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Title: MBB: Coast 2 Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 27, 2005, 10:16:13 PM
Crazy Carl (and others),

Big East MUST be the best - they finish with no one in the 'elite eight' (tourney record: 7-6).

Therefore the ACC MUST be the best - they had ONE team in the 'elite eight'!

OOPS!  Wait a second, the much-maligned (this year) Big Ten (our motto: "So we can't count - you got a problem with that?") had THREE teams in the 'elite eight', and has TWO teams in the 'Final Four'.

For THIS year, I hope this will end your bickering - I'm sure you have MUCH too much pride (whether deserved or not!) to fight over SECOND place.  :-)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cuabigdog on March 28, 2005, 08:45:34 AM
The ACC may only have one team in the final 4 but that one team (N.CAROLINA) will emerge as the NCAA 2005 NATIONAL CHAMPION and the ACC will also emerge as the 2005 NIT CHAMPION (MD.)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: John Rusnak on March 28, 2005, 10:16:32 AM
Fight!  Fight!  Rah, team fight!

Victory for MSU...
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: John Rusnak on March 28, 2005, 10:16:51 AM
Something about the Spartans and the Final Four this year...
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 28, 2005, 12:43:40 PM
There's something to be said for being #1 and #66. :-)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: d-mac on March 28, 2005, 04:17:56 PM
Hmm - gut feeling tells me Maryland would easily beat a few of those teams that made the "Top-65"... even on "Pool C" bids.

So #66... unofficially.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: John Rusnak on March 28, 2005, 05:02:24 PM
Maryland just wasn't as solid this year as they have been in recent years.  It would be nice if they can pull off the next two games, but they never would've made a legitimate run in the tournament this year.

However, there's no doubt that they were better than some of the other teams that got in.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 28, 2005, 05:12:31 PM
Yeah yeah D-mac, I know ... I reserve the right to not be literal about Division I basketball.

Don't forget to send me those audio files.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: spartanfan on March 28, 2005, 05:53:37 PM
Hey Rusnak, your name has always sounded familiar...U by any chance spent some time in a federal prison???
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: d-mac on March 28, 2005, 10:06:45 PM
SpartanFan!!!

You actually get the name!!!

Very good!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 28, 2005, 11:20:09 PM
cuabigdog,

Were it not for a couple of total 'brain cramps' by Wisconsin in the final minute (a 'desperation' 3-point heave down only 5 with 50 seconds left [and 25 on the shot clock!]; a TWO-point miss, down 6 with 12 seconds left; others I may have mercifully blocked-out! - VERY uncharacteristic of what is usually a very 'brainy' team), they might well have beaten UNC.

Since UW already knocked out NCSt, and MSU knocked out Duke, a clean sweep of the ACC 'final three' would have been oh-so-sweet revenge for the ACC-Big 10 debacle back in December!  :-)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 28, 2005, 11:29:09 PM
Pat,

As we well know from d3 (and is also true for d1), the top team left out of the national tourney is NOT #66 (or in our case, this year, #49).  AQs from lesser leagues would be MUCH farther down the food chain!

Figure Maryland (or St Joe or ??) as somewhere around 40 - figure the top left-out d3s as around 20-25 (as, indeed, your final poll did).
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 28, 2005, 11:33:51 PM
I reiterate, that was not to be taken literally.

Or, in Cabonney-speak:

I reiterate, THAT was NOT to be taken LITERALLY!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: d-mac on March 28, 2005, 11:38:09 PM
cabonney... you need help!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: d-mac on March 28, 2005, 11:39:27 PM
I think this about wraps up cabonney... one that can't even make up his own mind about who he wants to cheer for:
"With my grad degrees from Michigan, and 30+ years employment at EMU, I root for all Big 10 teams (except when they play Michigan - well maybe not Ohio State, I'm not THAT liberal), and all MAC schools (esp. NIU) except when they play Eastern"
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: John Rusnak on March 29, 2005, 11:05:01 AM
If my calendar is correct, I still have about 6 years left on my sentence...
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 29, 2005, 11:43:58 AM
d-mac,

I don't understand your point in your 11:39 post - is there something wrong (or unusual) about conference loyalty?  (I also root for all CCIW teams against 'outsiders'.)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: John Rusnak on March 29, 2005, 03:26:29 PM
I know in our prison leagues, the guys from Attica never cheer for anybody else in their conference...some kind of bitterness or anger issues.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Crazy Carl on March 30, 2005, 10:11:19 AM
Cabonney,

Though the Big Ten can't count, they must get some recognition for cleverly putting the number "11" in the design of "BIGTEN."

If anyone doesnt know what I am talking about, look at the logo at the upper left: http://bigten.collegesports.com/.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Old School on March 30, 2005, 12:45:09 PM
Nice catch CC
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: d-mac on March 30, 2005, 04:46:49 PM
You like to hedge your bets cabonney... hedging your bets all the time.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Daniel Johnson on March 30, 2005, 07:46:03 PM
Congrats to Coach Gamber for the NABC national coach of the year award!  That is fantastic and well-deserved for someone that has dedicated himself to his sport and his college!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: John Rusnak on March 31, 2005, 03:44:03 PM
That is quite the accomplishment and certainly well deserved.  The only other coach I can think of to consider might be Jack since he won again this year, but since he had his talent back, it's not as much of a surprise as it was to see York in Salem.

Coach G, hang it up, give the keys to Dean.  Walk out on top!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on April 03, 2005, 09:59:37 PM
d-mac,

Sorry to be so slow to get back to you.  If you check the record (if you or anyone has kept it!), I think you will find that on the rare occasions I make a BET, it is set in stone.  I do not hedge my bets.

If you mean that I am not sufficiently dogmatic to suit you, I will probably have to plead guilty.  I apologize if I often seem to see both (or even SEVERAL) sides to an argument.  If by 'hedge your bets', you mean that I don't go 100% for one side of an issue, then 'thank you'!  I TRY not to be so shallow!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CU Guy on April 17, 2005, 11:30:21 PM
Almost off-topic, but--

Did anyone notice that in the Washington Times coverage of the Nationals' home opener at RFK stadium in DC, there was a big ol' picture of Sean Tuohey, former CUA Cardinal, in the stands?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MWGoonie on April 20, 2005, 07:46:58 PM
schmels,  

how do we look for the playoffs?
iverson stays hot
webb gives us 18/9
and iguodala just plains dunks
we might might a little more than noise

anyways
hope everyone is doing fine without d3 to talk about
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: John Rusnak on April 25, 2005, 11:09:56 AM
Against my Pistons...not a chance.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MWGoonie on April 28, 2005, 07:33:29 AM
yeah, Pistons are a balanced team.... 76ers are to inexperienced.....oh well.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycpalum on April 28, 2005, 09:50:50 AM
Pistons....like everyone is saying is just the worst possible match-up for the sixers. Because Hamilton plays Iverson so well, and they have the athletes on the front line to disrupt and penetration and pick & rolls. I would have much rather seen Miami. Even being a diehard sixers fan....I knew as soon as the matchups came out it was all but over. They might get 1 in Philly. Pistons in 5
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: John Rusnak on April 28, 2005, 12:52:01 PM
That sequence the other night where Iverson got blocked, then another block, then the steal...I just hope they play that way against Miami.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Crazy Carl on April 28, 2005, 02:19:17 PM
I think a key for the success of the Sixers in the next five years is Dalembert, and whether he goes the way of Jermaine O'Neal, a highly skilled F/C, or rather towards Stromile Swift, a guy with tremendous athleticism, highly inconsistent, who cant quite put it together.  

If SD can be more of the former, with a combination of the defense of AI2, and the shooting of Korver, the Sixers would have a nice triumverate and things would look really promising for the future.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Shawne McCoy on May 03, 2005, 07:18:47 PM
http://www.smcm.edu/athletics/pressrelease.cfm?doc_id=3433
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 08, 2005, 09:27:55 PM
Long-timers might recognize the name of McDaniel's new coach. Second story down:

http://www.d3hoops.com/news.php?date=2005-05-31
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Peter B. on August 01, 2005, 09:14:52 PM
Click on the link below to read a nice article on Gallaudet's Robert Haney, Jr. and Frank Jackson from NCAAsports.com
http://www.ncaasports.com/basketball/mens/story/8680879
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Clint Often on August 05, 2005, 02:15:31 PM
UMW's schedules now online here and at http://athletics.umw.edu
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt L. on August 09, 2005, 11:15:43 AM
I don't remember CUA and Mary Wash playing this early in the season before...it appears to be the first CAC game. Good early test, I guess.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Crazy Carl on August 11, 2005, 01:12:23 PM
Any word yet on matriculation into the CAC for the upcoming season?  Obviously in D3, you never quite know what each team will have until the students have stepped foot on campus in the fall.  We are getting close to that time though, so I figure some names are out there.    

Any players (and school they'll attend) from whom we can expect immediate first-year production?  

On a side note, I had a chance to see SMCM a couple weeks ago, and it has a beautiful setting.  This was the first school I have glimpsed where all the buildings looked quite similar, which was a unique touch.  It definitely seemed like a nice place overall.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycpalum on August 15, 2005, 07:23:14 PM
Did anyone bring in any impact recruits this year? Can anyone stop York this year? They seem to be loaded to make another serious run this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on August 22, 2005, 03:08:33 PM
Few teams will beat YCP..  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cuabigdog on September 04, 2005, 04:37:03 PM
York will be a the team to beat this yearbut as i understand it CUA has brought in a few players one being a point guard from HD Woodson High and many around campus are very optimistic about the upcoming season
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: muchacho on September 19, 2005, 10:39:49 AM
It looks like Steve Howe has done a decent job of recruiting judging from what I've seen. There is a good number of new players working out with the basketball team this fall, and there seems to be a good mix of heights in there. Hopefully one or two of them can be impact players and CUA can improve this year after barely losing any production from last year's team.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: want2b on October 03, 2005, 12:53:38 PM
catholic just released its schedule. any comments on the schedule or how they will make out. cua has 1 d-1 scholl (davidson) during th regular season and two during the pre-season (navy and american) this should prepare them for the regular season. they and york should have some good games this season. the seaon starts in two weeks 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 03, 2005, 07:27:11 PM
Released it to whom? It's not on their site and hasn't been sent to us.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: want2b on October 04, 2005, 08:45:36 AM
i have seen the schedule around campus with the players. it should be on their website real soon. they play in a tourney near boston with umass dartmouth, maine-ft. kent, and salve regina to start the season. catholic also hosts  eastern, suny-brockport and drew at their tourney in january. they play davidson 12/10 in n.c.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ESAD RIP on October 06, 2005, 01:13:14 PM
A frequent reader and poster to this site, ESAD, suddenly passed away yesterday of a massive stomach aneurysm.  He was a die hard Catholic fan who attended every game but more important was a great human being and big fan of DIII.  He will be missed.  Please say a pray for his family.
Steve Howes
Head Coach @Catholic
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 06, 2005, 02:10:37 PM
Oh my goodness ... and a big fan of the site as well. He passed too soon. We'll keep him in our thoughts.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on October 06, 2005, 02:56:49 PM
Some things are more important than sports. May God have mercy on his soul.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on October 06, 2005, 03:37:33 PM
Rest In Peace, Nelson (ESAD)...

He was a great fan of division 3 sports, and especially the CUA Cardinals.  Many of you I'm sure would recognize him even if you didn't know him.  CUA games won't be the same without him.  I'm going to have to double my efforts towards the refs now without Nelson's help!

I hope the Cards have a great season in his honor this year. Even though he wasn't an alum, he took great pride in CUA and their success on and off the court.  He really cared about the team and the players.  His presence will be missed.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: njlincolnlion on October 07, 2005, 09:51:01 AM
Condolences to the CUA Cardinals Basketball family and his family.    :(
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: want2b on October 14, 2005, 01:28:33 PM
good luck to all the squads. let the madness begin. hopefully th cards will have a great year
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: crazy_carl on October 14, 2005, 02:04:54 PM
Yes, the dawn of a new season is upon us.  Good luck to all the CAC teams.  Hopefully the chatter on the board will pick up a little now . . .
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on October 14, 2005, 02:11:17 PM
Yup, it's pretty quiet on the board for the eve of tryouts and practices. Time to come to life ... the season will be on us soon!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on October 14, 2005, 10:48:22 PM
Congratulations to former head coach Mike Lonergan, who is being inducted into the CUA Athletic Hall of Fame tomorrow.  His CUA career record was 251-88.  Below is a press release from UVM.

Release Date: 10-14-2005

UVM's Lonergan To Be Inducted Into Catholic U. Hall of Fame
Author: Bruce R. Bosley
Email: Bruce.Bosley@uvm.edu
Phone: (802)656-1109 Fax: (802)656-8328

BURLINGTON, Vt. - University of Vermont head men's basketball coach Mike Lonergan will be inducted into the Catholic University Athletic Hall of Fame this weekend. A 1988 alumnus of Catholic U., Lonergan is one of five inductees to be honored Saturday evening at Caldwell Hall on the Washington, D.C. campus.

A basketball standout for the Cardinals as an undergrad, Lonergan was the head coach of his alma mater for 12 seasons from 1992 to 2004. He led Catholic to seven consecutive NCAA Division III Championship appearances and nine overall from 1992 to 2004. The pinnacle of his time at the helm at Catholic was in 2001 when he guided the team to NCAA Division III National Championship, the school's first and only national title.


The school's all-time winningest coach, he compiled a 251-88 (.740) record during his tenure at Catholic and his squad's averaged nearly 25 victories per season over his last seven years. Lonergan's winning percentage is eighth all-time among Division III coaches.


Lonergan left Catholic U. after the 2003-04 season to become an assistant on Gary Williams' staff at Maryland. After a year with the Terrapins in the ACC he was hired at Vermont to replace Tom Brennan, who retired after 19 seasons at UVM.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on October 15, 2005, 04:47:18 AM
First of all, Congrats to Coach Lonergan for inducted into CUA's Hall of Fame. He deserved it.

At last, the basketball season had finally arrive from long vacation. Good Luck to all of the CAC teams.. Let's season begin.. Play Ball!

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cugrad on October 16, 2005, 02:05:43 AM
GO CARDS
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: jmccloskey on October 16, 2005, 10:55:12 PM
Personally, I'm looking forward to seeing what the new gym at York College looks like.  It'll definately be different not seeing them play in the kitchen (Wolf Gym) this year.

Go Spartans, Go!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on October 17, 2005, 11:19:19 AM
Any thoughts on the NCAA Division III men's tournament expand the field to 59 teams from last year's 48 teams? Give out your opinions...

I think it's great idea and give a lot of schools with good record a opportunity to get in the play off. I would like to see it expand in 64 or 65 teams in future but it's a great leap from 48 to 59.. Hope it would keep 59 teams instead of decrease or go back to 48.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on October 17, 2005, 05:03:10 PM
Well, hopefully, it will mean 2 CAC teams, at least some years.  Certainly, there have been situations where I think a CAC team would have benefited. This year could be one of them. York is obviously going to be the favorite, but I do think my Cards will be improved over last year, which was still a 20 win season. 

It is extremely difficult to get back to the Final Four.  The year after Catholic's success, the team was ranked #1 during the regular season but sort of fell apart under the late season pressure. Yes, I know that Pat Maloney wasn't on that team, but it was still very talented. But unlike the year before, where there seemingly was no pressure, everyone brought their A game to Catholic and never let up. York is going to be in that situation this year.  We have no reason to think they won't handle it, but you never know. 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dan Johnson on October 18, 2005, 06:05:11 AM
I don' think the York gym will be ready until mid season if at all.  At last check, it was going to be pushing it to even be in it all this year.  Go Spartans!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: want2b on October 18, 2005, 09:34:13 AM
since practice has just started, this would be a good time to get everyones opinion on who they believe should be on  the cac pre-season all confrence team if they had one.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: want2b on October 18, 2005, 09:44:11 AM
my choice would be lee from mary wash. haney from galli, bushey from york, sowden from cath, and odemura from sals
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on October 18, 2005, 11:55:55 AM
Hard to argue with the first 4, at least...
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on October 18, 2005, 01:17:03 PM
Argue? It sounds like last year's end of the year all-conference team with one of the 2 underclassmen on last year's 2d team moving up to replace the senior-POY  who graduated! Pretty safe forecast, I'd say.

The CAC women's honorary first team only had one senior last year, so you could probably make a safe forecast of who's "preseason" all conference there too.  But the women's POY didn't graduate.  :D
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cuguy on October 18, 2005, 06:06:06 PM
It was mentioned a bit back that CUA was playing Navy in the preseason. Is that a scrimmage or an exhibition? Anybody got any idea when and where?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on October 19, 2005, 12:57:43 AM
Well I know they did last year, but I don't know anything about that now. Sadly, esad used to fill me in on these things, but he's not longer with us...but I'm sure he'll be watching.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on October 19, 2005, 07:57:55 PM
The new York College arena won't be ready until the 2006 season so one more year at good old Wolf Gym. The new center is coming along but, unfortunately, won't be ready yet.
Once it is done, it will be the best facility in the conference. (of course, I am a little biased)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on October 20, 2005, 01:04:13 AM
Beside basketball for this weekend to a exciting and special family affairs football game.

In front page of the d3hoops.com's "brother", the d3football.com (http://d3football.com) website, it had a feature story on the Ricca brothers (QBs at Catholic and Hamden-Sydney) who will play against each other this weekend at Catholic University... Riccas hold multiple of schools record and State of Maryland High School passing records. It's VERY interesting and GREAT story for you all to read and/or attend to the game!!!

Click link of the story..   http://www.d3football.com/features.php

Probably the biggest tailgate in D-III football history this weekend at CUA. Support the Ricca Family!  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: want2b on October 25, 2005, 09:50:13 AM
catholics game against navy will be one of the games where the coaches can walk on the floor at any time and there are a zillion timeouts, the game against american is just like a regular game. at this point of the pre-season on paper at least, it looks like york and catholic will go deep into the post season. both teams have the majority of the starters returning and have good depth on the bench. any early thoughts who is the leading candidates for poy in the cac? 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cuguy on October 26, 2005, 12:22:42 AM
Thanks want2b-- sounds like CUA and Navy are scrimmaging then. Any idea when or where?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Coach C on October 26, 2005, 01:06:50 PM
want2b -

CUA deep into the post-season?  What post season? 

That would be a HUGE step up from last year and I am wondering what you would be basing the quantum leap in accomplishment from last year to this year.  I would think that a top 3-4 finish in the CAC would be in line, but how does that translate to deep into the post-season?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on October 26, 2005, 03:31:28 PM
How do you figure top 3-4 finish in the CAC???

This team finished 2nd last year and gave York a good game in the final. It wasn't like there was a huge gap between the two.  They graduated virtually no one.  Why would they REgress over last year?

They will unquestionably be better.  They had some guys that showed real improvement over the year, and they will be much, much stronger at point guard this year--they have the luxury of depth there, which was badly lacking last year.

They have three guys with good size, one of which will be a Player of the Year contender.  They have a good shooter who won't have to play the 1 this year.

There is no question that York will once again be the team to beat, but I think Catholic has narrowed the gap and it is quite reasonable to envision postseason play for them.  Now, DEEP...I don't know. We'll see.  But they should be contenders.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Coach C on October 26, 2005, 08:16:31 PM
Matt -

I didn't say they were going to regress.  But other teams might have improved more that CUA.  There is nothing shabby about being in the top 4 in a tight league and then winning it in the league tournament.   I dont see the 22 wins on the CUA schedule that a CAC team would need to make a Pool C big viable, so they will have to win the league to make post-season a reality. 

C
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: want2b on October 27, 2005, 08:35:17 AM
coach-   the crystal ball your looking in to must be a little hazy. other teams might have gotten better is a little cloudy at best. i know for a fact other teams have lost key contributers . cua and york had three great games last year  that could have gone either way. both teams have almost the entire starting team back and both have upgraded their bench strength. if i am not mistaken york went deep into the ncaa's. with both teams improving it not to much of a stretch to say they could both go deep into the tourney. good luck to both teams and to all the cac teams. let the madness begin.   
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Coach C on October 27, 2005, 08:59:16 AM
want2b -

York went deep into the NCAAs, but they also did better on their schedule than CUA did last year.  You can't just point to 3 games and say that they teams were pretty evenly matched.  How about the rest of the season?  There are at lest 2 other teams that will have improved over the off season.

C
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: muchacho on October 27, 2005, 12:58:48 PM
If you think that two teams have improved enough to be better than Catholic, then who are they. Without much knowledge of what teams are doing right now in the preseason, I think the conference will wind up looking like this.

1. YCP - Just 2 conference losses in '04-05. Lost only 1 contributing senior if I remember correctly.
2. CUA - Lost no starters. Aaron Kelly returns after last years season ending injury. He and a group of quality freshman provide Catholic depth that they lacked at guard last season.
3. UMW - Mike Lee and co. return...they can put up points in a hurry but need to get tougher as a team.
4.  SMC - Improved last year with a young team and small roster.
5.  MU - Still just a middle of the road team.
6. Goucher - Lost their 2 top players.
7. SAL -
8. GAL - Haney and Jackson still at Gallaudent I presume, but still lack the supporting cast to turn them into a competitive team.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on October 27, 2005, 04:55:35 PM
I don't mean to jump on you, Coach, its just that I'm not seeing who could have leap-frogged over CUA.  I think they're actually going to improve more than anyone else in the top half of the league.  They were 2nd last year, they may end up there again this year but it will be closer and they will win more games.  If they pulled 18 out last year in the regular season, its not a stretch to see them win 22 this year.

I think SMC probably will regress--they've lost their coach, their, uh, problem player didn't work out.  Mary Wash will be tough, Marymount---who knows? Its always a crapshoot.  Goucher is going to be worse than last year, I actually think Salisbury could be pretty decent, Gally--well...we'll see how well they can gel, but they are always dangerous.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on October 28, 2005, 12:23:16 AM
Well, the CAC is well represented in the first poll of the year, the Preseason Top 25.  York starts off at #6, and Catholic slips in at #25...quite a show of confidence that the Cards have improved.  The voters apparently followed my line of reasoning...that Catholic got better as the year progressed, didn't lose anything, and will have quite a bit more depth (and seasoning) this year. 

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: muchacho on October 28, 2005, 10:47:22 AM
Its nice to see that York got some good recognition for what they did last year and what they are returning. I think York heading deep in the Tourny last year helps make the Cards and the rest of the CAC look better.
Any word on when the 1st games for CAC teams are. November is just a few days away.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on October 28, 2005, 11:38:02 AM
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Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Coach C on October 28, 2005, 10:17:33 PM
Muchachoo -

My feeling, which is based on hearing a good bit about the teams involved, is that your 3-4 teams will be better than they were last year.  Mary Washington will be tough to beat at home and their 'spurtability' makes them a dangerous team on the road too.  SMC will be deeper and they will continue to improve.

Goucher still has one of the best coaches in the league.  (Whether or not you like him, they guy can coach.)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on October 29, 2005, 07:31:56 AM
There'll be some upsets.  York should lead the pack, but Catholic or Mary Washington should be up for the upset particularly at home.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on October 30, 2005, 06:52:22 AM
Then again, much of Mary Washington's height opted not to play, I'm told.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Coach C on October 30, 2005, 11:57:07 PM
Matt -

Didn't see your post before.  While a new coach generally struggles, I think that the changes at SMC will actaully improve the program this year.  For CUA, well let's see how it pans out, but I think they are not as talented as York and it's a strange league, someone alwyas comes out of the pack.  I am not a CUA basher by any measure, just calling it like i see it.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on November 01, 2005, 02:37:51 PM
Well, certainly Steve Howes didn't really struggle, of course, but he was already familiar with the system.

Perhaps SMC will be better for the long term, but their talent level didn't seem, to me, at least, to be on the cusp of really contending. Maybe they got some great freshman, I don't know, but I didn't see anything there that would lead me to put them over Catholic.

I know you aren't a CUA basher, I certainly don't want to accuse you of that.  I just see Catholic as the solid #2 team in the CAC this year, and one that will challenge for the league title, and I see a larger gap between York/CUA and the rest of the league than apparently you do.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Coach C on November 01, 2005, 03:18:19 PM
Matt -

Good thoughts!  Isn't it great to be on the verge of actual GAMES???

C
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on November 02, 2005, 01:17:21 AM
Indeed...for Catholic, Nov. 9 at American.  Day after election day for us Virginians, which means it will have been a late night for me (it remains to be seen how late, I think VERY late), but I'm going to try my best to be there anyway.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mlb on November 02, 2005, 12:34:07 PM
I am new to the CAC.  My son transferred to CUA this year from Randolph-Macon so I am curious about the league in general.  The ODAC was a highly competitive league from top to bottom.  The top 8 teams were nearly indistinguishable last year.

I am looking forward to the season starting and seeing some great basketball.  I know that CUA has a scrimmage scheduled tonight agains Frostburg State and then another on Saturday against Navy.

Anyone have any insight to how the pre-season is going and how the team feels about their chances?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on November 02, 2005, 03:19:45 PM
Nice to see you post up here!

I sent you an email with some thoughts. Welcome aboard!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 02, 2005, 03:30:18 PM
Honestly... based on each conference on a whole... the ODAC on a bad day is better than the CAC on a good day.

The CAC has a few teams on top every year... some straggling in the middle... and then two or three teams on the bottom everyone gets wins from (not that they can't upset a team or two).

I am surprised someone would transfer from a solid RMC program that is definetly going to be good this year (in a very well respected conference) to CUA which on paper should be good, but plays in an average to sub-par conference... which automatically means don't bet on a Pool C bid.

As for all of you CUA fans... you certainly have started early this year. I have to agree with Coach C. If one thing has been proven year in and year out, you can't look to the past seasons and what teams lost or didn't lose in the off season... to bet on the current season.

Sure, YCP and CUA lost almost no one, but that doesn't mean they are a sure bet. Now a HUGE target is on York... and CUA... your target got bigger as well. Its like the MNF game, while the Ravens certainly weren't the team they used to be, because it is a rivalry and because the Steelers are... the Steelers... it changes the game. YCP and CUA are going to be in for a dog fight with the rest of the conference this year.

- GOU, on paper looks like they have lost a lot, especially in the middle. But don't forget they still have two to three serious outside threats and players no one knows about yet (as do all teams). Can they eliminate the mid-season stumbles will be the question.
- SMC looks like they will be a wounded animal, but those tend to be the most dangerous teams. They came back last year to give the conference trouble, even with OUT their problem player. A new coach just might breathe new life into the team (see Notre Dame football this year and Maryland football a few years back for examples of that).
-  MWC is always tough no matter if they are as good as people think. And every team has to take a trip into their hot gym at least once a season.
- MMT... tough to say. Every year we expect something out this group, but once again are disappointed and embarrased by their problems. If they get it going, they are tough and CUA can talk about the times they should have won... but didn't against MMT.
- SAL... sleeper. This is a team that has the talent and has been quietly stalking the rest of the CAC for a few years. They are at that point were no one thinks they are anything, yet they have a senior and junior rich team... which means leadership, experience, and don't forget team chemistry. Don't be surprised if they are far better than anyone expects.
- GAL... the wild card. Gallaudet doesn't ever take teams lightly, never plays below 100%, and certainly travels well. They are the best defensive minded team and have the ability to simply out play every team in this conference (no matter who is on the floor). Take them lightly once, and you are looking for a reason you aren't in the tournament. One extra overall, regional, and conference loss will do that to a tournament hopeful.

Once again, this conference has to look at a tournament win to get to the big tournament. Congradulations to YCP on the Top-10 ranking (that was deserved) and CUA for the #25 spot (think that is high), but that doesn't do anything for this conference in the eye's of the NCAA committee. This is a weak conference and unless the top three teams can go with only three losses in the region and one in the conference... there is only one-bid coming out this year... once again.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on November 02, 2005, 04:50:38 PM
I agree with most of your analysis, D-Mac, other than how sure you are there will not be a Pool C.  Certainly, if this conference was capable of producing a Pool C bid a few years ago when MWC got the automatic, there is no reason to discount it so early this year.  There are some tough non-conference games (CUA even has a game against a good D1 team) that teams in the league have.

If York and CUA, for instance, have good seasons and basically only lose to each other (give or take an upset or two), whichever one loses would be a strong Pool C contender.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mlb on November 02, 2005, 05:45:49 PM
Matt, thanks, I will look for the e-mail.

I thought that the conference was weaker than the ODAC, but was looking for confirmation.

D-Mac - I must admit, I was disappointed with him transfering from a basketball vantage point, but the transfer was driven by career desires and the academic programs at Catholic.  Plus, I think that the D.C. area affords a great deal more life experience than does Ashland, Va.  He averaged more than 14 minutes a game last year as a freshman, played in every game and had okay stats.  The decision was driven by long term life desires, not basketball.  So, I disagree with you relative to your statement "why would anyone would leave an R-MC program
that was going to have a successful year".  He did it for the right reasons and is part of the reason he chose to play D III.

As to a Pool C bid, I am nieve and think that CUA should be focused on winning the CAC automatic bid.  If that fails, then they need to take care of business both within and outside the conference.

Thanks for the dialogue, I look forward to an exciting season.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 02, 2005, 06:12:41 PM
Matt... that should be the last[/i] time you refer to a D1 game on CUA's schedule and talking about Pool C bids (or for that matter, rankings in both the Top-25 and region). That D1 game means NOTHING when it comes to ranks and giving out Pool C bids. To be honest, in such a regionally strong influence to get into the NCAA Tournament, using one your official games as a D1 game is a waste of not only the game, but a chance to make a better influence on the committee. Win or loss, that game is just thrown out.

Also, it won't matter what tough non-conference opponent you may face (and looking through the schedule I see, what opponent would you be refering to? Maybe Susquehanna) they better be regional. CUA's schedule as 6 games out of region (including a weak starting tournament) and 6 games in region that aren't conference games. So... that means there are six games that for all intensive purposes... don't exist.

CUA isn't the only one at fault there... but I wouldn't call that a tough non-conference schedule that will benefit them in any way.

MLB - I understand your son's decision whole-heartedly. My quote about leaving was completely basketball related. And he reason to change is a great example of D3 ideals.

As for the Pool C, you are right... in every eligable conference in the nation, every team needs to concentrate on the automatic bid. Pool C needs to be an after-thought. And getting back to you Matt, you and many others were screaming about a Pool C bid the last few years and outside MWC, no one got it. The CAC is weak right now and more schools across the nation are going to deserve this bid at this point. Play for the championship first... think about the Pool C come February 27th.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on November 02, 2005, 07:47:51 PM
MLB:
Congratulations to your son for keeping the student part first in student-athlete
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: SherMan on November 03, 2005, 02:48:11 AM
NCAA Tournament 2005--York (CAC Champion) 90, Virginia Wesleyan (ODAC Champion) 80.  How many teams from each conference made the tournament?  I don't think  the ODAC overwhelms the CAC.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Coach C on November 03, 2005, 07:46:59 AM
MLB -

Both schools are terrific and both programs are solid, well-run and well-supported by the schools.  In terms of internships and post-graduation possibilities, DC is the place to be.  Ashland is very nice, but DC has WAY more to offer.

In general, I would say that the CAC is a weaker conference that the ODAC and wouldagre with most of Dave's points.  CUA's schedule is indeed disappointing and may serve to hurt them at selection time.  I think the only team assured of the NCAA tournament bid from either league is the champion.  I am not sure eiter league is a Pool C candidate in past years, but who knows this year.

C
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: eaglemaniac on November 03, 2005, 10:26:02 AM
Quote from: d-mac on November 02, 2005, 06:12:41 PM
That D1 game means NOTHING when it comes to ranks and giving out Pool C bids. A Tournament, using one your official games as a D1 game is a waste of not only the game, but a chance to make a better influence on the committee. Win or loss, that game is just thrown out.

Was there ever a time when playing a D1 game didn't count against a D3's total for games played in a season?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on November 03, 2005, 10:46:06 AM
D-Mac,
I know from past years that the D1 game doesn't count towards the tourney (though its great experience for them), but I would include Scranton as well as Susquehanna as contending teams.

I never complained about Pool C bids---but I guess you don't recall that Catholic got one in 2003!

There is no question that ODAC is stronger than the CAC, top to bottom.  But I think that you can argue that most years, the top 2 or so teams in the CAC are equal to the top 2 teams in the ODAC.

You are certainly right---play for the championship! I'm just saying that its a bit premature to completely close the door on it, which I'm sure you probably wouldn't do.

Can you give us any more about how Goucher looks this year?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 03, 2005, 11:43:44 AM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on November 03, 2005, 10:46:06 AM
There is no question that ODAC is stronger than the CAC, top to bottom.  But I think that you can argue that most years, the top 2 or so teams in the CAC are equal to the top 2 teams in the ODAC.

Actually, I don't think you can say that either. The years in which Randolph-Macon and Hampden-Sydney were the top two teams in the ODAC they were definitely head and shoulders above the top two teams in the CAC. Remember Catholic, the CAC champ, needed some rare homecourt officiating love in 2002 to beat HSC, the ODAC runner-up, in the tournament. That's the year in which they were most comparable, and that's CAC #1 against ODAC #2. CAC #2 is usually not going to be able to keep up with ODAC #2. Last year, in a year in which the ODAC had no national contenders, then CAC #1 was able to beat ODAC #1, but I wouldn't say the top two teams in the two conferences are equal in any of the years we've been covering D-III basketball. At best, a standout CAC #1 is on the same level as the ODAC #1.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 03, 2005, 11:44:45 AM
Quote from: d-mac on November 02, 2005, 06:12:41 PM
So... that means there are six games that for all intensive purposes... don't exist.

You don't have to be so intensive on the subject. Better to say "for all intents and purposes" -- which is what the phrase really is. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: muchacho on November 03, 2005, 01:29:18 PM
Regardless of who Catholic loses to in league they have to have a better out of conference record this year to lose in the CACs and get to the NCAAs.  mlb said there was a scrimmage with Frostburg last night...anybody have feedback on that?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 03, 2005, 05:47:10 PM
eaglemaniac - yes... the D1 game counts to your total games... but means nothing when it comes to regional records or allowing the team into the post-season. Plain and simple, that game would be better used against a solid non-conference, in-region opponent that will get recognition needed come February.

As for top teams in the CAC and the ODAC... Pat is right... except for last year, I can't think of one time where the top CAC teams could go toe-to-toe with the top of the ODAC. Yes, YCP won last year, but I would put money on the fact that if that game featured CUA instead, it might not have been the same result. At the same time, RMC and HSC are usually national contenders with a few other teams (i.e. Roanoke, VWU) that are competing in the ODAC. You would have to go pretty far back into the CAC archives to find two teams at the top that were national contenders. Even when CUA and GOU or GOU and YCP were on top... one of them wasn't considered a national power.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on November 03, 2005, 07:12:37 PM
UMW not very impressive in scrimmage yesterday.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mlb on November 04, 2005, 06:53:58 AM
Muchacho

I didn't see the Frostburg - CUA scrimmage.  I heard that CUA dominated and that Sowden was very impressive inside.  Other than that, no news. 

Did anyone actually see the "game"?

CUA vs. Navy in a scrimmage in Annapolis Saturday night.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on November 04, 2005, 12:02:54 PM
Pat/D-Mac...

Maybe you can answer this---I really don't know the answer.

How many difference conferences have had two different schools in the Final Four in the last 5-10 years? Have any won a national championship?

I would think that its not too many...
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 04, 2005, 01:05:24 PM
Off the very top of my head, the WIAC has had three schools in the Final Four in that time frame with two champions. The NJAC has had two schools in the Final Four in ten years with one champion. The NESCAC has had two schools in the Final Four with one champion.

I hope you're not trying to use that as your measure of ODAC v. CAC.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: John Rusnak on November 04, 2005, 03:09:17 PM
How do I post on here?  You know, when you go away to prison they should write a little manual that tells you about all of the technological changes that take place while you're away.  Thank goodness it's only 7 1/2 years and not 50!

Now that the season is approaching, I've been given computer access through March.

I don't even know where to begin, so let me just say that the top 25 is a little misconfigured.  York is not #6 for starters and CUA isn't 25, although I'd give the latter a little more of a shot at being realistic.

York had a nice run last year, but there's no way they will get the draw they had again...not with the additional teams in the tournament.  If...IF they can make it to the Sweet 16, I'd say be extremely happy and call it a day.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: John Rusnak on November 04, 2005, 03:10:19 PM
By the way, I hear this guy Scooter is going to join me in my cell.  It's been lonely since Martha left.  Who is this guy and what did he do?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on November 04, 2005, 03:20:16 PM
No.  I already told you that the ODAC is a stronger conference, top to bottom, anyway.  I'm not trying to make that argument.

But I was curious.  It has to say something that the CAC has produced two teams that have been able to get to the Final Four, doesn't it?  Certainly, the NJAC and NESAC are good compnay.

Catholic and York didn't get good enough to get there just by playing out of conference games.  Their league games clearly must have contributed to their success--if it was a lousy league, the level of competition wouldn't have been particularly good.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 04, 2005, 05:03:50 PM
Matt - You told us the ODAC was stronger???!!! Hmm... I must have forgotten my post and read yours instead.

Secondly, the interesting thing about the NESCAC, they had the two teams in the Final Four in the same year!!! They also had a representative in the Final Four I think three straight years (but at least two years in a row). And don't equate York's representation in the Final Four on the same level as getting two conference teams in there compared to the WIAC and others.

CUA and YCP got some luck on their side (as do many teams in the tournament). League games helped, but certainly did not set them up for the tournament completely.

First off, York had a pretty easy run to the Final Four. Not to take anything away from the accomplishment, but that was the easiest bracket I have seen since I started covering Division III Basketball.

Secondly (again), the WIAC, NESCAC, NJAC, and CCIW (among others) have much tougher roads and usually have to eliminate conference opponents to get to the Final Four... thus much harder brackets and less chance of another team moving on. York never faced a conference opponent... and CUA didn't in their marches to the Final Four.

Thirdly, if you think YCP was prepared to play the Final Four by playing Gallaudet, SMC, SAL, MMT, and GOU last year... your dreaming... or drinking :)! Or it completely explains why they lost both games in Salem by extremely large margins (though, they represented the conference very well and no one thought they didn't deserve to be there).

This league is in the bottom half... across the country in a region that is second-to-last ... last year copared to all the regions in the nation.

allfirst - good to see you back... though they have upgraded things recently here. No longer is this run with a hampster and a wheel. Where have you been? And York deserves a Top-10 placement right now... no question. They return EVERYONE. CUA as a Top-25... debatable right now.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 04, 2005, 05:24:47 PM
I can't say there's no question that York merits its Top 10 slot. They reached the final four but only because there was nobody in the bracket. It's pretty telling that York was ranked only #21 in the final Massey last year. The teams York beat on the road to Salem last year were #26 (VWC), #90 (WPI) and #42 (King's). Then they lost to the top two teams in the country. That doesn't prove much. They joined the list of 50-plus losses inflicted by Calvin and UWSP. Not very unique.

I think York's ascension is a matter of the fact that they have everyone back, and voters love that. They are more of a known quantity than schools who lost tons of points, rebounds, etc., from last year.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on November 04, 2005, 08:27:43 PM
Quote from: d-mac on November 04, 2005, 05:03:50 PM
Matt - You told us the ODAC was stronger???!!! Hmm... I must have forgotten my post and read yours instead.


Uh yeah, actually, I did.  Post #96, repeated below:


"There is no question that ODAC is stronger than the CAC, top to bottom..."


I think I agreed with you after your first post, too. 

Lets not start this already.

And d-mac, I'm sorry, luck only goes so far.  You shouldn't loop Catholic's and York's runs together.  Catholic beat an Ohio Northern Team that I believe was considered to be the best, or one of the top 3, teams in the country in the semis and a William Patterson team with the best player in the entire division in the finale. Good draws can only go so far--winning the thing answers those questions.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mlb on November 06, 2005, 04:03:23 PM
Well, I understand that the CUA boys got destroyed by Navy in their scrimmage last night.  It sounded bad.  I don't have any details and the scrimmage was closed.  I heard nothing good about the team as a result of scrimmaging the D-1 team.  I guess we will get to see how they are prepared for the season when they face American U. this week.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 06, 2005, 06:24:35 PM
Matt... uh... post #88 is as follows:

"Honestly... based on each conference on a whole... the ODAC on a bad day is better than the CAC on a good day."

But thanks for taking the credit!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on November 07, 2005, 12:04:08 AM
Well I certainly wouldn't want to take credit for that!  (And I wasn't aware I did.)

Well, for the record, you clearly were first to say that the ODAC was stronger!

Next time I'll try not to be so vocal about agreeing with you, lest anyone on here be fooled into thinking I'm some sort an expert.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: want2b on November 07, 2005, 09:55:49 AM
in regards to the cua/navy game, i heard that the team had numerous turn overs which killed them. besides that the team played pretty good. the inside game dominated with spierenberg, wheeler, dwyer, a new transfer student, and sowden showing very well. the guard had time where they were as good as any one and the outside shooting is coming around. as you said we will see how they do against another d-1 school american on wednesday night.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 09, 2005, 02:52:31 AM
YPSI:

RESEARCH.

YOUR INFO IS ON THE SITE.

LOOK AT IT BEFORE YOU POST NEXT TIME.

ALL THESE WORLDS ARE YOURS, EXCEPT EUROPA ... oh wait, different all-caps messages
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cugrad on November 09, 2005, 06:35:21 AM
Go Cards!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on November 09, 2005, 10:48:52 PM
American 71 Catholic 63

Great, great effort by the Cardinals.  They were extremely impressive, and really outplayed American in a number of areas.  They outshot American, outrebounded American, shot more free throws and had more assists.  The big difference in the game was 3 point shooting--that was really it.

The level of competition between the two teams was pretty close to even.  Certainly, it didn't appear that AU was in a different division than Catholic.  Considering their size and athleticism, it was remarkable how well CUA hung with AU--I kept waiting for AU to pull away and it never happened. In fact, Catholic actually closed to 64-60 with 90 seconds left.

Shane Sowden led Catholic with 21 points, including a number of pretty dunks, and 10 rebounds.  He's clearly at the Division I level at this point in his career and is going to have a huge year.  CUA did struggle to find shots, at times offense was erratic, and they didn't get very many open looks at the basket.  They turned the ball over 23 times and were a bit sloppy at times too.

But anytime you can outrebound and get to the line so much against a Division I team, its very good news. 

Still, its impossible not to be very optimistic about the depth and talent of Catholic after a game like that.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 09, 2005, 11:12:27 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 09, 2005, 02:52:31 AM
YPSI:

RESEARCH.

YOUR INFO IS ON THE SITE.

LOOK AT IT BEFORE YOU POST NEXT TIME.

ALL THESE WORLDS ARE YOURS, EXCEPT EUROPA ... oh wait, different all-caps messages

Pat, as far as I can find scrolling through the board, the last time I posted here was, approximately, never.  SO WHY ARE YOU YELLING AT ME?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on November 10, 2005, 09:08:40 AM
Congrats to Brandon Bushey of York on preseason All-American selection :D
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: muchacho on November 10, 2005, 11:49:48 AM
It looks like a pretty decent showing by Catholic last night. It was nice to see the new SID get the boxscore up on Catholic's website. Just from looking at that, it looks like Catholic would have been in it if they had shot better than 1-10 from the 3 point line. That isn't typical of a Catholic team.

I wonder if that will be the lineup Coach Howes goes with to start the season.  He gave Kelly the start at point as a senior, even though Wasilenko has been starting in previous years. It didn't look like Papageorge contributed much as a starter, but none of the stats from the bench guys looked impressive either. Looking forward to the season getting started.


Any other teams have results from an exhibition game or two?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 11, 2005, 02:39:07 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 09, 2005, 11:12:27 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 09, 2005, 02:52:31 AM
YPSI:

RESEARCH.

YOUR INFO IS ON THE SITE.

LOOK AT IT BEFORE YOU POST NEXT TIME.

ALL THESE WORLDS ARE YOURS, EXCEPT EUROPA ... oh wait, different all-caps messages

Pat, as far as I can find scrolling through the board, the last time I posted here was, approximately, never.  SO WHY ARE YOU YELLING AT ME?

Your question was so inane I took it down.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 12, 2005, 12:56:53 AM
Pat,

I'm totally at sea as to what question (given some of the others on the overall site) would have been SO inane as to prompt that response.  Do you recall what it was?

Granted, most of the other 'dumb' questions are by 'rookies', and you SHOULD hold a long-timer to a higher standard - but I honestly cannot recall what I could have asked that set you off.  Not being argumentative (for a change ;D), just curious.

Feel free to respond here or privately.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: jmccloskey on November 12, 2005, 08:52:26 PM
Anyone on here know if the new gym at YCP will be ready for the home opener?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dan Johnson on November 12, 2005, 10:59:48 PM
As has been covered in earlier posts...York's new gym will not be ready until next season.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 13, 2005, 11:16:10 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 12, 2005, 12:56:53 AM
Pat,

I'm totally at sea as to what question (given some of the others on the overall site) would have been SO inane as to prompt that response.  Do you recall what it was?

Granted, most of the other 'dumb' questions are by 'rookies', and you SHOULD hold a long-timer to a higher standard - but I honestly cannot recall what I could have asked that set you off.  Not being argumentative (for a change ;D), just curious.

I don't remember either, but it was so inane I pulled it so that it wouldn't infect other people. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 13, 2005, 11:34:03 PM
OK, I concede!  It was inane enough that I have NO clue what it was!

But if NO one can recall what it was, where's the guarantee I won't ask it again?! ;D ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: seahawks on November 14, 2005, 09:45:05 AM
Results from St. Marys scrimmage:

St. Mary's- 69
Florida International- 72

Seahawks showed well in thier first exhibition game of the season against a much bigger and stronger FIU team.  Seahawks were led by newcomers Tyson Lesesne and Spencer Way III, both played extremely well.  Sophomore guard TJ Jordan also played well on both sides of the ball.  St. Marys had a chance down by three with 2 seconds to go but were unable to get a good look at the basket.         
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: muchacho on November 14, 2005, 12:03:12 PM
FIU is a DII school I think. Anybody know about this for sure?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: seahawks on November 14, 2005, 12:11:59 PM
FIU is a division I team in the Sun Belt conference.  Pre season picked to finish second in the east division.  Teams on their schedule this year include notre dame, michigan state, and George washington. 

http://www.fiusports.com/basketballm/releases/111205.htm


Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cugrad on November 14, 2005, 03:40:44 PM
That's an impressive showing for St. Mary's! Anybody else scrimmage?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mlb on November 14, 2005, 06:41:05 PM
CUA starts their season for real next Friday against Salve-Regina in the Hampton Inn Classic.  Does anyone know anything about this team or this tournament?

I don't know any of the names.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: muchacho on November 16, 2005, 09:37:35 AM
Google found me this page about the Hampton Inn Classic.

http://www.umassd.edu/sports/mensbasketball/0506/hamptoncover.cfm

Catholic opens up with Salve Regina. Tournament host Mass-Dartmouth plays Fort Kent...a Maine school that is Division II NAIA.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on November 16, 2005, 09:54:33 AM
Hmm.
Well I hope CUA plays UMass-Dartmouth on Day 2 then, otherwise that game isn't going to count for anything.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mlb on November 16, 2005, 09:27:09 PM
I am curious to see what kind of talent these teams bring to the table.  It's hard to tell if you don't play any of the competition or know of them or their conferences.

Salve-Regina was an "under .500" club last year, as was U-Mass Dartmouth.  Fort Kent - Maine is a D-II school that was also around .500.  That means nothing if the competition was better.

It looks like CUA is the "biggest" team size-wise of the group, but the other teams may be quicker and apply more defensive pressure.  It's just weird knowing so little about an upcoming opponent.

If anyone has any first hand insight, I would be interested.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 17, 2005, 01:33:36 AM
Be sure to head over to the Multi-Regional Topics Board and select your team for the new Survivor Pool!  :D

You might actually win something!  ;D

Deadline is Friday before the first game's tipoff
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on November 18, 2005, 12:43:19 PM
Tonight's season opening at 6pm, Gallaudet Bison will play against Waynesburg College in Hampton Inn Coaches vs Cancer Tip-Off at Mt. Aloysius College. After that, at 8pm, host Mt. Aloysius will play against Franciscan University (Ohio).

Let's Play Ball once again. Good Luck to all CAC teams tonight and upcoming week.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on November 18, 2005, 08:33:47 PM
Mary Wash 64
Southwestern TX 50

LEXINGTON, VA - Junior guard Justin Baker scored 22 points and added ten rebounds, both game highs, as the University of Mary Washington men's basketball team opened the 2005-06 season with a big 64-50 win over Southwestern (TX) University on Friday evening in the Washington & Lee University Tipoff Tournament. Southwestern was ranked #13 in the nation by DIII News in its preseason poll, and received 93 votes in the D3Hoops preseason poll. The Eagles also got 15 points from junior guard A.J. Fitzgerald and 13 points from Mike Lee.
For the game, UMW held Southwestern to just 33.3% shooting from the floor, and their All-American guard, Aaron Bowser, to just 5-20 shooting. Fitzgerald also added seven rebounds and five assists for UMW.
The Eagles will face the winner of Friday's second game between W&L and Manhattanville on Saturday at 8 pm in the tournament championship.

BOX, PLAY-BY-PLAY:
http://athletics.umw.edu/mbk/0506/umwmb-01.htm
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: eaglefan on November 18, 2005, 09:17:34 PM
 Just figuring this out.  Nice job EAGLES! 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: eaglefan on November 18, 2005, 09:21:26 PM
 Just figuring this out.  Nice job EAGLES!!  and Clint!!!  Understand Catholic is a force to be reckonned with with this year.  Go CAC!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on November 18, 2005, 09:44:37 PM
Game 1 of the Hampton Inn Classic at UMass Dartmouth

#25 Catholic 72 Salve Regina 55


Catholic will play the winner of UMass-Dartmouth and Maine-Fort Kent tomorrow.

Haven't seen a box score yet to see who did what.

MLB: Actually, Salve Regina was 16-10 last year.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on November 18, 2005, 09:49:28 PM
Final from Dickinson Pizza Hut Tip Off Tournament
York 74-DeSales 60

Chad McGowan has a game-high 26 points while Kenny Fass adds 12. McGowan, Fass, and Brian Singer lead York with five boards each. The Spartans go 9-for-16 from three including Joe Yeck recording a perfect 3-for-3 night from downtown.
York faces Dickinson in the championship game on Saturday.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on November 19, 2005, 08:14:09 AM
Fredericksburg Free Lance Star preseason story on UMW:

http://fredericksburg.com/News/FLS/2005/112005/11182005/146777

"The men's team is facing several hurdles in its quest to post a winning season, including inexperienced post players and installing a new offense in a short period of time."
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on November 19, 2005, 11:09:46 AM
Result from Mount Aloysius College..

Gallaudet - 89
Waynesburg - 95
Halftime: 45-37, Waynesburg

Haney, Jr- 35 points (8-10 FT), 13 rebounds (11 offensive).
F. Jackson had 23 points (9-14 FG), 8 rebounds. Along with other two double digits in scoring.

Key for Waynesburg's winning was over 60% FG in whole game and almost perfect free-throw by shooting, 19-21. Gallaudet had a bad start, they were behind 20-9 then came back but was down by 8 at half. They was also down by 18 at one point in second half and almost came back. Only thing that stop us from came back is the game clock.

Gallaudet will play against Franciscan University at Coaches vs Cancer Tip-Off today.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on November 19, 2005, 11:58:54 AM
Catholic plays UMass-Dartmouth today at 3 in the final of the Hampton Inn tournament.

CUA fans who want to listen to the game live can do so here:

http://www.umassd.edu/sports/mensbasketball/0506/hamptoncover.cfm

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: VJC SID on November 19, 2005, 03:55:13 PM
Scores from Pride of MD Tournament on Friday.

From JHU

McDaniel 72
Frostburg 69

JHU 76
Salisbury 61

From Goucher

Washington 90
Hood 81

Villa Julie 73
Goucher 68
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: VJC SID on November 19, 2005, 03:56:37 PM
Pride of MD Tournament Day 2

Hood 71
Goucher 59
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on November 19, 2005, 05:38:07 PM
Catholic 75   UMass Dartmouth 58

Shane Sowden led the way with 17 points.  Catholic led 51-27 at the half and got a chance to play some of the new guys.

CUA wins the Hampton Inn Classic.  Next up is Haverford on Tuesday night, and then a good challenge against Scranton on Saturday.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on November 19, 2005, 06:17:42 PM
Matty L...
In midseason posting form already.
Thanks, brother.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mlb on November 19, 2005, 10:20:13 PM
Actually a nice game for the CUA team.  They got the chance to play a lot of players, but Howes' standard rotation will be 10 deep this year.

The team struggled last night against Salve-Regina.  They were a very physical team and CUA seemed a bit flat.  They couldn't get past the 10 point lead mark until there were about 12 minutes left in the game.

Tonight, against a much better UMD team, CUA came out and just out played them.  UMD lost their number one player last night (Chris Lappiore) to a knee injury.  Couldn't tell how bad it really was, but wouldn't be surprised if it was a season ending ACL.  UMD was clearly affected, but I am not sure that it would have made a difference.

CUA was up by 30 and then the game got sloppy.  The officials kind of swallowed their whistles and I thought some players were going to get hurt.  The 17 point win is a little misleading.

Good guard play both nights.  Tonight they had 31 baskets on 27 assists.  The team is playing really well together for this early in the season and their defense was great.

It should be a good year to watch CUA basketball for those who are fans.  Shane Sowden is a very talented player who could stand out if he chose to.  He chooses to share the spotlight with a lot of very good players.

All in all, it was a good opening weekend for the Cardinals.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on November 19, 2005, 10:38:17 PM
Manhattanville 78, Mary Washington 74

The University of Mary Washington men's basketball team held a 72-68  lead late into the game, but Manhattanville College scored ten of the game's final twelve points to defeat the Eagles, 78-74, on Saturday night in the championship of the Washington & Lee University tipoff tournament.

Sophomore guard Justin Baker of Mary Washington was named the tournament MVP in defeat, as scored 26 points and added nine rebounds, after scoring 22 and grabbing ten boards in Friday's game. A.J. Fitzgerald was also named to the all-tournament team, as he scored 21 points on Saturday.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on November 19, 2005, 11:57:10 PM
Result from 2nd day Coaches vs Cancer Tip-Off tournament at Mt. Aloysius College..

Franciscan (Ohio) -  66
Gallaudet (1-1)    -  100
Halftime: GU led 56-18

Jackson - 20 pts (8-13 FG)
Haney, Jr. - 18 pts (6-9 FG)
Babatunde - 12 pts
2 of the Bison PGs had combinated of 17 assists, 9 and 8 each.

   Our defense play much better today. It was great compare to last game, we won the boards and had 22 steals compare to Franciscan's only 2 steals against us. We shot 50% FG in whole game, Franciscan shot just 8-31 (25.8%) in just first half alone. All of the players did play in the game. We lead by 40 points in most of the game.
   In total of two tournament games, the Bison offense average 94.5 ppg while defense allowed 80.5 ppg despite bad defense performance in season opener. At least, they bounce back to it's old form by allowed just 66 points (esp. 18 in first half!). Gallaudet Bison improved it's record to 1-1.

Next game on November 22nd, the Bison will host Penn State - Berks at home for first time this season in it's own noisy Field House.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: seahawks on November 20, 2005, 12:25:20 AM
SMC wins their first game of the year against the University of Redlands from southern california.  Redlands plays a unique brand of basketball, attempted 84 three point field goals in the game and basically appears to have played dummy defense.  SMC posted 142 points with 4 players with 20+.  SMC hosts McDaniel on tuesday..... 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on November 20, 2005, 12:53:38 AM
That must have been something to see.  Its tough for a team not used to seeing that to be ready for it. Must have been a thrill to put up that many points!

Clint, yeah, I'm ready to go this year, I think CUA is going to make some noise this year so I'm looking forward to it.  Nice to see you're up and active so early also.  As always, appreciate the updates on Mary Wash.

Thanks MLB for the skinny on the two games.  Obviously not the highest level of competition but its nice to see two good outings, especially if you're saying CUA wasn't really firing on all cylinders in game 1.  The thing that stuck out of the box score from today's game for me was Aaron Kelly's 7 assists and 0 turnovers.  He's such a steady, unselfish player who was REALLY missed last year.  He makes the other 4 guys on the court a lot better.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on November 20, 2005, 05:29:17 AM
Even though YCP had to play w/o Brandon Bushey they played good D while waiting for the points to come. We did get an idea of what the team will look like when Chad McGowan is the floor leader as he put up 16 pts 13 rbs and 5 blocks. As always York played a team game and even got some of the Freshman involved. Howard and Frye look like they will both become part of the regular rotation as the season unfolds and Paddy Lee would have seen more time if he didnt get into foul trouble. Tough one coming up on Tuesday as we open the last season in the Kitchen.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on November 20, 2005, 09:25:21 AM
Kitchenrat...
possibly the best handle on this site.

Looks like YCP and CUA have a ton of depth. That is huge at this level.

(Wait)... I think St. Mary's just scored another bucket. Wow!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 20, 2005, 02:35:15 PM
Quote from: mwcsid on November 18, 2005, 08:33:47 PM
Mary Wash 64
Southwestern TX 50

LEXINGTON, VA - Junior guard Justin Baker scored 22 points and added ten rebounds, both game highs, as the University of Mary Washington men's basketball team opened the 2005-06 season with a big 64-50 win over Southwestern (TX) University on Friday evening in the Washington & Lee University Tipoff Tournament. Southwestern was ranked #13 in the nation by DIII News in its preseason poll, and received 93 votes in the D3Hoops preseason poll.

Yeah, well, what does DIII News know?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: VJC SID on November 20, 2005, 02:40:20 PM
Pride of Maryland Last Day Score
7th & 8th place game

Salisbury 83  (1-2)
Goucher 70  (0-3)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mlb on November 20, 2005, 02:54:15 PM
Matt

Good catch on the Aaron Kelly stat line.  A.K. should have been named to the all-tourney team.  I know that defense doesn't usually get much attention, but he shut down the top scorer for Salve-Regina and frustrated a leading scorer for UMD.

There were lots of little things that CUA can and should do better.  They will have to if they want to be competitive in the conference.  However, one thing that doesn't have to improve is A.K.'s intensity and defensive pressure.  It set the tone for both games.

As to the assist mark, all the kids have their heads up and eyes open.  These guys like playing with each other and are generally good passers.  It generated a lot of easy baskets.

It will be a good test this week.  Haverford will give them a tough game at home and the kids have to re-group after a long weekend and long trip back.  Then they get a couple days off and have to face Scranton.  This will be a tough game after the Holiday break.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mlb on November 20, 2005, 03:01:23 PM
One more comment

I haven't seen the league games yet, but I am perplexed by the lack of respect that this league gets relative to some others.  Obviously, I am familiar with the ODAC and I attended a CCIW school.  The CUA team would compete in either league.  I don't think they would fare as well against Illinois Wesleyan, but when IWU is playing well, there aren't many teams in the country that can match them.

CUA - at least as it's roster is comprised this year - would easily compete with the top level ODAC teams - Virginia Wesleyan, R-MC and Hampden Sydney.  Yet it appears that CUA isn't the top team in the conference - York is.  Mary Washington also seems to be a strong team.  I understand that the "worst" team in the CAC may be weaker than the "worst" team in the ODAC, but I don't think that alone warrants the lack of respect. 

I know everyone says that York's road to the Final Four was "easy" last year, but at the end of the day they beat the teams put in front of them.  Catholic had to do the same thing when they won the whole thing 4 years ago.  If a conference has a two final four teams in a span of 5 years and one national championship, it can't be that bad.

