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Title: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: John McGraw on March 11, 2007, 11:40:18 PM
Welcome to the Liberty League posting board.
Title: Re: Liberty League
Post by: John McGraw on March 11, 2007, 11:50:35 PM
RPI is off to an 8-0 start after their spring break trip to Florida. Great start for the Engineers (yes I know it's Red Hawks, but I like Engineers better), especially after losing All-American Michael Passante to graduation. So far for RPI...

RPI 9 Salve Regina 2, RPI 3 Salve Regina 2
RPI 9 Cornell College 3
RPI 16 SUNYIT 1
RPI 16 Husson 4
RPI 10 John Jay 3
RPI 3 St. John Fisher 2
RPI 13 Widener 3

It's the first time that RPI has gone undefeated under Karl Steffen on their spring break trip. This is Steffen's 23rd year as the head coach. No stats updated from the trip but it appears RPI's getting help from everyone. They now take a two-week break and don't play again until the end of the month.

Rochester swept a doubleheader today with wins over Daniel Webster, 19-3, and Curry College, 8-7. Their trip continues all week as they move on to the UAA championships in Sanford, FL.

Skidmore opened their spring trip today against Framingham State. No score to report from that game.
Title: Re: Liberty League
Post by: hitforthecycle on March 12, 2007, 12:32:06 AM
RPI played some perrenial powerhouse teams too!  Come on John, you know as well as I do that RPI plays CUPCAKES so they can get an easy regional bid.  I respect their program but I don't respect the fact that they load their schedule with virtually no prominent teams.  Simply calling a spade a spade!  That 8-0 is very soft and we'll see how good they are once playoff time comes.
Title: Re: Liberty League
Post by: John McGraw on March 12, 2007, 11:31:30 AM
I agree that RPI beat on some weak sisters, there's no doubting that. The win over St. John Fisher is still impressive in terms of a regional win.

And I think they're going to be a good team. Really the only huge loss is Passante. Maybe last year if their game against Ithaca doesn't go into the wee hours of the night and they play SLU on Friday night instead of Saturday morning, they move on to play ECSU. But, that was then.

I've got no problem with padding the schedule a little bit. The Liberty League conference season has four games in a weekend against each conference opponent. Then the conference tournament to determine the AQ. Given RPI's history and relatively decent record, they're always a threat for a Pool C bid if they don't win the conference.

SLU and Clarkson are nipping at their heels IMO. So, if they want to gain some confidence by pounding poor teams, that's OK. Their real schedule will start at the end of March when they go to play Montclair State and William Paterson in New Jersey. I just wish they still had the non-conference latitude to play Cortland and Ithaca during the season. I think they may have played IC last year but I honestly don't remember.

Besides, the baseball gods have a way of working these things out.

Title: Re: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on March 13, 2007, 04:46:03 PM
I know this is the Liberty League page, I thought maybe a little U. of Rochester news might be appropriate.

The UAA Tournament started today with U. of Rochester losing a very well played game, 9-2 to Emory.  Yes, well played! 

Glushon started for Emory allowing no runs on 6 hits, 7 K's and no BB's through 7.  He is not over-powering, and located his pitches and changed speeds like he is known for.

Rochester's McEneaney started for Rochester giving up 4 runs on 7 hits through 6 innings.  A 2 run homer in the first by Bralver, and a solo shot in the 3rd by Molnar were McEneaney's only really problem at-bats gathering 6 K's, 2BB's and a HBP.  When the 7th started, Olsen stepped in only to be lifted in the 9th when he ran into trouble allowing 5 Emory runnners to score.  Chodak came in to finish the 9th.

Rochester - 0 errors.  Emory - 1 error.  The umpires made some questionable calls against both teams, but "that's baseball!"   
Title: Re: Liberty League
Post by: John McGraw on March 14, 2007, 02:51:08 PM
Liberty League Score o'Rama

Sunday - Framingham State 3 Skidmore 1, Skidmore 10 Framingham State 3
Monday - Drew 9 Skidmore 8, Skidmore 8 Drew 6
Tuesday - Emory 9 Rochester 2 (UAA)
                Vassar 5 Ripon 4
Wednesday - Rochester 6 Brandeis 5 (UAA)
Title: Re: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on March 14, 2007, 06:00:26 PM
UAA Tournament Update -

Tuesday - 3/13/07

Brandeis 9  Emory 4
Washington U. 15  Case 6

Wednesday - 3/14/07

Case 4  Rochester 1
Title: Re: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on March 15, 2007, 09:37:20 PM
UAA Tournament Update -

Wednesday 3/14/07 -

Emory  6  -  Washington U.  4

Thursday 3/15/07 -

Brandeis  13  -  Case Western Reserve  2

Brandeis  4  -  Washington U.  3

Rochester  8  -  Emory  7

Friday 3/16/07 -

Washington U.  vs.  Case Western Reserve  -  11:00a.m.
Emory  vs.  Case  -  2:30p.m.
Rochester  vs.  Brandeis  -  6:00p.m.

Saturday 3/17/07 -

Emory  vs.  Washington U.  -  11:00a.m.
Rochester  vs.  Washington U.  -  2:30p.m.
Brandeis  vs.  Case  -  6:00p.m.

Some good baseball is being played here in Florida!!
Title: Re: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on March 16, 2007, 11:00:55 PM
UAA Tournament Update -

Washington U.  10  -  Case  0

Emory  10  -  Case  4

Rochester  5  -  Brandeis  2
Title: Re: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on March 19, 2007, 06:48:14 AM
UAA Tournament Update -

Emory 5  -  Washington U.

Washington U. 4  -  Rochester 1

Case 11  -  Brandeis 5


Glushon from Emory a very nice pitcher.  Mixed his pitches and speeds up nicely.  Not over-powering, but hit his spots.  Deservers his ranking.  Shields from Wash. U. is similar to Glushon, but more hitable.  Downside - BABY!!!!  Hit a triple the first time up, then flew-out, struckout, and after those last two at-bats, threw the bat into the ground.....threw the helmet into the ground and into the dugout....cussing.  Not to classy fro a senior who is also nationally ranked.

Rochester played very well with only six errors (two E2 interference) total the whole tournament.  They deserved the 3-3 result with some wins and losses going either way.  They played well, and from what the parents said about last years team, have definitely improved.  The pitching looks good with some young arms coming into the mix, and from what we hear, next year as well.

There are many experts that know more than me about the programs past history, and the RPI series along with single games against Cortland, Brockport, and Ithaca will give a better indication of where the team stands.

Until next time, good day!
Title: Re: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on March 25, 2007, 06:24:28 PM
Yesterdays DH against Skidmore was cancelled obviously due to the rain.

Today Skidmore beat Rochester 5-2 in their 7 inning game.  Rochester then went on to win the second game, 9 inning game, 7-6 in 12 innings.

I don't have particulars for these two games, but the box scores will provide the information when available.

Rochester plays again, Tuesday - March 27th, against Brockport.  Please, if anyone is going to this game, I would appreciate some feedback during the game if someone doesn't mind.  I can be reached at 708-567-5526.  Thanks.

BoomerIL

Title: Re: Liberty League
Post by: John McGraw on March 31, 2007, 11:20:36 AM
An amazing Friday in Troy. From the RPI website...

TROY, N.Y. – St. Lawrence used an 11-run ninth inning for a come-from-behind, 16-9, win to earn a split with the Rensselaer  baseball team in a Liberty League doubleheader at Robison Field. The homestanding Red Hawks, the 13th-ranked team in the nation, won the first game, 2-1, on a bases loaded walk in the last inning.

The second game almost sounds like a rehash of the NCAA tournament game that the two played last year. The Larries though exploded in the middle of the game rather than at the end. St. Lawrence pulled the exact same feet against Clarkson in the Liberty League title game last year, scoring a boatload of runs in the bottom of the ninth inning.

http://www.wrpi.org to hear the remaining two games of the series this afternoon from Robison Field.
Title: Re: Liberty League
Post by: John McGraw on April 01, 2007, 11:19:32 AM
***Friday and Saturday Liberty League scores***

***Friday***
Southeastern 12 Union 9 (Florida)
Skidmore 6 Vassar 1
Skidmore 10 Vassar 6
RPI 2 St. Lawrence 1
St. Lawrence 16 RPI 9

***Saturday***
RPI 3 St. Lawrence 1
St. Lawrence 7 RPI 6
Rochester 4 Clarkson 3
Rochester 10 Clarkson 4

Notes: Larries and the Red Hawks split again in Troy. Looks like St. Lawrence wasn't just a one-year wonder. They had a pretty solid spring trip and have continued that up to New York. For RPI, their early season record was a little inflated, but they're still a very good team.

In game one, frosh John Dreimiller pitched a complete-game four hitter and Matt Muscatiello drove in two runs as RPI triumphed. Justin Bodnar went the distance for the Saints, struck out seven, but allowed three runs on five hits.

Game two was a little different. 13 combined runs, 25 hits and lots of offense. Luke "Cheese" Calzone, one of RPI's aces last year, got roughed up for seven runs on 11 hits; he struck out eight and walked five. The Larries used four pitchers. It was finally Ryan Duff that was able to quiet the RPI bats with 2.2 no-hit innings and five strikeouts. Matt Carrigg and Matt Yaworsky each drove in two runs for the Larries, Carrigg had three hits.

Clarkson, unlike their north country counterpart, is having a rough season. After a wonderful season in 2006, the Knights are crashing and burning. They're now 0-11 after being swept by UR. Their Florida schedule was pretty tough and included Carthage, UW-Stevens Pointer, Wooster and Messiah.

UR took game one on a walk-off single by Devin Shane. Shane drove in two of four UR runs and accounted for two of UR's five hits. Rochester scored the game's final four runs.

Rochester led game two, 8-0, before Clarkson got on the scoreboard. Rich Bittner, Clarkson's starter, allowed 10 runs (four earned) on 10 hits and CU made five errors. Pete McEneaney was knocked around a little, but took the victory. He gave up three runs on seven hits in five innings pitched. UR's Dan Brien and Ed Kahovec combined for five hits and five RBI.

UR and Clarkson play on Sunday at 10:00 am to try and avoid the rain.
Title: Re: Liberty League
Post by: John McGraw on April 01, 2007, 06:19:16 PM
Sunday scores...

Rochester vs. Clarkson PPD RAIN

Skidmore 1 Vassar 0
Skidmore 5 Vassar 4 (11)

Liberty League Standings
Skidmore 5-1; Rochester 3-1; St. Lawrence 5-3; RPI 2-2; Union 1-3; Clarkson 0-2; Vassar 0-4
Title: Re: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on April 09, 2007, 02:06:19 PM
John.....

On the SUNYAC page, you mentioned that with all of this goofy weather, teams scramble to get their conference games played by the end of the season.

Does it matter if they are running out of time and may have to travel across the state to get these games in?  Is this just tough-luck?
Title: Re: Liberty League
Post by: Bob Maxwell on April 09, 2007, 03:01:12 PM
Boomer,

Its their responsibility to get the games in... that is the risk of putting them all at the end of the season.  I asked a general question about IF there were any requiremnts to schedule on the next available date... as usually they are done on the next week Monday or Friday.

One of the SUNYAC double headers was moved to Sunday 4/29... which is 5 days before the conference tournament.  And two years ago, that weekend was a washout... so there is apossibility of not playing the games.

AND yes, it means even if they have to travel twice to play the games...
Title: Re: Liberty League
Post by: John McGraw on April 09, 2007, 04:51:47 PM
Just wait until the conference tournament.

The Liberty League tournament is normally a four-team, double-elimination tournament over three days.

Last year, because of rain, it boiled down to a single-elimination format, three games. St. Lawrence beat up on Rochester and Clarkson upset RPI. The next day, or Sunday, I forget which, St. Lawrence beat Clarkson witha ninth-inning rally to win the league title and the automatic bid.

It may come down to a situation where a game needs to be played on a Sunday, when the bids are handed out the following day.

RPI and St. Lawrence both got into the NCAA tournament. St. Lawrence beat RPI in the elimination bracket before losing to Eastern Connecticut State.

Unfortunately, that's just the way it works. It stinks, but that's college baseball in upstate New York.
Title: Re: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on April 09, 2007, 05:46:52 PM
Bob....John....

So what your saying is that either way, the games should be made-up if possible.  How do the win/loss records, or winning percenatge effect the seeding, if games are not made-up?  If there not made-up, doesn't that skew things a bit and probably ruffle some feaathers?  Just curious.  This reminds me of how high school games had to be made-up in our area.  Its not unique to New York, it's common for cold weather schools, I'm sure.

On another subject.....the U. Rochester team has been playing very well.  We have the fewest errors of any team in our league, which was a problem last year.  Our pitching seems to be better from what the veteran parents have said, but the hitting could improve.  To many "at'um" balls!!
Title: Re: Liberty League
Post by: John McGraw on April 14, 2007, 11:29:22 AM
Liberty League standings....

Rochester 6-2; Skidmore 5-1; St. Lawrence 5-3; Clarkson 2-2; RPI 2-2; Union 2-6; Vassar 0-6

This weekend, weather permitting.

Union @ Vassar/Vassar @ Union (VC Sat, UC Sun)
RPI @ Rochester (DH, DH)
Skidmore @ St. Lawrence (DH, DH)
Clarkson @ Utica (NC DH)

If they play today, we'll see how good UR and Skidmore really are. I still think RPI and St. Lawrence are the best teams in the conference. It's a shame the weather may wipe away all the games or hold conference play to just two games.

Title: Re: Liberty League
Post by: John McGraw on April 14, 2007, 09:23:23 PM
Union 11 Vassar 8
Union 8 Vassar 3

RPI 3 Rochester 0
Rochester 15 RPI 4

St. Lawrence 4 Skidmore 1
St. Lawrence 10 Skidmore 6

St. Lawrence 7-3; Rochester 7-3; Skidmore 5-3; RPI 3-3; Clarkson 2-2; Union 4-6; Vassar 0-8
Title: Re: Liberty League
Post by: Bob Maxwell on April 14, 2007, 11:08:11 PM
This league looks like it is going to be something... 4 teams with 3 losses.

It is a real free for all...
Title: Re: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on April 16, 2007, 12:30:33 AM
John.....

Since I'm still the "newbie" here, I need to get your feedback about your "how good UR really is......." comment after they squared-off against RPI.  Now I know most pundits will argue the fact that maybe Rochester has been in the middle echelon of the Liberty League Conference, and RPI has always been the perenial favorite.  And that has been the case in the past.  Today, there seems to be some equality in the ranks!  Sure some will say that one or two games doesn't mean anything, or make a league champion.  True, but I must say that either Rochester has found a "tooth fairy" or maybe their coach has really got something working with his team.

There are only 3 seniors on this team, all playing a vital roll on this team, with juniors, sophomores, and a slew of freshman making up the remainder of this "team," and I emphasize team.  Two of the freshman are starters, contributing to their success along with a much improved defense and pitching staff.  O.K., so I'm on a 'band wagon' and I've watched these kids play a total of eleven games.  In some respects, hardly enough to really get a good picture in most circles of conversation.  But like stated before, a team! 

They have fewer errors than the other teams in the conference which has been a problem in the past.  They could set the league record for HBP's.  The pitching has been really good, and they have been playing good baseball.  They have played some big name teams, split with Emory, and had a close game with Wash. U. in Florida.  By the way, those two teams had played 10-14 games already before our first games with them in Florida.  The split this weekend with RPI was no fluke.  Zongol pitched a good game for RPI and was being hit, just not timely enough.  Our two pitchers, were just as effective as Zongol.

I know that the season is about half over and all of the scheduled games will not be played because of this awful spring.  I do think this team is for real, and playing Cortland, Ithaca and Brockport should really help define how far they have come, or need to go.  They don't give-up and their fun to watch!!  I would also like to see if they get any regional poll recognition.  JMHO
Title: Re: Liberty League
Post by: John McGraw on April 21, 2007, 05:30:29 PM
Union 2 RPI 0
RPI 2 Union 1

Ooof. RPI's struggled a little over the past few weeks. They've needed late rallies to beat both Castleton State and MCLA.
Title: Re: Liberty League
Post by: John McGraw on April 21, 2007, 09:25:05 PM
Other Liberty League scores from Saturday....

Clarkson 7 Skidmore 3
Clarkson 19 Skidmore 5

RIT 10 St. Lawrence 4 (non-conference)
RIT 7 St. Lawrence 5 (non-conference)
*That hurts. I guess kiss those Pool C hopes goodbye. If any of the New York schools get a Pool C, I bet it'll be the SUNYAC runner-up (poss. Brockport).

Rochester 9 Vassar 1
Rochester 6 Vassar 4

Liberty League standings....

St. Lawrence 9-3; Rochester 9-3; Skidmore 7-5; Clarkson 4-4; RPI 4-4; Union 5-7; Vassar 0-12

Tomorrow...
Rochester @ Vassar in PoTown
Union @ RPI...I bet the Dutchmen's Shoes are pretty smelly after a doubleheader
RIT @ Clarkson (non-conference)
St. Lawrence @ St. Michaels (non-conference)
Title: Re: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on April 22, 2007, 10:52:49 AM
John McGraw......

If you wouldn't mind, could you please explain to me about your "Pool C" comment.  How does the seeding work for the tournament?  Who gets the opportunity for a berth in the tournament?

On another note, do you think that the Univ. Rochester has a chance of making the ABCA poll next week for the New York Region, and who does the voting for the placements?  UR has been playing some really good baseball.  I know this coming Tuesday and Wednesday, they play Brockport and Ithaca which should give insight as to how good UR is, and where it needs to improve.
Title: Re: Liberty League
Post by: John McGraw on April 22, 2007, 12:17:40 PM
Three ways into the NCAA tournament, Pool A, Pool B or Pool C.

Pool A is if you win your conference's automatic bid into the NCAA tournament. This you usually clinch when you win the conference tournament.

Pool B is an at-large bid. These handed out to teams who play in conferences (or are independent) that do not qualify for an automatic bid such as Ithaca in the Empire 8 and Chapman, who is independent.

Pool C is also an at-large bid. This is given to the top runners-up in the Pool A conferences that do not win the automatic bid.

Last year, RPI was the favorite in the Liberty League, they had a solid record and a good regional ranking. St. Lawrence ended up winning the conference tournament.  The Saints earned the Pool A automatic bid. RPI earned a Pool C bid.

Usually, upstate New York teams aren't going to get a Pool C, because the region, nationally, is on the weaker side. Ithaca has two national championships, but no one else in the region has won one, though Cortland came close. The last two Pool C's in upstate New York were RPI (last year) and Cortland (2004). Cortland had a somewhat strong resume, but barely eeked out a Pool C bid, slipping past New England-power Southern Maine into a Pool C.

The enlarged tournament format this year helps, but, because all the New York teams have beat up on each other, I can't see anyone earning a Pool C. What might happen is that a New England team or two will be shipped into New York. Last year it was ECSU and Endicott playing at Auburn. Few years ago, Trinity (CT) won the Troy regional. Or, the NCAA will send up a team from Pennsylvania since the Mid-Atlantic region is usually really strong - plus they have a ton of auto bid conferences.


As for the ranking, I have no idea. Probably not. RPI was 12th or so and you split with them. RPI was the top team in the conference when the last poll came out. If anything, I'd guess they'd drop out or be at the very bottom.

In the end, the rankings that matter most are the NCAA regional rankings. The ABCA poll and the coaches regional rankings don't really mean anything. Keep in mind, coaches are voting on teams sometimes that are 3,000 miles away.
Title: Re: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on April 22, 2007, 04:06:33 PM
John.....

I understand now.  Great explanation for me on all counts, thanks!!!!!! 

Boomer
Title: Re: Liberty League
Post by: John McGraw on April 23, 2007, 03:12:55 AM
Sunday Liberty League scores

Vassar 3 Rochester 2
Rochester 6 Vassar 2

RPI 14 Union 7
RPI 21 Union 6

RIT 5 Clarkson 2
RIT 7 Clarkson 5...RIT swept SLU and Clarkson on the road

St Lawrence 11 St Michaels 1
St Michaels 3 St Lawrence 1

Standings...

St. Lawrence 9-3; Rochester 10-4; RPI 6-4; Skidmore 7-5; Clarkson 4-4; Union 5-9, Vassar 1-13
Title: Re: Liberty League
Post by: John McGraw on April 25, 2007, 04:40:02 PM
Yesterday in Troy....

RPI 9 Clarkson 4
RPI 5 Clarkson 1

Updated standings....

St. Lawrence 9-3; Rochester 10-4; RPI 8-4; Skidmore 7-5; Union 5-9; Clarkson 4-6; Vassar 1-13

Today - Union @ Vassar (Fishkill, NY)

This weekend in the Liberty League

RPI vs. Skidmore (Saturday - Skidmore, Sunday - RPI)
Rochester @ St. Lawrence
Union @ Clarkson
Title: Re: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on April 25, 2007, 10:49:53 PM
Bob Maxwell.....

A "special thanks" goes out to you for your friendly, helpful self!!!!  Being away from the action in New York kills me.  Thanks again!!!

Univ. of Rochester lost two games, yesterday to Brockport 14-4, and today to Ithaca 6-4.  You could look at any number of reasons why the scores were like they were, pitching, hitting, but errors really make a difference.  Especially in todays 6-4 loss to Ithaca.  Not taking anything away from Ithaca, but if, Rochester didn't make those mistakes, the score could have been the other way around.  Its possible.

I wasn't at the games since I'm in the Chicago subrubs, but the box scores gave me a indication of what happened.  Five errors yesterday and 3 more today is not how this team played all season.  UR was leading the league with the fewest errors up until today.  I'm not maligning our team, they are very good, but for some reason their fundamentals were put-on-hold for these two games.  This can't happen this weekend against St. Lawrence!!

I believe UR is a much better team than what was playing these last two days.  I think they can win the #1 spot outright, they have the ability and talent, but the games have to be played.  We will see.  "That's baseball" as I always say.
Title: Re: Liberty League
Post by: John McGraw on April 27, 2007, 11:12:51 AM
Tuesday....

RPI 9 Clarkson 4
RPI 5 Clarkson 1
Union 6 SUNYIT 1
Brockport 14 Rochester 4
St. Lawrence 20 Utica 3

Wednesday...

Ithaca 6 Rochester 4
Vassar 3 Union 1 (6...rain)

Thursday...

Ithaca 8 Clarkson 3
Vassar 9 New Paltz 0
Williams 5 RPI 3

LL Standings entering the weekend

St. Lawrence 9-3; Rochester 10-4; RPI 8-4; Skidmore 7-5; Clarkson 4-6; Union 5-10; Vassar 2-13
Title: Re: Liberty League
Post by: John McGraw on April 28, 2007, 04:52:38 PM
Rochester sweeps St. Lawrence in Canton, RPI takes out Skidmore. Two more to play tomorrow.

Rochester 6 St. Lawrence 0
Rochester 2 St. Lawrence 1

RPI 7 Skidmore 4
RPI 9 Skidmore 5

Standings...

Rochester 12-4; RPI 10-4; St. Lawrence 9-5; Skidmore 7-7; Clarkson 4-6; Union 5-10; Vassar 2-13
Title: Re: Liberty League
Post by: Bob Maxwell on April 28, 2007, 07:15:33 PM
Rochester is surging... and has some good pitching.  Looks like it will be an interesting tournament.

Who is the favorite?
Title: Re: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on April 28, 2007, 11:04:43 PM
Bob......

You know which team is my favorite!!!    ;D

UR will probably drop down in the regional rankings due to the two losses to Brockport and Ithaca, but that is not what really matters, is it?

My son told me when I asked him about the quality of play from Brockport and Ithaca, that he felt Brockport was better, and he felt they were even better than the Emory and Wash. U. teams they faced in Florida.  But then Ithaca takes two from Brockport today.  Go figure!!!!!  That's baseball!!!!
Title: Re: Liberty League
Post by: John McGraw on April 29, 2007, 06:36:17 PM
Sunday scores so far

RPI 12 Skidmore 9
RPI 19 Skidmore 12

St. Lawrence 7 Rochester 1
Rochester 5 St. Lawrence 3

Baruch 7 Vassar 5
Vassar 17 Baruch 0

Liberty standings...

RPI 12-4 (.750); Rochester 13-5 (.722); St. Lawrence 10-6 (.625); Skidmore 7-9 (.438); Clarkson 5-7 (.417); Union 6-11 (.353); Vassar 2-13 (.117)

Next weekend...
St. Lawrence @ Clarkson/Clarkson @ St. Lawrence
Vassar @ RPI/RPI @ Vassar
Union @ Skidmore/Skidmore @ Union

An RPI sweep would put them at 16-4 (.800). Rochester does not have any conference games remaining. They only played RPI, Clarkson and Skidmore twice because of the weather. RPI's season-ending schedule of Skidmore and Vassar looks like it may give them the regular season title and tournament hosting rights. The final scheduled games are on the 5th and 6th, the tournament begins on May 11th.
Title: Re: Liberty League
Post by: John McGraw on April 29, 2007, 11:20:45 PM
Also from Sunday...

Union 2 Clarkson 1
Clarkson 14 Union 7

Updated standings...

RPI 12-4; Rochester 13-5; St. Lawrence 10-6; Skidmore 7-9, Clarkson 6-8; Union 7-12; Vassar 2-13
Title: Re: Liberty League
Post by: John McGraw on May 05, 2007, 04:16:24 PM
Early results

Skidmore 6 Union 5

Standings!!!

RPI 12-4; Rochester 13-5; St. Lawrence 10-6; Skidmore 8-9; Clarkson 6-8; Union 7-13; Vassar 2-13
Title: Re: Liberty League
Post by: John McGraw on May 05, 2007, 07:41:09 PM
St. Lawrence 6 Clarkson 1
St. Lawrence 6 Clarkson 5

Skidmore 6 Union 5
Skidmore 6 Union 3

RPI 20 Vassar 0....@ New Paltz
RPI 12 Vassar 5....@ New Paltz

Standings

RPI 14-4; Rochester 13-5; St. Lawrence 12-6; Skidmore 9-9; Clarkson 6-10; Union 7-14; Vassar 2-15

Probable Liberty tournament pairings, round one
RPI vs. Skidmore; St. Lawrence vs. UR
Title: Re: Liberty League
Post by: John McGraw on May 06, 2007, 01:57:37 PM
That was fast...

RPI 3 Vassar 0 FINAL

Unless there are make-up games this coming week, RPI clinched the Liberty League regular season title and will host the conference tournament next weekend.

For the moment, Rochester has concluded their conference schedule. St. Lawrence, even if they sweep Clarkson, cannot catch RPI. The best they can finish is 14-6; RPI can finish no worse than 15-5.
Title: Re: Liberty League
Post by: John McGraw on May 06, 2007, 07:34:11 PM
How do you spell Liberty League regular season title? R.P.I.

RPI 3 Vassar 0
RPI 8 Vassar 1

Skidmore 11 Union 0
Skidmore 13 Union 9

St. Lawrence 6 Clarkson 1
St. Lawrence 13 Clarkson 6

Final Standings

RPI 16-4; St. Lawrence 14-6; Rochester 13-5; Skidmore 11-9; Clarkson 6-12; Union 7-16; Vassar 2-17

*Union wins the award for playing 23 of 24 scheduled conference games. No one else had more than 20. This hurts Rochester the most. The Yellow Jackets played only 18 games, yet split a pair with RPI and won three of four from SLU.

Liberty League Tournament @ Troy, New York
Friday
Game 1: #3 Rochester vs. #2 St. Lawrence 9:30 a.m.
Game 2: #4 Skidmore vs. #1 RPI 1:00 p.m.
Game 3: Elimination Game, Losers Bracket Semifinals

*RPI games will be broadcast on WRPI in Troy. The voice of Red Hawks baseball and Engineers football Kurt Stutt will have the call.

*Winner of the tournament will get an automatic bid to the NCAA playoffs. RPI, ranked second in the NY region rankings, looks to be the only team with a chance at a Pool C bid, should they not win the tournament.
Title: Re: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on May 10, 2007, 10:41:44 AM
Well, by Saturday, we'll have some answers!!!  UR has played well this season, and missing 6 conference games due to the weather didn't help.  Their odds for having home-field-advantage for the tournament was better than 50%, IF, they could have played those games.  Losing a game to Vassar didn't help either, and I'm sorry if it sounds like a slam to Vassar, that's not my intention.

Maybe, and again its a maybe, that they could have beat Ithaca and not lost 3 of 4 to St. John Fisher, they would have gotten more consideration from the rankings pundits and the NCAA.  I don't understand how RIT could be better than UR in the regional rankings since they swept the two game series 13-0 and 2-0.  Many say that rankings don't mean much, but it surely gets peoples attention!

Obviously UR's opportunity of getting into the NCAA tournament lies with winning the Liberty League Tournament outright.  I know that none of those other three teams are going to "rollover" and let UR just walk-in.  They led the conference in defense, they have two upper echelon starters and two very good 3 and 4 pitchers, the variable is being able to hit against the other good talent that they will face.  I believe they can do that and win the conference championship, and then to move on to the next level.

The top seeds do have flaws, the challenge will be to find them, and then exploit those flaws during those games.   Again, the reverse is true as well.

Good luck to the Yellowjackets on Friday, Saturday, and more importantly Sunday!!
Title: Re: Liberty League
Post by: Bob Maxwell on May 12, 2007, 05:14:05 PM
Rensselaer 5
Rochester  3

Rochester is eliminated

End of 4:
Rensselaer    1
St Lawrence  1

Winner moves on to play Skidmore tomorrow
Title: Re: Liberty League
Post by: Bob Maxwell on May 12, 2007, 06:42:12 PM
Final Score

St Lawrence 6
Rensselaer   2

Rensselaer eliminated.

St Lawrence vs Skidmore tomorrow at 11:00am
Title: Re: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on October 19, 2007, 01:03:38 AM
It has been the tradition in the past for the U of Rochester to play their first games in Florida.  They have several games scheduled at the Disney Complex with schools that are usually out of their normal area, then they proceed in playing in the UAA tournament in Sanford, Florida.  This coming spring instead of playing at Disney, they will play in the Tampa area first, then move to Sanford.

In Tampa they will do something different by starting out their season with conference games.  This was decided upon because of all of the games lost due to the weather this past season.  This should be an interesting experience, and will certainly set the tone for the season, especially regarding the pitching.  The UAA tournament will follow the Tampa games, which will be tough enough anyway.  Good competition!!!
Title: Re: Liberty League
Post by: Bob Maxwell on October 19, 2007, 06:27:19 AM
That is an interesting idea... play some conference games early in warm weather.   Not only will it help with the fight against the weather that happens in the Northeast every year... but it will most likely mean that the top two pitchers from each team will get an extra start in the conference games.

Is that something everyone in the confernece is doing?  Or just the Rochester team?

Very creative and interesting...
Title: Re: Liberty League
Post by: John McGraw on October 19, 2007, 10:30:02 AM
St. Lawrence and Union did the same thing last year. They played four games in Port Charlotte, Fla., in late March. And, according to St. Lawrence's schedule, they'll be doing it again this year.

If you have to play conference games in Florida because of poor weather in upstate New York; you have too many conference games.

Twenty-four conference games is a ridiculous number, especially given the fact that the season runs for a little over two months. I'd be OK with 18; play a three-game weekend series as opposed to back-to-back doubleheaders on Saturday and Sunday and then you have a little more reasonable number.

Division I plays a three-game weekend series either Friday-Saturday-Sunday or a doubleheader Saturday and a single game on Sunday.

Title: Re: Liberty League
Post by: Bob Maxwell on October 20, 2007, 09:21:55 AM
The four game series was talked about on this thread last year... I agree, cut it to 3 games and play more non-conference games.  Does this League play 24 games?
Title: Re: Liberty League
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 20, 2007, 10:45:23 AM
This strategy only helps the conference if those extra 6 games are:

1)  played against teams within a 200-mile radius,
2)  played against teams in the New York Region, or
3)  played against teams in Adminstrative Region #2 (NY and PA).

One must always remember the Regional focus of D3 especially in the framework of these two questions.

"How many days of class will the students miss?"

"How much money will it cost our budget?"

;)
Title: Re: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on October 21, 2007, 06:33:37 PM
Bob.....Ralph......

I would love to see Rochester play other competitive teams instead of piling-on two doubleheaders, but then how do you schedule games?  Could they play games with other teams from the SUNYAC or Empire 8 besides Brockport, Ithaca, St. John Fisher, RIT?  Could those games be more meaningful?

I think time and distance are the big concerns.  What do you think?
Title: Re: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on October 21, 2007, 08:57:31 PM
I just looked at our schedule for 08, and it looks like UR plays a DH against Keuka and Medialle.  So.......UR is trying to get other schools into their schedule.  How are those teams as far as being competitive?
Title: Re: Liberty League
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 21, 2007, 09:52:12 PM
Quote from: BoomerIL on October 21, 2007, 08:57:31 PM
I just looked at our schedule for 08, and it looks like UR plays a DH against Keuka and Medialle.  So.......UR is trying to get other schools into their schedule.  How are those teams as far as being competitive?
Keuka is from the NEAC and went 9-18/8-10.  The NEAC is a new conference that has a fluctuating membership.

Medaille is in the AMCC, which is a slightly stronger conference.  They went 15-22/13-5.

Here are their 2007 results (http://www.medaille.edu/mavericks/baseball/0607.asp).  They played several games versus SUNYAC teams which is a good conference.

Title: Re: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on October 21, 2007, 11:02:44 PM
Ralph....

Thanks!!  Good information for me to follow-up on.  Hopefully UR will improve upon last seasons results, they only lost 3 seniors, two pitchers and our 1b/DH.
Title: Re: Liberty League
Post by: Bob Maxwell on October 22, 2007, 09:41:31 AM
Ralph,

Where do you come up with the regional records so easily?  Is there a web site or do you just have them from the end of the season last year?

Bob
Title: Re: Liberty League
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 22, 2007, 09:50:15 AM
Bob, those records were for season and conference.

I have not found an up-to-date source for regional records.

I do try to remember which team is in which region and the remember the 200-mile radius and administrative region provisions.

Please remember, an in-region game can occur in Florida.  I usually have to look at each schedule individually.

Pat Coleman's linkages with D3scoreboard.com will help us some with regional records, but the cancellations and postponements in baseball among 360 teams for a 40 game schedule is much harder to follow than football and basketball combined.
Title: Re: Liberty League
Post by: Bob Maxwell on October 22, 2007, 03:24:53 PM
Ralph,

I thought that you may have had a web site or other source that has the two records listed on it.  Guess you have to go through the record each time...  Yes, it is much tougher with baseball because of the cancellations and number of games.

I've gone through some teams schedules/results as we all have at the end of a year... but I always miss a game or two.

The only source I know that gives everyone's records... and is only their overall record - no tthe regional one is the Boydsworld.com with the ISR's...  Problem is that doesn't come out until the fall sometime.  And without any regional ranking number is not helpful when discussing the bids to the NCAA.

Just wondered if you had a reference or source...
Title: 2008 Season And Liberty League
Post by: pavanyks on February 09, 2008, 11:30:32 AM
What fresh faces are back in the liberty league?

Rochester should have a strong pitching staff. 
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on February 09, 2008, 01:14:54 PM
We hope the pitching staff is strong, you never know.  Rochester lost two pitchers, their 3 or 4 starter, and their set-up guy.  They still have there #1 and #2, but their #3 might be fighting to move into the #1 or #2 spot.  Still have some good middle guys, and our closer looks stronger.  One or two freshman could contribute.  Defensively they have gotten stronger.  The big question comes from the offensive side of the team.  Their "power" production should improve, but how much I don't know, but anything more than two home runs is a big improvement.  They need to get their averages up, and have more timely hitting.  IF, and I do emphasize IF, they can put it all together, they have an excellent chance of winning the conference title.

They played very well against the big name schools with some good wins, but faltered at the end due to a lack of hitting, and obviously run production.  Their defense really helped them as their defensive stats showed.  But, you can't win games without runs!!   
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: pavanyks on February 09, 2008, 06:40:32 PM
I agree offense has to pick it up.  Any Freshmen who can contribute?

Where will they get some power from?  There field isn't really conducive to home field HOME RUns its a poke in the gaps.

RPI is always tough.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: pavanyks on February 09, 2008, 06:42:53 PM
Defensively stronger?  Isn't there whole infield back, how do you get stronger.


I mentioned RPI I also like Clarkson.
Title: 2008: Liberty League
Post by: pavanyks on February 09, 2008, 06:45:41 PM
I like RPI always and clarkson.

I started  a new thread cause it was too hard to get at the liberty league one from last year.

Rochester has strong pitchers and all returning infielders.  Power and Slugging percentage has to increase along with overall team speed and defense.

Will see how they do.  But they haven't won liberty league ever to my knowledge.
Title: Re: 2008: Liberty League
Post by: pavanyks on February 09, 2008, 06:57:21 PM
Griffin and Valentine

should have good years for RPI like they did last year.   

Pitching wise they have Zongol and Opperman back, they are losing Driemiller and Titcomb who will be hard to replace.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on February 09, 2008, 07:48:03 PM
pavanyks.....

The infield should return as is with the exception of Infurna who graduated.  The need for someone at first will be filled with no problems.  With some of the non-starters from last season, these kids could get more field time since UR will be graduating Kahovec at short and Vanderstyne who was at second and DH's.  The outfield will still be strong with defense and speed.  The team defense was the best in the Liberty League last season.  They could improve on their averages and show some more power, which they are capable of, but only time will tell.

They have some good freshman and a transfer from Fordham that could be one of the everyday outfielders, or the DH.  He may be one of the starters, and won't know until the season is underway.  We'll know more once we're down in Florida.  Who ever is in the outfield, they have plenty of speed and defensive skills to hoefully keep their fielding percentages high.

The playing field is an odd shape to say the least, and the gaps are big.  I think they need to focus on 'on-base percentage' before anything.  The slugging percetanges will hopefully follow.

RPI is very tough, and Zongol can be very hard to hit if your not patient at the plate.  He is hitable if you can be patient!  Don't count out St. Lawrence or Skidmore who snuck into the tournament.

Why are they losing Dreimiller and Titcomb?
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: VictoryLane on February 10, 2008, 12:41:26 AM
Kahovec and Vanderstyne are the middle infielders correct?  There was another kid last year they played lots at 2b.  Stein.  Are they projected infielders?

Will Vanderstyne play outfield or 2b?  Seems like competition is up this year if Fordham kid may DH, and they have a few catchers who play 1b as well.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: VictoryLane on February 10, 2008, 12:46:44 AM
Isn't Fordham transfer a CF?  I think i saw an intramural game in fall and he made a great catch in CF.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on February 10, 2008, 02:21:35 PM
I would assume that Kahovec and Vanderstyne are going to be the infielders at short and second with Blayne Fuke at third.  Stein did play some last season.  First base could see Brien or Sullivan, or whom ever.  Don't know.  Sullivan also catches.

The outfield was pretty solid last year with Bard, Cannon, and Kloc, so who knows what will happen this season.  Every player knows that they have to prove themselves all of the time, work hard or harder to maintain their position on the field and on the roster.  Nothing is taken for granted.  Just my opinion.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: VictoryLane on February 10, 2008, 03:45:19 PM
Box score indicated Stein was started.  JJ mostly DH, but did play second base toward the end of the year.  Stein played in 30 games and looks like he stared most.

Overall statistics on team says they are power starved.  So fordham transfer should make a big impact.  I agree starters from last year will be pushed.

Coach Reina should be in his glory, he is building a great team with lots of competition.  Competition (if it is healthy) will make the team stronger.

I still like RPI to win it all, Rochester should contend.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on February 10, 2008, 05:05:20 PM
RPI always seems to be favored to win conference, they have good teams.  They can be beat with good hitting, provided the balls fall in for hits!!!!!!!!!  Zongol was hit hard last season by UR, unfortuantely to the players in the field.  A sign of some good pitching.  Nevertheless, with some luck, he can be beat and is a much underrated pitcher.  He doesn't get any consideration from anyone in the polls on the other topic on this site for the New York region.

Coach Reina knows he has a team that can win conference, the team just has to go and do it!!  The pieces are there, and your correct when you say they are power starved.  Anything over two home runs is an improvement, but like I mentioned in an earlier post, getting guys on base and moving them along on a consistent bases will definitely improve their run production, and should lead to more wins.  Timely hitting I really believe will be a big factor in getting those victories.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: NYBB on February 11, 2008, 03:26:56 PM
My boy Pete McEaneny will kill this year and then get drafted in a late round out of UR.  Done.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on February 11, 2008, 09:55:18 PM
NYBB.....

Pete did great last season, and you know I'm certainly pulling for him to have even a better season this year.  Andy's really liked being on the team with him!  I really think these guys should have a better season than last year.  I've seen a lot of chemistry with these guys, this past season, and during this past fall time as well.  The Mrs. and me can't wait to get to Florida!!  Are you going down there?
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: anonymous234 on February 12, 2008, 06:28:04 PM
your boy pete better improve on that 5-5 record then if he's going to get drafted.  I understand a lot of you have personal ties with Rochester, but you can't overlook Skidmore again.  They only lost 2 players, are actually fully healthy (their ace, SS, number 2 starter), and at times they had 7 freshmen starting last year.  Only going to improve on last season with their pitchers gaining a year and everyone else gaining a year.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: StarvinMarvin on February 12, 2008, 06:31:49 PM
I enjoy seeing DIII players get the opportunity to play professionally, regardless of the program, but if Pete McEaneny is drafted I will match the typical $1,000 senior signing bonus given by the team that draft's him.  It ain't gonna happen.  Done.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: pavanyks on February 12, 2008, 07:21:12 PM
SKIDMORE are champs until someone takes it i agree.

Personally I like RPI this year and then Clarkson.

SKidmore and Rochester should be in the running.

Despite Rochester's defensive prowess last year, i felt they needed to improve in power hitting and up the middle defense. 

Defense wins champions in the NFL and baseball. 
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: anonymous234 on February 12, 2008, 08:05:59 PM
Clarkson must improve mightily from last year for you to put them over Skidmore, the defending champs, and Rochester, a tournament team.  I don't know how Clarkson is up there.  They had a decent offense, terrible defense, and average pitching.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: StarvinMarvin on February 12, 2008, 08:14:52 PM
Anonymous......pavanyks is the same guy who stated that d3baseball.com's #1 ranked team (Cortland) is in rebuilding mode this year.   
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: pavanyks on February 12, 2008, 09:09:24 PM
you don't lose guys like dougher (who was drafted) and expect to replace them easily.   Yes i think they are retooling their pitching staff.  Assman is not dougher.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: pavanyks on February 12, 2008, 09:12:33 PM
let me define rebuild ... so i don't get mis quoted or mis represented ... my bad for not making it clear.


Do i think cortland will be in a top 10 team yes.  DO i think Ithaca will be better yes.   So with that said i think Cortland will land 5-10 and hence it is a rebuilding year for team.

They set the standard in CNY along with Ithaca - no question.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: anonymous234 on February 13, 2008, 11:50:31 AM
Does a Rochester fan run this site?  They are picked as the darkhorse in the New York Regional and are going to challenge RPI?  Didn't they go 0-2 in the LL tournament last year and were out?  Oh yeah, they did.  That really is an amazing team to be returning most of.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: Jim Dixon on February 13, 2008, 12:45:25 PM
Quote from: anonymous234 on February 13, 2008, 11:50:31 AM
Does a Rochester fan run this site?  They are picked as the darkhorse in the New York Regional and are going to challenge RPI?  Didn't they go 0-2 in the LL tournament last year and were out?  Oh yeah, they did.  That really is an amazing team to be returning most of.

Rochester will certainly have a glass slipper on if they win the NY Regional.  RPI has always been the team to beat and nothing has changed this year.

Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: pavanyks on February 13, 2008, 07:13:40 PM
No one picked rochester in the whole thread.  I did see folks picking RPI, and Skidmore for the LIBERTY LEAGUE not new york regional.

No reference to NY regional at all in this thead.  My comments were in reference to Liberty League.


Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: VictoryLane on February 13, 2008, 08:05:56 PM
The reference was not to your posts, but it looks like d3baseball.coms new york region write up on the home page of d3baseball.com.    They listed Rochester as a dark horse for region and good chance in liberty league.  They have the pitching, and defense was good last year statistically.   

Power, Speed, and making "great" plays defensively and getting DP will be the key to their success.  Their pitching staff returns, but thye don't get lots of runs.  So it will sound funny but defense has to improve.

I still like Cortland or Ithaca in New York, and RPI for LL championship.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on February 13, 2008, 10:05:39 PM
pavanyks....

You mentioned in your post yesterday that Rochester needed to improve upon their power hitting, which I totally agree with.  You also mentioned that they needed to improve upon their "up the middle" defense.  Did I, am I missing something???  They turned a bunch of double plays, and their outfield defense was very, very good.  Could you please clarify what you said?

You also mentioned in an earlier post that RPI was going to miss Driemiller.  Could you clarify that as well?

Thanks
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: Bob Maxwell on February 14, 2008, 12:59:29 PM
SUNYAC fan here... but it is Great to see the lively discussion about the 2008 Liberty League season...  Darkhorse means they are a long shot to win the regional, so I think Rochester fits that not to win the conference...  And I think they will be one of 4 or 5 teams who are definitely in the mix to win the Liberty League AQ.

Only 15 days until the first SUNYAC starts play... when does the first Liberty team hit the field?

Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: anonymous234 on February 14, 2008, 03:26:27 PM
Let's break this down a little more to get to the bottom of things:

Vassar and Union were not very good last year, so it is hard to see them making a huge jump, but you never know, maybe they surprise this year.

Clarkson was not very good either last year, but perhaps they can bounce back with improved defense/pitching because they did have a good offense last year.

St. Lawrence was very good last year, but lost a lot of their team (Engebretson, etc.), so we'll have to wait and see if people can step in and perform to put St. Law back near the top.

RPI was very good last year and returns most of their team (Zongol, Driemiller, etc), so they will be tough.

Rochester was good last year, but behind Veenema, their starters were nothing spectacular, and their offense was not great, but return most of their team, so they should be tough.

And that leaves Skidmore, the defending LL champion.  I think it is hard to judge them because their regular season was nothing spectacular, but they obviously picked it up at the end.  However, their regular season did not include their best pitcher (Reilly, due to injury) for most of the season and their short stop (Brown, due to injury) for most of the season.  And also did not have their number two pitcher for the end of the season (Naslund) because of injury.  Now to project them for this year, they only lost 2 seniors, so they (like the people's fave Rochester), return most of their team that did a lot of things well.  Hopefully they wont have the injury bug hit them like it did last year and they can have their very good pitching staff and very good offense together for much of the season.

Just thought a real preview was necessary, any thoughts?  The LL should be very competitive as it normally is.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: pavanyks on February 14, 2008, 07:59:28 PM
Quote from: BoomerIL on February 13, 2008, 10:05:39 PM
pavanyks....

You mentioned in your post yesterday that Rochester needed to improve upon their power hitting, which I totally agree with.  You also mentioned that they needed to improve upon their "up the middle" defense.  Did I, am I missing something???  They turned a bunch of double plays, and their outfield defense was very, very good.  Could you please clarify what you said?

You also mentioned in an earlier post that RPI was going to miss Driemiller.  Could you clarify that as well?

Thanks
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My Bad on Driemiller he was a freshmen last year.  RPI is one of few teams with JV system which i think give them an edge.

Rochester is going to be tough.  Defensively I believe they were second in league with DP last year.  Give pitchers some credit for that.  I looked up rochesters stats from last year they were second from last in batting average .268 but surprisingly 2nd in run production with 211.  So despite only 2 HR they are efficient scoring runs.   The pitchers were second in the league in strikeouts, but gave up the Most BB balls.   So if they cut down on the walks, and force players to hit more you will just need better D.  They were the best on defensve but as pitchers stop walking players, they will have to get them out with the gloves.  I think their middle with the two kids from Victor and Stein are pretty solid.  So those 3 kids are all returning.  And 3b played every game last year.  They did lose 1b, by they have quite a few guys that can play 1b.   

So when i say defense ahs to improve, i mean in context of PO, Assists, and more DP and that will happen by pitchers giving up less BB.   
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BaseB13 on February 14, 2008, 08:14:14 PM
Why don't I throw some sense in to this conversation.  No offense to Vassar and Union, but after two consecutive seasons with less than 10 overall wins, it's difficult to imagine them making a leap to the top of the conference in one year.  Don't think there's been a team to go from last place in the conference to first place in the conference since Skidmore did it in 2005, and they've hung around the top since then.  So, not to bash their programs, but they're probably not going to be winning it.

Remaining teams leaves you with Clarkson who won a meager 7 games last year (6 of which were in conference).. They'll need some massive improvement as well to compete for the league championship.. Maybe even a stud pitcher to fall in to their lap again like that Nolan kid back in the late 90's.. Doubt that'll happen.  So they're more than likely not going to be in the conference tournament unless the remaining four teams get banged up or stumble along the way.  I do wonder what happened to their program.. Ever since their "Fabulous 4" pitchers or whatever joke name they were known as graduated, they just havent been the same.  Never could win the big one when they had the horses to do it.  

RPI - Obviously the perennial favorite to win the conference.  They seem to be good at winning the regular season title when it's apparent their hitters are the best at beating on teams number 3 and 4's.  Tournament play rolls around though and they seem to meet their match against other teams aces.  It's been how many years since they won the conference?  I guess theyre always the favorite but, "what have you done for me lately red hawks?".. Their only NCAA appearance was an at large bid the first year the field expanded.  If it weren't for that they wouldn't have tasted regional play since '04.  (Not a fan of the expanded NCAA field personally, not with the odd goofy numbers anyways)

St Lawrence - Looks like they've graduated Kerr, Gipson, Engebereon, and Yaworsky which have been staples in the line up/rotation for the last few years.  Looks like they have some big holes to fill.  However, Coach Fay always seems to have his team atleast in the middle of the pack.. I'd guess they take the 4 seed in the tournament, and even with this seed, they'll put up a fight.  They always do.

Skidmore - Looks like they only graduated Salamone and Hutchison.. Replacing 30+ stolen bases is tough from Hutchison, but let's be serious, Coach Plourde always seems have the Thouroughbreds swiping a ton of bases regardless of who's on the team.  Do they ever not steal 100 bases a year?  Looks like Salamone was one of their go to power hitters but again, 2 sticks can be replaced.  The big question for Skidmore is, can they stay healthy?  Based on their performance in the LL Tourney last year, they have 3 arms that can win the big games. If theyre healthy and an additional arm or two steps up in the rotation, their pitching is as strong as anyones and they return a team that finished hitting .300 after NCAA play.

Rochester - Looks like there's a lot of people on this board hoping, praying, doing just about anything to get a Liberty League Conference Tournament victory.  What are they now? 0 - 10 in Tourney play?  Makes you wonder if they'll ever produce a team that's as solid as their NCAA Tourney team in '99.  Looks like they lost their #3 starter Noon.  Can't really tell who their #4 was.  We don't even need to talk about who/if they graduated anyone from their lineup because let's be serious, the offense was anemic.  They'll need some new bats infused into that lineup if they want to contend.  The top of their rotation is strong, but in the end it hasnt been able to win a liberty league game yet.  I mean they did lose 17 - 0 two years ago in round 1.  That doesn't say much in the opening game of LL Play to have your ace give up SEVENTEEN runs.  Last year was much more respectable but again, I dont care how good your pitching is if you hit .250.  

So my prediction is this, regular season standings will end with 1) Rpi 2) Skidmore 3) Rochester 4) St Lawrence 5) Clarkson 6) Union 7) Vassar

I'll give RPI the benefit of the doubt with that one spot but I think the loss of a guy like Pollard and some pitching makes them suspect.  I'd have no problem putting Skidmore in the 1 with RPI down in the 2 or 3 slot but let's give them one more chance to actually win the conference when they're the one seed.  However, when it comes to the conference play.. I have a tough time betting against a team that is 6 - 0 in Tourney Play, ran the table last year with a team of freshmen and sophomores and basically graduated nobody.  Skidmore will win the conference tournament (Assuming they stay healthy).  Rochester fans you'll put up a battle because of your pitching but you'll go down due to feeble hitting. (Maybe you'll get a LL Tourney win for the first time).  I'd like to think the conference will improve from last year because some of the overall records were abysmal.  However, when teams are playing 24 games against eachother it makes it difficult to have the overall record of the conference be too great.  

I think whoever wins will still struggle overcoming Cortland in the NCAA tournament.  I don't care who they graduated, they have an army of players on their team.  The sheer number of players on some of those state school rosters is ridiculous.  You never know.  Regardless of who wins the confernence, Let's Go Liberty League (which by the way is one of the dumbest names ever, UCAA was much cooler).
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BaseB13 on February 14, 2008, 08:24:18 PM
Quote from pavanyks:  They were the best on defensve but as pitchers stop walking players, they will have to get them out with the gloves.  I think their middle with the two kids from Victor and Stein are pretty solid.  So those 3 kids are all returning.  And 3b played every game last year.


I am hoping you are only referring to defense with this statement.  No offense, and I'm simply stating facts but one of the players you mentioned went 8 for 61.  I don't call that "solid" at all.  Infact, I would hope that if anyone was hitting below .150 with that many at bats that they'd be AMAZING defensively.  Surprised coach stuck with someone that long.  Didn't they have anyone else to put out there?  Another middle infielder had three at bats.  Maybe he should have gotten a few more looks.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: VictoryLane on February 14, 2008, 08:26:24 PM
I agree with your comments.  RPI are favorites. 

Do any of these teams have any Freshmen that can see time in 2008?
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: NYBB on February 14, 2008, 09:26:10 PM
UofR should let McEaneny hit.  the kid can mash.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: VictoryLane on February 14, 2008, 09:34:42 PM
High school kids don't bat these days, let alone colleges. 

This ain't 1980.  Its 2007.  Its a different game.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on February 15, 2008, 11:50:21 AM
pavanyks....

Thanks for the clarification.

anonymous234.....BaseB13.....

The batting average for Rochester was extremely low, granted.  They did have several freshman as regulars play last season that contributed.  This year seems to have a few more freshman that could get into the line-up as well.  Defensively, they have improved their infield defense, by how much, I don't know, but the competition is there for playing time.  It has gotten stronger.  The same can be said for the outfield positions.  More competition for field time.  It all boils down to who is hitting.  Ha-ha, go ahead and laugh, but you know what I mean.  Those players that hit, will see time over those that don't, whether they are good defensively or not.  That's the way it has been in baseball for almost ever.  "If you hit, you will play".  Those are my words!!

As far as the LL tournament is concerned, I don't have an answer for that.  Last year saw the team virtually stop hitting when they were near the end of the season.  It's a mystery!  As far as the 17-0 defeat two years ago, there were internal reasons on the team that created that poor performance which I won't discuss here.  Last season they did score a lot of runs without any big hitting numbers, and will continue to work to improve on their hitting and on-base percentages.  This season looks brighter with some players that were not on the team that should improve the offensive stats.  This includes a player that was a injured redshirt, a transfer, and several freshman.  I hope I'm right in what I saw in the fall and what I'm hearing from within.

RPI and St.Lawrence are always tough, not to leave out Skidmore, but to me, how Rochester plays against Cortland, Brockport, Ithaca, and St.John Fisher means more.  Yes, conference wins are what gets you to the tournament, but wins or respectable outings (I hate to think this way about outings) against the Cortlands, etc., tells me more about the quality of the team.  I have always felt that any-team-on-any-given-day-can-beat-another-team.  How Rochester plays against those teams, and especially against the conference teams will be most interesting to me and should make a big difference. 

NYBB.....

I couldn't agree with you more!!!  Will you be in Florida?
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: VictoryLane on February 15, 2008, 08:25:58 PM
I don't see many Freshmen on the team  mostly pitchers.   But maybe i'm not looking at the right roster.

The WR in football Vanderstyne and Kahovec will be the starters (Victor boys I think) 8), So i don't know where you see the competition coming maybe at catcher.  All the other positions except for 1b have guys returning.

Veneema should again be the ace.

I still think RPI is too strong.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: anonymous234 on February 15, 2008, 08:58:19 PM
Boomer, it doesn't matter how well Rochester plays against Cortland and Ithaca and St John Fisher unless they play well against them in the NCAA tournament, and to do that, they need to beat their conference foes first.  Also, you can't blame an anemic offense on freshmen playing because Skidmore would start 6+ freshmen a game and still hit over .300, not to mention the plattsburgh game where they started 8 freshmen and smoked plattsburgh.  Freshmen can still hit.

BaseB13, I like your thoughts.  Seems as though we agree on a few counts. 
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: anonymous234 on February 15, 2008, 09:00:25 PM
NYBB, I think you have a man crush on McEaneny.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BaseB13 on February 16, 2008, 12:54:20 AM
Boomer.. Perhaps you enjoy playing competitive games non league but those games are pretty much meaningless to Rochester's chance to appear in regionals.. Regionals is the first step in competing for a national championship which I am assuming most teams play for.  How your team performs against Cortland's #5, Brockport's #5 etc doesn't mean much.  Facing midweek starters is not indicative of how a team is going to perform in tournament play.  As for St John Fisher and Ithaca, being independent teams, it's in their best interest to stack their pitching against their best opponents each week.  So often times they can save a top pitcher to throw on a Wednesday against a solid squad (Such as a U of R), and then throw their #5 on the weekend versus a Utica.  So I dont think those games are indicative of much either. This is why a midweek Ithaca vs Cortland battle is somewhat meaningless if Cortland has to play the likes of a Brockport, Oneonta, or Plattsburgh before or after that game.  Cortland's best will be saved for the confernece games.  So back to the Liberty League, I am by no means saying Rochester doesn't have a chance.  Their #1 and #2 are solid, however, a young freshmen laden team from last year needs to step it up.  Other teams such as RPI and Skidmore had plenty of young guys who came in and contributed in their first year.  It's quite possible any team could bring in a bunch of freshmen the way Skidmore did last year and have them contribute significantly and run the table.  If Rochester can inject the bats with some hits then they are defintiely dangerous.  However, I'll believe it when I see it.  I am sure Coach Reina is doing everything he can think of to get the bats going and I don't think the Yellowjackets should be taken lightly, no team should be.  Very interested to see the results of the match up between Skidmore and Rochester in Florida.  You never know with those early season games... Anything can happen...
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: NYBB on February 16, 2008, 02:28:03 AM
lol no man crush.  I played with Pete in HS for the NY Angels sandlot team out of Monroe HS in the Bronx.  We played under NY legend Burt Beagle (RIP) and I watched Pete mash for three years.  We then played against each other in our HS league (IVY Prep) and once again, he mashed.  If people are saying that U of R can't hit, why not let this guy take a few swings?

I think it's ridiculous that some schools don't let pitchers bat.  Pitchers can hit!  Case and point, Tim Hudson is one of Auburn's all time RBIs leader and played CF practically every day he did not pitch. 

I know this isn't HS but for serious; most pitchers were and still are the best BASEBALL players on their teams.  It's not like they lose their abilities once they go from HS to college.  Ridiculous.  I would put a starting college team together with a catcher and 8 pitchers if i could.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on February 16, 2008, 12:00:02 PM
VictoryLane....

With respect given to the upper classman, they will probably start.  Your correct. However, you know as well as I do that there is only so much time that can be given to an upper classman if they are not performing.  I'm not saying they can't or won't, I'm saying that hitting will be key as to who plays and who doesn't.

There are players that are "back-ups" that may get playing time, again based upon how the starters are performing.  And as far as RPI being to strong, the only really impressive player I saw last season was Zongol.  UR playing head-to-head with RPI was no problem last season.  The conference tournament became a problem for UR with no hitting, which we all know.  But, don't put RPI on the pedestal yet!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on February 16, 2008, 12:29:15 PM
anonymous234....BaseB13....

I totally agree with both of your comments!!  But let me explain why I'm looking at things this way.

Yes, Rochester has to concern themselves with their own conference play inorder to get to, and hopefully win the Liberty League title.  RPI and the others aren't just going to rollover and hand anything to UR.  When I talk about games against Cortland, Brockport, Ithaca, St.John Fisher, I look at the quality of those teams and the fact that UR has to play team.  A tough schedule.  Now you know as well as I do that those teams will not start their best pitchers, or maybe even have all of their starters on the field during those particular games.  Why should they, its Rochester.  I look at the how those games will effect Rochester's team as far as playing ability and overall mental confidence is concerned.  Your probably thinking that I'm getting way to analytical!!!

I learned a long time ago that for an individual to get better at their respective position, or game, no matter what sport, they have to be challenged by better competition.  You learn from these experiences and hopefully make yourself better in the process.  Coach Reina has always looked to play the better teams in a non-conference setting.  UR played against Emory, Wash. U., Brockport, RPI, Ithaca, St.John Fisher last season, and they played well against them.  All conference or nationally ranked teams.  Are they at the same levels?  Most will say no.  Some will say they are not far away from that.  That's the position that I take, not to far away.  Yes, there are roster turnovers every year, but the better quality programs today seem to be more appealing than Rochester, and thats o.k.  Coach Reina is a heck of a good coach and is really building a good, good program.

Yes, I'm at Rochester "homer" and I'm proud of it.  For those kids to be able to play against some of the top DIII programs in the country is exciting for me to hear about if not watch.  Those guys would probably be upset me for saying that, because they feel they can compete and beat anyone of those teams, and they probably will.

JMHO   :)
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: VictoryLane on February 16, 2008, 02:44:11 PM
Boomer

Two Questions:

When all the guys returning for Rochester (starters with exception of Infurna (sp?).  They have two choices improve organically (via kids getting better in off season) or not improve at all by not having any new names/faces in the lineup.  So they are at interesting point.   (1) Which do  you think they are and what new faces may see time? Any new pitchers that will crack starting rotation? Any power hitters?

(2) What makes you think you guys have done something to improve on last years playoff experience and what makes you think you will ever get by the powerhouse of RPI  Zugol Driemilelr (SP?)? 

Thanks
Victory  ;D ;D
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BaseB13 on February 16, 2008, 05:40:29 PM
Boomer... UR does play a pretty difficult schedule.  I'll give you that.  But I'd say most of the top teams in the conference attempt to play a strong non-league schedule.  UR has an advantage in scheduling this because they're forced to play their UAA schedule which is grueling, no doubt.  Up north, UR schedules Ithaca, Cortland, Fisher, RIT, and Brockport.. Sold non league schedule..
RPI does similar scheduling with Plattsburgh, William Paterson,  Montclair, Williams, and a Castleton
Skidmore also plays Plattsburgh, Williams, Middlebury, and Castleon (no surprise in the similarities to RPI because their close to eachother)
St Lawrence plays Plattsburgh, Ithaca, RIT, Oswego
etc. etc. I'd say for the most part it appears the teams in the conference scheduling solid in region opponents from other conferences.. However, as I've said before, for the LL especially, these games are not nearly as important because it's going to be incredibly difficult for a LL team to get an at large big now that there are 24 conference games.  It's just extremely difficult to schedule enough quality opponents to sneak in at large.  RPI managed to do it a couple years ago but I'd say they got in more on reputation than their actual strength of schedule.  The expanded regional field does help but in the end it appears the switch to 24 games seems to be a sign that the coaches seem to really want to emphasize the automatic bid for the LL.   

Victory Lane while Boomer ponders your question about Rochester overcoming the "powerhouse" team of RPI, answer this for me.. When was the last time RPI won the conference?  I'd say the answer to that question would be indicative of why Rochester or any other team can overcome this juggernaut you speak of.

Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on February 16, 2008, 07:57:39 PM
VictoryLane....

Since you have already given RPI the conference title for 2008, maybe we should end this conversation?  Nah!!!

While last seasons record speaks for itself, what makes you think that RPI is so superior?  Their pitching, Zongol and Dreimiller?  I have supported Zongol on this website for the simple fact that he was not even mentioned in Collegiate Baseball Newspaper as being a NCAA Division III Player To Watch.  I guess he isn't that special.  But I disagree with that.  He's a very good pitcher.  But let me take it a step or two further.

When RPI came to Rochester for the Liberty League conference games, Zongol pitched a very good game only giving up 3 runs in a 3-0 shutout.  Nice job Joe!  Even though UR hit him pretty hard, the balls were hit to someone.  That to me is the sign of a good pitcher that can keep the ball on the ground, up in the air, or not in play at all.  That's baseball.  The next game saw Dreimiller pitch 4.2 innings giving up 3 runs, Klein going 0.2 innings giving up 7 runs, Opperman going 1.0 inning giving up 2 runs, Napier going 0.2 innings giving up 2 runs, and finally Novick going 1.0 inning giving up 1 run.  Rochester won 15-4.  Now, going into the LL tournament game against Zongol, Joe pitched 8.0 innings giving up 3 runs with Klein pitching 1.0 inning and giving up 0 runs in a 5-3 win over Rochester.  Rochester had seven hits total, all off of Zongol while giving up 10 of their own to RPI.

Please VictoryLane, don't give-up on Rochester yet this coming season.  If they do win the season against Rochester, and even make it to the NCAA tournament, I will humbely admit defeat and give RPI praise, but don't expect UR to roll-over to anyone.  See you in Rochester for the conference championship!!   :-* 
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on February 16, 2008, 08:10:43 PM
BaseB13....

I agree with your post, and thanks for understanding!!  For the most part, all schools do want to play better competition.  As far as getting an "at-large" bid or Pool C bid, it is probably impossible for a Liberty League team to do this.  There are so many quality teams out there that have been in-contention or close to being so in making the NCAA tournament, that with their consistent records year in and year out, are given the respect and benefit of the doubt that they will be strong enough to compete in that environment.  They deserve to be!

I just think that it is better for a team to play better competition anytime they can schedule it.  I do believe that some schools avoid it.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: VictoryLane on February 16, 2008, 10:54:00 PM
RPI won like 12 regular season titles from 1994 until now.  That is like 12 titles in 15 years.  Whether they win tournament or not unless its a seven game serious it doesn't mean the best team always wins.  Enuff said.


Boomeril - still waiting to hear if Rochester has any new impact players or will it be the same old same old team.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on February 16, 2008, 11:39:27 PM
VictoryLane....

Gee Vic, I really don't know what to say.  I guess you have me stumped!!!  Impact player?  Lets see.....nope, still don't have one.  Yeah, I really do, and several, but you know what, when I'm in Troy for the season series, I'll tell you what, I will buy you dinner at ANY place you chose (in the Troy area) if RPI wins the season series.  If UR wins, you buy me dinner!  Sound fair?  Because to me impact players don't always perform, and neither do the (in your opinion, inferior players).  Its the team that wins or loses.  Remember, 'any team on any given day can beat any other team'.  And since you have already given the series, and perhaps the conference title to your beloved RPI, and since your such a RPI "homer" like I'm a Rochester "homer," do we have a wager???

Oh, maybe we can get St. Lawrence, Skidmore, and maybe even some of the other LL teams in on this.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: StarvinMarvin on February 17, 2008, 12:01:01 AM
I'm gonna throw my two cents in on RPI.  They are a quality opponent for anyone but I believe that their lack of recent post-season success can be attributed to their schedule.  They don't schedule IC and Cortland anymore in the regular season and their spring trip has few quality opponents year in and year out.  Their toughest games come on their weekend trip to Jersey along with some conference games but aside from conference games you need to schedule as many regional type opponents as possible in my opinion.  RPI gets so caught up in wins to secure a Pool B that they fail to gain experience from playing games in a regional type atmosphere during the regular season.  Until they start playing better teams, I feel that they will continue to struggle in the post-season.  Again, just my two cents.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: pavanyks on February 17, 2008, 12:05:01 PM
Rochester has one exceptional transfer from Fordham.  CF.  He is outstanding in power, speed, and glove.  He should disrupt the of and cause things to juggle around.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: VictoryLane on February 17, 2008, 12:08:55 PM
Boomeril,

i can't take your money.  I just want to gets some good dialog going.  RPI should do it.  Look a the numbers they speak for themselves.

I agree in anything other than a 7 game series anyone can win it.  Cause you don't have to expose all your pitchers.

none the less it should be a fun season, look at what skidmore did last year.  Anyone can win.  It will come down to who is hot.   

So you never anwered my question,  do you have any impact players that are freshmen?

Or are you keeping it a secret?

Haha,
Have a great season
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BaseB13 on February 17, 2008, 01:51:53 PM
StarvinMarvin - Who would you like to see RPI drop from their schedule?  Their non conference games are as good as any team in New Yorks, maybe other than the Spring trip schedule but much of that depends on who is in the same area as yourself.  They play strong non conference schedule.  That's not the problem.  The problem is RPI as a team is usually the deepest as far as arms and bats etc.  They can withstand an injury.  Theyre the only team in the conference with a JV team.  So when regular season rolls around, their 3 and 4 could quite possibly be better than most other teams.  However, their #1 and #2 are not.  It seems every team in the conference tournament can throw out a legit top guy, and thus it's any teams game to win.  I just don't see how if RPI plays Ithaca instead of Williams (not much difference between these two squads IMO), that they'll be able to stop choking in the conference tournament.

VictoryLane - What have the redhawks done for you lately bud?  No one cares that they've won x amount of regular season titles.  Back then, the regular season title didn't mean anything until 2000.  Therefore teams didnt throw their best guys in conference all the time because there wasnt an automatic bid.  No one remembers the team that won the regular season title but didn't win the conference tournament, except for maybe you because that's the only consolation you have walking away from the season.

Over the last give years this is what you get in the LL:

Skidmore - 2 Conference Championships ('05, '07)
St. Lawrence - 1 Conference Championship ('06)
RPI - 2 Conference Championships ('04, '03)

On top of that RPI hasn't even played in the FINALS of the conference tournament since 2004.  And granted they technically won the conference tournament in '03 but they were losing the elimination game when it got called for rain. 

As for regular season titles that you need to cling to see your team can't win the big one, RPI ('03, '06, '07 (failed to even make the finals as the #1 seed)), Clarkson ('04), Skidmore ('05)..

So ya RPI was great in the 90's and won plenty of conference titles that didn't mean much.  But based on the recent facts, and the fact that RPI did graduate some solid ball players where as teams like Rochester and Skidmore graduated pretty much no one, and RPI cannot close the deal, I'd like to know exactly why RPI is such a favorite to win it all this year? Your justification would be like me, as a Yankee fan, saying we're winning the world series this year because we won it in '96, '98, '99, and '00.  Doesn't make sense.  I hope you didn't actually go to RPI because then I'd really wonder what they're teaching you in the class room as far as basic logic.

Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: StarvinMarvin on February 17, 2008, 04:59:49 PM
BasebB13, you are absolutely out of your mind if you think that RPI's non-conference schedule is as good as any other team in NY.  Their spring trip is stronger than in past years but they play very few non-conference games and I did give them credit for playing Montclair and Willy P. but MCLA, Williams and Plattsburgh hardly can be considered a strong group on non-conference opponents.  How can you even debate the difference between playing Williams and Ithaca?  When was the last time any of the three non-conference opponents I mentioned were in a regional tournament?  That's the difference my friend.  I'm not saying they have to drop anyone but they should try to play the best teams in their region in my opinion.  They don't travel to play teams in Virgina or Maryland before their spring trip like Cortland for example who is heading to NC and VA this weekend to play NC Wesleyan, Rowan, Mary Washington and Randolph-Macon.  I'll use Cortland for example again when comparing schedules and your claim that RPI's is as good as anyone's NY.  Cortland plays a very challenging schedule on their spring trip with Wheaton twice, College of NJ twice, Hopkins and Willy P.  along with Bowdoin who is a very solid team.  When they come up north their non-conference schedule features Ithaca (regional team) twice, U of R., Manhattanville (regional team), Fisher (regional team),  Montclair twice, Keystone who is very very good, and St. Joseph's (LI) to name a few.  With that being said, there is a major difference between the two schedules.   I've looked at very few teams schedules but Brockport also has a similar schedule in terms of difficulty.  Playing good teams throughout the season, especially those with post-season experience, has a  great deal to do with preparing your team to compete in a regional.  I just think it would do RPI a world of good to play better teams and until they do so I think they will continue to struggle.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: NYBaseball on February 17, 2008, 07:40:47 PM
RPI definately doesn't really have a strong schedule at all, and i don't know how anyone can argue that.....its a joke they wont schedule ithaca,cortland......2 yrs ago i think it definately helped RPI get an NCAA bid by not having played any of the top tier NY Region teams....but hopefully the new OWP and OOWP will force teams to schedule better teams if they are hoping to being in contention for a pool C bid.  It also helps prepare your team for postseason play by playing a tougher non-conference schedule
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: StarvinMarvin on February 17, 2008, 07:46:26 PM
NY, I couldn't agree more!  I stand corrected on Williams, I believe they were a regional participant last year but still are not of Ithaca's caliber in my opinion.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BaseB13 on February 17, 2008, 10:04:10 PM
Ok you guys are pretty clueless.  a)  RPI and the rest of the Liberty League HAS to play less non conference games because the LL plays 24 conference games.  This is a liberty league forum so when referring to their non conference schedules I was generally comparing them to the rest of the LL.
We can both agree that if a team goes to florida, it's difficult to control who each team plays because they're dictated by when their spring break is etc.  Unless you'd like to argue that?..

Now you're comparing RPI's schedule saying its not that strong to the rest of the region and then you use Cortland's schedule, the number 1 team in the country, as your comparison.  I'd bet, without looking at most schools schedules, that Cortland's schedule is BY FAR the exception, not the rule.  So if you want to take my statements out of context thats fine, but let's atleast compare RPI's schedule to what most in region teams do, NOT Cortland.   And by the way, are you even aware of the geography of New York?  Driving to Ithaca and Cortland MID week for a capital region team would not be feasible for either opponent.  This is why you see teams like Skidmore, RPI, etc playing New England schools such as Middlebury,Williams, MCLA etc.  But I guess you werent aware that the Albany area is that close to Massachusetts and Vermont?  You definitely don't have a degree from a LL school because I don't think they admit people with so little intelligence in to the high caliber institutions that comprise the conference.

So why don't you instead compare RPI's non league schedule to a handful of teams in region and see how it stacks up.  Then you should remember the 24 game conference schedule the LL plays.  Or wait, would you like to see RPI play Ithaca mid week so Ithaca can throw their #1 against RPI while throws their #5 because their conference games actually MEAN something.  And of course RPI will drive three and a half hours each way on a week day to do this, then drive home and still complete the requirements for their engineering degrees.  Now your statements are REALLY making sense. 

Finally, I will definitely tell you right now that in any given year Williams vs Ithaca is fairly equal.
         Williams                             Ithaca
2007 27 - 10                            26 - 13
2006 29 - 11                            33 - 11
2005 21 - 17                            25 - 15 - 2
2004 30 - 12                            34 - 9
2003 27 - 10                            24 - 12
2002 25 - 13                            27 - 18

I am not saying Williams is always better than Ithaca but I'm going to say over the last five years the programs are damn close.  It just so happens Ithaca makes the NCAA tournament every single year because theyre an independent team in a weaker region.  William has to win the NESCAC tournament which is as strong a conference as any tournament in New York.  And if they don't win it, they need to compete with a lot stronger teams for an at large bid.  So the answer to your question when you say, and I quote "How can you even debate the difference between playing Williams and Ithaca?"  is right above.  There's the difference, and it looks like there's pretty much no difference.  So while you're sitting there being all high and mighty about NY region baseball, I'd remind yourself that regions like New England are probably stronger and teams in other parts of NY play these teams.   You just happen to be completely unfamiliar with them apparently.  Oh and while we're at it, let's not forget Williams has basically a similar record to Ithaca while having Ivy League admission standards over the past 5 years.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BaseB13 on February 17, 2008, 10:11:47 PM
Starvin, one other thing, over those years you have Williams with a .685 winning percentage and Ithaca with a .678 winning percentage.  And if you want to try to argue strength of schedule there, don't bother. Williams beat teams like Eastern Ct. and Wisconsin Whitewater last year so I'd guess over the last five years they've scheduled some pretty quality opponents.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: StarvinMarvin on February 18, 2008, 05:04:39 PM
Let me first address the ability of a team to play a solid spring break schedule.  I understand that a team can only play those teams whose break coincides with their own.  However, a head coach can speak to the tournament director and ask to play the best teams available after looking at the list of the teams that will be in attendance.  There's no guarantee that every opponenet will be ranked and I'm not saying that every game should be against an elite program but ask and you will more than likely receive.  Florida used to be the hot spot but Arizona especially, Texas and California have become the destinations of the best programs as of late.  With that being said, I have to believe that RPI has a decent athletics budget and I don't know how much fundraising they do but why not go where the best teams are going?  It might be a bit more expensive to head West but I'm sure they have the funds to go play the best teams possible if they wanted to.  All I'm saying is challenge your team early and as often as possible.  You still haven't answered me as to why RPI doesn't play go play some teams from the south region prior to their spring trip.  Coach Steffen should be on the horn calling teams and scheduling games for this upcoming weekend next year.  Go to Virginia or Maryland and play 3 to 4 non-conference games instead of another weekend of practicing inside or are their engineering degrees going to suffer?  RPI is smart, they would rather manipulate the system by playing an average schedule, rack up as many wins as possible but not go out of their way to play as many quality opponents as possible.  This strategy backfired last year didn't it?  I just think that a coach needs to challenge his players and if that means having to travel a great distance to play one game against a good opponent then so be it.  Resting on your laurels will get you nowhere. 

I understand that the LL plays a 24 game schedule which makes non-conference games tough to fit in but I think RPI should drop MCLA and Plattsburgh to play Cortland or Ithaca as they used to do.  2006 was the first year that Cortland and Ithaca were not on RPI's schedule.  The teams played one time each year during the regular season and alternated who traveled each year and I don't believe anyone failed out of school because of this one trip that took place every other year.  Also, Cortland and Ithaca are not much further of a drive than the distance to Plattsburgh for RPI so there's no reason why it can't be done.  So your statements don't REALLY make much sense.  When RPI and Cortland/Ithaca played, I attended many of those games each year and I don't recall anyone throwing their number #1 because they all have conference games that MEAN something.  Ithaca's may not mean something because their conference doesn't have a automatic bid but the SUNYAC does.  RPI can continue to go and play New England region opponents instead of playing in-region games that could help them assure a spot in the regional if they fail to win their conference such as last year.  I don't need a LL degree to know the difference.     


Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BaseB13 on February 18, 2008, 05:58:17 PM
Starvin - I love how you didn't even bring up the topic of Williams and Ithaca because I completely destroyed your agrument.  Now I'll ruin the rest of your logic.  Last time RPI played Ithaca and Cortland in the regular season was in 2005.  Guess what? It was on a Saturday and a Sunday in April.  A mid week drive to Cortland is 3 to 3.5 hours.  Ithaca is even further.  Troy to Plattsburgh is 2 - 2.5 hours.  That's a big difference for a mid week game and I'd bet that this is a big reason they don't play mid week.  Plattsburgh won 25 games last year and 27 games the year before but they're not good competition either right? And you clearly think Williams is garbage even though they've been as good as Ithaca over the last five years.  Plus the NJAC schools they play.

As for the Spring Trip, did you even play college baseball?  Maybe schools like Ithaca, and Cortland don't have to fund raise for their trip and the school just pays for it.  But I know for sure that within as of 3 or 4 years ago Rochester and Skidmore both fundraise to pay for their spring trip.  I would bet that RPI fundraises for theirs too.  Most athletic department budgets DO NOT cover this.  So now you speak of traveling to California and Arizona.  Do you realize the cost difference to go to these places? AZ may be moving up in popularity over the past year or two but this is definitely a new trend.  RPI is going where they always go and they're playing teams that are in the same area.  I don't blame them one bit for choosing to stay in Florida.

Finally, as for driving down to North Carolina and Virginia in the middle of February, I am guessing the students at Cortland will be missing a handful of classes to do this.  They play on Friday Saturday and Sunday.  Im guessing they are leaving Thursday and getting back very very late on Sunday.  I'd also bet that most schools can't get away with this type of travel.  I know for a fact that the LL switched their conference games from Fri/Sat to Sat/Sun because many of the schools could not have their students missing science labs etc on Fridays.  I am sure all of the Phys Ed majors at Cortland don't need to worry about missing class but when you have students going to top tier liberal arts colleges and universities where they're studying to be doctors, engineers, and ceo's it's simply not feasible for students to miss even more class by driving 10 hours to North Carolina the weekend before mid terms.  Let's also not forget that weather can be a big factor, it is risky to travel all that way in mid February.  It's also costly.

I bet if you asked RPI why they don't do it, these would be the reasons.  It's the same reason the rest of the LL doesn't do it.  Cortland clearly has a massive athletic budget, heck they carry 40+ guys on their team. 

Nothing backfired on RPI last year except that they went 1 - 2 in the conference tournament.  Bottom line, they didn't get the job done.  Ask the coaches in the LL and I bet they'll agree that by switching to a 24 game schedule, they decided they'd all rather compete for the automatic bid, and make sure each team in conference gets a legitimate shot at this bid, instead of jockeying for potential at large bids. 

So ya if money were no object I'm sure every team in the Liberty League would be flying to California to play Chapman, Oregon to play George Fox, Atlanta to play Emory, and maybe they'd even stop in Japan to play the Yoimuri Giants..

Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: anonymous234 on February 18, 2008, 07:54:26 PM
BaseB, I like what you're saying.  You are very well informed.  Teams like Skidmore and Rochester fundraise for their spring trips, and even that doesn't cover everything as some teams don't get meal money out of it or pay for their own tickets.  I know WPI (RPI's cousin in Mass) has their players pay for everything.  Obviously money is an issue for most teams, which definitely hurts where they can go and who they play.  Also, d3 programs emphasize academics, so thats why you don't see them travelling to warmer climates for 4 day weekends.  Also the money comes into play their too.  Kids sleeping 2 to a bed, 4 to a room, when they stay over one night for a weekend series, do you really think the athletic departments are going to shell out money for more trips and longer bus rides and more nights in hotels?  No they aren't.  Obviously playing baseball in New York and the Northeast isn't ideal, but they get the job done.  You have to remember, we aren't d1 programs that shuttle in millions and millions of dollars every year.  Games are free to attend, so there's no extra money there.  Most program money comes from generous donations by alumni.  Starvin, get your facts straight before you try to argue this.  It is not possible.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on February 18, 2008, 10:23:49 PM
StarvinMarvin....BaseB13....anonymous.....

I really appreciate the comments, and if you really evaluate what you have posted, many of your comments are in agreement.  Certain circumstances for the individual schools mentioned may apply, fundraising, playing weaker schedules, athletic department budgets, travel distances, academic requirements, etc., etc., have an impact on these schools in different ways.  As an example, being a Rochester parent and having first hand knowledge, the players do all sorts of funding raising fuctions while they are on campus.  That still is not enough to pay for the trips, let alone all of the various uniform components that the team wears.  We still pay hundreds of dollars for our kids to have what is necessary, fundraising included.

Rochester is fortunate in that they belong to the UAA, United Athletic Association.  Schools such as Emory, Washington University in St.Louis, Brandeis, Case Western Reserve, and the University of Chicago have a tournament to start the season every spring in Florida.  Chicago now goes to Arizona.  This year they will play Skidmore there as well, at least guaranteeing four conference games getting played without weather problems, we hope.  Then, because of the close proximity of Rochester to Cortland, Ithaca, Brockport, RIT, and St. John Fisher, non-conference games are played, weather permitting.  So Rochester is fortunate in that sense.

I can see where traveling during the week is rough for scheduling any kind of baseball games, whether against better opponents or not.  And because Rochester plays, in my opinion, a tougher schedule than RPI, or Skidmore, whom ever, you would/should say that Rochester should be at least somewhat better than there conference opponents.  But it hasn't been the case, has it?  Why?  I personally think that there are kids that go to college, and if they can play baseball, are very happy.  Then there is the kid that if "I'm going to college, why don't I go to a college that has a very good or exceptionally baseball program," i.e., Cortland, Ithaca, Brockport, Emory, etc.??   Obviously there are other reasons, or can be, that makes a high school kid go to a particular school.  And, what about the Community or Junior College player, why do they tend to be drawn to the better programs.  Finances also play a big part in these choices.

I still believe that many coaches are, and will always be drawn to making the safe choice.  "Do I play a tougher schedule?"  "Do I go for the better chance of getting in the tournament by winning my conference?"  It is not an easy decision for some coaches to make.  I still believe that by taking the harder road, at times is more rewarding.  Maybe I'm crazy, but I have always liked being challenged myself.  It allows me to judge my performance and set my sights on better things or events.

The games still have to be played, and for every game played, win or lose, some good is always taken away so that you can improve.  That includes playing against better teams and players.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: StarvinMarvin on February 18, 2008, 11:17:52 PM
Boomer.... thank you for your insight, some very good points.  I'm not necessarily knocking RPI because they are a very good but rather giving personal reasons for their disappointment.  I think we can all agree that Cortland's success is what most programs are striving for and hence the reason for bringing them into the equation.  Ithaca for their continued success, eventhough they haven't been to a WS in sixteen years or so, they were dominant in the 80's and early 90's (two national championships) along with being a so widely recognized in the DIII ranks.  Like Cortland or not, there's a reason why they have success and it's not just because they get good players or Cortland lets dummies into school contrary to what many believe.  Cortland is what is called a "hot school" at the moment and has been for several years in the SUNY system.  This means that because they have so many applicants and turn so many kids away, the state of NY tells them that if they accept the best of the best students and raise the average student profile the more state funding will be given to the school.  With that being said, if you want to achieve the status of a Cortland, I don't think it's a bad idea to try and emulate what they do.  I realize that the academic demands of certain institutions can put a coach into a predicament when it comes to scheduling for example but if you want to be good then you do what it takes to be good.  RPI could very easily schedule games in VA or Maryland before their spring trip without compromising academics.  Leaving on a friday at noon or even two o'clock will get you into playable weather at a decent time the night before competition.  Play a DH on Sat. and a single game on Sun. to start the season and break up the monotony of being inside.  When it comes to athletic budgets, I bet Cortland's budget is less than RPI's.  You don't realize how stingy the SUNY system is and at Cortland the football team gets twice as much as everyone else.  Cortland has a very generous and large alumni who probably double the budget and Coach Brown and his players fundraise their butts off to make money for their trip to NC and VA.  They find the time and energy to do it even though at times it's an inconvenience because they know how important that trip is to their season and they welcome the challenge of playing anyone at anytime in any place.  That's what it takes to be good and i'm sorry if there's disagreement but it is what it is.  How willing and motivated are you to do what it takes to get the most out of your team eventhough there are academic and financial obstacles?  You find a way to make enough money through fundraising or by some other means to make the trips necessary to make your team the best it can be.  Also, it was mentioned that Cortland carries 40 guys without a JV squad so they must have a huge budget but what's the difference if RPI has a JV squad?  That means RPI has 40 or more people total in their program between the two teams.  You guys can keep on using all the excuses you keep providing and RPI will continue to go home early year in and year out.  Keep on crying and making excuses about how difficult it is to be so intelligent yet balance playing baseball along with how little money everyone has to do anything.  Anonymous, I have my facts straight as an arrow and to BaseB13.... put it this way, I was paid money to play the game I love, were you?  Nuff said!

Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BaseB13 on February 18, 2008, 11:53:43 PM
I am not particularly a fan of RPI and their program at all.  However, when you post the most illogical statements on this forum to bash RPI I am forced to defend them.  I have NOTHING against Cortland and I pull for whichever NY Region team makes it to the World Series. I have no doubt that Cortland fundraises their butts off and that their players work their butts off.  I would guess that most of the programs we have talked about all do this.  I don't know how you turned this in to us bashing Cortland. Infact, I'd even argue that Cortland could hang with all the division I teams in New York.  Cortland is not so great and amazing because they go to Arizona or because they go to North Carolina.  Cortland has a great program for a lot of other reasons.  RPI is not worse than Cortland because they play some weaker teams either.  I'd say RPI is weaker than Cortland because Cortland has more talented players.  I gave you plenty of reasons why I'd speculate RPI does not schedule the same teams as Cortland.  I'd also challenge you to do a 2 hour radius around Troy and pick out the best Division III programs.  I bet RPI plays those teams Mid-Week.  (Williams(27 - 10), Plattsburgh(25 - 15), William Paterson(19 - 15 -2), Montclair(24 - 18), Castleton (26 - 12), So besides Westbury and MCLA, their northern non conference games seem pretty strong.  Maybe because you aren't familiar with all the teams you aren't aware of how strong their schedule is.  (We know you're not aware of this because you had no idea how good Williams is, you probably aren't aware that Williams is ranked almost every year as the best Division III athletic program in the country on top of being the equivalent to Princeton/Harvard for Liberal Arts Colleges). 

We'll just need to agree to disagree until you learn more about other D3 baseball teams besides the ones Cortland and Ithaca plays.  And let me congratulate you on getting paid to play baseball.  That statement falls in line with the rest of your illogical remarks.  You getting paid to play has nothing to do with your knowledge of Division III baseball in New York, or the Liberty League.  Thank god you were blessed with that ability because we can tell you weren't blessed from the neck up.   
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: WrongArm on February 19, 2008, 03:04:24 PM
StarvinMarvin said:

"When it comes to athletic budgets, I bet Cortland's budget is less than RPI's.  You don't realize how stingy the SUNY system is..."

Don' bet too much, Marvin. Cortland reported spending $96,000 on their baseball team last year... RPI reported $72,000 and Rochester reported $76,000. Check out this government site:
http://ope.ed.gov/athletics/main.asp (http://ope.ed.gov/athletics/main.asp)

Unless I'm missing something, the SUNY expenditures for baseball are way higher than most private NY colleges. Brockport spent $52,000 and Oswego spent $60,000. Compare those expenses with those from Vassar, St. Lawrence and Union. Vassar, for example, spent only $19,000.

Without athletic scholarships, in order to attract the best players, schools have to demonstrate a commitment to their baseball programs. That means coaching continuity with respected, accomplished coaches, first class facilities, and an ambitious schedule. That means m-o-n-e-y!

Here's another example. Ithaca College, mentioned a few times in this thread, reported spending $98,000. Is it any mystery that they kick the crap out of Utica every year? Utica spends a whopping $14,000.

A successful baseball program is a synergy of many factors. Certainly, a charismatic, enthusiastic coach might attract some outstanding players in the face of institutional indifference, but in the long run, money talks.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on February 19, 2008, 03:32:51 PM
WrongArm....

Trust me, our family and the other families helped out with that Rochester number!!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: jdex on February 19, 2008, 04:04:09 PM

  Just a hunch here, but a pretty good one .....we bet.

  A portion, a very large portion, of those 96-Gs arrive from sources other than SUNY. Know Cortland really does bust butts in fund-raising endeavors. They run clinics and camps galore, and have a mighty alumni backing.
  Strive for success and work hard at it!

  Plenty of good thoughts expressed here by all .......until the closing personal attacks. Could do without, yes?
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on February 19, 2008, 04:26:08 PM
jdex.....

Couldn't agree with you more regarding the personal attacks.  No "one" opinion is better than any other.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BaseB13 on February 19, 2008, 04:36:27 PM
That site is very informative.  I do wonder how accurate it is.  I have a feeling it does not include any fundraising (But I could be wrong).  Those numbers appear to be the operation/budget expenses of each athletic department. 

Clarkson - 45,000
Skidmore - 62,000
St Lawrence - 27,000
Union - 36,000
Vassar - 19,000
RPI - 41,000
Rochester - 76,000
Cortland - 96,000
Ithaca - 98,000
St. John Fisher - 63,000
Brockport - 53,000
Plattsburgh - 68,000
Oneonta - 23,000
Oswego - 60,000

At first glance I wonder if each school calculates their number equally.  For example, St Lawrence has a budget of $27,000 (seems low) for a school that has amazing facilities and just built a very nice field.  I can see how Vassar's budget is only $19,000.  I don't think it's surprising at all that Cortland and Ithaca's budget is the highest, they carry a lot of guys and they travel the most.  This means more meal money, bus expenses, hotel expenses etc.  Oneonta's budget also seems very low.  I would have thought RPI's would be higher too.  It's also interesting to see which schools on average pay their coaches more and have more paid assistant jobs as well as the recruiting budgets (although difficult to compare from school to school).  Good information.  Thanks WrongArm.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: anonymous234 on February 19, 2008, 06:07:06 PM
I also find it interesting that St Lawrence has such a low number since their facilities are so amazing.  However I do know they don't bring their whole roster to Florida, and I think the players pay for most of the trip.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: WrongArm on February 19, 2008, 06:28:16 PM
BaseB13,

I wouldn't be surprised if everyone counts the money a little differently. Contributions from alumni and others would be reported as revenue, but the web site doesn't break out revenue by sport (except for football and basketball, though specific reports are downloadable). I was having fun for a while, I'm not an accountant and all these numbers are giving me a headache.


BoomerIL said:
"Trust me, our family and the other families helped out with that Rochester number!!"

...as I'm sure the families of D3 baseball players from around the country are doing too.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: Bob Maxwell on February 20, 2008, 12:19:18 PM
Very lively interesting discussion here... with some very good information and opinions.

I agree with jdex and boomer that the small petty personal shots are not needed to support either side of this discussion and take away some of the points on both sides.  As they said, no one opinion is better then anohter.

As I said, very lively and interesting... There are a couple points that I want to make to be sure we all are on the same page.

1) with regard to in-region games... for teams along the I-87 corridor at the east end of New York state.  There are dozens of schools who are in the New England region that are within 200 miles of the New York schools so they are considered in region games for them (i.e since you've focused on RPI in your discussion, from RPI to Boston area is less the 200 miles so almost all of the NE teams are in region games for them).

Same is true for teams in the New Jersey area for teams south of Albany... (i.e. From RPI to Montclair is only 144 miles) so while these games are out of region for many schools in NY they are in region for many others.  Also, Some schools in central NY can get in-region games in the New Jersey area using the 200 mile criteria.  Montclair is in region for Cortland (194 miles) while it isn't for Ithaca (202 miles)... (mileage based on the NCAA chosen site mappoint.msn.com)

2) It costs almost the same amount to fly to Arizona as it does Florida... from Buffalo you can easily find fares to both around $325. so the costs is not as big an issue as where the coach wants to go and what schools they are looking to play.

To all involved, very interesting reading... thanks.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: WrongArm on February 20, 2008, 06:11:59 PM
Bob,

I know this is a LL thread, but when you mentioned New Jersey, I thought of the new addition to the Empire 8, Stevens Tech. They have announced a pretty tough non-conference schedule. But I find ironic that Albany to Hoboken is 150 miles (by Google maps), an in-region game for teams in that area, yet every conference opponent is over 220 miles away with Ithaca the closest. That's a lot of driving.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: TRhit on February 20, 2008, 06:48:58 PM
Another thing to keep in mind is the player pool various schools have to pull from--all the programs do not have the same academic standards ---I am not saying this is a good or bad, unfair or fair  thing , just that it is a fact of life---nor do all schools have the same yearly costs----all of this has to be factored into the picture
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 20, 2008, 07:20:19 PM
Quote from: WrongArm on February 20, 2008, 06:11:59 PM
Bob,

I know this is a LL thread, but when you mentioned New Jersey, I thought of the new addition to the Empire 8, Stevens Tech. They have announced a pretty tough non-conference schedule. But I find ironic that Albany to Hoboken is 150 miles (by Google maps), an in-region game for teams in that area, yet every conference opponent is over 220 miles away with Ithaca the closest. That's a lot of driving.
Greetings Wrong Arm,  glad to have you on the boards.

The In-region thing must be viewed in some contexts.

1)  Colleges have aligned into conferences to reflect peer institutions, from the Ivy Group to the Big Ten (sic) to the Liberty League to the NAIA Sunrise Conference.

2)  In the NCAA we have seen the strengthening of the conferences to accomplish the goals, especially in student-athletic competition.

3)  Locally, the conference allows the schools to define their peers.  Out of the all of the schools that the members of the Upstate Collegiate Athletic Association, oops Liberty League, identified as peers in its desire to expand, they saw Stevens.  Stevens is worth the drive, but St Joseph's of Long Island isn't.  Neither bad nor good, just the way it is.

4) In border areas, across regions, the 200-mile radius (3.5-4.0 hour drive) was added to help those border issues.  Minimizing missed class time was a concern, but you have to put a limit on it somewhere.  (We have states, don't we.   ;) )

The key to this is that the LL presidents decided that Stevens had value as a LL member.  Going back to an identity/mission/vision concept, we get the bases for all of these conference issues.

The fact that there is so much objection to the D-III/D-IV issues (see the Future of Division III (http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=3880.1380) discussions) tells me that these conferences like their composition.


Welcome!   :)
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: pudge27 on February 20, 2008, 07:31:24 PM
Ralph,
    You mentioned breifly the DIII-DIV issue.  I've only read one article about that, and it wasn't clear how it would be broken up.  The thread that you linked seemed to talk alot about athletic success leading to increase in applications, therefore more $$$ for the school.  I assume that most states arent' far off, but in NY, I feel like it's likely the cost of many of the private schools that have led to an increase in state school applications more than athletics.  Can anyone give me the Cliff's notes on this D IV issue?
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 20, 2008, 09:37:15 PM
Pudge27, that is part of the confusion.

Some people want to split, some people want to change and a few people seem to want to lead a movement, but they cannot find 150 close friends to follow.

The D-IV issue is one attempt to handle the growth and the diversity of D-III.  Those are real issues, but everyone who is in D-III seems to be very happy with the decision to be D-III!  I know that my alma mater is going thru its Golden Years of success using the D-III model.

My cynical side thinks that the "Diversity" crowd has found themselves in a group that is too diverse!

Please keep reading the Future of D-III message board.  We have an excellent group of contributors who find pertinent links and documents that help us fans follow the developments at the top of the NCAA.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: Bob Maxwell on February 21, 2008, 08:56:59 AM
WrongArm

Yes, you hit on one of the things that is difficult to figure out when it comes to conference affiliations and in region games.  It will be interesting to see if Stevens is put in the NY region or stays in the Mid-Atlantic region for the 2008 season.  Either way, I think all of their conference games are considered in-region games...

The teams from downstate NY - draw an arc from Albany to Binghamton - have a lot of teams that are in New England and New Jersey that can be counted as in region games.  But as pointed out by I think Boomer... the teams in central NY and the Rochester area have a lot of teams in their area of the state that are short drives.

So as Ralph points out... the committee had some discussions to deal with the rregional border issue and proximity and made a decsion that well works for everyone. 

TRhit,

Very good point about the pool of players available to different teams.  You were talking about academic standards and costs... but anohter thing is the sheer number of players within a 2 hour drive of a campus.  Also, the number of schools in a geographic area.  Take Rochester for example... it is a small city, yet has 4 D-3 baseball schools with good baseball programs within 20 minutes of each other.  With several others within an hour or two drive.  So there is a lot of competition for those players.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on February 21, 2008, 10:22:23 AM
This may be a question that has been presented before somewhere on this web site, so please excuse me asking......How were the New York conferences originally set-up, SUNYAC, Empire 8, Liberty League, etc.?  Who determined which schools feel into which conference?
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: pudge27 on February 21, 2008, 10:35:57 AM
BB13,
   You mentioned in an earlier post that one of the reasons that RPI's schedule is not as difficult as in years past is cost and the other is that their players are all future Doctors, Lawyers and CEO's.  RPI is a great school, no doubt.  But from a financial perspective, can't they get some of those doctors, lawyers and titans of industry to kick in a few bucks to send them on a more compettitive spring trip?  I know that most of the schools in upstate NY rely heavily on Alumni contributions in addition to fundraising and school contributions. 

To be fair, if they are going to put all their eggs in the basket of winning their conference tournament, that's fine, but I don't think that RPI still has the laurels to rest on to get an at large bid by winning 24-28 games and no league title. 
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BaseB13 on February 21, 2008, 02:43:37 PM
Pudge, I am not saying RPI should or shouldn't go to Arizona or anywhere else for that matter.  However, this trend to Arizona is relatively new, the last year or two if I am not mistaken.  3 or 4 years ago teams were not going to Arizona in droves.  Bob had mentioned the cost is relatively the same to go to Arizona as it is to Florida.  After checking flights from Albany to Tampa and Albany to Phoenix I did not see that the cost is the same.  I saw a 40 - 60 dollar differnece, which multiplied by 30 people is close to $2,000 buxx.  Maybe this has nothing to do with RPI's decision but I can tell you that I have heard from coaches in the confernece that cost IS an issue in going to Florida instead of Arizona.  Second, when the Liberty League switched to a 24 game schedule, the coaches of the conference as a whole made a decision that because of the importance of the automatic bid, they'd rather have more emphasis on conference play.  This schedule HELPED teams like RPI who have more depth year in and year out.  It prevented other teams from throwing their much stronger #1 and #2 against RPI and the other top teams.  In other words, a team could get a stronger seed in the conference tournament if they lined up their pitching properly.  Now every team faces every other teams 1 through 4.  This will supposedly give a better indication of the best teams.  I would bet RPI was one of the teams IN favor of this switch.  However, having 12 regular season games against three teams with records of 10 wins or less is not going to cut it when it comes to at large bids in my opinion.  I think regardless of who their non conference games are, because 60% of games are in conference, it's going to make it very difficult to get an at large bid unless any LL team wins 30+ games. RPI is probably the only team that would ever get serious consideration because of their past reputation. Let's call a spade a spade here, NY region baseball is probably considered one of the weaker regions in the country.  At the end of the day RPI's non conference schedule up north is as strong as it could be given the scheduling circumstances.  Again, I'd challenge anyone to find better teams for them to play within 2 to 2.5 hours.  Finally, let's be serious here, RPI hasn't even made it to the finals of the Liberty League tournament in 3 years.  That doesn't sound like a team that deserves to be in regionals anyways.  Other teams have started to catch up to RPI, and in the region, Ithaca and Cortland.  It's now the norm to have full time head coaches at the helm of almost all DIII programs.  This was not the case 7 or 8 years ago.  Rochester's first full-time head baseball coach is Coach Reina.  I believe this is also the case at Skidmore.  I'm guessing in the 90's when RPI was so dominant, they were probably the only team in the conference with a full time coach.  (Heck St Lawrence's coach is a professor at the school still I think).  I think RPI is no  longer dominating in the conference because other programs are as serious about running a top notch program and are finally catching up.  I don't think it has to do with their schedule, which only changed when the conference started playing 24 games.  I think the fact that people continue to talk about RPI, when in three years they haven't been the conference representative is a shame.  It sounds as if teams are blaming RPI for not making it, instead of giving credit to up and coming programs like Skidmore.  And FYI, I noticed StarvinMarvin said Cortland probably wouldn't be playing against NC Weslyean tomorrow in another forum because of weather.  Would really suck to spend all that money, miss all those classes, just to drive down to NC in mid February and not play.   
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: Bob Maxwell on February 21, 2008, 02:51:44 PM
Baseb13... +1 for this comment.  Well stated...

QuoteIt sounds as if teams are blaming RPI for not making it, instead of giving credit to up and coming programs like Skidmore.

I would add Rochester and St Lawrence to that too... and Clarkson was very good two years ago too.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BaseB13 on February 21, 2008, 02:57:17 PM
Absolutely Bob, infact I was shocked to see Clarkson have such a tough time last year.  They had something like 5 20+ win seasons in a row prior to that.  And obviously St Lawrence winning the tourney 2 yrs ago was a strong accomplishment.  U of R has fielded some strong teams in the past as well.  As a whole I think the conference really has been improving and many of the coaches should be commended for it! 
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: Bob Maxwell on February 21, 2008, 03:03:07 PM
Also, as you mention the weather is always an issue this time of year...  It does look bad in NC the next two days.  With it being opening day I hope it clears up so they don't have to sit in a hotel room for a day or two.


weather forecst for NC Weslyan area:
http://www.weather.com/outlook/homeandgarden/home/weekend/27804?from=36hr_topnav_home


I would still like to have an early trip on the schedule... and many teams are doing that now.  More each year...
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BaseB13 on February 21, 2008, 03:09:37 PM
One other thing popped in to my head, I believe St Lawrence, along with winning the conference tournament in 2006, has been in the finals the last three years.  I'm with you on that as well Bob.  If I was playing I would love to have more games spread out and have the opportunity to do what Cortland does.  Probably isn't as feasible for a St Lawrence or Clarkson consider how far up they are.  Looks like Skidmore heads down to Stevens before break as well so they get something in.  They have a turf field down there so it can atleast be plowed.  Anyone ever notice the pitching stats for teams like Emory?  Looks like they get 1 or 2 pitchers who start significantly more games because of how spread out their schedule is.  Must be nice to throw your 1 and 2 so frequently although I wonder if that can hurt a team in the long run when it comes to tournament play and depth becomes vital.  Thanks for the distractions from work but it's time to get off this thing for the day. 
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: Bob Maxwell on February 21, 2008, 05:41:10 PM
BaseB13,

There was a discussion back in the fall about the seasons... starting early like they do in the south vs compressing games into 5 or 6 weeks as happens in the northeast.... and what the impacts are to pitching staffs.

There was some discussion about how some teams in the south had there top two pithcers throw significantly higher innings then team sin the northeast.... and same with their top three pitchers.

I couldn't find where it was to give you the link to where it started... I will continue to look.  Maybe someone else will find it and put up a link.

It was very interesting...
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: dom on February 22, 2008, 06:04:48 PM
I have enjoyed reading the comments about the Liberty League.  In my humble view, regarding scheduling, I believe that the baseball in NY is generally equal to that of Va. having watched both.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on February 22, 2008, 06:28:23 PM
I have enjoyed reading, and writing about the Liberty League, what little I have come to know.  I really appreciate the input from all of the experienced posters who have contributed with comments about the LL.  Being that it will be my son's second season with Rochester, it has been most interesting in reading everyone's comments about the LL, and for that matter in reading about the other conferences within the other topics.  Thanks!

All I know is........14 days until my son takes the field in Tampa for three days, and then on to Orlando for five more!!!!!  My son even said to me today...."can't wait to see you and mom!!!!!"  Can you believe that, I think he misses us a little.  ::)  And even the Cubs look promising for this year.  AH, baseball!!!  How sweet.   8)
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: dgilblair on February 22, 2008, 07:29:06 PM
Quote from: BoomerIL on February 22, 2008, 06:28:23 PM
I have enjoyed reading, and writing about the Liberty League, what little I have come to know.  I really appreciate the input from all of the experienced posters who have contributed with comments about the LL.  Being that it will be my son's second season with Rochester, it has been most interesting in reading everyone's comments about the LL, and for that matter in reading about the other conferences within the other topics.  Thanks!

All I know is........14 days until my son takes the field in Tampa for three days, and then on to Orlando for five more!!!!!  My son even said to me today...."can't wait to see you and mom!!!!!"  Can you believe that, I think he misses us a little.  ::)  And even the Cubs look promising for this year.  AH, baseball!!!  How sweet.   8)
+1 Boomer........
Coaching and sponsoring you kids baseball teams.......$5.000.00
Paying for his college education and career..................$80.000.00
Him say he can't waiting to see you and mom at the game ......Priceless
AH, BASEBALL
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: VictoryLane on February 22, 2008, 09:38:13 PM
Boomeril, that tyler ried (sp?) transfer from fordham is suppose to be dynamite in cf.  How does he look to you?  He was nasty in the fall game, diving catches, rope line drives.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: VictoryLane on February 22, 2008, 09:39:32 PM
Any other freshmen who might be able to come in a play a role for ROchester.  Skimming down rooster it seems they have all starters  back?
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on February 23, 2008, 12:18:38 AM
VictoryLane.....

You have asked me "loaded" questions before about the centerfield situation at UR, and I have purposefully ignored them.  I believe you  know why I am ignoring those questions, but you continually ask them.   Knowing that I have a vested interest in Rochester, and in the centerfield situation, I will continue to be diplomatic and elusive in responding to you.  But, since you seem to know how well this individual has played in the fall, maybe you can explain why you think they might be so exceptional, you yourself I'm sure, having seen them play first-hand, correct??  Please explain.

Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: VictoryLane on February 23, 2008, 03:45:17 AM
Boomer didn't really understand the context of your situation sorry.   I didn't necessarily think the kid was going to play cf per se, but from what i saw, it looks like with all the returners coming back they will be battling for time.  This should be a good situation.  Competition raises the bar and i don't just think it will be in cf.  if i recall the cf last year lead off and did very well.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: VictoryLane on February 23, 2008, 03:48:57 AM
in  regard to what i saw, i saw a phenomal catch in left centerfield (pretty special play) combining speed and coordination, and his physical presence makes me think he can hit for power.   The later is my perception.   I could be wrong.   The cf at rochester from last year is very fast as i understand.  That is all i know, "sorry for viewing it as loaded"  i certainly didn't understand the sitaution and the spot i put you in.  I was ignorant.

I still think rochester has a ways to go to get by RPI.   

Are you aware of any other incoming folks that can bolster Rochester's chances?  And obviously if they are, they are all going to be in dog fights, with all returners except infurna coming back. 
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: Bob Maxwell on February 23, 2008, 08:40:21 AM
Boomer,

Be careful... he may just want more of your money...  LOL

only 13 days now!  Same here... but we will be in sunny Camden, NJ... last year it was only 45 degrees!   :o
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on February 23, 2008, 10:37:03 AM
Victory Lane....

No need to apologize!  You didn't put me on any "spot" and your not ignorant!  Yes, my son was the centerfielder last season.  Is he going to be this season?  Don't know.  Like you have stated in your previous post, there is a lot of competition for most of the positions on the team.  What I mean is, you have your regulars that you would assume (bad thing to do.....assume) would get first chance at playing their positions where they did last season.  But, you know as well as I do that nothing can be, or shouldn't be taken for granted.  These kids know that if they don't perform, there are others that will get a chance to do so.

I know Coach Reina will give every player a chance to earn time playing, some more than others.  If the player who you saw make that catch (my wife and I were at that fall game, but left to head back to Illinois before we saw the play that you reference) continues to play well, who knows at which outfield position he will play at, and it could be centerfield.  All these kids know, including my son, that you need to perform in the field and especially at the plate.  This kid has the ability to play in any outfield position, and hit for power.  I wasn't able to however, find any stats on him from last season.  Its also kind of interesting to note, as you mentioned, that he has a "physical presence."  Coach had him and my son team-up to workout in the weight room this past fall and winter.  I don't know if they are still doing so, but it has helped my son put on a few pounds of muscle.

Now, regarding RPI.  As I mentioned in a previous post somewhere on these boards, Rochester played very against RPI.  Look at the box scores.  In the play-offs, granted Rochester lost their bats, but they did before they entered the tournament in the St. John Fisher series.  Defensively with Rochester, you won't find a better team in the conference.  I would also rank their pitching in the top 2 or 3, maybe even 1 with RPI.  I still don't have a handle on that completely.  Hitting though still concerns me.  I do know that you can never count on continued success with hitting, or expect improvement.  You would like to see those things happen, but unless you have a truly die-hard baseball fanatic as a player, it's hard for this kids to maintain this when they have so many outside influences like homework, girlfriends, etc., etc.

From what I understand, there are several freshman that have a good chance of contributing to this team this season.  Don't ask me who, because I'm not going to speculate that on this website, but lets just say that they could make the lineup sooner than later.

I am saving my money though, so I can fly to Albany/Troy to watch that Rochester?RPI series.  I really think, barring any injuries, that Rochester is going to come out ahead in that series, Zongol, Driemiller or not!!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on February 23, 2008, 10:39:35 AM
Bob Maxwell....

I do "bet" for food, no money!!!    ;D
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BaseB13 on February 23, 2008, 01:35:05 PM
Still not following VictoryLane's reasoning that Rochester needs to get by RPI.  If Rochester wants to win the conference tournament they need to be more worried about getting by St Lawrence and Skidmore, who have won the conference the last three years and have also been 5 of the 6 finalist teams in the last 3 years.  As for this transfer player,  rumor has it he is a "physical presence", a big guy, who may mash in BP, but I have not heard that there is much more to him than that as of yet.  The only way to prove it is to get the job done against live pitching in the games which have yet to be played. 
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: VictoryLane on February 23, 2008, 04:22:57 PM
i agree.  practice meands nothing for any sport.  only games.  rochester had to get a few freshmen come in just to prepare for the backlog the next years.   NO new guys have chances?  or is it because all starters back?

As far as my RPI comments they are always the best in regular season and with jv team and all they prepare kids better.   So their soph/jun come in and hit ground running vs sitting on pines whole year.   double elimination playoffs - the best team don't always win
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on February 23, 2008, 04:43:53 PM
BaseB13....

I agree with your comments.  We can speculate all we want, but it only counts on the field!


VictoryLane....

When make a good point when you talk about RPI "hitting the ground running."  I had forgotten about their JV players.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: VictoryLane on February 24, 2008, 11:44:03 AM
boomer,

hey sorry about that situation i put you in.  i hadrs  no idea how or what your affiliation was to rochester.  I just heard second hand about a guy.  your son's numbers were outstanding last year, went back and looked. you have nothing to worry about!  good luck this year.

