings. Nothing makes a man out of you faster than the constant rejection by other basketball coaches and schools.

2. Collect some good stories. Hear about what it's like to play someone other than La Sierra for your entire basketball career.

3. Make friends. Being a Chapman basketball missionary forces you to meet new people, and there is a fantastic opportunity to develop many life long friendships with players, coaches, and fans of other schools who otherwise won't give Chapman the right time of day.

4. Pass the time. If I may be blunt on this point, being a Chapman basketball missionary isn't much fun. The rules tether you 24-7 to another Chapman player who you probably wouldn't choose to hang around with 24 hours a day, and you spend all of your time trying to get people to play you when they have absolutely no interest.

If this sounds like what you're looking for, then Chapman is the school for you!

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on December 28, 2009, 08:24:58 PM
Quote from: oldchap on December 28, 2009, 07:20:28 PM
I used restraint in regards to selling one's school, but since everyone is going all out, allow me to make my pitch.

Chapman isn't one of those top rated liberal arts college such as Pomona, Claremont, or Occidental. If these schools are rated as "most selective" by US News and World Report (they are ranked in the top 10 nationwide), Chapman is neverthelss considered a "more selective" school, with an average HS GPA of 3.7 and average SAT nearing the 1800 for the most recent entering freshman class.

A big difference is the fact that Chapman is twice as big as the other SCIAC schools and unlike these other schools, features a Law School as well as a fairly decent range of Master's programs. For instance, you can get your MBA in 5 years, fresh out of high school, something you couldn't do at a liberal arts College. It also has one of the best film schools in the nation, often cited along with the likes of USC and UCLA.


I think that we will have to agree to disagree on the rankings between the Claremont College and Chapman.

Also, with the Claremont Consortium, while you may go to a college of 1100 kids, you have the resources of 5 specialized undergrad schools, along with 2 graduate universities and over 10 research institutes. With Claremont you get a top-end school specializing in Econ, Finance, and Political Science. Harvey Mudd provides the BEST undergraduate Engineering college in the nation. Pomona also boasts a high end natural sciences and humanities programs. So, you can also get an MBA in 5 years from Claremont Graduate University, as well as a newly instituted Masters of Finance from CMC.

Regardless, ALL of these schools are GREAT places to play hoops, but more importantly get a solid education and great network.
Quote from: fhsutiger on December 28, 2009, 07:51:45 PM
NY24...to be real honest...it really comes down to this.

When picking a school, it really comes down to these 6 things:

1. Do you like the Coach! Does his style fit your style?
2. Would I enjoy playing with the guys they have returning on the team.
3. Do the Facilities meet my needs?
4. Am I going to get a good education, and have a job ready for me when I am ready to graduate.
5. Is there any HOT girls at the College?

(CMS is 4-1 I believe when it come to girl to guy ratio, heck...you have an all-girls college just footsteps away)

Am I missing anything?

Take these 5 questions and if you can answer them, and you are happy with your results...then you have your college. Good Luck!



I like the set of questions. The most important thing in decided where to go for school is how you feel when you walk on campus and what interaction is like between you and students. Once you get into the upper tier of education, the differentiating factor for each person is how you can tailor the education for you.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldchap on December 29, 2009, 05:09:43 PM
"Sticks and Stones", OxyBob, "Sticks and Stones"....

The fact is, Chapman today is ranked 19th in the nation, 6th in the West, they are 7-1 against SCIAC teams (they were 8-0 last season). They boast the 25th highest RPI in DIII basketball and they currently rank first in Pool B contention.

Meanwhile, we can't tell how good (or how bad) Occidental really is because of their schizophrenic non conference play: they lost where they were expected to lose and won against a bunch of Junior Varsity High School teams.

BTW, your post wasn't really "politically correct", but that's OK, I guess. Everyone here knows you.

Happy New Year to you, OxyBob, may the rest of the season bring your beloved Tigers on top of the SCIAC, so we can banter some more when we play each other in the first round of the playoffs.

And a Happy New Year to all of you, SCIAC fans, and good luck for the upcoming season. I predict a dog fight to the finish line!  ;D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on December 30, 2009, 09:59:48 AM
Eyewitness report from Thousand Oaks:

Cal Lutheran 72 Monmouth 58

Got a chance to see Cal Lutheran play last night against Monmouth of the Midwest Conference in the first game of CLU's Thrivent Financial for Lutherans Tournament. CLU got off to a 9-0 lead, but the Scots came back and took the lead 26-25 on Kendall Cox's 3-ball at 2:20. Monmouth led 33-29 at the half. In the second half, Monmouth led 38-36, but Kyle Knudsen scored the next 10 for the Kingsmen to put CLU up 46-42, and from there CLU outmuscled the Scots, opened it up to 63-47 at 6:30, and there's your ballgame.

For Cal Lutheran, Kyle Knudsen and Greg Grimm each had 17, Andy Meier had 16 and 7 rebounds, and Aaron Fisher scored 13 and had 8 rebounds. For Monmouth, Kendall Cox had 15.

CLU outrebounded Monmouth 36-31. With the win Cal Lutheran is now 5-4; Monmouth drops to 1-8.

Tonight at 8:00 CLU plays Hamline, which beat Wheaton 69-68 in last night's second game. I didn't stay for the game, but I'm sure that Wheaton fell prey to the usual CCIW calamities of flying on a plane, seeing the Hollywood sign, too little sleep, sunshine in December, and overall bad mojo.

Quote from: oldchap on December 29, 2009, 05:09:43 PM
BTW, your post wasn't really "politically correct"

Oh, did I offend you? Good. What part didn't you like, the basketball missionary part, the no one will play Chapman part, or the overheated sports dad part? For someone who "doesn't say a peep" about my posts, you sure do a lot of yapping about them. You're not related to Mr. Ypsi, are you?

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on December 30, 2009, 10:16:10 AM
OXYBOB,

Didn't sleep well last night, eh? Must be all the pressure of that big away game tonight....at La Sierra?

Happy New Year to all!!!!!

Dahlby

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on December 30, 2009, 10:46:15 AM
Quote from: dahlby on December 30, 2009, 10:16:10 AM
Didn't sleep well last night, eh? Must be all the pressure of that big away game tonight....at La Sierra?

Thanks for reminding me. Here's today's schedule:

Oxy @ La Sierra 3:00 p.m.
Claremont @ Pt. Loma Nazarene 7:00 p.m.
Northland @ La Verne 7:30 p.m.
Whittier @ UC Davis 7:30 p.m.
Hamline @ Cal Lutheran 8:00 p.m.

And here's tomorrow's schedule:

Pomona @ San Diego St. 1:00 p.m.
Redlands @ The Master's 2:00 p.m.
Ripon vs. Oxy @ Concordia-Irvine 2:00 p.m.

Don't worry, dahlby, Oxy will return La Sierra to you all safe and sound so Chapman can play them 3 times in 3 weeks. By the way, how was Chapman ever able to schedule the Jan. 6 game with Caltech? That was a real coup for the CU program.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on December 30, 2009, 11:10:50 AM
OXYBOB,

As this is the SCIAC board I try not to write about Chapman, but, being though you asked...read Chapman's schedule closer, you will see the possibility of playing La Sierra FOUR times this year. As a missionary school (as you suggested yesterday) it gives our team the opportunity mingle with other missionaries. Also, you missed out on West Coast Baptist....another missionary school. So Bob, don't fret, we do offer our players diversity, race, national origin, gender preference, and of course, religion.

Best regards, enjoy the drive to La Sierra.......
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldchap on December 30, 2009, 01:08:19 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on December 30, 2009, 09:59:48 AM
Oh, did I offend you?

OxyBob

Never. I find your tirades sometimes mildly entertaining, although generally old and tired. I'm not a religious person, but I bet members of a certain Church would have taken exception to your post, and certainly anyone associated with La Sierra.

Speaking of which....Since it's a week of upsets, make sure your Tigers don't lose to La Sierra, you'd never hear the end of it. It happened to La Verne, it could very well happen to any SCIAC team.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on December 30, 2009, 01:35:36 PM
Quote from: oldchap on December 30, 2009, 01:08:19 PM
Speaking of which....Since it's a week of upsets, make sure your Tigers don't lose to La Sierra, you'd never hear the end of it. It happened to La Verne, it could very well happen to any SCIAC team.

Oxy lost to La Sierra in 2003, still made the Elite 8, and lived to tell about it. As for La Verne, they're 1-7, adding to Chapman's mighty SOS, which will no doubt be one of the worst in all of D-III again. Now you run along and go worry about Caltech and UDallas.

Quote from: oldchap on December 30, 2009, 01:08:19 PM
I'm not a religious person

Not surprising, with Chapman's God-awful schedule.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fhsutiger on December 31, 2009, 12:16:11 AM
Eyewitness Report from my computer:

The Stags defeated Point Loma University 64-62 in San Diego tonight. The Stags jumped out to a 11-1 lead, and was ahead throughout the game until the last the 3 minutes of the game. The first half, the Stags played great on the defensive end limiting Point Loma to a lot of one and outs. Mike Bagby led the team with 10 points in the first half off of great shooting from the 3 pt line. The stags had a lot of help off the bench with great play from Shane Davis, Ben Bergsma, Kevin Sullivan, and we finally got to see Greyson Blue for the first time this season. It was great seeing Greyson's big body out there playing good defense and rebounding.The stags led 34-26 at halftime.

The Stags lead 50-39 with 10:39 left when Point Loma went on a little run. An apparent foul on a Oberg 3pt shot was not called in front of the Stag bench which caused coached Scalmanini to get a Technical foul. Point loma would go on a 7-0 run to cut the score to 52--48 with 7 minutes remaining. Point Loma would eventually take the lead at 54-52 when Jr. Chris Blees made a layup to tie the game, and 30 seconds later Joey Anderson got a fast break layup to take the lead at 65-54. The Stags would never fall behind again with free-throws to win the game 64-62. Chris Blees ended up with 15 points, Mike Bagby with 13pts, and Patrick Lacey I believe ended the game with 12 points. The Stags return to action on January 2nd @ Cal Tech vs. Westminster (Pa.) at 3pm. The Stags play Rivier at 3pm on January 3. The stags are now 6-3 on the season.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 01, 2010, 09:01:40 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on December 30, 2009, 10:46:15 AM
Quote from: dahlby on December 30, 2009, 10:16:10 AM
Didn't sleep well last night, eh? Must be all the pressure of that big away game tonight....at La Sierra?

Thanks for reminding me. Here's today's schedule:

Oxy @ La Sierra 3:00 p.m.
Claremont @ Pt. Loma Nazarene 7:00 p.m.
Northland @ La Verne 7:30 p.m.
Whittier @ UC Davis 7:30 p.m.
Hamline @ Cal Lutheran 8:00 p.m.

And here's tomorrow's schedule:

Pomona @ San Diego St. 1:00 p.m.
Redlands @ The Master's 2:00 p.m.
Ripon vs. Oxy @ Concordia-Irvine 2:00 p.m.

Results:

Oxy 82, La Sierra 57
OC: Eric Leider 19, Huston Conti 17, Sean Anderson 13, Jake Copithorne 11, Deshin McCoy 10

Claremont 64, Point Loma 62 (see above post)

La Verne 76, Northland 72
ULV: Austin Napolitano 23, Trevor Woodland 15, John Leggett 11

UC Davis 89, Whittier 53
WC: Drew Menez 17, David Hayashi 15

Hamline 66, Cal Lutheran 58
CLU: Greg Grimm 17, Aaron Van Klaveren 13

San Diego St. 89, Pomona 54
PP: Adam Chiamowitz 16, Donald Okpalugo 10

The Master's 75, Redlands 56
UR: Brian Kuklok 9, Jordan Sanvictores 9

Oxy 72, Ripon 67
OC: Eric Leider 24, Sean Anderson 18, Jack Hanley 10, Huston Conti 10

Upcoming games:

Saturday, Jan. 2

Rivier @ Caltech 1:00 p.m.
Westminster vs. Claremont @ Caltech 3:00 p.m.
Redlands @ Biola  7:30 p.m.
Wheaton @ Pomona 7:30 p.m.
Bethany Lutheran @ Cal Lutheran 7:30 p.m.
La Sierra @ Whittier 8:00 p.m.

Sunday, Jan 3

Westminster @ Caltech 1:00 p.m.
Rivier vs. Claremont @ Caltech 3:00 p.m.
Bethany Lutheran @ La Verne 4:00 p.m.
Northland @ Whittier 8:00 p.m.

Monday, Jan. 4

Emerson @ Oxy 5:00 p.m.

Tuesday, Jan. 5

Pomona vs. Emerson @ Oxy 5:00 p.m.
West Coast Baptist @ La Verne 7:00 p.m.
La Sierra @ Redlands 7:30 p.m.

Wednesday, Jan. 6

Chapman @ Caltech 7:30 p.m.

Conference play starts Jan. 9.

OxyBob    
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 02, 2010, 11:04:11 PM
Eyewitness report from Pasadena:

Rivier 66 Caltech 49

Caltech took on Rivier College from Nashua, New Hampshire, out of the Great Northeast Athletic Conference.

In the first half, Caltech had no answer for Rivier's 6'8" wide body center Dan Portias, who scored the Raiders' first 13 points. After Nick Bean hit consecutive 3-balls to give Rivier a 19-13 lead, Caltech responded with 11 straight and led 24-19, but the Raiders closed out the half on an 11-2 run and led 30-26 at the half.

In the second half, Rivier turned up the pressure and the pace, outscored CIT 18-2, and led 48-28 at 11:30. Mason Freeman hit a jumper and the Beavers finally got their first basket of the half at 11:00. Rivier emptied its bench up 56-30 at 8:30. Caltech fought hard to the end, cutting the lead to 15 with 50 seconds to go.

For Caltech, freshman Mike Edwards led all scorers with 28 points, and Edwards also pulled down 9 rebounds and had 2 assists and 3 steals. Collin Murphy stood in nicely for injured point guard Ethan Boroson with 8 rebounds, 3 assists, and some excellent defensive play. For Rivier, Dan Portias was 11-for-13 FGs and 5-for-5 FTs for 27 points plus 10 rebounds, and Nick Bean scored 10.

Caltech is 0-9, and Rivier is 3-5.

In the second game of the afternoon, Claremont had no trouble with Westminster, beating the Titans 62-40. For CMS, Chris Blees and Conner Faught each scored 14, and Patrick Lacey had 10. The Stags are now 7-3 and face Rivier tomorrow at 3:00 p.m., while Westminster (2-9) will play Caltech at 1:00 p.m.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TeeDub on January 03, 2010, 01:23:42 AM
Amazing 4 OT game for PP despite losing 102-100 to Wheaton.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on January 03, 2010, 01:04:12 PM
Can a west coaster give the score of the Santa Cruz - Cal Maritime game from yesterday  -  both school sites have not been updating scores in the last week.....
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on January 03, 2010, 02:03:04 PM
Quote from: hopefan on January 03, 2010, 01:04:12 PM
Can a west coaster give the score of the Santa Cruz - Cal Maritime game from yesterday  -  both school sites have not been updating scores in the last week.....
No, but keep looking at this page.
http://www.d3hoops.com/schedule/mens/2010-01-02
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TeeDub on January 03, 2010, 08:16:13 PM
Spoken as a true homer...I think Redlands may shake some things up in the SCIAC this year.  I just wanted to have that on record for later.   ;)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 04, 2010, 11:38:34 AM
Emerson College (3-4), located in Boston and a member of the Great Northeast Athletic Conference, will be in Rush Gymnasium to face Oxy (7-3) tonight at 5:00 p.m.

The match-up between the Lions and the Tigers bears watching.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on January 04, 2010, 11:50:11 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 04, 2010, 11:38:34 AM
The match-up between the Lions and the Tigers bears watching.
Oh my!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on January 04, 2010, 12:38:00 PM
OXY BOB..
Although I thought you could do better with the play on words, the Emerson game should be good. They do play a tough schedule.

I was planning on going up for the game, but I think we are going to SOAR over to Riverside to scout the La Sierra Eagles practice. We need to be prepared!

Cheers!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 04, 2010, 01:06:00 PM
Quote from: dahlby on January 04, 2010, 12:38:00 PM
Although I thought you could do better with the play on words, the Emerson game should be good. They do play a tough schedule.

Sung to the tune of "If I Only Had The Nerve" from the Wizard of Oz:

Yes, we Chapman fans get pissy
When you call us all a sissy
Without the vim and verve
But we wouldn't be a wreck, if we didn't play Caltech
If we only had the nerve
I'm afraid we wear mascara, cuz we're playing La Sierra
A fate we well deserve
We wouldn't sing the blues, and not play Santa Cruz
If we only had the nerve
We wouldn't have a fit...
Someone might give a whit...
Our schedule would not be sh!t...
If we only had the nerve

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fhsutiger on January 04, 2010, 01:43:14 PM
It is very tough to follow up after something like that, but I will try! Here is a little recap of this weekends games for CMS.

The CMS Stags went 2-0 over the weekend defeating Westminster College on Saturday 62-40 and defeating Rivier College 54-49. The Stags go to 8-3 on the season.

The Titans led by as many as four points in the first half before the Stags tied the game for the fifth time at halftime with a 20-20 score. CMS then went on a 17-6 run to start the second half to take an 11-point, 37-26 lead with 14:13 remaining. Westminster cut the deficit to single digits just once after that as the Stags cruised to the victory by way of a 15-4 run between the 13:55 and 6:37 marks.

Chris Blees and Conner Faught led the Stags with 14 points apiece, while Patrick Lacey deposited 10 points. Jason Toney, one of six Stags with at least four rebounds, led CMS with six rebounds to go with nine points.

For Westminster, senior forward Ryne Murray led the Titans with a double-double. Murray tied a game-high with 14 points while grabbing a game-high 10 rebounds.

.Westminster shot 32.7 percent (16-49) from the floor, including 3-19 from 3-point range. CMS was 40.4 percent (21-52) from the field.

On Sunday, the Stags defeated the Rivier Raiders 54-49 at Caltech. The Stags controlled the majority of the game, and led 29-18 at the break. The Stags were led by Joey Anderson who had a breakout performance with 17 pts, and 9 rebounds. Conner Faught chipped in with 11pts, Shane Davis with 6pts and 3 steals, and Patrick Lacey had 6 pts and 6 rebounds. The Stags out-rebounded the Raiders 35-26.

The Stags are now 8-3 on the season, and winners of the last 3. The Stags will host Redlands University Saturday night at 7:30pm at Ducey gym at Claremont McKenna College. The Stags look to continue there winning ways as the SCIAC season begins.

Here is how I believe the SCIAC will finish:

1. CMS
2. Cal Lutheran
3. Pomona
4. Oxy
5. Whittier
6. Redlands
7. LaVerne
8. Cal Tech

SCIAC Tournament:
CMS defeats Pomona (AGAIN)


Here is the SCIAC Schedule for this Saturday:

Pomona-Pitzer @ La Verne   (PP by 15)
Redlands @ Claremont-Mudd-Scripps   (CMS by 12)
Caltech @ Cal Lutheran (Cal Lu by Who knows...30)
Whittier @ Occidental  (Oxy by 4) 

How does everyone else think the SCIAC will turn out!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on January 04, 2010, 01:55:05 PM
OXY BOB,

My wife gives you an "A", but I must give you a "C" (and only because the California State Education System recommends passing all students). I had to mark you down because of  the excessive use of the word "nerve".

When a team is 7-3 with five of those wins coming against La Sierra, Cal Baptist and American Sports University it does not reflect well when you consider Oxy cancelled its game against Chapman.

Unless of course, your Tigers wanted to rest up for SCIAC play to have a better chance of winning the conference and possibly meeting CU in the first round of the playoffs, if CU does win out for the rest of the year. I am not saying they will. If that is your strategy, it might work, if you get past Pomona, CMS and Cal Lu, with Whittier possibly following close behind.

PS Could we get some game film on WC Baptist and/or La Sierra to help prepare us for our tough Jan and Feb schedule? Our guys would probably appreciate it. Also, (no forget it, I want to be nice to you this year). Also, could you furnish the phone number, address and contact for American Sports University. Maybe we could play them next year.  I tried to find their record, but their web page did not show it.

Cheers! RBye


Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on January 04, 2010, 02:49:11 PM
thanks for the update FHSUtiger!

glad the Stags took care of business going into conference play.

From the looks of it, there will be no easy games in conference (MAYBE home vs CalTech)
Look for some surprising outcomes and great games on Wednesdays and Saturdays:

Based on non-conference play heres my predictions for Conference:

1. CMS
2. CLU
3. P-P
4. Oxy
5. Whittier
6. Redlands
7. ULV
8. Cal Tech

As for this weekends games:

Pomona-Pitzer @ La Verne   (ULV - UPSET SPECIAL)
Redlands @ Claremont-Mudd-Scripps   (CMS)
Caltech @ Cal Lutheran (Cal Lu)
Whittier @ Occidental  (Oxy) 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 04, 2010, 03:31:52 PM
Quote from: dahlby on January 04, 2010, 01:55:05 PM
My wife gives you an "A", but I must give you a "C" (and only because the California State Education System recommends passing all students). I had to mark you down because of  the excessive use of the word "nerve".

Insofar as the use of the word nerve, take it up with Harold Arlen and E.Y Harburg, who wrote the music and lyrics. If you only had a brain then you would have known that. Arlen and Harburg also wrote "Over The Rainbow," which the American Film Institute ranked as the greatest movie song of all time. You probably would have given that song a C- for overuse of the word rainbow.

Good luck to Chapman against Caltech.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on January 04, 2010, 03:51:31 PM
OXY BOB,

Great writers, great music,poor application of words. Don't blame them as you chose the  words. Next time choose a song without the word nerve.....but, with Oxy not having the nerve to play Chapman, I can see why you would not have understood the specific application.

Regarding "over the rainbow", I can see why it is one of your favorites, as it allows you to keep dreamin' while you are singin' and hopin' and prayin'.

Regarding Cal Tech, I think they could teach us all a few lessons, in more than one way. I have total respect for their athletes.

Good luck!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on January 04, 2010, 04:00:06 PM
Oxy Bob sometimes can be described as having a lot of nerve, but in this case he only used the word three times. ;D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 04, 2010, 04:08:26 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on January 04, 2010, 04:00:06 PM
Oxy Bob sometimes can be described as having a lot of nerve, but in this case he only used the word three times.

Look, if the Scarecrow and his little Munchkin pal want to come in here and get their heads bashed in over and over and over then let 'em. They have nowhere else to go.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on January 04, 2010, 04:11:44 PM
OXY BOB,

There you go again! Don't you have the nerve to pick on the bigger characters?

Cheers,
Dahlby
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldchap on January 04, 2010, 04:46:12 PM
Quote from: stag44 on January 04, 2010, 02:49:11 PM
Based on non-conference play heres my predictions for Conference:

1. CMS
2. CLU
3. P-P
4. Oxy
5. Whittier
6. Redlands
7. ULV
8. Cal Tech


I have had the privilege to watch every single team in the SCIAC this season, except for Cal Tech which I will see on Wednesday and Oxy who, for some reason only known to OxyBob, decided to turn down Chapman's gracious invitation.

From what I have seen, I can only concur that CMS is the team to beat this season, and I'm not saying this because that's the only SCIAC team who beat Chapman (albeit by one point). I think they have a deep bench, I think they are relentless in defense and I think that it will be very hard to guard Conner Faught from the three point line. Their coach has them prepared and they give me the impression, looking at their record, that they'll be consistent.

I was less impressed by CLU, who has "immaturity" and "inconsistency"written all over. They can be capable of the best as well as the worst. And I can tell you that if frustrated, they have a hard time keeping their composure.

La Verne is a team which I would place higher. They will be inconsistent for sure (and consistency is the name of the game in Conference play), however they have some serious scorers on the team and if these guys are turned on, they're hard to stop.

Some comments about P-P: they live and die at the three point line, and on fast breaks, so you will see some big surprises coming from them (both good and bad). Again, if they can muster some consistency they will be dangerous. I personally like their chances better than CLU.

I also will say that Redlands is another of these teams which will create some surprises this season and I won't be surprised if they finish in the top 4.

Finally, Whittier is a little small and not quite athletic, except for one big man down low. They can light it up from three point range, but lack depth on the bench to make things happen.

We all know where Caltech will finish, although it appears it's one of their best teams in years. As for Oxy, we'll let OxyBob give you the scoop, unless he is too busy walking down the yellow brick road with his red slippers...
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fhsutiger on January 04, 2010, 05:52:31 PM
I'm originally from Kansas and lived there for almost 25 years of my life...so enough with this Wizard of Oz crap!  Sooner or later a tornado is going to wisk you two away and then I won't have to hear the OZ crap anymore.  Get on with it...and lets start talking about the upcoming SCIAC seaon. I'm interested into thinking what the great OZ thinks (Sorry I had to do it), especially since he is a die hard OXY fan!

By the way, let's stop talking about Chapman....WHEN and IF they make the tournament, we can begin the talk again, until then...let's move on!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 04, 2010, 05:57:07 PM
Quote from: dahlby on January 04, 2010, 04:11:44 PM
There you go again! Don't you have the nerve to pick on the bigger characters?

Get off your freakin' high horse. So far Chapman has played D-III teams with a combined record of 33-54, which is a .443 OWP. After Wednesday it'll be .402, which with any luck will only put Chapman in the bottom 3-4% in all of D-III. And with at least 5 games coming up against La Sierra and UCSC it'll get even worse.

God almighty I can't wait for the SCIAC season to start so we'll be done with you already.

Quote from: fhsutiger on January 04, 2010, 05:52:31 PM
I'm interested into thinking what the great OZ thinks (Sorry I had to do it), especially since he is a die hard OXY fan!

What, and have some wiseguy say, "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!"

Re SCIAC: CMS is the team to beat.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: John Gleich on January 04, 2010, 06:01:50 PM
Quote from: fhsutiger on January 04, 2010, 05:52:31 PM
I'm originally from Kansas and lived there for almost 25 years of my life...so enough with this Wizard of Oz crap!  Sooner or later...

... I thought the Sooners were in Oklahoma, not Kansas...
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fhsutiger on January 04, 2010, 06:07:45 PM
Quote from: PointSpecial on January 04, 2010, 06:01:50 PM
Quote from: fhsutiger on January 04, 2010, 05:52:31 PM
I'm originally from Kansas and lived there for almost 25 years of my life...so enough with this Wizard of Oz crap!  Sooner or later...

... I thought the Sooners were in Oklahoma, not Kansas...

Wow...I bet that took a lot of thinking to figure that line out! You can be so witty!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldchap on January 04, 2010, 06:24:33 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 04, 2010, 05:57:07 PM
So far Chapman has played D-III teams with a combined record of 33-54, which is a .443 OWP.

OxyBob

Is this Enron accounting?

So far, Chapman is first in Pool B contention, 6th in the West and 22nd in RPI. That's according to someone who actually knows something.

...And your OWP number (the one that actually counts) is way off.

Quote from: KnightSlappy on January 04, 2010, 02:52:59 PM
Through games of Sunday 1/3/2010 -- includes results reported on d3hoops.com at 11:00 p.m. EST on Sunday night.

REG   #   WP      OWP     OOWP    RPI      NAT   Pool        REG     OVR   CONF     Team
                                    
                           
W   001   0.923   0.667   0.573   0.7073   003   A   C      12-1    12-1   WIAC     UW-Whitewater
W   002   0.909   0.651   0.616   0.7068   004   C   001    10-1    11-2   WIAC     UW-La Crosse
W   003   0.909   0.643   0.582   0.6942   006   C   002    10-1    11-1   WIAC     UW-Stevens Point
W   004   0.833   0.647   0.534   0.6653   011   A   C       5-1     8-1   MIAC     St. Thomas
W   005   0.857   0.603   0.560   0.6561   013   C   005     6-1     6-3   MIAC     Gustavus Adolphus
W   006   0.909   0.565   0.503   0.6355   022   B   001    10-1    11-2   IND      Chapman
W   007   0.778   0.591   0.578   0.6345   024   A   C       7-2     9-2   NWC      Whitworth
W   008   0.750   0.597   0.540   0.6210   032   C   013     6-2     6-2   MIAC     Augsburg
W   009   0.750   0.582   0.558   0.6179   038   C   017     6-2     8-4   WIAC     UW-Platteville
W   010   0.625   0.651   0.494   0.6051   046   A   C-2     5-3     7-5   IIAC     Buena Vista
W   011   0.714   0.590   0.499   0.5984   052   C   026     5-2     6-3   MIAC     St. Johns
W   012   0.333   0.762   0.505   0.5906   066   C   038     1-2     2-8   NWC      Lewis and Clark
                                    
      Pool:   A   Top ranked team in Pool A eligible conference                        
         B   Pool B eligible team                        
         C   At large candidate                        
         N/A   Not eligible for postseason participation                        
                                    
      B or C #      Rank in Pool (C or B)                        
                                    
      A Status:   C   Pool A candidate, would rank within top 19 of Pool C                         
         C-2   2nd tier Pool A candidate, would rank 20-29 of Pool C                         
         Blank   Ranks outside of the top 29 of Pool C                        


I promise I'll go away now, but I can't help it to open my mouth when I see blatant and biased inaccuracies.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: John Gleich on January 04, 2010, 07:24:58 PM
Quote from: fhsutiger on January 04, 2010, 06:07:45 PM
Quote from: PointSpecial on January 04, 2010, 06:01:50 PM
Quote from: fhsutiger on January 04, 2010, 05:52:31 PM
I'm originally from Kansas and lived there for almost 25 years of my life...so enough with this Wizard of Oz crap!  Sooner or later...

... I thought the Sooners were in Oklahoma, not Kansas...

Wow...I bet that took a lot of thinking to figure that line out! You can be so witty!

No, it didn't... but it was a better quip than yours about the tornado...
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 04, 2010, 07:55:55 PM
Quote from: oldchap on January 04, 2010, 06:24:33 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 04, 2010, 05:57:07 PM
So far Chapman has played D-III teams with a combined record of 33-54, which is a .443 OWP.
Is this Enron accounting?

Uh, no.

Pomona is 4-6
Cal Lutheran is 6-5
La Verne is 3-7
Elmhurst is 5-6
UCSC is 4-10
George Fox is 4-6
Claremont is 8-3
Redlands is 3-7
Whittier is 6-4

4+6+3+5+4+4+8+3+6 = 43
6+5+7+6+10+6+3+7+4 = 54

43/97 = .443

Quote from: oldchap on January 04, 2010, 06:24:33 PM
I promise I'll go away now, but I can't help it to open my mouth when I see blatant and biased inaccuracies.

2-1 says you'll be back within the hour.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 05, 2010, 12:21:44 AM
Oxy 83 Emerson 65 Final

Oxy never trailed. 11-0 run made it 37-18. Halftime 41-28. Emerson didn't get closer than 15 in 2nd half.
OC: Huston Conti 22, Jack Hanley 17, Deshun McCoy 16 pts and 8 rebs, Sean Anderson 13 pts and 12 rebs.
Records: Oxy 8-3, Emerson 3-5

Emerson plays Pomona tomorrow night at 5:00 p.m. at Oxy.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fhsutiger on January 05, 2010, 10:51:55 AM
OXy seems to be a very competitive team. I haven't had the chance to see them this year. Deshun McCoy seems to be a good fit for that team. Bob, can you give me a recap on this team. I know all I need to know in regards to the returners in Anderson, Conti, and Hanley, but how are the new guys doing? What's your prediction on Oxy's SCIAC schedule?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 05, 2010, 12:54:05 PM
Quote from: fhsutiger on January 05, 2010, 10:51:55 AM
Bob, can you give me a recap on this team. I know all I need to know in regards to the returners in Anderson, Conti, and Hanley, but how are the new guys doing? What's your prediction on Oxy's SCIAC schedule?

Oxy will be better than last year when they were 11-14 and 7-7 in the conference. They have two freshmen starters, point guard Eric Leider and forward Deshun McCoy, along with senior center Sean Anderson, senior guard Huston Conti, who's back from a year abroad in France, and sophomore forward Jack Hanley. In nonconference play all five starters have averaged in double figures, with Conti leading the way with 16.7 ppg. 3-ball-wise, Hanley is the leader so far, shooting .638 on 14-for-22. As a team the Tigers have shot 49.8% FGs, 43.4% 3-pointers, and 72.3% FTs. Oxy is averaging 75.1 ppg and has given up 68.2. The 3 primary subs are forward Jake Copithorne, and guards Dave Ostrow and Peter Gierlach. No one else has gotten significant minutes.

Size-wise except for 6'10" Anderson the Tigers aren't real big, and their front line's not beefy like it was a couple of seasons ago when they had Hunt-Sasich-Pitcher-Meier at forward.

You've seen Oxy play, and they haven't changed their style. They like to push the ball up the floor and go to the basket. In a half court set they like to get the ball in to Anderson for some close in shots, and if that's not open he'll kick it back out to one of the shooters. Leider has shown good ball handling skills, will drive to the basket, and has a nice pull-up jumper. McCoy is real smooth, has a soft touch on his shot, and is second on the team in rebounding behind Anderson. The only thing McCoy hasn't done well so far is shoot FTs. Leider, Hanley and Conti give Oxy a nice trio of 3-pointer threats. On defense Oxy plays a switching man-to-man, and likes to double the ball. I can't remember the last time Brian Newhall used a zone, except when he tried a box-and-one in a futile attempt to stop Amir Mazarei.

Overall like I said this will be a better Oxy team than last season. I figure them for 9-5 in conference, maybe 10-4 if things go well.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 06, 2010, 12:31:42 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 05, 2010, 12:21:44 AM
Emerson plays Pomona tomorrow night at 5:00 p.m. at Oxy.

Emerson 62, Pomona 56
PP: Justin Sexton 17 pts and 10 rebs, David Liss 11 pts, 6 assists, 3 steals

La Verne 89, West Coast Baptist 74
ULV: Billy Nicolini 17, Mychal Thomas and Matt Heyd 11 each, Austin Napolitano and Jonathan Bastos 10 each

Redlands 94, La Sierra 80

OxyBob

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldchap on January 06, 2010, 12:57:47 AM
Quote from: fhsutiger on January 05, 2010, 10:51:55 AM
OXy seems to be a very competitive team. I haven't had the chance to see them this year. Deshun McCoy seems to be a good fit for that team. Bob, can you give me a recap on this team. I know all I need to know in regards to the returners in Anderson, Conti, and Hanley, but how are the new guys doing? What's your prediction on Oxy's SCIAC schedule?

OxyBob,

FYI

The Massey Ratings are out for all divisions and currently Occidental College is placed in second position amongst all SCIAC teams, and first using BCS rankings. Maybe Oxy can be the sleeper team in the SCIAC this year after all... Too bad they refused to play Chapman this year, we could have had a better idea on how good they really are....

Here is the link: http://masseyratings.com/rate.php?lg=cb
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 06, 2010, 10:34:50 AM
Quote from: oldchap on January 04, 2010, 06:24:33 PM
I promise I'll go away now

That didn't last.

Quote from: oldchap on January 06, 2010, 12:57:47 AM
The Massey Ratings are out for all divisions and currently Occidental College is placed in second position amongst all SCIAC teams, and first using BCS rankings.

The Massey Ratings don't mean squat. All that matters is winning the Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference. FYI, a conference is an association of athletic teams which is organized to promote mutual interests and to compete chiefly among themselves. That would of course be a foreign concept to Chapman, which plays in a league of its own lonely, ostracized self.

Looking at the scores in the LA Times this morning, there's this one:

QuoteCal Baptist 81, Cal Baptist 66

Cal Baptist, which entered the game with a 9-3 record, improved and fell to 10-4.

OxyBob

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fhsutiger on January 06, 2010, 10:47:18 AM
Quote from: oldchap on January 06, 2010, 12:57:47 AM
Quote from: fhsutiger on January 05, 2010, 10:51:55 AM
OXy seems to be a very competitive team. I haven't had the chance to see them this year. Deshun McCoy seems to be a good fit for that team. Bob, can you give me a recap on this team. I know all I need to know in regards to the returners in Anderson, Conti, and Hanley, but how are the new guys doing? What's your prediction on Oxy's SCIAC schedule?

OxyBob,

FYI

The Massey Ratings are out for all divisions and currently Occidental College is placed in second position amongst all SCIAC teams, and first using BCS rankings. Maybe Oxy can be the sleeper team in the SCIAC this year after all... Too bad they refused to play Chapman this year, we could have had a better idea on how good they really are....

Here is the link: http://masseyratings.com/rate.php?lg=cb

So I went and looked at the Massey Ratings and I see that Chapman is ranked 11 in the country due to their pre-season record, or what I would call the before break season.  After looking at it made me think...how far Chapman will fall after their next 13 or so games against unworthy opponents. So take a look at the schedule for the remainder of the year, and you be the judge of how far they would fall due to the schedule. Chapman should be thankful that this isn't like football, because they wouldn't be able to even be talked about with their schedule. See below, I even added the #10 team according the Massey Ratings. Old Chap, you have to move on to something else, because it's getting old. While we all know that we would love to see Chapman and Oxy duke it out to see who is better, and who would get bragging rights, it is getting old listening to you explain the fact that Chapman is the strongest team in our area. There NOT!!! So get over it!

#10 Mississippi College
Mississippi College
Concordia Texas   away
Univ. of Mary Hardin-Baylor away
Louisiana College home
Univ. of Texas at Tyler home
LeTourneau away
East Texas Baptist away
Ozarks Away
Texas-Dallas away
Conference Tourney
(probably better teams than La Sierra and Southwestern)

Close your eyes, this schedule is SCARY!!!!!!

#11 Chapman Schedule
@ Caltech
West Coast Baptist @ Home
@ La Sierra
Vs. UCSC @ Riverside, CA
Vs. Dallas @ Riverside, CA
@ La Sierra
@ Southwestern
Vs. Southwestern
Vs. La Sierra
@ Hope International
Vs. UC Santa Cruz
@ West Coast Baptist
DIII Independent Tournament against all these bad teams!

I forgot to add there ranking, but you can imagine it will probably go up due to there competition level.

Oxy's Schedule
Vs. Whittier
Vs. CMS
@ Cal Lutheran
Vs. Caltech
@ La Verne
@ Redlands
Vs. Pomona Pitzer
@ Whittier
@ CMS
Vs. Cal Lutheran
@ Cal Tech
Vs. Laverne
Vs. Redlands
@ Pomona Pitzer
SCIAC Tourney if top 4
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fhsutiger on January 06, 2010, 11:11:02 AM

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So I went and looked at the Massey Ratings and I see that Chapman is ranked 11 in the country due to their pre-season record, or what I would call the before break season. 
[/quote]

Excuse me.....NonConference Record.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DIIIghetto on January 06, 2010, 12:31:23 PM
Chapman, I think your team would have its hands full if it squeaks in a tournament bid and happens to draw Oxy.  Kind of like Kats's historical record against pretty much everyone in the SCIAC, I think Oxy has had some historical success against your school.  And if you aren't a fan of history, current events tell me that Chapman had its hands full in an early scrimmage this year against Oxy.  Check that with your sources to verify that one for us. 

Can anyone else explain to me what just happened to PP against Emerson?  After playing well for a half against SDSU, then playing Wheaton like studs, they lose to Emerson???  I would not want to be at their next practice. 

I still think this year promises to be more of a dogg fight than usual in the SCIAC.  CMS & PP are legit contenders.  Nobody knows with Oxy because all of their losses have come to D1 and APU, but are they legit?  Whitter is the team that I expect to send shock waves this year.  Usually they are good for a Hen upset or someone else, but this year they might make a nice run for that conference tourney.  Redlands and LV are more difficult for me to read.  Not sure what is going on there.  CLU is the most intriguing - coming in the frontrunners.  It will be surprising if they don't contend, because they almost always do. 

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 06, 2010, 12:52:42 PM
Quote from: DIIIghetto on January 06, 2010, 12:31:23 PM
Can anyone else explain to me what just happened to PP against Emerson?  After playing well for a half against SDSU, then playing Wheaton like studs, they lose to Emerson???  I would not want to be at their next practice. 

One thing that stood out in the Emerson-Pomona box score was that Adam Chiamowitz, who had 16 against SDSU and 20 against Wheaton, DNP.

I never put much stock in Pomona's nonconference record. Every season I ask Coach Kat how he thinks Pomona will do, and he always tells me that they'll win 4 or 5 games in conference, but the Sagehens always seem to be right there when it counts.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DIIIghetto on January 06, 2010, 12:58:16 PM
Kats does seem to pull the rope-a-dope out on everyone in the SCIAC.  If Oxy was watching the game last night against Emerson, no doubt they will be lulled into a false sense of overconfidence that could be just enough for Kats to get 2 all-important SCIAC wins against the Tigers.  But where Kats is just too shortsighted in that rope-a-dope is that it guarantees him road games if they get the bid.  Then we all have to come to this board and listen to the Hen fans talk about how they get screwed in the seeding.  No, Kats screws them in the seeding by not playing against Emerson the same way he will against the Stags.  
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: John Gleich on January 06, 2010, 02:11:51 PM
Check out the top 25 board on the multi-region topics... there's a definitive skew in the Massey ratings, so I'm not sure how valuable a tool they are at this point.  Perhaps they'll get better... but I think most teams are done with their non-con schedules, so the conference rankings likely won't change much.

I think tools like that always need to be taken with a grain of salt... this year, it might be with a 10 pound bag.


As an aside, concerning the SCIAC's non-con schedule, I think the NWC model of non-con scheduling might do them some good.  The NWC scheduled 10 games against the WIAC (though only 1 against the MIAC, so it may be an abnormal year)... the SCIAC, none.  The MIAC had 3 SCIAC games.  I know that it's really, really tough, especially in this economy to fly a team half way across the country, but Whitworth did come to WI, and both Stevens Point and Whitewater went to the northwest. 

Thoughts?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Titan Q on January 06, 2010, 02:39:15 PM
Quote from: PointSpecial on January 06, 2010, 02:11:51 PMAs an aside, concerning the SCIAC's non-con schedule, I think the NWC model of non-con scheduling might do them some good.  The NWC scheduled 10 games against the WIAC (though only 1 against the MIAC, so it may be an abnormal year)... the SCIAC, none.  The MIAC had 3 SCIAC games.  I know that it's really, really tough, especially in this economy to fly a team half way across the country, but Whitworth did come to WI, and both Stevens Point and Whitewater went to the northwest. 

Thoughts?

Point, do you mean it would be good for the SCIAC to schedule more games vs the WIAC simply from the standpoint of improving in Massey?  Or do you mean from a D3 primary criteria perspective (in-region winning %, strength of schedule, etc)?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 06, 2010, 02:44:17 PM
Quote from: PointSpecial on January 06, 2010, 02:11:51 PM
As an aside, concerning the SCIAC's non-con schedule, I think the NWC model of non-con scheduling might do them some good.  The NWC scheduled 10 games against the WIAC (though only 1 against the MIAC, so it may be an abnormal year)... the SCIAC, none.  The MIAC had 3 SCIAC games.  I know that it's really, really tough, especially in this economy to fly a team half way across the country, but Whitworth did come to WI, and both Stevens Point and Whitewater went to the northwest. 

Thoughts?

Not happening.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on January 06, 2010, 03:27:06 PM
Quote from: PointSpecial on January 06, 2010, 02:11:51 PM
Check out the top 25 board on the multi-region topics... there's a definitive skew in the Massey ratings, so I'm not sure how valuable a tool they are at this point.  Perhaps they'll get better... but I think most teams are done with their non-con schedules, so the conference rankings likely won't change much.

I think tools like that always need to be taken with a grain of salt... this year, it might be with a 10 pound bag.


As an aside, concerning the SCIAC's non-con schedule, I think the NWC model of non-con scheduling might do them some good.  The NWC scheduled 10 games against the WIAC (though only 1 against the MIAC, so it may be an abnormal year)... the SCIAC, none.  The MIAC had 3 SCIAC games.  I know that it's really, really tough, especially in this economy to fly a team half way across the country, but Whitworth did come to WI, and both Stevens Point and Whitewater went to the northwest. 

Thoughts?

The SCIAC is always happy to host teams in Sunny Southern  California during winter break. I was and still am for SCIAC teams going out and playing agains the nations best, and hopefully there will be a move towards that.

Quote from: DIIIghetto on January 06, 2010, 12:58:16 PM
Kats does seem to pull the rope-a-dope out on everyone in the SCIAC.  If Oxy was watching the game last night against Emerson, no doubt they will be lulled into a false sense of overconfidence that could be just enough for Kats to get 2 all-important SCIAC wins against the Tigers.  But where Kats is just too shortsighted in that rope-a-dope is that it guarantees him road games if they get the bid.  Then we all have to come to this board and listen to the Hen fans talk about how they get screwed in the seeding.  No, Kats screws them in the seeding by not playing against Emerson the same way he will against the Stags. 

I fully agree with this. Kats uses the non-conference slate to really get his head around the team he has and to scout other teams. While his out of conference record is nothing to write home about, I think his conference record speaks for itself.

Year in and Year out Scali, Newhall, Kats and Rider seem to have thier teams battling for a title regardless of the players. This years seems no different. I'm curious to see how CLU plays under pressure or if they fall behind early in games. It seems that if that happens they tend to get frustrated and fall apart.

Conference is only 3 days away!!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 06, 2010, 03:35:51 PM
Quote from: DIIIghetto on January 06, 2010, 12:58:16 PM
Kats does seem to pull the rope-a-dope out on everyone in the SCIAC.  If Oxy was watching the game last night against Emerson, no doubt they will be lulled into a false sense of overconfidence that could be just enough for Kats to get 2 all-important SCIAC wins against the Tigers.  But where Kats is just too shortsighted in that rope-a-dope is that it guarantees him road games if they get the bid.  Then we all have to come to this board and listen to the Hen fans talk about how they get screwed in the seeding.  No, Kats screws them in the seeding by not playing against Emerson the same way he will against the Stags.  

Your theory may very well be true, but the loss to Emerson would not be a valid example of it. Emerson is not an in-region opponent for the Sagehens, and the loss is thus irrelevant for seeding purposes should Pomona-Pitzer make the tourney.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: John Gleich on January 06, 2010, 04:00:08 PM
Quote from: Titan Q on January 06, 2010, 02:39:15 PM
Quote from: PointSpecial on January 06, 2010, 02:11:51 PMAs an aside, concerning the SCIAC's non-con schedule, I think the NWC model of non-con scheduling might do them some good.  The NWC scheduled 10 games against the WIAC (though only 1 against the MIAC, so it may be an abnormal year)... the SCIAC, none.  The MIAC had 3 SCIAC games.  I know that it's really, really tough, especially in this economy to fly a team half way across the country, but Whitworth did come to WI, and both Stevens Point and Whitewater went to the northwest. 

Thoughts?


Point, do you mean it would be good for the SCIAC to schedule more games vs the WIAC simply from the standpoint of improving in Massey?  Or do you mean from a D3 primary criteria perspective (in-region winning %, strength of schedule, etc)?

LOL, no, not just for improving Massey... though I can certainly see how, based on my post, it could seem like that!

I meant in terms of getting regional, D-III games.  The NWC and WIAC have seemed to make a concerted effort to play each other this year (heck, they played the same number of times that the WIAC and MIAC played).

Maybe I'm off base... I haven't followed the SCIAC's non-con schedule in prior years (though I do remember Cal Lutheran knocking off Point a couple years ago in Cali), and I know they get their snowbird teams, like Wheaton, Hamline, and Monmouth at CLU and Wheaton playing P-P. 

Quote from: OxyBob on January 06, 2010, 02:44:17 PM
Quote from: PointSpecial on January 06, 2010, 02:11:51 PM
As an aside, concerning the SCIAC's non-con schedule, I think the NWC model of non-con scheduling might do them some good.  The NWC scheduled 10 games against the WIAC (though only 1 against the MIAC, so it may be an abnormal year)... the SCIAC, none.  The MIAC had 3 SCIAC games.  I know that it's really, really tough, especially in this economy to fly a team half way across the country, but Whitworth did come to WI, and both Stevens Point and Whitewater went to the northwest. 

Thoughts?

Not happening.

OxyBob

But why not?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 06, 2010, 04:24:20 PM
Quote from: PointSpecial on January 06, 2010, 04:00:08 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 06, 2010, 02:44:17 PM
Quote from: PointSpecial on January 06, 2010, 02:11:51 PM
As an aside, concerning the SCIAC's non-con schedule, I think the NWC model of non-con scheduling might do them some good.  The NWC scheduled 10 games against the WIAC (though only 1 against the MIAC, so it may be an abnormal year)... the SCIAC, none.  The MIAC had 3 SCIAC games.  I know that it's really, really tough, especially in this economy to fly a team half way across the country, but Whitworth did come to WI, and both Stevens Point and Whitewater went to the northwest. 

Thoughts?
Not happening.
But why not?

Money and logistics. SCIAC teams won't agree to a home-and-home with WIAC teams. If the WIACers want to get out of Wisconsin in December and come here, then you might see some SCIAC-WIAC match-ups. Otherwise no.

Quote from: stag44 on January 06, 2010, 03:27:06 PM
I'm curious to see how CLU plays under pressure or if they fall behind early in games. It seems that if that happens they tend to get frustrated and fall apart.

I'm surprised that CLU didn't have a better nonconference season. With their lineup I figured them to be 12-1 or 11-2 rather than 7-6.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: John Gleich on January 06, 2010, 05:51:47 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 06, 2010, 04:24:20 PM
Quote from: PointSpecial on January 06, 2010, 04:00:08 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 06, 2010, 02:44:17 PM
Quote from: PointSpecial on January 06, 2010, 02:11:51 PM
As an aside, concerning the SCIAC's non-con schedule, I think the NWC model of non-con scheduling might do them some good.  The NWC scheduled 10 games against the WIAC (though only 1 against the MIAC, so it may be an abnormal year)... the SCIAC, none.  The MIAC had 3 SCIAC games.  I know that it's really, really tough, especially in this economy to fly a team half way across the country, but Whitworth did come to WI, and both Stevens Point and Whitewater went to the northwest. 

Thoughts?
Not happening.
But why not?

Money and logistics. SCIAC teams won't agree to a home-and-home with WIAC teams. If the WIACers want to get out of Wisconsin in December and come here, then you might see some SCIAC-WIAC match-ups. Otherwise no.
OxyBob

That's more my thought, to be honest.  I don't know of any home-and-home agreements with the NWC, but I guess it's possible.  Logistics just make it very difficult.

I think it was laudible for the NWCer's to go on the road... Puget Sound played two at UW Oshkosh (one against the hosts, one against Eau Claire), Pacific Lutheran came to Platteville, and George Fox went to River Falls and a MIAC school.  The WIAC has been forced to do it for years, because many of the local schools are tired of getting beat up.  But with these economic times, I don't see that being an every-year occurance.  I just hope that we don't get to a situation where teams are forced to do what WIAC football has mandated for either next year or two years from now... they're going to play a conference opponent for a non-con game.  Now, football's got a lot more guys but they also have a much more condensed season (in term of overall contests).

La Verne did go to Hawai'i and P-P went to St. Louis... but those are the only trips I see other than in-state and a few up north to Oregon/Washington.  Is that right?  You could come to the lovely shores of the Wisconsin River... and do a Polar Bear swim!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 07, 2010, 01:18:59 PM
Article in the Boston Globe about Pomona forward Justin Sexton:

Sexton at home on West Coast (http://www.boston.com/sports/colleges/articles/2010/01/03/sexton_at_home_on_west_coast)

OxyBob

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldchap on January 07, 2010, 02:37:41 PM
Quote from: fhsutiger on January 06, 2010, 10:47:18 AM
it is getting old listening to you explain the fact that Chapman is the strongest team in our area. There NOT!!! So get over it!

fhsutiger, you're going to have to explain this statement to me, because with Chapman's record of 15-1 against the SCIAC over the last two years, the one defeat suffered by one point, I just don't see it.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fhsutiger on January 07, 2010, 02:58:20 PM
Okay...I will explain it. This is how I look at it. While Chapman is a good team, and I do believe that they would place in the top 5 of our league, I just don't believe they are the best in our area. You play everyone in our league during our leagues non-conference schedule, so you don't get our team's best play.

Usually our teams in our league usually hit there peak around the middle of January. I will tell you this, you play Cal Lu, Oxy, Pomona, and CMS in January and February and I guarantee you don't go 4-0 against the top 4 in our league. You may go 2-2 if you're lucky. I'm not trying to take away from what Chapman has accomplished; I'm just saying they won't win in the second half the season in our conference like they do in their independent schedule. Cal Lu isn't Southwestern, CMS isn't West Coast Baptist, Pomona isn't Santa Cruz, and Oxy isn't La Sierra.

The competition isn't the same, and our teams won't play you the same way twice. Our coaches do a good job of taking things away from you and learning from their mistakes if they lose the first time. Hell, Pomona is a teddy bear in the fall and a Beast in January and February. Coach Katz always finds a way to get his kids to play at a different level in conference play. You already know how good CMS is, give them another month to play and I don't think it will end up a 1 point game.

So you beat CMS in their first game last year and you have beat everyone in the SCIAC this year except Oxy, which is something to be proud of I guess...but I guarantee you wouldn't have beat CMS in February last year when they were playing at a high level and winning the SCIAC tournament.

Oxy Bob, Stag44, or anyone else that would like to add anything to what I have explained to oldchap, feel free to chime in. I don't think I am wrong in believing that while Chapman would be a tough competitor in our league, they are not the best team in our area.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 07, 2010, 04:15:39 PM
Quote from: fhsutiger on January 07, 2010, 02:58:20 PM
Oxy Bob, Stag44, or anyone else that would like to add anything to what I have explained to oldchap, feel free to chime in.

The overall record of the D-III teams Chapman's played so far is 37-49. Of the 37 wins, nine are against La Sierra and one is against Caltech. oldchap brays about how well Chapman has done against the SCIAC, which is a wholly less than mediocre 25-32 against D-III, and doesn't have one team even sniffing the D3hoops Top 25. Last night Chapman got its own win against Caltech. Chapman actually intentionally purposely scheduled a game against a team which oldchap described as "the worst team in D3 basketball according to the Massey Ratings." Now that's the way to improve your SOS! Year after year Chapman plays no one and beats no one. Not even the snowbirds will agree to play them, so they're stuck playing game after game against La Sierra and schedule filler like Southwestern (which is 1-13, with its lone win against La Sierra).

Anyway, how can anything oldchap says be trusted? Just the other day he said "I promise to go away now," but he's still here, so here's a guy who doesn't even keep his promises.

Now on to the important stuff:

Quote from: fhsutiger on January 04, 2010, 01:43:14 PM
Here is the SCIAC Schedule for this Saturday:

Pomona-Pitzer @ La Verne   (PP by 15)
Redlands @ Claremont-Mudd-Scripps   (CMS by 12)
Caltech @ Cal Lutheran (Cal Lu by Who knows...30)
Whittier @ Occidental  (Oxy by 4)  

Concur. Pomona, Claremont, Cal Lutheran and Oxy get wins.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on January 07, 2010, 05:17:14 PM
Quote from: fhsutiger on January 07, 2010, 02:58:20 PM

Oxy Bob, Stag44, or anyone else that would like to add anything to what I have explained to oldchap, feel free to chime in. I don't think I am wrong in believing that while Chapman would be a tough competitor in our league, they are not the best team in our area.


I can say personally, we wanted another shot at Chapman last year during the NCAAs. While we had a pretty successful preseason, by the end of the season, we were a far better team and far different than what you saw opening night.

This year will be the ultimate litmus test i guess: It seems like Champan will get a bid (barring a major letdown or mass suspensions) and will most likely face off against a SCIAC team, with the winner going up to Spokane and facing Whitworth (who looks even better than last year!).

You keep bringing up this "just 1 point loss". From what I remember, CMS controlled most of the second half of that game even ballooning the lead to 11 at one point.

Anyways onto the more important SCIAC season!
Should be a fun and exciting first weekend!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldchap on January 08, 2010, 01:25:15 PM
FACT: in the last two years, Chapman had 16 wins and only 1 loss against all SCIAC teams. Anything else is rationalization, excuses, fluff and speculations.

FACT: Chapman last year was 399th in terms of strength of schedule (out of 401 teams) and it's not going to be that much better this year. Not me, not Dahlby, not anyone has disputed that. Ever. In fact, Dahlby called it "shameful".

However, you are using this fact to conclude that Chapman must be a weak team or at least not as good as the best teams in the SCIAC. I'm sorry but there is no correlation between a team with a very high winning percentage and a weak schedule, and its actual rank or strength. This is called a failure to distinguish between correlation and causality.

This argument will be settled if and when Chapman gets into the playoffs. End of story.

By the way, good luck to all of you, my SCIAC friends, for the upcoming season! I'm personally rooting for CMS, but... may the best team win.  ;D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: nwhoops1903 on January 09, 2010, 01:26:22 AM
An NWC board member here who does not drop in at the SCIAC board much till you guys make your annual pilgrimage north for the NCAA Tournament.  However, I always love reading whatever OXY BOB has to say.  I do have a solution to the Oxy-Chapman feud.  Whitworth gave out big money to bring Wisconsin schools to Spokane this year.  I didn't get to attend the games as I am in Seattle but they were good to watch on the web (maybe the SCIAC could web broadcast???)  Anyhow I digress.... Chapman and OXY come play Whitworth in Spokane.  I will email the Whitworth coaches and see what they say about paying for their trip.  Why don't you guys suggest it to the Chapman and Oxy coaches?  It would be nice to have some in region pre-season games up here.  Also, UPS has a pre-season tournament they could come up to that on the same trip or same idea.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 09, 2010, 01:12:06 PM
Quote from: nwhoops1903 on January 09, 2010, 01:26:22 AMIt would be nice to have some in region pre-season games up here.  Also, UPS has a pre-season tournament they could come up to that on the same trip or same idea.

Sister Mary Nonconference says, "What did I tell you about using the term 'pre-season' improperly, nwhoops1903?"

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Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: nwhoops1903 on January 09, 2010, 08:41:16 PM
Yes a well deserved slap over the wrist by (ROFL) Sister Mary Nonconference is deserved GS.  I hadn't made that error all season..back to the beginning! 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CMSfan on January 10, 2010, 01:14:21 AM
Eyewitness report from Claremont

Stags 77, Redlands 62

Box Score: http://www.cmsathletics.org/sports/winter/mbkb/2009-10/stats/UR-CMSM.HTM (http://www.cmsathletics.org/sports/winter/mbkb/2009-10/stats/UR-CMSM.HTM)

A nice win for the Stags, though Redlands put up a good fight, mostly thanks to a huge night from Pat Coffey.  CMS had a few double digit leads, but Coffey kept pulling Redlands back into striking distance until the last 10 minutes, when the Stags pulled away for good.

This was the first time I saw CMS live this year, and for the most part I liked what I saw.  I think the Stags' biggest strengths are their balance and their depth.  Everyone in the starting lineup contributed and, even without Connor Faught available, they still went 3-4 deep on the bench without much drop off in the overall level of play from the bench.  At 6'9", FR Greyson Blue is a formidable sub for big man Patrick Lacey.  FR Kevin Sullivan also hit a couple big threes off the bench, as did returner Beau Heidrich.  The starting lineup was solid throughout, though they all really picked it up the second half.  The Stags defense overall didn't seem as suffocating as in the past, but I think they are improved offensively and on the boards.  They'll be tough to beat.

As for Redlands, well, they'll be competitive, but I can't see them as a top 4 team in SCIAC.  They're undersized and they lack depth, though they can put points on the board and they play hard.  If Coffey and Matt Dietrich both have good nights, they could take down a top team in SCIAC.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 10, 2010, 12:32:17 PM
Eyewitness report from Eagle Rock:

Oxy 71, Whittier 57

Oxy got its conference season off to a good start with a 71-57 win over Whittier. The Tigers started quickly and built a 16-2 lead after 5 minutes on some hot shooting by Eric Leider and a lot of poor communication and unforced errors by the Poets. After Whittier closed to 18-9 on Khalid Boyd's 3-ball, Oxy ran off 8 straight and led 26-9 at 7:20. The Poets turned up their defense and pressed Oxy in the front court for the last 4 minutes of the half, got a couple of baskets off steals, and cut Oxy's lead to 31-21 at the half.

In the second half Oxy's lead stayed around 10 until about 14:30, but Deshun McCoy made 6 of the next 8 Oxy points, and it was 52-34 at 8:40. The Tigers seemed to have a safe lead, but the pesky Poets wouldn't die and a 13-2 run cut it to 54-47 with 5 minutes to go, but that was as closed as Whittier would get. After trading baskets, Oxy scored the next 6, led 62-49, and cruised home from there.

Oxy spread the wealth around nicely. Huston Conti had 14 points and 11 rebounds, Deshun McCoy had 14 points and 7 rebounds, Sean Anderson scored 13 and had 8 rebounds, Jack Hanley had 13 points and 6 assists, and Eric Leider scored 8 and had 6 assists. For Whittier, DaMon Perry had an outstanding game with 18 points and 14 rebounds, Drew Menez had 19, and David Hayashi scored 10. Oxy outrebounded Whittier 45-32.

Oxy is 9-3, 1-0 SCIAC, Whittier is 6-5, 0-1.

Tough week coming up for Oxy as the Tigers face Claremont at home on Wednesday and are @ Cal Lutheran on Saturday, while Whittier is @ Pomona, which escaped with a 78-72 OT win @ La Verne, and the Poets are then home to ULV on Saturday.

Quote from: nwhoops1903 on January 09, 2010, 01:26:22 AM
It would be nice to have some in region pre-season games up here.  Also, UPS has a pre-season tournament they could come up to that on the same trip or same idea.

It would be nice to have more preconference games in the Pacific Northwest. That would be my preference. But money concerns always predominate, and precious resources are protected. Although the NWC is a preeminent conference and the SCIAC would derive prestige from playing preconference games with the NWC, there's no persistent previous precedent, so I don't think you'll see SCIAC teams peregrinate to the NWC for pre-SCIAC games any time soon.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fhsutiger on January 11, 2010, 03:16:55 PM
Congrats to the Stags on their Win against Redlands Saturday night. I am happy to see the boys playing at a high level to start off the SCIAC schedule. CMS travels to Oxy on Wednesday night which I believe will come down to who can win the turnover battle. If we can take care of the ball, I believe the Stags can wear down the tigers. We must compete on the boards, and slow down Oxy in the transition game,and if we do I believe the Stags can win on the road. Oxy is playing at a very high level, and will give the Stags a very tough game. Stags win by 3!!!!  Good luck Stags!!!

Conference Standings:
CMS                        1-0
Oxy                         1-0
Cal Lutheran           1-0
Pomona Pitzer        1-0
Whittier                  1-0
Redlands                1-0
LaVerne                  1-0
Caltech                   1-0

Here is the upcoming schedule for Wednesday night:

Redlands @ Caltech (UR by 20)
CMS @ Oxy (CMS by 3)
Whittier @ PP (Whittier by 3)
Cal Lutheran @ LaVerne (CLU by 5)

(4-8) Redlands  Conference 0-1
Matt Dietrich 13.1 pts/game
Pat Coffey 12.3 pts/game  (33 pts Sat. night vs. CMS)
Offense is scoring 79 pts./game
Defense is giving up 80.3 pts./game

(0-12) Caltech  Conference 0-1
Mike Edwards 21.2 pts/game
Ryan Elmquist 13.5 pts/game
Offense is scoring 51.8 pts/game
Defense is giving up 71.8 pts/game

(9-3) Claremont Mudd Scripps   Conference 1-0
Chris Blees  16.6 pts/game 8.3 rebs/game
Conner Faught   10.8 pts/game
Offense is scoring 68.2 pts/game
Defense is giving up 63.3 pts/game

(9-3) Occidental College    Conference 1-0
Huston Conti  15.5 pts/game  4.8 rebs/game
Deshun McCoy  15.0 pts/game  7.7 rebs/game
Offense is scoring 71.0 pts/game
Defense is giving up 69.0 pts/game

(6-5) Whittier College   Conference 0-1
Drew Menez  21.8 pts/game  5.3 rebs/game
David Hayashi  14.3 pts/game
Offense is scoring 79.8 pts/game
Defense is giving up 78.5 pts/game

(3-4) Pomona Pitzer   Conference 1-0
Justin Sexton  17.7 pts/game  10.0 rebs/game
David Liss  15.4 pts/game
Offense is scoring 71.3 pts/game
Defense is giving up 76.1 pts/game

(7-5) Cal Lutheran Univ.  Conference 1-0
Kyle Knudsen  15.7 pts/game
Greg Grimm 13.6 pts/game
Offense is scoring 72.6 pts/game
Defense is giving up 66.8 pts/game

(4-8) Laverne Univ.   Conference 0-1
Austin Napolitano  13.3 pts/game  5.0 rebs/game
Matt Heyd  10.4 pts/game 5.4 rebs/game
Offense is scoring 70.8 pts/game
Defense is giving up 70.5 pts/game

Good luck to everyone!   Go STAGS!!!!!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on January 11, 2010, 10:15:36 PM
Even though Chapman isn't in the SCIAC, I wanted to let you know that Justin Riley's latest blog post is available for your reading pleasure.

http://d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2010/01/11/chapmans-resolution/
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 11, 2010, 10:48:00 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on January 11, 2010, 10:15:36 PM
Even though Chapman isn't in the SCIAC, I wanted to let you know that Justin Riley's latest blog post is available for your reading pleasure.

http://d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2010/01/11/chapmans-resolution/

Red flag, meet bull. ;)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: nwhoops1903 on January 12, 2010, 03:05:33 AM
Oxy Bob,

Thanks for the reply.  I actually got a reply back from the Whitworth coaching staff.  I was told , "We have offered both of them 15 roundtrip airfares and lodging.  Chapman said we won't go anywhere cold and OXY said you are too good".  I don't think they would make that stuff up.  Read it closely it almost sounds comical.  I am sorry but the SCIAC will never get any respect with that kind of courage.  Oh well, it was a good idea.  I hope the Pirates can keep hosting them in March.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 12, 2010, 02:22:57 PM
Quote from: nwhoops1903 on January 12, 2010, 03:05:33 AM
OXY said you are too good

I could write a long reply to that, cite sources, post quotes, etc., but instead I'll just say this: Baloney, hogwash, bunk, BS, hooey.

As for the "courage" crack, in 2008 Oxy played at Whitworth without its starting center and had an 8-point lead in the second half before finally losing to the Pirates, who were 10-1 at home that season. That's courageous enough for me.

Speaking of courage, that was mighty brave of Whitworth last season to play 1-24 Caltech, and in 2008 to schedule games against 1-24 Caltech and 3-23 UC Santa Cruz, but not as courageous as the 2007 squad which played 1-24 Caltech and played 2-21 UC Santa Cruz TWICE. Who does Hayford's scheduling for him, Chapman?

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 12, 2010, 02:33:02 PM
Your usual screed barely merits a response, but I will point out that Whitworth has two more WIAC teams on its schedule than most West Coast schools have on theirs. They also traveled to the two-time defending national champs for a tournament.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on January 12, 2010, 02:41:38 PM
OXY BOB,

Leave Chapman scheduling situation off your excuse list for the Southern California team's (including Chapman) non-scheduling of NW teams. I have it from very reliable sources that Oxy refuses to play CU and that CU will play any SCIAC team anywhere, anytime, any place. Check with your coaches and ask them for yourself.

Granted, the CU schedule leaves a lot to be desired, but it is not from a lack of effort on our coach's part. It is a lack of response from some SCIAC coaches. Look at the Oxy schedule this year and you will see why pool c bids are not tossed your way very often, if at all. I have to agree with Pat this time.

And what is this about 2008 and you played tough, you have contradicted yourself (refer to CU one point loss to CMS, you lost , CU lost, move on!

Cheers, Dahlby
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 12, 2010, 02:49:49 PM
Quote from: dahlby on January 12, 2010, 02:41:38 PM
I have it from very reliable sources that Oxy refuses to play CU

Comment:

Quote from: OxyBob on January 12, 2010, 02:22:57 PM
Baloney, hogwash, bunk, BS, hooey.

Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 12, 2010, 02:33:02 PM
Your usual screed barely merits a response, but I will point out that Whitworth has two more WIAC teams on its schedule than most West Coast schools have on theirs. They also traveled to the two-time defending national champs for a tournament.

Bully for Whitworth and their travel budget.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 12, 2010, 02:50:06 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 12, 2010, 02:33:02 PM
Your usual screed barely merits a response, but I will point out that Whitworth has two more WIAC teams on its schedule than most West Coast schools have on theirs. They also traveled to the two-time defending national champs for a tournament.

Not just WIAC teams, Pat: UW-Stevens Point and UW-Whitewater, the creme de la creme of the WIAC. Jim Hayford of Whitworth and Skip Noon of Wisconsin Lutheran are the only two head coaches in the country who had the cojones to schedule both the Pointers and the Warhawks for this season. (The other seven WIAC head coaches don't really have a choice in the matter.) Plus, the Lopata tourney at Wash U was not only hosted by the two-time defending national champions, it also featured one of the more highly-ranked teams in NAIA-1, McKendree. (Props to Coach Katsiaficas of Pomona-Pitzer for stepping into that lion's den of a tournament as well.)

But, hey, why acknowledge this year's Whitworth schedule when we can focus instead upon that highly-relevant 2006-07 sked that the Pirates played? ::)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 12, 2010, 02:59:11 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 12, 2010, 02:50:06 PM
But, hey, why acknowledge this year's Whitworth schedule when we can focus instead upon that highly-relevant 2006-07 sked that the Pirates played?

Wow, that one coming from the expert of pedantic priggish posts which perpetually punish posters for the highly-irrelevant use of "preseason" instead of "nonconference" when everyone else on Earth knows exactly what they mean.

Keep 'em coming.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on January 12, 2010, 03:26:36 PM
Be careful OXYBOB, it is cold in the Midwest this time of year and sometimes it takes a while for things to sink in. Give 'em a break!

What would Mr. Sager call Chapman's schedule? All non-conference? (And don't tell me weak or any other similar terms).
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 12, 2010, 03:30:49 PM
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Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 12, 2010, 03:31:54 PM
Quote from: dahlby on January 12, 2010, 03:26:36 PM
What would Mr. Sager call Chapman's schedule? All non-conference?

No-conference.
Non-schedule.
Anti-conference.
All-Sierra.

Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 12, 2010, 03:30:49 PM
"Sciac Street is brought to you today by the letter 'P' ... you little #(*%)>@&#s!

<Flipping you the Big Bird.>

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cmsme on January 12, 2010, 05:11:23 PM
I am looking forward to watching/listening to the Oxy CMS game Wednesday night.  It looks like Oxy has live video.  Does anyone know how, or if it works?
Do you pay money to watch?  Do you have to watch it live, or do they archive all their games?  Is there a limit to the number of people who can watch live?  If the video doesn't work, is there any trick to listening to the live audio. 

I think it will be an interesting game.  There is no school, so the guys should be well rested and ready to play.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 12, 2010, 05:26:44 PM
Quote from: cmsme on January 12, 2010, 05:11:23 PM
I am looking forward to watching/listening to the Oxy CMS game Wednesday night.  It looks like Oxy has live video.  Does anyone know how, or if it works? Do you pay money to watch?  Do you have to watch it live, or do they archive all their games?  Is there a limit to the number of people who can watch live?  If the video doesn't work, is there any trick to listening to the live audio. 

I don't see a link to a video feed for the CMS game. Where do you see that? If it's on KadyTV.com then there's no cost to watch it. Otherwise you can listen to the game on oxybroadcast.com with Craig Dunkin aka tigersports on the mike.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on January 12, 2010, 05:33:35 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 12, 2010, 03:31:54 PM
<Flipping you the Big Bird.>
He left himself wide open for that. ;D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 13, 2010, 12:22:10 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 12, 2010, 02:49:49 PM
Bully for Whitworth and their travel budget.

Wisconsin came to them.

And meanwhile, bully for Pomona-Pitzer as well.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on January 13, 2010, 02:18:59 AM
I do the audio broadcasts.  Just go to www.oxybroadcast.com and click one of the 78 "listen live" links and we'll have the broadcast.  You may even get to hear OxyBob.

As for video, we tried it once, but I have not heard from them yet as to whether we're gonna try it again.  For now, you have just our "words eye view."  Enjoy.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: nwhoops1903 on January 13, 2010, 02:47:47 AM
I will be in SCIAC country Friday night, anyone want to get a game and a beer?  lol 

Which game should I definitely not miss?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: West Coast Bias on January 13, 2010, 02:55:49 AM
A few interesting topics being discussed...

As far as I know, most SCIAC teams don't fly during the season very often.

Redlands flew to play at Union last season, their only flight in the past 5 years.
CMS flew to play in the Northwest this year, and at Wash U. 2 years ago.
Pomona-Pitzer flew to Wash U this year.  Their last flight was to Wash U. 3 years ago.
Cal Tech flew to Texas in 2005.
Oxy last flew to UTEP in 2005.
Cal Lu flew to Hawaii in 2008, and 2006
La Verne has taken a flight to Colorado, Hawaii, and the Northwest in the past 3 seasons.
Whittier last flew to Hawaii in 2008.

So it looks like most of the SCIAC teams only take one flight every few years.  Maybe its just me, but if I only got to fly once every few years, Spokane WA and Stevens Point WI would not be my top choices.

Unfortunately as some people know, just because a school like Whitworth offers to pay for flights and lodging, doesn't necessarily mean that a school can just go.  There are other issues, such as gender and program equity, that come into play when dealing with these issues.  It would be nice if all teams had to worry about was "respect" and "courage" as nwhoops says.



Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 13, 2010, 12:30:28 PM
Tonight's schedule, all games 7:30 p.m.:

Whittier (6-5, 0-1 SCIAC) @ Pomona (5-7, 1-0)
Claremont (9-3, 1-0) @ Oxy (9-3, 1-0)
Redlands (4-8, 0-1) @ Caltech (0-12, 0-1)
Cal Lutheran (7-5, 1-0) @ La Verne (4-8, 0-1)

Quote from: nwhoops1903 on January 13, 2010, 02:47:47 AM
I will be in SCIAC country Friday night, anyone want to get a game and a beer?  lol 

Which game should I definitely not miss?

Unlike the NWC, SCIAC games are on Wednesdays and Saturdays.

Saturday's schedule:

Pomona @ Redlands
Oxy @ Cal Lutheran
Claremont @ Caltech
La Verne @ Whittier

If you're still around on Saturday, Oxy @ Cal Lutheran is the best game of the four.

Quote from: West Coast Bias on January 13, 2010, 02:55:49 AM
Unfortunately as some people know, just because a school like Whitworth offers to pay for flights and lodging, doesn't necessarily mean that a school can just go.  There are other issues, such as gender and program equity, that come into play when dealing with these issues.  It would be nice if all teams had to worry about was "respect" and "courage" as nwhoops says.

Indeed.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on January 13, 2010, 12:57:22 PM
It is my understanding that Whitworth offers similar incentives to women programs as well.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Still Can Play!!! on January 13, 2010, 02:08:33 PM
I've been reading all the mess in here between oxybob and I guess a few chapman fans, and I thought I would finally chime in.  ??? ??? Every team in the SCIAC needs chapman to do well.  If they are all going to play them each year, then at least it helps your non-conference (not pre-season; pre-season is in october) schedule and strength of schedule.  Its been know and no secret that chapman's schedule is something to be desired, but look at it from another angle.  They play all they can against the SCIAC and then they go into their own "conference" against other independents.  This could be solved if the SCIAC schools would be like some other conferences across the country and play a non-conference game within the conference season.  For as long as I've followed D3 hoops, I've never seen this happen.  That probably would allow chapman to play someone else in November and December instead of a SCIAC school and drop some of the other non-D3 games to fill their schedule and not have to play UCSC Five times and La Sierra 4 times to finish their schedule.

Oxybob your right.........I can't believe i'm saying it...........(the your right part), but chapman's schedule is weak and could be improved, but they would have to be flying all over the place during this time of the year to get games.  I can't wait until you get your program, so we can see your scheduling.  Oxy (or any D3 team) plays the D1 for funding their budget.  Sorry they over looked you for the SC job, or sc jobs.  Kevin O'Neil or Lane don't have anything on you!!!   ::)

did you apply to chapman and get denied or something, because the chip on your shoulder is very ugly.  this site is great, but when you argue back and forth so ugly and not making good points, it takes away from all the fun of being in here.  There are some great, or really good programs out here.  Kats and Scam do a great job over in pomona/ cms and Newhall and Rider/Dains over at Oxy and CLu.  Chapman has proven that they have a good program because regardless when the game is played, they have been successful against the SCIAC.

Stepping down off my soap box now.    ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on January 13, 2010, 02:50:14 PM
I don't think OXYBOB has a chip on his shoulder..........it is more like a log!!!!!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 13, 2010, 02:51:59 PM
Quote from: Still Can Play!!! on January 13, 2010, 02:08:33 PM
this site is great, but when you argue back and forth so ugly and not making good points, it takes away from all the fun of being in here. 

You'd have done well to have taken English 254. Or read Mad magazine.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on January 13, 2010, 02:55:41 PM
OXYBOB, how did you do in reading?....It was MADD Magazine.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 13, 2010, 03:06:06 PM
Quote from: dahlby on January 13, 2010, 02:55:41 PM
OXYBOB, how did you do in reading?....It was MADD Magazine.

Mad:

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MADD:

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What, me worry?

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on January 13, 2010, 03:08:39 PM
And OxyBob gets to hit another softball out of the park. ;D ;D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on January 13, 2010, 03:26:53 PM
OXYBOB...go ahead and delete my 2 karma. This is the last time I listen to my wife! She is now back in the kitchen.

That softball was softer than Oxy's schedule!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 13, 2010, 03:40:54 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on January 13, 2010, 03:08:39 PM
And OxyBob gets to hit another softball out of the park.

Almost as easy as beating La Sierra 4 or 5 times a season.

Quote from: dahlby on January 13, 2010, 03:26:53 PM
This is the last time I listen to my wife! She is now back in the kitchen.

Quote from: dahlby on January 04, 2010, 01:55:05 PM
My wife gives you an "A"

She's all right by me.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fhsutiger on January 13, 2010, 03:47:42 PM
Quote from: Still Can Play!!! on January 13, 2010, 02:08:33 PM
This could be solved if the SCIAC schools would be like some other conferences across the country and play a non-conference game within the conference season.  For as long as I've followed D3 hoops, I've never seen this happen. 

While I agree in some of your points, one I have to discuss is your idea that the SCIAC teams take time to play Chapman while in Conference play. The SCIAC schools play every Wednesday and Saturday nights in conference play. When did you plan on us playing Chapman?
The point I want to make is this: Chapman is just going to have to figure a way to play better teams in the Spring semester! I don't know how they are going to do this, but they need to either A....play a tougher non-conference schedule, or B beg and plead for the SCIAC teams to allow them in our conference. I think option A will happen while in my lifetime.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etule on January 13, 2010, 04:47:27 PM
This is truly cheap entertainment,and very funny to boot! Came to catch up on basketball and Oxy Bob had me have to get my dictionary .  ;D

I think tonights games will give a more clear picture of what is going on in league. I excited to listen tonight and Saturday. Go Tigers!!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldchap on January 13, 2010, 04:59:14 PM
Quote from: fhsutiger on January 13, 2010, 03:47:42 PM
Chapman is just going to have to figure a way to play better teams in the Spring semester! I don't know how they are going to do this, but they need to either A....play a tougher non-conference schedule, or B beg and plead for the SCIAC teams to allow them in our conference. I think option A will happen while in my lifetime.

Nah... At the rate Chapman is growing, they'll be Division I before either of these will happen ...and that could be sooner than you think!! Then you SCIAC people can watch us on TV. And there won't be a debate about our strength of schedule anymore.  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on January 13, 2010, 05:03:11 PM
Quote from: oldchap on January 13, 2010, 04:59:14 PM
Quote from: fhsutiger on January 13, 2010, 03:47:42 PM
Chapman is just going to have to figure a way to play better teams in the Spring semester! I don't know how they are going to do this, but they need to either A....play a tougher non-conference schedule, or B beg and plead for the SCIAC teams to allow them in our conference. I think option A will happen while in my lifetime.

Nah... At the rate Chapman is growing, they'll be Division I before either of these will happen ...and that could be sooner than you think!! Then you SCIAC people can watch us on TV. And there won't be a debate about our strength of schedule anymore.  ;D ;D ;D
That sounds good.  What sports will be scholarship?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 13, 2010, 05:18:35 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on January 13, 2010, 05:03:11 PM
Quote from: oldchap on January 13, 2010, 04:59:14 PM
Quote from: fhsutiger on January 13, 2010, 03:47:42 PM
Chapman is just going to have to figure a way to play better teams in the Spring semester! I don't know how they are going to do this, but they need to either A....play a tougher non-conference schedule, or B beg and plead for the SCIAC teams to allow them in our conference. I think option A will happen while in my lifetime.
Nah... At the rate Chapman is growing, they'll be Division I before either of these will happen ...and that could be sooner than you think!! Then you SCIAC people can watch us on TV. And there won't be a debate about our strength of schedule anymore.  
That sounds good.  What sports will be scholarship?

Great, then Chapman can fill out its schedule every season with 4 or 5 games against Cal State Bakersfield, SIU-Edwardsville, and North Carolina Central.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on January 13, 2010, 06:11:46 PM
They will have to PAY Oxy to play them. :o
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TeeDub on January 14, 2010, 01:14:52 AM
Quote from: fhsutiger on January 13, 2010, 03:47:42 PM
Quote from: Still Can Play!!! on January 13, 2010, 02:08:33 PM
This could be solved if the SCIAC schools would be like some other conferences across the country and play a non-conference game within the conference season.  For as long as I've followed D3 hoops, I've never seen this happen. 
The SCIAC schools play every Wednesday and Saturday nights in conference play. When did you plan on us playing Chapman?

The day before the Caltech game might be an option...not much prep or rest required for that game.  In fact, it might be a chance to get the primary players some action since the bench will likely be cleared in the game against the Beavers.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 14, 2010, 01:17:21 AM
Quote from: oldchap on January 13, 2010, 04:59:14 PM
Quote from: fhsutiger on January 13, 2010, 03:47:42 PM
Chapman is just going to have to figure a way to play better teams in the Spring semester! I don't know how they are going to do this, but they need to either A....play a tougher non-conference schedule, or B beg and plead for the SCIAC teams to allow them in our conference. I think option A will happen while in my lifetime.

Nah... At the rate Chapman is growing, they'll be Division I before either of these will happen ...and that could be sooner than you think!! Then you SCIAC people can watch us on TV. And there won't be a debate about our strength of schedule anymore.  ;D ;D ;D

Size doesn't determine what division you're in. This isn't high school.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D O.C. on January 14, 2010, 11:06:36 AM
Quotebut when you argue back and forth so ugly and not making good points, it takes away from all the fun of being in here.
And spurred you to make your first post.

QuoteNah... At the rate Chapman is growing, they'll be Division I before either of these will happen ...

And you can bring back your floating campus where the gals can run around the deck in their underwear more often than once a year.

Hey! Just kidding each other with no disrespect.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on January 14, 2010, 11:21:36 AM
Results from Wednesday

CMS d. Oxy 66-58

CMS was led by Chris Blees (18pts, 8rebs, and 5assts), Jason Toney, and Patrick Lacey. They jumped out on Oxy early, leading by as many as 18 in the first half, settling for a 34-21 halftime lead. Coach Newhall and Oxy came ROARING back in the second half though, cutting the lead down to 4 in what seemed eerily similar to their first meeting last year where Oxy stole one in the Temple of Doom. However, Jason Toney came up huge, hitting a 3, getting a layup and an assist off an O-board to push the lead back to 9. From there CMS remained up by 6-10 for the rest of the game.

Oxy was led by Sean Anderson and Leider with 15 each, but seemed out of rhythm for the whole first half.

On a side not, GREAT to hear Oxy Bob on the call last night!

PP d. Whittier 75-73 (ot)

PP escaped again with an OT win AT Whittier. From their recap, it looks like down 3 with 5 seconds to go, Justin Sexton grabbed an offensive rebound and passed out to Dave Liss who hit a 3 to tie it up and send it to overtime.

Some MONSTER games from players in this one: Justin Sexton had 21 and 19 for PP, and Drew Menez had 33 points while DaMon Perry added 14 and 12.

ULV d. CLU 66-61

In the surprise of the night, ULV beat CLU at the SuperTent. From the box score, it looks like the Leopards controlled the game all night leading for almost the entire game.

Something must be bothering Andy Meier as he only played 19 minutes and had 4 points. They were kept in the game by Greg Grimm who had 24 as well as Aron Van Klaveren, Kyle Knudsen who had 13 each.

For ULV, they were paced by Austin Napolitano who had 18 and 7 and Trevor Woodland who went for 16.

Looks like La Verne could cause some issues in Conference, taking PP to OT and beating CLU

Redlands d. CalTech 96-64

In the last game of the night, Redlands beat up on CalTech.


Looks like there is some serious parity in Conference this year and each Wednesday and Saturday teams will be slugging it out. I think 11-3 will win conference this year!

Current SCIAC Standings:

CMS  2-0
PP     2-0
ULV   1-1
CLU   1-1
OXY   1-1
UR    1-1
WC   0-2
CIT   0-2
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fhsutiger on January 14, 2010, 11:34:18 AM
Eyewitness Report from Occidental:

It was good to see you BOB, I enjoyed the Butt whooping we put on your boys last night...Interested in what you thought of the game?

The Stags improve to 10-3 on the season and 2-0 in conference play as the CMS Stags defeated the Occidental Tigers 66-58 in Eagle Rock last night. In the first 6 minutes of the game, the Stags jumped out to a 12-3 lead with a stellar defensive performance. The Tigers had trouble against the Stags in the first half shooting 6-22 from the field for 29%, and 3-10 from the 3-point line. The Stags outrebounded the tigers in the first half 19-11 with 5 coming on the offensive end. The Stags shot 12-23 for 52.2% from the field, and 4-9 from the 3-point line. The Stags led at the break 34-21.

In the second half, the Tigers came out in the second half ready to play. The Tigers were able to get the score within in 4 points at the 12:40 mark at 43-39, but never got any closer the rest of the game. The Stags would then go on an 11-2 run to open the lead to 54-41 with 9 minutes left behind great defense and layups by Chris Blees and Joey Anderson. Although Oxy would get within six points with 1:42 to play, the Stags converted 5-for-6 free-throws down the stretch and the Tigers' shooting continued to be slightly off despite having ample opportunities.

Chris Blees, the 2009 SCIAC Player of the Year, scored a game-high 16 points, adding a team-high eight rebounds and five assists for CMS. Jason Toney had a solid night all around for CMS tonight as well with 13 points, five assists, five rebounds and four steals. Seniors Mike Bagby and Conner Faught combined for 17 points and 6 rebounds to give the Stags that outside punch. The biggest contribution tonight, came from Junior Patrick Lacey, So. Joseph Anderson and Fr. Greyson Blue who controlled the lane for the majority of the night. Patrick Lacey has continued to improve and had a great night from the field.  Lacey contributed 12 points, 4 rebounds, and 3 assist.

For Occidental College Eric Leider and Sean Anderson finished with 15 points collectively. Deshun McCoy poured in eight points and came away with a game-high 10 rebounds. Anderson and Leider had six rebounds apiece.

CMS (10-3, 2-0) will travel to Pasadena, Calif. on Saturday to take on the Caltech Beavers (0-13, 0-2) who were defeated by Redlands 96-64 in Pasadena. Tip-off is scheduled for 7:30 pm following the women's game at 5:00 pm.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 14, 2010, 11:55:57 AM
Quote from: fhsutiger on January 14, 2010, 11:34:18 AM
It was good to see you BOB, I enjoyed the Butt whooping we put on your boys last night...Interested in what you thought of the game?

Claremont was the better team on both ends. Oxy was simply not able to penetrate the Stags' defense with any consistent effect. It's a thing of beauty to watch Claremont play defense. In the first half Oxy spent most of it passing the ball around the perimeter, as Claremont set up a virtual force field that kept Oxy from getting any dribble penetration or getting the ball into the block or getting any good outside looks from the wing. Except for a 5 minute, 13-3 stretch in the second half where Oxy cut Claremont's lead from 40-26 to 43-39, CMS dominated. After Oxy got it down to 4, Jason Toney got a layup and a 3-ball and an assist, and the lead was back to 9 just like that. Jack Hanley led the Tigers' charge in the second half, but when he fouled out with about 4 minutes left and Oxy down 6 that pretty much sealed Oxy's fate.

Claremont also had a specific mission to stop Sean Anderson and Hanley. The Stags triple-teamed Anderson almost every time he had the ball, and CMS harassed Hanley enough that he wasn't able to get going. Claremont also displayed vastly superior bench strength, as they played 10 guys while Oxy only played 7. Heck, Beau Heidrich and Ben Bergsma, who've played in 11 and 10 games, didn't even get in for CMS.

On the positive side for Oxy, Deshun McCoy and Eric Leider both had some good moments, and Sean Anderson ended up with 15 despite being swarmed by maroon jerseys all night.

A disappointing loss for Oxy, but on to the next game against Cal Lutheran, which like Oxy must be smarting after losing to La Verne.

OxyBob

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D O.C. on January 14, 2010, 01:04:00 PM
Now that was dull.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 14, 2010, 01:45:37 PM
Quote from: D O.C. on January 14, 2010, 01:04:00 PM
Now that was dull.

Hey, Operation Market Garden didn't work either because of a failure of tactical initiative. Time to fall back and redeploy. This skirmish was lost but the battle is joined!

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on January 14, 2010, 04:19:46 PM
There has been mention regarding Chapman's future intentions of what division they will  be a part of. in the future. Let it be known that Chapman intends to stay in Division D3. CU would like to play more games against the SCIAC, or possibly join the conference if asked, but in the meantime will do the best they can with the opportunities they are presented with for scheduling.

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fhsutiger on January 14, 2010, 04:44:41 PM
Quote from: dahlby on January 14, 2010, 04:19:46 PM
There has been mention regarding Chapman's future intentions of what division they will  be a part of. in the future. Let it be known that Chapman intends to stay in Division D3. CU would like to play more games against the SCIAC, or possibly join the conference if asked, but in the meantime will do the best they can with the opportunities they are presented with for scheduling.

I don't know about you, but if I was an athlete on that team I would want to move up in Divison and secondly I would want to be in a conference. Wouldn't you want a chance to play in a conference championship and play better teams than La Sierra and West Coast Baptist among others.
The SCIAC isn't goin to happen, so forget that. Pray that you move up in Division or join a conference somewhere. That's your best bet!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on January 14, 2010, 05:32:45 PM
I am not implying that Chapman should or should not change divisions. I also am not in a position to speak for the athletes as to what our they would want from sports vs an education. Different students go to different schools for different reasons.

I made my comments only to clear the air and not to participate in that conversation.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on January 14, 2010, 09:39:07 PM
Quote from: fhsutiger on January 14, 2010, 04:44:41 PM
Quote from: dahlby on January 14, 2010, 04:19:46 PM
There has been mention regarding Chapman's future intentions of what division they will  be a part of. in the future. Let it be known that Chapman intends to stay in Division D3. CU would like to play more games against the SCIAC, or possibly join the conference if asked, but in the meantime will do the best they can with the opportunities they are presented with for scheduling.

I don't know about you, but if I was an athlete on that team I would want to move up in Divison and secondly I would want to be in a conference. Wouldn't you want a chance to play in a conference championship and play better teams than La Sierra and West Coast Baptist among others.
The SCIAC isn't goin to happen, so forget that. Pray that you move up in Division or join a conference somewhere. That's your best bet!

If I had a choice between D-III an D-II and was serious about the school part, I would always opt for D-III.  While the competition in D-II is better, chances are you're playing a bunch of commuter schools -- the dreaded "directional schools" (NW Missouri St.), "States that aren't states" (Bemidji St.) and hyphenated school (Cal-State-Dominguez Hills").  Chapman WAS D-II when Walt Hazzard was there and it looks like they're better-suite to D-II.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 14, 2010, 09:43:04 PM
Quote from: tigersports on January 14, 2010, 09:39:07 PM"States that aren't states" (Bemidji St.)

Bemidji is a state of mind. ;)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 14, 2010, 10:42:20 PM
Quote from: fhsutiger on January 14, 2010, 04:44:41 PM
Quote from: dahlby on January 14, 2010, 04:19:46 PM
There has been mention regarding Chapman's future intentions of what division they will  be a part of. in the future. Let it be known that Chapman intends to stay in Division D3. CU would like to play more games against the SCIAC, or possibly join the conference if asked, but in the meantime will do the best they can with the opportunities they are presented with for scheduling.
I don't know about you, but if I was an athlete on that team I would want to move up in Divison and secondly I would want to be in a conference. Wouldn't you want a chance to play in a conference championship and play better teams than La Sierra and West Coast Baptist among others.

Chapman forward Justin Riley said in his blog (http://d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2010/01/11/chapmans-resolution):

QuoteAs most teams in America start conference play, we continue our independent non-conference battle against other Division III independents, NAIA, and NCCAA opponents. I couldn't wish more than to be in a conference and to experience that atmosphere, but that's not the case.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on January 15, 2010, 12:53:01 AM
As I mentioned in my previous post, I can't speak for what our CU student athletes would like, and I have no intention to do so. In his post Justin, a fine young student athlete, expressed what he would like. But, my post was in reference to previous posts expressing a view of what they THOUGHT Chapman was going to do. My intention was to correct that posting, which was to say that at this time Chapman has NO plans to move from D3. Other posters have expressed their personal opinion of what Chapman SHOULD do, in the posters opinion. That is fine, as we all are free to have an opinion. But, I was only correcting posts regarding what has been expressed and attributed to CU staff.
I hope this clears the air.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D O.C. on January 15, 2010, 01:10:45 PM
Quoteit looks like they're better-suite to D-II

Does that give them a better shot at the Suite Sixteen?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fhsutiger on January 15, 2010, 01:46:28 PM
Upcoming SCIAC Schedule for Saturday

All games scheduled for 7:30 p.m.

Pomona Pitzer @ Redlands
CMS @ Caltech
Occidental @ Cal Lutheran
LaVerne @ Whittier

Predictions:
Redlands def. PP by 6
CMS def. Caltech by 25
Cal Lutheran defeats Oxy by 3
Whittier def. LaVerne by 6
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 17, 2010, 01:23:46 AM
Eyewitness report from Thousand Oaks:

Oxy 72, Cal Lutheran 65

Oxy got a very satisfying road win at Cal Lutheran.

CLU got off to a quick start and led 10-0 after 2-1/2 minutes. Oxy steadily fought back and took the lead 22-21 on Deshun McCoy's jumper at 5:45. The Tigers took the lead for good at 28-25 on Eric Leider's 3-ball, and Oxy led 38-29 at the half.

In the second half, Oxy led 54-45 at 9:50. CLU cut it to 58-55, and Andy Meier's jumper made it 61-57, but Oxy scored the next 6 on 3 FTs followed by a huge dagger-to-the-heart 3-ball by Peter Gierlach, and Oxy led 67-57 with 2:15 to go. Kyle Knudsen canned a 3-pointer to cut the lead to 5, but Jack Hanley answered right back with a 3-ball, and Oxy got a well-earned road win.

For Oxy, Hanley had 19, Huston Conti had 15, Deshun McCoy continued to impress with 11 points, 10 rebounds, 4 assists, 3 steals and 2 blocks, and Sean Anderson scored 10. Great work off the bench by Dave Ostrow, Jake Copithorne, and especially 22 tough minutes by Peter Gierlach.

For CLU, Greg Grimm played an outstanding game with 19 points, Mr. Steady Kyle Knudsen had 17, Andy Meier scored 16 and had 8 rebounds, and Aaron Van Klaveren pulled down 16 rebounds including 7 offensive boards.

The Tigers shot 57% FGs in the first half and 49% for the game, and were 8-for-13 on 3-pointers. CLU outrebounded Oxy 33-30, but hurt themselves by making only 5-for-13 FTs in the second half, and 10-for-21 for the game.

Kudos also to the Oxy women's team, who not only won their game over CLU 72-69, but thoroughly neutralized the Kingsmen student section with some well-placed smack. One of the bare-chested CLU fans with a big "I" painted on his chest was unpolitely told to "do some push-ups," and after Aaron Van Klaveren clanged a FT, he was told by the Oxy girls, "Hey, they're FREE!"

With the win, Oxy is now 10-4, 2-1 SCIAC, while Cal Lutheran falls to 7-7, 1-2.

Saturday night's other SCIAC scores:

Claremont 77, Caltech 43
CMS: Chris Blees 19, Beau Heidrich 11
CIT: Mike Edwards 13, Alex Runkel 12

Whittier 81, La Verne 67
WC: DaMon Perry 21 pts and 11 rebs, Josh Deanne 20, Drew Menez 18, David Hayashi 12
ULV: Trevor Woodland 18, Austin Napolitano 15, John Leggett 12, Matt Heyd 10

Redlands 63, Pomona 60
UR: Pat Coffey 14
PP: Justin Sexton 15, Shawn Stephan 12, Adam Chaimowitz 11

Wednesday's schedule, all games 7:30 p.m.:

Redlands  (6-8, 2-1 SCIAC) @ Whittier (7-6, 1-2)
Pomona (6-8, 2-1) @ Cal Lutheran (7-7, 1-2)
La Verne (5-9, 1-2) @ Claremont (11-3, 3-0)
Caltech (0-14, 0-3) @ Oxy (10-4, 2-1)

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on January 20, 2010, 10:05:30 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 17, 2010, 01:23:46 AM
Wednesday's schedule, all games 7:30 p.m.:

Redlands  (6-8, 2-1 SCIAC) @ Whittier (7-6, 1-2)
Pomona (6-8, 2-1) @ Cal Lutheran (7-7, 1-2)
La Verne (5-9, 1-2) @ Claremont (11-3, 3-0)
Caltech (0-14, 0-3) @ Oxy (10-4, 2-1)

OxyBob

Predictions for tonight:

Whittier d. Redlands by 12 - Look for a high scoring game in the 70s or 80s with Whittier led by Menez and Perry, while Redlands counters with Coffey and Deitrich

Pomona d. Cal Lu by 4 - CLU has been the dissapointment of the SCIAC this year, returning everyone from last year as well as a healthy Andy Meier, but have struggled to put it together. Pomona is always tough and with the veteran trio of Sexton, Liss and Chaimowitz, they'll make the long drive to CLU and pull out a win.

CMS d. La Verne by 9 - The most impressive part of the Stags since Christmas has been their Defense. They have held opponents to under 53ppg in their last 6 games. With thier D clicking like the Stags of old and their explosive offense where Blees, Toney, Faught, Bagby, Lacey can all go for 20 on any night, look for them to throttle La Verne. La Verne is paced by Austin Napolitano and Trevor Woodland as well as PG Leggat. They have played well at points (challenging Chapman twice) and also played poorly (losing to La Sierra!). The key for the Stags will be to take them out of the game early and not let them stay close into the second half.

Oxy d. CalTech by 29 - CalTech looks to have a competitive second half against a SCIAC team, but wont happen here. They are led by Ryan Elmquist and Mike Edwards who take and account for a bulk of their offense. Oxy is led by Conti, Anderson, and McCoy. Should be a game that Newhall can look for another body on the bench to help out their cause.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on January 20, 2010, 08:53:52 PM
Is this board broken?  Where is everyone?  (Crickets)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on January 20, 2010, 09:03:52 PM
Quote from: tigersports on January 20, 2010, 08:53:52 PM
Is this board broken?  Where is everyone?  (Crickets)
Why read?  Your excellent discussion and broadcast last week during the CMS/Oxy game covered everything we talk about here.  OB even had many good things to say about Chapman.   I'm hoping for a repeat performance this week. :)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CMSfan on January 21, 2010, 01:13:26 AM
Eyewitness report from Claremont

CMS 76, La Verne 61

Box Score: http://www.cmsathletics.org/sports/winter/mbkb/2009-10/stats/ULV-CMS.HTM (http://www.cmsathletics.org/sports/winter/mbkb/2009-10/stats/ULV-CMS.HTM)

In a game marred by atrocious officiating, CMS bounced back from a 9 point halftime deficit to win by 15.  Blees led the way with 24, and 5 other Stags contributed 7-9 points each.  John Leggett led La Verne with 20.

CMS looked out of sync throughout the first half, and La Verne managed to claw their way to a halftime lead with good shooting and aggressive defense.  Once the second half began though, it was clear that the Stags are the superior team.  La Verne was outmatched, and once CMS took the lead and regained momentum, they never looked back.

Other thoughts:
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 21, 2010, 10:17:01 AM
Eyewitness report from Thousand Oaks:

Pomona 68, Cal Lutheran 66

Adam Chiamowitz's 3-pointer at the buzzer gave Pomona the win at Cal Lutheran.

In the first half, Pomona led 24-15 at 6:50, but CLU outscored the Sagehens 20-10, including 3 straight 3-balls by Jayvaughn Nettles, and the Kingsmen led 35-34 at the half.

In the second half, Pomona led 52-45 at 12:50, but back came CLU again with 2 more 3-pointers by Nettles, and Kyle Knudsen's layup gave Cal Lutheran a 64-58 lead at 5:20. CLU led 66-65 after Pomona's Donald Okpalugo made a layup at 2:50, and that's how it stayed until the end. CLU's Gregg Grimm missed the front-end of a 1-and-1 with 13 seconds left, and PP's Justin Sexton got the rebound. David Liss brought the ball upcourt for Pomona but got tangled up with the CLU defenders, and a held ball was called with the possession arrow pointing Pomona's way with 1.8 seconds left. After discussion the refs changed the clock back to 2.5 seconds to go. Sexton brought the ball in to Shawn Stephan, who got it to Chiamowitz in the corner, and his high, arching rainbow swished through as the buzzer sounded.

For Pomona, Chiamowitz finished with 18 points, Sexton had 20, and David Liss scored 11. For CLU, Grimm had 21, Nettles had 15 on 5-for-6 3-balls, and Kyle Knudsen had 10.

Pomona is 7-8, 3-1 SCIAC, Cal Lutheran is 7-8, 1-3.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 22, 2010, 01:24:04 PM
Saturday's schedule, all games 7:30 p.m.:

Caltech (0-15, 0-4 SCIAC) @ Pomona (7-8, 3-1)
Whittier (7-7, 1-3) @ Claremont (12-3, 4-0)
Cal Lutheran (7-8, 1-3) @ Redlands (7-8, 3-1)
Occidental (11-4, 3-1) @ La Verne (5-10, 1-3)

Huge game @ Redlands for Cal Lutheran, which has lost three straight for the first time since 05-06, and two straight home conference games, which is never good. Prediction: Redlands

La Verne started CLU's slide, so Oxy better be ready to go. Prediction: Oxy

A victory for Whittier in the Temple of Doom is not in the forecast. Prediction: CMS

Pomona has two OT wins and a buzzer beater in conference play. Caltech has lost 291 straight SCIAC games. Prediction: Pomona

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on January 22, 2010, 02:53:18 PM
great win for the Stags on Wednesday. They showed some fight, coming from 9 back at half to win going away. The 2nd half showed how dominant they can be, imposing their will on defense and scoring at will, but the first half also exposed some flaws that Scali will be sure to patch up.

Blees is just a nightmare for opposing SCIAC coaches, especially with his improved perimeter shooting. As we approach the midway point of league, Blees will begin to see lots of different defensive looks to keep him off balance and on his heels. Pomona will sag off him and force him to be a jump shooter. Whittier will look to bring 2 at him when he drives. CLU will get physical and try to bully him around the court. It will be interesting to see how he reacts to these different looks. I think he'll embrace them and understand the right plays to make.

But, by loading up against Blees, it gets no easier with the likes of Faught, Bagby, Lacey, Toney, Anderson, Davis.. etc.

As for this weekend:

CLU @ Redlands - If the two teams were 1-3 and 3-1 respectively going into this matchup, not many would have thought CLU would be 1-3 and Redlands was 3-1. Redlands has been effective this year led by Coffey and Deitrich, while the Kingsmen are searching for an identity, even though they return their entire squad. Its very unlike Coach Rider to not have his team playing well at this point in the season. CLU will be looking for revenge after getting thumped in the Lee Fulmer Tournament by Redlands earlier in the year. Currier Gym will be ROCKING on Saturday night, and I think Redlands pulls out a close one 71-66

Whittier @ CMS - The last time Whittier came to CMS, they staged a furious rally after trailing throughout the game only to come up short against the Stags. Anyone who was in the gym that day remembers the absolutley absurd lob that Jeff Mclean threw down to kick start the rally. If you didn't here is the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kGovVPYQ9E (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kGovVPYQ9E)
Regardless, the Stags are playing wonderful basketball right now, and are impressively playing excellent defense. On Saturday night Ducey will be ready for the game and i see the Stags winning comfortably 72-59

OXY @ ULV - Another interesting game, where its always tough for the road team to come into the SuperTent and win. ULV is kicking themselves after the last two games. They were up against Whittier and CMS at the half only to self-combust in the second half getting outscored 100-57 over the 2 second halfs. Oxy is playing well and confident, but I think La Verne surprises them in a close contest 65-59


CalTech @ P-P - Pomona is riding high after a HUGE win at the buzzer AT CLU. Should be a nice easy one at Pomona, and I wouldn't be surprised to see one of the assistants across 6th street in Ducey scouting for the big game on Wednesday. Pomona wins with easily 78-49
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on January 22, 2010, 07:11:21 PM
Brief report from Eagle Rock

Oxy rolled, as they usually do, to an easy win over Caltech, 83-33.  However, Eslinger is getting some guys that can actually play in there.  Whereas previous incarnations of the Beavers would struggle in an intra mural league (though always putting out more effort than their counterparts), he has a freshman class of about four guys that are legit D-III players, for the most part.  These four, along with Elmquist, will make a formidable bunch next year and stand a decent chance to break the streak.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 23, 2010, 11:28:08 AM
Quote from: tigersports on January 22, 2010, 07:11:21 PM
Eslinger is getting some guys that can actually play in there.  Whereas previous incarnations of the Beavers would struggle in an intra mural league (though always putting out more effort than their counterparts), he has a freshman class of about four guys that are legit D-III players, for the most part.  

Row Dow had Brian Hires, Travis Haussler and Matt Dellatorre, all legit D-III players, and didn't win a SCIAC game with them, though CIT came close several times. Doc Eslinger had Haussler, Dellatorre and Ryan Elmquist last season and didn't come close. Eslinger may have recruited some new players who can play, like Mike Edwards, and I would love to be there when Caltech finally breaks its interminable conference losing streak (as long as it's not against Oxy), but unless another SCIAC team falls way off in talent, and CIT catches them on an off night, I don't see Caltech winning a conference game any time soon.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CMSfan on January 24, 2010, 12:51:39 AM
Eyewitness report from Claremont:

CMS 81, Whittier 68

Box score: http://www.cmsathletics.org/sports/winter/mbkb/2009-10/stats/WC-CMSM.HTM (http://www.cmsathletics.org/sports/winter/mbkb/2009-10/stats/WC-CMSM.HTM)

This game was never close.  CMS jumped out to a 9-0 lead, led by 16 at the half, and led by as much as 24 in the second half before Whittier closed the gap in garbage time.  Blees led the way with 28 on 11-16 shooting.  Toney and Faught each had 13 and Bagby added 10.

Whittier seemed frustrated by the Stags defense for most of the game, and Drew Menez never really got anything going, ending up with 6 points.

Not much else to add really.  This Wednesday against P-P is a big one for CMS.  If they can win at Pomona, they will be in a very strong position for the rest of conference play.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 24, 2010, 02:23:57 AM
Eyewitness report from La Verne:

Oxy 71, La Verne 67

Very entertaining game. Oxy gets a hard-earned road win.

The game got off to a slow start. Six minutes in and it was only 5-5, and 13-13 at the 10-minute mark. Oxy's Huston Conti and ULV's Trevor Woodland were both hot in the first half with 10 points each. Sean Anderson's layup gave Oxy a 27-24 halftime lead.

In the second half, Conti's 3-ball gave the Tigers a 47-35 lead at 11:00, and with Oxy's smothering, switching man-to-man defense frustrating ULV, it looked like Oxy was in full control. But Woodland immediately hit consecutive 3-pointers and the Tigers' lead was cut in half. La Verne didn't stop there, and when Woodland hit another 3-ball at 6:30, the Leopards had the lead, 52-51. After the game was tied at 55, Woodland hit 2 straight again and ULV was up 59-55 at 3:00. Then came a huge play for Oxy, as Conti made a long 3-pointer and was fouled by Matt Heyd. Conti completed the 4-point play and the game was tied at 59 at 2:30. John Leggett's jumper gave La Verne a 62-61 lead, but Jack Hanley knocked down a couple of FTs, and Deshun McCoy hit a short jumper to put Oxy up 65-62 with 45 seconds left, and from there Oxy made their FTs and held on for the victory.

For Oxy, Huston Conti had 21, Jack Hanley scored 19, Sean Anderson had 12, and Deshun McCoy had 11 pts and 8 rebs. For La Verne, Trevor Woodland scored 23 on 9-for-16 including five 3-balls, and John Leggett had 13. ULV outrebounded Oxy 36-30, but the Tigers were nails at the FT line, hitting 20 out of 22.

Oxy is 12-4, 4-1 SCIAC, while La Verne is now 5-11, 1-4.

Wednesday, Jan. 27: Another big road game for Oxy, as the Tigers travel to Redlands (8-8, 4-1) to face the Bulldogs, who whacked Cal Lutheran 71-52. The Kingsmen (7-9, 1-4) have lost 4 straight and are home to Whittier (7-8, 1-4). La Verne is at Caltech (0-16, 0-5). SCIAC game of the week is Claremont (13-3, 5-0) at archrival Pomona (8-8, 4-1).

OxyBob

P.S. Thanks again to AR for the UW-Platteville t-shirt. Go Pioneers!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TeeDub on January 24, 2010, 04:29:46 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 24, 2010, 02:23:57 AM
... the Bulldogs, who whacked Cal Lutheran 71-52...

Redlands defense is looking very inspired, but I'm still challenged with the lack of success by the Kingsmen.  They have some real players.  They shot a horrible percentage last night...partly attributed to the Bulldogs 'd'.  Nonetheless, CLU is "potentially" too good to be where they are standing in the conference right now...
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on January 25, 2010, 11:40:56 AM
Very Exciting Wednesday in the SCIAC. The top-4 teams play agains each other, while the bottom 4 teams play to crawl back into the playoff picture. We have a SERIOUS divide between the two halves with CMS at 5-0; PP, OXY, and Redlands at 4-1, while CLU, ULV, and Whittier are at 1-4 with Caltech at 0-5. This Wednesday will provide some excellent matchups!

CLU gets to host Whittier College in a MUST-Win for the Kingsmen if they want any sniff at the top-4. Last time these to met at Gilbert, it was the final game of the SCIAC season, where CLU had to win to clinch a tie for the SCIAC regular season title. Things were all in place until Marcus Gibson hit a three from the left wing as time expired to defeat CLU and move them from a Tie-1st down to 4th place after a coin-toss. CLU has to come out with passion and purpose to salvage this season. I think they're going to figure it out and win going away 77-62.

Caltech hosts ULV. ULV will pressure and overwhelm the Beavers, helping them move to 2-4 on the year in SCIAC play. Easy win for the Leopards 79-44.

In the surprise matchup of the night, 4-1 Redlands hosts 4-1 Oxy. Both programs have rebounded from sub-par years in 2009 to play inspired basketball this year. Again, Currier Gym will be a tough place to play as usual, and Oxy will succumb to the Bulldogs in a close one: 61-56.

In the game of the night BY FAR, CMS travels down 6th street to play PP with first place on the line. Both teams have risen to the top of the SCIAC this year, but by different means. CMS has played exceptionally well thus far in conference, winning all their games by atleast 8pts. PP, on the other hand, have been the cardiac kids of the SCIAC, needing overtime in 2 games, and having the other two come down to the last possesion in regulation. Outside of their Caltech game, margins have been smaller than 6pts. As usual, the gym will be an incredible sight. CMS has not won at PP since the 05-06 year when they went 13-1 to win conference outright. They have struggled maintaining composure, and more importantly defending the 3. The last 4 outings there, PP have shot the 3 at an alarmingly high and accurate rate and frustrated the Stags with their sagging man-to-man as well as packed in 2-3 zone. I expect to see more of the same from Coach Kats and the Saeghens. Look for them to drop back into a 2-3 after made baskets as well as run their flex offense and high ball screens with Liss and Sexton with Chaimowitz pitched at the 3-point line. CMS must come out with controlled passion and not let the hoopla of CMS-PP and everythign that goes on around campus before the game affect their preparation and gameplan. Stags are an emotionally driven team, and with the passion that comes along with this rivalry, they need to channel it into a TEAM-centric game. As usual, I look for Blees to have a solid game, but also expect to see some good things from Faught, Lacey and Davis.

The key for the game will boil down to the Stags Defense, more specifically, can they flatten Liss out and defend the ball screens with Sexton. Sexton has developed into a load, both from the perimeter and as a post presences. He enjoys trailing and spotting up from 3 in transition when he is guarded by a 5 that runs to the paint. Liss has made a killing off ball screens, either pulling up for a mid-range jumper, or getting to the rim. Stags will have to contain this all while staying home against Chaimowitz and other 3pt shooters.

As usual it will be a GREAT atmosphere and a close game. I see the Stags breaking their drought at Pomona and winning in a defensive battle 58-52.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cmsme on January 25, 2010, 06:03:44 PM
Will it be possible to listen to the CMS/Pomona game Wednesday night? 
On the schedule, there is usually "LIVE STATS" and 'AUDIO" in red.
But, for this game, there is nothing next to the scheduel, so does that mean there will be no audio?

Basketball question (please excuse my ignorance):  How does a coach decide which type of defense to use?  When would PP use man to man and when would they use 2-3?  And why would PP switch?
And what kind of defense do you think CMS will use?

Thank you.  I love reading all these posts.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on January 25, 2010, 07:37:44 PM
Quote from: cmsme on January 25, 2010, 06:03:44 PM
Will it be possible to listen to the CMS/Pomona game Wednesday night? 
On the schedule, there is usually "LIVE STATS" and 'AUDIO" in red.
But, for this game, there is nothing next to the scheduel, so does that mean there will be no audio?

Basketball question (please excuse my ignorance):  How does a coach decide which type of defense to use?  When would PP use man to man and when would they use 2-3?  And why would PP switch?
And what kind of defense do you think CMS will use?

Thank you.  I love reading all these posts.

The game will be @ P-P, so there will not be audio, video or live stats. The Saeghens are still lacking the technology  ;).

For defensive coaching: There are alot of moving parts that go into a defensive choice. First and foremost is your own personel. Do you have athletic bigs? Do you have athletic wings? How strong and tough are your guards and post? How quickly can your bigs rotate to help? Depending on the construct of your team, there are different defenses that will work best. For teams that are similar 1-5, a switching man-to-man that is agressive and trappy would work best (similar to West Virginia this year). For teams with tough guards and bigs, a physical man-to-man would work best. For teams that are long, not necessarily as phsyical, a zone type D would work best. Note that zones require much more time in practice to perfect as there are nuances and principles that are far different than the man principles.. the MOST important part to any zone is communication, followed by urgency. People often assume that its easier to play zone than man becuase you just stay in one area, but if you want to play a GOOD zone you have to me almost more active than in a man.

The next facet that you will look at is who your opponent is. For teams that shoot the lights out, you'll want to work in a man more times than not. The zone will allow for too many holes and allow shooters to get lost behind the defense or in a blind spot of the zone. The only type of zone that may prevent this is a match-up 1-2-2 or 3-2 zone. For teams that are more inside and penetration oriented, you'll want to play zone. Zones will often times make teams passive and just swing the ball around the horn. The key to defeating any zone lies in getting the ball to the free throw line or short corner as thats where you will get the zone to mutate and expose its holes. By getting the ball to the free throw line, you cause confusion on who will match up there as well as probably cauing all 5 guys to turn their heads to the ball. This will allow for the guards to flatten out and corners to slash to the basket. The short corner can also cause confusion because there is a choice on who should cover it becasue if the middle man in the 2-3 covers him, then the high post will slide to the rim for a layup.

The final thing with zone and man is simply using one to enhance the other and throw the other team off its rhythm. When a team is used to a type of defense they can get into a flow and with streaky shooting teams this can get dangerous, so its important to shift back and forth so teams are unsure of what to expect each time.

I think PP will go into 2-3s after makes because it is much easier to drop back into a zone after a made basket. You can get to your spots and not worry about transition matchups. They've been known to do this to the Stags the last 4 years so they don't have to guard the motion and screening game that the Stags use so effectively. Also, they do it to save the legs of their guys. Running around screens for 25 seconds really wears down teams, and so Kats may do it for that reason as well. Also, they don't think the Stags can shoot the ball that well, and will live with Stags shooting 3s and jumpshots.

I don't know what type of D the Stags will run. Scali usually has his hard nosed man-to-man, and given the match-ups I think they will play man.

Toney vs Liss - I think the game will be decided in this matchup. Liss makes PP go and does alot of the playmaking for them. Reminds me alot of how Deron Williams plays. He is a scoring point guard who will play alot of pick and pop/roll with Sexton, as well as run thier stuff precisely. When he plays well they are tough to stop. Agains WashU earlier this year, he singlehandedly kept them in the game the first 12 minutes, scoring at will of ball screens on a wide array of 3s, pull ups and drives. Toney is an incredible defender when he sets his mind to it, but also has to keep his emotions in check and not get frustrated. Given the magnitude of this game, there are bound to be plenty of mistakes made on emotion and adreneline and the team who can composed themselves and forget about them will prevail. Toney will have to lead the team defensively by controlling Liss off ball screens, so others wont have to jump to help leaving open 3s. Offensively he will have to quickly recognized the defense Pomona is in and get the Stags into their stuff accordingly. Pomona will not let him beat them off the drive, so it will be key for Toney to make plays off the bounce rather than trying to score. There will be help coming to him everytime he beats Liss of the dribble, so the second pass out of this double will hurt Pomona.
I also really like Shane Davis and what he's brought to the table this year. He could be the dark horse of this game, when all is said and done (Similar to David Brown in the 07-08 year, being a nobody and then torching the Stags in the SCIAC finals for 18)


Bagby/Faught vs Chaimowitz - Probably 3 of the top 5 pure shooters in the SCIAC right here. The tandem of Bagby and Faught has been lethal this year, and there has yet to be a game where they are both hitting on all cylinders. When this happens... watch out. Chamowitz is a known Stag killer and lives for the big games (minus the SCIAC championship last year). If left open, hes as automatic as they come in the SCIAC and it will be important that the Stags located him early in transition and dont provide help off him in the half court. He is slow off the bounce and struggles to create his own shot, so he does rely on Liss and Sexton to get him the ball off penetration or double teams. The Stags have to take advantedge of Chamowitz's slow feet on defense and challenged him to contain penetration and move his feet around. He does not play much D, and can be exploited.


Blees vs Sexton - This will be an AWESOME matchup. I highly doubt they will be guarding each other, but you have the 2 BEST players in the SCIAC this year. Both are averaging over 17 and 8 and simply causing havoc for opposing defenses. Justin is a 6'9 forward who could always shoot, but now is embracing his role as a Big and becoming more physical in the paint. Blees has built off his POY campaign from last year and shown that he is the toughest cover in the SCIAC, if not the West Coast. If Blees can limit his turnovers and quickly recognize the types of defenses Kats will throw at him, the Stags will be very tough to beat. Knowing Kats, he'll make Blees beat them with the pass not scoring. I have a feeling they will send two at Blees once he puts it on the deck and force him to pass. Given his size and speed, Blees will also have see who is guarding him. If he gets Kael or Colin on him, then going to the block will give him and advantedge, while if Justin or Shawn get switched onto him, beating them off the bounce will be there for the taking. Sexton will have to carry the load in the paint for the Saeghens and provide them will an inside presence. Even if Blees or Anderson is matched up on him, there will be an advantedge on the block.


Lacey/Blue vs Stephan/Okpalugo- I think this is where the Stags HAVE to go to win. Lacey has stared to impose himself on the Conference this year. He is a load on the block, and once he starts going into contact on EVERY move, he'll be impossible to guard. The Stags have to establish Lacey early, build foul count, and impose their physicality and will on the Saeghens in the paint. The more physical and rugged the game, the more I like the Stags. Lacey also has to stay out of foul trouble on the other end. Blue is a serviceable backup big, but he's still a freshman, and itll be his first CMS-PP game. Stephan and Okpalugo are solid 5s that wont make mistakes and will take what the Defense gives them. They'll pick up the scraps and dumpoffs and knock down the open jumpshots. This is a MAJOR area that the Stags should exploit.

Anderson vs Kristof/Reinstedt - This is the biggest wildcard of the night. It pitts the defensive stoppers of each team. I see Anderson locking horns with Sexton and Kael/Colin taking on Faught or Blees depending on matchups. PP wants to be physical with Blees on the drive, but will also allow him to shoot at will from the outside. So, they'll probably give Blees a look of a guard sometimes, and then bring Sexton over to guard as well. Im sure theyll keep him on his toes. Kael and Colin are both, average shooters but somehow find a way to put in a few big 3s againts the Stags at home. I'll expect the same from them in 2 nights as well. Kael is a physical guard who wants to do his damage on the block especially if someone like Faught or Davis is guarding him. They look for him down there as well to set up the plate for Chaimowitz and Liss to spot for 3. Anderson could be the most improved player in the conference. He's broken out of his shell and exploded as a defensive stopper and energizer. The kid is probably the most athletic guy in the SCIAC. He is an All-SCIAC hurdler and was an all-state track athlete in HS. He will be all over the floor on Wednesday trapping and wreaking havoc. I could see the Stags pulling out a few tricks with him as well.

As always in any of these CMS-PP games, there will be some unsung hero who comes through unexpectedly. Who it is often times will decide the game. Again, the most vital part to it all will be who keeps their composure and executes the game plan. Both Scali and Kats have coached this over 25 times and know each other inside out, and will be prepared, but it comes down which players grasp the gameplan and execute it for 40 minutes, regardless of the fans, cheers, and emotions involved in this HUGE early season SCIAC game.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CMSfan on January 25, 2010, 08:02:14 PM
Nice post, stag44.  Gives me goosebumps just thinking about the game!

I'll be interested to see what the crowd is like.  CMC is hosting a major speaker on Wednesday, so a lot of fans won't be able to get down to the game until 8:00 or so.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cmsme on January 25, 2010, 11:40:29 PM
Wow. 

I hate not being able to listen to the game, buy your analysis almost makes up for no AUDIO.
Very exciting, and easy to understand.
thank you.

I am keeping my fingers crossed--go Stags.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 25, 2010, 11:58:30 PM
Strength of Schedule (http://www.d3hoops.com/salem/10/sos.htm) numbers are out, and they are embarrassing for the SCIAC:

201 Pomona .502
144 La Verne .497
170 Whittier .492
264 Claremont .481
317 Redlands .462
336 Caltech .448
345 Cal Lutheran .448
392 Occidental .428

410 D-III teams are ranked.

Quote
The Division III tournament selection committee determines strength of schedule using opponents' winning percentage and opponents' opponents' winning percentage. A team's SOS is two-thirds opponents' winning percentage (OWP) and one-third opponents' opponents' winning percentage (OOWP).

Bottom line: Who have you played, and who have you beaten? In the SCIAC's case, no one in particular.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: West Coast Bias on January 26, 2010, 01:10:01 AM
Say it ain't so Oxy Bob!!!!!

Those sandbagging Panthers from Chapman actually have a higher SOS than the mighty Tigers of Oxy????

Fortunately this travesty won't go on for long as Chapman's SOS will undoubtedly decline with their upcoming games against La Sierra and Santa Cruz...
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 26, 2010, 11:02:19 AM
Quote from: West Coast Bias on January 26, 2010, 01:10:01 AM
Those sandbagging Panthers from Chapman actually have a higher SOS than the mighty Tigers of Oxy?

The SOS numbers don't lie. As I wrote on the Bumblin' B's board, the SCIAC's been a complete dud this season. The only signature win by a SCIAC team is Pomona's win over Whitworth on a neutral court, but then again Pomona also lost to UC Santa Cruz. As for Oxy, its OWP is .399. That is not good.

As for Chapman, it's ranked No. 352 with an SOS of .455. I doubt if they'll be coming in here to brag about it.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D O.C. on January 26, 2010, 11:32:10 AM
scheduel....a clever PR term for an upcoming game between two successful rivals
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on January 26, 2010, 12:22:24 PM
What an improvement for the Chapman University team. 352 verses what, around 400 last year.
That must be unmatched in Southern California history!!!!

(I could not resist OxyBob's comment)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on January 26, 2010, 05:47:24 PM
Quote from: CMSfan on January 25, 2010, 08:02:14 PM
Nice post, stag44.  Gives me goosebumps just thinking about the game!

I'll be interested to see what the crowd is like.  CMC is hosting a major speaker on Wednesday, so a lot of fans won't be able to get down to the game until 8:00 or so.
Go to the game.  You can see Jessee Jackson just about anywhere.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CMSfan on January 26, 2010, 05:53:49 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on January 26, 2010, 05:47:24 PM
Go to the game.  You can see Jessee Jackson just about anywhere.

Oh, I'll be there.  It's been on my calendar for months!

I'm just wondering what the CMS student section is going to look/sound like during the first half.

My prediction.  CMS down 5 at the half, then goes on a 6-0 run to start the second half, igniting the late-arriving crowd and propelling CMS to an 8 point win.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 26, 2010, 06:49:06 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on January 26, 2010, 05:47:24 PM
Quote from: CMSfan on January 25, 2010, 08:02:14 PM
CMC is hosting a major speaker on Wednesday, so a lot of fans won't be able to get down to the game until 8:00 or so.
Go to the game.  You can see Jessee Jackson just about anywhere.

Jesse Jackson? What, is he part of the Famous Anachronism Speaker Series?

Article in the Ventura County Star about CLU's Gregg Grimm:

Grimm reaping rewards of more experience (http://www.vcstar.com/news/2010/jan/25/grimm-reaping-rewards-of-more-experience)

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cmsme on January 26, 2010, 08:23:53 PM
I heard that there will be an audio of the PP CMS game this Wednesday. 
There is a link in the Claremont schedule.
They won't have live stats, but it is great to have the audio.
Hopefully it will work.
;D  :o ;D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldchap on January 27, 2010, 01:39:29 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 26, 2010, 11:02:19 AM
As for Chapman, it's ranked No. 352 with an SOS of .455. I doubt if they'll be coming in here to brag about it.

OxyBob

No, there's no reason to brag about it... However, I can say this: Oxy's SOS would have looked better had they have the guts to play Chapman this season.  :D  ;D  ;)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etule on January 27, 2010, 02:03:02 PM
Oxy chose to play cupcakes University of San Diego-Cal State Fullerton- SMU not up to the caliber of Chapman but I'm sure they will work up to it someday.
I do believe they had a scrimmage with Chapman that I heard was a good game that went Oxys way.
Chapman is a good team this year! We should give them credit! They are ranked. It will all come out in the wash at the end of the season! ;D ;D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DIIIghetto on January 27, 2010, 02:13:59 PM
Chapdonger, you need to focus your energies elsewhere.  The SCIAC is a bottom-tier conference year in and year out.  We have had very few moments on the national scene (CLU beating W SP, Oxy beating Amherst & Williams, Whitworth - all at home, Oxy's Elite 8 run, fortunately PP got into the game this year with a Whitworth win on a neutral).  Outside of that, we just don't beat national caliber teams.   

But looking at the L CMS hung on your best team in a decade this year, and the L that was rumored to have been laid on you in a scrimmage against Oxy this year, nobody in this conference is running from your team.  I just did a quick search and Oxy is 5-1 against your team over the past 7 years.  Not exactly the kind of results that makes a coach duck someone. 

We'll see you in the first round of the tournament and frankly, I am glad because it will enable CMS or PP to come out of the tournament this year with 1 win and 1 loss.  Just as certain as it is that when we play the NWC on the road our boys will play shell-shocked, our coaches will make snide remarks about our being out-manned and get outcoached, we will play against Chapman like it is the red-headed SCIAC stepchild. 

   
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldchap on January 27, 2010, 05:13:42 PM
Quote from: DIIIghetto on January 27, 2010, 02:13:59 PM
We'll see you in the first round of the tournament and frankly, I am glad because it will enable CMS or PP to come out of the tournament this year with 1 win and 1 loss.     

Ha...I wouldn't even dare making such a prognosis against any team in the playoffs because it is a whole different kind of animal. One game, win or pack your bags. But OK, the gauntlet is thrown. All I can say is... Bring it on, my friend! Shall we bet a "virtual" bottle of Champagne?! Unless you're still underage, then it could be a rocky road ice-cream...  :D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldchap on January 27, 2010, 05:21:48 PM
Quote from: etule on January 27, 2010, 02:03:02 PM
Oxy chose to play cupcakes University of San Diego-Cal State Fullerton- SMU

As OxyBob would say: irrelevant! Everyone knows what the outcome of these games are going to be before the game even starts. This clearly plays a role in the minds of all players. What is the point of playing USD when even their bench can beat you with one hand tied behind their back? Better play Chapman, this helps you better understand where you are.

Quote from: etule on January 27, 2010, 02:03:02 PM
I do believe they had a scrimmage with Chapman that I heard was a good game that went Oxys way.

Pure speculation! If you ask the Chapman players they will give you the opposite answer. And who knows since no one kept score and it wasn't played as an "official" game, allowing coaches to experiment.

Quote from: etule on January 27, 2010, 02:03:02 PM
Chapman is a good team this year! We should give them credit! They are ranked. It will all come out in the wash at the end of the season! ;D ;D

Thank you for the compliment! Oxy is a great team too year in year out. This year, no one really expected them to do well, yet they're showing they are a force to contend with in the SCIAC. And so is CMS by the way. They're on top of the SCIAC and beat a ranked team...
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etule on January 27, 2010, 06:50:19 PM
If you ask the kids if they would rather play a D1 school or a D 3 school in a game it would be hands down the D1 school. For the kids it's about seeing how they stack up individually and to say they did!

It's all good and most of the D3 kids will graduate and write their own papers! A novel concept at some D1 schools.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on January 27, 2010, 07:16:11 PM
Quote from: etule on January 27, 2010, 06:50:19 PM
It's all good and most of the D3 kids will graduate and write their own papers! A novel concept at some D1 schools.
And most will end up working for their Cal Tech opponents.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on January 27, 2010, 11:08:39 PM
CMS-PP feed just cut out... last i heard it was 16-10 PP with 4 to go in the 1st half. any ideas on the feed?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TeeDub on January 28, 2010, 12:16:02 AM
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Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on January 28, 2010, 12:30:09 AM
Pomona 47 - CMS 36

Ugly offensive performance from the Stags. They were thoroughly outplayed and especially outhustled on the boards, giving up countless offensive rebounds to PP. Tough game to listen to, as it was 10-10 with 9 minutes to go in the 1st half. PP then went on a 11-3 run to end the half, leading 21-13 at the break. In the second half it was more of the same. Stags threatened cutting it to 6 with about 8 minutes to go, but could not get over the hump. In a furious rally at the end, the Stags cut it to 4 with 1:40 to go with the ball, but were unable to convert and from there it turned into a FT parade.

Almost good that the Stags got this L.. Scali will have something that he can show the Stags- showing they aren't as good as they may have thought.. Similar type of game occurred last year @PP where the Stags lost convincingly, and from there went 11-1 to close the regular season, only losing to CLU in SCIAC. The Stags have got to keep their emotions in check and maintain control of both the composure and ball. Too many turnovers and FAR too many forced shots. They have to come together after this L and realize that individually they wont beat many teams, but rather need to play as a team, pass-pass, over dribbling and forcing the issue with the bounce.

Regardless, some good came from it. Stags did show that even when they weren't scoring, they defended admirably, only giving up 47 pts. If you had told me before the game that PP only scores 47 points I would have said thats a Stag rout. Regardless, they have some good things to build on, and a whole lot to improve on.. Look for a more physical rebounding effort from the Stags on Saturday and better offensive continuity as well.

Also, give PP some credit. They frustrated the Stags with their packed in man and zone d's, causing the Stags to run into 3 and 4 defenders on every dribble drive. Would have been nice to see some sit downs from the stags to pass out to open shooters. PP controlled the game and their emotions, seemingly hitting every big shot and grabbing a big o-board when they needed to stem any momentum. The stags really could not muster up any sort of run or momentum, in large part to PPs will and execution. The rematch will be a BLOODBATH at Ducey Gym, with SERIOUS title implications.

in other scores:

Redlands 71 Oxy 70 - Looked like it was close all throughout.

CLU 65 - ULV 51  - CLU gets back in the W column convincingly

ULV 73 - CalTech 46.

So this is how the current SCIAC standings look:

CMS 5-1
P-P  5-1
UR   5-1
Oxy 4-2
ULV 2-4
CLU 2-4
WC  1-5
CIT  0-6

The top three are in a serious tie as CMS d Redlands, Redlands d PP and PP d CMS. I cant remember the tiebreaker on this, but there was a similar situation last year for CLU Whittier and PP to determine the 2-4 seeds in the tournament, and it came down to PP and CLU having to Coin toss because they had identical tiebreakers.

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CMSfan on January 28, 2010, 12:34:49 AM
stag44 posted while I was typing...but I'll go ahead and post anyway...

Eyewitness report from Claremont

PP 47, CMS 36

Box Score: Not available yet

The SCIAC race tightened up quite a bit as PP took down the Stags in a defensive battle.

Other than a brief run in the second half, CMS never really got much going offensively.  PP led 23-13 at the half.  CMS cut the lead to 4 with a minute to go, but PP made their foul shots down the stretch to win comfortably.

If I had to identify the biggest factor in PP's win, it would probably be offensive rebounding.  They dominated CMS on the boards and got some easy buckets down low, buckets that CMS didn't get (or didn't convert).  Liss and Sexton both hit some big shots, and probably led the way in scoring for PP, although I wouldn't say anyone shot the ball particularly well on either side.  Blees and Toney led the way for the Stags, though Toney really struggled for the first 25 minutes or so.  It didn't seem like CMS ever really figured out how to beat PP's zone.  Poor shooting and some uncharacteristic turnovers didn't help.

I imagine Scali and the boys are looking forward to taking another crack at PP on the other side of 6th Street.  The crowd from both teams was relatively well-behaved (and even a little subdued at times) tonight; if CMS and PP are vying for the top of the conference in a few weeks, I'm guessing it will be a slightly more intense environment at Ducey Gym.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 28, 2010, 09:20:49 AM
Eyewitness report from Thousand Oaks:

Cal Lutheran 65, Whittier 51

CLU got a much-needed win over Whittier. Great job by the CLU defenders on Drew Menez, who came into the game averaging 21.6 ppg. CLU held Menez to 8 points and made sure he never got in any sort of rhythm.

Cal Lutheran led at the half 34-24, and built the lead to 49-32 at 14:10. Whittier really amped up its defensive pressure and cut the lead to 49-42, but a 9-1 spurt by the Kingsmen made it 58-43 at 5:50 and that was all she wrote.

For CLU, Andy Meier played all 40 minutes, had a game-high and season-high 23 points on 11-for-17 FGs, and looked like the old Andy Meier opponents have come to dread. Meier also had 8 rebounds, an assist and 2 steals. Kyle Knudsen also scored 12 for CLU, and Aaron Fisher played a strong game off the bench with 9 points and 8 rebounds. CLU shot 48% and outrebounded WC 39-33.

For Whittier, DaMon Perry had 13 but no one else was in double figures for the Poets. WC only shot 32.8% for the game.

Cal Lutheran is 8-9, 2-4 SCIAC. The Kingsmen are at Claremont (13-4, 5-1) on Saturday. Whittier drops to 7-9, 1-5, and is home to Caltech (0-16, 0-7) on Saturday.

Quote from: stag44 on January 28, 2010, 12:30:09 AM
Redlands 71 Oxy 70 - Looked like it was close all throughout.

Justin Sobczyk's jumper with 9 seconds to go gave Redlands the win. Peter Geirlach's desperation 3-ball at the buzzer missed for Oxy. That's the second year in a row that Oxy's lost in UR's bandbox in the last 10 seconds.

Oxy is 12-5, 4-2, and Redlands is 9-8, 5-1. This Saturday Oxy is home to Pomona (9-8, 5-1) while Redlands hosts La Verne (6-11, 2-4).

Quote from: oldchap on January 27, 2010, 05:21:48 PM
What is the point of playing USD when even their bench can beat you with one hand tied behind their back?

Wrong yet again. In the 2007 game against USD, Oxy lost 71-62, and San Diego still had 2 starters in at the end of the game. This season against Fullerton, Oxy's starters beat CSUF's bench 40-39 in the second half.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fhsutiger on January 28, 2010, 10:38:52 AM
Eyewitness Report from Pomona:

I'm not going to go into the game to much, due to Stag44 and CMSme giving you such a detailed report. The Game did come down to Pomona's ability to pick up offensive rebound after offensive rebound. I don't think I have seen the Stags give up that many second opportunities as they did last night.

On the offensive end, the stags just couldn't put the ball in the basket. The majority of the missed opportunities were crib shots, that the stags usually convert. It just wasn't their night offensively. I have to give Pomona credit for last nights performance. They were off from 3 point, and scored majority of there baskets within 8 feet of the basket. When was the last night you could say Pomona beat CMS without drilling a thousand 3's. Congrats on the win Pomona, but remember you still have to come across the street where Stag44 says you are going to meet a "blood bath" and very hungry stag team.

The one mystery I do have about the game last night, is who is in charge of allowing a dumb Pomona football assistant to run their announcing. I don't think anyone can match his ability to give you play by play during the game from the announcing seat.  He even went so far to yell out "Press" during the game. I don't think I have ever seen that before. Watch out Stags, the announcer is giving away your tactics. Besides announcing EVERY REBOUND, EVERY SCORE, EVERY ASSIST, and constantly telling the kids to keep it clean, I could barely stand to watch the game.
Here is my idea for the Assistant Coach! (Announcer)
--No one is there to listen to you talk. Do the line-ups, announce who scores, get the pomona kids fired up a little bit, then shut your mouth. Maybe you should spend a little more time working on your football team (who needs the help) than worrying about who's listening to you.  Sorry I had to get that off my chest!!!

Stags Welcome Cal Lu on Saturday. I look forward to hearing the broadcast as our very own alumni Tejas Gala I hear will be announcing from the booth. Should be interesting! Go Stags!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 28, 2010, 11:22:26 AM
Quote from: fhsutiger on January 28, 2010, 10:38:52 AM
Besides announcing EVERY REBOUND, EVERY SCORE, EVERY ASSIST, and constantly telling the kids to keep it clean, I could barely stand to watch the game.

Obviously he's a frustrated Chick Hearn poser.

http://www.johnspeedie.com/healy/lakers.wav

OxyBob (http://www.johnspeedie.com/healy/offair.wav)

Quote from: CMSfan on January 28, 2010, 12:34:49 AM
If I had to identify the biggest factor in PP's win, it would probably be offensive rebounding.  They dominated CMS on the boards and got some easy buckets down low, buckets that CMS didn't get (or didn't convert).

According to the box score, Claremont had 13 offensive rebounds and Pomona had 11. Claremont had 25 defensive rebounds and Pomona had 38. Did Justin Sexton really have 25 rebounds? Holy cow!

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fhsutiger on January 28, 2010, 12:36:23 PM
Obviously they don't know how to record offensive rebounds, because I for sure that they had more than 11. As for Sexton... it wouldn't suprise me if he had 25 rebounds. He had is hands on everything last night. They probably gave him a rebound for every time he touched the ball, even if he didn't come down with the rebound. He was amazing last night!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CMSfan on January 28, 2010, 01:16:04 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 28, 2010, 11:22:26 AM
According to the box score, Claremont had 13 offensive rebounds and Pomona had 11.
I find those numbers surprising, but even if they're accurate, the fact remains that PP managed to get far more easy second chance baskets than CMS.  I will say that CMS did have some put back opportunities, but missed most, if not all, of them.


Quote from: fhsutiger on January 28, 2010, 10:38:52 AM
Do the line-ups, announce who scores, get the pomona kids fired up a little bit, then shut your mouth.
My thoughts exactly.  That guy was a joke.  I'm sure I found him even more annoying because our guys were losing, but I can't ever remember an "announcer" doing play by play in the middle of the action.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pineconefan on January 28, 2010, 01:25:01 PM
Willamette had a PA guy a couple years ago who was nearly as cheesy.

He was leading cheers from the mic - "Dee - fence, Dee - fence" and "Let's go Bearcats, let's go".  He must've thought he was trying out for the Trailblazers' job.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fhsutiger on January 28, 2010, 01:43:16 PM
Just tell me this....ANYONE.....

Has anyone ever been to a game where the announcer yells out!

"Press"

while the opposing team is trying to pressure full court. I about lost my breath when I heard that. He even said this, which made the official come over to correct him, which he never corrected himself. On a normal foul call, he says this.....

"Flagrant foul on number 33, I believe he is out of the game"

I was almost in Tears!!!!!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 28, 2010, 02:06:56 PM
Quote from: fhsutiger on January 28, 2010, 01:43:16 PM
I was almost in Tears!!!!!

From laughing or crying?

I can't believe Kat, Doc and PJ would approve of that nonsense. Aside from it being really, really bush, it seems to me that kind of stuff might constitute inciting undesirable crowd reaction and be subject to a technical foul.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fhsutiger on January 28, 2010, 03:02:16 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 28, 2010, 02:06:56 PM
Quote from: fhsutiger on January 28, 2010, 01:43:16 PM
I was almost in Tears!!!!!

From laughing or crying?

I can't believe Kat, Doc and PJ would approve of that nonsense. Aside from it being really, really bush, it seems to me that kind of stuff might constitute inciting undesirable crowd reaction and be subject to a technical foul.

OxyBob

I'm guessing since I know the 3 of them very well as well, that they just didn't realize it as much as the fans did. As you know the CMS-PP rivalry game is very loud, and you get lost in the game. I'm sure if they knew what was going on, it probably would have been stopped. I'm guessing he was a little more animated for this game, and probably doesn't do this on a consistent basis. Let's hope!

It's not like the kids need any help for this game, hell the bottles of water (Shhhh...don't tell the powers to be.... its not water) that is being drank during the game is enough to keep the kids active. LOL
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BUBeaverFan on January 28, 2010, 03:08:28 PM
Excuse me for crashing the board with a football story.  I thought the announcer story from earlier posts was interesting and reminded me of this:

At Bluffton University (OH) and Alma College (MI) football game a number of years ago at Alma.  When Bluffton was on offense the public address announcer would do play by play, such as "Hemmert fakes the handoff, scrambling to his left, its a screen, its a screen, its a screen to the flanker", as loud as he could.  This went on for every Bluffton offensive play the whole game.  He was of course silent when Alma had the ball.  The looks on the faces of the Bluffton football team was priceless.  The coaching staff was stunned and the officials just kind of shrugged their shoulders.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 28, 2010, 05:11:35 PM
Quote from: fhsutiger on January 28, 2010, 03:02:16 PM
It's not like the kids need any help for this game, hell the bottles of water (Shhhh...don't tell the powers to be.... its not water) that is being drank during the game is enough to keep the kids active.

Are you implying that college students were drinking during the game? That's almost as shocking as Captain Renault discovering that gambling was going on at Rick's.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fhsutiger on January 28, 2010, 05:19:25 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 28, 2010, 05:11:35 PM
Quote from: fhsutiger on January 28, 2010, 03:02:16 PM
It's not like the kids need any help for this game, hell the bottles of water (Shhhh...don't tell the powers to be.... its not water) that is being drank during the game is enough to keep the kids active.

Are you implying that college students were drinking during the game? That's almost as shocking as Captain Renault discovering that gambling was going on at Rick's.

OxyBob

Well lets just say my favorite announcer spent the first minute after the National Anthem to explain to the kids that everyone knew what was in the water bottles. He spent the two minutes showing how smart he really was. I wish he would have stopped talking after the starting lineups!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 28, 2010, 10:50:04 PM
Quote from: fhsutiger on January 28, 2010, 10:38:52 AM
I don't think anyone can match his ability to give you play by play during the game from the announcing seat. 

Sounds like my experience at a Pomona-Pitzer football game. Professionalism ... well, it was lacking there too.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fhsutiger on January 29, 2010, 11:06:44 AM
Well it had to have been another announcer then, because this Nimrod is actually an Assitant football coach!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fhsutiger on January 29, 2010, 12:39:12 PM
Games this weekend:

Laverne @ Redlands  (Redlands by 12)
Cal Lutheran @ Claremont Mudd Scripps (CMS by 8)
Caltech @ Whittier (Whittier by 25)
Pomona Pitzer @ Occidental  (Oxy by 3)

All games start at 7:30pm

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CMSfan on January 31, 2010, 02:32:03 AM
Eyewitness Report from Claremont

Stags 70, Cal Lutheran 60

Box Score: http://www.cmsathletics.org/sports/winter/mbkb/2009-10/stats/CLU-CMS.HTM (http://www.cmsathletics.org/sports/winter/mbkb/2009-10/stats/CLU-CMS.HTM)

CLU stayed in the game most of the way, even taking a one point lead a few minutes into the second half, but the Stags proved too strong in the end.

Blees once again led the way with 19 and 13.  Anderson had his best offensive game of the season with 16 points on 6-7 shooting.  He once again seemed to be everywhere on the court, tallying three steals and five offensive boards.  At one point when he subbed out, the crowd gave him ovation acknowledging his hustle play after play.  Knudsen and Meier led the way with 19 and 14, respectively.

A couple other observations:


After Oxy's victory over PP, CMS and Redlands are in 1st with 6-1 records and Oxy and PP are next at 5-2.  The second half gets off to an exciting start on Wednesday, as the Stags travel to Redlands.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 31, 2010, 04:12:03 PM
Eyewitness report from Eagle Rock:

Oxy 64, Pomona 56

Oxy led from start to finish. The Tigers were up 19-4 after 10 minutes, 27-10 at 3:00, and 30-14 at halftime. Tremendous defensive effort by Oxy as they held Pomona to 24% shooting on only 6-for-25 and 0-for-7 3s. Deshun McCoy played his best half of the season. He thwarted Pomona's 2-3 zone with great outside shooting, scored 14 and held PP's Justin Sexton to only 6 in the first half.

In the second half, the Sagehens came out firing and scored the first 7 to cut Oxy's lead to 30-21, but a Jack Hanley jumper, a 3-ball by Eric Leider, and a baseline jumper by Jack Copithorne put the lead right back to 16 at 40-24 at 16:10. After that Oxy's lead stayed between 11 and 16. As the clock ran and things got more desperate, Pomona turned up the pressure with a full court zone press, and cut the lead to 58-51 at 1:15, but Huston Conti, Sean Anderson, and Dave Ostrow hit 6 straight FTs, and Oxy got a well-earned victory.

For Oxy, Deshun McCoy had 17, Sean Anderson scored 13 and had 11 rebounds, and Jack Hanley and Huston Conti each scored 10. Great hard-nosed, all-out defense by Dave Ostrow, Peter Geirlach and Jake Copithorne. Oxy completely shut down Adam Chiamowitz, held him to only 8 points on 3-for-13, and forced him into taking a bunch of bad shots. Oxy outrebounded Pomona 36-27.

For Pomona, Justin Sexton scored 14 and had 6 rebounds, Dave Liss had 18 including three 3-pointers from way outside, and Shawn Stephan played a solid game with 12 points.

Oxy is 13-5 and 5-2 SCIAC. On Wednesday the Tigers are at Whittier (8-9, 2-5). Pomona is 9-9, 5-2. The Sagehens host La Verne (6-12, 2-5) at Rains Center on Wednesday.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on January 31, 2010, 08:42:21 PM
Quote from: CMSfan on January 31, 2010, 02:32:03 AM
Eyewitness Report from Claremont

Stags 70, Cal Lutheran 60

Box Score: http://www.cmsathletics.org/sports/winter/mbkb/2009-10/stats/CLU-CMS.HTM (http://www.cmsathletics.org/sports/winter/mbkb/2009-10/stats/CLU-CMS.HTM)

CLU stayed in the game most of the way, even taking a one point lead a few minutes into the second half, but the Stags proved too strong in the end.

Blees once again led the way with 19 and 13.  Anderson had his best offensive game of the season with 16 points on 6-7 shooting.  He once again seemed to be everywhere on the court, tallying three steals and five offensive boards.  At one point when he subbed out, the crowd gave him ovation acknowledging his hustle play after play.  Knudsen and Meier led the way with 19 and 14, respectively.

A couple other observations:


  • I think CLU has enough offense to take down anyone in SCIAC, but their defense is so porous that their record doesn't surprise me.
  • CLU's point guard seemed over-matched on both sides of the court.  It looks like he has only recently become the starter, so maybe there was an injury.  Regardless, the lack of a solid point really hurts CLU.
  • Blees is the Stags MVP, but Joey Anderson's energy, athleticism, and instincts make him just as much of a game-changer.

After Oxy's victory over PP, CMS and Redlands are in 1st with 6-1 records and Oxy and PP are next at 5-2.  The second half gets off to an exciting start on Wednesday, as the Stags travel to Redlands.

Also was able to sneak out of NYC and catch the game.

Joey Anderson has matured SO much in the last year. As a spot sup for Blees last year, we saw flashes of his energy and athleticism, but this year it is on full display. One thing that is especially awesome is his rebounding. What makes him so special is his ability to get rebounds out of his area, by this I mean tracking the ball after it hits the rim and going to get it. There were multiple occasions where he would just come from no where and simply snatch a rebound away from a flat footed CLU player. On the offensive end he really abused Meier or Van Klaverens feet of the dribble.

The Stags impressed me in this bounceback game. There were no real residual effects from the PP debacle as they came out focused and offensive. When CLU switched to a Zone and switching man to slow the Stags, they hit a little rut, but showed some steely resolve by busting the zone and then put the game away.

Very interesting matchup on Wednesday at Redlands. Preview to follow!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 01, 2010, 08:11:58 PM
This week's Strength of Schedule numbers:

093 Pomona .528
251 La Verne .472
254 Cal Lutheran .477
267 Redlands .477
280 Claremont .477
335 Occidental .459
336 Whittier .453
358 Caltech .448

QuoteThe Division III tournament selection committee determines strength of schedule using opponents' winning percentage and opponents' opponents' winning percentage. A team's SOS is two-thirds opponents' winning percentage (OWP) and one-third opponents' opponents' winning percentage (OOWP).

407 D-III teams ranked. The number at the beginning of each line is a team's rank in OWP.

For a description of the criteria used to select and seed teams in the D-III NCAA basketball tournament, go here (http://www.d3hoops.com/faq.php?question=45).

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on February 03, 2010, 02:09:39 PM
CMS @ Redlands - What a way to start the Second Half of SCIAC play. Right away we have a battle for 1st place. Playing at Currier Gym is always a tough thing to do, but the Stags have has success in the recent past, going 8-2 there the last 4 years (winning the Lee Fulmer last year and finishing 3rd in 05-06). Their only loss to Redlands was the 06-07 year where they were swept away by Mazeri and Co, on Redlands way to a surprising 10-4 SCIAC record that year.

Last year was a tough battle between the two @ Redlands. The bulldogs controlled the game early, building to a lead as big as 6 in the 1st half and controlling the boards and tempo. I remember the Stags were able to rally the last 5 minutes of the half and on a Conner Faught 3/4 court shot at the buzzer took a 3 point lead into the half. The Stags came out on fire, building a lead up as large as 13 before, in typical Stag fashion of last year, letting Redlands creep back. Though the FT shooting was suspect, they were able to fend off 2 attempts to win and one to tie by Patrick Coffee and Stephen Call to get the win in the SCIAC opener last year. The point here is that Currier Gym is EXTREMELY loud and tough to play in for any opponent. With 1st place on the line, I expect an absolutely deafening GYM with Redlands fans being extremely hostile to the Stags.

In their first meeting of the year and Ducey, the Stags controlled the early part of the game buidling up a quick 10 point lead, but let Redlands back in it to only lead by 1 at the half. In the second half the Stags jumped on them early and kept the pressure on all game, leading by double figures for most of the second half. Redlands had a mini run with about 6 minutes to go to cut the lead to 6, but that was as close as it would get. Coffee had an INCREDIBLE game. Talking with the Stags, it wasnt bad defense, just simply better offense. This seems like a bit of an anomaly, because in most other games, the Bulldogs have been very balanced offensively. The Stags, though, had 8 players with 6 or more points and all 5 starters had at least 8. That type of balance will make the Stags tough to beat on the road.

In this game, I look for a relatively high scoring affair with lots of runs. It wouldn't surprise me if there was upwards of a 25 point swing between the largest leads of the two teams. Deitrich seems to always play better at home, and the Stags will have to learn from their debacle at PP. This will be their first time back on the road, and they'll be tested by the crowd. I know Scali will have the guys ready, and they will execute under pressure, pulling out a close one 73-69.

Oxy @ Whittier - Very interesting matchup on paper here. Whittier is always tougher at home and provides some interesting matchups for Oxy. Both McCoy and Anderson should be able to control the paint, but the real x-factor for the Tigers will be Hanley. If he can handle the Whittier pressure and guards, they'll win easily. Whittier is a team that if you jump on early will simply go away this year. Last year they had more experience and would battle back, but this year it seems like they are more fragmented and me-oriented. Curious to see what Rock has up his sleeve to be a spoiler in the Second half of SCIAC. Oxy cannot have a let-down game after beating up on PP at home Saturday. They'll need to control tempo and the boards to keep WC frustrated. I think WC will come out with a renewed passion and fluster the Oxy guards and pull out a win here 68-60

ULV @ PP - Looking to bounce back after a poor performance at Oxy, PP will rebound at home vs ULV. Kats has their attention again, and in talking with a couple of the guys, they really felt like they let one slip away on Saturday. They'll come out focused and ready to take on this second half. All the guys have a very sour memory of how the SCIAC second half ended for them last year going 4-3, giving away a SCIAC title after having a 2 game lead late in the race. The win easily with their D and 3 point shooting - 71-57

CLU @ Cal Tech - Talking with Meier after the game on Saturday, the Kingsmen know they have to win out to have a shot at the SCIAC playoffs, where anything can happen. They start their journey at CalTech, and will be focused. Still very tough for me to believe that they have fallen off so hard with the talend they put out on the court. After watching them live, though, I can see why they have struggled. Their offense seems rather stagnant, which I can understand because they have so many good scorers. It seems they are itching to abandon Rider's system and turn it into a pick-up style game while on offense. Defensively, they simply are not quick enough to man and be physical like they usually are. The switching man/2-3 zone hybrid that CLU used to slow CMS seemed to be the most effective for them and with their size and feet. I think Rider will see how it slowed the Stags and try and implement it going forward. It will take something drastic, and that may be a help on their quest to get a SCIAC berth.

Being the 1/2 point in the SCIAC, I have some mid-season Picks:

POY - Chris Blees and Justin Sexton - Probably the easiest of all to choose this
Frosh of the Year - Desean McCoy and Mike Edwards - McCoy has help Oxy become a contender and Edwards could challenge alot of Scoring records if he keeps up this pace.

All SCIAC Team:
Blees
Sexton
Damon Perry
Coffey
Liss

Good luck to the Stags tonight!



Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cmsme on February 04, 2010, 12:33:23 AM
anyonw watching the live stats of CMS Redlands game?  it just went into ot.  very exciting, even with just the stats.    Tejas was right--a lot of runs.
i am keeping my fingers crossed.  It is 87-81, cms.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 04, 2010, 01:40:06 AM
Oxy 70, Whittier 64

Oxy got the win at Whittier. The Tigers led by 64-54 with 5 minutes to go, but the Poets cut the lead to 64-61 on Jonathan Saucedo's 3-ball with 3:35 left. Dave Ostrow hit 6 straight FTs down the stretch for Oxy to seal the victory.

For Oxy, Eric Leider scored 17 including 5-for-7 on 3-pointers, Jack Hanley had 15, and Deshun McCoy scored 12.

For Whittier, Drew Menez scored 21 and David Hayashi had 15.

Oxy is 14-5, 6-2 SCIAC, and is tied for second with Redlands (10-9, 6-2) and Pomona (10-9, 6-2). On Saturday, Oxy plays at Claremont (15-4, 7-1) in the Temple of Doom, Pomona is at Whittier (8-10, 2-6), Redlands hosts Caltech (0-19, 0-8), and La Verne (5-13, 1-7) is at Cal Lutheran (9-10, 3-5).

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on February 04, 2010, 08:34:45 AM
Just a HUGE win for the Stags last night. I had a feeling that it would be similar to last year, but this time Dietrich hits a 3 to tie it at the end of regulation to send the game into overtime. From what I heard, the Gym was an absolutely incredible atmosphere last night.

Blees played huge as usual, going for 26 and 10, but the Stags got production from some unsung guys.. Shane Davis came in off the bench and played incredible, going for 17 on 7-9 from the field and solid performances from Lacey and Bagby.

Something to note though: Its been an issue for a while with the Stags, but the FT% of the team seems to always be a negative. I know its not really a matter of practice - most, if not all, the guys who play shoot 25-50 a day after practice, but more of a mental focus issue. It started with my man Craig Borengasser, who made it an adventure everytime at the line. In the SCIAC semi-final in 07-08, Oxy resorted to fouling with 7 MINTUES to go, down by 15 to rein in the Stags, and it worked. Last night the left 17 points at the line, which hopefully will be enough of a wake up call focus and hit their FTs in crunch time.

Sets up a GREAT game Saturday as well. Oxy @ CMS, or the Temple of Doom. Last time they played at CMS, the Stags absolutely just dropped the ball and gave away a game to the Tigers. We played without any swag or passion in the second half, and Anderson and Hanley led the Tigers back to steal a game. I think alot of the Stags remember that, and we played with a purpose the second game winning 55-33, just pummeling them in the first half 35-13. In their first meeting at Oxy this year.. it was more of the same. CMS jumped out to an early lead, and withstood some Oxy rallies to win.

Predictions and Previews to come..
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 04, 2010, 09:01:31 AM
Quote from: stag44 on February 04, 2010, 08:34:45 AM
Last time they played at CMS, the Stags absolutely just dropped the ball and gave away a game to the Tigers. We played without any swag or passion in the second half, and Anderson and Hanley led the Tigers back to steal a game.

CMS "gave away" nothing. After a poor shooting first half, Oxy shot 50% FG in the second half, and were 9-for-10 FTs, 13-for-14 in the game. Oxy beat the Stags fair and square. Do you Claremont guys ever graciously accept a defeat?

I can hardly wait for your predictions. Don't tell me, let me guess, you'll predict that Oxy will lose. By the way, good call on ULV and WC games. Keep it up, you're on a roll.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fhsutiger on February 04, 2010, 10:42:45 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 04, 2010, 09:01:31 AM
Quote from: stag44 on February 04, 2010, 08:34:45 AM
Last time they played at CMS, the Stags absolutely just dropped the ball and gave away a game to the Tigers. We played without any swag or passion in the second half, and Anderson and Hanley led the Tigers back to steal a game.

CMS "gave away" nothing. After a poor shooting first half, Oxy shot 50% FG in the second half, and were 9-for-10 FTs, 13-for-14 in the game. Oxy beat the Stags fair and square. Do you Claremont guys ever graciously accept a defeat?

I can hardly wait for your predictions. Don't tell me, let me guess, you'll predict that Oxy will lose. By the way, good call on ULV and WC games. Keep it up, you're on a roll.

OxyBob

Now...Now...Bob! Don't get your panties in a bunch. As everyone knows, you were the one I believe who coined the term "Temple of Doom" when it came to Ducey Gym when Oxy goes down to Claremont. If I remember that game right, the stags were winning at half and were up by as many as 10 at halftime until Oxy and Jack Hanley woke up and went on a roll. I will give the tigers credit that night, they just wanted it more than the Stags did. I don't have the stats in front of me right now, but what is the record between these two teams the last few years. Let's go back to the Miles Taylor Era, so 4 or 5 years ago. I'm curious to how many times the Stags have won in that Matchup. Just curious, not throwing stones.
I was at the game earlier this year, and CMS dominated on the defensive end. If the stags can continue to play that type of defense in the Temple of Doom I believe they come away with the win. Oxy will be hungry to pick one up on the road and will come ready to play on the road, I just don't think they have the depth to play 40 minutes with the Stags. Hanley, Conti, Anderson, and McCoy are all great players, but will need the bench to pull out a win at CMS. I would give my complete take on the game, but my boy STAG44 gives a better analysis towards matchups and strategy. Just don't give up to much to the pesky tigers Stag44.
Great win last night boys!!!!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 04, 2010, 10:55:08 AM
Quote from: fhsutiger on February 04, 2010, 10:42:45 AM
Let's go back to the Miles Taylor Era, so 4 or 5 years ago. I'm curious to how many times the Stags have won in that Matchup.

I don't remember all of the results with the MT teams, but I'd venture a guess that it was an even split. I do remember the results of one particular game in 2006: Oxy 48, CMS 41. I think stag44 is still bitter about that one.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on February 04, 2010, 11:11:39 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 04, 2010, 09:01:31 AM
Quote from: stag44 on February 04, 2010, 08:34:45 AM
Last time they played at CMS, the Stags absolutely just dropped the ball and gave away a game to the Tigers. We played without any swag or passion in the second half, and Anderson and Hanley led the Tigers back to steal a game.

CMS "gave away" nothing. After a poor shooting first half, Oxy shot 50% FG in the second half, and were 9-for-10 FTs, 13-for-14 in the game. Oxy beat the Stags fair and square. Do you Claremont guys ever graciously accept a defeat?

I can hardly wait for your predictions. Don't tell me, let me guess, you'll predict that Oxy will lose. By the way, good call on ULV and WC games. Keep it up, you're on a roll.

OxyBob

I think that as we showed in the second game @ Oxy, we showed our true colors and whooped on you guys pretty badly. Oxy did beat us, but I think it was more the Stags making mistakes and not playing smart and being complacent, more than Oxy beating the Stags best game. Trust me, I've watched the film on that game well over 10 times because I was so frustrated with how we played. Your Tigers did make some plays, but at the end of the day it was the Stags poor second half effort that was the difference. You can argue all you want about the stats and what you saw, but I was in that game and still remember it vividly... it was more our ineptitude than anything else that caused that game...

Oxybob, I really like how quiet you were about the game @ Oxy.  

I think that you'll have to agree that the Stags best effort last year and this year will soundly defeat Oxy's best effort.

As for our head to head the last 5 years:

05-06  Oxy 2 CMS 1
06-07  Oxy 1 CMS 1
07-08  Oxy 1 CMS 2
08-09  Oxy 1 CMS 1
09-10  Oxy 0 CMS 1

That puts us at CMS up 6-5 over the last 5 years. Lots of fun and memorable battles between the two squads. I remember as a freshman almost geting as excited for OXY as PP which says alot.

This game has a similar type feel to 05-06 when Oxy came into Ducey during Parents Weekend with essentially the SCIAC on the line. CMS was 10-1, and Oxy was sputtering in at 9-2, having lost to Mazeri and his 57 at Rush. Great atmosphere and highly competitive game the whole way. Parsons really sealed the deal with about 2:30 to go off a broken play ball screen where the paint opend up and he stuffed a dunk that sent the student section into a frenzy. He capped off that night with a THUNDEROUS dunk with 10 seconds to go that really blew the roof off.
Hopefully we'll get a similar type atmosphere as there is 1st place riding on the line.

You KNOW im going with the Stags. Oxy has been a big time surprise, and with Newhall as the mastermind, he'll always get the most out of his players, but the Stags just have too much talent and depth at home to let this one slip away. Toney, Blees, Lacey, Bagby all remember the feeling in the locker room after the L last year, and don't want to have that feeling again.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fhsutiger on February 04, 2010, 11:12:05 AM
AWWWWW SNAP! I think that is how the boys say it. Sorry Stag44, I don't know what else to say except that you did win a conference Championship outright since then. Looks like the Stags may win another one this year as well.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CMSfan on February 04, 2010, 01:10:02 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 04, 2010, 09:01:31 AM
Do you Claremont guys ever graciously accept a defeat?

Gosh, I hope not.  Accepting defeat strikes me as contrary to the competitive nature of sports.  Accepting defeat after losing a game comes pretty close to thinking you just weren't good enough to win.  I think the most successful competitive athletes at any level are the ones who lose a game/match/race and afterward focus on what they could have done better, and what they will do better the next time.

Don't get me wrong, I think it's appropriate and sportsmanlike to give credit where it's due for a brief moment.  I think us Claremont guys are pretty good about doing that.  But I hope it's never more than a brief moment.  I hope the same is true for the rest of SCIAC.  Otherwise, we should just stop keeping score and start giving everyone participation trophies.

Bring it, SCIAC!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 04, 2010, 02:20:12 PM
Quote from: stag44 on February 04, 2010, 11:11:39 AM
Oxybob, I really like how quiet you were about the game @ Oxy.  

Oxy scored a lousy 33 points. CMS whipped 'em bad, real bad. There, happy?

Quote from: stag44 on February 04, 2010, 11:11:39 AM
Parsons really sealed the deal with about 2:30 to go off a broken play ball screen where the paint opend up and he stuffed a dunk that sent the student section into a frenzy. He capped off that night with a THUNDEROUS dunk with 10 seconds to go that really blew the roof off.

Maybe you can get Willis Reed Parsons to limp out of the CMS locker room onto the court.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on February 04, 2010, 03:06:30 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 04, 2010, 02:20:12 PM
Quote from: stag44 on February 04, 2010, 11:11:39 AM
Oxybob, I really like how quiet you were about the game @ Oxy. 

Oxy scored a lousy 33 points. CMS whipped 'em bad, real bad. There, happy?

Quote from: stag44 on February 04, 2010, 11:11:39 AM
Parsons really sealed the deal with about 2:30 to go off a broken play ball screen where the paint opend up and he stuffed a dunk that sent the student section into a frenzy. He capped off that night with a THUNDEROUS dunk with 10 seconds to go that really blew the roof off.

Maybe you can get Willis Reed Parsons to limp out of the CMS locker room onto the court.

OxyBob

Although he's a Stag and CMC legend, I think this 09-10 version of the Stags will be just fine without him. He's doing very well right now though, working in the Bay and is the Head Coach of Half Moon Bay High school.

At the end of the day CMS-Oxy is always a great rivalry, especially when they are both playing a high level. This friendly banter is really nothing compared to some of the talking Connor Whitman got into during his time at Oxy.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fhsutiger on February 04, 2010, 05:33:52 PM
Quote from: stag44 on February 04, 2010, 03:06:30 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 04, 2010, 02:20:12 PM
Quote from: stag44 on February 04, 2010, 11:11:39 AM
Oxybob, I really like how quiet you were about the game @ Oxy. 

Oxy scored a lousy 33 points. CMS whipped 'em bad, real bad. There, happy?

Quote from: stag44 on February 04, 2010, 11:11:39 AM
Parsons really sealed the deal with about 2:30 to go off a broken play ball screen where the paint opend up and he stuffed a dunk that sent the student section into a frenzy. He capped off that night with a THUNDEROUS dunk with 10 seconds to go that really blew the roof off.

Maybe you can get Willis Reed Parsons to limp out of the CMS locker room onto the court.

OxyBob

Although he's a Stag and CMC legend, I think this 09-10 version of the Stags will be just fine without him. He's doing very well right now though, working in the Bay and is the Head Coach of Half Moon Bay High school.

At the end of the day CMS-Oxy is always a great rivalry, especially when they are both playing a high level. This friendly banter is really nothing compared to some of the talking Connor Whitman got into during his time at Oxy.

Too bad Conner isn't around anymore...I can honestly say I don't think I have ever seen a player go up to a coach (Scalmanini) and talk s**t before the game started, and then return at half-time and talk some more. I was sitting on the bench, and couldn't believe what I saw before my eyes. Conner was a great player, but had little class compared to all of the other kids that Oxy has ever had. I have always thought Oxy was a very classy program, and still do, but Conner Whitman is the exception. He was a great shooter, and I wish him nothing but the best, but his mouth is going to get him in trouble some day.

I'm just glad that Conner did it during the game, because Austin Soldner and Dan Winterbottom were about ready to take him out. And believe when I say this, they would have taken care of him real QUICK!

I would rather see players like Myers, Knudsen and the rest of the Cal Lu athletes who came over to Coach Scalmanini and gave him a hug before the game. That is class!  Competition is good for everyone, but being a classy individual is more important! Conner just wasn't one of those type of kids in my book.

Been wanting to get that off my chest since that incident, and know feel at ease!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DIIIghetto on February 05, 2010, 02:05:04 AM
Better leave CW out of the conversation.  Kid had balls of steel and is our only SCIAC player ever to show up in the post-season against an NWC opponent and play like he did every night in the SCIAC.  I'll take him earning respect by raining Js down from all over the floor rather than by hugging the opposing coach before the game.   

While the Stag's SCIAC success has brought out a fair amount of cockiness on this thread, it is worthwhile to note yet again that we are all still waiting for Scali's success to translate beyond our bottom-tier conference.  All of those post-season and out of region non-conference losses keep the entire conference in the SWAC of DIII category.  That means that this weekend's game is the equivalent of Jackson St. (CMS) against Prarie View A & M (Oxy).  Nothing to get too excited about.

We should all be frustrated, disappointed and even angry, that Middlebury, Amherst, Williams & MIT have all been in the top 20 this year getting respect heaped on them.  If we can't get to that level then we should drop our NCAA status and go to club status.   

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 05, 2010, 08:13:55 AM
Quote from: fhsutiger on February 04, 2010, 05:33:52 PM
Too bad Conner isn't around anymore...I can honestly say I don't think I have ever seen a player go up to a coach (Scalmanini) and talk s**t before the game started, and then return at half-time and talk some more.
...

Competition is good for everyone, but being a classy individual is more important! Conner just wasn't one of those type of kids in my book.

Been wanting to get that off my chest since that incident, and know feel at ease!

And here you are talking s**t about an opposing player who graduated from Oxy two years ago about something that happened what, 4 years ago? That's classy. Glad you feel better. At least you were consistent and misspelled his name all five times.

Quote from: DIIIghetto on February 05, 2010, 02:05:04 AM
That means that this weekend's game is the equivalent of Jackson St. (CMS) against Prarie View A & M (Oxy).

In that scenario Oxy would be the Jackson State Tigers.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cmsme on February 05, 2010, 10:16:24 AM
How accurate is the top 25 poll?  (any statistics?)
In this last poll, only 33 teams received even one point.  CMS dropped out.
I don't know much about basketball, but it seems they need more voters with a wider point of view.

And i think it is difficult flying to Spokane--flight delays, snow etc.  A team has to be a lot better to win in that kind of situation.  Has any team from the SCIAC ever won after flying up north?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fhsutiger on February 05, 2010, 10:36:06 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 05, 2010, 08:13:55 AM
Quote from: fhsutiger on February 04, 2010, 05:33:52 PM
Too bad Conner isn't around anymore...I can honestly say I don't think I have ever seen a player go up to a coach (Scalmanini) and talk s**t before the game started, and then return at half-time and talk some more.
...

Competition is good for everyone, but being a classy individual is more important! Conner just wasn't one of those type of kids in my book.

Been wanting to get that off my chest since that incident, and know feel at ease!

And here you are talking s**t about an opposing player who graduated from Oxy two years ago about something that happened what, 4 years ago? That's classy. Glad you feel better. At least you were consistent and misspelled his name all five times.

In that scenario Oxy would be the Jackson State Tigers.

OxyBob


While you know and have met me many times, my intention was not to say that CW is a bad person, I just believe the way he handled himself on the court was not something to be desired. I do believe I may have been a little harsh on the young man, but I stand strong that that kind of behavior should never happen on a basketball court.

Quote from: DIIIghetto on February 05, 2010, 02:05:04 AM
While the Stag's SCIAC success has brought out a fair amount of cockiness on this thread, it is worthwhile to note yet again that we are all still waiting for Scali's success to translate beyond our bottom-tier conference.  All of those post-season and out of region non-conference losses keep the entire conference in the SWAC of DIII category.  That means that this weekend's game is the equivalent of Jackson St. (CMS) against Prarie View A & M (Oxy).  Nothing to get too excited about.


I really don't have much to say except you are right in a bunch of ways. The SCIAC in whole has to do a better job when we get to the big dance. We must continue to build our non-conference record so that we can host a post-season game in SCIAC country instead of the cold northwest. I don't want to make excuses for the STAGS when it comes to non-conference play, we must play better!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on February 05, 2010, 10:36:47 AM
Quote from: cmsme on February 05, 2010, 10:16:24 AM
How accurate is the top 25 poll?  (any statistics?)
In this last poll, only 33 teams received even one point.  CMS dropped out.
I don't know much about basketball, but it seems they need more voters with a wider point of view.

And i think it is difficult flying to Spokane--flight delays, snow etc.  A team has to be a lot better to win in that kind of situation.  Has any team from the SCIAC ever won after flying up north?

The top 25 is actually a very good poll. For the most part, D3 champion comes out of the top 10, and they are actually very good at capturing the national view.

CMS dropped out because we lost to P-P. Usually if a team is just RV and loses, they'll get dropped from the poll. Also, regardless, the national view on the SCIAC isn't the greatest, justifiably so because when we play out of conference, we don't perform, especially in the NCAAs. In the past 10 years, only Oxy's 03 team has advanced to the Sweet 16 or further. Also, in the last 5 years, the SCIAC champ has been bounced the first game in the NCAAs vs a Non-SCIAC opponent.

I do agreed that travel is tough. Going upto Spokane last year was very difficult - our flight from Seattle to Spokane was cancelled and we were stuck at Seattle airport for 5 hours. Didn't end up getting into Spokane till about 9pm - after leaving Claremont at 10am. This was the day before the game as well. No excuses though - we competed for the first half, but forgot how to play defense in the Second half, and were unable to score for about a 4 minute stretch. WW simply out played us and were the better team. That gym is TOUGH to play in as well - great fans and atmosphere for hoops.

I think in general Spokane is tough for anyone. I think since Heyford tookover they have something like a .900 win percentage at home. As for the NWC overall - we usually do not fare too well when travelling up there. In general, the SCIAC does not travel well at all. Most teams travel at MOST once a year, so come tournament time, I think there is somewhat of a shock and awe effect with travel and hooping. Everyone in conference is used to sleeping in their own bed and being on campus the night before games and having a routine through the whole conference. The longest commute for anyone is the CLU - Redlands which is about 3 hour with some traffic, so there isn't any burden of travel for us. Whereas someone in the UAA - ala Wash U, Chicago, Rochester - they travel 4 or 5 weekends out of the year.

Again, these aren't excuses. At the end of the day, the SCIAC has simply not brought it during the NCAAs and on the national stage and it doesnt get any easier having to play on the road. Here's to getting a break through this year!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 05, 2010, 01:55:04 PM
Quote from: DIIIghetto on February 05, 2010, 02:05:04 AM
We should all be frustrated, disappointed and even angry, that Middlebury, Amherst, Williams & MIT have all been in the top 20 this year getting respect heaped on them.

Strength of schedule through Jan. 31:

093 Pomona .528
101 Middlebury .527
232 MIT .499
251 La Verne .472
254 Cal Lutheran .477
267 Redlands .477
276 Amherst .488
280 Claremont .477
320 Williams .481
335 Occidental .459
336 Whittier .453
358 Caltech .448

QuoteThe Division III tournament selection committee determines strength of schedule using opponents' winning percentage and opponents' opponents' winning percentage. A team's SOS is two-thirds opponents' winning percentage (OWP) and one-third opponents' opponents' winning percentage (OOWP).

407 D-III teams ranked. The number at the beginning of each line is a team's rank in OWP.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Howlinwolf on February 05, 2010, 03:34:53 PM
Fact: CMS has had a few smothering Ws over the Eagle Rock denizens over the years.

Fact: Oxy went into the "Temple of Doom" last year and came out with more than loose change. Props to the Tigers.

Fact: CMS should be a healthy favorite on Saturday night.

Fact: I appreciate the commentary of those on this board, but if I read (or hear elsewhere) "at the end of the day" one more time, I'm going to lose my burrito.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 05, 2010, 03:51:19 PM
Quote from: Howlinwolf on February 05, 2010, 03:34:53 PM
Fact: I appreciate the commentary of those on this board, but if I read (or hear elsewhere) "at the end of the day" one more time, I'm going to lose my burrito.

Howlinwolf, by and large, everyone from Wall Street to Main Street agrees that when all is said and done you're absolutely right about that trite phrase, and when we take everything into consideration we should put it to rest and stick a fork in it.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on February 05, 2010, 03:59:45 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 05, 2010, 03:51:19 PM
Quote from: Howlinwolf on February 05, 2010, 03:34:53 PM
Fact: I appreciate the commentary of those on this board, but if I read (or hear elsewhere) "at the end of the day" one more time, I'm going to lose my burrito.

Howlinwolf, by and large, everyone from Wall Street to Main Street agrees that when all is said and done you're absolutely right about that trite phrase, and when we take everything into consideration we should put it to rest and stick a fork in it.

OxyBob
Yes,  phone it in. :P
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 06, 2010, 02:40:24 AM
Quote from: cmsme on February 05, 2010, 10:16:24 AM
How accurate is the top 25 poll?  (any statistics?)
In this last poll, only 33 teams received even one point.  CMS dropped out.
I don't know much about basketball, but it seems they need more voters with a wider point of view.

I've been told by an insider that one of the Top 25 pollsters is a SCIAC head coach.

Quote from: cmsme on February 05, 2010, 10:16:24 AMA team has to be a lot better to win in that kind of situation.  Has any team from the SCIAC ever won after flying up north?

No. The SCIAC is 0-4 when playing at a NWC team in the D3 tourney.


Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 07, 2010, 01:40:30 AM
I'll confirm that a SCIAC coach is on the panel.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 07, 2010, 02:39:40 AM
Eyewitness report from Claremont:

Claremont 60, Oxy 51

Great atmosphere in the Temple of Doom, and a good game between Oxy and Claremont went the Stags' way. Oxy brought a large enthusiastic student contingent which packed the stands behind the Oxy bench, and I was enveloped by the combined aroma of Axe, Coco Mademoiselle and Jack Daniels. I can't remember the last time I stood up for an entire game.

As for the game, Huston Conti's 3-ball at the first half buzzer gave Oxy a 31-25 lead. In the second half, Oxy went cold and Claremont got a lot of offense going in transition, including a nifty behind the head pass from Jason Toney to (I think) Joseph Anderson for a layup, and the Stags outscored the Tigers 22-6 and led 47-37. Oxy got it back to 53-49, but Michael Bagby hit a huge 3-pointer that put the game out of reach for Oxy.

For CMS, Chris Blees was the star of the game with 23 points, 6 rebounds, 2 assists, and 3 steals. Joseph Anderson and Michael Bagby each scored 10.

For Oxy, Jack Hanley scored 15, and Huston Conti had 10.

Once again Claremont did what it does best and kept an opponent under 60 points. CMS shot 48% for the game and held Oxy to only 36.5% shooting, far under the Tigers' conference leading 48% FG average. The Stags also outrebounded Oxy 31-28.

CMS is 16-4, 8-1 SCIAC, and Oxy is 14-6, 6-3. On Wednesday Oxy hosts Cal Lutheran (10-10, 4-5), while Claremont is home to Caltech (0-20, 0-9).

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: nwhoops1903 on February 07, 2010, 12:19:08 PM
Quote from: stag44 on February 05, 2010, 10:36:47 AM
... That gym is TOUGH to play in as well - great fans and atmosphere for hoops.

I think in general Spokane is tough for anyone. I think since Heyford tookover they have something like a .900 win percentage at home.

Home-Sweet-Home: Whitworth had been stellar in the Fieldhouse throughout the 1990's and 2000's and has continued that success during Jim Hayford's tenure as the Pirates' head coach. Since Hayford became coach for the 2001-02 season the Pirates are 81-10 (.890) in the Whitworth Fieldhouse. Since the 2005-06 season, the Bucs are 48-3 (.941) at home. Whitworth is currently on a 17-game home-court winning streak.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CMSfan on February 07, 2010, 03:21:54 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 07, 2010, 02:39:40 AM
Eyewitness report from Claremont:

Claremont 60, Oxy 51

Box Score: http://www.cmsathletics.org/sports/winter/mbkb/2009-10/stats/OXY-CMS.HTM (http://www.cmsathletics.org/sports/winter/mbkb/2009-10/stats/OXY-CMS.HTM)

I was at the game, too.  Not much to add...

CMS started slowly (again), but stepped it up in the second half (again).  This was a huge game for Oxy, which I assume accounts for the busload of Oxy fans at the game.  If they didn't outnumber CMS fans in the first half, they were at least louder and better coordinated, and there were times when it really didn't feel like a home game for the Stags.  Of course, the Oxy crowd grew quieter as the Stags pulled away...so maybe their "Who's House, Our House" chant was a bit premature.  Nonetheless, an enjoyable evening in Ducey Gym.

With Pomona's loss to Whittier, CMS is in a very strong position in SCIAC.  Their trend of slow starts is concerning, and they keep giving up some easy second chance buckets, but if they can get home court advantage in the SCIAC tournament, they'll be very tough to beat.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cmsme on February 08, 2010, 12:28:02 AM
I went to watch the CMS Oxy game and sat with some of the parents.
We tried to spot OxyBob, and talked about what a nice guy Tejas is.

On the poll, I am sure that it is very accurate for the top 8 or so teams, but what about the teams ranked 15 to 25?  Shouldn't there be more variation?  I read there is one SCIAC head coach who votes, but I still find it difficult to believe that the SCIAC is that much worse that the other leagues.  Last year CMS did loose to Whitworth in the playoffs, but they also beat them when Whitworth came down to California.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on February 08, 2010, 04:10:12 PM
Sounds like Ducey was a fun place to be Saturday night - big win for the Stags, but some I've been noticing some alarming trends: As mentioned above, the Stags are becoming know for notoriously slow starts, and then overwhelming the opponent in the 2nd half - its happenen in almost every SCIAC game. While this shows that Scali and the staff are making proper halftime adjustments and the players are executing them, it will come back to haunt them at some point.

Its been rather impressive how they have won different styles of games as well - they can outscore you or shut you down defensively. Its one of the first Stag teams in the since the late 90s early 00s that can score the ball easily - similar to the teams with Donlan, Dundas, Smith etc.

2 very big games in the SCIAC on Wednesday:

CLU @ OXY - CLU is fighting for their season in this game. If they want any change to make the playoff, they'll need to muster up a tough win on the road. Oxy has surprised me this year with their consistent play, and I think they'll win a close physical battle in Eagle Rock 61-52. This will effectively knock out CLU from SCIAC playoff contention and seal the 4 in the playoffs - These next 5 games will be more for seeding and homecourt in the playoffs rather than fighting to get into it.


Redlands @ Pomona - Massive game for both teams - Pomona is coming off a stunning loss at Whitter that really hurts them in catching the Stags - They'll be looking to right the ship against Redlands who will be looking to create some breathing room in 2nd place. I think that Pomona is too tough at home and will get back on track winning a high scoring affair 81-72.

My Picks for Wed:

CMS
PP
OXY (there you go oxyBOB)
ULV

Standings will be:
CMS 9-1
OXY 7-3
UR  7-3
P-P 7-3
CLU 4-6
ULV 3-7
WC 3-7
CIT  0-10
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on February 08, 2010, 05:25:46 PM
Oxy will effectively clinch a SCIAC bid with a win on Wednesday as they will only have to beat Caltech to get to 8 wins, which is the max that CalLu could get, with Oxy owning the tiebreaker.  The Tigers best hope is that PP falls to the 4 hole, PP wins a stunner at Ducey, Oxy beats UOR and the Tigers take out PP at home.  CMS is awfully good and a bad matchup for the Tigers.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 09, 2010, 10:16:52 AM
Quote from: tigersports on February 08, 2010, 05:25:46 PM
The Tigers best hope is that PP falls to the 4 hole, PP wins a stunner at Ducey, Oxy beats UOR and the Tigers take out PP at home. 

By no means does Redlands have 2nd or 3rd place locked up. UR has 4 of 5 on the road, including the last 3 at CLU, Oxy and ULV. Pomona already lost to Redlands, so the Sagehens really need to beat the Bulldogs on Wednesday.

CLU @ Oxy: Biggest game of the year for Cal Lutheran. Oxy better be ready for a battle.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on February 11, 2010, 03:07:22 PM
Recap from Last Night

CMS 96 - CalTech 28
After coming out sluggish and only being up 9-7 the stags went on a 22-2 run that put the game out of reach. After that it was simply a race to see if they would hit the century mark or not. I can't remember the last time the Stag beat CIT by more than 60, but they played with a purpose and the bench really showed the Stags depth as well. Little used Kevin Machpherson had 15 points on a surprising 5-6 from 3. Tough night for Mike Edwards from CIT who fouled out with just 6 pts.

ULV 79 - Whittier 71
La Verne jumped out to an 9 point halftime lead and held on against the Poets. In a battle for 6th place, and now maybe an super outside shot at the 4 seed in the playoffs, they are both 3-7 and have to win out to even think about the playoffs.

CLU 71 - OXY 67
In CLUs biggest game of the season thus far, they were able to edge Oxy with a second half rally. Both teams relied heavily on the starters, as there was a combined 4 bench points the entire game. CLU was down by 5 at the half, but chipped away and tied the game with about 12 minutes to go. From there it was close the rest of the way in, but CLU was able to pull it out. They received a GREAT performance from Kyle Knudsen who went for 29. The other big thing that pops out on the stat sheet was the 29-7 ft advantedge to the Kingsmen. It seems like they may have been forcing the issue to the basket more than the Tigers and drawing foul count that way. Knudsen is played more and more like how he did after Meier got hurt last year when he just took over for CLU, nearly winning SCIAC player of the year. I think he will be playing like this the rest of the year to get them back in the SCIAC playoffs. Each game is sudden death for them, so they will be playing with everything to lose the rest of the way in.

UR 73 - PP 67
In the other big game in SCIAC play, Redlands went into PP and came away with a HUGE win. PP was up for most of the first half and had a lead as big as 8, but Redlands whittled it to 1 point at the break. The second half was hotly contested with neither team leading by more than 5 points and nothing bigger than 3 the last 12 minutes. In overtime PP scored the first basket, but Redlands came back and controlled the rest of the period to pull off the win. It seems like Redlands has gone back to an army-like sub pattern - 5 in 5 out. Interesting strategy from their coaching staff. Its a way to get each set of 5 comfortable with each other and cause some matchup issues for the other team, having them quickly organize and rematch up. It seems to be working well as they have been scoring by committee and winning.


SCIAC Standings:
CMS 9-1
UR   8-2
OXY 6-4
P-P  6-4
CLU 5-5
ULV 3-7
WC  3-7
CIT  0-10

Games on saturday:

CMS @ ULV
WC  @ UR
CLU @ PP
OXY @ CIT

CMS looks to maintain its strong play at the tough Supertent against a ULV team trying to play spoiler
WC will try and upset the Bulldogs on the road in a tough Currier gym, as UR plays for seeding in the SCIAC tourney
CLU will be playing to get back into a tie for 4th as PP tries to stop its losing ways.
OXY rebounds vis CIT to stay 3rd place in SCIAC
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 12, 2010, 03:16:36 PM
Quote from: stag44 on February 11, 2010, 03:07:22 PM
CLU 71 - OXY 67
They received a GREAT performance from Kyle Knudsen who went for 29. The other big thing that pops out on the stat sheet was the 29-7 ft advantedge to the Kingsmen. It seems like they may have been forcing the issue to the basket more than the Tigers and drawing foul count that way.

Knudsen was very aggressive driving the lane. He either got a layup or was fouled. Oxy did a poor job switching on him. CLU got a lot of fouls down low, while Oxy stayed outside most of the night. Except for Sean Anderson, who had one of his best games of the year, the Oxy offense was pretty passive.

Concur with stag44 that CLU @ Pomona is the game of the night on Saturday. Pomona still has a leg up on Cal Lutheran because the Sagehens beat Claremont. The Kingsmen have another shot at CMS on the last night of conference season.

Redlands is the SCIAC surprise of the season. Kudos to UR for getting an OT win @ Pomona, which is never easy to do. The Sagehens have been in 4 OT games this season, plus a buzzer beater win @ CLU.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 14, 2010, 10:25:05 AM
Eyewitness report from Pasadena:

Oxy 72, Caltech 41

The road teams all won Saturday night.

Oxy led at the half 35-13 and went on to easily beat Caltech. Sean Anderson scored 20 and had 11 rebounds, Deshun McCoy had 14 and 10 rebounds, and Jack Hanley and Huston Conti scored 11 and 10. Ryan Elmquist scored 19 points and had 10 rebounds for Caltech, and Mike Edwards had 12 for the Beavers.

The conference race tightened up with 3 games to go. Whittier outscored Redlands 11-3 in the last 3 minutes and beat the Bulldogs 88-77 at UR. Over at Pomona, Aaron Fisher's 3-pointer with 10 seconds left gave Cal Lutheran a 65-62 win over the Sagehens. Claremont beat La Verne 76-67 at ULV.

Claremont is in first at 10-1 and has a 2-game lead over 2nd place Redlands (8-3). Oxy is 3rd at 7-4, and Pomona and Cal Lutheran are tied for 4th at 6-5.  Wednesday's schedule:

Redlands (12-10, 8-3) @ Cal Lutheran (12-10, 6-5)
La Verne (7-15, 3-8) @ Oxy (15-7 , 7-4)
Pomona (10-12, 6-5) @ Caltech (0-11, 0-22)
Claremont (18-4, 10-1) @ Whittier (10-11, 4-7)

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on February 15, 2010, 02:16:59 PM
Quote from: Chapman Panthers on January 22, 2010, 10:08:31 AM
Occidental is looking for two D3 teams to play in the Chapman-Occidental Thanksgiving Classic hosted at Occidental College in Eagle Rock, CA.

Friday-Saturday, November 26-27, 2010

You will play two West Region D3 teams in Chapman University and Occidental College.

$500 guarantee.

Contact Brian Newhall at bnewhall@oxy.edu

I guess they don't hate each other after all. ;)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on February 15, 2010, 02:24:29 PM
GRAY FOX,

Sorry to inform you, but they do not play each other. They both play the other two teams. Been that way for several years.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on February 15, 2010, 02:34:17 PM
I realize that, but Chapman gets to gets a chance to play two good teams that they might otherwise not get to play. :D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on February 15, 2010, 03:05:13 PM
Not recently, and as you can see from the original post regarding this subject, we still don't know, unless they have been scheduled in the past couple of days. I checked back a few years on the web site and saw just other SCIAC teams. The best chance we have had has been the Redlands Tourney.
From what I have heard, our schedule so far for next year isn't any better than the last few years.
Oh well, at least it gives everyone something to argue about. Free entertainment, as they say.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fhsutiger on February 16, 2010, 05:43:57 PM
This thread has been tremendously boring the last week or so. I personally apologize for not commenting, but I was away on work and away from a computer. If it's not for Oxybob and Stagg44 giving us some incite on the games, this thread would be non-existent. For a while there old chap was drilling in our heads how good Chapman is, and we haven't heard from him in a while. Which means there must not be anything to brag about when it comes to Chapman's schedule. How many times have they played La Sierra now?
Hell Cal Lutheran is making a push to the SCIAC tournament and playing well. Redlands tripped up against Whittier, making this Wednesday's game against Whittier even more important for CMS who can now Clinch the outright championship if they win tomorrow night. Oxy, Pomona, and Redlands are trying to hold to the 2,3, and 4 spots respectively. I think the final week 1/2 of SCIAC play will bring us some great basketball, and maybe even an upset or two.
Here is how I see it playing out for the Tournament:
1. CMS
2. Redlands
3. Pomona
4. OXY

Cal Lutheran is the dark horse I believe. They certainly have a great shot on making some noise late in the season.

Overall Winner of SCIAC Tourney:
CMS over Redlands
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TeeDub on February 16, 2010, 06:08:20 PM
Quote from: fhsutiger on February 16, 2010, 05:43:57 PM
Overall Winner of SCIAC Tourney:
CMS over Redlands

If indeed Redlands makes it to the final of the SCIAC tourney, I'll put my money on them.  It is very hard to beat a decent team 3 times in one year.  I'm a Redlands guy, so I hope you're right when you predict them to be in the final.  Unfortunately, it is a long road (and I mean that literally since the Dogs are on the road to finish off conference play).  Hopefully the Whittier loss puts the Dogs in the right focus to finish strong...

I agree with the Cal Lu statement as the dark horse...they could win out and be peaking at just the right time...
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pineconefan on February 16, 2010, 07:23:57 PM
QuoteIf it's not for Oxybob and Stagg44 giving us some incite on the games,

fhsutiger - if you did that on purpose, you are a genius  ;D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on February 17, 2010, 07:49:49 AM
Quote from: Jordis Rocks on February 16, 2010, 06:08:20 PM
Quote from: fhsutiger on February 16, 2010, 05:43:57 PM
Overall Winner of SCIAC Tourney:
CMS over Redlands

If indeed Redlands makes it to the final of the SCIAC tourney, I'll put my money on them.  It is very hard to beat a decent team 3 times in one year.  I'm a Redlands guy, so I hope you're right when you predict them to be in the final.  Unfortunately, it is a long road (and I mean that literally since the Dogs are on the road to finish off conference play).  Hopefully the Whittier loss puts the Dogs in the right focus to finish strong...

I agree with the Cal Lu statement as the dark horse...they could win out and be peaking at just the right time...

Coming into Wednesday, the SCIAC landscape has changed drastically since the start of the 2nd half of conference. In typical Stag fashion, Scali has his guys playing at their highest level and improving as conference comes to a close. They currently have a 2-game lead over Redlands, 3 over Oxy and 4 over CLU and PP. They have a very unique opportunity these last 3 regular season games. They deal major blows to each teams seasons with wins. If they beat Whittier on wednesday, the Poets will be mathematically eliminated from the SCIAC playoff picture. That would set the stage for a GREAT game - Feb 20, the Stags would be playing to win the SCIAC outright vs PP at home, and to possibly knock them out of 4th place and the playoff picture.
In the final game of the season though, they have a REALLY special opportunity - finally securing a win at the new CLU facility. In the last 3 games there, the Stags have lost 2 heart breakers as well as getting LIT up last year by Knudsen in the second half as the Kingsmen rallied around injured Andy Meier to secure a win.

First things first though, I think the Stags will go into Whittier and take care of business. In a similar type situation last year, the Stags went to Whittier and clinched at least a tie for the SCIAC title by controlling the first 33 minutes of the game and then holding on as David Hayashi, Gibson and Crow staged a FURIOUS rally after Rock got a T to put them down 17. I expect Whittier to come out firing and try to speed up the Stags. In a high scoring affair I'll give the edge to Blees and Co 78-64.

In the other marquee game of the night - CLU plays host to UR in another do or die game for the Kingsmen. I talked with Meier after the CMS game to close out the first half, and he knew that they would have to run the table in the 2nd half of conference to make the SCIAC tourney, and upto this point they have. The trip from Redlands to CLU is always difficult and long, but Redlands has been impressive this year on the road. Ducey's way of keeping 5 fresh bodies out there at all times tends to wear down teams and provide cohesiveness for them. CLU on the other hand has Knudsen and Grimm playing 35+ minutes as well as 6 players playing well over 90% of available minutes. Playing infront of a loud gym I think CLU will get the win convincingly as Meier and Van Klaveren will have monster games 72-61

Pomona will get back to its winning ways beating CalTech, and Oxy should take care of ULV at home to set up a big game vs Redlands on Saturday.

So, after tomorrow's games I think the standings will look like this:

CMS 11-1
UR   8-4
OXY 8-4
CLU 7-5
PP   7-5
WC 4-8
ULV 3-9
CIT 0-12

Exciting time for the Stags -

If they win out and get to the SCIAC finals and then are upset, we could see 2 SCIAC teams get a bid. Looking at the SOS and Regional rankings, the Stags could possibly get an at-large bid, but HAVE to make to the Finals
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fhsutiger on February 17, 2010, 10:13:34 AM
Hypothetically thinking of course here:

What do you think the odds of two teams from the SCIAC making the tournament if CMS makes the finals of SCIAC tourney and loses (god forbid & at home). Can anyone see that happening, and who do you think it would be?

Second question:
Does anyone see Chapman hosting, or does everyone believe the committee will send them to a SCIAC school first. I'm sure Chapman would love to host, but the one team I know they won't want to see first round is CMS. The Stags are playing much better that they did in December, and we all know what happened the last time they played. Plus we have played much better competition!

What does everyone think about these scenarios?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on February 17, 2010, 10:52:38 AM
fhsutiger:

Are you hypothetically thinking  that Chapman would not want to see CMS in the first round, or do you have some inside information that the rest of us do not have, or maybe  just assuming?

The NCAA opens the tourney hosting up for bid(s) and awards accordingly. Hopefully, if CMS is selected for tourney play, or wins the SCIAC Tourney, they would bid to host.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fhsutiger on February 17, 2010, 11:03:43 AM
To be real honest I KNOW that Chapman does not want to play CMS at home the first round of the SCIAC. No team has played better in the SCIAC on a consistent basis than the STAGS against QUALITY opponents. We haven't played La Sierra, West Coast Baptist and whatever teams they play. We play quality opponents who give us a better competition and allow us to compete at a higher level. The only thing Chapman has done since Christmas is practice, and being an ex-college player myself, I would rather play against tougher competition later in the year than practice against UCSC and allow my bench players to get some reps.

Don't get me wrong I believe Chapman is a good team, but when you play against lesser competition it will come back to bite you in the end. Chapman is hoping they either Host, or two SCIAC teams get into the tourney and they get to play someone other than the Stags. That's just my opinion!
Quote from: dahlby on February 17, 2010, 10:52:38 AM
fhsutiger:

The NCAA opens the tourney hosting up for bid(s) and awards accordingly. Hopefully, if CMS is selected for tourney play, or wins the SCIAC Tourney, they would bid to host.

Hopefully you are right and the Stags take care of business like they have done all year. Hopefully, the pollsters will see the body of work and allow the Stags to host a tourney game. THEN ship us out the Northwest!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on February 17, 2010, 11:04:39 AM
I fully believe that if CMS were to get to the SCIAC title and lose, they would be a bubble at-large team. It all depends on how the other teams ranked above fare in their conference tourneys. So, if all the current conference leaders are winning and receiving the pool A bids, then I think that the Stags have a chance to sneak into the Pool C. This would be something similar to 07-08 when PP won the SCIAC auto bid, but Oxy got an at-large due to a pretty strong non-conference record and a 11-3 SCIAC regular season. That year, remember CLU was also one of the "last teams out" in the Pool C, which would have given us an INCREDIBLE 3 teams. But, lets say that CMS loses in the SCIAC finals:

This would actually create a VERY interesting scenario. If they were to get a Pool C bid, then we would have 3 Southern California teams in the Tourney. This, paired with WW winning the NWC auto-bid in their tourney would provide the committee with an interesting predicament. Do they fly down WW who would be riding a 24 game win streak and a consensus top-10 team to SoCal and make them play on the Road? I'm sure that Hayford and the NWC would not be happy with this, but it seems to be the most cost effective way if this scenario plays out. It would probably be WW vs the SCIAC tourney winner, and Chapman vs CMS in the other game. I would say that Ducey should host, which would create an atmosphere there that would be unmatched.

But this is all just hypotheticals - I honestly think the only team that will beat CMS would be PP, simply becasue of the emotions involved in the game. If you take out the first CMS PP game, the Stags are undefeated and a step above the rest of the conference. But, when you bring in the emotions and passion involved in the rivalry, it levels all the playing fields and either team can win any given night.

Regardless of all this, there are big games on slate for tonight which will be key in deciding the SCIAC playoff seeding and entrants!

Quote from: fhsutiger on February 17, 2010, 10:13:34 AM
Hypothetically thinking of course here:

What do you think the odds of two teams from the SCIAC making the tournament if CMS makes the finals of SCIAC tourney and loses (god forbid & at home). Can anyone see that happening, and who do you think it would be?

Second question:
Does anyone see Chapman hosting, or does everyone believe the committee will send them to a SCIAC school first. I'm sure Chapman would love to host, but the one team I know they won't want to see first round is CMS. The Stags are playing much better that they did in December, and we all know what happened the last time they played. Plus we have played much better competition!

What does everyone think about these scenarios?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on February 17, 2010, 11:17:13 AM
fhsutiger:
I am not questioning any of your hypotheticals, I am just asking if you know something that we don't know about Chapman not wanting to play CMS, and you have added that they would not to play at CMS either. Do you know this for a fact, or is that how you would feel personally if you were playing , coaching  or cheering for Chapman?

Have you considered that just maybe Chapman would be just happy to get in to the tourney? I don't know the answer. Maybe you have some facts I don't.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DIIIghetto on February 17, 2010, 02:54:11 PM
There will be no at-large bids from the SCIAC this year.  It won't even be close.  Our collective body of work against quality D3 teams was terrible this year.  Our best W was PP's beating Whitworth.  Outside of that, CMS W over Chapman was good but for SCIAC fans it was expected.  Oxy beat a couple of snobirds Emerson & Ripon who have decent records but aren't Top 25 material. 

Stags will have to win that 1 tourney game to get the ticket and we would all LOVE to see them against Chapman in the 1st round.  Like I said before, that will give Scali his best chance at winning a post-season game.  I don't think the Stags can keep it within 10 at Whitworth and unfortunately their coaches probably do not think that they can either.  Then again, if Kats can do it...
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on February 17, 2010, 03:15:39 PM
Quote from: DIIIghetto on February 17, 2010, 02:54:11 PM
There will be no at-large bids from the SCIAC this year.  It won't even be close.  Our collective body of work against quality D3 teams was terrible this year.  Our best W was PP's beating Whitworth.  Outside of that, CMS W over Chapman was good but for SCIAC fans it was expected.  Oxy beat a couple of snobirds Emerson & Ripon who have decent records but aren't Top 25 material. 

Stags will have to win that 1 tourney game to get the ticket and we would all LOVE to see them against Chapman in the 1st round.  Like I said before, that will give Scali his best chance at winning a post-season game.  I don't think the Stags can keep it within 10 at Whitworth and unfortunately their coaches probably do not think that they can either.  Then again, if Kats can do it...


If you look at the regional rankings though, the Stags are currently ranked, and even if they lose that SCIAC final game they will be 22-5, with an 18-4 record in region. I think that they could be a bubble team for an at-large bid.

I do think that if the Stags were to get a neutral game vs Whitworth, they would play them very tough. Last year, on a neutral court the defeated WW, but Spokane is a tough place to play and the Pirates have been near unbeatable up there. But, almost everyone who plays for them this year remembers the gym and the atmosphere and I think will be more prepared if they do play in Spokane. To be quite honest, I think alot of us were shell-shocked and just happy to be in the NCAAs, and we went cold for about 3 minutes to start the second half, which gave them enough to put us away.

Kats got WW on a neutral court early in the season while the Pirates were adjusting to life without Nakamura, Selleret and Jurich. Beal was still figuring out how to run the team as well. I'm sure both teams were also looking ahead to a possible matchup with then #1 Wash U. Regardless, Kats always has great game plans to keep them in games where they may seem outmatched.

Chapman has to be happy that they've finally broken through and gotten into the NCAAs. But, I'm very curious to how they will respond to playing competiton at their level or higher. They have not been challenged since their Hawaii trip almost 2 months ago. While they have time to prepare and really hone in on a game plan for a SCIAC team, i'll be curious to see how the respond to the higher competition level.


Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on February 18, 2010, 12:26:20 AM
Stags win @ Whittier 67-54 after going up 43-16 at half

CLU wins at home vs Redlands 84-72, holding onto a 16 pt halftime lead

Those two results clinch an outright SCIAC regular season title for the Stags! Congrats!!

more details to follow tomorrow
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 18, 2010, 02:30:25 AM
Eyewitness report from Thousand Oaks:

Cal Lutheran 84, Redlands 72

Cal Lutheran continued to surge in the standings with a 84-72 win over Redlands. A 10-2 run in the last 4:30 of the first half gave CLU a 42-26 halftime lead. In the second half, the Bulldogs cut the lead to 5 at 12:10, but that's as close as UR would get. CLU is on a roll. After a disappointing 2-5 start to the conference season, the Kingsmen have won 5 straight.

For CLU, Kyle Knudsen had 26 points, Andy Meier scored 19, Greg Grimm had 18, and Aaron Fisher played a great game with 18 points and 12 rebounds. For Redlands, Jordan Sanvictores had 13, but no one else scored double figures for UR.

Over in Eagle Rock, Jack Hanley scored 29, and Deshun McCoy had 18 points and 16 rebounds as Oxy defeated La Verne 79-62. Billy Nicolini and Jake Veitch each scored 13 for the Leopards.

Oxy and Redlands are now tied for 2nd place at 8-4. The Tigers and the Bulldogs meet this Saturday at Oxy. Cal Lutheran and Pomona remain tied for 4th at 7-5.

Saturday's schedule, all games 7:30 p.m.:

Pomona (11-12, 7-5) @ Claremont (19-4, 11-1)
Redlands (12-11, 8-4) @ Oxy (16-7, 8-4)
Cal Lutheran (13-10, 7-5) @ Whittier (10-12, 4-8)
Caltech (0-23, 0-12) @ La Verne (7-16, 3-9)

Quote from: stag44 on February 17, 2010, 11:04:39 AM
I fully believe that if CMS were to get to the SCIAC title and lose, they would be a bubble at-large team.

First, some reality: The SCIAC will get one bid this year -- the tournament champ AQ. That 's it. For you Claremont honks, either the Stags win the SCIAC tournament or they're done. Put all of your other fanciful scenarios out of your mind.

For fun, I'll play your charming "what if" game with you. The only way Claremont could get into the NCAA tournament as a Pool C team is if Chapman doesn't get in as a Pool B team. In that case CMS would be paired in a first round knockout game against the SCIAC tournament champ, with the winner shipped out to (probably) Whitworth. The D-III NCAA tournament bracket is purposely designed to eliminate the SCIAC teams as quickly as possible, which is why there is the "SCIAC Exception" to the selection criteria: "Teams from the same conference do not have to play one another in the first round as long as geographic proximity is maintained." When are you guys going to get that?

If Chapman gets a bid with its joke schedule, then the NCAA selection committee will pair the SCIAC AQ against Chapman, and the winner of that game will be shipped somewhere like Whitworth to be eliminated. At least that's what the NCAA wants.

Quote from: stag44 on February 17, 2010, 03:15:39 PM
Last year, on a neutral court the defeated WW, but Spokane is a tough place to play and the Pirates have been near unbeatable up there. But, almost everyone who plays for them this year remembers the gym and the atmosphere and I think will be more prepared if they do play in Spokane. To be quite honest, I think alot of us were shell-shocked and just happy to be in the NCAAs, and we went cold for about 3 minutes to start the second half, which gave them enough to put us away.

3 minutes? C'mon, it was more like the entire second half.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on February 18, 2010, 09:55:43 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 18, 2010, 02:30:25 AM

Quote from: stag44 on February 17, 2010, 03:15:39 PM
Last year, on a neutral court the defeated WW, but Spokane is a tough place to play and the Pirates have been near unbeatable up there. But, almost everyone who plays for them this year remembers the gym and the atmosphere and I think will be more prepared if they do play in Spokane. To be quite honest, I think alot of us were shell-shocked and just happy to be in the NCAAs, and we went cold for about 3 minutes to start the second half, which gave them enough to put us away.

3 minutes? C'mon, it was more like the entire second half.

OxyBob

From the 16:31 to the 11:28 mark of that game WW went on a run from up 1 to up 15. Other than that, we played them even; so sorry it was 5 minutes not 3 minutes.

Also, I'm not saying that CMS will be a lock Pool-C team, but I also believe that if there aren't many upsets in other conference tourneys, then that leaves more Pool-C bids available. Looking at all the rankings around, the Stags would be on the bubble. I'd say it would be a hopeful chance, but I think its somewhat similar to Oxy in 07-08. Granted they had wins in the non-conference over a ranked Plattsburgh St and highly regarded Illinois Weslyan, but this year CMS should have a better conference record, and is currently ranked in the region. Again, they'll be a bubble team at best if they lose in the tourney, but I still think they will be in consideration.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 18, 2010, 11:08:05 AM
Quote from: stag44 on February 18, 2010, 09:55:43 AM
From the 16:31 to the 11:28 mark of that game WW went on a run from up 1 to up 15. Other than that, we played them even; so sorry it was 5 minutes not 3 minutes.

You must have learned how to measure time and keep score differently than I did. Whitworth led 42-40 at the half. The Pirates outscored you 16-4 and led 58-44 at 12:00. Then the lead went to 69-52 at 8:00. You got the lead down to 13 at 2:40, and lost by 18. Sorry, but you didn't play them even.

As for your mythical Pool C aspirations, CMS better figure out how to beat Pomona this Saturday, because the Stags got worked last time, and the Sagehens are fighting for their conference tournament lives.

OxyBob

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D O.C. on February 18, 2010, 11:36:57 AM
QuotePut all of your other fanciful scenarios out of your mind.

How very inciteful of you.   8-)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fhsutiger on February 18, 2010, 12:05:13 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 18, 2010, 11:08:05 AM
Quote from: stag44 on February 18, 2010, 09:55:43 AM
From the 16:31 to the 11:28 mark of that game WW went on a run from up 1 to up 15. Other than that, we played them even; so sorry it was 5 minutes not 3 minutes.

You must have learned how to measure time and keep score differently than I did. Whitworth led 42-40 at the half. The Pirates outscored you 16-4 and led 58-44 at 12:00. Then the lead went to 69-52 at 8:00. You got the lead down to 13 at 2:40, and lost by 18. Sorry, but you didn't play them even.

As for your mythical Pool C aspirations, CMS better figure out how to beat Pomona this Saturday, because the Stags got worked last time, and the Sagehens are fighting for their conference tournament lives.

OxyBob



Bob- I don't remember you being at the game, but I do remember that Pomona didn't work us last game. As you may know, CMS-PP games can change in a hurry. The Stags had it within 3 with a minute to go, and had a shot to tie it up and go to overtime. The shot didn't go in and free-throw added to the final score. The game was much closer than the score showed.
As for us getting work, this team is playing at a very high level right now and I promise you this, Pomona better get ready for what is coming to them this Saturday. They are going to get hit harder than they have ever got hit before. I was talking to the boys last night after the game and they are ready. They were not happy to give up all of the offensive rebounds and get punished on the boards. I just hope Sexton makes it through the game, because everytime he comes through the lane I promise he will get hit in some way or another. Not cheaply by anymeans, but he will feel everyone's presence.
I don't know if you remember this, but last year the Stags got beat at Pomona and then defeated the Sagehen's at home handily during the SCIAC season and easily again in the SCIAC tournament. If there is one thing we are not worrried about, its not getting "worked by Pomona".

Good luck to Oxy even making the Tournament!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: NWCer on February 18, 2010, 12:12:45 PM
OxyBob, you crack me up, I love peeking in on this board.  Another reason CMS won't get an automatic bid - look no further than Saturday, November 21st, 2009, @ WILLAMETTE.  Horrible loss (in regards for an at-large for CMS). 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 18, 2010, 12:33:29 PM
Quote from: D O.C. on February 18, 2010, 11:36:57 AM
QuotePut all of your other fanciful scenarios out of your mind.

How very inciteful of you.   

A little goadness never hurt anyone.

Quote from: fhsutiger on February 18, 2010, 12:05:13 PM
I don't remember you being at the game, but I do remember that Pomona didn't work us last game. As you may know, CMS-PP games can change in a hurry. The Stags had it within 3 with a minute to go, and had a shot to tie it up and go to overtime. The shot didn't go in and free-throw added to the final score. The game was much closer than the score showed.

You scored 36 lousy points in the last game, 13 in the first half. You got worked. Hopefully Kat will do it to you again this Saturday. Then hopefully Pomona will get the 4th seed and Kat will work you again in the conference tournament and knock you out on your ass.

As for Justin Sexton, try and box him out a little this time so he doesn't get 25 rebounds.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CMSfan on February 18, 2010, 01:26:40 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 18, 2010, 12:33:29 PM
Hopefully Kat will do it to you again this Saturday. Then hopefully Pomona will get the 4th seed and Kat will will work you again in the conference tournament and knock you out on your ass.

Hope springs eternal, big guy.  But I think you're better off taking your own advice:

Quote from: OxyBob on February 18, 2010, 02:30:25 AM
Put all of your other fanciful scenarios out of your mind.

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 18, 2010, 01:50:49 PM
Quote from: CMSfan on February 18, 2010, 01:26:40 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 18, 2010, 12:33:29 PM
Hopefully Kat will do it to you again this Saturday. Then hopefully Pomona will get the 4th seed and Kat will will work you again in the conference tournament and knock you out on your ass.
Hope springs eternal, big guy.  But I think you're better off taking your own advice:

Quote from: OxyBob on February 18, 2010, 02:30:25 AM
Put all of your other fanciful scenarios out of your mind.

March 1, 2008: Pomona 55, Claremont 53 OT

Pomona knocks Claremont out on its ass.

I don't make 'em up, pally.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on February 18, 2010, 02:38:13 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 18, 2010, 01:50:49 PM
Quote from: CMSfan on February 18, 2010, 01:26:40 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 18, 2010, 12:33:29 PM
Hopefully Kat will do it to you again this Saturday. Then hopefully Pomona will get the 4th seed and Kat will will work you again in the conference tournament and knock you out on your ass.
Hope springs eternal, big guy.  But I think you're better off taking your own advice:

Quote from: OxyBob on February 18, 2010, 02:30:25 AM
Put all of your other fanciful scenarios out of your mind.

March 1, 2008: Pomona 55, Claremont 53 OT

Pomona knocks Claremont out on its ass.

I don't make 'em up, pally.

OxyBob


Lots of Stag bashing going on right now, and I dont like it one bit. Sure @ PP this year our guys couldn't score, but you know what - neither could Pomona. From all fans watching they said it was just one of the ugliest games they'd seen ever on both sides. Looking at the final score is just a childish way of breaking down how the game went. CMS obviously played poorly in the first half, but clawed its way back into the game with a chance to tie with around 90 seconds to go.

I mean if you want to talk about getting their asses kicked look no further than CMS vs Oxy this year - I think both those games showed that Oxy can't hang with the class of the SCIAC. At this point Oxy is still not a lock for the SCIAC tourney.

CMS's body of work in SCIAC play speaks for itself - they have won every game they were supposed to, and were a couple of bounces away from being 12-0. We have a very tough close to our season, PP and @ a hot CLU, but I know the guys they are starting to really grasp the importance of each game from here on out. I think a very interesting Stat to look at is how teams have fared in the 2nd half of each SCIAC season the last 5 years:

CMS 26-7
CLU 23-10
P-P  21-12
OXY 19-14

I think this just shows how teams adjust in conference.

Preview for saturday upcoming
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fhsutiger on February 18, 2010, 03:09:15 PM
I hate doing this, because I like Oxybob, but if all he is going to do is throw out stats all the time, then I guess I will throw a few out:

Overall Record (08-2010)

Oxy

Regular Season
11-14 (2008-09)
16-7 (2009-10)

27-21 overall record the last two years (Not including remaining games)

SCIAC Conference Record
7-7 (2008-09)
8-4 (2009-10)

15-11 overall record the last two years (not including remaining games)

CMS

Regular Season
21-7 (2008-09)
19-4 (2009-10)

40-11 overall record the last two years (Not including remaining games)
Lost in first round of SCIAC tourney to CMS (Unfortunate)
Didn't make it last Year! (Ouch)
May not make it this year!


SCIAC Conference Record
11-3 (2008-09)
11-1 (2009-10)

22-4 overall record the last two years (Not including remaining games)

Oh yeah---
SCIAC League Championship Last year and this Year!
SCIAC Tournament Champion Last year

Looks like Coach Scali is building a program and will probably win it again next year with the help of soon to be TWO time Player of the Year Chris Blees and company.

So bring on the Stats, because they speak for themselves. I'm sure you will go back to the 2005-2006 season because that is all you have to go back too! Yes, you guys beat us...I have finally accepted it.

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CMSfan on February 18, 2010, 04:36:53 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 18, 2010, 01:50:49 PM
March 1, 2008: Pomona 55, Claremont 53 OT

Pomona knocks Claremont out on its ass.

I don't make 'em up, pally.

Hard to argue with that flawless logic ::)

All I'm saying is that your dream scenario involves an inferior P-P team beating the Stags 3 times in one year.  Has that ever happened?  Sure, anything's possible, but I find it amusing that you would call anyone out for being fanciful when that's what you're bringing to the table.

Look, if I were in your shoes, I'd also be trying to concoct some scenario in which Oxy could avoid playing the Stags in the SCIAC tournament.  We're flattered, really.  If that helps you sleep at night, great!  But I'd be more worried about qualifying for the tournament in the first place if I were you.

Go Stags!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 18, 2010, 05:01:15 PM
Quote from: fhsutiger on February 18, 2010, 03:09:15 PM
I hate doing this, because I like Oxybob, but if all he is going to do is throw out stats all the time, then I guess I will throw a few out

Those are fascinating statistics.

Here's a multiple choice question:

Since the 1998-1999 season, how many postseason games has Claremont won?

A. Less than 1.
B. None.
C. Zero.
D. Zip.
E. Nada.
F. All of the above.

Quote from: CMSfan on February 18, 2010, 04:36:53 PM
All I'm saying is that your dream scenario involves an inferior P-P team beating the Stags 3 times in one year.  Has that ever happened?

2007-2008
Pomona 56, Claremont 54
Pomona 52, Claremont 42
Pomona 55, Claremont 53 OT

Any other questions?

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CMSfan on February 18, 2010, 05:26:41 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 18, 2010, 05:01:15 PM
Quote from: CMSfan on February 18, 2010, 04:36:53 PM
All I'm saying is that your dream scenario involves an inferior P-P team beating the Stags 3 times in one year.  Has that ever happened?

2007-2008
Pomona 56, Claremont 54
Pomona 52, Claremont 42
Pomona 55, Claremont 53 OT

Any other questions?

OxyBob

Hard to say that team was inferior to the CMS squad, no?

This year is a slightly different story.  P-P is reeling.  CMS is on a roll.  We're not talking about two 8-6 teams this time around.  Good teams have bad games.  CMS had one against P-P.  Based on the rest of the SCIAC season, that seems highly unlikely to happen two more times.  CMS vs. P-P is always exciting.  Anything could happen.  But it's unlikely.  And pinning your hopes on it strikes me as rather fanciful.

I guess it's kind of a subtle point I'm making.  I'll try to be more straightforward in the future if that will help.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 18, 2010, 05:53:07 PM
Quote from: CMSfan on February 18, 2010, 05:26:41 PM
Hard to say that team was inferior to the CMS squad, no?

I thought it was a given among Claremont fans that all teams are inferior to CMS, and that no one's ever actually beaten the Stags merely because the other team was better. There's always some excuse, explanation or justification for CMS losses that are completely independent of the other team's ability and talent. I think you should be drummed out of the corps for implying otherwise.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DIIIghetto on February 18, 2010, 06:02:23 PM

Congrats CMS on a great SCIAC season.  We know it is not an easy thing to do, even in a bottom tier conference.  Your boys deserve to get our ticket but unfortunately deserve has nothing to do with it.  Kats looms and so does that final conference tourney game.  Lots of pressure will be on your boys.  As I said before, I really want Scali to get his ticket this year because the inevitable Chapman v. Stag game will be like the D1 NCAA Tourney play-in game (#64 v #65) and it will get your squad off the post-season SCHNEID.

Jackson State   12-1   -   
Arkansas-Pine Bluff   10-3   2   
Prairie View A&M   8-4   3½   
Texas Southern   8-4   3½   
Alabama State   7-5   7½   
Mississippi Valley State   6-7   
Alabama A&M   5-7      
Grambling State   4-9      
Southern University   2-11   
Alcorn State   1-12   
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 18, 2010, 06:06:08 PM
Some enterprising Mississippian is even now starting to crank out t-shirts that read, "Alcorn State: The Caltech of the South."  ;)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on February 18, 2010, 06:11:05 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 18, 2010, 05:53:07 PM
Quote from: CMSfan on February 18, 2010, 05:26:41 PM
Hard to say that team was inferior to the CMS squad, no?

I thought it was a given among Claremont fans that all teams are inferior to CMS, and that no one's ever actually beaten the Stags merely because the other team was better. There's always some excuse, explanation or justification for CMS losses that are completely independent of the other team's ability and talent. I think you should be drummed out of the corps for implying otherwise.

OxyBob

I think that CMS goes into every game on their schedule feeling confident that they can win. I'd say that there were only a few games that we were actually outmatched talent and ability-wise. It's in the way we play that we feel we control the outcome of every game. Probably vs Concordia Irvine and @WW in the NCAAs last year stand out as games where I though we didn't control the outcome and would have to come up with an upset. I'm not saying those are the only ones, but those ones resonate with me.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: West Coast Bias on February 18, 2010, 07:07:13 PM
Quote from: fhsutiger on February 18, 2010, 12:05:13 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 18, 2010, 11:08:05 AM
Quote from: stag44 on February 18, 2010, 09:55:43 AM



As for us getting work, this team is playing at a very high level right now and I promise you this, Pomona better get ready for what is coming to them this Saturday. They are going to get hit harder than they have ever got hit before. I was talking to the boys last night after the game and they are ready. They were not happy to give up all of the offensive rebounds and get punished on the boards. I just hope Sexton makes it through the game, because everytime he comes through the lane I promise he will get hit in some way or another. Not cheaply by anymeans, but he will feel everyone's presence.


Don't you just love CMS fans?  "They are going to get hit harder than they have ever got hit before",  "I hope Sexton makes it through the game",  "I promise he will get his in some way or another"?  

Am I in the right place?  Are we talking about SCIAC basketball or the WWF?

OxyBob - Can you help me translate the strange language of CMS fans?  Right now here is what I have:

"We played them even" translates to "we lost by 20"
"The game was closer than the score showed" in CMS speak means "We lost by 11"
"CMS beat them handily at home" translates to "CMS won by 6"
"Claremont is an elite academic institution like Cal Tech, Oxy, and Pomona"  really means "CMS has more junior college transfers than the rest of the SCIAC combined"

Any thing else you can help me translate? I don't spend that much time around the CMS folks.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CMSfan on February 18, 2010, 07:11:01 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 18, 2010, 05:53:07 PM
Quote from: CMSfan on February 18, 2010, 05:26:41 PM
Hard to say that team was inferior to the CMS squad, no?

I thought it was a given among Claremont fans that all teams are inferior to CMS, and that no one's ever actually beaten the Stags merely because the other team was better. There's always some excuse, explanation or justification for CMS losses that are completely independent of the other team's ability and talent. I think you should be drummed out of the corps for implying otherwise.

OxyBob

As I said before...

Quote from: CMSfan on February 04, 2010, 01:10:02 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 04, 2010, 09:01:31 AM
Do you Claremont guys ever graciously accept a defeat?

Gosh, I hope not.  Accepting defeat strikes me as contrary to the competitive nature of sports.  Accepting defeat after losing a game comes pretty close to thinking you just weren't good enough to win.  I think the most successful competitive athletes at any level are the ones who lose a game/match/race and afterward focus on what they could have done better, and what they will do better the next time.

Don't get me wrong, I think it's appropriate and sportsmanlike to give credit where it's due for a brief moment.  I think us Claremont guys are pretty good about doing that.  But I hope it's never more than a brief moment.  I hope the same is true for the rest of SCIAC.  Otherwise, we should just stop keeping score and start giving everyone participation trophies.

Bring it, SCIAC!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CMSfan on February 18, 2010, 07:15:05 PM
Quote from: West Coast Bias on February 18, 2010, 07:07:13 PM
Can you help me translate the strange language of CMS fans? ... "Claremont is an elite academic institution like Cal Tech, Oxy, and Pomona"

???

I'm pretty sure no CMS fan has said, or would ever say, that Oxy is an elite academic institution.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on February 19, 2010, 10:45:11 AM
Preview of the Saturday Games:

CalTech @ La Verne
I thought this would be the year for CalTech to break through, but I guess it isn't to be. They'll get run out of the gym in battle between cellar dwellers. ULV 85-48

Cal Lu @ Whittier
Whittier has nothing to play for besides pride and to be a spoiler. CMS knocked them out of the Playoff picture on Wednesday, but they make it difficult for CLU to secure a playoff spot. CLU has been playing inspired basketball in the second half of conference going 5-0. Coach Rider has tightened his rotation even more, with 6 guys playing the majority of the minutes. Aron Van Klaveren seems to have some sort of injury as only played 6 minutes vs Redlands. From the live stream, the announcers mentions some knee soreness, which I hope is just that and no serious ligament or bone damage. Without him, CLU is far more fast paced and Knudsen oriented. He'll lead them to a win on the road easily 67-55.

P-P @ CMS
The most important game in my mind, but not the game of the week in the SCIAC. Since the last time CMS and PP met, both teams have gone in opposite directions. CMS has gone 6-0 while PP has stumbled to a 2-4 record. But, w-l record is thrown out the window when these two teams meet. Saturday night in Ducey is always fun, but especially so when the Stags are playing well and they play their rivals. Friends tell me there is a distinctive buzz around the 5C's for this game. PP is playing to remain relavent in the SCIAC playoff picture, while CMS is looking to keep laying at a high level keep hope for a possible at-large bid if things go awry in the tournament. In their last meeting, both teams stunk up the gym shooting a combined 29-116 (~25%). PP got more second opportunities and finished a few more of their opportunities around the rim. I think this game will have a bit more pace and scoring to it as both Kats and Scali have improved their teams and made neccessary adjusments.

While Chris Blees has just been going about his business getting 18 a game, the Stags supporting cast has really provided a boost the last 6 games. From Shane Davis to Joey Anderson to Pat Lacey on down to Beau Heidrich, a different player has answered the bell provided a boost, whether offensive, defensive, rebounding or overall energy. I've been very impressed with Pat Lacey recently. He has started to understand that no big in the SCIAC can contain him for all 40 minutes. After getting punked in the key the last game, I know Stag practice will focus on securing defensive rebounding and staying physical in the paint against the long Saeghens. The stags have always had good rebounding guards as well, hitting the slots and flying in to clean up the glass while the front line holds off offensive bigs, and I think that we'll see more of that this game.

Pomona has been led by Justin Sexton and Dave Liss and Adam Chaimowitz. Liss has been a rock at the PG position, as well as providing them with a serious scoring punch. Chaimowitz has struggled this year behind the arc, only shooting 27% from 3 in SCIAC. Don't be fooled though, he's a gamer and loves playing in Ducey, so the Stags cannot sleep on him. Justin has just been an incredible force on the court. He seemingly gobbles up every rebound and can score in various different way. He gets alot on put backs and off screen roll. If 2 of these 3 have good games, they usually are going to win, and if all 3 play well then its a lost cause for the opponent.

Again the key will come down to PG play. I fully and solely believe that whoever plays a better game between Liss and Toney will lead their respective team to a win. This does not mean score the most, but rather fill their role the best for their team. For Toney, that means containing Liss, distributing the ball when a second or 3rd defender comes instead of forcing shots or scoring when he has a lane to the hoop. For Liss it means to get to the rim, force the stags to help, and either finish or find the open 3 ball man.

In the first game, CMS simply forced the issue and played like a bunch of individuals. PP always will pack into the key and force you to finish over their length and multiple defenders. This worked beautifully the first game as Blees and Toney continually drove into 2,3, or 4 defenders and forced up shots. I think the film will expose this for both sides and the coachs will make and practice the neccessary adjusments from both sides.

As always I think its going to be a GREAT game with high emotion and big plays being made on both sides. I'll take CMS in a close on 57-52.

Redlands @ Oxy
In the game of the week, we have Redlands travelling to Oxy for 2nd place in SCIAC. I am very interested to see how this game plays out, because it could possibly drop the loser from a T-2 to 5th place and out of the Playoffs. Redlands is coming off a tough defeat to a hot CLU team, but it gets no easier going to Rush and on a Saturday night. Oxy is coming off an easy win vs La Verne at home, and looks to build off that.

I think both sides will realize that a win will all but seal a home game in the semis of the tournament, and I think this is especially important for Redlands. They play much better at home in front of their loud crowd. I think Newhall and Oxy feel less worried about going on the road and playing. Their players have a much more stoic demeanor and are business like, while Redlands really feeds off the home crowd and can get rattled by road crowds. This is an old and heated rivalry, and I expect emotions to run high in this game.

I think the key for Oxy this game is to establish the tempo and be patient on offense. With Hanley, Anderson, McCoy and Conti, i think they can wear out the Bulldogs with physicality and being deliberate. Redlands wants to speed you up, expose your feet and fatigue you into making mistakes. They can give up 10 straight, but dont worry becuase they'll come right back and score 12 in arow. So, Oxy needs to limit turnovers and punish the Bulldogs in the paint. I think Hanley and Anderson will have big games getting to the paint and FT line vs the reaching and poking of Redlands.

For Redlands, they need to be bring their 3 pointers and press. Unlike the "travelling freak show" this team runs a controlled press where they trap once in the backcourt and once in the frontcourt and look to capitalize on those mistakes. They do a 5 in 5 out sub pattern that keeps bodies fresh and allows the unit to go all out for 2-3 minutes. They'll need to turn it into a track meet and hectic to get the win.

I really like Oxy at home in this game. Even though Oxy has struggled in the past to finish off conference strong, they'll pull out a big win at home 68-61




Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D O.C. on February 19, 2010, 11:45:35 AM
QuoteThe most important game in my heard

I think you must have meant herd...like in your posse?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on February 20, 2010, 01:08:09 PM
nice to see the SCIAC getting a picture on the front page!! thanks Pat and D3 admin!!!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cmsme on February 20, 2010, 04:32:45 PM
It was a fun jolt seeing that picture--but I bet it is three years old.  Chris Blees is now #15.
I have tried to  hint to CMS that parents who don't live in the LA area would appreciate pictures of current games.  Many of the pictures on the CMS website are of players I don't recognize and who must have graduated long ago.
Our high school uses student photographers that like to practice.  Anyway--hint. :-*

As for tonight's game--Go Stags!
I look forward to reading everyone's comments on their games.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on February 21, 2010, 01:11:55 AM
From the Oxy website, final in tonight's game, Oxy 74 - Redlands 65
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DIIIghetto on February 21, 2010, 02:12:23 AM

Congrats to Kats and his Hens.  The joy PP fans must have tonight to have emphatically put an asterisk next to the 2010 SCIAC Champ notation...

2010 SCIAC Champ*

*Punked by PP twice.


Every CMS fan must be cringing at what OxyBob predicted here - Kats gets in the SCIAC tournament and gets a chance to face the Stags for the 3rd time...
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 21, 2010, 02:24:29 AM
Eyewitness report from Eagle Rock:

Oxy 74, Redlands 65

A large, enthusiastic Saturday night crowd saw Sean Anderson and Deshun McCoy lead Oxy to victory in the battle for 2nd place in the SCIAC.

In the first half, neither team led by more than 4. The game seesawed back and forth, and McCoy's jumper with 3 seconds left tied the game 38-all at the half. In the second half, UR led 51-44 at 13:50, but Oxy reeled off 8 straight and led 52-51 at 11:45. After the game was tied 57-57 at 8:25, Oxy outscored UR 9-2 over the next 4 minutes and it was 66-59 at 4:20. From there the Tigers made 8 FTs down the stretch, and Redlands couldn't close the gap.

For Oxy, Sean Anderson scored a game-high 26 and grabbed 8 rebounds. Deshun McCoy had 23 points and 11 rebounds, and Jack Hanley added 14. For Redlands, Brian Kuklok scored 14, and Pat Coffey and Justin Sobczyk each had 10. Oxy outrebounded UR 46-34, but the Tigers were 0-for-8 on 3-pointers.

With the win Oxy took over sole possession of 2nd place at 9-4, while Redlands fell to 8-5 and is now tied with Cal Lutheran and Pomona for third. Oxy can clinch the 2nd seed in the conference tournament with a win at Pomona on Tuesday. The possibility of a 4-way tie for second still looms, in which case I believe Pomona will be out of the conference tournament based on head-to-head.

Tuesday's regular season final game schedule, all games 7:30 p.m.:

Oxy (18-7, 9-4) @ Pomona (12-12, 8-5)
Claremont (19-5, 11-2) @ Cal Lutheran (14-10, 8-5)
Redlands (12-12, 8-5) @ La Verne (8-16, 4-9)
Whittier (10-13, 4-9) @ Caltech (0-13, 0-24)

With Caltech's loss tonight at La Verne, the Beavers have now lost 300 consecutive SCIAC games going back to 1985.

Quote from: DIIIghetto on February 21, 2010, 02:12:23 AM
2010 SCIAC Champ*

*Punked by PP twice.

QuoteFrom the 16:31 to the 11:28 mark of that game WW went on a run from up 1 to up 15. Other than that, we played them even

Claremont only lost by 14 tonight, so they must have played Pomona even.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cmsme on February 21, 2010, 12:41:40 PM
I like it better when CMS wins. :-\

The announcer said that, in sports, it is very difficult for a team to beat another team 3 times in one season.  true?
CMS has beat the other teams in the league twice.  Should we be hoping we are going to play PP again?
And everyone says it is the matchups against PP that hurt CMS, but what is it about the matchups that make the shooting go so cold?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DIIIghetto on February 21, 2010, 01:16:19 PM
Good question cmsme.  And my answer is that what happened yesterday is part of the same dynamic that has historically plagued this conference.  Confidence, preparation, execution & sack.  The CMS team that showed up last night is the same team that shows up for the SCIAC in the post-season.  It is why we can't win on the road.  I wasn't there but don't need to have been to know that CMS fought very hard, they just couldn't knock down shots.  Confidence was lacking and PP obviously had it.   It is one thing to play hard and scrape but another to play with a chip in your shoulder and with the feeling that you will not let your team lose. 