It will be interesting to see as the year progresses.  After I get some actual "experience" under my belt I can comment more.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on November 20, 2005, 03:31:52 PM
Amen! Nobody is saying this is one of the best conferences in the country, but...there are teams here that could compete in any conference, and at this very, very early juncture it would appear that there are two legitimate, quality teams that will be strong contenders for postseason play.

Now, it so happens that apparently Goucher isn't one of them....but its a long season and things can change.

I have always enjoyed watching Aaron Kelly play, and I'm glad he's getting so many minutes and stepping up here in his senior season.  I think his absence from the team last year hurt more than some realized when he first went down.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on November 20, 2005, 05:41:49 PM
Pat -
It just seemed more impressive than "93 votes", but I guess that's better than none, which we'll get this week.  :(
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mlb on November 20, 2005, 09:01:45 PM
Here's a link for anyone who's interested in last night's CUA game.

http://www.southcoasttoday.com/daily/11-05/11-20-05/e01sp971.htm


Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cuainfo on November 20, 2005, 09:23:13 PM
Here is another article on Catholic's win Saturday.
http://heraldnews.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=15609490&BRD=1710&PAG=461&dept_id=99784&rfi=8
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on November 20, 2005, 11:33:17 PM
Well, from the results of the Pride of Maryland tourney, Catholic is going to have its hands full when it heads up to Villa Julie in early December.  They improved immensly last year, obviously the trend has continued.  They beat Hopkins today to win the event.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on November 21, 2005, 09:48:51 AM
I really cant speak to where the CAC stands vs the rest of the nation, but I can tell you that i dont think a CAC all star team could have won against UWSP last year and York kept their heads up and played hard nosed ball for 40 min. All i know is that All 8 teams have to play the games vs one another and then try and add some out of conference tournys and games to try and impress those who want to look down on the CAC. I don't know if Virge Wes, WPI, or Kings thought more of the CAC after their games with York last year or not, but I think the conference is poised to represent well this year with so much talent back at many schools and another year of experience under their belts.

All of you who live in the DC area mush remember Marylands senior laden championship run with talent that most people said was in the bottom half of the ACC, there is no reason to think that the York squad or the CUA team couldn't have that type of season this year.

Until the CAC games start I am really pulling for all of the CAC schools to do well so we can stop having to justify our teams performances when they go up against other more historically strong conferences.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: muchacho on November 21, 2005, 10:02:17 AM
The Pride of Maryland tournament looks like its a great idea. News of the attendance didn't seem so great, but I like seeing all those Maryland schools go at it. Unfortunately for people who want to see an improvement in the overall depth of the CAC, Salisbury and Goucher were the 7th and 8th place teams in the tournament.

Its impressive to see Villa Julie win that tournament. They were amazingly terrible for a long time, but seem to be doing well. I remember CUA struggled to beat them 74-69 at Dufour last season. I remember Villa Julie playing harder than Catholic in the 2nd half, but coming up just short. That was also the game Kelly was lost for the year.  Letourneau, you are probably right on that VJ will not be a pushover.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: muchacho on November 21, 2005, 10:15:18 AM
Through the first weekend of games, the CAC's record is 9-9. Not awful, but not a sign of a strong conference either. I think everybody is with you kitchenrat in pulling for CAC wins before conference play begins.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Coach C on November 21, 2005, 01:03:58 PM
9-9 isn't bad either.  After a few weeks we will see what the SOSI looks like for those teams, but I can tell you that there were WAY worse conference results after the first weekend.

C
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on November 21, 2005, 01:29:50 PM
And if you take out Goucher...

;D

(just kidding, D-Mac.)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: muchacho on November 21, 2005, 01:41:13 PM
QuoteAnd if you take out Goucher...

Then the record is 8-6. Salisbury would lose a win if Goucher results were taken out. I don't see it happening, but it would be interesting if Goucher and Salisbury managed to play in the CAC tournament, and match up for a 4th time this season.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on November 21, 2005, 03:56:50 PM
Yes.    In 1999,  CUA and Goucher saw each other 4 times...twice in the regular season, CAC tourney, and NCAA tourney.  CUA won the first game at Goucher, then lost the home regular season game, lost the CAC Championship against Goucher, also at home...

Then got an at-large bid to the NCAA's, and a week or so later beat Goucher on the road in the 2nd round.

This led to all sorts of jokes about DuFour being SRC South and vice versa.  Most of that has gone by the board these days.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on November 21, 2005, 04:39:20 PM
Hehehe. From the news articles...

"Outside of the rule that states both halves of a basketball game must be completed, there really was no need for the second half of Saturday's Hampton Inn Classic's championship game to be played.
By the break, Catholic University had emphatically demonstrated who was the boss and an hour later it became official when the Cardinal captains accepted the championship trophy from UMass Dartmouth Athletic Director Robert Mullen at center court of the Tripp Athletic Center."


"The Cardinals' bevy of big men scored at will inside and their very quick guards either lit it up from the outside or penetrated easily and either scored or dished to one of the towers for points..."

"When the players left the floor at the end of 20 minutes,Catholic held a 51-27 lead and had connected on a ridiculous 71.4 percent of its shots from the floor (20-28)."

"The only positive for the Corsairs was on the offensive boards, where they held a 5-3 edge, mainly because the Cardinals didn't miss often enough."

"They're a very good team," said Baptiste of the Cardinals. "They're solid inside. They're a big team, a quick team and they can shoot the 3. They had all the pieces of the puzzle."


Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on November 22, 2005, 09:11:19 AM
Check One, Check Two.

Gearing Up for the Season and making sure all systems are a go.

Sad news from UMW as Senior Jon Hurd will not be eligible for this season....meaning more pressure on Lee and Fitzgerald to score.....also a huge question mark is the bench play....I'm sure Wood will have a competitive bunch on all fronts...

Also, Josh Wilson not on the roster either
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Coach C on November 22, 2005, 10:11:42 AM
mwgoonie -

Whats the story on Hurd?

C
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on November 22, 2005, 11:31:40 AM
I am surprise to hear about Hurd... but what about Bushey's injury? How did he get injury during the game? Congrats to McGowan for getting the first CAC Player of the Week.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on November 22, 2005, 08:18:55 PM
Halftime from York...

YCP 39-Gettysburg 34
Another tight York-Gettysburg battle.

Chad McGowan has 12 points while Nate Fry has eight and Kenny Fass has seven.

Erik Fromm has 12 for the Bullets.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cuabigdog on November 22, 2005, 09:14:34 PM
Catholic U improves to 3-0 , 0-0 with thier victory tonight over Haverford  86-66 ...next game is at 4:00pm on Sat vs Scranton U.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on November 22, 2005, 09:44:56 PM
Final from YCP:

York 89-Gettysburg 80

Details to follow later.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on November 22, 2005, 09:55:52 PM
Nice game by Catholic tonight.  For comparison, CUA scored 85 or better points only 3 teams all season last year.  This was hardly tis team's best effort, they were a bit sloppy (particularly the guards), but the big guys had great games.  Sowden and Wheeler looked great, Dwyer was solid and Baker and Spirenberg had some quality minutes.

I'll post up some stats later.  The only reason the game was even a 20 point game was because Haverford's senior point guard nailed a handful of NBA (at least) 3's.  Tough kid.  Other than that, CUA's size and quickness wore Haverford down.  They made a late surge but the Cardinals answered.

Guard Evan Yarborough, a freshman, shows a lot of promise.  Very quick.  Fumai had a nice game, Papageorge was off and didn't hit much.

Very tough test against a Scranton team that beat Catholic last year ahead.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: smcmsid on November 22, 2005, 11:23:57 PM
Final from St. Mary's...

McDaniel       85     (2-2)
St. Mary's      96     (2-1)

Sophomore guard Tyson Lesesne posted game-highs with 28 points and 12 rebounds in leading the Seahawks to the victory. He also added seven assists and six steals. Sophomore guard T.J. Jordan added 19 points for the Seahawks. Junior guard Valdez Preston added 14 points and nine rebounds while junior forward Spencer Way III contributed with 12 points, five rebounds, and four assists.

Senior guard Mike Dipiero scored 16 points with a game-high eight assists in leading the Green Terror. Senior guard Will Talesnick added 15 points while Hunter posted 12 points.  Daniel contributed with ten points on 3-of-6 shooting with four rebounds while freshman guard Ryan Finch scored seven points and grabbed a team-high nine rebounds.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on November 22, 2005, 11:25:00 PM
Details from York...
The Spartans were led by Kenny Fass as the senior again came up big for the green and white with 21 points, six rebounds, and two steals. Fass was 8-for-9 from the floor including 3-for-3 from beyond the arc. He also converted his two free throw attempts. Nate Fry and Chad McGowan each added 19 points for YCP. Fry's 19 points establish a new career high in just his third collegiate game. He also had two rebounds and three steals. Fry was 7-for-9 from the floor and 5-for-6 from downtown. McGowan, the reigning CAC Player of the Week, had five rebounds, two assists and a steal in addition to his 19 points. McGowan went 7-for-8 from the charity stripe for the green and white. Brad Zerfing was the four Spartan in double figures with 10 points, four assists, and no turnovers in 26 minutes of action.

Game Box
http://www.ycp.edu/sports/mens_basketball/2005/YCPMBB03.HTM
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on November 22, 2005, 11:35:50 PM
Result from Washington, DC..

Penn State Berks - 63
Gallaudet Bison - 74

Gallaudet win two games in row, and improving to 2-1 record.

More information will come up later.


Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on November 23, 2005, 12:24:09 AM
Anyone happen to notice tonight's results (brought to my attention by a staff member)....

CAC 4-Centennial 0
YCP (Gettysburg), CUA (Haverford), SMC (McDaniel), and SAL (Washington) all record victories over a Centennial opponent.

Good job CAC
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on November 23, 2005, 11:33:48 AM
Bison win first home game of the season...

Penn State Berks - 63
@Gallaudet (2-1) - 74
Halftime: GU 41-32

The tandem of Robert Haney, Jr and Frank Jackson along with others lead the Bison to it's second straight win overall and first home win of the season. Jackson led the way with 23 points and 11 rebounds included a nice inside dunk in the traffic at first half. Haney, Jr. came along with similar numbers, 21 points and 10 rebounds with a thunderous drive that end up into a powerful one-hand dunk which lift the momentum of the crowd rest of the game. Bison shot 45% from the field, and 6-13 (46%) from three points land. Bison's frenzy defense allowed only 37% FG along with 22% 3-Points to Penn State Berks. Penn State Berks is a talent, and young team that have future. They had three good freshmen guards that came from same high schools (sound similar situation to UMW's Lee and Fitzgerald) in PA along with experience upperclassmen. They are very good balance scoring and rebounding team this season accord to their stats. Last night, Gallaudet won the rebounds battle by 9, 48-39.

Bison improving to 2-1 record before Thanksgiving. They will host annual Gallaudet Holiday Tournament that featured three other teams this weekend right after Thanksgiving. Gallaudet will host against John Jay. While Hood College will play against Widener in other game.

Correct me if I'm wrong, it's great to know that all CAC teams won last night except for Marymount right before the Thanksgiving. Maybe we should be thankful for that. ;)

At last, Happy "early" Thanksgiving to everybody. Enjoy! :)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mlb on November 23, 2005, 05:57:43 PM
It's nice to see the CAC faring well.  Pat C., if you read this, it would be great to see some form of "conference" evaluation - record vs. out of conference schools (like they do at the D I level as they start to get into league play and talk about NCAA bids).  I know that the region record is supposed to provide that type of information on a "by team" basis, but I have never seen anything formalized by conference.

Matt L. is right about Catholic.  It's a nice team, but needs to improve a lot to beat Scranton on Saturday.  I think that the team has a lot of potential - it is deep at virtually all positions and they are still missing a couple of pretty good players who have been out with injury.

They are 5 deep across the frontline and equally deep in the backcourt.  With the addition of the two injured kids, they will be able to play multiple types of games - fast break, pound it inside, penetrate and dish, etc.  There are not too many teams that can do that with their starting five, let alone compete equally well with a second five.  Best part is that the kids get along great and no one complains about playing time - everyone is focused on the team.  That shows some great leadership by the kids, especially Shane Sowden. 

I'm looking forward to a great year.  Now, all they have to do is solve some of the simple problems - better free throw shooting, better rebounding and better weak side rotation on dribble penetration.

Sorry for the "fan coaching" interlude.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on November 23, 2005, 08:03:23 PM
John Hurd seems to be having issues with eligiblity.....
Seems, from what I hear, that his former coach from Christopher Newport was a bit digruntled over his departure to UMW and raised some complaints against his eligiblilty...


On other fronts, Justin Baker has been looking good
A.J Fitzgerad has found his shot....
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on November 25, 2005, 11:05:45 PM
First day of Gallaudet Holiday Tournament.

6pm game:
John Jay (0-3)   - 54
Gallaudet (3-1) - 65   (Halftime- GU 29-24)

8pm game:
Widener (4-0) - 72
Hood (2-3)      - 62   (Halftime- Hood 36-31)

Hood and John Jay will play in the consolation tomorrow while Gallaudet (3-1) will play against Widener.. The rematch of Holiday Tournament championship game two years ago, which Widener beat the Bison.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cuainfo on November 26, 2005, 06:11:37 PM
Catholic 72   vs. Scranton 63 Final
Halftime 35                        34

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on November 26, 2005, 08:31:19 PM
Championship game of Gallaudet Holiday Tournament...

Gallaudet (3-2) - 61
Widener (5-0)    - 66

Halftime: 36-32 Widener
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on November 26, 2005, 10:49:47 PM
Great win for the Cardinals tonight in a very good game.  Hopefully they have silenced their critics who didn't think they were a Top 25 team.  Today's performance proves they belong there.

Scranton took a 34-30 lead with 2:00 left in the 1st half and never led again.  Catholic came out of halftime strong and built a 9 point lead, Scranton got it all the way down to 52-51 with around 5:00 left, but Catholic pulled away from that point led by great team defense that drew 21 turnovers.  In the 2nd half, CUA had a 10-2 turnover advantage.

Catholic also did an excellent job of getting to the line--26 times in the 2nd half.  Now Scranton's coach and fans began grumbling about the foul discrepancy (which ended up 27-17, really not that much considering Scranton fouled on purpose at the end when they were trailing to put Satalin on the line), but the bottom line is that Scranton settled for a lot of jump shots whereas Catholic was consistantly driving to the basket.  You aren't going to get to the line unless you make an effort, when you take a lot of jump shots and turn the ball over 21 times I don't see why you'd expect to be shooting a lot of free throws.

Catholic won despite not getting standout performances from their stars. Pat Satalin had a tough night from the floor (0-8) but was absolutely money from the free throw line (12-12), he finished the game with 10 made free throws in a row.  Sowden had 10 points but was well guarded by Scranton's big men, and the CUA guards had difficulty getting him the ball.  Dwyer had a few more looks and had 14.  I think the real star of this game was Fumai, who in addition to 16 points played great defense and prevented Scranton from getting the outside looks that they had in the first half when they were 5-6 from 3.

9 CUA players had more than 10 minutes, which is a great testament to their depth.  They ran pretty well and made some nice adjustments.

So overall, a big regional win for Catholic.  They've got the annual visit to Mary Wash coming up this Wednesday, so that will be a major league challenge. Anything can happen down there and I'm sure that Goolrook will be packed with 100 or so people (just kidding--well it will be packed, that's for sure).
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on November 27, 2005, 09:42:20 AM
Hey... that's TWO hundred...
:-)

Cards are rolling (both men AND women) - should be a big challenge for the Iggles.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on November 27, 2005, 09:57:24 AM
Indeed.  And, of course, I spelled Goolrick wrong.  I know better, too...

Nice to see the Cardinals back on the front page of D3hoops this morning. 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on November 27, 2005, 12:12:52 PM
Congrats to the neighbor, Catholic Cards.. a great "upset" win for both of them. It would be a key game in end of the season in selection for NCAA unless they win the CAC Championship. It's nice to read them on the front page of d3hoops.com since Lonergan was in front cover two years ago, "D-III to D-I" by being accepted to University of Maryland assistant coaching job. Speak of Lonergan, I am going to Vermont Athletics site right now to see how the team is doing. Enjoy rest of the weekend..
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 27, 2005, 02:11:28 PM
Since I've gotten two e-mails about this already (possibly both from the same person), I figure I better make a note about it here.

Penn State-Berks is a provisional member of Division III and is not a regional game for Gallaudet or anyone else. For more information please read:

Site FAQ: http://www.d3hoops.com/faq.php?question=21

Penn State-Berks schedule/results page: http://www.d3hoops.com/school_info.php?school=Penn%20State-Berks&team=m
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Coach C on November 28, 2005, 07:11:22 AM
Matt -

Did you see any of the Gally tournament?

C
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: muchacho on November 28, 2005, 10:06:35 AM
It still seems like Catholic doesn't have a SID. I'm unable to find the boxscore from the Scranton game...anybody know where I can find it.
Not to mention that the cumulative stats haven't been updated for the Haverford game, and the Haverford boxscore isn't up on Catholic's website either. SID needs to improve the speed at which he updates that site.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on November 28, 2005, 10:48:18 AM
You will have to check on Scranton's website for the box score..

Women's Basketball - http://academic.uofs.edu/department/athletics/womens_basketball.html

Men's Basketball - http://academic.uofs.edu/department/athletics/mens_basketball.html

Let you know that you will have to scroll way down to see the schedule/result. Link to the box score is right next to it.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 28, 2005, 08:47:34 PM
Matt L. - are you officially employed by the CUA Athletic department - or at least by the Basketball team - as their official Spokesman?!

Well, its nice to see CUA off to a good start along with YCP... but Goucher... ouch!

It hasn't been the greatest basketball to watch, but I will say one thing... they won't quit.

While the team is 0-5, the three games I have seen have showed one thing. While they might be overmatched inside, they aren't affraid of going to the paint... and giving up their bodies. Not to predict the future, but while Goucher's record this year might not be terrific, they are not going to go down without a fight (from the look of things).

Conference play starts this week... Goucher will have two tests. YCP on Wednesday in the Gophers final regular season (possibly ever) game on the tile. And then to DC to face the Bison... which should be interesting. Wish I could be there!

Hope everyone had a nice Thanksgiving and make sure to listen to Hoopsville. I promise YCP and CUA will be the topic of conversation (as much as I might try to leave CUA out :)).
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: VJC SID on November 28, 2005, 10:22:48 PM
SMC  72
VJC    70

Lesesne leads seahawks with 18 pts
Fitzgerald tallies 17 pts, 13 rebs
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on November 28, 2005, 11:37:22 PM
Coach C, I didn't see any of the Gally tournament.  However, it certainly looks like that the Bison are coming out strong every night out.  They've always been well coached and play with a lot of passion.  This year they've got some experience to go along with the raw talent, and I bet nobody in the league is looking forward to playing against them.

D-Mac-- ;D The only one of us employed by a CAC school remains you, my friend.  I'm just a proud alumnus.   But spinning CUA's success would be an easy task right now, at least...not much to spin.  So far, they've played well.  Nobody's annoiting them anything, but they look good.

Interesting to see if CUA moves up some in the poll...they should.  Mary Wash on the road (this Wed.) is a big challenge and barometer for league play.



Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on November 29, 2005, 09:17:59 AM
Catholic moves up 6 spots to #19, York stays #6 in the new Top 25 poll.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on November 29, 2005, 09:27:44 AM
Did anybody get a notice on the scoreboard last night? Salisbury won over #11 Virginia Wesleyan in a upset at Maggs, 66-62.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on November 29, 2005, 10:24:42 AM
Wow, I didn't see that.  Its nice, to, uh, see a CAC team other than the top 2 beat an ODAC team, isn't it.   VWU has dropped to #23, and sinking, but still...Salisbury is probably no better than 4th in the CAC, behind York, Catholic and St. Mary's.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: unreallawns on November 29, 2005, 10:54:16 AM
I think Salisbury is going to surprise some people this year.  I've had a chance to see them play and they are very athletic and deep!  They actually have some size this year as well.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: njlincolnlion on November 29, 2005, 11:22:56 AM
Congratulations to the Sea Gulls on their win at home aganist #11 Virginia Weselyan.  Hopefully, this is a good sign for the rest of the season.

Great Day all around as Salisbury beat a ranked team at home and my alma mater Lincoln also beat a ranked team at home in Randolph-Macon 85-62.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on November 29, 2005, 06:28:02 PM
There would be a real test to see how Salisbury fare and where they would stand in CAC, when they head to the Field House tomorrow night to play against Gallaudet at 8pm.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: seahawks on November 29, 2005, 07:02:27 PM
Seahwaks looked very impressive yet again beating the champions of the mareyland pride tournament, maybe thats why St. Marys didnt get that invite because as far as I know they were the only team from Maryland that didnt play in it.  The score is a little closer then the game was for the majority of the time but VJC played hard and SMC ran out of some gas towards the end.  Wednesday SMC goes to marymount and then hosts UMW on saturday.

Wednesday-
SMC 84
Marymount- 72  Both very talented back courts but SMC plays better defense and has the advantage in the paint.

Saturday-
SMC- 75
UMW-72  SMC wins their opening game at home in front of a very packed gym, Lesesne leads the way for the seahawks.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: manofgor24 on November 29, 2005, 08:00:14 PM
St. Mary's sat this year out......next year they will be in and Washington will sit out.  I don't doubt that St. Mary's is a quality team but Villa Julie is not that good.  I don't know how JH lost to them.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on November 29, 2005, 08:29:07 PM
Well, Anthony Fitzgerald certainly is.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on November 29, 2005, 08:47:33 PM
Hey Clint -

any webcast for the umw/cua game tomorrow? how bout from d3hoops.com?


anyways, should be an solid early matchup - it pains me to say, but i predict cua wins in a tough battle 82-78
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on November 29, 2005, 09:11:08 PM
No, we only broadcast the away games... I'll be busy doing stats and announcing. Sorry!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: eaglemaniac on November 29, 2005, 10:47:17 PM
Does CUA broadcast their Away games?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on November 29, 2005, 11:50:01 PM
No.  We just got a new SID though, so maybe at some point it can happen.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: manofgor24 on November 29, 2005, 11:56:07 PM
Matt, are you saying that fitzgerald is good?  I think his stats do not show his talent.  He is big and that is it.  He throws the ball up there and goes and gets it.  His size gets him good numbers at this level but I feel there are many centers with far more skill than him......ex. Sowden
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 30, 2005, 01:09:13 AM
D3hoops.com is out of town to tend to a family matter, sorry.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on November 30, 2005, 01:53:22 AM
Well, absolutely no offense to VJC, but a guy like that probably wouldn't be playing there if he had that much talent, right?

But yeah, I think he's good...I've only seen him against Catholic, but he's the main reason they've improved so much.  Sowden does probably have more skill, sure, but...if a guy his size and width is somewhat coordinated (unlike, say, Scranton's Kreuter, who netted 0 points and 5 fouls in 11 minutes), they can really have an impact.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on November 30, 2005, 06:18:05 PM
So I left DC for Fredericksburg at 4...after 1 hour, I made it exactly 16.1 miles...forget it. Good thing I live in VA--found my way off of 95 and retreated home.

So, I'm completely reliant on Clint for updates...

But go Cardinals!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: seahawks on November 30, 2005, 07:51:13 PM
If anyone has any updates for any of the CAC actiuon tonight can you please post them, there are some good games going tonight!!!!  My impression of fitzgerald is that he is a huge body, strong as a bull and can finish around the basket.  However he is coordinated enough to take another big man from about 18 and in.  play off him and make him shoot it, he cant do that.  Villa Julie is improved but nothing to talk about, thats for sure.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on November 30, 2005, 09:00:47 PM
Halftime from YCP...
York 42-Goucher 24

Brian Singer has 13 points to lead York while Chad McGowan has 10 points and eight rebounds.
Tim Merritt leads Goucher with eight points. Justin Ajose and Jonathan Garritt each have five points.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on November 30, 2005, 10:15:19 PM
Final from York...
YCP 80-Goucher 66

York pulls their regulars with 6:30 left and Goucher outscores the Spartans 19-0 to end the game.
Chad McGowan leads the Spartans with 22 points and 11 rebounds in 20 minutes of work. Brian Singer adds 15 points and five rebounds in 13 minutes of work. Singer goes 6-of-7 from the floor and 3-for-3 from the line.
Paddy Lee adds 10 points, five rebounds, two assists, two blocks and two steals.
Goucher receives 19 points from Jonathan Garritt and 16 points and eight rebounds from James Russo.
York outrebounds the Gophers 58-31 for the game

Game Box
http://www.ycp.edu/sports/mens_basketball/2005/YCPMBB04.HTM
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: smcmsid on November 30, 2005, 10:23:50 PM
Final from Marymount...

St. Mary's  76, Marymount  72

SMCM trailed by 22 points (49-27) at the half and rallied for the victory. St. Mary's had four players in double figures led by Tyson Lesesne with 20 points. Dan Englestad and Tommy Bushell each had 15 points while Valdez Preston posted a double-double with 12 points and 10 rebounds.

The Saints were led by Kyle O'Connor with 14 points. Bryant Majors tallied 12 points and Marc Mazzuchi added 10 points.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on November 30, 2005, 10:43:41 PM
Final from Field House...

A thrill game for the fans at Field House.. Haney, Jr. hit a game winning three pointer at the buzzer in front of Salisbury defense.. The Bison win 63-60 over Salisbury Seagulls.

Game story will come soon..
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: thenewmwc on November 30, 2005, 10:48:41 PM
GO TO SLEEP CATHOLIC!!

Mary Wash handled the Cardinals effortlessly tonight.  Dwyer, Sowden, and Fumai were completely shut down.  Final score here in Fredericksburg from Goolrick:

Eagles: 87
Cardinals: 69

This is unofficial, but pretty close.

Can anyone say over rated?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on November 30, 2005, 10:55:00 PM
Mary Washington sure looked pumped!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: eaglemaniac on November 30, 2005, 10:56:30 PM
Officially it was:
UMW-87
CUA -73
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on November 30, 2005, 11:22:40 PM
As I say, anything can happen at Goolrick...

Nice to see some Mary Wash fans show up on the board.  I hope they are active participants all year, not just when their team gets a big upset win.

Looks like this was the difference:

CUA: 3-Pt. FG% 1st Half:  2-9  22.2%   2nd Half:  5-17 29.4%   Game: 26.9%
MW: 3-Pt. FG% 1st Half:  6-15 40.0%   2nd Half:  7-15 46.7%   Game: 43.3

Nobody's going to sleep though...its a long season.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on December 01, 2005, 01:01:14 AM
"BISON WIN DRAMATIC CAC OPENER OVER SEAGULLS!"

SU Seagulls (3-3, 0-1):  60
@Gallaudet (4-2, 1-0):  63
Halftime: Tied 31-31 (SU led by 10, 31-21 with 2:25 left and by 8 with 1:39 left)
Attendance: 425

After Salisbury beat then #11 nation ranking, Virginia Wesleyan at home two nights ago... The Bison BEAT Salisbury at Field House!!!

At the end with less than between 5-7 or so seconds, Gallaudet's Matt Johnson stole the ball. He then passed to Robert Haney, Jr. nearby in right wing behind the three point line. Even though, Haney, Jr. was surrounding by several Seagulls defense around him, he threw the shot up in the air with like 2 seconds left and the ball bank in the glass and went in net during the buzzer. He hit a game winning three point shot at the buzzer and send majority of the fans into the court to join the team's celebration. Salisbury was stand and lying in the floor in stunned... Most of the Seagulls players as well as some of the coaching staffs left head to locker room and refuse to hand shakes with the Gallaudet players after the short celebration on the floor. I had to praise for those few Salisbury players and coaching staffs who display a better sportsmanship than rest of the SU members by stay and hand shaking with the Bison players and coaching staffs after the mini post-game celebration. At last, for those 425 or so fans were so luck to see a great, intense and dramatic game between those two teams tonight.

Salisbury:
Ray Williams - 14 points (4-9 FG), 3 assts, 4 TOs and foul out in just 27 minutes
Segun Odumeru - 12 points (4-12 FG), 2 blocks, 3 assists and 6 turnovers
Rico Stewart - 9 points and 6 boards
Kyle Harmon- 10 boards to lead the team along with 6 points
Team Field Goal - 38%
Team 3 Points FG - 26.7%

Gallaudet:
Haney, Jr - 18 points, 9 boards, 2 steals and 3 blocks.
Jackson - 15 points and 9 boards
Johnson - 9 points, 3 assists and 2 steals
Stern - 8 points and 3 assists
Team Field Goal - 40%
Team 3 Points FG - 39%

Next game, the Gallaudet Bison (4-2, 1-0) will host the Goucher Gophers (0-6, 0-1) at home for conference game this Saturday.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on December 01, 2005, 02:11:59 AM
Yeah, fellas, relax, it's just one win, for cripe's sake.

But I will say this... Justin Baker... wow. 8-9 from the floor, 11-12 from the line. Great game. And Mike Lee, eight assists and no turnovers. Good effort by the team. Pierce, Fitzgerald, and Kiernan all hit several huge threes at critical points when CUA could have started runs to make it closer.

Sorry I couldn't give an update at halftime, we raffled off a new car, and I had eight other things I had to attend to.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ex_mu14 on December 01, 2005, 07:55:34 AM
Marymount let a big lead slip away last night to St. Mary's. Marymount has to learn how to finish teams off when you got them on the ropes. I know you guys missed me! I had to figure out the new posting method, but I'm back now.

Let me stir things up by saying Marymount will beat CU this Saturday at there place.

I'm looking forward to seeing you CU fans this Saturday as the heated rivalry gets under way.

GO SAINTS...
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 01, 2005, 09:44:29 AM
Well, Catholic is 2-3 against Marymount in the last 2 years, and at DuFour they've lost in the regular season two years in a row...to an extent, when Marymount comes to Catholic, you can pretty much throw records out, its just one of those things...I expect a good game.

Plenty of room for you 14, I'm sure there will be a decent MMT contingent.  I hope our students come out in better numbers, too.

One bright spot for Catholic, even in the loss, is the way Scott Fumai is stepping up....
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on December 01, 2005, 09:48:16 AM
What a great first half in the Kitchen last night. As for the second half and the second string, well there is some work to be done. Goucher may not have much size but done count out their fight, they never quit even when they were down 30 and missing free throw after free throw. Chad McGowan and Singer averaged more than a point a minute, while Fass and Bushy played lock down "D" on Russo and Garritt.
  I think McGowan has stepped up as the "go to guy" on a team that doesn't really go to one guy. As a soph it is easy to see that he could be a 20 and 10 guy every night on a team set up to focus on him. With Bushy still nursing a gimpy ankle Chad can be counted on for points and board if he is asked to play Center or either Forward spot.
  Only one triple last night for the Sparts but I see that as an aberration as they were focusing on pounding inside vs the smaller Gophers. York is the last unbeaten in the CAC. Go Sparts.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 01, 2005, 04:00:33 PM
As for Goucher - as I said and has now been noticed by others... you can't count them out... but its going to be a tough year.

Salisbury - disappointing to see the loss to Gallaudet when they beat VWC. Not taking anything away from Gallaudet, but VWC is much better than the Bison.

CUA - hmm... maybe your ranking was a bit too high (as I have said a few times). MWC - darn it... I mean UMW - shouldn't have had that easy a time against the #19 team in the nation (debatable).

SMC - are you legit? Win over Marymount looks good, but are we going to see an implosion later?

And as for those of you who don't think VJC is that good, I wouldn't bet against them. They were 18-10 last year and did look good in the opening tourney. Hopkins simply got beat. Also remember, there were three games in three days... VJC looked like they might have been in better shape. Also... Fitzgerald is not their only weapon. Steven Seagers was one guy I thought was just as good, if not better than Fitzgerald (who is a fourth-team All D3hoops.com member).

However, impressive win my SMC over VJC... and speaking of impressive wins... Gallaudet... I guess we have to watch these guys this year... middle of the pack in the end???

YCP is the class of this conference... until somebody beats them... and more than just once... they are going to be the team to go through to get to the tourney.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: eaglefan on December 01, 2005, 04:13:37 PM
Ya BayBee!!  Nice game Eagles!  Most impressive.  Way to play after such a break.  Obviously a well coached and executed effort. 
Keep playing like a team!  You gonna want it!
Sorry, but go 'Cats on Tuesday :(
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Coach C on December 01, 2005, 04:46:18 PM
I won't say I told you so, but well, a top 25 team should not lose by 14 even on the road to a conference opponent. 

C
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 01, 2005, 05:12:47 PM
Speaking of SMC, clearly, their hot start is directly attributable to their hot new D1 transfer, Tyson Lesesne.

Quite a start for him, a guard averaging 22.6 ppg, 5.4 rpg in an astounding 39 minutes per game.

So who is he, and why did he transfer from Delaware State?

Well this little AP story from April 2, 2003 sheds some light on the situation, doesn't it..

http://doverpost.com/PostArchives/04-02-03/pages/police.html

Drugs found in college dorm

A Delaware State University student has been arrested after police turned up drugs and drug paraphernalia in his dormitory room.

Acting on a search warrant, Dover Police, assisted by Delaware State University police and officers with the University of Delaware, served the warrant Wednesday, March 26, in a room inside the Conwell Hall dormitory on the DSU campus.

Dover Police Capt. Ray Taraila said the warrant had been issued in connection with a criminal investigation being conducted by University of Delaware police.

Taraila said officers arrested Tyson Lesesne, 19, of Edgewood, Md. after finding 46 grams of marijuana as well as material used to package it for sale. Lesesne was charged with possession with intent to deliver marijuana, maintaining a dwelling and possession of drug paraphernalia. He was released from custody on $3,200 unsecured bond.

Officials at DSU have also taken unspecified administrative action against Lesesne.


Sound familiar???  Didn't they learn from last year? Right down to the intent to deliver...not just a user, a DEALER.

And lets do the math--he was 19 in 2003, so that would make him a 21 year old...sophomore.  No wonder he's so good. 

This is how St. Mary's is going to compete with York, CUA, Mary Wash? It's not good for the league.




Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: eaglefan on December 01, 2005, 07:33:44 PM
C'mon Dan.  I want to hear a shot out for the EAGLES!  I know you are out there.
btw  I meant "gotta"
Matt, I''ll save my comments.  "he who cast the first stone"
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: eaglefan on December 01, 2005, 07:44:53 PM
Matt,
This is what I was thinking.
http://www.bartleby.com/59/1/lethimwhoisw.html
Peace
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on December 01, 2005, 09:04:40 PM
Justin Baker and A.J have been flourishing........

Don't wake the Sleeping Giant...aka Mike Lee
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: seahawks on December 02, 2005, 01:04:16 AM
Matt- you really think that post was necessary!  Were talking about a changed young man who has worked hard to get himself back into the position of being in school and has already shown that he may be the best all around player in the CAC.  Lets try to focus on basketball because I think thats why we all sign on and visit this site anyway.  Dont be such a bitter asshole cause you all got blown out by mary wash by 25.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: seahawks on December 02, 2005, 01:06:36 AM
speaking of mary wash, it is going to be a great game this weekend in st. marys and as I am 1-0 on predictions for this year I will go ahead and make my second

SMC- 75
UMW- 72

TYSON LESESNE LEADS THE SEAHAWKS WITH 25......
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 02, 2005, 09:34:46 AM
I think the rest of the league has the right to know when a team brings in a ringer who is older than everybody else, for one.

Its up to individuals to form their own judgements, I'm not trying to do that for them.  Everybody has different standards. 

We went through this last year, with considerable embarassment not just to St. Mary's but to the entire league.  Throughout this league, people work hard to recruit and produce competitive teams. It was unfair for St. Mary's to bring in somebody who seriously affected the outcome of the league last year, not to mention the careers of his teammates, only to have him rather unsurprisingly get busted and wash out.  Before he did, people said the exact same thing you just said (he had changed, etc.)

Its deeply troubling to me to see that same school go right back down that path.  If that's what you want your school to represent, that's certainly your call, but yeah, I think the rest of the league has a right to know and draw their own conclusion.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on December 02, 2005, 12:44:41 PM
Everyone is entitled to make their own judgments about each and every player in the league. And so I see nothing wrong with one person on this site letting others know about what a player may have gone through in the past before arriving in the CAC.
     That goes for Lesesne this year the same as it did for Habel last year, and the team will have to deal with any ramifications if they arise. However, i don't fault SMC one bit for wanting to bring in a player (this year or last) to try and help them win. That's why they play the games, and this being DIII, they also have to pay to play. If the school feels they can accept the student, and the student is under no legal restriction from playing I have no problem with it.
    As far as second chances go, I take my hat of to SMC for giving it and Lesesne for embracing it. The caveat here is that this is an information age and even though you get an official second chance your opponents are going to find out about what you have done, and you better be able to take the ribbing from them and focus on the game. Last year in the game at York, Habel not only couldn't block out the taunts he was getting but also started jawing back with people all over the Gym. He put up a double double in short duty due to foul trouble but SMC never got into a flow because he was turning to look in the stands and making lewd comments, gestures and threats on each trip up and down the court. Sometimes you get a Chris Carter sometimes you get a Lawrence Phillips.


Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: seahawks on December 02, 2005, 12:58:10 PM
I really do not feel it necessary to continue down this path but since I feel in this case It is only fair to everyone that knows this league well.  Catholic would never bring in D1 transfers or "ringers", would they?  Lets talk about "ringers".  One year before Catholic wins its national championship they received a transfer from Lehigh who became a 1st team all conference player and honorable mention all american and Catholic won the conference.  Sean Tuohey and players of that sort brought catholic to the level that they are now maintaining,  so how can you fault another school in the CAC for using the same method that Catholic used.  Possibly you feel threatened that Catholic's run of dominance is over and it is time for a new school to assume the responsibility of representing the CAC.  And what better school to do it then the best school in this conference academically and the school with the best arena, St. Marys College.  No offense to any other schools, besides Catholic, because I know how hypocritical most from there are.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 02, 2005, 01:32:55 PM
I don't think anyone objects to bringing in a Division I transfer who chooses to leave his school.  There is absolutely nothing wrong with that.  There is a big leap between that and bringing in somebody who has been arrested for dealing drugs and sits out 2 years, one year after having another questionable player come in and get busted for the same thing.

This issue has no more to do with Catholic than any other team in the league.  I suspect the other teams in the league would probably object to your assertion that its now time for St. Mary's to "assume the mantle," especially considering that one of them went to the Final Four last year.

And if you want to get into Sean Tuohey, I believe he transfered from Lehigh in 1996 or 97--4-5 years before CUA won its championship, not one year.  You are comparing Sean Tuohey, who has been nationally recognized for his work with Playing for Peace, to somebody who was kicked out of school for dealing drugs...sorry, that dog doesn't hunt.

And while he was a solid player, to argue that CUA's run to Salem was somehow brought about because he transfered to CUA is absurd.  I don't think too many Division I schools were after Pat Maloney...
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on December 02, 2005, 01:38:09 PM
Quote from: seahawks on December 02, 2005, 12:58:10 PM
the best school in this conference academically ... No offense to any other schools, besides Catholic ...

Seahawks -

No offense? Do you expect all to agree are you just picking a different fight?

What's your standard? Do you want the schools to each concede St. M's is the best in the CAC academically?

Here's a comparison of St. M's and UMW entering classes this year:

St. Mary's entering class in 2005: 490 students; 3.62 median H.S. GPA; SAT: 1170-1310 (middle 50%)   http://www.smcm.edu/admissions/2005class.cfm

Mary Washington entering class in 2005: 914 students; 3.67 mean H.S. GPA; Sat: 1160 - 1300  (middle 50%); 1226 (Mean) http://www.umw.edu/admissions/undergraduate/entering_class_profile_fal.php
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: muchacho on December 02, 2005, 03:21:57 PM
QuoteSometimes you get a Chris Carter sometimes you get a Lawrence Phillips.

Nice line kitchenrat. There are a lot of people who go through hard times, and just because not all of them will turn out right, doesn't mean that they shouldn't get second chances.

QuoteNo offense to any other schools, besides Catholic, because I know how hypocritical most from there are

From seahawks...Stupid comment. You can't make an accurate judgment about "most" people from Catholic, just like Letourneau can't make an accurate judgment on Lesesne from a newspaper article. If you disagree with Matt, don't go thinking he is a spokesperson for Catholic University.
Matt's comments about Lesesne being a ringer are idiotic. Lesesne isn't a professional player or a guy who has used up his ability. There is nothing against the rules with him playing for SMC. Picking up a D-I castoff is good recruiting for a DIII school. Now its up to the team, the university and the student to make sure he stays straight and gets through school.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Coach C on December 02, 2005, 03:54:27 PM
sehawks -

ARE YOU KIDDING ME?

Of course that post was necessary.  It gives people some context about the player in question. 

Let me ask you a question - if he has worked so hard and is a changed man, why isnt he back playing scholarship basketball?

C
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 02, 2005, 04:14:38 PM
Could you all just let it go!!!

We aren't even a month into the season and already people are throwing insults around; trying to find dirt on other schools; and completely acting like idiots!

OK, so he got caught with drugs that police believed were to be distributed.
OK, he sat out two years.
OK, he couldn't find a ride at a DIII school... OR CHOSE NOT TO!
OK, he is playing for SMC and contributing greatly to them.

We now know the facts, we can now move on.

I would argue (MATT!!!) that this is NOT the same as last year... since the player in question last year had more than one black mark on his record... he had a pattern. And then repeated that pattern and was no longer on the team (what I heard off the record, it was very different than this case).

He is on the team and you better find a way to guard him. I will admit, Matt, it looks questionable when your teams gets smoked and you immediately decide to inform the world that the reason has to be this player who you obviously aren't going to give a second chance. There is nothing wrong with looking up that information and letting me know about it. However, the way you went about doing it didn't look informational to me... rather a way to embarrass someone.

Now... MOVE ON!

As far as the comment about CUA's dominance possibly ending... it already did. YCP won the championship last year - beating CUA all THREE times they faced them (by an average of 12 points a game)!

Now... predictions for tomorrow:
GOU vs. GAL - Gophers win by three. Close and could go both ways, but the Gophers are due for a win.
MMT vs. CUA - Cardinals by 12. Marymount doesn't look good right now, and despite the lose on Wed., the Cards are a good team.
UMW vs. SMC - Eagles by 5. I am very tempted to pick the Seahawks in this game, since they are at home and because of their recent addition. But I am going to take UMW because of their experience.
SMC and SAL not playing each other!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Coach C on December 02, 2005, 04:31:55 PM
d-mac -

I am completely outside the situation and I think it's appropriate that things like this are out in the open rather than just rumored.  It's the most fair thing to all concerned.

SMC is not the only team in D3 with a pattern of 'recruiting guys with backgrond problems' or 'giving guys secon chances' depending on how you look at it.

I am not sure which is the case here, but I htink it's only fair that the story is out there.

C
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 02, 2005, 04:36:07 PM
Uhh, D-Mac, Catholic didn't play St. Mary's Wed, they played Mary Washington.

Actually, Catholic doesn't even play SMC until the middle of January sometime.  And I'm quite confident that with or without Lesense CUA is going to do just fine against them.

So what are you talking about? I have no particular motive, unless you think I'm trying to avenge Marymount's narrow loss to St. Mary's.  You know how much I love the Saints...

I take nothing away from York, but it takes more than one season to establish yourself as the dominant team in the league. Talk to me in a couple of years.  They were the best team in the league last year, that's for sure.  But CUA has won 20 games 9 years in a row.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 02, 2005, 09:08:42 PM
My question is, what was the outcome of the charges? That's what's more important, not the fact that charges were filed.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cugrad on December 03, 2005, 01:34:41 AM
GO CARDS!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mlb on December 03, 2005, 10:25:24 AM
No offense gang, but this is worst than most high school forums.

I know that I am new to this conference and don't have a history.  It seems that you guys spend so much time trying to rip down each other that it is no wonder that the conference doesn't get the recognition it deserves.

I saw VWC first hand last year.  They were a good team.  York beats them in the tourney and now another CAC team beats them.  Yet, I see posts saying that the CAC is nowhere near the conference that the ODAC is.

CUA stunk against UMW.  I think that they got too high off of their 4-0 start and their win vs. Scranton.  Also, I don't believe that they were ready to play conference basketball.  I came from the midwest and was an active Big 10 fan back when they were one of, if not the top conference in the country.  Every team would go out and have great non-conference records - there were years when all 10 (pre Penn State) teams would combine for less than 10 losses.  Then the conference season comes and they beat up on each other.  They still placed 6 teams out of ten in the NCAA tourney.

I am not suggesting that the CAC is comparable to the Big Ten.  I am suggesting that the conference has some good teams and some good ballplayers.

I am a CUA fan because my son plays for the team.  I hate to see them lose, but I am more of a basketball fan and enjoy seeing good basketball games.

As to a D-I transfer who has had trouble in the past, I have no problem provided that the transfer and second chance are done within the rules.  Same academic standards, same financial assistance, etc.

Overall, I understand that the NCAA is focusing on "cleaning up" D-III athletics.  For years, alumni scholarships have been used to attract athletes with money not generally available to others and with virtually no "rules".  That needs to be cleaned up in order to create a fair playing field.  If everything is done on the "up and up", then we can literally say "let the best team win".

As to CUA being overrated, I suggest that the argument be that there are other quality teams in the conference which should also be rated.  Maybe the top 4 or 5 teams in the CAC would compete very well if placed in some of the other leagues and there should be more teams given national recognition.  York was in the top 4 last year and CUA won it 5 years ago - that's good for the league.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: muchacho on December 03, 2005, 06:13:48 PM
CUA bounced back after losing to UMW. I believe the final was 90-45. Catholic was up 51-18 at the half, and despite a surge by Marymount to start the second half, CUA had no problems at all pulling away down the stretch. Catholic got a good effort from everybody who saw the floor, especially Stephen Wheeler on the boards.
Charles Atakora looked good for MU, but he seemed to be the only one playing well today. MU couldn't handle CUA's big guys and Atakora fouled out with about 10 minutes to play.
Good win by Catholic to even it up in the conference.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cugrad on December 03, 2005, 06:49:39 PM
Catholic over Marymount, 91-52.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: spalding77 on December 03, 2005, 07:00:17 PM
UMW 84 SMCM 82
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: smcmsid on December 03, 2005, 08:25:33 PM
Mary Washington  84,  St. Mary's (MD)  82

Great atmosphere and a great college basketball contest.

Sophomore guard Justin Baker posted game-highs for the Eagles with his 25 points and ten rebounds. He also contributed with seven assists. Sophomore forward Jon Pierce added 16 points with sophomore guard Mike Lee scoring 14 and junior guard A.J. Fitzgerald tallying 13 points and eight assists.

Sophomore guard Tyson Lesesne led the Seahawks with 22 points and eight assists. Junior guard Dan Engelstad scored 19 points on 8-of-11 shooting from the field and also dished out five assists. Senior forward Tommy Bushell and junior guard Valdez Preston each added nine points for St. Mary's.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: unreallawns on December 03, 2005, 10:12:36 PM
Congratulations to Salisbury for beating Shenandoah University 67-62 to move to 5-3 on the season and winning 5 out of the last 6.  Ray Williams was M.V.P. of the tourney.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: unreallawns on December 03, 2005, 10:22:16 PM
Segun Odumeru led Salisbury with 16 points and Rico Stewart had 12.  Kyle Harmon scored 11 points and pulled in 8 boards.  Onyie Onunaku scored 22 points and had 14 rebounds for Shenandoah and was also named to the all tournament team.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 03, 2005, 11:02:47 PM
It was clearly very unfortunate for Marymount that CUA got upset at Mary Wash in their previous game.  The Cardinals came up with incredible intensity and worked up a 18-4 lead in the first 4 minutes, en route to a 51-18 halftime lead that was as dominant as any half of basketball I've ever seen at any level.  They did it without Shane Sowden, as he picked up two quick follows and left the game less than 3 minutes in and didn't come back until the 2nd half.

Marymount came out of the 2nd half on a 14-0 run of their own to cut the CUA all the way down to 20, but after that it was lights out and CUA went on a 14-3 run of their own to put it away.  The Cardinals ended up getting some good minutes from their young players like Nick Olivero.

Overall, Catholic shot 49% to Marymount's 33%, totally turned things around from 3 with a 9-19 night, and outrebounded Marymount 49-26--they even had twice as many offensive rebounds as Marymount, which is incredible when you consider how much more often MMT missed.

Pat Satalin regained his stroke with 18 points, Fumai had 14 (4-6 from 3), and Sowden had 12 (in 13 minutes).  Stephen Wheeler added 8 points and 8 boards.

Overall, a really nice bounceback win against a team that has historically played well at the DuFour Center.  Marymount has some issues...there is no way they can be as bad as they looked today, but they were totally without discipline and were not playing much as a team.  Let's see if they get it together.

Next game is a fairly tough road game against Fitzgerald and Villa Julie...
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cuainfo on December 04, 2005, 12:53:12 AM
http://d3hoops.com/releases.php?release=48516

WASHINGTON, — Despite a 33-point halftime lead, Catholic University Coach Steve Howes exhorted his team to play the second half like the score was tied. The No. 19 Cardinals responded in a 91-52 romp over Marymount University in Capital Athletic Conference action at DuFour Center on Saturday.

Pat Satalin totaled 18 points and five assists to lead CUA. Scott Fumai added 14 points, and Shane Sowden 12. Patrick Dwyer contributed 10 points and eight rebounds, and Stephen Wheeler had eight points and eight boards off the bench.

The Cardinals (5-1, 1-1 CAC) put the memory of their 87-73 Wednesday loss at the University Mary Washington behind them quickly by jumping to a 27-8 lead on a Satalin 3-pointer with 11:42 to go in the first half. Fumai, who hit 4 of 6 3-pointers, nailed two on consecutive possessions to put the Cards on top, 39-16.

Trailing 51-18 at halftime, the Saints (2-4, 0-2) scored the first 14 points of the second half to cut the Cardinal lead to 51-32. CUA didn't get on the board until Steven Papageorge hit a free throw with 13:39 to play. That began a 24-6 spurt that put the Cardinals in total control, 76-38, at the 7:26 mark. Sowden, who had six rebounds, a block and a steal, punctuated the run with a three-point play.

Freshman reserve guard Nick Olivero, a starting safety on the CUA football team, hit two 3-pointers and grabbed two rebounds in six minutes of action. Andrew Baker had eight points and four rebounds.

Corey Diamond led Marymount with eight points and four rebounds. Bryant Majors and Pooyan Rahimi had seven points each. The Saints made just 7 of 28 (25 percent) first-half field goals, while the Cardinals were 19 of 36 (52.8 percent). CUA outscored Marymount 40-34 after halftime.

The Cardinals play at Villa Julie College in Stevenson, Md., on Dec. 8 at 8 p.m.

NOTE – Patrick Dwyer's grandfather, Bob Dwyer, celebrated his 90th birthday at the game. The elder Dwyer coached some of the greatest teams in the Washington area at nearby Carroll High School.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 04, 2005, 01:04:14 AM
Wow...Apparently Gallaudet beat Goucher 78-47...

Congrats to Gally, they already have 1 more league win than all of last year.

I know D-Mac says that Goucher is going to fight hard, but...a 31 point loss? How hard could've they fought?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cugrad on December 04, 2005, 01:49:04 AM
Catholic looked very good today against a much smaller Marymount team. Matt refers to UMW's victory over the Cards as an upset. I disagree! UMW, led by a very talented Justin Baker, blew the Cards out of the gym. That's no upset! If Catholic is to challenge St. Mary's, York, and UMW, they must do a better job shooting the three and defending the three. Salisbury and Gallaudet will also make some noise in this conference. This year is not going to be a race between Catholic, UMW, and York. The CAC is very competitive. The Cards are going to have to step up if they want to play in the post-season. I hope that they run the table, but that isn't going to happen. Cards, good luck at Villa Julie, and God bless you at Davidson.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on December 04, 2005, 02:52:09 AM
Matt,

Yeah, Gallaudet did win 78-47 - or refer to Gallaudet Athletics website, "Men's Basketball Crushes Goucher..." - to improving to 5-2 overall record and 2-0 in conference play. The highest lead they had in the game is 38 points in second half before last line of the bench subs in the game with 6 minutes left. All players did play in the game for the Bison.

Not only that they had more league win than last year but highest in past 4 years that I'm aware of, maybe more than 4 years ago. It was one win in each of those last four years. Not only that, but it's great see them to eclipse over 1 conference win in just first two CAC games instead of later in the season. The season isn't over for Gallaudet, they know that they still have long way to go. They know that the celebration haven't begin yet.

There would be highlight story and stats between the Gophers and the Bison posting it up later in the morning. Go Bison!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on December 04, 2005, 08:46:03 AM
Quote from: smcmsid on December 03, 2005, 08:25:33 PM
Mary Washington  84,  St. Mary's (MD)  82

Great atmosphere and a great college basketball contest.


Amen! A real see-saw with MW on top at the buzzer.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on December 04, 2005, 10:00:57 AM
D-Mac,

Remember your own predictions yesterday..

Quote from: d-mac on December 02, 2005, 04:14:38 PM
Now... predictions for tomorrow:
GOU vs. GAL - Gophers win by three. Close and could go both ways, but the Gophers are due for a win.
MMT vs. CUA - Cardinals by 12. Marymount doesn't look good right now, and despite the lose on Wed., the Cards are a good team.
UMW vs. SMC - Eagles by 5. I am very tempted to pick the Seahawks in this game, since they are at home and because of their recent addition. But I am going to take UMW because of their experience.

Guess what??? Goucher by 3? Hmm..

Goucher     -  47
@GU Bison -  78   (Halftime: GU leads 36-23)

GALLAUDET WIN BY 31 POINTS!!! Gallaudet improved it's record to 5-2, 2-0 in conference play and 4-1 record at the Field House. Bottom line of the story is that the Bison defense held CAC leading scorer and CAC Player of the Week, James Russo easily by allow him to have just 9 points (3-15 FG, 3-9 3FG) in whole game. It's more than half below his average of 23.0 ppg. He had 0-6 FG (0-2 3FG) for first half along with a Technical Foul. Jonathan Garritt, their second leading scorer was also held down to 8 points from his season average of 17.7. Again, it's more than half. Several key stats to point out for the outcome of the game was turnovers (GU- 16, Goucher - 27), and assists (GU- 23, Goucher - 9). Gallaudet had 14 offenses and 26 defenses for total of 40 while Goucher only had 6 offenses and 23 defenses for total of 29 rebounds. Bison's stingy defense had 20 steals compare to just 5 by the Gophers. It's enough to be told about tonight's exciting game at Field House to prove D-Mac's big mistake with his prediction. Maybe you meant by 3 for the Gallaudet-Goucher women's game after Goucher won in Dickinson tourney by 4 against Gallaudet women's. Try to be like "Swami" Chris Berman or Dickie V or even Lee Corso? Speak of your predictions, you need some more works along with research on your own predictions and study those analysts. Enough is enough; here are short stats of the game.

Goucher (0-7, 0-2):
Esbrandt - 14 points (11 in 1st Half) on 5-7 FG, 2-3 3FG and 2-2 from FT line
Merritt - 12 points and 9 turnovers
Garritt - 10 rebounds along with 8 points
Russo - 9 points (all in 2nd half) on 3-15 FG (3-9 3FG), and 3 rebounds.

Gallaudet (5-2, 2-0):
Jackson - 18 points, 8 rebounds, 3 assists, 2 steals and a block in 27 minutes
Haney, Jr. - 14 points, 6 rebounds, 4 assists, 5 steals in 27 minutes
Eby - 6 assists in 19 minutes

Gallaudet would move on and look forward to next Thursday, December 8th game against Wesley College (DE) at home once again. Gallaudet would look to avenge 69-54 lost last year at Wesley.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 04, 2005, 11:16:57 AM
Bisonpride - 31 huh... didn't see that in the previous few posts on the game. Don't get too excitied... I did say this game could go either way.

To start with... I 'm not surprised by the result (Bison win), but I am surprised by the spread. My heart was telling me Goucher couldn't start 0-7. However, my brain was saying it was certainly possible the way GAL had been playing recently. Congrats to the Bison on a very good win.

Goucher needs to retool its offense. Sometimes I think I am watching an ugly version of the Grinnel offense. Unfortunetly, Goucher simply has no size inside and Merritt and Martin can't handle the load and pressure. Rumors are that Goucher may improve on that over the break... but I am not betting on it. Goucher has some very good talent (Russo and Garritt for starters)... but are simply going to be overmatched. I still say they will fight to the end, but sometimes they just might not be able to do it night in and night out.

At this point... after the first few games in the conference... here is my prediction of how this season will end.

#1 YCP
#2 CUA
#3 UMW
#4 SMC
#5 SAL
#6 GAL
#7 MMT
#8 GOU
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: seahawks on December 04, 2005, 05:08:01 PM
Hats off to mary wash for a very well played game, justin baker has improved his game tremendously.  They seemed like they didnt miss any three point shots and almost always hit the "big shot" to change the momentum of the game.  Spencer Way fouled out of the game with over 10 minutes to play in the contest on what seemed to be a very, very, questionable technical foul call.  I didnt realize that screaming after a big tip in was completely out of the context of college basketball in a game that was being played that hard and was that exciting.  Refs need to hold thier whistle and not discourage that type of emotion.  Spencer stays in the game we may have seen a different outcome of the game.  But to be fair, Mary Wash deserved the win just as much as the seahawks and which promises to be quite a rematch when mary wash hosts smc.  Salisbury and Gally appear to be wild cards in this tight CAC race and I wouldnt be too surprised to seee Haney and Jackson combine to give coaches headaches late into the season.   
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: thebison on December 05, 2005, 12:28:51 AM
Yooo d-mac and everybody else-

How 'bout that? You put Gally at six to finish off the conference, putting even Salisbury on top of us. That's alright, because we always like being the underdogs. I'm gonna go ahead and be bold here, and say that we're gonna as high as third. With due respect to York and Catholic, we'll do our best to upset our way to the NCAAs. This is gonna be our year.

Anyone who follows Gallaudet basketball knows that the turnover around here is seriously high. How often do we find a four year player who can actually play, and after being plagued by the ball hogging Valencias for several years, we've finally gotten our program on track. This just may be the first time ever we have eight seniors on the same team, and with the addition of some dyanmic freshmen and sophomores we have weapons from all over the floor. This is the first year where the bar is set as high as 15 wins when we've been thrilled to get 8. You can consider the Goucher game a statement game from the Bison, and Haney's buzzer beater, which will forever be known as "The Shot" (or "The Turnover" for Salisbury) is something that shouldn't be considered luck- you have to put us higher, especially when we've already beaten Salisbury (and be we'll be happy to do it again). It's a major confidence booster that's sure to carry with us throughout the season since we've been on the losing end of those shots so many times. I know Gallaudet has a ways to go to earn respect in the CAC or anywhere else, but I'm rather suprised at how little you've given them sofar, considering this is the first time in 10 years we've won two straight CAC games, doing both in respectable fashion and with clear ball distribution. Keeping in mind that we've got former cac ROYs and POYs Haney and Jackson both entering their senior years playing some of the best basketball of their lives. Adding our newest weapon, freshman point guard Jon Mowl, who is averaging 30-plus minutes a game and the ballhandling and court vision we've not had in the past, we're better able to distribute the ball to the duo evenly, and finding more opportunties for the open three than ever.