RPI def hits the ground running.

Greg
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on February 24, 2008, 12:25:23 PM
VictoryLane....

You didn't put me in any situation, really.  There are no hard feelings!!  When we post our views or opinions on these boards, there just that, views or opinions.  We are all entitled to them and should respect one another no matter if we agree or disagree with them.

You and I have had a mild debate about how RPI will finish this coming season.  Others have contributed to this conversation.  Again, those opinions are appreciated and taken with respect for the party who is giving them.  I hope you are wrong in your analysis about RPI, but that is only because my son plays for Rochester.  I hope you can appreciate that.   :)

I have stated before that RPI has some great talent and some of those kids don't get the credit they deserve.  I think the same holds true for the St.Lawrance, Skidmore, Union, and even some of the Rochester players.  I appreciate your comments about my son and his play, he did well as a freshman.  He was never a lead-off guy in high school, so he knows that he needs to be more of an "on base" guy this year.  He was somewhat disappointed in his offensive numbers and hopes to improve upon them as well.  I'm concerned though about the 'sophomore slump' theory myself.

No matter who plays where, Rochester on paper looks better than they did a year ago.  IF, everyone stays healthy, plays great defense, and HITS, they should be in it at the end for conference.  BUT, isn't that what all of the teams across the nation are trying to do as well in their conferences??  Getting into the tournament would be a major bonus!!    8)
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: VictoryLane on February 24, 2008, 06:18:44 PM
boomer

any other infielders or pitchers that have made a good impression (new comers); any additional speed on bases?

w/  your pitchers back and starters you should contend again.

Thanks,
VIctory
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: pavanyks on February 26, 2008, 03:07:55 AM
Best Freshmen Class

Has to go to RPI in my opinion.

Ciezko, Stroud, Marchese in the infielder and catcher positions (Cieszko and Marchese both catch).  Marchese can play inf as well.

Agenta and Carey pitching

and in the outfield brock and cody.

These guys should help continue to build the RPI program.

Good Job rpi.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BaseB13 on February 26, 2008, 11:12:59 PM
Pavanyks since you seem to be very familiar with all of the teams freshman classes can you please shed some light on what the other schools brought in and how some fo these players are?
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: VictoryLane on March 01, 2008, 06:54:25 PM
Can each team post what incoming freshmen they have and who they feel might have impact on there team this year?

RPI is posted above:

Skidmore:  2 of last 3 titles and they were young to begin with; Rubenstien Utility; Arena Catcher, Darin, Brucoto, Sullivan, Laracuente,  pitcher; zach brown (from Victor) - Look for brown to push for time early. If they are going to compete this year, 1 or 2 of these pitchers may have to step into starting roles.

Hamilton: Mancini infielders,   Tomaszewski, Vigneau pitchers,  Perkowski  outfield Currier Catcher.  Small class like rochester, expect them to fight for time.

Clarkson: Grosweski, Giovannone,  Pitkin, Baldwin, Moldoff, Laclair, Goergold, mcinereney Ptichers,  Falteisek outfield, Clarkson obviously beefed up in the pitching department.  They will be pressed into action early.  We will see who emergens.

Rochester: Larioni infielder, Just catcher, Chanatry,Cacciola, Wesler pitchers, Francis outfield; Liverpool and North syracuse had great highschool teams so they maybe pretty good.  Pitchng is solid at rochester, so the new guys will lprobably be asked for middle relief.  But rochester has all starters back so i don't see anyone on this list participating except maybe pitchers early. 

St lawarence Fitzgerald, Ludwig, Hewins, outfielders, Skelly, Cook, Landers pitchers, 2 catchers with Fedo and Shimkin; and Kelly and broedel in INF.  Big glass, 3 of these guys will be in the starting lineup on opening day.

Union:  Moran utility; Goldman, Lefebvre, Johnston, Disalvio, Wyman, outfield class (expect these guys to be in the lineup, with only Tillo coming back. Lounsbury infield, and Rogers pitchers

Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: VictoryLane on March 01, 2008, 07:04:53 PM
My picks for players of the year: 

Top picks

Zack Tillo Union, Ken Carroll RPI,


Top picks

Joe Zongol RPI, John Dreimmiler RPI, Veenema Rochester
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: John McGraw on March 01, 2008, 09:13:05 PM
Quote from: VictoryLane on March 01, 2008, 06:54:25 PM
Hamilton: Mancini infielders,   Tomaszewski, Vigneau pitchers,  Perkowski  outfield Currier Catcher.  Small class like rochester, expect them to fight for time.

Hamilton's baseball team competes in the NESCAC.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: VictoryLane on March 01, 2008, 09:57:03 PM
You are correct. My bad ...
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BaseB13 on March 02, 2008, 03:05:45 PM
Looks like Skidmore and Vassar are both playing today..  Can't find any information on how Vassar is going.. Skidmore is playing @ Stevens.. Live play by play stats at stevensducks.com  Skidmore is up 10 to 4 in the top of the 8th.  I checked Skidmore's line up and they arent batting two of their best hitters from last year.  Looks like Ferri is not playing (he is a hockey player also so he probably didnt make the trip I think).. Marcus isnt playing in game one either.  I bet thats because he is pitching game 2. 

Stevens is in the E8 now so do they count as an in region game for everyone in NY? Looks like they lost to Kean 4 to 3 the other day...

Victory- Ludwig at St Lawrence will be a good player for them.. He was very good at Victor.  I don't see Brown from Victor playing much for Skidmore.  They're 2b is not playing today and they have a sophomore playing there instead so he may be a couple years away.  Liverpool and N Syracuse do have good programs so those players at Rochester are probably decent at worst.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: anonymous234 on March 02, 2008, 11:09:58 PM
Edit:  Ferri, Mendell, Goldman are all sophomores.  Seems like z brown has some talent, unfortunately he is behind a logjam.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: VictoryLane on March 04, 2008, 03:58:44 AM
   1st Team                 2nd Team                   A ll-Rookie Team (Half games)
1B   Obrien Roc         McKelligan Union            Mike Plude (Vas)
DH   Ken Carroll RPI          Pat Reardon            AreanA (Skid)
2B   Jake Mendell Skid   Scott Carroll Union    Larioni (roch)
3B   Kahovec * Roc           Jim Divine                    Zach Brown (Skid)
SS   Duff St l                   Muscatiello Ren            Dan Stroud (RPI)
OF   Sean Wilks RPI           Cannon ROCK             Lounsbury (Union)
OF   Carlow Skidmore   Carlow Skid             Ludwieg STL
OF   Mike Bressett Clark   Valentine RPI             Dan Cody RPI
C   Sullivan Roc            Zach Tillo Union     Steven Just (Roc)
Util   JJ Vanderstyle             Shane Griffin RPI    Rubenstein (Skid)
Pitcher   Dreimiller RPI)   Chris Kerr STl             Trevor Brucato (Skid)
Pitcher   Joe Zongol RIP   Fishback Roch            Matt Rogers (Union)
Pitcher   Veenema Roc   Zack Slater (STL)    Chanatry (roch)

* I know he plays short, team maybe better with him at third, and yes he made it last year at ss too.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: Bluesman on March 04, 2008, 07:09:21 AM
I was at the Stevens-Skidmore game the other day. It was Skidmore's first two games of the season and it was freezing! As far as Skidmore freshmen go, Arena was the first to enter a game, coming in as a defensive replacement at catcher in the 9th inning of game 1. He looked much more comfortable behind the plate than the lefty catcher that played in game 2. In game 2, Rubenstein started in LF and went 1 for 2 with a walk, Arena started at DH and went 2 for 3 with a run scored. Pitchers Brucato (1 inning) and Laracuenta (2/3 of an inning) had some control problems (probably nerves) but survived their outings ok.   
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: darkhorse on March 04, 2008, 05:43:36 PM
Even tho you are correct that Hamilton does not play in the liberty league and is in fact in the NESCAC, the information you have posted is incorrect.  The names you have on the list are all returning sophmores and other than Tomaszewski none of them saw much time last season, altho big things are to be expected of both Vigneau and Mancini as left handed bats.  The freshman class for this year is a deep one led by outfielders Matt, Flint and Taylor along with Pitchers Rafalsk and Atwood.  Atwood will be the closer and will see sometime at first and DH.  Mohney is an extreemly quick kid that can play second or in the outfield and will be a nightmare on the base paths for opposing catchers.  Things are hopefully turning around a bit up on the hill, only time will tell tho.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: WrongArm on March 04, 2008, 05:45:42 PM
QuoteBoomerIL asked (on 2/20)...
This may be a question that has been presented before somewhere on this web site, so please excuse me asking......How were the New York conferences originally set-up, SUNYAC, Empire 8, Liberty League, etc.?  Who determined which schools feel into which conference?

Boomer...

I surely don't have much of the story, but I share your interest. Here's a small part at this url:

http://www.empire8.com/About-History.shtml (http://www.empire8.com/About-History.shtml)

Though it's the Empire 8 site, the history may be of some interest in the LL thread as RPI, Clarkson, St. Lawrence, and Union formed the ICAC in 1964. Ithaca and RPI joined the conference when Union left. There's more to the account but I'll let you check it out rather than summarize.

I didn't see a response to your question and I thought of you when I tripped over this history page today.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: WrongArm on March 04, 2008, 06:16:16 PM
edit:

Ithaca and RIT (not RPI) joined when Union left.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: VictoryLane on March 04, 2008, 09:09:34 PM
Quote from: anonymous234 on March 04, 2008, 09:05:12 PM
Victory lane, I understand you love your Victor players, but lets get a few things straight for your all-league selections:

1. Jake Mendell was moved to third base (sorry Zach Brown, not going to overtake Jake), so Jake won't be all league at 2b, but Anthony Ferri (who was third team all region at short stop) has a great chance of being all league at 2b, while a healthy adam brown should return to form that made him first team as a sophomore (injured last year)

2.  You have carlow as 1st team and 2nd team

3.  Brucato has great stuff, but might not find his way into the starting rotation for skidmore.

4.  How can teh 2nd team SS and the rookie SS play on the same team?  doesn't that mean one of them won't play if the other is so good?

5.  Hard to believe you can keep Reilly off this list as a pitcher, check his stats from last year and this year against Stevens Tech.  If he wasn't injured for most of last year, would have done some serious damage.

6.  Once again, I know you love Victor players, and zach brown has talent, but he's fourth string at 2b and 4th string at 3b (behind Mendell, Cornachione, and Goldman).  It was unfortunate he didn't get any at bats against Steven's Tech, but Skidmore has a deep infield that will be tough for him to break.  Definitely talented though.

I overlooked Reilly, but he needs to do it for a whole season.  Who would you have left off my list?

The rookies were a total wag, other than my victor guys, i'm speculating. Only time will tell on all the players.  Every year is a new year.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: VictoryLane on March 04, 2008, 09:10:45 PM
Quote from: Bluesman on March 04, 2008, 07:09:21 AM
I was at the Stevens-Skidmore game the other day. It was Skidmore's first two games of the season and it was freezing! As far as Skidmore freshmen go, Arena was the first to enter a game, coming in as a defensive replacement at catcher in the 9th inning of game 1. He looked much more comfortable behind the plate than the lefty catcher that played in game 2. In game 2, Rubenstein started in LF and went 1 for 2 with a walk, Arena started at DH and went 2 for 3 with a run scored. Pitchers Brucato (1 inning) and Laracuenta (2/3 of an inning) had some control problems (probably nerves) but survived their outings ok.   

A little nerves are common. Skidmore will need a few freshmen to make an impact.  But lets face it if they do they maybe VERY VERY Dangers.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: anonymous234 on March 04, 2008, 09:15:06 PM
I would pick Reilly over any of the second team guys, and maybe of Driemiller too.  Reilly also plays firstbase and can absolutely crush the ball, but that was what led to his hand injury last year.  Fact is, he shut down RPI in the tournament last year and then did very well against St John Fisher in the NCAA tourney (and wasn't fully healed).  For a duel position guy, I'd say he deserves at least second team, but yeah, we'll see how he does for a full year.  Can't wait for Skid/Rochester in florida.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: VictoryLane on March 04, 2008, 09:42:57 PM
Quote from: anonymous234 on March 04, 2008, 09:15:06 PM
I would pick Reilly over any of the second team guys, and maybe of Driemiller too.  Reilly also plays firstbase and can absolutely crush the ball, but that was what led to his hand injury last year.  Fact is, he shut down RPI in the tournament last year and then did very well against St John Fisher in the NCAA tourney (and wasn't fully healed).  For a duel position guy, I'd say he deserves at least second team, but yeah, we'll see how he does for a full year.  Can't wait for Skid/Rochester in florida.

While Skidmore won 2 of last 3 liberty league championships, they have a long way to go to overtake RPI for season championships.  Rochester has EVEN farther to go to beat either of these teams.   I found it wierd that they were playing league games this early in the season.

Expect RPI to be tough.

Driemiller is very tough you have to give him credit.  Cmon.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: VictoryLane on March 04, 2008, 09:48:41 PM
Reilly picked up the first win for Skidmore i see.  Why didn't he bat when he pitched?  Does he always not bat when he pitches?
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: VictoryLane on March 04, 2008, 10:02:15 PM
Quote from: VictoryLane on March 04, 2008, 09:48:41 PM
Reilly picked up the first win for Skidmore i see.  Why didn't he bat when he pitched?  Does he always not bat when he pitches?

reilly was 4-4 as a fresh with ERA north of 3.0 and last year he was 2-1 with roughly a 3.0 ERA.  So while he may be skidmores ace, i still think he has something to proof.

And yes he does do it on both sides of the plate, but again as a fresh he batted like .255.

The injury obvioiusly depleted his proudction.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: anonymous234 on March 04, 2008, 10:28:13 PM
haha, I never said driemiller wasnt tough.  I guess you're partial to your victor boys while I'm partial to skidmore guys.  and yes, reilly never hits when he pitches. 
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: VictoryLane on March 04, 2008, 10:56:50 PM
Anony:

Good luck to  you all and good luck in florida.  I wish you and rochester well. 

Warm up for when you face RPI.

later,
the fast lane
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BaseB13 on March 05, 2008, 11:01:01 AM
Bluesman, interesting observations at the game.  I take it you are either a parent or a player if  you were there.. Pretty objective synopsis of the Skidmore freshmen.. except for the catchers.. You don't happen to have a vested interest in that do you?  Thought the post was a little funny but thanks for the info on the new players at Skid.

The LL doesn't have an All-Rookie team just so you guys know.  Victory, what's it really matter who wins the regular season title in the LL, no one remembers the team that one the regular season title but couldn't seal the deal when it really counted.  Although Skid. did do both in 2005.  They're the only team that has accomplished that in the last 3 or 4 years.  Now that I think about it, over the last 3 or 4 years they have the most combined regular season and conference tournament titles of any team in the conference.  Obviously over the last 10 years or so RPI has more regular season titles.. But it does come down to, what have  you done for me lately? 

As for the All-Conference selections, when in doubt, pick players from RPI.  They always have a bunch of players on the teams regardless of the standings or statistics. 

Looks like we'll learn a bit about the conference this weekend.  Exciting to have LL play start so early.

 
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: MMTPdthree on March 06, 2008, 01:54:05 PM
Do you think there should be an All-Rookie team?

Personally I don't see this necessary. 
Is there talk about doing so?
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: VictoryLane on March 06, 2008, 08:16:29 PM
There is a rookie of the year.  But i have not heard of talk of an all rookie team.  I dont' see the need for it personally, i just did that to stimulate some discussion.  Most kids are listed as INF or OF so i was just guessing to get some dialog going.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: VictoryLane on March 09, 2008, 05:41:36 PM
How did Skidmore Reilly do in  Liberty league opener against Rochester?

Any scores?
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: AlleyCat on March 09, 2008, 09:00:50 PM
Rochester swept Skidmore 3-2 and 11-6. No boxes but the scores are on Skidmore's site. Also in Liberty League games RPI 10  Ripon 0. On RPI's site it says Zongol threw 7 innings 3 hits 6 k's. I would imagine Reilly threw game 1 in the Rochester Skidmore series along with Veenma. Rochester looks strong. Let's see how tomorrow goes.

If you look at the other scores from around the state it looks like NY baseball is holding its own. So much for a weak region. Cortland 8 Wheaton 4, Ithaca 8 Cal Lutheran 1.

Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on March 11, 2008, 10:05:41 AM
The University of Rochester, Yellowjackets, continued their spring season start by winning the the second doubleheader (4-0 sweep) against defending Liberty League Champion, Skidmore College on Monday.  The Yellowjackets won by scores of 8-7 and 5-4.  This gives them a 5-0 start for 2008.  Those four wins against Skidmore are very important conference victories!

Their first win of the season came on Saturday against Drew University.  The winning score was 15-14.  The high winds in Tampa really contributed to the run scoring.

UR continues their spring training trip today by playing against Brandeis in the first of six UAA games that include Emory, Washington Univ., and Case Western Reserve.

A number of freshman have really contributed to the teams success so far, one earning LL Rookie of The Week Honors.

GO JACKETS!!!!!!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: VictoryLane on March 11, 2008, 08:48:09 PM
what happend to rochester today.  I gotta a text from a buddy at emory that said they committed numerous errors (missing pops, throwing errors, etc.) in addition to a a number of base running blunders and handed game to Brandeis.    He said it was actually a little embarassing how they played.  So much for the UAA tournament win.    Can't give a game away with Emory in the tornament.



RPI is 4-0 too. But i'd take 4-0 in liberty league in a heart beat.  Congrats to Rochester's start.

can't wait to play them.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on March 11, 2008, 10:26:04 PM
VictoryLane....

You have a friend at Emory??  Well, that's one!!  Did you ask your friend how Emory did against Case Western on Friday??  I wouldn't think that a team as highly ranked as Emory could lose to a team like Case.  Rochester may have made mistakes today, but to have as many games played as Emory has and then lose to Case, well I would think that Rochester's lose to Brandeis isn't as bad as losing to Case.  Sorry Case Western Reserve, but no disrespect!!!!

Since you like to point out Rochester's flaws, and then go on to congratulate them for some mysterious reason, I think that you like to cause trouble!!  Nobody on this topic has ever said anything that would lead anyone to believe that Rochester can't make mistakes, especially Rochester fans.  Maybe Rochester's wins against Skidmore were a fluke in your own mind, I don't know.

You say you can't wait to play them, and if that is the case, please let me know when that is because I would like to be there.  I'm sure UR will love the competition, and so will I!!!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: VictoryLane on March 12, 2008, 07:10:15 AM
I envy the 4 libery league victories.  The season is young.  Good luck to you yall.  I said i would rather the liberty league games. diddn't i?
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BaseB13 on March 12, 2008, 12:15:25 PM
It's probably quite possible UR could have a let down after 4 liberty league games especially 3 wins by 1 run and some come from behind wins at the very end.  Plus I'd guess they're at the back end of their rotation anyways.  In the grand scheme of things losing a non-conference game is not that big a deal (UAA doesn't really mean much except for bragging rights).  Looks like RPI has started off strong and has given up one run in three games.  Skidmore beat Drew 20 to 1 and 21 to 5.. Looks like they took out some of their frustration on them after losing some close ones.  Anyone know how Drew is?  I see UR also had high scoring games against them as well. 
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: shoeless on March 12, 2008, 08:50:29 PM
4 games against skidmore is very good. 


that is big for rochester.   altough if my memory serves me correctly they are a fairly senior team.


their defense was good last year, and they have not practiced outside so a little rust on defense should be expected.

RPI pitching staff is best in league.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on March 14, 2008, 11:24:34 PM
Well I guess I have to eat a little "humble pie"!!!!  Rochester started out the weekend fairly strong.  Having said that, when the UAA tournament started on Tuesday, things sort of changed.  Losing to Brandeis on Tuesday 10-7, but then winning against Washington Univ. 2-0 on Wednesday helped ease some of that pain.  UR then played Emory starting out strong, but then letting (yes, I said "letting") Emory back in the game to take a 15-11 loss.  To make matters worse, today UR dropped a heartbreaker to Case Western Reserve in the bottom of the ninth 4-3.

Its been fun none the less being in Florida with mom watching our son play!!  What more could a dad ask for!!

O.K. you critics, it's your turn, have at me!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: ocho on March 15, 2008, 06:33:44 AM
All I would have to offer Boomer is that "letting" is part of the game. UR took two of those Skidmore games by Skidmore's defense "letting" them.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on March 15, 2008, 08:56:41 AM
Yep!!  As I have always said, "any team can beat any other team on any given day!"  That's baseball!!!!!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: shoeless on March 15, 2008, 09:23:23 AM
I looked on UAA site, looks like quite a few games could have went either way.  And it also doesn't look like any defense is playing outstanding.  That field can be tough.

Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: shoeless on March 15, 2008, 09:26:01 AM
Best Offense vs Best Defense Debate:

Do you think when you are pitching our top pitchers, they would prefer their best defense behind them, or the best offense they can field.  Do you think coaches should play best sticks everywhere, and their best defense up the middle?  or just their best sticks. 

I see so many coaches playing the best sticks at a total disregard for the defense.

In most series, best defense usuaslly excels.  And in one run games, your best defense is still your best weapon at least up the middle.

RPI usually does this well.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on March 15, 2008, 10:35:13 AM
shoeless....

Great question!  I would tend to go with the defense myself.  A team should be able to manufacture runs (small ball) if their hitting is weak, but defense is strong, inorder to be competitive.  But, trying to speculate this is a tough subject.  Coaches really don't have an easy time of it, do they?
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: shoeless on March 16, 2008, 02:08:43 PM
Boomer

I kind of agree, I think when its a pitchers battle (your top 1-2 or even 3) vs their 1-2 or even 3 guy, you should put your best defense on the field at least up the middle and rf.  if you want to hide a bat you do it at 1b, 3b, lf or dh.   Your pitchers confidence will SUFFER if they have balls booted or have innings extended.  if you know you are not pitching your best guy and neither are they then put your sticks in.

Defense wins championships in every sport, including baseball.  I often see coaches trying to hide a stick at 2b or RF and it always comes back to haunt the coach.  Once pitchers start losing the confidence in ground balls, they try to do silly thinks we the pitches (you will see more walks as a result).

Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on March 16, 2008, 08:30:52 PM
One thing I did notice this week from being in Florida is, that when your starting pitcher goes deep into the game, 7th/8th inning, they start to try placing the pitches.  They are not pitching like they did earlier in the game.  I've noticed this for years when watching games.  They wiil have a lead and then one of two things happens, fatigue, which makes sense for the placing or attempted placing of pitches, or the simple fact that they are starting to over think and become cautious of making mistakes.

To me this makes sense.  It's kind of a "protectionism" thing.  They start to think that they might be able to continue to fool the hitters so they start placing the pitches, or so they think, by moving those pitches outside, or by throwing high.  It can become frustrating for them and then they lose confidence in themselves from there on out.  They really, at that point, should just throw strikes in the zone, and see if the hitters will make something happen.  If they do hit, hopefully to a defensive player, or if not, then at least they know if in fact that they are getting tired then the coaches will have to make his move.  JMHO
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: StarvinMarvin on March 16, 2008, 08:56:16 PM
Placing pitches?  The only thing I can think of is a pitcher locating their pitches which is what a pitcher is supposed to do and is vital to their success.  Maybe you mean that a pitcher attempts to be too fine rather than just throw strikes and let their defense do the work?  Is "protectionism" a word?  Ah yes, I believe it's former Gov. Spitzer's political policy to keep from contracting sexually transmitted diseases while indulging in our nation's finest escort services.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on March 16, 2008, 10:07:08 PM
StarvinMarvin......

O.K., so I meant to say "locate" pitches.  Sorry, but just got back from Florida to the cold of Chicago and I'm a bit tired.  You know, I don't really know if protectionism is a word, but I thought it sounded good!!!  Your right, being to fine and just going and throwing strikes!!!

I thought that Spitzer could become the "champion" for justice in this country, but like Dershowitz basically said, he should have kept it in his pants.  What an idiot!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: StarvinMarvin on March 16, 2008, 10:26:58 PM
Boomer....couldn't agree with you more my friend, LOL!  Glad to hear that you enjoyed your Florida trip!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: shoeless on March 17, 2008, 08:37:23 PM
Fatigue or locating pitches or lack of confidence in defense?  I SAY IF, and I MEAN IF, they had confidence in their defense they might just throw more strikes, walk less batters and bring it down broadway and let them do the work.  But if a pitcher doesn't have confidence i think it exacerbates the whole pitching situation and they start trying to locate pitches and get them out themselves.  A pitcher must have confidence in his defense to JUST throw strikes.

Boomer - maybe it is trying to do it themselves late in a game (lead starts diminishing) and rather than let the defense do the work, they over pitch trying to locate corners and get them out themselves.   That it was i said up the middle defense at a minimum needs to be your best talent defensively.  You can always pinch hit in a critical situation, but an out or a double play that should have been wears more on a pitcher than anything.

Confidence in defense once lost is hard to restore.

Boomer - u of r had a great 4 games against skidmore.  keep it up, lots of one inning games.  Your teams confidence should be "boom-ing" no pun intended.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: shoeless on March 17, 2008, 08:41:24 PM
Boomer I saw the stats on Veenema in Emory game, he only gave up 3 hits, that game looks like one you had control of.   11 runs against emory, you have to win those games.  That would have been a big win for your program and for liberty league.  That guy is one of the best pitchers in the liberty league. 
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on March 18, 2008, 12:11:52 AM
shoeless.....

Not to sound arrogant or full of ourselves, but they did give Emory that win.  They had a 7-0 lead going into the fourth inning, and your correct, they should have won that game.  They did the same thing, more or less, in losing to Case in the ninth inning up 3-0 only to lose 4-3.  You have to win those.

UR's hitting has dractically improved as I hoped it would, and the starting pitching has been really good with some additional positive surprises.  This team hit a UAA tournament high .354, and McEneaney and Guzski only allowed 4 hits apiece with 6 and 8 K's in 8.0 and 7.0 innings, respectively.  This didn't include any of Veenema's stats or our other starters.  This team has a lot going for itself and by eliminating the mistakes they made in those first eleven games should be a tough team to beat.  The conference games will really be big, and with St.L and RPI, plus Clarkson having some big wins, this should be a good series of games to watch.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BaseB13 on March 18, 2008, 10:20:58 AM
My quick two cents.. Teams "give away" games all the time.  If I were UR I'd be more than happy about "giving away" a game against Emory and a game against Case in exchange for being "given" two wins against Skidmore.. Those UAA games are for bragging rights only.  No one cares if you beat Emory in March and don't make it to the NCAA tournament.    Obviously not giving any games away would be ideal but let's be serious, this is baseball.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on March 18, 2008, 02:11:38 PM
BaseB13....

Your "two cents" are appreciated and make sense!!  Your correct when you say they could have had bragging rights, BUT those four wins against Skidmore were, and are, more important without question.  I know it seems to sound greedy with wanting more victories, its just that some times you get close to having them, especially against teams like Emory.  Don't get me wrong, UR is extremely happy that they won the Skidmore series.  They just need to keep the conference goal in full site, which I know they will.  It won't be easy, but it will be fun!!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: shoeless on March 18, 2008, 08:03:45 PM
Boomer

so was it defense or relief pitching that did you in.

that is an improvement on last years hitting, but with all the team returning that doesn't surprise me.

Who was the best pitching you faced down in Florida?
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: shoeless on March 18, 2008, 08:13:17 PM
Rochester/Boomer

just went to UAA site.  Here are my observations.

Offensive stats were very impressive.  Don't know what happened during game but these stats can't help, here is what stuck out to me.

38 Walks + 9 Hit Batters + 9 Errors and + 14 Wild Pitches  had to hurt + 6 SAC bunts = despite only giving up 58 hits when you add hits and walks 58 + 38 = 96.  You were near bottom.  No offensive can overcome that not to mention 9 erros, 14 wild pitches and 6 sacs which may have led to runs.

Your defense and small game skills were the best last year.  Seems like your team has done a reversal.  Defense was key last year and you wer the guys playing small ball.

Walks allowed
-------------
1. Case Western Reserve   13
2. Brandeis University.   21
3. Emory University....   23
4. Washington Univ.....   24
5. Univ. of Rochester..   38

Sac bunts allowed
-----------------
1. Univ. of Rochester..    6
   Brandeis University.    6
3. Emory University....    4
   Case Western Reserve    4
5. Washington Univ.....    2
Wild pitches
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1. Univ. of Rochester..   14
2. Washington Univ.....   11
3. Case Western Reserve    9
   Emory University....    9
5. Brandeis University.    8

Hit batters
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1. Univ. of Rochester..    9
2. Brandeis University.    7
   Case Western Reserve    7
4. Emory University....    5
5. Washington Univ.....    4
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: shoeless on March 18, 2008, 08:22:54 PM
Check out Zongol. 

Top Pitcher and off to a great start.

J. Zongol...........  0.68   1-1     2   2   0   0/1    0  13.1   7   4   1   8   9   0   0   0   46  .152    2   2   0    0   1
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on March 18, 2008, 08:43:48 PM
shoeless....

Yeah, they made mistakes, but coming out of Florida 8-3 and with no field time except for indoor training, I think they did well.  Some players were moved around defensively.  We'll see if that stays.  Our pitching had their moments of frustration, but I still feel their pretty good.

I have always stated that Zongol was a very good pitcher.  Did you check the stats on our guys?
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: shoeless on March 19, 2008, 05:49:46 AM
Good point about the field time!  :D

You offensive stats WERE LIGHTS OUT!!!!!!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: shoeless on March 19, 2008, 08:29:17 PM
CLARKSON -  how about the 5-3 start.  Now that is a pleasant turnaround from last year and a surprise.  Congrats keep it up.  Looks like all florida swings went well (except for skidmore).

RPI -7-1 and Rochester 7-3.   Impressive start for liberty league down south.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BaseB13 on March 19, 2008, 09:10:26 PM
Wouldn't go as far as saying Skidmore's florida trp did not go "well"... They are 5 - 5 and they completely routed the teams they played besides Rochester.  As much as it sucks to lose 4 conference games, let's remember they lost three of those by 1 run.  If Rochester is one of the top teams in the league this year then it looks like Skidmore will be right up there with them and RPI. 

It seems every team comes back with overly inflated batting averages and era's because pitching is thin all week.  Teams get to mash beat up pitching.  I don't think it's very indicative of how the season will turn out.  (The conference games don't apply here because clearly both teams throw their best).  However, the rest of them I don't pay too much attention to. 
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: shoeless on March 19, 2008, 09:44:25 PM
I agree pitching is thin.  But i'm sure your starters pitched in the other games that week as well, as did rochesters i'm sure.

I did notice rochester only beat em by 1 run in 3 games.

How did Reilly do?
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on March 20, 2008, 12:10:27 AM
shoeless....

Not to be sarcastic, but one run is one run....a win is a win.

Reilly pitched 7 innings and gave up 6 hits, 3  runs, 2 earned, 1 BB, 3 K's.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BaseB13 on March 20, 2008, 12:07:24 PM
I am sure all teams in Florida  use their starters.  What I was saying is that just about every team comes back north with inflated batting averages and high era's.  This is because when you play ten games in 7 days you get to beat up on pitchers who normally would not be throwing throughout the rest of the season.  Think about it, teams play 25% of their schedule in one week and then play the other 75% of their schedule over 5 weeks.  Clearly teams will be throwing and facing pitchers who have no business playing.  If you play a team at the beginning of your trip who is at the end of their trip there is obviously going to be an advantage for the team starting their trip.  Obviously the 4 conference games are different because I am sure both teams threw their 4 best (well atleast who they think are their 4 best, I am sure changes could be made in the rotations for both teams considering the conference games were so early). 

Obviously if a team is winning more games than losing then that's clearly a positive.  However, I would not use this one week of games to determine who's going to win the conference because RPI went 7 - 1 or because Union beat William Patterson etc.

Boomer, I understand as a parent you are obviously going to be biased towards your son's team.  However, let's try to remain a little objective.  Posting that UR "gave away" games to teams like Emory etc. and then posting that "a win is a win" regardless of how many runs it's by is pretty contradictory don't you think? You can't have it both ways.  So either "a win is a win" and Emory and those other UAA teams deserved to beat Rochester OR those teams did not deserve to beat Rochester and Rochester did not deserve to win the two games Skidmore gave away.  (I personally do not care either way, lets just remain consistent).   
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on March 20, 2008, 01:05:44 PM
BaseB13....

Thanks for the reprimand.  I didn't say that Skidmore "gave" anything away, did I?  They may have in your own mind, like I said about UR and Emory.  Players make mistakes/errors, some foolish, some from trying to hard, which I don't fault.  The difference, in my own opinion, and it is my opinion, is that the scoring differential was much greater in the UR/Emory game than any of the Skidmore games.  That is why I made my own personal observation the way I did.  You were not there, or were you?  I was!  Again, my opinion, biased or otherwise.  I knew what the various situations were during those games.  Do you?  Again, it is my opinion, biased or otherwise.

I was being objective, and I don't just blantantly throw out statements that would make UR seem like "the team to beat."  UR has a long way to go and is on the right track.  To have beaten Emory would have been a big win for UR, and maybe have given a little more respect to the Liberty League teams.  JMHO    :)
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BaseB13 on March 20, 2008, 01:30:43 PM
First off, I am not biased toward any one team in the LL.  I have adamantly defended RPI numerous times and of all the teams in the LL, I'd say they can act the most classless of any team.  I don't have to be at any game to know what happened.  You can tell from the boxscore/play-by-play.  You guys lost by 4 against Emory in one game but you're saying that you "gave" that game away more than Skidmore "gave" away two games when  Skid was up 5 half way through the game or up 1 with 2 outs and 2 strikes on the batter.  I personally do not care which way  you characterize it.  You can't have it both ways though.  Baseball is a game where often times the winner is the team that makes the least mistakes.  So take your pick you either deserved to beat Skidmore those two games and didn't deserve to beat Emory and the other UAA team or vice versa.  I don't really care which way you go just be consistent. 
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: scuba16 on March 20, 2008, 04:29:19 PM
What does it matter? UR has to come up north and win the LL or have a great overall record to get into the NY regional. That is usually the goal of all the teams and thats probably what the UR coach is thinking.

At this level of baseball, you either play well and win or you play bad and lose. Very rarely do 2 teams play great and unfortunately 1 of the teams has to lose. It usually comes down to the winning team executing and the losing team that doesn't!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: StarvinMarvin on March 20, 2008, 04:53:09 PM
BaseB13, God you are annoying.  Just because you disagree with Boomer doesn't mean that he's wrong or being inconsistent.  He's calling it the way he sees it, who cares?  You argue with everyone on here who doesn't see things your way or has an opinion that differs from yours.  Have some respect for the opinion of other people.  Boomer was at those games and you're criticizing him based on numbers that you're getting from boxscores.  Watching a game in person gives you a far better idea of whether or not a game was given away based on things that transpire over the course of a game that cannot be picked up from reading box scores or looking at the final score.  The positioning of an infield defense in a certain situation or a questionable decision made by a coach (i.e., a pitching change or a pinch hitter) that leads to an undesireable outcome for example are aspects of a game that can contribute to a spectator believeing that a team "gave away the game" because the coach didn't put his team in the best position to win the game in their opinion.  A team that is know for its' defensive play may make five or six errors in one game that ultimately led to their defeat.  In my mind that team gave away the game because they did something that isn't the norm and the team that won didn't necessarily earn it.  In Boomer's mind he is being consistent and if you read his posts he's always very objective and respectful of all programs.  Go ahead with your arrogant response because we're all aware that you know all there is to know about DIII baseball and/or baseball in general.

Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on March 20, 2008, 05:21:59 PM
scuba16....StarvinMarvin.....

Thanks.  Finally....someone understands what I was trying to say!!!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BaseB13 on March 20, 2008, 05:53:53 PM
Perhaps my understanding of a forum is different than yours.  A forum is a place where individuals can discuss and debate their opinions.  If you'd rather not have someone who's going to point outsome discrepencies then we don't even need to bother having this forum.  Instead we can just read the box scores.  Maybe you find the posts of "Union won 7 to 5 vs Bill's College" to be interesting to read.  I'd rather just check conference websites if I needed score updates.  If you guys don't like reading people's  opinions then don't bother reading the board.  I'm not going to just sit here and watch someone say UofR lost their UAA games because it was their own fault without giving credit to the other team but then post that they won their Liberty League games because they did everything right and the other team may not have made mistakes to help UR win (which did happen).  The way Boomer talks UR should have won every single game they've played in so far.  Some how I doubt even the players at UR feel this way.  It sounds like one of those parents who insists their kid is the best on the team and can do no wrong but everyone else knows the parent needs a dose of reality.  But if all you guys want to read about is Rochester updates from Boomer then that's fine too, we won't use the forum for what it's intended for, discussion and lively debate. 
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Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: StarvinMarvin on March 20, 2008, 06:31:59 PM
You are a hypocrite then because I'm doing exactly what you proclaim to be doing when you defend teams on this board.  I am simply defending Boomer because you are misconstruing what he is trying to say and turning it into what you want to hear.  I see nothing wrong with him believeing that UR should have won every game so far and I hope the players feel that way too.  It's called having confidence and not willing to accept mediocrity or defeat.  You're obviously entitled to your opinion but I don't think Boomer portrays himself as the type of parent you describe whatsoever.  He supports is son and his sons' program but the funny thing is that you would be the same guy on here ripping him for being negative about UR.  The board is used for discussion and lively debate but you sometimes use it to personally attack the intelligence or character of those who disagree with you.  I don't know if you have kids but if you do someday then maybe you will better understand why Boomer may be a bit biased but in a respectful way.  I think you are the one who needs to re-evaluate why we use this forum.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on March 20, 2008, 08:24:10 PM
BaseB13.....

I have been on the D3 website boards for a short time as you can see.  Previously I spent all of my time on the HSBaseballweb site for over 5 years.  I don't debate your opinions nor will I.  You are defintely entitled to them with my respect.  But please, don't insult my intelligence by saying that I'm a homer, or even that I feel my son is the saving-grace to baseball!!!!!  I never mentioned my son the way you feel I have.  If I want to feel "warm and fuzzy" about Rochester's team, I can!  Remember when I said that these were, and are my opinions????  I just said in previous posts that I can't believe he is playing baseball in college.  I am proud of that fact and if you can't understand that then you don't know how I feel, or don't have any experience with being a parent.

I understand that any team can beat any other team on any given day, in any sport.  I watched our team split two games last year at the UAA's with Emory.  They faced Glushon who is in AA minor league baseball.  Zongol beat us last year 3-0.  But we did hit many soild shots against him, and I have given him my "props."  We clobbered Driemiller.  Will that happen this year?  Who knows, but I'm an optimist in thinking that we will win the series against RPI!!!  I believe this because of how our team is playing.  Yes, they made errors, and they will make errors in the future.  Emory made errors against us this time, and our kids made mistakes that allowed them back in.  Coor, their top freshman pitcher was 3-0 going into our game and we knocked him out early.  Go to our website and read!!!That's baseball!!!  Could Skidmore have beat us?  Yes, by all means!!!  Did Emory beat UR, absolutely.  But please......don't infer that I'm minimizing Skidmore's performance, or Emory's.  They are both very good teams!

Now, what else do you want to debate, or question when I post something that is my opinion, or something that I experienced, that I have repeated many times before.  If you want me to agree with your way of thinking, I won't, nor do I expect you to do the same with me.  I will agree and respect however that you do have an opinion.  Thats all!!!!!! 
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BaseB13 on March 20, 2008, 11:05:15 PM
Starvin, I disagree on thinking a team should have won every single game.  That's just sour grapes.  Every good team knows when they got outplayed or were beaten.  Thinking you "should have" won every single game is just being delusional.    Yes there's always those games that you wish you had won or let it slip away.  My only point to boomer was it seemed as if the UAA games slipped away from UR but the LL games did not slip away from Skidmore.   I also pointed out that if I was UR and Boomer that i'd take the LL wins any day and I believe Boomer agreed with me on that.  I don't have kids but of course I can understand any parent being supportive of their child's team.  At the same time I would not think my child's team should have won every single game (Im sure boomer doesnt think this but it appears Starvin does).  I would not "rip on" anyone as you call it.  However, I would point out when someone was voicing extreme opinions, either extremely positive or extremely negative would make sense for the examples you're talking about.  (Just like I did when someone wanted to crown Ithaca as the golden boy of ny baseball or when someone wanted to bash RPI for not playing a hard enough schedule when after further research they play a pretty difficult in region schedule). 

Boomer I respect your opinions and I enjoy trying to have adult like debate about many of the topics.  Starvin's chiming in seemed to make things turn hostile and I apologize for that.  However, just as you have your opinions, I have mine and my opinion would tend to veer toward the general rule that the team that won the game deserved to win unless there are some extreme circumstances.  If any teams in the LL give away games early on, then I'm sure by the end of the season we'll find out who those teams are because they'll have worked the kinks out and will be the ones winning come conference tournament time.

Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: shoeless on March 22, 2008, 08:17:26 PM
Great Pitching is greatly assisted great defense.  Confidence is when these two are mutually reinforcing and the pitchers thrive on a great play to get em out of an inning, and the defense thrives to make the plays for  a pitcher.

When these don't exist ... you lose lots of leads and wonder why.  Once it starts happening it is hard to restablish the confidence (pitchers in the defense, and defense in the ptichers). 

They go hand in hand.  This is why RPI has best pitchers every year.  Their defense is solid and getting an out vs extending an inning allows the pitchers to shine and have confidence. 
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: AlleyCat on March 24, 2008, 06:32:05 PM
Looks like RPI got off to a great start in the league. 4 game sweep of Clarkson who looks much better just barely losing to Rowan earlier in the week. Was anyone at the game Zongol threw to open the series? Looks like he was lights out.

What's going on with the 2 game series with St lawrence and Union. The way they set it up goes against everything the league was trying to do. Then they only play 1 because of weather.

I would think both Rochester and RPI would be ranked with how they have started the season.   

Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: AlleyCat on March 25, 2008, 02:00:06 PM
The ABCA poll has Rochester receiving votes and RPI at 15th. Looks like the great starts for both of these programs is being noticed. Good for the Liberty League. Rochester taking on St Lawrence this weekend should be a good one and show if St Lawrence can push for the top spot in the league. Does anybody know how the fields are on the campuses at Rochester, St Lawrence, Clarkson?
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: shoeless on March 25, 2008, 08:41:16 PM
do you have a link to the ABCA poll?
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: StarvinMarvin on March 25, 2008, 09:07:29 PM
http://www.muhlenberg.edu/sports/abcapoll.html
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League-field conditions in Rochester
Post by: nyy2344nyy on March 26, 2008, 10:45:06 PM
A quick note in response to the condition of the fields in Rochester - wet and mucky.  Games between UR and Brockport @ Brockport on Tuesday and Cortland @ UR today were postponed and not yet rescheduled due to wet field conditions.  Some snow flurries/showers in the forecast for Friday night, Highs in the mid 30's for the weekend, so St. Lawrence @ UR this weekend will be very cold and possibly wet if they can get them in.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: pudge27 on March 27, 2008, 07:55:42 AM
Thanks for the note NYY.  I had been wondering why the CSt./UR game was postponed.  Yesterday was probably one of the 3-4 best days we've had this spring.  I've got to think that if they couldn't play yesterday, they might have a problem over the next couple of weeks. 
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on March 27, 2008, 10:44:44 AM
Because of how the field sits below the hill on the rightfield side, run-off from the melting snow created a "swamp" around first base.  The team did practice on the field, but not near first base.  They did have a maintenance crew work on it during the day, but felt that with the projected rain forecast, not playing would help the field.  They felt that playing their conference games this weekend was more important, weather permitting.  I also understand that UR will try to reschedule the Brockport and Cortland games, again try.  With it being springtime and the uncertainty of the weather, who knows if that will happen.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: ocho on March 27, 2008, 10:10:45 PM
Skidmore is playing all four of their games this weekend (2 against St. Michaels, 2 against Hamilton) on a town field in a place called Schaghticoke NY. Just a note. Anyone else wishing their kid played in the South? :D
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on March 28, 2008, 09:43:55 AM
Unless the temperature gets into the sixties, with a light wind and total sunshine, I don't think Rochester is going to play tomorrow.  There is approximately 1-2 inches of snow on the ground!!

Hah yes, the south!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   ::)
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: scuba16 on March 28, 2008, 10:23:22 AM
This weather is brutal. there is 5 inches of snow in utica ny
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: AlleyCat on March 28, 2008, 12:54:07 PM
The weather in upstate NY is awful. Anywhere from 2-5 inches everywhere. Hopefully schools have some good grounds crews and they can the fields ready to play.  It's sure going to screw things up for everyone.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: JQV on March 28, 2008, 01:25:14 PM
Actually, you probably don't want to come to Florida now.  The high today is about 82 and it is sunny.  Pretty hot if you ask me.

Oh wait.  Nevermind.  Think I will go catch a spring game.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: ocho on March 28, 2008, 01:56:35 PM
Ignoring last post.  :'(  Skidmore's games against St. Michael's tomorrow have been canceled. Kid just texted me and said they got about 4 more inches last night. I don't know how, but Sunday's games are still up in the air. Pretty discouraged, hasn't played since two weeks ago in Florida. Gotta go cancel my hotel.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: JQV on March 28, 2008, 02:02:19 PM
+k ocho.  Keep your head up.  In my experience, upstate baseball coaches are famously optimistic when it comes to weather.  They never admit a game will be cancelled in advance.  This time of year is just crazy in upstate baseball.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: NYBB on March 30, 2008, 03:31:46 AM
ERA   W-L   APP  GS  CG SHO/CBO SV    IP   H   R  ER  BB  SO  2B  3B  HR   AB B/Avg   WP HBP  BK  SFA SHA

0.00   2-0     2   2   0   0/1    0  14.0   6   2   0   5  15   0   0   0   45  .133    0   2   0    1   0

9 Pete McEneaney...my pick for pitcher of the year if you don't remember.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on March 30, 2008, 12:17:07 PM
NYBB.....

Not to slight our other pitchers, but Pete is a good candidate at this time.  BUT, Rochester still has a long way to go, and those other teams Pete will face are not going to roll-over, just like UR isn't going to roll-over when they face Zongol or Driemiller.  I'm also sure there are a few other pitchers in the league that should get some notice.  Excuse me if I don't have a track record on those names.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: NYBB on March 30, 2008, 03:14:50 PM
i agree that U of R won't "roll" over other teams but seeing Pete's stats and knowing what kind of a player he is, I can tell you he's not going to let up.  Watch out for a HUGE year.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: shoeless on March 30, 2008, 08:27:12 PM
Pete is a strong as pick as any, he should give it a run.  But as for U of R pitchers, I still like Veneema.  Pete has more velocity, but i like veneema's abilty to change up the pitches and change up speeds.  It will be a toss up who is the best.   I did see blair pitched against emory down in florida but didn't talke the loss. They are a great 1-2 punch and should compete nicely with RPI zongol and driemiller in their match up.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on March 30, 2008, 08:41:46 PM
NYBB....shoeless.....

Agree with both of you.  Also, don't count out our other pitchers, Guzski, Park, and Brocks.  They might not meet the high standards that you guys have set at this time, but to me they have the talent, and when Pete is gone in May after graduation, any one of those three can step in.  Coach Reina has, and is doing some nice recruiting.

But now that RPI has jumped out to a 14-1 start, catching them won't be easy.

shoeless.....tell me.....where were you sitting in Florida, at Sanford, that you watched the UR vs. Emory game?  You don't have to tip your hand as to who you are if you don't want to.  You can e-mail me!!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: NYBB on March 31, 2008, 02:38:20 AM
how fast is pete throwing now?
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on March 31, 2008, 09:24:35 AM
NYBB.....

Honestly, I really don't know and haven't asked.  He does seem though to be throwing hard, and his off-speed stuff is really nice.  The biggest thing though is that he is hitting his spots, and challenging hitters.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: shoeless on March 31, 2008, 10:28:14 AM
Boomer - sorry for mis confusion.  I said i did see he pitched agains temory in the stats.  I didnt' watch the game.  My bad for the choice of words. 

Just a rochester native that follows the locals.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: shoeless on March 31, 2008, 10:29:25 AM
in summer pete was throwing in high 80s i believe.  88/89. he throws a heavy ball ... i'd hate to have it hit me.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on March 31, 2008, 02:19:32 PM
shoeless....

Sorry, my bad!!  I misread what you had written.

Pete and the other pitchers, Veenema, Guzski, Brocks, and Park did look good during the spring trip.  Our freshman pitchers contributed as well.  But its going to be tough to get these games in this week with all of this bad weather projected.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: AlleyCat on March 31, 2008, 02:57:40 PM
Does anyone know how the fields are in the Liberty League. The snow and rain have caused havoc with the schedule so far. How much snow is still on the gound up north?
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: NYBB on March 31, 2008, 03:55:34 PM
If pete is throwing that hard, he's going to get drafted or he's going to get a free agent contract.  He always had good command and good breaking stuff.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: shoeless on March 31, 2008, 08:13:37 PM
Not necessarily.  The dougher kid from cortland got drafted and he was in that range.  Maybe  .... a free agent offer.  But pete is at rochester not cortland and scouts aren't going to waste a draft pick on a kid thehy don't feel is going to want to do it.  Pete can go make 1200 a month during the summer to play rookie ball or go make 60K a year with a degree from rochester.  thats the facts. Trust me.  They may sign  him as a free agent. But if he was lefty he'd be gone for sure.  Guys throwing upper 80s are a dime a dozen especially right handers.  Just look at any division i roster.  the lefties can throw about 85 and still get drafted.

i think pete would be well served to add a change to his lineup.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: nyy2344nyy on March 31, 2008, 08:39:58 PM
Quote from: AlleyCat on March 31, 2008, 02:57:40 PM
Does anyone know how the fields are in the Liberty League. The snow and rain have caused havoc with the schedule so far. How much snow is still on the gound up north?

Fields are very wet, mucky at best, as it rained overnight last night.  UR has moved the scheduled St. Lawrence DH from Tues to Wed, to try to dry out the field, but there is rain and thunderstorms in the forecast.  The current schedule is 2 vs St. Lawrence Wed, 2 vs Keuka on Thurs, 2 vs Union on both Friday and Saturday, all @ UR.  Hopefully, they will be able to get most if not all in!  RPI has been fortunate with the weather, but they are obviously playing very well as expected.  Until someone proves otherwise, I still consider them the team to beat in the Liberty League!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: shoeless on April 01, 2008, 01:02:47 PM
RPI is team to beat in NY Region not just liberty league.

3 reasons, solid hitting top to bottom.  Maybe best 1 2 in the league and good mid relievers.

And in my opinion the BEST middle infield in NY. 

DEFENSE WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS AND ONE RUN GAMES, NOT OFFENSE.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: AlleyCat on April 01, 2008, 02:26:20 PM
I have noticed that RPI is not using Dreimiller in the #2 slot for rotation. Looks like Klein and Mondo are going before him. Does anyone know if Dreimiller is hurt or just not pitching well. They have started 6 different guys on the stats and all look like they are throwing well. Looks like the hitting is much better this year also.

Defense and Pitching is what wins championships.

Cortland is always the team to beat in New York until proven otherwise.

Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: shoeless on April 01, 2008, 06:32:21 PM
he got off to a bad start with 9.00 era two starts, 3 appearanced in 10 innings.

he did strike out 10, walk 4.  but gave up 3 hrs.   

He will be fine.  all 3 appearances but no decisions.

he will be fine.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on April 02, 2008, 06:40:22 PM
Rochester 10   St. Lawrence  0   (Game 1)

Blair Veenema pitched a one-hitter
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on April 02, 2008, 09:21:58 PM
Rochester  4   St. Lawrence  3  (Game 2)
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: shoeless on April 02, 2008, 10:13:10 PM
Univ. of Rochester     IP  H  R ER BB SO AB BF
-----------------------------------------------
Pete McEneaney......  3.2  5  3  3  3  4 14 18

Looks like pete struggled.  Was it cold?
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: shoeless on April 02, 2008, 10:25:08 PM
Rensselaer             IP  H  R ER BB SO AB BF
-----------------------------------------------
John Dreimiller.....  2.2  7  7  6  3  2 14 19

bad day for another one of my picks.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on April 03, 2008, 12:35:04 AM
shoeless.....

I wasn't there, but my understanding is that the temp was in the low/mid 40's with sunshine.  I don't know how windy it was which could have made it feel colder.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: shoeless on April 03, 2008, 07:14:25 PM
any scores from liberty league games today?
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: AlleyCat on April 03, 2008, 07:51:51 PM
Rensselaer 7  Vassar 2
Rensselaer 18  Vassar 11

Rochester 4 St Lawrence 3
Rochester 10 St Lawrence 0

Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: John McGraw on April 03, 2008, 08:02:19 PM
From LibertyLeagueSports.org...

Rochester 7 Keuka 3
Rochester 23 Keuka 3

Skidmore 4 Plattsburgh 3
Plattsburgh 6 Skidmore 1

-all games are listed as seven innings.

Hamilton and Clarkson play this evening at DeLutis Field in Rome, N.Y. Hamilton's game against Utica yesterday was postponed.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on April 03, 2008, 09:10:06 PM
Thanks John, for posting the scores.

Rochester has moved the Union games.  Tomorrow, Friday, they will not play, but will play the games on Saturday.  They are concerned about the high possibility of rain based on the forecasts.   They will play then play the other two games at Union on Sunday.  Rochester has a track meet scheduled at Fauver Stadium Sunday, and the stadium is situated adjacent to the baseball field.  There are concerns about distractions and potential injuries from foul balls.  That is what I was told.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: shoeless on April 03, 2008, 09:35:50 PM
skid more keeps sliding 6-6.  Did reilly pitch today?
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: shoeless on April 03, 2008, 09:36:33 PM
i saw that rochester hit 3 homers today  :o.

that ain't bad for a team that didn't have power. also that is a tough park for home runs.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: shoeless on April 03, 2008, 09:41:42 PM
does rochester coach favor the rochester locals.  That is the only negative i heard about the program is he favors rochester locals over biinghamton and especially syracuse.  if that is true the formula is working to get local pitchers except for driemiller who went to rpi.  but if it is true he won't get any talent from binghamton and syracuse where that "label" has taken hold. i did check his lineup and he has kids from cuse, but non from binghamton.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: shoeless on April 03, 2008, 09:45:04 PM
Mike Bressett from clarkson is ripping the ball.  What positions has he been playing.  I think he is a utility type player, but wondering where he fit in?
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: shoeless on April 03, 2008, 10:21:48 PM
Platsburgh beat cortland to snap SUNYAC winstreak for cortland at somethiing like 41 games.  That is an impressive win streak.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: John McGraw on April 03, 2008, 10:33:49 PM
Quote from: shoeless on April 03, 2008, 10:21:48 PM
Platsburgh beat cortland to snap SUNYAC winstreak for cortland at somethiing like 41 games.  That is an impressive win streak.

Just to note, that's softball, not baseball. Cortland and Plattsburgh don't play on the baseball field until April 13. But, in case you're wondering, Plattsburgh did beat Cortland last year at Cummings Field.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: shoeless on April 03, 2008, 11:02:50 PM
u r right ... i read wrong article.  need to keep those contacts in. ::)
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: Bob Maxwell on April 05, 2008, 07:34:12 PM
shoeless... I've been {{shocked}} a couple times myself reading a headline.  But then realize it is softball.  It happens... contacts don't always help!   :-\
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: shoeless on April 07, 2008, 05:28:49 PM
what does TOP 25 get updated?
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: AlleyCat on April 09, 2008, 11:15:10 AM
ABCA poll is out. Both Rochester and Rensselaer are now ranked.

Rensselaer 12th
Rochester 19th

Both are well deserved. Both teams are playing well and scoring runs in bunches. Looks like the Liberty League has 2 teams that should get a bid if they continue to play well.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: John McGraw on April 09, 2008, 04:54:14 PM
The only poll that will show insight into who gets into the tournament will be the NCAA regional rankings.

Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: shoeless on April 12, 2008, 04:40:03 PM
RPI has a better defense that rochester up the  middle.  This will be the biggest factor when the two face.  Defense usually wins championships.  Both have great 1-2-3 pitchers and both can hit.  but defensive edge is RPIs.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: shoeless on April 13, 2008, 03:05:37 PM
zongol vs veenema whose defense do you want behind you?  RPIs.  That was my point.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: shoeless on April 15, 2008, 04:20:09 PM
Boomer

Were you at the loss to Vasar? what happened i figured Rochacha would sweep that series.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on April 15, 2008, 06:02:41 PM
shoeless....

No, I wasn't at the games.  Live to far away.  Were you at the games?  And what happened to your R.I.P. (Rest In Peace), they didn't sweep St. Lawrence did they???    :o
It's kind of like the Yankees not being able to beat the Red Sox, you know some teams just have trouble with certain teams.  The White Sox in Chicago have always had trouble with the K.C. Royals.

When I go out to the UR vs. RPI series, I hope we can meet.  I'd like to buy you a hot dog and coke.  What say you about that?
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: AlleyCat on April 15, 2008, 09:16:44 PM
Does anybody know when st Lawrence and Rochester are going to make up there other 2 games of the 4 game set? I know the screwy Liberty League says they do not have to make it up, but that makes no sense.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: AlleyCat on April 17, 2008, 01:52:37 PM
So I went ahead and did the opponent winning % for the top 4 teams in the region just to see where they were at to this point of the season.

Cortalnd (22-3)  402-274 = .595
Rensselaer (21-4) 298-297 = .501
Ithaca (20-7) 291-350 = .453
Rochester (22-5) 233-346 = .402

I do not know what this means, but it does show strength of schedule, I guess.

Any thoughts
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: shoeless on April 17, 2008, 05:54:10 PM
figure this out alleycat.  For the teams with losses.  What was the winning percentage of the teams they lost too.  That might be another indicator.  if they are losing to below .500 teams.

Also if the losses are on weekdays and not against league opponents some coaches maybe using the week games to develop talent.

just another look.

Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: AlleyCat on April 17, 2008, 09:10:03 PM
Good point shoeless. I don't know how the NCAA figures it out but I just put something together for the heck of it.

Mid Week games are tough for teams whose league means something for the NCAA's. They have to sacrifice some of those games to be prepared for the league weekends sometimes.

Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: Bob Maxwell on April 18, 2008, 09:30:28 AM
the opponents winning percentage and the extension of that Opponents of opponents WP will be figured at the end of the season... not when the teams play.  And there is not any weight given to when the games were played or who the pithcers were in the games...  it seems cold, to not consider the conference vs non-conference games as that is what we always talk about on here.  But a win is a win, a loss is a loss and the numbers are figured out at the end of the season...
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: Bob Maxwell on April 18, 2008, 09:31:22 AM
That being said... very interesting numbers Alleycat has give us.

thanks for the information.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: NYBB on April 19, 2008, 07:06:43 PM
 9 Pete McEneaney...  1.12   5-0     7   6   0   0/2    0  40.0  23   7   5  12  40   2   0   0  134  .172    1  10   0    1   0

All America #'s from my friend Pete.  The fact that he's given up only TWO extra base hits with no triples or homeruns is amazing.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: shoeless on April 20, 2008, 09:57:28 PM
Your friend Pete's team didn't fair as well tongiht losing two.  I told you defense is key to winning, rochester will struggle with Pete or Blair on the mound against RPI if they continue to make errors for the pitchers.    Why did Vanderstyle not play i? He is batting like .450?  Did he get hurt?
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on April 21, 2008, 09:53:11 AM
shoeless....

I've noticed lately that the only time you mention anything about Rochester is when they lose.  Why is that??  Just curious.  I guess because your an RPI "homer"??  That's o.k. then, I guess.  Have you ever played the game?  I will agree with you in part though that defense is a very important part, not the only part, to any teams success.  You can't give away chances and freebie runs.

By the way, you never did respond to my question about meeting next week at RPI so I lke buy you on hot dog and Coke.  I mean after all, we should put a face to a name, shouldn't we?

;)
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 21, 2008, 10:22:42 AM
Quote from: AlleyCat on April 17, 2008, 01:52:37 PM
So I went ahead and did the opponent winning % for the top 4 teams in the region just to see where they were at to this point of the season.

Cortalnd (22-3)  402-274 = .595
Rensselaer (21-4) 298-297 = .501
Ithaca (20-7) 291-350 = .453
Rochester (22-5) 233-346 = .402

I do not know what this means, but it does show strength of schedule, I guess.

Any thoughts
Please check out the Handbook (when it is released).  The Opponents winning percentage is only calculated on "in-region" games.  Please confirm that.  It looks Ithaca's in-region record is 20-2.  The games versus California teams do not count as "in-region".
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: AlleyCat on April 21, 2008, 10:41:18 AM
In region record is good except they only play a couple of teams with winning records. The Empire 8 is real weak this year and that should be taken into consideration like it is with any other team. Ithaca is good but look at what they are playing. Cortand and St John Fisher where the only teams that had a good record and they lost twice to them.

In region or not, strength of schedule is determined by W-L's of your opponents
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: shoeless on April 21, 2008, 01:24:56 PM
Quote from: BoomerIL on April 21, 2008, 09:53:11 AM
shoeless....

I've noticed lately that the only time you mention anything about Rochester is when they lose.  Why is that??  Just curious.  I guess because your an RPI "homer"??  That's o.k. then, I guess.  Have you ever played the game?  I will agree with you in part though that defense is a very important part, not the only part, to any teams success.  You can't give away chances and freebie runs.

By the way, you never did respond to my question about meeting next week at RPI so I lke buy you on hot dog and Coke.  I mean after all, we should put a face to a name, shouldn't we?

;)


Just dogging it.  I wont' be at RPI, but if i get there i'll be sure to go around looking for you.  Of course i only mention it when they lose, they are the rivalry.  WHat do you want me to do go after Union?  Right Now i see it as us and rochester.  Next weekend will be time to put up or shut up.  Should be good games.  I did see the games last year and despite rochester not making many errors they didn't impress me defensively in the infield.  I thought outfield had great arms and speed, but i dind't feel the same about the infield. 

BTW - i just trash talk, nothing personal.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on April 21, 2008, 02:31:21 PM
shoeless....

I know you like "busting my chops!"  That's o.k.  I have to admit that our defense as been less than stellar, compared to last season.  I know that the rivalry is a love/hate one like so many other rivalries in sports!  When your basically "king of the hill" everyone wants to knock you off, i.e. RPI.  Rochester has played very well this season, BUT when you lose one to Vassar, and the two yesterday to Clarkson (not a knock on those two teams even though I mention them here), UR can't afford to do that anymore.

Rochester is a team with a lot of character and talent.  Defensively they have to 'tighten it up.'  They just can't let RPI jump out to a big lead by making mistakes.  I can only say that they will prepare for this weekend, and will play against Ithaca tomorrow to help get ready.  Another tough game.  I still wish they could have played Brockport and Cortland.  It does seem though that Rochester has a better than average competitive schedule if you look at it.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: shoeless on April 21, 2008, 05:28:21 PM
Boomer

at this level, no matter who you are.  If you want to win the big games with the ace pitchers on the mound.   you can ill afford to give a team 4 or 5 outs.  It demoralizes a pitcher.

good luck to you,
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BaseB13 on April 23, 2008, 10:54:03 AM
Been awhile since I had time to check these.  Few comments, UR has been putting together an exceptional season. Would have liked to see them not blow the deal versus Ithaca yesterday.  However, many of the Ithaca fans have claimed that NY Region baseball is not good competition for Ithaca.  Looks like UR was pretty damn competitive.  UR is 3 - 4 since the Vassar weekend, what the hell happened against Medaille?  Hopefully they can right the ship against RPI.  Not how you start, it's how  you finish. 

Looks like RPI is playing very well this year as usual during the regular season.  I agree they're the team to beat in the regular season.  Not sure they are in the conference tournament as they can't seal the deal in the last few years.  Maybe this year will be different?

Big weekend for Skid and Clarkson as well.  That will have some serious implications for both teams making the tournament.  I think that could have been a big reason Clarkson won two last week on the second day.  When you're playing for your post season life you can sometimes dig a little deeper and squeak out a couple extra W's. 
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: John McGraw on April 23, 2008, 10:34:24 PM
MCLA 6 RPI 5

Oof.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: shoeless on April 25, 2008, 11:43:18 AM
Boomer,

WHat are your thoughts on this weekend?   Rochester is slumping coming in though i saw that they played ithaca into extra innings.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: ocho on April 26, 2008, 08:18:20 AM
Skidmore split with Clarkson winning game 1 behind their new ace, freshman Nick Laracuente. They lost the second on a rare poor outing by Ed Reilly who gave up 8 runs in 1 2/3 innings. They were never really in the game after that.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: shoeless on April 27, 2008, 06:49:48 AM
RPI will han SKIDMORE 4 more next weekend so enjoy the ride.

Boomer - We outplayed you defensively on Day 1 in my opinion. Altough in second game pitchers both threw 7 hitters only our defense was more costly. 

Frankly neither of our shortstops looked very good defensively and errors they made were very costly.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: John McGraw on April 27, 2008, 11:47:40 AM
The Rochester-RPI games can be heard on WRPI 91.5 FM Troy.

http://www.wrpi.org

Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: StarvinMarvin on April 27, 2008, 06:24:21 PM
Quite a day for U of R in their two wins against RPI.  What's more impressive is that they did it on the road.  Their rotation looks to be pretty formidable from a statistical standpoint and today backs that up.  RPI looks to be stumbling a bit as of late and it will be interesting to see how U of R's performance impacts their confidence going into the LL tournament and how RPI rebounds.  I wonder if RPI is just a little tired from the Willy P game from the other night, games like that are mentally and physically draining.  U of R couldn't have caught RPI at a more vulnerable time IMO.  Nonetheless, nice job this weekend U of R!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: John McGraw on April 27, 2008, 08:24:36 PM
Quote from: StarvinMarvin on April 27, 2008, 06:24:21 PM
Quite a day for U of R in their two wins against RPI.  What's more impressive is that they did it on the road.  Their rotation looks to be pretty formidable from a statistical standpoint and today backs that up.  RPI looks to be stumbling a bit as of late and it will be interesting to see how U of R's performance impacts their confidence going into the LL tournament and how RPI rebounds.  I wonder if RPI is just a little tired from the Willy P game from the other night, games like that are mentally and physically draining.  U of R couldn't have caught RPI at a more vulnerable time IMO.  Nonetheless, nice job this weekend U of R!

With the sweep, Rochester clinched the Liberty League regular season title. There's no mathematical way that RPI can catch Rochester in the standings. UR will have only played 22 games, but I s'pose they're not making up the two that were rained out against I think SLU.

The tournament field is set, positioning for the third and four seed between St. Lawrence and Skidmore is still up for grabs. Mathematically the second seed could still go to Skidmore, but they would need to sweep RPI next weekend and I don't think that will happen. Though it could.

RPI has made the tournament once in the last three years and that year, they were not the Liberty League champions. Skidmore took the title in 2005 and 2007 and it was St. Lawrence in 2006. RPI was a Pool C in 2006.

I think their tournament hopes now rest on how they finish the regular season and how they do in the Liberty League tournament. If they do not win the conference tournament, they'll have needed to sweep Skidmore IMO and even then, depending on the national Pool C picture, that may not be enough.

I guess we'll have to see. But, congratulations to Rochester. Coach Reina has done a superb job with that team and bringing it to the number one seed in the conference tournament. That's a team that has only once been to the NCAA New York or Northeast regionals in its history. There's a good chance they'll be returning this year.

Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on April 27, 2008, 09:43:55 PM
shoeless.....shoeless.....where are you??

Rochester hasn't won anything yet, except the right to host the Liberty League Championship games, so I'm not going to brag about anything!!!

I expected you to"man-up" and come and find me, sitting with the parents down the right field side.  We had a nice after-game picnic Saturday and was hoping that you would "expose" yourself, facially of coarse.  But no, you didn't!!  We had plenty of food of which we would have been more than willing to share.

You can pick apart our team all you want, but I have saw a very poor showing by your coah on Saturday when Pete was pitching that I thought was "bush!"  You had two out, no one on base, and he is giving signs from the dugout to your batter.  BUSH!!  You, or others my call that gamesmenship, but it was BUSH!!!!  Your routing section in rightfield showed more class than that.  At least they made us laugh.  Sorry, but RPI showed its true colors as an organization by that.  I guess when your a glorified coach, you are capable of anything.

Yes, UR is feeling pretty good right now, and like I said they haven't won anything yet.  You "shoeless," go ahead and respond, make your usual excuses, or try something new.  Raise your level of integrity???     
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: Bob Maxwell on April 27, 2008, 09:56:42 PM
But playing at home is an advantage... Boomer, will you be back out in two weeks to see the games?
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BaseB13 on April 27, 2008, 11:16:13 PM
John, is Clarkson statistically eliminated?  With SLU and Clarkson to play and Skid/RPI to play this weekend is there not a way SLU or Skid could drop out of the top 4?  Also, Clarkson hasn't played all their games, could they try to get some games made up in hopes of sneaking in to the tournament?  I know it's all based on winning percentage versus each opponent and not actually wins and losses so it makes it very confusing at times.

As for the RPI/UR series.  It looks like UR was basically giving game 1 of the series to RPI by throwing their 4 versus RPI's 1.  Good strategy because it allowed them to throw 1 2 3 versus 2 3 4 and it worked. 

Shoeless I wouldn't go saying that RPI is going to just walk all over Skidmore.  I'm sure RPI will win some games but let's remember Skidmore lost to UR by 1 run in 3 games.  A split this weekend would not surprise me one bit. 

So if you're Skid/SLU/Clarkson would you rather be the 3 seed or the 4 seed?  Rather play UR or RPI in game one?  Rather face Zongol or Mcaneaney (if those teams even threw their #1 in that game which I think it'd be crazy not to).. Should be exciting. 

Boomer congrats to your team and you're right, haven't won anything yet BUT assuming UR has a strong showing in the conference tournament (finals), the 3 of 4 wins vs RPI should help make a stronger case for a Pool C if they don't get the job done.  Should make your trip to attend the Conference Tournament much more convenient coming from the Cleveland area (right?). 
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on April 28, 2008, 12:02:08 AM
Bob Maxwell.....

I'm hoping to, not sure yet.  I'm really hoping for better than that, if you know what I'm saying.  We're just hoping that things work toward that direction.  These kids are not taking anything for granted and are focused on the LL tournament.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on April 28, 2008, 12:04:26 AM
BaseB13....

I'm from Chicago, and I was at this weekends UR vs. RPI games.  Still can't find "shoeless" though.    :o 
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: John McGraw on April 28, 2008, 12:42:01 AM
Quote from: BaseB13 on April 27, 2008, 11:16:13 PM
John, is Clarkson statistically eliminated?  With SLU and Clarkson to play and Skid/RPI to play this weekend is there not a way SLU or Skid could drop out of the top 4?  Also, Clarkson hasn't played all their games, could they try to get some games made up in hopes of sneaking in to the tournament?  I know it's all based on winning percentage versus each opponent and not actually wins and losses so it makes it very confusing at times.

As for the RPI/UR series.  It looks like UR was basically giving game 1 of the series to RPI by throwing their 4 versus RPI's 1.  Good strategy because it allowed them to throw 1 2 3 versus 2 3 4 and it worked. 

Shoeless I wouldn't go saying that RPI is going to just walk all over Skidmore.  I'm sure RPI will win some games but let's remember Skidmore lost to UR by 1 run in 3 games.  A split this weekend would not surprise me one bit. 

So if you're Skid/SLU/Clarkson would you rather be the 3 seed or the 4 seed?  Rather play UR or RPI in game one?  Rather face Zongol or Mcaneaney (if those teams even threw their #1 in that game which I think it'd be crazy not to).. Should be exciting. 

Boomer congrats to your team and you're right, haven't won anything yet BUT assuming UR has a strong showing in the conference tournament (finals), the 3 of 4 wins vs RPI should help make a stronger case for a Pool C if they don't get the job done.  Should make your trip to attend the Conference Tournament much more convenient coming from the Cleveland area (right?). 

Yeah, I guess Clarkson is still in it, but they'll need to win their fair share of games to get past Skidmore/SLU.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: shoeless on April 28, 2008, 05:39:57 AM
Rochester out hit RPI.  Defensively despite some blunders by our 3B and RF (which didn't even show up as errors).  RPI was better defensively.  I still think we can take them in a tight game cause they had numerous errors as well.  3b, ss, popups to 2b were missed.  If we tighten up our defensive we could have battled batter in game 1 on Sunday. 

Congrats to Rochester, and we look forward to a good showing against SKIDMORE.  WAKE UP BATS.  I agree with some of you now about the week schedule, we finalized faced some tough pitching and we struggled.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: StarvinMarvin on April 28, 2008, 05:57:26 AM
Boomer...I'm just wondering what's "bush" about RPI's coach giving signs to his hitter from the dugout?  Anytime I've ever seen RPI play they have always done that.  The third base coach doesn't give signs which is a little out of the norm but I don't see what's wrong with that.  I'm not sure why some coaches give signs with no one on base as is the case here but again not sure why you have an issue with that.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: AlleyCat on April 28, 2008, 08:38:22 AM
Congratulations Uof R. Does anyone know why one of RPI's top pitchers Ken Carroll did not throw. That 4th game probably would have been a better game with either he or Dreimiller on the bump? Looking at things regionally and nationally, I still think that the Liberty League should get 2 teams as long as either U of R or RPI wins the Tourney in 2 weeks.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: nyy2344nyy on April 28, 2008, 10:31:13 AM
Quote from: AlleyCat on April 28, 2008, 08:38:22 AM
Congratulations Uof R. Does anyone know why one of RPI's top pitchers Ken Carroll did not throw. That 4th game probably would have been a better game with either he or Dreimiller on the bump? Looking at things regionally and nationally, I still think that the Liberty League should get 2 teams as long as either U of R or RPI wins the Tourney in 2 weeks.
Carroll was injured on Saturday (knee?) and did not play at all on Sunday
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: nyy2344nyy on April 28, 2008, 10:43:03 AM
Quote from: StarvinMarvin on April 28, 2008, 05:57:26 AM
Boomer...I'm just wondering what's "bush" about RPI's coach giving signs to his hitter from the dugout?  Anytime I've ever seen RPI play they have always done that.  The third base coach doesn't give signs which is a little out of the norm but I don't see what's wrong with that.  I'm not sure why some coaches give signs with no one on base as is the case here but again not sure why you have an issue with that.
I believe the "bush" comment refers to a coach deliberately trying to control the flow of the game from the dugout and distract the opposing pitcher, to the point of yelling at his hitters to step out on every pitch, pausing for more than a few seconds, and then to go through an elaborate set of signs, distracting his own hitters IMO,when he did not do this in any of the 3 other games, creating a circus atmosphere.  Anyone that was in attendance, could see that it was a ploy, and I heard several comments from RPI parents who did not agree with the coaching methods during this game. 
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: nyy2344nyy on April 28, 2008, 10:48:45 AM
Quote from: shoeless on April 28, 2008, 05:39:57 AM
Rochester out hit RPI.  Defensively despite some blunders by our 3B and RF (which didn't even show up as errors).  RPI was better defensively.  I still think we can take them in a tight game cause they had numerous errors as well.    3b, ss, popups to 2b were missed.  If we tighten up our defensive we could have battled batter in game 1 on Sunday. 

Congrats to Rochester, and we look forward to a good showing against SKIDMORE.  WAKE UP BATS.  I agree with some of you now about the week schedule, we finalized faced some tough pitching and we struggled.
2 games were 2-0, I certainly would call those tight games???
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: nyy2344nyy on April 28, 2008, 10:54:09 AM
Quote from: BoomerIL on April 28, 2008, 12:02:08 AM
Bob Maxwell.....

I'm hoping to, not sure yet.  I'm really hoping for better than that, if you know what I'm saying.  We're just hoping that things work toward that direction.  These kids are not taking anything for granted and are focused on the LL tournament.

Boomer - CONGRATS!!  Keep rooting for your kids - we all do the same, if we have kids playing, if we are alumni of a school or baseball program, or if we are just fans of our local team!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BaseB13 on April 28, 2008, 02:51:48 PM
I heard that there were some interesting tactics by RPI.. And it's no surprise, they're always the most classless team in the conference.  Although I have known some players on the team to be high character individuals, it seems as a team they act like a bunch of clowns at times.

Shoeless I'm not so sure I would agree with the RPI statement about the schedule RPI played.  It wouldn't matter if RPI played tougher teams mid week (and I'm not sure there are any better teams to possibly play within reasonable distance anyways) because they'd still be facing a mid week starter.  That's not going to provide any better pitching for the hitters.  Maybe they could have played a few tougher teams in Florida but let's be serious, you can still run in to weak pitching down there as well if you catch a team at the end of their trip.  Given the 24 game conference schedule I think RPI has played a strong mid week/non conference schedule up north.  RPI has Williams this week which other than Cortland, Williams is as good as any team in New York.

Most of the top teams in the LL this year will have inflated stats because they've been able to play Union and Vassar eight times.  20% of your schedule against teams that win 5 games a season will make those team BA's of .375, .357, and .347 look exceptionally high.  Prior to the schedule change this did not occur as much because LL teams were able to play Ithaca, SJFC, Cortland, etc.  more frequently. 

I'd still like to know the potential scenarios for this weekend.. Anyone have any idea?
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: shoeless on April 28, 2008, 07:22:42 PM
Boomer

Hats off.  The better pitching team won.  YOu guys pitched better and hit better.  Our defense was only slightly better (neither of us have anything to brag about).

I forgot about looking for you.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: shoeless on April 28, 2008, 07:24:14 PM
Carroll was injured during play. i don't believe he played second day.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: AlleyCat on April 28, 2008, 08:16:08 PM
I wasn't at the games but it looked like they were good games up to the last of 4. I would guess that if RPI had it's other top 4 starter(Carroll), that game would have been a close game also.

What I need to figure out from a couple of the postings is how a coach trying to get a pitcher to slow down is classless? If a guy is pitching well, you try to slow him down if he is working quick. Now it can be done different ways, but it is all gamemenship. When I played Division 1 ball many many years ago it was done all the time before the NCAA put in all the rules to quicken the pace.

Hey U of R won on the field and they deserve the #1 seed and host.  I still think the Liberty League has 2 quality teams that deserve an NCAA bid unless RPI falls apart in the last 2 weeks or someone besides U of R or RPI win the Tourney.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on April 28, 2008, 10:13:04 PM
O.K.

As we all know there are ways of changing a pitchers rhythm, timing.  But come on, your missing my point.  When is the last time you saw a head coach of a college team make it a point of having one of his players call time between each pitch, step one foot out, and get hand singles from the coach in the dugout when there is two out and no one on base.  Between each pitch!!!  What was the point??  Sure to disrupt the pitchers timing.  WOW, rocket science.

You instruct your player ahead of time on what to do.  But no, the coach needs to take "center stage" away from the two teams playing the game.  To me thats disrespecting the game, the umpires, the players, and even himself.  Why be blatant about it.  He didn't do it in the previous game, and he didn't do it in the games that followed.  Whats even more interesting is that several of the RPI parents thought it wasn't to nice either.  To quote one parent "classless." 

RPI is a heck of a good team, Zongol a very good pitcher, and I guess if you don't have a real game plan, you need tricks.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on April 28, 2008, 10:26:13 PM
Carroll injured his knee sliding into third.  He was supposed to pitch the first game on Sunday.  Instead, he was on cruches.  Nice kid from what our players said.  Father got a little "salty" when we asked how his son was doing.


One things for sure, RPI isn't going to 'roll-over' and give anyone the Liberty League Championship, but then neither are the other teams.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: NYBB on April 28, 2008, 10:36:18 PM
Pete Mac..CG 7 hitter.  6 K's, no walks.  No runs.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BaseB13 on April 30, 2008, 11:26:24 AM
NYBB if your boy somehow gets to turn pro I hope you have an agreement with him that you get to be his manager or something.. You are a HUGE fan of his.. Which is fine.. It's just a little amusing that's all..
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: shoeless on April 30, 2008, 08:39:59 PM
Loss to Fisher.

Univ. of Rochester     IP  H  R ER BB SO AB BF
-----------------------------------------------
Pete McEneaney......  3.0  5  4  4  1  3 14 16

Lets just report the facts.

And two more errors by their middle infielders.  The wins against RPI were wins, but it over until the championship is over.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: shoeless on April 30, 2008, 08:45:44 PM
BEST DEFENSE will win the league championship series.  My money is still on RPI.

No disrespect to anyone.  Just a statement.  WHen aces are on the mound in the series.  You can not give teams 4 outs. 

RPI and Skidmore will be interesting this weekend.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on May 01, 2008, 09:05:01 AM
shoeless......

You know that I have always said that Zongol is underrated.  You know that our defense has not been stellar, nor has yours.  You know "its not over until its over!"

Now, your getting to be boring!  Let it go!  Give it a rest!!

I know you were at the games and probably saw me.  I still wish though that you would have "man-upped" and stopped to at least say hello!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: shoeless on May 01, 2008, 10:34:08 AM
Boomer

I think rochester is underrated too.  You guys whooped us no question.  but you beat us with pitching for the most part.  You hit the ball well too.  But your pitchers shut us down for the better part of 3 games. 

neither of our defeneses impressed me. 

Zongol is good he is similar to Veenema.

:'(
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: shoeless on May 02, 2008, 10:06:05 PM
Rochacha vs SJFC

rochachacha  i see your defensive woes continue causing a loss to SJFC.  Cmon they had 7 hits and 9 runs you gotta give your pitchers more support.

I say this as i bite my tongue, i call a spade a spade we had 8 ERrors against williams. We stunk.

OUCH.

DEFENSE WINS.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: ocho on May 03, 2008, 06:47:06 AM
Quote from: shoeless on April 30, 2008, 08:45:44 PM
RPI and Skidmore will be interesting this weekend.

How do you figure?
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: shoeless on May 03, 2008, 01:01:51 PM
i suspect a sweep of Skidmore.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: shoeless on May 03, 2008, 08:28:39 PM
Get out the broome, 2 down.  RPI sweeped Skidmore today.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: shoeless on May 05, 2008, 11:27:05 AM
Team Defense in playoffs is 100X more important than regualar season

What gives heightened importance to strength in the middle during postseason is the paring down of pitching staffs to  team's  top starters. With teams not having the opportunity to face their opponents' fourth and fifth starters, runs will be harder to come by, defense will be emphasized.  Now is the time to put your best defense on the field.

Here are stats for Liberty league middle infielders and league rank.  Was hard to tell who unions regulars were.  but for argument sake.


Castilla (Vassar) - 16
Glantz (Vassar) – 8
Brown (Union) - 15
Carroll (Union) -  7
Kahovec (Roch) – 16
Stein (Roch) –  15
Muscateillo (RPI) -14
Stroud (RPI)  - 10
Currty (Clarkson) –  11
Bresset (Clarkson) -  9
Brown (skidmore) –  6
Ferri (Skidmore) – 12
Ford (St Law) - 14
Harris (St Law) – 10

Team Rankings worst to first up the middle:
1. Rochester with 31 Errors
2 Vassar with 24 Errors
2. St Lawrence with 24 Errors
2 RPI with 24 errors
5 Uniont with 22 Errors
7 CLarksonw ith 20 Errors
8. Skidmore with 18 Errors

So in a tight it could bee Clarkson or RPI in the liberty league tournament.  Rochester will only win slugfests. 

Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: anonymous234 on May 05, 2008, 03:17:16 PM
Look at the overall team stats for defense in the liberty league:
TEAM FIELDING          G    PO     A     E    Pct    DP    PB SBA-ATT
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Clarkson.............        35   800   363    56   .954    21    11  49-64
Skidmore............       37   867   410    62   .954    25    14  47-61
Rochester...........       38   892   364    65   .951    33     6  26-43
St. Lawrence.......      35   794   332    61   .949    28    16  45-59
Rensselaer..........       40   968   412    78   .947    17    12  44-60
Union...............         27   613   292    65   .933    13     8  48-69
Vassar..............         30   690   296    71   .933    21     9  67-83

Looks like in reality RPI is the one that will have to win slugfests because there defense is full of nonchalant players that only care about how many hits they get.  Pitching is good, offense is good, but their defense leaves a lot to be desired, and I believe that was their downfall last year as well.  Hopefully for your sake shoeless, they pick things up for the tournament.  I think the tournament is wide open just like it was last year.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: ocho on May 05, 2008, 03:47:38 PM
Ouch Shoeless! BURNED!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: shoeless on May 05, 2008, 08:26:31 PM
Nice stats.  Don't disagree with them.  But up the middle matters 10 times more.  my put stands.  I appreciate the put from anunymous as well.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: D3xprt on May 05, 2008, 08:28:55 PM
Shoeless, no disrespect.

You have been harping this all year.

I hate to admit but ia agree that up the middle defense matters more than anything.

But i like rochesters chances. 

Should be a great weekend in cny for baseball.

I also think in a short series don't count clarkson out.  They are streaky.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: anonymous234 on May 05, 2008, 11:09:32 PM
Ok Shoeless, let's look at this point: 
DP's turned.  33 for Rochester, 17 for RPI.  Now I know DP's aren't solely SS/2B, but you definitely need a strong middle infield to turn it fast enough and get them started.  I think that should count towards Rochester and against RPI as well.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: John McGraw on May 05, 2008, 11:16:41 PM
Found this interesting...

Pete McEneaney has been drafted by the Traverse City Beach Bums of the Frontier League. He was taken in the first round of the Frontier League draft on Monday.

The season starts around Memorial Day.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: AlleyCat on May 06, 2008, 08:11:43 AM
Pete is well deserved!! Congratulations. He has had a great season to this point and has developed very nicely over his years at Rochester. Hopefully it won't be the only time he gets drafted this year.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: shoeless on May 07, 2008, 07:53:04 AM
Pete undoubtedly has the best velocity in the Liberty league.  Congratulations Pete.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BaseB13 on May 07, 2008, 09:15:54 PM
Predictions?  Who do we think is starting for each team came 1?  Do the top teams throw their aces or their #2 in hopes of saving their ace for later on?  Does UR break their Liberty League conference tournament jinx of losing every conference tournament game that they've played in?  Let's hope for good weather so that we don't have a repeat of what happened in 2003 when it rained during game two of the last day with Clarkson winning and RPI got to automatically move on.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: John McGraw on May 08, 2008, 11:39:22 AM
Player of the Year - Jay Jay Vanderstyne, Rochester
Pitcher of the Year - Joe Zongol, RPI
Rookie of the Year - Nick Laracuente, Skidmore
Coach of the Year (Coaching Staff of the Year) - Joe Reina, Rochester

2008 Liberty League First Team
1B    Ken Carroll       Rensselaer    SR    Shelton, CT
2B    Jay Jay Vanderstyne       Rochester    SR    Victor, NY
3B    Blayne Fuke       Rochester    SO    Kailua, HI
SS    Adam Brown       Skidmore    SR    Morrisonville, NY
OF    Cale Giroux       Clarkson    JR    Cortland, NY
OF    Camden Mamigonian       Rensselaer    SO    Dover, NH
OF    Dan Valentine       Rensselaer    SR    Goshen, CT
OF    Sean Wilkes       Rensselaer    JR    Troy, NY
C    Ryan Sullivan       Rochester    SR    Hilton, NY
P    Pete McEneaney       Rochester    SR    New York, NY
P    Joe Zongol       Rensselaer    SR    Flower Mound, TX
RP    Andrew Novick       Rensselaer    JR    Hopewell Junction, NY
DH    Patrick Reardon       Rensselaer    SO    Troy, NY
DH    Nate Stein       Rochester    SO    Greece, NY

2008 Liberty League Second Team
1B    Matt Holiday       Clarkson    JR    Syracuse, NY
2B    Anthony Ferri       Skidmore    SO    Jersey City, NJ
3B    Ryan Duff       St. Lawrence    SO    Concord, MA
SS    Ed Kahovec       Rochester    SR    Victor, NY
OF    Andy Cannon       Rochester    SO    LaGrange, IL
OF    Greg Carlow       Skidmore    SR    Mystic, CT
OF    Matt Francis       Rochester    FR    Amherst, NY
OF    Christian Spicer       St. Lawrence    SR    Watertown, NY
C    Matt Pisani       Skidmore    SO    Winchester, MA
P    Greg Chojecki       Clarkson    JR    West Seneca, NY
P    Blair Veenema       Rochester    JR    Fairport, NY
RP    Chris Cook       St. Lawrence    FR    Sunderland, MA
DH    Brett Peplowski       Clarkson    SO    Albany, NY

Honorable Mention: Mike Bresett 2B (Clarkson), Dan Brien 1B (Rochester), Scott Carroll 3B (Union), Jim Devine 3B (Rensselaer), Andrew Ford SS (St. Lawrence), Matt Giordano OF (Clarkson), Ari Glantz 2B (Vassar), Jake Groszewski RP (Clarkson), Tim Klein P (Rensselaer), Joel Kocan C (St. Lawrence), Nick Laracuente P (Skidmore), Stevan Slusher C (Rensselaer), Dan Stroud 2B (Rensselaer)
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BaseB13 on May 08, 2008, 02:36:31 PM
Would have thought Ken Carroll of RPI should have been player of the year.

Player                 AVG  GP-GS    AB   R   H  2B  3B  HR RBI   TB  SLG%  BB HBP  SO GDP   OB%  SF  SH  SB-ATT   PO   A   E  FLD%

Ken Carroll.........  .485  29-26    97  27  47  11   1   4  37   72  .742   6   4  14   1  .528   1   0   4-4    178  16   4  .980

13 J.J. Vanderstyne.  .437  37-36   126  32  55  17   0   2  43   78  .619  14  10  10   0  .516   3   4   5-7     65  34   5  .952

Dan Valentine.......  .437  40-40   151  44  66  21   1   3  47   98  .649   8   8   9   0  .474   6   2   6-8     76   2   2  .975
Player                 ERA   W-L   APP  GS  CG SHO/CBO SV    IP   H   R  ER  BB  SO  2B  3B  HR   AB B/Avg   WP HBP  BK  SFA SHA

Ken Carroll.........  2.53   5-1     8   5   1   0/0    1  32.0  29  13   9  11  22   4   0   1  122  .238    3   2   0    1   1


Pretty tough to take a position player over someone who hits and pitches with those types of numbers

Not to mention the second best hitter for RPI (Valentine) hit for the same average with 11 more hits and 4 more doubles. 

Pitching very well could have been Co-Pitchers of the year with Zongol and McEneaney.  Perhaps RPI and UR had to each make a sacrifice to get one of their guys the top award.  Coulda done Co Player and Co Pitcher..

Not a single award for a Union or Vassar player besides honorable mention.  Can't believe how bad the bottom of the conference has gotten.





Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: Bob Maxwell on May 08, 2008, 02:52:20 PM
Is this John's predictions?  Or has the team been announced?  I didn't see anything on the Liberty League page about it...
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: Bob Maxwell on May 08, 2008, 02:56:31 PM
Guess I just looked at the wrong time... the teams are up now.
;D
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: John McGraw on May 08, 2008, 03:07:46 PM
They were up pretty early this morning, like around 11 or so.

I have no problem with the choices. The conference-only stats for Zongol-McEneaney and Carroll-Vanderstyne are pretty much dead even. I have no problem with the choices that were made. It could have just as easily been Carroll and McEneaney taking home the awards. Though, Zongol was a five-time Pitcher of the Week so one would have to think the prevailing wind would be in his favor.

Come tomorrow afternoon, you can throw these out the window anyways. And just thinking as I type, has it really been four years since RPI won the Liberty League tournament?
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on May 08, 2008, 03:20:27 PM
John.....

It could be 5, couldn't it?
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BaseB13 on May 08, 2008, 03:42:14 PM
I dont have a problem them the awards.  I guess I just have the utmost respect for a player if they can be an effective hitter and pitcher in college.  We see it everyday in  high school but the college game is totally different.  On top of that put up the numbers Carroll put up offensively and on the mound is pretty impressive.  That being said, nothing against Vanderstyne, he clearly hit the heck out of the ball.  Was just an observation really.  RPI has not won the LL Championship since 2004.

2003 RPI (Believe this was when Clarkson got screwed)
2004 RPI
2005 Skidmore
2006 St Lawrence
2007 Skidmore
2008 ???

Prior to the conference tournament determining the conference champion (before 2003) RPI had won the conference championship every year except for 1999 when Skidmore and RPI were co-champions. 
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on May 08, 2008, 08:30:50 PM
To the Yellowjackets baseball team, University of Rochester.........

Since I don't have access to any of your e-mails, I just want to say that it has been fun and a privilege for me to watch you play this season when I could attend games.  Stay focused, hit and make the plays at your positions.

Please pass this message along to the team.  Good Luck this weekend!!!

Your Fan,

BoomerIL

GO JACKETS!!!   
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BaseB13 on May 08, 2008, 09:50:37 PM
Boomer will you be making the trip?? I'd be shocked if you didn't.. LL wknd is one fun weekend, especially when your team is hosting..
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on May 09, 2008, 12:17:47 AM
BaseB13.....

Unfortunately not.  I had to make some decisions a few weeks ago when I was at RPI.  I'm playing the odds when I say that my decision will have me sacrificing the LL tournament (its really hard for me to stay away, I know) for the chance at Rochester playing in Auburn the following week.  If they get in, I'll be there for that.  If they don't, well like they say here in Chicago about the Cubs, "there's always next year!"

I'm praying that they get in, mistakes or otherwise, they have played really well and have had the best record since Coach Reina has been at UR.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: Bob Maxwell on May 09, 2008, 11:38:27 AM
I'm sure you all know this... but it looks like the RPI radio station is broadcasting the tournament games.

http://www.wrpi.org/listen.php

It must be between games right now as it is just music...
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: John McGraw on May 09, 2008, 12:05:44 PM
Quote from: Bob Maxwell on May 09, 2008, 11:38:27 AM
I'm sure you all know this... but it looks like the RPI radio station is broadcasting the tournament games.

http://www.wrpi.org/listen.php

It must be between games right now as it is just music...

According to the RPI web site, WRPI is just covering RPI's games, not the other ones. Game one could already be in the books or they're having technical difficulties.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: John McGraw on May 09, 2008, 12:22:09 PM
RPI 6 St. Lawrence 1

-RPI moves on to the winners bracket final at 4:00 PM against UR/Clarkson
-St. Lawrence will play the loser of the UR/Clarkson game tomorrow
**corrected

Advantage, RPI. They'll get to rest and eat lunch while Rochester and Clarkson play to see who will play again today. Though, one could argue it'll be tougher for RPI to flip the switch on so early this morning then break and then have to flip it on again for a second game at 4.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BaseB13 on May 09, 2008, 03:09:09 PM
Preferred the old format 2 games fri, 3 sat, 2 sun.. but whatever.. wonder whos winning the game right now.. wish they atleast had live stats
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: shoeless on May 09, 2008, 10:13:22 PM
Boomer,

Hate to say i told you so, but defense won it again today. 



First let me say Mcenary and Broch thru great today as did zongol.  Frankly we were relieved when Brock got pulled. 

1.  The CF came in on a line drive and the ball went over his head, it doesn't show up as an erorr.  But that cost you guys the game.  Brock pitched a gem.
2.  The other little thing you dind't do was bunt well.  In the 4 or 5th you put runners on first and second no out and failed to bunt them. two batters attempted to bunt but didn't.  We got out of the inning without you scoring a run.
3.  POTY looked bad at the plate, i heard he was a hit by a pitch in the first game, was surprised coach left him in, he was visible slow with the bat.  My opinion, he should have been pinch hit for in the 7th and 9th, he was hurting. 
4.  You also didn't pinch run for your catcher in the 7th inning.  had you pinch ran i think you would have got a run that inning.
5.  In the eight inning, 2 out runner on on first.  You guys bunted kahovec who like hit two home runs off us last time we played and also had a HR earlier in the day.  That was shocking!!!!!

None the less, you played better than us but we won.  Baseball is funny like that.

Good Luck tomorrow, hope to see you sunday.
DEFENSE WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS. 
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: John McGraw on May 10, 2008, 01:15:01 AM
Quote from: John McGraw on May 09, 2008, 12:22:09 PM
RPI 6 St. Lawrence 1

-RPI moves on to the winners bracket final at 4:00 PM against UR/Clarkson
-St. Lawrence will play the loser of the UR/Clarkson game tomorrow
**corrected

Advantage, RPI. They'll get to rest and eat lunch while Rochester and Clarkson play to see who will play again today. Though, one could argue it'll be tougher for RPI to flip the switch on so early this morning then break and then have to flip it on again for a second game at 4.

Rochester 3 Clarkson 0
RPI 5 Rochester 3

Saturday....
Clarkson vs. St. Lawrence, 11:00 am, Elimination Game - Much more fun when it's hockey with these two
Winner CU/SLU vs. Rochester, 2:30 pm, Losers Bracket Final

Sunday...
RPI vs. TBA, Liberty League championship round...RPI needs one win to advance to the NCAA tournament, whoever plays them will need two wins
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: John McGraw on May 10, 2008, 01:56:36 PM
St. Lawrence 4 Clarkson 1

Brock McBride led St. Lawrence with two goals and an assist. Mike McKenzie and Kevin DeVirgilio scored one goal each. Alex Petizian made 25 saves.

Oh wait, wrong sport :)

St. Lawrence and Rochester meet at 2:30 to see who plays RPI tomorrow.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: shoeless on May 10, 2008, 08:34:57 PM
Boomer,

Rochester loses in extra innings.

I had to say it, i saw your boys today.  Again your defense cost you.  RF, CF, SS (2), P (2).   You can't do it and expect to win in a playoff series.  I said it all year.

The question you guys need to ask is ..50 to .100 points in batting averages worth not playing better defensive players if you have them.  You all had some massive  offense but if you can't make the plays it doesn't do much good.  We got the same problem in my opinion our defense is shaky at times, but not as bad.  hopefully our boys settle down for playoffs.

Hopefully, god willing ,we take care of st lawrence tomorrow and auburn here we come.


Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on May 10, 2008, 09:28:39 PM
shoeless.....

Have I ever disagreed with your opinion about defense winning a championship, no.  Didn't I, in past posts here, say that at times UR needed to tighten-up their defense, yes.  UR didn't play well today from information given to me by phone conversations I had with some of our parents.  Did they hit like they could have, maybe not.  Plays are made on the field, not between you and me.  The better team won today, period.  That's baseball!  I can't and won't dis these kids.  They had a very good year and with the talent they have, they will just "reload" that lineup for next year.  Coach Reina and his staff did a great job in getting these kids together this year. 

I know that you are pretty proud of your RPI kids, and if they win it all tomorrow, congratulations.  But if they don't, then how will you respond?  If UR and RPI were to play 10 games, or 15 games in a season, I would think that they would all be great games to watch!!

Does Rochester deserve a spot in the regional, yes!  They deserve a chance to compete on that stage.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BaseB13 on May 10, 2008, 10:20:05 PM
I'll say this.

a) St Lawrence has made it to the final day of the LL Championship 4 years in a row now (Won it in 2006)

b)  I believe if UR had made it to the finals that they would have been close to a 100% lock to be in Regionals.  However, I still think they have a legitimate shot at a Pool C bid.  Much of it will depend on if there are any upsets in the other conference tournaments.  (i.e. if Amherst somehow takes two from Trinity tomorrow then Trinity is obviously going to receive a Pool C bid which means less for teams like UR, doubt Trinity loses two though)

C) I believe the most Pool C bids are available ever this year so that should help UR as well.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: shoeless on May 10, 2008, 10:43:08 PM
Yes I believe Rochester deserves a shot and no you never disagreed.   I thought you kids hit the ball well.  Just had too many LOB and defense was keys. 

Going 11 innings or 12 whatever it went, caused Rochester and St Law to use up pitchers  RPI should have an advntage, but this is baseball.  Anything can happen.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: shoeless on May 10, 2008, 10:45:05 PM
Boomer,

When you took 3 out of 4  against us.  I "man'ed up".  YOur pitchers pounded us at RPI.   And would have liked to battle again tomorrow with you.

It would have been fun. 

Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: WLCALUM83 on May 22, 2008, 07:39:32 AM
Heard one of Rochester's pitchers was just drafted:

http://www.rochester.edu/athletics/article.php?id=2504
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 22, 2008, 11:34:56 AM
MLB draft is next week, for those wondering.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: WLCALUM83 on May 23, 2008, 06:06:45 AM
My apologies, should have worded my previous post a bit differently.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: NYBB on May 23, 2008, 03:17:31 PM
i wonder if pete will sign here and not wait for the MLB draft..
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on May 23, 2008, 04:21:28 PM
NYBB....

According to the Frontier League website under "transactions," Pete signed on the 14th, and is listed on the roster on their web page.  So, unless some MLB team either buys his contract, or makes some sort of a trade, he is a Traverse City Beach Bum.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: John McGraw on May 23, 2008, 05:23:59 PM
If any MLB team wants him, they'll sign him as a free agent. That's usually how it works when players move from independent baseball to affiliated baseball.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: John McGraw on May 23, 2008, 11:39:17 PM
Pete McEneaney pitched a 1-2-3 inning in his professional debut tonight for the Traverse City Beach Bums. Traverse City whitewashed the Midwest Sliders, 8-1.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on May 24, 2008, 12:42:41 AM
John....

Thanks for the information, I'll let my son know.  Pete and the Beach Bums will be in our area (Chicago) in a couple of weeks.  We'll catch-up with him then.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: John McGraw on May 24, 2008, 01:08:31 AM
One of my better friends from college is the new play-by-play announcer for the team near you, the Windy City Thunderbolts.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: WLCALUM83 on May 24, 2008, 08:13:24 AM
Quote from: John McGraw on May 23, 2008, 11:39:17 PM
Pete McEneaney pitched a 1-2-3 inning in his professional debut tonight for the Traverse City Beach Bums. Traverse City whitewashed the Midwest Sliders, 8-1.

Props to him!  :D :D

There's another Frontier League pitcher who's a D3 alum--Concordia-Austin's Jonathan Miller-- who pitches for the River City Rascals.

Here's a link that shows how he fared in his first start this year.

http://www.frontierleague.com/2008scores/rck5220.html

Here's another with the Frontier League schedule, (should both pitchers do well enough to hang around until Traverse City and River City play each other).

http://www.frontierleague.com/schedule.php

Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on May 25, 2008, 10:25:25 AM
John McGraw.....

Send me an e-mail with his name and I'll stop to send him your "greetings."  Do you still communicate with him?
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: NYBB on May 26, 2008, 10:25:35 PM
i told you people...pete is good. 

everyone should give me karma points b/c i knew he was going to make it and everyone doubted me.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on May 27, 2008, 11:21:36 AM
NYBB....

It's "tough love" for karma points.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: WLCALUM83 on June 02, 2008, 08:15:28 AM
Quote from: NYBB on May 26, 2008, 10:25:35 PM
i told you people...pete is good. 

everyone should give me karma points b/c i knew he was going to make it and everyone doubted me.

Looks like he's going to be out of action for a bit: (5/29 note)

http://www.frontierleague.com/transactions.php

Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on June 02, 2008, 02:55:27 PM
Pete's supposed to be in Chicago this weekend for a three game series against the Windy City Thunderbolts.  My son will have to see if he is traveling with the team this weekend.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: ocho on June 07, 2008, 07:04:58 AM
No Liberty Leaguers drafted? Awwwwww....
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on June 08, 2008, 01:50:09 PM
ocho.....

Yeah, unfortunately no Liberty Leaguers were drafted, maybe next year.  Do you know of anyone from your area that did?  Anyones name we would recognize from this website?
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 06, 2008, 06:08:32 AM
Quote from: John McGraw on May 23, 2008, 11:39:17 PM
Pete McEneaney pitched a 1-2-3 inning in his professional debut tonight for the Traverse City Beach Bums. Traverse City whitewashed the Midwest Sliders, 8-1.

Pete McEneaney's stats for all of 2008 can be found here:

http://www.frontierleague.com/teamstats/traversecity.php

(scroll down a bit.)

Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: shoeless on September 13, 2008, 11:28:03 PM
 :D

Hey boom,

how do you think liberty league will shape up this year.  I like RPI's chances again of course.  But if you shore up your defense i put you in the running with RPI, St Lawrence and Clarkson this year.  Pete will be hard to replace in rotation but you have lots of folks back.

Shoeless
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on September 20, 2008, 02:06:28 PM
shoeless.....

How was your summer??

Defensively, you make a good observation about how UR played in the conference playoffs, and in certain games during the season.  I have to admit you were correct when you said the defense was not at times stellar.  We blew it!  Also, I really appreciate you giving UR a chance of being in the running this coming season with the teams you mentioned in your post.  With the exception of RPI, I don't recall St. Lawrence and Clarkson getting any national attention last season.

Anyway, UR did give some games away with their defense and also stole some games as well.  That's baseball!!  That is why it is such a great game to watch and follow no matter what two teams are playing.  An aquaintance of mine that was at the College World Series said, with no reservation, that RPI had a better team compared to the teams he had seen in Appleton.  The best teams as you know, don't always advance in tournament play.  He also put UR and several other schools in RPI's category as well.  I know it is going to be hard for you to believe that, but you have to give credit where credit is due.

I think that UR will be better defensively than last season with some new faces and transfers, hitting should be equal to, our even better just based on the incoming and transfer players trying out for the team.  But as usual, pitching is always a concern, and that holds true for any school.  Losing Pete was big along with Fishback.  Fishback struggled most of the season with back problems, but I think we have two that will share the closers role.  The 1, 2, and 3 starters look really good.  The 4 spot has 4 or 5 guys that could fit in to that role.  I'm baseing this on some practices only.

Let's keep in touch, I know you like to "ruffle my feathers."  It's always good to get other peoples opinions.  It makes you think!!!   
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: shoeless on September 21, 2008, 11:37:50 AM
Yeah i like giving it to you.  I felt with Pete, Brocks (i think) and Veenema you had the top 3 pitchers last year and your hitting was good.  So that is why i like blaming your defense.

you got some transfers that is good?  what positions?

you lose pete, your ss and your catcher and dh which all 3 were good hitters. 

RPI will be back and strong. 

Of course you are the contender to beat, i love giving you crap. ::)
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on September 21, 2008, 09:27:11 PM
You refer to Brocks, but I think you meant Park.  As far as the transfers, I believe there is a catcher, an outfielder, and a pitcher.  There are a lot of freshman as well.  What DH are you thinking about?
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: shoeless on September 22, 2008, 08:55:00 PM
you lost the dh that was player of year vanderstine and you lost your catchers.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on September 23, 2008, 08:49:23 PM
Vanderstyne will be back.  I believe he red-shirted his sophomore year, and is doing a fifth year.  We have several catchers that are very capable of filling the #2 position.  I'm just hoping my son gets to play!  I'm not trying to create any hype, but there were about a dozen new faces trying out for the team.

I'm going to watch them this weekend, so I'll have some idea of how they might look in March.  You know, considering that the teams from New York and New England have to deal with a short spring practice season, they have done fairly well in the regular and post-season.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: nyy2344nyy on September 23, 2008, 08:51:46 PM
Boomer - see you in Olean - Big Ed
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: nyy2344nyy on September 23, 2008, 09:01:05 PM
UR will have a tough time replacing Pete - he was a workhorse and the "ACE" of the staff last year!!  The pitching staff will have to step up this year to continue moving this program forward - they are certainly capable and as we all know - it all comes down to pitching!!!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on September 23, 2008, 11:22:55 PM
Big ED?  Thee Big ED???  My Friend Big ED???   ;D

I'll be com'n in Friday afternoon.  I"m bring'n the book, some seeds for the team, and I hope sunshine!!!  It'll be great seeing you.  Is mom going along?  Mines going to a dinner party Saturday night through her office at some country club.  Has to be there.  For her its mandatory and free.  Anyway, she will be up in October.   Me, would have cost me $150.00.  As my favorite actor would say, "man's got to know his limitations!"  My limitation was missing son playing baseball.  Priorities you know.  Besides, didn't you tell me that it goes by really, really fast??  There is not a lot of time left for me to watch my favorite player, so I'll be there.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on September 23, 2008, 11:33:07 PM
Pete will definitely be missed!!

Last years team was very good, and could have been better.  I think the upperclassmen are on a mission for next season.  They got a taste of "what could have been," and what that next level might feel like.  Getting some national recognition last season will hopefully help them take it up a notch or two this coming year.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: shoeless on September 24, 2008, 04:15:49 PM
no doubt on pete and no doubt last year it was yours to lose.  you lost to some teams that you should not have lost to IMHO.

pitching and offense you had nothing to complain about.

if you shore up your d you will be right back in it if you can replace pete.

your top of the lineup was solid.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: nybaseball11 on September 25, 2008, 03:11:08 PM
Rochester's offense should be, if not the best, top 2 i the conference. I don't know what RPI has done with their team but they always seem to reload offensively. I don't believe that RPI is going to have the arms to put together the season they had last year unless they are going to rely on younger help. Losing Zongol, two time pitcher of the year, Klien, who put together a really underrated year, and the big boy Carrol is really going to hurt. Not to mention they lose their catcher Slusher.

Mondo, Novick, and Dreimeiller are going to have to really develop in order to have RPI contend in the New York Region. I don't know who they possibly have stepping into the 4th conference starter role.

Rochester has 3 of the 4 conference guys returning and a lineup that loses Kahovec.

I know its early but does anyone know anything about Clarkson, St. Lawrence or skidmore, they always seem to scrap together good teams with not the best talent in the world?
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: shoeless on September 25, 2008, 08:11:05 PM
dont you lose kahovec and venderstine and pete and sullivan ... that is 3/5ths of your top of the lineup.  you can't replace those kind of bats and leadership.


Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: nybaseball11 on September 26, 2008, 10:52:29 AM
Kahovec and shane (who was injured most of last year graduated). Sullivan and Vanderstyne are back each had a year of eligibility left. Losing some seniors will hurt leadership wise but it seems as though a lot of the guys who can contribute this year have been around for a while.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: shoeless on October 03, 2008, 10:23:56 PM
RPI JV team should provide a few quality players to varsity this year.  Including a surprise pitcher.

It will be  a fun year. 
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: nyy2344nyy on October 09, 2008, 11:40:05 PM
Boomer - yeah it was me!!!! ;D  I hope someone can help me understand what the rules are regarding fall ball games.  Apparently, a school scheduled 2 different teams on successive weekends and then cancelled the 2nd weekend on the morning of the game due to "weather"

In reality as I have been lead to believe, the 2nd weekend would have counted against their spring record had it been played.  Is this true???

The worst part is that one team did not get to play a fall ball game due to another teams actions.  Kinda sad if you ask me - I know, you didn't!!

If the coach would have been up front about his plans/intentions, perhaps the team that did not get to play could have made other arrangements.  I did hear from a college student at the school in question, that the weather was great all day long, and they couldn't understand why the game wasn't played.

Something fishy, if you know what I mean.

Anyway, putting that behind us, I can't wait for spring!!!

See you at the ballpark!

Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on October 10, 2008, 12:13:38 AM
nyy2344nyy.....

A very good source said that, it is not unusual for the Bonny coach to pull stunts like this.  They played Canisius the week before, and if they didn't play then, then would have played our team.  So your right, our guys were used.  Here and I thought that "holy" D1 team had some honor, integrity?????  Their coach must be a real tool!!!

I got to Jamestown and stayed over Friday night.  In the morning the skies were mostly cloudy, but no rain.  The Weather Channel didn't show any either for the Olean area.  Got a call about 8 a.m. that told me the game was cancelled due to rain!!  It didn't rain!!!

Me and mom will be in town next weekend.  See you at the alumni game!!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: nybaseball11 on November 08, 2008, 07:30:57 PM
Does Vanderstyne repeat as player of the year in the Liberty League?
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: SaintsMarchin on November 10, 2008, 10:13:27 PM
If he is just a DH there is no way he should be player of the year...I thought he did not deserve it last year to tell you the truth
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: shoeless on November 11, 2008, 10:20:58 PM
Saintsmarchin ...

what makes you say he didn't deserve it?  didn't he bat like nearly .500?

he played virtually every position.  against us (RPi) i know he played second base and rf.

I think that rochester has 3 returning infielders that made liberty league first team.  Fuke, vanderstine and Stein.  Frankly my opinion the 1b Brien is better than those 3 hitting.  So i'd say they are set in the infield.  Defensive in the infield they still need to improve.  offensively they should be solid.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BaseB13 on November 13, 2008, 08:10:48 PM
RPI lost a ton.. Especially pitching.. 3 arms?  UR lost their ace and some other key guys.  St Law and Clarkson I'm not entirely sure about.. They both always field a decent team regardless... Skidmore lost two players total (No arms).
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on November 13, 2008, 09:44:39 PM
UR has a bunch of freshman that should challenge for all of the field positions.  The sticks are there.  Pitching wise we should be as good as last season.  Losing Pete is a big loss, and would have ceratainly helped UR get to the NCAA's, which is still a realistic goal for this coming season.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: shoeless on November 13, 2008, 10:23:22 PM
Skidmore was a very young team last year.  They did better as season went on.  And i agree clarkson could contend.

