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PolarCat

Quote from: polbear73 on December 16, 2014, 07:35:04 AM
Noah Nelson, a quarterback from Falmouth, Me committed to play at Bowdoin.

I watched his HUDL highlight film last night.  (Hey, it beat watching another rerun of "It's a Wonderful Life").  Kid's impressive: 6' 1", 190, reads the field well, checks down effectively, throws a nice deep ball, not afraid of contact (throws a couple of nice blocks, one where he absolutely lays out a CB).  On the flipside, the HS secondaries in the film weren't very strong, so he got away with some inaccurate throws that would be INT's in college.  But a good OC will have a lot to work with.

http://www.hudl.com/athlete/1464169/noah-nelson

amh63

Big time football at the U. Of Mich is NOT dead!  I know...it never was.  Seems the present NFL coach of the Forty-Niners has been offered the HFC job of the Woverines...at 8 million/year!  Heck that is way over the amount spent on the student- athletes at the Nescac schools...more than double.  Seems the new DC at Auburn  will be paid 1.5 million...while still drawing over 5 million from The Gators...the school that fired him.
Maybe the movement of coaches in the CAC is based on salary negotiations? :)
Hope this keeps PolarCat from reruns.
If I do not return.....have a happy and healthy holiday season everyone!

Desertraider

Quote from: amh63 on December 18, 2014, 10:46:27 AM
Big time football at the U. Of Mich is NOT dead!  I know...it never was.  Seems the present NFL coach of the Forty-Niners has been offered the HFC job of the Woverines...at 8 million/year!  Heck that is way over the amount spent on the student- athletes at the Nescac schools...more than double.  Seems the new DC at Auburn  will be paid 1.5 million...while still drawing over 5 million from The Gators...the school that fired him.
Maybe the movement of coaches in the CAC is based on salary negotiations? :)
Hope this keeps PolarCat from reruns.
If I do not return.....have a happy and healthy holiday season everyone!

Clearly I chose the wrong profession. I think I should trade my PhD for a class in X's and O's and a whistle. Sorry but those salaries kind of make me mad.
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polbear73

The culture shock of moving from being a football player at a NESCAC school to a graduate student at Michigan was extreme, to say the least.  I never felt comfortable in a big time football environment, probably due to similar feelings as expressed by desertraider.  I quickly came to realize that, even 40 years ago,  a HFC at these schools was really a CEO of a substantial revenue producing enterprise.  I still prefer the NESCAC model. 

Jonny Utah

Quote from: desertraider on December 18, 2014, 01:36:49 PM
Quote from: amh63 on December 18, 2014, 10:46:27 AM
Big time football at the U. Of Mich is NOT dead!  I know...it never was.  Seems the present NFL coach of the Forty-Niners has been offered the HFC job of the Woverines...at 8 million/year!  Heck that is way over the amount spent on the student- athletes at the Nescac schools...more than double.  Seems the new DC at Auburn  will be paid 1.5 million...while still drawing over 5 million from The Gators...the school that fired him.
Maybe the movement of coaches in the CAC is based on salary negotiations? :)
Hope this keeps PolarCat from reruns.
If I do not return.....have a happy and healthy holiday season everyone!

Clearly I chose the wrong profession. I think I should trade my PhD for a class in X's and O's and a whistle. Sorry but those salaries kind of make me mad.

Read something recently that Charlie Weiss received about 70 million dollars or so on his failed football adventures after leaving the Patriots.

jmcozenlaw

Quote from: jmcozenlaw on December 18, 2014, 05:28:38 PM
Quote from: Jonny "Utes" Utah on December 18, 2014, 03:11:29 PM
Quote from: desertraider on December 18, 2014, 01:36:49 PM
Quote from: amh63 on December 18, 2014, 10:46:27 AM
Big time football at the U. Of Mich is NOT dead!  I know...it never was.  Seems the present NFL coach of the Forty-Niners has been offered the HFC job of the Woverines...at 8 million/year!  Heck that is way over the amount spent on the student- athletes at the Nescac schools...more than double.  Seems the new DC at Auburn  will be paid 1.5 million...while still drawing over 5 million from The Gators...the school that fired him.
Maybe the movement of coaches in the CAC is based on salary negotiations? :)
Hope this keeps PolarCat from reruns.
If I do not return.....have a happy and healthy holiday season everyone!