The lack of respect here is probably because Gallaudet is underrepresented on this board, something I'm willing to remedy. But with all honesty, I don't see the need to do much talking here, because we're going to be doing it on the floor.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: BisonKiller on December 05, 2005, 08:42:48 AM
Gallaudet....5-2 (2-0 CAC)

5 wins vs opponents whose total record is 8-30
2 loses vs opponents whose total record is 10-2



7 games vs opponents who are 18-32???

all the hoopla about a turnaround should be shot down until they play real teams...not a bunch of cupcakes
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: thebison on December 05, 2005, 11:03:22 AM
BisonKiller,

Thanks for the honor of a personalized handle- the fact that my talk isn't merely being dismissed and that you have to bother creating a handle just to trash us really does mean a lot! I wanted to say that I agreed with you completely because you're exactly right about our two losses being against teams with winning records. But I ask that we keep in mind that those two losses were by a combined margin of 11 points (6 and 5 respectively) and we were in both of those games until the very end, where freethrows separated the scores a little more. But my point is this- every single player on the team feels cheated out of those two wins because they all made mistakes of their own. None of these guys feel like they have played a team better than them, and they're at the realization that with the athleticism, talent, and experience, their biggest opponents are themselves.

And the very fact that we're finally winning games that we should be winning, instead of letting the easy ones get away from us like every year in the past, should tell you all that we're more serious contenders this year. You can't dismiss a team that has two senior CAC first teamers, either of whom could get POY honors... that says a lot about our arsenal.

Oh, and our schedule with teams of a combined 18-32 record is a little decieving, considering we've played Goucher. Take out their 0-7 record and our opponents' records are a combined 18-24, not a far cry from any other CAC teams.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: thebison on December 05, 2005, 11:05:25 AM
Our record would be 18-25, I meant in my last post. Sorry for the bad math.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 05, 2005, 11:08:30 AM
Bison, hopefully you know that I have nothing but respect for Gally and its b-ball program--I certainly don't have any kind of agenda or axe to grind.

But I do have to object to your post--I think the only beef that's legit with regard to D-Mac's list is putting SAL ahead of Gallaudet. Since they have played head to head, its probably only fair to put Gally ahead of Salisbury.

But other than that, I just don't think you have much of case.  Gally might end up being pretty good, but their schedule has been very, very easy so far.  One of their wins (Franciscan) was against a club team that is not a member of D3, another was against a provisional D3 team.  Beating Salisbury by 3 at home is not particularly impressive as there is no doubt they are in the bottom half of the league. The other league win, while impressive in its margin, was against easily the worst team in the league. And John Jay is pretty terrible, too.

I would like to see Gally do well, believe me, but their schedule thus far really hasn't proven that they are in the top half of the league.  It HAS proven that they aren't the worst team in the league, and that in and of itself is progress.  I think they will give some of the good CAC teams fits, but at the end of the day nothing has happened that would lead me to believe they are better than York, Catholic, Mary Wash and SMC.

We'll see...the good thing for you is that time will tell.  Until though, I wouldn't get too worked up though.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: BisonKiller on December 05, 2005, 11:20:05 AM
I agree with Matt....I do want Gally to do well...

however....BisonPride your argument is week...

sure....we can take away 0-7 Goucher.....while we are at it....we might as well take away 0-8 John Jay too....  Lets face it....  if we take away your CAC games...you're opponents total record is like 13-22 and your nonconference wins coming against teams that are combined 3-20....

Weak schedule.....  its almost like some of those Big 10 football teams playing against cupcakes early so that they can get into a bowl game.

Its been a long long time since Gallaudet was a CAC contender.  Gone are the days of Mike Kent dunking, Anthony Jones 3 pointing, Jeff Ploederl and John Perry scrapping.  That team was probably your best team ever (advancing into the 2nd round of CAC playoff)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on December 05, 2005, 11:24:54 AM
That why, after the Goucher game (18th page of posting up), I did say that we know that there's a long way to go for us since the season is not over. The celebration haven't begin for us.

All I know that I didn't make decision about the schedule and to be honest, I still think that Goucher is a good team even though 0-7 record but they wouldn't give up. But I am surprise that they are 0-7, I know that they should have won at least one game this season prior to our Dec 3rd game. I, personality don't care about the standing prediction because anything can happen during the season for any and all of the CAC teams as well as whole NCAA teams. We, Gallaudet are going with the flow and try to grab and gaining the wins after wins from what it's need to take us to win.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on December 05, 2005, 11:28:11 AM
To Bisonkiller..

It's thebison who argument about 0-7 Goucher, not me. I am not going into the argument. I am here to put on the Gallaudet game stats, results, facts with opinions that can be debate since I came in this posting up, not to put and drop by the arguments. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 05, 2005, 12:05:32 PM
Well, I think another thing we can debunk is that the Gally is under-represented here on the board!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Coach C on December 05, 2005, 01:26:38 PM
Yeah - this is as much talk as I have ever seen about Gally at any point in memory.

C
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: thebison on December 05, 2005, 01:38:27 PM
Not to be beating a dead horse here, because I agree with what you guys are saying. We haven't proved our worth to be considered so high in your rankings, and it wasn't my intention for to make you guys consider us at number three right now, and I remind you that I was saying that we would be making that statment as the year went on- and that we'd be doing our talking on the floor. I was making a bold prediction (which I stay with) saying that Gallaudet is capable of finishing out third this year. The reason I came on so strong was because nobody was taking us seriously. Now, I think you'll all be giving us a fair look

I know I came on with a splash here, but you'll see that I'm a fair observer and a lover of the game. And yeah, glad to see the under-representation is spoken for- :)

Now let's put all this Gally talk to rest until we win another game.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: unreallawns on December 05, 2005, 04:26:29 PM
Salisbury has a road game tommorow at Messiah College.  Did anyone get a chance to see Messiah play against Marymount?  I saw the score but was wondering how Messiah looked.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: seahawks on December 05, 2005, 05:25:13 PM
I, also, would like to see Gally do well but third might be pushing it.  Haney and Jackson are very good players and deserve the credit but fifth is more realistic and nothing for them to be upset about.  Hopefully, everyone caught that Duke game last night, it was painful for me to watch the end but it was a great college basketball game.  How bout them HOOSIERS!!!

Anybody know anything about Averett?? They come to SMC on saturday and I really do not know anything about them.  Maybe Matt can do some more investigative work and let me know all the details about Averett
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 05, 2005, 06:09:34 PM
Bison fans... I put you below Salisbury because year in and year out I have thought this was going to be the year GAL finally would get out of the cellar... only to be disappointed.

Also, just because you have one win over a team doesn't mean at the end of the year you will finish above them (MATT!!!). In the LONG RUN... Salisbury will finish above GAL. The Bison would need at least a .500 record in the conference. That means they would have to beat everyone once.

However, I don't see them beating YCP or CUA twice. So now they have to sweep two teams.

Now, I can't see you sweeping UMW, SMC, or SAL. So that at least gives you three wins and seven losses (at best).

Then we have MMT... you might sweep them, so for arguements sake, lets give it to you. Now we are at 5 and 7.

That leaves Goucher... which you already have a win over... so you are 6 and 7. But I am not sure you can sweep. You will have travel to Goucher at the end of January (and after playing YCP) against a team that might finally have figured things out. If you sweep... you are at .500. If you don't, you are at 6-8 and in sixth.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 05, 2005, 06:31:05 PM
Man, D-Mac, I can't win..I write a post that spends most of the time defending your rankings and I get singled out again!

At this juncture, I don't have any reason to think Salisbury is any better than Gally is...the only game of any significance is the head to head, so I don't really see why I'm off base to suggest that, at least for now, its reasonable to put Gally ahead of Salisbury.

Who do you have York losing to---do you have CUA losing to them twice?

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mlb on December 06, 2005, 10:50:11 AM
Well, it finally happened (it only took 3 polls) - Catholic is out of the top 25.  The loss to UMC hurt them in the eyes of the voters.

CUA literally destroyed Marymount on Saturday.  While I think that Catholic got Marymount on a "bad day" (I think that the team is far more capable than they showed at CUA), Marymount went north yesterday and destroyed a Farleigh-Dickinson team from the MAC.  The MAC is not a "weak" conference as it boasts teams like Kings, Lycoming and Scranton.

To the SID's that may read this, don't underestimate the CAC!

The teams in this conference have a great deal of talent.  The people that can make a difference and communicate the strength of the conference choose to spend time "hating" the other teams in the conference.  There are 3 teams in the top 25 with 2 losses already.  Granted, for the most part the losses are to teams in the rankings above them and therefore there is a "perceived" strength of schedule.  Does anyone doubt that York, CUA, UMC or SMC could go into the CCIW, MAC or other "strong" conference and be competitive?

It is going to take time, but a consistent message needs to be sent - THE CAC IS A STRONG CONFERENCE!

Stop the bias and watch the kids play.  Let's work on getting some recognition for the accomplishments of these schools.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mlb on December 06, 2005, 11:00:17 AM
to The Bison

Congratulations!  Your team appears to be very competitive.  5-2 is 5-2.  Close losses to good teams indicates that the team has talent, it just has to learn how to close out a game. 

The conference is 22-6 outside the CAC (that excludes Goucher which is having an off year).  With Goucher, the record is still 22-11.

Playing in the conference is a "zero sum" game.  There is always one winner and one loser.  Outside the conference the teams are showing very well.  The message to the higher ranked teams in the conference is WATCH OUT!  Virtually any team in the conference can beat any other team on a given night.  There are no easy games.

When the CCIW schools beat up on each other and their records suffer, the pollsters discount the loss.  Right now the pollsters would rather vote for a team losing in one of the recognized conferences than to vote for a CAC team.  Losses in our conference hurt the standings. 

Everyone gets "up" to play in conference.  It's time for the CAC to look to dominate outside the conference and get some well deserved recongnition.

to The Bison - keep it up.  Inside the conference, you're an "enemy", outside, your an ally!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 06, 2005, 11:32:56 AM
Its true...I think people have a tendency to assume the grass is greener in other conferences. They discount the play that they are seeing night to night and assume somewhere else it is better.

But let's face it, very few of us can really see all that many teams play, especially in places like Wisconsin and Ohio.  We ASSUME those conferences are stronger than the CAC, and many years they are.  But MLB makes a good point--it is not looking like this is one of those years.  The early results are in, and the CAC is fairing very well outside the conference.

It stands to reason that the CAC would rise--CUA has been good for a long time, now York has gotten very good, and Mary Washington for the last few years has been good.  That has risen the level of competition.  In order for other teams to compete, teams that we consider to be 'lesser' teams in the conference (meaning only that they've finished 5-8) they've had to step it up, and I think they have.

Lets see how everybody does outside the conference in the next month or so, but I suspect that the results will still be pretty good. 

Catholic is down to 28 in that poll---we can argue about whether or not that's fair, I could easily make the counterpoint that they lost on the road to another team that received Top 25 votes and has been good so far.  But so far, CUA has played a pretty tough schedule--their opponents are 19-13.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on December 06, 2005, 08:20:05 PM
It looks like we may have a better understanding as to where the CAC stands against other conferences after the Spartans travel to Reading tomorrow to take on #19 Albright. The Lions have a very talented front court that helped them to more than 20 wins last year despite an early season loss at Bollman to York. In that game Trevor Deeter had 24 and 8 and held down the paint well. Singer and Seibert had 14 and 13 combined and in just his second college game McGowan had 8 and 4 but shot poorly. York got most of its points from the outside with 10 three's.
    McGowan is a much different player this year, and Bushy is still nursing his leg injury so there are pluses and minuses for YCP. Plus they also have been getting great minutes from Howard and Fry which should help them get the ball inside vs Deeter and that tough frontline of the Lions.
    York has never lost in three tilts vs Albright, and I hope they keep that up with a big road game at SSU coming up on Saturday. A win over a ranked (even lower ranked) MACC team should add more weight to our assertion that the CAC is a much stronger force to be dealt with now then in the mid 90's when many saw us as a cupcake.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: spartanfan on December 06, 2005, 08:48:55 PM
It's been a while, but I'm back!  I've traveled the globe, and seen many a talented D3 teams play.  But I must say, noone, I repeat noone will hold the veterans of the tile down this year.  Looking forward to alumni weekend again this year (I just hope I can hold up with the added 20lbs)!!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: thenewmwc on December 06, 2005, 08:57:27 PM
Final Score from Goolrick:

UMW - 91
Frostburg State - 82

The Eagles came out pretty strong in the first half, leading by 20 at the half, but then played way below their par.  Notables included freshman Matt Traecy and as always, Justin Baker who didn't meet his average 26.5 ppg from last week but still lead the team I'm sure.  Notables on Frostburg included Ryley and Owen.  Not a great win for the Eagles, but a win nonetheless.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on December 06, 2005, 09:34:59 PM
Actually, Justin did meet his average, and then some...
31 points, ten boards. Another amazing effort.

Mike Lee 15, Kiernan Whitworth 12, Treacy 12, Fitzgerald eleven... Good balanced attack.

UMW was up 82-62 with 4:36 left, and FSU cut the deficit down against the reserves. Again, as was said, not pretty, but another W.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: BisonKiller on December 07, 2005, 08:37:49 AM
The super duper mighty bisons are set to play Wesley tomorrow night.

Since Wesley is a one man team, Gallaudet should give Wesley a classic deaf whipping.  Then again avg. with just 200 fans, it might not be much of a "home advantage" for the fine mighty and proud Bisons.  Anyway, Gallaudet isnt much better with only 2 good players, Frankie and Ronnie.  If you look at their stats, after Frankie and Ronnie, there is a HUGE drop off.

Hopefully ol' Luther (Weedon) Campbell will contribute more than just putting out rap albums....
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: muchacho on December 07, 2005, 09:37:03 AM
QuoteSince Wesley is a one man team, Gallaudet should give Wesley a classic deaf whipping.

Call me sheltered, but I don't believe I've ever seen a classic deaf whipping.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: BisonKiller on December 07, 2005, 10:20:43 AM
Quote from: muchacho on December 07, 2005, 09:37:03 AM
QuoteSince Wesley is a one man team, Gallaudet should give Wesley a classic deaf whipping.

Call me sheltered, but I don't believe I've ever seen a classic deaf whipping.

EXCATLY!!!  I haven't seen one either...perhaps tomorrow will be a first
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on December 07, 2005, 10:32:47 AM
Bisonkiller, I could be wrong but your last few posts sounded an awful lot like crass trash talk that is in poor taste. Maybe you thought it was funny, or worse you thought you were giving the Student Athletes at Gally a complement but it came off as sour grapes. Im sure I was reading it wrong because no one comes here to be a Dick.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: BisonKiller on December 07, 2005, 11:13:09 AM
Quote from: kitchenrat on December 07, 2005, 10:32:47 AM
Bisonkiller, I could be wrong but your last few posts sounded an awful lot like crass trash talk that is in poor taste. Maybe you thought it was funny, or worse you thought you were giving the Student Athletes at Gally a complement but it came off as sour grapes. Im sure I was reading it wrong because no one comes here to be a Dick.

poor taste?  actually I havent said anything in poor taste.... a little trash talk is what makes the forum a little more exciting and lively....

For those of you, who dont know.... "deaf whipping" (at home)....according to a former Gallaudet basketball player is:

- Loud fans banging/kicking the stands
- beating on objects may it be cans or drums
- throwing toliet paper rolls when they are disgusted by a ref's call
- being so loud that the other team cannot hear each other
- of course at the same time...beating their opponents

Will Wesley receive a deaf whipping tomorrow?  Who knows...its up to the team and their fans....

Calm down a bit KitchenRat, I understand your intentions were good and wholehearted.....

btw...McDonalds just called, they need help in the kitchen
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on December 07, 2005, 11:36:39 AM
Bisonkiller, I know all about what it is like to play at Gallaudet having seen games threre and having played high school ball vs MKSD in New Jersey. I have heard the drums the stomping and the banging of symbols. It was hard to play there, and I take my hat off to the MKSD and Gallaudet fans for getting behind their team.
    On another note, having grown up in a diverse area of New Jersey i got a good lesson from my Father when i was a young man that it was not ok for me to use tearms that some of the other kids on my block used with one another. We all set our own bar, and that is where mine is set. I'm not telling you how to conduct your trash talk, just calling it like i see it.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on December 07, 2005, 08:54:31 PM
UMW 93, Lancaster Bible 46

The University of Mary Washington men's basketball team made a school-record 19 three-point baskets in 45 attempts, also a record, in a 93-46 win over Lancaster Bible College on Wednesday night at Goolrick Gymnasium. Every player scored for the Eagles, who improve to 5-1 on the season.
Mike Lee led UMW with 14 points, eight rebounds, five steals, and four assists. Justin Baker was the only other Eagle in double figures with 13 points and eight rebounds. For the game, UMW shot 45.7% from the floor, and made 42.2% of their three-point attempts. UMW was also 10-11 from the free throw line.
The Eagles will be idle for finals until December 17, when they host Shenandoah University at 2 pm.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on December 07, 2005, 08:59:11 PM
Eagles looking good.
It took Mike Lee 6 games until he lead the team in scoring, and still has not scored more than 15.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CLesesne on December 07, 2005, 09:02:13 PM
Matt Letourneau

I was told by my son Tyson Lesesne of SMC what you said about him being a drug dealer. When Delaware State took action against Tyson because of marijuana found in his room, Tyson appealed their decision and won. He was reinstated but it was HIS CHOICE not to return to Delaware State. With Delaware State?s strict 0 No-Tolerance Drug Policy, why did they reinstate Tyson if they believed he was a so-called drug dealer that you are putting out there for people to feed off of? Before you put out words that serve no good, positive purpose, you should always ask yourself, is it true . . . is it needful . . . is it kind? The tongue has tremendous potential to bring judgement and all your tongue provided me was the evidence of what your heart really is. It is wrong to destroy a persons reputation through gossip. It can destroy people and gossip does nothing but feed chaos and confusion. Tyson came home after leaving Delaware State and worked hard to get back in school. He got a full time job at a bank, worked all day and went to community college at night, which he paid for to make up for the credits he needed because he lost so much time from school during the appeals process. It wasn?t easy. He worked steady until a few days before he left for SMC. So it wasn?t like he just ?took time off.? If SMC success this year has anything to do with Tyson, it is because he is a team player and anyone who knows Tyson or has played ball with Tyson, knows that it?s not about him but about the team as a whole. He has such a passion for the game, that you can see it in him and I?m sure his teammates feel the same passion he generates when they play out there together on the court. That is what makes Tyson such a good ball player and why SMC will be successful this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: thebison on December 07, 2005, 09:04:52 PM
BisonKiller,

Having been born deaf to deaf parents, I have to say I was quite amused with your description of a "classic deaf whipping." The only "deaf whipping" I can describe would be if someone whipped the **** out of a deaf person. But I couldn't think of how that'd apply to the basketball court, where if Gallaudet whips someone else, it would be categorized as either a blowout, debacle, or a good old fashioned ass-kicking.

Kitchenrat is right when he says that he remembers the drums and stomping when he sees Gallaudet or when he played MKSD (which for reference is now named NJSD), and this is more prevalent at deaf schools than hearing schools, but BisonKiller... "being so loud that the other team cannot hear each other"... are you telling me that other schools don't get that loud? Because if they don't, I'll be damned cuz that doesn't mean deaf people are louder, but that we have the best fans in the entire CAC.

And throwing toilet paper rolls when a ref makes a bad call- that's just plain misinformation. We throw toiletpaper rolls on the court when the first dunk of the season occurs at home, and only then. That tradition didnt continue this year because our first dunk came on the road, and we have no intentions of throwing any rolls of toiletpaper this year. If we did every time the ref made a bad call, nobody on campus would be able to wipe their asses. What we DO do however, when the refs make bad calls, is taunt him with jokes like, "Hows the job at footlocker," or occasionally I'll even offer him the use of my glasses. Booing the refs, sure we do that whenever one of our players gets called for a charge, or if we got called for a technical, but then again, doesn't every school do that?

I don't want to preach on about your ignorance, BisonKiller, especially since I'm sure countless people have pointed that out to you in the past. I'm just happy that you're countin on us to pull out a win tomorrow night, and who knows- we might turn it into a good old-fashioned blow-out.

But a classic deaf whipping? Well, only if we lose.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 07, 2005, 09:22:10 PM
So you're saying the Associated Press story cited is incorrect? Are you disputing the facts or just providing your spin?

I asked earlier for someone to provide some information as to the outcome of the case in question. Perhaps you'd be willing to do so and end the speculation. I was hoping we could put this officially to rest in some manner.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 07, 2005, 09:35:31 PM
Pat (assuming you're referring to the Lesesne situation) and Matt,

Have you actually calculated what 46 grams amounts to?  That is considerably LESS than 4 ounces - what a MAJOR drug bust!  Since the statute of limitations has long since run out since my 'toker' days, I'll say from personal experience  that that is NOT a dealer, that is a personal stash.  Whatever the cops may have said, dealers are measured in pounds (or kilos), not in ounces!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cuabigdog on December 07, 2005, 09:42:01 PM


COLLEGE BASKETBALL


Division III D3hoops.com College Basketball Poll
Team (First-place votes) Record Points Previous Rank
1. Illinois Wesleyan Titans (25)  5-0  625  1
2. Wooster (OH) Fighting Scots  6-0  588  2
3. Wittenberg (OH) Tigers  5-0  567  3
4. Amherst (MA) Lord Jeffs  4-0  517  4
5. Puget Sound (WA) Loggers  4-1  516  5
6. York (PA) Spartans  4-0  489  6
7. Albion (MI) Britons  4-1  410  9
8. Hope (MI) Flying Dutchmen  6-0  390  14
9. Lawrence (WI) Vikings  5-0  379  15
10. WPI (MA) Engineers  7-0  375  10
11. Gustavus Adolphus (MN) Golden Gusties 5-0  333  13
12. Randolph-Macon (VA) Yellow Jackets  5-1  257  11
13. Hanover (IN) Panthers  4-2  234  8
14. Wisconsin-Oshkosh Titans  2-2  228  7
15. Wartburg (IA) Knights  4-1  217  18
16. Rochester (NY) Yellowjackets  5-2  177  12
17. Augustana (IL) Vikings  4-0  169  25
18. St. John Fisher (NY) Cardinals  2-1  168  17
19. Albright (PA) Lions  5-0  140  NR
20. Elmhurst (IL) Bluejays  3-2  131  22
21. Baldwin-Wallace (OH) Yellow Jackets  5-1  127  NR
22. Wisconsin-Stout Blue Devils  5-1  118  NR
23. Lincoln (PA) Lions  7-1  115  NR
24. Hampden-Sydney (VA) Tigers  5-0  110  NR
25. Ramapo (NJ) Roadrunners  4-1  108  24
Others Receiving Votes: John Carroll 97, Maryville (Tenn.) 96, Catholic 86, Carnegie Mellon 79, Mississippi College 64, UW-Stevens Point 60, Ohio Northern 47, Transylvania 22, Potsdam State 19, Trinity (Texas) 15, Carroll 15, Widener 12, Rutgers-Newark 7, UW-Whitewater 4, St. Thomas 4, Mary Washington 4, Calvin 3, Hamilton 2, New Jersey City 1. 


As of December 6, 2005, at 10:53 AM ET
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 07, 2005, 10:40:17 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 07, 2005, 09:35:31 PM
Pat (assuming you're referring to the Lesesne situation) and Matt,

Have you actually calculated what 46 grams amounts to?  That is considerably LESS than 4 ounces - what a MAJOR drug bust!  Since the statute of limitations has long since run out since my 'toker' days, I'll say from personal experience  that that is NOT a dealer, that is a personal stash.  Whatever the cops may have said, dealers are measured in pounds (or kilos), not in ounces!

Appears the law thinks otherwise. I'm only dealing in what the law states, not your personal experiences, thankfully. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 07, 2005, 11:36:16 PM
Pat, noted! :D

Just sticking up for the player.  Unless there was evidence that he was temporarily low, waiting for a new shipment, he was NOT a dealer!

There are lots of idiocies in our drug laws.  For example, did you know that mandatory minimums kick in at 5 grams of crack but 500 grams of powdered cocaine?  It is the SAME drug.  But (golly, gee) it was (primarily) rich white folks who were doing powder when the law passed, but (primarily) poor and/or black folks who were doing crack - I'm SURE that is purely a coincidence! ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 08, 2005, 12:09:08 AM
I simply posted an Associated Press story about Tyson Lesense, which quoted a police official saying he had been charged with posession with intent to distribute an illegal substance.  That's it.  If anyone has any more public (or private, I suppose) articles or documents about that case, by all means, post them up.  A story which appeared in the world's largest newswire is hardly gossip, however.  Nor is it my personal opinion (which I did express about St. Mary's and last year's debacle, but not this particular individual).  I'm sorry that some people don't like that it is in the public domain, but it is. 

Ypsi--so if its just a personal stash, its ok, is that it? But actually, I just did a little google search...apparently, the average 'joint' contains between .5-1 gram of marijuana. So 46 grams equals 46-92 joints. That's a bit much for personal use, no?

With all this excitement about deaf whipping, nobody has noted that  York went into Albright and beat them handily.  Now THAT is worth discussing.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 08, 2005, 12:31:37 AM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on December 08, 2005, 12:09:08 AM
Ypsi--so if its just a personal stash, its ok, is that it?

Well, in my personal view, YES.

But in the eyes of the law, it is still sharply different between 'personal stash' and dealer.

And I have seen no EVIDENCE that the player was in fact ever a dealer (and even if he were, aren't we to treat someone after the punishment as innocent until proven guilty?).

Bottom line - he has paid his debt to society; he now has the same rights as you or me.  Give the kid a break!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on December 08, 2005, 12:34:35 AM
Details from Yorks' 89-71 win at #19 Albright.....

The Spartans were led by sophomore standout Chad McGowan as the forward notched a game-high 26 points with four rebounds, four assists, and a blocked shot. McGowan was 10-for-15 from the floor including 2-of-4 from three. He also converted  four of his seven free throw attempts. Senior captain Brandon Bushey recorded his best game of the season as he added 15 points, two rebounds and two assists. Bushey was 5-for-9 from the floor including 3-of-4 from the charity stripe. Brian Singer added 11 points and four rebounds in 16 minutes of work. Kenny Fass was the fourth Spartan in double figures with 10 points, five rebounds, an assist and a steal.

The lights went out in the building with 1:06 left in the game. Thank goodness the game was already decided or that could have made for an interesting end of the game.

A very strong effort by the Spartans but a tough road test at Salisbury awaits on Saturday.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 08, 2005, 12:56:47 AM
Matt, you edited your post while I was composing mine!

Despite google, unless folks are rolling them a WHOLE lot tighter than we did 'back in the day', those figures are ridiculous - 2-3 grams per joint is more like it (thus VASTLY smaller numbers than you presented).  But EVEN if your numbers were accurate, I see nothing out of the ordinary for a PERSONAL stash.  Your attempt to portray the player as a dealer is NOT accepted.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 08, 2005, 01:14:55 AM
I am not trying to portray the player as anything.  The police were.

Now, you were kind enough to share your personal drug experiences with us to make the case that the amount of pot the police found was not significant.  That's your opinion.  After I posted, I did get curious as to exactly how many grams go into a joint, and that is what I found.  I imagine it depends on user preferences.

The only personal concern I have ever expressed is with the St. Mary's program, not the player, with the exception of the fact that the potential is now there for the CAC to have a 24 year old player.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: thebison on December 08, 2005, 01:25:00 AM
Yspi- Weed isn't like it was back in the day- it's more potent and a lot more expensive- yes, 46 grams was a stash back in the day, but it's hellva lot to be hanging on to today, and probably has a street value of almost $1,000-  and .6 grams of weed today probably has a better punch than the 2-3 grams of grass back then.  So Tyson likely dealt back then, but then again SO WHAT? He's paid his debt, and as long as he's passing his drug tests I have no qualms.

But Matt, your posting this story isn't gossip, you're right, but it's seriously outdated. It'd be as relevant as me arguing that Gallaudet's "Iron 5" team back in the 40's makes a case for the quality of the Bison's basketball program today. It's just not newsworthy and you spurred a lot of interesting, but unnecessary debate. (hey, I did the same with my previous posts too)

Can we move on and start talking some more basketball? Tomorrow Gally should handle Wesley pretty easily and finish the semester with its best-ever fall record under Coach D at 7-2... the 2nd semester we'll get Senior 6'6 Center Bradley Miller back to help out in the paint, and get settled in for a grueling 2nd half of the season. If Gally loses tomorrow, I'll just stop posting here for good and call this season a wash.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 08, 2005, 01:58:51 AM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on December 08, 2005, 01:14:55 AM
the potential is now there for the CAC to have a 24 year old player.

This is not unusual in Division III.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 08, 2005, 02:00:39 AM
Quote from: thebison on December 08, 2005, 01:25:00 AM
It'd be as relevant as me arguing that Gallaudet's "Iron 5" team back in the 40's makes a case for the quality of the Bison's basketball program today.

It does. But it's the quality of the women's team, since Kitty Baldridge's dad was one of the Iron 5. :)

And I would dispute your assertion. None of the Iron 5 is a current player, whereas the previous topic of discussion does include one.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: muchacho on December 08, 2005, 10:15:26 AM
QuoteThe only personal concern I have ever expressed is with the St. Mary's program, not the player, with the exception of the fact that the potential is now there for the CAC to have a 24 year old player.

You posted an article about Lesesne and his shaky past, and then bashed the St. Mary's program for taking in players who you feel don't belong Letourneau. I believe the term you used was "ringer?" I don't know if yousaid anything directly about the player, but it doesn't take a genius to read between the lines.
Anybody who has been through college should know that the college process isn't a clean 4 years and done for every person. People have issues in their personal life which effect their attendance, and this is true of student athletes too. There is no problem with a 24 year old D3 athlete, and I played alongside guys who were as old as 26 when I was a D3 athlete.
Your posts on this issue are obviously filled with a personal bias, but just be mature about it and admit it. If you believe people who are charged with drug offenses or who will be older than age 22 by the time they are seniors should not play d3 basetball, than go ahead and say so. Just be prepared to know that a lot of people won't agree with you.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: eaglemaniac on December 08, 2005, 10:19:31 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 08, 2005, 12:56:47 AM
Matt, you edited your post while I was composing mine!

Despite google, unless folks are rolling them a WHOLE lot tighter than we did 'back in the day', those figures are ridiculous - 2-3 grams per joint is more like it (thus VASTLY smaller numbers than you presented).  But EVEN if your numbers were accurate, I see nothing out of the ordinary for a PERSONAL stash.  Your attempt to portray the player as a dealer is NOT accepted.


You seem to have a misguided interpretation of the law. Last time I checked it was Illegal to use or distribute drugs. >:(
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on December 08, 2005, 10:21:29 AM
Big win for the Green and White last night against a ranked and previously undefeated team. I think I can stop talking about how people need to take notice of Chad McGowan and the impact he will have on the CAC this year, cause if there is a coach out there who isn't thinking about Chad they are going to be sorry. It was good to see Bushy get back into double figures, and also nice to see that the shooters were back all over the floor but particularly from downtown. Another well balanced attack from everyone who laced em up last night. If I figured correctly the CAC is now 1-4 vs the MACC and YCP gets another shot on Monday in a game at Juniata.(and then Messiah and Leb Val in January) Not that I'm looking past Salisbury which is the biggest game of the year, up until this point, for York.
   As an aside: Matt I have no problem with you posting the story that appeared in the paper, and I don't see it as gossip. Mr. Lesesne, I'm sure part of your sons hard work to get back in school has been coming to an awareness that he made a mistake and he cant run away from the ramifications. We all have to live with what we have done, and although we get a second chance to do many things, our past doesn't get stricken from the public domain.
   I do have to take disagree with one of Matt's points however. I have no problem with a player in college who is taking classes, paying tuition and making the grade playing a sport, period. I don't care if he or she is 18, 38 or 98. If you pay, and can play you should be allowed. When I was at York we had a guard named Dan Rexroth who took a different path to his enrolment in College than most. Namely he was a full time student, worked full time, was a starter on the basketball team and was in his mid 20's. After he got run around the court by guys who had the same skill level as he did, but, were 4 or 5 years younger he sure didn't seem to have an advantage. What he did have was the ability and right to compete despite his age He also had a passion for basketball and a desire to get a College education. When you put those things together you get all that is good and right about D3. STUDENT athletes, no matter their age, or prior life experiences.   
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 08, 2005, 10:51:04 AM
Yeah, as to the age thing, I don't want to imply that it was against the rules or even wrong, but its something to think about.  I see your point, Rat. But it seems like it would be  unfair to the younger guys who don't have years to hone their skills and work out, but I don't know that anything can be done about it though.  It isn't happening all that much, either.

Btw, its hard to 'move on to talking about basketball' if people keep bringing this up.  I was done with it a week ago. I don't mind it being discussed, but I'm not the one prolonging the discussion at this point.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: sunny on December 08, 2005, 12:16:06 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on December 08, 2005, 10:51:04 AM
But it seems like it would be  unfair to the younger guys who don't have years to hone their skills and work out, but I don't know that anything can be done about it though. 

Actually, in a lot of these instances, the older guys who haven't been in school are not in top shape and/or not at the peak of their games when they come back or start school.  There are certainly exceptions, but a lot of these older student-athletes have been away from a regimented training program and/or a highly-organized version of whatever sport they play for an extended period of time and that is hardly an advantage.

Besides, 24 may be six years older than 18, but it's only a couple years older than a lot of seniors are anyway.  Is there that much natural physical difference between a 21-year old and a 24-year old - or a 26-year old for that matter?  Obviously, players who play in college and then go pro are usually better at 26 than at 21, but that has a lot more to do with the experience of playing against top competition night in and night out and learning from top college and pro coaches and players than it does with age, in my opinion.  The one advantage I might give an older player is "wisdom" or "street smarts" - they may have faced more pressure situations in life in general and could have a mental edge, but, I think that varies widely on a person-to-person basis.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on December 08, 2005, 12:22:39 PM
Wow,

these conversations are way more off the topic than those heated CUA vs MWC clashes of Jesus in the stands and of fan altercations.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on December 08, 2005, 12:26:16 PM
I heard that Mike Lee said he was gonna drop 40 on CUA in the Dufour Center.


Boo yah
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: BisonKiller on December 08, 2005, 12:44:44 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 08, 2005, 01:58:51 AM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on December 08, 2005, 01:14:55 AM
the potential is now there for the CAC to have a 24 year old player.

This is not unusual in Division III.

Theres a 35 year old player at Gallaudet  ::)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 08, 2005, 01:31:07 PM

Quote

Actually, in a lot of these instances, the older guys who haven't been in school are not in top shape and/or not at the peak of their games when they come back or start school.  There are certainly exceptions,
Quote

Right. Well, this is one of those exceptions.

Sooner or later, Mike Lee is gonna drop more than he has been so far, I suspect.  Just hope its not against Catholic!

EDIT-well I screwed those quotes up, but you get the point.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mapper on December 08, 2005, 01:52:41 PM
whats the word for the VJC vs CUA game tonight? 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 08, 2005, 03:15:14 PM
BASKETBAL!!!

Congrats to YCP on their big win. They certainly showed they deserve a high ranking... even if the Top-25 poll at this time of the year is VERY fluid.

I would be interested to see how teams finish this semester. Sometimes there are "cake" games (UMW vs. Bible Lancaster)... and sometimes tough ones (YCP vs. Albright or Goucher vs. LVC). There are a lot of teams that certainly do not want to put themselves into a hole before the break. It would only result in them having to waste January trying to dig out... instead of keeping up their success.

A look ahead (in order of the conference rankings)...
- UMW (5-1, 2-0)... Tough road ahead after an easy game this week. Shenandoah, Wartburg and then either UW-Oshkosh or Aurora will show us whether or not we can take the Eagles seroiusly come January.
- GAL (5-2, 2-0)... are the Bison for real? Unfortunetly, they only have Wesley tonight before they are done for a month. A win tonight will certainly raise more eyebrows... but that month layoff could result in a let-down.
- YCP (5-0, 1-0)... can't have a let down after last night's win. They have an important CAC game against SAL this weekend before playing Juanita on Monday. Would be nice if they remained undefeated before an interesting holiday tournament.
- CUA (5-1, 1-1)... needs to get past VJC tonight... not that VJC isn't good (I think they are better than people give them credit for), but that regional loss could really hurt the Cards in the long run. They then have an easy finish with Davidson and McDaniel... so tonight is very important.
- SMC (4-2, 1-1)... busy finish for the Seahawks. Averett (10th), Davidson (15th), Washington College (17th), and Wesley (19th) will be a good test and barometer before the break. They are more talented this year (despite the "reports" and "rumors") and getting through this stretch 4-0 or 3-1 would be a very good sign.
- SAL (5-4, 0-1)... of course they have the Spartans ahead. The Seagulls are my sleeper pick in this league... and win over the Spartans would certainly help that prediction. Considering that is their only game until the new year... it will certainly be a huge momentum win for the break - should they get it.
- MMT (3-4, 0-2)... one game... Averett on the schedule before the break. Not sure if anything can be gauge from it... but relatively easy tournament at the beginning of the year... and a moderatly tough one the next weekend... a win on the 11th could result in a long winning streak.
- GOU (0-7, 0-2)... needs to find a wi.. Saturday's game at home against LVC might not be the place to find it. And with #9 Lawrence on the 29th the Gophers next game... they might be looking at their first win at Beloit on the 30th.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 08, 2005, 04:21:52 PM
Just curious---how is Davidson an easy finish for CUA?

They're a decent Division I team at home...You probably mean that it doesn't really matter what happens there (and I know your feelings on D3's playing D1's), but 'easy' isn't quite the right word for what that game is going to be!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: sunny on December 08, 2005, 04:58:02 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on December 08, 2005, 01:31:07 PM

Quote

Actually, in a lot of these instances, the older guys who haven't been in school are not in top shape and/or not at the peak of their games when they come back or start school.  There are certainly exceptions,
Quote

Right. Well, this is one of those exceptions.

Sooner or later, Mike Lee is gonna drop more than he has been so far, I suspect.  Just hope its not against Catholic!

EDIT-well I screwed those quotes up, but you get the point.



Exactly.  My point was that your focus on age is misguided.  It sounds like you have more of a problem with Division I transfers whom you feel have checkered pasts than you do with age.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CoachMarker on December 08, 2005, 07:27:38 PM
Oh wow, my first post.  Now that I am removed from YCP and D3hoops, I have been checkin the site to read up on the Spartans.  So, I thought I would join the madness.  Looks as if Coach Gamber has it goin again!  Go Spartans! Hope to see you all soon!  ~AO
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mlb on December 08, 2005, 07:30:36 PM
CUA an easy finish against Davidson?

Did you see that they beat Missouri last night by 9?  Weren't they 14-2 in their conference last year?

I understand that it's a D-I game, but a loss is a loss.  I love the David & Goliath thing, but Davidson is a huge hurdle for CUA.  While CUA had a great shot to beat American in their exhibition finale, Davidson is a large step beyond.  In my mind, there is no such thing as a "morale victory".  What is that in this case anyhow - staying within 30 of a quality D-I opponent?  Not the way any program wants to go into a break.  I don't care if it "doesn't count" for seedings, the kids still have to put it behind them.



Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mlb on December 08, 2005, 07:37:26 PM
Not that I want to spend time on the "non-basketball" stuff, but there is a huge difference in the age of a player.  Of course that will depend on what the player does to develop, but the opportunity is there.  If you want to see a dramatic example, look at Shaq as a sophomore at LSU and then five years later in the NBA.  By the way, that is also why D-I programs red shirt.

The age thing is irrelevant because it is within the rules.  However, don't try sweep it under the rug with fabrications.  It could very well make a difference by the time the kid is a senior and the rest of the league will have to deal with it.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 08, 2005, 10:37:16 PM
Probably thought it was Dickinson instead of Davidson.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mapper on December 08, 2005, 10:38:45 PM
vjc - cua any final yet?  i was there had to leave with 10 left in game ( it started a hour late). Score was going back and forth both teams came out shooting threes to start the second half,  VJC was up about 4 at the half.  
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: sunny on December 08, 2005, 10:42:43 PM
Quote from: mlb on December 08, 2005, 07:37:26 PM
Not that I want to spend time on the "non-basketball" stuff, but there is a huge difference in the age of a player.  Of course that will depend on what the player does to develop, but the opportunity is there.  If you want to see a dramatic example, look at Shaq as a sophomore at LSU and then five years later in the NBA.  By the way, that is also why D-I programs red shirt.

The age thing is irrelevant because it is within the rules.  However, don't try sweep it under the rug with fabrications.  It could very well make a difference by the time the kid is a senior and the rest of the league will have to deal with it.

If a player is in a highly-organized basketball program, of course he is going to get better over time (Shaq, redshirts).  That's the experience. 

If you think age usually makes players better when they are away from the game on a highly-organized level, go watch your favorite small college all-stars come back in four years and play in alumni games.  You may change your mind. 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mapper on December 08, 2005, 10:44:31 PM
CUA fans are usually on this site every 3 seconds, any final score???????????????????
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: VJC SID on December 08, 2005, 10:49:14 PM
CUA 67
VJC 59

Game was tied at 53 with 5 minutes to play.  Anthony Fitzgerald shoots 9/12, scoring 20 points and pulling down 9 rebounds.  Shane Sowden led CUA with 18 points and 9 rebounds.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 08, 2005, 10:54:13 PM
Nice road win.  Fitzgerald vs. Sowden must have been a site to see.  Too bad I had to work late tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: thebison on December 08, 2005, 11:05:35 PM
Gally thumped Wesley 82-63 tonight, although the score was 34-31 at halftime. Robert Haney had 16 points, 14 rebounds, 3 assists, and two blocks on the night. Frank Jackson scored 12 and netted 6 rebounds. The big stories of the night were freshmen guards Jon Mowl and Luther Weedon who ran circles around Wesley. Mowl had 13 points, 5 assists and 1 turnover while Weedon went 4-6 from three point land and finished with 14 for the night. The first half was ugly for both teams, as they had a combined 34 turnovers, but the 2nd half the play turned more efficient and some real basketball was played.  Freshman standout Rashawn Johnson for Wesley, who is averaging 27 ppg, was
"held" to 18 points.

It's a great finish to a great semester for Gally, as we finished with our best fall record ever of 6-2 (the previous best was 6-3). The next time the Bison play will be in a tournament in Florida right after new year's which I'll be attending. We're hopiong for a strong start to the next semester.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mapper on December 08, 2005, 11:08:06 PM
i thought VJC was going to be able to beat CUA tonight, VJC played tough in the first half (both teams a little sloppy to start, but the game started an hour late so it was understandable) and when Seagers went out with his 3rd foul they still played hard and went up by 6 or 7 and it could have been closer to ten if not for a bad goal teanding call that favored CUA (I always thought it was the trailing ref who makes the goal tending call, not the one under the basket). CUA cut the lead to a couple before the half.  both teams came out shooting in the second half, i wish I could have stayed.  Fitzgerald had to be a little careful in the first half as he played most of the half with 2 fouls, and the big 6'8" kid from VJC picked up a couple quick fouls too.  Seemed like CUA was shooting 1 and 1 's with a lot of time left in the first half, but that is expected.  CUA has earned over time to get those calls and get to the line, but that is probably what kept it from being a larger lead at the half.  if any one can give me a recap of the last 8 minutes that would be great.  Congrats to CUA on a win against a very good VJC team, they have come a long way the last few seasons.  Good luck the rest of the way VJC.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 08, 2005, 11:30:13 PM
Wow. This is really quite the game story.  Very, uh, enthusiastic. 

Fitzgerald leads scoring efforts with 20 in Mustang loss
Stevenson, MD.- The Mustangs fell to a close game against the Catholic University Cardinals on the evening of Thursday, December 8 producing a final score of 59-67.

As the first half of play opened, the Mustangs aggressively competed against their evenly matched opponent, the Catholic Cardinals, producing halftime score of 27-25 in Villa's favor. Within the last 7 minutes of play, Catholic University attempted to cling to a mere 4 point lead, 17-21. Enraged by their losing score, junior guard Phillip Williams (District Heights, MD/Bishop MacNamara) delivered a jumper sparking a Mustang streak of successful shots, and bringing the score to a 2 point Catholic lead. At 4:09, junior captain Steven Segears (Lanham, MD/St. John's College H.S.) delivers the ball to fellow teammate Anthony Fitzgerald (Baltimore, MD/Polytechnic) for a lay-up tying the score at 21-21. From this point, impressive freshmen performances were contributed by Elysian Richardson (Bloomfield, CT/Suffield Academy) and Jonathan Reynolds (Baltimore, MD/Oak Hill Academy) helping improve the score to 25-21. Fitzgerald seals the half at 27-21. As expected, senior captain Fitzgerald lead the half in both points, with 9, and rebounds, with 6. Trailing close behind their team leader, Reynolds contributed an additional 5 points followed by Richardson with 4. Ultimately, the Mustangs maintained an exceptional free-throw percent of 75% overpowering the Cardinals' 50%.

The second half followed in pursuit of the first with the Mustangs maintaining a slight lead over the Cardinals for nearly the first ten minutes of play. At 11:40, the Cardinals closed the gap and took the lead 43-44. At 9:07, Williams improves the score with a successful lay-up followed by a good free throw, 51-46. Then with only 5 minutes and 40 seconds remaining in the half, the gap closes to a crucial 51-50 in Villa's favor. Following a good Cardinal lay-up, the Mustangs fall 51-52, but the lead is quickly regained by a lay-up delivered by Fitzgerald. Following two successful Cardinal free-throws and a lay-up, the Mustangs trail by 3, 53-56. A three-pointer sunk by Pat Satalin places the Mustangs even farther behind, 53-59 with only 3:07 remaining in the game. Ultimately, the Cardinals continued to elevate the score ending the game at 59-67 and producing a season record of 5-2. Impressive performances were contributed by Fitzgerald leading the game with 20 total points accompanied by 9 rebounds as well as Williams with 2 three-pointers in the second half and an additional 11 points. Lastly, Richardson completed the leaders of this game contributing 10 total points for the game.

The Mustangs are on the court again Saturday, December 10, 2005 at 8 p.m. as they travel to Keystone College.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: muchacho on December 09, 2005, 12:45:58 AM
Fitzgerald was probably the only player keeping VJC in the game tonight against Catholic. He was able to knock down some big shots to keep the game close all night. Aaron Kelly's work won't show up in the boxscore, but he did a great job defensively against Segears. He had a hard time getting the ball, and forced some bad shots when he did get his hands on it.
Villa Julie looked better than they did when I saw them last year, and play some good aggressive defense. I think the difference in the game was Catholic's depth. CUA played 12 players and was able to rest their starters early in the game. VJC didn't rotate many players and 3 of their guys had to play over 35 minutes. This seems to be a trend I've noticed with CUA this year, that they are able to hold their own with backups against other teams starters. This has been giving Satalin and Sowden enough energy later in the game to start to take over.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on December 09, 2005, 12:56:56 AM
From Washington, DC...

Wesley (2-5)       -  62
@Gallaudet (6-2)  -  82
Halftime: GU led 34-31

Gallaudet Bison end the first semester with the best start in school history since 1994-1995 team that end the first semester with 6-3 on way to 14-12 record. Robert Haney, Jr. and Frank Jackson duo led the Bison to other win and avenged from last year's 15 points lost at Wesley. It's where they got their first win of season from us. In second half, Gallaudet used several runs to pull the game away from much improved Wesley team compare from last year's team. The Bison was dominated at the board by winning plus 10 rebounds over Wesley. Bison defense held opponents to their 6th straight games of less than 66 points after allow 95 points to Waynesburg in season opener. Also, it took Gallaudet just 8 games to eclipse last year's total wins compare to last year's 18 games (Feb. 2, 68-63 win over Salisbury at home) to end the season with 6-20 record.

GU Bison
Haney, Jr. - 16 points (7-14 FG), 14 rebounds, 3 assists, 2 blocks and a steal
Jackson - 12 points, 6 rebounds along with 2 steals and a block

Wesley Wolverines
Johnson - 18 points on 7-13 shooting along with 3 steals
Minor - 14 points, 5 rebounds and 3 assists
Brown - 11 points and 5 rebounds
Wright - 11 points

Gallaudet Bison (6-2) will take a month off until first week of January in beautiful and historic city of St. Augustine, Florida at Flagler College for a four teams tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cuainfo on December 09, 2005, 02:52:34 AM
STEVENSON, MD-- Shane Sowden scored 18 points and was one rebound shy of a double-double as CUA earned a crucial road win over Villa Julie, 67-59.

Sowden led CUA (6-1) with four blocked shots, increasing his Capital Athletic Conference-leading total to 16 for the season, and led the Cards with nine rebounds.

Scott Fumai added 14 points and Pat Satalin 13 for the Cardinals (6-1), who used a late 15-2 run to turn a five-point deficit into a 61-53 lead with 1:54 to play.

Anthony Fitzgerald scored a game-high 20 points and secured nine rebounds for Villa Julie (5-2). Catholic improved to 8-0 all-time against the Mustangs.

Villa Julie led 51-46 with 9:07 to play on a Phillip Williams' layup. Sowden scored six points during the ensuing 15-2 run and Satalin five. Satalin's 3-pointer made it 59-53 at the 3:24 mark and Sowden punctuated the flurry with a slam dunk off a Mike Wasilenko feed.

Satalin hit all eight of his free throws to remain perfect on the season, including two with 27.7 seconds left to boost the Cards' lead to 65-59.

CUA travels to Davidson, North Carolina this Saturday for a showdown with Division I opponent and defending Southern Conference champion Davidson College at 7:00 p.m.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mlb on December 09, 2005, 06:56:46 AM
Sunny

I don't mean to be argumentative, but when you're dealing with a question of medical fact it's frustrating to listen to nonsensical rant.

For anyone to say that "age" doesn't make a difference, they are contradicting the "normal" physical development cycle.  If someone chose to use their college eligibility from ages 22-26 rather than 18-22 (the "norm"), that person would have a physical advantage.  Why do high schools limit the age of the participant to 19?

Don't try to compare out of shape alumni with "in-shape" students.  That's the equivalent of comparing apples and oranges.  Compare in shape students with equivalently sized in shape 25 year old athletes and tell me who is stronger. 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: thebison on December 09, 2005, 09:26:30 AM
Makes me wonder whether or not the SMC posters here have taken that class and if we should trust what they say...

Prank class tries to fool news outlets

By Matt Krupnick

CONTRA COSTA TIMES


The students in Ray Beldner's class have some great stories to tell. Imagine if they were true.

Beldner, an artist, teaches a St. Mary's College class called "Pranks: Culture jamming as social activism." Among his students' projects this term was the distribution of a news release touting a fictional bar to be opened near the Moraga campus.

The news release was sent to the Times, the Associated Press and several other Bay Area newspapers. None published the information as news, although the Times ran a brief item on the hoax itself after a reporter spent several hours researching the nonexistent bar.

Beldner said he wanted to teach students how to bring issues to the public eye using creative methods. His course syllabus defines "culture jamming" as "a resistance movement to the perceived hegemony of popular culture."

"These are serious-minded pranks," he said. "It's not just about people goofing around."

But journalists already have their hands full sifting facts from fiction without having to worry about deliberate misinformation, said Austin Long-Scott, who teaches journalism ethics at San Francisco State University. He compared the hoax to a computer virus.

"He is teaching students to try to screw up an important system that has enough trouble getting things right," Long-Scott said. "It's a destructive thing to do, and it violates a general societal ethic."

Destructive or not, Beldner said he would not stop his students from continuing to perpetuate a fictional issue, even if it led to an incorrect news story being published.

"We'd have to cross that bridge when we got to it," he said.

A college spokeswoman declined to say whether Beldner would be asked to stop his students from sending out false information, saying such a decision would be "premature."

St. Mary's sophomore Scott Leslie, one of the writers of the fake news release, said his group decided not to keep up the hoax after a journalist friend of his told him it would be a bad idea.

"Then you get into issues of the truth and stuff," said Leslie, 19.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 09, 2005, 09:54:58 AM
The article is about the St. Mary's college in California, not Maryland.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on December 09, 2005, 02:48:06 PM
Quote from: cuainfo on December 09, 2005, 02:52:34 AM
STEVENSON, MD-- Shane Sowden scored 18 points and was one rebound shy of a double-double as CUA earned a crucial road win over Villa Julie, 67-59.

The line score in my copy of today's Washington Post says Villa Julie 59, Catholic 57.  Don't believe everything you read in the Post. Glad I checked Posting Up.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 09, 2005, 03:21:11 PM
DUH! I was thinking Dickinson the entire time.

Sorry about that... I have been a bit out of it recently with all this damn snow coverage and earlier than usual mornings. So, as I posted that I certainly was thinking Dickinson.

To ammend... CUA has a VERY tough game against Davidson to finish up - but it won't hurt them since in the world of Division III, that game doesn't appear on the win or loss column (it will be there, but not when talking about teams making the playoffs).
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: thebison on December 09, 2005, 03:40:30 PM
I didn't realize the article was talkin abt the St. Mary's in California- either way I posted it as a joke with all the hoopla about the article about the drug bust-

Are there any more important CAC games remaining before the break? I know that St. Mary's is playing Wesley on December 19th, so I think it'll be a good measuring stick for Gally's win last night.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mlb on December 09, 2005, 04:16:02 PM
d-mac

Thanks for the amended response.  I thought that maybe you really were biased against CUA.

As for remaining games, CUA has Davidson and McDaniel.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mlb on December 09, 2005, 06:06:14 PM
I noticed that both teams CUA beat early in the year are starting to win - Salve-Regina and U Mass - Dartmouth.  Salve-Regina is 6-2 and UMD is 4-3.  In total, CUA is 5-0 against teams with a combined record of 22-8 against opponents other than CUA.  Haverford is the only team with a losing record.

Does this matter when evaluating schedules?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 10, 2005, 12:45:15 AM
If the opponents are regional ones yes, otherwise, it's unlikely to become a factor.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mlb on December 10, 2005, 11:14:42 AM
Why is it that the NCAA is so focused on "regional" games as it relates to D-III.  They are purportedly trying to establish a "national" champion, but if a particular region has an abundance of strong teams it seems that the field is weakened due to the regional limitations.

I understand travel and the scholar-athlete.  What is the real issue - money or academics?  My bet is that it is the $$$ and that they hide behind the academic argument.

I will also bet that if they just admitted to the $$$ issue, the teams that needed the money to travel in the tournament would be able to raise it.

So how do we get it changed?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: muchacho on December 10, 2005, 12:47:41 PM
I'll be interested to see how Catholic competes against Davidson tonight. Davidson is 4-2 and has beaten Missouri, St. Joes, and UMass. One of their two losses was to Duke. I think there are a lot of upper level D1 schools that would be worried about playing Davidson, much less a D3 school.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mlb on December 10, 2005, 01:18:31 PM
Muchacho

I agree with you relative to Davidson - two Atlantic 10, a Big 12 and an ACC game on their schedule and they have won 3 out of 4.  Davidson is a good basketball program.  I'm not sure why they picked up two D-III schools.  Their RPI rating was high.  I believe that it was in the top 20 in the country.  I am sure that will fall after these two games.  Especially if they don't blow the two D-III schools out of the gym.

I watched R-MC play George Washington last year.  GW is a top 20 team.  They were going to play Wake Forest the following week.  They blew R-MC out of the gym.  It was something like 107-48.  Not sure what either team accomplished.

I am a little worried about Catholic and how they approach this game.  Davidson will pressure CUA full court and make them run.  CUA has some good shooters and if they can avoid turnovers, it could be a fun game.  CUA is also deep.  They don't lose much when they go to their next 5. 

I am going to listen to the game for awhile anyhow.  It is being broadcast via the web on teamline.com.  The link is below for tonight's game.

http://www.teamline.cc/sportpages.html?teamcode=1143&eventcode=0021

Not sure why it didn't post as a link, but this is the address anyhow.

Let's see how they do.  Go Cards!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 10, 2005, 01:56:32 PM
Thanks MLB.  I was contemplating going down to Charlotte, but just too tough--if it wasn't Christmas season (only this and next weekend left, really, since Christmas is on a Sunday!)

Cards are off for finals until Dec. 19 against McDaniel, then resume action at Susquehanna Jan 4, with the next home game not until Jan. 7-8 for the Pepsi Classic.

As for Davidson, I hope they're able to keep it a game, at least.  I'm sure that the game, is, shall we say, good for the program...
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on December 10, 2005, 05:54:08 PM
Ray Williams hits a runner in the lane to give Salisbury a two point lead over York with 1.6 seconds left. More details shortly.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on December 10, 2005, 05:56:49 PM
Final from Salisbury....

Salisbury 69-York 67

York's inbounds pass is picked off as the Gulls knock off their second ranked opponent at home this season.

More details when I get the box
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: unreallawns on December 10, 2005, 05:59:39 PM
Wow!  A huge win for Salisbury.  6-4 going into the break with all of the momentum.  Salisbury did play York tough last year.  They are definitly a team to watch for.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: unreallawns on December 10, 2005, 06:12:22 PM
Washington College played Davidson 2 years ago and lost 114-51.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on December 10, 2005, 06:18:06 PM
Final stats from Salisbury..
Williams leads the Gulls with 21 points while Justin Rice adds 14. Gary Ward is the third Gull in double figures with 12 points.

Kenny Fass leads York with 19 points while Brandon Bushey contributes 17. Chad McGowan records 12 points while Paddy Lee has 10 rebounds, four points, five assists, and three steals.

Salisbury out rebounds York 45-39 and the Gulls go 11-for-22 from three for the game. Salisbury remains unbeaten at home and the loss is the first for YCP.

York travels to Juniata on Monday for their final game of the first semester schedule. Game time is 7:30

Game Box
http://www.ycp.edu/sports/mens_basketball/2005/YCPMBB06.HTM
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: smcmsid on December 10, 2005, 06:32:18 PM
St. Mary's (MD) 88, Averett 81

Sophomore guard Tyson Lesesne scored a game-high 34 points on 10-of-18 shooting from the field for the Seahawks. Junior guard Valdez Preston scored 18 points while sophomore guard/forward T.J. Jordan posted a double-double with 14 points and a game-high tying ten rebounds, while shooting a perfect 4-for-4 from the field.

Senior guard Sterling Williams led the Cougars with 22 points while junior forward Andrew Boor scored 15 points on 6-for-7 shooting from the field. Sophomore guard Cameron Brown scored ten points with freshman guard Dominique Stevenson posting a game-high nine assists. Freshman forward Rafael DeLeon tied Jordan with a game-high tying ten rebounds in the losing effort.