RPI we need to replace the pitching.

I also think Rochester lost pete, plus the ace closer. 

Between RPI and Rochester it will be whatever pitching staff produces.  Rochesters hitters are all back.  RPI we lost a few key sticks.  But our JV team gives us a big edge.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: SaintsMarchin on November 14, 2008, 06:43:41 PM
do not count out SLU, they have been LL finalists the past 4 years and have some talent coming back led by Harris, Duff and Bodnar. According to their stats they are losing some offensive production in Canaan and Ford. Skidmore also is a good squad and very well coached.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: nybaseball11 on November 14, 2008, 08:47:50 PM
Half and I say half, of the reason STL has been in the finals the last few years is because of coaching. I have seen that in the Conference tournaments, often times the coaches can out coach themselves in the 4 game format. STL has benefited from UR and RPI both messing with pitching rotations trying to anticipate match-ups and so on. For instance, 2 years ago, RPI saved there number 1 Zongol against Skidmore because they were favored in the 1 - 4 match-up. It burned them and they did not make the finals. Similarly, that year, Fishback started game 1 for UR against STL when it clearly should have been Veenema. This has happened in years before this as well. This year was the first time in recent years teams threw their guns in game 1 of the tournament.

I pose this question, Who do you guys think is the best coach in the LL? Not recruiting coach because we know RPI and UR have an advantage. But playing coach... For those who have seen alot of games... which coach do you want making decisions in the 13th inning of a conference tourney game?
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: shoeless on November 15, 2008, 03:57:14 PM
KARL STEFFEN  without a doubt!

INDIVIDUAL HONORS & AWARDS:
Two-time League Coach of the Year (2003 & 2006)
Four-time Marvin H. Anderson Award
Rensselaer Student Life's Student Affairs Service Award
Albany Twilight Baseball Hall of Fame
Garnered 500th career victory in 2005
Achieved 600th career victory in 2008

No one compares.  I do believe coaches have out coached themselves in the tourney.  Personally felt Rochester had best team last year but just didn't play well in the finals.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: nybaseball11 on November 15, 2008, 06:14:28 PM
How about the bush stunts Steffen pulled against Rochester last year in the regular season. The game McEneaney went on to shut them out for 9 innings. Calling time ever pitch and giving mock signs from the dug out. He took his players completely out of the game and it ended up hurting them more than it helped.. haha. Despite the honors which are undeniable, I do not believe he is a good fundamental baseball coach. Some of the stunts he has pulled in the passed lead me to believe that he has a fundamental lack of respect for the game of baseball. Personally, and this is not to try and take away from any of his honors, he has put together a hell of a program, but half of the reason for the wins is because of the cupcakes Steffen schedules year after year padding is teams win total.

His style seems to work but if I were to be a player, (I'm speculating here)  there is no way I would want to play for a coach with Steffen's mindset.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BaseB13 on November 15, 2008, 07:11:59 PM
This was most likely because Skidmore put up 9 runs in one inning against Zongol that year while Dreimiller threw well.  (I just checked the box scores).  Cant really question a decision like that.  Throw an arm who fared very well against the #4 team (while your ace did horrible against that team) and then have your ace for game two.  Problem for RPI was Skidmore's ace that year had been hurt the entire year and had just come back and was able to shut RPI down.

With that being said RPI's coach can be a clown sometimes.  They have a lot of huge holes to fill this year.  I dont care how good their JV team is.  They will still be a good squad but they've lost a lot.  I think the league is wide open this year.  SLU will be solid again as well. 

I'd say RPI and UR will be weaker than last year but still solid.  Skidmore will be improved.  SLU will probably make the tournament as well.. They always do.  Anyone know much about Clarkson? They got in the tournament last year on a weird rule but I'm not so sure they were the 4th best team.. Did they lose much?  Any chance Union or Vassar fields a competitive team?
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: shoeless on November 16, 2008, 06:25:47 AM
No Doubt we have some huge holes to fill Carroll alone is a big hole.

As far as the Rochester game, call it a stunt or call it something to just change the hythm of the game.  he tried something.

i gave rochester credit they had the best team last year, but don't tell me your coach did flawless in the your "HOME tournament". And your big guns didn't hit in the tourney.   Come on, i felt Reiner over coached there as well.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: nybaseball11 on November 16, 2008, 02:19:22 PM
Shoeless,

Never mentioned anything about Rochester's coach, Reina (I  believe). Clearly to finish 3rd after hosting the tournament and getting a complete game in game 1 from your ace then dropping 2 straight is disappointing. I personally think the new Vassar coach showed signs of being a very good baseball guy winning a few games last year with an absolutely inferior team. I believe they even had a girl on their team (Not saying there is anything wrong with that). Vassar had no business winning any games last year let alone one against UR.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: spectator123 on November 21, 2008, 11:08:26 AM
New to the league and have a couple questions.  How does the LL stack up as a DIII league as compared to the NY region and in general?  Do the top teams compete successfully in the NY region tournaments?
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BaseB13 on November 21, 2008, 12:48:06 PM
LL is probably the 2nd best conference in NY because the SUNYAC is automatically loaded with Cortland. Besides Cortland I'd say the top 5 teams in the LL are comprable to the top 5 teams in the SUNYAC.. SUNYAC teams may be a little deeper because they seem to have way more players on their roster.  As for the NCAA Regional, much of this depends on who's participating.  Some years many teams are shipped to NY from out of region, other years not to much. 
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: spectator123 on November 21, 2008, 01:30:13 PM
Quote from: BaseB13 on November 21, 2008, 12:48:06 PM
LL is probably the 2nd best conference in NY because the SUNYAC is automatically loaded with Cortland. Besides Cortland I'd say the top 5 teams in the LL are comprable to the top 5 teams in the SUNYAC.. SUNYAC teams may be a little deeper because they seem to have way more players on their roster.  As for the NCAA Regional, much of this depends on who's participating.  Some years many teams are shipped to NY from out of region, other years not to much. 

How much interconference play is there between SUNYAC and the LL every year? 

From what I gather it seems like the LL has about  half and half upper and lower echelon teams. Are the schools involved all about the same size or of the same academic standards? Any insights?
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: scuba16 on November 26, 2008, 11:34:38 AM
Quote from: spectator123 on November 21, 2008, 11:08:26 AM
New to the league and have a couple questions.  How does the LL stack up as a DIII league as compared to the NY region and in general?  Do the top teams compete successfully in the NY region tournaments?
The road to Appleton runs through Cortland every year an it will be no different in Spring 2009! Good Luck to all in the NY region, Cortland is loaded again with returners and stud transfers!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: spectator123 on November 28, 2008, 09:44:41 AM
Who else beside Cortland will have a chance to compete in the NY regional?
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BaseB13 on November 28, 2008, 10:56:08 AM
Quote from: spectator123 on November 21, 2008, 01:30:13 PM
Quote from: BaseB13 on November 21, 2008, 12:48:06 PM
LL is probably the 2nd best conference in NY because the SUNYAC is automatically loaded with Cortland. Besides Cortland I'd say the top 5 teams in the LL are comprable to the top 5 teams in the SUNYAC.. SUNYAC teams may be a little deeper because they seem to have way more players on their roster.  As for the NCAA Regional, much of this depends on who's participating.  Some years many teams are shipped to NY from out of region, other years not to much. 

How much interconference play is there between SUNYAC and the LL every year? 

From what I gather it seems like the LL has about  half and half upper and lower echelon teams. Are the schools involved all about the same size or of the same academic standards? Any insights?

There is a decent amount considering the LL teams play 24 conference games.  I think on a yearly basis Rochester plays Brockport and Cortland (both rained out last year).. Looking at Plattsburgh's schedule last year they were 2 - 3 vs. the LL.. They got blown out a couple times and won two close ones.. Oswego was 1 - 1 vs. Clarkson.. Brockport beat Clarkson.  And then Cortland beat RPI twice in the tournament.. Close games.. I dunno that looks fairly even to me and I only included the top 5 teams from each conference because both conferences get very weak after that.  Seems with the exception of Cortland the conferences are very even.. Cortland was obviously better than RPI last year but I don't think RPI was an overmatched opponent either. Obviosly this changes from year to year.  I'd guess SUNYAC teams may be deeper based on a shear numbers game.  Much easier for them to carry a lot of guys..

Regionals will be down at Suny Old Westbury this year.. very interesting
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: John McGraw on November 28, 2008, 11:49:30 AM
Quote from: BaseB13 on November 28, 2008, 10:56:08 AM

Regionals will be down at Suny Old Westbury this year.. very interesting

Glad I'm not the only one that found that strange. This can't possibly be an on-campus site, where does Old Westbury plan on having the games played? My guess would be at the Long Island Ducks facility in Central Islip.

On the other hand, kudos to Ithaca College and the Auburn Doubledays to hosting it for the last four years.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: StarvinMarvin on November 28, 2008, 10:13:25 PM
I believe the regionals will be played at SUNY Farmingdale.  It's an all turf complex, very nice!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: John McGraw on November 29, 2008, 12:37:36 AM
Guess the NCAA is cutting back on using minor league facilities.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: scuba16 on November 29, 2008, 03:54:35 PM
Quote from: StarvinMarvin on November 28, 2008, 10:13:25 PM
I believe the regionals will be played at SUNY Farmingdale.  It's an all turf complex, very nice!
If that is true it is ridiculous! As usual it will be the Sunyac champ and LL champ pool A and usually IC (E-8 champ) pool B. If another team happens to win the Sunyac besides Cortland or the LL has 2 very strong teams and one of them garners a pool C bid, your going to make 3-4 upstate teams travel to L.I. to play the regional? If your talking about cost, thats alot of $ to pay for 3-4 upstate teams travel to L.I.! Also the problem I have with turf is that it is nice when there is snow on the ground and you are playing when no one else is but you can't find a bad hop and it makes a average fielder a superstar! 
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 29, 2008, 09:49:33 PM
Quote from: scuba16 on November 29, 2008, 03:54:35 PM
Quote from: StarvinMarvin on November 28, 2008, 10:13:25 PM
I believe the regionals will be played at SUNY Farmingdale.  It's an all turf complex, very nice!
If that is true it is ridiculous! As usual it will be the Sunyac champ and LL champ pool A and usually IC (E-8 champ) pool B. If another team happens to win the Sunyac besides Cortland or the LL has 2 very strong teams and one of them garners a pool C bid, your going to make 3-4 upstate teams travel to L.I. to play the regional? If your talking about cost, thats alot of $ to pay for 3-4 upstate teams travel to L.I.! Also the problem I have with turf is that it is nice when there is snow on the ground and you are playing when no one else is but you can't find a bad hop and it makes a average fielder a superstar! 
With the expansion of the tournament, that will probably be an 8-team bracket, again. 

The New England region has 6 Pool A bids.  There may be some overflow into the New York bracket.

Last year, there were three upstate teams, but the NCAA bussed in Ohio Wesleyan, Grove City (PA), Eastern Connecticut State and Montclair (NJ) St, as well Farmingdale.  ECSU, Farmingdale and Montclair St are relatively close to LI.  Those travel costs to fill the bracket with 8 teams are almost a wash.

The Mid-Atlantic site has not been determined.

The NCAA seems to be moving the tourney sites around this year.   :)
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: spectator123 on December 05, 2008, 09:22:54 AM
Quote from: StarvinMarvin on November 28, 2008, 10:13:25 PM
I believe the regionals will be played at SUNY Farmingdale.  It's an all turf complex, very nice!

I'm confused...why would Old Westbury be the host playing at Farmingdale?
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: John McGraw on December 05, 2008, 01:47:16 PM
Quote from: spectator123 on December 05, 2008, 09:22:54 AM
Quote from: StarvinMarvin on November 28, 2008, 10:13:25 PM
I believe the regionals will be played at SUNY Farmingdale.  It's an all turf complex, very nice!

I'm confused...why would Old Westbury be the host playing at Farmingdale?

Who knows. We'll know more once the season and then the playoffs get closer.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: spectator123 on December 05, 2008, 04:33:46 PM
Quote from: John McGraw on December 05, 2008, 01:47:16 PM
Quote from: spectator123 on December 05, 2008, 09:22:54 AM
Quote from: StarvinMarvin on November 28, 2008, 10:13:25 PM
I believe the regionals will be played at SUNY Farmingdale.  It's an all turf complex, very nice!

I'm confused...why would Old Westbury be the host playing at Farmingdale?

Who knows. We'll know more once the season and then the playoffs get closer.
I thought I was missing something
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: scuba16 on December 06, 2008, 01:09:53 PM
I guess if its going to be an 8 team regional again, maybe the travel woud be less if u have 4-5 ny teams, 1-2 mid atlantic team and 2-3 new england teams. L.I. would probably be geographically centered when u take all 8 teams travel into account. Its just a 5 hr trip for me to L.I. as opposed to a 1 hr trip to auburn!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: MMTPdthree on December 10, 2008, 01:59:25 AM
isnt SUNY Old Westbury hosting?  Where is all of this comming from about SUNY Farmingdale hosting it?  Regardless - its still on the island.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: John McGraw on December 11, 2008, 01:33:34 AM
Quote from: scuba16 on December 06, 2008, 01:09:53 PM
I guess if its going to be an 8 team regional again, maybe the travel woud be less if u have 4-5 ny teams, 1-2 mid atlantic team and 2-3 new england teams. L.I. would probably be geographically centered when u take all 8 teams travel into account. Its just a 5 hr trip for me to L.I. as opposed to a 1 hr trip to auburn!

It's been a while since anyone but the "Big Three" (Ithaca, RPI, cortland) hosted the regionals. I must admit, it's nice to have a change of scenery and have the regionals moved down to the tri-state area. Travel time will certainly be easier on any Mid-Atlantic or western New England schools that make the field. I don't see it being that bad of a hike for Ithaca or cortland though for eastern Ohio/western Pennsylvania schools it may be a long ride. Having the regional in Auburn made it a closer drive (at least last year) for Grove city and Ohio Wesleyan.

And I'm with you Scuba, it's about a five-hour trip from central New York to Long Island. Depending on the teams involved, I may sit this one out. That being said, I've missed only one of the last eight tournament's and that was because of graduation.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on January 01, 2009, 07:06:56 PM
Congratulations are in order for three University of Rochester players.

Blair Veenema - LHP
Dan Brien - 1B
Jay Jay Vanderstyne - 2B

They were selected by the Division III baseball coaches from across the country as "Players To Watch" in 2009 as listed in the January 2 issue of Collegiate Baseball newspaper.  The university is also listed as one of the "other top teams" for 2009.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: John McGraw on January 03, 2009, 12:33:50 AM
Quote from: BoomerIL on January 01, 2009, 07:06:56 PM
Congratulations are in order for three University of Rochester players.

Blair Veenema - LHP
Dan Brien - 1B
Jay Jay Vanderstyne - 2B

They were selected by the Division III baseball coaches from across the country as "Players To Watch" in 2009 as listed in the January 2 issue of Collegiate Baseball newspaper.  The university is also listed as one of the "other top teams" for 2009.

No offense, but isn't that the list that includes 200-or-so players? I seem to remember Plattsburgh having eight on that list one year. Not to take anything away from those three players, but it's like Don Hansen's football selections, it's not as prestigious when everyone makes it.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on January 03, 2009, 02:25:27 AM
John.....

You may not mean "no offense" but for some reason I don't think I want to believe you.  I sit and read all of these topics and posts of all the players that people give their opinions on, good and otherwise.  I decide to give some "props" to some of the Rochester kids, and you think its no big deal because there are 200+ players on the list.  The list in most cases has become a popularity contest in some respects.  It's safe to talk about the All-Americans because everyone wants to jump on their bandwagon.

Rochester has not been the "adoring" team like everyone wants to read or care about, but I do, and so do the players and parents!  You are probably one of the "voters" that didn't give them any consideration for the post season either.  Sure, they lost games they should have won, and they lost in the conference tournament that they hosted for a chance to get into the regional.  A telling tale which I'm sure you might say, "I told you so!"

If those names listed in the Collegiate Baseball newspaper are not important to you, then what is?  All those 200+ players seem to have garnered some acolades from a source other than the D3 website.  Hard to believe, isn't it!

No offense John, but I took offense, and I took offense at the fact that the three Rochester players did get some recognition from someone other than you.  I used to read your posts with some interest, but now I can say that your post's are no more "prestigious" than anyone elses!   :D
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: Big Louie on January 03, 2009, 10:36:30 AM
boomer to help clear some things up....the players UR has listed were put on that list by their head coach as players he thought would have big seasons. There is no voting or anything involved its just up to the head coach to put whoever he wants on the list, like John said Plattsburgh had like 8 guys listed one year, anyone can be on the list as long as his head coach thinks hes worthy of it.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on January 03, 2009, 11:08:51 AM
D3 Guy......

Your input is very helpful in understanding how some things work!!!  If I come across a sbeing nieve, well then so be it.  I try to understand how things work in college baseball/sports, and it seems that there is no real straight information as to how the system/process works.

I appreciate the clarification very much!  I was trying to give the UR kids some attention for their hard work, just like the other players listed received.  It seems that their are certain schools that get most of the attention, and I can understand that based upon their past history of performance.  UR has not been one of those schools.  Their program has gotten better, but has squandered opportunities to get to the next level.

If the listed players is Collegiate Baseball newspaper is no big deal, then it must be no big deal.  I will take that with a grain-of-salt from now on.

Thanks again "D3" for the clarification on how those players are selected!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: Big Louie on January 03, 2009, 04:15:51 PM
Boomer i know where your coming from, it would be nice to see some other NY region teams garner some respect but until they can win consistently that probably won't happen. The Liberty League is going to have RPI, the SUNYAC will have Cortland, and the Empire 8 Ithaca, it just seems like every year come tourney time those teams are always in leaving the rest of us to wait for next year. It's nice to see a program like Rochester pushing to make the regionals.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on January 03, 2009, 05:55:53 PM
Like I said, they had an excellent chance last season and didn't do it.  It was a very good team.  Losing Pete won't help, but like I believe, "one player does not make a team, but one player can make a difference."

The recruits for this season are supposed to be pretty good.  The bats should do as well as last season, and the pitching with Veenama, Park, and Guzski should do very well.  The question mark really comes from the 4th, or even the 5th starter.  Relief pitching will hopefully have improved.

It was tough losing in the conference tournament, especially after beating RPI 3 of 4, which I happily add was no fluke.  I would have loved to have seen them play Cortland, but those contests have been rained out the last two years.  This seasons schedule is average at best, with some interesting fill-ins  ::), but it wouldn't hurt to get some more "good" competition.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 04, 2009, 05:10:28 PM
Boomer, I can sense your frustration and understand it.

In the ASC, a 15-team conference, we had "quad-champs" in the ASC-West in 2008.  The Pool A bid is awarded to the conference tourney winner (best 2-of-3 among the top 4 teams in each division, 1 v 4, 2 v 3, 3 at 2, 4 at 1 in the first weekend and then double elimination for the 4 winners during the next weekend).  Last year, only McMurry, one of those "quad champs" made the playoffs.  No one got a Pool C bid from the conference, even top 25's UT-Tyler and University of the Ozarks.

Most newcomers to D3 don't understand how thin the margin of victory and defeat is.  They are used to D1 tourneys where there may be 3-5 teams going to the playoffs from the major conferences. 

A general rule is "If you shouldn't have lost the game, then that game will probably cost you the bid!"

About five years ago, a Linfield football team stayed home on a Pool B judgment call.  For the next season, they adopted the motto, "Leave no doubt!"

If your players understand how tough it is, then they will focus on every pitch as if it is the bottom of the 9th!  :)
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on January 04, 2009, 06:11:50 PM
Ralph.....

Like the old saying goes....should've, would've, could've!!  Your absolutely correct, if you don't win against a better ranked opponent, or can't beat the known lessor quality team, then you don't deserve the nod.  I personally believe that if they hadn't lost to Ithaca (they did give this one away), Vassar, St.John Fisher (for some reason they can't beat them) and even St. Lawrence in their own hosted league tournament, they may have gotten a Pool 'C' bid.  They had a team that was good enough to be in regionals, and maybe beyond.  They were hitting on all cylinders last season, except for those losses.

Don't get me wrong, they won some games hwere they should have probably lost, but as I always say, "that's baseball," including not making the regional.  Besides when you mention teams like Tyler and Ozarks, I can't imagine how frustrated they must have felt.  The selection process, or should I say the rating/points system that is used by the NCAA makes it that much more important to win your conference games as well as your highly ranked team non-conference games.

All we can do is look forward to "next" season, maybe like the Cubs do, and keep building toward the ulitmate goal, one step at a time.

Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 06, 2009, 11:08:30 PM
Good evening Boomer,
I agree.  Four changed outcomes on a season probably gets you into Pool C.

I "roughed" out the in-region record and got 24-10.  Beating SLU in the finals gives you the Pool A bid.  Let's give Rochester the other four victories to stay in "Pool C".  That makes Rochester 28-6.  I think that gets you to Pool C.

I hope our discussion helps the Yellow Jacket players understand how tenuous it is.  Don't count on Pool C!   :)

(I also assume that the NCAA doesn't count the UAA conference games as "in-region" in your case.  Adding four more UAA wins and three more UAA losses takes you to 28-13, which drops the percentage below .700   That may be the case, because that .700 to .750 in-region won-loss is where it starts to get tricky!)
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: Big Louie on January 06, 2009, 11:30:05 PM
ralph it is to my understanding that the UAA games do count toward Rochester's In-Region record
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on January 07, 2009, 10:58:32 AM
Mr. Turner.....

Every game is important as we know.  It's just interesting to me on how teams are selected to the tournament if they are not a Pool A.  You can't let up one bit.  The decision makers have a tough time, considering that they may need to move schools from one regional tournament to another.

Yeah, I don't think they took anything for granted, they just fizzled.  Sort of like my Cubs against the Dodgers.  No bats when you needed them.

38 days for MLB pitchers and catchers and injured players reporting.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 07, 2009, 11:46:16 AM
Quote from: Butch Huskey on January 06, 2009, 11:30:05 PM
ralph it is to my understanding that the UAA games do count toward Rochester's In-Region record
Thanks, Butch!  +1!  :)

The 28-13 in-region record makes more sense as to why Rochester didn't make Pool C.  Four changed outcomes make Rochester 32-9 (.780) a strong contender for Pool C. 
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on January 07, 2009, 01:34:11 PM
Mr. Turner......

32-9 would have been very nice, but all they needed to do to get in was to win their conference!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BaseB13 on January 08, 2009, 12:06:09 AM
The way the LL is currently set up it is extremely difficult for any team to get a Pool C bid... No knock to Vassar and Union but any time 20% of your regular season schedule is made up of two teams that win a combined 16 games, it's going to be difficult to get an At-Large Bid.  I don't care who else you play.  And to have losses to teams with that poor of records is even worse.  If the LL was a 12 game conference schedule like it used to be, or even 18, teams would have the ability to schedule many more strong non-conference opponents, which could help strengthen LL teams ability to attain a Pool C bid.  The ideal scenario would be 3 games vs. each conference opponent but playing in the Northeast makes it way too difficult.  Not playing 4 games in a weekend is simply not possible due to a lack of time.

However, I think the LL is doing it the right way.  Placing a major emphasis on the Pool A bid by having 60% of games played within the league.  Unless you're RPI or you win 35 games, it's going to be difficult for an LL team to get a Pool C bid until they make a name for themselves on a national level (i.e. World Series).

Butch, I'm now so sure you can say anymore that the LL is an RPI conference.  Prior to this past Spring RPI hadn't won the conference since 2004.  Three teams have won it in the past 5 years (SLU 1, RPI 2, Skid 2).
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 08, 2009, 01:22:39 AM
Good discussion about Pool C...

I can see LL teams improving your chances at Pool C by scheduling good teams for in-region games.  The expanded in-region teams will include the NY and PA schools, for the most part.  If you make a spring trip to FL or AZ, then try to coordinate those opponents.

Second, I will look more carefully in 2009, but having an in-region record less than .700 is probably a non-starter.  As we discussed with Rochester, .680 doesn't make it, and there are a ton of schools who are looking at .680 in-region records.

Finally, I think that post-season tourneys knock down Pool C teams, because they usually pick up 2 more losses, while gaining only 2-3 wins.  Jim Dixon and I believe that Linfield earned its Pool C bid by not having two more losses in the post-season tourney!

Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on January 15, 2009, 11:44:34 PM
University of Rochester Schedule........

March 7     Sat.    Skidmore College (DH) - St. Petersburg, FL - Noon
March 8     Sun.   Skidmore College (DH) - St. Petersburg, FL - 11am
March 10   Tues.  Emory - Sanford, FL - 11am
March 10   Tues.  Case Western Reserve U. - Sanford, FL - 2:30 pm
March 11   Wed.  Brandeis - Sanford, FL - 6pm
March 12   Thurs. Emory University - Sanford, FL - 4pm
March 13   Fri.     Washington U. St. Louis - Sanford, FL - 2:30pm
March 14   Sat.    Brandeis - Sanford, FL - 11am
March 21   Sat.    Cobleskill (DH) Towers Field - 2:30pm
March 22   Sun.   Cobleskill Towers Field - Noon
March 24   Tues.  @Cortland St. Cortland, NY - 3:30pm
March 28   Sat.    @St. Lawrence U. (DH) - Canton, NY - 1pm
March 29   Sun.    @St. Lawrence U. (DH) - Canton, NY - Noon
April 1        Wed.   Brockport St. Towers Field - 4pm
April 4        Sat.    @Union College (DH) - Schenectady, NY - 1pm
April 5        Sun.   @Union College (DH) - Schenectady, NY  -Noon
April 7        Tues.  St. John Fisher Towers Field - 4pm
April 10      Fri.     RPI (DH) Towers Field - 2pm
April 11      Sat.    RPI (DH) Towers Field  -Noon
April 14      Tues.  RIT Towers Field - 4pm
April 15      Wed.  @Keuka Keuka Park, NY - 3pm
April 18      Sat.    Clarkson University (DH) - Towers Field - 1pm
April 19      Sun.   Clarkson University (DH) - Towers Field - Noon
April 21      Tues.  Ithaca College Towers Field - 4pm
April 22      Wed.  @RIT Rochester, NY - 4pm
April 25      Sat.   @Vassar (DH) - Poughkeepsie, NY - 1pm
April 26      Sun.   @Vassar (DH) - Poughkeepsie, NY - Noon
April 29      Wed.  @St. John Fisher Penfield, NY - 4pm
May 8-10   Fri.-Sun Liberty League Tournament TBD TBD
May 13-17 Wed.-Sun. NCAA Regional Tournament Farmingdale, NY TBD
May 22-30 Fri.-Sat. Division III World Series Appleton, WI TBD
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 15, 2009, 11:54:33 PM
I count 41 games Boomer IL.

Is one of the games "cancel-able", considering early season weather?

(I am thinking that you will have a "global warming" winter until early May.)
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on January 16, 2009, 12:14:46 AM
Mr. Turner.....

As usual, the weather will most likely cancel several games, if not more.  Coach Reina has always anticipated this, at least since I have known him.  Some of the coaches in the 'away' games have fields that can "drain" much better than most, so they have made concessions for weather conditions, i.e., Cortland where their fields have good drainage.  If the scheduled date doesn't work, then they have 1-2 consecutive dates from the original date that could work.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: AlleyCat on February 12, 2009, 10:49:30 AM
From the looks of it the Liberty League is Rochester's to lose. They have 2 great lefties and solid hitting back. They deserved to be in the NCAA's last year even though they fell in the LL tourney. I think the LL is an undervalued league when it comes to strength. Rochester and RPI are usually tough and in the playoffs Skidmore and St Lawrence play tough. Now because of the 24 game league schedule sometimes the LL has some tough mid-week matchups, but with that said I think the league is pretty solid. Every league has teams that will have bad years and the LL is no different. The first weekend in Florida will be interesting with Rochester playing a tough Skidmore team.  RPI should be good again, but some of the pitchers are going to need to step it up with Zongol and Klein leaving. Offensively they should be ok.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: spectator123 on February 12, 2009, 11:46:45 AM
How many quality pitchers do you really need to get you through the regular season and the LL tournament to get you in a position  for a potential WS regional bid? Does Rochester and other LL schools have what they need? I assume the bullpen is real important. How is that looking throughout the league?
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: AlleyCat on February 13, 2009, 08:38:55 AM
To really be a contender in a league that plays 4 game sets you need at least 3 quality starters and 3 out of the pen minimum.  Top 4 go to the Tourney and its a double elimination 3 day tourney I believe. Even then you need 3 starters and a good pen to be a contender. In a 8 team regional you need more than that.  4 or 5 quality starters and 4 or 5 quality relievers. If you don't have that, you better win every game.

Rochester and RPI has good pitching depth although both lost its dominant #1 from last year.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: spectator123 on February 13, 2009, 08:44:06 AM
Quote from: AlleyCat on February 13, 2009, 08:38:55 AM
To really be a contender in a league that plays 4 game sets you need at least 3 quality starters and 3 out of the pen minimum.  Top 4 go to the Tourney and its a double elimination 3 day tourney I believe. Even then you need 3 starters and a good pen to be a contender. In a 8 team regional you need more than that.  4 or 5 quality starters and 4 or 5 quality relievers. If you don't have that, you better win every game.

Rochester and RPI has good pitching depth although both lost its dominant #1 from last year.
That's a lot of arms...I guess a good defense makes it easier.
Do teams win by just out hitting their opponents...I doubt it
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on March 11, 2009, 11:34:16 AM
The Rochester Yellowjackets are off to strong start this spring. With two doubleheader conference wins in St. Petersburg, FL against Skidmore this past weekend, 9-8, 26-3, 8-4, 6-3, and adding a 10-7 win over Emory and 16-2 win over Case Western Reserve yesterday in Rochester's UAA Conference games in Sanford, FL, the rest of the week hopes to be equally strong.  The hitting and pitching have been very, very strong.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on March 15, 2009, 05:58:49 PM
Yesterday UR finished their Florida trip, and captured the UAA Tournament title as well! It's been many years since they won this tournament.  Everyone contributed to this successful week. 

With a record of 4-0 against conference rival Skidmore the previous weekend in St.Pete, and the 4-2 record this week in Sanford, UR hopes to keep the momentum going into next weekends games.  The weather was fantastic, and hopefully going back home to play in the cold won't stall this really good team.

Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: AlleyCat on March 16, 2009, 03:45:01 PM
Like I said before Uof R is the team to beat this year. They have the arms and a good offense will make them tough to beat. Skidmore will rebound and make a run at the playoffs, they always do. It looks like RPI had some trouble replacing all the guys who graduated. The rest of the league is just beginning, so who knows.

Rochester should sweep this weekend over Cobleskill and be 11-2. St Lawrence is flying into Troy to play this weekend and those games should be good ones to start the league. Clarkson played pretty well against Cortland.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: Bob Maxwell on March 19, 2009, 04:19:18 PM
I agree... Rochester is poised to have a very good year.  This year may be their turn to win the conference and participate in the regional.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: nybaseball11 on March 22, 2009, 12:11:00 PM
Question..... So how come there was not one article written on D3 Baseball about the UAA champion  Rochester Yellowjackets. The tournament wasn't even mentioned. (If there was an article and I missed it, please correct me). I think it is absurd that we all read articles about individual accolades across the country and there wasn't one mention of the tournament. Following the website for the last few years since is inception I have definitely noticed a serious bias hat exists. The bias of coverage transcends simply through the rankings and especially comes into play when it comes to regional selections. The lack on New York Coverage on the website is directly correlated to the snubbing of many New York teams come selection time at the end of the year. I don't know whether the blame should fall on the schools SID's or whether it falls elsewhere along the chain of coverage. But I truly think that it is a shame.

Congratulations to Rochester on wining the tournament.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: Bob Maxwell on March 22, 2009, 05:03:04 PM
someone has to write it...  and it is almost impossible to write a story if you are not at the game.  Or at least ahve someone send you an outline of it.  Jim is always looking for stringers... just remember, if you offer to help you need to be objective with it and not write with a slant like some of the posts some put on the boards.

I am sure Jim will love the help... its just a hard thing to do if you don't keep score, take notes and then you have to get it in to him quickly after the game.  I don't knwo about most of us, but I'm usually driving home or eating for the next few hours after a game.

email jim and offer to help with stories... 
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: Bob Maxwell on March 22, 2009, 05:05:20 PM
One more thing... I belevie that they don't want to put the onus on any of the school SID's.  And I would think that they would prefer not to have them write the stories... just my tought on it. 

Ralph, Jim, any thoughts... seems like we may have someone interested in contributing???
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: John McGraw on March 22, 2009, 08:46:40 PM
Quote from: nybaseball11 on March 22, 2009, 12:11:00 PM
Question..... So how come there was not one article written on D3 Baseball about the UAA champion  Rochester Yellowjackets. The tournament wasn't even mentioned. (If there was an article and I missed it, please correct me). I think it is absurd that we all read articles about individual accolades across the country and there wasn't one mention of the tournament. Following the website for the last few years since is inception I have definitely noticed a serious bias hat exists. The bias of coverage transcends simply through the rankings and especially comes into play when it comes to regional selections. The lack on New York Coverage on the website is directly correlated to the snubbing of many New York teams come selection time at the end of the year. I don't know whether the blame should fall on the schools SID's or whether it falls elsewhere along the chain of coverage. But I truly think that it is a shame.

Congratulations to Rochester on wining the tournament.

Pete,

No blame should be placed on an SID here. At the time of the UAA tournament, Dennis O'Donnell, Rochester's great SID, was dealing mostly with the women's basketball tournament along with tons of other sports. UofR hosted games back-to-back weekends all while baseball and other spring sports were just getting going. It's not his job to get the information to us when it's already up on his own site.

As for why there was nothing on the web site. There's many Division III teams across the country and sometimes we just can't get to everything. We only have so many people on the staff that can cover stories. And most of the staff was busy the last few weekends with the men's and women's basketball tournament. Mostly, Jim Dixon is the lone front-page editor and there's only so much that Jim can get to.

I won't ever address the issue of bias because it's completely off base.

This all being said, I'll be seeing Rochester and cortland in person on Tuesday. 
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: AlleyCat on March 23, 2009, 08:10:53 AM
Well the Liberty League is underway and both Clarkson and RPI got off to good starts to go along with Rochesters early 4-0 start. Clarkson won 3 of 4 putting them in a good place early in the league season and unexpectedly RPI swept St Lawrence outscoring them 50-13.  Was anyone at those games? I'm wondering if RPI looked good after a very shaky start? St Lawrence always plays them tough from looking at past scores.

Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on March 23, 2009, 03:49:34 PM
I would have loved to have written about UR's Florida trip since I was there, but as usual, I feel that I would have been criticized for being to biased.

I will say though, this team will surprise many this year, and probably for a few more years to come.  They are deep in all positions, they can flat out hit (check the box scores), they have speed, defense has been shakey on occasion, but the pitching is the biggest surprise, to the good!!!!  O.K., so I'm a HOMER!!!!!  I also believe that the reason New York teams might not get enough mention is like Bob Maxwell stated, "someone has to write it."  But like anything else, the team has to continue to win, and prove that it is worthy of mention.

Rochesters's game at Cortland tomorrow has real meaning for both teams.  It will be interesting to see who Cortland pitches since Tone pitched the opener yesterday, and who the Yellowjackets start.  I really want to thank Cortland for having the game on CBS Gametracker, not being there for my first UR vs Cortland game is going to kill me!!!!! 
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: John McGraw on March 23, 2009, 04:03:22 PM
Quote from: BoomerIL on March 23, 2009, 03:49:34 PM
I would have loved to have written about UR's Florida trip since I was there, but as usual, I feel that I would have been criticized for being to biased.

I will say though, this team will surprise many this year, and probably for a few more years to come.  They are deep in all positions, they can flat out hit (check the box scores), they have speed, defense has been shakey on occasion, but the pitching is the biggest surprise, to the good!!!!  O.K., so I'm a HOMER!!!!!  I also believe that the reason New York teams might not get enough mention is like Bob Maxwell stated, "someone has to write it."  But like anything else, the team has to continue to win, and prove that it is worthy of mention.

Rochesters's game at Cortland tomorrow has real meaning for both teams.  It will be interesting to see who Cortland pitches since Tone pitched the opener yesterday, and who the Yellowjackets start.  I really want to thank Cortland for having the game on CBS Gametracker, not being there for my first UR vs Cortland game is going to kill me!!!!! 

You'll more than likely see mid-week guys for both teams seeing as how each team has a myriad of games coming up. While regional implications abound, both coaches I'm sure would rather save their top arms for conference games.

As for Gametracker, I'm pretty sure Cortland doesn't have LiveStats. There'll be an audio broadcast off Cortland's web site and I'll be blogging on D3baseball.com.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on March 23, 2009, 05:49:50 PM
Quote from: John McGraw on March 23, 2009, 04:03:22 PM
Quote from: BoomerIL on March 23, 2009, 03:49:34 PM
I would have loved to have written about UR's Florida trip since I was there, but as usual, I feel that I would have been criticized for being to biased.

I will say though, this team will surprise many this year, and probably for a few more years to come.  They are deep in all positions, they can flat out hit (check the box scores), they have speed, defense has been shakey on occasion, but the pitching is the biggest surprise, to the good!!!!  O.K., so I'm a HOMER!!!!!  I also believe that the reason New York teams might not get enough mention is like Bob Maxwell stated, "someone has to write it."  But like anything else, the team has to continue to win, and prove that it is worthy of mention.

Rochesters's game at Cortland tomorrow has real meaning for both teams.  It will be interesting to see who Cortland pitches since Tone pitched the opener yesterday, and who the Yellowjackets start.  I really want to thank Cortland for having the game on CBS Gametracker, not being there for my first UR vs Cortland game is going to kill me!!!!! 

You'll more than likely see mid-week guys for both teams seeing as how each team has a myriad of games coming up. While regional implications abound, both coaches I'm sure would rather save their top arms for conference games.

As for Gametracker, I'm pretty sure Cortland doesn't have LiveStats. There'll be an audio broadcast off Cortland's web site and I'll be blogging on D3baseball.com.

As far as pitching, is Jweid available?  UR could be pitching their 3 or 4.

Yesterday during the Manhattanville games, I was following the action on CBS's Gametracker.  Maybe they won't have it available tomorrow?????
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: John McGraw on March 23, 2009, 07:33:27 PM
Manhattanville has a deal with CBS Sports Gametracker and that's the program they run their LiveStats feature through. A decent number of Division III schools have LiveStats programs and the same can be said for the number of schools that do not have live in-game stats available.

Cortland doesn't have LiveStats. But, like I said, I'll be live blogging tomorrow and there will also be a Cortland audio webcast of the game so there are means of tracking what's going on during the game.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on March 25, 2009, 08:34:25 PM
Well it was a real nice surprise to see Rochester ranked in the ABCA poll this week.  Although it is the first one of the year for the ABCA poll, I certainly hope it won't just be UR's first and only ranking in this poll this season.  Rochester also received votes earlier in the week in the D3 poll.

This weekends DH's with St.Lawrence should be good, however the two down the road with Clasrkson and RPI are going to be tough.  Clarkson played tough last season, and RPI is always in the top tier of the New York or national rankings.

St.John Fisher always gives UR headaches, and any conference game loss will definitely ruin a weekend.  I think if Rochester can win those tough games along with wins against Brockport and Ithaca, well lets just say that you're going to have many happy Yellowjackets fans in May!!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: AlleyCat on March 27, 2009, 08:14:06 AM
Well it looks like Rochester and RPI have it going in the early season. Rochester is 12 -2 and have St Lawrence this weekend. RPI is on a 9 game winning streak and is 10-4 heading down to Vassar. If things keep going the way they are 2 weeks from now could be some fun. I also think that Clarkson is going to be a tough team for anyone this year with a upper class of sluggers.

I think everyone thought Rochester would be the team to beat this year. RPI coming off a great season lost a lot and was shaky early, but now they look like they have it going and have more power this year than last.  Rochester still has the egde.

Rochester 22-2
Rensselaer 20-4
Clarkson  16-8
St Lawrence 12-12

My top 4 prediction for the league tournament.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: Bob Maxwell on March 27, 2009, 12:55:30 PM
No arguement here...  I would pick the same four.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on March 27, 2009, 05:24:08 PM
Quote from: AlleyCat on March 27, 2009, 08:14:06 AM
Well it looks like Rochester and RPI have it going in the early season. Rochester is 12 -2 and have St Lawrence this weekend. RPI is on a 9 game winning streak and is 10-4 heading down to Vassar. If things keep going the way they are 2 weeks from now could be some fun. I also think that Clarkson is going to be a tough team for anyone this year with a upper class of sluggers.

I think everyone thought Rochester would be the team to beat this year. RPI coming off a great season lost a lot and was shaky early, but now they look like they have it going and have more power this year than last.  Rochester still has the egde.

Rochester 22-2
Rensselaer 20-4
Clarkson  16-8
St Lawrence 12-12

My top 4 prediction for the league tournament.

You and Bob Maxwell are wise men!!!!   :D  However, I won't be as bold as to say 22-2.  Of course I hope I'm wrong.  I just want to take it one game at a time.

By the way, UR is playing today and tomorrow at St.Lawrence.  They re-scheduled based upon the rain forecast for Sunday.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: spectator123 on March 27, 2009, 06:11:44 PM
U of R won the first game 4 - 2 coming from behind against St L
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on March 27, 2009, 07:33:20 PM
Rochester split today winning game 1, 4-2, but losing game 2 5-4.  They always have a hard time against St.Lawrence.  Must be "divine intervention."  Just kidding, although.......... :-\ 
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on March 28, 2009, 10:21:09 PM
Rochester picked up a pair of wins today, 4-3 and 10-3 to extend their record to 15-3 on the season, and 7-1 in the Liberty League.

With wins today by Luke Brocks, 3-0, who came in relief of Blair Veenema in the 5th inning of game one ( Charles "Ned" Chanatry recorded his 3rd save pitching the 7th), and Paul Toland also improved his record to 3-0 on the season as well completing 6 innings.  Olsen and Sullivan came in relief to finish the contest.

St. Lawrence has always given UR trouble.  Coming away with winning 3 of 4 at St.Lawrence was really good.  Rochester faces Brockport Wednesday, April 1st at UR.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: AlleyCat on March 29, 2009, 09:11:29 PM
Clarkson swept 2 from Union and RPI put 2 more wins on the board at Vassar giving them 11 in a row. Both of their Sunday DH's were washed out. RPI looks like it is making it up Tuesday, don't know about Clarkson.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: AlleyCat on April 02, 2009, 12:04:17 PM
RPI (15-4)seems to still have it rolling winning 2 more from Vassar and beating William Patterson yesterday in the rain 13-5. Clarkson is playing well and has RPI up there for 4 this weekend. Rochester has Brockport today and Union this weekend which should start shaping the field for the tournament. I wouldn't count Skidmore out, they're starting to play better and won 2 of 3 against Plattsburgh. St Lawrence needs a good weekend to stay in the hunt.

I'm predicting a Clarkson RPI split and Rochester to sweep Union
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on April 02, 2009, 01:07:24 PM
AlleyCat.....

It's funny you should predict a Clarkson split with RPI.  Clarkson is playing some really good baseball, and they can hit!  The pitching seems to be pretty good as well.

Hopefully your prediction of UR sweeping Union holds true.  With RPI always strong, and Clarkson stepping up this season, UR has its work cut out for itself.  They still have to play St.John Fisher who always gives UR trouble, not to mention that Vassar always seems to win at least one against them.  Rochester can't give anything away and they still need to play Brockport today, and Ithaca down the road.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: AlleyCat on April 02, 2009, 02:43:29 PM
I think Clarkson is very good! They have a lot of veteran guys who can play and Coach Kane always has them ready for RPI. RPI is playing well, but everyone knows its tough to play up in the north country.  I'm calling for a split because I think it will be a great matchup.

Clarkson should probably try to make up those Union games this year as from what I've heard the has gone to winning percentage for the top 4. 2 more wins could really help them.

Rochester is still the team to beat in the Liberty League.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on April 02, 2009, 07:50:41 PM
I just read the box score from the Rochester-Brockport game today at Rochester.  All I have to say is BRUTAL!!

I remember my old friend from last season "shoeless," who questioned the defense of Rochester.  He was/is absolutely correct with his ccomments.  You cannot commit 5 errors in a game, any game, at your home field, and expect to be given any respect.  No excuses!!

Now, I know that Brockport has not played their best baseball this season, and I'm not trying to take anything away from those kids, but I guess they had something to prove, and Rochester didn't.  This is the reason I am getting concerned about RPI, Clarkson, and even Union and Vassar.  Time will tell if UR can bounce back from this big loss, and the weather doesn't look like it will help them this weekend.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: Bob Maxwell on April 05, 2009, 07:56:48 AM
Boomer, we've talked about Defense in the past... good teams do lose if they commit errors.  Its been something that Cortland has dealt with a few times in past years.  But if you can hit, often times you over come the poor defense.

Brockport had a couple of infield errors too.  I wonder if the field was chopped up, or if they were throwing errors if the wet grounds had anythign to do with it.  Its part of the game.

At least they happened in a non-conference game.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on April 05, 2009, 10:20:18 AM
Bob.....

I do believe there were some throwing errors.  None the less, and with no disrespect to Brockport, you cannot allow yourself to beaten like that, and at home.  I'm sure there is a local rivalry there, but to give up four runs in the eleventh is not good.  If the final turned out to be a one run loss, a squeaker, then maybe I'd say o.k.  But still, 5 errors in the game!!!  What about the runs scored in the first nine innings???

Like you mentioned, field conditions or not, both teams had the same situation to deal with. This loss does matter because it is an "in region" game.  However, Rochester did win two games against Union yesterday with rainy, 30+ degree conditions.  Sure, Union is not a powerhouse, but maybe UR needed those wins to maybe pull them through this weekend.  They did make some roster moves yesterday has well.  Next week they play RPI at Towers Field in Rochester.  A huge series for both to say the least.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: AlleyCat on April 06, 2009, 09:29:07 AM
Was anyone at the Rochester games this weekend? I'm shocked that Union took a game from them. They must have played extremely well to shut them down on one hit. But with that said winning 3 of 4 on the road is good against anyone. St Lawrence and Skidmore split doesn't help with the determination of the 4th team yet. It looks like Clarkson is the real deal this year losing a close game to RPI yesterday.

This weekend should be a good one in Rochester if the weather allows them to play. Last year Rochester took 3 of 4 at RPI.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: Bob Maxwell on April 06, 2009, 09:37:18 AM
Boomer, I feel your frustration as Brockport, as good as they've been the last few years... seemed to have a propensity for losing some region games to (IMO) lesser competition.  AND it did hurt us in the end of the season when the committees would meet.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: John McGraw on April 06, 2009, 12:09:29 PM
Quote from: AlleyCat on April 06, 2009, 09:29:07 AM
Was anyone at the Rochester games this weekend? I'm shocked that Union took a game from them. They must have played extremely well to shut them down on one hit. But with that said winning 3 of 4 on the road is good against anyone. St Lawrence and Skidmore split doesn't help with the determination of the 4th team yet. It looks like Clarkson is the real deal this year losing a close game to RPI yesterday.

This weekend should be a good one in Rochester if the weather allows them to play. Last year Rochester took 3 of 4 at RPI.

I'd go to watch if the series wasn't being played on Easter weekend.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on April 06, 2009, 10:32:36 PM
I was going to be at the Rochester vs RPI series this coming weekend, however, discretion being the better part of valor, I need to be home.  Our oldest daughter and son-in-law are having their first baby, our third grandchild.  They live in Madison, WI.  So, needless to say if I go to the games, well let's just say that my son wouldn't appreciate me trying to share his campus dorm room with his dad!!!  I f you know what I mean!   :P 
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: AlleyCat on April 09, 2009, 08:13:02 AM
With RPI's sweep yesterday over Clarkson it sets this weekend up very well. 10-2 against 11-0 in the league. Was anyone at the games yesterday? They looked like barnburners?
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: John McGraw on April 11, 2009, 07:12:22 PM
RPI and Rochester split on Saturday in Rochester. They'll wrap up the series tomorrow. Rochester needs to sweep to have any hope of hosting the conference tournament. RPI's remaining league opponents are Skidmore and Union, both of those are home-and-home's.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on April 12, 2009, 08:09:42 PM
Well John, there is no hope!  I hope you didn't throw an RPI jinx on UR?

However, the truth is...."piching isn't the only thing, it's everything!"  The starters for UR did really well today, but the relief effort, "how do you spell relief?"  Not good!  You cannot give-up 2 and 3 run leads as the visiting team going into the home teams (RPI) bottom of the ninth, and then lose!!  My hat is off to RPI.  They were the better team this weekend.  And please, I hope someone doesn't say that they are, have been, and always will be the better team.

I really don't like the RPI coach and how he manages, but I do give him his "props" for putting good hitting and pitching on the field every year. 
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: John McGraw on April 12, 2009, 08:34:48 PM
Quote from: BoomerIL on April 12, 2009, 08:09:42 PM
Well John, there is no hope!  I hope you didn't throw an RPI jinx on UR?

However, the truth is...."piching isn't the only thing, it's everything!"  The starters for UR did really well today, but the relief effort, "how do you spell relief?"  Not good!  You cannot give-up 2 and 3 run leads as the visiting team going into the home teams (RPI) bottom of the ninth, and then lose!!  My hat is off to RPI.  They were the better team this weekend.  And please, I hope someone doesn't say that they are, have been, and always will be the better team.

I really don't like the RPI coach and how he manages, but I do give him his "props" for putting good hitting and pitching on the field every year. 

Love or hate RPI, Karl Steffen's teams are always in position to win and have become almost a sure thing at regionals time. While some years they may not have the best talent, they know how to win and find ways to do it.

The Engineers have a big pair of regional games this week against a decent Montclair State team. RPI already has a win over Willy P so this should be a fun series. An RPI sweep and I'm ready to annoint them the number one seed at the Farmingdale regional.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on April 13, 2009, 12:19:00 AM
Annoint them if you must, but don't count Rochester out yet.  Sure Steffen may always have good teams, but you can't beat yourself like UR did this weekend.  You can give all the credit in the world to Steffen, but the players played the games.  Give them the credit, not Steffen.

You have probably heard of the saying, "should have, would have, or could have."  Or how about "if?"  UR let them back in those games today.  Not great coaching by Steffen, but UR pitching. 
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: AlleyCat on April 13, 2009, 10:01:11 AM
With the closeness of all 4 games you cannot count Rochester out of anything. Their relief pitching was suspect this weekend but it had been pretty good before that. Remember last year Rochester went to RPI and took 3 of 4 and then RPI took the tourney. Like I said before, Rochester should have gotten a bid last year and I think if everything goes on plan that both Rochester and RPI are going to be deserving of bids this year.

BoomerIL were you at the games?

I think the Region has some outstanding teams - Ithaca, Cortland, Oneonta, RPI, Rochester, Farmingdale - any thoughts
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: WrongArm on April 13, 2009, 10:04:26 AM
A couple of games ... a body of work over an number years. Apples and oranges.

Anything can happen on a given weekend -- bullpen collapse, errors, homeruns, game-saving defensive plays -- it's what makes baseball such a great game.

Every team gives a few games away. The best do it less often. Over a number of seasons, smart coaching, effective practice, evaluating talent, and successful recruiting keeps those numbers down. And I'd give the coach credit for that. I'd also put some blame on a coach who's teams have shown a tendency to give away close games

I won't presume to speak for John, but I think his point is that over time, a successful coach earns some credit for the success of his team, even though the he has no role between the lines.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: John McGraw on April 13, 2009, 12:42:56 PM
Quote from: WrongArm on April 13, 2009, 10:04:26 AM
A couple of games ... a body of work over an number years. Apples and oranges.

Anything can happen on a given weekend -- bullpen collapse, errors, homeruns, game-saving defensive plays -- it's what makes baseball such a great game.

Every team gives a few games away. The best do it less often. Over a number of seasons, smart coaching, effective practice, evaluating talent, and successful recruiting keeps those numbers down. And I'd give the coach credit for that. I'd also put some blame on a coach who's teams have shown a tendency to give away close games

I won't presume to speak for John, but I think his point is that over time, a successful coach earns some credit for the success of his team, even though the he has no role between the lines.

Yeah, that's what I meant.

At this point, I still think Rochester and RPI will play for the league title come May. Though, clarkson may have something to say about that. The Golden Knights hit the ball pretty well and could be a sleeper come tournament time.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: AlleyCat on April 13, 2009, 01:07:26 PM
John,
I agree. Clarkson played RPI tough and pitched pretty well during the 3 game seies. I think this weekends series with Rochester could really tell everyone where they are at in the league.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on April 13, 2009, 04:13:59 PM
Quote from: John McGraw on April 13, 2009, 12:42:56 PM
Quote from: WrongArm on April 13, 2009, 10:04:26 AM
A couple of games ... a body of work over an number years. Apples and oranges.

Anything can happen on a given weekend -- bullpen collapse, errors, homeruns, game-saving defensive plays -- it's what makes baseball such a great game.

Every team gives a few games away. The best do it less often. Over a number of seasons, smart coaching, effective practice, evaluating talent, and successful recruiting keeps those numbers down. And I'd give the coach credit for that. I'd also put some blame on a coach who's teams have shown a tendency to give away close games

I won't presume to speak for John, but I think his point is that over time, a successful coach earns some credit for the success of his team, even though the he has no role between the lines.

Yeah, that's what I meant.

At this point, I still think Rochester and RPI will play for the league title come May. Though, clarkson may have something to say about that. The Golden Knights hit the ball pretty well and could be a sleeper come tournament time.

Gentlemen....

Don't get me wrong, I agree with what both of you have said.  A coach only has to work with what he has.  Over time, should the program flourish, attract better talent, and then maintain that level of play year in and year out, then they should get the credit like RPI gets.

This weekend will be a deciding factor as to whether UR can bounce back, holding-off what I believe to be like John stated, a tough Clarkson team, and take the series.  If they do just that, that still doesn't guarantee Rochester anything.  IF, and I hate to use that word, if they had knocked off RPI, then its a whole different story, maybe!  LIke I said in a different post before, Clarkson isn't going to be easy.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on April 13, 2009, 04:22:41 PM
AlleyCat.....

No I wasn't at the games.  I was at home on my computer.  One of the moms used "Skype" so that I and several other long distance parents could be a part of the games.  I almost wish I didn't hear the disaster yesterday.  However, I still believe, should they get an invite to the regional and the Liberty League Tournament will tell alot, they stand a good chance of moving on.

I know many will disagree with that last sentence, but I feel these guys can make it happen, losing to RPI this past weekend or not. 

Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: AlleyCat on April 13, 2009, 08:47:32 PM
I agree with you 100% Rochester and RPI should be Regional teams if they continue to win.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: John McGraw on April 14, 2009, 08:47:24 PM
Montclair State 9-1 over RPI, re-match tomorrow.

Rochester 14 RIT 8
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: AlleyCat on April 15, 2009, 08:47:08 AM
Looks like RPI went with all relievers and some guys who didn't pitch much. The tough weekend in Rochester must have left them a little tired.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: John McGraw on April 15, 2009, 08:13:51 PM
Montclair 6 RPI 4

Another pitcher-by-committee effort from the Engineers. They were done in by four errors and Montclair's offensive prowess of 14 hits.

Seems like RPI is more lining its' ducks up for Union in league play this weekend. Not a bad idea since wrapping up home field for the conference tournament is most important in a Pool A league.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: AlleyCat on April 16, 2009, 07:09:53 AM
John,
I think you hit it right on the head. RPI used some guys over the last 2 days that have had much time on the mound.  I think they were setting themselves up for the weekend and not worrying too much about these 2 games. Montclair looks like they went after these games due to not playing this past weekend with 2 of their top starters.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: John McGraw on April 16, 2009, 12:37:26 PM
Given RPI's outstanding regional record coming in, the losses don't hurt them. They still have a win over William Paterson so it's not as if they don't have any great out-of-conference wins.

As for Montclair, it's a big sweep for them. If they can get on a roll here at the end of the season, they'll have a good shot at an at-large if they don't take the NJAC title. But, they still need to get on that roll since a 14-11 mark isn't going to do it now. They'll have quality OOC wins over Eastern Conn., Cortland and RPI
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: Big Louie on April 16, 2009, 08:06:26 PM
Any idea why Veenema didn't pitch this weekend in the rpi series? Is he hurt?
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: AlleyCat on April 17, 2009, 02:53:29 PM
Big weekend in the LL. Clarkson @ Rochester should be a great series and see where Clarkson is at late in the season. Union and RPI square off in an always tough local rivalry. Skidmore needs a sweep of Vassar to get  a leg up on St lawrence for the 4th spot.

Should be interesting and should shake some things out.

Veenama must have been hurt if he didn't pitch. I'm sure it's something minor that they were just taking precautions. Also could have been a strategy move on coaches part so RPI wouldn't see all of his starters on the weekend.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: John McGraw on April 17, 2009, 03:21:09 PM
Quote from: AlleyCat on April 17, 2009, 02:53:29 PM
Big weekend in the LL. Clarkson @ Rochester should be a great series and see where Clarkson is at late in the season. Union and RPI square off in an always tough local rivalry. Skidmore needs a sweep of Vassar to get  a leg up on St lawrence for the 4th spot.

Should be interesting and should shake some things out.

Veenama must have been hurt if he didn't pitch. I'm sure it's something minor that they were just taking precautions. Also could have been a strategy move on coaches part so RPI wouldn't see all of his starters on the weekend.

Veenema's a senior. It's not like RPI hasn't seen him before.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: Big Louie on April 17, 2009, 08:24:01 PM
Alley Cat that is one of the dumbest thing ive heard and I would hope Coach Reina is smarter than that.  Like John said Veenema is a senior and RPI has already seen him at least 3 or 4 times. Hopefully its not anything serious and hes able to pitch this weekend.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: John McGraw on April 18, 2009, 07:29:47 PM
Today's scores...

RPI 10 Union 3
RPI 15 Union 5

Skidmore 5 Vassar 4
Skidmore 20 Vassar 7

Rochester 9 clarkson 4
Rochester 5 clarkson 2

Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: AlleyCat on April 19, 2009, 09:11:07 PM
I think with todays outcomes RPI has locked up the No.1 seed for the LL tourney.

RPI 19 Union 5
Union 9 RPI 8
Clarkson 2 Rochester 0
Clarkson 2 Rochester 0


RPI 17-2, 4 to play
Rochester 13-7, 4 to play
Skidmore 9-7, 8 to play
Clarkson 7-6, 8 to play

Todays sweep could hurt Rochesters chance at an at-large bid depending on how they finish. Let me know what you think.

Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on April 19, 2009, 09:50:09 PM
I think you might be right about Rochester's chances.  To me, 32-33 wins for a Pool C may be enough to get you in.  However, with 8 scheduled games left and rain predicted for the Ithaca game Tuesday, they would have to win all of them, or just win the Liberty League tournament outright.

For some reason the bats have been cold.  I don't know if they a "pressing" or what, but for the whole team to drop 20+ points in team average over the last two weekends, something is way off and has to change.  Being the forever optimist, maybe this is something they are getting rid of now.  Maybe not??  We'll see.  JMHO 
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: John McGraw on April 20, 2009, 12:38:47 PM
Quote from: BoomerIL on April 19, 2009, 09:50:09 PM
I think you might be right about Rochester's chances.  To me, 32-33 wins for a Pool C may be enough to get you in.  However, with 8 scheduled games left and rain predicted for the Ithaca game Tuesday, they would have to win all of them, or just win the Liberty League tournament outright.

For some reason the bats have been cold.  I don't know if they a "pressing" or what, but for the whole team to drop 20+ points in team average over the last two weekends, something is way off and has to change.  Being the forever optimist, maybe this is something they are getting rid of now.  Maybe not??  We'll see.  JMHO 

Rochester's regional record isn't great but it's not awful. I would say that Rochester needs to win out on their remaining schedule and then get to the finals of the conference tournament to be considered for an at-large should RPI or another school win the Liberty League automatic bid.

You'll also have to hope that there's no upsets around the country because there's nothing that eats up at-large bids faster than regular season conference champs going down in the conference tournament. For example, Southern Maine wins the Little East but then loses to Eastern conn. in the tournament finals. USM will more than likely get an at-large, knocking a bubble team off the bracket. Because, while Rochester is a solid Pool c in upstate NY, at-large bids are handed out on a national scale. Not to mention that the national committee has no problem sending extra New England region teams to the "New York" regional.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: AlleyCat on April 20, 2009, 12:44:54 PM
John,
I think that Rochester or RPI could get a Pool C from NY. Do you think that there are any other teams from NY besides possibly Cortland that could get one? It seems that the SUNYAC was looking good but has tailed off a bit.

Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: John McGraw on April 20, 2009, 12:57:16 PM
Quote from: AlleyCat on April 20, 2009, 12:44:54 PM
John,
I think that Rochester or RPI could get a Pool C from NY. Do you think that there are any other teams from NY besides possibly Cortland that could get one? It seems that the SUNYAC was looking good but has tailed off a bit.



I think RPI definitely will if it doesn't win the Liberty League. The Engineers (yes I know there's another nickname for the baseball team) should be number one or two in the regional rankings come Thursday. Rochester has a shot though like I said, they need to play good baseball the rest of the way.

The SUNY teams aside from cortland don't. As for cortland, I don't know. Their regional record got a big bump from a 4-0 weekend but I'm not sure that they get an at-large if they don't win the league tournament. They squeaked in in 2004 but I don't think lightning will strike twice. That being said, I still think they'll win the conference tournament.

No one else in the league has a great resume and the parity in the league has hurt everyone because they're all beating up on one another.

And then we won't see two teams from the Skyline given the conference's track record in the postseason though they've got three or four teams that could all make noise in Long Island. Farmingdale's the league leader and they have the worst regional record of the three contenders down there. Mt. St. Mary was a sexy pick earlier in the season but they've trailed off somewhat and were just swept by Mt. St. Vincent.

And Pool B, Ithaca. RIT's been atrocious and Fisher just got dumped three out of four by Ithaca. No shot for either of those two.

Now, the one thing that could throw a big monkey wrench into the bracket is if cazenovia or Keuka wins the NEAc. That would more than likely send them to Long Island. In the past, Keystone (now in another league) was sent to the Mid-Atlantic.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: AlleyCat on April 20, 2009, 01:04:51 PM
Thanks for the insight. I was thinking along those lines, but wanted to get your take.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: Big Louie on April 20, 2009, 01:10:17 PM
John good thoughts, I still think Fredonia and Brockport have about as good of chances as Cortland does for at-large considerations, and both definately have better than Rochester IMO. Rochester has 10 region loses as of now and 2 more conference tournament loses would send them to 12 and thats if they win out during the rest of the regular season.

Fredonia has just 5 region loses and Brockport 7 while i believe Cortland is at like 6.

RPI should be a lock
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: John McGraw on April 20, 2009, 01:26:57 PM
Brockport 14-7 (.667)
Fredonia  11-6 (.647)

I don't see the SUNYAC getting two teams in. It hasn't happened since 2004 (Cortland/Brockport) and before that I believe it was 1996 (Cortland/Oswego).

There's too many good teams on the national level to allow the SUNYAC to get two teams into the NCAA tournament, especially if Cortland wins the SUNYAC tournament.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: Big Louie on April 20, 2009, 05:26:45 PM
John I can't argue that the SUNYAC will get two teams. But we need to stop considering Rochester.  The only way two liberty league teams go is if RPI doesnt win the conference tourney. Rochester played themselves out of contention the last two weekends.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BaseB13 on April 20, 2009, 08:13:18 PM
Boomer why has Veenema not been pitching the past two weeks?  Is he hurt?  Also, I'd say part of the reason Rochester's average dropped could have been from playing Union three weeks ago and then having to go play RPI and Clarskon.  The four game conference games can really cause a sway in team statistics.  Playing the weaker teams in the conference will give you an artificial boost and it will eventually even out after playing the tougher teams.  I'm sure UR's batting average will improve after four games versus Vassar.

Curious to see how the final 2 spots in the conference tournament shake out.  Last year it was ridiculously close.  I also would not say the tournament championship is going to simply come down to RPI or Rochester.  We've seen multiple times in the past few years that the #1 seed does not always win.  I think the conference tournament will be very interesting to watch.  That being said RPI does look pretty formidable.  I think Clarkson and Skidmore will finish out the top 4 spots in the conference and both will be difficult match ups for RPI and Rochester in the first games of the tournament.  That being said SLU still has a shot at making it in.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on April 20, 2009, 11:15:22 PM
Quote from: Double Play Dave on April 20, 2009, 05:26:45 PM
John I can't argue that the SUNYAC will get two teams. But we need to stop considering Rochester.  The only way two liberty league teams go is if RPI doesnt win the conference tourney. Rochester played themselves out of contention the last two weekends.
Quote from: BaseB13 on April 20, 2009, 08:13:18 PM
Boomer why has Veenema not been pitching the past two weeks?  Is he hurt?  Also, I'd say part of the reason Rochester's average dropped could have been from playing Union three weeks ago and then having to go play RPI and Clarskon.  The four game conference games can really cause a sway in team statistics.  Playing the weaker teams in the conference will give you an artificial boost and it will eventually even out after playing the tougher teams.  I'm sure UR's batting average will improve after four games versus Vassar.

Curious to see how the final 2 spots in the conference tournament shake out.  Last year it was ridiculously close.  I also would not say the tournament championship is going to simply come down to RPI or Rochester.  We've seen multiple times in the past few years that the #1 seed does not always win.  I think the conference tournament will be very interesting to watch.  That being said RPI does look pretty formidable.  I think Clarkson and Skidmore will finish out the top 4 spots in the conference and both will be difficult match ups for RPI and Rochester in the first games of the tournament.  That being said SLU still has a shot at making it in.

Double Play Dave.....

I hope your wrong about being out of contention.  I can't figure out why the bats went cold.  Just like the one game against Union, its not like they couldn't or didn't put the ball into play, they just kept hitting it to someone.  Credit goes to the pitchers in the Union and two Clarkson Games.


BaseB13....

I really don't know why he hasn't pitched.  I did here he wasn't feeling well before his start against RPI.  I know he is supposed to start against Ithaca tomorrow.  That's all I know.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: John McGraw on April 20, 2009, 11:26:34 PM
Quote from: BoomerIL on April 20, 2009, 11:15:22 PM

I really don't know why he hasn't pitched.  I did here he wasn't feeling well before his start against RPI.  I know he is supposed to start against Ithaca tomorrow.  That's all I know.

Rain looking possible for tomorrow across the state. Hopefully this game is still played.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: John McGraw on April 21, 2009, 07:18:15 PM
Ithaca vs. Rochester rescheduled for Thursday at 4pm.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: John McGraw on April 23, 2009, 07:49:57 PM
Ithaca 15 Rochester 9

Ithaca scores seven runs in the eighth to erase a 9-7 Rochester lead.

Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on April 23, 2009, 09:56:22 PM
I really feel for the team.  Tough loss again, especially when they get out ahead on their number 1 pitcher.  I think they have only one chance left now, win the Liberty League. 
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: John McGraw on April 24, 2009, 01:51:10 AM
Quote from: BoomerIL on April 23, 2009, 09:56:22 PM
I really feel for the team.  Tough loss again, especially when they get out ahead on their number 1 pitcher.  I think they have only one chance left now, win the Liberty League. 

Pretty much.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: Bob Maxwell on April 24, 2009, 11:02:43 AM
While I am always hopeful that the conferences in NY (especially the SUNYAC because I am a SUNYAC fan) will get two teams in.  I just don't see it happening this year... EVEN if the favorite gets upset in the tournament.  There isn't a team in the region that is ranked high enough and/or has strong enough numbers nationally to be there.  Disappointing as it is... I just don't see it happening.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: John McGraw on April 24, 2009, 11:21:05 AM
Any at-large team has to become a big Millsaps fan this weekend, especially after Millsaps' loss to centre.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on April 25, 2009, 04:47:45 PM
Game 1

Rochester  16
Vassar  2

Game 2

Rochester  7
Vassar  0  Bottom 4
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: John McGraw on April 25, 2009, 05:31:05 PM
Quote from: John McGraw on April 24, 2009, 11:21:05 AM
Any at-large team has to become a big Millsaps fan this weekend, especially after Millsaps' loss to centre.

Millsaps has been knocked out of its' conference tournament. Not good news for any prospective Pool c teams nationally.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: AlleyCat on April 26, 2009, 07:57:41 PM
RPI wins at Old Westbury 10-2
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: RSSmith on April 26, 2009, 08:21:30 PM
Quote from: John McGraw on April 25, 2009, 05:31:05 PM
Quote from: John McGraw on April 24, 2009, 11:21:05 AM
Any at-large team has to become a big Millsaps fan this weekend, especially after Millsaps' loss to centre.

Millsaps has been knocked out of its' conference tournament. Not good news for any prospective Pool c teams nationally.

Ditto for Wheaton (MA) and WPI.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: AlleyCat on April 27, 2009, 08:31:46 AM
The playoff spots are still up for grabs besides Rochester and RPI. Rochester had a great weekend and RPI swept a split doubleheader from 2 down state teams Old Westbury and St Joe's LI. Clarkson and St Lawrence is going to be a battle for a playoff spot and Skidmore plays RPI.

Looks like the Tourney will be at RPI

3 teams 2 spots on the final weekend
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BaseB13 on April 27, 2009, 12:59:44 PM
Anyone know the scenarios for the teams?  I see Clarkson has 4 games to play but that will not total 24 games.. So it comes down to winning percentage against each opponent correct and then averaged?  Not the actual winning percentage.  Im assuming Clarkson is not making those games up? It looks like if SLU or Clarkson sweeps the other then Skidmore is in.  If some splits occur then it gets confusing. Clarkson and Skidmore obviously have their own destiny in their hands...
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: AlleyCat on April 27, 2009, 01:30:16 PM
From what it looks like by the conference standings they are only going by winning % this year and not against each team like in the past.  RPI and Rochester are already in and depending on this weekend any of those other 3 teams can get in based on what happens.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: AlleyCat on April 30, 2009, 07:37:51 AM
Rochester(29-11) beats St John Fisher(17-16) 5-4 and RPI(28-8) beats Williams(21-9) 5-3. Two more good wins for the Liberty League leaders.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: nyy2344nyy on May 03, 2009, 05:24:24 PM
Rochester beats St. John Fisher on Friday night to set the single season UR record for wins with a 30 - 11 record. 

Liberty League Tournament playoff spots # 3 and # 4 go down to the last day of the season for Skidmore, Clarkson, and St. Lawrence.  Just doesn't get any better than that!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BaseB13 on May 03, 2009, 09:19:48 PM
So looks like RPI vs. Skidmore and Rochester vs. Clarkson to start the tournament off.. Anyone know how Rochester was able to play 41 games in the regular season?  This maybe because part of their schedule is the UAAs?
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: nyy2344nyy on May 03, 2009, 11:46:21 PM
Quote from: BaseB13 on May 03, 2009, 09:19:48 PM
So looks like RPI vs. Skidmore and Rochester vs. Clarkson to start the tournament off.. Anyone know how Rochester was able to play 41 games in the regular season?  This maybe because part of their schedule is the UAAs?

This is how I understand it to be:

The UAA tournament - 6 games - as an in season tournament, does not count in to the total games played from an NCAA perspective, so 41 - 6 = 35, saving 5 games for the LL tournament, which is the most a team could possibly play, if coming out of the losers bracket to win the first game on Sunday and play again for the championship, for a grand total of 40.

Surprisingly, UR was able to get all of their games in despite the upstate NY weather.  Some were rescheduled, but all were played!

Can anyone confirm this to be true?

Thanks!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: John McGraw on May 04, 2009, 10:18:31 AM
Quote from: BaseB13 on May 03, 2009, 09:19:48 PM
So looks like RPI vs. Skidmore and Rochester vs. Clarkson to start the tournament off.. Anyone know how Rochester was able to play 41 games in the regular season?  This maybe because part of their schedule is the UAAs?

I wouldn't be surprised to see an upset in the first round this weekend which should make for an interesting tournament in Troy. While RPI did take three of four from Skidmore, the Engineers dropped the opening game of the series, 9-1. And Clarkson played Rochester extremely tough earlier this year and the two teams split the season series.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on May 04, 2009, 11:43:27 AM
It will be an interesting tournament.  UR played great against RPI despite the 1 and 3 record.  That record could have gone the other way.  Yes, Clarkson is a very good team.  Will they be the spoiler for UR, and will Skidmore spoil RPI's Liberty League title chances.  I do think that RPI will get an invite to the regional tournamentanyway if they lose.

But I'm confused as to why RPI plays Skidmore twice on Friday, a 7 and 9 inning game, or is this a typo??
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BaseB13 on May 04, 2009, 01:12:31 PM
Have to agree with John.  Obviously RPI is the favorite.  They've had an impressive season.  The UR Clarkson game should be a dogfight.  Looks like Veenema is back for UR and is throwing well though.  Wonder who will start game 1 for each team?  Skidmore/RPI should be close as well.  If Reilly throws for Skidmore I think it will be a battle.  He beat them Friday and beat them in the opener of the LL tournament a couple years ago.  The interesting thing for the Skid/RPI game is they just played four so there shouldn't be many surprises.  Both teams should know what to expect pitching wise...
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: John McGraw on May 04, 2009, 02:20:18 PM
Quote from: BoomerIL on May 04, 2009, 11:43:27 AM
But I'm confused as to why RPI plays Skidmore twice on Friday, a 7 and 9 inning game, or is this a typo??

I would assume so.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: nyy2344nyy on May 04, 2009, 09:36:07 PM
Does anyone know why the tournament was 3 games on Friday last year @ Rochester and 3 games on Saturday this year @ RPI?  Is it up to the host team?  Are there any advantages to which day has 3 games?  I think that last year RPI won 2 on Friday, had Saturday off and then beat St. Lawrence in the first game on Sunday.  I guess that with the 3 games on Saturday nobody will have an off day!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: John McGraw on May 04, 2009, 10:50:23 PM
Quote from: nyy2344nyy on May 04, 2009, 09:36:07 PM
Does anyone know why the tournament was 3 games on Friday last year @ Rochester and 3 games on Saturday this year @ RPI?  Is it up to the host team?  Are there any advantages to which day has 3 games?  I think that last year RPI won 2 on Friday, had Saturday off and then beat St. Lawrence in the first game on Sunday.  I guess that with the 3 games on Saturday nobody will have an off day!

You answered your own question. No one will have an off day. It's completely unfair to have team A play two games on a Friday (in this case, RPI last year), get Saturday off and then just need to win once on Sunday to go the regional playoffs. This way, everyone's playing on the first two days of the tournament and no one will have that day off advantage. 
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BaseB13 on May 06, 2009, 10:46:07 PM
The three day format on friday was designed for weather issues.  If the tournament got rained out after Friday there would atleast be a team with two wins and they could easily grant a tournament champion rather than simply giving it to the highest seed with one win.  The SUNYAC has bounced back from this format as well.  Not sure why they switched back to the two games on friday this year.  I see benefits to both sides.  Frankly I think the three games on Friday is not a bad idea.  Declaring a conference winner by default due to weather is never a good thing and since the LL tournament is the last possible weekend there is no room for bad weather.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: AlleyCat on May 07, 2009, 09:47:09 AM
If you're going to play 3 the first day you should be sending someone home, not having a team that just won a game have to come back and play 30 minutes after winning. Not fair to the winners. I'm glad both the SUNYAC and LL went to this schedule that everyone else has. If weather plays a part then the regular season actually meant something. Why is that a bad thing? I think these tournaments in NY hurt more teams than benefit. Without the tourney the last 2 years the LL would have gotten 2 teams. Just like this year, without a tourney both Rochester and RPI should and in my estimation would get bids. With the tourney the winner goes and who knows if anyone else.  The SUNYAC could have gotten 2 teams a couple of years also if the tournament wasn't held.

I think RPI has a chance at a Pool C because of their 29-8 in region record but I'm not sure about Rochester even though they deserve one.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BaseB13 on May 07, 2009, 10:45:01 AM
The reason it does not good to not send anyone home on Friday is because you still have two teams that are 1 - 1.  Then it simply goes to the higher seed.  By having a team be 2 - 0 after day 1, if the weekend rained out, they could still declare someone a winner without simply going by seed.  Not saying I agree with it but I believe that's the reasoning.  Having the LL tournament, or any tournament for that matter makes complete sense.  That's how the national champion is determined.  Tournament play. Without the tournament many of the teams have nothing to play for throughout half the season.  Makes things much more exciting as well.  If a team can't get the job done in a short tournament like the LL I don't see much justification for them to be in an 8 team regional or world series. 
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: AlleyCat on May 07, 2009, 11:05:43 AM
I don't think that getting a team to 2-0 is the most important thing. I think if the tournament doesn't go to completion then the highest remaining seed should go. The regular season has to mean something if the whole tournament cannot be played. So if #3 seed is 2-0 and the #1 seed is 2-1 and the rest of the tournament is rained out and the #1 never played #3 then why does the #3 team that went 14-10 during the year deserve to go over the #1 seed that went 22-2 during the regular season. The # 3 seed didn't win the tourney, they just got to 2-0. 2-0 doesn't mean you have won the tournament, does it?

After day one you'll have two 1-0 teams and everyone will be able to get some rest after a tough game 1. If game 3 were the losers then after day 1 you would have 3 teams with a win and one team going home. Why penalize the winning team that plays the second game on day 1.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BaseB13 on May 07, 2009, 10:49:27 PM
I don't necessarily disagree Alley.. Just explaining the reasoning.  I guess having a lower seed at 2 - 0 moving on then shows the first couple games of the tournament actually mattered.. I suppose it wouldn't be as big of an issue if the tournament wasn't on the last possible weekend but the 4 game per opponent conference schedule seems to make that necessary.  Lets hope none of this is an issue this weekend!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: John McGraw on May 08, 2009, 12:18:26 AM
Quote from: BaseB13 on May 07, 2009, 10:49:27 PM
I don't necessarily disagree Alley.. Just explaining the reasoning.  I guess having a lower seed at 2 - 0 moving on then shows the first couple games of the tournament actually mattered.. I suppose it wouldn't be as big of an issue if the tournament wasn't on the last possible weekend but the 4 game per opponent conference schedule seems to make that necessary.  Lets hope none of this is an issue this weekend!

It might be. Rain is in the forecast for the next two days. If I remember correctly, this is a curfew for Sunday games as well - ask Clarkson about that one.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: John McGraw on May 08, 2009, 04:04:58 PM
Clarkson 6 Rochester 0

"Good night Gracie."
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: John McGraw on May 08, 2009, 04:11:53 PM
Skidmore 6 RPI 1, Top 2

RPI allows six unearned runs in the bottom of the first inning on three errors.

There's live stats and video from RPIathletics.com
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: RSSmith on May 08, 2009, 06:11:17 PM
Middle of the 8th, RPI 7-Skidmore 8.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: John McGraw on May 08, 2009, 06:34:32 PM
8-7 Skidmore
FINAL

RPI vs. Rochester in the Losers Bracket
Skidmore vs. Clarkson in the Winners Bracket

I'm sure we thought that RPI and Rochester would play in the tournament at some point but I doubt anyone but Clarkson and Skidmore would have thought the game would be the first losers' bracket elimination game.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: AlleyCat on May 08, 2009, 08:28:16 PM
From the looks of the boxscore RPI forgot to show up. 6 unearned runs in the 1st, ouch. For people on the bubble, they better hope the RPI can come back in the tourney.  RPI is looking good for the Pool C in NY but were probably looking for the Pool A bid. Rochester needs to to sweep to get in now.



Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: d3baseballnut on May 08, 2009, 11:25:45 PM
Quote from: AlleyCat on May 08, 2009, 08:28:16 PM
From the looks of the boxscore RPI forgot to show up. 6 unearned runs in the 1st, ouch. For people on the bubble, they better hope the RPI can come back in the tourney.  RPI is looking good for the Pool C in NY but were probably looking for the Pool A bid. Rochester needs to to sweep to get in now.





RPI is in....they were always in....never a doubt....
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BaseB13 on May 09, 2009, 12:08:43 AM
Quote from: John McGraw on May 08, 2009, 06:34:32 PM

I'm sure we thought that RPI and Rochester would play in the tournament at some point but I doubt anyone but Clarkson and Skidmore would have thought the game would be the first losers' bracket elimination game.

I am not surprised one bit as I alluded to this earlier.  Rochester and Clarkson was a coin flip the whole time.  UR has never fared well in the tournament and they split with Clarskon during the year.  RPI had lost to Reilly a week ago and he's beaten them in past LL match ups.  This was maybe a slightly bigger surprise than the Clarkson victory but not really.  Maybe some of the innings caught up to Mondo because it doesn't look like he threw well regardless of some of the errors.  Still a long way to go.  Obviously Clarkson and Skidmore have a leg up right now.  If any team can come back from a round 1 loss it's RPI.  They have the deepest pitching and hitting but it will be an uphill battle considering the weather could shorten this tournament up.  Winning early counts big when the rain gets involved.  Congrats to the low seeds for making this tournament interesting.  If RPI doesn't win the LL tournament I don't see how Rochester has a shot even if they win 2 games.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: John McGraw on May 09, 2009, 12:26:50 PM
RPI 8 Rochester 6
FINAL - Rochester is eliminated. That should end their Pool C chances.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on May 09, 2009, 09:49:27 PM
John.....

You know John, for some reason I really feel that you like seeing Rochester lose/fail???  Being the Rochester "homer" that I am, you have really expressed your opinions to the negative reagarding their play.  Not many positive words coming from you, only patronizing vocabulary.  I'm really sorry that they beat you beloved Cortland this year, NOT, but UR did deserve top win that game, and many others.  As I have always said about the outcome of a game, win or lose, "that's baseball!"

Sure Rochester gave away some games this season, but that doesn't make them a poor team, or a losing team, or inconsitent team, it just shows that they are a baseball team.  How did Cortland play this year,and do they deserve their ranking???  I have nothing against them or their coach, who I hear is a gentlemen, but what really bothers me is the fact that so many people, you John, who think they can and may well do, is by sway the opinion of others in a selection process for post season play.

I might be off base here, but I'm not the only one that questions your motivations.  What's in it for you, a vote?  Do you get to vote for the teams for post season, or am I giving you to much credit?  You did announce Cortland games for awhile didn't you?  Is it something you have the UR coach.  You just seem to involved in the failings, or future of Rochester baseball.  You have been very opinionated about Rochester, but very silent about Cortlands play this year.  What is it John, please explain, because I'm upset our kids didn't do better in the Liberty League, but for you t make comments like " good night Gracie" and "that should end their Pool C chances" is un-called for!!  Who the hell do you think you are John?  How about trying to be silent?  What do you really know about Rochester, their players, and coaches.  Do you know anything about their character, who they really are??  They don't need your "bush" comments.  One thing I do know is that they are all better than you and would never comment about your failures!!! 
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: airball55 on May 09, 2009, 10:12:03 PM
I like John Mcgraw's takes and really don't get a negative tone from it boomer man.  First time poster here but frequent reader.  He just really tells the truth.  Feel bad for Coach Reina, quality guy but boy his teams just don't post at all in the LL tournament.  Hard not to root for Clarkson a bit here, who throughout the early mid part of this decade continuously knocked on the door and just couldn't finish off the tourny.  And how about Skidmore... the epitome of "scrappy".  Not real talented, no real power arms but just play solid ball and make you beat them.  I am pulling for UR for an atlarge but don't see it going two and out and with the strength of the New England region.  And as for Cortland, here is for them getting knocked out, saw them play and got sick of watching the HC whine all game long.  Man if things don't go his way it is always the men in blue.  They still have the best team though and if they make it would like to see the region well represented. 
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: John McGraw on May 09, 2009, 11:38:45 PM
Quote from: BoomerIL on May 09, 2009, 09:49:27 PM
John.....

You know John, for some reason I really feel that you like seeing Rochester lose/fail???  Being the Rochester "homer" that I am, you have really expressed your opinions to the negative reagarding their play.  Not many positive words coming from you, only patronizing vocabulary.  I'm really sorry that they beat you beloved Cortland this year, NOT, but UR did deserve top win that game, and many others.  As I have always said about the outcome of a game, win or lose, "that's baseball!"

Sure Rochester gave away some games this season, but that doesn't make them a poor team, or a losing team, or inconsitent team, it just shows that they are a baseball team.  How did Cortland play this year,and do they deserve their ranking???  I have nothing against them or their coach, who I hear is a gentlemen, but what really bothers me is the fact that so many people, you John, who think they can and may well do, is by sway the opinion of others in a selection process for post season play.

I might be off base here, but I'm not the only one that questions your motivations.  What's in it for you, a vote?  Do you get to vote for the teams for post season, or am I giving you to much credit?  You did announce Cortland games for awhile didn't you?  Is it something you have the UR coach.  You just seem to involved in the failings, or future of Rochester baseball.  You have been very opinionated about Rochester, but very silent about Cortlands play this year.  What is it John, please explain, because I'm upset our kids didn't do better in the Liberty League, but for you t make comments like " good night Gracie" and "that should end their Pool C chances" is un-called for!!  Who the hell do you think you are John?  How about trying to be silent?  What do you really know about Rochester, their players, and coaches.  Do you know anything about their character, who they really are??  They don't need your "bush" comments.  One thing I do know is that they are all better than you and would never comment about your failures!!! 


I'm just stating the facts. Rochester's defeat today at the hands of RPI likely ends their Pool C hopes. You've asked me before and I've said that Rochester is a good team this year so no, I haven't been bad-mouthing them all year - please go back and read the posts. Just because I pick against Rochester doesn't mean I have anything against them, it's my choice. Come regionals time, I'll likely be picking against Ithaca and/or Cortland - not because I hate them, but because I think another team will win on Long Island.

Look, I understand that you're upset that Rochester went 0-2 in the Liberty League tournament, but complaining about someone's picks on a message board isn't going to do much of anything at this point in the season.

Rochester had a very good season and I think that outside of the big three (Ithaca, RPI, Cortland), the Jackets were the best team in the region. That being said, had a few games that ended up being losses went in the win column, it's a different story. For example, the Ithaca and Brockport non-conference games, or the RPI game at home. Even this morning's game against RPI, Rochester had the lead in the game and just couldn't hold it. You turn any one of those around, and it's a different season.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on May 10, 2009, 08:24:17 AM
Quote from: John McGraw on May 09, 2009, 11:38:45 PM
Quote from: BoomerIL on May 09, 2009, 09:49:27 PM
John.....

You know John, for some reason I really feel that you like seeing Rochester lose/fail???  Being the Rochester "homer" that I am, you have really expressed your opinions to the negative reagarding their play.  Not many positive words coming from you, only patronizing vocabulary.  I'm really sorry that they beat you beloved Cortland this year, NOT, but UR did deserve top win that game, and many others.  As I have always said about the outcome of a game, win or lose, "that's baseball!"

Sure Rochester gave away some games this season, but that doesn't make them a poor team, or a losing team, or inconsitent team, it just shows that they are a baseball team.  How did Cortland play this year,and do they deserve their ranking???  I have nothing against them or their coach, who I hear is a gentlemen, but what really bothers me is the fact that so many people, you John, who think they can and may well do, is by sway the opinion of others in a selection process for post season play.

I might be off base here, but I'm not the only one that questions your motivations.  What's in it for you, a vote?  Do you get to vote for the teams for post season, or am I giving you to much credit?  You did announce Cortland games for awhile didn't you?  Is it something you have the UR coach.  You just seem to involved in the failings, or future of Rochester baseball.  You have been very opinionated about Rochester, but very silent about Cortlands play this year.  What is it John, please explain, because I'm upset our kids didn't do better in the Liberty League, but for you t make comments like " good night Gracie" and "that should end their Pool C chances" is un-called for!!  Who the hell do you think you are John?  How about trying to be silent?  What do you really know about Rochester, their players, and coaches.  Do you know anything about their character, who they really are??  They don't need your "bush" comments.  One thing I do know is that they are all better than you and would never comment about your failures!!! 


I'm just stating the facts. Rochester's defeat today at the hands of RPI likely ends their Pool C hopes. You've asked me before and I've said that Rochester is a good team this year so no, I haven't been bad-mouthing them all year - please go back and read the posts. Just because I pick against Rochester doesn't mean I have anything against them, it's my choice. Come regionals time, I'll likely be picking against Ithaca and/or Cortland - not because I hate them, but because I think another team will win on Long Island.

Look, I understand that you're upset that Rochester went 0-2 in the Liberty League tournament, but complaining about someone's picks on a message board isn't going to do much of anything at this point in the season.

Rochester had a very good season and I think that outside of the big three (Ithaca, RPI, Cortland), the Jackets were the best team in the region. That being said, had a few games that ended up being losses went in the win column, it's a different story. For example, the Ithaca and Brockport non-conference games, or the RPI game at home. Even this morning's game against RPI, Rochester had the lead in the game and just couldn't hold it. You turn any one of those around, and it's a different season.
Quote from: airball55 on May 09, 2009, 10:12:03 PM
I like John Mcgraw's takes and really don't get a negative tone from it boomer man.  First time poster here but frequent reader.  He just really tells the truth.  Feel bad for Coach Reina, quality guy but boy his teams just don't post at all in the LL tournament.  Hard not to root for Clarkson a bit here, who throughout the early mid part of this decade continuously knocked on the door and just couldn't finish off the tourny.  And how about Skidmore... the epitome of "scrappy".  Not real talented, no real power arms but just play solid ball and make you beat them.  I am pulling for UR for an atlarge but don't see it going two and out and with the strength of the New England region.  And as for Cortland, here is for them getting knocked out, saw them play and got sick of watching the HC whine all game long.  Man if things don't go his way it is always the men in blue.  They still have the best team though and if they make it would like to see the region well represented. 


Last night I vented, and I don't have a problem with any kind of analysis, but the extra comments aren't necessary.  I can handle someone stating facts, just like what was mentioned in another post when Rochester was left on the table last year by the voters.  30 wins, 10 losses, in-region wins, etc. I understand all of that.  Those un-written benchmarks for acceptance into the upper levels of DIII baseball.  Rochester had goals this year of winning the UAA in Florida, getting 30+ wins, winning the LL, and going to the regional, and maybe beyond.  You and some others might think that's pie-in-the-sky thinking.  They don't and I don't!  You're absolutely right, they didn't beat Ithaca, or Brockport, or RPI, and was eliminated from the LL tournament.  Some of those wins may have made it easier for the voters to let them in as a Pool C if they didn't win the LL.

John, this is a very good team, and after listening to how Cortland was down this year and is coming back, ranked pretty high, how RPI strung wins together, and how Ithaca keep silent, but managed to put it together, I still believe Rochester should get a bid.  They may have given up leads that lead to losses, but they can play with the best-of-the-best.

As for Skidmore or Clarkson, they have been spoilers, even for RPI, but those comments go un-spoken.  I guess its o.k. because they're RPI.  I'm not looking for a hand-out when it comes to a bid.  Having other top teams lose their conference tournaments doesn't help, since they're overall records are a bit better.  Rochester's bid chances are in the hands of others today.

Like I said before, I can handle fair analysis, but that analysis needs to be spread out evenly amongst all the teams in this region.  I don't see that happening from everyone, especially you.  It really appears at times that you have more negative things to say about Rochester than anyone else.  It sounds like I'm whinning, crying, and maybe I am a little, but I think it's time for the Rochester and the Liberty League teams, besides RPI, to get more respect.  It's not about the SUNYAC anymore.     
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: airball55 on May 10, 2009, 11:20:32 AM
wow, this is a fan board.  I don't think John Mcgraw is negative at all.  When you are discussing at large bids out of the NY region, you have to get very critical.  This is traditionally the weakest regions or one of the bottom two in the country.  I have lobbied for Rochester being a LL guy but just can't anymore in light of their postseason records.  They loaded up on Cobleskill, Keuka, RIT, a slightly above average fisher team in non league (in region).  Couple that with a weak LL and I just don't like their chances for that at large.  I hope they do get in even over RPI (if they lose today) but that won't happen due to league record, head to head, etc.  Nice win against Cortland (who has loses against Plattsburgh, Fredonia, Brockport, Ithaca, Farmingdale, etc.) so that just does not have the strength in used to.  So being unbiased (actually not, LL fan here) I just don't think the Jackets get in even with an RPI comeback.  The best thing they have is an awful region where no one else is remotely close to an at large as well.  Maybe the committee will take geography into account.  To bad they couldn't play in the bogus ECAC tournament and try and back door a bid a la St. John Fisher (two years ago I think).  That was a joke!!!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BaseB13 on May 10, 2009, 11:29:25 AM
I think everyone weights the Pool C opportunitys for LL teams a bit to heavily.  When 24 of 40 games are in conference it's going to make it difficult to really have a very strong strength of schedule unless your conference is up big time that year.  I will say there are four 20 game winners in the LL but 8 of them do come against Vassar and Union.  Rochester did well against some very good UAA teams but an at large bid for a team that hasn't been on the national stage like an Ithaca, Cortland, or RPI is asking a lot.  No knock to UR.  I'd say this about every LL team except for maybe RPI.  We'll find out soon though.

Looks like RPI eeked out an win against Skidmore.  I must say despite the regular season record difference it appears the LL is pretty even this year.  Rochester knocked around RPI but couldn't hold a lead and Skidmore has completely battered RPI's pitching.  I think a few weeks ago people thought RPI may be heads above the rest of the league.  I'm not so sure now.  I'll be shocked if Clarkson doesn't win this thing.  I can't imagine RPI has much pitching left.  However, if any team is capable of pulling out two wins with pure slugging I suppose its RPI. 
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: John McGraw on May 10, 2009, 12:54:41 PM
Clarkson 7 RPI 3, Top 4

If this one runs long, the winner-take-all game may run up against the curfew.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: scuba16 on May 10, 2009, 04:18:32 PM
God I hope RPI loses :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: airball55 on May 10, 2009, 06:37:13 PM
Scuba man you got your wish.  Clarkson wins game two after losing the lead in game one on the day.  They take the final by a score of 13-6.  RPI has some huge concerns heading into the tourny.  Their defense was atrocious and although it is tough to play five games on the same weekend, the pitching has also got to be a concern.  They ran Mondo out there again today on two days rest.  Drymiller (spelling) and Opperman struggled.  Good for Clarkson though who has knocked on the door often and gets a crack at a regional.  With this, Rochester's season is probably over. 
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: John McGraw on May 10, 2009, 06:48:17 PM
Good for Clarkson. If I remember rightly, they got the shaft several years back in the Liberty League tournament when they should have won it.

Austin Pitkin will give someone a run for their money in the opening game of the regionals.

Now jeez, did you ever think there'd be a day when the Clarkson baseball team went to the NCAA tournament while the hockey team didn't make it out of the first round of the conference tournament?
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: airball55 on May 10, 2009, 06:51:26 PM
God I hope the hockey hounds at Clarkson don't read this!!!  Maybe the ice melted.  Class program up there and good luck to them in the regionals.  RPI has to sit and wait but looks solid for an at large.  Cortland is looking better and better with each passing tournament. 
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: StagnantFLY on May 10, 2009, 07:51:56 PM
Why doesnt RPI ever play teams from the SUNYAC conference? I believe the best conference in NY is the SUNYAC. I see they played Cortland and lost pretty badly but why havent they played the likes of Brockport or Oneonta? I believe those teams are just as good as RPI. Maybe even better than RPI. The Liberty League has a good top few teams but a very weak bottom of the league. How bout the SUNYAC and LL play eachother atleast 1 time a year therefore we can better determine who is better and it will definately help with NCAA at large bids. Any thoughts???
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: AlleyCat on May 10, 2009, 09:19:27 PM
Stag,
You are so off base with your comment about the SUNYAC being the best conference. Maybe a couple of years ago but no this year. The LL was very good this year if you actually saw any games. People speak about Plattsburgh being tough. Skidmore won 2 of 3 against them. Somebody needs to wake up and see that the LL is a pretty stronmg conference 1 through 4.

If RPI doesn't get a bid with a 34-11 record (Most wins in the region and most wins in region 32) the NY committee should all resign and the national committee should be let go.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: airball55 on May 10, 2009, 10:03:02 PM
Ah the ole' sunyac versus the world argument.  I have experience in both leagues, played in the Yac, coach in the LL and I do believe year by year the Sunyac is a bit more talented.  The statement that they don't play each other is false though.  Cortland played Clarkson, RPI and Rochester this year.  That's just the beginning.  All teams in Ny cross over at some point.  Cortland and RPI are usually the powerhouses.  Rochester, St Lawrence, Clarkson and Skidmore are comparable to Brockport, Oneonta, Plattsburgh and now Fredonia.  St. Lawrence pounded Fredonia but lost to Oswego, Clarkson split with Brockport was swept by Cortland but Rochester beat Cortland yada yada yada.  Just does not make sense to get to deep in this but year in year out, the Yac is a bit ahead of the LL.  Vassar and Union just stink, the LL teams need to get 7 of 8 in those series.  Plattsburgh and Skidmore are similar, scrappy teams that overacheive.  Until NY forms one whole league and everyone plays each other in a 3 or four game series (which will never happen obviously) it is impossible to make my league is way better than your league claims.  Year in year out, I will take Cortland, Brockport, Oneonta, Plattsburgh and Fredonia over RPI, Rochester, Clarkson, St. Lawrence and Skidmore though.  Thoughts??
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: StagnantFLY on May 10, 2009, 11:21:56 PM
Alley,
lets be honest....The SUNYAC is a better conference...better players...better overall teams. RPI is good but they arent Cortland. You cant tell me you like RPI over Oneonta this year either....in a 3 game series like eevryone wants....Filak, Juedes and Meservey are tough to beat. Plattsburgh was better in years past then they were this year.
I agree Airball, I would take those teams over the LL teams year in year out. Im not dissing the LL, all i ask is that these leagues play eachother....maybe like a BIG TEN ACC Challenge like in college basketball. 3 game series vs the other league. How hard is that to schedule.?
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: pudge27 on May 11, 2009, 08:26:38 AM
Seems as though Boomer is a little sensitive about UR this year and rightfully so.  There are 2 points that you should keep in mind though. 

-UR was sitting pretty mid season and just didn't close.  You can't give the selection committee a reason to NOT take you.  Tucking your tail in a conference tournament when you're on the bubble is that reason.

-Part of your reasoning seems to be that everyone else has flaws and that we're picking on Roch.  You referenced Cortland a few times.  They may be down a bit this year, but the bottom line is that the SUNYAC's came to town and Cortland buried people---didn't give someone a reason to not take them.  U of R did. 

As I read this, I guess those may be the same reason, but boy is it true.  And if we all knew how much pull John had on the selection committee, we probably all would be nicer to him on the boards. 
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: AlleyCat on May 11, 2009, 10:20:25 AM
Stag,
Are you kidding me? Oneonta over RPI? Oneonta plays a bunch of walkovers to go 17-1 and ends up 26-12 when they play in NY. Give me a break. Cortland is legit and Brockport is OK. Any division 3 team with a .500 record cannot be considered good, period.

Cortalnd played RPI the 2nd game of the season. If you judge that game that highly then you don't understand baseball or the fact that the lineup was even set for either team at that point.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: dom on May 11, 2009, 10:33:03 AM
Lot of bashing of Union & Vasser.  For the record, over the past 3 years, Union went 5-6 against SUNYAC.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: dom on May 11, 2009, 11:05:08 AM
Allow me to be more precise.  For all years available on LL website:

                  W    L
Oneata       2    6
Fredonia     1    0
N.Paltz        4    1

                   7    7
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on May 11, 2009, 12:04:58 PM
Quote from: pudge27 on May 11, 2009, 08:26:38 AM
Seems as though Boomer is a little sensitive about UR this year and rightfully so.  There are 2 points that you should keep in mind though. 

-UR was sitting pretty mid season and just didn't close.  You can't give the selection committee a reason to NOT take you.  Tucking your tail in a conference tournament when you're on the bubble is that reason.

-Part of your reasoning seems to be that everyone else has flaws and that we're picking on Roch.  You referenced Cortland a few times.  They may be down a bit this year, but the bottom line is that the SUNYAC's came to town and Cortland buried people---didn't give someone a reason to not take them.  U of R did. 

As I read this, I guess those may be the same reason, but boy is it true.  And if we all knew how much pull John had on the selection committee, we probably all would be nicer to him on the boards. 

Couldn't agree with you more!!  Yes I'm a bit sensitive, and I still feel that unless Rochester wins the games they should, strenghtens their schedule, or wins the LL tournament, they will never get a Pool C spot.

John knows a heck of a lot more about baseball in New York or DIII ball for that matter than I ever hope to.  I respect him for that knowledge, and I will challenge his thinking or assessments of a team.  I'm trying to learn as I go, and have said this before.  I would like too think that he has no bias against a team, coach, or parent.  If John is that type of person, so be it.  I just got ticked-off at several of his comments.  I know he gave his evaluation of UR before with some positive feedback.  I'd love to sit with him some time, and pick his brain about the upstate New York teams.

Am I back pedaling on my comments, no I'm not trying to.  Maybe I don't realize that the Liberty League is a weaker conference.  But I've taken comments made in conversations with parents from other schools about other teams in the area or region, and tried to piece together who the real teams are.  Are they capable of beating teams outside New York?  Absolutely!!  Living in the Chicago area I've seen a number of games the past few years, and I don't see any difference in talent.  Maybe your right, they needed to close a few more games to gain access to the post-season!!!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: John McGraw on May 11, 2009, 12:31:47 PM
If I had any pull with the selection people, I'd have made New York an eight-team regional. I'm not at all thrilled with the six-team bracket that's been place at Farmingdale.

Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: airball55 on May 11, 2009, 04:07:40 PM
Lets have some fun with this LL vs. the yac.  Since the turn of the century (a nice sample size) this is how I would personally rank the NY region Sunyac and LL teams only

1. Cortland (far and away)
2. RPI (Far and away)
3. Brockport
4. Oneonta
5. Tie Clarkson and Rochester (CU early, Rochester a but more recent)
7. Plattsburgh
8. Skidmore
9. St. Lawrence
10. Oswego
11. New Paltz
12. Union
13. Vassar

Number 1 and 2 are easy.  Oneonta plays a god awful schedule early and although they are talented just pack it in late for some reason.  Too many games against Medaille and Baker (who I never heard of before this year).  Thats why Brockport jumps them, and they have a would series appearance.  Clarkson was tough all the way up to 2006 and have really only one down year.  U of R (see Oneonta) but they do play in the UAA's which is pretty strong.  Platts/Skid could be flipped, St Law. has a tourny appearance and then there is a huge drop to Oswego and New Paltz.  Then anothe monster drop to Union and Vassar.  Union has one conference tourny appearance back in 04 I think.  This is meant as no disrespect to Union, a part time coach just isn't going to get it done and Vassar is one of the toughest schools to get into.  This leads me to my next point.  The SUNYAC should be a bit better!!!  Less academic restrictions and obviously a much easier entrance policy.  Add to that the price tags of the liberty league ($42000 and up) and there you go.  The financial aid argument does not apply here, there is a reason these schools struggle in athletics, after all this isn't the NESCAC (full need!!).  Critique away
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: anonymous234 on May 11, 2009, 04:46:04 PM
First of all, a question: how does the selection process work in terms of a 6 team regional vs. an 8 team?  Why didn't New York just have an 8 team regional that could have included Rochester and/or other teams?  Seems to me like it would make sense to give more teams a chance than just six teams if 8 is a possibility.

Second, how did you compile that list airball?  Winning percentage?  Records against other teams?  NCAA appearances?  I ask because Skidmore has 2 NCAA appearances in the last 4 years, which is more than can be said for Clarkson, Rochester, and I'm assuming other teams ahead of them.  Rochester might have better records recently, but not as much success.  Also, St. Lawrence has one NCAA appearance and 3 or 4 Liberty League Finals appearances, once again better than Rochester and Clarkson.  Finally, Skidmore is 4-2 against Plattsburgh in the last 3 years, yet Plattsburgh is ranked higher when they haven't even won a SUNYAC tourney game until this year, where Skidmore and St Lawrence have 2 and 1 TITLES respectively.  I admit I don't know much about SUNYAC teams other than cortland, but I think you could say Clarkson/Rochester/Skidmore/St. Lawrence all average out depending on how you look at it (overall record, NCAA appearances, success in LL tourney) and thus should kick Plattsburgh down, giving something like:
1.  Cortland
2.  RPI
3.  Brockport/Oneonta (not too familiar with either team, but how many NCAA appearances do they have?)
4.  Skidmore/Clarkson (based on NCAA appearances, which I think is most important)
5.  St L
6.  Rochester etc. etc.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: d3baseballnut on May 11, 2009, 04:51:42 PM
The committee suposidly selects all the Pool C and B teams first, and then determines the regional formats of each based on the location of the teams selected.

That being said, I dont understand why Washington and Jefferson couldnt be in NY (closer to them than salisbury) as well as TCNJ placed in NY. Hopkins could be brought from the south into their right regional (mid atlantic), and you have an 8 team ny regional.....that is what makes most sense.

The committee may like to shift up the 8 vs. 6 team format for different regionals. New york was 8 and south was 6 last year. The committee switched them
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: dom on May 11, 2009, 08:04:15 PM
I do not begrudge anyone their opinion.  However . . .

Airball states that he is knowledgable because he is a "coach in the LL."  He then proceeds to proclaim in a public forum that "Union and Vasser just stink," and in comparing them to all teams in both conferences, their talent level is "another monster drop."

Anyone knowledgable about athletics knows that you are as good, or bad, as your record.  Curious, I looked up the W/L record.  When presented with the cold hard facts, U went 7-7 vs. SUNYAC since 03-04, most sensible people would move on. 

Not Airball.  He then takes a backhand swipe to defend his remarks despite the .500 record by attacking the legitimacy of the U program and the coach, by asserting that he is just "part-time," and Vaaser is inferiour because Vasser's academic standards are so much higher [than the other LL schools].  I think that most, if not all off the LL schools believe that they compete with Vasser in the classroom.

I am sure that Airball has some good qualities.  However, it is clear that ntelligence is not one of them.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: airball55 on May 11, 2009, 09:31:44 PM
Ah a Union player on the site.  Union had a decent squad back early in the decade when Coach Reynolds was the full time guy.  they had a nice pitcher too on the team Chris Hartnett.Nice kid too.  I believe the Angels gave him a shot.  This is a discussion board, no hate coming from me, just stating fact.  I would love to see what Union could do with a full time coaching staff and recruiting dollars.  Albany is a hot bed for high school talent.  I will take back "stink", and replace it with below average.  Union the last four years, 13-20, 8-19, 8-24, 9-25.  I am sure the Head man there is a great baseball guy, but the school doesn't really put a lot into baseball which is sad because that could be a great place with the location and opp. for two sport players.  I am long gone from coaching in the LL (former UCAA).  I apologize for the "stink" comment but the numbers speak for themselves.  Don't take it so personal man, I would love to see Union get better, and get a full schedule in.  27 games two years ago, ouch.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: John McGraw on May 11, 2009, 10:19:15 PM
In regards to Union, I think their new facility at Central Park is going to help recruiting. I don't think Union is going to turn things around right away but that beautiful new field in Schenectady won't hurt.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BaseB13 on May 12, 2009, 09:29:03 PM
The whole SUNYAC vs. LL debate is always a great one.  Now that SUNIT is not in the conference it evens things out with 7 teams each.  The SUNYAC did have 6 20 game winners although I don't know who each of those teams are playing.  With the 24 conference schedule for the LL it makes it difficult for the SUNYAC teams to schedule many quality opponents.  Which brings up a good point.  There is a reason why the LL and SUNYAC dont play a lot of games against eachother anymore.  It's because LL teams really only have room to play midweek games against other teams.  This means they have to play teams within close proximity (less than three hours).  That's why UR can play Brockport and Cortland.  Skid/RPI play Plattsburgh.  Clarkson SLU play Oswego, etc.

I'd say SUNYAC teams are probably deeper overall based on a simple numbers game.  Their academic standards overall are easier than LL's and they cost less.  Therefore their "product" is more appealing to a large amount of students.

Every year it it changes as to who is better.  The past couple years I'd say maybe the SUNYAC was better because Cortland was so dominate.  This year I'd say the LL was better.  '03 I'd say the LL was better.  '04 the SUNYAC.  '05 the LL.  '06 SUNYAC,  '07 the top 4 teams were both solid for both conferences but Cortland was so good in the regular season we can give them the nod.  '08 same could be said for also.

As for the 6 or  team regionals.  As someone mentioned it all depends on who gets the nod.  And making NY an 8 team regional would not have meant more NY teams would have been selected.  The pool C bids are made on a national level.

As for Union going 7 - 7 vs. the SUNYAC.  Big whoop how they do against the SUNYAC.  The past 5 years they have been abysmal in conference.  They had some decent squads prior to that but the program has regressed big time since 2004 or so.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: dom on May 13, 2009, 06:59:35 AM
It's not big whoop.  It's about posters who asserted that U was not even competitive in SUNYAC  or that U and Vasser were so much worse than the bottom of the SUNYAC conference that it proved SUNYAC was superior.  All one has to do is look up each team's record because they do have interleague play.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: airball55 on May 13, 2009, 09:51:38 AM
you know what else hurts the LL "weaker teams" is the four game series.   I like the four game series, matches the best four starters from each team, pitching depth becomes an issue.  It would be interesting if the Sunyac did that as well, then the Oswego's, New Paltz's etc.. would get Cortland four times on a weekend the same way Vassar gets RPI four times.   This format can help the record (see RPI, U of R) or really hurt it.  Midweek games are hard to judge interconference, especially with the pool B teams in the region who play these games like conference games.  I know we haven't spoke of the Empire 8 but the concept is similar.  Gotta save those arms for the conference weekend games.  Nothing like playing Ithaca midweek and running into their one or two on the hill when YAC or LL teams or rolling a midweek guy out.  Don't like the LL chances this weekend.... thoughts??
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on May 13, 2009, 11:48:36 AM
Quote from: airball55 on May 13, 2009, 09:51:38 AM
you know what else hurts the LL "weaker teams" is the four game series.   I like the four game series, matches the best four starters from each team, pitching depth becomes an issue.  It would be interesting if the Sunyac did that as well, then the Oswego's, New Paltz's etc.. would get Cortland four times on a weekend the same way Vassar gets RPI four times.   This format can help the record (see RPI, U of R) or really hurt it.  Midweek games are hard to judge interconference, especially with the pool B teams in the region who play these games like conference games.  I know we haven't spoke of the Empire 8 but the concept is similar.  Gotta save those arms for the conference weekend games.  Nothing like playing Ithaca midweek and running into their one or two on the hill when YAC or LL teams or rolling a midweek guy out.  Don't like the LL chances this weekend.... thoughts??

I agree with your statements.  I've felt for a long time that those mid week games and the four on the weekend really test your pitching, especially your relief guys.  It is fortunate though that Rochester schedules games against Brockport, Ithaca, and Cortland during the season.  Beating them only helps your chances and credibility of getting into post season play should you not win your tournament.  Rochester had their chances this season with those three teams and only came out on top against Cortland, a good win for UR considering they have had weather issues the last few years and didn't play them.

I also agree with a statement BaseB13 made.......I'd say SUNYAC teams are probably deeper overall based on a simple numbers game.  Their academic standards overall are easier than LL's and they cost less.  Therefore their "product" is more appealing to a large amount of students.......because these schools have had good performance records over the years, so the better players tend to want to go there.  I know this is going to sound amusing, but because of Rochester's winning success the last few years, they are and have attracted some very good talent that played this year, and have some very good recruits coming in for the 2009-2010 season.  Only time will.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: brewcrew17 on May 13, 2009, 02:00:08 PM
Hi all,
First time poster, long time reader. As a (now) former player at Vassar I would like to echo previous comments in the Sunyac/LL debate. I think the bottom of the LL is just as good as the bottom as Sunyac basically every year I've been at Vassar (and thats a lot of losses). We play New Paltz 3 times a year (2 in the spring, 1 in the fall) and the games are always competitive and about .500, and we almost always see a top-3 pitcher while we throw one of our bullpen guys or staff the game out. As the top of Sunyac, we played brockport two years ago for the first game of the year so it was hard to judge just how good they were but I believe they finished well. The two biggest difference I see are the numbers game and the acceptance rates. New Paltz cuts something like 10 to 15 guys each year and other Sunyac teams have jv teams we have only started making cuts this year. The acceptance rates at Vassar are really on a different level than any team in the LL let alone the Sunyac and comparing Vassar to Nescac schools, we have no slots so it makes it even harder to recruit.