I know that players play games, particularly in that packed Ducey gym and in that heated rivalry, but to me that confidence starts at the bench.  Great coaches find a way to get their kids to play with that confidence.  Does anyone doubt that preparing for that game Kats had his kids thinking that (a) it was the most important game of their season and (b) that they were just simply better than their rivals?

Kats did it last night.  He is a master... a SCIAC master that is. 

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 21, 2010, 01:23:07 PM
Quote from: cmsme on February 20, 2010, 04:32:45 PM
It was a fun jolt seeing that picture--but I bet it is three years old.  Chris Blees is now #15.
I have tried to  hint to CMS that parents who don't live in the LA area would appreciate pictures of current games.  Many of the pictures on the CMS website are of players I don't recognize and who must have graduated long ago.
Our high school uses student photographers that like to practice.  Anyway--hint. :-*

As for tonight's game--Go Stags!
I look forward to reading everyone's comments on their games.

Agreed -- the photo was dated 2008 but it was the most recent one other than mug shots to pick from. At least I was relatively sure there was one current player in the photo, despite the number change.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 21, 2010, 01:26:40 PM
Quote from: cmsme on February 21, 2010, 12:41:40 PM
I like it better when CMS wins. :-\

The announcer said that, in sports, it is very difficult for a team to beat another team 3 times in one season.  true?

Paging Dr. Sager --- Dr. Sager to the SCIAC room, stat!

No, basically, I don't think there's a lot of truth to that particular chestnut. The saying used to be that it's difficult to beat a good team three times in one season but clearly, if you played Caltech today the odds wouldn't be in their favor simply because you've already beaten them twice.

If you figure that when two evenly matched teams meet up, the odds of any team winning are 50-50, then yes, there's around a 1-in-6 chance that the same team would win all three. But there's no magical difference in game three that makes it any different than the 50-50 it was for the other meetings.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 21, 2010, 01:39:01 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 21, 2010, 01:26:40 PM
If you figure that when two evenly matched teams meet up, the odds of any team winning are 50-50, then yes, there's around a 1-in-6 chance that the same team would win all three.

And if Pomona wins again there'll be a 100% chance that the CMS fans will suffer, which is really all that matters.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on February 21, 2010, 04:02:05 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 21, 2010, 01:39:01 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 21, 2010, 01:26:40 PM
If you figure that when two evenly matched teams meet up, the odds of any team winning are 50-50, then yes, there's around a 1-in-6 chance that the same team would win all three.

And if Pomona wins again there'll be a 100% chance that the CMS fans will suffer, which is really all that matters.

OxyBob

seems like you get as much pleasure from a CMS loss as you do from an OXY win.

As for the game, I think you hit it pretty well DIIGhetto. I think it comes down to emotions that come with a big game. Some teams and players can zone out the crowd and approach the game the same way and execute a game plan, while others cannot. CMS is an emotionally charged program, which most times is an advantage, but also when you reach an inflection point the emotion can get to be a bit much and almost detrimental for the team. It causes players to get flustered and stray from the game plan.

As for the matchups between CMS and PP, I also think that PP has somethings that make the Stags uncomfortable. They force you to make jumpshots to win, and cause some problems around the key with their length in Sexton and Stephan for the Stag bigs. Kats is a great coach and had his guys prepared for the game. Would love another chance at them with an NCAA bid on the line though.

There are some VERY interesting scenarios for the games on Tuesday night. Doing some hypotheticals right now on the seeding, and there some interesting ways the 2-4 seeds play out, and who gets left out of the playoff. Will update once i've looked them all the way through
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 21, 2010, 04:38:25 PM
Quote from: stag44 on February 21, 2010, 04:02:05 PM
seems like you get as much pleasure from a CMS loss as you do from an OXY win.

It's always a great day when Oxy wins. And I get no pleasure from a CMS loss. I get pleasure from your extreme displeasure and incredulity from a CMS loss.

QuoteDoing some hypotheticals right now on the seeding, and there some interesting ways the 2-4 seeds play out, and who gets left out of the playoff. Will update once i've looked them all the way through

Glad you're up to that task.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DIIIghetto on February 22, 2010, 11:29:12 AM
The silence is deafening out of Claremont. 

The game at Cal Lu could be replayed this weekend so it will be a great one to watch.  If Cal Lu wins that game, as I think they will, Cal Lu becomes the team to beat.  By itself that would be a remarkable tournaround. 

This is a great year for the SCIAC Tournament and the entire reason why it was so important that the old guard finally gave the nod to put it in place.  If CMS loses tomorrow night, the SCIAC champ would have otherwise gone limping into the post-season.  With the conference tournament, two things will happen that will put us in a better position to send the team with the best chance of winning in the Dance: (a) a team will streak through with two Ws in pressure environments, or (b) CMS will get another game and a chance to gain distance from the haunting agony of the Kats female dog slap.  Either scenario puts our conference rep in a much better position than if we did not have the conference tourney and CMS won the ticket based on their Ws in the 1st half of league. 

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on February 22, 2010, 11:41:14 AM
Quote from: DIIIghetto on February 22, 2010, 11:29:12 AM
The silence is deafening out of Claremont. 

The game at Cal Lu could be replayed this weekend so it will be a great one to watch.  If Cal Lu wins that game, as I think they will, Cal Lu becomes the team to beat.  By itself that would be a remarkable tournaround. 

This is a great year for the SCIAC Tournament and the entire reason why it was so important that the old guard finally gave the nod to put it in place.  If CMS loses tomorrow night, the SCIAC champ would have otherwise gone limping into the post-season.  With the conference tournament, two things will happen that will put us in a better position to send the team with the best chance of winning in the Dance: (a) a team will streak through with two Ws in pressure environments, or (b) CMS will get another game and a chance to gain distance from the haunting agony of the Kats female dog slap.  Either scenario puts our conference rep in a much better position than if we did not have the conference tourney and CMS won the ticket based on their Ws in the 1st half of league. 
What a bunch of crap.  A tournament makes the regular season almost meaningless.  They only exist because the ACC found it was a good way to make big bucks.  There are no big bucks in the SCIAC.  They might as well let Chapman play them during the league season because the games are meaningless.  At least the SCIAC doesn't let all the teams in so some lucky second tier team gets to go to the Big Dance.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 22, 2010, 12:39:18 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on February 22, 2010, 11:41:14 AM
Quote from: DIIIghetto on February 22, 2010, 11:29:12 AM
This is a great year for the SCIAC Tournament and the entire reason why it was so important that the old guard finally gave the nod to put it in place.   
What a bunch of crap.  A tournament makes the regular season almost meaningless. 

Must agree with Gray Fox. The SCIAC AQ should go to Claremont because the Stags won the conference. Appreciate the body of work over the conference season, and not what happens in an unpredictable, single-elimination, 4-team tournament. If there's another SCIAC team which deserves an at-large Pool C bid, then great, they get in, too. Conference tournaments are exciting to be sure, but today the only teams who are in favor of the tournament are Oxy, UR, CLU, and Pomona.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on February 22, 2010, 01:08:18 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 22, 2010, 12:39:18 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on February 22, 2010, 11:41:14 AM
Quote from: DIIIghetto on February 22, 2010, 11:29:12 AM
This is a great year for the SCIAC Tournament and the entire reason why it was so important that the old guard finally gave the nod to put it in place.   
What a bunch of crap.  A tournament makes the regular season almost meaningless. 

Must agree with Gray Fox. The SCIAC AQ should go to Claremont because the Stags won the conference. Appreciate the body of work over the conference season, and not what happens in an unpredictable, single-elimination, 4-team tournament. If there's another SCIAC team which deserves an at-large Pool C bid, then great, they get in, too. Conference tournaments are exciting to be sure, but today the only teams who are in favor of the tournament are Oxy, UR, CLU, and Pomona.

OxyBob

Playing in a SCIAC tournament game is great, but I have to agree with OxyBob and Gray Fox. The conference season becomes a bit more marginalized, as you'll have more room for error. Perfect example of this is CLU this year - even after a 2-5 start, they can forget about it and still receive a bid. It's great for upsets or streaking team, but really does not award consistency. Before the conference tourney started, if we lost a game in SCIAC play it was HUGE. You knew you had to go 11-3 or better to get the conference bid. CMS and PP have been on the lucky side of things the 2 years we've had the tournament, but given the known lack of bids for the SCIAC, it seems more appropriate that our bid is determined on an entire body of work rather than 2 games.

In 07-08, I'm sure Oxy and CLU felt the same way, especially CLU becasue they were the 2 top seeds and were knocked off. With a strong non-conference, Oxy was able to get an at-large, but CLU was one of the last teams left out. CMS and PP were both teams with 8-6 records while CLU and OXY were both at 11-3 probably would have both made the tournament if we didn't have a Conference tourney. This is all hindsight though. 

I agree that the games are fun, exciting to watch, but they do not reward a full complete season. If we were in a power conference that got multiple bids on a regular basis, then a tournament would be fine, but for our one precious bid, it seems like a full season provides a better barometer than a 2 game playoff. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DIIIghetto on February 22, 2010, 01:22:13 PM
Gray Fox is tainted by his knowledge of other conference tournaments.  The genesis of the SCIAC tourney is not to make money, but instead to prepare our conference champ for post-season play. We are a bottom-tier conference that always gets shipped on the road to places where basketball is a greater priority and there is greater fan support.  Because of that reality we need to do everything we can to prepare.

This year is a PERFECT example of why we need the SCIAC tournament.  Sure CMS has earned the ticket but if they go into the postseason limping, then none of us should want them to be our representative.  I would rather have a cumatively disappointing but surging Cal Lu represent us if that puts us in the best position to claw our way out of the DIII ghetto to become a middle tier conference. 



Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on February 22, 2010, 01:36:21 PM
John Wooden's goal was always to win the PAC10 (PCC) conference championship.  There was no conference tournament.  It didn't seem to hurt the Bruins success.  A champion will win regardless of conditions or venue.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DIIIghetto on February 22, 2010, 02:50:14 PM
To paraphrase from AI:

"We are talking about Wooden in a SCIAC basketball conversation, JOHN WOODEN!!!!"
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DIIIghetto on February 22, 2010, 03:39:55 PM
Did anyone notice that the Stags could get a chance to play PP if they have the sack and skill to beat CLU?  Or will they run for the hills and be thankful to duck their rivals?

Of course, PP has to beat a tough Tiger team. 

It will be interesting to see how many minutes Blees plays.  If Scali plays him 20, we will know the tank/duck Kats was on.  Problem with tanking that game is that Cal Lu might be coming right back and you might not want them to get too confident...
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 22, 2010, 03:49:18 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 21, 2010, 01:26:40 PM
Quote from: cmsme on February 21, 2010, 12:41:40 PM
I like it better when CMS wins. :-\

The announcer said that, in sports, it is very difficult for a team to beat another team 3 times in one season.  true?

Paging Dr. Sager --- Dr. Sager to the SCIAC room, stat!

No, basically, I don't think there's a lot of truth to that particular chestnut. The saying used to be that it's difficult to beat a good team three times in one season but clearly, if you played Caltech today the odds wouldn't be in their favor simply because you've already beaten them twice.

If you figure that when two evenly matched teams meet up, the odds of any team winning are 50-50, then yes, there's around a 1-in-6 chance that the same team would win all three. But there's no magical difference in game three that makes it any different than the 50-50 it was for the other meetings.

Nicely done, Patrick. No need here to have me pick up the white courtesy phone. ;)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on February 22, 2010, 04:22:50 PM
Quote from: DIIIghetto on February 22, 2010, 03:39:55 PM
Did anyone notice that the Stags could get a chance to play PP if they have the sack and skill to beat CLU?  Or will they run for the hills and be thankful to duck their rivals?

Of course, PP has to beat a tough Tiger team. 

It will be interesting to see how many minutes Blees plays.  If Scali plays him 20, we will know the tank/duck Kats was on.  Problem with tanking that game is that Cal Lu might be coming right back and you might not want them to get too confident...

I think its absurd that you think the Stags would "tank" a game. That is just terrible. You play to win, end of story.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DIIIghetto on February 22, 2010, 04:42:58 PM

There are some rumors that Kats did something similar a few years back.  Tanking a game is the sensational way to look at it.  Another way is to note, " Coach Scali took advantage of his secured conference title and home court advantage to rest key players for long stretches against Cal Lu."

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CMSfan on February 22, 2010, 06:18:09 PM
Quote from: DIIIghetto on February 22, 2010, 11:29:12 AM
This is a great year for the SCIAC Tournament and the entire reason why it was so important that the old guard finally gave the nod to put it in place.  If CMS loses tomorrow night, the SCIAC champ would have otherwise gone limping into the post-season.  With the conference tournament, two things will happen that will put us in a better position to send the team with the best chance of winning in the Dance: (a) a team will streak through with two Ws in pressure environments, or (b) CMS will get another game and a chance to gain distance from the haunting agony of the Kats female dog slap.  Either scenario puts our conference rep in a much better position than if we did not have the conference tourney and CMS won the ticket based on their Ws in the 1st half of league.

Quote from: stag44 on February 22, 2010, 01:08:18 PM
Playing in a SCIAC tournament game is great, but I have to agree with OxyBob and Gray Fox. The conference season becomes a bit more marginalized, as you'll have more room for error.

This is a tough one for me, but ultimately I think I like the tournament.  Since only four teams get in, you still have to earn a spot.  The SCIAC tournament is the closest approximation to the national tournament, with high-intensity, win-or-go-home games.  Sure, CMS has been fairly dominant in SCIAC (except for freaking P-P!), but I think the weaknesses exposed against P-P are real and CMS still has something to prove.  Putting more weight on the most recent results makes sense to me, so I like the tournament.

That said, if CMS had gone undefeated in SCIAC play, but then lost in the tournament, I'd probably feel differently.  But, in such a case, hopefully at at-large bid would be in the works.  There's probably no perfect system, but I think the current one gives SCIAC the best chance of winning games in the postseason.  That said, I'll be awfully disappointed if the Stags fail to get the SCIAC bid, and I'll be absolutely crestfallen if it's P-P that knocks us out.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 22, 2010, 06:35:09 PM
Quote from: CMSfan on February 22, 2010, 06:18:09 PM
That said, if CMS had gone undefeated in SCIAC play, but then lost in the tournament, I'd probably feel differently. 

Undefeated in SCIAC?! Who the heck do you think you are? Oxy?

http://www.d3hoops.com/school/OXY/mens/2003

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: West Coast Bias on February 22, 2010, 06:59:18 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 22, 2010, 06:35:09 PM
Quote from: CMSfan on February 22, 2010, 06:18:09 PM
That said, if CMS had gone undefeated in SCIAC play, but then lost in the tournament, I'd probably feel differently. 

Undefeated in SCIAC?! Who the heck do you think you are? Oxy?

http://www.d3hoops.com/school/OXY/mens/2003

OxyBob

I don't know which is more amazing about that season, the undefeated SCIAC record or the 70-69 loss to La Sierra (whose only other wins that year were against Cal Tech) at home!!!!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on February 23, 2010, 04:22:04 PM
Exciting night in the SCIAC! But around 10:00PST we'll have our 4 SCIAC teams and know whose playing who and where they'll be, but before that we have some games to play:

CMS @ CLU
Big BIG game for both teams. The Stags want to have a head of steam going into the Playoffs and the Kingsmen want a place in tournament.

Interesting fact: CMS has not won at the new CLU gym yet, going 0-3. First two were tough last second losses, while last year they fell after getting blitzed in the second half by Knudsen.

CLU has won 6 straight with their last loss coming to the Stags, pushing them to a 2-5 record midway through conference. Kyle Knudsen has been an absolute monster in second halfs, simply taking over games, getting to the line and scoring at will.

The Stags, minus thier PP duds, have not been beaten in conference. After their last PP loss, they took care of CLU at home thanks to a strong start and strong finish. For the middle 20 minutes though, CLU showed flashes and took the lead at one point in the second half (around 15 minutes to play). Then Blees picked up his game, and Joey Anderson had an absolutely MONSTER game on O and D. He was tasked with stopping Knudsen, and while he still got his points, Joey made it difficult.

This will be a very very difficult game for the Stags. I have a feeling that Gilbert will be full of ever-rowdy students ready to taunt any Stag misstep. They have to keep their composure and maintain a calm. There will be emotional swings and also HUGE point swings. I could see this going +/- 12 points either direction through the course of the game.

CLU will look to establish inside in the 1st half and then leave it to Knudsen in the 2nd. Stags have to understand and realize that Knudsen lives for the 2nd half and will take a huge chunk of shots then and force the issues around the basket to draw fouls.

To me its a pick-em game, but I given my roots I gotta go with the stags 65-63.

OXY @ PP - A very interesting game that could have either team missing the playoff with a loss. Kats v Newhall is always interesting. I like Oxy coming into this game, but also know that PP will be ready to win and continue their season. I'll take PP in a close one at home: 58-55

Redlands @ ULV - Redlands should take care of business and lock up a bid, but if they don't they're in jeopardy of dropping out of the race.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 23, 2010, 04:42:26 PM
Quote from: stag44 on February 23, 2010, 04:22:04 PM
This will be a very very difficult game for the Stags. I have a feeling that Gilbert will be full of ever-rowdy students ready to taunt any Stag misstep.

The crowd is never a problem at CLU. Gilbert is sterile and the CLU fans are quiet and dull. Nice gym, no atmosphere. The old converted airplane hanger with the low ceiling and mood lighting was much tougher for visitors.

Quote from: stag44 on February 23, 2010, 04:22:04 PM
OXY @ PP - A very interesting game that could have either team missing the playoff with a loss. Kats v Newhall is always interesting. I like Oxy coming into this game, but also know that PP will be ready to win and continue their season. I'll take PP in a close one at home: 58-55

In the prior meeting, Oxy played a great first half and the Sagehens never recovered. The Tigers held Pomona to 14 points on 24% FGs and 0-for-7 on 3s. Sean Anderson had a double-double and Deshun McCoy shut down Justin Sexton. The Tigers better contain Dave Liss and Adam Chiamowitz from outside or Oxy will have trouble.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DIIIghetto on February 23, 2010, 04:45:45 PM
Stag44, this is the real post-season test.  If you win Saturday, you will likely go to Chapman.  Possibly a trip to Spokane after that.  If Blees & Co can't win in Thousand Oaks, we are in trouble. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on February 23, 2010, 05:19:18 PM
Quote from: DIIIghetto on February 23, 2010, 04:45:45 PM
Stag44, this is the real post-season test.  If you win Saturday, you will likely go to Chapman.  Possibly a trip to Spokane after that.  If Blees & Co can't win in Thousand Oaks, we are in trouble. 

Agreed. It's the longest trip we make in SCIAC, and we've always had trouble at their place. I think the most important part of that statement though is &Co. Blees has been as consistent and potent as anyone I can remember in the SCIAC, but its going to take stellar efforts from Toney, Lacey, Anderson, Faught, Bagby, Davis, all the way down. You know you're going to get around 18-6 from Blees each night, but its been a question this year of whether Toney Bagby and Faught come to play. Toney seems to have put too much on his shoulders this year from a scoring perspective. If he takes a step back and instead focuses on driving to pass, he'd get 7-10 assists a game because he consistently draws 2 and 3 defenders. The same way, Bagby and Faught have pressed the issue a bit this year as well. Their shooting sets up the rest of the game, and as we all know most of shooting at this level is about confidence. They are two of the best and most clutch shooters I've ever played with, and need to remember that they've made BIG shots time and again. I have full faith that if those 3 play well, along with the consistent play from Blees Lace and Anderson, the Stags will win tonight.

Quote from: OxyBob on February 23, 2010, 04:42:26 PM
Quote from: stag44 on February 23, 2010, 04:22:04 PM
This will be a very very difficult game for the Stags. I have a feeling that Gilbert will be full of ever-rowdy students ready to taunt any Stag misstep.

The crowd is never a problem at CLU. Gilbert is sterile and the CLU fans are quiet and dull. Nice gym, no atmosphere. The old converted airplane hanger with the low ceiling and mood lighting was much tougher for visitors.

OxyBob

Last year when we played there, it wasn't so much the volume of the crowd, but rather what they said and how they carried themselves. They taunted us as we were exiting the gym and getting on the bus.. Also, the old gym provided countless dead spots and tricky shots from corners that actually we were told about before we got there and practiced once we arrived.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 23, 2010, 05:39:08 PM
Quote from: stag44 on February 23, 2010, 05:19:18 PM
Last year when we played there, it wasn't so much the volume of the crowd, but rather what they said and how they carried themselves.

Well, there is the one guy with the yellow "Cuidado: Piso Mojado" (http://www.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/5843235/2/istockphoto_5843235-caution-wet-floor-cone-sign-with-motion-blurred-legs-walking.jpg) safety cone that he uses as a megaphone. The Claremont guys should be able to ignore him.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Olsen Road on February 24, 2010, 12:40:24 AM
After the excellent win by the Kingsmen, the SCIAC has a 3 way tie after CMS.  What are the tie-breaking rules for the seeds?  Regardless of the seeds, this will be a very interesting tourney. 

Wish KadyTV had the capability to broadcast the tourney games for the out of towners/staters.  Any alternatives?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on February 24, 2010, 08:21:15 AM
Quote from: Olsen Road on February 24, 2010, 12:40:24 AM
After the excellent win by the Kingsmen, the SCIAC has a 3 way tie after CMS.  What are the tie-breaking rules for the seeds?  Regardless of the seeds, this will be a very interesting tourney. 

Wish KadyTV had the capability to broadcast the tourney games for the out of towners/staters.  Any alternatives?

Great win for the Kingsmen at home. Really made all the plays at the end of the game, Grimm came through huge the last couple possesions. CMS played well, but just could not string together stops. Incredible run for CLU in the second half of conference 7-0 and forcing their way into the SCIAC playoff.

Really unfortunate loss for Redlands as they went from sitting pretty in 2nd place 3 games ago, to being the odd one out and in 5th place. PP snuck out with a win at home getting rights to a home game vs CLU.

The SCIAC tourney as follows:

Oxy @ CMS
CLU @ PP

Friday night, games start at 730.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 24, 2010, 10:38:31 AM
Quote from: stag44 on February 24, 2010, 08:21:15 AM
Great win for the Kingsmen at home. Really made all the plays at the end of the game, Grimm came through huge the last couple possesions. CMS played well, but just could not string together stops.

Eyewitness report from Thousand Oaks:

Cal Lutheran 74, Claremont 67

CLU made every key basket and free throw and CMS didn't.

The first half was tight all the way. CLU led by 8 at 19-11, but Claremont came back and tied it at 23. 5-point swing at the end of the first half: With CMS up 33-30 and 40 seconds to go, Jason Toney stole the ball at midcourt and went in for a what looked like an uncontested  layup, but Kyle Knudsen made a great block on the ball. Claremont screamed for goaltending but no dice. That was big because Knudsen hit a 3-ball with 5 seconds left to tie the score.

In the second half, CLU outscored Claremont 10-2 and led 43-35 at 16:30. The Stags didn't get closer than 3 the rest of the way. Every time CMS tried to make a run, Cal Lutheran answered. Knudsen, Fisher, Grimm and Meier were nails, and the Kingsmen were just the better team last night.

Notable stats in the Oxy-Pomona game: 16 total fouls called, 9 on Oxy and 7 on Pomona. Only 7 FTs were taken by 3 players between the teams; Shawn Stephan was 3-for-3 for the Sagehens, and Deshun McCoy and Jake Copithorne were 2-for-2 and 1-for-2 for the Tigers.

Gotta hand it to Pomona for getting the second seed in the tournament. Beating Claremont twice is what clinched it.

OxyBob

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D O.C. on February 24, 2010, 11:54:52 AM
Loosely following your SCIAC it seems beating CMS was not a big deal.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Olsen Road on February 24, 2010, 01:12:47 PM
CLU did come up big with crucial shots, plays and block.  As noted by OxyBob, the end of the half play by Knudsen turned out to be huge.   CLU did come up with timely plays, however, I thought the tide had turned for CMS with the four-point play.  Happy to see CLU hang in there.

Will I be regulated to thesciac.org for updates Friday evening with CLU plays at PP?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cmsme on February 24, 2010, 10:45:34 PM
The consensus seems to be that CMS (or the tournament winner) will play the first game at Chapman.  How do people know that?  In the regional rankings, CMS is above Chapman.  What purpose are those regional rankings?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 25, 2010, 02:04:05 AM
Quote from: cmsme on February 24, 2010, 10:45:34 PM
The consensus seems to be that CMS (or the tournament winner) will play the first game at Chapman.  

Assuming Chapman gets a Pool B bid, Claremont wins the SCIAC tournament, and the two are paired up in the first round, it's possible that Chapman would host for the same reason SCIAC champ CMS had to travel to at-large Oxy for a first round playoff game in 2006 -- CMS plays in a shoebox that doesn't meet NCAA seating requirements.

Oh, and as to your question about the purpose of the regional rankings, in the case of the SCIAC they mean little, since there is the unwritten "SCIAC exception" to the NCAA selection criteria.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on February 25, 2010, 10:20:18 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 25, 2010, 02:04:05 AM

CMS plays in a shoebox that doesn't meet NCAA seating requirements.

OxyBob

Actually, the Seating requirements to host are at least 1000 people. While we do play in a very cozy gym, we have capacity of around 1400, which has risen to around 1600-1700 in a few CMS-PP battles.

I'm actually curious what the max capacity at Chapman is. No knock on their team, but their floor is one of the worst I've played on in college. Always seems dusty and hard to cut on. But, who knows what the committee has in store for the SoCal matchups
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on February 25, 2010, 11:23:43 AM
Chapman's Hutton Center holds around 2400. The floor is refinished during the summer each year.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 25, 2010, 11:39:34 AM
Chapman is higher in the regional rankings than CMS. If that doesn't change, Chapman would host. Kinda doesn't matter what CMS' seating is.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DIIIghetto on February 25, 2010, 11:46:57 AM
Right now the Stags need to keep their fingers crossed that Kats doesn't pull a rabbit out of the hat and beat the SCIAC's hottest team.  I like CMS's chances against Oxy and even Cal Lu at Ducey, but the pressure on those Stag players against the Hens would be just too great.  The thought of getting punked twice by PP has to haunt them already, can you imagine a 3rd loss?  In a season where they played so well? 

As a SCIAC fan I am pulling for that game to be played.  Fans would need to bring plastic butter knives to that game to cut the tension in the air...
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DIIIghetto on February 25, 2010, 12:07:31 PM
Predictions for Friday:

CMS 84 - Oxy 54
CLU 65 - PP 64 OT

CMS will straighten out the ship and walk away with this one.   Beating a team for a 3rd time in a year is not that difficult.  Oxy will roll over. 
As much as I wish Kats could pull it out, I think CLU is on too great of a roll to be denied.   
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on February 25, 2010, 12:23:40 PM
Quote from: DIIIghetto on February 25, 2010, 11:46:57 AM
Right now the Stags need to keep their fingers crossed that Kats doesn't pull a rabbit out of the hat and beat the SCIAC's hottest team.  I like CMS's chances against Oxy and even Cal Lu at Ducey, but the pressure on those Stag players against the Hens would be just too great.  The thought of getting punked twice by PP has to haunt them already, can you imagine a 3rd loss?  In a season where they played so well? 

As a SCIAC fan I am pulling for that game to be played.  Fans would need to bring plastic butter knives to that game to cut the tension in the air...

I think that CMS would love to play PP again on Saturday for an NCAA bid. No question. Thats part of the rivalry and it would follow suit of the last 2 tournament finals as well. To be quite honest, either CLU or PP would be a redemption game for CMS, and I would love another CMS PP battle, this time with ALL the marbles on the line.

Quote from: DIIIghetto on February 25, 2010, 12:07:31 PM
Predictions for Friday:

CMS 84 - Oxy 54
CLU 65 - PP 64 OT

CMS will straighten out the ship and walk away with this one.   Beating a team for a 3rd time in a year is not that difficult.  Oxy will roll over. 
As much as I wish Kats could pull it out, I think CLU is on too great of a roll to be denied.   

I do agree with your predictions though. I'm not sure if CMS will run them that far out of Claremont, but I do agree that CMS will come with renewed focus and passion to defend. Oxy will come ready, but its tough to see them pulling off the upset.

As for CLU-PP - I think you're dead on as well. The last two games have been decided by a combined 4 points with 3 pointers being made in the last 10 seconds of each game. They matchup with each other so well that its difficult to see this game getting lopsided at all. CLU is riding high after thier 7-0 second half, and the key will be to keep Knudsen in check during the 2nd half and limiting the Kingsmen's FT attempts. They have had an astonishing number of fts during the win streak and it comes from their agression to get to the rim and force the issue. But, if there is any team that plays D without fouling its PP. Its not to say that they arent agressive, but they are long and able to defend without creating too much contact. As usual, I expect PP to mix in a decent amount of zone with their man, and outside of Knudsen and Grimm they'll play packed in the key forcing contested jumpers and collapsing on penetration.

As for CLU on Defense they'll probably play a majority of man, though we may see them play some of their quasi-matchup zone/switching man defense that has been effective vs PP. Not sure what the injury report is on Van Klaveran, but he's played 8 total minutes the last 3 games including a DNP vs CMS. So, with that, CLU loses some muscle and depth in the middle, but as seen vs CMS, their main horses all play most of the game. Meier, Knudsen, Fisher all played almost the entire game. I assume Rider will play his guys 35+ minutes without question.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on February 25, 2010, 12:30:37 PM
All SCIAC Teams:

POY: Chris Blees, CMS (back-to-back)

1st Team:
Kyle Knudsen, CLU
Dave Liss, PP
Justin Sexton, PP
Jack Hanley, Oxy
Greg Grimm, CLU

2nd Team:
Drew Menez or Damon Perry, Whittier
Mike Edwards, Caltech
Pat Lacey, CMS
Pat Coffey, Redlands
Deshun McCoy, Oxy
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 25, 2010, 01:48:42 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 25, 2010, 11:39:34 AM
Chapman is higher in the regional rankings than CMS. If that doesn't change, Chapman would host. Kinda doesn't matter what CMS' seating is.

Naturally I hope that Oxy wins the SCIAC tournament and gets the AQ, but if Claremont wins it then the Stags better end up ranked ahead of Chapman (No. 391 of 407 OWP) in the regional rankings because it'd otherwise be a joke.

PC, I can't remember: Was Oxy regionally ranked ahead of Claremont in 2006 when the Stags won the conference but Oxy hosted the first round playoff game?

Quote from: stag44 on February 25, 2010, 12:30:37 PM
POY: Chris Blees, CMS (back-to-back)

No way. Kyle Knudsen wins it.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on February 25, 2010, 02:00:09 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 25, 2010, 01:48:42 PM

Quote from: stag44 on February 25, 2010, 12:30:37 PM
POY: Chris Blees, CMS (back-to-back)

No way. Kyle Knudsen wins it.

OxyBob

Trust me, I think its a close call between the two, but given that CMS won the SCIAC by 2 games, and CLU struggled through a 2-5 start, it will be tough to give it to Kyle. I do agree that if you take Blees away from the Stags and replace him with an average SCIAC starter, the Stags probably drop 2-3 games, but if you take Knudsen away from CLU, they probably drom 4-6 games more.

But, the SCIAC usually gives the POY to the conference title winner. I thought last year as well, Knudsen deserved merit for the POY, more so than this year, but came up as a 1st teamer. I would not be opposed to a Co-POY, but for as long as I can go back, I dont remember a POY going to a non SCIAC championship player.

in 04-05, Alexander Lloyd won the SCIAC POY for PP, but his numbers were good but not POY good. PP won the title that year though, so he got it. The consensus was that Brian Jolley should have gotten it, but because CMS didn't win he didn't get it.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 25, 2010, 05:08:43 PM
Quote from: stag44 on February 25, 2010, 10:20:18 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 25, 2010, 02:04:05 AM

CMS plays in a shoebox that doesn't meet NCAA seating requirements.

OxyBob

Actually, the Seating requirements to host are at least 1000 people. While we do play in a very cozy gym, we have capacity of around 1400, which has risen to around 1600-1700 in a few CMS-PP battles.

The seating requirements are only relevant in terms of hosting sectionals. In order to host sectionals a school has to have a 1000-seat gym. For first- and second-round games, the NCAA's only requirement is that the gym have a regulation-size floor. There are no seating-capacity stipulations whatsoever. The rules are spelled out under the Site Selection heading on page 7 of the 2010 D3 men's basketball championship handbook. (http://web1.ncaa.org/web_files/champ_handbooks/basketball/2010/10_3_mbasketball.pdf)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on February 25, 2010, 08:10:27 PM
We will be broadcasting the Oxy-CMS game at www.oxybroadcast.com.  Good luck, Tigers.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 25, 2010, 11:32:24 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 25, 2010, 05:08:43 PM
For first- and second-round games, the NCAA's only requirement is that the gym have a regulation-size floor.

There is a basketball court inside Ducey Gym, but not much else. Maybe I'll bring a tape measure with me and see if the floor is regulation size.

QuoteIn preparation for Friday's contest, knowing the potential for having a very large crowd in Ducey Gym, we want to alert fans to the pre-event planning and measures we are taking to provide the best possible environment for these games.

...
2.  Seating is first come, first served; if we reach capacity we will have to stop admitting spectators.
3.  CMS fans will sit on the west side bleachers and the half of the east side behind the CMS team bench; OXY fans will sit in the half of the west side bleachers behind the OXY team bench and in the balcony seating area.
4.  At some point we will have to stop admitting fans as all seats and available standing area will be filled. Those turned away are welcome to return at halftime, and will be admitted if space is available.
...
9.  Because Ducey Gym does not have air conditioning, there is concern with the heat and humidity created by the crowd. We have rented air circulation units in an effort to keep air moving in the gym and balcony area to keep the facility cooler.
...

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 26, 2010, 01:45:46 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 25, 2010, 01:48:42 PM
PC, I can't remember: Was Oxy regionally ranked ahead of Claremont in 2006 when the Stags won the conference but Oxy hosted the first round playoff game?

We can reasonably assume so. Here's the last regional ranking we saw that year:

West
1 UW-Stout 16-4 19-5
2 Puget Sound 15-2 20-4
3 Carleton 17-4 20-5
4 Occidental 11-3 18-4
5 UW-Whitewater 15-5 19-5
6 UW-La Crosse 17-6 19-6
7 Wartburg 17-4 19-5
8 St. Thomas 18-5 20-5

Oxy, of course, subsequently lost in order to get into the situation in the first place.

Remember, too, in this instance CMS is already behind Chapman and in your hypothetical neither of them will lose.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 26, 2010, 09:56:49 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 26, 2010, 01:45:46 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 25, 2010, 01:48:42 PM
PC, I can't remember: Was Oxy regionally ranked ahead of Claremont in 2006 when the Stags won the conference but Oxy hosted the first round playoff game?

We can reasonably assume so.
...

Oxy, of course, subsequently lost in order to get into the situation in the first place.

Remember, too, in this instance CMS is already behind Chapman and in your hypothetical neither of them will lose.

My hypothetical assumes that Claremont wins two games in the SCIAC tournament while Chapman sits idle growing rust and gathering dust. Are the regional rankings released this week the final ones? Has the NCAA disposed of the secret ranking on Selection Sunday that the public does not get to see?

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on February 26, 2010, 10:05:25 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 26, 2010, 09:56:49 AM

My hypothetical assumes that Claremont wins two games in the SCIAC tournament while Chapman sits idle growing rust and gathering dust. Are the regional rankings released this week the final ones? Has the NCAA disposed of the secret ranking on Selection Sunday that the public does not get to see?

OxyBob

I think we can be sure that the Chapman staff and players will be around the Claremont Colleges tonight. I bet they are hoping for someone else besides CMS in the NCAAs. I'm actually very curious what they are doing to stay competitive and in game mode.

But, enough about those panthers, we got some GREAT games tonight.
6th street will be full of hoops tonight, and you have options to view both games.

Should be fun, but a downer is that PP-CLU has no stats,audio, or video. CMS-Oxy will have live stats and should have audio as well.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on February 26, 2010, 02:37:29 PM
Quote from: stag44 on February 26, 2010, 10:05:25 AMCMS-Oxy will have live stats and should have audio as well.

We certainly will.  www.oxybroadcast.com.  Should be a fun night. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on February 26, 2010, 02:39:27 PM
By the way, if there is anyone going to the PP-CLU game tonight and has mobile IM, I and my listeners would appreciate it if we could exchange frequent updates.  Text might be a bit dicey at Ducey as I may have to use my cel phone as a modem, so Mobile IM is preferred.  Let me know at contact@oxybroadcast.com and I'll make it happen.  Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldchap on February 26, 2010, 03:12:55 PM
Quote from: stag44 on February 26, 2010, 10:05:25 AM
I think we can be sure that the Chapman staff and players will be around the Claremont Colleges tonight. I bet they are hoping for someone else besides CMS in the NCAAs.

Chapman staff and players don't care about anything except to be in the tournament. They will be happy to take on any opponent: Oxy, which they haven't played this year and hope to beat to add yet another win to their stellar 2-year record against the SCIAC; CLU, which they beat twice already this season; PP, which they beat once and CMS, which they hope to show that their one point win was just a fluke.

We'll know for sure on Sunday, but let's assume the Panthers make it to the tournament. I don't know what the final outcome will be but rest assured that I know a bunch of guys in this team who have a chip on their shoulder. They have been bashed and trashed for the last 2 years on these forums and have something to prove. So, whoever shows up at their gym on March 5th better be ready. And if it's one and out for Chapman, so be it. But for those who think that whoever goes to Spokane is going to come back to So Cal with their tail between their legs, I got news for you. If Chapman gets that chance, they won't be intimidated and could very well stun the pundits.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on February 26, 2010, 03:23:15 PM
To those CMS cheerleaders who seem to be worrying about Chapman alot lately.

You should be sending all of your karma toward your own team. Take care of business tonight, and tomorrow, then worry about where and who you will play. Sometimes silence about your opposition and opinion is best, otherwise it  can come back to haunt you....especially with OXYBOB and the others on this board waiting to jump if CMS doesn't take care of business.

Good luck to all four teams, may the best team, giving the best effort, win all three games.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 26, 2010, 03:30:41 PM
Quote from: oldchap on February 26, 2010, 03:12:55 PM
happy to take on any opponent
their one point win was just a fluke
a chip on their shoulder
have something to prove
whoever shows up at their gym on March 5th better be ready
they won't be intimidated
could very well stun the pundits

Whoa, I'm inspired. Great pep talk.

You missed a few:

They always give 110 percent.
We're taking it one game at a time.
We have to stay focused.
This team always seems to find a way to win.
This team has overcome a lot of adversity.
This team shows a lot of character.
We have a lot of pride.
We aren't going to just roll over.
We've got the greatest fans in the world.
We want to thank our Lord and Savior.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on February 26, 2010, 04:05:56 PM
So Bob, you headed to Claremont?  I don't think I've ever been inside Ducey, I take it that for fans tonight it will be like layers of baby sardines in the can?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on February 26, 2010, 04:07:30 PM
OXYBOB:
You missed one..We want to travel out of state for a D3 game!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cmsme on February 27, 2010, 02:23:28 PM
well, no one has commented, so I will add my 2 cents on the oxy cms game.
Occidental played very well.  CMS was up by 10 points at the half, and I thought we had Oxy down, but they came right back with an 11 to 1 point run.
CMS won because the team made plays when they had to.  Some that I remember are:
The offensive rebound by Patrick Lacey at the end of the game to prevent oxy from being able to tie the game.
After the 11 point run by oxy, the coach brought in the 2nd team and Beau immediately (no hesitation) hit a 3.
The block by Greyson Blue as Sean Anderson was going up for a fast break layup.  (Everyone enjoyed that one.)
The way Chris and Jason drove into the key with 3 defenders and somehow came away with a basket.
The way Joey Anderson stretched out his his extendable arm and got a rebound.
There were many more, but I will leave it for the experts.

I met Oxy Bob--what a sweet man.  He said all those jabs are 100% good natured.   8-)

Go Stags
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 27, 2010, 03:34:15 PM
Quote from: cmsme on February 27, 2010, 02:23:28 PM
well, no one has commented, so I will add my 2 cents on the oxy cms game.

Oxy did play well in the second half to come back and take a 4-point lead. However, down the stretch Claremont made the plays and Oxy didn't. For CMS, Joey Anderson was tremendous. He made play after play to thwart the Tigers, especially on the offensive boards. After Oxy came back and took the lead, CMS made excellent defensive adjustments that took away some of Oxy's offense, particularly Eric Leider. Conner Faught also hit a huge 3-ball from the right wing that really hurt Oxy at the end. I was on the Oxy Internet broadcast with tigersports and called that play, much to my dismay. Biggest difference between the teams was Claremont's ability to get inside and get some fouls, while Oxy played outside most of the night. Claremont was 11-for-14 FTs while Oxy was only 2-for-6.

Oxy-CMS box score:

http://www.cmsathletics.org/sports/winter/mbkb/2009-10/stats/OXY-CMST.HTM

Walked over to Rains Center and caught the very end of the Cal Lutheran-Pomona game. CLU was down 3 with 20 seconds left and got off two good shots but couldn't get it to go.

Speaking of Pomona...

Quote from: OxyBob on February 18, 2010, 12:33:29 PM
Hopefully Kat will do it to you again this Saturday. Then hopefully Pomona will get the 4th seed and Kat will work you again in the conference tournament and knock you out on your ass.

So how are you Claremont fans feeling today? A little nervous, eh?

Quote from: cmsme on February 27, 2010, 02:23:28 PM
I met Oxy Bob--what a sweet man.  He said all those jabs are 100% good natured.  

I lie all the time, believe me.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CMSfan on February 27, 2010, 04:35:18 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 27, 2010, 03:34:15 PM
So how are you Claremont fans feeling today? A little nervous, eh?

Nervous/excited for sure.  Glad we're playing P-P.  I'm glad we have a chance at redemption, and I think both CLU and P-P pose challenges, so I'm not sure one match-up is necessarily better for us on paper.  Of course, playing P-P brings a whole set of other challenges.  Let's hope CMS is better prepared for those challenges tonight than they were in the last match-up.

Bottom line: the Stags have to make plays the way they did last night against Oxy.  Last night was rough at times, and Leider almost single-handedly took CMS out, but the big shots by Faught and Heidrich, along with Anderson's relentless hustle, kept CMS in the game.  Faught hitting the front end of a couple one-and-ones in the last minute was big too.  If CMS can hit some outside shots tonight, that will force P-P to make some adjustments.  But if we forget how to shoot for the third time against them, we're in trouble.

Props to Oxy on a well-played game.  Props to Leider on a gutsy performance.  Props to Hanley for dunking on Toney.

Props to the Stags for winning.  Let's do it again tonight!!!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 27, 2010, 04:39:07 PM
Quote from: cmsme on February 27, 2010, 02:23:28 PM
I met Oxy Bob--what a sweet man.  He said all those jabs are 100% good natured.   8-)
Mr. Ypsi's world is crumbling around him, like the day he discovered there was actually no Easter Bunny.

What's that?  You've never...?

Oh.  :-[  Sorry, Chuck.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CMSfan on February 27, 2010, 04:39:37 PM
Quote from: cmsme on February 27, 2010, 02:23:28 PM
I met Oxy Bob--what a sweet man.  He said all those jabs are 100% good natured.  

I knew you were just a big sweetheart, OxyBob!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 27, 2010, 04:43:31 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on February 27, 2010, 04:39:07 PM
Quote from: cmsme on February 27, 2010, 02:23:28 PM
I met Oxy Bob--what a sweet man.  He said all those jabs are 100% good natured.   8-)
Mr. Ypsi's world is crumbling around him, like the day he discovered there was actually no Easter Bunny.

What's that?  You've never...?

Oh.  :-[  Sorry, Chuck.
Quote from: OxyBob on February 27, 2010, 03:34:15 PM
Quote from: cmsme on February 27, 2010, 02:23:28 PM
I met Oxy Bob--what a sweet man.  He said all those jabs are 100% good natured.   

I lie all the time, believe me.

OxyBob

This restores order to my universe! ;D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: greyskies on February 27, 2010, 07:27:53 PM
Pictures of CSM vs Oxy game.
Great close game.  Surprising low turnout, tonight will be different. 

http://www.flickr.com/photos/greyskies/sets/72157623397491735/


Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on February 28, 2010, 12:04:25 AM
CMS holds of PP 57-53 for the SCIAC bid!!!!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CMSfan on February 28, 2010, 02:03:27 AM
Eyewitness Report From Claremont

Stags 57, P-P 53

Box Score: http://www.cmsathletics.org/sports/winter/mbkb/2009-10/stats/PP-CMST.HTM (http://www.cmsathletics.org/sports/winter/mbkb/2009-10/stats/PP-CMST.HTM)

It's a good night here in Stagville!

CMS came away with a hard-Faught victory and redeemed themselves against their arch rivals.  Pomona led by 4 at the half, thanks to a last-second three that rattled around the basket before falling through at the buzzer.  CMS came out strong in the second half, extending the lead to 10 before going cold and allowing P-P back into it.  But the Stags held on thanks to a turnover from P-P with 15 or so seconds to play and two clutch free throws from Chris Blees, who led the way with 14.

To me, there were a couple big differences between this game and the previous match-ups with P-P.  First, CMS hit some big shots.   Seven 3-pointers total, including another big one from Heidrich and a couple from Faught.  P-P still outshot CMS in the game, but it didn't really seem like it.  Second, CMS did a better job of breaking down the P-P defense, getting Anderson and Lacey the ball at the free throw line and forcing P-P to adjust, opening open some open shots.

A few other observations:


Congrats to everyone in SCIAC for a good season.  I hope we represent well!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D O.C. on February 28, 2010, 05:40:07 PM
 ???

You sure you met the guy from these boards?
About 6'4", 240. Wears sleeveless shirts no matter the weather. Always wears shades. Talks with a Valley accent. Yellow Lexus convertible with personalized plates ASKME. That guy, right?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on March 01, 2010, 10:14:47 AM
As expected, CMS @ Chapman in the First Round of NCAAs on Thursday.

Winner will travel upto Spokane and play Whitworth in the Fieldhouse on Saturday night.

Let's start the banter on this game!!

Should be a fun, physical, hotly contested matchup which I expect to be relatively low scoring (in the low 50s).

Some Great Matchups in this one:

Wood vs Toney                (PGs who have seen each other since high school)
Ramme vs Faught/Bagby (shooters delight)
Blees vs Riley                   (two leaders and stat stuffers)
Lacey vs Kaiser                (battle of the bigs)
Augilar vs Anderson         (both energy and intangible guys)

Benches
Faught/Davis/Heidrich/Blue vs Consani/Lin/Ricard

Very excited to see how this game plays out.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 01, 2010, 10:20:33 AM
Bracket: http://www.d3boards.com/playoffs/mbb-bracket2010.pdf
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on March 01, 2010, 10:50:52 AM
For those coming to Chapman for the game from the Clarement area take the 57 South to Orangewood exit, just past Angel Stadium. Turn left at the exit light, Orangewood turns to Walnut and continue east
past Main and Batavia. The parking structure is under the football field. Come early as the structure fills fast (after 5PM parking only). Pay to park is strictly enforced. Gym is located next to the parking structure. Street parking on the campus side of streets only. Lots of food establishments in the Plaza , 2 blocks south of the campus.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on March 01, 2010, 08:28:10 PM
Go Stags!!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cmsme on March 01, 2010, 08:49:01 PM
Does anyone know if the Chapman and (hopefully) Whitworth games are going to have video or audio or live stats?
Keeping my fingers crossed.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on March 01, 2010, 09:31:55 PM
I would think that at least Chapman would do live stats and/or audio, but will check in the morning and post to let you know for sure.  It would be at ............chapmanathletics.com

8PM...just confirmed, audio will be available at Chapman web site.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 02, 2010, 12:16:27 AM
D3hoops.com will be broadcasting this game.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on March 02, 2010, 12:51:56 AM
PC, is that via Chapman announcers?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 02, 2010, 01:01:48 AM
No. Craig Dunkin will be calling the game for us.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on March 02, 2010, 12:41:02 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 02, 2010, 01:01:48 AM
No. Craig Dunkin will be calling the game for us.
Good.  I hope you have OxyBob as the color man.  He does a very good job and is not a homer.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on March 02, 2010, 12:42:10 PM
Whats the word from the Chapman camp?

How are the guys feeling getting ready for their first NCAA D3 game ever?

Any news on how they are preparing, after having not played anyone too difficult since their Hawaii trip?

Should be a very very exciting atmosphere at Hutton where the sound really echos, even when its not full. I havent seen filled to capacity in my 8-10 visits there, so it will be interesting to see how that plays a role in the game for both sides.

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on March 02, 2010, 01:04:48 PM
Gray Fox...OxyBob indicated that he would not be able to make it down to the game. Yes, it is too bad, as he does do a good color person. And you are right, when announcing, he is not a homer.

stag44..The guys are feeling good having made the tourney. How are they preparing? Layups, shoot arounds, offense, defense, you know, all the items needed to play a well rounded game against a very good team. No predictions from this writer.

Just remember, at the D3 level, it is the participation that is important. You know, all part of the 4 pillars
of a good well-rounded education.

Good luck (but not too much) to the staggs!

If any of you guys are coming to the game, I would like to meet you.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fhsutiger on March 02, 2010, 01:48:21 PM
Congrats to the Stags on there win over Pomona Saturday night. It is always good beating your cross campus rivals for the 2nd time in a row for the SCIAC Championship. I am curious to hear who is SCIAC player of the year, as well as 1st team. There is no question Blees deserves the title for a second year in a row. I believe his stats are better than they were last year, and he shot much better from the field. He is so tough to guard due to his size and quickness. He usually has the opponent's big man guarding him, which ultimately causes match up problems.
I will be curious to see who guards Blees on Thursday. I believe if they can try to contain him, they will have a great shot at beating the stags. The biggest matchup will be the point guards. Toney has to do a good job containing him, and not allowing him to run muck in the open floor.
I believe the Stags are playing at a very high level, and will be ready for Chapman in every way. This is a completely different team that the team that beat Chapman earlier in the season. The Competition has continued to push the Stags to get better every week. I believe there conference competition will provide them with that extra confidence that I don't believe Chapman will have. I really believe you will see that on Thursday night. Pomona, Cal Lu, and Oxy are not West Coast Baptist and the other crappy teams that Chapman has played thus far.
I do have to give my Congrats to Chapman on there great season. I am happy that another So. Cal team made it into the playoffs. Good luck to you guys!

See you all on Thursday night! Stag44 I will text you throughout the game as usual!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DIIIghetto on March 02, 2010, 04:10:29 PM
Kinda noticable that the two Hen Ws took a little steam out of the Stag braggadocio on this thread.  One of my Stag friends who doesn't follow the team closely told me that he would have rather PP won the SCIAC but CMS swept the season.  Fear not, Scali & Co. avoided that disaster Saturday night. 

And now they get a chance to get Coach Scali his first ever NCAA Tourney win.  Good luck Stags, represent us well.

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fhsutiger on March 02, 2010, 05:21:57 PM
Quote from: DIIIghetto on March 02, 2010, 04:10:29 PM
Kinda noticable that the two Hen Ws took a little steam out of the Stag braggadocio on this thread.  One of my Stag friends who doesn't follow the team closely told me that he would have rather PP won the SCIAC but CMS swept the season.  Fear not, Scali & Co. avoided that disaster Saturday night. 

And now they get a chance to get Coach Scali his first ever NCAA Tourney win.  Good luck Stags, represent us well.



I have to say your "Stag Friend" is an idiot! Anyone who would rather sweep the season, but then lose the conference championship is a straight moron. It's really funny to me how people see this rivalry. I guarantee everyone thought that Pomona was going to sweep the season series. I bet if you ask Katz, he would rather win one game during the season (at home) and then win the SCIAC tourney and get an automatic bid to the NCAA's, than sweep the regular season. Obviously the regular season doesn't mean anything, because if CMS would have lost they wouldn't have gotten into the NCAA's at all.
I just want to give my apologies out to everyone (including all of the pomona students who walked quietely home after the game Saturday night) for Pomona barely staying over .500 for the season. Maybe next year! (they could be worse next year after basically losing their entire team to graduation)

I will take the League Championship and SCIAC Tournament Championship for the 2nd Straight Year anytime. Go Stags!!!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldchap on March 02, 2010, 05:36:20 PM
Don't worry...If Chapman can beat BYU Hawaii on their own turf, a D2 team that's currently 12-3 in the Pac-West and ranked 6th in the West, I'm sure they'll be well prepared for this game, even after the Stags "grueling" season, versus The Panthers "who play no one and beat no one" (direct quote from my good friend OxyBob).
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 02, 2010, 05:38:12 PM
Quote from: oldchap on March 02, 2010, 05:36:20 PMI'm sure they'll have no problem dealing with CMS

Really? "No problem"? That's pretty bold, even bolder than predicting that Chapman's gonna win.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on March 02, 2010, 06:00:00 PM
Quote from: oldchap on March 02, 2010, 05:36:20 PM
The Panthers "who play no one and beat no one"

Congratulations to Chapman. They should feel great pride making the NCAA playoffs while playing one of the crappiest schedules in all of D-III, as their .425 OWP (391 out of 407) attests. Of the 61 teams which made the tournament, only one -- SUNYIT -- had a worse OWP. It just goes to show how scheduling Caltech and La Sierra (3 times) can finally pay off.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fhsutiger on March 02, 2010, 06:21:14 PM
 I love it...there is nothing better than listening to Oxy Bob go at you Old Chap!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 02, 2010, 06:25:09 PM
Quote from: fhsutiger on March 02, 2010, 06:21:14 PM
I love it...there is nothing better than listening to Oxy Bob go at you Old Chap!

Be fair.  Old Chap goin' at OxyBob is pretty entertaining too! :D

And I'll renew my challenge to OB - once the SCIAC season is underway, who in the heck do you think Chapman can play?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldchap on March 02, 2010, 06:37:34 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on March 02, 2010, 06:00:00 PM
Congratulations to Chapman. They should feel great pride making the NCAA playoffs while playing one of the crappiest schedules in all of D-III, as their .425 OWP (391 out of 407) attests. Of the 61 teams which made the tournament, only one -- SUNYIT -- had a worse OWP. It just goes to show how scheduling Caltech and La Sierra (3 times) can finally pay off.

OxyBob

Boohoo....sniff...sniff.... aw, better luck next time, OxyBob!  ;D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on March 02, 2010, 08:34:53 PM
OXYBOB;

After not seeing you post for a few days, I thought you were going to come up with something "earth-shattering", "cutting edge" etc........ But, you let us all down by singing the same old song.....
Come on, you can do better that that! Give it the old college try and send some good zingers!

By the way, I saw on one of the boards where Oxy was looking for someone to round out their (and CU's) tourney next year. Why don't they just schedule Chapman, instead of WC Baptist, La Sierra, American Sports Institute and the other meaningless games they play?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D O.C. on March 03, 2010, 12:51:23 AM
QuoteHe does a very good job and is not a homer.

Naw, not at all, more of a Homer.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 03, 2010, 12:59:25 AM
Quote from: D O.C. on March 03, 2010, 12:51:23 AM
QuoteHe does a very good job and is not a homer.

Naw, not at all, more of a Homer.

As in The Iliad and The Odyssey or as in Simpson? ;)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D O.C. on March 03, 2010, 11:05:37 AM
Oddestssey, of course.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 03, 2010, 02:34:11 PM
Quote from: D O.C. on March 03, 2010, 11:05:37 AM
Oddestssey, of course.

In other words, you're saying that he's blind and his narration is pure fiction. ;)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on March 03, 2010, 04:07:36 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on March 03, 2010, 02:34:11 PM
Quote from: D O.C. on March 03, 2010, 11:05:37 AM
Oddestssey, of course.
In other words, you're saying that he's blind and his narration is pure fiction.

No, he's saying that I am poetry in commotion.

OxyBob (http://www.rpi.edu/~markhn/sounds/doh.wav)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on March 03, 2010, 04:21:23 PM
Or possibly he is saying that your poetry causes commotion.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on March 03, 2010, 05:45:56 PM
Hey, for those that want a more neutral  (i.e., "fair and balanced") perspective on the game, we'll have an officially sanctioned d3hoops.com broadcast of the CMS-Chapman game.  It will be linked from www.oxybroadcast.com and, according to Pat, in impossible-to-miss font on the front page of d3hoops.com.  Join us for our words eye view.  Pre-game show starts at about 6.58ish.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on March 03, 2010, 07:27:58 PM
2009-10 Men's Basketball All-SCIAC Awards
March 3, 2010

The 2009-2010 All-SCIAC Men's Basketball Honors have been named.  The Conference Champions and Dave Jacobs Trophy recipients are the Stags of Claremont-Mudd-Scripps (21-6, 11-3 SCIAC).  The Stags were also crowned the SCIAC Tournament Champions with their 57-53 win over Pomona-Pitzer on Saturday night.   

David Wells Player of the Year:  Chris Blees, Junior, Claremont-Mudd-Scripps
Ted Ducey Award Recipient:  Colin Reinstedt, Senior, Pomona-Pitzer Colleges
First Team                    
Jack Hanley     SO     Occidental College         
Drew Menez     JR     Whittier College         
Kyle Knudsen    SR    California Lutheran University          
Justin Sexton    SR     Pomona-Pitzer Colleges         
Jason Toney    SR     Claremont-Mudd-Scripps         
David Liss    SR        Pomona-Pitzer Colleges         
                    
Second Team                    
Deshun McCoy    FR    Occidental College         
Andy Meyer     SR     California Lutheran University         
Greg Grimm    JR    California Lutheran University         
Adam Chaimowitz    SR    Pomona-Pitzer Colleges         
Joey Anderson    SO     Claremont-Mudd-Scripps           
Damon Perry    JR     Whittier College         
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gosox on March 03, 2010, 07:37:59 PM
Wow....congratulations...tells me a lot about the SCIAC.....
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on March 03, 2010, 07:52:19 PM
For a preview of Thursday's match-up between CMS and Chapman, go to chapmanathletics.com
and follow the link to men's basketball. Enjoy.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldchap on March 03, 2010, 07:59:34 PM
Quote from: dahlby on March 03, 2010, 07:52:19 PM
For a preview of Thursday's match-up between CMS and Chapman, go to chapmanathletics.com
and follow the link to men's basketball. Enjoy.

Here is the exact link giving all the details: http://chapmanathletics.com/sports/mbkb/2009-10/news/cms-cugamenotes.pdf

What an exciting game!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on March 03, 2010, 08:02:32 PM
might want to change the head coach for the stags.. not sure who mark scherer is
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: John Gleich on March 03, 2010, 08:16:37 PM
Quote from: stag44 on March 03, 2010, 08:02:32 PM
might want to change the head coach for the stags.. not sure who mark scherer is

Hmm... he's the head coach at Elmhurst College in IL.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on March 04, 2010, 06:18:43 AM
All SCIAC Teams were announced yesterday:

http://www.thesciac.org/sports/mbkb/2009-10/news/mbb_allsciac_0910 (http://www.thesciac.org/sports/mbkb/2009-10/news/mbb_allsciac_0910)

The 2009-2010 All-SCIAC Men's Basketball Honors have been named.  The Conference Champions and Dave Jacobs Trophy recipients are the Stags of Claremont-Mudd-Scripps (21-6, 11-3 SCIAC).  The Stags were also crowned the SCIAC Tournament Champions with their 57-53 win over Pomona-Pitzer on Saturday night.   

David Wells Player of the Year:  Chris Blees, Junior, Claremont-Mudd-Scripps
Ted Ducey Award Recipient:  Colin Reinstedt, Senior, Pomona-Pitzer Colleges  First Team               
Jack Hanley   SO   Occidental College       
Drew Menez   JR   Whittier College       
Kyle Knudsen  SR  California Lutheran University         
Justin Sexton  SR   Pomona-Pitzer Colleges       
Jason Toney  SR   Claremont-Mudd-Scripps       
David Liss  SR      Pomona-Pitzer Colleges       
               
Second Team               
Deshun McCoy  FR  Occidental College       
Andy Meyer   SR   California Lutheran University       
Greg Grimm  JR  California Lutheran University       
Adam Chaimowitz  SR  Pomona-Pitzer Colleges       
Joey Anderson  SO   Claremont-Mudd-Scripps         
Damon Perry  JR   Whittier College       



More or less what was expected:

Interesting though, that there was no one from Redlands on there (I thought Coffey would get a mention), and only 5 teams were represented on the All-SCIAC (3 from CMS, CLU, PP; 2 from OXY and Whittier)

Congrats to Blees who won Back2Back SCIAC POYs. I'm sure there was discussion of a Co-POY with Knudsen, but because the Stags won the conference by 2 games, I don't think they could have given it to anyone but Blees.

Very happy to see that Joey was given a mention as well - I think without question he would be the Most Improved player in the conference as well. The scary part is that he's just scratched the surface of his offensive skills and talent. Most of his impact right now is coming from energy and hustle plays and using athleticism to get boards, put backs and stops. One more year developing under Scali, and the frontline for Blees, Anderson and Lacey will cause serious issues for opponents!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on March 04, 2010, 08:21:04 AM
CMS Chapman tonight!

I think the game will be decided in the last 4 minutes. Expect a packed house early and very loud. I believe that CMS should have some busses coming out which will create a fun atmosphere.

Both teams will be very nervous and giddy to start. Chapman will be juiced and excited to finally breakthrough in the D3 tourney, and CMS will be itching to get a win and another chance in Spokane.

One thing to point out though is that almost all the CMS guys who log significant minutes have been a part of the NCAA tourney and its hoopla. They also experienced getting beat soundly in Spokane last year. I think their preparation this year was not so much being happy to get to the dance, but rather focused to make a run in the tourney. Blees, Lace, Toney and Bagby all started for the team last year and Faught and Anderson played in the NCAAs last year. I also think that their last 2 wins (vs Oxy and PP) were NCAA-like games. It was do or die for both teams in each of those games, and the Stags were able to win 2 different types of games. Vs Oxy they jumped out to an early lead, gave it up, and were able make big shots down the stretch. Vs PP they were even, and went into halftime on a PP made 3, but really stormed out in the 2nd half dominating the first 15 minutes of it, only to hold on at the end and make a big stop and turnover and fts.

Working in Chapmans favor is home court, rest, and confidence. There is something to be said about winning, winning alot, and winning by alot. This brews confidence and builds a sense of invincibility. Chapman has not had to sweat through a game since their Hawaii trip, and that has to feel comforting for them, because they have won easily. I'm sure that makes it difficult to remain focused and intense in practice, but nonetheless they are winning alot. In big games, being confident and sure is so important as you need that to calm the nerves. Playing in front of a home crowd in their first NCAAs will have their adreniline through the roof and probably slightly nervous. It comes down to how they have been preparing for the last 2 months.

In a close game in the 2nd half, I have to give the edge to the Stags. They have been in close game situations more often and frequently and understand how these scenarios unfold in real games. While you can simulate end of game situations in practice with the clock and fatigue, you truly do not capture alot of the pressure or unknown of actual game scenarios. I'll be very interested to see how Chapman reacts if they are pushed in with under 10 minutes to go.
The Stags have to take control from the outset and not let Chapman get in an offensive or defensive rhythm. I'm sure they were at the CMS-PP game last Saturday to scout and see how both teams were playing. I'm sure they'll be out guns blazing running their controlled sets. I think that they will try and get Ramme started quick with a couple of 3pt attempts. By doing this, they'll be setting up Riley and Kaiser inside with their high low, block -to- block action. Thats where they really want to do their damage. While their sets to get Aguilar off a curl cut to create an advantedge work, the second parts of those plays is really what they look for - Riley on a duck in, or pop to dump into another post. Once they start abusing you inside and have the threat of Ramme, thats when you get Wood into the game and picture. With bigs weary to help and and wings worried about 3pters, Wood gets free reign to bust 3s and get to the rack. Finally, and what I think the x-factor for Chapman will be is Dan Aguilar. He's their unassuming glue guy. I've never seen the guy rattled or phased during a game. He always seems to come up with HUGE rebounds and loose balls and make plays around the basket that go unnoticed. If he plays well, they are very difficult to beat. Ramme can lose his cool; Wood is solid but may have a couple tos, Riley gets far to excited and this game may over juice him, and Kaiser can be caught in a personal battle with the other 5man.
Defensively the Panthers are very VERY sound. They don't give up much easy and are physical and help oriented. Off missed shots, they rebound exceptionally with Riley Kaiser and Aguilar cleaning up the glass. They will force you to be patient and grind out a contested jumpshot. They are well coached in transition and don't give up many easy ones. The stags D has to lead to about 10-12 points in the Fastbreak for their success. Also, Chapman is taught to help and then recover, but I'm curious how they will defend Faught and Bagby - Do they help off and give them a chance at open 3s or do they make the bigs come over instead causing a different type of rotation. I don't think they'll play a zone, but if they do, it will only be to change or stop the Stag rhythm.

The key for the Stags will be patience, discipline and controlled chaos. Much like the PP game, they'll have to harness the nervous energy and excitement towards physicality and execution against a very tough Chapman team. All the players have to also understand that they do not have to be the singular hero and score each time, but rather be excited and ready to make the correct read, whether pass shot or dribble, in each situtaion. If they do err, they have to bounce back and play harder on the other end. This is a game where going 1 on 5 will lead to easy buckets for Chapman, so they have to read the D and make their adjustment accordingly. Defensively, they have to be physical in the Key with Riley and Kaiser, maintain and contain Wood up top, contest all Ramme jumpers and force him into tough midrangers, and make Aguilar a non factor. They also need to assure that the Panther bench doesn't get a couple of cheap buckets. Most importantly, and I know this will be emphasized by both sides, the Stags MUST win the battle on the boards. They need to one-and-done the Panthers, and gain 2nds and 3rds on their end.

Very excited for this matchup!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on March 04, 2010, 09:19:03 AM
Quote from: PointSpecial on March 03, 2010, 08:16:37 PM
Quote from: stag44 on March 03, 2010, 08:02:32 PM
might want to change the head coach for the stags.. not sure who mark scherer is
Hmm... he's the head coach at Elmhurst College in IL.

Freudian slip. Elmhurst was 1-13 and last in the CCIW this season. Another stiff Chapman played.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on March 04, 2010, 09:36:25 AM
Game time is over twelve hous away, but OXYBOB is warming up already. But, I wonder why he is warming up... OXY isn't playing. Do you think he knows that? But don't worry OXYBOB, baseball season is here, and football  season is only 6 months away.

I am hoping for a good game tonight, and may the winner be decided by quality of play.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D O.C. on March 04, 2010, 11:22:05 AM
QuoteVery excited for this matchup!

Gads!  I guess. Ramble on.

No mention of the refs getting their chests out and wanting to prove how good they are thereby affecting the game's flow?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: West Coast Bias on March 04, 2010, 03:08:46 PM
Quote from: stag44 on March 04, 2010, 06:18:43 AM

Interesting though, that there was no one from Redlands on there (I thought Coffey would get a mention), and only 5 teams were represented on the All-SCIAC (3 from CMS, CLU, PP; 2 from OXY and Whittier)

Congrats to Blees who won Back2Back SCIAC POYs. I'm sure there was discussion of a Co-POY with Knudsen, but because the Stags won the conference by 2 games, I don't think they could have given it to anyone but Blees.

Very happy to see that Joey was given a mention as well - I think without question he would be the Most Improved player in the conference as well. The scary part is that he's just scratched the surface of his offensive skills and talent. Most of his impact right now is coming from energy and hustle plays and using athleticism to get boards, put backs and stops. One more year developing under Scali, and the frontline for Blees, Anderson and Lacey will cause serious issues for opponents!


I am also shocked that there is no Redlands representation on the All SCIAC.  I wonder if it had anything to do with their 5 man line change substitution pattern.  Pat Coffey was too good this year, and over his career, not to receive some recognition.

Interesting that you mention Knudsen as potential POY, but not Justin Sexton.  Sexton was 3rd in the league in scoring, and 1st in rebounding, 3rd in assists,  and ranked somewhere in the top 15 in every other category.  Knudsen was the most talented player in the league, Blees was the best player on the best team, but Justin Sexton was the POY.

Joey Anderson has offensive skills and talent?  That is news to me.  I only saw CMS play a twice this year, but it seemed his offensive "talent" was to launch himself into the air and pull down every offensive rebound in sight and make a layup. Or wait for teams to double or triple Blees, stand by the basket and make a layup.  Don't get me wrong, he is a huge part of that CMS team, and probably the main reason they are still playing, but I don't every remember seeing anything resembling offensive talent. 

Then again, Stag44, your offensive game consisted of standing near the basket and waiting for teams to double Parsons, Taylor, Winterbottom, and Maceira... so I guess that your view of good offensive talent is different than most.     ;D

Good Luck to CMS tonight!  Make the SCIAC proud!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on March 04, 2010, 03:17:05 PM
Quote from: West Coast Bias on March 04, 2010, 03:08:46 PM
Joey Anderson has offensive skills and talent?  That is news to me.  I only saw CMS play a twice this year, but it seemed his offensive "talent" was to launch himself into the air and pull down every offensive rebound in sight and make a layup. Or wait for teams to double or triple Blees, stand by the basket and make a layup.  Don't get me wrong, he is a huge part of that CMS team, and probably the main reason they are still playing, but I don't every remember seeing anything resembling offensive talent.

Must disagree on Joey Anderson. It's not an accident that he gets so many offensive rebounds at key times. His overall defensive play reminds me of Ron Lee. Any coach would love to have him on the floor.

Quote from: West Coast Bias on March 04, 2010, 03:08:46 PM
Then again, Stag44, your offensive game consisted of standing near the basket and waiting for teams to double Parsons, Taylor, Winterbottom, and Maceira... so I guess that your view of good offensive talent is different than most.   

OK, that was funny. Of course, let's not forget that stag44 still thinks that CMS played Whitworthpirates even.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 04, 2010, 03:30:17 PM
Don't forget, final three-plus hours to enter the D3hoops.com bracket challenge.

You have extra time for the women's bracket, since the first game isn't until 4 p.m. ET on Friday.

http://www.d3hoops.com/pickem/
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cmsme on March 04, 2010, 03:39:39 PM
Don't stifle Stag44.  I like reading all that he writes.

Regarding Joey Anderson--what is wrong with launching yourself in the air, pulling down every offensive rebound in sight and making a layup?  These games are all so close that if a team can't make the easy points, they are probably going to loose.

Joey  is 50% at the 3 point line--you can't beat that statistic for offensive talent.    ;)

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: West Coast Bias on March 04, 2010, 04:59:45 PM
I think my point wasnt clear enough.  Joey Anderson is a Stud.  I love his game.  I think he is a true difference maker.  Every team in the SCIAC would love to have a guy like him.  He is a defensive monster and a rebounding machine.  He definitely deserved 2nd team ALL SCIAC.

I was just poking fun at another overstatement by Stag44.  That despite his wonderful qualities, I wouldn't really say that Joey Anderson was just scratching the surface of his offensive skills.  Deshun McCoy is just starting to scratch the surface of his offensive abilities.  So are Trevor Woodland, Jordan Sanvictores, and Donald Okpalugo.  If you said pick one guy to get a rebound to win the game Joey is my guy.  He is a gifted offensive rebounder.  I just don't think he has the skill set to be an offensive juggernaut in the SCIAC.

And while your games are similar,  he is missing the patented Stag44 fist pump as you are running down the floor after a rebound put back... but that will never be duplicated.  ;)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fhsutiger on March 04, 2010, 05:14:35 PM
Quote from: West Coast Bias on March 04, 2010, 04:59:45 PM
I think my point wasnt clear enough.  Joey Anderson is a Stud.  I love his game.  I think he is a true difference maker.  Every team in the SCIAC would love to have a guy like him.  He is a defensive monster and a rebounding machine.  He definitely deserved 2nd team ALL SCIAC.

I was just poking fun at another overstatement by Stag44.  That despite his wonderful qualities, I wouldn't really say that Joey Anderson was just scratching the surface of his offensive skills.  Deshun McCoy is just starting to scratch the surface of his offensive abilities.  So are Trevor Woodland, Jordan Sanvictores, and Donald Okpalugo.  If you said pick one guy to get a rebound to win the game Joey is my guy.  He is a gifted offensive rebounder.  I just don't think he has the skill set to be an offensive juggernaut in the SCIAC.

And while your games are similar,  he is missing the patented Stag44 fist pump as you are running down the floor after a rebound put back... but that will never be duplicated.  ;)

I can honestly say Stag44 is one of my favorite stag players of all time. Not only did the fist pumps get the crowd going, but his charge-taking abilities were unmatched. I've never seen a player spend more time on the floor than Mr. Stag44.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldchap on March 04, 2010, 05:30:36 PM
Stag44,

Very nice write up!! I of course disagree on the following statement:  ;)

Quote from: stag44 on March 04, 2010, 08:21:04 AM
In a close game in the 2nd half, I have to give the edge to the Stags.

However, your analysis of the game, the players, the mood and the excitement is superb. You clearly know your stuff.

Quote from: OxyBob on March 04, 2010, 09:19:03 AM
Elmhurst was 1-13 and last in the CCIW this season. Another stiff Chapman played.

OxyBob

OxyBob, I know you're fuming about Chapman getting into the tournament. I tell you what: had Oxy played Chapman instead of all those Junior Varsity teams, a couple of things might have happened. If Oxy had won, that probably would have knocked Chapman out of contention. Either way, it would have helped Oxy for their strength of schedule and might (I say might) have given them a shot at Pool C.

Food for thought.... especially for next year.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 04, 2010, 05:38:15 PM
I don't think one more loss would have kept Chapman out of the tournament.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 04, 2010, 05:40:46 PM
Yes, and another totally unfair shot by OB.  The previous five years, Elmhurst won 94 games, and challenged for the title each year in the CCIW.  Hardly a 'stiff' at the time the game was scheduled.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on March 04, 2010, 06:25:38 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on March 04, 2010, 05:40:46 PM
Yes, and another totally unfair shot by OB.  The previous five years, Elmhurst won 94 games, and challenged for the title each year in the CCIW.  Hardly a 'stiff' at the time the game was scheduled.

Elmhurst was 1-13 in the CCIW. The only conference game it won was against 2-12 Millikin, another CCIW stiff. I'm surprised you're not in here making the usual lame excuses for CCIW losses on the West Coast by attributing Elmhurst's loss to Chapman on a plane ride, or bad refereeing, or foul trouble, or any of the myriad of other dumb reasons you usually come up with to explain away a loss.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 04, 2010, 06:35:49 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on March 04, 2010, 06:25:38 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on March 04, 2010, 05:40:46 PM
Yes, and another totally unfair shot by OB.  The previous five years, Elmhurst won 94 games, and challenged for the title each year in the CCIW.  Hardly a 'stiff' at the time the game was scheduled.

Elmhurst was 1-13 in the CCIW. The only conference game it won was against 2-12 Millikin, another CCIW stiff. I'm surprised you're not in here making the usual lame excuses for CCIW losses on the West Coast by attributing Elmhurst's loss to Chapman on a plane ride, or bad refereeing, or foul trouble, or any of the myriad of other dumb reasons you usually come up with to explain away a loss.

OxyBob

And yet another completely unfair (and pointless) post by OB. :P

Elmhurst turned out to be a stiff; they were hardly a stiff when scheduled - which is exactly what I posted, if your reading comprehension could rise to 2nd grade level. :o
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CalCat on March 04, 2010, 08:52:08 PM
Quote from: West Coast Bias on March 04, 2010, 03:08:46 PM
Quote from: stag44 on March 04, 2010, 06:18:43 AM



Interesting that you mention Knudsen as potential POY, but not Justin Sexton.  Sexton was 3rd in the league in scoring, and 1st in rebounding, 3rd in assists,  and ranked somewhere in the top 15 in every other category.  Knudsen was the most talented player in the league, Blees was the best player on the best team, but Justin Sexton was the POY

Glad to see someone bring up Justin Sexton as POY.  I saw several games with Blees, Knudsen, and Sexton many head to head and came away impressed with Sexton each time.  Not flashy just got it done...If we were playing fantasy SCIAC with this years players and I had first pick it would be Justin taking nothing away from Blees or Knudsen.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D O.C. on March 05, 2010, 12:16:22 AM
 Eyewitness report from Orange.....

The co-oeds next to me said not to miss the underwear run this year!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldchap on March 05, 2010, 01:25:00 AM
 Eyewitness from the Hutton Center:

Chapman 58 Claremont 47

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on March 05, 2010, 01:38:39 AM
Great game, closer than final score. Stats @ :
chapmanathletics.com

Met the Oxy and CMS announcers tonight. Seemed like real nice guys.
Too bad I could not listen to either one of them. Always nice to get different views and opinions on the game, especially one this close.

Around 2,000 at the game and both student sections stood and cheered the whole game. Unbelievable
excitement the entire game. Crowd was loud but very well behaved.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D O.C. on March 05, 2010, 01:46:04 AM
Having never seen either of the teams play before.....

I watched CMS closely for the first 6 minutes and I could pick out the SCIAC MVP just by watching his TEAM moves. Too bad there was not a game plan that they went to him right away.  CMS waited until the second half to let him have the ball and try to make something happen. He'd shot a couple air balls (maybe trying to draw a foul?) by then and it just did not work.

CMS has a good weight program it seems because it appeared their strategy was to knock Chapman around hoping they were out of shape after their lay off. The strongest player on the court was Chapman's Jared Kaiser. He took every bump, push, and whack passed out and gave back his own.

There was one player who has (like me) the quick-twitch muscle to get up and up and that was Chapman's Justin Riley – bad knee and all. He and Blees guarded each other and it was fun to watch Riley get low to off-set the muscle of Blees and then go high above him for a rebound (a couple above the rim) or block a shot.

The refs let the guys bang and – unlike my reply to stag44 – did not try to guide the game. Hats off.

Having never seen Whitworth play I have zero prediction of Saturday.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FunkFootball on March 05, 2010, 02:04:14 AM
Remember Me? Haha.

Was at the game. As others stated much closer than the final score.

I mean this in no bad way because I'll be the first to say I did little to no scouting on CMS but...

It was a coaches duel. Tonight Chapman were the better coached squad.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on March 05, 2010, 04:13:46 AM
Hats off to Chapman, looks like they just played a better game tonight. I wasn't able to watch, but looking at the box it seems like they made the plays down the stretch and Ramme was key. Tough for the Stags to get the win if Toney and Blees go a combined 6-25. Great game plan by the Panthers to slow them and big play from Ramme and Wood. 

Congrats the Stags on another SCIAC title, first Back2Back for the school in over 20 years and since PP did it in 04 and 05. Big time year for Blees as well, who should get another All-Region mention, and hopefully an All American mention (a bit of a reach). Not sure when the last back to back POY was, but my guess is Todd Thomas for the Stags? (any one know??). I think that they are the early favorites for next year as well. With PP and CLU losing everyone, it looks like a battle between CMS and Oxy (sounds like 05-06 again oxybob?  ;) ) for the title.

WestCoastBias - many thanks for the fist pumps and what not. I do agree that I was not an offensive play at all. Never saw it as my role or needed to be in that position. I love D and played it with all my heart, but deferred the O to all the other guys. As for making overstatement and what not- what fun would the forum be without all that!  :P

FHSUtiger - I guess I did spend alot of my time on the floor. Always more fun down there than above the rim anyways.

OxyBob - We did beat WW earlier in the year. And we didn't play them even for the entire game. Better?

As for Joey Anderson - I truly think that he will develop into a better overall offensive player. He has the tools and athleticism to really be a big time scorer. If he spends the time to improve and gain confidence in his jumpshot as well as watch film and understand gaps and Stag offense, as well as stay hungry on the board he'll be a big time performer. I agree that McCoy probably has the highest upside in the SCIAC. As for Sexton and POY, he could have been mentioned as well, but I just dont think that teams gameplanned as much for him as they did for Blees and Knudsen.


Hopefully we can see a good game up at Spokane. To be quite honest, I'm not sure that Chapman will be able to do much. I would have said the same for CMS. Whitworth is just too potent on O for either team. I really haven't seen much weakness on the offensive end for them since Mid-December. They have 6+ guys who have gone for 17+ points this year, and 3 who have gone for 30+ (Riley, Montgomery, and Beal). They shoot the 3 at an alarmingly high rate, and in high volume as well. Also, enough can't be said about travelling for the Southern California teams. We don't do it often, and when we do, we're usually not playing at a high level. The idea of staying in hotels and all that is different for most guys and throws you off.

I think Chapman will keep it close for about 25 minutes, but there will be one 15-0 or 16-4 burst that will do them in. Good luck to the Panthers up in Spokane.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on March 05, 2010, 12:28:49 PM
Quote from: stag44 on March 05, 2010, 04:13:46 AM
Hats off to Chapman, looks like they just played a better game tonight.

Indeed. Congratulations to Chapman and good luck against the Whitworthpirates. I highly recommend the Whitworth radio broadcast with Bob Castle, one of the best around.

http://www.whitworth.edu/Athletics/Radio.htm

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CMSfan on March 05, 2010, 12:57:16 PM
Couldn't make it to the game, unfortunately, but I listened online.  Congrats to Chapman.  Good luck against Whitworth.

Looking forward to next fall.  I agree that CMS and Oxy have the strongest returning squads.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pineconefan on March 05, 2010, 12:59:23 PM
The Whitworth radio call is also part of the Whitworth video feed.  I've taken advantage of that good option myself.  Need a high speed connection.

http://www.whitworth.edu/Athletics/Teams/Basketball/livefeed.htm (http://www.whitworth.edu/Athletics/Teams/Basketball/livefeed.htm)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DIIIghetto on March 05, 2010, 02:53:25 PM
It is no fun to be in the ghetto of DIII.  

Congrats to Chapman for the win.  Scali's post-season schneid continues.  Obviously playing Chapman on the road was an advantage for Chapman.  But I guess the bright side is that if Scali's boys couldn't get it done against the Panthers, they might have been the recipient of a serious spanking in Spokane.  

Good luck to Chapman.  

The rest of us will keep hoping for another SCIAC team that is good enough to push through the DIII basement ceiling and get us to at least the middle floor.  No easy task...

http://www.intriguing.com/mp/_sounds/hg/cutdown.wav


Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Roop on March 05, 2010, 03:17:25 PM
Has the SCIAC ever considered a move to DII ?? Perhaps if the entire conference moved the NCAA might waive (unlikely) or shorten the re-classification process. Then you wouldn't be isolated from the rest of your division and would have the limited scholarships to offer potential recruits.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cmsme on March 05, 2010, 04:25:30 PM
Good bye.  I enjoyed reading all your posts.  You guys know your stuff.

I don't understand why SCIAC would be the D3 basement.  There are great basketball players from Southern California.  How much better could these other teams be?   ???
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on March 05, 2010, 04:45:29 PM
Quote from: DIIIghetto on March 05, 2010, 02:53:25 PM
Obviously playing Chapman on the road was an advantage for Chapman.  

As basketball maven AR noted in his post game notes to me, Claremont's 2-loss stumble at the end of the conference season, particularly the second loss to Pomona, may have cost CMS a chance to leapfrog Chapman in the regional rankings and host last night's game. Considering how Claremont plays in its bandbox, that's not an insignificant matter. I didn't dub Ducey Gym the Temple of Doom for nothing.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldchap on March 05, 2010, 04:54:35 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on March 05, 2010, 04:45:29 PM
Quote from: DIIIghetto on March 05, 2010, 02:53:25 PM
Obviously playing Chapman on the road was an advantage for Chapman. 

As basketball maven AR noted in his post game notes to me, Claremont's 2-loss stumble at the end of the conference season, particularly the second loss to Pomona, may have cost CMS a chance to leapfrog Chapman in the regional rankings and host last night's game. Considering how Claremont plays in its bandbox, that's not an insignificant matter. I didn't dub Ducey Gym the Temple of Doom for nothing.

OxyBob

According to Massey Ratings, home court advantage is worth 2.68 points, not enough under last night scenario to have cost Chapman the game. In addition, Chapman beat Claremont last year in the "Temple of Doom", so with arguably a better team this year, I don't think the Panthers would have been intimidated.

For my take on the outcome of the game, you can read my post in this forum:

http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=5506.75

By the way, thank you for the congratulations and words of encouragement. From our Chapman family to your SCIAC family, we may be rivals but have a tremendous amount of respect for each other.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CalCat on March 05, 2010, 06:18:01 PM
Quote from: D O.C. on March 05, 2010, 12:16:22 AM
Eyewitness report from Orange.....

The co-oeds next to me said not to miss the underwear run this year!

Did they recommend boxers or briefs for you D.O.C  :o ?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D O.C. on March 05, 2010, 07:46:58 PM
I believe they recommended a FUBU hoodie and a Canon EOS 5D Mark II SLR Digital Camera with a Zuiko Digital ED 9-18mm.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Still Can Play!!! on March 05, 2010, 08:53:54 PM
Been around the game for many years, so here's my take.............(respect stag44 a ton by the way)

common opponents--- George Fox, UCSC and Pomona Pitzer.  Each have handled Santa Cruz.  Whitworth by an average of 14 and Chapman by an average of 22.  Each handled George Fox.  whitworth by an average of 16 and Chapman by an average of 28. (played once).  Difference is that when you play someone twice a year and maybe even 3 times and you're in the same league, there are no secrets.  You know one another so well that a ten point win can actually be a really solid win.  Difference is Pomona Pitzer.  Whitworth lost to Po-Pi by one real early in the season and Chapman beat them by 18 in the first game of the season.  By this people would say, chapman should win, but hold on.......not finished.  Whitworth will have a great "white-out" of their own to get them pumped and ready to play.  The home cooking should be good for a few points.  These two teams have played each other once in each of the past two seasons, so they are not going to be intimidated.  Whitworth by 9 and Chapman by 3....both on neutral floors.  I think the bottom line is that if the game is played in the 70's low 80's whitworth wins by 8-10;  if the game is played in the 50's to low 60's, chapman has a chance and pulls off the 1-2 point upset.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on March 07, 2010, 12:24:54 AM
Tonight's game proved that the SCIAC is clearly a B list conference at best (Christian Slater, Shelley Long, Meg Ryan).  CMS could do nothing on offense in key possessions down the stretch against CU, with their best offense being a left-handed overhead reverse four-footer with the back to the basket and the shot clock at :02.  The fact that the team that forced this upon the SCIAC's best team got drilled by 21 in the second round is all that needs to be said.  Oxy had the perfect storm in '03 to reach the quarters.  No wins by the SCIAC against non-SCIAC teams since.  I love observing and calling SCIAC games, but they are a clear cut below the rest of the country.

As for why with all the great players in this state, well, you have about 15 D-I schools, 10 D-II schools and 11 GSAC schools giving out about 350 scholarships among them.  With that many D-II and NAIA scholarships to give out, it's tough to get a competitive D-III conference among the players left over.

As for switching to D-II, that is a terrible idea and will never happen.  These schools are far more in accord with the D-III philosophy of top-notch small liberal arts colleges than they are with the commuter-schools that pervade D-II.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldchap on March 07, 2010, 12:59:26 PM
Quote from: tigersports on March 07, 2010, 12:24:54 AM
The fact that the team that forced this upon the SCIAC's best team got drilled by 21 in the second round is all that needs to be said. 

I will post my game report in the West Region Independent forum, however I will say this:

1. Sure, Whitworth is a far better team than CU or CMS, no question about it. However, as they revved up in power, skills and experience throughout the season, they are in my opinion good enough to go to the Final Four and perhaps to win it all. No shame in losing against a team like that.

2. Except for the first five minutes of the game, when Chapman played into the Pirates hand by allowing their "run and gun" style of play and the last 5, when 3 of their starters were fouled out, the Panthers gave Whitworth a game, frustrating them even at times and slowing their offense way down. Look at the score: one feather in Chapman's cap is that they allowed 10 less points than the Pirates average for the year. They are number 3 in the nation for 3-pt shooting, yet they shot 5-20 last night.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cmsme on March 07, 2010, 02:42:34 PM
Hey poor lonesome cowboy,  Terrible thing to loose by 21 points, but I thought you guys looked good.  I was proud of the way you didn't collapse in horror when you fell behind early in the game.  Chapman fought back.  I thought you were a good representative for the SCIAC, even if you are not in the SCIAC.
There is always next year. :)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on March 07, 2010, 04:32:16 PM
Quote from: oldchap on March 07, 2010, 12:59:26 PM
Quote from: tigersports on March 07, 2010, 12:24:54 AM
The fact that the team that forced this upon the SCIAC's best team got drilled by 21 in the second round is all that needs to be said. 
Except for the first five minutes of the game, when Chapman played into the Pirates hand by allowing their "run and gun" style of play and the last 5, when 3 of their starters were fouled out, the Panthers gave Whitworth a game, frustrating them even at times and slowing their offense way down.

Ah, the deluded game analysis by an overheated, overwrought, over-involved sports dad. Always love it. To read your post, one would think that Chapman was actually in the game. Then I looked at the box score (well, the Whitworth box score, since the Chapman box score curiously doesn't have the play-by-play) and found that Chapman never led in the game, and except for when it was 2-0 and 8-5 never had a chance to tie or take the lead. Three starters fouled out, and another had 4 fouls. Chapman shot a Caltech-like 38%, was 3-for-15 on 3s, and bricked its FTs. The outcome was never in doubt. In short, Chapman got pasted.

Quote from: oldchap on March 07, 2010, 12:59:26 PM
Look at the score: one feather in Chapman's cap is that they allowed 10 less points than the Pirates average for the year.

So does Whitworth get its own feather for holding Chapman 17 points under its season average?

OxyBob

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldchap on March 08, 2010, 12:15:41 PM
Oxybob,

The Chapman family doesn't give a rat's ass about what you think. We prefer to look at the glass half full. This year, the Panthers stayed in the top 20 (and mostly higher) both in the D3hoops and Massey's rankings for most of the season, were ranked regionally by the NCAA, made it to the playoffs and won their first game. That's something that Occidental College certainly hasn't done in the past several years. And there are hundreds of D3 schools in the Nation that would be happy with such a record.

The Panthers hadn't won a playoff game in 32 years of their history and it was their first playoff appearance and first win ever as a D3 school. The three graduating seniors went off with honor, making Chapman history and making everyone proud. And no lowly sarcasm by some sour homer will ever take that away from them.

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldchap on March 08, 2010, 12:19:56 PM
Quote from: cmsme on March 07, 2010, 02:42:34 PM
Hey poor lonesome cowboy,  Terrible thing to loose by 21 points, but I thought you guys looked good.  I was proud of the way you didn't collapse in horror when you fell behind early in the game.  Chapman fought back.  I thought you were a good representative for the SCIAC, even if you are not in the SCIAC.
There is always next year. :)


Thank you for your words of encouragement, unlike some other crass, classless post...

Even if we're not in the SCIAC, playing you guys so much during the season, we also feel we're family...
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on March 08, 2010, 02:24:55 PM
I am so glad to see so much love on this board!

Now that we have put this basketball season to bed, we can move that love to the baseball boards, and begin warm-ups for the football season.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fhsutiger on March 08, 2010, 02:29:45 PM
Congrats to Chapman on a great season. Even though I was at the game last thursday and saw my beloved Stags lose, I was still very impressed on how Chapman handled themselves. You guys had a great season. Hopefully you guys can continue to play at that level and make it tougher for us SCIAC teams.

My question is this....how do you guys see yourself playing out next year. You lost a great point guard who I believe was the glue of your team. Sure you bring Riley back, but against certain teams he can be taken out of the offense. The Stags bring back a lot of players, including the 2-time defending SCIAC player of the year in Chris Blees. The stags should be very competitive again next year with a great recruiting class coming in this year as well. I can't wait for Chapman to come to CMS next year! Payback will be nice!

Once again...great Season!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldchap on March 08, 2010, 03:31:47 PM
fhsutiger,

I elude to your questions in my last post: http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=5506.90

You make a good point though (pun intended... ;D) Kyle Wood is a hard act to follow. Well, losing 3 seniors who started for 3 years is devastating to be honest. But, one doesn't build a basketball program in one night. Chapman's modest success will get attention, and the remaining players are quite a handful. Next season is a long way, let's not fret about it too much and enjoy the down time....
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on March 08, 2010, 04:34:19 PM
Quote from: fhsutiger on March 08, 2010, 02:29:45 PM
The stags should be very competitive again next year with a great recruiting class coming in this year as well.
Fill us in on the recruits please.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fhsutiger on March 08, 2010, 05:20:34 PM
I would be in deep trouble if I gave out way to much inside information this early in the game. Recruiting is a tough job in its self, so when the Stags and coach Scalmanini decide to post it on the web, you will know. With the likes of Blees, Lacey, Davis, Heidrich, and Blue coming back, the stags will again contend for the Conference championship.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CMSfan on March 08, 2010, 06:42:57 PM
Quote from: fhsutiger on March 08, 2010, 05:20:34 PM
With the likes of Blees, Lacey, Davis, Heidrich, and Blue coming back, the stags will again contend for the Conference championship.

Joey Anderson, too.

Quote from: fhsutiger on March 08, 2010, 02:29:45 PM
The stags should be very competitive again next year with a great recruiting class coming in this year as well.

I also have heard good things.  We'll see...
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fhsutiger on March 09, 2010, 10:15:09 AM
Holy crap...I can't believe I forgot Joey A. Sorry Joey if you read this. One of my favorite players on the team. I look for great things from Joey next year, because he can only get better.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D O.C. on March 09, 2010, 12:56:09 PM
Having seen only the DIII playoff game in ORANGE last week I have a question about recruiting. How many truly big men of grace and power ever play in SoCal DIII? (Maybe since 1999)
I ask because the 'big men' were 6'7" and I saw only one leaper above the rim and he was not a center.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on March 09, 2010, 01:28:29 PM
D O.C.
I think that the tall guys are all at the beach playing volleyball.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on March 09, 2010, 08:05:19 PM
Quote from: D O.C. on March 09, 2010, 12:56:09 PM
Having seen only the DIII playoff game in ORANGE last week I have a question about recruiting. How many truly big men of grace and power ever play in SoCal DIII? (Maybe since 1999)
I ask because the 'big men' were 6'7" and I saw only one leaper above the rim and he was not a center.
None. If they're bigger than 6'7" and can play, they don't play in the SCIAC.  They get scholarships.
Best "big men" since I've started doing this ('00) were Al Lloyd, Andy Meier, Jeremiah Martin and not much else.  Maybe OB can help me out here.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Still Can Play!!! on March 10, 2010, 04:07:42 PM
Here let me help you guys out here.  From a former D3 coach right here in so cal, the dilemna is this.  Any 6'7" + post that can play ends up being a potential project for UCI or CSUF at the D1 level.  They can recruit that guy to be a walk-on or even a scholarship and that guys going there because he can tell everyone that he plays at a D1 school.  If he happens to fall through the cracks, then he ends up at San Diego Christian or Westmont or one of the middle teams in the GSAC.  Azusa and Biola tend to get D1 bounce backs so they don't need to take High School posts.  The other problem is this.....most of the coaches out here have to think about the problem =  if you have a 6'10 guy he has to score a bunch to out weight the possibility of him having to guard a 6'6" post that can move and get him away from the basket.  Don't get me wrong, there has been some good ones in the sciac over the years, Pomona has had a few, but they got them from Chicago and honestly did a great job getting them and got lucky that the kid wasn't been recruited by some of the many other schools between here and there.  California has every single level........JC (non-scholarship), D1, D2, D3, NAIA and NCCAA and you must now get real creative in founding that Big post that can play. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciac_is_fun on March 10, 2010, 11:46:39 PM
The "biggest" big man I can recall was CLU's Justin Muth, circa '98-'01.  He was about 6'10" and quite athletic and strong.  He was POY his senior year, and I believe made an all-region team, with CLU winning SCIAC.  CLU has had quite a succession of taller players since then, including Zareh Avedian (who played more like a scoring '3') and Ryan Hodges (probably a natural '4'), down to Meier and Van Klaveren these the last couple years.  Actually Muth, Hodges, and Avedian (the latter two both freshmen) were all on that '01 team (quite the recruiting coup there), but there wasn't room for Big Z to find much PT as a frosh.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on March 11, 2010, 04:46:15 AM
Quote from: D O.C. on March 09, 2010, 12:56:09 PM
Having seen only the DIII playoff game in ORANGE last week I have a question about recruiting. How many truly big men of grace and power ever play in SoCal DIII? (Maybe since 1999)
I ask because the 'big men' were 6'7" and I saw only one leaper above the rim and he was not a center.

Fully agree with all the posts about the bigs - There is skilled bigs in the Cali area that will filter down into the D3 ranks simply becasue of the skewed #of scholarships availabile. There are well over 15 D1 schools, the entire GSAC and a almost all the CCAA that can give scholarships.

The true pipeline for big man talent either comes from transfers in (see Brian Jolley, Drew Menez, Pat Lacey) or not from California. We see players coming in from Arizona, Chicago, but really the hotbed for D3 talent really lies in the Northeast. With the plethora of prep schools, private schools, and serious emphasis on academics, as well as a glut of D3 schools, players from that area are more knowledgeable about the D3 level. It's just simply a very difficult task to recruit out there for SCIAC schools, when they are competing against the likes of Amherst Williams and Middlebury. Outside of the weather, it's a difficult sell to convince the parents to get their kid to go all the way across the country to play. Thats where the campus visits REALLY make the difference. The other area to recruit out of is the Northwest. There was  great SI article about seattle being a very quiet hotbed of basketball talent, and from the NWCs success over the SCIAC, its probably the easiest place to try and steal recruits from.

The D1 mentality on bigs as well is anyone with the slightest bit of talent or potential they'll take a chance on. They have the resources and ability to really develop that skill, but as they say you cannot teach size. And to be quite honest, as Still_Can_Play mentioned, the D3 bigs are often more mobile than the burly D1 bigs. In D3, bigs that come in raw usually have to take it upon themselves to really get developed. Obviously the coaches will help in anyway they can, but it really comes down to your individual desire to get better and spend the hours alone in the gym working out. In the SCIAC and I think most D3 schools, your academic schedule really makes it difficult to get in the work needed to fully develop as a big. Also, its very rare that you get a workout partner whose also a big that will go daily with you to improve skills.

As for SCIAC bigs in the last 10 years, there have been a fair share of VERY skilled guys, but again they are all around 6'7 but physical and highly skilled. My top 5 in no order:

1. Brian Jolly (CMS)
2. Ryan Hodges (CLU)
3. Zareh Avedian (CLU)
4. Justin Muth (CLU)
5. Sam Betty (Oxy)

Thought about putting up Miles Taylor, but really he was a point forward, and Lloyd played a roving 4 as well.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Titan Q on March 11, 2010, 08:22:11 AM
Quote from: stag44 on March 11, 2010, 04:46:15 AM


The true pipeline for big man talent either comes from transfers in (see Brian Jolley, Drew Menez, Pat Lacey) or not from California. We see players coming in from Arizona, Chicago, but really the hotbed for D3 talent really lies in the Northeast. With the plethora of prep schools, private schools, and serious emphasis on academics, as well as a glut of D3 schools, players from that area are more knowledgeable about the D3 level. It's just simply a very difficult task to recruit out there for SCIAC schools, when they are competing against the likes of Amherst Williams and Middlebury. Outside of the weather, it's a difficult sell to convince the parents to get their kid to go all the way across the country to play. Thats where the campus visits REALLY make the difference. The other area to recruit out of is the Northwest. There was  great SI article about seattle being a very quiet hotbed of basketball talent, and from the NWCs success over the SCIAC, its probably the easiest place to try and steal recruits from.

This is not a perfect measure of where the "hotbed of talent" is in Division III, but I looked at the home states of the players on the D3hoops.com All-American teams the last 10 years (25 players per year, 10 years).  Here are the leading states:

1. Illinois - 35 players (those making it multiple years are counted multiple times)
2. Pennsylvania - 26
3. Wisconsin - 24
4. Ohio - 22
5. New York - 22

(#6 Texas had 14, so there is a drop-off after these 5.)

From watching Division III basketball over the years, and seeing a lot of games in a lot of regions, my sense in that the Chicago area is the top hotbed for D3 prospects in the country.  The above seems to support that a little (most of those IL kids were from the Chicago area)...again, I know it is not a perfect measure.

A couple reasons I think Illinois produces so many great D3 players:

1) Really high caliber of high school basketball.

2) The Division III brand is very strong.  

#2 above is critical.  While there is a ton of scholarship competition in the Chicago area, kids often choose D3 schools over scholarships to NAIA and D2's...on occasion, even over low D1 schools.

In many parts of the country, the caliber of high school basketball is not as strong as it is in Illinois, and the D3 brand is not strong.  I live in central Missouri (Columbia) for example, and can tell you that 1) Missouri H.S. basketball isn't even close to IL for whatever reason (even in a large metro area like St. Louis), and 2) D3 is not perceived the same way it is in Illinois - good players here would rather go NAIA or D2.  Missouri has produced 1 D3 All-American in 10 years to Illinois' 35.

Note, California had 9 players on the list, but I think almost all played at a D3 out-of-state (Amherst, Williams, etc).
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D O.C. on March 11, 2010, 11:22:50 AM
That picture is much clearer now, thanks.

What about SoCal basketball camps and clinics where DIII coaches participate? There a coach can develop a personal  relationship with an 8th or 9th grader and the family. I have seen that work up in Oregon.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 11, 2010, 01:58:19 PM
Quote from: stag44 on March 11, 2010, 04:46:15 AMWe see players coming in from Arizona, Chicago, but really the hotbed for D3 talent really lies in the Northeast. With the plethora of prep schools, private schools, and serious emphasis on academics, as well as a glut of D3 schools, players from that area are more knowledgeable about the D3 level.

Not true. Q detailed the strength of Illinois in his post, but look again at the other states that have dominated the d3hoops.com All-American list: Wisconsin and Ohio are right up there. And look at the regions that have been the strongest in terms of postseason play throughout D3 tournament history: the Midwest Region, the Great Lakes Region, and the West Region (i.e., the WIAC). D3 is most populous in the northeast, but its power axis is in the midwestern part of the country, particularly the states of Ohio, Michigan, Indiana, Illinois, and Wisconsin. The northeast, by contrast, has a lot of holes in it in terms of overall strength. Upstate New York has a ton of D3 schools, but the caliber of play there is low; New England has one power conference (the NESCAC, three of whose teams you touted in your post -- and a couple of them recruit out of the region, as Q pointed out), and a whole lot of dross. The NJAC, once a power conference, has been in steady decline for a decade. The leagues based in and around New York City are substandard. Pennsylvania, Maryland, and D.C. have a better all-around standard of play, but even there the national representatives in the Final Four don't fare well, with the only champion within the past decade and a half being Catholic in '01.

Aside from a couple of scattered power leagues (the NESCAC and the ODAC, plus the far-flung UAA -- two of whose traditional powers are midwestern-based, anyway), the midwestern arc of states I named is the true hotbed for D3 talent.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on March 12, 2010, 01:13:07 PM
Stagg44 is spot on with the scholarship $$ observation. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciac_is_fun on March 13, 2010, 10:41:32 PM
Hey everybody, got an idea.

Now that the SCIAC offseason is upon us again, how about some stimulating All-Decade discussion to keep some interest going?  I know it might be a year late, but here's what I propose: give your All-Decade team for the school you support, and then at the end we can pick some SCIAC all-decade teams from those.  That way we get some intra-school debate, as well as overall debate. 

So for example, my all-decade team for CLU:

G Victor Esquer
G Kyle Knudsen
F Zareh Avedian
F Ryan Hodges
C Justin Muth

Quite the team, if you ask me ;D  Plenty of size, scorers, and defenders.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on March 14, 2010, 12:56:17 AM
Oxy:

C:  Sam Betty
F:  Finn Rebassoo
F:  Dallin Wilson
G:  Song Cun
G:  Connor Whitman

I'm willing to be overruled on Wilson.  The others are no-brainers.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on March 14, 2010, 05:28:46 AM
CMS:

G: Bob Donlan
G: John Parsons
C: Brian Jolly
F: Miles Taylor
F: Chris Blees

I'd say the only one up for debate here is Parsons vs Jameson. Other than that, the rest were all very dominant during their eras.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cmsme on March 15, 2010, 04:45:34 PM
I see Whitworth lost to Eastern Mennonite.  So our entire bracket branch has died and fallen off the tree.  No wonder it is so difficult to get into the Top 25 poll. >:(
It will be interesting watching the championship game.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on March 16, 2010, 09:45:31 AM
Quote from: tigersports on March 09, 2010, 08:05:19 PM
Quote from: D O.C. on March 09, 2010, 12:56:09 PM
Having seen only the DIII playoff game in ORANGE last week I have a question about recruiting. How many truly big men of grace and power ever play in SoCal DIII? (Maybe since 1999) I ask because the 'big men' were 6'7" and I saw only one leaper above the rim and he was not a center.
None. If they're bigger than 6'7" and can play, they don't play in the SCIAC.  They get scholarships. Best "big men" since I've started doing this ('00) were Al Lloyd, Andy Meier, Jeremiah Martin and not much else.  Maybe OB can help me out here.

Zach Miller, Mychal Owens. What about Justin Sexton? He's a big man along the lines of Bob McAdoo, though not quite as wide.

EDIT: Oh, yeah, what about Ben Turk?

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on March 16, 2010, 02:49:56 PM
Congrats to Chris Blees on making the All-West Region 2nd Team. Back-to-Back years he's done that now, and looking forward to him making a run at All-american and hopefully a NCAA win!!


Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on March 16, 2010, 07:17:01 PM
Quote from: sciac_is_fun on March 13, 2010, 10:41:32 PM
my all-decade team for CLU:

G Victor Esquer
G Kyle Knudsen
F Zareh Avedian
F Ryan Hodges
C Justin Muth

Good team, but I might replace Esquer with Deshion Inniss, one of the most clutch players CLU ever had.

Quote from: tigersports on March 14, 2010, 12:56:17 AM
C:  Sam Betty
F:  Finn Rebassoo
F:  Dallin Wilson
G:  Song Cun
G:  Connor Whitman

I'm willing to be overruled on Wilson.  The others are no-brainers.

I was always big fan of Zach Phillips. I would take him over Wilson. There's also another guy who could play on the front line and who was pretty good for the Tigers -- Brian Newhall. And of course there's Oxy basketball's famous legend, myth, fable, and fish story -- Barack Obama.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciac_is_fun on March 16, 2010, 09:21:41 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on March 16, 2010, 07:17:01 PM
Quote from: sciac_is_fun on March 13, 2010, 10:41:32 PM
my all-decade team for CLU:

G Victor Esquer
G Kyle Knudsen
F Zareh Avedian
F Ryan Hodges
C Justin Muth

Good team, but I might replace Esquer with Deshion Inniss, one of the most clutch players CLU ever had.

OxyBob

Inniss would be on my second team (along with Andy Meier, who deserves mention as well).  Esquer is there because he's the best perimeter defender I've ever seen at this level, and because of his leadership.  He was really the only consistently solid guard on those good CLU teams of the early part of the decade.


Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D O.C. on March 18, 2010, 02:20:59 PM
You're slipping, Barry Obama.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etule on March 18, 2010, 04:10:27 PM
I think that academics play as large a role as scholarships! Some of the UAA and I'm sure a number of  other Midwest and Western Region schools will have a couple of slots for players below entry standards. I know that some or most of the SCIAC schools do not. That is huge on a year in year out basis to compete against. Also most SCIAC teams do not bring in JC kids. Most NW conference teams don't either with one big exception! Guess who Whitworth!!! They have been very sucessful in filling holes with very good JC players or NAIA transfers! Their record speaks for itself!
This is not a criticism just the facts of life in D3 basketball. ;D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Roop on March 18, 2010, 05:14:21 PM
You make a good point regarding transfers and academic standards but at the same time it's not the epidemic you imply. Besides, there are plenty of legitimate reasons why someone might attend a junior college first. Typically it's a financial concern. Other times people are still hoping for that scholarship offer to come. And yes, sometimes it is an academic issue. Maybe school X turned you down because you were marginal by their standards and they said try J.C. for a year and get your grades up.

In conclusion, not all transfers are hired guns brought in to bolster a program for a year or two. Even though it looks like it at times.

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 18, 2010, 05:19:11 PM
Quote from: The Roop on March 18, 2010, 05:14:21 PM
You make a good point regarding transfers and academic standards but at the same time it's not the epidemic you imply. Besides, there are plenty of legitimate reasons why someone might attend a junior college first. Typically it's a financial concern. Other times people are still hoping for that scholarship offer to come. And yes, sometimes it is an academic issue. Maybe school X turned you down because you were marginal by their standards and they said try J.C. for a year and get your grades up.

In conclusion, not all transfers are hired guns brought in to bolster a program for a year or two. Even though it looks like it at times.

Excellent point, Roop. Junior colleges have an unwarranted stigma attached to them. Every student-athlete is different -- and anyone who thinks that a student-athlete who transfers in from a juco automatically has some sort of academic taint attached to him is someone who does not know the full story.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etule on March 23, 2010, 07:50:04 PM
As a person who attened JC myself I was not implying that is was a black mark but rather that most D3 schools do not go after JC transfers in SCIAC and the NW conference except for a couple of exceptions and they have had success.
Even with decent grades it is difficult to get into Pamona,Claremont and Oxy.
I don't think that these schools have athletic slots that allows kids that are below entry standards. I know some very good UAA schools have slots and I think it is not a bad idea! ::)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on April 04, 2010, 05:44:15 PM
From today's Los Angeles Times:

QuoteSpurs attained their elite status the old-fashioned way: They earned it

Their style hasn't been spectacular, far from it, but the results have been — four titles in 11 years for Coach Gregg Popovich, star Tim Duncan and a changing supporting cast. And they're not done yet.

...

"I don't think my owner's going to fire me tomorrow, but I feel failure, just like everybody else," he says. "I feel a responsibility to getting these guys back to what they were. That's my concern or fear, of whatever you want to call it. . . .

"I think the overriding common denominator with me, I still think I'm a Division III coach. Because that's what I am.

"I'm really a Division III coach who had a lot of good fortune and ended up in a situation, as I've said before, where I didn't screw it up.

"Beyond that, I sometimes wonder what the hell I'm doing here. Do we really have those championships? Did we really do that?

"I just shake my head because, at heart, I'm a Division III coach."

Popovich really was an NCAA Division III coach at Pomona-Pitzer, but if he wanted to coach in college again, I'm sure he could land a Division I job.
...

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Titan Q on April 04, 2010, 07:28:41 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on April 04, 2010, 05:44:15 PM
From today's Los Angeles Times:

QuoteSpurs attained their elite status the old-fashioned way: They earned it

Their style hasn't been spectacular, far from it, but the results have been — four titles in 11 years for Coach Gregg Popovich, star Tim Duncan and a changing supporting cast. And they're not done yet.

...

"I don't think my owner's going to fire me tomorrow, but I feel failure, just like everybody else," he says. "I feel a responsibility to getting these guys back to what they were. That's my concern or fear, of whatever you want to call it. . . .

"I think the overriding common denominator with me, I still think I'm a Division III coach. Because that's what I am.

"I'm really a Division III coach who had a lot of good fortune and ended up in a situation, as I've said before, where I didn't screw it up.

"Beyond that, I sometimes wonder what the hell I'm doing here. Do we really have those championships? Did we really do that?

"I just shake my head because, at heart, I'm a Division III coach."

Popovich really was an NCAA Division III coach at Pomona-Pitzer, but if he wanted to coach in college again, I'm sure he could land a Division I job.
...

OxyBob

Thanks for posting.  It's nice to know there are coaches like Popovich and Bo Ryan who are proud of their D3 roots.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciac_is_fun on April 05, 2010, 03:24:23 PM
Anyone got an all-decade team for Pomona?  Redlands?  Whittier? Caltech?  :)

I can get something started for Pomona, though I'm sure I'm missing some...

F Alex Lloyd
F Wexlor-Beron or Jabarri Reynolds?
C Justin Sexton
G David Knowles
G Liss/Chaimowitz?

And for Redlands, you have

F Billy Shivers
F Patrick Coffey
G Amir Mazerei
?
?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on April 14, 2010, 12:11:04 PM
Oxy recruiting news from the Ventura County Star:

QuoteFaulwell commits to Occidental

Simi Valley High senior C.J. Faulwell has made a commitment to the Occidental College men's basketball program.

Faulwell, a two-year team captain, was a Marmonte League third team selection the last two seasons.

"There isn't a guy in our program, and I'm thinking back many years, who every single day brings it to the table," said Simi Valley coach Christian Aurand.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CalCat on April 17, 2010, 11:29:09 AM


Inland Valley Daily Bulletin reporting today that Pomona Pitzer Men's coach  Charles Katsiaficas has been interviewed and is a finalist for the vacant Dartmouth head coaching position.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on April 17, 2010, 11:43:14 AM
I hope Gregg Popovich is aware of the coaching vacancy at Kenyon College...
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on April 17, 2010, 12:22:51 PM
Quote from: CalCat on April 17, 2010, 11:29:09 AM
Inland Valley Daily Bulletin reporting today that Pomona Pitzer Men's coach  Charles Katsiaficas has been interviewed and is a finalist for the vacant Dartmouth head coaching position.

Coach Kat's dad was a legendary basketball coach and referee whose parents were Greek immigrants from Nashua, New Hampshire, so if Kat gets the Dartmouth job the circle will be complete. Plus, Dartmouth's in Hanover, NH, which is only a half-hour from Claremont, NH, so Kat will feel right at home.

EDIT: According to this item in the Albany Times Union from April 16, Coach Kat is out of the running:

QuoteUAlbany coach Will Brown is among the final three candidates for the Dartmouth head-coaching opening, a source familiar with the search said today.

The source said it's down to Brown, Saint Anselm's Keith Dickson or Golden State Warriors scout Paul Cormier after the school ruled out the two Division III coaches who interviewed – Middlebury's Jeff Brown and Pomona-Pitzer's Charles Katsiaficas.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on April 18, 2010, 02:03:41 PM
La Sierra fails to make the cut and will go to the NAIA.

http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2010/04/18/the-final-word-on-la-sierra

That is too bad.  Chapman will not have them to kick around anymore.  ;)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on April 18, 2010, 10:07:14 PM
Gray Fox


Chapman plays whoever is willing to schedule them. I think your comment was out of line and not within the context of the ongoing discussion. In other words, a real cheap shot!

In some sports, including baseball and softball, some of La Sierra's contests were cancelled because they could not field the minimum number of players. I watched a softball game this year where they ony had nine players at the game, with two of them basketball players that were recruited to join the team with no former playing experience at any level. One of the La Sierra staff of a different team told me that they will now be able to give scholarships which will help recruiting and increase school enrollment. Too bad it did not work out for them, as their players and coaches, mostly walk-ons  or non-college full time emplyees, were sincere in their efforts, and generally all around nice folks to have a conversation with. I am sure that Chapman will continue to play them, and I do look forward to further conversations with the good folks out at La Sierra. The going will be tough, if they schedule the other NAIA teams in the area.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on April 18, 2010, 11:31:26 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on April 18, 2010, 02:03:41 PM
La Sierra fails to make the cut and will go to the NAIA.

Oh, cruel fate! Many promising high school recruits have now had their lifelong dreams of going to Chapman and playing La Sierra five times a season dashed on the rocks of the NAIA.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on April 18, 2010, 11:45:12 PM
Oh, here we go again. It is only April and Oxy Bob is beating on Chapman again. I wonder if the old saying of the best defense is a good offense applies here, as OXY BOB is trying to defer from OXY's
scheduling against weaker teams and very obvious "running away" from scheduling Chapman University. I look forward to seeing OXY'S basketball schedule next year. Will we see another avoidance, or will we see ......no, that is too much to hope for. I can't wait to see La Sierra on OXY's schedule and not Chapman. When will the OXY schedule be up on the web? I am drooling in anticipation.

PS, we love you Bob, but can tell that you have not warmed your keyboard up yet!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on April 19, 2010, 12:02:52 AM
OB,

I wonder about your obsession with Chapman. :o  Once the SCIAC goes into conference play, who the heck do you think Chapman can play?  Any suggestions?

Or just snark?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on April 19, 2010, 02:06:03 AM
Mr. Yysi:

Of course, he  complains  about Chapman's schedule, which we know is hard to put together, given the SCIAC's conference scheduling. The SCIAC desires a Pool C bid, and it appears that there is concern about a possible loss in the pre-season, that would hurt that goal. It is easier to throw jabs, than to offer concrete suggestions. The SCIAC schedules CU in football every year as if they were a member of the conference, but when it comes to basketball, only a few do the same. I don't know for sure why....any suggestions?

Maybe down deep he would rather be a Prowling Pather than a Tiger.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 19, 2010, 02:39:19 AM
Quote from: dahlby on April 19, 2010, 02:06:03 AM
Mr. Yysi:

Of course, he  complains  about Chapman's schedule, which we know is hard to put together, given the SCIAC's conference scheduling. The SCIAC desires a Pool C bid, and it appears that there is concern about a possible loss in the pre-season, that would hurt that goal. It is easier to throw jabs, than to offer concrete suggestions. The SCIAC schedules CU in football every year as if they were a member of the conference, but when it comes to basketball, only a few do the same. I don't know for sure why....any suggestions?

Maybe down deep he would rather be a Prowling Pather than a Tiger.
Chapman would be out-of-luck if Cal Tech had football.  Chapman fills the open date in a 7-member football conference.  

IMHO, there is no logical reason why an 8-member conference should mess up its conference basketball schedule with an non-conference opponent, once conference play has begun.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on April 19, 2010, 07:45:53 PM
Quote from: dahlby on April 18, 2010, 10:07:14 PM
Gray Fox


Chapman plays whoever is willing to schedule them. I think your comment was out of line and not within the context of the ongoing discussion. In other words, a real cheap shot!

In some sports, including baseball and softball, some of La Sierra's contests were cancelled because they could not field the minimum number of players. I watched a softball game this year where they ony had nine players at the game, with two of them basketball players that were recruited to join the team with no former playing experience at any level. One of the La Sierra staff of a different team told me that they will now be able to give scholarships which will help recruiting and increase school enrollment. Too bad it did not work out for them, as their players and coaches, mostly walk-ons  or non-college full time emplyees, were sincere in their efforts, and generally all around nice folks to have a conversation with. I am sure that Chapman will continue to play them, and I do look forward to further conversations with the good folks out at La Sierra. The going will be tough, if they schedule the other NAIA teams in the area.
I respect what La Sierra is trying to do.

I posted this because this board was getting slow and I thought maybe I could bring out the Chapman whiners.  It looks like I was quite successful in my efforts. ;D 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on April 19, 2010, 08:14:56 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on April 19, 2010, 02:39:19 AM
Quote from: dahlby on April 19, 2010, 02:06:03 AM
Mr. Yysi:

Of course, he  complains  about Chapman's schedule, which we know is hard to put together, given the SCIAC's conference scheduling. The SCIAC desires a Pool C bid, and it appears that there is concern about a possible loss in the pre-season, that would hurt that goal. It is easier to throw jabs, than to offer concrete suggestions. The SCIAC schedules CU in football every year as if they were a member of the conference, but when it comes to basketball, only a few do the same. I don't know for sure why....any suggestions?

Maybe down deep he would rather be a Prowling Pather than a Tiger.
Chapman would be out-of-luck if Cal Tech had football.  Chapman fills the open date in a 7-member football conference.  

IMHO, there is no logical reason why an 8-member conference should mess up its conference basketball schedule with an non-conference opponent, once conference play has begun.

Oh, I agree.  For SCIAC teams to schedule Chapman during the conference basketball season would be above-and-beyond the call of duty.  But with La Sierra leaving d3, Chapman is really in an impossible situation come January and February.  They may have to front-load their schedule like crazy to have adequate d3 regional games - anyone for 18 games before New Years? :o

(Actually, that might be a plan - solicit in-region snowbirds like crazy for the latter part of December.)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on April 19, 2010, 10:31:25 PM
GRAY FOX,

I would expect a  return comment like that from someone who threw a cheap shot.  I expect and look forward to comments like that from OXY BOB, but not from someone who apparently has no clue to the depth of Chapman's scheduling problems. By the way, I understand that CU will continue to schedule La Sierra, as we do other NAIA and NCCAA teams as has been done in the past.

If cheap shots like that one is the best you can do to stir up a quiet board......... oh wait, we were having an intelligent conversation regarding teams in D3... or were you not reading the exchanges?

Cheers!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on April 19, 2010, 10:57:27 PM
dahlby,

Lighten up! :-*
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on April 19, 2010, 11:48:03 PM
GRAY FOX,

Who, me lighten up?  I am laughing. I thrive on posts such as yours where you are so far off base and don't realize it until after the post has been made, if at all.

Cheers!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Titan Q on May 23, 2010, 08:38:03 AM
Redlands recruit from St. Louis - 6-6 F Alex Rudd.

http://earlaustinjr.com/recruiting-news/3194.html
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on May 23, 2010, 09:43:21 AM
Titan Q...
It would be interesting to know what Alex Rudd signed. A deposit check for tuition? Maybe his application? I did not know that D3 had letters of intent, as I had never heard of them before.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on May 23, 2010, 09:58:55 AM
D3 does not have letters of intent. The scouting site to which Bob linked simply made an error, which is not unusual in this case; even scouting websites tend to not have much knowledge about D3 and its rules.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Titan Q on May 23, 2010, 11:41:30 AM
Quote from: dahlby on May 23, 2010, 09:43:21 AM
Titan Q...
It would be interesting to know what Alex Rudd signed. A deposit check for tuition? Maybe his application? I did not know that D3 had letters of intent, as I had never heard of them before.

Greg is right.  This time of year, that is a common mistake in newspapers and on websites across the country.  You'll see all kinds of references to a kid "signing" with a D3.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on June 24, 2010, 11:24:12 PM
Does anyone out there know where I can find Occy's 2010-11 men's basketball schedule? I have checked the web site, but it hasn't been posted yet. Thanks.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on June 26, 2010, 12:40:13 PM
Quote from: dahlby on June 24, 2010, 11:24:12 PM
Does anyone out there know where I can find Occy's 2010-11 men's basketball schedule? I have checked the web site, but it hasn't been posted yet. Thanks.
I went to several places looking for Occy's (sic) schedule and was unable to find it.  I did find Chapman's schedule,  and they do not play Oxy.  They do play in a tournament together, so keep your fingers crossed.  See you in Dallas in January.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on June 26, 2010, 02:01:13 PM
Oxy, Pudget Sound, Azusa Pacific (NAIA) and Chapman are in the tourney. Normally Oxy and Chapman would play Pudget Sound and Azusa Pacific, but I was hoping that this year the possibility would exist that Oxy would would relent and play Chapman, instead of an NAIA  team, although APU had a tremendous team and season last year.

The Chapman schedule does include playing  other SCIAC teams (LaVerne twice and not Cal Tech). But alas, I guess the boards will be addressing strength of schedules again.

Yes, I plan on going to Dallas, I have a cousin down there I am going to visit.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on July 15, 2010, 04:53:38 PM
Quote from: dahlby on June 26, 2010, 02:01:13 PM
I was hoping that this year the possibility would exist that Oxy would would relent and play Chapman, instead of an NAIA team, although APU had a tremendous team and season last year.

More Chapman BS.

APU was No. 15 NAIA I, won the GSAC, and came within a fraction of a second of winning the NAIA championship. What a plum of a team to have in Oxy's tournament.

And yet there's Chapman playing Menlo (NAIA II) and La Sierra (NAIA II).

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on July 15, 2010, 08:52:54 PM
OxyBob:

First off, if OXY had the testicles to schedule Chapman, they wouldn't have to schedule  the weaker teams to the extent they do now.

I see where Oxy is so proud of their schedule that it isn't even posted on either the D3 boards or their local web site. Are they waiting to have a big party for the announcement?

I am anxiously awaiting the posting. Let's see what the balance of the schedule looks like.

I guess that it is better for Oxy to lose to an NAIA powerhouse than risk a game with Chapman.

Cheers, and sharpen that keyboard a little.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 15, 2010, 10:05:44 PM
Dahlby:

We have maybe 50 of the 400 schedules for 2010-11. I wouldn't read too much into the fact that Occidental's isn't posted yet because they are in the vast majority.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on July 15, 2010, 10:17:00 PM
Pat, I realize that you can't post until you receive the info. My comment was more directed to the fact that Oxy's schedule is not  even up on their own web page yet.

But even moreso, that unless OxyBob has inside knowledge of their schedule, that he would even evaluate Chapman's schedule before seeing his own schedule, or before it was posted for the general public. That is so uncharacteristic of someone such as his calibur on this board. But, we can excuse him, because he is probably a little rusty and hasn't warmed up yet.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 15, 2010, 10:23:18 PM
Quote from: dahlby on July 15, 2010, 10:17:00 PM
Pat, I realize that you can't post until you receive the info. My comment was more directed to the fact that Oxy's schedule is not  even up on their own web page yet.

Oxy is a Presto client. They will go up on our site at the same time as they go on Oxy's site, if not sooner.

My point is still that the vast majority of Division III teams have not released their own schedules yet, even on their own site.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on July 16, 2010, 11:51:21 AM
Pat,
Chapman is also a Preston client. But, fortunately thay do have the staff (a great SID) who makes the time to get the schedules out. This is not a knock on anyone else, as I am aware of the various budget situations regarding support staff.

My concern was that OxyBob, with his desires to sharpen his wit in preparation for the upcoming fall sports, has chosen an old topic to rehash, without putting his own team's strength of schedule, or lack thereof, out for review.

Your web site does an excellent job, with the information it has to work with, when supplied with the information it needs.

Hope you now understand my angle.

Cheers!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on July 16, 2010, 12:53:50 PM
Quote from: dahlby on July 16, 2010, 11:51:21 AM
This is not a knock on anyone else,
Yes it is.

It's summer.  USC doesn't have their schedule out either.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on July 16, 2010, 01:53:03 PM
Gray Fox,
What part of "This is not a knock on anyone, as I am aware.........." is it that you do not understand. Maybe you would write something like that tongue in cheek, but I am not you.

And besides, you are missing the entire point of the exchange with fellow poster OxyBob. I suggest that you re-read my posts that were in response to OxyBob's, think about it for a while and if you have a problem understanding, I will be happy to speak with you on the phone and explain it word by word if necessary. HINT: see Chapman schedule vs Oxy schedule , that is the basis to my posts. And, I am serious about tutoring you on the topic, as I realize that it is early in the season for you long term posters and you guys are just getting warmed up.

Cheers!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on July 16, 2010, 03:21:04 PM
Chapman has their schedule posted for November games and beyond.  Oxy and others haven't.  You are assuming Oxy will have a weak schedule.   Be patient and wait.  Then you can criticize or compliment.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on July 16, 2010, 04:41:17 PM
Gray Fox,

There you go assuming again. I don't assume anything, I learned that a long time ago. Didn't you.
All I did was imply that any comments regarding Chapman's schedule should be held in comparison to Oxy's schedule. Maybe it is late because they haven't heard back from Cal State Fullerton regarding a game with the Titans.

Patience...I have a lot of it. Can't you tell? I have answered your comments three times.

Cheers!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 17, 2010, 06:07:44 PM
Quote from: dahlby on July 16, 2010, 11:51:21 AM
Pat,
Chapman is also a Preston client. But, fortunately thay do have the staff (a great SID) who makes the time to get the schedules out. This is not a knock on anyone else, as I am aware of the various budget situations regarding support staff.

My concern was that OxyBob, with his desires to sharpen his wit in preparation for the upcoming fall sports, has chosen an old topic to rehash, without putting his own team's strength of schedule, or lack thereof, out for review.

OxyBob is not a member of the Occidental athletic department. It's not his schedule to put out. Shocker that OB would choose an old topic to rehash, though, truly shocking.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on July 17, 2010, 08:01:00 PM
Dahlby,

It's "Puget Sound" . . . (not "Pudget")

Take a deep breath . . . remember per Einstein, time is merely an illusion . . . so in fact, the schedule only appears not to have been posted as the season only appears to have not yet been played . . . merely figments of imagination based on our ability to perceive and process information.

Time for a beer.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on July 18, 2010, 04:23:07 AM
Pat,

I never said he was. You also are still missing the point.

Sabretooth Tiger,

And I was an English major. My shame. I have been there, I  do know better.
I am going to write it fifty times on my keyboard so my fingers get used to the touch.

Can't have a beer, not good for the blood sugar count.

And you also are missing the point.

Stop and think for a second. Oh well, it is early in the year for you all to be in tip top thinking shape.

Here is a hint:

Good or bad, strong or weak, compared to what?
Think about it. It is ok to ask you wife, daughter, girlfriend or anyone else for help.

Cheers!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 18, 2010, 10:51:43 AM
Quote from: dahlby on July 18, 2010, 04:23:07 AM
Pat,

I never said he was. You also are still missing the point.

I am saying your point is rather pointless. You wish to chide Oxy for not having its schedule out? You better get your copy and paste ready because the list is long.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on July 18, 2010, 12:36:51 PM
The only two SCIAC schools with schedules posted are CMS and Redlands.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on July 18, 2010, 01:01:20 PM
Pat,

Forget about who does or does not have their schedules out. We all understand why. Some schools haven't finalized their's yet, or the SID's are not 12 month employees, just to name a few legitimate reasons.

Now, typing slowly (as I usually do anyway) for all to understand.

When you make a statement regarding regarding a topic  (in this case CU's obviously weak schedule)in which you are rating something, one usually supports that rating by comparing it to something, in this case OxyBob didn't compare it to anything. Now, here I am left to respond, as some, but not all, posters would do in a similiar situation. My only comeback was to question why
Oxy's schedule wasn't posted, or that they would rather play a game against a strong opponent like APU, and throw in a dig about how the game doesn't count for anyting, except a good lesson in learning how to be a gracious loser.
, whatever, it was just filler.

If Bob had waited until Oxy's schedule had come out, he could have used that as a comparison as Oxy's schedule usually is togher than CU's, even though they do play some weak teams. If he had done that, what would I have been able to write, that they won't play CU ? That was last year's comeback, we all need new material. I would have only had the excuse for CU's weak schedule was travel costs. And I won't use that because many schools fundraise and budget to travel in an effort to strengthen their level of play. And it does work.

So anyway, that is the bottom line. And I am sure that Bob had already fiigured it out. I hope this claries my position as to my posting.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 18, 2010, 03:26:04 PM
I understood that several posts ago. I just don't see why your thin skin regarding Chapman's schedule requires a necessary comparison to Occidental's schedule.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on July 18, 2010, 04:12:52 PM
Pat,

Awww, I just don't like the pot calling the kettle black. And besides, I enjoy and learn from OxyBob's posts.

Cheers.

PS, I am a thick skinned (head) midwest born person with decendants from Norway, and you should understand that.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 18, 2010, 04:42:17 PM
Neither SOS was good last year, but Chapman's was definitely worse. Going 17-1 against that schedule made it less controversial on selection sunday.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on July 27, 2010, 11:50:44 AM
Is it too early to talk about preseason predictions yet??

Here's my view:

1. CMS - returning Blees, Lacey and Anderson which will solidify their backline. Major losses in Toney, Faught and Bagby though.

2. OXY - returing Hanley, McCoy but lose Anderson in the middle. Newhall always gets them ready to play

3. PP - Kats losses alot, but he's always good to get his guys ready for the SCIAC

4. CLU - Rider will find a way to recover after the loss of Knudsen and Meier.

Also, looking at the CMS schedule, they did not back away from any challenges. They open with APU and Concordia on the road, bring in Trinity (TX) for the Wells Classic, and then head down to the always difficult Lopata at Wash U, against Franklin and Marshall and possibly Wash U. Then they get a shot at Whitworth at home, as well as Eastern Conn St and Wisconsin Lutheran.

Its a D3 heavy schedule for them and hopefully a good SOS will be created as well. I can't wait to hear how they get on once school starts and from all the other posters about their respective schools!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on July 27, 2010, 09:45:51 PM
Stag44,

With a strong early season schedule like thay have, CMS should be more that ready for SCIAC action. APU and Concordia, my, my, my......tough!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on July 27, 2010, 11:51:55 PM
CLU has posted.

  http://www.clusports.com/mens_basketball/schedule/
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on July 28, 2010, 02:37:39 PM
Based on the schedules that I have seen so far, CMS will have the toughest schedule in the area for early season contests. Hats off to the Stags for scheduling the way they did.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on July 28, 2010, 03:20:49 PM
Quote from: dahlby on July 28, 2010, 02:37:39 PM
Based on the schedules that I have seen so far, CMS will have the toughest schedule in the area for early season contests. Hats off to the Stags for scheduling the way they did.

Fully agree - I think it was a conscious effort by the coaching staff to expose them to serious talent through the preseason.

As we have seen in the past, SOS matters alot when coming to regional rankings and a possible home bid. Granted you have to win to even make SOS a factor, but I think that the Stags give themselves a GREAT chance to host this year if they can come out of the non-conference with 1 or 2 D3 losses. The games to APU and Concordia to start are just going to be brutal. Hopefully we'll be able to catch them still trying to get their stride, but given that NAIAs start practice well before NCAA, the Stags could be the one showing the lack of cohesiveness at the outset.

I'm very excited that they scheduled Whitworth as well. That should be a wonderful game!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 28, 2010, 03:45:13 PM
Quote from: stag44 on July 28, 2010, 03:20:49 PM
Quote from: dahlby on July 28, 2010, 02:37:39 PM
Based on the schedules that I have seen so far, CMS will have the toughest schedule in the area for early season contests. Hats off to the Stags for scheduling the way they did.

Fully agree - I think it was a conscious effort by the coaching staff to expose them to serious talent through the preseason.

That's nice and all but scrimmages can only go so far. It's the non-conference season that will really have that kind of effect.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on July 28, 2010, 08:14:30 PM
Pat,

Call those early season games what you want, but good teams develop quickly when playing against other tough teams. And Stag44's comment regarding SOS is well taken. I will take CMS's early season schedule any day, over playing weak teams, especially when you consider the SOS of the SCIAC as a conference. No doubt they will be ready for conference action after these games.

Hats off to their coach for his scheduling ability. I for one look forward to the early season rematch against Chapman.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on July 28, 2010, 09:44:37 PM
Quote from: stag44 on July 28, 2010, 03:20:49 PM
Quote from: dahlby on July 28, 2010, 02:37:39 PM
Based on the schedules that I have seen so far, CMS will have the toughest schedule in the area for early season contests. Hats off to the Stags for scheduling the way they did.

Fully agree - I think it was a conscious effort by the coaching staff to expose them to serious talent through the preseason.

Regular season, not preseason.

Pedantry never takes a summer vacation. :D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on July 29, 2010, 07:54:23 PM
Gregory,

Are you the Pedant for the board?

I thought of you when I last posted, in fact I came up with early season contests because I didn't want the lecture that you just gave Stag44.

My 1997 Webster's Dictionary defines a Pedant as, among other things, " a formal uninspired teacher".

I know that doesn't apply to you.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cmsme on July 30, 2010, 01:28:43 AM


That's nice and all but scrimmages can only go so far. It's the non-conference season that will really have that kind of effect.


Hello.  On the CMS schedule, which games are scrimmages and which are non-conference?  What is the difference? 

Is the Loopata Classic worth flying out to see?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on July 30, 2010, 02:26:36 AM
Lopata (Note spelling) web site lists:
CMS @ 21-7 last year
Franklin and Marshall @ 25-7 last year
Washington University @29-2 last year
Tsinghua University (The only school I found  by this name was in China)

Sure looks like an interesting field to me. Washington U is always tough.

Book flights early to save$.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 30, 2010, 09:28:16 AM
Quote from: cmsme on July 30, 2010, 01:28:43 AM


That's nice and all but scrimmages can only go so far. It's the non-conference season that will really have that kind of effect.


Hello.  On the CMS schedule, which games are scrimmages and which are non-conference?  What is the difference? 

I was making the annual point that "preseason" is not the proper terms for games that take place before the conference schedule.

The only preseason games are scrimmages and exhibitions. Everything else is part of the season, for they all count in the standings.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on July 30, 2010, 10:45:36 AM
Quote from: dahlby on July 29, 2010, 07:54:23 PM
Gregory,

Are you the Pedant for the board?

I thought of you when I last posted, in fact I came up with early season contests because I didn't want the lecture that you just gave Stag44.

My 1997 Webster's Dictionary defines a Pedant as, among other things, " a formal uninspired teacher".

I know that doesn't apply to you.

Just indulging in a little self-deprecating humor. The point that Pat made in the previous post is one that I'm notorious for making in various rooms.

"Early-season contests" is certainly a legitimate way to describe those games, although "non-conference games" is the usual catch-all, inasmuch as the vast majority of non-conference games for teams that are members of conferences are played in November and December, while the vast majority of conference games are played in January and February. Of course, since Chapman is an independent, "early-season games" and "late-season games" are as good a description of the November/December and January/February groupings as any.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on July 30, 2010, 11:07:59 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on July 28, 2010, 09:44:37 PM
Quote from: stag44 on July 28, 2010, 03:20:49 PM
Quote from: dahlby on July 28, 2010, 02:37:39 PM
Based on the schedules that I have seen so far, CMS will have the toughest schedule in the area for early season contests. Hats off to the Stags for scheduling the way they did.

Fully agree - I think it was a conscious effort by the coaching staff to expose them to serious talent through the preseason.

Regular season, not preseason.

Pedantry never takes a summer vacation. :D

My apologies.. I always make the same mistake time and again. While at CMS we always referred to the non-conference and preseason interchangibly. The reason for this was that the SCIAC was/is primarily a one bid team, and prior to the conference tourney, it really just came down to who had the best record in the 14 SCIAC conference games. I think that was the mentality of some coaches in the SCIAC, who would schedule the NAIA's to prepare the players for the SCIAC, as opposed to getting D3 teams.

I will do my best to refer to them as Non-conference! They will have a tough preseason as well if things are as they were with scrimmages against NAIAs and possibly D2s.

Quote from: cmsme on July 30, 2010, 01:28:43 AM


That's nice and all but scrimmages can only go so far. It's the non-conference season that will really have that kind of effect.


Hello.  On the CMS schedule, which games are scrimmages and which are non-conference?  What is the difference? 

Is the Loopata Classic worth flying out to see?

I fully think that the Lopata is a worthwhile weekend tournament to see. As a player, there was a bit of a shock and awe factor going into the Wash U Fieldhouse, which is an awesome facility. Also the games are high quality and with 3 tournament teams from 2010, as well as a very highly rated school from China, its a fun event.

Can't say enough good things about the Lopata and their hospitality!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on July 30, 2010, 11:16:00 AM
Quote from: stag44 on July 30, 2010, 11:07:59 AM
My apologies.. I always make the same mistake time and again.

And everyone always knows exactly what you mean when you say preseason, time and again. Mistakes are in the eye of the persnickety.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on July 30, 2010, 12:09:14 PM
Gregory,

When I look at Chapman's schedule, I tally the games as those that "count" and those that "don't count". In a sense, Chapman's conference games are all of those that "count". I also look at the games that "count against them" even if they win.

Stag44,

I am sure that having attended CMS, you had studies much deeper than how to classify an "early season" contest. Don't sweat the small stuff.
Keep indulging in the academic offerings that you learned while attending an institution of higher learning such as CMS.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 30, 2010, 07:40:18 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on July 30, 2010, 11:16:00 AM
Quote from: stag44 on July 30, 2010, 11:07:59 AM
My apologies.. I always make the same mistake time and again.

And everyone always knows exactly what you mean when you say preseason, time and again. Mistakes are in the eye of the persnickety.

OxyBob

Spoken like a true student of the "say things time and again" school.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on August 07, 2010, 02:14:24 PM
Quote from: stag44 on July 30, 2010, 11:07:59 AMI always make the same mistake time and again.

At least you're not redundant and repetitive.
;D ;D ;) ;)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on August 23, 2010, 01:32:29 AM
Caltech hoopster in the news!

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-crowe-20100823,0,7116836,full.column
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on September 13, 2010, 07:32:22 PM
Caltech has posted their schedule.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on September 24, 2010, 10:31:54 AM
Season starts in a little over 3 weeks now. Very excited to see how every team has reloaded for another fun year. Early front runners have to be CMS and OXY right?

Some questions to think about for this year:

Can CMS make it a 3-peat? This would be the first 3-peat in the SCIAC since PP went 4 in a row from 1997-2000 if i remember correctly. They'll have to do it even with the graduation of Faught, Bagby and Toney who accounted for over 80% of the minutes in the backcourt and a bulk of the ball handling and 3point shooting.

Can Blees make history as a 3-time POY? It's been a pleasure watching Chris mature over these 4 years from a talented freshman scorer to a veteran dominant leader. Each year he's improved a different facet of his game, and this year should be no different. Each game though, he should expect to see double and triple teams, and other gimmicks to keep him from touching the ball and away from his scoring areas.

Does Caltech finally get a SCIAC win? Their closest call was in 05-06 where they lead Whittier by 5 with under a minute to go, only to lose in OT. They seem to be getting more talent, but haven't been able to turn the corner. I'm not sure they do it this year.

Can the SCIAC get a NCAA win vs a Non-SCIAC team The last time this happened was Oxy's magical Elite 8 run. Last year, I believe it CMS hadn't lost their last to regular season SCIAC games to PP and CLU, they would have gotten a home bid vs Chapman. Granted going up to Spokane would have not boded well, but it would have been the first NCAA win at CMS since 1995. I'm hopefully optimistic that we can break the seal and win an NCAA game vs the NWC.

Who is the surprise team of the SCIAC Last year it was Redlands until they fizzled out the last 5 games of conference. In 2008-2009 it was Whittier with a surprise 10-4 run. It always seems like there is 1 team that rises to challence CMS PP OXY for at top 3 spot. My guess this year will be ULV. Reed seems to be getting the guys to play hard, and maybe things will finally click. They always seem to have talent, but can never really put all the pieces together for a sustained 14 game run.

Will it be another CMS-PP SCIAC Tournament Final? At the outset, it seemed like the 4-team tourney for the auto-bid would hurt CMS and PP the most. They were always the most consistent in the regular season, so it seemed the tournament would help a hot CLU or OXY team ride 2 wins to the tournament. But, its been a yearly 6th street battle with all 3 games being EXTREMELY competitive with electric atmosphere. 2007-08 provided one of the most heart-stopping finishes in the history of the rivalry as CMS battled from 13 down in the 2nd half capped off by a game-tying buzzer beater by Faught infront of the CMS student section that sent everyone into a frenzy. In the OT, PP regained is poise and pulle out a win between the 3 and 4 seeds of the tourney. They last 2 years the scene shifted to Ducey where CMS pulled out 2 hotly contested games. Its hard not to imagine another year where this happens. PP loses alot with Liss, Chaimowitz and Sexton graduated, but Kats always has a way.


Predictions:

SCIAC Regular Season: CMS
SCIAC Tourney: CMS
POY: Blees, CMS
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CMSfan on September 24, 2010, 12:18:05 PM
Quote from: stag44 on September 24, 2010, 10:31:54 AM
Predictions:

SCIAC Regular Season: CMS
SCIAC Tourney: CMS
POY: Blees, CMS

I like, and concur with, these predictions.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on September 24, 2010, 11:04:27 PM
CMSfan/stagg44:

It would be interesting to see IF CMS wins SCIAC auto bid play Chapman (IF CU coasts thru their schedule again) in the first round of the playoffs at the home of the winner of the early season contest. That game last year at Chapman was one of the most exciting games I have ever watched.

I enjoyed speaking with members of the CMS basketball  squad (the chain gang at the CMS/Chapman football scrimmage) and they indicated that they were looking forward to the rematch.

NOTE TO OB: I am not tossing you a softball to enter into a strength of schedule
debate.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: justatigerpa on September 27, 2010, 02:56:08 AM
stagg44, don't know how right you are about a 3-peat for cms...but, you're dead on about oxy, with hanley and mccoy returning and a good mix of returners and newbies -- they'll be in the mix at the end...

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DIIIghetto on October 04, 2010, 03:11:22 PM
Here is to hoping someone emerges from the SCIAC this year who is capable of more than our usual 1st round whipping at the hands of some team that inevitably gets drubbed by someone else.  Scali has not figured out a way to translate his SCIAC success anywhere outside of the IE.  I admire him for stepping up and heading to St. Louis but am fearful that he will pick up a couple of losses, come back and get find a way to squeeze out another bid, and then get stomped yet again in the NW.  Maybe CMS should be scheduling non-conference trips to the NW so it can start to figure some things out for future February road trips. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on October 05, 2010, 11:23:17 AM
Oxy has posted its schedule:

http://www.oxyathletics.com/sports/mbkb/2010-11/schedule

On the nonconference schedule, three D-I opponents (San Diego, Cal State Fullerton, and San Diego St.) and two quality D-III opponents (UPS and Wisconsin-Whitewater), but six games against the likes of West Coast Baptist, American Sports University, and Pacifica College (coached by Bruce Victor, former assistant at CMS and son of the legendary Caltech coach Gene Victor).

I'm disappointed.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on October 06, 2010, 07:13:51 AM
Regarding Oxy schedule:

Azusa Pacific's schedule indicates that they will be playing at the Oxy/Chapman tourney on 11/26 and 11/27.

Oxy schedule indicates no scheduled game on 11/27. Pudget Sound on 11/26.

Chapman schedule indicates Pudget Sound on 11/27.  TBA on 11/27.

It does appear that Oxy will play Azusa on 11/27 while Chapman will take on Azusa on 11/26.

Although the AP schedule could be in error, it is usually a four team tourney with
each team playing twice. If this is the case, then one can add another strong opponent to Oxy's schedule, although it is not a D3 contest.

Oxy's strength of schedule? I don't know, except it is extreme in both directions.

Good luck to the Tigers.

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DIIIghetto on October 06, 2010, 12:43:04 PM
Bob, Oxy has 3 DI opponents, Azusa, Puget Sound & Wisconsin-Whitewater, pretty good for a SCIAC team.  The UPS and WW games are undoubtedly the most important to the DIII nation, but on the west coast with limited budgets, we have to take what crumbs we get. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on October 06, 2010, 02:45:54 PM
Quote from: DIIIghetto on October 06, 2010, 12:43:04 PM
Bob, Oxy has 3 DI opponents, Azusa, Puget Sound & Wisconsin-Whitewater, pretty good for a SCIAC team.  The UPS and WW games are undoubtedly the most important to the DIII nation, but on the west coast with limited budgets, we have to take what crumbs we get. 

There are a lot of D-III teams coming to play in SoCal: Hobart, Gettysburg, Illinois Wesleyan, Concordia (WI), UC Santa Cruz, Marietta, Whitman, Oglethorpe, George Fox, Trinity (TX), Whitworth, Eastern Connecticut, Wisconsin Lutheran, Eastern Nazarene, and Pacific Lutheran. Not to mention Chapman, which Oxy isn't playing for the second straight year. It'd be nice to see some of the D-III teams play Oxy in Rush Gym instead of West Coast Baptist, Pacifica College and American Sports University. I also enjoy watching Oxy take on a D-I opponent. But three? Hope those are good paydays. Plus, forgive me, but I don't see Azusa Pacific on Oxy's schedule.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 06, 2010, 03:53:14 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on October 06, 2010, 02:45:54 PMIt'd be nice to see some of the D-III teams play Oxy in Rush Gym instead of West Coast Baptist, Pacifica College and American Sports University. I also enjoy watching Oxy take on a D-I opponent. But three?

Why not? It's more money for the program, it'll sharpen the skills of both the team and the individual players, it's a perq for the current players, the losses are meaningless as far as the postseason selection and seeding process is concerned, and it's a great recruitment tool. Heck, schedule as many games against D1 teams as you can.

Besides, one of the three games doesn't count; the contest against San Diego is an exhibition. Therefore, it doesn't reduce Oxy's opportunities to play D3 teams.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on October 06, 2010, 04:13:04 PM
OxyBob,
Regarding not seeing AP on Oxy's schedule. Please see my post of this AM.
Thanks!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hugenerd on October 06, 2010, 08:44:55 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on October 06, 2010, 03:53:14 PM
Besides, one of the three games doesn't count; the contest against San Diego is an exhibition. Therefore, it doesn't reduce Oxy's opportunities to play D3 teams.

I believe you are mistaken on this point.  The exhibition games against D1 opponents count for D3 teams, but dont for the D1 teams (ridiculous rule).  Notice that Oxy has 25 games total with that exhibition.  That was definitely the rule 5 years ago when I graduated, and I dont think they have changed it.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Titan Q on October 06, 2010, 09:07:29 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on October 06, 2010, 08:44:55 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on October 06, 2010, 03:53:14 PM
Besides, one of the three games doesn't count; the contest against San Diego is an exhibition. Therefore, it doesn't reduce Oxy's opportunities to play D3 teams.

I believe you are mistaken on this point.  The exhibition games against D1 opponents count for D3 teams, but dont for the D1 teams (ridiculous rule).  Notice that Oxy has 25 games total with that exhibition.  That was definitely the rule 5 years ago when I graduated, and I dont think they have changed it.

DI exhibition games don't count against the 25-game D3 limit.  For example, here is Manchester's schedule...

http://www.manchester.edu/athletics/basketballm/schedule.htm

(New Mexico exhibition + 25 games.)


The actual rule can be found on pages 138-139 on the attached link...

http://www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/D311.pdf
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: John Gleich on October 06, 2010, 09:23:52 PM
Quote from: Titan Q on October 06, 2010, 09:07:29 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on October 06, 2010, 08:44:55 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on October 06, 2010, 03:53:14 PM
Besides, one of the three games doesn't count; the contest against San Diego is an exhibition. Therefore, it doesn't reduce Oxy's opportunities to play D3 teams.

I believe you are mistaken on this point.  The exhibition games against D1 opponents count for D3 teams, but dont for the D1 teams (ridiculous rule).  Notice that Oxy has 25 games total with that exhibition.  That was definitely the rule 5 years ago when I graduated, and I dont think they have changed it.

DI exhibition games don't count against the 25-game D3 limit.  For example, here is Manchester's schedule...

http://www.manchester.edu/athletics/basketballm/schedule.htm

(New Mexico exhibition + 25 games.)


The actual rule can be found on pages 138-139 on the attached link...

http://www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/D311.pdf

Was that a rule change?  I could have sworn that, at its inception, the exhibition counted against the 25 game limit.

In fact (and I could be wrong here) wasn't the 25 game limit set up the same year the exhibitions were (2004-05)?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Titan Q on October 06, 2010, 09:35:26 PM
Quote from: PointSpecial on October 06, 2010, 09:23:52 PM
Quote from: Titan Q on October 06, 2010, 09:07:29 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on October 06, 2010, 08:44:55 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on October 06, 2010, 03:53:14 PM
Besides, one of the three games doesn't count; the contest against San Diego is an exhibition. Therefore, it doesn't reduce Oxy's opportunities to play D3 teams.

I believe you are mistaken on this point.  The exhibition games against D1 opponents count for D3 teams, but dont for the D1 teams (ridiculous rule).  Notice that Oxy has 25 games total with that exhibition.  That was definitely the rule 5 years ago when I graduated, and I dont think they have changed it.

DI exhibition games don't count against the 25-game D3 limit.  For example, here is Manchester's schedule...

http://www.manchester.edu/athletics/basketballm/schedule.htm

(New Mexico exhibition + 25 games.)


The actual rule can be found on pages 138-139 on the attached link...

http://www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/D311.pdf

Was that a rule change?  I could have sworn that, at its inception, the exhibition counted against the 25 game limit.

In fact (and I could be wrong here) wasn't the 25 game limit set up the same year the exhibitions were (2004-05)?

Yes, the first year or two, DI exhibitions counted against the 25-game limit for D3's.  The current rule has been in effect 3-4 seasons I think.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hugenerd on October 06, 2010, 09:44:40 PM
Then I guess there was a change I was not aware of.  I played in a D3/D1 exhibition in the 04-05 season and I remember it counting, which is what I based my comment on.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 06, 2010, 10:10:16 PM
Quote from: Titan Q on October 06, 2010, 09:35:26 PM
Quote from: PointSpecial on October 06, 2010, 09:23:52 PM
Quote from: Titan Q on October 06, 2010, 09:07:29 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on October 06, 2010, 08:44:55 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on October 06, 2010, 03:53:14 PM
Besides, one of the three games doesn't count; the contest against San Diego is an exhibition. Therefore, it doesn't reduce Oxy's opportunities to play D3 teams.

I believe you are mistaken on this point.  The exhibition games against D1 opponents count for D3 teams, but dont for the D1 teams (ridiculous rule).  Notice that Oxy has 25 games total with that exhibition.  That was definitely the rule 5 years ago when I graduated, and I dont think they have changed it.

DI exhibition games don't count against the 25-game D3 limit.  For example, here is Manchester's schedule...

http://www.manchester.edu/athletics/basketballm/schedule.htm

(New Mexico exhibition + 25 games.)


The actual rule can be found on pages 138-139 on the attached link...

http://www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/D311.pdf

Was that a rule change?  I could have sworn that, at its inception, the exhibition counted against the 25 game limit.

In fact (and I could be wrong here) wasn't the 25 game limit set up the same year the exhibitions were (2004-05)?

Yes, the first year or two, DI exhibitions counted against the 25-game limit for D3's.  The current rule has been in effect 3-4 seasons I think.

Unless my memory is playing tricks (again? >:(), IWU's exhibition against U of I in 2005-06 counted against their 25 game schedule - right?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on October 07, 2010, 01:01:30 AM
Quote from: Gray Fox on September 13, 2010, 07:32:22 PM
Caltech has posted their schedule.

Finally looked at CIT's schedule. Besides the Caltech players and coaches, I may be one of only a select few who has seen CIT win its last three games against Bard in 2007 (breaking Caltech's 207-game losing streak against D-III teams), Gallaudet in 2008, and Polytechnic in 2009. The Beavers were winless last season. Is there a win in the cards for Caltech this season? Best bet looks like Eastern Nazarene on Dec. 13. The Lions were only 6-19 last season.

Of course, the real goal for Caltech is to break its 301-game SCIAC losing streak dating back to 1985.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hugenerd on October 07, 2010, 11:18:18 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on October 07, 2010, 01:01:30 AM
Quote from: Gray Fox on September 13, 2010, 07:32:22 PM
Caltech has posted their schedule.

Finally looked at CIT's schedule. Besides the Caltech players and coaches, I may be one of only a select few who has seen CIT win its last three games against Bard in 2007 (breaking Caltech's 207-game losing streak against D-III teams), Gallaudet in 2008, and Polytechnic in 2009. The Beavers were winless last season. Is there a win in the cards for Caltech this season? Best best looks like Eastern Nazarene on Dec. 13. The Lions were only 6-19 last season.

Of course, the real goal for Caltech is to break its 287-game SCIAC losing streak dating back to 1985.

OxyBob

I heard Coach Eslinger has a pretty good group coming in.  With the guys he is bringing back from his recruiting class last year, they will be undoubtedly improved.  Is it enough to break through this season?  I guess we will find out soon enough.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on October 13, 2010, 01:30:40 PM
2 days until NCAA practices begin!!

Any updates from other schools on newcomers/transfers/outlook for the year?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on October 14, 2010, 02:43:33 PM
Quote from: stag44 on October 13, 2010, 01:30:40 PM
Any updates from other schools on newcomers/transfers/outlook for the year?

The excitement builds at Caltech:

Caltech Hosting First Ever Midnight Madness
http://www.gocaltech.com/information/midnightmadness

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on October 16, 2010, 07:18:42 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on October 14, 2010, 02:43:33 PM
Quote from: stag44 on October 13, 2010, 01:30:40 PM
Any updates from other schools on newcomers/transfers/outlook for the year?

The excitement builds at Caltech:

Caltech Hosting First Ever Midnight Madness

Bill Plaschke wrote about it in the Los Angeles Times:

QuoteCaltech's Midnight Madness is just that

As the tiny clock on the back wall of the crowded little gym struck midnight, the Caltech men's and women's basketball teams raced onto the floor to cheering students and a blaring pep band.
...

For most other colleges, Midnight Madness is simply the title of the celebration surrounding the first official day of basketball practice. For Caltech, the home of this country's smartest kids and worst basketball teams, it is a literal description.

On Thursday at the Braun Gym, in the school's first attempt to copy the widespread tradition, it was pure madness.

A men's team that has not won a conference game in 25 years — it is 0-297 301* during that time — ran onto the floor accompanied by one cheerleader, the school's only cheerleader, and only on nights when he doesn't have a lot of homework. The overworked guy wore spiked orange hair, orange short-shorts, striped orange socks and an exhausted smile.
...

Madness was 531 kids, more than half the students, showing up to cheer for two teams that couldn't entertain them with the traditional dunk contest.
...

Madness was a free-throw shooting contest among students who threw up enough bricks to build a new campus library. One contestant shot three consecutive air balls. Another made free-throw hook shots on the run. Every rare success was met with a standing ovation. One of the winners made one.
...

Madness, finally, was a half-court shooting contest in which the winner received an autographed basketball with the signatures of five Nobel Prize winners, all of whom teach at Caltech. It could only happen here. Fittingly, while they struggled to make free throws, one of the students sank the Nobel shot.
...

But things are looking up. The women won seven games last year and the men, while coming off an 0-25 season, won a game two years ago against Polytech[nic] Institute of [New] York University and actually believe their 25-year conference drought is about to end.
...

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-plaschke-caltech-20101016,0,7937895.column

OxyBob

*fixed
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on October 17, 2010, 11:49:27 PM
If anyone can "FIGURE" a way to stop the drought, it would be Cal Tech.

I hope they can do it!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on October 26, 2010, 02:09:33 PM
Chapman applies for admission to SCIAC

Will SCIAC vote Chapman In or out ?

OXYBOB will vote NO....

Crash votes YES  

The shrinking number of independent teams has made this a necessity. Cal State East Bay, Menlo, La Sierra all went to NAIA. University of Dallas to join SCAC in 2012.

http://static.psbin.com/j/q/y1lynr7rkwoj53/CU_Membership_App_Release_10.25.10.pdf

http://www.chapmanathletics.com/information/releases/1026
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on November 01, 2010, 11:34:17 AM
Here's my take on the Stags this year:

CMS - The Stags return 2-time defending POY Chris Blees and will be looking to 3-peat. The road could be rocky at the outset as the Stags lost a majority of their backcourt minutes in Faught Bagby and Toney. To compound this, they have a BRUTAL non-conference schedule - they open @APU (#1 NAIA1) and @Concordia (#5 NAIA1, and just go Taylor King as a transfer). They also get a stiff test at the Lopata Classic, opening with Franklin and Marshall (#8 D3) with a possible matchup with Wash U. Finally, they get another tough test with Whitworth coming to visit Ducey Gym, in a matchup at the end of fall semester at CMS. At best, I see a 9-2 non-conference with the Stags opening some eyes and really getting the SCIAC on the map this year. If things go sour though, the Stags could be 3-8 going into the SCIAC, somthing that this group of players hasn't dealt with before. In the past though, CMS regularly played a tough non-conference and would enter SCAIC play .500 and below only to finish 10-4, 11-3 in conference.
I'll be interested to see the Stags and how the react to this tough start of season and then how they develop come SCIAC time. With Blees, Lacey and Anderson returning in the front-court, the Stags should be a load on the block and defensively. The key, though, will be guard development and composure from their backcourt. They return Shane Davis who played huge in the first CMS-Chapman game filling in for an injured Toney. The rest of the backcourt is new and it will be interesting to see how the develop/mesh. I expect Blees to impress (even more than he has) and really show an improved, polished game.


As for the rest of conference:

Don't have much color for the rest of the league, but just some thoughts.

Oxy has to be CMS's major competition this year. CLU will be competitive with Grimm, Van Klaveren and Fisher returning (losing Knudsen hurts alot). Whittier and ULV as usual are crapshoots with talent - they will surprise teams and win 2 or 3 games you wouldn't expect them to. Redlands is an enigma that should finish right around 7-7.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on November 02, 2010, 10:29:14 AM
2010-2011 Chapman vs SCIAC
Nov. 16    La Verne          
Nov. 20    at Redlands          
Dec. 8     at La Verne          
Dec. 11    Pomona-Pitzer          
Dec. 21    Whittier          
Dec. 29    at Claremont-M-S      
Jan. 5      at Cal Lutheran

Where's OXY ?? Maybe in Fall 2011   
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on November 02, 2010, 11:25:59 AM
Quote from: stag44 on November 01, 2010, 11:34:17 AM
CMS - The Stags return 2-time defending POY Chris Blees and will be looking to 3-peat ... With Blees, Lacey and Anderson returning in the front-court, the Stags should be a load on the block and defensively.

Geez, how many years is Patrick Lacey going to play? What is this, Dan Selway University?

Claremont will be tough to beat, as usual.

Quote from: CrashDavisD3 on November 02, 2010, 10:29:14 AM
Where's OXY ??    

Fact: Chapman refuses to play Oxy.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on November 02, 2010, 11:34:38 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on November 02, 2010, 11:25:59 AM
Quote from: stag44 on November 01, 2010, 11:34:17 AM
CMS - The Stags return 2-time defending POY Chris Blees and will be looking to 3-peat ... With Blees, Lacey and Anderson returning in the front-court, the Stags should be a load on the block and defensively.

Geez, how many years is Patrick Lacey going to play? What is this, Dan Selway University?

Claremont will be tough to beat, as usual.

Quote from: CrashDavisD3 on November 02, 2010, 10:29:14 AM
Where's OXY ??    

Fact: Chapman refuses to play Oxy.

OxyBob

You think that can still work if Chapman becomes a member of the SCIAC....Maybe Oxy should refuse playing Chapman in football and baseball  :D :o
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on November 02, 2010, 01:22:29 PM
Quote from: CrashDavisD3 on November 02, 2010, 11:34:38 AM
if Chapman becomes a member of the SCIAC

Dream on. Will never happen.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on November 02, 2010, 01:41:54 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on November 02, 2010, 11:25:59 AM

Geez, how many years is Patrick Lacey going to play? What is this, Dan Selway University?

Claremont will be tough to beat, as usual.

[/quote]

Oxybob,

This is actually Lacey's 3rd year at CMS. He came from USD as a frosh transfer and is completing a masters at the college. So, academically he is a graduate student, but fulfilling his last year of athletic eligibility.

He'll be a load on the block this year and will benefit from the attention Blees will receive.

Whats the news from the Oxy camp? They have McCoy and Hanley, and im sure Newhall brought in some talent
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on November 02, 2010, 05:19:54 PM
Quote from: stag44 on November 02, 2010, 01:41:54 PM
Whats the news from the Oxy camp? They have McCoy and Hanley, and im sure Newhall brought in some talent

No seniors on the team. 10 freshmen on the roster. Of the guys who played major minutes last season, Jack Hanley, Deshun McCoy, and Jake Copithorne are back. Eric Leider, who averaged 9.2 ppg as a freshman, is not on the roster.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on November 03, 2010, 11:44:27 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on November 02, 2010, 05:19:54 PM
Quote from: stag44 on November 02, 2010, 01:41:54 PM
Whats the news from the Oxy camp? They have McCoy and Hanley, and im sure Newhall brought in some talent

No seniors on the team. 10 freshmen on the roster. Of the guys who played major minutes last season, Jack Hanley, Deshun McCoy, and Jake Copithorne are back. Eric Leider, who averaged 9.2 ppg as a freshman, is not on the roster.

OxyBob
As of today, the roster is described as "tentative".  No seniors makes them an even better threat next year.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on November 03, 2010, 02:36:22 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on November 02, 2010, 01:22:29 PM
Quote from: CrashDavisD3 on November 02, 2010, 11:34:38 AM
if Chapman becomes a member of the SCIAC

Dream on. Will never happen.

OxyBob

I wouldn't bet the farm if I were you.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on November 03, 2010, 02:58:49 PM
Quote from: Sabretooth Tiger on November 03, 2010, 02:36:22 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on November 02, 2010, 01:22:29 PM
Quote from: CrashDavisD3 on November 02, 2010, 11:34:38 AM
if Chapman becomes a member of the SCIAC
Dream on. Will never happen.
I wouldn't bet the farm if I were you.

The SCIAC will rue the day it lets Chapman into the conference.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on November 03, 2010, 03:43:42 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on November 03, 2010, 02:58:49 PM
Quote from: Sabretooth Tiger on November 03, 2010, 02:36:22 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on November 02, 2010, 01:22:29 PM
Quote from: CrashDavisD3 on November 02, 2010, 11:34:38 AM
if Chapman becomes a member of the SCIAC
Dream on. Will never happen.
I wouldn't bet the farm if I were you.

The SCIAC will rue the day it lets Chapman into the conference.

OxyBob

OB is hoping Chapman don't get in so they don't get a regular beating in other sports like Panthers gave the Tigers this year in football....Chapman has been playing SCIAC teams for over 70 years...Why not let them in ?

Why is OB afraid of letting Chapman in the SCIAC...

Dont claim academics.....since Chapman is in the middle of the SCIAC if you compared today.  

Sports competition. Chapman beats SCIAC teams in all sports. SCIAC teams beat Chapman...
so that cant be the reason....

Are you jealous of something ???

You got smarter students but overall weaker sports teams ?
Chapman has  6 NCAA national championships. Occidental has graduated 10 Rhodes Scholars.

You are Tigers, Chapman are Panthers.....must be a species prejudice thing
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fcommons%2F5%2F5e%2FBlackleopard.JPG&hash=51de320e99685adfe434a3993496e3818c9b238b)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on November 03, 2010, 05:29:12 PM
The institutional athletic philosophies and resources of SCIAC schools run the gamut and lack the consistency one might normally like see across a conference.  Adding Chapman will only heighten the distinctions away from parity/consistency . . . which may be the point OB is making, though I certainly cannot speak for him.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on November 03, 2010, 05:52:24 PM
Quote from: Sabretooth Tiger on November 03, 2010, 05:29:12 PM
The institutional athletic philosophies and resources of SCIAC schools run the gamut and lack the consistency one might normally like see across a conference.  Adding Chapman will only heighten the distinctions away from parity/consistency . . . which may be the point OB is making, though I certainly cannot speak for him.

Parity where in Athletics....Cal Tech has not won games in SCIAC in baseball and basketball in years and does not play football.

Parity in Academics. Not quite.....even close from top to bottom in SCIAC today.

Institutional athletic philosophies and resources. Cal Lu has spent tons of money for beautiful athletic venues. Athletic Philosphies..It seems SCIAC teams compete for D3 playoff spots each year. Not sure what these words mean..

Consistency of what...You dont have parity and consistency today. Chapman does not make it any better or any worse. Also there is a lot of pressure from the NCAA to have independents to join conferences. I can't see why it wont happen but I could be wrong. Won't be the first time. Chapman already plays SCIAC teams now in most sports and has for years. Not really getting the point without more details rather than personal prejudice.

Since 1915 teams have left, joined, left and rejoined the conference WHY should there be change again. I have not heard a valid reason yet. Cal Tech, Pomona, La Verne and Whittier all have left the conference in prior years only to rejoin later. Cal Lu joined. Even Chapman was in the SCIAC for a few years. What makes Chapman so special that they dont deserve to be in the SCIAC
http://www.thesciac.org/information/about/index
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on November 03, 2010, 08:19:37 PM
I didn't say that Chapman shouldn't be in the SCIAC. Frankly, I think there are good arguments on both sides, but overall, I think it makes sense to admit Chapman to the SCIAC.

Also, my point was that there is no parity now . . . it is very diverse . . . and that adding Chapman does not improve any desire to achieve parity. That is merely a personal observation, I have no sense that is a league goal.

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on November 03, 2010, 08:40:05 PM
Quote from: Sabretooth Tiger on November 03, 2010, 08:19:37 PM
I didn't say that Chapman shouldn't be in the SCIAC. Frankly, I think there are good arguments on both sides, but overall, I think it makes sense to admit Chapman to the SCIAC.

Also, my point was that there is no parity now . . . it is very diverse . . . and that adding Chapman does not improve any desire to achieve parity. That is merely a personal observation, I have no sense that is a league goal.
You are exactly right about the  huge differences today in the SCIAC conference with parity issueswith both academics and athletic focus.  Cal Tech and Cal Lu would be an examples. Both are fine schools but with a different focus and different types of students. In a perfect world the SCIAC would be 2 different conferences to better align the teams and their focus but there are not enough teams to do that unless the NAIA GSAC conference became a DIII conference...Excellent feedback. Thanks for you point of view.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on November 05, 2010, 06:33:20 PM
Quote from: Sabretooth Tiger on November 03, 2010, 05:29:12 PM
Adding Chapman will only heighten the distinctions away from parity/consistency

The largest SCIAC school is Redlands with 2,950 students. Chapman is more than twice that. From the Orange County Register:

QuoteAnd the university is preparing for significantly larger enrollment. The Orange campus currently has 6,200 students. Within a few years, that figure is expected to reach 7,000, and Doti says Chapman has long-term plans to add some type of engineering school and to greatly expand into the health sciences.

The enrollment at Chapman has doubled since 1992, and it has no intention of stopping its expansion. This has been going on for years. From the Los Angeles Times, November, 1989:

QuoteNeighbors Oppose Chapman College Plan
Growth: Residents vow to fight what could be a 50% increase in enrollment.

Chapman College and residents in the surrounding neighborhood in Orange are at odds over the new college president's plans to increase enrollment 50% over the next five years and to rename the private college Chapman University.

"We will fight it; we will not put up with any more expansion," said Carole Walters, leader of the Orange Concerned Citizens Group, an organization of about 25 neighbors who have opposed expansion of the college. "What we want from Chapman College is communication, and we haven't gotten that yet."

Chapman is a for-profit cash cow. It owns the the separate, working adult-oriented Brandman University, which has 10,000 students. Despite what it says, Chapman is unlike the SCIAC schools. It's too big for the conference and aims to get bigger. The SCIAC gains nothing by admitting Chapman because SCIAC schools can continue to play Chapman as schedule filler (except for Chapman men's basketball, which refuses to play Oxy). Let Chapman go NAIA and join the GSAC or go D-II and join the CCAA. Stay the hell out of our nice, little conference.

OxyBob

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on November 05, 2010, 06:58:18 PM
OxyBob:

To correct the record....Oxy refuses to play Chapman in men's basketball. I am sure that was just a
typo on your part.

Your  quote from the LA Times was from 1989, have things changed since then, as it has been 11 years ago the statement was made.? And the quote referred to only 25 people? If they are fighting growth now (which still might be the case), then why has the city approved all the new facilities that Chapman has built since then?

Also the undergraduate enrollmen is just over 4,000, with the balance being graduate school attendees
and the like. Last I heard is that Chapman has indicated that the goal was to go to around 8,000 including graduate students, but this may have changed downward from what I hear.

I am not in a position to comment one way or the other regarding the SCIAC situation. The purpose of this post is to simply update the facts as I understand them to be.

Thanks for your interest in Chapman University. It is most appreciated, although this is the SCIAC board.


Cheers!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on November 05, 2010, 07:19:13 PM
Quote from: dahlby on November 05, 2010, 06:58:18 PM
Thanks for your interest in Chapman University. It is most appreciated, although this is the SCIAC board.

I'm not interested in Chapman at all. You and Zack Mayo, Jr. keep wandering in here, because you got nowhere else to go. You got nothin' else.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on November 05, 2010, 07:32:21 PM
OxyBob,

If you are  not interested , why do you keep bringing it up?

Who is Zack Mayo Jr? Never heard of him.

I thought this was a board open to all. I have an interest in D3 sports and academics and do read several different boards. If this is not the case, maybe Pat can let me know.

Cheers, Dahlby
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on November 05, 2010, 10:16:02 PM
Dahlby,
Google works.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on November 05, 2010, 10:49:41 PM
Quote from: dahlby on November 05, 2010, 07:32:21 PM
OxyBob,

If you are  not interested , why do you keep bringing it up?

Who is Zack Mayo Jr? Never heard of him.

I thought this was a board open to all. I have an interest in D3 sports and academics and do read several different boards. If this is not the case, maybe Pat can let me know.

Cheers, Dahlby
OB is in denial....about Chapman
Quote from: OxyBob on November 05, 2010, 07:19:13 PM
Quote from: dahlby on November 05, 2010, 06:58:18 PM
Thanks for your interest in Chapman University. It is most appreciated, although this is the SCIAC board.

I'm not interested in Chapman at all. You and Zack Mayo, Jr. keep wandering in here, because you got nowhere else to go. You got nothin' else.

OxyBob
Whats wrong with Chapman being discussed on this board. Chapman plays SCIAC teams. Chapman has been playing SCIAC teams since the mid 1920's. Chapman was in the SCIAC at one time. Chapman will maybe be back in the SCIAC again.In 2009-2010 Chapman went 10-1 vs SCIAC basketball teams.  Chapman again is scheduled to play SCIAC teams in 2010-2011 in basketball. So why again do you want us to leave this message board  to discuss Chapman...

Dont forget Zack Mayo did get the girl...so maybe your just jealous....He did not quit, graduated from Navy flight school to become a Naval Aviator, gain the respect of his trainer Marine Corps Gunnery Sergeant Emil Foley. So Zack Mayo is pretty decent guy in my eyes..Thanks...
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Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on November 07, 2010, 02:02:21 PM
Quote from: dahlby on November 05, 2010, 06:58:18 PM

Your  quote from the LA Times was from 1989, have things changed since then, as it has been 11 years ago the statement was made.?

Nope, things have not really changed.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on November 07, 2010, 02:11:23 PM
Sabretooth Tiger:

Either you haven't seen the physical changes at Chapmen recently, or you did not know what Chapman looked like in 1989. There has been a multitude of remodeliing, new buiding and land aquisitions in the past 20 years.

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on November 07, 2010, 03:03:07 PM
Quote from: dahlby on November 07, 2010, 02:11:23 PM
Sabretooth Tiger:

Either you haven't seen the physical changes at Chapmen recently, or you did not know what Chapman looked like in 1989. There has been a multitude of remodeliing, new buiding and land aquisitions in the past 20 years.


This may prove Oxy Bob's point. :D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on November 07, 2010, 03:17:33 PM
Gray Fox,

As I indicated before, I am not debating OxyBob's statements or even distributing an opinion on the  merits (or lack thereof) of the SCIAC/Chapman membership application. All I am doing is correcting some misunderstandings or lack of factual statements that appear to be written periodically regarding the topic being discussed.  It might behoove you to read my postings a little closer. It is a fact that many changes have taken place at Chapman University since a local representing a group of around 25 people made statements in 1989 regarding Chapman's growth. The changes have included much growth. Good, bad or indifferent, I am not commenting.

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DIIIghetto on November 08, 2010, 11:38:04 AM
Long-time SCIAC fan here who desperately wants to see our conference rise out of the bottom tier.  We are not relevant outside of the southland, certainly not in a conversation about DIII basketball.  I know all the reasons why, I just don't accept the institutional athletic ceiling that we have placed upon ourselves. 

Chapman University probably is not a great fit for the SCIAC as an institution of higher learning, but as sports fans we should all want them.   I make that statement knowing that Chapman has tasted national success in the past.   I am hoping those people who influenced that success can be found again. 

My guess is that the biggest obstacles to SCIAC enrollment are folks at a couple of schools in Claremont.  Maybe even Oxy.  Chapman is a threat to them.  They get to disguise it under the cloak of Chapman not fitting the member profile of a SCIAC institution.  Don't fall for it.  Sure that is the case.  But what does that really mean?  Does it mean that their athletes will be bigger, faster, stronger?  Does it mean that their coaches are held to different standards?  Bigger athletic budgets?  Different approach to recruiting?

Bring them in folks.  Another decade of Claremont, Pomona and occasionally Oxy/Cal Lu earning our bid and getting sent home after a first round shellacking is not they way it has to be.   Chapman will help us.

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on November 08, 2010, 11:27:49 PM
Quote from: dahlby on November 07, 2010, 02:11:23 PM
Sabretooth Tiger:

Either you haven't seen the physical changes at Chapmen recently, or you did not know what Chapman looked like in 1989. There has been a multitude of remodeliing, new buiding and land aquisitions in the past 20 years.



The original post re "change" referred to the tension between the community and the institution . . . I'm well aware of the physical changes, additions and acquisitions that have been made over the years . . . Chapman has grown by leaps and bounds, and has an enormous appetite to become a nationally recognized and respected institution of higher learning. The tension with the community, however, remains firmly in place.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on November 09, 2010, 12:11:46 AM
Whittier, Redlands, La Verne, and Cal Lutheran in the SCIAC. No one can say honestly that Chapman is not equals or exceeds them academically and the same can be said athletically. We all know that Cal Tech, Oxy, Clarement and Pomona exceed Chapman academically. Why are them some SCIAC members and fans against Chapman joining.

What do they fear ? Chapman will not dominate the SCIAC or will they past most of the schools academically either. Jealously issues ?

What tensions specifically ?

Lots of new buildings since 1992
http://www.chapman.edu/about/chapfacts/history/default.asp

More building planned in the future
http://www.chapman.edu/about/community/construction/default.asp
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldchap on November 10, 2010, 07:28:15 PM
I for one would be in complete agreement with bringing Chapman into the SCIAC. Independent schools often feel like second class citizens. They don't have something to look forward to, like winning a title or playing against a big rival (like CMS vs. PP for instance). The only thing they can hope for is that they will win as many games as possible with the highest strength of schedule possible, given the challenges of building a decent season, so they can be considered for a Pool B bid. If they are unfortunate to have one bad night, there is no second chance. Best proof, Chapman made the playoff only once. That was last year as you know, and with a near "perfect" season. I bet had they been in the SCIAC, they would have made it a few more times. If you're not convinced, just look at the record of some teams in the SCIAC who actually made it to the post-season. As long as you finish in the conference top 4 at the end of the season, you've got a shot at it, regardless of your record.

In addition, Independents have to fill their schedule with meaningless games during the actual conference play, because no team will want to risk an injury or just plain fatigue for no good reason.

As far as academics, the argument against Chapman is laughable. Chapman has one of the best film schools in the US, probably close to those of USC or UCLA. And as far as more mainstream degrees, you just have to look at the incoming classes' average GPA or SAT. It is well in the middle of the pack as far as the SCIAC is concerned and considered a "more selective" school by some well known College Report.

The only reason the other schools in the SCIAC wouldn't want Chapman, besides the obvious which is the added competition the school will bring (meaning one less chance at a post-season berth), is the size of the school. It is about double in number of students as compared to the average SCIAC school. Why would it matter? I don't know but that's the only objective criterion I can come up with.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on November 10, 2010, 07:33:00 PM
Quote from: oldchap on November 10, 2010, 07:28:15 PM
I for one would be in complete agreement with bringing Chapman into the SCIAC. Independent schools often feel like second class citizens. They don't have something to look forward to, like winning a title or playing against a big rival (like CMS vs. PP for instance). The only thing they can hope for is that they will win as many games as possible with the highest strength of schedule possible, given the challenges of building a decent season, so they can be considered for a Pool B bid. If they are unfortunate to have one bad night, there is no second chance. Best proof, Chapman made the playoff only once. That was last year as you know, and with a near "perfect" season. I bet had they been in the SCIAC, they would have made it a few more times. If you're not convinced, just look at the record of some teams in the SCIAC who actually made it to the post-season. As long as you finish in the conference top 4 at the end of the season, you've got a shot at it, regardless of your record.

In addition, Independents have to fill their schedule with meaningless games during the actual conference play, because no team will want to risk an injury or just plain fatigue for no good reason.

As far as academics, the argument against Chapman is laughable. Chapman has one of the best film schools in the US, probably close to those of USC or UCLA. And as far as more mainstream degrees, you just have to look at the incoming classes' average GPA or SAT. It is well in the middle of the pack as far as the SCIAC is concerned and considered a "more selective" school by some well known College Report.

The only reason the other schools in the SCIAC wouldn't want Chapman, besides the obvious which is the added competition the school will bring (meaning one less chance at a post-season berth), is the size of the school. It is about double in number of students as compared to the average SCIAC school. Why would it matter? I don't know but that's the only objective criterion I can come up with.
THANKS...Well stated  ;D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DIIIghetto on November 11, 2010, 01:39:28 PM
Good points but as a long-time SCIAC fan let me point out that keeping Chapman out based on its enrollment size admits our institutional athletic priority of preserving our little local athletic club.  Success athletically for every SCIAC school is defined by their performance within the conference and against their historic rivals.  This creates a very low ceiling for our coaches and teams.  Our athletic directors should every year engage in a debate about how much money each school can save by jumping out of the NCAA and moving all sports to club status.  Nobody will seriously accept that but it should force the question: if we care about being in the NCAA we should collectively care about where we rank within it.  In basketball and football we are bottom tier.  Self-imposed reality. 

We have to be prepared to compete against larger schools with different academic standards.  Williams, Amherst and a slew of other elite liberal arts schools have embraced this.  They have consistent success on the national scene.  Would Claremont or Pomona accept it if their government/politics/econ departments were ranked in the bottom tier of liberal arts colleges?  How about the arts?  So why should our institutions accept less with respect to sports? 

Chapman helps, let them in.

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on November 11, 2010, 03:26:06 PM
When UCLA, UCSB, and San Diego State got too big, they left.
Let's just save everyone a step and keep Chapman out. :P
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CMSfan on November 11, 2010, 04:24:20 PM
1. I think student-athletes at Chapman have far more to gain from Chapman's addition to SCIAC than student-athletes at the other SCIAC schools.  While I think a more competitive SCIAC is good for all SCIAC student-athletes, Chapman's inclusion in SCIAC would likely mean fewer SCIAC championships and fewer NCAA bids for other SCIAC schools.  So, I think the benefits of more competition in conference are somewhat mitigated by the probable loss of NCAA tournament opportunities, especially since SCIAC schools already get to play Chapman throughout the season. I feel bad for the situation Chapman is stuck in, but as long as Chapman is not in SCIAC, Chapman's problem is not SCIAC's problem.  SCIAC should add Chapman if it is in the best interest of SCIAC's schools.  I happen to think it probably is, but I'm not fully convinced.

2. I think Chapman's vision/mission for the future (especially in terms of size) is relevant, at least to some extent.  I don't think I know what that vision is, and I would be interested to see evidence of what that vision is, if anyone has links they could share.  (My 30-second search of Chapman's website for a master plan didn't turn anything up.)

3. I don't think the addition of Chapman would have much, if any, effect on the ability of SCIAC schools to stand out on the national scene, at least not in most sports.  I think higher-caliber athletes are needed for that, and I don't think think the addition of Chapman to SCIAC will lead many, if any, higher-caliber athletes to choose CMS, P-P, Redlands, etc.

4. I don't think this is true:

Quote from: DIIIghetto on November 11, 2010, 01:39:28 PM
Success athletically for every SCIAC school is defined by their performance within the conference and against their historic rivals.

Well, at least I know it's not true for CMS in many (though not all) sports.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on November 11, 2010, 06:19:44 PM
Quote from: DIIIghetto on November 11, 2010, 01:39:28 PMWould Claremont or Pomona accept it if their government/politics/econ departments were ranked in the bottom tier of liberal arts colleges?  How about the arts?  So why should our institutions accept less with respect to sports?  

Really?  You don't see a difference in resource prioritization?  Don't see a difference in comparing academic programs to athletic programs?  What does "top ranked" mean to you?

Being the member of a "top ten" NCAA DIII football, basketball, volleyball, soccer, etc program compared to a "bottom tiered" program (whatever that is) makes not a whit of difference in the avenues opened to students in their quest for graduate education or a career path.  (Do you think that a Rowan football player has a better shot earning a Fulbright than a Whitman graduate?)  The key in Div III is (at least in theory) participation, not winning or being "top tier."  The goal is to "play the game" win, lose or draw. 

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on November 12, 2010, 08:18:21 AM
Moving away from this SCIAC Chapman issue which has been beaten to a pulp...

Congrats to Chris Blees and his mention on on the 4th-team Pre-Season All American list. It's a well deserved mention, and puts an even larger target on his back for this year. I'm sure he's up for the challenge!

The Stags are under a week away from their first game!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DIIIghetto on November 12, 2010, 12:51:31 PM
Quote from: Sabretooth Tiger on November 11, 2010, 06:19:44 PM
Quote from: DIIIghetto on November 11, 2010, 01:39:28 PMWould Claremont or Pomona accept it if their government/politics/econ departments were ranked in the bottom tier of liberal arts colleges?  How about the arts?  So why should our institutions accept less with respect to sports?  

Really?  You don't see a difference in resource prioritization?  Don't see a difference in comparing academic programs to athletic programs?  What does "top ranked" mean to you?

Being the member of a "top ten" NCAA DIII football, basketball, volleyball, soccer, etc program compared to a "bottom tiered" program (whatever that is) makes not a whit of difference in the avenues opened to students in their quest for graduate education or a career path.  (Do you think that a Rowan football player has a better shot earning a Fulbright than a Whitman graduate?)  The key in Div III is (at least in theory) participation, not winning or being "top tier."  The goal is to "play the game" win, lose or draw. 



Academics and athletics are apples and oranges.  My point  was to highlight that other elite liberal arts institutions have found paths to national success on the hardwood.   Many of these schools are in the academic competitive set for our best SCIAC schools.  I am one person who does not donate to my college because I support athletic "participation".   My donations to the YMCA and Boys & Girls Clubs are for that purpose.  To your point about resource prioritization, we can save money and meet a goal of encouraging athletic participation at the Club level.  Let's allow our schools to redirect funds to other areas if our primary athletic goal is participation.   
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on November 12, 2010, 01:16:27 PM
Quote from: stag44 on November 12, 2010, 08:18:21 AM
Moving away from this SCIAC Chapman issue which has been beaten to a pulp

Indeed.

Oxy has a tough exhibition opener @ D-I San Diego of the West Coast Conference tonight at 7:00 p.m.

Good luck to Claremont this season. See you in the Temple of Doom.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DIIIghetto on November 12, 2010, 02:39:17 PM
Quote from: stag44 on November 12, 2010, 08:18:21 AM
Moving away from this SCIAC Chapman issue which has been beaten to a pulp...

Congrats to Chris Blees and his mention on on the 4th-team Pre-Season All American list. It's a well deserved mention, and puts an even larger target on his back for this year. I'm sure he's up for the challenge!

The Stags are under a week away from their first game!

Blees is good enough to be higher and is being penalized by being in the best team in a poorly marketed, poorly perceived conference.  But having said that, it is great to get someone on the list so congrats to him.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DIIIghetto on November 12, 2010, 05:44:02 PM
Saw that Redlands has a 1st teamer in the women's division, that is amazing!  Congrats! 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on November 13, 2010, 12:47:44 AM
U San Diego 83 Oxy 66 Final

Oxy led 24-21 at 10:06, but USD outscored the Tigers 18-2 over the next 5 minutes, and the Toreros led 50-32 at the half. Oxy won the second half 34-33.

For Oxy, Deshun McCoy scored 12, Jack Hanley had 13, and freshman Kris Montoya scored 21 plus 6 rebounds.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cmsme on November 16, 2010, 10:32:27 PM
is anyone listening to the claremont--azusa pacific game?  there is a button that says LISTEN, but i can't get it to work.  The score is posted.  They seemed to start off slow.  it was 9 to zero within minutes, but score is now 17 to 14.  it seems like a good team.  wish i could listen.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cmsme on November 16, 2010, 10:37:36 PM
never mind.  i got it.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cmsme on November 16, 2010, 11:42:35 PM
claremont is behind by 3 points with less than 6 minutes to go! maybe they'll win.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cmsme on November 16, 2010, 11:50:54 PM
it is a two point game and the sound goes off.  why does this always happen???  claremont could beat the #1 ranked naia team,  and that would be cool--but i can't hear what is going on.  if any basketball expert listened to the game, did claremont play well, or azusa pacific play not so well?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CMSfan on November 17, 2010, 12:13:00 AM
Look like the Stags pulled out the win at APU, 81-79.  If anyone has an eyewitness report, I'd love to hear more about the game.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cmsme on November 17, 2010, 12:28:29 AM
when the sound came by on, the game was tied with 10 seconds left to play.  Chris Blees got fouled and made both shots, which is impressive as there seemed to be a big crowd, based on the noise.  After Chis' basket, Azusa pacific had another chance, but the basket didn't go in.
Claremont was behind most of the game, and just squeaked in.  Based on the names mentioned by the AP announcers, a lot of the team contributed to the win.   :)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on November 17, 2010, 12:38:45 AM
CMS BEATS APU!!!!!!!!!!

Down 10 at the half, they battle back, taking their first lead with under 3 minutes to go, and from there go back and forth. Blees gets fouled with under 4 seconds to go to give them a 2 point lead, and the hold on!!!!!!

Absolutely huge win for the Stags, the SCIAC, and D3!!!

Along with Blees (25pts), Lacey, Anderson, Davis, Pinson, Gaffeney, and Heidrich all played admirably. Big props to Lacey for battling with a D1 kick back all game long and coming through in the end with big buckets. He's really developed the last 2 years to a big time SCIAC 5. Couldn't be happier.


Would love to see some ink on the D3 home page with this win as well!!!

The road doesn't get any easier for the Stags this week. On Saturday they travel to Irvine to play Concordia (NAIA #5). As wonderful of a win this was, they need to get back into Ducey tomorrow morning ready to practice and get better. CUI throws a nasty man-to-man press out there that has caused upward of 30 turnovers from the stags in the past. Its paramount that the guards (Davis, Pinson, Mivshek, Heidrich) break the press with the pass not the dribble. Even if Concordia gets a couple breakaways and easyones, its vitally important the Stags remain poised. After this win, Concordia will be ready for the Stags and bring all their guns including Taylor King, Justin Johnson and Cameron Glidden ready to play. A game in the 60s favors the Stags!!!

CONGRATS TO THEM AGAIN FOR A HUGEEEEEE WIN!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gromek on November 17, 2010, 12:41:48 AM
Just looking at the Claremont stats.   They Claremont had 33-27 edge in rebounding.   Blees  had 25 points and 6 rebounds.   The two freshmen guards have good numbers.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on November 17, 2010, 12:44:34 AM
Quote from: stag44 on November 17, 2010, 12:38:45 AM
Absolutely huge win for the Stags, the SCIAC, and D3!!!

What a great victory for CMS over the No. 1 team in NAIA. That is awesome.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on November 17, 2010, 01:19:45 AM
In non-conference hoops action tonight in Orange, La Verne lost to that independent other university in Orange County, 67-49.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 17, 2010, 03:12:54 AM
Quote from: stag44 on November 17, 2010, 12:38:45 AM
CMS BEATS APU!!!!!!!!!!

Down 10 at the half, they battle back, taking their first lead with under 3 minutes to go, and from there go back and forth. Blees gets fouled with under 4 seconds to go to give them a 2 point lead, and the hold on!!!!!!

Absolutely huge win for the Stags, the SCIAC, and D3!!!

Along with Blees (25pts), Lacey, Anderson, Davis, Pinson, Gaffeney, and Heidrich all played admirably. Big props to Lacey for battling with a D1 kick back all game long and coming through in the end with big buckets. He's really developed the last 2 years to a big time SCIAC 5. Couldn't be happier.


Would love to see some ink on the D3 home page with this win as well!!!

The road doesn't get any easier for the Stags this week. On Saturday they travel to Irvine to play Concordia (NAIA #5). As wonderful of a win this was, they need to get back into Ducey tomorrow morning ready to practice and get better. CUI throws a nasty man-to-man press out there that has caused upward of 30 turnovers from the stags in the past. Its paramount that the guards (Davis, Pinson, Mivshek, Heidrich) break the press with the pass not the dribble. Even if Concordia gets a couple breakaways and easyones, its vitally important the Stags remain poised. After this win, Concordia will be ready for the Stags and bring all their guns including Taylor King, Justin Johnson and Cameron Glidden ready to play. A game in the 60s favors the Stags!!!

CONGRATS TO THEM AGAIN FOR A HUGEEEEEE WIN!

More ink on our site than on CMS site right now. Thanks for the email, 44.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on November 17, 2010, 08:41:45 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 17, 2010, 03:12:54 AM
More ink on our site than on CMS site right now. Thanks for the email, 44.

Thanks for the love, Pat! Really appreciate it, and glad to see that the Stags and SCIAC are making some national news. Hopefully this will reflect in the polls next week regardless of result on Saturday.

I can give a bit more color on them once I see them in St Louis this year.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Titan Q on November 17, 2010, 08:43:18 AM
Tremendous win, CMS!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cmsme on November 17, 2010, 08:52:24 AM
There is an article, pictures and box score from Azusa Pacific.          http://www.apu.edu/athletics/basketball/mens/stories/16471/
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on November 17, 2010, 09:35:49 AM
Quote from: cmsme on November 17, 2010, 08:52:24 AM
There is an article, pictures and box score from Azusa Pacific.

That is a rather blunt commentary about APU's performance.

QuoteNever mind that the loss will likely knock Azusa Pacific from the NAIA's top billing when the next coaches' poll is released in December, it snaps the Cougars' 42- game winning streak over NCAA Division III teams, and ironically, it was Claremont-Mudd that handed Azusa Pacific its last loss to a DIII school, a 73-69 setback back in the 1990-91 season.

Love it. Good on ya, CMS.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hoopsallthetime on November 17, 2010, 11:41:05 AM
Quote from: stag44 on November 17, 2010, 12:38:45 AM
CMS BEATS APU!!!!!!!!!!

Down 10 at the half, they battle back, taking their first lead with under 3 minutes to go, and from there go back and forth. Blees gets fouled with under 4 seconds to go to give them a 2 point lead, and the hold on!!!!!!

Absolutely huge win for the Stags, the SCIAC, and D3!!!

Along with Blees (25pts), Lacey, Anderson, Davis, Pinson, Gaffeney, and Heidrich all played admirably. Big props to Lacey for battling with a D1 kick back all game long and coming through in the end with big buckets. He's really developed the last 2 years to a big time SCIAC 5. Couldn't be happier.


Would love to see some ink on the D3 home page with this win as well!!!

The road doesn't get any easier for the Stags this week. On Saturday they travel to Irvine to play Concordia (NAIA #5). As wonderful of a win this was, they need to get back into Ducey tomorrow morning ready to practice and get better. CUI throws a nasty man-to-man press out there that has caused upward of 30 turnovers from the stags in the past. Its paramount that the guards (Davis, Pinson, Mivshek, Heidrich) break the press with the pass not the dribble. Even if Concordia gets a couple breakaways and easyones, its vitally important the Stags remain poised. After this win, Concordia will be ready for the Stags and bring all their guns including Taylor King, Justin Johnson and Cameron Glidden ready to play. A game in the 60s favors the Stags!!!

CONGRATS TO THEM AGAIN FOR A HUGEEEEEE WIN!

****Eyewitness Report*****
The Stags didn't know what hit them in the first 4 minutes of the game as the APU defense swarmed them at every turn, forcing 4 turnovers and holding them without a field goal for the first 4 minutes of the game. APU rolled out to a 15-4 lead less than 8 minutes into the contest. Finally the Stags got there bearings, and were able to capitalize on a couple of uncontested layups and 3 point shooting. APU controlled the majority of the first half, usually leading by a margin of 8 to 10 points througout the first half. Senior Patrick Lacey was able to lead the way in the first half with a couple of great plays including a thundering two handed dunk down the middle of the lane, that even brought a couple of APU students off of there butts. CMS overall in the first half was able to weather  the APU opening onslaught, and matched there energy the rest of the half to stay within 10 points, down 44-34 at halftime.

In the second half, Coach Scali and the Stags made adjustments, which I can't say APU did as well. Owen's was a beast the first half, single handedly scoring at will against the stags. The second half was a different story. The stags were able to limit Owen's touches, and every basket he was able to score was tough. Scali and the Stags were not going to let Owen's beat them...so it was up to other talented APU athletes to fill the load. They simply looked scared. I don't know if scared is the word, but they looked shakey. Every shot was off balance or forced, and the Stags were able to force a lot of one and out's on nearly every posession down the floor.  As for the Stags, CMS Senior MVP played like an MVP. Blees played like a beast...ready to trample on anyone who got in his way. Blees scored 20 of his game-high 25 points in the second half, going 5-for-7 from the floor and 10-for-11 at the charity line.  The Stags just wanted it more, including a couple of Scali's talented Freshman and Sophomores. I have to say, recruiting at CMS has certainly picked up with the last couple of years, seeing a lot of great players toning the Maroon and Gold. Freshman guard Remy Pinson was absolultey fun to watch. Remy was able to step in for the Shane Davis at every opportunity, and nothing more important than a 3-pointer that gave Claremont-Mudd its first lead of the game at 74-73 with 3:26 left to play. Another Pinson trey put the Stags back up at 77-76 with 2 minutes left, and Claremont-Mudd never trailed again. A pair Marshall Johnson free throws for APU did tie the game at 79-79 with 24 seconds left, setting up the Stags' final game-winning possession. With 14 seconds left in the game, Senior Chris Blees waited out the clock and with 7 seconds remaining on the clock began to work the taller guard. As Blees started to move over a set pick from Patrick Lacey, APU's center De'Angelo Riley jumped the screen and reached for the ball, colliding with Blees and committing an obvious foul. Blees, a 75-percent free throw shooter last year, made both shots to go up 81-79. APU's Mike Caffese's running jumper in the key banged off the right side of the rim as the final horn sounded. A great win for the relentless Stags, who looked like they were in mid-season form rather than showing off there talents on the first game of the year. Give it to Scali and the Stags for weathering the early storm and battling together for a hard fought victory.

Freshman guards Tyler Gaffaney, Remy Pinson and Cody Mivshek played a lot of crucial minutes down the stretch for the Stags. I look forward to see how they continue to battle for minutes throughout the season. After tonight, I don't see how they don't play a lot of minutes once the SCIAC comes along. The Stags still have a lot of work to do this year, but this year looks promising. The Stags travel to Concordia this Saturday to play the #5th ranked team in NAIA...Good luck Stags!!!!

Stats:
Chris Blees 25 points....6 rebs....11-13 FT
Joey Anderson  9 points...3 rebs..
Patrick Lacey  8 points...4 rebs....
Shane Davis  11 points....3 rebs...
Cody Mivshek 7 points...4 rebs...
Remy Pinson  13 points...2 rebs....
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DIIIghetto on November 17, 2010, 11:50:35 AM
What a great way to start off my morning.  Thank you Scali and Stags! 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cmsme on November 18, 2010, 10:06:59 PM
Regarding the CMS game against Concordia on Saturday, the following link enables you to watch live or On Demand.  There seems to be a cost, but I don't know what it is.      http://client.stretchinternet.com/client/cui.portal#

Concordia has a transfer,Taylor King who signed with UCLA when he was in 8th grade.  He ended up playing at Duke for one year and then at Villanova for a year.  He must be very good, but I looked at his stats for the most recent game and his shooting seemed to be way off.   Any predictions?

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on November 18, 2010, 10:46:13 PM
Quote from: cmsme on November 18, 2010, 10:06:59 PM
Regarding the CMS game against Concordia on Saturday, the following link enables you to watch live or On Demand.  There seems to be a cost, but I don't know what it is.      http://client.stretchinternet.com/client/cui.portal#

Concordia has a transfer,Taylor King who signed with UCLA when he was in 8th grade.  He ended up playing at Duke for one year and then at Villanova for a year.  He must be very good, but I looked at his stats for the most recent game and his shooting seemed to be way off.   Any predictions?



There is video, and going from last years cost by the same provider, its between 8-10 dollars for the game.

I personally believe that Concordia will be an even stiffer test than APU. Their style and athleticism really bother the Stags. The 2 years I played in those games, they dominated us in the full court with their guard pressure and denial. They probably picked our PGs clean 4-5 times in the back court of both games for easy layups. Once the Stags get into the half court though, they should be able to control it. The key lies in controlling the middle third of the court, limiting turnovers, and contesting all shots.

The Stags are running high with emotion, but I'm sure Concordia saw the APU loss and will be ready and prepared for the Stags. No winner/loser prediction from me, but if the Stags can keep it close through the first 10 minutes and then prevent any 10-2 12-3 runs, the pressure fall squarely on Concordia.

Taylor King is on the team, but is arguably not the best player on the squad. That probably goes to Justin Johnson who leads the team in scoring and is the reigning GSAC player of the year.  Should be an exciting game.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on November 21, 2010, 10:19:36 AM
CMS-Concordia contest in Irvine was called with 4:27 to go in first half because of power failure. Concordia was leading 30-15. No future date for completion has been set. Info was on CUI web site.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on November 21, 2010, 10:45:24 AM
Quote from: dahlby on November 17, 2010, 01:19:45 AM
In non-conference hoops action tonight in Orange, La Verne lost to that independent other university in Orange County, 67-49.
November 16, 2010
Season-opening success as Chapman tops La Verne 67-49

http://www.chapmanathletics.com/sports/mbkb/2010-11/releases/1116
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on November 21, 2010, 10:47:21 AM
November 20, 2010
Redlands Men's Basketball Stumbles to Chapman in Home Opener

http://www.goredlands.com/sports/mbkb/2010-11/releases/20101121wm2o3c
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hugenerd on November 21, 2010, 08:43:38 PM
Caltech only lost by 8 to ORV Merchant Marine and the team they got blown out by yesterday (MSOE), also blew out Carnegie Mellon today, which are all good signs indicating that Caltech is improved over recent years.  This could be the year they break through with some wins.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: connerfaught on November 26, 2010, 05:30:03 PM
Anyone know why Drew Menez is no longer on the Whittier roster?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: magicman on November 28, 2010, 05:37:30 AM
UC Santa Cruz Banana Slugs beats Pomona-Pitzer 75-73  and Clarmont-Mudd-Scripps 62-60 on back to back nights and there's no chatter on the SCIAC board about it. Not one mention of it happening. Especially after the Stags big win last week and the hope of a possible national ranking.  Where is everybody?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: connerfaught on November 28, 2010, 09:49:52 AM
Chris Blees is hurt bro and the Sagehens are young.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CMSfan on November 28, 2010, 05:18:42 PM
Quote from: connerfaught on November 28, 2010, 09:49:52 AM
Chris Blees is hurt

What's the word on how long Blees is out?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OGStag22 on November 29, 2010, 12:39:09 AM
So who is connerfaught because its definitely not the real person....
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hoopsallthetime on November 29, 2010, 11:43:14 AM
Blees is out for the remainder of the season. I'm sure this will be out sooner or later due to some of the SCIAC coaches watching Friday and Saturday night in Claremont. Chris tore his ACL two weeks ago against Concordia on a fluke play. Scali and the Stags will figure out how to win without Blees, but it will be a fight to the end. They still have a lot of talent, but it will take time to figure out how to win without the 2 time SCIAC MVP.

I haven't had the chance to see the other teams play besides Pomona, but I still think CMS can win the conference without Blees this year. The stags still have a load of talent, and are running about 5 deep on the bench. Scali will find a way to win, and you won't see CMS dropping there heads and not fighting for back to back to back SCIAC championships. It should be an interesting season.

Conner...its good to see you on the board!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on November 29, 2010, 05:07:01 PM
SCIAC Schedule and Scoreboard.
http://www.thesciac.org/sports/mbkb/2010-11/schedule
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on December 01, 2010, 11:24:51 AM
Stags go to a very challenging Lopata Classic this week, facing Franklin and Marshall (#15) and Wash U (home team). Should be a very interesting challenge for them now without Blees.

I'll be out there watching and cheering them on, hopefully see some familiar faces there as well.

In the rest of the SCIAC, we have the wonderful Lee Fulmer Tournament, as well as some non-conference games. Any insights on the Lee Fulmer? Chapman has to be the favorite going in. Wouldn't surprise me if we saw a Chapman UCSC final give the Banana Slugs performance in Claremont last weekend.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on December 01, 2010, 01:17:40 PM
The Redlands Tourney does not have the out of area teams that it has had in the past. With Santa Cruz, Whittier, Redlands, Cal Tech and Chapman being the D3 Teams and W/C Baptist, Southwestern AZ and American Sports Institute being non-NCAA teams rounding out the competition. This line-up isn't going to help anyone's SOS.

Maybe the OXY posters could give us a scouting report on ASI, as they have already played them twice this year at OXY.  OXY has also defeated W/C Baptist at home this year. UCSC has knocked off a couple of D3's this year and I am told their program is getting stronger. They have some guys that have been with them for a while.

UCSC would meet Chapman in the semi's if they both win their first game. The Redlands web site lists the games and times for all participants.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldchap on December 02, 2010, 01:57:30 PM
Quote from: dahlby on December 01, 2010, 01:17:40 PM
UCSC would meet Chapman in the semi's if they both win their first game. The Redlands web site lists the games and times for all participants.

Dahlby,

I guess I'm not reading the schedule the same way. I agree with stag44. The only way that Chapman and UCSC would play in the Fulmer tournament is in the finals. If Chapman wins their first game, they would play against the winner of the Whittier-West Coast Baptist game in the semis.

Disappointing to see such a week tournament this year... But assuming Chapman and UCSC do meet in the finals, it should be a good game.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on December 02, 2010, 04:25:22 PM
And I had my glasses on... And I thought it was something else that went first! Beat me up, make me write bad checks...I have it coming after this! :-)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on December 04, 2010, 12:42:41 AM
It's been quite a long time since I posted, but I just came back from Day 1 at the Lopata. Caught the 2nd half of the CMS game. They had an iffy call go against them with 6 seconds left and F&M got two shots to win the game. I was wondering why Blees was in street clothes, but now I know. Too bad.

Great atmoshphere for Tsinghua vs WashU. Too much size for Tsinghua to handle. They had two good players but didn't run much on offense. I'd say 2000 in attendance.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on December 04, 2010, 05:17:13 PM
Cal Tech up 40-20 against Americam Sports Inst at halftime in the Redlands Tourney.

UPDATE:
Beavers hold on and win 74-67. Congradulations!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on December 05, 2010, 12:35:46 AM
Chapman goes to 6-1 with a 70-57 win over Redlands tonight  ;D

Chapman is now 4-0 vs SCIAC and 5-0 vs D3 Opponents.

http://www.chapmanathletics.com/sports/mbkb/2010-11/schedule
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on December 10, 2010, 10:13:54 AM
CMS went to Concordia to finish up their game from a couple weeks ago and were beaten up. Concordia may have the best denial and guard defense year in and year out I've ever seen. Even when I watch the Concorida APU games, it amazes me how they can create 6-10 points a gaime on simply pressuring the point guard into steals/TOs etc.

CMS now stands at 2-4 heading into tail end of the semester, with the daunting task of facing Whitworth on the 19th. That will be another stiff challenge for the Stags, and there is a strong possibility of them entering SCIAC with a record of 4-6. At the end of the day though, given their adjustments without Blees, this isn't terrible. It ends up becoming a 16 game season for them, whereas, with Blees they had a shot of an at-large bid and making a serious run in the NCAAs.

After watching them in St. Louis, I was very impressed with their grit and fight. Scali's teams are usually defined by their rugged defense, will, and perseverence. The last couple years, the Stags offensive explosiveness and talent allowed the defense to be slightly down, but this year they have tightened the bolts again. Against a bigger and more talented Franklin and Marshall team, the Stags held the Diplomats without a field goal the last 4:30 of the game, and only allowed 2 fts on a questionable foul at the end of the game. This bodes well for them come SCIAC season if they can rely on their defense to get stops down the stretch.

It will now be a team scoring by committee, which should be good as you can't key on one player, but bad as come crunch time there isn't anyone yet who is "the man". Lacey will be a load on the block, Anderson is a pogo stick and the best rebounder in the SCIAC, Heidrich is a dead eye shooter, Pinson is a lead guard who loves the bright lights. Off the bench, Davis, Sullivan and Mivshek will provide the scoring punch. I'm excited to see how the Stags continue to respond to adversity!

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on December 12, 2010, 12:53:31 PM
Chapman is now 8-1 and 6-0 vs SCIAC so far with 65-54 win over Pomona-Pitzer on Saturday. Will SCIAC vote Chapman into the SCIAC ? I guess we will find out in April 2011.

http://www.chapmanathletics.com/sports/mbkb/2010-11/releases/1211
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldchap on December 12, 2010, 04:17:30 PM
Quote from: CrashDavisD3 on December 12, 2010, 12:53:31 PM
Chapman is now 8-1 and 6-0 vs SCIAC so far with 65-54 win over Pomona-Pitzer on Saturday. Will SCIAC vote Chapman into the SCIAC ? I guess we will find out in April 2011.

http://www.chapmanathletics.com/sports/mbkb/2010-11/releases/1211

Chapman is every bit as good, if not better than last year. They gained a true point guard, who thinks assist before scoring, but is still dead accurate (13-24 3 pt shooting so far in 9 games); they also gained a very agile guard/small forward, who can score from 3 pts, and a duo of post players who are more versatile in terms of shooting range and agility. And they kept their two star players, now seniors, who both have a chance at making All-Independent MVP. Coaching is very consistent and as good as ever. If they stay healthy and focused, they're a shoe in for another Pool B post-season.

Even though it makes complete sense, looking at the success they've had in the past several years against SCIAC teams, you would think no SCIAC coach would be very thrilled about welcoming Chapman in their Conference. We'll see...
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on December 12, 2010, 05:53:55 PM
How come we have more Chapman posters on this board than SCIAC posters? :-[
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: West Coast Bias on December 13, 2010, 03:28:20 PM
Quote from: oldchap on December 12, 2010, 04:17:30 PM
Quote from: CrashDavisD3 on December 12, 2010, 12:53:31 PM
Chapman is now 8-1 and 6-0 vs SCIAC so far with 65-54 win over Pomona-Pitzer on Saturday. Will SCIAC vote Chapman into the SCIAC ? I guess we will find out in April 2011.

http://www.chapmanathletics.com/sports/mbkb/2010-11/releases/1211

Even though it makes complete sense, looking at the success they've had in the past several years against SCIAC teams, you would think no SCIAC coach would be very thrilled about welcoming Chapman in their Conference. We'll see...

Complete sense for Chapman?  Absolutely.  For the SCIAC?  I can't think of one reason why adding Chapman benefits the SCIAC.

Chapman is not as good as last year.  The SCIAC is down. 

Gray,  I think the reason there are no SCIAC posters on this board right now is because everyone is trying to figure out who is on their team.  There are a lot of new faces running around the SCIAC. 

Claremont went from being the run away favorite to just another team with the loss of Blees.
Cal Lu is trying to find their identity without Knudsen and Meyer.
Oxy has a nice 3 man show going with McCoy Hanley and the new guy.  But last I checked you played with 5.
PP doesnt have 1 player on their roster that I remember playing last year.
UR has probably the most veteran team, but can they put it together?
Whittier was one of the most talented teams going into the season, but the loss of Menez and Deane puts them at square 1
ULV has a lot of pieces back but are still trying to put them all together
Cal Tech is better, much better, but I am guessing their posters are on a different board.


Seems like most years where the winner of the SCIAC tournament will get the bid.  And it looks like we have a dog fight for the top 4.  Should be a fun year in the SCIAC.  Here are my SCIAC predictions:

1. Redlands
2. Cal Lu
3. Oxy
4. CMS
5. ULV
6. PP
7. Whittier
8 Cal Tech

Oxy wins the SCIAC tournament behind monster performances by their Big 3.

Cal Tech breaks the streak.

With a down SCIAC, Chapman sets a new record for lowest SOS for an NCAA pool B team.





Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on December 13, 2010, 05:01:49 PM
Quote from: West Coast Bias on December 13, 2010, 03:28:20 PM
Cal Tech ... posters are on a different board.
They fell into a black hole on their Astronomy 101 field trip. ;D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hugenerd on December 13, 2010, 09:48:25 PM
Can this be true? The scoreboard page has Caltech up by 32 on Eastern Nazerene with 10 minutes to play...

Final score, Caltech 87 - Eatern Nazarne 53.

2 in a row.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hugenerd on December 13, 2010, 11:19:39 PM
Official CalTech Press Conference:

http://www.gocaltech.com/sports/mbkb/2010-11/releases/20101213psgsuu
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on December 13, 2010, 11:27:03 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on December 13, 2010, 11:19:39 PM
Official CalTech Press Conference:

http://www.gocaltech.com/sports/mbkb/2010-11/releases/20101213psgsuu

Are we sure this isn't just another elaborate Caltech hoax, like their hijacking of the Rose Bowl scoreboard (http://today.caltech.edu/today/story-display?story_id=11464) or the UW cheerleader's flipcards (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Rose_Bowl_Hoax)?  Do we have an eyewitness?  Sorry, Bob, I mean a trustworthy eyewitness?  ;)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gosox on December 14, 2010, 10:43:39 AM
Yes it is true, Cal Tech won and played well.  Watched it with my own eyes.   :)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hugenerd on December 15, 2010, 01:11:24 PM
CalTech is featured on the front page of NYtimes.com right now.  Here is the link to the article:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/16/sports/ncaabasketball/16caltech.html?hp
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DIIIghetto on December 15, 2010, 02:41:49 PM
Hey, SCIAC is the lead story!  Loving it.

With the SCIAC nowhere to be found in the Top 50 of DIII this year, we all probably should accept that this is the year of the Beavers at CalTech.  Their coach was part of the turnaround at MIT, lifting that program up from the DIII baskeball ghetto where we all reside and into a consistent national power.  CMS & Pomona, take note: being an academic powerhouse does not confine you to the basketball underworld.

I am not sure CalTech can have that success but who is to say they can't.  Eslinger is a guy with vision. 

CalTech will not only win a SCIAC game this year, but they will win more than 1 game.  It will be a great story. 

My other predictions.  I agree that Redlands and Cal Lu look like favorites, with Oxy close behind.  BUT, I go with a different order because each of those teams has holes and nobody is better at exploiting those holes than Scali & Kats.   Oxy is just too young and that means that they won't bring their best game every night.  They will drop 2 to CMS and split with a bunch of other teams.  Same probably with Redlands and Cal Lu.   

Winner: CMS
PP
Redlands
Oxy
CalLu
Whittier
LV
CT



Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hugenerd on December 15, 2010, 03:05:25 PM
I think the most important part of the Caltech turnaround is nothing to do with X's and O's, its the things that happen in the offseason.  You cant win with players who cant compete at this level, and before Eslinger got there they had a roster filled mostly with guys who werent even good enough to play varsity in high school.  He learned how to recruit to a school like Caltech, while at MIT from Coach Anderson, and he if he continues to be able to recruit the guys who have the grades to get accepted to Caltech and can play, he is sure to improve the program.

Also, I like Caltech's chances in winning a few SCIAC games this year also.  They were leading UC Santa Cruz in the second half of their matchup earlier in the season on the road (before playing poorly down the stretch), and UCSC already has a win or two against your SCIAC favorites.  Caltech gets another crack at UCSC at home this Saturday, so it should be interesting to see how they do with the home court advantage!  It will also be a good gauge to see how much they really have improved.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 15, 2010, 05:36:51 PM
I am totally rooting for Caltech to stop being the perennial obvious candidate for the 'winless' pool; next step, end the SCIAC losing streak. :)

I just watched the video that goes with the front page story.  Somehow it seems appropriate that Coach Eslinger both looks and sounds more like a 'nerdy professor' than a bball coach!  (And proves, again, that appearances can be deceiving - he is obviously a very good bball coach!)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hugenerd on December 16, 2010, 01:11:34 PM
And the awards keep piling up for Caltech...Ryan Elmquist named SCIAC player of the week:

http://www.gocaltech.com/sports/mbkb/2010-11/releases/elmquistAOW
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hugenerd on December 18, 2010, 08:07:36 PM
Caltech wins again! 63-62 over UC Santa Cruz.  UCSC has beat CMS, PP, and Whittier this year.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hugenerd on December 18, 2010, 09:37:03 PM
Caltech has some video from tonights game on their site:

http://www.gocaltech.com/sports/mbkb/2010-11/releases/20101218hm2r8k

They lead by as many as 16 in the first half, but couldnt put it away, but were able to pull it off at the end.

Ryan Elmquist scored his 1000th point and broke the schools all time blocks mark, breaking Ben Turk's old mark of 126 (who went on to be a grad assitant at Carnegie Mellon).
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gosox on December 18, 2010, 10:46:47 PM
Watched as Cal Tech was able to post another victory.  Was nice to see Ryan break Cal Tech "blocks in a career" record, and join the 1000 point club.  Some solid play all the way around. Ryan Elmquist, Todd Cramer, Mike Edwards, Mike Paluchniak and Alex Runkel contributed solidly to the all out team effort.   Nice to see them supported by so many fans as well, the little gym was packed.  There was lot's of alumni in attendance to see them battle.  Nice job Beavers!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 19, 2010, 03:14:49 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on December 18, 2010, 08:07:36 PM
Caltech wins again! 63-62 over UC Santa Cruz.  UCSC has beat CMS, PP, and Whittier this year.

Break up the Beavers!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hugenerd on December 19, 2010, 04:58:51 PM
Here is a blog entry from a former Caltech player after last nights game.  He compares recruiting before and after Coach Eslinger's arrival:

http://mahalonottrash.blogspot.com/2010/12/beavers-win-beavers-win.html

I thought it was interesting, there is also a clip from the end of the UCSC game.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hugenerd on December 19, 2010, 05:23:42 PM
Another blog entry from yesterday that references (and links to) the espn story from 2007.  The change in culture since Eslinger has arrived, at least in terms of recruiting, seems significant:

http://readingbyeugene.com/2010/12/18/the-remarkable-story-of-the-caltech-beavers-mens-basketball-team/
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cmsme on December 19, 2010, 06:15:16 PM
is anyone getting the live stats on the cms whitworth game?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: nwhoops1903 on December 19, 2010, 06:27:32 PM
Quote from: cmsme on December 19, 2010, 06:15:16 PM
is anyone getting the live stats on the cms whitworth game?
not working here either
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: (509)Rat on December 19, 2010, 06:32:06 PM
Audio is working

http://www.whitworth.edu/Athletics/Teams/BasketballMen/Index.aspx (http://www.whitworth.edu/Athletics/Teams/BasketballMen/Index.aspx)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: (509)Rat on December 19, 2010, 06:38:00 PM
Sounds like CMS turned off the air conditioning for the game
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 19, 2010, 06:41:43 PM
Quote from: DIIIghetto on December 15, 2010, 02:41:49 PM
Hey, SCIAC is the lead story!  Loving it.

With the SCIAC nowhere to be found in the Top 50 of DIII this year, we all probably should accept that this is the year of the Beavers at CalTech.  Their coach was part of the turnaround at MIT, lifting that program up from the DIII baskeball ghetto where we all reside and into a consistent national power.  CMS & Pomona, take note: being an academic powerhouse does not confine you to the basketball underworld.

I am not sure CalTech can have that success but who is to say they can't.  Eslinger is a guy with vision. 

CalTech will not only win a SCIAC game this year, but they will win more than 1 game.  It will be a great story. 

My other predictions.  I agree that Redlands and Cal Lu look like favorites, with Oxy close behind.  BUT, I go with a different order because each of those teams has holes and nobody is better at exploiting those holes than Scali & Kats.   Oxy is just too young and that means that they won't bring their best game every night.  They will drop 2 to CMS and split with a bunch of other teams.  Same probably with Redlands and Cal Lu.   

Winner: CMS
PP
Redlands
Oxy
CalLu
Whittier
LV
CT

In a country as large as China, there are surely 3-5 really smart, tall basketball players who can compete at the D-3 level each year.

They might be natural "fits" for Cal Tech.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hugenerd on December 19, 2010, 08:10:13 PM
And the dream streak ends at 3... Caltech falls 79-55 to Pacific Lutheran.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CMSfan on December 20, 2010, 12:40:52 AM
Whitworth 79, Stags 64

Box Score:
http://www.cmsathletics.org/sports/mbkb/2010-11/files/WHTW-CMS.HTM (http://www.cmsathletics.org/sports/mbkb/2010-11/files/WHTW-CMS.HTM)

First game I've seen in person this year.  CMS stuck with Whitworth throughout the first half, entering the break down just four thanks to good shooting and rebounding.  The Stags evened the score early in the second half, but Whitworth pulled ahead  as the Stags' shooting went cold and the team's inexperience showed with several turnovers and lapses on the boards.  While I was encouraged by the Stags play overall, I don't think CMS ever made Whitworth uncomfortable during the game, and that doesn't bode well for a team that usually prides itself on suffocating defense.

As expected, CMS without Blees is a very different team.  I was impressed with the play of newcomers Pinson, Gaffaney, and Mivshek.  Pinson seems like a solid point guard and plays with a lot of confidence.  Gaffaney reminds me a lot of Joey Anderson with his athleticism, defense, and nose for rebounds.  He can also shoot a little.  Mivshek had a huge first half, shooting 5-5 from the floor and putting up 16 points to lead all scorers.  Whitworth clamped down on him in the second half, but he still led all Stags scorers with 19.

I'm hopeful for the future...whether that ends up being this season or next season remains to be seen..  The big question is how quickly these young guys can develop.  Whitworth played a much more mature game than the Stags today, and it really showed in the second half.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: (509)Rat on December 20, 2010, 01:27:03 PM
Kudos to the CMS kids. Whitworth was the better team, we knew that going in and we still know it now. But they were a scrappy bunch that really kept themselves in the game with some impressive rebounding.

I was surprised it was as close as it was for as long as it was without Blees. Don't know much about the rest of the SCIAC but I would think that CMS stands a good chance at winning the league.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etule on December 20, 2010, 07:42:44 PM
Took in the Cal Lu game and stayed for the first half of the Cal Tech game. If SCIAC teams don't come in ready to play and have an off day Cal Tech may beat a few of them this year. They play smart and very hard! They are just not deep.  They have some good shooters and get a good share of their points inside.
They are a good team! They surprised me and I think Santa Cruz!
Cal Lu has some really good players they just need to knock down some shots to open up the middle. Good team!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on December 23, 2010, 03:56:55 AM
Chapman record goes to 10-1 with a win over Whittier. Chapman is now 7-0 vs SCIAC teams this season.  I am sure not too many teams are looking forward to Chapman joining the SCIAC IF they are voted in.

http://www.chapmanathletics.com/sports/mbkb/2010-11/releases/1221
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etule on December 23, 2010, 12:50:39 PM
Chapman looks good but why does their schedule have them playing the same teams twice? It makes it a little fuzzy on exactly how good they are.

SCIAC is down this year overall! I would like to see them play teams out of SCIAC in pre season. Maybe more NW Conference teams! They have been good the last couple of years for sure!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on December 23, 2010, 02:38:19 PM
etule,

Chapman schedules the games where they can get them. Some of the teams require a home and home contract. They play whatever SCIAC teams will play them twice whenever they can. Oxy isn't on the schedule, and for some reason did not schedule Cal Tech this year. I hope they aren't trying to avoid them, because of their 3 wins.

From what I can see, all of the SCIAC preseason (actually pre-conference) games are against non-conference opponents, unless a tournament is involved.

HAPPY HOLIDAYS TO ALL POSTERS. May you and yours have a happy and healthy new year!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Fan O SCIAC on December 27, 2010, 02:22:37 AM
Does anyone have any idea why Hanley is not playing for Oxy?  Is he injured?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Titan Q on December 27, 2010, 07:53:50 AM
SCIAC fans, I am heading out your way tomorrow to watch Illinois Wesleyan play in the Cal Lutheran tournament Dec 29-30.  Travel question for you...

I get to LAX at 3:30pm tomorrow (12/28).  I hop in a rental car and start heading to Ventura, where the team is staying:

http://www.marriott.com/hotels/travel/oxrvb-ventura-beach-marriott/

I know how brutal traffic will probably be at that time of day.  Any suggestions for my driving route from LAX up to Ventura?  I've done the Mapquest thing, but just wanted to get a little "local knowledge."

Thanks for your help!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on December 27, 2010, 04:41:20 PM
If we told you, it would no longer be "local knowledge".  ;) Good luck.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on December 27, 2010, 04:53:08 PM
Titan Q,

An early welcome to Southern California. At least today that is. More rain forecasted for Wednesday.

If I were you I would just hop on the 405 Fwy North and it will eventually join the 101 Fwy North toward Ventura. Although LA traffic is always bad, maybe with the holidays and all, you will catch a break.

Good luck!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cmsme on December 29, 2010, 10:28:40 PM
CMS fans :'(
Does anyone else get frustrated trying to follow the CMS games?  The schedule will say AUDIO and LIVE STATS, so I get all set up to follow the game--and invariably somthing does not work.  E.G. Chapman game tonight--no audio and no live stats. 
My daughter is down visiting her brother, so I know the score is 12-14, but she is not really into updating me so it is not very satisfying. ???
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cmsme on December 29, 2010, 10:52:36 PM
cms chapman game:  my daughter says it is tied at the half (35-35).
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on December 29, 2010, 10:56:38 PM
cmsme,

Please keep us posted if you hear anything. I also tried video and LS, but to no avail. It looks like they tried to set it up as it had CU's logo but the name next to it was Pomona...  with a final score of 57-53.

It is a shame, as it should be a good game.

I just saw your post.... plus K for you!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CMSfan on December 30, 2010, 01:40:22 AM
Chapman 69, Stags 65

Box Score: http://www.cmsathletics.org/sports/mbkb/2010-11/files/CU-CMS.HTM (http://www.cmsathletics.org/sports/mbkb/2010-11/files/CU-CMS.HTM)

Well, I thought the Stags might pull this one out, but Chapman managed to hold on.  Big game from Griffin Ramme, who made several tough shots en route to 24 points.  The game was back and forth the whole time.  My heavy pro-CMS bias makes me think CMS is the better team, but Chapman played well enough to win and has obviously proven themselves by running the table against SCIAC thus far.  They've earned their trip to the playoffs.

A few things to note:



Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldchap on December 30, 2010, 02:34:48 AM
CMS is always tough and tonight was no different. They are tough minded, aggressive, never give up and their defense is really hard to break. They played as good as they could possibly have and frankly the game could have gone either way. Conversely, I have seen the Panthers play much better this season, even against arguably better teams (Azusa Pacific comes to mind, despite the fact that they lost that game) but this could also be due in part to CMS's excellent defense.

Claremont got in foul trouble from the start of the game and finished with three players fouling out. Too much aggressivity, sometimes not well channeled, leading to not-so-smart fouls. That's what did it. That and shooting 44% from the charity stripe. Griffin Ramme also had one of his best games tonight.

Some may argue that it would have been a different game with Blees and Pinson in the Stags lineup. At this point, we can speculate all we want. The fact is, others in the CMS team stepped up big time. I can think of number 22 Patrick Lacey who was a real leader on the court and was really tough to guard tonight. So it's anybody's guess as to whether CMS would have won under different circumstances. At least, it's not obvious to me but of course CMS fans may see it differently.

The refs made bad calls both ways. The alleged controversial call they made at the end of the game didn't change much and that's assuming it was controversial. One could argue that Lin got flattened under the basket trying to rebound the ball. Had it not been called, it may have given CMS the chance to go into overtime, in the best of circumstances.

I briefly spoke with coach Scali at the end of the game and he praised this Chapman team, arguing that it is as good if not better than last year's. Some players like Brandon Lin have really stepped up this year and are making a huge difference.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on December 30, 2010, 04:14:00 AM
Chapman''s record goes to 11-1 with a win over CMS. Chapman is now 8-0 vs SCIAC teams this season with the last scheduled game vs SCIAC team on January 5th with Cal Lu.  Chapman's record vs D3 teams is now 10-0 this season.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on December 30, 2010, 10:47:19 AM
Quote from: CrashDavisD3 on December 30, 2010, 04:14:00 AM
Chapman is now 8-0 vs SCIAC teams this season

Big whoop. So far the SCIAC is 28-40 overall. Only La Verne (5-4) and Oxy (5-3) have winning records. Chapman beat 5-6 Puget Sound and 5-5 Oglethorpe, and has 3-7 George Fox next. As usual, Chapman scheduled no one, went nowhere, played no one, and beat no one. And now that the SCIAC conference season is coming up, the real no one part of Chapman's schedule will begin.

What can Chapman possibly look forward to from playing the weakest ass schedule in all of D-III? Another humiliating beat down from Whitworth.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on December 30, 2010, 11:07:22 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on December 30, 2010, 10:47:19 AM
Quote from: CrashDavisD3 on December 30, 2010, 04:14:00 AM
Chapman is now 8-0 vs SCIAC teams this season

Big whoop. So far the SCIAC is 28-40 overall. Only La Verne (5-4) and Oxy (5-3) have winning records. Chapman beat 5-6 Puget Sound and 5-5 Oglethorpe, and has 3-7 George Fox next. As usual, Chapman scheduled no one, went nowhere, played no one, and beat no one. And now that the SCIAC conference season is coming up, the real no one part of Chapman's schedule will begin.

What can Chapman possibly look forward to from playing the weakest ass schedule in all of D-III? Another humiliating beat down from Whitworth.

OxyBob
Unlike OXY...A DIII Playoff spot  A top 25 ranking ;D
Only the jealous need to use put downs and talk trash when your not happy with your own failure to succeed.  ;D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on December 30, 2010, 12:23:14 PM
Quote from: CrashDavisD3 on December 30, 2010, 11:07:22 AM
jealous

One lousy playoff appearance in school history. Worst schedule in D-III. Adrift, alone, unwanted.

Joke.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hoopsallthetime on December 30, 2010, 03:44:30 PM
Quote from: oldchap on December 30, 2010, 02:34:48 AM
CMS is always tough and tonight was no different. They are tough minded, aggressive, never give up and their defense is really hard to break. They played as good as they could possibly have and frankly the game could have gone either way. Conversely, I have seen the Panthers play much better this season, even against arguably better teams (Azusa Pacific comes to mind, despite the fact that they lost that game) but this could also be due in part to CMS's excellent defense.

Claremont got in foul trouble from the start of the game and finished with three players fouling out. Too much aggressivity, sometimes not well channeled, leading to not-so-smart fouls. That's what did it. That and shooting 44% from the charity stripe. Griffin Ramme also had one of his best games tonight.

Some may argue that it would have been a different game with Blees and Pinson in the Stags lineup. At this point, we can speculate all we want. The fact is, others in the CMS team stepped up big time. I can think of number 22 Patrick Lacey who was a real leader on the court and was really tough to guard tonight. So it's anybody's guess as to whether CMS would have won under different circumstances. At least, it's not obvious to me but of course CMS fans may see it differently.

The refs made bad calls both ways. The alleged controversial call they made at the end of the game didn't change much and that's assuming it was controversial. One could argue that Lin got flattened under the basket trying to rebound the ball. Had it not been called, it may have given CMS the chance to go into overtime, in the best of circumstances.

I briefly spoke with coach Scali at the end of the game and he praised this Chapman team, arguing that it is as good if not better than last year's. Some players like Brandon Lin have really stepped up this year and are making a huge difference.

I was at the game last night, and I am going to be the first to say that Chapman deserves to be a top 25 team. While I was not overly happy with the officiating at times, I believe Chapman has some great players that could take them deep into the tournment. Offensively, they do way to much one on one, which I believe keeps teams in the game.I also see several weakneses, especially on the defensive end that if they can correct, will make them an even deeper team later in the year. As for there dominance over the SCIAC, good for them.  (Who cares) You will always be that other team near Anaheim that plays mediocre teams. The SCIAC is down this year after losing a lot of great players last year, so you should be beating up on us! Let's see how Chapman does next year without Riley and Co. Players come and go...so let's see how you do next year! I wish we could have seen how the game would have been played out if the Stags were playing with a full deck of cards (blees and remy).

I do think that the game could have gone in CMS favor if one particular official was consistent throughout the game. The last 3 minutes of the game should have been decided by the players on the floor and not by the ego of a particular official making bale out calls to rescue bad shots by Chapman! The game was physical throughout the entire game, so you can't start making bale out calls when it get's down to crunch time. Let the kids decide who is going to win or lose, not the whistle!
Give it to Chapman for making there free throws as well. CMS was just UGLY from the charity stripe, and because of that deserved to lose. They played hard like Oldchap said above, but just couldn't finish like good teams should. Having Remy out of the lineup didn't help things either! Good luck to Chapman this year, and represent our area with pride...if anything a win against the Northwest!!!!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldchap on December 31, 2010, 01:44:09 AM
Well, Oxybob. Here we are again. Finally you show up in your usual sour puss form.

I agree with everything you say:

One time appearance in the play off, true. But hundreds of D3 schools would be happy to make that claim.

Weak Strength of Schedule as usual, true. But Chapman is 11-1 today, has a perfect record against the SCIAC and all the D3 schools they played and would have wipped Oxy's butt, had they played them this year, with one hand tied behind their back.

Got killed by Whitworth in the playoffs last year, true. But it's Chapman who made the trip up North, not Oxy or CMS (Coach Scali was so sure he would beat Chapman in the first round, he had already booked the hotel in Spokane). And this year, Chapman has something to prove. They want to avenge last year's loss.

Fact of the matter is, Chapman has made the Top 25 two years in a row, has been to the round of 32 in the playoff last year and has a near perfect record against all SCIAC teams three years running. Except for injury or a serious accident, they will make the playoffs again this year. They aren't anywhere near the top 10 best teams in D3, I'll give you that, but there are more than 400 teams out there and Chapman is perfectly content to be the best D3 team in California and within the top 5% in D3, something that no team in the SCIAC has done for several years now. The other 95% (which includes your beloved Tigers) would be delighted to make that claim.

And you forget the people aspect too. Ramme and Riley are the hardest working student athletes I know, and some of the most intelligent too. They are proud of what they have accomplished and both will go down in Chapman's basketball history with flying colors. They will for sure be missed next year.

