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GreatScot!?

Quote from: oldknight on February 11, 2016, 12:46:37 AM
Alma wins 91-79. Calvin has struggled all year getting consistent scoring from their backcourt, but tonight was even tougher than usual. The six guards who played combined to shoot 7-34 and when you get that kind of production from your backcourt it puts tremendous pressure on the rest of your team. Overall the three point shooting was about as miserable as it gets. Parks went 3-9 from the arc while the rest of the team shot 1-24 from three point land. After a rough Saturday night in Holland, Alma returned to form, hitting 54% for the game. Truth of the matter is though that Calvin's defense wasn't very good as it left shooters open much of the night, both close to the basket and far, and open shots aren't all that difficult to make. Given all that, it's a small miracle the Knights were within 8 points with 2 minutes left, a miracle fueled by ferocious rebounding, particularly on the offensive side as Calvin got 22 second chance attempts--and sometimes third and fourth chances--and outrebounded the Scots 52-31, leading to an amazing 81 shots taken by the Knights.

--Don't be surprised if Jordan Daley is in street clothes Saturday. Late in tonight's game Bradfield came out of nowhere to swat away a Daley three point effort. The block was totally clean but as he passed by Jordan after the block Bradfield's elbow caught Daley's eye and he went down in a heap in front of the Calvin bench. Daley was down on the floor a very long time and he needed help just to take a seat 3 feet away and was obviously quite woozy. If he gets diagnosed with a concussion the protocols will take too long to allow him to participate against Kalamazoo. Jordan still needed to be seated during the post game handshake and every Alma player, plus Coach Hargraves, took time to check on Daley and wish him well. Hargraves in particular took a lot of time with Daley and I thought the Alma folk showed excellent sportsmanship there.

--The only thing that separates Cam Denney from the rest of the league's top big guys is the 3-6 unforced errors he commits each game. Denney is a really skilled big man for the D3 level but simple mistakes hurt his effectiveness.

The offensive rebounding kept the game a lot closer than it should've been. I also thought the Scots were lacking a tad in their overall energy. Denny's game is interesting, but effective. Had a couple of nice hook shots, his jump shooting is a little awkward, but it produces results. At the half Calvin was 1-17 from 3. We thought for sure that was going to improve in the second half, which it technically did, but was still pretty ugly. Based on what's happening in football, I don't think you can be too cautious when it comes to head injuries now. The block looked pretty clean from my end, and I believe it was Bradfield's follow through that got him. Prayers out to Daley that the injury isn't too serious and that he is back in action quickly. Never like to see anyone go down like that. Earlier in the season Bradfield's elbow connected with a referee during the jump ball, which lead to a scary accident of the ref falling to the ground and not moving during live action. The kids still growing into his body and seems to lose control of his limbs a lot. I believe even more of the players would've made sure Daley was ok after the game if his mom didn't yell at the first couple of players and myself in line. It's a moms natural instinct to protect their kids, but we were just trying to wish him the best. Hoping that the injury isn't as bad as it looked and he's back in action Saturday!

GreatScot!?

Scott Nikodemski scored his 1,000th point last night during a free throw. Amazing that he went from being a non-scorer at Rockford to scoring 1,000 points in D3 basketball. It took a lot of pushing by the coaching staff to make him more aggressive, but his progression is amazing.

realist

"If you are catching flack it means you are over the target".  Brietbart.

KzooHornet

Quote from: realist on February 11, 2016, 01:08:03 PM
Nice to see Kzoo get a win.   :)

It will be even nicer to see them get another one on Saturday.   ;)

sac

#42214
CoSida all-district team:   http://www.cosida.com/news/2016/2/11/AAA_2016districtbb.aspx

DJ Beckman, Alma
Jordan Daley, Calvin
Ben Gardner, Hope

For some reason Indiana is in a different district

Jared Holmquist, Trine

4 guys from the MIAA is outstanding.

realist

#42215
Quote from: KzooHornet on February 11, 2016, 01:57:17 PM
Quote from: realist on February 11, 2016, 01:08:03 PM
Nice to see Kzoo get a win.   :)

It will be even nicer to see them get another one on Saturday.   ;)
Well let's not get carried away. :)  Why Kzoo didn't win some games before now strikes me as a bit of a mystery.  They have played Alma, and Hope very tough, but just don't seem to show up against some other teams.  Calvin has struggled on occasion at your place, and it could very well be Kzoo's year.   
Quite a few teams will have the opportunity over the next 10 days to play the "spoiler" role.
"If you are catching flack it means you are over the target".  Brietbart.

OC_SID

Quote from: sac on February 11, 2016, 02:07:11 PM
CoSida all-district team:   http://www.cosida.com/news/2016/2/11/AAA_2016districtbb.aspx

DJ Beckman, Alma
Jordan Daley, Calvin
Ben Gardner, Hope

For some reason Indiana is in a different district

Jared Holmquist, Trine

4 guys from the MIAA is outstanding.

Yes, Indiana is in a different district than the rest of the MIAA schools. Several couple years ago when CoSIDA separated its Academic All-America program into four levels (DI, DII, DIII and College Division), the districts for Division III were drawn up differently. They were drawn to include a close number of Division III schools across each district. With the number of DIII schools in both states, New York and Pennsylvania are their own district. But then there is a district which includes 21 states and Canada. Indiana is lumped with Illinois and Ohio schools, while the rest of the MIAA is lumped with Minnesota and Wisconsin schools.