Also talking about today's clarkson game, I have no idea why they started Bittner who I gathered to be their 4 starter when we played them. If the coach didn't want to start Pitkin because Cortland had seen him already then he should have started Goerlod who is one of the best junk ball pitchers that the LL has got.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: lewdogg11 on May 13, 2009, 06:13:32 PM
How does Clarkson beating Cortland today factor into this conversation? 
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: John McGraw on May 13, 2009, 09:01:33 PM
It doesn't. Cortland's bullpen pooped the bed (much like Ithaca did against 'Dem Spicey Boyz in football). I think the teams play nine times out of ten and Cortland takes eight or nine of them.

Good for Clarkson though. It's nice to see them continuing over their momentum from the Liberty League tournament. Shame they won't have their ace until at least Friday because of a little disagreement with an umpire at the Liberty League tournament.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BaseB13 on May 13, 2009, 09:33:30 PM
What's the situation with their ace John?  Also, I'm not so sure about Cortland winning 8 or 9 out of 10 from Clarkson this year.  I think this just shows how Cortland and the entire SUNYAC may be a little down this year.  Cortland has had some un-Cortland like losses throughout the year.  As much as Cortland's bullpen **** the bed, you have to give Clarkson credit for even getting to the bullpen.  Tone has dominated many teams for an entire game.  Must not have been the case today.  I'm assuming his pitch count got up and that's why they yanked him?
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: John McGraw on May 13, 2009, 09:52:31 PM
Quote from: BaseB13 on May 13, 2009, 09:33:30 PM
What's the situation with their ace John?  Also, I'm not so sure about Cortland winning 8 or 9 out of 10 from Clarkson this year.  I think this just shows how Cortland and the entire SUNYAC may be a little down this year.  Cortland has had some un-Cortland like losses throughout the year.  As much as Cortland's bullpen **** the bed, you have to give Clarkson credit for even getting to the bullpen.  Tone has dominated many teams for an entire game.  Must not have been the case today.  I'm assuming his pitch count got up and that's why they yanked him?

No idea, I wasn't there. He left in the seventh and he'd given up five runs so it's not like he was cruising along at that point in the afternoon. It could be a variety of reasons that he came out. I would assume that when he left, the coaching staff thought the lead would stay intact. Oops LOL.

I would not want to be Ithaca tomorrow against what I assume will be a po'd Cortland team. Ithaca hasn't won a playoff game over the Dragons since 2004.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: lewdogg11 on May 14, 2009, 01:11:40 PM
Quote from: John McGraw on May 13, 2009, 09:01:33 PM
It doesn't. Cortland's bullpen pooped the bed (much like Ithaca did against 'Dem Spicey Boyz in football). I think the teams play nine times out of ten and Cortland takes eight or nine of them.

Good for Clarkson though. It's nice to see them continuing over their momentum from the Liberty League tournament. Shame they won't have their ace until at least Friday because of a little disagreement with an umpire at the Liberty League tournament.

Bullpen or not...A win is a win in the post-season...Of course Cortland will probably just win out, but that would be expected.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: brewcrew17 on May 14, 2009, 02:59:22 PM
I like both RPI and Clarkson's chances the rest of the way. Pitkin may not be able to pitch until tomorrow for Clarkson but they still have two quality arms in Chocejcki and Goernold, both kids who are capable of going out there and shutting down a team. Clarkson's offense seems to be firing on all cylinders right now too. RPI has by far the deepest bullpen and the best bat that I've seen all year in Reardon (average, doubles and hrs). I think that its RPI's to lose but their defense has been terrible in the second half of the year, they'll need to cut down on the errors.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: anonymous234 on May 15, 2009, 05:14:31 PM
Does RPI and Clarkson both doing well in the Regional and the fact that with a couple different bounces it could be argued that Skidmore or Rochester could be in the same situation as well, and the fact that Clarkson beat big bad Cortland mean that the Liberty League is picking things up and shouldn't be looked down upon as much as a league in NY (and maybe nationally), or is it just an up year for them and a bit of luck?
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: John McGraw on May 15, 2009, 05:45:24 PM
Quote from: anonymous234 on May 15, 2009, 05:14:31 PM
Does RPI and Clarkson both doing well in the Regional and the fact that with a couple different bounces it could be argued that Skidmore or Rochester could be in the same situation as well, and the fact that Clarkson beat big bad Cortland mean that the Liberty League is picking things up and shouldn't be looked down upon as much as a league in NY (and maybe nationally), or is it just an up year for them and a bit of luck?

I'd say it's a little bit of both. Baseball is baseball after all and things don't always work out as they should. As for national respect, I don't see that coming unless someone makes noise in Wisconsin. WNEC still absolutely thumped Ithaca, the two seed, and then got caught in a tough situation with back-to-back games today.

Now, Clarkson on the other hand has gained a ton of respect for winning two games at the regionals. I bet RPI does not want to see them whatsoever.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on May 15, 2009, 07:11:39 PM
Rochester...should have, would have, could have!!!  NUTS!!!!   ;)
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: TRhit on May 15, 2009, 07:49:51 PM
Boomer

Don't beat yourself up---it is just a game
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: airball55 on May 15, 2009, 08:06:28 PM
Well said John.  I feel for Boomer man but I'm not so sure the Jackets would have done well in this regional.... lots of runs being scored.  I just like that the shipped in team (WNEC) got the boot.  Rather then critique the LL or the SUNYAC maybe we should be looking into Ithaca a bit.  Their "automatic" bid they seem to get hasn't produced much lately and with 13-14 easy wins in the Empire 5 (Utica, RIT, Fisher and Stevens) maybe they should be looked at with a bit more scrutiny.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: John McGraw on May 15, 2009, 08:41:13 PM
Quote from: airball55 on May 15, 2009, 08:06:28 PM
Well said John.  I feel for Boomer man but I'm not so sure the Jackets would have done well in this regional.... lots of runs being scored.  I just like that the shipped in team (WNEC) got the boot.  Rather then critique the LL or the SUNYAC maybe we should be looking into Ithaca a bit.  Their "automatic" bid they seem to get hasn't produced much lately and with 13-14 easy wins in the Empire 5 (Utica, RIT, Fisher and Stevens) maybe they should be looked at with a bit more scrutiny.

I don't think so. Look at the Pool B teams nationally, there wasn't really much on the table this year. And the teams that got in haven't done so hot.

Central - Wash. U. 0-1, playing #1 seed Carthage on Saturday, oof!
Midwest - St. Scholastica 1-2
New York - Ithaca 0-2
South - Salisbury 1-2, York 1-2
West - Chapman 1-0

All but Wash. U and Chapman remain in the tournament right now. Overall, it's a down year for Pool B. Outside of the six teams that made it in, the next closest was Bethany Lutheran from the UMAC. Bethany blew its chances when it was swept by CSS in the UMAC finals.

Meanwhile, Pool C teams have done very very well. Go figure. IMO this discussion will be moot when Ithaca completes that rumored move to the Liberty League :-)
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on May 15, 2009, 09:04:24 PM
Quote from: TRhit on May 15, 2009, 07:49:51 PM
Boomer

Don't beat yourself up---it is just a game


TR you very old rascal!!!!!!!  How are you??  Welcome to the D3 boards!!!!  I gotta tell you, it's not just a game, and coming from you, you old snake, I know you're the most passionate about games, win or lose.   :D

I also have to say that after three years of reading, observing , that most of the posters on this site really love and know college baseball at the DIII level.  I still have a lot to learn!! 

I hope you and your wife are well!!.  I was going to contact you if Rochester got to the regional, but they just seem to not be able to 'close' the games in the tournament.  They had a great season, but lost some games they should have won and maybe won some they should have lost, but they did play well this year.  We've got some good talent with more coming on next year.  As they say, time will tell.

Our son is staying on campus this summer and has two jobs lined up, one in a Biology lab and the other in the Athletic Dept. + a clinic or two.  He'll also play with the summer Yellowjackets.  I'll call you next week.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on May 15, 2009, 09:21:53 PM
Quote from: John McGraw on May 15, 2009, 08:41:13 PM
Quote from: airball55 on May 15, 2009, 08:06:28 PM
Well said John.  I feel for Boomer man but I'm not so sure the Jackets would have done well in this regional.... lots of runs being scored.  I just like that the shipped in team (WNEC) got the boot.  Rather then critique the LL or the SUNYAC maybe we should be looking into Ithaca a bit.  Their "automatic" bid they seem to get hasn't produced much lately and with 13-14 easy wins in the Empire 5 (Utica, RIT, Fisher and Stevens) maybe they should be looked at with a bit more scrutiny.

I don't think so. Look at the Pool B teams nationally, there wasn't really much on the table this year. And the teams that got in haven't done so hot.

Central - Wash. U. 0-1, playing #1 seed Carthage on Saturday, oof!
Midwest - St. Scholastica 1-2
New York - Ithaca 0-2
South - Salisbury 1-2, York 1-2
West - Chapman 1-0

All but Wash. U and Chapman remain in the tournament right now. Overall, it's a down year for Pool B. Outside of the six teams that made it in, the next closest was Bethany Lutheran from the UMAC. Bethany blew its chances when it was swept by CSS in the UMAC finals.

Meanwhile, Pool C teams have done very very well. Go figure. IMO this discussion will be moot when Ithaca completes that rumored move to the Liberty League :-)

airball55....

I really believe that Rochester would have definitely competed.  And remember, I said competed.  They were ahead in the RPI series games and then lost it.  Clarkson, even though I give Pitkin a ton of credit, was being hit by our guys, just at someone.  The three straight shutout games, an anomoly!!!!  I think that they were over thinking and thought it could happen again.

I know I'm giving them a lot of credit, and when John was at the Cortland/Rochester game, I heard him say over the radio broadcast that they had a good team.  I know, I know, I'm drinking my Rochester Kool Aid again, but I'm having a hard time letting go.  When I see Wash U. in it, and Ithaca drops two in a row, I know UR would have been in the thick of it.  BUT, like we all have said, you have to be able to "close."

As an old Cubs fan, and what Ernie Banks has always said, "there's always next year!" 
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: airball55 on May 15, 2009, 09:44:52 PM
I am a Liberty League guy but as much as I like the Boomer man, three straight shutouts against a Clarkson team that does not field all that well, isn't bad luck and line drives right at guys (they lost their starting SS, Clarke just before that weekend).  I love Coach Reina, class act but the ole' Jackets just don't seem to play well after May 1.  I thought their best shot was last season with Mcanearny (spelling, sorry).   I do agree though that they would have competed, they always play close games.  Seeing a guy the second time should have been an advantage for them.  And knowing John he did believe they had a solid club but you can't gage a team by head to head wins anymore out of conference... Cortland smacked Clarkson in Florida but had played ten games and the Knights only had 2 (Cobleskill, yikes).  That's why we love the game on here and I do hope that the next LL regional team that hasn't been in a while will be the Jackets, but they have to break that post season curse or whateve it is.  Wouldn't it be great to see an RPI Clarkson final in the regional.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on May 15, 2009, 09:57:38 PM
Quote from: airball55 on May 15, 2009, 09:44:52 PM
I am a Liberty League guy but as much as I like the Boomer man, three straight shutouts against a Clarkson team that does not field all that well, isn't bad luck and line drives right at guys (they lost their starting SS, Clarke just before that weekend).  I love Coach Reina, class act but the ole' Jackets just don't seem to play well after May 1.  I thought their best shot was last season with Mcanearny (spelling, sorry).   I do agree though that they would have competed, they always play close games.  Seeing a guy the second time should have been an advantage for them.  And knowing John he did believe they had a solid club but you can't gage a team by head to head wins anymore out of conference... Cortland smacked Clarkson in Florida but had played ten games and the Knights only had 2 (Cobleskill, yikes).  That's why we love the game on here and I do hope that the next LL regional team that hasn't been in a while will be the Jackets, but they have to break that post season curse or whateve it is.  Wouldn't it be great to see an RPI Clarkson final in the regional.

You are correct when you say they don't play well after May 1st.  They went through a similar thing last year, and even hosting the tournament with a "home" crowd didn't help.  I would love to see (it's killing me to say this   :-X) an RPI/Clarkson final.  But of course, like with my Cubs, if they can't win, I still pull for the National League.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BaseB13 on May 15, 2009, 10:25:51 PM
Well I think if there is any year for an LL team to make it to the World Series for the first time since 2003, this is the year.  A 6 team regional and Cortland and Ithaca are down this year.  I think this regional shows that any of the top 4 teams in the LL (and maybe even 5 because SLU wasn't terrible) would have been able to "compete" in this regional.  I think both Skidmore and Rochester could easily be sitting in the same boat as Clarkson right now. I think they both split with Clarkson during the year.

As for John's comments about Ithaca joining the Liberty League??? I hope that rumor is completely false.  In my humble opinion, adding Ithaca to the conference will diminish the academic prestige of the conference.  I don't consider Ithaca a peer school of the LL teams which means they have no business being in the conference.  Every school in the LL besides Clarkson has acceptance rates below 50%.  Ithaca accepts a whopping 75%+. 

Also, I don't know how a 4 game conference schedule would work with another team.  Doesn't even seem to be room for another team.  If they had to take an eighth I'd try to force Hamilton to get back in for baseball since they're in the conference for every other sport.

Also, I don't even see why Ithaca would want to jointhe LL for baseball when they get an automatic bid every year.  Maybe other sports it makes sense but for baseball I just don't see how it does.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: John McGraw on May 15, 2009, 10:33:06 PM
Quote from: BaseB13 on May 15, 2009, 10:25:51 PM
Well I think if there is any year for an LL team to make it to the World Series for the first time since 2003, this is the year.  A 6 team regional and Cortland and Ithaca are down this year.  I think this regional shows that any of the top 4 teams in the LL (and maybe even 5 because SLU wasn't terrible) would have been able to "compete" in this regional.  I think both Skidmore and Rochester could easily be sitting in the same boat as Clarkson right now. I think they both split with Clarkson during the year.

As for John's comments about Ithaca joining the Liberty League??? I hope that rumor is completely false.  In my humble opinion, adding Ithaca to the conference will diminish the academic prestige of the conference.  I don't consider Ithaca a peer school of the LL teams which means they have no business being in the conference.  Every school in the LL besides Clarkson has acceptance rates below 50%.  Ithaca accepts a whopping 75%+. 

Also, I don't know how a 4 game conference schedule would work with another team.  Doesn't even seem to be room for another team.  If they had to take an eighth I'd try to force Hamilton to get back in for baseball since they're in the conference for every other sport.

Also, I don't even see why Ithaca would want to jointhe LL for baseball when they get an automatic bid every year.  Maybe other sports it makes sense but for baseball I just don't see how it does.

From what I hear it's basically a done deal for Ithaca, RIT and Nazareth to be jumping ship for the 2010-2011 school year. If you dislike Ithaca so much, you're more than welcome to have your school form a league with St. John Fisher, Hartwick, Alfred etc. etc.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 15, 2009, 10:37:49 PM
That announcement should come out in the next 3 months.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BaseB13 on May 15, 2009, 10:56:21 PM
Don't think I ever said I disliked Ithaca John.  I believe I said they're not a peer school with the rest of the Liberty League which is the case.  They do not compete for the same students on an academic basis.  If that hurts peoples feelings than they should make their academic standards more rigorous.

Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: WrongArm on May 16, 2009, 12:36:42 AM
Quote from: BaseB13 on May 15, 2009, 10:56:21 PM
Don't think I ever said I disliked Ithaca John. 

You never miss a chance to dis Ithaca. You've consistently complained that Ithaca's schedule is too soft, that they're overrated, that they always get a "free pass," and on and on.  If Ithaca joins the Liberty League, there'll be no place for them to hide anymore. I'd have expected you to be glad about that. Instead all I see is bitching about acceptance percentages. Afraid of the gym teachers?

Athletic conferences are marriages of convenience -- nothing sacred or holy about them. The pompous position statements held up by every athletic conference make for warm and fuzzy public relations, but they're not chiseled in stone tablets. When Ithaca thumps Vassar, you'll just have to take comfort in knowing that the Bombers may have a better baseball team but not the better SAT scores.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: scuba16 on May 16, 2009, 08:38:48 AM
Im a Cortland baseball alum and dont really like IC(go figure) but I have the utmost respect for them!  IC never ducks anyone when it comes to the diamond. They may have taken advantage of their conference situation and who can blame them. They get a pool B bid every year!
I don't know how many remember but IC was THE PREMIER d-3 baseball program in the COUNTRY in the 70's, 80's and early 90's.
Coach Val does a great job, bottom line!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on May 16, 2009, 09:26:45 AM
Excuse me for asking a naive question, but was the Liberty League set-up to be a academic conference?  ???  It shouldn't matter what the programs SAT/ACT scores are, or what their acceptance rate is.  To me if your trying to improve your conference/team rating nationally, then you need to have the "ranked" in-region schools on your schedule.

Everyone considers a Vassar or Union as "cream puff" programs.  I don't!  How many other conferences have those caliber baseball teams in them?  So, because those schools don't draw, including Rochester, St. Lawrence, Clarkson, and even RPI, the talent that maybe Ithaca or Cortland draw, what difference does it make?  Good debate?  If those weaker programs, which has included Rochester Clarkson, want to get to the regionals and beyond, they know they have to attract the better palyers.  How do you do that?  We all know its winning, and winning year after year.

I wouldn't knock Ithaca's academics.  It's still a good school, and I'm sure that if some of those players who don't see the playing time maybe wish they had gone to another school.  They have talent as seen with one of their pitchers Fishback.  His brother graduated last year from Rochester, but he didn't want to go where his brother went.  The same was true for Brady Noon's brother.  Brady also graduated from UR last year and his brother went to Wash U. in St.Louis.

So what if Fishback went to UR?  Pretty good pitcher, HUH???  I think he would have definitely helped Rochester this year.  So, maybe Ithaca helps the Liberty League get better.  That's what I think.  What do you all think??
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: WrongArm on May 16, 2009, 10:34:13 AM
I lifted this bit of history from the E8 web site.

In 1964, Alfred University, Clarkson University, Hobart College, Rensselaer, St. Lawrence University, and Union College joined together to form the Independent College Athletic Conference (ICAC). Its primary purpose was aimed at schedule making for a few major sports. Union soon dropped out to be replaced later by Ithaca College and RIT. The conference remained at seven institutions for 20 years. Hobart and William Smith merged as one member and Hartwick College entered the conference in 1991.

In 1991, the ICAC reorganized and the Empire Athletic Association (EAA) emerged as a quality conference composed of institutions with top academic and athletic reputations.

Since 1993, the EAA served as a single sport conference for Men and Women's Basketball. Soon after the departure of Hobart/William Smith, RPI, and St. Lawrence, Elmira College, Nazareth College, and Utica College joined the EAA to maintain six members and a cohesive basketball alignment. In 1998, Alfred University and St. John Fisher became the latest of the eight official members.

In the Fall of 1999, the EAA officially became the Empire 8 which evolved into a comprehensive conference for 13 sports for men and women.


Most of these schools, at least in some sports, have played together at one time or another. Maybe one of the "old buzzards" on the board can fill in the blanks  :-)

I meant no disrespect to Vassar. For the last few years I've pulled for Utica against Ithaca with no success. Most of the games have been well played and close (I'm trying to forget the stinkers) and the Bombers bring their best and play hard and with class every game. I'd expect them to do the same, win or lose, for every LL team, including Vassar.

If RIT and Ithaca leave the E8, as a baseball conference, I'd day the E8 is beyond life support -- though there those who would say the patient was already dead :-(
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BaseB13 on May 16, 2009, 01:08:37 PM
Quote from: WrongArm on May 16, 2009, 12:36:42 AM
Quote from: BaseB13 on May 15, 2009, 10:56:21 PM
Don't think I ever said I disliked Ithaca John. 

You never miss a chance to dis Ithaca. You've consistently complained that Ithaca's schedule is too soft, that they're overrated, that they always get a "free pass," and on and on.  If Ithaca joins the Liberty League, there'll be no place for them to hide anymore. I'd have expected you to be glad about that. Instead all I see is bitching about acceptance percentages. Afraid of the gym teachers?

Athletic conferences are marriages of convenience -- nothing sacred or holy about them. The pompous position statements held up by every athletic conference make for warm and fuzzy public relations, but they're not chiseled in stone tablets. When Ithaca thumps Vassar, you'll just have to take comfort in knowing that the Bombers may have a better baseball team but not the better SAT scores.


This is where you're off again. I did not dis Ithaca last year.  I said that an Independent team has the ability to line up their pitching against the best possible opponents because  their conference games do not mean anything.  You disagreed with that if I remember correctly.  Ask any coach in the E8 and they'll tell you that.  Every college coach knows that Pool B teams have a different motivation throughout their scheduling than teams with an automatic bid.  This is not JUST Ithaca.  It's all Pool B teams. So there you go, it's nothing personal against IC.

As for the conference realignment, this has nothing to do with baseball.  This has to do with how the schools match up with many sports.  In fact, RIT tries to get into the Liberty League every year.  Their application to the league is nothing new.  And this has nothing to do with strengthening the conference for baseball.

In my opinion, conferences should consist of teams with similar academic missions/criteria.  Again, as I've said "Peer Schools".  That way the bid is decided amongst teams who recruit for the same talent.  This is not entirely the case with the LL right now because you have a combination of engineering schools and liberal arts schools.  However, atleast the conference consists of schools with similar academic credentials.

Why do you think the Ivy League is all top tier academic institutions?  Or the Big Ten is all big time engineering schools?  Or the NESCAC is all top tier New England liberal arts schools?  Or the SUNYAC is all upstate public NY schools? I suppose it's just coincidence.  Or maybe not. 

As for IC getting a free pass, they probably have gotten a free pass.  However, they've probably deserved most of those passes.  Now their will be no free pass.  I do envision them doing very well in the LL.  I also envision their NCAA appearance streak being broken in the very near future.

I find it ironic on the board that people feel completely comfortable to bash a teams athletic ability but as soon as someone points out that a school may not be quite on par with another academically, everyone becomes politically correct.  News flash fellas, IC is good school, but it's no Harvard.  And there's nothing wrong with that.  So get over it.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: dom on May 16, 2009, 02:18:53 PM
The DIII baseball in NY is passionate, and it makes for good baseball all around.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: pudge27 on May 16, 2009, 04:47:04 PM
I've got a couple of points/questions. 

--Firstly, Boomer... You're right, woulda shoulda coulda with UR.  I don't mean that snidely.  It's tough when you think that you should have done better.  I don't think that anyone here doubts them in a 1 game situation with anyone.  Keep in mind that the tournament that we're talking about is for the NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP.  Not supposed to be easy to get in.  UR is definitely a good team, but they have to finish instead of letting good starts turn into mediocre records. 

--Secondly, can someone explain why the argument keeps being made about how academically superior the LL is?  We are talking about baseball here.  That sounds like an argument that a terrible team would choose to use.  Or maybe some team who would be very happy to have a league title and have no further expectations.  Yeah, we suck but boy are our academic standards murder.  Thanks Worthington.  Have fun with Buffy at the cotillion.    I don't mean to poo poo a league championship at all.  My point is that a lot of this seems to come from trying to compare leagues, which is a legit discussion, but academics are really moot when it comes to really deciding who's best. 

Somebody tell me if I'm missing part of this argument, but don't tell how much harder it is for UR or RPI over Ithaca and how much harder it is for Ithaca over Cortland, etc.  Once you get out of the classroom, there's no bonus points, no??
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: WrongArm on May 16, 2009, 05:46:46 PM
Here's how you dissed Ithaca last February:
"...Ithaca beats all the Liberty League teams and SUNYAC teams because when they have to play Utica four times in one weekend they can throw their JV pitchers.  Then they have all their top arms to throw against non conference opponents mid week such as Rochester, Cortland, Clarkson, St Lawrence etc.  So while those teams are throwing their number 5 or piecing together a game with 5 different pitchers, Ithaca can save their top arms for the best teams they possibly play because their conference games are completely meaningless."

I'd forgotten you wrote this. Your assertion that Ithaca throws JV pitchers against Utica in their meaningless games is as incorrect and silly today as it was last year.

For a little more irony, though, look at the Rochester/Ithaca game this season. Here's a midweek game against a tough opponent. McDaniel, their #1 matches up against Veenema and both throw four innings. Rochester finishes by committee, but Ithaca hands the ball to a freshman in his first collegiate game who gets the win. Twelve days earlier, in a four-game weekend, Utica sees McDaniel, Sapp, Fishback, Lynch and Healy -- Ithaca's top pitchers wasted on meaningless E8 games against inferior competition. But against Rochester, a midweek game, Ithaca loads up with their JV staff. It's just unfair. If Ithaca does well in the Liberty League, you'll have to come up with some fresh excuses.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BaseB13 on May 16, 2009, 07:15:03 PM
WrongArm, one example out of how many possible games?  Don't try to use that logic with me.. or lack of.  You don't have to believe me if you don't want.  We can easily pull up the Ithaca win over Cortland this year where Cortland threw their #5 and Ithaca threw their #1 and #2 for over 2/3 of the game.  Probably would have thrown them for me if the game wasn't out of hand in their favor.

We can go back and forth about this situation and pick out examples for both sides.  Instead, why don't you think about this logically, and think about it in terms of Pool B teams in general.  While you're at it, why don't you find the quotes where I stated I would do the same thing if I was Ithaca or any other Pool B team.  So I guess I am dissing myself as well?

Now ask yourself what YOU would do if you were the coach of any Pool B team.  Here's the scenario: Your conference games mean the same as your non conference games. (Let's pretend your SJFC so you don't think I'm picking on IC)  You can probably get by with your #5 against Utica on Saturday and you're playing Cortland on Wednesday.  Who do you throw against Cortland?  Let me answer the question for you.  If you have any sense of a brain, you throw your best Wednesday because that win looks a lot better in the regional committee's eyes.

Now suppose you're a Pool C team.  You play Cortland on Wednesday but you play Vassar on Saturday.  The win against Cortland is pretty much meaningless.  It'd be nice to have for bragging rights (See UR this year).  However, if you start a #5 against Vassar and somehow lose, it could adversely affect your position in the conference tournament and maybe prevent you from even competing for a Pool A bid.

So now that we've examined the scenario independetly of Ithaca I think it's pretty obvious that there is some strategy depending on if your a Pool C or Pool B team.  Finally, if a coach is not following these respective strategies based on the type of team they are then I do wonder what exactly they're thinking.

Pudge, as for the LL being superior academically.  This has nothing to do with baseball.  It has to do with the reasoning behind conferences.  They're supposed to be a group of peer schools.  I believe this is part of the reason RIT has been nixed every year for the past several years in its attempt to join the LL.  A technical school with 13,000 students doesn't usually compete with a liberal arts college with 2,000 students for the same type of student.  Because I know people get sensitive about the topic we'll stay away from the topic of how a larger school can be more lax on its admissions standards for athletes because with more students a schools mean scores will be less affected. 

In no way did I use academics as an excuse for the Liberty League.  In fact, they don't need it.  The conference has had no problem competing on a regional level while maintaining its strong admission requirements.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: WrongArm on May 17, 2009, 10:29:26 AM
Quote from: BaseB13 on May 16, 2009, 07:15:03 PM
WrongArm, one example out of how many possible games?  Don't try to use that logic with me

I understand why you don't like my example but you picked that game a year ago. The coincidence was just too sweet to ignore. You are a baseball Nostradamus, but like Nostadamus, a few of the details were muddy. It turns out that you were right about Ithaca throwing JV pitchers, just not against Utica. Where's your sense of humor? You were wearing a cosmic "kick me" sign. Better luck next year, though.

Quote from: BaseB13 on May 16, 2009, 07:15:03 PM
You play Cortland on Wednesday but you play Vassar on Saturday.  The win against Cortland is pretty much meaningless.  It'd be nice to have for bragging rights (See UR this year).  However, if you start a #5 against Vassar and somehow lose, it could adversely affect your position in the conference tournament and maybe prevent you from even competing for a Pool A bid.

A .500 conference record was good enough for Skidmore to make the LL tournament. That's a 12 loss cushion and you're biting your nails over a game with Vassar?

Simple, black and white rules don't always work in a complicated, full color world.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BaseB13 on May 17, 2009, 05:12:19 PM
Wrong Arm

You said:
"I understand why you don't like my example but you picked that game a year ago. The coincidence was just too sweet to ignore. You are a baseball Nostradamus, but like Nostadamus, a few of the details were muddy. It turns out that you were right about Ithaca throwing JV pitchers, just not against Utica. Where's your sense of humor? You were wearing a cosmic "kick me" sign. Better luck next year, though."

I believe I said Ithaca can save their top arms for the best competition.  So looking back at the example you claimed I used a year ago, Ithaca did throw Sottung (#1) against Oswego on Thursday and he did not start the weekend against Utica.  I think there are countless examples of this throughout Pool B teams' schedules.  I bet you will find considerably less examples of this from Pool C teams.  They eithr throw by committee with their starters as a "bullpen" day or they use a #5. I'm asserting from your posts that you think this is a bad idea because you continue to fail to acknowledge that this strategy makes complete sense.  Of course, if you acknowledged this point then you'd be acknowledging that I am not always "dissing" IC.


You then said:
A .500 conference record was good enough for Skidmore to make the LL tournament. That's a 12 loss cushion and you're biting your nails over a game with Vassar?

Simple, black and white rules don't always work in a complicated, full color world.

My response to this is very simple.  Using Skidmore as the example that you bring up, it looks like they did infact lose to Vassar once last year.  That .500 record was not enough to get them in the tournament.  Had they won that Vassar game, they would have been in.  So I'd argue teams should bite their nails against Vassar and any other conference opponent.

So while you're discussing kick me signs, answer this question:  Does it make sense for a Pool B team to throw their best in a midweek game if that win provides a more important victory in the region?  If you say no that's fine.  Apparently you disagree with Coach V because apparently he did last year.

Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: airball55 on May 17, 2009, 08:12:33 PM
Awesome discussion, good to see smart people discussing the game we all like.  Every year the team that does not make it thinks they could have won the thing and that is fine, I would too and have thought the same thing.  My two cents on Ithaca.  Real nice program but Coach V would fight till he could fight no more about joining the LL.  And whoever said it isn't about baseball is 100% correct, administrators in this region care about three things, football, basketball and Title 9, that is it!!! 

Ithaca reminds me though of Notre Dame a bit and how every year people talk about them joining a league.  They get a free ride pretty much every year to a bowl game and every chance to play in a BCS because they are "Notre Dame".   Similarly, Ithaca pretty much gets a bid as long as they are a bit over .500 every year because they are "Ithaca".  But similar to ND, their post season success has waned a bit over the past decade and there is no way they would want any part of an automatic qualifier in a post season tournament when they get a free ride every year.  This is by no means a dis on the Bombers.  Everyone would love to be in that situation.  I do however agree with the advantages they have midweek versus in region opponents which I have stated in the past. 

Good luck to Farmingdale, lost their first game and came all the way back, IMPRESSIVE!!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: AlleyCat on May 18, 2009, 10:23:06 AM
How about the LL? Having 2 of 3 teams in the final 3 at the New York Regional. Everyone always looks down upon the LL but they showed the strength and absolutely showed the LL was better than the SUNYAC this year.  I think the 4 game weekends really help them prepare for tournments and it showed. I know it may hurt them with out of conference opponents, but it shows when they get to the dance they can perform. They play 32 innings each weekend which makes you have pitching depth. Great seasons for Clarkson and RPI. Too bad RPI couldn't take it home although I'm sure it was tough beating Farmingdale at home.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: WrongArm on May 19, 2009, 09:09:22 AM
Quote from: BaseB13 on May 17, 2009, 05:12:19 PM
I believe I said Ithaca can save their top arms for the best competition.

Actually, you said a bit more. Your exact words were,"when they [Ithaca] have to play Utica four times in one weekend they can throw their JV pitchers." You also said, "Ithaca can save their top arms for the best teams they possibly play because their conference games are completely meaningless."

I assume you know what "completely" means and what "meaningless" means. And you deliberately put the two together -- "completely meaningless" -- to describe Ithaca's conference games. But you didn't stop there. Utica is so bad that Ithaca throws their JV pitchers against them. Don't let the fact that it doesn't happen get in the way of your argument. It's only a small jump from labeling an entire conference schedule as meaningless to your next gem --  your often repeated theme that the student athletes at Ithaca could not be fit members of the Liberty League.

I don't know why you keep lecturing on pool B vs pool C -- that was never an issue. Your outrageous claims and disrespect were. I won't complain that for all your exhaustive analysis, an Ithaca JV pitcher beat Rochester in a midweek game. You are curiously quiet on this game. Doesn't it fit your model?

If I apply your standards, Ithaca and the Empire 8 haven't got a monopoly on "meaningless" games either. In the Liberty League this year, winning half your conference games earns a spot in the league tournament. Lose all the rest of your games and you're still in. In a 35 game schedule that's 23 losses that change not one bit your chance to compete in the league playoffs. Some might call those games meaningless too. If you play in a conference that receives no automatic bid, there are no second chances. Post a 12-23 record and you're done. Every game matters. In fact, you might even say that those games are the opposite of meaningless.

Of course, your concept of "meaningless" games is just as absurd when applied to the Liberty League as it is to the Empire 8 because no games are meaningless.

College students invest the considerable time and effort to play baseball for lots of reasons -- love of the game, the challenge to constantly improve, the camaraderie -- as many reasons as there are players. In conference games, even in a conference that receives no automatic bid, students also play for something called pride. Maybe you've heard of it.

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I'd also like to add my congratulations to RPI and Clarkson for their outstanding seasons. They are impressive representatives for their schools and conference.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BaseB13 on May 19, 2009, 10:28:06 AM
WrongArm, You're attempt to cling to a word here and there from over a year ago is pathetic.  So some exaggeration was used to describe Ithaca, and ALL Pool B teams' situation.  Get over it.  Again, college coaches that coach both Pool B and Pool C teams acknowledge that this goes on all the time.  It is an advantage that Pool B teams have over Pool C teams in certain matchups.  This is EXACTLY why I've said numerous times that you cannot give a lot of weight to midweek non-conference games.  Bring up that quote while you're at it.

As for the Rochester/Ithaca game that you speak of.  You're talking about the game that Ithaca's Ace, McDaniel, gave up 7 hits, 7 run, and 3 walks in four innings?  He faced 25 batters so probably reached 100+ pitches.  This is obviously why IC turned to the bullpen.  You act like this was a planned move.  UR did throw Veenema, a very good pitcher, who had not thrown in weeks, and was basically getting a rehab start.  UR then finished by committee which I said most Pool C teams tend to do midweek.  Kudos to the reliever for Ithaca for going 4 innings and allowing 2 unearned runs.   

As for the LL wins and losses, I believe I refuted your point in my last post.  Some years a .500 record gets you in, some years it doesn't.  Regardless, every LL conference game means significantly more than any E8 game.

While you state that I continue to "dis" Ithaca, you fail to post a single quote where I have said positive things about them, and other Pool B teams.  The quotes are out there too.  I think Ithaca will make the LL tournament often although I'm interested to see how the new scheduling will work.  I also think now that most schools have fulltime coaches that it has become increasingly more difficult for Ithaca to maintain the dominance it once had in NY region baseball.   I envision Ithaca's NCAA streak ending in the near future because they're joining the LL.  It's pretty simple, no team in the LL has been able to maintain much of a streak.  So while you'll probably view many of my comments as bashing, I'll view them as logical.

When I originally posted that Ithaca should not join the LL b/c they're not a peer school I was unaware that RIT and Naz were joining as well.  I'd say the same about those schools as well.  So there you go, I am not "dissing" just IC.  Although I dont consider it dissing, you do.  Look back at the posts and you'll see I believe John referenced only IC joining the LL at the time.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: WrongArm on May 24, 2009, 09:51:39 PM
QuoteBaseB13 wrote on: March 11, 2008, 09:58:22 am

You just keep reinforcing the stereotype that Ithaca graduates are a bunch of meatheads known only for their athletic ability.  Although you may find that insulting, that is unfortantely for you, the stereotype of your alma mater.


Your words. Just "some exaggeration" again? Instead of explaining pool B and pool C for the tenth time, why don't you lecture on the idea of peer schools again. But this time, don't leave out the part about the "meatheads."
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BaseB13 on May 25, 2009, 07:52:35 PM
Haha get a life man.  You keep digging up for quotes on a message board.  Unfortunately, that is the stereotype.  Ithaca is known as a very athletic, athletic training, "jock" type school.  When people think of Ithaca, many people think of their athletic program before their academics.  Maybe you disagree.  I'd find it difficult for you to do this.  It's pretty well known that the administration emphasizes athletics very heavily.  You clearly have an inferiority complex because you won't let this go.

And FYI, Ithaca, Nazareth, and RIT joining the Liberty League is NOT a done deal.  Other schools have also applied.  Some may get in, some may not.  And if some do not get in, I'll avoid saying why because I wouldn't want to hurt anyones elses feelings by stating the truth.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: WrongArm on May 27, 2009, 09:30:55 PM
As Ithaca College may be joining the Liberty League, I encourage you to learn more about the school so you won't have rely on the crutch of stereotypes to form your opinions. There's much more going on there than "meatheads"  training to ambush the guys wearing pocket protectors. Learn the truth and you won't look so foolish the next time you feel the need to resort to insults when you're losing an argument.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BaseB13 on May 29, 2009, 08:36:17 AM
Haha again where did I resort to insults?  The quote you mentioned from a year ago where I said you were "reinforcing the stereotype"? Stop behaving in such ways and I won't need to say that.

I think you're right though WrongArm. After talking to you, your sensivity and sense of inferiority is not typical of a "meathead" or "jock".  I stand corrected.  Before I stereotype anymore, is this typical of your alma mater or are you an anomaly?  That was a rhetorical question meant as a joke.  You don't need to answer it.  I wouldn't want you thinking I was hating on IC.

Why don't we get back to baseball while we're at it.  Any early takers on how the league shakes out next year?  Who loses the most?

Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: AlleyCat on May 29, 2009, 11:40:06 AM
I believe the LL had it's league meeting this week so we should have some answers to who may be joining the league in 2010-2011.

For next year - Rochester loses 3 of its top starters in Veenema3 wins, Park 6 wins and Toland 6 winsand they will be hard to replace. They also lose Sullivan.354 and 4 saves, VanDer Styne .331, Brien .336. St lawrence loses Bodnar 4 winswho was their ace but return Cook 4 wins who had a nice season. Skidmore loses Reilly 4 wins who was their big game pitcher, Morelli and Gruber. RPI loses Wilkes who was solid in CF for 4 years, Devine who played 3B for 4 years and Opperman 7 wins and Novick 6 wins. Clarkson lost a bunch of important seniors mainly Pitkin, Holiday, Giordano,Bittner and Chojecki. I'm not sure who loses the most but I'm sure Rochester, Clarkson and RPI will reload. St Lawrence returns a lot of guys and Skidmore still has many guys back who can play.

Could be another competitive year in the LL next year. It will depend on how the recruiting classes shape up.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BaseB13 on June 06, 2009, 02:32:55 PM
I saw RIT has announced they will be joining the Liberty League, most likely in 2011.  Any word on any of the other potential schools?  (Naz, Ithaca, Bard)?
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: John McGraw on June 06, 2009, 07:46:17 PM
Quote from: BaseB13 on June 06, 2009, 02:32:55 PM
I saw RIT has announced they will be joining the Liberty League, most likely in 2011.  Any word on any of the other potential schools?  (Naz, Ithaca, Bard)?

Scroll down and you'll see that the rumor is RIT, Ithaca and Nazareth jumping to the Liberty League for 2010-2011 at the earliest. RIT and Nazareth would be travel partners in most sports and Ithaca would partner up with Hobart/William Smith to replace departed Hamilton.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 06, 2009, 07:48:09 PM
I had heard the rumor of Bard as well. I don't think that would be a job move in terms of competitiveness for the Raptors.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: John McGraw on June 06, 2009, 08:04:06 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on June 06, 2009, 07:48:09 PM
I had heard the rumor of Bard as well. I don't think that would be a job move in terms of competitiveness for the Raptors.

I s'pose it would make sense given that Vassar is already in the Liberty League and Bard for the most part is right next door. Though, I definitely agree that that wouldn't be a very wise move on Bard's part, given the lack of success they've had in the NEAC and previously the Skyline.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BaseB13 on June 07, 2009, 01:31:57 PM
I know there have been rumors about all four schools (Ithaca, Naz, RIT, Bard).  I also know that it is official that RIT is moving to the Liberty League in 2011.  I didn't know if anything else was official yet though or if the other three are just rumors still.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: AlleyCat on June 08, 2009, 08:34:43 AM
News on the street is that RIT and Bard are the only 2 given offers.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: dom on June 08, 2009, 12:17:55 PM
It does not appear that Bard fields a baseball team.  Would they be starting a baseball program, or simply participating in LL for their other sports?
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BaseB13 on June 09, 2009, 09:53:47 AM
I heard a similar rumor Alley.  Apparently the league may have had similar thoughts as myself. 
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: John McGraw on June 09, 2009, 12:10:00 PM
Quote from: dom on June 08, 2009, 12:17:55 PM
It does not appear that Bard fields a baseball team.  Would they be starting a baseball program, or simply participating in LL for their other sports?

I definitely cannot see baseball at Bard. It'd most likely be for other sports only.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: spectator123 on November 22, 2009, 10:26:52 AM
Any insights from fall ball, recruiting, transfers etc on this year.
Is it the same four teams this year at the LL tournament?
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: AlleyCat on November 23, 2009, 03:14:47 PM
I would think that Rochester, Skidmore and RPI would be back. Clarkson was real strong last year as people could see from the their run in the LL tourney and the upset of Cortland in the first round of the NCAA. A run like that could really take the program to a new level. They did lose a lot of talented kids and Austin Pitkin stood up and took the team on his shoulders in post season. Someone like him will be tough to replace. Rochester is always tough and I'm sure the staff brought in some great new faces. Skidmore is always tough with the brand of ball they play and will make it tough for anyone playing them, especially in the LL tourney. RPI will be tough with many returning hitters and their key pitchers.

Just my take. 4th spot will be up for grabs, but my money would be on Clarkson or St lawrence.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on January 21, 2010, 08:32:54 PM
43 days until "first pitch" for Rochester in Florida.  Yah-who-o-o-o-o-o!!!!!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: spectator123 on January 31, 2010, 09:05:11 AM
Quote from: BoomerIL on January 21, 2010, 08:32:54 PM
43 days until "first pitch" for Rochester in Florida.  Yah-who-o-o-o-o-o!!!!!
D3 New York preview has RPI as the team to beat in the LL this year because of their returning depth both pitching and hitting. Probably a fair projection until we see how the others (Clarkson, Skidmore and Rochester) step up.  Clarkson and Rochester need to replace some arms. They didn't give any love to Vassar or Union and look to St Lawrence as a spoiler.

As a Rochester fan I hope the addition of pitching/catching Coach Dawes can help solidify a young pitching staff and show the Liberty League and the New York Region that Rochester has continually improved the team to be a solid contender for a spot in the regional. It seems like the only way for Rochester to get to the Region is to win the LL tournament. We do play Cortland, Ithaca, SJF (2), Brockport, Keuka and RIT in region but I don't know if that is enough to get a bid even if we manage well against those teams. With the Liberty League at 24 games and the UAA taking up six games it's tough to get more in-region games to compete.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: AlleyCat on February 02, 2010, 02:32:39 PM
I think that with the strength the LL showed last year with 2 of the 3 final teams in the New York regional being from the LL it should provide more of an opportunity for the league to get more than one team in again as long as they take care of business in the league and in other in region games. Rochester should have gotten a bid at least one of the past 2 seasons. They are a very good team with good pitching depth and great all around talent. The four game set each weekend prepares the teams for a regional atmosphere and makes teams use more than 3 pitchers each weekend. I believe that the LL will become a more powerful league in the future with the coaches and the players they are bringing in.

Just my thoughts.....
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: airball55 on February 04, 2010, 02:22:07 PM
The U of R message board.  Win a post season game and then lobby for regional bids.  Coach Reina is a great guy, good coach!!  But for some reason the post season has not been kind to the Jackets in what is considered a weak league.  St. Lawrence is a good sleeper pick.  RPI stands out with the return of most of their weapons.  Clarkson can hit.  It was nice seeing the league do well in the regional last year.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: AlleyCat on February 04, 2010, 04:03:44 PM
I disagree with the statement that the LL is a weak league. They have had multiple teams represent the league where as the SUNYAC is usually the Cortland show. As is the E8 the Ithaca show. The LL teams always win some games in the regional and although RPI is the only team to make it to the regional final or the world series, they still make a pretty good showing. I agree that Uof R needs to step it up in the post season. If they win a game or two in the LL tournament the last 2 years they should have made it.

Just my thoughts.....
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: anonymous234 on February 17, 2010, 09:40:27 PM
Looking at RPI's roster, outfielder Nic Marchese isn't on it.  I'm 95% sure he was a junior last year and they haven't given his number 10 to someone else... Is this just a mistake or is he off the team for some reason? Any insight would be great.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: John McGraw on February 17, 2010, 11:27:56 PM
Quote from: anonymous234 on February 17, 2010, 09:40:27 PM
Looking at RPI's roster, outfielder Nic Marchese isn't on it.  I'm 95% sure he was a junior last year and they haven't given his number 10 to someone else... Is this just a mistake or is he off the team for some reason? Any insight would be great.

Good question. Marchcese was on the list of returning players RPI turned in with its' regional preview/Top 25 questionnaire. As far as I know he does have remaining eligibility so there could be any number of factors why he was taken off.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: AlleyCat on February 22, 2010, 01:35:24 PM
I believe it has something to do with his family. He is not on the roster and will not be for the year. I think he was a sophomore .last year. RPI is always deep on the offensive side, but losing a guy like that could hurt.  It must have been something that came up late if he was included in the preseason information.

Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: AlleyCat on February 26, 2010, 08:33:51 AM
Do anyone have some predictions on the LL this year?
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: anonymous234 on February 27, 2010, 06:24:10 PM
Expect Skidmore's trends to continue as similar to previous years:
Skidmore underachieves during the regular season, especially during non-league games, due to poor coaching.  However, they will most likely make the tournament and do some damage once they stop listening to the coaching and play how the players want to and have fun instead of treating it like a business.  Just going by the last few years and what I've heard. 
Other teams have a lot of question marks that need to be answered (Rochester Pitching, Clarkson Pitching/replacing graduates, St. Law depth and talent that wasn't there last year, etc) so very difficult to predict.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: airball55 on March 03, 2010, 01:53:12 PM
LL predictions

1. RPI- Big surprise... Ace (Mondo), POY candidate (Reardon), enough said I would think

Now it gets interesting

2-4  I really don't know who to pick here.  I actually think Skidmore overachieves and is very well coached.  They are very good at small ball.  The effort to play better teams on their spring trip may help them.  No more Crown College (who?).  They are a candidate for the league tourney.  Rochester has the best home field advantage in the league (better duck in the dugouts).  Guzski is good but they lost a lot of guys.  That may not be bad though considering their post season results.  Clarkson can hit.  Torbitt, Curry, Coleman and Kinney give them a chance to score runs consistently.  Who is on the hill though??  I would probably go
2. Rochester (good regular season team)
3. Clarkson (offense should carry them)
4. Skidmore (Squeeze, bunt and run, etc..)

5- St. Lawrence: If anyone else jumps in it is probably these guys.  Lots of new faces and no real aces (unless Duff pitches).  But they could slide into the tourney if one of the above slips.

6-7  Union and Vassar:  Don't know too much about these two.  Pretty much consistent bottom feeders the past 5-10 seasons.

RPI may be in for another one of those 22-2, 20-4 type seasons.  Should be fun too watch.  Who wins the tournament is a whole other question. 
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: anonymous234 on March 03, 2010, 09:11:30 PM
Skidmore only begins to overachieve in the post season (if they make it there) once the coach stops coaching like an idiot and stops bunting everyone (1-9).  He tries to win games 1-0 but tis impossible in the Liberty League and with most D3 pitchers.  If you look at regular season results for Skidmore, they lose many, many games against teams worse than them because they underachieve with the coach who wants to put his touch on the game every inning: "Like when I called that squeeze? That won us the game right there!" or, on the other hand, "We didn't get one bunt down in the first, you guys blew it." He either wins it himself, or the team loses it and he had nothing to do with the loss.  Skidmore has more talent than he lets get shown because of his style.  Without him, they could do some serious damage.  Their record over the last 4 years is severely hindered by non conference games where he pitches someone new every inning, often times not pitchers, but just someone to eat innings.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: airball55 on March 04, 2010, 10:48:30 AM
I will agree that it is impossible to win in college ball or anywhere with metal bats in low scoring games.  I also know that other teams hate playing them because of their style of play.  You and I just differ in opinions on Skidmore's talent level.  I can't remember the last pitcher they had who could touch 85.  I will say this though, I would personally much rather play Rochester late in the season versus Skidmore!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: anonymous234 on March 04, 2010, 07:53:26 PM
I will certainly agree with you there airball, I would much rather see Rochester at the end of the year than Skidmore as Rochester seems to fade each year.  Laracuente and Stork can both hit over 85 on the gun for what it's worth.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on March 08, 2010, 01:46:58 PM
Rochester started their season off in Vero Beach on Saturday by splitting a doubleheader with Neumann.  UR winning game 1, 8-6 and losing game 2, 8-3 sure shows that errors, and new season jitters for a young pitching staff, can cost you runs and wins.

Sunday was a bit of a different story.  Playing New Jersey City University, UR came out on top 9-2 with a fantastic pitching performance by freshman Nate Kowal. In his first collegiate apperance, Nate went 7 innings giving up 6 hits, 1 earned run, with 2 walks, 8 K's, and 1 wp.  DJ Schwartz (out last season because of rehab from surgery) came in to finish the last two innings allowing 1 hit, 1 earned run, 3 walks, 1 K, and 1 HBP.  According to some spectators, these two kids looked pretty good.  Maybe some of the answers to losing three starters due to graduation may be answered.  Time will tell.

UR continues their Florida trip tomorrow when they play in the UAA Tournament in Sanford , FL. starting Tuesday.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: John McGraw on March 08, 2010, 02:13:49 PM
Quote from: BoomerIL on March 08, 2010, 01:46:58 PM
Rochester started their season off in Vero Beach on Saturday by splitting a doubleheader with Neumann.  UR winning game 1, 8-6 and losing game 2, 8-3 sure shows that errors, and new season jitters for a young pitching staff, can cost you runs and wins.

Sunday was a bit of a different story.  Playing New Jersey City University, UR came out on top 9-2 with a fantastic pitching performance by freshman Nate Kowal. In his first collegiate apperance, Nate went 7 innings giving up 6 hits, 1 earned run, with 2 walks, 8 K's, and 1 wp.  DJ Schwartz (out last season because of rehab from surgery) came in to finish the last two innings allowing 1 hit, 1 earned run, 3 walks, 1 K, and 1 HBP.  According to some spectators, these two kids looked pretty good.  Maybe some of the answers to losing three starters due to graduation may be answered.  Time will tell.

UR continues their Florida trip tomorrow when they play in the UAA Tournament in Sanford , FL. starting Tuesday.

Hello Neumann indeed :)

Actually, Neumann isn't that bad as initially thought of. While Keystone is by far the best team in the CSAC conference, the Knights could be a viable number two if their JUCO transfers work out and they can get some pitching.

Good luck to UR in the UAA tournament - one that could be played right now in upstate New York with temperatures hitting the mid-40s today with 50s on tap for the middle of the week.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on March 08, 2010, 08:18:05 PM
John....

I thought New Jersey would have been a tougher game for UR considering that New Jersey plays in a very good conference.  I think though,and I not in Florida yet, that there may be some good surprises for UR this season with some of the young arms they have.  I'll know more when I see them firsthand.  The only thing I'm wondering about is if any of our "big" guys can put some balls over the fences.  That has not been UR's strong suit for many, many years from what I have been told.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: RSSmith on March 08, 2010, 09:42:12 PM
Quote from: John McGraw on March 08, 2010, 02:13:49 PM
Quote from: BoomerIL on March 08, 2010, 01:46:58 PM
Rochester started their season off in Vero Beach on Saturday by splitting a doubleheader with Neumann.  UR winning game 1, 8-6 and losing game 2, 8-3 sure shows that errors, and new season jitters for a young pitching staff, can cost you runs and wins.
//
Sunday was a bit of a different story.  Playing New Jersey City University, UR came out on top 9-2 with a fantastic pitching performance by freshman Nate Kowal. In his first collegiate apperance, Nate went 7 innings giving up 6 hits, 1 earned run, with 2 walks, 8 K's, and 1 wp.  DJ Schwartz (out last season because of rehab from surgery) came in to finish the last two innings allowing 1 hit, 1 earned run, 3 walks, 1 K, and 1 HBP.  According to some spectators, these two kids looked pretty good.  Maybe some of the answers to losing three starters due to graduation may be answered.  Time will tell.

UR continues their Florida trip tomorrow when they play in the UAA Tournament in Sanford , FL. starting Tuesday.

Hello Neumann indeed :)

Actually, Neumann isn't that bad as initially thought of. While Keystone is by far the best team in the CSAC conference, the Knights could be a viable number two if their JUCO transfers work out and they can get some pitching.

Good luck to UR in the UAA tournament - one that could be played right now in upstate New York with temperatures hitting the mid-40s today with 50s on tap for the middle of the week.




Actually, Neumann may be that bad--1-8 having given up 104 runs.



Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: John McGraw on March 10, 2010, 02:06:35 PM
Quote from: RSSmith on March 08, 2010, 09:42:12 PM
Quote from: John McGraw on March 08, 2010, 02:13:49 PM
Quote from: BoomerIL on March 08, 2010, 01:46:58 PM
Rochester started their season off in Vero Beach on Saturday by splitting a doubleheader with Neumann.  UR winning game 1, 8-6 and losing game 2, 8-3 sure shows that errors, and new season jitters for a young pitching staff, can cost you runs and wins.
//
Sunday was a bit of a different story.  Playing New Jersey City University, UR came out on top 9-2 with a fantastic pitching performance by freshman Nate Kowal. In his first collegiate apperance, Nate went 7 innings giving up 6 hits, 1 earned run, with 2 walks, 8 K's, and 1 wp.  DJ Schwartz (out last season because of rehab from surgery) came in to finish the last two innings allowing 1 hit, 1 earned run, 3 walks, 1 K, and 1 HBP.  According to some spectators, these two kids looked pretty good.  Maybe some of the answers to losing three starters due to graduation may be answered.  Time will tell.

UR continues their Florida trip tomorrow when they play in the UAA Tournament in Sanford , FL. starting Tuesday.

Hello Neumann indeed :)

Actually, Neumann isn't that bad as initially thought of. While Keystone is by far the best team in the CSAC conference, the Knights could be a viable number two if their JUCO transfers work out and they can get some pitching.

Good luck to UR in the UAA tournament - one that could be played right now in upstate New York with temperatures hitting the mid-40s today with 50s on tap for the middle of the week.




Actually, Neumann may be that bad--1-8 having given up 104 runs.





Well, alright I s'pose. Eesh - shows what I know :)
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: airball55 on March 12, 2010, 02:18:29 PM
hello Neumann!!  Who the heck is Neumann??  Anyway, Seinfeld, I mean RPI is off and running.  They smacked Keystone and had a little slip up against WPI, but they appear to be just fine.  U of R is off to a good start as well, which they always seem to do.  Emory win is nice, however, Emory isn't the same Emory of old (Cortland may disagree??).  So far so good for the Liberty League.  St. Lawrence is quietly 5-1 (Tom Fay, 500th victory Congrats!).  They haven't really challenged themselves schedule wise but confidence is big for a young team.  Clarkson starts up this weekend.  Skidmore is 1-1 and I personally look forward to the game they have schedule with Wooster.  If they can hang with them they can hang with anyone in this region.  No clue on Union and Vassar (does is matter??).  All in all, a pretty good start for the Liberty League. 
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BaseB13 on March 13, 2010, 05:30:43 PM
Quote from: anonymous234 on February 27, 2010, 06:24:10 PM
Expect Skidmore's trends to continue as similar to previous years:
Skidmore underachieves during the regular season, especially during non-league games, due to poor coaching.  However, they will most likely make the tournament and do some damage once they stop listening to the coaching and play how the players want to and have fun instead of treating it like a business.  Just going by the last few years and what I've heard. 
Other teams have a lot of question marks that need to be answered (Rochester Pitching, Clarkson Pitching/replacing graduates, St. Law depth and talent that wasn't there last year, etc) so very difficult to predict.

I have a feeling most of the top teams in New York and the country probably take baseball pretty seriously with a business like approach.  Regardless, they're the only team other than RPI to appear in in the NCAA tournament twice in the past five years from the LL.  They also lost a couple close ones in the LL last year.  I think they'll be in the LL tournament again along with the usual suspects, RPI, Clarkson, and Rochester.  SLU could also be in there as well if one of them falters.  Until Vassar or Union make a run at a decent season I have a tough time expecting much from them, but you never know.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: AlleyCat on March 15, 2010, 09:23:03 AM
Looks like the LL is off to a great start. RPI is 6-1 and looking like a team to worry about. They played a real tough schedule in Florida and came out of it 6-1, with the only loss coming to WPI in extras on an error. Uof R is 6-2 and won the UAA, St Lawrence is 6-2 although playing a easier schedule. Skidmore is 2-2 and Clarkson 1-1. Looks like this could be another strong year. Hopefully things work out and the LL can get 2 teams in the show.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: AlleyCat on March 17, 2010, 08:17:55 AM
Skidmore put up a tough fight against #2 Wooster losing 3-1 in extra's. Does anyone know who pitched for Skidmore? LL could be a real exciting with Rochester, RPI, Skidmore, St Lawrence and Clarkson.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: John McGraw on March 17, 2010, 02:54:59 PM
Quote from: AlleyCat on March 17, 2010, 08:17:55 AM
Skidmore put up a tough fight against #2 Wooster losing 3-1 in extra's. Does anyone know who pitched for Skidmore? LL could be a real exciting with Rochester, RPI, Skidmore, St Lawrence and Clarkson.

Skidmore web site says Trevor Brucato was the pitcher.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on March 18, 2010, 12:01:44 AM
Well after watching Rochester play a few games in Florida, they still know how to put runs on the board.  With their speed, (they have five legitmate 25 SB players) and with some new faces in the line-up, they should contend again for the Liberty League title.  The pitching has been a concern, but after watching the new freshman, and having two veterans come back from surgery, I really believe that UR has a better shot at getting to the regional tournament than in the past.  They have a depth staff.

Most will say that their schedule is weak, and many say that the New York region is weak, but then who doesn't play a weak team or two.  And what about the schools that may be in a off-cycle or declining year, or two.  The experts will say that the competition was down this year.  But don't give UR any consideration for improving.  Sure, RPI is always the favorite and for good reason.  Clarkson lost a lot from graduation, but Skidmore and St.Lawrance seem to have improved.  And Union or Vassar could hurt them as well.  That's baseball!!

They have some very good arms now, top to bottom, that will surprise many.  Couple that with their aggressive play and hitting, should be an interesting time in the Liberty League and New York state.  JMHO
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: AlleyCat on March 18, 2010, 08:13:13 AM
Boomer
U of R should have gotten a bid at least one of the past two years. The LL is alot stronger than people think. Clarkson showed that last year beating Cortland and their #1 in the regionals last year. Also, RPI has been in the regional final the last 2 years. U of R, RPI and Skidmore( just lost to #2 Wooster in 13) look very strong. Add Clarkson and St Larence and the league should get 2 bids this year if everyone continues to play well. The SUNYAC also looks strong and hopefully those 2 leagues can protect the NY region.

Just my thoughts.....
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: airball55 on March 18, 2010, 11:38:48 AM
I think it would be great to see Rochester in the tournament.  They will have to prove that they can do it in the conference tournament first though.  If John Mcgraw reads this, would it be an NCAA record with 5 25 stolen base players on the same team in the same season?? 

Let 's play some games first and if things work out the Jackets will eliminate the post season curse that seems to plague them.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on March 18, 2010, 03:20:43 PM
I really wasn't trying to look for any records, just saying that we have speed all through the lineup, with a couple of guys that can crank one every now and then.  Besides, if UR had the big "boomba" hitters, there's no telling how far they could go.  I stiil like their chances with what I have seen coming from their lineup.  And, if the pitching stays healthy, I really believe then can get to the regionals.  Again, time will tell.  They still have to play the games.  JMHO
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on March 20, 2010, 06:47:12 PM
Big game coming up for Rochester on Wednesday.  Cortland visits UR.  Now If I wanted to speculate, like some do on the SUNYAC board, should Rochester beat Cortland, does that mean that Cortland isn't the power that some people think they are this year?  Personally I feel that Cortland has always been the team to beat in New York, and still is, no matter what others may think.  But, now you have to add RPI to that list.  A-a-a-n-n-n-d-d-d don't forget about Ithaca.

Cortland has been banged around on the SUNYAC board because of how they started this season.  DO NOT MAKE ILL COMMENTS THAT MAY BITE YOU LATER!!  Cortland to me has always been "the team" to beat year in and year out in New York.

So, getting back to the UR vs Cortland game, does Rochester gain more credibility and Cortland lose some?  Again, my personal opinion is that Rochester winning or losing this game doesn't really matter much.  Sure, winning it helps UR in some respects.  BUT, how they the finish the season is much more important.  If they can "get over the hump" by winning the conference tournament, or if not, and getting a Pool C bid, then maybe UR gains the credibility they need for more future credible considerations.

Ah, I love when the misinformed public thinks that baseball is a boring game.  Not so, is it???
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: John McGraw on March 21, 2010, 12:08:57 AM
Quote from: BoomerIL on March 20, 2010, 06:47:12 PM
Big game coming up for Rochester on Wednesday.  Cortland visits UR.  Now If I wanted to speculate, like some do on the SUNYAC board, should Rochester beat Cortland, does that mean that Cortland isn't the power that some people think they are this year?  Personally I feel that Cortland has always been the team to beat in New York, and still is, no matter what others may think.  But, now you have to add RPI to that list.  A-a-a-n-n-n-d-d-d don't forget about Ithaca.

Cortland has been banged around on the SUNYAC board because of how they started this season.  DO NOT MAKE ILL COMMENTS THAT MAY BITE YOU LATER!!  Cortland to me has always been "the team" to beat year in and year out in New York.

So, getting back to the UR vs Cortland game, does Rochester gain more credibility and Cortland lose some?  Again, my personal opinion is that Rochester winning or losing this game doesn't really matter much.  Sure, winning it helps UR in some respects.  BUT, how they the finish the season is much more important.  If they can "get over the hump" by winning the conference tournament, or if not, and getting a Pool C bid, then maybe UR gains the credibility they need for more future credible considerations.

Ah, I love when the misinformed public thinks that baseball is a boring game.  Not so, is it???

How does the weather look for Wednesday? Upstate New York games this time of year usually get rained/snowed out.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on March 21, 2010, 01:00:33 AM
Quote from: John McGraw on March 21, 2010, 12:08:57 AM
Quote from: BoomerIL on March 20, 2010, 06:47:12 PM
Big game coming up for Rochester on Wednesday.  Cortland visits UR.  Now If I wanted to speculate, like some do on the SUNYAC board, should Rochester beat Cortland, does that mean that Cortland isn't the power that some people think they are this year?  Personally I feel that Cortland has always been the team to beat in New York, and still is, no matter what others may think.  But, now you have to add RPI to that list.  A-a-a-n-n-n-d-d-d don't forget about Ithaca.

Cortland has been banged around on the SUNYAC board because of how they started this season.  DO NOT MAKE ILL COMMENTS THAT MAY BITE YOU LATER!!  Cortland to me has always been "the team" to beat year in and year out in New York.

So, getting back to the UR vs Cortland game, does Rochester gain more credibility and Cortland lose some?  Again, my personal opinion is that Rochester winning or losing this game doesn't really matter much.  Sure, winning it helps UR in some respects.  BUT, how they the finish the season is much more important.  If they can "get over the hump" by winning the conference tournament, or if not, and getting a Pool C bid, then maybe UR gains the credibility they need for more future credible considerations.

Ah, I love when the misinformed public thinks that baseball is a boring game.  Not so, is it???

How does the weather look for Wednesday? Upstate New York games this time of year usually get rained/snowed out.

As of this post, at this time, the weather calls for sunny skies in the afternoon and temps in the low 50's.  If it is sunny, it could get into the upper 50's by game time.  But as you know, the weather can change in a heart beat.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: AlleyCat on March 22, 2010, 01:50:55 PM
Why do some of the LL teams wait so long after coming back from their Spring Trips to lay again. Doesn't that hurt them? RPI was the only team to play last week during the great weather.

St Lawrence and Rochester didn't have anything scheduled for a great weather week in the horrible northeast.

Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: John McGraw on March 22, 2010, 02:03:29 PM
Quote from: AlleyCat on March 22, 2010, 01:50:55 PM
Why do some of the LL teams wait so long after coming back from their Spring Trips to lay again. Doesn't that hurt them? RPI was the only team to play last week during the great weather.

St Lawrence and Rochester didn't have anything scheduled for a great weather week in the horrible northeast.



Normally because the weather this time of year is terrible. When the schedules are made, we assume this time of year in the northeast, especially in upstate New York, is going to be terrible. And once games are scheduled, you can't really push them up to an off week just because the weather is nice. While it stinks that many teams were inactive with the nice weather, you just don't know what the weather is going to do when you put the schedule together. Let's say a lot of games were scheduled for this past weekend and then we had a giant snow storm. Everything would get pushed back and you'd have a sprint to the finish in April like there usually is.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: airball55 on March 23, 2010, 11:18:04 AM
Geography is the main reason why teams lose that weekend.  SLU and Clarkson are so far north that their only chance of playing is to travel.  But teams traditionally won't reciprocate because of money/chance of snowout.  So these teams are forced to load up on DH's towards the middle and end of season.  Tough road but sometimes it helps a bit come conference tourny time.  These teams are used to playing three and four times the same weekend. 

Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: Ron Ron on March 23, 2010, 07:52:17 PM
Clarkson is 1-6 and heading to RPI this weekend.  Too early to get a little worried about them? Not sure what the talent level is of the teams they played in Florida, but looks like they are having some real trouble replacing some very valuable pieces that were lost after a very successful season...
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: John McGraw on March 23, 2010, 11:01:56 PM
Quote from: Ron Ron on March 23, 2010, 07:52:17 PM
Clarkson is 1-6 and heading to RPI this weekend.  Too early to get a little worried about them? Not sure what the talent level is of the teams they played in Florida, but looks like they are having some real trouble replacing some very valuable pieces that were lost after a very successful season...

Too early to worry? I think so. The spring trip was a mix-mash of teams with varying levels and given what Clarkson lost, I'm not too surprised with a 1-6 mark right now. It's apparent that the team can score runs, they just need to find pitchers to get batters out because it does not look like that is happening. The Knights have a punchers chance to win a slugfest but if their offense is slowed down, that will make for long days.

Clarkson shouldn't fall behind Vassar or Union so the Knights will more than likely slug it out with St. Lawrence for the possible final playoff spot IMO.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on March 24, 2010, 11:39:26 AM
Rochester's home opener today against Cortland has been postponed because of wet grounds.  No make-up date has been scheduled.

UR plays a doubleheader Friday at 2:00p.m., and again Saturday at 12:00p.m. against St. Lawrence.  These are the first conference games for these schools.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: John McGraw on March 24, 2010, 12:19:59 PM
Quote from: BoomerIL on March 24, 2010, 11:39:26 AM
Rochester's home opener today against Cortland has been postponed because of wet grounds.  No make-up date has been scheduled.

UR plays a doubleheader Friday at 2:00p.m., and again Saturday at 12:00p.m. against St. Lawrence.  These are the first conference games for these schools.

That stinks. Here in Syracuse it is sunny and cold though the grass is pretty wet from yesterday's rain/snow mix. If the grass was dry, it wouldn't be too bad a day for baseball.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on March 24, 2010, 08:09:35 PM
Son said the weather today was fine.  Its just the amount of rain they had that affects the field.  To me, the field almost looks like it is situated in a bowl.  The infield wasn't bad, but the outfield holds more water.  I hope they get to make-up the game.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: AlleyCat on March 25, 2010, 08:10:29 AM
Looks like RPI had a stinker losing to Castleton 5-3. They might have been overlooking them for their matchup with Clarkson this weekend in the league.

Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: Ron Ron on March 27, 2010, 04:19:07 PM
Skidmore lost to Vassar in game 1 today 4-3, uh oh. RPI lost to Clarkson in game 1, 5-0.  Couple surprise results to start conference play.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: airball55 on March 28, 2010, 01:49:11 PM
Interesting day indeed for the conference openers.  Clarkson and RPI split, Vassar and Skidmore split and the Jackets sweep St. Lawrence.  SLU commits 10+ errors on day (yikes).  Double digit unearned runs.  RPI up early on Clarkson on day two, nice to see a school have the in game technology on their website. 
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on March 28, 2010, 07:41:39 PM
Quote from: airball55 on March 28, 2010, 01:49:11 PM
Interesting day indeed for the conference openers.  Clarkson and RPI split, Vassar and Skidmore split and the Jackets sweep St. Lawrence.  SLU commits 10+ errors on day (yikes).  Double digit unearned runs.  RPI up early on Clarkson on day two, nice to see a school have the in game technology on their website. 

It is interesting to say the least.  Rochester takes 4 from St. Lawrence, RPI splits with Clarkson 2-2, and Skidmore takes 3 of 4 from Vassar.  I know Rochester has been hitting well as a team, and the pitching has improved.  I'm surprised that RPI struggled with Clarkson considering that everyone was saying that Clarkson lost a lot of pitching.  RPI's pitching, 1 - 4 are really good.  And, Skidmore seems to have improved a lot.  Nobody is safe in this league from a potential breakdown.  I worry about a teams high and low points during a season.  What's going to happen when Rochester faces off against RPI, Clarkson, and Skidmore, not to take anything for granted with Vassar and Union.  UR has a lot to prove this year.  We'll see, its still earlier.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: airball55 on March 28, 2010, 10:06:17 PM
Clarkson just couldn't get going on that southern trip.  Besides, the Golden Knights tend to play better as the season winds on.  They can hit, especially in the top 5 of their order and if the pitchers don't give up to many freebies, they will be in the mix at the end.  I think with St. Lawrence the weak southern schedule bit them a bit for their return north.  Rochester is a tough place to play though and it is never easy to take 4 on the weekend.  Vassar may be improved a bit, they could have had another one from Skidmore.  Weather looks good in the long range forecast next weekend, let's see what week two brings from the LL.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: John McGraw on March 29, 2010, 10:46:11 AM
Clarkson always plays RPI tough or at least has in recent memory.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: AlleyCat on March 30, 2010, 02:23:23 PM
John you are right. It always seems that Clarkson and RPI play to the end. Someone at the game said the left fielder made a great catch running into the wall with the bases loaded and 2 outs to save the game. One of the best catches they had ever seen. Did anyone see the Catch! Other than that not much of a surprise on the opening weekend. RPI always seems to drop a couple of league games early on.  Rochester took care of business as expected as well as Skidmore.  Should be a nice season to keep track of.

Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: Ron Ron on March 30, 2010, 07:31:18 PM
Heard that Vassar's defense (especially up the middle), is vastly improved and can be attributed to how they played Skidmore.  However, still don't have too much depth with the pitching staff, which may cause some problems in the future.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: RochesterBaseball10 on April 04, 2010, 10:38:35 PM
Rochester took 4 from Union. Senior SS Nate Stein hit two grand slams over the course of the weekend.

3 of 4 Rochester starters (including two freshman) looked strong on the mound. This Kowal kid is legit, 4-0 with a sub 0.50 ERA and better than a 3:1 K:BB ratio.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on April 04, 2010, 11:20:40 PM
Quote from: RochesterBaseball10 on April 04, 2010, 10:38:35 PM
Rochester took 4 from Union. Senior SS Nate Stein hit two grand slams over the course of the weekend.

3 of 4 Rochester starters (including two freshman) looked strong on the mound. This Kowal kid is legit, 4-0 with a sub 0.50 ERA and better than a 3:1 K:BB ratio.

Welcome "RochesterBaseball10"!!!

Nice wins to say the least.  Big test coming this week with a single game against St. John Fisher, and a four game series against conference rival RPI next weekend.  A good test for the Yellowjackets.  With freshman Kowal and Menke fitting nicely in the starting rotation, along with that bulldog Ludwig and senior Guzski, the Yellowjackets should have a fun week.  How about our middle relief and new closer, and please don't forget about our offensive monster.  This week should prepare UR for three other tough teams, Ithaca, Skidmore, and Clarkson.  It could be a big year for Rochester if they can knock down the wall that has kept them from winning conference, or gaining a pool bid to the regionals.  A fun time to say the least!!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: Ron Ron on April 05, 2010, 02:03:33 AM
Just what we need... more Rochester homers... Just kidding guys.

Anyway, St. Lawrence was able to come back after a tough weekend to sweep Union.  Looks like Union had 10 errors in one of the games today, not going to win playing like that.  Skidmore was able to take 3-4 from Clarkson with good pitching coming from both sides.  Really looking forward for the match ups between the big teams (RPI, Rochester, Skidmore, Clarkson, St. Lawrence).  Should be exciting.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: baseballislife on April 05, 2010, 07:39:52 AM
Good morning, Liberty league fans.  Sorry Ron Ron, here's another "newbie" Rochester fan.  This weekend will be a good test for the Jackets as RPI seems to be the measuring stick for LL teams.  I have caught parts of UR's four game sets vs. ST. Lawrence and Union these last two weekends.  From what I have seen, they have little trouble putting up runs (except against Brockport, who seems to have their # in recent seasons).

Nice to see King slam the door in game #2 vs. Union after the other reliever struggled some.  Kowal indeed does seem to be legit

The Jackets have taken care of business in LL play so far and can really position themselves in the drivers seat if they have a successful weekend @ RPI.  Good luck UR!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: RochesterBaseball10 on April 05, 2010, 09:50:12 AM
Thanks for the welcome BoomerIL!

Couldn't agree with you more about the offensive "monster" that UR looks like this year. Speed up and down the lineup and power in the 2,3,4 & 5 slots. Stein and Just have both shown gap to gap power already, and Caghan is basically a five tool player.

From the looks of it King is going to be taking over the closer role. I actually like that move because Chanatry can be stronger for more than one inning when given the chance, which is what UR's bullpen needs to find right now. In the seven inning games you can run a stater out there and go right to your closer, but with the full-9's you HAVE to have an arm to go eat up multiple innings (To all of you loyal UR fans, i'm talking about the Gabe Chodaks of the world).

Like Boomer said, this is the part of the schedule in the Liberty League where things heat up. The St. John Fisher-UR rivalry guarantees you a game, and the RPI weekend is always a battle to say the least. The Jackets will need to be firing on all cylinders to come out on top.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: magicman on April 06, 2010, 09:49:14 PM
St. Lawrence falls to visiting Plattsburgh State 11-4 on Tuesday afternoon. Saints record is now 9-8 while Plattsburgh extends their winning streak to 18 games. Plattsburgh is now ranked #23 in the D3baseball.com Top 25 poll and has the best record in Division III at 18-1. The write up for this game can be found here:

http://www.d3baseball.com/
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: baseballislife on April 06, 2010, 09:54:55 PM
Plattsburgh is off to a good start, but don't get too far ahead of yourself.  The only poll that matters is the LAST poll.  Do you play RPI?  I know your not on U of R's schedule.....
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BaseB13 on April 06, 2010, 11:34:25 PM
While being too lazy to check their schedule I will say Plattsburgh has played most LL teams each year in past seasons due to its close proximity to Clarkson St. Lawrence, Skidmore, RPI, and Union.  UR is too big of a hike for a non-conference game now that LL teams basically have to play conference games every weekend but one after their spring trips.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: baseballislife on April 07, 2010, 11:35:07 AM
Yeah, I don't see them playing U of R either, but RPI is not that far and an easy drive down I-87 so I thought maybe they would play them.

I "un-lazied" myself enough to look and see that they do not play them, but are @ Clarkson today.

Good luck Plattsburgh!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BaseB13 on April 07, 2010, 11:47:30 AM
Well done baseballislife.. So Plattsburgh will get 4 games against 3 teams from the LL.  Surprised RPI isn't playing then either but with 24 conference games, another 10 games or so in Florida, that only leaves room for 6 non-conference games on an LL teams schedule.  Any word on how the schedule will work next year with the addition of RIT?
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: airball55 on April 07, 2010, 08:47:40 PM
Clarkson smacks Plattsburgh 14-9.  Out hit them 19-6.  Not close at all.  If your going to lose to stop a winning streak, may as well do it that way I guess.  Still, a great start to the season for the Cards.  Liberty League shaping up with the traditional powers again.  It always comes down to Union and Vassar.  If you can get at least 6 of 8 against them (or all 8 if u are U of R) that pretty much gives you the separation you need.  We will see how this weekend goes.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: AlleyCat on April 08, 2010, 02:40:21 PM
I would have to say that Rochester has to be the favorite going into this weekend with RPI. Rochester is firing on all cylinders and RPI is struggling with its offense. If Rochester wins 3 of 4 the league championship will most likely go through U of R. Clarkson is going to be tough and Skidmore is a battle tested team with very good Division 3 talent. They like to pressure people. I was really surprised on day 2 against Clarkson. Was the wind blowing straight in? Very low scoring games for that field.

Prediction of finish
Rochester 20-4
RPI 18-6
Skidmore 16-8
Clarkson 12-12
St Lawrence 8-16
Union 6-18
Vassar 4-20


Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: airball55 on April 09, 2010, 09:30:49 AM
I will take a shot at this too.

RPI- 19-5
Rochester- 18-6
Skidmore- 14-10
Clarkson- 13-11
St Lawrence- 11-13
Union- 5-19
Vassar- 4-20

Not quite ready to name the Jackets the Liberty League Champs.  If they get thru this weekend 2-2, then they should be.  I see them dropping three of four to RPI, and three of eight to Clarkson and Skidmore.  Big weekends for Clarkson and St. Lawrence with Vassar and Union visiting.  Those are the teams you need to sweep or at least three of four against. 
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on April 09, 2010, 01:16:48 PM
Quote from: airball55 on April 09, 2010, 09:30:49 AM
I will take a shot at this too.

RPI- 19-5
Rochester- 18-6
Skidmore- 14-10
Clarkson- 13-11
St Lawrence- 11-13
Union- 5-19
Vassar- 4-20

Not quite ready to name the Jackets the Liberty League Champs.  If they get thru this weekend 2-2, then they should be.  I see them dropping three of four to RPI, and three of eight to Clarkson and Skidmore.  Big weekends for Clarkson and St. Lawrence with Vassar and Union visiting.  Those are the teams you need to sweep or at least three of four against. 

What do you base your prediction on, past history?  You know as well as I do that you can't.  You may be correct in your predictions, but I guess that you have seen all of the teams play in order for you to make this analysis.  True?

To some statistics and history mean everything, and could be used as indicators, but that isn't always the case since teams change from year to year for the most part.  Granted, UR hasn't been the most successful team in recent memory, but don't judge them like that all of the time.  Their program is improving and continues to improve.  The coach has been bringing in some talented players the last 3-4 years and it starting to show.

I would love to see UR split with RPI this weekend, and Skidmore is really playing solid ball.  Clarkson has always given the Yellowjackets fits.  Come tournament time I give the UR boys a better chance of winning the LL tournament this year than in years past.  Its getting interesting now, and this weekends games for all LL teams should maybe give the pollsters something to think about when they say that New York is a weak region.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: AlleyCat on April 09, 2010, 02:10:05 PM
Boomer,
I am so sick of the pollsters not giving NY and LL teams their due. Yes, Cortland is well represented each year and RPI has made a name for themselves, but U of R should be in the polls. They have been strong for the past three years and Clarkson showed last year that the LL is a lot stronger than people think. Look at Plattsburgh. They have great start and everyone is on their bandwagon. U of R is playing better people and has a great start and nothing.

People need to realize that NY and the LL plays a good brand of ball and needs to be respected. A NY team has a loss and they drop out of anybodies poll. Other regions teams can lose 3 of 4 and they drop 2 spots.  NY deserves more respect.


Just my thoughts.....
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: John McGraw on April 09, 2010, 03:21:30 PM
Quote from: AlleyCat on April 09, 2010, 02:10:05 PM
Boomer,
I am so sick of the pollsters not giving NY and LL teams their due. Yes, Cortland is well represented each year and RPI has made a name for themselves, but U of R should be in the polls. They have been strong for the past three years and Clarkson showed last year that the LL is a lot stronger than people think. Look at Plattsburgh. They have great start and everyone is on their bandwagon. U of R is playing better people and has a great start and nothing.

People need to realize that NY and the LL plays a good brand of ball and needs to be respected. A NY team has a loss and they drop out of anybodies poll. Other regions teams can lose 3 of 4 and they drop 2 spots.  NY deserves more respect.


Just my thoughts.....

Rochester needs to beat teams like St. John Fisher on a regular basis first.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: spectator123 on April 09, 2010, 03:41:43 PM
Quote from: John McGraw on April 09, 2010, 03:21:30 PM
Rochester needs to beat teams like St. John Fisher on a regular basis first.

We just have to win the LL tournament before anyone will begin to show any respect...and then they will probably say it was a fluke.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on April 09, 2010, 04:55:30 PM
Quote from: John McGraw on April 09, 2010, 03:21:30 PM
Quote from: AlleyCat on April 09, 2010, 02:10:05 PM
Boomer,
I am so sick of the pollsters not giving NY and LL teams their due. Yes, Cortland is well represented each year and RPI has made a name for themselves, but U of R should be in the polls. They have been strong for the past three years and Clarkson showed last year that the LL is a lot stronger than people think. Look at Plattsburgh. They have great start and everyone is on their bandwagon. U of R is playing better people and has a great start and nothing.

People need to realize that NY and the LL plays a good brand of ball and needs to be respected. A NY team has a loss and they drop out of anybodies poll. Other regions teams can lose 3 of 4 and they drop 2 spots.  NY deserves more respect.


Just my thoughts.....

Rochester needs to beat teams like St. John Fisher on a regular basis first.

You always make it hard for me to root for my own team, don't you John.  I try to be positive, but always seem to get shot down by another"homer" form some other school or school lover.  Now I know why I have negative karma's.  People bring out the best in me.  I'm tired of trying to be a nice guy.  Look at any of the teams in New York or any other region, and they have their problems as well.  As "spectator said, even if Rochester wins the LL, will they get any credit or respect?  From you or anyone else, I doubt it, especially the Old Westbury coach!!!!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: baseballislife on April 09, 2010, 11:07:52 PM
Just a newbie here and maybe speaking out of turn.....but,

Winning in the post season consistently will force respect.  You can point to just about any championship team in any sport and they knocked on the door before kicking it in more times than not.  And before they won their championship, I would be willing to bet they felt disrespected.  Use it as fuel to focus on the task at hand.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on April 10, 2010, 08:08:14 AM
Quote from: baseballislife on April 09, 2010, 11:07:52 PM
Just a newbie here and maybe speaking out of turn.....but,

Winning in the post season consistently will force respect.  You can point to just about any championship team in any sport and they knocked on the door before kicking it in more times than not.  And before they won their championship, I would be willing to bet they felt disrespected.  Use it as fuel to focus on the task at hand.

You're not speaking out of turn!  I couldn't agree with you more, and I have said this many times before about UR.  You have to prove yourself every game!!!  I understand as John stated, that you have to win the St. John Fisher, or Brockport games as another example, the issue I have is that no one execept me and a few loyal UR fans seem to think these guys can do anything.  Cortland, which I regret I have never watched play UR (once in the last three years due to weather) has always been considered the team to beat in New York.  Their having somewhat of a down year, not to bad, but not as expected.  They have been to CWS.  Emory is another good example.  A few years ago they finished number 2 at the world series.  This year as of this past week, have a sub .500 record.  Do they deserve some love?  

I'm trying to promote the fact that UR has been improving over the last few years, but not enough to win the Liberty League as of yet.  I know that we have the talent to beat the Brockports and Fishers of the world, but they didn't.  So I know that this doesn't give us any respect.  

And just to clarify the St. John Fisher game, Fisher pitched their number 1, and we pitched our middle relievers, not any of the 4 starters.  So, we battled back and fell short.  But, in the eyes of some that doesn't mean anything, except to us UR fans.  I guess stats and polls don't mean anything, its what the final score says at the end of the game.  After all, polls are the basis for selecting a national champion!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: RochesterBaseball10 on April 10, 2010, 09:38:33 AM
Simply can't drop games to local rivals if your making a push for getting into the polls. That said, the thing that makes the liberty league schedule tough is that when you play your non conference games mid week you have to tap into your pitching depth, which for any team can be tough when your getting into your 6 & 7 arms.

Take it from someone who played in the liberty league for the past 4 years and saw some of the ranked non-conference teams, there's really no difference at all in talent. Your put the top tier (UR, RPI, Clarkson) against the top tier of another East Coast conference in a 3-game series with the 1,2 & 3 arms throwing, and I'd take the LL. I say East Coast because I have no exposure to the Chapmans and the Texas-Tylers of the world.

That said, you'd be lying to yourself if you said a 30 win season and no tourny wins will get the Jackets into the tourny. The last two years were 29 wins with 1 tourny win & 30 wins with 0 tourny wins and UR got the shaft. RPI puts up those numbers, they snag a bid. Doesn't seem like rocket science to conclude that in order to make the regional push you need get that first strong run in the tourny.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: spectator123 on April 10, 2010, 09:54:05 AM
Quote from: RochesterBaseball10 on April 10, 2010, 09:38:33 AM
Simply can't drop games to local rivals if your making a push for getting into the polls. That said, the thing that makes the liberty league schedule tough is that when you play your non conference games mid week you have to tap into your pitching depth, which for any team can be tough when your getting into your 6 & 7 arms.

Take it from someone who played in the liberty league for the past 4 years and saw some of the ranked non-conference teams, there's really no difference at all in talent. Your put the top tier (UR, RPI, Clarkson) against the top tier of another East Coast conference in a 3-game series with the 1,2 & 3 arms throwing, and I'd take the LL. I say East Coast because I have no exposure to the Chapmans and the Texas-Tylers of the world.

That said, you'd be lying to yourself if you said a 30 win season and no tourny wins will get the Jackets into the tourny. The last two years were 29 wins with 1 tourny win & 30 wins with 0 tourny wins and UR got the shaft. RPI puts up those numbers, they snag a bid. Doesn't seem like rocket science to conclude that in order to make the regional push you need get that first strong run in the tourny.


RB10
you are correct...
that is what it will take                       
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: airball55 on April 10, 2010, 07:50:23 PM
I see the predictions have started some fun debate.  I think the relative strength of the region has improved and Rochester is one of the teams that have helped that overall.  BTW, it isn't easy beating Fisher and Brockport or anyone else as far as that is concerned.  I just think the teams in the region after Cortland are pretty darn close.  Fisher and Brockport who have beat Rochester this year are pretty good clubs.  How these teams would fare against each other in a four game series is anyone's guess.  I base my rankings on all things considered.  History, current teams, etc....  BTW, don't be surprised if Clarkson or Skidmore comes out of the LL again.  Just my thoughts and opinions. 
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: Ron Ron on April 10, 2010, 09:43:01 PM
Skidmore sweeps St. Michael's today 1-0 and 4-1 as Trevor Brucato throws a no-hitter in the first game and Derek Stork and Zack Rudman team up for a 5 hitter in the second game. 

According to the Skidmore website, "Skidmore's pitching staff is ranked in the top-10 nationally in NCAA Division III ERA (7th, 3.08), hits (3rd, 7.14), and walks (5th, 2.38)."  If their offense can pick things up, they could be tough.  As that old saying goes, "good pitching always beats good hitting."
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: baseballislife on April 10, 2010, 10:12:38 PM
Looks like Rochester took care of both ends today.  Pitching was strong and hitting was there as well.  Very nice day for the Jackets.  If they can at least earn a split tomorrow, they will have set themselves up very nicely for the stretch run.  Those are the kind of wins that are necessary to gain the confidence to get to the next level.  Nice job.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: airball55 on April 10, 2010, 10:18:52 PM
RPI holds Mondo for day two??  Interesting.  good for the Jackets who strike out 12 times in game one versus RPI striking out only once, but still win convincingly.  LL goes through Rochester this year.  Home field advantage not so much the past few years, but there should be an advantage in Rochester.  That field is "unique" needless to say.  If season ended today RPI would be out!!!  Thought that was pretty neat to say.  RPI is not playing well right now.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on April 11, 2010, 12:02:37 AM
The pitching and hitting for Rochester today should raise some eyebrows.  Outside all of the strikeouts in the game, the Yellowjackets put a lot of runners on base, and left a bunch.  Sunday is a different day, and with Mondo and probably Duval going on the mound, I'm really interested in seeing how UR handles those two pitchers.  They're pretty good!!!  Sunday's games will definitely be great to watch.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: spectator123 on April 11, 2010, 08:23:48 AM
Quote from: BoomerIL on April 11, 2010, 12:02:37 AM
The pitching and hitting for Rochester today should raise some eyebrows.  Outside all of the strikeouts in the game, the Yellowjackets put a lot of runners on base, and left a bunch.  Sunday is a different day, and with Mondo and probably Duval going on the mound, I'm really interested in seeing how UR handles those two pitchers.  They're pretty good!!!  Sunday's games will definitely be great to watch.

Even great to listen to on the internet
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: John McGraw on April 11, 2010, 09:49:11 AM
Quote from: BoomerIL on April 11, 2010, 12:02:37 AM
The pitching and hitting for Rochester today should raise some eyebrows.  Outside all of the strikeouts in the game, the Yellowjackets put a lot of runners on base, and left a bunch.  Sunday is a different day, and with Mondo and probably Duval going on the mound, I'm really interested in seeing how UR handles those two pitchers.  They're pretty good!!!  Sunday's games will definitely be great to watch.

Big wins for Rochester, let's see if it can turn the trick today. Even then, three out of four isn't bad. That said, one has to wonder why RPI didn't go with their top two arms on day one.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: spectator123 on April 11, 2010, 10:21:22 AM
Quote from: John McGraw on April 11, 2010, 09:49:11 AM
Big wins for Rochester, let's see if it can turn the trick today. Even then, three out of four isn't bad. That said, one has to wonder why RPI didn't go with their top two arms on day one.

Maybe their coach was thinking if they could take one yesterday with their other starters it would have put them in a great position for today.

In any event, we will see if Rochester can handle these RPI pitchers who each have sub 1.6 ERAs. If Goose and/or Menke can keep us within striking range we stand a decent chance of grabbing a 3rd and/or 4th game from RPI
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: spectator123 on April 11, 2010, 02:03:20 PM
Quote from: John McGraw on April 11, 2010, 09:49:11 AM

Big wins for Rochester, let's see if it can turn the trick today. Even then, three out of four isn't bad. That said, one has to wonder why RPI didn't go with their top two arms on day one.

Well at least 3 for U of R this weekend. Rochester 3 - 2 over RPI in the first game
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: Ron Ron on April 11, 2010, 04:58:46 PM
Skidmore beats SUNY New Paltz 6-2 to complete a 3 game sweep of non-conference opponents. Skidmore pitching gives up 4 hits to finish the weekend only giving up 9 hits.  More stellar pitching.  Looking forward to see what happens against Rochester/RPI/St. Lawrence.

Looks like Rochester swept RPI? RPI falls to 2-6 in conference.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: RochesterBaseball10 on April 11, 2010, 05:04:33 PM
Rochester finishes the sweep with a 6-5 win over RPI.

Absolutely enormous weekend for the Yellowjackets.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on April 11, 2010, 06:44:47 PM
Is it an enormous weekend for UR, or is someone going to say that the wind wasn't blowing in the right direction, or RPI had a stomach ache????  Sarcastic????  Absolutely, because no one is supposed to beat RPI.  They have been annointed by the "pollster guru gods".  

RPI has always had exceptionally good teams, especially their pitching.  But for some reason, when they really don't have the tools, and somebody else does, its because someone has a stomach ache, or isn't hitting, or someone had an off day.  Doesn't that happen to anyone else????

Rochester in recent years has gained some credibility and had some talented players come on board starting in 2006.  They're drawing talented players from both the warm east and west climates, not to mention the midwest.  Nobodies denying the quality of teams every year from Cortland, RPI, Ithaca, and Brockport.  Maybe this year Rochester may get a chance at getting into that group of excellent programs.  Yes, they have to still prove themselves by winning the Liberty League, or gaining an invitation to the regional.  But come on, wouldn't it be o.k. for another New York region team gaining access to the chance of getting to the world series??  The New York region is not weak like some think.  There are just more game following guru's in othr parts of the country, that think they are better than the New York region, thats all.  Check you own polls.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: airball55 on April 11, 2010, 07:02:56 PM
Calm down Dad.  Good lord, you should re-read what you write.  Congrats to Coach Reina, a historic weekend regardless of some of the people on here, for the Jackets.  RPI 2-6 in conference now.  That is historic as well.  The LL tournament certainly goes through Rochester as it has before.  Remember, last time that happended the Jackets finished third.  This writer certainly would like to see Coach Reina get one, he is as due as Clarkson was going into last year. 

Rochester, to me, should be number three in the country right after Arizona St., then Virginia.  I have them right there with Georgia Tech and LSU.  RELAX, win a game in May, then, celebrate.  BTW, other teams have beat RPI, see Skidmore, Clarkson and St. Lawrence who have won each won the LL post season tournament in the past five years
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: Ron Ron on April 11, 2010, 07:42:28 PM
Thanks for the words of wisdom airball.  Yes Rochester had a big weekend.  Yes it looks like the tournament certainly goes through them. And yes, Rochester has been very talented over the last few years.  But there is a reason why RPI gets the attention they do.  They have done some great things for NUMEROUS years, not just the last 3-4.  Rochester has some great talent and looks like they are assuredly knocking on the tournament door, but it is still April and there is plenty of time left.  Be happy for your weekend but quit complaining about the lack of national attention you get when you haven't done anything nationally. 

And for your information, RPI did have a case of the flu going around, so that's why they lost... Just kidding.  Rochester had a great weekend, but one 4-0 weekend does not make them a national powerhouse and 3 or 4 good years with no NCAA Invites does not make them a national powerhouse.  Just my 2 cents.

Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on April 11, 2010, 09:29:47 PM
Quote from: airball55 on April 11, 2010, 07:02:56 PM
Calm down Dad.  Good lord, you should re-read what you write.  Congrats to Coach Reina, a historic weekend regardless of some of the people on here, for the Jackets.  RPI 2-6 in conference now.  That is historic as well.  The LL tournament certainly goes through Rochester as it has before.  Remember, last time that happended the Jackets finished third.  This writer certainly would like to see Coach Reina get one, he is as due as Clarkson was going into last year. 

Rochester, to me, should be number three in the country right after Arizona St., then Virginia.  I have them right there with Georgia Tech and LSU.  RELAX, win a game in May, then, celebrate.  BTW, other teams have beat RPI, see Skidmore, Clarkson and St. Lawrence who have won each won the LL post season tournament in the past five years
Quote from: Ron Ron on April 11, 2010, 07:42:28 PM
Thanks for the words of wisdom airball.  Yes Rochester had a big weekend.  Yes it looks like the tournament certainly goes through them. And yes, Rochester has been very talented over the last few years.  But there is a reason why RPI gets the attention they do.  They have done some great things for NUMEROUS years, not just the last 3-4.  Rochester has some great talent and looks like they are assuredly knocking on the tournament door, but it is still April and there is plenty of time left.  Be happy for your weekend but quit complaining about the lack of national attention you get when you haven't done anything nationally. 

And for your information, RPI did have a case of the flu going around, so that's why they lost... Just kidding.  Rochester had a great weekend, but one 4-0 weekend does not make them a national powerhouse and 3 or 4 good years with no NCAA Invites does not make them a national powerhouse.  Just my 2 cents.



It's really funny when you think about the fact that when I read these posts, I laugh!!  No one ever said that Rochester is going to conquer the world of DIII baseball.  We're just really happy to have beat'n an RPI team that WAS ranked #22 nationally. Flu or no flu.  Now I suppose the wins were not legit??  It figures!!!  Rochester beat inferior talent!!!  O-o-o-ps, I shouldn't have said that.  Bad karma!!!!!

Yah know,  I take what is dished out to me with a "grain of salt."  It's like 2 years ago when I was at RPI, and Carroll was injured.  The next day I asked his father how his son was doing.  He belligerently responded by saying, "how do you think he's doing?  He's hurt"!  I was just trying to show some parental compassion, interest out of respect for an injured kid, son, competitor.  But, when you play against RPI, you don't know what to expect.   Am I gloating about Rochester's wins?  Nope!!  Just glad to see that maybe the world doesn't revolve around RPI, Troy, New York.

If Rochester doesn't win the Liberty League again, fine, I'll take my lumps.  But don't maline the efforts of those kids, and please don't put RPI on a pedestal.  They really don't deserve it.  Now, go ahead and give me those "negative karma's I so much want."  LOL
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: Ron Ron on April 11, 2010, 09:45:42 PM
Where in my post did I maline the accomplishments of Rochester this weekend?  Where did I attack any Rochester players? Where did I put RPI on a pedestal?  All I did was compliment Rochester on a good weekend and congratulate them, while trying to answer your complaints on why RPI gets more attention than Rochester.  It would be great if you could stop taking everything as a slight for a team you do not play for.

And I said they had the flu as a joke, but clearly you can't understand what the words "Just kidding" mean because you become furious at the moment you see anything negative about Rochester written.

Once again, congrats to Rochester on a great weekend.  You took 4 from RPI who is always competitive, but might be having a slight down year (results against Clarkson, WPI, and Castleton St. adding to this claim, not just because they lost to Rochester, so don't think I am taking anything away from UR).  However, there is still a long way to go and if you look at past seasons, excuse me if I'm not ready to hand UR the Liberty League Tournament Championship and an auto bid to Nationals.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: RochesterBaseball10 on April 11, 2010, 10:13:54 PM
A lot of work to do before Rochester is in the Regional tournament. Sweeping RPI in a four-game set on the road is definitely a step in the right direction.

Vassar takes one from Clarkson this afternoon... any word on what happened there?
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on April 11, 2010, 11:27:10 PM
Quote from: Ron Ron on April 11, 2010, 09:45:42 PM
Where in my post did I maline the accomplishments of Rochester this weekend?  Where did I attack any Rochester players? Where did I put RPI on a pedestal?  All I did was compliment Rochester on a good weekend and congratulate them, while trying to answer your complaints on why RPI gets more attention than Rochester.  It would be great if you could stop taking everything as a slight for a team you do not play for.

And I said they had the flu as a joke, but clearly you can't understand what the words "Just kidding" mean because you become furious at the moment you see anything negative about Rochester written.

Once again, congrats to Rochester on a great weekend.  You took 4 from RPI who is always competitive, but might be having a slight down year (results against Clarkson, WPI, and Castleton St. adding to this claim, not just because they lost to Rochester, so don't think I am taking anything away from UR).  However, there is still a long way to go and if you look at past seasons, excuse me if I'm not ready to hand UR the Liberty League Tournament Championship and an auto bid to Nationals.

Thanks Ron Ron.....

I've been a little edgy lately.  I sometimes lose my sense of humor, because like you say, if you haven't proven yourself, you have nothing to say.  I try to be positive about the progress of the program, but all I hear about is "they have to prove themselves."  Very true, but it's nice to have a conversation about a teams players, talent, whatever, without defending the past failures of a team.  I try to be positive and look forward at what direction the team is going, not where they have bee.  Anyway, thanks again for your comments.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: AlleyCat on April 12, 2010, 08:20:46 AM
I went to the games yeaterday and Rochester is legit. They can hit, field and although their pitching is by no means dominant, they keep batters off balance. I've seen RPI in the past and right now it looks like they coudln't hit water if they fell out of a boat in the middle of the ocean. Rochester really impressed me with their approach at the plate. RPI hitters look lost at the plate with no idea of what they're doing.  If RPI doesn't start hitting soon they wont even make the LL playoffs. 

Just my thoughts....
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: John McGraw on April 12, 2010, 11:06:29 AM
Quote from: AlleyCat on April 12, 2010, 08:20:46 AM
I went to the games yeaterday and Rochester is legit. They can hit, field and although their pitching is by no means dominant, they keep batters off balance. I've seen RPI in the past and right now it looks like they coudln't hit water if they fell out of a boat in the middle of the ocean. Rochester really impressed me with their approach at the plate. RPI hitters look lost at the plate with no idea of what they're doing.  If RPI doesn't start hitting soon they wont even make the LL playoffs.  

Just my thoughts....

RPI will be alright. Prior to this past weekend's games, they had played just one game in April, against Old Westbury. Given the constraints of the season, that is a lot of time to have off in between games. The Engineers might just have a little bit of rust on them. They still have doubleheaders with Union, Vassar and St. Lawrence - all very much winnable in terms of at least three out of four IMO. RPI started off in league play with two of its' toughest challengers, Rochester and Clarkson (don't play Skidmore until May) so while the record is shocking for them, I'm sure in the long run they will iron it out and at least get into the playoffs. Keep in mind, this is an RPI team that kicked the hell out of a very good Keystone team in Florida.

Take nothing away from Rochester's accomplishments this weekend but we still have a long way to go in the season, for everyone.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: airball55 on April 12, 2010, 11:57:28 AM
Well said John.  I had the chance to see Vassar this weekend.  They are much improved.  I come away surprised that they didn't get at least one from St. Lawrence.  If they can add a couple of arms they will not be the automatic 3 of 4 team the rest of the league is used to.  How is this for some controversy... I will take a shot at some region rankings based on play up until not.

1.  Cortland
2.  Rochester
3.  St. John Fisher
4.  Skidmore
5.  Plattsburgh
6.  New Paltz
Then, throw all these teams in...  Ithaca, RPI, Brockport, Oneonta, etc...  I don't know a lot about the other conferences like Keuka, SUNY IT but I can't consider any of those programs on the basis of strength of schedule alone.  Thoughts??
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: RochesterBaseball10 on April 12, 2010, 08:12:52 PM
Rochester 18-4 ;Cortland 21-6

Both teams played Emory
-Rochester wins 9-6
-Cortland loses 7-18

Both teams played Brockport
-Rochester loses 2-6
-Cortland wins twice: 11-6 and 13-4

Too bad their March 24th game got rained out. Without that game it is tough to decide who is 1 in the region but with Cortlands history I can see where people would rank them first

Fisher beat Rochester but they are 15-8 overall so I also agree with Rochester being ranked ahead of them. The two play again at Fisher on the 28th which will be a huge game for regional points. Looks like Fisher also gets Cortland on the 29th! That's a huge stretch of games for the Cardinals.

My only greivance would be putting Fisher over Skidmore at 16-5. Skidmore is coming off a big win against New Paltz. I cant speak to any of Fishers loses down in PA, but dropping one to Brockport and two to RIT is enough for me to put them below a hot Skidmore team. I think the only thing keeping Fisher in talks of the 3 and even the 4 slot is that Rochester win.

Huge games for Skidmore and Rochester when the get together on the 24th and 25th for a 4-game set.


The New York region is heating up! Great time of year for some great baseball!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: URFlorida on April 13, 2010, 10:07:30 AM
Good morning gents ... new to dashboard, please be patient and gentle with me ... while I get the hang of this, thank you.  :)
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: magicman on April 13, 2010, 07:38:13 PM
Plattsburgh State defeats visiting St. Lawrence 11-6 this afternoon.

Plattsburgh 11 runs 18 hits 3 errors

SLU 6 runs 5 hits 0 errors

The Cardinals jumped out to a 4-1 lead after 1 and added 1 in the 5th and 3 more in the 7th to make it 8-1. SLU scored 2 in the 8th but Plattsburgh put 3 on the board in the bottom half of the inning. Saints with 1 hit, 2 Plattsburgh errors and 3 walks scored 3 in the top of the 9th to make the final 11-6.

Plattsburgh improves to 21-4 and St. Lawrence drops to 11-10.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: Ron Ron on April 14, 2010, 11:56:01 PM
Via Skidmore athletics website:

"Through April 11, baseball junior Trevor Brucato (Stamford, Conn.) was the national leader in hits allowed per nine innings with 3.6 and ranks fourth in the country with a 0.9 ERA. Teammates Derek Stork (Penn Yan, N.Y.) and Spencer Marcus (Scarsdale, N.Y.) also rank high statistically. Stork ranks 10th in hits allowed per nine with 5.4 and Marcus' six victories rank 14th among Division III pitchers."

Skidmore pitching vs. Rochester hitting enticing anyone else?
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: baseballislife on April 15, 2010, 06:53:53 AM
Ron Ron,

You can put me on the list of those looking forward to that matchup. UR put up 19 more runs yesterday and ran their record to 20-4.

UR has a couple freshman pitchers that people should be taking notice of as well.....Nate Kowal is 5-0 with a 1.38 ERA and Corey King has closed with great effectiveness, allowing 0 earned runs and only three hits in 10 innings of work.

Should be a great series.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: URFlorida on April 15, 2010, 09:26:39 AM


On the Skidmore / Rochester match up ... pitching and defense wins "big games" ... with that said, I would give the "offensive" edge to Rochester.  It will be an interesting match up indeed.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: airball55 on April 16, 2010, 10:03:45 PM
I still think that no one does more with less then Coach Plourde at Skidmore.  They do have a slight edge right off of the bat being at home on that "field."  All grass, tricky hops, short porch in left.... just a weird place for college baseball.  Player for player obviously the edge goes to Rochester.  Skidmore hasn't played the level of teams that Rochester has, their best weekend was the 3 out of 4 against Clarkson and that is a good weekend for them.  Liberty league still up for grabs in the 3,4,and 5 spots.  With that said, they still have to go to St. Lawrence this weekend and that won't be easy.

Predictions:

Rochester 4-0 against Vassar, Vassar will keep one if not two close.
RPI 3-1 against Union, Union usually gets em once.
Skidmore and St. Lawrence split 2-2.

Thoughts??
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BaseB13 on April 16, 2010, 11:57:14 PM
Pretty sure the porch is just as short in right at Skidmore and its not particularly short or deep... average for a college field I'd say.  Rochester's left field power alley is the shortest by far.  It's just very deep down the line.  Is Clarkson's field still cut outs like Skidmore's?  I actually think it's not a bad idea to have the grass infield given the weather conditions in upstate NY.  Unless of course you can get a brand new playing surface like SLU did a few years ago.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on April 17, 2010, 08:22:43 AM
Looks like weather is going to be a big factor in New York this weekend.  Could put pressure on some teams.  JMHO
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: airball55 on April 17, 2010, 09:47:09 AM
Clarkson has a traditional cut out now.  Actually, the best fields in the LL may be the northern ones at Clarkson and St. Lawrence.  U of R is a strange place indeed.  Short in left center then a bomb into right center.  Dugouts literally right on top of the plate.  The short RPI right field line is fun as well.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: baseballislife on April 17, 2010, 09:23:32 PM
Word is U of R is getting a new field within three years max, maybe sooner.  It will field turf, which in the upstate new york climate should definitely be an advantage and eliminate some cancellations.

Lights, new dugouts and a clubhouse with recruit entertainment deck...should be very nice.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: URFlorida on April 17, 2010, 11:36:36 PM

Rochester wins 2-games against Vasser today, the weather was cold and very windy ... the key difference in the games was Rochester's varied, offense approach.  They won both games, mixing in home runs (long balls), bunts and running the bases very aggresively (small ball) ... very impressive (kept Vasser off balance all day).  The pitching was solid, even more so when you factor in the weather ... very tough pitching conditions.

Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: Ron Ron on April 18, 2010, 05:12:40 AM
How is cold weather poor pitching conditions?  In my opinion, that is great pitching conditions because that makes life on the hitter even worse.  URFlorida you must have never played baseball because if you did, you would understand that cold weather works against the hitter, not the pitcher.  UR pitching did a bad job against Vassar and the offense bailed them out, just admit it.  Cold Weather = pitcher friendly, all day everyday.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on April 18, 2010, 07:33:06 AM
Quote from: URFlorida on April 17, 2010, 11:36:36 PM

Rochester wins 2-games against Vasser today, the weather was cold and very windy ... the key difference in the games was Rochester's varied, offense approach.  They won both games, mixing in home runs (long balls), bunts and running the bases very aggresively (small ball) ... very impressive (kept Vasser off balance all day).  The pitching was solid, even more so when you factor in the weather ... very tough pitching conditions.


Quote from: Ron Ron on April 18, 2010, 05:12:40 AM
How is cold weather poor pitching conditions?  In my opinion, that is great pitching conditions because that makes life on the hitter even worse.  URFlorida you must have never played baseball because if you did, you would understand that cold weather works against the hitter, not the pitcher.  UR pitching did a bad job against Vassar and the offense bailed them out, just admit it.  Cold Weather = pitcher friendly, all day everyday.

Ron Ron.....

That is exactly the point URFlorida was trying to make!!!!  Whether anyone played baseball or not, both teams pitchers have to have a difficult time with the cold weather.  If the pitcher's fingers/hands get cold, they lose some of the grip on their pitches, consequently losing some control.  That's just plain common sense!!  The hitters had the advantage with a number or well grooved pitches.  Another thing, no team is perfect.  If Rochester's pitchers struggle, and their offense puts up the runs, and then win the games, what difference does it make.  Everyone knows that pitching is key, but so is defense and putting up runs.  UR is averaging over 9 runs per game. 
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: airball55 on April 18, 2010, 09:37:22 AM
Recruitment deck!!  Wow, wish I was going thru the playing college ball process again I want to ge to Rochester!  That's a nice move, they need a field there bad.  Liberty League has some nice facilities and they are getting better.  Maybe someday Skidmore will step up to the plate as well.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: pudge27 on April 18, 2010, 01:19:22 PM
Quote from: BoomerIL on April 18, 2010, 07:33:06 AM
Quote from: URFlorida on April 17, 2010, 11:36:36 PM

Rochester wins 2-games against Vasser today, the weather was cold and very windy ... the key difference in the games was Rochester's varied, offense approach.  They won both games, mixing in home runs (long balls), bunts and running the bases very aggresively (small ball) ... very impressive (kept Vasser off balance all day).  The pitching was solid, even more so when you factor in the weather ... very tough pitching conditions.


Quote from: Ron Ron on April 18, 2010, 05:12:40 AM
How is cold weather poor pitching conditions?  In my opinion, that is great pitching conditions because that makes life on the hitter even worse.  URFlorida you must have never played baseball because if you did, you would understand that cold weather works against the hitter, not the pitcher.  UR pitching did a bad job against Vassar and the offense bailed them out, just admit it.  Cold Weather = pitcher friendly, all day everyday.

Ron Ron.....

That is exactly the point URFlorida was trying to make!!!!  Whether anyone played baseball or not, both teams pitchers have to have a difficult time with the cold weather.  If the pitcher's fingers/hands get cold, they lose some of the grip on their pitches, consequently losing some control.  That's just plain common sense!!  The hitters had the advantage with a number or well grooved pitches.  Another thing, no team is perfect.  If Rochester's pitchers struggle, and their offense puts up the runs, and then win the games, what difference does it make.  Everyone knows that pitching is key, but so is defense and putting up runs.  UR is averaging over 9 runs per game. 


Boomer.  Try to relax a bit.  I think URFlorida was trying to COMPLIMENT UR.  Not every post here is meant to criticize the Jackets.  UR is having a nice year.  Try to enjoy it a bit.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: Ron Ron on April 18, 2010, 03:45:31 PM
The pitcher is out there every inning throwing pitches and staying warm.  The batter steps up every 9 guys to stand there after standing in the field the whole time.  Hitters don't have the opportunity to get/stay as warm as a pitcher.  It is also more painful for a hitter to hit in cold weather (especially with wood) than it is for a pitcher to pitch in cold weather.  Cooler weather is an advantage for pitchers (think October playoff baseball).  They just talked about this in the Sox/Rays game on TBS.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: airball55 on April 18, 2010, 05:51:22 PM
Remember, Vassar is in Florida and Rochester is in Texas.  It does get cold from time to time in NY.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: airball55 on April 18, 2010, 07:08:46 PM
RPI easy over Union.  Second game both secondaries struggled a bit, final score 26-13.  Rochester keeps rolling but Vassar resisted some.  If Vassar can get an arm or two, they will be a tough series.  St. Lawrence and Skidmore split and I would expect the same tomorrow.  Clarkson with a nice sweep of a hot Brockport team at home.  Clarkson is better then the sub .500 record and a team I would not want to face in the tournament. 
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on April 18, 2010, 09:35:43 PM
Quote from: pudge27 on April 18, 2010, 01:19:22 PM
Quote from: BoomerIL on April 18, 2010, 07:33:06 AM
Quote from: URFlorida on April 17, 2010, 11:36:36 PM

Rochester wins 2-games against Vasser today, the weather was cold and very windy ... the key difference in the games was Rochester's varied, offense approach.  They won both games, mixing in home runs (long balls), bunts and running the bases very aggresively (small ball) ... very impressive (kept Vasser off balance all day).  The pitching was solid, even more so when you factor in the weather ... very tough pitching conditions.