Joke's on you, Oxybob. Your sarcasms aren't gonna take down their spirit.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on December 31, 2010, 07:33:03 AM
Thanks Old Chap for making an excellent point...
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on December 31, 2010, 07:41:52 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on December 30, 2010, 12:23:14 PM
Quote from: CrashDavisD3 on December 30, 2010, 11:07:22 AM
jealous

One lousy playoff appearance in school history. Worst schedule in D-III. Adrift, alone, unwanted.

Joke.

OxyBob
Unlike OxyBob views of Chapman, I wish all SCIAC teams success in 2011. I even would love to see Oxy win the SCIAC in 2011 and it would be nice for them to face Chapman in the playoffs if Chapman gets a bid. I really look forward for Chapman getting voted in the SCIAC in April 2011 so Chapman gets a opportunity to play all SCIAC teams in all sports in the future.

Oxy is a great school with great traditions with great student - athletes and very nice campus. I also love OxyBob's passion that he has.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hoopsallthetime on December 31, 2010, 11:16:52 AM
Quote from: CrashDavisD3 on December 31, 2010, 07:41:52 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on December 30, 2010, 12:23:14 PM
Quote from: CrashDavisD3 on December 30, 2010, 11:07:22 AM
jealous

One lousy playoff appearance in school history. Worst schedule in D-III. Adrift, alone, unwanted.

Joke.

OxyBob
Unlike OxyBob views of Chapman, I wish all SCIAC teams success in 2011. I even would love to see Oxy win the SCIAC in 2011 and it would be nice for them to face Chapman in the playoffs if Chapman gets a bid. I really look forward for Chapman getting voted in the SCIAC in April 2011 so Chapman gets a opportunity to play all SCIAC teams in all sports in the future.

Oxy is a great school with great traditions with great student - athletes and very nice campus. I also love OxyBob's passion that he has.

Wow..I almost feel the love on the last post! I think you and OXYBOB should hug it out and swap old stories together. Bob are you up for sitting around a fire next to your best friends from Chapman and explaining to them why they WON'T be invited into the SCIAC next year! I think that would be a great new years party! Who's with me?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: elfinley on December 31, 2010, 01:46:53 PM
Hey, I'm a Chapman alum, and a big supporter of CU athletics. But lets face it: Chapman WILL NOT get into the SCIAC EVER!

Chapman has applied since the move to D3 and the SCIAC have been denied, there is no reason to think they would change their minds now.

Chapman would need 6 of the 8 teams to vote them in and I have heard from friends within the conference the CMS, OXY, and Pomona will vote no, and there maybe another school on the fence. Why? That is a question for those schools to answer... Hopefully in the future when the question of scheduling comes up, they are directed to the schools that would not let Chapman be apart of the SCIAC. It would be nice to hear legitmate reasons as to why CU in the SCIAC would be bad rather than hateful banter.

As for the game Wednesday night, it was a fun game to watch as both teams battled from the tip. CMSStag is correct, there was a referee that was awful for both teams and made some really bad calls throughout the night. There is still the issue of 2 points that Chapman may have been screwed out of that is still in question. Regardless, it was a great game and i would be shocked if CMS didn't win the SCIAC this year. Clearly they are an odds on favorite.

People, let's be good to each other on here. There may be conference(SCIAC) with a team on the outside looking in(Chapman), but we are all socal D3 basketball and anyone's success out here is good for all of us. Your opinions are yours and that is cool, but lets all go on other sections of these boards and defend and support what we all obviously love: Southern California Division 3 Basketball

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on December 31, 2010, 03:02:36 PM
Quote from: elfinley on December 31, 2010, 01:46:53 PM
Chapman would need 6 of the 8 teams to vote them in and I have heard from friends within the conference the CMS, OXY, and Pomona will vote no, and there maybe another school on the fence. Why?
CalTech will approve them?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gromek on December 31, 2010, 04:31:24 PM
OLD  chap

You took a cheap shot at Claremont,  the Chapman, Claremont game played at Chapmen was played on
March 4 2010.  The next scheduled NCAA game was to played at Whitworth on March 6.   Not to have plane
and room reservations planned ahead would be thoughtless.   Think before taking cheap shots. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldchap on December 31, 2010, 05:55:39 PM
Quote from: Gromek on December 31, 2010, 04:31:24 PM
OLD  chap

You took a cheap shot at Claremont,  the Chapman, Claremont game played at Chapmen was played on
March 4 2010.  The next scheduled NCAA game was to played at Whitworth on March 6.   Not to have plane
and room reservations planned ahead would be thoughtless.   Think before taking cheap shots. 

You are right and I apologize. I got carried away in my excitement to defend the colors of my school. Besides, I have nothing but the utmost respect for coach Scalmanini who knows how to motivate his players and always seems to make the absolute best of what he has to work with. His record speaks for itself. And off the court, he is a true gentleman.

In the spirit of peace and good humor, I would like to wish all of my friends in the SCIAC, including Oxybob (what would I do without you, come basketball season...) and the Chapman family a Happy New Year! May 2011 bring to you and your family good health, happiness and prosperity.

Cheers!!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on January 01, 2011, 11:56:58 AM
Oxy basketball drew 14,200 fans yesterday at San Diego State. 

Hint to UCLA:  You will need a team with a good draw when you open the remodeled Pauley Pavilion in the 2012-2013 season. :P
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gromek on January 01, 2011, 12:15:57 PM
Old chap

Thanks for the classy reply.  Best to you and your team this new year.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 01, 2011, 12:33:55 PM
I realize how hard it is for Chapman to fill its schedule as an independent, but Pool B is looking very good for Chapman in every sport in which it competes.  The rest of the competition from Pool B is average to weak, for the most part.  (I think that Chapman may knock out Maryville for a Pool B in men's basketball.)

The only sports where Pool B might be a challenge for Chapman might be baseball, M&W soccer and men's and women's golf.  If Chapman can go undefeated in football (when they get that good), then they will compete for the Pool B bid in that sport.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cmsme on January 02, 2011, 01:54:01 PM
Does anyone know if the CMS vs Wisconsin Lutheran game will have live stats, or anything?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cmsme on January 02, 2011, 02:03:11 PM
ps--my prediction for today's game is that CMS will win.  And they will win the next 5 games (agt least).  I think they took a big hit when Chris Blees got hurt, and they have forgotten what it feels like to win.  They just need to get on a roll.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hugenerd on January 02, 2011, 11:08:50 PM
A winnable game for Caltech tomorrow, against a 2-win Wisconsin Lutheran team.

The win would give Caltech as many wins this season as the last 7 seasons combined.  Also, the win would give Coach Eslinger more wins in 2.5 seasons than the previous coach, Roy Dow, had in 6 seasons as head coach.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CLUkingsmen12 on January 03, 2011, 01:19:39 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on January 02, 2011, 11:08:50 PM
A winnable game for Caltech tomorrow, against a 2-win Wisconsin Lutheran team.

The win would give Caltech as many wins this season as the last 7 seasons combined.  Also, the win would give Coach Eslinger more wins in 2.5 seasons than the previous coach, Roy Dow, had in 6 seasons as head coach.

Very true... but isn't he doing it with Roy Dow's recruites?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on January 03, 2011, 03:18:39 PM
Quote from: CLUkingsmen12 on January 03, 2011, 01:19:39 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on January 02, 2011, 11:08:50 PM
A winnable game for Caltech tomorrow, against a 2-win Wisconsin Lutheran team.

The win would give Caltech as many wins this season as the last 7 seasons combined.  Also, the win would give Coach Eslinger more wins in 2.5 seasons than the previous coach, Roy Dow, had in 6 seasons as head coach.

Very true... but isn't he doing it with Roy Dow's recruites?

The only real player left from the Dow era contributing is Elmquist. He was a good player as a frosh, but has really come into his own under Eslinger. The rest of the contributers are all new guys the Elsinger brought in.

On another note, CMS got back in the W column with a convincing win agains Wisconsin Lutheran. They jumped out to a 24pt halftime lead and cruised from there. They get their final test before SCIAC starts today vs Eastern Conn St.

The Stags won't blow anyone out of the water in conference play, but they have played in alot of close games this year in tough environments, so I think, as usual, they will challenge in all conference games.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hoopsallthetime on January 03, 2011, 05:20:03 PM
Quote from: CLUkingsmen12 on January 03, 2011, 01:19:39 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on January 02, 2011, 11:08:50 PM
A winnable game for Caltech tomorrow, against a 2-win Wisconsin Lutheran team.

The win would give Caltech as many wins this season as the last 7 seasons combined.  Also, the win would give Coach Eslinger more wins in 2.5 seasons than the previous coach, Roy Dow, had in 6 seasons as head coach.

Very true... but isn't he doing it with Roy Dow's recruites?

The difference between Roy Dow and Cal Tech's Coach Eslinger is that he actually gives a you know what! He actually tries to improve his program, and goes out and recruits and scouts his butt off. I have been to a couple of Stag games this year, and every game I see Coach Eslinger there. He bleeds basketball, and I promise you that if any SCIAC jobs come open...that someone will be calling him!
Keep working hard Coach Eslinger!!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cmsme on January 03, 2011, 08:13:20 PM
During the audio of the cms eastern conneticut game, there was a terrible, terrible 20 minute silence after the announcer said that a Claremont player had been injured.  Then the guy comes back on and says it is not life threatening--THANK GOD.  But Grayson Blue is being taken to the hospital by ambulance with a leg injury.  I think i am going to go be sick. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CMSfan on January 04, 2011, 02:47:37 AM
CMS 73, ECSU 57
Box Score: http://www.cmsathletics.org/sports/mbkb/2010-11/files/ECS-CMS.HTM (http://www.cmsathletics.org/sports/mbkb/2010-11/files/ECS-CMS.HTM)

A nice CMS win, but it was hard to feel good about it after what happened to Greyson Blue.  He was playing a solid game and showing some nice aggressiveness down low.  I'm not sure exactly how the leg injury happened...it looked like he came down on somebody's foot or something.  What resulted was just plain awful.  I don't know the extent of the injury, but based on the snapping sound, the amount of pain he was in, and the way his leg looked, it was pretty serious.  So sad.  Greyson's a really great young man.  Let's all hope his pain isn't too bad and he heals as quickly as possible.

As for the game, it was nice to see CMS bounce back from Greyson's injury.  The long delay and the silence in the gym could have sucked some of the energy out of the team, but they handled it well.  Patrick Lacey had another good night.  He has really stepped up as a leader this year.  Without Blue, he's about all the Stags have in the post.  When he was out of the game after Greyson's injury, Scali went with a small lineup out of necessity.  It'll be interesting to see what he does once SCIAC starts.

It's been a tough year here in Claremont.  Hopefully CMS can stay injury free the rest of the way and find a way to pull out another SCIAC championship!

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hoopsallthetime on January 04, 2011, 11:43:47 AM
Grayson broke his Fibula and Tibula straight through. I was not there, but have talked to the coaching staff and they have informed me that he is in surgery this morning, where they are going to insert a rod into his leg. The doctors and trainers "say" he may be jumping around in six months or so. Grayson is very lucky that is was a good break, and bones were not shattered. We wish Grayson a healthy recovery, and want him to know the Stag family is behind him and thinking of him.

As for the game, good job Stags for keeping your minds on the game at hand even though we know your thoughts were with Grayson. Lacey has become a great leader on and off the floor,and they will need him even more starting this Saturday against OXY in the SCIAC season opener! Good luck guys!!!!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cawcdad on January 04, 2011, 01:29:45 PM
That's horrible. Here's praying for full recovery and and an injury free rest of the season for all SCIAC players.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 04, 2011, 06:42:41 PM
Eyewitness report from Eagle Rock:

Wisconsin-Whitewater 63, Oxy 60

Finally got to see Oxy for the first time this season. Oxy led by as much as 5 in the first half, and led 34-30 at halftime. Whitewater had a terrible shooting half on only 11-for-41. The Warhawks also had 19 first half offensive rebounds to only 3 for the Tigers, but WW couldn't get anything to drop. In the second half, Whitewater made some adjustments, and their two stars Antone Byrd and Chris Davis took over. Oxy really hurt itself by going the first 7 minutes of the second half without scoring. Oxy was down 63-58 when Jack Hanley was fouled with 0.7 secs left. He made both FTs. Whitewater inbounded the ball and inexplicably threw it towards midcourt. Deshun McCoy intercepted the ball and launched a half court shot which hit the backboard.

For Oxy, Hanley scored 21 and McCoy had 18. Jake Copithorne had 12 rebs. For Whitewater, Davis had 28 points and 11 rebs, and Byrd scored 14.

Oxy is 6-5, Whitewater is 9-4.

Sorry to read about Greyson Blue's injury. I hope he recovers soon.

Oxy vs. CMS this Saturday in the Temple of Doom, plus CLU @ Redlands, Pomona @ Caltech, and Whittier @ La Verne.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hugenerd on January 04, 2011, 08:57:12 PM
Agree with everything everyone said about Coach Eslinger, I know him personally from his time at MIT and even coached with him a year, and he truly loves the game and is passionate about coaching.  The guy has devoted his life to basketball.  He has a PhD in sports pychology, with his thesis on the mental imagery ability of highly succesful versus less successful collegiate basketball players, so he knows better than anyone the mental aspect of the game.  He also knows the formula for recruiting and coaching at place like Caltech from his experience at MIT.  Also, as a previous poster said, Caltech is playing all freshman and sophomores (who are Eslinger's recruits), except for Elmquist.  If he is doing this with underclassmen, imagine what he can do with four of his own recruiting classes!  (Look at the roster, http://gocaltech.com/sports/mbkb/2010-11/roster, 1 senior, Elmquist, and 1 junior who doesnt play a whole lot, all the rest are freshman and sophomores).

In related news, Caltech picked up another DIII win last night, over Wisconsin Lutheran.  The game was close in the first and early second, but the Beavers pulled away late for a comfortable 15 point win.  Caltech was led by Edwards (sophomore) with 26 points and Cramer (freshman) with 19 points and 7 assists.

http://gocaltech.com/sports/mbkb/2010-11/files/cit-wlc.htm

As I said in an earlier post, the win is Caltech's 4th, improving to 4-7 (winning 4 of their last 6), with some momentum going into conference play.  I really think they can pick up some conference wins this season.  Who knows? Maybe they can push double-digit wins.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hugenerd on January 04, 2011, 09:09:17 PM
What do people think of Caltech's chances against PP on Saturday?  They have two common opponents, with both beating American Sports University (PP won by 20, Caltech won by 7) and PP losing to UCSC (by 2), while Caltech split with them (losing on the road by 15 and winning at home by 1).  The game on Saturday is at Caltech also.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DIIIghetto on January 04, 2011, 10:17:31 PM
hugenerd, I wish the Beavers could do it Saturday, but it is Kats.  The Beavers will get wins in the SCIAC, but this one against Kats will be difficult.  Kats has scouted that team so many times this year that someone asked him if he moved his family over the summer to Pasadena!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: breakfromcoaching on January 04, 2011, 11:18:12 PM
Kat will not be able to pull this one out.  As many times as he scouted Caltech this year, it doesn't change the fact he doesn't have the horses to match up.  Caltech has more depth, especially at guard.  Elmquist will dominate Wright if he guards him if Okpalugo is not in the game.  Expect a ton of energy from a Saturday night home game, opening game of conference. 

Caltech has 4 of their first 5 at home, so don't be suprised if they're no worse than 3-2 after 5 games.

With all freshman and sophomores (with Elmquist the only SR) they will add depth with the next recruiting classes and probably win the SCIAC in the near future.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 04, 2011, 11:43:57 PM
Quote from: breakfromcoaching on January 04, 2011, 11:18:12 PM
With all freshman and sophomores (with Elmquist the only SR) they will add depth with the next recruiting classes and probably win the SCIAC in the near future.

Glad to see you still have your sense of humor, Adam.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: breakfromcoaching on January 05, 2011, 12:35:28 AM
What's your opinion of them and what would you think of they added one or two more impact players in the next year or two?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 05, 2011, 11:09:47 AM
Quote from: cmsstag on January 03, 2011, 05:20:03 PM
The difference between Roy Dow and Cal Tech's Coach Eslinger is that he actually gives a you know what! He actually tries to improve his program, and goes out and recruits and scouts his butt off.

What an ignorant thing to say about Row Dow. You don't know crap.

Quote from: hugenerd on January 04, 2011, 08:57:12 PM
Who knows? Maybe they can push double-digit wins.

I'm not a CIT math wiz, but by my calculations doesn't Caltech have to win one SCIAC game before they win 10?

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: connerfaught on January 05, 2011, 12:04:35 PM
Quote from: breakfromcoaching on January 04, 2011, 11:18:12 PM
Kat will not be able to pull this one out.  As many times as he scouted Caltech this year, it doesn't change the fact he doesn't have the horses to match up.  Caltech has more depth, especially at guard.  Elmquist will dominate Wright if he guards him if Okpalugo is not in the game.  Expect a ton of energy from a Saturday night home game, opening game of conference. 

Caltech has 4 of their first 5 at home, so don't be suprised if they're no worse than 3-2 after 5 games.

With all freshman and sophomores (with Elmquist the only SR) they will add depth with the next recruiting classes and probably win the SCIAC in the near future.

Saying that Edwards will dominate Wright is insanely blasphemous. Edwards only shoots jumpers and is not a difficult cover. Wright has size and strength on him and a beard that will intimidate the crap out of Edwards. Good luck guarding the two beasts down low for PP, Wright and Okpalugo. No one in SCIAC can match up with those guys!!

What are any of your claims based off of breakfromcoaching? I can't wait until Saturday when I read that PP won by 25+.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: breakfromcoaching on January 05, 2011, 12:40:30 PM
Elmquist, not Edwards.

Now that you bring it up though, Edwards will probably drop 20, too.

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hugenerd on January 05, 2011, 01:18:11 PM
Quote from: connerfaught on January 05, 2011, 12:04:35 PM
Quote from: breakfromcoaching on January 04, 2011, 11:18:12 PM
Kat will not be able to pull this one out.  As many times as he scouted Caltech this year, it doesn't change the fact he doesn't have the horses to match up.  Caltech has more depth, especially at guard.  Elmquist will dominate Wright if he guards him if Okpalugo is not in the game.  Expect a ton of energy from a Saturday night home game, opening game of conference.  

Caltech has 4 of their first 5 at home, so don't be suprised if they're no worse than 3-2 after 5 games.

With all freshman and sophomores (with Elmquist the only SR) they will add depth with the next recruiting classes and probably win the SCIAC in the near future.

Saying that Edwards will dominate Wright is insanely blasphemous. Edwards only shoots jumpers and is not a difficult cover. Wright has size and strength on him and a beard that will intimidate the crap out of Edwards. Good luck guarding the two beasts down low for PP, Wright and Okpalugo. No one in SCIAC can match up with those guys!!

What are any of your claims based off of breakfromcoaching? I can't wait until Saturday when I read that PP won by 25+.

I dont really want to get in the middle of your heated debate, or name individual players on either squad, but I dont think Caltech gets blown out by 25 at home.  In terms of common opponents, PP and Caltech both beat American Sports University.  The only other common opponent is UCSC, who PP lost to, and Caltech has already beaten them once (they lost to them once also).  Therefore, I would say Caltech should be competitive in this game, although I will not go as far as making claims about any given matchups.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on January 05, 2011, 01:52:47 PM
Kats will have his guys ready to compete and Caltech wont creep up on any SCIAC team this year.

I do think that Caltech will get a win in the SCIAC this year, but it will probably be agains Whittier or La Verne.

Game of the weekend will be Oxy @ CMS.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hoopsallthetime on January 05, 2011, 03:21:27 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 04, 2011, 06:42:41 PM
Oxy vs. CMS this Saturday in the Temple of Doom, plus CLU @ Redlands, Pomona @ Caltech, and Whittier @ La Verne.

My Predictions:

CMS over Oxy by 4
CLU over Redlands by 6
PP over Caltech by 2
Laverne over Whittier by 8
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 05, 2011, 05:08:44 PM
Quote from: stag44 on January 05, 2011, 01:52:47 PM
Kats will have his guys ready to compete and Caltech wont creep up on any SCIAC team this year.

I think it's hilarious that we have someone in here talking smack about Caltech.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on January 05, 2011, 05:10:51 PM
With all the Cal Tech talk, please tell me why Chapman is afraid to schedule them.  It will obviously raise their SOS.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hoopsallthetime on January 05, 2011, 05:26:57 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 05, 2011, 05:08:44 PM
Quote from: stag44 on January 05, 2011, 01:52:47 PM
Kats will have his guys ready to compete and Caltech wont creep up on any SCIAC team this year.

I think it's hilarious that we have someone in here talking smack about Caltech.

OxyBob

Let's wait to talk about how good Caltech is going to do in the SCIAC until they finally win a game in the conference. Until then, we shouldn't really have any smack talk going on. Plus the humiliation of being on that nights sportscenter will probably be enough. You know it will hit the news when and if they finally do win a game in conference...god helps the team that allows that to happen :)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hugenerd on January 05, 2011, 06:17:40 PM
Wow, smited twice for saying Coach Eslinger is doing a good job and Caltech has a chance to win. You guys must really not want them to win!.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: breakfromcoaching on January 05, 2011, 06:42:45 PM
Quote from: cmsstag on January 05, 2011, 05:26:57 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 05, 2011, 05:08:44 PM
Quote from: stag44 on January 05, 2011, 01:52:47 PM
Kats will have his guys ready to compete and Caltech wont creep up on any SCIAC team this year.

I think it's hilarious that we have someone in here talking smack about Caltech.

OxyBob

Let's wait to talk about how good Caltech is going to do in the SCIAC until they finally win a game in the conference. Until then, we shouldn't really have any smack talk going on. Plus the humiliation of being on that nights sportscenter will probably be enough. You know it will hit the news when and if they finally do win a game in conference...god helps the team that allows that to happen :)


Completely agree, BUT...Caltech has guys who CAN play. 

IF they beat a SCIAC team it will be news, but only because of the streak.  Again, if they win it will be because they were the better team that night (or in general if they can actually sweep both league games).

I'm sure no one wants to lose to Caltech or anyone else for that matter.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DIIIghetto on January 05, 2011, 08:00:27 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 05, 2011, 05:08:44 PM
Quote from: stag44 on January 05, 2011, 01:52:47 PM
Kats will have his guys ready to compete and Caltech wont creep up on any SCIAC team this year.

I think it's hilarious that we have someone in here talking smack about Caltech.

OxyBob

That is kind of funny.  But heck, with CMS losing our conference's best player to injury, Cal Tech became the best thing we have to talk about.  Nobody in our conference did squat after that CMS win against Azusa Pacific.  Since I think there are pretty good coaches in the SCIAC from everywhere from Cal Tech to Redlands, I take that poor pre-season performance to mean that nobody had a very successful recruiting year.  Or let me rephrase that for the defenders of current players, no SCIAC school succeeded in bringing in enough immediate impact players to get any quality wins outside of the SCIAC fishbowl in the near term.  For those of us who live outside of the southland, that is unfortunate. 

I for one am pulling in a huge way for Cal Tech to get some more national press this season by starting with one, and then racking up some real SCIAC wins. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: (509)Rat on January 05, 2011, 08:01:31 PM
CalTech could win the SCIAC...they just need to put their brains to good use and change the rest of the SCIAC player's grades so that they are all academically ineligible.

Outside of the WIAC, all of D3 has some major recruiting disadvantages but I feel for CalTech. Definitely at a disadvantage when it comes to recruiting given the limited academic programs, tiny undergrad enrollment and much higher admission standards than the rest of the conference. Bravo to them for winning a few games.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on January 05, 2011, 10:06:40 PM
Quote from: (509)Rat on January 05, 2011, 08:01:31 PM
CalTech could win the SCIAC...they just need to put their brains to good use and change the rest of the SCIAC player's grades so that they are all academically ineligible.
Get the SCIAC to grade on the curve. ;)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hugenerd on January 05, 2011, 10:40:14 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 05, 2011, 11:09:47 AM
Quote from: hugenerd on January 04, 2011, 08:57:12 PM
Who knows? Maybe they can push double-digit wins.

I'm not a CIT math wiz, but by my calculations doesn't Caltech have to win one SCIAC game before they win 10?

OxyBob

OxyBob, why dont you read the comment correctly.  I didnt say 10 conference wins, I said they could pick up some conference wins, which could push 10 total wins.  That doesnt seem that out of the question to me considering they already have 4, and I said pushing, meaning close to 10.  That means 3-5 conference wins (out of 14).  Further, the comment was said after "Who knows?", meaning I didnt say it would definitely happen, just that it wasnt out of the realm of possibility.  Its fine to criticize if justified, but make sure you read the post carefully first if you are going to, or else you come off sounding bitter and ignorant yourself.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etule on January 06, 2011, 12:51:32 PM
I've seen Cal Tech play twice this year. They have five decent players and not much of a bench. Teams that depend on the outside shot could be in danger against Cal Tech if they have an off night. They go inside and outside and play hard. If no injuries they could win a few games in conference this year!
Cal Lu beats Chapman! Can't believe it is so quiet on the board? Cal Lu has good guards and a good big man. Solid team!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 06, 2011, 12:56:10 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on January 02, 2011, 11:08:50 PM
The win would give Caltech as many wins this season as the last 7 seasons combined.  Also, the win would give Coach Eslinger more wins in 2.5 seasons than the previous coach, Roy Dow, had in 6 seasons as head coach.

I've followed Caltech basketball for a long time, and I am happy that Caltech is having success on the court this season, but to compare Row Dow's win total to Doc Eslinger's is completely misleading. But for Row Dow, Doc Eslinger wouldn't be in a position to possibly win a SCIAC game. Roy Dow is the coach who revived Caltech basketball, not Doc Eslinger.

On another note, I noticed that CrashingBoreDavis didn't come running in here this morning to announce that last night Chapman lost to CLU, 58-53. Chapman led 32-21 at 18:35 of the second half, but CLU outscored CU 19-4 to take the lead 40-36, and the Kingsmen never trailed after that. Greg Grimm had 23 for CLU.

CLU (6-5) is at Redlands (3-8) Saturday night in the SCIAC opener.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldchap on January 06, 2011, 02:32:54 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 06, 2011, 12:56:10 PM
On another note, I noticed that CrashingBoreDavis didn't come running in here this morning to announce that last night Chapman lost to CLU, 58-53. Chapman led 32-21 at 18:35 of the second half, but CLU outscored CU 19-4 to take the lead 40-36, and the Kingsmen never trailed after that. Greg Grimm had 23 for CLU.

OxyBob

Congratulations to CLU! With a very strong inside game (#30 Van Klaveren is built like a football player!) and some sharp shooting from the outside (Fisher and Grimm combined for 5-9 3-pt shooting), they pulled the upset and will no doubt be a serious contender in the SCIAC this season. It didn't help that the Panthers shot 38% for the game (1-9 from 3-pt range), missing quite a few shots that they usually make. Yet they pulled within 3 with less than a minute to go, but nothing would fall in last night for Chapman: 3 missed shots under the basket! One of those night... The dreaded "off night" of Independents.

Regardless, I think it is a "good" loss for the Chapman players, who were on a 10-game winning streak and thought that they were God's gift to D3 basketball. It's a wake up call. No doubt they will start playing with a higher sense of urgency, putting teams away when they can, instead of being lackadaisical and letting teams hang around. You could see the writing on the wall in the last few games they played.

Anyway, good luck to all my friends in the SCIAC this season. Perhaps a CLU/Chapman rematch in the first round of the playoffs??  ;)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 06, 2011, 03:43:21 PM
Quote from: oldchap on January 06, 2011, 02:32:54 PM
No doubt they will start playing with a higher sense of urgency

Chapman won't be playing Higher Sense of Urgency University. They'll be playing 1-9 LeTourneau, 3-10 Menlo, 4-11 Southwestern, 2-9 La Sierra, 5-9 UC Santa Cruz, 5-9 West Coast Baptist, other the other assorted cupcakes they like to schedule to pad their record.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 06, 2011, 03:49:21 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 06, 2011, 03:43:21 PM
Quote from: oldchap on January 06, 2011, 02:32:54 PM
No doubt they will start playing with a higher sense of urgency

Chapman won't be playing Higher Sense of Urgency University. They'll be playing 1-9 LeTourneau, 3-10 Menlo, 4-11 Southwestern, 2-9 La Sierra, 5-9 UC Santa Cruz, 5-9 West Coast Baptist, other the other assorted cupcakes they like to schedule to pad their record.

OxyBob

Here we go again with your tired diatribe. :P  Once the SCIAC conference games begin, who exactly CAN Chapman schedule? ::)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on January 06, 2011, 04:11:57 PM
OxyBob,

You didn't list that orange and black cupcake......oh that is right...the Tiger was busy playing
WC Baptist and the other "cupcakes" including ASI, Pacifica, La Sierra and on and on.

Give it a break, I was having fun on this board until your last post. Now I have to participate.

What is the problem? Are your Tigers not worth writing about?

The true games for the SCIAC begin around the first of the year. The meaningful games on the CU schedule end about that same time.

Let me know if you want to see a playoff game this year. If it is at Chapman you can be my guest. If it is at CMS, Cal Lu or PP I will buy your tickets so that at least you can see a playoff game. And, we won't have to sit on the Chapman side of the gym either. I would hate to see your reputation ruined.

I hope that the Cal Lu loss doesn't hurt CU's playoff hopes too much. CU definitely cannot afford another loss this year, with the weak schedule remaining. The SOS will definitely start going down big time.

Big game at Chapman tonight, Oxy vs. CU....oh, it is the women's team. At least the Oxy women's coach isn't afraid!

Good luck to Cal Tech the rest of the year.










Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etule on January 06, 2011, 05:27:02 PM
Oxy also played San Diego, Cal State Fullerton and top ten team San Diego State not to mention Azuza Pacific! No way is Oxy going to get any love in the rankings with that kind of schedule. They must make money doing it but have not seen the dividends yet in the post season! Maybe this year!
Schedule just a little tougher than Chapmans! Not a dig just an observation!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 06, 2011, 05:42:36 PM
Quote from: dahlby on January 06, 2011, 04:11:57 PM
Give it a break, I was having fun on this board until your last post. Now I have to participate.

Sorry, I don't have any more time to talk about Chapman because SCIAC season starts this Saturday. FYI, a conference is a collection of collegiate sports teams, sometimes from a common geographic region, which play competitively against each other. There are long-standing rivalries, and every game is important. It's fun. We like our little conference. Now you go off and play whoever it is that you play. Good luck!

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on January 06, 2011, 06:15:28 PM
OxyBob,

As I review my past posts, they have all mostly related in some manner to SCIAC situations.  And further, it is you that regularly throws the darts out about Chapman. Throw no darts...and no darts will go back at you. I continue to enjoy D3 athletic contests and do enjoy and respect the athletes that participate, as well as fellow posters that I have had the pleasure of speaking with directly and through off-line activities, including you.

As far as your last dart regarding "going off and...", I won't respond, because this is the SCIAC board, naturally. Good luck this year, and I hope you wake up tomorrow in a better mood. :-)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gosox on January 06, 2011, 08:29:05 PM
Dow was a fine coach I am sure, but Eslinger is the one who recruited the current roster with the exception of Elmquist and a couple non-starters....He recruited the current roster and is the reason for their current success.  Dow did a fine job, but this is Eslingers team. 

It may not be a championship team by far, but they are playing good basketball and will get better with the new recruits that are coming in as well.  It would be nice to have the whole SCIAC be competitive, in a perfect world, but we shall see.  It only makes the conference more respectful if all teams are competitive.

Heck, on a side note, Occidental and La Verne both recruited one of Eslingers players....Edwards....I should know, I took the call.

Best of luck to all teams this year!!

Here is hoping for an injury free rest of the year for all teams!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on January 07, 2011, 10:28:20 AM
Congrats to CLU's win over CU..It was good win over a good team...Good luck to CLU with their matches with the basketball powerhouse named OXY....Its great too see how OXY dominates the SCIAC in all sports...

Good luck to the Tigers on a good basketball season. I would love to see OXY win the SCIAC and meet CU in the OC in the playoffs.....

Just a reminder how Oxy faired against CU in other sports
http://www.chapmanathletics.com/sports/fball/2010-11/files/oxy-cu.htm
http://www.chapmanathletics.com/sports/msoc/2010-11/files/cu-oxy.htm
http://www.chapmanathletics.com/sports/mwaterpolo/2010-11/releases/1002
http://www.chapmanathletics.com/sports/bsb/2009-10/stats/oxy-cu2.htm
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D O.C. on January 08, 2011, 01:34:51 AM
Seriously, is it Row Dow or Roy Dow?

I remember OxyBob doing broadcast color at the Chapman gym when the women met in the play-offs.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 08, 2011, 11:22:27 AM
Quote from: D O.C. on January 08, 2011, 01:34:51 AM
Seriously, is it Row Dow or Roy Dow?

Don't be cow, just say it.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hugenerd on January 08, 2011, 10:53:45 PM
CALTECH UP 5 AT HALFTIME!

Now up 5 with 13 to play...
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 08, 2011, 11:32:00 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on January 08, 2011, 10:53:45 PM
CALTECH UP 5 AT HALFTIME!

Now up 5 with 13 to play...

Hugenerd, how are you following the game?  I can't find any links either here or on the Caltech athletics website.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hugenerd on January 08, 2011, 11:44:42 PM
Not following really, just the updates on the score page (either on the Caltech site or on this site).  They usually update 1-2 times a half + halftime.  Final score should be up soon.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hugenerd on January 08, 2011, 11:47:00 PM
Caltech cant hold on...they lose by 6.  Still a pretty darn competitive game.  Where does PP rank in the SCIAC according to those who follow the league more closely?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cmsme on January 09, 2011, 01:15:31 AM
Just watched a very intense cms oxy game.  CMS won 57-50 against a very good Oxy team.  I like how Coach Scali is using all his team.  The scoring was spread out amongst the entire team--no one scored in double digits.  Its looking good for the future.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CMSfan on January 09, 2011, 01:53:47 AM
CMS 57, Oxy 50

Box Score: http://www.cmsathletics.org/sports/mbkb/2010-11/files/OXY-CMS.HTM (http://www.cmsathletics.org/sports/mbkb/2010-11/files/OXY-CMS.HTM)

Nice win for the Stags.  Low scoring first half, with CMS leading 21-19 going into the break.  CMS came out hot in the 2nd half, hitting a few threes and extending the lead to double digits.  Oxy closed the gap at the end, but never got closer than six.

For the Stags, seven players had at least six points, and nobody made it to double digits.  Definitely a well-rounded effort.  Of course, it also highlighted the lack of a go-to scorer.  Had they not shot so well from beyond the arc (9-19 overall, 6-10 in the second half), it would have been a different game.  Joey Anderson came up with a couple timely steals and had a game high 10 rebounds; another great all-around performance from him.

Oxy's players struggled to find their shooting touch.  Hanley and McCoy accounted for more than 60% of their offense, but were a combined 11-29 shooting.  They will be competitive, but I can't say I was very impressed with how they looked tonight.  Of course, I imagine this was not their best effort, and I imagine the game @ Oxy will be a tougher one for CMS.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 09, 2011, 01:56:56 AM
Eyewitness report from Pasadena:

Pomona 47, Caltech 41 Final

I headed out to see Oxy-Claremont, but traffic on the 134 and 210 slowed me to a crawl, so I opted for Pomona-Caltech.

In the first half, Caltech led 25-18 at 4:45, and 29-24 at the half. In the second half, CIT led 38-32 at 9:20, but Pomona outscored the Beavers 10-0 over the next 4:30 and led 42-38 at 4:50. Ryan Elmquist finally scored to make it 42-40, but that's as close at Caltech got. The streak continues; that's 298 straight conference losses.

For Pomona, Greg Wright scored 11 and had 16 rebounds. For Caltech, Mike Edwards had 15, and Elmquist scored 12 and had 9 rebounds.

Pomona is usually one of the most fundamentally sound teams in the SCIAC, but tonight the Sagehens were, to put it kindly, inept. Pomona had a distinct height advantage over CIT, and outrebounded the Beavers 54-39, but the Sagehens shot a miserable 29.5%, missed numerous easy layups and put backs, and clanked a lousy 7-for-19 FTs. Probably the worst performance I have ever seen from a Pomona team. Coach Kat will take the win, but I'm sure he was very unhappy with the way his team played.

As for Caltech, yeah they are better, but they're basically a two-man team with no bench whatsoever. The Beavers are scrappy and hustle, and if an opponent has an off night or takes them lightly and lets them hang around then CIT may finally get a SCIAC win. However, until they do, they're still Caltech.

Pomona is 5-7, 1-0 SCIAC, and is home to Whittier on Wednesday. Caltech is 4-8, 0-1, and is home to Redlands.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gosox on January 09, 2011, 02:39:53 AM
Perhaps there ineptness was due to the fact, the shots were contested.  Caltech lost, simply put.  Neither teams shot well, and Pomona prevailed in the end.  Pomona 29.5% and Caltech 27.1%

However, I guess it is still the same old Oxybob.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on January 09, 2011, 03:53:43 PM
OxyBob,


Your post a couple days ago claiming Roy Dow revived Caltech basketball and Coach Eslinger hasn't done much is inept at best and insulting at worst.  It is true that Elmquist came in under Dow...however, he only played one season under Dow so it's hard to say that his play is a result of his coaching.  (also if my memory serves, he wasn't recruited, he went to Caltech and decided to play ball later....can't credit Dow for that)  Disregarding that point, Caltech starts 4 underclassmen ALL of which were recruited by Eslinger.  Additionally, the entire bench, outside of Ziying Wang (plays minimally) came in under Eslinger.  Furthermore, the team runs Eslinger's system, are competitive in games to the point they took Merchant Marine (a team with pre-season top 25 votes) down to the wire, and are garnering positive press as opposed to press that celebrates losing (eg. quantum hoops). 

I also completely disagree with your view of the game yesterday....saying that this team is "still Caltech" (I'm assuming you mean that they haven't made any progress towards becoming a better team) is downright wrong!  If you watched the teams during the Roy Dow era you would have seen a team that bumbled balls all over the court and couldn't beat a press to save it's life.  When they were pressed last night (happened once) they beat it easily and Edwards hit a three.....Pomona didn't press the rest of the evening.  Caltech turned the ball over ten times last night, fewer than their opposition....still Caltech??  Caltech's defense held a team to under 30% shooting last night....still Caltech??  Caltech ran an offense which resulted in open look after open look (simply couldn't convert them...they're young, that'll change)....still Caltech??  Caltech starts 4 varsity standouts and has others coming off their bench after only two years of recruits.....still Caltech??  All of this while starting 5 players who were either #1 or #2 academically in their high school classes....still Caltech!!

.....One day soon, sir, you will see Oxy players going to work for the players that beat up on them in the SCIAC.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on January 09, 2011, 04:27:39 PM
WoostAr,

I usually give a first post an automatic applause.  I didn't smite you, but you failed the test.
Good  luck in the future.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on January 09, 2011, 06:09:11 PM
"All of this while starting 5 players who were either #1 or #2 academically in their high school classes....still Cal Tech!!"

Great comment! Plus K for you!

Welcome to the boards, always enjoy another "eyewitness report from...."!!!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on January 09, 2011, 07:05:39 PM
I'm very curious about the significance of your posting name, WoostAr.  Care to share? 

I once wore some Wooster gear while visiting Reno, NV, and had strangers waving at me and even stopping to greet me.  It turns out that there's a big Wooster High School there.  Nobody I talked to was aware of any other 'Wooster' in the USA.

I think Roy Dow did a great job at Caltech, and I think Oliver Eslinger is also doing a great job there.  I wish them great success. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on January 09, 2011, 07:37:20 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on January 09, 2011, 07:05:39 PM
I'm very curious about the significance of your posting name, WoostAr.  Care to share? 

I once wore some Wooster gear while visiting Reno, NV, and had strangers waving at me and even stopping to greet me.  It turns out that there's a big Wooster High School there.  Nobody I talked to was aware of any other 'Wooster' in the USA.

I think Roy Dow did a great job at Caltech, and I think Oliver Eslinger is also doing a great job there.  I wish them great success. 

--David....I went to the College of Wooster OH...check out #1 on d3hoops.com top 25!!


Quote from: Gray Fox on January 09, 2011, 04:27:39 PM
WoostAr,

I usually give a first post an automatic applause.  I didn't smite you, but you failed the test.
Good  luck in the future.

--Gray Fox....uhhhh....que?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 09, 2011, 08:56:03 PM
Quote from: WoostAr on January 09, 2011, 03:53:43 PM
If you watched the teams during the Roy Dow era you would have seen a team that bumbled balls all over the court and couldn't beat a press to save it's life. 

I am new to this. I have only been watching SCIAC basketball for the last 35 years. I defer to your greater knowledge.

Quote from: Gray Fox on January 09, 2011, 04:27:39 PM
I didn't smite you, but you failed the test.

I haven't heard this much yapping outside the chihuahua ring at the Westminster Kennel Club Dog Show.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gosox on January 09, 2011, 10:04:37 PM
Keyword: "watching"   
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 10, 2011, 01:14:05 PM
Article from the Whittier Daily News about Pomona-Caltech:

AREA COLLEGE BASKETBALL: Caltech's conference losing streak hits 298 (http://www.whittierdailynews.com/sports/ci_17047481#ixzz1Aeo4EJUf)

And this item from the Inland Valley Daily Bulletin (http://www.dailybulletin.com/ci_17053254):

Quote
SCIAC men's race looks like a tossup

Saturday marked the first full slate of games in the SCIAC and it looks like the competition will be particularly stiff on the men's side after the four games were determined by a total of 20 points.

No teams in the conference have winning records. Cal Lutheran, Occidental and Whittier are all 6-6, but Whittier was the only one of that trio that won its SCIAC opener.

Claremont-Mudd-Scripps (5-6, 1-0) has won the past two regular-season titles but has come back to the pack after losing two-time SCIAC Player of the Year Chris Blees to a knee injury in the second game. Sophomore center Greyson Blue sustained a broken leg in the final nonconference game.

CMS coach Ken Scalmanini and La Verne counterpart Richard Reed both say graduation to top players has led to the parity.

"It's a little down because of that, but we'll probably bounce right back next year," Scalmanini said.

With the conference a little down as a whole, most expect Caltech to snap its 298-game conference losing streak that dates back to 1985 - before any of the Beavers players were even born.

Caltech (4-8, 0-1) will host Redlands (4-8, 1-0) on Wednesday and play at La Verne (5-7, 0-1) on Saturday. Both games tip off at 7:30 p.m.

"We're all rooting for them," Reed said. "But we don't want it to be against us."

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on January 10, 2011, 10:57:05 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 09, 2011, 08:56:03 PM


I am new to this. I have only been watching SCIAC basketball for the last 35 years. I defer to your greater knowledge.



....not sure how much basketball you have seen relates to my statements, though it is impressive that you have followed one conference for so long....I've watched at least half of caltech's home games in each of the last five years and I've played with all of the Caltech players over that span and the improvement in the last two years is startling.....alas, I can't compare them to the players of yesteryear. 

Near as I can tell, you are either disputing that Caltech's turnovers are down or that their ball control hasn't improved or that Caltech can't beat a press??  Stats will prove me right on all these points....turnovers are down an average of 7 turns a contest from last year and they've been below their season average of late suggesting further improvement....also a scoring margin of -30.4 has been reduced to -8.2 because games don't turn into a track meet when opponents press.  This point is further driven home by the number of shots Caltech takes per game compared to their opponent....they are within ten shot attempts  (or fewer) per game of their opponent where as last year there was consistently a 25 shot discrepancy.  (You'll have to research that one to realize I'm right because it's not in a summarized box score).....why is that stat pertinent?....because it proves they aren't turning the ball over to a press before they get into their half court set, but rather getting the ball into a set and getting shots out of that set.

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 11, 2011, 10:08:38 AM
Quote from: WoostAr on January 10, 2011, 10:57:05 PM
I've watched at least half of caltech's home games in each of the last five years

I've attended a few Caltech games myself. I was at Braun when CIT beat Bard to end its 207-game D-III losing streak. I was at Braun when CIT beat NYU Polytechnic, which I think was Doc Eslinger's first win. Heck, I have been at Caltech games when I was practically the only fan in the stands:

http://tech.caltech.edu/archive/01_14_2008.pdf

Quote from: WoostAr on January 10, 2011, 10:57:05 PM
I've played with all of the Caltech players over that span and the improvement in the last two years is startling

I had no idea that they were playing with YOU. No wonder they're better.

Quote all the stats you like. Not impressed. Win a freaking conference game already, then crow away. What Rich Reed said.

OxyBob

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: West Coast Bias on January 11, 2011, 01:02:33 PM
Great to see some Cal Tech posters on this board!  And they seem to know who to go after right from the start!  OxyBob I guess you just can't make any friends in the SCIAC.

Say what you want about OxyBob, but the man knows his hoops.  He has been around the SCIAC for a long time, and has seen our best teams and our worst.  For those of us that can't make it to games, its great to have a somewhat biased but honest take on the games.  I wasn't at the game on Saturday, but when looking for an honest assessment of how much better Cal Tech is it looks like I can either go with OxyBob, an Occidental supporter and SCIAC diehard who decided to spend his Saturday night at a PP Cal Tech game, or what appears to be either a player, coach, or parent of this years Cal Tech squad, seeing with his or her heart.

No doubt that Cal Tech is better this year.  Their win total is evidence of that.  But when OxyBob says "Same old Cal Tech", he is probably referring to the fact that the Beavers were held to 12 points in the 2nd half, and 41 for the game.  Which looks an awful lot like the 47 ppg they scored in SCIAC play last year, and the 46 ppg they scored in 2009.  The only difference between the beavers almost getting a W and getting beat to sleep is PP only scored 47 for the game.  Inept offense?  Great Defense?  I wasn't there, I can't say.  But I do know that when one team has been to the SCIAC championship game 3 straight seasons, and one team hasn't won a conference game in 298 attempts, I would have given the former the benefit of the doubt too. 

And before you get too high and mighty about Cal Tech academics and people working for other people...

2 schools in the conference have had President's of the United States attend.  Cal Tech isn't one of them.

Pomona College acceptance rate - 14%
Claremont Mckenna College acceptance rate - 16%
Cal Tech acceptance rate - 17%

Not even the toughest school to get into in the SCIAC!   :o

Any predictions for this week? 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on January 11, 2011, 01:13:19 PM
WCB,

Excellent points you make.

But, being a marketing guy, I would be interested in knowing how many applications were received in regard to the acceptance percentages you posted.

Good luck to all the SCIAC teams tonight!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on January 11, 2011, 01:34:20 PM
Quote from: dahlby on January 11, 2011, 01:13:19 PM
WCB,
Quote from: West Coast Bias on January 11, 2011, 01:02:33 PM

2 schools in the conference have had President's of the United States attend.  Cal Tech isn't one of them.
Pomona College acceptance rate - 14%
Claremont Mckenna College acceptance rate - 16%
Cal Tech acceptance rate - 17%
Not even the toughest school to get into in the SCIAC!   :o

But Cal Tech still have some of the smartest students in the SCIAC and the country
http://www.mindingthecampus.com/originals/2010/12/why_caltech_is_in_a_class_by_i.html
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etule on January 11, 2011, 02:58:28 PM
I've seen Cal Tech play twice this year! I don't think this is the same old Cal Tech! If you hold a team to 47 points you have a chance to win some games.  They have enough offense but it's their defense that is much better. Defense is about effort and can be brought every night offense is a lot more fickle.
That is the reason they will break thru this year in the SCIAC! ;D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: West Coast Bias on January 11, 2011, 03:05:52 PM
Dahlby,

I just searched each schools admissions profile for the class of 2013 to get those percentages.

Pomona - 6149 applicants
CMC - 4,246
Cal tech - 4,413

Let me make it clear that I know the Cal Tech students are incredibly bright.  I know they are smart, motivated, and hard working.  And their basketball team is improving.  I hope they break the streak.  I was just responding to the asinine "They will work for Cal Tech grads some day" post.  It seems whenever someone brings up Cal Tech basketball it always comes back to the old "their students could never get in to Cal Tech" argument.  The best thing about the SCIAC is ALL the student athletes are just that, student athletes.  They go to class, study hard, and take their education seriously.  I just wanted to knock the Cal Tech crony off his academic high horse.

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 11, 2011, 04:25:28 PM
Quote from: West Coast Bias on January 11, 2011, 01:02:33 PM
I wasn't at the game on Saturday, but when looking for an honest assessment of how much better Cal Tech is it looks like I can either go with OxyBob, an Occidental supporter and SCIAC diehard who decided to spend his Saturday night at a PP Cal Tech game, or what appears to be either a player, coach, or parent of this years Cal Tech squad, seeing with his or her heart.

I read all of the hype on here about Caltech. I went to see for myself, and as with 99% of things in life, reality didn't live up to the hype. Pointing that out bugs some people. Oh, well.

Wednesday's schedule, all games 7:30 p.m.:

Claremont (5-6, 1-0 SCIAC) @ Cal Lutheran (6-6, 0-1)
Redlands (4-8, 1-0) @ Caltech (4-8, 0-1)
Whittier (6-6, 1-0) @ Pomona (5-7, 1-0)
La Verne (5-7, 0-1) @ Oxy (6-6, 0-1)

Claremont has lost 4 straight at CLU. I haven't seen Whittier play yet, but Correspondent AR informed me that Rock Carter has his usual athletic bunch. Pomona better play a lot better against the Poets than the Sagehens did the other night against CIT. Speaking of Caltech, just to infuriate my newfound friends, I'll predict that Redlands will make it 299 straight conference losses. ULV lost a heartbreaker to Whittier, while Oxy needs to find some offensive consistency beyond Jack Hanley and Deshun McCoy.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on January 11, 2011, 04:52:58 PM
Quote from: West Coast Bias on January 11, 2011, 03:05:52 PM
Dahlby,

I just searched each schools admissions profile for the class of 2013 to get those percentages.

Pomona - 6149 applicants
CMC - 4,246
Cal tech - 4,413

Let me make it clear that I know the Cal Tech students are incredibly bright.  I know they are smart, motivated, and hard working.  And their basketball team is improving.  I hope they break the streak.  I was just responding to the asinine "They will work for Cal Tech grads some day" post.  It seems whenever someone brings up Cal Tech basketball it always comes back to the old "their students could never get in to Cal Tech" argument.  The best thing about the SCIAC is ALL the student athletes are just that, student athletes.  They go to class, study hard, and take their education seriously.  I just wanted to knock the Cal Tech crony off his academic high horse.
Pat,
I know you set up a whole politics section.
I suggest you set up a "My school is smarter than your school" section. :D
Then we can stick to basketball, etc.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: John Gleich on January 11, 2011, 05:47:03 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 11, 2011, 10:08:38 AM
I have been at Caltech games when I was the only fan in the stands:

I distinctly see TWO people in the stands, sir...  You fully misrepresented the attendance by HALF, at least!!   :P
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 11, 2011, 06:47:37 PM
Quote from: PointSpecial on January 11, 2011, 05:47:03 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 11, 2011, 10:08:38 AM
I have been at Caltech games when I was the only fan in the stands:
I distinctly see TWO people in the stands, sir...  You fully misrepresented the attendance by HALF, at least!!

Fixed.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SITDuckAlum on January 11, 2011, 06:52:05 PM
Quote from: West Coast Bias on January 11, 2011, 03:05:52 PM

I just searched each schools admissions profile for the class of 2013 to get those percentages.

Pomona - 6149 applicants
CMC - 4,246
Cal tech - 4,413

.......I just wanted to knock the Cal Tech crony off his academic high horse.


Sorry, but you'll have to be more rigorous in your comparison of admission statistics to actually knock anyone off of any horses.  But quite frankly, the universities appeal to different types of students - liberal arts and STEM.  However, one thing you have to be conscious of is that the Caltech players follow the same high admission standards as the rest of the school; they don't make exceptions for great players.

That aside, we're comparing athletes, rather, teams of athletes.  And for that reason, I'm looking forward to attending the Redlands game, as I think these particular ones promise a good match-up.  Redlands with about an inch height advantage and a few more years of experience on average, and Caltech with whats been described as high energy, tough defense, combined with comparable season averages should provide some entertaining SCIAC basketball.  
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hoopsallthetime on January 11, 2011, 07:05:09 PM
What has happened to this board. Now all of a sudden, we have all these Caltech posters who are bringing tons of knowledge and wisdom to the board. This is my opinion and only my opinion...Let's begin the discussion about Caltech when they win a game and not until then. You have to prove yourself before you can actually be taken seriously on this board! Good luck on Wednesday!!!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on January 11, 2011, 07:36:05 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 11, 2011, 06:47:37 PM
Quote from: PointSpecial on January 11, 2011, 05:47:03 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 11, 2011, 10:08:38 AM
I have been at Caltech games when I was the only fan in the stands:
I distinctly see TWO people in the stands, sir...  You fully misrepresented the attendance by HALF, at least!!

Fixed.

OxyBob
Who took the picture? 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on January 11, 2011, 07:39:08 PM
Quote from: cmsstag on January 11, 2011, 07:05:09 PM
What has happened to this board. Now all of a sudden, we have all these Caltech posters who are bringing tons of knowledge and wisdom to the board. This is my opinion and only my opinion...Let's begin the discussion about Caltech when they win a game and not until then. You have to prove yourself before you can actually be taken seriously on this board! Good luck on Wednesday!!!
All the Chapman posters pretending to be SCIAC members have established the precedent on this board. ;)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SITDuckAlum on January 11, 2011, 07:48:24 PM
Caltech poster?  Ha. I'm trying to find out more about them and all the other SCIAC teams, after relocating to the area from the East Coast and DIII athletics out there.

From what I've read though, I do think OxyBob's remarks show some sort of wierd pleasure in watching Caltech lose, rather than hoping for a more competitive conference.  Sounds kind of like a dick to me - hope to see you at the game!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on January 11, 2011, 08:59:29 PM
Quote from: SITDuckAlum on January 11, 2011, 07:48:24 PM
Caltech poster?  Ha. I'm trying to find out more about them and all the other SCIAC teams, after relocating to the area from the East Coast and DIII athletics out there.

From what I've read though, I do think OxyBob's remarks show some sort of wierd pleasure in watching Caltech lose, rather than hoping for a more competitive conference.  Sounds kind of like a dick to me - hope to see you at the game!
SITDuckAlum,
Do you plan to wear a disguise? :-[
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on January 11, 2011, 09:22:28 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on January 11, 2011, 08:59:29 PM
Quote from: SITDuckAlum on January 11, 2011, 07:48:24 PM
Caltech poster?  Ha. I'm trying to find out more about them and all the other SCIAC teams, after relocating to the area from the East Coast and DIII athletics out there.

From what I've read though, I do think OxyBob's remarks show some sort of wierd pleasure in watching Caltech lose, rather than hoping for a more competitive conference.  Sounds kind of like a dick to me - hope to see you at the game!
SITDuckAlum,
Do you plan to wear a disguise? :-[
For SITDUCKALUM

If want to find OXYBOB someday here is his photo.
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Falumni.oxy.edu%2Fs%2F956%2Fimages%2Feditor%2FiModules%2520Tiger.jpg&hash=0394e1eb9190229ff6704745f3f455ea220779d1)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 11, 2011, 10:28:07 PM
Quote from: SITDuckAlum on January 11, 2011, 07:48:24 PM
Caltech poster?  Ha. I'm trying to find out more about them and all the other SCIAC teams, after relocating to the area from the East Coast and DIII athletics out there.

Aw, gone so soon, Trevor W. Currie? Gee, thanks for stopping by. You certainly added a lot to the discussion.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on January 11, 2011, 10:48:47 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 11, 2011, 10:28:07 PM
Quote from: SITDuckAlum on January 11, 2011, 07:48:24 PM
Caltech poster?  Ha. I'm trying to find out more about them and all the other SCIAC teams, after relocating to the area from the East Coast and DIII athletics out there.

Aw, gone so soon, Trevor W. Currie? Gee, thanks for stopping by. You certainly added a lot to the discussion.

OxyBob
http://directory.caltech.edu/cgi-bin/search.cgi?uid=tcurrie

For a while I thought this was a new handle for snoop dawg.  I thought the CalTech guys knew all about computer searches.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 11, 2011, 11:04:44 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on January 11, 2011, 10:48:47 PM
I thought the CalTech guys knew all about computer searches.

Quote from: West Coast Bias on January 11, 2011, 03:05:52 PM
I just wanted to knock the Cal Tech crony off his academic high horse.

And then Trevor goes and does it for you.

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.stevensducks.com%2Fassets%2Fsports%2Fmitrack%2Fthumbs%2F6298.jpg&hash=b2e80d03a28c4ef404377a04f8d966c6613136c6)

Trevor goes from SITDuckAlum to a plain old sitting duck.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on January 11, 2011, 11:27:15 PM
Duck Trevor.
OxyBob is on the loose.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wildcat11 on January 12, 2011, 11:29:37 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 11, 2011, 11:04:44 PM

Trevor goes from SITDuckAlum to a plain old sitting duck.


Classic OxyBob!!!!  +1,000
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on January 12, 2011, 11:40:58 AM
Quote from: SITDuckAlum on January 11, 2011, 07:48:24 PM
Caltech poster?  Ha. I'm trying to find out more about them and all the other SCIAC teams, after relocating to the area from the East Coast and DIII athletics out there.

From what I've read though, I do think OxyBob's remarks show some sort of wierd pleasure in watching Caltech lose, rather than hoping for a more competitive conference.  Sounds kind of like a dick to me - hope to see you at the game!
If it looks like a dick duck and quacks like a dick duck it must be a Dick Duck.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 12, 2011, 01:16:06 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on January 12, 2011, 11:40:58 AM
If it looks like a dick duck and quacks like a dick duck it must be a Dick Duck.

Trevor calling me a dick is of no consequence. I've been called worse (probably on this board). Trevor showed the true strength of his convictions: He rebuckled his Mary Janes, straightened his skirt, deleted his account, and ran from the room like a little girl.

What's troubling to me is that a Caltech grad student was unable to do any basic research to back up his dumb statement, "I do think OxyBob's remarks show some sort of wierd pleasure in watching Caltech lose, rather than hoping for a more competitive conference." First, the word is spelled weird. Second, with a couple of simple mouse clicks he'd have found this post:

http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=4059.msg1144878#msg1144878

or this post:

http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=646.msg1038429#msg1038429

in which I explained my longtime support of and affection for Caltech basketball, but Trevor was probably too busy braiding his pigtails.

I fear for science.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wildcat11 on January 12, 2011, 01:29:54 PM
Bob,

I would expect this sloppiness from a CLU grad but CalTech?  The elite education system just died a little...
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etule on January 12, 2011, 02:06:35 PM
This is becoming comedy central! Very funny and entertaining!Let Cal Tech do it's on the harwood. They are pretty good. 8-)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CMSfan on January 12, 2011, 02:38:16 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 12, 2011, 01:16:06 PMthe word is spelled weird.

I before E, right?  Oh wait, no...the spell checker is showing me that's wrong.  Darn it, I guess my CMC education failed me.  Another indictment of the elite (near-elite?) education system.   ;)

Go Stags!  Win one tonight at Cal Lu for once!!!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldchap on January 12, 2011, 02:57:36 PM
OK. I'll come to Cal Tech's defense. I can't take this anymore. All of you, just ask yourself this simple question: how would you feel if YOUR school had lost 298 conference games in a row? With your love of basketball and school pride, your school is now starting to show some signs of life, wouldn't you want to start bragging a little?? Just throw a little taunt out there?? Just for fun??

All I can say is, I wouldn't want to be the first SCIAC team to lose to CalTech.... and it may happen this year.

You go Caltech!! Show 'em!!

Signed: a fan from another school which doesn't get any respect in this forum.  :D

(now I'm just waiting for the other shoe to drop....)  :P

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on January 12, 2011, 04:15:24 PM
http://viewer.zmags.com/publication/d5ea8b79#/d5ea8b79/1

Good profile on caltech women's player.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etule on January 12, 2011, 04:32:59 PM
I predict that Cal Tech wins a game in the SCIAC this year!Maybe two! Any wager takers!  ;)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hugenerd on January 12, 2011, 11:38:10 PM
Caltech up again in the second half, 41-40, with 15 to play.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: John Gleich on January 12, 2011, 11:43:55 PM
Do you have any live stats or a broadcast link?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hugenerd on January 13, 2011, 12:00:07 AM
Nope, but caltech down 2 with 2 to play.

Now down 1 with 28 seconds to go.

Caltech was down 3 with 6 seconds to play but convert the triple to send it to OT. Could it be the night?

I guess not. Caltech loses by 4 in OT.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cmsme on January 13, 2011, 01:15:01 AM
Wow.  congratulations to caltech--loosing in ot is almost like winning.   :D

cms beat cal lutheran by 11 points--but it was a nail biter up to the very end.  and two more cms players got hurt.  shane davis lost a tooth and alex smith hurt his knee. 
everyone is getting a lot of playing time, and they seem to be developing as a team.  with their late start, maybe they will be peaking at the right time.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on January 13, 2011, 02:59:18 AM
Check out vid link in article below for buzzer beater that sent it to overtime....On top of hitting that shot, cramer was an assist shy of a triple double.

http://gocaltech.com/sports/mbkb/2010-11/releases/20110113b1209v
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on January 13, 2011, 10:21:48 AM
Cool -- a crowded, loud Braun Center.  I've never seen that before.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jack Parkman on January 13, 2011, 10:59:29 AM
Quote from: David Collinge on January 13, 2011, 10:21:48 AM
Cool -- a crowded, loud Braun Center.  I've never seen that before.

Were those Beaver groupies in the sports-bra's?  Pretty soon those Cal Tech guys will be seen driving around town in a new Benz.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DIIIFan15 on January 13, 2011, 04:35:02 PM
In response to cmsme's nail biter for the Stags against the Kingsmen:

I wouldn't say it was a nail biter all the way. CMS led by 17 at halftime and CLU chipped away at the lead cutting it to four points. However it did get dicey down the stretch.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cmsme on January 13, 2011, 07:32:59 PM
Its true.  I am a pessimist.  And I think all the games played so far in the SCIAC could have gone either way.  It is going to be an exciting year; I just hope cms wins.

Basketball question if anyone knows about the psychology of these point runs where, for a short time, one team makes a bunch of points and the other team doesn't. 
Are there any common characteristics?  what causes them to start and end?  how many runs per game?  what kind of teams have runs?  Do the successful teams have runs, or are they more consistent scorers?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on January 14, 2011, 10:14:51 AM
I was able to watch a little of the CMS - CLU game yesterday night. Great to see the Stags come out fast and furious in the 1st half and jump on the Kingsmen 38-21. In seemingly typical fashion of Stag teams in the past, CLU mounted a furious rally in the 2nd half, keeping the game in single digits for much of the second half, but timely shots by various stags kept them at arms distance.

This Stags team has been incredibly resilient this year. Even without Blees and Blue, they have responded well after a 6 game losing streak. They have more or less reinvented the offensive and defensive schemes to the more traditional old school Stag Motion and tough man-to-man defense.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 14, 2011, 01:48:40 PM
Saturday's schedule, all games 7:00 p.m.:

Redlands (5-8, 2-0 SCIAC) @ Oxy (6-7, 0-2)
Cal Lutheran (6-7, 0-2) @ Pomona (6-7, 2-0)
Claremont (6-6, 2-0) @ Whittier (6-7, 1-1)
Caltech (4-9, 0-2) @ La Verne (6-7, 1-1)

Big home game for Oxy. On Wednesday the Tigers rallied against La Verne, but Jack Hanley's 3-point try at the buzzer missed and Oxy lost 52-49. Lousy free throw shooting (9-for-21) killed Oxy, though La Verne wasn't much better (12-for-24). CLU also doesn't want to go 0-3, but the Kingsmen have a tough road game at Pomona. Claremont should beat Whittier, but it's no cakewalk playing the Poets in the GAC. La Verne is coming off a good road win at Oxy. The Leopards have plenty of firepower with Trevor Woodland and Alex Wolpe, and will hand Caltech its 300th straight conference loss.

Claremont has the best record in the league at 6-6. Yikes.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cmsme on January 15, 2011, 11:55:15 PM
The live stats for the Whittier CMS game stopped with 6 minutes left and CMS up 66-58.  Hopefully it is just technical difficulties and not someone hurt again.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CMSfan on January 16, 2011, 01:04:18 AM
Stags win!  Improve to 3-0 in SCIAC.  Report from Whittier's website: http://www.wcpoets.com/sports/mbkb/2010-11/releases/20110116s99f4b (http://www.wcpoets.com/sports/mbkb/2010-11/releases/20110116s99f4b)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on January 16, 2011, 11:10:59 AM
Current SCIAC Standings

CMS         3-0
Redlands 3-0
P-P          2-1
ULV         2-1
CLU         1-2
Whittier   1-2
OXY         0-3
Caltech   0-3


Initial Reactions:

The Stags continue to impress by winning @CLU and @Whittier, both tough places to play in conference. It seems like each game, a new Stag steps up to the challenge and contributes in a big way. @Whittier Beaumont Heidrich came up huge with 15 first half points to give the Stags some breathing room, while the second half used a steady does of Lacey, and free throws from Mivshek to seal the game

Redlands is an interesting 3-0 team. I was able to catch a bit of their game vs Oxy yesterday online, and was pleasantly surprised. They seem to play very aggressive and physical on the glass. They are long upfront with Sanvictores and Mills with Dietrich playing 3. From the little tape I saw, they were content with pummeling Oxy inside with either 24 or 55, of an pro-type offense. To get into it, they would use a little high low action with a weak side post duck in, and if there was nothing easy, they would reverse the ball and because Oxy was not fronting the post, they would enter and play of their bigs. The guards to a great job of post entry and moving without the ball. It will be interesting to see how other teams defend the post and how Redlands will respond

Pomona as usual has come out tough in conference even after losing their top 3 players. They have gotten increased production from Greg Wright and Donald Okpalugo, and spark from freshman Xavyr Moss. Moss seems to have taken over the reins from Liss as their lead guard scorer and creater and has been playing very well and taking a good amount of shots from 3 and getting to the lane and creating. I havent gotten to see them, but im sure they are still running their 2-3 sagging type zone, a 2-2-1 soft press, and an offense predicated on spacing, 3-point shots.

ULV looks to be the surprise team at 2-1. They beat OXY and Caltech, while losing to Whittier @home. Again this year their team looks to be Trevor Woodland on the perimeter and the physical Napolitano and Wolpe down low. They have the difficult part of their schedule upcoming though with PP, CMS, Redlands and CLU to come.

This CLU start seems awful similar to the last couple of years where they have come out flat only to charge into the 2nd half of conference and sneak into the tourney. Obviously this year they dont have Kyle or Andy, but still have Grimm, Fisher and Van Klaveren as well as Nettles and Walton. They have also played PP, CMS and @Redlands, so their load eases up for the first half.

Whittier as usual has the most talent and seems to be in most games, but cant pull out the win. I'm sure they will cause a stir down the stretch with an upset or two and shake up the standings, and who knows they may challenge for that 4th spot.

Oxy has been the biggest surprise this year. 0-3 with losses at home to La Verne and Redlands. It's very difficult to be competitive in conference if you lose 1 time at home let alone twice. Versus Redlands, once Montoya went down, it seemed like Oxy was in dissarray offensively and defensively. They were shooting early and contested jumpshots and also getting beaten back in transition D by Redlands bigs, and then defensively it seemed like they were content playing behind the Redlands bigs who had 25 of the 59 pts. I'm sure Newhall will rally his troops and get them competitive, but they are struggling right now at 0-3/

Caltech has been competitive in all 3 games. While its latest game vs ULV was alot worse than final score, they continue to show they are no long an afterthough of a game. In the past, teams looked at it almost as a game to regather, test out new things in conference and it wouldn't be uncommon to see an assistant coach at another SCIAC game scouting. But now, you need to be all hands on deck especially if playing at Braun, where officials are friendly, rims are tight and now looking at the video fans are loud. I'm excited to see them get a SCIAC win, but just not against CMS.

These are just my thoughts of the first bit of conference.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 16, 2011, 12:24:31 PM
Quote from: stag44 on January 16, 2011, 11:10:59 AM
Versus Redlands, once Montoya went down, it seemed like Oxy was in dissarray offensively and defensively. They were shooting early and contested jumpshots and also getting beaten back in transition D by Redlands bigs, and then defensively it seemed like they were content playing behind the Redlands bigs who had 25 of the 59 pts.

3-pointers: Redlands 6-for-16, Oxy 0-for-11.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on January 16, 2011, 12:42:18 PM
Quote from: stag44 on January 16, 2011, 11:10:59 AM
Current SCIAC Standings

CMS         3-0
Redlands 3-0
P-P          2-1
ULV         2-1
CLU         1-2
Whittier   1-2
OXY         0-3  :(
Caltech   0-3  :'(

Oxy has been the biggest surprise this year. 0-3 with losses at home

Caltech has been competitive in all 3 games.

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etule on January 17, 2011, 05:24:34 PM
Maybe Cal Tech's first SCIAC victory will come at OXY! YIKES
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on January 17, 2011, 06:27:40 PM
Quote from: etule on January 17, 2011, 05:24:34 PM
Maybe Cal Tech's first SCIAC victory will come at OXY! YIKES
If that happens I would be very concerned for OxyBob's health....It could be a very big shock to his system....
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: breakfromcoaching on January 18, 2011, 01:02:56 AM
Quote from: etule on January 17, 2011, 05:24:34 PM
Maybe Cal Tech's first SCIAC victory will come at OXY! YIKES


If Caltech plays like they did against Redlands (or the last half of their game against LaVerne), the streak is over Wednesday night. 

If Paluchniak and Edwards can contiue their hot shooting from downtown (16-31 combined 3's last 2 games) it may give Elmquist the room he needs inside to carry his team to victory.  His scoring average has dipped from 18.3 (through 11 non-conference games) to 11.6 (3 conference games only).  Oh how they could use those extra 7 points... I think Cal Lu will have to pick their poision matching up. 

I say Caltech wins 51-50 and the next Nobel Prize nominee out of the school is Oliver Eslinger,

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 18, 2011, 12:37:53 PM
Quote from: etule on January 17, 2011, 05:24:34 PM
Maybe Cal Tech's first SCIAC victory will come at OXY! YIKES

Oxy better step up its game or you might be right.

Wednesday's schedule, all games 7:30 p.m.:

Cal Lutheran (7-7, 1-2 SCIAC) @ Caltech (4-10, 0-3)
La Verne (7-7, 2-1) @ Redlands (6-8, 3-0)
Pomona (6-8, 2-1) @ Claremont (7-6, 3-0)
Oxy (6-8, 0-3) @ Whittier (6-8, 1-2)

Claremont has been resilient. The Stags lost Chris Blees and Greyson Blue, but CMS is not ready to give up the top spot in the SCIAC just yet. Pomona v. Claremont is always a treat to watch. This one will go to the Stags. Like Claremont, Redlands is sitting pretty at 3-0. La Verne has to make the long trek to Currier. Advantage, Redlands. Oxy has gotten itself into deep doo-doo by losing 2 at home to ULV and UR. Whittier came back on Claremont but lost it down the stretch. The GAC has not been kind to Oxy no matter how good they've been. Advantage, Whittier. CLU will get its 2nd straight road win, and Caltech will get its 301st straight conference loss.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on January 18, 2011, 01:39:04 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 18, 2011, 12:37:53 PM
Pomona (6-8, 2-1) @ Claremont (7-6, 3-0)

Claremont has been resilient. The Stags lost Chris Blees and Greyson Blue, but CMS is not ready to give up the top spot in the SCIAC just yet. Pomona v. Claremont is always a treat to watch. This one will go to the Stags.
OxyBob

Even 3 years out, I still get excited and giddy when during the week of this matchup. As OxyBob said, its a treat of a game, and the traditions continue but with a relatively new cast of characters. Gone are Blees, Toney, Faught, Bagby, and Blue from CMS, as well as Sexton, Liss, Chaimowitz, Kael, and Colin from PP. Thats got to be around 75-80% of the total offense from the 3 games last year. And loads of experience from both sides.

The question remains who will be the ex-factor in that has a game no one expected. In 05-06, Mani Maciera burst onto the scene with his performance in both games supporting Parsons and Taylor and fending off Llyod, Wexler-Barron, Flagg, Knowles, etc. In 06-07 Chaimowitz hit a buzzerbeater infront of his bench to put the game into overtime after a Maciera slip on the always moist Ducey floor during this game. In 07-08, for the SCAIC auto-bid, Faught hit a 3 in front of his fans to send the game into overtime where Winterbottom had a 3 from the top rim out to give PP the bid. Behind all that though, was Mr CMS-PP in my mind or David Brown from PP. He was on no CMS scouts, yet in all 3 games that year he high timely 3 after timely three. And looking at his stats from that year, he averaged something like 3ppg outside the rivalry and 13ppg in the 3 games. In 08-09, CMS finally got the monkey off their back with their first win in 6 attempts, with a big time game from Connor Faught, and then in the playoff got games from Soldner and Gala in their last game at home. in 09-10 Joey Anderson burst onto the scene with his athleticsm and rebounding, while again Connor Faught wrote his 3rd and final chapter on the series with clutch 3s.

The usual suspects from the past 3 years are no longer characters in this game, but the game always has contributions down the bench and will be hard faught.

Expect PP to sag off the Stags. They usually fall into a 2-3 type zone on made shots off a soft 2-2-1 press so the Stags dont have as much time in the front court to execute. Off misses they will play a very soft sagging man to man, daring the Stags to shoot. For the first time in a while, the Stags will have 3 legit shooters on the court with Lacey and Anderson though. They key will be keeping their nerves calm in this game. PP will allow the stags and be happy if they shoot 20+ 3's and keep the ball away from Lacey. Against the zone or man they have to move PP's feet and get Okpalugo and Wright moving and test thier bigs feet vs Anderson. Lacey should screen and keep Okplaugo occupied leaving driving lanes open for Pinson/Davis/Anderson.

Offensively PP has one guard #2 Xavyr Moss and 2 bigs Greg Wright and Donald Okpalugo who seem to do all the heavy lifting for their offense. The Stags should be swarming and physical at home and really feeding off the crowd.

On another note - classes JUST started at CMS and PP today, meaning tomorrow night's game will be EXTREMELY rowdy as the students are excited to be back on campus and have no class/home work to worry about. Ducey should be electric!!! I expect the players to be nervous and giddy and there to be turnovers/airballs and unusual mistakes for the first 3-5 minutes of the game. Once everyone takes a deep breath and realizes its just another game, everyone will settle down and we should see a great matchup.

I'm going with the stags 58-51. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 18, 2011, 02:06:29 PM
Quote from: stag44 on January 18, 2011, 01:39:04 PM
In 08-09, CMS finally got the monkey off their back with their first win in 6 attempts, with a big time game from Connor Faught, and then in the playoff got games from Soldner and Gala in their last game at home.

Austin Soldner I remember. Never heard of Gala.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cmsme on January 18, 2011, 11:38:36 PM
Stag44-thank you for the background on the CMS-PP game.  It got me psyched up--wish I was going.  I just hope the audio and live stats work.   :)
I am going to go with the stags also.  I have been impressed that coach Scali has been flexible/knowledgible enough to continue winning with totally different pieces of the puzzle.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cmsme on January 19, 2011, 10:36:12 PM
The CMS-PP game is starting and there is no Live Stats or Audio.  I feel like banging my head against the wall.   :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cmsme on January 19, 2011, 10:39:26 PM
it is ON. 
Thank you. :o
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CMSfan on January 20, 2011, 02:12:20 AM
Stags 68, P-P 61

http://www.cmsathletics.org/sports/mbkb/2010-11/files/PP-CMS.HTM (http://www.cmsathletics.org/sports/mbkb/2010-11/files/PP-CMS.HTM)

Fun game at Ducey tonight.  The first half was a battle.  Pomona shot well from behind the arc and the Stags put together a couple nice runs, leading to a 28-28 halftime score.  CMS established a lead early in the second half, eventually extending it to double digits with a minute to play.  With the CMS fans already starting the "Walk Home Safely" chant, P-P hit three 3's (including a couple amazing shots from Moss)  to cut the lead to four with about 30 seconds to play.  Fortunately, the Stags shot well from the line and ended up sealing the victory.

With La Verne beating Redlands tonight, CMS sits atop SCIAC at 4-0 with Caltech, La Verne, and Redlands still to go in the first half of the SCIAC season.

A few other points of note:
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 20, 2011, 10:27:06 AM
Quote from: CMSfan on January 20, 2011, 02:12:20 AM
P-P shot a little better from the floor, but CMS out-rebounded them and had a big advantage from the line, going 22-27 compared to 10-16 for Pomona.  Especially nice to see Joey Anderson go 7-8 from the line.

Whittier 76, Oxy 67

Ugly loss for Oxy. The Tigers were up 10-0 after four minutes. The Poets then scored 16 straight and led 16-10 at 13:45, and another 11-1 run made it 27-11. Kris Montoya finally scored to break the spell. Whittier led 35-13 at 7:30 and 47-33 at halftime. In the second half Whittier led by as many as 20, and Oxy never seriously challenged.

Oxy had a big advantage in FTs, 21-for-24 to 6-for-17 for WC, but Oxy was 0-for-13 on 3-pointers, while Whittier was 6-for-18. In its last two games Oxy is 0-for-24 on 3-balls.

Jack Hanley scored 27 and Deshun McCoy had 20 for Oxy. Nathan Easterman scored 15, Paul Davis had 13, and Damon Perry and Ricky Kamayatsu each scored 11 for Whittier.

Trevor Woodland scored 26 in La Verne's 75-63 win at Redlands.

Aaron Fisher scored 28 and had 10 rebounds in CLU's 80-45 rout at Caltech.

Saturday's schedule, all games 7:00 p.m.:

La Verne (8-7, 3-1 SCIAC) @ Cal Lutheran (8-7, 2-2)
Claremont (8-6, 4-0) @ Caltech (4-11, 0-4)
Whittier (7-8, 2-2) @ Redlands (6-9, 3-1)
Pomona (6-9, 2-2) @ Oxy (6-9, 0-4)

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on January 20, 2011, 11:55:57 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 20, 2011, 10:27:06 AM
Quote from: CMSfan on January 20, 2011, 02:12:20 AM
P-P shot a little better from the floor, but CMS out-rebounded them and had a big advantage from the line, going 22-27 compared to 10-16 for Pomona.  Especially nice to see Joey Anderson go 7-8 from the line.

Whittier 76, Oxy 67

Ugly loss for Oxy. The Tigers were up 10-0 after four minutes. The Poets then scored 16 straight and led 16-10 at 13:45, and another 11-1 run made it 27-11. Kris Montoya finally scored to break the spell. Whittier led 35-13 at 7:30 and 47-33 at halftime. In the second half Whittier led by as many as 20, and Oxy never seriously challenged.

Oxy had a big advantage in FTs, 21-for-24 to 6-for-17 for WC, but Oxy was 0-for-13 on 3-pointers, while Whittier was 6-for-18. In its last two games Oxy is 0-for-24 on 3-balls.

Jack Hanley scored 27 and Deshun McCoy had 20 for Oxy. Nathan Easterman scored 15, Paul Davis had 13, and Damon Perry and Ricky Kamayatsu each scored 11 for Whittier.

Trevor Woodland scored 26 in La Verne's 75-63 win at Redlands.

Aaron Fisher scored 28 and had 10 rebounds in CLU's 80-45 rout at Caltech.

Saturday's schedule, all games 7:00 p.m.:

La Verne (8-7, 3-1 SCIAC) @ Cal Lutheran (8-7, 2-2)
Claremont (8-6, 4-0) @ Caltech (4-11, 0-4)
Whittier (7-8, 2-2) @ Redlands (6-9, 3-1)
Pomona (6-9, 2-2) @ Oxy (6-9, 0-4)

OxyBob

Seems like the SCIAC is WIDE open this year. OxyBob, can you pinpoint any one thing thats causing the Oxy 0-4 start. Seems like their 3pt shooting has been poor, but this is very un-Oxy like. I can't think of the last 0-4 start they had.

As for CMS - very good win from them vs PP. Surprisingly though, they still have to face the top SCIAC competition at the end of the 1st half with Redlands and ULV, along with a test @ Caltech on Saturday. It could be a classic let down/look ahead game, where they come off a high of the CMS-PP game, and could be caught looking ahead to ULV and Redlands who are both 3-1. I think Scali will have the guys solely focused on Caltech, but Braun is always a difficult place to play, especially on Saturdays.

ULV has really surprised me. Coming out at 3-1 and winning @ Redlands has got to be a signature win for Reed this year. They seem to be playing well with Woodland, Napolitano and Wolpe carrying a decent amount of the load. They are always athletic, but from the looks of it, they have been buckling down defensively as well.

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 20, 2011, 01:30:03 PM
Quote from: stag44 on January 20, 2011, 11:55:57 AM
OxyBob, can you pinpoint any one thing thats causing the Oxy 0-4 start.

There must be more than one.

Quote from: stag44 on January 20, 2011, 11:55:57 AM
I can't think of the last 0-4 start they had.

I'm sure that Oxy's not started the conference season 0-4 since Brian Newhall's been the coach. Might have to go back into the early 1980s when Oxy wasn't very good to find an 0-4 start.

Next challenge for Oxy: Coach Kat and Pomona on Saturday.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: breakfromcoaching on January 20, 2011, 04:24:28 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 20, 2011, 01:30:03 PM
Quote from: stag44 on January 20, 2011, 11:55:57 AM
OxyBob, can you pinpoint any one thing thats causing the Oxy 0-4 start.

There must be more than one.

Quote from: stag44 on January 20, 2011, 11:55:57 AM
I can't think of the last 0-4 start they had.

I'm sure that Oxy's not started the conference season 0-4 since Brian Newhall's been the coach. Might have to go back into the early 1980s when Oxy wasn't very good to find an 0-4 start.

Next challenge for Oxy: Coach Kat and Pomona on Saturday.

OxyBob

Should Caltech and Oxy lose their next games, it'll provide quite the matchup for two 0-5 teams.  If that happens, betcha no one would have predicted that.

Only thing worse than 0-6 for Oxy would be 0-6 with a loss to Caltech. 

Keep in mind Cal Lu struggled the first round through conference and still made the SCIAC Tournament. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etule on January 20, 2011, 04:59:50 PM
Some coaches adapt better to the personal they have than others. CMS lost the POY and another key player and they struggled some in pre season but found a way to adjust and be successful. Oxy is just not as good at adjusting to their personal! Their defense is going to have to improve to give them any chance! Handly and McCoy can carry them offensively but the team defense has got to get better!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 20, 2011, 06:34:57 PM
Truly the sky is falling (http://www.whittierdailynews.com/news/ci_17141418).

I wonder if this is an omen for strange happenings in the SCIAC this season.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cmsme on January 21, 2011, 12:29:37 AM
I think Oxy's problem is psychological.  They are probably in shock at having started this way.  They just need to breathe. 

It seems in the SCIAC, you just need to make the tournament for a successful season.  And once you are in the tournament, anything is possible. 
Claremont has won the tournament and the league the last two years and it has been a lot of fun, but the games were all so close that any of the 4 teams could have won.

That is what I would tell those Oxy players--you don't have to win it all, you just have to be above 50%. 
But, I also say GO STAGS--crush OXY.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on January 22, 2011, 08:32:15 PM
Eyewitness from Dallas at the Independents Round Robin Tournament.

SCIAC wannabe Chapman 63 UCSC 52.

I was one of 78 fans to watch the game.  Chapman was in the lead from the start.  They built a 13 point lead in the first half, but UCSC cut it to 32-24 at the half.  UCSC got it down to 3 in the second half but ended up losing 63-52.  Chapman looks like a two man team with good supporting staff.  The Slugs were just a good supporting staff.  Even though the fouls were about even, Chapman got 12 more points from the line.

Chapman is now 15-3.  UCSC is 7-11.

I'm not planning to attend tomorrow because U of Dallas only has two wins this year.  I was hoping some of the Chapman posters would be in attendance.  I met the mother of a freshman.  She said she reads these boards.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CMSfan on January 23, 2011, 01:22:35 AM
Stags 79, Caltech 43
Box score: http://www.gocaltech.com/sports/mbkb/2010-11/files/cms-cit.htm (http://www.gocaltech.com/sports/mbkb/2010-11/files/cms-cit.htm)
Recap: http://www.gocaltech.com/sports/mbkb/2010-11/releases/201101234lknkn (http://www.gocaltech.com/sports/mbkb/2010-11/releases/201101234lknkn)

Other SCIAC action:

Redlands 83, Whittier 66
Box Score: http://www.goredlands.com/sports/mbkb/2010-11/boxscores/20110122_rpfy.xml (http://www.goredlands.com/sports/mbkb/2010-11/boxscores/20110122_rpfy.xml))

OXY 42, P-P 30
Box Score: http://www.oxyathletics.com/sports/mbkb/2010-11/boxscores/20110122_ssn3.xml (http://www.oxyathletics.com/sports/mbkb/2010-11/boxscores/20110122_ssn3.xml)
Recap: http://www.oxyathletics.com/sports/mbkb/2010-11/boxscores/20110122_ssn3.xml (http://www.oxyathletics.com/sports/mbkb/2010-11/boxscores/20110122_ssn3.xml)

La Verne 48, CLU 44
Box Score: http://www.clusports.com/stats/mens_basketball/2010_2011/ulv-clu.htm (http://www.clusports.com/stats/mens_basketball/2010_2011/ulv-clu.htm)
Recap: http://www.clusports.com/news/7205/ (http://www.clusports.com/news/7205/)

Also, some Claremont McKenna students put together a nice video recap of Wednesday's game vs. P-P.  Here's the link for those interested: http://vimeo.com/19024501 (http://vimeo.com/19024501)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 23, 2011, 09:19:16 AM
Here is Wednesday's schedule, all games 7:30 p.m.:

Caltech (4-12, 0-5 SCIAC) @ Oxy (7-9, 1-4)
Claremont (9-6, 5-0) @ La Verne (9-7, 4-1)
Redlands (7-9, 4-1) @ Pomona (6-10, 2-3)
Cal Lutheran (8-8, 2-3) @ Whittier (7-9, 2-3)

Huge opportunity for La Verne. The Leopards already have 3 road wins at Oxy, Redlands and CLU. A win at home against Claremont would give them a first place tie with the Stags and a leg up on Claremont going into the schedule turn. Pomona only scored 30 against Oxy?! That's gotta be the least number of points ever scored in a SCIAC game by a Coach Kat coached team. The only game I could find where the Sagehens had that kind of offensive nonput was in a 91-23 loss to UC Irvine in 2002.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cmsme on January 24, 2011, 01:29:34 AM
Probably Pomona was worn out from playing CMS, it seemed like a very intense game--or maybe Oxy took my advise and just breathed.   :D
CMS was lucky to play Caltech the game after Pomona.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: greyskies on January 26, 2011, 04:03:23 PM
Tonight will be telling

I believe big game is La Verne vs Claremont.  Teams are evenly matched respect to shooting, with slight height advantage to La Verne.  Battle between centers  Alex Wolpe and Patrick Lacey will factor big. I give edge to Patrick.  My prediction is Claremont by 4
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on January 26, 2011, 04:16:49 PM
Big night in the SCIAC

Game of the Night: CMS @ La Verne
HUGE game for both teams - CMS has a chance to get to 6-0 at the Super Tent. The key for the stags will be controlling the paint. Napolitano is brash and a bruiser in the post, trying to use his physicality to almost intimidate opponents. Wolpe is an inter-SCIAC transfer from Redlands who is athletic and skilled near the rim. I'm sure that La Verne will emphasize the post tonight and try to play off it. On top of that they'll probably pitch Woodland near the bigs for kickout 3s and to create.

The Stags will counter with a heavy dose of Lacey. He has been their horse since winter break and has seriously stepped up in the absence of Blees and Blue. He commands a double and will make you pay for single coverage. Also by having a commanding post with the Stag motion, driving lanes are open and bigs coming to help are a half step late. This has allowed Pinson, Mivshek, Anderson and Davis to drive lanes. When the double comes its allowed for Heidrich, Sullivan and Smith to bomb from 3 in a stationary position. They have really started to come around with the motion and will continue to improve.

I look for La Verne to try and speed up the game, trap guards, and double the post to get the Stags uncomfortable. Offensively, La Verne will try to use their size and athleticsm to create mismatches and go inside on the Stags. Unfortunately, I think the Stags will be composed and ready for the challenge and methodically pick apart the Leopards.

Stags win 68-57

In the other games, we get a great matchup between Redlands and Pomona. Most would think that Pomona would be 4-1 while Redlands would be 2-3, but its the opposite and Pomona is desparate for a conference win after losses to CMS and a woeful 30pts vs Oxy. They'll return to the friendly confines of Raines and will pull out the upset over Redlands in an ugly low scoring affair. PP 57-53

Cal Lu travels to Whittier in a battle to get to .500in conference. Both teams have had difficulties this year, but I think that CLU is primed for another 2nd half rally and are clicking with Grimm Fisher and Van Klaveran. CLU wins 75-66

Oxy and Caltech battle with last place on the line. Oxy will roll - seems like Caltech has run out of steam. Oxy 81-57
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on January 26, 2011, 07:08:00 PM
I think CMS game will not be as close as you think....ridiculously soft rims there will seriously advantage CMS shooters that don't miss much in the first place.....post plays to a draw, that will be the difference.

I acknowledge my bias, but Caltech has the talent to go toe to toe with anyone in the SCIAC if their shots will ever fall (wide open shots just not falling last two games)....if they get the lid off early tonight look out!

Should be a fun evening.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cmsme on January 26, 2011, 07:52:15 PM
OK.  My guesses--no point spread.  I would put $10 down if I could.
CMS over La Verne
Redlands over Pomona
Whittier over Cal Lu
Oxy over Caltech

It is hard to root for Caltech because I think everyone realizes how painful it will be for the team that looses (and hopefully it won't be us.)  There is too much pressure with a 20 year record.  Did the league consider kicking them out after 10 years of no wins?

However, I am not suggesting such a thing now--things are different.  Caltech looks like they will be competitive.  No team will take their game for granted. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: greyskies on January 26, 2011, 08:23:23 PM
I have Cal Lutheran winning tonight
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 27, 2011, 11:02:33 AM
Eyewitness report from Eagle Rock:

Oxy 53 Caltech 43

Competitive game between Oxy and CIT. Definitely the most Caltech fans I've ever seen at a game played at Oxy.

Oxy led 24-14 at the half. The Tigers led by 13 with about 10 minutes to go. Caltech got it down to 5 a couple of times, but that's as close as they got. Oxy's defense did a great job denying Ryan Elmquist the ball and held him to 6 points. Caltech came into the game as the best FT shooting team in the SCIAC, but the Beavers clanked several 1-and-1s.

Kris Montoya had a great game for Oxy with 22 points and 9 rebounds. Deshun McCoy and Jack Hanley were steady as usual with 16 and 12 each. For Caltech, Mike Paluchniak and Todd Cramer each scored 12, and Mike Edwards had 11.

Caltech has improved its game, and even has some swagger and attitude, and a couple of chippy players. It was fun to see so many CIT fans there cheering them on, hoping to see Caltech finally break its SCIAC losing streak, which is now up to 303.

Saturday's schedule, all games 7:00 p.m.:

Redlands (8-9, 5-1 SCIAC) @ Claremont (10-6, 6-0)
Oxy (8-9, 2-4) @ Cal Lutheran (8-9, 2-4)
Caltech (4-13, 0-6) @ Whittier (8-9, 3-3)
La Verne (9-8, 4-2) @ Pomona (6-11, 2-4)

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hoopsallthetime on January 27, 2011, 11:39:56 AM
Eyewitness Report

CMS 68  Laverne 59

The CMS Stags once again show that even though you lose the 2-time player of the year Chris Blees and your back up center in Greyson Blue, that you can still compete for a SCIAC Championship with great players and I believe the best coaches in the league. The Stags came out firing last night and proved to be the best team in the league. The Stags started the game on a 10-0 run that left Laverne wondering if they even had a chance to win the game. Laverne pushed there way back into the game with the incredible play of Trevor Woodland. Woodland is one of the best players in the league, but showed some flaws in his game that most SCIAC coaches probably already know. The kid can shoot there is no doubt about that, but has trouble creating his own shot when someone is in his grill. The Stags were in his grill the entire night, which is why he shot 6-18 for the game.
The Laverne kids kept the game close in the first half shooting with Woodland scoring 10 of his 18 points, and keeping them close. The first half was very close, with both teams going at each other, but the Stags controlling the lead throughout the game. The half ended with a 20-18 score, a score I'm sure Coach Reid was very happy about.

The second half was a different story. The Stags took control from the beginning with great 3 point shooting, and baby hooks from Patrick Lacey and Co..... While the Stags continued to open a lead, I was surprised my Laverne's lack of patience on the offensive end. Laverne ended up shooting themselves in the foot with one on one plays and bad shots all around. With 5 minutes to go the Stags opened up a 18 point lead and never looked back. After 3 minutes of a hack a Shaq mentality, the Stags finally pulled out a victory and start 6-0 in the conference.

The Stags shot 50% (4-8) from the arc, and 78.8% (26-33) from the Charity stripe.  The stags shot an amazing 63% (10-16) from the field in the second half, 43% for the game. Stags were led in scoring by Sr. Patrick Lacey with 14pts..7 rebs, and Remy Pinson with 13pts. Off the Bench, Mivshek lead w/ 10 pts and Alex Smith had 9. A great all around game from everyone involved. The Stags go the Redlands on Saturday where I'm sure they will meet a very hungry 5-1 Redlands team and a hostile crowd. See you all Saturday!!!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 27, 2011, 06:20:31 PM
Oxy-Caltech article in the San Gabriel Valley Tribune:

http://www.sgvtribune.com/sports/ci_17211987

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cmsme on January 29, 2011, 10:09:02 AM
 :D Interesting article.  I can imagine the coaches e mailing the players every day.  If the players don't want to be on the team that looses to Caltech, think of the coaches.  They make their living doing this.  Which is why I don't understand the league letting this go on for 20 years. 
I live in an area where a high school football team had won every game for ten years.  In the end, each game was about the fear of loosing, not the fun of winning.  And, once they lost, they lost several.  I think this will also be true of Caltech winning several, if they can win the first one, and it is not too late in the season.

My predictions for today:
CMS over Redlands at home
Cal Lu over Oxy at home
Whittier over Caltech at home
La Verne over Pomona Pitzer

I keep hearing this basketball wisdom:  It is hard to beat the same team three times in the same season.  I know this was true of CMS and PP l ast season.  How true is it? and why?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 29, 2011, 03:14:16 PM
Quote from: cmsme on January 29, 2011, 10:09:02 AM
Which is why I don't understand the league letting this go on for 20 years.
...
I think this will also be true of Caltech winning several, if they can win the first one, and it is not too late in the season.

Good job contradicting yourself in the same post.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on January 29, 2011, 03:58:08 PM
Huge game in Ducey tonight!!!!

The Stags (6-0) host Redlands (5-1) in a battle of the top 2 teams in conference. This will be a game contrasting 2 styles of play. The Stags try to impose their will on you defensively with man-to-man tough defense and wear you down with the motion, while Redlands tries to exploit mismatches and runs all sorts of defenses depending on situations.

From a personnel standpoint, it seems to be a similar story to the CMS-La Verne game. The Bulldogs will come out with Mills and Sanvictores who are both HEAVY lefthanded but very skilled big men. They run the floor extremely well and will test Lacey's conditioning tonight. They are long and lanky and it seems Redlands hi-lo offense is predicated on those 2 getting post touches. They run a triangle-like series which ends with a 2-man game with either of the bigs and a shooter feeding the post. The key here for the stags is how they double/help the post. Scali is incredible with bringing pressure and doubles at different timing and from different areas depending on situations, so I look for them to fluster the bigs and wreak havoc on the bounce.

Lacey should also have a good day against them. Both the Redlands bigs are talk and finesse type players. Lacey's big frame should create space and his footwork should do him right vs the Bulldogs. I look for a heavy dose of him early on to slow pace and create a foul count.

On the perimeter, the stags have been scoring by committee there. Each game seems to be a different scorer. Pinson, Gaffney, Heidrich, Smith, Sullivan, Mivshek, Davis have all scored 9+ points in SCIAC games this years, so you really cant key on one player and they all bring something different to the table. I couldn't tell you who has the big game tonight, but if I was betting on it I'd say Heidrich and Mivshek have big games.

Redlands counters with Deitrich Kent, Kirk amongst others. I think that they also run by committee on the perimeter and we can see any of them go off.

I think the team who wins the rebounding battle as well as limit turnovers will win tonight. I have the Stags pulling away late 67-58.

This would be a HUGE win for the Stags going into the 2nd half. They would have a 2 game lead and with away games at Redlands Oxy and PP to close out. Not sure if 14-0 is possible with this young crew, but they have defied all odds thus far.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 29, 2011, 07:49:39 PM
Quote from: cmsme on January 29, 2011, 10:09:02 AMI keep hearing this basketball wisdom:  It is hard to beat the same team three times in the same season.  I know this was true of CMS and PP l ast season.  How true is it? and why?

It's not true at all, nor does it qualify as wisdom.

The more you beat a team, the more you are likely to continue beating them. That's because you: a) demonstrate your superiority over them with an increasing number of successful outcomes to prove it; and b) create the dual psychologies of confidence among the winners and self-doubt among the losers.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: greyskies on January 29, 2011, 09:27:25 PM
I think Pomona put all the pieces of the puzzle together tonight and take it at home against La Verne.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hugenerd on January 30, 2011, 12:01:20 AM
Caltech falls by just 2 at Whittier.  February 12?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CMSfan on January 30, 2011, 12:44:31 AM
Redlands 65, CMS 55

Box Score: http://www.goredlands.com/sports/mbkb/2010-11/boxscores/20110129_hsgz.xml (http://www.goredlands.com/sports/mbkb/2010-11/boxscores/20110129_hsgz.xml)

There's a two-way tie for 1st place in SCIAC after Redlands stymied CMS in Ducey Gym tonight.  Redlands did a good job of disrupting the CMS offense and used timely shooting and a 15-15 night from the line to pull away from the Stags.

The game was tied late in the first half, but consecutive threes put Redlands up six at the break.  CMS stayed with Redlands the entire second half, but never regained the lead as poor shooting prevented them from making any significant runs.  Trailing by 4 with a minute to go, CMS looked awful in the last minute and Redlands cruised to a 10-point victory.

I thought CMS did a good job of keeping Redlands' big men away from the basket, but they gave Redlands far too many open looks throughout the game.  That combined with 40% shooting from the floor, including 4-17 from three-point range did the Stags in.

I believe that is Jim Ducey's first win in Ducey Gym, which I believe was named for his father.  So, congratulations are in order for him for a big win with a little added significance.

Redlands proved that they are a top team in SCIAC tonight, and while I think CMS is a stronger team overall, they'll have their work cut out for them when they head out to Redlands on 2/16.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 30, 2011, 11:14:14 AM
Quote from: hugenerd on January 30, 2011, 12:01:20 AM
Caltech falls by just 2 at Whittier. 

From the San Bernardino Sun:

QuoteCaltech's bid to end streak falls just short against Whittier

The streak is alive. Barely.

A 12-foot running jumper from Caltech freshman guard Mike Paluchniak hit off the side of the rim and stayed out with no time remaining to preserve Whittier College's nail-biting, 70-68 win over the visiting Beavers in SCIAC play Saturday night.

The defeat failed to end the Beavers' conference losing streak, which hit 304 games and extends over two decades. Caltech also dropped to 4-14 overall and 0-7 in conference.

Whittier College (9-9, 4-3), on the opposite end of the spectrum, is in fourth place in the SCIAC after winning its second consecutive game.
...

The Poets failed to ice the game with 14 seconds left when a 3-pointer from sophomore guard Paul Davis rimmed out and was rebounded by Caltech sophomore forward Mike Edwards.

The ball was brought up court when Beavers coach Oliver Eslinger called a timeout with 7.7 seconds left.

Freshman Todd Cramer struggled inbounding because of the pressure of the Poets' Greg Preer (Cerritos College).

Cramer got the ball to Will Dooris, who passed to Paluchniak on the wing with 4.4 seconds remaining.

As Paluchniak took possession, he first looked to pass before dribbling about four feet and taking a final shot.
...

Poets senior forward DaMon Perry hit 8 of 9 shots and finished with 17 points and eight rebounds.

Perry shared the game-high honors with Preer, who totaled 17 points and seven rebounds.

Davis also had 13 points.

Ryan Elmquist paced Caltech with 16 points and a school-record 11 assists while Cramer added 13 points and eight rebounds. Edwards contributed 11 points.

Cal Lutheran 55, Oxy 52 OT

Greg Grimm scored 29 as the Kingsmen prevailed at CLU. Oxy tied the game 47-all on Jack Hanley's off-balance 3-pointer with 6 seconds left in regulation. Oxy took a 50-47 lead in OT, but Grimm tied it up with a 3-ball. After Hanley hit a couple of FTs, Grimm hit another 3-pointer with 1:34 left, and CLU held on for the win.

For CLU, Grimm had 29, Jayvaughn Nettles scored 10, and Van Klaveren had 10 points and 10 rebounds. For Oxy, Hanley scored 16 and Sam Stapleton had 12. Jake Copithorne had 11 rebounds.

Wednesday's schedule, all games 7:00 p.m.:

Pomona (6-12, 2-5) @ Cal Lutheran (9-9, 3-4)
Whittier (9-9, 4-3) @ Claremont (10-7, 6-1)
Oxy (8-10, 2-5) @ Redlands (9-9, 6-1)
La Verne (10-8, 5-2) @ Caltech (4-14, 0-7)

OxyBob   
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on January 31, 2011, 02:41:49 AM
San Bernardino Sun article correction:

it was Cramer with 11 assists, not Elmquist.

Cramer had an amazing game...3rd almost triple double this season...2 rebounds shy this time.

...saw this game live...great game to watch...tested the ticker for sure...really thought Caltech would pull this one off.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 31, 2011, 12:04:24 PM
Article in today's Los Angeles Times about Oxy's Ty Cobb, the great-grandson of the legendary baseball Hall of Famer:

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-ty-cobb-20110131,0,7912374.story

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 31, 2011, 05:11:24 PM
Thanks, great piece and added it to What We're Reading.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 02, 2011, 03:22:32 PM
First Regional Rankings: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2011/02/02/ncaas-mens-regional-rankings/
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hugenerd on February 03, 2011, 12:17:40 AM
Caltech only down 2, 55-57, 2 minutes to play.

Now only a 1 point game, 32 s to play, 58-59.

Wow, another 1 point loss, 61-60.  La Verne pulls it out.  Dont have a box score yet, I wonder if Caltech had the lead 60-59 before La Verne made their last shot?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 03, 2011, 12:31:23 AM
Quote from: hugenerd on February 03, 2011, 12:17:40 AM
Caltech only down 2, 55-57, 2 minutes to play.

Now only a 1 point game, 32 s to play.

And final 61-60 LaVerne. Darn.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hugenerd on February 03, 2011, 12:33:29 AM
Yeah, the score was 59-58 with 32 s left.  I wonder if Caltech briefly took the lead at 60-59?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hugenerd on February 03, 2011, 12:38:49 AM
What a heartbreaker.  Caltech led 60-59 with 21 s left.  La Verne hit the game winner with 6 s left and Caltech missed the desperation shot at the buzzer.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CMSfan on February 03, 2011, 02:09:19 AM
Stags 73, Whittier 65

Box Score: http://www.cmsathletics.org/sports/mbkb/2010-11/files/WC-CMS.HTM (http://www.cmsathletics.org/sports/mbkb/2010-11/files/WC-CMS.HTM)

CMS got back to their winning ways tonight in a tough battle with Whittier.  I think the Stags were lucky to get out of this one with a W, because this was the ugliest game I've seen all year.  CMS turned the ball over 21 times.  Whittier's aggressive and relentless defense, combined with an officiating crew that let way too many fouls slide, kept the Stags from establishing an offensive rhythm.  The saving grace was a 2-3 minute stretch in the second half when Kevin Sullivan hit three consecutive 3's to help CMS regain the lead.

Sullivan led the Stags with 13 points.  Joey Anderson had a nice line with 12 points, 12 boards (6 offensive), 3 blocks, and a steal.  Nathan Easterman came off the bench with 17 points to lead the Poets.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 03, 2011, 05:03:16 PM
Caltech-ULV article in the Pasadena Star-News:

http://www.pasadenastarnews.com/sports/ci_17277813

In the other two SCIAC games, Oxy edged Redlands 55-53, and knocked the Bulldogs out of a first-place tie with Claremont, and CLU beat Pomona 61-52.

Saturday's schedule, all games 7:00 p.m.:

Cal Lutheran (10-9, 4-4 SCIAC) @ La Verne (11-8, 6-2)
Caltech (4-15, 0-8) @ Redlands (9-10, 6-2)
Pomona (6-13, 2-6) @ Whittier (9-10, 4-4)
Claremont (11-7, 7-1) @ Oxy (9-10, 3-5)

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on February 03, 2011, 06:12:11 PM
http://www.dailynews.com/sports/ci_17253552?source=rss

Whittier coach comments after playing Caltech last saturday

http://www.cosida.com/media/documents/2011/2/2010_11_AAA_MBB_All_District_Teams.pdf

Ryan Elmquist makes first team Academic All District
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Fan O SCIAC on February 04, 2011, 07:59:11 PM
Does anyone know why Hanley did not play in the victory over Redlands Wednesday?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 05, 2011, 04:41:06 AM
Quote from: Fan O SCIAC on February 04, 2011, 07:59:11 PM
Does anyone know why Hanley did not play in the victory over Redlands Wednesday?

Ankle.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on February 05, 2011, 06:20:35 PM
Always a fun matchup tonight at Rush Gymnasium for the Stags

The Stags have wont their last 3 games at Oxy and look to continue their run through the SCIAC with another win.

Oxy is coming off a HUGE win @ Redlands and will be looking to keep momentum going.

There is should be a great crowd on a Saturday night.

Look for the Stags to bring a renewed focus after playing poorly the last two games. They were lucky to get a win vs Whitter with big play from Joey and Sully.

Oxy is fighting for a playoff spot now.

I'll be watching online, should be fun.

CMS wins a close one 58-52
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cmsme on February 06, 2011, 02:07:08 AM
A three way tie for first place :o  :o  There are going to be some hard faught games coming up--even Caltech is a battle. 
And cheers to Oxy for knocking off the top two team, after having such a terrrible start.
Any predicitons on the top 4 teams that will go to tournament?
:-*
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on February 06, 2011, 11:50:45 AM
From the Tiger Athletics website:

Tigers stun Stags to start Second Round of SCIAC play

LOS ANGELES, Calif. – Beginning the second round of Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference action tonight at Rush Gymnasium before a packed house, the Occidental College men's basketball team stunned the visiting, current conference leading, Claremont-Mudd-Scripps Stags' earning a 49-43 victory in a back-and-forth battle.

Trailing by a point, 20-19, at the intermission after a first half in which the score spread was never more than three, the Tigers got the spark they needed from a pair of freshmen with 7:04 to play in regulation.

Kris Montoya drove the baseline, splitting a pair of Stags' defenders, attempting an acrobatic reverse layup, which bounced on the rim and trickled off the edge. There to retrieve the ball was classmate Ty Cobb, who grabbed the offensive rebounds and layed in the ball, giving the Tigers a 35-34 lead.

Occidental would never look back, using the Cobb basket as the first of four consecutive for an 8-0 run to open a seven point lead.

"Our three freshmen stepped up in a big way tonight," head coach Brian Newhall shared post-game. "Cobb, [Drew] Dockweiler and Montoya were all in the game when we extended our lead to seven points. They are growing up in front us."

CMS would get back within a pair, but the Tigers dug down and went 8-for-8 from the free throw line in the final 2:07 with a pair apiece from Montoya, Drew Dockweiler, Jake Copithorne and Deshun McCoy. Overall the Tigers were 17-for-19 from the charity stripe tonight.

Sidelined on Wednesday night, Jack Hanley ended up leading all players with 12 points, including a 2-for-2 performance from three-point range on his only two shots of the first half. He added a 4-for-4 night at the line.

"Hanley gave us a nice boost off of the bench as he gutted it out and played through a painful ankle sprain from earlier in the week," Newhall commented following the victory.

McCoy and Montoya finished with eight and seven points, respectively while Sam Stapleton chipped in with six as he controlled the pace of the game as the Tigers' point guard.

"Stapleton is a worker," Newhall added. "He is a pleasure to coach. Sam is all about the team. His work ethic and practice habits are incredible and will definitely bode well in the future."

Dockweiler was the only other Tiger in double figures tonight with 10. He continued his solid playing ways, going 3-for-3 in the opening period, finishing 4-for-5 from the floor. Additionally he led the squad with eight rebounds.

All eight Oxy players who stepped on the hardwood came away with a rebound tonight. Jake Copithorne continues to be strong on the glass, finishing with seven boards and was the only Oxy player with more than one offensive rebound. Occidental out rebounded Claremont-Mudd-Scripps 31-26 although the Stags finished with nine offensive rebounds to the Tigers' seven.

As a unit the Tigers played a very sound game, keeping things close. The teams were tied 10 times and the lead changed 11 times during the 40 minutes. Occidental held CMS to a 28 field goal percentage tonight.

"We played a solid game on defense," Newhall went on, "Our effort and focus in the second half was much better tonight than it has been."

Earlier in the season, the Tigers lacked focus at times and were unable to finish out some close games, starting the SCIAC season 0-4. Since then, they are 4-1, with their only loss an overtime heart breaker to Cal Lutheran University.

The win pushes the Tigers' record to 10-9 overall, 4-5 in SCIAC play while the Stags fall to 11-8, 7-2.

"CMS is the team to beat," Newhall noted, showing the respect that he has for their program. "Coach Scalmanini has turned CMS into one of the top teams on the West Coast. We cannot forget that they are playing without defending SCIAC Player of the Year Chris Blees and back up center Greyson Blue and. Ken [Scalmanini] is doing an outstanding job."

Occidental will be on the road for a pair, beginning on Wednesday, Feb. 9 when they travel to the University of La Verne. The Tigers and Leopards will tip off at 7:30 p.m.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 07, 2011, 07:04:35 PM
Wednesday's schedule, all games 7:30 p.m.:

Caltech (4-16, 0-9 SCIAC) @ Pomona (6-14, 2-7)
Cal Lutheran (10-10, 4-5) @ Claremont (11-8, 7-2)
Redlands (10-10, 7-2) @ Whittier (10-10, 5-4)
Oxy (10-10, 4-5) @ La Verne (12-8, 7-2)

After starting the conference season 0-4, Oxy has won 4 of 5, with the only loss in OT to CLU. ULV took down Oxy 52-49 in Rush. Oxy prevails in the rematch. Big game for Whittier. Payback's a bitch, Redlands. Advantage WC. CLU needs a win to stay in the race for a spot in the conference tournament. Unfortunately they won't get it in the Temple of Doom. And you heard it here first: I predict that Caltech will end its 306-game SCIAC losing streak at Pomona.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CMSfan on February 07, 2011, 07:50:29 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 07, 2011, 07:04:35 PM
I predict that Caltech will end its 306-game SCIAC losing streak at Pomona.

That would make me happy.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on February 08, 2011, 12:34:52 PM
I find myself on the same page as OxyBob here, Caltech should win this and the streak should end....CMS wins easy (of course I've been wrong on them the last couple weeks), Oxy and LaVerne will be tight (coin flip), I think Whittier takes down Redlands (haven't been too impressed with Redlands this year)

I've thought all along that a single win for Caltech would turn into several wins (much like it did in their non-conference season)....it will be interesting to see what happens to the team's demeanor when the win finally happens...they're confident and chippy to begin with...I imagine a win will only increase their confidence/swagger.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: breakfromcoaching on February 08, 2011, 03:14:52 PM
Quote from: WoostAr on February 08, 2011, 12:34:52 PM
I find myself on the same page as OxyBob here, Caltech should win this and the streak should end....CMS wins easy (of course I've been wrong on them the last couple weeks), Oxy and LaVerne will be tight (coin flip), I think Whittier takes down Redlands (haven't been too impressed with Redlands this year)

I've thought all along that a single win for Caltech would turn into several wins (much like it did in their non-conference season)....it will be interesting to see what happens to the team's demeanor when the win finally happens...they're confident and chippy to begin with...I imagine a win will only increase their confidence/swagger.

Should Caltech win Wednesday, their Alumni Event on Saturday against Whittier will be electric.  It's going to be a great event nonetheless, but the energy from everyone coming back along with the streak being over (and the possibility of a 2 game winning streak in conference) would be a wonderful thing to see.

How bad do the Caltech guys want it?  I know their coaches do.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hoopsallthetime on February 08, 2011, 03:58:49 PM
Caltech will not win at Pomona...I will guarantee that. Katz will not let that happen to his team nor to his program. The Sagehens may be having a bad year, but that will not include losing to the Beavers. It will be a good game I believe, but Pomona will pull it out in the end. I would look more towards the Whittier game if you are looking for a first win. Just my opinion...and let's not get to ahead of ourselves!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on February 08, 2011, 04:33:22 PM
Good bulletin board material for Pomona!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on February 08, 2011, 04:46:52 PM
If they need bulletin board material to get up for this game, they're in trouble.

Guess this is why they play the games!!....we will have to wait and see.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on February 08, 2011, 05:11:16 PM
PP will not lose tonight, and it would be fitting for Caltech to break the streak at that Homecoming event.

CMS has struggled the past 2 weeks, but I think Pinson will have a big game Wednesday and they should take care of CLU at home.

ULV Oxy will go to Oxy. Newhall has his guys playing well and making a push for the playoff.

Whittier Redlands is a coinflip in my mind. Whittier is always a tough place to place, but it seems like Redlands is for real this year. Last year they were in a similar position and wound up out of the playoff.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 08, 2011, 07:22:46 PM
Quote from: WoostAr on February 08, 2011, 12:34:52 PM
(haven't been too impressed with Redlands this year)

I can certainly understand that. After all, Redlands is in first place and is 4-0 on the road.

Quote from: dahlby on February 08, 2011, 04:33:22 PM
Good bulletin board material for Pomona!

Someone from Pomona would have to read the message board first.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on February 08, 2011, 09:45:08 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 08, 2011, 07:22:46 PM
Quote from: WoostAr on February 08, 2011, 12:34:52 PM
(haven't been too impressed with Redlands this year)

I can certainly understand that. After all, Redlands is in first place and is 4-0 on the road.


The Lakers have 36 wins and I haven't been impressed by them either.

But in the case of Redlands...10-10 record overall....lost to Oxy....16.4 turnovers a game...on average out-rebounded on the season...and on the season shoots a lower percentage than opponents.

So yes, they're winning, I'm just not impressed.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: greyskies on February 09, 2011, 06:27:51 PM
An exciting night, I can't wait to see what pans out. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 10, 2011, 12:40:41 AM
Wednesday night's final scores:

Oxy 61 La Verne 49
Oxy: McCoy 16, Dockweiler 10, Copithorne 10
ULV: Hoyt 20, Napolitano 13 and 9 rebs

Redlands 73 Whittier 57
UR: Kirk 16, Santictores 13, Mills 11
WC: Preer 11 and 12 rebs, Davis 10

Claremont 57 CLU 47
CMS: Sullivan 14, Gaffaney 12, Pinson 11
CLU: Grimm 24

Pomona 60 Caltech 54

Redlands unimpressively won at Whittier and remained tied for first with Claremont. The Bulldogs are now an unimpressive 5-0 in conference road games. UR will take its unimpressive 8-2 conference record to CLU on Saturday. Oxy continued to improve, knocking off La Verne in the Super Tents. The Tigers have won 5 of 6 and evened their SCIAC record at 5-5 after an 0-4 start. Claremont overcame a 7-point halftime deficit, and held Cal Lutheran to only 12 second half points. Finally, Pomona prevailed over Caltech, CIT's 307th straight conference loss.

Saturday's schedule, all games 7:00 p.m.:

Redlands (11-10, 8-2 SCIAC) @ Cal Lutheran (10-11, 4-6)
Whittier (10-11, 5-5) @ Caltech (4-17, 0-10)
La Verne (12-9, 7-3) @ Claremont (12-8, 8-2)
Oxy (11-10, 5-5) @ Pomona (7-14, 3-7)

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CMSfan on February 10, 2011, 12:53:40 AM
Stags 57, CLU 47
http://www.cmsathletics.org/sports/mbkb/2010-11/files/CLU-CMS.HTM (http://www.cmsathletics.org/sports/mbkb/2010-11/files/CLU-CMS.HTM)

A tale of two halves in Claremont.  Cal Lu shot 61% from the floor in the first half and exploited several CMS defensive lapses to take a 35-28 lead into halftime.  Greg Grimm accounted for 16 of the 35

CMS opened the second half with a 27-6 run - though I suppose it's not really a run when it lasts 19 minutes.  Grimm hit two 3's in the final minute to spare CLU the indignity of scoring in single digits for the half.  CMS was sparked by a stretch of five minutes where Kevin Sullivan hit four 3's to take the Stags from down one to up by double digits.

Both big men seemed frustrated throughout the game by the officiating underneath, but Lacey managed to keep his temper from boiling over whereas Van Klaveren lost composure and fouled out on silly fouls on two consecutive plays.

Also of note was the absence of Cody Mivshek.  He was at the game, but not in uniform.  Not sure what the story is there.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cmsme on February 10, 2011, 09:32:25 PM
I hear Cody is hurt and may be back for the next game.  CMS needs him, but if there is any doubt, I would save him for the tournament.  (assuming CMS makes it.)

I asked my son what changes CMS made from the 1st half when Cal Lu scored 35 points and the 2nd half when they scored 12 points--he said the team played harder.   :D  I wonder if it is just that simple.
During the Cal Lu audio, there was a point where you could hear the CL coach yell--That's just NOT RIGHT.  And then there was a long referee conference.  It had to do with a bloody nose.  Does anyone remember what happened?

Oxy Bob--I thought your prediction was going to come true.  But the horror of your prediction was probably enough to goose Pomona into a win.  If you can make mincemeat out of that Caltech student, god knows what you can do with a Caltech win/Pomona lose.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CMSfan on February 11, 2011, 02:54:27 AM
Quote from: cmsme on February 10, 2011, 09:32:25 PM
During the Cal Lu audio, there was a point where you could hear the CL coach yell--That's just NOT RIGHT.  And then there was a long referee conference.  It had to do with a bloody nose.  Does anyone remember what happened?

It happened under the CMS basket.  I didn't see exactly what happened because it was away from the main action.  CMS missed a shot and Joey Anderson came out of nowhere to grab the offensive board.  It looked like he was fouled on the put-back attempt, but the ref under the basket was paying attention to the Cal Lu guy bleeding on the floor.  I saw a CMS guy rubbing his head after the play, so my best guess is they collided his head was harder than the Cal Lu guy's nose.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 11, 2011, 09:21:24 AM
Quote from: cmsme on February 10, 2011, 09:32:25 PM
If you can make mincemeat out of that Caltech student, god knows what you can do with a Caltech win/Pomona lose.

According to the game write-up in the Whittier Daily News, Caltech had plenty of chances to win:

http://www.whittierdailynews.com/sports/ci_17346868

OxyBob

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hoopsallthetime on February 11, 2011, 11:26:29 AM
Quote from: cmsme on February 10, 2011, 09:32:25 PM
I hear Cody is hurt and may be back for the next game.  CMS needs him, but if there is any doubt, I would save him for the tournament.  (assuming CMS makes it.)

I asked my son what changes CMS made from the 1st half when Cal Lu scored 35 points and the 2nd half when they scored 12 points--he said the team played harder.   :D  I wonder if it is just that simple.
During the Cal Lu audio, there was a point where you could hear the CL coach yell--That's just NOT RIGHT.  And then there was a long referee conference.  It had to do with a bloody nose.  Does anyone remember what happened?

Oxy Bob--I thought your prediction was going to come true.  But the horror of your prediction was probably enough to goose Pomona into a win.  If you can make mincemeat out of that Caltech student, god knows what you can do with a Caltech win/Pomona lose.

I will tell you "What's Not Right"...is the fact that Cal Lutheran would have only scored 7 points in the second half if it wasn't for Grimms last 2 three's to end the game (which included one from half court at the Buzzer).

Let's hope Cal Lu can play a little better this weekend and come away with a big win against Redlands.

Upcoming games this weekend:

Redlands (11-10, 8-2 SCIAC) @ Cal Lutheran (10-11, 4-6) My pick: Cal Lu by 3
Whittier (10-11, 5-5) @ Caltech (4-17, 0-10) My pick: Cal Tech by 2
La Verne (12-9, 7-3) @ Claremont (12-8, 8-2) Mhy pick: CMS by 7
Oxy (11-10, 5-5) @ Pomona (7-14, 3-7) My Pick: Oxy by 2




Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CMSfan on February 13, 2011, 12:43:52 AM
Stags 53, ULV 46

Box Score: http://www.d3hoops.com/seasons/men/2010-11/boxscores/20110212_jxjj.xml (http://www.d3hoops.com/seasons/men/2010-11/boxscores/20110212_jxjj.xml)

After three consecutive sub-par performances, CMS put together a nice all-around effort to hold off La Verne.  The first half was a defensive battle, with CMS holding La Verne to just 16 points and heading into the half with a 22-16 lead.  La Verne made a couple runs in the second half, and poor free throw shooting by CMS in the last two minutes let the Leos stick around, but CMS ultimately prevailed as La Verne's poor shooting prevented them from mounting a comeback.

This was my first look at La Verne and I came away impressed.  They reminded me of Whittier with their athleticism, but they played a more composed game and frustrated the Stags offense at time.  They also rebounded well.  Two things did them in. 1) Woodland had an awful game (1-13 shooting).  Credit goes to the Stags D (Joey Anderson!) for that, but Woodland also just seemed to have an off-night.  Had he performed better, ULV could have won this one. 2) 7-15 from the line, including several misses on the front end of one-and-ones.

Mivshek returned to active duty with a team-leading 15 points, thanks to 10-12 shooting from the line.  No other Stag had more than 7.  Alex Smith and Joey Anderson both fouled out.  Lacey struggled to get good looks and ended up 3-13 from the floor.

Wednesday's game at Redlands will be huge!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 13, 2011, 01:30:39 AM
Quote from: CMSfan on February 13, 2011, 12:43:52 AM
Stags 53, ULV 46

Elsewhere...

Whittier 70 Caltech 50
WC: Easterman 21 and 10 rebs, Perry 16
CIT: Elmquist 15, Edwards 12, Paluchniak 19, Cramer 10

Whittier outscored Caltech 12-2 to start the second half and never looked back.

Oxy 56 Pomona 49
OC: Hanley 20, McCoy 19
PP: Moss 25

Oxy trailed by 8 at the half but roared back to win its 4th straight and 6th of its last 7.

Cal Lutheran 72 Redlands 64

Wednesday's schedule, all games 7:30 p.m.:

Claremont (13-8, 9-2 SCIAC) @ Redlands (11-11, 8-3)
Caltech (4-18, 0-11) @ Cal Lutheran (11-11, 5-6)
Pomona (7-15, 3-8) @ La Verne (12-10, 7-4)
Whittier (11-11, 6-5) @ Oxy (12-10, 6-5)

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on February 13, 2011, 06:40:37 PM
Just a correction....Paluchniak only had 10....wish he had 19....

......Redlands manage to turn the ball over only 8 times this game as compared to twenty in their last win....Cal Lu with 21 turnovers and the win......somehow that stat seems like it should be backwards.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 14, 2011, 05:44:48 PM
Quote from: CMSfan on February 13, 2011, 12:43:52 AM
Wednesday's game at Redlands will be huge!

A UR win would give the Bulldogs a first place tie, a series sweep over CMS, and a big leg up for the top seed in the conference tournament.

Huge game also for Oxy and Whittier. The Poets and Tigers are tied for 4th. WC thrashed Oxy at Whittier. Oxy is the hottest team in the conference. The Tigers have won 6 of 7 (the loss in OT to CLU), including wins over the 3 teams ahead of them.

CLU is in 5th and cannot afford another loss. The Kingmen destroyed Caltech 80-45 in Braun. CLU will get an easy win at home against the Beavers.

La Verne is sitting pretty in 3rd place The Leopards will hold home court against Pomona, which ULV beat by 10 in Rains.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hoopsallthetime on February 14, 2011, 06:34:03 PM
I have to agree with Oxy Bob...Redlands is in great shape to take over the conference with a huge win over CMS on Wednesday. Hopefully it doesn't happen, but we will soon find out. Redlands will still have two tough games remaining at home against Pomona on Saturday and what could be the biggest game of there season on Tuesday in Laverne. I see them winning maybe one or two of there final 3 games...Just my opinion based on past years.
Oxy is looking good the last two weeks and look to have put themselves in the hunt to take a run at the tournament title. It should be a good game Wednesday when the Poets try to end the run and remain in 4th place.

Predictions:
CMS @ Redlands
(I may be bias, but I believe the Stags go to Redlands and pull out a huge "W" on the road to remain in First place. Score 68-64

Caltech @ Cal Lutheran
I believe Caltech keeps it close for most of the game, but Cal Lu's experience pushes them to a 8 point victory keeping Caltech's losing streak alive. Score 72-64

Pomona Pitzer @ Laverne
After watching Reids kids play a tough game against CMS on Saturday, there is no way they let the chance to make the tournament slip out of there hands. Plus I know they want another shot at CMS based on there reactions after the game Saturday night. I don't think this game is even close...advantage Laverne! Score 65-54

Game of the Night
Whittier @ Occidental
I think this game will really come down to can Whittier focus for 40 minutes. We all know that Whittier has one of the most athletic teams in the conference, but can they keep there heads on straight for 40 mins. I just think Oxy is on to much of a roll lately, and with only one more big game ahead of them against Cal Lutheran on Saturday..I just don't see them slowing down. Whittier will keep it close, but I think free throw shooting puts them away and Oxy comes away with a big win to take over sole position for 4th place in the league. Score: 65-61
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CMSfan on February 14, 2011, 06:49:43 PM
Quote from: Hoopsallthetime on February 14, 2011, 06:34:03 PM
I have to agree with Oxy Bob...Redlands is in great shape to take over the conference with a huge win over CMS on Wednesday. Hopefully it doesn't happen, but we will soon find out.

...

Predictions:
CMS @ Redlands
(I may be bias, but I believe the Stags go to Redlands and pull out a huge "W" on the road to remain in First place. Score 68-64

I hope you're right.  Redlands stands to gain as much as any team from home-court advantage in the SCIAC tournament, so I'm really hoping the Stags can pull this one out.

Currier Gym will be very energetic on Wednesday, you can bet on that.  Redlands has a real shot at a SCIAC championship and they have a big student body without much to distract them on a Wednesday night.  I think it will be very loud.  And there probably won't be much of a CMS contingent out there to support the Stags, unfortunately.  A lot will come down do how the teams handle the pressure of a big game.  Conventional wisdom suggests Redlands will benefit, but I think the weight of playing for a possible championship in front of a huge crowd could lead to jitters, especially if the Stags jump out to an early lead.  Probably wishful thinking on my part.  Anyway, I think the Stags will put together a solid effort and pull out a close one, but I won't be surprised if it goes the other way.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on February 14, 2011, 07:46:34 PM
Way to sit on the fence CMSFan... :)

...Still unimpressed by Redlands...

Caltech wins.

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CMSfan on February 15, 2011, 12:53:40 AM
Quote from: WoostAr on February 14, 2011, 07:46:34 PM
Way to sit on the fence CMSFan... :)

Ok, fine.  Stags win 54-53.   ;D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cmsme on February 15, 2011, 02:33:07 AM
does anyone know if there will be more than just live stats at the Redlands/CMS game?  audio?  video?
my prediction/hope is that the Stags win. 
I am glad Cody Mivshek is back.  I think the Stags are going to need everyone on the team playing their best. 
I wonder what kind of team CMS would have had if Chris Blees had not gotten hurt, but towards the end of the season, I am very proud how the coach has gotten everyone on the team to step up.  CMS was built around Chris Blees and to have suddenly lost him as a player must have caused some panic. And then Greyson Blue got horribly hurt.
But I think about the Freshmen and how poised they have been, the Sophmores and how they have stepped up and contributed so much more this year, the Juniors and their all out effort, and the Seniors and their leadership when Chris Blees left such a hole. 
(I know Chris is coaching and advising, but it is not the same as being on the court.)
So, my best wishes to the Stags.  Wish I could be at the game.  :)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: NWCer on February 15, 2011, 10:32:49 AM
Heard a lot of chatter on this board earlier about Cal Tech winning a conf game, or even  several.....
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etule on February 15, 2011, 07:31:10 PM
I for one thought they would win a couple! Teams started to take them seriously. They are a decent team! They haven't been able to close the deal.
Very respectable! :-\
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 15, 2011, 07:42:11 PM
In a way, I think their task has gotten harder because they have gotten respectable.

They are no longer an automatic win, but NO ONE wants to be their first victim.

They may have a larger target on their backs than if they were ranked in the top 5! :o ;D 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on February 15, 2011, 09:10:48 PM
Ypsi I think you're right....Whittier didn't come in looking nearly as lackadaisical as they appeared in the first contest.

They're still young and they rely heavily on that youth...start 2 freshman (1 and 3 in the conference in minutes played!) and two sophomores (one of which is #7 in conference in minutes played)....Eslinger will continue to bring in great talent (seen a few of his recruits at the games...they certainly look the part).....they'll only be getting better.

I expect one of the next three games to end in a W for them.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 16, 2011, 03:33:07 PM
Week 3 Regional Rankings are out: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2011/02/16/ncaa-2011-regional-rankings-week-3/
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on February 16, 2011, 03:50:29 PM
article on caltech  http://chronicle.com/blogs/postcards/after-25-years-of-losses-caltech-basketball-instills-fears-in-presidents-hearts/951
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on February 16, 2011, 05:07:06 PM
CMS @ Redlands

In the biggest game of the season upto this point for both teams, CMS comes in clicking on the defensive end, but sputtering offensively. They'll go into a very hostile Currier Gym where I'm sure fans will pack the house given the rivalry.

I'd assume the game starts with a frenzy and will involve turnovers, fast pace, and low scoring given the environment. Once the teams settle in, I think we'll see a very hotly contested physical game. Both teams are fighting for home court advantedge, and the Stags realize this will essentiall lock a three-peat championship and #1 seed for the tourney.

Redlands though, is in the same position with a win, owning the tiebreaker.

The key for me comes down to the Bigs and PGs. Lacey needs to play HUGE down on the block and rebound from a couple uneven performances. He's been carrying a massive load in the key and 30+ minutes for a 5 at any level takes its toll. He realizes the magnitude of this game and will thrive in the hostile rode environment.

On the flip side, he'll have to deal with Sanvictores and Mills. Both are lanky lefties that rim run extremely well and are crafty on the offensive end. They can be exploited defensively with quick feet and power, but do well with their length to rebound and alter shots and airspace.

In the PG space the key will be turnovers and penetration. The team that can stay under 10 tos should win. Also, keeping guards out of the key will be the primary objective of Redlands. if the stags can get into the paint with guard penetration it opens up dumps for Lacey as well as 3pointers for the squad. The Stags have to shoot better than 4-17 they shot during the last game.

Should shape up to be an INCREDIBLE game.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 17, 2011, 09:48:54 AM
Wednesday night's scores:

Redlands 77 Claremont 69
UR: Sanvictores 21 and 10 rebs, Mills 11, Ervin 11
CMS: Lacy 14, Heidrich 12

Redlands and Claremont clinch spots in conference tournament. With win UR has inside track to #1 seed.

Cal Lutheran 72 Caltech 56
CLU: Van Klaveren 16 and 10 rebs, Grimm 14, Sulker-Hall 12, Nettles 11
CIT: Edwards 16, Elmquist 15, Cramer 15

CLU led all the way.

Pomona 63 La Verne 49
PP: Weiss 12, Maki 11, Moss 11
ULV: Napolitano 12

ULV stumbles. Huge game at Whittier on Saturday.

Whittier 57 Oxy 53
WC: Perry 15, Mebane 13
Oxy: McCoy 18, Stapleton 10

Biggest game of the year for Tigers and Kingsmen this Saturday.

Saturday's schedule, all games 7:00 p.m.:

Cal Lutheran (12-11, 6-6 SCIAC) @ Oxy (12-11, 6-6)
Pomona (8-15, 4-8) @ Redlands (12-11, 9-3)
Caltech (4-19, 0-12) @ Claremont (13-9, 9-3)
La Verne (12-11, 7-5) @ Whittier (12-11, 7-5)

Do or die for Oxy and CLU. To make the conference tournament, Oxy has to win its last 2 games against CLU and Caltech. CLU is not out of it, but needs to win its last two games against Oxy and Whittier. The Poets have the tiebreaker against Oxy, which has the tiebreaker against ULV.

Remaining games:

Redlands: Pomona, @ La Verne
Claremont: Caltech, @ Pomona
La Verne: @ Whittier, Redlands
Whittier: La Verne, @ CLU
Oxy: CLU, @ Caltech
CLU: @ Oxy, Whittier
Pomona: @ Redlands, Claremont
Caltech: @ Claremont, Oxy

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hoopsallthetime on February 17, 2011, 12:11:53 PM
After the stumble last night at Redlands, CMS looks to turn things around on Senior night against the Caltech Beavers with Pomona on Tuesday. I really believe CMS still has a good shot to win the conference and get the #1 seed for the tournament if they can take care of business in the next week.
Quote from: OxyBob on February 17, 2011, 09:48:54 AM
Wednesday night's scores:

Remaining games:

Redlands: Pomona, @ La Verne
Claremont: Caltech, @ Pomona
La Verne: @ Whittier, Redlands
Whittier: La Verne, @ CLU
Oxy: CLU, @ Caltech
CLU: @ Oxy, Whittier
Pomona: @ Redlands, Claremont
Caltech: @ Claremont, Oxy


After looking at the remaining schedule Redlands will have a tough road moving forward. Pomona matches well with Redlands and are playing spoiler throughout the remaining schedule. Hopefully, Pomona can come away with a win on Saturday to give CMS a chance at the number 1 seed. There final game at Laverne will not be an easy game either, because Laverne will possible be playing for there life and a chance to be in the tournament.
CMS has an easier road if you can say that with games against Caltech and Pomona. I believe they can get past Caltech on Saturday (which isn't as easy as it used to be) and then will have a battle on their hands Tuesday night in Rains. That game can go either way, but hopefully we will be fighting for a Conference championship and a #1 seed in the tourney.
All eyes will be on the contests between OXY vs. Cal Lu and Whittier vs. Laverne. All these teams have a shot at the 3 & 4 seeds in the tournament. Could shape up to be a great week in SCIAC basketball.

When it all pans out here is what I see happening:

Saturday
Pomona @ Redlands (Winner: Redlands)
Caltech @ CMS (Winner: CMS)
Laverne @ Whittier (Winner: Whittier)
Cal Lu @ Oxy (Winner: OXY)

Tuesday
Redlands @ Laverne (Winner: Laverne)
CMS @ Pomona (Winner: CMS)
Cal Tech @ Oxy (Winner: Oxy)
Whittier @ Cal Lu (Winner: Cal Lu)

Final Results
CMS 11-3
Redlands 10-4
Whittier 8-6
Oxy 8-6
Laverne 8-6
Cal Lutheran 7-7
Pomona 4-10
Caltech 0-14
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Fan O SCIAC on February 18, 2011, 12:12:54 AM
Can anyone enlighten me as to the tie breaker criteria for the final standings?  I assume head-to-head competition is first.  However, if it's a two-way tie and the teams split the seasons series what is second?  If it's a three-way tie I assume won-loss record in the four games played amongst the three teams involved is first.  What is second?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on February 18, 2011, 09:05:17 AM
The next tiebreaker is the next best win in SCIAC. ie, if CMS and Redlands tie and La Verne finishes 3rd, then the Stags would win the tiebreaker because their record vs La Verne was 2-0, while Redlands can finish at best 1-1. This is the way it was in 08-09, and I believe this is how it still is. if they have identical records vs other opponents, then I think it goes to a coin toss. I believe this happened to Pomona and CLU in 08-09.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cmsme on February 20, 2011, 01:16:41 PM
I went to the Caltech/CMS game.  It was a lot closer for a lot longer than I expected.  But they had 3 people that played 40 minutes.  I was impressed.  They have a lot of freshmen, and they were able to shoot in the face of CMS defense.


On a non-basketball note, I just saw article on the CMS website that Claremont will be hosting the 2012 National D3 Track & Field championships.   :o
My hat is off to Coach Goldhammer, and Mike Sutton. 
FYI:The CMS men have been league champions for the last 19 years, and the women have almost as good a record.

http://www.cmsathletics.org/sports/track/2010-11/releases/2012_T-F_Championships
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: breakfromcoaching on February 20, 2011, 02:43:33 PM
Oxy vs Caltech Tues 2/22- It'll be interesting to see how both teams come out. 

Oxy has been eliminated from the SCIAC playoffs.   After expending so much energy the past couple weeks getting back in contention, how much will they have left in the tank?   On the other hand, this is Caltech's last chance this year to get that elusive conference win. 

Should be a great game to watch other than Whittier and Cal Lu's winner take all for the last playoff spot.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 22, 2011, 11:34:37 AM
Tonight's schedule, all games 7:30 p.m.:

Oxy (12-12, 6-7 SCIAC) @ Caltech (4-20, 0-13)
Claremont (14-9, 10-3) @ Pomona (9-15, 4-9)
Whittier (12-12, 7-6) @ Cal Lutheran (13-11, 7-6)
Redlands (13-11, 10-3) @ La Verne (13-11, 8-5)

Game of the Night: Whittier @ CLU. Winner makes the conference tournament as the #4 seed. Even if La Verne loses to Redlands, ULV will be the #3 seed because it has the tiebreaker against both Cal Lutheran and Whittier; the Leopards swept CLU, and ULV split with Redlands while WC was swept by UR.

Redlands will be the #1 seed if the Bulldogs end up in a first place tie with Claremont.

Oxy came back from 0-4 to challenge for a spot in the SCIAC tournament, but was eliminated by CLU. Tonight the Tigers will try to not become the answer to a trivia question.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: (509)Rat on February 22, 2011, 12:14:34 PM
Sounds like Oxy v Cal Tech is the game of the night...what means more, the Beavers' first SCIAC win in several hundred tries or 4th place in a conference that isn't that good anyway?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 22, 2011, 12:57:47 PM
Quote from: (509)Rat on February 22, 2011, 12:14:34 PM
what means more, the Beavers' first SCIAC win in several hundred tries or 4th place in a conference that isn't that good anyway?

When you put it like that you're probably right.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on February 23, 2011, 12:19:57 AM
Caltech wins!!!  Elmquist huge on senior night!!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 23, 2011, 12:32:04 AM
I'm two time zones away, and yet I still heard OxyBob's head explode.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CMSfan on February 23, 2011, 01:04:25 AM
CMS 59, P-P 44

Box Score: http://www.cmsathletics.org/sports/mbkb/2010-11/files/CMS-PP.HTM (http://www.cmsathletics.org/sports/mbkb/2010-11/files/CMS-PP.HTM)

A great night!  Stags complete the season sweep and Caltech gets a win.

The game here in Claremont wasn't much to watch.  The Stags played a solid game.  The Sagehens were pretty awful, shooting 34% overall and 2-15 from 3pt range.  Not much more to say.  Looking forward to the SCIAC tournament!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CMSfan on February 23, 2011, 01:19:46 AM
Here's the story from Caltech's website, with video of the final shot and ensuing celebration: http://www.gocaltech.com/sports/mbkb/2010-11/releases/20110223mscsko (http://www.gocaltech.com/sports/mbkb/2010-11/releases/20110223mscsko)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 3MAPS on February 23, 2011, 01:44:42 AM
From a Caltech players parent:
Quick but meaningful thank you to the Oxy Team and Coaches for handling the moment with CLASS!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: playball on February 23, 2011, 02:07:13 AM
Quote from: CMSfan on February 23, 2011, 01:19:46 AM
Here's the story from Caltech's website, with video of the final shot and ensuing celebration: http://www.gocaltech.com/sports/mbkb/2010-11/releases/20110223mscsko (http://www.gocaltech.com/sports/mbkb/2010-11/releases/20110223mscsko)

Good for them!  Talk about an ecstatic coach!  Looking at the box score though, only 12 made fgs and won, wow
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 23, 2011, 02:54:56 AM
Eyewitness report from Pasadena:

Caltech 46, Oxy 45

Well, I didn't want to see it, but I didn't want to miss it. Congratulations to Caltech on its long-awaited conference victory.

The Tigers have no one to blame but themselves. They led 45-37 at 4:30 but didn't score the rest of the way. Caltech only shot 24.5% from the floor, to 47.5% for Oxy. The Tigers held Mike Edwards (15.4 ppg) to 2 points. Ryan Elmquist was only 4-for-16 from the floor, but Oxy kept fouling him and Elmquist kept shooting FTs and making them, 15-for-19 in all (10-for-10 in the 1st half).

Game ball to Marcus Lucas, who came off the Caltech bench and grabbed 5 offensive rebs in 11 min and had a key put back to pull CIT within one at 10:30.

For CIT, Elmquist scored 23 and 9 rebs, and Todd Cramer had 10. For Oxy, Kris Montoya played a solid game with 15 pts, and Jake Copithorne had 16 rebs. Jack Hanley, coming off a 33-point game against CLU, was held to 4 pts on only 2-for-5.

Rick Greenwald can finally add an epilogue to Quantum Hoops.

Speaking of congratulations, great job by Cal Lutheran to win its last 4 and clinch the 4th spot in the conference tournament with its 84-76 win over Whittier. Congratulations also to Rich Reed, who coached La Verne to its first appearance in the SCIAC tournament. Congratulations to Jim Ducey and Redlands. The Bulldogs are SCIAC co-champs for the first time since '89-'90. And congratulations to Claremont, which lost all-star Chris Blees and still persevered to win a share of the conference championship.

SCIAC tournament: CLU @ Redlands in Currier Gym, and La Verne @ Claremont in the Temple of Doom. CLU's got a chance as long as they are not going to rely on Aaron Van Klaveren shooting FTs. ULV needs huge games from Trevor Woodland and Austin Napolitano to win at CMS.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on February 23, 2011, 03:06:50 AM
espn article!

http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/news/story?id=6149755
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on February 23, 2011, 03:13:14 AM
I agree with oxybob on game ball to Marcus Lucas...

How about a Caltech Beaver record 5 turnovers in the game....compared to oxy's 13...

Elmquist 23 points, 9 rebound and 4 blocks....15 of 19 from the line.

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on February 23, 2011, 03:21:41 AM
video of end of game sequence plus coach comments

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2011/02/22/finally-caltech-losing-streak-comes-to-an-end/
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on February 23, 2011, 03:24:00 AM
fox's video coverage

http://www.myfoxla.com/dpp/sports/caltech-wins-first-mens-basketball-conference-game-since-85-20110222
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 23, 2011, 08:20:54 AM
Thanks to the links for the video coverage.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on February 23, 2011, 09:51:48 AM
Break up the Beavers! :P
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hugenerd on February 23, 2011, 09:53:39 AM
Quote from: Gray Fox on February 23, 2011, 09:51:48 AM
Break up the Beavers! :P

Congrats to Caltech!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 23, 2011, 09:56:45 AM
Wanted to add my congratulations to Caltech!

Nice crowd there, too - good to see that much support for the team.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 23, 2011, 11:04:23 AM
Quote from: WoostAr on February 23, 2011, 03:06:50 AM
espn article!

http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/news/story?id=6149755

A lot of national news sites and media outlets are carrying this story. It's a major "human interest" piece this morning.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: deiscanton on February 23, 2011, 11:08:06 AM
Congrats to Caltech on finally getting a conference victory.  Great job!  
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 23, 2011, 11:30:28 AM
Quote from: WoostAr on February 23, 2011, 03:24:00 AM
fox's video coverage

http://www.myfoxla.com/dpp/sports/caltech-wins-first-mens-basketball-conference-game-since-85-20110222

This one is worth sitting through the pre-roll ad for. The CBSlocal one is the same video we have on our site and Caltech has on theirs and there is no ad.

http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2011/02/caltech-ends-sciac-streak
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 23, 2011, 12:49:37 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 23, 2011, 11:30:28 AM
The CBSlocal one is the same video we have on our site and Caltech has on theirs and there is no ad.

QuoteForced to foul, Occidental put Elmquist back on the line, where he sunk the first shot and missed the second.

The game was tied. Oxy wasn't forced to foul Elmquist. They chose to keep fouling him.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 23, 2011, 12:58:09 PM
Thanks. At the time we wrote this we had a box score and a three-paragraph story from Caltech that we were trying to draw from. Having seen the Fox video does clear that up.

Appreciate you chiming in.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciacguru on February 23, 2011, 12:59:13 PM
Anyone else notice that there is something missing in the Oxy/CIT box score? No Deshun Mccoy?

Quote from: OxyBob on February 23, 2011, 02:54:56 AM
Eyewitness report from Pasadena:

Caltech 46, Oxy 45

Well, I didn't want to see it, but I didn't want to miss it. Congratulations to Caltech on its long-awaited conference victory.

The Tigers have no one to blame but themselves. They led 45-37 at 4:30 but didn't score the rest of the way. Caltech only shot 24.5% from the floor, to 47.5% for Oxy. The Tigers held Mike Edwards (15.4 ppg) to 2 points. Ryan Elmquist was only 4-for-16 from the floor, but Oxy kept fouling him and Elmquist kept shooting FTs and making them, 15-for-19 in all (10-for-10 in the 1st half).

Game ball to Marcus Lucas, who came off the Caltech bench and grabbed 5 offensive rebs in 11 min and had a key put back to pull CIT within one at 10:30.

For CIT, Elmquist scored 23 and 9 rebs, and Todd Cramer had 10. For Oxy, Kris Montoya played a solid game with 15 pts, and Jake Copithorne had 16 rebs. Jack Hanley, coming off a 33-point game against CLU, was held to 4 pts on only 2-for-5.

Rick Greenwald can finally add an epilogue to Quantum Hoops.

Speaking of congratulations, great job by Cal Lutheran to win its last 4 and clinch the 4th spot in the conference tournament with its 84-76 win over Whittier. Congratulations also to Rich Reed, who coached La Verne to its first appearance in the SCIAC tournament. Congratulations to Jim Ducey and Redlands. The Bulldogs are SCIAC co-champs for the first time since '89-'90. And congratulations to Claremont, which lost all-star Chris Blees and still persevered to win a share of the conference championship.

SCIAC tournament: CLU @ Redlands in Currier Gym, and La Verne @ Claremont in the Temple of Doom. CLU's got a chance as long as they are not going to rely on Aaron Van Klaveren shooting FTs. ULV needs huge games from Trevor Woodland and Austin Napolitano to win at CMS.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 23, 2011, 01:13:53 PM
Quote from: sciacguru on February 23, 2011, 12:59:13 PM
Anyone else notice that there is something missing in the Oxy/CIT box score? No Deshun Mccoy?

He was dressed and warmed up. He looked happy and loose on the bench. Coaches told me he was injured.

Caltech made 12 baskets in 40 minutes. They shot 25% from the field. Oxy had an 8-point lead and went the last 4:30 without scoring. This is what you get when you play not to lose.

McCoy didn't play. Injuries happen. No excuses. Scoreboard to the Techers.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 23, 2011, 03:59:46 PM
Final Regional Rankings are out before Selection Sunday: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/category/ncaa-stuff/regional-rankings/
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on February 23, 2011, 06:52:10 PM
There was a press conference today at Caltech...all major news outlets were there.  I expect there will be lots of stories on the evening news.

Some of the info is here... http://www.usatoday.com/sports/columnist/lopresti/2011-02-23-caltech-wins_N.htm

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 2RMCFans on February 23, 2011, 07:10:22 PM
Just chiming in from the South Region, we just saw the story on CBS evening news reported by Katie Couric (also a person w/Virginia ties)!  Her story led us to quit "focusing on ourselves" & read the terrific d3hoops story entirely.  Way to go, CalTech! 

This just goes to show that when you never give up, you always have the chance to succeed!

BRAVO!!!!  Best wishes for the future!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D O.C. on February 23, 2011, 10:35:56 PM
O   :'(

CT   ;D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldchap on February 24, 2011, 02:58:42 AM
Quote from: oldchap on January 12, 2011, 02:57:36 PM
All I can say is, I wouldn't want to be the first SCIAC team to lose to CalTech.... and it may happen this year.

That's what I wrote earlier this year and I was right (the purists will note that I used the verb "may" instead of "will", however the intent was there).

Little did I know that Occidental College would be that team....how ironic...

Here are some quotes that will go down in history:

Quote from: OxyBob on January 09, 2011, 01:56:56 AM
As for Caltech, yeah they are better, but they're basically a two-man team with no bench whatsoever. The Beavers are scrappy and hustle, and if an opponent has an off night or takes them lightly and lets them hang around then CIT may finally get a SCIAC win. However, until they do, they're still Caltech.

OxyBob

Quote from: OxyBob on January 11, 2011, 10:08:38 AM
Quote all the stats you like. Not impressed. Win a freaking conference game already, then crow away. What Rich Reed said.

OxyBob

Quote from: OxyBob on January 11, 2011, 04:25:28 PM
I read all of the hype on here about Caltech. I went to see for myself, and as with 99% of things in life, reality didn't live up to the hype. Pointing that out bugs some people. Oh, well.

OxyBob

And finally the quote which wins the cake...

Quote from: OxyBob on January 27, 2011, 11:02:33 AM
Caltech has improved its game, and even has some swagger and attitude, and a couple of chippy players. It was fun to see so many CIT fans there cheering them on, hoping to see Caltech finally break its SCIAC losing streak, which is now up to 303.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: playball on February 24, 2011, 03:21:27 AM
Quote from: oldchap on February 24, 2011, 02:58:42 AM
Quote from: oldchap on January 12, 2011, 02:57:36 PM
All I can say is, I wouldn't want to be the first SCIAC team to lose to CalTech.... and it may happen this year.

That's what I wrote earlier this year and I was right (the purists will note that I used the verb "may" instead of "will", however the intent was there).

Little did I know that Occidental College would be that team....how ironic...

Here are some quotes that will go down in history:

Quote from: OxyBob on January 09, 2011, 01:56:56 AM
As for Caltech, yeah they are better, but they're basically a two-man team with no bench whatsoever. The Beavers are scrappy and hustle, and if an opponent has an off night or takes them lightly and lets them hang around then CIT may finally get a SCIAC win. However, until they do, they're still Caltech.

OxyBob

Quote from: OxyBob on January 11, 2011, 10:08:38 AM
Quote all the stats you like. Not impressed. Win a freaking conference game already, then crow away. What Rich Reed said.

OxyBob

Quote from: OxyBob on January 11, 2011, 04:25:28 PM
I read all of the hype on here about Caltech. I went to see for myself, and as with 99% of things in life, reality didn't live up to the hype. Pointing that out bugs some people. Oh, well.

OxyBob

And finally the quote which wins the cake...

Quote from: OxyBob on January 27, 2011, 11:02:33 AM
Caltech has improved its game, and even has some swagger and attitude, and a couple of chippy players. It was fun to see so many CIT fans there cheering them on, hoping to see Caltech finally break its SCIAC losing streak, which is now up to 303.

OxyBob

Dont usually post/or follow this board but thought I would start after that Caltech win over an alright Oxy team.   These quotes are hilarious, good work!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 24, 2011, 11:02:30 AM
Bill Plaschke in the Los Angeles Times:

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-plaschke-caltech-basketball-20110224,0,4852062.column

Great photo of Doc Eslinger celebrating the win (right click for larger image):

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.latimes.com%2Fmedia%2Fphoto%2F2011-02%2F59638649.jpg&hash=3949e421a5afc77afa1d15a25574b26be6d917d8)

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hoopsallthetime on February 24, 2011, 11:44:05 AM
"And if that process includes celebrating your first conference win in 26 years with a press party the next day that includes balloons and doughnuts and messy-haired nerds talking breathlessly about redeeming last chances, well, surely no national title celebration has ever felt sweeter." -Bill Plaschke

I wonder want happened on the OXY campus. Was there a press conference, donuts and balloons? It would be nice to hear what the Oxy players and Coaches have to say about this historic night!!!!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 24, 2011, 12:42:30 PM
Quote from: Hoopsallthetime on February 24, 2011, 11:44:05 AM
I wonder want happened on the OXY campus. Was there a press conference, donuts and balloons? It would be nice to hear what the Oxy players and Coaches have to say about this historic night!!!!

Oxy did hold a press conference. Here it is:

http://tinyurl.com/2pbxrk

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wildcat11 on February 24, 2011, 01:02:00 PM
OB,

+1,000 for not cutting and running after Oxy loss.  There have been a large number of posters that closed up shop for good after their team took a loss that are nowhere near the historic footnote that the Tigers are now a part of.  Good for you for taking it and to continue posting.

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hoopsallthetime on February 24, 2011, 01:07:39 PM
I have to say I thought the Champan posters would come at Oxybob a lot harder than they did. But you have to give him credit, he sticks behind his team and doesn't give any excuses. He is a proud supporter and we can only hope he continues to support them in the years to come. Hope to see you at the Tournament!

Congrats to Caltech on a great win...now its time to turn our attention to the tournament this weekend.

Friday
Cal Lutheran @ Redlands
Laverne @ CMS

Cal Lutheran has a great opportunity to knock off the #1 seed Redlands in this game. I think Cal Lu is playing great basketball right now, and will not be nervous about this game at all. Heck, they have been playing for there lives the last 3 games just to make it into the tournament. Redlands will have a great atmosphere and I'm sure the crowd will be buzzing. I think the game will come down to whether or not Cal Lutheran can control the paint and not allow Redlands to get easy baskets. Cal Lu will also have to get in the faces of the Redlands 3-point shooters. I see this game being very close. My mind tells me that Cal Lutheran pulls this one out by 2. Final Score: 65-63

CMS goes for there third straight Conference Tournament Championship. The Stags came out and played very well against Pomona and will  be ready for Laverne's third shot. Laverne will play hard and will continue to go at the Stags. If the Stags can control  Trevor Woodland like they did the last time at Ducey Gym, then I see the Stags winning by 8. If Laverne can keep it close, they may have a chance to pull it out. I believe the last couple of minutes of the game will make the biggest impact. Once Laverne goes to there "hack a shaq" attack, CMS will have to bunker down and hit there free throws. CMS wins this game by 8 behind Lacey and Anderson. Score: 56-48


Congrats to the Stags for Sharing the SCIAC regular season title with Redlands. 3 years in a row as SCIAC champions is tough to do. Now let's win the SCIAC Tournament and get another shot at Chapman!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 24, 2011, 01:34:23 PM
Quote from: Hoopsallthetime on February 24, 2011, 01:07:39 PM
I have to say I thought the Champan posters would come at Oxybob a lot harder than they did.

Oh, please, like I care what oldchump says. And nice to see a Linfield b-baller jumping on the Caltech bandwagon. 9-16. Wow. As wildcat11 once said:

QuoteWe have a basketball team?  Only 239 days until Linfield opens up football fall camp!

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on February 24, 2011, 02:45:43 PM
Hoopsallthetime:

If Lewis and Clark, currently ranked regionally, is selected for the tourney, I would not be surprised to see Whitworth hosting a four team pod as what happened last year in the first round of the women's tourney where the SCIAC  champ and Chapman
were flown to the NW.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldchap on February 24, 2011, 02:47:02 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 24, 2011, 01:34:23 PM
Quote from: Hoopsallthetime on February 24, 2011, 01:07:39 PM
I have to say I thought the Champan posters would come at Oxybob a lot harder than they did.

Oh, please, like I care what oldchump says.

OxyBob

I didn't say anything, Oxybutt... my post were your exact words.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hoopsallthetime on February 24, 2011, 02:54:43 PM
Quote from: dahlby on February 24, 2011, 02:45:43 PM
Hoopsallthetime:

If Lewis and Clark, currently ranked regionally, is selected for the tourney, I would not be surprised to see Whitworth hosting a four team pod as what happened last year in the first round of the women's tourney where the SCIAC  champ and Chapman
were flown to the NW.

I easily could see that happen, but I can almost promise you that Chapman will host the 1st round game due to expenses. The NCAA does not want to spend the money to send two So. California teams up to the NW when they can save money and have one eliminated here. With the NCAA its all about money. I wish it wasn't this way because I think it takes away from the overall experience for the college athlete. It is what it is, so Chapman get ready to host a first round game. I can't see it happening any other way in my opinion!

I hope CMS makes the Tournament because I think they will be able to give Chapman a better overall game than Redlands, Cal Lu or Laverne. I think having Remy Penson will certainly help CMS chances, because it really hurt not having him the first time.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on February 24, 2011, 03:47:17 PM
Coach Eslinger will be coaching washington Capitals tonight against the Harlem Globetrotters.  Let's see if he can snap a 40 year losing streak while he's at it.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 24, 2011, 03:53:06 PM
Quote from: WoostAr on February 24, 2011, 03:47:17 PM
Coach Eslinger will be coaching washington Capitals tonight against the Harlem Globetrotters.  Let's see if he can snap a 40 year losing streak while he's at it.

If he can, I'd say he's a lock for Coach of the Year! :D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: steveflegel on February 24, 2011, 04:41:48 PM
"Coach Eslinger will be coaching washington Capitals tonight against the Harlem Globetrotters.  Let's see if he can snap a 40 year losing streak while he's at it."

WoostAr - will that be hockey played on hardwood, or basketball played on ice?  I'm more likely to pay to watch the second one.   ;)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on February 24, 2011, 05:08:22 PM
Quote from: WoostAr on February 24, 2011, 03:47:17 PM
Coach Eslinger will be coaching washington Capitals tonight against the Harlem Globetrotters.  Let's see if he can snap a 40 year losing streak while he's at it.
A new approach.  Play the Globetrotters with a hockey team. :o  The coach is really a genius.  Now if he's really good, they'll let him coach the Washington Generals tomorrow night. :-*
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 24, 2011, 05:44:16 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on February 24, 2011, 05:08:22 PM
Now if he's really good, they'll let him coach the Washington Generals tomorrow night.

He got the Gatorade vat dumped on him after the victory over Oxy. If he's coaching the Generals then he better watch out for the pail of confetti.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cmsme on February 24, 2011, 11:47:12 PM
Congratulations to Caltech and Elmquist.  It was nice to see them win in such a movie story kind of way.  8-) They shot well when they played CMS, so I am hoping that next year is good too.

I watched a CBS interview with Coach Newhall before the game.  He was very charming, laughing about how everyone was rooting for Caltech, even his daughter.  He seemed to handle the prospect of a loss with grace.  They also interviewed that Gregg Popovitch as the last coach to loose to Caltech, so I am sure that added to the joke.

People were saying that Tuesday's game was the first time that CMS had beat Pomona Pitzer at their gym.  How old is that gym?

OxyBob--I loved that picture of the Caltech coach that you posted.  We should all be that happy someday.

Looking forward to the tournament.  And I am going to go with that basketball wisdom that it is difficult to beat a good team 3 times in one season.

GO STAGS 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CMSfan on February 25, 2011, 01:30:27 AM
Quote from: cmsme on February 24, 2011, 11:47:12 PM
Looking forward to the tournament.  And I am going to go with that basketball wisdom that it is difficult to beat a good team 3 times in one season.

Let's hope La Verne doesn't qualify as a good team.   ;D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 25, 2011, 04:10:41 PM
Quote from: wildcat11 on February 24, 2011, 01:02:00 PM
OB,

+1,000 for not cutting and running after Oxy loss.  There have been a large number of posters that closed up shop for good after their team took a loss that are nowhere near the historic footnote that the Tigers are now a part of.  Good for you for taking it and to continue posting.

Yep. I'll say this for O-Bob: Love him or hate him, he shows up and faces the music, even in the wake of what can only be described as a humiliating loss of epic magnitude suffered by his Tigers. The number of fans who would do that, even those who are regular d3boards.com posters, is pretty small.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: playball on February 25, 2011, 04:41:57 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 24, 2011, 01:34:23 PM
Quote from: Hoopsallthetime on February 24, 2011, 01:07:39 PM
I have to say I thought the Champan posters would come at Oxybob a lot harder than they did.

Oh, please, like I care what oldchump says. And nice to see a Linfield b-baller jumping on the Caltech bandwagon. 9-16. Wow. As wildcat11 once said:

QuoteWe have a basketball team?  Only 239 days until Linfield opens up football fall camp!

OxyBob

Oh Bob, no need to get your feelings hurt!  I just think its funny when people say stuff on here and then revisit it later!  And has the SCIAC won up north in a while? Just curious...
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 25, 2011, 06:45:10 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 25, 2011, 04:10:41 PM
Love him or hate him, he shows up and faces the music, even in the wake of what can only be described as a humiliating loss of epic magnitude suffered by his Tigers.

I love you, too, man.

I have received telephone calls, email, and Facebook wall postings from a whole bunch of rat bastards friends who I haven't heard from in a long time.

At least it was warm in CIT's gym. Speaking of humiliating losses of epic magnitude, I was on the sidelines for this:

http://articles.latimes.com/1985-12-03/sports/sp-12897_1_occidental-college

I wish it wasn't Oxy who Caltech beat to end the streak, but I would have been upset if I'd missed it.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etule on February 25, 2011, 08:10:47 PM
Oxy Bob's passion for OXY is awesome! It was going to happen sometime. As I told one of the players that's a hell of a way to get on Sports Center!

It's all in fun and the kids also realise it is just A GAME. PERHAPS ONE PEOPLE WILL NOT LET THEM FORGET. Keeps YOU HUMBLE!
Sports have a way teaching life lessons! ;D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CalCat on February 25, 2011, 09:35:21 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 25, 2011, 06:45:10 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 25, 2011, 04:10:41 PM
Love him or hate him, he shows up and faces the music, even in the wake of what can only be described as a humiliating loss of epic magnitude suffered by his Tigers.

I love you, too, man.

I have received telephone calls, email, and Facebook wall postings from a whole bunch of rat bastards friends who I haven't heard from in a long time.

At least it was warm in CIT's gym. Speaking of humiliating losses of epic magnitude, I was on the sidelines for this:

http://articles.latimes.com/1985-12-03/sports/sp-12897_1_occidental-college

I wish it wasn't Oxy who Caltech beat to end the streak, but I would have been upset if I'd missed it.

OxyBob

Bob...just one question...are you going to attend the 30 year reunion game in 2041 ?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on February 25, 2011, 10:16:33 PM
I guess they are still friends.

http://media.caltech.edu/events/123115
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on February 25, 2011, 10:29:16 PM
Like Bob said, happy as heck for the Beavers, just really didn't envision Oxy being the answer to the trivia question that will linger long after we're all gone. And in a surprising turn of events, this just in . . . life goes on!  Moreover, as another friend of mine put it, it is merely a sign of Oxy's continued growth in academic excellence!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 26, 2011, 12:49:42 PM
Last night's scores:

Redlands 68 Cal Lutheran 58

UR: Sanvictores 16 pts and 8 rebs, Dietrich 12, Keating 10 assists
CLU: Grimm 18, Nettles 12, Van Klaveren 10 pts and 10 rebs, Sulker-Hall 10

CLU led 3-0. After that it was all Redlands. UR led by 8 at halftime, and blew the game open in the 2nd half.

Claremont 68, La Verne 62

CMS: Sullivan 16, Gaffaney 10
ULV: Napolitano 15 pts and 9 rebs, Woodland 13, Bastos and Wolpe 10 each

Claremont led 52-39 at 10:00. ULV got it down to 4 a couple of times but couldn't get over.

Tonight's SCIAC final:

Claremont (16-9) @ Redlands (15-11)

Redlands defeated CMS 65-55 on 1/29 and 77-69 on 2/16. Currier will be rocking.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on February 26, 2011, 05:01:14 PM
Quote from: cmsme on February 24, 2011, 11:47:12 PM

People were saying that Tuesday's game was the first time that CMS had beat Pomona Pitzer at their gym.  How old is that gym?

GO STAGS 

The last win the Stags had @ PP was 05-06. Stags won a thriller there in the 2nd half of conference punctuated by a John Parsons dunk with under a minute to go to put the stags up by 4 and seal the win. They had lost 5 straight after that (4 conference and the 07-08 tournament final) before this year.


Eyewitness report from last night at Ducey:

A late arriving CMS crowd and boisterous La Verne section made for a quiet first 5 minutes of the game as the Stags controlled tempo and pace from the start. Tyler Gaffney set the pace early with 2 strong drives to the basket as the Stags were not content running their motion around the perimeter, taking advantage of La Verne's overly aggressive defense and slow rotations.

Things were very very physical from the get go and the Stags soon found themselves in serious foul trouble. Lacey was strapped with 2 fouls and say the last 8-9 minutes for the 1st half, while Sullivan, Smith, Pinson all picked up 2 fouls early in the 1st half as well. La Verne's game plan was VERY simple: get the ball inside to Wolpe and Napolitano and play off them. Once the ball got inside though, it was a black hole. My guess is that on 85% of their post touches they made a move to the basket to score. They were strictly going to their right and were drawing fouls galore. They ended up going to the line a combined 12 times in the 1st half as well as shooting 10-13 additional times. Woodland was also key in their plan, bombing 3s from deep.

a HUGE shoutout has to go to Sean Duncan. At the start of the season Duncan was saddled as the 3rd string big behind Lacey and Blue, but after Blue went down with his injury, he was asked to spot Scali 2 minutes a game in case of foul trouble. From all accounts, the guy is a warrior in practice and pushes the starters everyday, and it was good see him perform well last night. With Lacey saddled with 2 fouls, Duncan was put in a situation to guard Napolitano or Wolpe and readily responded to the challenge. He drew 2 charges as well as a block and made their lives considerably difficult. On the offensive end he got his first points of the season by banking in a free throw and going 4-4 from the line. In my mind, he was the unsung hero of the 1st half.

The Stags controlled the game through the half and ended up 11. In the second half, La Verne continued to pound the ball inside, but the Stags continued to dig down and make life difficult for the bigs. They gang rebounded and were able to strech the lead to 14 at one point. Then, in typical Stag fashion, they opened to door for La Verne. The Leos went on a quick 9-0 run, and from there the game remained in the 4-8 point range. With just over a minute to go and the Stags up 58-54, Sullivan came up with a huge driving layup to put the stags up 6, and after another stop, Joey Anderson put the stags up 8, and essentially sealed the win.

The player of the 2nd half has to be Kevin Sullivan. I was sitting with Faught Bagby and Toney at the game, and at the start of the half after Sullivan got a nice curl cut layup and saw the ball go through the hoop we all looked at each other and said he had that look in his eye. He proceeded to hit 2 3s and have come up with timely shots for the Stags and finished with 16 points.

As usual, the Stags scored and rebounded by committee. They did a great job on the boards considering they were undersized.

Onto Tonight:

It comes down to one thing: heart.

Both teams are playing their 3rd game in 5nights and a back-to-back. Most of the guys will be playing on adrenaline. Coaches will keep their game plans simple, and we'll probably see a haphazard game for a bit. Redlands has never been in this position, while CMS is doing this for the 4th straight year. The home team has won the previous 3 championships.

No prediction from me tonight. Should be a GREAT game and INTENSE atmosphere as the teams play in an elimination game for a coveted NCAA bid. See you at the game!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on February 26, 2011, 07:19:05 PM
Too bad tonight's game won't be video'd. It should be a tight game. I am pulling for the Stags because the CMS/CU games have been very close before. That is assuming that they will be matched in the first round. Last year's game at Chapman was one of the tightest and noisiest D3 games I have ever watched.

CMS is a class program, coming back this year time after time despite the injuries and all.
I had the priviledge to meet several of the players at the CMS/CU football game last fall. What a mature group of students. Very impressed!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CMSfan on February 27, 2011, 12:18:26 AM
Congrats to Redlands and Coach Ducey on the tournament victory. Wish I could have been there tonight, though I suppose I'm thankful I won't have to drive home after a tough loss.

Nice to see a great season from Redlands, even if it had to come at the expense of the Stags.  I wish Redlands all the best against Chapman (or whoever).  Represent SCIAC well!

Now begins the long countdown to next season...

(Well, except for Redlands).

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 27, 2011, 12:38:21 PM
Quote from: CMSfan on February 27, 2011, 12:18:26 AM
Congrats to Redlands and Coach Ducey on the tournament victory.

Redlands 63 Claremont 54

The game was tied 8-8 at 15:20. Redlands scored 13 straight and led 21-8 at 11:40, and led 30-22 at halftime. In the second half, Claremont cut UR's lead to 41-39 at 10:00, but Stephen Call's 3-ball gave the Bulldogs a 54-43 lead at 5:45 and that was your ballgame.

UR: Tristan Kirk 14, Matt Dietrich 11
CMS: Patrick Lacey 13, Joey Anderson 11

Congratulations to Redlands. UR was 11-3 in conference play, and beat Claremont 3 times. Good luck to the Bulldogs in the NCAA playoffs.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on February 27, 2011, 06:23:35 PM
Just wanted to give a big congratulations to the University of Redlands basketball team and Coach Ducey. I've always felt that Redlands had the potential to be a good hoops program but about 15 years of loyalty to Gary Smith stunted the program with no growth at all. Good luck to the Dawgs in the postseason and here is to a bright future.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cmsme on February 28, 2011, 05:52:10 PM
REDLANDS--good luck against Chapman and Whitworth.  You are tall, you are big and you shoot well.  I will be rooting for you--assuming there is video.   ;)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on February 28, 2011, 06:14:55 PM
cmsme,
I understand your SCIAC loyalty. I still have a ton of respect for the CMS program. They will be back next year.

There will at least be audio and livestats. I know Chapman is working on a video program, but don't know if it will be up in time for this weekend. I will find out and post for all you SCIACers.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on February 28, 2011, 06:39:07 PM
Congrats to Redlands - Have to tip my hat to them, they hit shot after shot when it seemed like CMS was going to make a run. After the 13-0 run to go up 21-8 the Stags were in catchup mode all night.

Game changing play was the over-the-back and subsequent Technical foul on Joey Anderson as the Stags were close with around 10 minutes to go. That gave him 4 fouls and gave the Bulldogs ball and momentum. Tough play, I didn't see what caused the T, but Joey is one of the calmest guys I know, so I'm curious what caused it.

No excuses at all though, Redlands was the better team on Saturday. They have peaked at the perfect time as well, shooting the lights out and really playing well defensively.

They should matchup really well vs Chapman, but playing at Hutton is always difficult. The winner of that game will be thrown into the gauntlet in Spokane against arguably the best team in the nation with one of the best home courts around.

Looking forward to following this week.

Dalhby, any insight on how the Panthers have been playing lately and what their vibe is?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldchap on February 28, 2011, 06:49:40 PM
Quote from: stag44 on February 28, 2011, 06:39:07 PM
Dalhby, any insight on how the Panthers have been playing lately and what their vibe is?

If the Panthers play like they did in T.O. against Cal Lu, then Redlands will have no problem beating them. If they play like they did this weekend, then watch out! In other words, despite the fact that it's a home game for Chapman and they are slight favorite, it is still anybody's game. That's why the NBA runs series in the playoffs. Over one game, although the outcome is more or less bound to certain odds, anything can happen.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on February 28, 2011, 07:24:27 PM
stagg44,

As you are aware, January/February are trying months for the Panthers, as the team has limited quality opposition.  They will be hard pressed to pick up their game, after weekend games in Santa Cruz, although UCSC always plays Chapman physically and stays in the game.  Against La Sierra recently, Chapman had a weak first half and beginniing second half, down by around 15 points at one time, but came back with a quality run in the last few minutes to win. La Sierra is a very physical team. After watching the Eagles in person, I can understand how they could beat a good Cal Lu team.

Here's hoping that CU is well rested. Starters did not have to book too many minutes last weekend. If they can hit the hoops on Thursday in the first half, they should win. But, it seems that the rims are smaller for Chapman in the first half. CU has good ballhandlers, rebounds well and can play a tough defensive game. They move the ball well under Coach Bo's well disciplined offense and have the patience to wait for the good shot. Chapman is deep enough on the bench to establish a good rotation off the bench and give the starters a rest. IMHO, it ill come down to first half shooting.

If Chapman has the same student body support that they had against CMS last year in the first game  of the playoffs, that will work to their advantage as well.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 02 Warhawk on March 02, 2011, 04:08:20 PM
Rick Reilly article on the front page of ESPN.com

First win for Caltech (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/news/story?id=6170690)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on March 02, 2011, 05:15:50 PM
All-SCIAC teams:

First Team

Greg Grimm SR CLU
Patrick Lacey SR Claremont
Jack Hanley JR Oxy
Tristan Kirk SO Redlands
Xavyr Moss SO Pomona
Austin Napolitano JR La Verne
   
Second Team

Trevor Woodland JR La Verne
Joey Andersen JR Claremont
Da'Mon Perry SR Whittier
Todd Cramer FR Caltech
Deshun McCoy SO Oxy
Jordan Sanvictores SR Redlands

David Wells Player of the Year: Andrew Mills SR Redlands

Ted Ducey Award: Ryan Elmquist SR Caltech

The Ted Ducey Award is given to a SCIAC senior who best exemplifies the high ideals demonstrated by Coach Ted Ducey. The criteria includes ability, leadership, sportsmanship, determination and academic pursuits.

From the San Bernardino Sun:

Quote
The SCIAC champion University of Redlands basketball team has drawn Chapman (24-3) as a first-round playoff opponent. The announcement was made Monday morning to no one's surprise.

Travel costs are a big consideration when it comes to NCAA Division III playoff draws, leading to matchups of teams that are within commuter distance of each other.

The two teams will square off on Thursday with the winner advancing to play Whitworth (Wash.), which has a first-round bye, on Saturday. That was the same scenario Claremont-Mudd-Scripps had last year when it was the SCIAC's playoff representative.

The Bulldogs (16-11) will be making their first playoff appearance since 1985 when they were directed by longtime coach Gary Smith, current coach Jim Ducey's predecessor.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on March 02, 2011, 05:38:11 PM
For those interested, the Redlands/Chapman contest WILL BE streamed via web on Thursday night. Audio, live stats and video links will be provided via Chapmanathletics.com
 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bbaddict on March 02, 2011, 05:49:03 PM
Thanks for the info Dahlby.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on March 03, 2011, 09:19:40 PM
I'm watching St. John's and Seton Hall play their last few minutes before the UCLA vs Washington is televised.   Steve Lavin has been ejected for St. John's after two technicals,  and the team is now being coached by Mike Dunlap the head coach at CLU about 18 or 20 years ago.  He's had a few chances to be a head D1 coach but hasn't taken them.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: (509)Rat on March 03, 2011, 10:21:06 PM
Interesting game down in Orange, CA. Chapman seems to be dominating the game, but only up by 5...make that 7. Chapman doesn't seem to have anyone outside of Riley (sp?) who wants to pull the trigger. Redlands just doesn't look good...at all.

Students are incredibly polite, sitting down, not making much noise, kudos to them. The folks behind them are undoubtedly appreciative  :D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: (509)Rat on March 03, 2011, 10:57:09 PM
Redlands opens up the second half on a nice run.

Chapman up 26-24
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: (509)Rat on March 03, 2011, 11:22:58 PM
Chapman breaks it open 49-33, 7 min left

This one's over. See you Panther folk in Spokane
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cmsme on March 04, 2011, 01:07:14 PM
 :'(  62-38   :'(  Well, I feel for Redlands.  And I am very interested in what the basketball experts have to say about the game. 
Compared to last Saturday night when Redlands played CMS, the ball just didn't want to drop in.  It would circle 3 times and then just fly out. 
Redland's three point shooting was 15% against Chapman versus 50% against CMS.  And you can say it was the Chapman defense, but Redland's free throw shooting was 46% against Chapman and 80% against CMS.
Redlands and the SCIAC are much better than last night, but I guess we will have to wait until next year to convince anyone.
Dahlby--I am rooting for CHAPMAN   ;)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldchap on March 04, 2011, 02:26:09 PM
Quote from: cmsme on March 04, 2011, 01:07:14 PM
:'(  62-38   :'(  Well, I feel for Redlands.  And I am very interested in what the basketball experts have to say about the game.  
Compared to last Saturday night when Redlands played CMS, the ball just didn't want to drop in.  It would circle 3 times and then just fly out.  
Redland's three point shooting was 15% against Chapman versus 50% against CMS.  And you can say it was the Chapman defense, but Redland's free throw shooting was 46% against Chapman and 80% against CMS.
Redlands and the SCIAC are much better than last night, but I guess we will have to wait until next year to convince anyone.
Dahlby--I am rooting for CHAPMAN   ;)

It's very simple. Chapman this year is an even better team than last year. And I'm not talking necessarily about basketball skills and physical abilities, although they have plenty of that, I'm talking about experience and the intense will to win and go far into the playoffs.

I was at the game yesterday and I saw that in the second half, I could tell that the will, determination, focus and hustle was with Chapman. Yes, you're right: SCIAC is much better than that. But mentally, this Chapman team is as tough as a nails and it comes from two key players: Riley and Ramme. They are both true leaders on the court and give the team its cohesion and character.

It's very unfortunate that they will have to play the number one team in the next round, although I can tell you this. From the words of one of the players who was in Spokane last year: "this year, we know what to expect; it's all business and we're going there to win." The odds are obviously stacked against Chapman, but they're going to be the toughest opposition Whitworth has faced this season and that will be a true test of how good Witworth really is....or are they a collossus with feet of clay?

By the way, cmsme, thank you for the words of encouragements! Chapman very much feels part of the SCIAC family....
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on March 04, 2011, 02:32:48 PM
cmsme:

Thanks for the support, the Panthers are going to need all the help they can get. But, you never know what can happen.

Regarding last night's Redlands/Chapman game, it was very, very ragged for the first 30 minutes or so. Both teams turned the ball over, took bad shots, didn't work the clock, etc.
Yes, CU's defense forced several turnovers, but I also thought, from a lot of expressions on the players' faces that there was a lot of nervous tension out there. The refs allowed the players to play and determiine the outcome, as the game was one of the most physical I have seen in person for several years. (It will be good preparation for Chapman for Saturday night).
Redlands created opportunities last night, but the ball just wouldn't fall for them in the second half. They took themself out of the game somewhat with missed free throws.

The last ten minutes or so Chapman was a different team, dominating and capitalizing on Redlands' miscues, and making several layups and close fast break points.

I was impressed with the fact that Chapman first round tourney games should be
available by streaming video tonight via:    chapmanathletics.com    .
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on March 04, 2011, 03:04:29 PM
Redlands has been a perennial 5-6 place team in the SCIAC for decades. Coach Ducey has a SCIAC conference co-championship and a playoff appearance in only his second year at the helm.

Frankly, I was not expecting Redlands to win last night but the long term growth and potential for the hoops program is really bright. Give Ducey a few more years and some better recruits and they could be well positioned for multiple SCIAC titles and some wins in the postseason.

Congrats to Chapman on the win and good luck against those dirty, stinkin Rats!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cmsme on March 07, 2011, 10:13:44 AM
anyone watch the Chapman / Whitworth game?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on March 07, 2011, 10:44:32 AM
cmsme:

Yes I did,  on a student's lap top during  the George Fox/La. College game over at Chapman on Saturday night, but can't talk about it.*

*OxyBob's rule #4567, section 2, paragraph 3, line 4, "Thou shalt not talk about Chapman on the SCIAC board. And, if they are playing a SCIAC team, one must refer to them as that "Wanna be SCIAC member"."

But, oldchap was there in person, and I am sure that he will soon do a post.

EDIT: cmsme, I tried e mailing you but your address is wrong. Please update by return email.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on March 07, 2011, 04:00:12 PM
Quote from: cmsme on March 07, 2011, 10:13:44 AM
anyone watch the Chapman / Whitworth game?

Chapman never led. Mike Taylor made a 3-pointer at 15:15 to give Whitworth a 9-3 lead. After that Chapman was never in a position to tie or take the lead. Whitworth led 40-27 at the half. After David Riley hit a 3-ball and Taylor made a layup to start the 2nd half, it was 45-27 at 19:25 and game over.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on March 07, 2011, 04:16:00 PM
OxyBob:

Please remember that this is the SCIAC board! :-)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cmsme on March 07, 2011, 06:37:03 PM
Two years ago I did not understand why people were crying about the SCIAC reputation among the rest of the D3--now I do.
Why we loose so badly?   i look at that Top 25 D3 list (which we are never on) and think it is bogus.  I would think Claremont could beat half those teams.  But then, in the playoffs, we get stomped.
I am not a basketball expert, but I thought Redlands and Chapman looked good.  >:(
Maybe next year.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldchap on March 07, 2011, 08:46:22 PM
I will post a complete report soon. In the meantime, let me say this: there is a good reason why Whitworth is ranked #1 and they demonstrated it last Saturday. Chapman fully deserved to be in the playoffs, but although being ranked (12th in d3hoops and 4th regional according to the NCAA), they are nowhere near as good as the Pirates. Nevertheless, Chapman is very proud of what they accomplished this season and if this tournament was properly seeded like in D1, I bet they would have reached the round of 16 or perhaps the round of 8. As for the SCIAC, they have had much better years (Oxy reaching the elite 8) but in any case, I think it would become a more competitive Conference if it accepted Chapman into it!!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on March 09, 2011, 01:07:57 AM
For those who think Chapman has a weak schedule now:

"With 25 wins this season, the Panthers matched the 1935-36 team for the most wins in school history. A few of the Panthers' wins in 1935-36..the Beverly Hills All-Stars, Clifton Cafeteria, La Cerne Creamery and the Surveyor's Red Devils."

Quoted from Chapman University Press Release of 3/8/11 which can be found at :
chapmanathletics.com
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on March 09, 2011, 02:19:20 PM
Quote from: dahlby on March 09, 2011, 01:07:57 AM
For those who think Chapman has a weak schedule now

Aside from 27-1 Whitworth, the combined record of the D-III teams Chapman played this season was 117-167.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on March 09, 2011, 02:49:45 PM
OxyBob:
It took you longer to reply to that softball lob than I thought it would take you to come back with a slammer. The posting was meant to be humerous. I cracked up when I got the SID update in my email. SID's do have a sense of humor after all.

Yes, it is too bad the SCIAC didn't win more non-conference games, the CU SOS would have been better. :-)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldchap on March 09, 2011, 03:32:36 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on March 09, 2011, 02:19:20 PM
Quote from: dahlby on March 09, 2011, 01:07:57 AM
For those who think Chapman has a weak schedule now

Aside from 27-1 Whitworth, the combined record of the D-III teams Chapman played this season was 117-167.

OxyBob

According to the new NCAA calculations, Chapman's strength of schedule this year was better than that of Whitworth . So it doesn't matter how you want to manipulate the numbers to make them look bad for Chapman.

Here is the ranking of all teams that made the post season, plucked right out of a previous post:

1. UW-River Falls, C: .585
2. Rhode Island, A: .576
3. Middlebury, A: .573
4. Williams, C: .558
5. Wittenberg, C: .552
6. Randolph-Macon, A: .548
7. Ithaca, C: .547
8. Illinois Wesleyan, C: .543
9. Hanover, C: .542
10. UW-Stevens Point, A: .540
11. Elms, A: .534
12. Western Conn, C: .531
13. New Jersey City, A: .530
14. Augustana, A: .527
15. Chapman, B: .525
16. Delware Valley, A: .525
17. St. Thomas, A: .523
18. Bethany, A: .519
19. Bridgewater St, A: .519
20. Skidmore, A: .517
21. WPI, C: .516
22. McMurry, A: .515
23. Buffalo St, A: .510
24. Salve Regina, A: .510
25. Mary Hardin-Baylor, C: .508
26. Oswego St, C: .507
27. Ramapo, C: .507
28. Rochester, A: .507
29. Va Wesleyan, C: .506
30. Becker, C: .505
31. Cabrini, A: .504
32. Gwynedd-Mercy, C: .502
33. Concordia (WI), C: .501
34. Hartrick, A: .501
35. Centre, A: .496
36. Whitworth, A: .496
37. Hope, A: .492
38. MIT, A: .492
39. Alvernia, A: .488
40. Luther, A: .487
41. Manchester, A: .487
42. NC Wesleyan, A: .486
43. Purchase, A: .486
44. Wooster, A: .486
45. Texas-Dallas, C: .485
46. Johnson & Wales, A: .482
47. Penn St-Behrend, C: .481
48. St. Mary's (Md), A: .479
49. Wells, A: .471
50. Benedictine, A: .471
51. La Roche, A: .466
52. Amherst, C: .464
53. Franklin & Marshall, A: .463
54. Medgar Evers, A: .463
55. St. Norbert, A: .462
56. Marietta, A: .456
57. Scranton, A: .451
58. Redlands, A: .433
59. Northwestern, A: .430
60. Webster, A: .430
61. Husson, A: .421
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: nwhoops1903 on March 09, 2011, 03:41:18 PM
Did I miss a post explaining OldChaps spelling of Whitworth Witworth?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldchap on March 09, 2011, 04:34:31 PM
Quote from: nwhoops1903 on March 09, 2011, 03:41:18 PM
Did I miss a post explaining OldChaps spelling of Whitworth Witworth?

Apologies to those fine people in Spokane. I thought Whitworth had more "wit" than they actually have...  ;)  ;D As my quote says..."I'm a long way from home..." I made the corrections wherever I could.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on March 09, 2011, 04:41:03 PM
Quote from: nwhoops1903 on March 09, 2011, 03:41:18 PM
Did I miss a post explaining OldChaps spelling of Whitworth Witworth?
Maybe it's for the same reason you (and others) spell Denison 'Dennison (http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=7271.msg1309736#msg1309736).'  :-*
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: nwhoops1903 on March 09, 2011, 04:59:02 PM
Blame it on that canned chili.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciacguru on March 15, 2011, 02:54:22 AM
Wow, the all region teams came out...good stuff.  Except for the names on them...at least the West region teams.  Really??? 

Put someone on the All region team that didn't even make all conference in his own league.

David Riley 3rd team???  He was the 2nd best player on the #1 team in the country, and reigning conference player of the year.

And Mills, 4th leading scorer on his team, was not a center....Sanctivores (sp?) and Colston were......just to argue the G,G,F,F,C team format.

But the SID's know who the best players are.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 15, 2011, 09:51:29 AM
Quote from: sciacguru on March 15, 2011, 02:54:22 AM
David Riley 3rd team???  He was the 2nd best player on the #1 team in the country, and reigning conference player of the year.

And Mills, 4th leading scorer on his team, was not a center....Sanctivores (sp?) and Colston were......just to argue the G,G,F,F,C team format.

But the SID's know who the best players are.

Mills was the SCIAC player of the year. Is that also voted on by the SIDs? Or, perhaps, is it voted on by coaches?

He was nominated as a center, listed as a center on Redlands' roster. It's not possible for me to know if that's somehow not correct. Doesn't matter, as we would simply change the label on him and still have two guards, three forwards.

Riley -- he was that good, yes. Not better than Burtzel, Smith and Justin Riley, though, in our estimation.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: playball on March 15, 2011, 11:58:54 AM
Quote from: sciacguru on March 15, 2011, 02:54:22 AM
Wow, the all region teams came out...good stuff.  Except for the names on them...at least the West region teams.  Really??? 

Put someone on the All region team that didn't even make all conference in his own league.

David Riley 3rd team???  He was the 2nd best player on the #1 team in the country, and reigning conference player of the year.

The Conference Player of the year last year was Nate Montegomery.  He was also the West Region player of the year.  Riley didn't make an all region team.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 15, 2011, 12:13:26 PM
Admittedly, I didn't try to figure out what he meant by that statement.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciacguru on March 15, 2011, 01:09:17 PM
Quote from: playball on March 15, 2011, 11:58:54 AM
Quote from: sciacguru on March 15, 2011, 02:54:22 AM
Wow, the all region teams came out...good stuff.  Except for the names on them...at least the West region teams.  Really??? 

Put someone on the All region team that didn't even make all conference in his own league.

David Riley 3rd team???  He was the 2nd best player on the #1 team in the country, and reigning conference player of the year.

The Conference Player of the year last year was Nate Montegomery.  He was also the West Region player of the year.  Riley didn't make an all region team.

Yes, Montgomery was the POY.  Excuse my frustrated response.  But putting him on the 3rd team is an outrage.  Justin Riley is a very good player, and probably the key to Chapman's success the past two years, but better than David Riley, I dont think so.  I understand this debate can round and round.  Compare stats....even head to head and I think D.R. comes out ahead.  I guess D.R. should have won the swing vote by writing for "Daily Dose."

Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 15, 2011, 09:51:29 AM
Quote from: sciacguru on March 15, 2011, 02:54:22 AM
David Riley 3rd team???  He was the 2nd best player on the #1 team in the country, and reigning conference player of the year.

And Mills, 4th leading scorer on his team, was not a center....Sanctivores (sp?) and Colston were......just to argue the G,G,F,F,C team format.

But the SID's know who the best players are.

Mills was the SCIAC player of the year. Is that also voted on by the SIDs? Or, perhaps, is it voted on by coaches?

He was nominated as a center, listed as a center on Redlands' roster. It's not possible for me to know if that's somehow not correct. Doesn't matter, as we would simply change the label on him and still have two guards, three forwards.

I would think in all of your D3 infinite wisdom that you could and would read through that about Mills and do some research.  I dont think it's the first time in a conference where the Most Outstanding Player didnt win the POY award, but maybe the most valuable player on the conference champion did.  I understand that voting for a conference POY, but all-region should be based upon how they produced (stats, win %, etc.) in their respective regions - in and out of conference play.  I am sure Mills was an outstanding leader for that team and a key to their success.

And I dont think the coaches voted Elmquist to the All-Sciac 1st or 2nd team....but evidently he is a 3rd team all-region performer.

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: playball on March 15, 2011, 02:11:36 PM
Quote from: sciacguru on March 15, 2011, 01:09:17 PM

I would think in all of your D3 infinite wisdom that you could and would read through that about Mills and do some research.  I dont think it's the first time in a conference where the Most Outstanding Player didnt win the POY award, but maybe the most valuable player on the conference champion did.  I understand that voting for a conference POY, but all-region should be based upon how they produced (stats, win %, etc.) in their respective regions - in and out of conference play.  I am sure Mills was an outstanding leader for that team and a key to their success.

And I dont think the coaches voted Elmquist to the All-Sciac 1st or 2nd team....but evidently he is a 3rd team all-region performer.



Same thing happened last year when Ross Bartlett received a third team all west region nod even though he was a second team all conference guy.  I don't know how that works, but getting a higher award regionally than you do in conference seems a little off to me. 

As for David Riley, he is a good player in a good system.  Everyone on that team draws attention from defenses thus opening up shots for him.  Hes a great shooter, dont get me wrong, but on any other team where hes not surrounded by the talent he was, the numbers wouldn't be there.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldchap on March 15, 2011, 02:27:05 PM
Well, to be sure, we would have to actually know what criteria are used to determine the All-Region teams.

As for the two Rileys, I can't speak for David Riley because I don't know him well enough as a player, but I can speak volume about Justin Riley. He is a strong competitor who is passionate about basketball and was truly a leader for the Chapman squad, especially in the last two years. He is probably going to play professionally in Europe for a few years. That's how passionate and how good he really is.

As a basketball player, he did it all: blocks, rebounds, scoring, passing, suffocating defense, he was relentless every single second he was on the court. And he is extremely athletic, jumps high, nimble, quick, strong without being slow or bulky. Perhaps the only thing he is missing is good 3-pt shooting skills. But that's probably due to the coaching style and what the team was made of. During Justin's tenure, Chapman needed length near the basket. It had plenty of decent 3-pt shooters outside (like Griffin Ramme).

In my opinion, Justin Riley has the whole package of strength of character, passion, high basketball IQ and skills, and superior physical abilities. He fully deserves to be an All-Region nominee and probably deserves better than second team. As for whether he is better (or not) than David Riley, I can't tell you that and none of you guys can either. You haven't watched enough Chapman and Whitworth games and you don't know both players personally to even pretend to make that determination.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: playball on March 15, 2011, 02:32:25 PM
Just curious, do you really think that a players character off the court has anything to do with this voting?  If so, thats absurd.  It should come down to who are the top players. Thats it.  This isn't a beauty contest.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 15, 2011, 02:47:06 PM
Quote from: sciacguru on March 15, 2011, 01:09:17 PM
I would think in all of your D3 infinite wisdom that you could and would read through that about Mills and do some research.  I dont think it's the first time in a conference where the Most Outstanding Player didnt win the POY award, but maybe the most valuable player on the conference champion did.  I understand that voting for a conference POY, but all-region should be based upon how they produced (stats, win %, etc.) in their respective regions - in and out of conference play.  I am sure Mills was an outstanding leader for that team and a key to their success.

So the coaches don't know best either, is what you're saying.

Quote from: sciacguru on March 15, 2011, 01:09:17 PM
And I dont think the coaches voted Elmquist to the All-Sciac 1st or 2nd team....but evidently he is a 3rd team all-region performer.

Perhaps, but I have no problems making a nod to Caltech having its best season in our lifetime.

Quote from: playball on March 15, 2011, 02:11:36 PM
Same thing happened last year when Ross Bartlett received a third team all west region nod even though he was a second team all conference guy.  I don't know how that works, but getting a higher award regionally than you do in conference seems a little off to me. 

Perhaps but the above point by sciacguru is certainly one way that can happen. And you have to remember, most conferences vote on their All-Conference team based solely on performance in conference games. But our awards take the whole year into account, or at least they are supposed to. (We don't ask for conference stats on our nomination form.)

If we left off the SCIAC player of the year I am sure there would be griping as well. No-win situation when a conference doesn't give its top award to its best player.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldchap on March 15, 2011, 03:24:46 PM
Quote from: playball on March 15, 2011, 02:32:25 PM
Just curious, do you really think that a players character off the court has anything to do with this voting?  If so, thats absurd.  It should come down to who are the top players. Thats it.  This isn't a beauty contest.

I never implied "off the court" and you are right, it shouldn't be a popularity or beauty contest. However, I think character is an important part of how you can contribute in a team. You can make or break a team through leadership, positive attitude, strength against adversity, resiliency, enthusiasm, passion and focus. It's not all about stats. Besides, there are a lot of things a player can do on the court that just don't show up in the stats.

Then again, I have no idea how the committee chooses these players. I can only share my opinion.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciacguru on March 15, 2011, 09:34:20 PM
Pat, you can turn the comments around however you want, or maybe you just dont understand, so let me list it out for you.

1.  The POY from the SCIAC was the 4th leading scorer on its team.  So I have a feeling that the coach that won the conference, selected the player that was most valuable to his team.  This has been standard in the SCIAC for years.  As for the remaining All Conference players, I believe the coaches select based upon their individual stats/play.....so I think they DO KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING.

2.  Evidently, you do not have faith in the coaches' ability to judge talent, since you allowed a player to be named All-Region by SIDs despite the fact that player wasnt even selected as an all conference player.  I am sure there are much better players in the region that are more deserving....maybe even from his own team, since one of his teammates did make All conference.  Sympathy votes need not apply.

3.  And as for leaving off the POY from the SCIAC, that is where your research needs to come in play with overall stats against regional competition, and base the All-Region teams upon that.  I would think that even you could see that someone who averaged 8.8 pts and 4.4 rebs may not be a viable candidate for All-Region and probably wasnt the conference's best player.  Once again, I think there are better players in the region that are more deserving, regardless of position.

How many teams nowadays actually play G,G,F,F,C...looks more like G,G,G,F,F or G,G,G,F,C.

And based upon your arguments, it sounds like the last two F/C spots were just fill ins.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 15, 2011, 11:07:03 PM
You can think what you like. If you look at more than one All-Region team you will find we are hardly slaves to GGFFC.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on March 16, 2011, 12:11:21 PM
Quote from: sciacguru on March 15, 2011, 02:54:22 AM
Wow, the all region teams came out...good stuff.  Except for the names on them...at least the West region teams.  Really??? 

Beefs about all-conference and all-region teams are kind of silly, aren't they? You can debate all day long about who is on the teams and who isn't. D3hoops picked the all-region teams. All of the players chosen are worthy of that honor, so congratulations to the players who made each team.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on March 16, 2011, 12:46:16 PM
I agree with OxyBob, if you don't like D3's selection, or anyones else's for that matter,
create your own all-star team and post it. We will see if everyone agrees with your choices.

Plus K for Bob for writing what many posters were probably thinking!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on March 22, 2011, 02:25:03 PM
Quote from: sciacguru on March 15, 2011, 09:34:20 PM
Pat, you can turn the comments around however you want, or maybe you just dont understand, so let me list it out for you.

2.  Evidently, you do not have faith in the coaches' ability to judge talent, since you allowed a player to be named All-Region by SIDs despite the fact that player wasnt even selected as an all conference player.  I am sure there are much better players in the region that are more deserving....maybe even from his own team, since one of his teammates did make All conference.  Sympathy votes need not apply.


I assume you are referring to Ryan Elmquist in this statement....just as an FYI he did receive the conference Ducey award which is rather highly regarded in the SCIAC....highly likely that they wanted to acknowledge another player instead of a single player twice....for evidence of this, the player of the year wasn't technically all-conference either. (see list)

http://www.thesciac.org/sports/mbkb/2010-11/news/ALL_SCIAC

Also, I believe the SCIAC coaches are swayed in their voting by number of team wins....personally I think Grimm should have taken Player of the Year based solely on talent.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Fan O SCIAC on March 25, 2011, 01:52:00 AM
I want to take a survey.  Does anybody find it objectionable that Whitworth's star player, conference MVP, national POY, is a senior transfer?  Attending the school for just a single year.  All the quality private schools, college or high school, I am aware of do not give out diplomas with their name on it to students who make only a fleeting appearance at the school.  Sounds like a mercenary.  While it's obviously allowed, is it not a violation of the principle of the "student athlete" that DIII schools tout as being so important?  I'm fairly new to the SCIAC, is this late transfer philosphy practiced within our conference?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 25, 2011, 09:47:49 AM
If you knew the back story you'd probably take back your vitriol.

Michael has two cousins who play for Whitworth and married a Whitworth women's basketball player last summer. Why spend your senior year traipsing all around the Big Sky Conference?

Most Division I-to-Division III transfers play key roles with their teams but someone dropping out of the sky and being dominant in D-III is actually fairly rare.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 25, 2011, 02:46:52 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 25, 2011, 09:47:49 AM
If you knew the back story you'd probably take back your vitriol.

Michael has two cousins who play for Whitworth and married a Whitworth women's basketball player last summer. Why spend your senior year traipsing all around the Big Sky Conference?

Most Division I-to-Division III transfers play key roles with their teams but someone dropping out of the sky and being dominant in D-III is actually fairly rare.

Unfortunately, Pat, Fan O's post appears to be making judgments far more insidious than that. He's clearly insulting not only Taylor and the Whitworth program but the school itself ("All the quality private schools ...").

Fan O, your "facts" are badly out of whack. Please demonstrate via links that "quality private schools, college or high school," require a student to spend most of his or her matriculation period at said school in order to earn a diploma. I think that if you check around you'll find that just about every private college or university, Whitworth included, has a minimum number of terminal credit hours that have to be earned at that school in order to receive a bachelors degree. It's therefore incumbent upon you to prove that Whitworth is skirting its own policy and is awarding a degree to Michael Taylor short of his earning whatever number of terminal credit hours at Whitworth that the school requires as stated in its course catalog.

Here's some other things that you did not address:

1. Taylor may have additional classwork left after this school year adjourns in order to earn his Whitworth degree. That's not unusual for a transfer student. You, however, have taken on the assumption that he is merely spending one year there ("attending the school for just a single year" and "a fleeting appearance"), based upon his lone season with the Pirates. You know what they say about people who assume ...

2. This has nothing to do with NCAA rules, as you admit that there is no likely violation on Whitworth's part in having Taylor play for the Pirates for one year. But you clearly do not understand how D3 works, since you aver to "the principle of the 'student athlete' that D3 schools tout as being so important" without ever making plain what sort of "principle" a student-athlete who is academically qualified and who is enrolled and paying for his schooling is violating by participating in sports.

3. Mercenaries are paid for what they do. Michael Taylor pays to attend Whitworth (and thus he paid to play basketball for the Pirates).

Snobbery and ignorance are a bad combination.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on March 25, 2011, 05:50:57 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on March 25, 2011, 02:46:52 PM
Fan O, your "facts" are badly out of whack.

Having facts out of whack is an occupational hazard of sports dads. It's probably OK with him if Claremont has transfers -- Cody Mivshek, Patrick Lacey, Michael Bagby, to name 3 off the top of my head -- but it's not OK if Whitworth does.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 25, 2011, 06:23:05 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on March 25, 2011, 05:50:57 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on March 25, 2011, 02:46:52 PM
Fan O, your "facts" are badly out of whack.

Having facts out of whack is an occupational hazard of sports dads. It's probably OK with him if Claremont has transfers -- Cody Mivshek, Patrick Lacey, Michael Bagby, to name 3 off the top of my head -- but it's not OK if Whitworth does.

OxyBob

I wasn't going to go there, as I know a lot of fair-minded and reasonable parents whose kids play or have played D3 basketball, but I will say this: If there's any guilt-by-association that comes out of Fan O's calumny-laden post, it's likely to be directed at the CMS program and a certain sophomore-to-be Stags guard rather than at the Whitworth program and Michael Taylor, as unfair and unfortunate as that may be.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Fan O SCIAC on March 26, 2011, 03:32:30 AM
To Pat Coleman, as well as Michael Taylor, I will begin with an apology.  After re-reading my post today I realize it was completely inappropriate.  I cringed as I read it.  Mr. Taylor, while I was unaware of your familial connection to Whitworth, it should not have even mattered.  I had no right to use you in an attempt to start a general topical discussion.  I hope you will accept my apology. Like the little boy digging through the manure of my post, I hope you will find the pony of a complement: You had an amazing season.  I wish you all the best with your new wife.  Mr. Coleman, I thank you for your measured response.  Allowing for the possibility that my poorly expressed, inappropriately worded mis-comunication might be rectified made it all the more possible.  I wish I could take back my vitriol, unfortunately it is there in black & white for all to see.  The best I can do is offer my most sincere apology and a promise, after this, to never post again after 10PM.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: (509)Rat on March 26, 2011, 12:41:25 PM
Not to pile on, but I wanted to point out that most "good" DIII athletes in any sport had opportunities to take scholarship money to play elsewhere. At least that's how it was for many of us at Whitworth. Those individuals chose to play DIII because they realized there was something more important than sports. For me it was an opportunity to be more competitive when applying to grad schools, for others it's an opportunity to be involved in other activities (music, ministry, resident life, etc.), for Michael Taylor it was an opportunity to not only be in the same city as his wife and play with his cousins, but to also have his family (and I mean EVERYONE) able to see him play nearly every game in this final season. 

We all have different priorities in life. If you are talented enough then athletics is a great priority to have (no knock on DI, revenue generating athletes from me). People need to realize that the "priorites" of a DIII athlete vary greatly, but (for the most part) are all equally justifiable and honorable. For anyone to question the motives of a DIII athlete or institution is simply ignorant.

Congrats to Michael Taylor for the unforgettable season. And more importantly, coming from a former Pirate who married a Pirate long ago, Congrats on stepping up to the plate in terms of being a husband.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Fan O SCIAC on March 26, 2011, 03:41:20 PM
Well said!!! No piling on just more well articulated information and perspective. As I said previously, I had no right to use Mr. Taylor, or Whitworth, in the posting of a question for which I truly wanted more insight but was clearly biased, no, make that ignorant. It takes a very open mind and accepting heart to respond as you and Mr. Coleman have. The result is my greater understanding of, and appreciation for, Mr. Taylor and Whitworth. Congratulations to Mr. Taylor and the whole Whitworth program for a tremendous season and thank you for enlightening me.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: (509)Rat on March 26, 2011, 06:07:39 PM
Philosophically, Fan O SCIAC's question wasn't all bad.

It's all hypothetical, but what if a program was taking 1 and done type transfers who did NOT fit in with the mission statement of that particular institution? ie PLU takes Venoy Overton from UW, who leads them to a conference championship and national tourney appearance?

Then does it become objectionable?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 27, 2011, 02:49:02 PM
Fan O, not a lot of posters would have stepped up to the plate and posted an apology like that. I respect you for doing so. Kudos, sir.

Quote from: (509)Rat on March 26, 2011, 06:07:39 PM
Philosophically, Fan O SCIAC's question wasn't all bad.

It's all hypothetical, but what if a program was taking 1 and done type transfers who did NOT fit in with the mission statement of that particular institution? ie PLU takes Venoy Overton from UW, who leads them to a conference championship and national tourney appearance?

Then does it become objectionable?

I'm not sure what you mean by "fit in with the mission statement of that particular institution" -- are we talking about another Jim-McMahon-at-BYU type of thing, or is this about admitting transfer students who are academically unqualified, or what? The "one and done" thing makes me think that we're still talking about the Michael Taylor types who only transfer in for one season of eligibility, but the "mission statement" thing makes me wonder if you're talking about something else besides that.

It's a perfectly reasonable topic, but I guess that I'd just like to see you flesh out the question a little more, as I'm not quite sure that I follow the "mission statement" aspect of it, and I don't want to post a response while I'm in danger of misunderstanding you.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: (509)Rat on March 27, 2011, 03:39:26 PM
Here's Whitworth's...

"Whitworth University is a private, residential, liberal-arts institution affiliated with the Presbyterian Church. Whitworth's mission is to provide its diverse student body an education of the mind and the heart, equipping its graduates to honor God, follow Christ, and serve humanity. This mission is carried out by a community of Christian scholars committed to excellent teaching and to the integration of faith and learning."

Now I understand not all DIII programs have religious affiliations, but in general these are all institutions that hold students to a slightly higher standard when it comes to academics and campus behavior in general. I also understand that many students who attend schools with religious affiliations have no such affiliation/belief themselves. However, those individuals are still held to the same standard and are expected to comply with University rules/values just like everyone else.

Let's say a program is constantly taking individuals who do not wish to abide by these standards. They don't really go to class, they break rules, etc. and yet they continue to play and the program continues to succeed. The institution itself is compromising it's own "mission statement" or values in order to have a good basketball team.

I read Fan O SCIAC's post as asking "Is it ok for a DIII program (who touts academic prestige and moral excellence) to bring in a kid they know will be great, just for the sake of winning? Even when academic success and/or personal growth are of no concern to the kid?" Michael Taylor just happened to be a terrible example.

Competition at any level is about winning, but Division III as a whole puts a greater value on the "student" part of student-athlete than any other level in the NCAA or NAIA. If a program is compromising that emphasis with 4th year transfers who are there only because they got booted from another program and the University just wants to win, does it become "objectionable"?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 27, 2011, 08:23:42 PM
The elimination of the Prop-48 exemption (generally termed the 'Rowan rule') suggests that d3 DOES believe in certain limits on 4th-year transfers.  (For those of recent vintage, Rowan won the title in 1996 with at least 2 Prop-48 transfers - i.e., those who lost a year of eligibility in d1 because of low SAT scores, but who got a fourth year in d3.  Evidently, d3 felt this was a bastardization of 'student-athlete' standards in d3, as the 'loophole' was closed before the following year.)

How to draw a line seems to be the hold-up.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 28, 2011, 06:00:19 PM
So far, drawing the line at "not giving back a year of eligibility that was taken away" seems to be a very reasonable standard and I have not heard any mass national groundswell for anything more restrictive.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 12, 2011, 04:56:56 PM
Chapman is in.

http://www.d3sports.com/notables/2011/05/chapman-joins-sciac
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on May 12, 2011, 05:04:22 PM
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fajohnson.com%2Fcalgary%2FPoliceMegaphone.jpg&hash=a399fe2989371743c23c3afeca48d5057d68f204)

Step back from the ledge, OxyBob! Don't do it! Don't do it! You have so many other things to live for!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on May 12, 2011, 11:22:00 PM
Oxy still won't schedule Chapman until 2012-13 just to frustrate dahlby.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on May 13, 2011, 02:16:35 AM
Gray Fox:

Oxy vs Chapman in men's basketball...December of 2011. It has been booked for awhile. I thought you knew that. The game will be played at Oxy.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on May 13, 2011, 10:49:44 AM
I think Gray Fox was making a joke.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cmsme on May 28, 2011, 10:36:44 PM
Chapman is in? I don't see them in CMS basketball schedule.
So how did it happen?  What changed? I thought there was no way Chapman was getting into the SCIAC. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on May 28, 2011, 10:58:04 PM
This is what happened:

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Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on May 29, 2011, 03:26:42 AM
Quote from: cmsme on May 28, 2011, 10:36:44 PM
Chapman is in? I don't see them in CMS basketball schedule.
So how did it happen?  What changed? I thought there was no way Chapman was getting into the SCIAC. 
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F4.bp.blogspot.com%2F_snss6u0-WRI%2FTFBpMpGTJkI%2FAAAAAAAADdE%2F_D220rJs5ZU%2Fs1600%2Fbag_of_money.png&hash=a2c940fe3962582021f6d27b1c4e3c55706b6264)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cmsme on June 10, 2011, 01:50:35 AM
cool picture of hell freezing over.
But I don't understand the money picture.  How would Chapman money persuade the SCIAC or the individual schools? 
I think Chapman is a better fit for the league than Caltech; I just hope they don't dominate too much.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on September 01, 2011, 10:43:35 PM
With students getting to campus this past week or two, I figure why not start up the SCIAC basketball discussion again.

Any thoughts, rumors, news heard from schools on incoming frosh/transfers?

As has been the case in the recent past, I have to go with my Stags as the early favorite. They return All-American Chris Blees, as well as 4 starters (Pinson, Gaffaney, Anderson, and Sullivan) and a key reserve (Mivshek). The key remains how they will fill the void of All SCIAC Big Patrick Lacey in the middle. He was the heart and soul of the squad last year after Blees went down and provided them with championship experience and poise.

I'm clueless with all the other teams, but I think if the Stags play to their potential, they will be tough to beat.

Let the 2011-2012 forum begin
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cmsme on September 05, 2011, 12:08:21 PM
Stag 44--Good to see you back. I am ready for basketball to start--hope it is a good season. :)

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on October 11, 2011, 10:43:37 AM
Less than 1 week away from start of season!!!

Everyone has been awful quiet this pre-season. I think it could be a very exciting year again across the board.

I'll be in Claremont Oct 22 weekend, so if anyone is around I'll try and sneak into a practice and let you know how the squad looks.

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on October 13, 2011, 12:30:29 PM
...Caltech hosting a Midnight Madness event....

http://gocaltech.com/information/2011MidnightMadness

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on October 13, 2011, 12:33:59 PM
In other news:  pretty interesting general midnight madness article...

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/story/15726282/midnight-madness-just-isnt-what-it-used-to-be
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on October 13, 2011, 05:51:59 PM
Quote from: WoostAr on October 13, 2011, 12:30:29 PM
...Caltech hosting a Midnight Madness event....

http://gocaltech.com/information/2011MidnightMadness
This is the second year they are doing this.  Does that mean they will beat Oxy twice?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on October 15, 2011, 07:12:43 PM
Good question...after checking out their freshman last night it certainly looks to me as though they have landed some high level talent...good job Eslinger...interested to see how much they play this season...might see one or more in starting line-up???  Big gap to fill with no Ryan Elmquist....and no seniors!...might make for a weird senior night.

I'm ready to watch some games!!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CMSfan on October 16, 2011, 05:45:58 PM
Quote from: stag44 on October 11, 2011, 10:43:37 AM
I'll be in Claremont Oct 22 weekend, so if anyone is around I'll try and sneak into a practice and let you know how the squad looks.

From what I hear, CMS is looking very good.  I'll be curious to hear your thoughts.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on October 20, 2011, 11:26:47 AM
Congrats to Chris Blees for his selection to the D3Hoops.com Pre Season 2nd Team All American!!!

Very excited to see them on Saturday and how they look!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on October 20, 2011, 07:27:59 PM
Quote from: stag44 on October 11, 2011, 10:43:37 AM
Everyone has been awful quiet this pre-season. I think it could be a very exciting year again across the board.

Defending D-III champ St. Thomas will be at Oxy on Friday, November 18, at 7:30 p.m.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cmsme on October 28, 2011, 05:14:49 PM
The following article was in US Today about the Wisconsin Conference and D3 sports.

http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefootball/story/The-conference-no-one-leavesschools-boast-unique-stability-63484108
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cmsme on October 29, 2011, 02:09:30 PM
Also, CMS people, CMS is playing Afghan team tonight (10/29) and it is on video-- ustream.tv

And the following is a link to an article about the Afghan national team, which i always wondered about.
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/basketball/2010-11-12-3216169951_x.htm   :)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on October 30, 2011, 02:38:20 AM
Went and saw CMS game tonight...

Was excited to see Chris Blees play...heard a lot about him last year, hadn't seen him in person before....he looked to be in great fitness...took it end to end hard multiple times...had a few good moves to the hoop...missed a few chippies....I'm sure that'll all be fixed by the time the season rolls around....he looked frustrated with himself at times....in other words, he looked like a guy who was returning from an injury....certainly an impressive player.

But the best player on the floor for CMS (and was a complete surpise to me) was #22...Mani Maceira...holy cow where did he come from?!?!....I guess the story is he took some time off to start a family??.......he looked GOOD!

Gaffaney looks to have hit the weight room...looks stronger....played well.

Sullivan looks very out of shape and he may have eaten too many donuts this summer....10 lbs heavier...maybe more?...limited minutes tonight.

The game itself...Afghanistan was winded after 10 minutes and it was a ~20 point blow out....CMS looks to be in great shape, not quite crisp in the offense yet, but hey it was a scrimmage and they creamed a more physical opponent.

All in all, CMS looks good.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on October 30, 2011, 11:15:08 AM
Thanks for the update WoostAr!

I was able to catch the game streaming online. Some of my takeaways:

Overall, for only having 2 weeks of practice the Stags looked very formidable. Still lots to be desired on the defensive end though. Too many open shots and blowbys with over showing help. Offensively, this team might be the best under Scali from the last 7 years. They can flat out score. From Blees, Maciera, Gaffney, Sullivan on down they are all natural scorers. The motion still is raw, but once Scali gets them to start hitting and screening for each other, this team could very easily be scoring 75+ ppg which is unheard of in Stagland.

Blees: The knee and speed looked good. I spoke to him a week ago and he said some of the rust is still coming off, but he feels confident and ready. I was very impressed with his Lamar Odom like rebound and start the break. He has tremendously improved his court vision showing hitting open men on multiple occasions for layups or open jumpshots. That's going to be huge for the team as opposing coach's really cannot double him if he continues to find the open man.

Maciera: I was lucky enough to have played with him for 2 years, and to see him back really makes me happy. To be honest, it did not look like he was away from competitive college hoops for 3 years at all. He fit right back into the system and is one of the most naturally gifted athletes and scorers we have in the D3 level. I'm excited to see him and Blees mesh together and play off each other.

Gaffney: From all accounts, he has come back as the most improved guy from the summer. Everyone says he is 10-15 pounds stronger and improved all facets of his game. I'm excited to see him evolve as a combo guard and provide leadership in the backcourt. 

The rest of the crew looked great as well. It was nice to see Mivshek out there playing hard. His defensive intensity is exactly what the Stags need and he can put points up in bunches as well. He'll be an important guard for the Stags and will win some games with his scoring. Anderson was his usual athletic self, making a couple are-you-kidding-me athletic rebounds and layins. It was nice seeing a couple frosh getting run as well. Grodahl looks like he will become a legit 2/3 for Scali in the next year or two, and showed flashes of why he was all-state in Oregon. It was also nice to see Christian get some run as a 5 man. The 5-8 minutes available as a backup 5man on this team will be crucial. The Stags need a bruiser inside to take rebound, bring energy and set some screens.

Overall, I'm very exicted to see the Stags play this year. I'll be lucky enough to go watch them Nov 18th weekend in Austin, TX. If anyone is going, please let me know!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on October 31, 2011, 01:38:12 PM
Quote from: stag44 on October 30, 2011, 11:15:08 AM
Maciera: I was lucky enough to have played with him for 2 years, and to see him back really makes me happy.

Maybe if CMS looks very carefully they can find some unused eligibility for Miles Taylor, too.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on October 31, 2011, 03:49:20 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on October 31, 2011, 01:38:12 PM
Quote from: stag44 on October 30, 2011, 11:15:08 AM
Maciera: I was lucky enough to have played with him for 2 years, and to see him back really makes me happy.

Maybe if CMS looks very carefully they can find some unused eligibility for Miles Taylor, too.

OxyBob

Miles would love to come back - he's still active in the men's rec leagues and dominant as usual!

Maybe i'll start digging into it ;) just in time for the CMS Oxy game
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hoopsallthetime on October 31, 2011, 03:56:01 PM
Quote from: stag44 on October 31, 2011, 03:49:20 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on October 31, 2011, 01:38:12 PM
Quote from: stag44 on October 30, 2011, 11:15:08 AM
Maciera: I was lucky enough to have played with him for 2 years, and to see him back really makes me happy.

Maybe if CMS looks very carefully they can find some unused eligibility for Miles Taylor, too.

OxyBob

Miles would love to come back - he's still active in the men's rec leagues and dominant as usual!

Maybe i'll start digging into it ;) just in time for the CMS Oxy game

Manny left after his Junior year and still had one year of eligibility left. The biggest thing that we should get out of all of this...is that Manny not only got to come back and finish his career as a Stag, but also is going to complete his required hours to graduate and get his degree which I believe is the best thing to come out of this situation. But I'm not going to lie...I can't wait to see Blees and Manny kill it this year. Good luck SCIAC!

For those who don't know...Manny was SCIAC player of the year a couple of years ago before he left and 1st team along side Miles Taylor and John Parsons!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on November 08, 2011, 04:31:07 PM
Caltech posted a very optimistic season preview today.  http://gocaltech.com/sports/mbkb/2011-12/releases/20112012MBBOutlook

I only saw part of their scrimmage last week against ASU...noticed a few things:

Cramer and Edwards looking good.

Andrew Hogue looks like he could be 25...he's big, strong, and has a motor that doesn't quit....I'm sure that the plan is for him to fill in some of the gap left by Elmquist...visually, his size is impressive for a freshman and he could be quite intimidating.

Caltech definitely hit more shots than they did last year...granted the opposing defense was not stellar.

The competition (American Sports Univeristy) was weak....Caltech looked bored after the opening 10 minutes.

Scrimmage this weekend against some D2 competition probably will provide a more accurate view of the team.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on November 08, 2011, 05:28:58 PM
In other news, Occidental had a scrimmage against DI Pepperdine....and it was tight.

http://www.oxyathletics.com/sports/mbkb/2011-12/releases/20111106jj3614
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on November 08, 2011, 06:05:24 PM
It is interesting that Pepperdine only played eight players in this exhibition game.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on November 14, 2011, 05:14:51 PM
FINALLY let the games begin:

Season tips off tomorrow with 3 SCIAC teams in action:

Pacifica @ CMS
Very excited to see how this Stag teams comes out of the games. They looked focused on Saturday in practice and really ready to show everyone that they are the clear favorites and have a 4-peat on their mind. Scali has the guys playing hard and most importantly they look extremely balanced. I truly believe that on any given night they have 7 guys who could go for 20 (Blees, Maciera, Gaffney, Pinson, Sullivan, Anderson, Mivshek) with ease. This will make them extremely difficult to defend both in transition and in sets. I expect alot of teams to zone the Stags and force them to win by making 3's and long 2s.

This is also a memorable game for the Stags as they welcome back an old assistant Coach Bruce Victor. He has been a part of the Stags on and off over the last 10 years and imparted alot of defensive wisdom while he was around. Pacifica is an unknown entity to me, but I think the Stags roll 75-54

ULV @ Chapman
This is a matchup I am very excited to see. ULV is returning all their contributors from last years and should be primed to challenge CMS at the top. Chapman is always a tough game especially on the road. Given the experience and talent on the roster, Coach Reed should make them competitive. I am always curious to see how they play in a tough physical environment. The Leos are notorious for losing their cool when play gets chippy and physical, and often are caught complaining or not playing through contact. If they can amend this and gain further mental toughness, they will be very difficult to beat.

Chapman is an unknown as well, as they lose Riley, Ramme among others. They always are tough and I think they squeak out a home win 61-57


Redlands @ Cal Baptist
Coming off a magical SCIAC championship and NCAA bid, Redlands is in rebuilding mode this year. I think they lose this game going away 72-55 Cal Baptist
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on November 14, 2011, 05:50:21 PM
Additional games:

Occidental hosts St Thomas on Friday and Pomona Pitzer hosts them on Saturday....d3 champs last season, would love to see them play...still a little sore about them beating wooster....might be the only time in my life I'll be routing for oxy/pp...they have a new coach this year, hope to make it to Oxy.

Caltech Plays at Vanguard...I understand Vanguard is very up-tempo...should be interesting since Caltech plays several of their starters 35+ minutes.  Caltech will need to slow the game down.

Cal Lu at La Sierra.

Whittier hosts Lewis and Clark on Sunday.

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hemingway13 on November 14, 2011, 06:10:00 PM

The earlier poster, Stag44, was spot on when characterizing last years' Championship  as "magical", after a long dry spell as the clock wound down for Bulldog legend Gary Smith's career.

Although I'll keep my fingers crossed that Redlands are strongly competitive this year, it's going to be tough losing two of our three All-SCIAC players to graduation. A lot will depend on Tristan Kirk's leadership.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hemingway13 on November 14, 2011, 06:15:05 PM
Must admit that I'll be cheering for Chris Blees to have a stellar season following his terrible bad luck last year. He is one of the most talented basketballers ever to play in the SCIAC, right up there with the likes of Oxy's Sam Betty in middle of last decade.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on November 15, 2011, 08:47:21 AM
Quote from: Hemingway13 on November 14, 2011, 06:15:05 PM
Must admit that I'll be cheering for Chris Blees to have a stellar season following his terrible bad luck last year. He is one of the most talented basketballers ever to play in the SCIAC, right up there with the likes of Oxy's Sam Betty in middle of last decade.

Blees looks as good as ever. If anything this injury has allowed him to develop other parts of his game. I've caught some of them in action and I'm not sure I've seen a SCIAC player this dominant end to end - the only other name that even comes close would be Miles Taylor, but even Miles didn't have the edge that Chris plays with. I'm very excited to see them tonight and then watch them live in Austin!!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CMSfan on November 16, 2011, 01:17:22 AM
CMS 71, Pacifica 62

Box Score: http://www.cmsathletics.org/sports/mbkb/2011-12/files/PC-CMS.HTM (http://www.cmsathletics.org/sports/mbkb/2011-12/files/PC-CMS.HTM)

Kind of an ugly game.  Pacifica managed to stay in it with good 3 point shooting combined with some sloppy play from the Stags.  Blees and Maceira each went for 16, with Blees adding 14 rebounds.  Blees was tentative at times, but looks primed for a great year.  Maceira looked great.  With the two of them and Joey Anderson, I imagine we'll see the Stags out-rebounding most opponents (though maybe not quite like tonight's 38-18 advantage, which included an impressive 21 offensive boards).  Kevin Sullivan provided some nice spark off the bench with four 3's.  Only one freshman, Jack Grodahl, saw minutes for CMS.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on November 16, 2011, 11:39:12 AM
Quote from: CMSfan on November 16, 2011, 01:17:22 AM
CMS 71, Pacifica 62

Box Score: http://www.cmsathletics.org/sports/mbkb/2011-12/files/PC-CMS.HTM (http://www.cmsathletics.org/sports/mbkb/2011-12/files/PC-CMS.HTM)

Kind of an ugly game.  Pacifica managed to stay in it with good 3 point shooting combined with some sloppy play from the Stags.  Blees and Maceira each went for 16, with Blees adding 14 rebounds.  Blees was tentative at times, but looks primed for a great year.  Maceira looked great.  With the two of them and Joey Anderson, I imagine we'll see the Stags out-rebounding most opponents (though maybe not quite like tonight's 38-18 advantage, which included an impressive 21 offensive boards).  Kevin Sullivan provided some nice spark off the bench with four 3's.  Only one freshman, Jack Grodahl, saw minutes for CMS.

Caught the 2nd half of the game online and was shocked to see the Stags down 9 vs Pacifica. I spoke with some fans watching and they simply said the Stags were not playing very good defense and Pacifica was knocking down 3s and difficult shots. Regardless, the Stags started to wear down the Gladiators and imposed their will through the middle of the second half and held on at the end of the game.

Notes from the 2nd half -

Blees looked good again. More than ever this year he has morphed into a point-forward and really kickstarting to team in transition. His 16 and 14 box score was vintage Blees, and once he starts getting back to speed those 5 TOs should drop as well. It looks like he still has that first step and can find his way into the key at will.

Maciera looked solid as well. Still looks like he's rubbing off some of the rust, but still was silky smooth from midrange and found himself open around the basket often. Was also excited to see him attack the boards and defend.

Sullivan did his best Vinnie Johnson/Eddie House impression coming off the bench as the "Microwave" and kickstarting the offense in the 2nd half with 11 quick points. He looked good offensively and gladly embraced his role as scorer of the bench.

I was impressed with how well Gaffney defended. He was very gritty and reminded me alot of Dan Winterbottom in the way he stalked the ball full court. I would like to see him be a little more aggressive on the offensive end though, and I think that will come as teams focus on Blees and Maciera more.

Overall the Stags were incredibly effective on the offensive glass, recovering 21 of the 33 misses (an astonishing 64% oboard rate), and I'll be curious to see how this stat moves as they play teams that have more size (La Verne). Also one of my biggest concerns was seeing the ball stall with all the individual offensive talent on the court, but the Stags were zipping the ball around and most possessions included 4-7 passes which is key for the motion to work.


Excited to see them play in 2 days. CMS usually doesn't travel well so I'll be curious to see how the guys respond this trip. Everyone who is playing has made a trip at some point and last year they were all in St. Louis, so they should be a little more versed in how to handle road trips.

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on November 16, 2011, 02:43:24 PM
Quote from: WoostAr on November 14, 2011, 05:50:21 PM
might be the only time in my life I'll be routing for oxy/pp...they have a new coach this year, hope to make it to Oxy.

Uh, who has a new coach this year? Did I miss something?

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etule on November 16, 2011, 05:43:34 PM
St Thomas has a new coach!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cmsme on November 16, 2011, 11:51:16 PM
CMS people FYI. I was looking at the schedule for Southwestern Texas game. Claremont's website and Southwestern's website both list the game time as 7:00. But there is a two hour time difference, so I think the time may be incorrect. The D3 website lists the game at 8:00, which may be due to a different time zone. The same is true for the Saturday game. CMS website says the game starts at 2:00, but Trinity Texas website says 2:00 also.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on November 17, 2011, 07:26:08 AM
Quote from: cmsme on November 16, 2011, 11:51:16 PM
CMS people FYI. I was looking at the schedule for Southwestern Texas game. Claremont's website and Southwestern's website both list the game time as 7:00. But there is a two hour time difference, so I think the time may be incorrect. The D3 website lists the game at 8:00, which may be due to a different time zone. The same is true for the Saturday game. CMS website says the game starts at 2:00, but Trinity Texas website says 2:00 also.

I believe the D3 webside puts all times in EST, so the 8pm on D3hoops makes senese, 8pm EST is 7pm in Austin.

My understanding is that the games are at 7pm on friday and 2pm on saturday in LOCAL time. So for the viewers online in CA, games would start at 5pm and noon, respectively. If I find out anything otherwise today, I'll be sure to update this post.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on November 17, 2011, 05:38:58 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on November 16, 2011, 02:43:24 PM
Quote from: WoostAr on November 14, 2011, 05:50:21 PM
might be the only time in my life I'll be routing for oxy/pp...they have a new coach this year, hope to make it to Oxy.

Uh, who has a new coach this year? Did I miss something?

OxyBob

My mistake, I'll get my pronouns in order next time.  Thanks for help etule.  I gather Oxy does have a new offense however...what say you OxyBob?...no more triangle?...more uptempo?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on November 19, 2011, 09:26:13 AM
Eyewitness report from Eagle Rock...

St. Thomas 82 Oxy 61

Nice crowd on a Friday night. UST led from start to finish. Peter Leslie hit 4 straight 3-balls to open the game for the Tommies. Oxy hung in there and trailed 36-27 at the half. UST opened the second half on a 12-3 run and it was 48-30 and game over.

St. Thomas is deep, and is like a machine with interchangeable parts. They didn't do anything spectacular. The Tommies ran a disciplined high-low offense, they moved the ball well, got open shots, and wore Oxy down. For the game UST shot 48% and was 9-for-19 on 3s. Leslie scored 17, Zach Riedeman was off the bench for 12, 3 guys scored 8, 2 guys had 7. You get the picture.

For Oxy, Jack Hanley had 22 on 6-for-18 and 10-for-10 FTs, and Sam Stapleton scored 16. The Tigers missed a lot of open 3s and were only 2-for-14 for the game. They're going to have to do a better job on the offensive boards; UST outrebounded them in the front court 13-7, and hard-working Jake Copithorne had 4 of the 7.

The game was called close. Quite a few fouls that weren't fouls called on both sides. Deshun McCoy got the worst of it. He had a couple of clean blocks that were called fouls, and fouled out in only 17 minutes of play.

St. Thomas is at Pomona tonight. Oxy's at Pacifica in beautiful Moreno Valley on the 23rd.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SUMMIT!!!!! on November 19, 2011, 04:46:46 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on November 19, 2011, 09:26:13 AM
Eyewitness report from Eagle Rock...

St. Thomas 82 Oxy 61

Nice crowd on a Friday night. UST led from start to finish. Peter Leslie hit 4 straight 3-balls to open the game for the Tommies. Oxy hung in there and trailed 36-27 at the half. UST opened the second half on a 12-3 run and it was 48-30 and game over.

St. Thomas is deep, and is like a machine with interchangeable parts. They didn't do anything spectacular. The Tommies ran a disciplined high-low offense, they moved the ball well, got open shots, and wore Oxy down. For the game UST shot 48% and was 9-for-19 on 3s. Leslie scored 17, Zach Riedeman was off the bench for 12, 3 guys scored 8, 2 guys had 7. You get the picture.

For Oxy, Jack Hanley had 22 on 6-for-18 and 10-for-10 FTs, and Sam Stapleton scored 16. The Tigers missed a lot of open 3s and were only 2-for-14 for the game. They're going to have to do a better job on the offensive boards; UST outrebounded them in the front court 13-7, and hard-working Jake Copithorne had 4 of the 7.

The game was called close. Quite a few fouls that weren't fouls called on both sides. DeShun McCoy got the worst of it. He had a couple of clean blocks that were called fouls, and fouled out in only 17 minutes of play.

St. Thomas is at Pomona tonight. Oxy's at Pacifica in beautiful Moreno Valley on the 23rd.

OxyBob

Thansk OxyBob....sonds like my Tommies looked good for the opener.  And while it was Tauer's debut as head coach, he's been running the offense at UST for some time now.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on November 20, 2011, 06:05:55 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on November 19, 2011, 09:26:13 AM
St. Thomas is at Pomona tonight.

Pomona blew a 5-point lead in the last 1:16 of regulation and lost to St. Thomas in double overtime, 82-79.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: (509)Rat on November 20, 2011, 08:28:53 PM
Where are all the Chapman folk?

Whitworth will be playing Cal Lu and Chapman up in Concord at Diablo Valley. Whitworth recruits DVC pretty hard, so smart move if it was Logie's or Hayford's call. I'm glad current Pirate Zach Payne gets a couple games in front of friends and family.

I'm assuming Whitworth will roll Cal Lu but Chapman is a bit of a mystery to me. Lost some big time players but they seem to be at the point where they are able to reload...I could be wrong about that though?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on November 20, 2011, 09:17:20 PM
Rat:

Chapman posters are here. CU is 3-0 not counting an exhibition loss to UCSB. We edged LaVerne at home and just got by at Redlands. You are right, CU  did lose some very good players, and it will take some time for the team to jell with all the new player rotations.

I see that your Pirates are off to their dominating ways...good luck!

BTW, I was impressed with your football team this year, understanding that you had some new players. Chapman was fortunate to get the win. Your QB situation will be the envy of the west coast next year if they continue to improve over the off season.

I will be up in Spokane next year for the return match...maybe we can meet up.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on November 21, 2011, 11:07:12 AM
Eyewitness Report from Texas:

CMS 66 - Southwestern 51
The Stags came out of the gate with a fury, going up 19-2, and held Southwestern without a field goal for the first 7 minutes of the game. They were suffocating on defense and were impressive in transition and their half court offense looked precise as they were getting layups or wide-open 3s. They continued to put the pressure on and ended the half up 42-17.

The second half was an entirely different story. The Stags were extremely flat and looked unmotivated and sloppy. While they maintained a 15-25pt lead for most of the half, they looked lackadasical and careless. Scali was clearly unhappy with their effort, especially on the defensive end and let the know about it. It was frustrating to watch after the first half showed how impressive and engaged they could be.

Individually, I was blown away with how good Blees and Mani looked live. They worked well as a tandem, torching teams with their scoring and passing. Blees was able to get to the rim at will, and Mani was pure as usual from midrange. Gaffney was saddled with foul trouble the whole game and had trouble getting into a rythm, but still looked solid at the 2. Pinson looked great and really got the team out and going and looked good shooting the rock. As usual, Anderson was flying around the court wreaking havoc defensively and on the boards. Off the bench, Mivshek, Sullivan, Donnelly, Cain provided solid minutes, and freshman Mkpado and Grodahl looked good while they were out there.

Overall, the Stags took care of business in the 1st half, but let off the gas and showed a lack of effort in the 2nd half.