Clearly I chose the wrong profession. I think I should trade my PhD for a class in X's and O's and a whistle. Sorry but those salaries kind of make me mad.

Read something recently that Charlie Weiss received about 70 million dollars or so on his failed football adventures after leaving the Patriots.

And the President of RPI pulled down a cool $7 million last year..............not a bad gig either ;D

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/36-private-university-presidents-clear-1-million-bar-led-by-rpis-7-million-woman-2014-12-08

frank uible

Merely free market economics at work - of which, I believe, all persons to the right of Socialism approve at least in principle.

jmcozenlaw

Quote from: frank uible on December 20, 2014, 04:44:05 PM
Merely free market economics at work - of which, I believe, all persons to the right of Socialism approve at least in principle.

Frank - I agree 100%.............and that includes the comp packages of major college football coaches, as I'm sure that you agree with as well ;)

banfan

BRAVO BOWDOIN!!

The ultimate gesture, ultimate right thing to do!

PolarCat

I agree, BUT....

The announcement came AFTER the George Steinbrenner Foundation had already announced that they would be paying 100% of the son's tuition.  So the grand gesture may not have cost Bowdoin a penny.  I'd like to believe that President Mills didn't know about the Foundation's commitment when he made the announcement.  If so, bravo to both the College and the Foundation.  (Feels funny for a Sox fan to be tipping his hat to Steinbrenner, but I am).

My daughter is friends with Officer Ramos' son and says he's a great kid.  I know the entire student body will rally around him when he returns.  But I can't help but wonder if any of the Bowdoin students or faculty who participated in the assorted "die-ins", or walked around with those "I can't breathe" shirts regret their actions now?

nescac1

They would only have reason to regret their protests if they were in some way responsible for Officer Ramos' death.  Because they were not, they should not, and it's offensive to even make that suggestion (of course, doesn't stop opportunistic and craven politicians from trying to exploit a human tragedy -- nothing new there, from either side of the aisle).  Just because an evil psycopath murdered two good men in cold blood does not retroactively make what happened to Eric Gardner suddenly justified, nor does it transform what were wholly appropriate protests into the moral equivalent of the actions of a murderer.   

But yes, Bowdoin certainly did the right thing here, and what his son must be going through is truly unimaginable.   

PolarCat

#7946
Once it's on the internet, it's forever, so I want to be sure I understand precisely what you are saying.

Are you implying that anti-police rhetoric - directed against ALL police, not specifically against a handful of officers in Brooklyn  and Ferguson - is justified?  Should Officer Ramos' son have felt "okay" with his classmates' blanket indictment of his father's career and brethren?  Or even if it stung him "just a little", it was somehow okay because it furthered the discussion / the protesters' agenda?

Would you argue that Sheriff David Clarke (who happens to be African-American - not that it should matter) is "opportunistic and craven" in objecting to the over-the-top anti-cop rhetoric, butAl Sharpton is not when he incites it?

Because if that's your position, I disagree with you in the strongest possible terms.  And I would sincerely hope that students who participated in what you perceive to be "wholly appropriate protests" would question whether their actions - no matter how noble and well-intentioned they may have seemed at the time - had unintended consequences.

My uncle was a state trooper, and one of my best friends from high school just retired from the force, so yes, this whole issue hits close to home.  I am deeply troubled by the video of what happened to Eric Gardner, but I am much more troubled by what happened to the Asian-American and Latino officers.

EDIT: Here's the link to the Clarke interview: http://insider.foxnews.com/2014/12/22/sheriff-david-clarke-if-you-see-al-sharpton-coming-run

nescac1

So I guess you, like Guiliani et al, are suggesting that there is blood on these students' hands because they chose to exercise their first amendment right to protest?  That is the logical implication of what you are saying, and it's an outright disgrace.