Quote from: Ron Ron on April 18, 2010, 05:12:40 AM
How is cold weather poor pitching conditions?  In my opinion, that is great pitching conditions because that makes life on the hitter even worse.  URFlorida you must have never played baseball because if you did, you would understand that cold weather works against the hitter, not the pitcher.  UR pitching did a bad job against Vassar and the offense bailed them out, just admit it.  Cold Weather = pitcher friendly, all day everyday.

Ron Ron.....

That is exactly the point URFlorida was trying to make!!!!  Whether anyone played baseball or not, both teams pitchers have to have a difficult time with the cold weather.  If the pitcher's fingers/hands get cold, they lose some of the grip on their pitches, consequently losing some control.  That's just plain common sense!!  The hitters had the advantage with a number or well grooved pitches.  Another thing, no team is perfect.  If Rochester's pitchers struggle, and their offense puts up the runs, and then win the games, what difference does it make.  Everyone knows that pitching is key, but so is defense and putting up runs.  UR is averaging over 9 runs per game. 


Boomer.  Try to relax a bit.  I think URFlorida was trying to COMPLIMENT UR.  Not every post here is meant to criticize the Jackets.  UR is having a nice year.  Try to enjoy it a bit.

pudge27......

Please reread my post.  I was defending URFlorida's opinion.  Secondly, why is it when I post something, someone takes what I say out of context?  Realistically when you think about it, Ron Ron is correct as well.  They both have valid points.  Also, I know Ron Ron was not criticizing the UR!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: URFlorida on April 18, 2010, 10:47:49 PM

I'm flattered that my relatively simple statement, complementing UR's varied offensive approach, stirred up so many additional comments.  This is fun ... Ron Ron, please bring it on ... I'd be more than happy to discuss baseball's "finer points" with you.  As for your comments regarding who has the advantage in cold weather, obviously you have never pitched.   

Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: Ron Ron on April 18, 2010, 11:05:29 PM
College Pitcher and OF'er.  Have done both and will tell you I'd rather have to pitch on a cold day than hit on a cold day.  Just look at October baseball.  Most people will argue it is harder to hit in cold weather than it is to pitch in cold weather.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: Ron Ron on April 18, 2010, 11:13:51 PM
http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/temperature-effects/
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: airball55 on April 19, 2010, 12:12:58 AM
Guys, we are digging way to deep into this weather stuff.  Our players, pitchers or hitters are used to playing in cold weather.  It is a disadvantage for both.  With under armor, batting gloves, etc... it is better than it used to be for hitters.  But, the game does slow down, for everyone.  A pitcher who usually sits 85 probably won't be throwing like that when the weather gets colder.  This is why southern D1 programs like northern pitchers, they aren't used to the year round nice weather and their upside is a bit higher.

Bottom line, I think Clarkson and St. Lawrence both would LOVE the temps. to be in the 40's when people travel north because those kids tend to be a bit more accustomed to it.  Good players will make plays regardless of the temperature.  Just my two cents I guess. 

BTW, Vassar should have got at least one in that series, they are improving.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on April 19, 2010, 07:32:36 AM
Quote from: airball55 on April 19, 2010, 12:12:58 AM
Guys, we are digging way to deep into this weather stuff.  Our players, pitchers or hitters are used to playing in cold weather.  It is a disadvantage for both.  With under armor, batting gloves, etc... it is better than it used to be for hitters.  But, the game does slow down, for everyone.  A pitcher who usually sits 85 probably won't be throwing like that when the weather gets colder.  This is why southern D1 programs like northern pitchers, they aren't used to the year round nice weather and their upside is a bit higher.

Bottom line, I think Clarkson and St. Lawrence both would LOVE the temps. to be in the 40's when people travel north because those kids tend to be a bit more accustomed to it.  Good players will make plays regardless of the temperature.  Just my two cents I guess. 

BTW, Vassar should have got at least one in that series, they are improving.

Vassar is probably a pitcher or two, and a big stick away from really contending.  Their freshman ss is the real deal.  He made some awesome plays and can hit.  Vassar is on the up swing, and yes, they maybe should have one the last one.  They were home team Sunday, and had 2 outs in the top of the 9th when UR came back.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: reddragon00 on April 19, 2010, 07:59:42 AM
Checking to see what happend in liberty League.  Sounds like Vassar is much improved.  I agree with BoomerIL that with that new facility, Vassar is very close.  Rochester needs something!  Feild is not a college baseball field!  Hopefully, UR steps up...hell they have the money!  Looks like Rochester pitching is struggling a bit.  Even though they are winning right now, you all know that it comes down to pitching depth and bullpens in posteseason.  I figured this would be a probelm for a club like UR.  All that said. 24-4 is very good for this team.  Keep in mind, they lost 3 of 4 conference staters and there 3-4-5 hole hitters.  I have known Coach Reina for about 9 years.  Not sure how they do it, but his boys come ready to play. Hopefully they perform n the post season.  Maybe that will get the field done quicker!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on April 19, 2010, 05:44:17 PM
Quote from: reddragon00 on April 19, 2010, 07:59:42 AM
Checking to see what happend in liberty League.  Sounds like Vassar is much improved.  I agree with BoomerIL that with that new facility, Vassar is very close.  Rochester needs something!  Feild is not a college baseball field!  Hopefully, UR steps up...hell they have the money!  Looks like Rochester pitching is struggling a bit.  Even though they are winning right now, you all know that it comes down to pitching depth and bullpens in posteseason.  I figured this would be a probelm for a club like UR.  All that said. 24-4 is very good for this team.  Keep in mind, they lost 3 of 4 conference staters and there 3-4-5 hole hitters.  I have known Coach Reina for about 9 years.  Not sure how they do it, but his boys come ready to play. Hopefully they perform n the post season.  Maybe that will get the field done quicker!

Granted it's tough losing guys like Park, Veenama, and Toland.  However the two new freshman starters aren't doing to poorly, and our lefties are pretty good also.  Depth of pitching is everyones concern going into tournament time.  As far as the 3-4 and 5 hitters, well when you have a team average of .359, and the "new" 3-4 and 5 hitters are hitting .462, .420, and .386, I think they'll be o.k.

The big thing for Rochester this year is that everyone is getting on base, and then someone is contributing to bringing them in to score runs.  Just look at their extra base hits, SLG%, and OBP.  Not to mention their stolen bases.  There are still a lot of games left, and anything can happen.  And, Vassar......they are for really.  Unfortunately they're losing some fine seniors. 

Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: AlleyCat on April 20, 2010, 08:01:53 AM
Looks like RPI is starting to hit which is a good sign for them. Mondo didn't start this weekend. Anyone know whats going on with that? Cieszko, the closer stepped in yesterday and threw a shutout. The league race for playoff positions is on. Rochester will be hosting, but who will the next three be?
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: LLbaseball on April 20, 2010, 09:36:04 AM
Hey guys.... new to this board.
I am a Rochester resident and follow U of R baseball pretty close.  I agree with everyone that they are the best team in the league..... but I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw Vassar play on Sunday.  They are a solid ball club.  I have met Coach Martin before and he is a true baseball guy.  First class all the way and a great teacher of the game.  Those kids believe in him and it is going to happen there.... very soon, like next year!  Martin has worked his butt off to get that program out of the gutter.  Totally impressed with the direction that program is going.

Rochester is well coached, tough, smart, and physical.  I hope they can pull it off this year....
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: spectator123 on April 20, 2010, 08:57:10 PM
Rochester  5
Ithaca        2

11 innings
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: RochesterBaseball10 on April 20, 2010, 10:27:13 PM
Solid road win for the Jackets.

Ithaca is having a down year but is always tough to beat at Freeman Field.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: URFlorida on April 21, 2010, 12:50:30 AM

Great game for Rochester today ... close, tough game that they had to work hard to win.  Pitching and defense was great, the offense came through in the end (after leaving 12+ runners stranded).  Today's game will serve them well in preparation for their playoff run !!!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: baseballislife on April 21, 2010, 10:18:57 AM
Down year or not, a road win in Ithaca is big.  Ithaca is still Ithaca and non-conference regional games matter come selection time.

Congrats to Rochester.....those are the type of wins that will get the program to the next level.  Keep on keepin' on.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: AlleyCat on April 21, 2010, 11:38:52 AM
Rochester came up big while pitching the relievers. Out hitting Ithaca 16 to 6. As long as Rochester doesn't stumble ending the year they should have a bid even if they don't win the LL tourney. Rochester is legit again and probably should have had at least one bid in the last 2 years. This year they will go and show people why they belong. 

The LL has a real shot at getting 2 teams even if Rochester wins the LL tourney they will be hosting. Skidmore is playing real well and RPI seems to be hitting the ball again which could make them tough.

The LL deserves more credit that it is given!!!!!

Just my thoughts.....

Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: airball55 on April 21, 2010, 09:24:00 PM
Here is to the LL getting two teams, but it is never automatic for this league to get two teams.  RPI traditionally sneaks in when they don't get the automatic but that has been sketchy the past few years.  Rochester isn't in yet and just needs to take care of business in the conference tournament.  Let's not put the cart before the horse.  Skidmore has played an awful schedule with the only quality win coming against a New Paltz team who may not even make their conference tourn.  They did get three of four against Clarkson who is better then their record but from a power rating standpoint their strength of schedule is awful.  Who is Becker anyway??  I thought that was a TV show.  I still think Clarkson and Skidmore could come out of the Liberty League, we will see. 
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BBFan62 on April 22, 2010, 08:31:01 AM
Well, I'm new to board and will be involved for at least the next four years, as my son is one of the Freshmen Rochester players. So far it has been fun. Yep, still a long ways to go and anything can happen, as judged by the second Vassar game on Sunday. All I can say is so far we've made the pitches when we had to make them and have come up with the timely hit when we had to get it. Our guys know that despite what has happened to this point, they need to continue to work hard and make the plays.
While our pitching staff might not be the number one staff, it is a young staff, with only one senior. It's a different story with the position players, as three are seniors, and very productive at that!
I'm glad Skidmore has live stats, as I'll be hanging around the computer this weekend.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: AlleyCat on April 23, 2010, 03:32:47 PM
Any predictions on this weekend in the LL.

I'll take a shot
Rochester/Skidmore - Rochester 3 of 4
RPI/Vassar - RPI 3 of 4
Clarkson/Union - Clarkson 3 of 4

Rochester 19-1
Skidmore 9-7
St Lawrence 9-7
RPI 9-7
Clarkson 9-7

What a race for the playoffs this could be!!!!!

Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: airball55 on April 23, 2010, 09:50:03 PM
Nice stuff, this could get interesting.  Here is what I will pick:

Skidmore/ U of R- Split 2-2.  although I think Rochester is much better overall, Skidmore on that all grass field is tough to beat 3 of 4. 

RPI/Vassar-  I am going with a Redhawks sweep, but wouldn't at all be surprised to see Vassar get one.  RPI just doesn't have that swagger and is vulnerable after Mondo.

Clarkson/Union-  Tough call.  Clarkson typically doesn't play well at Union.  Clarkson is good enough to beat anyone, Torbitt needs to be in the line-up for them though.  If Torbitt is in I will take Clarkson 3-4, if not that becomes a bit more shaky.  Four teams at 9-7 would be neat though.  Skidmore still has to play RPI, Clarkson still has Rochester and SLU.  St. Lawrence has Clarkson and RPI.  Every team has there destinies in their own hands with a slight edge to RPI who finishes with Vasser, Skidmore and St. Lawrence.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: spectator123 on April 24, 2010, 03:02:31 PM
Rochester 5
Skidmore 2
final
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: spectator123 on April 24, 2010, 06:18:10 PM
Skidmore 7
Rochester 2
Final

Looks like Sunday will be huge if they don't get rained out
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: airball55 on April 24, 2010, 09:23:54 PM
Pretty much par for the course today minus Vassar getting one at RPI, but, we all acknowledged that could have been a possibility.  Good for Vassar.  The race is on for those 2-3-4 spots.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: LLbaseball on April 25, 2010, 11:51:54 AM
I see that D'Agostino left Union earlier in the week.... Does anyone know what happened there?

Also, Vassar and RPI are rained out and making the games up on Tuesday.... wouldn't be surprised to see Vassar take another one.....
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on April 25, 2010, 05:06:08 PM
Skidmore takes two today from Rochester, 6-5 in 9 innings the first game, and 6-0 on a 1 hit shutout by Laracuente.  Skidmore is definitely in the mix for the Liberty League conference title with probably the best staff in the conference.  I may be a Rochester "homer," but I do give credit where credit is due.  Rochester won the last 8 games prior to this weekend.

Rochester is 26-7, while Skidmore moves to 21-8.  The LL tournament will definitely be fun to follow.   
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BaseB13 on April 25, 2010, 06:03:15 PM
Quote from: BoomerIL on April 25, 2010, 05:06:08 PM
Skidmore takes two today from Rochester, 6-5 in 9 innings the first game, and 6-0 on a 1 hit shutout by Laracuente.  Skidmore is definitely in the mix for the Liberty League conference title with probably the best staff in the conference.  I may be a Rochester "homer," but I do give credit where credit is due.  Rochester won the last 8 games prior to this weekend.

Rochester is 26-7, while Skidmore moves to 21-8.  The LL tournament will definitely be fun to follow.   

It seems Skidmore does have some solid pitching.  When a teams #4 arm is throwing a 1 hit shutout against the #21 team in the country, then their staff must be pretty solid/deep.  Stills seems like Rochester would have to lose all four vs Clarkson to blow the opportunity to host.  Both Skidmore and Clarkson still have some tough conference games coming up as well.

Vassar/RPI cancelled today.  Legitimate chance RPI could miss the LL tournament. 

C
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on April 25, 2010, 06:43:08 PM
Quote from: BaseB13 on April 25, 2010, 06:03:15 PM
Quote from: BoomerIL on April 25, 2010, 05:06:08 PM
Skidmore takes two today from Rochester, 6-5 in 9 innings the first game, and 6-0 on a 1 hit shutout by Laracuente.  Skidmore is definitely in the mix for the Liberty League conference title with probably the best staff in the conference.  I may be a Rochester "homer," but I do give credit where credit is due.  Rochester won the last 8 games prior to this weekend.

Rochester is 26-7, while Skidmore moves to 21-8.  The LL tournament will definitely be fun to follow.   



It seems Skidmore does have some solid pitching.  When a teams #4 arm is throwing a 1 hit shutout against the #21 team in the country, then their staff must be pretty solid/deep.  Stills seems like Rochester would have to lose all four vs Clarkson to blow the opportunity to host.  Both Skidmore and Clarkson still have some tough conference games coming up as well.

Vassar/RPI cancelled today.  Legitimate chance RPI could miss the LL tournament. 

C

Last week against Vassar, Rochester came from behind to win the last game on Sunday.  I watched all of UR's games last weekend.  I carried with me the stats of the LL teams, records, toatl and conference, team BA, and team ERA.  Skidmore had the best at that.  Our kids have been hitting like crazy, and I'm not taking anything away from the Skidmore pitching this weekend.  They could have easily swept UR, but our guys didn't get any timely hitting.

For what ever reason, RPI is struggling this year.  I think they really miss Marchese, even though he is only one player, but I think he was a big factor.  I always say, "one player does not make a team, but then can make a difference."  I believe Marchese is one of those players.  Having said that, Clarkson is sort of flying under the radar, but still posses a problem for the remaining teams they face, which includes Rochester.

I really believe that the Liberty League will, and is gaining ground as teams to consider in the New Region.  If Rochester finishes like I hope they do, and has Skidmore, Clarkson, and RPI in the mix as well, who knows what will happen come regionals.  Sure, Cortland is always the favorite, but I think the LL will gain somemore credibility.

The next few weeks will be intense for me and the Rochester faithful!!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: airball55 on April 25, 2010, 07:45:23 PM
I agree that other teams have a good chance to come out of the conference tournament.  The LL has better depth than in years past.  Skidmore, on that "field", is a tough team to play.  I remember a poster on here stating about how poorly coached they are!!  I don't agree with that assessment at all, and that would have been said even if U of R took all four.  Home field trumps all with that team though, Rochester still has a huge advantage if they host and it still looks that way.  RPI is a strange team this year.  They roll against good competition in Florida, then in 10 games at HOME against Clarkson, Rochester and Vassar they are a combined 3-7.  That certainly has never happened in the past.  Still with 8 games left so much can change for most of these teams.  I agree 100% with the Clarkson post.  They were there last year and that experience means so much.  They had a good road sweep of Union, something they traditionally don't do. 
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BaseB13 on April 25, 2010, 09:22:38 PM
Quote from: airball55 on April 25, 2010, 07:45:23 PM
I agree that other teams have a good chance to come out of the conference tournament.  The LL has better depth than in years past.  Skidmore, on that "field", is a tough team to play.  I remember a poster on here stating about how poorly coached they are!!  I don't agree with that assessment at all, and that would have been said even if U of R took all four.  Home field trumps all with that team though, Rochester still has a huge advantage if they host and it still looks that way.  RPI is a strange team this year.  They roll against good competition in Florida, then in 10 games at HOME against Clarkson, Rochester and Vassar they are a combined 3-7.  That certainly has never happened in the past.  Still with 8 games left so much can change for most of these teams.  I agree 100% with the Clarkson post.  They were there last year and that experience means so much.  They had a good road sweep of Union, something they traditionally don't do. 

I think your overstating the "home field" advantage that their field provides.  I don't think it makes a difference at all.  Other than maybe allowing them to get more games in.  Regardless, chances are it won't be there anyways.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: AlleyCat on April 26, 2010, 08:36:06 AM
Rochester and Skidmore are locks for the tourney. That said, I believe that RPI could miss the tourney for the first time ever. They don't seem to have the fight they once did. They played great in Florida against great competition and now are struggling against very average teams. Skidmore always pressures teams into making mistakes, which is why they always play the better teams tough. Clarkson hits the ball well, which could make them tough. St Lawrence seems to be hanging around. We'll have to see wht happens this week in the LL. It's going to be the week to set the tourney in my eyes.

Just my thoughts.....
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: airball55 on April 26, 2010, 09:05:50 AM
I think home field is absolutely HUGE for Skidmore and Rochester.  Skidmore, on that grass surface has won it before when they hosted.  I think if they have to travel to U of R then the results from the weekend would change.  As for Rochester, with their history of postseason failures, I am sure they would love to play at home.  Although they seem to play as well on the road in the regular season, that field as well offers a lot of coziness for the home club with the fan section in left center, the uniqueness of the park, etc...  RPI and Clarkson could probably care less as they have seemed to do fine on the road in the postseason.  RPI probably wants to travel, if they get in.  I do think that this Rochester club is different from the one that hosted in 07, and the depth of the offense lends itself for more success in post season play.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: DefenseWins on April 26, 2010, 10:00:45 AM
Quote from: airball55 on April 26, 2010, 09:05:50 AM
I think home field is absolutely HUGE for Skidmore and Rochester.  Skidmore, on that grass surface has won it before when they hosted.  I think if they have to travel to U of R then the results from the weekend would change.  As for Rochester, with their history of postseason failures, I am sure they would love to play at home.  Although they seem to play as well on the road in the regular season, that field as well offers a lot of coziness for the home club with the fan section in left center, the uniqueness of the park, etc...  RPI and Clarkson could probably care less as they have seemed to do fine on the road in the postseason.  RPI probably wants to travel, if they get in.  I do think that this Rochester club is different from the one that hosted in 07, and the depth of the offense lends itself for more success in post season play.



Judging by the scores and box's i would say that UR wouldnt have faired much better at their home field. Skidmores pitching is what won them 3 of 4 and looking at the stats of their staff they are the deepest 1-4 in my opinion. Heard the first game between the two on sunday was ugly as can be, with a misplayed fly ball in the infield leading to skidmore letting rochester tie it up. and 5 of UR's 6 runs were unearned.

Rpi continues to struggle, dropping one to Vassar this weekend. They just are not the powerhouse this year and are beatable by everyone. I dont see them contending even if they make the tourny.


My Prediction is a UR Skidmore Final in the LL championship with an outside team other than those two being clarkson
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BBFan62 on April 26, 2010, 12:36:25 PM
Regardless of what happens it has been and is a fun and exciting season thus far. My hat goes off to the Skidmore staff as they did a great job of holding the Rochester offense. On paper, both staffs matched up well, particularly when you look at the conference games. There will be some exciting years to come, as the Rochester starters Menke & Kowal are freshmen and Ludwig is a junior. The Rochester closer, King, is also a freshman. Skidmore will have Brucato and Laracuente back next year. (A special "atta boy" to him for his 1 hitter). Other underclassmen on both staffs will step up too.
Baseball is baseball, regardless of how the runs are tallied, so I wouldn't really call it ugly.
Home field is a big advantage for everyone, as the home players get to sleep in their own beds and do not have to worry about traveling. Having said that, this coming weekend is huge for Rochester as they control their own situation, and will be traveling.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: baseballislife on April 26, 2010, 03:08:50 PM
Always the optimist, I think that was a good spot for an "off" weekend for the U of R.  Taking nothing away from Skidmore's pitching staff, who did a great job, the Jackets were a ninth inning HBP away from a weekend split.  They have been a quite a roll and were due to come back to Earth a little bit.  That is baseball.  It's about focus and confidence and not getting too high or too low.

They are still in control for home field advantage and that should be huge for them come tournament time.  I think this year's team will rid themselves of the "can't win the big ones" tag they have been saddled with in recent years.  Gotta love this time of year!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: Truthfinder on April 27, 2010, 09:26:36 AM
Weekend predictions:

Rochester goes 2-2 at Clarkson
Skidmore 3-1 vs. Union
And I'll say it: SLU goes 3-1 vs. RPI.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: LLbaseball on April 27, 2010, 09:32:55 AM
Predictions:

Today:  RPI and Vassar split 1-1

Weekend:   Rochester splits with Clarkson  2-2
Skidmore sweeps Union 4-0
SLU splits with RPI 2-2
Vassar splits with Hamilton 1-1

Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on April 27, 2010, 12:02:22 PM
Quote from: LLbaseball on April 27, 2010, 09:32:55 AM
Predictions:

Today:  RPI and Vassar split 1-1

Weekend:   Rochester splits with Clarkson  2-2
Skidmore sweeps Union 4-0
SLU splits with RPI 2-2
Vassar splits with Hamilton 1-1



Rochester had better do more than a 2-2 split with Clarkson.  Going from #21 in the polls with 145 points down to being out of the top 25 with only 2 votes, speaks volumes about losing those games to Skidmore.  If Rochester doesn't far any better than a 2-2 split, they may not host the conference tournament this year.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: DefenseWins on April 27, 2010, 02:08:27 PM
what are the hosting scenarios???? has anyone broken down the possibilities of UR not hosting?
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: reddragon00 on April 27, 2010, 02:56:42 PM
BoomerIL.....I do agree with you.  It looks like the Rochester offense never got off the bus for the weekend.  The top of the order on Sunday did NOTHING!  That is tough on a Conference weekend.  Your all know that teams are tested during the year.  This maybe Rochester's test.  Being a young team, they better hop they wake up before Wednesday's game vs. Fisher.  That is a big game for them.  As for the polls.......those guys rank programs, not teams.  Look at the pre-season poll and look at it know.  Never cared for them and they dont mean a whole lot.  Hope ROchester gets to host because if it is at Skidmore.....WOW what a dump of a field.  Haven't seen it is about 5 years but it was god aweful then.  Did they do any work to it?
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: spectator123 on April 27, 2010, 03:03:51 PM
Quote from: DefenseWins on April 27, 2010, 02:08:27 PM
what are the hosting scenarios???? has anyone broken down the possibilities of UR not hosting?

Rochester needs 3 of 4 vs Clarkson  to host at home without any help from anyone else
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: baseballislife on April 27, 2010, 03:13:30 PM
I really do not see the "sky falling" for UR.  Even after the Skidmore series, they still lead the league (looking at league games only) with 9.3 runs per game.  Only RPI is even close at 8.2.  In baseball, everybody has off days, off series', etc.

I would put UR's top 4 hitters against anybody in the region.

They are still 17-3 in the league and 26-7 overall........and still in the drivers seat.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: airball55 on April 27, 2010, 04:02:32 PM
Baseball ebbs and flows.  Rochester is fine, they have won a couple of games they could have easily lost and vice versa.  They have a nice club, but, are not like a Cortland in the Sunyac where they would have to have an off weekend to not win the conference tourny.  Weekend predictions:

Vassar/Hamilton- Vassar gets em both, I am on the Brewer train!
SLU/ RPI-  I have the Engineers getting 3 of 4, still trying to figure out who these guys are
Skidmore/Union-  I have Skidmore getting 3 of 4, Union usually gets one in this series
Rochester/Clarkson-  Tough call here.  Clarkson is dangerous, but that's a tough place to play, I will go with 2-2 but could see Rochester getting 3 here.  Rochester is still in the mix for an at large even if they don't win the conf. tournament and need to pile up home wins... could another Medaille/Keuka/D'youville/ or other crap school game be in the mix to up the numbers??  In region wins are vital.

Regional Rankings Prediction:

1. Cortland
2. Rochester
3. St. John Fisher
4. Skidmore
5. Farmingdale (awful schedule!!) and because we have to have someone from this league
6. tie-  Plattsburgh, Oneonta
8. RPI

Thoughts??
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BBFan62 on April 27, 2010, 06:39:51 PM
Well, as far as hosting the conference tournament, it appears it can only be Rochester, Skidmore or Clarkson.

Currently:
Rochester 17 -3 Games left:4 - Clarkson
Skidmore 11-5 Games:8 Union 4, RPI 4
Clarkson 10-6 Games: 8  Rochester 4, St. Lawrence 4

ST. Lawrence 9-7, games 8 RPI 4, Clarkson 4

RPI 9-7 games: 8 SLU 4, Skidmore 4
As Boomer stated, Rochester needs 3 to lock it up. Anything less could require outside help. Fasten the seat belts; it's going to be fun and nerve racking!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: DefenseWins on April 27, 2010, 07:08:07 PM
Quote from: baseballislife on April 27, 2010, 03:13:30 PM
I really do not see the "sky falling" for UR.  Even after the Skidmore series, they still lead the league (looking at league games only) with 9.3 runs per game.  Only RPI is even close at 8.2.  In baseball, everybody has off days, off series', etc.

I would put UR's top 4 hitters against anybody in the region.

They are still 17-3 in the league and 26-7 overall........and still in the drivers seat.


It is not very often that an offense wins you the big games or the LL title or SUNYAC title etc.... Pitching and defense. You can rant about UR's offense all you want but if their pitchers do not produce they will not win.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: baseballislife on April 27, 2010, 07:59:03 PM
DefenseWins,

You are right.....they will have to step it up.  That said....their runs allowed per game (league) is still third best of the seven teams.  Come tourney time, they will have to be the best.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on April 27, 2010, 08:26:31 PM
Quote from: DefenseWins on April 27, 2010, 07:08:07 PM
Quote from: baseballislife on April 27, 2010, 03:13:30 PM
I really do not see the "sky falling" for UR.  Even after the Skidmore series, they still lead the league (looking at league games only) with 9.3 runs per game.  Only RPI is even close at 8.2.  In baseball, everybody has off days, off series', etc.

I would put UR's top 4 hitters against anybody in the region.

They are still 17-3 in the league and 26-7 overall........and still in the drivers seat.


It is not very often that an offense wins you the big games or the LL title or SUNYAC title etc.... Pitching and defense. You can rant about UR's offense all you want but if their pitchers do not produce they will not win.

Skidmore's pitchers have been flying under the radar most of the season.  I had notes with me during the Vassar series that compared the ERA's and BA's of the LL teams.  Skidmore's team ERA's were, and are the best.  UR is in the middle 4's.  Not good, but not bad.  We all know pitching and errorless ball are probably the most important.  UR though, has some other assets like their team BA's (not last weekend) and lots of speed.  They can create scoring opporunities top to bottom.

I've been around the last few years when Rochester faded the last 1 to 2 weeks of the season.  This team is different in many respects, and to me better.  All teams have their off days/series'.  Cortland had team, RPI had team, Skidmore had team, etc., etc.  I'm not writing Rochester off at all!!!  They have much to prove to the nay sayors.  They have three goals they've set for themselves this season; win the Liberty League Tournament, get to the regionals, and win 30+ games.  Don't get me wrong, facing Skidmore again in the tournament will be interesting, as will playing the other participants.  They need to win 3 from Clarkson to realize one of their goals, and move up to the next level.  These guys can do it!!!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: DefenseWins on April 28, 2010, 01:19:57 PM
Got word that Paul Mound was coaching with Reynolds after Unions firing of the former coaching staff. The person they hired was hired because of his familys relationship with the college, had zero coaching expierience, and from what i heard did a AWFUL job with the kids he had at Union. Congrats to Paul and shame on unions "superiors" for hiring based on politics rather than who was qualified and who deserved the job based on expierience and baseball pedigree. Hopefully this program does not suffer for this wrongdoing
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: airball55 on April 28, 2010, 07:09:57 PM
Rochester thumped by St. John Fisher 10-2.  Tough weekend for them at Clarkson where they traditionally don't have a lot of success.  Some good ball up north with that DH and RPI at St. Lawrence. 
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: AlleyCat on April 29, 2010, 10:30:44 AM
Another big weekend in the LL. Rochester at Clarkson, RPI at St Lawrence and Skidmore / Union. Any predictions on the outcomes this weekend?

Rochester and Clarkson  - Split
RPI and St Lawrence - RPI 3 of 4
Skidmore and Union - Skidmore 3 of 4

Rochester 19-5
Skidmore 14-6
Clarkson 12-8
RPI 12-8
St Lawrence 10-10

Just my thoughts...
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: airball55 on April 29, 2010, 10:47:24 AM
Solid predictions.  I screwed up an earlier post, Rochester travels to Clarkson not the other way around.  I am right on board with those.  I could see RPI waking up and getting St. Lawrence for four, but that may be a stretch.  If Clarkson pitches well, I could see them going for a series win against Rochester.  Vassar had a nice win yesterday against New Paltz.  LL on the rise!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on April 29, 2010, 11:01:56 AM
Quote from: airball55 on April 28, 2010, 07:09:57 PM
Rochester thumped by St. John Fisher 10-2.  Tough weekend for them at Clarkson where they traditionally don't have a lot of success.  Some good ball up north with that DH and RPI at St. Lawrence. 

For once.....I'm speechless!!!!!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: baseballislife on April 29, 2010, 12:44:19 PM
From 26-4 to 26-8, the only way for UR to "right the ship" is to go up and get, at minimum, a split in Clarkson.  I believe they will get it done.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BBFan62 on April 29, 2010, 09:42:02 PM
I think Rochester will be okay as well. However, we have finals next week,(like I'm sure everyone does), which does impact some guys. My son is a tad worried, as he has 2 on Monday and the guys won't get back to UR until late Sunday. Our conference starters, Ludwig, Kowal, Menke, and Guszki have done well in conference games, as has our closer, Corey King. I think the team is pressing a bit, but I know our Senior group will be ready. Me? I'll be pacing all weekend, as Clarkson does not have live stats, and the 14 1/2 drive is just a bit too long for me to do and still make work on Monday. But, in the end, regardless of what happens, we'll be in the playoffs. I just wish we could have skipped this weekend, let our guys prepare for their finals next week, and complete the task in a relaxed manner. Oh well, it is what it is.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: airball55 on April 30, 2010, 10:53:28 AM
Such is baseball.  You aren't remotely as bad as the four game losing streak nor as good as the 26-4 record.  Things even out in this region usually unless you have the depth of Cortland.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: URFlorida on May 01, 2010, 03:29:08 PM

UR vs. Clarkson "is" on Live Stats - http://www.sidearmstats.com/clarkson/baseball/index.htm

UR drops game 1 (5-2) ... needs to rebound in game two.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: Truthfinder on May 01, 2010, 04:16:32 PM
Rochie will split today ... but SLU not getting it done in G1 vs RPI will haunt the Saints.

Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on May 01, 2010, 05:10:33 PM
Lightning delay with light rain at Rochester/Clarkson game 2 at Clarkson.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: airball55 on May 01, 2010, 05:15:38 PM
Low scoring games to start the day.  Clarkson gets first game, RPI 1-0 over St. Law. and Union gets Skidmore in game one 3-2.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: Truthfinder on May 01, 2010, 05:51:32 PM
Union gets a split despite scoring one run all day, and Rochester and Clarkson will likely have to play 2-1/2 games tomorrow.

Does this mean SLU-RPI game 2 was weather-affected as well? Remember, that's day 2 of that series, so if they don't finish their set that's a HUGE PROBLEM for the Saints.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: Truthfinder on May 01, 2010, 07:48:00 PM
Correction -- Union gets a split with 3 runs.
And well done by SLU, getting a HUGE split today.
The final days are going to be wild.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: Ron Ron on May 02, 2010, 04:10:06 AM
Interesting no one noted this:
On Thursday, April 19, D3baseball.com released its regional rankings

New York Region In-Region Record Overall Record
1. Cortland State 22-3-1 27-7-1
2. Skidmore 17-6 22-8
3. Plattsburgh State 18-7 28-8
4. Rochester 25-7 26-9
5. St. John Fisher 20-10 21-10
6. Staten Island 24-9 26-9

That has Skidmore ahead of Rochester.  If things stay similar to this, can Skidmore gain an at-large bid? (course the loss to Union doesn't help Skidmore. Unacceptable. Maybe Rochester makes up ground with the 2.5 games they will be playing against Clarkson. Real excited to see how the league shakes up)
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on May 02, 2010, 09:32:27 AM
Quote from: Ron Ron on May 02, 2010, 04:10:06 AM
Interesting no one noted this:
On Thursday, April 19, D3baseball.com released its regional rankings

New York Region In-Region Record Overall Record
1. Cortland State 22-3-1 27-7-1
2. Skidmore 17-6 22-8
3. Plattsburgh State 18-7 28-8
4. Rochester 25-7 26-9
5. St. John Fisher 20-10 21-10
6. Staten Island 24-9 26-9

That has Skidmore ahead of Rochester.  If things stay similar to this, can Skidmore gain an at-large bid? (course the loss to Union doesn't help Skidmore. Unacceptable. Maybe Rochester makes up ground with the 2.5 games they will be playing against Clarkson. Real excited to see how the league shakes up)

That ranking makes no sense to me!!  Sure, Skidmore takes three from Rochester, but to be ahead of Rochester in the poll?????  If it were RPI that had UR's record and Skidmore took three from RPI, RPI would still be ahead of Skidmore in the poll.  Everyone knows there is no love for Rochester.  You saw that in last weeks poll dropping UR completely out of the top 25.  Those type of conference losses happen all across the country with other teams, but because those"elite" teams that make it to the regionals each year, or almost each year, get the benefit of the doubt.  There is too much emphasis put on past performance.  And how can the pollster voters know what teams are like from coast-to-coast if they don't watch every game??  Word-of-mouth recommendations from fellow voters??  Really????? 
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on May 02, 2010, 09:37:06 AM
Quote from: Truthfinder on May 01, 2010, 05:51:32 PM
Union gets a split despite scoring one run all day, and Rochester and Clarkson will likely have to play 2-1/2 games tomorrow.

Does this mean SLU-RPI game 2 was weather-affected as well? Remember, that's day 2 of that series, so if they don't finish their set that's a HUGE PROBLEM for the Saints.

According to information given following the suspension of yesterdays rain delayed second game between Rochester and Clarkson, the game will be finished today.  They are scrapping the 7 inning game and playing the 9 inning game.  So, it will be 1-1/2 games today.  Should UR win both, it appears that they would host the Liberty League tournament.  If they don't win both today, then they would need help from other teams in order for them to still host the tournament. 
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: OshDude on May 02, 2010, 09:45:14 AM
Quote from: BoomerIL on May 02, 2010, 09:32:27 AM
Quote from: Ron Ron on May 02, 2010, 04:10:06 AM
Interesting no one noted this:
On Thursday, April 19, D3baseball.com released its regional rankings

New York Region In-Region Record Overall Record
1. Cortland State 22-3-1 27-7-1
2. Skidmore 17-6 22-8
3. Plattsburgh State 18-7 28-8
4. Rochester 25-7 26-9
5. St. John Fisher 20-10 21-10
6. Staten Island 24-9 26-9

That has Skidmore ahead of Rochester.  If things stay similar to this, can Skidmore gain an at-large bid? (course the loss to Union doesn't help Skidmore. Unacceptable. Maybe Rochester makes up ground with the 2.5 games they will be playing against Clarkson. Real excited to see how the league shakes up)

That ranking makes no sense to me!!  Sure, Skidmore takes three from Rochester, but to be ahead of Rochester in the poll?????  If it were RPI that had UR's record and Skidmore took three from RPI, RPI would still be ahead of Skidmore in the poll.  Everyone knows there is no love for Rochester.  You saw that in last weeks poll dropping UR completely out of the top 25.  Those type of conference losses happen all across the country with other teams, but because those"elite" teams that make it to the regionals each year, or almost each year, get the benefit of the doubt.  There is too much emphasis put on past performance.  And how can the pollster voters know what teams are like from coast-to-coast if they don't watch every game??  Word-of-mouth recommendations from fellow voters??  Really????? 
Those rankings are from the NCAA. D3baseball.com has no say in those.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: airball55 on May 02, 2010, 10:06:33 AM
Everyone does not hate Rochester.  Personally I thought it was a joke that St. John Fisher was ranked behind Rochester after sweeping them this season.  I posted this on the other board... I would go this way:

1. Cortland
2. St. John fisher
3. Rochester
4. Skidmore
5. Oneonta
6. Plattsburgh

A bit of a change taking into consideration yesterday's games.  Plattsburgh's quality of wins out of conference along with Skidmore's drops them.  I also refuse to put the college of Staten Island or Farmingdale in the top 6. 
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on May 02, 2010, 10:44:09 AM
Quote from: OshDude on May 02, 2010, 09:45:14 AM
Quote from: BoomerIL on May 02, 2010, 09:32:27 AM
Quote from: Ron Ron on May 02, 2010, 04:10:06 AM
Interesting no one noted this:
On Thursday, April 19, D3baseball.com released its regional rankings

New York Region In-Region Record Overall Record
1. Cortland State 22-3-1 27-7-1
2. Skidmore 17-6 22-8
3. Plattsburgh State 18-7 28-8
4. Rochester 25-7 26-9
5. St. John Fisher 20-10 21-10
6. Staten Island 24-9 26-9

That has Skidmore ahead of Rochester.  If things stay similar to this, can Skidmore gain an at-large bid? (course the loss to Union doesn't help Skidmore. Unacceptable. Maybe Rochester makes up ground with the 2.5 games they will be playing against Clarkson. Real excited to see how the league shakes up)

That ranking makes no sense to me!!  Sure, Skidmore takes three from Rochester, but to be ahead of Rochester in the poll?????  If it were RPI that had UR's record and Skidmore took three from RPI, RPI would still be ahead of Skidmore in the poll.  Everyone knows there is no love for Rochester.  You saw that in last weeks poll dropping UR completely out of the top 25.  Those type of conference losses happen all across the country with other teams, but because those"elite" teams that make it to the regionals each year, or almost each year, get the benefit of the doubt.  There is too much emphasis put on past performance.  And how can the pollster voters know what teams are like from coast-to-coast if they don't watch every game??  Word-of-mouth recommendations from fellow voters??  Really????? 
Those rankings are from the NCAA. D3baseball.com has no say in those.

Thanks for the clarification!!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on May 02, 2010, 10:54:03 AM
Quote from: airball55 on May 02, 2010, 10:06:33 AM
Everyone does not hate Rochester.  Personally I thought it was a joke that St. John Fisher was ranked behind Rochester after sweeping them this season.  I posted this on the other board... I would go this way:

1. Cortland
2. St. John fisher
3. Rochester
4. Skidmore
5. Oneonta
6. Plattsburgh

A bit of a change taking into consideration yesterday's games.  Plattsburgh's quality of wins out of conference along with Skidmore's drops them.  I also refuse to put the college of Staten Island or Farmingdale in the top 6. 

I know everyone doesn't hate Rochester, its just difficult to see these kids have a tough time getting credit for their success this season.  Yes, their bats have fallen silent the last five games, or at least haven't found the openings through the infield or outfield gaps.  The bats are in a slump.  They're pressing and they know it.  They can see that they're not far from hosting the LL tournament, and even possibly going to the regionals for the first time.  They really want it badly, and the next few games will give us an indicator as to how things will pan out.  Those losses to Skidmore and St. John Fisher were big.  Both good programs, but they felt they should have at least split the series with each.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on May 02, 2010, 11:37:39 AM
Quote from: BoomerIL on May 02, 2010, 09:37:06 AM
Quote from: Truthfinder on May 01, 2010, 05:51:32 PM
Union gets a split despite scoring one run all day, and Rochester and Clarkson will likely have to play 2-1/2 games tomorrow.

Does this mean SLU-RPI game 2 was weather-affected as well? Remember, that's day 2 of that series, so if they don't finish their set that's a HUGE PROBLEM for the Saints.

According to information given following the suspension of yesterdays rain delayed second game between Rochester and Clarkson, the game will be finished today.  They are scrapping the 7 inning game and playing the 9 inning game.  So, it will be 1-1/2 games today.  Should UR win both, it appears that they would host the Liberty League tournament.  If they don't win both today, then they would need help from other teams in order for them to still host the tournament. 

According to yesterdays story on UR's web site, 2-1/2 games are to be played today between Rochester and Clarkson.  This is wrong information according to a parent who was at the games yesterday.  According to the umpires, NCAA rules prohibit 3 games being played in a day.  So, the second game from yesterday will be finished, and a nine inning game will be the second game for today.  I guess until it is made official from an umpire or coach, we have to wait and see if this is the case.

The parent that was at the games yesterday said that when the rains came, the game was stopped, no one came out to cover the mound or field.  The rains lasted approximately 45 minutes according to the parent.  The rains became a little drizzle, and the umpires and coaches stood on the field in the drizzle for another 40 minutes or so and decided to suspend the game, according to the parents information.  The field could have been worked to get it ready again for play, but no effort was made to do so.  If the mound and field were covered immediately, the game could have been finished, according to the parent thar was there.

So now what happens?  How are the final league standings affected by both Rochester and Clarkson having one less conference game played??
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: Truthfinder on May 02, 2010, 02:12:52 PM
Wow, this could get messy.

Rochester probably gets the No. 1 seed anyway. Let's say they lose the 2:15 p.m. game today and finish 18-5. Skidmore would need to win out to get to 18-6 -- but if that happened, the Thoroughbreds could certainly scream holy hell about possibly getting hosed.

Alas, let's stick to what's more relevant and probable.

Let's say Clarkson loses the 2:15 p.m. game today. They'd be 11-8, a half-game up on 11-9 SLU and RPI. Wouldn't this throw tiebreakers into a huge mess? I mean, let's say SLU and Clarkson split next weekend. Could a 13-10 Clarkson team get into the LL tourney over a 13-11 SLU team?
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: pudge27 on May 02, 2010, 02:30:33 PM
Quote from: BoomerIL on May 02, 2010, 09:32:27 AM
Quote from: Ron Ron on May 02, 2010, 04:10:06 AM
Interesting no one noted this:
On Thursday, April 19, D3baseball.com released its regional rankings

New York Region In-Region Record Overall Record
1. Cortland State 22-3-1 27-7-1
2. Skidmore 17-6 22-8
3. Plattsburgh State 18-7 28-8
4. Rochester 25-7 26-9
5. St. John Fisher 20-10 21-10
6. Staten Island 24-9 26-9

That has Skidmore ahead of Rochester.  If things stay similar to this, can Skidmore gain an at-large bid? (course the loss to Union doesn't help Skidmore. Unacceptable. Maybe Rochester makes up ground with the 2.5 games they will be playing against Clarkson. Real excited to see how the league shakes up)

That ranking makes no sense to me!!  Sure, Skidmore takes three from Rochester, but to be ahead of Rochester in the poll?????  If it were RPI that had UR's record and Skidmore took three from RPI, RPI would still be ahead of Skidmore in the poll.  Everyone knows there is no love for Rochester.  You saw that in last weeks poll dropping UR completely out of the top 25.  Those type of conference losses happen all across the country with other teams, but because those"elite" teams that make it to the regionals each year, or almost each year, get the benefit of the doubt.  There is too much emphasis put on past performance.  And how can the pollster voters know what teams are like from coast-to-coast if they don't watch every game??  Word-of-mouth recommendations from fellow voters??  Really????? 


In lieu of some high tech algorithm, I think that Skidmore taking 3 from UR is a pretty darn good reason to rate them ahead of them.  UR really can't complain at all.  Didn't you also drop 2 to Fisher and are ranked ahead of them?  This ranking is a gift.  I don't think that most people in NY have a dislike for Rochester, but you are putting many of us on a fast track in that direction. 

I'd like to give an opinion on the national rankings.  This is just an opinion and I don't really know nothing from nothing.  Keep in mind that this is D3 BASEBALL.  The peope who vote can't possibly see everyone play.  And YES, you DO have to develop a good reputation before you find yourself consistently in the top 25.  I can tell you from some experience that you shouldn't expect to be in the top 25 unless you've at least MADE regionals for a couple of years running, no matter how good you THINK you are.  If someone in Wisconsin has a vote and has to choose between UR or Skidmore vs RPI or Ithaca or Cortland, guess who gets the vote.

The bottom line if you think a certain team is very talented and they can't seem to beat anybody after mid April, they ain't that good!!!  If UR can come out and win their league tourney and make it to regionals, that's great.  Do it again next year and then you'll have that reputation to expect a good ranking.  Until then, just beat people on the field and park the conspiracy theories. 
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: airball55 on May 02, 2010, 03:24:01 PM
I think that is pretty well said.  I have Rochester ahead of Skidmore also because they are ahead of them in their league.  The conversation on here is meant to be fun, informational and possibly speculative.  But, some people have a lot more invested in particular programs to look at things from an unbiased perspective.  Cortland gets what they get because they have been good since pretty much the civil war!!  No one outside of our region even cares about Rochester, Fisher, Skidmore, etc... because they are not consistently in the picture.  When that day comes, then, the Jacket fans can complain abou tlack of respect.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: trider400t on May 02, 2010, 05:21:36 PM
Quote from: airball55 on May 02, 2010, 03:24:01 PM
I think that is pretty well said.  I have Rochester ahead of Skidmore also because they are ahead of them in their league.  The conversation on here is meant to be fun, informational and possibly speculative.  But, some people have a lot more invested in particular programs to look at things from an unbiased perspective.  Cortland gets what they get because they have been good since pretty much the civil war!!  No one outside of our region even cares about Rochester, Fisher, Skidmore, etc... because they are not consistently in the picture.  When that day comes, then, the Jacket fans can complain abou tlack of respect.

Rochester lost three times to Skidmore.  The NCAA Committee has not ignored that.  I would worry more about the way the team is hitting.  The pitching is already a question mark and guess what?  Pitching is what counts in league tournaments and NCAA regional play and it looks like Rochester has none.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BBFan62 on May 02, 2010, 05:50:10 PM
Quote from: trider400t on May 02, 2010, 05:21:36 PM
Quote from: airball55 on May 02, 2010, 03:24:01 PM
I think that is pretty well said.  I have Rochester ahead of Skidmore also because they are ahead of them in their league.  The conversation on here is meant to be fun, informational and possibly speculative.  But, some people have a lot more invested in particular programs to look at things from an unbiased perspective.  Cortland gets what they get because they have been good since pretty much the civil war!!  No one outside of our region even cares about Rochester, Fisher, Skidmore, etc... because they are not consistently in the picture.  When that day comes, then, the Jacket fans can complain abou tlack of respect.

Rochester lost three times to Skidmore.  The NCAA Committee has not ignored that.  I would worry more about the way the team is hitting.  The pitching is already a question mark and guess what?  Pitching is what counts in league tournaments and NCAA regional play and it looks like Rochester has none.

Well, that's the type of thinking we like. Our pitching just might surprise some people. I'm not worried about the pitching; or defense is usually at a level that it compliments the pitching. Some of our key hitters have been in a mini slump........if they come out of it, now that they know they'll host the conference tourney, it could be a fun ride.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: URFlorida on May 02, 2010, 06:34:57 PM

Well that's why we play the games ... if it were that easy to predict the outcomes, there would be no need to play the games.  I have to "reluctantly" agree ... until Rochester wins games when it counts, they are "just" a good team.  In order to claim "greatness" ... we have to win some playoff games.  ps: I'm "certain" that we will turn some heads this year in the playoffs ... and for years to come (but that's just my prediction).  :)
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: nyy2344nyy on May 02, 2010, 06:52:48 PM
Quote from: URFlorida on May 02, 2010, 06:34:57 PM

Well that's why we play the games ... if it were that easy to predict the outcomes, there would be no need to play the games.  I have to "reluctantly" agree ... until Rochester wins games when it counts, they are "just" a good team.  In order to claim "greatness" ... we have to win some playoff games.  ps: I'm "certain" that we will turn some heads this year in the playoffs ... and for years to come (but that's just my prediction).  :)

A good comeback weekend for UR after the Skidmore debacle and now they get to host the conference tournament.  A definate advantage, while the other 4 top teams battle it out in the last conference weekend for the final 3 spots.  Should be a great weekend to watch.

UR has been moving forward over the past few years and if they can get over the end of year and conference tournament issues over the past few years, they may continue on the path to becoming one of the teams others talk about in the NY Region!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: Truthfinder on May 02, 2010, 06:53:48 PM
So if my math is correct ...

-- Rochester clinches the regular-season title.
-- Skidmore clinches a berth in the tournament, since Clarkson, SLU and RPI all can't get to 14 wins.
-- And everything else is an absolute mess, especially with Clarkson now holding a half-game edge over SLU and RPI.

This is going to be a hell of a weekend coming up.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: spectator123 on May 02, 2010, 06:57:16 PM
I wonder if it could turn out that Rochester and Clarkson might have to play the game...the timing could be a problem. We wouldn't know until Sunday night.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: Truthfinder on May 02, 2010, 07:02:33 PM
Quote from: spectator123 on May 02, 2010, 06:57:16 PM
I wonder if it could turn out that Rochester and Clarkson might have to play the game...the timing could be a problem. We wouldn't know until Sunday night.

I foresee no way that happens. The conference has never taken that step, I don't think.

But who knows.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: nyy2344nyy on May 02, 2010, 07:04:27 PM
Quote from: Truthfinder on May 02, 2010, 06:53:48 PM
So if my math is correct ...

-- Rochester clinches the regular-season title.
-- Skidmore clinches a berth in the tournament, since Clarkson, SLU and RPI all can't get to 14 wins.
-- And everything else is an absolute mess, especially with Clarkson now holding a half-game edge over SLU and RPI.

This is going to be a hell of a weekend coming up.

IF and its a big IF, RPI beats Skidmore 4-0 next weekend, and either Clarkson or St. Lawrence also sweep, Skidmore could be mathematically eliminated.  Not very likely....

So, 3 teams fighting for the last 2 spots is the most likely scenario!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: nyy2344nyy on May 02, 2010, 07:06:59 PM
Quote from: Truthfinder on May 02, 2010, 07:02:33 PM
Quote from: spectator123 on May 02, 2010, 06:57:16 PM
I wonder if it could turn out that Rochester and Clarkson might have to play the game...the timing could be a problem. We wouldn't know until Sunday night.

I foresee no way that happens. The conference has never taken that step, I don't think.

But who knows.
I don't think that it would be necessary, because no matter the outcome Rochester would host.  May be an issue if Clarkson is on the outside looking in after next weekend!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: nyy2344nyy on May 02, 2010, 07:11:28 PM
Quote from: nyy2344nyy on May 02, 2010, 07:06:59 PM
Quote from: Truthfinder on May 02, 2010, 07:02:33 PM
Quote from: spectator123 on May 02, 2010, 06:57:16 PM
I wonder if it could turn out that Rochester and Clarkson might have to play the game...the timing could be a problem. We wouldn't know until Sunday night.

I foresee no way that happens. The conference has never taken that step, I don't think.

But who knows.
I don't think that it would be necessary, because no matter the outcome Rochester would host.  May be an issue if Clarkson is on the outside looking in after next weekend!
Does anyone know what the tiebreaker scenarios are?
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: Truthfinder on May 02, 2010, 07:12:47 PM
Quote from: nyy2344nyy on May 02, 2010, 07:04:27 PM
Quote from: Truthfinder on May 02, 2010, 06:53:48 PM
So if my math is correct ...

-- Rochester clinches the regular-season title.
-- Skidmore clinches a berth in the tournament, since Clarkson, SLU and RPI all can't get to 14 wins.
-- And everything else is an absolute mess, especially with Clarkson now holding a half-game edge over SLU and RPI.

This is going to be a hell of a weekend coming up.

IF and its a big IF, RPI beats Skidmore 4-0 next weekend, and either Clarkson or St. Lawrence also sweep, Skidmore could be mathematically eliminated.  Not very likely....

So, 3 teams fighting for the last 2 spots is the most likely scenario!

No, you're wrong. Skidmore is at 14 wins. Considering Clarkson and SLU play each other, they both can't get to 14.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: trider400t on May 02, 2010, 07:16:07 PM
Quote from: nyy2344nyy on May 02, 2010, 07:04:27 PM
Quote from: Truthfinder on May 02, 2010, 06:53:48 PM
So if my math is correct ...

-- Rochester clinches the regular-season title.
-- Skidmore clinches a berth in the tournament, since Clarkson, SLU and RPI all can't get to 14 wins.
-- And everything else is an absolute mess, especially with Clarkson now holding a half-game edge over SLU and RPI.

This is going to be a hell of a weekend coming up.

IF and its a big IF, RPI beats Skidmore 4-0 next weekend, and either Clarkson or St. Lawrence also sweep, Skidmore could be mathematically eliminated.  Not very likely....

So, 3 teams fighting for the last 2 spots is the most likely scenario!
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You might want to check your math. Skidmore and Rochester are in.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: trider400t on May 02, 2010, 07:18:19 PM
I'd be worried more about RPI. They know how to win in the Liberty Tournament. Rochester has been the biggest bust in tournament play over the past three years.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: Truthfinder on May 02, 2010, 07:26:12 PM
Quote from: trider400t on May 02, 2010, 07:18:19 PM
I'd be worried more about RPI. They know how to win in the Liberty Tournament. Rochester has been the biggest bust in tournament play over the past three years.

RPI has won one of the last five tournaments, right?
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: nyy2344nyy on May 02, 2010, 07:53:25 PM
Quote from: Truthfinder on May 02, 2010, 07:26:12 PM
Quote from: trider400t on May 02, 2010, 07:18:19 PM
I'd be worried more about RPI. They know how to win in the Liberty Tournament. Rochester has been the biggest bust in tournament play over the past three years.

RPI has won one of the last five tournaments, right?
2009 - Clarkson
2008 - RPI
2007 - Skidmore
2006 - St. Lawrence
2005 - Skidmore
2004 - UCAA League
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: DefenseWins on May 02, 2010, 08:02:51 PM
Either Rochester Clarkson or Skidmore wins the LL tourny this year, all three are clearly better and more suitable to win the tourny than RPI..... UR with its good pitching and pesky offense who has put up some runs although not many as of late, Skidmore has the best staff by far but a sketchy offense, and clarkson has a good lineup mixed with some good arms. RPI lacks the solid #2 and staff deep enough to compete and their offense has been very underachieving all year and hasnt produced. My prediction is a UR v Skidmore final, not sure who i can pick as the winner yet, maybe in a couple of days ill figure it out  ;D.....its tourny time!!!!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: baseballislife on May 02, 2010, 09:21:47 PM
Congrats to U of R for clinching the #1 seed and hosting.  Now what they have to do is go out and win the thing (they call me Captain Obvious).  By that I mean.....No one will ever respect a team until it wins championships.  That is just the way it is.  Once they get over that hump, and I believe this is the year, they will see a change in how people perceive them.  If not, they could be 35-3 going into the tourney next year and people will be expecting them to fall down until they prove them wrong.

The situation is one to be savored and embraced.  LOVE the pressure and suddenly the pressure is gone and on the opponent.  Soak it up boys.....this is why you play the game! 

Good luck Jackets!!!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BBFan62 on May 02, 2010, 11:23:46 PM
I agree..............savor it; enjoy it, for who knows if you can repeat. Like other teams, Rochester has some guys who were always the "go to guys" in the big games..............let's hope they can repeat the feat at this level. It will be a wild, close tournament.........nobody is a sure bet. So, having said that, it's going to be a longgggggg two weeks! Good luck to all.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: Ron Ron on May 03, 2010, 12:11:58 AM
Pretty sure the tiebreaker comes down to record vs. the number 1 seed (and if it is the same, it goes on down the line from there). Therefore if somehow Skidmore was caught by other teams, they still hold the tiebreaker by winning 3 against Rochester.  Clarkson also holds the tiebreaker over St. Law and RPI  since they were able to beat Rochester one time, making the 1/2 game difference a little less since if they finished tied with St. Law and/or RPI, they would gain the tiebreak anyway.  Skidmore is in, not sure about the seeding though.  St. Law, Clarkson, and RPI need to take care of business if they want their seasons to go on.  If I were Rochester, I would want to avoid seeing RPI or Clarkson first game (Goerold (?) or Mondo) and hope for St. Law.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: OshDude on May 03, 2010, 12:58:17 AM
Quote from: pudge27 on May 02, 2010, 02:30:33 PM
Quote from: BoomerIL on May 02, 2010, 09:32:27 AM
Quote from: Ron Ron on May 02, 2010, 04:10:06 AM
Interesting no one noted this:
On Thursday, April 19, D3baseball.com released its regional rankings

New York Region In-Region Record Overall Record
1. Cortland State 22-3-1 27-7-1
2. Skidmore 17-6 22-8
3. Plattsburgh State 18-7 28-8
4. Rochester 25-7 26-9
5. St. John Fisher 20-10 21-10
6. Staten Island 24-9 26-9

That has Skidmore ahead of Rochester.  If things stay similar to this, can Skidmore gain an at-large bid? (course the loss to Union doesn't help Skidmore. Unacceptable. Maybe Rochester makes up ground with the 2.5 games they will be playing against Clarkson. Real excited to see how the league shakes up)

That ranking makes no sense to me!!  Sure, Skidmore takes three from Rochester, but to be ahead of Rochester in the poll?????  If it were RPI that had UR's record and Skidmore took three from RPI, RPI would still be ahead of Skidmore in the poll.  Everyone knows there is no love for Rochester.  You saw that in last weeks poll dropping UR completely out of the top 25.  Those type of conference losses happen all across the country with other teams, but because those"elite" teams that make it to the regionals each year, or almost each year, get the benefit of the doubt.  There is too much emphasis put on past performance.  And how can the pollster voters know what teams are like from coast-to-coast if they don't watch every game??  Word-of-mouth recommendations from fellow voters??  Really?????  


In lieu of some high tech algorithm, I think that Skidmore taking 3 from UR is a pretty darn good reason to rate them ahead of them.  UR really can't complain at all.  Didn't you also drop 2 to Fisher and are ranked ahead of them?  This ranking is a gift.  I don't think that most people in NY have a dislike for Rochester, but you are putting many of us on a fast track in that direction.  

I'd like to give an opinion on the national rankings.  This is just an opinion and I don't really know nothing from nothing.  Keep in mind that this is D3 BASEBALL.  The peope who vote can't possibly see everyone play.  And YES, you DO have to develop a good reputation before you find yourself consistently in the top 25.  I can tell you from some experience that you shouldn't expect to be in the top 25 unless you've at least MADE regionals for a couple of years running, no matter how good you THINK you are.  If someone in Wisconsin has a vote and has to choose between UR or Skidmore vs RPI or Ithaca or Cortland, guess who gets the vote.

The bottom line if you think a certain team is very talented and they can't seem to beat anybody after mid April, they ain't that good!!!  If UR can come out and win their league tourney and make it to regionals, that's great.  Do it again next year and then you'll have that reputation to expect a good ranking.  Until then, just beat people on the field and park the conspiracy theories.  
A Wisconsin voter gave Rochester one of its two votes last week, BTW.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: OshDude on May 03, 2010, 01:36:36 AM
Quote from: BoomerIL on May 02, 2010, 11:37:39 AM
Quote from: BoomerIL on May 02, 2010, 09:37:06 AM
Quote from: Truthfinder on May 01, 2010, 05:51:32 PM
Union gets a split despite scoring one run all day, and Rochester and Clarkson will likely have to play 2-1/2 games tomorrow.

Does this mean SLU-RPI game 2 was weather-affected as well? Remember, that's day 2 of that series, so if they don't finish their set that's a HUGE PROBLEM for the Saints.

According to information given following the suspension of yesterdays rain delayed second game between Rochester and Clarkson, the game will be finished today.  They are scrapping the 7 inning game and playing the 9 inning game.  So, it will be 1-1/2 games today.  Should UR win both, it appears that they would host the Liberty League tournament.  If they don't win both today, then they would need help from other teams in order for them to still host the tournament.  

According to yesterdays story on UR's web site, 2-1/2 games are to be played today between Rochester and Clarkson.  This is wrong information according to a parent who was at the games yesterday.  According to the umpires, NCAA rules prohibit 3 games being played in a day.  So, the second game from yesterday will be finished, and a nine inning game will be the second game for today.  I guess until it is made official from an umpire or coach, we have to wait and see if this is the case.

The parent that was at the games yesterday said that when the rains came, the game was stopped, no one came out to cover the mound or field.  The rains lasted approximately 45 minutes according to the parent.  The rains became a little drizzle, and the umpires and coaches stood on the field in the drizzle for another 40 minutes or so and decided to suspend the game, according to the parents information.  The field could have been worked to get it ready again for play, but no effort was made to do so.  If the mound and field were covered immediately, the game could have been finished, according to the parent thar was there.

So now what happens?  How are the final league standings affected by both Rochester and Clarkson having one less conference game played??
Nearly an entire Midwest Region conference, the UMAC (St. Scholastica, etc.), just played three games in one day. I don't think the NCAA prohibits tripleheaders.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: airball55 on May 03, 2010, 01:41:26 AM
I think there should be a NO FATHER rule on here.  Do you guys read what you write???  Savor it, boys, win one for the gipper.  Get a grip!!!  I don't want to read the Rochester newspapers if U of R doesn't win the conference tourny and not get a bid.  Suicide rates on the rise, story at 11.

BTW, congrats to U of R, regardless of the mushy crap on here, for a good season and winning the conference regular season title.  Still plenty to do in the 3 and 4 spots next weekend.  Will all u U of R guys be on the road scouting??
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: Truthfinder on May 03, 2010, 07:47:45 AM
Should there also be a Yo Momma rule in here too?
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: baseballislife on May 03, 2010, 08:14:00 AM
Jeez Airball, sorry if I was a little too sappy for you.  While I do not have a son playing for U of R (yet), I'm pretty sure most of the people that frequent this forum are parents or current/former players.

The point I was trying convey was that respect is earned.  As an objective outsider, some of the UR posts have appeared to me to be a little oversensitive.  I'm sure the players are well aware of what they need to do to take the next step.  I just meant they should enjoy the chase.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: AlleyCat on May 03, 2010, 10:11:43 AM
What would the tie breaker be if St Lawrence and RPI both end up 13-11 in the league. They have played all the teams ahead of them equally?

Would it come down to RPI losing one game to Vassar, if Vassar ends up ahead of Union. If thats the case even that series will have playoff implications.

Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: pudge27 on May 03, 2010, 10:32:22 AM
Quote from: OshDude on May 03, 2010, 12:58:17 AM
Quote from: pudge27 on May 02, 2010, 02:30:33 PM



In lieu of some high tech algorithm, I think that Skidmore taking 3 from UR is a pretty darn good reason to rate them ahead of them.  UR really can't complain at all.  Didn't you also drop 2 to Fisher and are ranked ahead of them?  This ranking is a gift.  I don't think that most people in NY have a dislike for Rochester, but you are putting many of us on a fast track in that direction.  

I'd like to give an opinion on the national rankings.  This is just an opinion and I don't really know nothing from nothing.  Keep in mind that this is D3 BASEBALL.  The peope who vote can't possibly see everyone play.  And YES, you DO have to develop a good reputation before you find yourself consistently in the top 25.  I can tell you from some experience that you shouldn't expect to be in the top 25 unless you've at least MADE regionals for a couple of years running, no matter how good you THINK you are.  If someone in Wisconsin has a vote and has to choose between UR or Skidmore vs RPI or Ithaca or Cortland, guess who gets the vote.

The bottom line if you think a certain team is very talented and they can't seem to beat anybody after mid April, they ain't that good!!!  If UR can come out and win their league tourney and make it to regionals, that's great.  Do it again next year and then you'll have that reputation to expect a good ranking.  Until then, just beat people on the field and park the conspiracy theories.  
A Wisconsin voter gave Rochester one of its two votes last week, BTW.

Exactly why I prefaced with "I don't know nothing from nothing."  Bit of Murphy's law that my example gets proven wrong, but I hope people got the point.  I live in Rochester and hope that they do well, but I also think that it's foolish to complain about perceived slights in the rankings when you've dropped 5 games to teams that you're jockeying with for position.  Knock off the big boys consistently (and I don't mean Clarkson, no offense intended) and the rankings take care of themselves.  If you're team is really that good, it's also not the worst thing in the world to float under the radar a bit.  A lot less pressure than Cortland has, having won their conference like 17 out of the past 20 years.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on May 03, 2010, 10:53:23 AM
Quote from: airball55 on May 03, 2010, 01:41:26 AM
I think there should be a NO FATHER rule on here.  Do you guys read what you write???  Savor it, boys, win one for the gipper.  Get a grip!!!  I don't want to read the Rochester newspapers if U of R doesn't win the conference tourny and not get a bid.  Suicide rates on the rise, story at 11.

BTW, congrats to U of R, regardless of the mushy crap on here, for a good season and winning the conference regular season title.  Still plenty to do in the 3 and 4 spots next weekend.  Will all u U of R guys be on the road scouting??

Obviously you don't have any kids!!  When you do find someone to share your life with and have children, especially if one of them is a boy, and they have the talent to play college baseball, let me know.  I can then share with you those great feelings of watching our sons playing baseball.  Your father was there for you, wasn't he?  Ask him how he felt. ;)     
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: Ron Ron on May 03, 2010, 12:23:31 PM
Quote from: AlleyCat on May 03, 2010, 10:11:43 AM
What would the tie breaker be if St Lawrence and RPI both end up 13-11 in the league. They have played all the teams ahead of them equally?

Would it come down to RPI losing one game to Vassar, if Vassar ends up ahead of Union. If thats the case even that series will have playoff implications.



Yes, the tie breaker would go down as far as it has to, so if RPI and St. Law were to end up tied (assuming RPI and Skidmore split like St. Law/Skid), the tiebreaker would eventually go down to record vs. Vassar or Union (depending which one finishes ahead of the other).  Could get very, very interesting.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: airball55 on May 03, 2010, 07:59:58 PM
Boomer, that may have been the most lame thing I have ever read.  I still like U of R though.  Onto the final weekend!!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on May 03, 2010, 09:08:05 PM
Quote from: airball55 on May 03, 2010, 07:59:58 PM
Boomer, that may have been the most lame thing I have ever read.  I still like U of R though.  Onto the final weekend!!

That's what I like about this web site.  You express any opinion, or show support, or question a particular issue, even ask a legitimate question, and its ignored.  You make comments like I do, but mine are meaningless and lame.  And, right now I couldn't give a rats behind whether you liked UR or not.  You make a dumb comment about fathers on this site, and then you can't answer a simple question about your own experience with your parental support.  Yup, what I said is lame according to you, and you dodged the comment and question.  I guess your input on this site is about as worthless as mine.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: Ron Ron on May 04, 2010, 02:25:20 AM
Easy there guys. Can't we all just get along?
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: DefenseWins on May 04, 2010, 08:16:13 PM
Thinks it safe to say that after there losses to middlebury, union, and oneonta today that skidmore is done for the at large bid
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: Truthfinder on May 04, 2010, 08:59:59 PM
I would say the same, and add that unless Cortland and maybe Rochester slip in their tournaments, no one from the NY Region deserves a Pool C. No one.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: DefenseWins on May 05, 2010, 10:03:32 AM
What if Oneonta State gets to the SUNYAC championship???? Committee's i would assume have a great deal of politics involved (like everything else in this country) and when they see that an Oneonta team, who say beats cortland in game 1 and then loses two in the championship, with one of the most renound D3 pitchers in the nation, does that play a role in possibly oneonta getting that bid? Who out of new york gets it?>
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: John McGraw on May 05, 2010, 10:17:53 AM
Quote from: DefenseWins on May 05, 2010, 10:03:32 AM
What if Oneonta State gets to the SUNYAC championship???? Committee's i would assume have a great deal of politics involved (like everything else in this country) and when they see that an Oneonta team, who say beats cortland in game 1 and then loses two in the championship, with one of the most renound D3 pitchers in the nation, does that play a role in possibly oneonta getting that bid? Who out of new york gets it?>

New York teams are not guaranteed an at-large bid into the tournament. The teams fighting for a spot in the Pool C at-large selection field are located across the nation. While there usually is an at-large Pool C team in the field from New York, it is not always guaranteed. Like was said on the other board, Cortland and Rochester are possibly the only two teams that have a chance at a Pool C if they do not win their conference tournaments. Though, if UR goes two and out, that may seriously damage its' chances.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: airball55 on May 05, 2010, 11:00:09 AM
Now I am dumb.  Also, are you a dad Boomer??  Kind of sounds like it..

Sorry guys, had to throw that one in there.  All eyes on the north country this weekend as St. Law and Clarkson hooks it up.  Schedule makers happy with two really important conference series to end the season.  RPI has to play to get in, this is a first.  Anyway, I will take a shot at my predictions

RPI/Skidmore:  Tough one here, RPI needs them and Skidmore has nothing to play for

I'll take RPI 3-1

Clarkson/St. Lawrence:  I will take Clarkson also here 3-1.  Dangerous team at a time of year they like

Union/Vassar-  I will take the easy way out and go with a split 2-2.  Really wanted to take Vassar for three but can't pull the trigger on that.

Rochester is off.  Should be fun to watch.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BBFan62 on May 05, 2010, 07:40:10 PM
This week will be fun to watch indeed!
The conference tournament should be very exciting, as all the teams have a pitcher or two capable of shutting anyone down. All 4 teams will have a good shot at taking the step to the Regional tournament.
I just don't like Rochester being off 2 weeks prior to conference play, although on the bright side all exams will be finished and they'll be sleeping in their own bed for the conference tournament.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: AlleyCat on May 05, 2010, 07:51:04 PM
Weather could play a factor this weekend. It looks like Skidmore/RPI have already moved their Saturday games to Friday afternoon. I would hope St Lawrence/Clarkson would do the same, but you can't count on that with what happened last weekend. Clarkson decided not to cover the field so they could only play 3 games and not the 4th. If one of those 2 play 2 and win both the ones who won 2 might not want to play the next day.  RPI and Skidmore always try to play all 24 which is how it should be.

Vassar 3 of 4 agaist Union
RPI and Skidmore - RPI 3 to1
Clarkson and St Lawrence 1 & 1 - they'll find a way to only play 2

Just my thoughts.......
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: reddragon00 on May 06, 2010, 11:52:07 AM
Looks like this weekend in Liberyt will be classic.  I hope the weather holds!!!  Great weekend for NY region baseball, the SUNYACS, Liberty League final weekend, and E8 weekend with RIT  and IC.  if IC sweeps they tie Fisher.....that doesn't look good for Fisher!.  Clackson re-did the infield but they DON'T have a tarp....that doesn't make any sense!  Should have spent the money for it!!!!

Stay tuned! :o
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: DefenseWins on May 06, 2010, 12:14:58 PM
predictions for the weekend

Clarkson v St Lawrence...........Clarkson 3-1
Skidmore v RPI............2-2
Vassar v Union..........2-2
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: LLbaseball on May 06, 2010, 12:42:51 PM
Weekend predictions:

Clarkson/St. Lawrence -- Clarkson takes 3 of 4
RPI/Skidmore -- Split
Vassar/Union -- Atleast a split.  Vassar could take 3 of 4
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: DefenseWins on May 09, 2010, 08:18:32 AM
heard from a parent that State police had to be called to skidmore rpi because of rpi fans
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: AlleyCat on May 09, 2010, 08:52:15 AM
I went up to watch the game and that was way overplayed. The Umpire threw Mondo out for being out of the dugout and Coach Allard for trying to protect his pitcher. Coach Allard was thrown out for being an assistant coach and being out on the field. It was reported they got thrown out for arguing which was totally wrong, reported by the SID from Skidmore. After the game the RPI kids were upset for losing on a foul ball. I was sitting right behind homeplate and it was foul by at least 10 feet. Obviously they were upset, but not at Skidmore. Skidmore is a real good team.

The kids were talking to each other after the game with no hard feelings. The parents were upset, but nothing out of the ordinary.

Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: airball55 on May 09, 2010, 10:22:53 AM
This had to be at Skidmore.  Foul balls called fair and the state police would have never been called to the park in Troy!!

It's amazing how good Skidmore is considering how bad that field is.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: Truthfinder on May 09, 2010, 11:17:57 AM
Smoke got tossed? Well, there's a stunner. He's off his meds.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: Truthfinder on May 09, 2010, 01:17:36 PM
RPI kid has a no-hitter through 6. Let's see if Smoke gets ejected again.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: Truthfinder on May 09, 2010, 02:49:03 PM
Quote from: Truthfinder on May 09, 2010, 01:17:36 PM
RPI kid has a no-hitter through 6. Let's see if Smoke gets ejected again.

I'm told he finished it. Wish I knew who it was, but they got one, which I think is the third in the LL this year. Skidmore had one (and a few one-hitters) and didn't Clarkson have a no-no?
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: Truthfinder on May 09, 2010, 03:22:33 PM
For those interested: If Skidmore wins Game 2 at RPI today, then RPI is on life support.

Should Clarkson and St. Lawrence split on Monday, RPI does not go to the tournament.

If either team gets swept, they're out.

Currently, Skidmore leads RPI 8-1 in the 5th of Game 2. Tough enough to come back from seven down, but radio guys on WRPI say it's about 40 degrees in Troy.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: Truthfinder on May 09, 2010, 04:53:19 PM
RPI loses Game 2 10-6. So if Clarkson and SLU sweep, they're out.

Wow.

Mildly interesting: If Clarkson and SLU don't play, and don't reschedule, RPI would also be out.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: trider400t on May 09, 2010, 08:21:28 PM
Quote from: AlleyCat on May 09, 2010, 08:52:15 AM
I went up to watch the game and that was way overplayed. The Umpire threw Mondo out for being out of the dugout and Coach Allard for trying to protect his pitcher. Coach Allard was thrown out for being an assistant coach and being out on the field. It was reported they got thrown out for arguing which was totally wrong, reported by the SID from Skidmore. After the game the RPI kids were upset for losing on a foul ball. I was sitting right behind homeplate and it was foul by at least 10 feet. Obviously they were upset, but not at Skidmore. Skidmore is a real good team.

The kids were talking to each other after the game with no hard feelings. The parents were upset, but nothing out of the ordinary.


Trying to see where this story is coming from, nothing on the Skidmore web site or in the local papers.    That said, I earlier I posted that I liked RPI in the Liberty Tournament. I guess I'm wrong.   Maybe coach Allard should have spent more time coaching and less time getting thrown out.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: AlleyCat on May 09, 2010, 09:07:47 PM
Like I said earlier this week, I knew Clarkson and St Lawrence would find a way not to play all four games. Although RPI is not what they have been in the past at least they try to get the games in. St Lawrence and Clarkson should be ashamed and the Conference, if it had any integrity, would make them play the 4 game or 3 game set at least. 

RPI made their own bed and now they'll have to sleep in it all summer long without going to the playoffs for the first time in league history.

Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: Truthfinder on May 09, 2010, 09:27:13 PM
AlleyCat, it snowed. Did SLU and Clarkson make it snow? Because that would be freaking awesome.

Bottom line is this: Yes, it's going to be unfortunate for someone (remember two years ago, 9-11 Clarkson went over 12-12 Skidmore). But RPI is 14-13 in its last 27 games against conference competition. They haven't exactly guaranteed themselves anything.

RPI went 6-10 against the league's tourney-contending teams this year. That's what might cost them.

But a 24-game league schedule, well, you're asking for this kind of trouble. No idea what happens when expansion hits.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: airball55 on May 09, 2010, 10:33:19 PM
Yeah, Clarkson and St. Lawrence fixed everything up this weekend.  They asked mother nature for snow so they could back door their way in the tournament.  I seem to remember, now that you mention it, back in 2003 when RPI was losing in the championship game and didn't get the tarp down with Clarkson winning in the 5th inning.  A 25-8 Clarkson team stayed home.  I don't remember anybody crying then.  Are you friggin serious with that comment alleycat?
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: AlleyCat on May 10, 2010, 08:49:31 AM
How much snow did they get? Also, they are 15 minutes apart and could play all 4 this Monday and Tuesday. I could care less about RPI getting in. They stunk this year and couldn't do it on the field. All I'm saying is that the games should be played on the field when at all possible. Are Clarkson and St Lawrence in exams or are they finished. If they are in exams then fine.

Also, back to 2003, Clarkson had a 2-1 lead in the top of the 4th inning. 

Good Luck To Rochester and Skidmore in the LL tourney. Both of them would represent the LL in the NCAA well.

On another note, did anyone see Washburn's No-No. Were there any great plays to save it?
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: Ron Ron on May 10, 2010, 02:21:09 PM
Looks like St. Lawrence won game 1 4-1.  They are in.  Hopefully Clarkson can pull off game 2 (though Goerold went game 1) and knock RPI out of the playoffs.  The live stats don't appear to be working, unfortunately.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: AlleyCat on May 10, 2010, 02:43:13 PM
I believe Clarkson will win game 2. They're at home and rarely get swept at home. They have good squad and can swing the bats. Do anyone know if they are playing a 7 or a 9 in game 2?
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: AlleyCat on May 10, 2010, 03:30:15 PM
Bottom 4th Clarkson 3-0. St Lawrence has already taken out Considine and some other starters. Must have just wanted to give him a little work before the tourney.

This one is all but over!!!!

Rochester
Skidmore
Clarkson
St Lawrence

This weekend for all the marbles!!!!!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: Ron Ron on May 10, 2010, 04:14:10 PM
Game's over.  See ya RPI. Have a nice vacation.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: Truthfinder on May 10, 2010, 04:50:01 PM
RPI will play Plattsburgh this weekend in the NOEGAF tournament.

That's the "No one else gives a ... " tournament.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: AlleyCat on May 11, 2010, 08:28:12 AM
Truthfinder - Why would you say something like that after RPI has been in the NCAA's 17 of the last 19 years and to compare them to Plattsburgh is a joke. Hey, RPI stunk this year. No one is going to disbute that.

The LL is a better conference than people think and thats why RPI didn't make it this year. They didn't play well in league.

Sounds like your sour grapes or you got beaten by RPI too many times in your career.

Good luck to Rochester, Skidmore, Clarkson and St Lawrence. Well deserved! Have a great weekend and may the best team win.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: URFlorida on May 11, 2010, 08:30:02 AM
6 May  2010



The NCAA Division III Baseball Committee has released its second 2010 regional poll. The committee has ranked the top 15 percent of eligible teams in each region. The following teams, with records through May 4, were included in this week's regional poll. The next poll will be released May 13.

The first record is regional record, followed by overall record.

New York Region:

1. Cortland State 25-3-1 30-7-1
2. Plattsburgh State 18-7 30-8
3. St. John Fisher 26-11 27-11
4. Rochester (New York) 27-9 28-9
5. Staten Island 27-10 30-10
6. Skidmore 20-9 25-11


Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: John McGraw on May 11, 2010, 10:16:49 AM
Quote from: URFlorida on May 11, 2010, 08:30:02 AM
6 May  2010



The NCAA Division III Baseball Committee has released its second 2010 regional poll. The committee has ranked the top 15 percent of eligible teams in each region. The following teams, with records through May 4, were included in this week's regional poll. The next poll will be released May 13.

The first record is regional record, followed by overall record.

New York Region:

1. Cortland State 25-3-1 30-7-1
2. Plattsburgh State 18-7 30-8
3. St. John Fisher 26-11 27-11
4. Rochester (New York) 27-9 28-9
5. Staten Island 27-10 30-10
6. Skidmore 20-9 25-11




There will be a new poll this coming week. One would imagine St. John Fisher will leapfrog up to two and Plattsburgh will drop past three.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on May 11, 2010, 10:21:00 AM
Quote from: John McGraw on May 11, 2010, 10:16:49 AM
Quote from: URFlorida on May 11, 2010, 08:30:02 AM
6 May  2010



The NCAA Division III Baseball Committee has released its second 2010 regional poll. The committee has ranked the top 15 percent of eligible teams in each region. The following teams, with records through May 4, were included in this week's regional poll. The next poll will be released May 13.

The first record is regional record, followed by overall record.

New York Region:

1. Cortland State 25-3-1 30-7-1
2. Plattsburgh State 18-7 30-8
3. St. John Fisher 26-11 27-11
4. Rochester (New York) 27-9 28-9
5. Staten Island 27-10 30-10
6. Skidmore 20-9 25-11




There will be a new poll this coming week. One would imagine St. John Fisher will leapfrog up to two and Plattsburgh will drop past three.

St. John Fisher and Staten Island has shots at the last 2 Pool B bids after Chapman and St. Scholastica. Those are decided BEFORE Pool C on May 16th
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: Truthfinder on May 11, 2010, 10:36:09 AM
Quote from: AlleyCat on May 11, 2010, 08:28:12 AM
Truthfinder - Why would you say something like that after RPI has been in the NCAA's 17 of the last 19 years and to compare them to Plattsburgh is a joke. Hey, RPI stunk this year. No one is going to disbute that.

The LL is a better conference than people think and thats why RPI didn't make it this year. They didn't play well in league.

Sounds like your sour grapes or you got beaten by RPI too many times in your career.

Good luck to Rochester, Skidmore, Clarkson and St Lawrence. Well deserved! Have a great weekend and may the best team win.

You couldn't have missed the point by a wider margin. The LL was a GREAT conference this year. If RPI hadn't lost their cool and had coach and player ejected at Skidmore last week, the Engineers would be packing for Rochester. Can't believe such a storied program has fallen so far so fast.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: Truthfinder on May 11, 2010, 10:37:36 AM
Friday schedule:

Skidmre-Clarkson, noon.
Rochester-SLU, 3:30 p.m.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: John McGraw on May 11, 2010, 11:11:12 AM
Quote from: Truthfinder on May 11, 2010, 10:36:09 AM
Quote from: AlleyCat on May 11, 2010, 08:28:12 AM
Truthfinder - Why would you say something like that after RPI has been in the NCAA's 17 of the last 19 years and to compare them to Plattsburgh is a joke. Hey, RPI stunk this year. No one is going to disbute that.

The LL is a better conference than people think and thats why RPI didn't make it this year. They didn't play well in league.

Sounds like your sour grapes or you got beaten by RPI too many times in your career.

Good luck to Rochester, Skidmore, Clarkson and St Lawrence. Well deserved! Have a great weekend and may the best team win.

You couldn't have missed the point by a wider margin. The LL was a GREAT conference this year. If RPI hadn't lost their cool and had coach and player ejected at Skidmore last week, the Engineers would be packing for Rochester. Can't believe such a storied program has fallen so far so fast.

It's just one bad year. I'd liken it to a season where Murphy's Law applied - what could go wrong, did go wrong. At the start of the year, RPI on paper looked to be the class of the conference despite losing a couple key pieces at the top of the line-up. Then we found out all-league outfielder Nic Marchese was gone and I think that really impacted the start of the order. RPI never really had a great lead-off hitter like Sean Wilkes was during his run at the top. And when a 6-foot-4 outfielder is your stolen base leader, you know there's going to be problems.

Some of the pitchers that were projected to do well did not. Mondo was still the ace and Cieszko became a conference starter at the end of the year. The others did not but their numbers weren't awful. I'm still confused by John Dreimiller, a guy that was a great pitcher as a rookie I think and then just lost it and never really recovered the form he had when he first came into the program.

As for next year? RPI loses a decent amount with Reardon, Mondo, Mamagonian, Krushelnyski, etc. Coach Steffen usually does a good job of recruiting so I think that next year's squad could replicate the numbers of this year's underachieving team or possibly finish anywhere from second to fifth in the league.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: AlleyCat on May 11, 2010, 11:37:12 AM
John,
Couldn't agree with you more. RPI just had a bad year. That happens from time to time. The loss of Marchese really hurt them offensively.

Truthfinder obviously doesn't understand that no one lost their cool and that Mondo was thrown out for having part of his foot out of the dugout and that Coach Allard was thrown out for protecting his pitcher and being and assistant coach(thats what assistant coaches are supposed to do). That still happened in the top of the 8th and had no bearing on a foul ball homer that was a mistake by the umpire or maybe not. Those 2 being thrown out had no bearing on that play in the bottom on the 9th.


Good luck to all in the tourney and who ever wins, represent the LL well in the NCAA!!!!!!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: LLbaseball on May 11, 2010, 01:06:34 PM
I think the LL is so much more competitive than it used to be.... all of the teams in the league now can beat each other.  The 4 teams in the tournament are all competitive.  I think its anyone's tournament to win.  Next year should be even more competitive with several key players from the top 4 programs graduating and I truly feel you can throw Vassar in that mix next season.  They are really only losing Glantz, and everyone else is returning.... I also know of a couple HS pitchers that are going there that can pitch next year.  They are much better than they used to be.

Could be interesting next season.... as for the winner of the tournament -- Skidmore.



Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: Truthfinder on May 11, 2010, 01:24:17 PM
Quote from: AlleyCat on May 11, 2010, 11:37:12 AM
John,
Couldn't agree with you more. RPI just had a bad year. That happens from time to time. The loss of Marchese really hurt them offensively.

Truthfinder obviously doesn't understand that no one lost their cool and that Mondo was thrown out for having part of his foot out of the dugout and that Coach Allard was thrown out for protecting his pitcher and being and assistant coach(thats what assistant coaches are supposed to do). That still happened in the top of the 8th and had no bearing on a foul ball homer that was a mistake by the umpire or maybe not. Those 2 being thrown out had no bearing on that play in the bottom on the 9th.


Good luck to all in the tourney and who ever wins, represent the LL well in the NCAA!!!!!!

No, no coach, head or assistant, is "supposed" to snap and get tossed from a Division III game.

And yeah, this is a blanket statement, but RPI always loses its cool. That's what makes them RPI.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: AlleyCat on May 11, 2010, 01:25:04 PM
The LL is very strong and I believe that Vassar is much improved and could be looking at a tourney spot next year also. The shortstop that vassar has is the fastest kid on the field anytime they play. That kid can FLY!!!!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: LLbaseball on May 11, 2010, 01:59:07 PM
I agree that he is the fastest kid on the field.  He can hit too.  That team will compete next season, without a doubt.
Watch out for the Brewers!!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: Truthfinder on May 11, 2010, 02:56:20 PM
I'm waiting for the year that everyone in the LL goes 12-12 and Karl Steffen makes the first tiebreaker "Team that has a coach named Smoke and/or a team that has Polytechnic in its official title."
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: URFlorida on May 11, 2010, 04:16:50 PM

2010 Liberty League Championship
Friday, May 14 through Sunday, May 16
Hosted By University of Rochester

FRIDAY, MAY 14:
Game 1: #3 Clarkson vs #2 Skidmore - 12:00 pm
Game 2: #4 St. Lawrence at #1 Rochester - 3:30 pm

SATURDAY, MAY 15:
Game 3: Loser Game 1 vs Loser Game 2 - 10:00 am
Game 4: Winner Game 1 vs Winner Game 2 - 1:00 pm
Game 5: Winner Game 3 vs Loser Game 4 - 4:00 pm

SUNDAY, MAY 16:
Game 6: Winner Game 4 vs Winner Game 5 - 11:00 am
Game 7: Same Teams (If Necessary)
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: Truthfinder on May 11, 2010, 05:37:29 PM
Hey, good news for RPI: For the first time in a long time, you won't lose a LL Tournament Game!

Smoke on that!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: trider400t on May 12, 2010, 09:04:38 PM
Quote from: Truthfinder on May 11, 2010, 05:37:29 PM
Hey, good news for RPI: For the first time in a long time, you won't lose a LL Tournament Game!

Smoke on that!

I'm sure they will blame the umpires on not making the tournament.  That seems to be the trend.

Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: John McGraw on May 13, 2010, 04:57:10 PM
All-conference team is out.

Rochester is the big winner with 11 players selected.

Only thing that stands out to me is Mike Cieszko not getting first or second team all-league. He definitely deserved better than honorable mention.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: Ron Ron on May 13, 2010, 09:35:22 PM
I'd also challenge the fact that only one skidmore starting pitcher was an all conference.  Their whole pitching staff has very similar numbers and all deserved it.  Marcus had the advantage of always going against a 3.  Stork, Brucato (who threw a no hitter), and Laracuente (1 hitter against the mighty Rochester) deserved it just as much as Marcus, who was first team. He just had more W's, but with much better run support.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: trider400t on May 13, 2010, 10:27:32 PM
Quote from: John McGraw on May 13, 2010, 04:57:10 PM
All-conference team is out.

Rochester is the big winner with 11 players selected.

Only thing that stands out to me is Mike Cieszko not getting first or second team all-league. He definitely deserved better than honorable mention.

Who would you have Ciesko replace?  He should have been a starter from day one this year. That may have made a difference in the Red Hawks season.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: Ron Ron on May 14, 2010, 03:15:48 AM
Also disagree with the Skidmore staff getting the nod.  Shouldn't the team with the best record, most players on the all league teams, and home field advantage in the tournament get best coaching staff, not matter what? (Yes, I am supporting Rochester here. It scares me too...)
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: reddragon00 on May 14, 2010, 08:48:39 AM
Looking forward to all the action this weekend to get the Regional set.  I am looking at LL tourney and the matchups look pretty good.  Hope the weather holds in Rochester! 
Ron Ron...good point about coaching staff.  Guy at Skidmore deserves a look but looking at What Rochester lost off last years team and where they finshed... hard to not say Coach Reina didn't deserve it! Skidmore does have one of the best staffs in the country!!

Anyone one know if they have live stats or anything at the Tourney??.. Keep us posted!

Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on May 14, 2010, 11:17:04 AM
Quote from: reddragon00 on May 14, 2010, 08:48:39 AM
Looking forward to all the action this weekend to get the Regional set.  I am looking at LL tourney and the matchups look pretty good.  Hope the weather holds in Rochester! 
Ron Ron...good point about coaching staff.  Guy at Skidmore deserves a look but looking at What Rochester lost off last years team and where they finshed... hard to not say Coach Reina didn't deserve it! Skidmore does have one of the best staffs in the country!!

Anyone one know if they have live stats or anything at the Tourney??.. Keep us posted!



Yes, there will be Live Stats for the tournament.  I just spoke to the SID.  He said the link is on the Rochester Baseball site under "key links."  It is not running at this time, since they haven't loaded the software yet.  It will be ready for the first game today.

Good luck to the Rochester Yellowjackets!!  GO JACKETS!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: Hot Rod Runnin on May 14, 2010, 11:36:52 AM
Is that the same Matt Kelley on the Skidmore bench that played at PLattsburgh?
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: Ron Ron on May 14, 2010, 03:11:54 PM
Hot Rod Runnin - Yes, they are 1 in the same

Skidmore defeats Clarkson 7-6 scoring 2 in the 8th and 1 in the 9th.  Rochester/St. Law to start soon.  Live stats on the Rochester site.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: DefenseWins on May 14, 2010, 10:47:08 PM
In the clarkson skidmore game, skidmore ties it up in the 7th with a solo shot and an SB followwed by a single off of georold who was around the 130 pitch mark on 3 days rest!!!!!!!

Bad coaching move? Lack of confidence in bullpen? Or just leaving it up to his best arm to get it done?

Personnally i dont know how as a coach you can let a player run his pitch count up that high on 3 days rest and expect him to be himself on that mound.
Rochester handles ST Lawerence easily in opening round game. St Lawerence makes 4 errors. Storm with a hr.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: airball55 on May 15, 2010, 08:03:19 AM
Personally I don't know how St. Lawrence doesn't come out with Cook who is their number one.  Or maybe each coach just knows what is best for their clubs.  I wouldn't get into what each team does in terms of leadership.  I think all of these guys have pretty good track records, especially Clarkson's coach.  Some kids do want the ball, I am sure Goerold is one of them.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: Ron Ron on May 15, 2010, 05:41:39 PM
Skidmore downs Rochester 6-5, Rochester playing Clarkson as we speak, then winner has to take 2 from Skidmore.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: John McGraw on May 15, 2010, 06:33:37 PM
Clarkson 4 Rochester 0
Top 6
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: John McGraw on May 15, 2010, 07:29:37 PM
Final
Clarkson 8 Rochester 0

Clarkson vs. Skidmore tomorrow for the title. Clarkson has to win twice, Skidmore once.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: airball55 on May 15, 2010, 07:34:26 PM
I think Clarkson could get two, they still have Chudy, a freshman back.  Tough hill to climb though.  Not to surprised by this outcome, I thought Clarkson, Rochester and Skidmore were fairly even teams.  Good season for Rochester though, regular season champs and almost got to the 30 win mark. 
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: Ron Ron on May 15, 2010, 07:53:59 PM
Skidmore has Laracuente and a relatively rested bullpen to go for 1 win in 2 tries.

No chance Rochester gets an at-large right?  Another failed opportunity in the LL tourney.  Just adds to the "Can't win the big one" label and adds to why they aren't on the national attention level of cortland, ithaca, etc that upset Boomer.  Good season for them, maybe next year is the year.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: airball55 on May 15, 2010, 07:56:16 PM
I don't think so Ron man.  Too man upsets elsewhere with teams that may take those spots.  Besides, Cortland is already probably in from this region and I don't see the NCAA giving our beloved NY region 3 at at larges (Cortland C, Fisher B).  John would be able to speak to this better but I don't see it.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: DefenseWins on May 15, 2010, 09:46:26 PM
Saw the end of the UR Skidmore game today as well as the whole Clarkson UR game......

UR just looked mentally and physically defeated from the game against skidmore....Judging by the line, Marcus handled them well to improve to 9-2 i believe.

in the second game clarskon just capitalized all game, UR had more hits but nothing to show, and as i saw towards the end of the skidmore game they were jus unable to get runners in. I would like to know they runners left on base combined for the two games. UR didnt show up today and it showed.

Congrats to Skidmore and Clarkson for making it to the championship...Clarkson still has Chudy as someone mentioned, although i cant believe he hasnt pitched yet, is he hurt? and skidmore still has laracuente, brucato who threw a little on fri. and a rested bullpen. gotta give the edge to skidmore tomorrow as most winners bracket champs usually have

Skidmore wins game 1.......7-4
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: reddragon00 on May 15, 2010, 10:33:03 PM
Saw the Skidmore UR game today.  Teams looked pretty even and Rochester hit balls all over just couldn't  get anything to drop...Tough loss and they never got it back together.  Looking athte ROster that has youth written all over it.  Could be skidmore's year!!  As to someone point about coaching....Plourde is a decent coach but with those 4 horses he has, Doorey could win with them!! Good season UR but you have got to win the big one.  They return a lot so could make a run at it next year!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: Ron Ron on May 16, 2010, 02:08:58 AM
OK Trider, the award goes for the regular season, not the post season.  Sure Skidmore was lucky to take 3-4 from UR in the Regular season, but UR was able to sweep St Lawrence (Skidmore 2-2), RPI (Skidmore 2-2), Union (Skidmore 3-1), and Vassar (Skidmore 3-1), sure looks like UR accomplished a whole ton more in the REGULAR SEASON which is what the award is for.  You can't tell me the Skidmore coaching staff is better in the REGULAR SEASON when they lost one to Vassar and Union, and split with St. Law, when UR swept all of the above.  There is a reason UR held the LL tournament because they were the best team in the REGULAR SEASON and that is what the award is for, the REGULAR SEASON.

And I have no idea why UR didn't shake hands.  I am not a UR supporter like boomer and all the rest Trider, I just think whatever team hosts the tournament clearly had the best REGULAR SEASON and therefore should have the coaching staff honored.  UR also graduated a ton last year.  Skidmore, not so much.  A great catcher, an OK bullpen arm, and a starting pitcher who wouldn't have been in the starting rotation this year.  UR lost a lot more and played a lot better during the REGULAR SEASON.  That, Trider, is why UR's coaching staff deserved the award, not Skidmore.  How can you argue with my logic about the REGULAR SEASON?

Also, Trider, according to your logic, UR should have 0 non-conference players because they aren't playing anymore, and instead Clarkson and Skidmore should have every single all-conference players because they are still playing.  Then, when one team wins, their whole roster should be the all-conference players, because they are the team that is still playing, so clearly they deserve the all conference nods.  But hey, apparently you're the expert Trider, since your logic makes so much sense.  
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BBFan62 on May 16, 2010, 11:15:57 AM
Well, even though the outcome is not what we wanted, Rochester had a decent season. Congratulations to Skidmore and Clarkson; good luck to both teams.
In answer to DefenseWins, Rochester left a total of 19 men on base in the games yesterday, 11 of them in game two. We had chances but did not do what we needed to do. We will miss the 4 seniors graduating today. All 4 were starters for a number of years; fine athletes and students. Great guys.
Having said that, next year should be another very competitive year in the Liberty League. I am a bit concerned about replacing the 3 senior position players, but we do have some good, young talent.
Our pitching staff will only lose 1 player. Two of our starters were Freshmen and our closer was also a Freshman. If you look at the conference game stats you will see the 3 returning starters were a combined 15-2 in conference games and all 3 were in the top 10 for low ERA. One of the Freshman starters was also our DH, moving into that position in the middle of the season. Hopefully they can build on what they went through this year and learn to "win the big one". Being a Cub fan, I'm used to saying "wait 'til next year"!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: Truthfinder on May 16, 2010, 01:19:16 PM
Skidmore wins it, is that their third in five or six years? They have to be the standard in the LL now. But more importantly, you know that didn't go over well in Plattsburgh. Rochester deserves a Pool C look, but who knows what'll happen tonight.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: airball55 on May 16, 2010, 01:26:55 PM
Skidmore has had a heck of a season.  They sneak by Clarkson in two close games.  Let's hope that they get a couple of W's in the regional.  They will run up against some good offensive clubs but from the outside looking in it appears they have a shot in NY this season.  Clarkson has to be encouraged with the freshman Chudy and will be back next year.  I can't see any scenario where Plattsburgh or Rochester gets any consideration for pool C with the upsets around the country but we will see tonight. 
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: URFlorida on May 16, 2010, 09:36:04 PM

Congratulations to Skidmore ... well deserved tournament win.  I wish them continued success as they represent the Liberty League.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: airball55 on May 16, 2010, 11:09:19 PM
I just read the d3 projections for the at large bids.  Great stuff.  Amazing how fast they calculate.  I don't agree with the last selections however.  They also have Skidmore as the 8 seed in the east behind teams like Brockport, Ithaca??  Yikes.  They also have Plattsburgh in over Rochester which I also don't believe.  Rochester finished higher in their conference, played a much more challenging non-league schedule and won the regular season league title.  They also won a tournament game.  If Plattsburgh gets in, first of all congrats, but.... I think teams like U of R would be rushing next year to schedule the Keuka's, Medialle's etc. and not the Fisher's, Brockports, etc... out of conference.  Plus, truthfinder would hang himself and although we all have fun on here, we wouldn't want Truthfinder to do that!!

Regional records need to be recalculated and re-evaluated.  In the current system, Plattsburgh may get in for a weak Florida schedule that counts as in region games (most of them) and big non league wins against St. Lawrence and St. Michaels (and those games don't count).  They did get unlucky some with Old Westbury and Mt. St. Mary's struggling at the end of the year which hurt that sweep they had early.  Castleton and Clarkson (who is good) smacked them pretty bad midweek. 
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: Ron Ron on May 17, 2010, 12:57:22 AM
Yeah how is Skidmore an 8 seed according to these projections?  3 years ago they were 21-19 or something close and were a 5 or 6 seed, and now that they are 30-13, they fall to an 8 seed? Getting passed by the likes of Plattsburgh, Ithaca, Brockport, etc? Definitely disagree with that.  Depending on who comes in from other areas, Skid should probly be a 3 behind Cortland and SJF.  Also, Rochester should make it over Plattsburgh.  Plattsburgh's league record was a joke, they don't deserve it.  Would love for my team in the NY regional to play them first round though, might as well be a bye... (Them's fighting words, I know, haha).
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: reddragon00 on May 17, 2010, 07:18:48 AM
The NY regional shaped up as off this morning.  Oneonta state??????  Kidding me?????  People have to be pissed!  They are a one pitcher team and will be 1-2 in Regional.  I like the 2 and 3 seeds though.  Really can't beleive SUNYACS got 3 in.  Not that good of a conference.  We will see.  Rochester was at the table again for one of the final spots.  I think UR coach should look to move on..  Heard his boys folded like a cheap suit in the Clarkson game.  Fisher job is open!!  look where they are.  Could be a good fit.  Plus he could get some of us SUNYAC phys. ed guys in to play.

Just looking at it.  Thoughts BoomerIL????
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: airball55 on May 17, 2010, 07:22:06 AM
Kudos to the committee on the NY selections.  I think Oneonta is a great pick and have kind of been lobbying for them all along with 2 wins against Cortland and a win against Fisher.  I can see them in over Rochester, not by much, but can see it.  I think the three seed is a bit high but nonetheless a pretty solid selection.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: John McGraw on May 17, 2010, 10:26:49 AM
Quote from: reddragon00 on May 17, 2010, 07:18:48 AM
The NY regional shaped up as off this morning.  Oneonta state??????  Kidding me?????  People have to be pissed!  They are a one pitcher team and will be 1-2 in Regional.  I like the 2 and 3 seeds though.  Really can't beleive SUNYACS got 3 in.  Not that good of a conference.  We will see.  Rochester was at the table again for one of the final spots.  I think UR coach should look to move on..  Heard his boys folded like a cheap suit in the Clarkson game.  Fisher job is open!!  look where they are.  Could be a good fit.  Plus he could get some of us SUNYAC phys. ed guys in to play.

Just looking at it.  Thoughts BoomerIL????

Fisher will remove the interim tag from Brandon Potter IMO. The posting is probably just EOE. Not hiring a coach that got the team to the playoffs for only the second time in school history would be a joke.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: airball55 on May 17, 2010, 12:22:12 PM
Yes, that would be an awful joke.  Then to consider a guy who is 3-14 in the Liberty League playoffs is even more entertaining.  Nothing against Coach Reina, but come on.  That would be like firing Jim Boeheim and hiring Norm Roberts. 

I also think the Oneonta pick is a solid one.  They have wins against Cortland (2), Fisher (1) as well as Skidmore (1).  The only downside was their 0-3 record against Brockport, also a regional team.  They played Farmingdale as well.  10 games against regional opponents is a nice test (4-6 in those games).  But are they more than a one trick pony (Filak)??

BTW, how about D3baseball hanging the committee right out to dry on that selection on their front page??  I think that is good stuff to create opinionated discussions, although personally I think they are wrong.  (They did mention it was correcting a mistake at the end however)
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 17, 2010, 03:08:05 PM
Yes -- I think our take was that this was the better choice. So why were the last regional rankings in the other direction?
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: RSSmith on May 17, 2010, 03:28:03 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on May 17, 2010, 03:08:05 PM
Yes -- I think our take was that this was the better choice. So why were the last regional rankings in the other direction?

I thought it might have been an effect of OWP changing (even after team A has quit playing, its season opponents may have more games), so I compared the last two SOS numbers and, sure enough, they had moved slightly, but in Plattsburgh's favor.  There's a soft factor in there that they don't tell us about.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 17, 2010, 03:37:47 PM
Always endemic in the regional ranking process is the national committee's ability to overrule a regional ranking committee and change a regional ranking.

However, again, the national committee can exercise this power at any time, not just in the final week.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BaseB13 on May 17, 2010, 05:35:41 PM
Quote from: airball55 on May 17, 2010, 12:22:12 PM
Yes, that would be an awful joke.  Then to consider a guy who is 3-14 in the Liberty League playoffs is even more entertaining.  Nothing against Coach Reina, but come on.  That would be like firing Jim Boeheim and hiring Norm Roberts. 

I also think the Oneonta pick is a solid one.  They have wins against Cortland (2), Fisher (1) as well as Skidmore (1).  The only downside was their 0-3 record against Brockport, also a regional team.  They played Farmingdale as well.  10 games against regional opponents is a nice test (4-6 in those games).  But are they more than a one trick pony (Filak)??

BTW, how about D3baseball hanging the committee right out to dry on that selection on their front page??  I think that is good stuff to create opinionated discussions, although personally I think they are wrong.  (They did mention it was correcting a mistake at the end however)

While I agree UR has not gotten it done in the LL playoffs I do think their coach has done a good job at UR.  I don't think it's entirely fair to compare those two coaches right now.  Recruiting at UR is VERY different than recruiting at SJFC.  I don't think you can tell what a coach is really made of until he's coaching his guys that he recruited.  College baseball is a lot more about recruiting than X's and O's.  Coach Pepicelli did one heck of a job with the guys he brought in this year and in recent years.  That being said, kudos to the current coach for not messing it up and getting the job done this season.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: airball55 on May 17, 2010, 05:51:39 PM
I didn't write that well and I know all the Rochester guys will read it the way I wrote it.  I was referring more to the point that why would Fisher hire anyone but the guy they have now?  My previous posts have always been supportive of Coach Reina, he has a solid program over there.  I just found it odd that someone would say that a move like that would be better for Fisher and Coach Reina.  No way.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on May 17, 2010, 09:27:27 PM
Quote from: reddragon00 on May 17, 2010, 07:18:48 AM
The NY regional shaped up as off this morning.  Oneonta state??????  Kidding me?????  People have to be pissed!  They are a one pitcher team and will be 1-2 in Regional.  I like the 2 and 3 seeds though.  Really can't beleive SUNYACS got 3 in.  Not that good of a conference.  We will see.  Rochester was at the table again for one of the final spots.  I think UR coach should look to move on..  Heard his boys folded like a cheap suit in the Clarkson game.  Fisher job is open!!  look where they are.  Could be a good fit.  Plus he could get some of us SUNYAC phys. ed guys in to play.

Just looking at it.  Thoughts BoomerIL????

Yes, the "boys" may have failed, or folded, as you put it.  That's baseball.  As for Coach Reina, you don't have a dam clue as to what type of coach or person he is.  And, as far as any of your other expert thoughts are concerned, I do believe you don't understand much of anything since you suffer from a cranial rectal inversion, and because of this affliction, have trouble seeing anything clearly. 
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: scscoach on May 18, 2010, 01:28:43 AM
I attended the LL tourney last weekend and had a great time. Two post game events stand out in my mind that I would like to mention.
The first happened after Skidmore knocked off Rochester on Saturday. The Skidmore team lined up to shake hands but the Rochester team ran out to left field. While Skidmore waited, their coach approached the Rochester dugout and spoke with the coach. The two of them shook hands then the Skidmore coach took his team to right field. I thought this was a clear act of poor sportsmanship by the host team. I understand the Rochesters coach's disappointment of watching his team collapse once again down the stretch run of a season and yes, that was Skidmore 4th straight win against his team, but he should show more class. Perhaps it's events like that one that prevent his team from building the character needed to become a champion.
The other event followed the Clarkson-Skidmore Championship game. After the game, the Skidmore team celebrated on the field. It was your typical baseball celebration scene. As it happened the Clarkson team patiently waited along the 1st baseline to shake hands. They did not pout or complain, they just waited for Skidmore to enjoy the moment. Soon after, the Skidmore team formed the traditional line and the post game hand shake took place. I was standing right next to the fence and heard over and over "congratulations", "good job" and "good luck in regionals". I was so amazed at the class of the Clarkson team who was clearly heartbroken after the loss. Following the handshake, the Clarkson team went out to right field with the coaching staff. Shortly after they got there, the plaque and banner presentaion began. The Clarkson team stopped what they were doing and hustled back into the infield to join in the honoring of Skidmore as the 2010 Champion. Only after the final words were spoken about Skidmore's championship did Clarkson return to right field to finish. Perhaps it's events like these that help to build the team character needed to become a champion, which Clarkson was in 2009.
If given the option which of these two coaches would you want your son to play for and learn from?
Congratulations to Skidmore for winning the title.
Congratulations to Clarkson for earning the respect.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: DefenseWins on May 18, 2010, 08:20:16 AM
Clarkson and Skidmore both probably the most well mannered and classiest teams of the league from what I have seen from both of them. I have seen both teams play several times and there is never any jawing with other teams, screaming at the umpired (plourde and kane take care of that) and conversation between opposing teams on and off the field (good conversation)...These two teams have been disiplined to respect the game and their competitors and i commend both staffs for doing so. Clarkson showed a great act of sportsmanship where UR did the opposite. I heard a parent of a four year player say that was the first time he didnt see both teams shake hands after a liberty league game. Im not saying the kids are disrespectful, but coach reina should know better and be better. Is it coinicidence that two of the most disiplined, classiest teams are usually there in the end? Sometimes you get the RPI squad there in the end, and we all know how good their class is. Good luck to skidmore is regionals, would love to go watch some good baseball, running out of vacation days. and great post by the previous poster to this message for noticing the class of the two teams, if  knew how to use the Karma feature you would be getting +1 from me.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: RSSmith on May 18, 2010, 08:28:30 AM
Quote from: DefenseWins on May 18, 2010, 08:20:16 AM
Clarkson and Skidmore both probably the most well mannered and classiest teams of the league from what I have seen from both of them. I have seen both teams play several times and there is never any jawing with other teams, screaming at the umpired (plourde and kane take care of that) and conversation between opposing teams on and off the field (good conversation)...These two teams have been disiplined to respect the game and their competitors and i commend both staffs for doing so. Clarkson showed a great act of sportsmanship where UR did the opposite. I heard a parent of a four year player say that was the first time he didnt see both teams shake hands after a liberty league game. Im not saying the kids are disrespectful, but coach reina should know better and be better. Is it coinicidence that two of the most disiplined, classiest teams are usually there in the end? Sometimes you get the RPI squad there in the end, and we all know how good their class is. Good luck to skidmore is regionals, would love to go watch some good baseball, running out of vacation days. and great post by the previous poster to this message for noticing the class of the two teams, if  knew how to use the Karma feature you would be getting +1 from me.

Hang around long enough (seems like about 200 posts) and the Karma feature will show up on your screen.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: reddragon00 on May 18, 2010, 09:06:33 AM
Disapointing to hear that UR did that.  Doesnt  sound like them...but there is a first for everything!  Clarkson is a class group no s=doubt but Skidmore.......Seen them play and watched there coaches complain about EVERYTHING under the sun!  Discipline is a little suspect!  Hope to see then vs. Cortland.  Looking at the Regional....cakewalk for my Red Dragons??????  Dont see much standing in there way.  No offese to Skidmore, but they have no Offense. Fisher may be tough but do they have enough arms??   Keene State i hear is pretty good.

THoughts????
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: scscoach on May 18, 2010, 10:58:11 AM
The Skidmore hitting has shown steady improvement since they were no-hit at RPI on 5/9. It's quite obvious that adjustments have been made. They are  using a much more aggressive approach at the plate and do not seem to be hitting behind in the count nearly as often.
The pitching and defense have been awesome, keeping them in most games. If the hitting continues to improve and they can survive deep enough into the tourney to match up against teams 3, 4 and 5 pitchers I like their chances. I have to agree though, Cortland is a clear favorite.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: airball55 on May 18, 2010, 12:25:10 PM
Good stuff here guys.  Maybe these are some of the reasons Clarkson and Skidmore have represented the LL the past few years.  I am looking for Skidmore to surprise in the regional.  They are flying under the radar right now.  It is a whole different game though, they will have to score runs to do some damage there.  The game with Keene St. should be one of the best in the early rounds.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on May 18, 2010, 04:09:17 PM
Being at the games Saturday at Rochester, and seeing them lose was very difficult.  To hear that the team didn't shake hands after the Skidmore game is a disappointment as well.  Sportsmanship is a part of college baseball, and for that matter, a part of life.  As competitive of a battle that a baseball game may become, the teams need to end on neutral terms.  A handshake, good job, good battle, the best team won today.