Both teams shot well in the contest as the Seahawks finished by converting on 50.0 percent (29-58) of their total attempts. Averett connected on 45.3 percent (29-64) of their shots throughout the course of the contest.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on December 10, 2005, 06:32:41 PM
Just like last year the Spartans first L of the year is a 2 point CAC road loss. Good game from SAL who now have two wins over the top 25 this year. Now YCP has to come out and hammer Juniata on monday so they can come home at the end of the month with another win under their belts.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cugrad on December 10, 2005, 07:54:31 PM
Davidson leads Catholic, 34-17, at halftime. The Cardinals are shooting 16% from the floor. Sowden has 11 points.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cugrad on December 10, 2005, 08:18:50 PM
Davidson leads Catholic, 50-32, with 12:46 left in the game.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cugrad on December 10, 2005, 08:28:15 PM
Davidson leads Catholic,54-33,with about 10 minutes left.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cuabigdog on December 10, 2005, 08:42:23 PM
445 left in game Davidson  71 CUA 40
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cuabigdog on December 10, 2005, 08:48:04 PM
2:51 left    Davidson 75 CUA 48    Sowden leads all scorers with 19
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cuabigdog on December 10, 2005, 08:54:09 PM
 -- GAME TOTALS -- 2nd period -- 00:01 remaining
HOME TEAM: Davidson                  80  VISITORS: Catholic                   56
## -NAME-  FG-FA 3M-3A FT-FA RB AS F TP  ## -NAME-  FG-FA 3M-3A FT-FA RB AS F TP
02 RICHARD  2-2   0-0   2-2   2  4 3  6  01*WASILEN  2-4   1-1   0-0   0  1 1  5
04 MCKILLO  2-4   2-4   0-0   2  2 0  6  10 KELLY,A  0-2   0-0   0-0   6  2 2  0
05 MENO,BO  1-1   0-0   4-4   4  1 4  6  14*SATALIN  2-7   1-6   2-2   7  7 0  7
12 GRANT,K  1-4   0-1   2-3   1  6 3  4  20 YARBROU  0-1   0-1   0-0   1  0 1  0
14*PAULHUS  0-0   0-0   2-2   1  1 2  2  21 WHEELER  1-6   0-0   0-0   3  2 3  2
15 SANDER,  3-6   0-0   0-1   7  1 1  6  23 PAPAGEO  1-2   1-1   3-4   1  0 0  6
22 JOHNSON  5-8   2-2   2-3   5  1 2 14  24 OLIVERO  1-3   0-1   0-0   0  0 0  2
24*CIVI,CA  0-0   0-0   0-0   0  1 0  0  25*KELLY,S  0-0   0-0   0-0   1  0 0  0
25*FALCONI  1-1   1-1   0-0   0  1 0  3  33 FUMAI,S  2-10  1-6   2-2   3  0 3  7
30 BLANCET  2-4   1-2   0-2   1  2 0  5  34*DWYER,P  1-6   1-3   3-7   3  1 4  6
32 WINTERS  4-11  2-6   6-6   5  0 2 16  42*SOWDEN,  6-8   0-0   7-8   1  0 4 19
34 MORTON,  3-9   2-6   0-0   2  1 0  8  44 BAKER,A  1-2   0-0   0-0   4  0 0  2
40*CLUNIE,  0-1   0-1   0-0   1  0 0  0  54 SPIEREN  0-0   0-0   0-0   0  0 4  0
41*LOVEDAL  2-6   0-0   0-1   3  1 4  4                                         

TOTALS.... 26-57 10-23 18-24 37 22 21    TOTALS.... 17-51  5-19 17-23 35 13 22 
TEAM--> FG:45.6%  3FG:43.5%  FT:75.0%    TEAM--> FG:33.3%  3FG:26.3%  FT:73.9% 
TEAM--> TURNOVERS:12 BLOCKS:2 STEALS:9   TEAM--> TURNOVERS:19 BLOCKS:2 STEALS:3
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cugrad on December 10, 2005, 08:55:55 PM
Davidson beats Catholic, 80-56. Cards played much better in the second half. Though Sowden was in foul trouble, he still played very well, leading Catholic with 19 points.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: muchacho on December 10, 2005, 10:20:45 PM
Congrats to Salisbury on beating York. That makes things a lot more interesting early in the CAC season with the teams that most people thought were the top 2 already with a loss each.

Interesting result from Catholic's game with Davidson. It looks like Shane Showden really showed his talent, and performed on par with the talent at Davidson. Its too bad that the rest of Catholic's players didnt' seem to shine, but it appears that Catholic did a decent job defensively and on the boards. Next up for Davidson is St. Marys, so lets see what Lesesne can do against good competition.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 10, 2005, 11:24:28 PM
Nice showing by CUA down there...it was nice to see them on the ESPN News ticker, and Davidson's margin of victory was barely better than Duke's.  They didn't get blown out of the building, it looks like they actually played pretty good defense.  Guard play is always where its a huge challenge in this type of situation--the quickness and natural ability of a solid D1 guard is hard to compete with.  But Shane Sowden, at this point, IS a D1 Caliber player and he proved it tonight and against American, where he also led all scorers.

I'm shocked that York went down, but...that's why they play the games! Puts York and CUA back at square one...you can argue which loss is worse (margin worse for CUA, but opponent worse for York), so its kind of a wash.  Huge win for Salisbury though---they played CUA VERY tough in the CAC tournament last year.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 11, 2005, 01:42:29 AM
Sorta related...Mike Longeran's Vermont Catamounts beat New Hampshire tonight to improve to 3-4.  They've also beaten Wagner and Holy Cross.  The lost by just 10 at Providence at 7 at Harvard, but have  to play at Pitt coming up...

Considering they had virtually no holdover talent from last year and are incredibly young, a good showing so far for Mike.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cugrad on December 11, 2005, 01:46:04 AM
Catholic played Davidson tough. Davidson is not a weak D-1 team. This is a team that led Maryland by about 13 points at halftime last March in the NIT. They are a legit NCAA tournament contender! This is a team that led Missouri by 18 with 14 minutes left in the game earlier this week. Catholic was down 18 with about 11 minutes left in the game. Great gane by Sowden! The Cards played them evenly in most categories except three point shooting. Hopefully, the Cards will play with the same intensity throughout the rest of the season.

GO Cards!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: seahawks on December 11, 2005, 03:31:24 AM
All the sudden the CAC is not "good competition"..... I thought the CAC was supposedly all the sudden a good conference.  How about we stop hating on Tyson Lesesne and start appreciating his game.  THE KID CAN PLAY BASKETBALL.  Everybody wants to get bitter and talk S#@! but lets jujst give credit where credit is due.  Salisbury, great win, could be a tough competitor in the CAC.  York still the favorite, obviously.  Catholic gonna play tough no matter who they play.  Mary Wash can beat anybody, anywhere at any given time.....  SMC a team to be reckoned with.  Sowden and Lesesne the two best players in the CAC, hands down....Baker a close third because of his impressive showing this year, very good player.  Lets go Hawks and lets put the rumors to rest and enjoy the CAC season.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cuainfo on December 11, 2005, 05:55:00 AM
DAVIDSON, N.C. -- For the second straight game, Davidson led from wire-to-wire, defeating Catholic University on Saturday evening at Belk Arena, 80-56. Senior Brendan Winters posted a team-high 16 points to surpass 1,500 in his career and lead Davidson to its 12th straight home win while improving to 5-2 on the season. The Cardinals, ranked 25th in the preseason Division III polls, dropped to 6-2.

Winters, the reigning Southern Conference Player of the Year, hit 4-of-11 shots from the floor as well as all six foul shots to tally his 16 points. He now has 1,509 points in his career, moving into ninth place on Davidson's all-time list, ahead of former NBA player Brandon Williams ' 96.

The Wildcat defense was dominant in the opening stanza, holding Catholic to just 4-of-25 (.160) from the floor, including 0-of-9 on three-point attempts. The Cardinals did hold their own on the boards, hauling in 20 off the glass to 19 for Davidson.

While Catholic was struggling to find its stroke, the Wildcats also started slowly, connecting on just three of their first 12 shots, yet still led eight minutes into the game, 11-5. But Davidson went on to hit six of its next seven shots, which began a 12-0 run as the 'Cats built a 30-11 lead. Senior Ian Johnson canned his second of two three-pointers to culminate the run.

After the Johnson three, Davidson went scoreless for more than four minutes while the Cardinals drained six free throws. The Wildcats finished the half with buckets by Johnson and Jason Morton to take a 34-17 lead into the locker room.

Davidson gradually extended its lead in the second half, with Johnson knocking down a jumper with 11:14 left for a 52-32 lead. The Wildcat lead never dropped below 20 again and grew to as many as 31 as head coach Bob McKillop cleared his bench. Both teams shot 50 percent from the floor and from downtown over the final 20 minutes. Davidson finished the game with a slight rebounding edge, 37-35, and handed out 22 assists on its 26 field goals.

Johnson was the only other Wildcat in double figures with 14 points, 10 coming in the first half. Sophomore Thomas Sander came off the bench to snare a team-high seven rebounds, and senior point guard Kenny Grant dished off six assists.

Davidson entered the week sixth in the country in fewest turnovers per game, but its 12 in the game was just over its season average of 10.7 per game. Catholic, meanwhile, turned the ball over 19 times.

The Wildcats drilled 10-of-23 (.435) three-pointers, just the second time this season they have scored at least 10 in a game. And their season-low 75 percent from the foul line (18-of-24) knocks them from the top spot in the country for free throw percentage, which had been .844.

Center Shane Sowden starred for Catholic, scoring a game-high 19 points on 6-of-8 from the floor and 7-of-8 from the charity stripe. No other Cardinal managed to tally more than seven points as the squad shot just 33.3 percent (17-of-51) on its field goals.

Davidson returns to the court following the completion of first-semester exams on Dec. 15 when it hosts another Division III opponent, St. Mary's (Md.), at 7 p.m. Catholic will host McDaniel on Dec. 19 at 7 p.m.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on December 11, 2005, 10:19:01 AM
nice to see Mary Washington Uni atop the leader board this year for the first time. Hopefully they put on a good show out in Vegas...though they will have a tough time against UW-Oshgosh....
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on December 11, 2005, 10:34:13 AM
Quote from: seahawks on December 11, 2005, 03:31:24 AM
Sowden and Lesesne the two best players in the CAC, hands down....Baker a close third...
Call me a homer, but I disagree. Baker has been as good or better than any player in the CAC this year... Averaging 24 a game (only because he only had 13 in 20 minutes against the Bible school). He went for 28 against CUA and 25 and 10 against SMC, and I think anyone who saw those games would agree that he can do everything well - rebound, penetrate, shoot, defend, pass... In the SMC game, he also had seven assists and five steals. Also, in the season opening tourney, he won tournament MVP despite the fact that we didn't win the tourney. (AND he's 8-11 from behind the 3-pt line this year).

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bison1 on December 11, 2005, 02:29:38 PM
it is early in the season,but the bisons are showing they will have a impact in the cac this season...they play tough defense and now they have 2 freshman that compliment their top players,who everybody knows about frank jackson and robert haney jr..but what is making the team this year click so well is a pair of freshman guards luther weedon and jon mowl,they are giving the support needed to make the team alot better..luther is a deadly shooter and we he gets more playing time his numbers will reflect just that..DONT COUNT OUT THE BISONS!!!! ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mlb on December 11, 2005, 06:40:29 PM
CUA showed "okay" against Davidson.  I am not sure that Davidson couldn't have blown them out by more if they had tried.  Sowden did show that he could play D-I ball if he chose to.  Not sure that anyone else on Catholic played up to that level.

It looked and sounded like CUA struggled with guard play.  Shooting was obviously a problem based upon the 4-25 first half.  It's hard for a 5'10'' guard to get their shot off against a more athletic, bigger kid.  The result is that they start hurrying the shot and get out of rhythm quickly.  It's just more of the reason that I don't like the game.

Well, they have a week to get through finals and then get ready for McDaniel - who looks to be a decent opponent.  Certainly no pushover going into the break.  If they can get the W next Monday, it would be a nice first way to complete this first "section" of the season.

It will be interesting to see if CUA can be more consistent getting the ball inside and letting their strong inside game set up the outside game.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: njlincolnlion on December 12, 2005, 09:06:01 AM
I'm a bit late on this one, but great win for Salisbury this past weekend.  The second win over a ranked team so far.  The Gulls needs to be more consistent in order to move up to the next level.

Should be an interesting year in the CAC this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on December 12, 2005, 09:32:22 AM
Quote from: njlincolnlion on December 12, 2005, 09:06:01 AM
Should be an interesting year in the CAC this year.

Already is  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on December 12, 2005, 11:40:57 AM
A posting on another d3 board says Catholic & Goucher are pulling out of the CAC in fall 2007:

http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=4134.new#new
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on December 12, 2005, 12:10:34 PM
If that news is confirmed, it has implications for many other schools - not just the institutions involved in the move.  My first question would be: "what happens to the CAC?"  Will the conference continue on with only six teams? 

Given the increased travel times, it's clear that Catholic and Goucher are willing to make sacrifices to make this happen.  Might such motivation be the desire to be associated with "like-minded schools," as the Centennial institutions declared during their bolt from the MAC?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: zonescantstopme on December 12, 2005, 01:49:21 PM
Any word on any teams that might take the place of Catholic and Goucher?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 12, 2005, 02:09:56 PM
Well, now that its out there, yes, Catholic and Goucher will be leaving the CAC in 2007.  There are a lot of reasons for a move like this, but I for one an excited to see Catholic in a more 'East Coast' league that will enable them to increase their precense in areas where they now don't play (and thus have a harder time recruiting).  This will also pair Catholic with a group of schools that more closely resemble it, especially in terms of tuition costs and academics.


Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on December 12, 2005, 02:26:39 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on December 12, 2005, 02:09:56 PM
This will also pair Catholic with a group of schools that more closely resemble it, especially in terms of tuition costs and academics.

What does this mean?
 
E.g., U.S. Merchant Marine Academy, one of the members of this new league, is tuition free, isn't it?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 12, 2005, 02:46:58 PM
The move is official... and should be interesting. I haven't don all the research just yet, but the conference will certainly be a bit more balanced in all sports (SAL overmatches everyone else in most every other sport in the CAC) and will provide a more even playing field for Goucher and Catholic. Right now they are the two most expensive and smallest schools in the CAC... playing against cheaper bigger schools like SAL.

It will be interesting in the coming weeks to learn more... and we may learn even more tomorrow Hoopsville (hint, hint!).
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on December 12, 2005, 03:02:14 PM
Quote from: d-mac on December 12, 2005, 02:46:58 PM
Right now they are the two most expensive and smallest schools in the CAC... playing against cheaper bigger schools like SAL.

? St. Mary's has about 2/3 the number of undergrads that Catholic has, doesn't it?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 12, 2005, 03:03:19 PM
Quote from: zonescantstopme on December 12, 2005, 01:49:21 PM
Any word on any teams that might take the place of Catholic and Goucher?

On the front page.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 12, 2005, 04:33:57 PM
St. Mary's has around 1800 undergrads, Catholic is more like 2200-2400, yes.  I'm not sure what the tuition situation at Kings Point is.

There are exceptions...you've found two.  Put an 'in general' in front of what D-Mac and I said about size and cost, though, and its accurate.  For the most part, the CAC schools are significantly cheaper (a CUA education will run you upwards of $30k) and larger for undergrads.  Catholic University started out as a graduate school, and without looking it up I'd guess that CUA probably awards more graduate degrees (include law degrees) than any other CAC school, so that sometimes leads to a perception that it is larger than it really is.

Goucher, CUA, Drew, Moravian, Juanita and Susquehanna are all particularly similar--much more so than CUA is with Salisbury or Mary Washington...The private schools in the CAC tend to be less expensive (York, Marymount) or highly specialized (Galluadet).  SMC, Mary Washington, Salisbury are all much, much cheaper.

There's more to it than that, of course, but that is one aspect.

From a fan standpoint, I'm pleased to not have to put up with the level of officiating in the CAC.  The new league certainly can't be any worse.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 12, 2005, 04:39:47 PM
As a national service academy, yes, Kings Point has free tuition. However, since you need an appointment to even get in the place I think it's not really comparable to offering free tuition at a normal college.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on December 12, 2005, 09:29:03 PM
Final from Juniata...
The #6 Spartans bounce back with an 82-74 win at Juniata. I will post more details as they become available. York is now off until they host the White Rose City Classic on December 29 & 30. It will be nice to be back home in the kitchen!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on December 12, 2005, 09:36:58 PM
Looks like the CAC AD's may have had an eye toward this change when they made the schedule what with Wesley popping up on a few teams list of games. York also was set to play Hood for the first time ever.
   In tonight's game vs Juniata York lead 45-41 at the half and despite some issues with the zone D of the Eagles  in the second half they won 82-74. Chad McGowan had 19 to lead YCP and Brandon Bushey appears to be nearly back to one hundred percent. York goes into the Christmas break 6-1 (1-1) in much the same situation record wise as they did last year, only one loss on the road to a CAC team. They had three more wins last year, and lost one game to weather this year, and the biggest win in each semester was Albright.
   It doesn't look like the same team, however, as they seem to have a hard time putting teams away. In tonight's game foul shooting was an issue and they lacked the huge offensive run they used much of last year to distance themselves midway through the second half. This may just be a team that needs a bit of a reality check after having so much success last year or it could be emblematic of a group that needs to run wind sprints and shoot free throws for a few hours a day over the break. Either way I know Coach Gamber will have the boys ready to play for the White Rose City Classic on the 29th vs Mt. Union.
   As for tomorrow's poll my guess is that the voters will take the chance to drop York as far as 21, where they were last year. I don't think anyone really wanted to rank them as high as they have been but since they were returning almost all of their final four team some people were just waiting for the chance. I think a drop as low as 15 would be acceptable but a road loss to a division team who already has a win over a top 25 team should only cost you 5 or 6 spots.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on December 12, 2005, 10:46:33 PM
Details from Juniata....

York was paced by Chad McGowan as the sophomore tossed in 19 points while he also had four rebounds, four blocks, and two assists. Brandon Bushey added 17 points , four rebounds, and three assists as he has been very good in the Spartans' last three games. Bushey was 5-for-10 from the floor including 3-for-6 from three while he converted all four of his free throw attempts. Brian Singer was the third Spartan in double figures with 13 points, a game-high eight rebounds and two blocked shots. Kenny Fass and Paddy Lee each added nine points and five rebounds. Lee also had two steals, two blocks, and two assists.

Box Score
http://www.ycp.edu/sports/mens_basketball/2005/YCPMBB07.HTM

And Kitchenrat, don't worry about your boys. Juniata is a solid team and this was York's third game in six days before exams get ready to start. The Spartans will be fine.
It's also different from last year as York gets everyone's best effort. Ask Catholic what it was like to play their season after their national championship. It's a whole different game when you are the marked team.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on December 13, 2005, 07:47:33 AM
Looks like York drops to #10 after the loss to Sal, which seems about right. The rest of the top 10 held in place so the Spartans just got put to the back of the line in the Top 10.
    My last post was not intended to show worry, because I realize that there is a target on the Spartans back. I trust in the guys on the floor and in Coach Gamber to put forth the best effort each night, and so far this season that is what we have seen. I think in a lot of ways the team is better than last year, but I have to admit that like the other teams they play this year I have stepped up my expectations as well. I can't have any qualms about a 6-1 start and with the only loss coming to a conference foe and the one team we have played more than any other. I am one person who believes that this group of players can step forward as one of the best teams in the nation, and I look for the signs of that ability in each game. I know that once finals are done coach gets to spend a little more time with the guys and I hope that will lead to more fluidity in their game which could result in pushing ahead of the pack in late February and on into March.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 13, 2005, 08:04:51 AM
Quote from: kitchenrat on December 12, 2005, 09:36:58 PM
Looks like the CAC AD's may have had an eye toward this change when they made the schedule what with Wesley popping up on a few teams list of games. York also was set to play Hood for the first time ever.

I would argue that while it might "look" like that on paper... its not true. The conference talk only happened in the last month or two... and far too quickly and too late for coaches to schedule games against those opponents.

Now, while I do know that some coaches fill in their schedules at the last minute, I don't think they added teams in October when this chat started.

Now... the CAC might have been aware this was going to happen, but as Pat as pointed out in many places, this was a surprise as to when it was announced. Many suspected it wouldn't come up until after the NCAA vote. Also, you had to think the CAC knew about it since VJC has already agreed to jump into the CAC.

Oh, there are many people who think maybe YCP will re-evaluate thier position. The MAC is going to be looking for some schools and YCP is a great school to add (all-be-it without a football team). I would not be surprised to see YCP leave the CAC and join the MAC... and then just watch the dominoes fall.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on December 13, 2005, 08:15:08 AM
Quote from: d-mac on December 13, 2005, 08:04:51 AM
Quote from: kitchenrat on December 12, 2005, 09:36:58 PM


Now... the CAC might have been aware this was going to happen, but as Pat as pointed out in many places, this was a surprise as to when it was announced. Many suspected it wouldn't come up until after the NCAA vote. Also, you had to think the CAC knew about it since VJC has already agreed to jump into the CAC.

Oh, there are many people who think maybe YCP will re-evaluate thier position. The MAC is going to be looking for some schools and YCP is a great school to add (all-be-it without a football team). I would not be surprised to see YCP leave the CAC and join the MAC... and then just watch the dominoes fall.

On the football board back in late August/early September, an official at FDU-Florham mentioned the upcoming football defections, and they proved to be the first falling domino. A month ago, the advent of the new "Interstate Eight Conference" (a great name, courtesy Webmaster Pat) was known to administrators at MAC institutions.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Coach C on December 13, 2005, 09:15:50 AM
W -

the MAC is REALLY looking hard for football schools though.  There are plenty of folks who want into the MAC who dont have football (look at the PAC for instance).  The other issue that YCP faces is its comparatively low tuition in comparision to the rest of the MAC, a sore point in terms of enrollment competition.

C
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 13, 2005, 09:35:16 AM
York's ranking is fair...CUA dropped a bunch of votes, which I don't really understand because they didn't do anything to deserve it---beat a pretty good team on the road, and then lost to a good Division 1 team.  Maybe some voters just looked at the record and nothing else...

Yes, I can attest to how hard it is to repeat.  Ultimately, Catholic lost just 3 games that year, but one of them was in the Sweet 16 in a sectional they were hosting.  CUA had a rookie (freshman) point guard starting and, if memory serves, carried the #1 ranking in the nation into Marymount in Feburary and got upset (Catholic fans barely got out of that place alive)...
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 13, 2005, 12:28:15 PM
Matt,

I would say that if you can't name the poll in which Catholic was No. 1, and if it doesn't exist anymore, then it doesn't make a sound.

Catholic was never higher than No. 2 in the D3hoops.com Top 25 that season. If some fly-by-night organization thought it could create a poll that year that doesn't mean it's worth reading.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 13, 2005, 02:17:18 PM
This is from a Catholic press release from the game before the Marymount in February:

"as Catholic, ranked No. 1 in the nation in the Division III coaches' poll and No. 2 by D3hoops.com, improved to 20-1, 11-0 CAC."

A previous press release references 'D3 Basketball News.' as another (or maybe the same?) source of the #1 ranking.

But they were only ranked #2 in the D3hoops.com poll, and since that is the most credible go ahead and go with that one.  I did say 'if memory serves,' after all.  I thought they were #1 in the d3hoops.com poll, too, but apparently I was mistaken.  I was off by one.  Sorry.

But, really, I think you still get my point--they were ranked highly going into that game.



Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: patsfan18 on December 13, 2005, 02:27:46 PM
oh, when we beat catholic when they were #1...those were the days. that was when we had a competant coach and players actually playing the positions they were recruited to play...how i miss those days. we are some rowdy fans though :) i always love watching cua/mu games
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Coach C on December 13, 2005, 02:35:54 PM
Matt -

There is only one poll in the D3 world that is universally recognized.  Pat has become the master of all he surveys.  (He still has to shovel the snow however.)

C
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 13, 2005, 03:50:02 PM
Ahh, but J-Hov, you didn't beat Catholic when they were #1...they were only #2!  Yes, those were good games--rough games.  I remember Bobby Henning got tripped in that game and sprained his ankle--no foul but it didn't look incidental...

It was tough going into that place...borderline dangerous after that particular game. 

Yes, the d3hoops.com is THE poll.  No question.  Nobody on here has ever claimed otherwise. I just though Catholic was #1 in that poll, and it turns out they were #2....



Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 13, 2005, 04:28:50 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on December 13, 2005, 02:17:18 PM
This is from a Catholic press release from the game before the Marymount in February:

"as Catholic, ranked No. 1 in the nation in the Division III coaches' poll and No. 2 by D3hoops.com, improved to 20-1, 11-0 CAC."

A previous press release references 'D3 Basketball News.' as another (or maybe the same?) source of the #1 ranking.

But they were only ranked #2 in the D3hoops.com poll, and since that is the most credible go ahead and go with that one.  I did say 'if memory serves,' after all.  I thought they were #1 in the d3hoops.com poll, too, but apparently I was mistaken.  I was off by one.  Sorry.

But, really, I think you still get my point--they were ranked highly going into that game.


Sheesh.

There was no coaches' poll that year. What a joke.

Basketball Times was the other poll. They did D-III for almost a whole season. In fact, they offered GRACIOUSLY to take over our poll and put their name on it, and were somehow miffed when we declined.

Oddly enough, we're still here. Them, not so much.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 13, 2005, 04:31:53 PM
Matt - you have to start staying with one story... I start getting confused when you switch your points and meanings everytime someone points out a flaw. You must be a Republican who really loves President Bush (media humor!) :).

As for the MAC really looking for football schools... I bet when pushed into a corner - like they are now - they are going to take whoever they can that is solid (i.e. York) to keep their two AQ's.  Not worth fishing around a pond that doesn't have a lot of fish... when you can switch to the other pond and get yourself a meal. They stuck to the "football as well" idea... and lost four teams that didn't want to be in the conference any more... and now have to look for schools to fill those holes.  I just don't see it happening while keeping the prestige of the MAC at a high level.

As for York falling a little bit, can't complain... they did lose... and they are still respected... so a couple spots ain't bad.

As for CUA... two things... one there are some teams in the Top-25 that lots of us have been watching and are proving they deserve points... and they all have better records than CUA... so I suspect some people decide to swing their votes. Not that surprising at this stage of the polling (in the season).

Complain if you are Illinois Wesleyan. They got all 25 1st place votes last week. They then beat Wash U (a good squad) by about 30... and lost two first place votes... one to Wooster (who had a good, but tough game against Wittenberg) and one to Amherst (and who have they played recently?).

Yes - Basketball Times was certainly gracious... just didn't get how to jump on a bandwagon... gracefully :).
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 13, 2005, 04:36:27 PM
Damned liberal media.... ;D

My singular point was that its hard to be the one everyone is gunning for.  That's it.  Whether Catholic 1, 2, or like York, 10, everybody was gunning for them and finally somebody got them.  That's it. 

We clear?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 13, 2005, 04:39:33 PM
Man - if you all only knew how much the media wasn't Liberal... you would be shocked.

Yes... Matt... I do agree and had a lengthy confersation today with a few people about how YCP simply has a target on them that is huge.

Let's also not forget, my sleeper pick for this conference is making me look good. Salisbury is a team - as YCP showed - no one should take lightly.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on December 13, 2005, 04:53:07 PM
Quote from: d-mac on December 13, 2005, 04:31:53 PM

As for the MAC really looking for football schools... I bet when pushed into a corner - like they are now - they are going to take whoever they can that is solid (i.e. York) to keep their two AQ's.  Not worth fishing around a pond that doesn't have a lot of fish... when you can switch to the other pond and get yourself a meal. They stuck to the "football as well" idea... and lost four teams that didn't want to be in the conference any more... and now have to look for schools to fill those holes.  I just don't see it happening while keeping the prestige of the MAC at a high level.

d-mac: I'm not certain what you're saying above. Can you simplify, please. (I'm likely extra dense today, given that Yuletide Insanity has struck our house in a very serious way .... )
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 13, 2005, 05:02:47 PM
I don't think there's too much that could shock me about the media anymore...We're both in this field, only different sides of it, so we see very different things. All I'll say is that local press is a much different (better) ballgame in terms of fairness--driven by completely different things that usually don't have much to do with politics.

We better end this line of discussion before it turns into a hijack.  Fortunately, its a slow basketball day...
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 13, 2005, 05:30:28 PM
Quote from: Coach C on December 13, 2005, 02:35:54 PM
Matt -

There is only one poll in the D3 world that is universally recognized.  Pat has become the master of all he surveys.  (He still has to shovel the snow however.)

Yeah, but he's now a dad - only another decade of snow shoveling! ;D

Of course, they eventually leave home and the shoveling begins again. >:(
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 13, 2005, 05:35:33 PM
Less than a decade. :)

Oldest is 8, I figure three years at most before she picks up a half-share. The 3-year-old will be ready to help her out before she leaves for college and the baby will be ready in a decade.

We're covered for a while!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 13, 2005, 06:09:47 PM
Pat, sorry to slight the older kids!  I remembered you posting about the baby, but either forgot or never knew about the older ones - yep, snow-shovelling should be sharply reduced within another 4-5 years!  (And should probably be somewhat reduced even now!)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: thebison on December 13, 2005, 08:24:16 PM
Lets not forget that Gally beat Salisbury, who everybody's raving about for beating York.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 13, 2005, 08:51:55 PM
How can we forget about the Bison... when you can't stop reminding us!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: manofgor24 on December 14, 2005, 12:09:50 AM
Salisbury lost to Gally on a desperation 3.  Salisbury played to their potential against York and actually out rebounded the Spartans.....yeah I had to check the stats again.  If Salisbury can control the boards, they are tough to beat.  I think Gally is as good as they have been in years but definately think that top to bottom, Salisbury is a better team. 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on December 14, 2005, 11:23:42 AM
Warren, Pat seems to be working it like my father did.  Have the kids far enough apart that you have several years that are relatively dish washing, lawn mowing, snow shoveling, leaf raking free.  I was the youngest and after I left for boot camp my father went out and bought a lawn tractor with a plow and they went and got a dishwasher too.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: unreallawns on December 14, 2005, 02:42:59 PM
I also agree that Salisbury overall is better than Gally and they will show it down the stretch.  Not to take anything away from Gally on their early season win.  Their place is one of the toughest place's to play.  Many teams do not plat well there.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: seahawks on December 15, 2005, 04:49:27 PM
St. Marys has a tough contest tonight at Davidson.  They will be playing without Tommy Bushell tonight due to illness so that makes them even more undersized then they already were to begin with.  Gonna quite a performance to make this a good game I would assume after seeing that Catholic was already blown out of the gym down in NC.  Hopefully SMC can play well and give them a run for their money...... good luck boys, play hard

spread Davidson -24.5
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Homj42 on December 15, 2005, 08:11:20 PM
Heard a rumor that Goucher may have some transfers coming in after semester.  Can anyone shed some light on that?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: unreallawns on December 15, 2005, 09:52:57 PM
I have heard the same thing about the Goucher transfers.  Supposedly a couple of big men.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: muchacho on December 15, 2005, 11:24:44 PM
Just saw the Davidson-St. Mary's score on the bottom line. Doesn't look like St. Mary's did too well.

http://www2.davidson.edu/athletics/prog_mv/mvbsk/mbskseasons/2005-06/boxes/050608.htm

The box shows Valdez Preston had a big game against the D-I school with 25 points and 7 rebounds.
While Catholic was able to hold their own with Davidson in terms of rebounding, St. Mary's was dominated 48-27. Comparitively it looks like Catholic put out a better defensive effort against Davidson than St. Mary's, but neither team did real well offensively.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mlb on December 16, 2005, 07:16:28 AM
It's hard to "evaluate" the performance of either St. Mary's or Catholic at Davidson.  It looks like St. Mary's struggled with them in both halves while CUA was able to play close to even in the 2nd half.

I guess that my rant will continue.  I see virtually no benefit - other than possible $$$ - of a D-III school playing a D-I school.  Most good D-III programs have at least 1 or 2 kids that could have played at the D-I level.  Maybe not as a "star", but certainly as a contributor.  However, the depth of the D-III program will never compete with a solid D-I program like Davidson. 

The unfortunate part is that I believe the subjective nature of the NCAA selection process - especially in D-III - is impacted by this decision.  When you look at the polls, there are votes cast based strictly upon overall record or prior/existing bias.  Generally, I don't really care about the polls.  However, they have influence over who gets to play in the post-season.  The unfortunate part is that unlike D-I, most of the voters have never seen the teams that they vote on play.  There is no television coverage.  Occasionally, there is a press release (sometimes it is even well written).  Most of the time, the voters make their selection based on a box score and historical knowledge and the bias builds over the year.

It will be interesting to see how the pollsters react to the tournament in Ashland next week.  R-MC is hosting a tournament with St. John Fishers and Lincoln.  Three teams in the current top 25 and at least 2 will add at least one loss.

Enough rambling.  Sorry for the rant, I shouldn't even post.  Bottom line is that the CAC is screwing itself by it's better teams going outside the conference and playing D-I opponents rather than taking on D-III teams from other conferences.  If the latter took place, there would at least be some form of empirical evidence from which to judge to the relative strength of the conference.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Coach C on December 16, 2005, 03:37:46 PM
mlb -

You are a brilliant man!

C
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 16, 2005, 04:16:00 PM
Quote from: seahawks on December 15, 2005, 04:49:27 PM
St. Marys has a tough contest tonight at Davidson.  They will be playing without Tommy Bushell tonight due to illness so that makes them even more undersized then they already were to begin with.  Gonna quite a performance to make this a good game I would assume after seeing that Catholic was already blown out of the gym down in NC.  Hopefully SMC can play well and give them a run for their money...... good luck boys, play hard

spread Davidson -24.5

Catholic didn't get 'blown out of the gym' in North Carolina.  They lost by 24 points...more than respectable.  And that's while shooting 16 percent in the first half.  The 2nd half CUA was only -8.  Sure, Davidson might have eased up a little bit, but their coach after the game commented that it was a competitive game that was closer than the final score indicated.   To put it in perspective, Catholic beat Marymount by 39, and that was with major easing up in the 2nd half.

Now, if you want to talk about being blown out of the gym, 112-59 would qualify--SMC lost by more than TWICE as much as Catholic did.   Catholic proved they can at least play defense with a good mid-level D1 team, St. Mary's didn't prove anything.

As for whether either team should have played this game, I'd have to disagree, at least when it comes to Catholic.  The object is not to get into the Top 25 poll (though that helps), its to get into the NCAA Tournament.  Come selection time, the NCAA completely disregards this game. It doesn't help or hurt Catholic.  Its played in December so its not fresh in anyone's mind.  Remember, the selection process for the D3 tournament is not the same as the D1 tourney.  Its weighed very heavily towards n-region games--if you were to play a good D3 team outside of your region--say, Williams or something, winning that game wouldn't do much for you either.

Why not allow your players a chance to see how they stack up against the 'big boys.'  How does Shane Sowden feel now knowing that he was the leading scorer against a D1 team?  Its not bad for recruiting.  Actually, its huge for recruiting when you consider the 'off the court' impact that game has.

As long as you can take away positives, I'm all in favor of playing this sort of game.  They key is that your team is good enough to actually be competitive.   There's a stronger argument against St. Mary's not playing...they got blown out, and I really don't know that you can take much positive out of their game.  But its still early enough to be able to learn from the mistakes you made in a game.  You have to play the best teams in order to learn how to beat them.  Catholic is never going to see another team that good, but that doesn't mean they can't learn from what happened in that game, maybe anticipate certain things better, etc.


And remember, CUA actually has beaten a D1 team (Albany)--that was a huge morale boost for the program.  So as much as I like and respect the two previous posters, this time I don't see it their way.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 16, 2005, 05:08:36 PM
"Hey recruit... once in awhile we play against a Division I school... we hardly ever win and usually lose by an average of 20 points. So, I can promise you that one game a year... your playing - minimum. Can't garuntee the rest of the season since we have lost one game in our schedule with that D1 game... so we have to really concentrate and not lose any more regional games. I really should use that one game I wasted to schedule a regional opponent so I have a better chance to make the playoffs. You understand."

Hmm - recruiting tool???

I'm sorry, but I don't buy the whole recruiting tool argument with D1 games. The player is coming to a D3 school for a reason. So, we can already assume D1 isn't interesting him that much. What does he want to tell his parents... "hey, we're playing Duke tonight... I should be able to play because we are going to get our butts whipped by the fifth minute"?

Great, so you are playing a D1 team... but the recruiting should be based on how you do in your conference, region, and playoffs (should you get there). One game isn't going to make or break a decision. If one team said they played a D1 school and never made the playoffs and the other played a D1 school and always made the playoffs (or the same scenario with or with out a D1 game), I am betting the player is going to choose the team that he thinks may win a title.

OH!!! And he might be picking the best SCHOOL for him! Since this is Division III and these are STUDENT-athletes (not to be confused with Division I's ATHLETIC-students).

Sorry... that D1 game means less than playing an out-of-region opponent.

Oh, and by the way... take a look next year at tournaments. I am on the fence on this, but if CUA or someone wants to head to California to take on some teams from all over the country... count those in your Regional Games column!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 16, 2005, 07:49:35 PM
I was trying to not $o $ubtley point on the po$itive impact on recruiting.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mlb on December 17, 2005, 08:58:56 AM
Matt

Guess what?  We know that it's always "all about the money"!

You're right, the kids in the program like to put themselves up against D-I competition.  The program benefits because of the $$$.  I guess that my position is a little bit personal.  I hate to lose, don't believe in "moral victories" and believe greatly in "momentum".  On that basis, I have a hard time supporting the D-I scheduling.

I would much rather see a regional game against someone from a purportedly "tough" conference within the region.  There are only so many "at-large" bids available and the strength of the conference weighs heavily in that decision.  Playing a D-I team does nothing to improve their position.  And, by the way, it does not specifically factor into the recruiting process.

Anyhow, the next few days should be interesting.  As I said, a big tourney down at R-MC this weekend (Sunday & Monday).  I think that Lincoln is for real and just doesn't have a history and we'll see how St. John's Fisher fits into that group.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: unreallawns on December 17, 2005, 05:56:59 PM
Did Lincoln get a new coach in the last year or two?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mlb on December 18, 2005, 09:51:15 AM
I don't know anything about the coaching situation at Lincoln, but I imagine you could tell by looking at their website.

Can anyone explain the Top 25 and UW-Oshkosh?  They are two last second baskets away from being 2-5 (they are actually now 4-3), yet they are ranked number 25 in the nation.  Who is promoting them?

UW-Steven Point and UW-Whitewater are both better in conference and in region yet they fall below them in the polls. 

Why is there such a midwest following?  I am not so sure that the basketball is all that much better in the midwest vs. the east coast.  I am just curious as to how much impact "local bias" has on the votes.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: unreallawns on December 18, 2005, 11:05:31 AM
Lincoln does in fact have a new coach who is in his second year.  The reason I asked was because in the past, Lincoln has had good players on their team but they never really that good.  Obviously the new coach is turning around the program.  Today's game against RMC should be a good one.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on December 18, 2005, 12:04:49 PM
Let's see UMW get some quality games out in Vegas - Win or lose..

However, I'm more interested in seeing whether Mike Lee comes alive to join Justin Baker as top scorer.

To those lucky MW alum going out to support the team - have fun and be safe out in Vegas.

Especially you, Pete.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Coach C on December 18, 2005, 12:57:46 PM
unreallawns -

Coach Yulle (sp) has been around Lincoln for a few years, but this is only his second year as head coach.  He seems to have things headed in the right direction and also to have strong campus support.

C
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Titan Q on December 18, 2005, 01:53:29 PM
mlb, UW-Oshkosh was everyone's preseason favorite in the Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference, the best league in the nation.  The Titans finished 19-8/11-5 last year and returned everyone. 

http://www.uwsa.edu/wiac/mbasket/0506menprev.pdf

For some reason, Oshkosh is not clicking yet in 2005-06, but you do have to take a look at who they're playing.  The 3 losses are @ #8 Lawrence in OT, @ the 2-time NCAA Division III defending national champs UW-Stevens Point, and to #12 UW-Stout by 3, the team most now consider the early WIAC favorite.  Oshkosh won a non-conference game on the road last night vs Carroll, a team I have heard people say is every bit as good as #8 Lawrence, also from the MWC.

I think the voters are smart enough to know that you demonstrate a little patience with a team that is talented enough to win the WIAC, and without question the Titans have that kind of talent.  There are not 25 teams in the country better than UW-Oshkosh.  Just from a pure size standpoint, they are a load...

G Chad Doedens (6-2/185, Jr)
G Andy Jahnke (6-3/200, Sr)
F Nathan Wesener (6-7/205, Jr)
F Jim Capelle (6-7/240, Jr)
C Kerry Gibson (7-1/245, Jr)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Titan Q on December 18, 2005, 02:01:53 PM
As far as "midwest vs east", I assume you mean that in common geographic terms as opposed to the actual Division III regions of the Midwest and East.  Teams from the midwest states have won 11 of the last 15 and 21 of the 31 total Division III titles (all but those in bold)...

2005: UW-Stevens Point
2004: UW-Stevens Point
2003: Williams
2002: Otterbein
2001: Catholic
2000: Calvin
1999: UW-Platteville
1998: UW-Platteville
1997: Illinois Wesleyan
1996: Rowan
1995: UW-Platteville
1994: Lebanon Valley
1993: Ohio Northern
1992: Calvin
1991: UW-Platteville
1990: Rochester
1989: UW-Whitewater
1988: Ohio Wesleyan
1987: North Park
1986: Potsdam
1985: North Park
1984: UW-Whitewater
1983: Scranton
1982: Wabash
1981: Potsdam
1980: North Park
1979: North Park
1978: North Park
1977: Wittenberg
1976: Scranton
1975: Lemoyne-Owen


The midwest states include some real Division III powers, such as Wooster, Wittenberg, Calvin, Hope, Illinios Wesleyan, John Carroll, Ohio Northern, Hanover, UW-Platteville, UW-Stevens Point, UW-Oshkosh, and many others.  The 3 best conferences are also located in this part of the country - the Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference (WIAC), the College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin (CCIW), and the Ohio Athletic Conference (OAC).
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on December 18, 2005, 05:01:32 PM
No doubt, a daunting challenge for the Eagles, facing Wartburg, and either Aurora or Oshkosh.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mlb on December 18, 2005, 10:11:59 PM
Titan Q

I appreciate the information and mean no disrespect, but their size hasn't helped them dominate their early season opponents and not all of them have been against "ranked" opponents.

I understand the "quality" of midwest/mideast basketball.  I am an Augustana (IL) grad and had a high school teammate that started on the North Park teams from 1978 - 1980.  In fact, I am very familiar with the game that Augie lost to Wabash in the 1982 championship (as I recall, it was telecast live on ESPN back before bowling and poker became primary sports).

I had the opportunity to see Aurora and Illinois Wesleyan first hand in last year's opening tournament and have been back "home" and seen many games (I have a nephew who attends Hanover as well).

I am just saying that I have actually "seen" a lot of basketball.  I have yet to see a team who dominates night in and night out.  I don't believe that the top 5 teams in the WIAC would necessarily finish that way in the ODAC or even in the CAC.  There are other teams across the nation that can more than hold their own with those teams.

In many cases, it is just a different style of basketball. 

I am still not sure that I understand how the polls are voted upon.  What is the basis for "annointing" the WIAC the "stongest" conference in the nation?  Like I said, unless the teams play head to head or unless you are able to see all the teams play, what is the basis for your vote?  It just seems to me that bias and history will drive the votes as much as any actual performance.

Finally, I would challenge that we won't have a true "national" champion in Div III basketball until the nation's best teams are included in the tournament rather than the best teams in a collection of 8 regions.

It's just my opinion, for what it's worth.

More interesting, what happens to Lincoln after losing to R-MC?  And, as importantly, St. John Fisher wasn't impressive in winning.  What happens if they lose to R-MC tomorrow?

If nothing else, it's fun debate.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Coach C on December 18, 2005, 10:41:19 PM
mlb -

I am not sure that anyone is saying that the WIAC is the strongest team in the nation this year.  And i don't think anyone has ever 'anointed' them.  When I said last year that I felt that the WIAC was the strongest team in the nation, i based it on out of conference record of the entire conference, some common opponent games, and also the balance in the top portion of the league.  It was not an anointment, rather it was a considered opinion.

The NCAA D3 tournament slection criteria and bracketing philosophy do call into question wether all of the best teams get in and get a fair shot at the Walnut and Bronze.  But i would not say that this means we don't have a "true" national champion.  It's better than D-1A football, isn't it?

As for Lincoln, ehh, let's give them a bit more time.

C

C
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 18, 2005, 11:01:17 PM
mlb,

A response to SOME of your points.

Since nearly all teams play SOME games out of region, cumulatively we can get a fairly good sense of regional quality - the midwest (geographically, not the Midwest region) is CLEARLY the dominant region, whether measured by inter-region games or by playoffs.

By general consensus (not by anointing!) the WIAC is usually #1, the CCIW is usually #2, and the OAC, MIAA, MIAC, NESCAC, ODAC, (and CAC?) etc., can fight it out for the next few spots.  Note I said usually!  This is again based on inter-region games and tourney results.

The d3 champ is not always the 'best' team (nor is the d1 champ!) - upsets DO happen.  But even before expansion it is doubtful that a legitimate candidate for 'best' team got left out.  This year we have 59 teams (or is it only 57?) - they will NOT all be among the best 59 teams in the country!  But I doubt that a legitimate title contender will be missing from the list.

Before Knightstalker can hammer me, the NJAC should obviously also be on that list of competitive leagues!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 19, 2005, 01:22:46 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 18, 2005, 11:01:17 PM
But even before expansion it is doubtful that a legitimate candidate for 'best' team got left out. 

I think Capital 2002 and Wheaton 2004 would dispute that assertion. While it definitely has not happened in football, I would say it can and has happened in basketball that a title contender has been excluded from the field.

In fact, Catholic 2001 was a last-second conference title game shot away from not making the NCAA Tournament, and they were not given a first-round bye even in winning the league. They would not have gotten in as a Pool C team.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 19, 2005, 02:01:43 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 19, 2005, 01:22:46 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 18, 2005, 11:01:17 PM
But even before expansion it is doubtful that a legitimate candidate for 'best' team got left out. 

I think Capital 2002 and Wheaton 2004 would dispute that assertion. While it definitely has not happened in football, I would say it can and has happened in basketball that a title contender has been excluded from the field.

In fact, Catholic 2001 was a last-second conference title game shot away from not making the NCAA Tournament, and they were not given a first-round bye even in winning the league. They would not have gotten in as a Pool C team.

Notice I have been putting 'best' in quotation marks.  Even if Capital or Wheaton had gone on a run and won, do you really think they would have been the OVERALL best team that year?  And if Catholic was THAT close to not even being in the tourney, WERE they the best team?

I think we've reached a philosophical difference here.  I PREFER a playoff, and recognize the champ as THE CHAMP.  But I do NOT feel the obligation to see them as necessarily the best team (I still feel that NCSt. and Villanova should play a game to see who gets to even be in the top 25!).

BEST vs HOTTEST can be debated endlessly (and to add to the confusion, there is also best at the end, vs. hottest at the end!), but I doubt any team that could hope to win BOTH sides of the debate has been left out!.

Of course, any year IWU gets left out, I reserve the right to change my argument! :P
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 19, 2005, 02:40:08 AM
If the playoff system leaves them as the last team standing, I think you have to call them the best, regardless. Because unless the "best" team didn't get in the tournament, then the last team standing either beat that team, or beat a team that beat that team, etc.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mlb on December 19, 2005, 06:28:32 AM
Wow!  So many replies and so much to discuss.  Thanks!

It's unfair of me to say that the winner of the tournament is not the champion.  I was just questioning the "national" element of the invitees.

I haven't gone back and looked at schedules, but I don't see many teams from the midwest (yes, geographically) migrating east for pre-season or holiday tournaments.  Did any of the WIAC teams come east or play significant games out of region?

The tournament selection criteria seem to punish both games out of region and losses to "ranked" opponents. 

As to being no better than the D-IA football (sorry Pat), they at least have more than one poll and of course a formalized BCS rating system ( :).

It's no different in D-I hoops, there are only so many at-large bids.  However, record means less and I believe that strength of schedule is far more sophisticated and important.  It is why "lesser" conferences don't get the at-large bids.  However, I also agree that Georgetown and Houston were both better than 'Nova and NC St.  Yet, as they say, that is why they play the game.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Coach C on December 19, 2005, 08:20:43 AM
mlb -

As for the BCS stat package - Oh we tried the statistical ranking thing at the D3 level.  I am not sure you have been around long enough to remember Barry Robinson's Columbus Multimedia ranking whihc used some combination of stats, margin of victory and SOS to rank teams.  It wasn't the solution either.

The WIAC teams come east, go west, bring teams in, and generally, prior to this year beat most comers.  The CCIW is perhaps better traveled, and one could argur their pre-eminence as well.

Pat - you know the "Well we beat team X by 23 and they beat team Q by 7 and they beat the eventaul national champion by 2 on a neutral court in January, so we should be ranked #1" arguement is specious.  The tournaent is imperfect, largely becasue the NCAA cant figure out how to get consistent regional rankings or a group of voters to think in a truly national mode.  Thus they create ranking and selection constructs that don't give us the best tournament we could have. 

Still, it's the best in the world!

C
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 19, 2005, 12:49:48 PM
Good luck to CUA tonight against Moravian. 

Unfortunately, I will not be in attendence.  I am on Day 6 of a very painful kidney stone attack and am not able to leave the house.  I pray that the stone will pass soon as the pain keeps getting worse and worse.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cuabigdog on December 19, 2005, 06:19:18 PM
 Matt,

Tonights game is against McDaniel not Moravian.. I predict Cards by 10 -14
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Titan Q on December 19, 2005, 06:21:14 PM
mlb, I am a "Titan" of the Illinois Wesleyan variety and not UW-Oshkosh, so believe me, no offense taken...and greetings from a fellow CCIW alumnus.

The WIAC has established itself as the #1 conference in Division III just about anyway you slice it.  Whether you look at the leagues non-conference record every season, the number of national titles (and remember, most of the league didn't come over from NAIA until the late '80s/early '90s), the record at the Final Four, or even computer-based rankings such as Massey, the WIAC comes out on top.

http://masseyratings.com/rate.php?lg=cb

(There aren't enough games built in yet for Massey to be real credible, but check out the final 2005 conference ratings and such.)

I think it is much more than just a "different style of basketball" - it is a different caliber of player.  The WIAC seems to produce more "shouldn't be in Division III" guys year-in and year-out than anyone -- in recent years, guys like Jason Kalsow (Stevens Point), Tim Dworak (Oshkosh), and Rich Melzer (River Falls).  And then from top to bottom of the league, the talent is just generally deeper than any other D3 league.  

Now, the debate has been had here on D3hoops.com many times why the WIAC gets better players (state schools with much lower tuition than the private schools, redshirting until the new D3 rule came along, etc, etc), but that doesn't change the fact that all evidence points to it being the best league.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cuabigdog on December 19, 2005, 09:08:49 PM
Catholic improves to 7-2 with their victory tonight over McDaniel with a score of 72-55.. The cards started out sloppy going into halftime down 1 (29-28)but came out strong early in the 2nd half and never lost the lead. The Cardinals return to action after the holidays Jan 4 on the road to selinsgrove, PA to take on Susquehanna then return to the DuFour Center Jan7/8 for the CUA/Pepsi Classic...
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cuainfo on December 19, 2005, 10:18:36 PM
Satalin's 22 Points, Career-High Eight Rebounds
Rallies Catholic Past McDaniel, 72--55

   WASHINGTON (December 19, 2005) -- Senior Pat Satalin scored 14 of his 22 points in the second half and grabbed a career-high eight rebounds to lift Catholic University to a 72-55 victory over McDaniel College at DuFour Center on Monday.

   Satalin hit three 3-pointers during a key 14-1 run after halftime to put the Cardinals (7-2) on top, 46-40, with 11:52 to play. McDaniel (4-5), which led the entire first half, got no closer than five points the rest of the way.

   Josh McKay led the Green Terror with 22 points and six rebounds. Mike Dipiero scored 11 points, and Ryan Finch had eight rebounds.

   Patrick Dwyer totaled 18 points and a game-high nine rebounds for CUA, and Shane Sowden had 10 points, eight boards and two blocks. Dwyer scored 12 points after the break as the Cardinals erased a 29-28 halftime deficit by outscoring McDaniel 44-26 in the final 20 minutes.

   Satalin finished 6-for-11 on 3-pointers and 8 of 14 overall. He was 4 of 7 from beyond the arc in the second half. Fellow guard Mike Wasilenko contributed a game-high five assists.

   McKay, a 6-foot-8 senior center, made 7 of 14 field goals and both of his treys. Jemar Daniel's jumper with 5:09 left in the opening half gave the Green Terror their biggest lead of the game, 27-17. CUA responded with an 11-2 run that Satalin punctuated with a 3-pointer to draw the Cards within one at the break.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mlb on December 21, 2005, 06:47:03 PM
okay, my final rant (for now) on the top 25 determination.

Read today's "Daily Dose" on the cover page of D-III hoops.  The discussion is about R-MC and where a "voter" ranked them on his ballot.  Prior to this past weekend's games, he barely had them on the ballot.  He had no idea who their first team pre-season All-American (Justin Wansley) was.  He gets his information listening to the webcast (with "homer" announcers) and concludes that "Wansley is a beast".

A better solution to the "top 25" poll is to rank the schools within a "region" as it would be applied by the tournament.  This way you would have 4 polls based upon geography.  I know that the geographic regions aren't exact, but you could be close and their would be relative merit to the rankings.  The fact of the matter is, you can be in the top 15 in the nation (per the poll) and not get a bid if you don't win the automatic bid and there are only 3 or 4 slots in the region.

Only a suggestion, but the empirical evidence above indicates exactly what I thought and stated previously - the top 25 poll is not much more than a beauty contest.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 21, 2005, 09:14:31 PM
Quote from: mlb on December 21, 2005, 06:47:03 PM
He had no idea who their first team pre-season All-American (Justin Wansley) was.  He gets his information listening to the webcast (with "homer" announcers) and concludes that "Wansley is a beast".

He never said he had no idea who Justin Wansley was. Perhaps you could eliminate jumping to conclusions. Thanks.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Titan Q on December 21, 2005, 10:04:00 PM
"A couple weeks back on Hoopsville, Dave McHugh asked me which teams I had ranked ahead of No. 12 Randolph-Macon, on my men's ballot. "Ha," I clucked, "try all of them!" As is frequently the case, hindsight set in about an hour later and I realized that was a stupid thing to say. I've quietly made my peace with RMC by putting them on my last ballot and singing their alma mater in a remorseful tone.

That being said, from what I heard of last night's webcast, Justin Wansley is a beast and this team is solid."



That's what was said on the Daily Dose.  I have no idea how you determine that, "He had no idea who their first team pre-season All-American (Justin Wansley) was."  He never said that.  And I have a hard time believing Gordon Mann, who's been on the D3hoops.com staff for a long time, didn't know who a preseason 1st Team All-American - as named by this site - was before listening to a webcast Monday.

Regarding Wansley, maybe it's not that he is making up his mind after listening to "homer announcers" (and RMC's crew is not, by the way...they're good), but rather referring to Wansley's 19 point, 11 rebound performance  in that game vs St. John Fisher? 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 22, 2005, 02:04:00 AM
Oh, unless the crew has changed, I might be willing to agree on homer announcers. Not the worst homers in the ODAC but on the list, to be sure. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mlb on December 22, 2005, 04:01:02 PM
Glad to see that I could generate an emotional response.

Yes, I created a misleading statement - sensationalistic, unsupported journalism on my part and I apologize.  I should probably post a retraction on a different page in smaller print.

By the way, the announcers are pretty solid R-MC fans as I listened to them many times last year.

Wansley is a great kid, very quiet and unassuming and probably deserves more recognition than he gets.  The 19 point, 11 rebound performance is nice, but look at his averages from last year.  The kid averaged 18.5 and 10.1 so the performance against St. John Fisher is nothing but "average".

I also believe that there is a substantive difference between "knowing" and "being familiar with".  He may have seen the name, but I would bet he "knew" little about him.

However, I will retract my earlier statement.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Coach C on December 22, 2005, 08:16:52 PM
mlb -

The guy is covering the sport FROM PHILADELPHIA.  It's unlikely that he would have had a chance to see Wansley play more then once this year.

Give him a break. 

You were going for the cheap score.  It was pretty lousy of you.

C
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 22, 2005, 10:55:36 PM
I'd probably be wiser to keep my mouth shut, especially since i really do like everybody here, but maybe this whole thing is being blown a little bit out of proportion a tad?

I mean I know everyone takes this stuff seriously, as they should since they invest so much time in it, but to read the replies you would have thought that mlb made fun of the guy's mother or something...I mean, it wasn't exactly a character assisination, just a question as to his qualifications. I have no idea one way or the other, I'm just saying he said something he thinks now he shouldn't have, but it seemed at least to be a revelant question, and he apologized, so...

Merry Christmas and happy holiday season to everyone and their families. Enjoy some good rest.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mlb on December 23, 2005, 05:39:39 AM
Coach C

I was not going for a "cheap score".  Your return comment is far more "personal" and, in this case inappropriate.  In the zealous effort to defend the current process, everyone missed the main point.  The process is flawed (and by the way, that's what I was "attacking", not the person). 

I don't disagree that most polls are flawed.  D-III followers are generally known for their creativity and uniqueness.  There is an effort to "do things differently" than the other divisions.  In this case, by following along with the others, the D-III process is even more flawed.  You're right - as a Philadelphia writer it's tough to see ODAC games.  How do you cast an accurate vote if you don't see the teams play?  You can say - "it's the same as every other poll".  Great, does that make it right?

I offered a suggestion - good or bad.  No comments on that though.  I meant nothing personal by the comment.  Can you say the same?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Coach C on December 23, 2005, 07:52:24 AM
mlb -

When you make a suggestion couched by your own admission in "a misleading statement - sensationalistic, unsupported journalism," it loses ALL merit.  You don't get to make suggestions that way.

That being said, Matt is right (for once, hee hee hee), Merry Christmas to all and lets have fun at the tournaments!

C
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mlb on December 23, 2005, 11:01:10 AM
okay, so I can put this thing to bed once and for all -

there was no personal attack made or intended.  I am truly sorry if someone took it that way.  It's nice to see everyone jump in and defend the person.  I was not talking about the person...it's the process.

His statement was "from what I heard of last night's webcast, Justin Wansley is a beast and this team is solid"

I hate to argue over semantics, but this sentence indicates that he is basing his opinion on Wansley and the team on portions ("from what I heard - implying he didn't hear the entire broadcast) of a game.  The fact that he referenced an "average performance" (based upon last year's stats - 18.5 and 10.1) indicated to me that he did not "know" of Wansley.  He made no reference of prior knowledge (reference to prior thoughts or comparison to earlier or prior year games).

My bottom line statement had nothing to do with the person - it "attacked" the process.  I said that this provided some empirical evidence that the poll was a "beauty contest". 

If all of you were attacking me because you're personally involved in the polling process and consider to be different than I stated, that's fine.  I offered a suggested alternative -- comment on that.

Is it a real "issue"?  No, it should be more about the basketball.  However, every team wants to be recognized for its accomplishments.  Are polls a big deal?  Normally I would say no.  Obviously, some disagree with me - including some of our esteemed Congressmen who want to bring the BCS polling process before Congress.  If it's worthy of discussion on the Senate or House floor, why not here?

Nonetheless, a Merry Christmas to each of you and your families.

I'm done here.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on December 29, 2005, 10:11:59 AM
Back to the court for YCP tonight as the Spartans take on Mt. Union in the first round of the White Rose City Classic. I hope we will have some hoops to talk about soon.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on December 29, 2005, 04:36:52 PM
MLB et al:

Wow.  I had no idea I was such a hot topic. We sorely need games to talk about if that's the case.  Just to set the record straight, for whatever it's worth:

- I'm not insulted by your post, though I am flattered that Pat, Coach C and TitanQ defended me.  My mother wasn't insulted by it either.  She doesn't understand this "Division III thing" any way. :)

- I had heard of Justin Wansley before that SJF broadcast.  I knew he was an All-American.  I knew he was good.  My primary motive was to apologize to the RMC fans for my bombasity while acknowledging their success in beating two decent teams with different styles on consecutive nights.

- Yes, it's much tougher to follow the hundreds of Division III teams from a distance than Division I where television makes a big difference.  I see a fair amount of teams throughout the season and then rely on other first-hand observers I trust and do the best I can with boxscores and my general knowledge of the regions.  I suspect voters in polls for Division II and NAIA have similar challenges.