PolarCat

I will be precise, so you won't try to put any more words in my mouth:

I did NOT suggest the protesters had blood on their hands (and if Giulliani said precisely that, I guess I missed that sound bite).

But I DO feel that the atmosphere they helped create fueled the anti-police rhetoric.  And I hope many / some of them are mature enough to question whether that was less than a resounding success, and whether the mantra of "Police are Evil" was misguided.

That type of introspection would show maturity.  Unfortunately, that seems to be more the exception than the norm these days.


nescac1

#7949
You are the one who is using hyperbole.  Saying "all police are evil" (which is not remotely close to what all but an extreme fringe of protesters have said) is very different from saying that certain police policies need dramatic reform, and there is institutional bias in which young minority males in particular face a very, very different set of circumstances when dealing with law enforcement, in the aggregate, white people (which is undeniably true -- just talk to virtually any African American male who has had encounters with law enforcement). 

I promise you, the parents of the 12 year old who was gunned down for no reason in Cleveland are grieving just as much as the children of the police officers who were gunned down for no reason in NYC.  They are both incredible, unimaginable human tragedies.  The difference is that, in one case, it is the actions and policies and training provided by the government, which we can potentially control via policy changes, that are arguably partially at fault.  We can't, unfortunately, control the actions of a psychopathic/sociopathetic, truly evil man, who not only killed police, but killed his girlfriend before, or maybe you didn't hear about that.  Did Bowdoin students help create the climate that led to that homicide, as well? 

I promise you this individual has never heard of Bowdoin college or any student who attends it, so to say that somehow, by dramatizing the need for reform to a governmental institution, they contributed to some sort of inchoate general "atmosphere" that may have spurred this psychopath to murder is ridiculous.  You are no different than anyone, left wing or right, who used the actions of a single sociopathic or psychopathic person, who we cannot hope to comprehend or understand, to try to advance their personal political agenda -- whether that be Sandy Hook, or Columbine, or Arizona, etc. etc.  And the idea that any Bowdoin student should be made to feel in any tiny way responsible, to me is just a flabbergasting idea. 

TRYING TO BLAME MURDER ON GREATER SOCIAL FORCES which as much as you try to protest, you are doing (because if not, they don't have anything to regret, right???) is never a smart idea.  Again, that is totally different from saying, OK, there is a social problem with institutional racism in which far too many minority males are killed or injured or wrongfully detained by police negligence, which, really, just corresponds to racism embedded in larger society.  Does that mean that all police are bad?  Of course not.  The vast majority are good people doing their best under very trying circumstances (and by the way, I work in law enforcement and have worked closely with many, many law enforcement officers -- the vast, vast majority are indeed good, in many cases heroic, people). 

But some POLICIES enacted by police departments (like stop and frisk, for example) disproportionately target minorities and create an atmosphere of mutual mistrust.  And to the extent a bunch of college students want to draw attention to that, even in dramatic or yes even hyberbolic fashion, they should not be made to feel guilty or somehow even partially responsible for a homicide for doing so.   It's no different from saying that pro-life advocates are responsible for creating a "climate" in which an abortion doctor is murdered.  Of that the Beatles are responsible for Charles Manson because they wrote Helter Skelter. There are always going to be twisted, depraved people doing evil acts.  We should not use that as an excuse to stifle free speech, even if those individuals use that speech as an excuse to justify their evil deeds.   At least these Bowdoin students cared about something besides polishing their resumes, which seems all too rare in college students nowadays.  Even if I may not agree with all of their conclusions, I don't see any problem with their right to express their viewpoint.

And by the way, rhetoric can at times get out of hand on both sides.  I am certainly no fan of Al Sharpton, who I would included in the craven / opportunistic category for certain.  But I'm equally not a fan of the head of the NYC police union, who has said some bat-**** crazy things in recent days.