I'm not defending what did or didn't happen, but I will say that this is highly uncharacteristic of the team, Rochester, and especially Coach Reina.  They are not those types of people to ignore a handshake.  Something must have happened that made them not think about it!!.  It wasn't because they lost.  They have lost under worse circumstances in the past.  I really think they all either forgot or they were thinking of the next game against Clarkson.  It wasn't done intentionally.  I know those guys were well prepared for this tournament, but didn't come through like they expected to.  I'm not making excuses for the team or the coaches.  I do believe they just didn't think about it.  It is however a "black-eye" for the coaches and for UR.

I know there is a mutual respect for one another as far as the teams are concerned.  After the game, I asked the Skidmore shortstop, Anthony Ferri, what he and my son were talking about when my son was on second base.  He said they were teasing one another because they had played against one another for 4 years.  He said he liked the way my son played and hated when he was on base because of his stolen bases reputation.  He said he played "dirty" as all of you players say in slang terms that mean "hard, nasty, good, etc." like when a pitchers has a dirty curveball or dirty cutter.  Mr. Ferri didn't mention anything about not shaking hands, and none of the parents from the two teams did either.

I apologize for making my comment/opinion long.  I know that not shaking hands was not done intentionally, however it seems to be unfortunate that this happened. 

Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on May 18, 2010, 04:12:21 PM
Good Luck to Skidmore in representing the Liberty League in the NCAA regional.  They will surprise many.  They certainly surprised us, Rochester.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BBFan62 on May 18, 2010, 08:04:03 PM
To add to what Boomer stated, I talked to my son today and he reinforced what Boomer said, that it was not intentional, they just forgot because they knew they had to play another game right away and usually shake hands after a double header. Nobody thought about it, etc. He realizes it was a mistake and told me they were kind of stunned because of how they lost. My son knows and respects the game and his opponents and did feel bad when he realized how it is perceived. Best of luck to Skidmore; let's hope they make it all the way, because after all, they do represent the Liberty League.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BaseB13 on May 18, 2010, 09:19:31 PM
Quote from: reddragon00 on May 18, 2010, 09:06:33 AM
Disapointing to hear that UR did that.  Doesnt  sound like them...but there is a first for everything!  Clarkson is a class group no s=doubt but Skidmore.......Seen them play and watched there coaches complain about EVERYTHING under the sun!  Discipline is a little suspect!  Hope to see then vs. Cortland.  Looking at the Regional....cakewalk for my Red Dragons??????  Dont see much standing in there way.  No offese to Skidmore, but they have no Offense. Fisher may be tough but do they have enough arms??   Keene State i hear is pretty good.

THoughts????

I don't think you've watched Skidmore much at all then.  If by seeing a coach "complain" you mean arguing calls well that's part of the game.  As for the players, if you've watched them play, for an opposing team they rarely even comment about the other team, generally just rooting for themselves.  Regardless I think a Cortland homer is the last person to be commenting on other teams discipline or behavior on the field.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: airball55 on May 19, 2010, 09:18:20 AM
 I don't always side with the Rochester boys but isn't this the pot calling the kettle black in regards to Cortland and class.  That is pretty funny watching a Cortland supporter calling out another program in regards to some of the things the Red Dragons have pulled over the years.  I like Cortland a lot with what they have on the field but let's call it what it is here.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: scscoach on May 19, 2010, 02:24:42 PM
Boomer and BBfan, thanks for clearing that incident up. What your sons said makes perfect sense and I feel much better now about what happened. Congrats on a great season and winning the regular seson title.
I would like to add that UR did an amazing job of hosting the LL tourney. Everything ran very well and things were well prepared and organized. Even the programs were amazing. Good job Rochester.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on May 19, 2010, 09:13:01 PM
Quote from: scscoach on May 19, 2010, 02:24:42 PM
Boomer and BBfan, thanks for clearing that incident up. What your sons said makes perfect sense and I feel much better now about what happened. Congrats on a great season and winning the regular seson title.
I would like to add that UR did an amazing job of hosting the LL tourney. Everything ran very well and things were well prepared and organized. Even the programs were amazing. Good job Rochester.

Thanks for the "thanks."  We knew the boys wouldn't do it intentionally.  Sometimes things happen during games that create situations that appear to be mean spirited, but not at UR.  Coach Reina is a very fine person, and wouldn't allowing anything like that to happen on purpose.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: scscoach on May 19, 2010, 11:29:10 PM
I watched all four regional games today.  Rochester should be here!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: reddragon00 on May 20, 2010, 07:54:25 AM
Scscoach...I watched them all as well!  I have to agree with you.  I was disgusted by the Oneonta-Farmingdale game.  Didn't think much of Castleton as well.  I liked Keene St. and thought that game was good.  I am pretty sure this makes 3 years in a row that the NCAA has left Rochester out for an at-large.  Granted, they don't get it done in the LL tourney but the NCAA should look at the "Body of work" for the year.  Anyway, maybe I will see you there today.  Should be some good ones!!

Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on May 20, 2010, 08:58:19 AM
Quote from: scscoach on May 19, 2010, 11:29:10 PM
I watched all four regional games today.  Rochester should be here!
Quote from: reddragon00 on May 20, 2010, 07:54:25 AM
Scscoach...I watched them all as well!  I have to agree with you.  I was disgusted by the Oneonta-Farmingdale game.  Didn't think much of Castleton as well.  I liked Keene St. and thought that game was good.  I am pretty sure this makes 3 years in a row that the NCAA has left Rochester out for an at-large.  Granted, they don't get it done in the LL tourney but the NCAA should look at the "Body of work" for the year.  Anyway, maybe I will see you there today.  Should be some good ones!!



It's o.k. that Rochester didn't get in, because UR's record against Skidmore, St. John Fisher, Brockport and their SOS probably kept them out.  Besides, the experts got to see Filak pitch.

Remember these words......."any team on any given day can beat any other team."
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: trider400t on May 21, 2010, 07:41:04 PM
Quote from: BBFan62 on May 18, 2010, 08:04:03 PM
To add to what Boomer stated, I talked to my son today and he reinforced what Boomer said, that it was not intentional, they just forgot because they knew they had to play another game right away and usually shake hands after a double header. Nobody thought about it, etc. He realizes it was a mistake and told me they were kind of stunned because of how they lost. My son knows and respects the game and his opponents and did feel bad when he realized how it is perceived. Best of luck to Skidmore; let's hope they make it all the way, because after all, they do represent the Liberty League.

Intentional or not, it's up to the coaches to make sure it gets done.  I'm sorry, but it comes off as classless.  Maybe Rochester should go back to the UAA when RIT comes into the league and then it doesn't matter anymore.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: trider400t on May 21, 2010, 07:48:59 PM
Quote from: scscoach on May 19, 2010, 11:29:10 PM
I watched all four regional games today.  Rochester should be here!

Coach, you have said some great things here, but that isn't one of them.  Could Rochester have competed. Yes. Did they earn the right to compete. No. They had a chance, but rolled over against Clarkson.  Actually, I bet RPI would have been more competitive, but the NCAA Tournament is about league winners. If you don't win your league then you don't have a reason to complain.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: scscoach on May 21, 2010, 08:41:39 PM
Quote from: trider400t on May 21, 2010, 07:48:59 PM
Quote from: scscoach on May 19, 2010, 11:29:10 PM
I watched all four regional games today.  Rochester should be here!

Coach, you have said some great things here, but that isn't one of them.  Could Rochester have competed. Yes. Did they earn the right to compete. No. They had a chance, but rolled over against Clarkson.  Actually, I bet RPI would have been more competitive, but the NCAA Tournament is about league winners. If you don't win your league then you don't have a reason to complain.
I'm pretty new to D3 baseball, prior to writing that comment I was not aware of just how many teams needed to be considered for the very few at large bids. Rochester really impressed me but you are likely correct about this issue.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on May 21, 2010, 08:58:46 PM
Quote from: trider400t on May 21, 2010, 07:41:04 PM
Quote from: BBFan62 on May 18, 2010, 08:04:03 PM
To add to what Boomer stated, I talked to my son today and he reinforced what Boomer said, that it was not intentional, they just forgot because they knew they had to play another game right away and usually shake hands after a double header. Nobody thought about it, etc. He realizes it was a mistake and told me they were kind of stunned because of how they lost. My son knows and respects the game and his opponents and did feel bad when he realized how it is perceived. Best of luck to Skidmore; let's hope they make it all the way, because after all, they do represent the Liberty League.

Intentional or not, it's up to the coaches to make sure it gets done.  I'm sorry, but it comes off as classless.  Maybe Rochester should go back to the UAA when RIT comes into the league and then it doesn't matter anymore.

You're a douche bag!!!  Now, bring on the negative karma's, because what I said about you was worth it, classless or not.  P.S., you an idiot also.   ;D
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: pudge27 on May 21, 2010, 11:34:28 PM
Quote from: BoomerIL on May 21, 2010, 08:58:46 PM
Quote from: trider400t on May 21, 2010, 07:41:04 PM
Quote from: BBFan62 on May 18, 2010, 08:04:03 PM
To add to what Boomer stated, I talked to my son today and he reinforced what Boomer said, that it was not intentional, they just forgot because they knew they had to play another game right away and usually shake hands after a double header. Nobody thought about it, etc. He realizes it was a mistake and told me they were kind of stunned because of how they lost. My son knows and respects the game and his opponents and did feel bad when he realized how it is perceived. Best of luck to Skidmore; let's hope they make it all the way, because after all, they do represent the Liberty League.

Intentional or not, it's up to the coaches to make sure it gets done.  I'm sorry, but it comes off as classless.  Maybe Rochester should go back to the UAA when RIT comes into the league and then it doesn't matter anymore.

You're a douche bag!!!  Now, bring on the negative karma's, because what I said about you was worth it, classless or not.  P.S., you an idiot also.   ;D


AWESOME.  There are very few putdowns as great as douchebag.  A little perspective here.  Maybe a bad move by UR, but until it's a pattern, just chalk it up to a mistake.  UR doesn't have a bad rep in the sportsmanship category, don't give them one for a single misstep.  Mistake is one thing, classless is a whole other realm which doesn't apply here. 
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on May 22, 2010, 01:27:22 AM
Quote from: pudge27 on May 21, 2010, 11:34:28 PM
Quote from: BoomerIL on May 21, 2010, 08:58:46 PM
Quote from: trider400t on May 21, 2010, 07:41:04 PM
Quote from: BBFan62 on May 18, 2010, 08:04:03 PM
To add to what Boomer stated, I talked to my son today and he reinforced what Boomer said, that it was not intentional, they just forgot because they knew they had to play another game right away and usually shake hands after a double header. Nobody thought about it, etc. He realizes it was a mistake and told me they were kind of stunned because of how they lost. My son knows and respects the game and his opponents and did feel bad when he realized how it is perceived. Best of luck to Skidmore; let's hope they make it all the way, because after all, they do represent the Liberty League.

Intentional or not, it's up to the coaches to make sure it gets done.  I'm sorry, but it comes off as classless.  Maybe Rochester should go back to the UAA when RIT comes into the league and then it doesn't matter anymore.

You're a douche bag!!!  Now, bring on the negative karma's, because what I said about you was worth it, classless or not.  P.S., you an idiot also.   ;D


AWESOME.  There are very few putdowns as great as douchebag.  A little perspective here.  Maybe a bad move by UR, but until it's a pattern, just chalk it up to a mistake.  UR doesn't have a bad rep in the sportsmanship category, don't give them one for a single misstep.  Mistake is one thing, classless is a whole other realm which doesn't apply here. 

Putdown or not to "trider400t," here's the deal, I talked to the coach, and he said that because the first game ran long he was trying to keep on schedule to get the next game going.  He admits he/they forgot the protocol of shaking hands after the game becaues they felt like it was the usual conference doubleheader.  It was a mistake!!!  Coach apologized for the mistake to the Skidmore coach.  It wasn't intentional and the Skidmore coach understood.  This was explained before to everyone on this site, even to all who read this post.  If the explanation isn't good enough for everyone, it's to damn bad!!!!  Someone always wants to start some crap, and then keep it going.  We're supposed to be educated, intelligent people with opinions, comments, experience, and information about a defined level of college baseball, some more knowledgeable than others.  Nonetheless, some should realize that mistakes happen.  If YOU, "trider400t" want to pick-****-with-the-chickens, go ahead.  I've lowered myself to your level by venting on you, and about your stupid comment.  I've taken my share of shots from posters about UR in the past, but not this one.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: TRhit on May 22, 2010, 08:14:52 PM
Boomer


No need to apologize--I have known both coaches a few years longer than you have and I can tell that they are both fine gentlemen on top of being great baseball men--- when I saw the first "sour grapes" post regarding the situation I said there had to be some mistake because that is not the men I know.

That being said my son can play for either of them anytime---they will leave the program as a better young man

Congratulations to both Coach Reina and Coach Plourde on a fine season and special congrats to Coach Plourde on his Coach of the Year Award

By the way congrats to  Andy on his fine career at Univ of Rochester
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: trider400t on May 25, 2010, 08:09:33 PM
Quote from: BoomerIL on May 21, 2010, 08:58:46 PM
Quote from: trider400t on May 21, 2010, 07:41:04 PM
Quote from: BBFan62 on May 18, 2010, 08:04:03 PM
To add to what Boomer stated, I talked to my son today and he reinforced what Boomer said, that it was not intentional, they just forgot because they knew they had to play another game right away and usually shake hands after a double header. Nobody thought about it, etc. He realizes it was a mistake and told me they were kind of stunned because of how they lost. My son knows and respects the game and his opponents and did feel bad when he realized how it is perceived. Best of luck to Skidmore; let's hope they make it all the way, because after all, they do represent the Liberty League.

Intentional or not, it's up to the coaches to make sure it gets done.  I'm sorry, but it comes off as classless.  Maybe Rochester should go back to the UAA when RIT comes into the league and then it doesn't matter anymore.

You're a douche bag!!!  Now, bring on the negative karma's, because what I said about you was worth it, classless or not.  P.S., you an idiot also.   ;D

Hey, way to resort to name calling what are you three? No wait, youre a Rochester parent. Thanks for making my point for me. 
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: magicman on May 26, 2010, 02:33:34 AM
D3Baseball has announced their All American Teams. Dave Filak of Oneonta St. was named to the 1st team for his outstanding year on the mound. He was the only player from the SUNYAC, Liberty League or Empire 8 to make the list.

Here is the link for the complete list of All Americans:

http://www.d3baseball.com/all-american/d3baseball-allamericans-2010.pdf
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: spectator123 on December 05, 2010, 08:51:33 PM

Anything happen in fall ball that changes any projections this year...
new recruits or  transfers?
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: baseballislife on December 15, 2010, 12:11:39 PM
No nibbles on the conversation starter, eh spectator123?  In an effort to forget about the 82 feet of snow outside, I'll give it a go.  We know there are two new coaches in the LL - St. Lawrence and Union.  Any thoughts on them?  Some "key loss" thoughts:

Gotta start with the defending play-off champs....
Skidmore - Marcus- 9-2 record as SP, 2.43 ERA, started in OF when not pitching, hit .320
                  Stork-   6-3 record as SP, 3.09 ERA
                 Mendell- .330 as starting 2b
                 Cornachione- .309 as an infielder regular (3rd?)
                 Ferri- .301 as starting SS
                 Pisani- .264 as starting catcher, handled best pitching staff in the league

Defending regular season champs....
Rochester - Stein- .413 as starting SS
                  Fuke- .331 as starting 3b
                  Cannon- .327 as starting OF

                 
Play-off teams.... 
Clarkson - Magovney- 4-0 pitcher with 2.16 ERA
                Peplowski- .357 as IF/DH starter
                Torbitt- .311 OF starter
                Curry- .290 IF starter

St. Lawrence - Duff- .275 IF starter
                      Harris- .264 position player starter

Others....
RPI - Mondo- 5-2 record as SP, 2.17 ERA
        Washburn- 5-3 record as SP, 3.92 ERA
        Reardon- .385 as starting catcher
        Mamigonian- .378 as starting OF
        Robinson- .365 as starting 3b
        Krushelynski- .338 as starting 1b

Vassar - Glantz- .291 as position player starter

Union - McKelligan- team low 4.26 ERA as a pitcher, .315 BA
            Johnson- .338 as position player starter
            Mene- .311 as position player starter

On the face of it, it seems that Skidmore and RPI lost the most.  Any comments on these losses or new recruits/transfers?
         



                 

Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BBFan62 on December 15, 2010, 01:48:38 PM
BBislife (sure is!)
What a better way to spend a cold, frozen, Midwest day than type baseball.
Rochester probably has the biggest losses of all.

Stein - Player of the Year
Fuke - very steady
Cannon - Career hit record; solid defensively.
However they lost the following players as well:

Nate Kowal - leading pitcher - 7-2, 70.2 IP, 2.04 era
The other pitchers lost appear to be DiLorenzo, Rowan, Guzski (graduated), Karlsen.

The only remaining starters are Ludwig and Menke.

The incoming Freshmen look like they can fill in. However, most of the pitching is untested and a couple of the Freshmen may need to jump into starting position roles.

It is going to be very interesting! Is it spring yet??? Wake me when it is.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: DefenseWins on December 15, 2010, 03:02:55 PM
Rochester does seem to have lost alot of talent. Skidmore has also. Losing Stork, Marcus, Mendell, and Pisani hurts alot. So does losing Stein, Fuke, and those pitchers listed above. Gonna be hard to tell who is for real this year. Im sure Rochester will still be up there in terms of talent. Skidmore may have a down year due to loss of pitching and their catcher who caught almost every game for that staff. RPI may bounce back, or at least history says they should since last year was the first time they didnt make the playoffs in several years. Clarkson I think may be the team to beat this year (just a out on the limb guess right now). St Lawerence I dont have a clue. Union- new coach prolly gonna take him a couple years to formulate a competitive team if he stays (that program has been a mess).
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BBFan62 on December 15, 2010, 03:58:17 PM
Defensewins,

As we know, all teams have adjustments to make and players that must step up the following year; that's what makes all the speculation fun - you just never know.

In Rochester's case they still have veterans in Chanatry, Cacciola, Wexler, and Schwartz. Between them they logged 75.2 innings last year. Kowal did that almost on his own. With the pitching losses they have, it means between these guys and the Freshmen, 120 innings need to be absorbed.

Menke and Ludwig need to pick up about 25 innings each. Last year they logged 50.2 and 58.0 each. The guys above could each add additional innings. Schwartz should be on hand, as he will be another year removed from TJ surgery; last year he had 5.1 innings. They did pick up a couple of Freshmen that appear to be ready to contribute, but many questions do remain!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: spectator123 on December 15, 2010, 05:27:15 PM
Quote from: spectator123 on December 05, 2010, 08:51:33 PM

Anything happen in fall ball that changes any projections this year...
new recruits or  transfers?


Will the bat changes make a difference in the league this year? For instance Rochester to some degree plays small ball...will that help them? Vassar also has a very good basestealer on the team. There definitely will be more pressure on the defense especially the catchers.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BBFan62 on December 15, 2010, 06:37:32 PM
There is many opinions on the bats. In my view, if you have talented, fast,  infielders and IF your pitchers induce a lot of ground balls, you have  an edge.

It is claimed the ball won't come off the bat as fast, so I think you'll see fewer double plays, as the faster runners might beat the relay throw.

I believe you will see more small ball this year, again, because the ball will be slower as it is bunted. I don't think it helps Rochester anymore than it does other schools.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: baseballislife on December 16, 2010, 09:44:12 AM
As with every college sports season, replacing vets depends on who you replace them with.  Just because guys are replaced due to graduation, grades issues, whatever, does not mean that the newcomers will not be an improvement.  That is why I tried to list only those who were obvious "key players" (missed Kowal form UR).  In fact, as programs improve, the likelyhood of new players replacing marginal vets who are still there increases.  That is unfortunate for those that lose their spots, but it is a competitive environment.

All freshmen are unproven until they play.  It is hard to speculate on how they will perform until it happens, regardless of how highly touted they are.  Transfers, at least, usually have some body of college work to look at.  Anybody have any good transfer info?

Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: baseballislife on December 17, 2010, 12:00:39 PM
Quote from: BBFan62 on December 15, 2010, 01:48:38 PM
BBislife (sure is!)
What a better way to spend a cold, frozen, Midwest day than type baseball.
Rochester probably has the biggest losses of all.

Stein - Player of the Year
Fuke - very steady
Cannon - Career hit record; solid defensively.
However they lost the following players as well:

Nate Kowal - leading pitcher - 7-2, 70.2 IP, 2.04 era
The other pitchers lost appear to be DiLorenzo, Rowan, Guzski (graduated), Karlsen.

The only remaining starters are Ludwig and Menke.

The incoming Freshmen look like they can fill in. However, most of the pitching is untested and a couple of the Freshmen may need to jump into starting position roles.

It is going to be very interesting! Is it spring yet??? Wake me when it is.
Not spring just yet, BBfan62, 79 days till opening day....but who is counting?
You raise a good point on who UR has to replace.  League POY's are never easy to replace. Nor will be the consistency of Cannon and Fuke.  The pitching will be the key.  I don't think they will have trouble putting up runs with Caghan, Francis, and Just as their core (and several others who are capable of hitting well).  Newcomers will have to step up on the mound, but they have a veteran catcher and an excellent pitching coach to help them along.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: DefenseWins on December 20, 2010, 02:58:34 PM
American Legion is going to wood bat in 2012. Think NCAA will follow suit. Not that NCAA follows Legion baseball but this may be the beginning of trend for baseball from ages 18 and up. Personally I would like to see it. Why try to replicate a wood bat in metal form?
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: baseballislife on December 20, 2010, 03:40:27 PM
Quote from: DefenseWins on December 20, 2010, 02:58:34 PM
American Legion is going to wood bat in 2012. Think NCAA will follow suit. Not that NCAA follows Legion baseball but this may be the beginning of trend for baseball from ages 18 and up. Personally I would like to see it. Why try to replicate a wood bat in metal form?

I agree with you, DefenseWins...just go to wood and be done with it.  Someday we may look back on the collegiate "metal bat era" much like we do the "steroid era" of MLB and consider the numbers to be somewhat inflated.  Pitchers will certainly celebrate.

My son will be too old for legion ball this year and is moving on to the wood bat NYCBL next summer, but his legion league went to wood 3 years ago.  They switched back to metal for the district and state tourneys.  The good hitters still hit.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: WrongArm on December 20, 2010, 03:51:37 PM
I think the NCAA has new bat standards this year called BBCOR. The old BESR bats will be illegal. Since everyone playing NCAA baseball with metal and/or carbon fiber will have to buy new bats this year, maybe the NCAA will let the players get a year or so out of them before changing again. With all this high tech testing and rule-making to make composite and alumunim bats play like wood... maybe they should just mandate wood.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BBFan62 on December 20, 2010, 06:11:58 PM
As the father of a pitcher I say let them use a fly swatter ::)

I look forward to baseball as we used to play, as everyone claims the BBCOR bats are like wood. Heck, we played with wood at all levels, even the adult leagues I played in. Metal did not come into play until long after we finished. EARNED hits, RBI's etc., is what we will see.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: spectator123 on December 21, 2010, 05:24:50 PM
Quote from: BBFan62 on December 20, 2010, 06:11:58 PM
As the father of a pitcher I say let them use a fly swatter ::)

I look forward to baseball as we used to play, as everyone claims the BBCOR bats are like wood. Heck, we played with wood at all levels, even the adult leagues I played in. Metal did not come into play until long after we finished. EARNED hits, RBI's etc., is what we will see.

Your going to like your son's summer league...
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on December 23, 2010, 01:05:55 AM
HELLO BOYS.  IT'S ME!!!!!!   ;D

First off, happy holidays to you all!!!  This has been a hard time for me since son graduated.  The only baseball I can watch now is the junk in Chi-town.

Anyway, you boys had better boop over to the National Topics board and check out the prognosticators picks for this coming year. Excuse me, I think Collegiate Baseball Newspaper put something in to start.  Again, no consideration for the Jackets.

See you down the road.

Boomer
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: baseballislife on December 23, 2010, 02:32:30 PM
Quote from: BoomerIL on December 23, 2010, 01:05:55 AM
HELLO BOYS.  IT'S ME!!!!!!   ;D

First off, happy holidays to you all!!!  This has been a hard time for me since son graduated.  The only baseball I can watch now is the junk in Chi-town.

Anyway, you boys had better boop over to the National Topics board and check out the prognosticators picks for this coming year. Excuse me, I think Collegiate Baseball Newspaper put something in to start.  Again, no consideration for the Jackets.

See you down the road.

Boomer

Jackets have to get over the play-off hump, win the post season tourney, and get to regionals.  Until they do, the respect they probably deserve will be tempered.  Happy holidays, Boomer.  You are legend on these boards!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BBFan62 on December 23, 2010, 06:13:57 PM
Boomer! Hope all is well. We miis you and Andy (although maube not in that order). I've been over there; you are right but so is BBis Life.
I agree with BBislife, but let me say that I see Cortland is hosting the Regionals this year, again. Soooooooooooooooooooo, come and watch the Jackets play in it!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: StagnantFLY on January 13, 2011, 03:48:31 AM
Hey Guys,
Its been awhile since I have posted. I was wondering about Indy Ball. My son played at the Division 3 level and was all region player 3 times and an all conference player as well. He had very good college stats.....averaging a .350-.380 BA every year with alot of RBIs and 4-5 Home Runs. I know its a tough answer since you prob havent seen him play but do you think he has a shot at playing Indy ball? Whats the level like at Indy ball....does an above average college D3 Player have a chance to excel there? He is been trying to contact teams via email but they seem to invite him to tryouts....are these tryouts worth it? Hope someone knows more than me!

Thanks
The FLY
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BigPoppa on January 13, 2011, 09:13:39 AM
Quote from: StagnantFLY on January 13, 2011, 03:48:31 AM
Hey Guys,
Its been awhile since I have posted. I was wondering about Indy Ball. My son played at the Division 3 level and was all region player 3 times and an all conference player as well. He had very good college stats.....averaging a .350-.380 BA every year with alot of RBIs and 4-5 Home Runs. I know its a tough answer since you prob havent seen him play but do you think he has a shot at playing Indy ball? Whats the level like at Indy ball....does an above average college D3 Player have a chance to excel there? He is been trying to contact teams via email but they seem to invite him to tryouts....are these tryouts worth it? Hope someone knows more than me!

Thanks
The FLY
A tryout is the ONLY way he will get a shot. These are professional teams and they will not pay a guy to play until they see what he can do with their own eyes.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: baseballislife on January 25, 2011, 12:14:48 PM
The Liberty League board is lagging behind, fellas.  I know of a handful of UR fans that post here.....aren't there any other teams represented?

How's everyone shaping up for 2011? 

40 days till opening day.....it's 3 freaking degrees outside....I'm dyin' here.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BBFan62 on January 25, 2011, 03:43:04 PM
Quote from: baseballislife on January 25, 2011, 12:14:48 PM
The Liberty League board is lagging behind, fellas.  I know of a handful of UR fans that post here.....aren't there any other teams represented?

How's everyone shaping up for 2011? 

40 days till opening day.....it's 3 freaking degrees outside....I'm dyin' here.

935 hours 22 minutes................. we're all dying......heck,worse yet - we justhad to put up with the Bears.............now the Cubs are next :'(
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: baseballislife on January 25, 2011, 07:29:22 PM
Burn your Cutler jersey already? haha.....
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BBFan62 on January 25, 2011, 08:06:23 PM
Quote from: baseballislife on January 25, 2011, 07:29:22 PM
Burn your Cutler jersey already? haha.....
No, it came in handy to clean the litter box........
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: DefenseWins on January 26, 2011, 02:16:18 PM
How about some league predictions 1-7?? Player of the Year? Potential rookie of the year if anyone knows of a good new freshman? Representing the Liberty League in Auburn? I will give my 1-8.

1. Clarkson
2. UR
3. RPI
4. Skidmore
5. St Lawerence
6. Vassar
7. Union
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BBFan62 on January 26, 2011, 06:08:56 PM
Quote from: DefenseWins on January 26, 2011, 02:16:18 PM
How about some league predictions 1-7?? Player of the Year? Potential rookie of the year if anyone knows of a good new freshman? Representing the Liberty League in Auburn? I will give my 1-8.

1. Clarkson
2. UR
3. RPI
4. Skidmore
5. St Lawerence
6. Vassar
7. Union


Really think UR, losing the number and caliber of players they did from last year's squad and pull off a number 2 finish in the LL?

Clarkson 7 Skidmore return quite a few top guys; Vassar can hit the snot out of the ball, and Union will be improved.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BBFan62 on January 26, 2011, 06:11:15 PM
oops make that  Clarkson & Skidmore.never claimed to be a typist!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: baseballislife on January 26, 2011, 07:46:40 PM
I believe UR will be just fine.  Still have several key position players returning and I think overall the pitching will be improved. Obviously losing Kowal hurts, but if the freshman and transfers pan out like I believe they will, they will be in the mix.  UR hosting Clarkson, Skidmore, and RPI in the regular season this year tips the scales in their favor.   

I think Skidmore lost more than you think.  RPI lost quite a few key players as well.  I believe that Clarkson will be strong will be strong.  For what it is worth, here is mine:

1. UR
2. Clarkson
3. RPI
4. Skidmore
5. Vassar
6. St. Lawrence
7. Union



Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: baseballislife on January 26, 2011, 07:48:21 PM
please excuse the repeated typos.... ::)
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BBFan62 on January 26, 2011, 09:31:02 PM
Quote from: baseballislife on January 26, 2011, 07:46:40 PM
I believe UR will be just fine.  Still have several key position players returning and I think overall the pitching will be improved. Obviously losing Kowal hurts, but if the freshman and transfers pan out like I believe they will, they will be in the mix.  UR hosting Clarkson, Skidmore, and RPI in the regular season this year tips the scales in their favor.   

I think Skidmore lost more than you think.  RPI lost quite a few key players as well.  I believe that Clarkson will be strong will be strong.  For what it is worth, here is mine:

1. UR
2. Clarkson
3. RPI
4. Skidmore
5. Vassar
6. St. Lawrence
7. Union




From your fingers to God's ear...........

Yes, I think Clarkson will be very tough, as they have most of their talent returning. It should be a tough battle between UR and Clarkson. This year they meet early! RPI will be out for revenge because for the first time since around the days of Abe Lincoln, they missed the payoffs.
St. Lawrence should surprise a few people, as well as Vassar.
IF the freshman pitchers step up then UR will surprise a few people. They have the potential to have the strongest staff.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: airball55 on January 26, 2011, 11:06:29 PM
Good ole U of R posts.  I think, especially with past history that RPI would have to be considered a top 2 team for any pre-season.  Clarkson and Skidmore will be fine.  U of R, also has to be considered simply because they are a solid regular season team, the four game series seams to help them.  The rest, well, we will see.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: John McGraw on January 27, 2011, 11:56:55 AM
Quote from: airball55 on January 26, 2011, 11:06:29 PM
Good ole U of R posts.  I think, especially with past history that RPI would have to be considered a top 2 team for any pre-season.  Clarkson and Skidmore will be fine.  U of R, also has to be considered simply because they are a solid regular season team, the four game series seams to help them.  The rest, well, we will see.

Round up the usual suspects here. No shock of which teams are going to be in the top four. St. Lawrence is as always the dark horse and looks to be even more interesting with a brand new head coach in Pete Hoy.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BBFan62 on January 27, 2011, 12:19:58 PM
What better to do when Mother Nature is in one of her fickle moods and dousing us with more unwanted flakes (white kind, not posting kind!) than to speculate and stimulate typing-vation in lieu of picking up the phone for conversation.

The D3 boards will preview this region soon but I'll go ahead and look at last years 4 playoff teams, Skidmore, Clarkson, Rochester, and St. Lawrence.

Skidmore - lost 8 seniors. Key losses: Marcus, Stork, Ferri.

Need to replace; AB - 609 5 HR 74 RBI
                           P - 14-5, 164.1 IP

Clarkson - 4 SR lost
Key losses - MacGovney, Curry, Torbitt, Peplowski
Replace  AB 425  6 HR  69 RBI

St. Lawrence\4 players
Replace - AB 293  4 HR 58 RBI
               P - 1-7, 92.2 IP
Key losses Harris, Duff

Rochester
lost 13
4 seniors graduated, others cut/quit/left campus

Replace - 407 AB   5 HR 81 RBI

P - 14-7, 172.2 IP

Key losses: Cannon, Stein, Fuke , Kowal

So, the unknown factor, more for some than others, is the usual - Freshman or transfers. How will they do, etc. We'll begin to know in 37 days, which is UR's opening day in Florida.
Let's hope Ma nature is kind to us in late March, as UR has home weekends early this year!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: reddragon00 on January 29, 2011, 09:37:59 PM
Glad to see everyone on the boards again!  Always love the LL talk.  Interesting to see the pre-season conference talk going but I also find it interesting to see where some of these teams are put.  UR will have a tough time replacing 13 players from last year as well as Skidmore losing there whole infield.  I also Read that Clarkson has a kid rated as the #2 D III prospect in the country by Baseball America.  My Sleeper is Vassar.  I hope they brought in some pitching because if they did they could make a push to make the postseason!  Can't wait for the games to begin.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BBFan62 on January 31, 2011, 08:47:26 PM
Well, assuming our guys can open the door to trudge through the snow, practice begins at 6 am tomorrow!

I agree Vassar could be a sleeper, the way they attack the ball.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: Ron Ron on February 10, 2011, 06:15:02 PM
Looking at some rosters, looks like Skidmore should have brought in some more pitchers, especially to help replace Marcus, Stork, and a few pitchers that left the program.  Looks like 7 or 8 pitchers on the roster, seems low to play 4 games a weekend, plus one more during the week.  Didn't need much depth last year with the 4 starters, but I think it will be hard for the starters to duplicate what they did last year.  Could spell trouble.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: baseballislife on February 20, 2011, 11:51:22 AM
Okay, so I saw grass this week, really - no joke.  I thought it might be interesting to see when the LL teams open and see who they are playing in the games before the league schedule gets going.  Strength of schedule down south can lead to some false indicators depending on who they play.  I found it interesting that RPI plays no double headers before the league season gets going.  They would also appear to have the most challenging pre-league docket. Records are their 2010 final records  Here goes, in order of strength of schedule down south:

RPI (24-16) opens 3/5 vs. Western New England   (34-12)
                                      St. Joe's of Long Island (18-21)
                                      Ripon                           (24-17)
                                      Keystone                       (30-9)
                                      Anderson                      (26-14)
                                      Stevens IT                    (21-19)
                                      UMass Dartmouth          (20-19)
                                      Wheaton                       (34-10)
                                      Cortland                       (40-10)
                                      William Paterson            (16-21)
                                      OPPONENTS 2010 WINNING % .634

Rochester (29-12) opens 3/6 vs. Husson (2)           (23-21)
                                      Wenthworth IT (2)          (29-15)
                                      Case Western (2)           (24-18)
                                      Brandeis                        (11-24)
                                      Emory (2)                      (19-20)
                                      Washington                    (17-15)
                                      OPPONENTS 2010 WINNING % .538

Clarkson (19-18) opens 3/10 vs. Pitt - Greensburg (2) (17-21)
                                      Mt. Union (2)                  (15-20)
                                      Keene St.                      (27-17)
                                      Cortland                        (40-10)
                                      Albright (2)                     (9-27)
                                      Salem St.                      (18-18)
                                      Oswego St.                    (20-16)
                                      OPPONENTS 2010 WINNING % .487

St. Lawrence (19-20) opens 3/12 vs. Westminster    (14-27)
                                     Bethel (2)                        (24-26)
                                     Kenyon                           (11-17)
                                     Knox                               (8-24)
                                     Otterbein                         (19-20)
                                     Nichols                            (11-24)
                                     North Park                       (28-15)
                                     OPPONENTS 2010 WINNING % .437

Union (12-30) opens 3/20 vs. Hamilton                    (10-23)
                                     Hope                               (28-12)
                                     D'Youville (2)                    (5-29)
                                     Allegheny                        (25-15)
                                     Trinity College                   (19-11)
                                     OPPONENTS 2010 WINNING % .436

Skidmore (30-15) opens 3/6 vs, Stevens IT (2)        (21-19)
                                      Bethel (2)                        (24-26)
                                      Nichols                            (11-24)
                                      Kenyon                            (11-17)
                                      Millikin (2)                        (11-29)
                                      Minn. - Morris (2)              (10-24)
                                      OPPONENTS 2010 WINNING % .404

Vassar (10-27) opens 3/12 vs. Beloit                        (21-12)
                                      Sewanee                          (7-28)
                                      Fitchburg St.                      (15-19)
                                      Gallaudet                          (4-34)
                                      Brockport St.                    (23-18)
                                      Franklin & Marshall             (15-19)
                                      Mount St. Mary                  (20-31)
                                      OPPONENTS 2010 WINNING % .395

13 days till first Liberty League team plays.

                                     
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BBFan62 on February 21, 2011, 08:06:15 PM
BB life...nice job! I hope UR is ready for the challenge. I'd rather have a tough SOS than fool ourselves with  a winning record against a weak field.

Doggone..can the calender move any slower??????????

I can't wait for the games to begin..we have Skidmore and Clarkson early........hopefully the weather will cooperate!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: baseballislife on February 22, 2011, 12:40:30 PM
I agree BBfan62, I would rather see a team face tough games down south with the end goal being getting ready for league games.  Cortland has long employed that strategy and has the success to prove it works.  Of course, it can backfire if you lose toomany games down there.  Ithaca started 0-7 last year and was never able to fully recover from that.

I think UR will benefit from playing for a third straight UAA championship against some improving teams.  Emory, 19-20 last year, is off to a 5-1 start and has won there region several times in the past.  Case is also off to a 3-1 start following a season where they set a school record in wins.  Certainly not going to be a cakewalk for UR, especially since they now have a target on their back having won the tournament the last two years.

Oh well, if you want to be the best, you have to play the best - and win.  These 40 game seasons don't allow any time to duck people.  Teams that don't challenge themselves usually wind up watching the play-offs from the sidelines.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: djm222ball on March 06, 2011, 09:25:40 PM
I think Vassar, St. Lawrence and Union will all be improved this year. Vassar and Union need to improve pitching (high team era's in 10). Overall, I think the league has more parity
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BBFan62 on March 06, 2011, 10:32:15 PM
I agree; I think Vassar, Union, and St. Lawrence will be tough. St. Lawrence made the playoffs and has the horses to do it again. Vassar and Union could score runs; if they get some pitching they could have a say in the playoffs.

Rochester opened the season by taking two from Husson University (Maine), 20-5 and 4-3.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: djm222ball on March 06, 2011, 10:37:35 PM
Rochester off to a good start....couple of nice wins!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: baseballislife on March 12, 2011, 05:33:21 PM
Incredibly close games down in Florida for Rochester.  Seven out of their nine games have come down to the last AB with the winning runs for one of the teams in scoring position.  Two of them went extra innings.  The first three of them went UR's way, but the last four have not.  At 4-5, they finish with a tough Emory team on Sunday night.  I have never seen so many close games in a row.  The parity in the UAA is very apparent.

These trips are great for seeing what teams have in their "deck of cards", and with so many close games, I think it will help them later in the season.

The rest of the Liberty League (except Union) arrived in Florida this weekend for games over the next week. 
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: DefenseWins on March 15, 2011, 02:03:06 PM
I know it's early and he has only had one start. But my early pick for Pitcher of the year is the Laracuente (spelling???) kid from Skidmore. Was an anchor for that staff last year when they won the LL. Nasty stuff from what I saw in UR during the tournament.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: baseballislife on March 15, 2011, 07:50:30 PM
Big early match-up next weekend when Skidmore travels to UR for opening LL weekend.  I'm sure UR will be looking to exact some revenge from last year.  Lots of new faces on both teams.  Hopefully the weather will cooperate!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BaseB13 on March 16, 2011, 11:43:09 AM
Quote from: DefenseWins on March 15, 2011, 02:03:06 PM
I know it's early and he has only had one start. But my early pick for Pitcher of the year is the Laracuente (spelling???) kid from Skidmore. Was an anchor for that staff last year when they won the LL. Nasty stuff from what I saw in UR during the tournament.

He's a solid arm.  Their other top guy Brucato is a player too.  He received no run support last year but was real solid.  They have two very good arms that will keep them in any game.  Key will be finding some young guys to step up in the infield.

UR lost some close ones in UAA's and I see St. Lawrence lost their first few also... 
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: djm222ball on March 16, 2011, 12:12:26 PM
I agree, both of those Skidmore pitchers a great! They will be tough all season long with those 2 in the front of the rotation
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BBFan62 on March 16, 2011, 01:50:08 PM
Quote from: BaseB13 on March 16, 2011, 11:43:09 AM
Quote from: DefenseWins on March 15, 2011, 02:03:06 PM
I know it's early and he has only had one start. But my early pick for Pitcher of the year is the Laracuente (spelling???) kid from Skidmore. Was an anchor for that staff last year when they won the LL. Nasty stuff from what I saw in UR during the tournament.

He's a solid arm.  Their other top guy Brucato is a player too.  He received no run support last year but was real solid.  They have two very good arms that will keep them in any game.  Key will be finding some young guys to step up in the infield.

UR lost some close ones in UAA's and I see St. Lawrence lost their first few also... 

Well, the fun does begin early as UR opens against Skidmore and follows with Clarkson. As we saw in Florida, UR has some growing pains and also some injuries to contend with.
Even though UR has some questions, they did show they will be competitive. Now, if Ma nature cooperates, we'll be okay!
All the LL teams lost key players and will need to have the new players (Freshmen and transfers) contribute. The veterans will also need to elevate their game.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: reddragon00 on March 16, 2011, 05:24:55 PM
Weather Looks good.....so far!  RPI looks really solid but got smoked by Brockport.  See how they rebound against Cortland.  UR struggled in UAA play and it looks like the "jackets maybe in for a rebuilding year.  Why so many Freshman playing?  Wonder if the older players aren't that good.  Heard that they lost some players for the year already!!!!!  Interested to see the start up of the season in the SUNYAC and LL!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: Ron Ron on March 16, 2011, 06:27:03 PM
Skidmore got stomped by Kenyon today.  I said it before the season and I'll say it again today: If I were skidmore, I'd be worried about their pitching depth.  Brucato and Laracuente are dominant 1-2, but after them, it's a few freshmen and sophs that haven't pitched much (or at all).  They needed a position player to finish the game today, that sends me a warning sign.  Obviously it's early, but could be Brucato, Laracuente, pray for rain...
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BaseB13 on March 17, 2011, 01:31:27 PM
Quote from: Ron Ron on March 16, 2011, 06:27:03 PM
Skidmore got stomped by Kenyon today.  I said it before the season and I'll say it again today: If I were skidmore, I'd be worried about their pitching depth.  Brucato and Laracuente are dominant 1-2, but after them, it's a few freshmen and sophs that haven't pitched much (or at all).  They needed a position player to finish the game today, that sends me a warning sign.  Obviously it's early, but could be Brucato, Laracuente, pray for rain...

Probably just saving legit arms for the rest of the week.  No need to waste an arm when you're getting beat pretty good on a spring trip. 
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BBFan62 on March 17, 2011, 02:09:17 PM
Quote from: BaseB13 on March 17, 2011, 01:31:27 PM
Quote from: Ron Ron on March 16, 2011, 06:27:03 PM
Skidmore got stomped by Kenyon today.  I said it before the season and I'll say it again today: If I were skidmore, I'd be worried about their pitching depth.  Brucato and Laracuente are dominant 1-2, but after them, it's a few freshmen and sophs that haven't pitched much (or at all).  They needed a position player to finish the game today, that sends me a warning sign.  Obviously it's early, but could be Brucato, Laracuente, pray for rain...

Probably just saving legit arms for the rest of the week.  No need to waste an arm when you're getting beat pretty good on a spring trip. 

I think giving your pitchers a few innings throughout the trip serves them well. Why save arms? Florida means nothing other than padding the wins, depending upon the caliber of the competition. What counts is the LL season and playoffs. Win the tournament and, regardless of your record, you're in. So, the first goal is to be one of the 4 teams.

In regards to RedDragons comments........Yep UR lost a freshman and a key player for the year. We had another injury, but that player should be able to comeback, although, if he does, he may miss a start or two. We won't know for sure for about a week or so.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: Ron Ron on March 17, 2011, 03:41:51 PM
what happened to Kowal from Rochester? Wasn't he only a frosh last year?
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: spectator123 on March 17, 2011, 05:38:33 PM
Quote from: Ron Ron on March 17, 2011, 03:41:51 PM
what happened to Kowal from Rochester? Wasn't he only a frosh last year?

Kowal did not come back to school in the fall.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BBFan62 on March 17, 2011, 08:28:41 PM
Quote from: Ron Ron on March 17, 2011, 03:41:51 PM
what happened to Kowal from Rochester? Wasn't he only a frosh last year?

Rochester lost Kowal due to academic reasons and Guski to graduation. The rest were cut, due to a strong class of incoming arms..............7 guys over 90........oh wait, too much Irish beer and wishful thinking. back to the drawing board.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: scscoach on March 20, 2011, 09:56:05 PM
Quote from: Ron Ron on March 16, 2011, 06:27:03 PM
Skidmore got stomped by Kenyon today.  I said it before the season and I'll say it again today: If I were skidmore, I'd be worried about their pitching depth.  Brucato and Laracuente are dominant 1-2, but after them, it's a few freshmen and sophs that haven't pitched much (or at all).  They needed a position player to finish the game today, that sends me a warning sign.  Obviously it's early, but could be Brucato, Laracuente, pray for rain...
Skidmore went 7-1 on the Florida trip. As for the rotation, Brucato and Laracuente are solid at the top. It looks like the #3 and #4 guys are Keysor and Rudman. Keysor was the setup man last year and posted a 2.10 ERA while averaging more than a strike out per inning. Rudman was the closer and posted a 0.68 ERA with 7 saves while being named to the LL 1st team as a relif pitcher. Both are off to good starts. Keysor left after 7 with a 4-2 lead in his first start but did not get the win. In his second start (on 3 days rest) he took a 2 hitter into the 7th before running out of gas, but still got the win. Rudman got one start in Florida and got the win while only allowing one unearned run and 3 hits in a 7-inning game. Skidmore used position players to finish up the 15-2 loss to save arms for the upcoming 4 games they had scheduled in the next two days. It looks like Martins will be the setup guy and Stafutti the closer. I'm optomistic about the staff but I'm also a Skidmore fan. Time will tell, but no one is praying for rain yet.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: airball55 on March 21, 2011, 12:38:03 AM
Nice trip for the Thoroughbreds.  May get a vote or two in the poll.  It will depend on how the coaches see the schedule they played which may have been the weakest in the LL.  Good to see RPI, Clarkson, Rochester and St. Lawrence going after some of the better teams and getting a few wins along the way.  RPI beat Cortland after getting beat by Brockport and Clarkson split with the SUNYAC's Red Dragons (Oneonta and Cortland).  Vassar's start cooled some when they ran into better teams.  Toss up in this league right now. 
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BBFan62 on March 21, 2011, 10:39:10 AM
Quote from: scscoach on March 20, 2011, 09:56:05 PM
Quote from: Ron Ron on March 16, 2011, 06:27:03 PM
Skidmore got stomped by Kenyon today.  I said it before the season and I'll say it again today: If I were skidmore, I'd be worried about their pitching depth.  Brucato and Laracuente are dominant 1-2, but after them, it's a few freshmen and sophs that haven't pitched much (or at all).  They needed a position player to finish the game today, that sends me a warning sign.  Obviously it's early, but could be Brucato, Laracuente, pray for rain...
Skidmore went 7-1 on the Florida trip. As for the rotation, Brucato and Laracuente are solid at the top. It looks like the #3 and #4 guys are Keysor and Rudman. Keysor was the setup man last year and posted a 2.10 ERA while averaging more than a strike out per inning. Rudman was the closer and posted a 0.68 ERA with 7 saves while being named to the LL 1st team as a relif pitcher. Both are off to good starts. Keysor left after 7 with a 4-2 lead in his first start but did not get the win. In his second start (on 3 days rest) he took a 2 hitter into the 7th before running out of gas, but still got the win. Rudman got one start in Florida and got the win while only allowing one unearned run and 3 hits in a 7-inning game. Skidmore used position players to finish up the 15-2 loss to save arms for the upcoming 4 games they had scheduled in the next two days. It looks like Martins will be the setup guy and Stafutti the closer. I'm optomistic about the staff but I'm also a Skidmore fan. Time will tell, but no one is praying for rain yet.

Keysor did a nice job last year. I felt he'd be a starter this year, as he proved he can "get 'er done". The Skidmore staff will be one of the better staffs, no doubt.

Meanwhile, it appears this week might be a big challenge weather-wise. The early forecast calls for about 33 - 34 degrees Saturday & Sunday, with cold for this Wednesday (UR vs. St. John Fisher) as well. So, who knows if the games will be played. In the long run, that would help UR because they lost 2 starters for the year and one of their rotation guys is still recovering from a Florida injury that still might require surgery. The extra week would really help.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: Ron Ron on March 21, 2011, 12:55:06 PM
I will give Skidmore credit for a good trip, but the quality of competition they faced in Florida isn't what it used to be (whether it was playing 4 against Rochester, playing Wooster, St Joes, others).  Also, still a long way to go for the 3 and 4 pitchers to hold up, as well as seeing the staff as a whole in 4 game weekends (against much better teams that have seen Keysor and Rudman before).  Certainly there is reason for optimism, but as many people can say (especially over in the SUNYAC board regarding Plattsburgh), a good spring trip against lesser competition does not mean a successful season will ensue.  Record wise and experience wise, great trip for the T-Breds.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: LLbaseball on March 21, 2011, 06:32:14 PM
I was down in FL watching some games (RPI fan) and watched several games.  I saw RPI get hammered by Brockport, then walk through Stevens.  I saw Vassar hang tough with Brockport, which I was impressed by to say the least.... Vassar is much better this year.  And I saw Clarkson vs. Albright where Goerold was not sharp at all.... and Clarkson cannot hit at all.

It is a toss up.  Skidmore did not play anyone on their trip.  They should've finished 7-1.  Millikin? Minnesota-Morris? Bethel?  Come on.  The league is wide open this year for sure.  We shall see what happens.... if the fields ever clear from the snow.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BaseB13 on March 21, 2011, 07:05:59 PM
I think giving your pitchers a few innings throughout the trip serves them well. Why save arms? Florida means nothing other than padding the wins, depending upon the caliber of the competition. What counts is the LL season and playoffs. Win the tournament and, regardless of your record, you're in. So, the first goal is to be one of the 4 teams.

In regards to RedDragons comments........Yep UR lost a freshman and a key player for the year. We had another injury, but that player should be able to comeback, although, if he does, he may miss a start or two. We won't know for sure for about a week or so.
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If you're getting romped in one game of a spring trip, and you're playing eight games in one week, you would be better served to save your bullpen for upcoming games and pitch anyone, even a position player instead.  That's why you would save arms.  No need to bring in a decent reliever when you're down by 12.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: scscoach on March 22, 2011, 01:25:38 PM
I agree with many on here, the league looks wide open. RPI's win over Cortland should give the Liberty League a little more credibility. Good job RPI. I'm picking RPI, Skidmore, Rochester and Clarkson (in no particular order) to make the LL tourney. PS...I'm a Skidmore fan
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: NY2on2out on March 22, 2011, 01:53:03 PM
Just wondering, how hard do pitchers throw in this conference (LL)?

Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BigPoppa on March 22, 2011, 02:10:54 PM
Quote from: NY2on2out on March 22, 2011, 01:53:03 PM
Just wondering, how hard do pitchers throw in this conference (LL)?



Most D3 guys land anywhere between 82-88 mph while a few reach into the lower 90s. It has nothing to do with the conference as much as it does the individual.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BBFan62 on March 22, 2011, 02:29:52 PM
Quote from: BigPoppa on March 22, 2011, 02:10:54 PM
Quote from: NY2on2out on March 22, 2011, 01:53:03 PM
Just wondering, how hard do pitchers throw in this conference (LL)?



Most D3 guys land anywhere between 82-88 mph while a few reach into the lower 90s. It has nothing to do with the conference as much as it does the individual.

Speed without movement will only get you so far. As they say, pitching is like a good real estate investment...location......location......location. UR has several guys in the upper 80's with 2 or 3 at the 90 threshold.  A few of the hitters thrive on hard fastballs.

However, regardless of how hard someone throws, hitters will eventually time it. You need that second and third pitch for long term success.

The UR staff has the talent to keep them in the game against almost anybody. The 4-6 record from Florida resulted from 3 one run losses and 1 two run loss. In the UAA tournament, Rochester played 4 games prior to the tournament, most other teams played 10. Once the bats wake up, UR will be okay.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: baseballislife on March 22, 2011, 03:09:42 PM
Quote from: scscoach on March 22, 2011, 01:25:38 PM
I agree with many on here, the league looks wide open. RPI's win over Cortland should give the Liberty League a little more credibility. Good job RPI. I'm picking RPI, Skidmore, Rochester and Clarkson (in no particular order) to make the LL tourney. PS...I'm a Skidmore fan

scscoach,

I agree with your picks, although nobody better sleep on Vassar.  Lots of parity in the LL this year.  Whoever survives will be more than battle tested.  Get ready for an uncomfortable weekend of games if you come west for the UR / Skidmore series.  IF they play it, it will be right around freezing.  It will probably come down to whether or not the predicted snow comes tomorrow and how quickly it goes away.

UR is scheduled to play St. John Fisher tomorrow, but that is unlikely to happen.  That is easy to make up later being 15 minutes from eachother.  A four game weekend set is another matter.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: scscoach on March 22, 2011, 05:25:07 PM
I am planning on making the trip. Is UR still using Towers Field? Someone was telling me they built a new park with artificial surface. Hopefully there is no wind this weekend to go with the brutal temperatures.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: baseballislife on March 22, 2011, 05:45:46 PM
I'm afraid Towers field is still their home.  Last I heard the new field will be ready for the 2013 season.  Fieldturf will be a real asset for getting these early season games in down the road, but for now it is still the same field.  FYI, the plan is to put it in the same place.

I agree on the wind!  It usually blows directly at the spectators and away dugout.



Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BBFan62 on March 22, 2011, 06:13:53 PM
Quote from: scscoach on March 22, 2011, 05:25:07 PM
I am planning on making the trip. Is UR still using Towers Field? Someone was telling me they built a new park with artificial surface. Hopefully there is no wind this weekend to go with the brutal temperatures.

We're flying in for the games......I think I'll wear a snowmobile suit. Given the weather forecast, I think the games won't be played. But, at least we can see our guys. In fact I think the next 2 weeks are very iffy.
Pity the "bees in the handle"!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: baseballislife on March 22, 2011, 08:24:35 PM
safe travels to you.....I'm thinking they won't be playing until the Clarkson series 10 days from now, but you never know.  I had heard UR tried to move the Fisher game to today, but it takes 2 to tango.  Too bad, it was 45 and cloudy....playable.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: baseballislife on March 23, 2011, 12:20:58 PM
UR - Fisher game is postponed.  No surprise there  ::).

Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: scscoach on March 23, 2011, 01:39:09 PM
Is it snowing today? I'm wondering if Skidmore will make the trip this weekend? The forcast does not look warm enough to melt any snow between now and Saturday.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BBFan62 on March 23, 2011, 01:57:13 PM
Quote from: scscoach on March 23, 2011, 01:39:09 PM
Is it snowing today? I'm wondering if Skidmore will make the trip this weekend? The forecast does not look warm enough to melt any snow between now and Saturday.

I don't think they'll be played, but we'll be there regardless. I looked at the schedule for both teams and I think they'll have a tough time making the games up.
It would help some of the UR guys nursing injuries if they had another week off. But, the weather forecast is almost as bad for next weekend!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: baseballislife on March 23, 2011, 06:08:31 PM
I would very much doubt they will play this weekend.  It looks like friggin' January out there right now - with no warm up coming for at least 5 days.  Skidmore has the RPI series on the only open weekend for UR before the play-offs.  Things are going to be jam packed if they do find a way to play them.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BBFan62 on March 24, 2011, 08:58:45 AM
Quote from: baseballislife on March 23, 2011, 06:08:31 PM
I would very much doubt they will play this weekend.  It looks like friggin' January out there right now - with no warm up coming for at least 5 days.  Skidmore has the RPI series on the only open weekend for UR before the play-offs.  Things are going to be jam packed if they do find a way to play them.

Ah, Mother Nature ye olde fickle one - I guess it's your way of saying, "Get well guys". Heck, I'm thinking UR might not be able to play before April 6, if then.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: baseballislife on March 24, 2011, 11:51:38 AM
I just think it stinks that some of these might not be able to be made up.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BBFan62 on March 24, 2011, 01:32:19 PM
Quote from: baseballislife on March 24, 2011, 11:51:38 AM
I just think it stinks that some of these might not be able to be made up.

DITTO!!!!!!
But whats worse is my cancellation fees for our airline tickets.......and it could happen next week too!! But, it's still cheaper than flying out to just sit in a hotel room, I guess.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: scscoach on March 24, 2011, 05:52:50 PM
Quote from: baseballislife on March 24, 2011, 11:51:38 AM
I just think it stinks that some of these might not be able to be made up.

Too bad the games are not scheduled for Skidmore, it's supposed to be a balmy 35 on Saturday and 37 on Sunday.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: scscoach on March 24, 2011, 07:19:11 PM
Just heard that the Skidmore/Rochester series has been changed. They will play a two game series at St. Rose on Saturday. Not sure if the other two games have been scheduled for a later date or just cancelled. St. Rose is in the Albany area.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: baseballislife on March 24, 2011, 08:12:23 PM
So you guys didn't get any of that snow out your way, scs?  I don't care if they play 'em on the moon, so long as they get to play them all!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: scscoach on March 24, 2011, 08:32:53 PM
We got a couple inches Tuesday where I live, but I am 165 miles north of Albany. The forcast for Albany on Saturday is 34 and sunny. I wonder if they will reschedule the other two games.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: djm222ball on March 24, 2011, 08:41:10 PM
Albany did not get any snow the other day, they are clear to play with no problem!

BTW....Union crushed Allegheny today 17-7 with 20 hits....impressive win since they had defeated 2 top 15 teams recently!! They have been in every game in Florida
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: baseballislife on March 24, 2011, 08:43:38 PM
I would hope they would try and make up the other two as well.  Maybe they will try and do a double header in Rochester later so they don't lose their whole home field advantage for the series....
Are you in Plattsburgh?
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: scscoach on March 24, 2011, 08:50:16 PM
Quote from: baseballislife on March 24, 2011, 08:43:38 PM
I would hope they would try and make up the other two as well.  Maybe they will try and do a double header in Rochester later so they don't lose their whole home field advantage for the series....
Are you in Plattsburgh?
15 miles West of Plattsburgh, in Saranac
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: baseballislife on March 24, 2011, 09:17:50 PM
I went to college in Plattsburgh......good times.  I see the College of St. Rose field is not on their campus, but at Hoffman Park.  Brand new facility last year.  Looks nice...
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BBFan62 on March 25, 2011, 03:34:37 PM
Just finished canceling the trip to UR for this weekends games :'(........Okay ol' ma nature...you can send spring now so we can play next weekend! If UR and Skidmore were playing all 4 games in Albany, I'd still fly in (land in Buffalo-it's MUCH cheaper than Rochester) and make the long drive to Albany. But, since they're only playing Saturday..........it even tests my limits!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: baseballislife on March 25, 2011, 04:43:22 PM
Apparently there is some league rule that they can only play 2 and not 4 in this scenario.  I have no idea what the reasoning would be for that.  So UR loses 4 home dates.  Oh well, we'll miss you at the football, ERRRR, I mean baseball games tomorrow, BBfan62.

I did learn that they plan to reschedule the Fisher game at least.  So we got that going for us......which is nice.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BBFan62 on March 25, 2011, 06:56:57 PM
Quote from: baseballislife on March 25, 2011, 04:43:22 PM
Apparently there is some league rule that they can only play 2 and not 4 in this scenario.  I have no idea what the reasoning would be for that.  So UR loses 4 home dates.  Oh well, we'll miss you at the football, ERRRR, I mean baseball games tomorrow, BBfan62.

I did learn that they plan to reschedule the Fisher game at least.  So we got that going for us......which is nice.

Thanks! Keep me posted.......BTW, as far a colleges go....I graduated (with honors) from Psychotic State.......
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: DefenseWins on March 26, 2011, 07:11:18 PM
Where is Lowry for skidmore this year?
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: ocho on March 27, 2011, 09:21:39 AM
Lowry dislocated a finger near the end of the basketball season. Return unknown.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BBFan62 on March 27, 2011, 10:52:03 AM
UR earned a split with Skidmore to commence league play. It was a good test for the YellowJackets because they were without 3 of their starters. One is lost for the year, a second will be back next game, while the third guy is iffy for another week or so.

Looking around the league, I think it will be a close battle all the way to the end, base on the results this first week.
Today's games have been postponed and the weather for the upcoming week is no more promising than the week just wrapping up.

Did someone tick off the baseball gods?
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: baseballislife on March 27, 2011, 07:08:51 PM
Some early LL thoughts and results...

Clarkson takes 3 of 4 from Vassar, although all 4 games are one run decisions. Some have been talking of Vassar as a sleeper.  They backed it up this weekend with 4 close games against a pre-season favorite in Clarkson.

RPI takes 3 of 4 from SLU.  Looked like a probable 4 game sweep until SLU put up 6 runs before RPI got an out in game 4.  Seems like RPI can put up a lot of runs, but have not had many close games to test their pressure handling abilities.  Several blow-outs for and against them so far.

UR happy to get a split after having to travel 4 hours last minute to play two "home" games.  The other two will not be made up.  UR needs to get healthy and play with their full deck.  All teams have to deal with injuries (so no excuses), but they are down to like 2-3 returning starters from last year due mostly to injuries.  Four pitching arms also unavailable due to injury.  The freshmen and transfers are getting valuable experience.  UR showed some late life in going for the 2 game sweep until Rudman slammed the door.

Union off and traveling home from Florida, where I am sure the weather was much nicer than NY last week!!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: airball55 on March 27, 2011, 10:55:34 PM
I still think RPI is still better than people think.  I can't see them duplicating last years disappointment.  Any time you get three of four of the road it is a good thing on the road and Clarkson did that.  Vassar is going to be a tough team for everyone at home.  Hard to tell as of now who is ahead of who in the LL. 
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BBFan62 on March 28, 2011, 09:50:03 AM
Quote from: airball55 on March 27, 2011, 10:55:34 PM
I still think RPI is still better than people think.  I can't see them duplicating last years disappointment.  Any time you get three of four of the road it is a good thing on the road and Clarkson did that.  Vassar is going to be a tough team for everyone at home.  Hard to tell as of now who is ahead of who in the LL. 

RPI and Clarkson out in front at 3-1 records. However, look at the overall record for each team. Only Skidmore, at 8-2 had a fast start. Overall Clarkson is 7-5, Rochester 5-7, etc.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: airball55 on March 28, 2011, 12:00:22 PM
SKidmore's record is a result a bit more of their southern schedule then the strength of team.  RPI, Clarkson and Rochester certainly challenged themselves more then Skidmore.  Not that Skidmore won't challenge but overall records certainly don't show strength of schedule.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: LLbaseball on March 28, 2011, 12:13:29 PM
I agree that RPI will be tough this year.  They shouldn't be knocked out of the playoffs again.

UR seems like they have some healing to do, could be a long season for those guys.  I think Skidmore and Vassar are going to be pains in the you know what this year.  Vassar/Clarkson had 4 games all decided by 1 run. Clarkson only scored 2 more runs on the weekend than Vassar.

This is going to be exciting.... now for week 2!!

Predictions on week 2 anyone?
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: DefenseWins on March 28, 2011, 03:55:08 PM
Quote from: LLbaseball on March 28, 2011, 12:13:29 PM
I agree that RPI will be tough this year.  They shouldn't be knocked out of the playoffs again.

UR seems like they have some healing to do, could be a long season for those guys.  I think Skidmore and Vassar are going to be pains in the you know what this year.  Vassar/Clarkson had 4 games all decided by 1 run. Clarkson only scored 2 more runs on the weekend than Vassar.

This is going to be exciting.... now for week 2!!

Predictions on week 2 anyone?

Skidmore v Vassar- split
St Lawerence v Union- Split
Clarkson v UR- Split

Team ERA's are pretty high from what I have seen. Lack of pitching this year?? Or too early?
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BBFan62 on March 28, 2011, 05:27:34 PM
Quote from: DefenseWins on March 28, 2011, 03:55:08 PM
Quote from: LLbaseball on March 28, 2011, 12:13:29 PM
I agree that RPI will be tough this year.  They shouldn't be knocked out of the playoffs again.

UR seems like they have some healing to do, could be a long season for those guys.  I think Skidmore and Vassar are going to be pains in the you know what this year.  Vassar/Clarkson had 4 games all decided by 1 run. Clarkson only scored 2 more runs on the weekend than Vassar.

This is going to be exciting.... now for week 2!!

Predictions on week 2 anyone?

Skidmore v Vassar- split
St Lawerence v Union- Split
Clarkson v UR- Split

Team ERA's are pretty high from what I have seen. Lack of pitching this year?? Or too early?


Skidmore 3-1 vs. Vassar
St. Lawrence 3-1 vs. Union
Ma Nature 2 . UR, Skidmore 0
UR 1 Skidmore 1
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: airball55 on March 28, 2011, 10:53:53 PM
Skidmore vs. Vassar 2-2 (was going to lean towards Skidmore here, but I have a hunch)
St. Law @ Union 2-2 (Not very adventurous here, St. Law. has the better arms)
Clarkson @ UR 3-1 (I know the Rochester boys will be upset here, tough place to play, but I am going with the Knights here)

Tough weekend to call.  Usually I would never go against UR in the regular season, but, maybe just maybe they reverse the trend a bit this year and do better in the post season??
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BBFan62 on March 29, 2011, 09:57:31 AM
Quote from: airball55 on March 28, 2011, 10:53:53 PM
Skidmore vs. Vassar 2-2 (was going to lean towards Skidmore here, but I have a hunch)
St. Law @ Union 2-2 (Not very adventurous here, St. Law. has the better arms)
Clarkson @ UR 3-1 (I know the Rochester boys will be upset here, tough place to play, but I am going with the Knights here)

Tough weekend to call.  Usually I would never go against UR in the regular season, but, maybe just maybe they reverse the trend a bit this year and do better in the post season??

Airball55, I tend to agree with you. However, I'm afraid that if the weather forecast for Rochester is correct we might not play at all this weekend. But, if we do get in all 4 it could go either way.
Yes, I believe Rochester will be better later in the season as the newbies gain experience, the bats wake up, and the injuries are overcome.
All in all, the guys did a nice job against Skidmore this weekend. Francis will be back but we don't know whether or not Menke will be available. He is scheduled to throw a bullpen either today or tomorrow to see if he can go. We have capable backups but we're a tad stronger with these two guys in there.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: scscoach on March 29, 2011, 12:18:15 PM
Quote from: BBFan62 on March 28, 2011, 05:27:34 PM
Quote from: DefenseWins on March 28, 2011, 03:55:08 PM
Quote from: LLbaseball on March 28, 2011, 12:13:29 PM
I agree that RPI will be tough this year.  They shouldn't be knocked out of the playoffs again.

UR seems like they have some healing to do, could be a long season for those guys.  I think Skidmore and Vassar are going to be pains in the you know what this year.  Vassar/Clarkson had 4 games all decided by 1 run. Clarkson only scored 2 more runs on the weekend than Vassar.

This is going to be exciting.... now for week 2!!

Predictions on week 2 anyone?

Skidmore v Vassar- split
St Lawerence v Union- Split
Clarkson v UR- Split

Team ERA's are pretty high from what I have seen. Lack of pitching this year?? Or too early?


Skidmore 3-1 vs. Vassar
St. Lawrence 3-1 vs. Union
Ma Nature 2 . UR, Skidmore 0
UR 1 Skidmore 1
Skidmore 3-1 vs. Vassar
Union 3-1 vs. St. Lawrence
Rochester 3-1 vs. Clarkson
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: baseballislife on March 29, 2011, 04:13:59 PM
Quote from: airball55 on March 28, 2011, 10:53:53 PM
Skidmore vs. Vassar 2-2 (was going to lean towards Skidmore here, but I have a hunch)
St. Law @ Union 2-2 (Not very adventurous here, St. Law. has the better arms)
Clarkson @ UR 3-1 (I know the Rochester boys will be upset here, tough place to play, but I am going with the Knights here)

Tough weekend to call.  Usually I would never go against UR in the regular season, but, maybe just maybe they reverse the trend a bit this year and do better in the post season??
Haha....you won't get any upset comments from this UR fan, airball55!  It's not necessarily a bad thing to fly under radar a little this time of year instead of being the odds on favorite.  I still like UR at home vs. a Clarkson team that has not really found its stride yet either.  Obviously the end goal is to win the tournament.  UR will have its doubters until they get over that hump.  Just like the '04 Red Sawx.

As for the weather, the forecast is improving as the week goes on.....still cold as hell out there, but at least the field is visible!

UR 3-1
Skidmore/Vassar 2-2
Union/SLU 2-2
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: airball55 on March 29, 2011, 09:15:18 PM
Anytime the Jackets are home, I usually like their chances.  This league is as balanced as I have ever seen it.  There seems to be a divide still, Vassar is improving but until they can at least split at home regularly they have a long way to go.  Clarkson, Rochester, RPI and Skidmore are all good enough to come out of this league which is a nice change from the early days of RPI dominating, then the past decade Clarkson, Rochester and Skidmore have caught up.  U R right (that was lame I know) about the Jackets and the postseason.  You wouldn't think that a stigma like that would stick considering the turnover in players, but it certainly has.  Let's hope it warms up this weekend.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: djm222ball on March 29, 2011, 10:40:48 PM
Vassar looks to be tough, gave Clarkson abattle every game, I would not sleep on them...solid offense! Union looked solid in Florida with a big win over Alleghney and battles with Hope College...need more arms, but heading in the right direction.

Clarkson 2 UR 2
Vassar 2 Skidmore 2
Union 3 STL 1
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: DefenseWins on March 30, 2011, 09:54:16 PM
I am going by strictly numbers and articles I have seen posted on team's webistes. RPI's Ciesko and Skidmore's Laracuente seem to be the front runner (IMO) for Pitcher of the Year. Saw Ciesko pitch last year and he was down right dominate and appears to have not lost a step. RPI seems to be back to their normal ways, winning. They appear to have the deepest staff in the league and they swipe bags and swing the bats. LL tourny in Troy NY this year where everyone's favorite RF fence is?
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: airball55 on March 31, 2011, 12:19:37 AM
Goerold from Clarkson and Cook from St. Lawrence had great years last year as well.  Cook got roughed up a bit last season.  Ciesko is good, he will go right at you in the upper 80's with a decent breaking ball.  LL is underrated a bit when it comes to pitching, as is the region in general. 
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: DefenseWins on March 31, 2011, 09:34:26 AM
Everyone ready for this snowstorm??? This weekend looks dismal for most sites, it appears the most well off will be St Lawerence, Clarkson, UR. Mother Nature sure does not care much about northeast baseball this year. Skidmore and UR are already two games short of a normal LL season. How will other teams most likely missing games this weekend impact the end of the season?

Also, league standing tie breakers does it go-
1. Win % (with some teams having different number of games does the higher win % get in over a team say with maybe more wins but a few more losses?)
2. Head to Head
3. Record vs top 4 teams
4-??????

Anyone have the LL tie breakers?
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BBFan62 on March 31, 2011, 10:10:28 AM
Quote from: airball55 on March 31, 2011, 12:19:37 AM
Goerold from Clarkson and Cook from St. Lawrence had great years last year as well.  Cook got roughed up a bit last season.  Ciesko is good, he will go right at you in the upper 80's with a decent breaking ball.  LL is underrated a bit when it comes to pitching, as is the region in general. 

With respect to LL games, UR has 3 guys from last year that were pretty good in Menke, Ludwig, and the closer King. Anything can happen year to year, but these 3 were dominant in conference games and put up numbers on par or better than some of the notable names. Hopefully, they can repeat.

Just need good old fashion baseball weather to prevent them all from getting rusty.
This weekend looks like chaos will reign, as rain/snow mix will mess everything up for this weekend at UR.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: baseballislife on March 31, 2011, 03:41:35 PM
Quote from: BBFan62 on March 31, 2011, 10:10:28 AM
Quote from: airball55 on March 31, 2011, 12:19:37 AM
Goerold from Clarkson and Cook from St. Lawrence had great years last year as well.  Cook got roughed up a bit last season.  Ciesko is good, he will go right at you in the upper 80's with a decent breaking ball.  LL is underrated a bit when it comes to pitching, as is the region in general. 

With respect to LL games, UR has 3 guys from last year that were pretty good in Menke, Ludwig, and the closer King. Anything can happen year to year, but these 3 were dominant in conference games and put up numbers on par or better than some of the notable names. Hopefully, they can repeat.

Just need good old fashion baseball weather to prevent them all from getting rusty.
This weekend looks like chaos will reign, as rain/snow mix will mess everything up for this weekend at UR.

Actually, I have it on good authority that the field at UR should be fine this weekend.  plus, the forecast just changed with sun on both Friday and Saturday now.  I'm upgrading my prediction from 30% (playing) to 65% in favor...haha.  Not hearing good things about the weather out east this weekend, though. 
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BBFan62 on March 31, 2011, 06:16:23 PM
Quote from: baseballislife on March 31, 2011, 03:41:35 PM
Quote from: BBFan62 on March 31, 2011, 10:10:28 AM
Quote from: airball55 on March 31, 2011, 12:19:37 AM
Goerold from Clarkson and Cook from St. Lawrence had great years last year as well.  Cook got roughed up a bit last season.  Ciesko is good, he will go right at you in the upper 80's with a decent breaking ball.  LL is underrated a bit when it comes to pitching, as is the region in general. 

With respect to LL games, UR has 3 guys from last year that were pretty good in Menke, Ludwig, and the closer King. Anything can happen year to year, but these 3 were dominant in conference games and put up numbers on par or better than some of the notable names. Hopefully, they can repeat.

Just need good old fashion baseball weather to prevent them all from getting rusty.
This weekend looks like chaos will reign, as rain/snow mix will mess everything up for this weekend at UR.

Actually, I have it on good authority that the field at UR should be fine this weekend.  plus, the forecast just changed with sun on both Friday and Saturday now.  I'm upgrading my prediction from 30% (playing) to 65% in favor...haha.  Not hearing good things about the weather out east this weekend, though. 

We're coming in regardless.it cost $150 per ticket to cancel last week. At least the hotels and car rental agencies aren't as smutty as the airlines! We're bring a blanket and heavy jackets. Probably 3 boxes of kleenex as well!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: DefenseWins on April 01, 2011, 12:19:20 PM
Only about an inch of snow in the Capital District area and most of it is slushy stuff. I think most teams in the area are going to try and play tomorrow.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BBFan62 on April 01, 2011, 09:02:46 PM
Finally!!!!!!!!!!  Live stats and live audio for Rochester home games!!!!!!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: baseballislife on April 01, 2011, 09:21:42 PM
Now we just need that new stadium!  In any case, pretty decent night in the ROC tonight.  We should be good for the home opener tomorrow....Play Ball!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: airball55 on April 02, 2011, 09:07:56 PM
Interesting day today.  Clarkson sweeps the Jackets at U of R.  Skidmore drops two at Vassar.  Nice sweep for the Brewers.  St. Lawrence splits at Union with a blowout in game two.  Rochester is getting some tough teams out of the way earlier this season, but, better not dig too big a hole.  Go easy on your Jackets tonight on here fellow posters. 
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: baseballislife on April 02, 2011, 09:53:13 PM
I guess they (UR) will just have to keep lacin' 'em up and working through their issues.  Some bright spots again today, but they have had trouble getting the big hit when they need it.  Another 1 run loss, but tough to compete when you go in the hole 5-0 and have to play catch up all the time.  Not time to panic. 

Nice bounce back day for Vassar after dropping 4 of 5. 

I think we will see a lot of back and forth this year.  Clarkson is off to a good start in the league, but with 4 of the 5 wins by one run.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: DefenseWins on April 03, 2011, 01:00:22 AM
Quote from: baseballislife on April 02, 2011, 09:53:13 PM
I guess they (UR) will just have to keep lacin' 'em up and working through their issues.  Some bright spots again today, but they have had trouble getting the big hit when they need it.  Another 1 run loss, but tough to compete when you go in the hole 5-0 and have to play catch up all the time.  Not time to panic. 

Nice bounce back day for Vassar after dropping 4 of 5. 

I think we will see a lot of back and forth this year.  Clarkson is off to a good start in the league, but with 4 of the 5 wins by one run.


Goes for any team at any level, good teams win the close games ( Clarkson winning 4 of 5 one run games).
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: LLbaseball on April 03, 2011, 06:45:09 AM
Interesting day yesterday..... I didn't think UR would drop the first two of the series.  They definitely need to bounce back today.  Injuries are killing them right now. 

Vassar taking two from Skidmore????  Wow.  I guess the Brewers can play a little.  6 league games so far, all 1 run games, 3 in extra innings?  Crazy.  But great for the league.

St. Lawrence should sweep today.  And now for day 2......
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: baseballislife on April 03, 2011, 09:11:33 AM
Quote from: DefenseWins on April 03, 2011, 01:00:22 AM
Quote from: baseballislife on April 02, 2011, 09:53:13 PM
I guess they (UR) will just have to keep lacin' 'em up and working through their issues.  Some bright spots again today, but they have had trouble getting the big hit when they need it.  Another 1 run loss, but tough to compete when you go in the hole 5-0 and have to play catch up all the time.  Not time to panic. 

Nice bounce back day for Vassar after dropping 4 of 5. 

I think we will see a lot of back and forth this year.  Clarkson is off to a good start in the league, but with 4 of the 5 wins by one run.


Goes for any team at any level, good teams win the close games ( Clarkson winning 4 of 5 one run games).
You are absolutely right, DefenseWins.  I was just trying to illustrate the competitiveness of the games.  Clarkson has earned their wins as much as Vassar and UR did not earn them.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: airball55 on April 03, 2011, 09:52:16 AM
Yes, one run wins are nice, especially on the road.  Clarkson certainly has to be happy o off to a 5-1 start away from their campus.  Vassar as everyone has been speaking about is certainly better and if they can get another one today jumps back into the conference race, but, they have played both of their series at home.  Who is injured for U of R?  Everyone goes through injuries, lets hope they get back whoever they are missing soon. 
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: Ron Ron on April 03, 2011, 03:20:28 PM
mentioned my concerns with Skidmore's lack of depth on the pitching staff.  Lot of walks, lot of unproven arms, lot of question marks behind Laracuente.  They better figure things out soon, or it could be a long season.  They certainly had to replace a lot more than I think some people realize.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: baseballislife on April 03, 2011, 09:29:12 PM
Quote from: airball55 on April 03, 2011, 09:52:16 AM
Yes, one run wins are nice, especially on the road.  Clarkson certainly has to be happy o off to a 5-1 start away from their campus.  Vassar as everyone has been speaking about is certainly better and if they can get another one today jumps back into the conference race, but, they have played both of their series at home.  Who is injured for U of R?  Everyone goes through injuries, lets hope they get back whoever they are missing soon. 

UR has lost:
starting 2nd baseman Bezek, starting C Storme, freshman C Pollakov, P Povero all with season ending injuries.  P Sheffler is recovering from shoulder surgery and has not pitched yet.  A couple other pitchers dealing with issues that are limiting their innings. They lost Menke for three games with a mild knee injury, although he returned this weekend.  Couple those with the losses of Stein, Cannon, and Fuke along with a couple of cuts that were made and you have a lot of new faces on a smallish roster.

No excuses, though.  They have to play better.  They know it.  The bats came alive with 15 hits in the finale vs. Clarkson and they are @ St. Lawrence next weekend.  Every series will be critical for most of the LL teams this year.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: djm222ball on April 03, 2011, 09:32:59 PM
Union and St. Lawrence split again today! St. Lawrence held on for a wild 12-10 win in game 2 today.....Union swinging the bats!!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: baseballislife on April 03, 2011, 09:35:43 PM
Standings after two weekends:

Clarkson    6-2
RPI            3-1
Vassar       4-4
Union         2-2
SLU            3-5
UR             2-4
Skidmore   2-4

Next week:
RPI @ Vassar    UR @ SLU      Union @ Clarkson     Skidmore has the LL bye next week.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: Ron Ron on April 03, 2011, 09:38:26 PM
The Skidmore coaching staff loves to switch lineups, batting orders, pitching rotations, and basically everything they can try to put their own fingerprints on (which usually wind up hurting players' confidences/rhythms), but I'm not quite sure why they would move the 1-2 starters (Laracuente/Brucato) to day two against Vassar.  Who knows if they had gone day 1 if anything would have changed, but I just think it's a weird ploy.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: DefenseWins on April 03, 2011, 11:03:05 PM
Quote from: Ron Ron on April 03, 2011, 09:38:26 PM
The Skidmore coaching staff loves to switch lineups, batting orders, pitching rotations, and basically everything they can try to put their own fingerprints on (which usually wind up hurting players' confidences/rhythms), but I'm not quite sure why they would move the 1-2 starters (Laracuente/Brucato) to day two against Vassar.  Who knows if they had gone day 1 if anything would have changed, but I just think it's a weird ploy.

Maybe they pitched last Sunday against UR in their 2 game set???? Did they play on last Sunday??? Maybe Skidmore is realizing that by matching up Brucato and Laracuente with every elses 3-4 (pending other teams actually throw their #3 and #4 in game 3 and 4) they have a good chance of at least getting 2 each weekend. Only time that hurts them is when what happened this weekend at Vassar happens. Wasn't expecting a 3 of 4 from Vassar I though Skidmore would salvage a split.

Clarkson who was my pre season pick is proving why, I just think they are the most well rounded team in the league. Watch out for RPI though they are playing very well this year.

Union & Vassar are in the playoffs if the league ended today!!!!! How often could we say that over the past several years!!!! But the season is still young and Union and Vassar will have to play the Clarkson's , RPI's , and UR's to keep their Cinderella hopes alive.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: baseballislife on April 04, 2011, 07:35:06 AM
Yup....Clarkson was my pick to host the tourney, too.  I'm sticking with it.  Long way to go and weather cancellations could play a definite role this year.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: reddragon00 on April 04, 2011, 08:16:08 AM
Had a chance to watch the UR-Clarkson games yesterday.  Game 1 was close as Clarkson Pitcher was doing well.  They seem to have pretty good starting arms which could prove big.  Bullpen is a little shaky.  UR starter wasn't bad just made some bad pitches which cost them.  Game 2,UR woke up and swung it.  Saw Coach Reena (??) after and this guys still thinks his team has plenty more to show.  Said the injuries piled up fast but giving playing time to the young kids.  I could see that looking around the diamond as with infield is filed with 1st year playing time guys.  I asked if it was re-building year and he quickly shot back that it was not...not with potential of pitching staff.  Hold faith UR posters, Coaching staff thinks, when healthy, this team can play with anyone.  Clarkson looks good!  The Kinney kid wore our UR pitchers out over the weekend.  They need to sew up the defense, but they could be hosting the tourney.  Hopefully no snow during the tournament!!!  Liked what I saw from them!  As always...Go Red Dragons!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: baseballislife on April 04, 2011, 11:54:05 AM
Thanks for the objective opinion, reddragon00.  Sort of confirms what I saw, but sometimes you can be too close to the situation.  Kinney and Coleman a good 1-2 punch, plus Kinney came in and shut down a bases loaded, 1 out threat in Clarkson's 8-7 win in game 2.  He pretty much prevented the series split.

I will say several of the younger guys had solid weekends and are getting more comfortable.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: airball55 on April 04, 2011, 03:56:36 PM
Good stuff on here today.  Rochester has the benefit of scheduling ahead of them with RPI the only real big dog left.  They should be able to make up ground against Vassar, Union and St. Lawrence.  Clarkson is still going to get better, they haven't really pitched that well yet, but, they have solid end of game guy now with Kinney and the line-up has nice depth.  I will take one for the team here and pick the weekend.

U of R @ SLU:  Tough one here, both teams could use a 3-1.  I will go with U of R with 3 here against my first thoughts
RPI vs. Vassar-  I am going with an RPI sweep here.  I just don't think Vassar can get them out.  If they are going to get one, better do it day one or hold the best arms back.  4-0 RPI
Union @ Clarkson- I want to take the Knights here for 4.  But, that last game seems to be a bit of an issue with that last starter.....  I will go with 3-1 and that hurts me some, I have to admit, kind of a Clarkson fan.  I root a bit for the upstate teams considering they usually can't get out until much later up there.


Skidmore has St. Joe's and I will go with a split there. 
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: DefenseWins on April 04, 2011, 06:22:01 PM
Quote from: airball55 on April 04, 2011, 03:56:36 PM
Good stuff on here today.  Rochester has the benefit of scheduling ahead of them with RPI the only real big dog left.  They should be able to make up ground against Vassar, Union and St. Lawrence.  Clarkson is still going to get better, they haven't really pitched that well yet, but, they have solid end of game guy now with Kinney and the line-up has nice depth.  I will take one for the team here and pick the weekend.

U of R @ SLU:  Tough one here, both teams could use a 3-1.  I will go with U of R with 3 here against my first thoughts
RPI vs. Vassar-  I am going with an RPI sweep here.  I just don't think Vassar can get them out.  If they are going to get one, better do it day one or hold the best arms back.  4-0 RPI
Union @ Clarkson- I want to take the Knights here for 4.  But, that last game seems to be a bit of an issue with that last starter.....  I will go with 3-1 and that hurts me some, I have to admit, kind of a Clarkson fan.  I root a bit for the upstate teams considering they usually can't get out until much later up there.


Skidmore has St. Joe's and I will go with a split there. 

I just don't think that Vassar & Union are the pushovers they used to be. Especially Vassar. That being said U R does need to take some 3 of 4's from these teams to be in the top of the league.

Ur @ STL--- I like UR to sweep( I think STL is down, UR will play with a sense or urgency and handle the Cardinals)
RPI @ Vassar---- I like RPI 3-4 ( Maybe a game two win for Vassar, Look for Ciesko to get pitcher of the week this week)
Union @ Clarkson--- Clarkson 3-4  ( Wouldn't be shocked with a 2-2, Union has two freshmen that can throw it that they used in both 7 inning games this past weekend)

Skidmore off
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: airball55 on April 05, 2011, 01:12:18 AM
St. Lawrence are the Saints.  Careful, there are some Plattsburgh bashers on the Sunyac side and we don't want them creeping over here.  St. Lawrence isn't an easy series with Cook, Considine and Conde.  Careful when you play them
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: baseballislife on April 05, 2011, 06:58:55 AM
I don't think you will have to worry about UR taking anybody lightly this year.  Mmmm....maybe that will be a good thing in the long run.

Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: LLbaseball on April 05, 2011, 11:11:37 AM
Weekend Predictions:

UR/St. Lawrence - split
Vassar/RPI - split (Vassar is going to have to work to get it done for sure, but I think they can do it)
Clarkson/Union - Clarkson takes 3

I would like to say UR would win that series, but I just think they are very thin with all the injuries.  Obviously losing Stein and Fuke was hard on them, but then everything else that has happened has been very tough on them. 

Funny enough. Fuke is still in the league.  I see he is coaching at Vassar now.  Interesting.

Let's hope the weather holds up!!


Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: baseballislife on April 05, 2011, 12:42:14 PM
The forecast for Canton has improved to sunny and highs in the 50's.  Only one day between now and Sunday with any showers predicted and that is only30% on Friday.  Maybe that is the answer, just drive north to the good weather!

I'm going with:

UR in a sweep over SLU if they don't have to use any pitching against Fisher tomorrow (rain out?). If they play tomorrow, I would say 3-1 UR on the weekend.

RPI 3-1 over Vassar.  Not sure the Vassar arms are quite ready for the RPI sticks.  I look for RPI's 1-2 starters to win and they'll split the other two in high scoring games.

Clarkson 4-0 over Union.  Home opener for Clarkson, decent weather, they'll be ready to extend their lead.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: DefenseWins on April 05, 2011, 02:12:37 PM
Quote from: airball55 on April 05, 2011, 01:12:18 AM
St. Lawrence are the Saints.  Careful, there are some Plattsburgh bashers on the Sunyac side and we don't want them creeping over here.  St. Lawrence isn't an easy series with Cook, Considine and Conde.  Careful when you play them

Apologies on the Cardinals reference. As a PSU alum I see red and white and think Cardinals. I agree with you on the Saints pitching perspective. Cook was last years pitcher of the year, and not for no reason, he can throw and beat anyone. Considine, just going by numbers, has not been as good this year as last, he has the stuff to dominate though, he just needs to harness it and go after hitters. Conde has been a surprise in the league as well as for the Saints this year. Originally their game 4 starter got moved up to game 2 and performed just as well if not better this past weekend.

Weather scaring me for this weekend. If there is one thing this league really can not afford it is more rain outs. Get the squeegees ready!!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: Ron Ron on April 05, 2011, 10:58:00 PM
Quote from: DefenseWins on April 03, 2011, 11:03:05 PM
Quote from: Ron Ron on April 03, 2011, 09:38:26 PM
The Skidmore coaching staff loves to switch lineups, batting orders, pitching rotations, and basically everything they can try to put their own fingerprints on (which usually wind up hurting players' confidences/rhythms), but I'm not quite sure why they would move the 1-2 starters (Laracuente/Brucato) to day two against Vassar.  Who knows if they had gone day 1 if anything would have changed, but I just think it's a weird ploy.

Maybe they pitched last Sunday against UR in their 2 game set???? Did they play on last Sunday??? Maybe Skidmore is realizing that by matching up Brucato and Laracuente with every elses 3-4 (pending other teams actually throw their #3 and #4 in game 3 and 4) they have a good chance of at least getting 2 each weekend. Only time that hurts them is when what happened this weekend at Vassar happens. Wasn't expecting a 3 of 4 from Vassar I though Skidmore would salvage a split.

Clarkson who was my pre season pick is proving why, I just think they are the most well rounded team in the league. Watch out for RPI though they are playing very well this year.

Union & Vassar are in the playoffs if the league ended today!!!!! How often could we say that over the past several years!!!! But the season is still young and Union and Vassar will have to play the Clarkson's , RPI's , and UR's to keep their Cinderella hopes alive.


They did pitch Sunday but going to Saturday the next weekend is 5 full days off, so that doesn't matter.  Additionally, you can never go into a series (especially against a team like Vassar, yes they are improved, but no, they aren't RPI from 8 years ago) hoping to win only 2 games, and putting your 2 best pitchers in the 3 and 4.  There's no way to know if anything would have changed if Brucato/Laracuente had pitched the first game, but I'll take Laracuente over anyone in the liberty league right now, and then 2 vs 2, 3 vs 4, 4 vs 4 sounds a whole lot better than 3 vs 1, 4 vs 2, 2 vs 3 (Skidmore first in all those).  Just my 2 cents.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: scscoach on April 06, 2011, 01:16:25 PM
Quote from: Ron Ron on April 03, 2011, 03:20:28 PM
mentioned my concerns with Skidmore's lack of depth on the pitching staff.  Lot of walks, lot of unproven arms, lot of question marks behind Laracuente.  They better figure things out soon, or it could be a long season.  They certainly had to replace a lot more than I think some people realize.
You are correct, Skidmore lost 2 of the 4 weekend starting pitchers, the #1 catcher, the 2B, 3B, SS and CF. Plus the leading HR/RBI/#3 hitter from last year is out until further notice. There are alot of new faces and new roles on this years team, it's just a matter of time until they get things in place in my opinion. Hopefully that happens soon or this season will just go down as a rebuilding one.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: scscoach on April 06, 2011, 01:20:21 PM
Quote from: Ron Ron on April 03, 2011, 09:38:26 PM
The Skidmore coaching staff loves to switch lineups, batting orders, pitching rotations, and basically everything they can try to put their own fingerprints on (which usually wind up hurting players' confidences/rhythms), but I'm not quite sure why they would move the 1-2 starters (Laracuente/Brucato) to day two against Vassar.  Who knows if they had gone day 1 if anything would have changed, but I just think it's a weird ploy.
Ron Ron, they are using the 1 and 2 guys (Brucato and Laracuente) in the 9 innings games. Seems like a good stategy to me as they are both much stronger and more experienced than 3 and 4, and also more likely to be able to go 9.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BaseB13 on April 06, 2011, 01:24:59 PM
Well they did get 18 innings out of their top two arms.  Perhaps that was the thinking behind it.  That those two guys are good enough to get 9 innings each against Vassar.  And they did.  Doesn't look like the pitching was an issue in 3 of the 4 games.  Now I think against better hitting teams perhaps you change that order and throw the top arms in the 7 inning games.  (No knock to Vassar on that but they're not the hitting power of a team such as RPI).  And it is easy to say you need to match your 1 vs another teams 1 etc but you don't necessarily know when the other team is throwing which arms.  You can hypothesize based on the past etc. 
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: Truthfinder on April 06, 2011, 02:24:13 PM
Quote from: Ron Ron on April 03, 2011, 09:38:26 PM
The Skidmore coaching staff loves to switch lineups, batting orders, pitching rotations, and basically everything they can try to put their own fingerprints on (which usually wind up hurting players' confidences/rhythms), but I'm not quite sure why they would move the 1-2 starters (Laracuente/Brucato) to day two against Vassar.  Who knows if they had gone day 1 if anything would have changed, but I just think it's a weird ploy.

Mark us confused.

Some would say it's a smart move to have the 1 and 2 going in the 9-inning games.

I'm watching an episode of Spencer For Hire and it dawns on me that I think other teams in the league will do the same thing soon.

Really don't understand all the second-guessing of coaching that goes on in this league. So many of these guys spend so much time standing behind the guys who let them down by becoming academically ineligible as upperclassmen, then welcome them back once the GPAs are in order. You never hear those stories. It's always these guys want to put "fingerprints" on their teams.

Duh. That's what coaches do. It's time for alumni across the LL to stand up for their schools, show a little love for their alma maters, and not keep grinding those axes for no reason.

Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: Ron Ron on April 06, 2011, 06:08:00 PM
1. I have no affiliation with Skidmore. nor any D3 baseball team.

2.  I made a mistake, I thought I saw they were Brucato/Laracuente second day.  Stricken my mis-informed comments form the record books.  I apologize for everything muttered by me in the last few days.  I hope you guys can find it in your hearts to forgive me.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: airball55 on April 06, 2011, 08:07:12 PM
The truth man is back.  I do enjoy your posts but, you are Mr. Negativety in regard to a certain SUNYAC school.  Good to see you are alive but I do't really see anything wrong with the banter on here.  Heck, we even have the Rochester guys on here calling it down the middle!!  And they used to have the Jackets in the tournament every year.

Before you Rochester guys jump all over me, I have a weird feeling that this may be the year they make their deepest run, if they get in.  Don't really have a reason why, just the game is funny sometimes and when you don't think you have a shot, it can happen.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BBFan62 on April 07, 2011, 09:06:34 AM
Quote from: airball55 on April 06, 2011, 08:07:12 PM
The truth man is back.  I do enjoy your posts but, you are Mr. Negativety in regard to a certain SUNYAC school.  Good to see you are alive but I do't really see anything wrong with the banter on here.  Heck, we even have the Rochester guys on here calling it down the middle!!  And they used to have the Jackets in the tournament every year.

Before you Rochester guys jump all over me, I have a weird feeling that this may be the year they make their deepest run, if they get in.  Don't really have a reason why, just the game is funny sometimes and when you don't think you have a shot, it can happen.

Thanks for the kind thoughts. Yeppers, the start UR is off to is below our pre-season expectations but in the long run (IF Ma Nature allows LL games to be played!) the freshmen and the transfers received valuable experience that we hope equates to success as the season progresses.

The bats seem to be awakening, but our team batting average (.289) is still way below what it should be. Our opponents BA is .299, so our pitching is coming around. We do, despite the 6.17 team ERA have some  very good arms. The guys need to step up and make their pitches. All in all, things are moving in the right direction.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on April 07, 2011, 10:25:59 AM
Quote from: airball55 on April 06, 2011, 08:07:12 PM
The truth man is back.  I do enjoy your posts but, you are Mr. Negativety in regard to a certain SUNYAC school.  Good to see you are alive but I do't really see anything wrong with the banter on here.  Heck, we even have the Rochester guys on here calling it down the middle!!  And they used to have the Jackets in the tournament every year.

Before you Rochester guys jump all over me, I have a weird feeling that this may be the year they make their deepest run, if they get in.  Don't really have a reason why, just the game is funny sometimes and when you don't think you have a shot, it can happen.

You're absolutely right in your comments!  I was the big "homer" that felt the Jackets should have made it to the regional tournament the last 2-3 years.  However, when you can't perform in the conference tournament, all respect was lost for UR.  I've eaten my words and been humbled many times believing in those teams in trying to get their first regional bid, tournament win or otherwise.  But, when you win your conference, host the tournament, and then not perform, who can blame anyone for not thinking UR has much of a chance.

Injuries have really hurt the Jackets, especially in some very key positions. The biggest challenge this season was to try and win most of their in-region games, not putting so much emphasis on winning the Liberty League.  Even if they finished 4th in the league, at least they were still in the tournament.  Just like you said, "the game is funny sometimes and when you don't think you have a shot, it can happen."

I'm hoping they put it together and get those bats hot!!  
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: ocho on April 09, 2011, 06:21:13 AM
"lot of question marks behind Laracuente."

Are you standing by this statement Ron Ron? LOL.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: airball55 on April 09, 2011, 06:39:25 PM
Clarkson gets two from Union, first game went 12 innings.  Union will do well to get one in that series.  Kinney is on fire for the Knights.  RPI and Vassar split.  Vassar is truly getting better and it appeared that they could have got both, they had 12 hits on RPI ace Ciesko.  St. Lawrence and Rochester not complete yet, Cook shuts out Rochester in game one 5-0.  Waiting on nightcap.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: LLbaseball on April 09, 2011, 06:52:24 PM
I just got back from RPI/Vassar games today..... Vassar could've definitely won both.  The were a big hit away from winning game 1 against Ciesko.  They hit him around all day.  It's UNREAL how much better that team has gotten in past 2 years.  The arms over there are good enough to win for sure and they can flat out swing it.  20+ hits on the day.

Day 2 could be interesting....

I agree, Union will be happy getting 1 tomorrow.  I hope Rochester can salvage a decent weekend.  They need it!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: baseballislife on April 09, 2011, 07:21:36 PM
Rochester broke out in Game 2, winning 12-1 on 17 hits.  Freshman SP Steve Cool went 7 innings, 3 hits, 1 ER.  Freshman Chris Davis 3 for 5, 2 doubles and a grand slam...6 RBI.  Senior Steve Just 4 for 6.  Every UR starter had a least one hit.

In game one, 8 walks and 2 hits batsmen in six innings doomed UR as Cook pretty much shut them down.
LL standings through today:

Clarkson   8-2
RPI            4-2
Vassar      5-5
SLU           4-6
UR             3-5
Union        2-4
Skidmore   2-4


BIG day tomorrow for UR/SLU
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: airball55 on April 10, 2011, 09:11:31 PM
Today's results:
Clarkson splits with Union: 3-1 on weekend and that 4th game is giving them some problems right now.
RPI sweeps Vassar with two 5-4 wins:  That series could have had any combination of results.  Amazing how close Vassar is getting and how RPI is just another good team, not a dominant team, in the LL

SLU and Rochester split:  Not a huge surprise here. 

Next week:
Skidmore @ Union
RPI @ Rochester
Vassar @ SLU

With only two teams above .500 in league, it will make for a fun race for the late spots.  Clarkson and RPI would really have to falter to not make league.  That series may decide home field.  The SLU/Vassar series is a big one for those teams early.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: Ron Ron on April 11, 2011, 05:27:38 PM
Quote from: ocho on April 09, 2011, 06:21:13 AM
"lot of question marks behind Laracuente."

Are you standing by this statement Ron Ron? LOL.

I believe you misinterpreted this statement Ocho.  I meant, after Laracuente, who is lights out, there are question marks.  Meaning, once you get past Laracuente's starts/the bullpen, there are plenty of question marks and what ifs.  A few freshmen are stepping up, but still not a lot of confidence in the pitching staff, other than Laracuente. 
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BaseB13 on April 12, 2011, 12:42:30 AM


I believe you misinterpreted this statement Ocho.  I meant, after Laracuente, who is lights out, there are question marks.  Meaning, once you get past Laracuente's starts/the bullpen, there are plenty of question marks and what ifs.  A few freshmen are stepping up, but still not a lot of confidence in the pitching staff, other than Laracuente. 
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Not entirely sure what you're talking about Ron Ron.  You don't have confidence behind Laracuente even though the player who had the best numbers on one of the top pitching staffs in the country that year has returned also?  (Brucato).  Not to mention Rudman has settled in nicely after switching from the pen.  And I'd say for a number four Keysor is solid.  Yes there's some young guys in the bullpen but that was no different from last year.  I don't think pitching is this teams weakness at all. 

They're swinging the bats alright without their top hitter too.  Defensively they have some freshman playing up the middle and there will be some growing pains for sure.  A lot of hating.


I think airball mentioned RPI just being a good team in the LL.  I think it's been that way for the last 5 of 6 years now.  They're good.  Always will be good.  But there were times when they was a massive gap between them and the rest of the league.  That all seems to have come to a halt since 2005 when they didn't win th league for the first time. They have had one or two teams in the last five years that put up similar numbers to those previous RPI teams although it's tough to really compare since the switch to the 24 conference game format.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: LLbaseball on April 13, 2011, 11:02:01 AM
Ok boys, I'll take first crack at the weekend predictions:

Skidmore/Union -- split. I think Laracuente and Brucato will win, but the other 2 games are wide open and I can see Union squeaking them out.

RPI/Rochester -- RPI takes 3.  I think RPI is clearly the better team. Sorry Yellowjacket fans.

Vassar/St. Law -- I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that Vassar takes 3.  I think they can really do it.  I expect them to make a playoff push.

Anyone else??
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: airball55 on April 13, 2011, 03:44:34 PM
Skidmore/Union:  I will also go with a split here
RPI/Rochester:  RPI 3 of 4.  Lots at stake here
Vassar/St. Lawrence:  At SLU, I will take the Saints 3 of 4. 

Our predictions should be in the USA today or something!!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: djm222ball on April 14, 2011, 11:18:45 PM
Quote from: LLbbguy on April 14, 2011, 01:52:35 PM
Who do you all think are the top players at each position in the LL? I am speaking defensively rather than about batting averages...ability to play the position?

Coleman of Clarkson is an amazing shortstop, if he does not make a great play in game 1 vs Union, they don't win

Heck of Union is a great right fielder with a strong arm, he has thrown out 3 runners at 1st after they hit a single to right (no single) with his arm

Grainger of Clarkson looks like a solid catcher
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BBFan62 on April 15, 2011, 10:15:11 AM
Quote from: djm222ball on April 14, 2011, 11:18:45 PM
Quote from: LLbbguy on April 14, 2011, 01:52:35 PM
Who do you all think are the top players at each position in the LL? I am speaking defensively rather than about batting averages...ability to play the position?

Coleman of Clarkson is an amazing shortstop, if he does not make a great play in game 1 vs Union, they don't win

Heck of Union is a great right fielder with a strong arm, he has thrown out 3 runners at 1st after they hit a single to right (no single) with his arm

Grainger of Clarkson looks like a solid catcher

Ditto on Coleman. He made a great play vs. UR, throwing a runner out from very deep in the hole.

UR players Caghan (RF) and Francis (CF) are 2 of the better outfielders in the Liberty League.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: LLbaseballfan on April 15, 2011, 08:50:17 PM
Alright everyone, here's how this weekends games are gonna go.

Skidmore/Union:  Union takes 1 of 4.   Laracuente gets rocked for the one loss.
RPI/Rochester:  RPI 4 of 4.  Johnny Rio goes 0-weekend
Vassar/St. Lawrence:  4-0 Saints. Vassar's Cinderella run ends in canton.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: DefenseWins on April 16, 2011, 12:00:38 AM
Quote from: LLbaseballfan on April 15, 2011, 08:50:17 PM
Alright everyone, here's how this weekends games are gonna go.

Skidmore/Union:  Union takes 1 of 4.   Laracuente gets rocked for the one loss.
RPI/Rochester:  RPI 4 of 4.  Johnny Rio goes 0-weekend
Vassar/St. Lawrence:  4-0 Saints. Vassar's Cinderella run ends in canton.

Saints poster high on the Saints this weekend!!!! I don't know about 4 of 4 but I think 3 of 4. I think Cooke Considine and Conde (can we start calling them the 3 C's or come up with some kind of cool nickname??) get the job done and they take 3 of 4.

Union v Skidmore- Split         Dont think Laracuente gets rocked haha. I actually think he pitches another shutout. This kid has the most next level talent in the league next to Coleman. High 80's with movement.

RPI v UR- RPI 3 of 4. Tough one here I want to take UR because they are at home (I think) but that did not help them against Clarkson and I think RPI is a baby step behind Clarkson in terms of talent.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: airball55 on April 16, 2011, 11:10:38 AM
Saw U of R.  They are in trouble against teams who run if the kid who caught yesterday is behind the dish.  RPI doesn't run like they used to but I am sure they will look to exploit that weakness.  Fisher can run, so that is just a bad matchup for the Just kid.  He can swing it though.  That is a huge concern for the Jackets if he gets most of the games back there.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: scscoach on April 16, 2011, 11:16:56 AM
Quote from: LLbaseball on April 13, 2011, 11:02:01 AM
Ok boys, I'll take first crack at the weekend predictions:

Skidmore/Union -- split. I think Laracuente and Brucato will win, but the other 2 games are wide open and I can see Union squeaking them out.

RPI/Rochester -- RPI takes 3.  I think RPI is clearly the better team. Sorry Yellowjacket fans.

Vassar/St. Law -- I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that Vassar takes 3.  I think they can really do it.  I expect them to make a playoff push.

Anyone else??
I'm going out on a big limb and taking Vassar, RPI and Skidmore all to sweep this weekend.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: reddragon00 on April 16, 2011, 04:08:32 PM
airball...Saw the same game....Checking out Fisher.   UR is in trouble and far from what they used to be.  As much as Coach R told me they weren't re-building....they are.  Just can swing it but not a catcher.  He is getting no help from the upperclassman in terms of production.  Looks like all the freshman are beating older guys out.  Short term problem, long term bonus!!  Like the Fisher DI LHP transfer but would like to see him against a higher caliber team.  I do have to say....to listen to Fisher run their mouths was brutal!  Kind of Bush if I have to say. 

Mother Nature may ruin this weekend around here!!!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: airball55 on April 17, 2011, 10:14:48 AM
Yeah, I heard some of the talking.  I guess there are two sides to that story, I actually thought it started the other way and then it was "game on" from there.  Regardless, let's hope we get some games in this weekend.  Skidmore got two from Union yesterday and if they get all four will help separate them some.  Cold out today, but, maybe we will get some games in.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: baseballislife on April 17, 2011, 10:53:23 AM
There was jawing going in both directions at that game (as is pretty much always the case in these situations).  Gotta disagree with you, airball, on where it started.  I was at the 6-5 Fisher win the week before between these two and Fisher does love to run their mouths a bit.  I think it went back to that game.  I thought all that yelling and screaming in an effort to disrupt a pitchers delivery ended in little league?  Pretty obnoxious and seems kind of bush to me.  Having said that, they are enthusiastic and they have that "swagger" that successful teams have.  I would like to see more fire out of UR.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: baseballislife on April 17, 2011, 10:56:19 AM
UR - RPI is down to one game today (maybe).  They will try and play one 9 inning game at 4pm.  DH on Monday still on the docket as far as I know.  60 mph winds somehow blew the tarp off the field and dumped the water.  Still VERY windy and cold.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: baseballislife on April 17, 2011, 01:01:17 PM
SLU comes from behind to win on 2 run single walk-off over Vassar in the completion of game 1 from yesterday.  I believe this series has been reduced to 3 games, same as RPI/UR.  Lots of close losses for Vassar this year, but at 5-8 in LL, they need at least 1 win today to stay close to the pack.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: airball55 on April 18, 2011, 08:53:40 AM
I have made a decision not to discuss the trashtalk stuff on here. 
U of R gets one from RPI, good win there for them.
Union salvages the last from Skidmore.
St. Law. sweeps Vassar.  Saints can make a nice move with 3 out of 4 or sweep.

Rochester set up for a good series beating Ciesko.  Very little will be determined this weekend as usual.  Clarkson gets to sit back and watch everyone beat each other up.  Cold again today, advantage Saints.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: baseballislife on April 18, 2011, 11:07:04 AM
Agree on your decision, airball.  UR scheduled to play games 2 and 3 of their series with RPI today.  Two 7 inning games.  I think they will get one in, the second is very iffy as yet another front coming in.

Great weekend for SLU, as they got some separation from Vassar and Union.  Lots of good young talent in their starting 8.  They still have to play Clarkson and Skidmore, though.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: baseballislife on April 18, 2011, 04:24:55 PM
Another miserable day in upstate NY as the UR-RPI series is shortened to 2 games.  RPI takes game 2 to earn the split.  Current standings with three league weekends left:

Clarkson   9-3
RPI           7-3
SLU           8-7
Skidmore  5-5
UR            5-7
Union       4-8
Vassar     5-10

Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BBFan62 on April 20, 2011, 08:21:55 PM
Quote from: baseballislife on April 18, 2011, 04:24:55 PM
Another miserable day in upstate NY as the UR-RPI series is shortened to 2 games.  RPI takes game 2 to earn the split.  Current standings with three league weekends left:

Clarkson   9-3
RPI           7-3
SLU           8-7
Skidmore  5-5
UR            5-7
Union       4-8
Vassar     5-10



A second cancellation for UR this week....this is getting darn right depressing! UR & Vassar should get in the Friday DH, but Saturday is doubtful!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BBFan62 on April 23, 2011, 10:41:12 AM
Sitting at home out here in the Midwest, just looking at the weather radar it appears the games scheduled for today won't be played. If so, in order to qualify for the playoffs Rochester would need to make up the 2 games lost to weather against Skidmore. You need 20 games to qualify for the playoffs (and a minimum of 4th place). The league reverts to your earliest canceled games for make ups. What happens after that, I don't know. Given the distances and finals week, this might be a hard task. However, unless UR rights their ship, we won't need to worry about it! If we manage to play 2 today then the 4 games next week would give UR the minimum games needed.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: trider400t on April 24, 2011, 04:21:51 PM
Quote from: BBFan62 on April 23, 2011, 10:41:12 AM
Sitting at home out here in the Midwest, just looking at the weather radar it appears the games scheduled for today won't be played. If so, in order to qualify for the playoffs Rochester would need to make up the 2 games lost to weather against Skidmore. You need 20 games to qualify for the playoffs (and a minimum of 4th place). The league reverts to your earliest canceled games for make ups. What happens after that, I don't know. Given the distances and finals week, this might be a hard task. However, unless UR rights their ship, we won't need to worry about it! If we manage to play 2 today then the 4 games next week would give UR the minimum games needed.

Are you the Liberty League commish? Other than that you have no idea. Rochester chose not to make up their games (their softball team played today at RPI, but their baseball team didn't at Vassar).  They will not make up the missing games.  Those games are NOW GONE. And where is the 20-game rule? With RIT coming into the conference next year, it might be time for UR to stick with its UAA buddies.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BBFan62 on April 24, 2011, 05:12:57 PM
Quote from: trider400t on April 24, 2011, 04:21:51 PM
Quote from: BBFan62 on April 23, 2011, 10:41:12 AM
Sitting at home out here in the Midwest, just looking at the weather radar it appears the games scheduled for today won't be played. If so, in order to qualify for the playoffs Rochester would need to make up the 2 games lost to weather against Skidmore. You need 20 games to qualify for the playoffs (and a minimum of 4th place). The league reverts to your earliest canceled games for make ups. What happens after that, I don't know. Given the distances and finals week, this might be a hard task. However, unless UR rights their ship, we won't need to worry about it! If we manage to play 2 today then the 4 games next week would give UR the minimum games needed.

Are you the Liberty League commish? Other than that you have no idea. Rochester chose not to make up their games (their softball team played today at RPI, but their baseball team didn't at Vassar).  They will not make up the missing games.  Those games are NOW GONE. And where is the 20-game rule? With RIT coming into the conference next year, it might be time for UR to stick with its UAA buddies.