That being said, you don't have to agree with my opinion.  I think the strength of the poll lies in the knowledge of the collective group who together see a lot of teams, games and players.

Your proposal for regional polls as opposed to a national one is interesting, though I'm not sure why they should be exclusive.  The NCAA does regional rankings later in the season and I think we (D3hoops) fill a void by doing a national poll.  It's not always right, but I think on a whole it's pretty good. 

A couple comments on your proposal...

QuoteThis way you would have 4 polls based upon geography.  I know that the geographic regions aren't exact, but you could be close and their would be relative merit to the rankings.  The fact of the matter is, you can be in the top 15 in the nation (per the poll) and not get a bid if you don't win the automatic bid and there are only 3 or 4 slots in the region.

If someone did regional polls, why stop at four regions when the NCAA recognizes eight?  This might be more useful than North, South, East and West, which I presume you meant.  You're right that being in the Top 15 doesn't make you a lock for the tournament, though I think it's unlikely now that there are additional at-large bids. 

If we did regional polls, I suspect the same challenges would emerge.  For example, how often do people in Virginia see Mississippi College?  Do the people in Tacoma (Puget Sound) often get a first-hand look at St. Thomas, Minnesota? I think you'd find the same challenges emerge even at the regional level.  But the idea is an interesting one. 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on December 29, 2005, 05:04:07 PM
Gordon:

Had you attended the LVC Tip-Off Tournament last month, you would have have seen and learned all you needed to know about Wansley.  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on December 29, 2005, 06:51:33 PM
At the Half of the 20th White Rose City Classic in York....

York leads Mt. Union 42-22 at the intermission. Chad McGowan has 10 points to lead York while Brandon Bushey has added 8. With Bushey's fourth point of the evening, he now stands all alone in sixth on the Spartans' all-time scoring list, passing former guard Steve Schmehl.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on December 29, 2005, 07:52:32 PM
York 83-Mt. Union 62

Details after the Ursinus/Whitman game
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cuabigdog on December 29, 2005, 07:59:48 PM
for anyone interested at the half Vermont ( mike lonergan former cua coach) 38  American ( jeff jones) 16... i know these are D1 schools but thought i would throw it out there anyway ....Congrats to York College on their victory tonight
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on December 30, 2005, 12:26:12 AM
Details from York (finally!)...

York placed five players in double figures led by Chad McGowan as the sophomore notched 17 points, nine rebounds, four steals and two blocked shots. McGowan was an efficient 7-for-12 from the floor including 1-for-1 from distance. Senior captain Brandon Bushey tallied 14 points and four rebounds as he took over sixth place on the Spartans' all-time scoring list. His fourth point of the night pushed Bushey past former teammate Steve Schmehl as Bushey is now 138 points out of fifth place on the list. Freshman Quinn Howard tallied a career-high 12 points as the forward was 4-for-4 from the floor and a perfect 4-for-4 from the charity stripe. Howard also had three rebounds and two steals for YCP. Senior captain Kenny Fass and senior center Brian Singer were the other two Spartans in double figures as they each notched 11 points. Singer pulled down eight rebounds and had two blocks while Fass recorded five rebounds for York. Senior Paddy Lee had another solid night with seven rebounds, six assists, four points, and a steal in 20 minutes of action.

York faces a very good Ursinus College team in the championship game on Friday night at 6:00 pm at Wolf Gym. York puts its 20-game home win streak on the line in the contest.

Game box
http://www.ycp.edu/sports/mens_basketball/2005/YCPMBB08.HTM
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Husky40 on December 30, 2005, 10:11:38 AM
I've learned from a very reliable source that Hood College and Villa Julie will be joining the CAC.  Hood will begin play in the conference starting in the 2006-2007 season, while Villa Julie will begin play in 2007-2008.  Apparently, CUA and Goucher will not depart the conference until the 2007-2008 season.  Can anyone confirm?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 30, 2005, 12:13:21 PM
Husky48,

Villa Julie to the CAC was a done deal, as D3hoops.com reported nearly three weeks ago (http://www.d3hoops.com/news.php?item=405). At that time, we also reported CUA and Goucher departing in 2007-08.

I have heard from a reliable source about Hood as well. But the rest is on the record and has been for a while. But I think Hood's men's programs will join the CAC first, with the women's following a year later.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: eaglemaniac on December 30, 2005, 02:33:10 PM
The Source must be good as Hood joining the CAC is posted on the Hood website  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on December 30, 2005, 07:09:24 PM
At the half from York....

YCP 47-Ursinus 36. A competitive back and forth game.

Ursinus' Will Furey leads all scorers with 18 points. Kenny Fass leads York with 10.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on December 30, 2005, 08:51:53 PM
Final from York...

The Spartans post an 85-79 victory over Ursinus in the championship game of the 20th White Rose City Classic.

Details will come shortly.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on December 30, 2005, 11:26:49 PM
Details from YCP..

The York College men's basketball team survived a furious comeback attempt by Ursinus College as the Spartans outlasted the Bears 85-79 in the championship game of the 20th White Rose City Classic in York. The win sealed the Spartans' fifth straight in-season tournament championship as the victory also extended their home win streak to 21. York, who is ranked 10th in the nation, improve to 8-1.
The Spartans were led by Kenny Fass as the senior tallied 17 points, grabbed eight rebounds, and had three steals. Fass was 4-for-8 from the floor and a solid 9-for-10 at the free throw line in his 38 minutes of work. Chad McGowan added 14 points, a team-high nine rebounds, and two assists for the green and white. Brian Singer chipped in with 13 points and eight rebounds while junior captain Brad Zerfing contributed 11 points including 5-of-6 from the free throw line in the game. Junior Joe Yeck was the fifth Spartan in double figures with 10 points including a perfect 2-for-2 from distance.
York hosts SUNY Brockport on Wednesday at 7:00 pm.

Game Box
http://www.ycp.edu/sports/mens_basketball/2005/YCPMBB09.HTM
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: njlincolnlion on January 04, 2006, 11:25:55 AM
ycp:

Not to get ahead, since York has a game tonight aganist Brockport, but what are you thoughts on the tournament you guys are hosting this weekend?

I see that Messiah is 8-2, and I don't know much about them, but their record is very good.  The Spartans have only lost once and and are ranked higher than Lincoln as they should be.  It would be a great championship game if Lincoln and York meets on Saturday pitting two top 25 squads.  I think Lincoln will stand to lose more from a ranking perspective than York with a loss.  Additionally, York will have an advantage playing at home.  Maybe......just maybe, the Lions can catch the Spartans on an off night like they had aganist Salisbury.

 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on January 04, 2006, 02:31:10 PM
LincolnLion,

The tournament pairings are already predetermined and our two squads will not meet. Since Lebanon Valley and Messiah are in the same conference, they did not want to face each other a third time in a tournament. We face Lebanon Valley at 6:00 on Friday followed by your match up with Messiah. On Saturday, Lincoln plays LVC at 1:00 followed by a 3:00 game between York and Messiah.

It would have been a great game to see but we may just have to wait until March. It should be a great weekend of hoops at old Wolf Gym.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 04, 2006, 02:37:52 PM
Catholic travels to NW PA tonight to play new-conference partner Susquehanna.  The Crusaders are 2-8, though they seem to have a tendency to play better teams (Scranton, Gettysburg) close and lose big to lesser teams.

Interesting to see how Brockport fares against York since they will be participating in the annual CUA Pepsi Classic this weekend at DuFour.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: njlincolnlion on January 04, 2006, 04:13:10 PM
ycp:

Thanks for the information on the tournament this weekend.  Hopefully the Lions will get a good scouting report on York firsthand, and vice versa.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 04, 2006, 04:23:04 PM
In case any of you missed it... York Head Coach Jeff Gamber was on Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville), in the Coach's Corner last night. It was interesting to hear what he had to say about the team, the school, and the future of the program... both this year and down the road.

Just go to the Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville) page for more information. Or you listen to these broadband (http://www.d3hoops.com/audio/06/gamber010306(high).mp3) or lowband (http://www.d3hoops.com/audio/06/gamber010306.mp3) links.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on January 04, 2006, 07:43:12 PM
At the half in York...

YCP 45-SUNY Brockport 35

Chad McGowan leads York with 12 while Brandon Bushey has 10.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on January 04, 2006, 09:11:08 PM
Final from York....

YCP 91-Brockport 77

Details later.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on January 04, 2006, 10:22:55 PM
Details from York...

York received four double digits efforts on the evening led by Brandon Bushey as the senior notched a season-high 21 points while he also pulled down a season-high eight rebounds. Bushey added four assists and two blocked shots. Senior center Brian Singer recorded his first double-double of the season with 14 points and a game-high 12 rebounds. Singer was 6-for-9 from the floor and 2-for-4 from the charity stripe. Sophomore Chad McGowan chipped in with 16 points, four rebounds, three blocked shots, and two steals for the green and white. Kenny Fass was the fourth Spartan in double figures with 14 points, eight rebounds, and five assists in 32 minutes.

York hosts Lebanon Valley on Friday and Messiah on Saturday in the Sixth Annual Coaches vs. Cancer Classic. Friday's game is set for 6:00 pm while the Messiah game is 3:00 pm on Saturday. Lincoln plays Messiah on Friday at 8:00 and LVC on Saturday at 1:00.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 04, 2006, 11:48:17 PM
Susquehanna beats Catholic 67-62.

Long, long layoff for the Cardinals obviously didn't sit well.  Yikes.

They have to come out and win their tournament this weekend.  Looks like somehow Sowden got completely shut down (4 points). 

Mary Wash went into the break playing pretty poorly too.  Everybody but York (and Gally I suppose) is tanking a bit, going to be interesting to see what happens when league play resumes.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: muchacho on January 05, 2006, 09:03:45 AM
Matt...CUA's release said Sowden was held to 4 points and 1 block, but the boxscore on Susquehanna's website says 17 points, 6 boards, and 3 blocks. It looks like Fumai and Dwyer struggled though.

http://www.susquehanna.edu/Sports/teams/MBasketball/boxscores/game11.htm
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 05, 2006, 09:53:12 AM
Ahh, thanks for clearing that up, I didn't see the box score last night.

That really didn't make any sense to me.  The box score at least paints the picture of what happened: Susquehanna was 5-7 from 3 in the 2nd half, Catholic 1-6.  Everything else was pretty even.  Fumai just had a bad game.  At least Papageorge hit some 3's, he really hasn't been heard from much this year.  Satalin struggled too, I hope he can finish his career on a stronger run.

Susquehanna isn't a good team, so this one stings.  If you were so inclined, you could certainly find some reasons for it--long road trip, first game after more than 2 weeks off, other team got hot at the end...but still.  I know this team is better than that.  Its all in how you finish. 

Lets seem if they come out Saturday with the same intensity they did against Marymount following the Mary Wash loss.  They were unbeatable that day, Marymount got blown out of the building in the first 5 minutes.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: sunny on January 05, 2006, 10:17:35 AM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on January 05, 2006, 09:53:12 AM
Ahh, thanks for clearing that up, I didn't see the box score last night.

That really didn't make any sense to me.  The box score at least paints the picture of what happened: Susquehanna was 5-7 from 3 in the 2nd half, Catholic 1-6.  Everything else was pretty even.  Fumai just had a bad game.  At least Papageorge hit some 3's, he really hasn't been heard from much this year.  Satalin struggled too, I hope he can finish his career on a stronger run.

Susquehanna isn't a good team, so this one stings.  If you were so inclined, you could certainly find some reasons for it--long road trip, first game after more than 2 weeks off, other team got hot at the end...but still.  I know this team is better than that.  Its all in how you finish. 

Lets seem if they come out Saturday with the same intensity they did against Marymount following the Mary Wash loss.  They were unbeatable that day, Marymount got blown out of the building in the first 5 minutes.

From the Catholic release:

"Catholic (7-3) had its last first half lead at the 18:30 mark as the Crusaders went on a 14-2 run midway through the half to lead 27-13 with 4:43 remaining. Steven Papageorge was the lone bright spot for the Cards, scoring nine points on 75% shooting from beyond the arc while Susquehanna's D held leading scorer Shane Sowden to four points and one block. CUA trailed its future conference opponent at halftime despite forcing more turnovers (10)."

Apparently, the four points and one block is referring to Sowden's numbers in the first half, since the whole paragraph is about the first half. (Papageorge's nine points are mentioned, but I think they may have all been in the first half, since it also says he shot 75% from three and the box indicates he was 3-for-5 in the game.)

I can see how you were confused, however, since the story doesn't go on to mention Sowden's game totals anywhere.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Coach C on January 05, 2006, 11:00:08 AM
It's a badly worded realease.  Especailly for the early morning bleary eyed among us who watched the Texas shocker.

C
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: muchacho on January 05, 2006, 12:08:31 PM
QuoteIt's a badly worded realease.

Unfortunately Catholic's new SID, as of summer of 2005, has not had a smooth transition into the job. I suspect there was a lot of trouble with him coming in after the University having no SID for over a year. However, the updates on the school's website are often not there or incorrect. Its now noon the day after a game, and in addition to the inaccurate release which is still on the website, there is no link to the boxscore on Catholic's website, and the record has not been updated.  You will also find the score of last nights game on the cumulative stats page, but the link it is under shows the box score from the Susquehanna game last year.
I know this post is critical, and I have never had the job of an SID like some posters here have, but I would like to be able to go to Catholic's website and get accurate information instead of repeatedly searching other schools' websites.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 05, 2006, 12:20:56 PM
Well I think the new SID is actually doing the best he can.  The issues seem to be web related, I'm not sure how that is handled.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on January 05, 2006, 10:50:40 PM
01/05/06
Hood College, Villa Julie College to Join CAC
ST. MARY'S CITY, MD - The Capital Athletic Conference has announced that Villa Julie College and Hood College will be joining the conference in select sports in the fall of 2006 and in all sports for the 2007-2008 academic year. Villa Julie and Hood will be replacing Catholic University and Goucher College, as they will be leaving the CAC effective June 1, 2007, according to CAC commissioner Richard Cook.

http://www.cacsports.com/
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on January 06, 2006, 07:46:14 PM
Final from York...

YCP 105-Lebanon Valley 59

Opening round of the Coaches vs. Cancer Classic

I will post details after the Lincoln/Messiah game.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on January 06, 2006, 10:18:10 PM
Another final from YCP..

#21 Lincoln 85-Messiah 83
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on January 06, 2006, 10:59:38 PM
Buffalo State (8-2) 88
UMW (6-5) 86

Lee 29, Baker 23, Fitzgerald 22

Eagles play in consolation at 2 on Saturday.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Hampton U SID on January 06, 2006, 11:08:00 PM
Final from Great Ships Classic in Newport News
Chowan 86, Salisbury 78

Ray Williams 24 (5-8 3's), Justin Rice 17 (4-7 3's)
SU 11-22 3's

SU plays Apprentice School tomorrow at 3
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on January 06, 2006, 11:20:58 PM
Details from York....

York placed six players in double figures led by the senior duo of Kenny Fass and Brandon Bushey as they each had 14 points. Fass added seven rebounds, three assists, three steals and a blocked shot in just 22 minutes. Fass was 6-for-7 from the floor including 2-for-3 from beyond the arc. Bushey tallied his 14 points of 5-of-10 shooting from the floor including 3-for-6 from downtown. He added three rebounds and an assist in a team-high 24 minutes of action. Sophomore Chad McGowan chipped in with 13 points, five rebounds and a steals while senior Brian Singer contributed 11 points, four rebounds, and a blocked shot in the win. The freshman combo of Quinn Howard and Nate Fry each tallied 12 points for YCP. Fry was 4-for-6 including 2-for-4 from distance while Howard was 4-for-8 from the floor. Howard was a perfect 4-for-4 from the charity stripe. Senior Paddy Lee made his 18 minutes of action impressive as he grabbed seven rebounds while he dished out seven assists with just one turnover. Junior Joe Yeck established a new career-high as he also handed out seven assists while he also had three steals. Fourteen of the 15 Spartans that saw action in the game scored.

Game Box
http://www.ycp.edu/sports/mens_basketball/2005/YCPMBB11.HTM
Lincoln/Messiah Box
http://www.ycp.edu/sports/mens_basketball/2005/messlinc.htm
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 07, 2006, 01:24:36 PM
Interesting field for the CUA tournament.  The first game is Brockport State vs. Eastern--a tale of two schedules.  Brockport is just 3-4 but has played an very, very difficult schedule and lost a couple of very close games.  I think they're a quality team who will do well in their conference.  Eastern, meanwhile has racked up a bunch of wins against low quality teams (Bible schools, etc).  I think Brockport will beat them.

Catholic, of course, is coming off a tough loss at Susquehanna and needs to turn it around.  They're playing Drew University, which went through a stretch of bad losses but now has one 3 in a row to push them to 6-5.  Now they're playing pretty well and maturing and will be a reasonably tough opponent for Catholic today, particularly because the Cards probably won't have much of a home court advantage.  I think most students probably aren't back yet (someone can correct but I believe they don't go back in till Monday), and the Redskins play at 4:30.   

One other note---the CUA cheerleaders are now ranked #4 in the D2/3 and will compete with a first round bye at the National Championships at Disneyworld.  Now I'm not exactly into that sort of thing, but considering I vividly remember when the squad was started just a few years ago (it wasn't pretty), they have come an incredibly long way in a short period of time.  For years, CUA didn't even have cheerleaders.  They'll be at the games this weekend and last year gave up some of their break to cheer on the Cardinals.  Its a great thing for school spirt.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on January 07, 2006, 02:49:53 PM
Early final from York...

Lebanon Valley 82-#21 Lincoln 80

LVC head coach Brad McAlester records his 200th career win.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on January 07, 2006, 03:04:31 PM
Quote from: ycp on January 07, 2006, 02:49:53 PM
Early final from York...

Lebanon Valley 82-#21 Lincoln 80

LVC head coach Brad McAlester records his 200th career win.

After yesterday's demolition at the hands of YCP, today a very nice rebound for the upset.

Kudos to the Dutchmen and to Brad for his 200th ....
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on January 07, 2006, 04:09:14 PM
UMW 81, Grove City 72

Baker 30, Lee 21... Each with 7 rebs, 2 assists, 2 steals.

UMW visits Gallaudet on Wednesday for first place in the CAC at 8 pm.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on January 07, 2006, 05:14:27 PM
Final from York...

YCP 86-Messiah 77

Details later.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 07, 2006, 06:07:40 PM
Quote from: mwcsid on January 07, 2006, 04:09:14 PM
UMW visits Gallaudet on Wednesday for first place in the CAC at 8 pm.

Alright, well, that was odd to read. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on January 07, 2006, 06:52:26 PM
Details from YCP...

The Spartans were led by Brandon Bushey as the senior had a team-high 18 points while he also had seven rebounds and two assists. Sophomore Chad McGowan recorded a double-double with 17 points and a game-high 11 rebounds. Freshman Nate Fry capped a great weekend with 17 points and a career-high tying six rebounds. Senior Brian Singer was solid with 12 points and four rebounds while senior Kenny Fass was the final Spartan in double figures with 11 points. Junior Joe Yeck led the green and white with six assists and no turnovers in his 16 minutes of action. Bushey and Fass were the Spartans' two All-Tournament team picks.

Game Box
http://www.ycp.edu/sports/mens_basketball/2005/YCPMBB12.HTM
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 07, 2006, 07:12:38 PM
Catholic 67, Drew 64 in an ugly game at DuFour.  Pat Satalin hit 2 free throws with 8.7 seconds left to give Catholic the lead, after Drew had taken it on free throws after Sowden was called for a foul with 13 seconds left.  Fumai sealed it with 2 more after Drew missed on their final posession.

I'll share some details and thoughts later.  Give me a break here guys, because I really haven't complained at all this year, but this was the flat out worst job of officiating I've seen this year.  This was the type of bad officiating that affects the outcome.  CUA didn't play well and trailed at halftime before Shane Sowden finally realized he was easily the best player on the court and took over for a stretch to get them back even.

In the first game--a real defensive struggle--Eastern Beat Brockport State 111-98 (by my recollection).  I was wrong about Eastern---man can they score.  That's what happens when you play a weak schedule, nobody knows if you are for real or not.  They looked pretty damn good--at least on offense.

GO PATRIOTS!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 07, 2006, 11:54:52 PM
Well, my Pats looked good...

Honestly, CUA today really didn't.  First and foremost, they won.  We do get kind of wrapped up in how teams look doing it (mostly because we're trying to figure out how good they really are), but the object of the game is to win, and it really doesn't matter if you do it by 3 or 30.  Not like you get extra credit. So kudos to the Cardinals for sticking it out today, overcoming a deficit a few times (especially down 1 with 13 seconds left) and winning the game.

They shot just 37% (Drew was at 48%), and were pretty bad from 3.  But they had a huge rebounding advantage 40-27, fewer turnovers too.  The rebounding advantage sort of spells out why I was frustrated with the first half---CUA's big guys clearly were far better than anything Drew had to put out there.  Finally in the 2nd half Shane stepped up and ended up with 17 points. He and Dwyer (who had a pretty good game) dominated in there.  I really feel like Shane has the ability to score almost every posession but just gets a little tentative. He has so much talent and he's a great player--if CUA is going to be a tournament team, they need him to play like the All-American caliber player I know he is.

This was a really sloppy game.  The refs let it get out of hand--too physical and so inconsistant.  From trip to trip, the standard for a foul changed.  So many times the same calls didn't get made.  You had a bunch of carries in this game, one gets called on CUA's Stolzenthaler (break out game, by the way---he started, made some freshman mistakes but really set an up tempo tone and hit a nice 3)  then nothing....The end of game sequence was an example of the refs just deciding to insert themselves. 

On Eastern's posession with under 20 seconds left, Sowden made what everybody in the gym thought was a clean block.  After the play is over, late whistle, two shot foul. Terrible!  Now of course they called Eastern for a foul on Satalin, on the inbounds, but he caught the ball up the court and got leveled so it was legit.  The Drew coach went nuts (how can you make that call and decide the game, he's shouting--conveniently ignoring the fact that seconds earlier the refs made a far more dubious call in his favor which could have decided the game too). 

Actually, he was really out of control--after the game is over he takes off after the refs when they were running off the court screaming at them.   Gonna be fun dealing with this guy in the new conference...his players had to get him under control.  Nothing wrong with emotion, and firing up your team, but there's a line...he crossed it.

Anyway, I really hope we draw a better crew tomorrow---this was the worst this year.  Didn't cost Catholic the game but man...

Eastern is actually going to be a tough matchup. There were so many defensive breakdowns for Catholic tonight---too many guys out of position (Sowden and Baker got caught on the perimeter a bunch of times) and one thing Eastern can do is score. A lot.  So really the key for tomorrow is Catholic playing better defense.  They were trying everything today, zone, man to man, whatever, without a lot of success and really to me at least that hasn't been a huge problem this year, so it could have just been a bad day.  Certainly Drew's Lopez (23 points, 4-5 from 3) had a lot to do with it--one of those days where it seemed like all the bad shots he took went it anyway.

Lets see what happens, 4 pm tomorrow.  Looks like the other CAC teams got back on the winning track too tonight.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: muchacho on January 08, 2006, 02:21:55 AM
I agree with you Matt that Sowden sometimes plays like he doesn't know how good he is. Not only that, but I don't think that the team plays in a way that shows how good he can be. Sometime Sowden will be posting up, and the perimeter players don't have the confidence to throw him the ball. Shane needs to get as many touches as possible, which will get other players open more. He is averaging 14 points a game, but on just 9 shots per game. I think he should be trying to put the ball up 15 times a night, and that would help the team out a lot.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: localfan on January 08, 2006, 08:49:59 AM
Here's hoping that Hood College can start planning for a basketball court that they can call home, instead of using the local high school's court.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 08, 2006, 11:04:07 AM
Quote from: muchacho on January 08, 2006, 02:21:55 AM
I agree with you Matt that Sowden sometimes plays like he doesn't know how good he is. Not only that, but I don't think that the team plays in a way that shows how good he can be. Sometime Sowden will be posting up, and the perimeter players don't have the confidence to throw him the ball. Shane needs to get as many touches as possible, which will get other players open more. He is averaging 14 points a game, but on just 9 shots per game. I think he should be trying to put the ball up 15 times a night, and that would help the team out a lot.

Right. I don't think its the scheme or the play called or anything like that--the intent is to get him the ball--but its not happening enough.  And then a part of it is just him not taking the shots.  But you sit there yesterday and watch him--he's totally covered, he gets the ball, spins around and completely turns around the defender and banks it in--and you wonder why he just can't do that more.  I think he can and I think they want him to.  And you know he's fast and quick for such a big guy so he gets down the court really well.  He put up 14 shots last night, here's hoping its a new trend. 

I've seen Hilleary and Morley--CUA's best 2 big guys over the last 7-8 years.  Talent wise, Sowden is every bit as good.  He doesn't have Will's jump shot but inside he's got the best moves of any of them, the best leaping ability and he's the fastest.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cugrad on January 08, 2006, 01:42:15 PM
Shane doesn't have the help that Morley and Hilleary had. Those two played with some pretty good guards who were a real threat to score from long range. Catholic has great difficulty scoring threes these days. This is what makes them a mediocre team. 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 08, 2006, 07:31:07 PM
Catholic wins the CUA Pepsi Classic by defeating a scrappy Eastern team 89-67. Cardinals got a great game from Pat Dwyer (17 points, 11 boards), a ton of free throws from Pat Satalin (20 points) and a great shooting game from Scott Fumai (18 points).  They played much better defense, especially interior and held Eastern to lots of long jump shots and 3 attempts.  Eastern got very, very physical at the end and lost their composure a bit.  They committed a bunch of pretty hard fouls, and both their coach and a player got t'd up.  The player slammed the ball down next to the ref.  Also, they were called for an intentional on a really nasty foul (their fans were ridiculous to complain about it), when Stolzenthaler literally got pulled down by the back by an Eastern defender with no attempt for the ball.

But anyway, much better game today by the Cards, maybe they are getting it together again.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: muchacho on January 08, 2006, 09:29:41 PM
The boxscore showed that Sowden wasn't starting today or yesterday. Is this something Coach Howes is trying out to give the team a boost, or is their some other issue involved?

I would agree that Sowden definitely doesn't have the help that Morley and Hilleary had. There was always a lot of depth at the guards for Catholic, and 5 or 6 guys who could hit 3's. In terms of their game, Morley did offer a lot more from the outside, but wasn't nearly as athletic as Sowden or Hilleary. I think Shane and Matt are very similar atheletes, but Hilleary could post a guy up and hit a jump shot fading away. Sowden is much more likely to try to get around the defender and lay it off the glass. I've always thought that Sowden's talent was on par with Hilleary, but Matt just seemed like a better competitor, as well as Morley. Both of those guys wanted the ball and would get physical in a ballgame. Sowden is talented yet timid.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 08, 2006, 10:56:36 PM
Yes, Shane hasn't started.   For the most part, he and Dwyer haven't been on the court at the same time (except for the last few minutes of each game).  They've sort of been in a rotation.  I have no doubt there are other things at play, too.

I don't disagree with your assesment.  There was one play today when Shane was literally triple teamed a few feet from the basket. He twisted around all three guys and layed it in.  I haven't seen a Catholic player that's ever been able to do that.  I'm talking about pure talent here. 

There is cause for optimism heading back into league play now that CUA played pretty well today.  I had no idea Stolzenthaler was so good. He started the last two games, I don't know that it was intended to be a permanent change but the offense seems to run the best when he's out there.  He's very quick and made some great passes today.  Kelly is still the best defender on the team, but it gives you good offense/defense options when situations warrant at the 1.

I'm going to be in Los Angeles this week and weekend, so I'll miss the St. Mary's game and the annual trip to Goucher.  I was looking forward to both.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on January 09, 2006, 11:04:53 AM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on January 07, 2006, 11:54:52 PM
The Drew coach went nuts (how can you make that call and decide the game, he's shouting--conveniently ignoring the fact that seconds earlier the refs made a far more dubious call in his favor which could have decided the game too).

Actually, he was really out of control--after the game is over he takes off after the refs when they were running off the court screaming at them. Gonna be fun dealing with this guy in the new conference...his players had to get him under control. Nothing wrong with emotion, and firing up your team, but there's a line...he crossed it.

Sounds like there's already a wreck on Interstate 8!  :o
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 09, 2006, 11:07:12 AM
If he's even around in 2007...

There was nothing between the two teams, at least.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: sleeprcell on January 09, 2006, 08:35:07 PM
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Susquehanna isn't a good team, so this one stings.  If you were so inclined, you could certainly find some reasons for it--long road trip, first game after more than 2 weeks off, other team got hot at the end...but still.  I know this team is better than that.  Its all in how you finish. 
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I saw Susquehanna play the last 3 times they played.. They were up 27-13 in the 1st half and led most of the 2nd half... playing well inside and outside....  There center was better or at least outplayed him and the guards made OPEN shots off the big man.  They also beat Wilkes in a similar manner. 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 09, 2006, 08:47:05 PM
Yeah, unless you were Bill Parcells ("you are what your record is") you could say that Susquehanna is better than their record---lost a couple of close/OT games, played some tough teams, etc...

BUT...its hard to imagine anybody on that team being better than Shane Sowden.  I haven't seen a better Center in the last few years.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: sleeprcell on January 09, 2006, 09:37:25 PM
Kris Clarkson is better than Sowden.....
So is the kid from Rochester

Better than both of them is the kid from NYU (Boone), but Clarkson is more versatile than both of them...
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 10, 2006, 01:14:44 AM
Right, well I didn't mean to imply Shane was the best center in the game, just the best one I've seen.  I mostly just watch Catholic, which means I've seen everyone in the CAC plus a decent number of regional teams.  I don't think he's played against anyone as good as him that I've seen (in D3, at least).
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 10, 2006, 04:40:23 PM
Matt... nothing against Snowden (and yes, I am one of those not convinced he as good as some advertise) but there have been a couple of centers (inside players) in the last few years in the CAC better.

For starters, Garritt Smith of Goucher last year!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 10, 2006, 05:06:48 PM
Oh, well I saw him as a 4.

He was a great player, yeah.  In terms of inside moves--right in front of the basket---I've haven't seen anyone better than Sowden.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on January 10, 2006, 09:55:30 PM
Are you all ready for CAC basketball back to the action?? I am wonder if there is any prediction or preview of the CAC games for tomorrow?

Let's Play Ball! 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on January 11, 2006, 05:26:28 AM
You can have maximum of four (4) votes on the most toughest home courts in some of the those storied locations in the CAC..

There's only 7 days to vote.. The new poll with final four of the toughest home courts in the conference will come up after the 1st round result after 7 days. Thanks.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on January 11, 2006, 06:37:13 AM
I was away for the Coaches VS Cancer Classic at Wolf over the last weekend but it sounds like the team is hitting on all cylinders as they head into CAC play. Just like last year the scoring has come from all over, but Bushey and McGowan are the two most likely to go off for a big game now and then, although Fass and the rest are more than capable. The one area of concern this year will be the inside game as Singer has been left to hold down the paint by himself more and more. McGowan is long and very athletic and can score when he is the 4 but I worry about what happens when the Sparts run into a big duo down low. If the guards keep playing the kind of D they have been that should serve to weaken the overall threat on that side of the court and if they can put up points quickly on offense that should cause teams to have to try and catch up from outside.  I'm interested to see the game vs Marymount tonight as well as the finals from around the conference.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CoachMarker on January 11, 2006, 02:20:04 PM
Pat, the spartans do look tough.  I agree with you on the defensive spark that guards bring.  Even if teams are trying to pound the inside on Singer and McGowan, they have trouble doing so with Fass, Zerfing, and company making every pass for the opponent an adventure.  The teams ability to play together on defense is invaluable.  They take charges and communicate very well with each other.  AND, most importantly, they have to be one of the most prepared teams in the country.  Kudos to Coach Gamber and Dean(asst.)  Best of luck guys.  See you on the 28th!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 11, 2006, 09:24:15 PM
Since this is one of the boards I regularly follow (don't recall if I have posted here), and have gained a respect for several posters (you expect me to be dumb enough to say which ones, and offend everyone else?!), I want to invite anyone who follows NATIONAL d3 bb to check out Posters' Poll on Multi-Region Topics. 

We have started a Posters' Poll (NOT in any way competing with the d3hoops.com poll) - while we are serious in our selections, it is mainly for fun - discrepancies between our poll and Pat's poll should give rise to some interesting conversations.  Our first poll (posted yesterday) was heavily midwestern (in the geographic sense, not Midwest Region).  If you feel that York or Catholic (or whoever) was under-appreciated, vote!

This is NOT to encourage you to vote by regional biases!  As compiler of the poll, I reserve the right to disallow any ballots which are too 'homerish' (6 CAC teams in the top 20 and you ain't getting counted!), but this will apply only to extreme cases.  IF you are a NATIONAL fan, please join us.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on January 11, 2006, 09:41:29 PM
final from York

York 79-Marymount 54
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: The York 06 on January 11, 2006, 09:58:41 PM
Bottom line is that we should skip this whole conference schedule because york will run through the rest of it.  Once the  student body gets back they will not lose a home game and will extend the streak to the close of the building.  Good luck playing for 2nd
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on January 11, 2006, 10:31:31 PM
Any other Wednesday night scores?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on January 11, 2006, 10:32:16 PM
Final from Field House..

UMW Eagles - 67
@Gally Bison - 61

Halftime: Tied 33-33

UMW improve to 8-5 and earn a sole first place spot in the conference with 3-0 record. Meanwhile, Gallaudet drop to 7-5 record and tying for second place with 2-1 record. Gallaudet would travel away at Marymount in Verizon Arena this saturday @4pm.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on January 11, 2006, 10:35:56 PM
From Gallaudet and UMW SID Clint Often...

UMW 67-Gallaudet 61
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on January 11, 2006, 10:48:09 PM
Details from York....

York outscores Marymount 49-29 in the second half.

York was paced by Chad McGowan as the sophomore tallied 15 points and pulled down a game-high eight boards. McGowan was very efficient as he was 4-for-7 from the floor, 1-for-2 from three, and 6-for-8 from the free throw line. He also had two blocked shots in just 21 minutes. Senior Brandon Bushey added 13 points and two rebounds while Paddy Lee played another one of his all-around contests with 11 points, six rebounds, three assists, two blocked shots, and two steals. Kenny Fass was the fourth Spartan in double figures with 10 points and four rebounds.

Mike Gray led the Saints with 13 points and three rebounds. Corey Diamond added 11 points and five rebounds while he also had two steals. Pooyan Rahimi was the third Saint in double figures with 10 points.

Game Box
http://www.ycp.edu/sports/mens_basketball/2005/YCPMBB13.HTM
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on January 12, 2006, 09:58:20 AM
York put on a hell of a show in the second half last night. As for the first half....well the put together a good video tape of what to avoid doing in coming games. I feel good about the fact that they were able to make the adjustments needed at halftime and come out firing on all cylinders for the second 20.

Once again a great game for McGowan and Bushey but the real difference in this game was the all out hustle on both ends of the court from the likes of Quinn Howard, Paddy Lee, Kenny Fass and the others who didn't get into double digits in the points column, but gave a great effort in the second half.

All in all, there was a lot of good ball movement both against the zone and man d they saw and the shooting was solid. Saturday should be interesting against St. Marys. Anyone got a scouting report on them?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 12, 2006, 02:38:31 PM
Goucher's loss to Salisbury means the Gophers have tied the longest losing streak in school history (not counting last year... if we did... they already eclipsed the mark). The Gophers are 0-12 so far this season... and I am not looking to see them get thier first win against CUA at DuFour Center North - I mean the Sports and Rec Center - Saturday.

YCP is certainly the class of this conference and have the home court advantage of a life time right now.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Coach C on January 12, 2006, 02:39:17 PM
d-mac -

Do you see a win on the schedule?

C
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: gally on January 12, 2006, 05:05:48 PM
GALLY BASKETBALL,gally has a player on there bench who plays very little for some reason,but he is the best shooter on the team..this kid can with his deadly shot can really take gally to another level..he has some things to work on ,but when it comes to putting the ball in the hoop consistently you would be hard pressed to find somebody better..the kid can flat out shoot..he doesnt play much,which is hard to figure out..but once he is given a chance to play and get into the flow, folks will get to know about him real quick...he comes off the bench right now and we he does,the other team is screaming out loud YOU MUST GUARD THAT GUY...he is the shooter..his name is luther...
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: manofgor24 on January 12, 2006, 08:41:53 PM
Thanks for the info Luther, I will keep my eyes open for this shooter.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Coach C on January 13, 2006, 09:39:11 AM
Luther -

you went to all the trouble to register to post and that is the best you can come up with???

C
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on January 13, 2006, 09:42:35 AM
Is there no one who wants to talk about the CAC games the other night or the ones on the slate for tomorrow? Where have all the Catholic fans gone?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on January 13, 2006, 10:35:07 AM
Quote from: gally on January 12, 2006, 05:05:48 PM
gally has a player on there bench ... he is the best shooter on the team ... he is the shooter..his name is luther...

I didn't remember seeing him doing any spectacular shooting against UMW Wednesday, so I checked the stats. Luther Weedon: 1-6 FG; 0-4 3s; 13 minutes.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 13, 2006, 12:12:42 PM
Quote from: kitchenrat on January 13, 2006, 09:42:35 AM
Is there no one who wants to talk about the CAC games the other night or the ones on the slate for tomorrow? Where have all the Catholic fans gone?

Matt's been posting throughout. ESAD passed away this offseason. Are there other regulars we should be putting out an APB on?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Coach C on January 13, 2006, 01:20:19 PM
Pat -

Did ESAD pass away in a virtual sense or in an actual sense?

C
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 13, 2006, 03:00:32 PM
ESAD literally passed away this summer. Ashamed to say I've forgotten the cause. Having met him, can confirm it was not of old age.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Coach C on January 13, 2006, 03:16:15 PM
Wow.  I'm sorry if it seemed that I made light of it.  Very sad.

C
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 13, 2006, 05:08:31 PM
Goucher getting a win this season... hmm... not sure.

I will pray the team does not experience my 0-17 season in soccer at Goucher (though it was rewarding in a sense - you will have go through that type of season to understand), but the way things are shaking up... I am not sure they won't.

I do know they have a new inside player and talk is there is an additional big guy (6-8) who is on the team, but won't be suited up for tomorrow's CUA game. However, I will wait to see if that is all true.

Goucher can probably earn a win over the Bison at the SRC if they come ready to play. SMC isn't out the relm of possible with one win. Either is Marymount for one or two. I think a win over CUA, YCP, UMW, and SAL might be tough to mark down... even in pencil.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on January 13, 2006, 05:12:58 PM
Given that I remember what Goucher (especially Dave Clark) did to LVC in the NCAAs in 1995, it's hard to fathom what has happened to the Gophers in 2005/06.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on January 13, 2006, 07:03:01 PM
I know the feeling, I was at the CAC championship game in the Kitchen in '95 when Clark was putting down 3's from NBA range. Goucher used to be the game I got most fired up for when i was a student, and it is still kind of hard to understand what happened there. I guess any school can have a down few years and with no restrictions on xfering any school can get help fast.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Coach C on January 13, 2006, 11:10:03 PM
I too remember the days of the deadly Golden gophers.  Indeed, it was ME who was saying prioor the season that you could not count out a well-coached team like Goucher.

So much for my brilliance.

C
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on January 14, 2006, 02:40:37 PM
At the half from York...

YCP 37-SMC 21

St. Mary's playing without Tyson Lensene and are slowing the game down, using a majority of the shot clock before shooting.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on January 14, 2006, 03:48:46 PM
Final from York...

YCP 86-St. Mary's 56

Details to follow after the women's game.

Game Box
http://www.ycp.edu/sports/mens_basketball/2005/YCPMBB14.HTM
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on January 14, 2006, 07:34:50 PM
Details from YCP...

Three Spartans reached double figures led by Brandon Bushey as he notched 16 points, five rebounds, an assist, and a blocked shot. Bushey was 6-for-9 from the floor including 4-for-6 from three. Kenny Fass added 15 points, three rebounds, three steals, and two assists as he continues to be one of the most under-rated players in the CAC. Fass was 5-for-9 from the floor with all nine of his field goal attempts coming from beyond the arc. Sophomore Chad McGowan was the third Spartan in double figures with 10 points, five rebounds, three assists, and a blocked shot. Junior Brad Zerfing had a solid game with eight points, five assists, five rebounds and just one turnover in 20 minutes of work. Freshman Nate Fry contributed nine points and a career-high six assists to the Spartan attack.

Dan Engelstad led the Seahawks with 13 points while he also had four rebounds, three assists, and a steal. Tommy Bushell added nine points and seven rebounds while T.J. Jordan contributed seven points, seven rebounds, two assists, and two steals.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: The York 06 on January 15, 2006, 05:31:43 PM
This week is the only game standing in between York and the conference title when they go to Catholic.  Catholic is probably the most overrated team in the nation.  They will have homefield but after that  they should get back.  I expect to see the 2nd team in half way  through the first half.  Anyways 26 in a row at home and counting.
See you in Salem
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 15, 2006, 09:59:42 PM
Overrated at 40-something? Definitely. Most overrated? Hard to tell. (Ask Hamilton or Widener.) If you're No. 7 or so coming into the week and they're 40-something then you should have your way with them, even if it's on a field and not a court. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on January 15, 2006, 11:52:32 PM
York's got 10 tough regular season conference games remaining. There are no easy games as six of those seven games are on the road and I think we all know that winning on the road is a tough thing to do. It should be a great Division III men's basketball game on Wednesday night at Catholic.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 16, 2006, 06:29:08 AM
CUA overrated at 40? Who cares? If you beat them, then you can make the arguement. Let's cross that bridge first.

CUA did look pretty decent against Goucher, which isn't saying much. Goucher continues to struggle and nothing is going their way. Friday night at practice, Merritt went down with a dislocated shoulder leaving the interior game to brand-new transfer Jim Sweeney and freshman Conor Martin. And it's been known that Bobby Esbrant is out for the rest of the season due to bad (and ignored) stress fractures. To say Goucher has a very short bench, would be an understatement.

Also... a sad note on Saturday's game. CUA was beating the Gophers by 20 at half and 30 with ten minutes left. But from that point on, the CUA fans felt like reminding Goucher of the score. Everytime the Gophers scored, a chorus of "SCOREBOARD, SCOREBOARD" would rain down from some select CUA fans. Can you give the Goucher team a break. They are having a tough enough season without some fans deciding to remind them they are losing by 26, even after they hit a three-pointer. Get some class!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: The York 06 on January 16, 2006, 09:39:34 AM
York is the team to beat.  Catholic has done nothing all year to say hey we belong in the same sentence as York.  So until that happens then talk to me.  Another think, I have no simpathy with Goucher.  Last year there fans did the same thing.  They deserve to go 0-26.  Goucher really deserves no respect, every team should run it up.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dan Johnson on January 16, 2006, 10:02:27 AM
Wow, if I wasn't a York fan, I would think that the York 06 sounds like an idiot.  Oh wait, he still does.  I truly look forward to Wednesday's game and hope that someone in attendance will keep this board up to date so I don't have to wait too long.  However, I will agree that I don't have alot of sympathy for Goucher.  They want to bolt the CAC because of they feel like they are in a better class...well then I hope you go 0-For whatever.  I wish I could watch the CUA game because I would love to see Sowden.  I played against a few good centers and I would be curious to see how he looks if you are calling him the best ever.  OK, enough for now.  Again, The York 06 is ignorant, please don't hold that against York or its more knowledgable fans.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on January 16, 2006, 10:12:59 AM
Amen Dan!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 16, 2006, 01:22:04 PM
Sad, sad, sad, sad!  I don't remember any fans pointing out a scoreboard... while on the road... while their team was up more than 20... when the opposition is simply just trying to play hard.
And how can you say:
Quote from: The York 06 on January 16, 2006, 09:39:34 AM
Last year there fans did the same thing. They deserve to go 0-26. Goucher really deserves no respect, every team should run it up.
Last year... YCP beat Goucher both times, and the Gophers had no chance to "run it up". Secondly, I understand a 30 point win... especially when coaches already have their second and third team players in... that isn't my comment. But to say they don't deserve respect would be like saying the same thing a few years ago when YCP was toughing it out. They were the top of the CAC at one point, and then had some tough years. No one said they didn't feel bad for them... or their fans (who certainly weren't angels back then - or some, even now).

I have a problem with fans deciding to scream scoreboard after a simple shot. What's the point?! Disgrace the players on the court?

I will admit Goucher fans have certainly had their moments in the past, but since I go to most of the games (home and away). I hardly ever remember a point were they are yelling "scoreboard" in a blow out... and no the other team's fans are not saying antyhing (let alone cheering) AND its an away game.

Of course, I am very old school on this... but what happened to sportsmanship... across the board.

And I have a problem with:
Quote from: Dan Johnson on January 16, 2006, 10:02:27 AM
They want to bolt the CAC because of they feel like they are in a better class...well then I hope you go 0-For whatever.
Get the facts!!! They are not bolting because they fell they are in a better class... they are trying to even they playing field for themselves. Outside of just basketball, Goucher and CUA can't compete in the CAC in every sport... simply because their academic standards and tuition costs COMBINED make them a tough sell compared to other CAC schools. I think it is a smart decision to make things more even-keeled for the school, on a whole. This will work out for the CAC as well, down the road. (Maybe the YCP will jump to another conference, will that indicate they are in a better class, too?)

And "The York 06" sounds like an idiot when talking about CUA as well. YCP and CUA will battle for first place in this conference, while UMW and SAL try and get enough big wins to surprise them for second.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CoachMarker on January 16, 2006, 02:19:25 PM
guise..what up?  more importantly, what are the rosters for the york alumni game on saturday, january 28??? 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on January 16, 2006, 02:30:29 PM
I have to echo the sentiments of the big Fella on this one and say that some people on the board are taking our remaining games a bit to lightly. Keep in mind that all things being equal York is a better team than Salisbury 9 out of 10 game and we lost to them this year. CUA is a VERY VERY tough team any time you play them but this game is perticularlly tough.
#1 Its in DC
#2 Most of the guys on the roster where there last year for the 3 losses to the Sparts and you can be sure they don't want to lose a 4th in a row.
#3 They are well coached and know that with their big men they can match up well against alot of teams.
#4 Last but not least: With St. Mary's missing their star player and going to 1950's slowdown ball on Saturday York didn't get their best tune up for this tilt.

I think this game may come down to how well Singer and McGowan can keep Sowden from going nuts.

As for Fans at Goucher, CUA or York i can say a lot of crap gets said in poor taste at almost every gym I have ever been in. I don't think anyone has the ability to say their fans are ALWAYS bad or good. You can't let a few half drunk zelots set the tone for what all fans are like.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: sunny on January 16, 2006, 03:05:34 PM
Quote from: kitchenrat on January 16, 2006, 02:30:29 PM
I don't think anyone has the ability to say their fans are ALWAYS bad or good. You can't let a few half drunk zelots set the tone for what all fans are like.


Truer words have never been written.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: The York 06 on January 16, 2006, 05:10:39 PM
I think all of you really have no clue.  Number 1 get a life and stop living and dying by the CAC talk.  York is clearly the best team no matter what anyone says.  Until someone beats them there is no talking from other schools, your all 2nd rate and goucher is just a joke.  It's funny how in one year Goucher gave York there first loss to not being able to win or field a team.  8 players what a joke of a school.  No matter what conference they are in they will be terrible.  Another thing is that York is playing there best ball, granted most games have been at home but so what.  It is the hardest place to play.  Ask the last 26 teams to come in their to win a game.  I think all of you are foolish to think that York will battle anyone.  I want to hear all of you when York wins both  this week and they are the class of the conference.  Salem or bust
Peace
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 16, 2006, 05:23:07 PM
Quote from: The York 06 on January 16, 2006, 05:10:39 PM
I think all of you are foolish to think that York will battle anyone.

Only one person said that. I think all of you need to all of learn how to all of read all of the posts.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on January 16, 2006, 06:27:20 PM
Quote from: The York 06 on January 16, 2006, 05:10:39 PM
I think all of you really have no clue.  Number 1 get a life and stop living and dying by the CAC talk.  York is clearly the best team no matter what anyone says.  Until someone beats them there is no talking from other schools, your all 2nd rate and goucher is just a joke.  It's funny how in one year Goucher gave York there first loss to not being able to win or field a team.  8 players what a joke of a school.  No matter what conference they are in they will be terrible.  Another thing is that York is playing there best ball, granted most games have been at home but so what.  It is the hardest place to play.  Ask the last 26 teams to come in their to win a game.  I think all of you are foolish to think that York will battle anyone.  I want to hear all of you when York wins both  this week and they are the class of the conference.  Salem or bust
Peace

It must be an age thing, but I can't make much sense out of the post above. Somebody please help me ....
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 16, 2006, 06:29:09 PM
Quote from: The York 06 on January 16, 2006, 05:10:39 PM
I think all of you really have no clue.  Number 1 get a life and stop living and dying by the CAC talk.  York is clearly the best team no matter what anyone says.  Until someone beats them there is no talking from other schools, your all 2nd rate and goucher is just a joke.
So... we should only hear from Salisbury??? York is a good team... but don't get to high on yourself... your only going to come crashing to earth harder if (god forbid) you lose.

Goucher is a joke? Do you want to start chatting about the struggles YCP has gone through in its history. First time in nine years Goucher will have a losing record... and only the fifth time in the schools 16 year history (three of those losing seasons in the first three years of the program).

Quote from: The York 06 on January 16, 2006, 05:10:39 PM
8 players what a joke of a school. No matter what conference they are in they will be terrible.
Wow... you seriously have no clue!? YCP only has a 21-15 lead in the overal matchup... but, let's look at the CAC historic results:

Regular Season Champs (including season splits):
CUA - 10
GOU - 3
YCP - 3
MMT - 1
SAL - 1
UMW - 1

CAC Tournament Champs:
CUA - 5
GOU - 4
MMT - 2
SMC - 1
SAL - 1
UMW - 1
YCP - 1

But, thanks for reminding me Goucher did beat YCP at the SRC last year. I forgot that. And if I do remember... Goucher finished 18-9 last year. And heck, the season they finished 13-13... they upset CUA in the semi-finals and lost to Marymount in the championship.

You're right though... Goucher must really be horrible!
By the way, how long have you been at YCP??? A few months?

Don't worry... I will be here to congratulate the Spartans if they continue to win... but I will not congratulate you... since the last time I checked the media guide... you weren't on the team.

Also, Coach Jeff Gamber has put together a fine squad in the past few years. Here is hoping that they make another run to Salem... but since that is a month and half away... a bit premature to bet on it!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on January 16, 2006, 07:22:41 PM
I'm not sure why The York 06's coming on so nasty  :( but I'd like to divert the discussion a bit -

d-mac - the CAC doesn't recognize Regular Season Champs, does it? Is your point simply to rank who's had the best regular season records?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 16, 2006, 07:26:29 PM
Yeah - the tournament champ is declared the champ of the conference - thus the automatic bid.

I was just pointing out how many times teams finished on top of the conference before the tournament... and then the difference to the title (YCP 3 to 1, GOU 3 to 4, CUA 10 to 5). Just a comparison type stat.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cuabigdog on January 16, 2006, 07:58:17 PM
well the CATHOLIC CURSE has once again returned with the week 7 TOP 25 out and CUA getting NO VOTES at all... well i seem to remember 2001 when they finished the year at #14 and look what happened !!! it doesn't matter where in the top 25 you are but in what spot you finish your conf . tourney only time will tell...and any team can beat any team on any given day...
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dan Johnson on January 16, 2006, 08:21:24 PM
I know that it is not in the correct spot, but kudos to Mary Washington girls team for being 7th.  I let that one slip by until recently and I always enjoy when the CAC is well-represented.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 16, 2006, 09:37:48 PM
Quote from: cuabigdog on January 16, 2006, 07:58:17 PM
well the CATHOLIC CURSE has once again returned with the week 7 TOP 25 out and CUA getting NO VOTES at all... well i seem to remember 2001 when they finished the year at #14 and look what happened !!! it doesn't matter where in the top 25 you are but in what spot you finish your conf . tourney only time will tell...and any team can beat any team on any given day...

Have you forgotten who owns the site (and the poll)?  Somehow a conspiracy against Catholic seems a bit of a stretch!

Beat York on Wednesday and I guarantee things will change quite drastically.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Coach C on January 16, 2006, 10:51:20 PM
WT -

It's not an age thing.  I can't find a point there either.

C
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on January 17, 2006, 09:36:31 AM
Quote from: d-mac on January 16, 2006, 07:26:29 PM
Yeah - the tournament champ is declared the champ of the conference - thus the automatic bid.

I think Catholic hangs at least one banner at DuFour declaring themselves regular season basketball champs, though.   ::)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on January 17, 2006, 10:03:41 AM
Maybe it is just the hubris of youth coming from this young York student/fan but some of us don't need to sound like we are being interviewed after a WWF match. (Maybe I'm dating myself there because when I was in College it was still called that.) Call it bandwagon jumping or over exuberance but some people have a tendency to be most vocal when their team is 13-1 and no where to be found during the 6-20 seasons. I got a bit of both during my four years in school ('94-'95 to '97-'98) and my attendance only ever declined when I moved away for a few years.
    I don't understand people who want to treat this like life and death. It reminds me of a guy who spotted me in a YCP sweat shirt about 10 years ago in the parking lot of the Hershey park arena who wanted get in my face because he went to Leb Val and I went to York. Neither of us played basketball at our schools but you would have thought that I was a Hatfield and he a McCoy. I would have loved to meet up with him again in the Kitchen a few weeks ago when York was pounding his team but I somehow doubt he still follows the team now that they aren't the best team in the area. I also love the notion of a person who has 4 posts coming on and talking trash and then telling other people that they need to get a life for basically being more well versed in the goings on in the CAC than he or she is.
   All that being said I do think the game tomorrow against CUA is a big one and I think that both teams will bring their A games. If I can juggle my work schedule I was thinking about going and hopping someone can tell me what would be the best option. Should I drive or take the Metro?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on January 17, 2006, 10:43:31 AM
Quote from: kitchenrat on January 17, 2006, 10:03:41 AM
Should I drive or take the Metro?
It may depend on where you are coming from. 
Traffic can be bad in D.C.
It's a doable but pretty long hike from the Metro stop to DuFour; hope for no rain/snow and a ride back to the Metro stop afterwards.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: The York 06 on January 17, 2006, 11:31:48 AM
I dont understand everyone's deal.  First of all d-mac let go of the history it means nothing.  If you really want to look at history lets look at final four trips. York and Catholic both have and Catholic won when they went.  Everyone else nada.  So to say i have no clue is redic.  I'm not talking trash i am simply stating no one should really talk about the conference being a tight conference until one of the two teams york plays this week beats them.  Yes i know they do have a lose, but i think it is good to have a lose, since then look at York's margin of victory each game.  They are playing with a different type of intensity.  These kids are focused.  And to kitchen rat i was there at every home game when they struggled in 03-04.  So to say i am a bandwagon fan is redic.  I really expect york to win both this week, how can you not?  Tomorrow is a big test for them.  Good teams win on the road so i guess we will see how good they are.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 17, 2006, 12:32:24 PM
Well, I just got back from Los Angeles on a red eye flight.  Glad to see a lot of action on the board.

Well, I appreciate York 06's providing excellent bulletin board material for Catholic.  I know, though, that he doesn't speak for most York fans and those associated with the program.  I saw Coach Gamber at DuFour myself scouting the Cardinals, I know he's probably hard at work on a gameplan.  There is no question that right now York is at the top of the league.  York will come into DC tomorrow night as a solid favorite.  But there is certainly evidence that Catholic can give York a good game or even beat them---last year's CAC final was a close game until the last two minutes or so.  York is pretty much the same (excellent) team since them...Catholic is significantly better than they were last year.  And this game is at DuFour.

D-Mac has sort of inadvertantly made the point I've made over the years here.  He's defended Goucher (and rightly so) by point out that any team can have a bad year, but that Goucher has been consistantly competitive.  I've always said that what makes Catholic special is that they simply don't have 'bad years.'  The last year they were even mediocre was 1996-1997.  They've won 20 or more games now for 8 years in a row, and headed toward a 9th this year.   Yes, they haven't always won the league during that stretch, but they've easily been the most consistent team in the CAC.  Other teams rise and fall to challenge Catholic--since I've been around its been Goucher, Marymount, Mary Washington and now York, and sometimes they even suceed, but year in, year out, Catholic is at the top.  We CUA fans are proud of that--it has not been easy, especially because of the situation D-Mac alluded to when he talked about Goucher and CUA leaving the league.

Now, my pep talk aside, I wouldn't expect CUA to be in Top 25 consideration at this point.  Doesn't mean they aren't a good team, doesn't mean they aren't going to get there, but...the Susquehanna loss killed that.  Basically, they are a 11-2 team (excluding the Davidson loss), with both losses on the road.  They've got a chance to make up for the first loss, at least, since they get another crack at Mary Wash.  The Susquehanna loss is hard to explain, other than that Susquehanna is better than their record would indicate and it was the first game after a long layover.  And hey, York lost at Salisbury--these things happen.

I was pleased to see that the Cardinals won both games this past week easily.  I think things are back on track.  Nice to see Matt Spirenberg take advantage of starting again and contributing.  The Cards are now 4-0 since Sean Stolzenthaler has been starting.

I see that Goucher had 2 tech's--what happened?

KitchenRat--where exactly are you coming from? In general, you don't want to be driving to DC during rush hour.  I wouldn't shy away from Metro--it really isn't THAT far from the Metro stop to DuFour, and there is a shuttle bus that stops at the Metro station if you catch it.  Plus, you can't get lost--just take a right out of the Metro Station and walk straight down the street.  You'll see a big building on the left--that's the CUA Law School--and then some dorms (Millenium North/South and Flather).  Go under the bridge, and you'll see the DuFour Center ahead.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 17, 2006, 02:58:44 PM
New Massey Ratings for CAC Teams:

26.  York  SOS: 142
67. Catholic SOS: 146
107. Mary Washington SOS: 159
147. Salisbury SOS: 211
182. St. Mary's SOS: 90
215. Marymount SOS: 222
254. Gallaudet SOS: 319
375. Goucher SOS: 109

Overall, the CAC is ranked 25th out of 60 (though its a hodge-podge mix).  The ODAC, for the record, is 30th.  Amen, mlb...

The 9th biggest upset of the year was Susquehanna beating Catholic, the 10th was Salisbury beating York.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 17, 2006, 03:46:08 PM
Somewhat surprising that the ODAC is 30th and the CAC is 25th... especially considering the type of teams the ODAC plays compared to the CAC... but heck... let them come out with the SOS and we can argue for days :).

Matt - as for the tech's... both on Coach Trevino. To be honest, I think he was very heated over some very questionable officiating. Both teams didn't get much of a fair shake, though they seemed to be calling a much tighter game on Goucher than CUA. However, that said, Goucher was also trying their best to stay in the game and I think committed a few too many stupid fouls.

Anyway, Trevino got nailed by "Gene" both times, it both halves, the final one coming with less than a minute left in the game (I think). He had been trying for about five minutes of game time to get that final tech (I think).

Times are tough at GOU and I think it showed in that game. A lot of frustration on the Gophers bench and on the court. And I might mention, the CUA team certainly looked a bit surprised to see GOU in that condition. Don't look for the Gophers to make any miracle runs... this is simply not their season.

York 06 - amazing how you come on here talking smack now that your team has been to a Final Four (though many argue, through one of the easiest brackets in years) and are playing well now. Why didn't you come on here during those 6-20 years? Just understand, no one is knocking the Spartans... but no one is going to hand them the crown and put them in the Final Four today.