KnightSlappy

Quote from: sac on February 11, 2016, 12:38:17 AM
Remaining games:
Adrian:    @Hope-------------@Calvin, Kzoo
Calvin:     @Kzoo--------------Adrian, Hope
Trine:       @Alma-------------@Olivet, Albion

There's a not-crazy scenario that would give us a 3-way tie for 4th place at 6-8 with Calvin, Trine, and Adrian all splitting with each other. No idea how they'd break that tie.

sac

#42218
Quote from: KnightSlappy on February 11, 2016, 07:05:22 PM
Quote from: sac on February 11, 2016, 12:38:17 AM
Remaining games:
Adrian:    @Hope-------------@Calvin, Kzoo
Calvin:     @Kzoo--------------Adrian, Hope
Trine:       @Alma-------------@Olivet, Albion

There's a not-crazy scenario that would give us a 3-way tie for 4th place at 6-8 with Calvin, Trine, and Adrian all splitting with each other. No idea how they'd break that tie.


a.Head to Head
b.Combined record vs. the teams ahead of the tied teams in the standings.
c.Record against 1st place team, then 2nd place team, etc....all the way through the standings.
d.Total conference road wins
e.Individual road records against conference schools, starting with the 1st place team, then 2nd place
team, etc...all the way through the standings.
f.Record in second half of conference season (last 7 games).
g.In-Region win total.
h.Coin Flip.
In the case of a tie involving multiple teams, the same tie breaking criteria as above would be used
until one team can be placed in position. The remaining tied teams would then
use the above criteria
to establish the next position until no teams remain tied. In an unbreakable tie, the position will be
determined by a coin flip conducted by the Commissioner. (5/12)
3.Once teams have been put in positions 1-8, seeds will be established"


I think we'd be putting in-region win total to the test.

I'm not sure if the MIAA intends to only count Great Lakes Region games or use the other parameters like 500 mile rule and 75%.  In either case Trine would win the tie-breaker.

Using the regional ranking parameters

Trine    15-8
Calvin  11-10
Adrian  10-11

If they count just games against Great Lakes Region teams

Trine    12-9
Calvin  9-11
Adrian  7-8


You can also get to a 3-way 6-8 or 7-7 tie a couple of different ways:
Adrian could win tie-break by beating Hope, Trine could win it by beating Alma or Albion, Calvin could win it by beating Hope, so long as they beat Adrian.

Fascinating.

KnightSlappy

When they first instituted the four-team tournament it was said only h2h would break ties for who's in or out. Otherwise there were rumours of a play in game.

HOPEful

Quote from: KnightSlappy on February 12, 2016, 06:15:24 AM
When they first instituted the four-team tournament it was said only h2h would break ties for who's in or out. Otherwise there were rumours of a play in game.
Quote from: HupHolland on February 05, 2016, 11:27:39 AM
I have received this from an AD regarding tie breakers

"In cases where two or more teams conclude MIAA play with identical league records, the ties would
be broken using the following criteria:
a.Head to Head
b.Combined record vs. the teams ahead of the tied teams in the standings....

If Hup's AD source is accurate, semantically that is not the case.
Let's go Dutchmen!

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KnightSlappy

#42221
Found the old post from 2012 referencing a play in game.

Quote from: Hopester on February 11, 2012, 07:17:12 PM
New Tiebreaker Rules for MIAA Tournament:

The top four teams in the 2012 MIAA men's basketball standings at the end of the regular season will advance to the end-of-season AQ (automatic qualifier) tournament. The top two seeds will host the semifinal games on Wednesday with the winners to advance to the championship game on Saturday, to be held at the home court of the highest remaining seed.

Here are the tiebreakers that will be employed to settle qualifiers for the MIAA tournament:

1. In a two-way tie for the fourth seed, head-to-head matchups are the first tiebreaker. If one team defeats the other twice in the regular season, that team claims the tournament berth. If the two teams split the regular season matchups, a play-in game will be played on the Monday of the MIAA tournament week.

2. In case of a multiple tie, compare each team's records head-to-head against the other teams in the tie, with the worst record dropping out. Then go back to the two-team tiebreaker above.

Here are the tiebreakers generally used to determine seeding and home-court advantage for MIAA tournament play:

1. In case of a two-way tie, head-to-head matchups are the first tiebreaker. If one team defeats the other twice in the regular season, that team receives the higher seed.

2. If the teams in a two-way tie split their regular season meetings, compare each team's record against the team that is in first place in the standings. If the records against that team are identical, go to the next team down in the standings until the tie is broken.

3. In a case of a tie involving more than two teams, compare each team's records head-to-head against the other teams in the tie, with the team with the worst record dropping out. Then go back to the two-team tiebreaker above.

4. If the tie still remains, use the latest NCAA regional ranking.

5. If the tie remains after all other tiebreakers, the Commissioner will conduct a coin flip to break the tie.

sac

Sounds like the play-in game still exists.  But the tie-breaker formula would be used to determine the host and participants.  In that case under our previous scenario it would be a play-in game on Wednesday of Calvin @ Trine


I think!

oldknight


wiz

Shooting woes continue.  Calvin out rebounding Kazoo 22-10 but can only shoot 25%.