Box Score: http://www.scacsports.com/sports/mbkb/2011-12/box_scores/20111118_qgu7.xml

CMS 70 - Trinity (TX) 41
In an early 2pm start, against a good Trinity team, I was half expecting the Stags to labor through the game. We usually do not travel well, and especially not during the early games. I was happily surprised as they came out with another burst and were up 27-10 with 5 minutes to go in the first half. The Stags really put on a defensive clinic and handled Trinity's high-post flex offense really well. They moved as a unit on the defesnive end and really provided help to each other while recovering. This led to run-outs, transition, and easy baskets for the Stags. Offensively, the Stags showed their versatility as they went 10-24 from 3, and 19-31 from 2.

Individually, Blees was impressive and left me laughing at the degree of difficulty on some of his finishes. He was denied a perfect 9-9 by an athletic block from a Trinity big. Also showed some range by hitting a 3 in the 1st half. Maciera was deadly from the high post and some finishes around the rim that reminded me of his 06-07 year. Off the bench, Mivshek was awesome getting to the rack and was feeling it from deep.

They put together 40 minutes of sustained intensity and beat a very good Trinity team. If they are able to play this way through the season, I really believe the team is in the top 15 nationally. The scariest part of it all is that they have lots of areas to still improve on, and I know that when Scali and the staff looks at the film, they'll see many areas to really get detailed and excel. In talking with all the guys after the game, they really are starting to believe in the system and in each other. I'm excited to see how they develop through the course of the year and hope they continue improving and take care of business in the Wells Classic.

Box Score: http://www.trinitytigers.com/sports/mbkb/2011-12/stats/mbkb03.htm
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldchap on November 21, 2011, 02:40:49 PM
Chapman is here and very proud to be part of the SCIAC family (although this year, we aren't eligible for the Conference championship).

This year, the Chapman team has lost 2 key players to graduation, Ramme and Riley, plus a slew of other very important role players. One of our seniors dropped out for personal reasons before the new season started. There are only 4 returning players. Nearly all others are freshmen. So if the team is a mystery to an outside observer, it is as much of a mystery even for those who have been following them for a few years. However, you can count on Coach Bokosky to make the best of what he has. He is one of the best D3 coaches on the West Coast (if not the best) and he will make a difference in close games.

It is a little soon to tell, but looking at the first four games they played (two SCIAC teams, and two exhibition games, one of which was against highly rated D1 UC Santa Barbara), this team makes up for their lack of experience with a lot of scrappiness, intelligence and will power. Actually even the coach is a bit stunned at their resilience and competitiveness. But of course, they could very well crumble later in the season. Or explode. Only future will tell...

Although Withworth is generally a cut above the rest in the West, this year's Panthers will do everything in their power to give them a run for their money. We are all looking forward to a re-match of the double loss the Pirates inflicted Chapman in the round of 32 of the playoffs two years in a row. And this time, it will be on neutral ground, which will be a little less forgiving to the last winner.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hugenerd on November 23, 2011, 02:10:42 PM
Caltech picked up their first won of the season to move to 1-1 (both games against non-D3).
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on November 23, 2011, 02:31:40 PM
Quote from: Hugenerd on November 23, 2011, 02:10:42 PM
Caltech picked up their first won of the season to move to 1-1 (both games against non-D3).

How informative.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on November 23, 2011, 03:17:41 PM
OxyBob:

If your comment was regarding lack of further info the Cal Tech victory, I suggest you check out the Cal Tech web site.

If your comment was sarcastic, there are many, many posters that post a brief statement like that....why don't you do that more often with those posters.

If your comment was because you still have a funny feeling in your stomach from last year's Oxy loss to Cal Tech and  that you now expect them to win a few games....well, I can buy that.

IMHO, I can't figure out why you would toss a "zinger" at  Hugenerd.  Cheer up, the holidays are here.

Happy Holidays to ALL posters.

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etule on November 23, 2011, 03:37:00 PM
LOL  Happy Thanksgiving 8-)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: goldsoundz on November 23, 2011, 04:22:32 PM
Solid win for Caltech considering they had two starters, including their best player, out for this game.  Pacifica is a decent guard-heavy team, better than their record indicates.  Only play 7 guys big minutes, so they get worn down late in games.  But they played CMS tough on the road and led at halftime, so they have some talent.

This is the deepest Caltech team in recent history.  It looks like the rotation is about 10 deep this year, with 2 freshman.  6 of the guys are juniors who saw heavy minutes the last two years.  The freshman PG Joel is solid - he started the last game and is averaging 12.5 pts/4.5 ast on nice percentages the first two games.  Lots of TO but that's expected for a freshman PG.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on November 23, 2011, 04:58:18 PM
Quote from: goldsoundz on November 23, 2011, 04:22:32 PM
Solid win for Caltech considering they had two starters, including their best player, out for this game.  Pacifica is a decent guard-heavy team, better than their record indicates.  Only play 7 guys big minutes, so they get worn down late in games.  But they played CMS tough on the road and led at halftime, so they have some talent.

This is the deepest Caltech team in recent history.  It looks like the rotation is about 10 deep this year, with 2 freshman.  6 of the guys are juniors who saw heavy minutes the last two years.  The freshman PG Joel is solid - he started the last game and is averaging 12.5 pts/4.5 ast on nice percentages the first two games.  Lots of TO but that's expected for a freshman PG.
That is more like it. But I would expect that from a Stanford guy.  +k and +k for your first post.  It only allows one per day, however. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on November 24, 2011, 09:04:59 AM
Quote from: goldsoundz on November 23, 2011, 04:22:32 PM
Solid win for Caltech considering they had two starters, including their best player, out for this game.  Pacifica is a decent guard-heavy team, better than their record indicates.
...

This is the deepest Caltech team in recent history.  It looks like the rotation is about 10 deep this year, with 2 freshman.  6 of the guys are juniors who saw heavy minutes the last two years.

goldsoundz, welcome to the board.

Oxy didn't fair as well against Pacifica, losing 67-66. (I am not sure what Pacifica College is, though I believe that it's somehow loosely affiliated with the NAIA, and is not to be confused with Pacifica Graduate Institute or the University of the Pacific, but I digress.) Oxy led 11-0 to start the game, but only led by two at halftime. In the second half the Tigers fell behind by 9, tied it with 1:25 left, but couldn't get over. Deshun McCoy scored 27 and Conrad Liebowitz had 14. Glaring stat: 17 turnovers.

From what I saw of Oxy against St. Thomas, the Tigers are not deep.

Next for Oxy (1-2) is UDallas (1-3) this Saturday at 6:00 p.m. at Caltech, while CIT (1-1) plays Stevens (3-1) at 4:00 p.m. for further details...

QuoteI suggest you check out the Cal Tech web site.

Then on Sunday it's over to Oxy for Caltech vs. UDallas at 2:00 p.m. and Oxy vs. Stevens at 4:00 p.m.

dahlby, heartiest congratulations on your recent appointment as the SCIAC message board hall monitor!

http://www.imdb.com/video/screenplay/vi1891631385

P.S. It's Caltech, not Cal Tech.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on November 24, 2011, 10:57:04 AM
OxyBob,
The comparative scores with Pacifica do not bode well for an Oxy revenge win with Caltech during SCIAC play.  At least I won't be awakened this season with the NPR cute joke at the half hour telling me that Caltech has broken its SCIAC losing streak. :-[
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gosox on November 25, 2011, 12:46:45 AM
Looking forward to reading some more qoutes and quips this year from this board. It is always interesting to see others insites into the SCIAC Basketball Season.   Should be an interesting year for all teams...My best wishes to a healthy year for all players on all teams!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on November 25, 2011, 12:46:32 PM
Wells Classic Preview:

Friday Night
CMS vs St. Olaf 5PM
Dominican vs Pomona-Pitzer 7PM
All games at Pomona's Raines Center

I am really looking forward to hearing about the CMS St Olaf game. From what I hear St Olaf is going to be a decent team in the always difficult MIAC and this will be a good litmus test to see if the Stags are for real. If memory serves me right, 2 years ago, the Stags were mopped up pretty good by Alfred Jaryan to the tune of 30pts 8rebs and 3assts on an extremely efficient night (http://www.cmsathletics.org/sports/mbkb/2009-10/stats/STO-CMS.HTM).  I'm pretty sure that Blees remembers that game, and he and Joey are probably the only 2 guys who are returning from that team. It should be a fun start to the classic and I'm excited to hear how the Stags respond. They had a successful trip to Texas and can hopefully build on that momentum this weekend.


From what I've read and heard, Pomona is back this year. They played Pepperdine competitive and then took St Thomas down to 2OTs before falling. I'll be excited to hear see how they play this weekend.

Saturday Night
St Olaf vs P-P
Dominican vs CMS
All Games at CMS Ducey Gym

Don't know much about Dominican, but its always a fun game to play at home in the Wells Classic. This tournament means alot to both the men's and women's program as Coach David wells is has his stamp all over the Stags. I know these game mean the most to Scali as Coach Wells was a huge mentor to him and always tells his guys in the shootaround that it's important to play hard always, but especially in this Classic. I'm excited to see the guys get after in and get out of the weekend 2 - 0.

Predictions:

CMS and PP sweep the Classic.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on November 25, 2011, 03:04:34 PM
Whitworth over CLU 67-53.
Chapman vs Whitman at noon.

CLU takes on Whitworth tomorrow while Chapman takes on Whitworth.
Games are being played  in the Bay Area.

Live stats are available for all games.

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on November 26, 2011, 10:13:58 PM
Eyewitness report from Caltech.

Caltech lost 91-78 but not sure the game was really that close...they were down by 24 at one point and the subs for Stevens played a good bit in the second half. 

Caltech was out-energied tonight...came out flat and probably lost the game in the first 10 minutes.  They made a great effort at a comeback in the second half but they dug themselves into too deep of a hole.  Great play from Mike Edwards in the second half -- finished as the high scorer.  Bryan Joel looked strong...hitting 3's, limiting turnovers, looking much more confident. Todd Cramer was clearly still hindered by his shoulder (cut in a dive/foul into the bleachers in Vanguard game).  Here's hoping for a better showing tomorrow against Dallas.

Watched the first half of Dallas/Oxy...neither team appears to be all that deep which will make back to back games interesting for them tomorrow.  Dallas looks to have twe studs #22 and #30...30 in the post and 22 can shoot the three ball and drive to the hoop. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on November 27, 2011, 10:50:14 PM
Eyewitness report from from the Caltech game at Oxy:

Well, the first half of this game was about the ugliest half of basketball I've seen ever.  University of Dallas shot 28% from the field and Caltech shot 18%.  Caltech was getting good looks but nothing (I mean NOTHING) went in...Caltech succeeded in getting to the line a bit in the first half but only shot 41% from there.  Score at half time: 22-17.

Fortunately, the real Caltech team showed up in the second half: they moved the ball much better, they ratcheted up the defense, and they shot 57% for the half...in other words, they woke up.  Final score: 69-53.

Todd Cramer's shoulder looked much better...he played much more freely and he put up great numbers (16 pts, 12 reb, 7 asst and 2 steals).  Mike Edwards continued his hot streak scoring 21 points.  Bryan Joel played another great game.  I thought Runkel, Hogue and Boroson played some great Defense, but the refs thought they were fouling a lot............the refs called a LOT of fouls in this game.

If Caltech can string two of these halves where they get things moving together they could be scoring 90+ points  game which is exciting...let's hope they figure that out.

Watched a few minutes of the Oxy/Stevens Inst game...neither of these teams shot well either.  #22 for Stevens is a great player -- 20 points and 14 rebounds.  After he did so well at Pepperdine, I was shocked at how many little chippies Liebowitz missed...hurt? tired? bad day??

Out of the 4 teams today, Caltech had the best shooting percentage at 38%.....I'm going to go out on a limb and say that back to back games may have gotten to all of these teams.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on November 28, 2011, 09:30:36 AM
Wells Classic Recap:

CMS and P-P both swept their games, each soundly defeating Dominican and squeaking by vs St. Olaf.

I caught some of the CMS-Dominican game online, and the Stags looked active and aggressive offensively. Jack Grodahl, a frosh from Portland, lit up the court in the second half knocking in 4 straight 3's and really putting the game out of reach. In what is seemingly turning routine, Blees got 20 and 8, but had an even more impressive 11, 11 and 8 vs St Olaf. Shows the growth in his game as his court vision has improved and has become a more willing passer.

The Stags really enter the toughest part of their non-conference schedule starting on Saturday. They play 4 games in 8 days, with 3 games against GSAC schools and the other against Chapman. This will really test their endurance and show what they are made of. They host The Masters College on Dec 3, then play @ San Diego Christian on Dec 5, play @ Chapman Dec 7 and then finish the stretch with their toughest game hosting Point Loma.

I think coming out of this stretch at 3-1 will be a huge week for the stags, and I'm obviously hoping for a 4-0 weekend. It will be difficult with finals around the corner and GSAC schools really getting ready for conference play, but I think the Stags will be up for the challenge.

In other SCIAC news, impressive start to the season from Cal Tech, CLU looks to be in good form playing competitive games with the top 2 teams from the NWC, and  Pomona looks to be back in the thick of it from their early season performances.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on November 28, 2011, 02:08:18 PM
Quote from: stag44 on November 28, 2011, 09:30:36 AM
The Stags really enter the toughest part of their non-conference schedule starting on Saturday. They play 4 games in 8 days, with 3 games against GSAC schools and the other against Chapman. This will really test their endurance and show what they are made of. They host The Masters College on Dec 3, then play @ San Diego Christian on Dec 5, play @ Chapman Dec 7 and then finish the stretch with their toughest game hosting Point Loma.

The GSAC teams are always a challenge for SCIAC teams. That's a tough NAIA conference. Looking forward to the Stags' game against Point Loma and their all-GSAC guard Marek Klassen.

Chapman should be well-rested when they play CMS. Instead of a 2400-mile 11-hour round trip, the Panthers only had to make a 400-mile trip to Concord over the weekend to get worked over by Whitworth again.

Oxy is 2-3 after beating UDallas 72-65 and losing to Stevens 63-49 (or 63-50 if you look at the play-by-play). In the UDallas game, Oxy was down 5 at halftime but took the lead 44-42 at 13:40 and didn't give it up. In the Stevens game the Tigers led 26-25 at the half, and were up 6 at 18:00, but Stevens got the lead at 37-36 and led the rest of the way.

Oxy has West Coast Baptist at home tomorrow night at 7:30 p.m.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldchap on November 28, 2011, 03:15:04 PM
Eyewitness from Diablo Valley College this weekend:

As I said before, I believe that the North West Conference is just a cut above us down South. Perhaps it's because the kids down here have some life after basketball (I'm being facetious of course...)

The Panthers came back empty handed from their trip up in the bay area.

In the game against Whitman, they just couldn't recover from a disastrous first 8 minutes, where they made only 3 baskets out of 11 attempts, some of them easy layups or wide open shots. It was 7-23 after David Michaels made a thunderous dunk, drawing the cheers from the Whitman fans. Down by 14 at the half, Chapman just couldn't come back from this deficit and ended up the game with a 77-64 loss, actually managing a 1 point win in the second half, on much better shooting. Probably what broke the Panthers back in this game were the career high 31 points by senior David Michaels. A Big shooting 3 for 4 from the 3-point line is uncommon and makes it that much harder to guard. He was hot that day and any time the Panthers would cut the deficit, he would respond with authority.

For the Panthers, Ricard finished the game with a career high 23 point, on 10-18 shooting, although he missed a few easy looks. Lin had 12 points. His deadly 3-point shooting was off that day, unfortunately. All others scored in the single digits. Let's note the excellent contribution off the bench by Freshman Jordan Young, who is turning out to be a great clutch shooter from 3-point land.

In the game against Whitworth, Chapman played great defense, keeping the Pirates at 58 points, but just didn't have any answer offensively in the post, against the "twin towers" Friedt and Loofburrow.  Ricard was 4 for 12 for a measly 8 points, although the unbalance of free throw shooting definitely points towards unbalanced refereeing (14 to 5?!). The refs called fouls they wouldn't call on the other side and missed several obvious ones in favor of Chapman. Having realized that, I think they tried to tilt the balance to the other side at the end of the game but at that point, it didn't matter much.

Without any offense inside, the Panthers couldn't manage good outside shooting either, with the usual sharp shooters like Lin and Avalos going 2 for 8 from the 3-point line. Just like against the Missionaries, the Pirates pretty much led from start to finish (the only Chapman lead was 4-3 a minute and a half into the game). I would like to acknowledge the excellent work of Colin Chadwick who had some key plays, went 3 for 6 shooting and managed 8 rebounds. The refs unfortunately didn't spare him and he could only play 24 minutes because of foul trouble.

Final Score: Pirates 58, Panthers 44

I will say that for all the gloom and doom of this weekend's two losses, I can see a team in rebuild mode that cares, works hard, is focused and doesn't give up. They show a lot of heart, intelligence and competitiveness. If this season doesn't turn out to be like the last two, the new members have a lot to look forward to in coming years because they are getting a lot of experience at a young age and are showing great skills and athleticism.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldchap on November 28, 2011, 03:27:20 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on November 28, 2011, 02:08:18 PM

Chapman should be well-rested when they play CMS. Instead of a 2400-mile 11-hour round trip, the Panthers only had to make a 400-mile trip to Concord over the weekend to get worked over by Whitworth again.


I'm sure the Panthers would have gladly traded a leisurely plane ride to the Midwest against a grueling 18-hour bus ride.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on December 02, 2011, 12:22:27 AM
Caltech wins again at West Coast Baptist.
Redlands, Pomona, UCSC and Chapman all win at the Redlands Tourney.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on December 02, 2011, 12:26:32 AM
Caltech with another win!...beat west coast baptist 95-79....I only saw the last ten minutes streamed online, but my guess is they were FINALLY clicking for two halves.

The portion of the game I watched was fast paced and sloppy...west coast baptist's offense was blitzing down the court, jacking a shot and repeat....Caltech was getting great shots and knocking them down.

High scorers Bryan Joel and Mike Edwards each with 22.

By the by...Mike Edwards was averaging 20.8 points a game going into tonight (and he beat that average tonight), but he's not credited with top conference scorer on the SCIAC website...in fact he's somehow not even on the list....what's up with that???  http://www.thesciac.org/sports/mbkb/2011-12/stats/confldrs.htm ....is there some rule I'm unaware of???

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: goldsoundz on December 02, 2011, 02:30:35 AM
Watched the most of the Caltech @ West Coast Baptist game online.  The stream came on with about 3 minutes to go in the first half.  The announcers mentioned Caltech was hot early and jumped into the lead, but the game was back and forth for most of the 1st half.  The box score isn't up yet, but from what I recall:

Caltech was just the better team.  WCB was down ~10 at halftime after Bryan Joel got hot and knocked down 4 first half threes. ending with 16 first half points.  Caltech started the 2nd half on a 5-0 run to extend the lead.  WCB cut the lead to single digits a few times, but Caltech always had a response.  Todd Cramer and Mike Edwards carried the team in the 2nd half.  Cramer still looked rusty shooting after the shoulder injury, but he was killing on the boards and had some impressive assists.  Wouldn't be surprised if we had another near triple-double.  Also the freshman Andrew Hogue looked solid shooting from outside and finishing inside.

Caltech could have hit 100 tonight if they made some more free throws.  They give up 79 but a lot of that is the result of an uptempo game and WCB piling on 3's at the end trying to cut the lead.  They've got some very winnable games with Macalaster (0-4), Hamline (1-3), and UC Santa Cruz (2-3) coming up before playing Chapman at home. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on December 02, 2011, 12:38:02 PM
I know everyone probably has enough info on Caltech's game last night, but I can't resist.

Box score came out:  Cramer with a 19 pt, 9 rebound, 9 assist, and 4 steal night.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on December 04, 2011, 01:03:05 PM
Nice win for Claremont over The Master's last night. From the TMC web site:

QuoteClaremont is better known for its academics but on Saturday evening the NCAA Division III Stags showed they could perform out of the classroom, too, as they built a 20-point halftime and then held off The Master's College 71-65 to hand the Mustangs their first loss (6-1) of the 2011-12 season.

The host Stags built their large, first-half lead on the strength of 56% shooting from the field, including a 5-10 showing from behind the arc.  Meanwhile, the Mustangs managed just 35% accuracy and were just 2-9 from three-point range en route to a 41-21 halftime deficit.

They turned things around significantly in the second half but fell just short of a dramatic comeback.  Hitting 57% of their shots over the final 20 minutes, highlighted by a 7-12 display from long range, the Mustangs got back into the game but weren't able to rally all the way back as the Stags (5-25, 20% in the second half) iced the win at the free throw line, going 18-21 in the second half.

For CMS, Cody Mivshek scored 21, Chris Blees had 14 plus 11 rebs, Tyler Gaffaney scored 13, and Mani Maceira had 10.

Claremont (6-0) plays another GSAC team, San Diego Christian, tomorrow night in El Cajon.

Redlands won the Lee Fulmer Tournament with a 67-54 victory over Pomona. Chapman beat UCSC for third place, and La Verne won the consolation game over Arizona Christian University.

Oxy played an Alumni game yesterday. Hopefully this year's team won.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on December 05, 2011, 06:59:25 PM
Pomona Pitzer's Michael Cohen made D3hoops team of the week for this past week.

http://d3hoops.com/awards/tow/2011-12/week2
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldchap on December 05, 2011, 07:22:17 PM
Eyewitness from Redlands for the Lee Fulmer tournament:

The Chapman team couldn't make a repeat of last year's tournament win. They finished third with a 2-1 record, losing a close game by 1 point to Pomona-Pitzer, who eventually lost to Redlands in the finals.

In their first game, the Panthers played La Verne for the second time this season and as a matter of fact, it was a carbon copy of their first meeting. The first half saw neither team take a clear advantage, with Chapman pulling a laborious 6 point advantage in the end and the Leopards staying in the game with a stellar 6 for 8 shooting from downtown. Then, La Verne fell behind by as much as 23 points when they went on a scoring drought for the first 7 minutes of the second half. That was too much to recover and the game was over at that point. Ricard had his first double-double of his career on 8 of 11 field goals. Kudos to Hamazaki, our second point guard who was almost perfect from the field and finished in double digits for the first time.

I will have a hard time talking about the second game, especially in view of the other performance the Sagehens mustered in the finals. I am tempted to say that they had the perfect game against the Panthers, shooting better than 68% overall and hitting 6 of 8 3-pointers. OK, the Panthers had a dismal showing in defense, not being aggressive enough and letting them off the hook on too many open shots, but still, PP made their shots!!  The Panthers had a really good offense going too, making 13 of 24 from beyond the arc otherwise the game would have been a massacre. But the refs weren't calling anything, which clearly favored the team with the more aggressive defense. As proof, fouls per team was 12 and 13 FOR THE ENTIRE GAME!! Sometimes, you get that many in one half. To be fair, the score really doesn't reflect the reality of the game. The Panthers never led and they barely dug themselves out of a 14 point deficit. But the last 3 minutes of the game were entirely for the Panthers. PP was clearly spent and had the game gone into overtime, I bet doughnuts for dollars that the Panthers would have pulled away with a win.

Lin was sharp in this game with 5 of 9 3-pointers, one of which brought Chapman within 2, 10 second before the end. He finished with 19. Another of our sharp shooter, Freshman Jordan Young made 5 of 7 3-pointers and had 16 points in the contest.

The Sagehens have a very good team this year: they are quick, they run the floor, they move the ball with ease, they are smart and they are deadly from the outside (in a good day...) Not really a physical team, just well coached and disciplined. Knowing that the biggest threat was going to come from under the basket, they played a collapsing zone defense which really frustrated our Bigs. And it's not until the guards started hitting their outside shots, that the game started opening up down low. By then it was too late.

Now, I didn't watch the finals against Redlands, but looking at the stats, I can't believe that it was the same team that showed up the following night. Against Redlands, they shot 33% overall and 19% from 3-point range!! OK, you can say it's all about defense and I will be the first one to admit that the Panthers have a lot of work to do in this area, but the difference points to another reality.

Chapman also played UC Santa Cruz for the third place. In this contest, the Panthers struggled to mount any kind of decent run in the first half, even falling behind by as much as 8 points midway through. But good player rotation and excellent contribution by most, finally gave Chapman a comfortable lead which they didn't relinquish until the end.

UC Santa Cruz is improving every year and this time is no exception. Brent Jacobs blocked 5 shots during the contest and generally was a pest for our Bigs around the basket, whether in offense or defense. Samuel Allen went perfect from the field, both in shots and free throws, for an excellent 18 point performance in only 18 minutes of play.

For the Panthers, 4 players were in double digits. Special mention to Nick Dragovich who is playing strong games around the basket. He fights for every ball, isn't afraid of banging around guys much bigger than him, rebounds really well for his size and overall instills energy into the team every time he is on the floor.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cmsme on December 05, 2011, 10:17:05 PM
CMS Peope:  Game tonight (Dec 5) is at 7:30, according to San Diego Christian website. They also have live stats link at bottom of basketball home page.   http://www.sdcc.edu/livestats/xlive.htm



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Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cmsme on December 06, 2011, 12:11:55 AM
I've been watching the live stats on the CMS vs San Diego Christian game. Its been very exciting--especially considering the stats are updated only occasionally. CMS has led by a little most of the game. Hope they can hold on. :)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on December 06, 2011, 05:08:09 AM
Quote from: cmsme on December 06, 2011, 12:11:55 AM
CMS has led by a little most of the game. Hope they can hold on.

They did. Claremont 71, San Diego Christian 69.

Quote from: oldchap on December 05, 2011, 07:22:17 PM
I will have a hard time talking about the second game, especially in view of the other performance the Sagehens mustered in the finals.

I am tempted to say that they had the perfect game against the Panthers, shooting better than 68% overall and hitting 6 of 8 3-pointers.

But the refs weren't calling anything, which clearly favored the team with the more aggressive defense. As proof, fouls per team was 12 and 13 FOR THE ENTIRE GAME!! Sometimes, you get that many in one half.

PP was clearly spent and had the game gone into overtime, I bet doughnuts for dollars that the Panthers would have pulled away with a win.

Now, I didn't watch the finals against Redlands, but looking at the stats, I can't believe that it was the same team that showed up the following night.

OK, you can say it's all about defense and I will be the first one to admit that the Panthers have a lot of work to do in this area, but the difference points to another reality.

What a whiner.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on December 06, 2011, 11:25:58 AM
Great win for the stags down in San Diego over another GSAC team, pushing them to 2-0 in this stretch.

Now is the game that really has D3 implications and the Stags always have circled. Tomorrow night they go into Hutton to play Chapman. It will be their 3rd game in 5 nights and probably in a hostile environment. Chapman doesn't have their usual suspects from the last 3 years, but will always be competitive. It seems like Ricard and Lin have really picked up the slack and frosh Young from Keppel has come in impressive.

As for the Stags, they have had an impressive offensive games through this 7-0 stretch, and have shown glimpses of defensive dominance. An alarming stat was Maciera and Blees going a pathetic 4-13 from the free throw line. Its out of character, but something that needs to be addressed. The Stags as a team are shooting sub 70% from the line and need that fixed going forward.

One of the biggest surprises for me thus far for the Stags has been rebounding margin. They are +14.8 right now, which is just astonishing. I don't have any D3 stats yet, but I can assure you this is right up there in the top of the nation. It's an aspect of the game that Scali really empasizes, especially in rivalry games, so its very nice to see the Stags dominating on the boards.


I'll be very curious/excited to see how the Stags are able to play on Wednesday. They have had 2 big GSAC wins, and would be easy to lay an egg vs Chapman. For some reason I think that Blees will have a bad taste in his mouth from his last game vs them in the NCAA tournament, where he shot 2-13 and looked just gassed at the end of the game.

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on December 06, 2011, 12:42:26 PM
Quote from: stag44 on December 06, 2011, 11:25:58 AM
One of the biggest surprises for me thus far for the Stags has been rebounding margin. They are +14.8 right now, which is just astonishing. I don't have any D3 stats yet, but I can assure you this is right up there in the top of the nation.

SUNY Old Westbury led D-III in 2010-11 with a 10.7 rebound margin. Top 10 perennial Amherst was second at 10.0.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cmsme on December 07, 2011, 12:28:26 AM
What websites are there for D3 Basketball statistics?
I have looked at ncaa.com and d3boards. I didn't see much, but maybe i am looking in wrong area.
Is there some other website to look?
Thank you  :)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on December 07, 2011, 03:18:17 PM
Quote from: cmsme on December 07, 2011, 12:28:26 AM
What websites are there for D3 Basketball statistics?

NCAA puts D-III stats on its web site here:

http://www.ncaa.com/stats/basketball-men/d3

Unfortunately, the stats are only good for games played through March 20, 2011.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: John Gleich on December 07, 2011, 07:34:05 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on December 07, 2011, 03:18:17 PM
Quote from: cmsme on December 07, 2011, 12:28:26 AM
What websites are there for D3 Basketball statistics?

NCAA puts D-III stats on its web site here:

http://www.ncaa.com/stats/basketball-men/d3

Unfortunately, the stats are only good for games played through March 20, 2011.

OxyBob

... The leaders list is so variable in the beginning of the year that they don't even put it out until later in the year... perhaps early January?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CMSfan on December 07, 2011, 09:27:52 PM
Quote from: stag44 on December 06, 2011, 11:25:58 AM
One of the biggest surprises for me thus far for the Stags has been rebounding margin.

I'm not surprised.  ;)

Quote from: CMSfan on November 16, 2011, 01:17:22 AM
Blees was tentative at times, but looks primed for a great year.  Maceira looked great.  With the two of them and Joey Anderson, I imagine we'll see the Stags out-rebounding most opponents (though maybe not quite like tonight's 38-18 advantage, which included an impressive 21 offensive boards).
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cmsme on December 07, 2011, 10:16:51 PM
Chapman--the schedule says that today's game (Dec 7) is going to have video/live stats/audio. I am getting nothing. Do I need to do something?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on December 07, 2011, 10:24:19 PM
Quote from: cmsme on December 07, 2011, 10:16:51 PM
Chapman--the schedule says that today's game (Dec 7) is going to have video/live stats/audio. I am getting nothing. Do I need to do something?

no video, but audio
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on December 08, 2011, 08:25:47 AM
Good win for the Stags last night 57-45 over Chapman.

http://www.cmsathletics.org/sports/mbkb/2011-12/files/CMS-CU.HTM

Nice for them to get the always pesky Chapman off the schedule as the Stags moved to 8-0. They get an "extra" day of rest and will be hosting Point Loma on Saturday night to end their schedule pre-winter break. More importantly they have the opportunity to go 4-0 through their gauntlet of 3 GSAC teams and Chapman in 8 days.

The Stags got a very balanced performance top to bottom with 5 players scoring 8+ pts. They were paced by Blees who put up a very average 12 and 8, and from the audio was seeing double and triple teams as soon as he put the ball on the floor. He was helped by nice games from Gaffney (11 and 3) and Anderson (10 and 5). Off the bench providing their usual scoring punch were Mivshek and Sullivan with 8 pts each and contributing all the 3s the Stags made.

Impressively they held Chapman to 45 pts. I have to give credit to Chapman for hanging tough for a bulk of the game. There were a couple of times I thought the Stags were just going to blow it open in the first half, but Chapman hung in there. In the end the Stags methodically built on their lead and showed why they are 8-0.

On an aside, the matchups I have circled right now for the SCIAC season will be Jan 18 and Jan 21 when CMS visits PP and Whittier. Those 2 teams have shown they will be competing with the Stags for the title this year. Whittier seems to be flying under the radar, but they have put up gaudy offensive numbers, averaging 88pts/game. I haven't seen them play, but I'm assuming they are pressing and getting up and down the floor with ease. To be honest I really can't wait to see Blees, Maciera, Gaffney and Anderson out on the break with regularity. Against Whitman in 08-09, Blees torched their press for 35, 9 and 6. I also am a firm believe if Blees ever had a chance to play against the Redlands system he would have had 40, 15, 15 or something absurd like that.

But the most important thing for the Stags remains PLNU on Saturday. This will be an easy let down game as the players are getting ready for Finals and have just won 3 games in 5 nights. PLNU has always posed problems for the Stags and their last win against them was in OT in 05-06 with the help of a FT miss tip in as time expired in regulation from Miles Taylor. PLNU is surprisingly 0-2 in the GSAC losing to Vanguard and Westmont. They are coming off a close exhibition loss to CSU Dominguez Hills and haven't had a W in 3 weeks. I expect a very hotly contested game.

I was corrected by a player on the 09-10 team that they were in fact the last CMS team to win, squeezing out a 64-62 win @ Point Loma. Hopefully the fans come out in full force as it will be their last night of freedom before exam week!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on December 08, 2011, 10:26:09 AM
Quote from: stag44 on December 08, 2011, 08:25:47 AM
Good win for the Stags last night 57-45 over Chapman.

Impressively they held Chapman to 45 pts.

Whittier seems to be flying under the radar, but they have put up gaudy offensive numbers, averaging 88pts/game. I haven't seen them play, but I'm assuming they are pressing and getting up and down the floor with ease.

45 points. Scali ball.

Whittier is pressing about 30 minutes per game.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on December 08, 2011, 02:16:04 PM
Tristan Kirk taking home SCIAC athlete of the week

http://www.thesciac.org/sports/mbkb/2011-12/releases/aow_dec_06_2011

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CMSrhino22 on December 11, 2011, 12:09:02 AM
Good win for the Stags over Point Loma.  I watched the streaming video of the game. I was excited to see this matchup of CMS with one of the perennially top GSAC teams, (who have athletic scholarships to offer their players and are preparing to move to NCAA DII).  From my days of playing under PLNU Head Coach Bill Carr when he was at University of San Diego, I know that he is a great coach who emphasizes disciplined play.

That being said PLNU really had trouble finishing around the basket even when getting 2nd & 3rd chances on a possession.  The stag D frustrated PLNU as they alternated between man and zone.

CMS did good job of defending the post & rebounding even without having a true center in their rotation. They defend the paint with Maciera and Anderson, who bring a lot of athleticism to the table while Blees and Sullivan are strong enough to body up true centers from other teams.  The stags gave great effort on the defensive end to start the game and jumped out to a 30-11 advantage.  This was led by drives from Blees and outside shooting from Gaffney, Pinson, Maciera and even Anderson.  Anderson looked comfortable shooting the ball from outside, which represents a large step forward in the game of the two time 2nd team All-SCIAC forward.

After the hot start CMS seemed to get a little complacent and the energy on the defensive end dropped, allowing PLNU to climb their way back into the game.  CMS went into halftime with a 37-23 lead.

PLNU tried to use both zone & man traps against the stags to away blees's driving lanes but CMS countered with great ball movement and unselfish play to handle the pressure and create open looks for their capable shooters.

I was very impressed with CMS backcourt (Pinson & Gaffaney) who both started on last years team as freshmen.  They have both taken huge strides to improve their games this season, with Pinson becoming much more of a true PG and leader on the court.  Gaffaney is probably the most improved player on the team and looked very comfortable on the offensive end both in driving to the hoop and knocking down jump shots.

In true Bill Carr fashion, I am sure he gave a fiery halftime speech-- because PLNU came out motivated to start the 2nd half.  They picked up the intensity on defense, attacked the stags in the post wherever they felt they had mismatches—even posting up their PG and immediately trimmed the lead to 10. Scali had to use an early timeout to refocus the team and get the effort level back up.  (Which led to Kevin Sullivan getting called for the foul when ripping through with the ball-- which is something I know Scali instructs his players to do on a daily basis ☺ )

PLNU kept it close for the next ten minutes—staying about 9 points behind CMS until Chris Blees went on a tear, driving by his man repeatedly in the open court for both layups and assists while stretching the lead to 19.  Bill Carr called a timeout to sub out his whole lineup, but the stags never looked back and cruised to a 65-49 victory.

I was also impressed with CMS' depth, no letdown occurred when Donnely, Mivshek, & Sullivan rotate in to the lineup and they bring a lot of scoring off the bench.  Would have liked to see some Cam Cain action earlier in the game, who I know is an incredibly hard worker and solid player.

Overall a good win for the stags against a strong opponent in PLNU.  This brings the Stags to 9-0, and I would think we will see them move into the top 25.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cmsme on December 11, 2011, 10:17:39 AM
Thank you to everyone for the basketball comments.I get a lot out of these posts.  :-*

I was reading this message board in the multi-region section devoted to a contest on which teams will go the longest with out a loss and without a win. Stagg44 is still a contender!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldchap on December 12, 2011, 01:57:31 AM
I wasn't at the CU-CMS game so my comments are second hand from other observers who were at the game.

This time the Panthers put together a decent showing in defense, unlike what they did against PP. For proof, they held Claremont to only 57 points (CMS averages more than 70 points per game) and their All-American graduate star player Chris Blees, to a pedestrian 12 points and 8 rebounds (he averages more than 15 points per game and he has had games in the low 20s). Chapman even managed to out-rebound and out-block a team well known for their strength in this area of the game. They could not however muster any type of offensive rhythm. They went cold from downtown, only making 2 of the 13 attempts for the entire game and shot a dismal 50% from the charity stripe, converting only 5 of 10 free throws. In fact,the free throw difference (-13) pretty much corresponds to the margin of victory for CMS. The Panthers simply fouled too much, which disrupted their offense.

The Stags all-too-famous suffocating defense certainly contributed to the Panthers low shooting percentage, but our guards missed plenty of open shots too. Dragovich had a game high 12 points on 6 of 9 shooting. He isn't afraid to challenge bigger than him and has become a nice offensive weapon under the basket.

The Stags well deserve their thunderous start of the season: they are a well-balanced and solid team with respectable offensive and defensive skills. However for some of the spectators and to some of the Panthers, it wouldn't have been impossible for the Panthers to win that game (unlike let's say, a team like Whitworth). I see the Stags as probable SCIAC champions (Chapman isn't eligible to participate in the Conference this season), although I doubt they will sweep all teams. A team like PP will probably give them fits.

I will write about the CLU-CU game next.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldchap on December 12, 2011, 02:47:40 AM
Eyewitness from Orange, Chapman vs. Cal Lu.:

This time, the Panthers made some needed adjustments on both ends of the floor, especially in defense and apparently these changes paid dividends, as Chapman came away with a good win.

The panthers sprinted to a very fast start helped by a very hot Lin. It was 7-21 about halfway through the first half and the lead even reached 16 points. But the Kingsmen clawed their way back into the game to within 10 points when CU went cold for the second part of the first half. In the last 8 minutes, Chapman only managed one made basket and a pair of free throws.

The second half saw similar dismal shooting from the Panthers. Another 8 minutes went by with only one made basket. The only chance Chapman was having is that Cal Lu was fouling too much and some of their key players were in foul trouble.

About halfway through the second half, the Kingsmen had managed to cut the lead to 6 points though. They were hanging in there and the Panthers couldn't muster any kind of run to put them away.

The end of the game was pretty exciting. With 6 minutes left in the game, the Panthers were ahead by a respectable 10 points. Cal Lu slowly and deliberately cut the deficit down to 2 points with 38 seconds to go, and then again with 18 seconds left on the clock. At that point, CLU could only press and foul. Lin stepped up to the line, having made 6 of his first 7 attempts and low-and-behold, missed his two free throws. On the second miss, the ball bounced to the corner and a diving Ricard grabbed it and called a timeout (you can actually see a cool action shot of this key rebound on the Chapman Athletics website). On the next inbound pass, Lin got fouled again and this time made both free throws. He finished the game with a career high 20 points, with 8 of 11 from the charity stripe. In fact, free throws weighed heavily in the balance, because the Kingsmen shot a poor 40%, converting only 6 of the 15 they were given. Had they been a little more disciplined in this exercise, the game could have taken a different turn.

The Panthers come away with a nice win, with a very good performance on the defensive end of the floor, although Cal Lu held the edge in rebounds. But their big man Van Klaveren couldn't really turn on his offense (he has had several games in the 20s this year and averages nearly 16 points per game), although he finished with a respectable 12 points, 8 rebounds. Nettles had a key 3-pointer to cut the lead to 2 at the end of the game.

This young Chapman team is still in construction. They continue to show grit, intelligence and decent skills. This game showed that they have made a tremendous amount of progress in learning to play as a team, although it was still far from perfect. The end of the season is a little easier, which is too bad. They may become complacent.

The next game however is Redlands, who won the Lee Fulmers Tournament and despite the Panthers early win against them, is sure to give them fits this time around.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on December 13, 2011, 12:00:28 AM
Eyewitness report from Minnesota; Caltech at Macalaster.

Heading out east was definitely a test for Caltech...the talent in the MIAC is undeniable (they have the reigning D3 champs in their conference).  Macalaster has played some very stiff competition this year already, and their win-less record has come at the hands of some stiff competition.

Macalaster did not have Chris Quinn tonight, their starting point guard and one of their scorers.  They did have Pierce Peters and Sam Marshall.  Both are excellent players: Marshall is a bruiser down low and Pierce can shoot lights out....he seemingly didn't miss...contested shots were just going down like water....5/6 from three and 10/16 for the game with ten rebounds.

The game started with a lot of scoring as you might expect from two teams that didn't really know each other's tendencies.  Caltech got some great early offense from Pan Wang.  Later in the half Todd Cramer and Mike Edwards got a two man game going. The half ended with a buzzer beater from Cramer just inside the arc to give Caltech a 1 point advantage at the half.  Cramer ended the half with 9 assists! and Edwards with 15 points.  Pierce Peters hit for 17 in the first half.  Caltech's offense hummed: the ball zipped, they hit 3 back doors for lay ups which opened up their shooters who hit some threes.

The second half was more physical than the first and the refs did nothing to dissuade this.  Everyone banged this game and I'm sure everyone went how with lots of ice on.  Caltech was able to extend their lead to 8 once and again later to 7 but Pierce Peters seemed to have an answer each time and bring the game back to a 2-3 point margin.  Macalaster focused more on Cramer and Caltech focused more on Peters.

Peters hit a three to bring the Scots within two with 1:57 left, but Edwards blocked a Sam Marshall shot on the next trip and then hit two free throws on the other end of the floor to put Caltech up by 4.  From there, Caltech got enough stops and  Wang, Edwards, and Hogue hit enough free throws to seal a 71-65 victory.

Cramer finished the game with 19 pts, 10 assists and 4 rebounds; Edwards finished with 22 pts (and one huge block); Wang finished with 12 points and 3 steals.  Pierce Peters finished with 28 points and 10 rebounds and was certainly the best player on the floor.

Also of note, Mike Paluchniak made his first appearance of the season.  He needs to shake off a bit of rust I'd say, but he hit a three, showed that he still has a strong desire and ability to play defense and was active as a leader.

Big win for Caltech....they continue to learn how to win....Hamline tomorrow...looking forward to it!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on December 13, 2011, 09:27:34 AM
Stags into the top 25 at #22 in the nation!!!

http://www.d3hoops.com/top25/men/2011-12/week3

If memory serves me right, the last SCIAC team ranked was Oxy in 07-08 with Connor Whitman.

Usually SCIAC teams get rather beaten up during the non-conference slate playing GSAC and travelling to play other D3s, and then even a stellar run through conference doesn't get them into the rankings.

Great to see the Stags in the top 25; it is well deserved and to be honest I think that it is still low for them.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on December 13, 2011, 12:44:04 PM
stagg44,
AGREED!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on December 13, 2011, 12:56:32 PM
I would agree with that sentiment as well....Wooster is definitely receiving the "Duke" treatment -- been good for so long they get votes just because....I went there and root for them, and I don't understand how they're still in the top 25 after how they played this week.  I assumed Claremont will only move higher if they keep up their winning ways.

Great for the SCIAC to have a team ranked!!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etule on December 13, 2011, 05:46:10 PM
Clairmont is very good this year ! And deep!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldchap on December 13, 2011, 11:11:43 PM
Quote from: stag44 on December 13, 2011, 09:27:34 AM
If memory serves me right, the last SCIAC team ranked was Oxy in 07-08 with Connor Whitman.

Well since it is now part of the SCIAC, Chapman was the last team ranked last season and the season before. However, technically they weren't part of the Conference then... :P
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on December 14, 2011, 03:07:22 AM
Eyewitness report from Hamline:

Caltech went into this game tired -- they traveled, played a banging game against MacalEster and then less than 24 hours later went in to play Hamline and their uptempo style in a HOT gym (80 degrees?? talk about a home court advantage!)

Caltech started out the game sluggish on offense -- shots were in and out and they looked like they were being forced to play a little faster than they might prefer.  Fortunately their defensive scheme worked for the first 10:30 -- they played a zone to start out against Hamline's drivers and then switched to man when the second unit of shooters came in.  In the first 10:30 of the game, Caltech gave up 12 points and we're hanging in there.

Caltech's defense was predicated on keeping Hamline in the half court, but about 10 minutes in, they started having trouble not getting back to set up in their half court d...ten point lead for Hamline at the half.

The second half was ALL Hamline....they poured it on and never relented.  Caltech was clearly exhausted and could not get back on D (or make a shot).  Hamline's first three possessions of the second half went lay up, 3 pointer, DUNK! and the route was on.

Final score 88-48 (Hamline scored 76 points in the final 30 minutes)...credit to Hamline, they put the screws to Caltech and beat them up good.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on December 14, 2011, 02:55:18 PM
Quote from: stag44 on December 13, 2011, 09:27:34 AM
If memory serves me right, the last SCIAC team ranked was Oxy in 07-08 with Connor Whitman.

It is great to see a SCIAC team in the Top 25. The 2006 Oxy team which lost in the second round to Puget Sound was ranked as high as No. 12. The 2007 team was the one which lost in the playoffs to Mississippi College in the first round. I don't recall if that team was ranked. I'm pretty sure that the 2008 team with Whitman which lost to Whitworth was ranked at some point. PC would probably know.

There was a previous post about Claremont's rebound margin. The Stags are currently ranked 5th in D-III at 12.1; McMurry is No. 1 at 18.0. They're also No. 16 in scoring defense at 56.8 ppg; Rose-Hulman is No. 1 at 50.4 ppg.

Quote from: WoostAr on December 14, 2011, 03:07:22 AM
Caltech went into this game tired -- they traveled, played a banging game against MacalEster and then less than 24 hours later went in to play Hamline and their uptempo style in a HOT gym (80 degrees?? talk about a home court advantage!)

Ah, the old "we had to travel on a plane" excuse. Always a classic. Often used by the CCIW whiners when they lose.

Hot gym?! Hahahahahaha! I guess you've never been to a game in the Temple of Doom at Claremont. I think one of stag44's team duties was to personally crank up the thermostat.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etule on December 14, 2011, 04:46:50 PM
I m pretty sure the 2008 Oxy team was in the top 25 for a couple weeks . Lost to a very good Whitworth team without their big guy who was injured. 2007 team also lost in the tourney without the big man in 2007 also out with injury who was also POY and all region.
NWC because of Whitworth is getting respect! Whitworth lost to a team that had lost four games and did not drop very much. Oxy or Clairmont whould have been out of the top 25! IMO :)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on December 14, 2011, 05:00:05 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on November 24, 2011, 09:04:59 AM
QuoteI suggest you check out the Cal Tech web site.

P.S. It's Caltech, not Cal Tech.

Quote from: etule on December 14, 2011, 04:46:50 PM
Oxy or Clairmont whould have been out of the top 25!

It's Claremont, not Clairmont.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etule on December 14, 2011, 05:50:23 PM
And its Occidental not Oxy! lol
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on December 14, 2011, 10:17:42 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on December 14, 2011, 02:55:18 PM

There was a previous post about Claremont's rebound margin. The Stags are currently ranked 5th in D-III at 12.1; McMurry is No. 1 at 18.0. They're also No. 16 in scoring defense at 56.8 ppg; Rose-Hulman is No. 1 at 50.4 ppg.

Hot gym?! Hahahahahaha! I guess you've never been to a game in the Temple of Doom at Claremont. I think one of stag44's team duties was to personally crank up the thermostat.

Great to see the Stags up there in rebound margin and that NCAA has stats up now.

HAHAHAH, well played OxyBob - I can personally attest that the gym was MUCH hotter during practice than during games. But without question Ducey is the hottest gym I've every played in. Actually, in 04-05 the gym was so hot and muggy during the CMS-PP game that during FTs and timeouts the floor had to be wiped down because there was coat of moisture on the court.

The closest it got to that during my time there was 05-06 when Oxy came to visit during the Claremont Parent's weekend and we cut down the nets after defeating Oxy for the SCIAC championship.

But without question the Temple of Doom may have an malfunctioning thermostat  ;)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on December 15, 2011, 12:27:59 PM
Quote from: stag44 on December 14, 2011, 10:17:42 PM
The closest it got to that during my time there was 05-06 when Oxy came to visit during the Claremont Parent's weekend and we cut down the nets after defeating Oxy for the SCIAC championship.

That was a disappointing loss for Oxy fans. Claremont won the conference, and went on to the first round of the NCAA playoffs. But I forget, so remind me, what happened in that first round playoff game?

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on December 15, 2011, 12:41:52 PM
As far as the temperature of gyms goes, I wasn't meaning to start the "whose gym is hottest debate?".....but since we're at it.

I have watched multiple games in Ducey...yes, it's hot in there....this gym at Hamline is notorious for being hot as well....I personally would say it was hotter than Ducey, but who am I to say that?

Point being the gym was hot.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on December 15, 2011, 04:53:26 PM
Quote from: WoostAr on December 15, 2011, 12:41:52 PM
Point being the gym was hot.

"The gym was hot" excuse is just as lame as the "we had to fly on a plane" excuse.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on December 15, 2011, 05:00:20 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on December 15, 2011, 12:27:59 PM

That was a disappointing loss for Oxy fans. Claremont won the conference, and went on to the first round of the NCAA playoffs. But I forget, so remind me, what happened in that first round playoff game?

OxyBob

Ouch OxyBob - you really know how to put salt on the wound. No excuses here, Oxy beat us in a very sloppy game where both teams were extremely nervous. We didn't get the ball down to Miles Taylor enough and if I remember correctly a Dylan Marvin hit a backbreaking 3 that did us in. Final score 48-41.

Oxy got the home game even though we won SCIAC by 3 games due to their far superior non-conference record, with a win over Amherst, and rumors have it that they could also draw more revenue in the larger Rush Gym compared to our cozy Ducey.

Another highlight to that season in the SCIAC was the performace Amir Mazeri dropping 57pts @ Oxy late in the season. The entire Stag team was in utter shock when we saw that box score and upset.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on December 15, 2011, 06:05:17 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on December 15, 2011, 04:53:26 PM
Quote from: WoostAr on December 15, 2011, 12:41:52 PM
Point being the gym was hot.

"The gym was hot" excuse is just as lame as the "we had to fly on a plane" excuse.

OxyBob
Isn't the temperature the same for both teams?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on December 15, 2011, 06:21:38 PM
Redlands is playing San Diego State? I'm sure that one will come down to the last shot.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on December 15, 2011, 07:03:47 PM
Quote from: RFB on December 15, 2011, 06:21:38 PM
Redlands is playing San Diego State? I'm sure that one will come down to the last shot.

Trivia question: Last season, which SCIAC team scored more points in a game against San Diego State than it did against Caltech?

I won't mention any names.

Bob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: magicman on December 15, 2011, 07:48:47 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on December 15, 2011, 07:03:47 PM
Quote from: RFB on December 15, 2011, 06:21:38 PM
Redlands is playing San Diego State? I'm sure that one will come down to the last shot.

Trivia question: Last season, which SCIAC team scored more points in a game against San Diego State than it did against Caltech?

I won't mention any names.

Bob

Let me guess. Does the team's name start with an O? :D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on December 16, 2011, 12:56:15 PM
Gray Fox...yes, temp is same for both teams....but one team runs 12 deep and presses the whole game and their whole game was predicated on wearing out the other team, while the other (Caltech) usually plays 7 and had played their started 30+ minutes less than 24 hours earlier.

I admit, it doesn't explain getting walloped by 40, but it also wasn't the crux of my post. 

I believe I credited Hamline and said they walloped Caltech.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on December 21, 2011, 04:33:27 PM
I heard last night that they are doing some kind of movie about the Caltech victory over Oxy last year.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on December 29, 2011, 11:48:13 AM
Ok with the holidays over and most if not all teams back on campus practicing, I was going to write a prediction for the SCIAC, but honestly outside of CMS I really have no clue how it will play out. I think that we can all agree that upto this point the Stags are the class of the SCIAC and their only obstacle will be themselves and staying healthy.

Other teams have show moments of great play:
     Redlands winning their Tournament and then knocking off a highly ranked Puget Sound
     Pomona taking St Thomas to double overtime, competing with Pepperdine and Biola.
     Whitter has been scoring in VOLUME with 2 100+ point games
     Caltech being at .500 going into the break


Instead of giving a full ranking, I'll give you a few BOLD predictions I have for league:

CMS will go 14-0 in SCIAC and host an NCAA game!
CalTech will win at least 2 SCIAC games
The PP @ CMS game this year will be an instant classic
Chris Blees will be go down in the record books as a 3-Time SCIAC POY
ULV will dissapoint and finish 8-6 even returning the bulk of their lineup.
Redlands is for real even though they lost the bulk of their championship team and will finish in the top 4.
Oxy will be the team no one figures out - they will lose some headscratchers and play CMS the most competitively
Whitter is sneaky good and will avg 75+/game in conference

SCIAC Tournament
Redlands @ CMS
Whittier @ PP

PP @ CMS

CMS Wins the SCIAC regular and tournament crown.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gromek on December 29, 2011, 04:46:46 PM
Stag  44    thank you for your insightful analyst,  always an interesting read.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldchap on December 30, 2011, 02:30:28 PM
Eyewitness from Pasadena, Caltech vs. Chapman University:

The Panthers dodged a bullet early on in the game and a potential major embarrassment. They finally went on to win the game by a comfortable margin.

All was not that easy however, as Caltech played equal if not better for the majority of the first half. In fact, Caltech had a 7 point lead with a little over 5 minutes left in the first half. Between turnovers and missed shots, the Panthers looked a lot like the underdog. Caltech, energized by their early success, were playing with a lot of grit and passion and for a while, gave Chapman a lesson in determination.

After a timely time-out by Coach Bokosky though, the Panthers regained their focus and went on a 15-2 run to finish the half with a 6 point lead. Although the Panthers had only managed to score 4 points in the first 7 minutes, they got the last 10 points of the half in less than 3 minutes, forcing 3 turnovers in the process.

The second half saw more of the same from the Panthers, as they quickly ran the lead to 16 points. The Beavers were fouling quite a bit early on, which forced them to rotate their starters. As you know, while the Caltech starting line-up is pretty good and can compete with any team in the SCIAC, the bench just doesn't have quite what it takes to keep up (and I mean no disrespect to this team because I fully admire Caltech's academics standards). In addition, the starters just paid for their early efforts, you could tell at that point that they didn't have much left in their tank.

The Beavers however, managed to keep the score difference under 20 points for the rest of the game but they were largely helped by the most dismal free throw shooting performance by the Panthers in recent memory. In fact, CU was awarded no less than 43 free throws for the entire contest and yet managed to make barely more than half of those!

The Beavers are a much improved team from two years ago and as an earlier poster noted, they have a chance to win a couple of Conference games this year. They defended the perimeter really well (the Panthers only made 1 basket from downtown out of 13 attempts), but they got punished down low (36 points) and had too many turnovers (resulting in 30 points for CU). Their offense is good, with a well-oiled organization and although they didn't shoot well from outside, you can tell that they could light it up at any moment to surprise some teams.

The Panthers were led by Ricard, and although he missed 8 free throws, still ended up with 19 points and 11 rebounds , his second double-double of the season. Justin Young had a career high 12 points on 5 of 6 shooting in only 18 minutes of play and an awesome offensive rebound and dunk coming out of nowhere! Special mention to Spitler and Watson, who typically don't  get a lot of minutes but showed that they belong in this group. The latter was perfect from the free throw line and managed 1 block and two rebounds in the 3 minutes he was on the floor. As an incoming freshman, he has a bright future at Chapman ahead of him.

Chapman can't play at this level tomorrow if they hope to do well against a very decent Hamline team. Let's hope they got their Holiday cobwebs out of the way yesterday and will go into the contest with greater focus and intent.


Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: goldsoundz on December 30, 2011, 06:36:21 PM
Caltech also played that game without their best player, Todd Cramer, who decided to transfer out.  Huge blow to the team, as he was their best rebounder and playmaker.  Once Chapman turned the pressure on down 22-15, Caltech turned it over multiple times and Chapman went on a 15-2 run to end the half.

Without Cramer, this is a completely different Caltech team.  They're gonna need major contributions from the two freshmen Joel and Hogue to win in conference.  They'll be playing undersized almost every night so they need to push the pace and make jump shots. They can still win some games but they won't be favored in any matchups.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on December 30, 2011, 10:23:05 PM
Where did Cramer go?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 31, 2011, 12:54:38 PM
Back to his Manhattan apartment, across the hall from Jerry Seinfeld.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on December 31, 2011, 01:20:40 PM
Gray Fox: Cramer no longer on roster as a result of transfer to MIT...big loss for Caltech.

The game against chapman saw Caltech  play some great defense in spurts...Edwards seemed motivated to be a great defender...dikdn't get out of his defensive stance all night.  The Beavers also ran their offense well in spurts...cuts were hard, picks were good, open shots were had....they just didn't go in.  The turning point in this game was a tip slam, which was the start of the 15-2 run Old Chap referenced.  Caltech tried to push the pace after that which led to a few turnovers and a lot of easy buckets for chapman.  Caltech made a valiant effort, but never really got back within striking distance.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on December 31, 2011, 01:27:40 PM
Eyewitness report Babson @ CMS

Babson got TROUNCED.  They did not play particularly well: they shoot 80% from the FT line, shot 1/7 in the first half...hit 25% from three from the game.......that said, even if they hit all of those shots this game wouldn't have been close.

Claremont simply doesn't make mistakes.  They don't turn the ball over, they take shots they know they can hit and they hit them, and they play great defense.  Last game I saw Blees play he was shaking off some rust, he clearly is back at the top of his game.  They shot 60% from the field in the first half, made it look easy and then played their bench most of the second half.

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on December 31, 2011, 02:30:11 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 31, 2011, 12:54:38 PM
Back to his Manhattan apartment, across the hall from Jerry Seinfeld.
I had no idea he was Caltech material. :P
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on January 02, 2012, 01:57:51 PM
Caltech played Babson at Caltech the other night.  Here's a pretty good re-cap http://gocaltech.com/sports/mbkb/2011-12/releases/20111231oz5jwp

Caltech played pretty solid D all game but didn't get their offense going until the second half. 

Andrew Hogue has been picking up a good bit of the slack in the offense.  His shot is on more and he is being more aggressive going to the hoop.  Caltech can use more of that from him.

Congratulations to Mike Edwards on reaching the 1000 point plateau....additionally, Edwards (again) brought a new found passion to the defensive end...he certainly has the length and athleticism to bother just about any shot.

Up next in 2012! Mt. St Mary's
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on January 03, 2012, 04:10:32 PM
CMS goes to 11-0 in non-conference play - not sure if/when the last time was that a SCIAC team was undefeated going into SCIAC play -

Very interesting trend I've noticed with the Stags this year - they seem to blitz teams out of the get go. They are +13pts/game in the first half and if you exclude their first game vs Pacifica they are +15/game. Once they get a lead, also, Scali's motion offense makes it very difficult and time intensive for teams to come back. They are able to grind down the shotclock to 10 and then still get a quality shot with Blees breaking down his defender and reading the open lane or man.

It's been remarkable the way they jump on teams early - and just as impressive has been their defensive prowess. I was skeptical of the team coming in and their will/ability to defend. In Maciera's first run he had some holes on the defensive end and given the lack of size in the middle there was concern they would have issues on the boards and keeping teams away from the paint. They have proved me wrong, holding teams to 56ppg and having a +12.7 rebounding advantage.

They look very polished and I'm really looking forward to seeing them live vs CalTech on Saturday. I've heard that CalTech has been at each of the last 4 CMS games scouting both the Stags and their winter-classic opponents. It's never easy to play in Braun and  I'm sure given the non-conference success of the Beavers they will be fired and continue their SCIAC winning streak
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldchap on January 03, 2012, 06:53:46 PM
CMS is no less than third in the Massey Ratings (http://www.masseyratings.com/rate.php?lg=cb&sub=11620) right now and even if this appears to be a tad overstated, they fully deserve to be ranked. Winning doesn't lie. Winning by a comfortable margin in most cases is even more impressive. In my opinion they aren't going to lose many Conference games this year (assuming they stay healthy) and the only team capable of challenging them seriously is PP for two reasons: they are archrivals and the Hens have many players who can light it up from downtown on a good night.

Now the question is: Can the Stags beat Whitworth and finally give the SCIAC a chance to shine in the playoffs?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on January 04, 2012, 01:36:19 PM
Well, let's not get carried away....They haven't even won the SCIAC yet and certainly aren't guaranteed a berth in the playoffs...a lot can happen over the next two months.  CMS certainly is the early favorite....for that matter, anything can happen to Whitworth.

Stag44...maybe I'll see you at the game...it will definitely be a tall order for Caltech to keep this one close.  CMS has looked like a machine every time I've seen them...jump out early, finish strong.  Caltech has been playing some lower scoring affairs of late...their D has looked good...but their offense seems to come out of the gate sluggish and they dig early holes and then claw their way back.  They'll be in a heap of trouble if they let CMS run out to an early lead.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on January 05, 2012, 01:15:26 PM
So now with all the non-conference games out of the way lets take a look at the first SCIAC matchups for this Saturday!

CMS @ CalTech
In the past this would be a nice warmup game for the Stags and get them an easy win to start conference. This is no longer the case as CalTech is 5-6 and has been competitive in most games. The Stags still should prevail in this game, but they will have to play well and know that CalTech will be prepared. I expect the Beavers to play alot of sagging man to man defense and force the Stags to win with the 3-pointer. Blees should expect a heavy dose of double and triple teams and I wouldn't be surprised if they face-guard him to start the game, trying to limit his touches in the half court. Edwards vs Blees should be a fun and interesting matchup, though I don't know if they will even guard each other.

On the other side, expect Caltech to try and grind out the clock and force the Stags to play 25-30 seconds a defense every possession. They only have a chance in this game if it stays in the 50s or 60s. I would also anticipate the Beavers crashing maybe 1 or 2 guys on the offensive glass while sending 3 or 4 back to protect the rim in transition. They have to prevent the Stags from getting out on the break and scoring easy baskets.

From the Stags perspective, this could easily be a trap game. They are riding high and off to a school record 11-0 start - it would be awful easy to overlook Caltech. But, knowing Scali, I know they will be prepared and ready for them. I think they will really be aggressive on Edwards and make him uncomfortable (catching at 28ft instead of 22, bumping him off screens, and taking away his dominant hand) and will probably show/double him if the right opportunity presents itself.

The Stags should control this game, but I think it will be closer than most people expect-

CMS wins 66-51

Oxy @ La Verne
This is a very interesting game. If you had asked me at the end of last year who would be in contention for the SCIAC crown this year, Oxy and ULV would have been at the top of the list. They returned alot of talent and were competitive throughout the year. Both have disappointed so far this year.

ULV has yet to win a game vs a D3 opponent with wins coming against very weak opponents. They look to be playing better of late as they lots by 2 to Chapman and were competitive in Las Vegas. Both Woodland and Napolitano are All-SCIAC caliber players and the core members of the teams have been playing heavy minutes the last 2 years. Woodland is an absolute dead-eye shooter and needs to be guarded from 25ft and in. Napolitano is a load on the block, especially when you allow him to get back to his right hand hook.

Oxy has the pieces as well, especially with Montoya back in their last game. I'm not sure where he was before (possibly study abroad or injury) but he should really help them out. Along with McCoy and Hanley who have both been major contributors, the team seemingly has all the  parts to be a very very good team and win some games in SCIAC. Also, you can never count out Coach Newhall who finds ways for his teams to be competitive.

I look for this game to be very physical and competitive and I think La Verne gets the win at the SuperTent.

La Verne over Oxy 64-59


Whittier @ Redlands
This has all the makings to be a shootout. Both teams have been impressive in the non-conference.

Redlands, even with losing SCIAC POY Mills and a large chunk of their production have reloaded and been very competitive. It looks like they score by committee and can win defensive battles. Ducey is a great coach and has always had great schemes going back to his time as the women's coach. Though Redlands will probably still be on winter break, Currier should be loud as usual for this Saturday tip. If there was a sleeper to knock off CMS I would pick Redlands. The were one of the only teams to beat CMS last year and should be solid again this year.

Whittier is LIGHTING up the basket. I usually have to double take when I see their box scores. They have scored over 100pts in 4+ games and are seemingly putting the ball in the hoop at will. The most impressive part has been how balanced the scoring has been. While Menez leads the team in scoring, Preer, Easterman, and others have all had 20+ pt games. I have yet to see them play, but would be curious if their scoring is due to a pressing system, similar to UPS or Whitman under Bridgeland or if it is more like Redlands style offense. In any case, I'm very curious to see how they react to a team who has scouted them and plays solid defense.

In a barn-burner, I have Redlands winning at home.

Redland over Whittier 87-82.

P-P @ CLU
This should be a good old-school SCIAC battle. Alot of the past PP CLU games have been incredibly hard fought and often times down to the wire. I think alot of that comes from Kats and Rider being around so long they really know how to game plan for each other.

With Pomona, after at down year, they look to be back and very good. As usual, the team is filled with very accurate 3-pt shooters, long-lanky "dirk" like forwards, and a defense that bends but does not break. They are shooting 3s at a very respectable 39% clip and over 30% of their fga are 3s. Very standard for Kats teams.

CLU is led by 4 year starter Aron Van Klaveren who is averaging 15 and 10. The guy is a beast and looks to be playing very well this year. I'm not sure how much he has around him, but they will keep teams close and are always difficult to beat at home. The trip from PP takes about 90 minutes without traffic, and I remember when CLU had to come to CMS and we had to hold the game for 15 minutes as they were stuck. Fickle LA traffic.

I have PP winning a defensive slugfest

PP over CLU 58-54

Those are my total guesses on the weekend. Let's hear some other views on games this weekend!!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etule on January 05, 2012, 02:09:36 PM
Great breakdown of the games and I agree on most but Whitter vs Redlands to going to be a great game! Whitter has been putting up big numbers if they can play decent D they could easily win ! I think that is the best game of the weekend.
Fun! CMS will handle Cal Tech not surprising anyone anymore!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on January 05, 2012, 08:10:13 PM
Caltech might not surprise anyone, but they're a solid team and can win any game they play....that said, I agree with STAG 44 that they really need to keep the game in the half court...Keeping CMS from getting easy buckets in transition is a must.  CMS hasn't been in a tight game in over a month...if Caltech can hold tight early, they have a fighting chance.  Of course, CMS is #19 in the nation for a reason and they should be favored in this game.

La Verne seems to really be missing Wolpe...anyone know what's happened to him??...I heard something about a knee inury? Oxy has looked off balance when I've watched them play this year...they don't seem to be on the same page.  they have talent, size and speed....they just haven't gotten them coordinated together (when I've watched).  Of course, that's what pre-season's for. I think these two teams should be pretty evenly matched (based on their pre-season scores against common opponents)...probably a squeaker....give the nod to the home court advantage. 

Haven't seen the other four teams yet this season...
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Howlinwolf on January 06, 2012, 12:22:34 AM
Per the question re; Oxy's Montoya: he's back in action after sustaining an injury in the pre-season. Oxy has a short bench and some shooting limitatons. His return should alleivate, if not solve, both problems.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cmsme on January 06, 2012, 12:23:51 AM
For new parents that are just coming into this college basketball:
there are some website that use computer data to rank all the teams and make predictions on who will win future games. Massey ratings is one of these websites.  (LInk is below.)

Based on Massey prediction for each game, CMS has a 22% chance of going undefeated during league games.

http://masseyratings.com/rate.php?lg=cb&yr=2012&sub=NCAA III&mid=1
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etule on January 06, 2012, 12:08:27 PM
Cal Tech is solid just like they were last year and they won a game in league against a short handed OXY team. CMS is at full strenth and I would not be surprised if they blow out Cal Tech! Looks like there is a lot of fire power in the league this year. Redlands and Whitter can put points up. Have an off night against either of those teams and they will beat anyone in the league! I don't think CMS will go unbeaten in league but there is probably a 22% chance. Did not know about the Massey web site. Pretty cool!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldchap on January 06, 2012, 03:32:57 PM
Eyewitness from La Verne, University of La Verne vs. Chapman University:

Chapman knew that playing "under the tent" was going to be much harder than the last two contests and this impression proved to be true. Although the Panthers led for the vast majority of the game, they could never muster a run that would put them up in double digits. Every time CU would score, the Leopards would answer in kind. La Verne, you could tell, was focused, motivated and intent on not losing yet another game against the Panthers this season.

On the defensive end, the Leopards were tight, contested every shot, double teamed when it was appropriate and generally did an excellent job at shutting down the players who generally put up big numbers. Offensively, they moved the ball quickly to find the open man, showed a lot more accuracy especially outside the paint and at least early on demonstrated that they could shoot the three. In fact, they went 4 for 6 from downtown in the first half, which helped them keep the game very tight going into the second half. Score after 20 minutes: Panthers up 29-28.

We saw more of the same in the second half, although as time went by both teams started to make mental mistakes due to fatigue. Chapman managed to bring the lead up to 7 points on several occasions, but the Leos kept clawing back into the game consistently.

The end of the game was quite exciting. Chapman was in the lead 51-45 with a little over 7 minutes to go, on a clutch and contested 3 point shot by Lin. That would be the last field basket they would score for the rest of the game. ULV chipped away at this lead and took the lead by one point for the first time since the very beginning of the first half with a little less than 3 minutes left on the clock.

The last 2 and a half minutes were quite interesting. Two free throws brought Chapman back in the lead. Then both teams turned the ball over, back and forth until the Leos had to foul with 5 seconds left. Garret made both free throws giving Chapman a comfortable 3 point lead. La Verne then attempted to lobe the pass up to the front court on the next inbound and the ball went out of bound on the other side. Then it was the Panthers' turn to miss their inbound, but this time Napolitano came out with the ball, pulled up to shoot the three and was fouled in the process with less than a second left on the clock. He made the first free throw, missed the second and purposely missed the third to try and catch his own rebound. A scuffle for the rebound ensued but the clock expired as both team tried to get possession of the basketball. A basket would have sent the game into overtime.

In short, I believe that La Verne is much better than what their pre-conference record shows and are capable to beat any of the SCIAC teams on a good night, especially at home where the crowd is loud and they know their way around the court.

As for Chapman, they have two more division III games against UC Santa Cruz to complete their record. Their schedules having been decided long before they were accepted in the SCIAC, they also have to play a number of non D3 teams to finish the season. Due to the special status they are in right now (part of a conference but not eligible for an AQ), their only shot at a spot for the playoffs is through a Pool C bid. Although many people think (me included) that it's highly unlikely, there is still an outside chance that it could happen, assuming that they win their last two D3 regional games. Let's keep our fingers crossed. A rematch against CMS would certainly be fun in the first round, just like two years ago!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 08, 2012, 11:49:05 AM
Quote from: stag44 on January 05, 2012, 01:15:26 PM
So now with all the non-conference games out of the way lets take a look at the first SCIAC matchups for this Saturday!

Ah, finally some SCIAC b-ball and games that count.

Redlands 103, Whittier 91: UR led Whittier by 9 at the half and had a double-digit lead the entire second half. For UR, Tristan Kirk scored 21, and Jack Colston had 21 and 12 rebs. For Whittier, all 5 starters scored double figures.

Claremont 77, Caltech 42: No contest.

Pomona 61, Cal Lutheran 56: Pomona led 30-16 at the start of the second half. CLU tied it up at 48 with 5 minutes left, but the Sagehens went 7-0 over the next 2 minutes and the Kingsmen couldn't get over after that. For Pomona, Michael Cohen scored 14, and John Weiss had 10 points and 11 rebs. For CLU, Martin Flowers scored 26.

Quote from: Howlinwolf on January 06, 2012, 12:22:34 AM
Per the question re; Oxy's Montoya: he's back in action after sustaining an injury in the pre-season. Oxy has a short bench and some shooting limitatons. His return should alleivate, if not solve, both problems.

Kris Montoya led Oxy with 18 points and 3 assists in the Tigers' 69-67 OT win at La Verne. ULV's Trevor Woodland hit a 3-ball to tie the game at 67 with 12 seconds left, but Jake Copithorne got the winner with a reverse layup with 2 seconds to go. For Oxy, Jack Hanley scored 16, Deshun McCoy had 14, and Conrad Liebowitz scored 10. For ULV, Woodland scored 22 and Austin Napolitano had 20.

Wednesday's SCIAC schedule:

La Verne @ Claremont
Pomona @ Redlands
CLU @ Whittier
Caltech @ Oxy

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on January 08, 2012, 01:36:44 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 08, 2012, 11:49:05 AM
Wednesday's SCIAC schedule:

La Verne @ Claremont
Pomona @ Redlands
CLU @ Whittier
Caltech @ Oxy

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: (509)Rat on January 08, 2012, 03:33:19 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 08, 2012, 11:49:05 AM
Claremont 77, Caltech 42: No contest.

Kinda what I figured.

QuoteCal Tech is solid
QuoteCaltech might not surprise anyone, but they're a solid team and can win any game they play
QuoteFrom the Stags perspective, this could easily be a trap game
QuoteIn the past this would be a nice warmup game for the Stags and get them an easy win to start conference. This is no longer the case as CalTech is 5-6 and has been competitive in most games.
Why does everyone but OxyBob keep insisting on pretending that Caltech is a good team??? They needed a perfect storm to beat a bad Oxy team last year in their ONE conference win. The team's they have beaten this year have combined for somewhere around 15 wins...the only reason I can't put an exact number on it is because they've played teams who barely have athletic websites let alone an updated men's basketball results page...Caltech is bad. They might always be bad. But they can hold their heads high knowing that they will most likely change the world, whereas Redlands grads struggle with changing their own underwear.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: breakfromcoaching on January 08, 2012, 05:25:12 PM
Quote from: (509)Rat on January 08, 2012, 03:33:19 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 08, 2012, 11:49:05 AM
Claremont 77, Caltech 42: No contest.

Kinda what I figured.

Why does everyone but OxyBob keep insisting on pretending that Caltech is a good team??? They needed a perfect storm to beat a bad Oxy team last year in their ONE conference win. The team's they have beaten this year have combined for somewhere around 15 wins...the only reason I can't put an exact number on it is because they've played teams who barely have athletic websites let alone an updated men's basketball results page...Caltech is bad. They might always be bad. But they can hold their heads high knowing that they will most likely change the world, whereas Redlands grads struggle with changing their own underwear.
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I don't know what your definition of "bad" is, but Caltech isn't even close.  Lets look at a couple of their games. 

They beat Pacifica 11/22 (without Todd Cramer BTW).  Pacifica then turns around and beats Occidental the next night.  Caltech also won handly @ West Coast Baptist 12/1 (after West Coast Baptist beat Oxy 11/29 @ Oxy).  Both Caltech and Oxy beat University of Dallas and lost to Stevens and Chapman.  Caltech also beat Babson, a very respectable team out of the NEWMAC who is 8-6 on the year.

I didn't meant to make this into a comparison of Caltech and Oxy's schedules, my point is, if you're saying Caltech is "bad", Oxy must be too.  My opinion is both are probably middle of the pack teams taking all 400+ DIII teams into account.

Oxy will be an extremely tough matchup for Caltech this Wednesday with Montoya back, revenge aside.

(modified by GS for formatting)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: (509)Rat on January 08, 2012, 06:17:28 PM
Quote from: breakfromcoaching on January 08, 2012, 05:25:12 PM
...my point is, if you're saying Caltech is "bad", Oxy must be too...

Ding, Ding, Ding!

I won't even go into how terrible your schedule comparison logic is...

But we disagree, no big deal. You think Caltech and Oxy would finish near the middle of the pack in most conferences around the country (they would have to in order to be ranked right around 200). And I think since they can't win more than a game in their own conference that they'd have a snowball's chance of finishing in the top half of any conference in the country. When in Rome.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: breakfromcoaching on January 08, 2012, 07:23:39 PM
If you read my post again, I said middle of the pack of 400 or so + DIII teams.  I didn't mention in any conference.  I won't get into where they'd finish if they were in other conferences because some they'd fare better in (Skyline, North Atlantic) and some they'd clearly be outmatched (UAA, NEWMAC, WIAC).

Again, the topic of my post was that Caltech wasn't bad.  Check the Massey ratings (which I just checked after my original post) and Caltech is 206.  There are 412 teams total.

If Caltech (and Oxy as you say) are bad, and they're in the middle, the other 206 teams must be terrible, right?

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: (509)Rat on January 08, 2012, 08:18:42 PM
"Terrible" meaning a good high school team would beat you? Yes, terrible.

The bottom of DIII hoops is some really bad basketball. Just like the bottom of DIII football, when I played, was some really bad football. And I mean high school level.

When Caltech's record drop to 6-19, where will Massay have them ranked? 206?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on January 09, 2012, 07:32:13 AM
Eyewitness report from Caltech:

CMS 77 CIT 42

The Stags won on Saturday night in relatively convincing fashion. While there were no backbreaking runs, CMS methodically grew their lead through the entire game.

Blees might have had his worst game of the year, going for 8 and 4 missing lots of bunnies and going 2-6 from the FT line. Overall, though, the Stags had 8 players score 5+ pts and 5 players with 8+pts. They were +13 in the rebounding category (40-27) and force 22 turnovers.

While Caltech was beaten soundly, they are tough, physical and play very hard. I am still a believer that they will win 3-4 SCIAC games this year. Obviously losing Cramer hurts, but they have the skill on the team to win a few games this year.

Since I saw them last live in Austin, the Stags have further improved on the defensive end and have become more refined in their motion offense. I really want to see them play this SCIAC slate and see how different teams defend and attack them.

The other think I noticed was how close and jovial the team is. They all seem to get along extremely well with each other, both on and off the court, which I can truly attest to being making a big difference in tight game situations.

I went 3 for 4 on my predictions on Saturday, with the only hiccup being Oxy defeating ULV in OT. Seems like Redlands is for real, putting up 100+ on Whittier and that the SCIAC as a whole will be very competitive on a nightly basis.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etule on January 09, 2012, 01:47:23 PM
Cal Tech is much improved and I think that is what people are trying to say! No way can they beat CMS. Oxy should handle them soundly! Oxy has some serious talent. They lack a good big guy.
Redlands has fire power! they can shoot the ball and play hard.
SCIAC is down this year! Except for CMS NWC much stronger top to bottom. That being said Redlands beat a good UPS team a couple weeks ago!
Fun year in D3 BB!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on January 09, 2012, 04:26:31 PM
Caltech missed a lot of shots they usually make this game...hard to win a game hitting only 13 field goals. 

I thought Caltech played defense well in the half court, but they gave up a lot of offensive rebounds and they turned the ball over a lot which led to run outs.  Caltech actually picked up a lot of offensive rebounds as well (10) where CMS had 14....on defense, clearly CMS has more chances at rebounds because Caltech missed just about everything. 

A lot of Caltech's missed shots were compelled by CMS's defense which (as Stag44 pointed out) is top notch.  I have seen them take teams completely out of their games 4times this season....each time the team is completely frustrated.  I've seen 2 play their next game and they look much sharper and they run their offenses better......if Caltech can run their offense, which has worked all season (yes they're missing Cramer and that's a bit of a variable) they should be right in it with Oxy. 

If we bring in common opponents, Oxy has a loss to Pacifica where Caltech beat them, without Cramer....granted Oxy then later beat Pacifica.  Guess that's why they play the games!

January 14th and 18th should be a very telling games...Redlands at CMS and CMS at PP....should give us a better idea of how the conference will shake out.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on January 10, 2012, 12:10:02 PM
Preview of Wednesday's games:

La Verne @ CMS
The last time these 2 teams met was the semi-finals of the SCIAC Tournament last year. CMS controlled the game and held off a late rally to win the game.

This matchup should be drastically different from the CMS perspective as they have Blees and Maciera back while Lacey has graduated.

La Verne returns most of their contributors from last year, though the loss of Wolpe (injury?) really hurts them inside and defensively. They are led by Woodland and Napolitano who are both big-time scorers. Lay and Veith are guards with range and pesky defensively. While they still are winless vs D3 competition, they have been very competitive in many of their games. I'm not sure what is holding them back in getting in the win column, but in the past ULV teams have been disjointed or had inner bickering which I think can cause teams to wilt down the stretch of close games. They got beat on an end of game layup vs Oxy to open conference after clutch 3s by Woodland at the end of regulation at OT. They will be hungry and up for the challenge vs the #17 team in the nation.

CMS comes off a comfortable yet sloppy win at Caltech. There are parts of me that worry bad habits will carry over from the Caltech game and preparation into this ULV game. When preparing to play Caltech you practice pressure all over the court and tend to gamble and expect to be getting fastbreak and transition points. In the halfcourt, CMS looked very ordinary and beatable. I expect them to be much sharper in their screening and motion. ULV is traditionally a weak halfcourt defensive team that is susceptible to a well run offense.

This game will be physical and hotly contested. I think the Stags will wear down the Leos and win running away.

CMS over ULV 74-56

Pomona @ Redlands
This is going to be the marquee matchup of the night. Both teams got impressive wins on Saturday, especiall PP going into CLU and winning.

These 2 teams will provide a serious challenge for CMS and the SCIAC crown. They both score and rebound by committee with various players leading the team on a nightly basis. They both run their systems really well and have players who fit.

I have a feeling this will be a low scoring battle and the team who has the fewest turnovers will win. Playing @ Redlands is never easy and in their first matchup Redlands won in the title game of the Lee Fulmer tournament.

Both teams have improved since then and will be better prepared. Redlands wins a close one

Redlands over PP 62-57


Caltech @ Oxy
Oh this is just great - I wonder if ESPN cameras will be around for the first meeting between the two teams since last years Caltech victory.

In all honesty though, I think Oxy comes focused, prepared and looking for revenge and blows Caltech out of the water. Montoya coming back really helps complete their team. They have 3 All SCIAC caliber players in Montoya, McCoy and Hanley which will make they a tough out for any team.

Caltech will try to be prepared, but I just think they will be overwhelmed by the Oxy pressure.

Oxy wins in a laugher 82-46


Cal Lu @ Whittier
This game pits teams with opposite playing styles. Whittier is run and gun, pressing and high octane offense while CLU is traditionally a methodical, post-dominated, and patient team.

CLU had a tremendous 2nd half vs PP from Martin Flower. This performance reminds me alot of what Kyle Knudsen did to alot of teams after Andy Meier went down in 08-09. To score 25 pts in a half vs PP is simply tremendous. Let's see if the frosh can build on that performance. They will also need a big game from Van Klaveran around the rim. He will be counted on to finish and protect the rim as things get hectic on the court.

Whittier continues to just put and give put tons of points. I still haven't had a chance to watch them play but think I will tune in for this one. Based on box scores, its seems to be scoring from all as well.

This is the biggest guess from them all, but I have Whittier winning and wearing down the CLU bigs

Whittier over CLU 94-80
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on January 10, 2012, 01:30:25 PM
Monday night result: West Coast Baptist College over Chapman 66-64.
I haven't seen any stats and game was not steamed.
Surprise to me, to say the least.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on January 10, 2012, 02:18:08 PM
Quote from: dahlby on January 10, 2012, 01:30:25 PM
Monday night result: West Coast Baptist College over Chapman 66-64.
I haven't seen any stats and game was not steamed.
Surprise to me, to say the least.

WOW! Thats something fully unexpected. That's a long bus ride back from Lancaster. Probably hurts not having Jordan Young not playing as well.

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldchap on January 10, 2012, 03:35:45 PM
Chapman had to play against West Coast Baptist College without Brandon Lin who got a concussion in the game against La Verne and Jordan Young who sprained his ankle badly during practice on Saturday. These are two starters and the second and third highest scorers in the team. This is no excuse though because Chapman has plenty of other options on the bench and WCBC isn't quite at the level of even an average D3 team.

I wasn't at the game but from what I heard, West Coast Baptist had the perfect game, shooting near 50% from downtown and making virtually all their free throws. Chapman was up by 11 points in the first half, but lost ground in the second half as the other team started making their 3's against an ill-fated zone defense. On the offensive end, the Panthers also had to contend with a 2-3 zone, although the bigs did relatively well despite it being crowded under the basket. The Panthers were really missing Lin and Jordan Young, as these guys would have easily hit some open 3's and forced West Coast Baptist to open up the paint.

Brandon Lin should return to the lineup for the next game on Saturday at Pacifica. The bad news is Jordan Young who is out for at least two weeks. We wish him a good recovery.

Hopefully, this isn't going to hurt Chapman chances at an elusive bid for the playoffs, as WCBC isn't a D3 team. But it sure doesn't look good on their record!!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CMSfan on January 12, 2012, 01:48:28 AM
Eyewitness report from Claremont

CMS 73, ULV 63 (OT)

Box: http://www.cmsathletics.org/sports/mbkb/2011-12/files/ULV-CMS.HTM (http://www.cmsathletics.org/sports/mbkb/2011-12/files/ULV-CMS.HTM)

A shocker tonight!  I mean, CMS still won, but La Verne didn't go down easily thanks to a huge game (29 pts) from Trevor Woodland.

The Stags jumped out to an early double digit lead thanks to stifling defense and a fast start from Blees.  But after Woodland missed his first five or six shots, he was on fire the rest of the night.  He made tough shot after tough shot, including a 3 to tie the game with 36 seconds in regulation.  Blees had a decent last shot near the rim that didn't fall, sending the game to overtime.

CMS pulled away in OT thanks in part to a questionable flagrant foul against Woodland early in OT that seemed to thrown ULV off.  More importantly, the Stags shot a perfect 5 for 5 from the field in extra time.  La Verne shot 60% in the second half, but couldn't keep it up in OT, sealing their fate.

Blees was huge, going 13-23 from the floor and tallying 31 points (despite 5-11 from the line) along with 10 boards.  Gaffaney, Anderson, and Maceira all chipped in double digits.  CMS got just 6 points from the bench in this game (all from Mivshek) and all the starters logged 30+ minutes.

Other notes:

It'll be interesting to see how the Stags fare on Sunday against Redlands.  Will they be worn out from the tough battle tonight?  Will they benefit from their first close game in weeks and bring a renewed focus against what may be their biggest challenger for SCIAC supremacy?  Will Redlands have more fans at Ducey than CMS (the semester has started at U of R, but not at The Claremont Colleges)?

As for La Verne, if they can shoot this well consistently, they can beat anyone in SCIAC.  That's a big if, though.  Still, kudos to them for nearly knocking off CMS.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 12, 2012, 02:24:20 AM
Eyewitness report from Eagle Rock:

Oxy 81 Caltech 55

Sorry, not this time, Caltech. This was no contest. Oxy led 16-2 to start the game, and led 43-27 at the half. After Deshun McCoy made 4 straight free throws it was 59-37 and goodnight, thanks for coming. Oxy pounded CIT on the boards 53-23. McCoy and Kris Montoya each scored 19, Conrad Liebowitz had 12 plus 13 rebs, and Ryan Chong scored 12. Only bad stat for the Tigers was 17 turnovers, many of them unforced.

For Caltech, Mike Edwards had 18 and Andrew Hogue scored 14.

Oxy is 7-6, 2-0 SCIAC and is home to Whittier (9-4, 1-1) on Saturday. The Poets polished off Cal Lutheran 74-57. Caltech (5-8, 0-2) is at Pomona (7-5, 2-0), which got a 60-51 road win at Redlands.

In the other two SCIAC games, Claremont (13-0, 2-0) is home to Redlands (6-7, 1-1), while hard luck La Verne (3-10, 0-2) is home to Cal Lutheran (4-8, 0-2).

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: (509)Rat on January 12, 2012, 09:06:51 AM
Caltech: the only "Solid" team who probably won't win a game in their own conference....
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on January 12, 2012, 12:22:54 PM
Video Witness of CMS game

I tuned in for the second half of the CMS game and in an exciting finish and game that showed where both teams excel and can improve.

For the Stags, Blees was simply at his finest for a bulk of the game. They got him in iso situations on the block, where he has much improved his physicality and finishing with post moves as well as off screen roll with shot clock winding down. He provided basket after basket around the rim. In somewhat of a "Kobe" effect though, I think some of the other Stags got stagnant watching Blees go to work. This turned out to be an issue late in the game as the Stags were passive and passing around the perimeter until the end of the shot clock. ALL the players need to remain aggressive while the game is going so they aren't cold come end of game situations. Anderson and Maciera continued to remain active on the boards, but rather than token screening for 20 seconds, the Stags should really be punishing teams with their aggressive motion offense late in games. This will be key for them in the coming games. La Verne was very discombobulated on defense -some chasing screens, other sagging - it should give the Stags opportunities to really attack them. Though they may condense their spacing, running the motion inside the 3 will actually allow them to spring free on fade and wall screens for wide open 3s. They need to continue to take up space when defenders sag and step up if an open shot or opportunity presents itself.

Defensively, the Stags showed at moments why they give up the 3rd fewest pts in the nation, while at others showed how lapses can create issues. They really focused on shutting down and making life difficult for Napolitano, forcing him into 8 turnovers! They stuck to the game plan and really forced him to pass out of aggressive doubles or go over 4 hands to score. From what I heard, the first half they were aggressive with Woodland and forced him into difficult spots. However, when I started watching, Woodland was getting to his spots and able to get some space for shots. Anderson did a good job chasing him around, but still got lost a few times or gave him a little extra space. Give credit to ULV and Coach Reed though, they were able to get Woodland into iso situations and also get him open off baseline screens coupled with penetration from the guards. They ran a very nice set at the end of the game to get him free for the tying 3pointer. It seemed that in the 2nd half the stags went away from their aggressive style, giving up open 3s and letting ULV dictate the flow on that half of the court. I'm sure there are going to be great teaching points for Scali and his staff to point out from this film.

From ULV perspective, this has got to be devastating. Back to back OT losses to start conference, and just another crushing close defeat. They have shown they can compete with any team, but also have mental lapses. After the intentional foul in OT (which I thought was the right call - there was contact to the head and in the air), they lost their composure and quickly went from down 2 to down 10. They really had their chances to pull off the upset in regulation as well - Jeremy Lay had a wide open 3 he missed to tie or take the lead. They could never get over the hump and only tied the game with Woodland's three.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: breakfromcoaching on January 12, 2012, 12:24:31 PM
Rat,
We'll agree to disagree about Caltech.  They may not win a conference game, but I still don't think they are a "bad" team taking into account all DIII teams.  I can't argue your point about not winning a conference game though...

Right now they're definitely in a funk.  Hopefully they can right the ship (and soon).

They have a rough stretch with three road games in a row.  Maybe they'll rise up, maybe they won't, but we'll see...
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on January 12, 2012, 02:48:48 PM
There is definitely trouble for the Beavers.

Last night is the worst I've seen them play in two years: they didn't move the ball, they were passive as no one wanted to attack, their screens were merely an afterthought as opposed to solid, and they continually left shooters wide open.  They managed to get shots off, they just didn't go in. Even layups were difficult for them to make.  They continued their rebounding woes to the tune of 53-23!!

I'll eat crow, I thought this game would be tight....the result speaks for itself however.  Hopefully they can rectify some (or all) or these issues in practice this week.  Going in to PP will be a rough game for them.

Clearly Cramer's absence is affecting this team -- he created shots for everyone (leading assist guy, 3rd in the nation for a while), could create his own shot, and he was their leading rebounder.

In other news...tough loss for La Verne...hopefully they can break through soon.

First close game for CMS in a looong while...not sure their starters have played that much since early december?

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldchap on January 12, 2012, 08:25:22 PM
Fun facts regarding Cal Tech this year:

Cal Tech handily beat West Coast Baptist by a score of 95-79. That game wasn't even close as Cal Tech led from about half way through the first half to win by a comfortable margin. The same West Coast Baptist College team went on to beat Oxy and Chapman, who both beat Cal Tech without much contest.

So, what does it prove? It proves that Cal Tech lacks consistency but can be competitive on any given night. While I would not say that Cal tech is "solid", I won't say that they are "terrible" either. They are a team that has improved tremendously over the last couple of years under the leadership of a new coach and is trying to earn some athletic respect (they have plenty in the academic department). They will undoubtedly continue to get better, as their target is none other than their academic archrivals MIT, who has been consistently ranked in D3 top 25 over the last few years. It goes to show that academic prowesses doesn't necessarily equate to poor athletic abilities. In other words, you don't have to be a nerd to excel in School.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on January 12, 2012, 08:41:23 PM
WoostAr probably has it right regarding Cal Tech in that losing a team impact player like Cramer really hurts the team. Cal Tech doesn't have a strong bench to make up the difference.

Also, I really feel for ULV...they have had more than their fair share of heart breakers. Hopefully, someone on the team will step up and become the leader when the game is on the line. CU played them 3 times this year and all games were tightly contested.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: (509)Rat on January 12, 2012, 09:32:12 PM
Quote from: breakfromcoaching on January 12, 2012, 12:24:31 PM
Rat,
We'll agree to disagree about Caltech.  They may not win a conference game, but I still don't think they are a "bad" team taking into account all DIII teams.  I can't argue your point about not winning a conference game though...

Right now they're definitely in a funk.  Hopefully they can right the ship (and soon).

They have a rough stretch with three road games in a row.  Maybe they'll rise up, maybe they won't, but we'll see...

Woostar's post is fair. And for the record I never said Caltech isn't improving or will never be good. They've got their hurdles, sure. But I also don't understand why so many posters on this board seem to baby these kids and this team. I'm sure the players don't believe in moral victories, so why do their supporters?

breakfromcoaching deserves some type of award. Something like the "First Poster to Believe the SCIAC is A Deep League" Award.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 12, 2012, 11:32:33 PM
Quote from: (509)Rat on January 12, 2012, 09:32:12 PM
But I also don't understand why so many posters on this board seem to baby these kids and this team. 

I look forward to the next Todd Cramer eulogy.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on January 13, 2012, 03:43:11 PM
Redlands @ CMS -- Should be exciting rematch of last years SCIAC championship...expect CMS to win at home.

Caltech @ PP -- Maybe I can catch some of each of these games?!...will be a tough task for Caltech to keep this close...PP with some great freshman this year...looking forward to seeing them live.

Cal Lu @ LaVerne -- I got a feeling LaVerne finally breaks through at home, but expect this game to be tight....no Wolpe inside to deal with Van Klaveren...guessing Hoyt (and maybe Bauer?) will have their hands full.

Whittier @ Oxy -- Not sure Oxy has the firepower to stay with Whittier, let's see if Oxy can handle Whittier's press and uptempo style.

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on January 13, 2012, 04:19:53 PM
Some early season battles on Saturday night:

Redlands @ CMS
Big game for both teams - CMS looks to continue its winning ways and play a sharper game than they have in their first 2 SCIAC games, while Redlands looks to rebound from a tough loss to Pomona on Wednesday.

This game also provides a rematch of last years SCIAC tournament championship where Redlands went on an early 17-0 run to bury CMS and then provide counterpunches to every CMS rally in the second half. Redlands also swept CMS which last happened to the Stags in 07-08 when PP swept them in the same manner.

I have a feeling this matchup will get the Stags refocused and back to playing the way they were earlier in the season. They realized they are no longer invincible and have to tighten up the screws in conference as every team has scouted them and had a real chance to see them play.

Students should be filtering into campus Saturday to give the them so much needed fan support. I think the Stags clamp down and avenge last years sweep.

CMS 72 Redlands 56

Caltech @ PP
PP rolls, setting up a HUGE matchup with CMS early in the year on Wednesday for 1st place.

PP wins 73-49

CLU @ ULV
In a compelling game of 0-2 teams that have had tough losses, this should be a fun game to watch. It matches teams with different styles and who are looking to kickstart their SCIAC season. I think ULV is the better team, but CLU has the better coaching and system. I think ULV wins this game in the Supertent

ULV over CLU 64-58

Whittier @ Oxy
Oxy is undefeated and I think this has all the makings of a high scoring shootout. Both teams have multiple weapons on offense and this game should be wide open. Whittier imposes their will and style to cause Oxy to play too fast.

Whitter wins on the road 88-74
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cmsme on January 14, 2012, 09:37:41 PM
Looked like a good game against Redlands.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CMSfan on January 15, 2012, 01:59:28 AM
Eyewitness Report from Claremont:

CMS 76, Redlands 67

Box Score: http://www.cmsathletics.org/sports/mbkb/2011-12/files/UR-CMS.HTM (http://www.cmsathletics.org/sports/mbkb/2011-12/files/UR-CMS.HTM)

Good win for the Stags.  With the exception of a couple lapses in the second half, they played smart, aggressive ball and capitalized on Redlands's mistakes.  The lead was up to 16 or 18 at one point in the second half.  Redlands made a run to get within 7 thanks to some impressive shooting from Mychal Estrada, but the outcome was never really in doubt.

Other Notes:



Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 17, 2012, 11:21:49 AM
Wednesday's SCIAC schedule, all games 7:30 p.m.

Whittier (10-4, 2-1 SCIAC) @ La Verne (4-10, 1-2)
Claremont (14-0, 3-0) @ Pomona (8-5, 3-0)
Redlands (6-8, 1-2) @ Oxy (7-7, 2-1)
Caltech (5-9, 0-3) @ Cal Lutheran (4-9, 0-3)

The big game is Claremont @ Pomona, which is always a big game no matter what. Claremont has established itself as the SCIAC top dog, but never count out Coach Kat and the Sagehens, especially in Rains Center, which will be rocking. I say Pomona knocks the Stags from the unbeaten ranks in a low-scoring defensive game.

Whittier pressed and harassed Oxy into 22 turnovers in its easy 19-point win over the Tigers. The Poets will get another road win at La Verne, which will put up its usual good fight before succumbing.

Claremont, Pomona, and Whittier look to be the top three teams in the SCIAC. The Redlands-Oxy game will give the winner a leg up for the 4th spot. Edge to Oxy at home, but only a slight edge.

Cal Lutheran gets its first conference win against Caltech.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etule on January 17, 2012, 01:49:37 PM
I like Oxy but I think that Redlands wins this one! They can put up the points and play hard! They are also bigger than Oxy. So McCoy and Handly are going to have big nights for them to win! I hope they do but Im doubtful!

CMS looks like they may run the table. PP game will be telling! Whittier is a team that could cause problems. They are playing well! Fun year!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on January 17, 2012, 02:30:34 PM
Claremont at Pomona will be a big game...we probably all agree on that...I think Claremont should be favored in every game they play this season (barring injuries), and they'll probably pull this one out.

I'm torn on the La Verne/Whittier game...La Verne can clearly keep up with anyone, the question is can they win.....if La Verne can keep their turnovers down and play a slower pace, I like their chances.

Redlands @ Oxy...I'm taking Redlands....hung tight with Claremont @ Claremont...I think they handle Oxy with relative ease.

Caltech played better this weekend...Pan Wang has become more aggressive which is nice to see.  Michael Edwards has been relegated to the post while Runkel is out with an ankle sprain in an attempt to help with rebounding.  End result is Edwards (a perimeter shooter) plays the post where his team-mates don't pass him the ball (and he looks uncomfortable to start with) and then ends up frustrated because he doesn't get the ball.  In other words...the Beaver's offense (on top of the Cramer absense...had to throw it in just for you OxyBob) presently has players in in-effective positions.  That said, if Runkel can come back and guard Van Klaveren and Edwards can move back to the perimeter, maybe he can hit enough shots to give the Beavers a fighting chance????....barring a Michael Edwards shooting explosion, I'll take Cal Lu.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etule on January 17, 2012, 04:54:33 PM
I think Whittier gets La Verne. La Verne has a couple of good guards but I think the pressure gets to them and Whitter wins easy!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on January 18, 2012, 01:08:02 PM
Fun slate of games tonight in the SCIAC

CMS @ Pomona
The headline matchup of the night! Anytime CMS PP meet, it usually is the marquee game given the rivalry and how successful the programs have been over the last 10-12 years. Tonight is no different as there are a variety of storylines on the tape - Does CMS continue their magical undefeated run? Who takes the inside track as sole 1st place in SCIAC? Does PP avenge their first loss to CMS at Rains in 5 years? How much will the crowd play a factor? Will Blees and Maciera as they usually do against PP? Does PP and their relatively unknown set of players band together for the upset? How does the Kats-Scali chess match play out? Will it be a high scoring affair or similar to 09-10 with a game with 83 total points scored.

Lets try and tackle some of these story lines:

For the last 13 years, Scali and Kats have been coaching against each other and I don't know the exact record, but if I had to guess it would be something like 16-13 with Pomona having the edge. Since 05-06, PP has the edge 8-7. They both know each other so well and they change very little in their offensive and defensive schemes.

For Pomona: expect them to shoot ALOT of 3s and at a high rate. They run a very nice flex/motion offense where shooters often set a screen to receive one or 2 for a 3. They also penetrate and pitch very well. Often their lead guards don't even look to finish around the rim, but rather draw 2, and pass to the open shooter. It's not the most complex scheme, but they execute well. Defensively they have continue to be a team that sticks to their principles and make CMS beat them with the jump shot. On made baskets, expect a soft 2-2-1 press to take time off the clock and for them to fall in to a soft 2-3 zone. They close to shooters but really focus on prevent high post and short corner touches. Its a defense predicated on keeping teams out of the paint. On misses, they fall back into a very soft man. They play "toes" defense where their toes usually do not venture outside the 3pt line. They go under all screens and will force the Stags to shoot 3s and contested jumpers. They gang rebound and then will opportunistically try and run in transition. The KEY for them will be to keep the Stags off the offensive glass and out of the key. They will really sag off Blees and do their best to make him a shooter. This will be a little more difficult as Blees plays on the block some more this year.

For CMS: expect them to come out playing a very physical brand of basketball. This year they haven't been as well regarded for their rugged defense as in the past due to their offensive prowess. They still have a top-5 national defensive ppg allowed, and top 10 rebound margin, which shows that they still are playing physical Scali-ball. They are slightly undersized, but this actually provides better matchups for them on defense against PP as they can cover the "Dirk-like" bigs that Pomona usually has. They will hound the ball for 94 feet, nothing crazy with traps, but PP ball handlers will be feeling guard pressure the entire game. While it doesn't cause many TO's it wears down their legs through 40 minutes. In the half court, the Stags will need to pressure the passer and more importantly not allow screeners to make a straight line to their spot. If they are able to disrupt timing by bumping cutters and screeners while being physical chasing shooters over screens, it will cause PP to have trouble scoring the ball. Then when the shot goes up, it becomes paramount that all 5 come to the boards and rebound. Sexton killed them in 09/10 with 25 rebs, and in 06 Nate Porter caused all sorts of problems with his o-board tips. This is the situation where PP can get open 3s and really change momentum.

In transition, the Stags must get some easy baskets. If they can get 8-12pts on the break they should win. The other key will be FTs. They have been getting to the line at a very high rate, but missing alot of FTs. In a tight and hotly contested game, these will be paramount. On the offensive side, they KEY remains hitting jumpshots and finding ways into the paint. They really need to focus on setting fade screens and taking up all the space PP will give them to screen. If they do so, they should be running their motion in a tight box. This will cause the PP team to have to close out harder off screens and open passing and driving lanes for the Stags.

It will be VERY interesting to see how Maciera and Blees handle the game. In 06/07 Maciera played hard, but pressed a bit much as he felt he needed carry all the scoring load for the Stags. Blees has had some very efficient games and some high volume shooting games vs PP. @ PP though, his best game was arguably as a freshman. In his soph and jr years, he struggled, going a combined 8 for 29 as the PP defense really focused on him. The key to his success remains being efficient with his dribbles, passing out of doubles, and keeping his composure. He can't think he has to score 26 to win - instead getting 12 and 10 assists will be far better for the Stags. Fouls will be difficult to draw in this atmosphere, and instead of going against 2 or 3 Sagehens, he should look to sit down and pass to Gaffney, Pinson for 3 or Maciera and Anderson cutting off the ball. I would guess Kats will bring a 2nd defender from either Pinson or Anderson, and possibly Gaffney, so Blees and Maciera will have to recognized where the open man is.

The crowd is something to really consider for this game as well. Classes just started yesterday at all the 5 colleges, so there is limited if any coursework. Friends are all getting together after 1 month, and some 1 semester away from each other. Both teams are undefeated. From what I hear there is a certain buzz around campus that everyone is putting their day on hold to attend this game. With the ruckus crowds and certain emotional swings, the key for the players will be to keep their composure in the atmosphere. There won't be a home court advantage from a noise perspective, but simply from a familiarity in the surroundings. PP tends to keep their composure much better than CMS. Stags are usually over energized and excitable players who really enjoy and feed off the crowd. Its important to do so, but at the same time, if there is a 7-0 run by PP, the Stags have to come together, execute of offense and play as a unit.

It will be a tightly contested game, and I think there will be serious runs from both sides. The team who wins the rebounding battle tends to win this game often. If CMS can get out in transition and knock down a couple of shots early, they should win. The key will be forcing PP into 2pt jump shots and moving them off the 3pt line.

I think CMS wins this game, but not before some close calls.

CMS over PP 64-57 


Redlands @ Oxy
Very intriguing matchup between two teams fighting for a SCIAC playoff berth. While Redlands is 1-2, their 3 games have come against the top 3 teams in the SCIAC, with losses to CMS and PP. Nothing to be ashamed of there. Oxy is just getting into the tough part of their schedule with games Redlands, CMS and Pomona still left on their first half SCIAC schedule.

I really don't know who will win this game. Redlands has had 2 tough losses and will be looking to bounce back, while Oxy was stifled to 46 pts vs Whittier. With Montoya, Hanley, and McCoy, they should have more offensive firepower than 46 points, but Newhall is also a defensive minded coach who doesn't mind grinding it out. With Redlands you get a good dose of Colston inside who went for 20+ against CMS while Kirk and Estrada provide good scoring from the guard positions.

I would expect both teams to be well prepared, but I will be very curious how Newhall vs Ducey goes. Both are very good coaches, but also employ somewhat non-traditional ploys and strategies from time to time. I wouldnt be surprised to see some zone defenses from both teams as well as some soft presses to keep the offense from grinding along.

Should be a fun game to watch and will be curious to hear about an eyewitness report from Rush.

I have Redlands pulling out the win @ Oxy 59-53

Whittier @ ULV
In a matchup of what I consider the two most athletically gifted teams in the SCIAC, I expect to see a serious shootout. Both teams enjoy getting up and down the court and shooting quickly. They both have 4-5 very capable scorers who can go for 20 on any given night. Whittier, though I still have not seen them, continues to light up the scoreboard. They are lead by Drew Menez who is putting up 19ppg along with Easterman, and Preer who can go for 20.

La Verne is led by Trevor Woodland who might be the purest shooter in the SCIAC. There are very few open shots that he misses and his 2nd half performance against CMS was one of the better scoring showcases I have seen in the last 5-6 years. Austin Napolitano is a force on the block while Lay, Veith, and Hoyt are all capable offensively.

The key to this game will lie in how ULV handles the pressure and speed Whittier is forcing teams to play at. If they are able to stay comfortable in the track meet, they have the firepower to keep things close. Whittier is very talented and seems thrive as games get higher scoring. I look for them to win this game going away as they wear down the ULV guards.

Whittier wins a barnburner 94-81

Caltech @ CLU
Cal Lu will overpower Caltech in this game. Van Klaveran is having a very big year on the block for the Kingsmen and they have also received great production out of their freshman Martin Flowers and Mike Harris. While both teams are 0-3, I think we will see a pretty comfortable win from CLU at home. They are going to be hungry for a win and will essentially bully their way to an easy win.

CLU of Caltech 73-49
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on January 19, 2012, 12:24:10 AM
WOW!!! CMS wins in a DRAMATIC fashion tonight 57-55

Longer update tomorrow morning, but Stags were up by 1 with about 50 seconds when Tyler Gaffney hit a 3 to send them up 4. PP made a layup next time down to draw them within 2. Blees made front end of 1and1 only to miss the 2nd. Stags up 55-52 with 28 seconds. PP runs up the court and then has nothing so Katz calls timeout with 8.9 left on the clock. He draws up an AWESOME play to spring open a player cross court who drills the 3 to tie the game with probably 6 seconds. Without a timeout, Remy Pinson does his best Tyus Edney impersonation and goes the length of the court and scores on a left handed layup with .5 seconds left.  Mayhem ensues, but Pomona calls a time out, runs a play that touches no one, yet the stands clear again. FInally CMS inbounds and game is over!!!

CMS wins 57-55, escaping in one of the BEST CMS-PP finishes. Right up there with 05/06 win by CMS, 06/07 PP win @ CMS, and 07/08 PP win in the SCIAC championship.

Hope both teams get some rest and dont have a let down Saturday night.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CMSfan on January 19, 2012, 12:46:01 AM
Instant classic in Claremont.  Electric atmosphere.  Stags fell behind early but battled back late in the first half to pull within one at the break.  Second half was tight the whole way.  I'll let Stag44 give the full recap tomorrow.

Box Score: http://www.pe.pomona.edu/sports/mbkb/2011-12/boxscores/20120118_sk6b.xml (http://www.pe.pomona.edu/sports/mbkb/2011-12/boxscores/20120118_sk6b.xml)

Video: http://www.pe.pomona.edu/sports/mbkb/2011-12/videos/CMS_-_PP.flv (http://www.pe.pomona.edu/sports/mbkb/2011-12/videos/CMS_-_PP.flv)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 19, 2012, 01:18:33 PM
Claremont 57, Pomona 55: Watched the last few minutes of the Claremont-Pomona game. Great finish. No one got in front of Pinson as he weaved his way down the court for a game-winning layup.

Redlands 67, Oxy 56: The Tigers were down 14 to Redlands at the start of the second half. Oxy cut the Bulldogs' lead to 4 but couldn't get over. Oxy had another sloppy game with 18 turnovers, and were outscored 29-3 on bench points.

Whittier 81, La Verne 71: ULV was game and hung in with Whittier before losing.

CLU 64, Caltech 42: Cal Lutheran got its first conference win with a victory over Caltech. Down 21, the Beavers cut the lead to 9 with 7:30 left, but were outscored 17-4 the rest of the way. Aaron Van Klaveren scored 16 and had 12 rebs for CLU. Collin Murphy scored 12 for CIT. Todd Cramer DNP.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on January 19, 2012, 01:57:50 PM
Video Witness of CMS-PP

It was an easy decision to stay awake in New York to watch the highly anticipated matchup of CMS vs PP on my laptop. One of the better choices I've made after the rollercoaster ride that we witnessed.

Rains was packed well before tip, and by the end of the game there was no room in the entrances or stands - probably matched only by the game in 05/06 and the SCIAC championship in 07/08 from an attendance perspective.

As expected, both teams came out VERY anxious and sloppy. There was limited scoring through the first 6-7 minutes as CMS led 6-4, 6 minutes into the game. There were bricks (airballs about 3 feet over the rim from serious adrenaline flowing through everyone's system), turnovers (uncharacteristic forced passes, dribbling into traffic), and wild shots. It seemed like everyone was trying to win the game with one play and so there was limited execution. PP started in an active but compact 2-3 zone defense. For some reason, the Stags refused to hit the high post. From the video camera angle, it seemed like Maciera and Blees were often open at the FT line, but the guards decided to swing around the wing, worried about deflections or turnovers. This led to alot of contested jumpshots or dumps to Blees and making him go against 3 guys and try to make a play.

Then PP caught fire and hit 3 straight 3's and stretched their lead to 19-9 with 6:29 to go in the half. They went on a 15-3 run over this 7 minute stretch which could be attributed to their zone defense and sharpshooting, as well as confusing the Stags with their High Post-Princeton style offense. They were slicing through the key, rubbing off their high post guard and keeping the paint clear. The bench looked rattled and not ready for the atmosphere and mayhem on the court. Mivshek airballed a 3 from the corner by about 4 feet and was really pressing the issue out there. You can tell he's just trying hard, but needed to take a deep breath and slow down out there.

CMS responded with a 11-0 run of their own fueled by their improved defense, patient offense, and aggressive rebounding. Anderson showed his great athleticism by snagging 2 big time o-boards and getting 4 pts. I was impressed with how calm Grodahl looked out there given he was a freshmen. He's played in his fair share of big games as a starter for Jesuit HS in Oregon. Now with Stags up 20-19, the teams exchanged baskets and PP went into the half up 23-22.

For all things considered, CMS escaped the first half and was lucky to be down just 1. They were playing as individuals, turning over the ball, and forcing terrible shots. Just overall a poor half with too many players trying to be heroes. It's pretty standard in this game that players try to play bigger than there role and last night was no different.

Onto the second half:
Both teams seemed to settle down and the 2nd half was more a story of one-uppsmanship, as opposed to how the first half was a comedy of errors. Both teams were making shot after shot and I don't think either team led by more than 4 the whole 2nd half. The game was in a great flow for the first 10 minutes of the half and then things started to tighten as the game moved into crunch time.

What could have been a HUGE turning point was when Blees picked up his 4th foul with about 7 minutes to go on back-to-back charge calls. The first was a definite flop, and the second was a more 50/50 call, but still was difficult to tell on the camera. Regardless, the Stags were up 3 when he went out and LOCKED In on defense, and when he came back in 3 minutes later, they were down 1 and looking totally confused on offense.

Over the last 3 minutes though, there was just PLAY AFTER PLAY made. This was one of the better finished of game from an execution and clutch factor that I have witnessed. It started with Blees making a very savvy adjustment on their end of shotclock ball screen. After picking up 2 charges he eased up on his drive knowing he would draw another defender. With that he found Anderson for a layin to put the Stags up 1, 49-48. After getting a stop on the defensive end, the Stags were finally able to get their first 2 transition points on a Maciera layup from Blees to make it 51-48 with 2 minutes to go. After a BIGTIME charge taken by Maciera, CMS had wild shot from Anderson carom off the backboard. Cohen came down and calmly knocked down an elbow jumper off an on-ball screen to make it 51-50 with 1 minute to go.

Now in what was the biggest possession of the game, the Stags milked the clock and brought it down to 10 on the clock and had Blees and Maciera in on-ball action at the top of the key. Blees refused the screen, went right 2 dribbles and was able to suck in a defender and smartly kicked to a WIDE open Gaffney who buried a HUGE 3 pointer infront of the CMS fans. CMS up 54-50 with 29 seconds. PP comes down and calmly gets a layup with 20 seconds to go. After the make and a Kats timeout, the Stags are able to inbound the ball and then Blees got sent to the line. He has had is issues at the line this year, but was able to calmly sink the front end of the 1 and 1. He came up short on the second - PP got the rebound and after trying to find an open 3 in transition, Kats called a time out with 9 seconds to go. In an extremely smart design and perfectly executed, PP was able to spring Klukas free cross court and with a skip inbounds pass find him open as 2 Stags screwed up a switch and both stuck with Cohen. In front of his bench he calmly nailed a 3 to tie the game at 54-54 with just over 6 seconds left.

Now coaches are divided on how to handle this situation. Your team just gave up a lead and is in dissarray on the road. Fans are going crazy and your natural reaction is probably to call a timeout. Either Scali tried to and didn't happen, or he just calmly let the course of the game play out. The ball bounced 2 or 3 times after the make. The Stags all looked in shock but it also seemed that they all took a deep breath while the ball was bouncing. They inbounded the ball to Pinson who with some controlled urgency brought the ball upcourt. At the top of the key mad an in and out crossover to his left and somehow all defenders parted giving him a very decent lane to the hoop. He grasped the moment and went to the rim and banked home a nice lefty floating layup. Very big moxie by the soph guard!!! There was mayhem as the everyone thought the game was over but with .5 seconds on the clock, Kats called a timeout.

They had to move the fans back to the stands and both teams regrouped in their time out. PP airmailed a Grant Hill type pass without it touching anyone, and again everyone thought the game was over, but it was not as no one tipped it. So they cleared the court, CMS inbounded to Blees and he threw it in the air - GAME OVER - CMS 57-55

Can't emphasize enough how much this showed about this rivalry and both teams. CMS didnt have their best game and yet were able to find a way to victory in a usually hostile environment - this was their 2nd straight win at Rains, but prior had lost 5 straight. PP is tough, gritty and shoots the lights out if open from 3. Their 8-6 record is caveated with 5 of 6 losses coming to D1 (SDSU), NAIA-1 (BIOLA), D2 (CSU San Marcos), and top 25 D3 Schools (St Thomas, CMS). 

Blees, though late, made very good adjustments on how PP was guarding him and it was enough to get the win. Pinson and Gaffney played beyond their years and shot 8-11 from the field for 21 pts. Maciera and Anderson played like senior veterans who understood the pressure and atmosphere going for a combined 18pts 10rebs.

Really a great game, and added another classic to the annuls of the CMS-PP rivalry. Can't wait for this one in Ducey Feb 21, 2012. If both teams play the way they should it could be for the SCIAC Championship!!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cmsme on January 20, 2012, 12:18:34 PM
Regarding the last seconds of the PP CMS game, does the clock stop when the basket is made? It seems like there was more than 6 seconds. And the Stags seemed very calm, no rush.

Stag44 (and everyone else)--I love your write ups. thank you!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etule on January 20, 2012, 03:05:47 PM
PP was celebrating and the CMS guard was still playing! No one got in front of him at all! CMS is a tough minded team! Great game!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 20, 2012, 03:35:03 PM
Quote from: cmsme on January 20, 2012, 12:18:34 PM
Regarding the last seconds of the PP CMS game, does the clock stop when the basket is made?

I believe the rule is this: The game clock stops after a successful FG during the last minute of the second half and the last minute of overtime. That's what gave CMS a chance to regroup before Pinson's mad dash for the winning score.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on January 20, 2012, 03:36:47 PM
Quote from: etule on January 20, 2012, 03:05:47 PM
PP was celebrating and the CMS guard was still playing! No one got in front of him at all! CMS is a tough minded team! Great game!

Pinson actually made a very nice move at the top of the key and then made lay up with his offhand over a defender. The problem occurred in that PP did not pick him up at full court, though they never do that in practice. Overall, it was a big time play from Pinson who made up for is defensive snafu seconds earlier. If you look at the replay, there was a miscommunication on the switch between Pinson and Gaffney which left Klukas open. Really big mental mistake and they paid for it.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on January 20, 2012, 03:55:18 PM
Saturday's Games:

CMS @ Whittier
The road gets no easier for CMS. Playing at Whittier is always difficult as the gym is darker than most and sometimes feels much colder, especially compared to the toaster oven Ducey.

Whitter is going to be gunning for CMS and will be mentally focused to take down the #12 team in the nation. They will be pressing the whole game and try to get CMS sped up and force Pinson, Gaffney and Blees into turnovers. Im sure they look at the box scores and see the 7 and 5tos from Blees and Pinson and think they can really pressure them into TOs. The key will be how CMS handles the Man and 2-2-1 press. Both present different issues.

Offensively Whittier presents problems all around the floor. The key will be to following scouting reports and making sure Stags are willing to take charges, help the helper and gang rebound. On top of that their one-on-one defensive skills will be tested. The more players can guard without help and keep WC out of the paint, the more frustrated and quick Whittier will shoot.

I think CMS wins this game, but not without a serious fight from Whittier,

CMS wins 87-76.


Redlands @ Caltech
Redlands beats Caltech with ease

67-43

ULV @ PP
PP rebounds with a win over ULV. It will be a very close game and show what emotional and physical fatigue the CMS PP game puts on players.

PP wins 64-57

OXY @ CLU
CLU gets another win on the tape. I think this could be a sleeper great game. Both teams plod along. Game will be low scoring and physical. I like CLU at home though. It looks like their freshman are starting to understand how the SCIAC plays and figuring out their roles.

CLU wins 58-52
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etule on January 20, 2012, 06:25:42 PM
I think Whittier may cause some problems for CMS. This will be a good game!

Im going with Occidental. They have more talent than CLU!

I'm also going with LaVerne over PP. They are due for a blowout game!

I'm also going with Cal Tech over Redlands!  Kidding Blowout by Redlands! I still think Redlands will be there against CMS in the playoffs!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: (509)Rat on January 21, 2012, 09:44:01 PM
"Solid" teams don't get "blown out" or beat by Redlands "with ease". Bad teams do though...
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 22, 2012, 02:03:27 AM
Saturday night's scores...

Whittier 88 Claremont 85 2OT: Drew Menez hit a 3-ball with 23 seconds to go in the second overtime to give the Poets the win, and hand the Stags their first loss of the season. Menez led all scorers with 23. Chris Blees had 19 for Claremont.

Redlands 74 Caltech 41: UR led 20-2 after the first nine minutes, and that was that. Tristan Kirk scored 16 for the Bulldogs, and Jack Colston had 11 points and 14 rebounds. Andrew Hogue scored 15 off the bench for CIT.

Pomona 64 La Verne 57: Pomona only led 48-45 with 7 minutes left, but the Sagehens went on a 9-2 run and got the win. Jack Klukas scored 19 for Pomona. Austin Napolitano had 20 for the Leopards.

Cal Lutheran 60 Oxy 54: CLU led 44-34 with 10 minutes to go. Oxy cut it to 48-46, but the Kingsmen scored 7 straight and got the victory. Aaron Van Klaveren dominated with 22 points and 17 rebounds for CLU. Jack Hanley scored 15 for the Tigers.

3-way tie for first place in the conference between Claremont, Pomona, and Whittier, all 4-1.

Wednesday's games...

La Verne (4-12, 1-4 SCIAC) @ Caltech (5-11, 0-5)
Oxy (7-9, 2-3) @ Claremont (15-1, 4-1)
Pomona (9-6, 4-1) @ Whittier (12-4, 4-1)
Cal Lutheran (6-9, 2-3) @ Redlands (8-8, 3-2)

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CMSfan on January 22, 2012, 02:37:48 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 22, 2012, 02:03:27 AM
Whittier 88 Claremont 85

Anybody see the game?  I watched the first half online and the Stags looked like they were in control.  What happened?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: West Coast Bias on January 24, 2012, 02:53:59 PM
Apparently Stag44 only posts after CMS wins.

La Verne is too talented to be 1-4.  Can they make a run to the conference tourney a la Cal Lu in 2009?

I heard Oxy was going up tempo this year?  Doesn't seem to be the case as of late.

Good to see Nettles back for Cal Lu.  He gives them another weapon they desperately need.

Whittier is the real deal.  Might be the most talented team in the league (although we have said that before).

Who are all these new guys for PP?  And what happened to Moss?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on January 24, 2012, 03:28:00 PM
Quote from: West Coast Bias on January 24, 2012, 02:53:59 PM
Apparently Stag44 only posts after CMS wins.

Wanted to post, but I wasn't able to catch the whole game. In talking with some of the guys and looking at the box score, looks like the Stags were forced into turnovers and sped up at the beginning of the 2nd half. The first half, they shot the lights out and were playing at their tempo.

In the overtimes, Menez hit shot after shot and Whittier was getting to the 50/50 balls. One thing that can't be emphasized enough was Blees going 3-9 from the FT line. Pinson also missed some big fts in the 2nd OT that allowed Menez to hit the game winning 3. The Stags have always been suspect from the line and need to shore that up.

It's never easy to play in Whittier, you could sense the Stags were getting a little complacent going 15-0, and coming off the extremely emotional game vs PP, a let down was bound to happen. Even though they had 19 TOs, shot under 60% from the FT line and were out rebounded, they had chances to win the game.

Regardless, give ALL the credit to Whittier. They held serve on their home court and showed how good they can be. They are as talented as any team on the west coast, and if you allow them to play at their tempo and pace, they will burn you. Also I was impressed how they were able to contain Blees with their packed zone. They took a page out of Pomona's book by just have 2-3 bodies between Blees and the basket forcing him to either finish over 4 hands or pass to open guys. Menez hit clutch shots after clutch shots, and they were animals on the class. It will make the next 9 games very interesting.

They were dejected after the game and after going over 2 months without a loss, I'll be very interested to see how they respond in practice and against Oxy.


Good Slate of games for Wednesday:

ULV @ CalTech

ULV gets back on track - 77-51

Oxy @ CMS

CMS wins a closer than expected game - 73-66

PP @ Whittier

PP is able to tame the Poets and takes this game in a high scoring affair - 86-79

CLU @ Redlands

Redlands makes CLU's 3 hour journey miserable on the way back - 66-54
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 24, 2012, 04:50:42 PM
On Hoopsville on Sunday night, I asked the coach of Mount St. Mary for his take on Claremont. Here's his response:

http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/19947129/highlight/235355
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etule on January 24, 2012, 05:19:25 PM
I think the Poet's win again! They are very good this year. CMS is fortunate that they didn't lose two in a row. I think they are still the class of the league. I think they may smack Occidental tomorrow!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 25, 2012, 10:52:12 AM
Quote from: West Coast Bias on January 24, 2012, 02:53:59 PM
Who are all these new guys for PP?  And what happened to Moss?

Xavry Moss was studying abroad in China. He was supposed to rejoin the team in December. He's no longer on the Pomona roster.

Quote from: West Coast Bias on January 24, 2012, 02:53:59 PM
I heard Oxy was going up tempo this year?  Doesn't seem to be the case as of late.

Oxy better be up tempo tonight in the Temple of Doom, or they'll get eaten up by Claremont like chilled monkey brains.

---------------------------------------------

Wednesday night wrap up...

Claremont 75 Oxy 64: Claremont led 40-34 at halftime. The Stags scored 7 straight to start the second half, led 47-34 at 17:00, and were never in danger, though Oxy got it under 10 a couple of times. For Oxy, Deshun McCoy scored 21, and Jack Hanley had 13. For Claremont, Tyler Gaffaney and Chris Blees each scored 14, and Mani Maceira had 11. Not a lot of defense: Claremont shot 61% from the floor, Oxy 53%.

Pomona 66 Whittier 57: WC jumped out to a 12-0 lead, but Pomona came right back with 15 straight, and the teams see-sawed back and forth. Whittier led 34-32 at halftime. After the Poets took a 40-36 lead, the Sagehens went on an 12-1 run and led 48-41 with 11 minutes left, and WC never caught up after that. For Pomona, Michael Cohen scored 23, Jack Klukas had 13, and Kyle McAndrews and John Weiss each scored 10. For Whittier, Nate Eaterman scored 23, and Greg Preer had 13.

Redlands 72 Cal Lutheran 56: The Bulldogs pulled away in the second half and got an easy win at home. UR: Tristan Kirk 17, Mychal Estrada 13, Brian Kuklok 12, Matt Calhoun 10. CLU: Aaron Van Klaveren 17 and 13 rebs, Mike Harris 15, Xavier Walton 12.

La Verne 75 Caltech 66: Game was tied 34-34 at halftime. In the second half, CIT led 45-42 at 15:00, but ULV outscored Caltech 17-2 over 5 minutes for a 59-47 lead, and the Leopards weren't headed after that. ULV: Austin Napolitano 29 pts and 11 rebs, Trevor Woodland 21. Caltech: Bryan Joel and Andrew Hogue each scored 16, Mike Edwards 15, Alex Runkel 14 rebs.

At the turn of the conference schedule there's a clear division between the top 4 and bottom 4 teams, and that's not likely to change after this Saturday's games:

La Verne (5-12, 2-4 SCIAC) @ Redlands (9-8, 4-2)
Pomona (10-6, 5-1) @ Oxy (7-10, 2-4)
Cal Lutheran (6-10, 2-4) @ Claremont (16-1, 5-1)
Caltech (5-12, 0-6) @ Whittier (12-5, 4-2)

Look for Redlands and Claremont to get home wins, Whittier scores 100+ in a blowout win, and Pomona gets a road win.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on January 26, 2012, 02:54:25 PM
Saw the 2nd half of the Caltech game live:

While they lost this game, it was actually a game.  Caltech's energy and passion were back...they played hard instead of just going through the motions.  They moved the ball well and got good shots....not that they went in: Edwards was 4/15 from the field and Hogue was 6/15 and the team was 11/29 from three....sounds obvious, but if Caltech can score more points they could start winning again. :)

Napolitano scored 29 and woodland 18 (or 21 if you look at la verne's website) to combine for 47 (50) out of La Verne's 75 points...clearly in the rematch against this team Caltech will need to find a defensive answer for those two.

Looking forward for Caltech, highly athletic teams are hard on this team (Hamline for example)....playing at Whittier will be a big test for them....hoping they can carry some momentum from this game into the next.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on January 28, 2012, 09:33:42 AM
Early Saturday Morning here in NYC - time to preview the games tonight!

CLU @ CMS
This is always a great, rugged, physical game. To be honest, I am glad the Stags have this matchup when they do. In SCIAC games they have been getting out-rebounded and sometimes out-physicaled. This is very unlike Scali-teams, and especially with a team that was +14 during non-conference in the rebounding category. This game should bring them back to the smashmouth, swarming defense that made took them to 15-0.

CLU has had its lumps this year. They are very very young, but can rely on a double double from Van Klaveran and senior leadership from Walton. They have been getting some great production out of Harris, Nettles, Knudsen, but just haven't produced enough offense to win games this year. While they slow the pace and really pound you inside, they they have yet to score over 64pts in SCIAC play.

CMS has not been impressive in SCIAC this year. I think some of that is a testament to the conference being stronger, but some of it has has also been due to a lapse in their defense. They are giving up (ex Caltech) over 65pp in Conference which is almost 10ppg higher than their non-conference level. This along with their poor-rebounding has prevented them from getting in transition and gapping teams on 12-2 or 20-6 runs that change games. I look for them to really rebound tonight and really test CLU's feet for 94 feet. They will be swarming the ball and active tonight, looking to show the last 5 games weren't how they really can play.

Offensively, I think CMS will get back to their non-conference style of pushing tempo, getting on the break and finding the open man in the half court. They have to run the motion with purpose the first 20 seconds of the clock rather than just wait for Blees to bail them out at the end of clock. With CLU's slow feet urge to physically get over screens, I expect CMS to get alot of curl cuts to the hoop where guards will have to make plays in the key. Also, expect them to test Van Klaveran's feet. I suspect they will play him on Blees, or possibly Maciera, but in either case there is a HUGE quickness advantage.

Maybe I am hopelessly optimistic, but I think CMS lays a beatdown on CLU - 76-52. 


ULV @ Redlands
Both of these teams have been a surprise this year, UR positive and ULV negative. If you had told me that one would be 4-2 and the other 2-4 in SCIAC thus far, I would have gotten the teams wrong. I think that is somewhat a testament to the coaching as well as the cohesion among the teammates. In any case, I still think ULV is up there with Whittier as the 2 most EXPLOSIVE teams in conference and with Woodland and Napolitano you really cannot count them out of any game.

Redlands has been more a win by committee team this year. With Kirk, Kuklock and Colston, they have a nice trio of players who can go for 20, but they also have Estrada and Call who can light it up. They really adapt to the team they play as opposed to imposing their pace and style on teams.

ULV will have a tough time with a ruckus Saturday night crowd at Currier and I think Redlands wins this game comfortably.

Redlands wins 74-65


PP @ Oxy
This will be an intriguing matchup. Oxy is having another down year, but always play PP tough at home. I'll be curious to see how the Tigers deal with Cohen and crew shooting the 3. As always, both teams defense is very stout and both coaches have been going after each other for 10+ years. I think the key to the game for Oxy will be how Jack Hanley plays. He is an All-SCIAC talent that has been struggling of late. If he can control the guard play and show why he was one of the most coveted SCIAC recruits a few years ago, I think Oxy has a chance to pull off the upset. McCoy and Montoya will bring it. Run the Sagehens off the 3pt line and force them to finish over 2-4 hands around the rim.

For Pomona if they play their game they should win relatively easily. While they may not strike anyone as overly talented when they step on the court, they really play well as a unit and collectively shoot the lights out. I expect more of the same from them. Somehow they seem to always bring it defensively as well. They never really force turnovers or make you uncomfortable, but are usually mistake free and rebound well. They stay in front, contest shots and force you to make tough shots and plays to win.

In an UPSET special, I think Hanley goes off this game and they win in a very close game - Oxy 58-54


Caltech @ Whittier
I hope Caltech brought their track shoes. This game could get ugly quick. If I had any advice, I would not even try to offensive rebound, check the point guard on transition and prevent Whittier from getting on the break. With regards to the Whittier press, take a 10 count over trying to make a crazy pass or save. This will at least slow the game down for them and allow them to set their defense.

Whittier in a blow out 87-53
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gromek on January 28, 2012, 11:43:37 PM
Nice call  Stag 44, you should go to Vegas.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: (509)Rat on January 29, 2012, 12:28:23 AM
Very "solid" game by Caltech. Definitely one of the better teams in D3, just had an off night (and the gym was hot). If the ball would have bounced their way just once or twice during this one we could be talking about another conference win. Shot 73% from the FT line which is really impressive.Got points from 9 different players (NINE!). Whittier wins a close one...106-51
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 29, 2012, 11:03:41 AM
Quote from: stag44 on January 28, 2012, 09:33:42 AM
PP @ Oxy
In an UPSET special, I think Hanley goes off this game and they win in a very close game - Oxy 58-54

Oxy 64 Pomona 56

Pomona only scored 15 points in the first half on 3-for-30 FGs. 10% shooting! Yikes! The Sagehens made 3 3-pointers and 6 FTs. Oxy did better than that and led 24-15 at halftime. The Tigers outscored Pomona 10-2 to start the second half and led 34-17 at 15:00. Pomona cut the lead to 7 with 2 minutes left, but Jack Hanley was 6-for-6 on FTs in the stretch, and Oxy got the win. The Tigers outrebounded the Sagehens 38-24.

Hanley led all scorers with 16, Deshun McCoy had 12, and Conrad Leibowitz scored 10 and had 10 rebs. Evan Zahniser scored 14 for Pomona.

With the loss Pomona drops into a second place tie with Whittier and Redlands behind Claremont.

Wednesday's schedule:

Claremont (17-1, 6-1) @ La Verne (5-13, 2-5)
Whittier (13-5, 5-2) @ Cal Lutheran (6-11, 2-5)
Oxy (8-10, 3-4) @ Redlands (10-8, 5-2)
Pomona (10-7, 5-2) @ Caltech (5-13, 0-7)

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on January 30, 2012, 04:44:31 PM
New Top 25 out - CMS back upto #12 in the nation.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etule on January 30, 2012, 05:06:59 PM
Oxy is going to have to score more point if they want to beat Redlands! I hope they do!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DoubleDomer on January 31, 2012, 04:09:10 PM
Are we sure that Stags didn't inflate their average ppg to get a boost in the rankings?  (Sorry. JUST KIDDING. Couldn't resist.)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on January 31, 2012, 04:17:14 PM
Quote from: DoubleDomer on January 31, 2012, 04:09:10 PM
Are we sure that Stags didn't inflate their average ppg to get a boost in the rankings?  (Sorry. JUST KIDDING. Couldn't resist.)
;D
+k  It looks like you need it.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etule on January 31, 2012, 06:02:25 PM
I'm pretty sure it's Chapmans fault! LOL
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on January 31, 2012, 07:10:10 PM
Back to the topic at hand:

The top half of the sciac plays the bottom half tomorrow....I'll go with the top half (Claremont, Whittier, Redlands and Pomona) as winners.

Fun tidbit: Caltech is now short 4 players that, at the beginning of the season, were anticipated to be in the rotation (Will Dooris, Marcus Lucas, Mason Friedman and Todd Cramer)...58 minutes averaged per game (out of 200 available)...throw in Elmquist graduating that's another 38 minutes per game to replace....not the best recipe for a successful season.

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 31, 2012, 11:16:18 PM
Quote from: WoostAr on January 31, 2012, 07:10:10 PM
Caltech is now short 4 players that, at the beginning of the season, were anticipated to be in the rotation

This is the first time in the history of college basketball that a team has sustained graduation, attrition, transfers, and injuries. Keep those excuses coming!

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 31, 2012, 11:22:51 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 31, 2012, 11:16:18 PM
Quote from: WoostAr on January 31, 2012, 07:10:10 PM
Caltech is now short 4 players that, at the beginning of the season, were anticipated to be in the rotation

This is the first time in the history of college basketball that a team has sustained graduation, attrition, transfers, and injuries. Keep those excuses coming!

OxyBob

You are really gonna pick on Caltech?  Really?  Caltech?!

Well, I s'pose if you're the first SCIAC team to lose to them in umpteen years, you gotta do something! ;D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: (509)Rat on February 01, 2012, 08:08:22 AM
Yeah OB,

there are some very good reasons as to why Caltech has slipped to #310 in the Massey ratings (breakfromcoaching's favorite source) and will continue to drop as the season comes to a close.

You forgot the best one though... "hot gym"  ???
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on February 01, 2012, 01:17:40 PM
CMS @ ULV
I'm excited to see/hear about this game. The last time these 2 met, CMS was tested and taken to OT before they pulled away in the extra session. It was a great battle between Blees from CMS and Woodland from ULV. They both matched each other shot for shot in the 2nd half. In the end CMS got the win but not before a hotly contested game where ULV saw they could compete with the Stags

In the rematch @ the SuperTent, I expect to see a physical game where both teams come with a renewed focus. The SuperTent is always an interesting place to play for opponents, and I think as a visitor, its important to get layups and shots where you are not affected by the new background. ULV will give the Stags various looks, but I see them playing a sagging man and focusing alot of attention on stopping Blees. On a side note- I expect every team to show 2-3 guys at Blees everytime he puts the ball on the ground - HE HAS TO BE A PASSER in the 2nd half and trust his teammates. I think that if he almost takes a conductor approach in the first half and gets Gaffney, Pinson, Maciera and Grodahl good shots and in a rhythm, teams will also be less hesitant to double him. He should aiming to get Triple-Doubles every game. With his teammates, and rebounding ability, this is a possibility every game.

For the rest of the Stags, I would like to see Maciera, Gaffney and Pinson be a little more assertive on offense. They need to be looking for their shots and not afraid of going away from Blees on a drive or shot. The team has done a better job the last couple games of doing this and must continue to do so. Blees should really look to be a screener as well in the motion. Teams will be less likely to help of him and he can spring guys for layups or flairs to open jumpers.

The other HUGE key for the rest of the year goes back to the basics - THEY HAVE TO REBOUND. In SCIAC they are a paltry +1 reb margin, while there were among the national leaders in the non-conference. They have to bring the physicality and guard rebounding back. Some of that comes back to their defense. They are allowing teams to shoot a higher percentage and thus there are fewer rebounds out there to get. Also offensively they haven't been crashing the glass as well as they were before. Some of it may be the fatigue of the long season and heavy minutes, but it has to rachet back up for the second half of SCIAC.

For ULV, they were very close having 2 more wins. I think they will be looking to play spoiler the 2nd half and maybe squeak in as the 4seed in the SCIAC tourney. They need more contributions away from Woodland and Napolitano. Both of them, though have been having All-SCIAC seasons and very difficult to guard. The other key will be to see how they make adjustments the 2nd time around. I'll be curious to see how Woodland handles early double teams to get the ball away from him as well as possible box-1 or triangle-2 looks that teams may throw at them.

In any case I think the stags make the short ride to the SuperTent and win tonight with relative ease. They will be +10 on the boards and assist on over 40% of their FGs.

Stags win 71-57


Whittier @ CLU
This is a potential trap game for Whittier. They have been playing really through conference, only losing to a tough PP team and @ Redlands in a shootout. CLU has started off SCIAC very slow at 2-5, but have played teams tough lately, coughing up a 2nd half lead to CMS on the road. The tough part of their road schedule has more or less played out, as the 2nd half only has games @PP , Oxy and CIT. At home they went 2-1 in the 1st half, losing to PP in the 1st game of conference. Rider always has his teams improve as the season goes along. Over the last 3 years in SCIAC 2nd half play, CLU has hone 18-3, with one of the losses coming at the buzzer to Whittier in 08-09.. This just shows Rider has made great adjustments and his teams improve the 2nd time around. Whittier has been 11-10 during the 2nd half of that same stretch.

Whittier just had an easy breeze vs Caltech and is probably feeling confident going into the 2nd half of conference tied 2nd and giving CMS their only loss on the year. They have more offensive firepower than anyone in the league and can really test you athletically. The ride out to CLU will be long, and I have a gut feeling they won't be ready to play vs an improved CLU.

I think CLU will control tempo, limit turnovers, and make this game a halfcourt physical slugfest. Van Klaveren, Walton, Nettles, and Harris will knock down timely shots and hunker down on defense. I could see them playing zone for the entire game and a sagging man to make Whittier a shooting team while going hard denial on Menez.

In my upset special, I think CLU wins this game 71-67



OXY @ Redlands
This should be a great game in Currier. Last time they met @ Oxy, Redlands shot the lights out from 3 (10-17) and got great bench production (29pts, 6-9 from 3) from Call and Estrada. Oxy had a tough game from the field and had very little bench help. Oxy has improved since this game and is riding momentum from a big win vs Oxy. I'm not sure they can win this game though. Redlands has shown they are tough at home and its not a tough ride out from Downtown. I think we'll get a hotly contested game, but Redlands, the crowd and atmosphere will be too much to overcome. I like Kirk and Estrada to have big games and for them to suffocate McCoy.

Redlands to win 65-54


PP @ CalTech
Pomona bounces back from their upset loss to Oxy with an easy win. Caltech may keep this close for the 1st half, but without Kramer its looking like an 0-14 season for them.

Pomona wins 68-47
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: greyskies on February 01, 2012, 08:18:23 PM
Thanks Stag44 for tonight's analysis, always much appreciated
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cmsme on February 01, 2012, 10:27:13 PM
I think this game with La Verne is very important for CMS. I hope that CMS can show what they have learned since the first time they met--when La Verne out rebounded and had more bench points. That is supposed to be CMS's MO. La Verne is an excellent team and I hope their luck changes (but not at Claremont's expense).
Every game seems to be a struggle.  I the SCIAC that good?
Anyway, very excited and am enjoying the posts--even the ones about CMS inflating the scores :P!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on February 02, 2012, 12:30:46 AM
CMS 80 ULV 60
Stags jumped out to an 18-0 lead and didn't look back. Outside of FTs and a couple defensive lapses, very strong showing from the stags. Big games from Blees (25 pts), Maciera (15pts) and Gaffney (15pts)

Whittier 81 CLU 46
For the 1st half of the game my upset special was still brewing as they went into the break tied at 24. The 2nd half Whittier just poured it on as CLU couldn't score and had 12 TOs.

Redlands 77 Oxy 55
Didn't really track this game but looks like Redlands just took control early and methodically beat up on Oxy. Making 13 3s and shooting over 54% from 3 is impressive

PP 55 CalTech 48
Great effort from Caltech. They were actually up 6 at the half. PP went on an 11-0 run at the start of the half, and then another 18-5 run to put the game out of reach. Valiant effort from Caltech
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on February 02, 2012, 11:14:07 AM
eyewitness report from Caltech:

The first half of this game saw the best team defense Caltech has played in a while.  The two runs in the second half were killer...they had it within six with that ball in the last 4 minutes of the game but just couldn't get all the way back.

Sets up an interesting match-up Saturday against Oxy.  Alumni night for Caltech...gym will be packed with possibilities of a pep band -- pretty sure Oxy fans remember what happened the last time they came into that sort of environment.  If Oxy doesn't get out early, I'd expect some nerves to take hold.  If Caltech's going to get one, this will probably be it.

No surprises in the other games...the top half easily disposed of the bottom half of the league.

Some exciting matchups this weekend: the top 4 in the league play each other...should be a couple great games!!

Redlands at Pomona Pitzer:  Pomona Pitzer will be looking to rebound from a subpar performance at Caltech, Redlands looking to stay hot, winners of 5 in a row.  Winner will end up 2nd or tied for first in the sciac.  I like Redlands in this game.

Whittier goes to CMS:  CMS lost at Whittier in the last game for their only loss of the season...this will be a tight and physical matchup.  a win for CMS gives them some breathing room atop the SCIAC...a loss would create a 3-way tie at the top of the league.  Lots at stake here.  CMS slight favorite playing at home.  Fun fact: When Whittier beat CMS earlier this year, it was the first time they'd beat them since 2007.

Finally La Verne's playing at Cal Lu: just doesn't seem to be La Verne's year...they seem to come up just a tad bit short in each of their games.  I have Cal Lu as a slight favorite at home.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 02, 2012, 02:59:47 PM
Quote from: stag44 on February 02, 2012, 12:30:46 AM
Redlands 77 Oxy 55
Didn't really track this game but looks like Redlands just took control early and methodically beat up on Oxy. Making 13 3s and shooting over 54% from 3 is impressive

That's a huge loss for Oxy. With a win the Tigers would have trailed UR by a game in the standings. Now they trail by 3 games with 6 to play and were swept by the Bulldogs. Barring a miracle comeback or epic collapse, Claremont, Whittier, Pomona, and Redlands will jockey for the 4 positions in the conference tournament.

Saturday's games:

La Verne (5-14, 2-6 SCIAC) @ Cal Lutheran (6-12, 2-6)
Redlands (11-8, 6-2) @ Pomona (11-7, 6-2)
Whittier (14-5, 6-2) @ Claremont (18-1, 7-1)
Oxy (7-11, 3-5) @ Caltech (5-14, 0-8)

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etule on February 02, 2012, 04:32:28 PM
I thought Oxy would be better this year! That being said Redlands is a very good team! Oxy gets Cal Tech ! No doubt!
I also like La Verne, Whittier and Redlands.  I think Claremont is going down this week! Whittier is going to have to bring their A game!
Fun slate of games!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on February 03, 2012, 01:22:00 AM
East coast bias! Arrrrghhhh! And by east coast I mean the midwest, since I live in California and everything east of Colorado is the east coast.

Except I don't anymore. Hi old friends from way over in DC. Good to see you still holding down the fort OxyBob. :)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on February 03, 2012, 04:19:44 PM
Great set of games tomorrow!!!

Whittier @ CMS

Rematch of the double OT thriller where Whittier handed CMS their only defeat of the year. Both teams are coming off great games. CMS blitzed ULV early and coasted to a 20pt win. Whittier came out of the game slow @CLU, then just absolutely ran over the Kingsmen in the 2nd half outscoring them 57-22 to win going away.

It's going to be a really interesting game to see how both teams react and adjust to their last matchup. Historically, Scali has been GREAT with adjustments the 2nd time around, up there with Katz and Rider in his preparation the 2nd time through. Carter has improved as well, and with the talent he has it will be interesting to see how they perform in hostile Ducey.

From watching the Whittier CLU game, I was impressed with how well Whittier shot the ball, how they attacked the rim and glass, and how aggressive they were in the press. They do shoot fast and if a player is open off 1 pass they jack up the shot and are not afraid to play fast. They run top of the key screen roll and have Menez come off down screen for 3 in some of their initial quick hitter action. Off that they can get Easterman or Preer on the block or popping out for 3. They are aggressive and are at their best when they score or have dead ball so they can set up their press. From the press, they invite guards to dribble up the sideline into a trap or speed them up to make poor decisions. They key to breaking the press will be ball fakes, and either drawing the defense back with the dribble or pass. Draw 2 and then dish to create an advantage off the press. You have to attack this press to get layups and force them to call the dogs off.

From CMS side, they have to maintain their composure and get a full team effort. I was so impressed with them vs La Verne. Tyler Gaffney should be an all-conference guard. It will be a tough year for him to get a look with all the other talent on the Stags and in conference, but through conference as the 3rd or 4th option he has been getting 10 5 and 3 on a regular basis. Maciera has also picked up the slack the last couple games finding spots to score. Blees has also started to play more off the ball coming off rip screens and flex cuts making his scoring easier and less laborious.

The key to the game for them will be to limit turnovers and gang rebound on the defensive end while slowing the ball in transition for 40 minutes. They have to play 94 feet and more with their brains than with their bodies. Whittier will try to speed them up and get this into a track meet, but to be honest the Stags will fare better with a game in the 60s. I expect to see some tougher defense on the ball and more physicality defending screens and on the boards.

I think that Ducey will be rocking tomorrow night. Its a big game and our fans should fill up the stands!

In a fun atmosphere I think CMS shows its class over Whittier at home 76-68

Quote from: WoostAr on February 02, 2012, 11:14:07 AM
Fun fact: When Whittier beat CMS earlier this year, it was the first time they'd beat them since 2007.

After the loss @ Whittier that year, CMS beat Whittier 64-38 at home in the rematch

Redlands @ P-P
In the other matchup of the top 4 teams, Redlands is playing arguably the best basketball in the SCIAC of late and PP is coming off an underwhelming performance vs Caltech.

PP is always a tough place to play, but I think Redlands is playing very well right now and has the right matchups to cause PP some problems. With that I think Redlands wins in my mini-upset of the weekend.

Redlands win 68-60

ULV @ CLU
Really no clue how to read this game. Both teams are coming off blowout losses. Both teams have been on the bad end of tough losses. Both teams are in a must must win situation to keep any hopes alive of a birth in the SCIAC playoff. I like CLU in this game at home. They looked good for a half vs Whittier and Van Klaveran is arguably the best player in SCIAC right now. Statistically he is leading the league in Pts and Rebs and top5 in mins played.

CLU wins 62-56

Oxy @ Caltech
In a VERY compelling matchup, Oxy returns to Caltech for the first time since their loss at the end of last season. I think Oxy comes out and blasts Tech. Almost every player who contributes for Oxy was a part of the team that lost last year and I think they will come out aggressive and ready to go. They should bury them early and pour it on late.

Oxy wins 76-45
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cmsme on February 03, 2012, 09:16:17 PM
Stag44, I agree with your predictions except I think La Verne beats Cal Lu. La Verne seems like a really talented team with bad luck or some momentary lapses. When La Verne played CMS, the coach pulled his starters out for 11 minutes (I think because he was pissed). When he put them back in, CMS had an 18 point lead. That 18 point difference stayed pretty constant the rest of the game.
So either CMS players were mentally reluctant to run the score up against La Verne. Or (I think) La Verne is very comparable with CMS--they are just missing some minor ingredient.
Looking forward to the Whittier game!

And thank you to the CMS video people.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on February 03, 2012, 10:57:24 PM
I agree that ULV is a better team than the record shows. Yes, they do have lapses almost every game. Probably from the lack of playing together enough. If they could put it together for an entire game, they would be a team to recon with. CU played them 3 times (2 scheduled games, and one in the Redlands Tourney) and I was impressed each time.

Whitier has been my suprise team this year....they really can run a streak when needed. I am sad that they refused to play Chapman this year......sort of like an OXY the past few years.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cmsme on February 04, 2012, 03:02:47 PM
Which is why I think the Claremont coach should get a lot of credit. He had some talented players (two two time POY)that had very little experience together and he has made them into a team.
And I am impressed with Mani who has been out of school for 4 years and is able to come back, finish his degree and be so good. Same with Chris Blees--he came back from a year off and is as strong as ever. I no longer cringe when i watch him play. et cetera for all the players!
So the coach had all these pieces and he was able to form a ball that bounces. 
Good Luck tonight against Whittier!  :)                                                                       
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etule on February 04, 2012, 07:24:18 PM
CMS Whitter could be a barn burner!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on February 05, 2012, 12:07:26 AM
WOW!!! CMS wins by 1 65-64. Whittier missed a 4ft bunny to win it at the end of regulation. Great game.


CMS was flat to start down 8-0 and 21-10, battled back to go down 2 at half 35-33. CMS then took the lead in the middle of the 2nd half getting it to 56-50. After that though game was hotly contested as CMS escapes at home with a big win to give them some breathing room going into the last 5 games of conference!

PP beats Redlands

CLU beats ULV

Oxy beats Caltech

Standings, 5 games togo

CMS 8-1
PP 7-2
Whittier 6-3
Redlands 6-3
Oxy 4-5
CLU 3-6
ULV 2-7
Caltech 0-8
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on February 05, 2012, 01:34:39 AM
Well I haven't been to a game with this kind of electric atmosphere since Wooster/Wittenberg (disclaimer: haven't been to a pp/cms matchup)

Caltech had the stands packed to start this game (it was alumni night) it drew a large (and rowdy) crowd.  Caltech got off to a great start, held a 6 point lead and then the bus full of Oxy baseball and football players descended on Braun gymnasium.  There was no room in the stands for them, so they stood behind the Oxy bench which gave the whole crowd views of their signs reading "Never Again" and "Math Sucks".  The energy they brought into the building spurred oxy to a 20-4 run to close the half.  Clearly, this caught Caltech off-guard, but they regrouped at half and came clambering back into the game. 

Caltech had no answer for Liebowitz down low 13 points 8 rebounds, except to get him into foul trouble -- fouled out with 7 minutes to go.  Once he went out, the tigers tried to rely on Hanley, but he was not too effective tonight (2/9 from the field). Caltech cut the lead to 8 and had a few chances to get closer, but simply ran out of time.

Alex Runkle played with an intensity that I have never seen out of him...great game 16 points, 16 rebounds on 6/7 shooting. 

Caltech's also had a downright awful night from the charity stripe (11/22) and many of those were the front ends of 1 and 1s....lost opportunity for sure. 

One thing's for sure...this is turning out to be a fun rivalry to watch....I haven't had this much fun watching a basketball game in a long time.  The fans were all cordial with each other at the end and it was an all around fun evening. 

At the end of the game, Newhall called a time out with 10 seconds left and told his team to say thank you to the fans behind their bench.....guess he noticed the 20-4 run too.

All that said, would love to see a tape of that CMS game.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 05, 2012, 02:13:51 PM
Oxy 62 Caltech 54

Quote from: WoostAr on February 05, 2012, 01:34:39 AM
Well I haven't been to a game with this kind of electric atmosphere since Wooster/Wittenberg

The Caltech game recap didn't share your enthusiasm.

http://www.gocaltech.com/sports/mbkb/2011-12/releases/20120205szclg4

Quote from: WoostAr on February 05, 2012, 01:34:39 AM
Alex Runkle Runkel played with an intensity that I have never seen out of him

For Oxy, Deshun McCoy scored 15 and 7 rebs for the Tigers, and Conrad Liebowitz had 13 pts and 8 rebs.

Oxy's very faint conference tournament hopes are on the line this Wednesday. The Tigers are home to La Verne and must win that game, and hope for a Redlands victory over Whittier to keep their chances alive.

Wednesday's games...

La Verne (5-15, 2-7 SCIAC) @ Oxy (8-11, 4-5)
Redlands (11-9, 6-3) @ Whittier (14-6, 6-3)
Caltech (5-15, 0-9) @ Claremont (19-1, 8-1)
Cal Lutheran (7-12, 3-6) @ Pomona (12-7, 7-2)

Getting ahead of myself, Claremont's in great shape to get the No. 1 seed in the conference tournament. They have a gimme win this Wednesday. If things play out to form, Pomona or Whittier will finish 2nd. Right now Redlands looks like they'll be the 4th seed.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 05, 2012, 02:58:41 PM
Quote from: WoostAr on February 05, 2012, 01:34:39 AMCaltech got off to a great start, held a 6 point lead and then the bus full of Oxy baseball and football players descended on Braun gymnasium.  There was no room in the stands for them, so they stood behind the Oxy bench which gave the whole crowd views of their signs reading "Never Again" and "Math Sucks".

That last one made me laugh out loud.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on February 05, 2012, 03:38:04 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 05, 2012, 02:58:41 PM
Quote from: WoostAr on February 05, 2012, 01:34:39 AMCaltech got off to a great start, held a 6 point lead and then the bus full of Oxy baseball and football players descended on Braun gymnasium.  There was no room in the stands for them, so they stood behind the Oxy bench which gave the whole crowd views of their signs reading "Never Again" and "Math Sucks".

That last one made me laugh out loud.
Obviously an English major. :-[
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 05, 2012, 03:48:06 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on February 05, 2012, 03:38:04 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 05, 2012, 02:58:41 PM
Quote from: WoostAr on February 05, 2012, 01:34:39 AMCaltech got off to a great start, held a 6 point lead and then the bus full of Oxy baseball and football players descended on Braun gymnasium.  There was no room in the stands for them, so they stood behind the Oxy bench which gave the whole crowd views of their signs reading "Never Again" and "Math Sucks".

That last one made me laugh out loud.
Obviously an English major. :-[

Actually, I was. But I just love the simple, pungent, borderline-non-sequitur message, "Math Sucks", and the idea that some Oxy student had the idea of putting it on a sign and bringing it to a basketball game, of all places, as a very subtle putdown of Caltech students.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on February 05, 2012, 04:11:45 PM
Greg,
I was talking about the student and not you.  But an English major, such as yourself, would think like that.  College students have such fun at these games.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on February 05, 2012, 04:26:30 PM
And now, back to the CCIW.

Gray Fox: plus K to you.

First we have Big Poppa on the Baseball Boards, now Gregory.

I loved it when OXY brought their teams and drum group to Chapman last year for the Women's regional basketball tourney.
SCIAC student fan participation is growing each year.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on February 06, 2012, 12:56:00 AM
oxybob,

I think you read the wrong release

http://www.oxyathletics.com/sports/mbkb/2011-12/releases/2012020535ffnu

"The game ball goes to our baseball team," Occidental coach Brian Newhall said. "Their school spirit, enthusiasm and passion were the reasons we left with a win. No baseball team, no win. No doubt in my mind."

I do stand corrected, I thought there were football players as well.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 06, 2012, 12:01:37 PM
Quote from: dahlby on February 05, 2012, 04:26:30 PM
And now, back to the CCIW.

Gray Fox: plus K to you.

First we have Big Poppa on the Baseball Boards, now Gregory.

Uh, dahlby, this isn't a members-only club. You don't need to follow a particular team within a league to post something on that league's board. As a Chapman fan, you, of all people, should know that.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 06, 2012, 01:24:16 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 06, 2012, 12:01:37 PM
Uh, dahlby, this isn't a members-only club. You don't need to follow a particular team within a league to post something on that league's board. As a Chapman fan, you, of all people, should know that.

Apparently you're not aware of dahlby's status on this message board.

Quote from: OxyBob on November 24, 2011, 09:04:59 AM
dahlby, heartiest congratulations on your recent appointment as the SCIAC message board hall monitor!

http://www.imdb.com/video/screenplay/vi1891631385

Chapman? Is Chapman still around? Easily the most completely irrelevant team in all of D-III.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on February 06, 2012, 02:09:07 PM
Gregory, my comment was in reference to Gray Fox's posting responding to yours regarding the Oxy baseball team. I thought that it was great that Oxy's baseball team cheered on their basketball counterparts, hats off to their student athletes.
I wonder what OxyBob's comment would have been if the baseball team had not shown up and if CalTech had won. Maybe he would have gone into hiding again.

OxyBob: Are you still upset that CU is now a part of the SCIAC? I won't respond to your comment regarding irrelevance....I don't attack other teams....it is not good sportsmanship. Now, other team's posters.................

PS, we do have a few midwest posters that find it hard to acknowledge the strength of several SCIAC baseball programs....maybe a little homework is in order.

Cheers to one and all.

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 06, 2012, 05:33:26 PM
Quote from: dahlby on February 06, 2012, 02:09:07 PM
CalTech

Quote from: OxyBob on November 24, 2011, 09:04:59 AM
QuoteI suggest you check out the Cal Tech web site.

P.S. It's Caltech, not Cal Tech.

It's Caltech not CalTech. Keep practicing, you'll get it eventually.

Quote from: dahlby on February 06, 2012, 02:09:07 PM
I wonder what OxyBob's comment would have been if the baseball team had not shown up and if CalTech had won. Maybe he would have gone into hiding again.

Yeah, I really went into hiding:

http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=1144.msg1301518#msg1301518

Wrong yet again.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on February 08, 2012, 08:43:33 AM
Lets have a look at tonight's SCIAC matchups:

CalTech @ CMS
Coming off a nail-biting win where, in my opinion, CMS stole a win from Whittier, CMS gets to take on an improving CalTech team. They have actually been competitive vs PP and Oxy the last two game. I think this is a testament to their coach who has made the necessary adjustments vs teams in the 2nd half of league. He and the players must have studied and watched film of their first round matchups with the teams and improved how they attack them.

That being said, I think CMS will be ready for this matchup even if they have a daunting 3 game road-stretch and finale vs PP that would make it easy to overlook CalTech. While it is an important game, I see Scali giving his main guys a little more rest. Blees has played 34+ minutes every game in SCIAC minus opening game vs Caltech. Most of the other starters are also logging 30+ minutes as well. It might be well served to get Mivshek, Grodahl, Sullivan, and Donnelly some quality minutes in real game time. The Stags bench was a HUGE asset during the non-conference schedule where subs often increased the leads and further wore down teams. It seems to me that while Grodahl has really shined in conference and has become a knock down shooter, they need some more from Mivshek and Donnelly. Mivshek needs to remain aggressive on offense and attack the rim. He's asked to come in off the bench and pressure the ball and create offense for the the 2nd unit getting to the rim and drawing defenders to his penetration.

I really want the Stags to impose themselves defensively. They haven't had a signature Scali defensive game in SCIAC yet.

Should be an easy-ish win for the Stags, but I have been impressed with CalTech's resilience so far in the 2nd half of conference. Alex Runkel had an impressive 16 and 16 vs Oxy and Edwards is a very capable scorer.

CMS beats Caltech 73-48


Redlands @ Whittier
This is the game of the night. Both teams are 6-3 coming of tough road defeats to PP and CMS respectively. To a certain extent they are jockeying for SCIAC playoff positioning. The winner here almost lock a spot in the playoffs, while the loser may have to sweat it out over the last 4 games. In their last matchup, they had an NBA type score with Redlands winning at home 103-91. The interesting thing about both these teams is that they both score by committee. In their last matchup, 10 players scored in double figures and no one scored over 21 pts. To beat either team you have to play strong TEAM defense as well as INDIVIDUAL defense. Whittier is exceptionally good at creating isolations on what they believe are mismatches. Against the Stags, they ran the same set at least 8 times that got Easterman the ball on the right elbow with a shooter pitched on his strong side corner and let him operate vs Maciera or Sullivan. It was the same set they ran on the last possession when he missed the game winner. I have yet to see Redlands play, but it seems like on any night they have a different leading scorer and are unselfish with the ball.

I give the edge to Whittier as they have the experience and home court.

Whittier wins a barnburner 98-93

CLU @ PP
This will be an interesting matchup. It pits physicality against finesse and shooting. At the same time, both teams like playing at a slower pace, and I assume this will be no different. CLU will rely heavily on Van Klaveren, Nettles, and Harris to provide scoring. PP will get its scoring from Cohen and Klukas, but also have a more balanced approach.

Aside from their disappointing 3-6 SCIAC record, Aaron Van Klaveran is putting up SCIAC POY type numbers. His production has actually increased in conference where he is averaging 17.4ppg and 12.9rpg, shooting 64% from the field. These are number that I'm not sure have every been had through 9 SCIAC games.

Both teams are scoring and giving up around 60ppg. I expect this game to be played in a similar manner.

PP wins at home and remains in 2nd place alone 61-54

ULV @ Oxy
This is a must win for Oxy to remain relevant in playoff race. If they lose this game and go to 4-6, if gives the top 4 teams some breathing room and makes it even more difficult for them to sneak into 4th. By winning they go 5-5 and will just be 1 game out of 4th. They do arguably have the most difficult stretch in though with games @Whittier, @PP and vs CMS.

ULV gets the chance to play spoiler. At 2-7 they are essentially knocked out of contention, but have the opportunity to affect the SCIAC race.

I really have no clue in this game, but am going with Oxy winning at home 68-61, making the SCIAC race interesting.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 08, 2012, 10:32:13 AM
Quote from: stag44 on February 08, 2012, 08:43:33 AM
ULV @ Oxy
This is a must win for Oxy to remain relevant in playoff race.

Oxy has to win and root for Redlands to beat Whittier. UR already swept Oxy, so the Tigers can't get into the conference tournament if they end up tied with the Bulldogs. If Oxy beats ULV and Redlands beats Whittier, then Oxy will have a chance to tie Whittier when they play the Poets on the 11th.

In the first game between Oxy and ULV, the Tigers won 69-67 in OT on Jake Copithorne's layup with 2 secs to go.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cmsme on February 08, 2012, 08:00:21 PM
So the rankings are out, and CMS is ranked 5th in one of the 8 regions--which doesn't seem very favorable to me.
Actually, I don't understand these rankings. The top ranked team in the West region is UW River Falls, which is ranked #25 on d3hoops. Then the 2nd and 3rd ranked teams in the West region are also UW teams that are ranked #12 and #4 on d3hoops. Why is the NCAA rankings so different from d3hoops?
Who are the NCAA people who do these rankings? Why do they have weekly rankings? do they want to throw something out there and then see what people's reactions are?
???
And, regarding the CMS Whittier game, there is a video (if anyone is interested) of the last Whittier basket where the ball bounced very slowly 3 times on the rim and then rolled off as the buzzer sounded. It was as if God wanted CMS to win. :)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 08, 2012, 09:11:19 PM
cmsme, the selection (and regional ranking) criteria are spelled out in FAQ on d3hoops.com.  They are almost totally objective criteria (decided by d3 member institutions, not selection committees), leaving the committees very little subjective decision room (probably only in deciding how to weight the criteria in cases of close calls).  The poll is NOT a selection criterion.

Since the UW schools still have games remaining against each other, you may pass one or more of them.  But the best advice (as always) is "Win the AQ and don't leave any selection committee doubts!"
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cmsme on February 08, 2012, 09:57:49 PM
Mr. Yipsi--thank you for your response. I still have some questions:

Aren't the rankings still important, even if we win the AQ because that will determine who and where we play? Aren't the rankings somewhat equivalent to seedings? e.g. it is better to be #1 than #8?

and, when i look at the other regions' rankings, 3 out of the 8 regions have unranked teams as their #1 team. With the West region's #1 team being ranked #25 on d3hooops, this means that almost HALF of the ncaa #1 teams are unranked on d3hoops.
I understand that the methods are differenct. ncaa uses a formula and d3hoops uses people's opinion but the statistics are the same.
The two rankings are so different that either I am misunderstanding something or something is off.

For the West Region:
ncaa raning     d3hoops ranking
1                  25
2                  12
3                   4
4                   9
5                  11
6                  unranked
7                  unranked
8                  unranked
9                  unranked


thank you.

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 08, 2012, 10:33:29 PM
Yes, presumably the rankings are relevant for seeding purposes (though the national committee has sometimes rather laughably insisted that there are no seedings!). 

And, yes, the stats are the same, except the criteria use only limited stats (such things as margin of victory, 'bad losses', etc. are totally irrelevant).  Poll voters use those 'irrelevant stats' as well as the 'eye test'.  Although it is obviously subject to abuse, I personally wish the ranking/selection committees had a bit MORE leeway for subjective decisions.

Of course, as OxyBob and others will remind you, being on the 'left coast' d3 island, the 'flight averse' bean counters will have you pitted against Whitworth in the first or second round regardless of seedings. :P
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 09, 2012, 05:11:45 AM
Quote from: cmsme on February 08, 2012, 09:57:49 PM
Aren't the rankings still important, even if we win the AQ because that will determine who and where we play?

Look, don't rack your brain or worry your pretty little head about AQs and regional rankings. If CMS wins the SCIAC tournament, then the Stags (Pool A) will play their first round playoff game at Whitworth (Pool A). If they don't win the SCIAC tournament then CMS (Pool C) will play their first round playoff game at whoever wins the SCIAC tournament (Pool A), and if Claremont wins that game then they'll play their second round game at Whitworth, which will have had a first round bye.

There, that was easy.

Last night's scores:

Oxy 65, La Verne 58 -- OC: Hanley 20, McCoy 16 pts and 12 rebs, Montoya 11. ULV: Napolitano 16, Woodland 13, Bastos 11

Whittier 94, Redlands 91 -- WC: Easterman 28, Preer 22, Menez 13. UR: Estrada 21, Calhoun 15, Colston 14, Kirk 11, Brensdal 10, Kuklok 10

Claremont 93, Caltech 62 -- CMS: Maceira 15, Anderson 13, Donnelly 13, Blees 12. CIT: Joel 14, Wang 13, Paluchniak 10

Cal Lutheran 47, Pomona 46 -- CLU: Van Klaveren 12 pts and 15 rebs. PP: Zahniser 13

Saturday's schedule:

Cal Lutheran (8-12, 4-6 SCIAC) @ Caltech (5-16, 0-10)
Oxy (9-11, 5-5) @ Whittier (15-6, 7-3)
Claremont (20-1, 9-1) @ Redlands (11-10, 6-4)
Pomona (12-8, 7-3) @ La Verne (5-16, 2-8)

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: (509)Rat on February 09, 2012, 08:10:56 AM
Do you know what being ranked #1 in the regional rankings (and the country) gets you when you are way out west? A trip to Ohio for the 3rd and 4th rounds...

As long as both teams take care of business don't be shocked when you see CMS being sent to Spokane or both teams sent to a 4 team pod in Wisconsin somewhere.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on February 09, 2012, 11:10:48 AM
Quote from: (509)Rat on February 09, 2012, 08:10:56 AM
Do you know what being ranked #1 in the regional rankings (and the country) gets you when you are way out west? A trip to Ohio for the 3rd and 4th rounds...

As long as both teams take care of business don't be shocked when you see CMS being sent to Spokane or both teams sent to a 4 team pod in Wisconsin somewhere.

Would be nice to see CMS squeak ahead of Whitworth in the regional rankings so they can host the game. Both venues provide HUGE home court advantages. The Fieldhouse in Spokane was one of the best college venues I have seen and the entire atmosphere of student section and community was incredible. CMS provides a similar advantage to the Stags as Ducey Gym is a small, extremely warm, and intimate setting for teams to play in.

In any case, it would be nice to see them both shipped to Wisconsin or Minnesota for a 4-team Pod where they have the opportunity to play against someone else. This is all far away though as all teams involved have at least 5 more games with potentially more.

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cmsme on February 09, 2012, 11:27:14 AM
I am so confused about these rankings that I looked up Wisconsin on the US map--and it is not in the West--despite the fact that the top 3 teams in the Western Region are in Wisconsin.
In fact, Wisconsin doesn't even look like it is in the western half of the US. The whole things is so absurd my head is going to explode.  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
And I would really prefer not to go to Spokane.  REmember Stag44 when you were a senior and the team plane got delayed for hours and your parents were trying to drive thru the snow and mountains and almost missed the game?
And Oxy Bob--I always laugh at your comments but I do try to avoid being a target.

And on another note, I watched the end of the Redlands/Whittier and Pomona/Cal Lu games!!! So freaking exciting. All the SCIAC teams are amazing this year.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on February 09, 2012, 11:40:45 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 09, 2012, 05:11:45 AM

Last night's scores:

Oxy 65, La Verne 58 -- OC: Hanley 20, McCoy 16 pts and 12 rebs, Montoya 11. ULV: Napolitano 16, Woodland 13, Bastos 11

Whittier 94, Redlands 91 -- WC: Easterman 28, Preer 22, Menez 13. UR: Estrada 21, Calhoun 15, Colston 14, Kirk 11, Brensdal 10, Kuklok 10

Claremont 93, Caltech 62 -- CMS: Maceira 15, Anderson 13, Donnelly 13, Blees 12. CIT: Joel 14, Wang 13, Paluchniak 10

Cal Lutheran 47, Pomona 46 -- CLU: Van Klaveren 12 pts and 15 rebs. PP: Zahniser 13

OxyBob

As expected, CMS took care of business. Nice to see that no one played more than 25 minutes and 6 players had between 9 and 13 points while 11 players scored in total.

In a real shocker, CLU defeated PP last night on the road. thats a BIG loss for the Sagehens in the SCIAC race and give the Stags a little bit of breathing room.

Whittier came storming back from 10 down with 5:30 to go to win. Looks like it was a very exciting finish with Redlands tying the game with 30 seconds left on a 3 and then whittier making FTs to with down the stretch.

Oxy winning last night also propels them into a conversation. They are 5-5, winners of 3 straight, but have a very difficult stretch coming in with CMS, PP and Whittier still on the schedule. If they can some how finish 3-1 it will make things very interesting.

Updated SCIAC Standings

CMS      9-1
PP        7-3
Whitter  7-3
Redlands 6-4
Oxy        5-5
CLU        4-6
ULV       2-8
Caltech  0-10
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on February 09, 2012, 11:44:18 AM
Quote from: cmsme on February 09, 2012, 11:27:14 AM
And I would really prefer not to go to Spokane.  REmember Stag44 when you were a senior and the team plane got delayed for hours and your parents were trying to drive thru the snow and mountains and almost missed the game?


Oh trust me I remember it very vividly. They deserved the home-bid that year though. It was a great game for the 1st half, but they really wore us down and outplayed and outexecuted us on the offensive end. Nakamura tore up the court and really frustrated Toney that game.

It would be a very interesting match up though. Whitworth presents alot of problems on the offensive end. Friedt is a big time post, Idrissi Gebbers and Loofborrow provide a good scoring trio from the perimeter. Would be curious to see how the Stags would try and attack them as well.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etule on February 09, 2012, 12:04:10 PM
Great win for Oxy! Go Tigers. Whittier in shoot out. I think both of those teams are dangerous!
Hanley has a great game!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 09, 2012, 02:34:24 PM
Quote from: stag44 on February 09, 2012, 11:40:45 AM
Oxy winning last night also propels them into a conversation. They are 5-5, winners of 3 straight, but have a very difficult stretch coming in with CMS, PP and Whittier still on the schedule. If they can some how finish 3-1 it will make things very interesting.

It's going to be a long shot for Oxy to make the conference tournament. In addition to Whittier, Claremont, and Pomona, Oxy also has to play Cal Lutheran, to whom they already lost. Oxy has to keep winning and hope for some help from La Verne, which has Pomona at home this Saturday. Oxy has a challenge deluxe on Saturday in the GAC against Whittier. The Poets easily brushed off the Tigers 65-46 when they played at Oxy on Jan. 14. Oxy would have to pass Redlands in the standings because the Bulldogs have the tiebreaker with the Tigers. Unless Redlands completely collapses, that probably isn't going to happen.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hoopsallthetime on February 09, 2012, 05:34:27 PM
Coach Ken Scalmanini will be on Hoopsville tonight at 6:30pm to discuss this year teams success. If you are interested in hearing his take on the 11 ranked CMS Stags and how he feels about the upcoming schedule please listen tonight!!!!

****Click on http://d3hoops.com/hoopsville/index (http://d3hoops.com/hoopsville/index)

Hoopsville is tonight from 8-10 PM EST. You can also follow @d3hoopsville on Twitter to get all the updates!

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cmsme on February 09, 2012, 11:54:06 PM
CMS coach did great on hoopsville. He is the last coach interviewed during the 2 hour talk. They archive the talks on d3hoops.com.

(I think we need more yellow heads.  It is somtimes difficult to find a head that expresses my emotions.)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 10, 2012, 12:26:00 AM
Quote from: cmsme on February 09, 2012, 11:27:14 AM
I am so confused about these rankings that I looked up Wisconsin on the US map--and it is not in the West--despite the fact that the top 3 teams in the Western Region are in Wisconsin.
In fact, Wisconsin doesn't even look like it is in the western half of the US. The whole things is so absurd my head is going to explode.

Well, there is only one Division III school in the entirety of the Mountain Time Zone, so a list of the 50-some westernmost schools in Division III extends to Wisconsin, yes.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cmsme on February 10, 2012, 10:20:28 AM
wow. I had no idea there were so few D3 schools in the western half of the US.
Maybe we went the junior college route instead of D3 size school.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on February 10, 2012, 06:49:02 PM
Quote from: cmsme on February 08, 2012, 09:57:49 PM
The two rankings are so different that either I am misunderstanding something or something is off.
YES
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on February 10, 2012, 07:51:12 PM
It does make you wonder why CMS used up their road trip playing out of region games against teams that don't make an impression.  They did play St. Olaf and win (3rd in the MIAC behind St Thomas and Gustavus), but just think if they had flown to Wisconsin to play two of the UW teams or Minnesota and played some of the MIAC teams (St. Thomas was actually out here and played two of the SCIAC schools) or up to Seattle for Whitworth.  It would have been good practice for the tournament anyways.


Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: (509)Rat on February 11, 2012, 12:13:30 AM
Why would Whitworth play CMS in Seattle?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 11, 2012, 11:11:14 AM
Quote from: (509)Rat on February 11, 2012, 12:13:30 AM
Why would Whitworth play CMS in Seattle?

Whitworth played Calvin in the Seattle area.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on February 11, 2012, 12:22:02 PM
My mistake....Spokane....point still stands though. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: (509)Rat on February 11, 2012, 12:44:53 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 11, 2012, 11:11:14 AM
Quote from: (509)Rat on February 11, 2012, 12:13:30 AM
Why would Whitworth play CMS in Seattle?

Whitworth played Calvin in the Seattle area.

In a once in a blue moon type of game. It's not like a big DI program who can have a neutral site game and make money. Whitworth undoubtedly lost money having the game at Mercer Island HS. It was just a nice thing to do for Coach Logie and his family/friends during his first year as HC.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on February 11, 2012, 08:16:58 PM
Rat.

The point is that if they had played that team (wherever....Timbuktu even) it would have been a regional game which would have helped in terms of experience and in terms of regional rankings.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 11, 2012, 08:57:15 PM
Quote from: (509)Rat on February 11, 2012, 12:44:53 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 11, 2012, 11:11:14 AM
Quote from: (509)Rat on February 11, 2012, 12:13:30 AM
Why would Whitworth play CMS in Seattle?

Whitworth played Calvin in the Seattle area.

In a once in a blue moon type of game. It's not like a big DI program who can have a neutral site game and make money. Whitworth undoubtedly lost money having the game at Mercer Island HS. It was just a nice thing to do for Coach Logie and his family/friends during his first year as HC.

My point being it's not unprecedented.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on February 11, 2012, 09:28:18 PM
Quick predictions for games tonight:

CMS @ Redlands
Big game for both teams. Stags could inch closer to getting the 1seed for the SCIAC tourney while Redlands is coming off a tough loss and needs the win to solidify their top-4 status. Stags starting a crucial 3 consecutive games road at the always rowdy Currier Gym.

Stags win behind big games from Blees and Gaffney, 72-64


Oxy @ Whittier
Big game for both teams. For Whittier need the win to stay in contention for the top SCIAC seed. Oxy needs this to continue keeping pressure on the top-4.

In a tough game, Whittier wins 75-62


PP @ ULV
PP needs to rebound after upset loss to CLU on Wed. On the other side, ULV just can play spoiler at home. Look for PP to win this one easily.

PP wins 72-61


CLU @ Caltech
CLU still chugging along and hoping for some help to back door into the top4. Caltech looking to get a big upset win. Think this will be an easy win for CLU

CLU wins 66-42
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: (509)Rat on February 11, 2012, 11:56:25 PM
WoostAr,

I understood your point, just wanted to see if you thought Whitworth was in Seattle or if you genuinely wanted a neutral site game. Just curious.

My response was more to PC who was just being a smart a** with the Calvin post
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cmsme on February 12, 2012, 12:48:53 AM
2-11-12 CMS beat REdlands 75 - 65.
Cms made 78% of their free throws--31 points :) Manni was 16-16 and Chris Blees was 10 - 15!
Tristan Kirk did not play for Redlands. It looked like he got hurt at end of previous game with Whittier. Maybe he is still out because of that.

I could not see the game very well on my little screen, but I thought CMS looked akward and not very confident the first half. They didn't seem to move the ball around the way they normally do. Did anyone else watch the game?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CMSfan on February 12, 2012, 01:56:41 AM
Quote from: cmsme on February 12, 2012, 12:48:53 AM
Did anyone else watch the game?

Yeah, I made the drive out for the game.  I thought CMS played well, minus a few stretches when they would turn the ball over and Redlands would take advantage to go on little runs.  CMS played really well on defense and Redlands did not look comfortable all night.  They made a lot of tough shots to stay in the game, but with CMS hitting their free throws the outcome was never really in doubt.  Nice start to the road swing for the Stags!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 12, 2012, 10:42:28 AM
Quote from: stag44 on February 11, 2012, 09:28:18 PM
Oxy @ Whittier
Big game for both teams. For Whittier need the win to stay in contention for the top SCIAC seed. Oxy needs this to continue keeping pressure on the top-4.

Oxy's dimming playoff hopes got even dimmer, as the Tigers lost to Whittier, 78-73. WC: Menez 21, Easterman 19, Johnson 12, Preer 10. OC: Hanley 27 (10-14 FG, 4-5 3FG, 3-4 FT), Montoya 18, McCoy 10.

To make the 4-team conference tournament, the Tigers (5-6 SCIAC) must win their last three games against Pomona, Claremont, and CLU, and either Redlands (6-5) must lose 2 of its last 3 games, or Pomona (8-3) must lose its last three games. Oxy has Pomona next at Rains Center. The Tigers beat the Sagehens 64-56 on Jan. 28.

Other scores from last night:

Claremont 75, Redlands 65
Pomona 74, La Verne 63
Cal Lutheran 54, Caltech 49

Wednesday's schedule:

Claremont (21-1, 10-1) @ Cal Lutheran (9-12, 5-6)
Redlands (11-11, 6-5) @ La Verne (5-17, 2-9)
Oxy (9-12, 5-6) @ Pomona (13-8, 8-3)
Whittier (16-6, 8-3) @ Caltech (5-17, 0-11)

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BBallJunkie81 on February 14, 2012, 01:35:27 PM
Claremont (21-1, 10-1) @ Cal Lutheran (9-12, 5-6)

CLU had a subpar game against Caltech, but probably had their best two games against La Verne and Pomona.  Van Klaveren should be in the running for conference MVP leading the league with 11.5 rpg and 5th in scoring at 16.3 ppg.  Beating CMS will be a tough task, he'll need plenty of help from Nettles and Harris.  CMS is on a roll and I don't see anybody who will stop them.  I would be surprised if Blees, Maceira, Gaffaney, and company don't run the table through the SCIAC playoffs.  CLU will put up a good fight, but CMS is too strong and will prevail.

CMS 73 CLU 59


Redlands (11-11, 6-5) @ La Verne (5-17, 2-9)

IMO, Redlands has been a slight disappointment this year.  At the beginning of the season, I thought they were going to be the strongest challenger to CMS. They are coming off three straight tough losses to Pomona, Whittier and CMS.  They should regroup and win out although I wouldn't take La Verne or CLU lightly; both have what it takes to pull off an upset.  Woodland and Napolitano will have to step up and get some help if they are to pull this one off.  Redlands has to win out and hope Pomona struggles to avoid being the 4th seed who'll play CMS in first playoff game.

Redlands 70 La Verne 64


Oxy (9-12, 5-6) @ Pomona (13-8, 8-3)

Best game of the night.  Oxy has 4 strong players in McCoy, Hanley, Liebowitz and Montoya.  I expected Oxy to be one of the top 4 teams this year.  Pomona has been a surprise.  They were not competitive last year, lost their top scorer, and here they are tied for second in the conference due to strong performances from freshman and sophomores.  Having said that, Pomona has been struggling ever since losing to Oxy in Pasadena.  Oxy dominated them with Hanley and McCoy.  If Pomona loses this one, they will probably lose out but still back into the playoffs due to Oxy and CLU losing to CMS.  Reward...first round loss to CMS.  I am not sure this is an upset given their first game, but I am going with Oxy on this one.

Oxy 66 Pomona 59


Whittier (16-6, 8-3) @ Caltech (5-17, 0-11)

Whittier is playing great basketball right now and licking their chops to get revenge on Pomona on Saturday.  Too much pace for CalTech as Whittier jumps out to a large lead and maintains it.

Whittier 91  CalTech 59
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 14, 2012, 02:11:30 PM
Quote from: BBallJunkie81 on February 14, 2012, 01:35:27 PM
Having said that, Pomona has been struggling ever since losing to Oxy in Pasadena Eagle Rock.

Welcome to the board. Nice to see a new SCIAC poster.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BBallJunkie81 on February 14, 2012, 03:59:19 PM

Thanks OxyBob, it has been an exciting season and I am hoping to see a bit more activity on this board.   I am curious as to how others who have watched these teams play see the last few games.  Does anybody think Oxy or CLU have a chance at the playoffs?  CMS had its problems with Whittier and needed a last second shot to beat Pomona.  Will CMS (or SCIAC winner) make any noise in the tournament?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on February 14, 2012, 04:29:44 PM
Quote from: BBallJunkie81 on February 14, 2012, 01:35:27 PM
Too much pace for CalTech as Whittier jumps out to a large lead and maintains it.

Whittier 91  CalTech 59


Where were you on this one OxyBob...it's Caltech :)

...nice having you BBallJunkie81....

I'm with you on your first two calls: CMS is in another class than CLU right now.  La Verne's games are always tight, but I think they'll come up short (again) against Redlands

....I think Pomona nips Oxy though. 

Caltech doesn't matchup well with Whittier....they can play with the slower paced teams (Pomona, Cal Lu, La Verne and Oxy)....they simply can't match Whittier's athleticism and tempo...will be surprised if this is close.

I also agree that Van Klaveren should be in the running for POY (he'd probably be my choice)...I think Woodland should receive some consideration as well (how does he hit so many contested fade-aways and make it look easy??...ridiculous!!).  My guess: neither will win the award though.  The SCIAC coaches seem to vote the best player from the team that wins the conference for POY.  Just look at last year...Mills won POY when Greg Grimm bested him in most statistical categories.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on February 14, 2012, 05:03:41 PM
Quote from: BBallJunkie81 on February 14, 2012, 03:59:19 PM

Does anybody think Oxy or CLU have a chance at the playoffs?  CMS had its problems with Whittier and needed a last second shot to beat Pomona.  Will CMS (or SCIAC winner) make any noise in the tournament?

Redlands is certainly doing their best to make the playoff race interesting.  Problem for CLU is they have some tough games left:  CMS, Redlands at home will also be tough, and beating Oxy at home is no sure thing (but this could be an interesting matchup if both teams win the next two and Redlands loses a couple).  Redlands has an easier schedule: they should be able to beat both La Verne and Caltech which will probably be enough to get into the playoffs over CLU.

For Oxy -- See OxyBob's past analysis for detail -- tough schedule coming in...PP and CMS tough games and if they win both, they gotta beat CLU and hope for Redlands losses.

I'd love to see a third Whittier/Claremont matchup...If Whittier wins a third matchup it might be the best possible outcome for the SCIAC assuming that CMS gets a bid to the tourney also....unfortunately, that might mean a 4th Claremont/Whittier matchup since (as I understand it -- correct me if I'm wrong) their proximity would dictate they play each other in the first round of the tourney?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 14, 2012, 05:11:32 PM
Quote from: WoostAr on February 14, 2012, 04:29:44 PM
Quote from: BBallJunkie81 on February 14, 2012, 01:35:27 PM
Too much pace for CalTech as Whittier jumps out to a large lead and maintains it.

Whittier 91  CalTech 59
Where were you on this one OxyBob...it's Caltech

Geez, the guy's new. Cut the man some slack.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etule on February 14, 2012, 06:29:52 PM
Relands is a good team I think Oxy and Cal Lu are not making the playoffs. A Whittier CMS game would be awesome. It may happen!

I think CMS and a WW match up would be a great game. I think WW can be beat this year! They depend on the 3 ball a little to much and CMS has the muscle to handle them inside. I would take CMS in that game even in Spokane!

Oxy a little disappointing to me this year. I thought they would at least make the playoffs!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on February 14, 2012, 06:54:23 PM
Quote from: etule on February 14, 2012, 06:29:52 PM
Oxy a little disappointing to me this year. I thought they would at least make the playoffs!

Agreed...after that Pepperdine game I had high expectations.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 14, 2012, 07:22:14 PM
Quote from: etule on February 14, 2012, 06:29:52 PM
Oxy a little disappointing to me this year. I thought they would at least make the playoffs!

I agree that Oxy has not played to potential. Unfortunately, Oxy lost 3 players to attrition -- forwards Drew Dockweiler and JC transfer Jeremiah Slowik, and guard Eric Lieder -- all of whom would have played substantial minutes. Without Lieder, Oxy's guard play has been (how can I put this diplomatically?) not enough. A nagging injury to forward Ty Cobb hasn't helped either. Brian Newhall's had to work with a very short bench, and he's done about as well as can be expected. Not an excuse for Oxy's play, just an explanation.

That said, Oxy's not out of it yet!

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on February 14, 2012, 08:47:26 PM


Geez, the guy's new. Cut the man some slack.

OxyBob
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OxyBob, plus K to you. I am glad to see your other side!
Also, I don't count Oxy out. They have good coaching that is adjusting to what they have to work with.
It is good to see 3 teams fightiing for a playoff spot. It has been a crazy year in the SCIAC, but I still don't think there is enough respect from back east to get a Pool C bid. Unfortunately.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on February 14, 2012, 10:41:25 PM
Quote from: dahlby on February 14, 2012, 08:47:26 PM
It has been a crazy year in the SCIAC, but I still don't think there is enough respect from back east to get a Pool C bid. Unfortunately.

I think CMS being included in the regional rankings and d3hoops top 25 demonstrates that there is some respect around the country...if CMS wins out the regular season but loses in the tourney it would be hard to exclude them.  But, unfortunately, I think that's the only way a SCIAC team gets a pool C bid.

Quote from: OxyBob on February 14, 2012, 07:22:14 PM
Not an excuse for Oxy's play, just an explanation.

That said, Oxy's not out of it yet!

While we're explaining things...La Verne is REALLY missing Wolpe this season.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: (509)Rat on February 15, 2012, 09:49:46 AM
So...Caltech...Massey has them at 323. Last time I checked that isn't where most "solid" teams land on that list. But I've never seen them play. Could breakfromcoaching please enlighten me?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 15, 2012, 10:23:50 AM
Quote from: WoostAr on February 14, 2012, 10:41:25 PM
While we're explaining things...La Verne is REALLY missing Wolpe this season.

Redlands is who really missed him.

Quote from: (509)Rat on February 15, 2012, 09:49:46 AM
So...Caltech...Massey has them at 323. Last time I checked that isn't where most "solid" teams land on that list. But I've never seen them play. Could breakfromcoaching please enlighten me?

Water can be solid. It can be liquid. It can also be just a bunch of hot air.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: breakfromcoaching on February 15, 2012, 12:03:47 PM
Caltech is obviously not the same team they were earlier in the season.  They peaked early and just don't seem to have enough chemistry right now.  They do have some young talent in Bryan Joel and Andrew Houge, and if they can get a little depth with next year's recruiting class, they could surprise.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on February 15, 2012, 01:10:23 PM
Quote from: breakfromcoaching on February 15, 2012, 12:03:47 PM
Caltech is obviously not the same team they were earlier in the season.  They peaked early and just don't seem to have enough chemistry right now. 

True and not true...they are literally not the same team personnel wise, so you are correct on that point.

As far as the current personnel "peaking"...they've lost 3 of their last 4 by less than ten to teams that blew them out earlier in the season...I don't know if that's a "peak", but it's definitely improvement.

Quote from: OxyBob on February 15, 2012, 10:23:50 AM
Quote from: WoostAr on February 14, 2012, 10:41:25 PM
While we're explaining things...La Verne is REALLY missing Wolpe this season.

Redlands is who really missed him.


Touche.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: (509)Rat on February 15, 2012, 02:53:29 PM
Quote from: OxyBobWater can be solid. It can be liquid. It can also be just a bunch of hot air.

Well that makes sense. Especially in regards to the "hot gyms". That would definitely aid in the phase change...
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: goldsoundz on February 15, 2012, 03:29:15 PM
My breakdown of the SCIAC teams so far:

CMS is stacked and should be ranked ahead of Whitworth.  Teams have to bring their A games just to hang around against them.  They're actually playing noticeably worse now than they were at the start of the year, but it's hard to sustain that level of play for 25 games.  I expect them to win a few tournament games.

PP is tough to peg.  Not a lot of size, rely on the jumper, excellent guard play.  Some bad losses to Cal Lu and Oxy.  But they've had a lot of close losses to great teams (D1 Pepperdine, NAIA Biola, St. Thomas, CMS, D1 CSU Bakersfield) so they raise their level of play when it matters.  I think they have the best chance to knock off CMS, if they get hot.

Whittier is overrated.  Their only impressive win is against CMS in 2OT.  No impressive OOC wins.  They obviously match up well with CMS and can just run most average teams out of the gym, but come playoff time they'll be exposed.

Redlands looked like a suprise early in conference play, but they've come back to expected levels recently.  They have one very impressive win against Puget Sound where they shot lights out.  But that looks like a fluke more than anything.  Don't have a chance against CMS and they'll most likely lose to PP in the tournament.

Cal Lu and Oxy are teams with great front lines, but huge weaknesses elsewhere.  Cal Lu just has no guard play.  Oxy has Jack Hanley, but no point and very little depth.  They've played better with Montoya back, but it's too little, too late.

La Verne is a two man team with no impressive wins in conference or out.

Caltech's playing as well as you can expect, given their personnel.  Lack of size gets them killed on the boards late in games.  They outplayed Cal Lu, but gave up 2 offensive boards when they were down 3.  They don't have a go-to play-maker and have relied on freshmen Joel and Hogue off the dribble.  A lot of their offense was built around *odd *ramer, so they looked really bad early in conference play after he left, but they're starting to play better now that the freshmen have some experience.  They really need get some recruits with size.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on February 15, 2012, 06:02:08 PM
Quote from: goldsoundz on February 15, 2012, 03:29:15 PM


CMS is stacked and should be ranked ahead of Whitworth. 


Most recent regional rankings out.

CMS again behind Whitworth....the data for those rankings is here http://web1.ncaa.org/champsel_new/exec/pdf/staticpdfrank?doWhat=publicrankings&sportCode=MBB&region=40&division=3

CMS has only beat Whitworth once (2008) out of 4 matchups....CMS needs to earn that spot by either beating Whitworth or hoping another SCIAC school does.  Cal Lu played Whitworth but lost pretty bad earlier this year...same with Chapman...hard to put SCIAC ahead of NWC (Whitworth). 

BUT...SCIAC team (CMS) ahead of MIAC teams (St. Thomas and Gustavus) on the regional rankings....CMS and PP beat St. Olaf and PP played St. Thomas tight, Caltech even beat Macalester for good measure (not sure the judges looked at that matchup)...this has to be progress for the SCIAC, the MIAC is a very good conference and playing them tight and even winning some games will start earning the SCIAC some respect.

would love to see some of those Wisconsin schools on the schedule for next season.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 15, 2012, 06:20:21 PM
Quote from: dahlby on February 14, 2012, 08:47:26 PMIt has been a crazy year in the SCIAC, but I still don't think there is enough respect from back east to get a Pool C bid. Unfortunately.

I'm always baffled when long-term posters cite "respect" within the context of who gets a Pool C berth and who doesn't. It should be crystal-clear to anyone who has followed this process for more than a year that "respect" has nothing to do with it. It's all about the five primary criteria (and, in the case of a logjam that really can't be sorted out by those primary criteria, by secondary -- non-regional, in other words -- criteria).
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on February 15, 2012, 07:16:50 PM
quick preview from me:

CMS @ CLU

CMS needs to keep the train rolling. Will be diffucult with a 2game lead with 3 to play, but a win here essentially seals a #1 seed and 4-time regular season champs.. something not sure the last time it was done, maybe PP earlier, if not whittier in the 70s but im sure somehwere in between it occured.

CLU though is fighting for their playoff life. A win here, they are in a decent position to cause some noise. They lose they are essentially out. At home they will have a good crowd and I can see them causing some trouble with their physicality. I think it will be a close game and CMS will be hit in the mouth first and trail for a while, but prevail in the end. Rider will do all he can and Van Klaveran will have another double double, but Blees, Gaffney and Maciera will carry them with games from Pinson Anderson and Mivshek.

CMS wins 61-54

Oxy @ PP

I think PP wins this game, but its a total coin flip. They are at home but Oxy is always tough. I like PP though as they are just more disciplined to handle the Oxy physical slow game, especially at home. they thrive in these situations, and with the win they will get a step closer to winning the 2 seed at home. Oxy has to win this to stay in contention, but think they will come up short on the road.

PP wins 62-53

Redlands @ ULV

Redlands wins over an underachieving ULV team 77-63.

Whittier @ Caltech

Think that this will be close for about 14 minutes before Whittier just goes on a run!

Whittier wins 83-59
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: West Coast Bias on February 15, 2012, 07:24:25 PM
Professor Sager, most people don't even know what the primary selection criteria for a Pool C bid are out west because it happens so infrequently.  I think the reason posters out here cite "respect" as a factor because it often appears that way.  For example, take the current regional rankings.  In the 8 regions, the team with the best record in that region is ranked #1 in 5 of those regions.  The 3 regions that have a team ranked #1 that does not have the best record?  The Midwest - Wash U; Northeast - Amherst; and West - The UWs.  Im sure that there are numbers to back up the rankings in all 3 of those regions, but it is also easy to see why many people think there is a "respect" criteria as well.

Also I would like to get this on the record before the tournament bracket comes out and every starts talking about how the SCIAC never makes any noise in the tournament.  Home teams win NCAA tournament games.  Last year in the tournament the home team went 28-8.  Only 2 of last years sweet 16 teams had to win true road games to get there.  So while it may be true that the SCIAC hasn't "earned respect" by making deep tournament runs, few teams ever make deep tournament runs when they have to play all their tournament games on the road.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 15, 2012, 07:42:21 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 15, 2012, 06:20:21 PM
I'm always baffled when long-term posters cite "respect" within the context of who gets a Pool C berth and who doesn't.

If the SCIAC wants "respect" then all its teams have to do is play somebody and beat somebody. They also might want to consider winning a playoff game. The last time a SCIAC team won a playoff game against anyone other than another SCIAC team was 2003.

Quote from: West Coast Bias on February 15, 2012, 07:24:25 PM
Home teams win NCAA tournament games.  Last year in the tournament the home team went 28-8.  Only 2 of last years sweet 16 teams had to win true road games to get there.  So while it may be true that the SCIAC hasn't "earned respect" by making deep tournament runs, few teams ever make deep tournament runs when they have to play all their tournament games on the road.

Fair comment. If the SCIAC champ always has to travel to Whitworth (which sometimes has a first round bye!) then they're not likely to get past the first round.

This year the SCIAC has Claremont and no one else. The Stags are the only team -- if they stumble and don't get the AQ -- that have a chance at a Pool C bid.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on February 15, 2012, 08:04:30 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 15, 2012, 07:42:21 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 15, 2012, 06:20:21 PM
I'm always baffled when long-term posters cite "respect" within the context of who gets a Pool C berth and who doesn't.

If the SCIAC wants "respect" then all its teams have to do is play somebody and beat somebody. They also might want to consider winning a playoff game. The last time a SCIAC team won a playoff game against anyone other than another SCIAC team was 2003.

Quote from: West Coast Bias on February 15, 2012, 07:24:25 PM
Home teams win NCAA tournament games.  Last year in the tournament the home team went 28-8.  Only 2 of last years sweet 16 teams had to win true road games to get there.  So while it may be true that the SCIAC hasn't "earned respect" by making deep tournament runs, few teams ever make deep tournament runs when they have to play all their tournament games on the road.

Fair comment. If the SCIAC champ always has to travel to Whitworth (which sometimes has a first round bye!) then they're not likely to get past the first round.

This year the SCIAC has Claremont and no one else. The Stags are the only team -- if they stumble and don't get the AQ -- that have a chance at a Pool C bid.

OxyBob

...well this is definitely a first.......I completely agree with OxyBob.

Quote from: West Coast Bias on February 15, 2012, 07:24:25 PM
So while it may be true that the SCIAC hasn't "earned respect" by making deep tournament runs, few teams ever make deep tournament runs when they have to play all their tournament games on the road.

Great point.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 16, 2012, 01:34:35 AM
Wednesday night's scores:

Claremont 57, Cal Lutheran 46 -- CMS: Maceira 19 pts and 11 rebs, Gaffney 13. CLU: Harris 11, Walton and Nettles 10 each.

Redlands 91, La Verne 86 OT -- UR: Colston 27, Kuklok 23, Brensdal 12, Radford 11. ULV: Woodland 25, Bastos 19, Leggett 11

Oxy 57, Pomona 55 -- OC: McCoy 16, Liebowitz 14 pts and 10 rebs. PP: Cohen 15, McAndrews 11

Whittier 94, Caltech 60 -- WC: Easterman and Menez 17 each, Preer 15, Thomas 14. CIT: Wang 20, Edwards 19, Hogue 11

Oxy stays alive with a win over Pomona. To make the conference tournament the Tigers have to win their last two games against Claremont and CLU, and hope that either Redlands or Pomona lose their last 2 games. Redlands plays @ CLU and home to Caltech, so forget about UR losing 2 straight. Pomona hosts Whittier and is @ CMS; it's entirely possible for the Sagehens to lose both of those games. Oxy can't worry about that; the Tigers have to beat Claremont.

Saturday night's schedule:

Caltech (5-18, 0-12 SCIAC) @ La Verne (5-18, 2-10)
Claremont (22-1, 11-1) @ Oxy (10-12, 6-6)
Whittier (17-6, 9-3) @ Pomona (13-9, 8-4)
Redlands (12-11, 7-5) @ Cal Lutheran (9-13, 5-7)

OxyBob   
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BBallJunkie81 on February 16, 2012, 01:08:36 PM

Looking forward to Saturday night.  Two excellent games on tap:

Quote from: OxyBob on February 16, 2012, 01:34:35 AM
Claremont (22-1, 11-1) @ Oxy (10-12, 6-6)
Whittier (17-6, 9-3) @ Pomona (13-9, 8-4)

Oxy fighting for their lives...can they pull off the huge upset?  Played well against Pomona; if McCoy, Hanley, Montoya, Liebowitz play well, they can beat anybody in this league.  CMS could be caught looking ahead towards their 6th street rivals on Tuesday.

Whittier goes to Claremont playing well and with revenge on their minds.  At their first meeting, Whittier jumped to a 12-0 lead only to see it vanish quickly and never regained their shooting touch.  Pomona did not look good last night and better get it together or their "surprise" season could come to an end on Tuesday against CMS.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 16, 2012, 05:57:03 PM
Quote from: West Coast Bias on February 15, 2012, 07:24:25 PM
Professor Sager, most people don't even know what the primary selection criteria for a Pool C bid are out west because it happens so infrequently.

For the sake of reference, here they are:

* Win-loss percentage against regional opponents
* Strength of schedule (includes only contests versus regional opponents, with OWP and OOWP being weighted in favor of OWP and home/away multipliers added as well)
* In-region head-to-head competition
* In-region results versus common regional opponents
* In-region results versus regionally-ranked teams

Quote from: West Coast Bias on February 15, 2012, 07:24:25 PMI think the reason posters out here cite "respect" as a factor because it often appears that way.  For example, take the current regional rankings.  In the 8 regions, the team with the best record in that region is ranked #1 in 5 of those regions.  The 3 regions that have a team ranked #1 that does not have the best record?  The Midwest - Wash U; Northeast - Amherst; and West - The UWs.  Im sure that there are numbers to back up the rankings in all 3 of those regions, but it is also easy to see why many people think there is a "respect" criteria as well.

You've misread the rankings, WCB. Here's the teams with the best record in each region, and the teams that are ranked #1:

region  best record  ranked #1
Atlantic  St. Joseph's (L.I.) (19-2)  William Paterson (21-3)
East  Hartwick (21-2)  Hartwick (21-2)
Great Lakes  Hope (14-0)  Hope (14-0)
Mid-Atlantic  Cabrini (23-0)  Cabrini (23-0)
Midwest  Transylvania (21-2)  Washington (MO) (17-4)
Northeast  MIT (22-1)  Amherst (20-2)
South  Mary Hardin-Baylor (20-1)  Mary Hardin-Baylor (20-1)
West  Claremont-Mudd-Scripps (15-1)  UW-River Falls (18-3)

In only half of the eight regions is the team with the best in-region win-loss percentage also the #1 team. That's fairly typical. While in-region win-loss percentage is a criterion that traditionally carries a lot of weight, both with the various regional committees and with the national committee, it's not necessarily the be-all and end-all of the five primary criteria. Strength of schedule, for example, also carries a lot of weight. The Pool C message board (found under Multi-Regional Topics) has an ongoing discussion about which criteria seem to be weighted most heavily.

Quote from: West Coast Bias on February 15, 2012, 07:24:25 PMAlso I would like to get this on the record before the tournament bracket comes out and every starts talking about how the SCIAC never makes any noise in the tournament.  Home teams win NCAA tournament games.  Last year in the tournament the home team went 28-8.  Only 2 of last years sweet 16 teams had to win true road games to get there.  So while it may be true that the SCIAC hasn't "earned respect" by making deep tournament runs, few teams ever make deep tournament runs when they have to play all their tournament games on the road.

This is true. The status quo also isn't going to change, regrettably, with regard to the SCIAC's chances of hosting postseason games. As everybody who has followed this league for awhile knows -- or should know -- the combination of D3's need to keep tournament expenses down (because it's not a money-maker; D3 tourneys across the board in the various sports in which it sponsors tournaments are basically financed by the D1 tourney's TV contract) and D3's geography (there are very, very few D3 schools located west of the Missouri River) means that the D3 championships committee will very rarely send teams from other parts of the country to southern California to play in the opening two rounds, and they'll never send teams from other parts of the country to southern California to play a sectional. That's just the way it is. SCIAC teams have to be road warriors in March, and that's all there is to it.

OxyBob's right, though. If the SCIAC wants respect, it's going to have to win some tourney games against other leagues. It hasn't done so since 2003. Even when you factor in the unfortunate truths that home teams usually win in the tourney, and SCIAC teams rarely play at home, that's still a very long drought for the league.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on February 16, 2012, 06:48:25 PM
Great post...very informative.

It will be interesting to see what happens with next set of regional rankings with Stevens Point and River Falls both losing last night to teams in the bottom half of their conference.

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BBallJunkie81 on February 18, 2012, 02:39:49 AM
Redlands (12-11, 7-5) @ Cal Lutheran (9-13, 5-7)

CLU is playing well, but doesn't match up well against Redlands.  With Pomona playing Whittier and CMS, Redlands has an opportunity to take the 3rd seed and avoid CMS in the first round. 

Redlands 74 CLU 57


Claremont (22-1, 11-1) @ Oxy (10-12, 6-6)

Since getting beat by Redlands, Oxy is playing their best basketball of the season.  I wouldn't be shocked if they catch CMS looking ahead.  It will be interesting to watch McCoy and Liebowitz matchup against Blees and Maceira.   If Liebowitz can stay out of foul trouble, and finish at the rim, it could be interesting. Pinson will have his way, but Gaffaney and Hanley will be fun to watch.  Oxy needs Montoya to shoot well.  I think it will be close, but CMS too strong at the end eliminating Oxy from playoff contention.

CMS 70 Oxy 65


Whittier (17-6, 9-3) @ Pomona (13-9, 8-4)

Best game of the night.  Whittier has taken sole possession of 2nd place and looks to revenge its loss to Pomona at Whittier.  Whittier will shoot better than the first time these two met and be more consciousness regarding Pomona's 3pt shooters.  Pomona is on a 3-3 skid losing to Occidental twice and CLU once.  They are not playing like they did earlier in the year and certainly are not shooting the ball as well.  They let a golden opportunity to clinch a playoff berth against Occidental slip and now have a tough path with Whittier followed by CMS.  Pomona gave Whittier, arguably, it's worse defeat during conference play; Whittier would love to see Pomona slip to 4th seed or eliminated from the playoffs.   After watching Pomona play Oxy on Wednesday, I don't think they are playing well enough to beat Whittier at this point. 

Whittier 79 Pomona 68


Caltech (5-18, 0-12 SCIAC) @ La Verne (5-18, 2-10)

La Verne should handle Caltech rather easily.

La Verne 74  CalTech 61
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CMSfan on February 18, 2012, 11:17:00 PM
A huge bummer that Oxy makes you pay to watch their video...guess live stats will have to do.

Go Stags!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gromek on February 19, 2012, 12:26:35 AM
OxyBob  nice job on the vidio/broadcast  of the Claremont game.    The name of the Claremont player you were thinking of was Patrick Lacy.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cmsme on February 19, 2012, 12:58:29 AM
I enjoyed the Oxy - CMS game and the commentary. I don't even mind paying the money but am hoping there is some way to download and save this game.
Oxy Bob--you said there was a difficult matchup between Pomona and Whittier. Who is that? And does CMS have the same advantage in that matchup against Whittier?
:)





















Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on February 19, 2012, 02:59:20 AM
If Cal Lu and Redlands were to tie for the fourth playoff spot, what is the criteria for determing who goes to the playoffs? I think Redlands has the tie- breaker over Oxy. Just curious. Although Redlands should hand CIT handily.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DIIIFan15 on February 19, 2012, 04:14:01 AM
If Pomona-Pitzer AND Whittier both have the same SCIAC record (either both win or lose Tuesday),
AND Cal Lutheran defeats Occidental,
AND Caltech defeats Redlands, THEN
#1 CMS, #2 P-P, #3 WC, #4 CLU

Explanation of tiebreaker if "crazy" scenario unfolds in reality:
Redlands 7-7 AND Cal Lutheran 7-7; (OXY is out at 6-8 since in this scenario they would lose to CLU)
UR and CLU split the head-to-head meetings (first tiebreaker)
Both went 0-2 vs. CMS (second tiebreaker)
CLU went 1-1 vs. P-P, UR went 0-2 vs P-P (third tiebreaker)

Side note: Pomona-Pitzer has to be the #2 seed for this to happen. If Whittier is the #2 seed, Redlands has the tiebreaker since the Bulldogs have a win over the Poets this season and the Kingsmen do not.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on February 19, 2012, 10:11:41 AM
Thanks for the explanation. Plus K.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 19, 2012, 02:44:39 PM
Quote from: Gromek on February 19, 2012, 12:26:35 AM
OxyBob  nice job on the vidio/broadcast  of the Claremont game.    The name of the Claremont player you were thinking of was Patrick Lacy.

Yes, Patrick Lacey. It's sometimes difficult for me to remember all of the players who used 7 or 8 years of "eligibility" at Claremont. After the game I asked Coach Scali if he planned to being back Craig Borengasser and BJ Jameson.

Quote from: cmsme on February 19, 2012, 12:58:29 AM
I enjoyed the Oxy - CMS game and the commentary. I don't even mind paying the money but am hoping there is some way to download and save this game.

You paid to listen to me? You were robbed.

Quote from: BBallJunkie81 on February 16, 2012, 01:08:36 PM
Oxy fighting for their lives...can they pull off the huge upset?  Played well against Pomona; if McCoy, Hanley, Montoya, Liebowitz play well, they can beat anybody in this league.  CMS could be caught looking ahead towards their 6th street rivals on Tuesday.

The Tigers were game and hung in there. Claremont came out flat but once they got going they were just too deep and too talented for Oxy. In the second half Oxy trimmed CMS's lead from 13 to 5 with 1:20 left, but Claremont prevailed 55-47.

No. 1 seed Claremont (23-1, 12-1 SCIAC) will play No. 4 seed Redlands (12-12, 7-6) in the SCIAC tournament. (Any speculation about UR losing at home to Caltech is nonsense.)

Pomona (14-9, 9-4) pounded Whittier (17-7, 9-4), 79-58, serving notice on the Poets and the Stags that Coach Kat & Co. will not be pushovers in the conference tournament. Pomona has a lot to play for this Tuesday against CMS in the Temple of Doom with the No. 2 seed in the SCIAC tournament at stake. Whittier has a home game against La Verne.

Cal Lutheran (10-13, 6-7) and Oxy (10-13, 6-7) wrap up their seasons Tuesday night.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on February 20, 2012, 08:45:57 AM
Congrats to Coach Scali and CMS for winning 4 straight SCIAC regular season championships. Been quite a magical run for the Stags. Here's to making some noise on the national scene now!!

Also interesting time to look at my All-SCIAC picks:

MVP - Chris Blees

1st Team
Van Klaveran - CLU
Menez - Whittier
Gaffney - CMS
Maciera - CMS
Easterman - Whittier

2nd Team
Woodland - ULV
Colston - UR
Cohen - PP
Hanley - Oxy
Preer - Whittier


Exciting week for the SCIAC with some seeding to be sorted out between PP and Whittier. Will be interesting to see how things shake out with Tuesday as well. Does Scali go full bore vs PP or give some of his main guys a bit more rest as they hope to be playing 3 games during the week? Does PP really care where they end up playing Whittier, given their 2 thorough beatings of the Poets. Redlands will probably give their starters some rest as they prepare go to CMS in the first round game.


Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on February 20, 2012, 11:21:58 AM
Quote from: stag44 on February 20, 2012, 08:45:57 AM
Congrats to Coach Scali and CMS for winning 4 straight SCIAC regular season championships. Been quite a magical run for the Stags. Here's to making some noise on the national scene now!!

Also interesting time to look at All-SCIAC picks:

MVP - Chris Blees

1st Team
Van Klaveran - CLU
Menez - Whittier
Gaffney - CMS
Maciera - CMS
Easterman - Whittier

2nd Team
Woodland - ULV
Colston - UR
Cohen - PP
Hanley - Oxy
Preer - Whittier

The picks are not out yet.  Please don't make us think these are official. >:(
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on February 20, 2012, 03:39:10 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on February 20, 2012, 11:21:58 AM
The picks are not out yet.  Please don't make us think these are official. >:(

apologies - just my thoughts on what they would be!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DIIIFan15 on February 20, 2012, 06:35:35 PM
I'm hard pressed to think that Pomona-Pitzer would only get one second team All-SCIAC selection after finishing either second or third in the regular season standings. Klukas and Cohen have similar numbers but Klukas has started every SCIAC game while Cohen has come off the bench in all. I could see Klukas first team and Cohen second, or even flipped depending on Coach Kat's take.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on February 21, 2012, 10:55:50 AM
Final game today in SCIAC regular season play:

PP @ CMS
Should be a fun atmosphere at Ducey tonight for this game. While on the surface it looks like nothing besides a rivalry game and Senior night for the Stags, there is alot of other underlying effects of this game. Most importantly, a win here will strengthen their opportunity for an at-large bid, while a loss could in fact cripple any chances they have for an at-large. Based on what all the rankings are saying and my gut feeling, the Stags only way at an at large would be to finish 25-2, losing in the SCIAC championship game. In any case, they want to have momentum going into the playoffs and be ready to face Redlands off a win.

For PP, this game has alot more impact. Win, and they host Whittier in the SCIAC semis, lose they no longer control their fate. Given the beatdown they just put on Whittier at home, the would be more than happy to play them again at Raines in under a week. This will also give them some confidence if the 2 end up meeting in the SCIAC championship.

This is eerily similar to 2009/2010 when the Stags hosted PP on senior night with nothing to really play for. They were not in contention for an at-large bid, and realistically just had to get themselves ready to host the SCIAC tourney. In that game, PP came into Ducey and beat the Stags by 14.

I expect Blees to remind his team of this game, and that in the larger scheme of things, each win is extremely important on a national level. Also if they are able to win out and get to 26-1, they possibly put themselves in a situation to host a NCAA game. They would need some help with a Whitworth loss as well. In any case finishing the season at 26-1 provides them the best chance at hosting a game or possibly venturing elsewhere away from Spokane.

Either way, this will be an fun game to watch and will be tightly contested. After the instant classic they had a month ago, I'm sure this will not disappoint. PP is coming off their most convincing win over Whittier, while CMS knocked off Oxy.

I like Blees, Maciera and Anderson to lead their team on their Senior Night and finish atop the record books with the 02 and 06 Stags as Scali's 13-1 teams.

CMS wins 63-57

ULV @ Whittier
Whittier needs this game to still have a shot at hosting their SCIAC semi game with PP. They lose and they go back to Raines where they lost by 20+ a week ago. They win and PP loses, they host.

ULV has really disappointed this year. With all the talent they had to finish only above Caltech is a shame. I'm not sure how they will come out and play with this being their last game. I expect some spirited efforts from Woodland and Napolitano, but Whittier should be playing with a real purpose.

Whittier wins and gets to host PP, 88-76

Caltech @ Redlands
This is a great matchup for Redlands. They should get to rest some of their main guys for CMS on Friday, and as long as they take care of business, they will be in as the 4 seed in the SCIAC tourney.

If Caltech pulls of the upset like the did in the last SCIAC game last year, then a CLU win, and PP 2seed will knock them out. I put the probability of all these occurring at around .001%.

Redlands will win this game easily, hopefully rest their main guys and look to take down CMS on Friday night.

Redlands wins 73-51

CLU @ Oxy
Both teams have playing immensely better in the 2nd half of conference, but Oxy is completely out and CLU has to have each game work out in their favor to sneak in.

In a coin toss, I have Oxy winning this game at home in a physical low scoring affair 55-51

Given these results, Friday's matchups will look like this:
Redlands (#4 seed) @ CMS (#1 seed)
PP (#3 seed) @ Whittier (#2 seed)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldchap on February 21, 2012, 12:53:39 PM
Are the Chapman players eligible for any of the All-SCIAC teams? If no, then are they still eligible as Independent? If no, this would leave them in limbo this year. I'm just curious.I really don't know what the rules are.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on February 21, 2012, 01:30:55 PM
Although eligible for SCIAC Athlete of the Week, they are not considered for any All-SCIAC teams. Next year they will be.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 21, 2012, 02:07:01 PM
Quote from: stag44 on February 21, 2012, 10:55:50 AM
I put the probability of all these occurring at around .001%.

Good odds. Redlands beat Caltech by 33 in Braun. Look for Jack Colston to go off big in his last game in Currier.

Pomona has a lot more to lose than Claremont. Playing Whittier in Rains is a lot better than playing the Poets in the GAC. I'll take the Sagehens to beat CMS.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BBallJunkie81 on February 21, 2012, 06:05:31 PM
It has been a fun season.  Regular season finales tonight:

PP @ CMS

Best game of the night.  After a relatively weak second half of league play, PP made a statement against Whittier Saturday night.  CMS would love to rest some of its starters but I don't think they want to lose to a potential championship game opponent.  Also, as pointed out by Stag44, CMS puts an at-large bid at risk with a loss to PP and another loss in the playoffs.  The first time these clubs met, it went down to the wire with Pinson scoring on a buzzer beater (0.5 seconds).  For PP to have a chance, they will have to shoot well but CMS will make it tough as they will get out on shooters: Gaffaney on Cohen and Blees on Klukas.  The difference could be the improving play of Okpalugo.  Okpalugo, if playing with confidence, has the strength and size to pose problems in the key.  If PP develops a paint presence, watch out!   I am going to go with the upset.

PP 72 CMS 65


ULV @ Whittier

Whittier would much rather play PP in Whittier.  The only way that happens is if PP loses and Whittier wins.  In addition, Whittier is just too strong.... I will be surprised if this is close.

Whittier 94  ULV 71


CLU @ Oxy

Both of these clubs are playing much better at the end than the beginning of the season.  Both could upset anybody south of CMS.  CLU still has a prayer, but highly unlikely.  This will be a hard fought game, but I believe a bit too much Oxy at the end.

Oxy 64  CLU 57


Caltech @ UR

UR wins easily and earns the 4th seed.

UR 79  Caltech 49
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on February 22, 2012, 12:08:19 AM
PP wins 51-50 - controversial/great finish

Stags up 1 with 30 seconds to go - Kyle McAndrews scores to put PP up

Stags come down, no timeout, Pinson hits a 3 with 22 seconds to go

In a mayhem on the other side, McAndrews puts up a desperation 3 with .4 seconds to go and is fouled.

Makes all 3 fts, Stags are unable to get a shot for the win
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CMSfan on February 22, 2012, 12:40:04 AM
Quote from: stag44 on February 22, 2012, 12:08:19 AM
and is fouled.
So much I could say about that...

Quote from: stag44 on February 22, 2012, 12:08:19 AM
Makes all 3 fts
Very clutch, props to McAndrews.  It was so loud and he stayed focused and hit the shots.  Very impressive.

I want to take solace in the fact that the Stags are still SCIAC champs and will have homecourt throughout the SCIAC tournament, but any loss to P-P stings and I'm not quite ready to look ahead tonight.  Tomorrow is a new day.

Actually, forget it.  Looking ahead, CMS is too good to lose to P-P twice in a row at home.  I really hope they get a chance to lay a beatdown on the Hens Saturday night.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 22, 2012, 12:03:20 PM
Quote from: stag44 on February 22, 2012, 12:08:19 AM
PP wins 51-50

Not surprised. Good win for the Sagehens to clinch the No. 2 SCIAC tournament seed. Unhelpful loss for the Stags, who are trying to climb over Whitworth in the regional rankings. The No. 1 seed Pirates (22-3, 15-1 NWC) are at home tomorrow night to face No. 4 Lewis & Clark (14-11, 9-7) in the first round of the NWC tournament. The winner of that game plays on Saturday for the NWC AQ against the winner of the game between No. 3 seed Whitman (18-7, 11-5) and No. 2 Puget Sound (19-6, 11-5).

SCIAC tournament matchups:

Friday, Feb. 24, 7:30 p.m.
No. 4 Redlands (13-12, 8-6) @ No. 1 Claremont (23-2, 12-2)
No. 3 Whittier (18-7, 10-4) @ No. 2 Pomona (15-9, 10-4)

Saturday, Feb. 25, 7:30 p.m.
Winners of Friday's games at highest remaining seed
Winner gets the SCIAC AQ to the NCAA tournament

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hoopsallthetime on February 22, 2012, 01:14:11 PM
Last nights game taught me one thing...and it should be a reminder to every team that will be playing this weekend. Never leave a game in an officials hands, because it can cost you. Last nights game was evident of that. I went back last night and watched the game online and realized that the bald schmuck (official) was way over his head being involved in this type of game. When you watch the video you can see that Penson did not make contact with the PP kid at the end of the game. Why bail out a fading away shot that was not even close to going in. It just shows that you have to put teams away and not allow an (official) especially that "putz" to make a crappy call and decide the outcome of the game. I don't want to take away from the PP kids because they played hard and made plays when they had too, but that final call had to have made Scali lose his sleep last night.

The Stags will regroup I'm sure and the CMS coaches will be hungry to end this season the way it started. #Winning!!!  Good luck Stags and if we get the chance to play those hens again...let's not leave it in the hands of the officials.

For the PP administrators and athletic director....You should probably send out an email or letter to all of your students soon. They were a complete embarrassment to your schools. I have been involved in the cross-street rivalry for last 6 years, and last nights display of sportsmanship and bad language should be left in the confines of their dorm rooms. As a president or administrator at PP I would be disgusted and embarrased to have our students speak with that kind of volgur language. There were a ton of young kids at the game and PP clearly has no class. It's great to show school pride, but there is a level in which school pride becomes disgusting and vulger. Please Clean it up!!!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 22, 2012, 03:20:02 PM
Quote from: Hoopsallthetime on February 22, 2012, 01:14:11 PM
It's great to show school pride, but there is a level in which school pride becomes disgusting and vulger. Please Clean it up!!!

A couple of years ago I was at a Claremont-Oxy game in Ducey. A large contingent of Oxy students came to the game and cheered loudly for the Tigers. In particular, they chanted "Let's Go Tigers!" The CMS students responded with "F**k the Tigers!"

Spare me your feigned outrage.

As for beefing about the referee (who you called a schmuck and a putz -- classy!), wah wah wah wah wah.

Crybaby.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hoopsallthetime on February 22, 2012, 03:36:49 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 22, 2012, 03:20:02 PM
Quote from: Hoopsallthetime on February 22, 2012, 01:14:11 PM
It's great to show school pride, but there is a level in which school pride becomes disgusting and vulger. Please Clean it up!!!

A couple of years ago I was at a Claremont-Oxy game in Ducey. A large contingent of Oxy students came to the game and cheered loudly for the Tigers. In particular, they chanted "Let's Go Tigers!" The CMS students responded with "F**k the Tigers!"

Spare me your feigned outrage.

As for beefing about the referee (who you called a schmuck and a putz -- classy!), wah wah wah wah wah.

Crybaby.

OxyBob

I will give you that Bob. I remember that game, and I have to say I was embarrassed then as I am now for the kids behavior. But the language that came out last in regards to men's and women's private parts, among a handful of other vulgarous things are over the line. I'm not saying "F*&$ the Tigers is okay, but that much better than what I heard last night. That's all I am saying. How would you like your child or grandchild hearing language like that at a basketball game. So if you want to take what I had to say as whining than maybe you should take your grandchild to the next CMS-PP game is see how you would feel afterwards. Talk is CHEAP!!!!

As for the referee that I attacked earlier with my "putz" (a person who lacks good judgment) reference, I am not going to apologize for that. He wasn't the reason for them losing the game last night, but he sure had a big part in it. I'm sure in the old days if "conner whitman and Co. had lost to CMS with a botched call like that you wouldn't be to happy about it either. As a former college basketball player, you never want a game to end in an officials hands. You work to hard to lose a game in that fashion. That's all I am saying!

You can call me a crybaby all you want bob, at least my team finishes in the top 4 every year and wins SCIAC championships. No excuse for losing, just hate losing that way and especially to Pomona!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on February 22, 2012, 04:53:34 PM
Regardless of the officiating, hats off to both teams. They played a hotly contested game with no team leading by more than 6. Kyle McAndrews was clutch and really played extremely well throughout the whole game. Lots of swagger for a frosh in this big game.

In another totally interesting note, Pinson was involved in all the big plays at the end of this game. When McAndrews drove down the lane for the layup to put PP up 48-47, Pinson was involved with the split and hand off. Then coming down the court he knocked down the big 3 to put them up 3. And then he was a part of the controversial call at the end.

Regardless of how it went down, I think it further emphasizes the fact that in end of game situations, stay on your feet and play defense with your hands up. The more drastic movements that are made, the higher probability a ref will make a call, whether correct or not.

Most importantly though, CMS should have never let it get to this. They went away from their All-American and bread and butter, Chris Blees, too often. In a game where he was clearly dialed in and making all his layups, PP was playing soft defense and not coming on aggressive doubles, the Stags did not realize that everytime Blees caught in the short corner or high post, they were getting layups, fouls or WIDE open 3s. Too often they were afraid to probe the middle of the paint with the pass or bounce, rather just passively passing it around the shell of the 2-3 zone. There were plenty of gaps in the 2-3 to attack the the paint and cause all sorts of problems. In my opinion Blees and Maciera should have had a touch on the block every time down. This would have mutated the zone, caused help and recover situations and most importantly forced Kats to move away from the zone. Against their man, CMS was abusing their guards with their motion. Gaffney drew 3 fouls by simply coming off a screen hard. Blees and Mivshek were slicing to the key. If they watch the film and are fortunate enough to get another shot at PP, they should realize this. They other area they need to look at is pushing the ball in transition. If they can get them in cross matches and not allow the 23 to set, they will be lethal.



Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on February 22, 2012, 05:58:36 PM
Watched Caltech at Redlands last night.

Blowout.

On to the story of the night: Mychal Estrada put on a show!!

Contested threes were going in...no one could guard him...the shots he missed hit every side of the rim.  Very impressive.  48% from 3 on the year and fewer than 1 turnover a game....good stuff.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hoopsallthetime on February 22, 2012, 06:09:42 PM
Stag44 is exactly right...they went away from Blees towards the end. Blees was doing everything he could to provide points on the offensive end. I'm sure Scali and Levi will have the boys ready for this weekend because a loss in the tournament may not get them in.

Oxybob- what was oxy ranked the year they got an at large bid after CMS one the NCAA bid in 2005. I couldn't remember what they were ranked but I do remember OXY getting the home game against the Stags even though they didn't even win there own conference. I know we have a SCIAC tournament now, but say the Stags lose in the championship game to either Whittier or Pomona...do the Stags get a first round matchup (saying they get in the tourney) at home against the NCAA qualifier (PP or Whittier) or do all head up North to Washington together?
If I remember right, Oxy wasn't ranked as high as 11th were they?

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: (509)Rat on February 22, 2012, 07:30:35 PM
Without a Pool C team out of SoCal or a second deserving SCIAC/NWC team, and assuming we get chalk (Whit and CMS win conference tournaments) I think we get another scenario like 06-07. Whitworth was sent to a pod @ Wash in St Louis, and Oxy was sent to a pod @ Mississippi College. In this case, both teams probably deserve to host 1st round games but $$$ will prevent that from happening IMO.

In 08, Oxy and PP played in the first round giving Whitworth a first round bye. Then Whitworth was sent to a pod @ Hope, losing to Wheaton in the 3rd round.

In 09 the NWC had 2 ranked teams in UPS and Whitworth and UPS (the higher ranked team) got a 4 team pod. CMS traveled up to Tacoma and lost to Whitworth in the first round.

2010, Whitworth got Chapman after a first round bye after Chapman beat the SCIAC champ in round 1.

2011, Another bye for Whitworth after another Chapman v SCIAC 1st round matchup.

The NCAA got creative with the brackets last year, if memory serves me right, so maybe we could see a sectional in Spokane. Of course that would require flights for 3 teams on the NCAA's dime. But I wouldn't hold my breath, waiting for a playoff game @ CMS...It's all part of being WAY out West unfortunately
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 23, 2012, 12:01:04 AM
Quote from: Hoopsallthetime on February 22, 2012, 06:09:42 PM
what was oxy ranked the year they got an at large bid after CMS one the NCAA bid in 2005.
...
If I remember right, Oxy wasn't ranked as high as 11th were they?

Oxy was ranked 12th during that season.

Quote from: (509)Rat on February 22, 2012, 07:30:35 PM
Without a Pool C team out of SoCal or a second deserving SCIAC/NWC team, and assuming we get chalk (Whit and CMS win conference tournaments) I think we get another scenario like 06-07. Whitworth was sent to a pod @ Wash in St Louis, and Oxy was sent to a pod @ Mississippi College. In this case, both teams probably deserve to host 1st round games but $$$ will prevent that from happening IMO.

Assuming Claremont and Whitworth win their tournaments, it'll probably be CMS @ WW in Round One.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BBallJunkie81 on February 23, 2012, 01:27:38 AM
Great game last night...very entertaining!  I didn't get a great look at the Pinson foul on McAndrews, but I'll take Hoopsallthetime word that reviewing it on film revealed Pinson didn't touch him.  It is a shame when a game is decided on a bad last second call.  I will also agree with Hoopsallthetime  that the PP students went overboard (although I didn't hear some of the more outrageous things Hoopsallthetime heard). 

Where I differ from Hoopsallthetime is that prior to that last second call, it certainly seemed to me CMS was getting the benefit of the calls that night.  IMO, had the game been called evenly, PP would have had a 6-8 point lead and the last second heroics would not have been necessary. 

I am hoping Whittier and Redlands don't spoil the party and we get a rematch Saturday night.  What an atmosphere!

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hoopsallthetime on February 23, 2012, 01:28:35 PM
Quote from: BBallJunkie81 on February 23, 2012, 01:27:38 AM
Great game last night...very entertaining!  I didn't get a great look at the Pinson foul on McAndrews, but I'll take Hoopsallthetime word that reviewing it on film revealed Pinson didn't touch him.  It is a shame when a game is decided on a bad last second call.  I will also agree with Hoopsallthetime  that the PP students went overboard (although I didn't hear some of the more outrageous things Hoopsallthetime heard). 

Where I differ from Hoopsallthetime is that prior to that last second call, it certainly seemed to me CMS was getting the benefit of the calls that night.  IMO, had the game been called evenly, PP would have had a 6-8 point lead and the last second heroics would not have been necessary. 

I am hoping Whittier and Redlands don't spoil the party and we get a rematch Saturday night.  What an atmosphere!

I sat behind the CMS bench and underneath the PP students, so maybe I heard a couple of vulgorous things that maybe the general public didn't hear because of the noise in the gym. Overall the chants were out of line. Enough said about that.

As for the foul count...in the first half PP only committed 2 fouls (the first foul by Jack Klukas at teh 18:13 mark and the second by John Weiss with 1:53 remaining in the second half) 1st foul in the second half I believe came at the 14 minute mark with both teams playing more physical. The foul count at the end of the game was 13-9 with PP committing 7 of there 9 fouls in the second half. It was a physical game and CMS fans were yelling about the foul count from the very beginning...and i went back and looked at the tape again and the official in question called 5 fouls on CMS and 1 on PP (which just happened to be the easiest over the back call that i have seen). Just saying!!!! Believe me...CMS was not getting the benefit of the calls...they were just more physical going to the basket with created more contact. I thought the game was officiated for the most part very evenly throughout the game...it just took one knucklehead to determine the game at the end.

Well enough about the game that was...the point is CMS has to take it out of everyone else's hand and take care of business this weekend. I see them beating Redlands easily on Friday night and playing Whittier Sat night at Ducey. I just don't see PP beating Whittier three times this year...

Any thoughts?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: West Coast Bias on February 23, 2012, 02:26:28 PM
There is NO WAY you can see if he got fouled from the tape.  The angle of the camera in the CMS gym is in the 2nd deck and the shot happened right in front of the PP bench.  So the camera is 30 feet away, with the entire PP bench standing.  And unless our friend Hoopsallthetime is a CMS assistant, he has only seen the web stream of the replay.  I have seen many a web stream, and last I checked CMS isn't broadcasting in HD.  Meanwhile the official who made the call is standing there 5 feet from the play.  The official saw a foul and called it.  He didn't make it up.  Contrary to your conspiracy theories, the officials don't care who wins.  They just call what they see.  Call me crazy. 

I am shocked to hear a CMS fan say that he does not believe that CMS got the benefit of the calls!  Meanwhile BballJunkie seemed to think CMS did have the game called their way.  Sounds to me like it was probably called pretty evenly.

The only certainties in life are death, taxes, and the losing team crying about the officials!