York has a tough road ahead:
- of the 11 games remaining... 7 are away.
- of the 8 teams remaining... 5 have overall records .500 or better... four have conference records of .500 or better.
- opp. record: .491 (56-58) <not counting GOU: .554 (56-45)>
- opp. Conference Record: .444 (12-15) <not counting GOU: .522 (12-11)>
- opp. home record: .556 (25-20 - not couting Hope) <not counting Hope or GOU: .694 (25-11)>.
- 2 games against: CUA, UMW, and GAL.

I think YCP is a tough enough team to play strong on the road... but with a road loss already to SAL... it proves it won't be easy. This will certainly prove if YCP is as good as they seem to be.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on January 17, 2006, 05:01:34 PM
Here's the article from yesterday's game, Gallaudet @ Hood College in Thomas Johnson High School on the Frederick News-Post.

http://www.fredericknewspost.com/sections/sports/display.htm?storyid=45860

Gallaudet won 75-72 by the game winning buzzer shot by Matthew Eby from the half court after being behind by 16 at half and as many as 18 during second half before a huge come back for the victory. Second time this season that Gallaudet had won in the buzzer beater 3-pointer, previous was Robert Haney, Jr.'s shot that sank Salisbury, 63-60 for first conference win at the Field House. Ironically, Eby shot with his right hand, instead of his normal left shooting hand.

Gallaudet (8-6) will travel southern Maryland to take on the St. Mary's Seahawks tomorrow at 7pm. Hood College dropped to 7-10, they will take action in away game against Maryland Bible College this thursday (Jan. 19) then CAC's Salisbury at home in Frederick on the following monday, January 23rd.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: The York 06 on January 17, 2006, 05:30:31 PM
big game tomorrow.  YCP is ready to play this big contest.  Wait til saturday for the first home game with students their.  At home York is unbeatable.  Good luck to all this week.

York in Salem 06
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Truck on January 17, 2006, 05:35:38 PM
York plays on the road tomorrow at the DuFour Center.

8PM tipoff.


Can any CUA Fans or anyone with knowledge tell me how far the university is from the metro? I know there is a Metro station labled CUA but do you have to take a shuttle bus or is it within walking distance?

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: sunny on January 17, 2006, 07:48:07 PM
Quote from: Truck on January 17, 2006, 05:35:38 PM
York plays on the road tomorrow at the DuFour Center.

8PM tipoff.


Can any CUA Fans or anyone with knowledge tell me how far the university is from the metro? I know there is a Metro station labled CUA but do you have to take a shuttle bus or is it within walking distance?




You can walk.  It's at one end of campus and the DuFour is on the other, but it's pretty much a straight walk down the same road.  I don't think I'd want to walk it in a snowstorm or downpour, but I've walked it before and it's not terrible.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 17, 2006, 08:37:45 PM
Quote from: Truck on January 17, 2006, 05:35:38 PM
York plays on the road tomorrow at the DuFour Center.

8PM tipoff.


Can any CUA Fans or anyone with knowledge tell me how far the university is from the metro? I know there is a Metro station labled CUA but do you have to take a shuttle bus or is it within walking distance?



See my post above (not the Massey one--above that), last paragraph.

Its within walking distance.  There is a shuttle bus, but I'd just walk it.  Get off at the CUA/Brookland stop, take a left at the bottom of the escalator.  Head up to the ground level toward the street.  The CUA campus is in front of you.  Take a right, straight down the road. It is a bit of a walk from here, but manageable.  Just look for the landmarks I mentioned. 

Always happy to have visitors at DuFour.  Its a nice facility with plenty of room.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 17, 2006, 09:26:30 PM
Walking at a steady pace it would take about 10 minutes to get to the DuFour from the metro station.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Truck on January 17, 2006, 09:46:12 PM
Thanks to everyone for the info. I went to the CUA website and found a map of the campus and I will follow that. It looks pretty straightforward.

Looking forward to the game. Should be a good one...
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: The York 06 on January 17, 2006, 10:43:25 PM
York is more then well prepared...Catholic will need a Texas like effort to win this game.  See u salem.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: The York 06 on January 18, 2006, 12:25:00 AM
All people on this forum have no clue.  Wake up and look at York.  Can you really see anyone coming into York and winning.  As for Goucher i hope everyone runs it up.  They dont deserve to be in the conference or to win a game.   No one cares about Goucher and i pray they finish 0-26

Again im not a redic fan from york just observing the conference as a whole.  You all need to stop being on this forum 24/7 i laugh at your comments.   =

York in Salem
Catholic wait til tomorrow
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 18, 2006, 12:45:29 AM
Learn how to spell ridiculous before you start generalizing how "all people" here "have no clue."
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: The York 06 on January 18, 2006, 01:47:36 AM
why dont u get with the program.

You have no clue pat coleman

i hate you
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 18, 2006, 01:54:10 AM
Does anyone else get the impression that The York 06 is not long for this board?!

Can anyone from York explain how he ever got admitted and has not yet flunked out?  (Of course, this assumes he IS a York student - for all I know he may be the 12-year-old kid that he appears to be!)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 18, 2006, 02:21:30 AM
Hard to tell. The person has posted from all over, including a neighboring state.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on January 18, 2006, 02:29:28 AM
York 06 is approaching a (-1) karma for each post.  That's gotta be near an all-time record.  Perhaps this was why...
Quote from: The York 06 on January 18, 2006, 01:47:36 AM
You have no clue pat coleman

i hate you
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: rmboy211 on January 18, 2006, 03:11:50 AM
Y'all betta stop talking crap 'bout York college students. Just because they are slow doesnt give y'all the right to make fun of them.

Regarding Tyson, Im still waiting to hear how his drug dealing escapade went.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 18, 2006, 03:13:02 AM
Quote from: ColonelJohn4Life on January 18, 2006, 02:29:28 AM
York 06 is approaching a (-1) karma for each post.  That's gotta be near an all-time record.  Perhaps this was why...
Quote from: The York 06 on January 18, 2006, 01:47:36 AM
You have no clue pat coleman

i hate you


He's got a ways to go to beat 'footballfever' who managed -24 on 14 posts over in the general football thread (d3 vs. NAIA)!

Pat, did you pull the plug on the jerk, or did he simply slink away?  No posts in over two weeks!  (Hurray!)

And the all-time record (as far as I've seen) is Titan2000 (home base: WIAC) at around -115.  But he's been hovering aroung the same number for a couple of weeks (and has even recovered a bit lately) - I'm getting downright tempted to help his recovery with a bit of karma.  I think he's mellowed.

None of this, of course, is to imply that I pay ANY attention whatsoever to karma! ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on January 18, 2006, 07:07:50 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 18, 2006, 01:54:10 AM

Can anyone from York explain how he ever got admitted and has not yet flunked out? (Of course, this assumes he IS a York student - for all I know he may be the 12-year-old kid that he appears to be!)

Who knows? G. W. Got in to Yale didn't he? Every School has it's C students. Some don't know when to use THEIR and and when to use THERE and some go looking for fights.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: x33ycp on January 18, 2006, 07:31:17 AM
York 06, who are you? I have always enjoyed reading all posts, and most seem to have good points. I decided I had to post so YCP can save some face here. First of all, have you ever played at DuFour? When I played we beat them once, and it was always difficult to get a win down there. I think if you ask Coach Gamber, he has nothing but respect for the Cards and is expecting an absolute war in DC tonight. It will be a VERY tight game tonight. I think York is a bit more talented and a little deeper, but home court is worth at least 4-5 points. Should be a great game....GO SPARTANS!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on January 18, 2006, 09:07:49 AM
York '06 is the exact kind of people that make fans of the CAC get their feathers ruffled. Some students'fan go to actually cheer their team. aNYWAYS, POOR TASTE.

as for CAC action....Tough field out there, as the seaosn so far has proved, and the action only gets sweeter.

Looking forward to all the games - especially MW's games (The FOur HOrsemen will appear this year).

and to a former CAC player and Sixers fan, Schmel's! How you gonna let York 'o6 talk like that....
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: x33ycp on January 18, 2006, 10:00:05 AM
Yeah, my guess is he's some freshman that really has no idea what he is talking about. If York can sweep this week, @CUA tonight and home on saturday against MWC, I think it will be very tough for anyone else to win the conference. That said, a sweep will be very difficult. All starts tonight in DC, because I dont think they will lose at home all year. These games become so important for seedings in the conference tourney. I know i dont want to be going down to DuFour or Goolrick (i know what that's like  ;)) in the tourney.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 18, 2006, 10:04:59 AM
Quote from: x33ycp on January 18, 2006, 07:31:17 AM
York 06, who are you? I have always enjoyed reading all posts, and most seem to have good points. I decided I had to post so YCP can save some face here. First of all, have you ever played at DuFour? When I played we beat them once, and it was always difficult to get a win down there. I think if you ask Coach Gamber, he has nothing but respect for the Cards and is expecting an absolute war in DC tonight. It will be a VERY tight game tonight. I think York is a bit more talented and a little deeper, but home court is worth at least 4-5 points. Should be a great game....GO SPARTANS!!!!

Rest assured that Catholic fans and the people who post on here just dismiss this York06 character, who at this point is just a flame thrower trying to bait us.  Everything I know about the York program leads me to believe they absolutely respect Catholic and would view this game as a tough test.  I know on the Catholic side of things, I have nothing but respect for York and I know my Cards are facing an excellent team tonight. 

It would be tough for anyone else to win the conference if York sweeps this week, but strange things happen--you never know when a Salisbury or a Marymount will show up, get it together, and upset one of the top teams.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cuabigdog on January 18, 2006, 10:33:15 AM
tonights game CUA vs YORK could in my opinion be CAC's version of MD vs DUKE with intensity and excitement..tonights game could very well be decided at the line as well as turnovers.. it should prove to be an evening to remember to those who attend...also let's hope the officials are on their game tonight as well........  GO CARDS !!!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on January 18, 2006, 10:42:58 AM
Besides, YCP - who is clearly the team to beat and CUA, always tough - always intense,  I think MW is the wildcard, alogn with maybe Gally.

Depends on personel for Coach Wood.
Here's a list of starters that are no longer on the team that would change the landscape of MW's line up

John Hurd - Big and 3's
Ian Summers - Inside force
K. Moore (Yao) - Big Guy that was just starting to come around
Josh Wilson - Athletic, big, and defensive

We have Baker, Pierce, and Lee - although Lee hasn't had to carry the load and shots way too many 3s.

anyways, just some thoughts from MW's side, as we don't get much asction on the board anymore.
Clint, where are you?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: x33ycp on January 18, 2006, 11:50:22 AM
Since Im giving a mid-term today I have alot of time.....let's look at matchups for tonight's game.....

Kelly vs. Zerfing......I think Brad has become has become the most solid PG in the CAC....not flashy....but really gets the job done...Kelly i remember can really get after it on D.....very slight advantage to YCP

Satalin vs. Bushey....Satalin is tough, but I dont think he has become the player everyone at CUA thought he would become....Bushey is simply one the premier guards in the region.....advantage YCP

Fumai vs. Fass.....Kenny makes York go and is one of the better guards in the conference...he does alot of things very well....Fumai is a solid player that continues to improve.....EVEN

Singer vs. Dwyer? This could be a key matchup....both sides have an advantage. Singer down low against Dwyer will cause problems...but Dwyer can take him outside and become a problem. McGowan might cover Dwyer anyway......EVEN

McGowan vs. Sowden....Great matchup...Chad is the next great player to come through YCP. He is having a great year and is a much better player than he was last year (CAC Rookie of the Year) But Sowden is the best big man in the conference....slight advantage to CUA...only because of Sowden's experience..

Bench-----Yeck, Fry, and Lee and Howard might be the X factor in YCP getting a victory...advantage YCP

Just my thoughts....i could be totally off base here....Ive only seen YCP 3 times this season, but I've played with alot of these guys....I remember most of CUA's players. Any other opinions??
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on January 18, 2006, 01:24:13 PM
For those unable to make it in person to a game tonight...
UMW at Goucher doubleheader live webcast at 5:30 and 7:30.

http://athletics.umw.edu/broadcastschedule.htm
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 18, 2006, 02:32:57 PM
Quote from: x33ycp on January 18, 2006, 11:50:22 AM
Since Im giving a mid-term today I have alot of time.....let's look at matchups for tonight's game.....

Kelly vs. Zerfing......I think Brad has become has become the most solid PG in the CAC....not flashy....but really gets the job done...Kelly i remember can really get after it on D.....very slight advantage to YCP

Satalin vs. Bushey....Satalin is tough, but I dont think he has become the player everyone at CUA thought he would become....Bushey is simply one the premier guards in the region.....advantage YCP

Fumai vs. Fass.....Kenny makes York go and is one of the better guards in the conference...he does alot of things very well....Fumai is a solid player that continues to improve.....EVEN
Singer vs. Dwyer? This could be a key matchup....both sides have an advantage. Singer down low against Dwyer will cause problems...but Dwyer can take him outside and become a problem. McGowan might cover Dwyer anyway......EVEN

McGowan vs. Sowden....Great matchup...Chad is the next great player to come through YCP. He is having a great year and is a much better player than he was last year (CAC Rookie of the Year) But Sowden is the best big man in the conference....slight advantage to CUA...only because of Sowden's experience..

Bench-----Yeck, Fry, and Lee and Howard might be the X factor in YCP getting a victory...advantage YCP

Just my thoughts....i could be totally off base here....Ive only seen YCP 3 times this season, but I've played with alot of these guys....I remember most of CUA's players. Any other opinions??

Couple notes...

There have been some lineup changes for CUA.  Freshman Sean Stoltzethaler has replaced Aaron Kelly as the starting PG.  Sean is a quick guard from NJ who can also shoot the three.  When he's in there, CUA is considerably more up tempo--he's got to be the quickest guy on the team--its fun to watch him beat the press.  Kelly still gets good minutes, and you are right, his defense is great.  Don't forget about last year's starting PG, Mike Waslienko, either.  CUA has a lot of depth here, depending on the type of offense they want to run and what they need on defense.

Satalin's at his best when he's set with his feet planted.  He is an incredible free throw shooter--62-64 for the year (.969).  JJ Reddick good.  Overall, of course, Bushey is a great all around player--interesting to see who ends up guarding him.  I think Fumai might draw that assignment.

Fumai is a reliable scorer who can shoot from just about anywhere.  CUA really needed a player like this (they didn't have it last year) who can just go ahead and make a J when there's nothing else. He's also a pretty good slasher at getting to the basket and to the line.  On defense, he's done a nice job--he was put on Eastern's best player, who had 19 points in the first half, for the second half of that game--and the kid got absolutely nothing and finished with 19 points.

Matt Spirenberg has been starting in place of Shane Sowden.  Obviously, Sowden is a better player and gets the bulk of the minutes, but this allows CUA to have either Dwyer or Sowden on the court at all times.  Matt has actually played pretty well the last few games, too.  If you need a rebound he's a good choice.

Dwyer is living up to his promise this year.  He's quick for a big guy and take it to the hoop for a slam.  His post moves have gotten better, and he's a 40% shooter from 3. 

I've written about Sowden before--leads the league in shot blocks, great moves inside, quick, etc.  He needs to have a great game tonight for CUA to win.

The bench is a CUA advantage.  This is a team that saw SEVENTEEN players see action against Goucher.  12 players are averaging more than 9 minutes per game (York has 9.)  Andrew Baker has played well as a backup Center (transfer from RMC), Steve Papageorge (SF) is a good 3 point shooter who has been hot lately, Stephen Wheeler is another big guy who can score, Evan Yarborough is another quick, freshman guard.  And of course you have Wasilenko, Kelly, etc off the bench also.  Even freshman Nick Oliverio, who just recently starting playing more (had 8 against Goucher) can contribute in spurts.

CUA is very deep.  York has a lot of talent, but CUA has the personnel to try different things and adjust as neccessary.  It should be a good game.  You have to consider York the favorite, even on the road, but I think CUA has the depth and skills to hang with them and beat them.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 18, 2006, 03:11:50 PM
As for CUA, I was surprised Sowden didn't start against Goucher. Wasn't sure why, but there were some other surprises too. Kelly hardly played (got in during mop time) and Wasilenko was the guard giving Stoltzethaler breaks. Kelly and Wasilenko have been the guards to watch out for in the past few years. Word I got was that these two guards and Coach Howes don't completely see eye to eye.

Honestly, my favorite thing to watch in the CUA/GOU game was James Russo vs. Patrick Dwyer. They are different players... with the same heart and intensity. It was fun to watch them on both sides of the court play hard to try and stop the other, or beat the other. Ultimately, Dwyer got into foul trouble and the blow out ended his time on the court.

As for YCP... simply put, this is the big game for them at this point in the season. This starts 7 away games in the final 11 (yes, only 11 left). Should they get a win tonight, they will be on a good roll. However, a loss tonight doesn't kill them. For the simple reason, CUA was to come up to the kitchen before the end of the season... where its simply difficult to beat the Spartans.

Now, if YCP losses at home to UMW this weekend... we have a different story. The only way they will be able to make up that game is to beat the Eagles in the UMW swimming pool's attic :). That isn't easy!

Best case scenario... win both this week. But YCP will not be in serious trouble should they split the games - losing the one tonight.

Split the other way... things could be very interesting down the road.

Wish I could be at the game tonight... there are three in the area tonight I would love to be at... but duty calls... and there is the #5 women's team in the nation coming to the SRC!!!

Oh - finally... has anyone thought that maybe York 06 is bipolar?
Example #1:
Quote from: The York 06 on January 17, 2006, 05:30:31 PM
big game tomorrow.  YCP is ready to play this big contest.  Wait til saturday for the first home game with students their.  At home York is unbeatable.  Good luck to all this week.

Example #2 (five hours later):
Quote from: The York 06 on January 18, 2006, 12:25:00 AM
All people on this forum have no clue.  Wake up and look at York.  Can you really see anyone coming into York and winning.  As for Goucher i hope everyone runs it up.  They dont deserve to be in the conference or to win a game.   No one cares about Goucher and i pray they finish 0-26

Again im not a redic fan from york just observing the conference as a whole.  You all need to stop being on this forum 24/7 i laugh at your comments.   =

York in Salem
Catholic wait til tomorrow

It seems like two different people. In Example #1 he/she seems like a good fan. In Example #2 he/she seems like an a-----e!

Or... could this be multiple people posting from the same account!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 18, 2006, 03:25:24 PM
I think Coach Howes has been trying to get the team in gear, get the matchups he wants and move up tempo with the lineup changes.  So far, its worked.

Hey D-Mac---now would be a good time for the Gophers to get a W on the board, by the way...I think I speak for the York fans too (no offense Goonies...)

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 18, 2006, 03:32:18 PM
Matt -- Anytime would be a good time for the Gophers to get a W on the board. But I can appreciate all those out there who want it tonight!!!

I just want to announce a number other in the win column... other than zero!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: The York 06 on January 18, 2006, 05:12:18 PM
looking foward to the game tonight.  I'll be the  screaming fan from york.  YCP nation

York College

I hate pat
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 18, 2006, 05:30:28 PM
If you're in York PA right now, and you haven't left, I'm not so sure you'll be at the game tonight...which is a shame, because there are probably a few people here, myself included, that wouldn't mind telling you directly that you're an idiot. 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on January 18, 2006, 05:50:41 PM
I would have to agreed with Matt about CUA's up tempo game and the change in the line up. I did saw CUA game more than once included the Pepsi Classic Championship game. Yes, York is a pretty talent, skill and experience team but CUA does have a better depth on the bench in each position compare to York. CUA is playing much better after their line up change and make more adjust during the game with more opinions against opposite teams. Coach Gamber had been to DuFour more than twice this past winter to scout the Cards. Plus, it's at nothing else but the famed DuFour Center.

It would be a hard fought game, I would not surprise to see the Cardinals walk away with the upset victory over YCP at DuFour Center tonight. It would be interesting to find out the result tonight.

PS - All of us are suppose to LOVE PAT, not to hate him.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on January 18, 2006, 08:03:40 PM
Go Eagles!

Ps - is the voting over for best gym, or am i just blind and missing the instructions?

thanks

Goonie '04
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on January 18, 2006, 08:13:10 PM
Pat, can we vote someone off the Island?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on January 18, 2006, 08:32:22 PM
With about 5 minutes left in the first half, CUA 22-YCP 18.

Catholic started the game on a 15-4 run so to be only four points down isn't too bad.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on January 18, 2006, 08:44:14 PM
At the half at DuFour....

YCP 28-Catholic 27
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on January 18, 2006, 09:08:30 PM
With 12 minutes left in the second half, York 47-Catholic 41.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: eaglefan on January 18, 2006, 09:25:09 PM
Great game for the Gophers.  Not that I am happy.  It is alright, the Eagles can make amends on Saturday for out right CAC lead.  Clint, where is AJ?  Haven't seen him in the latest box scores?  Listened to some of the game tonight, didn't catch that he played.  Eagles- play as a team, keep your head up, and make all the on--line pundits take notice!
Go EAGLES!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: rmboy211 on January 18, 2006, 09:32:02 PM
UPDATE of the YORK game please!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: rmboy211 on January 18, 2006, 09:43:24 PM
This question is for Pal Coleman!!!!

This is regarding your signature

Publisher, D3hoops.com, D3football.com (and that's it, no other sports). On the Web since 1997.
Got a question? We've got answers, check FAQ for football and hoops.

Did you pay to have that phrase, because last time I checked, that was the quote for Circuit City. I think I need to report you to Circuit City and maybe knock some sense to you before you make yourself look stupid even more.

Thank you and God please York and the losing team of Goucher (0-26)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on January 18, 2006, 09:47:18 PM
Going to overtime at DuFour...

YCP 62-Catholic 62...

From the information I received, Catholic outscores York 11-2 over the last three plus minutes of the game. Interestingly, the Spartans had very few free throw attempts at the end of the game with the Cardinals trailing.

Just as good as we thought it would be.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Akela15 on January 18, 2006, 09:53:29 PM
Listening to a York station, the referees have seemd to disappear in the last 5 mins of regulation on the York offensive end.  Any comments from anyone there?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on January 18, 2006, 09:57:08 PM
CUA 68-YCP 67 with 27.1 remaining in overtime
Catholic has the ball......
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: rmboy211 on January 18, 2006, 10:01:56 PM
UPDATE???
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on January 18, 2006, 10:03:32 PM
Final from DuFour..

Catholic 69-York 67

Details when I get the box.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Akela15 on January 18, 2006, 10:04:10 PM
67-York
69-Catholic
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on January 18, 2006, 10:08:50 PM
Sounds like it was a close game all the way through. This has been the story of the last 2 seasons for the Sparts: Close CAC games on the road. They are still right around last years pace as they were 14-1 going into the game at UMW where they picked up the second loss. Now they must win on Saturday and focus starting a new winning streak.
   
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: unreallawns on January 18, 2006, 10:11:24 PM
Any word from Salisbury?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: coach t on January 18, 2006, 10:30:16 PM
Gallaudet lost to St. Marys 83-77. If we were to talk about the CAC Rookie of the Year, it should be without question Point Guard Jon Mowl of Gallaudet.

He is simply a great point player. I was amazed with his play, even though Gallaudet lost the last 3 CAC games. If you have not yet seen his play, you need to!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on January 18, 2006, 10:32:34 PM
Coach T....

Exactly how many CAC games have you seen this year to determine Mr. Mowl as the CAC rookie of the year?

Just curious.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cuabigdog on January 18, 2006, 10:32:55 PM
Final from Washington DC:
Catholic U 67
York          65
Congratulations to Catholic U. [12-3] on a well fought game in thier victory tonight  over York College[13-2] in Overtime...Both team laid it on the line tonight and both fought it out tough till the end ..
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: manofgor24 on January 18, 2006, 10:38:16 PM
Final from Maggs.........

Salisbury - 71

Marymount - 63
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 18, 2006, 11:29:43 PM
Quote from: rmboy211 on January 18, 2006, 09:43:24 PM
This question is for Pal Coleman!!!!

This is regarding your signature

Publisher, D3hoops.com, D3football.com (and that's it, no other sports). On the Web since 1997.
Got a question? We've got answers, check FAQ for football and hoops.

Did you pay to have that phrase, because last time I checked, that was the quote for Circuit City. I think I need to report you to Circuit City and maybe knock some sense to you before you make yourself look stupid even more.

I believe Circuit City's advertising slogan is "You've got questions, we've got answers."
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Truck on January 18, 2006, 11:49:22 PM
Just got back from watching this overtime thriller at the DuFour Center.

I have to say it was my first time at this venue and boy it was loud in there. I love the tremendous fan support and enthusiasm from the students.

It was 28-27 in favor of York at halftime.

In the second half, both teams traded baskets until about the 10 minute mark. Here, York began to creep slowly into the lead and by the 6 minute mark they were up by 11.

I admire CUA's determination and will to not hand the game over to York. The guys fought back by hitting key 3 point shots and getting the ball down low and drawing the foul.

CUA was shooting free throws and York's coach wanted to get the ball to halfcourt prior to calling his last timeout. However, the CUA player missed and with 4 seconds left, York was not able to move the ball up and instead had to call a timeout and proceed from underneath their own basket. A shot at the buzzer was long and CUA won the game in overtime. 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Truck on January 18, 2006, 11:51:49 PM
I also didn't hear The York 06 screaming at the top of his lungs. Where were you? I specifically sat behind the York bench so I could be entertained by you.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 18, 2006, 11:56:10 PM
A great night of basketball and somebody is trying to nail Pat for copyright infringement? Please...

It was an unbelieveable basketball game at DuFour tonight.  Catholic has really been looking for a leader all year.  Tonight, they found it with Pat Dwyer.  York ran an extremely effective soft zone defense that double teamed Shane Sowden and shut him down (5 points, 4 boards).  It wasn't so much Shane, it was just that there was no lane to get him the ball.  That left it up to Patrick Dwyer to deliver, and did he ever--11/19, (2-4 from 3) for 27 points, 7 rebounds.  

A key factor in this game was the depth of Catholic.  York had just an 8 man rotation, Catholic rotated 11 guys in and out and was able to stay just a bit fresher at the end of the game.  Both teams played great defense---York played an extremely effective zone, but Catholic was able to hang with York's shooters and force them into contested shots all night.  York was just 4-14 from 3.  Brian Singer impressed me with his work on Sowden and his offense--even his free throw shooting.  Sowden and Dwyer did a great job on McGowan and forced him into 3-13.  He had nowhere to go and couldn't spin around CUA's big guys.

By the way, for those of you who want to cry foul (literally), free throws were virtually even--York was 11-19, Catholic 13-20.  I don't know that I particularly appreciated the hands off officiating, but it was consistant for both sides.  

As you know, CUA jumped out on all cylinders, but they went ice cold.  Because of how soft York was playing and their emphasis on inside defense, they had numerous open jumpers but just simply missed them. Fumai was 2-9, Satalin 3-10.  York pulled ahead in the half and steadily built a 11 point lead wtih 6:40 left.  The lead was 9 until 3:34 when Catholic started their run.  It was all precipitated by great team defense.  CUA was able to get some transition baskets after struggling in the half court.  York got flustered with the increased pressure and had some bad turnovers.

Pat Dwyer, a 57% FT shooter, hit 2 FT's to tie the game (though he missed 2 at the end of OT to ice it).  Catholic had a chance to win after Paddy Lee turned the ball over with 12.2 left but Stolenthaler's shot was blocked.  Sean had a great game though, 13 points (2-4 from 3) and only 1 TO in 33 minutes.  He's turned into CUA's most promising freshman.

In OT, the teams traded baskets until York yanked Singer for a quick breather, but McGowan had fouled out so Sowden was finally able to get the ball inside for an easy layup.  CUA played great defense on the next posession and forced a bad shot.  The game was just about sealed when Scott Fumai missed his shot but got the offensive rebound.  Satalin missed just his 3rd FT of the year (he leads the nation in FT %), which gave York a sliver of hope with 4 seconds left, but they couldn't get a decent shot off.

Frankly, what was remarkable to me about this win was that Catholic really didn't play very well. They did take good care of the ball (13 To's, +4) but they were outshot 45-42%, outrebounded 46-32(!) and shot 27% from 3.  They gave up 14 offensive rebounds! Its remarkable that they won and it gives me a good deal of hope--if they can beat York playing like this, who can they beat if they playing well? They've got a high ceiling.

Kudos to CUA for coming up with a good home court tonight.  It absolutely made a difference--when DuFour is full of Catholic fans, its a very tough place to play.  I know that CUA's trip to York will be no picnic at all, but this is a great win for CUA and puts them right back on the national map--where I think they belong.

D-Mac--thanks bro.  Nice win!

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on January 19, 2006, 12:25:12 AM
Matt,

Thanks for the game recap but I do have to make a minor correction to your report. I would be willing to guess that the York defense was not zone but man-to-man. I would guess that most of the time we did double down but I am sure, without seeing the game, that we didn't play a traditional zone.

Hopefully this will quiet some of the overzeolous "Spartan Fanatics" (and I use that term very loosely).

And another thing while I am on the topic, If you (as a poster) are going to trash other teams, other programs and make your institution look bad (as some fans have done on this site), sign your name to your posts. Don't chicken out and hide behind an email address. It's pathetic! If you want to be a man and tell everyone how bad everybody sucks, great, but have enough stones to put your name to it. Maybe you think it's cool but it really shows what a little person you are. Most of the fans on this site are very knowledgeble and are interested in what other teams are doing in the CAC. I also know that there are many people that read the board but don't post (right A.K?). The stupid trash talk does nothing but diminish the quality of the board and that is sad.
I am sure this will be met with their venom but I just couldn't sit back and watch this garbage continue to happen without saying anything.

and now back to basketball...York sits a game back of CUA and UMW with both still scheduled to come to Wolf Gym but they are just two of the remaining ten games. It should be a great race over the next five weeks and hopefully it can be enjoyed in a civil manner by all fans on this board.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 19, 2006, 12:57:59 AM
ycp,

I'll be honest, it looked like a zone to me, at least for a significant stretch of the first half. And even if it was technically a man-to-man, it had a zone-like influence, forcing Catholic to beat them from the perimeter.

Which they did not, not in the first half at least.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on January 19, 2006, 01:00:32 AM
Interesting. Having been at York for 11 years, I haven't seen us play zone very much at all. Having said that, I wasn't at the game so I will have to trust the people that were there.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 19, 2006, 01:01:15 AM
By the way, I don't have more to post on this game because I am still trying to figure out how Catholic won. Just an odd game.

I am no X's and O's guru, so perhaps it was a man and I just didn't recognize it.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on January 19, 2006, 01:07:31 AM
No problem...
I was surprised when I saw the stats...
York outrebounds the top team in the CAC in rebouding margin, by alot. York shots a better percentage from the floor, both teams aren't great from the line, and Catholic makes one more play than the Spartans.

Coach Gamber likes to say that most Division III men's games are won in the last four minutes of the game. We did a great job of that last year and have done pretty well with that this year. This one looked like it just got away.

Time to move on and get ready for Mary Washington.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 19, 2006, 01:13:38 AM
I guess it could have been man, but it looked like a zone to me.  If I was trying to beat Catholic, that's what I would have done--force them to make jump shots while shutting down the lanes inside.  And really, it worked.  If you find out exactly, ycp, share with us...I'm still thinking that it was a zone, or the closest thing to it.

I appreciated the rest of your post, too. You're right--I put my name on these posts because I want to be accountable.  Sometimes I make mistakes or make people angry and get called out, but that's ok.

And I just want to add, once again, how much I appreciate the York program and the way they conduct themselves.  They always display sportsmanship and discipline.  So often I see visiting teams with coaches that constantly scream and curse at the refs and players (and there is a place for that when the situation warrants--not cursing, but getting your guys in gear or giving the refs and earful when they blow it, but not ALL the time), and Coach Gamber and York never displays any of that.  There was nothing but respect and good sportsmanship from both sides after the game.  They know they'll be seeing each other again soon--maybe even twice.  

Tonight really was what D3 basketball was about--two really good teams, a great atmosphere, two excellent coaches (I neglected to specifically mention earlier what I great job I thought Steve Howes did keeping his team composed, in the game and refraining from trying to get all 10 points back at once) and no animosity afterward.

I know what you mean Pat...the stat sheet doesn't really tell the story.  Sometimes you just have to chalk it up to will and heart, I guess.  

We missed you YCP--I was looking for you...

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: The York 06 on January 19, 2006, 01:17:38 AM
Great game tonight...i thought the officiating was rather poor in the final 3 minutes with york up by 9.  Catholic better be ready to play when they come to york because they are going to have a tough time winning.  At this same time last year, york lost their second game and then began thieir run to the final four.  Hopefully this is the beginning of showing the league what york college has to offer.  I feel bad for mary washington on saturday because they will get hammered for the first game back for the students.  It will be loud and impossible to play at.  Catholic...be ready for febuary 10 because we will be ready for you.
By the way pat sorry i am from new jersey and logged in from two different places.   get a life and stop living through d3hoops.  

Great game and i will see all of you at york when you shut your mouths about york college.  When you watch this team daily like i do then you can talk, but when catholic comes in here keep it shut because they will get beat badly

Peace out your all waste of life

i hate you pat
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 19, 2006, 01:25:12 AM
Good news is, as you can read, one of your school's own representatives has asked me to shut you down, and I have no qualms about doing so.

Thankfully there are plenty of York fans who are not a**holes. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: manofgor24 on January 19, 2006, 02:35:59 AM
Im sure this was a great game tonight.............Lets focus the discussion towards Goucher.  Makes the conference a little more interesting.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: unreallawns on January 19, 2006, 08:17:14 AM
Congrats to Salisbury for their win against Marymount.  They will definitly be contending for home court in the playoffs and they play very well at Maggs.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: x33ycp on January 19, 2006, 08:28:00 AM
Sounds like it was a great game last night.....couple questions for anyone who was at the game. I got to listen to the OT on CUA's website. Sounded like Bushey was knocked down pretty hard late in OT and no foul was called. Also, did Zerfing get called for 3 seconds or an offensive foul in OT? After CUA missed the second foul shot with 5.5 seconds left....sounded like we could have dribbled the ball over half court and call TO with about 3 seconds left.....but it was called when we were a couple feet away from midcourt? Obviously that is a big difference inbounding with little time left. Can someone give me some insight on any of this? Sounded like YCP couldnt close the deal...up 9 with 330 left...no excuse to not win that game....gotta expect to not get calls down the stretch on the road. Congrats to CUA....great win for you guys. MWC's loss to Goucher helps YCP alot though. With both MWC and CUA still having to come to the kitchen, I still think YCP is in fine position. I have a feeling that on Feb. 8 it will be a different story. Congrats CUA, and we need a big win on Saturday against MWC!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: eaglemaniac on January 19, 2006, 09:26:08 AM
It's UMW not MWC  ::)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on January 19, 2006, 09:29:21 AM
Saturday will be a big game.
Let's see how those Eagles rebound from a tough loss to swallow.
As always, the CAC never lets us fans down - always action, always intense.

Gotta love CAC b-ball!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 19, 2006, 09:40:18 AM
I don't remember that Bushey play you're talking about, and the stat sheet doesn't list any Turnovers for Bushey in OT. Anyone else?

In any case, Satalin got called for a real ticky tack reach in OT that hadn't been a foul all night (it was right in front of me and I didn't see contact).  At the end of regulation when Stolzenhaler was driving down with a chance to win the game, he took it to the basket and got knocked down pretty hard at the buzzer.  Could have been called a foul but wasn't.  I don't disagree with the non-call, mind you, but there was a lot of contact.  Obviously CUA could have won it at the line in regulation.  The officials wanted to let the game be decided by the players.

Zerfing got called for 3 seconds.  Yes, York could have inbounded and gotten it up to midcourt.  That was a mistake.  In fairness, CUA had set up on defense pretty well.  But still, that would have been a smarter play.  A bigger problem was not boxing out on Fumai's jumper---he was able to get right through the line and get his own miss.


Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on January 19, 2006, 09:50:04 AM
Damn! Its bad enough that that jackass went to the same school as I did but to also be from the same state just makes me mad. I've said it before and I'll say it again telling people they have no life for doing the same thing as you do, only better is just a sign of low IQ. Get back in the IROC and head back to Jersey pal. (I'm Italian so dont take that as a slur.)
Should be interesting to see how the game starts in the Kitchen on Saturday. I know UMW is as upset w/their loss as We are...if not more. Both teams could come out too over hyped and play sloppy for the first few trips down the court or we could see another classic game with both teams on point for 40 (or 45) min.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 19, 2006, 10:27:42 AM
Regarding the last time out, Coach Gamber was right next to an official as the ball came in and I believe the whistle blew right on Gamber's call.

They may have been taken aback by Satalin's miss, considering it was only his third all season.

It was a three-second call. Doesn't mean it was necessarily on Zerfing, though. When they call three seconds it doesn't come with a number.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Truck on January 19, 2006, 11:18:09 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 19, 2006, 10:27:42 AM
Regarding the last time out, Coach Gamber was right next to an official as the ball came in and I believe the whistle blew right on Gamber's call.

They may have been taken aback by Satalin's miss, considering it was only his third all season.

It was a three-second call. Doesn't mean it was necessarily on Zerfing, though. When they call three seconds it doesn't come with a number.


When Statalin was shooting free throws, there were 5.3 seconds left. Gamber expected the free throws to be made and the plan was to throw the ball past halfcourt and call a timeout so that they can start on CUA's side of the court.

When Statalin missed and the rebound was grabbed, Gamber quickly called TO and one of the refs was next to him.

Many York fans felt that time should have been put on the clock - there were now 4 seconds left in the game.


Regarding the 3 second call, I think it was on Zerfing b/c he was down low in the paint looking to go up. There was another York player on the other side of the blocks but I don't know if he was in the paint or not.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cugrad on January 19, 2006, 03:43:14 PM
Both Zerfing and, I think it was Singer were in the lane. Singer had the ball and was trying to get it to Zerfing. I think he had trouble handling the ball and one of them were called for three seconds. I don't remember Bushey being knocked down, however, I do remember the foul called against Satelin that Matt refers to. Concerning York's defense, they were definitely playing zone at times. For much of the second half, they shut down Catholic playing what looked like a 2-3 zone. Not too many people have talked about the job that Patrick Dwyer did last night. He played like an All American! Without a doubt, it was Dwyer and Stoltzenthaler who made the difference last night. They did a great job on both ends of the court. Indeed, winning in York will be quite a challenge. But the Cards must not overlook any CAC oppoment, for there are no automatic wins this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: John Rusnak on January 19, 2006, 04:58:56 PM
Pat, for whatever it's worth, York has a tendency to play a very sagging man that looks like a zone.  They've used it against Goucher for years.  Depending on whether or not they are switching any screens and where players are positioned, it's very possible for their man to look like a zone.

Of course, I couldn't see the game from my cell, so it's possible that they were in fact playing a zone.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on January 19, 2006, 10:09:01 PM
Gallaudet Bison went and lost to St. Mary's, 83-77. The Bison fall to 8-7 overall and 2-3 in the conference. It's Gallaudet's third straight conference losses after 2-0 start, it drop them to 5th place. The halftime score was in favor of St. Mary's 36-31.

After Tyson Lesesne scored with 11:29 remaining in second half, it gave St. Mary's the largest lead of the game, 59-46. All sudden, Gallaudet begin other comeback run like they did at Hood, they went 18-6 run to cut it back to just 1 point game (65-64) with just 5:51 left in the clock. But at end, St. Mary's made keys free throws at the final minute to pull it away.

St. Mary's

Lesesne - 27 points (game high), 7 assists and 2 steals in 40 minutes
Engelstad - 13 points (7-8 FT), 4 rebounds, 4 assists, and 4 steals
Wise - 13 points and 5 rebounds
Bushell - 10 points and 6 rebounds

Gallaudet
Haney, Jr. - 19 points, 5 rebounds, 5 assists, 2 steals and a block in 38 minutes
Jackson - 16 points (all in 2nd half), 8 rebounds, 4 steals and 2 assists
Eby - 13 points on 5-6 FG, and 5 rebounds
Mowl - 6 points, 5 assists, and 4 rebounds in 36 minutes

Bench points- GAL 32,SMC 17. Score tied-2 times. Lead changed-4 times.

On saturday, it would be a thrill and rivalry game in the Field House, which the Gallaudet Bison (8-7, 2-3) will host the neighborhood, Catholic Cardinals at 4pm. It probably expect to be close to be or will be a full house for the game.

PS - To York fans, sorry but see.. I told you that the Catholic will win against YCP and they actually did walk away with the victory at the DuFour.  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: x33ycp on January 20, 2006, 09:32:03 AM
Yeah, I would be willing to bet it was one foot in the lane unless your on the ball,  not a true zone. It has alot of zone principles, but it is just packed in man to man. Big game at Wolf Gym tomorrow!!

Prediction----

YCP--84
UMW- 70

York will come up big tomorrow.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 20, 2006, 09:44:30 AM
Well that may be, but believe it, was more like 4-6 feet in the lane at all times!  Seriously, they had 2 guys parked deep inside suffocating Sowden for a good portion of the game. 

Sort of a tough game for Catholic at Gallaudet, especially coming off the big York win.  Their place is not a particularly comfortable one to go into, and they're always very physical.  I'll be hoping for a tightly officiated game.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on January 20, 2006, 02:14:54 PM
This game against York will be a real tell about the rest of UMW's season. Come up big with a win......MW will still be in the mix, at least to make things interesting until the end of the CAC tourney.

A loss on the otherhadn might break a young team like this. I'm sure Coach Wood will get them prepared.

Go Eagles
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: jmccloskey on January 21, 2006, 01:21:10 AM
From what I read in the NCAA Division III Bylaws, a conference can maintain it's eligiblity for the NCAA tournament as long as it maintains seven NCAA eligible institutions in the conference, four of which are "core" members.  But the seven members don't need to have been in the conference for two years.  If this is right, the CAC won't lose it's qualifiers, since Hood and Villa Julie would both be full members for the 2007-2008 academic year, the same year Catholic and Goucher formally depart, leaving the conference with eight members in both Men's and Women's basketball?

Am I reading this right?  Sorry if this has already been discussed in here, and I just missed it.

Jeff McCloskey
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 21, 2006, 01:28:55 AM
Jeff,

I don't think it has been discussed, and you are correct in reading the bylaws as such.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: unreallawns on January 21, 2006, 10:47:25 AM
Any predictions for today's games?  I think Salisbury will win by 8 over SMC.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on January 21, 2006, 02:44:09 PM
From the half at York...

York 48-UMW 47


UMW 8-14 from three, 56.3%from the floor
YCP 4-14 from three, 52.6% from the floor
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: jmccloskey on January 21, 2006, 02:55:49 PM
Hmm, Catholic and Goucher are headed out of the CAC in 2007 for a yet unnamed conference.  Anyone know who else is joining this new conference?  Will Catholic be playing football in the new conference, or are they staying in the ODAC for that?

Jeff McCloskey
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 21, 2006, 03:35:18 PM
Here's a blog entry we did on the "Interstate Eight" announcement back in December, and it also has a link to the news story on the site.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on January 21, 2006, 03:54:27 PM
Final from YCP....

York 98-UMW 93

Details after the women's game.

Box Score
http://www.ycp.edu/sports/mens_basketball/2005/YCPMBB16.HTM
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on January 21, 2006, 04:39:43 PM
I haven't seen an up and down game with that little over all D in a while, that said I have to say that Kenny Fass did an amazing job on Mike Lee. Most of Lee's 17 points came when Fass either wasn't on the floor or was peeled off by a non called moving screen. I am not a person who bitches about officiating much but in this game it was AWFUL. At one point the refs called a Tech on ast Coach Dean Gamber for clapping his hands together to loudly and jumping out of his seat after a bad call. I'm not exaggerating, either, he didn't say a word but got teched up any way. There were some terrible missed offensive fouls in addition to the total lack of an understanding of what a walk is that we all have come to expect from the CAC refs.
   There were spurts where it looked like UMW might get on a big run but York came up with some big plays to steam the tide. McGowan had two big blocks, and Fass had three huge steals all at very opportune times, to get the team fired up. I can't say enough about those two in this game. Chad had 32 points including two huge break away 2-1 dunks and 7 boards. Kenny had a great all around line of 19 pts 8 boards those 3 steals and two assists, in addition to being all over Lee all day.
   Singer got some early fouls and at one point Coach Gamber had a team of 2's and 3's on the floor with McGowan and Singer sitting so there was a lot of inside points for the Eagles. Even when the big fellas were out there the focus didn't seam to be on denying looks from down low and I don't know what to attribute that to.
   In the end York seamed to have more steam, however, and they worked a great rotation and kept everyone fresh. It was a great effort by all the players. The guys who get less minutes all played great like Quinn Howard who had 8 pts 4 pts 4 assts and a Steal in just 14 minutes. I know a lot of the games that are left are away from the Kitchen but I saw a team who really got amped up following a close road loss and I think they can carry that into the coming games.
   GO YORK!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on January 21, 2006, 06:46:41 PM
Gallaudet BEAT Catholic, 65-62 for first win over Catholic since 1996!!!!!!!  ;D

PS- Stats will come up soon..
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 21, 2006, 06:51:46 PM
After seeing them Wednesday I can't say I'm overly surprised.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: unreallawns on January 21, 2006, 08:12:31 PM
Congrats to Salisbury who is now tied atop the conference.  Again, Salisbury is playing very well at home this year (7-0).  The CAC seems to be wide open.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 21, 2006, 08:37:25 PM
Congrats to the Bison for their first win over Catholic in 10 years.  They did a great job creating a hostile atmosphere for Catholic to come into, and Haney played a great game.

I particularly give them credit for the last 5 minutes of the game, where they played great defense and confused Catholic, who couldn't get their plays off.  They deserve all the credit in the world for that.

Gally did a great great job of taking the ball to the basket consistantly and getting to the line almost every trip down the trip.  Hey, if the officials are going to call it, keep doing it, and I don't blame them one bit.

Before that, well, lets just say I've never seen Cardinal fans so angry and frustrated at the way a game went.  There were so many bogus calls and non-calls I don't know where to begin and I don't feel like getting into it right now--plus.   I'll restrain myself to the three worst.

.  Catholic has two players at the scorer's table to sub in.  They hit 2 free throws.  Gally then takes the ball, inbounds it and runs their play.  No sub in from the officials, no buzzer, nothing.  Steve Howes walks over to the scorers table pointing at his players that were supposed to be subbed in and trying to get the official's attention.  They stop the game, and promptly call a TECH on him.  They said he walked out of the coach;s box!!!  Now, the rule is that if you walk onto the court, its a tech.  He didn't do that.  What is he supposed to do in that situation?  The table and the ref's screwed up, he had two guys he wanted to sub out--how is he supposed to do that without getting the ref's attention?  That was a BS technical foul.  Oh, mind you, they admitted they screwed up and should have subbed in, but...that gave Gally 2 points and posession. Wonderful.

Or how about Gally on a break away, with Kelly not far behind him, makes a play for the ball on the layup, actually knocks the ball loose---and gets called for an intentional foul.  Catholic was either leading or tied at that point, I turned to my wife and said there was absolutely no way we could win this game.  Catholic could half morphed into Wittenberg and they couldn't have won with calls like that.  It was a clean play--a foul, sure, but he went for the ball.

Sowden was held to 20 minutes,  Dwyer 24 because they both had tickey tack fouls called on them on the Gally drives.  Both of them sat for most of the first half, and then Dwyer was called for probably the worst call of the whole game...he rebounds the ball, has 3 Gally players trying to strip it for him.  Takes a step away from the basket, and is promptly called for an offensive foul.  Nobody even bothered flopping.  So that took him out of the game.  Oh, sorry, I said 3, but the end of the half, Satalin hits a shot on a great drive.  AFTER the shot falls and Gally is getting set to inbound, whistle blows--offensive foul (3rd on Satalin), offensive foul, no basket.  Huge momentum killer.  There is no way it was a charge.  There was contact in there, but he didn't initiate anything. 

Well I think I hit my three worst calls, so I'll stop now.  This was the worst crew in the league, anyway---I knew that going in so I shouldn't be surprised.  Lead ref is the old old one, his sidekick was flat top (he's the worst). 

But with all of that, Gally still played a great 5 minutes of basketball at the end of the game, and that's why the won.  So good for them, they've been waiting to beat Catholic for a long, long time.   There were still some plays Catholic could have made at the end that would have kept them from losing, despite what they had faced.  But I don't think this team is good enough to withstand so many minutes from 2nd or in some cases (Josh Mish) 3rd team players, shoot so poorly from the free throw line and beat a decent team.  Gally is certainly a decent team.  Catholic outshot, outrebounded them, but York just did that to Catholic, too.  And they both got the same thing out of it.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: sunny on January 21, 2006, 09:15:33 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on January 21, 2006, 08:37:25 PMOr how about Gally on a break away, with Kelly not far behind him, makes a play for the ball on the layup, actually knocks the ball loose---and gets called for an intentional foul.  

I have seen a lot more flagrant fouls called on plays on the ball this season.  The officials seem to be focused (was it a point of emphasis this year?) on being very strict on the "excessive contact" rule.  Unfortunately, it's a tougher judgment call in most cases than simply whether or not someone went for the ball.  Most of the flagrants I've seen this season were anything but - they were simply hard, but not dirty, fouls where a player went for the ball.

I understand it's being called to protect the players, but I think calling more of the shoving, jockeying, pushing, grabbing, elbowing, etc., that goes on under the basket would do more to protect the players than slapping the flagrant tag on fouls that are anything but.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on January 21, 2006, 10:36:18 PM
Matt.. Yeah I got to agree with you.. the referees aren't that great at the early first half, mid-way and down to the stretch toward the end of the game.. But one team got to win.. It's still a great and hard fought game for both of the teams despite some of the bad calls that is and/or isn't go toward to either sides. We got to live and move it on.. I think most of all, Gallaudet played a great last 5 minutes for BOTH halves. The reason I say both halves since in the first half, CUA was up by 6 in 4:59 remaining before Gally went on 10-4 run to tied it 31 apiece at halftime. It's Andrew Baker, not Josh Mish, who was 51% FT shooter during the season that went 5-10 tonight from the FT line.. Mish only had one attempt from the line and went 0-1.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on January 21, 2006, 10:49:18 PM
Lots of off the ball fouls called in the York/UMW game tonight in the first 3/4 of game. Most I've ever seen.
Close game. Hard fought & high scoring York victory.
At a little more than 4 minutes left, UMW's Lee turned it over just over half court when hit from behind and then flattened from the front. No call. York got a break away dunk. Then at a little over 2 minutes, York inbounded under UMW basket & broke a player long for another uncontested jam. They were both key baskets.
At about 1:20, UMW inbounded under its own basket. Perfect lob into the middle of the lane. But there wasn't one Eagle in the lane, only Spartans.
Except for Lee, Eagles struggled at line at the end of the game.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on January 21, 2006, 10:54:28 PM
From the Field House..

Gallaudet win over Catholic, 65-62, for 1st time since 1996!!!

Catholic Cardinals - 62
@ Gallaudet Bison - 65
Halftime: Tied 31 apiece

The Gallaudet Bison (9-7, 3-3) won over it's own neighborhood, the Catholic University Cardinals (12-4, 4-2) at home by the score of 65-62 in a hot and intense game. It was a close game all the way from the begin to the end of the game, there are several lead changes and tie for both sides. I would say that's what a true rivalry game is like.. I would draw that game almost similar compare to the Georgetown-Duke game at the MCI Center earlier today. There's a beautiful and thunderous dunks by Frank Jackson and Patrick Dwyer in back to back possessions in early first half that exciting and quiet the fans for both sides on the stand.

Catholic:
Satalin - 22 points (7-12 FG, 5-8 3FG, 3-5 FT)
Fumai - 8 points, 4 rebounds, 3 steals and 2 assists
Dwyer - 7 points, 4 rebounds and 2 steals
Sowden - 6 points (all in 2nd Half), 6 rebounds, 2 assists and 2 blocks in 20 minutes
Baker - 5 points (5-10 FT) and 7 rebounds

Gallaudet:
Haney, Jr. - 19 points (7-15 FG, 5-5 FT) and 6 rebounds in 35 minutes
Weedon - 13 points (3-4 3FG)
Johnson - 9 points
Jackson - 6 points and 5 rebounds
Mowl - 6 points, 5 assists and 3 steals in 36 minutes

Game Stats:
Field Goal: CUA - 44.2%, GU - 37.7%
3-Point FG: CUA - 46.7% (7-15), GU - 33.3% (4-12)
Free-Throw: CUA - 63% (17-27), GU - 70% (21-30)
Assists: CUA - 14, GU - 14
Rebounds: CUA - 11/24 = 35, GU - 13/18 = 31
Turnovers: CUA - 25, GU - 16
Highest Lead: CUA - 7 points (Twice), GU - 8 points
Tied: 8 times

Note: Gallaudet's first win against Catholic University Men's Basketball team since 1995-1996 season.

The Bison (9-7, 3-3) will host the #8 in the nation, York Spartans at the Field House. Meanwhile, on the other side, Catholic (12-4, 4-2) will host Salisbury Seagulls at the DuFour Center. Which Catholic is 7-0 at home, opposite to 4-4 on the road games.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: muchacho on January 21, 2006, 11:27:08 PM
Didn't catch the Catholic-Gallaudet game, but from the stats it looks like the game was decided by Catholic's 25 turnovers. Thats a lot of missed opportunities in a 40 minute game. From anybody who was there, what was the problem with Catholic turning the ball over.

And Matt...you mentioned that Sowden and Dwyer were in foul trouble and didn't play a lot of minutes, but Sowden only had 3 fouls and still played just 20 minutes. There is no way that he should be getting just 4 shots in a game with the type of talent that he has. I wonder if there is anything going on with him besides Howes just wanting to shake things up by having him come off the bench. A 1st team All CAC player who averaged 15.5 and 7, as well as leading the conference in blocks and field goal percentage last year should not be coming off of the bench, and shoud definitely get more minutes and touches than what he has been getting.
Maybe there is something going on with the team that I don't know about, but if the handling of Sowden right now is simply strategic, than I think Coach Howes is making a big mistake.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 22, 2006, 12:39:22 AM
No, to my knowledge there isn't anything going on.  In today's game, Shane picked up 2 quick fouls in just under 5 minutes.   He played 15 of the 20 minutes in the 2nd half---as much as any player of his caliber would.   CUA simply couldn't get him the ball--same as the York game.  Gally collapsed inside.

Against York, that resulted in Dwyer getting a lot of touches and points instead of Shane.  Today, though, Dwyer was in even worse foul trouble.  He picked up his 3rd on that bogus charge call in the first minute of the half and ended up playing the last 7 minutes (crunch time) with 4 fouls.  He wasn't aggressive, at all, but the way this game was called, he couldn't be.  The officials were calling offensive fouls on positioning so easily, I don't think there was really all that much Catholic could have done inside.  But believe me, they were trying, and Shane was in there.   The York game was just Shane not being selfish.  York was all over him, but that allowed Patrick to have single coverage and that's why he got 27 points.

As for Shane not starting, well, up until today, it was working.  It allows either Dwyer or Sowden to be on the floor--without one of those two, CUA starts to struggle on offense.  I don't know which one of those you bench, but Dwyer has been really playing great, so...everyone knows how good Shane is, personally I think it says a lot about it that's he accepting this role.  Same with Aaron Kelly.  From what I hear, this team is getting along very well and there aren't hard feelings about who is starting, etc.  With the guard situation the way it is, all of a sudden Catholic has the best backup PG in the conference in Waslienko.

Sunny, you're right on the hard foul calls this year, but this wasn't even that hard of a foul.  Not the hardest of this game, that's for sure.  This was just an overzealous ref who was making huge calls like that the whole game and had no clue.

Pride, yeah, somebody's gotta win.  As I say, the Gally fans deserve to be celebrating this one and I don't begrudge them that.  I can't wait to get them to DuFour with a different crew because I have a feeling its going to be a lot different result, but...that's why we play the games.  Upset city today anyway.  I mean, it isn't like I can blame this on officiating because Catholic had a chance at the end, but man, all these calls, extra shots (tech and intentional fouls), missed minutes, etc, add up. 

4 way tie for 1st in the CAC.  First time I remember that.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on January 22, 2006, 12:49:17 AM
Sorry I didn't post details earlier, I guess I got busy and forgot.

The Spartans received a career-high 32 points from Chad McGowan as he hit 12-for-23 from the floor and 7-for-8 from the free throw line. He added seven rebounds and two blocked shots in his 31 minutes of work. Kenny Fass was outstanding as he tallied 19 points while he also pulled down a team-high eight rebounds. He also had three big steals and a pair of assists as his defensive effort was superb. Brandon Bushey was the third Spartan in double figures with 14 points. Paddy Lee chipped in with a game-high eight assists while he also had six points, two rebounds and two steals. Quinn Howard came off the bench and played 14 valuable minutes as he tallied eight points, four rebounds, and four assists.
Mary Washington placed all five starters in double figures led by Jon Pierce as he had 30 points and nine rebounds. Pierce was 12-for-18 from the floor including 4-of-7 from distance. Mike Lee, Justin Baker and Kiernan Whitworth each tallied 17 points for the Eagles. Lee added four assists and three rebounds while Baker recorded six rebounds and six assists for UMW. Whitworth was 6-for-8 from the field including 4-of-5 from three. Matt Treacy was the fifth Eagle in double figures with 10 points. The Eagles received just two points of the bench as the starters combined to tally 91 points.
The two teams shot the ball extremely well from the floor for the game. Mary Washington converted 55.7% of their attempts from the field while York shot 52.1% from the floor. The Eagles were sizzling from downtown as they nailed 14-of-26 (53.8%) from three while York was a pedestrian 9-for-24 (37.5%) from distance. The Spartans out-rebounded their guests 38-31 while they also handed out 23 assists while they had just 13 turnovers. York attempted 10 more shots from the floor than UMW.

It was really a fun college basketball game and, as today has proven yet again, every game in this league is a hard, 40-minute battle. There aren't any teams in this league that can't beat another team on any given night. Today was two teams slugging it out.
Mary Washington shot the ball really well from the perimeter and Brian Singer, the Spartan center, was in foul trouble almost from the opening tap. After a so-so first half, McGowan exploded in the second half and ended up with a career day. Fass's defensive effort is one of the most overlooked part of the Spartan squad as he made life tough on a talented Mike Lee. He also guarded Justin Baker and did a nice job when he was on him.
The green and white will really need to be ready for another tough game on Wednesday at Gallaudet. The Bison always play the Spartans tough and I am sure Wednesday will be no different.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ronk on January 22, 2006, 09:38:18 PM
Kitchenrat,
       A friend of mine reffed the umw-ycp game yesterday(as well as both games last year) and I haven't seen a better ref than him in d3 in 40 years of watching this level. I'll chose his judgment and knowledge of what's a violation over yours.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: coach t on January 22, 2006, 10:33:42 PM
In the Gallaudet win over Catholic, I give credit to Point Guard Mowl for controlling the tempo of the game and playing hard nosed defense. The guard, in his first year, led the seniors in 36 minutes of play controlling the game while in past years, Gallaudet would blow leads.

It was a good game. There were bad calls on both sides of the ball so we can say that the refs were consistently bad.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on January 22, 2006, 11:36:26 PM
Quote from: ronk on January 22, 2006, 09:38:18 PM
I haven't seen a better ref than him in d3 in 40 years of watching this level.

That might be one of the funniest things I have ever read on this board.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 22, 2006, 11:38:47 PM
Yes, you're right.  He played very well and kept everyone around him in the right gameplan.