Trider400twhoever,
Let's see....if you were one of the 7 dwarfs you'd have to be Goofy or Dopey, 'cause you're certainly not Bashful.
With the LL schedule like it is, the weekends the other teams had open UR was playing. After this upcoming weekend when UR plays Union, UR is off the last weekend, but everyone else is playing. UR is then off for finals until May 10. If they are still in it then they will most likely need to find a way to make up the 2 games. I was told you need a minimum of 20 games to qualify for the LL tournament and the League then looks at your first cancellation. Hey, if that's not true, so be it. Sue me. Big deal. UR keeps their slim hopes alive and will battle to the end.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: baseballislife on April 24, 2011, 06:37:48 PM
Easy fellas.  This weather has people a little edgy.  Let's just let things sort themselves out. Just sayin', no need to try and get people's blood pressure up.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BBFan62 on April 24, 2011, 06:44:42 PM
Quote from: baseballislife on April 24, 2011, 06:37:48 PM
Easy fellas.  This weather has people a little edgy.  Let's just let things sort themselves out. Just sayin', no need to try and get people's blood pressure up.

baseballislife,
Aw shucks, just havin' some good ol' country fun! BP is still 110/70. Sure do wish we could have a triple header like IWU did yesterday!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: Pitchersmom on April 25, 2011, 09:55:04 PM
Well boys, my son just decided to play/ pitch for RPI over UR next year. Tough choice for him....2 top notch programs.  Of course we hadn't discovered your blog prior to decision time!  Seems a bit stacked in favor of the Yellowjackets.  Guess someone will have to show RPI some love around here. Go Engineers!!!!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: airball55 on April 25, 2011, 10:50:19 PM
RPI has been a regional power since the mid 90's.  They have been down a bit the past couple years, but, still is always mentioned with the top two or three in the league.  Watch out for the short porch in rightfield
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BBFan62 on April 26, 2011, 11:39:59 AM
More cancellations due to weather :(  I'm sure tomorrow's game will be as well. Let's hope we get all 4 conference games in this weekend. When is the last time so many games have been canceled?
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: LLbaseballfan on April 26, 2011, 02:46:40 PM
I'm going to go out on a limb and pick the Saints to win the league this year.  They arguably have the best rotation in the league and their offense seems to be coming together at the right time. 
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: airball55 on April 26, 2011, 03:26:37 PM
Gutsy pick.  Not out of the question though.  The trick for them may be just getting in with their last 8 against Skidmore (away) and Clarkson (home and home).  I really have no idea who to pick.  Skidmore, Clarkson and RPI are just so even to me.  I know Skidmore got three of four at Clarkson but that still does not convince me that they are better.  The league is certainly up for grabs.  As for this weekend:

Rochester @ Union:  Split
Slu @ Skidmore: Skidmore 3 of 4
RPI @ Clarkson: Split

It these predictions hold at all it sets of for the tourny to be at RPI this year.  Not usually a surprise, as this has been fairly regular over the past decade. 
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: baseballislife on April 26, 2011, 07:33:42 PM
Some thoughts:

Not giving up on my Jackets just yet (although most seem to have thrown a few shovel fulls of dirt on 'em, haha).  I think they will take at least 3 this weekend.  I would like to say four, but UR has lacked the consistency needed for me to go on that limb. 

I think SLU will be tough over their next few seasons,but might be a year away.  Skidmore's wins over Clarkson were huge and they seemed to catch them at the right time.  Playing at home this weekend, I'm in agreement with airball - 3-1 Skidmore.

Having seen both RPI and Clarkson, I think that RPI may be deeper, but Coleman and Kinney may be the best 1-2 punch in the league.  I'm going 2-2 here as well.

If those predictions hold, the standings with one week left will be:

RPI           12-6
Clarkson   12-8
Skidmore  11-7
UR             9-9
SLU           9-10
Vassar       6-11
Union         6-14

UR has the bye in the final week.  SLU has to play Clarkson.  I have no idea what all the tie-breakers will be with all the rain-outs this year.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BBFan62 on April 26, 2011, 09:44:34 PM
Quote from: baseballislife on April 26, 2011, 07:33:42 PM
Some thoughts:

Not giving up on my Jackets just yet (although most seem to have thrown a few shovel fulls of dirt on 'em, haha).  I think they will take at least 3 this weekend.  I would like to say four, but UR has lacked the consistency needed for me to go on that limb. 

I think SLU will be tough over their next few seasons,but might be a year away.  Skidmore's wins over Clarkson were huge and they seemed to catch them at the right time.  Playing at home this weekend, I'm in agreement with airball - 3-1 Skidmore.

Having seen both RPI and Clarkson, I think that RPI may be deeper, but Coleman and Kinney may be the best 1-2 punch in the league.  I'm going 2-2 here as well.

If those predictions hold, the standings with one week left will be:

RPI           12-6
Clarkson   12-8
Skidmore  11-7
UR             9-9
SLU           9-10
Vassar       6-11
Union         6-14

UR has the bye in the final week.  SLU has to play Clarkson.  I have no idea what all the tie-breakers will be with all the rain-outs this year.

BaseBallislife,
I agree - too early to bury the Jackets. IF all the scenarios play out, they could still make the playoffs even if they split! This race is so tight, there is a scenario where even Skidmore could still be eliminated. So, let's just hope everyone gets all their games in.
BTW - the LL board does not have the Rochester/Union DH scheduled for 5/1, they only list the 4/30 DH.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: baseballislife on April 30, 2011, 08:33:59 PM
Things really tightened up in the LL today with RPI looking like the host for the tourney at this point.  Teams 2-5 all within 1 game of each other and lots of close games played on Saturday.  Big day tomorrow.  A stellar weather forecast (finally).....at least in the capital district, is a welcome change.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: Pitchersmom on May 02, 2011, 06:31:42 PM
Can someone explain the LL tournament format & schedule? Thanks
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: John McGraw on May 02, 2011, 08:55:01 PM
Quote from: Pitchersmom on May 02, 2011, 06:31:42 PM
Can someone explain the LL tournament format & schedule? Thanks

The top four teams make the tournament with the team that finishes in first getting to host the whole shebang. It's a typical double-elimination format with 1-4, 2-3 the first day.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: DefenseWins on May 03, 2011, 07:14:48 AM
I think the St Lawerence v Clarkson series and the Union v Vassar Series have playoff implications. Correct me if I am wrong. If St. L is to drop 3/4 to Clarkson and either Union or Vassar Sweeps they would get in???? I think Vassar would be tied with them in the win column. Tie breakers? Win % then.......?
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: baseballislife on May 03, 2011, 10:56:30 AM
Clarkson taking 3 of 4 could actually put UR in as I have it on good authority that winning % is the decider this year.  UR is currently only a half game behind SLU.

If either Union or Vassar sweeps AND Clarkson takes at least 3 from SLU, then the Union/Vassar team would leap into the 4 spot, passing both UR and SLU.  Vassar or Union must sweep....3 will not be enough.

Every team in the league is still alive.  There will be a lot of scoreboard watching this weekend!  Lots of parity in the LL this year.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: dougan1257 on May 03, 2011, 11:17:47 AM
Did UR blow their chance by not playing 20 league games?
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: baseballislife on May 03, 2011, 03:32:59 PM
No.  Winning % is the standard this year due to the ridiculous weather.  I'm pretty sure they would have loved to play the Skidmore series at home as scheduled.  As it was, they had to travel to Albany for 2 of them (split) and lost the other 2 off the schedule for good.

They tried to play the RPI games 3 & 4 (split the first 2), even went into the next weekday to try and get them in.  The snow and rain prevented them from accomplishing even that.

The Vassar series was washed out in Vassar on day 2.

Not sure what else they could have done.  Let's hope this season's weather is the exception and not the rule!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on May 04, 2011, 11:51:52 AM
The spring weather in New York is always a factor for getting games in, especially the Liberty League games.  Besides the weather, the Yellowjackets have had some injuries this year that really affected the team line-up and chemistry.  Not to mention poor hitting, some noted fielding, and a increase in team ERA.  Again, some of this is due in part to injury.

I'm not saying that the injured players would have made a difference, but it certainly would have helped.  The rookies learned the hard way by being cast into starting roles that by no way matched their high school experiences.  Even if they were a "big fish in a small pond."

These kids hit 64 doubles and 7 triples according to league stats.  Pretty good.  Unfortunately they left 266 runners on base.  The most in the league.  And when you get beat in a 10-1 loss to Vassar and a 5-0 shutout to St. Lawrence, well, having those games lost to weather and then lossing a few games by 1 one run really hurts your chances for the tournament, especially when your conference schedule is finished and other teams control you destiny.

I think that next year will be better once everyone is healthy.  However, the players have to realize that just playing games and not putting forth extra effort on their own to get better doesn't guarantee them success.  The talent level in college is much higher than high school and you can't rest on your laurels.

JMHO
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: airball55 on May 04, 2011, 04:58:29 PM
Yes, all teams have injuries.  It is time for the Jackets to put up though.  Year after year on here has been full of excuses.  They certainly have talent, but as springs get warmer the Jackets have tended to fade.  This is not out of disrespect, JMHO.

Looks like the Engineers host the tourny again.  I will be picking against them though.  Not sure who yet.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: DefenseWins on May 04, 2011, 11:00:25 PM
Plourde get Coach of the year this year? Between them and UR they lost the most talent by far and still have made the playoffs yet again and have had a really good season. I think it has to be either Plourde or Steffan.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: airball55 on May 05, 2011, 01:11:38 PM
You could make a case for both.  RPI always has talent, I don't think there resurgence is much a surprise more than last year being a major disappointment.  For that reason, if I had to pick it would be Plourde at Skidmore, unless they get beat up this weekend against RPI.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: Pitchersmom on May 05, 2011, 07:42:47 PM
In re to Coach accolades- You have to take into account that RPI only has 2 seniors, that counts for something.  This weekend will be the decider, will be fun to follow.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BaseB13 on May 06, 2011, 11:21:01 AM
Never really saw the HC at RPI do anything.  Saw the PC get tossed quite a few times.  Definitely seemed like a team where the inmates ran the asylum.  Talented inmates none the less.  RPI seems to be a program that was ahead of the times and built up a strong program while other teams in the conference didn't treat baseball the same way.  Ithaca seems to be this way too.  Now most programs have a full time head coach that's aggressively recruiting and the playing field seems to be a bit more level.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: Pitchersmom on May 06, 2011, 05:30:35 PM
Too early for me to make a judgement call on the Coach Steffan as I haven't seen a game yet. However, seems like a stretch to think he isn't hands on running a program that's doing well this year, has done well historically and  has appeared in the world series twice. I agree that there is parity .....and thats good for the league. Next year my S will be an inmate and I'll have a better sense of the program.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: reddragon00 on May 07, 2011, 08:43:11 AM
Good stuff in the LL room.....Looks like it is coming down to the wire and last weekend.  Hats off to Skidmore.  Lost a lot from last year and they bounced back as well as RPI.  No question LL is down this year.  Sorry to say that posters but it is true.  Some good arms but not much else!  I would like to see Clarkson get hot again but they have been struggling lately.  UR 's season wasn't that good but when you play a lot of freshmen...that happens.  Airball.....I don't think that UR posters make excuses for the way the team plays just that with a few of the records they have had in years past, they should have gotten into the Dance at least once.  BoomerIL, I love the honesty from the UR side.  I am sure they will be back to par in years to come...hell they almost beat Cst!!  Hope you enjoy the games!!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: airball55 on May 07, 2011, 10:05:04 AM
Dragon, just good healthy fun on here.  The Jacket followers do take things a bit more, well, serious on here and if you go back in the forum, there aren't many times where their losses may be simply because the other team may be better.  I also disagree with you stating they should have got to the dance, there is no post season success history to base a selection on.  I thought (maybe still??) that they may play backwards this season and sneak in the tourny and make a run.  They need some help but still have some life.  The whole region took some graduation hits, I think that is why the parity is there.  I still think Cortland and St. John Fisher stand out a bit.  After that, throw them in a hit.  I do agree that Clarkson is still dangerous with the offense they have at the top of the lineup.  Would not be surprised to see them come out of that tournament.  Good luck to all
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: airball55 on May 08, 2011, 02:27:05 PM
Well Jackets fans, U are certainly Golden Knights fans today.  Game one 9-6 Clarkson.  If Clarkson sweeps the Saints, then Rochester gets in it appears.  Clarkson has a ton of injuries on their staff and getting that fourth game has been a battle for them.  Number two starter Giovannone was done a couple of weeks ago and they are hoping for someone to take that game by the horns.  Clarkson certainly has does everyone else is using the trainer a lot these days.  Game two, I am sure, is being followed down there in Jacketland.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BBFan62 on May 08, 2011, 05:52:36 PM
Congratulations to St. Lawrence; they did what they had to do and grab the last spot. Yep, will be a long winter in Yellow Jacket land. Good luck to all. As a life long Cubs fan I am used to saying, "Wait'll next year!"

Injuries and some poor defense along with too many free passes given up did us in this year. On the plus side, I think the experience the Freshmen received will payoff. Bring on summer ball!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: airball55 on May 08, 2011, 09:26:52 PM
I think the Liberty League is sending it's four best teams forward.  With that said here are the matchups:

1 RPI vs. 4 St. Lawrence
2 Skidmore vs. 3 Clarkson

Probably Ciesko against Cook RPI/SLU game.  Two good pitchers, I could certainly see the Saints sneaking this one out.  But, I will go with RPI, in a close 4-3 game here.

Goerold vs. Barbuto or Laracuente in Skidmore/CU game.  Laracuente got torched yesterday by RPI.  Another close one here, I got the Knights by a 5-3 score.  The major factor here would be if the wind is blowing at RPI which makes the right field wall basically a lob wedge shot, then the scores could certainly go up.  Clarkson has mixed and matched the last month basically with all the injuries and if they are healthy is dangerous.  I could see any of these teams, but, it will be difficult as usual to come out of the losers bracket.  RPI used to have the pitching depth to do this, but not the same as the early 2000's.  Make your picks boys, I have the Knights winning it with Skidmore as my backup pick.  No Rochester picks please.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: djm222ball on May 08, 2011, 10:09:37 PM
Quote from: airball55 on May 08, 2011, 09:26:52 PM
I think the Liberty League is sending it's four best teams forward.  With that said here are the matchups:

1 RPI vs. 4 St. Lawrence
2 Skidmore vs. 3 Clarkson

Probably Ciesko against Cook RPI/SLU game.  Two good pitchers, I could certainly see the Saints sneaking this one out.  But, I will go with RPI, in a close 4-3 game here.

Goerold vs. Barbuto or Laracuente in Skidmore/CU game.  Laracuente got torched yesterday by RPI.  Another close one here, I got the Knights by a 5-3 score.  The major factor here would be if the wind is blowing at RPI which makes the right field wall basically a lob wedge shot, then the scores could certainly go up.  Clarkson has mixed and matched the last month basically with all the injuries and if they are healthy is dangerous.  I could see any of these teams, but, it will be difficult as usual to come out of the losers bracket.  RPI used to have the pitching depth to do this, but not the same as the early 2000's.  Make your picks boys, I have the Knights winning it with Skidmore as my backup pick.  No Rochester picks please.

I like Skidmores pitching over all the other teams in the league at this point. I think they play solid defense and have 3 front starters that are very solid! RPI would be my nxt pick, they simply swing it 1 thru 9 and the host site is a big plus for them!
This will be close, but I take pitching and defense, Skidmore
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: DefenseWins on May 08, 2011, 10:19:32 PM
Quote from: djm222ball on May 08, 2011, 10:09:37 PM
Quote from: airball55 on May 08, 2011, 09:26:52 PM
I think the Liberty League is sending it's four best teams forward.  With that said here are the matchups:

1 RPI vs. 4 St. Lawrence
2 Skidmore vs. 3 Clarkson

Probably Ciesko against Cook RPI/SLU game.  Two good pitchers, I could certainly see the Saints sneaking this one out.  But, I will go with RPI, in a close 4-3 game here.

Goerold vs. Barbuto or Laracuente in Skidmore/CU game.  Laracuente got torched yesterday by RPI.  Another close one here, I got the Knights by a 5-3 score.  The major factor here would be if the wind is blowing at RPI which makes the right field wall basically a lob wedge shot, then the scores could certainly go up.  Clarkson has mixed and matched the last month basically with all the injuries and if they are healthy is dangerous.  I could see any of these teams, but, it will be difficult as usual to come out of the losers bracket.  RPI used to have the pitching depth to do this, but not the same as the early 2000's.  Make your picks boys, I have the Knights winning it with Skidmore as my backup pick.  No Rochester picks please.

I like Skidmores pitching over all the other teams in the league at this point. I think they play solid defense and have 3 front starters that are very solid! RPI would be my nxt pick, they simply swing it 1 thru 9 and the host site is a big plus for them!
This will be close, but I take pitching and defense, Skidmore



I got RPI, Duval Ciesko and the kid who starts game #4 for them I think are their 3 best. Duval and Ciesko are tough and will keep teams low in the run column. I think with the home field advantage, the amount of lefties that Steffan Stacks up 1-9 at that park, and the hurricane winds that usually blow out to right, RPI will win. I think they will put up runs against any arm they see. I see them beating Cook game 1 8-3, I like Skidmore over Clarkson game 2 4-3, I like St Lawerence to beat Clarkson in some what of an upset in the losers bracket (Conde v Chudy probably??) Conde kid has been good this year and I think he holds down Clarkson bats. Then I like RPI over Skidmore (Duval v either Laracuente or Brucato) 6-3, Skidmore takes care of St Lawerence. RPI wins in Championship.

Heres a question. Skidmore get consideration for a Pool B if they get to championship and lose?
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 08, 2011, 10:30:02 PM
Quote from: DefenseWins on May 08, 2011, 10:19:32 PM
Quote from: djm222ball on May 08, 2011, 10:09:37 PM
Quote from: airball55 on May 08, 2011, 09:26:52 PM
I think the Liberty League is sending it's four best teams forward.  With that said here are the matchups:

1 RPI vs. 4 St. Lawrence
2 Skidmore vs. 3 Clarkson

Probably Ciesko against Cook RPI/SLU game.  Two good pitchers, I could certainly see the Saints sneaking this one out.  But, I will go with RPI, in a close 4-3 game here.

Goerold vs. Barbuto or Laracuente in Skidmore/CU game.  Laracuente got torched yesterday by RPI.  Another close one here, I got the Knights by a 5-3 score.  The major factor here would be if the wind is blowing at RPI which makes the right field wall basically a lob wedge shot, then the scores could certainly go up.  Clarkson has mixed and matched the last month basically with all the injuries and if they are healthy is dangerous.  I could see any of these teams, but, it will be difficult as usual to come out of the losers bracket.  RPI used to have the pitching depth to do this, but not the same as the early 2000's.  Make your picks boys, I have the Knights winning it with Skidmore as my backup pick.  No Rochester picks please.

I like Skidmores pitching over all the other teams in the league at this point. I think they play solid defense and have 3 front starters that are very solid! RPI would be my nxt pick, they simply swing it 1 thru 9 and the host site is a big plus for them!
This will be close, but I take pitching and defense, Skidmore



I got RPI, Duval Ciesko and the kid who starts game #4 for them I think are their 3 best. Duval and Ciesko are tough and will keep teams low in the run column. I think with the home field advantage, the amount of lefties that Steffan Stacks up 1-9 at that park, and the hurricane winds that usually blow out to right, RPI will win. I think they will put up runs against any arm they see. I see them beating Cook game 1 8-3, I like Skidmore over Clarkson game 2 4-3, I like St Lawerence to beat Clarkson in some what of an upset in the losers bracket (Conde v Chudy probably??) Conde kid has been good this year and I think he holds down Clarkson bats. Then I like RPI over Skidmore (Duval v either Laracuente or Brucato) 6-3, Skidmore takes care of St Lawerence. RPI wins in Championship.

Heres a question. Skidmore get consideration for a Pool B if they get to championship and lose?

Please review the criteria listed below in reference to Skidmore and Pool C.   :)


Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 29, 2011, 09:42:19 PM
Selection Criteria.

Primary Criteria
The primary criteria emphasize regional competition (all contests leading up to NCAA championships); all criteria listed
will be evaluated (not listed in priority order).
• Win-loss percentage against regional opponents.
• Strength-of-schedule (only contests versus regional competition).
- Opponents' Average Winning Percentage (OWP).
- Opponents' Opponents' Average Winning Percentage (OOWP).
• See Appendix B for explanation of OWP and OOWP calculations.
• In-region head-to-head competition.
• In-region results versus common regional opponents.
• In-region results versus regionally ranked teams.
• Ranked opponents are defined as those teams ranked at any time of the rankings/selection process.
• Conference postseason contests are included.
• Contests versus provisional and reclassifying members in their third and fourth years shall count in the primary criteria.
Provisional and reclassifying members shall remain ineligible for rankings and selection.

Weighted Scale. For a minimum of two championship seasons (2009-10 and 2010-11), a weighted scale will apply. Once
the OWP and OOWP are calculated, they are to be combined on a weighted scale (e.g., 2/3 weight for OWP and 1/3
weight for OOWP) and this combined number becomes the strength of schedule.

Secondary Criteria
If the evaluation of the primary criteria does not result in a decision, the secondary criteria will be reviewed. All the criteria
listed will be evaluated (not listed in priority order). The secondary criteria introduce results against out-of-region Division
III and all other opponents including those contests versus opponents from other classifications (i.e., provisionals, NAIA,
NCAA Divisions I and II).
• Out-of-region head-to-head competition.
• Overall Division III win-loss percentage.
• Results versus common non Division III opponents.
• Results versus all Division III ranked teams.
• Overall win-loss percentage.
• Results versus all common opponents.
• Overall DIII Strength of Schedule.


N.B.  Once ranked, always "ranked".
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: ocho on May 09, 2011, 01:22:39 PM
Does anyone know the schedule for the LL Championships Friday?
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: scscoach on May 09, 2011, 02:11:33 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 08, 2011, 10:30:02 PM
Quote from: DefenseWins on May 08, 2011, 10:19:32 PM
Quote from: djm222ball on May 08, 2011, 10:09:37 PM
Quote from: airball55 on May 08, 2011, 09:26:52 PM
I think the Liberty League is sending it's four best teams forward.  With that said here are the matchups:

1 RPI vs. 4 St. Lawrence
2 Skidmore vs. 3 Clarkson

Probably Ciesko against Cook RPI/SLU game.  Two good pitchers, I could certainly see the Saints sneaking this one out.  But, I will go with RPI, in a close 4-3 game here.

Goerold vs. Barbuto or Laracuente in Skidmore/CU game.  Laracuente got torched yesterday by RPI.  Another close one here, I got the Knights by a 5-3 score.  The major factor here would be if the wind is blowing at RPI which makes the right field wall basically a lob wedge shot, then the scores could certainly go up.  Clarkson has mixed and matched the last month basically with all the injuries and if they are healthy is dangerous.  I could see any of these teams, but, it will be difficult as usual to come out of the losers bracket.  RPI used to have the pitching depth to do this, but not the same as the early 2000's.  Make your picks boys, I have the Knights winning it with Skidmore as my backup pick.  No Rochester picks please.

I like Skidmores pitching over all the other teams in the league at this point. I think they play solid defense and have 3 front starters that are very solid! RPI would be my nxt pick, they simply swing it 1 thru 9 and the host site is a big plus for them!
This will be close, but I take pitching and defense, Skidmore



I got RPI, Duval Ciesko and the kid who starts game #4 for them I think are their 3 best. Duval and Ciesko are tough and will keep teams low in the run column. I think with the home field advantage, the amount of lefties that Steffan Stacks up 1-9 at that park, and the hurricane winds that usually blow out to right, RPI will win. I think they will put up runs against any arm they see. I see them beating Cook game 1 8-3, I like Skidmore over Clarkson game 2 4-3, I like St Lawerence to beat Clarkson in some what of an upset in the losers bracket (Conde v Chudy probably??) Conde kid has been good this year and I think he holds down Clarkson bats. Then I like RPI over Skidmore (Duval v either Laracuente or Brucato) 6-3, Skidmore takes care of St Lawerence. RPI wins in Championship.

Heres a question. Skidmore get consideration for a Pool B if they get to championship and lose?

Please review the criteria listed below in reference to Skidmore and Pool C.   :)


Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 29, 2011, 09:42:19 PM
Selection Criteria.

Primary Criteria
The primary criteria emphasize regional competition (all contests leading up to NCAA championships); all criteria listed
will be evaluated (not listed in priority order).
• Win-loss percentage against regional opponents.
• Strength-of-schedule (only contests versus regional competition).
- Opponents' Average Winning Percentage (OWP).
- Opponents' Opponents' Average Winning Percentage (OOWP).
• See Appendix B for explanation of OWP and OOWP calculations.
• In-region head-to-head competition.
• In-region results versus common regional opponents.
• In-region results versus regionally ranked teams.
• Ranked opponents are defined as those teams ranked at any time of the rankings/selection process.
• Conference postseason contests are included.
• Contests versus provisional and reclassifying members in their third and fourth years shall count in the primary criteria.
Provisional and reclassifying members shall remain ineligible for rankings and selection.

Weighted Scale. For a minimum of two championship seasons (2009-10 and 2010-11), a weighted scale will apply. Once
the OWP and OOWP are calculated, they are to be combined on a weighted scale (e.g., 2/3 weight for OWP and 1/3
weight for OOWP) and this combined number becomes the strength of schedule.

Secondary Criteria
If the evaluation of the primary criteria does not result in a decision, the secondary criteria will be reviewed. All the criteria
listed will be evaluated (not listed in priority order). The secondary criteria introduce results against out-of-region Division
III and all other opponents including those contests versus opponents from other classifications (i.e., provisionals, NAIA,
NCAA Divisions I and II).
• Out-of-region head-to-head competition.
• Overall Division III win-loss percentage.
• Results versus common non Division III opponents.
• Results versus all Division III ranked teams.
• Overall win-loss percentage.
• Results versus all common opponents.
• Overall DIII Strength of Schedule.


N.B.  Once ranked, always "ranked".
Is there a site where we can view teams OWP and OOWP?
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: scscoach on May 09, 2011, 02:34:10 PM
I'm taking Skidmore and Brucato over Clarkson and Goerold in Game 1. In Game 2 I'm going with RPI and Cieszko over St. Lawrence and Cook. My starting pitcher predictions are based on how well the pitchers did against opponents during regular season.

I would not be surprised to see Laracuente start for Skidmore but I think they will want to keep Rudmans bat in lineup while saving him for a possible RPI matchup later in tourney. I would only be mildly surprised to see Ludwig go in Game 1 for RPI. Ludwig looked very sharp against Skidmore after 1st inning last weekend in first game of the series.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: ocho on May 09, 2011, 02:48:29 PM
Does anyone what TIME the games are on Friday?????
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: ocho on May 09, 2011, 02:49:13 PM
That is: Does anyone KNOW what time the games are on Friday?
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: djm222ball on May 09, 2011, 08:54:36 PM
Quote from: ocho on May 09, 2011, 02:49:13 PM
That is: Does anyone KNOW what time the games are on Friday?
noon is game 1 1st pitch
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: Pitchersmom on May 09, 2011, 10:34:57 PM
Full document : http://rpi.scoutware.net/base/cgi/viewMail.pl?i=M0912085401_40450

LIBERTY LEAGUE BASEBALL CHAMPIONSHIP
RENSSELAER POLYTECHNIC INSTITUTE

Dates:     May 13-15, 2011

Host:       Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute

Venue:    Robison Field, 17th and Eagle Street, Troy, NY 12180

Teams:   #1 RPI
      #2 Skidmore
      #3 Clarkson
      #4 St. Lawrence

Tournament Pairings:
 
Friday         Pairings               Time
Game 1      #2 Skidmore v. #3 Clarkson       12:00pm
Game 2      #1 RPI v. #4 St. Lawrence         3:30pm
         

Saturday
Game 3      Loser Game 1 v. Loser Game 2      9:30am
Game 4      Winner Game 1 v. Winner Game 2      1:00pm   
Game 5      Loser Game 4 v. Winner Game 3      4:30pm

Sunday
Game 6      Winner Game 4 v. Winner Game 5      11:00am
Game 7      If needed, same teams as Game 6      TBD
Game will start 30 minutes after conclusion of game 6













Tournament Schedule

Friday, May 13th:
Game 1    12:00pm
#2 Skidmore v. #3 Clarkson
Batting Practice – Batting Cage behind 1st base dugout
Home Team Batting Practice 10:20-10:50
Visitors Batting Practice 10:50-11:20
Home Infield 11:30-11:40
Visitor's Infield 11:40-11:50
Field Preparation 11:50-12
Home Team: Skidmore-white uniforms-3rd base dugout

Game 2   3:30pm
#1 RPI v. #4 St. Lawrence
Batting Practice – Batting Cage behind 1st base dugout
Home Team batting Practice 1:50-2:20
Visitors Batting Practice 2:20-2:50
Home Infield 3:00-3:10
Visitor's Infield 3:10-3:20
Field Preparation 3:20-3:30
Home Team: RPI-white uniforms-3rd base dugout

** Should any game run long, the next contest will start 30 minutes after the field and dugouts have been cleared.


Saturday, May 14th

Game 3   9:30am
Loser Game 1 v. Loser Game 2
Batting Practice – Batting Cage behind 1st base dugout
Home Team  Batting Practice: 7:50-8:20
Visitors Batting Practice: 8:20-8:50
Home Infield – 9:00-9:10
Visitor's Infield – 9:10-9:20
Field Preparation – 9:20






Game 4   1:00pm
Winner Game 1 v. Winner Game 2
Batting Practice – Batting Cage behind 1st base dugout
Home Team Batting Practice 11:20-11:50
Visitors Batting Practice 11:50-12:20
Home Infield 12:30-12:40
Visitor's Infield 12:40-12:50
Field Preparation 12:50


Game 5   4:30pm
Loser of Game 4 v. Winner of Game 3
Batting Practice – Batting Cage behind 1st base dugout
Home Team Batting Practice 2:50-3:20
Visitors Batting Practice 3:20-3:50
Home Infield 4:00-4:10
Visitor's Infield 4:10-4:20
Field Preparation 4:20
** Should any game run long, the next contest will start 30 minutes after the field and dugouts have been cleared.



Sunday, May 15th
Game 6   11:00am
Winner of Game 4 v. Winner of Game 5
Batting Practice – Batting Cage behind 1st base dugout
Home Team Batting Practice 9:20-9:50
Visitors Batting Practice 9:50-10:20
Home Infield 10:30-10:40
Visitor's Infield 10:40-10:50
Field Preparation 10:50

Game 7   Will begin 30 minutes after Game 6
"If Game" ---Same teams as above
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: baseballislife on May 10, 2011, 07:00:37 AM
Holy crap.  I finally found someone on these boards that has more time on their hands than me!

Relax, pitcher's mom......I'm just kidding. ;D

Good luck to this year's play-off teams.  UR will finish their season today with a DH against next year's LL addition - RIT. They will try re-tool and do what RPI did this year - come back with a strong season after missing the play-offs last year.

Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: Pitchersmom on May 10, 2011, 05:08:22 PM
Ha ha ! Either  I'm just bad at editing using the cut and paste functions or I need t get a life, probably both!!! Good luck to all , but going with rpi on  good momentum. Saw that Catholic made the tournament for the first time since 1977, they picked up johns Hopkins assist t coach, interesting.


Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BaseB13 on May 10, 2011, 05:33:58 PM
Saw that as well.  Nice for them to win the conference AND get the automatic bid this year.  Third Landmark Championship in four years but a bid was not available during the first two years since the conference was new at the time.

Looks like the weather should be decent this weekend in Troy.  Always a concern with the tournament being the last weekend of the regular season.  Such is baseball life in New York.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: baseballguy101 on May 11, 2011, 06:08:35 PM
Who do you all think are the best defensive outfielders in the league???
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: djm222ball on May 14, 2011, 11:38:08 AM
Nikolski  CF  RPI
Heck   RF  Union
Lavigne  LF  RPI
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: Pitchersmom on May 14, 2011, 05:35:27 PM
Wow, Clarkson bats roughed up the Engineers pretty good. What happens to the schedule with the rain postponement?..... (a gift for RPI.)
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: scscoach on May 14, 2011, 06:40:23 PM
Quote from: Pitchersmom on May 14, 2011, 05:35:27 PM
Wow, Clarkson bats roughed up the Engineers pretty good. What happens to the schedule with the rain postponement?..... (a gift for RPI.)
If no more games are played in the tourney, Clarkson is champ.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BBFan62 on May 15, 2011, 09:37:02 AM
Glad to see the games have continued. RPI leads St. Lawrence 2-0 early in the game. Duval is starting again for RPI. Good luck to all. It'd be a shame to have Ma Nature decide the winner; she's done enough damage to the schedule this year!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: John McGraw on May 15, 2011, 11:11:58 AM
Quote from: BBFan62 on May 15, 2011, 09:37:02 AM
Glad to see the games have continued. RPI leads St. Lawrence 2-0 early in the game. Duval is starting again for RPI. Good luck to all. It'd be a shame to have Ma Nature decide the winner; she's done enough damage to the schedule this year!

It's happened enough in the past where tournaments have been washed out, stopped after three games, continued only to be stopped by darkness and revert back, etc etc.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: AlleyCat on May 15, 2011, 11:43:18 AM
From RPI Web site

Tourney cancelled. Clarkson declared champs. 3rd time in 5 years that tourney has not been completed.

Good luck to Clarkson
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: scscoach on May 15, 2011, 12:27:59 PM
Congrats to Clarkson from a Skidmore fan. Good luck in the regionals as our conference representative.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: ocho on May 15, 2011, 01:05:31 PM
YAY. Was hoping for either Skidmore or Clarkson to win it. RPI and St Lawrence players AND fans/parents are a bunch of a-holes.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: airball55 on May 15, 2011, 02:17:45 PM
The Golden Knights move on.  Pretty good showing considering they limped a bit down the stretch, literally (lots of injuries).  But, they certainly, like Skidmore, have shown that the post season in a time when they have played better and I think they will represent the LL well in the regional.  I can't see RPI getting a sniff for an at-large.  Good luck Clarkson.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: Pitchersmom on May 15, 2011, 04:53:54 PM
Hope Clarkson goes far.... All good for LL! Hey Ocho.... I'm not an a-hole! :)
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BBFan62 on May 15, 2011, 11:18:50 PM
Just got back from Madison after watching our daughter graduate from UW-Madison. (Yay- down to 1 tuition!)  Tuned in to see that, in the end, weather prevailed. Congratulations to Clarkson; represent he LL well and get to Appleton!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: OshDude on May 15, 2011, 11:32:06 PM
Quote from: BBFan62 on May 15, 2011, 11:18:50 PM
Just got back from Madison after watching our daughter graduate from UW-Madison. (Yay- down to 1 tuition!)  Tuned in to see that, in the end, weather prevailed. Congratulations to Clarkson; represent he LL well and get to Appleton!
+1 for no other reason than you sending your daughter to Madison. Good call.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: lewdogg11 on May 16, 2011, 10:57:14 AM
Quote from: ocho on May 15, 2011, 01:05:31 PM
YAY. Was hoping for either Skidmore or Clarkson to win it. RPI and St Lawrence players AND fans/parents are a bunch of a-holes.

Now there's a real intelligent comment.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BBFan62 on May 30, 2011, 11:36:44 AM
Following the D3 WS has been fun................soon the boards will be silent. Is it March yet?
Good luck to all in summer ball. It will be fun tracking everyone to see how they're doing. Of course, it will take some time to find out where they're playing but, working from home I will have some extra time on my hands!
I was looking forward to following Rauh from Chapman, but he hurt his elbow(?) after 3.1 innings in the opening game for Chapman. Let's hope that, whatever it is, he recovers fast.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BBFan62 on September 30, 2011, 10:36:20 AM
Well, looks like nothing has changed. Ma Nature still refuses to cooperate. Looks like Rochester's fall games tomorrow have a good chance of being canceled. Rain, rain, rain. We need our baseball fix; it's going to be a long, tough winter before Florida next March.
Rochester looks to reshape after last year and has a lot of recruits this fall. There is sure to be some tough cuts. We might not have a chance to preview the incoming Freshmen  :-[
On the pitching side, we did lose one of our hard throwers as he decided not to play due to recurring arm issues. Pitching might be one of the areas of concern next year, as not too many of the newbies are hurlers.
We're flying in regardless whether or not UR plays because we'll at least get time with our son. But watching a couple of games would be nice!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: Pitchersmom on September 30, 2011, 11:04:33 AM
Rochester has a 2012 roster out. No freshmen listed yet.?

Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BBFan62 on September 30, 2011, 02:15:20 PM
Quote from: Pitchersmom on September 30, 2011, 11:04:33 AM
Rochester has a 2012 roster out. No freshmen listed yet.?

Pitchersmom,
The roster shown is basically from last year. There were a total of 41 guys this year out for fall ball between returning players, recruits, and walk-ons. I think coach intends to keep 26 guys. I just got off the phone with my son. He informed me the games are canceled and will not be played. This is going to make it a tough decision for some of the cuts. Worse yet, we did not get a chance to see the incoming guys and also get our veins filled with our baseball fix! So, it's a guess as to what the makeup of the 2012 team will be. What about you guys?
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: Pitchersmom on September 30, 2011, 06:49:17 PM
Steffen fielded a roster for the game against Army on sept 18th. We only lost 2 seniors but he sent along a handful of freshmen. The hitting looked solid, pitching had ups and downs.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: John McGraw on November 21, 2011, 09:50:05 PM
Bard to add baseball in the spring of 2013.

http://www.bardathletics.com/news/2011/11/16/BB_1116110234.aspx
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: Bishopleftiesdad on November 22, 2011, 09:26:40 AM
Interesting the first coach will be the same guy who ran the Club team:

Quote“I am super excited,” said Jim Chambers, the head coach. “Between my feelings about Bard and my love of baseball, I can't think of a more ideal situation to be in.”

Chambers, 26, was the founder of the club baseball team at Bard, as well as the manager and coach. A former Div. III baseball player himself, Chambers relishes the opportunity to start something new at Bard.

I wish Chambers and the Progams lots of success.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BBFan62 on November 24, 2011, 09:30:27 AM
Quote from: John McGraw on November 21, 2011, 09:50:05 PM
Bard to add baseball in the spring of 2013.

http://www.bardathletics.com/news/2011/11/16/BB_1116110234.aspx

I wonder if the LL will realign into two 4 team divisions, with the top two teams in each division making the playoffs. Will this cause them to go to a 28 game schedule?

Happy Thanksgiving to all. A day closer to Spring!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: djm222ball on November 24, 2011, 10:17:26 PM
Bard will make the LL 9 teams strong
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BBFan62 on November 25, 2011, 09:48:22 AM
Quote from: djm222ball on November 24, 2011, 10:17:26 PM
Bard will make the LL 9 teams strong

You're right; I forgot that RIT joins this year. Well, then perhaps 3 game series in lieu of 4. Otherwise each time will lose some in region games. As it is, UR dropped 4 games from the Florida series and will now start out of the gate at the UAA tournament. UR is the only team in the tournament that won't have previous games played prior to the UAA. When UR opens against Wash U, we're Wash U's 12th game. Usually the YellowJackets played 4 games prior to the UAA tournament. So we'll have to see what happens in 2013 when Bard joins.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BBFan62 on December 11, 2011, 12:53:18 PM
Quote from: BBFan62 on November 25, 2011, 09:48:22 AM
Quote from: djm222ball on November 24, 2011, 10:17:26 PM
Bard will make the LL 9 teams strong

You're right; I forgot that RIT joins this year. Well, then perhaps 3 game series in lieu of 4. Otherwise each time will lose some in region games. As it is, UR dropped 4 games from the Florida series and will now start out of the gate at the UAA tournament. UR is the only team in the tournament that won't have previous games played prior to the UAA. When UR opens against Wash U, we're Wash U's 12th game. Usually the YellowJackets played 4 games prior to the UAA tournament. So we'll have to see what happens in 2013 when Bard joins.

3 long months from today - opening day for UR!
Happy Holidays to all!
I'm sure the boards will start heating up sometime in February after final rosters are posted!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BBFan62 on January 07, 2012, 04:07:23 PM
Well, yesterday was 54 degrees in Chicago; do not wake Mother nature! My son and I played catch; a very rare treat indeed for a Chicago January! Only 63 days until opening day at the UAA!!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: spectator123 on January 12, 2012, 06:25:17 PM
Quote from: BBFan62 on January 07, 2012, 04:07:23 PM
Well, yesterday was 54 degrees in Chicago; do not wake Mother nature! My son and I played catch; a very rare treat indeed for a Chicago January! Only 63 days until opening day at the UAA!!

Just hope that the weather doesn't catch up to us this coming spring
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on January 12, 2012, 07:22:51 PM
Quote from: spectator123 on January 12, 2012, 06:25:17 PM
Quote from: BBFan62 on January 07, 2012, 04:07:23 PM
Well, yesterday was 54 degrees in Chicago; do not wake Mother nature! My son and I played catch; a very rare treat indeed for a Chicago January! Only 63 days until opening day at the UAA!!

Just hope that the weather doesn't catch up to us this coming spring

I don't know about you two!!!  Can't find anything else to do!!!!  Hahahahaha  LOL  8-)

Miss you guys!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BBFan62 on January 12, 2012, 08:46:23 PM
Quote from: BoomerIL on January 12, 2012, 07:22:51 PM
Quote from: spectator123 on January 12, 2012, 06:25:17 PM
Quote from: BBFan62 on January 07, 2012, 04:07:23 PM
Well, yesterday was 54 degrees in Chicago; do not wake Mother nature! My son and I played catch; a very rare treat indeed for a Chicago January! Only 63 days until opening day at the UAA!!

Just hope that the weather doesn't catch up to us this coming spring

I don't know about you two!!!  Can't find anything else to do!!!!  Hahahahaha  LOL  8-)

Miss you guys!!!!!!!!

Boomer!!!!!!!!
How ya doin'???
I didn't think baseball dads had anything else to do. But, I'll be joining you before I know it! Can't believe J's a Junior already. It was only a short 2 seasons ago that I wondered if he could make the team! We're in for a very interesting year............
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: spectator123 on January 14, 2012, 12:58:56 PM
Quote from: BoomerIL on January 12, 2012, 07:22:51 PM
Quote from: spectator123 on January 12, 2012, 06:25:17 PM
Quote from: BBFan62 on January 07, 2012, 04:07:23 PM
Well, yesterday was 54 degrees in Chicago; do not wake Mother nature! My son and I played catch; a very rare treat indeed for a Chicago January! Only 63 days until opening day at the UAA!!

Just hope that the weather doesn't catch up to us this coming spring

I don't know about you two!!!  Can't find anything else to do!!!!  Hahahahaha  LOL  8-)


Miss you guys!!!!!!!!
you must not have anything else to do either
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on January 17, 2012, 05:37:59 PM
Boy do I miss you two.

I went through some of Andy's articles that I printed out when he was playing, and I'm really depressed to think that those four years went by so quickly, plus another one tacked onto that. Big Ed always reminded me that you have to make every effort to be at your sons games. I tried my best and regret mssing some of the first Florida games Andy's senior year.

All I can hope for now is that someday Andy will get married and have a couple of boys that I can play ball with. In the mean time I'll be watching the Cubs and hope they will do better this season.

As usual, we'll keep in touch, and I'll always follow those Yellowjackets!!!!!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: strike3 on January 24, 2012, 03:30:41 PM
D3baseball Preseason All-American Team announced this afternoon.

2 players from LL earned well deserved recognition:
Dave Kinney, Clarkson. Art Levenson, RPI.

Full team here: http://www.d3baseball.com/awards/all-americans/d3baseball-preseason-allamericans-2012

Florida is around the corner!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BBFan62 on January 30, 2012, 08:07:56 PM
Quote from: strike3 on January 24, 2012, 03:30:41 PM
D3baseball Preseason All-American Team announced this afternoon.

2 players from LL earned well deserved recognition:
Dave Kinney, Clarkson. Art Levenson, RPI.

Full team here: http://www.d3baseball.com/awards/all-americans/d3baseball-preseason-allamericans-2012

Florida is around the corner!

On Groundhog day, if the groundhog finds his mitt, does it mean baseball is closer? March 11 still seems so far away! It was 52 in Chicago today :)
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: Joe Baseball on February 01, 2012, 11:36:12 AM
Quote from: BBFan62 on January 30, 2012, 08:07:56 PM
Quote from: strike3 on January 24, 2012, 03:30:41 PM
D3baseball Preseason All-American Team announced this afternoon.

2 players from LL earned well deserved recognition:
Dave Kinney, Clarkson. Art Levenson, RPI.

Full team here: http://www.d3baseball.com/awards/all-americans/d3baseball-preseason-allamericans-2012

Florida is around the corner!

On Groundhog day, if the groundhog finds his mitt, does it mean baseball is closer? March 11 still seems so far away! It was 52 in Chicago today :)
It's 80 today here in Orlando.  Hopefully, a preview of the conditions for the UAA tournament.  Can't wait to see UR down here!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BBFan62 on February 01, 2012, 08:48:39 PM
Quote from: Joe Baseball on February 01, 2012, 11:36:12 AM
Quote from: BBFan62 on January 30, 2012, 08:07:56 PM
Quote from: strike3 on January 24, 2012, 03:30:41 PM
D3baseball Preseason All-American Team announced this afternoon.

2 players from LL earned well deserved recognition:
Dave Kinney, Clarkson. Art Levenson, RPI.

Full team here: http://www.d3baseball.com/awards/all-americans/d3baseball-preseason-allamericans-2012

Florida is around the corner!

On Groundhog day, if the groundhog finds his mitt, does it mean baseball is closer? March 11 still seems so far away! It was 52 in Chicago today :)
It's 80 today here in Orlando.  Hopefully, a preview of the conditions for the UAA tournament.  Can't wait to see UR down here!

JB,
PLEASE - Bribe Mother Nature. The UAA is always a great time, except when it rains. Practice is underway and everyone is working hard.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: airball55 on February 04, 2012, 10:04:54 PM
Alright, I will be the first to take a shot at predicting the LL this year.

Regular Season
1. RPI
2. Clarkson
3. Rochester
4. St. Lawrence
5. Skidmore
6. RIT
7. Union
8. Vassar

Call me stubborn but I just think RPI should have enough pitching to win the regular season.  I will not pick them however to win the tournament, as usual.  There, I will go with Clarkson, to make it 3 out of 4.  The U of R boys should be happy with the higher pick, but, history is on their side in regular seasons.  Skidmore can certainly make a jump, no surprise if they get in.  I could see Union jump RIT as well, not really sure what to do with the Tigers.  Have fun!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: strike3 on February 07, 2012, 10:44:49 PM
1. RPI. . Good hitters and fielding. Still have pitcher Duvall. Key will be how the other starters surrounding him do.
2.  Clarkson - Lost a few impact players, Will miss Mcinerney. Still strong with Kinney & Coleman.
3. St. Lawrence -  Young team, well represented on LL first and second teams. 
4. UR - Will miss Just, but still have Caghan and pitcher Adam Sullivan
5. Skidmore - Big hole left by Laracuente and Rubenstein.
6. RIT - lost Hughes, their All star short stop, but still has strong leadoff in Justin Smith.
7. Union
8. Vassar

RPI to win Tourney too.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: strike3 on March 11, 2012, 10:32:18 AM

RPI v. Brockport on Saturday splits with RPI, 6-1  loss followed by 3-1 win.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: airball55 on March 17, 2012, 04:58:14 PM
Clarkson starts off decent with three of four.  Only loss comes with ace on hill, so the Knights have to be happy with start, gets real rough at end of trip with three difficult opponents (Worcester St., WNEC, Whitewater..yikes!).  I may have been off on RPI.  Just not the same program as 5-10 years ago.  St. Lawrence off to a good start at 5-1, but, outside of Otterbein, the schedule has been weak.  Rochester playing competitive but appears to be struggling at plate.  Skidmore as usual, not playing very good competition in Florida so it will be hard to read them.  Newcomer RIT had a rough trip.  I still like my top four picks, but, may move the Redhawks down a bit.  Northern teams may be the teams to beat.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BBFan62 on March 18, 2012, 07:32:25 AM
Quote from: airball55 on March 17, 2012, 04:58:14 PM
Clarkson starts off decent with three of four.  Only loss comes with ace on hill, so the Knights have to be happy with start, gets real rough at end of trip with three difficult opponents (Worcester St., WNEC, Whitewater..yikes!).  I may have been off on RPI.  Just not the same program as 5-10 years ago.  St. Lawrence off to a good start at 5-1, but, outside of Otterbein, the schedule has been weak.  Rochester playing competitive but appears to be struggling at plate.  Skidmore as usual, not playing very good competition in Florida so it will be hard to read them.  Newcomer RIT had a rough trip.  I still like my top four picks, but, may move the Redhawks down a bit.  Northern teams may be the teams to beat.

Let the fun begin! Rochester ended 3-5 on the Florida trip, including losing 1-0 to Wash U and 2-1 to Emory in the first two games. Not the outcome we wanted but considering they were the first 2 games and versus good competition that had a dozen games under their belts, we'll take it. Now let's hope Mother Nature continues her good mood.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: Pitchersmom on March 18, 2012, 09:56:08 AM
Yeah,  RPI struggled in Fl. Ace hasn't hit his stride, relief was a bit shaky and unearned runs hurt. 3-5 for the week. Bats were warming as the week went along, talent is there.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: airball55 on March 20, 2012, 07:08:20 PM
Clarkson moves to 6-1 with a DH sweep of Worcester St. today.  Tough road in though with WNEC and Wis-Whitewater.  All of our teams may not need to fly south next year with this unseasonable weather.  Probably snow this weekend now after that joke!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BBFan62 on March 20, 2012, 09:41:08 PM
Quote from: airball55 on March 20, 2012, 07:08:20 PM
Clarkson moves to 6-1 with a DH sweep of Worcester St. today.  Tough road in though with WNEC and Wis-Whitewater.  All of our teams may not need to fly south next year with this unseasonable weather.  Probably snow this weekend now after that joke!

Well, UR opens at Skidmore. According to the weather forecast, okay for Saturday, rain on Sunday. Then at Rochester, sun on Monday & Tuesday......rain on Wednesday, a scheduled BB day! We had great weather for the Florida trip this year and saw exciting baseball to boot. Let's hope it stays nice, as rainouts/snowouts cost us big time last year!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BBFan62 on March 21, 2012, 09:08:55 PM
Quote from: BBFan62 on March 20, 2012, 09:41:08 PM
Quote from: airball55 on March 20, 2012, 07:08:20 PM
Clarkson moves to 6-1 with a DH sweep of Worcester St. today.  Tough road in though with WNEC and Wis-Whitewater.  All of our teams may not need to fly south next year with this unseasonable weather.  Probably snow this weekend now after that joke!

Well, UR opens at Skidmore. According to the weather forecast, okay for Saturday, rain on Sunday. Then at Rochester, sun on Monday & Tuesday......rain on Wednesday, a scheduled BB day! We had great weather for the Florida trip this year and saw exciting baseball to boot. Let's hope it stays nice, as rainouts/snowouts cost us big time last year!

Due to a potential rain-out, the UR-Skidmore games for Sunday have been moved to 1:30 & 3:30 Friday afternoon. Strap on the seat belts, get ready for fun!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BoomerIL on March 26, 2012, 11:07:23 PM
Tough way to start the season.  Its a shame, and now it appears to have gotten worse for UR, that they didn't get to play a couple games before the UAA's like they have in the past. Adding RIT to the Liberty League and eventually Bard, may help them in the future (may have two divisions in the Liberty League). Time will tell.

The losses against Skidmore must have been tough, since in the recent past UR has had it the other way. Personally, I like the way UR had their lineups for the last two games against Skidmore. Although I would move Caghan to the three hole and then have either Lesuer, Davis, or Sander lead-off. They need speed in the one and two holes. They also need to have Barnard play third all of the time. No one else seems to be able to handle that spot.

The lineup needs to be consistent, the same, except if someone really falls apart. Players need that consistency so they can focus on their job. Looking over their shoulder hearing foot steps may push them, but consistent play and batting makes them better. It's also a shame that some of the seniors haven't set an example and "step-up" their play. Its all about heart, the team, and not personal wants. A few players can't always carry the team. Maybe if some would put in "extra time" working on their skills, it might help the team, and coaches!!

Every player has class work, and its tough at a school lke UR. But it can be done. Maybe the underclassmen can do some pushing. UR has put many very good teams on the field in the past, only to come up a little short at the end. Maybe these guys can string some wins together and make a push toward the league tournament. Who knows, "stuff" happens.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: LLObserver on March 28, 2012, 12:51:38 AM
Based upon the first week's games, anyone want to revise their predictions on how the standings will shake out this year?
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: airball55 on March 30, 2012, 09:22:25 AM
Great question.  Some surprises for sure.  Rochester is on the outside looking in obviously now.  Maybe Skidmore is better then I thought, as well as others.  RPI, Skidmore, St. Lawrence and I am still going with Clarkson in the last slot.  Union is a bit of a surprise early, but, I got to see it some more. 
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: Joe Baseball on March 30, 2012, 03:56:55 PM
Quote from: airball55 on March 30, 2012, 09:22:25 AM
Great question.  Some surprises for sure.  Rochester is on the outside looking in obviously now.  Maybe Skidmore is better then I thought, as well as others.  RPI, Skidmore, St. Lawrence and I am still going with Clarkson in the last slot.  Union is a bit of a surprise early, but, I got to see it some more. 

A season is not decided in one weekend.  Revisit this in a couple of weeks and see where things stand then.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: airball55 on March 31, 2012, 02:33:49 PM
As I stated.  No one has implied the season is over.  There were some surprises in the first weekend.  Just some innocent discussion.  Chill out man, we are all fans of d3baseball here in this room.  The Rochester boys get testy every now and then, just kidding!!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: Pitchersmom on April 01, 2012, 11:09:26 PM
Ok, so it's clear I'm an RPI fan, but air balls comment that RPI isn't the same program as 5-10 years ago was a zinger after Florida. Hopefully the strong start in the LL gets us going in the right direction. This weekend bats were smoking' vs. Clarkson with Rpi taking 3.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BBFan62 on April 02, 2012, 08:27:12 AM
Quote from: airball55 on March 31, 2012, 02:33:49 PM
As I stated.  No one has implied the season is over.  There were some surprises in the first weekend.  Just some innocent discussion.  Chill out man, we are all fans of d3baseball here in this room.  The Rochester boys get testy every now and then, just kidding!!

IF the UR bats wake up we'll be okay.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: airball55 on April 03, 2012, 01:39:01 PM
Go easy RPI mom.  Having followed RPI over the past 10 years or so, it was practically an easy conclusion that you could write the Redhawks in for the tournament.  They were easily mentioned with Cortland in terms of their own league dominance.  However, the past 5-6 years, times have changed.  They even missed the conference tournament not too long ago!!  Remember, I picked them this season, thinking they may recall some of that past season's dominance.  All I am saying is, they have come back to the pack.  Not too long ago, this was a preseason top 25 program automatically.  Now, with Skidmore and Clarkson and even St. Lawrence getting tournament bids, as frequent and more frequent then the Hawks, the times have changed.  Don't be alarmed, they are off to a good start, but, both of those series' were at home.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: baseballislife on April 03, 2012, 07:52:14 PM
First of all, I think airball's comments are pretty objective and fair.  And hey, if other fans' teams were off to the start that UR is off to, they would be a little testy, too.   ;D  If you start settling for and accepting losing - that is exactly what you you will do.  At least we have a reason to be grumpy, Pitchersmom  ;).

Too bad the SLU/UR series got cut short due to the worst conditions I think I have ever seen.  The series was a draw for 24 of 25 innings, excepting one 7 run debacle in game 2.  Two walk off games - one each way.  Still surprised with the sweep in Saratoga in week one - the first 4 game sweep against UR in the LL since moving to the 4 game format in 2006.

But hey, UR has 20 of 29 players in either their freshman or sophomore year and there are still 20 to be played.  I'm pretty sure they will show up.  Thankfully, the forecast for Troy looks pretty good at this point.  Weatherwise for UR, their new field (fieldturf) can't come quick enough.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BBFan62 on April 03, 2012, 09:10:20 PM
Quote from: baseballislife on April 03, 2012, 07:52:14 PM
First of all, I think airball's comments are pretty objective and fair.  And hey, if other fans' teams were off to the start that UR is off to, they would be a little testy, too.   ;D  If you start settling for and accepting losing - that is exactly what you you will do.  At least we have a reason to be grumpy, Pitchersmom  ;).

Too bad the SLU/UR series got cut short due to the worst conditions I think I have ever seen.  The series was a draw for 24 of 25 innings, excepting one 7 run debacle in game 2.  Two walk off games - one each way.  Still surprised with the sweep in Saratoga in week one - the first 4 game sweep against UR in the LL since moving to the 4 game format in 2006.

But hey, UR has 20 of 29 players in either their freshman or sophomore year and there are still 20 to be played.  I'm pretty sure they will show up.  Thankfully, the forecast for Troy looks pretty good at this point.  Weatherwise for UR, their new field (fieldturf) can't come quick enough.

BBislife-
Well stated. People tend to forget about the youths on our team. But, these kids can all play. Like I said, if our bats come alive, we'll be fine. We have 4 good starters and one of the best closers you'll find. Defensively, our guys can rake. Despite a few pitching lapses, our main problem has been clutch hitting. We went toe to toe with St. Lawrence; they (STL) also played great defense. Our pitching got them to hit a ton of ground balls and hit into 3 double plays despite St. Lawrence not hitting into any before our series. So, look at the positives and prepare for the final 20!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: airball55 on April 04, 2012, 04:06:39 PM
All it may take this year is two hot weeks, say a 7-1 run to get right back into this.  That is the beauty of the 24 game league schedule and with the league a bit upside down early, there is no reason to think you can't get into the tournament this season.  In Rochester's case, those young kids need to get to the tourny as soon as possible in their college career's to experience the one weekend double elim.  Personally, I think the regular season champ is a much better representation of who the best team is, but, the tourny atmosphere better simulates what the regional would be like.  Hang in their Jacket fans, your game scores are close, the bats need to come around.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: Pitchersmom on April 05, 2012, 10:36:53 PM
Quote from: airball55 on April 03, 2012, 01:39:01 PM
Go easy RPI mom.  Having followed RPI over the past 10 years or so, it was practically an easy conclusion that you could write the Redhawks in for the tournament.  They were easily mentioned with Cortland in terms of their own league dominance.  However, the past 5-6 years, times have changed.  They even missed the conference tournament not too long ago!!  Remember, I picked them this season, thinking they may recall some of that past season's dominance.  All I am saying is, they have come back to the pack.  Not too long ago, this was a preseason top 25 program automatically.  Now, with Skidmore and Clarkson and even St. Lawrence getting tournament bids, as frequent and more frequent then the Hawks, the times have changed.  Don't be alarmed, they are off to a good start, but, both of those series' were at home.


hey airball, your observation had truth in it, that's why it smarted! The RPI fans were a bit shell shocked after Florida, the boys were struggling. I think everyone breathed a little sigh of relief that things started out well in the league. There has been parity in the LL and this year probably will bring more of the same.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: airball55 on April 06, 2012, 11:46:53 AM
Don't forget, I picked your RPI guys on top.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BBFan62 on April 12, 2012, 06:28:07 PM
Quote from: BBFan62 on April 02, 2012, 08:27:12 AM
Quote from: airball55 on March 31, 2012, 02:33:49 PM
As I stated.  No one has implied the season is over.  There were some surprises in the first weekend.  Just some innocent discussion.  Chill out man, we are all fans of d3baseball here in this room.  The Rochester boys get testy every now and then, just kidding!!

IF the UR bats wake up we'll be okay.

Well, what happened to the warm weather?? UR had one St. Lawrence game rained out, then missed on on Tuesday & Wednesday this week due to bad weather. Now this weekend's series vs. Clarkson has been moved to Friday/Saturday. It might be rough going after the long bus ride; we'll see. The bats woke up for 1 game last week, can our guys do it for a few games this weekend??
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: scscoach on April 12, 2012, 06:36:54 PM
Week 4 picks.
RPI 3  St. Lawrence 1
Vassar 2  Union 2
Skidmore 4  RIT 0
Clarkson 4  Rochester 0
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BBFan62 on April 13, 2012, 03:29:38 PM
Quote from: scscoach on April 12, 2012, 06:36:54 PM
Week 4 picks.
RPI 3  St. Lawrence 1
Vassar 2  Union 2
Skidmore 4  RIT 0
Clarkson 4  Rochester 0

I think you're incorrect with UR/Clarkson. UR won game one 7-0. Unfortunately, no live stats :-\
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: baseballguy101 on April 13, 2012, 04:12:31 PM
As a guy who's been following the LL for over 20 years, I'm stuck on trying to pick a Gold Glove team over the past few years. Who are the defensive players that have stood out to all of you in the LL in recent memory?
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BBFan62 on April 13, 2012, 09:03:54 PM
Quote from: BBFan62 on April 13, 2012, 03:29:38 PM
Quote from: scscoach on April 12, 2012, 06:36:54 PM
Week 4 picks.
RPI 3  St. Lawrence 1
Vassar 2  Union 2
Skidmore 4  RIT 0
Clarkson 4  Rochester 0

I think you're incorrect with UR/Clarkson. UR won game one 7-0. Unfortunately, no live stats :-\

Also, make it St. Lawrence 2 games, RPI none. It could change tomorrow, who knows. That's why they're called "predictions".
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BBFan62 on April 15, 2012, 08:29:33 PM
Quote from: BBFan62 on April 13, 2012, 09:03:54 PM
Quote from: BBFan62 on April 13, 2012, 03:29:38 PM
Quote from: scscoach on April 12, 2012, 06:36:54 PM
Week 4 picks.
RPI 3  St. Lawrence 1
Vassar 2  Union 2
Skidmore 4  RIT 0
Clarkson 4  Rochester 0

I think you're incorrect with UR/Clarkson. UR won game one 7-0. Unfortunately, no live stats :-\

Also, make it St. Lawrence 2 games, RPI none. It could change tomorrow, who knows. That's why they're called "predictions".
Crazy weekend.....fasten the ol' seat belts, it's going to be a wild finish the next 3 weeks.
St. Lawrence takes 3, Union takes 3. Skidmore takes 3, UR-Clarkson split. Slots 3-& 4 could be up for grabs.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: baseballislife on April 17, 2012, 10:02:02 PM
Nice road win by UR today in Ithaca against a team some have said might be the best in the NY region this year.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: scscoach on April 22, 2012, 05:17:41 PM
I feel bad for UR. Before today, there have been 10 conference games cancelled in last two seasons and UR was involved in 9 of them.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BBFan62 on April 22, 2012, 06:20:41 PM
Quote from: scscoach on April 22, 2012, 05:17:41 PM
I feel bad for UR. Before today, there have been 10 conference games cancelled in last two seasons and UR was involved in 9 of them.

scscoach-
It hurt UR last year and makes it difficult this year. The next 2 weeks will prove exciting. Next week Skidmore/RPI battle it out, Clarkson/Vassar and Union/Rochester battle each other and RIT has St. Lawrence. It appears to be a 3 team race for the top 3 slots (assuming St. Lawrence can get back on track), while the bottom 5 teams all have a shot at the final spot. This is where the weather once again has the possibility of hitting UR where it hurts.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: scscoach on April 22, 2012, 09:24:16 PM
I agree.

Did Vassar refuse to stay in town and play Saturdays games on Sunday, like Clarkson was willing to do for RIT?

St. Lawrence had planned on staying at Skidmore if Saturdays games were rained out but they ended up playing in the rain Saturday instead.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BBFan62 on April 22, 2012, 10:37:24 PM
Quote from: scscoach on April 22, 2012, 09:24:16 PM
I agree.

Did Vassar refuse to stay in town and play Saturdays games on Sunday, like Clarkson was willing to do for RIT?

St. Lawrence had planned on staying at Skidmore if Saturdays games were rained out but they ended up playing in the rain Saturday instead.
I believe that was the case. I think it had to do with the cost of a third night in a hotel, since they did arrive Thursday night. Heck, I would have donated 2 rooms by giving up some of my hotel points!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: AlleyCat on May 01, 2012, 11:14:21 AM
Is RIT the only team out of contention for a playoff spot with one weekend to go?
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: spectator123 on May 01, 2012, 01:02:28 PM
Quote from: AlleyCat on May 01, 2012, 11:14:21 AM
Is RIT the only team out of contention for a playoff spot with one weekend to go?
Technically Yes

Look at the matchups
       Roc (9-12) vs RIT (7-17)
       Cla (11-13) vs STL (16-7)
       Vas (9-13) vs RPI (16-8)       
       Uni (10-14) vs Ski (16-9)

Four teams competing for the 4th spot...RIT can be a spoiler against their in-town rival. Top 3 times still fighting to win the regular season...so everyone has an incentive to play hard....Who of the four would you like to be going into the weekend?
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BBFan62 on May 01, 2012, 01:11:24 PM
Quote from: AlleyCat on May 01, 2012, 11:14:21 AM
Is RIT the only team out of contention for a playoff spot with one weekend to go?

Spectator listed the matchups..........still many scenarios. If Clarkson wins 4 they tie Skiidmore for third; I'm not sure what the tiebreaker would be. If Clarkson wins 2 or 3 they would force Rochester to win 3 or 4 for Rochester to take third. If Skidmore wins 4 and both RPI and St. Lawrence split, Skidmore takes first.
Mother Nature could still kill us...........
Has the LL ever been this tight on the final weekend?
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: baseballislife on May 01, 2012, 10:51:15 PM
Well, at least things are interesting in the LL this year!  First place is still a battle between SLU, RPI, and Skidmore.  I'm going with RPI to edge out SLU and Skidmore.  I think RPI and Skidmore will both take 3 and SLU will split with Clarkson in a tough local rivalry match-up.  The walk-off HR in extras of game 4 by RPI over Skidmore may well prove the difference on where the tournament gets played.

As for the fourth and final spot, with 4 teams within a game of each other, that is very much up for grabs.  UR is getting hot at the right time going 5-1 over their last couple of series in addition to gaining road wins @ Ithaca and @ Brockport.  Both pitching and hitting seem to be coming together.  Having said that, I'm sure RIT would love to throw a wrench into their play-off plans, so UR better be ready.  I think they will be.

Clarkson will be a tough matchup for SLU because they have so much to play for, but they have been trading wins and losses all year and they may need more than they get from a very good SLU team this weekend.

Vassar and Union can still be dangerous, but appear to be heading in the wrong direction as the season winds down.  I think the fact that their opponents this weekend (RPI and Skidmore) have so much to play for as well may be too much for them.

So my final standings predictions are:

RPI          19-9
SLU         18-9
Skidmore 18-10
UR          12-13

Clarkson  13-15
Union      11-17
Vassar     10-16
RIT           8-20
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BBFan62 on May 02, 2012, 08:09:33 AM
Quote from: baseballislife on May 01, 2012, 10:51:15 PM
Well, at least things are interesting in the LL this year!  First place is still a battle between SLU, RPI, and Skidmore.  I'm going with RPI to edge out SLU and Skidmore.  I think RPI and Skidmore will both take 3 and SLU will split with Clarkson in a tough local rivalry match-up.  The walk-off HR in extras of game 4 by RPI over Skidmore may well prove the difference on where the tournament gets played.

As for the fourth and final spot, with 4 teams within a game of each other, that is very much up for grabs.  UR is getting hot at the right time going 5-1 over their last couple of series in addition to gaining road wins @ Ithaca and @ Brockport.  Both pitching and hitting seem to be coming together.  Having said that, I'm sure RIT would love to throw a wrench into their play-off plans, so UR better be ready.  I think they will be.

Clarkson will be a tough matchup for SLU because they have so much to play for, but they have been trading wins and losses all year and they may need more than they get from a very good SLU team this weekend.

Vassar and Union can still be dangerous, but appear to be heading in the wrong direction as the season winds down.  I think the fact that their opponents this weekend (RPI and Skidmore) have so much to play for as well may be too much for them.

So my final standings predictions are:

RPI          19-9
SLU         18-9
Skidmore 18-10
UR          12-13

Clarkson  13-15
Union      11-17
Vassar     10-16
RIT           8-20

May the goord Lord and Mother Nature bless your predictions!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BBFan62 on May 06, 2012, 09:11:48 PM
Quote from: BBFan62 on May 02, 2012, 08:09:33 AM
Quote from: baseballislife on May 01, 2012, 10:51:15 PM
Well, at least things are interesting in the LL this year!  First place is still a battle between SLU, RPI, and Skidmore.  I'm going with RPI to edge out SLU and Skidmore.  I think RPI and Skidmore will both take 3 and SLU will split with Clarkson in a tough local rivalry match-up.  The walk-off HR in extras of game 4 by RPI over Skidmore may well prove the difference on where the tournament gets played.

As for the fourth and final spot, with 4 teams within a game of each other, that is very much up for grabs.  UR is getting hot at the right time going 5-1 over their last couple of series in addition to gaining road wins @ Ithaca and @ Brockport.  Both pitching and hitting seem to be coming together.  Having said that, I'm sure RIT would love to throw a wrench into their play-off plans, so UR better be ready.  I think they will be.

Clarkson will be a tough matchup for SLU because they have so much to play for, but they have been trading wins and losses all year and they may need more than they get from a very good SLU team this weekend.

Vassar and Union can still be dangerous, but appear to be heading in the wrong direction as the season winds down.  I think the fact that their opponents this weekend (RPI and Skidmore) have so much to play for as well may be too much for them.

So my final standings predictions are:

RPI          19-9
SLU         18-9
Skidmore 18-10
UR          12-13

Clarkson  13-15
Union      11-17
Vassar     10-16
RIT           8-20

May the goord Lord and Mother Nature bless your predictions!

What a great weekend of baseball! Ma nature cooperated, as did the baseball Gods. The playofffs are set, with St. Lawrence the host, followed by RPI, Skidmore and Rochester. Was the LL ever so intense on the final weekend?
The fun begins all over again on Thursday.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: baseballislife on May 06, 2012, 10:51:46 PM
Okay, so I got the teams right if not quite on the records.  ;D

Here some potential pitching match-ups in the first games:

Rochester vs. St. Lawrence
Menke (5-2) vs. Conde (4-3)
Menke 3 CG, 2 shut-outs, 57.1 IP, 42 H, 47K, 18BB, opp. BA .211
Conde 4 CG, 1 shutout,    54.0 IP, 50 H, 34K, 23BB, opp. BA .248

Skidmore vs. RPI
Martins (4-0) vs. Campisi (3-2) Taking a guess at Martins starting.  I noticed Rudman did not play at all this past weekend?
                                            He also only went 1 inning on the hill the week before....injured?
Martins 2 CG, 1 shut-out, 42,2 IP, 42 H, 31K, 19BB, opp. BA .263
Campisi 4 CG, 1 shut-out, 59.2 IP 63 H, 37K, 23 BB, opp. BA .267



Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BBFan62 on May 07, 2012, 03:42:57 PM
Quote from: baseballislife on May 06, 2012, 10:51:46 PM
Okay, so I got the teams right if not quite on the records.  ;D

Here some potential pitching match-ups in the first games:

Rochester vs. St. Lawrence
Menke (5-2) vs. Conde (4-3)
Menke 3 CG, 2 shut-outs, 57.1 IP, 42 H, 47K, 18BB, opp. BA .211
Conde 4 CG, 1 shutout,    54.0 IP, 50 H, 34K, 23BB, opp. BA .248

Skidmore vs. RPI
Martins (4-0) vs. Campisi (3-2) Taking a guess at Martins starting.  I noticed Rudman did not play at all this past weekend?
                                            He also only went 1 inning on the hill the week before....injured?
Martins 2 CG, 1 shut-out, 42,2 IP, 42 H, 31K, 19BB, opp. BA .263
Campisi 4 CG, 1 shut-out, 59.2 IP 63 H, 37K, 23 BB, opp. BA .267

Hotel - 54 miles from St. Lawrence. Drive from home to tournament - 14.7 hours. Watching the Jackets in the tournament - Priceless. Win or lose, priceless.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: LLObserver on May 07, 2012, 09:49:58 PM
Rudman sprained his ankle stepping on a baseball.  He also has a blister on his hand.  I would expect you will see him pitch this week.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: baseballislife on May 07, 2012, 10:09:14 PM
I would definitely expect that.  He is a tough "kid" - the hockey player left in him.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: LLbaseball on May 08, 2012, 01:34:44 PM
Rudman may be tough..... but he also talks more trash than any kid in the league.  It's pretty annoying and I can't believe his coaches let him do it so much. 

I think he has to throw game 1 vs. RPI.  Probably Rudman vs. Duval?  and Menke vs. Conde?  Thoughts??
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: baseballislife on May 08, 2012, 04:12:59 PM
Yeah, he does talk alot for sure.  If he is not 100%, I would expect he would be at first base to get his bat into the line-up.  perhaps he will go back to closing or middle relief......guess we will find out.

So you think Duval will go before Campisi?  He had a great outing against Vassar this weekend, but their numbers are close.

Menke vs. Conde was a great match-up the first time through.  Here is the line from that game:

Conde   6.1 IP, 6H, 3ER, 1K, 2BB, 2HBP, UR hit .250
Menke   6.0 IP, 3H, 0ER, 3K, 4BB,        SLU hit .176

Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: DefenseWins on May 09, 2012, 04:56:57 PM
http://libertyleagueathletics.com/news/2012/5/8/BASE_0508122112.aspx


Awards handed out today. Congrats to all who made the list.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: scscoach on May 10, 2012, 05:57:06 PM
I feel bad for UR. In the tourney program, they show the Skidmore team photo and then I turn on Live Stats and they show SL vs. RIT. Could be a sign, watch them win it all now.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: baseballislife on May 10, 2012, 08:48:50 PM
No respect from the home team....haha.  That's ok, UR can just keep using stuff like that for motivation.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: baseballislife on May 10, 2012, 08:52:20 PM
Oh, and weather playing a role in another UR game....real shocker there. ;D
Conditions were pretty bad.  They made the right call in suspending.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: scscoach on May 10, 2012, 10:03:58 PM
Think UR will use King to finish suspended game?
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: baseballislife on May 10, 2012, 10:15:51 PM
Not sure about that.  Lots of different ways they could go.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BBFan62 on May 10, 2012, 10:29:23 PM
Quote from: baseballislife on May 10, 2012, 08:52:20 PM
Oh, and weather playing a role in another UR game....real shocker there. ;D
Conditions were pretty bad.  They made the right call in suspending.
They made the wrong call in beginning it at all! With the forecast for this weekend, neither game should have been played. All  games should have need postponed until tomorrow. Not fair to any player, plus the risk of injury to anyone.
However, now we have to figure out to whom does Rochester turn? I'd go with anoither starter, after all, you want to win!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: scscoach on May 10, 2012, 11:24:24 PM
I'm thinking it will be King vs. Skelly. Such a huge advantage to winning game 1.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BBFan62 on May 12, 2012, 07:29:20 AM
Quote from: scscoach on May 10, 2012, 11:24:24 PM
I'm thinking it will be King vs. Skelly. Such a huge advantage to winning game 1.
Best of luck to the remaing  teams. I stayed to watch some of the RPI/SLU game then went to dinner. I was surprised to see the final of SLU over RPI.
Rochester fell in the suspended game and then lost to Skidmore, 5-3. We could question our strategy vs what SLU did (I agree with the SLU approach) but all I can say is the YellowJackets will be back. We have all our pitching returning plus 7 starters. We'll miss the current seniors and their contributions.The boards were strangely quiet the last month, particularly given the tight race! Have a great summer, fall, and winter. As much as I am looking forward to next year, I do it with a tug at the ol' ticker, as my son will be a senior. I do hope that he and his teammates continue their upward trend. It's a long drive from just north of Chicago to Canton, NY!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: reddragon00 on May 13, 2012, 09:58:30 AM
Watched the Continuation game on Friday.  Didn't understand why the played the first day as well.  Isn't that why you schedule for that extra day????  Umpires where not that good either.  Some questionable calls all over!  UR made a run but they weren't ready to win those games yet...too young!  They also needed a better effort from the #1 against SLU.  The team struggled all year to score runs and they get 4 early and continue to put runs up, pitcher has to shut it down.  SLU looked pretty solid 1-9.  They are definatley the class of the league.  To BBFan62 point about Game 2 for UR, the jackets have 2 pitchers.  Rest of the guys are smoke and mirror guys.  I am kind of surprised your team made it this far.  Looked at the final numbers for the staff, you all went from a 6 ERA last year to a 4.42 this year, while losing 2 conf guys.  Dawes did a good job with the arms this year!  Good year!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BBFan62 on May 13, 2012, 11:22:56 AM
Quote from: reddragon00 on May 13, 2012, 09:58:30 AM
Watched the Continuation game on Friday.  Didn't understand why the played the first day as well.  Isn't that why you schedule for that extra day????  Umpires where not that good either.  Some questionable calls all over!  UR made a run but they weren't ready to win those games yet...too young!  They also needed a better effort from the #1 against SLU.  The team struggled all year to score runs and they get 4 early and continue to put runs up, pitcher has to shut it down.  SLU looked pretty solid 1-9.  They are definatley the class of the league.  To BBFan62 point about Game 2 for UR, the jackets have 2 pitchers.  Rest of the guys are smoke and mirror guys.  I am kind of surprised your team made it this far.  Looked at the final numbers for the staff, you all went from a 6 ERA last year to a 4.42 this year, while losing 2 conf guys.  Dawes did a good job with the arms this year!  Good year!
Reddragon00,
Thanks for the kudos. What made it worse is the tournament director told Renia, "Maybe we should have just started Friday morning instead of playing Thursday". As far as effort goes, nobody can really pitch, field, or hit under those conditions. Pitchers, especially, are in danger of getting injured because you cannot plant properly nor can you get a good grip on the seams to throw your breaking pitches. The conditions worsened during the game and hitters could not get their proper stride. Both guys, Menke and Conde, gave up ground ball hits that, under normal conditions fielders would make the plays. When these two guys squared off 3/31 in conference, UR won 3-2. Menke went 6 innings giving up 0 earned runs and 2 runs total. Conde went 6.1 innings and was taken out with 2 on, 1 out and leading 2-1. He was charged with all 3 runs when Davis hit the game winning double. If the game was played Friday, there was a better chance of having that type of game. As you saw, both guys got hit hard Thursday and Conde lost yesterday. St. Lawrence played poor defense yesterday after leading the league in all 3 catagories, pitching, hhitting, and fielding. That's baseball!
But, it is what it is. Dawes announced his retirement after the game on Senior day; we don't know who his replacement will be. I'll watch live stats for the final game this afternoon; good luck to both teams. St. Lawrence was the top team this year, yet Skidmore has fought back all comers and could come out on top the hard way.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BBFan62 on May 13, 2012, 04:40:24 PM
Quote from: BBFan62 on May 12, 2012, 07:29:20 AM
Quote from: scscoach on May 10, 2012, 11:24:24 PM
I'm thinking it will be King vs. Skelly. Such a huge advantage to winning game 1.
Best of luck to the remaing  teams. I stayed to watch some of the RPI/SLU game then went to dinner. I was surprised to see the final of SLU over RPI.
Rochester fell in the suspended game and then lost to Skidmore, 5-3. We could question our strategy vs what SLU did (I agree with the SLU approach) but all I can say is the YellowJackets will be back. We have all our pitching returning plus 7 starters. We'll miss the current seniors and their contributions.The boards were strangely quiet the last month, particularly given the tight race! Have a great summer, fall, and winter. As much as I am looking forward to next year, I do it with a tug at the ol' ticker, as my son will be a senior. I do hope that he and his teammates continue their upward trend. It's a long drive from just north of Chicago to Canton, NY!

Congratulations to Skidmore; they did it the hard way. St. Lawrence, after leading the league in all catagories, plus taking first just couldn't close the deal. Must be a curse capturing first place. The regular season champ has not been able to advance in tooooooooooooooooooooooo many years! Go represent the LL well. We'll meet again next year!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BBFan62 on May 19, 2012, 09:37:23 AM
Quote from: BBFan62 on May 13, 2012, 04:40:24 PM
Quote from: BBFan62 on May 12, 2012, 07:29:20 AM
Quote from: scscoach on May 10, 2012, 11:24:24 PM
I'm thinking it will be King vs. Skelly. Such a huge advantage to winning game 1.
Best of luck to the remaing  teams. I stayed to watch some of the RPI/SLU game then went to dinner. I was surprised to see the final of SLU over RPI.
Rochester fell in the suspended game and then lost to Skidmore, 5-3. We could question our strategy vs what SLU did (I agree with the SLU approach) but all I can say is the YellowJackets will be back. We have all our pitching returning plus 7 starters. We'll miss the current seniors and their contributions.The boards were strangely quiet the last month, particularly given the tight race! Have a great summer, fall, and winter. As much as I am looking forward to next year, I do it with a tug at the ol' ticker, as my son will be a senior. I do hope that he and his teammates continue their upward trend. It's a long drive from just north of Chicago to Canton, NY!

Congratulations to Skidmore; they did it the hard way. St. Lawrence, after leading the league in all catagories, plus taking first just couldn't close the deal. Must be a curse capturing first place. The regular season champ has not been able to advance in tooooooooooooooooooooooo many years! Go represent the LL well. We'll meet again next year!

Congratulations to the Liberty League players named to the 2012 All-New York Region teams:

1st team:
OF-Kyle Lavigne- RPI
OF-Carter Franz- St. Lawrence
U-David Kinney- Clarkson

2nd Team
SP- Jon Menke- Rochester

3rd Team
SS-Mike Perrone - Vassar
DH- Parker Werline -Vassar
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: AlleyCat on June 14, 2012, 10:13:59 AM
Reardon signs with the Rays - will be assigned to Hudson Valley Renegades. In the Troy Record today! Congrats Pat!!!!!!!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BBFan62 on August 11, 2012, 02:56:43 PM
Soon ours guys will be in school, getting ready for fall practice. Any summer updates?
Three Rochester guys played in the NYCBL. I noticed a couple of other LL players as well. Anyone know about incoming Freshmen, always the unknown, since some will have a nice impact on the team.

Rochester will have a brand new look for Tower Field. It is almost finished. From the pictures I saw, it looks great! Lights, new turf, a warning track, new scoreboard and new dugouts. Can't wait. Too bad this will be my son's senior campaign, but at least he'll get to pl;ay on it.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BBFan62 on August 12, 2012, 11:34:18 PM
Quote from: BBFan62 on August 11, 2012, 02:56:43 PM
Soon ours guys will be in school, getting ready for fall practice. Any summer updates?
Three Rochester guys played in the NYCBL. I noticed a couple of other LL players as well. Anyone know about incoming Freshmen, always the unknown, since some will have a nice impact on the team.

Rochester will have a brand new look for Tower Field. It is almost finished. From the pictures I saw, it looks great! Lights, new turf, a warning track, new scoreboard and new dugouts. Can't wait. Too bad this will be my son's senior campaign, but at least he'll get to pl;ay on it.

Jon Menke (UR) was one of four Starting Pitchers named to the First Team All NYCBL.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: djm222ball on November 03, 2012, 09:02:19 PM
Quote from: BBFan62 on August 12, 2012, 11:34:18 PM
Quote from: BBFan62 on August 11, 2012, 02:56:43 PM
Soon ours guys will be in school, getting ready for fall practice. Any summer updates?
Three Rochester guys played in the NYCBL. I noticed a couple of other LL players as well. Anyone know about incoming Freshmen, always the unknown, since some will have a nice impact on the team.

Rochester will have a brand new look for Tower Field. It is almost finished. From the pictures I saw, it looks great! Lights, new turf, a warning track, new scoreboard and new dugouts. Can't wait. Too bad this will be my son's senior campaign, but at least he'll get to pl;ay on it.

Jon Menke (UR) was one of four Starting Pitchers named to the First Team All NYCBL.

Tyler Heck of Union led the Perfect Game league in runs scored and was a 1st team all star on Little Falls and David Peretti of Union was on the Futures League Nashua Silver Knights championship team
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: djm222ball on November 03, 2012, 09:06:49 PM
Quote from: djm222ball on November 03, 2012, 09:02:19 PM
Quote from: BBFan62 on August 12, 2012, 11:34:18 PM
Quote from: BBFan62 on August 11, 2012, 02:56:43 PM
Soon ours guys will be in school, getting ready for fall practice. Any summer updates?
Three Rochester guys played in the NYCBL. I noticed a couple of other LL players as well. Anyone know about incoming Freshmen, always the unknown, since some will have a nice impact on the team.

Rochester will have a brand new look for Tower Field. It is almost finished. From the pictures I saw, it looks great! Lights, new turf, a warning track, new scoreboard and new dugouts. Can't wait. Too bad this will be my son's senior campaign, but at least he'll get to pl;ay on it.

Jon Menke (UR) was one of four Starting Pitchers named to the First Team All NYCBL.

Tyler Heck of Union led the Perfect Game league in runs scored and was a 1st team all star on Little Falls and David Peretti of Union was on the Futures League Nashua Silver Knights championship team
Jordan Keyser of Skidmore also pitched for the Glens Falls Golden Eagles this summer
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: scscoach on November 16, 2012, 01:31:00 AM
Brian Chudy also played in the PGCBL, for the Watertown Wizards. He looked really sharp. At one of my sons games I sat behind a Red Sox scout who was clocking him, he topped out at 92 and had great stuff.

Skidmore is putting a new infield in with full basepath cutouts.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BBFan62 on November 17, 2012, 09:02:51 AM
Quote from: scscoach on November 16, 2012, 01:31:00 AM
Brian Chudy also played in the PGCBL, for the Watertown Wizards. He looked really sharp. At one of my sons games I sat behind a Red Sox scout who was clocking him, he topped out at 92 and had great stuff.

Skidmore is putting a new infield in with full basepath cutouts.
scscoach,
Yes, I saw that Chudy had a great summer. There should be some great pitching match ups next season in the LL!
Rochester has a brand new, all turf field. This might eliminate the number of rain outs UR has faced over the last two years. We've had the most games canceled due to inclement weather than anyone in the league. The field looks fantastic. A light, steady rain fell during the fall game but we were able to get both games in. That would not have happened in the past/ The field. along with the turf (infield as well as outfield) also has new drainage. Other than this being the final season for my son, I can't wait for the season to begin.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: AlleyCat on February 12, 2013, 10:54:49 AM
Liberty League Pre-Season Poll
1. St Lawrence - Everybody back, lost a couple good arms
2. Skidmore - always tough down the stretch, Rudman a big loss
3. Rensselaer - very young, pitching questionable
4. Rochester - tough Ace, looks young
5. Union - getting better every year
6. Clarkson - 2 big loses, Kinney & Coleman
7. Vassar - plays everyone tough, could be a top 4 team if they win the close ones

Just my thoughts - anyone else  ???

Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BBFan62 on February 12, 2013, 07:27:17 PM
Quote from: AlleyCat on February 12, 2013, 10:54:49 AM
Liberty League Pre-Season Poll
1. St Lawrence - Everybody back, lost a couple good arms
2. Skidmore - always tough down the stretch, Rudman a big loss
3. Rensselaer - very young, pitching questionable
4. Rochester - tough Ace, looks young
5. Union - getting better every year
6. Clarkson - 2 big loses, Kinney & Coleman
7. Vassar - plays everyone tough, could be a top 4 team if they win the close ones

Just my thoughts - anyone else  ???
Allycat,
Glad to see some life on the boards!
You don't have RIT listed, but I think they'll finish low again, but could play a spoiler role. I actually printed out all the 2012 rosters and started going through them.
I have pretty much the same prediction. SLU will be just as tough due to the fact they have all the top hitters back. That's 7 players where the smallest BA is .333. They did lose Conde and Donaldson (both sub 3 ERA's), but only 11 starts, as Donaldson was all relief.
Skidmore- lost Rudman and Lowry, but have everyone else.
Rochester will have a young team. They need their 3 senior hurlers to repeat or improve over last year. LeSuer transferred to RPI, which will help RPI. Rochester improved at some positions and will have one of the best outfields.
RPI lost 10 guys, including a couple of impact guys. Still, they will be right there.
All in all, I could go with either SLU or Skidmore at the top spot, with RPI or Rochester number 3. I may change my mind after I finish my analysis, but this is how I see it. Strictly my unprofessional feeling!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: AlleyCat on February 13, 2013, 09:22:09 AM
Sorry for forgetting about RIT. Hopefully more people respond. Let's get ready for some baseball!!!!!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: LLbaseball on February 15, 2013, 01:50:24 PM
Pre-season poll came out yesterday:
1. St. Lawrence
2. RPI
3. Skidmore
4. Rochester
5. Union
6. Clarkson
7. Vassar
8. RIT

I'd say its about how I see it.  I'm not sure that RPI will be a top 4 team, they lost a lot.  Also, I think Vassar could make a push this year.  A lot of 1 run losses last year.  I know they brought in a solid freshman class.... at a tough place to recruit. (My son loved the coach and the team, but it was too weird of a campus!)  Skidmore is always tough and I think that Union is better (good players returning).  RIT will probably struggle again.  Difficult transition to the LL.  I'm ready for some baseball!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BBFan62 on February 16, 2013, 11:01:54 AM
Quote from: LLbaseball on February 15, 2013, 01:50:24 PM
Pre-season poll came out yesterday:
1. St. Lawrence
2. RPI
3. Skidmore
4. Rochester
5. Union
6. Clarkson
7. Vassar
8. RIT
I'd say its about how I see it.  I'm not sure that RPI will be a top 4 team, they lost a lot.  Also, I think Vassar could make a push this year.  A lot of 1 run losses last year.  I know they brought in a solid freshman class.... at a tough place to recruit. (My son loved the coach and the team, but it was too weird of a campus!)  Skidmore is always tough and I think that Union is better (good players returning).  RIT will probably struggle again.  Difficult transition to the LL.  I'm ready for some baseball!
LLBaseball:

Vassar did play everyone tough and could be a dark horse. Even though RPI lost a lot they still have at least 3 quality arms and 4 guys who hit between .319 - .390.
Vassar beat everyone except Rochester at least 1 game. Two of the games against Rochester were cancelled. They only lost 1 of their top 7 bats and 3 of their top 4 pitchers returning Frankel (2.45 ERA) and  Mrlik (2.73 ERA) should get many more inning than they got last year and will be tough on teams.

RPI lost a lot but the only note worthy hitter was LaVigne (.405). Rio (.390) and Erickson (.292) are seniors this year. RPI's 3 top hurlers return. They did lose 6 hurlers to graduation but have the returnees to challenge anyone.

Skidmore lost Rudman and Lowry but are still loaded, on the mound and at the plate.

SLU is definitely the team to beat with that loaded lineup and 3 quality arms leading the way.

As it is every year, who knows how the newbies will perform? That is always teh question, not fully answered until we hear the official "play ball"!

Speaking of which, opening March 1? I doubt it, but who knows? Maybe Mother Nature will become a baseball fan this year!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: airball55 on February 17, 2013, 12:29:19 PM
I wouldn't sleep on Clarkson.  They lost two really good players, but, that was it.  They should pitch just fine and that trip is always a tough one.  I can't put Rochester up there yet, they have to prove it.  I agree with Union and Vassar as well on the improve.  Top to bottom, this league is very deep, it isn't like it used to be (early 2000's) with RPI, Clarkson and Skidmore, then pretty much everyone else.  St. Lawrence will be good.  I can see Rochester improving, new field, etc.. they just haven't been able to get over the hump, but, they do have a very good number one arm.  I am a bit surprised that RIT struggles as much as they do.. but I too see them at the bottom.  When does Bard come in?  Do they even have baseball?
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BBFan62 on February 17, 2013, 07:39:36 PM
Quote from: airball55 on February 17, 2013, 12:29:19 PM
I wouldn't sleep on Clarkson.  They lost two really good players, but, that was it.  They should pitch just fine and that trip is always a tough one.  I can't put Rochester up there yet, they have to prove it.  I agree with Union and Vassar as well on the improve.  Top to bottom, this league is very deep, it isn't like it used to be (early 2000's) with RPI, Clarkson and Skidmore, then pretty much everyone else.  St. Lawrence will be good.  I can see Rochester improving, new field, etc.. they just haven't been able to get over the hump, but, they do have a very good number one arm.  I am a bit surprised that RIT struggles as much as they do.. but I too see them at the bottom.  When does Bard come in?  Do they even have baseball?
Airball55,
Bard does have a team; their Head Coach came from Rochester. They start LL play next season.
I don't want to suggest any slight to Clarkson. They did lose their big bat, but their other 5 big bats come back, plus 2 more hitting .292. They are replacing 9 starts total on the mound, and Chudy will be very tough this year.
I think 4th place will come down to the wire, just like last year.
What might make a difference is hitting. Last year Rochester was  number 2 in ERA but dead last (.255) in team hitting.
If you look at team stats you'll find:
Team                   BA           OPP BA        Avg RS           Team ERA        Fld%     
St. Lawrence      .330         .279             6.38                3.73              .961         
RPI                     .300         .285             5.38                5.45              .951
Skidmore           .304         .282              5.88                4.90              .950
Rochester          .255         .265             4.04                 4.42             .957
Clarkson            .300         .300             5.58                 5.53             .964
Union                .292          .286             4.49                 4.72             .958
Vassar              .305          .312              5.71                5.89             .964
RIT                    .271          .339             4.10                 6.95             .942

So, now my brain hurts! Rochester lost 14 players from last year, including 5 to graduation. Their pitching staff will be anchored by their 3 senior hurlers and will need to count on a couple of freshmen to step in. Their Junior arms are healthy and should make a big difference if they hold out. The main problem for Rochester last year was hitting, as evidenced by the .255 BA. However, they held opponents to .265, best in the league. Get those extra couple of hits and a tweak of the defense, and UR should be back in the playoffs. But, top to bottom, it should be a competitive year and, as least on paper, I don't see anyone running away with the title. It should be a wire to wire battle.           
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BBFan62 on February 26, 2013, 01:29:38 PM
It's snowing hard in Chicago...........I know it's heading towards NY. After looking at the weather forecast I guess we need to be content with starting the season March 10 in Florida :(
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BBFan62 on February 28, 2013, 07:51:18 PM
Hats off to RIT on their 3-1 start to this year, including a mighty impressive win over #25 Farmingdale State. As I mentioned earlier, I think this will be a tight race! And, at least somebody from the LL has been able to start play. Our games are wiped out this weekend, so we'll have to wait for Florida and March 10 :(
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: nyy2344nyy on March 03, 2013, 07:55:47 PM
Quote from: airball55 on February 17, 2013, 12:29:19 PM
I wouldn't sleep on Clarkson.  They lost two really good players, but, that was it.  They should pitch just fine and that trip is always a tough one.  I can't put Rochester up there yet, they have to prove it.  I agree with Union and Vassar as well on the improve.  Top to bottom, this league is very deep, it isn't like it used to be (early 2000's) with RPI, Clarkson and Skidmore, then pretty much everyone else.  St. Lawrence will be good.  I can see Rochester improving, new field, etc.. they just haven't been able to get over the hump, but, they do have a very good number one arm.  I am a bit surprised that RIT struggles as much as they do.. but I too see them at the bottom.  When does Bard come in?  Do they even have baseball?

Bard has a team that will join the Liberty League next season.  Coach played and coached at UR and just won the first 2 games played since 1937.  I think it will be a while before they will be competing at a high level in the Liberty League.  Starting a program from the ground up, they don't yet have a home field on campus, supposed to be built sometime this year?  The league is growing, which is always a good sign.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BBFan62 on March 17, 2013, 08:39:47 AM
Last day of Florida baseball, then back to the Tundra :-\  Looking at the 10 day Rochester weather forecast it does not look promising!

Any thoughts on the season now that everyone has gotten games in? Even though the Yellowjackets are 3-4 heading into the game today, it has been very encouraging. So, let the fun begin!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: airball55 on March 17, 2013, 11:05:49 AM
It's early, but again it looks very balanced.  RPI stand out a bit with a nice win comfortably over Brockport.  RIT is off to a decent start but the schedule strength isn't all that impressive.  They too beat Brockport.  St. Lawrence had a nice finish to their trip.  Hard to project early as teams play a lot in a short amount of time which hurts pitching depth.  RPI at 7-2 has to be the most encouraging of the starts for the clubs, with both losses against high profile in region programs in games that were tight, Farmingdale and Cortland.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: strike3 on March 17, 2013, 03:07:05 PM
RPI looks to have solid hitting, fielding and pitching this year. Got contribution fom many sources. Lost many last year but younger players stepping up. Good
momentum coming out of spring training.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: John McGraw on March 17, 2013, 11:57:10 PM
Quote from: BBFan62 on March 17, 2013, 08:39:47 AM
Last day of Florida baseball, then back to the Tundra :-\  Looking at the 10 day Rochester weather forecast it does not look promising!

Any thoughts on the season now that everyone has gotten games in? Even though the Yellowjackets are 3-4 heading into the game today, it has been very encouraging. So, let the fun begin!

Weather may not be as much of a factor this year with lights and synthetic turf at Towers Field.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: magicman on March 18, 2013, 05:41:21 AM
Skidmore pitcher Jordan Keysor had a nice outing the other day but the Thoroughbreds couldn't close the deal as the bullpen gave up 4 runs in the 8th inning. Skidmore lost the game 5-4 to Drew University. Keysor had 10 strikeouts as he went 6 innings and only gave up 4 hits and 1 earned run. He left with a 2-1 lead and Skidmore increased their advantage to 4-1 when they tacked on 2 more in the top of the 8th. Drew got it going in the bottom half of the 8th when a single, an error, and another single scored a run with 1 out. Skidmore went to the pen again and Drew got 4 straight singles off the new pitcher to plate 3 more runs and the Rangers held on for the 1 run win.   
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BBFan62 on March 20, 2013, 10:53:46 AM
Cortland vs. Rochester postponed. Think we will all get to open this week, or will the weather prevent everyone, or anyone? I know Rochester is supposed to get snow today and tomorrow. Saturday is scheduled to be 37 degrees with 30% chance of snow, while Sunday looks to be 37 with a 20% chance of the white stuff. Shall we play with orange baseballs?  ;D
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: airball55 on March 20, 2013, 02:02:00 PM
global warming my %$^... that new turf facility will help a ton though..good to see
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BBFan62 on March 20, 2013, 04:10:59 PM
Quote from: airball55 on March 20, 2013, 02:02:00 PM
global warming my %$^... that new turf facility will help a ton though..good to see
Airball55,
My feelings exactly! Turf will only help if you can see it! I wonder what the minimum temperature would be in order to play. Saturday is iffy, but, despite the cold there may be a possibility of playing Sunday and Monday. Of course that would mean a short day of classes, or no class at all!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: airball55 on March 22, 2013, 12:16:49 AM
I remember playing in snow spitting and as low as 30 degrees!!  it depends upon what the coaches think the guys can handle and keep it safe.  A teammate of mine broke an aluminum bat, the old gold Easton!!  It was about freezin, single up the middle and the handle in hand running down the line.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BBFan62 on March 22, 2013, 08:26:26 AM
Quote from: airball55 on March 22, 2013, 12:16:49 AM
I remember playing in snow spitting and as low as 30 degrees!!  it depends upon what the coaches think the guys can handle and keep it safe.  A teammate of mine broke an aluminum bat, the old gold Easton!!  It was about freezin, single up the middle and the handle in hand running down the line.

Yesterday Coach mentioned they will play, regardless of how cold it is, if the snow accumulation allows them! We were at a game in April last year when it started to snow during the game. Since I am driving 11 hours to see them play, I do hope we play!
We usually fly in for the conference games, but I decided the opening weekend is too iffy to fly. Two years ago opening weekend was canceled, which cost us the airfare penalty. Last year opening games were changed to Sunday & Monday, so we only got to see the Sunday games.
Yes, the turf field will allow UR to play in rain, but snow is a different story! Mother Nature is obviously NOT a baseball fan!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BBFan62 on March 23, 2013, 01:28:51 PM
PAINFUL!
ALL LL games canceled this weekend. RPI/UR will attempt to play a doubleheader on Tuesday, as will some others. This will mess up the weekend rotation for the 29th/30th!
So much for the new UR turf field! We got around Mother Nature and her rains of the last 2 years, so she dumps us all with snow!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BBFan62 on March 26, 2013, 10:59:43 PM
Pitching was highlighted today as UR and RPI split as they opened LL play. RPI took the first game 2-0, as both Mike Campisi (RPI) and Corey King (UR) tangled in a gem. Campisi came out on top with a 1 hitter (should have been a no hitter). King suffered the loss, having yielded only 1 earned run.
In game 2 Jon Menke tossed a 4 hitter, with 0 walks and 7 K's, surrendering 1 unearned run. Both teams are 1-1 in LL play.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BBFan62 on March 29, 2013, 06:23:03 PM
Vassar & Rochester split, Rochester taking game one 4-3 in 13 innings, Vassar grabbing the nightcap 2-0, with Vassar throwing a 1 hitter at UR, the second 1 hit, 2-0 loss for the Yellowjackets. UR is now 2-2 in LL play, Vassar 1-1.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: airball55 on March 29, 2013, 09:30:20 PM
Clarkson split with Skidmore.  Cruised in game one, and had a 7-1 lead in game two and the Breds' come from behind to get one.  St. Lawrence sweeps RIT.  RPI and Union with no report on either website of a delay or cancellation or a game score.  The league is tight top to bottom, if there is a bottom. 
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BBFan62 on March 31, 2013, 05:27:58 PM
After the first two weeks,  the LL is shaping up to be the dogfight everyone thought it would be. St. Lawrence is 2-0, RIT 0-2, with the second DH postponed. Union is 3-1 after defeating RPI 3 of 4. Rochester is 3-3, Everyone else 2-2,  and RPI 1-3 heading into week 3. So far UR has had outstanding pitching, but weak hitting, having suffered (2) 1 hit losses, both 2-0. Pitching on 3 days rest. Corey King, who deserves to be 4-0 improved to 2-2 after tossing a 4 hit cg shutout. In both his losses, UR was shutout. Menke also went on 3 days rest, tossing 6 shutout innings before surrendering 2 runs in the 7th. UR lost 3-2, with Menke getting a ND.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: airball55 on April 01, 2013, 12:44:10 PM
RPI dropping 3 of 4 to Union!!  Wow, how times have changed.  I still can't imagine that, although, it certainly isn't the same RPI of the 90's and 2000's. 
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: LLObserver on April 07, 2013, 08:23:53 PM
Or maybe it is a case of this isn't the same Union of the 90's and 2000's.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: airball55 on April 07, 2013, 11:07:07 PM
That may be true as well.  The whole league looks to be really balanced.  Not sure if there is a team that can challenge in the regional...but it is very competitive.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: LLObserver on April 08, 2013, 12:10:55 PM
Waiting to hear what BBF thinks since his team played Union this weekend.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BBFan62 on April 08, 2013, 12:44:29 PM
Quote from: LLObserver on April 08, 2013, 12:10:55 PM
Waiting to hear what BBF thinks since his team played Union this weekend.

Gents, can't say what I'd like too!
But, I did say awhile ago Vassar (and now Union) would be a dark horse! Both teams are good. They've played together since Freshmen and are now gaining the fruits of their experience. My hats off to both teams.

I was not at the game; watching "live stats' was a treat because they had them all messed up, particularly Sunday when they showed Rochester as Union and vice versa.

All I know is Menke pitched well enough to win, having given up only 4 hits and 1 earned run. But, like the rest of the games, defense was wobbly and hitting non existent. The Jackets were held to 3 hits and 1 run, which is becoming too common.
This is what happens, I guess, when you play your Freshmen. We have 4 -5 Freshmen starters, depending upon how coach structures the team. It's not too late, but these guys have to start hitting college pitching or they'll be watching the LL playoffs instead of attending.

Up to this weekend, our pitching has been solid. King deserved to be 4-0, not 2-2, as in both of his first 2 losses the Jackets were shutout, including a 2-0 1 hitter. Cool had 3 great outings under his belt before yesterday and Sullivan, our closer had been going great. Menke has 2 ND to go with his 1 loss. In his last ND he gave up 2 runs but was down 2-0 when he left. He was pitching on 3 days rest. The Jackets, up to that point (6.1 innings) had been held to 2 hits. Same thing in his first ND, gave up 2 runs and left tied 2-2. Diller had 6 outstanding innings in relief. So, who knows what happened?

But, still several weeks to go; so we'll see how it all shakes out! The Jackets can still be there if the hitting comes around.

What do the rest of you think? Man, the board is normally alive with chatter! It's been very quiet!.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: reddragon00 on April 08, 2013, 01:32:38 PM
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Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: reddragon00 on April 08, 2013, 01:43:17 PM
Had a chance to watch the Union Rochester games a little in Amsterdam this weekend...(Couldn't watch my Cortland Team play...Had a rough weekend).  My first impression of Game 1 arm Menke on Sat was a solid pitcher but against a good hitting team, he struggled to locate.  Should have won the game though.  First basemen dropped a throw that cost the winning run.  Union 1-3 hitters as good.  Esposito is a tough out and hassled them all day.  UR is young!  Could help but notice all players were freshman and sophomores that played.  Union can swing it and play solid D.  Game 2 Union arm was solid.  UR arm was shaky.  UR D was awful and they payed for it.  Sunday saw more of the same.  Union jumped out as UR arm, King (?) was average but I liked the second arm they brought in.  Not sure why he wasn't starting.  Union guys just pounded the zone and made plays.  They got some key hits and deserved the W's.
Union will be in the playoffs barring a collapse.  They need a better place to play.  Shuttlesworth Park is a dump and is not a college field. UR could be a solid team but agree, they need to hit!  the top 3 guys can set the table but need guys to knock them in.  If the weekend guys can bounce back after this weekend, they should be able to get in the LL tourney. 
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: airball55 on April 09, 2013, 09:24:28 PM
It is good to see some activity on here.  Good to see the Dragon chiming in.  One question though for the Dragon...Shuttleworth Park in Amsterdam, if it is the one the Mohawks play in is a nice park hosting summer ball at a much higher level for close to a decade now.  Maybe it just opened and it hasn't been worked on but that place is pretty nice, particularly compared to Central Park where Union plays.  Do I have the same Shuttleworth??
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: djm222ball on April 09, 2013, 09:51:03 PM
You have the correct Shutleworth Park, Union is using the same Park the Mohawks play on part time at this point
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: airball55 on April 10, 2013, 08:34:26 AM
I can't imagine it's dump then.  But, if it hasn't been worked on because it does not get used this time of year, that certainly wouldn't help the surface.  Anyway, Union should always play there, they are 9-1 in conference!!  Good to see someone else up there...good luck the rest of the way.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: LLObserver on April 10, 2013, 11:51:06 AM
From what I hear, Shuttleworth Park is only an alternate home site for Union and they are still playing most of their home games at Central Park.  They have only played the Rochester series at Shuttleworth. 
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: John McGraw on April 10, 2013, 04:50:42 PM
Shuttleworth is much, much nicer in the summer when all the bells and whistles are installed. It looks a lot different when it's plastered with outfield signs and advertisements as opposed to the generic chain link fence in the outfield.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: AlleyCat on April 23, 2013, 09:05:32 AM
Looks like Union will be hosting this year. any ideas on where they will host? Shuttleworth or central Park?
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: AlleyCat on April 26, 2013, 09:03:24 AM
2 Liberty League teams in the first Regional ranking

Union 3rd

RPI 5th

Hopefully those 2 teams keep winning
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BBFan62 on April 27, 2013, 10:01:54 AM
Quote from: AlleyCat on April 23, 2013, 09:05:32 AM
Looks like Union will be hosting this year. any ideas on where they will host? Shuttleworth or central Park?

While I tend to agree that it looks like Union will host, RPI is only 2 games back with 8 to play. All I can say is the tournament will be in the Albany area, just can't say for sure where. This is a BIG weekend in the LL!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: AlleyCat on April 30, 2013, 08:02:24 AM
Looks like Union will be hosting after another great weekend. RPI has secured its spot, but 3rd and 4th place are still up for grabs. This could be a real interesting weekend. I believe that RIT is the only team that has been eliminated. St Lawrence can secure 3rd with a split.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: AlleyCat on May 06, 2013, 09:32:36 AM
Congrats to Vassar on their first LL playoff bid. The beat the #1 team twice to get in, Very impressive.  Word on the street is that the tourney will be played at Siena College.

#1 Union
#2 RPI
#3 St Lawrence
#4 Vassar

Weather looks horrible for the Thursday to Sunday like usual
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: LLbaseball on May 06, 2013, 09:04:40 PM
Very interesting pairings for the tournament.  It's completely up for grabs.  Vassar is a scary team and a good change of pace for the tournament.  That program has come a long way.

I hope the weather holds up.  Hopefully the facility at Siena is a good one. 

Exciting time of year for the league!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: LLbaseball on May 06, 2013, 09:06:59 PM
Also, what happened to UR at the end of the year?  Yikes!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BBFan62 on May 06, 2013, 11:19:34 PM
Quote from: LLbaseball on May 06, 2013, 09:06:59 PM
Also, what happened to UR at the end of the year?  Yikes!
The Freshmen did not perform as anticipated. All season there were usually 4-5 freshmen starting. A total lack of timely hitting all year. The defense killed them in a couple of critical games, particularly down the stretch.  For example, against St. Lawrence they had the SLU ace on the ropes, leading 3-1 going into the bottom of the last inning. UR allows the first hitter to get on by throwing away a routine grounder. Then, with 2 on and one out, a tailor made game ending double play is botched; SLU went on to win 4-3. We lose another to SLU 1-0. Against SLU the Jackets had 29 hits in 3 games, yet only scored 4 runs. The week before, against Clarkson, the same thing happened. A game ending double play was mishandled and UR went on to lose in extra innings.
This week, against RIT, same ol' story - lack of timely hitting. Too many left on base. The UR ace hadn't been able to pitch for 3 starts due to shoulder soreness. He started the last game yesterday, despite not being 100%. He went 7 innings and left with the game tied 1-1. Several UR runners left stranded. The Jackets scored 2 in the top of the eighth to take a 3-1 lead. The Freshman reliever promptly gave up 4 runs in the bottom of the 8th to help the Jackets go down.
In that last game 6 of the position starters were Freshmen.
However, the Freshmen are talented and will be a force when they are Juniors, if UR is able to replace the 3 senior pitchers - Menke, King, and Sullivan. They have some good pitchers left, particularly Cool, Mabee, and Diller. King ended up 4-5 but lost 3 games by UR being shutout. Menke ended 3-2 but, like King, was a victim of run support. The most he gave up in a game was 3 runs, which was in his second start of the year. Both Menke and King had sub 3.00 ERA's but combined to go 7-7. But, that's baseball. A very disappointing year!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: AlleyCat on May 08, 2013, 09:41:11 AM
This is going to be a great tourney and any of the 4 can win it. Hopefully the weather holds up so they can actually play the whole tourney and crown a champion. Weather in the Albany area looks wet for the next 4 days.

Any thoughts on who might take home the title?
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: LLbaseball on May 08, 2013, 04:05:10 PM
I really think this tournament is wide open for any of the 4 teams.  Vassar is a scary team to play in a tournament like this, and they are hot right now.  Only team to beat Union twice in the regular season, too.  Union is obviously a top team, but maybe are on the down side of their peak?  I think RPI and St. Lawrence will have to keep their offense going to stay in it.  Evenly matched and very competitive. 

Should be a good one. 
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: AlleyCat on May 09, 2013, 08:02:04 AM
Any predictions on today's games?

St Lawrence vs RPI - noon
Vassar vs Union - 3:30pm

Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: AlleyCat on May 10, 2013, 10:15:57 AM
RPI 8
St Lawrence 0

Union 3
Vassar 2 in 10 innings

Vassar vs St Lawrence - 9:30am
RPI vs Union - 1pm
TBD - 4:30pm
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BBFan62 on May 10, 2013, 08:41:16 PM
Quote from: AlleyCat on May 10, 2013, 10:15:57 AM
RPI 8
St Lawrence 0

Union 3
Vassar 2 in 10 innings

Vassar vs St Lawrence - 9:30am
RPI vs Union - 1pm
TBD - 4:30pm

Good night SLU; so much for the experts predictions. I didn't think SLU would capture first place nor win the conference tourney. They only had one tough pitcher and he almost lost to UR and did lose yesterday. They have the bats but as we know, good pitching usually wins out. Hats off to RPI, they're going to be tough to beat. Prior to conference games I mentioned Union and Vassar as the dark horses, now one of them will go home tomorrow while the other has the tough task of knocking off RPI. Good luck to all.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BBFan62 on May 10, 2013, 08:58:00 PM
Quote from: BBFan62 on May 10, 2013, 08:41:16 PM
Quote from: AlleyCat on May 10, 2013, 10:15:57 AM
RPI 8
St Lawrence 0

Union 3
Vassar 2 in 10 innings

Vassar vs St Lawrence - 9:30am
RPI vs Union - 1pm
TBD - 4:30pm

Good night SLU; so much for the experts predictions. I didn't think SLU would capture first place nor win the conference tourney. They only had one tough pitcher and he almost lost to UR and did lose yesterday. They have the bats but as we know, good pitching usually wins out. Hats off to RPI, they're going to be tough to beat. Prior to conference games I mentioned Union and Vassar as the dark horses, now one of them will go home tomorrow while the other has the tough task of knocking off RPI. Good luck to all.