Hoopsallthetime...you are really doing a disservice to the regular CMS posters like Stag44 and CMSfan.  They cheer unabashedly for their team, show their support, but they don't come on here and slam officials and other teams student bodies.  No doubt the PP fans said some vulgar things, but if you think the CMS fans are any different you are completely delusional.  Its an intense college basketball rivalry.  With intoxicated college students.  There are some that say some crude things.  AT EVERY SCHOOL.  Take your sour grapes somewhere else.

I watched on the webcast and could hear almost all of the PP fans chants.  You are probably referring to these horribly offensive chats.

"CAL STATE CLAREMONT!"

And when the CMS fans chanted "SCOREBOARD!"  They were met with a rousing "WHATS YOUR REAL SCORE?" from the PP side.



Oh the vulgarity!




Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 23, 2012, 03:00:09 PM
Quote from: West Coast Bias on February 23, 2012, 02:26:28 PM
Its an intense college basketball rivalry.  With intoxicated college students.  There are some that say some crude things.  AT EVERY SCHOOL.

The most outrageous thing I've heard an intoxicated SCIAC student yell at an opposing player came from the mouth of a Caltech fan.

Now everyone sit quietly with your hands neatly folded in your laps.

Quote from: Hoopsallthetime on February 23, 2012, 01:28:35 PM
I see them beating Redlands easily on Friday night and playing Whittier Sat night at Ducey. I just don't see PP beating Whittier three times this year...

Any thoughts?

01/29/2011  Redlands 65 Claremont 55
02/16/2011  Redlands 77 Claremont 69
02/26/2011  Redlands 63 Claremont 54

See, it can be done.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hoopsallthetime on February 23, 2012, 03:49:10 PM
Quote from: West Coast Bias on February 23, 2012, 02:26:28 PM
There is NO WAY you can see if he got fouled from the tape.  The angle of the camera in the CMS gym is in the 2nd deck and the shot happened right in front of the PP bench.  So the camera is 30 feet away, with the entire PP bench standing.  And unless our friend Hoopsallthetime is a CMS assistant, he has only seen the web stream of the replay.  I have seen many a web stream, and last I checked CMS isn't broadcasting in HD.  Meanwhile the official who made the call is standing there 5 feet from the play.  The official saw a foul and called it.  He didn't make it up.  Contrary to your conspiracy theories, the officials don't care who wins.  They just call what they see.  Call me crazy. 

I am shocked to hear a CMS fan say that he does not believe that CMS got the benefit of the calls!  Meanwhile BballJunkie seemed to think CMS did have the game called their way.  Sounds to me like it was probably called pretty evenly.

The only certainties in life are death, taxes, and the losing team crying about the officials!

Hoopsallthetime...you are really doing a disservice to the regular CMS posters like Stag44 and CMSfan.  They cheer unabashedly for their team, show their support, but they don't come on here and slam officials and other teams student bodies.  No doubt the PP fans said some vulgar things, but if you think the CMS fans are any different you are completely delusional.  Its an intense college basketball rivalry.  With intoxicated college students.  There are some that say some crude things.  AT EVERY SCHOOL.  Take your sour grapes somewhere else.

I watched on the webcast and could hear almost all of the PP fans chants.  You are probably referring to these horribly offensive chats.

"CAL STATE CLAREMONT!"

And when the CMS fans chanted "SCOREBOARD!"  They were met with a rousing "WHATS YOUR REAL SCORE?" from the PP side.



Oh the vulgarity!

I'm done talking about the bad call. I clearly thought it was a bad call and that is my opinion. There is a better view to the foul, but you will never see it. I'm ready to move on....

As for me being a disservice to the CMS family, you are completely wrong. You don't know me...and personally you can keep your thoughts to yourself. I am as passionate as there is for the Stags and the coaching staff. Clearly i was disgusted with how the game ended, but in no means am I taking away anything from the PP players and coaching staff. Katz did a great job preparing his kids to play, and I would never want to take that away from him. I just hope that CMS gets another chance at PP, and the students enjoy the game from both sides while being classy. I personally don't like the official that I referenced, and probably shouldn't have opened my mouth about how bad he is as a official. it is what it is...
As for the chants...I did hear the chants you suggested above, and I clearly thought they were funny. But you probably can only catch about 1/3 of the chants on webcast because of the noise.But how about this for example,Cody M was on the free throw line and the kids clearly wanted to talk about his man parts. Was that appropriate? Does the words F*## or P$$$y have to be cried out every five seconds with children clearly present. Did you hear that on the webcast or just not want to talk about it. Either way it got out of hand and should be cleaned up moving forward. At least for the young kids who attend the game..give me that.

I dont agree with the CMS students behavior and if you look at some my earlier posts you will clearly see that I think everyone of both sides should clean it up. West coast bias...how about this...why don't you come sit with me at the game on Saturday (if CMS and PP play)or possibly next year behind the CMS bench and you tell me if you come away from the game only hearing "CalState Claremont or "whats your real score" because if that is all that was chanted I wouldn't be slamming the PP or CMS students who attended the game. Either way..I can guarantee you won't come away thinking a young child should be at the game...regardless of who is playing!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on February 23, 2012, 04:39:26 PM
So how about this scenario:

Claremont wins the SCIAC tourney...assume their the only sciac team to get into the tourney.

Whitworth loses but gets pool c bid, giving the NWC 2 teams in.

So Whitworth and whatever other team play round 1.....what would happen to Claremont?  Bye?...hard to believe that.  4 team pod somewhere?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BBallJunkie81 on February 23, 2012, 05:05:29 PM
Looking forward to Friday night.

I have to agree with Hooopsallthetime, CMS will easily defeat Redlands - the PP loss will refocus CMS and Redlands will pay the consequences.  At the beginning of the year I thought Redlands would match up best with CMS, but they are not playing their best ball.  No contest.

The much better game will be PP and Whittier.  I see PP having an emotional letdown after the big win and there is no way Whittier will shoot as poorly as it did the first two times these teams met.  Third time will be a charm for the Poets.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etule on February 23, 2012, 07:36:57 PM
Redlands has been up and down but when they get going they can put up some points! Dangerous!

I think CMS wins the tourney and goes to Spokane and beats who ever the NWC puts up. NWC better teams depend on the 3 ball way to much. CMS has the beef to give them fits usless they heat up!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CMSfan on February 24, 2012, 06:09:01 PM
Quote from: Hoopsallthetime on February 23, 2012, 03:49:10 PM
how about this...why don't you come sit with me at the game on Saturday

I'll be there tonight, and tomorrow, too (hopefully). Everyone should come sit with me!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on February 24, 2012, 06:20:56 PM
Before the Chapman BHSU basketball game last night I spoke with the referee who called the critical foul on CMS in the PP/CMS game Wednesday night. He did a very thorough explanation of the call. It more than satisfied my curiosity. (And believe me, I am as critical of SCIAC referee's as the next guy).

Good luck to all four SCIAC teams...although I would enjoy a rematch between PP/CMS the most!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CMSfan on February 25, 2012, 12:36:16 AM
Quote from: dahlby on February 24, 2012, 06:20:56 PM
...although I would enjoy a rematch between PP/CMS the most!
You got your wish.

CMS 67, Redlands 65
Box: http://www.cmsathletics.org/sports/mbkb/2011-12/files/UR-CMS2.HTM (http://www.cmsathletics.org/sports/mbkb/2011-12/files/UR-CMS2.HTM)

Pomona 60, Whittier 53
Box: http://www.pe.pomona.edu/sports/mbkb/2011-12/boxscores/20120224_qcs7.xml (http://www.pe.pomona.edu/sports/mbkb/2011-12/boxscores/20120224_qcs7.xml)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on February 25, 2012, 08:02:41 PM
Well both CMS and PP took care of business at home last night and we get part 3 and the rubber match between the 6th street rivals.

Both teams are going to be physically and emotionally spent coming into this game. All the main cogs from both teams are going to be playing 30+ minutes for the 3rd time in 5 nights, and regardless of how young and fresh they are, subbing patterns are going to be very important to this game.

It will be very tough to top the drama and excitement from the last 2 games these 2 have played. I expect a very close game that will be extremely physical and emotional.

Expect PP to continue playing a sagging man to man defense on missed shots, but play 23 zone off deadballs and made baskets. This will be the KEY to the Stags winning this game. They have to capitalize on PP playing zone and force them into a man to man. They can do this 2 ways. First they have to attack the key. In both games the Stags were passively passing the ball around the perimeter, almost afraid of passing or penetrating into the key. With two of the top threats in the key (Blees and Maciera) they have to go and attack the Sagehens this way. Expect to see more emphasis on getting offensive paint touches from Blees and Maciera while also seeing Pinson Gaffney and Mivshek penetrate to the basket. This will force the zone to collapse and mutate opening up layups and 3s. Also the Stags have to knock down open shots. In the heat of this game they were airmailing shot after shots and rushing open shots. They are open and will be able to take shots as they please against the zone, they just have to step in confidently and make them!

An emerging story of the last 2 games in Kyle McAndrews. They guys has shone brightest the last 2 games. After his ice cold clutch FTs to win vs CMS, he went for 22 agains Whittier in the SCIAC semis, with 18 coming in the 2nd half. He seems to be playing at a very high level. Expect the Stags to key on him and Cohen and prevent them from getting open or easy looks. They should also attack those 2 on the defensive end as they are young and inexperienced on that side of the ball.

Blees should have a field day, and I think Gaffney will be great. Maciera should enjoy this environment and after his effort against Redlands will be looking to back up that effort with another good game. I honestly think though, the x-factor in this game is the CMS. If they can come in off the bench and knock down a couple of 3s and get the CMS crowd involved that will be huge for the Stags. They have struggled the last couple games with his range, but I expect them to play well in this environment!

if you're planning on going to the game, get there early. Seating at Ducey will be at a premium and fans will be rowdy. Regardless of the words they choose or not, the environment is going to be electric. Both fans, while probably still recovering from Tuesday night will be primed and ready for another game like this, especially with no class the next day!

I have no clue how the game will turn out and will not even predict a winner, though everyone knows my bias ;)

Here's to a game that is decided by the players!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CMSfan on February 26, 2012, 12:36:35 AM
Stags Win!!!

60-54.  CMS had a 16 point lead with around 10 minutes to go but Pomona made a run thanks to some great shooting from Po Grant.  But CMS stayed cool and outplayed PP down the stretch.  Great game. Great season.

Box: http://www.cmsathletics.org/sports/mbkb/2011-12/files/PP-CMS2.HTM (http://www.cmsathletics.org/sports/mbkb/2011-12/files/PP-CMS2.HTM)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CMSfan on February 26, 2012, 01:29:45 AM
I don't mean to rehash Tuesday's game or cast aspersions on the officiating crew.  It's a really tough job and I appreciate that so many refs are willing to do it and maintain professionalism despite the verbal abuse they take. But I just saw this from CMC's student newspaper and thought I'd share: http://cmcforum.com/sports-connection/02252012-watch-live-stags-v-sagehens-sciac-finals (http://cmcforum.com/sports-connection/02252012-watch-live-stags-v-sagehens-sciac-finals)

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcmcforum.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2012%2F02%2Ffoul.jpg&hash=d32edaa8b75ec377b7a594175247f296cd1ea4e4)

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gosox on February 26, 2012, 12:33:18 PM
Congrats to CMS on a terrific season!   Best of Luck at the tourney...go represent boys! 8-)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 26, 2012, 05:40:33 PM
Quote from: CMSfan on February 26, 2012, 01:29:45 AM
I don't mean to rehash Tuesday's game or cast aspersions on the officiating crew. 

Quote from: Hoopsallthetime on February 23, 2012, 03:49:10 PM
I'm done talking about the bad call.

Quote from: Hoopsallthetime on February 22, 2012, 01:14:11 PM
the bald schmuck (official)

Quote from: Hoopsallthetime on February 22, 2012, 01:14:11 PM
an (official) especially that "putz"

Quote from: Hoopsallthetime on February 23, 2012, 03:49:10 PM
I personally don't like the official that I referenced, and probably shouldn't have opened my mouth about how bad he is as a official.

Quote from: Hoopsallthetime on February 23, 2012, 03:49:10 PM
it just took one knucklehead to determine the game at the end.

As long as you're done talking about it and not casting aspersions.

Quote from: CMSfan on February 26, 2012, 01:29:45 AM
But I just saw this from CMC's student newspaper and thought I'd share

Once a crybaby always a crybaby.

Good luck to Claremont against Whitworth in Spokane.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gosox on February 26, 2012, 06:14:34 PM
And that is what I enjoy most about Oxy Bob...hahaha...sorry but that is funny....again, best of luck, go represent well boys!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cmsme on February 26, 2012, 07:37:07 PM
So happy that CMS won, and hope they continue on and represent the SCIAC well!
The P-P/C-M-S crowd was very involved, with a large number of people who couldn't get in. I wish I could have enjoyed it more.

Regarding rankings, I was very happy that CMS was ranked so highly this season.
But, in previous years when CMS  was never ranked, I wondered how much better the ranked teams were than CMS. Now that CMS has been ranked, I know! There is very little difference.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: (509)Rat on February 27, 2012, 08:59:23 AM
Quote from: cmsme on February 26, 2012, 07:37:07 PMRegarding rankings, I was very happy that CMS was ranked so highly this season.But, in previous years when CMS  was never ranked, I wondered how much better the ranked teams were than CMS. Now that CMS has been ranked, I know! There is very little difference.

So you expect to lose in the first round? I'm really confused. See, CMS teams in years past haven't done too well in the tournament. If this team isn't much better than those, you better hope that you don't get sent to Spokane. Because I can say that this Whitworth team is better than the last one you guys played, and currently, are playing better basketball than last year's team (although they aren't quite as talented).
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cmsme on February 27, 2012, 11:24:50 AM
I was trying to say that the SCIAC has some great teams that don't get much recognition outside of the SCIAC because the balance of D3 influence is far to the east.
The link below is a map where the probable playoff teams are located. It was an eye opener for me.

http://g.co/maps/nbbmw

I was trying to say that CMS is really, really good. And so are the other SCIAC teams. Within the SCIAC, usually, there is very little difference between a Win and a Loss.  CMS could easily have lost the tournament to Pomona Pitzer, Whittier or Redlands.
So, if CMS is ranked at #11, I think these other teams would have been ranked--except the attention is back east.

As far as I know, the only time in my son's history that CMS played Whitworth at a neutral site, CMS beat Whitworth.

It is difficult (for me as a fan) to travel to Spokane. You guys are located in the middle of these beautiful mountains with that great river--but I am not used to driving in the snow.
Regardless of where CMS plays, I plan to be there.
See you. ;)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: (509)Rat on February 27, 2012, 11:51:47 AM
Quote from: cmsmeAs far as I know, the only time in my son's history that CMS played Whitworth at a neutral site, CMS beat Whitworth.

Oh, I didn't know we were going back to the 20th century...my apologies
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: (509)Rat on February 27, 2012, 12:13:57 PM
CMS gets a good first round draw...but then has to play (most likely) UWW at UWW in the second round. Rough.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CMSfan on February 27, 2012, 12:14:46 PM
Stags going to Wisconsin.  Take care of business, boys!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CMSfan on February 27, 2012, 12:21:08 PM
Here's the bracket: http://www.d3hoops.com/playoffs/men/2012/mbb-bracket-2012.pdf (http://www.d3hoops.com/playoffs/men/2012/mbb-bracket-2012.pdf)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DoubleDomer on February 27, 2012, 01:10:19 PM
Welcome to Wisconsin, Stags fans!  Sorry to hear that you have to travel halfway across the country to play at a dump like Whitewater. As the parents of a current CMS athlete (football), though, we'll be rolling out the Stag Love later this week for the delegation from Claremont, and for all the Stags faithful.  Safe travels!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 27, 2012, 01:23:18 PM
Quote from: (509)Rat on February 27, 2012, 12:13:57 PM
CMS gets a good first round draw

Very winnable game for Claremont. St. Thomas plays a similar style to CMS. UST is not the team it was last season when the Tommies won it all.

I saw St. Thomas play Oxy last November 18. UST was too deep and wore Oxy down and won easily, 82-61. Here's the box score of that game:

http://www.oxyathletics.com/sports/mbkb/2011-12/boxscores/20111118_bwy5.xml

On November 19, the Tommies played at Pomona and escaped with a double overtime win, 82-79. Here's the box score of that game:

http://pe.pomona.edu/sports/mbkb/2011-12/boxscores/20111119_ig7s.xml

Good travels, Claremont.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cmsme on February 27, 2012, 01:33:03 PM


Rat--In regards to your comment: I didn't know we were going back to the 20th century...my apologies.

I get confused on my centuries, but I was only going back 3 years ago to the most recent time Whitworth and CMS played at a nuetral site. CMS won. You may have missed it as it was a pre-league game, not a playoff game.

??? Does anyone know where CMS plays and when? Is it at UW Whitewater or St. Thomas? Is it March 1 or 2?
Is there snow?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: (509)Rat on February 27, 2012, 01:54:59 PM
I did miss that one. I do tend to focus on playoff beatdowns, so you got me there. So CMS is 1-2 against Whitworth since 2000, you win.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cmsme on February 27, 2012, 02:07:29 PM
Rat--we've got bigger things to worry about now.
I just think the home court advantage is stronger in a play off game.
Best wishes to Whitworth--our neighbor school.
And we are both traveling--altho I would prefer to be going to Texas than Wisconsin.
All this snow! And I hate flying. :P But I am going to grit my teeth and get on the plane.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CMSfan on February 27, 2012, 02:15:58 PM
Quote from: cmsme on February 27, 2012, 01:33:03 PM
Does anyone know where CMS plays and when? Is it at UW Whitewater or St. Thomas? Is it March 1 or 2?
Is there snow?

I believe they will play Friday, March 2 at Whitewater. As for the weather:
http://www.weather.com/weather/tenday/Whitewater+WI+USWI0745 (http://www.weather.com/weather/tenday/Whitewater+WI+USWI0745)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: (509)Rat on February 27, 2012, 02:46:12 PM
Getting too used to hosting games in the playoffs. Time for an NWC team to get back to our roots of having to travel from week 1.

CMS should be fine against St Thomas. They are not the same team as they were last year and haven't been a model of consistency this year. UWW is very though IMO. Granted, Whitworth was nowhere near full strength, but even if they were that was a game that would have gone to the wire. Instead UWW put Whitworth away without any drama.

I personally think the bottom right corner of the bracket is the most difficult. Between Va Wes, UMHB, CMS, and UWW you have 5 teams who were in the top 11 going into this weekend...half of the top 10 practically in 1 corner of the bracket? Brutal.

Your first game will be at UWW, no idea when though
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Just Bill on February 27, 2012, 02:59:43 PM
Brought this over from the WIAC board for those trying to go from Southern Cali to Whitewater, Wis...

Quote from: cmsme on February 27, 2012, 01:59:25 PM
Excuse me, but do you have any advice on the best way to get from California (San Francisco) to Whitewater Wisconsin?
Should we fly into Chicago or Madison?
Is there a lot of snow to drive thru?
:)

Milwaukee probably is your best option. Madison is great if it works, but there's not as many flights in and out daily. Also check Rockford, but that's similar to Madison. Chicago should be a last resort.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on February 27, 2012, 03:32:14 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 27, 2012, 01:23:18 PM
Quote from: (509)Rat on February 27, 2012, 12:13:57 PM
CMS gets a good first round draw

Very winnable game for Claremont. St. Thomas plays a similar style to CMS. UST is not the team it was last season when the Tommies won it all.



St Thomas is also not the same team they were earlier in the year....they're better and they've been hot of late.  Also the game that went double OT against Pomona was on the second night of a back to back for the Tommies, but not for PP -- advantage PP.  Not saying CMS doesn't have a chance, but this will be a dogfight...it will be the best competition CMS has seen in a LONG time.

I actually think this is a bad draw for CMS...they're the only team in their pod that'll be flying/adjusting to a different time zone which is a disadvantage (but also a given for the sciac), AND there are some serious teams in their part of the bracket: 2 UW schools, Gustavus, St. Thomas and Wheaton.  Even if they beat St. Thomas (the best team they've played since December?), they have to come back and play UW Whitwater (a better team) at home (assumption) next??...that's ROUGH!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CMSfan on February 27, 2012, 03:40:32 PM
Quote from: (509)Rat on February 27, 2012, 12:13:57 PM
CMS gets a good first round draw
Quote from: WoostAr on February 27, 2012, 03:32:14 PM
I actually think this is a bad draw for CMS

I agree that it's a tough draw, but I really think it's as good as could be expected.  St. Thomas is a tough opponent, but CMS is battle-tested and needs to be able to win a game like that.  If they do, I think they could surprise people against UWW (yes, assumption), despite the home-court advantage.

I'm just glad: 1) That they beat PP on Saturday, avoiding the likelihood of a first round matchup against the Sagehens.  Three games vs. PP in less than two weeks would have been overkill; 2) That they actually get to go somewhere for their first round game (rather than playing Chapman or another SCIAC team); 3) That the place they get to go isn't Spokane.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 27, 2012, 04:03:52 PM
Quote from: WoostAr on February 27, 2012, 03:32:14 PM
they're the only team in their pod that'll be flying/adjusting to a different time zone which is a disadvantage

The gym will probably be hot, too.

Quote from: WoostAr on February 27, 2012, 03:32:14 PM
St Thomas is also not the same team they were earlier in the year....they're better and they've been hot of late.

Last 10 games: St. Thomas 8-2, Claremont 9-1 (loss by 1 point).

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CMSfan on February 27, 2012, 04:39:40 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 27, 2012, 04:03:52 PM
Quote from: WoostAr on February 27, 2012, 03:32:14 PM
St Thomas is also not the same team they were earlier in the year....they're better and they've been hot of late.

Last 10 games: St. Thomas 8-2, Claremont 9-1 (loss by 1 point).

So what's your point?  That CMS has been hot, too?  That the game is winnable?  Well, yeah...obviously.  CMS has been playing amazing basketball and I like their chances against anyone (in Division 3), anywhere!

But it's certainly not an easy match up.  St. Thomas is probably better than the Stags' competition in SCIAC, and the travel (for both teams) adds a wrinkle.  If the Stags are favorites vs. St. Thomas, it's by a small margin.  This is a game CMS can, should, and needs to win.  But it's also going to be as big a test as the Stags have had this season.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: summers on February 27, 2012, 04:54:35 PM
Quote from: CMSfan on February 26, 2012, 01:29:45 AM
I don't mean to rehash Tuesday's game or cast aspersions on the officiating crew.  It's a really tough job and I appreciate that so many refs are willing to do it and maintain professionalism despite the verbal abuse they take. But I just saw this from CMC's student newspaper and thought I'd share: http://cmcforum.com/sports-connection/02252012-watch-live-stags-v-sagehens-sciac-finals (http://cmcforum.com/sports-connection/02252012-watch-live-stags-v-sagehens-sciac-finals)

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcmcforum.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2012%2F02%2Ffoul.jpg&hash=d32edaa8b75ec377b7a594175247f296cd1ea4e4)

The thing about still photos is that they only capture one specific moment of time. You can see on the scoreboard that those two photos are at 2.1 and 1.9. Would be nice to know what happened in between, right? Well - here's a shot at 2.0:

http://willhummel.blogspot.com/2012/02/last-seconds-part-ii.html

Not so cut and dry is it? That hand sure is in the cookie jar here. Not only that, but he clearly recoiled it by 1.9 in the sort of reaction someone might have if they touched a hot stove (or a shooter's arm). And since the shot went behind the backboard (McAndrews was wide open and on balance when he caught the pass, which was a little behind him), the most logical explanation for the sequence of events is that Pinson hit him on the elbow, recoiled his arm, and McAndrews' mechanics got throw off to the point that his shot missed by five feet.

You can also see in the first photo on that blog, that McAndrews was clearly fouled on his lay-up with 30 seconds left. Sagehens might have defended that last possession differently if they led by two (where a two ties the game) instead of one (where a two wins the game).
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DoubleDomer on February 27, 2012, 04:58:33 PM
For those traveling to Whitewater from California:

1. Fly to Milwaukee, not Chicago (ORD or MDW), Madison, or Rockford.  If you're in LA county, fly from ONT to Milwaukee on Southwest.  Multiple flights daily through PHX, DEN, or Las Vegas.  Milwaukee Mitchell is an hour from Whitewater--maybe 60% of which is freeway.  (There are beau-coo flights into Midway, but it's going to take you 2:30-3:00 to get to WW, and you're going to fight Chicagoland traffic to do it.) If you're really adventurous, AirTran has a red-eye from LAX that leaves 11:59 pm and arrives MKE dawn or so.  Rode that back from a couple of Stags football games this fall; not as bad as it sounds--but pay the $75 to upgrade to business class.

2. Do yourself a favor and book a hotel room in Madison, not Whitewater.  (And DEFINITELY do not be beguiled by Expedia into thinking that Janesville or Beloit are options.) Unless you're a fan of the stalag experience--think treeless campus graced with 70s-vintage gulag architecture--or unless you dig hog-wrestling coeds who could whip your left coast a**, Whitewater has nothing to offer.  There are 3 or 4 nice, new, cheap hotels (Cambria Suites is the best) on the East Side of Madison (Eastpark Drive), which is 45 minutes to the northwest.  Up there, you've at least got access to State Street, the Square, and some decent restaurants.

Go Stags.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GBMAN on February 27, 2012, 05:10:31 PM
Quote from: DoubleDomer on February 27, 2012, 01:10:19 PM
Welcome to Wisconsin, Stags fans!  Sorry to hear that you have to travel halfway across the country to play at a dump like Whitewater. As the parents of a !

Dump?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CMSfan on February 27, 2012, 06:14:38 PM
Quote from: summers on February 27, 2012, 04:54:35 PM
Not so cut and dry is it?
Welcome to the board, summers. You know, I think that photo, combined with the others, actually makes it even more cut and dried that Pinson didn't touch him, given that Pinson is fully extended and McAndrews is really fading away.  But, it was a tough call and, as we all know, refs are aren't perfect. More importantly, they are also the final word on any call. It doesn't matter if Pinson actually touched him. One ref thought he did and, therefore, it was a foul.

In retrospect, it may have been good for the Stags to lose that game.  And it was certainly good for the rivalry...Next year will be a lot of fun when these two get together.  PP played three tough games against a really good team and they deserve a lot of credit for that. As a CMS fan, I thank them for preparing us well for the tournament. I hope our guys do a good job of representing SCIAC!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 27, 2012, 06:16:38 PM
Quote from: CMSfan on February 27, 2012, 04:39:40 PM
So what's your point? 

I'm on your side. Calm down. Geez.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CMSfan on February 27, 2012, 06:32:10 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 27, 2012, 06:16:38 PM
I'm on your side.

I'd certainly hope so!

Quote from: OxyBob on February 27, 2012, 06:16:38 PM
Calm down.
Didn't mean to scare you...it's just that the point of your post was unclear to me. WoostAr was making the point that St. Thomas is hot and a tougher match up than some were making it seem by calling it a "good draw" and a "very winnable game."  The Stags record in the last 10 isn't relevant to that point.  Hence my confusion.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 27, 2012, 06:34:37 PM
Quote from: CMSfan on February 27, 2012, 06:32:10 PM
Hence my confusion.

Well, your SAT score wasn't as high as previously reported, hence your confusion.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CMSfan on February 27, 2012, 06:40:20 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 27, 2012, 06:34:37 PM
Well, your SAT score wasn't as high as previously reported, hence your confusion.

I love the irony. Thanks, OxyBob!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 27, 2012, 07:24:51 PM
Quote from: CMSfan on February 27, 2012, 02:15:58 PM
Quote from: cmsme on February 27, 2012, 01:33:03 PM
Does anyone know where CMS plays and when? Is it at UW Whitewater or St. Thomas? Is it March 1 or 2?
Is there snow?

I believe they will play Friday, March 2 at Whitewater. As for the weather:
http://www.weather.com/weather/tenday/Whitewater+WI+USWI0745 (http://www.weather.com/weather/tenday/Whitewater+WI+USWI0745)

That's very favorable weather for this time of year in southern Wisconsin. We've had a mild winter here in this part of the midwest. As for current snow cover, the weather maps show that there's zero to two inches of snow on the ground in southern Wisconsin. That usually means scattered patches of snow here and there. Based upon the weather report, that snow may or may not be there when you arrive.

Long story short, you will not be flying into a winter wonderland.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on February 27, 2012, 08:17:53 PM
While I'd love to see CMS avail themselves well against St. Thomas, I don't see it in the cards.  A good friend of mine is a CMS grad (years ago), so I watched good portions of several of their games this year.  The level, and style, of play out there just seems different.  Almost intramuralish.  Basketball in the midwest has gotten very physical (not that I like that, but that's the way it is), and CMS will have to adjust to that, quickly, or they're going to be in real trouble.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on February 27, 2012, 08:28:20 PM
All-SCIAC Team

http://www.thesciac.org/sports/mbkb/2011-12/releases/All-SCIAC
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on February 27, 2012, 09:21:28 PM
Should be a fun pod in Whitewater!

I arrive in Milwaukee at 330pm Friday, so hopefully I'll be able to make it for the tip in Whitewater!

Excited to see CMS supporters and see what a WIAC gym is like!

More to come through this week from me on the matchups!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GBMAN on February 27, 2012, 09:27:11 PM
Quote from: stag44 on February 27, 2012, 09:21:28 PM
Should be a fun pod in Whitewater!

I arrive in Milwaukee at 330pm Friday, so hopefully I'll be able to make it for the tip in Whitewater!

Excited to see CMS supporters and see what a WIAC gym is like!

More to come through this week from me on the matchups!


It's basically an hour to Whitewater from Milwaukee.... I'll be wearing a Purple, hoodie.... It will say Warhawks on the front with a Nike swoosh.... Say hi...
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GBMAN on February 27, 2012, 09:33:08 PM
http://www.uww.edu/campus-info/map-and-directions
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: summers on February 27, 2012, 09:38:14 PM
Quote from: CMSfan on February 27, 2012, 06:14:38 PM
Welcome to the board, summers. You know, I think that photo, combined with the others, actually makes it even more cut and dried that Pinson didn't touch him.

We'll have to disgree on that. Bear in mind the two guards were double-teaming Cohen outside the arc when Cohen passed the ball to McAndrews wide open. Pinson wasn't guarding him on the catch - he flew at him with a late contest with his momentum taking him towards the corner. And the referee was standing along the sideline, so even at that exact instant of the picture, there's no way he could see any space between Pinson's hand and McAndrews' elbow. Even if you think there was no contact (and this point is less aimed at you -- and more for the earlier ranters and the Got Foul? people), Pinson put the official in a situation where he could make that call by getting his hand in the cookie jar right at his elbow at the moment the shot was being released. The shot going behind the backboard would also lead the official to feel pretty confident he got it right.

But no worries - CMS is on to bigger and better things, deservedly so, and the call is really just a footnote at this point. I'm more just sharing the photo at 2.0, so people don't only see the shots at 2.1 and 1.9 and think the ref was blind and that there was some sort of great officiating travesty that took place.  It might have been the wrong call, but if so, it was so dang close you can't fault the official for making it.

(modified by GS for formatting)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DoubleDomer on February 27, 2012, 09:55:27 PM
Quote from: GBMAN on February 27, 2012, 05:10:31 PM
Quote from: DoubleDomer on February 27, 2012, 01:10:19 PM
Welcome to Wisconsin, Stags fans!  Sorry to hear that you have to travel halfway across the country to play at a dump like Whitewater. As the parents of a !

Dump?

Did I say that out loud?  I'm sorry--I meant "functionally, aesthetically, academically, and climatologically challenged." My apologies.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GBMAN on February 27, 2012, 10:09:48 PM
Quote from: DoubleDomer on February 27, 2012, 09:55:27 PM
Quote from: GBMAN on February 27, 2012, 05:10:31 PM
Quote from: DoubleDomer on February 27, 2012, 01:10:19 PM
Welcome to Wisconsin, Stags fans!  Sorry to hear that you have to travel halfway across the country to play at a dump like Whitewater. As the parents of a !

Dump?

Did I say that out loud?  I'm sorry--I meant "functionally, aesthetically, academically, and climatologically challenged." My apologies.

Accepted...
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BBallJunkie81 on February 27, 2012, 10:37:30 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on February 27, 2012, 08:28:20 PM
All-SCIAC Team

http://www.thesciac.org/sports/mbkb/2011-12/releases/All-SCIAC

CMS:3, Whittier:3, Redlands:2 - PP only one mention? 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cmsme on February 28, 2012, 01:13:00 AM
DoubleDomer--as a member of the CMS community, you have GOT to be more positive!
Hog wrestling, getting my west coast ass beat--this could all be entertaining.
I have never been to Wisconsin. What are their food specialties? Beer? Cheese?
We are going to watch a bunch of basketball, eat and drink. It is going to be great. :)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CMSfan on February 28, 2012, 01:50:36 AM
Quote from: Gray Fox on February 27, 2012, 08:28:20 PM
All-SCIAC Team

http://www.thesciac.org/sports/mbkb/2011-12/releases/All-SCIAC
Quote from: BBallJunkie81 on February 27, 2012, 10:37:30 PM
PP only one mention? 
A little surprised Cohen didn't make it.  But I'm guessing he, McAndrews, and Klukas will earn PP plenty of All-SCIAC love in the next three years.

I'm also disappointed Joey Anderson didn't make the list this year, but I realize that the Stags weren't likely to get 4.  And at least he got second team the past couple years.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 28, 2012, 02:02:02 AM
Quote from: cmsme on February 28, 2012, 01:13:00 AM
DoubleDomer--as a member of the CMS community, you have GOT to be more positive!
Hog wrestling, getting my west coast ass beat--this could all be entertaining.
I have never been to Wisconsin. What are their food specialties? Beer? Cheese?
We are going to watch a bunch of basketball, eat and drink. It is going to be great. :)

I grew up in Illinois, have been in Michigan for 40+ years, but have spent a lot of time in Wisconsin.  Think German.  Bratwurst, Knackwurst, etc. (And a proper Rouladen is fantastic.)  And you have got to have cheese curds!  And, obviously, beer - not the mass-produced sh!t, but REAL Wisconsin craft bier.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 28, 2012, 10:03:10 AM
You've forgotten to mention our Friday night fish fry, Ypsi.  You can't come to Wisconsin and skip a Friday night fish fry.   
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DoubleDomer on February 28, 2012, 11:07:56 AM
CMSme--good advice.  In my defense, endless winter and Nordic blood both tend to make one cynical. (I'm thinking, you know, Ibsen-type cynical.)  Further in my defense is the better part of 5 decades spent listening to the legion of social studies teachers, high school guidance counselors, P.E. majors, and interior decorators that populate the WIAC--most of whom consider it a mind-expanding, cross-cultural experience to venture off to the Tractor Supply store in Stoughton rather than their usual trip to Fleet Farm in Edgerton--go on and on about how Whitewater is the very apotheosis of baccalaureate training in the Western World (defined, as I'm sure you know, by the boundaries of Walworth County).

BUT, putting that aside: You'll have a great time among us cheeseheads.  Get yourself a hotel room up in Madison; enjoy the Friday game; adjourn directly from the game to the Wayside Inn in Jefferson to celebrate the Stags win with cheese curds and a fish fry (washed down with a 10-oz draws of Leinenkugel's); and then trundle back to Madison, where I recommend you designate the Great Dane on the Square (www.greatdanepub.com) as official Stag Love Brewpub.  On Saturday, roll out of bed and into the arms of a fresh cinnamon roll at the Market Street Diner in Sun Prairie (www.marketstreetdiner.com).  (Myself, I recommend the cinnamon roll as an appetizer, the cranberry & cream pie as an entree, and a big piece of red velvet cake for dessert.)  Then, since you'll have an entire afternoon to kill before the final, head for New Glarus and a tasting tour at the New Glarus Brewing Company (www.newglarusbrewing.com).  After a few Spotted Cows and an Uff Da Bock or two, you'll be ready to shout down the UWW horde (or the 800 or so of them who will show up, anyway, since the suitcase campus will have emptied out on Thursday so all the Warhawks and Warhawk-ettes can get back to Cudahy and Boscobel and Plover to spend the weekend with their high school buddies) as the forces of good triumph once more.

GO STAGS!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: summers on February 28, 2012, 11:45:54 AM
Quote from: CMSfan on February 28, 2012, 01:50:36 AM

A little surprised Cohen didn't make it.  But I'm guessing he, McAndrews, and Klukas will earn PP plenty of All-SCIAC love in the next three years.


In fairness, PP was just balanced this year, with no real individual standouts. Klukas on the first team at <10 ppg was probably even a reach.  If CMS didn't have such a great year start to finish (and make inroads nationally), Coach Kat would have been an easy COY choice.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 28, 2012, 12:25:23 PM
Quote from: DoubleDomer on February 28, 2012, 11:07:56 AM
CMSme--good advice.  In my defense, endless winter and Nordic blood both tend to make one cynical. (I'm thinking, you know, Ibsen-type cynical.)  Further in my defense is the better part of 5 decades spent listening to the legion of social studies teachers, high school guidance counselors, P.E. majors, and interior decorators that populate the WIAC--most of whom consider it a mind-expanding, cross-cultural experience to venture off to the Tractor Supply store in Stoughton rather than their usual trip to Fleet Farm in Edgerton--go on and on about how Whitewater is the very apotheosis of baccalaureate training in the Western World (defined, as I'm sure you know, by the boundaries of Walworth County).

BUT, putting that aside: You'll have a great time among us cheeseheads.  Get yourself a hotel room up in Madison; enjoy the Friday game; adjourn directly from the game to the Wayside Inn in Jefferson to celebrate the Stags win with cheese curds and a fish fry (washed down with a 10-oz draws of Leinenkugel's); and then trundle back to Madison, where I recommend you designate the Great Dane on the Square (www.greatdanepub.com) as official Stag Love Brewpub.  On Saturday, roll out of bed and into the arms of a fresh cinnamon roll at the Market Street Diner in Sun Prairie (www.marketstreetdiner.com).  (Myself, I recommend the cinnamon roll as an appetizer, the cranberry & cream pie as an entree, and a big piece of red velvet cake for dessert.)  Then, since you'll have an entire afternoon to kill before the final, head for New Glarus and a tasting tour at the New Glarus Brewing Company (www.newglarusbrewing.com).  After a few Spotted Cows and an Uff Da Bock or two, you'll be ready to shout down the UWW horde (or the 800 or so of them who will show up, anyway, since the suitcase campus will have emptied out on Thursday so all the Warhawks and Warhawk-ettes can get back to Cudahy and Boscobel and Plover to spend the weekend with their high school buddies) as the forces of good triumph once more.

GO STAGS!


All of that must make you feel vastly superior, DD. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cmsme on February 28, 2012, 01:14:30 PM
Thanks for the advise. I like to eat. This all sounds good.
I guess all those dairy cows don't translate into a big steak place. :D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GBMAN on February 28, 2012, 01:36:58 PM
Quote from: DoubleDomer on February 28, 2012, 11:07:56 AM
CMSme--good advice.  In my defense, endless winter and Nordic blood both tend to make one cynical. (I'm thinking, you know, Ibsen-type cynical.)  Further in my defense is the better part of 5 decades spent listening to the legion of social studies teachers, high school guidance counselors, P.E. majors, and interior decorators that populate the WIAC--most of whom consider it a mind-expanding, cross-cultural experience to venture off to the Tractor Supply store in Stoughton rather than their usual trip to Fleet Farm in Edgerton--go on and on about how Whitewater is the very apotheosis of baccalaureate training in the Western World (defined, as I'm sure you know, by the boundaries of Walworth County).

BUT, putting that aside: You'll have a great time among us cheeseheads.  Get yourself a hotel room up in Madison; enjoy the Friday game; adjourn directly from the game to the Wayside Inn in Jefferson to celebrate the Stags win with cheese curds and a fish fry (washed down with a 10-oz draws of Leinenkugel's); and then trundle back to Madison, where I recommend you designate the Great Dane on the Square (www.greatdanepub.com) as official Stag Love Brewpub.  On Saturday, roll out of bed and into the arms of a fresh cinnamon roll at the Market Street Diner in Sun Prairie (www.marketstreetdiner.com).  (Myself, I recommend the cinnamon roll as an appetizer, the cranberry & cream pie as an entree, and a big piece of red velvet cake for dessert.)  Then, since you'll have an entire afternoon to kill before the final, head for New Glarus and a tasting tour at the New Glarus Brewing Company (www.newglarusbrewing.com).  After a few Spotted Cows and an Uff Da Bock or two, you'll be ready to shout down the UWW horde (or the 800 or so of them who will show up, anyway, since the suitcase campus will have emptied out on Thursday so all the Warhawks and Warhawk-ettes can get back to Cudahy and Boscobel and Plover to spend the weekend with their high school buddies) as the forces of good triumph once more.

GO STAGS!

And to think your going to play at Kachel gymnasium.... I mean D U M P...MY BAD..
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 28, 2012, 02:54:08 PM
Quote from: cmsme on February 28, 2012, 01:14:30 PM
Thanks for the advise. I like to eat. This all sounds good.
I guess all those dairy cows don't translate into a big steak place. :D

Not so.  You can get excellent steaks in many places.  In Whitewater I'd suggest Randys.  If you're in Madison or Janesville try the Prime Quarter.  Or in Janesville the Texas Roadhouse, in Madison the Capitol Chophouse. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on February 28, 2012, 03:37:37 PM
Quote from: Wooster Booster on February 27, 2012, 08:17:53 PM
While I'd love to see CMS avail themselves well against St. Thomas, I don't see it in the cards.  A good friend of mine is a CMS grad (years ago), so I watched good portions of several of their games this year.  The level, and style, of play out there just seems different.  Almost intramuralish.  Basketball in the midwest has gotten very physical (not that I like that, but that's the way it is), and CMS will have to adjust to that, quickly, or they're going to be in real trouble.

I hope every team CMS plays thinks of them as an intramural team.

West Coast basketball has gone soft I guess??...no physicality out here!!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 28, 2012, 04:42:08 PM
I have no idea how physical CMS or teams from the SCIAC are but MIAC and WIAC teams are on the physical side.  Depending on where the officials come from that may be an advantage.  If they're unaccustomed to the physical style of MIAC or WIAC teams that may work to the advantage of the less physical team.  If they've worked either of those leagues it generally doesn't. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on February 28, 2012, 04:56:03 PM
That's an interesting point...I would guess it would be a WIAC ref since it's at a WIAC school.

CMS has played, and beaten, several bruising teams this year including St. Olaf (one of the MIAC teams) and 3 gsac schools (NAIA D1).  NOw granted this was all earlier in the year, but I find it hard to believe that their physicality will be that far behind the MIAC or WIAC.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on February 28, 2012, 04:59:48 PM
In the SCIAC, CMS is traditionally one of the more physical teams.

In the past playing against GSAC, NWC, MIAC or UAA teams, there were very few times it felt like the opposition was more physical than us. Granted it changes from year to year, but the Stags pride themselves on being physical and gritty
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AO on February 28, 2012, 05:05:22 PM
The tommies are more pesky than physical with one exception, Josh Pella. (https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ftommiesports.com%2Fmbb%2Froster%2Fjosh_pella-web.jpg&hash=645db9001e0a08eb6942ceffd9cbb190f3f57cc6)  Saturday, the kid could have been called for a technical foul for abusing his teammates in celebration after he managed to convert an and-1.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 28, 2012, 05:11:04 PM
Quote from: Wooster Booster on February 27, 2012, 08:17:53 PM
CMS ... Almost intramuralish.

Easily one of the dumbest things ever written on this board.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on February 28, 2012, 05:20:45 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on February 28, 2012, 04:42:08 PM
I have no idea how physical CMS or teams from the SCIAC are but MIAC and WIAC teams are on the physical side.  Depending on where the officials come from that may be an advantage.  If they're unaccustomed to the physical style of MIAC or WIAC teams that may work to the advantage of the less physical team.  If they've worked either of those leagues it generally doesn't.
In football playoffs, the officials come from a neutral league.  I assume the same in basketball, but that may be harder to achieve.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on February 28, 2012, 05:29:23 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 28, 2012, 05:11:04 PM
Quote from: Wooster Booster on February 27, 2012, 08:17:53 PM
CMS ... Almost intramuralish.

Easily one of the dumbest things ever written on this board.

OxyBob

Agreed....Too bad it was a Wooster fan saying it.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DoubleDomer on February 28, 2012, 06:16:14 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on February 28, 2012, 12:25:23 PM
Quote from: DoubleDomer on February 28, 2012, 11:07:56 AM


All of that must make you feel vastly superior, DD.

"I know not seems," Badgerwarhawk.  And only to you.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 28, 2012, 07:00:47 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on February 28, 2012, 10:03:10 AM
You've forgotten to mention our Friday night fish fry, Ypsi.  You can't come to Wisconsin and skip a Friday night fish fry.   

Hear, hear!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 28, 2012, 07:13:00 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on February 28, 2012, 05:20:45 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on February 28, 2012, 04:42:08 PM
I have no idea how physical CMS or teams from the SCIAC are but MIAC and WIAC teams are on the physical side.  Depending on where the officials come from that may be an advantage.  If they're unaccustomed to the physical style of MIAC or WIAC teams that may work to the advantage of the less physical team.  If they've worked either of those leagues it generally doesn't.
In football playoffs, the officials come from a neutral league.  I assume the same in basketball, but that may be harder to achieve.

Same holds true in basketball, Urocyon cinereoargenteus. There will be no UMAC or WIAC refs doing the Northwestern @ UWW game, and no MIAC or SCIAC refs doing the CMS vs. St. Thomas game.

A safe guess is that the refs in the Williams Center this weekend will be from the Halas side of the Cheddar Curtain; there's a good chance that it'll be a CCIW crew or maybe even some downstaters who work the SLIAC. An appearance by IIAC zebras might also be in the cards this weekend in Whitewater. Or they might import a crew from the other side of the lake, since there won't be any MIAA refs doing games at DeVos this weekend, either.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: larry_u on February 28, 2012, 07:13:16 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on February 28, 2012, 05:20:45 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on February 28, 2012, 04:42:08 PM
I have no idea how physical CMS or teams from the SCIAC are but MIAC and WIAC teams are on the physical side.  Depending on where the officials come from that may be an advantage.  If they're unaccustomed to the physical style of MIAC or WIAC teams that may work to the advantage of the less physical team.  If they've worked either of those leagues it generally doesn't.
In football playoffs, the officials come from a neutral league.  I assume the same in basketball, but that may be harder to achieve.

They will be.  There are plenty of leagues in the area like the MWC, NATHCON, CCIW etc that are an easy close drive to Whitewater.  At St. Thomas last season refs were from the WIAC And the IIAC so its not hard in the midwest to find non-biased referees.  However, like said above all of the above leagues seem to mirror the WIAC and MIAC and are definitely more physical then several other conferences...
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 28, 2012, 07:19:56 PM
Quote from: larry_u on February 28, 2012, 07:13:16 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on February 28, 2012, 05:20:45 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on February 28, 2012, 04:42:08 PM
I have no idea how physical CMS or teams from the SCIAC are but MIAC and WIAC teams are on the physical side.  Depending on where the officials come from that may be an advantage.  If they're unaccustomed to the physical style of MIAC or WIAC teams that may work to the advantage of the less physical team.  If they've worked either of those leagues it generally doesn't.
In football playoffs, the officials come from a neutral league.  I assume the same in basketball, but that may be harder to achieve.

They will be.  There are plenty of leagues in the area like the MWC, NATHCON, CCIW etc that are an easy close drive to Whitewater.  At St. Thomas last season refs were from the WIAC And the IIAC so its not hard in the midwest to find non-biased referees.  However, like said above all of the above leagues seem to mirror the WIAC and MIAC and are definitely more physical then several other conferences...

Which raises an interesting question: when the NWC hosts the SCIAC in the playoffs (or, someday, the reverse) does the NCAA fly in refs from Texas or Minnesota, or something?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 28, 2012, 07:34:33 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on February 28, 2012, 07:19:56 PM
Quote from: larry_u on February 28, 2012, 07:13:16 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on February 28, 2012, 05:20:45 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on February 28, 2012, 04:42:08 PM
I have no idea how physical CMS or teams from the SCIAC are but MIAC and WIAC teams are on the physical side.  Depending on where the officials come from that may be an advantage.  If they're unaccustomed to the physical style of MIAC or WIAC teams that may work to the advantage of the less physical team.  If they've worked either of those leagues it generally doesn't.
In football playoffs, the officials come from a neutral league.  I assume the same in basketball, but that may be harder to achieve.

They will be.  There are plenty of leagues in the area like the MWC, NATHCON, CCIW etc that are an easy close drive to Whitewater.  At St. Thomas last season refs were from the WIAC And the IIAC so its not hard in the midwest to find non-biased referees.  However, like said above all of the above leagues seem to mirror the WIAC and MIAC and are definitely more physical then several other conferences...

Which raises an interesting question: when the NWC hosts the SCIAC in the playoffs (or, someday, the reverse) does the NCAA fly in refs from Texas or Minnesota, or something?

No. They obviously make exceptions for geographic isolates such as the SCIAC, NWC, and ASC. Last season's first-round game between Chapman and Redlands was reffed by three guys who work the SCIAC: Tom Nally, Ralph Schemel, and David Dangleis. (I would imagine that they do Chapman games, too.)

Remember, this is the D3 tourney we're talking about. The NCAA isn't going to spend any more money on this than it has to, and that includes putting referees on planes to officiate games in other parts of the country that already have plenty of refs that live within driving distance of the gym.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CalCat on February 28, 2012, 08:05:05 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 28, 2012, 07:13:00 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on February 28, 2012, 05:20:45 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on February 28, 2012, 04:42:08 PM
I have no idea how physical CMS or teams from the SCIAC are but MIAC and WIAC teams are on the physical side.  Depending on where the officials come from that may be an advantage.  If they're unaccustomed to the physical style of MIAC or WIAC teams that may work to the advantage of the less physical team.  If they've worked either of those leagues it generally doesn't.
In football playoffs, the officials come from a neutral league.  I assume the same in basketball, but that may be harder to achieve.



Same holds true in basketball, Urocyon cinereoargenteus. There will be no UMAC or WIAC refs doing the Northwestern @ UWW game, and no MIAC or SCIAC refs doing the CMS vs. St. Thomas game.

A safe guess is that the refs in the Williams Center this weekend will be from the Halas side of the Cheddar Curtain; there's a good chance that it'll be a CCIW crew or maybe even some downstaters who work the SLIAC. An appearance by IIAC zebras might also be in the cards this weekend in Whitewater. Or they might import a crew from the other side of the lake, since there won't be any MIAA refs doing games at DeVos this weekend, either.

G.S. I think the real question the CMS guys want answered is...will any be "Bald Schmuck Putz" (officals)  ;D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 28, 2012, 08:07:00 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 28, 2012, 07:34:33 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on February 28, 2012, 07:19:56 PM
Quote from: larry_u on February 28, 2012, 07:13:16 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on February 28, 2012, 05:20:45 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on February 28, 2012, 04:42:08 PM
I have no idea how physical CMS or teams from the SCIAC are but MIAC and WIAC teams are on the physical side.  Depending on where the officials come from that may be an advantage.  If they're unaccustomed to the physical style of MIAC or WIAC teams that may work to the advantage of the less physical team.  If they've worked either of those leagues it generally doesn't.
In football playoffs, the officials come from a neutral league.  I assume the same in basketball, but that may be harder to achieve.

They will be.  There are plenty of leagues in the area like the MWC, NATHCON, CCIW etc that are an easy close drive to Whitewater.  At St. Thomas last season refs were from the WIAC And the IIAC so its not hard in the midwest to find non-biased referees.  However, like said above all of the above leagues seem to mirror the WIAC and MIAC and are definitely more physical then several other conferences...

Which raises an interesting question: when the NWC hosts the SCIAC in the playoffs (or, someday, the reverse) does the NCAA fly in refs from Texas or Minnesota, or something?

No. They obviously make exceptions for geographic isolates such as the SCIAC, NWC, and ASC. Last season's first-round game between Chapman and Redlands was reffed by three guys who work the SCIAC: Tom Nally, Ralph Schemel, and David Dangleis. (I would imagine that they do Chapman games, too.)

Remember, this is the D3 tourney we're talking about. The NCAA isn't going to spend any more money on this than it has to, and that includes putting referees on planes to officiate games in other parts of the country that already have plenty of refs that live within driving distance of the gym.

Thanks, Greg.  That was my suspicion, but I did wonder.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 29, 2012, 01:33:49 PM
Thanks to a generous donation from the UW-WHITEWATER chancellor's office there will be live webcasts of all three regional games played this weekend.  You can find the link here:

http://uwwsports.com/sports/2012/2/27/MBBALL_0227125609.aspx?id=726
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cmsme on February 29, 2012, 03:45:15 PM
nice. :)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DoubleDomer on February 29, 2012, 10:25:20 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on February 29, 2012, 01:33:49 PM
Thanks to a generous donation from the UW-WHITEWATER chancellor's office there will be live webcasts of all three regional games played this weekend.  You can find the link here:

http://uwwsports.com/sports/2012/2/27/MBBALL_0227125609.aspx?id=726

Presumably thanks will also be extended to the taxpayers of the State of Wisconsin, who last year provided $980 million in general purpose revenue to the giant sucking sound known as the UW System, and who annually underwrite the UWW Chancellor's generosity.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 01, 2012, 09:19:31 AM
ROTFLMAO

Thank you taxpayers.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DoubleDomer on March 01, 2012, 10:16:42 AM
You've got a strange sense of humor, dude.  But that's about what I'd expect from somebody who lives off the taxpayer dole and then complains about how times are hard when he can only afford TWO artificial surface fields and the Taj Mahal of D3 football locker rooms, and so forth--and then still makes it all look ugly.  You see, in the SCIAC, we would consider it a "gift" if some hard-working alumnus stepped up and paid for a video board or stadium improvements or webcasting out of his or her own pocket.  But in the WIAC, y'all consider it a "gift" when the Chancellor dips into the billion-dollar river of cash that Wisconsin provides the System and sprinkles a few dollars on a webcast.  Of course, maybe that's just your idea of the difference between "bubbler" and "water fountain."
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 01, 2012, 10:30:55 AM

Actually the money to pay for the webcast came from the chancellor's wallet and the overwhelming majority of money to pay for the athletic fields project was privately raised.  Next time you're at Fleet Farm buy a clue, dude.   
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GBMAN on March 01, 2012, 10:42:18 AM
Quote from: DoubleDomer on February 29, 2012, 10:25:20 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on February 29, 2012, 01:33:49 PM
Thanks to a generous donation from the UW-WHITEWATER chancellor's office there will be live webcasts of all three regional games played this weekend.  You can find the link here:

http://uwwsports.com/sports/2012/2/27/MBBALL_0227125609.aspx?id=726

Presumably thanks will also be extended to the taxpayers of the State of Wisconsin, who last year provided $980 million in general purpose revenue to the giant sucking sound known as the UW System, and who annually underwrite the UWW Chancellor's generosity.

GO HAWKS
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GBMAN on March 01, 2012, 10:46:12 AM
Quote from: DoubleDomer on March 01, 2012, 10:16:42 AM
You've got a strange sense of humor, dude.  But that's about what I'd expect from somebody who lives off the taxpayer dole and then complains about how times are hard when he can only afford TWO artificial surface fields and the Taj Mahal of D3 football locker rooms, and so forth--and then still makes it all look ugly.  You see, in the SCIAC, we would consider it a "gift" if some hard-working alumnus stepped up and paid for a video board or stadium improvements or webcasting out of his or her own pocket.  But in the WIAC, y'all consider it a "gift" when the Chancellor dips into the billion-dollar river of cash that Wisconsin provides the System and sprinkles a few dollars on a webcast.  Of course, maybe that's just your idea of the difference between "bubbler" and "water fountain."

There are UW-Whitewater alums that step up to the plate and donate... A few years ago, a former UW-Whitewater baseball player donated $250,000.00 of his own money to have lights installed at  James Miller baseball stadium... In order to host a regional, this field had to have lights... That alum, stepped up to the plate and donated..
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GBMAN on March 01, 2012, 12:19:11 PM
Winter Storm Watch issued
By GAZETTE STAFF   Thursday, March 1, 2012 - 11:12 a.m.


From the National Weather Service:

The National Weather Service in Milwaukee/Sullivan has issued a Winter Storm Watch, which is in effect Friday afternoon through Friday evening.

Rain or a light mix is expected Friday morning in the southeast. Heavy snow should develop across much of south central and southeast Wisconsin during the afternoon and continuing through the evening.

In the far southeast a rain/snow mix may linger a bit longer, from Milwaukee and Janesville south.

Snow accumulations of 4 to 8 inches are expected.

Deteriorating travel conditions are expected from the heavy snow.

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on March 01, 2012, 01:42:56 PM
What is "snow"?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 01, 2012, 03:19:18 PM
Quote from: DoubleDomer on March 01, 2012, 10:16:42 AMthe Taj Mahal of D3 football locker rooms

There's a woman buried beneath the UWW football locker room?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on March 01, 2012, 04:20:25 PM
My 2cents on the St Thomas team:

I got a chance to watch the St. Thomas vs Gustavus Adolphus MIAC tournament championship and had a few takeaways:

Overall, they are a well coached, fundamental, physical team. They play hard and guard the ball full court. While they may have lost their big man earlier in the year, they have rallied around the rest of the squad and really played well the last half of the year. Going 16-4 in the MIAC is no small feat, especially after having arguably your best player go down. This is comparable to the Stags going 11-3 last year after losing Blees.

Offensively, it looks like their stock offense is a swing type offense where bigs and littles interchange on the wings and block. It seems like they start with a standard 4out 1in, and initiate the offense with guard to guard pass with flex screen. Wing who gets to the block then up screens in a swing type fashion for strong side guard. From there, they look to get a mismatch on the block and play off there. They have great weakside action with usually on cutter and then either a screening pair or a fullback-halfback cutter and they look to attack of the post pass out. The same set allows them to skip the flex and start with a UCLA cut where they give the wing a chance to attack baseline while the UCLA screen is developing. With that you create wing iso with help having to come from the weakside wing if the defender gets beat baseline. So, you need to either force middle or just guard the man 1 on 1 and not let him beat you baseline.

Another interesting fold they have for end of shotclock situations is a freethrow line screen roll. This tends to put alot of stress on the defense and forces you to help quick or simply blow up the screen with the guard forcing the offensive player above the screen and controlling the dribbler. I saw on multiple occasions they hit the screener for layups after he seals the guard on the screen. It was surprisingly effective considering the limited spacing.

This does not predispose them from shooting the 3 though. They shoot around 39% as a team and shoot 14 3s a game. It seems like they are not afraid to shoot the 3 in transition too, especially if Deberg is bringing the ball up and the defender is playing toes below 3.

Defensively, the Tommies remind me alot of CMS. They are physical, guard you man to man, and make you finish over bodies. I was extremely impressed with their helpside. Their rotations were spot on and anytime a guard got past the initial Tommie defender, there was another guy ready to take a charge or force a difficult shot. This will be key for Blees as he will need to jumpstop short and pass off the double team or shoot a short jumper. They are a very good physical unit on defense and the Stags will be tested, especially the guards. They pick up 94 feet and are opportunistically looking for trap opportunities. With it though, they are disciplined and keep guys infront of them. I wouldn't be surprised if they try and trap the Stags from the outset and see how they handle the pressure.


Will look at the St Thomas player by player in a post to come
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on March 01, 2012, 04:23:54 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on March 01, 2012, 03:19:18 PM
Quote from: DoubleDomer on March 01, 2012, 10:16:42 AMthe Taj Mahal of D3 football locker rooms

There's a woman buried beneath the UWW football locker room?

And, this in frigid Wisconsin,  a shallow reflecting pool instead of shower stalls? Ouch!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 01, 2012, 04:51:32 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on March 01, 2012, 04:23:54 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on March 01, 2012, 03:19:18 PM
Quote from: DoubleDomer on March 01, 2012, 10:16:42 AMthe Taj Mahal of D3 football locker rooms

There's a woman buried beneath the UWW football locker room?

And, this in frigid Wisconsin,  a shallow reflecting pool instead of shower stalls? Ouch!

If you ask someone from Wisconsin about the building where the Moguls are located, you'll get directed to the ski lodge at Devil's Head.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CMSfan on March 01, 2012, 07:37:21 PM
Quote from: stag44 on March 01, 2012, 04:20:25 PM
My 2cents on the St Thomas team
This is great! Thanks for doing the research and taking the time to share your thoughts. It's nice to have something to read to fill the void before game time!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on March 01, 2012, 08:44:08 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 28, 2012, 05:11:04 PM
Quote from: Wooster Booster on February 27, 2012, 08:17:53 PM
CMS ... Almost intramuralish.
Easily one of the dumbest things ever written on this board.

OxyBob

Well, I suppose we'll see.  In watching pieces of several of CMS's games, I was surprised at the lack of contact on ballhandlers on the perimeter, the way players were allowed to make their cuts without being bumped, blocked, or shoved, and how prospective offensive rebounders actually respected the defensive player's position and didn't run over them.  That's not the way it is in D3 in the midwest, but it's the way I remember basketball being fifty years ago when I played...intramurals.  I'm not saying that CMS isn't tough, or capable of playing that style.  But in my opinion they're going to have to adjust quickly or they'll be in trouble.   
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on March 01, 2012, 09:33:27 PM
Wooster Booster:

From the games that I have seen, most of the ref's in SoCal don't let the players play the game, and feel that the game is all about them. I am used to the Midwest ref's that let a little hand-checking go as part of the game. With so few colleges around here, most of the ref's call it like a high school game. Good ref's are in the minority. The other problem is the consistancy among the 3 ref's in the same game.


CMS hopefully will learn fast that contact will be a part of the game in the Midwest.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on March 02, 2012, 07:55:50 AM
Quote from: dahlby on March 01, 2012, 09:33:27 PM
Wooster Booster:

From the games that I have seen, most of the ref's in SoCal don't let the players play the game, and feel that the game is all about them. I am used to the Midwest ref's that let a little hand-checking go as part of the game. With so few colleges around here, most of the ref's call it like a high school game. Good ref's are in the minority. The other problem is the consistancy among the 3 ref's in the same game.


CMS hopefully will learn fast that contact will be a part of the game in the Midwest.

Nice observation. In fact, a decent amount of the refs that do SCIAC games also ref local HS games. On the other side of it, for CMS-PP games they usually draw D1 refs, which is why those games seem far more physical. I think that given the Stags have played in that rivalry game 2 out of the last 3 games, they will be more prepared for the type of physicality that is allowed by the referees.

My preview coming up shortly..
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cmsme on March 02, 2012, 11:48:04 AM
Stag44 love your comment. See you at the game!

Liney  Cougan beer and fried cheese cords were great.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etule on March 02, 2012, 11:54:15 AM
I agrre with Wooster on the physical play in the SCIAC
Quote from: CMSfan on March 01, 2012, 07:37:21 PM
Quote from: stag44 on March 01, 2012, 04:20:25 PM
My 2cents on the St Thomas team
This is great! Thanks for doing the research and taking the time to share your thoughts. It's nice to have something to read to fill the void before game time!
CMS is capable of being pretty physical I think Blees likes it that way! St Thomas is a very good team! They will not beat themselves! Tough match up for CMS but I'm hoping they win!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hoopsallthetime on March 02, 2012, 12:43:47 PM
Quote from: stag44 on March 02, 2012, 07:55:50 AM
Quote from: dahlby on March 01, 2012, 09:33:27 PM
Wooster Booster:

From the games that I have seen, most of the ref's in SoCal don't let the players play the game, and feel that the game is all about them. I am used to the Midwest ref's that let a little hand-checking go as part of the game. With so few colleges around here, most of the ref's call it like a high school game. Good ref's are in the minority. The other problem is the consistancy among the 3 ref's in the same game.


CMS hopefully will learn fast that contact will be a part of the game in the Midwest.

Nice observation. In fact, a decent amount of the refs that do SCIAC games also ref local HS games. On the other side of it, for CMS-PP games they usually draw D1 refs, which is why those games seem far more physical. I think that given the Stags have played in that rivalry game 2 out of the last 3 games, they will be more prepared for the type of physicality that is allowed by the referees.

My preview coming up shortly..

Being from the Midwest and playing college basketball as well in Kansas, believe me when I say this...CMS will be up for the challenge when it comes to the physical part of the game. Coach Scalmanini's practices are one of the toughest practices I have ever seen. As a player if you don't come ready to practice ready to get hit in some way, then you will end up watching practice from the sidlines. Coach Scalmanini teaches his players to not allow a player to cut through the lane without being bumped,shoved, or even chucked. This type of physical play you will see tonight when cutters go through the lane against the Stag Defense. Ask STAG44 how many injuries or bruises he was given every day at practice. Hell... he  tore his ACL and MCL on a defensive rebounding drill where contact was preached! 
My only hope tonight is that St. Thomas looks at CMS as pretty boys from California who love to play Intramural Ball, because they will find out real quick how mean and nasty the CMS defense can really be when allowed to play physical. Our HS officials out here just don't let us play that physical...sad but true.

Look for Blees, Maceira, and Gaffeney to have big games tonight! I think it will be close, but I hope CMS pulls away in the second half behind Blees! Score St. Thomas 67- Stags 72

Good Luck GUYS!!!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etule on March 02, 2012, 02:26:57 PM
I hope CMS wins also but I guareenee St Thomas is a very tough minded team. This could be a good one!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GBMAN on March 02, 2012, 03:43:09 PM
Heavy snow in the Whitewater area....
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: (509)Rat on March 02, 2012, 04:42:22 PM
Good luck CMS! Of course I am selfishly rooting for the stags and UWRF...only chance Whitworth has of hosting any games!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: (509)Rat on March 02, 2012, 08:30:00 PM
Poop. Dumb foul gave St. Thomas FT's with 9 seconds left in a tie game. Prayer thrown up at the buzzer isn't answered. Too bad too since CMS was really controlling the game throughout.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on March 02, 2012, 08:31:00 PM
rough loss for CMS...looks like they lost energy/focus in the second half.  Great game from Blees.

That ugly dude on St. Thomas sure gave them fits on the boards.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldchap on March 02, 2012, 09:44:30 PM
I watched the game and was really hoping against hope that the SCIAC would win one or two post-season games on the road. It just didn't happen and I'm sorry to say, the better team lost tonight. Claremont was clearly in charge throughout most of the game. But it came down to some poor choices towards the end, especially on the offensive end. For instance, Blees isn't a 3-pt shooter (he made 5 for 22 in the entire season) and yet shot two when the game was on the line. He didn't have to. A dribble-penetration would have been better. Also, I have to admit that I'm not really familiar with this year's Stags team, but doesn't Claremont have a point guard? Why was Blees bringing the ball up the court on most possessions? I think that was a poor choice too. The guy is amazing, but he can't do everything. That doesn't place the team in a good position to set their offense.

I'm really sorry for the players and for the coach, who I respect very much. However, I keep shaking my head when I see that CMS blew a 14-point lead in the last 5 minutes of the game.

I tip my hat however to an outstanding season. And there is always next year!

Peace.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CMSfan on March 02, 2012, 09:57:44 PM
Disappointing end to a great season. Looking forward to seeing how the Stags adjust to life post-Blees next year.  Fortunately the backcourt is rock-solid and word on the street is that help is coming down low.

I'm glad baseball season is starting up...helps fill the void left every year when CMS basketball ends.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AO on March 02, 2012, 10:08:11 PM
Quote from: oldchap on March 02, 2012, 09:44:30 PM
I watched the game and was really hoping against hope that the SCIAC would win one or two post-season games on the road. It just didn't happen and I'm sorry to say, the better team lost tonight.
The better team is not the defending champions who just won on a neutral floor? 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DIIIghetto on March 03, 2012, 12:47:44 AM
Been gone from this Board for years.  Periodically checked back in to see if any of my SCIAC squads can give us some national cred.  Thought this year could have been it.  Scali's squad looked ripe for it.  They finally got away from the Land of the Losses in Spokanistan.  Instead, headed out to play a tough team on a neutral court.  Best player in the conference.  Knocking on the door of the top ten.  Plenty of upperclassmen.  Plenty of motivation (did some guy really equate the SCIAC here to intramurals??  please tell me Scali had that on his whiteboard before the game).  This HAD to be the year. 

Not to be.  No consolation in an OT loss.  One and done.  Back to my hole. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: (509)Rat on March 03, 2012, 01:18:51 AM
Quote from: AO on March 02, 2012, 10:08:11 PM
Quote from: oldchap on March 02, 2012, 09:44:30 PM
I watched the game and was really hoping against hope that the SCIAC would win one or two post-season games on the road. It just didn't happen and I'm sorry to say, the better team lost tonight.
The better team is not the defending champions who just won on a neutral floor?

Stick around on the SCIAC boards long enough and you learn to dismiss these kinds of posts. Excuses are like buttholes...these guys have a lot of buttholes ::)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BBallJunkie81 on March 03, 2012, 01:33:00 AM
It is unfortunate that a great SCIAC season ends with another disappointing showing in the tourney.  This will lead to another, and for good reason, year of disrespect for SCIAC teams at the national level.  Here's hoping that next year's SCIAC tournament champion is strong enough to make some noise at the national level.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 03, 2012, 08:04:39 AM
Quote from: etule on March 02, 2012, 11:54:15 AM
I agrre with Wooster on the physical play in the SCIAC
Quote from: CMSfan on March 01, 2012, 07:37:21 PM
Quote from: stag44 on March 01, 2012, 04:20:25 PM
My 2cents on the St Thomas team
This is great! Thanks for doing the research and taking the time to share your thoughts. It's nice to have something to read to fill the void before game time!
CMS is capable of being pretty physical I think Blees likes it that way! St Thomas is a very good team! They will not beat themselves! Tough match up for CMS but I'm hoping they win!

This was one thing that I didn't really expect.  The officiating crew was from the WIAC so play was physical.  Overall I thought CMS was the more physical of the two particularly in the first half when it seemed they were pushing St Thomas around.  I don't mean pushing in a literal sense just that they were clearly more physical.

#15 was a solid player.  He really did a lot of things for the Staggs.

Congrats on your season and good luck in the future.  You didn't have a lot of fans but they were really behind the team. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on March 03, 2012, 10:21:38 AM
Quote from: DIIIghetto on March 03, 2012, 12:47:44 AM
Not to be.  No consolation in an OT loss.  One and done.  Back to my hole.

Up 13 with 13-1/2 minutes to go and couldn't lock it up. Ugh. Still, not bad for an intramural team.

Great season, Claremont. Safe travels home.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CMSfan on March 03, 2012, 12:31:48 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on March 03, 2012, 10:21:38 AM
Up 13 with 13-1/2 minutes to go and couldn't lock it up.

Probably the most frustrating thing about CMS this year...squandering double digit second half leads and making seemingly every game a nailbiter. I hope the returners learn from this year and come into next year with a killer instinct and an ability to keep their opponents down when they get a comfortable lead.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etule on March 03, 2012, 03:14:23 PM
Cms is a very good team! Like I said St Thomas will not beat themselves ! Next year CMS has some huge holes to fill! Blees is very hard to replace! The coaching is good so they are always tough! I was rooting for them to win for sure!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 04, 2012, 10:41:42 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on March 03, 2012, 10:21:38 AM
Quote from: DIIIghetto on March 03, 2012, 12:47:44 AM
Not to be.  No consolation in an OT loss.  One and done.  Back to my hole.

Still, not bad for an intramural team.

OxyBob


No one in WHITEWATER mistook you for a intramural team. 

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cmsme on March 04, 2012, 10:54:30 AM
The agony of defeat. I am still rolling around trying to recover.
It seemed the stars were aligned--but no.  :'( Such is sports. So much more fun to win.

I did learn that it is possible--CMS, P-P, Whittier could have beat St. Thomas.
UW Whitewater looked good so I regret we didn't have a chance to test ourselves against them.
These schools have 8,000-10,000 students and are very serious about their sports--judging by their athletic facilities.
But it is possible to make a run.  Good Luck to CMS and the SCIAC in the future.

Other than LOOSING, it was a good trip. We had a snow storm the night of the game. 6" of snow I think.
Going back to the hotel, we drove thru these beautiful snowy fields. It felt like we were in the middle of nowhere.

My son is graduating, so goodbye. :)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CMSfan on March 04, 2012, 12:27:13 PM
Quote from: cmsme on March 04, 2012, 10:54:30 AM
My son is graduating, so goodbye. :)

We'll miss you! You're always welcome.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on March 04, 2012, 12:52:20 PM
Good luck to you and your son. I hope you stop by periodically at least with a post or two. I always enjoyed you comments. Plus K to you.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 04, 2012, 02:56:41 PM
Quote from: dahlby on March 04, 2012, 12:52:20 PM
Good luck to you and your son. I hope you stop by periodically at least with a post or two. I always enjoyed you comments. Plus K to you.

I agree. I hope you at least keep reading, cmsme.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 04, 2012, 03:34:08 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on March 04, 2012, 02:56:41 PM
Quote from: dahlby on March 04, 2012, 12:52:20 PM
Good luck to you and your son. I hope you stop by periodically at least with a post or two. I always enjoyed you comments. Plus K to you.

I agree. I hope you at least keep reading, cmsme.

Agreed with what everything said above. Your son will always be part of that program, cmsme, and there's no reason you can't continue to follow them.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on March 04, 2012, 09:51:55 PM
Quote from: cmsme on March 04, 2012, 10:54:30 AM
My son is graduating, so goodbye.

It was a real pleasure to watch your son play, along with Blees and Maceira. Best of luck to all of them in their future endeavors.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cmsme on March 04, 2012, 10:07:40 PM
I feel the love! Thank you.
:-*
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on March 08, 2012, 03:35:27 PM
Hats off to CMS this year - took me a little bit to get over the Loss in Wisconsin.

Being at the game and seeing them play, I really thought they were going to win it, but give credit to St. Thomas. They wore down the Stags and made big shots at the end of the game.

Congrats to Blees, Maciera and Anderson on finishing off stellar careers. Between the 3 of them, there are 3 SCIAC POYs, 3 1st team nods, and 2 2nd team nods as well as a Ducey award winner. Very impressive graduating class. Most importantly they have great jobs coming out of the school as well!

Stags are bringing back some interesting pieces, but will need to reload their front court. With Gaffeney, Pinson, Grodahl, Mivshek and Sullivan returning, they will have scoring from the perimeter, but will need muscle and defense from their 4 and 5 man next year.

Stay tuned... GO STAGS
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on March 14, 2012, 04:48:17 PM
The 2011-12 D3hoops.com West All-Region teams were announced. Congratulations to Claremont's Chris Blees for being named to the first team all-region, and to Cal Lutheran's Aaron Van Klaveren for being named to the second team.

http://www.d3hoops.com/awards/all-region/2011-12/west-men

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BBallJunkie81 on March 15, 2012, 12:18:33 AM
BBallJunkie81's 2011-12 SCIAC Awards - By the Numbers

I am a big believer in basketball being a team sport.  Individual stats are great, but I am far more interested on how the team stats are affected with players in and out of the lineup.  What I mean is that even though a player may average 30pts per game, it is far more relevant to winning a game when looking how the team scores, not the individual.  Stats like these are not straight forward to calculate because you have to know which players are in when a stat occurs.  But, with the magic of computers, we can analyze the game data to calculate how team stats are affected by individual players being in and out of the lineup.  Furthermore, you can normalize this data by calculating the rate of these stats when a particular player is in and out.  The difference between the rate of the stats when a player is in and out is a good determinant of the impact a player makes on the team .  Before naming the players who may not have received recognition for the positive impact they had on the team, let me congratulate the SCIAC All-Conference Award winners:

Player of the Year: Chris Blees, CMS
Newcomer of the Year:  Jack Klukas, Pomona
Ted Ducey Award: Joey Anderson, CMS

First Team
•   Aaron Van Klaveren, Cal Lutheran
•   Jack Klukas, Pomona
•   Nathan Easterman, Whittier
•   Jack Colston, Redlands
•   Tyler Gaffaney, CMS
•   Mani Maceira, CMS

Second Team
•   Trevor Woodland, LaVerne
•   Greg Preer, Whittier
•   Tristan Kirk, Redlands
•   Michael Edwards, Cal Tech
•   Deshun McCoy, Occidental
•   Drew Menez, Whittier

Also, just looking at individual stats, we find the following players led their respective team in scoring:
•   Trevor Woodland, LaVerne
•   Drew Menez, Whittier
•   Chris Blees, CMS
•   Deshun McCoy, Occidental
•   Aaron Van Klaveren, Cal Lutheran
•   Michael Edwards, Cal Tech
•   Jack Colston, Redlands
•   Michael Cohen, Pomona

All, but one, recognized in the all-conference awards.

Now, for the interesting stats, which players had the biggest impact on team stats while on the floor? Is there a player who, when on the floor, the team increased its lead the most?  Is there a player who, when in the game, improved the offensive output of the team the most?  Kept the other team from scoring?  Crunching SCIAC game data allows us to identify the players who made the biggest team difference when they were on the floor (team rather than individual stats).

Scoring (team scores at highest rate when this player is on the floor)
•   Jeremy Lay, La Verne
•   Drew Menez, Whittier
•   Josiah Brensdal, Redlands
•   Jayvaughn Nettles, Cal Lutheran
•   Michael Cohen, Pomona
•   Remy Pinson, CMS
•   Jake Copithorne, Occidental
•   Joel Bryan, Caltech

Defense (opponent scores at lowest rate when this player is on the floor)
•   Kirk Tristan, Redlands
•   Aaron Van Klaveren, Cal Lutheran
•   Deshun McCoy, Occidental
•   Mani Maceira, CMS
•   Austin Napolitano, La Verne
•   Jake Klewer, Pomona
•   Jordan Ramos, Whittier
•   Ethan Boroson, CalTech

Interesting how, other than Drew Menez (Whittier) and Michael Cohen (Pomona), the court presence of a non-leading scorer was responsible for the team scoring at its highest rate!  Congratulations to these players for doing little things which don't show up on the individual stat sheet but give their teams the best chance to win.

Following are miscellaneous awards for players who topped the SCIAC in the difference between them in the lineup vs on the bench.  The players were not necessarily responsible for the stats, but the team's stat rate improved most when they were on the floor:
•   Jeremy Lay, La Verne: Field goals made
•   Mychal Estrada, Redlands: 3's made
•   Michael Cohen, Pomona: FTs made
•   Michael Cohen, Pomona:  getting to the free-throw line
•   Greg Preer, Whittier: Rebounds
•   Deshun McCoy, Occidental: Blocks
•   Kirk Tristan, Redlands: Steals
•   Kirk Tristan, Redlands: Assists
•   Chris Blees, CMS: Turnovers (least)
•   Greg Preer, Whittier: Field goals attempted
•   Josiah Brensdal, Redlands: Field goal percentage improved
•   Jordan Ramos, Whittier: Forcing turnovers
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etule on March 15, 2012, 03:39:07 PM
What a great post! There is no doubt that All Conference/All Region teams are all about points. The rest of the stats for the most part are not taken into consideration! I think that leagues should have All Defense teams!

I'm a computer dinosaur but the D3 folks could sure do what you just did! And the leagues could sure do what you just did then the players who contribute would get recognised for things other that just points!

Big Karma to you great job!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cmsme on April 02, 2012, 10:11:32 AM
Just got back from end of season Basketball banquet. It was a nice feeling.

SCIAC article  :)

March 29, 2012
Claremont-Mudd-Scripps' Scalmanini A Finalist For National Coach Of The Year

Men's basketball coach Ken Scalmanini is one of the 10 finalists for the Glenn Robinson National Coach of the Year Award.  Scalmanini led the Stags this season to a team record 25 wins (versus a team record low of three losses) and their fourth consecutive SCIAC title.  CMS also won the SCIAC Tournament title for the third time in four years.  The Stags, who opened the season with a team record 15 consecutive wins, lost in overtime to the defending national champions in the NCAA Championships.

Scalmanini, who just completed his 14th year as head coach, is 240-120 (.667) overall in his career.  He is 145-51 (.740) in SCIAC play and his teams have won six SCIAC titles.

The Glenn Robinson Award, which is presented annually to the top Division III basketball coach, is named in honor of the Franklin & Marshall head coach. With 805 wins, Robinson is currently twelfth on the all-time wins list. He has taken F&M to NCAA Division III tournament 22 times. Robinson guided the Diplomats to the Division III Final Four in 1979, 1991, 1996, 2000 and 2009. This season, he picked up his 23rd 21-plus win season.

The winner will be announced at the CollegeInsider.com awards banquet on March 30 in New Orleans, the site of the men's NCAA Basketball Championship.

2012 GLENN ROBINSON AWARD FINALISTS




Larry Anderson


Massachusetts Institute of Technology




Jeff Brown


Middlebury College




Ken DeWeese


University of Mary Hardin Baylor




David Hixon


Amherst College




Marcus Kahn


Cabrini College




Brian Lane


Transylvania University




Pat Miller


University of Wisconsin-Whitewater




Mitch Oliver


Albertus Magnus College




Matt Neil


Hope College




Ken Scalmanini


Claremont-Mudd-Scripps

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on April 02, 2012, 07:59:44 PM
Sorry, but the SCIAC office was way behind on that one. Matt Neil of Hope has already won the Glenn Robinson Award. It was announced in the MIAA room last week.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cmsme on April 23, 2012, 02:00:46 PM
How about Trevor Woodlands being on the D3hoops.com All Star Team?!
It may be old news, but Congratulations.
I thought he was very good but there didn't seem to be a lot of talk about him so I am surprised.
Good Luck.  :)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DoubleDomer on May 09, 2012, 10:35:08 AM
With what appear to be all the numbers on the board, it looks like CMS has captured its 4th straight SCIAC combined all-sports trophy, outpacing Redlands by a commanding 21 points.*

Go Stags.



*Given CMC's involvement, reported numbers may be inflated.

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on May 09, 2012, 12:24:03 PM
I found the standings for the all sports trophy on the SCIAC web site, but can't find the point value ...can someone assist me with the balance of the info? Thanks.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CMSfan on May 09, 2012, 10:31:43 PM
Quote from: DoubleDomer on May 09, 2012, 10:35:08 AM
*Given CMC's involvement, reported numbers may be inflated.

Yet, still a cut above the rest, no?   ;)

Quote from: dahlby on May 09, 2012, 12:24:03 PM
I found the standings for the all sports trophy on the SCIAC web site, but can't find the point value ...can someone assist me with the balance of the info? Thanks.

Is this what you're looking for? http://www.thesciac.org/information/allsports/2011-12/index (http://www.thesciac.org/information/allsports/2011-12/index)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on May 31, 2012, 12:12:12 PM
Hope you don't mind a break in the action, as it were, but I want to share a story the D3 community should know about. You actually may have seen the story on the front page of D3hoops.com, but just in case:

A Goucher basketball player has been paralyzed in a freak accident. He was wrestling around with a friend one morning in his dorm building when he landed on his neck. The entire story is here (http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2012/05/goucher-player-paralyzed).

He was released from the hospital to the Kennedy Krieger Institute for rehab shortly after that article was posted last week. However, over the weekend he was sent back to the hospital when he apparently had trouble breathing. Now he awaits a return to the rehab facility, probably any day if he hasn't been released already.

Please keep Damone Brooks, his family, the Goucher basketball team(s), and Goucher community in your thoughts, hearts, and prayers. The family certainly needs help with medical bills as well, so if you feel inclined, please consider them as well.

To follow his progress online, click here (http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/damonebrooks).
And to consider a donation, click here (http://www.helphopelive.org/find-a-patient/profile/index.cfm/patient/FE0B84F4-C845-2122-B07EA3093EFAF336).

Thank you for taking the time to read this. Please feel free to contact me with any questions.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Just Bill on June 18, 2012, 12:34:05 PM
Mark Miller reports the finalists for the UW-Oshkosh job are..

https://twitter.com/WisBBYearbook/status/213662974437629952

Tim Gaubatz (assistant UW-Oshkosh)
Aaron Aanonsen (head coach Lakeland College)
Pat Juckem (head coach Coe College)
Richard Reed (head coach LaVerne University)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: madzillagd on June 19, 2012, 11:10:31 AM
Former CLU coach Mike Dunlap is reported by multiple sources to be the new coach of the Charlotte Bobcats.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/8070083/charlotte-bobcats-hire-st-john-red-storms-assistant-mike-dunlap-coach-school-confirms
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on June 19, 2012, 11:46:08 AM
Quote from: madzillagd on June 19, 2012, 11:10:31 AM
Former CLU coach Mike Dunlap is reported by multiple sources to be the new coach of the Charlotte Bobcats.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/8070083/charlotte-bobcats-hire-st-john-red-storms-assistant-mike-dunlap-coach-school-confirms
I remember watching his teams.  They didn't even mention this in the article.  He also coached in Australia as I recall.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on July 12, 2012, 07:22:34 PM
WHOA!

http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/public/NCAA/Resources/Latest+News/2012/June/California+Institute+of+Technology+cited+for+lack+of+institutional+control

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on July 12, 2012, 08:06:52 PM
"Caltech found the violations when the current director of athletics recommended a review of academic records of all 2010-11 student-athletes. When the review revealed eight student-athletes competed while ineligible, Caltech expanded the review of records to previous years. The sports affected include: men's water polo; men's and women's fencing; men's soccer; men's basketball; baseball; men's tennis; women's track and cross country; men's track; and women's swimming and diving.

The penalties include:

    Public reprimand and censure.
    Three years of probation from July 12, 2012, through July 11, 2015.
    A 2012-13 postseason ban for the sports of men's and women's track and field; men's and women's cross country; women's swimming; baseball; men's and women's fencing; men's soccer; men's water polo; men's basketball; and men's and women's tennis. The ban extends to all the annual exemptions of Bylaw 17.1.4.5 and is further detailed in the public report. (Self-imposed by the university)
    Vacation of all wins and individual records earned when ineligible student-athletes participated. (Self-imposed by the university)
    A financial penalty of $5,000. (Self-imposed by the university)
    Elimination of off-campus recruiting activities for the 2012-13 academic year. (Self-imposed by the university)"

Does this mean the basketball victory over Oxy doesn't count? :-X
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 12, 2012, 08:26:56 PM
It doesn't specify the games but if the issue is the first three weeks of the semester, I believe Oxy is out of luck.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on July 12, 2012, 08:32:49 PM
WOW!!!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on July 12, 2012, 09:33:19 PM
I wonder what they will do to Penn State. ::)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on July 12, 2012, 10:15:10 PM
It's like a scoutmaster being led out of a biker bar in handcuffs on an assault-and-battery charge.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on July 12, 2012, 10:42:37 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on July 12, 2012, 09:33:19 PM
I wonder what they will do to Penn State. ::)

I would hope that the NCAA does nothing.  This is WAY beyond NCAA jurisdiction!

But Penn State is in deep doo-doo, with prison sentences for a whole lot of administrators.  Athletically, they may suddenly become Northwestern, if potential recruits (or their parents) give a sh*t about kids.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on July 13, 2012, 02:00:01 AM
"the win" stands...see article:  http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2012/07/12/caltech-athletics-hit-with-ncaa-sanctions/
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on July 13, 2012, 10:42:30 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on July 12, 2012, 10:42:37 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on July 12, 2012, 09:33:19 PM
I wonder what they will do to Penn State. ::)

I would hope that the NCAA does nothing.  This is WAY beyond NCAA jurisdiction!

But Penn State is in deep doo-doo, with prison sentences for a whole lot of administrators.  Athletically, they may suddenly become Northwestern, if potential recruits (or their parents) give a sh*t about kids.

Actually it is very much within the NCAA's jurisdiction as well as the Big 10 Conference.  PSU had already been given a letter of inquiry back in Nov of 2011.  http://www.ncaa.com/content/ncaa-letter-penn-state

PSU was supposed to respond by last Dec.  The NCAA and Big 10 have both been waiting for the Freeh report.

PSU also had one of its best years in receiving donations.
http://articles.cnn.com/2012-07-09/us/us_pennsylvania-penn-state-donations_1_sandusky-image-joe-paterno-and-university-sandusky-conviction
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on July 13, 2012, 11:14:01 AM
Quote from: sac on July 13, 2012, 10:42:30 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on July 12, 2012, 10:42:37 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on July 12, 2012, 09:33:19 PM
I wonder what they will do to Penn State. ::)

I would hope that the NCAA does nothing.  This is WAY beyond NCAA jurisdiction!

But Penn State is in deep doo-doo, with prison sentences for a whole lot of administrators.  Athletically, they may suddenly become Northwestern, if potential recruits (or their parents) give a sh*t about kids.

Actually it is very much within the NCAA's jurisdiction as well as the Big 10 Conference.  PSU had already been given a letter of inquiry back in Nov of 2011.  http://www.ncaa.com/content/ncaa-letter-penn-state

PSU was supposed to respond by last Dec.  The NCAA and Big 10 have both been waiting for the Freeh report.

PSU also had one of its best years in receiving donations.
http://articles.cnn.com/2012-07-09/us/us_pennsylvania-penn-state-donations_1_sandusky-image-joe-paterno-and-university-sandusky-conviction

They can send Penn State those letters but what NCAA rule did Penn State break. The "Death Penalty" is only possible if Penn State were a repeat violator which they are not. Lack of Institutional Control is very specific and deals with compliance of the athletic department in regard to NCAA rules.

I don't believe any NCAA rules were broken. The Big Ten might try something but I am unsure of what. Kicking them out of the conference is very unlikely. The NCAA is an athletic association. Not a police force. Let the Department of Justice handle this. The NCAA has a hard enough time enforcing their own rules, let's not pile the enforcement of criminal law on top of that.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on July 13, 2012, 11:57:09 AM
Quote from: hickory_cornhusker on July 13, 2012, 11:14:01 AM
Quote from: sac on July 13, 2012, 10:42:30 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on July 12, 2012, 10:42:37 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on July 12, 2012, 09:33:19 PM
I wonder what they will do to Penn State. ::)

I would hope that the NCAA does nothing.  This is WAY beyond NCAA jurisdiction!

But Penn State is in deep doo-doo, with prison sentences for a whole lot of administrators.  Athletically, they may suddenly become Northwestern, if potential recruits (or their parents) give a sh*t about kids.

Actually it is very much within the NCAA's jurisdiction as well as the Big 10 Conference.  PSU had already been given a letter of inquiry back in Nov of 2011.  http://www.ncaa.com/content/ncaa-letter-penn-state

PSU was supposed to respond by last Dec.  The NCAA and Big 10 have both been waiting for the Freeh report.

PSU also had one of its best years in receiving donations.
http://articles.cnn.com/2012-07-09/us/us_pennsylvania-penn-state-donations_1_sandusky-image-joe-paterno-and-university-sandusky-conviction

They can send Penn State those letters but what NCAA rule did Penn State break. The "Death Penalty" is only possible if Penn State were a repeat violator which they are not. Lack of Institutional Control is very specific and deals with compliance of the athletic department in regard to NCAA rules.

I don't believe any NCAA rules were broken. The Big Ten might try something but I am unsure of what. Kicking them out of the conference is very unlikely. The NCAA is an athletic association. Not a police force. Let the Department of Justice handle this. The NCAA has a hard enough time enforcing their own rules, let's not pile the enforcement of criminal law on top of that.

Had you read the NCAA's inquiry you would note the NCAA sited about a half dozen NCAA bylaws relating to ethical conduct and the expectations of those who are members of the NCAA.  The NCAA has never taken 'lack of institutional control' lightly as Cal Tech just learned.

This is very much within the NCAA's purview.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on July 13, 2012, 02:05:00 PM
Quote from: sac on July 13, 2012, 11:57:09 AM
Quote from: hickory_cornhusker on July 13, 2012, 11:14:01 AM
Quote from: sac on July 13, 2012, 10:42:30 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on July 12, 2012, 10:42:37 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on July 12, 2012, 09:33:19 PM
I wonder what they will do to Penn State. ::)

I would hope that the NCAA does nothing.  This is WAY beyond NCAA jurisdiction!

But Penn State is in deep doo-doo, with prison sentences for a whole lot of administrators.  Athletically, they may suddenly become Northwestern, if potential recruits (or their parents) give a sh*t about kids.

Actually it is very much within the NCAA's jurisdiction as well as the Big 10 Conference.  PSU had already been given a letter of inquiry back in Nov of 2011.  http://www.ncaa.com/content/ncaa-letter-penn-state (http://www.ncaa.com/content/ncaa-letter-penn-state)

PSU was supposed to respond by last Dec.  The NCAA and Big 10 have both been waiting for the Freeh report.

PSU also had one of its best years in receiving donations.
http://articles.cnn.com/2012-07-09/us/us_pennsylvania-penn-state-donations_1_sandusky-image-joe-paterno-and-university-sandusky-conviction (http://articles.cnn.com/2012-07-09/us/us_pennsylvania-penn-state-donations_1_sandusky-image-joe-paterno-and-university-sandusky-conviction)

They can send Penn State those letters but what NCAA rule did Penn State break. The "Death Penalty" is only possible if Penn State were a repeat violator which they are not. Lack of Institutional Control is very specific and deals with compliance of the athletic department in regard to NCAA rules.

I don't believe any NCAA rules were broken. The Big Ten might try something but I am unsure of what. Kicking them out of the conference is very unlikely. The NCAA is an athletic association. Not a police force. Let the Department of Justice handle this. The NCAA has a hard enough time enforcing their own rules, let's not pile the enforcement of criminal law on top of that.

Had you read the NCAA's inquiry you would note the NCAA sited about a half dozen NCAA bylaws relating to ethical conduct and the expectations of those who are members of the NCAA.  The NCAA has never taken 'lack of institutional control' lightly as Cal Tech just learned.

This is very much within the NCAA's purview.

I was wrong. But the question is: What penalties will the NCAA use? This would have to occur under a major infraction. Secondary primarily refers to minor recruiting or competitive advantages with no exchange of extra benefits. Looking at the list of punishments they all are gonna treat this like a normal major violation with very little difference to the Ohio State situation. The public is gonna want more and admittedly these sound rather trivial when viewed in the light of what has happened:


The "Death Penalty" cannot be used. It can only be used under for Repeat Violators who had another Major Violation in the previous five years. Penn State, for the time being, is one of only four BCS schools to have never had a Major Violation (Northwestern, Boston College and Stanford are the others). The NCAA is gonna get screwed on this deal. The public is gonna demand more on whatever punishment the NCAA gives short of the "Death Penalty" and I'm not sure there is anything that could force the NCAA to give the "Death Penalty" again. That destroyed SMU. It's taken a quarter of a century just to get back to a shadow of what they were. The Southwest Conference's eventual death was accelerated in the wake of it (not the only factor, but an important one).

I do think that out of this the NCAA Manual will need to get a rewrite on how to handle an Ethical Violation like this was. All those punishments sound like they were created for a school that was gaining a recruiting or competitive advantage and that isn't what this was at all.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on July 13, 2012, 03:36:04 PM
Its possible to put a school on a simple probation and that be it, then if PSU were to violate any further rules they'd be in bigger trouble.  For instance Michigan is currently on probation for football through 2013, the only other punishment they received was a reduction in practice time of 130 hours which they've done away with.   At the moment the probation is more symbolic, but would be used against them if any further violations occurred before 2013 is over  (they would be treated as a repeat offender).

I really have no opinion one way or the other on what PSU should or shouldn't receive, the general consensus seems to be punishing the school in any way is punishing people who had nothing to do with this, (which is actually kind of the NCAA's thing when it comes to punishing schools anyway).  It would seem post-season bans/scholarship reductions, those kinds of things would be a little too much in this case and would severely hurt student athletes who had zero to do with this situation and some of them coming down the pike would have been barely out of diapers when these acts occurred.

I could see limiting recruiting trips or expenses, perhaps withholding some TV money.  In fact I would probably bet the Big Ten will go after Penn State's share of the Big Ten Network payout.

Given the Freeh report, I really don't think there's much doubt PSU had 'lack of institutional control'.  That's a serious violation to the NCAA and is always harshly punished.

If anything the NCAA has shown they have their own 'Too Big to Fail' problems, and I doubt much will come of this that Penn State can't handle from a university operations point of view.  Their real problem will be public opinion and perception.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on July 14, 2012, 10:45:30 AM
Quote from: hickory_cornhusker on July 13, 2012, 02:05:00 PM
  • ban on television appearances (this one is the only one that sounds significant and that might just be because I can't remember the last major school to have a major sport get this punishment [SMU? but I would think there would be another one since]){This one might also end up being the punishment that could force the Big Ten to do something since this punishment would directly hurt the rest of the conference and their network}

I was thinking about this yesterday, with conferences having their own networks a ban on television appearances really isn't a feasible punishment anymore.  If for instance Ohio State would have received a TV ban you diminish the value of the Big Ten Network as a product and in affect punish the entire conference for one teams transgressions.  And even if you institute something like a no national TV ban, the conference simply moves those games to their own network and that really is not much of a punishment at all.

The last school I can remember that received a TV ban was Auburn football in 1993.  They ended up going 11-0 and no one saw a single game.  There may have been a couple since then but I can't remember them, the NCAA stopped using TV bans in 1996.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on July 15, 2012, 09:18:51 AM
Check out Bill Plaschke's article on Caltech on the front page of today's LA Times sports section.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on July 15, 2012, 02:42:06 PM
Great article.

Every year there are posters who want Caltech out of the SCIAC because they are not competitive.  This article illustrates exactly why they should be included.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BBallJunkie81 on September 06, 2012, 05:05:52 AM
OK, kids are back in school.  I know it is early, but how will SCIAC basketball shape up this year?  To get the discussion started, I jotted down some thoughts based on last year's results.  I would be interested in other opinions and updates based on new players.

Stags/CMS
Key Returners: Gaffaney, Pinson, Mivshek, Grodahl, Sullivan (33ppg)
Key Losses: Blees, Maceira, Anderson (33ppg)
The Stags are the defending SCIAC champs but lose their top two players in Blees and Maceira.  Don't feel too sorry for Coach Scalmanini, as his 2012-13 squad is still stacked and will be led by guards Gaffaney and Pinson.  I have no doubt this team has more than enough fire power to repeat, but it will be tougher than last year.  The backcourt will match up against anybody, but will their front court stack up?

Sagehens/PP
Key Returners: Cohen, Klukas, McAndrews, Klewer, Weiss (45ppg)
Key Losses: Zahniser, Wright, Brown, Maki (16ppg)
The Sagehens gave CMS everything they could handle in 3 tough contests last year.  Good news for coach Katsiaficas, his top 5 scorers are back!  You have to like this team's chance to win it all (league), but I am a bit concerned about its lack of size and depth.

Poets/Whittier
Key Returners: Mebane, Porter, Landrum, Ramos, Albritton (25ppg)
Key Losses: Menez, Easterman, Preer, Thomas, Johnson (62ppg)
The Poets were loaded last year, but I am not sure how they will make up the staggering 62ppg Menez, Easterman, Preer, Thomas and Johnson gave them last year.  Either Mebane, Porter, Landrum and Ramos step up big time or they bring in freshmen, like the Sagehens last year, that can put some points on the board.

Bulldogs/Redlands
Key Returners: Kuklok, Kirk, Brensdal, Calhoun, Radford (43ppg)
Key Losses: Colston, Estrada, Call (30ppg)
The Bulldogs will miss Colston's presence in the middle.  In Kirk and Kuklok, they have a competitive backcourt, but they'll need more than that to compete against PP and CMS where they will be outmatched at every position.

Kingsmen/CalLu
Key Returners: Nettles, Harris, Knudsen, Flowers, Palmer (33ppg)
Key Losses: Van Klaveren, Walton (22ppg)
The Kingsmen lose their top player in Van Klaveren and will need to reinvent themselves as more of a perimeter team.  Nettles played great last year, but he'll need plenty of help if they want to challenge for a title.

Tigers/Oxy
Key Returners: McCoy, Liebowitz, Montoya, Chong, Cobb (44ppg)
Key Losses: Hanley, Copithrone (20ppg)
The Tigers were a disappointment last year.  This year, they have the strongest front court in the league.  McCoy is flat out the best athlete in SCIAC basketball and, if he puts his mind to it, will dominate games.  Liebowitz will also find it easier now that Van Klaveren and Colston are gone.  Will the Tigers have guards?  If they find an adequate backcourt, this team is more than capable of winning SCIAC.

Leopards/LaVerne
Key Returners: Lay, Veith, Simmonds (15ppg)
Key Losses: Woodland, Napolitano, Bastos, Hoyt, Leggett (45ppg)
Similar to Whittier, it will be tough for the Leopards to make up the 45ppg Woodland, Napolitano, Bastos, Hoyt and Leggett gave them last year.  They will need a decent influx of talent to stay competitive.

Engineers/CalTech
Key Returners: Edwards, Hogue, Joel, Wang, Murphy/Runkel (42ppg)
Key Losses: none
Dr. Eslinger has everybody returning this year.  Furthermore, without an influx of talent, the Leopards and Poets could be ripe for the taking.  Could this be the year the Engineers win more than a single league game?  Some of us will be rooting them on, but I wouldn't bet on it.

Panthers/Chapman
Key Returners: JoYoung, Dragovich, Chadwick, Hamasaki, JuYoung (27ppg)
Key Losses: Lin, Ricard, Avalos (38ppg)
The Panthers lose top two players (Lin & Ricard) and 3 of their top 4 (Avalos).  They have some young talent they will depend on but probably not enough to contend with the upper echelon teams.

Early Prediction for 2012-13 Season
1) PP - have the talent to win league and SCIAC tournament
2) CMS - will give PP as much trouble as PP gave them last year.  Front line will determine success.
3) Oxy - front court will dominate.  If they find capable guards, watch out.
4) Redlands - giving them a slight edge over CalLu. 
5) CalLu - backcourt should be competitive, but front court is a question mark.
6) Chapman - strong young talent...could surprise, but don't think will challenge top two teams.
7) LaVerne - slight edge over Whittier.
8) Whittier - needs plenty of fire power.
9) CalTech - could possibly catch Whittier and/or LaVerne in a game.

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on September 06, 2012, 08:26:02 AM
CalTech had better do something this year because the effect of the death penalty will soon devastate their chance of success. ;D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: madzillagd on September 12, 2012, 05:17:36 PM
OxyBob,

Depends on your perspective I guess.  Better than average isn't the ultimate goal in my book.  In his 3 years in the SCIAC Dunlap squads finished first 3 times.  In the 18 years since then, Rider squads have only finished 1st twice.  Dunlap made the NCAAs 3 times, Rider has only made it once and that was 11 years ago.  Going back to the football conversation, I would have expected an improved team over the past few years with the new facilities to lure recruits and we just haven't seen it so far. While you're admiring the .635 winning %, I'm seeing the .056 % of NCAA appearances.

Rider has been a good coach and I'm sure if he sticks around he'll continue to win more than he loses, I just expect more. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on September 12, 2012, 05:44:38 PM
Dunlap is now a head coach in the NBA, as is Gregg Popovich from Pomona.
These are unusual jumps.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on September 12, 2012, 08:49:46 PM
Quote from: madzillagd on September 12, 2012, 05:17:36 PM
In his 3 years in the SCIAC Dunlap squads finished first 3 times.

You sound like my brother-in-law the UCLA basketball wonk who thinks John Wooden is still the coach. Mike Dunlap left CLU in 1994. Seriously, come into the 21st century.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: madzillagd on September 12, 2012, 10:30:51 PM
Oh, in that case I'll be content with mediocracy because it's the 21st century. That makes sense.  I don't know what I was thinking.  Yeah 3rd place!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on September 13, 2012, 10:44:09 AM
Quote from: madzillagd on September 12, 2012, 10:30:51 PM
I'll be content with mediocracy

Rider's won two-thirds of the games he's coached at CLU. If that's mediocrity then I'll take it.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: madzillagd on September 13, 2012, 06:01:32 PM
Does anybody happen know for the CLU Thrivent Tourney that happens at the end of December, do they do any other events with the teams and/or fans besides the games?  Dinner? Golf tournament? Anything?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on September 13, 2012, 07:36:55 PM
Madzillagd:
Go to the CLU home page and enter a search for the Thrivent Financial Golf Tourney. The info page will also list other tourneys.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: madzillagd on September 13, 2012, 08:25:53 PM
http://www.clusports.com/pages/tournaments/2011-12TFFL.php

I tried that already.  No mention of anything other than the games so I'm assuming they don't have anything else.  I'll be going this year so I was just trying to figure out if I should plan for anything else in the travel schedule.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on September 13, 2012, 08:32:59 PM
There is also a dinner and auction.
Have fun!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: madzillagd on September 14, 2012, 02:04:22 PM
Thanks dahlby.


Found this interesting when looking at coaching records...

http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/m_basketball_RB/2012/coaches.pdf

Winningest Coaches at D1, D2, D3 listed by % and total wins - Active and Retired. 

Active SCIAC coaches on the list...

18. Mike Bokosky, Chapman .................................................... 19 years 339 Wins 144 Losses .702

51. Ken Scalmanini, Claremont-M-S ...................................... 13 years  215 wins 117 losses .648

List only goes up to 70 (.617) so Rider didn't make it because it's for total record, not current school. 

On a sidenote that nobody on this thread cares about but me (and anybody that will be at the CLU Thrivent tourney this year...hint, hint), Mike Maker should enter the list next year at #2.  In his 4th year at Williams College he's got a .809 winning %. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on September 14, 2012, 02:26:06 PM
This is Coach Bolosky's first collegiate head coaching position. Prior to Chapman, he was an assistant at both UCI and CSF here in Orange County.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on September 16, 2012, 03:50:01 PM
Quote from: madzillagd on September 14, 2012, 02:04:22 PM
18. Mike Bokosky, Chapman .................................................... 19 years 339 Wins 144 Losses .702

With 300 of those wins against La Sierra.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on September 16, 2012, 04:17:02 PM
Hmmmmmmmm...
Yesterday OxyBob had a typo...today he had a problem with counting*....is it old age or is that Oxy education wearing off?

* 300, only if you count Life Bible, La Sierra, Cal Baptist, Southwestern Christian and all the unclassifieds.

Note to Hemminway in the down under country. OxyBob isn't happy that Chapman is now part of the SCIAC. Don't look for
OxyBob to write anything about Chapman unless it is negative.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on September 18, 2012, 01:21:28 PM
Quote from: BBallJunkie81 on September 06, 2012, 05:05:52 AM
Will the Tigers have guards?  If they find an adequate backcourt, this team is more than capable of winning SCIAC.

Oxy had almost no guard play last season. Jack Hanley, who averaged 13 ppg, was listed as a guard but he mostly played at 3 not 2. The other 6 guards combined averaged 13.5 ppg.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BBallJunkie81 on September 21, 2012, 12:20:50 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on September 18, 2012, 01:21:28 PM
Oxy had almost no guard play last season. Jack Hanley, who averaged 13 ppg, was listed as a guard but he mostly played at 3 not 2. The other 6 guards combined averaged 13.5 ppg.

OxyBob, I don't see a SCIAC team matching Oxy's front court.    Will Stapleton, Robinson and Chong have help this year?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: madzillagd on October 05, 2012, 06:12:15 PM
Looks like the SCIAC will be hosting a couple of the Northeast elite teams this holiday season.  CLU will be hosting Williams College at the Thrivent Tourney 12/29-12/30 and La Verne is playing MIT 12/31.  MIT made it to the Final Four last year and Williams was there the two previous years.  It will be interesting to see how the talent matches up between the squads.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: madzillagd on October 10, 2012, 06:41:51 PM
Nice article on Dunlap.  Author did a great job of talking not only about the positives of his time at CLU but also some of the negatives.

http://www.callutheran.edu/news/news_detail.php?story_id=9010
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldchap on October 11, 2012, 09:17:14 PM
Hi Dahlby, Hi Oxybob,

I'm sure going to miss all of you guys this year as my son graduated in June. It has been a fun four years and I will remain forever an inveterate Chapman fan.

Incidentally, I just wanted to give you some fresh news. Ben Ricard is now playing semi-professional basketball in France near Cannes (yes, that would be the town on the Mediteranean best known for its yearly Film Festival). At the same time, he is attending a University near Nice where he is studying for a Master of Science in International Marketing and Business Development (http://www.skema.edu/).

Here is his new team's web site: http://club.quomodo.com/lecannetbasket/accueil.html

They are currently 3-0 and hope to be promoted to a higher division next year. That's if they finish first in their pool of 12 teams.

In his Sophomore year, Ben was inspired by the story of a D3 player who went on to play professional ball in England while pursuing his education. By posting this, I am hoping he can inspire other D3 players to do the same. In my opinion, a lot of the upper tier Division 3 players in the SCIAC would be able to play in Europe. It obviously wouldn't be a career, but it would be a great experience and an awesome adventure for a year or two.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on October 11, 2012, 10:29:44 PM
 oldchap, good hearing from you!
Please give my best to your wife, daughter and of course, Ben. Best of luck to him. He is a fine example of what D3 sports
is all about.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 12, 2012, 11:06:47 PM
Quote from: oldchap on October 11, 2012, 09:17:14 PM
Hi Dahlby, Hi Oxybob,

I'm sure going to miss all of you guys this year as my son graduated in June. It has been a fun four years and I will remain forever an inveterate Chapman fan.

Incidentally, I just wanted to give you some fresh news. Ben Ricard is now playing semi-professional basketball in France near Cannes (yes, that would be the town on the Mediteranean best known for its yearly Film Festival). At the same time, he is attending a University near Nice where he is studying for a Master of Science in International Marketing and Business Development (http://www.skema.edu/).

Here is his new team's web site: http://club.quomodo.com/lecannetbasket/accueil.html

They are currently 3-0 and hope to be promoted to a higher division next year. That's if they finish first in their pool of 12 teams.

In his Sophomore year, Ben was inspired by the story of a D3 player who went on to play professional ball in England while pursuing his education. By posting this, I am hoping he can inspire other D3 players to do the same. In my opinion, a lot of the upper tier Division 3 players in the SCIAC would be able to play in Europe. It obviously wouldn't be a career, but it would be a great experience and an awesome adventure for a year or two.

If Ben wants to blog about that and pass along the inspiration to a future generation, let me know. We would run that.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldchap on October 14, 2012, 07:35:13 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 12, 2012, 11:06:47 PM

If Ben wants to blog about that and pass along the inspiration to a future generation, let me know. We would run that.

He does have a blog. I will email him to find out if he is willing to share it publicly, or perhaps send you the relevant information in the form of an article.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 17, 2012, 04:36:09 PM
The Preseason Top 25 is out: http://www.d3hoops.com/top25/men/2012-13/preseason (http://www.d3hoops.com/top25/men/2012-13/preseason)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on October 25, 2012, 11:57:10 AM
Hello All!!!

We are back for another year of D3 and SCIAC Hoops!!

Any news/ideas on how teams are looking?

More in-depth views on the conference to follow, but excited for the games to start in a couple weeks!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CMSfan on October 26, 2012, 01:52:19 PM
Quote from: stag44 on October 25, 2012, 11:57:10 AM
Any news/ideas on how teams are looking?

I was hoping you'd have updates on CMS...
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on November 04, 2012, 11:11:48 AM
Quote from: stag44 on October 25, 2012, 11:57:10 AM
Any news/ideas on how teams are looking?

Back on the Oxy roster is Eric Leider, who averaged 9 ppg in 2010. That'll help the Tigers. They also have freshman center David Yetenikyan from Glendale High, who's 6'6" and a beefy 225, and freshman sharpshooting guard Chad Taniolka from Venice High.

Oxy opens the conference season at home on November 28 against Claremont, and has a home game against D3hoops.com preseason No. 14 Whitworth on December 15.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: madzillagd on November 04, 2012, 12:44:18 PM
A write up of CLU's learning experience against Pepperdine yesterday

http://www.clusports.com/news/9127/
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CMSfan on November 19, 2012, 12:49:55 PM
Westmont 67, Stags 61

Box: http://www.cmsathletics.org/sports/mbkb/2012-13/files/WEST-CMS.HTM (http://www.cmsathletics.org/sports/mbkb/2012-13/files/WEST-CMS.HTM)

I had a chance to catch the Stags in action vs. Westmont over the weekend and, aside from dismal free throw shooting and some sloppy stretches that led to 18 turnovers in the game, I liked what I saw.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on November 20, 2012, 12:16:41 PM
Quote from: CMSfan on November 19, 2012, 12:49:55 PM
I had a chance to catch the Stags in action vs. Westmont over the weekend and, aside from dismal free throw shooting and some sloppy stretches that led to 18 turnovers in the game, I liked what I saw.

Not to be a pedantic nitpicker, but it was 20 turnovers according to the box score.

Congratulations to Pomona, which defeated Westmont 81-79 last Friday night on Jake Klewer's layup at the buzzer.

http://www.pe.pomona.edu/sports/mbkb/2012-13/releases/20121117auvmh3

Always nice to get a win over a GSAC team. Pomona also beat La Sierra 87-64 the following night.

CLU lost to Bethesda University 56-55 last Thursday. Bethesda is coached by former CMS assistant coach Bruce Victor. Last night CLU beat La Sierra 64-40.

Whittier beat Bethesda 94-92 in overtime last Saturday.

Oxy hosts Bethesda tonight.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on November 20, 2012, 12:23:51 PM
Who is Bethesda, and where are they?  I couldn't find anything about them.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on November 20, 2012, 02:41:18 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on November 20, 2012, 12:23:51 PM
Who is Bethesda, and where are they?  I couldn't find anything about them.

Bethesda University of California, located in Anaheim.

http://www.buc.edu

Bethesda sports:

http://bucflames.com

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on November 20, 2012, 03:16:54 PM
Thanks Bob,
My search had failed to find athletics at the top of the pages where they belong.
They have a seven man roster.  How do they scrimmage?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on November 21, 2012, 01:51:40 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on November 20, 2012, 03:16:54 PM
They have a seven man roster.  How do they scrimmage?

I don't know. Maybe they dribble around chairs like in Hoosiers.

Oxy beat Besthesda 95-91. Chris Montoya scored 36, Deshun McCoy 20, Conrad Liebowitz 18. Oxy plays Macalester this Friday. Last season Macalester was 1-24. Since 2008 the Scots are 4-95.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on November 21, 2012, 04:06:20 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on November 21, 2012, 01:51:40 PM
Oxy plays Macalester this Friday. Last season Macalester was 1-24. Since 2008 the Scots are 4-95.

OxyBob
Are they thinking of giving up on basketball, too?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on November 21, 2012, 05:03:05 PM
Watched Macalaster play last year in Minnesota.  Pierce Peters is AMAZING...one of the better shooting performances I've seen in d3.

Sam Marshall is a beast down low...very wide, very active.

I think their point guard was out injured last year??

Biggest problem with Macalaster is depth...all their starters went 30 plus last year....they're going back to back games against Oxy and Caltech, could see fatigue being a real factor.

The conference they are in is pretty strong so the lack of wins shouldn't fool you.

Caltech beat Macalaster last year when Cramer was still with them...he had 19 and 10 which helped Caltech eek out a victory.

I would look for Macalaster to be competitive with both Oxy and Caltech.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on November 21, 2012, 05:25:51 PM
Quote from: WoostAr on November 21, 2012, 05:03:05 PM
The conference they are in is pretty strong so the lack of wins shouldn't fool you.

Give me a break. They're 3-77 in the MIAC since 2008, 1-19 last season.

Quote from: WoostAr on November 21, 2012, 05:03:05 PM
Caltech beat Macalaster last year when Cramer was still with them

Still in mourning I see.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on November 21, 2012, 05:38:02 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on November 21, 2012, 05:25:51 PM
Quote from: WoostAr on November 21, 2012, 05:03:05 PM
The conference they are in is pretty strong so the lack of wins shouldn't fool you.

Give me a break. They're 3-77 in the MIAC since 2008, 1-19 last season.

Quote from: WoostAr on November 21, 2012, 05:03:05 PM
Caltech beat Macalaster last year when Cramer was still with them

Still in mourning I see.

OxyBob

Who else did that team beat??....it was someone in the SCIAC I think. :)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on November 21, 2012, 05:41:23 PM
Also...St Thomas (6-4 in the MIAC last year) took down a very good CMS last year...it's a pretty good conference.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cmsme on November 24, 2012, 12:08:55 AM
Best wishes to CMS. I missed the game, but hope you beat UC Santa Cruz tonight.
You guys look great--you just need to break the ice and win your first game.
So sorry to hear about Tyler Gaffaney. He must be going crazy twiddling his thumbs.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on November 24, 2012, 12:40:31 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on November 21, 2012, 05:25:51 PM
Quote from: WoostAr on November 21, 2012, 05:03:05 PM
The conference they are in is pretty strong so the lack of wins shouldn't fool you.

Give me a break. They're 3-77 in the MIAC since 2008, 1-19 last season.


Macalester 81, Oxy 75.

Uh-oh...guess they were a little better than expected.  Looks like Peters had an off night from the field but made up for it at the free throw line -- Macalester with 30 of their 81 points from the free throw line.  McCoy went for 26 on 11/15 shooting!!  Wow!

Looks like they have more players contributing this year...look for a tough battle between Caltech and Macalester tomorrow.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on November 24, 2012, 09:27:26 AM
Quote from: WoostAr on November 24, 2012, 12:40:31 AM
Macalester 81, Oxy 75.

Oxy led 68-61 with 4:40 left, then outscored 16-2 before Montoya made a FT with 36 seconds left. Embarrassing loss at home.

All-around forgettable evening for the SCIAC:

UC Santa Cruz 61, Claremont 59. CMS now 0-4.
George Fox 73, Cal Lutheran 59. GFU led 51-50 at 12:10. 10-0 GFU run does in CLU.
The Master's 77, Pomona 58. Pomona kept it close at 42-38 at 14:30, but TMC too strong and pulls away.
Concordia-Irvine 110, Redlands 86. Defending NAIA champ way too much for UR to handle.

OxyBob

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: (509)Rat on November 24, 2012, 02:24:30 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on November 24, 2012, 09:27:26 AM
Quote from: WoostAr on November 24, 2012, 12:40:31 AM
Macalester 81, Oxy 75.

Oxy led 68-61 with 4:40 left, then outscored 16-2 before Montoya made a FT with 36 seconds left. Embarrassing loss at home.

All-around forgettable evening for the SCIAC:

UC Santa Cruz 61, Claremont 59. CMS now 0-4.
George Fox 73, Cal Lutheran 59. GFU led 51-50 at 12:10. 10-0 GFU run does in CLU.
The Master's 77, Pomona 58. Pomona kept it close at 42-38 at 14:30, but TMC too strong and pulls away.
Concordia-Irvine 110, Redlands 86. Defending NAIA champ way too much for UR to handle.

OxyBob

The CMS loss to Santa Cruz is a bad one...a really bad one. So who's the favorite to win the SCIAC, Redlands? Chapman? Whitworth gets both and Oxy down in SoCal right before Christmas. Will be a great weekend to see how the better teams in the SCIAC (sorry bob, that excludes oxy) match up with what's been the best program in the NWC.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on November 24, 2012, 04:11:07 PM
Quote from: (509)Rat on November 24, 2012, 02:24:30 PM
The CMS loss to Santa Cruz is a bad one...a really bad one.

UCSC is at Pomona tonight.

Quote from: (509)Rat on November 24, 2012, 02:24:30 PM
Whitworth gets both and Oxy down in SoCal right before Christmas. Will be a great weekend to see how the better teams in the SCIAC (sorry bob, that excludes oxy) match up with what's been the best program in the NWC.

Looking forward to seeing Whitworth play on the 15th.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CMSfan on November 25, 2012, 06:32:51 PM
Nice bounce back win for the Stags (68-53) against Master's last night. I didn't see the UCSC debacle...hard to believe the same team that lost to them beat Master's by 15.  Here's the box score: http://www.cmsathletics.org/sports/mbkb/2012-13/files/CMS-TMC.HTM (http://www.cmsathletics.org/sports/mbkb/2012-13/files/CMS-TMC.HTM)

A great all-around performance for the Stags; nice to get a win heading into SCIAC play.  They managed to take care of the ball (10 turnovers after three straights with at least 20) and they shot very well, including 10-22 on threes. Shelby Lane continues to impress, Nick Lund's minutes are increasing, and Jack Earley seems to have Scali's confidence (he played more minutes than veterans Cain and Donnelly each of the past two games).
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on November 29, 2012, 07:17:39 AM
Wednesday night's scores:

Cal Lutheran 71, Pacifica 59: Martin Flowers 24 pts and 10 rebs.
Whittier 68, La Verne 66: Phillip Thomas' layup with 34 secs left gave WC a 67-66 lead, and the Poets hung on to win.
Pomona 60, Chapman 54: Pomona led pretty much start to finish.
Claremont 71, Oxy 59: CMS led only 58-55 at 3:40, but Oxy faded in the stretch again at home.
Redlands 106, Caltech 74: UR led 61-31 at halftime, and played the bench in the second half.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CMSfan on November 29, 2012, 12:25:54 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on November 29, 2012, 07:17:39 AM
Claremont 71, Oxy 59: CMS led only 58-55 at 3:40, but Oxy faded in the stretch again at home.

Here's the box: http://oxyathletics.com/sports/mbkb/2012-13/boxscores/20121128_yi2c.xml (http://oxyathletics.com/sports/mbkb/2012-13/boxscores/20121128_yi2c.xml)

From what I saw, it was a close game throughout. Oxy is talented and looks like they could be a top-tier team in SCIAC. CMS was aided by great shooting in the second half (59% from the floor, compared to 31% for Oxy) and an off-night for Montoya, who was 3-11 shooting (though 9-10 from the line).  CMS had a few lapses on defense (they look very young at times) and some periods of sloppy play, but on the whole this seemed like a typical CMS game, with tough defense and a nice scoring distribution (four guys in double figures). Shelby Lane looked great again and between him, Lund, Mkpado, and Rama, the Stags have a lot of young bigs, which has helped cushion the loss of Maceira and Blees.

Great start to SCIAC play for the Stags!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on November 29, 2012, 02:56:28 PM
Anyone seen Pomona play live yet? their early returns look promising -- what happened to Klukas?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cmsme on December 01, 2012, 11:50:39 PM
WOW. CMS team looked great. Congratulations. :)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CMSfan on December 02, 2012, 01:22:22 AM
Quote from: cmsme on December 01, 2012, 11:50:39 PM
WOW. CMS team looked great. Congratulations. :)

Yep, another solid performance.  Here's the box score: http://www.cmsathletics.org/sports/mbkb/2012-13/boxscores/20121201_n66l.xml (http://www.cmsathletics.org/sports/mbkb/2012-13/boxscores/20121201_n66l.xml)

Sullivan lit up up with 24 points including 6-10 from three-point range. Whittier is, as always, athletic and plays at a fast pace, but CMS handled their press well (better than they handled Oxy's on Wednesday) and maintained a lead throughout the game.

In other SCIAC action:

Redlands 81, PP 72
Box: http://pomona.prestosports.com/sports/mbkb/2012-13/boxscores/20121201_mnvb.xml (http://pomona.prestosports.com/sports/mbkb/2012-13/boxscores/20121201_mnvb.xml)

Cal Lu 71, Caltech 51
Box: http://gocaltech.com/sports/mbkb/2012-13/files/CIT-CLU.HTM (http://gocaltech.com/sports/mbkb/2012-13/files/CIT-CLU.HTM)

Chapman 69, Oxy 59
Box: http://www.chapmanathletics.com/sports/mbkb/2012-13/boxscores/20121201_tq5a.xml (http://www.chapmanathletics.com/sports/mbkb/2012-13/boxscores/20121201_tq5a.xml)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on December 03, 2012, 12:01:36 PM
Quote from: CMSfan on December 02, 2012, 01:22:22 AM
In other SCIAC action:
Chapman 69, Oxy 59

Not a big mystery why Oxy didn't win. The Tigers shot 36% on 19-for-53, 3-for-17 on 3s, 18-for-30 FTs, and only had a total of 4 assists. In 50 minutes of play, Oxy's starting guards were 2-for-10 for 6 points, one of which was a basket on a 3-ball with 30 seconds to go and the game out of reach.

Oxy is home to Redlands on Wednesday.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CMSfan on December 06, 2012, 02:19:56 AM
Stags 73, La Verne 67

Box: http://www.leopardathletics.com/sports/mbkb/2012-13/boxscores/20121205_zl7c.xml (http://www.leopardathletics.com/sports/mbkb/2012-13/boxscores/20121205_zl7c.xml)

Didn't make it to the game, but the Stags led by 19 at the half and apparently were up by as my as 26 at one point. Looks like a lot of fouls and free throws in the game. Pinson had 22 and Mivshek 21 for the Stags.  Veith led the way for the Leopards with 23.

In other CMS news, enjoy Ducey Gym while it lasts: http://www.claremontmckenna.edu/news/pressreleases/article.asp?article_id=2105 (http://www.claremontmckenna.edu/news/pressreleases/article.asp?article_id=2105)

In other SCIAC news:

Chapman 76, Whittier 64
Box: http://www.wcpoets.com/sports/mbkb/2012-13/boxscores/20121205_xv8f.xml (http://www.wcpoets.com/sports/mbkb/2012-13/boxscores/20121205_xv8f.xml)

Pomona 60, Cal Lu 58
Box: http://pomona.prestosports.com/sports/mbkb/2012-13/boxscores/20121205_bk1t.xml (http://pomona.prestosports.com/sports/mbkb/2012-13/boxscores/20121205_bk1t.xml)

Redlands 96, Oxy 94
Box: http://oxyathletics.com/sports/mbkb/2012-13/releases/20121206oiwyiv (http://oxyathletics.com/sports/mbkb/2012-13/releases/20121206oiwyiv)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on December 06, 2012, 10:16:47 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on December 03, 2012, 12:01:36 PM
Oxy is home to Redlands on Wednesday.

Eyewitness report from Eagle Rock:

Redlands 96, Oxy 94

Very entertaining game. Little bit of role reversal from seasons past. Oxy is playing an up-tempo, aggressive, high reward-high risk, press-all-over-the-floor style which forces lots of turnovers but also results in easy layups if their opponent gets past the press. Redlands is playing more of a Claremont-style controlled half court offense with lots of cutting and faking and screens.

Redlands led 42-38 at halftime. The Bulldogs led 89-82 with 4 minutes to go, but Eric Leider's 3-ball closed the gap to 94-92 with 2 minutes left. After Brian Kuklok made a FT, Conrad Liebowitz's layup made it 95-94 with 4 seconds left. Kuklok was fouled, made a FT and missed the second. Oxy got the ball and got it into the front court, but Sam Stapleton's long try missed, and UR got the win.

For Oxy, Eric Leider led all scorers with 27 points, 22 of those in the second half, including 6-for-7 on 3s. Liebowitz had 15 and 9 rebounds, and freshman David Yetenikyan scored 12 and had 9 rebounds off the bench.

For UR, they had 6 players score double figures. Josiah Brensdal scored 13 and had 14 rebounds, Tristan Kirk had 14 and 10 assists, Kuklok scored 14, Matt Calhoun 13, Ricky Peetz 15, and Alex Rudd had 16.

Redlands won the rebound battle 41-36. UR had 24 turnovers, Oxy 23. Both teams had abysmal FT shooting; Redlands was 17-for-33 (52%), and Oxy was 15-for-27 (56%).

Redlands is 3-0 in conference play, while the Tigers drop to a disappointing 0-3.

Oxy is off until the 15th, when they host D3hoops No. 20 Whitworth.

Quote from: CMSfan on December 06, 2012, 02:19:56 AM
In other CMS news, enjoy Ducey Gym while it lasts

The Temple of Doom is doomed. Can't say I am unhappy about that. Will Ken Scalmanini have his own private thermostat in the new building so he can crank up the heat to 90 for games?

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on December 06, 2012, 11:16:11 PM
OxyBob,

Been years since I've posted on here...Any word on why McCoy didn't start?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on December 07, 2012, 12:20:12 PM
Quote from: OxyFan21 on December 06, 2012, 11:16:11 PM
Any word on why McCoy didn't start?

It's probably just how Brian Newhall has his rotation set up. McCoy played 23 minutes against Redlands and he played well -- 9 pts and 9 rebs -- though I like it better when McCoy takes his Elvin Hayes turnaround jumper rather than shooting 3s, which I think are outside his range.

Redlands hosts UC Santa Cruz tonight. After beating Claremont, the Banana Slugs have lost 3 straight to Pomona, Whitman, and Whitworth.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: (509)Rat on December 07, 2012, 01:34:54 PM
While I think UCSC is probably improved from years past, Redlands shouldn't have any problems with them. Still waiting for Whitworth to head down south. Looks like some traditional NWC powers are down this year. UPS and LC have really struggled up till this point. The conference as a whole is probably down this year. I think you'll see more parity but it will be because the stronger programs aren't quite as good as they have been in the past.

Looks like we won't know much about the top of the SCIAC until Jan when CMS finally gets Chapman and Redlands...
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on December 07, 2012, 03:09:09 PM
I don't know how much of a good measuring stick Chapman will be this year, as they are very, very young. They have played good in spurts so far this early season. Hopefully they will gel by January and be a factor. Until then, we will just have to wait and see how they fare.

Good luck to the Prates this year. I will see them on the 18th of December when they are down here vs Chapman.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on December 08, 2012, 02:01:40 PM
Quote from: (509)Rat on December 07, 2012, 01:34:54 PM
While I think UCSC is probably improved from years past, Redlands shouldn't have any problems with them.

Redlands 62, UC Santa Cruz 51

Lee Fullmer Tournament. UCSC led 38-29 at halftime, but Redlands outscored the the Banana Slugs 33-13 in the second half; UCSC shot 15.4% on only 4-for-26. Josiah Brensdal 17, Brian Kuklok 16.

Redlands is 5-2 and faces 0-9 Pacifica tonight.

Saturday's SCIAC schedule, all games 7:00 p.m.:

Caltech (0-7, 0-2 SCIAC) @ Claremont (4-4, 3-0)
Pomona (5-2, 2-1) @ La Verne (1-3, 0-2)
West Coast Baptist (record unknown because WCB doesn't post results) @ Whittier (3-4)

EDIT -- Final scores from Saturday:

Redlands 119, Pacifica 88
Claremont 84, Caltech 70
Pomona 58, La Verne 49
Whittier 84, West Coast Baptist 69

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on December 13, 2012, 01:55:41 AM
CMS 67 @ CLU 42

Good win for the Stags on the road going to 5-0 in SCIAC on the year.

Balanced effort with 8 players scoring between 5 and 11 points, led by Pinson, Cain and Sullivan with 11 each.

Stags won the ever important rebounding battle 33-21

I was worried this could be a trap game: long trip to CLU, Stags at 4-0, Finals Week and a whole rash of other possibilities, but they came out focused from the start and took care of business.

CMS is off game duty until post-Christmas when they play out east in Salem State for their Classic.
CLU gets UPS and UC Santa Cruz this weekend, with both games looking to be very competitive.

Current SCIAC standings

CMS  5-0
UR    3-0
PP    3-1
CU    2-1
WC   1-2
CLU   1-2
Oxy   0-3
ULV   0-3
CIT    0-3

Notes/Surprises from the pre-break conference

1. Oxy is different and surprisingly 0-3
Granted their 3 losses are to all current top-4 teams, but with a team as talented as Oxy it is surprising to see them at 0-3. I expect them to get better with their dribble-drive and uptempo game over break and make a move into the top half of conference.

2. ULV is better than their 0-3 record.
Again playing against CMS and PP is tough as is playing @ Whittier to open conference. Reed has his guys playing REALLY hard and together which is great to see. Veith is a tough guard and they can play 10-12 guys with confidence.

3. The usual suspects are back.
In what was thought to be a rebound/rebuild year for CMS after losing Blees, Maciera, Anderson and Gaffeney (4 all conference players), Scali is doing one of his finest coaching jobs this year getting the guys to 5-0 to start. This is with a grain of salt as they still have PP, Chapman and Redlands (the top tier of the SCIAC thus far). The Stags tend to really develop and come together over break, so it should be exciting for them.

PP, who was the pre-season SCIAC favorite bringing their core back was dealt a blow losing Klukas, but they are still right there at 3-1. Cohen hasn't played the last 2 games but I'm not sure what's going on - he was dealing with an ankle issue earlier in the year. They continue to play guard-heavy 3pt ball but have some solid bigs in Donald, Klewer and Weiss to play down low.

Redlands is impressive and very high scoring. They are 91ppg through the season and 94ppg in conference.

4. Caltech will get someone this year
They are VERY gritty and tough and I think will win a SCIAC game at home this year.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on December 13, 2012, 09:49:35 AM
Quote from: stag44 on December 13, 2012, 01:55:41 AM
CMS 67 @ CLU 42

Eyewitness report from Thousand Oaks:

This one was not close. Claremont dominated from start to finish. Classic CMS defense. Cal Lutheran could not get the ball into the block, they could not drive the baseline, they could not get decent shots from the wing, and they could not drive from the top of the key. The Kingsmen mostly passed the ball around the arc, finally flung something up at the basket, missed, and the rebound was gathered in by one of the five CMS players standing under the basket, with no CLU players in sight. A basketball thing of beauty to watch.

In the front court Claremont was also impressive. No Chris Blees or Miles Taylor on the floor for CMS, just a well-oiled team machine. The Stags ran their high post offense to a tee, with lots of screens, cutting, and crisp passes to open men for high-percentage outside shots or easy layups.

For CLU, Steven Davis was the only guy who played with any enthusiasm. The rest of the Kingsmen played tepid and placid basketball, and seemed resigned to a loss after they got behind. CLU shot only 31.4%, and was 2-for-21 on 3s.

Always a pleasure to chat with Dan Kuntz and Ben McEnroe.

I was looking forward to seeing Whitworth @ Oxy this Saturday, but another commitment takes me elsewhere.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: (509)Rat on December 15, 2012, 11:01:53 PM
Whitworth up 48-27 at the half against Oxy. McConnell leading all scorers with 10. Gebbers came out hot tonight, hitting his first 3, 3pt shots. Has 9. Whitworth hasn't got a great performance out of Wade on the offensive end for awhile now. Good to see him knocking down shots
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: (509)Rat on December 15, 2012, 11:45:42 PM
95-66 Final.

Whitworth got a lot of production from a lot of different guys. Looks like Oxy didn't crack 50 pts until around 4 min left in the game, so a good defensive effort if you ask me. Unfortunately I couldn't watch. Oxy wanted $13 to watch this game via webcast...  ???
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on December 16, 2012, 10:45:36 AM
Quote from: (509)Rat on December 15, 2012, 11:45:42 PM
95-66 Final.

From the box score it looks like it was a game for about 6 minutes. Tied at 11, Whitworth outscored Oxy 17-2 for a 28-13 lead, and that was pretty much that. The Pirates shot 54% from the floor, Oxy only 31%

Whitworth: McConnell 20, Douglas 15, Gebbers 11, Payne 10.
Oxy: McCoy 18, Cobb 13 and 11 rebounds.

Other Saturday SCIAC scores:

Pomona 88, Clarke (NAIA 2) 84 OT
Cal State Bakersfield 69, La Verne 49
UC Santa Cruz 68, Caltech 63
Puget Sound 63, Cal Lutheran 61

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on December 16, 2012, 01:33:41 PM
Quasi SCIAC member Chapman defeated the visiting West Coast Baptist Eagles Saturday night 81-56.

Both Redlands and Chapman get real tests at Chapman on Tuesday and Wednesday this week as they host Whitworth and Willamette. On Tuesday Redlands faces Willamette at 4 PM and Chapman takes on Whitworth at 6:30 PM. On Wednesday Redlands faces Whitworth in the early game with Chapman taking on Willamette at 6:30 PM.

If you can't make it down to Orange, you can catch all the streamed action at "chapmanathletics.com".
Chapman videocasts are FREE OF CHARGE!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: (509)Rat on December 16, 2012, 03:46:48 PM
Quote from: dahlby on December 16, 2012, 01:33:41 PM
Chapman videocasts are FREE OF CHARGE!

+K
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on December 18, 2012, 10:42:54 AM
Any posters traveling to Chapman for the doublehitter today, or the triple hitter on Wednesday, please PM me as I would like to meet you.

Yes, a triple hitter as the Chapman Ladies will be hosting Trinity (TX) at 1 PM followed by the
Whitworth/Redlands matchup and concluding with
the Willamette/Chapman contest at 6:30

Can't make it in person, catch all the action at "chapmanathletics.com".
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: (509)Rat on December 18, 2012, 04:08:48 PM
Chapman should be a little stiffer test for Whitworth tonight. But the Pirates are a team with a lot of depth, a ton of travel experience, and they play very good defense. A recipe for success in terms of winning on the road. Whitworth really hasn't been killing teams with the 3 ball like they have in years past. Chapman is going to have a very efficient game on the offensive end of the court. They need to have a high shooting % to match a Whitworth team who seems very content playing inside the arc.

This will be a good barometer for Chapman. It seems that Whitworth hasn't fallen as far as some had thought (hoped).
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: (509)Rat on December 18, 2012, 10:48:28 PM
Chapman was up 34-34 at the half. Had a player with 14 and another with 11. They look great on offense in the half court. Looks like another tough Panther team.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 18, 2012, 10:54:50 PM
Quote from: (509)Rat on December 18, 2012, 10:48:28 PM
Chapman was up 34-34 at the half.

That's a neat trick. Wish my team was always up when the score was tied! ;) ;D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: (509)Rat on December 18, 2012, 11:22:08 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 18, 2012, 10:54:50 PM
Quote from: (509)Rat on December 18, 2012, 10:48:28 PM
Chapman was up 34-34 at the half.

That's a neat trick. Wish my team was always up when the score was tied! ;) ;D

Whoops, pudgy fingers on the phone...35-34

Whitworth gets the W 67-62. Zavrsnick scored 22 and Hamasaki added 19. Dahlby can give an eye witness report. Looks like Chapman shot a higher % from the field, but had too many TO's and gave Whitworth too many offensive rebounds. They gave the Pirates way too many possessions. That and a few missed FT's added up to a loss at home.

I can't imagine Chapman loses any more games when they hit 56% of their shots...
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on December 19, 2012, 12:24:20 AM
 After a back and forth first half  Chapman had the momentum going into halftime when a Whitworth surge, including a three pointer just before the buzzer, brought the Pirates with in 1 point. Whitworth did not shoot any free throws in the first half.
Chapman forced W/W to play its game during the first half, and freely passed and drove for buckets.

The second half was a different story, as W/W clogged the middle when Chapman drove and forced a lot of dribbling
around, thus running the shot clock down and forcing Chapman to take some poor shots. On W/W's offensive side, the Pirates started playing a more physical inside game and as a result had many key "layups" from some quick drives.

I just got home and haven't seen the second half stats yet, but those adjustments by the W/W coach were the difference.
But, the game was not decided until around 2 minutes to go.

I was a little disappointed that Chapman could not pull it out, to say the least, but the Panthers are a young team and are still learning. They will do just fine in conference play.

W/W is not as physical as the past few years, but they appeared to play a more upbeat game in the second half. I thought the
W/W coach used his bench very efficiently.

W/W is good, but will get much better as the season rolls on. Their high ranking needs to be reinforced with wins against stronger teams than CU. CU's young team is improving each game. They will be a contender when they can put a whole
40 minutes together.

The Willamette/Redlands game was also close and not decided until the end. Redlands had a 10 point advantage at halftime, but Willamette took a 5 point lead just minutes in to the second half. Poor free throw shooting hurt Willamette, and may have cost them the game.

W/W should not have any problem with Redlands tomorrow, if they play like they did in the second half tonight.

The game recap and box scores will be available at "chapmanathletics.com" or on the D3 Hoops board.

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After reading the stats.
Whitworth had 6 steals to Chapman's 3, which were mostly from CU having to rush the basket after the shot clock wound down.
Rebounding was fairly even, but most of W/W's offensive rebounds were from drives to the basket that resulted in poor shots.
W/W had only 2 block shots, but were from unsuccessful CU drives
W/W had  5 turnovers whle forcing 7 from Chapman. Once again mostly resulting from drives to the basket.
W/W shot 6-7 from the line while Chapman hit only 11-16.

In a close game like this, it is these stats that win or lose games.

In retrospect, Chapman played a good team tough, but W/W forced Chapman to play W/W's game, which caused some turnovers, taking away opportunities for Chapman to put points on the board.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: (509)Rat on December 19, 2012, 08:38:40 PM
Whitworth beat Redlands 70-57. Really didn't pull away until about 2 min left in the game. What's most impressive is holding Redlands to 30 points below their season average. Great defensive effort by Whitworth and they come out of SoCal with a clean sweep.

Hopefully dahlby has another eyewitness report.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on December 20, 2012, 12:40:06 AM
Rat:
I just got home from our triple hitter today at Chapman, where the Panther Ladies defeated a tough Trinity of Texas squad in the first game, Whitworth came on strong in the latter portion of the game to overtake Redlands, and Willamette defeated
Chapman in the night cap.

I will give my comments regarding the Pirates on the NWC board.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on December 21, 2012, 01:40:14 PM
Thursday night score:

Northwestern Ohio 78, Oxy 66

Las Vegas Hoopla Tournament. Oxy matched up against NAIA-2 Northwestern Ohio. The Tigers had a miserable first half. They shot only 26% on 9-for-35 and trailed 44-23 at halftime. In the second half Oxy rallied and closed to 48-42 at 14:30, but that's as close as they got. Kris Montoya scored 19, Ty Cobb had 12, and Ryan Chong scored 11.

Oxy (2-6) faces Washington & Jefferson (3-8) tonight.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on December 22, 2012, 12:14:33 PM
Friday night score:

Oxy 74, Washington & Jefferson 63

Las Vegas Hoopla Tournament. Oxy (3-6) took a 46-32 halftime lead on the strength of 12 3-pointers, 5 by Ryan Chong, and led comfortably the rest of the way. Chong finished with 18, Kris Montoya scored 15, and Conrad Liebowitz played a strong game with 14 points and 12 rebounds. Zack Belhy scored 21 for the Presidents (3-9).

Oxy is off until Dec. 30, when the Tigers play Colorado College at Chapman, and UC Santa Cruz on Dec. 31, also at Chapman.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on December 29, 2012, 06:24:29 PM
The 2012 version of the Tiger/Panther Classic will be held Sunday and Monday at Chapman's Hutton Gym.

The 1 PM Sunday contest has Oxy (3-6) taking on SCAC Conference member Colorado College (4-3). Colorado College comes in to the game with an early season 3 point victory over D1 neighbor Air Force.

The 3 PM game features Chapman (5-5) taking on D3 Independent UC Santa Cruz (4-9). UCSC has a 2 point win over CMS,
but took down CIT by only 5 points.

The 2 hosts keep the same game times on Monday, but switch opponents. It should be 4 interesting games.

Catch all the action at "chapmanathletics.com".
Good luck to the Tigers (of Oxy and Chapman's Panthers.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 29, 2012, 07:50:34 PM
Quote from: dahlby on December 29, 2012, 06:24:29 PMColorado College comes in to the game with an early season 3 point victory over D1 neighbor Air Force.

I'm not sure where you're getting that information. Colorado College and Air Force haven't played each other this season. Here's Air Force's schedule (http://www.goairforcefalcons.com/sports/m-baskbl/sched/afa-m-baskbl-sched.html) and here's Colorado College's. (http://www.cctigers.com/schedule.aspx?path=MBB&)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on December 29, 2012, 08:24:30 PM
Gregory,
Plus K for your find. I read the info on their D3 page, unfortunately, I did not realize that 2010 is long gone and we are now in
2012, pushing 2013. And,to top it off, I just got my new glasses 2 weeks ago!! :-)

One interesting thing that I did pick up from their schedule that I found interesting was that in some instances they play a team twice away (or at home if applicable) rather than a home and away each season. Probably due to travel costs.

Thanks again for the correction.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 29, 2012, 08:40:16 PM
Travel costs, plus an independent's need to pick up games wherever it can.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on December 29, 2012, 10:49:30 PM
Quote from: dahlby on December 29, 2012, 08:24:30 PM
One interesting thing that I did pick up from their schedule that I found interesting was that in some instances they play a team twice away (or at home if applicable) rather than a home and away each season. Probably due to travel costs.
I was checking the schedule of U of Dallas (the D3 school closest to me).  It is a SCAC school.  Apparently that is how they do it.  For travel costs as GS stated.  It was probably the idea of Colorado College because they go through their year one class at a time.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on December 30, 2012, 11:15:09 AM
Quote from: dahlby on December 29, 2012, 06:24:29 PM
Colorado College comes in to the game with an early season 3 point victory over D1 neighbor Air Force.

Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 29, 2012, 07:50:34 PM
I'm not sure where you're getting that information.

I was also surprised to read about dahlby's account of Colorado College's win over Air Force. I figured that it had been overshadowed by the bigger basketball news of the day that Chaminade beat Virginia.

Mixed bag of results for SCIAC teams yesterday:

Caltech beat visiting Bard 60-59. The Raptors led 59-55 with 1:50 to go, but Mike Edwards hit a 3-ball and then a jumper to give CIT the lead with 40 seconds left. Bard had its chances in the last seconds of the game but couldn't convert. CIT: Edwards 17, Kc Emezie 13. Bard may stop traveling to play Caltech over winter break. In 2007 Caltech routed Bard 81-52, which broke CIT's 207-game D-III losing streak. Caltech (1-10) hosts Anderson (5-5) on New Year's Eve.

Speaking of Anderson, the Ravens beat La Verne 72-68 in the Super Tents. ULV led 50-33 at 15:00, but Anderson outscored the Leopards 27-9 over the next 9 minutes for a 60-59 lead, and held off ULV down the stretch. ULV: Alex Wolpe 16, Jourdan Simmonds 16, Jake Vieth 14, Vince Bauer 10. La Verne (1-9) hosts MIT (8-2) on the 31st.

Claremont beat Southern Maine 81-75 in overtime, at the Salem State Holiday Classic. Jack Grodahl's 3-pointer with a minute to go gave CMS a 68-65 lead, but USM's Brandon Tomah hit a 3-ball with a second left to send the game into OT. After USM took a 69-68 lead, Claremont outscored the Huskies 9-2, and the Stags went on to victory. CMS: Cody Mivshek 17 and 10 rebs, Grodahl 13, Jason Harrington 13, Shelby Lane 11. Claremont (7-4) faces Maine-Presque Isle (6-5) today.

Whittier lost to visiting Lewis & Clark 78-69. The game was tied 37-37 at halftime. WC led 66-65 at 3:10, but the Pioneers outscored the Poets 13-3 to finish the game. WC: Chris Barnes-Williams 23, Tyree Landrum 15, Phillip Thomas 11. Whittier (5-6) hosts Valley City State (NAIA-2) today.

Cal Lutheran easily beat Northland 75-59 in the Thrivent Financial Tournament at CLU. The Kingsmen led by 29 a couple of times in the second half. CLU: Jayvaughn Nettles 20, Michael Palmer 13, Dan Wade 10. CLU (5-6) faces D3hoops No. 24 Williams (9-1) today.

Redlands lost to visiting Buena Vista 86-79. UR led by 14 in the first half, but BVU overpowered the Bulldogs in the second half. UR: Alex Rudd 13, Matt Calhoun 12, Josiah Brensdal 12, Tristan Kirk 11, Ricky Peetz 11. Today, Redlands (7-4) hosts Emerson (4-4), while Buena Vista (7-3) travels to Pomona (7-2).

Quote from: dahlby on December 29, 2012, 06:24:29 PM
The 1 PM Sunday contest has Oxy (3-6) taking on SCAC Conference member Colorado College (4-3).

Game note: Deshun McCoy did not make the recent trip to Las Vegas and is no longer on Oxy's roster. In seven games this season McCoy averaged 17 points and 6.6 rebounds, so he'll be sorely missed by the Tigers.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D O.C. on December 30, 2012, 05:38:56 PM
dahlby tried to pull a quick one on The Sage!

:)

I shoulda taken in a Cal Tech / Bard ghame just for the conversation piece.

Perhaps a short hop to Chapman Monday 1 PM.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on December 30, 2012, 08:39:28 PM
D O.C.
Pardon me, but I don't understand your comment.
If you go to the game Monday, look for me, I would like to meet you.
I will probably be doing the starting line-ups.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on December 30, 2012, 08:59:16 PM
Tigers 81, Tigers 73.

The Oxy Tigers kept fighting off the Colorado College Tigers this afternoon at Chapman University to take the win.
Box scores are posted the the D3 scoreboard for those interested. Oxy led most of the way, at times by over 10 points. CC kept fighting back  to reduce the margin.Fast paced game. Each team scored 20 points at the line, and had 5 3-pointers
apiece. Oxy had 19 turnovers to CC's 20. Oxy moved the ball well around the perimeter with sharp passes. The Oxy SID was there and his story will be on the Oxy website. Oxy played a decent game, and I think they are getting better, and are a better team than the record shows.

In the late game Chapman downed UC Santa Cruz  handily by a 75-50 margin. The Panthers dominated the game after UCSC
took an ealy lead.

In Monday's session Oxy takes on UCSC at 1 PM while Chapman will entertain Colorado College at 3 or 3:30 PM.

Both games will be sreamed at "chapmanathletics.com".
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on December 31, 2012, 01:34:25 PM
Sunday scores:

Buena Vista 75 Pomona 63

BVU led 38-36 at 16:40, and then outscored the Sagehens 26-5 over the next 6 minutes to put the game away. Pomona: Kyle McAndrews and David Okpalugo 10 pts each. Pomona (7-3) hosts NAIA-1 Biola (8-5) on Jan. 2.

Valley City St. 73 Whittier 69

VCSU, an NAIA-2 team from North Dakota, led by 19 at halftime. The Poets scratched back and trailed only 57-53 at 9:50 but couldn't get over. WC: Willie Mebane 20, Phillip Thomas 13, Aaron Fernandez 10. Whittier (5-7) is at Redlands (8-4) next Saturday.

Redlands 86 Emerson 77

Game tied 51-all at 14:50. UR got the lead and never gave it up the rest of the way. UR: Tristan Kirk 16, Alex Rudd 16, Josiah Brensdal 15 and 14 rebounds, Brian Kuklok 12.

Williams 71 Cal Lutheran 53

D3hoops No. 24 Willlams led from start to finish. The Kingsmen only trailed 43-40 at 13:40, but the Ephs had runs of 9-0 and 14-0 and won going away. CLU:  Jayvaughn Nettles 12, Dan Wade 12, Corey Quintana 11. Cal Lutheran (5-7) hosts Oxy (4-6) on the 5th.

Claremont 70 Maine-Presque Isle 46

Claremont opened the game 12-0 and was never headed. CMS: Kevin Sullivan 18, Cody Mivshek 10. Claremont (8-4) hosts Bethesda and old pal Bruce Victor this Friday.

EDIT:

In Oxy's 81-73 win over Colorado College, Kris Montoya scored 31, Ryan Chong scored 21, and David Yetenikyan had 10 points and 8 rebounds.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on December 31, 2012, 06:35:14 PM
Final from Monday:

UC Santa Cruz 68 Oxy 65

Oxy trailed 64-56 at 6:50, scored 9 straight to take the lead 65-64 at 3:30, and then didn't score the rest of the way, as UCSC made 4 FTs and got the win. Oxy: Kris Montoya 23, Eric Leider 18, Ryan Chong 11. The Tigers chucked up 37 3-pointers and made 14 of them, but lost the game at the FT line, making a pitiful 5-for-14.

Oxy is 4-7; UCSC is 5-10.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on December 31, 2012, 09:19:18 PM
Chapman upended Colorado College 62-48 in the final Tiger/Panther Classic held this afternoon at Chapman.
Chapman's young team continues to gel and hopefully will be competative when SCIAC action continues in January.

Just a few comments regarding Oxy's battle with UCSC. (I will not attempt a recap, but would suggest that those interested read the game write up from Oxy's very talented intern).
I was near the court action and was very impressed, (under the unusual circumstance that the coach (s) and players have been presented with):

The Oxy Coach is one of the most positive coaches with his team that I have ever seen......my Dad coached so I have been around basketball my entire life. The team is really cohesive and continually supported their teammates throughout both games this weekend.
Oxy was the better team against UCSC, the basket just would not let the ball through. The Tigers passed and ran their plays
to perfection, only to not have the ball fall thru the hoop. As OxyBob wrote though, no excuse for freethrows. I still think that Oxy will be a formitable team when SCIAC action resumes. We just have to let them make some adjustments for their player loss.

The upcoming Oxy/Chapman clash at Oxy on 1/26 should be interesting .

I hope each and every D3 poster a very Happy, Healthy and Prosperous New Year.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 01, 2013, 10:47:10 AM
Monday score:

MIT 77 La Verne 74

Caught most of the second half of the game on video. MIT led 57-45 at 13:30. ULV rallied and took the lead 65-64 at 6:05. MIT ran off 11 straight and led 75-65 at 3:20. Brett Stephan's 3-ball made it 77-74 with 10 seconds left. ULV fouled James Burke, who missed the FT. The Leopards got the ball upcourt into the hands of the right guy -- Jake Vieth -- but his 3-pointer was no good, and MIT got the win.

ULV: Vieth 25, Jourdan Simmonds 16, Alex Volpe 14 and 9 rebounds.

MIT: Todd Cramer DNP

After opening its season with a win over Willamette, La Verne has lost 10 straight.

Quote from: dahlby on December 31, 2012, 09:19:18 PM
The Oxy Coach is one of the most positive coaches with his team that I have ever seen

His name is Brian Newhall. He's only been coaching Oxy for 24 years, so you may not have heard his name before.

Quote from: dahlby on December 31, 2012, 09:19:18 PM
I still think that Oxy will be a formitable team when SCIAC action resumes.

Formidable? First Oxy has to get past being unamazing.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on January 01, 2013, 12:14:56 PM
OxyBob:

I am well aware of the Oxy Coach's name. Glad to see that you are back to your snide comments.
Does being a positive coach require a certain number of years experience?
I have known/seen new coaches and very experienced coaches who are not very positive, and some
that are. Sometimes you go overboard in your desires to be funny.

I stated that, in my opinion that Oxy "will be  a formitable team...." I didn't say they were. And, all things considered,
AS YOU SHOULD KNOW, they are working thru a situation not expected. Give 'em a break, they played their hearts out
and I respect that very much. They will get better as the year goes on.

UNAMAZING, you may look at the glass as half empty, I prefer to look at their Monday game as  being half full (or there)
as they executed good, just missing the final final part of the play with a shot that did not go in. We do agree on the free-throws though!

Have a Happy New Year!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 03, 2013, 06:55:24 AM
Wednesday scores:

Oxy 73 Emerson 63

Oxy led 42-30 at halftime. The Tigers led comfortably in the second half. Emerson cut the lead to 7 with 2 minutes to go but that's as close as they got. Oxy: Kris Montoya 17, Ryan Chong 17, Conrad Liebowitz 16, Ty Cobb 10 and 10 rebounds. Oxy shot 47% from the floor on 30-for-64, but were only 5-for-10 FTs.

Pomona 70 Biola 62

Pomona scored an impressive win over NAIA-1 Biola. 15-0 run gave the Sagehens a 29-11 lead, and they were never threatened. Pomona: Kyle McAndrews 20, Xavyr Moss 11, Jake Klewer 11 rebounds.

Saturday's SCIAC schedule:
Oxy (5-7, 0-3 SCIAC) @ Cal Lutheran (5-7, 1-2)
Pomona (8-3, 3-1) @ Caltech (1-11, 0-3)
Whittier (5-7, 1-2) @ Redlands (8-4, 3-0)

Nonconference:
Chapman (7-5) @ La Verne (1-10)
Claremont (8-4) hosts Bethesda (1-15) on Friday night. CMS is idle on Saturday.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: elfinley on January 03, 2013, 12:43:25 PM
Bob,
I have never seen you say a good thing about Chapman or its program, and when you report scores, you do not acknowledge CU as a member or report their scores like everyone else. I'm not complaining, but I would like to ask: Why do you hate Chapman so much? Just curious, so just asking...

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on January 03, 2013, 05:45:06 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 03, 2013, 06:55:24 AM

Nonconference:
Chapman (7-5) @ La Verne (1-10)

OxyBob

haha



sorry if this is a repeat...but after going off for 55 against la verne and 31 against Caltech... Phil Hogan recognized on D3hoops...great player, Caltech could simply not contain him (assuming La Verne had the same issue).

http://athletics.anderson.edu/news/2013/1/1/MBB_0101134009.aspx?path=mbball
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 03, 2013, 06:27:25 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on December 30, 2012, 11:15:09 AM
Speaking of Anderson, the Ravens beat La Verne 72-68 in the Super Tents. ULV led 50-33 at 15:00, but Anderson outscored the Leopards 27-9 over the next 9 minutes for a 60-59 lead, and held off ULV down the stretch. ULV: Alex Wolpe 16, Jourdan Simmonds 16, Jake Vieth 14, Vince Bauer 10. La Verne (1-9) hosts MIT (8-2) on the 31st.

Quote from: WoostAr on January 03, 2013, 05:45:06 PM
sorry if this is a repeat...but after going off for 55 against la verne and 31 against Caltech

I am embarrassed to say that I did not notice Hogan's incredible performance when I read the ULV-Anderson box score. Just looked at ULV's stats. Shame on me.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: (509)Rat on January 04, 2013, 01:01:38 PM
55  :o

La Verne still running and gunning? Still, 55 is impressive...unless you play for Grinnell  ::)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 04, 2013, 05:21:37 PM
Quote from: (509)Rat on January 04, 2013, 01:01:38 PM
La Verne still running and gunning?

For games played through December 16, La Verne averaged 55.6 points per game, worst in the SCIAC, and 402nd out of 408 D-III teams ranked. So the answer is no.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on January 04, 2013, 05:27:54 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 04, 2013, 05:21:37 PM
Quote from: (509)Rat on January 04, 2013, 01:01:38 PM
La Verne still running and gunning?

For games played through December 16, La Verne averaged 55.6 points per game, worst in the SCIAC, and 402nd out of 408 D-III teams ranked. So the answer is no.

OxyBob
Kind of anti-Grinnell.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 05, 2013, 10:39:12 AM
Friday score:

Claremont 77 Bethesda 58

Claremont won easily. The Stags led at halftime 44-23 or 44-24 (the box score play-by-play is vague on this point), and 12 players got PT. Bethesda played only their 5 starters.

CMS: Jason Harrington 19, Cody Mivshek 17, Remy Pinson 12, Jack Grodahl 12 and 12 rebounds, Kevin Sullivan 11.

It's Saturday night in the SCIAC, but due to a really stupid decision by the league, Claremont (9-4, 5-0 SCIAC) isn't playing. Claremont's next SCIAC game will Saturday Jan. 12 at Redlands.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 06, 2013, 09:29:23 AM
Saturday night SCIAC action:

Eyewitness report from Thousand Oaks:

Cal Lutheran 53 Oxy 51

Nice, well-behaved, quite crowd at CLU. Winter break, so no students were present to root on either side. Slow-moving game. CLU led 12-6 at 12:10. Oxy outscored the Kingsmen 15-2 the rest of the half and led 21-14 at halftime. CLU picked it up and led 44-35 at 6:45 and looked to be in control. Oxy chipped away and Juwan Rice's layup made it 51-50 at 2:15. Dan Wade responded with a jumper to make it 53-50. Ty Cobb was fouled with 51 seconds left and made one FT to cut the lead to 53-51. Oxy fouled Jayvaughn Nettles with 8 seconds to go. Nettles missed the front end of a 1-and-1. Oxy got off a couple of shots but couldn't get one to go, and CLU escaped with the win.

Oxy: Juwan Rice 18, Ty Cobb 9 and 10 rebounds. Oxy's leading scorer Kris Montoya (18.2 ppg) hobbled around on a bad foot and was held to 2 points. Montoya's status is up in the air.

CLU: Corey Quintana 17, Dan Wade 12, Jayvaughn Nettles 11.

Elsewhere:

Pomona 75 Caltech 42

No contest. Pomona led 34-13 at halftime. Pomona: John Weiss 15, Jake Klewer 13, Kyle McAndrews 12. CIT: Kc Emezie 12, Pan Wang 10. The Sagehens outrebounded the Beavers 54-31. Caltech was 0-for-16 shooting 3s.

Redlands 93 Whittier 79

WC led 47-46 at halftime. The Poets led 59-53 at 16:05. Redlands went on a 12-1 run to lead 65-60, and then steadily pulled away. Whittier: Tyree Landrum 15 and 9 rebounds but only 1-for-10 FTs, Jacob Porter 13, Aaron Fernandez 12, Cris Barnes-Williams 12, Willie Mebane 11. Redlands: Alex Rudd 24, Ricky Peetz 14, Brandon Hrboka 13, Eric Radford 10.

In nonconference play, La Verne got a 73-63 win over visiting Chapman. ULV: Alex Wolpe 19 and 12 rebounds, Jourdan Simmonds 17, Jake Vieth 13.

Wednesday's SCIAC schedule:

Cal Lutheran (6-7, 2-2 SCIAC) @ Whittier (5-8, 1-3)
Redlands (9-4, 4-0) @ La Verne (2-10, 1-3)
Caltech (1-12, 0-4) @ Oxy (5-8, 0-4)

Nonconference:
Tuesday 1/8 -- Pomona (9-3) @ Cal State San Marcos (14-4) (NAIA-1)
Wednesday 1/9 -- Chapman (7-6) @ Claremont (9-4)

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: (509)Rat on January 06, 2013, 11:08:03 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 06, 2013, 09:29:23 AM
Pomona 75 Caltech 42

No contest.

Don't tell WoostAr...
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on January 06, 2013, 12:10:44 PM
Quote from: elfinley on January 03, 2013, 12:43:25 PM
Bob,
I have never seen you say a good thing about Chapman or its program, and when you report scores, you do not acknowledge CU as a member or report their scores like everyone else. I'm not complaining, but I would like to ask: Why do you hate Chapman so much? Just curious, so just asking...



Jealousy, Scoreboard..AND..the PANTHER... ;D ;D ;D ;D
http://youtube.googleapis.com/v/0N7K1VPhpyI?autoplay=1
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on January 06, 2013, 02:17:30 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 06, 2013, 09:29:23 AM

Cal Lutheran 53 Oxy 51

Nice, well-behaved, quite quiet crowd at CLU.

OxyBob
I'm sorry OxyBob, but a Panther took over my mind temporarily and I was compelled to make this change. :o
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 06, 2013, 02:26:30 PM
Man, I hate it when panthers take over my mind.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 09, 2013, 04:11:46 PM
Tonight:

Caltech (1-12, 0-4 SCIAC) @ Oxy (5-8, 0-4)

Oxy is dinged up. Kris Montoya, the SCIAC's leading scorer (18.2 ppg), has a bad foot and is questionable. So is Juwan Rice, a transfer from Boston University, who scored 18 in Oxy's 53-51 loss to Cal Lutheran last Saturday. Rice suffered a concussion in the CLU game and is also questionable for tonight's game. As I previously posted, in December Oxy lost Deshun McCoy (17.0 ppg), who's no longer with the team.

Without Montoya and Rice, it'll be up to the rest of the Tigers to pick up the slack. Good opportunity for Caltech to get a conference road win for the first time since I don't know when. Could be exciting!

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on January 09, 2013, 07:28:32 PM
Well, decided to fight the traffic to go up and check out CMS in person tonight during their quasi SCIAC game tonight.
Maybe run into a CMS poster if any are at the game.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on January 09, 2013, 07:47:24 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 09, 2013, 04:11:46 PM
Tonight:

Caltech (1-12, 0-4 SCIAC) @ Oxy (5-8, 0-4)

Oxy is dinged up. Kris Montoya, the SCIAC's leading scorer (18.2 ppg), has a bad foot and is questionable. So is Juwan Rice, a transfer from Boston University, who scored 18 in Oxy's 53-51 loss to Cal Lutheran last Saturday. Rice suffered a concussion in the CLU game and is also questionable for tonight's game. As I previously posted, in December Oxy lost Deshun McCoy (17.0 ppg), who's no longer with the team.

Without Montoya and Rice, it'll be up to the rest of the Tigers to pick up the slack. Good opportunity for Caltech to get a conference road win for the first time since I don't know when. Could be exciting!

OxyBob

You have a loud baseball team on your side if memory serves.



If Caltech shoots like they did at Pomona (17% first half, 26% for the game, 0% from 3), they have no chance against Oxy or anyone else.  They have been taking open shots, but there are no points awarded for that...they gotta put it in the hoop.  Hopefully they got their shooting in this week.

See you tonight sir!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CMSfan on January 10, 2013, 12:38:31 AM
Quote from: dahlby on January 09, 2013, 07:28:32 PM
Well, decided to fight the traffic to go up and check out CMS in person tonight during their quasi SCIAC game tonight.
Maybe run into a CMS poster if any are at the game.

Shoot, didn't see this until now.  Tough night for your guys...ball was not bouncing their way.  Thanks for making the drive out to Claremont!

CMS won 68-56.  Here's the box: http://www.cmsathletics.org/sports/mbkb/2012-13/boxscores/20130109_grk6.xml (http://www.cmsathletics.org/sports/mbkb/2012-13/boxscores/20130109_grk6.xml)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on January 10, 2013, 01:51:12 AM
Yep, CMS is for real! They pretty much controled the game throughput. And as their youngsters get more experienced, they should become a ranked team once again.
Some important stats:
53% fg's vs 37% for CU
rebounding edge of 39-21 (almost every CU shot was contested)
CMS was devasting in the paint.
6 blocked shots to 1 for CU.
CMS has 16 turnovers to 10 for CU. CMS made up for this with the other stats.
Chapman had a few good runs to keep the score respectable, but CMS did dominate each time CU had a run.

I enjoyed the atmosphere in Ducey.

Hopefully CU's women will have better luck tomorrow night againts CMS.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 10, 2013, 02:45:24 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 09, 2013, 04:11:46 PM
Without Montoya and Rice, it'll be up to the rest of the Tigers to pick up the slack. Good opportunity for Caltech to get a conference road win for the first time since I don't know when. Could be exciting!

Eyewitness report from Eagle Rock:

Oxy 78 Caltech 71

Oxy blew a 14-point halftime lead but held on to win. The Tigers played a strong 1st half, shooting 59.4% from the floor including 6-for-12 on 3s, and their full court press bothered and disrupted Caltech. Oxy led 33-30 at 4:20, scored 10 straight in less than a minute for a 43-30 lead, and led 49-35 at halftime. The Tigers still led by 14 at 58-44 at 13:15, but Caltech started chipping away. A 10-3 run cut the lead to 61-54. Oxy led 68-61 at 6:30, but CIT scored 7 straight and tied the game 68-all on Joel Bryan's 3-ball with 5 minutes to go. We have a ballgame! Chad Tanioka immediately answered with a layup for Oxy. CIT had several chances to re-tie or take the lead, but the Beavers couldn't knock one down, and the Tigers led the rest of the way.

Oxy: Eric Leider 18, Ryan Chong 17, Chad Tanioka 11, Sam Stapleton 10, Conrad Liebowitz 10 and 11 rebounds.

Caltech: Michael Edwards 20, Collin "Danny Ainge" Murphy 16, Alex Runkel 15.

Key stat: Free throws. CIT was 18-for-31 (58%) and Oxy was 10-for-19 (53%). Feel free to make your free throws. They're free.

Other SCIAC scores:

Cal Lutheran 57 Whittier 43. The Poets shot only 28.6% on 16-for-56. Speaking of FTs: CLU 13-for-13, WC 8-for-15.

Redlands 71 La Verne 60. ULV led 43-38 at halftime but went stone cold in the second half, shooting only 18.5% on 5-for-27. Redlands outscored the Leopards 16-2 over the last 9 minutes.

A full SCIAC schedule this Saturday, all games 7:00 p.m.:

La Verne (2-11, 1-4 SCIAC) @ Cal Lutheran (7-7, 3-2)   
Claremont (10-4, 6-0) @ Redlands (10-4, 5-0)
Whittier (5-9, 1-4) @ Caltech (1-13, 0-5)
Oxy (6-8, 1-4) @ Pomona (9-4, 4-1)

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CMSfan on January 13, 2013, 01:30:25 AM
Redlands 86, Stags 80

Box: http://www.cmsathletics.org/sports/mbkb/2012-13/boxscores/20130112_nbv5.xml (http://www.cmsathletics.org/sports/mbkb/2012-13/boxscores/20130112_nbv5.xml)

Redlands played a solid all-around game and did a great job of making the Stags play a style of basketball that doesn't suit them well.  The game was neck-and-neck for 30 minutes, but Redlands had what I think was an eight point run to turn a one point lead into a nine point lead with less than 10 minutes to play and never looked back.

The Bulldogs brought a balanced and efficient scoring attack, with five guys in double figures and team shooting percentages of 53% overall, 59% on three-pointers, and 79% from the line.  Not many teams can win allowing their opponents to shoot like that, least of all CMS.  The 86 points from Redlands is 24 more than the Stags' season average of points allowed.  Redlands was very effective at balancing a fast pace with smart decisions and good shooting.

The Stags offense showed flashes of the precision they have displayed the past few games, but for the most part they looked complacent, settling for three pointers even though there was plenty of time on the shot clock.  They were 11 for 33 from behind the arc, and 25 for 56 overall...so 14 for 23 on FGs that weren't threes...too bad almost 60% of their shots were threes.  So, again, credit to Redlands for playing tough D and keeping the Stags on their heels.

Hopefully the Stags can get back to their winning ways on Wednesday vs. Cal Lu.

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 13, 2013, 12:19:44 PM
Saturday SCIAC scores:

Quote from: CMSfan on January 13, 2013, 01:30:25 AM
Redlands 86, Stags 80

Redlands (6-0) is in first place by itself, with Claremont (6-1) and Pomona (5-1) behind UR.

Pomona 84 Oxy 59

Pomona led 23-8 at 12:15 of the first half, but the Tigers came back to 31-28 at 3:15. The Sagehens led 40-30 at halftime. In the second half, Pomona shot 49% and made 8 3-pointers, and steadily pulled away. Oxy: Conrad Liebowitz 10, Kris Montoya 10. Pomona: Kyle McAndrews 17, John Weiss 16, Michael Cohen 14.

La Verne 52 Cal Lutheran 51

CLU led 51-45 with 3 minutes left, but ULV scored the last 7 points and won the game. Eric Becker's jumper gave the Leopards the lead with 49 seconds to go. CLU's Collin Knudsen and Corey Quintana both missed in the last 10 seconds. ULV: Jake Vieth 19. CLU: Quintana 20, Jeremy Sulker-Hall 10.

Whittier 76 Caltech 66

WC led only 52-49 with 12:10 left, but Caltech go no closer. Whittier: Tyree Landrum 18, Aaron Fernandez 17, Chris Barnes-Williams 15, Jacob Porter 11, Phillip Thomas 10. Caltech: Mike Edwards 21, Kc Emezie 16, Alex Runkel 12 points and 18 rebounds, Bryan Joel 10.

Wednesday's SCIAC schedule:
Caltech  (1-14, 0-6 SCIAC) @ La Verne (3-11, 2-4)
Pomona (10-4, 5-1) @ Whittier (6-9, 2-4)
Cal Lutheran (7-8, 3-3) @ Claremont (10-5, 6-1)

Nonconference:
Redlands (11-4) @ Chapman (7-7)

Oxy is idle. The Tigers will host Whittier on the 19th.

OxyBob
Title: BBallJunkie81's 2012-13 SCIAC Mid-Term Progress Report - By the Numbers
Post by: BBallJunkie81 on January 15, 2013, 07:06:28 PM
Basketball is a team sport, individual stats are fine, but I am far more interested on how the team, not individuals, perform with players in and out of the lineup.  Crunching SCIAC game data we can determine which players strengthen a team's performance. Here are players making the biggest impact on their teams as we head towards the home stretch this season:

Brian Kuklok, Redlands - Redlands is on top of the standings and Kuklok is edging out his teammates Tristan Kirk and Josiah Brensdal as the biggest difference maker on the team.

Shelby Lane, CMS - The 6'8 freshman is making quite an impact on his team.  His floor presence is huge defensively while still managing to improve the team's offensive output.  Remy Pinson, Kevin Sullivan and Cody Mivshek improve the offensive output for the team.

Michael Cohen, Pomona-Pitzer - Cohen hasn't played in all the games, but the number crunching indicates he makes twice the difference as the second most significant contributor, Jake Klewer.

Corey Quintana, Cal Lutheran - Another freshman center with a strong impact on his team's performance.  Quintana is edging out Michael Palmer and Jeremy Sulker-Hall who seems to make a significant defensive impact.

Colin Zavrsnick, Chapman - The numbers indicate Zavrsnick makes a strong impact offensively and defensively for this team.  Taylor Hamasaki, Colin Chadwick and Jordan Young also make solid contributions when they are on the floor.

Willie Mebane and Tyree Landrum, Whittier - Both these gentlemen are making significant impacts on the floor.  Mebane makes his team score better while Landrum, although a good scorer, adds a paint presence which makes the team defense stronger.

Alex Wolpe, La Verne - Wolpe makes La Verne score better when he is on the floor while more than holding their own defensively.  Jourdan Simmonds also provides an offensive pop with no letdown on the defensive end.

Sam Stapleton and Ty Cobb, Occidental - Oxy is struggling this year, but these two gentleman seem to improve their play while on the floor, especially on the defensive end.   Kris Montoya's presence provides an offensive boost.

Collin Murphy, CalTech - Murphy is not getting the minutes some of his peers are getting, but his team's play, especially on the defensive end, improves the most when he is on the floor.  Michael Edwards provides the biggest offensive boost, but it is curtailed by a defensive letdown.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on January 17, 2013, 02:00:32 AM
Watched a close game at Hutton Gym in Orange tonight. Chapman handed Redlands their first SCIAC loss of the season by a close 74-69 score. The game wasn't decided until just around 6 seconds remained. Intense game the entire time. The difference was at the free throw line where Chapman had an edge of 31-37 to Redland's 19-22. Chapman had a 3 point halftime lead, that quickly vanished in the second half, as the lead changed several times. Both teams had around 14 turnovers.

Redlands is a good team, and forced Chapman to play one of its best performances of the year.

La Verne topped Caltech 90-66
Whittier suprised Pomona 61-58
CMS took Cal Lu 69-65
OXY was idle.
I need to loook at the stats of the 2 close games....too bad I don't know how to tape delay the web streamed games, as I would have enjoyed watching the Whittier and CMS contests.

Game write-ups and box score for the Chapman game is available at "chapmanathletics.com"
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on January 17, 2013, 05:16:31 PM
BBALLJUNKIE...good stuff!...do you have all of this data crunched somewhere that's accessible?  Would love to take a gander at it.


Your take on Murphy jives completely with what I've observed.  The Edwards part doesn't jive with my observations, but I guess that's why statistics exist...can't really argue the point.



Caltech laid a complete egg last night...double dribbling and traveling and not inbounding the ball well (or to the right team) and so on....bright spot was the continued development of KC Emezie 8 of 14 from the field and he decided he would shoot 3's last night too...3 of 4 from distance w/ 5 rebounds and 2 steals.  Next game for the Beavers is CMS at home this saturday...Alumni night....is Elmquist allowed to suit up??
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BBallJunkie81 on January 18, 2013, 11:25:32 PM
Thanks WoostAr for the kind words.  Based on your comments regarding Edwards I crunched the latest data (last time I did it was a couple of games ago).  Here are the numbers for some of the CalTech players:

1) Murphy slows the game down and actually causes CalTech to score 2 ppg less when he is on the floor.  But, when he is on the floor CalTech decreases opposition scoring by 18ppg... a net positive of 16ppg!  Dr. Eslinger should find more PT for this young man.

2) Hogue does a nice job of increasing scoring by 4ppg and decreasing opposition scoring by 6ppg... a net of 10ppg.

3) Edwards increases scoring to the tune of 6.8ppg  and (contrary to my previous message) decreases opposition scoring by 1.6ppg... a net of 8.4ppg.

4) Runkel decreases CalTech scoring by 2.5ppg but also decreases opposition scoring by 10.4ppg for a net 7.9ppg.

5) Emezie increases scoring rate a bit more than Edwards (7.3 to 6.8 ppg) but opposition is scoring 3.9ppg more when he is on the floor for a net positive of 3.4ppg.

Crunching game data, these are the 5 CalTech players which make the team stronger when on the floor.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on January 19, 2013, 08:46:32 PM
Great stuff...thanks for the info.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on January 20, 2013, 12:51:25 AM
CMS at Caltech...CMS wins 69-65 in OT.

GREAT game tonight at Caltech.  CMS got out with a win by the skin of their teeth, they're a half court three at the end of the first half away from a loss.

KC Emezie came out strong...scoring 7 early, finishing with 13 points and five rebounds...Bryan Joel, Michael Edwards and Andrew Hogue all in double digits.

Alex Runkel did the iron man tonight playing every single minute until he fouled out in overtime...he battled 3 different CMS big men and lead Caltech to a 42-38 rebounding edge.

CMS shot 42% from the field and 38% from 3...missed a lot of free throws down the stretch, 46% from the line on the night. 

Was impressed by CMS freshman Nick Lund...6'8" with GREAT feet and some bulk...look for him to develop into a nightmare for other SCIAC teams.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on January 20, 2013, 01:05:47 AM
Neglected to mention Alex Runkel also had 7 steals.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cmsme on January 20, 2013, 08:46:05 AM
And Caltech had more rebounds, steals and blocks than CMS!
I think hell will freeze over before you get that close again but way to go Caltech. Something good must be happening.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on January 24, 2013, 12:58:31 AM
cmsme,

Hell has not frozen over yet, but something good is happening at Caltech, as the Beavers took Chapman to the final minute of the game before dropping a 72-65 decision to the Panthers in Orange tonight.

Each time Chapman pulled away, Caltech would rally to bring the game back within a couple of points or tie.

Game stats and box score are at "chapmanathletics.com".

Chapman travels to Oxy Saturday to take on the Tigers in "quasi SCIAC action".

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CMSfan on January 24, 2013, 01:09:18 AM
Stags 65, PP 58

Box: http://www.cmsathletics.org/sports/mbkb/2012-13/boxscores/20130123_j35o.xml (http://www.cmsathletics.org/sports/mbkb/2012-13/boxscores/20130123_j35o.xml)

Awesome game at Ducey tonight (for us CMS fans). Jack Grodahl went nuts for a stretch in the first half, hitting seven straight shots for the Stags, including six threes. That put CMS up for good, though the Sagehens were pretty much always within 10.

Grodahl finished with 28 on the game, on 11-15 shooting, helping compensate for rough shooting nuts from Pinson and and Sullivan.  Cody Mivshek added 11 and Shelby Lane had 10 (including big dunks at the beginning and end of the game) to account for almost all of the Stags' scoring.  Mivshek and Jack Earley played great defense all game and seemed to be involved in most of the big plays.  Perhaps most importantly, CMS only turned the ball over 5 times in the game.  A great all-around effort from CMS coming off the scare in Pasadena on Saturday.

P-P got out of sync on offense a few times, but Kyle McAndrews did a valiant job of trying to keep them in the game and ended up with 22 in the game.

Rematch across the street in three weeks!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: goldsoundz on January 24, 2013, 02:07:18 AM
Caught the 2nd half of the Caltech-Chapman game.  Some home cooking by the refs, especially in the final 10 minutes when Caltech tried to take the lead.  The nail in the coffin was a blown shot clock violation that gave Chapman a wide open layup to go ahead 68-64 with a minute left.  This was probably the best 2 game stretch by Caltech in who knows how long.  If they keep it up they're bound to pick up a win.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 24, 2013, 11:06:17 AM
La Verne 82 Oxy 74

Oxy led 42-40 at the half. ULV led 61-59 at 10:12 and then scored 10 straight for a 71-59 lead. The Tigers cut it to 75-72 with 2:40 left, but ULV's Jake Vieth immediately hit a 3-ball, and the Leopards made FTs to secure the win.

Oxy: Sam Stapleton 15, Conrad Liebowitz 14 and 9 rebounds, Eric Leider 13, Ryan Chong 13, Ty Cobb 10. Kris Montoya, the SCIAC's leading scorer (18.1 ppg) did not play because of a bad knee.
ULV: Ronn See 23 and 12 rebounds, Jake Vieth 22, Vince Bauer 10, Alex Volpe 10

Horrible FT shooting by both teams: Oxy 7-for-21 (33%), La Verne 5-for-14 (36%).

La Verne (5-12, 4-5 SCIAC) has won 3 of its last 4. The Leopards host UC Santa Cruz (6-12) in a nonconference game this Saturday. Oxy (6-11, 1-7) hosts Chapman (10-7) in another nonconference game.

Saturday's SCIAC games:
Cal Lutheran (7-11, 3-6) @ Caltech (1-17, 0-9)
Redlands (12-5, 7-1) @ Pomona (11-6, 6-3)
Claremont (13-5, 9-1) @ Whittier (8-9, 4-4)

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 24, 2013, 12:49:40 PM
If anyone cares, Redlands will be featured on Hoopsville tonight. Show starts at 7 PM EST at www.d3hoopsville.com.

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Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 24, 2013, 12:55:26 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 24, 2013, 12:49:40 PM
If anyone cares, Redlands will be featured on Hoopsville tonight.

Thanks for the tip. Will listen in.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gosox on January 24, 2013, 01:08:25 PM
Watched the Champman / Caltech contest.  Good game with lots of energy by both teams.  Congrats to Michael Edwards on climbing his career points count to 1,501 career points. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 27, 2013, 06:52:47 AM
Saturday's SCIAC scores:

Whittier 84 Claremont 80

Whittier built a 15-point 2nd half lead and then hung on for the win. The Poets have won 4 straight. WC: Willie Mebane 25, Phillip Thomas 16, Tyree Landrum 10. CMS: Cody Mivshek 21, Jack Grodahl 21.

Cal Lutheran 66 Caltech 47

CLU got out to a 25-8 lead and never looked back. CLU: Michael Palmer 14, Jayvaughn Nettles 13. CIT: Pang Wang 10

Redlands 95 Pomona 86 OT

Pomona went 4 minutes without scoring in OT. With Claremont's loss, Redlands took over 1st place in the conference. UR: Alex Rudd 25, Josiah Brensdal 21, Eric Radford 12, Tristan Kirk 11, Brian Kuklok 11. Pomona: Michael Cohen 18, Jake Klewer 18 and 16 rebounds, Xayvr Moss 15, Kyles McAndrews 11

Nonconference:

La Verne 82 UC Santa Cruz 70

ULV led all the way. ULV: Jake Vieth 31, Alex Volpe 16 and 9 rebounds, Vince Bauer 10. UCSC: Trent Reeves 25, Spencer Wells 11, Jared Ponce 11

Chapman 65 Oxy 52

Chapman led 40-37, and then went on a 15-2 run to put the game away. Chapman: Justin Young 14, Colin Chadwick 12 and 10 rebounds, Colin Zavrsnick 12, Taylor Hamasaki 11. Oxy: Ryan Chong 18.

Wednesday's SCIAC schedule:

Whittier (9-9, 5-4 SCIAC) @ Cal Lutheran (8-11, 4-6)
La Verne (6-12, 4-5) @ Redlands (13-5, 8-1)
Oxy (6-12, 1-8) @ Caltech (1-18, 0-10)

Nonconference:

Claremont (13-6) @ Chapman (11-7)

Pomona is idle.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on January 29, 2013, 02:28:36 PM
Any CMS posters coming down to Chapman on Wednesday and/or Thursday please PM me.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CMSfan on January 30, 2013, 01:51:33 AM
Quote from: dahlby on January 29, 2013, 02:28:36 PM
Any CMS posters coming down to Chapman on Wednesday and/or Thursday please PM me.

I wish I could make it, but it doesn't look like I'll be able to get down there.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on January 31, 2013, 12:30:02 AM
CMS over Chapman 55-44.
Chapman led 23-20 at the half, but CMS came out very strong in the 2nd half and built around a 17 point lead midway thru the final period and cruised to the win after that.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 31, 2013, 07:58:46 AM
Eyewitness report from Pasadena:

Oxy 70 Caltech 61

Entertaining game. Caltech fans all riled up, hoping for a win over Oxy like 2 years ago. Oxy got off to a 10-2 lead, but CIT came back and tied it at 31. Two FTs by Conrad Liebowitz gave Oxy a 33-31 halftime lead.

Back-and-forth for the first 10 minutes of the second half. Oxy led 45-44, then outscored the Beavers 14-5 for a 59-49 lead at 6:45. Caltech didn't get closer than 5 the rest of the way.

Oxy: Ryan Chong 18, Eric Leider 16, David Yetenikan 14 and 9 rebounds, Conrad Liebowitz 10. Oxy's leading scorer Kris Montoya (18.1 ppg) DNP because of a bad knee. Caltech: Andrew Hogue 17 and 9 rebounds, Kc Emezie 17, Mike Edwards 10.

Other SCIAC scores:

Redlands 67 La Verne 51 -- Redlands led all the way. UR: Eric Radford 16, Josiah Brensdal 15, Tristan Kirk 13, Matt Calhoun 10 and 10 rebounds. ULV: Jake Vieth 18, Vince Bauer 10.

Whittier 56 Cal Lutheran 55 -- Tyree Landrum's layup with 24 seconds left was the winner for WC. The Poets have won 5 straight. WC: Willie Mebane 19, Eric Goedde 10. CLU: Jeremy Sulker Hall 14, Martin Flowers 13, Corey Quintana 10.

Saturday's SCIAC schedule:

Cal Lutheran (8-12, 4-7 SCIAC) @ Oxy (7-12, 2-8)
Redlands (14-5, 9-1) @ Whittier (10-9, 6-4)
Caltech (1-19, 0-11) @ Pomona (11-7, 6-4)

Claremont (14-6, 10-2) is idle.

Nonconference:

La Verne (6-13) @ Chapman (11-8)

OxyBob

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 03, 2013, 09:55:28 AM
Saturday's SCIAC scoreboard:

Cal Lutheran 61 Oxy 56

Oxy led by 11 in the second half, but CLU chipped away and won it. Oxy: Sam Stapleton 15, Ryan Chong 13, Conrad Liebowitz 7 and 12 rebounds. CLU: Corey Quintana 20 and 9 rebs, Dan Wade 14, Jayvaughn Nettles 9 and 11 rebs.

Redlands 80 Whittier 79

Redlands led 80-70 at 3:40. Whittier came back to 80-79 and had the ball with 15 seconds left, but couldn't get the winner. UR: Josiah Brensdal 20 and 8 rebs, Alex Rudd 14 and 8 rebs, Tristan Kirk 10 and 9 assists, Brian Kuklok 10. WC: Phillip Thomas 25, Chris Barnes-Williams 20, Tyree Landrum 18, 10 rebs, and 6 blocks, Jacob Porter 12.

Pomona 72 Caltech 56

Game tied 52-52 at 7:20. Pomona outscored Caltech 20-4 the rest of the way. Pomona: Kyle McAndrews 18, John Weiss 17, Michael Cohen 12, Xayvr Moss 10, Joe Knight 10. CIT: Andrew Hogue 21, Mike Edwards 15, Kc Emezie 11.

Nonconference:

La Verne 58 Chapman 47

La Verne made an 11-point halftime lead stand up. ULV: Jake Vieth 22, Alonzo Young 11. CU: Colin Zavrsnick 16, Taylor Hamasaki 13.

Wednesday's SCIAC schedule:

Whittier (10-10, 6-5 SCIAC) @ La Verne (7-13, 5-6)
Oxy (7-13, 2-9) @ Claremont (14-6, 10-2)
Caltech (1-20, 0-12) @ Redlands (15-5, 10-1)

Cal Lutheran (9-12, 5-7) is idle.

Nonconference:

Pomona-Pitzer (12-7) @ Chapman (11-9)

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cmsme on February 03, 2013, 04:02:53 PM
I am beginning to feel sorry for Caltech. They come so close but can't get over the hump.
I think teams must play harder against them than they do against whatever team is in first place.
Once Caltech get 5 wins and it is no longer front page news when they win, I am sure it is going to be much easier.
I was one of those people who couldn't understand why Caltech was in the SCIAC if it hadn't won a game in 20 years, but now, I am rooting for you.

Stag44--I am sorry you are coaching and can no longer give us your lengthy analysis of all the SCIAC teams.
Good luck in the tournament.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on February 04, 2013, 01:16:09 PM
It all works out though: the other team may be working harder, but there have been a lot of chunked free throws against Caltech at end of game.  Notably the first game against Oxy and CMS in the second game.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 07, 2013, 07:44:16 AM
Wednesday night's SCIAC scores:

Claremont 80, Oxy 63 -- CMS steadily pulled away in the 2nd half. CMS: Cody Mivshek 20, Kevin Sullivan 12, Nick Lund 12. Oxy: Eric Leider 16, Conrad Liebowitz 7 and 11 rebs.

Redlands 89, Caltech 52 -- UR led 14-12, outscored CIT 23-2 for 37-14 lead, led by 30 at halftime, everyone played. UR: Alex Rudd 21, Matt Calhoun 15, Eric Radford 13. CIT: Bryan Joel 14, Emezie-Edwards-Hogue 12 each.

La Verne 77, Whittier 69 -- Leopards have won 7 of 10. After 5 straight wins, Poets have lost their last 2. ULV: Jake Vieth 33, Alex Volpe 14 and 10 rebs. WC: Chris Barnes-Williams 25, Dylan Irwin 15.

Cal Lutheran was idle.

Nonconference:

Pomona 51, Chapman 44 -- Sagehens got a road win. Pomona: Jake Klewer 10, Donald Okpalugo 10. CU: Jordan Young 12.

Saturday's SCIAC schedule:

Oxy (7-14, 2-10 SCIAC) @ Redlands (16-5, 11-1)
La Verne (8-13, 6-6) @ Claremont (15-6, 11-2)
Pomona (13-7, 8-4) @ Cal Lutheran (9-12, 5-7)

Caltech (1-21, 0-13) is idle.

Nonconference:

Whittier (10-11) @ Chapman (11-10)

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 07, 2013, 12:57:06 PM
The first regional ranking are out. Not surprisingly, there's not a SCIAC team in sight:

QuoteWest
1   St. Thomas 20-1 (in-region) 20-1 (overall)
2   Whitworth 19-1 20-1
3   UW-Stevens Point 18-4 18-4
4   UW-Whitewater 16-4 17-4
5   UW-Stout   16-4   17-4
6   Buena Vista 15-5 16-5
7   Augsburg   15-5   15-5
8   Luther 14-4 15-6
9   Concordia-Moorhead 15-6 15-7

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 10, 2013, 08:37:00 AM
Saturday's SCIAC scores:

Redlands 95, Oxy 87 -- Oxy blew a 16-point second half lead. UR: Alex Rudd 20, Brian Kuklok 19, Tristan Kirk 15 and 11 rebs, Josiah Brensdal 14, Eric Radford 10. OC: Kris Montoya 25, Ryan Chong 23, Ty Cobb 16 and 11 rebs, Eric Leider 12.

Cal Lutheran 59, Pomona 56 -- Horrible FT shooting (4-for-15) did in the Sagehens. CLU: Guy Lynott 19, Dan Wade 14. Pomona: John Weiss 13, Michael Coen 11, Kyle McAndrews 10.

Claremont 76, La Verne 68 -- 18-point second half by Cody Mivshek leads Stags to win. CMS: Mivshek 23 and 8 rebs, Kevin Sullivan 11, Remy Pinson 10. ULV: Jake Vieth 22, Alex Volpe 11 and 8 rebs.

Caltech (1-21, 0-13) was idle.

Nonconference:

Whittier 61, Chapman 58 OT -- Poets snapped a 2-game losing streak with OT win. WC: Jacob Porter 16, Tyree Landrum 13 and 12 rebs, Willie Mebane 12 and 8 rebs, Chris Barnes-Williams 10. CU: Colin Zavrsnick 22, Justin Young 16 and 12 rebs.

Monday's SCIAC game:

Oxy (7-15, 2-11 SCIAC) @ Whittier (11-11, 7-6)

Nonconference:

Chapman (11-11) @ Redlands (17-5)

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 11, 2013, 02:41:23 PM
On Feb. 10, Caltech's Mason Freedman got some ink in Bill Plaschke's column in the Los Angeles Times:

They were two Caltech games for the record books
http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-plaschke-20130210,0,3848182,full.column

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 12, 2013, 01:11:31 AM
Monday's SCIAC score:

Whittier 96, Oxy 74 -- WC: Chris Barnes-Williams 27, Tyree Landrum 20 and 10 rebs, Willie Mebane 19 pts/5 rebs/6 assists, Aaron Fernandez 16. OC: Kris Montoya and Ryan Chong 19 each, David Yetenikyan 13 and 12 rebs.

Nonconference:

Redlands 75, Chapman 56 --  UR: Josiah Brensdal 16 and 8 rebs, Matt calhoun and Ricky Peetz 12 each, Tristan Kirk 11. CU: Justin Young 14, Taylor Hamasaki and Colin Zavrsnick 10 each.

Redlands has all but clinched the No. 1 seed in the conference tournament. Unless Redlands tanks its last two games, it doesn't look like Claremont can catch UR. Whittier and Pomona are closing in on the other two spots in the SCIAC tournament.

Wednesday's games:

Claremont (16-6, 12-2 SCIAC) @ Pomona (13-8, 8-5)
La Verne (8-14, 6-7) @ Oxy (7-16, 2-12)
Redlands (18-5, 13-1) @ Cal Lutheran (10-12, 6-7)

Whittier (12-11, 8-6) is idle.

Nonconference:

Chapman (11-12) @ Caltech (1-21)

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on February 13, 2013, 01:22:55 PM
Big Game at Caltech tonight

Caltech takes on Chapman -- this is the best chance for Caltech's seniors to get one more before moving on to bigger and better things (they do still have La Verne at home, but they did not look good against la verne the first time through).  Not only has Chapman played twice in the last 5 days, the Beavers are well rested after having Saturday off.  Caltech was down 3 with 25 seconds to play at Chapman, which bodes well for their chances at home. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on February 13, 2013, 01:55:38 PM
Quote from: WoostAr on February 13, 2013, 01:22:55 PM
Big Game at Caltech tonight

Caltech takes on Chapman -- this is the best chance for Caltech's seniors to get one more before moving on to bigger and better things (they do still have La Verne at home, but they did not look good against la verne the first time through).  Not only has Chapman played twice in the last 5 days, the Beavers are well rested after having Saturday off.  Caltech was down 3 with 25 seconds to play at Chapman, which bodes well for their chances at home.
I will be there.   :)  Will dahlby?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on February 13, 2013, 02:05:22 PM
Dahlby's neighbor is out of town and asked Dahlby to take his kid to the Adam Kennedy batting cages in Anaheim tonight.
So it looks like Dahby will be watching on the computer.

That is correct that Chapman has played 2 tough games (both losses) in the last few days, and add the Pomona loss and the Whittier loss it is 4 tough games in the last week. Yes, if I were a betting person, I would not bet on this game. Chapman is still young and makes mental mistakes. Our first half game is good, but in the last several games the Panthers have not been able to react to the half-time adjustments that the opposing coaches have made.

So, as it looks now, I will be watching and biting my nails and listening to Mrs. Dahlby telling me that it is just a game, and participation is all that matters.

GO PANTHERS>>>>>PLEASE!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on February 13, 2013, 02:14:40 PM
Has dahlby joined the Liberty League?
We will miss you. ;)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on February 13, 2013, 03:01:43 PM
Liberty? Mrs. Dahlby doesn't give that out. She thinks that score should not be kept and that everyone should be awarded with a ribbon at the pizza party after each game. Advice?

Plus K Gray Fox....good line!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on February 13, 2013, 03:56:58 PM
See you all there.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 14, 2013, 10:37:30 AM
Eyewitness report from Pasadena:

Chapman 57 Caltech 48

Gray Fox in town. We carefully considered our options. CLU-Redlands was most geographically desirable. Oxy-La Verne would have been a good choice for two Oxy alums. But, we opted for the nonconference game between Caltech and Chapman. CIT got jobbed on Jan. 23 in a loss at Chapman, and we surmised that the Beavers would exact their revenge on Chapman, which was on a 5-game losing streak. After enjoying a delicious repast at Pie 'n Burger, we enjoyed an excellent, close game. Key play: Chapman up 50-46 with 2 minutes left. The Panthers spread the court, and Colin Zavrsnick drove from the top of the key for a layup and was fouled by Andrew Hogue. Zavrsnick made the FT for a 53-46 lead, and Caltech couldn't recover. CIT: Hogue 14, Brian Joel 11. CU: Justin Young 13, Jordan Young 11, Zavrsnick 11.

In Wednesday's SCIAC games:

La Verne 66 Oxy 64

Alex Volpe's layup with a second left gave the Leopards the win. ULV: Jake Vieth 19, Volpe 18 and 11 rebounds, Ronn See 10. Oxy: Kris Montoya 20, Sam Stapleton 12 and 8 assists. Oxy HC Brian Newhall channeled Dick Vermeil (http://www.johnspeedie.com/healy/vermiel.wav) in his postgame comments about the Tigers' effort: "I could not be more proud of our effort. I love these guys."

Redlands 79 Cal Lutheran 56

UR: Josiah Brensdal 23 and 9 rebounds, Alex Rudd 15, Ricky Peetz 11. CLU: Dan Wade 17, Jayvaughn Nettles 10.

Claremont 65 Pomona 54

Pomona got off to a 16-1 lead to start the game, but the Stags came back for the win. Pomona: Kyle McAndrews 19. CMS: Jack Grodahl 17, Remy Pinson 13 and 10 rebounds, Jason Herrington 10.

A full SCIAC schedule this Saturday:

Caltech (1-22, 0-14 SCIAC) @ Whittier (12-11, 8-6)
Pomona (13-9, 8-6) @ Oxy (7-17, 2-13)
Redlands (19-5, 14-1) @ Claremont (17-6, 13-2)
Cal Lutheran (10-13, 6-8) @ La Verne (9-14, 7-7)

OxyBob

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on February 14, 2013, 12:48:27 PM
Pie 'n Burger is now the official sponsor of Oxy Bob. :D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on February 14, 2013, 01:27:23 PM
Some love for the SCIAC in the men's recap on d3hoops. http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2013/02/wrapup-men-feb13

New regional rankings:  http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2013/02/13/ncaa-regional-rankings-week-2-2/  -- do have to give credit to Redlands for playing a substantive non-conference (but in region) schedule...unfortunately they didn't win the games that would have got them into the regional rankings, but at least the SCIAC's (arguably) best team went and competed against the region.  CMS seems to have wasted their non-conference schedule the last couple years.  Why did they play schools in Maine??...that's slightly out of region no??

....Pie 'n' burger is pretty good.

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on February 14, 2013, 03:33:56 PM
Regarding ties in conference rankings:

I was told that the first criteria is head to head, then start at first place team,
then work your way down the standings until one team has an advantage over the other.
If they are still tied after going thru the standiings, then I have no idea. I sure hope it would be a playoff,
instead of a coin flip or using points scored etc.

When I finally tuned in to the CIT/ CU game last night, I did hear the band...you gotta love it.

CIT sure has lost their fair share of close games this year. I hear they have 8 new players coming iin from Florida next year, and one is 6-8. Oh well, they gave me high blood pressure in their 2 games against CU this year,
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on February 14, 2013, 03:59:13 PM
Eight from Florida? ???  Must be those guys who couldn't qualify for Miami.   
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on February 14, 2013, 04:41:00 PM
The true story is they're losing 6 seniors...and they only have 13 players.....so hopefully they get 8 players from somewhere.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on February 14, 2013, 05:31:41 PM
I am only going by what an Asst CIT Coach (from Florida) told me. I hope, if they all show up, that they can contribute
to CIT's efforts to compete at a higher level. Cit needs, as in baseball, a go to guy who can be a closer at the end of the game and put some w's in th w-l column.

I am a fan of CIT and always appreciate the the efforts they put forth.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on February 14, 2013, 06:01:39 PM
Re: conference playoffs.

If UR wins, they are sole champs.
If CMS wins final game and PP is 3rd,
UR and CMS are both 2-0 against PP,
if WC is third or the next in rankings,
UR is winner because they were 2-0 against WC and CMS was 1-1,
It is a wash with ULV, as both teams beat ULV twice,only a CU scenario favors CMS
as CMS beat CU twice, and UR was 1-1 against CU.

But, anythiing can happen to change the final order of finish.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CMSfan on February 17, 2013, 12:33:47 AM
Redlands 76, Stags 64

Box Score: http://www.goredlands.com/sports/mbkb/2012-13/boxscores/20130216_yrxo.xml (http://www.goredlands.com/sports/mbkb/2012-13/boxscores/20130216_yrxo.xml)

Tough night for the Stags. Redlands played great and CMS never really seemed to get going. The Stags hung in there until about 10 minutes left in the game, when Ricky Peetz hit back-to-back threes to put Redlands up 55-49. Redlands held the lead from that point on as CMS went cold from beyond the arc, ending up 4-17 on threes in the second half.

CMS was led by Pinson and Mivshek with 17 and 16, respectively. Redlands got double digits from four guys -- Brendel (16), Kuklok (13), Peetz (13), Kirk (12).

Redlands wins the SCIAC regular season title, dethroning the Stags who had won four consecutive. Hopefully CMS can bounce back and win the tournament again!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cmsme on February 17, 2013, 01:08:53 AM

Great game--very exciting. I thought the Stags played very well. (Bulldogs too.)
CMS has done so much better this season than i was expecting. Good luck in the tournament.













Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CMSfan on February 17, 2013, 01:36:51 AM
Quote from: cmsme on February 17, 2013, 01:08:53 AM
CMS has done so much better this season than i was expecting.

They definitely had to rely a lot on their young guys, but hopefully that means good things for the future.

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 17, 2013, 11:29:20 AM
Congratulations to Redlands. The Bulldogs end the regular season 20-5 and 15-1 in conference. UR is the No. 1 seed in the conference tournament. CMS ended its regular season 17-7 and 13-3 in SCIAC play, and will be the No. 2 seed. Congratulations to CMS head coach Ken Scalmanini for achieving his 15th consecutive winning season.

Pomona (14-9, 9-6) beat Oxy 76-62. Michael Cohen led the way with 18 points, 11 rebounds, and 4 assists. Kris Montoya scored 11 for Oxy, which ends its disappointing season 7-18; the Tigers' 7 victories are the fewest wins in a season in Brian Newhall's 25-year career.

On Tuesday night Pomona will host Whittier (13-11, 9-6), which beat up on Caltech 89-60. Chris Barnes-Williams scored a game-high 25 for the Poets. The Pomona-Whittier winner will be the No. 3 seed in the conference tournament and play at Claremont; the loser will be the No. 4 seed and play at Redlands.

In the other SCIAC game, La Verne was 13 down with 7 minutes to go, but came roaring back to beat Cal Lutheran 85-81. Jake Vieth (my choice for SCIAC Player of the Year) led all scorers with 19. The Leopards (10-14, 8-7) began the season 1-10, but have since gone 9-4. ULV finishes its season this Tuesday at Caltech (1-23, 0-15).

Also Tuesday night, Cal Lutheran (10-14) finishes its season with a meaningless nonconference game at Chapman.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hoya86 on February 17, 2013, 07:01:36 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 17, 2013, 11:29:20 AM

Also Tuesday night, Cal Lutheran (10-14) finishes its season with a meaningless nonconference game at Chapman.

OxyBob


OxyBob -- Thanks for the interesting game summary postings.  You refer to all Chapman games as non-conference games and I don't understand why.   Chapman is now a member of the SCIAC I believe.  All of the Chapman games this year have counted as conference games - indeed Redlands' only conference loss was to Chapman.  If it were a non conference loss, last night's game at CMS would not have meant less, as the title would have been settled. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: madzillagd on February 17, 2013, 07:31:23 PM
Hoya86 - It's just OB's running joke.  You are correct, they are part of the SCIAC in every way. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on February 17, 2013, 08:23:51 PM
Quote from: Hoya86 on February 17, 2013, 07:01:36 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 17, 2013, 11:29:20 AM

Also Tuesday night, Cal Lutheran (10-14) finishes its season with a meaningless nonconference game at Chapman.

OxyBob


OxyBob -- Thanks for the interesting game summary postings.  You refer to all Chapman games as non-conference games and I don't understand why.   Chapman is now a member of the SCIAC I believe.  All of the Chapman games this year have counted as conference games - indeed Redlands' only conference loss was to Chapman.  If it were a non conference loss, last night's game at CMS would not have meant less, as the title would have been settled.
Hoya86.

Welcome - Keep posting.  +k
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gosox on February 18, 2013, 07:30:27 PM
 Hahahaha....... :)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on February 19, 2013, 06:17:24 PM
Quote from: dahlby on February 14, 2013, 05:31:41 PM
I am only going by what an Asst CIT Coach (from Florida) told me. I hope, if they all show up, that they can contribute
to CIT's efforts to compete at a higher level. Cit needs, as in baseball, a go to guy who can be a closer at the end of the game and put some w's in th w-l column.

I am a fan of CIT and always appreciate the the efforts they put forth.


I would love for them to have 8 guys from Florida, but it's just not true...they would have to have gotten 8 in early action which is unheard of for Caltech (in a year they're shrinking their class size too). 

Mike Edwards has a little brother though.  Heard he applied.  And I heard he can shoot a little bit.  Pretty sure GOSOX can keep you updated on that.

Last chance for Caltech's core group tonight...home game, senior night, La Verne....here's hoping they can get one this year.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 19, 2013, 06:36:39 PM
Quote from: WoostAr on February 19, 2013, 06:17:24 PM
I would love for them to have 8 guys from Florida, but it's just not true...they would have to have gotten 8 in early action which is unheard of for Caltech (in a year they're shrinking their class size too).

In view of Caltech's public reprimand, three years of probation, and postseason ban by the NCAA in 12 sports for using ineligible student-athletes, I certainly hope they didn't Tampa with those players from Florida.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on February 20, 2013, 01:31:27 AM
In season's final game for both teams, Chapman (8-8 and 13-12) came alive in the second half and defeated Cal Lu
73-54 Tuesday night.

Game recap and box score at " www.chapmanathletics.com ".
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on February 20, 2013, 01:54:32 AM
Well Caltech didn't get it done tonight...La Verne continued to own the Beavers...they out-hustled and out played the Beavers.

Rich Reed also prepped his team very well from a scouting report.  Were in the middle of everything Caltech tried to do.


On to the SCIAC tourney...expecting another Redlands CMS showdown to decide it all.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 20, 2013, 10:05:46 AM
Quote from: WoostAr on February 20, 2013, 01:54:32 AM
Rich Reed also prepped his team very well from a scouting report.  Were in the middle of everything Caltech tried to do.

After a 1-10 start, La Verne turned it around and went 10-4 the rest of the way, including winning 5 of its last 6. The Leopards finished the conference season 9-7, tied for 4th place with Pomona.

Whittier beat Pomona 69-64. The Poets finished 3rd in the conference at 10-6 and will be the No. 3 seed in the conference tournament. Pomona is the No. 4 seed.

Friday night:

No. 4 seed Pomona @ No. 1 Redlands
No. 3 Whittier @ No. 2 Claremont

The winners play Saturday night for the SCIAC AQ at the highest remaining seed.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CMSfan on February 23, 2013, 01:32:21 AM
Stags 62, Whittier 60

Box: http://www.cmsathletics.org/sports/mbkb/2012-13/boxscores/20130222_5dlf.xml (http://www.cmsathletics.org/sports/mbkb/2012-13/boxscores/20130222_5dlf.xml)

CMS struggled for most of the night and was trailing by 10 with eight minutes to play, but Kevin Sullivan stepped up in a big way, hitting four 3's and scoring all 14 of his points down the stretch, including the Stags' last 11 points of the game. The biggest blow was the last one. Trailing by one with 10 seconds to go, Sullivan unleashed a three that bounced around the rim before finally falling  to put the Stags up by 2. Whittier rushed to get a shot off and it looked for a moment like Mebane might get a layup to tie it, but CMS freshman Shelby Lane came up with a huge block and that was that.

Redlands handled Pomona relatively easily (http://www.goredlands.com/sports/mbkb/2012-13/boxscores/20130222_lngo.xml (http://www.goredlands.com/sports/mbkb/2012-13/boxscores/20130222_lngo.xml)), meaning the Stags will have their work cut out for them at Redlands tomorrow night.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on February 23, 2013, 05:24:35 AM
Redlands has always had hoopsters, but never a team of Ballers! Get some U of R...
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 23, 2013, 01:47:24 PM
Quote from: CMSfan on February 23, 2013, 01:32:21 AM
CMS struggled for most of the night and was trailing by 10 with eight minutes to play, but Kevin Sullivan stepped up in a big way, hitting four 3's and scoring all 14 of his points down the stretch, including the Stags' last 11 points of the game.

The Poets had a 12-point lead with 12:30 to go and missed their last 4 FTs in the last 1:30. Ouch.

If Claremont can't keep the game in the 60s tonight then they aren't going to win against UR, which averages 80+ and is 11-1 in Currier.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CMSfan on February 24, 2013, 01:59:50 AM
Redlands 73, Stags 64

Box Score: http://www.cmsathletics.org/sports/mbkb/2012-13/boxscores/20130223_aqq6.xml (http://www.cmsathletics.org/sports/mbkb/2012-13/boxscores/20130223_aqq6.xml)

Just got back from Redlands. Proud of my Stags for a great season.

Congrats to Redlands for winning the SCIAC tournament. Represent SCIAC well and keep shooting the lights out, Bulldogs.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cmsme on February 24, 2013, 11:18:58 PM
Great season. It is always fun to watch the stags play.

And as a CMS fan, all I can say is, GO BULLDOGS.
May you win, and keep winning until these D3 people know the difference between the West and the Western part of the East.

You guys looked like you were enjoying yourself after the win.  Best of Luck. I will be watching and rooting for you.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on February 25, 2013, 01:26:53 PM
Bracket released:  http://static.psbin.com/q/3/vmi9nqh4k7oskk/2013-mbb-bracket.pdf

Redlands up to Whitworth...rematch from earlier this season...Whitworth won that matchup on a neutral court.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 25, 2013, 04:57:55 PM
Quote from: WoostAr on February 25, 2013, 01:26:53 PM
Redlands up to Whitworth

That is a shocking, unprecedented development. I would have never suspected that matchup.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: (509)Rat on February 25, 2013, 10:14:35 PM
Now I understand why bob didn't want Champan to join the SCIAC. By eliminating a southern cali pool B candidate, the SCIAC is basically destined to fly up to the NWC champ in the first round...

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Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 26, 2013, 10:32:00 AM
Quote from: (509)Rat on February 25, 2013, 10:14:35 PM
the SCIAC is basically destined to fly up to the NWC champ in the first round

When the conference champ can't crack the top 9 in the regional rankings, what else would the SCIAC expect? Until the SCIAC plays somebody and beats somebody, they'll always be on a plane to Portland or Seattle.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on February 26, 2013, 03:51:11 PM
Oh come on...they got to go to Wisconsin last year :)

Not only do SCIAC teams need to play (and beat) the contenders, they need to play NCAA games instead of NAIA games. 

The teams at the top of the west regional rankings play almost their entire schedules in-region...SCIAC teams do not even stay in the NCAA.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on February 26, 2013, 05:38:40 PM
SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA Intercollegiate Athletic Conference.  Note the Southern California part of the name. It consists of
9 D3 programs.............all in the same conference. The only other California D3 team is UCSC, up in the Bay Area. Most SCIAC teams play UCSC and some NW Conference teams, plus whoever comes out during the Thanksgiving and holiday breaks. To fill the schedule of non-conference games the only other alternative earlier in the season  is non-D3 teams. Check out the logistics......it is not like the MW or East coast, where busing isn't too far.  It is cost prohibitive to schedule flights all over the place. Plus the STUDENT ATHLETES would miss too much school. I hear you regarding the SOS, but it is a problem we need to deal with.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 26, 2013, 05:39:03 PM
Quote from: WoostAr on February 26, 2013, 03:51:11 PM
Oh come on...they got to go to Wisconsin Minnesota last year

Quote from: WoostAr on February 26, 2013, 03:51:11 PM
Not only do SCIAC teams need to play (and beat) the contenders, they need to play NCAA games instead of NAIA games. 

Because of geography, games against the GSAC and other local non-DIII teams are a necessity to fill the schedules. Heck, Chapman has regularly made a habit of playing La Sierra 2, 3, 4, or even 5 times a season.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on February 26, 2013, 05:46:56 PM
OxyBob,

Let's see here....Bethseda, Pacifica...ah forget it, we have rehashed this too many times. Besides, I have this place in my heart for Oxy this year because of all that your coach went thru.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on February 26, 2013, 06:50:01 PM
In 2007, Oxy got to go to Mississippi.
The goal for SCIAC teams should be to host in the first rounds.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: (509)Rat on February 26, 2013, 09:40:50 PM
Quote from: dahlby on February 26, 2013, 05:38:40 PMIt consists of
9 D3 programs.............all in the same conference. The only other California D3 team is UCSC, up in the Bay Area.

Sounds like the NWC...except Whitworth played St. Thomas, UMHB, Simpson, Hamline, Redlands, Chapman, UCSC, and Occidental this year. Only playing one NAIA opponent (montana tech). All without the benefit of being located in SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA where teams actually like to visit for tourneys in December...

Woostar is exactly right. There is no secret to building a d3 tourney/playoff resume. You have to play and beat d3 opponents. Whitworth football found that out the hard way in '07 (thanks to a loss to Azusa Pacific and Maynard). The difference between that program and what is being said here by some posters is that Whitworth made an immediate about-face and started scheduling intelligently. You gotta play by the rules if you want to get in and then host a tourney/playoff game. Us left-coasters will never have as many games against "regionally ranked opponents" as everyone else, but that's life and it has been shown that you can still schedule to appease the selection committee gods.

Long story short, I don't feel bad for any of the SCIAC programs. Sorry.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on February 28, 2013, 04:00:01 PM
I understand the travel expense issue - but there's a bigger problem with SCIAC scheudling.  CMS (for example) scheduled UCSC as it's only non-league, d3 regional opponent this year -- they filled the rest of their non-conference schedule with GSAC schools and a trip to Maine (believe it or not, that's out of region).  That's a waste of the non-conference schedule and travel.

If a team is going to spend the money to travel, travel to the right spots (the NorthWest, Minnesota, or Wisconsin).  Teams can play two regional opponents in one weekend. I acknowledge their trips could have been fully funded or some such thing, but have to be aware of the effect on regional rankings.

All of this while MIT was out here for one game earlier this year which easily could have been two (they're out of region but they're d3 and were in the top 25 at the time -- would have been a nice boost to strength of schedule)...pretty sure they would have played another SCIAC team.

The SCIAC scheduling will never be as good or as easy as some of the conferences in the midwest, but it could definitely be better without spending a whole lot more money.




Also...while CMS did play a school from Minnesota last year (St. Thomas) in the playoffs, they definitely played in Wisconsin (Whitewater).  http://cmsathletics.org/sports/mbkb/2011-12/releases/20120227yuqg1y

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 28, 2013, 04:08:25 PM
Quote from: WoostAr on February 28, 2013, 04:00:01 PM
I understand the travel expense issue - but there's a bigger problem with SCIAC scheudling.  CMS (for example) scheduled UCSC as it's only non-league, d3 regional opponent this year -- they filled the rest of their non-conference schedule with GSAC schools and a trip to Maine (believe it or not, that's out of region).  That's a waste of the non-conference schedule and travel.

If a team is going to spend the money to travel, travel to the right spots (the NorthWest, Minnesota, or Wisconsin).  Teams can play two regional opponents in one weekend.

Or Texas, or Illinois.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hoya86 on February 28, 2013, 09:17:28 PM
CMS went to Boston not Maine.  Went to Texas next year.  Planning NW next year.  Only played 2 GSAC games this year; play level was comparable.

Question.  Wondering why CMS had 24 regular season games.  Did adding 9th conference team and the late season bye nights cause any other gaps in teams schedules....they need to figure that out.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hoya86 on February 28, 2013, 10:32:37 PM
My bad...it was 3 from GSAC for CMS..forgot Masters game at Pomona.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on March 01, 2013, 12:49:26 PM
Quote from: Hoya86 on February 28, 2013, 09:17:28 PM
Only played 2 GSAC games this year

Quote from: Hoya86 on February 28, 2013, 10:32:37 PM
My bad...it was 3 from GSAC for CMS

Plus Point Loma, which left the GSAC along with Azusa Pacific and Fresno Pacific in 2011 for the NCAA D-II PacWest Conference.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on March 01, 2013, 02:16:37 PM
Quote from: Hoya86 on February 28, 2013, 09:17:28 PM
Question.  Wondering why CMS had 24 regular season games.  Did adding 9th conference team and the late season bye nights cause any other gaps in teams schedules....they need to figure that out.

They sure do.  I was wondering that same thing at the beginning of the season...haven't checked all SCIAC teams, but Caltech, La Verne and Oxy got in their 25.



For comparison sake, La Verne had a pretty good schedule ...Aside from the Afghanistan National Team, they played all NCAA teams (granted, some were not d3) with a decent portion of those games being regional: Puget Sound, Willamette, UW Platteville, Pacific and UCSC...and they threw in a game against a nationally ranked MIT for kicks.  Unfortunately, they only won one of those games, but at least the played games that count.

so I guess I'm agreeing with Rat's point.....it is possible to schedule effectively even though the SCIAC has travel concerns.



In other news, all conference selections are out:  http://www.thesciac.org/sports/mbkb/2012-13/releases/20130301jw2ime
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on March 01, 2013, 03:12:28 PM
Quote from: WoostAr on March 01, 2013, 02:16:37 PM
In other news, all conference selections are out

QuoteThe SCIAC is proud to the Men's Basketball All-Conference Awards:

Athlete of the Year – Josiah Brensdale, Sr., University of Redlands

Josiah Brensdal.

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Quote
First Team:

Cody Mivshek, Sr., Claremont-Mudd-Scripps
Jake Vieth, Sr.,  University of La Verne
Jake Klewer, Jr., Pomona-Pitzer College
Tristan Kirk, Sr., University of Redlands
Alex Rudd, Jr., University Redlands
Tyree Landrum, Jr., Whittier College

Second Team:

Corey Quintana, Fr., California Lutheran University
Michael Edwards, Sr., Caltech
Jack Grodahl, So., Claremont-Mudd-Scripps
Alex Wolpe, Sr., University of La Verne
Kyle McAndrews, So., Pomona-Pitzer Colleges
Willie Mebane, Sr., Whittier College

They got those names right.

Congratulations to all chosen.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on March 02, 2013, 11:47:04 PM
Very, very credible showing by Redland's Bulldogs as they fall to Whitworth 75-69 in first round action in Spokane tonight.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: (509)Rat on March 02, 2013, 11:58:12 PM
30 minutes of light out shooting by the Bulldogs gave them a 10 point lead in the 2nd half. Whitworth guards stepped up late and Redlands went cold. That was the difference. Congrats to Redlands though, best showing in Spokane by a SCIAC team since Whitworth has been a d3 playoff regular. A couple more 3's go down and Redlands fans have something to rub in my face!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on March 03, 2013, 08:21:44 AM
Quote from: dahlby on March 02, 2013, 11:47:04 PM
Very, very credible showing by Redland's Bulldogs 

Quote from: (509)Rat on March 02, 2013, 11:58:12 PM
best showing in Spokane by a SCIAC team since Whitworth has been a d3 playoff regular

Nice spin. Another loss by the SCIAC in the first round. The SCIAC hasn't won a first round game against anyone but itself since 2004.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cmsme on March 03, 2013, 09:37:57 AM
Too true Oxy Bob.   But Redlands almost beat Whitworth--and in a very difficult gym. So even if no one else gives the SCIAC any attention, I am proud that our unranked SCIAC team almost took down the #6 ranked team.  :) to the Bulldogs.

Best wishes to the Pirates.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D O.C. on March 03, 2013, 01:23:54 PM
Spin! Ha!
LINFIELD almost won five games this past season.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on March 04, 2013, 01:42:03 PM
Quote from: cmsme on March 03, 2013, 09:37:57 AM
But Redlands almost beat Whitworth

Big deal. Did they win?

Note to SCIAC: Play somebody and beat somebody.

Further note to SCIAC: You still have POY Josiah Brensdal's name spelled wrong in the men's all-conference awards. And you still have POY Makenzie Brandon listed as a junior rather than a senior in the women's all-conference awards.

Really, though, what can you expect from a conference which is located in the Sunset Blvd Mailboxes Postal Center:

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      Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
7119 W. Sunset Boulevard #258, Los Angeles, California 90046
             Phone 626-993-6807 • Fax 323-544-2233

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on March 04, 2013, 03:04:22 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on March 04, 2013, 01:42:03 PM
Quote from: cmsme on March 03, 2013, 09:37:57 AM
But Redlands almost beat Whitworth

Big deal. Did they win?

Note to SCIAC: Play somebody and beat somebody.

Further note to SCIAC: You still have POY Josiah Brensdal's name spelled wrong in the men's all-conference awards. And you still have POY Makenzie Brandon listed as a junior rather than a senior in the women's all-conference awards.

Really, though, what can you expect from a conference which is located in the Sunset Blvd Mailboxes Postal Center:

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      Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
7119 W. Sunset Boulevard #258, Los Angeles, California 90046
             Phone 626-993-6807 • Fax 323-544-2233

OxyBob

And that folks is what we call a "shot across the bow". I agree completely with you OB. While I'm happy Redlands is finally building a basketball program under Coach Ducey, it's time for the SCIAC to step up and win some games in the post-season, in basketball and football.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on March 04, 2013, 04:25:13 PM
Only OxyBob would have outed the SCIAC headquarters.

Edd (Kooky) Burns handles the car while they check the mail.

That address isn't near any of the schools.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wildcat11 on March 04, 2013, 05:18:22 PM
Quote from: RFB on March 04, 2013, 03:04:22 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on March 04, 2013, 01:42:03 PM
Quote from: cmsme on March 03, 2013, 09:37:57 AM
But Redlands almost beat Whitworth

Big deal. Did they win?

Note to SCIAC: Play somebody and beat somebody.

Further note to SCIAC: You still have POY Josiah Brensdal's name spelled wrong in the men's all-conference awards. And you still have POY Makenzie Brandon listed as a junior rather than a senior in the women's all-conference awards.

Really, though, what can you expect from a conference which is located in the Sunset Blvd Mailboxes Postal Center:

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      Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
7119 W. Sunset Boulevard #258, Los Angeles, California 90046
             Phone 626-993-6807 • Fax 323-544-2233

OxyBob

And that folks is what we call a "shot across the bow". I agree completely with you OB. While I'm happy Redlands is finally building a basketball program under Coach Ducey, it's time for the SCIAC to step up and win some games in the post-season, in basketball and football.

Bob has a long history of fantastic finds but this is an all-timer.  That is a spanking.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on March 04, 2013, 05:53:58 PM
Some other great businesses here including Joker Film Productions and Quantum Hoops.

https://www.google.com/search?q=7119+W.+Sunset+Boulevard+,+Los+Angeles,+California+90046&hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=LD0&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=USQ1UZLNPOPSyAGTwYHYAw&sqi=2&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAQ&biw=1280&bih=605


Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on March 05, 2013, 11:45:55 AM
In other news, insidious Caltech is causing problems again...

Caltech's building plans stir neighborhood resistance
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-caltech-build-20130305,0,4563.story

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OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on March 05, 2013, 06:52:46 PM
"It's not quiet and peaceful like it should be for a $5-million home" -- I feel for her.



Back to basketball...I'm in complete agreement with OxyBob here: close doesn't count...Caltech ALMOST beat CMS, but that doesn't mean they're the third best team in the SCIAC.  Just playing a close game against the #6 team in the nation doesn't really mean all that much because it's still a loss.  That said, I am very hopeful that the SCIAC does get over that hump.

Caltech admittance March 9...here's hoping some of those Florida guys get in!!! :)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on March 05, 2013, 09:19:45 PM
Yes, we all want the SCIAC representative(s) to win tourney games, of course. I think that Redland's showing against Whitworth was credible, although short of victory. It sure is much better than what has happened in the past few years
of playoff games, including the teams I support.

This year it seemed that there were more competitive conference games than in some prior years.  And, who really wanted
to play CIT this year. I know I was very uncomfortable before those 2 games this year. When I spoke with one of the CIT coaches before one of our games, we discussed the fact that I was uncomfortable. That game could have gone either way. I assure you that I would rather watch a close game than a blowout. Close games force the players to reach higher levels.

Maybe the SCIAC was down this year talent wise, each team having their own situations to deal with, but it did lead to
closer games.

Hopefully the teams will all make some good recruiting decisions and make other adjustments before we go at it again next year.

In the meantime I will enjoy the games I can watch and hope for the best in the playoffs.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on March 06, 2013, 01:07:17 PM
Quote from: dahlby on March 05, 2013, 09:19:45 PM
When I spoke with one of the CIT coaches before one of our games, we discussed the fact that I was uncomfortable.

Schedule more games against La Sierra to alleviate that uncomfortable feeling.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on March 06, 2013, 05:13:46 PM
Bob,
Slow day on the boards for you Bob?
I like that feeling because it probably means that the games will be close, which is good.
Expected a better response from you, if any at all.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hoya86 on March 10, 2013, 09:31:06 PM
Great audio coverage from Whitworth for Emory game but I struggled mightily with video.  Tried all kinds of things.  Did anyone else solve this?  Would like to see next game v. MHB.  Both Williams/CUA and Cortland/Middlebury games had issues transmitting this weekend.  Like the way NESCAC teams are playing.  Attacking but efficient on offense. ODAC hanging tough but I think VWU and RMC will fall this week.  I am going to say Whitworth, St Thomas, Williams, St Marys, Amherst, Wooster, North Central, Middlebury will make the trek to Salem.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on March 13, 2013, 11:27:51 AM
D3hoops.com 2013 men's All-West Region team announced.  ULV's Jake Vieth and UR's Josiah Brensdal(e) were named to the third team. Congratulations!

http://www.d3hoops.com/awards/all-region/2012-13/west-men

OxyBob

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 01, 2013, 09:01:47 PM
Famous Occidental former student goes 2 for 22 at photo-op.  Gets help from 10-year -old.

Here. (http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/obama-2-22-easter-egg-roll_712276.html)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on April 01, 2013, 09:34:18 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on April 01, 2013, 09:01:47 PM
Famous Occidental former student goes 2 for 22 at photo-op.  Gets help from 10-year -old.

Here. (http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/obama-2-22-easter-egg-roll_712276.html)
Anything can happen on April 1.  Must have been one of those baskets from a carnival midway. ::)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: madzillagd on April 08, 2013, 07:03:06 PM
Close but no cigar yesterday for my Cal Lu classmate, Derrick Clark and Metro State.  Would have been fun to see him win the title at the same school that Dunlap did.  Using those Australian connections just like Dunlap to bring in talent.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on April 09, 2013, 10:44:32 AM
Quote from: madzillagd on April 08, 2013, 07:03:06 PM
Close but no cigar yesterday for my Cal Lu classmate, Derrick Clark and Metro State. 

From the The Denver Post:

QuoteMetro State failed to score on each of its seven possessions in the final 3:50 and Drury rallied for a 74-73 victory Sunday in front of 7,763 at Philips Arena.

QuoteMetro State (32-3) missed the front of two one-and-one free-throw situations in the final 25 seconds. After Hall's free throws, the Roadrunners had an opportunity to win with the final possession but 6-foot-3 sophomore Mitch McCarron couldn't get his shot to the rim while being closely guarded with four seconds left.

Two missed 3-pointers, 2 turnovers, and 2 missed one-and-ones to close the game in the last 4 minutes. Ouch.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: madzillagd on April 09, 2013, 12:06:48 PM
I blame Oxy for the loss.  My buddy, a '95 Oxy grad, was there with his father-in-law Gary Smith for the games.  They had to leave with 4 minutes to go so Gary could be at some award presentation and Metro didn't score another point in the game after they left.  Clearly this was an Oxy ploy to stick it to a CLU alum. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on April 23, 2013, 11:59:00 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on September 12, 2012, 05:44:38 PM
Dunlap is now a head coach in the NBA, as is Gregg Popovich from Pomona.
These are unusual jumps.
Mike Dunlap has been fired by the Bobcats.  Nice try.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/9203383/charlotte-bobcats-fire-coach-mike-dunlap-one-season
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gosox on April 24, 2013, 09:50:35 AM
Basketball D2 and D3 Senior Showcase at Caltech this Saturday, 5 pm.  Below are the links to information about the event and the rosters of each side.  In case anyone interested in attending the event.

http://www.thesciac.org/sports/mbkb/2012-13/releases/senior_showcase


socalseniorshowcase.blogspot.com
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on June 21, 2013, 04:14:10 PM
La Verne will be taking part in the 2nd Annual Hoopsville National Invitational Classic: http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2013/06/hoopsville-classic-features-three-elite-eight-teams (http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2013/06/hoopsville-classic-features-three-elite-eight-teams)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Roop on July 20, 2013, 03:26:24 PM
Just a shout out to Oxybob................ Americas Team, The Beloit College Buccaneers, will be appearing @LaVerne on 12/29 and Redlands on 12/30. Having been through Redlands when stationed in 29 Palms I'll forgive you if you miss that one. No comment on LaVerne however; not enough info, etc.

And Dave McHugh. I'm not in retail any more, so I have weekends off and can terrorize the Hoopsville Nation this season. LOL. :)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on August 23, 2013, 06:43:17 PM
Chapman
http://www.chapmanathletics.com/sports/mbkb/2013-14/schedule

CMS
http://www.cmsathletics.org/sports/mbkb/2013-14/schedule

Oxy
http://oxyathletics.com/sports/mbkb/2013-14/schedule

Pomona
http://www.pe.pomona.edu/sports/mbkb/2013-14/schedule

and

Redlands
http://goredlands.com/sports/mbkb/2013-14/schedule

have posted this year's schedules.
It seems much sooner than in the past.

Now for the OxyBob editorial comments and the season will be considered to have started.. ;)



Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: madzillagd on September 10, 2013, 03:54:26 PM
If anybody in the area is interested, Mike Dunlap is giving a chalk talk at Cal Lu on Thursday night.  It's free and open to the public but you need to RSVP to make sure you get a seat.

https://www.callutheran.edu/calendar/event/3071
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on September 24, 2013, 02:41:02 PM
Good to see CMS is playing a full 25 game slate this season :)  ....it also looks like they have a more useful non-conference schedule.

Hopefully the SCIAC can win some of these regional games.

Can't wait for basketball season! 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on October 03, 2013, 07:42:29 PM
Add Caltech's schedule to the mix

http://gocaltech.com/sports/mbkb/2013-14/schedule
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on October 15, 2013, 05:03:31 PM
October 15 - Season Start!!!

Any previews on SCIAC teams?

Should be a fun year - PP brings back a strong guard core, Redlands should be reloading, Whittier is dangerous as usual.

Lets see what CLU brings this year. Oxy has been in a rut the past 2 years, but never count them out. Chapman is always well coached and play tough and have a year of SCIAC play under their belt. ULV always has the talent and is due for a run. CIT is getting better every year even taking CMS to OT last year.

Oh and CMS - let's see how they come out this year. Losing All-SCIAC Mivshek, Big-time gamer Sullivan, and heart and soul Cain will leave some voids to fill, but they return some strong players.

Would love to get this forum bustling again!!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on October 15, 2013, 05:16:44 PM
stagg 44 ,
Met some PP BB players at the football game on Saturday at PP.....they are really tall.
Maybe the SCIAC should install a height limit to even things out? :-)
PP should be very well balanced this year. As I understand it, Chapman is
rebuilding this year....but who knows.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on October 18, 2013, 01:40:47 AM
Quote from: Gray Fox on August 23, 2013, 06:43:17 PM
Now for the OxyBob editorial comments and the season will be considered to have started.

I have several games on my calendar to attend: CIT on 12/4, a nonconference game against Pacific on 12/17, @ CLU on 1/4, Pomona on 1/15, CLU on 1/29, UR on 2/5, a nonconference game against Chapman on 2/12, the SCIAC tournament, and the first round playoff trip to Whitworth.

Quote from: The Roop on July 20, 2013, 03:26:24 PM
Americas Team, The Beloit College Buccaneers, will be appearing @LaVerne on 12/29 and Redlands on 12/30.

Are the players being punished for something they did?

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CMSfan on October 18, 2013, 02:42:44 AM
Quote from: stag44 on October 15, 2013, 05:03:31 PM
Oh and CMS - let's see how they come out this year. Losing All-SCIAC Mivshek, Big-time gamer Sullivan, and heart and soul Cain will leave some voids to fill, but they return some strong players.

Any word on whether Tyler Gaffaney has recovered? If the Stags have him back alongside fellow senior Remy Pinson, they will be very strong in the backcourt. Add in Shelby Lane with a year under his belt, long range threats in Grodahl and Harrington, some size down low with Rama and Lund, and Earley's non-stop hustle and great defense and the Stags look like a nicely balanced team.

Looking forward to the season!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on October 18, 2013, 01:31:34 PM
If Caltech is better this year it will have to be with strong production from their freshman class...only three returners playing with KC Emezie, Andrew Hogue and Bryan Joel (Rob Anderson returning too, but he sat out most of last year with a knee problem). 

The freshman class has some big boys with some serious accolades (academic and athletic)...of course, haven't seen them play (and they're still freshman).

Some trivia: Mike Edwards' brother MATT Edwards is on the team this year, so we can all rest soundly knowing we will be hearing more from GOSOX.  Nick Buoniconti is another freshman name...you may remember his grandpa from the Miami Dolphins and Boston Patriots.  Caltech has also gone international again with players from Qatar and Hong Kong.


Just for OxyBob: Collin Murphy has returned as an assistant coach.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hoya86 on October 19, 2013, 03:27:32 PM
  Any word on whether Tyler Gaffaney has recovered? If the Stags have him back alongside fellow senior Remy Pinson, they will be very strong in the backcourt.
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Word is Gaffaney is back and better than ever.  Strong POY candidate. 