BUT...as I say, I don't begrudge them the win, but let's not pretend both teams were equally hurt by the way the game was called.  Not even close.  Every time Catholic would start to get momentum, they got killed by a bad call.  I don't recall Haney having to play with 4 fouls cause he got called for a ridiculous charge after rebounding the ball.  Nobody got nabbed for a phantom intentional foul.  And DiStephano at least earned his tech.  Let's see what happens when the lead ref doesn't belong in a DELETED.  (Having thought about it after posting, I decided well it might have been true, what I wrote was kind of mean.)

I'm moving on and Catholic better be moving on, cause Salisbury on Wed, even at home, will be no picnic.  Thoes guys can play!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Coach C on January 23, 2006, 01:32:22 AM
As I understand it, Coach Gamber junior had already been warned about standing on the sideline.  Plus, I have heard officials mention in the past that he is fairly active for an assistant coach.  The rule book is clear that only the head coach may stand.  I am not a friend of the zebras, but it usually takes a good bit to get warned and once you are warned you better sit on your hands and not open your mouth or you will lucky to make it though the game.

C
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on January 23, 2006, 05:17:10 AM
Again as a disclaimer, I'm not a guy who does a lot of bitching about the refs, and my team did win. But I have eyes and a good understanding of what having two feet planted in the same spot for 5 seconds is, but i'll leave it at that.
    As for Dean, the warning came in a previous game. He was not spoken to in this game. Plus in this instance he did not "stand up" he clapped his hands while hopping up in his seat. I was 5 feet away.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Akela15 on January 23, 2006, 04:50:32 PM
I know its only Monday afternoon but anyone have any predictions for this weeks weds. games?  York goes into Gallaudet where they just beat Catholic.  Always a tough place to play, and with a big game on Saturday at home against Salisbury, its important the Spartans dont look past them.  Any thoughts?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: coach t on January 23, 2006, 07:18:24 PM
In the two games last year, Gallaudet lost to York by 7 and by 4. Two close games. This year, Gallaudet is an even more decent team with the addition of two freshmen players, Mowl and Weedon.

A comment by Matt, a Catholic fan who saw the game on Saturday I believe had this to say about Mowl who is a freshman:

"Yes, you're right.  He played very well and kept everyone around him in the right gameplan."

I look for a packed fieldhouse at Gallaudet for the game this Wednesday. I do have to add that Gallaudet will need to step up once again if York is to be beaten.

Plus, I am not sure York can afford a third CAC loss so pressure is on them.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 23, 2006, 10:24:34 PM
That should be very interesting. I would also wonder if Gallaudet's campus can get up for York the way it gets up for Catholic.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on January 24, 2006, 06:30:03 AM
Wait and see.. You can (and are more than welcome to..) go to the game and find out if the campus can get up for York like it did against Catholic, if you would like to.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 24, 2006, 10:08:34 AM
Well, I doubt very much there will be an idiot dressed up like a nun and a guy with a stupid sign that said "Catechsim This," which doesn't make sense and wasn't even funny. 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on January 24, 2006, 12:21:59 PM
yeah, who would ever dress up in a custome to go to a d3 basketball game?
Or bring drums for that matter?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: muchacho on January 24, 2006, 12:28:57 PM
and yeah...what the hell is a custome. oh thats right...you went to mary washington when it was still a college and not a university.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on January 24, 2006, 02:14:05 PM
Yes, why yes I did. Back when MW a team to be reckoned with.
Nowadays?...Not so much.
There was hope at the beginning of the season but the eagles roster has been hurt too much for even Coach Wood to contend with.

We lost Jon Hurd and Josh Wilson before the season. Now A.J. Fitzgerald has been missing from the roseter since the begining of the semester.

Still I look forward to the games and rest of the season, as we should. Heck, I can't wait for 2/1 at CUA. should be rockin'.

Who knows...maybe we'll see a custome or two there
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on January 24, 2006, 04:57:52 PM
Ahh, the good old days.   :-X
I miss having to run across the gym at a timeout to tell people theirs drums (or staffs and flowing robes, in some cases) weren't welcome.

Big week in the CAC this week, but I guess every week is big, as ANY team can beat any other on a given night. Good luck to all...
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 24, 2006, 07:05:04 PM
Flowing robes aren't welcome? Pass me a copy of the dress code and we'll make sure to post it on the blog or something. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on January 24, 2006, 07:19:22 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 24, 2006, 07:05:04 PM
Flowing robes aren't welcome? Pass me a copy of the dress code and we'll make sure to post it on the blog or something. :)

Does this mean that at certain basketball venues Druids are prohibited from attending?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on January 24, 2006, 09:39:42 PM
The problem with the flowing robes is that they take up too much space in the friendly confines of Goolrick.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on January 24, 2006, 09:43:07 PM
I gotta do it...
"So I tell em I'm a pro jock, and who do they put me with? The Dali Lama - the seventh son of the Lama... Flowing robes... striking... So I say 'HEY... LAMMA... How's about something for the effort?'"

Sorry.
Oonga danoonga.
Good luck to all tomorrow.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on January 24, 2006, 10:59:46 PM
"So I tell em I'm a pro jock, and who do they put me with? The Dali Lama - the seventh son of the Lama... Flowing robes... striking... So I say 'HEY... LAMMA... How's about something for the effort?'"

Ah the lonely life of an SID, quoting one of the great movies of all time on a Tuesday night at 9:30 on a basketball chat room.

CLASSIC!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 24, 2006, 11:11:54 PM
Continuing my string of wonderful health (kidney stones last month), I just test posted for influenza.  I can't go to work until Monday (and I'm actually upset about this).

And I can't go to the GAME tomorrow night either! (the real problem).  But sorry, there is no way the flu is keeping me away from Marymount Saturday. 

Oh yeah, and my temperature right now is 102 degrees.  So that's a problem too.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on January 25, 2006, 09:32:30 AM
I like you, Betty.

Uh, it's Danny, sir.


Hey Guise, you can cram it with walnuts, ugly.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on January 25, 2006, 09:43:24 AM
Clint, You are almost as funny as Ronk :)

Rock and Roll
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: eaglemaniac on January 25, 2006, 10:10:53 AM
Are you for Goodness or Badness? Anyway, How bout a Fresca........
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on January 25, 2006, 10:37:32 AM
Now we got a good thread going....


Speaking of Kobe....

What's the highest single-game score dby an individual player in a CAC game?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 25, 2006, 11:00:53 AM
Not the answer to your question, but the highest single game scoring total in Catholic University history was 60 points by Charles Boylan in 1965.

Not sure what year the CAC was started...
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on January 25, 2006, 11:08:31 AM
CAC was formed in 1989
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on January 25, 2006, 02:25:43 PM
Mike Lee had 37 vs. York last year. That's the highest I can remember for UMW since 1996-97...

All together now...
"It's easy to grin when your ship has come in,
and you've got the stock market beat..."
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 25, 2006, 04:02:21 PM
Clint - have you officially flipped your lid?

Or has the air at the top of the Women's Top-25 finally gotten to you?

Either that or your "assistants" have got you tied up and drugged... thus the very strange posts recently :).
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Akela15 on January 25, 2006, 05:52:03 PM
Anyone going to any of the games tonight?  Will anyone be at the YCP/Gal game?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: gouchersid on January 25, 2006, 08:00:01 PM
No, nobody will be attending the YCP/GAL game now that flowing robes are prohibited. :o

The most points a Goucher player has ever scored in a CAC game is 38 by David Clark against Mary Wash back in 1992.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on January 25, 2006, 08:11:11 PM
Jeff Mann Hung 47 on Western Maryland in '92.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on January 25, 2006, 08:13:15 PM
And I think Andy O'brien had 41 in late 2003. I may as well join in here....

   This is some Dynamite Hack....
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on January 25, 2006, 08:39:18 PM
At the half from Field House, YCP 37 GAL 26. Singer has had a big half for the Sparts
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Akela15 on January 25, 2006, 09:07:48 PM
Listening to the York guys on the radio the officiating in the 2nd half seems to be going in the favor of the Bison already.  York has 6 team fouls with 13:00 minutes remaining.  Any comments?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: spartanfan on January 25, 2006, 09:26:08 PM
Are we talking an inter-conference game???  If we are don't mind if I chime in on this one...dropped 39 against Marymount, hehe
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: spartanfan on January 25, 2006, 09:28:47 PM
...also want to acknowledge Coach Gamber for being inducted into the York College Hall of Fame...congrats!!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: unreallawns on January 25, 2006, 09:36:52 PM
Does anyone know Andre Foreman's highest scoring conference game?  I'm sure it was pretty high considering he is the all-time leading scorer in D3 history.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: rmboy211 on January 25, 2006, 09:38:14 PM
York 68
Bison 58

1:21 left to play

Bison's coach just got a technical foul
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on January 25, 2006, 09:42:57 PM
Sounds like things got crazy in DC. I'll leave it to Guise to expound as he was there. YCP wins 73-60
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: rmboy211 on January 25, 2006, 09:43:24 PM
Final Score

73 -York
60- Bison

York finishes on a 14-2 run to finish the game.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: coach t on January 25, 2006, 10:05:16 PM
I understand that there may have been 4 technical fouls called against Gallaudet which turned the game around badly for Bison. I need to see the stat sheet to confirm what was said about all those technicals.

Gallaudet was up by 3 and York went on a 22-6 run (with help of technicals) to finish the game. Congratulations to York!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 25, 2006, 10:10:35 PM
Salisbury beat Catholic 53-51.

I wasn't at that the game.  I got a call from one of my good friends from out of town who hasn't been to a Catholic game since 2002.  We were supposed to go together but I have the flu.

Anyway, he called me screaming at the top of his lungs.  Apparently, with CUA down 2 and 11 seconds left Stolezhaler drove up for a layup, got fouled pretty hard and knocked down.  No call.  He was mad--well mad doesn't really begin to describe it.  He said if Mike Lonergan were around they would have had to call the Police.

Also said Catholic missed a ton of free throws, and he was going to stick to watching his favorite team (Syracuse) from now on because he can't handle the refs at this level.  Hehehe.

Anyone who was there confirm the bad non-call at the end?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dan Johnson on January 25, 2006, 10:10:57 PM
According to the radio broadcast, one of those t's was against York, three against Gallaudet.  It sounded like there was a double tech, at about four or five minutes to go, and then two against Gally in the last two minutes.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dan Johnson on January 25, 2006, 10:12:16 PM
Umm, Matt, I live in the Syracuse area and I am not too sure if your friend will get much relief in watching them!! :)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on January 25, 2006, 10:13:12 PM
The tech's were not the only factor in the turn around, but as i said it did sound like things began to get out of hand. I would like to hear from those who where there, because i was only able to listen on the radio, but it may have been another poorly called game.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 25, 2006, 11:02:47 PM
Quote from: Dan Johnson on January 25, 2006, 10:12:16 PM
Umm, Matt, I live in the Syracuse area and I am not too sure if your friend will get much relief in watching them!! :)

Oh, no, he wasn't saying that because the Orange (men--as far as I'm concerned, name change or not) are playing well---he just couldn't handle CAC officiating.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cugrad on January 25, 2006, 11:50:44 PM
Matt, the refs at Catholic were fine. As is the case in any game, they missed a few calls on both sides. Catholic got beat on their own court by a more athletic and determined team. Salisbury played tough defense and scored when they needed to. The Cards missed a lot of free throws and many open shots in the final minutes. They had plenty of chances to put the game away, but they didn't! No excuses tonight. It looks like they will have to battle to get one home game in the tournament. Everybody in this league knows that they can beat Catholic. This is something that we are not used to. Stolenthaler and Satelin played pretty well, but nobody else stepped up. On a positive note, the Cards were 12-5 during the year that they won the National Championship. However, that team had Hilleary, Morley, Mills, and Maloney. This team doesn't! Cards, good luck at Marymount!

Go Cards!!!   
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on January 26, 2006, 01:05:01 AM
Details from Gallaudet....

York was led by senior Brian Singer and sophomore Chad McGowan as they each tallied 16 points. Singer added five rebounds and five blocked shots to the win while McGowan had three boards and two blocked shots of his own. Singer went a very efficient 8-for-9 from the field. Brandon Bushey was the third Spartan in double figures with 14 points in addition to his four rebounds. Junior Brad Zerfing played a very solid game with eight points, six rebounds, three assists, a block, and a steal in 32 minutes. Senior Kenny Fass contributed nine points, five rebounds, and two assists.

Frank Jackson led the Bison with a double-double as he tallied 16 points and 12 rebounds. Jackson was 7-for-18 from the  floor including 0-for-3 from distance. Robert Haney added 18 points and eight rebounds while Jon Mowl chipped in with eight points, four rebounds, three steals, and two assists.

The Spartans finished the game shooting 56.6% from the floor while the Bison converted just 25-of-67 (37.3%) from the field. The Bison hammered the green and white on the glass as they held a significant 42-32 edge on the boards. Gallaudet also held a 17-5 edge in second chance points but the green and white held a sizable 50-26 bulge in points in the paint.

An interesting game. There was a double technical foul with 7:04 left and the Bison leading 53-51. The Spartans kept their composure in a very difficult environment and closed out the game with a 22-7 run to earn the win. The situation could have gotten out of hand but cooler heads prevailed and the officials did a good job of maintaining control.

I thought the lead official in tonight's game (sorry his name escapes me) did a great job of taking his time and getting things right. He didn't rush through things when it got hairy and he kept control of the game.

I am glad to get out of the Fieldhouse with a win.

A three-way tie for first through the first set of games. Wow, this next three and a half weeks should be fun.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: unreallawns on January 26, 2006, 07:28:37 AM
Congrats to Salisbury!  Another victory over a ranked team and they did it in D.C.  By far one of the toughest places to play.  I know its early but Steve Holmes has to be the front runner for Coach of the Year.  This victory makes saturday's game even bigger.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 26, 2006, 12:05:55 PM
Quote from: cugrad on January 25, 2006, 11:50:44 PM
Matt, the refs at Catholic were fine. As is the case in any game, they missed a few calls on both sides. Catholic got beat on their own court by a more athletic and determined team. Salisbury played tough defense and scored when they needed to. The Cards missed a lot of free throws and many open shots in the final minutes. They had plenty of chances to put the game away, but they didn't! No excuses tonight. It looks like they will have to battle to get one home game in the tournament. Everybody in this league knows that they can beat Catholic. This is something that we are not used to. Stolenthaler and Satelin played pretty well, but nobody else stepped up. On a positive note, the Cards were 12-5 during the year that they won the National Championship. However, that team had Hilleary, Morley, Mills, and Maloney. This team doesn't! Cards, good luck at Marymount!

Go Cards!!!   

Fair enough.  My friend was pretty enraged about the last sequence of the game.  I saw from the stat sheet they were 8-19 from the FT line.  That will do it!

Whoever gets hot is going to get the #1 seed...my money still has to be on York.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Chris Panter, GMC SID on January 26, 2006, 12:54:39 PM
I had to chime in since we're quoting the greatest movie of all time:
I got two for ya:

-"You know Danny, I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber....I didn't want to....I felt like I owed it to them."

-"Gambling is illegal at Bushwood sir, and I NEVER slice......*damn*!"

Well hope all is well in the land of the CAC
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: muchacho on January 26, 2006, 01:16:34 PM
Ouch...CUA loses 2 games in a row to teams they have expected to beat each time out for the last decade. 42% free throw shooting is absolutely awful. Any team doesn't deserve to win when they manage that. I give Coach Howes credit for having guts to change up the lineup, but I think its time to put Sowden back in as a starter. Shane had just 4 shots against SU. I don't get why you aren't trying to get him 10-15 shots a game, and opening it up for other players.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 26, 2006, 01:44:06 PM
Well, I still think they're TRYING to get him those shots.  They just aren't.  And if he's being doubled, now nobody else is stepping up.   I don't know that starting him is going to get him any more shots---he's still playing 'starter' minutes.

They absolutely have to beat Marymount at Marymount.  Unfortunately, they don't play well there, MMT gets way way up for Catholic.  And now MMT is going to believe they can beat them.

On the other hand, a win there would go a long way towards getting things back on track.  So c'mon Cardinals.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on January 26, 2006, 01:54:42 PM
Well, I hope that if, IF!!!, CUA gets a rebound win after these losses its at Marymount and not UMW 2/1.



One can hope.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: John Rusnak on January 26, 2006, 02:24:02 PM
Oh, this is the worst-looking hat I ever saw. What, when you buy a hat like this I bet you get a free bowl of soup, huh? Oh, it looks good on you though.

Oh, this your wife, huh? A lovely lady. Hey baby, you must've been something before electricity.

You're a lot of woman, you know that? Yeah, wanna make 14 dollars the hard way?

I hear this place is restricted, Wang, so don't tell 'em you're Jewish, okay?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: rollingthunda on January 26, 2006, 02:53:21 PM
"So, I'm on the first tee with him. I give him the driver. He hauls off and whacks one - big hitter, the Lama - long, into a ten-thousand foot crevasse, right at the base of this glacier. Do you know what the Lama says? Gunga galunga... gunga, gunga-galunga. So we finish the eighteenth and he's gonna stiff me. And I say, "Hey, Lama, hey, how about a little something, you know, for the effort, you know." And he says, "Oh, uh, there won't be any money, but when you die, on your deathbed, you will receive total consciousness." So I got that goin' for me, which is nice. "
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: unreallawns on January 26, 2006, 02:53:34 PM
Quote from: allfirst on January 26, 2006, 02:24:02 PM
Oh, this is the worst-looking hat I ever saw. What, when you buy a hat like this I bet you get a free bowl of soup, huh? Oh, it looks good on you though.

Oh, this your wife, huh? A lovely lady. Hey baby, you must've been something before electricity.

You're a lot of woman, you know that? Yeah, wanna make 14 dollars the hard way?

I hear this place is restricted, Wang, so don't tell 'em you're Jewish, okay?
Rodney Dangerfield, one of the greatest of all times!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: unreallawns on January 26, 2006, 02:58:35 PM
You're rather attractive for a beautiful girl with a great body.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on January 26, 2006, 03:28:27 PM
Let's not forget the irreplacable Spalding...

"50 bucks the Smails kid picks his nose."


"FARTS. DOUBLE FARTS!"

"Are you going to eat your fat?"

And of course, "DOOTY!!!!"

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on January 26, 2006, 03:33:31 PM
I'm hoping these postings aren't showing the complete value of a CAC education  :D
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 26, 2006, 04:10:57 PM
Naw, just a Mary Washington one.

;D
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on January 26, 2006, 04:22:30 PM
"You'll get nothing and like it."
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 26, 2006, 04:27:58 PM
Quotes... nothing but quotes!!!

But that is because "you can't handle the truth!" I would go on, but I wouldn't want to get too fired up.

"I do have a test today, that wasn't bullsh**. It's on European Socialism. I mean, really, what's the point? I'm not European. I don't plan on being European. So, who gives a crap if they're Socialists? They could be fascist anarchists, it still wouldn't change the fact that I don't own a car."

Ah... I am starting to look like a genious in this region and conference. I have several witnesses who heard me sayat the BEGINNING of the season Salisbury was my sleeper team in this region! They are certainly playing that role well!

As for the YCP/GAL game... can someone fill us in on what got "hairy" and what resulted in a double-tech!

I hope to see GAL at the SRC this weekend (should surgery may force be to miss my first game at GOU since I started announcing in '95). I am sure GOU will be ready to play, but my money is on GAL right now.

The 1961 Ferrari, two-fifty GT California. Less than a hundred were made. My father spent three years restoring this car. It is his love, it is his passion . . .
It is his fault he didn't lock the garage."

Also, remember something about refs. I believe the ones we see are not dedicated to the CAC primarily. I believe those refs are in the region in general. Could someone clarify that for me (someone who really knows).
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on January 26, 2006, 04:28:07 PM
"correct me if i'm wrong, if i kill all the golfers they'll lock me up and throw away the key."

"Nobody tells a navy man when he's had too much to drink, cause only a navy man knows when he's had too much to drink."

"That man was Mitch Cumstien"

"I enjoy skinny skiing, going to bullfights on acid..."


This is way too much fun. Saturday is going to be a big test for YCP. I know they will be fired up for "Goodbye to Wolf Gym" day and to try and avenge the earlier loss. SU seem to have a knack for knocking off big teams this year. GO SPATS.


"Could You loufa my stretchmarks?"
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 26, 2006, 04:30:28 PM
"I love scotch. Scotchy, scotch, scotch. Here it goes down, down into my belly... "
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: smcmsid on January 26, 2006, 05:02:14 PM
"What we've got here is failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach, so you get what we had here last week which is the way he wants it. Well, he gets it. And I don't like it any more than you men."

What happened to the basketball topics? Good going Clint...its amazing what can get started with very little effort  :o  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on January 26, 2006, 05:37:22 PM
If we're doing Anchorman now:


"WHAMMY!"
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on January 27, 2006, 12:00:28 AM
Since most of us were complaining on how awful and bad the CAC referees are right now than in the past... It also applied to those bad officials in YCP-Gally game last night, which they called on FOUR Technical's in total. Here's interesting article that came out on today's edition in USA Today newspaper. It stated that the Technical Foul calls gone wild in recent for men's college basketball. I think everybody would like that article that included Bobby "The General" Knight and his flyin' chair, Lefty Driscoll, photo of Gary Williams, Jimmy Valvano, Al McGuire aka the Technical foul patron saint and most recent embarrassment incident to University of Houston coach, Tom Penders. Tom Penders did got T for fading on the court and have to be carried out on a stretcher off the court, sucking oxygen. Which raises the question: Can you get a technical for dying?


Here's the link below for you to click on...
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/mensbasketball/2006-01-25-technical-fouls_x.htm

We can bring back the basketball debate on the board relate to this article which most of us complained, criticized or tell how awful the officials is all over the season.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: unreallawns on January 27, 2006, 07:48:15 AM
CAC officials have been consistently terrible over the years.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on January 27, 2006, 08:20:38 AM
Okay first let me clarify... I didn't GO to UMW... I just work here. I could never get in!!!

And secondly, thank you for the wonderful quotes. I think it took all our minds off the crazy first half of league play.

And to you, Mr. McCoy, regarding young Spalding Smails:
"Double or nothing he eats it."
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on January 27, 2006, 09:01:37 AM
Wesley College to Join Capital Athletic Conference


DOVER, De. - Wesley College athletic teams will join the Capital Athletic Conference for the 2007-08 academic year, according to Dr. Scott D. Miller, President of the College. The announcement was made Thursday night at a press conference in Carpenter Hall at the College. Wesley teams will compete in seven of the CAC's men's sports and nine women's sports beginning in the 2007-08 season against traditional members Salisbury (MD) University, Gallaudet (DC) University, University of Mary Washington (VA) , Marymount (VA) University, St. Mary's College of Maryland, and York College of Pennsylvania. In addition to Wesley, Villa Julie College in Baltimore and Hood College in Frederick, Maryland, will also be joining the conference. Goucher (MD) and Catholic (DC) University of America will be joining a newly formed, yet-to-be-named eight-member athletic conference that will begin competition in 2007. "The Capital Athletic Conference is one of the top NCAA Division III conferences in the country," Dr. Miller said. "The members have impeccable academic reputations. The CAC is an established, well-respected conference that has produced many national champions. Members are first and foremost impressive academic institutions. Our teams will have the opportunity to play in a very competitive conference with institutions that are similar to us academically, athletically and within our geographic region." The Wolverines have been members of the Pennsylvania Athletic Conference (PAC) since 1998 in all sports except football. The gridders compete in the Atlantic Central Football Conference, a conference that includes Salisbury, Frostburg (MD) State, State University of New York, Brockport, Buffalo State, and Newport News. Dr. Miller indicated that with the growth in size and stature of Wesley in recent years, the College has been exploring several options. The College has been cited in a number of national publications for academic quality, growth and resource acquisition. For the past two years, Wesley has been recognized as a top tier Northern Comprehensive College by U.S. News and World Report. Enrollment has increased from 1,052 to 2,400 during the past eight years and fund raising topped $62 million. Dr. Miller said that Mike Drass, Executive Director of Intercollegiate Sports and Recreation, chaired the process of recommending the most appropriate fit for the Wesley program. He added that discussions with the CAC have been ongoing for approximately three years. ?The move to the Capital Athletic Conference is a further demonstration of our commitment to our student-athletes,? Drass said. ?The CAC is one of the top conferences in the country, yet member institutions have a tradition of a high level of competitiveness with outstanding students. They (the CAC) place a high priority on the well-being of the student-athlete?in scheduling and in adhering to strict codes of sportsmanship. Likewise, the College has a heavy concentration of alumni and families of current students in the Capital Athletic Conference region which should result in a stronger following for our program. CAC commissioner Richard C. Cook said Wesley was a good fit for the conference. "We're delighted that Wesley has accepted our offer to join the conference," Cook said. "Wesley was ideally located, with a well-respected and recognized program that is growing."


Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Coach C on January 27, 2006, 09:20:35 AM
This one has been rumored for months and makes sense geographically.  My guess is that the PAC may lose 1-2 more members in the coming months.

C
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on January 27, 2006, 09:25:48 AM
C:

I'd heard that Wesley also wanted to join the MAC. Speaking of the latter, does anyone have definitive information on its future composition? A good many rumors are circulating, but nothing concrete thus far.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: rollingthunda on January 27, 2006, 11:25:14 AM
The arsonist had oddly shaped feet.

The human torch was denied a bank loan.

Unique New York.  Unique New York.

How now brown cow.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on January 27, 2006, 12:27:09 PM
BOLD or not so bold prediction for CAC action...

Feb 28 meeting of YCP coming into Goolrick will decide the winner of the Reg. Season CAC Champ......

Other bold predictions?
How about Saturday's games?

I have UMW beating St Mary's
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: x33ycp on January 27, 2006, 12:30:10 PM
First of all, I was not at the game at Gally, but from everybody I talked to that was at the game, all Gally's techs were more than warranted. It seemed everytime we went down there to play, someone from their team (coach or player) got a tech.

SpartanFan you going to the alumni game tomorrow? You better be!!  Is AOB gonna be there???
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 27, 2006, 12:42:46 PM
Quote from: mwgoonie on January 27, 2006, 12:27:09 PM
BOLD or not so bold prediction for CAC action...

Feb 28 meeting of YCP coming into Goolrick will decide the winner of the Reg. Season CAC Champ......

Why are you playing a game the day after Selection Monday? :)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on January 27, 2006, 02:14:55 PM
well, my "bold" prediction turned out to be a big "mwgoonie cannot proofread any of his comments".

Feb 18th sounds like a much better date and is actually the date appearing on the schedule.

ha. i gotta get out of this cell they call an office.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on January 27, 2006, 02:26:45 PM
also, lookign ahead to the rest of the schedules for the CAC:

Gal: 6 of 8 on the road
YCP: 5 of 8 on the road

CUA/Sal: 4 of 7 on road

SMC/MT?UMW: 4 of 7 at home

GOU: 5 of 8 at home.

wonder how that plays out, if at all in the way things shake up/down.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: John Rusnak on January 27, 2006, 04:37:58 PM
If we're going to quote, then we must quote the greatest movie of all time...

The public is out there throwing darts at a board, sport. I don't throw darts.  I only bet sure things. Read Sun Tzu's "The Art of War." 'every battle is won before it is ever fought.'

The most valuable commodity I know of is information.  Wouldn't you agree?

Money never sleeps, pal.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on January 27, 2006, 08:27:18 PM
Is there any lines for CAC games tomorrow? any point spread?    ???
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: spartanfan on January 27, 2006, 08:55:20 PM
x33ycp,

I wish I could make it!!!  I moved to Pensacola, FL for my job, and haven't been able to get away from work.  Unfortunately it has me tied down this weekend.  But I will definitely miss the 3am poker game!!!  I better get some good stories from Murph's!!!!!!  Hit me up on my cell tomorrow night if u still have it.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: manofgor24 on January 27, 2006, 09:29:06 PM
York vs. Salisbury

Will the Spartans avenge an early season loss or will the Seagulls show why the belong a top the conference.

Gonna be a great game either way with all of the festivities taking place at Wolf.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: basketballguru on January 28, 2006, 09:44:58 AM
Todays lines

CUA @ Marymount +3
GAL @ Goucher +5
SMC @ UMW -6.5
SAL @ YCP -4
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on January 28, 2006, 02:46:38 PM
At the half at York....

York 45-Salisbury 27

Brian Singer leads York with 13 points while Segun Odumeru has nine to pace the Gulls.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on January 28, 2006, 03:51:58 PM
Final from York....

York 96-Salisbury 62

Four Spartans reach double figures led by Brandon Bushey with 15. Bushey moves into fifth place on the all-time scoring list for YCP.

Ray Williams had 14 to lead SAL.

I'll post more later.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: rmboy211 on January 28, 2006, 04:11:16 PM
Now who said that the Sea Gulls belonged at the top of the conference. They belong on the shore eating the leftovers that people leave at the beach. York played great, while the Sea Gulls just flew around doing nothing.

Go York!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Akela15 on January 28, 2006, 05:12:15 PM
Sounds like York handled Salisbury today.  Anyone there with information on the game??
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on January 28, 2006, 06:29:35 PM
Box Score from the YCP/SAL game:

http://www.ycp.edu/sports/mens_basketball/2005/YCPMBB18.HTM
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: manofgor24 on January 28, 2006, 07:28:11 PM
Excellent post rmboy..........really meaningful stuff you got there.  York played well, Salisbury played bad.  52% from the floor vs. 32% will usually determine the game.  York was clicking on all cylinders today.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on January 28, 2006, 07:39:45 PM
Details from York...

Brandon Bushey paced a very balanced attack with 15 points while he also had five assists and three rebounds. Bushey moved into fifth place on the Spartans' all-time scoring list as he now has 1,562 career points. He passed former Spartan great Jeff Mann who had accumulated 1,559 points. Bushey was an effective 7-for-10 from the field including 1-for-3 from distance. Senior center Brian Singer played another balanced game with 13 points and a game-high 11 rebounds. Singer was 3-for-8 from the floor but nailed 7-for-8 from the charity stripe. Senior Kenny Fass played another one of his patented games with 13 points, six rebounds, three assists, and two steals in 21 minutes of work. Sophomore Chad McGowan was the fourth Spartan in double figures with 10 points while he also had five rebounds and two blocked shots.

Salisbury received 14 points from Ray Williams but the standout guard had to work. Williams was 3-for-11 from the floor including 1-for-5 from three. He did convert 7-for-8 from the free throw line while he also had four rebounds, an assist, and seven turnovers. Derrick Washington chipped in with 13 points, four assists, and two rebounds for the Gulls. Rico Stewart was the third Sea Gull to reach double figures with 10 points while he pulled down a team-high eight rebounds. Segun Odumeru added nine points but was held scoreless in the second half.

The Spartans finished the game shooting 52.9% from the floor including 56.3% from three. The Sea Gulls struggled from the field as they converted just 29.3% from the field while they also went a cool 4-for-16 (25%) from three. Salisbury did sizzle from the charity stripe as they went 24-for-27 (88.9%) from the line while York also shot well from the line, making 13-of-15 for a shooting percentage of 86.9%.

York, after being handled on the boards in the win over Gallaudet, out-rebounded Salisbury 48-31 which led to 19 second-chance points for the green and white. York forced 18 Salisbury turnovers which led to 31 Spartan points. York did a great job of taking care of the ball as they had 14 turnovers while they handed out 26 assists on their 37 field goals.

The Spartans played well on the "Farewell to Wolf Gym" day in York. The Spartans begin a key three-game road trip on Wednesday at Goucher. York then travels to Marymount next Saturday followed by a make-up game at Hood a week from Monday.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 28, 2006, 09:28:59 PM
Catholic defeated Marymount, 60-57 in Arlington. 

Not a real pretty basketball game, but last year CUA lost at Marymount so they'll gladly take the win.  The Saints had jumped out to a 41-34 lead and looked like they were about to put the game away, but Catholic clawed back.   Fouls played a big role in this game.  Marymount was very, very physical--refs didn't call everything that was going on out there (they couldn't--they did a good job, much better than the Gally game anyway) but CUA still got to the line 31 times.

On the flip side, Shane Sowden again picked up 2 quick fouls and played rather sparingly in the 2nd half because he fouled out in just 17 minutes.  Wheeler and Baker got most of his playing time, I can't say that either had their best day---Spirenberg did a pretty good job. 

Satalin was CUA's leading scorer, but he was 4-16.  You get the picture.  Papageorge had a good game.  Stolzenthaler struggled with the aggressive Marymount defense.

What is absolutely ridiculous is the Marymount table.  D-Mac's rant early in the season not-withstanding, somebody has to do something about the way the game is run there.  Its embarassing.  Constant clock problems, lack of knowledge on the rules, etc--they were routinely resetting the shot clock on jump balls.  The real kicker, because it actually affected the game, was with 18.9 seconds left Catholic inbounded the ball.  Marymount was trying desperately for a steal and it was a tough inbounds play.  They ran it beautifully, and got it into the right guy's hands, and then a freaking horn went off for no reason.  The officials stop play, run over, talk about it for 5 minutes.  Probably 2-4 seconds had run off the clock, but most important Catholic had inbounded the ball cleanly.

Well the officials decide to BRING THE CLOCK BACK to 18.9 seconds and make Catholic inbound it again at midcourt like nothing had happened. It was ridiculous--they punished Catholic because the table screwed up.  Of course, the second time around, Catholic had a terrible time trying to inbound the ball, had to burn a time out, and then nearly turned it over (ball got knocked loose all the way back to the Marymount basket, but CUA retained posession on a jump ball).  At the very least, the seconds that ran off the clock following the original inbounds should not have been put back on!!!!  It was a HUGE favor to Marymount, #1, that play stopped in the first place, and #2, that they put time back on the clock.

It could have cost Catholic the game, and then you would have really seen me steamed.  As it was, it was bush league.  Its ALWAYS something at the table, every year, and it NEVER is something that benefits the visiting team.  NEVER.  I've been going to that place 7 years.  They always find new and imaginative ways to screw up.

So, sorry D-Mac for the rant, but you can't just give a pass for that sort of thing because it affects the outcome of the game and its a consistent problem. 

Anyway, obviously Catholic is going to have to play better against Mary Washington if they're going to beat them.  They seem to be becoming one of those teams that plays up or down to their opponents, so...

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: unreallawns on January 28, 2006, 09:39:57 PM
Salisbury still deserves to be mentioned as on of the top teams in the conference.  They should finish top four.  Plus it was an emotional game at York.  Kind of like when the redskins got waxed at Giant stadium after there owner died.  There aren't too many teams who would have won that game.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: rmboy211 on January 29, 2006, 02:21:11 AM
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Quote from: manofgor24 on January 28, 2006, 07:28:11 PM
Excellent post rmboy..........really meaningful stuff you got there. York played well, Salisbury played bad. 52% from the floor vs. 32% will usually determine the game. York was clicking on all cylinders today.

Quote from: unreallawns on January 28, 2006, 09:39:57 PM
Salisbury still deserves to be mentioned as on of the top teams in the conference. They should finish top four. Plus it was an emotional game at York. Kind of like when the redskins got waxed at Giant stadium after there owner died. There aren't too many teams who would have won that game.

Yes, it was meaningful stuff that I wrote because I have to admit, Salisbury just got lucky the first game that they played against York. Im not taking anything away from the season that you guys are having as it has been a nice turn-around. Another thing is that the emotion aspect did help alittle, but as one famous person "if there is a will, there is a way" So if Salisbury came to play they would have done better, but they didnt show up to the game and York helped them not come to the game.

Good job by York and we are on the same pace as last years Final Four team. Good luck the rest of the way
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: basketballguru on January 29, 2006, 02:39:59 AM
Todays lines

CUA @ Marymount +3  A push on the road for CUA
GAL @ Goucher +5  Galley covers on the road
SMC @ UMW -6.5   UMW covers @ home
SAL @ YCP -4   York wins big @ home, Sal U. is prob a little overrated.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: unreallawns on January 29, 2006, 02:38:08 PM

1. YCP - Just 2 conference losses in '04-05. Lost only 1 contributing senior if I remember correctly.
2. CUA - Lost no starters. Aaron Kelly returns after last years season ending injury. He and a group of quality freshman provide Catholic depth that they lacked at guard last season.
3. UMW - Mike Lee and co. return...they can put up points in a hurry but need to get tougher as a team.
4.  SMC - Improved last year with a young team and small roster.
5.  MU - Still just a middle of the road team.
6. Goucher - Lost their 2 top players.
7. SAL -
8. GAL - Haney and Jackson still at Gallaudent I presume, but still lack the supporting cast to turn them into a competitive team.

First of all I wouldn't necessarily say Salisbury is overrated since no one had them finishing in the top five and second of all, Salisbury is undefeated at home where not only did they beat York, but they beat Virginia Weslyan who has won 15 in a row and has a tougher conference this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: rmboy211 on January 29, 2006, 07:43:43 PM
The lines are out for the conference champion for the CAC. If anyone is interested they can contact your local bookie and you can place bets with them.

3-2                         York
7-1                         Mary Washington
9-1                         Gallaudet
10-1                       Catholic
13-1                       Salisbury
14-1                       St. Mary's
17-1                       Marymount
1000000000000-1 Goucher
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 29, 2006, 09:13:43 PM
How did Galluadet get ahead of Catholic exactly???

Get me a bookie, I'll take those odds.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: rmboy211 on January 29, 2006, 09:21:43 PM
He factored in some components that arent release to the public and then just shooting on some luck to fall into place.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CAC Basketball on January 29, 2006, 10:58:57 PM
New member here and i went to the game on saturday at york.  The place was jumping for the opening tip to the final whistle.  Give credit to the york fans for really making it the toughest place to play in the conference.  In regards to an early post by rmboy11 salisbury plays very well at home and here never in this game.  The crowd took them out of it before it even started.  the goodbye chanted started with 10 minutes to go.  RMBoy did u see the game or just going by facts like you read the box score.  Anyway, if the CAC's go through York, Mary Washington is the only team that can run with them in that building.  I have not seen Catholic yet but that enviroment is tough to play in.  Salisbury beat York by 2 and then York slapped them around for 40 minutes.  It shows you why they are number 9 in the country.  Another thing is that if you look at last year, York is hitting their stride at the same time they did last year.  Yesterday was by far the most complete game of the year.  York showed why they will win out with one tough road game left at Mary Washington. 
Thanks,  Look foward to what you all think.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 29, 2006, 11:48:52 PM
Quote from: CAC Basketball on January 29, 2006, 10:58:57 PM
New member here and i went to the game on saturday at york. 

Not so new. Actually an old member returning.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 30, 2006, 12:25:47 AM
Quote from: CAC Basketball on January 29, 2006, 10:58:57 PM
New member here and i went to the game on saturday at york.  The place was jumping for the opening tip to the final whistle.  Give credit to the york fans for really making it the toughest place to play in the conference.  In regards to an early post by rmboy11 salisbury plays very well at home and here never in this game.  The crowd took them out of it before it even started.  the goodbye chanted started with 10 minutes to go.  RMBoy did u see the game or just going by facts like you read the box score.  Anyway, if the CAC's go through York, Mary Washington is the only team that can run with them in that building.  I have not seen Catholic yet but that enviroment is tough to play in.  Salisbury beat York by 2 and then York slapped them around for 40 minutes.  It shows you why they are number 9 in the country.  Another thing is that if you look at last year, York is hitting their stride at the same time they did last year.  Yesterday was by far the most complete game of the year.  York showed why they will win out with one tough road game left at Mary Washington. 
Thanks,  Look foward to what you all think.

I think you're wrong about Mary Washington being "the only team that can run with them in that building."  Ask the York people what they think.   I'm willing bet to they think Catholic can run with them and/or beat them.  I'm not saying they think they WILL beat them, just that they've got a shot.

Catholic actually matches up pretty well against York--better than most in the CAC.  Catholic has struggled recently against very quick, athletic teams that like to play rough.  York isn't that kind of team.  Gally, Salisbury and Marymount are.  Talent-wise, Catholic is better than all those three but if they can get Catholic to slow down and play their kind of half court game, Catholic struggles.

Just like York, Catholic likes to play up-tempo.  They're at their best when the game is moving along.  In the first Catholic-York matchup this year, Catholic came out of the box in a track meet and built up a 10 minute lead on York in a flash.  York was able to slow the game down, get Catholic out of transition and they started to struggle.  Catholic ended up beating York by picking up the pace again.

One of the reasons why is that Catholic has the depth to run--most teams don't.  There's a difference between being quick and athletic and playing up-tempo.  Gally, Salisbury, etc have quick players, but they don't play an up-tempo up and down the court type of game.  Catholic and York do, naturally.

Now, there is no denying the home court advantage York has, its huge.  But its not unique.  Catholic just beat Marymount by 2 at Marymount---at home, they just about doubled them up and beat them by 40-odd points.  But two really good teams generally don't have those kinds of games--CUA had a nice advantage when York played there, but York was smart and mature enough to withstand it and have a shot to win anyway. Catholic is the same kind of team.

I'm not predicting anything, I'm not claiming Catholic is going to go up there and beat York, at least the first time, but I am saying that I'd be surprised if they didn't play them very, very tough.  And I don't understand how you can dismiss the team that actually beat them with a similar style.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on January 30, 2006, 03:31:16 AM
"The Bison scored 51 points in 2nd half to win their 10th game of the season."
Gallaudet 78
@Goucher 66
Halftime - GU Bison led 27-26

The victory mark their first win ever at Goucher's 15 years old, SRC Arena after 0-18 in previous 18 games after some successful wins at old Gym before the SRC exist. Gallaudet got its first conference series sweep in their favor for pretty awhile. The Bison finally got their double digit wins since probably more than 10 years ago.

Gallaudet open up the game with 11-0 run right after first 6 minutes. Goucher finally score on free throw at 13:22 remaining. At the halftime score was in favor of Gallaudet up by one, 27-26. Gallaudet afterward didn't look behind and begin to building up the confident lead in second half, most range at the above 14 points to the largest lead of the game, 21 points twice before settled in for 12-points win. Not only Robert Haney, Jr. had an all-around performance but it's total team efforts that came away with first ever win at SRC Arena. Gallaudet shot 45% FG for whole game while 57% FG in second half alone.

Gallaudet:
Haney, Jr. - 25 points, 15 rebounds, 2 assists, 1 block, 1 steal in 36 minutes
Mowl - 13 points, 5 assists in 37 minutes
Weedon - 13 points
DaSilva - 5 steals along with 8 points
Jackson - 10 rebounds

Goucher:
Garritt - 27 points (8-21 FG, 3-11 3FG, 8-8 FT), 7 rebounds in 39 minutes
Russo - 25 points (6-17 FG, 4-12 3FG, 9-10 FT), 5 rebounds in 40 minutes
Ajose - 5 assists
Sweeney - 6 rebounds
Team FT - 20-25 (80%)

Gallaudet Bison (10-8, 4-4) will go on non-conference game at Christendom College on monday, January 30th.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on January 30, 2006, 06:17:06 AM
I hate that i had to be out of town this weekend, because i would have loved to see the games on Saturday. It is always big to get a win over a team who you have already lost to so it would have been big even if it wasn't a special day in the kitchen.
    As for Catholic or UMW and the race for first place, it is never easy and as we have seen this season anyone can win at any time so i'm not going to say what "could" or "will" happen. I hope to see the Sparts carry the spark they got from the win over SSU in to the upcoming road games at Goucher, Marymount and Hood. 4 games in 8 days is only made harder when three of them are on the road, but with the fourth being a home tilt vs CUA that puts more at stake. I hope that game will be York's chance to avenge their only other loss of the season at that point, but no one is looking past the other teams on the schedule. 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: John Rusnak on January 30, 2006, 09:09:05 AM
As for the odds, there are two ways to look at it...

First, if you go off of the real odds/probability that somebody wins the conference, I'd say York is probably 2-1, Catholic is closer to 4-1/5-1, and Mary Wash is probably somewhere similar.

If you are looking at betting odds, York would probably be more 2-3 and Catholci would probably be closer to 2-1, only because they have enough supporters that would bet on them to move the line.  I have a feeling that Mary Wash and Salisbury would have enough supporters to temper their odds as well.

It doesn't sound like York will be beaten this year, however if they are going to start playing in their new facility, anything is possible since nobody is fully familiar with it yet...or have they been practicing in there already?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on January 30, 2006, 09:35:02 AM
The Spartans will be at Wolf Gym the remainder of this season. The Grumbacher Center will not be ready until after the season is complete.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on January 30, 2006, 11:20:55 PM
Gallaudet Bison - 81
@ Christendom - 56

Halftime: GU 41-25

The Bison (11-8, 4-4) will travel to Salisbury to take on the Seagulls this wednesday evening at Maggs Center for other exciting CAC match up. Last game which both teams meet at the Field House which end up with Robert Haney, Jr.'s winning three point shot at the buzzer to seal the 63-60 victory for the Bison in front of home crowd.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Akela15 on February 01, 2006, 02:38:25 AM
Damn Grumbacher Center is taking forever to open up.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on February 01, 2006, 09:08:27 AM
Ok, the day is upon us...or not. Anyways, big game tonight. Should be a rockin' crowd -filled old faces and antics. Hoping the spirited crowd can really work both teams into a lather (in an extremely hetero way). Should be a dog fight, or should i say "bird fight".

I'd really like to see Mike Lee return to form tonight.
Seems to me like the team that gets the advantage in the 'bounds department should pull out the victory in this contest.

And, I was hoping that in our "recap" posts, we could refrain from refering the the refs. Ok, we get it, the refs aren't great. factor that into the game.

Go Eagles!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on February 01, 2006, 09:29:13 AM
I never thought i would see the day when i would say this but here I go.... GO CATHOLIC!!!

York has to hold serve against a Goucher team that wont give up against anyone. they can't be looking past the gophers just cause of the record. GO SPARTS!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 01, 2006, 09:44:51 AM
Quote from: mwgoonie on February 01, 2006, 09:08:27 AM
Ok, the day is upon us...or not. Anyways, big game tonight. Should be a rockin' crowd -filled old faces and antics. Hoping the spirited crowd can really work both teams into a lather (in an extremely hetero way). Should be a dog fight, or should i say "bird fight".

I'd really like to see Mike Lee return to form tonight.
Seems to me like the team that gets the advantage in the 'bounds department should pull out the victory in this contest.

And, I was hoping that in our "recap" posts, we could refrain from refering the the refs. Ok, we get it, the refs aren't great. factor that into the game.

Go Eagles!

I hope they'll be a good crowd, too.  I don't think it will approach the crowd for the York game, too.  The Mary Wash people always seemed to consider Catholic a rival more than the other way around.

Catholic is 2nd in the CAC in rebounding margin, Mary Wash is 6th, so I hope that is the deciding factor! One thing that scares me is that Mary Wash is a very good free throw shooting team.  Catholic actually is 3rd statistically, but...its been a  problem--and if you take out Satalin...

Catholic needs to play great defense, it will be interesting to see the way they cover Baker.  I doubt very much they'll let him go off again.  They need to work the ball inside--they're better than Mary Wash in there, but they've got to get the ball to Sowden and Dwyer or it doesn't do it any good.

As for the refs--if they play a role in the game, they should get mentioned.  Hopefully they won't.  Most of the time this year, they haven't.  A couple of games have been terrible.  'Bigger' games seem to get better crews, so hopefully that's the case tonight.

Big game especially for Catholic---I certainly don't want them to have to be on the road in the playoffs for more than 1 game... 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on February 01, 2006, 10:00:38 AM
Yeah, I guess in the traditional sense CUA isn't UMW's rival. However, the 2000's has featured greats games between the two teams everytime they meet. 2001 was Catholics year but since then you could say its been pretty even (winning on each others courts, esp in the tourney, etc.) As for fans....well, let's just say we miss Morley and Dickman.....

The rebound comment specifically meant that with, hopefully, a high energy game there will be more missed shots leading to more rebound opportunities. It could go the other way, where teams hit a goof FG% and the few rebound chances have more of an impact (getting lowpost game going, tempo, change of possesions, etc.)

Also, it'd be great to see CUA get that 4 loss in the CAC.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: basketballguru on February 01, 2006, 11:29:32 AM
Todays lines

UMW @ CUA -1
GAL   @ SAL -5.5
YCP   @ GOU +13
MU    @ SMC -3


Last game lines and results

CUA 60 @ Marymount (+3) 57
GAL 78 @ Goucher 66 (+5)
SMC 72 @ UMW 81 (-6.5)
SAL 62 @ YCP 96 (-4)

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: John Rusnak on February 01, 2006, 11:29:55 AM
Rebounding margin is one of the most overblow, over-looked at statistics ever.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: John Rusnak on February 01, 2006, 11:31:18 AM
I'll take the underdog in all four games...
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on February 01, 2006, 11:50:17 AM
Then what is the best statistic to look at?

I say which ever team has the most heart wins.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: x33ycp on February 01, 2006, 12:08:23 PM
Looking at the remaining schedule...I really think YCP is looking good for the #1 seed. They need to take care of business this week, and then get back at Catholic at home next week (will be a fun night at Wolf to say the least). I agree with Kitchenrat in that it would be huge if CUA could beat UMW tonight. If York then wins out and Salisbury can beat UMW at Sal, and Catholic beats Salisbury at Salisbury (will be VERY tough), York will have a 2 game lead going into the last game of the year @UMW. I really dont want the conference #1 seed to come down to that last game at UMW, although im not sure who would win the tiebreaker. Alot of info and still very early, but just some thoughts....if YCP gets the #1 seed....Wolf Gym will close down with a 33 game home winning streak...bank on it. Im intersted if CUA has ever had a home court winning streak this long? Matt do you have any info in that?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 01, 2006, 01:05:26 PM
Well, rebounding margin may be overblown, but if you combine that with total rebounds, defensive/offensive, you can get a pretty good picture and Catholic is 2nd across the board.  Its safe to say they're good at rebounding--since they've got so much size, they should be.

I don't think CUA has had a home winning streak that long.  I don't know for sure, but even during their great runs they'd get upset at home now and then.

I'd give SMC more than 3 points, personally.  So I'll take all the favorites to cover.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on February 01, 2006, 01:36:32 PM
Bottom line, CUA loses tonight. I think Coach Wood has the team refocused on this year.

But i hope its a good close, cleanly called game.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 01, 2006, 02:44:03 PM
Interesting Matt, I haven't said it this season, but someone finally did. A day or a season without one comment about refs from you or other CUA fans is simply impossible.

You already know they are bad, you already expect it in a game, so at this point in time it no longer is a "factor" that is a surprise or something the players aren't expecting. So why bother mentioning if EVERYTING time!

It's like going to the DuFour Center (SRC South) for a Saturday afternoon game and not expecting to hardly see the back board!!! I have been to CUA every year for a Saturday home game... I am no longer surprised by the conditions and I no longer mentioned it as "factor" for teams to deal with. We all know its going to happen. Just like your complaints about refs and the fact teams still have to play the game despite them :).
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: andre james smith on February 01, 2006, 02:48:46 PM
Looking forward to tonights game, should be a good one, I look for which point guard can control the game and limit the turnovers to be a big factor in this one, I'm with mwgoonie in hoping that some friendly faces will help mike lee snap back into his old form of dominating games.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on February 01, 2006, 03:06:10 PM
Ah, the galloping of the Four Horsemen can be heard throughout the DC Metro Area.

I hope we get the refs that look like Coach Ditka and Robert "The Chief" Parrish.

And I hope they make a bad call. So we can hear about it all week....
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: John Rusnak on February 01, 2006, 03:26:14 PM
I find that which ever team has the most points at the end of the game usually wins.  So if I had to pick one category to focus on I'd say it's total points scored in a game.

Just for clarification, this would include all 2's, 3's, free throws, and 25 point bonus baskets that are scored.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on February 01, 2006, 03:37:22 PM
Quote from: basketballguru on February 01, 2006, 11:29:32 AM
Todays lines

UMW @ CUA -1
GAL   @ SAL -5.5
YCP   @ GOU +13
MU    @ SMC -3


Last game lines and results

CUA 60 @ Marymount (+3) 57
GAL 78 @ Goucher 66 (+5)
SMC 72 @ UMW 81 (-6.5)
SAL 62 @ YCP 96 (-4)



I would love to know the methodology that goes into these lines, if there is one. I would hate to lay down some of my hard-earned on a faulty line.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on February 01, 2006, 03:41:23 PM
Wow, glad to see there is no shortage of geniuses on this board. allfirst, you make a great point.

Are there really 25 point bonus baskets? Or are you just joking?
I looked in the official D3 rule book but didn't see it.  :'(

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on February 01, 2006, 03:44:57 PM
I know there are games tonight and I would hate to get in the middle of the "who thinks the refs are bad vs who thinks those people talk about it too much" debate but I spent the weekend on a road trip with some YCP Alumni, and in the spirt of the big day at the kitchen we started talking about the who was the best player of all time at York. Some of the Class of 92-96 guys said the list began and ended with Jeff Mann. I was at YCP from 94-98 and I nominated Jeff Landis, Dan Johnson, and Dave Martins from my era. The younger guys were all centered on Andy O'brien Steve Schmehl, John Ely and the leaders of the current team such as Bushey and Fass.
    None of us saw Wayne Johnson or Ken Riddick play and I was hoping those of you who played at York and get to be around those guys at alumni games, or those of you who saw them either at Wolf or around the CAC might weigh in. Like I said, I know it is a game night, but I thought I might throw it out there.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: John Rusnak on February 01, 2006, 04:17:26 PM
I never saw Jeff Mann, but I understand he was good.  Martins was a decent player, but Andy O was such an incredible scorer that I'd say it should tip his way.  But, maybe defense counts for something and people have other opinions.  Jonny Baerr was good too, but I wouldn't put him over the others.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: John Rusnak on February 01, 2006, 04:18:03 PM
Oh, by the way, the 25 point basket only comes out on games that are televised on mtv.  To my knowledge the cac hasn't had one in a while.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 01, 2006, 04:57:43 PM
Quote from: d-mac on February 01, 2006, 02:44:03 PM
A day or a season without one comment

... a season without one comment? That would be like you going through a three-hour show without saying "that's an interesting point" or "real quick." :)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 01, 2006, 05:39:35 PM
Yeah, c'mon, d'mac--be reasonable.  A SEASON....

Hell, you yourself have commented on the refs in a game at least twice this year.

I've complained about the officiating mainly in one game.  That's it.  I mentioned it once regarding the Salisbury game, which I wasn't at, and I complained about the table at Marymount.    Others complained or asked questions about calls in a few other games and I probably chimed in.

But it isn't like I've been complaining about the refs all year.  I know you like to single me out, though, so I've been waiting for it.

And I don't agree with you that the refs are always bad.  They aren't.  They've been pretty good in the bigger games I've seen this year, actually.  When the officials make a difference in the outcome of the game, either way, I think its worth noting.  Otherwise, I would agree, not so much. 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 01, 2006, 08:10:23 PM
With 2:17 left in the first half at Goucher...

York 48-Goucher 21
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 01, 2006, 08:17:11 PM
At the half in Towson...

York 55-Goucher 26
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 01, 2006, 08:46:21 PM
With just under 11 minutes left in the game...

York 72-Goucher 41

McGowan has 24 points to lead all scorers while Bushey has 14 for YCP.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 01, 2006, 09:03:56 PM
A report from Goucher on the UMW/CUA game...

At the half at CUA-  CUA 31-UMW 26
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 01, 2006, 09:09:33 PM
Final from Goucher....

York 92-Goucher 58

Details when I get the box.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 01, 2006, 10:07:30 PM
Details from Goucher..

The Spartans were led by Chad McGowan as the sophomore forward had 24 points and 11 rebounds for his fourth double-double of the year. McGowan finished 9-for-16 from the floor and 5-for-6 from the charity stripe. Senior Brandon Bushey added 14 points including four threes for the evening. Bushey was an efficient 5-for-8 from the floor including 4-for-6 from distance. Junior Brad Zerfing was the third Spartan in double figures with 11 points. Freshman Nate Fry was also very good in the win as he had nine points and a career-high nine rebounds. Senior Brian Singer and junior Joe Yeck each added eight points to the Spartan attack.

The Gophers received a team-high 21 points from ironman Jonathan Garritt as he played all 40 minutes for Goucher. Garritt drained four triples and was an impressive 7-for-8 from the free throw line. James Russo added 18 points and a team-high eight rebounds. Russo needed 25 shots to get his 18 points as the green and white defense hounded him into 5-for-25 shooting from the floor including 2-for-15 from three. Justin Ajose was the third Gopher in double figures with 11 points while he also had six rebounds.

The Spartans have won four straight overall and head to Marymount on Saturday. Game time in Arlington is 4:00 pm.

Any CUA/UMW updates out there???
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: unreallawns on February 01, 2006, 10:12:25 PM
It's a shame to see Jon Garritt's senior year be so miserable.  He's a great player!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 01, 2006, 10:28:25 PM
Anybody got a CUA/UMW score at 10:28 PM???
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: coach t on February 01, 2006, 10:43:25 PM
Gallaudet beat Salisbury 71 to 50. A solid win for Gallaudet.

Gallaudet is playing everyone tough this year. Hats off to the Bison for a big win on the road.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: andre james smith on February 01, 2006, 10:45:04 PM
CUA by 3 in OT, UMW had two shots at the end of regulation to win it and one in OT.  A very exciting game with some good runs by both teams.  Officials weren't great for either side (so there we dont have to mention them anymore).  The Eagles sure could have used A.J Fitzgerald out there in crunch time to have some more experience on the floor.  Congrats to the Lady Eagles on a buzzer beater to remain the only undefeated in DIII so the '72 Dolphins can keep thier champagne on ice for now.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: coach t on February 01, 2006, 10:56:28 PM
The CUA win puts York alone at the top and CUA and UMW tied for second. Given the two victories over Salisbury, Gallaudet is still hanging tough close behind in 4th place.

We have to be pleased with Gallaudet's effort this year making CAC an even exciting conference.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: coach t on February 01, 2006, 10:57:31 PM
My typo....I meant to say that Gallaudet's effort is making the CAC an even "more" exciting conference.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 02, 2006, 01:37:49 AM
Exciting win for Catholic tonight at DuFour.  Another very good home crowd--not as good as York, but lots of noise and spirit evident.  Nice to see the students getting into it.

Catholic did some good things today---in key areas they have been struggling in, they fixed some problems.  They still couldn't get the ball to Shane Sowden, but they did a fantastic job in the paint with Patrick Dwyer, who had a monster game with 22 points and 8 rebounds.  It should be noted that he fouled out in the last minute of regulation, so CUA did it without him in OT. 

The other area of massive improvement was free throw shooting--Catholic actually outshot Mary Wash with a 21-26 night.  Shane hit some big free throws at the end of the game to seal the win, and Scott Fumai had some at the end of regulation to tie the game.

Mary Wash came out on a big run, building up a 23-9 lead.  Catholic looked dead and defeated.  Coach Howes subbed out pretty much all his starters and went with freshman Nick Olivero and Fresman Josh Mish.  Both had breakout games.  Olivero end up playing 30 minutes thanks to his great defense on Mike Lee.  He scored 12 points, but they were big shots.  Mish had 8 points in 9 minutes.  Stephen Wheeler also a very good game, with 10 minutes on 5-5 shooting in 15 minutes.

For Mary Wash, obviously Baker has a lot of talent, but he was totally shut down by Aaron Kelly in the second half and OT--he had 13 at the half and finished with 17 on 5-18 shooting.  Lee was 5-13 for 16.  More impressive to me where the two forwards, Whitworth and Pierce, both of whom had some nice 3's.  Nice to see big guys who can shoot.