Well hush my grits; I did not know Vassar & Union played later. Congratulations to Union, Vassar has been eliminated. So, it's Union with the uphill battle.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BBFan62 on May 12, 2013, 03:33:41 PM
Quote from: BBFan62 on May 10, 2013, 08:58:00 PM
Quote from: BBFan62 on May 10, 2013, 08:41:16 PM
Quote from: AlleyCat on May 10, 2013, 10:15:57 AM
RPI 8
St Lawrence 0

Union 3
Vassar 2 in 10 innings

Vassar vs St Lawrence - 9:30am
RPI vs Union - 1pm
TBD - 4:30pm

Good night SLU; so much for the experts predictions. I didn't think SLU would capture first place nor win the conference tourney. They only had one tough pitcher and he almost lost to UR and did lose yesterday. They have the bats but as we know, good pitching usually wins out. Hats off to RPI, they're going to be tough to beat. Prior to conference games I mentioned Union and Vassar as the dark horses, now one of them will go home tomorrow while the other has the tough task of knocking off RPI. Good luck to all.

Well hush my grits; I did not know Vassar & Union played later. Congratulations to Union, Vassar has been eliminated. So, it's Union with the uphill battle.

Congratulations to RPI - go get 'em in the Regional. Too bad for Union; this must be at least 6 years in a row where the host team has not advanced to the regional. Back to the long cold winter for the rest of the teams.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: AlleyCat on May 20, 2013, 09:22:28 AM
RPI did really well in the Regionals representing the LL in a good way. Pitching was superb. Very young team and played without Erickson and Rio basically the whole tournament. Anybody know what happened to Rio? Hopefully this will give the LL the respect it deserves. Good league deserving of more than one bid. Union would have been better than Neumann.

Nice year RPI.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: AlleyCat on March 14, 2014, 11:22:53 AM
Liberty League with a nice day. Rochester finally getting on the win board with a nice 3-2 decision on Case ranked #24 and RPI thumping St Joes from Maine 18-8. Clarkson gets it going today. St. Lawrence starting off pretty well, Vassar off to a 3-0 start beating NCAA team Franklin and Marshall 16-7. Skidmore struggling playing a pretty weak schedule.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: airball55 on March 14, 2014, 04:59:33 PM
Clarkson split with oneonta...I am digging my earlier picks on here....what does union have coming back?
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: AlleyCat on March 17, 2014, 02:17:44 PM
Rochester off to a tough start playing in the UAA (2-5)
RPI off to a nice start (8-2), hammered by Cortland and then a tough one to TCNJ, pretty good schedule
Skidmore may have a tough year (3-6) not playing a very tough schedule in Florida
St Lawrence (4-4), right where everyone thought they would be with 1 stud starter
Clarkson (2-3) looking pretty good against tough schedule
Vassar (3-3) looks like they may be able to make some noise this year. All depends on pitching!
RIT - not out of the gate yet
Bard - 1st year
Union - Not out of the gate yet

Any predictions?????
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: baseballislife on March 17, 2014, 09:51:30 PM
Rochester took their lumps in the always competitive UAA tourney (actually 2-6, but four one run losses), but the experience should help them up north.  Playing a deep Emory team twice (out of Atlanta and 15 games into their season before UR even practices outdoors) is never an easy assignment.  Good win over #25 Case Western and had them on the ropes a second time, suffering one of those one run losses.  Young team (again), but better than anticipated pitching last week.  A couple of their main bats started slow in Fla., but once they get going, they should be okay.  Important early season series vs. SLU this weekend on the turf field in Rochester.  Other early thoughts:

RPI is the obvious front runner and early favorite in the LL.
I agree Skidmore looks to be in a down cycle,
SLU - One ridiculous starting pitcher, but seems to be a drop-off after that.  The opposite of UR, who played six one run games in Fla., SLU seemed to either breeze to a win or get blown out.
Clarkson 2-3 vs. SUNYAC in Fla. and split against Grinnell today....can't get a good read just yet,but competitive against some good teams.
Vassar has lost three straight in large fashion and with wins over Medaille and Franklin and Marshall (lost to Case 18-3), I am not buying that stock.
Bard is still building their program and will likely take their lumps in league play this year.
RIT has some scrappy leadership and always seems to come up with some good wins.  The problem has been they are just as likely to drop series' and games they look like they should possibly win.  Will this year be different?
Union seems to look much like SLU after sustaining some significant pitching losses and a couple of top bats.  One very good starter in O'Neil, though. 

Here are my four play-off teams, in no particular order:

RPI
Union
Rochester
Clarkson

Clarkson gets in on the final weekend, besting Skidmore while RPI helps them by taking 3 of 4 in SLU.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: airball55 on March 18, 2014, 09:48:21 AM
I will take a shot at this. 

RPI is pretty easy.
Clarkson looks pretty solid as well as a pick.

Now it gets a bit cloudy.  I would have had Vassar in there, but, the last couple losses including a 16-2 loss to Utica scares me.  Pitching depth could be a big problem.  I never know what to do with Rochester.  I think the league in general is ready for someone to make a jump, just don't know if its them.  So I will go with:

Union by default
Flipping coins with St. Lawrence, Vassar, Rochester, RIT (who returns a bunch of players)...I will take St. Lawrence on the strength of the ace pitcher. 
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: baseballislife on March 18, 2014, 03:53:49 PM
I couldn't help but notice today that my top 4 is the exact same as the pre-season coaches poll.  Unintentional, but interesting.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: LLbaseball on March 21, 2014, 09:04:06 AM
I was able to see a few teams while I was down in Florida.... namely, Vassar, RPI, and Clarkson.  All 3 teams looked solid, to be honest.  RPI is explosive and very sharp in the field.  I saw Vassar put up 16 runs on Franklin and Marshall (3 hr's).  They can definitely hit and the starting pitcher was a freshman who was very good.  Despite the loss to Utica, I think they will be ok.  Clarkson looks like the usual Clarkson.  A few bats in the lineup and a few arms to keep them in games.  I liked all 3 teams.

It's too tough to make a pick for playoff teams right now..... in my opinion. Does anyone know what teams are doing with the schedule this weekend?  Is everyone playing?
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: airball55 on March 21, 2014, 06:29:45 PM
But it's fun to pick!!  I like Clarkson the more I look at them.  They very well could have swept Brockport, who is hot right now.  They played Cortland tough.  Hope and Grinnell aren't pushovers.  I have to slide them up just behind RPI.  Rochester moves up a bit as well just because they played a decent schedule in Florida against teams that have been outside.  But, we will know more on them today against St. Lawrence, who, I think is the team they have to beat out for the four spot. 
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: baseballislife on March 22, 2014, 08:33:25 AM
Riley pitched a good game (again) for SLU in game 1 last night.  Rochester rallied in game 2 before falling just short, 8-7.  UR needs to shore up their defense, which was very weak yesterday - costing them wayyy too many unearned runs.  Some base running errors took them out of potential good innings, too.

UR needs to step up today and at least get the split.  Otherwise, they put themselves behind the 8 ball early.  I agree that this series may very well decide who gets in at the end.  UR has their top pitcher from Florida going today (Sophomore Warren - 1-0, 10 IP, 0 ER, 9H, 10K, 4BB) as well as a big freshman who has shown solid potential to contribute right away.

Games 3-4 scheduled for a noon start on Saturday.  With the turf field and lights, I'm pretty confident they will get these games in.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: baseballislife on March 22, 2014, 08:42:39 AM
Correction on UR-SLU Game 2 score, which was actually 7-6.  Also of note, UR freshman SS Heinrich hit a three-run inside the park HR to the 417 mark in right-centerfield to temporarily tie the game at 3-3.  Good moment for him.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: baseballislife on March 22, 2014, 08:18:03 PM
UR's Dan Warren pitched a complete game shut-out today to get to 17 IP this season without allowing an earned run.  UR wins 3-0. 

UR showed some grit in game 2 to rally and tie it in the 9th before SLU wins with a walk-off in the bottom of the inning.  All in all a pretty even series, but SLU gets 3 of 4 mostly due to rough UR defense in game 2.

Two more one run losses for UR in the series, giving them a 2-6 record in 1 run decisions in 12 games.  Got to get over that hump if they want to be playing post-season ball.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: AlleyCat on March 25, 2014, 12:32:22 PM
Union has big test today against Whitewater.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: airball55 on March 25, 2014, 08:34:10 PM
Union on wrong end of 26-11 game with WWhitewater.  Hard to really gage this.  both teams starters got smacked around pretty good.  It was game 6 in four days for Union, so, it's hard to imagine that they have the pitching depth to run into a team like this on the fourth day.  The other games played have been low scoring and against decent teams (minus Hamilton), Keene St, Chicago.  So, they are still 4-2 on the trip and this one just was a tough match up against a VERY good program.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: baseballislife on March 26, 2014, 08:38:29 AM
A tough opponent for Union, for sure.  I am sure they were both pretty deep into their pitching staffs.  The thing that pops out to me is 10 errors by Union, yet 24 of the 26 runs scored by WW were earned.  That is pretty hard to do and a very rare stat line.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: airball55 on March 26, 2014, 11:20:28 AM
I saw that as well..I think it's just one of those days.  The Wisconsin boys can swing it though and when they get rolling can be tough to stop.  The rest of the week has been good for the staff.  Union is still a top three team in this league, maybe a bit higher.  RIT goes 4-3 but really didn't beat anyone worth mentioning.  Hard to gage them.  Still like the same teams we have mentioned all along.  RPI, Clarkson, Union, St. Law., Rochester and RIT on outside looking in but could be in the mix.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: AlleyCat on March 26, 2014, 03:24:24 PM
I think it's going to a real advantage to the teams that had later spring breaks this year. Some of the teams that played earlier will not have played for close the 2-3 weeks. Teams like Union and RIT could make some real noise early due to the advantage. Everybody expected union to be strong this year, but maybe RIT could sneak in with the advantage. Some of the teams could be playing 6-8 league games in 3-5 days.

Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: baseballislife on March 29, 2014, 06:05:12 PM
The pitchers held the advantage in a DH split between RIT and UR today.  RIT rallied late in game one, putting up 3 runs in the 6th inning of the 7 inning game and winning 4-2.  RIT rightfielder made a great diving catch on a 300 ft. line drive with one out and runners on 1st and second in the bottom of the 7th for UR.  If he doesn't make that play, the game is at least tied.

In game 2, UR spot starter Junior Josh Schulman takes a no-hitter into the 7th and strikes out the side in the 8th before being lifted for closer Janifer.  A lead-off single for RIT in the 9th fizzles when Janifer gets RIT hitter 2-3-4.  UR wins quick 9 inning game, 1-0.

In the only other LL action today, Union wins game 1, 2-0, on the strength of a 7 inning no-hitter by freshman Fishman.  In Game 2, Bard put a scare into the defending regular season champs as Union scores an unearned run in the 7th to tie Bard 3-3.  Game is called due to rain after 7.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: airball55 on March 29, 2014, 07:24:11 PM
The RIT, UR split isn't surprising...Bard hanging with Union is rather shocking.  Wow is all I can say to that.  Good for Bard...maybe this isn't an automatic sweep for opponents.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: airball55 on March 29, 2014, 09:37:28 PM
My Yellowjacket friends...that turf is sweet at U of R...this should get you guys back in the picture for being a top two or three contender year in and year out.  If that facility doesn't draw more recruits, not a good thing for the program or the staff.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: reddragon00 on March 31, 2014, 12:41:10 PM
Leagues across the state reeling right now!  airball...Good point on the turf but UR staff and recruiting in good shape.  Whole team is back next year along with another stellar class.  Problem with both RPI and UR, cost is $64k/year and they don't match up well in aid with other LL schools.  Always be an issue with both schools.  RPI seems to win in the aid battle.

Big question is, how does this weather play for that magical 30 win mark.  I think it's gonna impact it big time.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: baseballislife on March 31, 2014, 08:10:30 PM
I agree on the 30 win plateau.  Some teams might end up lucky to play that many.  Even UR's field couldn't survive the snow dumped on it Saturday night, but with much of it melting in the 48 degree sunshine today and temps expected in the 60's tomorrow, they do expect to play a DH there on Wednesday.  Not bad considering some teams have had 10 or more games postponed in March alone.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: airball55 on April 01, 2014, 12:05:28 AM
Vassar, Clarkson, St. Lawrence, Union, Skidmore, etc. etc...all the privates have those high school costs.  Rochester is very good in hoops, other sports, baseball has well...been average.  they had a cecent run a couple of years back but just can't seem to crack the tournament jinx.  Maybe the turf will help.  Returners aren't always a guarantee that the next year's team will be good.  I just thought they did a great job with that facility and now there may be a bit more pressure to get some more in the left column.  As for the weather, let's hope that all the teams can pitch well enough to play 5-7 games in spans of three to five days.  That's what it may take.  30 wins?  Cortland and St. John Fisher...maybe RPI if they can put up a big conference record.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: AlleyCat on April 01, 2014, 09:04:55 AM
I'd be surprised if any LL team can get to 30 wins. They will be playing 10 league games in 7 days. That's if they play all the games. The league rules state that they only have to play 2 of the 4 if they are make ups. Stupid rule if you ask me. No other sport in the LL can play half a season and still be eligible for the playoffs. Hopefully the coaches will man up and make sure all the league games are played instead of making sure the non-leaguers are played to get their win total up. Some of the teams want to play while others are just trying to find a way into the playoff. Happened a few years ago when teams decided to only play 2 even though they are 30 minutes away.

Come on coaches PLAY THE GAMES!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: AlleyCat on April 01, 2014, 09:05:39 AM
SUNYAC's always find a way to play the league games!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: Big Louie on April 01, 2014, 10:27:31 AM
Liberty League format is a joke. They really need to get things figured out here with the scheduling. Four game series seems a little too much with as many teams as they have in the league. They really should probably go back to the 2 game series where everyone plays each other, but then again that creates a ton of non-league games to be schedule.

It doesn't seem right that several teams won't see each other at all and some coaches are not taking initiative to reschedule their make-ups trying to find anyway in the field. If that's the case just have an expanded conference tournament.

Again, theres a lot of things they can do but the format they have in place right now makes no sense at all and doesn't allow for the best competitive balance across the board. Too many ways to manipulate things in ones favor in the current setup. 
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: AlleyCat on April 01, 2014, 11:44:46 AM
Totally agree with you. That's why I posted the information. :)
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: airball55 on April 01, 2014, 12:52:38 PM
I think the reason the schedule is what it is, is because this is the best way to play games.  These Universities are very strict on class time.  Now, when the ole hoops teams leave a couple of days early to play in region games, well..i will let you run with that.  But, it's very hard in baseball because games are played in the daytime and classes get missed.  So, the coaches have more hurdles.  It is not entirely up to them.  As far as 30 wins, not gonna happen.  When you play 7 teams four times, that's 28.  Most teams play, lets average out to 8 games in Florida.  Now you are down to 4 non league games.  So four games in two days up north.  8 games in as little as 5 days down south, no one has that kind of pitching.  It is so hard for these programs.  It is not like, say, Cortland, where they play a ton of single nine inning games, spread out on Tues., Wed. etc...it's just apples and oranges.  Can't blame not playing on coaches, hell, most fields here are still under snow.  That's why Rochester has such an advantage now with that facility. Just my two cents.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BBFan62 on April 01, 2014, 04:26:22 PM
Quote from: airball55 on April 01, 2014, 12:52:38 PM
I think the reason the schedule is what it is, is because this is the best way to play games.  These Universities are very strict on class time.  Now, when the ole hoops teams leave a couple of days early to play in region games, well..i will let you run with that.  But, it's very hard in baseball because games are played in the daytime and classes get missed.  So, the coaches have more hurdles.  It is not entirely up to them.  As far as 30 wins, not gonna happen.  When you play 7 teams four times, that's 28.  Most teams play, lets average out to 8 games in Florida.  Now you are down to 4 non league games.  So four games in two days up north.  8 games in as little as 5 days down south, no one has that kind of pitching.  It is so hard for these programs.  It is not like, say, Cortland, where they play a ton of single nine inning games, spread out on Tues., Wed. etc...it's just apples and oranges.  Can't blame not playing on coaches, hell, most fields here are still under snow.  That's why Rochester has such an advantage now with that facility. Just my two cents.
airball55, et a;,
Ahhhh, I miss the season and the postings, etc. Such is the life for a parent of a graduated senior. Oh well, the sun is still shining, but perhaps not as brightly.
I agree with the past few posts. UR is expensive., as are several scools. My son (2013) was lucky enough to get a bit over 50% and wasd fortunate enough to play on the last really good UR team. The past 3 seasons were indeed brutal. However, the field is in fantastic shape and I believe it will help. But, beyond expense is the academic level required to succeed at UR. It is a challenge. However I have a feeling many of the other schools are the same but I do not know. I can only speak of the academicsa at UR and the difficulty of getting in.
I do know UR lost a few good players they counted on, mainly because the students did not get in, and a couple chose to go elsewhere.
IMO, starting next year UR will be back towards the top, IF the next incoming class is as good as the current Sophomore class. I don't know anything about the freshman clss, so I cannot rate them. Last year was tough because UR had a Freshman starter at several positions. UR had great pitching and had a tough defense but they just did not hit. Too many low run (or no runs) games. It was a big learning experience. There are some good senior and junior players, but the sophomore class reminds me of some of the players recruited a few years ago.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: airball55 on April 01, 2014, 06:22:44 PM
This is a very demanding conference academically.  I think you could argue, THE toughest nationwide.  The NESCAC may want to challenge that statement, but, liberal arts versus technological based, business based and medical based fields from an undergraduate standpoint is just not the same.  Clarkson, Union, Rochester, RPI...lots of engineers on those teams.  Vassar is a national recognized school academically and St. Law and Skidmore are very good liberal arts schools.  I know absolutely nothing about Bard, but, if i had to guess, the conference took them because of their academic similarities.  One can argue for days on what school is better, they are all good.  Rochester with the facility and location (rochester is a good baseball city) should be in the top four in that league.  St. Lawrence and Clarkson have it the toughest geographically but are traditionally among the top three.  I think those staffs do a wonderful job getting their programs as competitive as they are simply because they don't have a major city to draw players from close by.  At least at Union you have Albany, Rochester, Rochester and so on.  i will grant you this, Rochester in the scheme of things locally is probably a third or fourth choice behind Fisher, Bport and maybe even Monroe.  All schools have their advantages and disadvantages.  I think personally U or R has more things going in their favor...$60,000g is 60000g and their no debating that hurdle.  I bet your kid is successful though, at the end of the day, a degree from any of these schools is a HUGE advantage.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: AlleyCat on April 02, 2014, 11:37:07 AM
Skidmore and Vassar up to the old tricks again only playing a single game today instead of the DH. Until someone in the league mandates that they play the games, this league is a total joke and the coaches scheduling single league games instead of DH should be absolutely ashamed of themselves. The student athletes want to play! Let them decide it on the field. Both of these schools are close enough to play all 4 of the games. I imagine they don't want to extend their pitching. Too bad, play the games! Also, RIT and Rochester are playing a single, but hopefully they will make up that 4th game. Clarkson is at RPI to play 2 today like they're supposed to. Good job Coach Kane and Steffen.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: baseballislife on April 02, 2014, 12:51:44 PM
Correction on the UR/Rit single game, AlleyCat.  They were scheduled for a DH today at 4pm and 6:30pm since the UR field has lights.  Unfortunately, Rochester got socked with so much snow Saturday night that there remains some on the field and they have had to postpone yet again.

UR has been bumping non-conference games in an effort to play all of their LL slate.  SJ Fisher was moved from today to make room for the RIT DH and now UR appears to by postponing (cancelling?) their trip to Cortland next Wednesday to play the RIT DH then.

Looks like UR's next games are @RPI this weekend.  It would be nice to actually play a four game set without changes.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: AlleyCat on April 02, 2014, 12:58:33 PM
Thanks for the update. What do you think about the Vassar/Skidmore situation
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: baseballislife on April 02, 2014, 05:00:43 PM
I agree with you.  Every team should be making every effort to get all their league games as a priority.  It is part of the responsibility of belonging to a league with an automatic bid.

In a perfect world, they would play every game.  But these teams play baseball in the New York region in March and April.  Upstate NY gets the most snowfall (re: lousy, late springs) of any region in the country.  Choices have to be made, but league play should come first.

The real answer that will never happen......move baseball to the FALL when the weather can be very good into October!  Season from late August - late October.  Of course, Appleton might not be very nice in November......never mind, haha!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: AlleyCat on April 03, 2014, 07:55:13 AM
The move to the fall will never happen. If you look at the SUNYAC conference they always get their league games in. In no other conference in the nation can you play half your games and have it considered to be ok and make the playoffs on your winning percentage. It was 60 degrees yesterday and the Skidmore/Vassar decided to play 1, yes one game. If I were a student athlete on those teams and a parent of them I would be outraged. With all the cancellations due to the weather when they get the chance to play, to only play one because the coaches don't want to extend their pitching is unacceptable. Coaches, play the games! That is what the student athletes want to do. The commish needs to step in and mandate that the league games are played. If you don't have pitching depth, go recruit!

Looks like Clarkson and RPI had a couple of good ones. I heard that the centerfielder for RPI in game 1 lost the ball in the sun in the 8th to score all three runs. Anyone there to confirm?

Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: John McGraw on April 03, 2014, 06:51:36 PM
Even if the schools are close, it's hard to justify the missed class time for a mid-week doubleheader. If you play two on a weekday, you're looking at probably a 1:00 - 2:00 PM start at the latest so that both games can be played; depending on if you're playing two seven-inning games or two nines. Remember, neither field has lights.

Not saying that playing just two games instead of four is right, just saying that there are different variables at play here.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: airball55 on April 03, 2014, 11:03:42 PM
And, one of those variables is pitching depth.  Let's be honest. Some of these teams have no interest stacking games during the week if that means they can't use their top guys on the weekend.  The number of teams that can go 8-10 deep on the staff with quality is 2 maybe three, and that counts the whole region.  Add class, costs...no one want to pay for a bus, get to the other facility and not play..it can be a perfect storm.  I agree with Dr. McGraw...lots of variables.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: AlleyCat on April 04, 2014, 09:28:19 AM
I understand those points, but league regulations say if you play a makeup in the middle of the week, it must be a DH. pitching depth is why they choose not to play 2, not missed class time. Put in on the line and let the student athletes decide the league, not coaches trying to play the system.

At least Skidmore decided to play 2 against RPI yesterday.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: LLbaseball on April 04, 2014, 09:55:16 AM
McGraw is right....
Classes, costs, etc. all play a factor in these decisions.  On the other hand, Skidmore has a bye week this week and Vassar has four with Clarkson.  Next week it's vice versa.  I think it's MORE fair the way they did it, in the long run.  Also, what about Bard/Union????   Same distance to travel and they only played 2 games, with no make up scheduled. Let the coaches/administrators do the scheduling.  They all do the best they can in this league.  We should be supporters, not critics.  This is what they do for a living.....

Alleycat must be pulling for Rochester.... But I remember in the past when Rochester hasn't played up to 6 league games due to cancellations.  Obviously they can now with turf, but it wasn't that way in the past.  5-10 is a solid start for the jackets.  Keep it up.  Haha
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: airball55 on April 05, 2014, 07:19:35 PM
Jackets get sweep at RPI today.  And, if the RPI pitching isn't rolling over for tomorrow, then, it could be the same.  RPI uses two best against Clarkson earlier in week...Rochester doesn't play and voila!! el sweepo.  Good for Jackets who, if, they can at least get one tomorrow makes it a season changing weekend.  Clarkson split at Vassar.  So, the league can get a bit more muddled, RIT gets three against Bard who is now a series that you almost have to sweep to have a shot at the conference tournament.  Tomorrow's games will be interesting.  Advantage to U of R and Vassar against RPI and Clarkson who played each other on Thursday...at least those teams played.  Not sure why U of R couldn't play RIT earlier in week on turf. Regardless, it becomes a huge advantage for those two teams against IMHO the top two in the league.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: baseballislife on April 05, 2014, 08:53:32 PM
UR-RIT could not have been played at all until yesterday since Rochester got nearly a foot of snow last Sunday.  Although it melted relatively quickly in 5 days, there was still snow covering the entire field until Thursday evening.  RIT played Bard on Friday, so no room to do it then.

While RPI was clearly deep into their pitching staff, the bigger story today was the continued dominance of UR sophomore Dan Warren.  He only allowed two hits to a usually potent RPI offense.  He has not allowed a run in two complete LL starts and has yet to allow an ER in 24 innings this year.  RPI pitching had nothing to do with that.  Sophomore Matt Todd continues to emerge at the plate, as well.

UR built a 9-4 lead in game 2, but then had to hold on for the 10-8 win.  RPI showed some late heart, so good for them.  I figured getting 2 on the weekend would be a good road result for this young UR team.  Now they have a chance to get more. 

Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: airball55 on April 05, 2014, 09:34:53 PM
Lots of similarities with U or R and St. Law.  It appears they have a horse at the top of the rotation.  Is that enough??  Tomorrow is a big day for the Jackets...a three out of four would be great and RPI doesn't have their one or two.  They played games at Houghton earlier in the week, not sure if the weather was that much different from Rochester to Buffalo.  Anyway, a nice advantage to have.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: baseballislife on April 06, 2014, 11:17:30 PM
UR continued their strong weekend taking game 3 @ RPI, 14-2, while banging out 16 more hits.  As I understand it, the RPI SP was their #2 and was coming back on short rest, having pitched last Wednesday.  RPI senior Sean Conroy (#1) also comes back on short rest and pitches a very strong 9 inning complete game and salvaging the final game to avoid the four game sweep.

Vassar and Clarkson each take two, splitting the weekend.  Union takes 2 of 3 from SLU and RIT takes 3 from Bard.  Neither of those series' got to play the fourth game due to field availability issues.

Several league games being made up during the week this week:

Tues - Skidmore @ RPI (2)
Wed. - RIT @ UR (2)
           Vassar @ Skidmore (1)

RIT and Union off to an early lead in the standings.  Skidmore and Bard are winless.  The other 5 teams are all jumbled up around the .500 mark.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: airball55 on April 08, 2014, 08:45:47 PM
RPI came back with their number two today, Jensen to get Skidmore.  Kudos to RPI, Clarkson, Skidmore for getting games in and doing it without holding guys to do it.  RPI will eventually be in the best situation..not having to make up a ton of games at the end of the year and rested for the conference tournament.  They went  Wed, Thursday, Sat., Sun, and today for 10 games, all conference.  That's a tough run on any staff.  Union had a nice out of conference win against MCLA.  Jackets have Keuka in a DH today...should be able to get two from them.  League is a logjam, Union, RPI in good shape, RIT is 4-1 in league but they played their Bard series.  Not all teams play each other this season so there is some schedule advantages.  Big series up north this weekend (weather permitting) St. Law and Clarkson.  A three out of four in that series would go a long way for one of those teams.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: baseballislife on April 08, 2014, 10:33:00 PM
Good points, Airball.  UR vs. RIT in a twilight DH tomorrow also could have big ramifications down the road.  Teams split the first two a week and a half ago.  UR took Keuka 5-2 in a single 9 inning game tonight.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: baseballislife on April 10, 2014, 07:57:07 AM
UR split again with RIT last night to split the series 2-2.  Four very close games between two evenly matched teams.

In game 1, Dan Warren #1 came back on three days rest to pitch a solid game.  He finally allowed an ER and has allowed 2 in 29+ innings.  The story of this game was the missed opportunities by RIT.  Two runners thrown out at the plate for would-be winning runs, many others LOB - UR gets the win in 9th inning of the scheduled 7 inning game.  3-2 final.

In game 2, UR defensive lapses allowed RIT three unearned runs in the 4-3 RIT victory.  UR comes back in last inning and the tying run crosses home plate as UR runner is out at first on a bang-bang play - game over.  You can't win games playing poor defense.

UR 6-6 with remaining series against Bard, Vassar, Skidmore.  They have played SLU, RPI, RIT.
RIT 5-2 with remaining series against Skidmore, SLU, Clarkson, Union.  They have played UR, Bard.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: airball55 on April 10, 2014, 09:21:21 AM
UR schedule is set up perfect.  The league seems to be wide open at this point.  It certainly does not have a Cortland or St. John Fisher team so looking at the Jacket schedule, they could easily make a run for the top and that would make a few posters here very happy!  Union and RPI hook up this weekend, that series will also go a long way in determining top spot.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: baseballislife on April 14, 2014, 09:26:14 AM
Good weekend for Union, RIT, SLU, and UR.  RPI and Clarkson need to turn it around right away or they will likely be out.  Very nice non-conference win for Vassar over Cortland, as well.  Things are moving quickly now that games are getting played - big DH tomorrow between SLU and Vassar.  Current standings by winning %:

Union         6-2-1     .750
RIT                8-3     .727
Vassar           4-2     .667
SLU               7-4     .636
UR               10-6     .625
RPI                7-7     .500
Clarkson       4-6      .400
Skidmore      1-9      .100
Bard          0-8-1      .000

Big series between RIT and SLU this weekend, scheduled in Canton.  Anyone know if their field is getting close to being ready?  Also a big series between Vassar and UR in Rochester.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: airball55 on April 14, 2014, 03:04:26 PM
I still like Clarkson's chances because they have RIT, Bard and Skidmore left.  Union to me is now the clear cut favorite in a very balanced league.  There does not seem to be an elite team.  RPI has come back to the pack but gets Bard next weekend.  Rochester sitting pretty good too, getting Vassar at home and the Skidmore.  The team that I don't know about is RIT.  They have St. Law., Union and Clarkson left..they get the benefit of no RPI this season.  Their schedule has been very weak, no real standout win on the schedule.  Hard to say..I am going to take a run at this.

Originally, I had RPI, Union, Clarkson and St. Law.  I think U of R gets in now.  The schedule is in their favor and that weekend against RPI was big for them.  So:
Union, RPI (barely), U of R, and....either St. Law, or Clarkson.  I think the Knights get right back into it with 12 left against Bard, Skidmore and RIT (who I still don't believe in).  After this weekend, the Saints have the inner position and all of their games left are at home.  This is tough!!  St. Lawrence I guess, but, subject to change..lol.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: baseballislife on April 15, 2014, 09:44:44 AM
You're right, this is tough.  The wildcard in this is it looks like only UR will play all of its league games this year.  I agree on Union looking like the team to beat.  I see them in first place again and hosting the tournament.  Of course, it has been many years since the host has won the tourney, so I'm not sure that bodes well for them, haha.

My originals were Union, RPI, UR, and Clarkson.  I am starting to think Vassar is stronger than I thought, but it is hard to tell since they have only played 6 league games.  Big series at UR this weekend. 

RIT is stronger than they have been, but they will need to prove themselves over the next three weeks to get in.  I see them going 5-7 and missing the play-offs, but finishing over .500 at 13-10.

My revised four are Union, UR, Vassar, and.....in a tie for fourth, RPI or Clarkson.  I think they could both by 13-9 and having split the only two they have played, they may have to find a way to play the other DH to see if one of them can sweep the other and get in at 15-9.  In that scenario, I'm going with RPI as the fourth.

The picture should be clearer by this Sunday.  Lots of parity in the LL!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BBFan62 on April 16, 2014, 06:33:52 PM
Quote from: baseballislife on April 15, 2014, 09:44:44 AM
You're right, this is tough.  The wildcard in this is it looks like only UR will play all of its league games this year.  I agree on Union looking like the team to beat.  I see them in first place again and hosting the tournament.  Of course, it has been many years since the host has won the tourney, so I'm not sure that bodes well for them, haha.

My originals were Union, RPI, UR, and Clarkson.  I am starting to think Vassar is stronger than I thought, but it is hard to tell since they have only played 6 league games.  Big series at UR this weekend. 

RIT is stronger than they have been, but they will need to prove themselves over the next three weeks to get in.  I see them going 5-7 and missing the play-offs, but finishing over .500 at 13-10.

My revised four are Union, UR, Vassar, and.....in a tie for fourth, RPI or Clarkson.  I think they could both by 13-9 and having split the only two they have played, they may have to find a way to play the other DH to see if one of them can sweep the other and get in at 15-9.  In that scenario, I'm going with RPI as the fourth.

The picture should be clearer by this Sunday.  Lots of parity in the LL!

Go Jackets! I stated it last year and I'll restate it this year - these kids can play! The Freshmen class was the best class overall since the 2010 Freshmen; all they needed was a year under their belt. Last year hitting was a problem, but 5 or 6 started. It's paying off, as the team seems to be putting it together. I am hopeful they make it this year, as we still know a few classes. But by next year the jackets should be on top.
You knew Dan Warren was a player as were a few others. Now combined wth the Seniors and Juniors they're making their move. I just checked on the Ithaca game and the jackets had a 2 hit shutout going. Don't know how it will end, but we're there (in spirit) rooting.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: baseballislife on April 16, 2014, 09:47:02 PM
Impressive 6-0 shut-out win over #25 Ithaca tonight.  UR hit as the visitor in this 9 inning tilt, as this was originally scheduled yesterday in Ithaca.  Game was moved to UR to take advantage of the turf field and get the game in.

Final line: UR 6 Runs, 8 Hits, 0 Errors
               IC  0 Runs, 4 Hits, 1 Error

UR has had IC's number of late, winning the last four times over five years (did not play in 2011).  UR staff pitches their 5th shut-out in last 17 games and lowers their ERA to 3.28. 
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: airball55 on April 16, 2014, 10:21:20 PM
Ithaca does not hit good enough to get by games like this without their top pitchers.  I am not surprised by this at all.  Very surprised to see Warren for two innings, but, hey, mid week work.  Ithaca won't throw anyone with four gamer on Friday and Saturday against Fisher.  And, I saw Ithaca earlier this year against Oneonta, they don't hit.  Not shocking tonight.  If the Jackets can stay hot with Vassar and Skidmore coming up, they could host.  But, they need Union to falter some.  The LL is wide open, no real favorite after Union and I still think they can be beat.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: baseballislife on April 16, 2014, 10:38:42 PM
I am sure that the reason Warren only went the first two innings is the same reason IC didn't throw their top pitchers - they need him this weekend.  It's the same for both teams since they both have  important league games coming up.

UR likes to throw by committee on these Wednesday games and treat them like bullpens, which they would throw in practice anyway. Seven pitchers with nobody throwing more than 15-20 pitches got the job done and they all remain available for the weekend.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: airball55 on April 17, 2014, 07:47:02 PM
Of course.  My point was more that they won't be able to use Warren on Friday, they will use him Saturday.  If teams want to make a run in regionals, these mid week games are good assessments as to who has the necessary pitching depth.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: baseballislife on April 17, 2014, 09:47:05 PM
Agreed.  The play-offs will be upon us very soon.  Should be an interesting weekend!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: baseballislife on April 18, 2014, 06:56:43 PM
Union takes two from Skidmore today to solidify their hold on first place.

RIT and SLU split up in Canton with RIT getting 4-0 shut-out in game one, beating SLU ace Riley.  SLU wins game 2 going away to remain 1 game back of RIT.

Similar story in Rochester as Vassar freshman pitcher wins duel over UR ace Warren, 2-0.  Solid outing by Warren, but Erkis shuts down UR bats.  Late rally in 7th quashed when UR runner gets picked off 2nd with first and second and no outs.

UR comes back in nightcap and overwhelms Vassar 14-0.  Schulman and Crean combine to put up UR's 6th team shut-out.  UR pitchers hold Vassar bats to 10 hits and 2 runs in the two games.

No change in the standings today, but things get even tighter percentage-wise.  Big day tomorrow if anyone can sweep the day.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: baseballislife on April 20, 2014, 08:50:28 PM
Good weekend for UR, Union, and Clarkson.  SLU and RIT split with 2 each, which is what I expected.  RIT is dangerous, but I noticed their big hitter, Roman, did not play games 2, 3, or 4.  Does anyone know if he got hurt or what the deal is with that?  If he is out, that will be a serious blow to them.  They lost 2 of 3 without him and I would expect more trouble with their upcoming schedule if he is going to be out.

Union took 3 of 4 from Skidmore and Clarkson took care of business against Bard in getting all 4.

UR rallied for three wins over Vassar after dropping the opener, 2-0.  They had a nice run of only allowing 2 ER's over 44 innings over the last week and have lowered their staff ERA to 3.04.  After a 3-9 start, their 15-4 run has them in the thick of things.  Here is what is left in the final two weeks:

Union            9-3-1      .731     (Vassar, RIT at home)
RIT                 10-5      .667     (Clarkson at home, @ Union)
UR                  13-7      .650     (@ Skidmore)
SLU                  9-6      .600     (@ Vassar for 2, RPI at home)
Clarkson           8-6      .571     (@ RIT, Skidmore at home)
RPI                   7-7      .500     (Bard, @ SLU)
Vassar              5-5      .500     (SLU at home for 2, Union, Bard)
Skidmore        2-12      .143     (UR at home, @ Clarkson)
Bard            0-12-1      .038     (RPI, Vassar)

I still like Union to host, but if they stumble, UR could very well surpass them if they can win their series in Saratoga next weekend. 
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: baseballislife on April 22, 2014, 03:59:01 PM
Vassar (7-5 league) vaults to 4th place and SLU (9-8 league) drops to 6th after a DH sweep by Vassar today.  The freshman Erkis from Vassar beats SLU ace Riley, settling in after a rough first inning.  He has beaten Warren and Riley within four days of each other and is 5-0. 

SLU is in trouble with only a series with RPI left to play, unless they are able to make up the other games.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: baseballislife on April 22, 2014, 10:44:16 PM
UR (19-13) overcame a slow start tonight to beat another hot team, Brockport (19-11), with a bottom of the ninth three-run walk-off HR by sophomore Lance Hamilton.  Down 7-0 in the 5th inning, 'Jackets rally with 5 in the fifth, 1 in the 6th, and three in the 9th on the walk-off HR to win 9-8.  Hamilton had 5 RBI on the night.

RPI (17-10) gets easy win @ Williams, Mass. (8-13), 15-3.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BBFan62 on April 28, 2014, 02:20:25 PM
Quote from: baseballislife on April 22, 2014, 10:44:16 PM
UR (19-13) overcame a slow start tonight to beat another hot team, Brockport (19-11), with a bottom of the ninth three-run walk-off HR by sophomore Lance Hamilton.  Down 7-0 in the 5th inning, 'Jackets rally with 5 in the fifth, 1 in the 6th, and three in the 9th on the walk-off HR to win 9-8.  Hamilton had 5 RBI on the night.

RPI (17-10) gets easy win @ Williams, Mass. (8-13), 15-3.
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Congratulations UR Yellowjackets! What a nice finish to the regular season, with just a non-con game to go! The jackets clinched a playoff spot and could end up the league champ, depending upon the RIT/Union series. Union must take 3 games or else UR takes the crown. If Clarkson grabs 3 from Skidmore then Clarkson shares a .667 win percentage. The jackets are 16-8, Clarkson would be 14-7. I'm not sure how that shakes out. Hats off to the YJ's, they're a year ahead of what I thought they would be.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: baseballislife on April 28, 2014, 08:53:54 PM
A good weekend for RPI, UR, and Clarkson with series wins.  Vassar taking two from Union rather easily yesterday saved their season and kept the regular season top spot a wide open race.  The Vassar 1-2 pitchers sweeping SLU last Tuesday and Union yesterday was critical, but do they have the depth?

UR has completed all 24 of their league games (thank you, new field), have clinched a spot, and can play scoreboard watching this weekend.  If I'm looking at things correctly, I think 5 teams still have a chance to host and six teams still have life for the three remaining  spots.

Thanks for the support, BBFan62, but we both know the real crown is the tournament championship!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: AlleyCat on April 29, 2014, 08:00:46 AM
This is going to be a crazy weekend in the LL. Only 2 schools eliminated from playoff contention. What really bothers me is team not trying to play the full league schedule. Hopefully those teams don't make it so their coaches realize they screwed their kids by not playing the games on the field. I would love to see some of these schools trying to sneak in by not playing get it in the end by pct. points. Vassar has a leg up on people coming into the weekend playing Bard. St Lawrence/RPI series will determine one spot, RIT/Union could determine who will be hosting and Clarkson/Skidmore will determine if Clarkson gets in.

Let's hope for good weather and all teams play all 4 games. Doubt that will happen knowing some of these coaches. They'll be watching to see if others will be playing to see how they can sneak in without playing. Sad state of affairs, but true. Rochester gets the gold star for putting it on the line and playing all 24 league contests. Glad they made it! Good job Yellowjackets
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: djm222ball on April 29, 2014, 08:54:04 AM
Not sure which teams you refer to when you say they are not trying to play

I know that every coach is trying to play their league games, there are academic issues, distance issues, cost issues and many other items to consider before implying that the coaches are trying to manipulate the schedule.

Union wanted to play Bard the final 2 games, forced to play only 3 vs. SLU because of neutral site field restrictions (played 3 vs. mandatory 2).
RPI killed their pitchers to get their league games in

I don't see any instance that supports your feeling, but obviously you are entitled to your opinion 
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: AlleyCat on April 29, 2014, 11:47:12 AM
Vassar and Skidmore playing single games mid week instead of DH's when the weather was terrific. League doesn't even allow for that. They made up their own rules to not extend pitching. Look at past years also. Same teams always trying to beat the system and not allow the kids to play. Do it on the field not in the offices.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: airball55 on April 29, 2014, 01:07:54 PM
I am with you DJ, no one does not try to play games.  Rochester has turf which is a nice advantage.  I think if we all go back in time, some teams didn't get to the max games for one reason or another.  Careful though, lots of yellowjackets here who will sting you!  LOL
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: AlleyCat on April 29, 2014, 02:57:46 PM
I would love to see the Jackets do something in the LL playoffs. Joe does a great job and the kids deserve a long stay in the playoffs.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: airball55 on April 29, 2014, 04:30:20 PM
Well, it certainly looks like their chance.  They have been under .500 the past three years and it seems the LL is a bit more open.  Union is still the team to beat, I saw RIT, not impressed at all.  I don't know about the Rochester Coaches but they should be good now with that facility and the city to draw from.  How about the job by the staffs at Vassar and Union?  I don't even think the Union gig is full time!!  And, Vassar was a door mat for years.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: djm222ball on April 29, 2014, 08:43:03 PM
The staffs at Union and Vassar have turned those 2 programs around.
Not one guy on the Union staff is full time but man are they a driven bunch! Vassar has worked very hard as well and brought in some very talented players.

Both programs are vastly improved and make the league better
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: baseballislife on April 29, 2014, 08:45:37 PM
No doubt that Vassar and Union have risen from perpetual cellar dwellers to respectability.  I remember seeing them play a few years ago and, not to be disrespectful, but the product was not good. Seven of the teams in the league are above .500 and there is a lot of balance and parity.  I think the disparity of talent is much less than a few years ago when there were 2-3 good teams and 3-4 weak teams that the upper tier could stack up wins on.

I see this weekend and the tournament week as wide open.  Several teams have at least one guy with shut down numbers on the hill.  I expect that the team that backs them up with the cleanest defense and does the little things will prevail and move on.  I also expect some 3-2 or 2-1 type games on the first couple of days when the pitching heavyweights take the hill and more scoring on Saturday.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: CookFedoShimkin on April 30, 2014, 01:37:24 PM
Does anyone know how the scheduling works in this league? How can a team in its second year be qualified to play in the league and not even record a single win. At least Skidmore is capable of maybe taking 1 from some opponent. These are the amount of games played against the bottom two horrible teams in the LL.

Union – 11-5-1 – 2 v Bard, 4 v Skidmore _____ 6 games
Rochester – 16-8 – 4 v Bard, 4 v Skidmore______ 8 games
RPI – 11-7 – 4 v Bard, 4 v Skidmore _____ 8 games
RIT – 11-7 – 3 v Bard, 4 v Skidmore______ 7 games
Clarkson – 10-7 – 4 v Bard, 4 v Skidmore (this weekend) ____ 8 games
Vassar – 9-7 – 4 v Bard (this weekend), 2 v Skidmore ____ 6 games
St. Lawrence – 9-8 – 0 v Bard, 0 V Skidmore ____ 0 games


The standings are so skewed this year in the LL. Without Bard/Skidmore - Rochester and Clarkson are .500 teams at best. Union, Vassar, SLU, and RPI should be post season teams. SLU got unlucky with schedule. They could have used an easy 4 win weekend like those experienced by UR.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: baseballislife on April 30, 2014, 04:02:23 PM
Quote from: CookFedoShimkin on April 30, 2014, 01:37:24 PM
Does anyone know how the scheduling works in this league? How can a team in its second year be qualified to play in the league and not even record a single win. At least Skidmore is capable of maybe taking 1 from some opponent. These are the amount of games played against the bottom two horrible teams in the LL.

Union – 11-5-1 – 2 v Bard, 4 v Skidmore _____ 6 games
Rochester – 16-8 – 4 v Bard, 4 v Skidmore______ 8 games
RPI – 11-7 – 4 v Bard, 4 v Skidmore _____ 8 games
RIT – 11-7 – 3 v Bard, 4 v Skidmore______ 7 games
Clarkson – 10-7 – 4 v Bard, 4 v Skidmore (this weekend) ____ 8 games
Vassar – 9-7 – 4 v Bard (this weekend), 2 v Skidmore ____ 6 games
St. Lawrence – 9-8 – 0 v Bard, 0 V Skidmore ____ 0 games


The standings are so skewed this year in the LL. Without Bard/Skidmore - Rochester and Clarkson are .500 teams at best. Union, Vassar, SLU, and RPI should be post season teams. SLU got unlucky with schedule. They could have used an easy 4 win weekend like those experienced by UR.

Your argument does not hold water and here is why:

1.  Bard lost a total of six league games by 1 or 2 runs, so it was not like they were not competitive in any games.  That doesn't even include the game they tied against Union and Union needed a late unearned run to get the tie.  It also doesn't include the 8-3 win by RPI this past Sunday - a game that RPI trailed in until putting up a late big inning.  That program will be winning games before too long.

2.  Skidmore lost a total of five league games by 1 or 2 runs as well.  They were more competitive than their record.

3.  Every year there are teams at the top and teams at the bottom.  UR played every league game on their schedule and finished with a .667 winning percentage, plus have quality out of conference wins.  They took 3 of 4 from both RPI and Vassar - both teams you say should be there in front of UR.  That makes no sense.

4.  SLU took 3 of 4 from UR and Clarkson, so I am guessing that is what you are basing your .500 assessment on them on.  Four of those six wins by SLU were by one run, so it wasn't like they were that dominant.  Both of those series could easily have been split or gone 3-1 in the other direction.  If SLU had taken care of business against Vassar (0-2), Union (1-2), and RIT (2-2), they wouldn't be in the 9-8 position they are in.  Between the games they won't get to play (two vs. Vassar, one against Union) and the RPI series this weekend (I see a 2-2 split), I think SLU would probably finish at 12-12.  There is your real .500 team.

The only point you could make that I agree with would be that with the new format it is indeed unfortunate that every team does not play every team each year.  Teams that don't get to play the bottom team(s) will always be at a disadvantage.  Let's put it this way, if you want to be the best, you have beat the best teams in the regular season and in the play-offs.  If you are not good enough to play a tough schedule and win then you are probably not ready to be Champions anyway. Just sounds like sour grapes.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: airball55 on April 30, 2014, 09:23:45 PM
I can see why Cook is right.  Unbalanced schedules lead to teams having slightly easier roads.  Syracuse only played Virginia once in hoops this year, advantage for them for instance.  With a four game schedule, and, so many teams, there was no way to keep the schedule balanced.  Some years it's in your favor, some year's it's not.  It also matters whether you play certain teams at home or on the road.  St. Law, most certainly drew the short end on the schedule.  But, a win is a win, so calling those teams .500 isn't necessarily fair, all leagues have weaker teams and you have to hold serve against them.  Good points though
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: baseballislife on May 01, 2014, 07:02:26 PM
Good win by SLU today over Ithaca, 5-3.  Good for the Liberty League.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: baseballislife on May 03, 2014, 12:41:17 PM
The play-offs effectively start today for the LL.  Six teams alive for the three remaining berths in the tournament.  Home field still up for grabs and too many scenarios to effectively predict.  Riley vs. Conroy pitching match-up in Canton is predictably off to a 0-0 start in the 4th inning of 7 inning tilt.  Who will blink?
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: baseballislife on May 04, 2014, 08:43:36 PM
Quote from: baseballislife on April 15, 2014, 09:44:44 AM
You're right, this is tough.  The wildcard in this is it looks like only UR will play all of its league games this year.  I agree on Union looking like the team to beat.  I see them in first place again and hosting the tournament.  Of course, it has been many years since the host has won the tourney, so I'm not sure that bodes well for them, haha.

My originals were Union, RPI, UR, and Clarkson.  I am starting to think Vassar is stronger than I thought, but it is hard to tell since they have only played 6 league games.  Big series at UR this weekend. 

RIT is stronger than they have been, but they will need to prove themselves over the next three weeks to get in.  I see them going 5-7 and missing the play-offs, but finishing over .500 at 13-10.

My revised four are Union, UR, Vassar, and.....in a tie for fourth, RPI or Clarkson.  I think they could both by 13-9 and having split the only two they have played, they may have to find a way to play the other DH to see if one of them can sweep the other and get in at 15-9.  In that scenario, I'm going with RPI as the fourth.

The picture should be clearer by this Sunday.  Lots of parity in the LL!

So things have sorted themselves out in the LL and the four teams making the tournament are:

1.  Union       14-6-1
2.  Rochester 16-8
3.  Clarkson   14-7
4.  Vassar      13-7

I know that Union hosted last year and the games were played @ Siena College.  Does anyone know if that is the plan again?  The forecast looks rainy, so hopefully they can find a place with good drainage if they don't play on their home field.  Home advantage aside, they had a better chance of playing all the games at UR with the turf and lights.  You just hope it gets settled on the field and not through a rain shortened tourney, as has happened in other years.

I believe that UR edges Clarkson for 2nd place based on a third tie-breaker, making them the home team in Game 1 on Thursday.  Same winning %, did not face each other, but UR took 3 of 4 from Vassar while Clarkson split - Vassar being the highest finishing common opponent.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: airball55 on May 05, 2014, 02:31:56 AM
I still can't get over the fact RPI can't make this conference tourney.  They really have dropped off some in the past couple of years.  I really thought RIT would back up, they drew well early.  My original picks were Union, RPI, Clarkson and St. Law.  Then, after the ole Jackets got hot, we made a slight adjustment.  St. Law really got hosed.  They didn't play Bard or Skidmore.  That's the team that has the best argument for being in and isn't.  That's what an unbalanced schedule will do and hey, they saved on mileage LOL.  I can't remember for the life of me the last time a conference team shut out it's opponents in four straight games...Clarkson did that at Skidmore this weekend. They outscored Skidmore 31-0...on the road!  I really like the winner of the CU,UR game to come out of the LL.  Nothing against Union, and, I am VERY worried of Rochester's past failures in the post season, but, these two teams appear the most dangerous to me.  Remember, Vassar blew out Union on day two of their series so they aren't particularly in awe of the Dutchmen. 
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: AlleyCat on May 05, 2014, 08:39:41 AM
Should be a good tourney, if they can play it. RPI struggled this year trying to get all the games in in a short time period really hurt them. Having to start 2 freshman against Rochester for their first collegiate starts against Roch #1 & 2 was not good. In the end they still had a chance but came out flat against St Lawrence and that cost them. Skidmore should be ashamed of themselves not even putting up a fight. HAS THAT EVER HAPPENED BEFORE IN LEAGUE HISTORY! Nice job Coach Plourde, really had the boys playing I see. Congrats to Union, Rochester, Clarkson and Vassar. May the best team win!

My Pick is going to be Rochester or Clarkson. It's Rochester's time
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: baseballislife on May 05, 2014, 04:41:18 PM
Some final thoughts on the five LL teams that did not make the cut - beginning at the bottom:

Bard - Although Bard clearly did not win enough games to earn the respect of some, they can go into the off-season knowing they didn't quit on their season.  Building a program from the ground up takes time and patience.  The first few classes accept the challenge knowing they likely won't win many games.  They put a scare into every league opponent they faced in at least one game each of those series, including all four play-off teams.  Yesterday they came back to tie Vassar in the 8th inning, only to see it slip away in the bottom of the inning. They only lose one guy to graduation and he was not a starter.  They will win some games next year.

Skidmore - This team seemed to quit on themselves down the stretch when it became clear they were not going to be in the post season.  But zero runs scored in a four game series??  That is pretty hard to do and I would be willing to bet it has not happened in LL history.  Clarkson's pitching staff is good, but they are not that good, lol.  The Thoroughbreds "checked out" early even though the final weekend was moved to their field due to poor conditions @ Clarkson. 

RIT - My opinion of RIT is they had their strongest team in years.  The biggest story for them, in my view, was the loss of Player-of-the-Year candidate Walt Roman through an injury in the SLU series.  They were 14-7 with him and 3-8 without him and I don't think that is a coincidence, so maybe that spoke to their depth a bit.  However, Humbert and Cohall were a solid 1-2 SP combination and will both be back.  Gorman and Barr are solid returnees as well.  I did not have them as a play-off team at any point, but they were better than past years and have made progress with their program.

SLU - A talented team with perhaps the best power hitters in the LL.  Losing Palmero and Riley to graduation will hurt.  The Saints definitely drew the short straw when it came to scheduling this year.  Of course, some teams will be in that situation every year under the current format.  You still have to find a way to win the games on your schedule and they seemed to lack the depth to break out of the .500 rut after a strong first weekend.  I believe the teams that made it are privately celebrating they don't have to see Riley anymore!

RPI - Hard team to figure.  Their season seemed to turn after dropping 3 of 4 to UR.  An 8-2 Florida trip had expectations high, but they went 3-7 against the play-off teams (did not play Vassar) and that doomed them in the end.  They did have two of the best players in the league in LeSuer and Conroy and hitting depth.  Lack of depth on the mound probably hurt the most.  They may not be the dominant team they were in the LL for so many years, but i believe part of that is because the league itself is more balanced than it used to be and teams tend to beat each other up.  I know some are rolling their eyes and pointing to Bard and Skidmore at the bottom, but 7 of the 9 teams were over .500 both in the league and overall.  A strong year for the LL!  See my final comment on SLU.....same goes for Conroy! 

Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: baseballislife on May 05, 2014, 09:56:47 PM
Breaking down the first day of the LL Post-Season Tournament.....

Clarkson (19-11) vs. Rochester (23-14)

Likely starters Jasek       (5-2)   2.39 ERA      49 IP  45 H  18 BB+HBP  45 K  .249  Opponents BA
                      Warren    (3-2)    1.25 ERA  43.1 IP  36 H   20 BB+HBP   35K  .226 Opponents BA

Team BA - Rochester  .304
                 Clarkson    .271

Opponents BA - Rochester .245
                        Clarkson    .255

Team ERA - Clarkson   2.71
                   Rochester 3.17

Errors per Game - Clarkson   1.33
                            Rochester  1.73

Successful Steals by opponent per game / caught stealing per game - Rochester 0.70 / 0.38
                                                                                                         Clarkson 0.90 / 0.37

Significant wins outside of LL and NY Region record - Rochester (21-8) - Case Western, Ithaca, Brockport
                                                                               Clarkson (17-10) - Brockport

NCAA Strength of Schedule Ranking (376 teams) - Rochester 119
                                                                             Clarkson   235

Vassar (18-12) vs. Union (22-9-1)

Likely starters Erkis       (7-0)   1.72 ERA      52.1 IP  36 H  16 BB+HBP  23 K  .191  Opponents BA
                      Fishman (6-0)    2.30 ERA        47 IP  38 H   21 BB+HBP   38K  .221 Opponents BA

Team BA - Union     .305
                 Vassar    .303

Opponents BA - Union      .267
                         Vassar    .269

Team ERA - Vassar   4.49
                   Union    4.46

Errors per Game - Union   1.63
                            Vassar  2.30

Successful Steals by opponent per game / caught stealing per game - Union    1.72 / 0.28
                                                                                                         Vassar  1.77 / 0.17

Significant wins outside of LL and NY Region record - Union (16-7-1) - None
                                                                               Vassar (16-10) - Cortland

NCAA Strength of Schedule Ranking (376 teams) - Vassar  132
                                                                             Union   274

                                             

Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: OldBallsHenry on May 05, 2014, 11:07:03 PM
Quote from: airball55 on May 05, 2014, 02:31:56 AM
I still can't get over the fact RPI can't make this conference tourney.  They really have dropped off some in the past couple of years.  I really thought RIT would back up, they drew well early.  My original picks were Union, RPI, Clarkson and St. Law.  Then, after the ole Jackets got hot, we made a slight adjustment.  St. Law really got hosed.  They didn't play Bard or Skidmore.  That's the team that has the best argument for being in and isn't.  That's what an unbalanced schedule will do and hey, they saved on mileage LOL.  I can't remember for the life of me the last time a conference team shut out it's opponents in four straight games...Clarkson did that at Skidmore this weekend. They outscored Skidmore 31-0...on the road!  I really like the winner of the CU,UR game to come out of the LL.  Nothing against Union, and, I am VERY worried of Rochester's past failures in the post season, but, these two teams appear the most dangerous to me.  Remember, Vassar blew out Union on day two of their series so they aren't particularly in awe of the Dutchmen. 

And Union blew out Vassar on day one of their series.  These two teams really haven't had a fair matchup yet.  Union threw their #1 and #2 on day one while Vassar threw their #3 and #4.  Vassar threw their  #1 and #2 on day two and Union threw their #3 and #4 so I wouldn't draw too much out of the prior results of their matchup. 
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: LLBaseball on May 07, 2014, 11:05:06 AM
I think the LL tournament is set up to be a great one, as long as the weather holds up.  Union and Vassar is always a good matchup and the Clarkson/Rochester series is anyone's game. 

I can't get over how Union/Vassar have come through to be forces in this league.  Both coaching staffs have done an outstanding job getting those programs back to a competitive level.  Vassar especially, has a very difficult recruiting scheme there and they have brought in some terrific players.  Coach Martin is a great coach and has worked very hard to get that program where it is.  Coach Mound has done the same at Union.  Great job all around.

Now, I'm only going to pick winners on the first day.  I pick the two underdogs.  Vassar wins a close game with one of those two freshmen on the mound and Clarkson wins with Jasek.  Rochester, I'm sorry to think, will go home in 2 games.  I just don't feel they are comfortable playing do-or-die baseball.  My tournament pick to win the title is Clarkson, with what they have gone through this year.

Anyone else?
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: LLleagueFAN on May 07, 2014, 12:02:46 PM
Quote from: LLBaseball on May 07, 2014, 11:05:06 AM
I think the LL tournament is set up to be a great one, as long as the weather holds up.  Union and Vassar is always a good matchup and the Clarkson/Rochester series is anyone's game. 

I can't get over how Union/Vassar have come through to be forces in this league.  Both coaching staffs have done an outstanding job getting those programs back to a competitive level.  Vassar especially, has a very difficult recruiting scheme there and they have brought in some terrific players.  Coach Martin is a great coach and has worked very hard to get that program where it is.  Coach Mound has done the same at Union.  Great job all around.

Now, I'm only going to pick winners on the first day.  I pick the two underdogs.  Vassar wins a close game with one of those two freshmen on the mound and Clarkson wins with Jasek.  Rochester, I'm sorry to think, will go home in 2 games.  I just don't feel they are comfortable playing do-or-die baseball.  My tournament pick to win the title is Clarkson, with what they have gone through this year.

Anyone else?

I have either Vassar or Union winning the tournament. Whoever wins the first game between them will be set up very nicely. I do not think that U of R or Clarkson can hang with those teams in tournament play.

Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: airball55 on May 07, 2014, 05:33:37 PM
I can't see Vassar yet.  Not enough pitching depth.  I think it would be a heck of a story though.  Clarkson comes into the tournament with a 2.61 (I think) ERA.  That's enough for me.  My bet is Clarkson, with Rochester and Union with great shots.  I have the Brewers 4th of the 4.  Should be a good tournament.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: LLleagueFAN on May 07, 2014, 10:59:09 PM
Quote from: airball55 on May 07, 2014, 05:33:37 PM
I can't see Vassar yet.  Not enough pitching depth.  I think it would be a heck of a story though.  Clarkson comes into the tournament with a 2.61 (I think) ERA.  That's enough for me.  My bet is Clarkson, with Rochester and Union with great shots.  I have the Brewers 4th of the 4.  Should be a good tournament.

Valid argument. Best of luck to all this weekend!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: CookFedoShimkin on May 08, 2014, 09:52:45 AM
Remarks on 2014 LL Tournament:

1st Games:
Union beats Vassar. - Fishmen (U) is tough on lefties. Vassar has a lefty heavy lineup.  Vassar freshman ace isn't that good.
Clarkson beats Rochester. - Clarkson can at least pitch a little. Rochester has nothing.

2nd Games:
Union  beats Clarkson - O'Neil is good enough to keep Clarkson bats at bay.
Vassar beats Rochester - based solely that Rochester is a joke program. UR out in 2 straight.

3rd games:
Vassar beats Clarkson - Both teams #3 pitches aren't anything special. Vassar can hit the ball around.

Finals:
Union beats Vassar - Not sure how this will go. Vassar could take the first one but ultimately Union wins.

That's what I think.

For what its worth, SLU should be in the playoffs. Only team not to play the two brutal last place teams who were 3-39-1 combined (every other team played both squads) and still came out with an above 500 record. SLU only had 2 bad loss all year (game 2 to Union & game 4 against Clarkson (after they already beat them 3 times and pitchers walked everybody )). every other loss were close games that could have went either way.
Every teams individual statistics (BA, ERA etc. ) are skewed based on playing the two crap teams so throw them out the window.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: OldBallsHenry on May 08, 2014, 10:32:28 AM
Yeah, Union played Bard and had three hits in each of their two games.  Boy, they really beefed up their batting avg. in those affairs.   
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: CookFedoShimkin on May 08, 2014, 10:59:40 AM
Union Pitchers era still reflect my original point by still beating them dispite only 3 hits. Call a spade a spade; bard allowed 254 runs this season and scored less than a third of that which skews teams stats.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: airball55 on May 08, 2014, 11:59:34 AM
Tell us how you really feel Shimkin!!  I love it. I can see your scenario.  I am not ready for a Vassar appearance in the final yet. Although I didn't write it as directly as you, your assessment on St. Law. is spot on.  Bare minimum, they would have gone 7-1 in 8 games against those teams. I thought adding Bard was wrong to start, and, still do. St. Law. not only would have been competitive, but, I think would have been the second choice.  I am still taking Clarkson over Union, but, this is a year where each team has a legit shot simply because no one really stands out. Beware, the Jackets supporters will be coming out in full force after your posts!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: LLleagueFAN on May 08, 2014, 12:01:03 PM
Quote from: CookFedoShimkin on May 08, 2014, 09:52:45 AM
Remarks on 2014 LL Tournament:

1st Games:
Union beats Vassar. - Fishmen (U) is tough on lefties. Vassar has a lefty heavy lineup.  Vassar freshman ace isn't that good.
Clarkson beats Rochester. - Clarkson can at least pitch a little. Rochester has nothing.

2nd Games:
Union  beats Clarkson - O'Neil is good enough to keep Clarkson bats at bay.
Vassar beats Rochester - based solely that Rochester is a joke program. UR out in 2 straight.

3rd games:
Vassar beats Clarkson - Both teams #3 pitches aren't anything special. Vassar can hit the ball around.

Finals:
Union beats Vassar - Not sure how this will go. Vassar could take the first one but ultimately Union wins.

That's what I think.

For what its worth, SLU should be in the playoffs. Only team not to play the two brutal last place teams who were 3-39-1 combined (every other team played both squads) and still came out with an above 500 record. SLU only had 2 bad loss all year (game 2 to Union & game 4 against Clarkson (after they already beat them 3 times and pitchers walked everybody )). every other loss were close games that could have went either way.
Every teams individual statistics (BA, ERA etc. ) are skewed based on playing the two crap teams so throw them out the window.

Not sure how you can say Vassar freshman is not that good when he went 7-0 with a sub-2 ERA.

I do see your point because SLU did beat two of the playoff teams pretty easily, taking 3 out of 4 against both U of R and CU. Not playing Skidmore or Bard really hurt them.

I still have the winner of game 1 between Union and Vassar taking the whole thing! Play ball!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: OldBallsHenry on May 08, 2014, 08:18:23 PM
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Shimkin, your point on the stats is valid but not in the case of Union.  Union outscored Bard 5-3 over the two games they played.  Those games hurt their team batting avg. and since they did not play four games, the team ERA wasn't impacted very much.   Had they played the other two games and shut them out, then you could make your case. 

As for the games today, Warren threw a gem and overmatched Clarkson.  Rochester did just enough with the bats to keep him comfortable.  In the second game, the matchup between the two top freshman pitchers went to Fishman.   He was clearly the better pitcher today with eight K's over eight innings and allowing only three hits to a good hitting Vassar squad.  Erkis was solid but not as dominant as Fishman.  Zaziski's defense got exposed at third base making two critical errors on sacrifice bunts.  A close game got out of hand late in Union's favor. 

Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: baseballislife on May 08, 2014, 10:08:07 PM
Warren bests Jasek in Game 1 and lowers his season ERA to 1.05 in leading Rochester (24-14) to the 5-2 win over Clarkson (19-12).  Pretty clean game with 1 E for each team.

Warren    8 IP 0 ER 1 R 2 H 4 K 3 BB
Jasek       8 IP 4 ER 5 R 7 H 8 K 2 BB 1 HBP

Good pitching duel in Game 2 until Union (23-9-1) broke it open late for the 8-1 win over Vassar (18-13).  Five Vassar errors did not help Erkis, but Fishman was better today.

Erkis         7.1 IP 3 ER 8 R 10 H 2 K 1 BB 1 HBP
Fishman      8 IP  1 ER 1 R   3H  8 K 2 BB

Should be two good match-ups tomorrow.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: AlleyCat on May 09, 2014, 12:22:16 PM
Vassar just dispatched Clarkson. I have Rochester taking out Union and Union taking down Vassar this evening.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: LLleagueFAN on May 09, 2014, 02:35:02 PM
I have a hard time seeing U of R beating last year's pitcher of the year.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: baseballislife on May 09, 2014, 04:32:05 PM
Rochester (25-14) takes down Union (23-10-1), 3-0, in a classic pitcher's dual.  O'Neil was good, but Schulman was better.  No hits for either team until the 7th inning.  Garry gets the big hits in the game for UR crushing a double to put Rochester up 2-0 and then tacking on another run in the ninth with a solid RBI single.  Janifer closes the door with his 9th save and has only allowed 1 ER in 19+ innings this year.  Another clean game with 1 E for UR and none for Union.

Schulman  7.2 IP  0 ER 0 R 2 H 6 K 3 BB 1 HBP
O'Neil           8 IP  2 ER 2 R 3 H 5 K 1 BB 1 HBP

The story of the tourney so far has been the Rochester pitching.  1 earned run and 5 hits allowed in 18 innings to this point.


Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: airball55 on May 09, 2014, 04:45:12 PM
The Jackets have it goin!  There is absolutely no offense though in this league.  Rochester to me is a team again, that should be in the mix every year with that facility and the Rochester area to recruit from.  This could be a big moment in that program's development.  Now that RPI has come back to the pack, I think we are seeing a major changing of the guard...and St. Lawrence is sitting at home wondering if they were the best team.  Good for Rochester though, they haven't won it yet obviously, but, they have been long overdue.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: LLleagueFAN on May 09, 2014, 05:58:59 PM
Quote from: airball55 on May 09, 2014, 04:45:12 PM
The Jackets have it goin!  There is absolutely no offense though in this league.  Rochester to me is a team again, that should be in the mix every year with that facility and the Rochester area to recruit from.  This could be a big moment in that program's development.  Now that RPI has come back to the pack, I think we are seeing a major changing of the guard...and St. Lawrence is sitting at home wondering if they were the best team.  Good for Rochester though, they haven't won it yet obviously, but, they have been long overdue.

St. Lawrence did beat U of R in that series so it would be normal for them to think they should be right there. Is the curse still in effect where the 1 seed just cannot get it done? I hope whoever wins represents the LL well in the next round, which is what the league needs to gain some much needed respect.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: airball55 on May 09, 2014, 07:42:07 PM
That's a great point about the next round.  The NY region is most definitely Cortland's, followed by Ithaca and most recently Fisher and then to a smaller extent Farmingdale. The LL has to deal with cost though more than maybe any other league...maybe in the country.  The costs to attend these schools is just mind boggling.  Most of them are now in the 60000+ area.  There are really solid staffs in this league, the northern duo of CU and ST. Law do great jobs to attract kids despite geographical disadvantages.  I know Skidmore struggled this year, but, they typically overachieve.  Not sure why RPI is backing up. This though is why you have a Union, with part time coaches, Vassar and Rochester now moving up.  UR has been up and down, seems to be a three to four year cycle.  Vassar, it's just amazing how they have gone from an automatic 4 game sweep to a conference contender.  It is just to expensive to attend these schools and kids who want the dual experience of academics and baseball, the real solid ones (D1 types) go to Cortland, Fisher, Ithaca, etc.  2013 RPI 2-2,  2012 Skidmore 0-2, 2011 Clarkson 1-2 2010 Skidmore 0-2....and on in the regionals.  The last team to beat one of the powerhouse teams (Cortland, Ithaca, and even Fisher) was Clarkson back in 09 coming back in that game from a 10-2 deficit against Cortland.  If UR advances, although they did beat Ithaca, or Union, I don't see them doing much damage in the regional.  Our LL teams just don't have the horses the others in the region or whoever the NCAA decides to ship in...and that's what $60000 a year will do.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BBFan62 on May 10, 2014, 08:41:46 AM
Quote from: airball55 on May 09, 2014, 07:42:07 PM
That's a great point about the next round.  The NY region is most definitely Cortland's, followed by Ithaca and most recently Fisher and then to a smaller extent Farmingdale. The LL has to deal with cost though more than maybe any other league...maybe in the country.  The costs to attend these schools is just mind boggling.  Most of them are now in the 60000+ area.  There are really solid staffs in this league, the northern duo of CU and ST. Law do great jobs to attract kids despite geographical disadvantages.  I know Skidmore struggled this year, but, they typically overachieve.  Not sure why RPI is backing up. This though is why you have a Union, with part time coaches, Vassar and Rochester now moving up.  UR has been up and down, seems to be a three to four year cycle.  Vassar, it's just amazing how they have gone from an automatic 4 game sweep to a conference contender.  It is just to expensive to attend these schools and kids who want the dual experience of academics and baseball, the real solid ones (D1 types) go to Cortland, Fisher, Ithaca, etc.  2013 RPI 2-2,  2012 Skidmore 0-2, 2011 Clarkson 1-2 2010 Skidmore 0-2....and on in the regionals.  The last team to beat one of the powerhouse teams (Cortland, Ithaca, and even Fisher) was Clarkson back in 09 coming back in that game from a 10-2 deficit against Cortland.  If UR advances, although they did beat Ithaca, or Union, I don't see them doing much damage in the regional.  Our LL teams just don't have the horses the others in the region or whoever the NCAA decides to ship in...and that's what $60000 a year will do.

I am not surprised by the success of Rochester, although I am surprised it happened this year. The Yellowjackets will surprise some people in the Regionals. Their Sophomore class is a very strong gorup. It appears the Freshmen are also solid, but I have not had the enjoyment of watching any games, so i can only go by what I see on the results pages and from the ga,es I "watched" on live stats.
I am not sure what to make of the league this year. Yes, Bard and Skidmore helped teams pad their stats, but I told my son (UR grad from last season) that the Jackets were going to win, once I saw the 4 teams. Clarkson may have a strong staff, but like UR last year, they can't hit.Rochester batted .304 this year (versus .268 last year), while Clarkson only hit .271. It is the year of the Jackets!

Last year the problem for the Jackets was hitting. Consider this: in 2013 UR was held to 2 runs or less 17 times and was 1 hit twice. I attribute that to "growing pains", as there were 4-5 freshmen starting last year and I do not think they were prepared to face college pitching.
On the mound, the success of Warren and Janifer do not surprise me, although Janifer did not pitch at all last year, you could tell he was a solid ballplayer.
Warren looked good last year and reminded me of the 2013 guys when those guys were freshmen. And, he is only going to get better.
The reason I don't know what to think of the league this year, other than it is balanced, is strictly comparing number.
For UR, Warren had a 6.95 era. this year 1.05. Crean, 9.58 vs. 1.55 this year, Mondon 13.98 last year, 2.79 now.Petito 7.72 vs. 3.00. Some of that is Freshmen growing pains.
For hitting, last year the jackets had 3 guys over .300, this year7 guys. Again, some of that is pure college level adjustment. Hamilton went from.138 to .372, Sander (who has been a solid player) had a down year last year at .250 but rebounded to .378 this year. Mulberg, whom I saw as the most improved last year, went from .207 to .360 this year.
So, what to make of the LL? I firmly believe the Jackets will make the Regionals, and they will win a few. What'd I'd really love is seeing them in Appleton, only 3 hours away!...........Go get 'em Jackets!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: airball55 on May 10, 2014, 10:21:07 AM
Those stats tell me the rest of the league backed up some while the Jackets improved.  I have seen Rochester this year.  They pitch decent, not a lot of velocity guys but they do throw strikes.  They don't beat themselves.  They are very scrappy.  That's a good thing.  They just don't have the athletes that a Cortland or Fisher has.  And, the LL doesn't have a ton of good teams to go along with them.  Union, Clarkson and St. Law. in my opinion (regardless of tourney) were the next best teams.  I am happy for UR, let's hope they prove me wrong in the regionals, assuming they get the job done and get Union.  That is not a guarantee by any stretch.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: airball55 on May 10, 2014, 04:46:34 PM
The Rochester jinx continues.  Union comes back from the losers bracket and gets the AQ for the Liberty League.  I would say that the best team won, nothing against Rochester who had a good season and certainly has some positive energy to build on for next season.  Union does it the hard way, which at the end of the day is much more impressive.  Good luck to Union, a deserved champion.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BBFan62 on May 10, 2014, 06:12:00 PM
Quote from: airball55 on May 10, 2014, 04:46:34 PM
The Rochester jinx continues.  Union comes back from the losers bracket and gets the AQ for the Liberty League.  I would say that the best team won, nothing against Rochester who had a good season and certainly has some positive energy to build on for next season.  Union does it the hard way, which at the end of the day is much more impressive.  Good luck to Union, a deserved champion.
Airball, I agree with what you're saying. All I can say is a big OUCH! for Rochester. They will be back; the Freshmen & Sophomores are talented.  I was really hoping UR would do it, as as a Cub fan I'm used to saying."Wait till next year". Hats off to Union; they alos ended the #1 seeed jinx.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: reddragon00 on May 10, 2014, 10:52:14 PM
This shows the parity in the league.  I agree with airball.  The rising cost of tuition at most of these schools will put them farther away from the Cortlands of the region.  Ithaca isn't what they once were and Fisher is very over rated.  They too will fade as cost of school gets closer to the 50k mark.  I was at the games today and UR had the chances.  Just never got it done.  Spoke to Joe after...not happy!  But they had #2 arm and #4 arm out and catcher not playing due to a suspension.  I think they will be fine as they are young.  Union better pitch it well in regionals, not much pop in the offense at all.  A lot of bleeding base hits.  This conference will be fun to watch in years to come!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: airball55 on May 11, 2014, 06:11:16 AM
For UR, this seems to be their song.  Although they have been under .500 the previous three years, when they do get to the tournament, it's excuse after excuse.  Ithaca is down a bit, I don't like their chances at all. Cortland has the region for the taking. Fisher certainly has the arms to be a dangerous team, I wouldn't sleep on them.  I can't see any scenario where the NCAA won't ship a team in.  Whomever that may be, we would assume that team to be a threat.  Neither Stevens or Farmingdale evoke fear.  As for Fisher and Ithaca, who knows if they get in, could be both, might not be either.  Fisher is 30-8 in the region, it would be unprecedented to have a mark like that and not get in.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BBFan62 on May 11, 2014, 11:48:06 AM
Quote from: airball55 on May 11, 2014, 06:11:16 AM
For UR, this seems to be their song.  Although they have been under .500 the previous three years, when they do get to the tournament, it's excuse after excuse.  Ithaca is down a bit, I don't like their chances at all. Cortland has the region for the taking. Fisher certainly has the arms to be a dangerous team, I wouldn't sleep on them.  I can't see any scenario where the NCAA won't ship a team in.  Whomever that may be, we would assume that team to be a threat.  Neither Stevens or Farmingdale evoke fear.  As for Fisher and Ithaca, who knows if they get in, could be both, might not be either.  Fisher is 30-8 in the region, it would be unprecedented to have a mark like that and not get in.

The UR YellowJackets have no excuses, they flat out lost. I'm dissappointed as anyone. The last 3 years were tough to watch, I only wish I could have watched thsi year. However, call it "more competitive", etc., but in mu counts for nothing opinion, the league could not have been as strong as the past couple if years. All you have to do is compare the teams and many of the individual stats and ask yourself how, for example, does a team like UR go from 1 guy having a +>400 OBP to having 7 guys +.400? Look at slugging %, you go from a team.297 last year to .326 this year, with virtually the same guys. There were a couple of new faces, but it is mostly the same.
You see much of the same in the pitching staff. Tim LaSuer (RPI) played at UR his first year but had a personality conflict with the UR coaches (plus probably was played in the wrong position), had a nice continuation of his career at RPI. He was not in the top 10 in hitting (hit .267 at UR) but hit .435 this year.
Most teams have a better conference performance than overall, which leads me to believe the LL is not as strong as other leagues. However LL guys go for the education, which is a strength at LL schools and prepares the guys for great careers.
But, watch the Jackets over the next couple of years!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: airball55 on May 11, 2014, 12:01:14 PM
Spot on with the last post.  This league is waiting for someone to jump up and take control.  With the turf facility and the ability to bring in kids nationally, it may be Rochester's time. They may never get to a Cortland type status, no one has...but maybe like RPI back in the early 2000's is something to shoot for.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: AlleyCat on May 12, 2014, 08:29:56 AM
Congrats to Union on winning the leagues automatic bid. Hopefully the boys from Schenectady can do a little damage in the regional. Kean is going to be a tough matchup for a bunch of first timers, but you never know.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: AlleyCat on May 15, 2014, 02:39:29 PM
Tough one for Union. Walk off in the 9th on first batter for reliever. Down 2-0 already this afternoon. hopefully they can come back and get at least one win in the regional. Doesn't look good for the league - 1,2 and a BBQ.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: airball55 on May 15, 2014, 10:22:51 PM
In Union's defense, they gave Kean a good game, very easily could have snuck that one out.  Those two teams similar at plate, lot's of small ball.  No shot against Stevens, who, although they finished third in the Empire 8 can pitch.  Two and out, but, not embarrassed. 
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: OldBallsHenry on May 15, 2014, 11:01:07 PM
You are right about Union not embarrassing themselves.  They could have, should have beaten Kean last night.  Their freshman right fielder has trouble with two balls in the lights and dropped them both which led to two Kean runs.  They should have been up by two heading to the ninth instead of being tied.  Then they had an early turn around today after the Kean affair ended around midnight.  The team looked and played flat against Stevens.  Could have been a different story had they beaten Kean.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: nyy2344nyy on March 28, 2015, 11:51:36 PM
Bard College splits with UR, giving Bard first ever Liberty League win!
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: hotcorner15 on April 17, 2015, 01:19:35 PM
Crunch Time in the Liberty league!

Rochester currently in the drivers seat at 11-1 with Vassar up this weekend. Stacked 1 through 9 with power numbers that are formidable, they have taken advantage of what turned out to be a favorable draw. They also have quality wins against Emory, Ithaca twice, and nearly knocked off Cortland but for a late game collapse. They finish against Clarkson and Union which may have host site ramifications.

RPI at 13-3 has a tough road in with Clarkson and RIT. Split em up and they are probably  in.   Impressive stat lines but also took care of business with a favorable  schedule. Not many wins outside of LL.

Clarkson 8-2 (14-3) getting some love in the polls looks to be a tough opponent. Key series this weekend against RPI followed by a visit to Rochester. Not sure of the quality of the Fla wins but taking 3 from Union and splitting RIT no easy feat.

RIT 7-2 took three from SLU and Vassar with Skidmore and Union up next. Win those 2 series and they should be in. If they stumble,  a final series against RPI looms large.

Union 7-5 took it on the chin in the early part of the schedule with RPI and Clarkson but did get four from Bard.  Need to take this weekends series from SLU as they have to finish up with RIT and Rochester with a DH penciled in midweek with Skidmore. Very dangerous...they will be right in the thick of this.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: d3d3d3 on December 17, 2015, 11:00:11 AM
Ithaca to join Liberty League:
http://athletics.ithaca.edu/news/2015/12/17/BB_1217151424.aspx
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: d3d3d3 on March 21, 2016, 02:02:49 PM
I know RPI graduated a bunch of people, but 1-12? Really?
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: NYbaseballguy on March 21, 2016, 06:11:41 PM
I know...the times they are a changing!!  My kid played at U of R...ten-15 years ago this would have been unheard of and maybe even expected to be the other way around.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: d3d3d3 on March 22, 2016, 11:04:38 AM
Yeah, well RPI's got four this weekend with Rochester ... though I'm a bit surprised they've got a doubleheader scheduled for Easter.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: John McGraw on March 24, 2016, 04:07:28 PM
Quote from: d3d3d3 on March 22, 2016, 11:04:38 AM
Yeah, well RPI's got four this weekend with Rochester ... though I'm a bit surprised they've got a doubleheader scheduled for Easter.

There are only so many weekends to play league doubleheaders and playing on Friday would result in missed class time.  It really depends on the schools involved. The weather should work out as Friday it's supposed to rain while Saturday and Sunday look pleasant.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: D3SportsFan on March 25, 2016, 11:05:10 AM
It's interesting to see which conferences choose to play or not play on Easter.

Regardless, with the start of league play today and this weekend, has there been enough LL action to determine who may be stronger than others?

Is Bard ready to be a conference tournament team?
Are Union and Rochester in another tier compared to the rest?
Will RPI be able to rebound after a slow start?
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: d3d3d3 on March 26, 2016, 11:16:50 AM
I think Union and Rochester, like you say, are on another level in the LL, but the gulf isn't very wide.

The rest of the league ... who knows at this point? Bard has 16 freshmen and one senior. They'll be a threat some days and they'll stink on others. RPI is young, too. They'll get better as the season goes along.

I think the 3-4 spots for the playoffs could be anyone's. RIT? Clarkson? Everybody is in the mix.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: d3d3d3 on March 26, 2016, 06:05:29 PM
RIT swept 4 from Clarkson;
Union took 3-of-4 from Skidmore;
Vassar and SLU split 4;
Rochester and RPI have split two so far with an Easter doubleheader yet to play ...
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: NYbaseballguy on March 26, 2016, 10:09:15 PM
Union to me is the favorite simply because of the ace.  Everyone else is a hodgepodge, though, RIT made a pretty big statement this weekend.  U of R to me is in that second group, but, they have three really good starters and if they can score some runs certainly makes them a contender.  I just can't give up on RPI as being a playoff team...maybe I am wrong.  I also have to throw Skidmore into the mix after looking at the teams they beat down south and losing two one run games today, they have to be considered.  Going to be a fun league to watch...very balanced.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: D3SportsFan on April 12, 2016, 02:25:45 PM
Starting to see some separation with Union and RPI at the top, Vassar and Rochester maybe RIT in the next tier. Still more than half of the LL slate remaining. Any expectations? Any foreseeable surprises?
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: d3d3d3 on May 02, 2016, 01:05:55 PM
Interesting situation here, with playoff implications, involving RPI and Vassar this weekend.

RPI coach got tossed during second game of Saturday's doubleheader, as did two players.

Well, one of those two players started the first game of Sunday's doubleheader - a game he was supposed to sit per league rules - and RPI swept Vassar to leapfrog them into the fourth and final playoff spot with one weekend of games left.

Chances are that game is going to become a forfeit for RPI, and a win for Vassar ...

Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: NYbaseballguy on May 03, 2016, 10:41:05 AM
Interesting...but, I have to doubt that Coach Steffan didn't know the league rules.  Looking forward to seeing what happens here. 
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: d3d3d3 on May 03, 2016, 11:07:32 AM
According to the Liberty League standings on the web site, that first game Sunday, which was a 10-1 win for RPI, is now a 7-0 win for Vassar with the word "forfeit" in parentheses. Vassar is back in the #4 spot heading into the final weekend.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: NYbaseballguy on May 03, 2016, 12:01:33 PM
Wow!!  That's a mistake (if everything is accurate) that can't be made.  Good for Vassar. 
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: John McGraw on May 04, 2016, 10:38:47 AM
Quote from: d3d3d3 on May 03, 2016, 11:07:32 AM
According to the Liberty League standings on the web site, that first game Sunday, which was a 10-1 win for RPI, is now a 7-0 win for Vassar with the word "forfeit" in parentheses. Vassar is back in the #4 spot heading into the final weekend.

Vassar up on RPI by a game with Union on tap this weekend and RPI makes the long drive up to St. Lawrence. All four teams in the midst of the conference playoff race. Conference tournament winner likely goes to Auburn with the Liberty looking like a one-bid league. Weather could possibly play a factor this weekend so here's hoping all the games get in.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: d3d3d3 on May 04, 2016, 02:18:14 PM
RPI is appealing. Let's see what happens.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: OldBallsHenry on May 11, 2016, 04:11:31 PM
Appeal denied but Union bailed them out by sweeping Vassar.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: John McGraw on May 12, 2016, 09:08:34 AM
Quote from: OldBallsHenry on May 11, 2016, 04:11:31 PM
Appeal denied but Union bailed them out by sweeping Vassar.

RPI helped its own cause by sweeping SLU on the final day as well.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: djm222ball on May 15, 2016, 05:54:57 PM
Union went 3-0 in the league tournament to advance to the NCAA regional
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: d3d3d3 on August 25, 2016, 07:42:13 PM
Bard HC left for assistant job at Holy Cross. Vassar HC left for Bates.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: d3d3d3 on February 25, 2017, 09:48:23 AM
Here's the preseason coaches' poll:

http://libertyleagueathletics.com/news/2017/2/16/BASE_0216175638.aspx
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: UfanBill on April 11, 2017, 12:57:35 PM
I'm not sure if anyone even reads this board since the last post was 6 weeks ago but I would like to discuss the Liberty League scheduling. While I'm sure that scheduling has probably been discussed previously, I'm not prepared to search back and I feel an update is in order anyway...           If you're on the Liberty League baseball thread you probably know That the LL plays an unbalanced schedule. There are currently nine schools fielding baseball teams in LL play. WHY ??? is it that the nine teams only play league match-ups against six of the other teams? Each season, each team does NOT play two other league opponents! While there may be a legitimate reason, it makes no sense to me. How can you sort out the top four teams for the post season championship tournament and the coveted NCAA tourney bid, when some of the teams haven't played each other? I know the LL tournament is supposed to sort that out but what if teh best four teams don't even make the tourney? For example, this year Union does not play St. Lawrence and RIT, usually two of the stronger teams in the league while rival RPI does not play Bard and Skidmore. Then rainouts often cancel key games that usually cannot be rescheduled. It seems that every year when the last weekend of the regular season comes, there are arguments about just who are the best four teams. Is it fair that one team may have four wins against a weak sister that the other team didn't even get a chance to play? I think with nine league members it should be fundamental that every team plays every other team every season.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: d3d3d3 on April 11, 2017, 07:47:01 PM
An excellent point.

Ithaca joins next year, bringing the total number of teams to 10, and you'd have to expect divisional play.

Remember, too, that the Liberty League isn't keen on student-athletes missing much class, hence the weekend doubleheaders, and the rare weekday makeups.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: Bishopleftiesdad on April 11, 2017, 07:59:03 PM
The NCAC has had divisional play for years. But many years the two divisions are unbalanced, with the best team in the conference in a division, with 3 of the weaker teams, and the other division have arguably teams 2-4 some years. All conference games were DH's on Saturday and Sunday.
Next year they finally worked out a round robin schedule.
Divisions do not always make for balances play.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: d3d3d3 on April 12, 2017, 06:26:59 AM
Of course divisional play doesn't guarantee balance for the playoffs. That's true in professional baseball, too. But it will at least stop this practice of skipping teams on a rotating basis.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: Jim Dixon on April 12, 2017, 10:40:04 AM
Quote from: UfanBill on April 11, 2017, 12:57:35 PM
I'm not sure if anyone even reads this board since the last post was 6 weeks ago

Well I read every post in all boards and it appears I am not the only one right Bishopleftiesdad?
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: Bishopleftiesdad on April 12, 2017, 10:08:27 PM
I read many, but I do not think I can compete with every post.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: D3SportsFan on April 13, 2017, 01:22:31 PM
There are 2 different scenarios going around about Ithaca, so any clarification is appreciated:

1. Ithaca will be playing an LL conference schedule starting next year (2018)

2. Ithaca will remain in the E8 conference schedule for baseball only, other sports will be LL.



Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: Bombers798891 on May 05, 2017, 03:10:59 PM
Quote from: D3SportsFan on April 13, 2017, 01:22:31 PM
There are 2 different scenarios going around about Ithaca, so any clarification is appreciated:

1. Ithaca will be playing an LL conference schedule starting next year (2018)

2. Ithaca will remain in the E8 conference schedule for baseball only, other sports will be LL.

Ithaca will play in the LL in all sports but wrestling and gymnastics
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: d3d3d3 on January 31, 2020, 01:50:48 PM
Ithaca has finally joined the Liberty League in baseball. That gives the conference 10 teams, which means divisional play.

LL East
Bard, RPI, Skidmore, Union, Vassar

LL West
Clarkson, Ithaca, RIT, Rochester, St. Lawrence

Instead of four-game conference weekends, series will be three games - doubleheader Saturday (9, 7 innings), single game Sunday (9).
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: UfanBill on February 04, 2020, 08:01:20 PM
Quote from: d3d3d3 on January 31, 2020, 01:50:48 PM
Ithaca has finally joined the Liberty League in baseball. That gives the conference 10 teams, which means divisional play.

LL East
Bard, RPI, Skidmore, Union, Vassar

LL West
Clarkson, Ithaca, RIT, Rochester, St. Lawrence

Instead of four-game conference weekends, series will be three games - doubleheader Saturday (9, 7 innings), single game Sunday (9).

So in looking at the schedules of LL members you play 3 games against every other team in your division and play a three game weekend against 2 0f 5 teams in the other division... ::) Still not close to a balanced schedule. 
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: d3d3d3 on February 14, 2020, 09:48:18 AM
Preseason coaches' poll:

https://libertyleagueathletics.com/news/2020/2/13/university-of-rochester-and-union-college-selected-divisional-preseason-favorites-in-2020-liberty-league-baseball.aspx
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: stlawus on February 15, 2020, 12:47:22 PM
SLU rightfully picked last.  Man do I miss Tom Fay. 
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: UfanBill on February 28, 2020, 05:27:00 PM
A GREAT START...The Union College Dutchmen are in Winter Haven, Florida for their annual southern trip. So far, so good as they've swept consecutive doubleheaders beating Purchase twice yesterday and Castleton and Capital today. The trip continues with doubleheaders against Alma and Trine. The preseason Liberty League pick is showing how it's done. ;)

I can't wait to see the Dutchmen at Shuttleworth Park on 3/21 vs. RIT.

Thanks D3baseball.com for the headline recognition.  :)
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: UfanBill on April 13, 2020, 10:44:18 AM
Quote from: UfanBill on February 28, 2020, 05:27:00 PM
A GREAT START...The Union College Dutchmen are in Winter Haven, Florida for their annual southern trip. So far, so good as they've swept consecutive doubleheaders beating Purchase twice yesterday and Castleton and Capital today. The trip continues with doubleheaders against Alma and Trine. The preseason Liberty League pick is showing how it's done. ;)

I can't wait to see the Dutchmen at Shuttleworth Park on 3/21 vs. RIT.

Thanks D3baseball.com for the headline recognition.  :)

Well of course I didn't get to see the Dutchmen at Shuttleworth Park. Union finished it's Florida swing with a slugfest doubleheader split with Alma before dropping two games to Trine where the bats inexplicably went silent. A 5-3 start to what would become...the season. :'( I feel bad for the seniors. Is this the last we'll see of stalworts Colin Kelly and Sean Cullen? Also Jack Myers and pitchers Josh Garber, Dominic Nardone and Colin Nye.  Tough way to end their careers. Let's hope there's a path for some of them to return next season.

Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: Jim Dixon on April 13, 2020, 12:50:19 PM
Quote from: UfanBill on April 13, 2020, 10:44:18 AM
Quote from: UfanBill on February 28, 2020, 05:27:00 PM
A GREAT START...The Union College Dutchmen are in Winter Haven, Florida for their annual southern trip. So far, so good as they've swept consecutive doubleheaders beating Purchase twice yesterday and Castleton and Capital today. The trip continues with doubleheaders against Alma and Trine. The preseason Liberty League pick is showing how it's done. ;)

I can't wait to see the Dutchmen at Shuttleworth Park on 3/21 vs. RIT.

Thanks D3baseball.com for the headline recognition.  :)

Well of course I didn't get to see the Dutchmen at Shuttleworth Park. Union finished it's Florida swing with a slugfest doubleheader split with Alma before dropping two games to Trine where the bats inexplicably went silent. A 5-3 start to what would become...the season. :'( I feel bad for the seniors. Is this the last we'll see of stalworts Colin Kelly and Sean Cullen? Also Jack Myers and pitchers Josh Garber, Dominic Nardone and Colin Nye.  Tough way to end their careers. Let's hope there's a path for some of them to return next season.

They can return but for private schools with high tuition, it will depend on each players circumstances.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: stlawus on April 13, 2020, 09:21:16 PM
Seniors from many of the LL teams  also have pretty limited options in terms of graduate school.   Look for Clarkson to try and scoop some of these guys up. 
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: Jim Dixon on April 14, 2020, 01:18:33 PM
One avenue would be moving up a division or NAIA  I can see many seniors making with the experience making a mark in a scholarship program.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: UfanBill on April 17, 2020, 07:14:30 PM
Quote from: stlawus on April 13, 2020, 09:21:16 PM
Seniors from many of the LL teams  also have pretty limited options in terms of graduate school.   Look for Clarkson to try and scoop some of these guys up.

Interestingly Clarkson has a Capital District graduate school just yards from the Union College campus. That would be something if Union baseball seniors chose to attend the Clarkson CRC, Capital Region Campus, and play for the Golden Knights...I'd say that's not happening.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: stlawus on April 19, 2020, 12:30:21 AM
Quote from: UfanBill on April 17, 2020, 07:14:30 PM
Quote from: stlawus on April 13, 2020, 09:21:16 PM
Seniors from many of the LL teams  also have pretty limited options in terms of graduate school.   Look for Clarkson to try and scoop some of these guys up.

Interestingly Clarkson has a Capital District graduate school just yards from the Union College campus. That would be something if Union baseball seniors chose to attend the Clarkson CRC, Capital Region Campus, and play for the Golden Knights...I'd say that's not happening.

I wasn't specifically referring to Union players, just the LL in general.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: d3d3d3 on April 25, 2020, 08:00:49 AM
This is happening today. An interesting idea:

https://bardathletics.com/news/2020/4/23/-the-lost-season-webinar-to-bring-vassar-bard-baseball-players-together.aspx
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: stlawus on April 03, 2021, 11:41:31 PM
Nice to see SLU get a DH sweep of Plattsburgh.  SLU has not had a DH sweep since 2017.   Would be nice to see the program get going again.  Has not been the same since Tom Fay retired. 
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: stlawus on April 24, 2021, 06:54:22 PM
SLU sweeps the home DH against RIT to make it 5 straight Ws and move to 8-6 overall and 3-3 in the LL.  SLU had not won more than 7 games their last 2 full seasons.  5 game win streak matches their longest since 2015.  What a remarkable turnaround.   Collins should be officially hired after this season as he's done a phenomenal job as interim HC.   SLU also has a win against league leaders Ithaca which would be nice to count in the league standings but it was technically a non league game. 
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: stlawus on February 15, 2022, 11:29:24 PM
So it appears that post season play has been altered.  Now 4 teams in each division will play a best of 3 against the inverse seed of the other division followed by the usual double elimination.   Still a wonky unbalanced schedule.   Going to get even wonkier when Hobart starts competing in 2023.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: Jim Dixon on February 18, 2022, 08:29:33 AM
They might be just trying to find the right combination for a non-conference/conference schedule. You need tough non-conference games for an at large bid but if you have too few games out of conference, it could hurt the chances of a second place team making the playoffs.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: stlawus on February 19, 2022, 07:13:12 PM
Quote from: Jim Dixon on February 18, 2022, 08:29:33 AM
They might be just trying to find the right combination for a non-conference/conference schedule. You need tough non-conference games for an at large bid but if you have too few games out of conference, it could hurt the chances of a second place team making the playoffs.

You obviously know a lot more than me, so I can get this logic.   I haven't paid attention to D3 baseball much over the last several years, hard to stay in it when your team is so bad but given the improvements with the SLU program I plan on paying more attention this year to things on the whole.   
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: d3d3d3 on March 21, 2022, 05:03:07 PM
Liberty League play starts this weekend, and as of today, there are only two teams in the league under .500.

Skidmore 11-1 (!)
Ithaca and Rochester 10-2
RIT 10-3
SLU 7-3

It remains likely that Rochester will be the last man standing, but this should be fun.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: stlawus on March 21, 2022, 07:08:43 PM
Beat me to it d3d3d3.   Best start for the LL that I can remember for some time.   Skidmore definitely surprising, but I am incredibly happy with my alma mater's start at 7-3.  The last time this team played a full season they won 7 games total.

UR returns pretty much their entire offense from last season, so I definitely agree they are likely to be last team standing, but they're going to have to earn it.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: stlawus on March 26, 2022, 07:33:16 PM
Absolutely crazy turn of events today between SLU-Vassar.   A 4 hour 11 inning game in the first game of a DH saw SLU prevail 9-8, and then Vassar jumps out to a 10-1 lead early in game 2 only for SLU to score 9 runs in the final 2 innings to tie it.   A 2 out grand slam from Nicholas Butler tied it up.  Game gets called after the 7th due to darkness, will be resumed tomorrow.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: d3d3d3 on April 18, 2022, 03:23:48 PM
In the preseason, coaches had RPI and Union atop the Liberty League's East Division, and instead it's Skidmore - picked fourth - who is running away.

We're right in the thick of conference play and I still don't see anyone - even Skidmore - giving Rochester too much trouble in the postseason. There's definitely some separation between the Yellowjackets and the rest of the league this year. I supposed anything could happen, but they seem to do too many things well.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: Caz Bombers on April 19, 2022, 11:11:09 AM
Quote from: d3d3d3 on April 18, 2022, 03:23:48 PM
In the preseason, coaches had RPI and Union atop the Liberty League's East Division, and instead it's Skidmore - picked fourth - who is running away.

We're right in the thick of conference play and I still don't see anyone - even Skidmore - giving Rochester too much trouble in the postseason. There's definitely some separation between the Yellowjackets and the rest of the league this year. I supposed anything could happen, but they seem to do too many things well.

Rochester #22 as of this morning, 1 vote for Skidmore. I believe these two plus Ithaca and a wild card squad will be your final four competing in double elimination. U of R will probably earn hosting rights.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: d3d3d3 on April 24, 2022, 03:09:01 PM
Skidmore could have clinched the East this weekend, but Bard takes two of three. If Bard wins out (1 vs. Union, 3 vs. Vassar) they win the division.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: d3d3d3 on May 01, 2022, 03:55:03 PM
Crossovers are set. Best of three. Winners of the top 4 go the playoffs:

Union (East #4) at Ithaca (West #1)
RPI (East #3) at Rochester (West #2)
Clarkson (West #4) at Skidmore (East #1)
RIT (West #3) at Bard (East #2)

Vassar (East #5) at St. Lawrence (West #5)
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: stlawus on May 01, 2022, 07:40:00 PM
Why are SLU and Vassar playing each other if it's top 4 in each division?
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: d3d3d3 on May 01, 2022, 07:59:51 PM
I'll be surprised if they actually play that series. No route to the playoffs
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: d3d3d3 on May 05, 2022, 05:31:28 PM
Region III rankings
1   Oswego St.   24-8
2   SUNY Cortland   27-10
3   SUNY Brockport   29-6
4   Ithaca   25-10
5   Rochester (NY)   27-9
6   St. John Fisher   26-12
7   Bard   15-15   
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: stlawus on May 07, 2022, 09:36:25 PM
In a series for bragging rights SLU took 2 from Vassar today to finish the year 19-16.  Remarkable turnaround for the program.  First above .500 season since 2014, and the last full season this team played they were 7-30.   It was unfortunate the west division was so stacked which resulted in them missing the playoffs as SLU pounded Skidmore in 2 games, but 1 more win against RIT or Clarkson would have got them in.  They were half inning from taking a game away from Rochester as well. Little things add up, but a great season nonetheless.  It would be nice to see this program get back on the map.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: Caz Bombers on May 07, 2022, 10:08:21 PM
if Ithaca beats Union in the only Game 3 tomorrow, the 4-team tournament will be entirely West Division.

West went 9-1 against the East today. Even 4W Clarkson turned 1E Skidmore into a green stain on the asphalt. LOL.

I wonder how the schedule and playoffs will be constructed next year when Hobart comes on board to make it 11 teams. I don't think I ended up liking this cockamamie format very much.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BomberJeff on May 15, 2022, 11:18:26 AM
Congrats to Ithaca on the Liberty League championship.  Kind of unfortunate that Rochester's pitching was so tired in that last game.  Hopefully that won't hurt them too much in terms of getting an at large selection.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BomberJeff on May 16, 2022, 12:29:59 PM
So Ithaca will travel to Chester County, PA for the regional weekend, playing Montclair State in a regional hosted by Immaculata.  The 4th team there will be Keystone.

Rochester meanwhile gets in as an at-large and will host the first weekend, playing Middlebury in the first game.  Their region also has Eastern CT State and Swarthmore.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: Heat23 on May 17, 2022, 12:39:27 PM
Ithica is going to lay a stinker. MTclair st will be wipping their tears away as keystone goes ya ya
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: IC798891 on May 17, 2022, 01:55:46 PM
Quote from: BomberJeff on May 15, 2022, 11:18:26 AM
Congrats to Ithaca on the Liberty League championship.  Kind of unfortunate that Rochester's pitching was so tired in that last game.  Hopefully that won't hurt them too much in terms of getting an at large selection.

Yeah, the Bombers being able to cut down the lead run at the plate in the 9th inning of the previous game — leading to the win and Rochester having to play again that night — was really the key.

D3 staffs just aren't that deep. Having to play that extra game kills most teams
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BomberJeff on May 21, 2022, 09:19:07 PM
That was a tense ride of a game between Ithaca and Montclair, but the Bombers got there 8-5.  Great job on the complete game by Kyle Lambert (123 pitches though... ouch) and good job getting that chain together in the 9th to put it away.

Keystone tomorrow, winner advances to championship Monday while loser plays Immaculata for the same.  Hopefully Keystone having an extra day of rest won't be the difference.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: IC798891 on May 22, 2022, 05:41:28 PM
Keystone stuns Immaculata for the second time.

After coming back from a 5-2, 7th inning deficit in the opener, they eliminate the Mighty Macs on a 2-out error that plates two runs. Keystone trailed 4-0 heading to the bottom of the 4.

Now the real challenge begins, as it does for any team coming from the losers' bracket who has to play that extra game. What doomed Rochester in the LL tournament was that they just...ran out of guys to get outs. IC has only used three pitchers thus far in the regional. Keystone has had to go deeper into their staff

Anything can happen, of course. But the Bombers are basically where you want to be. Needing just 1 win with a relatively rested staff
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: stlawus on May 22, 2022, 07:15:02 PM
Pretty disappointed with Rochester's performance in the tournament the last 2 season.   Back to back great regular seasons but they went 0-4 in the regionals.   Their offense looked unstoppable for both seasons and this year had a lot of veteran leadership.  They still bring back Whitley and a decent core but lose some significant production.  Just goes to show that it doesn't really matter much if you don't have the pitching.   Skidmore learned that this year as well. 
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: Caz Bombers on May 23, 2022, 11:37:21 AM
Quote from: IC798891 on May 22, 2022, 05:41:28 PM
Keystone stuns Immaculata for the second time.

After coming back from a 5-2, 7th inning deficit in the opener, they eliminate the Mighty Macs on a 2-out error that plates two runs. Keystone trailed 4-0 heading to the bottom of the 4.

Now the real challenge begins, as it does for any team coming from the losers' bracket who has to play that extra game. What doomed Rochester in the LL tournament was that they just...ran out of guys to get outs. IC has only used three pitchers thus far in the regional. Keystone has had to go deeper into their staff

Anything can happen, of course. But the Bombers are basically where you want to be. Needing just 1 win with a relatively rested staff

already 6-0 good guys, bottom 2. Keystone has left its starter in there to get splattered. Not sure what they have in the pen.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: Caz Bombers on May 23, 2022, 01:36:19 PM
UPDATE: Keystone, in fact, had absolutely nothing in the bullpen as Ithaca ended up demolishing them 17-2.

I wonder if the Ithaca - Catholic super regional will be in DC or at the friendly confines of Freeman Field.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BomberJeff on May 23, 2022, 01:45:04 PM
Both were respective 3 seeds in their regional, so that doesn't help.  I hate to say I suspect Ithaca simply because you try to house a baseball team in DC on Memorial Day weekend, but that is entirely possible.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: IC798891 on May 23, 2022, 02:04:52 PM
Quote from: Caz Bombers on May 23, 2022, 11:37:21 AM

already 6-0 good guys, bottom 2. Keystone has left its starter in there to get splattered. Not sure what they have in the pen.

Much like Rochester in the LL Tournament, Keystone just ran out of arms.

Their starter came into the day with a 9.51 ERA in 29.1 innings. The Bombers scored 4 in the first, and at that point, Keystone's only hope was to turn it into a slugfest, but even that was a long shot. The staff just wasn't able to get outs. An error that scored two runs in the third was really the backbreaker. Made it 8-0, and IC just kept tacking on runs.

Keystone showed fight though, scoring a run in the 9th and getting a few guys on.

What an amazing run by the Bombers though. Facing elimination in the LL crossover tournament, and giving up a quick 2 runs in the top of the first, IC rallies, takes the game, pounds Union in the nightcap, and then sweeps the LL Tournament and the Regional.

It looked like it was going to be a disappointing end to the season, as Union came into the crossover series 15-16 to Ithaca's 25-11. But the Bombers saved their season, and are on to the Super Regional

Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BomberJeff on May 23, 2022, 09:40:13 PM
And indeed, Ithaca will be hosting the Super Regional. First game Friday, second and third (if necessary) Saturday.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BomberJeff on May 28, 2022, 01:59:57 PM
Start time for the first game between Ithaca and Catholic is now listed for 2:50 PM.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BomberJeff on May 28, 2022, 05:12:51 PM
Ithaca with the 4-0 shutout to move within a game of going to Cedar Rapids. Kyle Lambert going 8 innings and Garrett Bell coming in to seal the deal in the 9th. Big day by Buzz Shirley at the plate, providing most of the offense: 2 for 3 with a double and homer, an intentional walk, 1 RBI and touched home twice.

Big day to be a Bomber tomorrow.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: IC798891 on May 28, 2022, 09:51:59 PM
Quote from: BomberJeff on May 28, 2022, 05:12:51 PM
Ithaca with the 4-0 shutout to move within a game of going to Cedar Rapids. Kyle Lambert going 8 innings and Garrett Bell coming in to seal the deal in the 9th. Big day by Buzz Shirley at the plate, providing most of the offense: 2 for 3 with a double and homer, an intentional walk, 1 RBI and touched home twice.

Big day to be a Bomber tomorrow.

Sort of an odd game. Teams combined for 6 errors. Bombers made a mental error on the bases where a runner left early on a fly out, and was called out, turning a 2nd/3rd one out situation into a 2nd and two outs.

But Kyle Lambert picked a great day to have his most dominant outing of the season. Buzz Shirley continues to show he's one of the best hitters in the country.

I thought Catholic's best chance to win was to have Alch steal this one. But Shirley won those showdowns and the Bombers tacked on two against the bullpen.

The curious thing I noticed: Alch was pulled after just 74 pitches. He'd thrown 122 vs. Susquehanna on the 1st and 120 against Stevens on May 20. He wasn't great today, but he wasn't bad either. (Nothing wrong with struggling to get Shirley out).

Based on what we saw in the regionals and conference tournament, they'll probably go with Zaffiro and Fitzgerald tomorrow. I wonder if they decided to pull Alch early in case they need him tomorrow out of the bullpen.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: BomberJeff on May 29, 2022, 06:21:09 PM
That was a rough ending.  Lose 2 games, both times not even getting back to a tie after 0-0.  Catholic just showed up today and Ithaca didn't.

Great season, showing good progress.  Hopefully there's more to come.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: stlawus on May 12, 2023, 07:05:18 PM
Not sure if Rochester is in at large contention, but they just got eliminated by RIT in the LL tournament.  Same story every season come playoffs, they have the hitting but run out of pitching pretty quick. 
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: Caz Bombers on May 12, 2023, 11:38:52 PM
Quote from: stlawus on May 12, 2023, 07:05:18 PM
Not sure if Rochester is in at large contention, but they just got eliminated by RIT in the LL tournament.  Same story every season come playoffs, they have the hitting but run out of pitching pretty quick.

They're a solid maybe. It won't help if Cortland also needs a Pool C and they got bumped into the loser's bracket in the SUNYAC tournament today.

Ithaca, I'm told, is a good Pool C candidate but I would prefer to simply beat RIT once tomorrow and not have to worry about it.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: stlawus on May 15, 2023, 01:39:04 PM
Looks like Cortland losing the SUNYAC championship knocked Rochester out.  Given the gaudy offensive numbers this year's senior class had every year, pretty disappointing way to go out.  First round exits in the NCAA tournament followed by this season where they didn't make it.  Just shows how important pitching is. 
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: jdex on May 22, 2023, 07:20:40 PM
Ithaca faces Endicott MA (43-7) in Friday/Saturday NCAA tourney best-of-3 Super Regional at Endicott in Beverly MA. Endicott on Monday twice beats Johnson & Wales RI in weather delayed Bridgewater MA Regional.
    Eight Super Regionals qualifying eight teams for World Series in Cedar Rapids IA.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: d3d3d3 on July 11, 2023, 09:16:15 PM
LL POY Jackson Hornung selected by Toronto in 16th round of MLB draft
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: UfanBill on February 26, 2024, 01:21:12 PM
It's baseball season...The news for Union is that they have a new coach. After the retirement of coach Paul Mound after 13 seasons and three LL championships the bench now belongs to John Muller who comes over from Mt. Saint Vincent's. This also means the Garnet are going to be moving back to Schenectady to play at the recently renovated Central Park "A" diamond. Personally I'm going to miss venerable old Shuttleworth Park and so will Liberty League hitters with it's short fences. The A diamond is a all weather turf field and has more conventional fences.
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: IC798891 on March 14, 2024, 09:59:34 AM
Ithaca had a rough opening weekend, but has reeled off seven straight wins, including two over Top 25 Arcadia. In years' past, Ithaca's success (or lack thereof) on their spring trips has really mirrored their overall success. So it's encouraging to see
Title: Re: BB: LL: Liberty League
Post by: stlawus on March 18, 2024, 03:05:51 PM
Lot of graduation losses from last year has the league looking a bit down compared to the last two seasons. Rochester lost a ton including Whitley who is using his 5th year at Richmond. Suspect Ithaca will be the clear #1 until proven otherwise. Union is 6-1 but haven't really played anyone. Pitching has been SLU's downfall the last two seasons in division play, looks like there a couple improvements in that department. Even with Caleb Clark transferring to Endicott the SLU outfield looks pretty solid on defense and at the plate so far.  Surprised at RIT's record but it's still early goings.  Given the results over the last decade you still can't count out RPI and Union.