CMS also added new talented frosh PG to spell Pinson.

What is the outlook for Redlands?

Calvin's visit to Redlands and CMS in late December will be a good test on where these two teams stand at that point.  Calvin ended 7th in top 25 last year at 26-4.   
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on October 21, 2013, 10:24:32 AM
Quote from: WoostAr on October 18, 2013, 01:31:34 PM
Just for OxyBob: Collin Murphy has returned as an assistant coach.

I understand that in addition to his coaching duties Murphy is writing a thesis on the biochemical aspects of pushing, shoving, and generally being a huge pest on a basketball court.

The bigger question for you to answer: What of Todd Cramer?

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on October 22, 2013, 03:36:26 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on October 21, 2013, 10:24:32 AM
Quote from: WoostAr on October 18, 2013, 01:31:34 PM
Just for OxyBob: Collin Murphy has returned as an assistant coach.

I understand that in addition to his coaching duties Murphy is writing a thesis on the biochemical aspects of pushing, shoving, and generally being a huge pest on a basketball court.


I would read that

Quote from: OxyBob on October 21, 2013, 10:24:32 AM


The bigger question for you to answer: What of Todd Cramer?


Great question.  Looks to be on MIT's roster for this year http://mitathletics.com/sports/m-baskbl/2013-14/roster  Unclear as to whether he has recovered from the back issues which limited him to almost zero playing time last year.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: madzillagd on October 23, 2013, 06:47:43 PM
CLU's roster has now been posted ===> http://www.clusports.com/mens_basketball/roster/

5 Frosh coming in with 4 transfers.  One interesting transfer is Arik Smith from UW-River Falls.  Led them last year in scoring at 14.3 ppg and assists 2.2 apg, and pulled in 3.4 rbg.

The most notable thing on the roster is Dan Wade is not on it.  Second leading scorer on the team leaving is not a great start to the year but doesn't surprise me.  Other guys that are not around are Tyler Nunn, Corey Lewis and Andrew Atakpo - but none of these had the impact that Wade did in his short time.  Anybody have any ideas about where Wade went and/or if he is just not playing?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hoya86 on October 24, 2013, 08:20:28 PM
CMS roster posted.  http://cmsathletics.com/sports/mbkb/2013-14/roster

I guess Chris Rama is studying abroad.  Will miss his presence inside.
Title: Chapman Basketball
Post by: Hoops_lover on October 31, 2013, 12:49:00 PM
Recently defeated St. Katherine's College (NAIA school in San Diego) by double digits.  Nick Dragovich, Zavrsnick, Hamasaki all scored in double figures.  Face UC Irvine this Saturday at the Bren Center.  It's truly "David vs Goliath" as UCI will have three 7 footers and Chapman tallest starter is 6'6.  Hopefully a playoff berth this season after just missing in their first year in SCIAC play.
Title: Re: Chapman Basketball
Post by: madzillagd on October 31, 2013, 12:53:24 PM
I suggest using the SCIAC thread, probably get more conversation going there. 
Title: Re: Chapman Basketball
Post by: Hoops_lover on October 31, 2013, 12:59:12 PM
I'm a rookie and I think I hit the wrong icon or something.  BTW,I like your posts which inspired me to be a contributor.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hoops_lover on October 31, 2013, 01:18:02 PM
CHAPMAN BASKETBALL
Recently defeated St. Katherine's College (NAIA school in San Diego) by double digits.  Nick Dragovich, Zavrsnick, Hamasaki all scored in double figures.  Face UC Irvine this Saturday at the Bren Center.  It's truly "David vs Goliath" as UCI will have three 7 footers and Chapman tallest starter is 6'6.  Hopefully a playoff berth this season after just missing in their first year in SCIAC play.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on October 31, 2013, 04:44:20 PM
Quote from: Hoops_lover on October 31, 2013, 01:18:02 PM
CHAPMAN BASKETBALL
Recently defeated St. Katherine's College (NAIA school in San Diego) by double digits.  Nick Dragovich, Zavrsnick, Hamasaki all scored in double figures.  Face UC Irvine this Saturday at the Bren Center.  It's truly "David vs Goliath" as UCI will have three 7 footers and Chapman tallest starter is 6'6.  Hopefully a playoff berth this season after just missing in their first year in SCIAC play.
Welcome.  Glad to have a lover to calm down this crowd. :-X
Title: Re: Chapman Basketball
Post by: OxyBob on November 01, 2013, 12:35:48 PM
Quote from: Hoops_lover on October 31, 2013, 12:59:12 PM
I'm a rookie

I like your posts which inspired me to be a contributor.

Welcome! We look forward to your contributions about Chapman, even if CU is not in the SCIAC.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: madzillagd on November 01, 2013, 02:29:57 PM
The Cal Lu season preview is up   http://www.clusports.com/news/10064

"The Kingsmen will also look for a big contribution from transfer guard Arik Smith. The junior by way of University of Wisconsin-River Falls played in 19 games last season for the Falcons, sinking six three pointers and averaging 1.9 points per game."

While I'm all for a good sandbagging, Smith played in 25 games last year, knocked down 46 threes, and averaged 14.3 ppg.  I believe the stats they cited were from 2 years ago.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hoya86 on November 03, 2013, 07:55:38 AM
Speaking of newcomers, Chapman's John Joyce looks intriguing.  6-8 250. 16 pts last night at UCI.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hoops_lover on November 03, 2013, 03:01:59 PM
Yes, Joyce played very well.  He battled all game vs. UCI's extremely tall front line.  Much improved ball game for Joyce because he did not do well in the St. Katherine's scrimmage. Tyler Fidelibus also played well giving Panthers more solid post play.  Justin Young sat out the game with an injured ankle and he's a starter.  Zavrsnick shot well and Jordan Young played better. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hemingway13 on November 04, 2013, 02:44:23 AM

"........Redlands should be reloading"

Without POY Brensdal and the leadership of Tristan Kirk, I reckon it's improbable that UR will have sufficient depth for another redoubtable effort this season.


Possible rebounding assistance has arrived with 6-8 soph transfer from Hawaii Pacific, Kyle Milligan, who's joined by (apparently) his brother Sean, a 6-2 frosh guard.



Jim Ducey now has 3 young Ducey's among the 5 Asst. Coaches. Brensdal and Kent Irvin, captain of the Bulldogs' 2011 SCIAC champs, are his other assistants.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hemingway13 on November 04, 2013, 04:37:51 AM
Another transfer adding possible bench strength for UR is 6-5 soph Aljosa Bjekovic. He hails from Maribor, Slovenia and collected 11 rebounds against Cal State Fullerton on the weekend.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on November 05, 2013, 12:33:40 PM
Caltech had it's first shot at a scrimmage last night...here's a game report and box score http://www.vanguardlions.com/article/4754.php

Did not go, but it looks like Vanguard pressed them...as 7 of the 10 players who got meaningful minutes were freshman, not too surprising that a lot of turnovers were committed. 

Lawrence Lee and KC Emezie were bright spots in the box score...they are players to watch this year.


In other news, La Verne went to Utah: http://www.leopardathletics.com/sports/mbkb/2013-14/releases/20131104mnjrpj

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on November 08, 2013, 12:48:38 AM
Nov. 2: Cal State Bakersfield 104, Oxy 63

Oxy played an exhibition game against D-I Cal State Bakersfield. The Tigers hung in there for awhile and only trailed 18-17 at 9:20, but the Roadrunners went on a 15-3 run to lead 33-20, and that was that. CSUB scored 72 points inside and was just too big and too fast for Oxy.

For Oxy, Spencer Levy, a junior transfer from Moorpark College, scored 21, Juwan Rice had 12, Kory Hamane, a sophmore transfer from Puget Sound, scored 11, and Kris Montoya had 10.

Oxy next takes on D3hoops preseason No. 15 St. Thomas at home on Nov. 16. Sorry I am going to miss that one. UST is always outstanding.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on November 12, 2013, 03:52:58 PM
Caltech with a new website and roster upload in the same day... http://gocaltech.com/sports/mbkb/2013-14/roster

11 freshmen, 2 sophomores, 2 juniors, zero seniors (again).

This is the most talented and athletic team Caltech has had in ten years (if not ever)...they are very young and have been heavy on the turnovers in their scrimmages, but they have some serious size: 6'10" 220, 6"6 215, 6'5" 210, 6'7" 240, 6'5" 205....9 players over 6'4", none of which is awkward and all of which will likely see playing time.  There has already been a lineup on the floor in a scrimmage where Andrew Hogue at 6'4" was the shortest player on the floor.  Now to see if/when this team gels...I'm looking for them to start the season slowly/awkwardly and improve as the year goes on.  That said, they have demonstrated the ability (and desire) to rebound with anybody which can keep them in a game even if their shots don't fall.

This is all the more interesting because Willamette (Caltech's first opponent) has no one taller than 6'6" on their roster....one guy at 6'5" 215.  On the face of it, Caltech should have a size advantage Friday which is the first time I can remember that being the case.

Exciting time for Caltech basketball...can't wait for the season to start already!!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hemingway13 on November 12, 2013, 05:08:20 PM
WoostAr,
Thanks for your very helpful report, and it will be interesting to see how they do in the SCIAC this year. I went to both Redlands and CIT.   8-)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on November 12, 2013, 06:11:11 PM
Season preview just posted...this provides info on all of the new players

http://gocaltech.com/sports/mbkb/2013-14/releases/20132014MBBOutlook
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hemingway13 on November 13, 2013, 08:16:00 PM
As WoostAr has posted the CIT preview, I'll return the favor with today's Redlands preview.


Seems to me UR has plenty of Guards, but lacks depth with other positions.


http://www.goredlands.com/sports/mbkb/2013-14/releases/20131113nwzo0e
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on November 15, 2013, 11:44:55 PM
Caltech wins 58-55!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hemingway13 on November 16, 2013, 12:49:40 AM
Congratulations to the Beavers. Last season Willamette had three very narrow losses to La Verne, Redlands and Chapman, so this is a good start to the season for CIT. :)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hemingway13 on November 16, 2013, 12:58:00 AM
Finally able to get Redlands stats from our loss to George Fox, and UR's field-goal percentage was rather disquieting. Last season GF defeated Cal-Lutheran and Whittier.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on November 16, 2013, 03:04:16 AM
Eyewitness account from tonight at Caltech:

The most exciting part about the game tonight is that Caltech went down by 9 and then 12 and came roaring back each time.  As expected, they rebounded very well...they had a 50-33 rebound advantage.  Also, as expected, they turned the ball over with 22 turnovers.  The team strung together some very good stretches, but their offense hasn't seem to come together completely yet.  Fortunately, that didn't affect their defensive effort.

Luke Lango was a particularly bright spot tonight scoring on pull up jumpers and beating whatever double teams were thrown at him.  It looks as though he may be the primary ball handler for the Beavers this year.  This pushed Bryan Joel to an off-ball roll which particularly suits him with all the activity inside -- he went off ball in the second half and that is when he started hitting his 3-balls.

Lawrence Lee was quiet in the first half playing in the middle of a zone, but he was the impetus for the Beavers second half run. He ended the night with 9 points and 11 rebounds.

Andrew Hogue scored zero points tonight, but had 13 rebounds with a solid defensive effort. He was on the floor fighting for rebounds all night and is proving to be a great leader for this young Beaver's squad.

KC Emezie was very efficient on the evening to lead Caltech with 18 points.

Caltech was very aggressive all evening...if they can continue their energy level and defensive effort they will be a tough matchup for anyone they play this year.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on November 16, 2013, 03:13:34 AM
In other news congrats to Pomona pitzer for taking down a perennial power house in St Thomas!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hemingway13 on November 16, 2013, 06:51:43 AM
WoostAr,


Thanks for a most informative report, and perhaps the CIT and P-P wins will generate

for the SCIAC a higher level of respect from D3 pundits than our football teams have been given.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on November 16, 2013, 11:08:07 AM
CMS with a great win over San Diego Christian. The Stags jumped out of the gate and were up 40-21 at halftime. Gaffaney and Pinson were strong as the best buddies were reunited after a year off.  as they combined for 36/13/7asst and showed some great senior leadership.

GREAT to see the SCIAC show up vs the NWC and other national powers. Outside of the George Fox / Redlands result which was very surprising, the SCIAC represented well last night.

Congrats to Caltech for a great win over Willamette and starting the year on the right step. This is the year they get their SCIAC win!!!

Another great slate of games tonight:

Caltech vs Pacific
Whitter vs George Fox
La Verne vs Willamette

Here's to seeing a 3-0 night and 5-1 weekend vs the NWC!

Oxy vs St Thomas
Redlands vs New Paltz St
Chapman vs La Sierra

I'll try to be at the Oxy or Caltech game - not sure tonight given the great win from CIT last night!



Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gosox on November 16, 2013, 01:36:06 PM
Attended the CIT game last night and was pleasantly surprised with the outcome and the style of play.  There were bright spots and things to improve on, as with any team opeing a season.  But when you have watched for over 4 years, it was a great joy to see a win to start the season.  Congrats on a well fought game.  Looking forward to some more positive surprises as the year progresses.

On another note.  Mike Edwards goes to camp with the PeeDee Vipers of the Premier Basketball League in South Carolina.  Looking forward as he starts his professional basketball career.  Congrats to him and Go Beavers!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hemingway13 on November 16, 2013, 05:48:59 PM
Yes, good luck to Mike Edwards who engendered great respect in the SCIAC by setting a sterling example of sportsmanship for all younger players in the conference.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: (509)Rat on November 16, 2013, 08:34:18 PM
Quote from: Hemingway13 on November 16, 2013, 06:51:43 AM
for the SCIAC a higher level of respect from D3 pundits than our football teams have been given.

The PP win was the most impressive (assuming St Thomas doesn't implode in the MIAC this year)...but like football you guys are gonna have to get over the NWC hump before you start getting a lot of respect.

Unfortunately, the NWC has a dominant basketball program as well. Tall task to come up to Spokane in the playoffs and knock Whitworth off at home.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hemingway13 on November 16, 2013, 09:16:34 PM
(509),


You're spot on about the NWC domination of West Coast D3 footy, as many preseason games have made abundantly clear. In 2014, Redlands is taking a break from NWC and opening at Mary Harden Baylor, but extremely difficult to see things going more positively than this years preseason.


Cheers!
Hem
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on November 16, 2013, 10:44:24 PM
Caltech looked very young tonight in a lopsided loss. The effort was there but they couldn't get through the high double screen for the entire first half. Also struggled against a zone.

On to Santa Cruz tourney next.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hemingway13 on November 17, 2013, 12:14:37 AM
Redlands' loss tonight to New Paltz by 82 - 60 showed how tough it's going to be this season without a good shooting guard. Plenty of hard work and hustle in evidence, however.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 17, 2013, 07:56:02 PM
Quote from: Hemingway13 on November 16, 2013, 09:16:34 PM
(509),


You're spot on about the NWC domination of West Coast D3 footy, as many preseason games have made abundantly clear. In 2014, Redlands is taking a break from NWC and opening at Mary Harden Baylor, but extremely difficult to see things going more positively than this years preseason.


Cheers!
Hem

Hem,

You mean "non-conference", not "preseason".

Cheers!
GS ;) :D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hemingway13 on November 17, 2013, 08:02:51 PM
Gregory,
Any coaching from a D3.com Hall of Fame All-American is greatly appreciated! :D


Cheers!
Hem
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 17, 2013, 08:05:32 PM
Wow, respect! Usually, a reference from somebody to my HOF status results in me tugging my tie and quoting Rodney Dangerfield. ;)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hemingway13 on November 17, 2013, 08:14:37 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 17, 2013, 08:05:32 PM
Wow, respect! Usually, a reference from somebody to my HOF status results in me tugging my tie and quoting Rodney Dangerfield. ;)


Hey, in my book, writing over 15,000 posts rates heaps of respect from a guy who just became a "Starter" today.  8-) 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hoops_lover on November 18, 2013, 12:20:55 AM
Chapman with a 21 point win over La Sierra last night.  Panther defense made it tough on La Sierra to get wide open looks.  Got it up to 16 in the first half.  La Sierra whittled the lead down to single digits in the second half.  Last season Chapman choked away the lead, but this season the guys stepped up and expanded the lead to finish out the game.  The enforcement of allowing a "free flow" of the game by the officials could help a team like Chapman because the La Sierra guards were whistled for fouls.
John Joyce is a BIG IMPROVEMENT over last year's starting bigs.  Last season, one of the post players held the ball too long then took a BAD SHOT, the other post player was a perimeter player who was moved inside.  Justin Young and Nick Dragovich also played well inside. Colin Zavrsnick, Jordan Young, Brendon Rider and Garrett James are a nice set of guards.  The X factor is Taylor Hamasaki.  Probably the most talented player on the team because of his athleticism and basketball saavy.  If he raises his game, this team will do very well.  Bokosky has loosened reigns and if he allows the team (and Hamasaki) a little more freedom, something special could happen.  Good test Tuesday at Vanguard.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hemingway13 on November 18, 2013, 12:33:38 AM
Hoops_lover,


Thanks for your cogent report, as I'm predicting Chapman to be one of prime contenders for the conference title. It wasn't very long-ago that CU was the place where SCIAC champions went to, invariably, be "egressed" in the 1st round of D3 playoffs.


Cheers!


Hem
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on November 18, 2013, 04:52:06 PM
D3hoops.com Top 25 No. 15 St. Thomas came to SoCal.

Pomona beat the Tommies 80-77 on Friday night. Xavyr Moss scored 24 John Weiss had 18 for the victorious Sagehens. Pomona is at Biola tomorrow night.

On Saturday night, UST beat Oxy 82-65. The Tommies led 40-29 at the half, and were up by as many as 20 in the second half. For Oxy, Kris Montoya scored 23 and Spencer Levy had 20. The Tigers play the St. Katherine College Fightin' Firebirds on the 23rd.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on November 18, 2013, 05:55:55 PM
Definitely some quality wins for the SCIAC this year against regional opponents...exciting to see!

Caltech next plays St. Vincent followed by either Linfield or UC Santa Cruz.  Will be interesting to see how this Caltech team does on the road...they have had lots of support and encouragement at home playing in front of a loud gym.  It will be important for Caltech to get out of the gate strong in these games to gain some confidence...if they get down early, I worry a blowout may ensue.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hemingway13 on November 18, 2013, 06:32:57 PM
Quote from: WoostAr on November 18, 2013, 05:55:55 PM
Definitely some quality wins for the SCIAC this year against regional opponents...exciting to see!

Caltech next plays St. Vincent followed by either Linfield or UC Santa Cruz.  Will be interesting to see how this Caltech team does on the road...they have had lots of support and encouragement at home playing in front of a loud gym.  It will be important for Caltech to get out of the gate strong in these games to gain some confidence...if they get down early, I worry a blowout may ensue.


WoostAr,

Good luck at the UCSC Tourney.  Your concern about CIT maintaining confidence on the road is same as mine about Redlands. Would you believe, our first 11 games are all at home including 2 SCIAC (Whit. and Chap.)? Jeepers! ::)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on November 20, 2013, 08:36:32 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on November 18, 2013, 04:52:06 PM
Pomona is at Biola tomorrow night.

Biola 73 Pomona 70 Final

Pomona led 62-55 with 6:30 to go. Biola came back and took the lead 66-65 at 3:55. Michael Cohen's layup gave the Sagehens the lead 70-69 at 2:13, but Biola's Dakari Archer hit a 3-ball with 1:48 to put the Eagles up by 2, and BU went on to win.

For Pomona, Jake Klewer had 18, Michael Cohen 17, Nick Nordale 11, and Xavyr Moss had 10. The Sagehens (1-1) have another battle with the GSAC @ Westmont this Saturday.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on November 21, 2013, 02:55:39 PM
Interested in the match-up La Verne has tomorrow against Ohio Wesleyan.  Ohio Wesleyan has been a great team the past two years playing in the NCAC.  They took two games a piece off perennial power houses Wittenberg and Wooster last year en route to a NCAC tournament championship and an NCAA tournament berth.

While OWU graduated 8 players from last year's squad, I would expect that they will remain in the top tier of the NCAC which gets multiple NCAA tourney bids each year.

La Verne gets a fair shake at this playing on a neutral court...would be a big win for the SCIAC...hopefully they're streaming it somewhere.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hoops_lover on November 22, 2013, 03:35:00 AM
Good luck to La Verne vs. Westmont and congrats to PP in beating St. Thomas last week.
Chapman blown out by Vanguard this past Tuesday 90-71.  Vanguard's size and athleticism too much for Chapman.  Hamasaki (17 points) and Nick Dragovich (to an extent) were the only players Vanguard had trouble guarding.  Joyce and Justin Young had problems handling their bigs.  Vanguard scored 24 points off of 18 Chapman turnovers and hit 10 threes compared to Chapman's four.  Panthers play Menlo tonight, then last year's GSAC conference playoff runner up Arizona Christian, ranked #16 in NAIA D-1 next Tuesday.  Both are home games for Chapman.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on November 22, 2013, 02:37:42 PM
Congrats to La Verne on beating OWU 66-63...as I mentioned in my post yesterday, this was no slouch team last year and a big game for the SCIAC to win.  It will be interesting to see how each of these teams' seasons progress from here.

La Verne with a slight advantage in rebounding and hit a few more threes en route to winning a tight game.  La Verne looks to be awfully deep this year as they played 11 guys 12+ minutes. Ron See and Kendall McClain the high scorers for La Verne. 



Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on November 22, 2013, 05:18:52 PM
Quote from: stag44 on November 16, 2013, 11:08:07 AM
CMS with a great win over San Diego Christian.

Claremont followed up its win over SDCC with a win over The Master's College. 2-0 vs. GSAC. Nice!

Tonight CMS is at Pacific and tomorrow night at Willamette, which so far has lost to Caltech and La Verne.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on November 22, 2013, 06:02:13 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on November 22, 2013, 05:18:52 PM
Quote from: stag44 on November 16, 2013, 11:08:07 AM
CMS with a great win over San Diego Christian.

Claremont followed up its win over SDCC with a win over The Master's College. 2-0 vs. GSAC. Nice!

Tonight CMS is at Pacific and tomorrow night at Willamette, which so far has lost to Caltech and La Verne.

OxyBob

Certainly impressive wins, but it's about time they play games that count toward the regional rankings.  If CMS is playing up to their usual standard (and it certainly appears they're there) I expect CMS to emerge victorious from both games in the North West.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on November 24, 2013, 01:37:42 PM
Saturday's scores:

Oxy 79, St. Katherine College 69
Keystone 73, La Verne 64
Claremont 63, Willamette 61
Westmont 77, Pomona 69
Lewis & Clark 101, Redlands 70
Linfield 60, Caltech 54

OxyBob

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on November 25, 2013, 02:03:20 PM
Defining Caltech stat for the young season: 22.9% from 3 pt range...those shots need to fall for Caltech's post players to be able to work. 

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on November 26, 2013, 02:20:34 PM
http://www.d3hoops.com/top25/men/2013-14/week1

Ohio Wesleyan has votes for rankings and St Thomas is still pretty high on the list...both have lost to SCIAC teams. 

I missed the blowout win for Pacific over CMS...only 35 pts scored??...what happened there?!?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on November 28, 2013, 12:32:27 AM
Caltech lost to Whitman tonight 87-73. They got off to a poor start trying to get through Whitmans press which put them in an 11-0 hole. Caltech bounced back to get as close as 3 but struggled with turnovers with 21 on the game. Fortunately they shot over 50% from the field and kept up a great intensity level. They were close in the rebounding battle 32-28. 3 players in double digits: Lango, Galliani, and Lee. KC Emezie had 9.

Whitman is a very good team. They played uptempo all game. They pressed every possession, even off missed shots and were generally feisty on d. They shot 50% from 3 which was the difference in the game. I am interested to see how they do against redlands.

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on December 01, 2013, 11:34:49 PM
Quick CMS early season observation

The Stags have had an up-and-down start to the year. They came out of the games blazing beating 2 GSAC schools (San Diego Christian, Masters) easily and scoring at will. Then they put up a historically low 35 points at Pacific where they shot 1-21 from 3s and nothing seemed to work. They bounced back with a uneven performance but a win @ Willamette. At the Wells Classic, they had another uneven game and this time came up short against Johns Hopkins as they were unable to make some plays down the stretch. They finished of the Wells Classic with an impressive win in their first home gain against a chippy UC Santa Cruz team.

Tyler Gaffaney is showing why he is a front runner for POY and has the chance to be a All-Region and potentially an All-American if he continues to put up the stat-lines he has so far. The bigs have also shown big steps from last year as Nick Lund and Shelby Lane are playing at a high level and finishing around the rim at at high %.

More to come later

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on December 03, 2013, 04:24:43 PM
SCIAC conference ball tips off tomorrow!!

Chapman at Redlands -- Redlands is a tough place to play for anyone

Cal Lu at Pomona Pitzer -- Pomona Pitzer has played some tough teams in the pre-season and has won a couple of them...Cal Lu undefeated in the pre-season playing some weaker competition.  Pomona Pitzer is my early choice for winning the SCIAC this year...I reserve the right to change my opinion often. :)

Oxy at Caltech -- Caltech is a young team as I've detailed for the last few weeks.  They just played Whitman, a team that presses the whole game, much like Oxy...they handled it pretty well.  Should be a competitive game.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hoops_lover on December 04, 2013, 11:51:01 AM
Agree with WoostAr, Panthers will have a tough time at Redlands tonight, but I think they'll win in a close game.  Chapman was sleep walking vs. AZ Christian going down by 23 at halftime.  They woke up in the 2nd half outscoring AZ Christian by 11.  I also agree that Pomona-Pitzer is the favorite to win the conference and should defeat Cal Lu.  Cal Tech over Oxy tonight in an upset, if you can call a "home" game an upset.  Good luck to all.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on December 05, 2013, 01:15:12 AM

Caltech with a tough loss at home.  The teams played very tightly for most of the game, the difference in the game was a 3 minute stretch that began with Nick Buoniconti technical foul...this was the impetus for Oxy's 14 point halftime lead.  Caltech got as close as 4 in the second half but lost by 8. 

Kris Montoya makes Oxy's offense go and Caltech had a lot of trouble with him.  He kept penetrating and dishing or scoring (no assists in the box score, but he set up almost everything Oxy did).  Oxy got all the 50/50 balls this game which lead to a huge rebounding margin in Oxy's favor. 

As a Caltech fan this was a frustrating game to watch:  Caltech kept getting in their own way.  Untimely turnovers and not getting to loose balls cost them greatly.  KC Emezie had 5 turnovers, Bryan Joel had a couple turnovers on fast breaks and rebounds slipped through every Caltech players' hands.  On the bright side, they fought back from a huge deficit and played a much better second half...they will be a tough match up for all SCIAC teams this year and I expect they will get a few league wins.

Neither team played particularly well and I doubt either is happy with their performance this evening.   Next up is Pomona Pitzer at Caltech on Sautrday.

Chapman with a big win at Redlands...I must admit this win surprises me, would love to hear about that game.

Looks like Pomona Pitzer beat Cal Lutheran rather handily.

Now for my stretch of the day...Ohio Wesleyan played Wooster (#3 in the nation on D3hoops) today.  Ohio Wesleyan stayed right with Wooster for most of the game, losing by 8.  OWU is the team that La Verne beat by 3 earlier this season...I think La Verne might have a great team this year, can't wait to see them in person. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on December 05, 2013, 01:23:46 AM
WoostAR,

Close most of the way. Lots of missed easy short shots. Good defense.
Could tell it was an early season game.
Exciting to watch.
Nice write-up of the game on the Redlands' web site.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on December 05, 2013, 01:08:28 PM
Quote from: WoostAr on December 05, 2013, 01:15:12 AM
Caltech got as close as 4 in the second half but lost by 8.

Oxy led by 18 with 17 minutes to go, let CIT get to within 3 plus the ball with 1:15 left, but the Tigers narrowly escaped and avoided a very embarrassing loss.

Quote from: WoostAr on December 05, 2013, 01:15:12 AM
Kris Montoya makes Oxy's offense go and Caltech had a lot of trouble with him. 

Montoya and Ty Cobb (11 pts and 8 rebs) did enough to make sure they weren't members of a team which lost to Caltech twice.

Quote from: WoostAr on December 05, 2013, 01:15:12 AM
they will be a tough match up for all SCIAC teams this year and I expect they will get a few league wins.

Before getting a few, it'd probably be a good idea to first get one.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 05, 2013, 04:27:29 PM
It's very confusing for me to follow a D3 basketball game that involves Ty Cobb and Nick Buoniconti. I keep wondering when Phil Esposito, Sam Snead, Norm Van Brocklin, and Ducky Medwick are going to check into the game.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on December 05, 2013, 04:32:48 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 05, 2013, 04:27:29 PM
It's very confusing for me to follow a D3 basketball game that involves Ty Cobb and Nick Buoniconti. I keep wondering when Phil Esposito, Sam Snead, Norm Van Brocklin, and Ducky Medwick are going to check into the game.

Good reply, but I am disappointed that in trying to be clever you let these slide past your sodden sensibilities:

Quote from: WoostAr on December 03, 2013, 04:24:43 PM
Pomona Pitzer has played some tough teams in the pre-season and has won a couple of them...Cal Lu undefeated in the pre-season playing some weaker competition. 

OxyBob

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 05, 2013, 04:35:09 PM
I didn't mention them because I knew that you'd do my work for me in bringing them to everyone's attention by haranguing me for my negligence, Bob. In other words, you walked right into my trap. ;)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on December 05, 2013, 04:53:37 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 05, 2013, 04:35:09 PM
In other words, you walked right into my trap.

http://www.johnspeedie.com/healy/bull.wav

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on December 06, 2013, 11:12:14 AM
Saturday, Dec. 7 schedule:

Conference games:
Pomona @ Caltech
Whittier @ Redlands
La Verne @ Occidental

Nonconference:
Cal Lutheran @ Chapman

Do my eyes deceive me, or do the SCIAC men's games on Saturdays start at 5:00 p.m., followed by the women's games at 7:00 p.m.? Who came up with that bright idea?

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on December 06, 2013, 11:20:23 AM
Bob,
Briefly recapped.........the NCAA came up with it, having to do with gender equality.
Can't wait for your response!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hoops_lover on December 06, 2013, 12:18:32 PM
Chapman @ Redlands: Early on I thought Chapman was going win fairly easily because the Redlands couldn't hit anything while Hamasaki was hitting everything.   In came Bjekovic and Glapion for the Bulldogs and those two guys turned the game around.  Bjekovic was grabbing every rebound in sight and Glapion provided better ball handling and speed.

The normally productive Chapman bench did not produce (ZERO points entire game). 

What won the game for Chapman was Nick Dragovich's play in the second half, especially on the boards.  With about 30 seconds left in the game and Chapman up three, his offensive rebound after a Zavrsnick missed 3 pointer allowed Chapman to call a time out, set up a play which put Zavrsnick on the line and he made one of two to get them a four point lead and some breathing room. 

Hamasaki was magnificent scoring 27 with 16 in the second half.  There was a stretch in the second half with I think under seven minutes to play, Each time Redlands tied the score, Hamasaki hit shots to keep the Panthers ahead.

Oxy Bob, when will you grant Chapman entrance into the SCIAC? :)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on December 06, 2013, 12:24:48 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on December 06, 2013, 11:12:14 AM
Do my eyes deceive me, or do the SCIAC men's games on Saturdays start at 5:00 p.m., followed by the women's games at 7:00 p.m.? Who came up with that bright idea?

Quote from: dahlby on December 06, 2013, 11:20:23 AM
Briefly recapped.........the NCAA came up with it, having to do with gender equality.

The memo must not have reached the Pacific Northwest, where according to the teams' schedules the women's games start at 6:00 p.m. followed by the men's games at 8:00 p.m. Sexist pigs.

Really, the 5:00 p.m. game start time for the men on Saturdays is just a stupid SCIAC thing, right?

OxyBob

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: madzillagd on December 06, 2013, 12:33:51 PM
They've been flip-flopping the start times for men/women NESCAC games the past couple of years.  Last year was men first, women second.  This year is women first, men second.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on December 06, 2013, 12:57:05 PM
Personally, I think that more people come for the men's game and arrive early and are able to catch the end of the women's game. I don't think too many will stick around for the women's game. Although, women's attendance is not up to the men's,
it is still pretty good.

I think it should be left up to the individual schools, based on their preferences.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on December 06, 2013, 12:57:42 PM
Quote from: madzillagd on December 06, 2013, 12:33:51 PM
They've been flip-flopping the start times for men/women NESCAC games the past couple of years.  Last year was men first, women second.  This year is women first, men second.

Nice to know that the highfalutin schools in the NESCAC can come up with the same stupid ideas as those in the SCIAC.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on December 06, 2013, 01:12:14 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on December 06, 2013, 12:57:42 PM
Quote from: madzillagd on December 06, 2013, 12:33:51 PM
They've been flip-flopping the start times for men/women NESCAC games the past couple of years.  Last year was men first, women second.  This year is women first, men second.

Nice to know that the highfalutin schools in the NESCAC can come up with the same stupid ideas as those in the SCIAC.

OxyBob
Pomona is a NESCAC wannabe.  Only geography is stopping them.  They probably came up with the idea in conjunction with the Oxy AD.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on December 06, 2013, 01:24:46 PM
From what I heard bouncing around, the thought went there might be more people in attendance at the womens' games if the mens' games went first...so they're trying that theory out.

Excited to see PP play this weekend.

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on December 06, 2013, 02:20:34 PM
Quote from: WoostAr on December 06, 2013, 01:24:46 PM
From what I heard bouncing around, the thought went there might be more people in attendance at the womens' games if the mens' games went first

Maybe they can combine the men and the women and play co-ed games. For fairness, for each team only one man allowed on the court at a time. Men cannot dunk, hand-check, or press. Everyone must play at least 5 minutes. 20-point lead mercy rule so no one's feelings get hurt. Attendance will soar.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gosox on December 06, 2013, 02:41:12 PM
And that my friends, is why I love seeing Oxy Bob's comments...bawhahahahaha...nice one!!!!
Missed seeing ya post..hope all is well brother.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gosox on December 06, 2013, 02:43:23 PM
Just for note. Mike Edwards from last years Caltech team..is heading to play in the Professional Premier Basketball League in South Carolina with the Pee Dee Vipers.  Nice to see his career will continue!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on December 06, 2013, 02:56:42 PM
Quote from: Gosox on December 06, 2013, 02:43:23 PM
Just for note. Mike Edwards from last years Caltech team..is heading to play in the Professional Premier Basketball League in South Carolina with the Pee Dee Vipers.

Keep firing up those long, high-arcing, Lynn Shackelford-esque jump shots!

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on December 06, 2013, 03:09:15 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on December 06, 2013, 02:20:34 PM

Maybe they can combine the men and the women and play co-ed games. For fairness, for each team only one man allowed on the court at a time. Men cannot dunk, hand-check, or press. Everyone must play at least 5 minutes. 20-point lead mercy rule so no one's feelings get hurt. Attendance will soar.

OxyBob
No hand-check?  That's why the men would consider those rules.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on December 08, 2013, 03:30:11 PM
Saturday final SCIAC scores:

Oxy 72 La Verne 70 -- Juwan Rice's FTs with 0.4 sec left gave the Tigers the win.
Redlands 90 Whittier 64 -- Alex Rudd career-high 27 pts for UR.
Pomona 87 Caltech 60 -- Pomona led 15-0 after 4 minutes and 51-19 at halftime.

Nonconference:
Cal Lutheran 84 Chapman 81 -- Moorpark College transfer Coltrane Powdrill 25 pts for CLU.

Claremont was idle.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 10, 2013, 02:18:06 PM
Quote from: dahlby on December 06, 2013, 11:20:23 AM
Bob,
Briefly recapped.........the NCAA came up with it, having to do with gender equality.
Can't wait for your response!

The NCAA plays no part whatsoever in scheduling of regular season games.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hoops_lover on December 10, 2013, 05:56:45 PM
Have to hand it to Cal Lu, they played well in a game which I thought they were going to lose. Quintana, their center, was 5-5 from the field.  Powdrill a GREAT addition tot he team.  The Kingsmen tried to give it back to Chapman in the last three minutes by not converting free throws and turning it over twice.  Hamasaki had about four shots rattle in then pop out.  Joyce, the center, went out early in the second half with an eye injury.  Whittier going to be tough for the Panthers on Monday.  They have athleticism.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on December 12, 2013, 05:55:17 AM
Webcast Witness:

CMS 65 - PP 59

This was a huge game in the history of the rivalry as this is the last year of Ducey Gym before construction begins on the state-of-the-art Roberts Pavilion after this hoops season. The gym is a huge part of CMS history and provided an stunning home-court advantage for the Stags, especially in SCIAC play (ask OxyBob: Temple of Doom).

Recap:
CMS came out of the games hot and quickly went up 5-0 and was playing inspired basketball. PP battled back to 10-11 with 14 minutes to go. CMS dominated the next 10 minutes getting the lead to 13 at 28-15. It was a full team effort led by strong senior play from both Tyler Gaffaney and Remy Pinson. Jason Harrington hit some timely 3s and the 5man tandem of Nick Lund and Shelby Lane played big and active on the block. The last 4 minutes brought PP all the way back as they hit 4 straight 3s and finished the half on a 12-2 run to get to halftime 30-27 CMS. Joe Eyen hit 2 big threes and PP had momentum going into the half.

The momentum continued as PP regained the lead at 31-30 scoring the first 4 points of the half. The game see-sawed for the next 11 minutes as no team led by more than 4 points until a Harrington runner put the Stags up 56-50 with 6:50 remaining. The Stags never relinquished the lead but as is customary with all CMS-PP games, there were some tight moments to the finish as a Shelby Lane intentional foul with under a minute to go and the Stags leading by 6 gave the Sagehens a chance to make it interesting.

Analysis:
This game lived up to all the hype as many think these two teams will be the two competing for the SCIAC championship and NCAA auto-bid. Coach Scali and Kats continually have the 2 best coached teams in the conference. For as long as I have been affiliated with the SCIAC (9 years), I CMS (86 wins, .754 win%) and PP (70 wins, .614 win%) have the most SCIAC wins over the time period. They always have their teams ready to play and outside of one blip year for PP (2010-11) both teams have been over .500 in SCIAC play over that same time period. That shows the tremendous consistency in their programs and in their recruiting, scouting, in-game coaching. This game was no different. Pomona has some serious guard power and Kats has really tried to get that to show through. Their offense this year involves alot more ball screens with their mobile 5s and side clearouts for guard penetration. This allows their trio of experienced guard (McAndrews, Cohen, and Moss) and newcomer (Nordale) to put pressure on defenses and creates serious O-board and bunny opportunities for their athletic bigs (Klewer, Weiss, FaroneCollins). CMS continues along with old faithful in their motion offense. They continue to grind teams down and given a week to prepare for PP were really able practice and get better in learning the motion. While the CMS team only lost Mivshek, Sullivan and Cain - there have been times early in the year that Scali has played 3 Frosh and 2 Sophs at the same time. Their newcomers are studs, but it still does take time to learn the motion and create the continuity of having all 5 guys on the same page. It was interesting to see both coaches use their timeouts early and often. They both knew it was going to be a high energy environment in Ducey and I think used the timeouts to help control the emotions of the games and not let things get out of hand with their respective teams or to stop momentum of runs.

From a player perspective we got to see 2 of the top players in the SCIAC matchup against each other in Gaffaney and McAndrews. They are both absolute studs.  McAndrews plays with an outward swagger and confidence that his teammates seem to also feed off of. He played extremely well and was a major reason they came back late in the 2nd half to make things interesting. He's able to finish off the bounce, make fadeaways and create for his teammates. Even as a junior he's played in every game he's been healthy for and started in almost all of the (only 4 games off the bench) and thus plays beyond his years. Since his freshman year when he made 3 FTs to beat CMS' incredible 25-3 team at Ducey he plays with ice in his veins and is a big time player. I think he will continue to mature and is a virtual lock for 1st team all conference.

Gaffaney showed again why, in my opinion, he's the best player on the Stags, in the SCIAC, and a top player regionally and nationally. He can score it any way and showed it tonight - he made 3s, pull up jumpers, floaters, and layed it in. He made shots off the pass, off the bounce and created numerous opportunities for his teammates. He finished the night with 19pts on 7-12 shooting 2-4 3s, had 4 rebounds and 2 assists with 2 steals. On the year his line efficiency is off the charts and is in a rare 55/45 club. If he wasn't plagued by the Stag FT-itis, he could very easily be in that rarified 50/40/90 club. In any case after watching over 6 CMS games, every time he catches the ball he is putting pressure on the defense and a threat to score or create open shots for his teammates. Defensively he is a 1-on-1 stud. He usually checks the other teams best guard and makes their life miserable. Because he's 6'3 and STRONG he can control most D3 guards with his strength and length, while his lateral quickness allows him to stay in front of most guards and challenge ball screens. He's an incredible motion guard as he can handle it, pass it, shoot it and drive it. He's a relentless worker and can take over games when needed.

There's plenty more to discuss on both teams, the game and the program, but I think this was another great chapter in the rivalry!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on December 12, 2013, 01:20:44 PM
Quote from: stag44 on December 12, 2013, 05:55:17 AM
The gym is a huge part of CMS history and provided an stunning home-court advantage for the Stags, especially in SCIAC play (ask OxyBob: Temple of Doom).

Q: Is it bigger than a breadbox?
A: No.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on December 14, 2013, 09:09:16 PM
Caltech beat UC Santa Cruz at home in overtime tonight 70-67.

This game was reminiscent of several of Caltech's earlier games, particularly against Oxy and Willamette.  In each of these games, Caltech has come out against a team they should compete with and dug themselves an early hole.  Tonight they got down 9-2 early and eventually down 14 just before the half.  They seem to know their offense (predominantly a version of the triangle), they just don't seem to execute with much passion early -- they appear tentative.  Luke Lango did a great job of scoring outside of the offense to keep Caltech in the game...he had 8 in the first half, a total matched by the combined efforts of Hogue, Lee and Emezie.  Additionally, their defense does not get on shooters right out of the gate...Santa Cruz had WIDE open looks in the first twenty minutes of this game resulting in them shooting 48%.  The lackluster first half play is something this team will have to address if they hope to win in the SCIAC.

The second half, Caltech looked like a different team...their offense executed well.  They did a great job of establishing Lee at the high post and Emezie hit two threes and had two strong drives.  The two of them accounted for 18 of Caltech's 35 points in the second half.  Their defense also came alive and limited UC Santa Cruz to 35% shooting from the field. 

Overtime was a slugfest...refs swallowed their whistles and both teams were on the floor going after loose balls...Caltech excels in this type of game with their size...when they are allowed to body opponents they manage rather well, their players have not adjusted well to the new hand check rule though which got Santa Cruz into the bonus early.  Apparently that rule doesn't apply in overtime though :)  Caltech got up six half-way through the extra frame and held on to win by three.

UC Santa Cruz is 0fer against the SCIAC this season, a trend Cal Lu will try to continue tomorrow.  Cal Lu demolished Illinois Tech earlier this evening at Caltech...Arik Smith lead the way for the Kingsman with 14 points, Powdrill with 9 pts, 9 reb. 

Caltech faces Illinois Tech tomorrow at Cal Lu.  At the beginning of the season, I thought that if Caltech could limit their turnovers, they would have a shot to win games, they're doing that...I also thought they would be an excellent rebounding team...they are not (yet) and are having more trouble scoring than I expected they would.  They should have a good shot at winning tomorrow, here's hoping they come out charged up off of their win tonight.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 14, 2013, 09:22:30 PM
Hey, hey - Caltech should have a winning streak after tomorrow!  IL Tech is some kind of awful. :o
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 14, 2013, 09:30:27 PM
Quote from: WoostAr on December 14, 2013, 09:09:16 PMThey should have a good shot at winning tomorrow

"A good shot at winning"? If Caltech loses to IIT tomorrow, the Beavers themselves should be shot. ;)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on December 14, 2013, 10:55:29 PM
I just don't like counting my chickens before they're hatched. :)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gosox on December 15, 2013, 11:13:10 AM
It was definitely a "let em play" game, especially in the second half!  Caltech did a much better job at shot selection, especially for a young team predominantly loaded with freshman.  It will be interesting to see how they progress as they gain the experience from games.

On another note, I watched a portion of the game before the Caltech game, featuring Cal Lu...Cal Lu is much improved from last year with some "imports" and shouldn't be over looked as they now have some much needed size....
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on December 15, 2013, 01:32:12 PM
Saturday scores:

Claremont was game but lost to NAIA-1 No. 12 Concodia-Irvine 66-60. Tyler Gaffney had 14 for the Stags.

Pomona blew a 13-point second half lead and lost to Pacific 72-66. Michael Cohen scored 21 for the Sagehens. Pacific is at Oxy on Wednesday Tuesday.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on December 15, 2013, 09:43:33 PM
Pacific flew down here twice this year...a bit weird no?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on December 17, 2013, 12:56:14 AM
Did some homework regarding the timing of the men's and women's tip off times...
For Saturday night double hitters, it is a SCIAC ruling that the men's games will be played first followed by the women's games.
Don't know yet if this will be continued next year. It will be discussed at a later date.

Chapman over Whittier tonight in a high scoring shootout.
Check out   chapmanathletics.com   for the box score and write up.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hoops_lover on December 18, 2013, 03:32:26 AM
Okay 90+ points against West Coast Baptist, but 90+ against Whittier.  Who would have believed that?  Who would've also believed that CHAPMAN is playing more uptempo, calling far less plays than the past few years and letting their athletes play ball.  Don't get me wrong, plays are GOOD, but when it causes your guys to think to much about the play their running and not be basketball players, team start going into the crapper.
Garrett James has made an impact for this Panther team.  He's freed up Hamasaki from bringing the ball up and allowing him to do what he does best, score and create better looks for Zavrsnick and Jordan Young.  Hamasaki was 0fer from three point land and finally hit three 3 point shots against Whittier.  He scored 13 points in a five minute stretch to help Chapman up their lead to 20+ at halftime.  Stag44 says that McAndrews and Gaffaney are two of the best players in SCIAC and I agree.  I think you can add Hamasaki and Whittier's DeMusis to that list.
Chapman was scorching from the perimeter Monday.  They might have missed one or two shots from the outside in the first half.  Panthers are improving game to game and have a stretch of four non-conference to end 2013. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on December 18, 2013, 12:58:44 PM
Tuesday night scores:

Pacific 71, Oxy 70 OT

Oxy led 65-62 with 15 seconds to go in regulation, but Ty Cobb fouled Pacific's Jordan Batey on a 3-ball with 7 seconds left. Batey made all 3 FTs and the game went to overtime. Pacific scored the first 4 points of OT and were not headed. Oxy had a couple of chances to win the game at the end of OT but came up short.

Spencer Levy scored 23 and Kris Montoya had 20 for Oxy.

Pacific improved to 6-2 and 4-1 vs. SCIAC. Oxy is 3-3. Next up for the Tigers are a couple of games against Pacific Lutheran and UC Santa Cruz @ Chapman on Dec. 21 and 22.

Redlands 88, UC Santa Cruz 73

Alex Rudd scored 21 as UR easily defeated UCSC, which is 2-9 and 0-6 vs. SCIAC. Redlands is 3-5. The Bulldogs host Willamette tomorrow night.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on December 21, 2013, 10:14:43 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on December 18, 2013, 12:58:44 PM
The Bulldogs host Willamette tomorrow night.

Redlands 89, Willamette 75

Easy win for Redlands. Ricky Peetz scored 30 for UR.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on December 23, 2013, 12:35:27 AM
In action this weekend at Chapman University:
Oxy defeated Pacific Lutheran 81-74 and UC Santa Cruz 83-73.
Chapman defeated UC Santa Cruz 80-71 and Pacific Lutheran 75-64.

Oxy improves to 5-3 overall and 2-0 conference.
Chapman goes to 7-3 overall and 2-1 in SCIAC action.

Box scores and write-ups are available on D3 Hoops scores.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on December 23, 2013, 04:15:31 AM
QuoteOxy defeated Pacific Lutheran 81-74 and UC Santa Cruz 83-73.

Against PLU on Saturday, Oxy trailed 35-25 at the start of the second half, but rallied to tie it up 60-60 with 8 minutes left. Two 3-pointers and a couple of FTs by Kris Montoya helped give the Tigers a 70-65 lead, and Oxy won it from there. Montoya finished with 28 points, Juwan Rice scored 13, and Jay Miller and Andrew Johnson had 12 and 11 each.

Against UCSC on Sunday: Spencer Levy scored 18, Miller 14, Kory Hamane 11, Rice 10, and Ty Cobb 10.

Also on Saturday: Cal Lutheran improved to 8-1 with a 64-59 win over Willamette. Arik Smith scored 17 and Corey Quintana had 15 plus 11 rebounds for the Kingsmen.

OxyBob

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on December 29, 2013, 11:13:30 AM
Saturday scores:

No. 14 Calvin 88, Redlands 82

UR: Alex Rudd 25, Ricky Peetz 20, Eric Radford 13, Aljosa Bjekovic 12

Milwaukee Engineering 77, La Verne 70 OT

ULV: Niall Harrison 20 and 11 rebs, Ronn See 16

Whittier 94 Cal Maritime 82

WC: Chris Barnes-William 25, Eric Jennings 13, Nick Demusis and Tyree Landrum 12 each

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on December 30, 2013, 03:34:00 PM
Sunday scores:

Cal Lutheran 82, Ripon 65

CLU improved to 9-1. Corey Quintana 21, Arik Smith 18, Coltrane Powdrill 12.

Ohio Northern 102, Caltech 69

CIT: Kc Emezie 17, Lawrence Lee 12, Bryan Joel 10.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CMSfan on December 31, 2013, 02:56:53 AM
Nice win for the Stags tonight over 16th ranked Calvin. I caught some of the live video and was glad to see the Stags shooting so well. Here's the game recap: http://www.cmsathletics.org/sports/mbkb/2013-14/releases/20131231l9q6ep (http://www.cmsathletics.org/sports/mbkb/2013-14/releases/20131231l9q6ep)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on December 31, 2013, 12:52:10 PM
Quote from: CMSfan on December 31, 2013, 02:56:53 AM
Nice win for the Stags tonight over 16th ranked Calvin.

Claremont 66, Calvin 50

Other Monday night scores:

Milwaukee Engineering 84, Oxy 82

Oxy: Andrew Johnson 23, Spencer Levy 18, Kris Montoya and Juwan Rice 11 each.

Cal Lutheran 71, Hamline 57

CLU: Coltrane Powdrill 25, Guy Lynott 12, Jeremy Sulker-Hall 10.

Whittier 79, Pacifica 71

WC: Nick Demusis 22, Chris Barnes-William 16 and 12 rebs, Jacob Porter 11, Michael Alvarez 10.

Happy New Year to one and all!

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on December 31, 2013, 08:47:53 PM
Tuesday results:

Ohio Northern 86 Chapman 82

Stats at
www.chapmanathletics.com

Cornell over CIT 61 -49

Oxy over La Sierra 84-81
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gosox on January 01, 2014, 12:28:59 AM
Happy New Year to all. I have enjoyed, and will continue to, all the info on this board!...I look forward to the updates over the next four years...again....and it is official...Mike Edwards signs his first pro contract and becomes Caltech's first pro basketball player....

Oxy have a great new year.....!  looking forward to chattin with you soon brother!...All my best!....(and keep em coming!)   ;D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 03, 2014, 11:16:05 AM
Eyewitness report from Thousand Oaks:

La Verne 64, Cal Lutheran 57

ULV got a big road win at CLU. In the first half the Leopards played with a lot of energy, while CLU looked lethargic and disinterested. ULV shot 60% from the floor in the first half and led 33-20 at halftime. In the second half ULV led 44-29 at 14:15 but CLU chipped away. Key play: CLU's Arik Smith hit a 3-pointer to cut La Verne's lead to 53-48 at 4:20, but ULV's Ronn See immediately responded with a driving layup and was fouled, made the FT, and the Leopards weren't threatened after that.

For ULV, See scored 18 and had 3 assists, 5 rebounds, and a couple of steals. Weston Newell had 15, and Niall Harrison scored 10.

For CLU, Coltrane Powdrill scored 20 of his 22 points in the second half. He also had 7 rebounds and 2 assists. Arik Smith scored 14 but had 6 turnovers. Jeremy Sulker-Hall came off the bench and scored 13.

CLU outrebounded ULV 33-28, but the Kingsmen were only 2-for-10 on 3s, and 9-19 FTs.

La Verne is 4-6 and 1-1 SCIAC. The Leopards host Caltech (3-8, 0-2) on Saturday, while Cal Lutheran (10-2, 1-2) hosts Oxy (6-4, 2-0).

Spotted Caltech coach Doc Eslinger and Claremont coach Ken Scalmanini in the stands doing a little scouting. Had a nice evening talking SCIAC sports with Oxy assistant coach and SID Michael Wells, who I mistook for Tigers forward Kris Montoya. Mike is a veritable fountain of sports knowledge.

Whittier was also in action on Thursday. The Poets lost at UC Santa Cruz 74-66. WC: Chris Barnes-William 16, Nick Demusis 15,  Eric Jennings 13. Whittier (5-5, 0-2) is at UC Merced this Saturday. Quick! What is the nickname of UC Merced?

OxyBobcats
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hoops_lover on January 03, 2014, 04:19:12 PM
Happy New Year to everyone.  Didn't get a chance to see the UC Santa Cruz nor Pac Lu games vs. Chapman.  Did see Oxy play and Newhall has done a pretty good job with this team so far. Seems that everyone knows their role.

Saw both games that Chapman played against Cornell and Ohio Northern.  I thought it was a good prep for Chapman (especially against CMS and Pomona-Pitzer) because both of these teams run their offense very patiently and get good looks at the basket. 
I was concerned when Chapman was down 11 vs. Cornell but fortunately Davis Dragovich and Garrett James score five points between them to end the first half.  With about 16 minutes left in the game, Chapman went on a 18-4 run with Hamasaki scoring 11 of those points on three 3 pointers and a lay up.  in fat with four seconds left on the shot clock and chapman taking the ball out on the sideline in their frontcourt, Hamasaki received the pass in the BACK COURT, took a few dribbles and hit a 35 footer straight away to give Chapman its first lead of the game.  The story on the Chapman website says it was desperation, IT WAS NOT.  he sized up the defender and stroked it.  Hamasaki had a career high of 31 points and added four rebounds three assists and two steals.  Zavrsnick scored 13 with three assists and three rebounds James also had 13 with five rebounds and six assists; and Nick Dragovich had 10 points and eight rebounds.

The game against Ohio Northern was very similar to the Cornell game except when Chapman made a run, the Polar Bears nailed a bucket to keep the Panthers at arm's distance. John Joyce came out of a mini-funk scoring 20 points on 10-11 shooting.  Ohio Northern had no answer for him.  It was nice to see Joyce have a game like this before SCIAC play begins Saturday.  On the flip side, Chapman had no answer for guard Branden Rushton who scored 31 points, hitting 5 of 6 three point shots.  He put the team on his back and carried them to victory.  Hamasaki put up 27 for Chapman, Zavrsnick added 15 and James dished out seven more assists.  Justin Young is rounding back into form after suffering an ankle injury in a pre-season scrimmage.  Mike Atwater is also improving each game and these two with Dragovich and Joyce bolster the Panthers front court.  They're rounding onto a solid team.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hoops_lover on January 03, 2014, 05:31:52 PM
Congratulations to Chapman's Taylor Hamasaki...SCIAC Player of the Week.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cmsme on January 04, 2014, 06:06:11 PM
Looking forward to watching the CMS Chapman game tonight!
CMS people--is the user name and password the same as before?
Is it possible to watch archived games, e.g. CMS PP game?
Best luck to CMS--I am keeping my fingers crossed for another great year. :)
d
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on January 04, 2014, 06:10:56 PM
First Saturday of SCIAC play! Preview and predictions below:

Chapman (8-4, 2-1 SCIAC) @ CMS (6-4, 1-0 SCIAC)
This is the marquee matchup of Saturday night. The Stags were one of the conference favorites coming into the year but have had a rocky road thus far. Chapman had an average season last year but has come back with strong transfers and the bulk of its production back.

CMS is coming off a very impressive win vs #16 Calvin at home, albeit the Calvin team was without its best player. They really played some incredible defense and Grodahl found his groove after getting some quality time at home with 18pts and 8rbs and went on his all to well known hot streaks where he rattled off 10+ points in a row for the stags blowing open the game at the beginning of the 2nd half. Along with that Gaffaney looked to be in a great situation with 13/6/8. As teams begin to key on Tyler and take him away he's shown a way to impact the game with his playmaking, passing and overall skill. It's impressive to see him every game play within the offense and quietly put up HUGE games.

Chapman has been scoring more than they have recently and alot of that comes from Hamasaki. He's been on fire averaging 23ppg over the past 5 games getting to the line and shooting over 50% from the field and a scorching 11/17 from behind the line! Along with Zavrsnick they have a potent 2/3 combo and i based on the box scores the key has been moving Hamasaki to the 2 and letting Concordia transfer Garret James run the 1 for them. Along with that, they have some strong post guys with Dragovic and a veteran transfer Joyce who had D1 talent before some off-court issues got the best of him in high school.

I see this game being VERY competitive. Chapman has been scoring like crazy and CMS defense has been in full form this year, so something will have to give. Chapman has also been giving up alot of points (71ppg) letting teams shoot 47% and 38% from 3 while they are shooting 52% and 42% from 3. I think its key for Pinson, Gaffaney, and Grodahl to shut down the guards for Chapman. Offensively they should attack the post and let the motion wear down Chapman. Making Hamasaki and Zavrsnick play defense and making Chapman feel their size disadvantedge will be key for the stags. They should be physical and screen the Chapman guards and make their 4s and 5s move their feet with ball screens. On Chapman's side they should push the ball and as usual try to contain Gaffaney.

I think CMS prevails at home in a close game, with their defense and big games from Grodahl and Pinson

CMS 72 - 64

Caltech (3-8, 0-2 SCIAC) @ ULV (4-6, 1-1 SCIAC)
Both programs are on the rise. ULV has done a really good job under Reed the past few years getting on the D3 national stage with participation in the D3hoops classics and playing against nationally ranked teams. While they haven't won as much they still have been improving and always play with a chip on their shoulder. It seems like the team always likes each other and rallies around the troops. This year it seems like they have been the OT players as 3 of their games have headed into extra time. As usual Reed has a semi-unknown rotation with new guys playing big minutes each game, but there has been on constant this year - Ron See. He was a role player the past few years but has come to play in his senior year averaging 15ppg. Along with Stephan and Young they are going to put pressure on the upper echelon of the SCIAC this year. Their pressing and quick tempo should cause fits for Caltech.

Caltech has won 3 games this year and been close in a few other game as well vs NWC teams and SCIAC leading Oxy. They currently have 4 players averaging 9+ points and are a rugged, physical team. I saw them play against Pacific earlier in the season and while the game was a bit of a blowout, you could see that Caltech will cause teams in the SCIAC to take them seriously. They still can be susceptible to relentless pressure but handle it much better. I think they will lose this game but it will be close through the first week.

ULV wins 74-52

Oxy (6-4, 2-0 SCIAC) @ CLU (10-2, 1-2 SCIAC)
Oxy is the surprise early SCIAC leader. They have revamped their style and play and now are being effective with their uptempo style. They are led by the relentlessly offensive Montoya who seems to be putting up 20 points in his sleep. Juwan Rice and Spencer Levy round out their backcourt and have provided some strong play.

CLU did not lose a single non-conference game, but are 1-2 through their first 3 games in the SCIAC. They have reloaded their team with transfer talent in Powdrell and Smith both big time athletes and players. Along with Quintana, Lynott, Wade they have the talent to beat any team in the SCIAC, but as it seems to be the case with the Kingsmen recently they seem disengaged from time to time.

I don't have a good gauge on this game but I think CLU bounces back from their loss on Thursday to ULV with a win.

CLU 67 - 60


Redlands (5-6, 1-1 SCIAC) @ P-P (6-5, 2-1 SCIAC)

This will be a shoot out. Both teams have multiple players who can light it up (Rudd, Peetz for Redlands, Moss, McAndrews, Cohen for PP) from 3 and both teams like to get up and down to shoot quick. I think this will be a game with high scoring and 3s galore.

PP wins at home 81-72
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 05, 2014, 11:38:58 AM
Quote from: stag44 on January 04, 2014, 06:10:56 PM
Oxy is the surprise early SCIAC leader. They have revamped their style and play and now are being effective with their uptempo style. They are led by the relentlessly offensive Montoya who seems to be putting up 20 points in his sleep. Juwan Rice and Spencer Levy round out their backcourt and have provided some strong play. 

Eyewitness report from Thousand Oaks:

Cal Lutheran 79, Oxy 59

This one will not go into my Oxy memory book. CLU easily won. In the first half, Oxy hung around by hitting 7 3-pointers, plus a 3-point play by Spencer Levy, and only trailed 35-26 at the half. In the second half, Ty Cobb's layup made it 46-38 at 15:30, but CLU's Guy Lynott scored 7 straight to make it 53-38, and that was that.

For CLU, Arik Smith scored 20, mostly on uncontested layups, Corey Quintana scored 18, Guy Lynott had 17, and Coltrane Powdrill had 10. For Oxy, Spencer Levy scored 18, and Jay Miller and Kory Hamane each had 11. Kris Montoya came into the game as the conference's leading scorer (19.6 ppg) but only scored 1 point.

As for the other SCIAC games:

La Verne 62, Caltech 52

ULV got off to a 25-9 lead and led comfortably for most of the game. Caltech pecked away and cut the lead to 4 with a minute to go, but ULV scored the last 6 points and got the win. ULV: Weston Newell 13, Niall Harrison 12, Ronn See 10. CIT: Kc Emezie 16.

Pomona 90, Redlands 73

Pomona had no problem with UR. The Sagehens led 16-14 at 13:30, but 7 minutes later it was 40-21, and Pomona cruised from there. All 5 Pomona starters were in double figures: Michael Cohen 20, Xayvr Moss 17, Kyle McAndrews 16, Jake Klewer 12 (and 12 rebs), John Weiss 11. For UR, Aljosa Bjekovic scored 18 (and 11 rebs), Alex Rudd 15, Ricky Peetz 13, Eric Radford 11.

Nonconference:

Claremont 66, Chapman 54

In a nonconference game between Claremont and Chapman, a 13-2 run gave CMS a 60-40 lead at 9:25 and game over. CMS: Tyler Gaffaney 18, Jack Grodahl 13, Remy Pinson 12. CU: Colin Zavrsnik 12, Taylor Hamasaki and John Joyce 11 each.

Whittier had the night off. Whittier defeated UC Merced 79-67. WC: Nick Demusis 15, Chris Barnes-William 14, Eric Jennings 12, David Richardson 10.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hoops_lover on January 07, 2014, 01:54:07 PM
stag 44, great assessment of the CMS/Chapman match-up.  You're right something had to give and it was Chapman allowing many back door lay ups.  There 60%+ FG % was mostly on lay ups or close up shots.  lot of credit goes to the team running their man tightly off the picks.  What impressed me the most was the CMS players were using an arm, leg or torso to make contact on a Panther player every time up and down the court.  After dozen times of that, it wears on you and I could see it affecting most of the Panther players.  Scalmanini, his staff and the team did a great job on not allowing Hamasaki to get to the rim.  Stags usually had three guys retreat to protect the bucket and once set, their defensive rotations were spot on.  On the other hand, Chapman defensive rotations were either late or non-existent and that has been an issue lately.  Joyce, Justin Young and Nick Dragovich need to work on protecting the rim better or coaching staff needs to make an adjustment.  Panthers play at PP tomorrow and hopefully they'll come out with a win.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 08, 2014, 02:59:06 PM
Tonight's schedule, all games 7:30 p.m.

Conference:

Oxy (6-5, 2-1 SCIAC) @ Whittier (6-5, 0-2)
Claremont (7-4, 2-0) @ La Verne (5-6, 2-1)
Caltech (3-9, 0-3) @ Redlands (5-7, 1-2)

Nonconference:

Chapman (8-5) @ Pomona (7-5)

Cal Lutheran has the night off.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on January 09, 2014, 12:37:50 AM
In SCIAC action tonight it was a 90-85-double overtime win for Pomona over Chapman.
Stats at:
www.chapmanathletics
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hoya86 on January 09, 2014, 11:57:08 AM
At 57.4 ppg CMS is #3 in scoring defense in D3 (as of 1/5/14).  They held LaVerne to 30 points below their scoring average last night.

http://www.ncaa.com/stats/basketball-men/d3

Really enjoyed the end of the Chapman-PP game last night.  Very entertaining!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on January 09, 2014, 02:30:03 PM
Caltech is displaying a disturbing trend this season of digging themselves a huge hole early in games...again last night, they went down by 19 at the half before coming back to get within six in the second half. 

Over the course of this season they've trailed by more than ten points at the half in 11 of their 13 games.  They occasionally get back into the games (they actually beat UC Santa Cruz after being down 10+ at half, and made the Oxy, La Verne and Redlands games interesting).

Definitely not a winning formula to spot the opposing team ten or more points.  Still a young team...the fact that they don't fold and fight back is promising...waiting for the game where they come out and their offense clicks right off the opening tip.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: West Coast Bias on January 10, 2014, 05:06:24 PM
The biggest probelm for Cal Tech is that they aren't very good. They are MUCH better than they were a few years ago, which is a testament to Coach O and but more importantly to the administration's commitment to not being an embarassment (as evidence by their improvement in athletics across the board, not just men's hoops). The hoop team is just your garden variety bad basketball team now, which is really a Catch-22. When they were REALLY bad they could sneak up on teams that underestimated them. Now that they are a respectable team, their opponents don't overlook them quite as much, coaches prepare more, players don't expect to win by 50. So even though they are better, there are on the receiving end of a better game from their opponents more often than they were a few years ago. And that is way too much time spent talking about a team that has won 1 SCIAC game in the past 25+ years...

Enough talking about  losing...

An overdue congratulations to Coach Kat at Pomona-Pitzer for winning his 400th game over the holiday break against Trinity in San Antonio. Coach Kat is a class act whose teams always play hard.  I believe Coach Kat (402 and counting) is the 2nd all time winningest coach in SCIAC history behind only Gary Smith of Redlands(450). Also to be mentioned is Rich Rider at Cal Lu whose career win total for divions 2 and 3 is 444.

Great for CMS to be #3 in the nation in scoring defense. We should also congratulate them on being #393 (out of 409) in scoring offense. Good to see that Scali and the Stags are up to their old tricks of trying to make the game as ugly as possible.

The league appears to be a muddle of mediocraty. CMS looks like the team to beat. They have the most balance and depth.  Be sure to check out their live broadcast of their games, especially if you have insomnia. It will put you right to sleep.

PP looks like every other PP team. I imagine their recruiting letter reads like a personal ad. Seeking smart male, between 6'2 and 6'6, can shoot the 3, but pleae no one over 190 pounds...Good enough to make the SCIAC tournament, but about as tough as tissue paper.

I put Whittier, Redlands, Cal Lu and Chapman in a battle for the 3 and 4 spots. Cal Lu will be dangerous as the season goes along as the players continue to learn each others names. Redlands has a chance if they can get Rudd and Peetz into a basic math class (My point< My man's points = UR Loss). Maybe Chapman can do a cross enrollment for that class with Hamasaki and Zarvsnick...who knew Coach Bo had it in him to play games in the 80s??? And Whittier, well I stopped trying to figure out Whittier a long time ago.

Oxy will always have a punchers chance as long as Montoya is there. La Verne has some good talent, if only the refs would stop screwing over Rich Reed.

And then there is the Mighty Techsters...Keep on trucking....or engineering...or whatever...I would still rather watch one one of your games over a CMS snoozefest any day.


Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 10, 2014, 08:43:44 PM
Quote from: West Coast Bias on January 10, 2014, 05:06:24 PM
The league appears to be a muddle of mediocraty. CMS looks like the team to beat. They have the most balance and depth.  Be sure to check out their live broadcast of their games, especially if you have insomnia. It will put you right to sleep.

And then there is the Mighty Techsters...Keep on trucking....or engineering...or whatever...I would still rather watch one one of your games over a CMS snoozefest any day.

First, it's Techers, not Techsters.

Second, I must strongly disagree with WCB's opinion about Claremont.

Quote from: OxyBob on December 13, 2012, 09:49:35 AM
This one was not close. Claremont dominated from start to finish. Classic CMS defense. Cal Lutheran could not get the ball into the block, they could not drive the baseline, they could not get decent shots from the wing, and they could not drive from the top of the key. The Kingsmen mostly passed the ball around the arc, finally flung something up at the basket, missed, and the rebound was gathered in by one of the five CMS players standing under the basket, with no CLU players in sight. A basketball thing of beauty to watch.

When you're on defense against Claremont keep your eyes on your man and don't turn your head. Ooops, you turned your head. Another backdoor layup.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Evolution on January 11, 2014, 01:37:52 AM
Yes.  Caltech has a ways to go, and with time, might do just that.

Currently 70% of playing time at Caltech is going to freshmen class.  Three starters just turned 18. 

With less than a few minutes remaining at Redlands, Caltech had five freshman  on the court and were down by only four. (The published report of six was wrong).  With better focus they should be able to convert on more than 4 for 14 from the line. Especially costly we're the eight missed front ends. 

Truth is Caltech gets everyone's best game because no school wants to have to live with the legacy that Occidental does.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on January 11, 2014, 11:12:59 AM
Evolution:
I agree and welcome aboard!

By the way, a coach at Caltech told me last year they are aware of the opponents desire not to lose to them.
He was smiling when he said it.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on January 11, 2014, 11:38:49 AM
Welcome Evolution.

You've come on with a big bang.

I hope all of your future postings are designed as intelligently as the first ;D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gromek on January 11, 2014, 04:08:26 PM
OFFENSE WINS GAMES,  DEFENSE WIN CHAMPIONSHIPS.  I wonder who said that first?  Probably not west coast bias.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on January 12, 2014, 02:03:21 AM
Quote from: West Coast Bias on January 10, 2014, 05:06:24 PM
The biggest probelm for Cal Tech is that they aren't very good. They are MUCH better than they were a few years ago, which is a testament to Coach O and but more importantly to the administration's commitment to not being an embarassment (as evidence by their improvement in athletics across the board, not just men's hoops). The hoop team is just your garden variety bad basketball team now


I agree with this portion of West Coast Bias' assessment as it pertains to the present.  Caltech has improved drastically and Coach Eslinger deserves all the credit for that, but they have not improved enough to be a serious contender in the SCIAC and I would not classify them as a good basketball team right now.  HOWEVER, the reason there is so much chatter about this team is that they have a lot of talent with a lot of time to gel.  It's all about potential right now and everyone (except West Coast Bias) likes an underdog story. 

After their come back attempt the other night at Redlands, Caltech lost in a blowout at home to Cal Lu tonight...guess we will have to wait at least one more game for that potential to be realized.  Luke Lango lead Caltech with 16, Arik Smith lead Cal Lu with 16 in 20 minutes....that kid can PLAY!

Not sure how anyone can classify PP as "tough as tissue paper" though...I don't think any team by that description beats St. Thomas.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 12, 2014, 07:55:51 PM
Quote from: WoostAr on January 12, 2014, 02:03:21 AM
the reason there is so much chatter about this team is that they have a lot of talent with a lot of time to gel. 

The only reason there is so much chatter about Caltech is because you keep chattering on and on and on about them.

Saturday's SCIAC scores:

Claremont 68, Oxy 50 -- Tyler Gaffaney scored 25 for CMS.
Redlands 65, La Verne 52 -- 15-0 run by UR too much for ULV to overcome.
Cal Lutheran 77, Caltech 53 -- CLU up 26-7 and game over.
Pomona 83, Whittier 74 -- Consecutive 3-balls by Michael Cohen at start of 2nd half gave Pomona comfortable lead.

No surprise: Claremont (9-4, 4-0 SCIAC) and Pomona (9-5, 5-1) have separated themselves from the rest of the pack.

OxyBob

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gosox on January 12, 2014, 09:37:34 PM
"There is no substitute for experience!"....PERIOD....if someone has more of it, it will show....
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on January 14, 2014, 11:54:08 AM
Early Conference Observations and Predictions

Front Runners:
CMS -
If you had told me at the beginning of this year that the CMS defense would be a nationally ranked defense that held multiple NAIA schools below their average and had ULV at 32 points with under 2 minutes left in the game on the road, I would have laughed. But after thinking about it more, they had alot of different things working for them. No offense to Sullivan, Mivshek or Cain who graduated, but the players filling those minutes (Harrington, Gaffaney) are significantly better defensively. This along with having a team with 90% of minutes being played by returners in Scali's system also makes them even nastier on defense. As teams become more experienced with Scali, he really is able to teach intricate details and nuances of defense that allow his teams to really make things difficult for the opposition. I remember in we used to run extremely complex schemes that were drastically different from game to game (guarding CLU bigs, vs ULV run and gun, vs Oxy's balanced attack) I really though this team would be an offensive juggernaut that would fill it up and make teams outscore them. But as is the case with teams that can sometimes be reliant on shooting, there have been games where the Stags have gone cold. But they have been able to rely on their defense as they have yet to give up over 67 points all season and are holding SCIAC teams to just over 50ppg while average 63ppg. While they still have a hefty road schedule left (@PP, @Redlands, @Chapman, @CLU, @CIT, @Whittier) I think they are in a very good position to compete for another SCIAC title. If we see Grodahl and Harrington hit their offensive stride like they did last year, the Stags will be really dangerous and competitive. Their 5s have been a great surprise and really impressive on the defensive end. Let's see how things change once everyone has gotten another look at the Stags. I think that everyone that has watched a CMS game can agree that Gaffaney is head and shoulders the best player on the team, in the conference, and potentially on the West Coast in D3 hoops.

Pomona-Pitzer
First congrats to Kats for getting his 400th win. He's kept PP relevant and near the top of the SCIAC through his entire stay and it doesn't look to be going anywhere. I think its pretty interesting to note that the two schools with arguably the most rigorous admissions standards and academics once enrolled (yes, Caltech wins here) still have the best 2 programs in the conference. It's a really big nod to Katz and Scali for the last 9 years only having 2 years combined between the 2 of them out of the top 3 in conference. This year his team is as explosive as ever. McAndrews has taken a mega-step forward this year and is probably the only person in conversation with Gaffaney for POY thus far. He's been lighting up the scoreboard and making PP dangerous to go for 80+ in any game. Along with 6th year senior Moss, Cohen, and Klewer they are experienced and have played in alot of big games. The surprise has been production from Nordale and Farone Collins - two underclassmen who are playing big minutes for Kats and giving him players who don't need the ball to be effective. Everytime I watch I'm always impressed with Klewer - he's a double-double machine who plays hard and never has a play run for him. He's the emotional leader of the team and while McAndrews gets the headlines for his scoring, swag and demeanor - when PP is at its best is when Klewer is active and making all the plays that dont show up on the scoreboard. They get a chance at redemption vs CMS later this year at Raines in a game that should have serious SCIAC implications.

The crazy race for 3/4 seeds:

There are 6 teams that could find their way in the 3/4 seed right now as they all have 2-3 losses and have been competitive

Chapman
They are tough to read. On paper they should be a top team in the conference with their pieces (James, Hamasaki, Zaversnick, Joyce, etc) and are playing well, but have come up short against the top tier in CMS and PP. They are very skilled and score more than most prior Chapman teams. I think they will beat some teams at home and will create some problems for CMS and PP @ Chapman, similar to last year handing Redlands their only SCIAC lost at Hutton. They are always well coached and get better as the year moves on. I wouldn't want to go to Hutton the last week of conference with a playoff bid on the line. I think they have to find ways to improve/mask their defensive issues and keep letting Hamasaki go off scoring.

CLU
This is a reloaded team with transfers and newcomers galore that started off the seasons hot and was undefeated in non-conference play. They seem to be like Jekyll and Hyde though as they have won @ Chapman and lost hosting ULV. I think Rider has always had really really good talent in his time at CLU (Knudsen, Meier, Grimm, Innis, etc) and certain years he has harnessed them and gotten the team to play together, but recently it seems like the teams can be fractured, disinterested and also don't have the cohesion of many 4 year contributing players on the team. This year is no different, but along the same lines the talent is WAY higher. With the addition of Powdrill and Smith, they bring in top tier SCIAC talent right away. This along with the maturation of Lynott and Quintana makes them dangerous. I think they will battle for the 4th position and probably get it with their talent, but alot depends how they gel as a team.

Redlands
After a historic 15-win SCIAC campaign and a near win in Spokane (up 10 midway through the 2nd half), the Bulldogs were going to revert a bit, especially with the graduation of Brensdal, Kirk, Kuklok and Calhoun being abroad in the fall. They still brought back 2 of the best shooters in the SCIAC in Rudd and Peetz along with newcomers Bjekovic and the Milligan brothers. With Ducey up to his usual tricks, this team should be competitive especially as Calhoun gets back into game shape. Offense will not be an issue for this group as they are loaded with shooters and talent. Bjekovic seems to be taking on a larger roll as well as he is filling up the stat sheet averaging a near double double, and forcing the issue on offense by getting to the free throw line alot. I think they will continue to get better as they integrate their team and are able to find the right rotation of players.

ULV
This is a team I don't quite understand. They play hard and seem to enjoy playing for each other based on their bench reactions and came out of the gates roaring - they were the only SCIAC team to beat Pacific who beat CMS, PP, Oxy, and Caltech. The same team also has lost 8 of their last 10 games after starting 3-0. They have some talent but have 13 players averaging over 8 minutes - I think in theory this strategy of keeping players fresh and "next one up" mentality can be good and lift team morale, it becomes very difficult to get into a rhythm and develop specific roles for players. Once you get past 9-10 players then there are not defined rotations and roles for each player playing and sometime it can turn into a situation where players are playing for more minutes and to showcase their talent for more time. In any case the team plays so hard and they are led by a passionate coach who is very intense and demonstrative on the court. I think they will upset 1 or 2 teams at the  top of the league who take them lightly but I'm not sure they will get into that 4 seed this year.

Whittier
Every year this team has unreal talent and always gets great transfer kickbacks which is both a blessing and disguise. Rock has talent but often doesn't have alot of time to piece together the team and get them to play together. They bottled some of that in the 2011-12 team, but were in a STACKED league that year. This year it looks like they are having some growing pains out of the gate but are rounding into form especially with Landrum coming back from injury. They are always the most athletic team in conference, and recently will find a mismatch on offense and look to abuse it until the other coach makes a change. They keep things simple on both sides of the court and let their players play. If you can be patient on offense and handle their pressure you will score at a high rate. Defensively the challenge is always keeping their guard penetration contained and stopping transition. If you keep them in the half court they are far less effective, though with Landrum they do have a post to play through. Landrum, Demusis, and Barnes-Williams give them a very strong core to be competitive this year. Depending on how they mesh they could sneak into a 4 seed, but regardless will make things difficult for CMS and PP at the top as they always do with their athleticism and offensive firepower.

Oxy
This team has taken a turn for the worst since the new year, going 0-3, all being big double digit losses. While they started out hot and were scoring it seems that once SCIAC teams could scout them they have been somewhat neutralized. I'm not sure what offense Newhall has gone with, but if he is continuing with the dribble drive that he implemented last year then I can see how this is getting stalled. They don't have the "break-you-down" guards that make the dribble drive effective with other teams but let's see if they are able to find some ways to adjust this. Montoya continues to score like crazy but is struggling with efficiency (shooting under 40%), but the Tigers have received strong contributions from Rice, Johnson and Levy (though looks like he has been hurt the last 2 games). I think it will be another tough year for Oxy and they will struggle through the year, but if they catch fire in any game they have the talent to upset any team in conference. 

Caltech
I'll keep it brief with the most talked about winless SCIAC team. They are young but they play extremely hard. They are still 2 high level players away from being competitive on a nightly basis to win. Seems like they are in this year where now no team is sleeping on them after their near wins last year (CMS in OT, etc) and so they are coming out strong and then lighten up in the 2nd half where CIT is good enough to make games interesting at the end. They may get one this year, but teams are not taking them lightly.

I tried to keep this unbiased, but it obviously has some slants to it. I think the SCIAC is as strong as ever and has an opportunity this year to take down an NWC teams as they are a little down this year. Here's to a great rest of the year!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on January 14, 2014, 12:30:59 PM
Quote from: stag44 on January 14, 2014, 11:54:08 AM

I think its pretty interesting to note that the two schools with the most rigorous admissions standards and academics once enrolled still have the best 2 programs in the conference.


Just saying, Caltech's in the conference...I don't know how this statement can be made.  However, I do agree it is quite impressive that a schools with such rigorous academics can compete year in year out.

Quote from: stag44 on January 14, 2014, 11:54:08 AM

Oxy
This team has taken a turn for the worst since the new year, going 0-3, all being big double digit losses....Montoya continues to score like crazy but is struggling with efficiency (shooting under 40%)


In the last 3 games, Montoya has a total of 13 points on 3 of 21 shooting, probably where some of their problems are coming from -- the problem for Oxy is he is not scoring like crazy at the moment.

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciacguru on January 14, 2014, 09:55:30 PM
Quote from: WoostAr on January 14, 2014, 12:30:59 PM
However, I do agree it is quite impressive that a schools with such rigorous academics can compete year in year out.

???????????

I think it's just the opposite.  Besides the state schools....cough, cough....(WIAC).....I think you will find the high academic "destination" schools able to compete at a high level every year.  Normally these schools have a broader recruiting base, bigger endowments (financial aid), and greater sustainability.  Typically these schools produce the same type of players (cookie cutters) year in and year out.  Pomona and CMS are no different....and Chapman is heading in this direction.  Here are some just to name a few:

Amherst
Williams
Wash U.
Chicago
MIT
Rochester
Illinois Wes.

And yes, you will have schools come up and win, but will they sustain it??  It boils down to financial aid, and typically most, if not all, of the higher academic D3 schools competing with the IVYs, can meet need for their students.  And you will find that 3 of the lowest student graduating debt schools across the nation are right here in the SCIAC......Pomona, Claremont, CIT.

Here are a few links.
http://www.dailyfinance.com/photos/private-colleges-with-the-lowest-student-graduating-debt/#!slide=981583

http://www.kiplinger.com/tool/college/T014-S001-kiplinger-s-best-values-in-private-colleges/index.php?table=lib_arts&state_code[]=ALL&id[]=none&sortby=ug_class_avg_debt_d&sortorder=ASC

This in no way diminishes the coaching ability of the Head coaches of these institutions.  But you must take into consideration which schools have the best financial aid directors/policies as well. Especially at the D3 level.  Big difference in $40,000+ debt after graduation vs. less than $20.000.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Evolution on January 15, 2014, 01:07:41 PM
Interesting discussion about how rigorous academic schools can sustain winning programs.

I believe that sustaining a winning program depends on the flexibility that the coach has negotiated with the admissions department.  At some schools, Coaches are allowed to write letters to help "push a student" through admissions.  Some of those athletes might be in the lowest quartile, or even lower, of the admission criteria. The amount of weight the admissions department assigns to the Coach's letter will directly correlate to the sustainability of a winning program.

In recent years parents and players have had avenues in which to exchange academic information prior to admission in hopes of allowing each parent to better game the admission process. I believe that the information parents share is truthful, and I have no reason to not believe it was truthful.  I could personally name over ten star athletes in the above named "sustained" programs who had lower gpas and much lower test scores than their classmates, and I am referring to below even the lowest published quartile.

An athlete attending a rigorously academic school does not necessarily imply that the athlete is on par academically with his classmates.

One could argue that the admissions rate is a good indicator of academic rigor.  Perhaps at some schools this is the case.  But the admission's rate statistic is skewed in that some students don't even bother to apply to schools after they review the quartiles.  In other words, at very high academic schools, especially STEM schools, students do the first major round of rejection themselves. Very few potential applicants at Caltech would even begin the lengthy application process unless they had already attained a perfect math SAT score and a perfect math SAT subject score.

To push the envelope I maintain:
"Sustainability of a winning program is determined by the adopted protocol each admissions department employs for processing athletic applications."

Along similar lines on analysis, exactly how many basketball players on the CMS team are enrolled from the thousand or so students attending Harvey Mudd?  None this year, and only a handful in years past.  The team name Claremont Mudd Scripps is a misnomer.

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: madzillagd on January 15, 2014, 01:44:29 PM
Here's a link to a D3Hoops article on Arik Smith for CLU...
http://d3hoops.com/columns/around-the-region/midwest-west/2013-14/coming-home-to-cal-lutheran


On the topic of academics and sustaining a winning program, I really think it comes down to the Admissions office, the President of the university and of course the coaching staff.  My nephew happens to play for one of those schools listed and it's been quite the education going through the process of admissions and seeing how the teams are built by the various coaches.  Different coaches, different amount of clout with the admissions office and it goes in cycles in terms of who they can recruit and bring in.  Something far more common in the Northeast is the use of Post Graduate years before athletes start at a 4 year university as well. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on January 15, 2014, 06:23:02 PM
New video on Caltech Basketball's facebook page...kind of fun.

https://www.facebook.com/caltechbasketball

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hoops_lover on January 15, 2014, 07:18:57 PM
stag44, once again your awesome with your early season observation.  I really did not detect any bias...spoke from the heart.  Chapman plays La Verne tonight and I'm very interested to see if Bokosky and the staff has come up with something to take away the "easy" lay ups and box out better.  I repeat, Joyce, Nick Dragovich and Justin Young need to step up with their help side defense and the entire team needs to communicate screens/switches.  The loss at PP was quite frustrating, especially when Chapman could have pulled away except for the defensive issues which allows wide open shots and/or easy lay ups and lets teams back into the games.  James carried the team in the first half and Zavrsnick in the second half.  Hamasaki had an off-night with about three shots rimming in and out and he missed three free throws?!?!?  He did nail a jump shot as time was winding down, that tied the game in regulation. A regular game for him and Chapman wins.
Agree with stag44 comments abut La Verne.  I think if a team comes in thinking they're going to win, La Verne kicks their butt.  Energy and emotion will give you victories here and there but maybe not get you to the playoffs.  I think they and Whittier are similar.  CLU has Powdrill, the best athletic big man in the conference and along with Smith and an improved Quintana, I think they can knock off PP or CMC.  Redlands is the team that is most dangerous.  They are starting to figure it out and like CMC and PP, play solid bball.  I think 10-6 gets a team into the 4th slot of the playoffs.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: John Gleich on January 15, 2014, 10:40:22 PM
Quote from: sciacguru on January 14, 2014, 09:55:30 PM
Quote from: WoostAr on January 14, 2014, 12:30:59 PM
However, I do agree it is quite impressive that a schools with such rigorous academics can compete year in year out.

???????????

I think it's just the opposite.  Besides the state schools....cough, cough....(WIAC).....I think you will find the high academic "destination" schools able to compete at a high level every year.

Rag on the WIAC if you must, but they're far from the only public schools in d3. New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Texas, Minnesota,  even California all have public schools in the division.

For the record,  UWSP's team GPA after the first semester was 3.4. That's academic success no matter where it is.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on January 16, 2014, 01:01:37 AM
In Wednesday night SCIAC action, Chapman slipped by ULV in a back and forth contest, 65-64.

Stats and recap at:        www.chapmanathletics.com
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 16, 2014, 11:54:12 AM
Quote from: WoostAr on January 14, 2014, 12:30:59 PM
Quote from: stag44 on January 14, 2014, 11:54:08 AM
Oxy
Montoya continues to score like crazy but is struggling with efficiency (shooting under 40%)
In the last 3 games, Montoya has a total of 13 points on 3 of 21 shooting, probably where some of their problems are coming from -- the problem for Oxy is he is not scoring like crazy at the moment.

Last night Pomona beat Oxy 68-60. An 8-0 Pomona run midway through the second half was the difference. Andrew Johnson scored 18 and had 10 rebounds for Oxy. Kris Montoya scored 2 points (FTs) in 37 minutes. In the last 4 games Montoya has scored 15 points on 3-for-27 shooting. Not sure what's going on there. Four Sagehens in double figures for Pomona.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on January 16, 2014, 12:39:04 PM
Quote from: John Gleich on January 15, 2014, 10:40:22 PM

For the record,  UWSP's team GPA after the first semester was 3.4. That's academic success no matter where it is.


A 3.4 is nothing to scoff at, but that kind of gpa at a tech school (Claremont College, MIT, Caltech) is slightly more difficult to maintain.

Here's the difference, all of Caltech's players IN HIGH SCHOOL did research that most people would do in graduate school...just read their bio's http://gocaltech.com/sports/mbkb/2013-14/roster

Quote from: OxyBob on January 16, 2014, 11:54:12 AM
In the last 4 games Montoya has scored 15 points on 3-for-27 shooting. Not sure what's going on there. Four Sagehens in double figures for Pomona.

OxyBob

Do you think that conference opponents have his tendencies figured out?


Caltech had two twenty point scorers against Whittier last night with Emezie and Hogue...just not enough to get past Whittier, though the game was close at times...lost 86-72...Whittier had two players score 17 and two others score 16.

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 16, 2014, 12:51:08 PM
Quote from: WoostAr on January 16, 2014, 12:39:04 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 16, 2014, 11:54:12 AM
In the last 4 games Montoya has scored 15 points on 3-for-27 shooting. Not sure what's going on there.
Do you think that conference opponents have his tendencies figured out?

No.

Montoya has scored over 1,000 points and averaged double figures in four seasons with Oxy.

Hopefully for Oxy's sake he's just in a slump and will shake it soon.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Evolution on January 16, 2014, 03:53:08 PM
Caltech was scrappy the whole game and got to within 4 with a lay-up from freshman Lango with a little over ten minutes to go.

Whittier's athleticism forced Caltech into a 1-2-2 zone which was busted by the impressive shooting of sophomore guard Eric  Jennings who hit 5 of 8 threes.  Two of his threes were literally back to back -- within twenty seconds and proved to be back breakers for Caltech's second half surge towards the ever elusive (arguably) dream of a conference win.

Landrum and Irwin got into foul trouble early which allowed playing time to be spread.  Whittier is a pretty young team, too.   Good things in store for the Poets.

Only other thing worth mentioning is that Caltech held turnovers to 10, fewest this year.








Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 17, 2014, 12:52:47 AM
Quote from: John Gleich on January 15, 2014, 10:40:22 PM
Quote from: sciacguru on January 14, 2014, 09:55:30 PM
Quote from: WoostAr on January 14, 2014, 12:30:59 PM
However, I do agree it is quite impressive that a schools with such rigorous academics can compete year in year out.

???????????

I think it's just the opposite.  Besides the state schools....cough, cough....(WIAC).....I think you will find the high academic "destination" schools able to compete at a high level every year.

Rag on the WIAC if you must, but they're far from the only public schools in d3. New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Texas, Minnesota,  even California all have public schools in the division.

For the record,  UWSP's team GPA after the first semester was 3.4. That's academic success no matter where it is.

Virginia, Maryland, Massachusetts, Vermont, New Hampshire, Rhode Island, Maine, Connecticut as well ...
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: (509)Rat on January 17, 2014, 01:32:41 AM
Regardless of who's public or not, we all have to admit Caltech has us beat in terms of academic accomplishments amongst their student athletes.

Only a couple other schools in the country could argue that...certainly not us in the NWC or any of the public schools. Beat em on the court and let them win when it comes to research.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciacguru on January 17, 2014, 02:46:19 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 17, 2014, 12:52:47 AM
Quote from: John Gleich on January 15, 2014, 10:40:22 PM
Quote from: sciacguru on January 14, 2014, 09:55:30 PM
Quote from: WoostAr on January 14, 2014, 12:30:59 PM
However, I do agree it is quite impressive that a schools with such rigorous academics can compete year in year out.

???????????

I think it's just the opposite.  Besides the state schools....cough, cough....(WIAC).....I think you will find the high academic "destination" schools able to compete at a high level every year.

Rag on the WIAC if you must, but they're far from the only public schools in d3. New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Texas, Minnesota,  even California all have public schools in the division.

For the record,  UWSP's team GPA after the first semester was 3.4. That's academic success no matter where it is.

Virginia, Maryland, Massachusetts, Vermont, New Hampshire, Rhode Island, Maine, Connecticut as well ...

At no point did I infer that UWSP, or any WIAC school is poor academically.  I think that it is great that the Pointers are successful both on and off the court.  That is the epitome of Division III.  What I meant to infer is that particularly the WIAC schools, of all the state schools, have the foundation to be successful every year.  Sure, their admissions standards may be lower than that of the aforementioned  "high academic" schools, but so are the majority of private schools throughout D3.  What separates them is their foundation of cost, size, academic scholarships, and facilities that rival some D1 schools. 
I wont go into full research, but I'm pretty sure that there is a team from the WIAC that is a serious contender for a national title in each sport, every year.  And for the schools that can not satisfy all or some of the qualities for a strong foundation, their teams will be successful cyclically or not at all.

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 18, 2014, 09:09:30 PM
Quote from: sciacguru on January 17, 2014, 02:46:19 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 17, 2014, 12:52:47 AM
Quote from: John Gleich on January 15, 2014, 10:40:22 PM
Quote from: sciacguru on January 14, 2014, 09:55:30 PM
Quote from: WoostAr on January 14, 2014, 12:30:59 PM
However, I do agree it is quite impressive that a schools with such rigorous academics can compete year in year out.

???????????

I think it's just the opposite.  Besides the state schools....cough, cough....(WIAC).....I think you will find the high academic "destination" schools able to compete at a high level every year.

Rag on the WIAC if you must, but they're far from the only public schools in d3. New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Texas, Minnesota,  even California all have public schools in the division.

For the record,  UWSP's team GPA after the first semester was 3.4. That's academic success no matter where it is.

Virginia, Maryland, Massachusetts, Vermont, New Hampshire, Rhode Island, Maine, Connecticut as well ...

At no point did I infer that UWSP, or any WIAC school is poor academically.  I think that it is great that the Pointers are successful both on and off the court.  That is the epitome of Division III.  What I meant to infer is that particularly the WIAC schools, of all the state schools, have the foundation to be successful every year.

Actually, you meant to imply it, not infer it. The speaker or writer implies, and the listener or reader infers.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciacguru on January 19, 2014, 01:14:48 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 18, 2014, 09:09:30 PM

Actually, you meant to imply it, not infer it. The speaker or writer implies, and the listener or reader infers.

Well I guess I'm right and wrong. I like to listen and read what I say and write.

But that's why I only got into State schools!!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on January 19, 2014, 01:37:39 AM
In SCIAC action tonight, Oxy came back  from a 15 point deficit in the middle of the first half to lead 46-42 at the break and take a 99-94 OT win. Oxy moves to 7-8 and 3-4, while Chapman drops to 9-7 and 3-4.
Box and recap at:

www.chapmanathletics.com

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 19, 2014, 10:07:54 AM
Oxy broke a 4-game losing streak with a 99-94 OT nonconference win at Chapman. Kris Montoya ended his own 4-game slump with 24 points. Spencer Levy had 18, Kory Hamane scored 14, and Juwan Rice had 13 and 10 rebounds.

Oxy gets back to SCIAC play on Wednesday @ La Verne.

Saturday's conference scores:

Cal Lutheran 71, Redlands 69: Ricky Peetz's 3-ball gave UR the lead with 7 seconds left, but Arik Smith's 3-pointer at the buzzer won it for CLU.

CLU: Powdrill 25 and 10 rebs, Sulker-Hall 12, Quintana 10
UR: Peetz 20, Bjekovic 10 and 12 rebs, Calhoun 10, Radford 10

Claremont 75, Caltech 50: Easy win for Claremont.

CMS: Gaffaney 28, Harrington 12
CIT: Hogue 11

Whittier 82, La Verne 79: ULV's Kendall McClain missed a possible game-tying 3-pointer with 2 seconds left, and Whittier got a road win.

WC: Demusis 23, Jennings 14, Landrum 10 and 15 rebs, Barnes-William 10
ULV: See 26, Becker 10, Reyes 10

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 19, 2014, 11:38:56 AM
Quote from: sciacguru on January 19, 2014, 01:14:48 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 18, 2014, 09:09:30 PM

Actually, you meant to imply it, not infer it. The speaker or writer implies, and the listener or reader infers.

Well I guess I'm right and wrong. I like to listen and read what I say and write.

But that's why I only got into State schools!!

:D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bigcat on January 21, 2014, 12:55:30 AM
Hello all,
Long time Chapman fan, first time poster. I have made it out to a lot of Chapman games this year, most recently against La Verne, and would like to offer my opinion about the team so far and would love to see what you guys thought.

Strengths
The team's strength has to be their guard play. Hamasaki and Zavrsnick are one of, if not the most talented backcourts in the SCIAC. Both are athletic, can shoot, and are crafty around the basket. Both seem like good leaders and seem to have very good chemistry with each other. They definitely are a tough duo for any SCIAC team to handle. Their PG James is very solid as well, not much of a scorer but he runs the offense efficiently. They have some tough, gritty, big men in Joyce, Dragovich, and Justin Young, although they are a little undersized. However, all three have enough post game to score around the block and can provide a scoring punch if Hamasaki or Zavrsnick are having an off night.

Weaknesses
There are three main weaknesses I see with this team.
1. I hate to say it, but the guards on this team are SOFT. Like does Chapman not have a weight room??? They routinely get bullied by bigger, stronger, guards. These guys have to man up, take some pride in their defense and at least put up a fight.
2. Help side defense is horrendous, and it doesn't seem to be getting any better. The coaching staff either fails to make proper adjustments or just ignores the issue entirely.
3. Coaching. Not only X's and O's but just the coaching staffs ability to get the most out of their team seems to be lacking.
Ill start off by saying this, I am biased when it comes to Bokosky. He is an ass, who appears to be more concerned with his own ego than developing his players into better athletes and people. As a parent and a coach myself, I would never allow my son to play for him. There is a difference in being tough on a kid and just being a total a-hole. I became close with a parent of a former player, who told me about an incident in practice last year that caused me to lose all respect for the guy. I won't go into details on here, but I was appalled and disgusted to hear any person, much less a coach, who should be a role model and mentor for these young men, say some of the things I was told he said. 
Despite my bias when it comes to Bokosky, speaking as a basketball coach, player and fan, I believe he is doing a very sub-par job when it comes to this team. I know his all time record speaks for itself, but now that they aren't playing high school girls teams on a nightly basis, his true colors as a coach are starting to show.
This team is best in transition. They have been able to put up big numbers on offense because of their guards athleticism and ability to get out and run. Half court is a different story. That offense is perhaps the most robotic, mechanical offense I have ever seen. It's like the guys aren't even looking to score. It seems like they are just running through the motions to please the coach. When they do score, it usually comes from a baby hook from one of the bigs from the low block, or a backdoor cut. The offense is very predictable and easy to defend. You take away the back door cuts, take advantage of Chapman's lack of size by fronting the post and forcing them to try and throw a lob pass to an undersized big, and live with Hamasaki or Zavrsnick taking a tough shot at the end of the shot clock, which is what usually happens. 
Aside from the X's and O's, it appears this team has no identity, no heart, and no fight in them. Last year they were young...what's the excuse this year? To me, that's on the coach. These guys don't look like they are having any fun out there. As a coach, I believe it's important to coach in a way that makes a player to want to "play hard for their coach". It's apparent that Chapman is not one of those teams. Look at a team like La Verne, who is clearly a less talented team than Chapman. Coach Reed had those guys so fired up for that game, and you could feel their energy. Every damn player on that team was diving for loose balls, cheering after every basket, and letting the guys on the floor know the shot clock time. Chapman squeaked out a W, but if they played with half the energy and pride La Verne did it would have been a blowout. Anything less than that type of effort should be inexcusable.

Sorry for the rant, it's just frustrating to see such a talented team under perform like they have been doing.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 21, 2014, 07:24:43 AM
Quote from: Bigcat on January 21, 2014, 12:55:30 AM
Strengths
The team's strength has to be their guard play. 

Quote from: Bigcat on January 21, 2014, 12:55:30 AM
Weaknesses
I hate to say it, but the guards on this team are SOFT.

Make up your mind.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciacguru on January 21, 2014, 12:59:04 PM
Quote from: Bigcat on January 21, 2014, 12:55:30 AM
This team is best in transition. They have been able to put up big numbers on offense because of their guards athleticism and ability to get out and run. Half court is a different story. That offense is perhaps the most robotic, mechanical offense I have ever seen. It's like the guys aren't even looking to score. It seems like they are just running through the motions to please the coach. When they do score, it usually comes from a baby hook from one of the bigs from the low block, or a backdoor cut. The offense is very predictable and easy to defend. You take away the back door cuts, take advantage of Chapman's lack of size by fronting the post and forcing them to try and throw a lob pass to an undersized big, and live with Hamasaki or Zavrsnick taking a tough shot at the end of the shot clock, which is what usually happens.

I would think baby hooks from 5ft, and back door cuts would be wanted in an offense - worked for John Wooden.  Last time I looked, Chapman is shooting 49% from the field (2nd in SCIAC) and 42.4% from 3 pointers (1st in SCIAC).  And they arent playing against high school girls' teams any more.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bigcat on January 21, 2014, 01:14:06 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 21, 2014, 07:24:43 AM
Quote from: Bigcat on January 21, 2014, 12:55:30 AM
Strengths
The team's strength has to be their guard play. 

Quote from: Bigcat on January 21, 2014, 12:55:30 AM
Weaknesses
I hate to say it, but the guards on this team are SOFT.

Make up your mind.

OxyBob

Never said they weren't good players. If Hamasaki or Zavrsnick had some more muscle on them they would be playing in a better league than the SCIAC...
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bigcat on January 21, 2014, 01:30:21 PM
Quote from: sciacguru on January 21, 2014, 12:59:04 PM
Quote from: Bigcat on January 21, 2014, 12:55:30 AM
This team is best in transition. They have been able to put up big numbers on offense because of their guards athleticism and ability to get out and run. Half court is a different story. That offense is perhaps the most robotic, mechanical offense I have ever seen. It's like the guys aren't even looking to score. It seems like they are just running through the motions to please the coach. When they do score, it usually comes from a baby hook from one of the bigs from the low block, or a backdoor cut. The offense is very predictable and easy to defend. You take away the back door cuts, take advantage of Chapman's lack of size by fronting the post and forcing them to try and throw a lob pass to an undersized big, and live with Hamasaki or Zavrsnick taking a tough shot at the end of the shot clock, which is what usually happens.

I would think baby hooks from 5ft, and back door cuts would be wanted in an offense - worked for John Wooden.  Last time I looked, Chapman is shooting 49% from the field (2nd in SCIAC) and 42.4% from 3 pointers (1st in SCIAC).  And they arent playing against high school girls' teams any more.

I would argue much of that 49% shooting comes from easy buckets in transition, which is where they are at their best. I also don't see how being first in the SCIAC in 3pt shooting has anything to do with backdoor cuts or baby hooks. If anything, it shows me the coaching staff is not running it's half court offense to their team's strengths. Why try to force the ball in the post when your bigs are undersized and you're the best 3pt shooting team in the league? Let the guards play their game!!! Let the guards attack the rim to get 3pt looks for shooters and layups by a big man when help D comes. You would think a team that shoots it so well would be better than 3-4 in the conference.
And I know they aren't playing high school girls teams anymore, hence the reason they went 13-10 last year as opposed to 26-3.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: madzillagd on January 21, 2014, 01:35:07 PM
Bigcat's entrance onto the boards ===> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xljA6zJn4I
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Evolution on January 21, 2014, 07:02:40 PM
Madzilladg..that was hilarious.  ;)

Bigcat, I for one enjoy your comments.

And your observations.

I also noted the fabulous chemistry that LaVerne brings to the court.  That team appears to be having a great time playing ball together even though playing time has to be divided amongst many players.

Caltech was down by twenty with 20 seconds to go and a guard dove from the elbow to half court for a ball.  Most of the entire gym gave the player a standing ovation.

Something is going right when a team is shooting 49% ...just saying.  Shouldn't coaches be allowed mulligans every once in a while?   Much more difficult job than it appears.  Coaches observe players behind the scenes ten hours a week at practice, fans see them for 40 minutes at most.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: West Coast Bias on January 21, 2014, 07:23:10 PM
First off I would like to acknowledge that CMS plays fantastic defense. They play hard, solid team defense and really make it tough on opposing defenses. If you want to look at stats, I would say ranking #14 in the nation in Field Goal Percentage Defense is a much more impressive stat than their current ranking #2 in Points Per Game Allwowed. I was just pointing out that PPG is not always a function of good defense, but the pace at which a team plays...and CMS plays SLOW ...

Through 7 SCIAC games (6 for CMS and Whittier), Average Shots per game (Opponents Shot Attpempts Per Game + Team Shot Attempts per game)

PP - 126.5
Whittier - 126.2
Redlands - 124.5
Oxy - 118.1
Cal Tech - 115.3
Chapman - 112.3
Cal Lu - 111.3
ULV - 107.3
CMS - 98.9

They make 4 corners look like 40 minutes of hell!

- I think the academic argument is one of my favorite arguments in D3. The high academic schools like to whine about how difficult it is to find good players that can get into school. The schools with less competitive academic situations will often point to the advantage in resources the academic schools often have. My take is that it is just plain hard to recruit good players and win basketball games. If you are winning, then you are doing something right. Those other guys are trying too...

- How dare anyone call Stag44 unbaised! The Stag44 I knew would take offense to that comment. He is unabashedly proud of his Stag roots, president of the Scali fan club, and still sleeps in his maroon and gold underoos. I take offense to your attempts to be unbaised. We all know where you stand. I expect more of  you.

- How can WooStar possibly say Cal Tech is any tougher to get into than Pomona or Claremont? They have 10 FRESHMAN ON THEIR TEAM!!! So for you non Cal Tech math wizards out there, that means 6% of the males in their freshman class are basketball players. I would venture to say that is by far the highest percentage in the country. They are a basketball factory!

- If (Fill in the blank SCIAC player) had (Fill in the blank missing skill) they would be playing in a better league than the SCIAC...But they don't. Hence they are in the SCIAC...
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Evolution on January 21, 2014, 09:32:39 PM
Yes, indeed Coach Eslinger had a great recruiting year. And the statistics could be represented with even more awe.  :o

There are 162 "MALE" freshman at Caltech, and 10 of them are on the basketball team, all with SAT scores of 2300 and north.  LOL -- one of six males in the Caltech freshman class has a basketball jersey. (Unfortunately no seniors have a jersey, only one junior, and three sophomores).

Coach did a pretty thorough search of the universe to find candidates who meet the three criteria--scoring in the upper 99.9%, experience in science research and able to bounce a basketball. (To be totally candid, only two of the players had the time to play AAU ball.)

A much more interesting stat is that five players opted for Caltech over MIT, a team which during at least part of the application cycle was ranked number one, coming off the heels of a successful bid to the Final Four the previous year.

It certainly isn't Coach's fault this freshman team is shooting a dismal 27% from three, and aghast, 60% from the line. If Caltech is going to win another game the players will need to find a way to improve their shooting.

We can hope Coach Eslinger finds a player this year who can meet a 4th criteria -- one who can hit a three point shot with consistency!

The simple fact that the other coaches in the SCIAC are spending time scouting Caltech shows that there has been a turn in the dial, ever so slight, but a turn never-the-less.

On a more realistic note, Gaffney had 28 against Caltech.  He could have had 68 if he wanted.   He scored at will.  Truly a joy to watch such a talented player.

Hoping the Caltech boys can develop a physics program tonight which demonstrates a method to magically shoot threes against the colossal Pomona zone tomorrow night.








Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bigcat on January 22, 2014, 12:09:10 AM

Something is going right when a team is shooting 49% ...just saying.  Shouldn't coaches be allowed mulligans every once in a while?   Much more difficult job than it appears.  Coaches observe players behind the scenes ten hours a week at practice, fans see them for 40 minutes at most.
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Of course, all coaches make mistakes.
However, I just think something's gotta give when you have 2 of the top 5 leading scorers in the conference (Hamasaki is 1st overall), are the best 3 point shooting team in the conference, shoot 51% from the field (updated stats, also best in the conference), are the 2nd highest scoring team in the conference, and are still in the bottom half of your conference standings. The defense isn't horrible either. Definitely could be better (last in the conference in FG%) but they are still in the middle of the pack when it comes to PPG.  Chapman is the only team in the conference that is scoring more than they are giving up and has a losing record.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hoops_lover on January 22, 2014, 04:29:30 AM
Bigcat, welcome to the board and especially welcome your thoughts and opinions.  I loved your take on Chapman.  I agree with much of it: Hamasaki and Zavrsnick are a very talented set of guards and gotta give some credit to James (and Bokosky) to allow Hamasaki to move to a shooting guard.  They have their faults: James and Zavrsnick make errors at the most critical times and Hamasaki sometimes is not aggressive enough.  Bigcat, you are right, let the guards play especially James and Hamasaki because they will look to set up their teammates.  Zavrsnick and Jordan Young are not the best at creating their own shot, but as catch and shoot, they are deadly.  The Chapman offense, sticking a low post where a guard can drive to the bucket is taking away what the guards do best PENETRATE.  you have 35 seconds to shoot the ball and the driving lane is blocked by a Chapman post player most of the time.  If the post player doesn't get it, then he should move opposite/away maybe to the short corner or to the free throw line. 
I also agree the plays are robotic, but so are some other teams plays.  The problem with Chapman is the guys DO NOT know how to set a pick and the guys DO NOT know how to rub their man off of it.  THIS IS THE STAFF'S fault for not emphasizing this.  I think this team sets half-ass screens and cuts half-ass too.
Like Bigcat said and I've said in the past posts, their weakside/help defense is not good, although in the Oxy game, the guards took three charges.  Where are the bigs to protect the basket.  Maybe Chapman should try a zone...2-3 works for Syracuse or think about switching or maybe talking more???
Coaching.....I think what Bigcat meant by "high school girls teams" (could've used a better term) was hat Chapman now has to play 16 SCIAC games and find other teams to fill out the schedule.  Prior to joining the SCIAC it was reversed.  Bokosky now has to coach against SCIAC teams/coaches (8-8 last year) and lost his top assistant Wheatley when school started.  Is he up against it???  No adjustments were made against Oxy's press until the lead was cut down from 15 to 5 points.  If the coaches bother to look at tape or watch the pair of games Oxy played at chapman in December, they would have seen that you go right up the middle on Oxy and press is neutralized.
If Chapman could play with the energy that La Verne plays with, this team could be D# ranked and would give CMC, PP and Cal Lu a run for their money.  Again I agree that this is the coaching staff's fault for allowing this.  Last year's team had some issues and that was the staff's fault.  Is it happening again??
Tonight they play at Cal Lu. A loss here and Chapman is going to have to play near perfect basketball to qualify for the 4th spot. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 22, 2014, 12:12:11 PM
Quote from: Bigcat on January 21, 2014, 01:14:06 PM
If Hamasaki or Zavrsnick had some more muscle on them they would be playing in a better league than the SCIAC

Quote from: West Coast Bias on January 21, 2014, 07:23:10 PM
If (Fill in the blank SCIAC player) had (Fill in the blank missing skill) they would be playing in a better league than the SCIAC...But they don't. Hence they are in the SCIAC...

They must give a course in counterfactual reasoning at Chapman.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bigcat on January 22, 2014, 03:24:41 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 22, 2014, 12:12:11 PM
Quote from: Bigcat on January 21, 2014, 01:14:06 PM
If Hamasaki or Zavrsnick had some more muscle on them they would be playing in a better league than the SCIAC

Quote from: West Coast Bias on January 21, 2014, 07:23:10 PM
If (Fill in the blank SCIAC player) had (Fill in the blank missing skill) they would be playing in a better league than the SCIAC...But they don't. Hence they are in the SCIAC...

They must give a course in counterfactual reasoning at Chapman.

OxyBob


My point was that the two guys are very talented, however, could probably use some extra time in the weight room.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bigcat on January 22, 2014, 03:39:32 PM
Quote from: Hoops_lover on January 22, 2014, 04:29:30 AM

Like Bigcat said and I've said in the past posts, their weakside/help defense is not good, although in the Oxy game, the guards took three charges.  Where are the bigs to protect the basket.  Maybe Chapman should try a zone...2-3 works for Syracuse or think about switching or maybe talking more???


If you or anyone is going to be at the Cal Lu game tonight, I would love to get your take on it.
I think a 2-3 could work in some situations. The guards are quick enough to defend the perimeter, however, I don't think they could do it with a lineup that has Zavrsnick, Hamasaki, and James in it simply because of the size they would be giving up. I think it would definitely be worth a shot when a bigger guy like Jordan Young comes in off the bench.

I am a huge Coach K fan, and I think the makeup of this Chapman is similar to that of Duke this year (No OxyBob, I am not implying that Chapman is in any way, shape, or form on the same level as Duke). However, both these teams lack a true scoring big and are a little undersized, and rely on the athleticism and shooting ability of their guards to score. Duke brings their bigs all the way out to the perimeter and  then sets a high ball screen that allows Quinn Cook to attack the basket, and then surrounds him with shooters like Sulimon, Jabari Parker, and Rodney Hood, who can also attack of the catch. This causes opposing teams guards to play off the ball more to stop dribble penetration. That kind of spacing either frees up the paint or leaves shooters open. This makes them a nightmare to guard on offense. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 22, 2014, 04:01:25 PM
Quote from: Bigcat on January 22, 2014, 03:39:32 PM
I think the makeup of this Chapman is similar to that of Duke this year 

I believe that is the first time in recorded human history that Chapman basketball and Duke basketball have been mentioned in the same sentence, although Jabari Parker could use some extra time in the weight room before he declares for the NBA draft.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bigcat on January 22, 2014, 10:38:00 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 22, 2014, 04:01:25 PM
Quote from: Bigcat on January 22, 2014, 03:39:32 PM
I think the makeup of this Chapman is similar to that of Duke this year 

I believe that is the first time in recorded human history that Chapman basketball and Duke basketball have been mentioned in the same sentence, although Jabari Parker could use some extra time in the weight room before he declares for the NBA draft.

OxyBob

OxyBob do you ever make insightful comments on this board, or are you just on here to be a smartass?
 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on January 23, 2014, 12:54:50 AM
SCIAC action tonight at Cal Lu had Chapman overcoming an 11 point halftime CLU lead to pull out an 86-82 OT victory.
Other action saw ULV take Oxy 61-58
Whittier over Redlands 86-75
PP over Caltech 84-63

Looks like 6 teams vying for the final 2 playoff spots.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 23, 2014, 08:29:57 AM
Eyewitness report from La Verne:

La Verne 61, Oxy 58

Oxy let a road win get away. The Tigers led 51-37 with less than 8 minutes left, and led 58-52 with 2:25 to go, but the Leopards outscored Oxy 9-0 to end the game. A win would have given Oxy a 2-game sweep and the tiebreaker with ULV.

For Oxy, Kris Montoya and Ty Cobb each scored 13, and Juwan Rice and Spencer Levy each had 11. For La Verne, Ronn See scored 15, Weston Newell had 13, and Khaneal Mason scored 10.

Oxy is idle this Saturday, and has a must-win home game against CLU on Jan. 29.

Quote from: Bigcat on January 22, 2014, 10:38:00 PM
OxyBob do you ever make insightful comments on this board, or are you just on here to be a smartass? 

Funny coming from a guy who bags on the Chapman coach and calls him names, bags on the Chapman players, and says that the team has no heart and pride. How insightful.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 23, 2014, 10:41:36 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 23, 2014, 08:29:57 AM
Eyewitness report from La Verne:

La Verne 61, Oxy 58

Oxy let a road win get away. The Tigers led 51-37 with less than 8 minutes left, and led 58-52 with 2:25 to go, but the Leopards outscored Oxy 9-0 to end the game. A win would have given Oxy a 2-game sweep and the tiebreaker with ULV.

For Oxy, Kris Montoya and Ty Cobb each scored 13, and Juwan Rice and Spencer Levy each had 11. For La Verne, Ronn See scored 15, Weston Newell had 13, and Khaneal Mason scored 10.

Oxy is idle this Saturday, and has a must-win home game against CLU on Jan. 29.

Quote from: Bigcat on January 22, 2014, 10:38:00 PM
OxyBob do you ever make insightful comments on this board, or are you just on here to be a smartass? 

Funny coming from a guy who bags on the Chapman coach and calls him names, bags on the Chapman players, and says that the team has no heart and pride. How insightful.

OxyBob

Funny but not so off the mark of late ...
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 23, 2014, 11:19:19 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 23, 2014, 10:41:36 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 23, 2014, 08:29:57 AM
Quote from: Bigcat on January 22, 2014, 10:38:00 PM
OxyBob do you ever make insightful comments on this board, or are you just on here to be a smartass? 
Funny coming from a guy who bags on the Chapman coach and calls him names, bags on the Chapman players, and says that the team has no heart and pride. How insightful.
Funny but not so off the mark of late ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nl4SRVXgGiI

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on January 23, 2014, 11:53:59 AM
OK...gotta give you some love for that one. Plus K for you!!!!!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hoops_lover on January 23, 2014, 02:06:51 PM
OxyBob, I now understand why you do not acknowledge Chapman into SCIAC  :D.  I don't have a problem with it and don't you agree that we are better people when we understand each other?  Loved the YouTube link....Sammy Davis Jr. one of the greatest entertainers EVER!
Saw most of the game last night, there were at lot of fouls called; 32 on Chapman and 22 on Cal Lu.  Give some credit to Powdrill for attacking the bucket BUT the refs were anticipating fouls when the Chapman players definitely established verticality.  Contact is going to be made, but if there's no advantage/disadvantage a no call is the best call.
To be succinct, Cal Lu could have blown Chapman out of the gym in the first half, but they did not shoot well from the floor and Hamasaki was in foul trouble.  Guts to Bokosky (and smarts to Hamasaki for playing aggressive but not committing another foul) to put him back in the game which seemed to energize the team.  The second half play of James, Zavrsnick, Joyce, Justin Young and the Dragovich brothers, especially the younger bro Davis, chopped a 12 point Cal Lu lead down to 1 with about 4 1/2 minutes to go and that's when Hamasaki took over.  He scored 16 on jumpers and acrobatic lay-ups and a bunch of free throws.  More importantly, He fouled Cal Lu's Arik Smith out the game in overtime which left Powdrill as the only consistent scoring threat.  BTW: Nick Dragovich along with help side defense in the 2nd half limited Powdrill to one bucket.  In the other two OT losses, Chapman could not make free throws to seal the win....this time they did.  They almost gave it away when Zavrsnick, inbounding the ball on the Cal Lu side of the court and up two points, threw it away and Chapman had TWO TIMEOUTS left. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: elfinley on January 23, 2014, 03:51:07 PM
Being that many of you that are not in practices everyday with any of these teams you may be being unfair?

Big Cat calling Bokosky an ass? What coach in the SCIAC does not intense with his players. You compared Chapman to Duke? You do know that your beloved coach K drops as many F bombs as any other coach in America. Does that make him and many other college coaches an ass as well?

As for the guards, they are just undersized, that's all. Granted they are smaller than most guards in the SCIAC, but that is not a reflection and their time spent in the weight room. James and Zavrsnick look like they have spent some time in the weight room, SCIAC is just bigger.

Now, CU has their share of issues just like every other team in the SCIAC, but Big Cat for you to say the things you say make you sounds like your'e pissed because your son could not make their team. Too be undersized, inconsistent post play, and defensive help side problems, along with injuries they had to deal with(Both Youngs, Atwater, a promising freshman post Fidelibus, and the daily beatings those undersized guards take), considering they are 4-4 in the race for a postseason spot after a overtime win at Cal LU(Their 3rd overtime game in a week and a half), those players and Bokosky are doing alright.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 23, 2014, 04:05:47 PM
Quote from: Hoops_lover on January 23, 2014, 02:06:51 PM
one of the greatest entertainers EVER!

Thank you. Nice to know I am appreciated by someone around here.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on January 23, 2014, 05:12:25 PM
Quote from: Bigcat on January 22, 2014, 10:38:00 PM
OxyBob do you ever make insightful comments on this board, or are you just on here to be a smartass?

YES :)

FYI;  He is a great color man when he has had a chance on SCIAC broadcasts.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: West Coast Bias on January 23, 2014, 07:45:40 PM
Easy on my man OxyBob... He was keeping the old SCIAC board going practically by himself for awhile (with Gray Fox and WooStar of course).

Coach Bokosky's record in 21 years at Chapman is 380-170.

Hey Bigcat, what's your record as a college basketball coach?

Well said elfinley! Who would have ever thought that there was a Chapman blowhard out there that would make dahlby look like a perfect gentleman??  ;D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bigcat on January 23, 2014, 08:26:52 PM

Funny coming from a guy who bags on the Chapman coach and calls him names, bags on the Chapman players, and says that the team has no heart and pride. How insightful.

OxyBob
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...at least I acknowledge they are in the SCIAC. And am I not allowed to express my opinion about the coaching staff? I also said a lot of good things about the Chapman players. In my opinion they are a top 3 team in the SCIAC in terms of pure talent. It is also my opinion that this team has trouble playing hard. I did watch a little of the game online last night, and I must say from what I saw effort was much better.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bigcat on January 23, 2014, 08:58:17 PM
Quote from: elfinley on January 23, 2014, 03:51:07 PM
Being that many of you that are not in practices everyday with any of these teams you may be being unfair?

Big Cat calling Bokosky an ass? What coach in the SCIAC does not intense with his players. You compared Chapman to Duke? You do know that your beloved coach K drops as many F bombs as any other coach in America. Does that make him and many other college coaches an ass as well?

As for the guards, they are just undersized, that's all. Granted they are smaller than most guards in the SCIAC, but that is not a reflection and their time spent in the weight room. James and Zavrsnick look like they have spent some time in the weight room, SCIAC is just bigger.

Now, CU has their share of issues just like every other team in the SCIAC, but Big Cat for you to say the things you say make you sounds like your'e pissed because your son could not make their team. Too be undersized, inconsistent post play, and defensive help side problems, along with injuries they had to deal with(Both Youngs, Atwater, a promising freshman post Fidelibus, and the daily beatings those undersized guards take), considering they are 4-4 in the race for a postseason spot after a overtime win at Cal LU(Their 3rd overtime game in a week and a half), those players and Bokosky are doing alright.

My son is 3 and a half years old, and weather or not he ever becomes good enough to play Division 3 basketball has no impact on my personal opinions about this coach or program, so you can go ahead and throw that one out the door.
You are correct though, I have never seen a practice first hand. The information I get about Bokosky comes from an outside source who's son did play for him. And granted, my source isn't the biggest Bokosky fan himself, however, I have no reason to believe he would lie to me. As I said in my first post, I have no problem with a coach yelling at a kid or being tough on him. Cursing is fine in my opinion as well. However, I firmly believe there is a fine line between being tough on a kid, and just being disrespectful as a person. I am not going to go into details about what I heard has happened in practices before; it's just not fair to the kid. However, attacks on players struggles at home, using homophobic slurs, and taking shots at their families and personal lives cross a line. Yell at a kid all you want, but for goodness sake don't bring his life off the court into it. The CU baseball coach got fired last year for less.

Just to set things straight I am a Chapman fan, just not a Bokosky fan. My opinions on the coach do not in any way reflect my opinions on the players and the way they play, or the University in general. I have said before I am biased towards Bokosky, however, any criticism I have directed towards the players or the way they play basketball comes solely from my observations as a basketball fan and coach.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bigcat on January 23, 2014, 09:02:34 PM
Quote from: West Coast Bias on January 23, 2014, 07:45:40 PM
Easy on my man OxyBob... He was keeping the old SCIAC board going practically by himself for awhile (with Gray Fox and WooStar of course).

Coach Bokosky's record in 21 years at Chapman is 380-170.

Hey Bigcat, what's your record as a college basketball coach?

Well said elfinley! Who would have ever thought that there was a Chapman blowhard out there that would make dahlby look like a perfect gentleman??  ;D

My record is 0-0, what's yours?
And don't forget before joining the SCIAC Chapman routinely had one of the softest schedules in Division 3.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: elfinley on January 24, 2014, 10:10:52 AM
Big Cat,
It's good to see another Chapman supporter here, and if you are not a Bokosky fan, that's cool too. But for you to come ONLINE and make the accusations you did about Bokosky, have no proof of it other than that you heard this from a "outside source" who's kid played at Chapman (Who you said does not like Bokosky), but you come on here anyway because "I have no reason to believe he would lie to me" is weak. I'm willing to bet this kid that "played" for Chapman probably never played at all and has an ax to grind because of it.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hoops_lover on January 24, 2014, 05:01:54 PM
Sorry Bigcat, but have to agree with elfinley regarding Coach Bokosky.  Rarely there are parents who can take emotion out of the equation when it has to do with their children.  When I first read your comment about Bokosky/a**** and where it came from, I don't doubt the validity from your friend, however, how much emotion was in it???  I've coached boys and girls for many years and it's amazing what comes out of people's mouths, even if you know them fairly well.  A few weeks ago, I overheard someone saying PP Coach Kat was terrible.  I asked if their son was on the team and they said yes BUT he doesn't play much.  Parents (and players) should appreciate that their kid gets four more years to play at a higher level with better coaches.  Side note: I heard the baseball coach was fired because A PARENT reported him. 
My comments regarding Chapman basketball is based upon what I see in front of me and thinking with my coach pants on.  I've been following this program for the last few years, especially when I heard they were going into the SCIAC.  Bokosky does a good job with the team and YES injuries to the Young's and Atwater as elfinley stated earlier has hurt this team.  I believe Justin Young was starting until he hurt his foot and missed a couple of games.  If you saw the latter part of the Cal Lu game, Hamasaki was able to drive and score when the post cleared out or didn't flash to the block.  He's so unselfish that if the bigs just moved into positions with the opportunity to score, he'll likely pass them the ball.  James has the same mindset.
It's great reading the posts of elfinley, Bigcat, OxyBob, dahlby, stag44 and others talk about SCIAC basketball.  Makes the games even more interesting.
Chapman plays at Cal Tech Saturday.  Should be a win BUT: 1. Cal Tech knows the Chapman offense because they call out the plays and adjust.  2. There's the pressure of knowing that YOUR TEAM does not want to be the one to lose to Cal Tech. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bigcat on January 24, 2014, 06:55:14 PM
Quote from: elfinley on January 24, 2014, 10:10:52 AM
Big Cat,
It's good to see another Chapman supporter here, and if you are not a Bokosky fan, that's cool too. But for you to come ONLINE and make the accusations you did about Bokosky, have no proof of it other than that you heard this from a "outside source" who's kid played at Chapman (Who you said does not like Bokosky), but you come on here anyway because "I have no reason to believe he would lie to me" is weak. I'm willing to bet this kid that "played" for Chapman probably never played at all and has an ax to grind because of it.

Kid was a two year starter...just saying.
But you are right that I have no hard evidence to support my claims, which may discredit me in the eyes of some. I am simply choosing to believe someone who I deem as credible and trustworthy.You don't have to believe me, and everyone is entitled to their own opinions.
And yes as hoopslover said, I am sure some emotion was involved, but for him to just pull something like this out of his ass, to me, seems unlikely. If you or anyone has any information either supporting or refuting my claims I  would love to hear it.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bigcat on January 24, 2014, 11:41:54 PM
Quote from: Hoops_lover on January 24, 2014, 05:01:54 PM
injuries to the Young's and Atwater as elfinley stated earlier has hurt this team.  I believe Justin Young was starting until he hurt his foot and missed a couple of games. 

Chapman plays at Cal Tech Saturday.  Should be a win BUT: 1. Cal Tech knows the Chapman offense because they call out the plays and adjust.  2. There's the pressure of knowing that YOUR TEAM does not want to be the one to lose to Cal Tech.

1. When was Young injured? Any word on when Atwater will return? I never remember him (who played at Arizona State!?) being in the rotation too much anyways. Chapman has been basically kept a 6 man rotation, with 2 or three other guys getting spot minutes here and there. Most recently it has been Davis Dragovich playing the most minutes outside their top 6. What happened to Jordan Young? He was a starter as a freshman and now he can't seem to get off the bench for more than 5-6 minutes a game. Always liked the way he could stretch the floor.

2. This could be a trap game for Chapman. On the road against a team that really plays with a lot of energy and effort.  Chapman has struggled against teams like that, but I think they will pull this one out. I think they will start out slow, but then pull out a 10-15 point win.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hoops_lover on January 25, 2014, 01:37:02 PM
I believe Justin Young got hurt before he UCI scrimmage exhibition because he did not play against them.  The past few games, he's looking like how he played at the end of last season.  Fidelibus was hurt for a while with a foot problem and Atwater the same.  Hopefully Atwater will play some today.  Jordan Young is a very good shooter, but does not handle the ball well.  I feel the lack of playing time has affected his confidence, thus affected his overall game.
I know I've been critical of the coaching staff, but this team hasn't been healthy which has hampered their collective growth.  Agree with Bigcat that today's game could be a trap game, but I think Bokosky won't allow them to look ahead to the CMC game this coming Weds.   
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bigcat on January 25, 2014, 04:04:45 PM
Quote from: Hoops_lover on January 25, 2014, 01:37:02 PM
I believe Justin Young got hurt before he UCI scrimmage exhibition because he did not play against them.  The past few games, he's looking like how he played at the end of last season.  Fidelibus was hurt for a while with a foot problem and Atwater the same.  Hopefully Atwater will play some today.  Jordan Young is a very good shooter, but does not handle the ball well.  I feel the lack of playing time has affected his confidence, thus affected his overall game.
I know I've been critical of the coaching staff, but this team hasn't been healthy which has hampered their collective growth.  Agree with Bigcat that today's game could be a trap game, but I think Bokosky won't allow them to look ahead to the CMC game this coming Weds.

Thanks for the info. Chapman's situation off the bench has been interesting this year. I like Atwater's game. He is a good athlete who definitely isn't afraid out there and brings some toughness and scoring to the table. I think the reason he doesn't play more is because he makes too many careless mistakes and has too many defensive miscues.
Fidelibus has shown signs, but he doesn't have much of an offensive game yet and gives up a lot of size in the post at 6'3.  I think he will develop into a solid player over the next few years however.
As for the guards, Jordan Young has the most experience and is capable if scoring 15-20 points if he's hot from 3. He has a lightning quick release and elevates very well on his shot.  Seems like he's in Bokosky's doghouse right now though. You're right that he does not handle the ball well and usually requires teamates to set him up for shots.
Davis Dragovich has been playing well as of late. He still looks a little lost out there but I think he will become a solid player with more experience. He has good size for a guard and can handle the ball if needed. Kubly is a very smart player who I think is just stuck behind a group of very talented guards. I feel for Brendon Rider. Before James came he was set to be right in the mix. He played well last year, and it must be tough seeing reduced playing time.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Evolution on January 26, 2014, 02:21:24 PM
Chapman put together ten awesome minutes to bury Caltech last night.

Caltech had a great game going for almost three quarters.  The Beavers were within  3 points with 12 minutes to go.  Tech was playing the best ball they had all season. Bokosky was engaged enough to get a technical.

Bokosky took a timeout and hit the "reset" button.  The next ten minutes Chapman absolutely dominated in every aspect of the game.  Caltech's defense folded, getting outscored 30 to 10 (nearly half those points coming from Hamasaki). Caltech committed nine turnovers during the same ten minute span, had only four rebounds, and missed opportunities at the charity line.

I may be the Lone Ranger, but I continue to be optimistic about Caltech.  They have increased the time they are competitive in nearly every game.  Earlier in the season they were competitive for about a half.  Now they seem to compete for nearly 30 minutes, all the while allotting 75% of their playing time to freshman.  Hopefully they can learn to play 40 minutes of ball and take an interest in defense.  Maybe by the end of the season they will learn that the only statistic important in winning games is not a player's personal box score, but instead, how ugly you can make your opponent's box score appear.  Scali can teach everyone a lesson in that aspect of the game. Probably the main reason he has a case full of trophies.  Defense.

Chapman has some real talent and potentially could give both Claremont and Pomona real trouble down the stretch.  Both games are at home.  And if Chapman buckles down defensively, they have the talent to give both  Gafney and McAndrews a run for their money.

Bigcat, appreciate you sharing your "inside" comments about Bokosky.  But, I have learned to not believe everything I hear regarding coaches and practices.  Rarely will players and their parents own their side of the street.  Not saying that what you are hearing isn't true, just saying there might be another version of the same incident. I don't know too many athletic directors who would risk their own jobs by turning their heads to serious allegations.  The onset of electronic devices adds a whole new degree of scrutiny that didn't exist when I played ball.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bigcat on January 26, 2014, 05:57:26 PM
Quote from: Evolution on January 26, 2014, 02:21:24 PM

Bigcat, appreciate you sharing your "inside" comments about Bokosky.  But, I have learned to not believe everything I hear regarding coaches and practices.  Rarely will players and their parents own their side of the street.  Not saying that what you are hearing isn't true, just saying there might be another version of the same incident. I don't know too many athletic directors who would risk their own jobs by turning their heads to serious allegations.  The onset of electronic devices adds a whole new degree of scrutiny that didn't exist when I played ball.
Fair point. The CU baseball coach was fired last year because a parent complained about some of the things that were happening during practice. If it weren't for someone outside the school reporting it, he would probably still be coaching. That whole thing wasn't the AD's fault, and I'm sure if the AD had knowledge of any allegations and believed things were serious enough he would handle the issue appropriately. Unfortunately, a lot of things like this do slip through the cracks at many schools so it is tough to tell what's true and what isn't.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on January 27, 2014, 04:36:12 PM
Quote from: Evolution on January 26, 2014, 02:21:24 PM
Chapman put together ten awesome minutes to bury Caltech last night.

Caltech had a great game going for almost three quarters. 

They're up to 3/4 of a game from half a game...progress!!  Caltech seems to be executing their sets and getting the ball inside to their post players which should be the strength of this team's offense.  Improvement, just not enough to get a victory.

Quote from: Evolution on January 26, 2014, 02:21:24 PM

I may be the Lone Ranger, but I continue to be optimistic about Caltech.  They have increased the time they are competitive in nearly every game.  Earlier in the season they were competitive for about a half.  Now they seem to compete for nearly 30 minutes, all the while allotting 75% of their playing time to freshman.  Hopefully they can learn to play 40 minutes of ball and take an interest in defense.  Maybe by the end of the season they will learn that the only statistic important in winning games is not a player's personal box score, but instead, how ugly you can make your opponent's box score appear.  Scali can teach everyone a lesson in that aspect of the game. Probably the main reason he has a case full of trophies.  Defense.


Caltech has the ability to play passable defense, they just get demoralized by the large deficits....if they're scoring, they're exerting effort while playing defense...if they aren't, well....they aren't.  They need to learn to uncouple the two...they need to bring the defensive intensity at all times. 

Chapman looked good, but I think the team will be rather inconsistent down the stretch...their two guards account for most of their scoring from the perimeter...I don't think that type of game will get them past CMS of PP.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on January 27, 2014, 06:02:43 PM
Pretty neat moment from the Caltech Chapman game

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2bFO25Xd-U

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hoops_lover on January 27, 2014, 06:26:21 PM
Saw most of the Chapman/Cal Tech game.  Darn impressed with Cal Tech and how they hung around for much of the game.  The FRESHMAN guard Lango, did not play like a freshman.  I was impressed with Lee, the 6' 6 FRESHMAN who played with poise and Al-Reyes, a FRESHMAN, who needs some muscle and some work, but he played fairly well.  Emezie is a good player but needs to play a little more relaxed meaning's too anxious to create a score or a play at times.  I will now follow CIT more closely because they're going to win a conference game this season....maybe two.
Very surprised that Bokosky got a technical.  He had to have been pretty pissed to get "teed" up, but who can blame him.  His guards were getting fouled as they drove to the hoop, much much harder than Powdrill was getting fouled at Cal Lu last Weds vs. Chapman.  I think after Hamasaki got nailed on his second lay-up, Bokosky got the "T".
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 28, 2014, 01:40:21 PM
Huge game for Oxy (7-9, 3-5 SCIAC) tomorrow night at home against CLU. Oxy's road loss last Wednesday to La Verne -- a game in which the Tigers led by 14 with 8 minutes to go -- was costly because a win would have given Oxy a 2-0 season sweep and the tiebreaker against ULV, which beat Cal Lutheran on Jan. 2. Oxy already has losses to both CLU (14-4, 5-4) and Whittier (10-7, 4-4), so the Tigers can't afford to lose to the Kingsmen again and still hope to make the conference tournament.

Oxy's leading scorer Kris Montoya (16.7 ppg) went through a 4-game slump in which he only scored 15 total points, but in the last two games against Chapman and La Verne he scored 24 and 13. Nice surprise for Oxy has been the play of freshman Andrew Johnson, who is averaging 11.3 ppg and is leading the team with 7.2 rebounds per game.

With Claremont (12-4, 7-0) and Pomona (13-5, 8-1) comfortably ahead of everyone else, Cal Lutheran can solidify its third place status with a win over Oxy. The Tigers are going to have to do a much better job of guarding CLU's Arik Smith, the junior transfer from UW-River Falls. In the Jan. 4 game, Smith scored 20 with no sweat against a very porous Oxy defense. Moorpark College transfer Coltrane Powdrill has been a force for CLU, leading the team in both points (18.1 ppg) and rebounds (6.9 per game).

OxyBob

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on January 28, 2014, 06:42:05 PM
BTW:
Those of you who think Chapman is part of the SCIAC should go to the women's board.
Chapman is listed separately.  ;D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 28, 2014, 08:05:41 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on January 28, 2014, 06:42:05 PM
Chapman is listed separately.

http://www.johnspeedie.com/healy/laughs.wav

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hoops_lover on January 29, 2014, 04:01:33 AM
A similarly huge game for Chapman tonight vs. CMC.  Will Chapman have made the adjustments to counter CMC screening?  Will they be able to stand up against the physicality of CMC?  Will Hamasaki get into the paint and do some damage?  Will the Chapman bigs be able help stop the penetration of the CMC guards and will they BOX OUT and out rebound CMC?  If they do all four of these, Panthers win by 6-10 points; 3 of 4, the game is close; two or less, CMC wins.  I think Chapman wins by four in OT; Oxy upsets CLU in a very close game; Redlands knocks off Pomona Pitzer by six and La Verne edges Cal Tech by 5.  Stag44, OxyBob, Bigcat, elfinley, WoostAR, Evolution what's your opinion about tonight's games.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on January 29, 2014, 01:11:05 PM
Great slate of games tonight!

CMS @ Chapman

This should be an awesome game. Hutton is always a very difficult place to play and the Panthers are looking for a big win to get themselves into 3rd place in conference. The Stags are still playing well, though they had a defensive hiccup @Redlands on Saturday giving up 76 points. Watching that game Redlands hit some really difficult shots and I was impressed with how well Peetz shot with players draped on him. I think the key in the game will be Chapman's defense - hoopslover, you nailed it with the rebounding and physicality. I think that this game will be a "bloodbath" where both teams will be very physical and aggressive. I personally think that there will have to be more contributions away from Hamasaki - ie Zaversnick, Dragovich, Joyce as most teams are honing in on Hamasaki and trying to take him away.  In general Chapman is a system team and they run their stuff really well, so often it comes down to reacting to their offense and then honing in on them as they go 4flat or off ball-screens at end of shot clocks. I think Chapman will watch the first game film and be disgusted with their defense. Letting a team shoot 78% on 2s is really unacceptable, but also credit to the Stags. They ran the motion as its drilled during the game and were getting layups, open shots and playing as a unit. I highly doubt they will shoot it as well tonight, but I also think they will shoot better than 12% from 3. It will be a game of 2 halves as well as both teams are good at making half time adjustments. I'm not sure how Chapman plans to contain Gaffaney but curious to see what they throw at him. I suspect the 2nd time around in conference teams are going to start throwing different looks at him including Box+1, Triangle+2 (on Gaffaney and Pinson), Zone, Face Guarding, etc. If teams do this though, including chapman, I think the Stags have enough talent around and Gaffaney is so good even without the ball that these gimmick schemes will be busted quickly. I think it's going to be a close game but CMS prevails with their tough D and opportunistic O

CMS 66 - Chapman 57

PP @ Redlands
This is going to be an exciting, fast, and high-scoring game. Both teams can fill it up, don't really like playing defense, and have players who are incredible scorers. Pomona has been on a roll, winning 8 straight games and averaging over 80ppg during that stretch. After 3 straight L across the winter break stretch, they have hit their stride and are looking very dangerous. The lethal guard trio of McAndrews, Moss and Cohen paired with Klewer, Weiss and Farone-Collins down low really make them tough. All guys on the court can shoot from 3, McAndrews is an unreal playmaker and can bail them out at the end of shot clocks along with Cohen and Moss while Klewer grabs every possible rebound and FaroneCollins has been producing at a healthy clip off the bench. They have an 8-man rotation with set roles which is huge for teams to be successful in my opinion.

Redlands showed on Saturday they can score against anyone and have the tools to beat anyone at home. Currier is a tough place to play and they are starting to integrate Calhoun into the mix to add some athleticism to the mix. I think they will beat some teams at home and could potentially creep into that 4th spot.

The game tonight is going to be about who can make stops when it matters. Both teams will score, but I think there will be one 8-12pt run by PP that will decide the game as Redlands will be unable to match the firepower.

PP wins 88-74

CLU @ OXY
Great matchup here of rivals both needing wins. CLU needs one to distance itself as a the 3rd place team, while Oxy needs one to stay alive. As OxyBob mentioned, CLU has been about its transfers Powdrill and Smith all year. They have taken the reins and really led this team. Powdrill is a bulldog who is as aggressive as anyone on offense and makes a living around the rim and at the free throw line. I think if anyone has the will, they can take alot of charges on him as he is out of control and puts his head down to drive. Smith is a big time guard who has been scoring well for them and provides some guard play that they havent had since Kyle Knudsen and Grimm. They are a team that can be really really dangerous but also have layed some eggs this year in how they perform.

Oxy has been struggling but still has a chance to make the playoffs with a strong 2nd half. They have been led by Johnson of late, but if Montoya gets back on track like he has the past 2 games they are a team that if they are clicking on offense can play with any team in conference. I think they will come up short tonight though as Smith and Powdrill with dominate the game.

CLU wins 70-62


ULV @ CIT
ULV wins in a game that is close for 30 minutes.

ULV wins 72-55
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: elfinley on January 29, 2014, 02:27:15 PM
The SCIAC is getting very interesting as CMS and PP seem to have a lock to the 2 top spots in the SCIAC post season tournament where 6 teams seem to be fighting for the last 2 spots.

Claremont-Mudd-Scripps 7-0 12-4
Pomona-Pitzer 8-1 13-5
Cal Lutheran 5-4 14-4
Chapman 5-4 11-7
Whittier 4-4 10-7
Occidental 3-5 7-9
Redlands 3-5 7-10
La Verne 3-6 6-11

Caltech 0-9 3-15

As far as the Panthers tonight? They really need to overcome their problems they consistently have: Rebounding, defensive penetration, and turnovers to have a legit shot at winning tonight. If they can conquer those demons, there is no reason why they should not be one of the top 4 teams when its all said and done.

Redlands could beat Pomona tonight.

CIT will always compete hard and never quit but ULV will win tonight.

Oxy and CLU could be game of the night. CLU goes as Powdrill goes, same with Montoya and OXY.

One thing is for sure, the 2nd half of SCIAC play: DOGFIGHT!!!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bigcat on January 29, 2014, 05:22:35 PM
Great games in the SCIAC tonight. Here's my prediction for the Chapman-CMS game:
The outcome of this game will depend on which Chapman team shows up. If the team that played with effort and energy for 45 minutes in the OT win at Cal Lu shows up, Chapman has a good chance to score an upset. However, inconsistency has been one of the biggest issues for the Panthers all season.
For Chapman to win, I think they have to play good TEAM defense. If they decide to go man I think Zavrsnick is likely to start out on Gaffney. Zavrsnick is quick on his feet but is giving up about 30lbs and a couple of inches. Because of this, Chapman's helpside must be 100% on point if they want to have a chance. Blake Kubly is a tough defender off the bench, and is stronger than Zavrsnick, so I think coach should up his minutes some tonight. Davis Dragovich and Jordan Young are other options as well due to their size, but neither are great 1 on 1 defenders. I do think they will throw a couple different looks at him though, not just man to man.
CMS has a lot of size at guard, and is by far the best defensive team in the SCIAC.  I am sure they will try and focus on limiting Hamasaki and Zavrsnick, forcing some of Chapman's other players to make plays. Chapman needs to take advantage of their speed and try and push the tempo to get some easy buckets in transition, because points in the half court will be very hard to come by.
I think the X factor in this game for Chapman is Jordan Young. Young is the only player off the bench that is a serious scoring threat. He has had a few 20 point games in his career, and tonight would be a great night to have one of those. However, his minutes have been minimal as of late and his confidence seems to be down, but I think they could really use his size and ability to spread the floor tonight.
Ultimately, I think this game come downs to Chapman's D. If they buckle down this will be a very close game. Ultimately, I think CMS will pull out a close one.
CMS 61 Chapman 59
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hoops_lover on January 29, 2014, 06:19:47 PM
Great posts today!  Agree with stag44 and Bigcat, Chapman's defensive effort will be the key to upset CMC.  I have to agree with Bigcat that Zavrsnick might be guarding Gaffaney, but I think give Jordan Young a shot.  He's long and I think could give Gaffaney some problems and a bonus, he is better offensively (from the outside) than Kubly.  Whether it's Young or Kubly, if they're guarding Gaffaney, they'll have to commit 100% of their energy to guard him.  Regardless, the TEAM is going to have to step up huge defensively (no easy lay-ups).     
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on January 29, 2014, 06:47:44 PM
I am very curious to see how Chapman does play Gaffaney, but am really curious to see what other stags come and support him. Most nights its been Pinson, but if Grodahl, Harrington or the bigs contribute 12+ points, it's going to be very difficult for Chapman to win.

In the games this year, if all 3 (Gaffaney, Pinson, and Grodahl) have good games they are very tough, and it 2 have good games they, which has been the case most games this year, they are going to be in every game, and they get into trouble when only one is having a good game.

It's pretty clear that Gaffaney is going to get his regardless of who is guarding him, and if they come at him with doubles he's more than content to let the Stags play 4 v 3 all day. If they face guard him it's he'll be a nightmare on off ball screens. If the zone him he's shooting 50%+ from 3 in conference. The key is how the other guys play and who steps up.

Pinson had a monster game @Redlands, and Grodahl also stepped up. I think they are getting their legs and chemistry going and suspect they are going to play well tonight
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on January 29, 2014, 07:56:03 PM
I agree with Stag44's assessment for the first three games and potentially the 4th...if Caltech only manages to put 30 minutes of quality game time together, they will lose.

I think this game could get exciting though.  This is the second time through the SCIAC for Caltech, so they're going into games knowing what to expect, which should help a bit.  Earlier in the year at La Verne, Caltech lost by 10 and were within 4 with a minute to go.  I think this game might be closer than the 17 point gap Stag44 predicts.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on January 30, 2014, 01:11:57 AM
CMS held on for a 66-65 win over Chapman
Box score and recap at    www.chapmanathletics.com

In other action,
PP defeated Redlands 83-77
CLU dropped Oxy 83-70
ULV overr Caltach 59-51
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on January 30, 2014, 01:35:50 AM
Webcast Witness report

CMS 66 - Chapman 65

Wow that was an interesting game! Great ups and downs / ebbs and flows from both teams. The Stags prevailed in spite of an off night from Gaffaney, TERRIBLE ft shooting to end the game, and very good games from Hamasaki, Zaversnick and James.

CMS came out of the gate sharp and quickly went up 7-0 helped by 3s from Grodhal and Pinson. Chapman came back to tie the game at 7 and again the Stags went on a 6-0 run to be answered with 6 straight from Chapman to tie the game at 13 with around 13 minutes to go. Through the first 7 minutes, Grodahl, Pinson both looked ready to play while Gaffaney missed a couple of easy shots near the rim. Neither team really did anything new or different to this point.

Tied at 13, the Stags went on a quick 8-0 run with 4 points by freshman Riley Hall who was starting for Harrington. Hall played GREAT in his spot start role and has given Scali another new player unafraid of the big moments, similar to Harrington last year. He attacked, defended and played his role perfectly in the offense tonight and was a key part of the early success for the Stags. The Stags were scoring well in transition and in the half court causing Bokosky to take a quick timeout. Coming out of the timeout Chapman went to a 1-2-2 zone that CMS quickly torched with 3 straight 3s. Over a 5 minute stretch the Stags went on a 17-2 run to take a 30-15 lead. Chapman scored the last 2 buckets of the half and the score at halftime was 30-19 as neither team scored the last 5 minutes of the half.

The half went about as well as it could have for CMS given Gaffaney had just 5 points on 2-7 shooting. The contributions came from all over as Grodahl, Pinson, Lund and Hall also all scored at least 5 points. For Chapman, they were stymied by the Stag defense and were  unable to get out in transition. They shot 33% and were only 1-8 from 3 while turning it over 7 times.

The 2nd half was a different story as both teams got their offense clicking. The teams more or less traded baskets for the first 15 minutes of the half with some huge contributions coming from Lund as he was fed the ball by all the guards. With Chapman denying and overplaying the guards there was alot of space for Lund and Lane to operate on the block and often just catch and finish over the top of a front.

With 4 minutes left and CMS leading 63-54 after a Lane putback tip-in, Chapman turned on the afterburners as Zaversnick, James and Dragovich all scored to get Chapman to down 3, 63-60. It could have been closer but Hamasaki missed a breakaway layup after a careless turnover from Grodahl. After a suspect travel called on Gaffaney, Hamasaki hit a HUGE 3 infront of his bench after rocking his defender with a few dribbles. Hutton looked to be really loud and Chapman had all the momentum on its side. CMS elected to not take a time out and were running their motion, when Chapman was caught over helping/cheating towards Gaffaney who had the ball. He skipped to Grodahl who countered with an ice-cold 3 in front of the Stag bench. After a CMS timeout, Chapman countered off a play they had run all game to get Zaversnick a slip lay-in to cut the lead to 1. Great call by Bokosky as the Stags had been beaten on the play for open 3s at least 3 times through the game, but instead of going for the tie he got the screener on a layin.

Chapman set up their press to foul but inexplicably let Gaffaney break a trap without fouling him and he found Earley streaking to the rim but was intentionally fouled on a clear path to the basket. This gave the Stags 2fts and the ball with 20 seconds left. Unfortunately Earley missed both his freethrows and then Lane missed the front end of his 1and1 to give Chapman the ball with 16 seconds and a chance to win. It was set up perfectly with Hamasaki iso-ed at the top of the key vs Gaffaney - both locks for All-Conference - and Gaffaney won the battle this time stripping Hamaskai at with 4 seconds to go. CMS recovered the looseball and took a time out. They entered to Pinson who was fouled with 4 seconds to go and he proceeded to miss his front end as well giving the Panthers ANOTHER shot. They set up a full court play but the inbound pass was over the head of Hamasaki and Gaffaney recovered with 1 second to go. He also missed the front end, but Reider missed a desperation heave as time ran out and the Stags escaped.

This was a great game the that Stags controlled for about 36 minutes, but some timely errors and poor execution down the stretch made this a close game. Chapman has a knack for being in close games this year as 7 of their conference games have been within 5 points. Props to the Stags for winning it without having Gaffaney at his best and in spite of their poor ft shooting at the end of the game.

In other games:

P-P beat Redlands behind a strong performance from Cohen
ULV rallied in the 2nd half coming back from 8 down at halftime to beat Caltech
CLU controlled the game and won comfortably against Oxy
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bigcat on January 30, 2014, 03:05:00 AM
Saw the CMS-Chapman game as well. Few notes from what I saw:
1. Chapman's offense in the 1st half has horrific. I do not, for the life of me, understand why Chapman insists on bringing both of their bigs to the high post for so much of their half court offense. I know the idea is to get a bucket on a backdoor cut from a dribble hand-off, but against such a disciplined team like CMS, it wasn't going to happen. You could tell CMS knew it was coming, and did a great job helping and recovering to prevent an easy bucket.  Every time it was just 30 seconds of handing the ball off to each other around the perimeter until someone had to throw up a desperation shot at the buzzer. The bigs were just taking up space and making it easy on CMS to defend and very difficult for Chapman's guards to attack. Second half was much better offensively for Chapman. They pushed the ball more and did a much better job controlling the tempo.
2. This was my first time seeing Gaffney play. I like his game a lot; he's tough, smart, has a great first step, and can shoot it. However, I really think Hamasaki and Zavrsnick outplayed him tonight. I think he will win POY, but Hamasaki and Zavrsnick are right on his level.
3. I did not like the out of bounds play at the end. Granted, if CMS makes their free throws Chapman wouldn't have even got another chance. With no timeouts left Chapman drew up a play that looked to try and get Hamasaki, who started at half court, the ball past the free throw line while coming off an up screen. The problem was that the play took way to long to give Hamasaki time to get an open look for the pass. Hamasaki was still at half court until about three second had already passed on the 5 count. He wasn't open immediately, and didn't have time to try and cut back. There really wasn't any safe second option in the play, as everyone else was well past the free throw line. Dragovich was forced to throw a jump ball to the volleyball line like a quarterback throwing a hail mary into the middle of the field. I don't blame that on him, and from the look on his face after it happened I don't think he blamed himself either. It wasn't necessarily a bad play, as Hamasaki would have gotten a great look if he was open. That's just an awfully risky play to call without any timeouts left and still a decent amount of time left on the clock. 3.5 seconds is still enough time for one of these guys to get a decent look without catching it past half court.
4. I don't think the talent difference is very much between these two teams. Hamasaki and Zavrsnick will keep Chapman in any SCIAC game by themselves. The biggest difference is CMS's role players are better than Chapman's. Chapman just got outplayed and outcoached tonight.  CMS game in with a game plan, executed on offense, and got a tough W.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 30, 2014, 11:02:16 AM
Eyewitness report from Eagle Rock:

Cal Lutheran 83, Oxy 70

Grey Fox and I took in the game at Oxy.

Quote from: OxyBob on January 28, 2014, 01:40:21 PM
The Tigers are going to have to do a much better job of guarding CLU's Arik Smith, the junior transfer from UW-River Falls. In the Jan. 4 game, Smith scored 20 with no sweat against a very porous Oxy defense. Moorpark College transfer Coltrane Powdrill has been a force for CLU, leading the team in both points (18.1 ppg) and rebounds (6.9 per game).

Oxy did not do a much better job of guarding Smith. He scored 26 on 10-for-14 shooting, 6-for-7 FTs, had 5 offensive rebounds, and 3 blocks. Smith was waywayway too quick for Oxy's guards, going baseline to baseline for easy layups. As for Powdrill, he scored 22, had 7 rebounds, 4 assists, 2 blocks, and 2 steals, and pretty much did whatever he wanted. Jeremy Sulker-Hall scored 11, and Corey Quintana had 10 for CLU.

The Tigers played shorthanded without injured Spencer Levy (14.6 ppg), but freshman Joe Compagno filled in nicely with 13 points and 6 rebounds. Andrew Johnson had a great game with 22 points and 12 rebounds. Kory Hamane scored 15.

The game was close through the first half, but CLU is just too big, too strong, and too deep for Oxy, and in the second half the Kingsmen steadily pulled away to a double-digit lead and kept it there.

Oxy is 7-10, 3-6 SCIAC. The Tigers' hopes for a spot in the conference tournament are dim. Oxy hosts Caltech (3-16, 0-10) this Saturday, and UC Santa Cruz (3-16) on Sunday.

SCIAC Game of the Week: Pomona (14-5, 9-1) @ Cal Lutheran (15-4, 6-4) on Saturday.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on January 30, 2014, 01:37:34 PM
Rough night for Caltech last night.  They started off rolling...offense working the best I've seen off of a high post cross screen...this is becoming their bread and butter...Caltech held a 38-30 lead at half (they missed some great opportunities that would have had them ahead further).  Everything was clicking.

Then it become readily apparent that Caltech is just as nervous of winning as their opponents are of losing to them.  The second half began with Caltech's first two shots sitting on the rim, each with 2-3 tips but the shots just wouldn't go.  The team never let up on the defensive end, and got great looks on the offensive end, but the shots just wouldn't go.  Caltech scored 13 points in the second half with at least 4 rim outs and numerous other open looks that just didn't go. 

I would say Caltech finally played a solid 40 minutes of basketball...despite their second half offensive deficiencies they played solid defense all night...while La Verne shot 52% from the field, Caltech wreaked havoc with La Verne's sets generating 18 turnovers and limiting La Verne to 59 points, 5 below their average on the season. 

This sets up a battle of the SCIAC basement teams at Oxy this weekend...should be a tight game...if Caltech can limit Montoya (no easy task), they will have a good shot at winning.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hoops_lover on January 31, 2014, 12:46:11 PM
stag44 and Bigcat your SPOT ON with your assessments.  Agree that Chapman's 1st half offensively was BAD.  Nice adjustment by Chapman in the second half to "liven up" offensively.  James and especially Hamasaki are very good ballhandlers, unselfish and make good decisions.  Why not within the structure of the offense let them freelance, meaning run your play but have an option, which I'll comment on shortly.  I think they were able to comeback because they did not go into the post as much.  It seemed that Joyce was upset he wasn't getting the ball.  He's a BIG upgrade from the post player they had last year, but it's a TEAM GAME and Joyce WILL have his opportunities just not in this game.  Justin Young and Nick Dragovich understand their roles as Lund and Lane do for CMS.  I thought Chapman did a good job defensively on Gaffaney and he had the task to guard Hamasaki.  He's should be a lock for SCIAC POY.  Lund, Pinson and Grodahl played really well for CMC and I felt Davis Dragovich helped sparked the comeback for Chapman in the second half.
Hamasaki clanking a breakaway lay-up after stealing a pass and CMC poor free throw shooting kept this game close. stag44 talked about the play with 16 seconds left and Chapman having the ball.  After seeing them play several times, I had a feeling that Hamasaki was going to handle the ball, but the play was going to go to someone else, likely Zavrsnick, to drain the shot.  I'm good with that EXCEPT when you have a very good ball handler in Hamasaki, why not give him a second option to shoot OR have James bring it up, which could spread the court out more for Hamasaki, Zavrsnick or someone else.  This takes Gaffaney's size advantage away guarding Hamasaki and when Hamasaki gets the ball, he's crafty enough to get penetration and dish.  Bigcat commented on the out of bounds play.  You're right, it took to long to set-up with the amount of time left.  Also when I saw that Dragovich was taking it out, we were in trouble because decision making to inbound the ball is not his forte.  Again I've seen this team play several times and I've seen him make bad choices when inbounding the ball against a press.  With less than 5 seconds left in the game and a chance to win, why not let James or Rider throw the ball in???  I will say this, Coach Bokosky and his staff has done a very good job in making adjustments/changes.  The team's defensive effort against CMC was much better.       
I should quit prognosticating basketball games. I was 1 for 4, with La Verne winning.  Chapman did all four things I said they needed to do to win by 6-10 points, but the lost.  I like the Seahawks in a shootout to win the Super Bowl.  i'll comment later about tomorrow's games.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bigcat on February 02, 2014, 10:44:15 PM
Didn't catch the game but Chapman fell to Redlands at home. Anyone have an eyewitness? Seems like inconsistency and poor defense continue to plague this team. Now appears to be 5 teams competing for 1 final playoff spot.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: olddog on February 03, 2014, 01:27:29 PM
Saw the UR/CU game. Redlands shot very well, took the ball inside well and ran some good sets where they could post up.  UR was to long for CU, CU took a lot of rushed or double pumped shots. Good ball game both teams played real hard.


Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on February 03, 2014, 01:40:49 PM
Fun quote from Coach Newhall about Laurence Lee and Caltech:  "Lee is going to be a very good player for four years in the SCIAC," Newhall said. "This Caltech program just keeps getting better and better. They are competitive with every SCIAC school and can beat anyone on any given night. They have no seniors on their roster and Dr. Oliver Eslinger deserves a lot of credit for the job he's doing over there."

Lee is finally coming into his own...the impetus for this comment was a 22 point 7 rebound 2 block night against Oxy...I think it takes bigs a little longer to adjust to the physicality and speed of the college game.   

I agree with the second half of Newhall's comment except in the case of Cal Lu.  Next up for Caltech, Cal Lu...at Cal Lu...I don't anticipate this game going well for Caltech, but I do expect Caltech to be right there for the rest of the games on their schedule: I actually think Caltech matches up well against CMS (not in the first game this year, however).  Caltech has a bye going in and has an extra chance to scout and prepare for this game. Following the CMS game, none of the remaining teams on Caltech's schedule have winning records. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 03, 2014, 02:52:31 PM
Quote from: WoostAr on February 03, 2014, 01:40:49 PM
Fun quote from Coach Newhall about Laurence Lee and Caltech

At least Newhall is consistent.

December 4, 2013:  "Coach Oliver Eslinger has done a remarkable job upgrading the talent on his team. The 10 first-year players you saw tonight are going to win a lot of games over the next four years."

January 9, 2013: "Too often, I have to remind my players and others that this isn't the same Caltech team of the past. They're going to fight."

January 6, 2011: "They are very good and can beat anybody in the conference."

OxyBob

P.S. On Sunday Oxy beat UC Santa Cruz 86-82 in overtime. Kris Montoya 20 (11 in OT), Andrew Johnson 20, Joe Compagno 17, Kory Hamane and Chad Tanioka 11 each.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on February 03, 2014, 06:39:03 PM
Regional Rankings should be coming soon, so this could be a fun discussion...only teams which could be ranked in SCIAC are CMS and PP

I'm anticipating CMS will be unranked...while undefeated in conference play, they played their usual bad non-conference schedule staying outside the NCAA for a large portion of their non-conference schedule (and laid an egg against the regional opponents they did play...35 pts against Pacific still blows my mind)...only regional non-conference wins are Willamette and Santa Cruz. 

Pomona Pitzer is the interesting question.  While they've lost a couple games in the SCIAC (CMS and Cal Lu) they have wins against st. thomas and at Trinity...4-2 in the region out of conference....of course, they could have played a couple more d3 games instead of Westmont and Biola.  I think they could get some consideration and potentially sneak into the rankings....maybe??
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 03, 2014, 06:52:05 PM
Quote from: WoostAr on February 03, 2014, 06:39:03 PM
Regional Rankings should be coming soon, so this could be a fun discussion...only teams which could be ranked in SCIAC are CMS and PP

I'm anticipating CMS will be unranked...while undefeated in conference play, they played their usual bad non-conference schedule staying outside the NCAA for a large portion of their non-conference schedule (and laid an egg against the regional opponents they did play...35 pts against Pacific still blows my mind)...only regional non-conference wins are Willamette and Santa Cruz. 

Pomona Pitzer is the interesting question.  While they've lost a couple games in the SCIAC (CMS and Cal Lu) they have wins against st. thomas and at Trinity...4-2 in the region out of conference....of course, they could have played a couple more d3 games instead of Westmont and Biola.  I think they could get some consideration and potentially sneak into the rankings....maybe??

February 12
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 04, 2014, 01:43:35 AM
Quote from: WoostAr on February 03, 2014, 06:39:03 PM
Regional Rankings should be coming soon, so this could be a fun discussion

What is there to discuss? The SCIAC AQ will be fed to Whitworth. Book your reservations now.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 05, 2014, 05:34:25 PM
A full SCIAC schedule tonight:

Redlands (8-11, 4-6 SCIAC) @ La Verne (7-12, 4-6)
Whittier (10-8, 4-5) @ Pomona-Pitzer (14-6, 9-2)
Oxy (9-10, 4-6) @ Claremont (9-0, 14-4)
Caltech (3-17, 0-11) @ Cal Lutheran (16-4, 7-4)

Oxy's last visit to Ducey Gym aka the Temple of Doom. Sorry I won't be able to make it. Hopefully Coach Scalmanini will turn up the thermostat to 90 for old times' sake. Claremont had no problem with Oxy on Jan. 11, winning 68-50. Gaffaney had 25 for CMS.

Pomona is coming off a loss to CLU, and should handle Whittier at home. The Sagehens won 83-74 @ WC on Jan. 11.

Big game for Redlands and La Verne to stay in the hunt for the 4th spot in the conference tournament. UR won 65-52 on Jan. 11.

Cal Lutheran is a solid 3rd in the conference standings. Expect the Kingsmen to play everyone in an easy win tonight.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 06, 2014, 09:30:59 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 05, 2014, 05:34:25 PM
Cal Lutheran is a solid 3rd in the conference standings. Expect the Kingsmen to play everyone in an easy win tonight.

Eyewitness report from Thousand Oaks:

Cal Lutheran 63, Caltech 60 OT

Well, I was wrong about that. Caltech played with energy and enthusiasm and almost pulled off a win, while CLU played a ho-hum, lackadaisical game and did just enough to avoid a loss. CLU played very similar to the way they played when I saw the Kingsmen lose to La Verne in January.

With Caltech up 55-52, Arik Smith bailed out Cal Lutheran in regulation with a game-tying 3-pointer with 33 seconds to go. Caltech had a chance to win it, but Collin Knudsen blocked Andrew Hogue's shot at the buzzer. In overtime, CIT had a 60-57 lead with 2:30 left, but CLU used its size and strength to get a couple of offensive rebounds off of misses and took the lead on Smith's layup with about a minute left. Coltrane Powdrill added a couple of FTs to make it 63-60. Caltech had a chance to tie, but Hogue missed a 3-ball at the buzzer and the Kingsmen barely escaped with a victory.

CLU: Smith 22, Quintana 12
CIT: Lango 13, Hogue 12, LeBaron 11, Emezie and Lee 10 each

Caltech outrebounded CLU 34-30. Should never happen. CLU's tepid play will cost them in the conference tournament.

In the other SCIAC games:

Claremont overwhelmed Oxy 83-60. Tyler Gaffaney had 23 pts, 8 rebs, and 8 assists for CMS.
Adrian Brandon's 3-ball broke a 48-48 tie, and Pomona went on to beat Whittier 81-76. Kyle McAndrews had 22 for Pomona.
La Verne led Redlands by 14 with 8 minutes to go, blew the lead, but the Leopards prevailed in OT, 74-70. Ronn See had 26 for ULV.

Saturday's SCIAC schedule:

Redlands (8-2, 4-7 SCIAC) @ Oxy (9-11, 4-7)
Claremont (15-4, 10-0) @ Pomona (15-6, 10-2)
Cal Lutheran (17-4, 8-4) @ La Verne (8-12, 5-6)

Nonconference:

Chapman (11-9) @ Whittier (10-9)

Caltech (3-18, 0-12) is idle.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on February 06, 2014, 12:32:57 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 06, 2014, 09:30:59 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 05, 2014, 05:34:25 PM
Cal Lutheran is a solid 3rd in the conference standings. Expect the Kingsmen to play everyone in an easy win tonight.

Eyewitness report from Thousand Oaks:

Cal Lutheran 63, Caltech 60 OT

Well, I was wrong about that. Caltech played with energy and enthusiasm and almost pulled off a win.


I don't think anyone (other than the Caltech team) expected this game to be close. 

A few additions to OxyBob's review: Caltech's bigs were in foul trouble early and often.  KC Emezie was the only chance Caltech had at stopping Arik Smith...he was Cal Lu's only offense in the second half.  Also of note, Caltech held Coltrane Powdrill to 3 of 17 from the field and his shots were UGLY...I credit Caltech's defense (and planting him on the floor at least once) for his poor shooting...he was not getting good looks and forced shots up anyway...by the end of the night he looked pretty ragged.  Typically Cal Lu just pushes Caltech around...Caltech didn't back down this game and it ended up a dogfight...lots of fouls and lots of bumping.

Oh...and this happened! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eerjc6Mjmak&feature=youtu.be

Also of note, Luke Lango has had his legs cramp up several times this year and again last night...Caltech needs a back up point guard desperately to rest him a few minutes a game.

Caltech gets a bye this saturday (handily during their midterms, so there is no worry about them laying an egg due to midterms this year) and then goes up against CMS next wednesday...looking forward to see if they can continue their upward trend.
 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Evolution on February 06, 2014, 03:05:44 PM
Caltech's loss to Cal Lutheran in overtime...yes, overtime.

Surprise to everyone except those of us, total number could be counted on one hand, whose primary focus has been on the Beavers' progress this season.

Caltech's defense last night was their best showing to date, especially off-ball.  Even their transition defense looked good.  CIT was persistent. Perhaps this led to the unbalanced foul calling by the referees.  CIT had 26 fouls called, while home team Cal Lutheran had only 12.  Not saying the calls were bad, simply emphasizing Caltech was aggressive.

Caltech had fabulous ball movement, especially the in-out game, hence the balanced box score; four starters and the sixth man all scored in double figures. Everyone was involved on offense.  (CIT: Lango 13, Hogue 12, LeBaron 11, Emezie 10, Lee 10).

Lango, played 44 minutes of intense basketball, and despite the cramping hit the big three at the start of OT.  Excellent stop defense on the part of Cal Lutheran's senior Jeremy Sulker-Hall at the overtime buzzer to seal the win for Cal Lutheran.

My belief in CIT is steadfast. CIT's freshmen, three who were 17 when they enrolled at Caltech, played 64% of Caltech's total minutes last night, and coincidentally, scored 64% of CIT total points.  Conversely, I don't think Cal Lutheran played any freshman, and 75% of their points came from upperclassmen (Jr./Sr.). 

These CIT freshmen, with the help of three sophomores, and a two juniors, are learning to compete against much older, stronger athletes. In time, they will become upperclassmen, and will be more than prepared to compete laterally against other athletes in the SCIAC.

And an obstacle Caltech must overcome, even more so than their abundant youth, is the mere fact that every SCIAC team gives Caltech their BEST game.  No one wants to loose to Caltech.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: (509)Rat on February 06, 2014, 03:43:40 PM
Oxybob,

You going to join me at Whittier this Saturday to watch the weekly non-conference matchup against Chapman? I should go to CMS v PP but dahlby is going to host my SCIAC basketball experience so I'm sticking with the Chapman game.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hoops_lover on February 06, 2014, 03:51:25 PM
Watched the La Verne/Redlands and CLU/Cal Tech games on live stream.  Hats off to the La Verne folks for the clarity and camera placement while watching the stream.  the student play by play was not bad either.  When I saw La Verne go up by 14, I knew that Redlands still had another run or two left in them.  Redlands was down by that much because their 3's weren't falling.  But when they did, they made up ground rapidly.  Should have NOT gone into overtime as See attacked the bucket in the closing seconds but missed and La Verne missed an fairly uncontested put back.
Have to disagree with Evolution.  True nobody wants to lose to Cal Tech, but as I witnessed last night and against Chapman, and Oxy, opponents play "not to lose" which causes them to play tight.  Yeah, Chapman won by 19, but the 1st half and beginning of the 2nd half, they played tight.  Very apparent last night vs. CLU and heard it was the same vs. Oxy.
If Cal Tech had won, 3rd place would have open for the taking.  I think it still is because CLU has to play at La Verne and at Redlands, then finish up with Whittier and CMC.
Can anybody please tell me what the tiebreakers are?  Is it who beats who, then a coin flip?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on February 06, 2014, 04:40:29 PM
Quote from: Hoops_lover on February 06, 2014, 03:51:25 PM

Can anybody please tell me what the tiebreakers are?  Is it who beats who, then a coin flip?

1. Head to Head
2. Next best win (ie its between CLU and Redlands, CLU would win because they beat PP)
3. Coin toss

I believe that is the order - this was the case a couple years ago, but I'm not sure if its changed
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on February 06, 2014, 07:28:04 PM
Quote from: Hoops_lover on February 06, 2014, 03:51:25 PM
Have to disagree with Evolution.  True nobody wants to lose to Cal Tech, but as I witnessed last night and against Chapman, and Oxy, opponents play "not to lose" which causes them to play tight.  Yeah, Chapman won by 19, but the 1st half and beginning of the 2nd half, they played tight.  Very apparent last night vs. CLU and heard it was the same vs. Oxy.


This is not a case of Cal Lu, Oxy, or La Verne (or anyone else in the SCIAC...or Chapman) getting worse or playing scared/tight/whatever, it is a case of Caltech getting better.  If you think the opponent is nervous, you didn't watch Caltech down the stretch of the La Verne game...the burden of a large conference losing streak definitely got to them.  These are hard-fought games and you take credit away from Caltech by saying "other teams play not to lose"...Cal Lu played their game last night, Oxy played their game last game, and La Verne the game before that...Caltech can play defense, be physical and rebound now, 3 things they couldn't really do in recent history and that's the difference.

There have been several posters through the season pointing out that Caltech couldn't put together a 40 minute stretch of basketball.  For the first half of the season that was largely true.  Over the last three games they have managed to play solid full games...definite improvement, CMS is a large hurdle, can't wait to see how they handle it.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bigcat on February 07, 2014, 12:15:32 AM
My predictions for All-SCIAC teams:
POY-Tyler Gaffney-CMS
Newcomer of the Year-Coltrane Powdrill

1st Team
Taylor Hamasaki-Chapman
Coltrane Powdrill-CLU
Kyle McAndrews-PP
Colin Zavrsnick-Chapman
Jake Klewer-PP
Nick Demusis-Whittier

2nd Team
Arik Smith-CLU
Kris Montoya-Oxy
Alex Rudd-Redlands
Remy Pinson-CMS
Ron See-La Verne
Chris Barnes-William-Whittier
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on February 07, 2014, 01:26:55 PM
Quote from: Bigcat on February 07, 2014, 12:15:32 AM
My predictions for All-SCIAC teams:
POY-Tyler Gaffney-CMS
Newcomer of the Year-Coltrane Powdrill

1st Team
Taylor Hamasaki-Chapman


2nd Team
Arik Smith-CLU



Arik Smith is statistically a better player than Hamasaki and his team has a better record so I don't think Hamasaki will go first team with Arik Smith 2nd.

Hamasaki from the field in conference play: 47.5% from 2, 42.4% from 3, 2.5 rebounds, 2.2 assists

Smith from the field in conference play: 54.5% from 2, 44.5% from 3, 3.7 rebounds, 2.4 assists.

Hamasaki does score about 1 pt more per game, but he plays 4 minutes more a game so I think the scoring rate actually goes to Arik Smith as well.

Cal Lu also has a much better record than Chapman (granted season isn't over) which typically affects SCIAC coaches voting on this matter.

Gaffney will only be player of the year if CMS wins the tourney at the end of the year.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: westcoastwilliam on February 07, 2014, 05:06:13 PM
Quote from: Bigcat on February 07, 2014, 12:15:32 AM
My predictions for All-SCIAC teams:
POY-Tyler Gaffney-CMS
Newcomer of the Year-Coltrane Powdrill

1st Team
Taylor Hamasaki-Chapman
Coltrane Powdrill-CLU
Kyle McAndrews-PP
Colin Zavrsnick-Chapman
Jake Klewer-PP
Nick Demusis-Whittier

2nd Team
Arik Smith-CLU
Kris Montoya-Oxy
Alex Rudd-Redlands
Remy Pinson-CMS
Ron See-La Verne
Chris Barnes-William-Whittier

I think you have it just about right, except for the two PP players on first team. Pinson from CMS should be above Klewer IMO.

Quote from: WoostAr on February 07, 2014, 01:26:55 PM
Gaffney will only be player of the year if CMS wins the tourney at the end of the year.

Gaffney wins it regardless IMO. 20/5/4 on 63/49/81 shooting splits. 1st in ppg, 3rd in fg% being 2nd in attempts, 5th in assists...the guy is on a completely different level than everyone else offensively. Coupled with the fact that CMS has a legitimate shot to go undefeated in the "regular" season, I just don't see any way he's not the POY (barring injury, of course).
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CMSfan on February 07, 2014, 06:01:41 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 04, 2014, 01:43:35 AM
What is there to discuss? The SCIAC AQ will be fed to Whitworth. Book your reservations now.

I'm guessing it'll be Whitman, but the point stands.

Quote from: westcoastwilliam on February 07, 2014, 05:06:13 PM
Pinson from CMS should be above Klewer IMO.

Pinson is definitely 1st team.

Quote from: westcoastwilliam on February 07, 2014, 05:06:13 PM
Gaffney wins it regardless IMO.

No doubt.

Quote from: (509)Rat on February 06, 2014, 03:43:40 PM
I should go to CMS v PP but dahlby is going to host my SCIAC basketball experience so I'm sticking with the Chapman game.

Questionable decision.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on February 07, 2014, 06:37:48 PM
Quote from: CMSfan on February 07, 2014, 06:01:41 PM

Quote from: westcoastwilliam on February 07, 2014, 05:06:13 PM
Gaffney wins it regardless IMO.

No doubt.


Based on Gaffney's stats, I would agree.  The problem is that a player from the team that wins the conference tourney always wins player of the year.  He is probably guaranteed a spot on the all region squad but not guaranteed SCIAC POY. 

Quote from: CMSfan on February 07, 2014, 06:01:41 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 04, 2014, 01:43:35 AM
What is there to discuss? The SCIAC AQ will be fed to Whitworth. Book your reservations now.

I'm guessing it'll be Whitman, but the point stands.



I agree it's probably Whitman over Whitworth this year...Whitman went to OT with Redlands and Caltech held tight until the end...both teams in basement of SCIAC...history is on NWC's side, but I think you're being too pessimistic.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: westcoastwilliam on February 07, 2014, 06:51:42 PM
Your Saturday slate of games for the SCIAC:
(all games at 5:00 PM)

CMS (10-0) @ Pomona-Pitzer (10-2)
Hands-down the game of the night, as CMS makes the trip down 6th Street to face the Sagehens. These teams last met before the winter break, with CMS prevailing 65-59 behind 19 from Gaffaney. I am sure stag44 will have much more to say about the specifics in this one, so I will keep my thoughts short: CMS wins 58-47 with their typical deliberate offense and quality team defense.

Cal Lutheran (8-4) @ La Verne (5-6)
Cal Lu has virtually locked up their spot in the conference tournament, and will look to maintain their third spot in the standings. La Verne managed to pull the upset the first time these two met, and I expect the same result here: La Verne by 3, with +250 odds the Kingsmen are unable to find the court within the circus tent.

Redlands (4-7) @ Occidental (4-7)
Two incredibly inconsistent teams looking to make a push for that 4th and final spot in the tournament. Redlands has endured a bit of a rebuilding year after their title in '13, but has played both CMS and PP well recently, losing to each by 6. Oxy has struggled mightily in 2014, with their only two conference wins this (calendar) year coming in close victories over Cal Tech and Chapman. I see Redlands winning 76-68, with 34 sarcastic comments to the refs from OxyBob.

Chapman (5-6) @ Whittier (4-6)
Absolutely critical game for Whittier, as they try to keep pace with the top of the conference. Truth be told, I have no seen much of either team this year (not much as in 2 games total), so I will leave all analysis to the experts, a term which I loosely apply to the fine folks on this board . If past experience and general program history are any indicator of a result in this one, I expect Chapman to prevail with a smart and controlled gameplan, taking advantage of Whittier's characteristic mishaps on the defensive end.

Cal Tech (0-12) is idle.

I will be in the house to take in the CMS-PP game and to provide an "eyewitness report," but mostly to dream of simpler times when the biggest concern of the night was which type of 40oz to buy.

Quote from: WoostAr on February 07, 2014, 06:37:48 PM
Quote from: CMSfan on February 07, 2014, 06:01:41 PM

Quote from: westcoastwilliam on February 07, 2014, 05:06:13 PM
Gaffney wins it regardless IMO.

No doubt.


Based on Gaffney's stats, I would agree.  The problem is that a player from the team that wins the conference tourney always wins player of the year.  He is probably guaranteed a spot on the all region squad but not guaranteed SCIAC POY. 


Not technically true. Conner Whitman won POY honors in '08, the first year the SCIAC instituted the current tournament format, despite PP winning the conference tournament. Every year since then, the regular season champion has also won the conference tournament, so it becomes somewhat of a moot point. I would be shocked if the SCIAC places two on the all region team; usually just the POY.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: (509)Rat on February 07, 2014, 07:00:14 PM
Quote from: CMSfan on February 07, 2014, 06:01:41 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 04, 2014, 01:43:35 AM
What is there to discuss? The SCIAC AQ will be fed to Whitworth. Book your reservations now.

I'm guessing it'll be Whitman, but the point stands.


Whitman will have to knock off Whitworth in Spokane in the conference tourney to make the NCAA field. Last year was the first year Whitman even made the conference tourney championship game. Whitworth holds a 9-3 advantage over the last 12 meetings. Whitworth beat Whitman in Walla Walla this year already. History would say you're wrong. My guess is that most looked at the Stevens-Point game and assumed Whitman was better purely based on a single common opponent. That would be like seeing what Willamette did to HSU in football and then assuming they could keep up with Linfield. Much like football the NWC runs through one school and until somebody actually knocks them off, you'd be foolish to bet against them.

Then again, maybe you are looking at NWC results and realizing that none of us have any clue what's going to happen most nights...if that's the case you're probably right  ;)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: West Coast Bias on February 07, 2014, 08:00:22 PM
Are they running some kind of special on rose color glasses in the Cal Tech Bookstore????

Cal Tech is definitely better. They can definitely compete in the SCIAC with every team. This has been the case however for a few years now. Ever since Roy Dow and the monster front court of Haussler, Hires, and Jordan Carlson has Cal Tech been good enough to beat people.

HOWEVER, they most definitely DO NOT get everyone's "best game". I wouldn't go so far to say that teams not to lose. But I would say that a win against Cal Tech is a relief. Win, and you did what you were supposed to do, beat the worst team in the conference that has won 1 conference game in 25 years. And if you don't win...

If you are Cal Lu, who do you think you would be more fired up to play... Pomona-Pitzer, the team directly ahead of you in the standings, who already beat you this season, and one of the best teams in the league...Or Cal Tech, a team you already beat this season by 24 and has won 1 SCIAC game in 25  years?

I hope they pull one off this year. I can't wait until they win a few league games in a season. It would be great for SCIAC basketball. And we wouldn't have to listen to the constant chorus of "Cal Tech might win one this year!" and "Look at  how much better they are!", and they can be just another bad D3 basketball team (which is what they are).

My man Big Cat coming in HOT with ALL SCIAC perdictions with as many as 6 games to play! Who cares about the last 6 games anyway....all that really matters is how you did in January...

The POY will always go to player nominated by the coach on the team that won the regular season title (e.g. 2011 Andrew Mills).

It will be interesting to see how the 5pm start time affects the crowd for the CMS-PP matchup. They have always been plenty rowdy by the 7:30 tip....




Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CMSfan on February 07, 2014, 08:34:48 PM
Quote from: (509)Rat on February 07, 2014, 07:00:14 PM
Quote from: CMSfan on February 07, 2014, 06:01:41 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 04, 2014, 01:43:35 AM
What is there to discuss? The SCIAC AQ will be fed to Whitworth. Book your reservations now.

I'm guessing it'll be Whitman, but the point stands.


Whitman will have to knock off Whitworth in Spokane in the conference tourney to make the NCAA field. Last year was the first year Whitman even made the conference tourney championship game. Whitworth holds a 9-3 advantage over the last 12 meetings. Whitworth beat Whitman in Walla Walla this year already. History would say you're wrong. My guess is that most looked at the Stevens-Point game and assumed Whitman was better purely based on a single common opponent. That would be like seeing what Willamette did to HSU in football and then assuming they could keep up with Linfield. Much like football the NWC runs through one school and until somebody actually knocks them off, you'd be foolish to bet against them.

Then again, maybe you are looking at NWC results and realizing that none of us have any clue what's going to happen most nights...if that's the case you're probably right  ;)

Ben Eisenhart's return kind of changes the equation, no? Whitman will need to beat Whitworth in Spokane -- a tall task to be sure -- but that's what I see happening.

And, for the record, I'd take CMS against the NWC champ this year, even on the road. This is the SCIAC board, after all! (That's a bet I've lost before, though.)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on February 08, 2014, 03:59:38 PM
Quote from: westcoastwilliam on February 07, 2014, 06:51:42 PM
I see Redlands winning 76-68, with 34 sarcastic comments to the refs from OxyBob.

OxyBob hones his sarcastic comments by practicing on SCIAC posters and punsters. :-X
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hoops_lover on February 08, 2014, 05:27:24 PM
Reply to WoostAr:
I stated in a post a few pages ago that I will follow CIT because they have some good freshmen and sophomores.  Perhaps I should have stated it better.  "Thoughts influence actions and actions influence thoughts" meaning that players might look at CIT past history and figure "easy win".  Any coach worth his salt will not have have his team look past their opponent but players might.  I didn't see the La Verne game but did see the Chapman, CLU games and it appeared that SOME of the players might not have taken CIT too seriously.  I saw this last year when I watched Fla Gulf Coast beat Georgetown and when Harvard beat New Mexico in the NCAA tournament.  The Georgetown and New Mexico players were making bad plays because they were losing to a team that they thought they shouldn't be losing to.  If you recall the Gonzaga/UCLA game in 2006, Gonzaga was up by 17, then fell apart. 
West Coast Bias is dead on with his comments.  The CIT players were "nervous" not because of the past history of CIT basketball, but more likely because they're freshmen and sophomores and they lack experience in playing close games.  You learn how to win close games by playing in them.  Can't learn a darn thing by getting pounded all the time.  CIT is going to be dangerous these last five games.
Also want to comment on Smith/Hamasaki for 1st team All-SCIAC.  Stats don't tell the whole story, the other part is who you game plan for.  I learned his from a well renowned coach several years ago.  We were talking about All-Conference selections and I brought up a name who was having a really good season.  He told me that YES he was having a good season because we game plan for his teammate, who was not doing as well statistically, but is a BIG impact for his team and for that player in particular.  It'll be interesting who is chosen.  I think Pinson should be 1st team.
Today's games:
CMC @ PP:
For home court advantage and possibly SCIAC POY.  I think it's CMC by 4.
Redlands @ Oxy:
For playoff survival.  I'm not sure if Oxy can compete with Redlands size.  If Montoya and Cobb have huge games, Oxy wins in OT.  If not Redlands gets them by 10.
CLU @ La Verne:
La Verne wins by 3.  They compete and La Verne still has a shot for 3rd.  I think teams may have figured out Powdrill.
Chapman @ Whittier:
Both fighting for playoff survival.  Chapman and Whittier, like La Verne, have a shot for 3rd IF CLU loses to LV.  Landrum did not play against Chapman in the first game.  The question for this game is which Whittier and Chapman teams show up today?  I'm going with Chapman by 7.
Good luck to all.

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on February 08, 2014, 07:46:03 PM
Quick Preview

CMS - Pomona

It's the game that I love, that is so fun to play in, watch and be a part of. The recent past has had some incredible games, individual performances and hectic finishes. I think tonight it comes down to some really interesting matchups

Gaffaney vs McAndrews: The top players from the top teams get to match up. They are also arguably to the top two players in the entire conference. Both can take over games offensively with their skill, shotmaking ability and overall ability to overwhelm their defenders. Gaffaney put together a complete game vs Oxy with 23/8/8 - numbers that were last seen by Blees in a CMS jersey. He's been lethally efficient within the motion and really plays within himself and the Stags offense. McAndrews has been struggling lately, but has had great performances in the rivalry game and seems to love playing in big games and being in big moments. He's due for a big game and this will be a perfect stage for it. I think the key will be who is able to establish their teammates early in this game. Both teams are going to be shading towards these guys so making sure they set up teammates for good shots is going to be key and then down the stretch the game will come back into their hands. I see both players playing GREAT tonight, but Gaff is a year older, year stronger and a year hungrier to take down the Sagehens again.

EDGE: CMS

Pinson vs Nordale: Senior vs Frosh. 10th game in the rivalry vs 2nd game. I think this will be a great matchup and will be interesting to see how Nordale plays at home in his gym. Pinson has been on fire of late, but within the flow of the motion. He's playing free and with the swag that he has had since coming from New York as a freshman. I think he understand his team and the flow of this game better than anyone else on the court and will keep his guys calm when things get frentic as they usually do. Nordale plays calm and always seems to be moving under control. I haven't gotten a good read on him, but if he can keep his nerves in front of a packed house he should be able to give them some solid minutes and his length could cause some issues for Pinson and the Stags. I take a senior leader all day in this situation though.

EDGE: CMS

Grodahl vs Cohen: I'm assuming Cohen is healthy again and was dealing with his recurring ankle injury on Wednesday vs Whittier and he'll be ready for this game. He's a big time player and had a huge game last Saturday @ Redlands. The lefty will pull from anywhere and if he hits one you can almost guarantee that he's coming back to shoot another one the next time he gets any space. Grodahl is the same way but has been really up and down this year. The good part though is that even with a shot that has left him from time to time, he continues to be very active on the boards and in the paint getting his hands on alot of balls. I doubt Kats will let him sniff an open shot after what happened last year at Ducey, but if he does leave him open, look out. I have a sneaky feeling Grodahl is going to have another game to remember as he loves playing on the road in hostile environments. He's been used to it since his time at Jesuit in Oregon where they were always the hunted. This is a real wild card matchup, but I'm going with my gut here and some of my homer-ness.

EDGE: CMS

Hall vs Klewer
Frosh vs Senior. Newbie vs All SCIAC. Klewer is the best rebounder and potentially athlete in the SCIAC. Hall is still new to the entire SCIAC and just starting his 4th game for the Stags. Klewer will have another double double and dominated the defensive boards. If Hall can play him and keep him off the oboards and not let him get free for some bunnies then he will have done his job. Kats might try and exploit the Stags at the 4 where they are a little thin but it goes against their offense and strengths. I take experience again here.

EDGE: Pomona

Lund/Lane/Harris vs FaroneCollin/Weiss - This is the ultimate toss up and what I think the game comes down to. If Lund and Lane are able to keep the same roll going and FaroneCollins /Weiss provide their usual combined double double this game could be really fun. Weiss is the veteran here, but the story is FC. He's been playing at an extremely high level recently and giving them high energy and productivity off the bench. Lund has been doing the same with his uncanny touch and finishing around the rim. If Lane can spring free, and play more free/ think less, that will be a huge hurdle for him. No question both sets of bigs are highly variable and in these game they can be the most juiced which can make them foul prone.

EDGE: Toss Up

Earley/Lynds vs Brandon/Moss/Eyen
The bench always seems to come up huge in this game. From David Brown to Grodahl, to Eyen in the last game we get to see some unsung hero play. Moss is on this list but as a 6th year senior he's seasoned and will play starter minutes. I think Lynds is key. If he can spot Pinson 8-12 minutes in this game with solid - mistake-free ball the Stags will be set at the 1. Earley is huge too - he ends up playing serious minutes and is effective with the motion. He keeps things going and will be key against Pomona as they sag. The bench usually plays better at home

EDGE: PP

This game is so close and is often decided by one or two plays. I think the winner will be the team that has the fewest turnovers and wins the battle of the boards. I like CMS in both those categories. Look for Gaff and Pinson to lead the charge with good efforts from Grodahl, Lund and Earley to seal the win. Pomon wont go down easy though. This will be a game of runs and with McAndrews, Moss, and Cohen Pomona can score with anyone. Let's see how the stags handle the sagging man, the 2-2-1 soft zone into a 2-3 and the plethora of ball screens for the Sagehen guards. Pomona will have to handle the Stags motion, its physical man defense.

CMS wins 71-64
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 09, 2014, 09:53:34 AM
Saturday night SCIAC scores:

Oxy 69, Redlands 66: UR led by 15 at halftime, but Oxy rallied and won it. OC: Johnson 18 and 10 rebs, Montoya 16, Miller 10. UR: Bjekovic 21 and 13 rebs, Peetz 12, Rudd 11.

Pomona 64, Claremont 57: CMS takes first conference loss. 2003 Oxy team members pop champagne. PP: McAndrews 18, Weiss 14, Cohen 11, FaroneCollins 10. CMS: Pinson 28, Gaffaney 14.

La Verne 80, Cal Lutheran 76 OT: Ronn See tied it with 2 FTs in regulation, and scored 5 straight in OT to lead Leopards to victory. ULV: Harrison 19, Newell 16, See 14 and 11 rebs, Roberts 12. CLU: Smith 20, Powdrill 16, Sulker-Hall 13.

Nonconference:

Chapman 78, Whittier 74 OT: WC came back from 17-point halftime deficit, but Chapman won it in OT. CU: Hamasaki 21, Zavrsnick 20, Joyce 17, Dragovich 11. WC: Demusis 24, Landrum 19 and 14 rebs.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bigcat on February 11, 2014, 05:58:43 PM
Hugh game this Wednesday at Oxy as Chapman comes to town. This is a must win for Oxy, as it would give them the tie breaker over Chapman for the season, which could be what it comes down to. Chapman's remaining schedule after Wednesday is much easier than Oxy's. Here are the remaining schedules for the teams fighting for the last spot:

Chapman:
@Oxy
PP
Cal Tech
@La Verne

Oxy:
Chapman
Whittier
@Redlands
@PP

ULV:
@Whittier
@CMS
PP
Chapman

Whittier:
ULV
@Oxy
@Cal Lu
Cal Tech
CMS

Redlands:
Cal Lu
@Cal Tech
@CMS
Oxy

Chapman already has the tie break over Whittier, and currently has it over La Verne. ULV could still beat Chapman at home, but they have an absolutely brutal schedule down the stretch, having to go to CMS and Whittier before coming home to PP and Chapman. Ultimately, I think the winner of the Chapman-Oxy game on Wednesday will be the one who ends up getting in. Redlands is going to need to basically win out to get in. Whittier is still alive, but they likely are going to need  some help down the stretch because they were swept by Chapman.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: West Coast Bias on February 12, 2014, 05:13:32 PM
Good to see the SCIAC getting some love in the West Regional Rankings with both PP (#7) and CMS (#9).

Interesting that both St. Thomas and St. Olaf are ranked ahead of PP. I was trying to figure out what criteria could be used to determine that...

Now assuming that the records are close (St. Thomas 3 losses, CMS 3, St. Olaf 4, PP 4):

I would usually start with head to head results. PP beat St. Thomas. So thats not a top criteria.

Its obviously not because they have superior non-conference scheudles (they only play 5 non league games).

Its not because they have a bunch of great non conference wins (both teams 3-2. Both lost to UWSP, and St. Thomas lost to PP, St. Olaf to Augastana).

I can't imagine that it is a significant SOS disparity, because the MIAC has 2 teams as bad as Cal Tech.

It can't be wins over regionally ranked opponents (PP-2, CMS-1, St. Thomas-1, St. Olaf-0)

I guess the most imprtant factor in regional rankings is who you lost to.

2 of the 3 losses for UST are to ranked teams. 2 of St. Olafs losses are to ranked teams. PP lost to CMS and then 3 non ranked teams. CMS lost to PP and 2 non ranked teams.

That would also explain how Whitworth could be ranked ahead of a Colorado College team that they lost to...TWICE!

Really interesting way of looking at rankings. Winning doesn't matter. It only matters who you lose to.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 12, 2014, 05:19:26 PM
Quote from: West Coast Bias on February 12, 2014, 05:13:32 PM
Good to see the SCIAC getting some love in the West Regional Rankings with both PP (#7) and CMS (#9).

Interesting that both St. Thomas and St. Olaf are ranked ahead of PP. I was trying to figure out what criteria could be used to determine that...

Now assuming that the records are close (St. Thomas 3 losses, CMS 3, St. Olaf 4, PP 4):

I would usually start with head to head results. PP beat St. Thomas. So thats not a top criteria.

Its obviously not because they have superior non-conference scheudles (they only play 5 non league games).

Its not because they have a bunch of great non conference wins (both teams 3-2. Both lost to UWSP, and St. Thomas lost to PP, St. Olaf to Augastana).

I can't imagine that it is a significant SOS disparity, because the MIAC has 2 teams as bad as Cal Tech.
St. Thomas: .512
St. Olaf: .543
CMS: .505
PP: .506

Quote from: West Coast Bias on February 12, 2014, 05:13:32 PM
It can't be wins over regionally ranked opponents (PP-2, CMS-1, St. Thomas-1, St. Olaf-0)

Not part of the criteria for the first week.

Quote from: West Coast Bias on February 12, 2014, 05:13:32 PM
I guess the most imprtant factor in regional rankings is who you lost to.

2 of the 3 losses for UST are to ranked teams. 2 of St. Olafs losses are to ranked teams. PP lost to CMS and then 3 non ranked teams. CMS lost to PP and 2 non ranked teams.
If based on Top 25... rankings mean nothing.
If based on regionally ranked oppnents... that becomes a factor next week.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: West Coast Bias on February 12, 2014, 05:42:13 PM
Thanks D-Mac!

I didn't know the criteria changed week to week. I was just going off of the NCAA D3 Primary Selection Criteria:

(Not listed in Priority Order)
●● Win-loss percentage against Division III opponents.
●● Division III strength of schedule.
-- Opponents' Average Winning Percentage (OWP).
-- Opponents' Opponents' Average Winning Percentage (OOWP).
[See below for explanation of OWP and OOWP calculations.]
●● Division III head-to-head competition.
●● Results versus common Division III opponents.
●● Results versus ranked Division III teams as established at the time of selection.

I was also counting "ranked" opponents as those regionally ranked (not my first rodeo!  :D )

Any way for us to know which criteria the regional committies are using in a particular week?

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 12, 2014, 05:43:40 PM
It's only that the first week there isn't an easy way to share across the eight separate committees the identity of their regionally ranked teams.

After the first week, they can use the previous week as a guide in the regional committee call on Monday and tweak it at the national committee level on Tuesday.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: West Coast Bias on February 12, 2014, 05:47:37 PM
Thanks Pat! That is far too logical and reasonable.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on February 12, 2014, 06:16:21 PM
Colorado College, CMS and (to a lesser extent) PP played fewer games in region.  St Thomas, Whitworth and St. Olaf all played 21 in-region games...PP 20, Colorado college 17, CMS 16. 

Interesting to note that La Verne has a win against a Great Lakes regionally ranked team (OWU).

Looking forward to see what Caltech can do against a regionally ranked opponent tonight.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 12, 2014, 06:42:01 PM
Craig Dunkin will be on the air tonight for Oxy-Chapman.

https://www.facebook.com/oxybroadcast

Quote from: WoostAr on February 12, 2014, 06:16:21 PM
Looking forward to see what Caltech can do against a regionally ranked opponent tonight.

0-13.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bigcat on February 12, 2014, 10:19:38 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 12, 2014, 06:42:01 PM
Craig Dunkin will be on the air tonight for Oxy-Chapman.

https://www.facebook.com/oxybroadcast



OxyBob

Jeez 12 bucks to watch a Division 3 basketball game online...no thank you.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 12, 2014, 11:27:38 PM
Quote from: Bigcat on February 12, 2014, 10:19:38 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 12, 2014, 06:42:01 PM
Craig Dunkin will be on the air tonight for Oxy-Chapman.
Jeez 12 bucks to watch a Division 3 basketball game online...no thank you.

No charge to listen to Craig Dunkin.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bigcat on February 13, 2014, 03:22:03 AM
Chapman pulls out a W at Oxy. SCIAC race now WIDE open with Cal Lu losing and La Verne winning at Whittier. Also, Hamasaki and Zavrsnick are now 1st and 2nd in the conference in scoring...but are still in danger of missing the playoffs. Whens the last time you saw something like that happen?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 13, 2014, 10:59:40 AM
Quote from: Bigcat on February 13, 2014, 03:22:03 AM
Hamasaki and Zavrsnick are now 1st and 2nd in the conference in scoring...but are still in danger of missing the playoffs. Whens the last time you saw something like that happen?

Shivers-Mazarei and the Traveling Freak Show.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 13, 2014, 05:49:00 PM
Another episode of Hoopsville is slated for tonight and Pomona-Pitzer MBB coach Charles Katsiaficas is scheduled to join us along with the following guests:

- #15 Wittenberg MBB coach Bill Brown
- #2 Hope WBB coach Brian Morehouse
- Stevenson WBB coach Jackie Boswell
- Maryville WBB coach Darrin Travillian
- Trinity (TX) WBB coach Cameron Hill
- Nazareth MBB coach Kevin Broderick
- St. Mary's (Md.) MBB coach Chris Harney

Show starts at 7 PM EST and will run at least 2:30 tonight.

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Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: olddog on February 13, 2014, 07:06:15 PM
Congrats to the Bulldogs last night taking down the Regals. It has been a tough year for UR BB , but never gets old beating the Regals in any sport.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on February 14, 2014, 08:46:07 PM
Saturday Preview - great games in conference tomorrow with Championship and Playoff implications.

PP (11-2) @ Chapman (7-6) - Game of the Week. Playing at Hutton is not easy (just as CMS) and Chapman is hitting its stride with Hamasaki and Zaversnick playing as well as anyone in the SCIAC. They are leading scorers in the SCIAC in scoring right now and are starting to get help with Joyce and Dragovic which makes the dangerous. Pomona has had a full week off after their emotional win over CMS and put them square in the race for the regular season title. While they still need some help from CMS they can put the pressure on the Stags by winning out. McAndrews, Cohen, Weiss are all clicking and there are huge contributions coming from Klewer, Moss and most FaroneCollins. This will be a shootout similar to the game @PP earlier that went to OT and was in the 80s and 90s. It'll come down to the last few minutes and I think Pomona wins a close game on the back of McAndrews.

PP wins 81-77

ULV (7-6) @ CMS (11-1)
Great game here with ULV looking to keep pace for the 4th slot and CMS looking to continue winning keeping up in the win column with PP. In the game @ULV, CMS was played close in an ugly first half and broke free with a spurt during the middle of the 2nd half on won on the back of a DOMINATING defensive performance, holding ULV to 31 points before the benches were emptied with 2 minutes to go. Gaffaney got back on track with a good game vs CIT and they received strong performances from Lane, Hall, and Grodahl along with the steady Pinson. This will be a great game and it's also Senior night for Pinson and VanWart. Pinson is one of the most beloved students on campus and I'm sure this will be a fun/emotional game for him with his 4 year as the starting PG for the Stags and leading them through some ups-and downs and 3 SCIAC playoff finals. I think CMS wins a game and they take control late in the 1st half/early 2nd half

CMS wins 69-56

Redlands (5-8) @ Caltech (0-13)
Redlands should cruise after thier CLU win and stay withing shouting distance of the 4th seed

Redlands wins 71-57

Whittier (4-8) @ Oxy (5-8)
This is a must win for both teams to even sniff at the 4 seed. Both teams have been uneven all year and I have no clue what to expect. I think the home team prevails and knocks whittier out of contention.

Oxy wins 74-68
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hoops_lover on February 15, 2014, 02:35:43 PM
stag44 absolutely correct, GREAT GAMES today.

Whittier @ Oxy:
Tough loss Wednesday for Whittier.  I think Whittier wins by seven over Oxy.  Too much athleticism for Oxy as Chapman proved with their guards last Wednesday night.

Redlands @ Cal Tech:
Okay so Cal Tech got pulverized by the odds on favorite to win the conference (who was coming off a loss) BUT that doesn't mean they revert to the past Cal Tech history.  I still think the Beavers are going to get a win and this could be the game.  IMO, Redlands is to up and down.  Tight game with Cal Tech winning in OT.

La Verne @ CMS:
Big wins for La Verne over Whittier and CLU , but the win streak ends here.  I think it will be a battle, but CMS will win by 12.  Senior night congratulations to Pinson and Van Wart.  I thought Gaffaney is a senior too and if he is, congratulations to him also.  I've met Pinson and Gaffaney and they're both class acts (I'm sure Van Wart is too).

Pomona-Pitzer @ Chapman:
The game of the day.  PP will be hosting a 1st round game but against whom (CLU, Chapman or La Verne).  Chapman, with some help, can grab the 3rd spot IF they win out.  If Chapman had made their free throws in their first meeting, they would have won in regulation or the first OT.  We know Mc Andrews, Klewer, Cohen and Weiss will bring their "A" games.  Joyce has really stepped up his play for Chapman and Hamasaki, James and Zavrsnick have been outstanding especially lately.  I see it being the battle of the benches....not so much scoring, but how much of a drop off or uplift occurs when they give each team's starters a breather.  I think Chapman will prevail by five points.   

Good luck to all.

 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on February 16, 2014, 02:07:11 AM
In SCIAC action Saturday night:

Chapman fought 88-83off a late 2nd place Pomona rally 55-49.
game story and recap at   www.chapmanathletics.com
Redlands rallied to beat CIT 76-70.
Oxy beat Whittier in 3 overtimes 88-83.
CMS downed ULV 73-61.

Looks like the final 2 playoff spots will be a battle between Chapman, CLU and ULV, with Oxy and Redlands
not totally eliminated yet. Will make for some interesting final week's games. It seems like on any given
night.......as the saying goes.

PS, enjoyed my Whittier-Chapman game last Saturday at Whittier with (509)Rat. Real nice guy!
PPS, plus K to hoops_lover for his 5 point call on the PP-CU game....CU won by 6....can't get much closer than that!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 16, 2014, 11:24:59 AM
Eyewitness report from Eagle Rock:

Oxy 88 Whittier 83 -- 3 OT

Wacky and zany game went Oxy's way in 3 overtimes.

Close game throughout. Oxy's biggest lead was 5 and WC lead by 7 several times in the first half.

Oxy's Jay Miller hit a jumper with 2 seconds to go in regulation which tied it at 68.

In OT Kris Montoya's 3-pt play after Jacob Porter's foul gave Oxy a 75-72 lead with 2 minutes to go, but Chris Barnes-William matched Montoya with his own 3-pt play after Ty Cobb fouled him with 1:40 to go. Porter had a chance to give the Poets the lead, but he missed 2 FTs with 30 seconds left, and OT ended 75-all.

In the second OT, Oxy took a 4-point lead on FTs by Montoya and Juwan Rice with 4 minutes to go. Porter made a layup to cut Oxy's lead to 81-79 with under 3 minutes left. The teams traded misses until Miller fouled Barnes-William, who made 2 FTs with 10 seconds left, and the second OT ended 81-all.

In the third OT, Chad Tanioka's 3-ball gave Oxy the lead 86-83 with 2 minutes left. After that WC missed several 3-point tries, and Cobb ended the game with a couple of FTs for an 88-83 final.

Some outstanding game performances: For Oxy, Ty Cobb scored 26, and had 17 rebounds, 4 blocks and a steal. Juwan Rice scored 17, Jay Miller had 14, and Chad Tanioka scored 12 on 4 3-balls. For Whittier, Tyree Landrum scored 17, and had 20 rebounds, 5 blocks, 2 steals, and an assist. Chris Barnes-William scored 25, Nick Demusis had 14, and Eric Jennings scored 11.

Oxy broke a 7-game losing streak to Whittier back to 2011. Whittier, which was 4-3 in the conference on Jan. 22, lost its sixth straight.

Oxy (11-12, 6-8 SCIAC) is at Pomona next Saturday. Whittier (10-12, 4-9) is at Cal Lutheran this Wednesday.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bigcat on February 16, 2014, 03:13:53 PM
Huge win for Chapman over PP despite an abysmal night from Hamasaki going 1-10 from the floor. I wasn't at the game but did Michael Cohen not play? Didn't see his name in the box score. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hoops_lover on February 16, 2014, 10:24:36 PM
Thanks dahlby for the k.  How about my call on CMS winning by 12......spot on.  No k for Cal Tech game; missed that one BUT they were up much of the game and tied with 4 minutes to go and down a possession with 8 seconds left.  Also missed on Whittier, but it was a 3 OT game.  I also said benches would make the difference in the PP/Chapman game because Moss had to play more because Cohen was out injured and did a good job guarding Hamasaki, shadowing him on Chapman's offensive end.  stag44 nailed it when he said "huge contributions from Moss, Klewer and Farone-Collins.  He deserves a K for that. 
Bigcat, yes Hamasaki was abysmal because of the defensive effort by Moss/Mc Andrew and the team.  They were focused on him which allowed Zavrsnick and Nick Dragovich more open shots.  Dragovich's shots were falling this time.  Side note: Hamasaki was fouled a few times but did not get the calls.  On the flip side, Hamasaki guarded Mc Andrew most of the second half and he got only got six shots attempts (2-6) because of Hamasaki's defense, not allowing him to receive the pass.  Mc Andrew scored only 9 points for the game; he dropped 32 in the other game.  Both coaches had good game plans, but for Chapman, it was a solid defensive effort for the entire game.....1st time this season.  I'm done!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: (509)Rat on February 19, 2014, 01:00:38 PM
+K to dahlby for lying to everyone and saying I was nice!

Chapman appears to have the easiest road to the playoffs amongst the 3 teams realistically fighting for the last 2 spots. I'd guess Cal Lu and La Verne both go 1-1 to end the season and Chapman finished 2-0 to jump up to 3rd in the standings. If they go 1-1 and tie Cal Lu, I would think Chapman would have the tie breaker? I guess if the conference runs its tie breakers like the NWC...head to head would be a wash, then you'd look at their record against the top of the conference and work down until there is a discrepency. Both 0-2 against CMS, both split with P-P, but Cal Lu was swept by La Verne and Chapman would be 1-1 and therefore get the 3rd seed. Of course, that's probably not how the SCIAC does it and I posted that for nothing.

Looks like we'll know tonight though, with Cal Lu needing to win tonight against Whittier (since I'm assuming everyone is giving them a Loss to CMS on Saturday) and La Verne needing to knock off P-P just to stay alive in the playoff picture

Oh, and FWIW I thought Zavrsnick was the best player on Chapman's team. Very complete game. Offense, defense, inside game, outside shooting. Only one game so it doesn't mean anything but he was impressive.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hoops_lover on February 19, 2014, 03:52:04 PM
+K for (509)Rat for which I agree is the correct tie breaker scenario.  On paper, Chapman has the easiest schedule, but I'm concerned about tonight's game.  Chapman should win by 15-18 points, but I'm not sure how the team will come out tonight.  The game is mental and knowing that you have La Verne Saturday, some on the team could look past CIT tonight and they better not.  Congratulations go out to Nick Dragovich and Brendon Rider on their senior night.  Also congrats to Taylor Hamasaki for setting the team record for most free throws made for the season.  Previous record was 114 in 29 games and Hamasaki has at least tonight and Saturday to add to his numbers.
Tonight's games:
Whittier @ CLU:
IMO game of the night!  Both teams are suffering through losing streaks....Whittier dropped their last four games.  CLU had a solid hold on 3rd and now they may not even get into the playoffs.  Must win for CLU with CMC on the horizon.  I'm going with Whittier by one in a very close game.  I've said that you learn to win by losing close ones and Whittier has had three close ones in a row.
Redlands @ CMC:
CMC will win this one by 9.
Pomona-Pitzer @ La Verne:
Is Cohen playing?  If not PP bench loses some punch.  Both teams need to win, LV more so.  I'm sure there will be some scoreboard watching via live stream.  I can't see LV beating PP, but this game will be close throughout.  I think McAndrew will have a monster game which means PP wins by 6.
 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 19, 2014, 04:16:58 PM
Quote from: Hoops_lover on February 19, 2014, 03:52:04 PM
Whittier dropped their last four games. 

Six straight losses, 2 in OT.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: olddog on February 19, 2014, 04:40:16 PM
Oxy,

How do they determine where the league play off games will be played, men and women?

thanks
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on February 19, 2014, 04:52:49 PM
Down to the last 10 SCIAC regular season games!!

Here's where we stand right now:












Team          Record        Remaining Games
CMS12-1vs Redlands, @ CLU, @ WC
PP11-3@ ULV, vs Oxy
CLU8-6vs WC, vs CMS
Chapman  8-6vs CIT, @ ULV
ULV7-7vs PP, vs Chapman
Oxy6-8@ PP, @ Redlands
Redlands6-8@ CMS, vs Oxy
WC4-9@ CLU, vs CIT, vs CMS
CIT0-14@ Chapman, @ WC

Playoff setup:

CMS and PP are locked in as the top 2 seeds, though who goes 1 and 2 still needs to be determined. CMS is in the driver seat needing only 1 win in their next 3 to seal the top seed and at least a share of the regular season title.

Chapman, CLU and ULV are in a battle for the last 2 spots while Oxy and Redlands would both need to win out and get help from CLU and ULV to squeeze in. I just started doing some of the scenarios and a good portion of this will be sorted out through the PP @ ULV and Chapman @ ULV. All 3 teams control their fate as if any of them win out they have a seat at the table. The 3 and 4 seeds should hopefully be more sorted out after the games tonight!

Here's my quick breakdown of the games tonight:

Redlands @ CMS
It should be a pretty fun / emotional environment at Ducey tonight. This will be the last regular season game played at the fabled gym which will be torn down after hosting the Stags and Athenas for 57 years (the only gym in the school's history). To make it even more special, Redlands Coach Ducey (son of Ted Ducey, who the gym is named after) will also coaching in the gym. There will be a short celebration / event prior to tip that I'm sure will be touching. It's sad to see it go down, but I think new gym in 2 years will be stunning and a huge lift for the program. The upside is that this will for sure not be the last game in Ducey. With a top 2 seed already locked, CMS will be hosting next Friday for sure, and has the opportunity to clinch a tie for the regular season title and the #1 seed with a win tonight. GREAT way to close down Ducey in the regular season. They are countered with Redlands who are playing for their season. They HAVE to win out and also get some help to sneak into the 4 seed. With that I'm sure Ducey is going to be bringing plenty in his bag of tricks to combat the Stags. In their earlier matchup, Redlands played the Stags tough, but a HUGE game and clutch 3 from Pinson along with the best game from Grodahl during conference helped them escape Currier with a win. Redlands was the first team to score easily against the Stags, putting up 76 points (season high given up for Stags) behind big shots from Peetz and double figure scorers. I expect this game to be uptempo and Redlands to pressure and force the Stags into quick shots. If this turns into a grinder, the Stags will overwhelm them. Grodahl should be turning the corner now and I think we will see him back in rhythm with a solid game tonight. All in all, I think the Stags send Ducey out on a positive note, winning a game that is closer than the final score shows.

Stags win 75-65

PP @ ULV
This is probably the game of the night. Both teams are coming off tough losses and need wins to achieve their respective goals: PP to win the regular season title, ULV to qualify for the playoff. I anticipate ULV to come out scorching hot try in their gym and playing with alot of emotion and energy. Pomona, after losing to Chapman, may have resigned themselves to the 2 seed and are now preparing for the playoffs which could make them come out flat. They also may try and get themselves healthy and rested over the next week so they are fresh for the Friday/Saturday tournament which usually is exhausting. I think they will find their groove though through the game and start hitting their shots. In the end, I think this is my upset special as Ron See, Kendall Marshall, and surprise Weston Newall are going to carry the Leopards above .500 and keep the heat on Chapman and CLU.

ULV wins 67-62

WC @ CLU
CLU needs this win to make their finale against CMS not as pressure-packed. Whittier is playing spoiler in this game as they are eliminated from any contention. I think that this will be a free-flowing up-and-down game. With this style of game and lack of pressure on Whittier i think they are going to play really well or just not care and mail it in. CLU should be very focused and had a week to prepare/rest for this Whittier attack. They are also playing at home which is a 60+ mile trek and who knows how long in LA traffic. I think that Whittier lays an egg, CLU rides Smith and Quintana to a victory. If Powdrill can start figuring out that teams are not fouling him and his method of bowling into the key and trying to muscle points is starting to grow ineffective, he is skilled enough to cause problems for PP and CMS in the tournament.

CLU wins 81-68

CIT @ Chapman
Semi-trap game for Chapman. They are coming off a huge, emotional win over P-P and in control of their fate for the tournament but I think that they will be too focused to let Caltech create any drama in this game. They'll be focused and execute, winning game with 1 big run in each half. Zaversnick has really emerged this season as a top-flight player for the Panthers along with Hamasaki. He's leading the SCIAC in conference scoring and putting up scoring splits extremely similar to Gaffaney. His performance should garner him 1st team accolades, probably along with Hamasaki.

Chapman wins 72-51
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on February 19, 2014, 04:55:10 PM
Quote from: olddog on February 19, 2014, 04:40:16 PM
How do they determine where the league play off games will be played, men and women?

On Friday the 28th, the top 2 seeds will host the games. If the top teams are from the same school, I'm not sure how the timing will work, especially given the new Saturday set-up for Men at 5, Women 730.

The highest remaining seed will host the games on Saturday
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on February 19, 2014, 06:15:25 PM
regional rankings second weekend out now.  http://www.ncaa.com/rankings/basketball-men/d3

Interesting that CMS with a win fell out and PP with a loss held their spot.  Someone mentioned that wins against other ranked teams became part of the equation this week...could be the reason?

Caltech blew a tough one against Redlands at home this past weekend, would be huge for this team to get a conference win headed into next year...would love to see Caltech utilize their size in the post more...they have talent in the post, but can't get the ball inside...we will see how they do on the road tonight.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on February 20, 2014, 01:26:18 AM
And with tonight's results, we have our SCIAC playoff teams set:

CMS, PP, CLU and Chapman are in - now it's just a matter of seeding.

CMS beat Redlands 74-63 behind 21 from Gaffaney and 6 others with 7 to 9 points. Great team effort. With that the Stags clinch at least a share of the conference title and according to my math the #1 seed for the conference tourney!! NICE JOB STAGS!!

PP ended La Verne's playoff hopes with a 65-59 win @ the SuperTent with McAndrews leading the way with 32 points. No Cohen again, I'm guessing it is his ankle that's been an issue since he started at PP. Kats has really narrowed his rotation with only 8 guys seeing minutes. Good effort and season from ULV and some things to build on for next year.

CLU jumped on Whittier early and coasted to a 68-56 win having 5 players reach double figures. CLU now plays CMS for a shot at the 3 seed. If they win, they get the 3 seed, if not they are the 4 seed (regardless of Chapman losing to ULV).

Chapman turned it on in the 2nd half to pull away from CIT with an 89-69 win shooting 41 free throws and getting 20+ from Zaversnick and Hamasaki. This was a one point game at half that Chapman put away after the break. They are in an interesting situation as they do not control their fate at all to be the 3 or 4 seed. In either tie situation (win or lose) they will be seeded based on the CMS @ CLU game.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: (509)Rat on February 20, 2014, 03:56:02 AM
Go stags

right dahlby?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on February 20, 2014, 10:13:06 AM
Yup!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hoops_lover on February 22, 2014, 04:53:36 PM
We know the final four for next week's SCIAC Tournament, but the seeds have yet to be determined.  Chapman has no say whether they finish 3rd or 4th.  Tonight's games:
Cal Tech @ Whittier:
Whittier should win handily, but wait, I don't think so.  This team is so up and down, they're hard to predict.  If Cal Tech is going to win a game, it's this one...depending on how the officials call the game.  Logically, Whittier wins by 20-25 points, but I'm going with Cal Tech by three.
Chapman @ La Verne:
Senior (and alumni) night for La Verne.  Because La Verne plays with a lot of emotion, tonight, they'll give Chapman problems.  I don't think the seniors want to go out on a losing note.  Therefore, it's how Chapman comes out and plays.  They need to win and a CLU loss puts them in 3rd vs. PP.  How Chapman comes out mentally will decide this game.  They have a few players who allow calls, physicality and frustration get to them.  Because they're on a good roll, I'm picking Chapman by four, the game being a battle especially in the second half.
Oxy @ Pomona-Pitzer:
Pomona-Pitzer wins by 14.
CMC @ CLU:
CLU wins and their in 3rd, however, CMC needs the win to clinch the regular season title.  I think that this will be an double overtime game with CMC edging CLU by five.  CLU has a good live stream which I'll be following tonight.

CONGRATULATIONS TO ALL SENIORS.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on February 22, 2014, 10:09:14 PM
CMS wraps up another SCIAC championship with a 77-56 victory over 4th place finisher CLU.
PP takes second with a 63-53 decision over Oxy.
Chapman "eeked" out a final seconds 68-65 win over ULV to take 3rd place.

Looks like CMS will host CLU, and Chapman will travel to PP in the first round of the SCIAC Tourney.

Whittier beat CIT.

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 23, 2014, 10:59:25 AM
Eyewitness report from Thousand Oaks:

Claremont 77, Cal Lutheran 56

Took in the CMS-CLU game, which was supposed to be important to CLU. stag44 in attendance. Paltry CLU crowd. Not counting the CLU women's team there were more cheerleaders than students in the stands.

There's no doubt that Claremont is the class of the SCIAC. The Stags surgically dismantled CLU. Claremont ran its motion offense to perfection, and Cal Lutheran was powerless to stop it. Lots of CLU heads on swivels = Lots of easy layups for CMS. For anyone playing Claremont in the playoffs, here's one helpful scouting tip: Don't leave Remy Pinson open from the wing on the left side. The only apparent team weakness Claremont has is shooting FTs, worst in the conference.

Claremont shot 65% in the first half and led 45-25 at halftime. CLU showed a little bit of fight in the second half but just tread water. Unless Cal Lutheran was playing possum to lull Claremont into a false sense of security, it'll be more of the same when the teams play in the Temple of Doom on Friday.

CMS: Gaffaney 23, Pinson 14, Lane 12 and 10 rebs, Harrington 10
CLU: Palmer 13, Powdrill and Smith 11 each

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: westcoastwilliam on February 25, 2014, 12:55:13 PM
Good article on Nevada Smith, former coach of Keystone College (D-III), and the continued rise of analytics in basketball.

http://grantland.com/features/nba-dleague-rgv-vipers-houston-rockets-future-of-basketball/ (http://grantland.com/features/nba-dleague-rgv-vipers-houston-rockets-future-of-basketball/)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 25, 2014, 02:07:26 PM
Quote from: westcoastwilliam on February 25, 2014, 12:55:13 PM
Good article on Nevada Smith

Traveling Freak Show, NBA style. Nothing to see here. Move on.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: westcoastwilliam on February 25, 2014, 02:18:10 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 25, 2014, 02:07:26 PM

Traveling Freak Show, NBA style. Nothing to see here. Move on.


get off my lawn, oxybob style.

nothing to see in the games tonight either, at least in terms of seeding for this weekend.

redlands by 8 over oxy

cms by 3 over whittier
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hoops_lover on February 25, 2014, 07:15:34 PM
westcoastwilliam, I loved the article (+k).  Morey thinks outside the box, like Presti (OKC) and Buford (Spurs) and this is why these NBA teams, at least the Spurs (especially) and Thunder have been successful. 
It is something to think about for more DIII basketball teams since there's a lack of skilled big guys.  In the SCIAC, Chapman could certainly run this because they have shooters: Zavrsnick, Hamasaki, James (he was on the Marina HS team that set the NATIONAL record for three's in a season) and Jordan Young; bigs who can run: Dragovich brothers and Justin Young and one of the best in SCIAC getting to the rim in Hamasaki.  Who can a coach develop faster, a big guy or a shooter?
Tonight's games:
I think Oxy/Redlands will be close and i'll give to Oxy by four.  Hamane/Tanioka point guard combo will have a say in the outcome.
CMC over Whittier by 13.  Pinson and Gaffaney will combine for 35+ tonight.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on February 26, 2014, 12:48:32 AM
In closing out the SCIAC regular season we had 2 games tonight that had no meaning to the conference playoffs but were players senior nights, and a battle for 6th place in the conference.

CMS d. Whittier 55-54
From the box and play-by-play looked like a great game where CMS led for most of the game but struggled down the stretch as they were held without a field goal the last 6 minutes of the game. They won it on a Pinson FT with 7 seconds to go and then forced a Jennings missed 3 to secure a 15-1 season. Great regular season, but now they must rest up and prepare for a tough test Friday against a hungry CLU team who got embarrassed by the Stags at home on Senior Night.

Redlands d. Oxy 86-84
Redlands sent out their seniors with a win on Senior night. Congrats to both teams on a good year.

The final regular season standings:











CMS15-1
PP13-3
Chapman10-6
CLU9-7
Redlands7-9
ULV7-9
Oxy6-10
Whittier5-11
Caltech0-16

SCIAC Playoff Friday - Games are at 7:30PM
CLU @ CMS
Chapman @ PP

Both games played within a 2 minute walk of each other. I'm sure both will be great games! Preview to come tomorrow or Thursday
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 26, 2014, 02:31:21 PM
Quote from: stag44 on February 26, 2014, 12:48:32 AM
Redlands d. Oxy 86-84
Redlands sent out their seniors with a win on Senior night. Congrats to both teams on a good year.

Oxy ended up 11-14, 6-10 in conference. The Tigers played well at times, and badly at other times, often in the same game. After 9 consecutive winning seasons, including an Elite 8 appearance and 3 SCIAC championships, Oxy has 4 straight under .500 seasons, and 5 of the last 6. Tough going these days in Eagle Rock. Waiting for the next Sam Betty, Finn Rebasoo, Connor Whitman...

Quote from: stag44 on February 26, 2014, 12:48:32 AM
CLU @ CMS

Based on what I saw last Saturday between Claremont and Cal Lutheran, particularly CLU's utter inability to defend against CMS, and the several CLU games I've seen this season, Claremont will win on Friday, and it may not be close.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on February 26, 2014, 07:40:25 PM
New set of regional rankings out http://www.ncaa.com/rankings/basketball-men/d3

CMS up to 7 (from unranked) jumping PP (still ranked 8).

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on February 27, 2014, 04:55:26 PM
SCIAC Playoff Preview

#1 CMS: 20-5, 15-1 in SCIAC
Overview: The Stags come in as the top team through the SCIAC regular season. They had an impressive 20 win season and have lost once since the team broke for winter break. With Coach Scali at the helm, they continue to run their relentless motion offense and rugged defense. Scali has led the Stags to a regular season SCIAC title 5 out of the last 6 years, finishing 2nd the other year. One thing they always hang their hats on is their defense. This year is no different as the Stags are holding teams to 58ppg, have a +9 point differential and keeping teams to below 40% from the field and at 30% from 3. In conference they have stayed consistent with their defense, allowing 58ppg but on 39% and 29% from the field and 3. This year's team has unquestioned guard leadership. Remy Pinson and Tyler Gaffaney are both 4th year Stags and both have started over 90% of the games since their stepped onto campus. They are flanked by a younger supporting cast including the ever dangerous Jack Grodahl, and solid combinations at the 4 and 5 where they have gotten some incredible production this year.

#2 Pomona-Pitzer: 18-7, 13-3 in SCIAC
Overview: The Sagehens are coming into the playoffs playing some great basketball and are looking to be healthy come tip on Friday. They are a vintage Kats team with big time guard shooters, athletic bigs with range and strong experience at all positions. They shoot the around 20 3s a game and also let their opponents shoot the same amount. They have been playing solid defense this year, holding teams to sub 40% in conference and have a +8 scoring margin. Without question the Stags and Sagehens are the top 2 teams in conference. Pomona has had a few games this year where they slip up – losing @ CLU and @ Chapman where poor 3pt shooting and off games from McAndrews hurt them. They are getting stellar performance on the whole from McAndrews, Cohen, Weiss and Klewer though. They should beat a pesky Chapman team and make it to the finals on Saturday.

#3 Chapman: 16-9, 10-6 in SCIAC
Overview: Chapman comes into the SCIAC on a high note, winning their last 5 games and playing their best basketball of the year. With their late spurt, they moved into the 3 seed and get a matchup against Pomona. As all Chapman teams, they run a solid 3 out 2 in system where Bokosky makes most of the calls from the bench. They execute their stuff well and often get great shots out of their motion. They are a bit different this year as the bulk of their offensive firepower is coming from their guards. Taylor Hamasaki and Colin Zaversnick lead the charge and are both nearly 18ppg+ scorers in conference. They are big time shooters and make tough shots and while Hamasaki was hot at the beginning of the year Zaversnick has come on strong lately and is really playing at a high level. Defensively they play strong and physical but are slightly outsized at most positions. They are a dangerous team in this tournament and could cause some fits for Pomona in the game Friday night. 

#4 Cal Lutheran: 18-7, 9-7 in SCIAC
Overview: CLU comes into the playoffs hitting a few bumps in the road. They have lost 3 of their last 4 and nearly lost to Caltech the game before that. This was all after their upset win vs Pomona that put them in a virtual lock for the playoffs. They are arguably the most individually talented team in the playoffs but watching them play on Saturday showed that they may not be the most cohesive team. In the playoffs, this is a dangerous team as they can all band together and if they click are very difficult to beat. They are led by Arik Smith and Coltrane Powdrill a 2/4 combo. Smith is a WIAC transfer who wanted to move closer to home and has performed extremely well in his first SCIAC year. Powdrill is a local as well who transferred from Moorpark and has been an effective scorer for the Kingsmen. They run their rugged 3 out 2 in system with high-low action. This year they have added some more ball screen action for Smith and have created open 3s for Palmer, Smith and Wade.


Semifinal Matchups:
CLU @ CMS:
CMS took it to the Kingsmen on Saturday, and it seemed like a statement game as the first half the Stags blitzed CLU 34-11 run going into the 2nd half. In the second half the lead swelled to 28, before settling around 20 for the rest of the game. It looked like CLU was disinterested after getting down big, but they had some renewed energy behind Powdrill in the 2nd half. This game will be decided on the defensive end of the floor. The Stags have been strong in holding teams below their season average and taking away their initial threats, and will look to do so again by taking away Smith, Powdrill and Palmer. I'm sure Scali will watch the film and find a few more nuggets to make them even more prepared for this game. The atmosphere should be awesome as every game at Ducey here on is potentially the last one. CLU will have to find a way to slow the motion and I have a feeling that Rider is going to do 3 things: press, try physical and push the guards, and switch defenses. We'll see some zone, some switching, and some physical man from the Kingsmen to keep the Stags guessing and uncomfortable.  In the end I think the Stags have home court advantage, are playing at a really high level, and don't want to leave Ducey on a loss.
CMS take care of CLU 69-58

Chapman @ P-P
This game is going to be VERY interesting. Pomona is coming in playing really well, but their last loss was to Chapman. Chapman comes in playing arguably the best basketball in the SCIAC. Both coaches are veterans and have been in big games, but Chapman has yet to play in the SCIAC tournament and most of the team has not played in an elimination game. It should be a fun atmosphere and I think the game will come down to the post play. McAndrews and Zaversnick are both going to have good games. Will Hamasaki or Cohen be the key player or is it coming elsewhere? I think Weiss and Klewer are going to have strong games and ride their home court to a win. It's going to be a great and close game but home court in the playoff is a HUGE role. Since the start of the playoffs the road team has gone 2-16, with both wins coming in the first year of the tournament.
P-P squeaks by Chapman 65-62


Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bigcat on February 27, 2014, 05:15:47 PM
I'm taking CMS over CLU 75-64 and Chapman to pull off the upset at PP 64-63.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hoops_lover on February 28, 2014, 03:51:21 PM
I LOVE stag44's breakdowns. 
I'm along the lines of Bigcat's predictions.  I agree that CMS will beat CLU but I think a little closer, CMS by seven.  CLU can win this game IF they don't make many ANY MISTAKES which will turn into points for CMS and if they can stay MENTALLY STRONG when things begin to go south for them.  I see Powdrill, Smith and Palmer having big games tonight but will that be enough to beat CMS.  They'll need someone else like Quintana or Wade to step up big.   Pinson, Gaffaney and Grodahl are gamers.
I don't think the Chapman game will be as close as Bigcat predicts.  I see Chapman winning by 7-10 points.  All the close games they've had jelled them together and the play of Joyce has coincided with their win streak.  Must give some props to Davis Dragovich also for maturing as the season went on which equals more PT.  Zavrsnick has been playing really well lately and James has been very steady and comes up with the big defensive plays and shots when needed.  The key tonight falls within the Chapman inside play, as stag44 mentioned, both on offense and defense.  Can they hang with the Pomona-Pitzer bigs?  The other key for Chapman is Hamasaki.  He's been off the past few games probably because he's been the focus of the other teams game plans.  One thing for sure, he comes up big when needed and he's been doing that since high school.  For Pomona-Pitzer, I'm curious about the health of Cohen.  If he's right, the game will be a toss up because that puts Moss back on the bench, which is a good thing for PP. McAndrew, Klewer and company are not going to make it easy for Chapman.       
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on March 01, 2014, 12:33:02 AM
Chapman over PP 69-54 (game was closer than score).
Box score  at   www.chapmanathletics.com

Cal Lu over CMS 54-53

Chapman will host the ladies final at 5 PM Saturday night and the
men's final, probably at 7:30 PM.

Check the Chapman web site for confirmation.

Any thoughts on CMS getting an at large bid? Sure hope so, as I
think they deserve it!

.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on March 01, 2014, 02:38:00 AM
Arik Smith is a stud!...31 pts with Gaffney on him...heck of a player.

It was a stretch for the SCIAC to get two teams if the top two teams played in the final...losing early won't help the cause...there are lots of deserving teams out there....we can hope that other conference tourneys go according to plan so as to not eat up the pool c bids.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on March 01, 2014, 09:15:07 AM
Quote from: dahlby on March 01, 2014, 12:33:02 AM
Cal Lu over CMS 54-53

Quote from: OxyBob on February 23, 2014, 10:59:25 AM
The only apparent team weakness Claremont has is shooting FTs, worst in the conference.

Claremont 7-for-14 FTs, CLU 11-for-12

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciacguru on March 01, 2014, 11:35:41 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 26, 2014, 02:31:21 PM
Quote from: stag44 on February 26, 2014, 12:48:32 AM
CLU @ CMS

Based on what I saw last Saturday between Claremont and Cal Lutheran, particularly CLU's utter inability to defend against CMS, and the several CLU games I've seen this season, Claremont will win on Friday, and it may not be close.

OxyBob

CMS came in leading the SCIAC in FG% (51%), 3 pt% (41%), and rebound margin (7.2).

Fri night - 40.8% FG, 35.3% from 3, and +2 in rebounding.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: All the Kingsmen on March 01, 2014, 01:51:34 PM
Long time reader, first time poster.
I was at the CLU/CMS game last night and didn't think either team played particularly well early. I thought both teams were tight and CLU got lucky to take advantage of a few key CMS mistakes. CMS never seemed to get into a rhythm. My personal thought is with two guards like #34 and #14 they should have tried to get out and get easy baskets in transition. Their vaunted half court offense hurts them when they get down. They need to work so hard to get shots that when they miss (sometimes a result of playing tight in the postseason) things can spiral in a hurry.
No matter what the shot that Coltrane hit to win the game was a shot that most coaches would be ok giving up with the game on the line. It was well defended and pretty lucky to bank it in for CLU.

The final is going to come down to who controls pace more. CLU can run but wants to be deliberate. Chapman has gone way more uptempo this year but point totals as of late indicate a slower pace. Should be a great one.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on March 01, 2014, 02:26:16 PM
Good to see a CLU poster. Welcome aboard!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hoops_lover on March 01, 2014, 03:40:47 PM
Who would've thought this would happen about three weeks ago? Both teams won at each other's gym with the first game having 24 lead changes, Cal Lu winning. The second game went into OT with Chapman holding on. This one is going to be another close one but I think Chapman wins because of home court advantage meaning that they didn't have to travel twice in 24 hours. Also how much energy did Cal Lu expend in beating CMC last night? Chapman had to exert themselves also but Cal Lu more so. I think that too will affect Cal Lu tonight. We kmow the key players and again who else rises to the occasion? Chapman wins by six.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: (509)Rat on March 01, 2014, 11:18:12 PM
I don't think you are giving 18-22 year old athletes enough credit...who "expended more energy" in the previous game will be the last thing that decides this game.

Chapman wins if they stick to the gameplan. Hamasaki has to get to the FT line because that's where he seems most effective. Chapman also needs to run their half court sets when Hamasaki and Zaversnick aren't running on the break. Against Whittier, Chapman started playing pick-up basketball on the offensive end of the court. They responded to the big Whittier run by playing a lot of 1 on 1 basketball and throwing stuff up early in the shot clock. It was very different from the patient and designed sets they were successful with in the first half. And it didn't work. I know nothing about Cal Lu but it sounds like that if they can speed up the Panthers and make them a little uncomfortable with the pace, they may be able to (ironically) slow down the Panther offense.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldchap on March 02, 2014, 12:28:58 AM
Congratulations to the Chapman's men basketball team for taking their first SCIAC championship in their second full year in the conference! Despite the odds, I hope they have a good run in the NCAA D3 playoffs. And if they don't, the players and the coaching staff can still be very proud of what they accomplished. Great work!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on March 02, 2014, 12:51:12 AM
Chapman takes care of business with a strong showing in  a 78-61 victory against CLU to earn the auto bid.
Game stats and write-up at :

www.chapmanathletics.com

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: All the Kingsmen on March 03, 2014, 11:31:20 AM
Hats off to Chapman. Better game plan, better execution, and better energy levels.
Good luck in the NCAA'S!!! If March is about guard play then Chapman has a puncher's chance.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on March 03, 2014, 01:06:58 PM
Chapman headed to Texas to play UT Dallas...Whitworth in the same pod.

Don't know much about the Texas teams...but at least it's not Whitworth first (or at Whitworth).
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on March 03, 2014, 04:27:46 PM
Quote from: WoostAr on March 03, 2014, 01:06:58 PM
Chapman headed to Texas to play UT Dallas...Whitworth in the same pod.

Don't know much about the Texas teams...but at least it's not Whitworth first (or at Whitworth).
Thanks for the heads up.  Maybe I will sit with the Whitworth crowd and pretend to be OxyBob. :D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on March 03, 2014, 05:20:14 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on March 03, 2014, 04:27:46 PM
Quote from: WoostAr on March 03, 2014, 01:06:58 PM
Chapman headed to Texas to play UT Dallas...Whitworth in the same pod.

Don't know much about the Texas teams...but at least it's not Whitworth first (or at Whitworth).
Thanks for the heads up.  Maybe I will sit with the Whitworth crowd and pretend to be OxyBob. :D


Surprised OxyBob isn't crying foul because the SCIAC isn't represented in the tourney this year.  :)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on March 03, 2014, 05:38:29 PM
I really felt CMS men deserved a spot.

At least CMS ladies are in the tourney, going to Indiana, with CU ladies going to Walla Wall Washington.
Anyone notice the W/L  records of the ladies' opponents?. (26-1 & 27-1).
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hemingway13 on March 03, 2014, 06:21:00 PM
Hearty congrats to Chapman for their historic championship! One of the great upsets since the SCIAC tourney was instituted.


All the same, CMS fans can be real proud of topping the regular season standings with only a single defeat, which would doubtless be preferable to watching the defending champs unable to win even half of our games.


Good luck in Texas, Panthers!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hemingway13 on March 03, 2014, 06:37:34 PM
Any thoughts on the SCIAC David Wells player of the year and Newcomer of year?


Used to be a lot easier task when Chris Blees was at CMS!   8-)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on March 03, 2014, 06:48:51 PM
Quote from: Hemingway13 on March 03, 2014, 06:37:34 PM
Any thoughts on the SCIAC David Wells player of the year and Newcomer of year?


Used to be a lot easier task when Chris Blees was at CMS!   8-)

No question POY is Tyler Gaffaney

Newcomer should be Arik Smith or Coltrane Powdrill from CLU

Good luck to Chapman in the tourney! UT Dallas is tough but playing neutral should help some. Was hoping CMS could squeak in an at large, but think they need to schedule more D3 games against quality talent instead of GSACs for that at-large possibility.

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hemingway13 on March 03, 2014, 07:10:04 PM
Stag44,
Those are good calls, I reckon. Tyler's been headed for this honor since garnering First Team All-SCIAC as as a Soph.


Cal-Lu is looking solid for next season with those two guys and Corey Quintana.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on March 03, 2014, 08:29:52 PM
Quote from: stag44 on March 03, 2014, 06:48:51 PM
Quote from: Hemingway13 on March 03, 2014, 06:37:34 PM
Any thoughts on the SCIAC David Wells player of the year and Newcomer of year?


Used to be a lot easier task when Chris Blees was at CMS!   8-)

No question POY is Tyler Gaffaney

Newcomer should be Arik Smith or Coltrane Powdrill from CLU

Good luck to Chapman in the tourney! UT Dallas is tough but playing neutral should help some. Was hoping CMS could squeak in an at large, but think they need to schedule more D3 games against quality talent instead of GSACs for that at-large possibility.



Gaffney will win POY...Arik Smith should win newcomer of the year, I actually think he's the best player in the conference...he definitely outplayed gaffney in the semi-final (doesn't count for poy consideration).

CMS (and the majority of the SCIAC) schedule very poorly.  Caltech and La Verne consistently schedule pretty well in terms of playing NCAA games...between the two of them they played one non-NCAA game this season.  Only teams in the SCIAC with a SOS over .500 this year were Occidental and PP with .501 and .508...part of the problem for the SCIAC is playing each other, since a good portion of the conference doesn't play other ncaa teams, much less regional teams.  Compare that to the wiac who have 9 teams (entire conference) with a SOS over .540...the SCIAC needs to get out of its own way at some point right??
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: (509)Rat on March 03, 2014, 10:22:40 PM
CMS played a few NWC teams. But you can't get clobbered by Pacific and expect a pool C bid.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hoops_lover on March 04, 2014, 04:12:46 AM
Quote from: (509)Rat on March 01, 2014, 11:18:12 PM
I don't think you are giving 18-22 year old athletes enough credit...who "expended more energy" in the previous game will be the last thing that decides this game.

(509)Rat, gotta challenge you on your quote.
"Expending energy" did have a part to do with the outcome of the game along with Chapman playing their BEST overall game of the season.  Previous posters have said that CMS sets a lot of screens is physical on defense and the offense they run is very tough to defend.  Well this takes a lot of energy to build a lead and hold onto it on both ends of the court.  Following the game, CLU left CMS around 10pm, drive back to Thousand Oaks, eat, and do whatever so most of the guys shut down around 1:00am.  Wake up around 9:00am, possibly have breakfast, did they have a shoot around, did they have to study some and on top of that had at least a two hour bus ride in the pouring rain and don't forget they had a long bus ride in the rain on Friday. 

Chapman probably had a shoot around and then went back home ate and rested....no packing and no bus ride.

(509)Rat, I give all these athletes a lot of credit for keeping up with their studies and playing their sport.  The circumstances that CLU had to face were daunting and if they had beaten Chapman, I would have been the first to congratulate them.  NBA players have difficulty with back to back games.

Chapman is on a roll and as mentioned previously, played their best basketball of the season in front of a LOT of student support.  It was pretty electric in the gym.  Good luck to them in Dallas.

We're all discussing SCIAC awards.  Here's my two cents:  I think Gaffaney is POY but I'm giving some love for McAndrew.  What a good ballplayer he is.  Next year is going to be great for this conference because of some great returning players and perhaps five very solid teams vying for the title and we'll get TWO TEAMS into the NCAA's.
Newcomer of the year I'd have to agree with the latest posts its Arik Smith with Powell a close second.  Give some love for Lango of Cal Tech and a late charge from Joyce of Chapman.
1st team: McAndrew (PP), Hamasaki and Zavrsnick (Chap), Pinson (CMS), See (LV), Powdrill (CLU).
2nd team: Demusis (Whit), Dragovich (Chap), Klewer (PP), Montoya (Oxy), Grodahl (CMS).
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: (509)Rat on March 04, 2014, 11:27:00 AM
You just described every weekend in the NWC. I just don't see what is so "difficult" about that.  I did forget about the rain and it's effect on the fragile Southern Californian's psyche... ::)

I blame the rain
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on March 04, 2014, 12:31:02 PM
Quote from: (509)Rat on March 04, 2014, 11:27:00 AM
You just described every weekend in the NWC. I just don't see what is so "difficult" about that.  I did forget about the rain and it's effect on the fragile Southern Californian's psyche...

I blame the rain

We had to ride on a bus! In the rain! Good God Almighty, what a lame excuse. Even lamer than the lame CCIW excuse, "We had to fly on a plane across two time zones!" which they haul out every time they lose a game on the West Coast.

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Quote from: Hoops_lover on March 04, 2014, 04:12:46 AM
Give some love for Lango of Cal Tech and a late charge from Joyce of Chapman.

Oxy's Andrew Johnson had a better season than both of those guys.

Too bad a lucky bank shot kept the SCIAC's best team out of the tournament.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: All the Kingsmen on March 04, 2014, 02:34:07 PM
CLU just didn't play well. Sadly it has been a hallmark of the program as of late. I tend to think we have been one of the most talented teams in the SCIAC over the last 5 - 8 years and we have very little to show for it.
If a bus ride to Orange County is a major hurdle with a NCAA tournament berth on the line then there are serious issues. I just think Chapman was better prepared and we shot our wad the night before.

Switching gears:
Lango at Cal Tech is tough but doesn't get much done. Runs around, looks like he is playing really hard but doesn't make plays. That is based of a game and a half I saw of him so I am willing to be wrong there. Oxy seems like they could be dangerous. I guess I could look it up but one of the CLU coaches told me that they started 2 or 3 freshmen and played 2 or 3 more or something like that.
What will Redlands be like next year?
Is PP the favorite?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: (509)Rat on March 04, 2014, 03:38:22 PM
Quote from: All the Kingsmen on March 04, 2014, 02:34:07 PM...we shot our wad the night before.

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Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on March 04, 2014, 04:04:14 PM
Quote from: All the Kingsmen on March 04, 2014, 02:34:07 PM
Runs around, looks like he is playing really hard but doesn't make plays.

Pretty much describes wildcat11's career.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hoops_lover on March 04, 2014, 04:06:48 PM
Oxy Bob, I apologize stand corrected, I should have mentioned Andrew Johnson and yes over the long haul he performed better than Joyce and Lango both of whom I saw play more.  Lame excuse for the bus ride????  I'm saying that was a PART of it. 

(509)Rat, absolutely agree with your point about NWC.  Some So Cal kids who go away to college cannot deal with inclement weather....too spoiled by the sunshine we get most of the time.  This is why many (I'm not talking about athletes only) of them come back "home" especially from the Midwest because of weather.  You'd think they would have figured it out when they took a visit.....oh but I forgot that some kids these days have no clue where a state is on a map.  Personally I like it when it rains.

All The Kingsmen, agree with dahlby, welcome aboard.  Everyone seems to be focusing on the bus ride, but I think it was only a part of it.  As you said and I agree, they shot their wad vs. CMS.  I'm sure Chapman was better prepared but I don't think anyone outside the team could've predicted that performance.  They play like that this weekend, Chapman has a great chance to be playing in the Sweet 16.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wildcat11 on March 04, 2014, 04:16:16 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on March 04, 2014, 04:04:14 PM
Quote from: All the Kingsmen on March 04, 2014, 02:34:07 PM
Runs around, looks like he is playing really hard but doesn't make plays.

Pretty much describes wildcat11's career.

OxyBob

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Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on March 04, 2014, 04:24:19 PM
Quote from: Hoops_lover on March 04, 2014, 04:06:48 PM
Lame excuse for the bus ride?  I'm saying that was a PART of it.

Yes, it is a lame excuse. The interminable hour-and-a-half bus ride didn't hurt CLU when the Kingsmen won at Chapman on December 7. CLU's performance this past Saturday is the date which will live in infamy.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bigcat on March 04, 2014, 04:36:13 PM
As far as next year goes, barring injuries or a stud transfer, Chapman should roll through the SCIAC. They return 4 starters off a conference championship team. The only losses are Dragovich and Rider, who only averages a couple minutes a game anyways. Losing Dragovich will hurt, as he provided toughness and an inside scoring punch. However, I believe Justin Young is more than capable of stepping up and replacing him next year. Cal Lu and PP lose some solid role players but return their big guns (minus Klewer) and should be second and third. Those are the only three teams that I believe have a shot to win the conference next year.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on March 04, 2014, 06:30:45 PM
Quote from: All the Kingsmen on March 04, 2014, 02:34:07 PM

Lango at Cal Tech is tough but doesn't get much done. Runs around, looks like he is playing really hard but doesn't make plays. That is based of a game and a half I saw of him so I am willing to be wrong there.


This definitely happened at times throughout the year.  I tend to think the over-dribbling was not entirely his fault as the team (at times) couldn't execute their sets which left him not much to do with the ball, resulting in jacking shots just to beat the shot clock.  Towards the end of the year, his shot selection improved and he over-dribbled less as the team's execution got better in general.  Lango does deserve praise for keeping Caltech's turn-overs down...for a freshman team, they did not turn the ball over as much as I was expecting. 

Caltech has a few games coming up in Europe (Spain) in two weeks...so they get a bit more time to gel before entering the off-season.  Caltech was close the second half of the conference slate...hopefully they put the work in over the course of the off-season to get them over the hump.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on March 04, 2014, 07:39:51 PM
Quote from: Bigcat on March 04, 2014, 04:36:13 PM
Those are the only three teams that I believe have a shot to win the conference next year.

Is Gaffney back next year?  I've heard rumors he's playing as a grad student next year.

Either way CMS will be in the hunt.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: (509)Rat on March 04, 2014, 07:58:00 PM
Anybody who thinks a bus ride had anything to do with a loss didn't play sports in college.

I don't know how many bus rides I made in multiple sports only to get off the bus and beat the living tar out of somebody or win my event/conference championship. And those were 5-7 hour trips...not 1 and a half down I-5.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hemingway13 on March 04, 2014, 08:34:39 PM



Oxy Bob,
As usual, you are right on the money with your comment.

What will Redlands be like next year?
Not likely to show great improvement on our 7-9 SCIAC record with most of best players graduating ------will especially miss the leadership Alex Rudd who was 1st Team All-SCIAC last season.

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hoya86 on March 04, 2014, 10:36:00 PM
First, congrats to all of the teams on an excellent season.  Lots to be proud of and much to look forward to next year with the very strong group of returning players.

CMS, the Conference Champion (the team with the highest percentage of wins following the regular season) returns 4 starters but loses Pinson and their home court Ducey.  Nonetheless with Gaffaney returning for a fourth year and an experienced supporting crew, and more size on the way, I think they will be in the mix again next year.

Regarding CMS's shot at an at-large bid, in my opinion strength of schedule was a deciding factor at just under .500 (for D3 games).  Among the last 10 regionally ranked teams looking for Pool C slots CMS had the highest win ratio but the lowest SOS.  Lots of different ways to look at the at-large process: I liked this analysis from Sac on the Pool C board.

"Presumed last available teams in their respective regions

Middlebury (NESCAC) - .640/.562/3-6   Northeast #11---not at the final table
NYU (UAA) - .640/.546/0-6   East #6
William Paterson (NJAC) - .778/.528/4-3   Atlantic #4
Stevenson (MACC) - .704/.531/4-3   Mid-Atlantic #5
Birmingham-Southern (SAA) - .630/.553/4-3   South #6
DePauw (NCAC) - .692/.545/4-5   Great Lakes #5
Carthage (CCIW) - .625/.599/4-7   Midwest #6
Claremont-Mudd-Scripps (SCIAC) - .818/.496/1-1  West #7

Last 3 in?

Ohio Wesleyan (NCAC) - .741/.541/3-5   Great Lakes #7
Springfield (NEWMAC) - .731/.567/2-4   Northeast #6   
Dickinson (CC) - .778/.529/2-1   Mid-Atlantic #4

I think Springfield might have been the last team in.  It looks to me like the last few selections came down to SOS for those with a winning % over .700"

By this logic, there were 2 teams (Stevenson, Wm Paterson) in front of CMS with winning % over .700 but CMS' SOS was far behind. Calvin, Hopkins, Pacific helped CMS's SOS but CIT (2x), UCSC, and Willamette killed it (7 D3 wins between them.) CMS real SOS is better; they played some very good GSAC teams – Concordia was the best defensive team I saw this year.

Massey Ratings has CMS ranked 45; ahead of Bowdoin (6-4 in NESCAC) and Springfield.  Bennett Rankings have them 49 (fell 27 places, ouch) but still ahead of Bowdoin and Dickinson. 

Lastly, I thought the SCIAC did well against teams in the NCAA tourney.  LaVerne beat OWU, CMS beat Calvin, and but lost to Hopkins by 2.  PP beat St. Thomas and Trinity.  Whitworth did not play any SCIAC teams this year.

Speaking of Strength of Schedule, Texas-Dallas' SOS is not strong (#318).  I look forward to watching Chapman (Conference Tournament Champion) take them on.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bigcat on March 05, 2014, 01:29:51 AM
Quote from: WoostAr on March 04, 2014, 07:39:51 PM
Quote from: Bigcat on March 04, 2014, 04:36:13 PM
Those are the only three teams that I believe have a shot to win the conference next year.

Is Gaffney back next year?  I've heard rumors he's playing as a grad student next year.

Either way CMS will be in the hunt.

Did not know about that...that would certainly shake things up.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: madzillagd on March 05, 2014, 01:32:36 PM
Feel good story of the day

http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/media-center/news/open-gym?division=d3
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hemingway13 on March 05, 2014, 07:37:02 PM
All-SCIAC Awards announced today were mostly what I'd anticipated, except for the lack of an Oxy player given that comparable below .500 teams Whittier and Redlands have two each. Also, if Arik Smith was a Newcomer, can anyone explain why this First-Teamer would miss out on the NOY Award to a Second-Teamer, Coltrane Powdrill?


Anyway, hearty congrats to Powdrill, Tyler Gaffaney for the AOY Award and Remy Pinson for the Ted Ducey honor.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bigcat on March 05, 2014, 07:58:09 PM
Saw the SCIAC awards today. Not sure I agree with See being above Hamasaki and Landrum being above Powdrill. Hamasaki is without a doubt one of the top 5 players in the conference.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hemingway13 on March 05, 2014, 08:27:08 PM
Quote from: madzillagd on March 05, 2014, 01:32:36 PM
Feel good story of the day

http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/media-center/news/open-gym?division=d3 (http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/media-center/news/open-gym?division=d3)


Thanks heaps for the link, madzilla. It reflects positively on the type of athletes who choose to play in the SCIAC.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hoya86 on March 05, 2014, 08:29:26 PM
Quote from: Hoya86 on March 04, 2014, 10:36:00 PM

Lastly, I thought the SCIAC did well against teams in the NCAA tourney.  LaVerne beat OWU, CMS beat Calvin, and but lost to Hopkins by 2.  PP beat St. Thomas and Trinity. 


I forgot that PP also beat Hopkins.  3 wins for Sagehens v. non conference teams in the bracket.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: westcoastwilliam on March 05, 2014, 08:48:59 PM
For the lazy:
http://www.thesciac.org/sports/mbkb/2013-14/releases/20140304gyv8sk (http://www.thesciac.org/sports/mbkb/2013-14/releases/20140304gyv8sk)


Athlete of the Year          Tyler Gaffaney, Sr., Claremont-Mudd-Scripps
Newcomer of the Year     Coltrane Powdrill, Jr., California Lutheran
Ted Ducey Award             Remy Pinson, Sr., Claremont-Mudd-Scripps

All-SCIAC First Team
Colin Zavrsnick, Jr.          Chapman
Tyree Landrum, Sr.         Whittier
Arik Smith, Jr.                  California Lutheran
Remy Pinson, Sr.             Claremont-Mudd-Scripps
Ronn See, Sr.                  La Verne
Kyle McAndrews, Jr.         Pomona-Pitzer

All-SCIAC Second Team
Taylor Hamasaki, Jr.        Chapman
Aljosa Bjekovic, So.         Redlands
Nick Demusis, Jr.             Whittier
Coltrane Powdrill, Jr.       California Lutheran
Eric Radford, Sr.              Redlands
Jake Klewer, Sr.              Pomona-Pitzer

Congrats to all those who were honored. Specifically, it was great to see Gaffaney come back from his injury and lead a young CMS team to the league title. Should be even more fun to watch him next year.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: westcoastwilliam on March 05, 2014, 09:12:19 PM
Quote from: Hemingway13 on March 05, 2014, 07:37:02 PM
Also, if Arik Smith was a Newcomer, can anyone explain why this First-Teamer would miss out on the NOY Award to a Second-Teamer, Coltrane Powdrill?

Your guess is as good as mine.

Saw Arik play live in the semi's against CMS, which was one of the most impressive performances I have seen at the DIII level. Dictated the entire game, and had an answer for everything CMS threw at him defensively. Can't recall the last time anyone went for over 30 against CMS. Should be a great matchup next year with Gaffaney.

Quote from: Bigcat on March 04, 2014, 04:36:13 PM
As far as next year goes, barring injuries or a stud transfer, Chapman should roll through the SCIAC. 
Quote from: Bigcat on March 04, 2014, 04:36:13 PM
Cal Lu and PP lose some solid role players but return their big guns (minus Klewer) and should be second and third. Those are the only three teams that I believe have a shot to win the conference next year.

Settle down there Cat...maybe sit the next couple of plays out. Chapman ended the year on a solid run, but could barely beat freakin' La Verne this year, and lost to both Oxy and Redlands. Not exactly the '96 Bulls.

CMS loses one true contributor, albeit a big one in Pinson, but returns everyone else including the POY. Whittier returns 3 of it's top five, and will surely reload with talent as they always do. I expect the bottom half of the league to be horrendous next year, but the top 5 teams should be more competitive than ever.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bigcat on March 05, 2014, 11:31:37 PM


Settle down there Cat...maybe sit the next couple of plays out. Chapman ended the year on a solid run, but could barely beat freakin' La Verne this year, and lost to both Oxy and Redlands. Not exactly the '96 Bulls.

CMS loses one true contributor, albeit a big one in Pinson, but returns everyone else including the POY. Whittier returns 3 of it's top five, and will surely reload with talent as they always do. I expect the bottom half of the league to be horrendous next year, but the top 5 teams should be more competitive than ever.
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This was before I knew Gaffaney was returning. As long as he is playing, CMS will be competitive. But how can you not say Chapman isn't the favorite? They lose one starter and return the 1st and 3rd leading scorer in the conference. They ended the year winning 7 SCIAC games in a row including the tournament, beating PP twice and absolutely demolishing Cal Lu in the championship. This team has always had the talent, it just took them awhile  (and a few coaching adjustments that probably should have happened a little sooner) to learn how to win in this league. I'm not saying they will blow everybody our or even go undefeated, but I just don't see how anyone else can be the favorite at this point.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on March 06, 2014, 01:34:20 PM
Quote from: westcoastwilliam on March 05, 2014, 09:12:19 PM
Quote from: Hemingway13 on March 05, 2014, 07:37:02 PM
Also, if Arik Smith was a Newcomer, can anyone explain why this First-Teamer would miss out on the NOY Award to a Second-Teamer, Coltrane Powdrill?

Your guess is as good as mine.

Saw Arik play live in the semi's against CMS, which was one of the most impressive performances I have seen at the DIII level. Dictated the entire game, and had an answer for everything CMS threw at him defensively. Can't recall the last time anyone went for over 30 against CMS. Should be a great matchup next year with Gaffaney.

From what I understand of the SCIAC voting, each player is put up for each award by their coach...best guess, Rider was convinced Arik Smith would get First team, wasn't sure Powdrill would get second team, so to make sure he got some recognition put him up for newcomer of the year instead of Arik Smith.

I agree with your assessment of Smith's play...it's not often a player comes along that makes the game look so simple.

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on March 06, 2014, 06:35:57 PM
Will any of you be in Dallas tomorrow?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Evolution on March 07, 2014, 05:01:43 AM
I think the Conference nailed their selections for honors.

All of those honored players, and their teammates who pushed them at every practice, and their worthy opponents, deserve a shout out.

Remy was the heart and soul of the conference and has been a joy to watch for four years.

I love the passion Arik Smith has brought to the league.   His performance against CMS may be the best play I have witnessed in the SCIAC.  Love the way he plays the game, total commitment to his team.

I respectfully disagree with others.  I think the 26 hours turn around on games was quite taxing on Cal Lu.  After almost owning CMS on their own court the night before, Arik was a dismal 2 for 10 in the first half against Chapman and only 1 for 5 from threes for the entire game.  It was obvious to me, sitting behind the bench, his legs were exhausted.  Yet he continued to play with abandon.

Arik  is a junior, and a very young junior, having just turned 20 in December.  This is unusual given a common practice now is for parents to hold a player back a year or two in middle school to "game the system".  Of course, I will take the opportunity to point out that the exception is Caltech where a majority of the players have actually skipped grades and enroll at 16 and 17!

It would be grand if Chapman's success surfaces once again in Dallas.  Best wishes in another victory and in representing all of us.

individual work in the offseason could bring some surprises next year.  Still 'Embracing the Evolution' at Caltech.  The evolution, by mere definition, is simply taking more time than the biblical seven days. Patience is a virtue.

Best of luck to all the SCIAC, especially the graduating seniors.

Basketball is a grand game.

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: (509)Rat on March 07, 2014, 11:42:26 AM
QuoteI respectfully disagree with others.  I think the 26 hours turn around on games was quite taxing on Cal Lu.  After almost owning CMS on their own court the night before, Arik was a dismal 2 for 10 in the first half against Chapman and only 1 for 5 from threes for the entire game.  It was obvious to me, sitting behind the bench, his legs were exhausted.  Yet he continued to play with abandon.

Even though they won't because of "academic concerns," maybe the SCIAC should go Friday/Saturday league games. If the short turnaround is so taxing for your players, it's probably why you can't beat NWC teams come tournament time. Teams who play on back-to-back nights all season. Chapman is totally screwed if they get past UT-Dallas (for the record I think they can). But playing again 24 hours later? It's really a slap in the face to competitiveness and fairness. An injustice. How is it fair that they be forced to play the next day when it clearly is not enough time for a young athlete, who trains all year round, to recover? I think we should start a petition you guys.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: elfinley on March 07, 2014, 12:03:02 PM
The schedule and turnaround CANNOT be an excuse. Cal Lu is not the only team that had to face such a schedule. It is the nature of the sport.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on March 07, 2014, 12:48:02 PM
elfinely,
I think (509)Rat had his tongue pushed hard against his cheek  (similar to what D O.C. does).
The young hoopsters can play back to back. Some even have a shoot around Saturday morning.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: madzillagd on March 07, 2014, 12:50:16 PM
Yep, this talk is starting to irritate me.  The issue is not with the turnaround, the issue rests squarely on the shoulders of the coach.  It is up to the coach to make sure his rotation is solid so that he doesn't negativity impact the performance of his players.  There's not a lot of leeway when you win a game by 1 point to say he should have done much differently, but the reality is he played his starters a ton of minutes in Game 1 which means they didn't have much in the tank for Game 2.  That's the choice that was made (and I can't say it was wrong because maybe that's what won the game), but it wasn't the only option available.  Wade played 6 minutes in the first game after averaging 15 mpg throughout the season.  Sulker-Hall played 6 mins in Game 1 after averaging 19 mins a game during the season.  Lynott - 9 mins in Game 1, averaged 20 mpg during the year. 

If you are looking for something that impacted the legs of the players in Game 2 of the tournament, look no further than how Game 1 was coached and how many more minutes guys played.  It is normal to tighten up a rotation in a tournament game so this isn't that surprising to see.  The starters played 3, 3, 5, 13, and 9 more minutes than their averages. Had they not played quite as much, then you likely would have seen a better effort on Game 2 but there is no guarantee they would have won Game 1 if that had happened.   
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: madzillagd on March 07, 2014, 12:59:13 PM
Quote from: (509)Rat on March 07, 2014, 11:42:26 AM
Even though they won't because of "academic concerns," maybe the SCIAC should go Friday/Saturday league games.

The NESCAC goes Fri/Sat for the specific purpose of putting academics first.  Less time away from school travelling during the week.  Not sure why this would be seen as a negative academically. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Evolution on March 07, 2014, 01:03:00 PM
Great discussion points about back to back games.  And perhaps valid about the NW teams being conditioned to go back to back.  It would be nice for the SCIAC to get the first night win in bracket play so we could have the opportunity to play the second night.  (I think Chapman WILL win tonight.)

But the logistics of the Tournament last weekend were difficult.  I am going to guess Cal Lu team was on a bus stuck on rain clogged freeways the majority of time between the two games.  Had Cal Lu won some important conference games earlier they would have been resting in their own beds.  I certainly do not want to detract from the Chapman team's success.  In fact I had lunch with four fellow SCIAC fans and called Chapman's win against CMS earlier in the the day.  My post was only about mY observation--Arik Smith, a phenomenal player, appeared to be "spent" and still played with abandon.

Back to back, Friday/Saturday would be a huge advantage for Caltech.  It would lead to an extra night sleep.  After away games, Caltech eats preordered Subway sandwiches on the bus, all the while working a set of homework problems and work through the night until class the next day.  It's quite simply an accepted way of life--no sleep on Wednesday night.  If games went back to back, Techers would get another day of sleep.

It's easy for me as a spectator to fail to fully comprehend how difficult the last month of conference play can be--for those at the top the competition grows exponentially--and for those at the bottom the disappointment is taxing.  Veteran coaches will take a day off.  When I played, I went back to back on weekend play, and it wasn't that taxing.  Why? Because nothing was expected of me academically! The SCIAC , fortunately, expects academics to be THE priority.

Can't wait for tip-off.  Calling for a SCIAC win tonight, and keeping the faith there are more to come.




Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: madzillagd on March 07, 2014, 02:38:46 PM
Considering how rare it has been for CLU to make the championship game in the last couple decades, not sure why they don't go ahead and stay overnight near the championship site because it isn't like it happens every year.  Common practice among teams/conferences that play in these back to back end of the year tournaments. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Evolution on March 07, 2014, 02:49:55 PM
Quote from: All the Kingsmen on March 04, 2014, 02:34:07 PM
Lango at Cal Tech is tough but doesn't get much done. Runs around, looks like he is playing really hard but doesn't make plays.


Well, respectfully disagree.  As a freshman, Lango, who enrolled at Caltech as a 17 year old, went head to head against veteran point guards and managed to place 5th in league in assists, all the while playing with freshman teammates whose conversion rates will no doubt improve with experience.  Lango also had 18 against a nationally ranked defensive CMS team late in season.

The top three SCIAC freshman players had very similar statistics, considering their positions:
Johnson   11 ppg.      6.7 rebounds.   0.3 assists
Lee.        10.3 ppg.    6.2 rebounds.   2.3 assists
Lango.      8.6 ppg     3.1 rebounds.   3.2 assists


These players are young and still developing.  Hopefully, great things are in the making.  Interesting fact that all three freshmen have better numbers than Gaffney and Pinson had as freshman:
Gaffney.    6.7 ppg.   2.9 rebounds      1.4 assists
Pinson.     7.0 ppg.    2.2 rebounds      2.2 assists

A win tonight by Chapman is what this conference needs today.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciacguru on March 07, 2014, 03:11:51 PM
Quote from: madzillagd on March 07, 2014, 12:50:16 PM
Yep, this talk is starting to irritate me.  The issue is not with the turnaround, the issue rests squarely on the shoulders of the coach.  It is up to the coach to make sure his rotation is solid so that he doesn't negativity impact the performance of his players.  There's not a lot of leeway when you win a game by 1 point to say he should have done much differently, but the reality is he played his starters a ton of minutes in Game 1 which means they didn't have much in the tank for Game 2.  That's the choice that was made (and I can't say it was wrong because maybe that's what won the game), but it wasn't the only option available.  Wade played 6 minutes in the first game after averaging 15 mpg throughout the season.  Sulker-Hall played 6 mins in Game 1 after averaging 19 mins a game during the season.  Lynott - 9 mins in Game 1, averaged 20 mpg during the year. 

If you are looking for something that impacted the legs of the players in Game 2 of the tournament, look no further than how Game 1 was coached and how many more minutes guys played.  It is normal to tighten up a rotation in a tournament game so this isn't that surprising to see.  The starters played 3, 3, 5, 13, and 9 more minutes than their averages. Had they not played quite as much, then you likely would have seen a better effort on Game 2 but there is no guarantee they would have won Game 1 if that had happened.   

During tournament time, the starters will typically play more minutes than normal.  That is a given.  And when faced with a one and done scenario, dont you think it wise to play your best players the most minutes, at the most crucial times?  Did playing the starters major minutes possibly sacrifice energy for the next game?  Probably.  But I dont think Coach Rider and his staff were concerned about Saturday night's energy level.  If they lost on Friday, it becomes a moot point.

And I think it was coaching that won that game for CLU against CMS.  Having watched CLU play several times this year, it looked as if they totally changed their O in preparation for CMS.  Coach Rider is known for his low post play and trying to pound it down low.  It looked as if they opened it up with cuts off the hi-post, that evidently opened things up for Smith (31 pts).


Quote from: madzillagd on March 07, 2014, 02:38:46 PM
Considering how rare it has been for CLU to make the championship game in the last couple decades, not sure why they don't go ahead and stay overnight near the championship site because it isn't like it happens every year.  Common practice among teams/conferences that play in these back to back end of the year tournaments. 

And I would agree it has been rare for CLU or any other SCIAC team to make the championship game the last couple of decades.......since it's only been around for what? 6 years?  And I believe it becomes a cost issue, housing 25 people overnight, when it is only a 1.5-2 hr commute.  The SCIAC is very rare indeed to have such close proximity to ALL of its conference opponents, unlike the rest of the country.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D O.C. on March 07, 2014, 10:05:20 PM
If Chapman is going to rally, I'll miss it because I cannot get the Texas video feed.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: (509)Rat on March 07, 2014, 10:19:03 PM
Chapman got waxed 85-70

Played great for the first 10 min or so. Then I stopped watching. Sounds like refs' stripes were green and orange...Bob Castle made a comment since he stuck around to watch the second game. He's as impartial as they come, usually even during his broadcast, so I believe him.

Whitworth got a private Cowboys stadium tour and hung out with the trail blazers since one of Logie's former Lehigh guys plays in Portland. Hopefully Chapman guys got/get to do something fun. Sounds like they got jobbed a bit tonight. Real unfortunate, especially since what little I saw was two pretty evenly matched teams.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on March 08, 2014, 10:44:11 AM
Quote from: (509)Rat on March 07, 2014, 10:19:03 PM
Sounds like refs' stripes were green and orange...Bob Castle made a comment since he stuck around to watch the second game.

Love Bob Castle, voice of the Whitworthpirates. Wow, bad refereeing. Is that in addition to flying on a plane, riding on a bus, and the temperature of the gym?

Quote from: D O.C. on March 07, 2014, 10:05:20 PM
If Chapman is going to rally, I'll miss it because I cannot get the Texas video feed.

Here are some audio highlights from Chapman broadcaster Herbert Morrison:

http://tinyurl.com/n68em4f

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on March 08, 2014, 11:22:53 AM
OxyBob...Did you actually watch a Chapman game?
Almost glad that I can't open the file you posted.
I thought the Comet announcers did a good job.
The stripes did not affect the outcome of the game!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on March 08, 2014, 11:24:02 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on March 08, 2014, 10:44:11 AM
Quote from: (509)Rat on March 07, 2014, 10:19:03 PM
Sounds like refs' stripes were green and orange...Bob Castle made a comment since he stuck around to watch the second game.

Love Bob Castle, voice of the Whitworthpirates. Wow, bad refereeing. Is that in addition to flying on a plane, riding on a bus, and the temperature of the gym?

Quote from: D O.C. on March 07, 2014, 10:05:20 PM
If Chapman is going to rally, I'll miss it because I cannot get the Texas video feed.

Here are some audio highlights from Chapman broadcaster Herbert Morrison:

http://tinyurl.com/n68em4f

OxyBob
Well said Bob.

The temperature of the gym was quite cool in spite of the largest paid crowd in UTD history, 1,457.

The crowd was a factor in the UTD game, very loud and excited, and familiar with the team.  UTD is a very good technical and science school with a top chess team that recruits worldwide and regularly plays for the national championship. As a consequence there are many students from Asia and India.  At times I felt as if I were in the Mumbai train station.  The Comet's colors are the same as La Verne, so the should have given them some motivation.

Neither of these teams play a Princeton style offense. UTD was able to get Chapman in foul trouble, not all due to the refs, with their fast breaks.   Bob is correct in his observation that the bus ride from DFW airport and staying in a strange hotel must have had a negative effect on the Panthers.  Perhaps the proper SCIAC league champion should have made the tournament and had a better seed.  That being said, the Comets may have worn themselves out doing fast break wind sprints and Whitworth, with a couple of hours more sleep will benefit.  The Pirates had twenty-five, or so, fans at their game, but Chapman only had five or six.

I thought I had the correct local time for both games, but it was midway in the second half of the first game, when I arrived.  I will miss the game tonight.

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: (509)Rat on March 08, 2014, 01:11:16 PM
UTD really started pulling away once they got their transition game going. And Whitworth traditionally travels well. From the video feed it looked like they had a section not much smaller than Trinity's. For clarification, Castle never said the refs won the game for anyone, just that there was a heavy stench of home cooking on a few calls.

I've been in the Calcutta train station and hopefully your analogy isn't true. Otherwise I fully expect the ladies to be squatting over bleachers and taking care of bathroom business right there in the open tonight. I'm also sorry that you were approached by no less than 6 homeless kids begging for rupees. Tonight should be a good one. If UTD attacks Farnsworth like Trinity did and has the same success in transition as they did against Chapman, they win. I hope neither of those things happen.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on March 09, 2014, 12:14:32 PM
Quote from: (509)Rat on March 08, 2014, 01:11:16 PM
For clarification, Castle never said the refs won the game for anyone, just that there was a heavy stench of home cooking on a few calls.

In 27 regular season games, Whitworth averaged 23 FTs/game. In two games in Texas the Pirates shot a total of 19 FTs (7 against Trinity and 12 against UT-Dallas), while Trinity and UTD shot 27 and 38 FTs. Maybe Castle was onto something.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: (509)Rat on March 09, 2014, 01:55:34 PM
Logie sure thought so...his tweet from last night:

"Couldn't be prouder of our team and the way they competed tonight. Shot 54% and held them to 34%. Couldn't overcome 38-12 FTA differential."

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on March 09, 2014, 04:02:19 PM
Quote from: dahlby on March 08, 2014, 11:22:53 AM
Almost glad that I can't open the file you posted.
I heard the file.  It was just a bunch of hot air.  What else would you expect from OxyBob, except he was showing his humanity. :D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: All the Kingsmen on March 13, 2014, 01:16:27 PM
Former CLU front man, Mike Dunlap, is the new head coach at LMU.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on March 13, 2014, 02:26:12 PM
Quote from: All the Kingsmen on March 13, 2014, 01:16:27 PM
Former CLU front man, Mike Dunlap, is the new head coach at LMU.

I hope he is able to recruit the next Damon Ridley and Hank Gathers.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on March 13, 2014, 04:56:20 PM
Quote from: All the Kingsmen on March 13, 2014, 01:16:27 PM
Former CLU front man, Mike Dunlap, is the new head coach at LMU.
Michael Jordan did NOT recommend him.  :P
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: All the Kingsmen on March 14, 2014, 06:13:29 PM
That might be a good thing. Michael isn't exactly the best front office guy ever.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on March 17, 2014, 11:43:24 AM
D3hoops.com 2014 men's All-West Region team: Tyler Gaffaney of Claremont was named to the second team. Well-deserved.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on March 27, 2014, 11:57:36 AM
Caltech is actually still playing...they're in Spain at the moment...got the first international victory in Caltech history 

http://www.caltechbasketballblog.com/2014/03/caltech-earns-first-international-win.html?m=1
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on March 31, 2014, 12:31:09 PM
Update on Caltech's trip abroad...4 games, they went 3-1.

http://www.caltechbasketballblog.com/2014/03/balanced-attack-propels-caltech-to.html

Caltech's bigs Laurence Lee and Nasser al Reyes grew up playing with international rules.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: madzillagd on April 02, 2014, 06:33:22 PM
Not exactly the Colby bench celebration highlights but there is some basketball....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EzKhCXK2jo&app=desktop
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciacguru on April 02, 2014, 09:50:11 PM
Quote from: madzillagd on April 02, 2014, 06:33:22 PM
Not exactly the Colby bench celebration highlights but there is some basketball....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EzKhCXK2jo&app=desktop

Oxy vs Redlands.......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0UJRuFjZRs
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: madzillagd on April 07, 2014, 12:47:11 PM
CLU's Derrick Clark rumor...


http://www.hoopdirt.com/blog/f2a84cec/daily-dirt-4-7-14/
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: madzillagd on May 27, 2014, 12:21:34 PM
SCIAC-heavy article on Popovich

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/26/sports/basketball/revered-in-nba-spurs-leader-remembers-his-california-roots.html
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Grutte Dirk on May 28, 2014, 08:10:08 AM
Quote from: pointlem on May 26, 2014, 09:21:33 AM
Former DIII players and coaches now coaching in the NBA:
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/26/sports/basketball/revered-in-nba-spurs-leader-remembers-his-california-roots.html?ref=todayspaper
"Popovich was one of the few coaches to leave the SCIAC. The conference's coaches earn a salary in the range of $80,000 to $120,000..."

Really?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on May 28, 2014, 12:22:30 PM
I remember that Pomona played a game at Kansas because of his connections.  I forget the details.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: madzillagd on May 28, 2014, 04:41:53 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on May 28, 2014, 12:22:30 PM
I remember that Pomona played a game at Kansas because of his connections.  I forget the details.

Interesting.  Had to look this up because my brother's PLU team also played Kansas. 

12/1/1987 Kansas 94, Pomona 38
12/7/1988 Kansas 112, Pacific Lutheran 61
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: elfinley on June 06, 2014, 02:47:48 PM
Hope everyone is having a great start to their summer!

It is already June, October will be here before you know it. Any word on how recruiting went for any of the SCIAC teams?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hoya86 on June 06, 2014, 10:45:47 PM
D3bballrecruits.com. has a fair amount of SCIAC class info.  Added bonus...some cool d3 logos.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bigcat on July 04, 2014, 08:51:42 PM
Thanks Hoya86, looks like some solid info. I noticed Chapman was bringing in 11 guys?!?! Didn't they only have two seniors? I don't think any other SCIAC team had over five recruits coming in. Wonder how that's going to work out.  Also does anyone know what the deal is with John Joyce? I heard he only has one semester of eligibility left, how does that work?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on October 17, 2014, 10:53:10 AM
Happy 1st week of practice!! I'm excited to see how the season plays out for everyone - as always I think the Stags are top dogs in the conference and have a sour taste in their mouth after getting upset by CLU in the last game at Ducey. They'll be playing their games at Pomona this year which should be interesting. I think P-P, CLU and Chapman should also all be solid. I have no clue on Oxy, WC, ULV, Redlands or CIT, but assume they will all be historically in line with their recent past.

Would love to hear any early season previews!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on October 17, 2014, 06:17:52 PM
Caltech students are finally back in session...haven't seen any practices, but it appears that the lot of Freshman (now sophomores) spent a lot of time in the weight room during the Summer.  Not typical of Caltech basketball players.

Also of note is the Caltech schedule http://gocaltech.com/sports/mbkb/2014-15/schedule

Caltech is opening the season on 11/15 with a non-conference game against Oxy...looks like Oxy picked up a couple transfers...pretty excited about that game!

Also of note, every game Caltech scheduled is NCAA D3 with a large number of in-region non-conference games....kudos for good scheduling!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on October 23, 2014, 01:56:59 PM
Great to see the CMS and Chapman getting some pre-season poll love - Stags at 26 and Chapman at 27. Let's hope both teams can keep the momentum through their non-conference.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on November 07, 2014, 01:50:33 PM
Caltech's roster up  http://gocaltech.com/sports/mbkb/2014-15/roster

Ty Ochse was an all-state honorable mention in Arizona and Southern Arizona all-star...great addition for Caltech.

Caltech playing an exhibition at Cal State Fullerton this Saturday.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 7express on November 09, 2014, 09:53:30 PM
http://d3hoops.com/teams/Caltech/Men/2014-15/index

Is there any reason why Cal Tech is playing 3 games with Occidental or is that just a mistake by D-3 on the schedule??
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on November 09, 2014, 10:40:52 PM
Oxy web site shows 2 conference games, and 1 pre-conference tilt with Cal- Tech.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on November 10, 2014, 12:38:19 PM
I think it's an attempt to get a bit of a rivalry going -- the two teams don't really like each other and proximity makes for a bit of a natural rival.  Also, Oxy is probably looking to get off to an easy start and Caltech probably thinks they can get a win out of the gate.  From what I gather, this is going to be a yearly tip-off switching locations each year.

Tip off this Saturday 11/15 is at 7pm -- if you show up before hand there will be food outside.

5 more days until some real action!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on November 10, 2014, 12:59:06 PM
Also, here's a write-up on Caltech's game against Cal State Fullerton.

http://www.fullertontitans.com/sports/m-baskbl/2014-15/releases/20141108nzas7v

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on November 12, 2014, 06:10:26 PM
D3Hoops Pre-Season All Americans out..

Congrats to Chapman and Colin Zaversnick as he made the 3rd team!

Very shocked/surprised that Tyler Gaffaney was not on the list though. I'm guessing that everyone thought he was graduated when in fact he back.

Great to see that the conference was represented. VERY Excited to see the season start on Friday!

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on November 16, 2014, 11:23:49 AM
Quote from: WoostAr on October 17, 2014, 06:17:52 PM
Caltech is opening the season on 11/15 with a non-conference game against Oxy

Oxy 90 Caltech 81

In the first half the game was tied 25-25 at 9:10. Oxy went on a 9-0 run and led the rest of the way.

Oxy: Juwan Rice 20 pts, 9 rebs, 8 assists, 8 steals, Taylor Walton 16, Austin Hawk 14, Andrew Johnson 12, JJ Friedman 10

CIT: Kc Emezie 25, Andrew Hogue 17 pts and 16 rebs, Luke Lango 10

Oxy is @ NCAA D-II Azusa Pacific this Tuesday. Caltech is @ George Fox on 11/21.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gosox on November 19, 2014, 12:03:28 PM
My alama mater, the APU Cougars,  handled Oxy last night.  The all-time series is now 18-6, and APU has won the last 13 meetings.
Juwan Rice, the Boston University transfer, had 20..Oxy had 4 others in double digits- Johnson 14, Hawk 11, Levy 15, and Friedman 14...I must say I like the up tempo offense Newhall has adopted....they still got 81 points on under 40% shooting, not bad....they are attempting a full court press, which has some holes, but the effort will pay off I think in the long run.  APU also had 5 players in double digits, with Troy Leaf leading the way with 24, APU shot over 50% overall.....a few dunks were witnessed,  The Tigers Friedman, unfortunately was the recipient of a posterizing dunk by APU's Bruce English towards the end of the game...one of the best I have seen.  Other than that, good game for both teams to work on some things.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on November 19, 2014, 01:01:36 PM
Fun Fact:

Through 2 games Juwan Rice has 15 steals!...that's a season's worth!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on November 19, 2014, 05:51:41 PM
Quote from: Gosox on November 19, 2014, 12:03:28 PM
My alama mater, the APU Cougars,  handled Oxy last night.

Makes up for being destroyed by UCLA. Congrats.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on November 21, 2014, 01:43:23 PM
CMS game getting some play on d3hoops -- picture of Gaffney, but it's about the women's team?....did he switch?...that hardly seems fair.

http://www.d3hoops.com/columns/around-the-region/midwest-west/index
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on November 21, 2014, 10:53:00 PM
Caltech dropped a tight one to George Fox tonight 99-96...Lawrence Lee 38 pts 10 rebounds. 

there was an quick 11 point swing with about 13 minutes to go that was the difference. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on November 22, 2014, 07:10:48 PM
Caltech imploded in the last ten minutes against Willamette to lose 79-73...they were up 14 with 10 to go.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on November 23, 2014, 11:05:03 AM
Quote from: WoostAr on November 22, 2014, 07:10:48 PM
Caltech imploded in the last ten minutes against Willamette to lose 79-73...they were up 14 with 10 to go.

Linfield 72 Whittier 70. LC: Ryan Cali made a 3-pointer at the buzzer. WC: Nick Demusis 18.

Pomona 63 Trinity (TX) 59. PP: Gibson FaroneCollins 12 pts 13 rebs.

Bristol 57 Cal Lutheran 54. CLU: Arik Smith 16 pts 10 rebs.

Redlands 101 American Sports University 68. UR: Aljosa Bjekovic 25 pts 11 rebs.

La Verne 54 Pacific 43. ULV: Hakim Arnold 14.

Oxy 93 Bethesda 83. Oxy: Andrew Johnson 17 pts 9 rebs.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gosox on November 23, 2014, 03:20:31 PM
Watched the Laverne game...very up tempo. the boys really delivered on the boards when it counted....made some clutch 3's down the stretch as well..did well with their defensive assignments as well....represented the SCIAC well up here..nice job to Coach Reed!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on November 24, 2014, 11:07:34 AM
Quote from: stag44 on November 12, 2014, 06:10:26 PM
D3Hoops Pre-Season All Americans out..

Very shocked/surprised that Tyler Gaffaney was not on the list though. I'm guessing that everyone thought he was graduated when in fact he back.

How about bringing back Miles Taylor and Mani Maceira while you're at it?

Claremont is off to a 3-1 start. The Stags lost their opener 71-67 to Ohio Northern in Milwaukee, but since then have wins over Illinois Tech, San Diego Christian, and Trinity (TX). CMS is home to Lewis & Clark this Friday.

Coming up: D3hoops.com Men's Top 25 No. 7 Wisconsin-Stevens Point will be in Claremont to face Pomona on Dec. 29 and CMS on Dec. 31.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on November 30, 2014, 04:07:01 PM
Nov. 25  West Coast Baptist 101 Oxy 83

Nov. 26  Whitworth 80 Redlands 61

Nov. 28  Cal Lutheran 67 Pacific 56
              Pomona 91 Grove City 61
              Claremont 55 Lewis & Clark 34
   
Nov. 29  Puget Sound 63 Cal Lutheran 52
              Claremont 71 Grove City 55
              Whitworth 76 Caltech 48
              Lewis & Clark 74 Pomona 68
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on December 01, 2014, 11:32:57 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on November 24, 2014, 11:07:34 AM
Quote from: stag44 on November 12, 2014, 06:10:26 PM
D3Hoops Pre-Season All Americans out..

Very shocked/surprised that Tyler Gaffaney was not on the list though. I'm guessing that everyone thought he was graduated when in fact he back.

How about bringing back Miles Taylor and Mani Maceira while you're at it?

Claremont is off to a 3-1 start. The Stags lost their opener 71-67 to Ohio Northern in Milwaukee, but since then have wins over Illinois Tech, San Diego Christian, and Trinity (TX). CMS is home to Lewis & Clark this Friday.

Coming up: D3hoops.com Men's Top 25 No. 7 Wisconsin-Stevens Point will be in Claremont to face Pomona on Dec. 29 and CMS on Dec. 31.

OxyBob

We may as well bring back Chris Blees and Pat Lacey if you want to keep it consistent. It's a testament to the school that all these guys want to come back and get their MBAs while competing for one more year.

Stags looked GREAT in the 2nd half of both games in the Wells Classic this weekend. I'll be posting a recap shortly.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on December 02, 2014, 02:43:47 PM
Caltech was out-classed by Whitworth...it has been a while since I've seen a team with offensive sets as crisp as Whitworth's.

Caltech is taking a 2 week break from games for finals followed by games at home against Santa Cruz, Transylvania and Mt Aloysius before the Christmas break.  Caltech got Santa Cruz last year...I think they can get a couple wins heading into the new year.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on December 02, 2014, 02:44:52 PM
Also, looking forward to the Pointers visiting -- think I will make the trip out to Claremont for one or both of those games.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: (509)Rat on December 02, 2014, 11:14:41 PM
Well the NWC thread has been hijacked...can we talk basketball here?

Caltech is vastly improved from Caltech of even 4-5 years ago. I remember a few Hayford teams where the starters wouldn't play more than 5 minutes and they'd still win by 50.

If anyone has been "impressive" in a 30 point loss, Caltech is it. Kudos.

I'm torn on Chapman. On one hand they beat Whitman and shut up the lone Missionary poster on the NWC forums for a good week. On the other hand their non-conference schedule is absolute crap and looks like a play to get an at-large/pool c spot in the tournament, in case CMS beats them in the conference tourney  ::)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on December 03, 2014, 10:30:37 AM
Quote from: (509)Rat on December 02, 2014, 11:14:41 PM
Well the NWC thread has been hijacked...can we talk basketball here?

Last night Oxy lost 73-67 to something called Bristol University, which is located in Anaheim across the street from the Big A, and which used to be called Kensington College, which trained people to be paralegals and legal secretaries. Bristol is 2-5. Its other win was against CLU. Go SCIAC!

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on December 03, 2014, 11:50:03 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on December 03, 2014, 10:30:37 AM
Quote from: (509)Rat on December 02, 2014, 11:14:41 PM
Well the NWC thread has been hijacked...can we talk basketball here?

Last night Oxy lost 73-67 to something called Bristol University, which is located in Anaheim across the street from the Big A, and which used to be called Kensington College, which trained people to be paralegals and legal secretaries. Bristol is 2-5. Its other win was against CLU. Go SCIAC!

OxyBob
What are they?  Not NAIA.  They play some D1 schools.
Are they a club team?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on December 03, 2014, 12:59:59 PM
Quote from: (509)Rat on December 02, 2014, 11:14:41 PM

I'm torn on Chapman....On the other hand their non-conference schedule is absolute crap and looks like a play to get an at-large/pool c spot in the tournament, in case CMS beats them in the conference tourney  ::)

La Verne and Caltech have scheduled very well this year again...La Verne is even doing a little bit of winning while playing that schedule.  CMS has a better schedule this year, but for the most part the SCIAC just doesn't schedule well in general.  There is zero chance of an at large bid until the coaches stop scheduling la sierra, west coast baptist, the gsacs, and Bristol??


Looks like as Juwan Rice goes, so goes Occidental...he's cooled off the last couple games (only 1 steal and significantly lower shooting percentage).
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on December 03, 2014, 02:00:43 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on December 03, 2014, 11:50:03 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on December 03, 2014, 10:30:37 AM
Last night Oxy lost 73-67 to something called Bristol University
What are they?  Not NAIA.

USCAA D-II, which includes Valor Christian College fka World Harvest Bible College, Johnson & Wales University-Charlotte, and Central Maine Community College.

Quote from: WoostAr on December 03, 2014, 12:59:59 PM
There is zero chance of an at large bid until the coaches stop scheduling la sierra, west coast baptist, the gsacs, and Bristol

Athletic budget dictates prevent this.

OxyBob

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on December 03, 2014, 05:59:28 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on December 03, 2014, 02:00:43 PM

Athletic budget dictates prevent this.

OxyBob



....I think that is what team fund raising is for...
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on December 06, 2014, 03:55:46 PM
Scores:

Dec. 4   
North Central 79 Pomona 77 OT
Whittier 99 La Sierra 87
   
Dec. 5
Washington U 83 La Verne 48

Upcoming games:

Dec. 6   
La Verne vs. Emory in Lopata Classic, St. Louis   
North Central @ Redlands

Dec. 9   
Bethesda University @ Cal Lutheran

Dec. 10   
Bristol University @ Pomona

Dec. 12
UC Santa Cruz @ Cal Lutheran

Dec. 13
UC Santa Cruz @ Caltech
Claremont @ West Coast Baptist
Westmont @ Pomona

Nonconference Records: Claremont 5-1, Whittier 4-1, ULV 2-1, Oxy 3-3, Pomona 2-3, Redlands 2-3, CLU 1-2, Caltech 0-5

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on December 15, 2014, 01:51:36 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on December 06, 2014, 03:55:46 PM
Upcoming games:

Dec. 6   
La Verne vs. Emory in Lopata Classic, St. Louis Emory 80 La Verne 59 Final
North Central @ Redlands North Central 64 Redlands 47 Final

Dec. 9   
Bethesda University @ Cal Lutheran CLU 65 Bethesda 55 Final

Dec. 10   
Bristol University @ Pomona Bristol 76 Pomona 70 Final

Dec. 12
UC Santa Cruz @ Cal Lutheran CLU 75 UCSC 61 Final

Dec. 13
UC Santa Cruz @ Caltech UCSC 60 Caltech 56 Final OT
Claremont @ West Coast Baptist CMS 80 WCB 57 Final
Westmont @ Pomona Westmont 68 Pomona 67 Final

This week's games:

Dec. 16   
Transylvania @ Caltech
Bristol @ Redlands

Dec. 17   
Mt. Aloysius @ La Verne
Whittier @ Pacific Union
   
Dec. 18   
Transylvania @ La Verne
Mt. Aloysius @ Caltech

Dec. 19   
St. Katherine @ Cal Lutheran
Whittier @ Cal Maritime
   
Dec. 20   
Westmont @ Claremont

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on December 15, 2014, 05:29:15 PM
Transylvania will be out for blood.  ::)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on December 15, 2014, 07:53:26 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on December 15, 2014, 05:29:15 PM
Transylvania will be out for blood. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZLPJuy9oyQ

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on December 17, 2014, 01:14:10 PM
Caltech has gone to OT and double OT in their last two games.  Their defensive scheme is problematic at the moment...they have too many breakdowns and are giving up 10-15 pts a game just on defensive miscues -- they have started trapping out of their half court defense, but they are trapping in the wrong spots and with the wrong personnel...they ended up with their 6'10 post player 6 feet above the three point line attempting to trap at least 3 times last night.  They are giving up another 6-10 pts a game on ball handling miscues -- all in all they are playing sloppy basketball -- there are only two players with any substantial minutes that have a Assist to TO ratio greater than 1.  Not a good way to win basketball games and yet they are close.  If they can clean up their act and return to the form they had in Oregon, they might be able to put a mark in the W column.

Next up Mt. Aloysius on Thursday -- Mt Aloysius will be coming off their game tonight against La Verne
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on December 17, 2014, 01:29:44 PM
WoostAir, watched the stream feed and agree with your evaluation. But, they will become a team to contend with once they start to gel throughout the season.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on December 18, 2014, 10:31:13 PM
Congrads to Caltech (1-7) on a hard fought 72-68 win over Mount Aloysius (PA) (4-7) tonight. Caltech lost several leads, but came back each time. The first one is the hard one!
ULV (3-3) dropped a close one to Transylvania (KY) (3-5) 62-59.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 18, 2014, 11:17:34 PM
Transylvania University is in Kentucky, dahlby, not Pennsylvania. You must have relatives in New Jersey, because Jerseyites like to refer to Pennsylvania as "Pennsyltucky." It's not a compliment. ;)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on December 18, 2014, 11:41:34 PM
Thanks, I stand corrected.

No relatives in NJ. I am from the midwest orig.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on December 19, 2014, 02:06:29 AM
Two quick notes from tonight's Caltech game:

1) their defense looked much better -- their defensive rotations were much better as they held Mt Aloysius to 33% shooting from the field.

2) Caltech must solve the turnover problem -- 28 turnovers tonight -- ball handling errors and Caltech's inability to pass to the post were the primary culprits.  I don't know how many times tonight they threw bounce passes at the knees to their 6'10" center.  Yet sillier, their 6'10" post is calling for the ball low -- simple fix -- hope to see that get shored up soon.

Reason Caltech won??-- REBOUNDING!!  52-40 rebound margin....lots of effort put into that particular task this evening...great to see.

Caltech goes on a break now...next up Oberlin who has victories over Wittenberg and Depauw this year....not sure the last time that happened, but looking forward to seeing them play.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cmsme on December 21, 2014, 06:51:39 PM
?? I have been watching CMS games.  They look really good--good team work, strong & stable.  I am just wondering what the basketball experts out there think?  Is there any chance a SCIAC team (e.g. CMS) does well in the ncaa playoffs? Dare I hope?
I went to Wisconsin when CMS played St. Thomas.  Ever since I have dislike Wisconsin.  So I will really be rooting for CMS when they play UW Stevens Point. Good Luck
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on December 23, 2014, 12:41:07 AM
CMS is a very good basketball team -- good talent, good offensive sets, good execution, good defense.

The problem is, they will need to win every NCAA tourney game on the road.  Not to say it can't happen, but not as easy a road as say Wooster who year after year gets the first 4 games of the tourney at home.  Not to mention, I don't think CMS is even the best West Coast Team after watching Whitworth play a couple games AND Whitworth schedules better -- there will never be a SCIAC/NWC first round tourney game in So Cal until the SCIAC schedules better.

Wisconsin has excellent basketball and Stevens Point is an excellent team -- I am also looking forward to watching that game.  Beating UWSP would be a huge coup for CMS and the SCIAC.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on December 23, 2014, 06:11:12 PM
They should travel to good teams or tournaments to get better opponents. 
One good road trip a year won't break the budget.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on December 26, 2014, 07:22:32 PM
Quote from: WoostAr on December 23, 2014, 12:41:07 AM
Wisconsin has excellent basketball and Stevens Point is an excellent team -- I am also looking forward to watching that game.  Beating UWSP would be a huge coup for CMS and the SCIAC.

Don't kid yourself. If either Pomona or Claremont beats UWSP it will be dismissed as a fluke.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 27, 2014, 09:37:28 PM
UWSP is down this season, at least by UWSP's lofty standards. This is the perfect year to put a good team on the floor against the Pointers and win yourself some bragging rights.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gromek on December 28, 2014, 04:33:01 PM
As of Dec 14, D3 Hoops rankings.   Wisconsin-Stevens Point is ranked 20th.   Not too bad of a team.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 29, 2014, 06:44:54 PM
UWSP is used to being a Top Five program, not a #20 program.

The regular fans of the Pointers who post on d3boards.com are unanimous in their assessment that UWSP is down this season. Check out the WIAC room conversation; they've all but conceded the WIAC title to UWW this season, and there's speculation that the Pointers might not even finish second.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on December 29, 2014, 08:09:44 PM
"down"
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 29, 2014, 09:47:22 PM
Quote from: Gromek on December 28, 2014, 04:33:01 PM
As of Dec 14, D3 Hoops rankings.   Wisconsin-Stevens Point is ranked 20th.   Not too bad of a team.

No doubt, but games have been played since.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gromek on December 29, 2014, 11:00:44 PM
As of 12/28  Bennett Rank has Wisconsin Stevens Point, ranked 10th.   
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on December 30, 2014, 09:14:37 PM
Watched Oberlin Chapman yesterday.

Oberlin is a scrappy team -- they have good motion on offense and get good shots -- they just didn't make them last night...also, they had problems with the post entry as Chapman was doubling the post to prevent entry.

Chapman looks very good -- they have good action on offense, good team defense, a shut down defender and great shooters. 

In this particular game Oberlin jumped out to a 14-7 lead and then started missing shots.  They were down big at half and lost 72-50.

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 30, 2014, 10:12:10 PM
Quote from: Gromek on December 29, 2014, 11:00:44 PM
As of 12/28  Bennett Rank has Wisconsin Stevens Point, ranked 10th.

I am not at all impressed by the Bennett Rank site. I think that Massey gives a much more accurate picture, once enough games have been played.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on December 31, 2014, 12:34:36 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 30, 2014, 10:12:10 PM
Quote from: Gromek on December 29, 2014, 11:00:44 PM
As of 12/28  Bennett Rank has Wisconsin Stevens Point, ranked 10th.

I am not at all impressed by the Bennett Rank site. I think that Massey gives a much more accurate picture, once enough games have been played.

Bennett Rank has a Wisconsin school ranked higher than maybe they should?

The Bennett family coaching tree is shocked.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on December 31, 2014, 01:36:24 PM
Last night Cal Lutheran beat D3hoops No. 9 Illinois Wesleyan 67-61. IWU was hampered by several factors: The Titans had to fly on an airplane to get from Bloomington, Illinois to Thousand Oaks. The players were still in shock from the drastic change in air temperature; it was only 33 in Bloomington while it was 60 in TO. IWU was also exhausted from playing Nazareth the night before and winning 84-41. No doubt the poor play of Nazareth affected IWU's game against CLU. Overall it was a complete fluke that lucky Cal Lutheran won the game. No doubt that IWU's and the CCIW's greatness will not be affected by this quirky aberration.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 31, 2014, 03:20:59 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on December 31, 2014, 01:36:24 PM
Last night Cal Lutheran beat D3hoops No. 9 Illinois Wesleyan 67-61. IWU was hampered by several factors: The Titans had to fly on an airplane to get from Bloomington, Illinois to Thousand Oaks. The players were still in shock from the drastic change in air temperature; it was only 33 in Bloomington while it was 60 in TO. IWU was also exhausted from playing Nazareth the night before and winning 84-41. No doubt the poor play of Nazareth affected IWU's game against CLU. Overall it was a complete fluke that lucky Cal Lutheran won the game. No doubt that IWU's and the CCIW's greatness will not be affected by this quirky aberration.

OxyBob

Wow do you ever hold a grudge!  No one has made any excuses.  Cal Lu is a legit team, who was the better team (at least that night - time may tell for the overall season).

You are a bitter man, OB.  Maybe it is about time to find a new hobbyhorse.  This one is certainly a dead nag by now.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on December 31, 2014, 07:53:32 PM
CRAZY Occidental game -- down 19 w/13:48, they never lead until the last shot of the game to win 50-48. 

Wonder if anyone saw the game -- box score is ugly -- Oxy shot 12% in the first half and 25% for the game and somehow got the win.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on December 31, 2014, 08:48:10 PM
Wisconsin Stevens-Point beat CMS -- hard fought game by both teams -- impressed by the defense out of UWSP: they kept Gaffney in check most of the game -- if they had made free throws, they would have won easy, they missed a bunch and ended up gutting out a six point win. 

CMS' offense looked crisp early on but they seemed to lose structure as the game went on -- I would credit the Pointer's defense -- in a crucial stretch towards the end of the second half they forced 3 turnovers in the span of 2 minutes.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on December 31, 2014, 10:24:54 PM
Eyewitness report from Eagle Rock:

Oxy 50 St. Joseph's 48

Oxy trailed by 19 in the second half but came roaring back to win. The Tigers hadn't played since December 2 and it showed. Oxy endured a horrible first half, shooting only 12.5% on 3-for-24. Fortunately for Oxy, St. Joseph's didn't take full advantage of Oxy's ineptness, and the Monks led only 22-11 at the break. In the second half, St. Joseph's led 34-15 at 13:20 when Oxy started its comeback. Oxy's press bothered the Monks and forced them into 14 second half turnovers (20 for the game). Austin Hawk's 3-ball cut the lead to 8 at 10:50, and Kory Hamane's 3-pointer cut SJC's lead to 47-43 at 2:35. With 44 seconds left, Taylor Walton made the first of two FTs to make it 48-46. He missed the second FT but got the rebound and put it in to tie the game. After a timeout, SJC's Jordan Tripp tried a jumper, but it was blocked by Oxy's Juwan Rice, who got the ball and threw it to a streaking Andrew Johnson for a layup and Oxy's first and only lead of the game with 4.4 seconds left. Johnson then stole the inbounds pass and dribbled out the clock. Nice comeback for the Tigers!

For Oxy, Johnson, Rice and Hawk each had 10 points, and Taylor Walton pulled down 11 rebounds. For St. Joseph's, Quinn Richardson-Newton scored 12, and Zach Blodgett had 10.

Oxy (4-3) hosts Pomona (2-7) on Saturday at 4:00 p.m. in the SCIAC opener. The other SCIAC games this Saturday:

La Verne (4-5) @ Cal Lutheran (6-2)
Redlands (3-6) @ Claremont (7-2)

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on January 07, 2015, 01:10:49 PM
Caltech dropped their game at Whittier last night 79-65.  After jumping out to a 14-4 lead, they got creamed the rest of the first half -- down by 20 at the break.  The problem: turnovers -- 12 in the first half, 20 in the game.

Caltech went down by 30 to kick off the second half and then scrambled back late to keep it respectable.

On top of the turnovers, it looked like Caltech had problems with effort -- great coaching job to get the players in the game that put out effort and jump start the team late.

On the bright side -- freshman David Kawashima got some playing time tonight -- feisty kid...I look forward to him progress...will be a tremendous asset to this team down the road.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on January 08, 2015, 07:33:10 PM
CMS @ Caltech tonight. Should be a good game - CIT is always prepared to play CMS and the Stags slower tempo usually keeps things interesting. 2 years ago Caltech was up 4 with a minute to go before losing in OT.

This years scheduling is a bit different than the usual Wednesday / Saturday. I'm guessing some has to do with the 9 team league and CMS sharing courts with Pomona.

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on January 09, 2015, 01:28:12 AM
Webcast Witness Report:

CMS 58 Cal Tech 33

The Stags showed off their vaunted defense against Caltech holding them to below 25% shooting in both halves. They had done their homework and guard Emezie really well, forcing him into 3 early turnovers dribbling baseline and going out of bounds. The Stags had some trouble early getting their offense going, but went on a 9-1 run in the middle of the first half to go up 20-9. They were up 29-14 at half and cruised to a win being up by 20+ pretty much the last 10 minutes of the game.

Gaffaney had another great game, and an especially efficient first half. In the 2nd half it looked like he was staying aggressive and driving into contact but the calls weren't there. I was happy to see him sit for the last few minutes of the game. The play of Shelby Lane has been really special over the past few weeks. He has been averaging 13ppg and 7rpg shooting almost 70% from the field and anchoring the nations best scoring defense (52.2ppg).

This is a classic Scali team that grinds you on offense and plays tough nosed man defense. They kicker is they have an All-American (in my opinion) in Gaffaney with a maturing post which allows them to be dynamic on offense when needed. While the lost to Stevens Point, it was great to see them competitive for a majority of that game. UWSP, while down from prior years, still has some players who are very skilled and towards the end of the game Ritchay just took over and was on fire.

The SCIAC is shaping up to be a 3 team race at the top with CMS, Chapman and Cal Lu. All teams are very talented but extremely different styles of play. The first of these 6 matchups between the teams is Saturday when CMS travels to Chapman. I expect to see an awesome game where Chapman's high octane, efficient offense will square off against the nation's best defense.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gromek on January 09, 2015, 12:52:51 PM
Great to have you back, stag  44.  Enjoy your insight into sciac basketball.    Should be a very good basketball tomorrow.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on January 09, 2015, 07:29:22 PM
While CMS is certainly a good team -- they do not function without Gaffney in the game -- evidence of this being that he played 35 minutes last night after being pulled with 10 to go...as soon as Caltech made a mini-run he came back in.  Their half court offense was rather weak last night -- Gaffney's points in the first half were off late clock pick and rolls -- Scali was obviously frustrated by his team not hitting cutters when they were open. 

The second half Gaffney went 2-10 with a couple airballs.  I'm wondering if his legs are going to stay with him all year as he limped off the court to the locker room at the end of the game.

Credit to CMS' defense -- very long and athletic...definitely understand why they are one of the better defenses in the nation...Caltech could not get anything going against them.

Also, credit to Caltech's defense...Gaffney did have 21 pts but he needed 19 shots!! to get that.  Discredit to Caltech's offense -- they didn't run their offense through Al-Reyes enough -- he has to be the focal point of their offense...no one in the SCIAC can stop him one on one (scored at ease against Lane when he got the ball on the block - 2/3 from the post + 7 free throw opportunities -- he also missed two 3 balls which he should not have shot) -- Caltech has to get the ball to him and force defenses to collapse.

For my money, Chapman is the team to beat this year -- they have a stingy defense, great guard play, and can shoot the bejesus out of the ball.  You can say all of those things about Claremont, but Chapman is deeper....we will get an early look at this matchup this weekend -- very exciting

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on January 14, 2015, 01:08:22 PM
Caltech played Cal Lu last night -- Caltech ended up losing by 77-56.

This could have been one of the closest 21 pt losses I've ever watched -- Caltech simply could not can a 3 to save their life.  They had wide open looks that would lead to run outs.  Their aggression was a pleasant surprise -- KC Emezie had a baseline drive dunk and Nasser Al Reyes had a buzzer beater put back Jam to bring Caltech within 11 at the half.  With 8 to go, Caltech was down 10 -- they had two wide open 3's from Rob Anderson (their shooting specialist) not go in, Cal Lu then hit a 3 at the other end and that pretty much sealed it.

Caltech started 0-12 from 3 -- their half court defense was solid again, but their transistion defense needs some work -- of course hitting threes instead of giving up long rebounds would held, as would further limiting their turnovers.  Caltech had 15 turnovers last night with no point guard on the floor after the first 5 minutes -- Bryan Joel seemed to suffer a calf cramp early on and Lango was not to be seen -- also missing from last game.

Next up for Caltech -- undefeated Chapman, now the number 20 team in the nation.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on January 15, 2015, 09:02:20 AM
Read in the LA Times this morning that former Chapman AD and MBB Coach has passed away of natural causes in Palm Desert CA.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 15, 2015, 01:11:28 PM
Quote from: dahlby on January 15, 2015, 09:02:20 AM
Read in the LA Times this morning that former Chapman AD and MBB Coach has passed away of natural causes in Palm Desert CA.

You mean Bob Boyd, the great USC coach?

Don't give up your day job to become a reporter.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on January 15, 2015, 01:31:11 PM
You bit on that one hook, line and sinker, Bob.
Don't become a detective!

Bob Boyd contributed greatly to all of college basketball.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on January 18, 2015, 01:38:17 AM
Chapman dropped Caltech 67-58 tonight -- repeat: Caltech lost to the #20 team in the nation by less than 10 points.

Caltech's offense has started to click and they have started to reduce their turnovers -- should be a good one against Oxy on Tuesday -- I'm calling for a Caltech win.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on January 21, 2015, 01:21:34 PM
Got that wrong -- Caltech lost 76-68 to Oxy -- Caltech was cavalier with the ball which turned into 17 turnovers -- also allowed Levy to shoot 15! three pointers -- he hit 7 and scored 26 on the night, Rice chipped in 14 and Johnson 12.

Nassar Al-Reyes is clearly going to be the focal point for Caltech over the next 2.5 seasons -- he went 12 and 7 with 2 blocks and an assist last night with a put back dunk in the half court -- only played 26 minutes.  Actually a bit of an off night for him -- missed a couple chippies and he still shot 60% from the field -- he is still dialing in his defense, but even that is coming along.  He is only a sophomore and is motivated to develop -- definitely a player to keep an eye on going forward.

Caltech hasn't had Lango for the last 4 games (not sure why, but he hasn't even been in the building) and Joel seems to be nursing a calf issue (only 13 minutes last night) -- so Caltech is lacking a point guard at the moment, seems Hogue is filling that role as a point forward in the interim (had to play 39 minutes last night and had numerous shots fall short -- legs probably not as fresh as they could be).

Caltech at La Verne on Saturday.

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on January 25, 2015, 12:07:09 AM
What a day/night in SCIAC men's BB with:
CIT taking ULV to 2 o/t's before losing 59-57 and
Whittier needing O/T to drop Oxy 91-86 and
PP battling CMS for a 58-57 win.
In other SCIAC action Chapman dropped Redlands by 20, 83-63.

Looks like a real battle for the post season tourney.

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hoya86 on February 01, 2015, 02:29:48 PM
The league has a talented senior class and all of them want to win badly.

With their senior leaders Cohen and McAndrew healed the Sagehens are back from the dead and the league is much more interesting.  I predict P-P will go 6-2 in second half and sneak past Whittier into the tournament.  The end of regulation and the two overtimes last night v. Chapman were really fun to watch.

Speaking of entertainment, I loved the two big slams by Whittier's Demussis last night against CMS.  Very athletic.  Whittier's big man Maynard showed great range and his three's enabled the Poets to threaten late.  Not often that you see a center with zero 2FG opportunities but 4-7 from 3FG.

In the second half, Cal Lu and Chapman (Tues.) need to play at CMS.  Will their temporary home across 6th Street carry the enough home court benefit? 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on February 03, 2015, 07:41:29 PM
Huge games in the SCIAC tonight!! It's become pretty clear that the SCIAC will probably be a one-bid team this year. The only way that does not happen is if Chapman were to win out and then lose in the Conference tournament. Even then it could be a stretch. So, with that there are 7 teams that still have a reasonable shot at making the playoff (CMS, Chapman, CLU, Oxy, Whittier, Pomona, and La Verne). It seems like the last 4 will be fighting for the final spot while CMS, Chapman and CLU will be fighting for home court and the 1 seed.

What makes this race so compelling is also the players. You have arguably the best and most efficient player in the nation IMO (Gaffaney) along with 3 other All-Region and potentially All-American players in Zaversnick, Smith and McAndrews all competing with each other. With the exception of Smith who transferred, the other 3 have been going at each other for 4 years which adds to the fun and rivalry. See below for my previews for the 3 relevant games tonight!

Chapman (7-2) @ CMS (7-2)
Chapman comes into this game reeling from their first 2 losses of the year. While both games came down the last shots and were 1 possession games, both CLU and Pomona were comfortably ahead late into the 2nd half of both games. Credit Chapman for making games out of both with clutch shooting and big time plays down the stretch. CMS comes in off a great week after their devastating loss to Pomona - McAndrews's circus shot sent the Stags to an L after they were unable to close out the game. They beat down Oxy by 31 and followed that up with a solid win @ Whittier which always is a tough place to play.

I am going to take an aside here to discuss Tyler Gaffaney - I don't think most people realize how good he is. He is literally in the top 7 of ALL stat categories in the SCIAC besides blocks. I've run some figure on National PER and he is #4 nationally which is unbelievable. For a 2 guard to be shooting 56% overall and 51% from 3 is just stunning. He could be one of the only 55/50/80 players ever. It's not just his scoring efficiency though - he's still incredibly unselfish. I would love to see him take 25 shots a game, but he is always trying to make the right plays. This has made the Stags extremely efficient on offense.

Overall, I have a feeling this game is going to be a classic. They have played each other, have film and know that the winner has the inside track to the 1 seed in the conference tourney and generally the programs have developed a rivalry over the past years. Chapman won fair and square at home but I know looking at the film there are multiple defensive possessions the Stags would love to have back as Chapman got lay-ups or open 3s off their basic sets. At the end of the game they ran the same play over and over again to get one of the Young twins layups on multiple possessions off a simple diagonal upscreen. They should be ready for their sets even more this time. Chapman took control of the game with an 8-0 run in the middle of the second half sparked by a 4pt play. They shot 70% from 3 and had huge contributions from the Young twins (26pts on 9-11 shooting).

I have a feeling both teams are going to be nervous early on and the first 5 minutes will be tight. Once both teams get in the flow the game will be determined in the paint - whichever team can generate more paint touches (off the dribble or screen or post) will win. This will allow the team to get great looks either as layups or open 3s from penetration. The other key remains on at the free throw line. CMS is atrocious while Chapman is solid. CMS also needs to get to the line as they need to be aggressive and force the hand of the Panthers. Zaversnick and Hamasaki are below average defenders but their team defense and overall coaching is able to mask it and they scout and scheme well against teams. Against the Stags motion I think Chapman will try to be physical around screens and may switch on the side that Gaffaney is not on as James will be matching up agains Gaffaney. They will be every present and send help quickly on any drives so the Stags need to be ready to make 2 passes for open shots.

I'm excited and this will be a player's game. I have a sneaky feeling the Stags seniors will have huge games.

Stags win 68-64

Pomona (4-5) @ CLU (7-2)
Pomona is back and with a win here will be in prime position for the 4 seed. They are an entirely different team with Cohen and Eyen as both take the pressure off McAndrews to be the guard scorer. In their absence Brandon has come on strong and played extremely well. Farrone Collins looks healthy and with those 5 they have shown they can beat anyone in the SCIAC.

CLU is coming off a great week knocking off the previously undefeated Chapman and then working through CalTech. It's the Smith and Powdrill show with CLU and the duo does not disappoint. Their role players are starting to come into their own as well.

I expect this to be a very close game and while Pomona is hot and riding momentum, I give the edge to CLU at home.

CLU wins 62-56

ULV (3-5) @ Whittier (5-4)

ULV must win to stay on pace for the 4 seed, while Whittier is looking to put some space between it and the others at the 4 spot. This should be an up and down game and I expect Whittier to control it.

Whittier wins 78-64
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on February 04, 2015, 01:12:26 AM
Caltech takes down Redlands 49-47!!

KC Emezie with 21 pts including a contested layup with .7 seconds left to go...Ricky Galiani 3-3 from 3.  Big win for the Caltech program.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CMSfan on February 06, 2015, 04:25:33 PM
Quote from: stag44 on February 03, 2015, 07:41:29 PM
I am going to take an aside here to discuss Tyler Gaffaney - I don't think most people realize how good he is. He is literally in the top 7 of ALL stat categories in the SCIAC besides blocks. I've run some figure on National PER and he is #4 nationally which is unbelievable. For a 2 guard to be shooting 56% overall and 51% from 3 is just stunning. He could be one of the only 55/50/80 players ever. It's not just his scoring efficiency though - he's still incredibly unselfish. I would love to see him take 25 shots a game, but he is always trying to make the right plays. This has made the Stags extremely efficient on offense.

More love for Gaffaney: http://www.cmsathletics.org/sports/mbkb/2014-15/releases/201502058a6ycw (http://www.cmsathletics.org/sports/mbkb/2014-15/releases/201502058a6ycw)

He's an absolute stud and pretty much the nicest guy you'll ever meet.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on February 08, 2015, 01:05:49 AM
Caltech with a 15 pt victory over Whittier tonight. Largest lead was 21. Al Reyes with 21 pts 12 rebounds 6 blocks and 6 assists.

Caltech shot very well from 3 again....50% from 3 in the 2nd half.

At cms next Wednesday.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CMSfan on February 08, 2015, 01:25:02 AM
Quote from: WoostAr on February 08, 2015, 01:05:49 AM
Caltech with a 15 pt victory over Whittier tonight.

And that is a Caltech SCIAC winning streak. Congrats to the Beaver faithful!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 08, 2015, 09:15:16 AM
Break up the Beavers! ;)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on February 08, 2015, 02:03:48 PM
Last time the Beavers had a conference winning streak?....1960!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on February 08, 2015, 04:37:50 PM
Coach Eslinger on hoopsville at 4:15 today.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on February 08, 2015, 11:28:53 PM
Quote from: CMSfan on February 06, 2015, 04:25:33 PM
Quote from: stag44 on February 03, 2015, 07:41:29 PM
I am going to take an aside here to discuss Tyler Gaffaney - I don't think most people realize how good he is. He is literally in the top 7 of ALL stat categories in the SCIAC besides blocks. I've run some figure on National PER and he is #4 nationally which is unbelievable. For a 2 guard to be shooting 56% overall and 51% from 3 is just stunning. He could be one of the only 55/50/80 players ever. It's not just his scoring efficiency though - he's still incredibly unselfish. I would love to see him take 25 shots a game, but he is always trying to make the right plays. This has made the Stags extremely efficient on offense.

More love for Gaffaney: http://www.cmsathletics.org/sports/mbkb/2014-15/releases/201502058a6ycw (http://www.cmsathletics.org/sports/mbkb/2014-15/releases/201502058a6ycw)

He's an absolute stud and pretty much the nicest guy you'll ever meet.

Are you guys worried about his usage rate at all??  He plays 40 minutes unless it's a blowout (and then he plays 35 minutes) -- this should boost his stats a bit, but in March that is simply unsustainable.  He even brings the ball up fairly regularly...he literally gets no time off on the court -- in my opinion, that will not work against the best teams in the nation on back to back nights. (all of this, of course, presumes that CMS makes it to the post-season -- big assumption)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 09, 2015, 12:09:48 AM
Quote from: WoostAr on February 08, 2015, 02:03:48 PM
Last time the Beavers had a conference winning streak?....1960!

No... first back-to-back SCIAC wins since 1954 when they won the SCIAC title!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on February 09, 2015, 12:26:03 AM
Depends on how you look at it -- in 1960 they won back to back SCIAC games, but had a non-conference loss in between those games. 
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 09, 2015, 12:32:11 AM
I was told that was in 1971.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on February 09, 2015, 12:52:13 AM
Here it is straight from the horse's mouth:  http://gocaltech.com/sports/mbkb/2014-15/releases/20150208yv770a
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 09, 2015, 12:57:52 AM
Ok... we are confusing things clearly.

First back-to-back SCIAC wins in back-to-back games since 1954.
First back-to-back SCIAC wins since 1960-61 season.
First two SCIAC wins in a season since 1971.

I think we were talking about variations of the three - or at least I somehow got into that.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on February 09, 2015, 12:59:39 AM
I think we got it straightened out now :)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 09, 2015, 11:00:36 AM
I think it's telling that these things happened so long ago that records aren't necessarily so clear. :)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on February 09, 2015, 12:53:14 PM
Quote from: WoostAr on February 08, 2015, 11:28:53 PM

Are you guys worried about his usage rate at all??  He plays 40 minutes unless it's a blowout (and then he plays 35 minutes) -- this should boost his stats a bit, but in March that is simply unsustainable.  He even brings the ball up fairly regularly...he literally gets no time off on the court -- in my opinion, that will not work against the best teams in the nation on back to back nights. (all of this, of course, presumes that CMS makes it to the post-season -- big assumption)


The minutes are substantial, but Tyler is as well conditioned as anyone in the nation (in my opinion) and knew going into this year that he was going to have to play 40 minutes a night. Early in the year when the Stags went back to back it didn't look to impact his performance, but the grind of a full year can have impact on even the best players. I think that this week off will be great for his legs and I know that the coaching staff does a great job of monitoring fatigue and making sure players are recovered and not being over-used. Also, the increase of media timeouts throughout the conference and in the NCAA help significantly as there are more stoppages and time for recovery. In the NCAAs they come even more often as the SCIAC usually has 15-10-5 timeouts while NCAA have 16-12-8-4.

It is a valid concern with the miles he has logged, but I know that it is all closely monitored and do no view it as a serious issue.


Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on February 09, 2015, 02:38:28 PM
Quote from: WoostAr on February 04, 2015, 01:12:26 AM
Caltech takes down Redlands 49-47!!

KC Emezie with 21 pts including a contested layup with .7 seconds left to go...Ricky Galiani 3-3 from 3.  Big win for the Caltech program.

Why Redlands can't get it together in basketball is beyond me. I really thought Coach Ducey would get the program going but it seems like the stink of Gary Smith remains.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on February 09, 2015, 05:28:05 PM
RFB,
CIT was bound to put altogether sooner or later, it just happened to be against Redlands.


Although the UR record is not that good, they are not as bad as you paint them to be. Don't get all worked up about it, as spring football starts tomorrow and the season is quickly approaching.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciacguru on February 09, 2015, 05:57:46 PM
Quote from: RFB on February 09, 2015, 02:38:28 PM
Why Redlands can't get it together in basketball is beyond me. I really thought Coach Ducey would get the program going but it seems like the stink of Gary Smith remains.

Gary Smith in 36 years - 3 SCIAC titles. .500 Win %
Jim Ducey in first 7 years - 2 SCIAC titles. .516 Win %

I think the only stink is your attitude.  Stay on the football board.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on February 09, 2015, 07:22:57 PM
Quote from: sciacguru on February 09, 2015, 05:57:46 PM
Quote from: RFB on February 09, 2015, 02:38:28 PM
Why Redlands can't get it together in basketball is beyond me. I really thought Coach Ducey would get the program going but it seems like the stink of Gary Smith remains.

Gary Smith in 36 years - 3 SCIAC titles. .500 Win %
Jim Ducey in first 7 years - 2 SCIAC titles. .516 Win %

I think the only stink is your attitude.  Stay on the football board.

Nah, I think I will hang here for a minute or two. It's too much fun reading your butthurt response.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciacguru on February 09, 2015, 11:58:36 PM
Quote from: RFB on February 09, 2015, 07:22:57 PM
Quote from: sciacguru on February 09, 2015, 05:57:46 PM
Quote from: RFB on February 09, 2015, 02:38:28 PM
Why Redlands can't get it together in basketball is beyond me. I really thought Coach Ducey would get the program going but it seems like the stink of Gary Smith remains.

Gary Smith in 36 years - 3 SCIAC titles. .500 Win %
Jim Ducey in first 7 years - 2 SCIAC titles. .516 Win %

I think the only stink is your attitude.  Stay on the football board.

Nah, I think I will hang here for a minute or two. It's too much fun reading your butthurt response.

I think Coach Ducey has the same number of SCIAC championship as Coach Maynard in that same period of time.  Guess Manynard just isnt the same coach he used to be.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on February 10, 2015, 10:56:18 AM
Quote from: sciacguru on February 09, 2015, 11:58:36 PM
Quote from: RFB on February 09, 2015, 07:22:57 PM
Quote from: sciacguru on February 09, 2015, 05:57:46 PM
Quote from: RFB on February 09, 2015, 02:38:28 PM
Why Redlands can't get it together in basketball is beyond me. I really thought Coach Ducey would get the program going but it seems like the stink of Gary Smith remains.

Gary Smith in 36 years - 3 SCIAC titles. .500 Win %
Jim Ducey in first 7 years - 2 SCIAC titles. .516 Win %

I think the only stink is your attitude.  Stay on the football board.

Nah, I think I will hang here for a minute or two. It's too much fun reading your butthurt response.

I think Coach Ducey has the same number of SCIAC championship as Coach Maynard in that same period of time.  Guess Manynard just isnt the same coach he used to be.

Puhleez.. Coach Ducey should have to interview for his job again after losing to Cal Tech.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciacguru on February 10, 2015, 12:45:24 PM
Quote from: RFB on February 10, 2015, 10:56:18 AM
Quote from: sciacguru on February 09, 2015, 11:58:36 PM
Quote from: RFB on February 09, 2015, 07:22:57 PM
Quote from: sciacguru on February 09, 2015, 05:57:46 PM
Quote from: RFB on February 09, 2015, 02:38:28 PM
Why Redlands can't get it together in basketball is beyond me. I really thought Coach Ducey would get the program going but it seems like the stink of Gary Smith remains.

Gary Smith in 36 years - 3 SCIAC titles. .500 Win %
Jim Ducey in first 7 years - 2 SCIAC titles. .516 Win %

I think the only stink is your attitude.  Stay on the football board.

Nah, I think I will hang here for a minute or two. It's too much fun reading your butthurt response.

I think Coach Ducey has the same number of SCIAC championship as Coach Maynard in that same period of time.  Guess Manynard just isnt the same coach he used to be.

Puhleez.. Coach Ducey should have to interview for his job again after losing to Cal Tech.

You are Bob Nelson's inspiration:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BerJdS2VJhA
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on February 10, 2015, 01:50:27 PM
Quote from: RFB on February 10, 2015, 10:56:18 AM
Quote from: sciacguru on February 09, 2015, 11:58:36 PM
Quote from: RFB on February 09, 2015, 07:22:57 PM
Quote from: sciacguru on February 09, 2015, 05:57:46 PM
Quote from: RFB on February 09, 2015, 02:38:28 PM
Why Redlands can't get it together in basketball is beyond me. I really thought Coach Ducey would get the program going but it seems like the stink of Gary Smith remains.

Gary Smith in 36 years - 3 SCIAC titles. .500 Win %
Jim Ducey in first 7 years - 2 SCIAC titles. .516 Win %

I think the only stink is your attitude.  Stay on the football board.

Nah, I think I will hang here for a minute or two. It's too much fun reading your butthurt response.

I think Coach Ducey has the same number of SCIAC championship as Coach Maynard in that same period of time.  Guess Manynard just isnt the same coach he used to be.

Puhleez.. Coach Ducey should have to interview for his job again after losing to Cal Tech.


So what should happen to the Whittier coach then?? :)

Not to be lost in the shuffle is that Redlands best player (Bjekovich) did not play against Caltech -- he was out injured.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on February 10, 2015, 06:27:54 PM
Where is Oxy Bob when we need him?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on February 11, 2015, 12:32:09 AM
Late season SCIAC shake up -- Whittier takes down Chapman the same week as they lose to Caltech -- holey moley!!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on February 11, 2015, 02:02:33 PM
Caltech with some recognition of a couple of their players: Rob Anderson and KC Emezie.

http://gocaltech.com/sports/mbkb/2014-15/releases/2015020986vkbh

http://gocaltech.com/sports/mbkb/2014-15/releases/20150210kv957k
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 11, 2015, 02:54:50 PM
Regional Rankings are out: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2015/02/11/first-regional-rankings-released-today/ (http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2015/02/11/first-regional-rankings-released-today/)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on February 11, 2015, 06:15:04 PM
Chapman at #3 a bit of a surprise to me with only 15 games that count...probably won't stay in that spot after last night's game factors in.

The WIAC moved to the Central??...I must have missed that...that's huge for the West.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on February 12, 2015, 01:07:02 AM
Looks like the Texas schools are no longer in the West either??  UT Dallas is regionally ranked in the south.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on February 12, 2015, 11:32:29 AM
SCIAC is a wild race to the finish:


Team
Conference Record
CLU
10-2
Chapman
9-3
Claremont-Mudd-Scripps   
8-3
Whittier
7-5
Pomona-Pitzer
6-6
Occidental
5-7
La Verne
4-8
Cal Tech
2-9
Redlands
2-10

Let's break down the schedule to go for each of the teams:

CLU - vs Whittier, @ CMS, @ Chapman, @ Oxy

CLU has a brutal finish to their schedule, playing @CMS and @Chapman along with hosting a Jekyll and Hyde Whittier team and finishing @ Oxy. Given how Rider usually plays 7-8 guys this could be a tough stretch for the team. Whittier is never an easy place to play at especially with the Poets playing re-energized and focused after their Cal Tech no show. The back to back of @CMS and @Chapman may very well determine the top 3 seeds in the conference tournament. CLU does control their own destiny and if they go 4-0 they will be the 1 seed and outright conference champs. I don't see this happening though as this 4 game stretch is the toughest remaining schedule out there.

Smith and Powdrill have been the best 2-man combo in the conference averaging 37ppg, but don't count out their role players as Wade, Apele, Mcguire and Lynott all play key roles for the Kingsmen. In the end they go as Smith and Powdrill go and those two have proven VERY difficult to slow let alone stop. Smith is lightning quick with a reliable jump shot and can really take it to the rim and make good decisions off ball screens. If it wasn't for Gaffaney he would be my POY.

I think that CLU ends up going 3-1 over the their last 4 and end up at 13-3 in conference.

Chapman - @ Redlands, vs CLU, vs ULV, vs Cal Tech

Chapman has a pretty easy road to the conference tourney. The only playoff team they are facing up against is CLU at home. Redlands has struggled mightily this year especially with high pace teams though Currier Gym is always tough on a Saturday. ULV, though feisty, is still lacking a go to scorer and has struggled to win close games in conference and on the road. Cal Tech, though the darlings of the last week should be no issue for Chapman at home.

Zaversnick has slowed down a bit as conference has worn on and teams can scout Chapman, but that hasn't stopped the general production from the Panthers. Hamasaki has played well, but give all the credit to the Young twins and more so Garrett James. Those 3 have really stepped up as teams key in on the star guards and have taken advantage of their opportunities. The Panthers are always well coached and have found a way of winning a lot of close games this year.

The last 5 games have been rough for the Panthers as the are 2-3 with one of their wins coming @ CMS in OT (a game I think CMS fumbled away). I'm guessing it is a combination of teams being better prepared and fatigue that is leading to this.

I think that Chapman finishes strong as they realize how important home court is in the SCIAC playoffs and that they could still have an opportunity for an at-large with a 22-3 regular season record. They go 3-1 and finish at 12-4

CMS - vs Cal Tech, @ Oxy, vs Pomona, vs CLU, @ ULV

CMS has 5 games left as the 9 team conference scheduling creates some 3 game weeks for teams. They start the closing stretch against a rested and confident Cal Tech team on one-days rest. This will really rest the Stags as it's easy to let your guard down against Cal Tech. I know Scali will have the Stags ready to play tomorrow but they will have to execute and defend at a high level to win tomorrow. I still can't figure out which Oxy team will come to play, but I do know that the Stags will be ready to face the dribble drive and frenetic pace Newhall has his guys playing. I am worried about fatigue in this game as it will be the 3rd game in 5 nights and Oxy will be pressing for 40 minutes. The last game of their 4 games in 7 nights is vs Pomona which should be another classic. Pomona will be playing for their playoff life and CMS will be looking to stay in the hunt for another regular season championship potentially making it 6 out of the last 7. I'm expecting a slugfest, low scoring, hotly contested matchup. To close out the Stags host CLU in what could be a de facto regular season championship game which I again expect to be a physical battle.

There have been 3 pleasant surprises for me this year for the Stags: (1) the development of the 5 men. Coach Fortson has done a marvelous job getting Lane and Lund to be a high powered post-up tag team. They are averaging 13 and 10 in conference with Lane at really picking up his rebounding game. (2) The 3 Jacks - Earley, Grodahl and Ely. Earley is the glue of the team and takes pressure off Gaffaney in bringing the ball up and keeping continuity in the offense. Grodahl has round a second wind in conference and is playing at an all-conference caliber again, specifically in his toughness and rebounding. It looks like his shot is starting to feel good again which is a great sign for the Stags. Ely has shown he is college-ready as a frosh. He's been put into non-natural positions and still shown an ability to make big plays and defend at the college level now. The offense fits him and I expect him to be a regular for the Stags over the next 3 years. (3) Defense. Scali always has a very strong defensive team, but the length and athleticism of this team really takes them to the next level. They are a top 3 team in the nation and really can suffocate teams through a combination of fundamentals in practice, scouting, and team buy in to the philosophy coupled with the effort to execute on the demanding style the Stags play.

I expect the Stags to go 5-0 but it won't be easy and will require extreme focus and a full team effort.

Whittier - @ CLU, vs Oxy, vs Redlands, @ Pomona

Whittier has an interesting close to the year and I have no clue how they are going to finish. Within a span of a week they lost to Cal Tech by and beat Chapman by double digits. As usual they are the most talented and athletic team in the SCIAC but you never know which team is going to show up. Their remaining schedule will be challenging but I have a feeling the season finale @ Pomona will decide the 4 seed in the tournament. I think they will play CLU tight but lose a close one and then clean up at home against Oxy and Redlands. That will set up a play in game for the conference tourney agains Pomona which should be incredible.

Whittier thus far has shown flashes of brilliance with strong guard play from Desmusis, Jennings and Torres. They continue to demonstrate when the game is free flowing and up and down they are tough to beat. Jennings is phenomenal in space and getting to the rim, particularly with his left hand. Desmusis is a big time scorer who can go for 20 any night. I haven't been able to watch too many of their games (them and Oxy charge for their home game webcasts!) but from what I have seen they are dangerous when they are clicking but they have had too many lapses thus far.

I expect Whittier to go 2-2 losing a heart breaker to Pomona in the last game of the year to be bumped out.

Pomona - vs Cal Tech, @ CMS, @ Redlands, vs Whittier

This has been a tale of two seasons for Pomona; with Cohen and without Cohen. You could make a case that he should be the SCIAC POY because with him they are 6-1 in conference while without him they were 0-5. He's averaging 18ppg and playing over 35 minutes. He must have been pretty hurt because while Kats is from the Popovich school I don't think that he would keep players sidelined for rest :) Pomona is the hottest team in conference right now and I'm not sure anyone wants to play them, especially in a tournament setting. They seem to be peaking at the right time, but they are still on the outside looking in. If they do go 4-0 down the stretch they will make the playoff so they do control their fate, particularly with their last game. The key to the whole close though is the CMS game. The last one was an instant classic with McAndrews proving his clutchness yet again but with CMS playing for a 1 seed and with the opportunity to put a damper on Pomona's season I think that the Stags will be ready to go and win a close one. All won't be lost though because if Whitter slips up Pomona will still have a chance in the last game to sneak in due to tie breaker rules.

Pomona is led by the trio of McAndrews, Cohen and Brandon. Farone Collins has provided some bulk but after his injury he's been a bit less of a force. Cohen and McAndrews have been All Conference caliber all 4 of their years and Brandon has come on strong in his senior campaign, gaining confidence when Cohen was out, specifically in the upset win over Chapman where he had 22 / 9 / 5 and the game-winning tip-in. Katz is arguably the best coach in the conference (Scali and Kats are in a league of their own) and will have his players prepared for their closing stretch.

Pomona will go 3-1 and sneak into the playoff as a 4 seed.

Oxy - vs CMS, @ Whittier, @ Cal Tech, vs CLU

Oxy has sqaundered a few chances this year - losing @ Redlands and vs La Verne. That is the nature of this squad though as they are young and playing at a frenetic pace. The dribble drive offense, while compelling can be unforgiving if shots are not driving. Their pressing defense intended to push tempo also creates some issues against disciplined teams (-30 vs Chapman and CMS, giving up 90+ ppt). All that said they are still hanging on by a thread to playoff hopes. They will have to run the table and get some help and given their schedule I just don't see that happening. They can play spoiler for CMS, Whittier or CLU if they are able to spring an upset.

The team is led by Rice, Levy and Johnson who are all at 14ppg+. They are dynamic and with Johnson they have a very strong 4 which used to be the hallmark of Newhalls high-post teams (Phillips, Betty, McCoy). They have a bright future ahead and with Mikey Wells as an assistant (son of David Wells from CMS) they are also in good hands.

Oxy stumbles at goes 1-3 down the stretch.

La Verne - vs Redlands, @ Cal Tech, @ Chapman, vs CMS
Another team that has potential but still is looking to define its identity. La Verne has 14 players that have played in at least 10 games and 10 players who average over 10 minutes. It feels like the minutes are not consistent outside of a few players and Reed might be trying to over coach the team. The one thing I will say though is that they genuinely look like they are a team. They are all cheering each other one and that is not an easy thing to do with 24 players on the roster. Reed has a good thing going but it seems like they are almost trying too hard to be competitive. They seemingly change their game plan every night to out match their opponent instead of trying to impose their will on teams. With a roster this deep and athletic they should press at 94 feet with a run and jump and try to create an up tempo game.

Hakim Arnold has been their go to player in conference with a variety of other guys stepping up in different games. It's very difficult to get a read on the team as they change so frequently.

I think that they go 2-2 down the stretch.

Cal Tech - @ CMS, @ Pomona, vs ULV, vs Oxy, @ Chapman

The cindery story of the last week in Division 3. 2 game winning streak including and emphatic 92-77 win vs Whittier. The pieces are coming together for Eslinger. The rest of the season should be interesting as they have 3 tough road games and two opportunities to win at home vs La Verne and Oxy. I think that they end up coming up short but there will be some great games as they close.

They have a great front court with Al Reyes, Emezie and Houge and have found some dead eye shooters that complement them well. They are always running good offense and have been really playing well all conference.

I expect the team to continue to develop and winning 2 games in conference this year was a step in the right direction.

Redlands - @ ULV, vs Chapman, vs Pomona, @ Whittier

Without question the biggest bust in conference this year. I have them slated to finish at 2-14 even with the best 4 man in the conference. They have had their share of heartbreak with 5 of their conference losses coming by less than 4 points. I thought that Redlands would be contending for that 4 spot this year with their front court talent but it seems for not. They have a pretty tough finish to the schedule with their only winnable game (in my opinion) @ ULV. They will be competitive in their other 3 but I just don't see them winning.


So with that my projected final standing are:


Team
Conference Record
Claremont-Mudd-Scripps   
13-3
CLU
13-3
Chapman
12-4
Pomona-Pitzer
9-7
Whittier
9-7
Occidental
6-10
La Verne
6-10
Cal Tech
2-14
Redlands
2-14

SCIAC tourney would be Pomona @ CMS, Chapman @ CLU.

Let the last 2 weeks begin!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on February 12, 2015, 12:45:56 PM
stagg44...plus K to you for a good review/preview!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 12, 2015, 01:19:06 PM
Quote from: WoostAr on February 11, 2015, 06:15:04 PM
Chapman at #3 a bit of a surprise to me with only 15 games that count...probably won't stay in that spot after last night's game factors in.

The WIAC moved to the Central??...I must have missed that...that's huge for the West.

Chapman playing five games out of Division III hurts them. If they are at the table with say 17 wins versus a team with 21... it is going to stand out. Need to play more Division III games even if it means heading to events like the D3hoops.com Classic in Las Vegas.

And yes, the WIAC moved to the Central. All regions are now alike as the Central Region on the women's side has had the WIAC for a number of years. Now the regions in both sports are identical (even by name).

Quote from: WoostAr on February 12, 2015, 01:07:02 AM
Looks like the Texas schools are no longer in the West either??  UT Dallas is regionally ranked in the south.

Texas schools have never been in the West - at least in recent menory - always part of the South Region.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on February 12, 2015, 01:45:22 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 12, 2015, 01:19:06 PM


Quote from: WoostAr on February 12, 2015, 01:07:02 AM
Looks like the Texas schools are no longer in the West either??  UT Dallas is regionally ranked in the south.

Texas schools have never been in the West - at least in recent menory - always part of the South Region.

Well how about that...guessed I spaced on that for the last however many years.

Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 12, 2015, 01:19:06 PM
Quote from: WoostAr on February 11, 2015, 06:15:04 PM
Chapman at #3 a bit of a surprise to me with only 15 games that count...probably won't stay in that spot after last night's game factors in.

The WIAC moved to the Central??...I must have missed that...that's huge for the West.

Chapman playing five games out of Division III hurts them. If they are at the table with say 17 wins versus a team with 21... it is going to stand out. Need to play more Division III games even if it means heading to events like the D3hoops.com Classic in Las Vegas.


...this statement is true of the entire SCIAC save Caltech and La Verne -- must schedule better.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 12, 2015, 05:36:49 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 12, 2015, 01:19:06 PM
Quote from: WoostAr on February 11, 2015, 06:15:04 PM
Chapman at #3 a bit of a surprise to me with only 15 games that count...probably won't stay in that spot after last night's game factors in.

The WIAC moved to the Central??...I must have missed that...that's huge for the West.

Chapman playing five games out of Division III hurts them. If they are at the table with say 17 wins versus a team with 21... it is going to stand out. Need to play more Division III games even if it means heading to events like the D3hoops.com Classic in Las Vegas.

And yes, the WIAC moved to the Central. All regions are now alike as the Central Region on the women's side has had the WIAC for a number of years. Now the regions in both sports are identical (even by name).

Quote from: WoostAr on February 12, 2015, 01:07:02 AM
Looks like the Texas schools are no longer in the West either??  UT Dallas is regionally ranked in the south.

Texas schools have never been in the West - at least in recent menory - always part of the South Region.

Texas is in the West in baseball and other sports but has not been in basketball.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on February 13, 2015, 04:34:02 PM
Caltech's win streak halted abruptly by Claremont last night -- Stags made it look easy -- Gaffney and Lund had a great two man game going.  Caltech looked timid -- their home court confidence certainly did not travel well. Pomona Pitzer on Saturday.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gosox on February 14, 2015, 01:07:04 AM
Just fyi...it is "Caltech".....not "Cal Tech"... :)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on February 18, 2015, 03:24:52 AM
Caltech made an easy win look hard tonight against la verne. They were up big through 35 minutes and has to hold on to win by 1.

Redlands over chapman!!  Did not see that coming.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D O.C. on February 23, 2015, 01:18:15 AM
stag44...yes, thanks for the work.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on February 23, 2015, 01:50:38 PM
So we are into the last 5 games of the regular season and the entire standings have flipped around and it looks like Chapman controls their destiny.

Battle for the 1 seed:

With a Chapman win vs Caltech, they secure the 1 seed in the playoff regardless of other outcomes. If CMS and CLU win then all will finish 12-4 but Chapman takes the tiebreaker with a 3-1 record against CLU and CMS. If CLU wins and CMS loses, they have the 2nd tiebreaker with CLU as they went 2-0 vs CMS.

If Chapman Loses, then CMS has the inside track. If Chapman loses, CMS wins and CLU wins then CMS has the tiebreaker 2-0. If CLU loses then CMS wins outright.

The only way for CLU to win the SCIAC is to beat Oxy and have Chapman lose to Caltech and CMS lose to La Verne.

In another way:

Chapman gets:
#1 Seed: Win vs Caltech; or Loss to Caltech AND CMS Loss to La Verne AND CLU Loss to Oxy
#2 Seed: Loss vs Caltech AND CMS Win or CLU Win
#3 Seed: Loss vs Caltech AND CMS AND CLU Win

CMS gets:
#1 Seed: Win at La Verne AND Chapman loss vs Caltech
#2 Seed: Win at La Verne AND Chapman win, Loss at La Verne AND CLU Loss
#3 Seed: Loss at La Verne AND CLU Win

CLU gets:
#1 Seed: Win vs Oxy AND Chapman AND CMS loss
#2 Seed: Win vs Oxy AND Chapman or CMS Loss
#3 Seed: Win vs Oxy AND Chapman and CMS Win, Loss to Oxy

The 4 seed is also up for grabs with 2 teams still fighting for it, with Whittier in the driver seat.

Whittier gets:
#4 Seed: Win vs Redlands or Win vs Pomona

Pomona gets:
#4 Seed: Win vs Whittier AND Whittier Loss to Redlands

This could get cleared up tonight with Whittier hosting Redlands. With a win, they can rest their players on Tuesday and prepare for Fridays game. With a loss they are playing on a back-to-back on the road in a play-in game for the 4 seed.

My predictions are:

#1 Chapman
#2 CMS
#3 CLU
#4 Whittier

If it plays out this way the Whittier - Chapman game will be VERY interesting given the Poets won at Chapman a couple weeks ago and seem to be playing great offense.

CMS - CLU will be a rematch of last years semifinal where CLU stunned CMS in the last game at Ducey with a Powdrill bank shot as the game clock was under 3 seconds. They had a week to prepare and completely overhauled their offense to play the Stags and as a result Smith had an incredible game as did Powdrill and they were able to catch the Stags sleep walking in the first half and held on of the win.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on February 24, 2015, 12:19:58 PM
Whittier is in with a 67-57 win last night. I expect them to rest some of their starters tonight as they are locked into the 4 seed.

Chapman, CMS and CLU play tonight to settle 1-3. I expect all 3 to win and the standings to be Chapman, CMS then CLU for the tourney
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on February 24, 2015, 04:06:56 PM
Great to see Tyler Gaffaney get some National Press. He was put on the 2nd Team CoSIDA Capital One Academic All American Team!

http://www.cosida.com/documents/2015/2/24/2014_15_CapOne_D3_Basketball_Teams.pdf
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on February 24, 2015, 06:53:08 PM
Caltech players in the news as well:

Rob Anderson made the good works team: http://gocaltech.com/sports/mbkb/2014-15/releases/2015020986vkbh

KC Emezie voted Stud of the Week by Bennetrank as well:  http://www.bennettrank.com/collegebasketball/d3-mens-basketball-studs-of-the-week-14/

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on February 25, 2015, 12:55:24 AM
SCIAC Regular Season Done.

Congrats to Tri-Champions Chapman, CMS and CLU. By virtue of going 3-1 vs CMS and CLU, Chapman gets the 1 seed. CMS goes 2, and CLU goes 3. Whittier fills out the tourney with the 4 spot. Pomona, Oxy, La Verne, Redlands and Caltech round out the conference.

Whittier @ Chapman
CLU @ CMS

Friday Night - should be great games!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 25, 2015, 01:59:52 PM
Final public men's basketball regional rankings are out: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2015/02/25/final-public-ncaa-regional-rankings-released/ (http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2015/02/25/final-public-ncaa-regional-rankings-released/)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on February 25, 2015, 03:50:25 PM
No SCIAC teams left -- looks like the SCIAC will likely be relegated to one team no matter what happens in the tourney -- again.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cmsme on March 01, 2015, 01:02:32 AM
Good luck to the Stags.  Great game tonight. Very exciting.  I really hope there is no way CMs will be playing Chapman for the first game in the tournament.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SJSUPhil on March 01, 2015, 09:19:56 PM
Quote from: WoostAr on February 18, 2015, 03:24:52 AM
Caltech made an easy win look hard tonight against la verne. They were up big through 35 minutes and has to hold on to win by 1.

Redlands over chapman!!  Did not see that coming.

It was a tough year for my Bulldogs, but that upset over Chapman eased the pain a bit.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: (509)Rat on March 01, 2015, 11:23:54 PM
Quote from: cmsme on March 01, 2015, 01:02:32 AMI really hope there is no way CMs will be playing Chapman for the first game in the tournament.

Oh I really don't think you have to worry about that...
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on March 02, 2015, 12:38:52 PM
Quote from: (509)Rat on March 01, 2015, 11:23:54 PM
Quote from: cmsme on March 01, 2015, 01:02:32 AMI really hope there is no way CMs will be playing Chapman for the first game in the tournament.

Oh I really don't think you have to worry about that...

Agreed...no way Chapman gets in.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on March 02, 2015, 03:04:20 PM
http://static.psbin.com/f/r/wy91z3smmqd88e/mens-basketball-bracket-2015.pdf

draw is out -- About as good a draw as CMS could ask for -- first time in a long time I thought there was a possiblity for a sciac team to make it out of the first weekend.  Hell of a sweet 16 draw if they make it that far though.
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Post by: stag44 on March 03, 2015, 04:27:11 PM
Just finished up putting together PER metrics and published the top 100 players in the nation this year. I'll narrow this to include just the NCAA eligible players later this week.

It does seem that the figures skew slightly higher than I would have expected but that could be attributed to the larger variance between players in D3 vs the NBA.

I love seeing Tyler Gaffaney at #3 - he should be a 1st Team All American this year!

http://stag44.blogspot.com/2015/03/ncaa-division-3-per-rankings-march-2.html
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Post by: WoostAr on March 03, 2015, 05:22:52 PM
Quote from: stag44 on March 03, 2015, 04:27:11 PM
Just finished up putting together PER metrics and published the top 100 players in the nation this year. I'll narrow this to include just the NCAA eligible players later this week.

It does seem that the figures skew slightly higher than I would have expected but that could be attributed to the larger variance between players in D3 vs the NBA.

I love seeing Tyler Gaffaney at #3 - he should be a 1st Team All American this year!

http://stag44.blogspot.com/2015/03/ncaa-division-3-per-rankings-march-2.html

Check out the minutes column -- he has to be top ten in the nation in minutes per game.  I'm interested to see (assuming CMS wins their first game - big assumption) how he does in the second game.

Do you think the strength (or lack there-of) of the SCIAC factors in to his numbers at all? -- it will be a true test playing against these tourney teams.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on March 03, 2015, 05:59:32 PM
Quote from: WoostAr on March 03, 2015, 05:22:52 PM

Check out the minutes column -- he has to be top ten in the nation in minutes per game.  I'm interested to see (assuming CMS wins their first game - big assumption) how he does in the second game.

Do you think the strength (or lack there-of) of the SCIAC factors in to his numbers at all? -- it will be a true test playing against these tourney teams.

I don't think that the SCIAC factors too much into it because every team is trying to stop him and if you look at his numbers against non SCIAC teams they are equally impressive - his stats against UWSP were very good as they were against NWC and NAIA schools.

I do think that tourney teams will test Tyler, but they also wont have the same time, film and familiarity to scout the Stags. SCIAC coaches often see 5-7 games live of the Stags which gives them opportunity to scout and understand Tyler much better than teams in the NCAAs.

I'll put together a TLU preview hopefully in the next day or two!
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Post by: stag44 on March 05, 2015, 02:11:37 PM
Stags are in Texas! Should be a great game!

TLU is athletic, fast and scrappy. They remind me of a Whittier with their frenetic pace on missed baskets but also have the execution in the halfcourt of a Chapman this year with very capable guards who can shoot well and create opportunities with the dribble.

It will be a great game. I'm very curious to see how TLU ends up defending us. I have a feeling they will try to be physical and pressure us even though that is not their style of defense. They may throw a decent amount of 1-3-1 so they don't have to guard us as well.
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Post by: stag44 on March 05, 2015, 02:15:23 PM
Congrats to the All SCIAC Team!! Deserved POY for Tyler!

POY: Tyler Gaffaney, CMS

1st Team

First Team               
Michael Cohen, PP
Nick Demusis, Whittier       
Taylor Hamasaki   , Chapman
Coltrane Powdrill, Cal Lu
Arik Smith, Cal Lu
Colin Zavrsnick, Chapman    
               
Second Team               
Aljosa Bjekovic, Redlands
Kc Emezie, Caltech
Eric Jennings, Whittier
Andrew Johnson, Oxy
Shelby Lane, CMS
Kyle McAndrews, Pomona

Newcomer of the Year: Andrew Torres, Whittier
Ted Ducey Award: Garrett James (Chapman), Bryan Joel (Caltech)
Coach of the Year: Ken Scalmanini, CMS
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on March 06, 2015, 07:42:58 PM
Great win for CMS but (again -- I'm probably getting annoying here) I don't see the reasoning for leaving Gaffney in for 38+ minutes in a blowout when there is a game against a high-caliber team 2 days away.  Most coaches are praying they can rest their starters for as many minutes as possible in the first of two games in a weekend -- when you're up 30 it seems like an appropriate time.
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Post by: John Gleich on March 06, 2015, 08:24:56 PM
Quote from: WoostAr on March 06, 2015, 07:42:58 PM
Great win for CMS but (again -- I'm probably getting annoying here) I don't see the reasoning for leaving Gaffney in for 38+ minutes in a blowout when there is a game against a high-caliber team 2 days away.  Most coaches are praying they can rest their starters for as many minutes as possible in the first of two games in a weekend -- when you're up 30 it seems like an appropriate time.

It's even worse... They play TOMORROW.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on March 06, 2015, 08:35:54 PM
Check out the box score  play by play. There may e a mistake as it shows him leaving and entering the game at the 12:57 mark.
Other than that, maybe he wanted to play. He did book a lot of minutes all season.
Congrads on the win and good luck the rest of the way.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on March 06, 2015, 09:16:22 PM
I watched the second half online...he did not leave until under 2 minutes to go in the game and that was the first time he came out -- even the announcers were commenting on it.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 07, 2015, 01:45:53 AM
1. The media timeouts make these 38 minutes less stressful than the usual and will make tomorrow easier as well.
2. Sorry, I just have to chuckle. SCIAC is in this situation so rarely that one of the regular posters doesn't know when second round games are. :)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on March 07, 2015, 11:49:12 AM
...and he went to Wooster. Really no excuse for that error.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on March 07, 2015, 12:22:09 PM
Exciting for the Stags to get out of the first round in convincing fashion!!

Re: Tyler minutes - I think the medias help alot and generally the difference about 35 minutes is relatively trivial.

ETBU looked nice last night and playing a true road game for the Stags should be a great time. If the Stags can control tempo this will be a fun game!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cmsme on March 07, 2015, 12:55:25 PM
Wish you guys the best.  This is very exciting.  I am looking forward to the game.   :D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cmsme on March 07, 2015, 06:45:57 PM
That game did me in.  I can only imagine how exhausted the coach and players must be feeling.  Stag44--what did you think?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dahlby on March 07, 2015, 07:19:46 PM
I thought the last CMS comeback with under a minute to go was great. Too bad that the last 3 pointer did not fall. Really was pulling for CMS. They had a good season and put on a good showing in the tourney. Can't wait for next season. Congrads to CMS on their season!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on March 07, 2015, 10:08:26 PM
Gaffney 6-23....5-10 fewer minutes last night and maybe some more of those go in.

Good season for the stags...happy to see the sciac get out of the first round.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on March 16, 2015, 02:47:49 PM
Gaffney recognized as regional player of the year.

Arik Smith 2nd team

Zavrsnick and Powdrill 3rd team.

http://www.d3hoops.com/awards/all-region/2014-15/index

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coach_dains on April 14, 2015, 08:26:05 PM
The NABC Division III All-Star game is uploaded to youtube.

http://youtu.be/jnEyG-3au-k


Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coach_dains on May 27, 2015, 03:17:39 AM
The SCIAC All-Star team had their first warm-up game against the Homenetmen Glendale Ararat Chapter, before they head to Italy to play four games from June 1-8.  Despite only having six players at their disposal due to conflicting schedules and injuries, and being undersized against a team that featured three 6'7 players, the SCIAC team won 84-82.  Colin Zavrsnick (Chapman) was fouled with .7 secs and knocked down 2 FTs for the win.  In tonight's contest, Zavrsnick was joined by fellow teammate Taylor Hamasaki, CLU's Arik Smith, CIT's Andrew Hogue, and Whittier's Andrew Bucholtz.  Nick Demusis (Whittier) and Michael Cohen (PP) were in attendance, but could not play due to minor injuries.  Not in attendance were Coltrane Powdrill (CLU), John Joyce (CHAP), and Niall Harrison (ULV).

The Homenetmen Glendale Ararat Chapter, is one of the top teams that play in the Pan-Armenian games, once every four years.
https://www.ararat.org/divisions/athletics/pan-armenian.html
http://www.armradio.am/en/2015/03/25/6th-pan-armenian-games-on-august-2-13/

The Ararat Chapter featured 2004 SCIAC MVP, Zareh Avedian (CLU, 6'7), Narbeh Ebrahimian (SDSU, 6'4), and Zareh Zargaryan (CSDH, 6'7).

It was a good first showing.  The SCIAC team is hoping to have two more exhibitions before they leave on Monday.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gosox on May 31, 2015, 08:50:42 PM
Coach Dains, thanks for the update!....it is greatly appreciated, love seeing ALL the SCIAC players get together for one last round of games...good luck the rest of the way!
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Post by: coach_dains on June 01, 2015, 12:04:34 PM
The SCIAC All-Stars had their final tune-up scrimmage last night at Whittier college.  After a couple of 5 minute halves of intrasquad, the SCIAC team joined together to play a mix of local college graduates and NBA hopefuls.  To say the least, there is a difference between a 1st-Team SCIAC two-guard and Stanley Johnson, a predicted lottery pick, from Arizona.  All-in-all, the SCIAC team is coming together nicely and look to be very competitive for their four games in Rome and Florence from June 2-7.  They will be leaving today and returning June 8th. I will try to keep you all updated as we move forward.
Ciao!

Roster:

Bucholtz, Andrew - Whittier
Cohen, Michael - Pomona-Pitzer
Demusis, Nick - Whitter
Hamasaki, Taylor - Chapman
Harrison, Niall - Laverne
Hogue, Andrew - Cal Tech
Joyce, John - Chapman
Powdrill, Coltrane - CLU
Smith, Arik - CLU
Zavrsnick, Colin - Chapman

Head Coach - Mark Jensen - Whittier
Asst. Coach - Geoff Daiins - CLU
Asst. Coach - Ryan Conboy - Whittier
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coach_dains on June 02, 2015, 10:59:40 PM
Day 1:
The SCIAC All-star trip has begun and we have all arrived safely in Rome with minimal hiccups. We flew out of LAX to Madrid, Spain.  After a 2 hr layover, we flew into Rome. Once we found John Joyce's passport, that had fallen out of his pocket, at Rome airport security we were met by our Premeire International tour guide, George. George, to say the least, is a jovial Croation/Serbian gentleman that self admits he likes his cigarette, cappuccino, cigarette, cappuccino every morning. Probably, in that order.

Once at the hotel, we were served dinner - Bread w/olive oil, 2 large portions of pasta, porkchops, spinach, salad, and of course, a nice ending cup of GELATTO!!  It was a very nice meal to end our very long, first leg, of our trip!

We plan on visiting Downtown Rome from 845 am - 4 pm, having lunch in the city during the site seeing. We will return to the hotel for dinner, then prepare for our first game at 8pm.

It is really neat to hear these young men laugh, talk, and interact about their experiences in the SCIAC and from their particular schools. These guys have competed against each other for 2-4 years and now they get to play for each other. Great start to to what looks like a fantastic trip!!

I will try to keep you updated the best I can!!
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Post by: coach_dains on June 03, 2015, 07:43:24 PM
 Wednesday, June 3, 2015

Waking up early at 6:30 AM was quite the chore, as we have yet  to get adjusted to the time change. But we made it down for our buffet breakfast before we headed out on the bus to see downtown Rome at 830. To say the least, the bus ride through downtown Rome was an adventure. As a pedestrian, a Vespa driver, or the driver of a Fiat, you are constantly in survival mode switching lanes or making a simple left turn.

After several stoplights, U-turns, and illegal crossings we made it to our first destination, a small farmers market in the middle of the city.   In the  piazza Campo dei Fiori, we all ventured around looking at the available spices, foods, and trinkets for purchase. Of all the items, this selfie stick became the most popular item!! Andrew Bucholtz's bartering skills were in full effect as he purchased the hot item  at 50% of cost. Just follow him on Instagram and you will see all of his pictures from his selfie stick!!

From there, we moved  through the Piazza Navona and  on to the world-famous Pantheon.  To say the least, everyone was truly excited to see and learn about the history and to see the culture that was around them.  We moved on over to the Trevi fountain but unfortunately it was under renovation. There was no water, so no wishes could be made by throwing two coins over your shoulder. But they did allow close up views with the scaffolding.  But we were still rewarded with some fantastic gelato!

From there, we walked through the Foro Romano, The heart of ancient Rome. Also known as the political, economic, religious and commercial hub of the city during Republican times. This path, of course let us directly to the COLOSSEO,  or Coliseum.  Our tour guide, George,  worked his magic and got us in without the typical wait. to say the least, it was an unbelievable site. I think we heard more "GLADIATOR" quotes during the tour then if you had actually watched the movie. The team is truly excited to be there and to be able to witness this spectacular multipurpose venue.

After the coliseum, we ventured on the subway back to the hotel for a little R and R as we needed to prepare for our game against ASD Petriana Roma, an 8 pm tipoff.   As you could imagine, after a long day of walking, the SCIAC all stars  started off a little sluggish.  After  being down early, they were able to make a great run and take a 34 to 29 lead by the end of the quarter.  They found their stride in the middle of the second quarter and took a 56-47 lead into halftime.  From then on the SCIAC all-stars  blew the lead wide open and cruised to a 125 to 78 victory. From a coaching perspective, it was great to see all of these great players work together both offensivelyand defensively!  They truly trust each other, and have no problem passing the ball to each other.

Taylor Hamasaki led all scorers with 25 points  as he was able to score from all over the court with unbelievable drives and timely three-pointers.   But the team was very well-balanced as everybody pitched in. Arik Smith  was probably the most favorite player with the fans after his two amazing NBA like dunks over unexpected defenders.   John Joyce, Niall Harrison, and Andrew Hogue were very physical and created a lot of havoc in the low post. Colin Zaversnick was his typical self with 5, 3-pointers. He also showed off his defensive display with five block shots.

Now everyone must get some rest as we have another early morning planned, heading to the Vatican. I think Bucholtz is planning on taking a selfie with the Pope.  And tomorrow night they will tip off against ASD Pallacanestro SORA at 8 pm!
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Post by: coach_dains on June 04, 2015, 02:46:48 PM
You can watch tonight's second half at www.soraweb.it
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coach_dains on June 06, 2015, 01:57:20 PM

Sorry for the delay in getting this out. Due to our travel schedule, lack of Wi-Fi, and trying to catch up on sleep, this is the first opportunity to get this in.

Thursday,  June 4,  2015

Today we visited the Vatican city Museum and the Sistine Chapel. Due to the long lines, even at 8 AM, we all decided to spend nine extra euros through a travel Agency to get to the front of the line and enter the museum as it opened. Probably the best money we spent all trip thus far.

I don't think it would be fair for me to discuss every emotion that everyone of these players felt. But I do feel confident that they were surprisingly overwhelmed with the vastness and detail of everything they saw in the Vatican city Museum.   It was really great to see everyone hanging out together and discussing what they saw. Having them walk into The Sistine Chapel together, was quite interesting, as they were all looking up and trying to sneak a picture here and there without getting caught by security.  I am pretty confident that they all got great pictures.  They will truly cherish this experience.

From there, they all ventured over to Piazza San Pietro.  Unfortunately, we couldn't get into the Basilica di San Pietro due to the long lines and the short time we needed to get back to the hotel in preparation for the game later that night. But many pictures were taken  and many experiences were created.

By 5 PM, we had to be on the bus as we had a two hour ride to Sora.  There the SCIAC all-stars tipped off against the C-league, ASD Pallacanestro SORA.  As you can imagine, they had a very slow start. Walking all day, a two hour bus ride, a game the night before, and very little sleep lead to very heavy legs.  Despite sloppy play after one half, SCIAC  was ahead 41 to 32. Once the SCIAC got momentum, and a good feel for the pace of the game they dominated the second half and won 97-71.  The two Kingsmen, Arik Smith and Coltrane Powdrill led the way with 27 and 16 points. Colin Zaversnick  had a great second-half scoring 11 of his 13 points and Niall Harrison also scored in double figures with 10 points and 10 rebounds. Michael Cohen pumped in seven points, and Nick Demusis, despite dealing with a hamstring injury scored six points, five rebounds, three steals and four assists.

Tomorrow, we wake up early and travel 5 hours to Florence with a stop in Siena, and have our third game in three nights.
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Post by: coach_dains on June 07, 2015, 08:51:46 AM
 Friday, June 5, 2015

After having breakfast at 8 AM, we packed up and got on the bus to travel to Montecatini. The total drive time to here was about five hours.  About halfway through we stopped off in a little town in Tuscany called Siena. What an absolutely gorgeous place. Little did we know it is one of the most  sought after tourist attractions in Italy.

If you didn't know what you were getting yourself into, like most of us did not, you would think we just walked into a small little Italian village. After walking around through the alley ways, you come upon some beautiful historic sites.  The first being the center of Siena, the Piazza Del Campo. Every year they have a horse race with the spectators in the middle of the track and looking from the windows in the buildings around the track.  From there, you walked out the spectacular stairway, through an archway system and come up on one of the most spectacular cathedrals in all of Italy, the Siena Cathedral or Duomo. The spectacular facade was finished in 1380 and at the time was the largest Cathedral in the world. But due to lack of funds, war and disease they only completed about half. Spectacular nonetheless! After seeing the sights we are able to walk around and have lunch. Most of the group went to a local Ristorante overlooking the rest of the city where we enjoyed a nice plate of pasta served with local wild boar, evidently killed that morning. DELIZIOSO!!! And of course we finished off the meal with gelato.

Afterwards, we had about an hour to ourselves before getting on the bus heading to our hotel in Montetecatini.  We did have a game that night at 8:30 PM. But the next two hours on the bus were great. It was really great to hear all the players interacting about their experiences at their respected schools. Talking about they game planned for each other and rehashing all the special instances that happened during their seasons. Come to find out, it didn't matter what school they went to they had the same funny stories about their coaches, teammates, and each other. It was a great thing to overhear!!!

Now to the game:
If there was a reporter writing about the game, it would've been titled, "SCIAC ALL STARS 'TRAVEL' to loss against Cestistica Pescia!!  They had an unfortunate loss at the buzzer on an offensive rebound. The final was 67-65. But the story of the game was the 26 turnovers, easily half were due to traveling calls. You would think when playing international basketball, traveling would not be an issue. But evidently they stress the call when in fast break situations.  We knew about the rule, but didn't have enough time to really prepare to play that particular rule in the system. We learned That the ball needs to be balanced immediately upon a catch. We had steel after steel and fast-break after fast-break negated due to us not putting the ball down quick enoughThat the ball needs to be balanced immediately upon a catch. We had steal after steal and fast-break after fast-break negated due to us not putting the ball  down quick enough.  At one point, Colin Zaversnick had 4 steals that were immediately called travels  despite not having anyone in front of him for an easy layup. he even had to three-point shots wiped off due to " travels." The SCIAC All-Stars could never get into a rhythm.

They however did take a lead late in the fourth quarter. Arik Smith hit back-to-back three pointers only to have  Cestistica Percia match him with a three pointer and three-point play of their own to keep the game tied. Taylor Hamasaki, had a chance to take the lead with 20 seconds remaining, however his miss lead to a fast break, quick shot, and offensive rebound for the score at the buzzer.

Cestistica was led  by their 6'9" center who pumped in 30 points and 12 rebounds. Most of his damage coming through the first three quarters. Niall Harrison and Andrew Hogue played great physical defense and held him in check most of the fourth quarter. Andrew was even described as "Julius peppers" due to his physical nature on the glass and on defense.  Arik Smith was the only player in double figures with 17 points. Zaversnick,  despite having several points, approximately 10, taken away finished second in scoring with nine. Andrew Bucholtz,  had a great all-around game with seven points, 10 rebounds, to assists and two steals.

The All-Stars, will need a little break after three games in three nights. We will spend all day tomorrow in Florence, sightseeing and relaxing.The All-Stars, will need a little break after three games in three nights. We will spend all day tomorrow in Florence, sightseeing and relaxing.

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coach_dains on June 07, 2015, 06:22:51 PM
After our "travel" game we had a "free" day in Firenze (Florence) on Saturday and most of the day on Sunday to explore Montecatini (where our hotel was located) and/or travel to Pisa by train. The city of Montecatini was beautiful!!

But let's keep it on basketball......

Sunday, June 7, 2015

The SCIAC All-stars took on CUS Pisa, a mixture of players from 4 teams in the Italian 3rd division. The makeup of players for CUS came from Pisa and Livorno primarily. From the start we knew this would be the most legitimate/competitive game we would play all week. Even the officials looked official - they matched from jersey to their shoes!!!

CUS had size at every position and were very skilled in all facets of the game. Their size downplayed any lack of athleticism they had against us. The first half was a back and forth affair, as both teams struggled to get anything going consistently. The competitive nature of both teams was very high, however.

SCIAC came out very physical, pounding the ball down low to John Joyce and Niall Harrison and getting very positive results. Coltrane Powdrill and Andrew Hogue were constantly attacking the basket, with Powdrill drawing many fouls and getting to the FT line.  The guards, however, were having a difficult time finding their stride on the offensive end, but they played fantastic on the defensive end.

The second half was a different story as the guards dominated the play, particularly Colin Zaversnick. Once he started hitting his long range shots, a huge sigh of relief came over the team, and the rim got bigger for everyone. Zaversnick, Taylor Hamasaki, Arik Smith, and Powdrill all showed why they averaged over 18 ppg this season. Hamasaki was cutting up the defense with ball handling, Zaversnick hit 3 threes, Smith hit 2 more 3-balls (including 2 dunks) and Powdrill was drilling his patented pull up jumpers.

Hampered by a hamstring injury all week, Nick Demusis showed flashes of his old self with some nice drives and finishes at the rim. Michael Cohen was running the PG and had some beautiful drives to the basket. And Andrew Bucholtz ran his complete all-around floor game with defense, rebounds and assists.

Stat Leaders:
Joyce - 13 pts, 4 rebounds and two steals
Zaversnick - 22 pts, four rebounds, four assists, four steals
Powdrill - 8 pts, seven rebounds and two assists
Smith - 10 pts
Andrew Bucholtz - 11 Rebs.

It has been a fantastic trip. Now we look forward to a four hour bus ride to Milan, as we have to catch a 10 am flight!!
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Post by: madzillagd on June 08, 2015, 01:01:35 PM
Loving the write ups.  I'm reliving the past with the various destinations you're describing and had a similar experience of surprise hanging in Siena.  Being young at the time, the wife & I hadn't done much research on Siena when we traveled there years ago.  We spent the day in the square learning about the race which had just occurred a few weeks previous to our visit.  Later that night we were dining at one of the restaurants at the square and unbeknownst to us we found ourselves in the middle of a restaurant full of people from one district that participated had in the race.  At some point in the evening another district, which was having their post-race party at another restaurant in the square, stood up 100-200 people strong came over and surrounded our restaurant.  In a surreal Italian version of West Side Story they began singing their district songs and taunted each other in a good-natured way.  After several minutes of this they returned to their own restaurant; the folks from our restaurant then returned the favor.  Many years and many trips later it still remains one of my favorite memories of travel. 
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Post by: coach_dains on June 09, 2015, 03:21:57 PM
Just as a final note to wrap it all up here is a quote from Whittier assistant coach, Mark Jensen, who was the dierector and head coach for this excision:

"I had hoped that this trip to Italy would give our 10 seniors a couple of things: 1) to allow them to experience the beauty of another culture and 2) to perhaps gain some international attention on the basketball court. I feel the trip did that & more. The cultural experience of Italy will be etched on the minds & hearts of these guys forever. The competition on the court was good and the connections made with foreign clubs could potentially lead to a few of our players getting a chance to play overseas. One of the most fulfilling aspects of the trip for me was to see how 10 young men from rival schools who barely knew each other and in some cases likely felt animosity towards each other through years of fierce competition, were able to come together with a few weeks of practice and a week in Italy and come out the other side as friends. There were real bonds made by all of the players as they played with and for each other representing our conference with pride, and spent time traveling, joking and just having a good time with one another - that was special to see. I'd like to thank Coach Geoff Dains (Cal Lu) and Coach Ryan Conboy (Whittier) for all their help and support in making this first senior all-star trip a success, and hope that this is just the first of many more to come."

I hope to have some pictures up once I am fully acclimated to American time.
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Post by: coach_dains on June 09, 2015, 06:56:25 PM
Here is the local write-up on our 2nd game in SORA:
http://www.soraweb.it/basket-la-expert-lucarelli-in-amichevole-con-la-squadra-di-un-college-americano/
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Post by: coach_dains on June 11, 2015, 01:49:40 PM
Here is a quick download of all my pictures from Italy......
https://flic.kr/s/aHskdP4F7y

I am collecting more from all the other individuals.

Enjoy!
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Post by: coach_dains on June 16, 2015, 08:28:22 PM
Here is the link to our second game against SORA.....
http://www.soraweb.it/nb-sora-2000-vs-sciac-all-academic-la-diretta/

Broken down into quarters......
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Post by: Gray Fox on August 18, 2015, 10:32:20 PM

An Oxy player is featured here at number 9.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/11-student-athletes-on-what-they-learned-from-playing-college-sports_55cce90ae4b0cacb8d334e0f
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Post by: WoostAr on October 08, 2015, 05:28:06 PM
Neat Grantland article.

http://grantland.com/features/nba-gregg-popovich-san-antonio-spurs-history-coach-division-three-pomona-pitzer-college-sagehens/
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on October 09, 2015, 09:09:06 PM
Great story.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hoya86 on October 10, 2015, 09:19:52 AM
Nice professional debut last week by CMS alum Tyler Gaffaney for Spain LEB Silver league team El Olivar Zaragoza.  17 p 7 boards in 36 min at PG.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on November 03, 2015, 01:06:31 PM
Scoped out Caltech's scrimmage against MAsters College.  It was an actual game for Masters -- Caltech played everyone obviously checking out rotations. 

Only noteworthy item was the play of Nasser Al Reyes: 19 pts, 7 reb, 3 ast, 3 blocks, 1 steal -- opened the game three pointer, baseline dunk, dunk off a bounce pass.  He got a little excited after that and took some silly shots, but he obviously put in a lot of work this off-season.

For a first scrimmage I was impressed by Caltech -- definitely some things to clean up, but there were a lot of good things happening -- ready for the regular season already!!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on November 06, 2015, 09:55:40 AM
Notcied today Claremont MS is playing all of its home games across the street at Pomona-Pitzer while their athletic facilities are being renovated.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on November 12, 2015, 01:04:07 PM
Looks like we have a basketball season about to start!!

The SCIAC appears to be down this year in the minds of voters -- not a single vote for the SCIAC in d3hoops top 25. 

Looking forward to La Verne kicking off the season at 12:01 am this evening/tomorrow morning.  Going to attend to the 110 Rivalry at Oxy this saturday-- Caltech looked good in their scrimmage against Masters, not so good against USD.  Looks like there is some talent missing from Oxy's roster last year and a new (old) assistant coach coming back meaning a new (old) system?? -- I think this is the guy who ran the triangle with oxy?? -- interested to see if they run the triangle....or what??
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Lets Play Two on November 12, 2015, 03:05:19 PM
The Poets looked good in spurts vs. UNLV last week, trailing 72-50 with 5 + minutes to go.  Whittier emptied their bench and UNLV outscored the Poets 22-4 down the stretch.  Poets are athletic and quick, but lack size.  Looking forward to a good SCIAC season!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on November 15, 2015, 12:15:22 PM
Caltech with a 9 point victory over Occidental last night in the season-opening 110 Rivalry game: http://gocaltech.com/sports/mbkb/2015-16/releases/20151115az701u

Some great things happening for Caltech -- their offense appears to be clicking and the players seem to be thriving in it -- Caltech shot 55% from the field and 47% from three.  The gap in their game was free throw shooting -- 53% from the charity stripe.  David Lebaron was the break out star of the game with 25 pts -- he got great opportunities out of pass-outs from post touches and made the most of them.

Bright spot of the bench was Freshman Brent Cahill.  Fearless going to the hoop and showed the ability to hit outside jumpers -- when he adjusts to the speed of college basketball he will be something special.

The potential problem with this team is depth -- they have lost a couple players since last year who were expected to be contributors.  They have a 7 man rotation so I am interested to see how they get through their back-to-back games against Whitworth and Whitman -- they're going to have to find some rest periods for their starters. 

Caltech is now 4-4 in their last 8 games against SCIAC opponents...I look for them to make some waves in the league this year.

Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on November 20, 2015, 01:30:57 PM
Chris Ballard wrote an 8 page article on Caltech Basketball in this weeks Sports Illustrated.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cawcdad on November 22, 2015, 02:09:15 PM
Redlands played well and hung with one of the top NWC teams in Lewis & Clark losing 66-62 in Santa Cruz. The Dogs played everyone. The difference was rebounding. The Boxers controlled the boards. Images- http://blog.d3photography.com/2015/11/slideshow-men-s-basketball-redlands-vs-lewis-and-clark-november-21-2015/
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on November 23, 2015, 03:55:45 PM
Quote from: WoostAr on November 20, 2015, 01:30:57 PM
Chris Ballard wrote an 8 page article on Caltech Basketball in this weeks Sports Illustrated.

Great article.  Read it at my dentist's office.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 23, 2015, 04:24:43 PM
Me too, but in my living room instead of the dentist office.

It's very well done.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 23, 2015, 04:59:47 PM
Best line in the SI article (explaining that Caltech cuts no admissions slack whatsoever for athletes) "One of last year's top recruits had to settle for his safety school: MIT."  Only at Caltech could MIT be a safety school! ;D
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: magicman on November 25, 2015, 06:43:46 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 23, 2015, 04:59:47 PM
Best line in the SI article (explaining that Caltech cuts no admissions slack whatsoever for athletes) "One of last year's top recruits had to settle for his safety school: MIT."  Only at Caltech could MIT be a safety school! ;D

I also laughed when I read that line and thought the same thing. It was a great article though and a pleasant surprise to see a national sports magazine, especially the top sports magazine out there, devote such a long article to a Division III story. Usually if Division III gets mentioned, its an athlete in Faces in the Crowd or a 1 page article or a paragraph or two in Scorecard. I have 40 years of Sports Illustrated in boxes in my basement. I don't ever recall an article of that length for any winning program in Division III Sports, hard to believe one of the biggest losing programs got all the ink. Glad they did. 8-)   
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cawcdad on November 29, 2015, 12:40:47 PM
Cal Lutheran and Whitman played a very entertaining game after almost an hour delay when the power went out on the UC Santa Cruz campus. The first half was back and forth with exchanging the lead and tied at the half 30-30. The Missionaries jumped out in the lead in the second half, getting up by as many as 8, but the Kingsmen chipped away to tie the score just before the end of regulation. CLU scored the first points in OT but couldn't hold on. Images of the game at http://blog.d3photography.com/2015/11/slideshow-men-s-basketball-cal-lutheran-vs-whitman-november-28-2015/
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on November 29, 2015, 06:08:31 PM
Caltech has looked absolutely awful this week: the only bright spot is their half court defense, but they can't break a press and they have no clear direction on offense.  This leads to weird stat boxes where they out rebound their opponent (Linfield) by 29 and LOSE.  They only out rebounded Sarah Lawrence by 9 and managed to lose that one too despite Sarah Lawrence not winning a d3 game since, well, ever!

There has to be something going on in the locker room -- the players are simply not on the same page.  Here's hoping they get it together in the next week before Santa Cruz.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D O.C. on November 29, 2015, 06:53:02 PM
Weird Al Redlands likes to shoot, doesn't he?
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on November 29, 2015, 10:32:13 PM
Quote from: WoostAr on November 29, 2015, 06:08:31 PM
Caltech has looked absolutely awful this week: the only bright spot is their half court defense, but they can't break a press and they have no clear direction on offense.  This leads to weird stat boxes where they out rebound their opponent (Linfield) by 29 and LOSE.  They only out rebounded Sarah Lawrence by 9 and managed to lose that one too despite Sarah Lawrence not winning a d3 game since, well, ever!

There has to be something going on in the locker room -- the players are simply not on the same page.  Here's hoping they get it together in the next week before Santa Cruz.
Star struck after beig featured in SI. 8-)
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gosox on December 19, 2015, 01:57:33 PM
Hey have not heard from Oxy Bob nor Stagg44...is all well?...enjoy the posts...I pray all good...Merry Christmas ALL!!!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on December 21, 2015, 11:25:37 AM
Quote from: Gosox on December 19, 2015, 01:57:33 PM
Hey have not heard from Oxy Bob nor Stagg44...is all well?...enjoy the posts...I pray all good...Merry Christmas ALL!!!
Oxy Bob no longer posts.  All is well with him.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on December 21, 2015, 06:15:37 PM
I'm here! Just digesting the non-conference schedule :)

It's been an interesting year thus far for the SCIAC with alot of new faces. Its tough to gauge how the conference will shake out because of the new teams, interesting scheduling, and general feel from the teams.

I think that we will probably have the usual suspects competing for the SCIAC tournament: CMS, PP, CLU, Chapman all look to be playing well and competitive.

On a national landscape, though, the conference is down and I think we may be in for a one and done @ whitworth...
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gosox on January 05, 2016, 09:46:09 AM
Gray Fox thanks for the update...My best to Oxy! Stagg44 glad to see you!...Hope all had a great New Year!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on January 05, 2016, 02:20:50 PM
In a turn of events absolutely no one would have predicted, Caltech and La Verne lead CMS and PP in the SCIAC standings -- looks like we might have a little more parity than normal in the SCIAC this year!

Caltech's half court defense is pretty good this year -- if they can manage their turnovers and get their offense working they will be a tough team to beat.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on January 07, 2016, 01:51:11 AM
Caltech at Cal Lu a tale of two halves tonight...

Caltech turned the ball over 14 times in the first half leading to a 41-25 deficit.

Then came roaring back in the 2nd half scoring 45 pts to Cal Lu's 20 to take a 70-66 victory.

Caltech's offense came around a bit tonight -- Brent Cahill was huge in the second half getting to the hoop -- his misses generated points off of rebounds for Caltech.

Big showdown at Oxy Saturday between 2-0 SCIAC teams -- who would have expected that?!
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on January 07, 2016, 01:53:00 AM
One other note -- this marks the second time EVER that Caltech has beaten Cal Lu -- I believe that the series stands 2-59 in favor of Cal Lu
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on January 07, 2016, 02:02:02 AM
And since I can't help myself -- Caltech has allowed 107 pts this season, which is the best mark in the SCIAC.  They are also averaging 20 turnovers a game and still allowing the fewest points in the SCIAC -- it would be exciting to see what would happen if Caltech could clean that up.

.....I'll stop now I swear.
Title: Re: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gosox on January 07, 2016, 11:48:07 AM
Should be a good match up coming up this Saturday for the teams...
Cal Lu  at Laverne
Redlands at Pomona
CMS at Whittier
Caltech at Oxy

Will be interesting as the teams continue to shake things up...


Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on January 12, 2016, 01:21:33 PM
The SCIAC is officially completely on it's head this year as Caltech is in sole possession of first place after Chapman's loss last night, and CMS tied for last place -- we will see how those positions hold this coming Wednesday at Caltech. 

CRAZY win for La Verne last night -- not really sure how in the world they came out with a win, but you can read about it here:  http://leopardathletics.com/sports/mbkb/2015-16/releases/20160112296mos
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 14, 2016, 03:37:46 PM
As the basketball spins... there continue to be incredible stories around Division III as we get further into conference schedules. Teams leading conferences that no one suspected, programs finding success with alums at the helm, and Division III making national headlines but not for the obvious reasons. Tonight on Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com), Dave McHugh talks to those still proving people wrong as the season enters the second half.

Dave is in San Antonio for the NCAA Convention, so tonight's show is pre-recorded. Dave talked to most of the guests before some played their midweek games. The pre-recorded show along with podcast will be available starting at 7pm ET here: http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2015-16/jan14

Guests include (in order of appearance):
- Dr. Oliver Eslinger, Caltech men's coach - NABC Coach's Corner
- Rob deGrandpre, Hilbert men's coach
- Kelly Dunne, Nazareth women's coach
- Zach Filzen, No. 22 Lancaster Bible men's coach (Gordon Mann interview)
- Ashlee Rogers, Marymount women's coach

You can also tune into the podcast(s):
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Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on January 14, 2016, 07:37:09 PM
4 games into conference and things are wide open with the conference completely upside down relative to the last few years.

CIT, ULV, Oxy, and Whittier are all 3-1
Chapman is 2-2
CMS, PP, UR, and CLU are all 1-3

Obviously CIT is the surprise of the year thus far. They have been competitive in every conference game and even against CMS, their sole loss, they were up 17-7 and the game was tied with 7 minutes to go. Al-Reyes is a legit 5 with 3pt range and they play aggressive and stingy defense. Turnovers continue to be problematic for them, but this team is not a walkover like some teams of the past.

The other interesting note is the ULV, Oxy and Whittier are all historically teams that like up-tempo pace which is usually overcome by the execution and physicality that CMS, PP, CLU and Chapman typically play with. This year that script has flipped as they are dictating pace in the games and have some exceptional players (Torres from Whittier, Johnson from Oxy, and Arnold from ULV).

After watching some of the games going into conference it looked like Chapman was the team to beat, but they have had some hiccups the last two games losing on a crazy buzzer beater @ ULV and then dropping a game @ Oxy.

CMS has been hampered with injuries all year, but as a biased viewer, I don't think you can ever count them out. Scali will find a way to get them to play tough and grit out wins. They were blown out by Whittier and thoroughly outplayed in every facet. They were one possession away from beating both ULV and Oxy but are still learning to close out games.

I think its going to be a wild ride in the SCIAC and I can see a 12-4 or even 11-5 winning conference title.

Excited for the games on Saturday!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on January 21, 2016, 12:35:40 PM
Caltech crushed by Chapman last night 83-60 -- not sure it was really that close. 

Caltech hung tight for the first 14 minutes of the game -- actually held a lead w/ 6:47 left in the first half, yet somehow they trailed by 20 at half!!

This was my first chance to see Cam Haslam play -- as a freshman he outclasses everyone in the SCIAC -- little scary.  He put up 30 and Caltech's defensive scheme clearly didn't work against him.

Caltech's effort a little suspect in the second half last night -- we will see what adjustments they make for La Verne on Saturday.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D O.C. on January 30, 2016, 01:12:17 AM
Go see the Mater Dei Extravaganza 5th and 6th at 7:15 pm.

Or you can just watch this 21 minute video on the number 1 high school team in the country - 3 brothers and 1 cousin playing together for only this 1 year.
They're Fr./So./Jr./Sr.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8zMub7rlPY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8zMub7rlPY)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 03, 2016, 04:46:50 PM
For the third consecutive year, Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com) will air for 12 hours as the regular season enters the final four weeks. Dave McHugh will chat with coaches, administrators, student-athletes, and others involved in Division III basketball from around the country. Other guests will include those who have Division III roots or appreciate the division and the game along with the student-athletes who play the sport.

Hoopsville will air from 10 a.m. to 10 p.m. (and maybe later) on Thursday, February 4 live from the WBCA/NABC Studio. You can see what guests are scheduled, get more information, and watch the show here: http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2015-16/feb4

You can also read the press release about the show: http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/hoopsville-marathon-2016

Here is the guest list as we speak. All times are Eastern and subject to change. Additional guests to be added if and when necessary:


   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
TimeGuestSchool
10:15amConnie TilleySt. Norbert (WBB) - WBCA Center Court
10:40amJamie PurdyPeidmont (WBB)
11:00amKeri CarolloUW-Whitewater (WBB) - Nat'l Committee Chair
11:20amBrent PollariSaint Mary's (Minn.) (WBB)
11:40amKent MadsenNo. 21 Wheaton (Ill.) (WBB)
12:00pmRussell LoydRose-Hulman (MBB)
12:20pmKevin BroderickNazareth (MBB)
12:40pmJustin ScottArcadia (MBB)
1:00pmSam HargravesNo. 12 Alma (MBB)
1:20pmLenny ReichMount Union (SID)
1:40pmMaureen WebsterClarkson (WBB)
2:00pmBetsy WitmanYork (Pa.) (WBB)
2:20pmSara LeeDenison (WBB)
2:40pmKlay KneuppelWisconsin Lutheran (MBB)
3:00pmBrian Van HaaftenBuena Vista (MBB) - Nat'l Committee Chair
3:30pmSydney MossNo. 1 Thomas More (WBB)
3:45pmAaron RousellBucknell (WBB) - former Chicago coach
4:00pmTim ShanahanStaten Island (WBB)
4:20Pat CunninghamTrinity (Texas) (MBB) - NABC Coach's Corner
4:50pmBubba SmithSewanee (MBB)
5:15pmBen StrongFormer Guilford All-American
5:30pmKevin ConnorsESPN SportsCenter Anchor - Ithaca alumnus
6:00pmKristen DowlingClaremont-Mudd-Scripps (WBB)
6:20pmAllison ColemanSage (WBB)
6:40pmLandry KosmalskiSwarthmore (MBB)
7:00pmDave NilandNo. 23 Penn State-Behrend (MBB)
7:20pmAaron GallettaLasell (MBB)
7:40pmJohn BaronGwynedd-Mercy (MBB)
8:00pm
8:20pm
8:40pmMelissa HodgdonWheaton (Mass.) (WBB)
9:00pmG.P. GromackiNo. 2 Amherst (WBB)
9:20pmJames Wagner
9:40pmHAPPY HOURFree-for-all of calls, tweets, and fun!

We hope to get at least the full show on a podcast, or several podcast, during the on Friday. You can find it here:
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Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 10, 2016, 01:59:10 PM
Regional Rankings: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2016/02/10/first-2016-regional-rankings-released-today/
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on February 11, 2016, 04:28:13 PM
http://gocaltech.com/sports/mbkb/2015-16/releases/20160211kun2a7
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on February 11, 2016, 04:30:05 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 10, 2016, 01:59:10 PM
Regional Rankings: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2016/02/10/first-2016-regional-rankings-released-today/

And (un-suprisingly), no SCIAC teams are included. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on February 14, 2016, 05:27:15 PM
After Saturday, Chapman has a 2 game lead with 3 to play over the rest of conference, so they are pretty comfortable in the 1 spot going in to the SCIAC tourney.

After that it is a complete log jam where there are scenarios where any of the 8 teams could fill the other 3 playoff spots and potential scenario with 7 teams finishing at 8-8 which would be absolutely crazy.

As it stands now, the Whittier, La Verne and Redlands have the inside track to the and control their own destiny if they win out.

My Stags have played well the last 5 games after starting conference at a terrible 1-6. They have gone back to old-school Scali ball predicated on tough defense, controlling tempo and full team contribution for scoring.

Lets see what happens over the next 10 days!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on February 19, 2016, 02:11:51 AM
Coming out party for Brent Cahill last night -- and now the SCIAC gets interesting with 4 teams battling for 2 berths in the SCIAC tourney with only two games left

Caltech: Chapman, Pomona Pitzer
CMS: Redlands, Champan
Redlands: CMS, La Verne
LA Verne: PP, Redlands

Should be an exciting next week!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 24, 2016, 02:21:14 PM
Final public regional rankings are out: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2016/02/24/third-ncaa-regional-ranking/
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on February 24, 2016, 10:36:33 PM
In a crazy finish to the conference slate, CMS snuck into the 4 seed alone. They actually had the spot locked up after the earlier games as Pomona beat Caltech and Redlands stunned ULV. La Verne was up 15 with under 8 minutes to go and up 5 with under 2 minutes to go and couldn't find a way to win at home on senior night. If ULV had won, they were in. CMS ended up not needing to worry about a 5-team tiebreaker by beating handing Chapman their first loss at home. This completes a pretty incredible turnaround for the Stags who were in dead last at 1-6 and finished conference 7-2 to hit .500 and make the top 4. 

SCIAC Tourney Set for Friday:

CMS @ Chapman
Redlands @ Whittier

Winners play at highest remaining seed for the one SCIAC bid this year to play @ Whitman in the NCAA 1st round.

Preview to come tomorrow
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: (509)Rat on February 25, 2016, 07:51:49 AM
Quote from: stag44 on February 24, 2016, 10:36:33 PM
Winners play at highest remaining seed for the one SCIAC bid this year to play @ Whitman in the NCAA 1st round.

How much did blackhawks4 pay you to say that?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 25, 2016, 12:46:32 PM
Quote from: (509)Rat on February 25, 2016, 07:51:49 AM
Quote from: stag44 on February 24, 2016, 10:36:33 PM
Winners play at highest remaining seed for the one SCIAC bid this year to play @ Whitman in the NCAA 1st round.

How much did blackhawks4 pay you to say that?

Assuming Whitman gets an at-large bid, should they not win the AQ.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: (509)Rat on February 25, 2016, 03:14:50 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 25, 2016, 12:46:32 PM
Quote from: (509)Rat on February 25, 2016, 07:51:49 AM
Quote from: stag44 on February 24, 2016, 10:36:33 PM
Winners play at highest remaining seed for the one SCIAC bid this year to play @ Whitman in the NCAA 1st round.

How much did blackhawks4 pay you to say that?

Assuming Whitman gets an at-large bid, should they not win the AQ.

That's one of the assumptions it takes to get to his original conclusion
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on February 25, 2016, 05:35:51 PM
Quote from: (509)Rat on February 25, 2016, 03:14:50 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 25, 2016, 12:46:32 PM
Quote from: (509)Rat on February 25, 2016, 07:51:49 AM
Quote from: stag44 on February 24, 2016, 10:36:33 PM
Winners play at highest remaining seed for the one SCIAC bid this year to play @ Whitman in the NCAA 1st round.

How much did blackhawks4 pay you to say that?

Assuming Whitman gets an at-large bid, should they not win the AQ.

That's one of the assumptions it takes to get to his original conclusion

I think that WW wins the NWC tourney and then Whitman gets in as an at-large. Given then 2 NWC teams, the SCIAC winner gets sent up. I guess in either case though, they SCIAC has to go through Eastern Washington.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: (509)Rat on February 29, 2016, 11:44:54 PM
So what is there to know about Chapman?

Whitman played a handful of SCIAC teams early in the season, but those results obviously don't mean a whole lot at this point as every team evolves throughout the year to some extent. Whitman beat La Verne by 33, Caltech by 38, Cal Lu by 6, and Redlands by 46. Chapman beat up on Willamette twice early in the year (their only NWC opponent).

Hopefully the Panthers players and fans can stay an extra day after the game and tour some of the local wineries that I think will be a pleasant surprise for what I assume will be a bus load of aficionados. After all, if they can afford to go to Chapman...
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on March 01, 2016, 01:52:32 PM
All there is to know is as Cam Haslam goes, so goes Chapman -- they displayed some weakness on the road this year -- they actually lost to La Verne at La Verne. 

Expecting Whitman to come out on top with relative ease, but let's see how this goes.

Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on September 28, 2016, 01:22:44 PM
Caltech has some exciting new recruits to add to their line-up this year

http://gocaltech.com/sports/mbkb/2016-17/releases/20160727oi1k49

And here's their schedule -- it will be interesting to see how this team does with all the seniors they have -- Caltech's notoriously hard curriculum typically eases up a bit senior year which could lend to more time spent on basketball and most of these guys have played substantial minutes all 3 years, replacing Emezie will be a challenge but this team is primed to make a run at the SCIAC tournament for the first time in forever.

http://gocaltech.com/sports/mbkb/2016-17/schedule
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on November 06, 2016, 02:25:05 PM
Caltech lost 115-58.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on November 08, 2016, 11:47:37 AM
...to Long Beach State a Division 1 team that arguably should have been in the NCAA D1 tourney last year and is the favorite to win their conference this year.

Up next -- Cal State Fullerton.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on November 08, 2016, 12:09:09 PM
Quote from: WoostAr on November 08, 2016, 11:47:37 AM
...to Long Beach State a Division 1 team that arguably should have been in the NCAA D1 tourney last year and is the favorite to win their conference this year.

Up next -- Cal State Fullerton.
Correct.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on November 11, 2016, 01:48:50 PM
For the first time in my memory, Caltech has a pre-season All-American honorable mention: http://gocaltech.com/sports/mbkb/2016-17/releases/20161108kul0ez
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gosox on November 11, 2016, 02:03:18 PM
Ryan Elmquist...2011----based on Academics as well as play...
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on November 15, 2016, 12:01:52 PM
Not pre-season and a different organization doing the award, but still a heck of a player.

http://thesciac.org/sports/mbkb/2010-11/news/acad_all_america
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Howlinwolf on November 17, 2016, 12:39:56 AM
Oxy handily takes down The Beav in the "110 Freeway Rivalry." Undersized Austin Dewitz neutralized the pre-season HM All-American center for CT, and the Tiger defensive energy overall made offensive life challenging for the homers. SCIAC notables Miller and Johnson provided the bulk of scoring for Oxy, as expected.

Not a bad road start for a team relegated to the bottom of the heap in the SCIAC's coaches' poll.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jack Parkman on November 17, 2016, 08:46:53 PM
Coach Rider stepped down at Cal Lu.  Great guy that had been there a very long time.

http://www.clusports.com/news/12830/
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 30, 2016, 11:19:35 AM
FYI, this week's Around the West column focuses on Cal Lutheran and the coaching change

http://www.d3hoops.com/columns/around-the-region/west/2016-17/cal-lutheran-changes
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on December 08, 2016, 05:37:17 PM
How is everyone feeling about the SCIAC this year? There have been some good, bad and ugly results so far!

CMS looking good, as is CLU... I'm confused about Chapman given who they return, but I guess losing Hamlin is hurting them in the backcourt. Let's see what happens post holiday break!

Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on December 12, 2016, 03:58:56 PM
Caltech has not looked good this year...

High expectations coming into this season with a talented crop of freshman and a solid list of returners.  Caltech did lose Emezie to graduation...Laurence Lee is also no longer playing.  The biggest loss might be that of Assistant Coach David Briski who was coaching the defense last year.  Caltech's defense has not been the same this year, and their offense has been anemic.  Of course, there have been some injuries and illnesses which have cost Andrews, LeBaron, Kawashima and Cahill games -- it's still early, we will see if Caltech can turn this around.

In other news:

Is Cam Haslam hurt still?  Saw him play Pomona -- looked like his has a small hitch in his stride.  Airballed a couple shots (of course he made some others) -- doesn't look quite the same player as last year

Pomona's zone is stupid long...imagine they will stay in a lot of games because of their D.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gosox on December 21, 2016, 11:29:35 AM
Watched Laverne last night as they played  Carthage.  Carthage played solid, #20 dropped 38 points and was a very impressive player with a lot to his game...Laverne started slow and allowed a large lead...but climbed their way back to make it an exciting game...they do seem to have a "never say never" attitude...which can be attributed to their coach...just watching them...you can tell he gets the most from them...and they love getting him excited...a lot of team chemistry on this club..from the starters to the bench...

Carthage's center started well...but soon learned he may need to work on his left...as Laverne shut him down by denying anything right...he struggled...which led to Laverne getting going again....

With approximately about a minute left...Laverne had a chance to tie things up being down 73-76....but a couple untimely turnovers led to having to foul and put them at the line...finally losing 80-73...

Exciting to watch as fans as both teams battled...Laverne has gained some valuable lessons from these last couple losses which hopefully will turn into some wins for conference....

Best of luck to all....
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D O.C. on December 30, 2016, 02:43:20 PM
It appears LINFIELD will do pretty good in the SCIAC this year.  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on January 05, 2017, 12:44:53 PM
Quote from: D O.C. on December 30, 2016, 02:43:20 PM
It appears LINFIELD will do pretty good in the SCIAC this year.  :)

SCIAC basketball is the equivalent of Whittier football, which means they stink. I thought Redlands would right the ship when they got rid of Gary Smith, but boy was I wrong.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on January 06, 2017, 01:53:33 PM
Caltech has beaten Occidental and Whittier this past week and heads into a Saturday night unbeaten in SCIAC against (also unbeaten in SCIAC) CMS.  Caltech has been playing better of late, but from the looks of it CMS is in dominant form again -- we will see if Caltech can make a game of it.


Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gosox on January 07, 2017, 01:04:00 PM
Absolutely agree.  CMS is definitely firing on all cylinders and Caltech seems to have made the necessary adjustments to be competitive once again...they will need the stars aligned to make this work....but hey....they are scientists!    :P
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: middhoops on January 09, 2017, 09:08:21 PM
Not sure how widely known this is yet, but Occidental picked up a transfer from Middlebury (VT) College, Zach Baines. 
Baines is a 6-5 player with superb athletic skills, great shooter, blinding fast and a good kid.
We hate to see him go, but wish him the best in the SCIAC.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on January 09, 2017, 11:47:26 PM
Quote from: middhoops on January 09, 2017, 09:08:21 PM
Not sure how widely known this is yet, but Occidental picked up a transfer from Middlebury (VT) College, Zach Baines. 
Baines is a 6-5 player with superb athletic skills, great shooter, blinding fast and a good kid.
We hate to see him go, but wish him the best in the SCIAC.
Thanks for the info.  My friend's son is a baseball player at Middlebury.

I checked stats.  He did well as a freshman last year but hasn't played at all at Oxy.  Perhaps he is injured.

Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: middhoops on January 10, 2017, 12:14:23 AM
Not exactly.
Baines was playing for Middlebury in December. 
You can transfer instantly in D3 under the right circumstances.
Our loss is your immediate gain.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on January 10, 2017, 12:05:17 PM
You are right.  I checked.  He's been a starter and key player.

A good pickup for Oxy.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on January 10, 2017, 03:40:51 PM
From nescac1

  "The only connection I could find between Baines and Occidental hoops is that a current senior at his former high school has committed to play for Occidental next season. "
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gosox on January 11, 2017, 12:28:03 PM
Laverne played solid last night even though the regular bigs were both out...either injury or flu...as the team has been bit by the bug as of late....yet they played as if they were missing no one...energy and aggressiveness...fun team to watch...
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 13, 2017, 12:30:55 AM
Quote from: middhoops on January 10, 2017, 12:14:23 AM
Not exactly.
Baines was playing for Middlebury in December. 
You can transfer instantly in D3 under the right circumstances.
Our loss is your immediate gain.

Right circumstances being.. there are no restrictions (unless within some conferences like the CCIW).
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 13, 2017, 04:29:40 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 13, 2017, 12:30:55 AM
Quote from: middhoops on January 10, 2017, 12:14:23 AM
Not exactly.
Baines was playing for Middlebury in December. 
You can transfer instantly in D3 under the right circumstances.
Our loss is your immediate gain.

Right circumstances being.. there are no restrictions (unless within some conferences like the CCIW).

Well, also, that the student-athlete was academically eligible at the institution they are transferring from.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on January 16, 2017, 04:28:01 PM
From my friend whose son is a pitcher at Middlebury:

Zach Baines and the NESCAC have a breakup

The Panthers have hit another bump in their road to a second consecutive league title. Zach Baines is no longer 'out indefinitely' as Pete put it. He is definitely out. Baines transferred to Occidental College in the SCIAC conference in sunny Southern California after eight games this season, all of which he started. The high flying sophomore forward averaged 13.8 PPG and 6.8 REB/G in the early season and he will be sorely missed down the stretch run, giving Nick Tarantino '18 a lot of weight to carry after taking over in the starting lineup. Vermont is cold and dark, and it won't be shorts weather until April. I have no idea why he would leave such a place. Good luck to Baines and the Tigers, they got a good one.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 17, 2017, 10:14:08 AM
Quote from: Gray Fox on January 16, 2017, 04:28:01 PM
From my friend whose son is a pitcher at Middlebury:

Zach Baines and the NESCAC have a breakup

The Panthers have hit another bump in their road to a second consecutive league title. Zach Baines is no longer 'out indefinitely' as Pete put it. He is definitely out. Baines transferred to Occidental College in the SCIAC conference in sunny Southern California after eight games this season, all of which he started. The high flying sophomore forward averaged 13.8 PPG and 6.8 REB/G in the early season and he will be sorely missed down the stretch run, giving Nick Tarantino '18 a lot of weight to carry after taking over in the starting lineup. Vermont is cold and dark, and it won't be shorts weather until April. I have no idea why he would leave such a place. Good luck to Baines and the Tigers, they got a good one.

It's only shorts weather in April if you're from New England.  If you're from SoCal, you have to wait until July - and you'll be home by then anyway.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: middhoops on January 18, 2017, 07:25:30 PM
Update from former Baines-ville.
Middlebury misses Zach, for sure.  He was a big fan favorite here.
Other players are getting opportunities that wouldn't have happened had Zach stayed.  The team is good.
Next year his absence will be felt far more severely.  He won't be replaced.

Thus far, no one has repeated one negative word about Zach Baines.  We were lucky to have him.
Occidental may be even more lucky.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on January 18, 2017, 09:36:01 PM
Quote from: middhoops on January 18, 2017, 07:25:30 PM
Update from former Baines-ville.
Middlebury misses Zach, for sure.  He was a big fan favorite here.
Other players are getting opportunities that wouldn't have happened had Zach stayed.  The team is good.
Next year his absence will be felt far more severely.  He won't be replaced.

Thus far, no one has repeated one negative word about Zach Baines.  We were lucky to have him.
Occidental may be even more lucky.
I'll pass this along to my Middlebury friend.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on January 20, 2017, 03:59:45 AM
We've had 5-6 games in the SCIAC and have what looks to be a conference race set up.

CMS, ULV, PP and CLU have seemingly separated themselves as the top 4 in the conference with records better than 4-2 while Chapman, Oxy, Redlands, Whittier and Cal Tech are saddled with 2 or fewer wins each thus far.

Top 4
CMS - the Stags are playing well and opening their new Robert's Pavilion with a strong season. Early on they were winning while shooting a ridiculously high 3pt % and overall FG%, but have since cooled off but are getting it done on the defensive end. The dynamic backcourt of Lynds and Scarlett provides leadership and scoring, while Hall is the captain and glue of the team that does things beyond the stat sheet. The 3-headed 5 man monster of Morris / Meyers / Horn has been remarkable.

ULV - I go back and forth between CLU and ULV as the most explosive team in the conference. ULV has been on a tear lately and have 3 players in Arnold, White and Stokes who are legit scorers. Reed is playing up tempo with his athletic and deep team and trying to run and gun. The key to their success is playing at a fast pace, being unselfish and putting pressure on defense. It will be interesting to see how they play against CMS

PP - Kats has 4 legit starters and a well balanced team, particularly top 8. For all their struggles earlier in the year, the team has come together and as always is in the discussion at the top of the conference. The Sagehens go as their guards go. Koch, Rosenbaum, Elan and Gale all can pump 3s and have the green light. They will continue to get better as the season goes along and contend for a championship

CLU - I'm not sure if Francis is done for the year or not, but against PP landed awkwardly and has not played since. Since that, the team has been on a tear upto tonights loss @ ULV. Ritchie is their car keys and is the engine that gets them going. Cole, Ferreira are knock down shooters and Wood is an inside - out 4 man that will cause most teams a matchup nightmare. They will score a lot, not play a ton of defense and will leverage their skill and athleticism

Oxy has all the talent in the world and arguably 3 of the top 10 players in the conference. Johnson, Miller and newcomer Baines are big time players and are all capable of going for 25+ in a game. They have yet to click and have been struggling in conference. I expect them to continue to get better as the season progresses.
 
Chapman has struggled this year without their POY Cam Haslam who is supposedly out for the year with an injury. Losing Luke Hamlin to graduation also hurt as their starting dynamic guard combo is not there. They are still a tough team to play, but may have some tough nights scoring.

Whittier is a step down talent wise relative to some of their teams the past few years, but still can be explosive. The issue as usual with them will be around defending and discipline. They are often the most talented and athletic team in their matchups, but are often beat because of better execution.

Redlands - this is a tough team, that similar to Chapman is having a hard time scoring. they will beat some teams at home but I'm not expecting much from them this year

Caltech - after a strong start to SCIAC they are struggling to put points on the board. Nasser is a load on the block and they have some guys that can play. They will play some teams really close and I think will win 4-5 games.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D O.C. on January 26, 2017, 01:22:48 PM
Thank-you.
I was wondering what games to maybe go see.
None. Wait for the tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on January 27, 2017, 12:01:38 AM
Quote from: D O.C. on January 26, 2017, 01:22:48 PM
Thank-you.
I was wondering what games to maybe go see.
None. Wait for the tournament.

Without question I would go to both CMS - PP games this year. The game this Saturday will be electric with them being the top 2 teams in conference. The game Feb 7th will be the first game of the rivalry in the new Roberts Pavilion at CMS.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D O.C. on January 27, 2017, 09:28:50 AM
Thank-you for the heads up.
Claremont has been way too cold as of late so I scheduled a Reno trip this weekend.  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on January 27, 2017, 02:21:10 PM
Caltech beat Chapman last night for the first time since 1954!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on February 16, 2017, 01:04:46 PM
3 regionally ranked SCIAC teams for the first time in....ever???....

Perhaps a shot at more than one SCIAC team in the national tourney!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 16, 2017, 01:18:04 PM
Quote from: WoostAr on February 16, 2017, 01:04:46 PM
3 regionally ranked SCIAC teams for the first time in....ever???....

Perhaps a shot at more than one SCIAC team in the national tourney!

Sadly, no. There is a very, very, very outside chance CMS could get an at-large bid meaning a second team... however, with their SOS currently below .500 the chances are pretty darn slim. I think the bubble line in the West Region is between 3rd and 4th right now leaving the SCIAC as a win-or-go-home league. Sure, it could happen, but I think the chances are so small it isn't worth hoping for it.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gosox on February 17, 2017, 10:52:19 AM
Will be an interesting rematch Saturday in Cal Lu as they take on Laverne...both teams play a high tempo offense and it appears they both are playing some D now as well...With Cal Lu taking down CMS, who have been dropping a couple games lately, it makes the final two games interesting...teams are now pressuring the "bearded wonder" (great player!) and he is having to actually shoot contested shots which is a little tougher than the wide open looks he has been getting....

Good luck to all 4 re-positioning themselves in the final 2 games..........
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on February 17, 2017, 05:36:43 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 16, 2017, 01:18:04 PM
Quote from: WoostAr on February 16, 2017, 01:04:46 PM
3 regionally ranked SCIAC teams for the first time in....ever???....

Perhaps a shot at more than one SCIAC team in the national tourney!

Sadly, no. There is a very, very, very outside chance CMS could get an at-large bid meaning a second team... however, with their SOS currently below .500 the chances are pretty darn slim. I think the bubble line in the West Region is between 3rd and 4th right now leaving the SCIAC as a win-or-go-home league. Sure, it could happen, but I think the chances are so small it isn't worth hoping for it.

Annnnd CMS promptly loses to top it all off.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 17, 2017, 05:46:19 PM
Quote from: WoostAr on February 17, 2017, 05:36:43 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 16, 2017, 01:18:04 PM
Quote from: WoostAr on February 16, 2017, 01:04:46 PM
3 regionally ranked SCIAC teams for the first time in....ever???....

Perhaps a shot at more than one SCIAC team in the national tourney!

Sadly, no. There is a very, very, very outside chance CMS could get an at-large bid meaning a second team... however, with their SOS currently below .500 the chances are pretty darn slim. I think the bubble line in the West Region is between 3rd and 4th right now leaving the SCIAC as a win-or-go-home league. Sure, it could happen, but I think the chances are so small it isn't worth hoping for it.

Annnnd CMS promptly loses to top it all off.

Yep... I think that pretty much sunk any chance the SCIAC had at a "second" bid.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on February 21, 2017, 01:09:45 AM
Top 4 in the SCIAC are locked now. CMS, CLU, ULV and PP.

CMS is locked as the 1 seed after their OT win tonight @ Oxy
CLU controls their own fate at the 2 seed with a win vs CIT tomorrow. they can't go lower than 3
ULV is in the driver seat for the 3 seed and faces Whittier tomorrow. They could move into the 2 if CLU loses and they win. They could also move to 4 if they lose and PP wins.
PP is likely the 4 seed unless ULV loses then they could move into the 3.

Semifinals are Friday night hosted by the higher seed.

With the late season CMS losses, the SCIAC is effectively a one bid league, so all is on the line this weekend!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on February 22, 2017, 02:05:50 PM
SCIAC Tourney is set

#1 CMS vs #4 Pomona-Pitzer
#2 CLU vs #3 ULV

Games at higher seed Friday night!

Should be fun!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on February 25, 2017, 03:30:41 AM
Higher seeds advanced tonight!

CMS beat Pomona 70-64 in a thriller. CMS was down 18 with 6 minutes to go in the 1st half and battled back to win at home.
CLU beat ULV 92-79. CLU took control of the game at the beginning of the 2nd half and didn't look back. 5 scored in double figures.

CMS hosts CLU on Saturday for the auto-bid! Last time these 2 met, CLU beat CMS on a 3 at the buzzer. should be a great game!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on February 26, 2017, 12:53:05 AM
CMS Wins 77-71 and secures the auto-bid - likely onto Spokane to play Whitworth.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CMSfan on February 26, 2017, 02:19:51 AM
Quote from: stag44 on February 26, 2017, 12:53:05 AM
CMS Wins 77-71 and secures the auto-bid - likely onto Spokane to play Whitworth.

To Walla Walla I'd think. Whitman will likely host.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 26, 2017, 11:40:02 AM

The question we'll be whether Whitman's women's win over Puget Sound earns them the right to host.  If so, the Whitman men can't host.  With two teams in WA and two in TX, plus CMS, flights will be interesting.  I could see Whitman hosting the SCAC champ, CMS and Whitworth OR, if Whitman can't host, Hardin-Simmons hosting Whitworth, CMS, and the SCAC champ.

I'm almost positive CMS will be headed to either Texas or Washington.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: (509)Rat on February 26, 2017, 12:17:59 PM
What's the rule on women or men hosting again? Is it an odd or even year type thing? I can't remember...
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on February 26, 2017, 12:39:02 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 26, 2017, 11:40:02 AM

The question we'll be whether Whitman's women's win over Puget Sound earns them the right to host.  If so, the Whitman men can't host.  With two teams in WA and two in TX, plus CMS, flights will be interesting.  I could see Whitman hosting the SCAC champ, CMS and Whitworth OR, if Whitman can't host, Hardin-Simmons hosting Whitworth, CMS, and the SCAC champ.

I'm almost positive CMS will be headed to either Texas or Washington.
Texas - I will have to check that out.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Smitty Oom on February 26, 2017, 01:06:48 PM
Quote from: (509)Rat on February 26, 2017, 12:17:59 PM
What's the rule on women or men hosting again? Is it an odd or even year type thing? I can't remember...

Yes. Odd years women have priority, so 2017 means women priority year.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: (509)Rat on February 26, 2017, 01:57:42 PM
So then the question is...would Whitman submarine their womens team's chance to host by not have putting in a bid to do so? I mean, they knew that the men would be in a good position to host a 1st round pod. So unless you bid as a university/facility and then let the NCAA tourney chips fall where they may...I'm sure they would have no problem sending their women's team to Tacoma...
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 27, 2017, 08:03:19 AM
Quote from: (509)Rat on February 26, 2017, 01:57:42 PM
So then the question is...would Whitman submarine their womens team's chance to host by not have putting in a bid to do so? I mean, they knew that the men would be in a good position to host a 1st round pod. So unless you bid as a university/facility and then let the NCAA tourney chips fall where they may...I'm sure they would have no problem sending their women's team to Tacoma...

I didn't hear anyone who thought Whitman has a chance to host over UPS; I don't think it's an issue.  It is possible, I think, to put in for hosting both men and women, you just have to do so with two different facilities.  I'm not sure that's ever been done, but it's theoretically possible.  UWSP has two venues on campus, although I'm not sure if they've ever tried to do this.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 28, 2017, 12:10:44 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 27, 2017, 08:03:19 AM
Quote from: (509)Rat on February 26, 2017, 01:57:42 PM
So then the question is...would Whitman submarine their womens team's chance to host by not have putting in a bid to do so? I mean, they knew that the men would be in a good position to host a 1st round pod. So unless you bid as a university/facility and then let the NCAA tourney chips fall where they may...I'm sure they would have no problem sending their women's team to Tacoma...

I didn't hear anyone who thought Whitman has a chance to host over UPS; I don't think it's an issue.  It is possible, I think, to put in for hosting both men and women, you just have to do so with two different facilities.  I'm not sure that's ever been done, but it's theoretically possible.  UWSP has two venues on campus, although I'm not sure if they've ever tried to do this.

No... I don't believe you can put in for two different facilities, either. That doesn't solve staffing issues and more importantly it doesn't mean one won't get overshadowed.

The easiest example of this is at UWSP as you gave... the two programs play in two different arenas and they have never been allowed to dual-host. In 2012(?), Puget Sound men hosted as UWSP men were put on the road because UWSP women were at home. Of course, UWSP put in to host, but the NCAA won't allow it.

So no... not even in theory is this allowed.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gosox on February 28, 2017, 03:30:28 PM
Well congrats for CMS who won the SCIAC...positive they get one more game...SCIAC just cannot compete against anyone outside their league....
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 03, 2017, 10:20:10 PM
The SCIAC wins a tourney game! And against perennial tormenter Whitworth, no less!

Where is Oxy'03SalemPavers when you need him?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on March 03, 2017, 11:04:24 PM
Congrats to the Stags! Going up to Walla Walla and beating Whitworth!!

On to the 2nd round and a likely matchup with #1 Whitman on their court
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cmsme on March 03, 2017, 11:50:34 PM
Yes. Best wishes CMS. I am watching from afar with my fingers crossed and my eyes clinched. It was such a satisfying feeling when you beat Whitworth.
Mother of former #42--when we lost to Whitworth
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CMSfan on March 04, 2017, 02:09:45 AM
Got to be there in person tonight. Stags played a great game! They'll have their work cut out for them against Whitman tomorrow for sure.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on March 04, 2017, 12:49:28 PM
The CMS women won in Dallas at the same time.
They will be playing Trinity tonight.  I was there.  Very entertaining.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jack Parkman on May 11, 2017, 07:01:56 PM
Cal Lu hires a new head coach and it's not Dains, a guy that has been there for 21 years and just took them within a few minutes of the tournament.  That has to be a very tough pill to swallow.


http://clusports.com/news/13300/
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on May 15, 2017, 01:04:56 PM
Quote from: Jack Parkman on May 11, 2017, 07:01:56 PM
Cal Lu hires a new head coach and it's not Dains, a guy that has been there for 21 years and just took them within a few minutes of the tournament.  That has to be a very tough pill to swallow.


http://clusports.com/news/13300/

I have seen a few comments about this over the last few weeks in different mediums... now I ask the following having been the person who broke the news of who was being hired at Cal Lu, but does anyone know if Dains was actually interested in the job or applied? I am asking seriously as I don't know who were the finalists for the job other than the person who got the job.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gosox on June 06, 2017, 04:38:38 PM
Yes he was!

The Cal Lu Administration struck out on this one...they will look like fools after a Coach like Dains  was in thier grasp for 21 years, took the team to Conference finals and now you do not even give him a realistic shot at the job he just proved he can not only handle but handle successfully!

Sounds like someone on the inside has or owed a favor to a buddy to get them a job.....

It is ashame...hate to see it when Coach Dains gets another head coaching job and has success.....AGAIN

Good luck to Coach Dains!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on September 27, 2017, 09:42:22 PM
Quote from: Gosox on June 06, 2017, 04:38:38 PM
Good luck to Coach Dains!!!

Geoff should have gotten the HC job at CLU. I hope Geoff and Bob Massell land new gigs.

I saw Gosox at Dodger Stadium this past Saturday. He picked me out of the crowd with his keen police sense. It was great to see him but I could have done without being frisked, handcuffed and perp walked to my seat.

OxyBob
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gosox on October 11, 2017, 02:08:15 PM
 ;D  Glad to see Oxy back on here! It's about time! Let the good times roll again!  I was looking to see if you had any of my Topps Baseball Cards on ya!   So counts as a "search!"....Great seeing your son too!...GO DODGERS!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on October 19, 2017, 05:42:05 PM
Quote from: Gosox on October 11, 2017, 02:08:15 PM
Glad to see Oxy back on here! It's about time! Let the good times roll again! 

Looking forward to a new season. Hopefully Oxy's basketball team won't meet the same fate as the football team.

OxyBob
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on October 19, 2017, 11:48:04 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on October 19, 2017, 05:42:05 PM
Quote from: Gosox on October 11, 2017, 02:08:15 PM
Glad to see Oxy back on here! It's about time! Let the good times roll again! 

Looking forward to a new season. Hopefully Oxy's basketball team won't meet the same fate as the football team.

OxyBob
The fall in W/L ratio since the AD came on board.
Always easy to find some jocks to fill in for hoops.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: madzillagd on October 23, 2017, 10:58:22 AM
Beaver assistant news

https://hoopdirt.com/caltech-basketball-staff-update/
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: madzillagd on October 23, 2017, 11:11:48 AM
Haven't been on this board for awhile but in response to the CLU job, I'm not surprised at all that Dains didn't get the gig. When a major supporter of the university wanted Rider to be gone for awhile, he's not going to miss a chance to push for change when Rider finally went away. This really wasn't about Dains, it was a dislike for Rider and basically guilt by association.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 13, 2017, 08:52:28 AM
So, don't get over here too often,  but what happened to Cam Hallam? I don't see him on Chapman's roster this year and he would've only been a junior after winning POTY as a freshman, if I'm correct.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 13, 2017, 11:13:51 AM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on November 13, 2017, 08:52:28 AM
So, don't get over here too often,  but what happened to Cam Hallam? I don't see him on Chapman's roster this year and he would've only been a junior after winning POTY as a freshman, if I'm correct.

I went looking for him as well for several reasons... didn't see him on the roster and didn't have time to chase. I am curious as well.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on November 16, 2017, 01:37:25 PM
Oxy began its season with a couple of exhibition games, losing to Westmont 69-62, and beating Bethesda 75-72. Last night the Tigers got their first official win of the season, beating Caltech 80-60. Oxy led 37-31 at halftime and blew the game open with a 16-0 run in the second half. For Oxy, Zach Baines had 19 points and 10 rebounds, and Austin DeWitz scored 18.

Next up for Oxy is West Coast Baptist this Friday at 7:00 p.m.

OxyBob
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on November 20, 2017, 01:39:14 PM
Not a good first week for SCIAC basketball

CMS dropped two in Wisconsin to White Water and Platteville
Whitworth beat La Verne
Linfield dropped Whittier and Pomona Pitzer w/ upcoming games against La Verne and Caltech
Pacific and Puget Sound dropped Redlands

.....the SCIAC has yet to win a non-conference NCAA game outside of UC Santa Cruz...here's hoping week 2 goes better.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on November 20, 2017, 03:44:09 PM
Also -- Michael Scarlett is on the roster, was a pre-season all American (3rd team), but didnt play in Wisconsin -- is he hurt or something?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Smitty Oom on November 20, 2017, 06:26:07 PM
Quote from: WoostAr on November 20, 2017, 03:44:09 PM
Also -- Michael Scarlett is on the roster, was a pre-season all American (3rd team), but didnt play in Wisconsin -- is he hurt or something?

Was mentioned at a couple places on the board here and on the Hoopsville Pod but no ones seems to know. As Ryan Scott said earlier, news from some of the west coast teams come via pony express, so no news as of yet. (I think he said
via wagon, but I put my own twist on it  8-))
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 20, 2017, 06:36:37 PM
Quote from: Smitty Oom on November 20, 2017, 06:26:07 PM
Quote from: WoostAr on November 20, 2017, 03:44:09 PM
Also -- Michael Scarlett is on the roster, was a pre-season all American (3rd team), but didnt play in Wisconsin -- is he hurt or something?

Was mentioned at a couple places on the board here and on the Hoopsville Pod but no ones seems to know. As Ryan Scott said earlier, news from some of the west coast teams come via pony express, so no news as of yet. (I think he said
via wagon, but I put my own twist on it  8-))

Did those low-life varmints cut the telegraph wires AGAIN?!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on November 27, 2017, 12:55:32 PM
And the SCIAC finally gets a couple non-conference NCAA wins.........against a school that up until last year was an all women's college.

.........buckle up -- this could be a long season...
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on November 29, 2017, 04:27:27 PM
Quote from: WoostAr on November 27, 2017, 12:55:32 PM
And the SCIAC finally gets a couple non-conference NCAA wins.........against a school that up until last year was an all women's college.

Last night Oxy beat something called Westcliff University, 88-67. Westcliff is apparently located in Irvine in the 10-story University Tower, which, according to the property manager, "offers unparalleled retail & restaurant amenities and support services just steps away including: In-N-Out Burger, Steelhead Brewery, Mendicino Farms, 24 Hour Fitness, Kinko's and Trader Joe's." Westcliff has a win over the University of Los Angeles College of Divinity.

OxyBob
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on November 30, 2017, 06:36:44 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLkA3AlmBc8
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLkA3AlmBc8)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on December 01, 2017, 02:24:59 AM
Quote from: WoostAr on November 30, 2017, 06:36:44 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLkA3AlmBc8
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLkA3AlmBc8)
OxyBob is now WoosAr's straight man.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on December 07, 2017, 04:31:17 PM
Oxy got off to a good start in conference play with a 67-63 OT win over Cal Lutheran. Oxy rallied from 46-31 to tie the game at 59, and held CL (formerly known as CLU) to 4 FTs in OT.

For Oxy, Zack Baines had 24 pts and 11 rebs, Austin DeWitz had 10 pts and 10 rebs, Jonny Crossthwaite had 11 pts and 11 rebs, and Jeevin Sandhu scored 11.

For CL, Kyle Ferreira scored 20, Austin Cole scored 16, and Blake Miles scored 10.

Oxy is 6-0 (1-0) and plays next at West Coast Baptist on 12/8. Big test for Oxy coming up on 12/17 against D-III No. 1 ranked Whitman.

Cal Lutheran is 2-3 (0-1) and is home to NAIA Vanguard on 12/9.

OxyBob
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on December 12, 2017, 12:31:31 PM
CMS goes down to Santa Cruz -- of course, the story has to be that CMS not only didn't start any of their normal starters (Lynds, President, Ely, Scarlett, Morris) -- they didn't play them at all......and they didn't play them at all after a night where they won a game with pretty good looking stats. 

Claremont's story has to be the surprise of the season so far: after starting the year ranked #15, with an injured all-american who came back and then got benched??, and are now 2-6 overall.

One other SCIAC thought -- I don't understand the conference schedule -- some teams have played 2 conference games already, but Caltech has played zero?....how did that happen?

Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on December 18, 2017, 05:30:25 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on December 07, 2017, 04:31:17 PM
Oxy is 6-0 (1-0) and plays next at West Coast Baptist on 12/8. Big test for Oxy coming up on 12/17 against D-III No. 1 ranked Whitman.

Oxy lost to WCB, 82-77, after beating them by 42 on 11/17.

Whitman beat Oxy 73-69. The Tigers led 59-51 with 8:21 to go in the game, but the Blues ran off 13 straight points to lead 64-59 and end Oxy's upset bid.

For Oxy, Zach Baines scored 25, Austin DeWitz had 16 pts and 15 rebs, and Caleb Yellin-Flaherty scored 10. For Whitman, Tim Howell scored 18, Jack Stewart had 12, and Trevor Osbourne had 10.

Oxy is 6-2. Whitman is 7-0.

Next up for Oxy are home games against UC Santa Cruz on 12/28 and UC Merced on 12/30.

OxyBob
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: middhoops on December 18, 2017, 07:56:48 AM
Tuned in to watch Zach Baines and Oxy against the #1 team in D3 yesterday.  Occidental did a beautiful job of handling the full court pressure defense for all but two minutes of the game.  That is when they lost their lead.
Still, it was very close to being the biggest upset of the young season.
Baines looks so much more mature now.  He always had great skills and remarkable patience.  Now he looks like a complete player who can take a team on his back.
Zach would be a top level talent in any D3 conference.  He is missed by Middlebury and the NESCAC and we still follow him.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 04, 2018, 05:38:17 PM
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Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jack Parkman on January 07, 2018, 01:24:40 AM
I wonder if Cal Lu regrets their coaching decision.  They flat out stink after getting destroyed by 36 by a team that was 4-9 coming into the game.  I wonder what Dains would have done with this team?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 08, 2018, 04:57:41 PM
Oxy is off to a 2-0 start in the conference, 9-2 overall. In SCIAC play the Tigers beat CLU on December 6, and beat Whittier 84-72 on the road this past Monday. 5 players in double figures: Zach Baines scored 26, Jonny Crosthwaite had 17, Jeevin Sandhu scored 16 off the bench, Austin DeWitz had 13, and Caleb Yellin-Flaherty scored 11. Always satisfying to get a win at Whittier.

Tonight Oxy is at La Verne. The Leopards are (ouch) 0-11, 0-3 SCIAC. For comparison's sake, ULV lost at home to Whittier by 26.

Quote from: Jack Parkman on January 07, 2018, 01:24:40 AM
I wonder if Cal Lu regrets their coaching decision.  They flat out stink after getting destroyed by 36 by a team that was 4-9 coming into the game.  I wonder what Dains would have done with this team?

A real shame Geoff did not get the job.

OxyBob
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 10, 2018, 01:38:24 PM
It usually takes more than half a season to figure out if a coach was the right or wrong decision. Let's see where things go further than two months into the season. This isn't professional sports. It isn't even high-end DI.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 11, 2018, 04:26:06 PM
Last night Oxy beat Caltech 62-54. The game was tied 15-15 at 10:39 of the first half. Oxy took the lead and never trailed after that, though CIT made it close at the end. For Oxy, Austin DeWitz scored 22 and Zach Baines had 15.

On Monday night the Tigers beat winless La Verne 79-57. Double-double for DeWitz. Baines, Crosthwaite and Sandhu in double figures.

Oxy is 11-2, 4-0 SCIAC. The Tigers play Pomona at home this Saturday at 2:00 p.m.

Here are the current SCIAC standings:

Oxy                4-0
Chapman       5-1
CMS               3-1
PP                  3-2
UR                  3-3
WC                3-3
CLU               1-4
CIT                1-4
ULV                0-5

OxyBob

Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 14, 2018, 02:06:28 PM
Oxy 64 Pomona 60

Took in the Saturday afternoon game between Oxy and Pomona. Pretty well attended considering class doesn't start until next week.

Low-scoring first half. The Sagehens got off to a quick 15-6 lead, as Oxy appeared to be unable to defend against Pomona's slip screens, and the Tigers also had some trouble containing Pomona's string bean 6'9" forward Alex Preston. The Tigers made a run of their own and the half ended 26-24. In the second half the game was tied at 31, 44, and 60. Jonny Crostwaithe's layup gave Oxy the lead 62-60 with 13 seconds left, and after a FT miss by Micah Elan, Zach Baines sealed it for Oxy with 2 FTs.

Oxy shot 47% from the floor, but the Tigers did not help themselves by only making 10 of 19 FTs. Pomona was only 5-for-20 on 3-pointers, and shot 38% for the game. Oxy outrebounded Pomona 43-29.

For Oxy, Baines had 15, Crosthwaite scored 10 and Austin DeWitz had 14. For Pomona, Elan scored 18, Preston 13 and Corbin Koch had 10.

Next for Oxy are three road games at Redlands, Chapman and CLU.

In other games on Saturday:

Claremont 70 Chapman 63
Cal Lutheran 93 Redlands 84
Caltech 96 La Verne 86

Whittier was idle. The curse of a 9-team league.

Records:

Oxy 12-2, 5-0
CMS 6-7, 4-1
CU 12-4, 5-2
PP 5-10, 3-3
WC 5-10, 3-3
UR 5-10, 3-4
CLU 4-9, 2-4
CIT 4-11, 2-4
ULV 0-14, 0-6

OxyBob
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on January 15, 2018, 12:13:10 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 14, 2018, 02:06:28 PM
Oxy 64 Pomona 60

Took in the Saturday afternoon game between Oxy and Pomona. Pretty well attended considering class doesn't start until next week.

Low-scoring first half. The Sagehens got off to a quick 15-6 lead, as Oxy appeared to be unable to defend against Pomona's slip screens, and the Tigers also had some trouble containing Pomona's string bean 6'9" forward Alex Preston. The Tigers made a run of their own and the half ended 26-24. In the second half the game was tied at 31, 44, and 60. Jonny Crostwaithe's layup gave Oxy the lead 62-60 with 13 seconds left, and after a FT miss by Micah Elan, Zach Baines sealed it for Oxy with 2 FTs.

Oxy shot 47% from the floor, but the Tigers did not help themselves by only making 10 of 19 FTs. Pomona was only 5-for-20 on 3-pointers, and shot 38% for the game. Oxy outrebounded Pomona 43-29.

For Oxy, Baines had 15, Crosthwaite scored 10 and Austin DeWitz had 14. For Pomona, Elan scored 18, Preston 13 and Corbin Koch had 10.

Next for Oxy are three road games at Redlands, Chapman and CLU.

In other games on Saturday:

Claremont 70 Chapman 63
Cal Lutheran 93 Redlands 84
Caltech 96 La Verne 86

Whittier was idle. The curse of a 9-team league.

Records:

Oxy 12-2, 5-0
CMS 6-7, 4-1
CU 12-4, 5-2
PP 5-10, 3-3
WC 5-10, 3-3
UR 5-10, 3-4
CLU 4-9, 2-4
CIT 4-11, 2-4
ULV 0-14, 0-6

OxyBob

I see Redlands is still really bad at basketball. I never would have thought the losing stink of Gary Smith would carry over to Jim Ducey. SMH
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 18, 2018, 01:39:33 PM
Quote from: RFB on January 15, 2018, 12:13:10 PM
I see Redlands is still really bad at basketball.

Wednesday's scores:

UC Santa Cruz 84 Redlands 56

SCIAC scores:

Oxy 70 Chapman 60
Pomona 75 La Verne 55
Claremont 86 Whittier 76
Cal Lutheran 108 Caltech 103 OT

Oxy is 13-2 and 6-0 SCIAC. The Tigers play next at Redlands on Saturday at 2:00 p.m.

OxyBob
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gosox on January 20, 2018, 06:45:16 PM
Well after observing the Cal Lu coach vs Caltech and watching various games online... it is very apparent.... this coach is no Geoff Dains.  He had to be a "friend" hire if ever there was... had he even been a college head coach prior.... ashame nepotism played a part of getting rid of a qualitycoach such as Geoff.... but.... the proof is in the losses.... you cannot hide from those....
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 21, 2018, 04:28:43 PM
Saturday's SCIAC scores:

Cal Lutheran 84 La Verne 64
Pomona 82 Whittier 71
Claremont 66 Caltech 56
Oxy 67 Redlands 62

Oxy won its 8th straight game. The Tigers are 14-2, 7-0 SCIAC. They even appeared in the "Others Receiving Votes" in the D3hoops.com Men's Top 25 poll.

Here's the schedule for Wednesday, Jan. 24, all games 7:00 p.m.

Pomona 7-10, 5-3 @ Chapman 12-5, 5-3
Whittier 5-12, 3-5 @ Caltech 4-13, 2-6
Oxy 14-2, 7-0 @ Cal Lutheran 6-9, 4-4
Redlands 5-12, 3-5 @ Claremont 8-7, 6-1
UC Santa Cruz 13-6 @ La Verne 0-16, 0-8

OxyBob
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 21, 2018, 07:02:02 PM

I just finished my ballot for this week.  I've got Occidental in about 34th position, but lots of room to move up if other teams falter.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jack Parkman on January 25, 2018, 09:02:10 AM
Pretty good game between Cal Lu and Oxy last night.  Oxy gets the 2 point win after a Cal Lu shot clanks off the rim at the buzzer.  Oxy built an 11 point lead at one point and Cal Lu led by 3 at another but the end was pretty entertaining. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on January 25, 2018, 02:12:26 PM
Hey, speaking of Occidental...

http://d3hoops.com/columns/around-the-region/west/index
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 26, 2018, 09:20:35 AM
gordonmann, thanks for the link to the article about Zach Baines.

QuoteThe Tigers took another step in that direction by beating Cal Lutheran 64-62 on Wednesday night.

Baines had 23 points and 16 rebounds in the win.

QuoteSix-foot-7 forward Austin DeWitz joins fellow junior Baines in double-figures scoring with 15.3 points and leads the club with 9.9 rebounds a game.

DeWitz scored 26 and had 9 rebounds against CLU. He scored Oxy's last 11 points, including the winning jumper with 3.6 seconds left.

Quote from: Jack Parkman on January 25, 2018, 09:02:10 AM
Pretty good game between Cal Lu and Oxy last night.   

Sorry I missed you at the game.

Here's the schedule for Saturday:

La Verne (0-17, 0-8 SCIAC) @ Oxy (15-2, 8-0) 2:00 p.m.
Claremont (9-7, 7-1) @ Cal Lutheran (6-10, 4-5) 2:00 p.m.
Redlands (5-13, 3-6) @ Whittier (6-12, 4-5) 5:00 p.m.
Chapman (12-6, 5-4) @ Caltech (4-14, 2-7) 5:00 p.m.

Pomona is idle.

OxyBob
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 28, 2018, 12:27:52 PM
Oxy 54 La Verne 50

Oxy hung on for dear life and beat winless La Verne. Austin DeWitz scored 26, and Zach Baines had his second straight double-double with 17 points and 12 rebounds. Oxy only shot 29% on 21-for-72 and only 1-for-11 on 3-balls. The Tigers will have to play a lot better than that when they meet up with Claremont next Saturday.

Claremont 76 Cal Lutheran 57 -- Stags run away from Kingsmen in 2nd half.
Whittier 93 Redlands 92 -- 3-pointer at the buzzer wins it for Poets.
Chapman 82 Caltech 63 -- CIT led early but Panthers easily win.

Wednesday's schedule, all games 7:00 p.m.

Cal Lutheran (6-11, 4-6 SCIAC) @ Whittier (7-12, 5-5)
Caltech (4-15, 2-8) @ Pomona (8-10, 6-3)
Chapman (13-6, 6-4) @ Redlands (5-14, 3-7)
Claremont (10-7, 8-1) @ La Verne (0-18, 0-9)

Oxy (16-2, 9-0) is idle.

OxyBob

Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on January 29, 2018, 02:25:11 PM
nice to see OxyBob has revived now that his Tigers are playing well..

potential look-ahead game for the Stags @ ULV... They need to stay focused and take care of business in the Tent against a pesky La Verne team that was very close to beating Oxy on Saturday.

Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 29, 2018, 05:00:22 PM
Quote from: stag44 on January 29, 2018, 02:25:11 PM
nice to see OxyBob has revived now that his Tigers are playing well..

I returned only because I missed you.

Quote from: stag44 on January 29, 2018, 02:25:11 PM
potential look-ahead game for the Stags @ ULV

Oxy may have been looking ahead. Claremont won't be. Everyone played against ULV the first time the Stags throttled the Leos. It'll be the same result again this Wednesday.

OxyBob
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gosox on January 30, 2018, 10:15:53 AM
It is good to see Oxy Bob back!

Was at the game and I do not think Oxy was looking forward...I think they simply played bad...They shot 9% from 3's...29% from the field...obviously not what they have been displaying as of late...ULV actually had a chance to win in regulation with 8 seconds left and missed a tear drop layup...they have struggled all year with various facets of the game,  young team and some senior leadership struggles....but Oxy to their credit...found a way to win, even on a bad night....from my experience...that is what championship teams do....find a way regardless of what they might be facing, bad play, sickness, etc.... they  have some nice chemistry going....Look forward to Oxy Bob's insight on the CMS bout coming up....!!!

Cheers to all!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 30, 2018, 03:11:08 PM
Quote from: Gosox on January 30, 2018, 10:15:53 AM
ULV actually had a chance to win in regulation with 8 seconds left and missed a tear drop layup...they have struggled all year with various facets of the game,  young team and some senior leadership struggles

Real tough year for Rich Reed and the team. They should play the Edwards kid more. I heard he's pretty good.

OxyBob
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 01, 2018, 04:07:45 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 29, 2018, 05:00:22 PM
Oxy may have been looking ahead. Claremont won't be. Everyone played against ULV the first time the Stags throttled the Leos. It'll be the same result again this Wednesday.

As expected, Claremont manhandled La Verne 72-53.

On Saturday at 5:00 p.m., second place Claremont (11-7, 9-1 SCIAC) meets first place Oxy (16-2, 9-0) at CMS. The Stags no longer play in shoe box-sized Ducey Gym, dubbed by me as The Temple of Doom, which was demolished and replaced by the magnificent Roberts Pavillion, which I guess is the Taj Mahal of Doom. Oxy will have to play its very best basketball to get a win.

The rest of Saturday's schedule:

Pomona (9-10, 7-3) @ Redlands (5-15, 3-8) 2:00 p.m.
Cal Lutheran (6-12, 4-7) @ Chapman (14-6, 7-4) 2:00 p.m.
La Verne (0-19, 0-10) @ Whittier (8-12, 6-5) 5:00 p.m.

Caltech (4-16, 2-9) is idle.

OxyBob
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 05, 2018, 01:39:37 PM
From Saturday:

Claremont 70 Oxy 60

Claremont handed Oxy its first conference loss. The Stags led by 11 at the half. In the second half the Tigers got within 4 but that was as close as they got. Pretty even statistically shooting-wise, but CMS out-rebounded Oxy 36-26.

For Oxy, Zach Baines scored 21, Austin DeWitz scored 13, and Jonny Crosthwaite had 11. For Claremont, Michael Scarlett scored 20, Kendrick Morris had 14, and Miles President scored 12.

With the win Claremont took over first place in the SCIAC at 10-1. The Stags are 12-7 overall and have won 9 straight. With the loss Oxy is 16-3, 9-1, and had their 10-game winning streak snapped.

Here's the SCIAC schedule for Wednesday, all games at 7:00 p.m.:

Oxy (16-3, 9-1 SCIAC) @ Caltech (4-16, 2-9)
Redlands (5-16, 3-9) @ La Verne (0-20, 0-11)
Pomona (10-10, 8-3) @ Claremont (12-7, 10-1)
Whittier (9-12, 7-5) @ Chapman (15-6, 8-4)

Nonconference:

Cal Lutheran (6-13, 4-8) @ UC Santa Cruz (15-7)

OxyBob
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on February 05, 2018, 04:18:00 PM
Difference in the game was a 10-0 run from the Stags in the middle of the 1st half that pushed the lead from 20-19 to 30-19. From there the Stags controlled the game.

Jack Ely had a very strong game rebounding and guarding Baines.

As I expected, Oxy came out and guarded the Stags with an aggressive switching defense - they had a week to prepare for the Stags and have Mike Wells on the staff, son of CMS legend David Wells. Mike basically grew up in Ducey and probably has the motion offense in his bloodstream. Oxy was prepared to guard the Stags, but the beauty of the motion is the counters it provides to any defense thrown at it.

The game was an even matchup and I look forward to the rematch in a week.

No rest for the Stags - another huge game on Wednesday against Pomona. CMS and Pomona both are riding hot streaks going a combined 17-1 in the new year (only loss was PP @ Oxy). This should be a great game at Roberts and I expect there to be a pretty good crowd for this one.

Both teams are stacked at the guard positions (Rosenbaum, Elan, Koch, Rees for PP); (Scarlett, Lynds, President, Ely for PP). The Stags do have an edge down low with their 3 headed monster of Morris, Meyers and Horn - they are getting a combined 18 and 10 from the 5 position which is huge for the guards and the motion.

I expect a very good and close game throughout. Pomona will throw their usual combination of 2-2-1 soft press, 2-3 zone and will go under screens in the motion and then press up to the shooters. I'm very excited to see this game play out.

Both teams are pretty much a lock for the SCIAC playoff at this point and are playing for seeding. Pomona needs this one to stay in the hunt for the championship.

No news here, but winner of the SCIAC playoff will be shipped up to Walla Walla and will play Whitworth in the opening round like last year. Winner likely plays Whitman (assuming they get past their 1st round opponent). I don't really see another outcome here given NWC will get 2 teams barring a meltdown from Whitworth.


Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 05, 2018, 10:19:48 PM
Quote from: stag44 on February 05, 2018, 04:18:00 PM
No news here, but winner of the SCIAC playoff will be shipped up to Walla Walla and will play Whitworth in the opening round like last year. Winner likely plays Whitman (assuming they get past their 1st round opponent). I don't really see another outcome here given NWC will get 2 teams barring a meltdown from Whitworth.

That doesn't necessarily have to happen. Thanks to the bracket being a complete 64-team set-up, two teams have to most likely go to Walla Walla (some assumptions right now) and most likely one or two teams will have to go to Texas. We have already seen the women's committee ship SCIAC teams to Texas. There is nothing that would keep the men's committee from doing the same ... or elsewhere. Wherever there is a challenge to fill a bracket with four teams - there aren't enough to bus there.

There is no rule that says they must fly them the shortest distance possible. Flight is a flight in the grand scheme of things. They may not fly a west coast team to New England, but plenty of options there if the committee needs it. All depends on who is the tournament, who is (or can/will) host, etc.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 06, 2018, 08:22:32 AM

If, for example, Sul Ross State and Colorado College get in from the ASC and SCAC, two teams that are more than 500 miles from each other, you could see those schools in Washington and the SCIAC winner elsewhere.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on February 06, 2018, 12:39:11 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 05, 2018, 10:19:48 PM
That doesn't necessarily have to happen. Thanks to the bracket being a complete 64-team set-up, two teams have to most likely go to Walla Walla (some assumptions right now) and most likely one or two teams will have to go to Texas. We have already seen the women's committee ship SCIAC teams to Texas. There is nothing that would keep the men's committee from doing the same ... or elsewhere. Wherever there is a challenge to fill a bracket with four teams - there aren't enough to bus there.

There is no rule that says they must fly them the shortest distance possible. Flight is a flight in the grand scheme of things. They may not fly a west coast team to New England, but plenty of options there if the committee needs it. All depends on who is the tournament, who is (or can/will) host, etc.
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 06, 2018, 08:22:32 AM

If, for example, Sul Ross State and Colorado College get in from the ASC and SCAC, two teams that are more than 500 miles from each other, you could see those schools in Washington and the SCIAC winner elsewhere.

Very helpful context - I didn't realize that flight distance was not a criteria. I guess at the end of the day the SCIAC team will like be a plug to make the bracket work. In any situation, the SCIAC will have to travel their way through.

Random thought - if there was an endowment provided for D3 by the schools to make travel a non-issue (ie really provide parity in the brackets, similar to D1), would that be something the NCAA would go for? Just thinking out loud because in the current situation, the SCIAC would only host in a similar fashion to how the NWC is right now. I'm guessing it would cost something around $1.5-2M for all the flights and hotels for the teams to be traveling. So if you endowed it, you would need something like ~$40-50M to make the math work.

My initial thought its that the NCAA would squash it if it was just for 1 sport, because that would not provide equity, but I'm not sure if that is the case or not. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 06, 2018, 02:05:42 PM
Quote from: stag44 on February 06, 2018, 12:39:11 PM

Random thought - if there was an endowment provided for D3 by the schools to make travel a non-issue (ie really provide parity in the brackets, similar to D1), would that be something the NCAA would go for? Just thinking out loud because in the current situation, the SCIAC would only host in a similar fashion to how the NWC is right now. I'm guessing it would cost something around $1.5-2M for all the flights and hotels for the teams to be traveling. So if you endowed it, you would need something like ~$40-50M to make the math work.

My initial thought its that the NCAA would squash it if it was just for 1 sport, because that would not provide equity, but I'm not sure if that is the case or not.

Your last statement is pretty much the key - you can't do it for just one sport. Thus there are 64 teams in the women's D1 tournament when if you ran the tournament like all others in the NCAA, I don't believe the access ratio would allow 64 teams (D1 men wouldn't be at 64, either).

If you are curious how the budget works, here you go (DIII releases this every year): http://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files/2018DIII_FactsandFigures_20170919.pdf

Notice you think it might be $40-$50 million dollars for travel. Notice the entire DIII budget is just over $30 million currently and 75% of that goes towards 28 championships. Not sure how you could create an endowment that would dwarf the overall budget. Also, not sure how the rest of the NCAA would feel about it. When it comes to finances, that is usually an all-NCAA voting item, not a DIII specific one.

And to be clear, the "NCAA" doesn't approve or disapprove of items. Member institutions and conferences vote on these things. Those in Indy are tasked with carrying out the rules set by its members. So the "NCAA" approving something like this really means all members of the NCAA, not the home office in Indy.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 07, 2018, 05:47:06 PM
Men's first regional rankings this season: http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2018/02/men-regional-rankings-first
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 08, 2018, 12:59:51 PM
Wednesday night's scores:

Oxy 63 Caltech 52
Redlands 79 La Verne 73
Claremont 73 Pomona 60
Cal Lutheran 74 UC Santa Cruz 73
Chapman 77 Whittier 74

Saturday's schedule:

La Verne (0-21, 0-12 SCIAC) @ Chapman (16-6, 9-4) 2:00 PM   
Pomona (10-11, 8-4) @ Cal Lutheran (7-13, 4-8) 2:00 PM   
Whittier (9-13, 7-6) @ Oxy (17-3, 10-1) 2:00 PM   
Redlands (6-16, 4-9) @ Caltech (4-17, 2-10) 5:00 PM

Claremont (13-7, 11-1) is idle.

Conference standings: CMS 11-1, Oxy 10-1, CU 9-4, PP 8-4, WC 7-6, CLU 4-8, UR 4-9, CIT 2-10, ULV 0-12

OxyBob
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 08, 2018, 05:42:57 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 08, 2018, 12:59:51 PM
Wednesday night's scores:

Cal Lutheran 74 UC Santa Cruz 73


Game winning 3-ball:

https://twitter.com/CLUSports/status/961466462320803840

OxyBob
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on February 08, 2018, 05:48:14 PM
With 4-5 games left in conference for all the teams there are probably 3-4 key things I'm looking for as we head into the playoffs

1) Oxy vs CMS (Round 2) - This will likely decide the regular season conference champion and who gets home court through the SCIAC playoff. Oxy is playing well and is always tough at home. CMS really seems to be hitting their stride right now; the offense is humming and their defensive performance against both Oxy and PP was reminiscent of the old school Stag D. Regardless, these 2 have clearly showed they are the top 2 teams in conference this year and it would not surprise me if there was a round 3 with a bid on the line.

2) What are the SCIAC semi matchups? Oxy are CMS are locks and virtual locks for 1 and 2. Pomona and Chapman control their own destiny into the tournament. Whittier is in 5th and has an outside chance to make it.  Both potential semi-final matchups would be awesome and compelling. If the top 4 hold, any one of them could put together a strong weekend and win the bid.

3) Will ULV get a win? There is a SCIAC team who is winless into February - this used to be a pretty common occurrence, but the team in question is different this year - La Verne is unfortunately winless but has 4 more changes to put a win on the board. Their best chance likely comes next Saturday when they host Caltech. I know La Verne had to reload this year after losing alot of their firepower, but this was very unexpected. 

4) Where does the SCIAC champ get sent? As discussed above, the destination is likely Washington or Texas. 5 years ago they were sent out to Wisconsin, which is a potential option, but who knows. In any case, this year whoever represents the SCIAC will likely be the 4 seed in a pod and have an uphill battle to make it out of the first weekend.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on February 08, 2018, 08:16:46 PM
Oxy was once sent to Mississippi College.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 08, 2018, 08:59:23 PM
Quote from: stag44 on February 08, 2018, 05:48:14 PM
1) Oxy vs CMS (Round 2) - This will likely decide the regular season conference champion and who gets home court through the SCIAC playoff.

Oxy better not look past Whittier. Oxy played a poor game at home against La Verne and almost lost. Whittier's a better team and really needs a win.

Quote from: stag44 on February 08, 2018, 05:48:14 PM
Whittier is in 5th and has an outside chance to make it.

See above.

Quote from: stag44 on February 08, 2018, 05:48:14 PM
3) Will ULV get a win?

Nightmare season for Rich Reed. Brutal.

Quote from: stag44 on February 08, 2018, 05:48:14 PM
4) Where does the SCIAC champ get sent?

Washington.

Quote from: Gray Fox on February 08, 2018, 08:16:46 PM
Oxy was once sent to Mississippi College.

Sore subject.

OxyBob
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 08, 2018, 10:58:46 PM
SCIAC team could go absolutely anywhere. A lot will depend on how many Texas teams (or if there is a team close enough to Texas) and even how the NWC works out. SCIAC could be an easy filler for the committee, though not going too far east - I don't think they would send them all the way to the coast... but St. John's may need help filling a pod easily without it being too brutal. Another team in the Central or South may need a solution as well.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on February 08, 2018, 11:03:14 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 08, 2018, 08:59:23 PM

Quote from: Gray Fox on February 08, 2018, 08:16:46 PM
Oxy was once sent to Mississippi College.

Sore subject.

OxyBob

Indeed >:(
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 12, 2018, 03:07:53 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 08, 2018, 08:59:23 PM
Quote from: stag44 on February 08, 2018, 05:48:14 PM
1) Oxy vs CMS (Round 2) - This will likely decide the regular season conference champion and who gets home court through the SCIAC playoff.

Oxy better not look past Whittier. Oxy played a poor game at home against La Verne and almost lost. Whittier's a better team and really needs a win.

Oxy couldn't get it done at home against Whittier, losing 74-73. The Tigers had a 73-69 lead with 30 seconds left. An Oxy turnover gave the Poets a last chance, and Louis Kurihara converted a 3-point play with 2 seconds to go to give Whittier the win.

Oxy now faces Claremont (tonight) and Chapman (Wednesday) at home, followed by Pomona (Saturday) on the road.

Conference standings:

Claremont 11-1, Oxy 10-2, Chapman 10-4, Pomona 9-4, Whittier 8-6, Cal Lutheran 4-9, Redlands 4-10, Caltech 3-10, La Verne 0-13

OxyBob
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CMSfan on February 13, 2018, 01:02:31 AM
Nice win for the Stags on the road at Oxy tonight. Glad to see they have moved past the early season struggles and seem to be clicking now. They'll be a tough draw in the tournament (if they can get the AQ, of course).
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gosox on February 13, 2018, 02:15:33 PM
Does it really matter who gets in from the SCIAC? It seems whoever it is...goes, loses and comes back pretty quick...guess at least the Seniors get to make a trip.....
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on February 13, 2018, 06:47:45 PM
Quote from: Gosox on February 13, 2018, 02:15:33 PM
Does it really matter who gets in from the SCIAC? It seems whoever it is...goes, loses and comes back pretty quick...guess at least the Seniors get to make a trip.....

I would say that the SCIAC has started to show up a bit better in the NCAAs now - granted outside of Oxy, no team in recent memory has made it out of the 1st weekend, but the last 2 CMS visits they made it to the 2nd round. In both situations they played the host team in the round of 32 and were extremely competitive in both games. Against ETBU in 2015, they were up for a majority of the first half and played them tough until the last minute. Against Whitman, who was undefeated and lost in the national championship, it was a similar outcome with the game being pretty close.

In 2015 in the 1st round CMS beat TLU by over 20pts and last year CMS beat Whitworth (who was highly ranked) in the 1st round. I think the top SCIAC teams are starting to play better in the tournament and hopefully one can make a run into the 2nd weekend soon!

Aside from that, the opportunity to play in the tournament for the students is incredible. I was lucky enough to play in 2 games and the atmosphere was electric and its an incredible memory, even though they both ended in losses.

CMS is knocking on the door and continues to play better in the tournament and I know the administration is fully behind them in building a nationally competitive program. I think paradigm has shifted from from winning the conference being a successful outcome (which it still is) to winning NCAA games and scheduling in a way that prepares the team for Feb / March.

I know that history is not on my side, but it's a matter of time before one of the SCIAC teams breaks through again. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 14, 2018, 01:58:37 PM
These things are here:
http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2018/02/men-regional-rankings-second
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 14, 2018, 05:03:12 PM
Quote from: CMSfan on February 13, 2018, 01:02:31 AM
Nice win for the Stags on the road at Oxy tonight.

Claremont 68 Oxy 62

Oxy only led one time in the game at 18-17. Otherwise CMS was in control.

Oxy started the conference season 9-0 but the Tigers are 1-3 since including two straight home losses.

Claremont is a lock for the No. 1 seed in the 4-team conference tournament. Right now it looks like Claremont, Oxy, Chapman and Pomona will make the conference tournament, the seeding yet to be decided.

Whittier is in 5th place and has a must-win game against Claremont to stay in the race for a spot in the conference tournament. The Poets have to keep winning and hope Pomona stumbles. Unfortunately for Whittier, Pomona is at home against winless La Verne, so bets are the Sagehens won't stumble tonight.

Tonight's schedule, all games 7:00 p.m.

Caltech (5-17, 3-10 SCIAC) @ Cal Lutheran (7-14, 4-9)
Chapman (17-6, 10-4) @ Oxy (17-5, 10-3)
La Verne (0-22, 0-13) @ Pomona (11-11, 9-4)
Claremont (14-7, 12-1) @ Whittier (10-13, 8-6)

Redlands (6-17, 4-10) is idle.

OxyBob
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 15, 2018, 02:01:10 PM
Wednesday night's scores:

Cal Lutheran 85 Caltech 81
Oxy 62 Chapman 45
Pomona 90 La Verne 46
Claremont 85 Whittier 65

Claremont clinched the No. 1 seed in the 4-team SCIAC tournament. Oxy, Pomona and Chapman will sort out the other 3 seeds. With its loss to CMS, Whittier was eliminated from the conference tournament.   

Saturday's schedule:

Caltech (5-18, 3-11 SCIAC) @ La Verne (0-23, 0-14) 2:00 PM    
Chapman (17-7, 10-5) @ Claremont (15-7, 13-1) 5:00 PM
Cal Lutheran (8-14, 5-9) @ Redlands (6-17, 4-10) 5:00 PM    
Oxy (18-5, 11-3) @ Pomona (12-11, 10-4) 5:00 PM

Whittier (10-14, 8-7) is idle.

OxyBob
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 18, 2018, 05:49:09 PM
Saturday's scores

La Verne 96 Caltech 86 OT
Claremont 72 Chapman 63
Redlands 72 Cal Lutheran 65
Pomona 61, Oxy 47

Nice job by La Verne to beat Caltech in overtime and avoid a winless season.

Chapman (10-6 SCIAC) lost to Claremont (14-1), so Chapman will be the No. 4 seed in the SCIAC tournament and face No. 1 seed Claremont in one semifinal. Oxy and Pomona will be the No. 2 and No. 3 seeds and play each other in the other semifinal, order of seeding to be determined on Wednesday. Oxy and Pomona are both 11-4 and split their two games against each other. Oxy finishes conference play at home against Redlands, while Pomona is at Whittier. If Oxy and Pomona end up tied in the conference then by my reckoning Oxy has the tiebreaker with Pomona because the Tigers beat Chapman twice while the Sagehens split their two games with the Panthers.

Wednesday's Tuesday's schedule, all games 7:00 p.m.

La Verne (1-23, 1-14 SCIAC) @ Cal Lutheran (8-15, 5-10)
Redlands (7-17, 5-10) @ Oxy (18-6, 11-4)
Pomona (13-11, 11-4) @ Whittier (10-14, 8-7)
Claremont (16-7, 14-1) @ Caltech (5-19, 3-12)

Chapman (17-8, 10-6) will play at Claremont in the SCIAC tournament semifinals on Friday.

OxyBob
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D O.C. on February 18, 2018, 06:36:57 PM
Is OxyBob still doing color on some games?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on February 18, 2018, 08:59:46 PM
Quote from: D O.C. on February 18, 2018, 06:36:57 PM
Is OxyBob still doing color on some games?
Better yet, will he be interviewing the AD at halftime? :P
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D O.C. on February 20, 2018, 12:04:23 AM
I'd pay 12 bucks on Stretch for that.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 21, 2018, 10:21:11 AM
Tuesday night's scores:

Cal Lutheran 79 La Verne 77
Oxy 89 Redlands 69
Pomona 93 Whittier 85
Claremont 75 Caltech 68

Final conference standings:

Claremont 15-1 Oxy 12-4 Pomona 12-4 Chapman 10-6 Whittier 8-8 Cal Lutheran 6-10 Redlands 5-11 Caltech 3-13 La Verne 1-15

The SCIAC Tournament is Friday Feb. 23 and Saturday Feb. 24.

Friday Feb. 23, Semifinals, 7:00 p.m.

No. 4 Chapman (17-8, 10-6) @ No. 1 Claremont (17-7, 15-1)
No. 3 Pomona (14-11, 12-4) @ No. 2 Oxy (19-6, 12-4)

The winners meet Saturday at 7:00 p.m. at the highest remaining seed. Tournament winner gets SCIAC's NCAA tournament automatic bid.

Claremont has won 14 straight.
Oxy's best season since 22-6 in 2007-08.
Pomona 9-1 in last 10 games.
Chapman 7-3 in away games.

OxyBob
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on February 21, 2018, 02:19:19 PM
Will be a great slate of games on Friday. It's interesting and coincidence that semi-finals are a rematch of the games from this past Saturday.

Oxy v Pomona will be really interesting - Pomona has been playing really well in 2018, with their only loss coming at CMS and at Oxy. Oxy winning yesterday gives them the 2 seed and home court which is important the SCIAC tournament. Oxy must keep the game low scoring and use their physicality to dominate the Pomona guards. Both teams are playing with confidence right now, but it does seem like Pomona is playing with momentum and is fresh off beating Oxy handily last weekend. They dominated Oxy in their own game, getting 18 offensive rebounds and holding them to 15pts in the 1st half.

CMS v Chapman will also be a good game. Chapman has played CMS tight in both games and in the 1st game had CMS down by double digits at one point (I'm not sure but that might be the only time in conference the Stags have trailed by double digits). In fact, it looks like Chapman has put CMS in its largest deficits in both games (down 12 @ Chapman and down 8 at home this past weekend). Chapman has the pieces on their team to be very dangerous and they are well coached and disciplined when running their stuff. They were effective this past weekend in getting to the rim on the Stags and Nelson has a career high 28 points. I'm sure both teams will look at the film and see plenty of areas where they could have improved. Chapman's back-up was more effective than their freshman starter, though neither really did much to stop the CMS 5s who scored a combined 28. The Stags will look at the box score and gladly take a win when Scarlett shots 6-17, President doesn't score from the field and they only shoot 6 FTs. I'd expect Scali to make some smart adjustments based on the film on both sides of the ball. Chapman will likely do they same - they had a full week to prepare with no games so there might be some wrinkles. This is very similar to 4 years ago when CMS played CLU one week apart and in the semis CLU completely changed their offensive scheme for the game against CMS and upset the Stags. I highly doubt that Chapman will go to that level given the coach is very principled in his stuff (some of their sets have been the same since for 15 years). I'd anticipate Chapman to be VERY aggressive trying to drive the lane, pick up foul count, and put the pressure on the Stag guards to defend the penetration.

Should be a fun Friday night!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 21, 2018, 02:38:07 PM
The NCAA men's basketball regional advisory committees released their third set of rankings, and as expected, the Atlantic Region was among those getting shuffled. Here's the full list: http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2018/02/men-regional-rankings-third

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcdnak1.psbin.com%2Fimg%2Fmw%3D600%2Fmh%3D600%2Fcr%3Dn%2Fd%3D4ima3%2Fdinflo07zg1qa2ww.jpg&hash=686d8e036c15a7019bc8f4723e2af35008adc158)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 21, 2018, 02:40:24 PM
Quote from: stag44 on February 21, 2018, 02:19:19 PM
This is very similar to 4 years ago when CMS played CLU one week apart and in the semis CLU completely changed their offensive scheme for the game against CMS and upset the Stags. I highly doubt that Chapman will go to that level given the coach is very principled in his stuff (some of their sets have been the same since for 15 years).

The same sets for the last 15 years. Hmmm, sounds like another SCIAC coach I know.

OxyBob
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on February 21, 2018, 07:52:49 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 21, 2018, 02:40:24 PM
Quote from: stag44 on February 21, 2018, 02:19:19 PM
This is very similar to 4 years ago when CMS played CLU one week apart and in the semis CLU completely changed their offensive scheme for the game against CMS and upset the Stags. I highly doubt that Chapman will go to that level given the coach is very principled in his stuff (some of their sets have been the same since for 15 years).

The same sets for the last 15 years. Hmmm, sounds like another SCIAC coach I know.

OxyBob

Haha sounds like a bunch of the SCIAC to be honest.. Interestingly enough, Scali actually runs few if any sets, but yet he's been running the same motion-style offense for the Stags during his 20 years, but that has been the way for CMS for even longer since David Wells and even at times with Ducey.

The differentiator is that sets are much easier to scout and plan against vs the motion which morphs as the defense adjusts.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 24, 2018, 11:37:46 AM
Pomona 71 Oxy 60

Pomona played flawlessly, beating Oxy 71-60 in the SCIAC tournament semifinal. The Sagehens had 4 players in double figures, made 10 3-pointers and were 17-of-18 on FTs.

Pomona got off to a 12-5 lead, but Oxy came back and took its last lead of the game at 19-17 on a breakaway dunk by Cale Yellin-Flaherty. Pomona then ran off 12 straight to lead 29-19, and Oxy never caught up after that. Pomona led by as many as 16 in the second half. Oxy made it interesting by getting within 62-58 with 2:50 left, but after a timeout Pomona ran a give-and-go for an easy layup and that was that.

For Pomona, Micah Elan scored 19, including 5 3-balls, Daniel Rosenbaum and Adam Rees each had 13, and Corbin Koch scored 10.

For Oxy, Zach Baines scored 23, Jonny Crosthwaite had 16, including 4 3-pointers, and Yellin-Flaherty had 10.

Oxy finishes 19-7. Congratulations to Brian Newhall and the Tigers on a great season.

Very nice to see Oxy basketball royalty -- Connor Whitman and Henry Meier -- in attendance. Has it really been 10 years already?

Tonight at 7:00 p.m., No. 3 seed Pomona (15-11) will play at No. 1 Claremont (18-7) for the SCIAC tournament championship and the NCAA D-III tournament automatic bid. Claremont beat Chapman (17-9) 83-72 in the other SCIAC semifinal.

CMS and Pomona are both rolling. The Stags have won 15 straight, and the Sagehens have won 5 straight and 10 of 11. It's always a wild scene when Pomona and Claremont go at it. Well worth watching.

OxyBob
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 25, 2018, 10:47:14 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 24, 2018, 11:37:46 AM
It's always a wild scene when Pomona and Claremont go at it. Well worth watching.

On the other hand...

SCIAC Tournament Final

Claremont 86 Pomona 62

No contest.

Pomona finishes (15-12, 12-4 SCIAC).

Claremont (19-7, 15-1) has won 16 straight. Good luck to the Stags in the NCAA tournament.

OxyBob
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on February 25, 2018, 04:12:29 PM
Congrats to the Stags! I was in complete shock watching the game - the CMS - PP games almost always close, particularly in the SCIAC tournament. It was a great win for Scali and the team - Lynds and Scarlett played a phenomenal game and President and Ely stepped up again on defense. Great team win from them.

Any thoughts on where they get sent based on where the Pool A bids are lining up? Are Texax and Minnesota / Wisconsin real options? I guess if there are 3 flights needed, then it opens CMS to end up somewhere besides Walla Walla. If there are only 2 flights needed, then my assumption is both will be sent to Walla Walla.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 25, 2018, 10:34:06 PM

We have our mock bracket out - http://www.d3hoops.com/playoffs/men/2018/projected-mens-bracket

However, we did not put a third Texas team in, which is a real possibility and would screw everything up.  If it's just two Texas teams, CMS will almost certainly be playing at Whitman.  Conventional wisdom says Whitworth again as the opponent.  In our mock bracket we added an extra flight to get Whitworth out of Whitman's gym, but I think the chances of the committee actually doing that are about 15%, at best.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: (509)Rat on February 26, 2018, 12:40:22 AM
The unofficial d3hoops committee always seems to do the official NCAA selection committee's job better than they do. At least when it comes to making brackets that are seeded as fairly as possible while working with flight limitations. But there's a difference between creative solutions while limiting flights and adding a flight so Whitworth and Whitman don't have to play each other in the first weekend. I am confident in saying the committee will NEVER spend money on a flight that isn't necessary in order to fairly "seed" teams from the far west.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 26, 2018, 01:26:10 AM
Quote from: (509)Rat on February 26, 2018, 12:40:22 AM
The unofficial d3hoops committee always seems to do the official NCAA selection committee's job better than they do. At least when it comes to making brackets that are seeded as fairly as possible while working with flight limitations. But there's a difference between creative solutions while limiting flights and adding a flight so Whitworth and Whitman don't have to play each other in the first weekend. I am confident in saying the committee will NEVER spend money on a flight that isn't necessary in order to fairly "seed" teams from the far west.

They have paid for one more flight than necessary on occasion if the bracket demanded it.  It's not unprecedented, just unlikely.  If those NWC teams had stronger SOS numbers that put them higher overall by the criteria the committee uses for evaluation, it might happen.

My first draft had Whitworth at Whitman and Sul Ross State at Ramapo.  That would've been interesting.

There are many ways to make this tournament work. I look forward to seeing the official version.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 26, 2018, 02:57:40 PM
Quote from: (509)Rat on February 26, 2018, 12:40:22 AM
But there's a difference between creative solutions while limiting flights and adding a flight so Whitworth and Whitman don't have to play each other in the first weekend.

Oh boo-hoo. Oxy played Claremont in the first round in 2006, when Claremont got doubly screwed and had to play on the road at Oxy instead of at home in the Temple of Doom. Oxy also played Pomona in the first round in 2008. That's how it goes for the D-III west coast. Always has, always will.

OxyBob
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: (509)Rat on February 26, 2018, 03:12:13 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 26, 2018, 02:57:40 PM
Quote from: (509)Rat on February 26, 2018, 12:40:22 AM
But there's a difference between creative solutions while limiting flights and adding a flight so Whitworth and Whitman don't have to play each other in the first weekend.

Oh boo-hoo. Oxy played Claremont in the first round in 2006, when Claremont got doubly screwed and had to play on the road at Oxy instead of at home in the Temple of Doom. Oxy also played Pomona in the first round in 2008. That's how it goes for the D-III west coast. Always has, always will.

OxyBob

Easy there Tiger. I wasn't complaining. I was making the exact same point as you just did. The d3hoops folks have actually found ways to keep flights down and break up the far west teams on occasion, and even when additional flights wouldn't be needed to do so, the NCAA committee has still put us all in the same pod. If the committee won't shake things up when there's a solution that keeps costs down, they sure aren't going to add flights in the name of fairness.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: blackhawks4 on February 26, 2018, 11:27:10 PM
How does this years CMS team compare to last years?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 27, 2018, 12:46:54 AM
Quote from: blackhawks4 on February 26, 2018, 11:27:10 PM
How does this years CMS team compare to last years?

I think it's better than last year - at least now that everyone's healthy.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CMSfan on February 27, 2018, 12:58:49 AM
Quote from: blackhawks4 on February 26, 2018, 11:27:10 PM
How does this years CMS team compare to last years?

The Stags got off to a rough start while Scarlett was out, but they are on nice winning streak and seem to be clicking now. As stag44 said, it's not often CMS blows out Pomona, given the intensity of the closest rivalry in college sports.

I think this year's team is better than last year's, in large part because Scott Lynds (CMS PG) is back. He missed last season due to injury, but he's a very solid player and gives CMS a deeper backcourt than they had last year. CMS is a tough, disciplined team and did a pretty good job of handling Whitman's press even without Lynds last year, but having Lynds back is huge. Michael Scarlett is the SCIAC POY and can put the Stags on his back when he needs too. Kendrick Morris also returns in the middle for CMS. He put up two big games against Whitworth and Whitman last year (he went for 20+ in both). They only lost Riley Hall from last year's roster, and while his physicality is missed, guys like Jack Ely add some muscle and intensity.

From what I've seen this year, I think they match up better with Whitworth than Whitman, but I wouldn't be shocked to see them pull off the incredible feat of taking out #2 and #1 consecutively on the opening weekend. (Okay, I'd be a little shocked...but I'm saying there's a chance!)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on February 27, 2018, 01:34:42 AM
The teams are very different from last year and this year and I think they are both really competitive. Riley Hall was a HUGE component to the teams success last year as a leader, defender and glue guy on offense. With both Lynds and Riley last year, the team was 13-1 and playing at a very high level. This year having Lynds back was huge and since they have been healthy they are playing really well.

Whitworth also looks good this year - they just reloaded even after losing Love and Jurlina and look more explosive this year.

The CMS / WW game is going to be awesome. Both teams are playing at a very high level and are familiar with each other after their game last year. I'm sure that Roach and Logie are excited to get another chance at CMS. Scali / Lynds / Scarlett / Morris / Ely / President and the rest of the crew will be ready for the Stags!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 27, 2018, 06:50:22 AM

CMS is full of seniors who are now at full strength, playing a team they beat in a gym they know.  I think the matchup with Whitworth is even and I think they'd win 1 of 3 from Whitman.  Who knows, this week might be lucky?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gosox on March 01, 2018, 01:22:35 PM
CMS will do what they always do...lose in the 1st or 2nd round....but a nice season in the SCIAC....
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 01, 2018, 06:52:16 PM
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Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D O.C. on March 03, 2018, 01:21:54 AM
Mudd goes to the snow and brings back a W.
Good job.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: blackhawks4 on March 03, 2018, 11:15:37 AM
Final Thoughts on Last night's WW-CMS game:

Looking forward to tonights WMN-CMS game. What we saw out of CMS (strengths)

CMS weaknesses

I'm very curios to see how Claremont plays Whitman.  Will they take the leash off and run and take opportunites, or will they pull it out? Defensively, who guards Howell?  How does WMN handle that big guy--could be huge asset or huge liability.  WW pulled him out on D and exposed him, but WMN doesnt really have that player (like Jared Kelly)--unless Colton. 

Hoping Scarlett doesn't go crazy tonight--I think that's the only way they pull out a win.  Prediction:  I think its a 10 pt Whitman win, but by no means is it a given. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on March 03, 2018, 02:06:48 PM
Congrats to CMS on a big win in the North West.

Now comes the problem of back-to-back games...

CMS played 3 starters 38+ minutes.

The minutes played for the top 3 Whitman starters -- 27, 26 and 24.

Whitman went 10 deep and (if you take out the guys who played 2 minutes or less) CMS goes 7 deep.

I would expect given the high pace that Whitman likes to play with and that they have managed that pace through back-to-backs all season (SCIAC doesn't play back-to-backs) that they have a leg up tonight.

But this is why we play the games!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: blackhawks4 on March 04, 2018, 12:24:23 AM
I cannot say enough about Michael Scarlett. What a fantastic player.  CMS was a VERY good team--top 10 team in the country. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gosox on March 05, 2018, 09:57:52 AM
So they lost in the 2nd round....again....hmm
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on March 05, 2018, 01:56:08 PM
Quote from: Gosox on March 05, 2018, 09:57:52 AM
So they lost in the 2nd round....again....hmm

Maybe it's just me, but if my team went 1-24 then I wouldn't have much to criticize about Claremont.

Quote from: blackhawks4 on March 04, 2018, 12:24:23 AM
I cannot say enough about Michael Scarlett. What a fantastic player.  CMS was a VERY good team--top 10 team in the country. 

Great comeback by CMS against Whitman to force overtime. Just fell short.

OxyBob
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gosox on March 05, 2018, 02:05:08 PM
Yeah I guess if I was coaching that team...then maybe you would have a valid point! Having watched SCIAC basketball now for 11 years, no one ever makes it past 1st or 2nd rounds consistently??.....continually losing in the first or second round...I guess pointing out the facts seems to bother some......I get it...my bad..."
great year guys getting to the 2nd round!....here's to another fine season in the books....(better? easier to read?)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on March 05, 2018, 04:40:59 PM
Quote from: Gosox on March 05, 2018, 02:05:08 PM
Having watched SCIAC basketball now for 11 years, no one ever makes it past 1st or 2nd rounds consistently??.....continually losing in the first or second round...I guess pointing out the facts seems to bother some

Here are some facts:

In the poll posted on February 26, Whitworth (24-3) was ranked No. 2 by D3hoops.com, and Whitman (26-1) was ranked No. 1. Claremont beat Whitworth on the road for the second year in a row. The next night CMS came back from 12 down at halftime and 7 down with 2 minutes left to force OT on Whitman's home court before losing in OT. Awesome effort.

FYI: Last season Claremont went on the road and beat 23-4 Whitworth, and then lost to 28-0 No.1 Whitman by 6.

If you'd ever been to a game at Whitworth or Whitman or Puget Sound then you'd know how tough it is to win there.

Looking forward to your next round of potshots.

OxyBob


Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on March 05, 2018, 08:06:01 PM
Great game....agreed it is hard to win up there...maybe its worth contemplating why games are never played down here....answer is bad scheduling.

CMS (aside from being injured and losing early in the season) did themselves no favors by scheduling non counting games.  More to that point: Oxy and Chapman need to play real schedules so that the SCIAC's SOS doesn't suffer as a whole.

Granted the SCIAC fared horribly against the NWC this year so no amount of scheduling would have helped THIS YEAR, but to play games in the state of California the SCIAC has to have a favorable record against and better SOS than the NWC. 

For the sake of example: playing both Cal Miramar and West Coast Baptist 2 times is really a detriment to the SCIAC.  When you schedule that way only 5 schools in the Western Region end up with a worse SOS than your team....but hey, if you're going to out in the first round every year who cares :)

CMS SOS: .491
Whitworth SOS: .537
Whitman SOS: .525

http://web1.ncaa.org/champsel_new/exec/pdf/staticpdfrank

Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gosox on March 05, 2018, 10:02:29 PM
So I indicated they'd lose in rounds 1 or 2.... and you just verified my prediction they lost? SMH
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on March 07, 2018, 01:17:22 PM
Quote from: Gosox on March 05, 2018, 10:02:29 PM
So I indicated they'd lose in rounds 1 or 2

Let's assume you knew Whitman and Whitworth were the No. 1 and No. 2 ranked teams in D-III. You predicted Claremont would go on the road and lose to one of them. Wow, that's sure going out on a limb!

Please help me with my March Madness Final Four picks. Oh, I should pick all four No. 1 regional seeds? Great, thanks!

OxyBob
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 07, 2018, 01:30:49 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on March 07, 2018, 01:17:22 PM
Quote from: Gosox on March 05, 2018, 10:02:29 PM
So I indicated they'd lose in rounds 1 or 2

Let's assume you knew Whitman and Whitworth were the No. 1 and No. 2 ranked teams in D-III. You predicted Claremont would go on the road and lose to one of them. Wow, that's sure going out on a limb!

Please help me with my March Madness Final Four picks. Oh, I should pick all four No. 1 regional seeds? Great, thanks!

OxyBob

Ryan Scott actually did predict it. On Hoopsville. Said it on the Bracket Monday show that he had completed his initial tournament preview and felt CMS could get past both Whits this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on March 07, 2018, 02:46:25 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 07, 2018, 01:30:49 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on March 07, 2018, 01:17:22 PM
Quote from: Gosox on March 05, 2018, 10:02:29 PM
So I indicated they'd lose in rounds 1 or 2

Let's assume you knew Whitman and Whitworth were the No. 1 and No. 2 ranked teams in D-III. You predicted Claremont would go on the road and lose to one of them. Wow, that's sure going out on a limb!

Please help me with my March Madness Final Four picks. Oh, I should pick all four No. 1 regional seeds? Great, thanks!

OxyBob

Ryan Scott actually did predict it. On Hoopsville. Said it on the Bracket Monday show that he had completed his initial tournament preview and felt CMS could get past both Whits this year.

Interesting question is if they had played neutral courts, not back to back who wins?  I think CMS gets them both.  If they play back to back on Claremont's court, I think CMS gets both.  Even on the road, not back-to-back I think CMS gets both.

Only one of those options will ever happen in the tournament -- playing at Claremont, back-to-back -- which should incentivize Claremont to lead the charge on some better scheduling in the SCIAC.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 07, 2018, 03:04:02 PM
Quote from: WoostAr on March 07, 2018, 02:46:25 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 07, 2018, 01:30:49 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on March 07, 2018, 01:17:22 PM
Quote from: Gosox on March 05, 2018, 10:02:29 PM
So I indicated they'd lose in rounds 1 or 2

Let's assume you knew Whitman and Whitworth were the No. 1 and No. 2 ranked teams in D-III. You predicted Claremont would go on the road and lose to one of them. Wow, that's sure going out on a limb!

Please help me with my March Madness Final Four picks. Oh, I should pick all four No. 1 regional seeds? Great, thanks!

OxyBob

Ryan Scott actually did predict it. On Hoopsville. Said it on the Bracket Monday show that he had completed his initial tournament preview and felt CMS could get past both Whits this year.

Interesting question is if they had played neutral courts, not back to back who wins?  I think CMS gets them both.  If they play back to back on Claremont's court, I think CMS gets both.  Even on the road, not back-to-back I think CMS gets both.

Only one of those options will ever happen in the tournament -- playing at Claremont, back-to-back -- which should incentivize Claremont to lead the charge on some better scheduling in the SCIAC.

The scheduling isn't horrible, though it isn't great. I see Texas schools with far worse scheduling, honestly. The challenge for the SCIAC is to improve for sure the scheduling from top down, but I have seen that happening in recent years. Sadly, they seem to be slave to what schools are willing to come to them rather than travel themselves.

Also, a second SCIAC team being eligible (yes, scheduling is part of that) as an at-large could dramatically change the landscape of these conversations as well.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on March 07, 2018, 03:53:55 PM
Road games in the mid west are brutal.  That would help.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 07, 2018, 06:52:35 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 07, 2018, 01:30:49 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on March 07, 2018, 01:17:22 PM
Quote from: Gosox on March 05, 2018, 10:02:29 PM
So I indicated they'd lose in rounds 1 or 2

Let's assume you knew Whitman and Whitworth were the No. 1 and No. 2 ranked teams in D-III. You predicted Claremont would go on the road and lose to one of them. Wow, that's sure going out on a limb!

Please help me with my March Madness Final Four picks. Oh, I should pick all four No. 1 regional seeds? Great, thanks!

OxyBob

Ryan Scott actually did predict it. On Hoopsville. Said it on the Bracket Monday show that he had completed his initial tournament preview and felt CMS could get past both Whits this year.

Gordon strongly suggested I change it.  I had CMS advancing on my initial Tournament Preview.  It turns out we were both sort of right.  CMS did in fact lose, but picking them to win didn't turn out to be so far-fetched.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on March 07, 2018, 09:01:42 PM
Quote from: WoostAr on March 05, 2018, 08:06:01 PM
CMS (aside from being injured and losing early in the season) did themselves no favors by scheduling non counting games.  More to that point: Oxy and Chapman need to play real schedules so that the SCIAC's SOS doesn't suffer as a whole.

Oxy isn't going to change anything.

OxyBob
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CMSfan on March 08, 2018, 02:24:28 AM
It's been a few days and I still can't believe how close CMS came to knocking of #2 and #1 on consecutive nights. Too bad. The Stags represented well, but I guess that elusive trip to the Sweet 16 will have to wait. Hopefully they've got an awesome incoming class to replace help replace everything they're losing.

I'm curious to see where CMS ends up in the top 25...
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mike Rejniak on March 12, 2018, 11:33:15 AM
​Dear D3 Faithful ;D,
     I have read many of your posts throughout the years and even met some of you in person, but for those who I haven't met, let me introduce myself: my name is Michael Rejniak and I have spent over 14 years coaching Division 3 basketball and love what our division has done and continues to do for  the sport of basketball. One of the greatest things about Division 3 basketball is the brotherhood that we all have with one another (coaches and players alike). My wish is to showcase the talents of D3 on a national stage in The Basketball Tournament (TBT).  You may have heard me speak about this on the Hoopsville Marathon with Dave McHugh of D3hoops.com (at the 6:11 mark). The TBT is a national tournament that is televised in July/August on ESPN after the NBA season is over. My goal is to put forth an all-star D3 team (current players are ineligible) and have them compete in this tournament to take on Former D1 / semi-pro's to prove that D3 deserves the same respect as other NCAA divisions. The team is mostly complete with former student-athletes from all over the country competing. Once the roster is complete we will be sure to release it through d3hoops. Former Babson College National Champion Matthew Droney '17 will also be assisting me on this journey.

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While the end prize of this tournament is a monetary prize, being a D3-lifer, the goal is not the money (we all know that's not why we get into coaching), the goal is to bring an end to the stigma of Division 3 basketball, an awareness of how talented our student-athletes are and that we can compete (and win) against the best. We do need to raise funds for an entry fee, travel, meal and housing expenses for the athletes. In order to do this, we are conducting a crowd-funding campaign through GoFundMe to help make this a reality. These athletes need your support! Just think -- if every Division 3 school donated just $10, we will have raised over $4,000!!!! The link to the GoFundMe Page is below and please SPREAD THE WORD and email me with any questions/concerns at WeAreD3TBT@gmail.com. Thank you in advance for your support and Dave and I look forward to this "D3 Dream Team" taking the court this summer.-Mike Rejniak

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Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on March 13, 2018, 01:07:19 PM
Looks like d1 has-beens will get a shot at reliving their glory years by smashing d3 players in TBT this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 13, 2018, 04:37:59 PM
Quote from: WoostAr on March 13, 2018, 01:07:19 PM
Looks like d1 has-beens will get a shot at reliving their glory years by smashing d3 players in TBT this year.

I think you might be surprised. DIII guys have played in this tournament on different teams and done very well.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on March 31, 2018, 05:44:28 PM
All SCIAC

  I don;t think this was ever posted.
 
  http://www.thesciac.org/sports/mbkb/2017-18/releases/20180222hs6rym
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on November 07, 2018, 01:43:26 PM
Oxy got off to a good start and shook off the rust with a 106-55 exhibition win over Bethesda University, which is housed in a 2-story office building in Anaheim.

Next up for Oxy is an exhibition game against a real opponent -- Westmont College -- this Saturday at 7:00 p.m. at Oxy.

OxyBob
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on November 09, 2018, 01:49:48 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on November 07, 2018, 01:43:26 PM
...Bethesda University, which is housed in a 2-story office building in Anaheim.

Any word on the square footage??
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gosox on November 09, 2018, 02:20:47 PM
Use the elvators to save on wear and tear on legs! ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 10, 2018, 08:03:54 AM
Quote from: WoostAr on November 09, 2018, 01:49:48 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on November 07, 2018, 01:43:26 PM
...Bethesda University, which is housed in a 2-story office building in Anaheim.

Any word on the square footage??

What floor do they play on?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on November 10, 2018, 01:30:47 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on November 10, 2018, 08:03:54 AM
Quote from: WoostAr on November 09, 2018, 01:49:48 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on November 07, 2018, 01:43:26 PM
...Bethesda University, which is housed in a 2-story office building in Anaheim.

Any word on the square footage??

What floor do they play on?
;D ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on November 10, 2018, 11:52:54 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on November 07, 2018, 01:43:26 PM
Next up for Oxy is an exhibition game against a real opponent -- Westmont College -- this Saturday at 7:00 p.m. at Oxy.

Oxy 89 Westmont (NAIA I) 79

Nice!

OxyBob
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gosox on November 13, 2018, 11:29:34 AM
Well done...that is a good win! 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on November 13, 2018, 02:07:58 PM
Quote from: Gosox on November 13, 2018, 11:29:34 AM
Well done...that is a good win!

Anytime a SCIAC team beats a GSAC team it's a good win. Oxy played great. 4 players in double figures. Though it was an exhibition game, Westmont HC John Moore did not look happy.

After two exhibition wins, Oxy opens its regular season at Caltech this Friday at 7:00 p.m. CIT lost an exhibition game to NAIA Vanguard 74-68 and beat progressive insane asylum Oberlin 70-68.

OxyBob
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 13, 2018, 02:24:26 PM
What happened to Trevor Baker at Redlands. He only played a handful of games last year and was listed as a junior. I thought he would be back.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on November 13, 2018, 07:45:37 PM
Whittier gets a first place vote in the SCIAC preseason poll.

https://www.thesciac.org/sports/mbkb/2018-19/releases/20181107kvy3fv
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on November 14, 2018, 02:40:24 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on November 13, 2018, 02:07:58 PM
Quote from: Gosox on November 13, 2018, 11:29:34 AM
Well done...that is a good win!

Anytime a SCIAC team beats a GSAC team it's a good win. Oxy played great. 4 players in double figures. Though it was an exhibition game, Westmont HC John Moore did not look happy.

After two exhibition wins, Oxy opens its regular season at Caltech this Friday at 7:00 p.m. CIT lost an exhibition game to NAIA Vanguard 74-68 and beat progressive insane asylum Oberlin 70-68.

OxyBob

Definitely a good win for Oxy...Oberlin was a solid beat for Caltech -- Oberlin might not be the most talented team, but they are rugged and blue collar...usually good for a couple wins in a stacked NCAC -- lots of shot making on display by the beavers, defense was solid, offense a work in progress.  Maybe not Oberlin's A-game since they played La Verne the night before....Oxy will likely be more telling about how Caltech will stack up against the SCIAC this year.  One thing for sure: any injuries will be extra problematic this year for the Beavers as they only have 9 on the roster.

GoSox, what's happening with La Verne?  Couple BAD beats it looks like??
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on November 17, 2018, 05:23:47 PM
Quote from: WoostAr on November 14, 2018, 02:40:24 PM
Oxy will likely be more telling about how Caltech will stack up against the SCIAC this year.

Oxy 68 Caltech 59 Final

Oxy led from start to finish. Double-digit lead throughout. DeWitz 19/14, Yellin-Flaherty 19, Baines 18.

OxyBob
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: (509)Rat on November 17, 2018, 10:02:15 PM
Whittier looked good against Whitworth today. They cut Whitworth's 16 point halftime lead down to 10 pretty quick and kept it there the whole second half. The SCIAC is going to be a lot more interesting than the NWC this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gosox on November 20, 2018, 02:55:39 PM
Watched Oxy vs Clatech online...very solid performance by Oxy...Kaneshiro looked very solid bringing the ball up.  Watched him from the other coaching bench in high school..love that kids style of play!  Hard worker, aggressive and never lets up...only will be better as season continues...
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: (509)Rat on November 24, 2018, 12:57:46 PM
And CMS played Whitman tough last night. PP gets the Blues tonight. With Whitman's style I think how you match up with them is just as important as how talented you are. So comparing PP and CMS results against Whitman may not be very prognostic of how they'll fare in conference play. Gonna try and catch the PP v Whitman game tonight though, should be fun.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 25, 2018, 10:57:23 AM
Wow. I hope you watched it!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D O.C. on December 04, 2018, 02:37:01 AM
OB.... Any dual athletes on that team - like playing on the football team as well?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on December 11, 2018, 06:48:00 PM
Oxy is off to a good start.  They got their first conference win at La Verne on Dec. 5, beating the Leopards 77-73. Oxy had a comfortable 43-31 halftime lead, but ULV fought back and tied the game at 62 with 7 minutes left. The Tigers were 8-for-8 FTs in the last 4 minutes, and escaped with a road win.

Oxy (7-0, 1-0 SCIAC) plays next at home against Whittier (2-6, 0-1) this Sunday at 4:00 p.m.

OxyBob
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on December 11, 2018, 07:43:38 PM
Good for La Verne.  They are expected to be last in the SCIAC.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gosox on December 11, 2018, 09:58:49 PM
Oxy definitley looks good.  Played solid..Laverne made some young mistakes, which cost them a chance to win. Laverne is young and simply needs to gain experience...and there is only one way to do that.  Reed has some talent there that will take time to develop.  Oxy played much better the 2nd half.  Once #24 got some rythym going, he was solid around the bucket!  ULV frustrated him for most of the first half...... But as with all talented players, he made adjustments and found a way to get inside and get the foul line. Definitely a fun player to watch.  Has some real body control once he gets inside....if he starts getting the 3's to fall...look out...

Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 13, 2018, 04:28:42 PM
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Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on December 16, 2018, 09:00:57 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on December 11, 2018, 06:48:00 PM
Oxy (7-0, 1-0 SCIAC) plays next at home against Whittier (2-6, 0-1) this Sunday at 4:00 p.m.

Oxy 86 Whittier 72 Final

Easy win for Oxy. The Tigers led by 17 at halftime and by 23 with 9 minutes left.

Caleb Yellin-Flaherty 25-11, Austin DeWitz 19-10, Jacob Adler 18, Zach Baines 10-11.

Oxy (8-0, 2-0 SCIAC) plays next at home against Principia College (1-8) on Tuesday, December 18 at 7:00 p.m., and the Tigers play Pacific University (3-4) on Wednesday, December 19 at 7:00 p.m.

Whittier (2-7, 0-2 SCIAC) is home to Hanover College (6-3) on the 18th at 5:00 p.m.

OxyBob
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on December 19, 2018, 02:11:59 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on December 16, 2018, 09:00:57 PM
Oxy (8-0, 2-0 SCIAC) plays next at home against Principia College (1-8) on Tuesday, December 18 at 7:00 p.m.

Oxy 80 Principia 62 Final

Easy win for Oxy. The Tigers led 43-22 at halftime; largest lead was 25 with 17 minutes to go.

Zach Baines 29, Austin DeWitz 20, Jacob Adler 13-12.

Oxy (9-0, 2-0 SCIAC) is home tonight at 7:00 p.m. against Pacific University (4-4). The Boxers beat Redlands 98-93 this past Monday.

OxyBob
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on December 20, 2018, 01:40:01 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on December 19, 2018, 02:11:59 PM
Oxy (9-0, 2-0 SCIAC) is home tonight at 7:00 p.m. against Pacific University (4-4).

Oxy 112 Pacific 80 Final

Zach Baines set an Oxy school scoring record with 50 points. He made 22 of 26 shots and 6 of 8 FTs, plus a game-high 12 rebounds.

As for the game, Oxy rolled to its 10th straight win (12 straight overall counting 2 exhibition wins). The Tigers led 63-32 at halftime, and led by 39 with 10:30 to go. Oxy shot 77.6% from the floor on 45-for-58.

Zach Baines 50-12, Austin DeWitz 24,  Jonny Crosthwaite 13-10, Jacob Adler 9-6-8.

Next up for Oxy (10-0, 2-0 SCIAC) is UC Santa Cruz at home on Dec. 28 at 7:00 p.m.

OxyBob
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gosox on December 21, 2018, 10:57:12 AM
I have enjoyed seeing Oxy Bobs reports now since 2009...Happy to see his boys are having a year!  Enjoy my friend!  Hope you have some terrific Holidays as well!!!God Bless...
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on December 21, 2018, 01:45:36 PM
Quote from: Gosox on December 21, 2018, 10:57:12 AM
I have enjoyed seeing Oxy Bobs reports now since 2009...Happy to see his boys are having a year!  Enjoy my friend!  Hope you have some terrific Holidays as well!!!God Bless...

Thanks GS. I hope Rich Reed and ULV can get it going this season.

No shocker: Claremont and Pomona -- Scali and Kat -- are the teams to beat. Lots of depth.

FYI to SCIAC fans: Great opportunity to see high quality D-III teams in the Cal Lutheran Holiday Classic on Dec. 28-29. Joining CLU will be Whitman (ranked No. 4 in D3hoops Top 25), UW-Stevens Point (ranked No. 12), and Illinois Wesleyan (previously ranked No. 15). On Dec. 28, CLU plays UWSP and Whitman plays IWU. The next night CLU plays Whitman and UWSP plays IWU. Well worth a drive to Thousand Oaks.

OxyBob
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D O.C. on December 22, 2018, 01:21:36 AM
Sounds like fun.
If I only had a place to stay....
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: greg21grimm on December 23, 2018, 12:08:45 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 10, 2018, 01:38:24 PM
It usually takes more than half a season to figure out if a coach was the right or wrong decision. Let's see where things go further than two months into the season. This isn't professional sports. It isn't even high-end DI.
Well, I think we have our answer. 9-15 record last year (worst in 25 years) with 7 returners, 5 with starting experience. And now a 2-5 record to start this season. The next two games dont look to promising either.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on December 26, 2018, 04:13:37 PM
Quote from: greg21grimm on December 23, 2018, 12:08:45 PM
Well, I think we have our answer. 9-15 record last year (worst in 25 years) with 7 returners, 5 with starting experience. And now a 2-5 record to start this season. The next two games dont look to promising either.

Should have kept Geoff Dains and Bob Massell after RR retired.

OxyBob
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: greg21grimm on December 27, 2018, 11:24:38 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on December 26, 2018, 04:13:37 PM
Quote from: greg21grimm on December 23, 2018, 12:08:45 PM
Well, I think we have our answer. 9-15 record last year (worst in 25 years) with 7 returners, 5 with starting experience. And now a 2-5 record to start this season. The next two games dont look to promising either.

Should have kept Geoff Dains and Bob Massell after RR retired.

OxyBob

Massell recruited me, and they both coached me during my 4 years there @ CLU. Had a chance to stop by and watch them against Lewis and Clark and it was very disappointing. Really seems the direction of Kingsmen basketball is not a positive one.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gosox on December 28, 2018, 11:21:29 AM
Have to agree with Oxy Bob....they should have never let Dains and Rider get away...seems like it was a "Friend" hire there...but only an opinon...definitely gotten away from thier winning ways and develpment for sure though...have to agree...a once competitive program too...
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: greg21grimm on December 29, 2018, 03:05:33 PM
Quote from: Gosox on December 28, 2018, 11:21:29 AM
Have to agree with Oxy Bob....they should have never let Dains and Rider get away...seems like it was a "Friend" hire there...but only an opinon...definitely gotten away from thier winning ways and develpment for sure though...have to agree...a once competitive program too...

Not sure how it all played out, but having talked with several alums, everyone was blindsided. Will take in the game tonight against Whitman as I head south. Saw the score last night, and it looked like CLU was very overmatched. Interested to see Whitman's style as I have heard a lot about them.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: greg21grimm on December 30, 2018, 02:12:49 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 30, 2018, 02:15:46 AM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on December 30, 2018, 12:57:39 AMHuge win for Point tonight against a good IWU team out in California. I feel bad for the hosts. The Dawgs smoked Cal Lutheran last night and Whitman was up about 45-18 at intermission tonight. Ouch!

I don't feel sorry for Cal Lutheran at all. Nobody forced the CLU coach to send out those contracts. You let the big dogs on your porch, you can't complain about getting bitten.

Quote from: (509)Rat on December 30, 2018, 01:06:55 PM
Whitman did what Whitman does to overmatched opponents and dismantled CLU yesterday. They won by about 50. Forced over 30 turnovers.

I went to the CLU/Whitman game. Actually just the Whitman game, because CLU wasnt in the game. Left at halftime when it was 45-18. Several alumni/staff in attendance that are utterly embarrassed.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: (509)Rat on December 30, 2018, 04:50:30 PM
Yeah that's a bummer. I too dont feel bad for CLU (the team or program), but I do feel a little bad for those alumni/former players/fans who appear to have nothing to be excited about. I've said this for years, Whitman's style tends to exaggerate talent disparities against undisciplined/less talented teams. ie Whitman's pressure and pace will lead to a 50 point win where that same team may stay within 15-20 of Whitworth even in years when the Whits appear to be evenly matched. But I'm not sure even the worst NWC team this year will be held to 18 at half and end up losing by 50 with 30+ turnovers. That is brutal.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on December 31, 2018, 03:38:07 PM
Quote from: greg21grimm on December 30, 2018, 02:12:49 PM
I went to the CLU/Whitman game. Actually just the Whitman game, because CLU wasnt in the game. Left at halftime when it was 45-18. Several alumni/staff in attendance that are utterly embarrassed.

It's grim, says Grimm.

Meanwhile, Oxy improved to 11-0 as they slugged UC Santa Cruz 71-56. The Tigers shot 70% in the first half and led 52-23 at halftime.

Caleb Yellin-Flaherty 19, Zach Baines 16, Austin DeWitz 14,  Jonny Crosthwaite 11.

Edit: Oxy (11-0, 2-0 SCIAC) is next at Caltech (6-3, 0-0) on Jan. 5 at 4:30 p.m. home against Chapman (5-5, 1-0) on Jan. 2 at 7:00 p.m. CIT (6-3, 0-0) opens its SCIAC season on Jan. 2 at CLU (2-7, 0-1) at 7:00 p.m.

OxyBob
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: greg21grimm on January 01, 2019, 03:19:33 PM
Quote from: (509)Rat on December 30, 2018, 04:50:30 PM
Yeah that's a bummer. I too dont feel bad for CLU (the team or program), but I do feel a little bad for those alumni/former players/fans who appear to have nothing to be excited about. I've said this for years, Whitman's style tends to exaggerate talent disparities against undisciplined/less talented teams. ie Whitman's pressure and pace will lead to a 50 point win where that same team may stay within 15-20 of Whitworth even in years when the Whits appear to be evenly matched. But I'm not sure even the worst NWC team this year will be held to 18 at half and end up losing by 50 with 30+ turnovers. That is brutal.

Well, when the new coach took over at CLU he sent out a letter to all alumni stating his intentions of getting back to the NCAA tournament and winning a national title there. I think that was just window dressing to calm the uproar we alumni showed for our displeasure of Coach Dains not getting a fair shot. Looking at the scores against the likes of Whitman and Stevens Point (who CLU did beat when they were #3) there is a HUGE discrepancy. I have heard of taking one step back to eventually get two steps forward, but I think they have taken so many steps back that there will be no recovery.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 02, 2019, 03:30:11 PM
Quote from: greg21grimm on January 01, 2019, 03:19:33 PM
Stevens Point (who CLU did beat when they were #3)

I remember that game. UWSP had a big lead but CLU came back and took it to overtime. I believe Deshion Innis hit the winning basket in OT.

OxyBob
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: greg21grimm on January 02, 2019, 05:14:18 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 02, 2019, 03:30:11 PM
Quote from: greg21grimm on January 01, 2019, 03:19:33 PM
Stevens Point (who CLU did beat when they were #3)

I remember that game. UWSP had a big lead but CLU came back and took it to overtime. I believe Deshion Innis hit the winning basket in OT.

OxyBob

I was a freshmen on that team. Innis did hit the game winner, but he also hit a 27 foot jumper to send it into over OT.  UWSP did have a big lead, but it never hit a 50 or 40 or 30 or even a 20 pt lead that game.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on January 02, 2019, 05:38:38 PM
I remember when Mike Dunlap was their coach.  He is now at Loyola Marymount.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: socalcoach on January 02, 2019, 11:36:01 PM
I think Cal Lutheran looked at a program that has had very little success. 2 NCAA appearances in 22 years and only 3 SCIAC titles in 22 years and said we need to do something different to make the program better. That job is a complete rebuild and will take 4 years to get it to be respectable again.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 03, 2019, 01:14:43 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on December 31, 2018, 03:38:07 PM
Edit: Oxy (11-0, 2-0 SCIAC) is next at Caltech (6-3, 0-0) on Jan. 5 at 4:30 p.m. home against Chapman (5-5, 1-0) on Jan. 2 at 7:00 p.m.

Oxy 75 Chapman 63 Final

Oxy won again and improved to 12-0. The Tigers led 39-19 at halftime.

Austin DeWitz 24,  Caleb Yellin-Flaherty 17-13, Zach Baines 15, Jacob Adler 11.

Next up for Oxy (12-0, 3-0 SCIAC) is Caltech (6-4, 0-1) @ CIT this Saturday at 4:30 p.m.

SCIAC Standings: Oxy (12-0, 3-0), Pomona (10-1, 3-0), Redlands (6-5, 1-1), Chapman (5-6, 1-1), CLU (3-7, 1-1), Whittier (4-8, 1-2), Caltech (6-4, 0-1), Claremont (6-4, 0-1), La Verne (1-9, 0-2).

OxyBob
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: greg21grimm on January 04, 2019, 12:52:17 PM
Good to see CLU got back on track with their win over Cal Tech! Two more home games against Redlands and Pomona. They need to win the home games to have any chance at SCIAC tourney.


Quote from: socalcoach on January 02, 2019, 11:36:01 PM
I think Cal Lutheran looked at a program that has had very little success. 2 NCAA appearances in 22 years and only 3 SCIAC titles in 22 years and said we need to do something different to make the program better. That job is a complete rebuild and will take 4 years to get it to be respectable again.
Socalcoach, I could agree that CLU may not have been a "championship" team year in and year out, but to call it a "complete rebuild" and WAS not respectable, you are completely off base. Remember they did have 20 wins and ranked in the region. That was the top 11% (45/416) of all D3 programs by record. The SCIAC is much tougher than people give it credit. My Senior year, we were tied for 3rd in the SCIAC, and we beat 4 or 5 NCAA tourney teams during the year. Redlands (SCIAC champs), Chapman (only SCIAC loss), Luther, Concordia Wis, and Hobart.

But you are correct that the job is a complete rebuild..........now.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 04, 2019, 03:01:55 PM
Quote from: greg21grimm on January 04, 2019, 12:52:17 PM
Good to see CLU got back on track with their win over Cal Tech! Two more home games against Redlands and Pomona. They need to win the home games to have any chance at SCIAC tourney.


Quote from: socalcoach on January 02, 2019, 11:36:01 PM
I think Cal Lutheran looked at a program that has had very little success. 2 NCAA appearances in 22 years and only 3 SCIAC titles in 22 years and said we need to do something different to make the program better. That job is a complete rebuild and will take 4 years to get it to be respectable again.
Socalcoach, I could agree that CLU may not have been a "championship" team year in and year out, but to call it a "complete rebuild" and WAS not respectable, you are completely off base. Remember they did have 20 wins and ranked in the region. That was the top 11% (45/416) of all D3 programs by record. The SCIAC is much tougher than people give it credit. My Senior year, we were tied for 3rd in the SCIAC, and we beat 4 or 5 NCAA tourney teams during the year. Redlands (SCIAC champs), Chapman (only SCIAC loss), Luther, Concordia Wis, and Hobart.

Four. Hobart didn't make the field that season, although the Statesmen did finish with a fine 21-7 record in 2010-11 and they made the tourney the three seasons after that. But the four D3 tourney teams that Cal Lutheran beat -- three automatic-bid winners from lightly-regarded conferences plus Pool B entrant Chapman -- were cannon fodder in the 2011 tourney. The four teams played each other in the first round, with Chapman bouncing Redlands and Luther eliminating Concordia (WI), and then in the second round Whitworth knocked out Chapman by 14 and UWSP crunched Luther by 20.

Chapman did get the satisfaction of being ranked #16 in the final d3hoops.com poll that season, while Concordia (WI) (12 points) and Luther (1 point) were in the Others Receiving Votes category.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: socalcoach on January 04, 2019, 07:58:03 PM

Socalcoach, I could agree that CLU may not have been a "championship" team year in and year out, but to call it a "complete rebuild" and WAS not respectable, you are completely off base. Remember they did have 20 wins and ranked in the region. That was the top 11% (45/416) of all D3 programs by record. The SCIAC is much tougher than people give it credit. My Senior year, we were tied for 3rd in the SCIAC, and we beat 4 or 5 NCAA tourney teams during the year. Redlands (SCIAC champs), Chapman (only SCIAC loss), Luther, Concordia Wis, and Hobart.

But you are correct that the job is a complete rebuild..........now.
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If you look back what was left was mostly 1-2 year transfers not sustainable to build a long term winning program. Look at the top SCIAC teams they are built from strong recruiting classes that looks like had been missing for years. Going to need 2-3 strong freshman classes to get the program back on track and that is "rebuild". If 4 years from now they are losing by 40 to the stronger teams and aren't competing at the levels of the Pomona/CMS teams then I think you can have strong judgement. I think any alum should look at it and say that the previous 22 years were just "ok" and should want the program to be elite like Cal Lutheran seems to be in other sports.

But looked like a solid win over Cal Tech who is much improved this year overall!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 06, 2019, 01:41:15 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 03, 2019, 01:14:43 PM
Next up for Oxy (12-0, 3-0 SCIAC) is Caltech (6-4, 0-1) @ CIT this Saturday at 4:30 p.m.

Oxy 61 Caltech 49 Final

Oxy won again and improved its record to 13-0 and 4-0 in conference. Zach Baines 15, Jacob Adler 13,  Ryan Kaneshiro 10. Austin DeWitz had 6 points and 14 rebounds.

The Tigers (13-0, 4-0 SCIAC) have a serious challenge at home this Wednesday against Claremont (7-4, 1-1). Game time 7:00 p.m.

SCIAC scores from Saturday:

Whittier 80 Chapman 67
Claremont 73 Redlands 71 OT
Pomona 89 La Verne 46

OxyBob

Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on January 07, 2019, 07:58:23 PM
Latest D3 Top 25 has Pomona at 23 and Oxy five place from the top 25.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 10, 2019, 04:07:53 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on January 07, 2019, 07:58:23 PM
Latest D3 Top 25 has Pomona at 23 and Oxy five place from the top 25.

Pomona escaped defeat at Whittier. The Sagehens won 77-75 on Micah Elan's jumper with 3 seconds to go.

Oxy took its first loss of the season, falling to Claremont 63-60.

SCIAC scores:

Caltech 52 La Verne 51
Redlands 77 Cal Lutheran 65
Claremont 63 Oxy 60
Pomona-Pitzer 77 Whittier 75

Saturday's schedule:

Cal Lutheran (3-9, 1-3 SCIAC) @ Oxy (13-1, 4-1) 4:00 p.m.
Chapman (6-7, 2-2) @ Pomona (13-1, 5-0) 4:00 p.m.
Claremont (9-4, 3-1) @ La Verne (1-11, 0-4) 4:00 p.m.    
Caltech (7-6, 1-3) @ Whittier (5-9, 2-3) 7:00 p.m.

OxyBob
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on January 10, 2019, 09:39:49 PM
Great set of games last night in the SCIAC

CMS 63 Oxy 60
CMS knocked off Oxy on the road, handing Oxy their first loss of the year. The first half had about a 13-14 minute stretch with no dead balls and stoppages which was something I'm not sure I've ever seen. It was during that stretch that CMS took control of the game as Oxy's defensive intensity slowed and the Stags were able to dictate things on the offensive end with their motion. CMS went up by 11 going into the half on a 3 pointer by Miles President. In the 2nd half the teams went back and forth for the first few minutes and then the Oxy offense started to find its rhythm. They were able to put pressure on the CMS defense and were getting to the rim as Baines, Dewitz, Adler, and Kaneshiro all got going. The game was tied and JD Levine hit a 3 for the Stags that gave them the breathing room they needed. Segura and Sui both hit a pair of free throws at the end of the game as Oxy hit 2 3s with time running down to keep it interesting. In a well designed play Oxy had a look to send the game to OT, but came up short and took the loss. Both teams played well and it was a high quality defensive game. The coaches are obviously so familiar with each other and even closer with Mike Wells who basically grew up at Ducey Gym being the assistant at Oxy.

PP defeats Whittier in a great game. Whittier seems to always play Pomona tough and this was no different. Elan's finish at the end of the game sealed it and kept PP undefeated in conference.

Caltech hit 2 3s in the last minute of the game to come back from 5 down and beat ULV.

Should be a good slate on Saturday as well!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 13, 2019, 06:24:32 PM
Quote from: stag44 on January 10, 2019, 09:39:49 PM
Should be a good slate on Saturday as well!

Saturday's scores:

Oxy 84 Cal Lutheran 64
Pomona 71 Chapman 58
Claremont 60 La Verne 57
Whittier 83 Caltech 82

Monday's schedule, all games 7:00 p.m.:

Chapman (6-8, 2-3 SCIAC) @ La Verne (1-12, 0-5)
Cal Lutheran (3-10, 1-4) @ Claremont (10-4, 4-1)
Caltech (7-7, 1-4) @ Redlands (7-7, 2-3)
Oxy (14-1, 5-1) @ Pomona (14-1, 6-0)

OxyBob
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D O.C. on January 14, 2019, 06:16:22 PM
Hmmm.... does O.B. drive to Pomona in the rain on the 101>134>210 at rush hour?
No! He's there already in the library working!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on January 14, 2019, 07:32:31 PM
Pomona is 19th in this weeks poll.
Oxy still has a "others" mention but not many votes.  Maybe OB should just keep reading during tonight's game.

Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D O.C. on January 14, 2019, 08:43:38 PM
Cal Tech and Redlands have about the same record? Amazing
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: greg21grimm on January 15, 2019, 03:32:54 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 04, 2019, 03:01:55 PM
Quote from: greg21grimm on January 04, 2019, 12:52:17 PM
Quote from: socalcoach on January 02, 2019, 11:36:01 PM
I think Cal Lutheran looked at a program that has had very little success. 2 NCAA appearances in 22 years and only 3 SCIAC titles in 22 years and said we need to do something different to make the program better. That job is a complete rebuild and will take 4 years to get it to be respectable again.
Socalcoach, I could agree that CLU may not have been a "championship" team year in and year out, but to call it a "complete rebuild" and WAS not respectable, you are completely off base. Remember they did have 20 wins and ranked in the region. That was the top 11% (45/416) of all D3 programs by record. The SCIAC is much tougher than people give it credit. My Senior year, we were tied for 3rd in the SCIAC, and we beat 4 or 5 NCAA tourney teams during the year. Redlands (SCIAC champs), Chapman (only SCIAC loss), Luther, Concordia Wis, and Hobart.

Four. Hobart didn't make the field that season, although the Statesmen did finish with a fine 21-7 record in 2010-11 and they made the tourney the three seasons after that. But the four D3 tourney teams that Cal Lutheran beat -- three automatic-bid winners from lightly-regarded conferences plus Pool B entrant Chapman -- were cannon fodder in the 2011 tourney. The four teams played each other in the first round, with Chapman bouncing Redlands and Luther eliminating Concordia (WI), and then in the second round Whitworth knocked out Chapman by 14 and UWSP crunched Luther by 20.

Chapman did get the satisfaction of being ranked #16 in the final d3hoops.com poll that season, while Concordia (WI) (12 points) and Luther (1 point) were in the Others Receiving Votes category.

I am glad you can so easily diminish the success of a team making the national tournament. Especially when only 64 make it out of 400+ schools. And Hobart was the school I wasn't sure about (why I said 4 or 5). I knew they had a good team/record, but not sure of the tournament bid.

Quote from: socalcoach on January 04, 2019, 07:58:03 PM
If you look back what was left was mostly 1-2 year transfers not sustainable to build a long term winning program. Look at the top SCIAC teams they are built from strong recruiting classes that looks like had been missing for years. Going to need 2-3 strong freshman classes to get the program back on track and that is "rebuild". If 4 years from now they are losing by 40 to the stronger teams and aren't competing at the levels of the Pomona/CMS teams then I think you can have strong judgement. I think any alum should look at it and say that the previous 22 years were just "ok" and should want the program to be elite like Cal Lutheran seems to be in other sports.

But looked like a solid win over Cal Tech who is much improved this year overall!

I needed to do some research and really watch CLU this past week before responding.  I would agree that "STRONG' recruiting classes are needed to "sustain" a program. But looking at what was left it seemed like CLU had some really good players returning to build around. With that 2017-18 team, you had 4 starters (3 sophomores) coming back, 5 that had started, at some time, the year before. This year it looks like the coaching staff (YOU) brought in 12-14 new players, however, only 2 start, and those are the only new players that get ANY time. With CLU losing 50 ppg in graduation this year, interesting to see the sustainability for years to come. 3-11 is not a good sign.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 15, 2019, 04:44:34 PM
Quote from: greg21grimm on January 15, 2019, 03:32:54 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 04, 2019, 03:01:55 PM
Quote from: greg21grimm on January 04, 2019, 12:52:17 PM
Quote from: socalcoach on January 02, 2019, 11:36:01 PM
I think Cal Lutheran looked at a program that has had very little success. 2 NCAA appearances in 22 years and only 3 SCIAC titles in 22 years and said we need to do something different to make the program better. That job is a complete rebuild and will take 4 years to get it to be respectable again.
Socalcoach, I could agree that CLU may not have been a "championship" team year in and year out, but to call it a "complete rebuild" and WAS not respectable, you are completely off base. Remember they did have 20 wins and ranked in the region. That was the top 11% (45/416) of all D3 programs by record. The SCIAC is much tougher than people give it credit. My Senior year, we were tied for 3rd in the SCIAC, and we beat 4 or 5 NCAA tourney teams during the year. Redlands (SCIAC champs), Chapman (only SCIAC loss), Luther, Concordia Wis, and Hobart.

Four. Hobart didn't make the field that season, although the Statesmen did finish with a fine 21-7 record in 2010-11 and they made the tourney the three seasons after that. But the four D3 tourney teams that Cal Lutheran beat -- three automatic-bid winners from lightly-regarded conferences plus Pool B entrant Chapman -- were cannon fodder in the 2011 tourney. The four teams played each other in the first round, with Chapman bouncing Redlands and Luther eliminating Concordia (WI), and then in the second round Whitworth knocked out Chapman by 14 and UWSP crunched Luther by 20.

Chapman did get the satisfaction of being ranked #16 in the final d3hoops.com poll that season, while Concordia (WI) (12 points) and Luther (1 point) were in the Others Receiving Votes category.

I am glad you can so easily diminish the success of a team making the national tournament. Especially when only 64 make it out of 400+ schools. And Hobart was the school I wasn't sure about (why I said 4 or 5). I knew they had a good team/record, but not sure of the tournament bid.

I'm not "easily diminishing" anything. Any time that a program reaches the tourney it's a significant achievement, regardless of the program or the league that it's in. I'm simply offering perspective, given that you're making comparisons here ("top 11% of all D3 programs by record" and "we beat 4 or 5 NCAA tourney teams") that have a national basis. Yes, only 64 teams make the tourney out of 428, but those 64 are not necessarily peers in terms of ability. In fact, they're not the top 64 teams in the nation in terms of ability, because the NCAA doesn't design tournaments that way in any of its three divisions; it emphasizes equal accesss first and foremost, which is why every member league gets an automatic bid. And that's the way that it should be, really, since each school (and therefore each league) pays into the national organization, which in turn put on the national tournaments.

I knew that you weren't sure about Hobart, which is why I clarified that, although the Statesmen had a really good record that year, they didn't quite make the tourney.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 15, 2019, 06:15:56 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 13, 2019, 06:24:32 PM
Monday's schedule, all games 7:00 p.m.:

Chapman (6-8, 2-3 SCIAC) @ La Verne (1-12, 0-5)
Cal Lutheran (3-10, 1-4) @ Claremont (10-4, 4-1)
Caltech (7-7, 1-4) @ Redlands (7-7, 2-3)
Oxy (14-1, 5-1) @ Pomona (14-1, 6-0)

Chapman 71 La Verne 60
Claremont 75 Cal Lutheran 53
Redlands 63 Caltech 52
Pomona 70 Oxy 65

Zach Baines gave Oxy the lead 65-64 with 1:50 to go, but Adam Rees responded with a 3-ball, and Pomona went on to beat Oxy 70-65.
Chapman lead by double digits most of the way in its win over La Verne.
Claremont had no trouble with CLU.
Redlands took control of the game with about 7 minutes to go, and the Bulldogs pulled away from Caltech.

Wednesday's schedule, all games 7:00 p.m.:

Caltech (7-8, 1-5 SCIAC) @ Chapman (7-8, 3-3)
Cal Lutheran (3-11, 1-5) @ La Verne (1-13, 0-6)
Oxy (14-2, 5-2) @ Redlands (8-7, 3-3)
Whittier (6-9, 3-3) @ Claremont (11-4, 5-1)

Pomona (15-1, 7-0) is idle.

OxyBob
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D O.C. on January 17, 2019, 01:04:03 AM
So now Occidental is going to go into a tailspin?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 17, 2019, 03:05:49 PM
Quote from: D O.C. on January 17, 2019, 01:04:03 AM
So now Occidental is going to go into a tailspin?

Possibly. Last night Oxy lost to Redlands 101-97. The Tigers have lost 2 straight and 3 of its last 4. For UR, Joey Sponheim scored 40 and David Menary had 33. For Oxy, Zach Baines scored 34 and Austin DeWitz had 21.

Wednesday night's finals:

Redlands 101 Oxy 97
Caltech 63 Chapman 51 -- Caltech's first road win over Chapman since 1953.
Cal Lutheran 71 La Verne 62
Claremont 81 Whittier 55

Saturday's games:

Claremont (12-4, 6-1 SCIAC) @ Chapman (7-9, 3-4) 4:00 p.m.
Whittier (6-10, 3-4) @ Cal Lutheran (4-11, 2-5) 4:00 p.m.
Redlands (9-7, 4-3) @ La Verne (1-14, 0-7) 4:00 p.m.
Pomona (15-1, 7-0) @ Caltech (8-8, 2-5) 7:30 p.m.

Oxy (14-3, 5-3) is idle. The Tigers could use a day off.

OxyBob
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 21, 2019, 02:09:41 PM
Saturday's finals:

Claremont 66 Chapman 57
Cal Lutheran 71 Whittier 70
Kyle Ferreira's half-court shot at the buzzer wins it for CLU. http://www.clusports.com/sports/mbkb/2018-19/releases/20190119xt1pds
Redlands 83 La Verne 55
Pomona 93 Caltech 76

Wednesday's schedule, all games 7:00 p.m.:

Game of the Week! Claremont (13-4, 7-1) @ Pomona (16-1, 8-0)
Pomona beat Claremont 73-65 in their first matchup on December 6.
La Verne (1-15, 0-8 SCIAC) @ Oxy (14-3, 5-3)
Chapman (7-10, 3-5) @ Cal Lutheran (5-11, 3-5)
Redlands (10-7, 5-3) @ Whittier (6-11, 3-5)

Caltech (8-9, 2-6) is idle.

OxyBob
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on January 21, 2019, 04:31:01 PM
Oxy helped Pomona move from 19 to 16 on the D3 poll.
Oxy still has one point, meaning one voter named them as 25th.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on January 21, 2019, 10:25:14 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 21, 2019, 02:09:41 PM
Game of the Week! Claremont (13-4, 7-1) @ Pomona (16-1, 8-0)
Pomona beat Claremont 73-65 in their first matchup on December 6.

I'm so excited for the game on Wednesday! Pomona is playing at an extremely high level now on both sides of the ball, particularly on offense where they have so many weapons. I think that is what makes them really special this year - on any given night Rosenbaum, Elan, Preston or Koch could go for 20, not to mention their high level role players. Defensively they play to their scouts well and their length causes issues. They create

For the Stags - it's been all about the defense. This year's team reminds me of the old-school Scali teams that are physical and defensive minded. Personally, I thought it was going to be a down year and it's clear in the games they have lost, it was the offensive side of the equation that let them down. In the prior meeting vs PP they had a 4-5 minute drought that allowed Pomona to create a healthy distance that they held for the rest of the game. The same happened vs Chicago, Whitman and PLU in their other losses. They are fueled by their depth where it seems like Scali is comfortable going 10 deep and not have much of a drop off in overall production of the team.

Pomona hasn't lost since early December and the Stags haven't lost in 2019 and both teams have won in a variety of ways. It's also the first week of class back for the students, so I expect the gym to be electric on Wednesday night as students will be amped and ready. It should be a spectacular game and I think that the Rosenbaum / Segura matchup showcases 2 of the most talented players in the league. Katz and Scali have been going at it for 20 years and this might be one of the better regular season matchups in terms of how hot each team is going into the game!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 22, 2019, 01:18:58 AM
Quote from: Gray Fox on January 21, 2019, 04:31:01 PM
Oxy helped Pomona move from 19 to 16 on the D3 poll.
Oxy still has one point, meaning one voter named them as 25th.

I'd argue Oxy had nothing to do with this. It was more about the teams around Pomona and what they did (or didn't) do last week. There was a lot of movement in the poll on a lot of interesting results. If anything, the Oxy struggles right now aren't helping Pomona because I think voters are starting to think Oxy was more fluff than substance.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D O.C. on January 22, 2019, 01:43:33 AM
OxyBob! You can't take this! Fluff?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on January 22, 2019, 10:26:52 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 22, 2019, 01:18:58 AM
Quote from: Gray Fox on January 21, 2019, 04:31:01 PM
Oxy helped Pomona move from 19 to 16 on the D3 poll.
Oxy still has one point, meaning one voter named them as 25th.

I'd argue Oxy had nothing to do with this. It was more about the teams around Pomona and what they did (or didn't) do last week. There was a lot of movement in the poll on a lot of interesting results. If anything, the Oxy struggles right now aren't helping Pomona because I think voters are starting to think Oxy was more fluff than substance.
Thanks,
I was just trying to add a little levity to the board. ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 23, 2019, 08:47:52 PM
Quote from: stag44 on January 21, 2019, 10:25:14 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 21, 2019, 02:09:41 PM
Game of the Week! Claremont (13-4, 7-1) @ Pomona (16-1, 8-0)
Pomona beat Claremont 73-65 in their first matchup on December 6.

For the Stags - it's been all about the defense. This year's team reminds me of the old-school Scali teams that are physical and defensive minded.

You can always tell when Claremont is playing its game. It's a thing of beauty. Opponents can't get the ball into the block, they can't get an open shot from the wing or the short corners, they can't drive the baseline, and they can't get to the elbows. They end up passing the ball around the perimeter and finally fling something at the basket.

OxyBob
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on January 23, 2019, 11:55:44 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 23, 2019, 08:47:52 PM
Quote from: stag44 on January 21, 2019, 10:25:14 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 21, 2019, 02:09:41 PM
Game of the Week! Claremont (13-4, 7-1) @ Pomona (16-1, 8-0)
Pomona beat Claremont 73-65 in their first matchup on December 6.

For the Stags - it's been all about the defense. This year's team reminds me of the old-school Scali teams that are physical and defensive minded.

You can always tell when Claremont is playing its game. It's a thing of beauty. Opponents can't get the ball into the block, they can't get an open shot from the wing or the short corners, they can't drive the baseline, and they can't get to the elbows. They end up passing the ball around the perimeter and finally fling something at the basket.

OxyBob

Pomona played it's game tonight winning going away. It was tight at 16-14 Pomona early, but Pomona went on a quick 12-2 run that stretched the lead to 12 and they maintained that through the first half, going into the break up 14, 41-27. The Stags didnt go quietly though, and after an and 1 they had cut the lead down to 4. From there Pomona made some plays from an unexpected source James Kelbert and got some breathing room. After that Pomona was up double digits for most of the game.

The Stags weren't able to hit anything, shooting 33% from the field and 26% from 3. Credit the Pomona defense for forcing the stags into some tougher shots. The stags were also impatient, took some bad shots and played a little antsy when they started getting down.

Pomona is really tough this year - they have alot of weapons and I think could make some noise this year if they end up getting the SCIAC bid. I do think they will have to win the tournament though, and you never know what could happen during that weekend in Feb, you just need a team to get hot and that could change it all.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Teddy_Ballgame on January 24, 2019, 04:31:03 PM
Quote from: stag44 on January 23, 2019, 11:55:44 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 23, 2019, 08:47:52 PM
Quote from: stag44 on January 21, 2019, 10:25:14 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 21, 2019, 02:09:41 PM
Game of the Week! Claremont (13-4, 7-1) @ Pomona (16-1, 8-0)
Pomona beat Claremont 73-65 in their first matchup on December 6.

For the Stags - it's been all about the defense. This year's team reminds me of the old-school Scali teams that are physical and defensive minded.

You can always tell when Claremont is playing its game. It's a thing of beauty. Opponents can't get the ball into the block, they can't get an open shot from the wing or the short corners, they can't drive the baseline, and they can't get to the elbows. They end up passing the ball around the perimeter and finally fling something at the basket.

OxyBob

Pomona played it's game tonight winning going away. It was tight at 16-14 Pomona early, but Pomona went on a quick 12-2 run that stretched the lead to 12 and they maintained that through the first half, going into the break up 14, 41-27. The Stags didnt go quietly though, and after an and 1 they had cut the lead down to 4. From there Pomona made some plays from an unexpected source James Kelbert and got some breathing room. After that Pomona was up double digits for most of the game.

The Stags weren't able to hit anything, shooting 33% from the field and 26% from 3. Credit the Pomona defense for forcing the stags into some tougher shots. The stags were also impatient, took some bad shots and played a little antsy when they started getting down.

Pomona is really tough this year - they have alot of weapons and I think could make some noise this year if they end up getting the SCIAC bid. I do think they will have to win the tournament though, and you never know what could happen during that weekend in Feb, you just need a team to get hot and that could change it all.

I really wish one of the CMS-PP games had been on a Saturday this year. Incredible rivalry game between the cream of the SCIAC crop this season, but too tough to get out that far east during the week (and of course, I'll be in Claremont this weekend for the PP baseball alumni game, but oh well).

Appreciate your writeup. I assumed Pomona coasted in the second half based on the simple box score, but didn't realize it was down to a four point game at one point. Great job beating a very good team, especially when Rosenbaum had one of his worst nights of the year (statistically at least).

Do you really think Pomona will need to win the tournament to get a bid? With only one loss overall, and a win over Whitman, I think they're set up well. They have 7 conference games left, and they won't have to play CMS again. Of course, they still have Redlands and Oxy on the road. But even if they drop those they realistically could enter the tournament at around 22-3. There weren't very many four loss teams left at home last year (from what I can tell), but then again I have very little perspective on how the SCIAC is viewed nationally in hoops. Have we had 2 bids since Oxy and Pomona my freshman year (2008)?

Edit: Looks like Chapman got in in 2010 as a 2-loss team and 2011 as a 3-loss team despite losing in the conference tournament both years.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 24, 2019, 07:32:07 PM
Quote from: Teddy_Ballgame on January 24, 2019, 04:31:03 PM
Do you really think Pomona will need to win the tournament to get a bid? With only one loss overall, and a win over Whitman, I think they're set up well. They have 7 conference games left, and they won't have to play CMS again. Of course, they still have Redlands and Oxy on the road. But even if they drop those they realistically could enter the tournament at around 22-3. There weren't very many four loss teams left at home last year (from what I can tell), but then again I have very little perspective on how the SCIAC is viewed nationally in hoops. Have we had 2 bids since Oxy and Pomona my freshman year (2008)?

Edit: Looks like Chapman got in in 2010 as a 2-loss team and 2011 as a 3-loss team despite losing in the conference tournament both years.

The best place to track the potential for Pomona-Pitzer (or anybody else) to get into the tourney without winning the league's automatic bid is the Pool C board under the Multi-Regional Topics header. The resident numbers-crunchers on this site do a good job of tracking the possibilities. One of them is a math prof at the College of Wooster. He published a hypothetical ranking for each region nine days ago, and he had Pomona-Pitzer eighth in the West Region, largely because the Sagehens had a poor strength of schedule. Since P-P's SOS has improved since then with the wins over Oxy and CMS, the Sagehens might move up in his next hypothetical ranking.

Anyway, if you're really interested in seeing how P-P measures up to everybody else in terms of the selection criteria, that's the board to read.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WoostAr on January 25, 2019, 12:18:02 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 24, 2019, 07:32:07 PM
Quote from: Teddy_Ballgame on January 24, 2019, 04:31:03 PM
Do you really think Pomona will need to win the tournament to get a bid? With only one loss overall, and a win over Whitman, I think they're set up well. They have 7 conference games left, and they won't have to play CMS again. Of course, they still have Redlands and Oxy on the road. But even if they drop those they realistically could enter the tournament at around 22-3. There weren't very many four loss teams left at home last year (from what I can tell), but then again I have very little perspective on how the SCIAC is viewed nationally in hoops. Have we had 2 bids since Oxy and Pomona my freshman year (2008)?

Edit: Looks like Chapman got in in 2010 as a 2-loss team and 2011 as a 3-loss team despite losing in the conference tournament both years.

The best place to track the potential for Pomona-Pitzer (or anybody else) to get into the tourney without winning the league's automatic bid is the Pool C board under the Multi-Regional Topics header. The resident numbers-crunchers on this site do a good job of tracking the possibilities. One of them is a math prof at the College of Wooster. He published a hypothetical ranking for each region nine days ago, and he had Pomona-Pitzer eighth in the West Region, largely because the Sagehens had a poor strength of schedule. Since P-P's SOS has improved since then with the wins over Oxy and CMS, the Sagehens might move up in his next hypothetical ranking.

Anyway, if you're really interested in seeing how P-P measures up to everybody else in terms of the selection criteria, that's the board to read.

Probably not — oxy has a notoriously terrible sos because they play non counters in non-conference.

For the record, I am not the Wooster math major.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D O.C. on January 25, 2019, 01:32:08 AM
For the record, I am not either.    :D
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 25, 2019, 02:04:09 PM
Over on the Pool C board, fantastic50 has posted his current analysis of Pool C prospects, based upon an analysis of the primary criteria (D3 winning percentage, D3 strength of schedule, head-to-head results, results against regionally-ranked opponents -- I'm guessing that he's formulated likely rankings for each of the eight regions in order to be able to compile these -- and results versus common D3 opponents).

He's grouped them into Already in, barring a monumental collapse (five teams), In solid position (13 teams), Bubble-in (14 teams), Bubble out (16 teams), and Lots of work to do (16 teams). He has Pomona-Pitzer in next-to-last place in the Bubble-in category.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 26, 2019, 12:07:32 PM
Quote from: stag44 on January 23, 2019, 11:55:44 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 23, 2019, 08:47:52 PM
Quote from: stag44 on January 21, 2019, 10:25:14 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 21, 2019, 02:09:41 PM
Game of the Week! Claremont (13-4, 7-1) @ Pomona (16-1, 8-0)
Pomona beat Claremont 73-65 in their first matchup on December 6.

For the Stags - it's been all about the defense. This year's team reminds me of the old-school Scali teams that are physical and defensive minded.

You can always tell when Claremont is playing its game. It's a thing of beauty. Opponents can't get the ball into the block, they can't get an open shot from the wing or the short corners, they can't drive the baseline, and they can't get to the elbows. They end up passing the ball around the perimeter and finally fling something at the basket.

Pomona played it's game tonight winning going away.

Claremont is No. 1 in scoring defense in D-III (60.5 ppg), but they didn't get it done against Pomona, which has beaten the Stags twice. But there's always a good chance Claremont will get a third shot at the Sagehens in the conference tournament.

Quote from: WoostAr on January 25, 2019, 12:18:02 AM
Probably not — oxy has a notoriously terrible sos because they play non counters in non-conference.

Can't argue with that.

Massey Ratings, Strength of Schedule (428 teams ranked):

Cal Lutheran 40
Pomona 66
Redlands 76
La Verne 93
Claremont 105
Whittier 126
Caltech 144
Chapman 182
Oxy 288

Saturday's schedule:

UC Santa Cruz (11-10) @ Cal Lutheran (5-12, 3-6 SCIAC) 2:00 p.m.
Caltech (8-9, 2-6) @ Oxy (15-3, 6-3) 4:00 p.m.
La Verne (1-16, 0-9) @ Pomona (17-1, 9-0) 7:00 p.m.
Redlands (11-7, 6-3) @ Claremont (13-5, 7-2) 7:00 p.m.
Chapman (8-10, 4-5) @ Whittier (6-12, 3-6) 7:00 p.m.

OxyBob
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 26, 2019, 12:23:11 PM
FYI - Massey doesn't keep track of teams and games that "don't count." So, yes, their numbers also have Oxy with a bad strength of schedule, but the NCAA one will suffer differently because there are several games that won't count at all for the official SOS number.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 27, 2019, 10:12:08 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 26, 2019, 12:07:32 PM
Saturday's schedule:

UC Santa Cruz (11-10) @ Cal Lutheran (5-12, 3-6 SCIAC) 2:00 p.m.
Caltech (8-9, 2-6) @ Oxy (15-3, 6-3) 4:00 p.m.
La Verne (1-16, 0-9) @ Pomona (17-1, 9-0) 7:00 p.m.
Redlands (11-7, 6-3) @ Claremont (13-5, 7-2) 7:00 p.m.
Chapman (8-10, 4-5) @ Whittier (6-12, 3-6) 7:00 p.m.


Scores:

UC Santa Cruz 81 Cal Lutheran 67
Oxy 72 Caltech 62
Pomona 100 La Verne 61
Claremont 81 Redlands 70
Whittier 78 Chapman 69

Wednesday's schedule, all games 7:00 p.m.:

Whittier (7-12, 4-6 SCIAC) @ La Verne (1-17, 0-10)
No. 16 No. 15 Pomona (18-1, 10-0) @ Redlands (11-8, 6-4)
Cal Lutheran (5-13, 3-6) @ Caltech (8-10, 2-7)
Oxy (16-3, 7-3) @ Chapman (8-11, 4-6)

Claremont (14-5, 8-2) is idle.

OxyBob
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CMSfan on January 28, 2019, 03:05:26 AM
Pomona looks formidable this year. I'd love CMS to find a way to win the SCIAC tournament, but assuming Pomona makes the tournament they could make some noise. I'd take them over Whitworth for sure. Whitworth's top few guys are more talented, but Pomona is more disciplined, deeper, and not as prone to lapses.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gosox on January 28, 2019, 08:56:26 AM
Pomonma has length...and lots of it...Will be interesting 2/16, after a close 5 point loss when they first met...I like Oxy's ability to work the ball in the paint...but would like to see the adjustments they will have to make to counter the length of the Sagehens...and after seeing them already once...should be a fun game...CMS didn't seem to make the right adjustments as they took a little bit larger point loss...so I am curious to see if PP continues there dominance...which do not see why not, but, Oxy has the ability to bother you , so will be interesting to watch...bottom line..all 3 solid teams...
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: greg21grimm on January 28, 2019, 01:42:37 PM
I'd be interested to see how the CLU and CalTech game develops. I think the Beavers are way past the days of having media show up on the possibility of them getting a win against a SCIAC opponent, like they did my Senior year. Obviously the coach has done an outstanding job of changing the culture there and making them very competitive in the SCIAC, but this will be a crucial game for both CLU and CalTech. This game could make them a middle third vs a bottom third team in league. May not sound like much now, but at the end of the season, as a player, the confidence level is much different when preparing for the next season.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on January 28, 2019, 04:42:50 PM
Pomona has moved up a notch to 15th on the D3 poll with 288 points.
Oxy moved from one voting point to 3.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 30, 2019, 01:45:27 PM
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Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Teddy_Ballgame on January 31, 2019, 01:30:56 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 24, 2019, 07:32:07 PM
Quote from: Teddy_Ballgame on January 24, 2019, 04:31:03 PM
Do you really think Pomona will need to win the tournament to get a bid? With only one loss overall, and a win over Whitman, I think they're set up well. They have 7 conference games left, and they won't have to play CMS again. Of course, they still have Redlands and Oxy on the road. But even if they drop those they realistically could enter the tournament at around 22-3. There weren't very many four loss teams left at home last year (from what I can tell), but then again I have very little perspective on how the SCIAC is viewed nationally in hoops. Have we had 2 bids since Oxy and Pomona my freshman year (2008)?

Edit: Looks like Chapman got in in 2010 as a 2-loss team and 2011 as a 3-loss team despite losing in the conference tournament both years.

The best place to track the potential for Pomona-Pitzer (or anybody else) to get into the tourney without winning the league's automatic bid is the Pool C board under the Multi-Regional Topics header. The resident numbers-crunchers on this site do a good job of tracking the possibilities. One of them is a math prof at the College of Wooster. He published a hypothetical ranking for each region nine days ago, and he had Pomona-Pitzer eighth in the West Region, largely because the Sagehens had a poor strength of schedule. Since P-P's SOS has improved since then with the wins over Oxy and CMS, the Sagehens might move up in his next hypothetical ranking.

Anyway, if you're really interested in seeing how P-P measures up to everybody else in terms of the selection criteria, that's the board to read.

Thanks a ton for this! Checking it out now.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 31, 2019, 02:53:20 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 27, 2019, 10:12:08 AM
Wednesday's schedule, all games 7:00 p.m.:

Whittier (7-12, 4-6 SCIAC) @ La Verne (1-17, 0-10)
No. 16 No. 15 Pomona (18-1, 10-0) @ Redlands (11-8, 6-4)
Cal Lutheran (5-13, 3-6) @ Caltech (8-10, 2-7)
Oxy (16-3, 7-3) @ Chapman (8-11, 4-6)

Claremont (14-5, 8-2) is idle.

Scores:

Whittier 88 La Verne 76
No. 15 Pomona-Pitzer 81 Redlands 68
Cal Lutheran 95 Caltech 74
Oxy 59 Chapman 46

Saturday's schedule:

No. 15 Pomona (19-1, 11-0 SCIAC) @ Chapman (8-12, 4-7) 4:00 PM    
Whittier (8-12, 5-6) @ Caltech (8-11, 2-8) 4:30 PM    
La Verne (1-18, 0-11) @ Claremont (14-5, 8-2) 7:00 PM    
Oxy (17-3, 8-3) @ Cal Lutheran (6-13, 4-6) 7:00 PM

Redlands (11-9, 6-5) is idle.

OxyBob
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 03, 2019, 03:46:39 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 31, 2019, 02:53:20 PM
Saturday's schedule:

No. 15 Pomona (19-1, 11-0 SCIAC) @ Chapman (8-12, 4-7) 4:00 PM    
Whittier (8-12, 5-6) @ Caltech (8-11, 2-8) 4:30 PM    
La Verne (1-18, 0-11) @ Claremont (14-5, 8-2) 7:00 PM    
Oxy (17-3, 8-3) @ Cal Lutheran (6-13, 4-6) 7:00 PM

Redlands (11-9, 6-5) is idle.

Scores:

No. 15 Pomona 89 Chapman 69 -- CU's 14-point first half lead erased, Pomona wins easily.
Caltech 92 Whittier 87 -- CIT looks for conference sweep of Chapman on Tuesday.
Oxy 70 Cal Lutheran 67 -- Jacob Adler's 3-pointer with 4 seconds left gives Oxy the win.
La Verne @ Claremont  Postponed -- "The Claremont-Mudd-Scripps women's and men's basketball doubleheader with La Verne on Saturday, Feb. 2 has been postponed due to facility conditions. The games will be rescheduled at a mutually agreed upon date to be determined."

Tuesday's schedule:

Chapman (8-13, 4-8 SCIAC) @ Caltech (9-11, 3-8) 7:00 PM

Wednesday's schedule:

Redlands (11-9, 6-5) @ Oxy (18-3, 9-3) 7:00 PM   
La Verne (1-18, 0-11) @ Cal Lutheran (6-14, 4-7) 7:00 PM   
Claremont (14-5, 8-2) @ Whittier (8-13, 5-7) 7:00 PM   

No. 15 Pomona No. 12 Pomona (20-1, 12-0) is idle.

OxyBob
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on February 04, 2019, 05:19:00 PM
YTD stats. 

https://www.thesciac.org/sports/mbkb/2018-19/teams?sort=&r=1&pos=off
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 04, 2019, 09:46:25 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on January 28, 2019, 04:42:50 PM
Pomona has moved up a notch to 15th on the D3 poll with 288 points.
Oxy moved from one voting point to 3.

Latest poll through games of February 3:

Pomona is ranked No. 12.
Oxy has 9 "Other Receiving Votes."

OxyBob
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on February 04, 2019, 10:29:26 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 04, 2019, 09:46:25 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on January 28, 2019, 04:42:50 PM
Pomona has moved up a notch to 15th on the D3 poll with 288 points.
Oxy moved from one voting point to 3.

Latest poll through games of February 3:

Pomona is ranked No. 12.
Oxy has 9 "Other Receiving Votes."

OxyBob
Pomona leads SCIAC in all categories.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 06, 2019, 04:20:18 PM
Here are the first rankings for the men this season: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2019/02/men-regional-rankings-first
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 07, 2019, 02:07:47 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 03, 2019, 03:46:39 PM

Tuesday's schedule:

Chapman (8-13, 4-8 SCIAC) @ Caltech (9-11, 3-8) 7:00 PM

Wednesday's schedule:

Redlands (11-9, 6-5) @ Oxy (18-3, 9-3) 7:00 PM   
La Verne (1-18, 0-11) @ Cal Lutheran (6-14, 4-7) 7:00 PM   
Claremont (14-5, 8-2) @ Whittier (8-13, 5-7) 7:00 PM   

No. 15 Pomona No. 12 Pomona (20-1, 12-0) is idle.


Scores:

Chapman 53 Caltech 48
Oxy 71 Redlands 64
Cal Lutheran 89 La Verne 53
Whittier 76 Claremont 73

Saturday's schedule:

UC Santa Cruz (13-11) @ La Verne (1-19, 0-12 SCIAC) 3:00 PM    
Oxy (19-3, 10-3) @ Whittier (9-13, 6-7) 7:00 PM    
Cal Lutheran (7-14, 5-7) @ No. 12 Pomona (20-1, 12-0) 7:00 PM
Chapman (9-13, 5-8) @ Redlands (11-10, 6-6) 7:00 PM    
Caltech (9-12, 3-9) @ Claremont (14-6, 8-3)

OxyBob
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on February 08, 2019, 02:25:41 PM
Coming into the home stretch it's time to focus in on what the playoff is going to look like.

Pomona is in for sure and almost surely the 1 seed
Oxy is also almost a lock to be in and either going to be a 2 or 3 seed
CMS is likely in as well and a 2 or 3 seed, though they do have 5 games in 11 days to close out the season

La Verne is out and Cal Tech is likely out.

That leaves Redlands, Whittier, Chapman and CLU fighting for the 4th playoff spot with Redlands in the driver's seat right now, but it's wide open.

Pomona is clearly the best team in conference this year, but if they were to lose in the conference tourney it will be very interesting to see how the committee handles the in the at-large pool - right now from all the data it looks like they would likely get in - then, if one the SCIAC teams puts in to host, it will be interesting to see how the potential flight situation plays out - it would be contingent on how Whitworth plays out the rest of their year and if there was 2 NWC and 2 SCIAC teams in how they would handle potential flights.

This is still all very hypothetical though and would require alot of things to happen including a pretty large upset in the SCIAC
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 08, 2019, 03:07:22 PM
Quote from: stag44 on February 08, 2019, 02:25:41 PM
Oxy is also almost a lock to be in and either going to be a 2 or 3 seed

Oxy clinched a playoff spot and is playing for seeding. The Tigers have an important game this Saturday against Whittier. A win for Oxy may give them a leg up on Claremont in the final seeding.

Oxy still has a lot of work to do. In addition to Whittier, Oxy has to play at Claremont in Roberts Pavillion aka the Taj Mahal of Doom (Claremont's former home court, Ducey Gym aka the Temple of Doom, is no more), and then finish at home with Pomona.

OxyBob

Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: greg21grimm on February 08, 2019, 03:58:37 PM
Quote from: stag44 on February 08, 2019, 02:25:41 PM
Coming into the home stretch it's time to focus in on what the playoff is going to look like.

Pomona is in for sure and almost surely the 1 seed
Oxy is also almost a lock to be in and either going to be a 2 or 3 seed
CMS is likely in as well and a 2 or 3 seed, though they do have 5 games in 11 days to close out the season

That leaves Redlands, Whittier, Chapman and CLU fighting for the 4th playoff spot with Redlands in the driver's seat right now, but it's wide open.

This is still all very hypothetical though and would require a lot of things to happen including a pretty large upset in the SCIAC

CLU has their hands full. They still need to play their 4 remaining games @Redlands, @Pomona, home vs. CMS and @Whittier.  Where Redlands has 3 of 4 games at home against the bottom teams. Interesting to say the least. Let's see what CLU is made of.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 10, 2019, 11:23:32 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 07, 2019, 02:07:47 PM

Saturday's schedule:

UC Santa Cruz (13-11) @ La Verne (1-19, 0-12 SCIAC) 3:00 PM    
Oxy (19-3, 10-3) @ Whittier (9-13, 6-7) 7:00 PM    
Cal Lutheran (7-14, 5-7) @ No. 12 Pomona (20-1, 12-0) 7:00 PM
Chapman (9-13, 5-8) @ Redlands (11-10, 6-6) 7:00 PM    
Caltech (9-12, 3-9) @ Claremont (14-6, 8-3)


Scores:

UC Santa Cruz 73 La Verne 63 --  1-point game with 10 minutes to go, but UCSC pulled away for win.
Oxy 86 Whittier 68 -- 15 points and 21 rebounds for Austin DeWitz, all 5 Oxy starters in double figures.
Pomona 78 Cal Lutheran 61 -- Pomona on cruise control in easy win, 17 straight wins for Sagehens.
Redlands 97 Chapman 96 3OT -- David Menary's jumper with 4 seconds to go in 3rd OT wins it.
Claremont 85 Caltech 69 -- Claremont turns on its defense in 2nd half and wins going away.

Monday's game:

La Verne (1-20, 0-12 SCIAC) @ Claremont (15-6, 9-3) 8:00 pm -- Rescheduled from 2/2

Wednesday's schedule, all games 7:00 pm:

Cal Lutheran (7-15, 5-8) @ Redlands (12-10, 7-6)
Caltech (9-13, 3-10) @ La Verne
Oxy (20-3, 11-3) @ Claremont   
Whittier (9-14, 6-8) @ Pomona (21-1, 13-0)

Chapman (9-14, 5-9) is idle.

Quote from: stag44 on February 08, 2019, 02:25:41 PM
Coming into the home stretch it's time to focus in on what the playoff is going to look like.

Pomona is in for sure and almost surely the 1 seed
Oxy is also almost a lock to be in and either going to be a 2 or 3 seed
CMS is likely in as well and a 2 or 3 seed, though they do have 5 games in 11 days to close out the season

That leaves Redlands, Whittier, Chapman and CLU fighting for the 4th playoff spot with Redlands in the driver's seat right now, but it's wide open.

Pomona clinched No. 1 seed.
Winner of Oxy-Claremont game likely will be No. 2 seed, loser No. 3.
Assuming Pomona beats Whittier, Redlands win over CLU will clinch No. 4 seed.

Quote from: greg21grimm on February 08, 2019, 03:58:37 PM
Let's see what CLU is made of.

Talc?

OxyBob
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: greg21grimm on February 10, 2019, 06:54:08 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 10, 2019, 11:23:32 AM
Quote from: greg21grimm on February 08, 2019, 03:58:37 PM
Let's see what CLU is made of.

Talc?

OxyBob

Talc maybe correct. Had a chance to watch the 1st half of the PP/CLU game and I have never seen CLU so overmatched in size and skill within the SCIAC. PP is just long at all spots. The only players that CLU could use to match, on both ends, were Cole and Ferreria.  The two freshmen starters just cant handle a seasoned PP team like that.  @Redlands is always a tough game, and the Bulldogs are always a physical team, especially in the post. The guards better be ready as they will get posted up as well.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 11, 2019, 12:34:20 PM
Pomona moves up to No. 9 in D3hoops.com men's Top 25.

https://www.d3hoops.com/top25/men/2018-19/week10

OxyBob
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on February 11, 2019, 12:49:07 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 11, 2019, 12:34:20 PM
Pomona moves up to No. 9 in D3hoops.com men's Top 25.

https://www.d3hoops.com/top25/men/2018-19/week10

OxyBob
Oxy has 21 "Others receiving votes"

That is the highest Pomona has ever been on the D3 poll.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 12, 2019, 07:06:40 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 10, 2019, 11:23:32 AM
Monday's game:
La Verne (1-20, 0-12 SCIAC) @ Claremont (15-6, 9-3) 8:00 pm -- Rescheduled from 2/2

Claremont 73 La Verne 49 Final

Wednesday's schedule, all games 7:00 pm:

Cal Lutheran (7-15, 5-8 SCIAC) @ Redlands (12-10, 7-6)
Caltech (9-13, 3-10) @ La Verne (1-21, 0-13)
Oxy (20-3, 11-3) @ Claremont (16-6, 10-3)
Whittier (9-14, 6-8) @ Pomona (21-1, 13-0)

Chapman (9-14, 5-9) is idle.

OxyBob
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 13, 2019, 03:27:55 PM
The second week Regional Rankings have been released: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2019/02/men-regional-rankings-second
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: greg21grimm on February 14, 2019, 12:15:00 AM

Quote from: greg21grimm on February 10, 2019, 06:54:08 PM
Had a chance to watch the 1st half of the PP/CLU game and I have never seen CLU so overmatched in size and skill within the SCIAC.   @Redlands is always a tough game, and the Bulldogs are always a physical team, especially in the post. The guards better be ready as they will get posted up as well.

Well, I take that back. I have seen it twice now. That was a dismantling by Redlands over CLU.

The head coach at CLU might want to rethink his quotes........

http://www.clusports.com/sports/mbkb/2018-19/releases/20190213pwbykk (http://www.clusports.com/sports/mbkb/2018-19/releases/20190213pwbykk)

"What I am impressed with most with both Kyle and Austin is that they have accepted every single challenge they have had set in front of them," said Fusina. "They compete every day and make the people around them better. I believe our program is in a far better place now than it was when I got here. We have a plan that will allow us to compete and sustain that competitiveness on a yearly basis. Kyle and Austin have helped establish this."

20 wins in 2016-17, only 16 wins from 2017-19.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 14, 2019, 04:03:45 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 12, 2019, 07:06:40 AM
Wednesday's schedule, all games 7:00 pm:

Cal Lutheran (7-15, 5-8 SCIAC) @ Redlands (12-10, 7-6)
Caltech (9-13, 3-10) @ La Verne (1-21, 0-13)
Oxy (20-3, 11-3) @ Claremont (16-6, 10-3)
Whittier (9-14, 6-8) @ Pomona (21-1, 13-0)

Chapman (9-14, 5-9) is idle.

Scores:

Redlands 96 Cal Lutheran 74
Caltech 59 La Verne 46
Claremont 65 Oxy 57
Pomona 94 Whittier 71

Saturday's schedule:

Pomona (22-1, 14-0 SCIAC) @ Oxy (20-4, 11-4) 4:00 PM
Claremont (17-6, 11-3) @ Cal Lutheran (7-16, 5-9) 7:00 PM    
Redlands (13-10, 8-6) @ Caltech (10-13, 4-10) 7:30 PM
La Verne (1-22, 0-14) @ Chapman (9-14, 5-9) 4:00 PM

Whittier (9-15, 6-9) is idle.

Conference tournament seedings as of today: 1. Pomona, 2. Claremont, 3. Oxy, 4. Redlands. Oxy has a small chance of being the No. 2 seed, but for that to happen the Tigers have to beat Pomona, and Claremont has to lose to CLU and Chapman. Unlikely scenario.

OxyBob
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 16, 2019, 08:46:19 PM
Oxy 64 No. 9 Pomona 63 Final

Oxy: Zach Baines 21, Jacob Adler 13, Ryan Kaneshiro 10, Austin DeWitz 13 rebs
Pomona: Daniel Rosenbaum 23, Corbin Koch 18, Micah Elan 11

Oxy completes its regular season 21-4, 12-4 SCIAC. Pomona is 22-2, 14-1.

The Tigers are still the only team to have an undefeated conference season in SCIAC history. Nice!

Next up for Oxy is Claremont in the SCIAC tournament semifinals next Friday.

Other SCIAC scores:

Redlands 62 Caltech 51
Claremont 84 Cal Lutheran 46
Chapman 89 La Verne 53

Tuesday's schedule, all games 7:00 PM:

Cal Lutheran (7-17, 5-10 SCIAC) @ Whittier (9-15, 6-9)
Caltech (10-14, 4-11) @ Pomona (22-2, 14-1)
Chapman (10-14, 6-9) @ Claremont (18-6, 12-3)
La Verne (1-23, 0-15) @ Redlands (14-10, 9-6)

OxyBob
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D O.C. on February 16, 2019, 10:02:11 PM
OxyBob is,indeed, one happy camper   :o
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on February 17, 2019, 02:45:18 PM
From D3Hoops

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Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 17, 2019, 05:06:12 PM
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Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 18, 2019, 04:27:44 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 17, 2019, 05:06:12 PM
Guests Schedule (order subject to change):

- Jonathan Crosthwaite, Occidental men's junior


Go to 42:44 for interview with Jonny Crosthwaite.

https://soundcloud.com/hoopsville

OxyBob
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on February 18, 2019, 04:52:21 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 18, 2019, 04:27:44 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 17, 2019, 05:06:12 PM
Guests Schedule (order subject to change):

- Jonathan Crosthwaite, Occidental men's junior


Go to 42:44 for interview with Jonny Crosthwaite.

https://soundcloud.com/hoopsville

OxyBob
Great interview.  He started at Chapman and then left for three years to work and travel the world.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 18, 2019, 04:52:51 PM
It was great to chat with him. Wonderful man. Will look forward to watching his senior campaign even more.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CMSfan on February 19, 2019, 02:33:16 AM
Awesome interview!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: greg21grimm on February 19, 2019, 02:27:48 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 16, 2019, 08:46:19 PM
Other SCIAC scores:

Redlands 62 Caltech 51
Claremont 84 Cal Lutheran 46
Chapman 89 La Verne 53

OxyBob

Quote from: socalcoach on January 04, 2019, 07:58:03 PM
If 4 years from now they are losing by 40 to the stronger teams and aren't competing at the levels of the Pomona/CMS teams then I think you can have strong judgement. I think any alum should look at it and say that the previous 22 years were just "ok" and should want the program to be elite like Cal Lutheran seems to be in other sports.

I would think that after 50 games, seeing the SCIAC for 2 years, and on Senior night, the competition would be closer.  I dont think 4 years is needed (to not lose by 38 pts), especially when you have 2 really good players in Cole and Ferreira.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 20, 2019, 03:20:40 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 16, 2019, 08:46:19 PM
Tuesday's schedule, all games 7:00 PM:

Cal Lutheran (7-17, 5-10 SCIAC) @ Whittier (9-15, 6-9)
Caltech (10-14, 4-11) @ Pomona (22-2, 14-1)
Chapman (10-14, 6-9) @ Claremont (18-6, 12-3)
La Verne (1-23, 0-15) @ Redlands (14-10, 9-6)


Final games of the conference season.

Whittier 93 Cal Lutheran 66 -- No mercy by Whittier in win over CLU.
Pomona 90 Caltech 67 -- Caltech hangs in there but Pomona pulls away with 10 minutes to go.
Claremont 62 Chapman 45 -- Yet another superior defensive effort by Claremont.
Redlands 72 La Verne 56 -- Redlands led by 22 at halftime and cruised. La Verne finishes 0-16 in SCIAC. Ouch.

SCIAC Conference Tournament Semifinals, Friday, February 22, 7:00 p.m. Seeding: 1 Pomona, 2 Claremont, 3 Oxy, 4 Redlands.

Redlands (15-10, 10-6 SCIAC) @ Pomona (23-2, 15-1)
Oxy (21-4, 12-4) @ Claremont (19-6, 13-3)

Winners play in final Saturday night at highest remaining seed.

OxyBob
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 20, 2019, 03:42:20 PM
The third public NCAA Division III regional rankings are out: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2019/02/men-regional-rankings-third
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on February 20, 2019, 04:14:45 PM
Pomona has fallen to number 14 in the D3 Poll.
Oxy has dropped a couple of votes to 19.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: greg21grimm on February 20, 2019, 05:26:30 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 20, 2019, 03:20:40 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 16, 2019, 08:46:19 PM
Cal Lutheran (7-17, 5-10 SCIAC) @ Whittier (9-15, 6-9)
Final games of the conference season.

Whittier 93 Cal Lutheran 66 -- No mercy by Whittier in win over CLU.

OxyBob
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AlltheKINGSmen99 on February 21, 2019, 07:22:50 PM
First time poster.
Longtime lurker.
CLU grad of 99.

The current state of the program is embarrassing, no doubt about it.
What I don't understand is the romanticizing of the Rider era. 20 years and 2 tournaments? They were so consistently mediocre with some of the best talent in the league it was unreal. Dunlap was the last time the program thrived at any kind of national level. They 100% made the wrong hire but would keeping Rider's assistant have been any different? Maybe a few games here and there but they wouldn't be in the conference tournament with him either.

It amazes me that CMS and PP are able to compete and stay at the top of the league every year with their academic standards. Puzzles me why CLU and Redlands aren't better with much lower academic standards.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 22, 2019, 02:02:39 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 20, 2019, 03:20:40 PM
SCIAC Conference Tournament Semifinals, Friday, February 22, 7:00 p.m. Seeding: 1 Pomona, 2 Claremont, 3 Oxy, 4 Redlands.

Redlands (15-10, 10-6 SCIAC) @ Pomona (23-2, 15-1)
Oxy (21-4, 12-4) @ Claremont (19-6, 13-3)

Winners play in final Saturday night at highest remaining seed.


Redlands has a very, very tough assignment. Pomona has been great all year. The Sagehens are ranked No. 14 in the D3hoops.com men's Top 25. They are the only team to have beaten No. 2 Whitman (25-1). Pomona scores 83 ppg and gives up 68. Redlands scores 78 and gives up 75. UR's David Menary (20.0 ppg) and Joey Sponheim (17.4 ppg) will have to be on fire, and hope the Sagehens have an off night. Reality: Pomona's 1-2-3 punch of Daniel Rosenbaum-Micah Elan-Alex Preston will be too much for Redlands to overcome.

Prediction: Pomona 85, Redlands 70.

Oxy also has a tough assignment. Claremont has been a tough place for the Tigers, who are 3-10 at CMS since 2007. This season Claremont won two close games against Oxy, 63-60 and 65-57. The Stags are No. 1 in scoring defense in D3, allowing only 60 ppg. Oxy is no slouch in that category; they're No. 25, giving up 65.4 ppg.

I've watched Claremont play for a long time. They consistently play the best defense in the SCIAC. Their game plan has always been to hold the other team under 60, and this season that's all they give up. In my opinion, Oxy needs to score at least 70 to win the game. On offense, Claremont relies on Nicolas Segura Dobjanschi (16.0 ppg), Miles President (11.2 ppg) and Jeremy Horn (10.6 ppg), while Oxy's scorers are Zach Baines (21.1 ppg), Austin DeWitz (16.8 ppg), Caleb Yellin-Flaherty (13.7 ppg) and Jacob Adler (11.0) ppg.

Admittedly biased prediction: Oxy 71, Claremont 67.

OxyBob
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on February 22, 2019, 04:09:55 PM
All SCIAC Team has been announced.

http://sciac.prestosports.com/sports/mbkb/2018-19/releases/20190221yjqsc3
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Teddy_Ballgame on February 22, 2019, 07:02:24 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on February 22, 2019, 04:09:55 PM
All SCIAC Team has been announced.

http://sciac.prestosports.com/sports/mbkb/2018-19/releases/20190221yjqsc3

Congrats to Daniel Rosenbaum! The first PP hoopster to win POY since, I believe, Alex Lloyd in 2004-2005.

Fun fact, Daniel's older brother Simon (who's actually taller than Daniel) was the SCIAC Baseball POY in 2014 while at Pomona.



Separately, tonight is a huge game for the Hens. Despite their guady record and win over Whitman, a fairly low SOS means they are by no means guaranteed a spot in the dance if they don't win the tournament. An early exit would put them in precarious position.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 22, 2019, 11:57:23 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 20, 2019, 03:20:40 PM
SCIAC Conference Tournament Semifinals, Friday, February 22, 7:00 p.m. Seeding: 1 Pomona, 2 Claremont, 3 Oxy, 4 Redlands.

Redlands (15-10, 10-6 SCIAC) @ Pomona (23-2, 15-1)
Oxy (21-4, 12-4) @ Claremont (19-6, 13-3)

Winners play in final Saturday night at highest remaining seed.


Oxy 64 Claremont 62 OT Final -- Oxy survives Claremont 3-pointer barrage, wins it on DeWitz's jumper in OT.

Pomona 79 Redlands 77 Final -- Redlands down 21 in first half, down 68-50 with 10:45 to play, roars back, has chance to tie or win it at buzzer, but can't get over.

Excellent Oxy-Claremont game recap from CMS website:

https://www.cmsathletics.org/sports/mbkb/2018-19/releases/201902230nno2w

SCIAC Tournament Final, Saturday, Feb. 23, 7:30 p.m.

Oxy (22-4) @ Pomona (24-2)

OxyBob

Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CMSfan on February 23, 2019, 01:14:44 AM
A couple great semifinal games tonight. Congrats to Oxy for a gutty win. I'm hoping they pull out a victory tomorrow and that SCIAC ends up as a two-bid conference.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 23, 2019, 09:51:44 AM
Quote from: CMSfan on February 23, 2019, 01:14:44 AM
A couple great semifinal games tonight. Congrats to Oxy for a gutty win. I'm hoping they pull out a victory tomorrow and that SCIAC ends up as a two-bid conference.

If P-P loses, they are no lock.  I'd be real worried if I were them and didn't get the automatic bid.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AlltheKINGSmen99 on February 23, 2019, 04:44:31 PM
There is no example of East Coast bias more evident than in NCAA D3 basketball.
Budgets for most D3's are limited. The ability to play other D3's from the West Coast is limited.
The NCAA some how considers Wisconsin part of the West Region.
West Coast D3 never has a chance at multiple bids unless it is a rare year.
PP and Oxy are both tournament teams.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: (509)Rat on February 23, 2019, 08:44:36 PM
QuoteWest Coast D3 never has a chance at multiple bids unless it is a rare year.

Whitman and Whitworth say hi...look at those two programs' schedules over the last 4-5 years (and Whitworth's over the last 10-15). Nothing is stopping Oxy from scheduling like them other than their administration not wanting to spend the money on men's basketball.

Oxy only deserves a bid if they get the AQ, their non conference schedule was a total dumpster fire.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 23, 2019, 10:08:56 PM
Quote from: AlltheKINGSmen99 on February 23, 2019, 04:44:31 PM
There is no example of East Coast bias more evident than in NCAA D3 basketball.

There is no "East Coast bias" in NCAA D3 basketball.

Quote from: AlltheKINGSmen99 on February 23, 2019, 04:44:31 PM
Budgets for most D3's are limited. The ability to play other D3's from the West Coast is limited.

The two West Coast leagues are on geographical islands. There's nothing that anybody can do about that. Bu there are ways around that in order to lessen the weak SOS racked up by West Coast teams. The SCIAC and NWC play plenty of crossovers already; the serious SCIAC and NWC programs need to try to schedule each other more often in order to boost their SOS. There are large tournaments held in Vegas and Phoenix over the holidays; plenty of opportunities there to pick up games against good teams from the East Coast and the midwest. And every SCIAC program should be hosting a tourney if at all possible in order to attract snowbirds. CLU got a big SOS boost from hosting Whitman, UWSP, and Illinois Wesleyan this season in their tourney, although the Kingsmen didn't do well enough within their own circuit to make use of it.

Quote from: AlltheKINGSmen99 on February 23, 2019, 04:44:31 PMThe NCAA some how considers Wisconsin part of the West Region.

No, it doesn't. The WIAC is in the Central Region. The MWC is in the Central Region. The CCIW is in the Central Region And the NACC is in the Central Region. Those are the four leagues that have multiple Wisconsin member schools. The only Cheesehead institution that's in the West Region is UW-Superior, which is a member of the Minnesota-dominated UMAC.

Quote from: AlltheKINGSmen99 on February 23, 2019, 04:44:31 PMWest Coast D3 never has a chance at multiple bids unless it is a rare year.

Not true. The NWC has had two teams in the tourney in each of the past three seasons.

Quote from: AlltheKINGSmen99 on February 23, 2019, 04:44:31 PMPP and Oxy are both tournament teams.

We'll find that out if that's true on Monday morning.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Smitty Oom on February 23, 2019, 10:17:45 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 23, 2019, 10:08:56 PM
Quote from: AlltheKINGSmen99 on February 23, 2019, 04:44:31 PMThe NCAA some how considers Wisconsin part of the West Region.

No, it doesn't. The WIAC is in the Central Region. The MWC is in the Central Region. And the NACC is in the Central Region. Those are the three leagues that have multiple Wisconsin member schools. The only Cheesehead institution that's in the West Region is UW-Superior, which is a member of the Minnesota-dominated UMAC.

I mean this is just semantics, but Northland College is in Ashland, WI and is also a member of the UMAC. Your point is still 100% correct, though.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 23, 2019, 10:24:36 PM
Good point, Smitty. OK, so four out of the five D3 leagues with multiple Wisconsin members are in the Central Region, not the West Region.

When you tally them up, 21 of the 23 D3 schools that have men's basketball programs are in the Central Region.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 24, 2019, 11:08:41 AM
Welcome to the SCIAC board, AlltheKINGSmen99. Thanks for giving one of the board's resident didactic pedants Gregory Sager the chance to come in here, pick apart your post and blah blah blah for awhile.

Meanwhile, Oxy and Pomona played for the SCIAC tournament championship and the conference AQ for the NCAA tournament. It did not go well for Oxy, as the Sagehens powered their way to a convincing 68-45 victory. It's Pomona's first SCIAC championship since 2008. Congratulations to Coach Kat and the Sagehens.

Oxy got off to a fast start and led 16-2, but Pomona got it going and cut Oxy's lead to 20-13 with 6 minutes left in the first half. The Tigers then went into a deep offensive freeze. Pomona outscored the Tigers 18-2 and led 31-22 at halftime. Pomona didn't let up in the second half and pulled away for an easy win.

For Oxy, Caleb Yellin-Flaherty scored 11, and Ryan Kaneshiro had 10. Senior starters Austin DeWitz and Zach Baines finished their stellar Oxy careers. Thanks, Austin and Zach, it was a pleasure to watch you play. You will be dearly missed.

For Pomona, Micah Elan scored 21, Daniel Rosenbaum had 14, and Alex Preston had 12.

Oxy finishes 22-5. Pomona is 25-2. If the usual pattern holds then Pomona will likely travel to Walla Walla to face NWC champ Whitman in the first round of the NCAA tournament. Whitman is 26-1, its only loss coming to Pomona 112-109 in double overtime last November. Good luck to the Sagehens. Bring one home for the SCIAC!

OxyBob



Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: (509)Rat on February 24, 2019, 01:31:07 PM
Our didactic pedants will have to answer but could no Whitworth mean Whitman gets a first round bye with a SCIAC v TX first round winner getting shipped up to Walla Walla?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 24, 2019, 02:49:59 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 24, 2019, 11:08:41 AM
Welcome to the SCIAC board, AlltheKINGSmen99. Thanks for giving one of the board's resident didactic pedants Gregory Sager the chance to come in here, pick apart your post and blah blah blah for awhile.

(https://media.giphy.com/media/jt9FFt6f2Q0Te/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 25, 2019, 12:08:52 AM
Quote from: (509)Rat on February 24, 2019, 01:31:07 PM
Our didactic pedants will have to answer but could no Whitworth mean Whitman gets a first round bye with a SCIAC v TX first round winner getting shipped up to Walla Walla?

There are no byes in men's basketball ... and it has been several years since we had byes.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: greg21grimm on February 25, 2019, 12:40:46 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 23, 2019, 10:08:56 PM
Quote from: AlltheKINGSmen99 on February 23, 2019, 04:44:31 PM
There is no example of East Coast bias more evident than in NCAA D3 basketball.

There is no "East Coast bias" in NCAA D3 basketball.

Quote from: AlltheKINGSmen99 on February 23, 2019, 04:44:31 PM
Budgets for most D3's are limited. The ability to play other D3's from the West Coast is limited.

The two West Coast leagues are on geographical islands. There's nothing that anybody can do about that. Bu there are ways around that in order to lessen the weak SOS racked up by West Coast teams. The SCIAC and NWC play plenty of crossovers already; the serious SCIAC and NWC programs need to try to schedule each other more often in order to boost their SOS. There are large tournaments held in Vegas and Phoenix over the holidays; plenty of opportunities there to pick up games against good teams from the East Coast and the midwest. And every SCIAC program should be hosting a tourney if at all possible in order to attract snowbirds. CLU got a big SOS boost from hosting Whitman, UWSP, and Illinois Wesleyan this season in their tourney, although the Kingsmen didn't do well enough within their own circuit to make use of it.

Quote from: AlltheKINGSmen99 on February 23, 2019, 04:44:31 PMThe NCAA some how considers Wisconsin part of the West Region.

No, it doesn't. The WIAC is in the Central Region. The MWC is in the Central Region. The CCIW is in the Central Region And the NACC is in the Central Region. Those are the four leagues that have multiple Wisconsin member schools. The only Cheesehead institution that's in the West Region is UW-Superior, which is a member of the Minnesota-dominated UMAC.

Quote from: AlltheKINGSmen99 on February 23, 2019, 04:44:31 PMWest Coast D3 never has a chance at multiple bids unless it is a rare year.

Not true. The NWC has had two teams in the tourney in each of the past three seasons.

Quote from: AlltheKINGSmen99 on February 23, 2019, 04:44:31 PMPP and Oxy are both tournament teams.

We'll find that out if that's true on Monday morning.

You forgot one......

Quote from: AlltheKINGSmen99 on February 21, 2019, 07:22:50 PM
They 100% made the wrong hire but would keeping Rider's assistant have been any different? Maybe a few games here and there but they wouldn't be in the conference tournament with him either.

2016-17 they maybe won 20 games, they may have been 2nd in SCIAC by only one game, the may have been ranked in the region....oh, and they may have not only played in the conference tournament, they played for the championship.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D O.C. on February 25, 2019, 01:59:47 AM
That OxyBob    ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 25, 2019, 10:45:17 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 25, 2019, 12:08:52 AM
Quote from: (509)Rat on February 24, 2019, 01:31:07 PM
Our didactic pedants will have to answer but could no Whitworth mean Whitman gets a first round bye with a SCIAC v TX first round winner getting shipped up to Walla Walla?

There are no byes in men's basketball ... and it has been several years since we had byes.

This will be the third straight tournament with a bye-free, 64-team field. Barring some unforeseen exodus from D3 or some drastic NCAA spending cut, full 64-team fields for the tournament will be a permanent feature.

(Hey, we didactic pedants have to stick together. ;))

Quote from: D O.C. on February 25, 2019, 01:59:47 AM
That OxyBob    ;D

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Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on February 25, 2019, 01:34:05 PM
PP heading up to Walla Walla and playing UT Dallas in the first round. Winner plays Whitman/TLU winner.

Should be a good pod and if both PP and Whitman win, the rematch should be great.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 25, 2019, 02:35:17 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 25, 2019, 10:45:17 AM
Hey, we didactic pedants have to stick together.

Yes, you do.

(https://tinyurl.com/y4vywdjt)

OxyBob

Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: (509)Rat on February 25, 2019, 02:51:34 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 25, 2019, 12:08:52 AM
Quote from: (509)Rat on February 24, 2019, 01:31:07 PM
Our didactic pedants will have to answer but could no Whitworth mean Whitman gets a first round bye with a SCIAC v TX first round winner getting shipped up to Walla Walla?

There are no byes in men's basketball ... and it has been several years since we had byes.

I thought I had seen one recently, obviously not. That's what you guys are here for, though...
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 25, 2019, 03:12:56 PM
Quote from: (509)Rat on February 25, 2019, 02:51:34 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 25, 2019, 12:08:52 AM
Quote from: (509)Rat on February 24, 2019, 01:31:07 PM
Our didactic pedants will have to answer but could no Whitworth mean Whitman gets a first round bye with a SCIAC v TX first round winner getting shipped up to Walla Walla?

There are no byes in men's basketball ... and it has been several years since we had byes.

I thought I had seen one recently, obviously not. That's what you guys are here for, though...

Well, that and to give OxyBob the hots with our matronly looks and our 1950s-era print dresses.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AlltheKINGSmen99 on February 25, 2019, 06:31:57 PM

You forgot one......

Quote from: AlltheKINGSmen99 on February 21, 2019, 07:22:50 PM
They 100% made the wrong hire but would keeping Rider's assistant have been any different? Maybe a few games here and there but they wouldn't be in the conference tournament with him either.

2016-17 they maybe won 20 games, they may have been 2nd in SCIAC by only one game, the may have been ranked in the region....oh, and they may have not only played in the conference tournament, they played for the championship.
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RIder's staff had a full year to interview. Their local recruiting was abysmal, their overall record was mediocre. One year of ALMOST making the tournament should have gotten them the job? They routinely had top talent and routinely missed the tournament. The conference tournament should have saved them. Consistent top 4 finishes then win 2 games in 2 days. Yet it never did save them. They couldn't get over the hump. Isn't it possible the admin viewed another near miss as just more of the same?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D O.C. on March 02, 2019, 03:09:16 PM
Nice defense PP
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Smitty Oom on March 02, 2019, 11:13:38 PM
Dan Rosenbaum is very smooth. fun player to watch.

Also an interesting tidbit from the Whitman announcer, Greg Pop was the last Sagehens Head Coach!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Teddy_Ballgame on March 04, 2019, 03:19:06 PM
Fantastic year for the Hens. First NCAA Tournament win since 2003. Set program records for regular season wins, conference wins, win-streak. Rosenbaum goes down as the #2 all-time scorer in program history. Apart from CMS last year, it had been years since a SCIAC team won a tournament game against a non-SCIAC team.

Watched most of the game Saturday night. We were in control and playing great defense for most of the first half. Ultimately, though, I think Whitman just tired our guys out. They had a full-court press going all night, and I think our studs just got worn down in the second half (exacerbated by playing two nights in a row), and started turning the ball over and missed a lot of shots. Whitman was deeper and didn't have to rely on as many minutes from their horses. Whitman's lead was as much as 20 with 3:30 left to play. Koch really struggled (2 points, 5 fouls, 6 turnovers), but leaves Pomona as one of the great players in program history.

Hats off to the team. Will be rooting for Whitman to cut down the nets so we can say that we were the only team all year to beat them!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: greg21grimm on March 04, 2019, 04:08:50 PM
Quote from: AlltheKINGSmen99 on February 25, 2019, 06:31:57 PM

You forgot one......

Quote from: AlltheKINGSmen99 on February 21, 2019, 07:22:50 PM
They 100% made the wrong hire but would keeping Rider's assistant have been any different? Maybe a few games here and there but they wouldn't be in the conference tournament with him either.

2016-17 they maybe won 20 games, they may have been 2nd in SCIAC by only one game, the may have been ranked in the region....oh, and they may have not only played in the conference tournament, they played for the championship.

RIder's staff had a full year to interview. Their local recruiting was abysmal, their overall record was mediocre. One year of ALMOST making the tournament should have gotten them the job? They routinely had top talent and routinely missed the tournament. The conference tournament should have saved them. Consistent top 4 finishes then win 2 games in 2 days. Yet it never did save them. They couldn't get over the hump. Isn't it possible the admin viewed another near miss as just more of the same?
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I think the coaching staff proved what they could do with the "full year to interview."
That was the best record by any first year head coach in the history of CLU.
Only the 5th time in school history they had 20 wins.
First time they won a home SCIAC tourney game.
Ranked in the region.
Recruiting locally? http://www.clusports.com/sports/mbkb/2016-17/roster
Had to do some research but, Cirillo (Moorpark), Dawe (Saugus), Francis (Mission Hills), Wood (Newport Beach), Richey (Santa Barbara), Miles (Torrance), Cole (Redondo), Moffett (Canyon Country), Ferreira (Bakersfield).
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Teddy_Ballgame on March 11, 2019, 03:26:01 PM
Congrats to Daniel Rosenbaum on being named to D3hoops 1st Team All West Region and winning the fan vote to go to the NABC DIII all star game!

Congratulations as well to Oxy's Zach Baines who was named to D3hoops 2nd Team All West Region.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AlltheKINGSmen99 on March 11, 2019, 04:09:29 PM
Grimm -

Let me say a few things. One I watched you play many times. I am glad you wore the purple and gold. You were the kind of player that made alums proud.

When I said local recruiting I was more referring to the players from immediately around CLU that they never even recruited. When is the last time Ventura, Thousand Oaks, Oaks Christian, Westlake, Agoura, Calabasas had their players go to CLU. They have had guys that could make an impact in the SCIAC. The coaches I have come across in the area say it was rare to have CLU recruit their guys.

We do differ on if keeping Rider's staff intact was the answer. We agree that they made the wrong hire once the job was open.

Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: greg21grimm on March 12, 2019, 01:44:49 AM
Quote from: AlltheKINGSmen99 on March 11, 2019, 04:09:29 PM
Grimm -

Let me say a few things. One I watched you play many times. I am glad you wore the purple and gold. You were the kind of player that made alums proud.

When I said local recruiting I was more referring to the players from immediately around CLU that they never even recruited. When is the last time Ventura, Thousand Oaks, Oaks Christian, Westlake, Agoura, Calabasas had their players go to CLU. They have had guys that could make an impact in the SCIAC. The coaches I have come across in the area say it was rare to have CLU recruit their guys.

We do differ on if keeping Rider's staff intact was the answer. We agree that they made the wrong hire once the job was open.

Thank you for the kind words. But my success was a direct reflection of the guidance my coaching staff gave me.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on March 19, 2019, 03:29:29 PM
Quote from: Smitty Oom on March 02, 2019, 11:13:38 PM
Also an interesting tidbit from the Whitman announcer, Greg Pop was the last Sagehens Head Coach!

Fascinating! None of us SCIAC fans were aware that Popovich coached at Pomona.

Quote from: Teddy_Ballgame on March 04, 2019, 03:19:06 PM
Fantastic year for the Hens. First NCAA Tournament win since 2003. Set program records for regular season wins, conference wins, win-streak. Rosenbaum goes down as the #2 all-time scorer in program history. Apart from CMS last year, it had been years since a SCIAC team won a tournament game against a non-SCIAC team.

Concur. Congratulations to Pomona and Coach Kat for a great season.

OxyBob
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BluesBrother on March 19, 2019, 07:31:32 PM
Quote from: Teddy_Ballgame on March 04, 2019, 03:19:06 PM
Apart from CMS last year, it had been years since a SCIAC team won a tournament game against a non-SCIAC team.

Last two years. CMS knocked out Whitworth in 2017 and 2018 in the first round before running in Whitman in the second round. Awfully tough path for SCIAC these past few years, which is too bad because both the CMS teams and this year's P-P team looked Sweet 16 caliber.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BluesBrother on March 19, 2019, 07:51:05 PM
By the way, vote for Austin Butler to represent D3 in the Slam Dunk Contest at the Final Four!

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Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Teddy_Ballgame on March 26, 2019, 07:24:49 PM
Quote from: BluesBrother on March 19, 2019, 07:31:32 PM
Quote from: Teddy_Ballgame on March 04, 2019, 03:19:06 PM
Apart from CMS last year, it had been years since a SCIAC team won a tournament game against a non-SCIAC team.

Last two years. CMS knocked out Whitworth in 2017 and 2018 in the first round before running in Whitman in the second round. Awfully tough path for SCIAC these past few years, which is too bad because both the CMS teams and this year's P-P team looked Sweet 16 caliber.

Thanks for the correction - you're right. Despite streaming the Friday game in our office each year, I still manage to blend them together due to the opponents. Crazy that the SCIAC has now won their first game and then faced Whitman three years in a row... Hopefully next year someone can break through!

Speaking of which, I know Pomona is losing a lot in Koch and Rosenbaum. Their depth might be better next year, but losing two perennial all conference guys is never easy. I don't know a ton about the rest of the teams in conference, who do folks think will be the main contenders next year? CMS only graduates two (though both were starters) and are always competitive. How bout Oxy? Redlands?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AlltheKINGSmen99 on May 08, 2019, 10:46:09 AM
Grimm any insight to what is happening at CLU?
Rumors were the new coach was looking at other jobs.
They return a lot according to the online roster then announced an 8 man recruiting class on social media.
Are players continuing to leave?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: greg21grimm on May 09, 2019, 01:56:01 PM
Quote from: AlltheKINGSmen99 on May 08, 2019, 10:46:09 AM
Grimm any insight to what is happening at CLU?
Rumors were the new coach was looking at other jobs.
They return a lot according to the online roster then announced an 8 man recruiting class on social media.
Are players continuing to leave?

I have no ties to the current basketball program at CLU, so I am unaware of any happenings within the program. I thought with your strong ties to the HS coaches in the surrounding area that would make you more privy to that information.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: greg21grimm on July 12, 2019, 01:36:12 AM
That didn't take long
https://hoopdirt.com/diii-dirt-waynesburg-set-to-hire-current-diii-head-coach/
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jack Parkman on July 12, 2019, 11:10:41 PM
Quote from: greg21grimm on July 12, 2019, 01:36:12 AM
That didn't take long
https://hoopdirt.com/diii-dirt-waynesburg-set-to-hire-current-diii-head-coach/

That is embarrassing for the Cal Lu athletic department.  You bring a guy in with zero ties to CA and he splits after two very mediocre years.  He also splits in the middle of the summer when it's too late for players to go elsewhere.  It will be interesting to see what direction they go with the next hire.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on July 13, 2019, 09:13:00 AM
Quote from: Jack Parkman on July 12, 2019, 11:10:41 PM
Quote from: greg21grimm on July 12, 2019, 01:36:12 AM
That didn't take long
https://hoopdirt.com/diii-dirt-waynesburg-set-to-hire-current-diii-head-coach/

That is embarrassing for the Cal Lu athletic department.  You bring a guy in with zero ties to CA and he splits after two very mediocre years.  He also splits in the middle of the summer when it's too late for players to go elsewhere.  It will be interesting to see what direction they go with the next hire.
Waynesburg would have similar recruiting/enrollment issues.
But the PAC has almost zero interest on these boards.  So who cares?  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: socalcoach on July 20, 2019, 02:36:14 AM
I am expecting a quick hire at Cal Lutheran and I think it will be a strong choice. I think it will happen in the next few days.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: greg21grimm on July 20, 2019, 10:37:19 AM
Quote from: Gray Fox on July 13, 2019, 09:13:00 AM
Quote from: Jack Parkman on July 12, 2019, 11:10:41 PM
Quote from: greg21grimm on July 12, 2019, 01:36:12 AM
That didn't take long
https://hoopdirt.com/diii-dirt-waynesburg-set-to-hire-current-diii-head-coach/

That is embarrassing for the Cal Lu athletic department.  You bring a guy in with zero ties to CA and he splits after two very mediocre years.  He also splits in the middle of the summer when it's too late for players to go elsewhere.  It will be interesting to see what direction they go with the next hire.
Waynesburg would have similar recruiting/enrollment issues.

The SID at Waynesburg should receive a Pulitzer for his press release:
https://waynesburgsports.com/news/2019/7/19/fusina-named-mens-basketball-coach.aspx?path=mbball

33 incoming freshmen? Only 8 were on Varsity, and only 2 played. CLU does have a JV team. Interesting to see who remains for next year.
Top 50 schedule? Only 2 wins against teams with winning records w/ average loss of 19 ppg.  Only 5 wins total over teams with winning records in 2 years.
East coast scheduling will be better, as by his Centenary record. 12 wins in 16-17, 2 against teams with an above .500 record.

Quote from: socalcoach on July 20, 2019, 02:36:14 AM
I am expecting a quick hire at Cal Lutheran and I think it will be a strong choice. I think it will happen in the next few days.

It took them 6 months to find, interview, and hire Fusina.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on July 20, 2019, 12:01:50 PM
WOW:
https://waynesburgsports.com/news/2019/7/19/fusina-named-mens-basketball-coach.aspx?path=mbball
Great resume.  Too bad Coach K at Duke is still there. :P
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: socalcoach on July 20, 2019, 09:25:42 PM
It took them 6 months to find, interview, and hire Fusina.
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Looks like it took 6 days for this hire and seems like a good one.

https://twitter.com/pollonpreps/status/1152606316461846528

https://twitter.com/CLUSports/status/1152664131868057601
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: greg21grimm on July 21, 2019, 12:02:43 PM
Quote from: socalcoach on July 20, 2019, 09:25:42 PM
Looks like it took 6 days for this hire and seems like a good one.

https://twitter.com/pollonpreps/status/1152606316461846528

https://twitter.com/CLUSports/status/1152664131868057601

You knew it would have to be a quick and local hire based upon the time frame.  And it also shows how bad the CLU administration is or has been in this entire process. From my understanding, in the original hiring process 2 years ago, they stated in the job description, they wanted someone with minimum 3 years college Head coaching experience, and they didnt even give Coach White an interview.  And they got a lot of flack from alumni for not even giving him a phone interview or giving Coach Dains an on campus interview.

I believe the President has taken control of this and wanted to calm the waters and went back and hired Coach White for the men's bball job, and in fact I think, they hired another alumni for the Women's job.  He was local, an alum, and knew he would take it. No search committee, no interviews, etc.  That tells you that upper administration has no faith in the AD or VP of athletics, if the President is taking control of this. Sounds like a waste of 300k in salary, if they cant hire correctly.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: socalcoach on July 22, 2019, 12:16:30 AM
Quote from: greg21grimm on July 21, 2019, 12:02:43 PM
Quote from: socalcoach on July 20, 2019, 09:25:42 PM
Looks like it took 6 days for this hire and seems like a good one.

https://twitter.com/pollonpreps/status/1152606316461846528

https://twitter.com/CLUSports/status/1152664131868057601

You knew it would have to be a quick and local hire based upon the time frame.  And it also shows how bad the CLU administration is or has been in this entire process. From my understanding, in the original hiring process 2 years ago, they stated in the job description, they wanted someone with minimum 3 years college Head coaching experience, and they didnt even give Coach White an interview.  And they got a lot of flack from alumni for not even giving him a phone interview or giving Coach Dains an on campus interview.

I believe the President has taken control of this and wanted to calm the waters and went back and hired Coach White for the men's bball job, and in fact I think, they hired another alumni for the Women's job.  He was local, an alum, and knew he would take it. No search committee, no interviews, etc.  That tells you that upper administration has no faith in the AD or VP of athletics, if the President is taking control of this. Sounds like a waste of 300k in salary, if they cant hire correctly.

A lot of accuracy in the information regarding the search 2 years ago from what I know. However, from speaking with one of the two current hires they were done without even meeting with the President. I believe both current administrators were involved in some capacity in the hires. It seems the President signed off on both but the searches were left to be handled by the administration. Could it simply be they learned from the past process and moved quickly. Would you agree they are both good hires? As an Alum are you in support?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AlltheKINGSmen99 on July 22, 2019, 01:34:40 PM
As an alum I am thrilled. I was at school with both of them. They will do great things. I don't care who was involved in the hire. They obviously fixed the mistakes of the last men's basketball hire. This was the hire they should have made two years ago. Better late than never. Just wish Coach White was jumping off from a higher point than where the program is now. He has a lot of ground to make up.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: greg21grimm on July 22, 2019, 01:38:56 PM
Quote from: socalcoach on July 22, 2019, 12:16:30 AM
A lot of accuracy in the information regarding the search 2 years ago from what I know. However, from speaking with one of the two current hires they were done without even meeting with the President. I believe both current administrators were involved in some capacity in the hires. It seems the President signed off on both but the searches were left to be handled by the administration. Could it simply be they learned from the past process and moved quickly. Would you agree they are both good hires? As an Alum are you in support?

Honestly, I dont know enough about either to really make a comment. They obviously have very strong track records at the HS level, but the coaching in SCIAC on both sides is very good, so there will be a learning curve.  How quickly can they adjust will be the question.

I waited over a year to make my judgments on Fusina to see how he coached a very talented returning group of players that Coach Dains left behind.  CLU looks like they are in complete rebuild with both programs.  CLU administration has gotten away from what the CLU identity really is over the years....not only with their hiring of coaches, but trying to change the mascot, and adding A LOT of higher admin personnel that just dont know what really makes CLU successful.  The benefit of these hires is that they know what the CLU culture was and can bring some of that old Purple and Gold spirit back.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AlltheKINGSmen99 on July 23, 2019, 02:14:22 PM
White should have been the hire the first time.
Glad they got it right - however they did it.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jack Parkman on July 24, 2019, 09:23:08 PM
Quote from: AlltheKINGSmen99 on July 23, 2019, 02:14:22 PM
White should have been the hire the first time.
Glad they got it right - however they did it.

The fact that they just hired two alums speaks volumes about how bad they screwed up the first time.  I have no idea why the women position was open as the former coach did a pretty solid job at Cal Lu.  There are no articles or information as to where she might have gone, or if she just left to pursue other opportunities.

Bringing in a coach from back East was quite possibly the dumbest thing they could have done, especially a coach with a record like he did.  It's probably obvious that alumni are usually a great choice to lead a program, but the situation they got themselves into was embarrassing.  It is going to take a little while to fix the mess that was left, but it sounds like White is a great coach to lead the program and the new women's coach has been pretty successful and built a good program at Chaminade.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on July 24, 2019, 09:38:13 PM
Quote from: Jack Parkman on July 24, 2019, 09:23:08 PM
Quote from: AlltheKINGSmen99 on July 23, 2019, 02:14:22 PM
White should have been the hire the first time.
Glad they got it right - however they did it.

The fact that they just hired two alums speaks volumes about how bad they screwed up the first time.  I have no idea why the women position was open as the former coach did a pretty solid job at Cal Lu.  There are no articles or information as to where she might have gone, or if she just left to pursue other opportunities.

Bringing in a coach from back East was quite possibly the dumbest thing they could have done, especially a coach with a record like he did.  It's probably obvious that alumni are usually a great choice to lead a program, but the situation they got themselves into was embarrassing.  It is going to take a little while to fix the mess that was left, but it sounds like White is a great coach to lead the program and the new women's coach has been pretty successful and built a good program at Chaminade.
https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2019/07/cal-lutheran-coaching-changes
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on September 06, 2019, 02:50:54 PM
From conversations I've had about CalLu (people coming to me; I haven't been searching for it) ... there appear to be significant problems at Cal Lu. Both basketball coaches leaving nearly at the same time and the WBB coach departing for a JUCO job in San Diego doesn't really point at the coaches.

I know not everyone was thrilled about Fusina's hire... but what I've learned over time he really wanted to make it work. He wasn't looking to leave after two years.

There appears to be bigger issues - ones I am not in the position to divulge - and those internal issues need to be solved if anyone wants to see Cal Lu succeed.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AlltheKINGSmen99 on September 08, 2019, 03:07:19 PM
All Fusina did was complain about how hard the job was. I am not buying it. No way a winning coach like White with one of the best high school jobs in the area walks away from that (same for dimuro) and into the dumpster fire that Fusina tries to make CLU. Fusina inherited a very talented roster and ran the program into the ground in under 18 months. If Fusina wanted to make it work he would have. White has already done more outreach to local coaches in 1 month than Fusina did in two years. CLU is far from perfect and the infastrcture is way behind the times for a school with facilities like they have but it is far from "significant problems".

Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on November 02, 2019, 11:45:40 AM
Pomona picked to win:

  https://www.thesciac.org/sports/mbkb/2019-20/releases/20191031jwu1n8
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on November 09, 2019, 02:32:43 PM
Oxy started its season on November 2 with a 73-56 exhibition game loss to The Master's College (NAIA I).

The Tigers played a good first half, and the game was tied 35-all at halftime. The second half was a different story as the Mustangs pulled away for the win.

For Oxy, Jacob Adler scored 25 and Caleb Yellin-Flaherty scored 19.  Ryan Kaneshiro was out with an injury.

Oxy's season opener is tonight at home against Yeshiva University from the Skyline Conference. Game time is 8:30 p.m.

OxyBob
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on November 11, 2019, 05:08:41 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on November 09, 2019, 02:32:43 PM
Oxy's season opener is tonight at home against Yeshiva University from the Skyline Conference. Game time is 8:30 p.m.

Oxy 72 Yeshiva 60 Final

The Tigers shot 63% in the first half and led 45-29 at halftime. In the second half, Oxy led by 28 with 12 minutes to go before they took their foot off the gas.

Jacob Adler scored 22, Sydney Shipp had 13 off the bench, Caleb Yellin-Flaherty had 12 and Ryan Kaneshiro scored 10.

Up next for Oxy (1-0) is a game at West Coast Baptist College in Lancaster on 11/14 at 7:00 p.m.

OxyBob
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 11, 2019, 05:52:34 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on November 11, 2019, 05:08:41 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on November 09, 2019, 02:32:43 PM
Oxy's season opener is tonight at home against Yeshiva University from the Skyline Conference. Game time is 8:30 p.m.

Oxy 72 Yeshiva 60 Final

The Tigers shot 63% in the first half and led 45-29 at halftime. In the second half, Oxy led by 28 with 12 minutes to go before they took their foot off the gas.

Jacob Adler scored 22, Sydney Shipp had 13 off the bench, Caleb Yellin-Flaherty had 12 and Ryan Kaneshiro scored 10.

Up next for Oxy (1-0) is a game at West Coast Baptist College in Lancaster on 11/14 at 7:00 p.m.

OxyBob

Did you watch it, Bob?  I saw the first half.  It just appeared Yeshiva was generally uninterested in playing defense.  Both teams looked pretty good on offense for an opening game, though.  SCIAC should be nice and competitive this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: greg21grimm on November 15, 2019, 01:01:02 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on September 06, 2019, 02:50:54 PM
From conversations I've had about CalLu (people coming to me; I haven't been searching for it) ... there appear to be significant problems at Cal Lu. Both basketball coaches leaving nearly at the same time and the WBB coach departing for a JUCO job in San Diego doesn't really point at the coaches.

I know not everyone was thrilled about Fusina's hire... but what I've learned over time he really wanted to make it work. He wasn't looking to leave after two years.

There appears to be bigger issues - ones I am not in the position to divulge - and those internal issues need to be solved if anyone wants to see Cal Lu succeed.

The CLU athletic department has over $400k wrapped up into 3 positions, and not one dime goes to any coaches. They have 3 people doing one job.
VP of athletics
AD
AD of fundraising


http://www.clusports.com/sports/mbkb/2019-20/schedule

Congrats to CLU admin knocking back the basketball program 50 years.  This loss is absolutely on the administration.

http://www.clusports.com/sports/mbkb/history
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on November 15, 2019, 04:55:12 PM
Quote from: greg21grimm on November 15, 2019, 01:01:02 PM
http://www.clusports.com/sports/mbkb/2019-20/schedule
Congrats to CLU admin knocking back the basketball program 50 years.  This loss is absolutely on the administration.

CLU chose an interesting way to start their season. The Kingsmen opened with a 112-56 loss to NCAA D-I Cal Baptist of the WAC. CLU then scheduled games at Whitworth and at Whitman. Yikes!

The game against Whitworth did not go well for CLU, as they lost to the Pirates 105-51. Not much to say about the game. I've been to the Whitworth Fieldhouse and it's an intimidating place for visitors. It won't get any easier when CLU (0-1) travels to Whitman.

Meanwhile, Oxy beat West Coast Baptist 88-76. For Oxy, Jacob Adler scored 23, Colin Yellin-Flaherty had 22 pts and 13 rebs, Sydney Shipp had 15, and Evan Dray scored 11. The Tigers (2-0) are home to Bethesda University on Saturday at 7:00 p.m.

OxyBob
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on November 16, 2019, 11:03:51 AM
Friday, November 15 scores:

Lee Fullmer Classic at Redlands

Southwestern 73 La Verne 54
Redlands 87 Luther 62

Tonight's schedule:

Caltech @ Puget Sound 2:00 PM
Luther vs. La Verne @ Redlands 5:00 PM
Southwestern @ Redlands 7:00 PM
Cal Lutheran @ Whitman 6:00 PM
Bethesda @ Oxy 7:00 PM
Pomona @ Westmont 7:00 PM

OxyBob
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on November 17, 2019, 11:46:38 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on November 16, 2019, 11:03:51 AM
Tonight's schedule:

Caltech @ Puget Sound 2:00 PM
Luther vs. La Verne @ Redlands 5:00 PM
Southwestern @ Redlands 7:00 PM
Cal Lutheran @ Whitman 6:00 PM
Bethesda @ Oxy 7:00 PM
Pomona @ Westmont 7:00 PM

Scores:

Puget Sound 72 Caltech 62
Luther 79 La Verne 72
Redlands 87 Southwestern 70
Oxy 82 Bethesda 64
Westmont 84 Pomona 76

Also: Whitman 106 Cal Lutheran 69

Today's game:

Caltech (0-2) @ UC Santa Cruz (3-1) 2:00 PM

OxyBob
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 08, 2020, 07:44:42 PM
Conference play has begun. Here's the schedule for this Saturday, January 11, all games at 2:00 p.m.

Chapman (10-2, 2-1 SCIAC) @ Whittier (7-5, 2-1)

Redlands (9-3, 2-1) @ Pomona (8-2, 2-0)

Claremont (9-3, 1-2) @ Caltech (4-7, 2-0)

Oxy (6-3, 0-2) @ Cal Lutheran (2-9, 1-2)

La Verne (0-11, 0-3) is idle.

OxyBob
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 12, 2020, 03:45:08 PM
Scores from Saturday, January 11:

Chapman 67 Whittier 65
Pomona 86 Redlands 74
Claremont 59 Caltech 54
Oxy 77 Cal Lutheran 54

CLU got off to a 12-4 lead at 15:00, but Oxy dominated after that and won easily. Outstanding performance by Sidney Shipp with 20 points, 3 assists, 4 steals and a block. Jacob Adler scored 23 including 5 3-pointers. Anthony Hollerich scored 11.

CLU's new first year head coach Russell White is very enthusiastic, if you define enthusiastic as whining, yelling, pouting and complaining to the refs nonstop for the entire 40 minutes of the game and even during timeouts. Not a good look.

Wednesday, January 15 schedule, all games 7:00 p.m.:

Caltech (4-9, 2-2 SCIAC) @ Cal Lutheran (2-11, 1-4)
Claremont (11-3, 3-2) @ Redlands (9-4, 2-2)
La Verne (0-12, 0-4) @ Oxy (8-3, 2-2)
Whittier (8-6, 3-2) @ Pomona (10-2, 4-0)

Chapman (11-3, 3-2) is idle.

OxyBob
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 13, 2020, 11:29:54 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 12, 2020, 03:45:08 PM
Chapman (11-3, 3-2) is idle.

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Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 14, 2020, 01:50:16 PM
After starting the season 0-2 with losses at Westmont and Biola (NAIA Division I), Pomona has won 11 straight and is ranked No. 24 in this week's D3hoops.com Men's Top 25

https://www.d3hoops.com/top25/men/2019-20/week6

OxyBob
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 14, 2020, 03:07:48 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 14, 2020, 01:50:16 PM
After starting the season 0-2 with losses at Westmont and Biola (NAIA Division I), Pomona has won 11 straight and is ranked No. 24 in this week's D3hoops.com Men's Top 25

https://www.d3hoops.com/top25/men/2019-20/week6

OxyBob

They've actually been playing better than I even expected and I was the only one voting for them in the preseason.  It's a very strong defensive team with a whole heap of tall, lanky guys that provide bad matchups all over the floor.

I really think, this season, the SCIAC could be one of the tougher conferences, top to bottom.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on January 14, 2020, 03:16:42 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 14, 2020, 03:07:48 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 14, 2020, 01:50:16 PM
After starting the season 0-2 with losses at Westmont and Biola (NAIA Division I), Pomona has won 11 straight and is ranked No. 24 in this week's D3hoops.com Men's Top 25

https://www.d3hoops.com/top25/men/2019-20/week6

OxyBob

They've actually been playing better than I even expected and I was the only one voting for them in the preseason.  It's a very strong defensive team with a whole heap of tall, lanky guys that provide bad matchups all over the floor.

I really think, this season, the SCIAC could be one of the tougher conferences, top to bottom.
If you are fishing for karma points, you just got one.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 16, 2020, 07:04:48 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 14, 2020, 03:07:48 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 14, 2020, 01:50:16 PM
After starting the season 0-2 with losses at Westmont and Biola (NAIA Division I), Pomona has won 11 straight and is ranked No. 24 in this week's D3hoops.com Men's Top 25

They've actually been playing better than I even expected and I was the only one voting for them in the preseason.  It's a very strong defensive team with a whole heap of tall, lanky guys that provide bad matchups all over the floor.


No sooner did you sing Pomona's praises than Whittier beat the Sagehens 97-93 at Pomona.

Other SCIAC scores from January 15:

Caltech 56 Cal Lutheran 50
Claremont 77 Redlands 60
Oxy 86 La Verne 63

Schedule for Saturday January 18:

Whittier (9-6, 4-2 SCIAC) @ Oxy (9-3, 3-2) 2:00 pm
Pomona (11-3, 4-1) @ Cal Lutheran (2-12, 1-5) 2:00 pm
La Verne (0-13, 0-5) @ Chapman (11-3, 3-2) 2:00 pm
Caltech (5-9, 3-2) @ Redlands (9-5, 2-3) 5:00 pm

Claremont (12-3, 4-2) is idle.

OxyBob
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 16, 2020, 11:19:02 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 16, 2020, 07:04:48 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 14, 2020, 03:07:48 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 14, 2020, 01:50:16 PM
After starting the season 0-2 with losses at Westmont and Biola (NAIA Division I), Pomona has won 11 straight and is ranked No. 24 in this week's D3hoops.com Men's Top 25

They've actually been playing better than I even expected and I was the only one voting for them in the preseason.  It's a very strong defensive team with a whole heap of tall, lanky guys that provide bad matchups all over the floor.


No sooner did you sing Pomona's praises than Whittier beat the Sagehens 97-93 at Pomona.

Other SCIAC scores from January 15:

Caltech 56 Cal Lutheran 50
Claremont 77 Redlands 60
Oxy 86 La Verne 63

Schedule for Saturday January 18:

Whittier (9-6, 4-2 SCIAC) @ Oxy (9-3, 3-2) 2:00 pm
Pomona (11-3, 4-1) @ Cal Lutheran (2-12, 1-5) 2:00 pm
La Verne (0-13, 0-5) @ Chapman (11-3, 3-2) 2:00 pm
Caltech (5-9, 3-2) @ Redlands (9-5, 2-3) 5:00 pm

Claremont (12-3, 4-2) is idle.

OxyBob

I jinxed about three teams last night.  Not my best work.  It did seem like Whittier found ways to get PP out of sync on offense and limit Elan.  If the other SCIAC teams can piggy back on some of those tactics, it could be a long six weeks for the Sagehens.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on January 16, 2020, 03:41:00 PM
I watched about the last four minutes.

Pomona is a long team. Whittier seemed a little quicker.
  Maybe Pomona  had read their clippings and were a little relaxed..
But in crunch time, PP missed their shots, and Whittier made theirs.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 18, 2020, 10:36:27 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 16, 2020, 11:19:02 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 16, 2020, 07:04:48 AM

Schedule for Saturday January 18:

Whittier (9-6, 4-2 SCIAC) @ Oxy (9-3, 3-2) 2:00 pm
Pomona (11-3, 4-1) @ Cal Lutheran (2-12, 1-5) 2:00 pm
La Verne (0-13, 0-5) @ Chapman (11-3, 3-2) 2:00 pm
Caltech (5-9, 3-2) @ Redlands (9-5, 2-3) 5:00 pm

Claremont (12-3, 4-2) is idle.


I jinxed about three teams last night.  Not my best work.  It did seem like Whittier found ways to get PP out of sync on offense and limit Elan.  If the other SCIAC teams can piggy back on some of those tactics, it could be a long six weeks for the Sagehens.

Saturday SCIAC scores:

Oxy 71 Whittier 66 -- Tigers hold Poets to 27 second half points.
Pomona 70 Cal Lutheran 48 -- Sagehens led 17-2 after 6 minutes, game pretty much over.
La Verne 68 Chapman 60 -- First win of the season for the Leopards.
Redlands 67 Caltech 62 -- Bulldogs blow 15-point second half lead but hang on against CIT.

Schedule for Wednesday January 22, all games 7:00 p.m.

Pomona (12-3, 5-1 SCIAC) @ Caltech (5-10, 3-3)
Oxy (10-3, 4-2) @ Claremont (12-3, 4-2)
Redlands (10-5, 3-3) @ Chapman (11-4, 3-3)
Cal Lutheran (2-13, 1-6) @ La Verne (1-13, 1-5)

Whittier (9-7, 4-3) is idle.

OxyBob
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 23, 2020, 10:30:37 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 18, 2020, 10:36:27 PM
Schedule for Wednesday January 22, all games 7:00 p.m.

Pomona (12-3, 5-1 SCIAC) @ Caltech (5-10, 3-3)
Oxy (12-3, 4-2) @ Claremont (12-3, 4-2)
Redlands (10-5, 3-3) @ Chapman (11-4, 3-3)
Cal Lutheran (2-13, 1-6) @ La Verne (1-13, 1-5)

Whittier (9-7, 4-3) is idle.

Wednesday scores:

Pomona 101 Caltech 62
Claremont 65 Oxy 60
Chapman 82 Redlands 78
La Verne 68 Cal Lutheran 55

Schedule for Saturday, January 25:

Pomona (13-3, 6-1 SCIAC) @ Oxy (12-4, 4-3) 2:00 pm
UC Santa Cruz (7-12) @ Cal Lutheran (2-14, 1-7) 2:00 pm
Caltech (5-11, 3-4) @ Chapman (12-4, 4-3) 2:00 pm
La Verne (2-13, 2-5) @ Claremont (13-3, 5-2) 2:00 pm
Whittier (9-7, 4-3) @ Redlands (10-6, 3-4) 5:00 pm

OxyBob
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 26, 2020, 10:42:38 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 23, 2020, 10:30:37 AM
Schedule for Saturday, January 25:

Pomona (13-3, 6-1 SCIAC) @ Oxy (12-4, 4-3) 2:00 pm
UC Santa Cruz (7-12) @ Cal Lutheran (2-14, 1-7) 2:00 pm
Caltech (5-11, 3-4) @ Chapman (12-4, 4-3) 2:00 pm
La Verne (2-13, 2-5) @ Claremont (13-3, 5-2) 2:00 pm
Whittier (9-7, 4-3) @ Redlands (10-6, 3-4) 5:00 pm

SCIAC scores
Oxy 87 Pomona 73
Caltech 75 Chapman 57
Claremont 83 La Verne 54
Redlands 105 Whittier 86

Nonconference
Cal Lutheran 63 UC Santa Cruz 59

Halfway through the conference season. Pomona and Claremont are tied for first place at 6-2, Oxy is in third at 5-3, and there's a tie for fourth between Caltech, Whittier, Redlands and Chapman, each at 4-4. ULV and CLU bring up the rear at 2-6 and 1-7. Top 4 in conference play make the SCIAC tournament.

Schedule for Wednesday, January 29, all games 7:00 pm
Caltech (6-11, 4-4 SCIAC) @ Whittier (9-8, 4-4)
Claremont (14-3, 6-2) @ Cal Lutheran (3-14, 1-7)
Chapman (12-5, 4-4) @ Oxy (13-4, 5-3)
La Verne (2-14, 2-6) @ Pomona (13-4, 6-2)

Redlands (11-6, 4-4) is idle.

OxyBob
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: greg21grimm on January 29, 2020, 01:07:47 AM
Never thought I would see the day when CLU is in last place after 1/2 through the SCIAC season.
https://thesciac.org/sports/mbkb/2019-20/standings

In just 3 years from 20 wins to 2
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 29, 2020, 09:49:52 PM
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Time for a marathon!

Thursday, Hoopsville will be on the air for at least nine hours in the 7th Annual Hoopsville Marathon Show.

This year's show will feature coaches, administrators, and many others around Division III to give us a sense of the season to date and what is to come. There is only a month or so left in the regular season, so there is plenty to talk about.

For more information about the show and its impact, click here.

The show's guest list is below with a rough idea of when they were scheduled to appear during the live show.

The marathon is also a chance to fundraise of the show. Many fans of Hoopsville ask often how they can give to the program so we can continue doing our work into the future. In the first few years of the Marathon, the fundraising side was an important aspect. However in the last few years, we have shyed away from fundraising as we tried to find other means to financially run the program. After requests from many, we are do have a few ways fans can contribute.

Hoopsville is presented by D3hoops.com and airs from the WBCA/NABC Studio. You can watch the entire Marathon show LIVE in the video player above. We will effort to turn around podcast episodes of the entire show. They will be available to the right (after the show is off the air).

Guests appear on the Hoopsville Hotline presented by BlueFrame Technology.

And don't forget to interact with the Dave and guests. You can use the social media option to the right and even email (dave.mchugh@d3sports.com) questions to the show.


When it comes to the game of basketball, we love celebrating not only the student-athletes in Division III, but also those who help carry the game forward sometimes outside of the spotlight.

Sunday on Hoopsville, we celebrate those who have made the game of basketball, especially at DIII, so great. Coaches who continue to excel in different parts of the country and programs who play for more than just themselves.

Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com) is presented by D3hoops.com and airs from the WBCA/NABC Studio. You can watch Thursday's Marathon Show in the following ways:
- Main page: www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville
- Show page: http://bit.ly/2GBqAuZ (or www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2019-20/marathon)
- Facebook Live Simulcast: www.facebook.com/Hoopsville
- YouTube Simulcast: www.youtube.com/d3hoopsville
- Team1 Sports: www.team1sports.com/Hoopsville/
- Team1 Sports app (https://team1sports.com/) (Android TV, Amazon Fire, Apple TV, Roku) - you will either find it under the "live" section or search for the Hoopsville channel

All men's coaches appear in the NABC Coach's Corner. And all guests are featured on the BlueFrame Technology Hoopsville Hotline.

If you have questions about Division III basketball, feel free to send them and we will answer them on a the show. Email them to dave.mchugh@d3sports.com or use any of the social media options.

Hoopsville Marathon Schedule
Timing approximate and subject to change

























Time (ET)GuestSchool/Institution
12:20 p.m.Jim CalhounSt. Joseph's (Conn.) men's coach
12:40 p.m.Pat JuckemNo. 11 WashU men's coach
1:00 p.m.Brian MorehouseNo. 3 Hope women's coach
1:20 p.m.Lauren BusalacchiRipon women's coach
1:40 p.m.Ryan HylandJohn Jay men's coach
2:00 p.m.Dan DutcherNCAA VP for Division III
2:40 p.m.Karin HarveyMontclair State women's coach, Women's National Committee chair
3:00 p.m.Adrienne ShiblesNo. 2 Bowdoin women's coach
3:20 p.m.Kate PearsonCabrini women's coach
3:40 p.m.Matt GilbrideRPI men's coach
4:00 p.m.Sam AtkinsonGallaudet Associate AD for Comm., Men's National Committee Chair
4:20 p.m.Matt DonohueCatholic women's coach
4:40 p.m.Charles KatsiaficasPomona-Pitzer men's coach
5:00 p.m.Jon HerbrechtsmeyerNo. 5 Bethel women's coach
5:20 p.m.Chris CarideoWidener men's coach
5:40 p.m.Dave HixonAmherst men's coach (sabbatical)
6:00 p.m.Tricia CullopWBCA Board President, Toledo women's coach
6:20 p.m.Alex RicheyNo. 18 Oglethorpe women's coach
6:40 p.m.Jody MayAlbion men's coach
7:00 p.m.Dave MacedoNo. 18 Virginia Wesleyan men's coach
7:20 p.m.Melissa KuberkaSt. John Fisher women's coach
8:00 p.m.HOOPSVILLE HAPPY HOUR A gaggle of some of the shows friends - to be announced
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on January 30, 2020, 10:25:40 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 26, 2020, 10:42:38 AM

Schedule for Wednesday, January 29, all games 7:00 pm
Caltech (6-11, 4-4 SCIAC) @ Whittier (9-8, 4-4)
Claremont (14-3, 6-2) @ Cal Lutheran (3-14, 1-7)
Chapman (12-5, 4-4) @ Oxy (13-4, 5-3)
La Verne (2-14, 2-6) @ Pomona (13-4, 6-2)

Redlands (11-6, 4-4) is idle.


Wednesday's SCIAC scores
Caltech 104 Whittier 78 -- 7 players in double figures for CIT.
Claremont 67 Cal Lutheran 51
Oxy 62 Chapman 51 -- Ryan Kaneshiro with 20 to lead Tigers.
Pomona 109 La Verne 83 -- Micah Elan with 41 for Pomona.

I went to the Claremont-CLU game Wednesday night. The first half was even for 15 minutes, but then CMS asserted itself and led 36-24 at halftime. In the second half the Stags had a comfortable 51-35 lead at 12:00. CLU outscored CMS 11-1 to cut the lead to 6 at 52-46 with 8 minutes left, but that was as close as the Kingsmen would get. Claremont went on its own 13-2 run to put the game away.

CLU had no answer for Claremont's 6'10" center Jeremy Horn, who had 17 points on 8 for 11 and 7 rebounds. Off the bench for CMS, Kele Mkpado had 13 and Josh Angle scored 11. CLU spread its scoring among 8 players; Cole Thomas led the Kingsmen with 9.

Claremont was uncharacteristically sloppy with 13 turnovers, and was only 9 for 16 FTs. CLU had its own problems with 17 turnovers, but made 16 of 22 from the free throw line.

Schedule for Saturday February 01, all games 2:00 p.m.
Claremont (15-3, 7-2 SCIAC) @ Whittier (9-9, 4-5)
Redlands (11-6, 4-4) @ Cal Lutheran (3-15, 1-8)
La Verne (2-15, 2-7) @ Caltech (7-11, 5-4)
Chapman (12-6, 4-5) @ Pomona-Pitzer (14-4, 7-2)

Oxy (14-4, 6-3) is idle.

OxyBob
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 01, 2020, 11:49:29 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on January 30, 2020, 10:25:40 AM
Schedule for Saturday February 01, all games 2:00 p.m.
Claremont (15-3, 7-2 SCIAC) @ Whittier (9-9, 4-5)
Redlands (11-6, 4-4) @ Cal Lutheran (3-15, 1-8)
La Verne (2-15, 2-7) @ Caltech (7-11, 5-4)
Chapman (12-6, 4-5) @ Pomona-Pitzer (14-4, 7-2)

Oxy (14-4, 6-3) is idle.

Saturday's SCIAC scores
Claremont 78 Whittier 67
Redlands 100 Cal Lutheran 61
Caltech 83 La Verne 56
Pomona 75 Chapman  63

Schedule for Wednesday, February 5
Oxy (14-4, 6-3 SCIAC) @ Redlands (12-6, 5-4) 7:00 p.m.
Cal Lutheran (3-16, 1-9) @ Chapman (12-7, 4-6) 7:00 p.m.
Whittier (9-10, 4-6) @ La Verne (2-16, 2-8) 7:00 p.m.
SCIAC GAME OF THE WEEK: Pomona (15-4, 8-2) @ Claremont (16-3, 8-2) 6:30 p.m.

Caltech (8-11, 6-4) is idle.

First place in the conference on the line at Claremont. If you haven't been to a Pomona vs. Claremont game, then I highly recommend you go. Always a great battle.

OxyBob
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BluesBrother on February 03, 2020, 12:44:31 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 01, 2020, 11:49:29 PM
First place in the conference on the line at Claremont. If you haven't been to a Pomona vs. Claremont game, then I highly recommend you go. Always a great battle.

+1. I wish I could make it to this one!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AlltheKINGSmen99 on February 03, 2020, 01:46:54 PM
Going to be a long time before my beloved CLU is relevant.
White appears to be extremely frustrated to say the least.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: greg21grimm on February 03, 2020, 08:05:50 PM
Quote from: AlltheKINGSmen99 on February 03, 2020, 01:46:54 PM
Going to be a long time before my beloved CLU is relevant.
White appears to be extremely frustrated to say the least.

They were relevant, even regionally ranked, 3 years ago. Go talk to Dan Kuntz (AD) or Chris Kimball (President).  More 30-40 pt losses in the last 3 years, than in the last 30 years (zero).
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AlltheKINGSmen99 on February 05, 2020, 09:52:05 AM
1 NCAA Tournament in 20 years of Rider.
I am hoping White is more in line with his coach, Mike Dunlap.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on February 05, 2020, 12:37:32 PM
Quote from: AlltheKINGSmen99 on February 05, 2020, 09:52:05 AM
1 NCAA Tournament in 20 years of Rider.
I am hoping White is more in line with his coach, Mike Dunlap.
I remember Mike.  I think just before he went to Australia.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on February 05, 2020, 01:12:24 PM
Caltech is on pace for their best season since 1953-54 (14-7).  8 wins would tie the mark hit three times in the 1990s.  Is this a function (ha) of Caltech being that much better this year or the conference being down overall from typical?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 05, 2020, 01:19:04 PM
Quote from: SpartyBlue on February 05, 2020, 01:12:24 PM
Caltech is on pace for their best season since 1953-54 (14-7).  8 wins would tie the mark hit three times in the 1990s.  Is this a function (ha) of Caltech being that much better this year or the conference being down overall from typical?

It is a function that the attitudes and tactics at CalTech have changed. It has been well documented that CalTech has taken a page out of the MIT book to try and improve athletics at the school. There are very good athletes who happen to be very good students as well. CalTech seems to have found their footing and are finally getting to where they had hoped to get to with a new perspective.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 05, 2020, 01:35:24 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 05, 2020, 01:19:04 PM
It is a function that the attitudes and tactics at CalTech have changed.

It's Caltech not CalTech. Thank you.

This article is from a few years ago, but it encapsulates what Doc Eslinger has brought to CIT.

https://www.si.com/college/2015/11/23/caltech-basketball-losing-streak-oliver-eslinger

OxyBob
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on February 05, 2020, 02:21:19 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 05, 2020, 01:19:04 PM
Quote from: SpartyBlue on February 05, 2020, 01:12:24 PM
Caltech is on pace for their best season since 1953-54 (14-7).  8 wins would tie the mark hit three times in the 1990s.  Is this a function (ha) of Caltech being that much better this year or the conference being down overall from typical?

It is a function that the attitudes and tactics at CalTech have changed. It has been well documented that CalTech has taken a page out of the MIT book to try and improve athletics at the school. There are very good athletes who happen to be very good students as well. CalTech seems to have found their footing and are finally getting to where they had hoped to get to with a new perspective.

Interesting, hadn't seen any of that.  So I assume you're saying they are a recruiting athletes who also happen to fit the Caltech academic profile, rather than just grabbing current or admitted students who happen to maybe have played basketball at some point?  Still, as per the article below, 99th percentile SAT requirements tend to shrink that pool.  Pretty neat to see them having some hoops success. Eslinger seems a quality coach.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 05, 2020, 02:30:08 PM
Basically. Look at what MIT has been able to do with basically the same mentality.

And I've been told by MIT coaches there are athletes on their campus that would improve their teams even more, but they choose not to play. You are still going to run into that, but people are surprise by how many athletes are out there that also want to be micro-biologists or some other insanely high tech degree.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 06, 2020, 12:40:13 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 01, 2020, 11:49:29 PM

Schedule for Wednesday, February 5
Oxy (14-4, 6-3 SCIAC) @ Redlands (12-6, 5-4) 7:00 p.m.
Cal Lutheran (3-16, 1-9) @ Chapman (12-7, 4-6) 7:00 p.m.
Whittier (9-10, 4-6) @ La Verne (2-16, 2-8) 7:00 p.m.
SCIAC GAME OF THE WEEK: Pomona (15-4, 8-2) @ Claremont (16-3, 8-2) 6:30 p.m.

Caltech (8-11, 6-4) is idle.

Wednesday's SCIAC scores
Pomona 81 Claremont 76 -- Pomona: James Kelbert 20, Matthew Eberle 18, Micah Elan 16 and 10 rebs. CMS: Miles President 19, Mitchell Kirsch 17, Josh Angle 15, Jeremy Horn 10.

Redlands 85 Oxy 60 -- UR: Parker Landolf 16, Griffin Barker 14, Hass Berry and Jack Roggin 13 each. Oxy:  Caleb Yellin-Flaherty and Jacob Adler 17 each, Anthony Hollerich 10.

Chapman 63 Cal Lutheran 43 -- Hayden Moore 27 on nine 3-pointers. CLU: Cole Thomas 15.

Whittier 93 La Verne 74 -- WC: 5 players in double figures, led by Amad Young with 23. ULV: 4 players in double figures, led by Jarid Taylor with 15.

Quote from: OxyBob on February 01, 2020, 11:49:29 PM
First place in the conference on the line at Claremont. If you haven't been to a Pomona vs. Claremont game, then I highly recommend you go. Always a great battle.

Pomona took the lead for good 45-42 at 14:50 of the second half, built the lead to 9, and fended off Claremont. The Sagehens won both conference games from the Stags.

SCIAC schedule for Saturday, February 8
Cal Lutheran (3-17, 1-10 SCIAC) @ Oxy (14-5, 6-4) 2:00 PM
Whittier (10-10, 5-6) @ Chapman (13-7, 5-6) 2:00 PM
Caltech (8-11, 6-4) @ Claremont (16-4, 8-3) 5:00 PM
Pomona (16-4, 9-2) @ Redlands (13-6, 6-4) 5:00 PM

Nonconference
UC Santa Cruz (9-13) @ La Verne (2-17, 2-9) 2:00 PM

Pomona in first place in SCIAC at 9-2, Claremont second at 8-3, then a 3-way tie between Redlands, Caltech and Oxy at 6-4. Top 4 make the conference tournament.

OxyBob

Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: greg21grimm on February 06, 2020, 01:07:13 AM
Quote from: AlltheKINGSmen99 on February 05, 2020, 09:52:05 AM
1 NCAA Tournament in 20 years of Rider.
I am hoping White is more in line with his coach, Mike Dunlap.

He is......
https://lmulions.com/sports/mens-basketball/schedule/2019-20

Now if youre referring to the CLU days, Coach White better start getting the Australian Institute of Sport to start sending and paying for their players to come over. Or getting 1.9/2.0 gpa transfers in.....like Dunlap did.

But if you graduated in 1999 from CLU, you never were part of the Dunlap era, nor did you go to school with Coach White, c/o '94.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 06, 2020, 03:52:42 PM
Quote from: greg21grimm on February 06, 2020, 01:07:13 AM
Now if youre referring to the CLU days, Coach White better start getting the Australian Institute of Sport to start sending and paying for their players to come over. Or getting 1.9/2.0 gpa transfers in.....like Dunlap did.

Going to be awhile before we see a CLU team with Meier-Innis-Knudsen-Grimm again.

OxyBob
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AlltheKINGSmen99 on February 07, 2020, 06:37:36 PM
I grew up in Thousand Oaks. Played pickup all summer with those teams. Went away to college and my mom got sick so came home and graduated CLU in 99...but you're right since my screen name in a message board is the wrong year for you, I must not know what I am talking about.

Did Rider go to more than one NCAA tournament in 20 years or did I miss something?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: greg21grimm on February 08, 2020, 11:14:33 AM
Quote from: AlltheKINGSmen99 on February 07, 2020, 06:37:36 PM
I grew up in Thousand Oaks. Played pickup all summer with those teams. Went away to college and my mom got sick so came home and graduated CLU in 99...but you're right since my screen name in a message board is the wrong year for you, I must not know what I am talking about.

Did Rider go to more than one NCAA tournament in 20 years or did I miss something?

Quote from: AlltheKINGSmen99 on February 21, 2019, 07:22:50 PM
First time poster.
Longtime lurker.
CLU grad of 99.

It amazes me that CMS and PP are able to compete and stay at the top of the league every year with their academic standards. Puzzles me why CLU and Redlands aren't better with much lower academic standards.

So playing pickup in the summer makes you an expert on the SCIAC and coaching in it? You didnt play in the league and you didnt coach in the league. Your last quote above sums up that you know very little about the league and how difficult it is to win consistently.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 09, 2020, 12:11:53 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 06, 2020, 12:40:13 AM
SCIAC schedule for Saturday, February 8
Cal Lutheran (3-17, 1-10 SCIAC) @ Oxy (14-5, 6-4) 2:00 PM
Whittier (10-10, 5-6) @ Chapman (13-7, 5-6) 2:00 PM
Caltech (8-11, 6-4) @ Claremont (16-4, 8-3) 5:00 PM
Pomona (16-4, 9-2) @ Redlands (13-6, 6-4) 5:00 PM

Nonconference
UC Santa Cruz (9-13) @ La Verne (2-17, 2-9) 2:00 PM

Saturday's SCIAC scores
Oxy 67 Cal Lutheran 61
Chapman 75 Whittier 56
Claremont 71 Caltech 49
Redlands 94 Pomona 77

Nonconference
UC Santa Cruz 76 La Verne 68

Schedule for Wednesday, February 12, all games 7:00 p.m.
Caltech (8-12, 6-5 SCIAC) @ Pomona (16-5, 9-3)
Claremont (17-4, 9-3) @ Oxy (15-5, 7-4)
Chapman (14-7, 6-6) @ Redlands (14-6, 7-4)
La Verne (2-18, 2-9) @ Cal Lutheran (3-18, 1-11)

Whittier (10-10, 5-6) is idle

Redlands is red hot. The Bulldogs won their 4th straight, blitzing Pomona with a 63-point 2nd half. With their loss, the Sagehens dropped into a tie with Claremont for first at 9-3. Redlands and Oxy are tied for third at 7-4. Then comes Caltech (6-5), Chapman (6-6), Whittier (5-6), La Verne (2-9) and CLU (1-11).

OxyBob
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 12, 2020, 03:11:48 PM
First Regional Rankings are out: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2020/02/men-regional-rankings-first
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 13, 2020, 10:41:08 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 13, 2020, 04:34:35 AM
QuoteSchedule for Wednesday, February 12, all games 7:00 p.m.
Caltech (8-12, 6-5 SCIAC) @ Pomona (16-5, 9-3)
Claremont (17-4, 9-3) @ Oxy (15-5, 7-4)
Chapman (14-7, 6-6) @ Redlands (14-6, 7-4)
La Verne (2-18, 2-9) @ Cal Lutheran (3-18, 1-11)

Wednesday's SCIAC scores
Pomona 70 Caltech 59
Oxy 58 Claremont 49
Redlands 87 Chapman 81
Cal Lutheran 76 La Verne 63

Saturday's SCIAC schedule
Oxy (16-5, 8-4 SCIAC) @ Whittier (10-11, 5-7) 2:00 PM
Chapman (14-8, 6-7) @ La Verne (2-19, 2-10) 2:00 PM
Cal Lutheran (4-18, 2-11) @ Pomona (17-5, 10-3) 5:00 PM
Redlands (15-6, 8-4) @ Caltech (8-13, 6-6) 5:00 PM

Claremont (17-5, 9-4) is idle

SCIAC standings: Pomona 10-3, Claremont 9-4, Redlands 8-4, Oxy 8-4, Caltech 6-6, Chapman 6-7, Whittier 5-7, La Verne 2-10, Cal Lutheran 2-11

OxyBob
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 16, 2020, 07:15:06 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 13, 2020, 10:41:08 AM
Saturday's SCIAC schedule
Oxy (16-5, 8-4 SCIAC) @ Whittier (10-11, 5-7) 2:00 PM
Chapman (14-8, 6-7) @ La Verne (2-19, 2-10) 2:00 PM
Cal Lutheran (4-18, 2-11) @ Pomona (17-5, 10-3) 5:00 PM
Redlands (15-6, 8-4) @ Caltech (8-13, 6-6) 5:00 PM

Saturday's scores
Oxy 78 Whittier 69 -- Oxy: Jacob Adler 28, Caleb Yellin-Flaherty 19 and 16 rebounds. Whittier: Ahmad Young 22.
Chapman 64 La Verne 54 -- Chapman: Hayden Moore 26. ULV: Sinai Enoch 22.
Pomona 85 Cal Lutheran 66 -- Pomona: Micah Elan 28. CLU: Cole Thomas 13.
Redlands 92 Caltech 75 -- UR: David Menary 17 and 10 rebounds. CIT: Marcus Gee 29.

Redlands won its 6th straight. Huge loss for Caltech. The Beavers now need a miracle to get a SCIAC tournament playoff spot. CIT led 56-53 with 10 minutes to go, but UR went on a 20-5 run and that was that.

Oxy has won 3 straight and 5 of 6.

Chapman kept its tournament hopes barely alive with a win over La Verne.

Pomona had a 15-2 second half run to put away Cal Lutheran.

Schedule for Wednesday, February 19, all games 7:00 PM
Cal Lutheran (4-19, 2-12 SCIAC) @ Caltech (8-14, 6-7)
SCIAC Game of the Week: Redlands (16-6, 9-4) @ Claremont (17-5, 9-4)
Oxy (17-5, 9-4) @ La Verne (2-20, 2-11)
Pomona (18-5, 11-3) @ Whittier (10-12, 5-8)

Chapman (15-8, 7-7) is idle.

SCIAC standings: Pomona 11-3, Oxy 9-4, Claremont 9-4, Redlands 9-4, Chapman 7-7, Caltech 6-7, Whittier 5-8, La Verne 2-11, Cal Lutheran 2-12

Top 4 teams make the SCIAC conference tournament. Right now Pomona looks like a lock for the No. 1 seed. If Oxy and Claremont end up in a tie, the Tigers have a leg up on the Stags because Oxy beat Pomona while CMS was swept by the Sagehens. On the other hand, Redlands has a leg up on Oxy because the Bulldogs swept OC. It's all very complicated.

OxyBob
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 19, 2020, 01:12:43 PM
Week 2's Regional Rankings are out: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2020/02/men-regional-rankings-second
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: greg21grimm on February 20, 2020, 02:14:55 AM
Quote from: AlltheKINGSmen99 on February 21, 2019, 07:22:50 PM
It amazes me that CMS and PP are able to compete and stay at the top of the league every year with their academic standards. Puzzles me why CLU and Redlands aren't better with much lower academic standards.

You forgot Cal Tech (twice)
https://www.gocaltech.com/sports/mbkb/2019-20/boxscores/20200219_nd26.xml?view=boxscore
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 20, 2020, 02:59:26 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 16, 2020, 07:15:06 AM
Schedule for Wednesday, February 19, all games 7:00 PM
Cal Lutheran (4-19, 2-12 SCIAC) @ Caltech (8-14, 6-7)
SCIAC Game of the Week: Redlands (16-6, 9-4) @ Claremont (17-5, 9-4)
Oxy (17-5, 9-4) @ La Verne (2-20, 2-11)
Pomona (18-5, 11-3) @ Whittier (10-12, 5-8)

Wednesday's scores
Caltech 64 Cal Lutheran 61
Redlands 82 Claremont 80
Oxy 81 La Verne 71
Pomona 97 Whittier 75

Schedule for Saturday, February 22
Claremont (17-6, 9-5) @ La Verne (2-21, 2-12) 2:00 PM
Chapman (15-8, 7-7) @ Caltech (9-14, 7-7) 2:00 PM
Redlands (17-6, 10-4) @ Whittier (10-13, 5-9) 5:00 PM
Oxy (18-5, 10-4) @ Pomona (19-5, 12-3) 5:00 PM

Cal Lutheran (4-20, 2-13) is idle.

SCIAC standings: Pomona 12-3, Oxy 10-4, Redlands 10-4, Claremont 9-5, Chapman 7-7, Caltech 7-7, Whittier 5-9, La Verne 2-12, Cal Lutheran 2-13.

Top 4 teams make the SCIAC conference tournament. Pomona, Oxy and Redlands have clinched spots in the tournament. Claremont can clinch a spot with a win in one of its last two games against La Verne and Chapman.

OxyBob
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on February 21, 2020, 01:47:17 PM
Redlands basketball is actually decent. Hey, it happens once every 20 years or so. The shadow of Gary Smith mediocrity still looms large.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 21, 2020, 02:38:01 PM
Quote from: RFB on February 21, 2020, 01:47:17 PM
Redlands basketball is actually decent. Hey, it happens once every 20 years or so. The shadow of Gary Smith mediocrity still looms large.

The Bulldogs have won 7 straight and 8 of 9. They have a ton of talent and can go 10 deep.

Please don't remind me about The System. You'll give me nightmares about Amir Mazarei.

Who will be the tournament champ and get the automatic bid to the NCAA playoffs? Pomona, Redlands, Claremont or Oxy? Impossible to predict.

OxyBob

Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on February 21, 2020, 10:14:02 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 21, 2020, 02:38:01 PM
Quote from: RFB on February 21, 2020, 01:47:17 PM
Redlands basketball is actually decent. Hey, it happens once every 20 years or so. The shadow of Gary Smith mediocrity still looms large.

The Bulldogs have won 7 straight and 8 of 9. They have a ton of talent and can go 10 deep.

Please don't remind me about The System. You'll give me nightmares about Amir Mazarei.

Who will be the tournament champ and get the automatic bid to the NCAA playoffs? Pomona, Redlands, Claremont or Oxy? Impossible to predict.

OxyBob

Amir Mazarei is probably dropping 50 a night in some adult rec league.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 23, 2020, 07:48:47 PM
Quote
Schedule for Saturday, February 22
Claremont (17-6, 9-5) @ La Verne (2-21, 2-12) 2:00 PM
Chapman (15-8, 7-7) @ Caltech (9-14, 7-7) 2:00 PM
Redlands (17-6, 10-4) @ Whittier (10-13, 5-9) 5:00 PM
Oxy (18-5, 10-4) @ Pomona (19-5, 12-3) 5:00 PM

Saturday's scores
Claremont 66 La Verne 56 -- CMS: Jeremey Horn 18
Caltech 71 Chapman 62 -- Down 10 at haltime, CIT puts up 47 in the second half to defeat CU.
Redlands 105 Whittier 90 -- UR: Griffin Baker 36 and 11 rebounds, David Menary 26 and 12 rebounds.
Pomona 80 Occidental 67 -- Interesting stat: Oxy did not shoot a free throw, while Pomona was 9 of 10.

Schedule for Tuesday, February 25, all games 7:00 PM
Caltech (10-14, 8-7 SCIAC) @ Oxy (18-6, 10-5)
Claremont (18-6, 10-5) @ Chapman (15-9, 7-8)
La Verne (2-22, 2-13) @ Redlands (18-6, 11-4)
Whittier (10-14, 5-10) @ Cal Lutheran (4-20, 2-13)

Pomona (20-5, 13-3) has completed its conference season.

Congratulations to Pomona and Coach Kat. The Sagehens were tops in the conference and will be the No. 1 seed in the 4-team conference tournament. Coach Kat's last 20-win season was in 97-98 when the Sagehens were 21-5. Redlands has won 8 straight, and unless the Bulldogs have a major malfunction against La Verne, the Bulldogs will finish second and be the No. 2 seed in the conference tournament. Oxy and Claremont will decide who's the No. 3 and 4 seeds on Tuesday, depending on how they do against Caltech and Chapman.

SCIAC standings: Pomona 13-3, Redlands 11-4, Oxy 10-5, Claremont 10-5, Caltech 8-7, Chapman 7-8, Whittier 5-10, La Verne 2-13, Cal Lutheran 2-13.

OxyBob
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on February 24, 2020, 06:05:39 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 23, 2020, 07:48:47 PM

Coach Kat's last 20-win season was in 97-98 when the Sagehens were 21-5.

OxyBob

I believe they went 26-3 last year as well. Good run back to back years for Pomona.


With the 4 teams set for the tournament, it's actually one of the more even tournaments the SCIAC has had since going to this format in 2008.

As it stands, Pomona and Redlands were 4-2 vs the other 3 tournament teams while CMS and Oxy were 2-4.

Redlands has come on strong with the introduction of Griffin Baker who is a big time freshman. They have gone on their run since inserting him into the starting lineup and he adds another dimension to an already dynamic team. Between him, Roggin, and Menary they are very dangerous offensively and extremely physical.

I think Pomona has the best player in the west coast in Micah Elan - he's dynamic and a big-time scorer. Combined with Preston in the middle and Kelbert who is a physical 3/4, surrounded with knock down shooters, they are a very complete team.

Oxy plays their style well. They play 6-7 guys and each player knows their role extremely well. Adler is their scorer with Shipp and Yellen-Flaherty being strong contributors. They have gotten some great play from their role players as well.

CMS has been interesting. They have some great pieces and have the ability to compete with any team, but have also struggled to play consistently. As with any other team, I do believe that they can beat any of the other teams and I would never bet against Scali in a game because of his preparation and experience. CMS is the only team that has made the conference tourney each year. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 24, 2020, 06:19:59 PM
Quote from: stag44 on February 24, 2020, 06:05:39 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 23, 2020, 07:48:47 PM
Coach Kat's last 20-win season was in 97-98 when the Sagehens were 21-5.
I believe they went 26-3 last year as well. Good run back to back years for Pomona.

You're right. When I looked at past records on d3hoops and NCAA both only showed records through 2017-2018, not last season, and I didn't pick up on it.

I agree with your analysis of the 4 tournament teams.

OxyBob
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 25, 2020, 02:37:21 PM
The Week 3 men's regional rankings are out: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2020/02/men-regional-rankings-third
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 26, 2020, 10:32:42 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 23, 2020, 07:48:47 PM
Schedule for Tuesday, February 25, all games 7:00 PM
Caltech (10-14, 8-7 SCIAC) @ Oxy (18-6, 10-5)
Claremont (18-6, 10-5) @ Chapman (15-9, 7-8)
La Verne (2-22, 2-13) @ Redlands (18-6, 11-4)
Whittier (10-14, 5-10) @ Cal Lutheran (4-20, 2-13)

Tuesday's scores
Caltech 58 Oxy 55 -- Marcus Gee's 3-pointer at the buzzer wins it for CIT.
Claremont 73 Chapman 63 -- Stags win and finish 3rd in SCIAC.    
Redlands 103 La Verne 73 -- Bulldogs rout ULV for 9th straight win.    
Whittier 82 Cal Lutheran 65 -- Poets led from start to finish.

Final regular season standings: Pomona (20-5, 13-3 SCIAC), Redlands (19-6, 12-4), Claremont (19-6, 11-5), Oxy (18-7, 10-6), Caltech (11-14, 9-7), Chapman (15-10, 7-9), Whittier (11-14, 6-10), Cal Lutheran (4-21, 2-14), La Verne (2-23, 2-14).

The SCIAC conference tournament will be this Friday and Saturday. Pomona is the No. 1 seed, followed by Redlands, Claremont and Oxy. Friday night Oxy will be at Pomona, and Claremont will be at Redlands. The winners play Saturday night at the highest remaining seed. The tournament winner gets the SCIAC's automatic bid to the D-III NCAA tournament.

OxyBob
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on February 26, 2020, 11:12:47 AM
Conference tourney matchups are set

(4) Oxy @ (1) Pomona
(3) CMS @ (2) Redlands

In both matchups during conference play, the teams split. I'll put out a preview later this week
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 28, 2020, 06:23:58 PM
Quote from: stag44 on February 26, 2020, 11:12:47 AM
In both matchups during conference play, the teams split. I'll put out a preview later this week

I'll put in my two cents. I've seen all four teams play.

Oxy @ Pomona
Oxy is the No. 4 tournament seed because they could not beat Caltech. The Tigers lost both conference games to CIT, and lost a nonconference game to the Beavers. I never thought I'd see a season in which Oxy went 0-3 against Caltech. As for the game at hand, Oxy and Pomona split their two games. Both won at home. In the game at Oxy, the Tigers won 87-73. Alex Preston did not play for the Sagehens. In the game at Pomona, the Sagehens won 80-67. Preston did play and scored 17 plus 9 rebounds. Oxy has lost 9 straight in the Rains Center.

Pomona is the better team with better players. To win Oxy will have to play its best game of the year and keep the game in the 60s.

Pick: Pomona.

Claremont @ Redlands
Redlands has won 9 straight and 10 of 11. The Bulldogs play up-tempo and score a lot. David Menary, Jack Roggin and Griffin Barker are about half of UR's offense. As for Claremont, the Stags are a constant in a changing world. Year after year they play their deliberate, crisp style on offense, and smother the other team on defense. Win or lose, it's always fun to watch Claremont play.

The teams split their two games, each winning on the road. This game is a toss-up, but Redlands is on a roll. Currier Gym is a tough place for visitors.

Pick: Redlands.

OxyBob
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 29, 2020, 11:26:04 AM
Last night's SCIAC tournament semifinal scores:

Pomona 60 Oxy 50 Final

QuotePick: Pomona.

In the first half, Oxy shot 26% and 0-for-8 on 3-pointers and trailed 29-16 at halftime. 16 points won't get it done. Pomoma led comfortably in the second half. Oxy did get close at 43-39 at 6:30, but the teams went 3-1/2 minutes without scoring until James Kelbert made a 3-ball at 3:00, followed by a layup by Adam Rees at 2:00 to make it 48-39 and that was that.

QuoteOxy and Pomona split their two games. Both won at home. In the game at Oxy, the Tigers won 87-73. Alex Preston did not play for the Sagehens. In the game at Pomona, the Sagehens won 80-67. Preston did play and scored 17 plus 9 rebounds.

Last night Preston scored 17 and had 13 rebounds. Micah Elan scored 17 and Adam Rees had 12. For Oxy: Caleb Yellin-Flaherty 16, Jacob Adler 12, Ryan Kaneshiro 10, Anthony Hollerich 10.

Oxy finishes the season 18-8. Pomona has won 5 straight and 8 of 9.

Redlands 68 Claremont 66 Final

QuotePick: Redlands.

QuoteThis game is a toss-up

Great game. Close throughout. UR's largest lead was 4, and Claremont's largest lead was 6.

QuoteDavid Menary, Jack Roggin and Griffin Barker are about half of UR's offense.

Menary 19, Roggin 4, Barker 21 = 44

To sum up the game: Redlands led 68-66 with a minute left. Roggin was fouled with 22 seconds to go, but missed both FTs and Mitchell Kirsch got the rebound for CMS. The Stags did not call timeout and went for the last shot. Miles President tried a 3-pointer with 3 seconds to go but missed.

QuoteRedlands is on a roll

Redlands won its 10th straight. Claremont finishes its season 19-7.

It'll be Redlands @ Pomona tonight at 7:00 p.m. for the SCIAC tournament championship and the SCIAC's automatic bid to the D-III NCAA tournament.

Pick: Redlands.

OxyBob
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on March 01, 2020, 10:53:11 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 29, 2020, 11:26:04 AM
It'll be Redlands @ Pomona tonight at 7:00 p.m. for the SCIAC tournament championship and the SCIAC's automatic bid to the D-III NCAA tournament.

Pick: Redlands.

Pomona 87 Redlands 66 Final

Congratulations to Pomona! The Sagehens routed Redlands to win the SCIAC tournament.

This one was not close. Pomona led all the way. They got off to a 15-2 lead, and led 46-25 at halftime. Redlands only shot 28% and 1-for-12 on 3-pointers in the first half. Pomona quickly started the second half 10-4 for a 56-29 lead, and the game was over.

Pomona: Micah Elan 22, Adam Rees 18, Alex Preston 13, Jack Boyle 10. UR: Griffin Barker 12, Kameron Wright 11, Aiden Williams 10.

The Sagehens are 22-5 and will find out where they'll be playing when the NCAA tournament bracket is announced on Monday. Redlands finished 20-7. I do not see a Pool C bid and a NCAA bracket spot in their future. I am not certain how the NCAA tournament committee decides pairings, but from past experience I am certain that whatever their decision, the SCIAC will get screwed.

OxyBob
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on March 02, 2020, 01:44:50 PM
Pomona heading out to Atlanta and playing Centre College in the first round - looking forward to seeing the Sagehens represent the SCIAC well.

It's a tough pod, but it's not crazy to see them coming out into the sweet 16 if they play well
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Teddy_Ballgame on March 02, 2020, 06:56:18 PM
Quote from: stag44 on March 02, 2020, 01:44:50 PM
Pomona heading out to Atlanta and playing Centre College in the first round - looking forward to seeing the Sagehens represent the SCIAC well.

It's a tough pod, but it's not crazy to see them coming out into the sweet 16 if they play well

An expected and welcome respite from the SCIAC being sent up to to Washington, with Whitman and Whitworth a notch below where they've been the last few years. An unfortunate consequence being that all three teams in the pacific time zone will be playing at least 2 time zones ahead, with Pomona three time zones away. Seems unusual for a first round pod, but such are the realities of putting together a tournament with the D3 map the way it is.

Pomona will play Friday at 2:00pm EST/11:00am PST. On one hand, it avoids having to play at 7:30pm EST/10:30pm PST and end well past midnight on the west coast. But what is, essentially, an 11:00 am start time would still have to be odd for a team whose game day preparation all season has been in expectation of an evening game. Curious how early they'll land in Georgia to start practicing and adjusting.

Either way, this team is the first Pomona team in recent memory with a core group who've experienced an NCAA tournament win. I expect them to be ready, and their first round matchup with Centre should be a good one. Centre is 24-4 and receiving the most votes of any team outside the top 25 in D3hoops.com rankings. They'll be busing about 350 miles down from Kentcuky, so their journey to Atlanta may take nearly as long as Pomona's.

Side note: a belated congratulations to the Hens' Micah Elan who, with his 1752nd career point in PP's semifinal game against Oxy, set the program record for points scored in a career (he now sits at 1782). Daniel Rosenbaum finished his career last year just 7 points shy of the record. Pretty incredible that they spent three years on the court together and were still able to amass such totals. 

Not surprisingly, Elan was named the SCIAC Player of the Year last month.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on March 02, 2020, 11:08:29 PM
Quote from: Teddy_Ballgame on March 02, 2020, 06:56:18 PM
Quote from: stag44 on March 02, 2020, 01:44:50 PM
Pomona heading out to Atlanta and playing Centre College in the first round - looking forward to seeing the Sagehens represent the SCIAC well.

It's a tough pod, but it's not crazy to see them coming out into the sweet 16 if they play well

An expected and welcome respite from the SCIAC being sent up to to Washington, with Whitman and Whitworth a notch below where they've been the last few years. An unfortunate consequence being that all three teams in the pacific time zone will be playing at least 2 time zones ahead, with Pomona three time zones away. Seems unusual for a first round pod, but such are the realities of putting together a tournament with the D3 map the way it is.

Pomona will play Friday at 2:00pm EST/11:00am PST. On one hand, it avoids having to play at 7:30pm EST/10:30pm PST and end well past midnight on the west coast. But what is, essentially, an 11:00 am start time would still have to be odd for a team whose game day preparation all season has been in expectation of an evening game. Curious how early they'll land in Georgia to start practicing and adjusting.

Either way, this team is the first Pomona team in recent memory with a core group who've experienced an NCAA tournament win. I expect them to be ready, and their first round matchup with Centre should be a good one. Centre is 24-4 and receiving the most votes of any team outside the top 25 in D3hoops.com rankings. They'll be busing about 350 miles down from Kentcuky, so their journey to Atlanta may take nearly as long as Pomona's.

Side note: a belated congratulations to the Hens' Micah Elan who, with his 1752nd career point in PP's semifinal game against Oxy, set the program record for points scored in a career (he now sits at 1782). Daniel Rosenbaum finished his career last year just 7 points shy of the record. Pretty incredible that they spent three years on the court together and were still able to amass such totals. 

Not surprisingly, Elan was named the SCIAC Player of the Year last month.

It's actually a nice change, rather the realities of the D3 map. As you said, a welcome respite not being shipped to the Pacific Northwest.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on March 03, 2020, 03:46:15 PM
Quote from: Teddy_Ballgame on March 02, 2020, 06:56:18 PM
Pomona will play Friday at 2:00pm EST/11:00am PST. On one hand, it avoids having to play at 7:30pm EST/10:30pm PST and end well past midnight on the west coast. But what is, essentially, an 11:00 am start time would still have to be odd for a team whose game day preparation all season has been in expectation of an evening game. Curious how early they'll land in Georgia to start practicing and adjusting.

Centre is 24-4 and receiving the most votes of any team outside the top 25 in D3hoops.com rankings. They'll be busing about 350 miles down from Kentcuky, so their journey to Atlanta may take nearly as long as Pomona's.

Please, let's not get into possible excuses for losing a game because of jet and bus travel and time zone changes. Best to leave those kind of excuses for Illinois Wesleyan.

Quote from: Teddy_Ballgame on March 02, 2020, 06:56:18 PM
Side note: a belated congratulations to the Hens' Micah Elan who, with his 1752nd career point in PP's semifinal game against Oxy, set the program record for points scored in a career (he now sits at 1782).   

Not surprisingly, Elan was named the SCIAC Player of the Year last month.

Elan is an awesome player. Easily POY and well-deserved. Here are all of the selections:

SCIAC Men's Basketball All-Conference Honors Announced
https://sciacawards.prestosports.com/sports/mbkb/2019-20/releases/20200227m1qnb0

Good luck to Pomona!

OxyBob
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 03, 2020, 04:19:41 PM
Quote from: Teddy_Ballgame on March 02, 2020, 06:56:18 PM
Quote from: stag44 on March 02, 2020, 01:44:50 PM
Pomona heading out to Atlanta and playing Centre College in the first round - looking forward to seeing the Sagehens represent the SCIAC well.

It's a tough pod, but it's not crazy to see them coming out into the sweet 16 if they play well

An expected and welcome respite from the SCIAC being sent up to to Washington, with Whitman and Whitworth a notch below where they've been the last few years. An unfortunate consequence being that all three teams in the pacific time zone will be playing at least 2 time zones ahead, with Pomona three time zones away. Seems unusual for a first round pod, but such are the realities of putting together a tournament with the D3 map the way it is.

Pomona will play Friday at 2:00pm EST/11:00am PST. On one hand, it avoids having to play at 7:30pm EST/10:30pm PST and end well past midnight on the west coast. But what is, essentially, an 11:00 am start time would still have to be odd for a team whose game day preparation all season has been in expectation of an evening game. Curious how early they'll land in Georgia to start practicing and adjusting.

Either way, this team is the first Pomona team in recent memory with a core group who've experienced an NCAA tournament win. I expect them to be ready, and their first round matchup with Centre should be a good one. Centre is 24-4 and receiving the most votes of any team outside the top 25 in D3hoops.com rankings. They'll be busing about 350 miles down from Kentcuky, so their journey to Atlanta may take nearly as long as Pomona's.

Side note: a belated congratulations to the Hens' Micah Elan who, with his 1752nd career point in PP's semifinal game against Oxy, set the program record for points scored in a career (he now sits at 1782). Daniel Rosenbaum finished his career last year just 7 points shy of the record. Pretty incredible that they spent three years on the court together and were still able to amass such totals. 

Not surprisingly, Elan was named the SCIAC Player of the Year last month.

I think the times you read were PST ... Pomona plays at 5:00 PM ET - 2:00 PM PT. The only game "early" on Friday is Yeshiva-WPI which will be at 1:00 PM ET due to the religious restrictions for Yeshiva (they must be to their hotel/rooms by sundown Friday night). The next game on the bracket will start at 3:30 PM ET.

Anyway ... 5:00 PM ET / 2:00 PM PT start for Pomona-Pitzer.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Teddy_Ballgame on March 06, 2020, 12:43:42 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 03, 2020, 04:19:41 PM
Quote from: Teddy_Ballgame on March 02, 2020, 06:56:18 PM
Quote from: stag44 on March 02, 2020, 01:44:50 PM
Pomona heading out to Atlanta and playing Centre College in the first round - looking forward to seeing the Sagehens represent the SCIAC well.

It's a tough pod, but it's not crazy to see them coming out into the sweet 16 if they play well

An expected and welcome respite from the SCIAC being sent up to to Washington, with Whitman and Whitworth a notch below where they've been the last few years. An unfortunate consequence being that all three teams in the pacific time zone will be playing at least 2 time zones ahead, with Pomona three time zones away. Seems unusual for a first round pod, but such are the realities of putting together a tournament with the D3 map the way it is.

Pomona will play Friday at 2:00pm EST/11:00am PST. On one hand, it avoids having to play at 7:30pm EST/10:30pm PST and end well past midnight on the west coast. But what is, essentially, an 11:00 am start time would still have to be odd for a team whose game day preparation all season has been in expectation of an evening game. Curious how early they'll land in Georgia to start practicing and adjusting.

Either way, this team is the first Pomona team in recent memory with a core group who've experienced an NCAA tournament win. I expect them to be ready, and their first round matchup with Centre should be a good one. Centre is 24-4 and receiving the most votes of any team outside the top 25 in D3hoops.com rankings. They'll be busing about 350 miles down from Kentcuky, so their journey to Atlanta may take nearly as long as Pomona's.

Side note: a belated congratulations to the Hens' Micah Elan who, with his 1752nd career point in PP's semifinal game against Oxy, set the program record for points scored in a career (he now sits at 1782). Daniel Rosenbaum finished his career last year just 7 points shy of the record. Pretty incredible that they spent three years on the court together and were still able to amass such totals. 

Not surprisingly, Elan was named the SCIAC Player of the Year last month.

I think the times you read were PST ... Pomona plays at 5:00 PM ET - 2:00 PM PT. The only game "early" on Friday is Yeshiva-WPI which will be at 1:00 PM ET due to the religious restrictions for Yeshiva (they must be to their hotel/rooms by sundown Friday night). The next game on the bracket will start at 3:30 PM ET.

Anyway ... 5:00 PM ET / 2:00 PM PT start for Pomona-Pitzer.

Ah, that makes a lot more sense. Thanks Dave!

No excuses then ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on March 06, 2020, 07:15:11 PM
Quote from: stag44 on March 02, 2020, 01:44:50 PM
Pomona heading out to Atlanta and playing Centre College in the first round - looking forward to seeing the Sagehens represent the SCIAC well.

It's a tough pod, but it's not crazy to see them coming out into the sweet 16 if they play well

Pomona 84 Centre 64 Final

Pomona: Micah Elan 23, Adam Rees 16, Alex Preston 12, Jack Boyle 12
Centre: Perry Ayers 19, Jakob Spitzer 15, Jacob Bates 12

Pomona shot 57% FG. The Sagehens were 11-for-18 on 3s, and 15-for-16 FTs. They led by 14 at halftime, and by 23 with 12 minutes left.

The Sagehens will face the winner of No. 10 Emory vs. Methodist in the second round.

Hooray for the SCIAC!

OxyBob
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Teddy_Ballgame on March 06, 2020, 07:23:28 PM
For the second year in a row, the Hens start the NCAA Tournament with a win! They played a great all-around game and won easily, 84-64.

OxyBob beat me to the game recap, but Pomona got off to a hot start and were in control for pretty much the whole game. After a Centre 3 pulled them within 7 with 3:54 to go in the first half, the Sagehens scored 7 straight points and the game never got back within single digits. Lots of open looks for the Hens from great ball movement, and Centre struggled to convert the few open opportunities they got on the offensive end (only 5 of 26 from 3).

Looking forward to what I'm sure will be a closer game tomorrow.

Chirp chirp!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D O.C. on March 07, 2020, 02:34:52 PM
QuoteOxyBob beat me to the game recap

You DO understand he's a Cyborg, right?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on March 07, 2020, 06:01:49 PM
Quote from: D O.C. on March 07, 2020, 02:34:52 PM
QuoteOxyBob beat me to the game recap
You DO understand he's a Cyborg, right?

http://datacore.sciflicks.com/terminator_2/sounds/terminator_2_cpu.wav

IllBeBackBob
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jack Parkman on March 07, 2020, 09:03:44 PM
Oh my goodness that was an amazing finish.  I watched a total of 24 seconds of the game and glad I tuned in when I did!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Teddy_Ballgame on March 07, 2020, 09:33:08 PM
Quote from: Jack Parkman on March 07, 2020, 09:03:44 PM
Oh my goodness that was an amazing finish.  I watched a total of 24 seconds of the game and glad I tuned in when I did!

LETS GO!!! What an ending!!! Smart basketball advancing the inbounds with only 2 seconds left, and then somehow the prayer with a hand in his face drops!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on March 07, 2020, 09:41:58 PM
Congratulations from a Centre supporter to Pomona-Pitzer and the SCIAC on getting through to the round of 16.  One very well executed play to pull out the victory!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on March 07, 2020, 11:10:52 PM
Quote from: stag44 on March 02, 2020, 01:44:50 PM
It's a tough pod, but it's not crazy to see them coming out into the sweet 16 if they play well

Way to go, Pomona!

Game of the Night: Pomona-Pitzer at the buzzer
https://d3hoops.com/playoffs/men/2020/game-of-the-night-pomona-pitzer

The Sagehens are the first SCIAC team to reach the Sweet 16 since Oxy made it to the Elite 8 in 2002-2003.

Next up for Pomona is Elmhurst.

Note to d3hoops: Fix your bracket.

OxyBob
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 08, 2020, 12:56:10 AM
The host sites for the men's Sweet 16 have been released: https://www.d3hoops.com/playoffs/men/2020/bracket and game times: https://www.d3hoops.com/seasons/men/2019-20/ncaa-tournament?date=2020-03-13 and https://www.d3hoops.com/seasons/men/2019-20/ncaa-tournament?date=2020-03-14

Bob -- email me next time. Already fixed.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Teddy_Ballgame on March 09, 2020, 04:05:09 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on March 07, 2020, 11:10:52 PM
Quote from: stag44 on March 02, 2020, 01:44:50 PM
It's a tough pod, but it's not crazy to see them coming out into the sweet 16 if they play well

The Sagehens are the first SCIAC team to reach the Sweet 16 since Oxy made it to the Elite 8 in 2002-2003.

OxyBob

Thanks Bob, I was actually wondering about this yesterday and was planning on asking the board. This is also the program's first ever Sweet 16 appearance.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: greg21grimm on March 10, 2020, 02:07:36 AM
Quote from: AlltheKINGSmen99 on March 11, 2019, 04:09:29 PM
When I said local recruiting I was more referring to the players from immediately around CLU that they never even recruited. When is the last time Ventura, Thousand Oaks, Oaks Christian, Westlake, Agoura, Calabasas had their players go to CLU. They have had guys that could make an impact in the SCIAC. The coaches I have come across in the area say it was rare to have CLU recruit their guys.

We do differ on if keeping Rider's staff intact was the answer. We agree that they made the wrong hire once the job was open.

Well Kingsmen99, I did a little research, and I cant find a single Ventura county player during Dunlap's tenure on CLUs rosters/stat sheets. So evidently that wasnt the magic potion to his success. You decided to leave so please enlighten me how Ventura county basketball puts CLU on the national scene.

Quote from: AlltheKINGSmen99 on February 05, 2020, 09:52:05 AM
1 NCAA Tournament in 20 years of Rider.

And I saw that Coach White won only one (1) league title in 14 years at Crespi. Now I know he did win 2 state titles, and that is impressive. However, 2nd, 3rd or 4th place in the SCIAC wont get him in the NCAA tournament. This isnt high school where you can schedule 15 wins a year, and then continue on without winning the conference.

Quote from: AlltheKINGSmen99 on February 05, 2020, 09:52:05 AM
I am hoping White is more in line with his coach, Mike Dunlap.
Be careful what you wish for: https://lmulions.com/news/2020/3/8/lmu-parts-ways-with-dunlap-begins-search-for-mens-basketball-head-coach.aspx
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on March 12, 2020, 04:41:14 PM
From the NCAA:

"Today, NCAA President Mark Emmert and the Board of Governors canceled the Division I men's and women's 2020 basketball tournaments, as well as all remaining winter and spring NCAA championships. This decision is based on the evolving COVID-19 public health threat, our ability to ensure the events do not contribute to spread of the pandemic, and the impracticality of hosting such events at any time during this academic year given ongoing decisions by other entities."

On behalf of the SCIAC, I declare Pomona to be the D-III NCAA men's champion by default. Congratulations to the Sagehens! Hooray for the SCIAC!

OxyBob
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 12, 2020, 04:44:11 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on March 12, 2020, 04:41:14 PM
From the NCAA:

"Today, NCAA President Mark Emmert and the Board of Governors canceled the Division I men's and women's 2020 basketball tournaments, as well as all remaining winter and spring NCAA championships. This decision is based on the evolving COVID-19 public health threat, our ability to ensure the events do not contribute to spread of the pandemic, and the impracticality of hosting such events at any time during this academic year given ongoing decisions by other entities."

On behalf of the SCIAC, I declare Pomona to be the D-III NCAA men's champion by default. Congratulations to the Sagehens! Hooray for the SCIAC!

OxyBob

In the same spirit as declaring Pomona the national champ: most years only one team (per sport) finishes the season with a win - this year scads of them did! ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 12, 2020, 05:27:22 PM
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Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on March 12, 2020, 05:39:59 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on March 12, 2020, 04:44:11 PM
In the same spirit as declaring Pomona the national champ: most years only one team (per sport) finishes the season with a win - this year scads of them did!

You should be thrilled the D-III tournament was canceled. Now you CCIW honks won't have to concoct one of your lame excuses to explain why Elmhurst lost at home to Pomona.

OxyBob
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on March 12, 2020, 11:03:22 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on March 12, 2020, 05:39:59 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on March 12, 2020, 04:44:11 PM
In the same spirit as declaring Pomona the national champ: most years only one team (per sport) finishes the season with a win - this year scads of them did!

You should be thrilled the D-III tournament was canceled. Now you CCIW honks won't have to concoct one of your lame excuses to explain why Elmhurst lost at home to Pomona.

OxyBob

LOL! +1k
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 12, 2020, 11:48:43 PM
"Honks"?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: augie77 on March 13, 2020, 12:09:21 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on March 12, 2020, 05:39:59 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on March 12, 2020, 04:44:11 PM
In the same spirit as declaring Pomona the national champ: most years only one team (per sport) finishes the season with a win - this year scads of them did!

You should be thrilled the D-III tournament was canceled. Now you CCIW honks won't have to concoct one of your lame excuses to explain why Elmhurst lost at home to Pomona.

OxyBob

Since you've brought up the competitiveness issue, the CCIW has six championships and 20 appearances in the Final Four.  What lame excuses do the SCIAC honks have for never getting to the Final Four dance?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Teddy_Ballgame on March 16, 2020, 03:02:54 PM
Quote from: augie77 on March 13, 2020, 12:09:21 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on March 12, 2020, 05:39:59 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on March 12, 2020, 04:44:11 PM
In the same spirit as declaring Pomona the national champ: most years only one team (per sport) finishes the season with a win - this year scads of them did!

You should be thrilled the D-III tournament was canceled. Now you CCIW honks won't have to concoct one of your lame excuses to explain why Elmhurst lost at home to Pomona.

OxyBob

Since you've brought up the competitiveness issue, the CCIW has six championships and 20 appearances in the Final Four.  What lame excuses do the SCIAC honks have for never getting to the Final Four dance?

Scheduling conflicts.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: augie77 on March 16, 2020, 03:14:08 PM
+K for your "lame" excuse.  lol
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on March 27, 2020, 07:33:39 PM
All SCIAC

https://www.thesciac.org/sports/mbkb/2019-20/releases/20200227m1qnb0
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AlltheKINGSmen99 on April 14, 2020, 03:38:44 PM
Redlands HC job is open.
Ducey is a local legend. Will be interesting to see which direction they go.
Word was the assistant they hired a few years back was being groomed to take over.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CMSfan on April 14, 2020, 07:09:22 PM
Quote from: AlltheKINGSmen99 on April 14, 2020, 03:38:44 PM
Redlands HC job is open.
Ducey is a local legend. Will be interesting to see which direction they go.
Word was the assistant they hired a few years back was being groomed to take over.

I'm guessing it won't be open long, but I'd be surprised if they promoted an assistant. Very curious to see what comes out of Redlands in the next few days. That can be a really attractive job!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AlltheKINGSmen99 on April 15, 2020, 11:52:36 AM
Strong rumors that Bridgeland is leaving Whitman for Redlands ...
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Smitty Oom on April 15, 2020, 11:58:48 AM
Wow that would be a big move! Wonder what his main reasons for the move would be.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BluesBrother on April 15, 2020, 02:51:40 PM
If true, Redlands basketball will be a force to be reckoned with in the near future...
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 15, 2020, 02:54:49 PM
Quote from: Smitty Oom on April 15, 2020, 11:58:48 AM
Wow that would be a big move! Wonder what his main reasons for the move would be.

After coaching at Pepperdine, I'd like to come back to SoCal as well.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CMSfan on April 15, 2020, 05:15:14 PM
Bridgeland to Redlands is official: https://www.goredlands.com/sports/mbkb/2019-20/releases/20200415no2d4i

SCIAC just got even more interesting...
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on April 17, 2020, 11:21:29 PM
Interesting comments about Popovich and his days at Pomona.

  https://getpocket.com/explore/item/the-five-pillars-of-popovich?utm_source=pocket-newtab
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on April 20, 2020, 01:40:25 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on April 15, 2020, 02:54:49 PM
Quote from: Smitty Oom on April 15, 2020, 11:58:48 AM
Wow that would be a big move! Wonder what his main reasons for the move would be.
After coaching at Pepperdine, I'd like to come back to SoCal as well.

Understand the sentiment, but geographically Pepperdine overlooks the Pacific Ocean, while Redlands overlooks Yucaipa. Not quite the same.

OxyBob
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 20, 2020, 04:58:46 PM
Agreed. But the choice wasn't between Redlands and Pepperdine. It was between Redlands and Whitman.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 10Freeway on May 12, 2020, 12:00:13 PM
Great hire by Redlands, a school that has shown it can win consistently in other programs.  Hearing some people may not be too happy on campus. Supposedly there is a diversity committee for hiring people on campus, but this move was made too quickly and never flew by HR.  So the hiring committee was never notified.  A private school can do whatever they want and they got a good one.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on May 15, 2020, 04:36:01 PM
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With the number of significant retirements on the men's side of Division III basketball, there is plenty to talk about in the month of May. Thus, we needed a "Part 2" this month.

On this "Hoopsville Podcast: May Edition (Part 2)", we talk about what is arguably one of the most significant retirement classes of coaches in the history of Division III - especially on the men's side of things.

Pat Coleman, Ryan Scott, and Bob Quillman join Dave McHugh to chat about those who retired, the number of wins and the high-level of success they had, and even if trying to have a Mt. Rushmore of DIII coaching who might be considered (some coaches you may have forgotten about are mentioned).

Plus - if not for the number of significant retirements, the biggest news in Division III off-season so far would likely be Eric Bridgeland picking up and moving to Southern California. Bridgeland joins Dave to talk about his Whitman program, the success, and the decision to start anew at Redlands and the SCIAC.

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Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on May 22, 2020, 11:52:48 AM
Quote from: 10Freeway on May 12, 2020, 12:00:13 PM
Great hire by Redlands, a school that has shown it can win consistently in other programs.  Hearing some people may not be too happy on campus. Supposedly there is a diversity committee for hiring people on campus, but this move was made too quickly and never flew by HR.  So the hiring committee was never notified.  A private school can do whatever they want and they got a good one.

Redlands HR and the diversity committee can pound sand. Redlands hoops has been an underperforming afterthought going back to the highly overrated Gary Smith days which ran 20 years too long.

Jeff Martinez had an opportunity to get one of the best basketball coaches in all divisions, so this move should be applauded by everyone. I'm looking forward to watching Redlands basketball again, and I'm sure I'm not the only one.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AlltheKINGSmen99 on June 01, 2020, 04:46:19 PM
Anxious to see CLU's list of 14 recruits. Can't bode well for those on the roster which bodes well for the future of the program.
Not a fan of Coach White's insistence on releasing them all at once...seems to have lost a lot of steam and who knows who King Bridgeland has been able to swipe away.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on August 10, 2020, 05:08:45 PM
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The off season has hit August and with it has come news of Division III Fall Championships being canceled for the same reason Winter Championships were derailed and Spring Championships pulled earlier this year: COVID 19 Pandemic.

The decision came on the heals of a vast majority of DIII institutions curtailing fall sports and many pushing winter sports starts on their campuses until January at the earliest.

What does this mean for the 2020-21 season of college basketball? Specifically what does it mean for Division III? Will there be a basketball season? Will it be a six-week-or-so-sprint? Or is there a way to adjust things?

On the Mid-Summer edition of the Hoopsville Podcast, we try and get some answers to those questions. We talk to one coach who actually has put together a proposal to start the season in January, with some changes to make it work including crowning a champion in April. And we talk to an administrator who also serves on the DIII Management Council to better under stand the decisions made to cancel championships and if shift a season like basketball is even possible.

Plus, we honor the best of the best in the last decade of Division III women's basketball. Gordon Mann joins us to discuss how the 2nd D3hoops.com Women's All-Decade came together (and hints of work on the men's list).

Guests include:
- Philip Ponder, Oglethorpe men's coach
- Jason Fein, Bates Athletics Director and DIII Management Council member
- Gordon Mann, D3hoops.com Senior Editor

And of course, there is always the Hoopsville Notebook. A few things we take note of that have made headlines since the beginning of July. We also tip our hat to a few of those who have always helped the show be it's best.

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Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jaybird44 on October 29, 2020, 07:24:36 PM
Hello friends!

It seems that I have been the only member of the only (unofficial) fall sport at WashU, with my 100-mile ultramarathon attempt earlier this month to promote the fight for a cure during Rett Syndrome Awareness Month.  That attempt fell a bit short in miles and fundraising, so I'm going into overtime to try and reach $5,000 in donations.

Rett Gets Rocked 50K for $5K will commence Friday, October 30 at 8 pm Central, and end at 8 am Halloween morning.  Counting donations received (thanks to retired WashU men's basketball coach Mark Edwards and his wife Mary, and to Mike McGrath and his  University of Chicago men's basketball program for their donations!) and those yet to be sent and processed, I am at $4,440.53.  Very, very close to my goal...which will fund a researcher's work for a month.  Wouldn't it be cool if he or she cracked the code for a cure of Rett syndrome, on our dime?!

I reached 86 miles in my "Rett Gets Rocked Virtual Ultra Weekend" October 3-4.  I'm very proud of that result, but there's more work to be done.  Proceeds from the event will be split between Rettsyndrome.org (the only national organization spearheading research and providing resources for affected patients and their families) and the Rett Spectrum Clinic--a collaboration between the WashU School of Medicine and St. Louis Children's Hospital.

Rett syndrome is a rare, non-inherited neurological disorder that is caused by a gene mutation in the brain.  Rett strikes typically when a child is 6-18 months old, and it has the characteristics of ALS, autism, epilepsy, and Parkinson's...all rolled into one sinister disorder.
It takes away the child's ability to move and communicate.  Most of them end up in wheelchairs with active minds, but mired in the physical rubble that Rett creates.  And, the neurological damage prevents verbal communication and arm and hand movement for sign language.

In essence, Rett does to a child what Lucy in the "Peanuts" comic strip does to Charlie Brown when he tries to kick the football that she is holding.  The only difference is that Charlie Brown can get back up to try again.  Those who are afflicted with Rett syndrome don't get another chance to enjoy a vibrant life.

Researchers are working to re-engineer the gene mutation that turns on Rett, so it can be forever turned off.  Four drug therapies are in the FDA review pipeline, with one (trofanitide) one level away from review.  And, iPad tablets with retinal scan technology are giving those with Rett a voice they haven't had since they were toddlers.

The full court press on Rett is paying off.  You can help keep the pressure on Rett, by going to my Rett Racers donation page:  https://rettracer.everydayhero.com/us/rett-gets-rocked-2020

Thanks for your time and consideration, and let's hope that we get back to playing and broadcasting sports much sooner than later!

Jay Murry
Play-By-Play Announcer, Washington University in St. Louis
Event Director, Rett Gets Rocked 50K for $5K
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on November 17, 2020, 12:19:43 PM
Quote from: AlltheKINGSmen99 on June 01, 2020, 04:46:19 PM
Anxious to see CLU's list of 14 recruits. Can't bode well for those on the roster which bodes well for the future of the program.
Not a fan of Coach White's insistence on releasing them all at once...seems to have lost a lot of steam and who knows who King Bridgeland has been able to swipe away.

Nothing doing on the SCIAC website about basketball.

Pomona is still NCAA champ. Way to go, Sagehens!

OxyBob
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on November 30, 2020, 03:16:47 PM
In addition, the following schools indvidually have said they will not be participating in winter sports:
Carleton (MIAC)
Gallaudet (NEAC)
Maine Maritime, delaying sports until end of February (NAC)
Mass-Boston (LEC)
Occidental (SCIAC)
Salem (USAC)
St. Olaf (MIAC)
Swarthmore (Centennial)
Western Connecticut (LEC)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 30, 2020, 07:15:44 PM
We have an ongoing list: https://www.d3sports.com/notables/2020/11/winter-is-coming-but-who-will-play
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on November 30, 2020, 07:42:09 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 30, 2020, 07:15:44 PM
We have an ongoing list: https://www.d3sports.com/notables/2020/11/winter-is-coming-but-who-will-play
That is where I got it.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on December 01, 2020, 08:30:30 PM
Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference called off conference competition, saying, "Institutions have the autonomy to decide whether they wish to permit conditioning, practicing, and other forms of competition as it relates to fall and winter sports during this spring semester."
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 02, 2020, 10:27:43 AM
Quote from: Gray Fox on November 30, 2020, 07:42:09 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 30, 2020, 07:15:44 PM
We have an ongoing list: https://www.d3sports.com/notables/2020/11/winter-is-coming-but-who-will-play
That is where I got it.

I want to make sure people know where they can find the ongoing list ... and we could use the page hits.

FYI: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2020/12/d3sports-needs-your-help
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on December 22, 2020, 03:18:09 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on December 01, 2020, 08:30:30 PM
"Institutions have the autonomy to decide whether they wish to permit conditioning, practicing, and other forms of competition as it relates to fall and winter sports during this spring semester."

Does Oxy still have sports?

OxyBob
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 22, 2020, 07:23:12 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on December 22, 2020, 03:18:09 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on December 01, 2020, 08:30:30 PM
"Institutions have the autonomy to decide whether they wish to permit conditioning, practicing, and other forms of competition as it relates to fall and winter sports during this spring semester."

Does Oxy still have sports?

OxyBob

No - canceled several weeks ago for fall and winter. SCIAC followed up the next day with conference competition called off. I am told a majority if the conference has followed suit and called things off. Unofficially, I think CalLu and Redlands may be the only ones trying to play a non-conference season, though La Verne is a question mark. And others could change, but those in LA County are all probably out.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 26, 2021, 08:25:02 AM
The story has been told before, but the LA Times' Chris Ballard has a fine writeup of Gregg Popovich's first year coaching Pomona-Pitzer (https://www.latimes.com/sports/story/2021-03-25/gregg-popovich-pomona-caltech-losing-streak-spurs) and that year's loss to CalTech, which broke their (at the time) record losing streak of 99 games.   Lots of interviews with the players involved on both sides.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on November 10, 2021, 03:37:07 PM
Caltech 63 Oxy 61
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on November 14, 2021, 10:40:03 PM
Quote from: SpartyBlue on November 10, 2021, 03:37:07 PM
Caltech 63 Oxy 61

Oxy followed up the loss to CIT with a 89-70 loss to NAIA-1 Westmont College.

Next up for Oxy is a home game against Cal Miramar this Saturday at 5:00 p.m.

OxyBob
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on November 15, 2021, 12:10:47 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on November 14, 2021, 10:40:03 PM
Quote from: SpartyBlue on November 10, 2021, 03:37:07 PM
Caltech 63 Oxy 61

Oxy followed up the loss to CIT with a 89-70 loss to NAIA-1 Westmont College.

Next up for Oxy is a home game against Cal Miramar this Saturday at 5:00 p.m.

OxyBob
Cal Miramar lost to Whittier Saturday 11/13  by  123-74
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on December 01, 2021, 04:41:01 PM
CLU is doing quite well so far.  They have almost cracked the top 25 and are looking forward to a game with UC Santa Barbara.

Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on December 01, 2021, 11:37:28 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on December 01, 2021, 04:41:01 PM
CLU is doing quite well so far.  They have almost cracked the top 25 and are looking forward to a game with UC Santa Barbara.

They beat Oxy 76-60 tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: greg21grimm on December 05, 2021, 10:49:57 AM
Quote from: Gray Fox on December 01, 2021, 04:41:01 PM
CLU is doing quite well so far.  They have almost cracked the top 25 and are looking forward to a game with UC Santa Barbara.

They finally played a team with a winning record.
https://d3hoops.com/seasons/men/2021-22/boxscores/20211204_zkq3.xml
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: olddog on December 20, 2021, 03:32:46 PM
Impressed by UR last friday, they hung tough with Cal State Fullerton...They did not shoot well in the first half but came back in the second. Program looks like its on the rise.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on January 27, 2022, 01:34:02 PM
MASKS:

Oxy wears masks on the court.
ULV has them pulled down while playing.

Others don't wear them on the court.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: greg21grimm on January 31, 2022, 12:22:24 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on January 27, 2022, 01:34:02 PM
MASKS:

Oxy wears masks on the court.
ULV has them pulled down while playing.

Others don't wear them on the court.

And you wonder why there is a mass exodus in California..........
LA County rules vs Riverside/Ventura County.....
Cal Tech administration is not allowing non-vaccinated players (home or visitors) to play in their gym.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 01, 2022, 07:30:37 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on January 27, 2022, 01:34:02 PM
Oxy wears masks on the court.

Oxy even brags about it:

QuoteIn Occidental's game this last Monday the players wore N-95s to compete against West Coast Baptist - this, however, did not hinder their performance.

https://oxyathletics.com/sports/mbkb/2021-22/releases/20220106ofxyhb

However, scroll through all of the pictures on the Oxy b-ball website and you'll not find a player in a mask.

OxyBob

Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 01, 2022, 07:37:33 PM

At least in their defense, N95s seem to be the only masks that actually do anything in terms of transmission prevention.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 01, 2022, 09:39:21 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 01, 2022, 07:37:33 PM

At least in their defense, N95s seem to be the only masks that actually do anything in terms of transmission prevention.

ALL masks (even home-made cloth ones) do SOMETHING for transmission prevention.  ANY mask is better than no mask.  N95s appear to be the best, but do not denigrate other masks.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: greg21grimm on February 01, 2022, 11:03:29 PM
Athletes wearing masks during competition is most ludicrous rule ever enforced.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 02, 2022, 07:52:08 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on February 01, 2022, 09:39:21 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 01, 2022, 07:37:33 PM

At least in their defense, N95s seem to be the only masks that actually do anything in terms of transmission prevention.

ALL masks (even home-made cloth ones) do SOMETHING for transmission prevention.  ANY mask is better than no mask.  N95s appear to be the best, but do not denigrate other masks.

True. I missed the caveat "over time." We're just seeing more and more analsys of actual transmission that indicates if you're close to somebody for a half hour or more, the cloth masks move increasingly towards uselessness.

I'll be very fascinated to see how we're able to process what we learn about what helped and what didn't after we're able to analyze these last two years.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 02, 2022, 10:17:17 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 02, 2022, 07:52:08 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on February 01, 2022, 09:39:21 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 01, 2022, 07:37:33 PM

At least in their defense, N95s seem to be the only masks that actually do anything in terms of transmission prevention.

ALL masks (even home-made cloth ones) do SOMETHING for transmission prevention.  ANY mask is better than no mask.  N95s appear to be the best, but do not denigrate other masks.


True. I missed the caveat "over time." We're just seeing more and more analsys of actual transmission that indicates if you're close to somebody for a half hour or more, the cloth masks move increasingly towards uselessness.

I'll be very fascinated to see how we're able to process what we learn about what helped and what didn't after we're able to analyze these last two years.
I will tell you what helped, but I would recommend you watch the 3-hour Joe Rogan podcast with Dr Peter McCullough, whose multi-faceted approach published online in Dec 2020 outlined the course and the pathophysiology of the disease, (put "McCullough" and "Multifaceted" into your browser to go his open access publication in Reviews in Cardiovascular Medicine, Dec 2020). Also watch the 3-hour Joe Rogan podcast with Dr Robert Malone who holds patents in mRNA vaccines.

In April 2020, the Indian Council for Medical Research (ICMR) published an algorithm that offered off-label use of hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) for early symptomatic use. If you look at the mortality timeline for India at worldometers.info/coronavirus thru 2020 you see that the mortality rate from COVID was 15 times higher in the US than India. The same could be said for Indonesia as well. If you follow the timeline for India in 2021 (1.4 Billion people) when Delta hit, one sees rapid increase beginning about Mar 17. By May 17, the mortality rate peaked at 5000 per day; the ICMR released a new algorithm that offered off-label use of HCQ or Ivermectin. The death rate fell 90% in the next 2 months across the country except in one state in India where the government withheld its use. Even now, the Death rate in India is only 13% of the US today, roughly 8-1 US. The same can be said for Indonesia (Pop. 278M), which was chastised by the WHO for using HCQ in May 2020. The US death rate is 5 times higher than Indopnesia

Look at Bangladesh, 140M people crammed into an area the size of Iowa. Resource poor Bangladesh used Betadine gargles and "Neti-pot" nasal irrigation to kill the virus on contact. The Randomized Control Trial giving the evidence is by Choudhury.

3 December 2020 - Early treatment study
Effect of 1% Povidone Iodine Mouthwash/Gargle, Nasal and Eye Drop in COVID-19 patient
Choudhury et al., Bioresearch Communications, Volume 7, Issue 1, January 2021 (Peer Reviewed)

To date, the death rate in the US is 16 times higher than Bangladesh.

The world's literature on COVID can be found at c19early.com.
IMHO, if you want one paper to read, it is McCullough's.

https://imrpress.com/journal/RCM/21/4/10.31083/j.rcm.2020.04.264

The way to defeat COVID is the use of an ionophore such as HCQ, Ivermectin or the bioflavonoid, Quercetin**. An ionophore opens the door of the cell to allow the Zinc to enter to stop the replication of the virus. Dr Fauci has known that medical principle since the days of HIV in the 1980's. As soon as the HIV virus is detected, you stop the viral replication and knock down the viral load with your drug-du-jour. It is the same with influenza and Tamiflu. The worse thing that you can do is send someone home with COVID to get sicker and allow the virus the do more damage to the body. The viral infection sis essentially spent aby 7-10 days. by then we are dealing with damage that the virus did to the body.

**One can buy Dr Viktor Zelenko's nutraceutical cocktail, Z-stack, online. This contains his combination of Quercetin, Vitamin D3, Vitamin C and Zinc. Dr Zelenko has had very dramatic "cure/survival" rates with his use of this combination early. During outbreaks, you can use this product daily.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 02, 2022, 11:39:29 AM
Quote from: greg21grimm on February 01, 2022, 11:03:29 PM
Athletes wearing masks during competition is most ludicrous rule ever enforced.

Oxy is pretty darn ludicrous these days.

OxyBob
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 02, 2022, 02:19:40 PM

I stopped reading at "Joe Rogan..."
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 02, 2022, 05:29:33 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 02, 2022, 02:19:40 PM

I stopped reading at "Joe Rogan..."
Then Ryan, I am very disappointed. I expect a D3boards reader to review with serious eye any link that will help with discussion. I had never seen Joe Rogan and was not familiar with his work. In these 2 interviews, Mr Rogan was very well prepared.

He asked pertinent questions in a manner that reasonably educated people could understand the science behind the discussion. He covered all aspects of the COVID issue in the 2 interviews.

In the case that Mr Rogan is a "no-go", then I encourage fellow readers to view Dr McCullough's testimony before Congress on CSPAN in Nov 2020.

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=peter+mccullough+cspan&docid=608029445038542044&mid=765AACD8B70E52F80B1F765AACD8B70E52F80B1F&view=detail&FORM=VIRE

Here is Dr McCullough's testimony before HHS Committee of the Texas Senate in Spring of 2021.

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=peter+mccullough+cspan&docid=608035578259526022&mid=200CDFC86C57155EC8D7200CDFC86C57155EC8D7&view=detail&FORM=VIRE

Here is Sen Ron Johnson's Video from last month's testimony from Dr McCullough and Dr Malone.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=9jMONZMuS2U

Here is the 5 hour hearing that Sen Ron Johnson held last week. The pertinent material begins at 40 minutes.

https://rumble.com/vt62y6-covid-19-a-second-opinion.html
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: greg21grimm on February 02, 2022, 07:59:21 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 02, 2022, 02:19:40 PM

I stopped reading at "Joe Rogan..."

I stopped reading when I see "Ryan Scott." How does that feel?

Way to have an open mind.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 02, 2022, 08:40:09 PM
Quote from: greg21grimm on February 02, 2022, 07:59:21 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 02, 2022, 02:19:40 PM

I stopped reading at "Joe Rogan..."

I stopped reading when I see "Ryan Scott." How does that feel?

Way to have an open mind.

An 'open mind' does NOT equate to an 'empty mind'.  Joe Rogan has approximately the credibility of 'Joe Goebbels.'  As Spotify is beginning to understand. :o
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jack Parkman on February 02, 2022, 10:26:09 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 02, 2022, 11:39:29 AM
Quote from: greg21grimm on February 01, 2022, 11:03:29 PM
Athletes wearing masks during competition is most ludicrous rule ever enforced.

Oxy is pretty darn ludicrous these days.

OxyBob

At least they putting pronouns on the baseball roster...
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 03, 2022, 11:34:43 AM
The Hoopsville Marathon is here!

(https://cdn.prestosports.com/action/cdn/img/mw=710/cr=n/d=6pwgx/r9wqvnwufi9rtj30.jpg)

The show is hitting the air at 12:00 PM ET and going for at least NINE hours for the 8th Annual Hoopsville Marathon Show.

Show link: www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2021-22/marathon

This year's show featured coaches, administrators, student-athletes, and many others around Division III who gave us a sense of the season to date and what is to come. There is only a month or so left in the regular season, so there was plenty to talk about.

The marathon is also a chance to celebrate the final month of the Division III basketball regular season.

Guests include (in order of appearance, subject to change):
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 03, 2022, 02:28:20 PM
Quote from: Jack Parkman on February 02, 2022, 10:26:09 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 02, 2022, 11:39:29 AM
Quote from: greg21grimm on February 01, 2022, 11:03:29 PM
Athletes wearing masks during competition is most ludicrous rule ever enforced.
Oxy is pretty darn ludicrous these days.
At least they putting pronouns on the baseball roster...

That is histerical. Helarious.

OxyBob
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on February 03, 2022, 03:00:46 PM
Quote from: Jack Parkman on February 02, 2022, 10:26:09 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on February 02, 2022, 11:39:29 AM
Quote from: greg21grimm on February 01, 2022, 11:03:29 PM
Athletes wearing masks during competition is most ludicrous rule ever enforced.

Oxy is pretty darn ludicrous these days.

OxyBob

At least they putting pronouns on the baseball roster...
But at least they aren't putting them on the football roster.  Thanks Jaime.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: olddog on February 04, 2022, 10:57:28 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on February 02, 2022, 08:40:09 PM
Quote from: greg21grimm on February 02, 2022, 07:59:21 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 02, 2022, 02:19:40 PM

I stopped reading at "Joe Rogan..."

I stopped reading when I see "Ryan Scott." How does that feel?

Way to have an open mind.


Is the John Hopkins study wrong too ?

An 'open mind' does NOT equate to an 'empty mind'.  Joe Rogan has approximately the credibility of 'Joe Goebbels.'  As Spotify is beginning to understand. :o
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on February 07, 2022, 02:07:37 PM
Quote from: Jack Parkman on February 02, 2022, 10:26:09 PM
At least they putting pronouns on the baseball roster...

Hit/No hit

Quote from: Gray Fox on February 03, 2022, 03:00:46 PM
But at least they aren't putting them on the football roster.  Thanks Jaime.

ZING!

OxyBob
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: greg21grimm on February 08, 2022, 07:42:30 PM
Congrats to Coach Eslinger at Cal Tech. He finally got the albatross off his neck by beating CMS last night. He has now beaten all the SCIAC teams.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 15, 2022, 03:55:26 PM
Week 2 Regional Rankings - which are ranked now: https://d3hoops.com/notables/2022/02/men-regional-rankings-first
Title: MBB: SCIAC All Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on February 23, 2022, 04:59:50 PM

https://www.thesciac.org/sports/mbkb/2021-22/releases/20220222sbz5wk
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Teddy_Ballgame on February 28, 2022, 06:16:50 PM
Congrats to the Sagehens on their third consecutive SCIAC Championship! Off to Chicago to play Northwestern (Minn)

https://www.sagehens.com/sports/mbkb/2021-22/releases/20220227u9hhit (https://www.sagehens.com/sports/mbkb/2021-22/releases/20220227u9hhit)

And glad to see the SCIAC get some love with an at-large bid for Chapman after losing to PP in the conference 'ship yesterday.

As a reminder the Hens made it to the Sweet 16 in 2020 before the tournament was shutdown, beating Emory in the second round on an insane buzzer-beater three: https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/29120254?fbclid=IwAR1GaH_rGgFuD6-pCyYeOeBVpoKdUcreNNEywIRzMdQzyifkXU-XszOQkIw (https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/29120254?fbclid=IwAR1GaH_rGgFuD6-pCyYeOeBVpoKdUcreNNEywIRzMdQzyifkXU-XszOQkIw)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on February 28, 2022, 08:32:52 PM
Chapman will play At #6 Mary Hardin Baylor.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Riley Zayas on March 04, 2022, 09:26:26 AM
Previewing the Belton Pod (which includes Chapman):

https://truetothecru.com/2022/03/03/previewing-the-belton-pod-umhb-mens-hoops-hosts-opening-rounds-of-ncaa-tournament/

Should be some excellent games there in Texas! NCAA Tournament, here we come!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on March 05, 2022, 06:17:18 PM
Quote from: True To The Cru on March 04, 2022, 09:26:26 AM
Previewing the Belton Pod (which includes Chapman)

Chapman led Mary Hardin Baylor 80-69 with 4:30 to go. But UMHB outscored CU 19-1 the rest of the way and won 88-81. Chapman finishes 22-5.

Meanwhile, Pomona beat Northwestern (MN) 67-66 and will take on Elmhurst in the second round.

OxyBob
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on March 05, 2022, 08:29:12 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on March 05, 2022, 06:17:18 PM
Quote from: True To The Cru on March 04, 2022, 09:26:26 AM
Previewing the Belton Pod (which includes Chapman)

Chapman led Mary Hardin Baylor 80-69 with 4:30 to go. But UMHB outscored CU 19-1 the rest of the way and won 88-81. Chapman finishes 22-5.

Meanwhile, Pomona beat Northwestern (MN) 67-66 and will take on Elmhurst in the second round.

OxyBob
The Bluejays beat the Sagehens 76-70 before a packed house and a very homerish game announcer.
Apparently Pomona had been up by 14 at one point.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on March 25, 2022, 06:35:39 PM
Is Matthew Eberle coming back?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on March 25, 2022, 08:19:54 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on March 25, 2022, 06:35:39 PM
Is Matthew Eberle coming back?

https://www.thesciac.org/sports/mbkb/2021-22/releases/20220315lnneic

He is listed as a senior.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on March 25, 2022, 08:54:53 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on March 25, 2022, 08:19:54 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on March 25, 2022, 06:35:39 PM
Is Matthew Eberle coming back?

https://www.thesciac.org/sports/mbkb/2021-22/releases/20220315lnneic

He is listed as a senior.

With the free Covid year, he could come back. Basically if they've played 4 years, including the Covid year, they could come back for a 5th year. So, being listed as a senior doesn't mean he's done. There's a chance. LOL
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on November 15, 2022, 05:53:50 PM
Pre Season Poll

https://www.thesciac.org/sports/mbkb/2022-23/releases/202211077o04ov
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Kuiper on December 02, 2022, 02:42:26 PM
Anyone know why Occidental is playing #24 ranked D1 San Diego State tonight?  Oxy lost to D1 UC Riverside (which is only 5-3 and just lost to Cal Baptist) by a score of 106-30 on 11/19.  This game could get ugly fast.  What is the benefit to playing an even better team in SDSU?  Is Oxy getting a big payout from this game (and the UC Riverside game)?  Are they struggling financially and need to take these type of games to make ends meet?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on December 02, 2022, 02:52:43 PM
Quote from: Kuiper on December 02, 2022, 02:42:26 PM
Anyone know why Occidental is playing #24 ranked D1 San Diego State tonight?  Oxy lost to D1 UC Riverside (which is only 5-3 and just lost to Cal Baptist) by a score of 106-30 on 11/19.  This game could get ugly fast.  What is the benefit to playing an even better team in SDSU?  Is Oxy getting a big payout from this game (and the UC Riverside game)?  Are they struggling financially and need to take these type of games to make ends meet?
They also are meeting UC San Diego on the 17th.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Kuiper on December 03, 2022, 01:36:36 AM
Quote from: Kuiper on December 02, 2022, 02:42:26 PM
Anyone know why Occidental is playing #24 ranked D1 San Diego State tonight?  Oxy lost to D1 UC Riverside (which is only 5-3 and just lost to Cal Baptist) by a score of 106-30 on 11/19.  This game could get ugly fast.  What is the benefit to playing an even better team in SDSU?  Is Oxy getting a big payout from this game (and the UC Riverside game)?  Are they struggling financially and need to take these type of games to make ends meet?

Well, it wasn't quite as bad as the Riverside game.  San Diego State only beat Oxy 95-57, while resting two of their regular starters.

As SDSU's coach is quoted as saying after the game, "not every game can be a challenge."  Oxy plays a back-to-back tomorrow against Claremont-Mudd-Scripps.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3Navy on December 03, 2022, 02:32:19 PM
Quote from: Kuiper on December 03, 2022, 01:36:36 AM
Quote from: Kuiper on December 02, 2022, 02:42:26 PM
Anyone know why Occidental is playing #24 ranked D1 San Diego State tonight?  Oxy lost to D1 UC Riverside (which is only 5-3 and just lost to Cal Baptist) by a score of 106-30 on 11/19.  This game could get ugly fast.  What is the benefit to playing an even better team in SDSU?  Is Oxy getting a big payout from this game (and the UC Riverside game)?  Are they struggling financially and need to take these type of games to make ends meet?

Well, it wasn't quite as bad as the Riverside game.  San Diego State only beat Oxy 95-57, while resting two of their regular starters.

As SDSU's coach is quoted as saying after the game, "not every game can be a challenge."  Oxy plays a back-to-back tomorrow against Claremont-Mudd-Scripps.

FYI: Trinity (TX) has played an exhibition game against UT San Antonio this season and last.  Every player got time in a large school environment.  Both games were blowouts, but Trinity did put some plays on the DI guys.  There may be more examples around the country.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 04, 2022, 07:50:59 AM

A D1 game likely brings in enough money to fund a trip out of state, flights and all.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: itsnotmeitsyou on December 06, 2022, 05:01:35 PM
Quote from: Kuiper on December 02, 2022, 02:42:26 PM
Anyone know why Occidental is playing #24 ranked D1 San Diego State tonight?  Oxy lost to D1 UC Riverside (which is only 5-3 and just lost to Cal Baptist) by a score of 106-30 on 11/19.  This game could get ugly fast.  What is the benefit to playing an even better team in SDSU?  Is Oxy getting a big payout from this game (and the UC Riverside game)?  Are they struggling financially and need to take these type of games to make ends meet?

Why? SDSU is paying $50k-$75k for "guarantee games". Now Occidental won't get that, but getting a check, playing a D1 opponent, and NOT having it count against your W/L record is an opportunity too good to pass up.

There are plenty of D1 schools (like Mississippi Valley St that need to bring in approximately $500k) that need the money- and send some of it across campus to various depts. Oxy isn't one of those schools.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on February 17, 2023, 09:07:58 AM
Looks like PP and CMS are in. Redlands is a real long shot.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on February 17, 2023, 03:25:44 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on February 17, 2023, 09:07:58 AM
Looks like PP and CMS are in. Redlands is a real long shot.
Only one game left.  Redlands will be third but make the four team playoff.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on February 18, 2023, 11:46:43 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on February 17, 2023, 03:25:44 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on February 17, 2023, 09:07:58 AM
Looks like PP and CMS are in. Redlands is a real long shot.
Only one game left.  Redlands will be third but make the four team playoff.

I meant for the NCAAs. Sorry.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Teddy_Ballgame on February 22, 2023, 03:04:40 PM
Chirp Chirp! Sagehens sweep the regular season Sixth Street Rivalry, as they beat CMS 75-68 at home. Brendan Mora had 20 points 14 rebounds 5 assists and 3 steals for PP. Didn't get the chance to watch, but the box score shows a pretty even matchup. Neither team shot particularly well, and the biggest difference may have been second chance points (PP had 12 offensive boards to CMS's 5).

With the win, PP also clinched the SCIAC regular season title, finishing 15-1 in conference play. This is the Sagehens' fourth consecutive regular season championship after CMS's run of at least a share of 8 of the prior 10. They'll play CLU at home on Friday in the conference semifinals. I'd think and hope that this win cements their spot in the NCAA tournament, already having been 3rd in the regional rankings released before the game, but would be best to remove any doubt.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on February 24, 2023, 06:02:27 PM
All Conference

https://sciac.prestosports.com/sports/mbkb/2022-23/releases/20230223rt3exr
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on February 25, 2023, 09:11:00 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on February 17, 2023, 09:07:58 AM
Looks like PP and CMS are in. Redlands is a real long shot.
They both lost in the SCIAC playoff.

CLU gets the automatic bid.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on July 18, 2023, 02:18:26 PM
Big news out of CMS. I've been told Josh Angle and Rhett Carter are both returning next season. In addition, nescac1 reported that CMS is also getting Caelan "CJ" Jones, a D1 transfer from Boston U. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on July 20, 2023, 04:57:03 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on July 18, 2023, 02:18:26 PM
Big news out of CMS. I've been told Josh Angle and Rhett Carter are both returning next season. In addition, nescac1 reported that CMS is also getting Caelan "CJ" Jones, a D1 transfer from Boston U.

Colby's NESCAC All-Conference player Will King will finish off his eligibility at CMS as well.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on August 02, 2023, 03:22:20 PM
D3 Hoops Classic  SCIAC teams involved.

https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2023/08/d3hoops-classic-pairings

Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on October 25, 2023, 01:57:58 PM
2023-24 Preseason Poll

https://thesciac.org/news/2023/10/23/cms-favored-to-reclaim-mens-basketball-crown-in-preseason-poll.aspx
Title: Re: MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on March 02, 2024, 05:46:04 PM
SCIAC All Conference

https://thesciac.org/news/2024/2/22/mens-basketball-all-conference-awards-announced.aspx