Catholic fought back to lead at halftime, and then built up a solid 10 point which Mary Wash chipped away at.  Given their astounding lack of depth, I tip my hat to them.  Catholic got bitten by some turnovers and Mary Wash hit some 3's, and pretty soon it was a tied game.  Mary Wash jumped out to a 5 point lead in OT, but once Catholic got going they took control with very good defense.  Mary Wash killed itself in OT with 2 travels and a turnover--fatigue I suppose.

I can't understand how Mary Wash is going to stay fresh with their guys playing these kind of minutes. Baker played 44 minutes, Pierce 44, Lee 42, Whitworth 37.  Wow.  They deserve a lot of credit for hanging in there in this game, but down the stretch as league play is wrapping up, they are going to be exhausted.  Clearly, it affected Baker's performance tonight--he just couldn't keep that pace up.   And I really, really wish Coach Wood could find a way to communicate that doesn't involve the f-bomb.  He was on his best behavior tonight, but even then he lost it once  and let out a nice little string.  If I can hear it from midcourt, its too loud.  Great effort by his team though.

Ditto Andre on the aspect of the game I'm not supposed to mention.

Overall, a fun game to watch and an important win for Catholic as they head down to the Tyson Lesense show Saturday. 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on February 02, 2006, 01:52:12 AM
"Gallaudet hand in Seagulls' first home loss of the season!"

Gallaudet - 71
Salisbury - 50
Halftime: GU 32-27

The underdog Gallaudet Bison use several runs in second half to pull the game away over the favorite by 5.5 points and the host, Salisbury Seagulls at the Maggs Center. Salisbury jump into a early burst with 6-0 lead before Haney, Jr scored with a jumper. Bison got the lead for good (28-27) at 2:39 remaining in 1st half with Haney, Jr. shot from the perimeter. Later on, Salisbury did tie the game, 37-37 with 14:48 remaining in second half after basket made by Ozi Menakaya. Jon Mowl quick responded with a difficult jumper to bring Gallaudet back to the lead position, 39-37. In very next possession, Ray Williams got charged. Haney, Jr. respond with a rainbow three point shot to push it ahead to 5 points lead, 42-37, that's a begin of Bison's other and key run soon. With 12:41 remaining in the game, Seagulls' Ray Williams got Techninal Foul right after a miss easy lay-up by yell at the referee. After that incident, Gallaudet went to 29-13 run for rest of the game to finish the game with 21 points victory from 5 points lead, 42-37. Tonight's win doubled up from last year's total wins from 6 to 12 wins, also they already sweep two teams in season series compare to just one conference win in past years.

Gallaudet Bison:
Haney, Jr. - 18 points (7-15 FG, 3-3 FT), and 8 rebounds
Mowl - 17 points  (4-6 FG, 3-5 3FG, 6-8 FT), and 5 rebounds
Jackson - 13 points (6-12 FG, 1-1 FT) and 8 rebounds
Weedon - 9 points
Babatunde - 6 points and 3 rebounds
Team - 16-19 (84.2%) from FT line along with 44% from the field and 7-17 (41%) from the three point land.

Salisbury Seagulls:
Odumeru - 15 points, 2 steals, 4 rebounds and 5 turnovers
Williams - 10 points (none in 2nd half), 3 rebounds, 3 assists, and 2 steals
Ward - 9 points
Harmon, Rice and Vaitkus - 4 points each
Menakaya - team high 6 rebounds
Team - 4-7 (57.1%) from FT line along with 34% from the field and 6-20 (30%) from the three point land.

This weekend, Gallaudet (12-8, 5-4) will travel to Fredericksburg to take on the Eagles of the University of Mary Washington at 2pm instead of 4pm at the Goolrick Gym due to their alumni day.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on February 02, 2006, 08:26:46 AM
We should clarify Matt's comment on Wood.

It doesn't matter where you sit - mid court, foul line, 3-pt, base line - if you're still only 20 feet from the guy yelling. How bout the Catholic fan standing up and flicking off the UMW fans from cross court...oh, and the little thing called the entire student body chanting "bulls--t". But hey, they're not Coach Wood so I guess that doesn't count.

Back to the game, awesome. Great CAC bball. Good game by CUA - esp hitting all those FT's. Really killed from the line. I believe they won the rebound battle too. Good defense on Lee - but from what I saw, he good definitely be scoring more points but opts to play team bball. Anyways, good game. Good spirit.

yada yada
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: x33ycp on February 02, 2006, 08:37:14 AM
Kitchenrat,

I havent seen alot of those guys play (except in the alumni game, which is not a good gage  ;)) But  from my experiences, Andy O'Brien was the best player I ever played with hands down. He could score from anywhere at anytime, and he is the all-time leading scorer in school history with over 2000 pts. He was simply amazing at times. He could create his own shot whenever he wanted it. However, that may change soon. Chad McGowan will end up scoring a bunch of points,  approach 100 wins, 2-3 CAC titles, and maybe a couple player of the year awards....that would be hard to argue with...
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 02, 2006, 10:13:06 AM
Yeah, I tend to hold coaches to a higher standard than fans.  The fans last night were fine, anyway, not particularly rowdy.

And I differentiate between yelling the f word and fans chanting bull---- at officials.  He can do what he wants on his bench, but it should be contained to his bench.  I was sitting at midcourt, 6 rows up.  Defend it if you want, I just think it goes too far.  Everybody has their own standards.

Impressive win by the Bison.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: John Rusnak on February 02, 2006, 10:22:37 AM
I was so close at making money last night.  If Mary Wash could've scored on one of their chances and won, and if Goucher had only scored another 56 points, I would've gotten all four right...darn!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on February 02, 2006, 10:23:28 AM
Obviously Andy was the greatest scorer of all time at York, especially when you factor in that he had other great scorers on the team with him. It wasn't like it was all Andy and chump change from the rest of the guys. During his run he played with guys like John Ely, Brandon Bushy and of course Steve Schmehl who all got a ton of points too. I got the chance to see Andy (and the rest of those guys) play as an alumni, but I guess where I got kind of hung up was that I was a student for Dan Johnson, Jeff Landis, and Dave Martins and I called most of those games on WVYC so I am a bit more informed about them.
         I know there is a tendency to factor points more than anything else, and it is hard to compare a center to a guard but my biggest dilemma was how to compare Dan to Andy. Dan had about 150 less points than Andy, but got most of them in the paint as opposed to from outside. Is that a plus or a minus? Dan also had a solid core of classmates like Landis who he played with the whole time so it was more stable. Then you have to factor in rebounds, defense and creating with out the ball. To be honest I don't know the answer, and like I said I never saw Riddick or Wayne Johnson. I do agree that for all around game, Chad may end up as one of the best ever, he has the skills to take over the floor when needed.
   Big win last night for the Green and White. It looks like this may be one of the best runs to the end we have had in the CAC in a long time. If York holds serve it will come through the Kitchen one last time, but if someone else gets hot and the Sparts stumble anything could happen. I can't Wait.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on February 02, 2006, 10:30:34 AM
Here's nice article and more information relate to Gallaudet-Salisbury game last night at Maggs Center from the Salisbury based newspaper, The Daily Times.

http://www.delmarvanow.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060202/SPORTS/602020327/1006



PS - What a great and competition rivalry games during the UMW-CUA womens and mens game at DuFour. One led into a buzzer beater win and a thrill overtime win for opposite team in mens' game. I am sure it's fun for the fans to watch it last night.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: andre james smith on February 02, 2006, 07:08:31 PM
Hey Matt,
  If you sat 8 rows behind Gary Williams or Coach K in that same gym last night, you think you would hear more or less profanities than you heard from Coach Wood?  It's college basketball my friend.  As far as I am concerned he can drop as many f-bombs as he wants if he keeps his team playing this well with 2 freshmen, 2 sophomores and one junior in the starting linuep, losing in conference by 1 on a desparation 3 to Goucher on the road, by 3 in overtime last night, and losing to the No. 9 team in the country by 5 on the road as well.  I love the kids that he is bringing in and how hard he gets them to play every night.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 02, 2006, 08:33:08 PM
Sure, he got a lot of out his team, I suppose, but I would be shocked if I was sitting at midcourt and Coach K was coaching a game at DuFour and I heard that kind of thing.

And he wouldn't get away with it at the D-1 level anyway---D3 refs are intimidated enough not to T him up.  Try that on an ACC ref and you're watching the game from the lockeroom every night.

Whatever, lets move on to the next set of games.  Every game from here on out is tough, particularly on the road.  St. Mary's needs a win and has a really talented player to get one with.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dan Johnson on February 02, 2006, 11:20:45 PM
Now that I know that kitchenrat called the games for WVYC, I finally know who you are!!!  Glad to know you are around.  Hope all is well!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: John Rusnak on February 03, 2006, 01:31:39 PM
Weekend predictions:

SMC gets buried at home.

Mary Wash beats Gally in a struggle.

Goucher gets win #2 at home against SSU

York pounds Marymount.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: magoose3 on February 03, 2006, 03:31:13 PM
Coach K is one of the biggest culprits of using four letters words and getting into his players.  His practices are even worse.  Remeber he is a disciple of Bobby Knight.  He just hides it better.  Rest assured when he's got his arm around a player during a game, he isn't complimenting his jumper. 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 03, 2006, 04:06:07 PM
Yeah, that's exactly my point.   As I said, a coach should be free to say or do whatever he wants within reason with his team, during the game, but he shouldn't do it so that a large number of fans can hear it.  If you can hear it at midcourt almost midway up the top of the bleachers, its too loud.  People even farther away heard it.  And its not like it was the first time.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on February 03, 2006, 05:31:00 PM
Dan,

   It sure was alot of fun to watch you guys play.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Coach C on February 04, 2006, 08:26:28 AM
I have sat right behind Coach K and I have never heard an F bomb.  gary William, now that's another story.

One of the things that I wish coaches, players and fans remembered (and yeah, I have forgoten it on occasion too) is that kids go to these games. 

The F bomb is fine when used in the huddle or one on one.  But when the fans can hear it, it's a problem.

C
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: basketballguru on February 04, 2006, 11:43:15 AM
Todays lines

CUA @ SMC +4
GAL @ UMW -5
SAL @ GOU +7
YCP @ MU +8.5

Last game lines and results
UMW 67 @ CUA (-1) 70
GAL 71 @ SAL 50 (-5.5)
YCP 92 @ GOU 58 (+13
MU 74 @ SMC 63 (-3)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dan Johnson on February 04, 2006, 02:15:48 PM
I think if we were to go back to the archives, we had this same debate over Coach Woods and his vulgarity within the past year or two.  Interesting...
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on February 04, 2006, 02:43:46 PM
Halftime at Goolrick,
GAL 41, UMW 35

Haney 16 points

Baker 8 for UMW, Pierce 7

UMW is just 2-13 from three in the first half.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on February 04, 2006, 04:02:52 PM
Final:
UMW 70, GAL 69

Eagles win despite three bad calls by the same ref in the last eight seconds, who looked like he was trying to give the game to Gally.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on February 04, 2006, 04:41:01 PM
At the half YCP 33 MMU 20. Bushy has 9.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: coach t on February 04, 2006, 05:08:22 PM
"Eagles win despite three bad calls by the same ref in the last eight seconds, who looked like he was trying to give the game to Gally."

Mr. mwcsid,

I was at the game and I cannot understand what you are saying about the three calls by the same ref in the last 8 seconds. Gallaudet had the ball under their own basket inbounding to Haney in the corner. He was immediately trapped by two and then three defenders. He was surely trapped and threw a desperation shot at the buzzer.

If there were any bad calls, a foul could have been called sending Haney to the line for possible game tying or winning free throws. None were called.

Therefore, you brought up the need for me to say that you are just simply disappointed that UMW struggled today and were very lucky to get out of your own gym alive!

Face it.....Gallaudet is a tough team and any team taking Gallaudet lightly will be beaten. Get over your disappointment and stop blaming the refs.

Thank you.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 04, 2006, 05:08:55 PM
From Marymount....

with 13:28 left in the second

York 44-Marymount 28
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 04, 2006, 05:23:56 PM
From Marymount...

York 62-Marymount 42

Just over seven minutes left


Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on February 04, 2006, 05:45:27 PM
Refs suck. Period.


And despite all the F-bomb talk, Matt was still only 20 feet from the guy. So I don't know what difference it makes what he heard.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on February 04, 2006, 05:54:40 PM
Road win for the sparts 72-56. Bushy lead YCP with 16.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on February 04, 2006, 07:12:57 PM
UMW was so LUCKY to come up with the win.. The game was kind of robbed.. I am not going to complain because it's fact.. UMW was lucky to come out of the gym with the victory. Also, Coach Woods should have got T easy at end of the game, even though his team was winning after the buzzer sounded. At least, the Cardinals win over St. Mary's. Game stats will come up later on..

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Akela15 on February 04, 2006, 08:00:25 PM
Looking at the box score it looks like Brian Singer had a big game off the bench for the Spartans.  Was anyone at the game for a recap?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 04, 2006, 10:12:58 PM
Catholic did indeed beat St. Mary's 77-60 in a rather wild game.  First of all, it was my first trip ever to SMC and the new gym--interesting place.  Whoever designed the gym did a great job with the acoustics--it was really, really loud in there despite being about half full.  Pretty good CUA crowd for a game that far away.

Big story of this one was the job freshman Nick Olivero did on Tyson Lesense.  Together with Aaron Kelly (more on him later--the 'wild' part of the game--Lesense was absolutely shut down--5 of 18 for 14 points.  Olivero was incredible on defense---he did the exact same thing to Mike Lee in the previous game.  The CAC better watch out for this kid--as a freshman, if you draw Lee and Lesense as your assignment and the two of them go a combined 10-36 against you, that's pretty impressive.  He played smothering defense, gave up no more than 2-3 decent looks.

Tyson got very frustrated and increasingly demonstrative--after calls, he'd complain, storm around, shake his head, etc.  Kelly was doing a great job on him when Nick was on the bench.  The two of them were going at it a little bit, ref stopped play and called a double tech.  Now I think by now everybody in the league knows Aaron Kelly.  He is not a volatile player.  He's a hard-nosed head down quiet guy.   He didn't think he deserved a tech, neither did I.  Lesense was getting away with bloody murder the whole game with holds, push offs, etc. 

In his own back court, Gene the ref (we all know Gene, don't we--and for the record unlike many on here I actually think Gene does a pretty decent job, he at least works hard to be in the right position to make calls even if he's not always right, that's more than you can say for a lot of guys--so I have nothing against him), walks over to Aaron, and Aaron kind of just shrugs his shoulders at him and asks why he got a tech.  Gene turns around, t's him up AGAIN, and ejects him.   I guess he thought he was complaining about the call too much.

It isn't like he was mouthing off, showing attitude, using profanity, anything like that.  Aaron absolutely couldn't believe it.  So Lesense shows the t's with a huge grin on his face.  And let me tell you, it was the WORST thing that could have happened to St. Mary's.   The Catholic fans--but also players-- were furious Kelly had gotten ejected, especially considering what Lesense had gotten away with (that was the issue for me, the double standard).  He was ejected with 5:00 left and the score 55-50 Catholic.  Catholic went on a 13-2 run in the next 2:30 and blew the game away.  It was nice to see them fired up.  Olivero ended up drawing an offensive foul off of Lesense (I think the refs had finally tired of him really) and fouled him out, which allowed the Catholic fans to, well, enjoy the moment.  SMC bench didn't like it much though.  So it goes.

Anyway, otherwise, another nice spark from Josh Mish off the bench--8 points in 9 minutes.  Catholic had their second straight good game inside---Pat Dwyer had 17 and Shane Sowden 15.  On the offensive end Olivero had 11.  In case you couldn't tell, I'm high on this kid---he just seems to be in the right spot at the right time, and is high energy.  He'll come flying through and grab an offensive rebound when you don't expect it. 

So a good win on the road.  Wednesday, of course, Catholic is at York.  I really wish I could go to that game, but I'll have to work.  I'm sure it will be another great one, and I hope its not the last one of the year (well if somebody else wants to beat York, by all means feel free, don't get me wrong)...

Sounds like a crazy game at Mary Wash.   CoachT and pride don't have to tell me twice how tough Gally is.  The Cardinals will be glad to vouch for them.  Actually, I'm glad they're keeping up the high quality play--people can understand a little better why Catholic lost at their place...if they get you way out of your game (which they did against Catholic), with their home crowd all riled up, its tough.   I'm looking forward to their crosstown trip on what will be Senior Day at Catholic (and hopefully our own crowd to contend with).

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 04, 2006, 10:54:59 PM
Details from Marymount...

The Spartans were led by senior Brandon Bushey as the guard tossed in a game-high 16 points while he also had three assists and three rebounds. Chad McGowan added 15 points, six rebounds, three blocked shots, and two steals for the green and white. Senior Brian Singer continued his stellar play of late with 14 points and six rebounds in just 14 minutes of action. Singer was 4-for-4 from the floor and 6-for-8 from the charity stripe. Brad Zerfing was the fourth Spartan in double figures with 11 points. Senior Kenny Fass pulled down a game-high seven rebounds for York.

The Saints received 14 points from Brandon Parker as the guard was 5-for-14 from the floor. Corey Diamond added nine points and four rebounds to the Saint attack. Pooyan Rahimi and Charles Atakora each added eight points to the Marymount offense.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on February 05, 2006, 10:34:39 AM
Does anyone know the deal with Hood and their Gym. Are then building a new one or do they always play at the High School? Looks like they played all road games in the first semester. Just wondering if any of you Maryland CAC types knew.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: unreallawns on February 05, 2006, 11:14:39 AM
Salisbury snuck by at goucher in double overtime.  The rest of the season is going to be very interesting as far as wrapping up the 2-5 seeds.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: spartanfan on February 05, 2006, 08:37:31 PM
Hood currently plays at Thomas Johnson HS, where Hood's coach Dickman (some of you Catholic guys might recognize that name) used to coach HS ball.  Hood was an all girls school, with no basketball team. With the new addition of males and a team, I can imagine it'll be a couple years before they have a gym.  Dickman is notorious around that part of MD as being able to recruit some top-notch talent; he did it in HS (winning multiple state championships) and I guarantee you it won't be long until Hood is a VERY respectable program.  I had the pleasure of being posterized by Terrance Morris my junior year in HS at this gym.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 05, 2006, 09:12:55 PM
Hood was an all-women's school with a basketball team. However, the campus gym is barely sufficient for that program. I don't know what plans are to replace it.

For those who remember Marymount's old gym, Hood's gym seats about one-quarter as many people. There's no out of bounds space. Probably would be unsafe to play men's games there and I don't know how safe it is for the women's games either.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: spartanfan on February 05, 2006, 09:20:41 PM
I didn't even know they had a women's team.  I knew they some sort of gym, my mom played volleyball for them back in the day. But figured they had turned it into classrooms or something.  I'll give Dickman 6 years before he has Hood win their first NCAA bid, whether it be as an independent or by winning whatever conference they end up joining. 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 05, 2006, 10:12:57 PM
They joined the CAC.
http://www.d3hoops.com/news.php?date=2005-12-30
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Akela15 on February 05, 2006, 11:41:02 PM
A little of topic but not too far, regarding Hood's athletic programs their mens soccer team has made very big steps in the right direction this past year.  I believe they finished above .500 for the first time and started the season off very strong before slightly fading off.  So as previous posters have stated it wont be long before their basketball team is competitive as well, espcially with their coach.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: muchacho on February 06, 2006, 01:05:27 PM
Congratulations to Nick Olivero for being named CAC player of the week. After a slow start following his great season on the gridiron, Nick is starting to show how great of a basketball player he can be as well. I think Nick can be the starting guard opposite of Satalin for the rest of the season, and lets see if Coach Howes gives him that chance Wednesday against York.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 06, 2006, 05:32:20 PM
Yeah, Catholic seemed to work well with Satalin at the 1 and Olivero at the 2, drawing the toughest defensive assignment.  Nick did start for the first time against SMC in recognition of his play against Mary Washington.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: spartanfan on February 06, 2006, 09:24:20 PM
Awesome...apparentl I am not up-to-date with my current events.  I'm looking forward to seeing how they perform in the CAC over the next couple of years.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 06, 2006, 09:34:45 PM
Yeah, but admit it...y'all are gonna miss Catholic.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on February 06, 2006, 09:53:16 PM
York wins at Hood 93-83 with  Dean Gamber coaching in his fathers abscence.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 06, 2006, 11:32:43 PM
1. Wow---much closer than I would have thought. 

2. Where was Coach Gamber? Everything alright I hope.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on February 07, 2006, 12:32:33 AM
Gallaudet Bison - 69
@ UMW Eagles - 70
Halftime: GU lead 41-35

FREDERICKSBURG, VA - Sophomore forward Justin Baker led five UMW players in double figures, and freshman guard Matt Treacy hit two free throws with 29 seconds left, as the University of Mary Washington men's basketball team edged Gallaudet University, 70-69, on Saturday at Goolrick Gymnasium. The Eagles improve to 12-8 and 7-3 in CAC play, while Gallaudet falls to 12-9 and 5-5.

UMW held a 68-61 lead with 3:13 to play on a Baker layup. Gallaudet cut the deficit to 68-64 at 1:41 on a three pointer by Luther Weedon. Robert Haney pulled the Bison to within one at 1:02 left with another three. Treacy then made two free throws to make the score 70-67. With eight seconds remaining, Gallaudet's Jon Mowl made two free throws, and UMW was called for a five second violation, giving the Bison the ball, down one, with eight seconds to play. Haney missed the potential game winner with questionable no call and the Eagles held on to the rebound as the final horn sounded.

After the final horn sounded, Coach Wood storm on the court, try to chase and keep on shouting on the referees while the referees are on their way out of the court. Rod Wood was held back by two of his assistant coaches way after the halfcourt from UMW's bench. That's other situation that it's questionable should be a technical foul even though the buzzer sounded few seconds before but the officials still haven't left the floor. It's almost like the exactly same concept as the referees ruin the Super Bowl (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/5310192) between Seattle and Pittsburgh which it may be a overturn situation.

Mary Washington:
Baker - 15 points (5-11 FG, 0-4 3FG), 7 rebounds and 4 assists
Treacy - 13 points, 3 assists and 2 steals
Whitworth - 12 points and 7 rebounds
Pierce - 10 points
Lee - 10 points (4-11 FG, 2-5 3FG), 6 assists, 4 rebounds and 4 steals

Gallaudet:
Haney - 22 points (7-8 FT), 8 rebounds, 2 assists, 2 blocks and 2 steals
Weedon - 13 points
Jackson - 12 points, 8 rebounds, 3 assists and steal
Mowl - 11 points, 3 assist and 3 steals

More Stats...
Field Goal: GU 24-50 (48%), UMW 27-60 (45%)
3-Field Goal: GU 8-20 (40%), UMW 6-25 (24%)
Free-Throw: GU 13-21 (61.9%), UMW 10-12 (83.3%)
Rebounds: GU 29 (8 off./21 def.), UMW 34 (12 off./22 def.)
Assists/TO: GU 11/18, UMW 18/16

On Wednesday, the Gallaudet Bison (12-9, 5-5) will take on St. Mary's at Field House (after 4 straight road games concluded with 3-1 record) to avenge 83-77 loss at SMC on January 18. Mary Washington Eagles (12-8, 7-3) will host against the conference's last place team, Goucher Gophers at Goolrick. The Gophers lost to Salisbury in two overtimes at home by three, 83-80.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 07, 2006, 12:58:15 AM
Details from Frederick....

Chad McGowan led the Spartans with 22 points and nine rebounds in 35 minutes of action. McGowan also played great defense against Santo Provenzano as he held the Hood standout to five second half points after he gashed the Spartans for 15 first-half points. McGowan was 7-for-14 from the floor including 1-for-3 from distance. He sunk 7-of-9 from the charity stripe including 5-of-6 in the last two minutes of the game. Brandon Bushey played an outstanding game for York as the senior guard added 20 points, three rebounds, and two assists. Bushey was 7-for-12 from the floor including 4-of-6 from distance and 2-for-2 from the line. Brad Zerfing was the third Spartan in double figures with 15 points while he also had six rebounds, three assists, and a steal. Fass and freshman Nate Fry each added eight points while Brian Singer passed out a career-high six assists from the post.

Santo Provenzano led the Blazers with 20 points while he also had a team-high eight rebounds. He finished the game shooting 8-for-14 from the floor and 4-for-7 from the charity stripe. Center Jesse Gutekunst tallied 17 points, five rebounds, three assists, and two blocked shots in 24 minutes. Darnell Edmonds chipped in with 16 points on a career-high five three pointers. Edmonds dished out seven assists while he also had three steals. Freshman Tim Abercrombie contributed 15 points and four assists as he nailed 3-of-4 from distance.

Nobody should be suprised this was close. Hood came into the game 20-5 at home over the last two years. They have a good collection of talent. I will predict that they will be one of the top four teams in the CAC next year. They have everyone coming back and they are well coached. I was impressed with how hard they played and they do a good job of running their stuff. With a number of CAC teams graduating some of their top players, Hood could be an impact team next year.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on February 07, 2006, 02:14:17 AM
I don't know what the situation was with Coach Gamber tonight. I tuned in to the Radio broadcast about 5 minutes late and heard Darrel and Scott refer to Dean not being happy with a call and later they were talking about Dean wanting to get Bushy back on the floor but letting Paddy Lee stay in because he was doing a great job on D against Provenzano. They didn't mention much more about Coach Gamber's absence and I was waiting for the box score to see if he was removed from the game. There were no Techs so, I was waiting for the post from YCP to see if that would mention a reason. I guess we will have to wait till tomorrow to find out.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: andre james smith on February 07, 2006, 08:17:22 AM
Bison,
  I don't know if you wrote that yourself or if you found it somewhere else, but it would help if you or whoever wrote it actually knew the name of the coach that you were talking trash about.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 07, 2006, 09:40:55 AM
Coach Wood losing his temper during game? 
Nah, I can't believe it...  ::)

YCP, I knew Hood had some talent, but their schedule was really soft, so I thought York would kind of roll over them, especially since they've been playing really well.  Apparently not.  They did beat Salisbury though, I believe...

I wonder why, incidentally, Hood is joining the CAC next year?  Its strange they are moving to an odd number of teams--so one pair is only going to play each other once.  Could be rather unfair.






Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: gouchersid on February 07, 2006, 10:09:40 AM
Everybody will continue to play everybody else in the CAC twice next year - that just means 18 conference games as opposed to 16. The proposed schedule I saw has, if I remember correctly, four playing dates before Christmas and then at least two weeks later in the season where games will be played Tuesday-Thursday-Saturday. Each team will have a pair of byes on the master schedule.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: gouchersid on February 07, 2006, 10:12:25 AM
I should have said each team will play 16 conference games instead of 14 next season.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 07, 2006, 10:12:52 AM
Just to let everyone know, Coach Gamber did not travel with the team last night to due a personal reason.
He will more than likely be back on the bench for Wednesday night's game against Catholic.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 07, 2006, 10:19:46 AM
Hood's schedule is a bit on the soft side but they have a young and talented team. They came into last night's game having won five straight including the win over Salisbury. The Spartans didn't play a great first half and didn't shoot the ball the way they normally do which contributed to a close contest. Hood is a scrappy team that plays hard. It is amazing to me what they have done in just their third year of existence. I have to believe with everyone back next year, they will do well in the CAC next year.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on February 07, 2006, 10:44:06 AM
Well I hope all is well with Coach Gamber, and I wish he and the family well if it is needed. On a lighter note, congrats to Dean on picking up what I can only guess is his first coaching W. Or do they not keep track of interum wins like in the pros?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on February 07, 2006, 03:08:51 PM
For tomorrows games....

I'd like to see

CUA over York
St. Mary win
Marymount win
and of course, see UMW avenge Goucher's only win of the season.

;D
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 07, 2006, 04:10:16 PM
You might like to see CUA beat YCP... but it isn't going to happen on the kitchen floor! Look for CUA to lose by 10.

GOU probably can't get two against UMW. The loss to SAL was certainly a blow. The team had it won in regulation when SAL missed a last minute, long jumper to tie it... only to see the rebound fall into the wide-open hands of a SAL player under the basket. Easy layup... and overtime.

Goucher and Salisbury fought hard in the game and the atmosphere was great. Reminded me of the CAC Championship game at the SRC between Salisbury and Goucher many years ago. And while both teams seemed to match each other shot for shot, the Gophers weren't able to pull of the magic in the end.

Consider this. Goucher is playing with seven "healthy" players. They had an eighth come off the bench (CJ Snipes), but he has two bad knees and before Salisbury, had missed two games.

I will say this now... while Goucher might not have a great record, I think Jonathan Garritt deserves 1st teams honors this year. James Russo might deserve 1st or 2nd. You can't play Goucher without taking those two into account. They won't quit and you have to guard them. Ask Brad Serfing what it's like to have Garritt spot up at the top of the key and nail a three in your face time, after time, after time. He has put this team on his shoulders and while the record might not be great, they are always in it.

It's too bad this has to be the way Garritt finishes his career as a Gopher. But, he is one of the toughest players I have watched and thinks every team they face has the potential to go down.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on February 07, 2006, 04:21:20 PM
No doubt, Goucher is always tough.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: unreallawns on February 07, 2006, 06:52:02 PM
Garritt is a great CAC player.  It is unfortunate that his senior year has ended up the way it has.  I'm willing to say that if he was on any of the top 5 teams, he would be considered for P.O.Y.  He is that talented.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: spartanfan on February 07, 2006, 08:28:23 PM
After earlier comments, I have to reiterate....Coach Dickman has always had and obviously still does have a knack for recruiting talent.  I might have to change my original prediction of making it to the NCAA's from 6 years to maybe 3 or 4.  I also hope all is well with Coach Gamber and his family.  And congrats to Dean for his first win......reminds me of a time when....nevermind, no comment. HEHE
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on February 07, 2006, 10:55:49 PM
Obviously tomorrow is a big game for both York and Catholic. If York want's to show they are ready to keep winning right on in to March a W in the Kitchen tomorrow should send the message. This is a nice test to show they are ready for the CAC tourny where you have to play on only one day rest let alone the NCAAs where you play tough foes on back to back nights. I look for Bushy  to step up with a big night both scoring on D against Satalin. Satalin has had some tough shooting nights when Bushy Has been on him, and even though Brandon's point total was lower than his average in the game this year in DC he had three top notch games vs CUA last year. Should be an all around battle, and I know the place will be electric as it was in the CAC final last year. GO SPARTS!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 07, 2006, 11:34:41 PM
Interesting, but Catholic has been evolving so much that even compared to that night a few weeks ago, some key players have changed.  Freshman Nick Olivero has broken out since that game as the key guard on defense and an offensive spark plug.  He had just 5 minutes in the first game against York, he may even start tomorrow and was CAC player of the week.  Josh Mish has entered the rotation as a big man off the bench with 16 points in the last 2 games, Wheeler, who was a DNP against York, had 19.  These are guys who didn't even play in the first game.

Catholic should be a little less reliant on Satalin's shooting, but they still need a decent night for Satalin or Fumai.  The key will be Dwyer and Sowden, of course.  If BOTH get going, CUA can beat anybody.  In the first game, York collapsed on Sowden, who took just 5 shots, but that allowed Dwyer to have a career night with 27.  Those two guys have to play better defense against Singer--he was the high man for York in the first game.

Catholic was just 13-20 from the free throw line in the first game.  They've been much, much better lately but they will be playing in a tough environment.  Neither team shot well the first time, but Catholic was worse from the field.

If Catholic can spread things out and run the floor, they've got great depth (better than York's, especially at guard) and a good inside game.  If it turns into a jump shot contest, they're going to get beaten--York is deadly. It should be a good, competitive game and I really wish I could see it in person.  I hope we can get updates on the board!

A York win makes things much more comfortable for them and almost certainly the final game.  A Catholic win changes the picture dramatically, putting them in a tie for 1st place--but CUA would hold the tiebreaker against York.

So c'mon Cards...this is the time to turn it on.  Especially the seniors.  You've had a great run, but you're not done yet and you still have the opportunity to really leave a mark and continue the tradition.  Make a statement!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Akela15 on February 08, 2006, 07:42:31 AM
Huge game tonight in York, Spartans by 7 in the end.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on February 08, 2006, 09:42:42 AM
Matt-

I think York's depth at guard is overlooked if you only base it on point totals. Yeck and Zerfing my not hang huge totals every night but each is a top notch defender and can shoot from any place on the floor. I would put Bushy and Fass against any player in the CAC any night and feel more than comfortable. Then the wild card is Paddy Lee, who at 6-6 runs the point for the Sparts when he is on the floor which causes alot of match up problems for other teams. CUA knows this of course and may d him up with a 3 rather than putting which ever PG is out there on him. Those are 5 better than average players in the guard rotation and then you have to factor Quinn Howard and Nate Fry who can both bring the ball up and d up on gaurds but who will play more 3 and 4. Add to them Singer and McGowan who may end up being a POY before its all said and done and you have as deep a team as you need. Anything past 9 may leave someone on the bench too long, and absent foul trouble this rotation has been more than money for York so far.
   

I have a Question for Pat or any of the CAC SIDs about what will happen with the CAC tourny next year. Will they have an 8-9 play in game ala the old set up in the ACC or will 9 have to sit out? I know that my not be decided yet, but if anyone knows i was just wondering

I won't say I know York is going to win tonight but i can say i will be there making as much noise as I can to help make the Kitchen rock. GO SPARTS!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 08, 2006, 10:20:18 AM
Come on dmac...

"James Russo might deserve 1st or 2nd."

That might be on the silliest things you have ever said. There is no question Jonathan Garritt deserves All-CAC recognition. He has been a great player all four years and there isn't a team in the league that he would make better. He could play for my team any day of the week.
Russo is a nice player but in no way is he one of the top 10, maybe top 15 in the league. He gets his points only because he is the second option on a team that is struggling.
If Russo were picked second team over a player like, for example, Kenny Fass, it would be a joke. First, Kenny shut down Russo in the first meeting. Russo scored 16 on 6-of-16 shooting. Russo got eight of those last points in the last six minutes when Fass was on the bench because the game was out of hand. In the second match up (which I did not see so I am going strickly from numbers), Russo had 18 points on 5-of-25 shooting (25 shots for 18 points and six of those points came at the free throw line). Fass had 11 points on five shots. To put all-conference voting based on offensive numbers is ridiculous though I know that is what happens.

I know you bleed blue and gold but you have to be objective. I also know that I will defend our kids for All-CAC. I don't know that Kenny will get All-CAC recognition but there  aren't too many players I would rather have on my side when the game is on the line. He is one of the big reasons for York's success over the last two years. 

That being said, there were two players from a last place team that got selected last year and the champs just got one so I guess anything can happen.

Should be a great game tonight against the Cardinals. It is the second to last regular season game at Wolf Gym as campaign winds down.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 08, 2006, 10:36:09 AM
Rat,
I certainly wasn't trying to imply that York didn't have depth, they do.  Its just that CUA has extreme depth--they are the deepest team in the league.  Of course, that doesn't make them the BEST team in and of itself, but it does mean that they can and want to run and in a fast paced game can wear out their opponents.  The teams that have been successful (Gally and Salisbury) have slowed the game down and gotten Catholic into strictly a halfcourt offense.  The second thing is that foul trouble is not as big of a problem.

I was specifically talking about Catholic's depth at the 1.  Nobody in the league has a guard of the caliber of Mike Waslienko coming off the bench--he's been a 2 year starter.  Obviously York knows first hand what Stoltenzhaler can do, even as a freshman, and Kelly is a superior defender. 

To get Olivero on the floor, Satalin has been playing more of the 1 too, and he's certainly capable of that. 

The other area of major depth is the big men--Dwyer, Sowden, Wheeler, Sprienberg, Mish, Baker...everybody has had more than 8 points at least once this year. 

I'd be curious as to exactly who D-Mac is putting Russo in front of to get him to either the 1st or 2nd team...
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on February 08, 2006, 10:57:22 AM
Matt,

Your points are well taken and understood. I guess what each team does works for them. I think York could have Kelley and Riley play more, but i also think the 9 main guys are used to their rotation and they might get thrown off it they went 11 or 12 deep. I'm not saying they are iron men like the 5 starters for UMW who all seem to play 35 mins each but I think they are comfortable in the rythem Coach Gamber has them in. And god knows they run. I didn't see the game in DC but the stats didn't make it seem like they ran the whole game, so I guess it comes down to who will set the tempo. 

My point about gaurd depth is that York doesn't use a traditional PG and so the match up shouldnt be as much as an issue. Save Singer and McGowan I wouldn't worry too much seeing any of the other 7 guys man up on almost any #1.

Can't wait for the game. Should be an instant classic. Maybe it will be on ESPN Classic.... oh yeah they only put Grinnell on TV.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on February 08, 2006, 11:17:53 AM
I may have been smoking crack on the last post. Lots of typos and spelling errors. I'm at work and didn't have time to look it over and, going back in an editing now looks like a lost cause. What it comes down to is GO YORK!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: x33ycp on February 08, 2006, 11:33:34 AM
I think tonight will be a GREAT game. If York can hold off the Cards they will have a strangle hold on that #1 seed, which is sooo important....If Catholic wins, it basically forces York to win out and hope for a Catholic loss....Whoever wins this game will get the #1 seed in my opinion...bottom line is that YCP is more talented and is playing at Wolf, I think instead of blowing a nine point lead like they did down in DC, they will extend it in the final minutes.....

YCP-82
CUA-69

P.S.--Matt, although they are different types of "guards", I'd take Paddy Lee over Waslienko anyday....when Paddy is coming off the bench...
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 08, 2006, 11:39:03 AM
33,

I don't know that Mary Washington can be counted out for the top seed. I think it will be between YCP, CUA, and UMW (in no particular order) for the top three seeds with the hottest team down the stretch taking the top spot. Being the top seed is key (for the obvious reason of home court advantage) but also, you don't want to be the third seed and traveling to #2 for Thursday's semifinal.

It should be three great weeks of hoops as we head down the stretch.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 08, 2006, 11:48:42 AM
33,
Neither Lee or Was played well in the first game...Lee had 4 TO's in 15 minutes, and as I recall got trapped a few times.  He didn't handle pressure from quicker guards very well in that game, at least.  I'm sure he's a better shooter so I guess it depends on what you want from your ballhandler--Catholic wants quick, penetrating guards who will look for a pass before they shoot.

YCP is right about Mary Wash--they are certainly not out of the picture, either.  Right now CUA and UMW are tied, I don't know how the tiebreaker is decided in that case.   Mary Wash's worst loss in conference is worse than the other two teams, if that matters.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: x33ycp on February 08, 2006, 12:13:28 PM
ycp....i agree, because all 3 teams still have 3 CAC games left after tonight.....but I still think whoever wins tonight will have a slight advantage over the other 2 teams going down the stretch....I know there will be alot of tiebreaker talk if Catholic wins tonight (which isnt going to happen), with all 3 teams being 8-3 in the league....A YCP win tonight pretty much knocks CUA out of a #1 seed opportunity...

Matt, I wasnt at the first game in DC....and with those numbers it doesnt look like he played very well....however, as an overall player I think Lee is better coming off the bench. Ive seen him take games over with his floor game...including last year's Sweet 16 game against WPI.....
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 08, 2006, 12:18:59 PM
33,

Glad to see that RLASHS has you working hard today :)
Nice!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: x33ycp on February 08, 2006, 12:25:23 PM
Research in the library today and tomorrow baby!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cuainfo on February 08, 2006, 02:33:08 PM
I have never posted editorials on this board, but I would like to say to Pat and D-Mac that as a  representative and for all intents and purposes, an "employee" of d3hoops.com, D-Mac's posts are usually inappropriately biased against Catholic.

I'm sure Goucher is the best 1-20 team in the country and that is great, but why do you continually take a jab at Catholic?

I'm not sure whether or not D-Mac  has a vote in the Top 25, but I certainly hope you don't.

If I am incorrect, and D-Mac is not a representative of d3hoops.com, then I apologize.  You can say anything you like, but from an outsiders view it appears as though D-Mac is the #2 man at d3hoops.com
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on February 08, 2006, 03:13:55 PM
Very big game tonight.  If York can win tonight, I would think it is very likely that York closes the gym with 33 consecutive wins.  Pretty impressive. 

On Monday the first game in school history without coach Gamber on the sidelines, let's see if the players respond like they did against Salisbury.  If the gym is hopping like that game you can expect York to be pumped up.  Looking foward to a goody.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: John Rusnak on February 08, 2006, 03:15:31 PM
Wow, Dave, what a promotion!

I think the purpose of this board is for anybody to post their opinion, regardless of how misguided it might be, however they wish to share their thoughts.

There is no rule that says that d3hoops.com "employees," or people who work tangentially around the site, cannot post their own opinions.

Even if D-mac did vote for the top 25, there is no reason he can't rip Catholic all day and praise Goucher all night.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on February 08, 2006, 03:21:47 PM
what are the lines for tonight?

Also,

who does everyone have for highest individual scorer tonight?

I got Baker (UMW) with 31.


Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on February 08, 2006, 03:22:24 PM
Negative one karma?

Come on!


Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 08, 2006, 03:26:02 PM
Well, it sort of depends on what the board is, doesn't it?  Journalism? I don't know.

This is really the ONLY source for unbiased information about d3hoops.  Its like if the only source about sports were espn.com.   ESPN has writers and columnists who are supposed to give opinions, but I don't know that the new network ombudsoman from the Post would be particularly comfortable if somebody responsible for the content/factual information on the site were also editorializing, would they?

But of course this site might not be intended to be as 'journalistic' as that or what it has become.  It all depends on what the site is supposed to be, I don't know.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on February 08, 2006, 03:32:38 PM
Journalists? They're almost as bad as press secretaries! Or worse, CUA fans!

;)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 08, 2006, 04:23:55 PM
Worse...at least press secretary's agendas are clear!


Mid-Atlantic
1. York (Pa.) 16-2 18-2
2. Widener 16-3 17-3
3. Ursinus 15-3 16-5
4. Lincoln 11-4 19-4
T5. Alvernia 14-3 17-4
T5. Johns Hopkins 14-3 16-4
7. Catholic 13-4 15-5
8. Messiah 13-5 14-7
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: John Rusnak on February 08, 2006, 05:04:38 PM
I think when it comes to the journalism or reporting side, Pat is extremely unbiased and reports the facts.

When he goes on the boards or to other areas, he expresses his opinions the same way anybody else does on here...and probably more logical than many.

No surprise that York is at the top of the rankings for the region.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 08, 2006, 06:18:52 PM
Quote from: cuainfo on February 08, 2006, 02:33:08 PM
I have never posted editorials on this board, but I would like to say to Pat and D-Mac that as a  representative and for all intents and purposes, an "employee" of d3hoops.com, D-Mac's posts are usually inappropriately biased against Catholic.

I'm sure Goucher is the best 1-20 team in the country and that is great, but why do you continually take a jab at Catholic?

What has he said that I have missed? Come out of left field and give me some better examples.

I'll say this: I've never given up my right to an opinion on these boards and I don't ask the people who assist on the site to do the same either. Dave McHugh is the host of Hoopsville, which is "Sponsored by Goucher College and D3hoops.com," as the show says each week.

I'm not about to say Dave is unbiased, but let's be honest -- you aren't either.

Matt: George Solomon might not be comfortable with ESPN people editorializing but it doesn't stop it from happening. At least they haven't had one of those Dream Job debacles lately. You know, the ones where Al Jaffee sits there and tells contestants what not to do and Stu Scott, the host, does them on every single SportsCenter he works.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: dayv4life on February 08, 2006, 07:06:05 PM
so true on stuart scott! doesnt that guy drive you nuts??

huge game in york tonight......if york fails to defend their home court tonight, what would a tie breaking procedure be in the CAC for a two or three team tie?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on February 08, 2006, 08:40:14 PM
Halftime at Goolrick
UMW 48, GOU 18

UMW is 8-18 on threes. Lee and Baker with 11 each.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 08, 2006, 08:40:42 PM
Hoopsville is reporting York 30, Catholic 26 at the half.

The incredibly biased Dave McHugh predicted York would win by 10 on its home floor and so far York is a point short of halfway there.

And yes, Stu Scott does drive me nuts. And I no longer am familiar with CAC tiebreakers, sorry.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 08, 2006, 08:48:39 PM
At the Half from YCP...

YCP 30-CUA 26

An extremly physical game which does not benefit York. Shane Sowden leads the Cardinals with 10 points while Chad McGowan has nine points to pace York.

Dwyer plays just eight minutes due to two fouls while McGowan also had to take an early seat as he played 12 minutes.

We may set a record for uncalled illegal screens in tonight's game.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 08, 2006, 08:50:18 PM
Stu Scott is by far the least talented ESPN anchor. The worst part, he has spawned a million Stu-wanna-be's. Awful!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 08, 2006, 08:50:47 PM
And by the way, McHugh might be the most Biased person on the planet :)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 08, 2006, 09:37:03 PM
Yeah. Sure. :)

Final: York 73, Catholic 46, Dave reports.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on February 08, 2006, 09:50:43 PM
Pretty Dominant by York...

Looks like the CAC's will run through York again.
The place was into it from the first tip til the end of the game.  Fan were going nuts before the tip-off.  It's amazing how York blows people out on this court.  29 in a row and probably will end up being 33.  It looked like the Salisbury game all over again.  The crowd took them out of their game pretty early. 

Refs were absolutely terrible.

Anyone who saw the game, do you think this team will lose on their home floor in the CAC's?  Mary Washington played them the best by running the ball up the court.  Salisbury and Catholic can not play here, especially with the crowd how they were today.  Kudos to Jeff Gamber after missing his first game in 29 years. 

Any other scores to report.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on February 08, 2006, 09:56:12 PM
Live from Field House..

St. Mary's - 53
Gallaudet - 72   FINAL

Halftime: GU lead 35-28
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on February 08, 2006, 10:12:22 PM
UMW 90 - GOU 54

Lee leads the way with 19....
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 08, 2006, 10:23:22 PM
Final box from York...

http://www.ycp.edu/sports/mens_basketball/2005/YCPMBB22.HTM
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on February 08, 2006, 10:27:13 PM
It was an amazing game from the Spartans. They were feeding off the crowd and vice versa. There was so much hustle it is hard to point out individuals but you have to take your hat off to two guys who did a lot that doesn't show in the box. Paddy Lee had 9 assists but was all over the floor and is always a spark when he is out there. Kenny Fass had 4 offensive boards but again like Lee he was playing lock down D and had a hand in every face and was closing off passing lanes all over the place. McGowan lead with 18 and Bushy and Singer each had 13 but this was a total team effort. The crowd was amazing and I don't know what a team would have to do to win in the Kitchen but I know they would have to have an amazing night to do so. I don't think York hit one three in the first half, but I'm not sure. They attacked on both sides of the floor and when they started to pull away the threes started to come. There was great ball movement and shot selection, all in all an amazing performance. No matter how bad the refs may have been, there is no way you can say they factored in the outcome of this game.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on February 08, 2006, 10:34:15 PM
I almost forgot, congrats to Coach Gamber for another 20 win season.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: eaglefan on February 08, 2006, 10:37:52 PM
Nice win for the Eagles!
Sorry to see the Cardinals fall- yea right!
Makes for an interesting game when the Spartans come to Goolrick.
What is the tie breaker scenario?  Come on Pat, show us the light.
Go Eagles, and yes Bobcats!!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on February 08, 2006, 10:41:51 PM
Very impressive effort from York tonight.  After a sluggish first half, the Spartans got it rolling right after halftime and pretty much dominated on both ends, especially on the boards.  McGowan is one heck of a player.  Catholic looked flustered in the second half and had a horrendous night from beyond the arc.  The Kitchen provides a huge advantage for York - it would take a phenomenal effort from a visiting team to knock off the Spartans in that bandbox.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 08, 2006, 11:29:25 PM
Details from YCP...

The Spartans were led by Chad McGowan as the reigning CAC Rookie-of-the-Year poured in a team-high 18 points. McGowan added six rebounds and three steals to the Spartan attack. The sophomore forward was 7-for-11 from the floor and 4-for-6 from the line as he continues to establish himself as one of the best players in the CAC. Senior Brandon Bushey gave another stellar performance as he tallied 13 points on 6-of-8 shooting from the floor. Bushey also contributed six rebounds and an assist. Fellow senior Brian Singer also tallied 13 points as the center was 5-for-9 from the floor and 3-for-3 from the charity stripe. Singer also had three rebounds and a pair of blocked shots. Kenny Fass contributed nine points, five rebounds, and two steals to the green and white while senior Paddy Lee did not score but handed out a career-high nine assists in addition to grabbing three rebounds, blocking two shots and collecting a steal in 19 minutes of work.

Shane Sowden took home the top scoring honors as he tallied 20 points on 6-of-13 shooting from the floor. Sowden went 8-for-14 from the charity stripe while he also had three rebounds. Pat Dwyer was the other Cardinal in double figures with 10 points and three rebounds. Dwyer handed out a team-high four assists. Nick Olivero was the only other Cardinal to have more than three points as he tallied five for the game.

The York defense was outstanding for the contest as Catholic shot 34.8% from the floor including a miserable 28% (6-for-21) in the second half. Conversely, York converted 55.6% of their shots from the field including a blistering 60.7% (17-for-28) in the second stanza. The Spartans out-rebounded the Cardinals 39-23 and held a significant 44-26 edge in points in the paint. Catholic, with their 26 points in the paint and their 12 free throws made, got just eight points from outside the paint and six of those came in the first 2:58 of the game on threes by Olivero and Dwyer.

Great win for the green and white. The Spartans played a very strong game at home but they must be ready for the long trip to St. Mary's. The Seahawks would love to notch an upset so the Spartans will need to be prepared.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 09, 2006, 12:23:42 AM
Well, a meeting I had late in the day got rescheduled, so that freed me up to make the drive.  I'm glad I did, because nobody else from the Catholic side of things is probably going to post on here after that.

Let me say this--in all the time following CUA basketball, which for me started in 1998, I have never, ever seen what I saw tonight--a Catholic team that at least looked it quit--early.  Not every guy, not every play, but there was a discernable lack of hustle, composure, effort that manifested itself especially in rebounding and giving up easy baskets.   It was really, really troubling---and I should make a point to exempt Shane Sowden, because he worked hard the whole game, and he wasn't the only one, but York came out swinging in the second half, and instead of responding like they did the first game or against Mary Wash, they just looked frustrated and defeated.  York had guards charging in totally unobstructed for offensive rebounds!  That's just effort, there's nothing a coach can do.  Really, really puzzling. 

Sure, York played a great second half, ran some nice plays, etc.  But  Catholic was 6 for 21!  NOTHING was going in.  Shane got to the foul line a lot tonight, but I don't think got more than one of those shots he got fouled on to go in...just could not get the bounce.  Catholic was moving the ball in and out pretty well, but the guards that were feeding it were not scorers---Kelly and Waslienko--they had some looks but they just aren't shooters.  Nobody could hit anything tonight anyway--even free throws.

So, anyway, I suppose some of the York fans think they're team is really THAT good and Catholic is THAT bad, which doesn't make a lot of sense...if Catholic were that bad, they'd be looking up Goucher right now.  Frankly, if they play that bad on Saturday, they WILL be looking up at Goucher on the scoreboard anyway.  There is absolutely no way Catholic could have beaten York under any circumstances if tonight was representative, hopefully most of the posters on here know that.  Good team + home court + ridiculously bad night = blowout.  I just hope they got home safely, that's how bad a night they had.  There was nothing else that could have even gone wrong for them in that second half.

Brian Singer is a house.  I thought he got away with a lot of push offs, but he's such a precense over there.  He really dictated York's offense and without him I suspect Catholic would have actually led at halftime.  I know the stat sheet says that McGowan had the better game, but I thought Singer was great.

I'm glad I'm not the one bringing up the officials...but I really thought there was a rule against a team having the same official 2 games in a row.  Apparently not, because our friend Gene was back and God Awful.  And for some reason Joe Palmer, who is a good ref, never took charge of this game and let Gene dictate it.

There is one little sliver I'm going to hold on to---Paddy Lee is not a good ballhandler. I know, for whatever reason the York fans love him and I'm sure he's a great guy and a good player, but he's not the guy you want taking the ball up the court.  4 more turnovers tonight, travel, etc...

Alright, well York is sure in the driver's seat for the #1 seed.  Catholic's got to regroup, I'm sure led by D-Mac Goucher would love to come in and get a W at DuFour. 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 09, 2006, 12:57:34 AM
Matt,

First, Brian Singer doesn't get away with a quarter of what Dwyer and Sowden did tonight. Dwyer was as physical in getting position or going for rebounds as anyone on the floor and got away with alot. The next screen that Sowden sets without moving will be his first. York should have been ahead more at the half but the physical play put McGowan on the bench with two fouls with about seven minutes left.

I don't think any reasonable fan thinks York is 27 points better than Catholic. York played well at home against a team that beat them earlier in the year. They play well at home and the enviroment was great for Division III basketball.

Maybe one of the reasons that "NOTHING" was going in for Catholic was because York played really well defensively.

"York had guards charging in totally unobstructed for offensive rebounds!"...Maybe that's why York leads the league in rebounding margin. The guards do an outstanding job of rebounding especially Kenny Fass who had three put backs off offensive rebounds. He does that to everyone so don't feel like your team is the only one it has happened to.

And bringing up the officials, are you kidding me? You continue to lose credibility when you lose by 27 and then comment about the officials. The Cardinals shot 24 free throws to just 11 for York. If there was a team to complain about the officiating it was York (which actually wasn't that bad as CAC crews go). Sowden gets away with an unbelievable amount of contact without getting called (at least tonight). He got to the line 14 times, three more than the Spartans did as a team. I would be interested to hear, other than Singer's physical play, what you believed was so bad about the officials.

"So, anyway, I suppose some of the York fans think they're team is really THAT good and Catholic is THAT bad, which doesn't make a lot of sense..."
I don't think any York fan with a brain in their head feels that way. To assume that is ridiculous. The Spartans, and those around the program, have nothing but respect for the Cardinals and what they have accomplished as a program. Catholic has long been the gold standard for the CAC and their history is one to be respected. 

And I know it may kill you but how about giving York a little bit of credit other than "Sure, York played a great second half, ran some nice plays, etc.  But "

By the way, Lee had nine assists in the game. He doesn't always look pretty doing what he does but there is no arguement that he makes plays for YCP.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 09, 2006, 01:19:07 AM
Scott,

For one thing, where did I ever say the officials called a bad game which hurt Catholic??? It was 2 prior York fans who said the officials were horrible, I agree.  I didn't say they were BIASED, I didn't say they favored anybody, I just said they were bad.  Do you disagree with me?  Otherwise get off my back. I'm not making any excuses, don't act like I am.  The officials had absolutely NOTHING to do with the outcome of this game, can I be more clear for you than that?  I thought, given that it was a 27 point game, that was obvious.

And I'm sorry, there's no question that York played great defense which obviously contributed to Catholic's offensive struggles, but last time I checked nobody is playing defense on free throws (50%).  That's 12 points Catholic left on the board right there, 7 if you're talking about their average.  Catholic had open looks at the basket, particularly 3's and just flat out missed.  Stolz had 2 wide open looks, for instance, and missed then both badly.

That happens to teams, they have off nights.  If there are two quality teams playing each other, you don't get blown out by 27 points without having a bad night, and some of it has to be your own doing.  Maybe you're saying York's defense was that good, I don't know.  I think it was good, but for God's sake they had help.

As for the rebounding, if you don't box out, you're going to give up offensive rebounds.  We've got all kinds of size in there, but if nobody boxes out, guess what's going to happen? Good teams box out. York did, Catholic didn't tonight.  There's never an excuse for a guard to come in untouched on a rebound.  The York guards fight for rebounds, but half the time tonight they didn't even have to, they were the only ones fighting.  That's why I'm bothered by this game so much.

You can be an outstanding passer and make your teammates look good like Lee does without being a good ballhandler. 

I don't think we're disagreeing as much as you think we are here, you're just posting from a York point of view which is that 'my guys played a great game', and I'm posting from a Catholic point of view which is that MY guys played a horrible game.

But its not a mutually exclusive position.  I didn't detail how well York played because that was pretty well covered.  I highly doubt you're going to get another Catholc poster on here willing to talk about this performance tonight. 




Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 09, 2006, 01:41:27 AM
Matt,

This is how your previous years of posts hurt you. Everyone thinks you're blaming something on the refs when it's plainly clear you didn't say anything like that. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on February 09, 2006, 07:49:56 AM
On another topic... :)
Congrats to Mike "Mad Dog" Mattson with 10 points last night for UMW. He's really had to step up his minutes after AJ went down with injury, and has done a great job for UMW, playing a lot more minutes and doing a good job off the bench. Way to go senior!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: x33ycp on February 09, 2006, 08:33:48 AM
thoughts from last night......

First of all, great environment to play a basketball game, and that's why YCP has been so tough at home over the last 2 years....

Refs were not very good, but bad for both sides....

CUA's guard play was horrible...Satalin, Olivero, Fumai--3-13, 7pts....1 shot for Satalin???? I really think it had alot to do with the halfcourt defense of YCP.....CUA didnt have enough playmakers, other than Sowden, (Dwyer at times) to really make a big run....Bench...CUA- 3-13, 7pts....YCP-8-16, 20 pts.....put that to rest.

I took 2 things away from the game last night...

1. CUA doesnt have the firepower to come into to Wolf Gym and win....its that simple. York has too many weapons, and CUA doesnt have enough weapons to beat YCP in York. I really think that place is worth 10-12 points.

2. Chad McGowan was the best player on the floor last night...if he's not the front-runner for POY I dont know who is!! 18pts. in 25 minutes....he took good shots all night and would have scored 20+ easy if he hadnt been in foul trouble....I know people will disagree about him being POY, but he's the best player on the best team in the CAC. I remember Matt Hilleary having very similiar numbers and winning the award, when Andy O' Brien was putting up 23 a game for a second place YCP team a couple years ago....and the argument was that he won the award because of the success of his team....anybody agree?? disagree??
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on February 09, 2006, 09:30:32 AM
Looking forward to FEb 18 at teh Goolrick!
Hopefully, the Eagles can run with the Sparts.....
Could you A.J back in the lineup...we'll see how his ankle progresses....

Peace!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on February 09, 2006, 09:55:32 AM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on February 09, 2006, 01:19:07 AM

And I'm sorry, there's no question that York played great defense which obviously contributed to Catholic's offensive struggles, but last time I checked nobody is playing defense on free throws (50%). 


I think the student Section had that covered.


33-

I would throw my vote for Chad for POY into the ring. Check my old posts going all the way back to the end of last season and I have been saying he was going to end up as one  the best players in the CAC. (I know you dont have to be a baskeball guru to have seen that) Here are a few things I think Chad has in his favor for POY, and that I also think make him a shoe in for 1st team all CAC.

   17.5 PPG, 5.8 RPG. 30 BLk (1.36 PG) 21 STLS (Almost 1 PG) 2 Asts PG and 42 Off Reb (1.9 PG)

Also Chad has lead the team in points 12 out of 22 games (all wins) and Boards 11 times. All of this on a team that focuses on team play and no one player being a star. Brandon was First team last year at 16PPG so i think that is covered.

I think Justin Baker will get a look as well as The big two at Goucher, and Haney,  but I agree with Steve that what you do to help your team win should play the biggest role. If it were to go to Garritt, Russo or Haney I think total career would play a larger role than what they did to help their team win this year. I would like to hear from D-Mac, the UMW folks and Gally and SAL what they think would put their guys up front.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 09, 2006, 10:18:10 AM
Rat,
How can we have a discussion about POY and leave out the leading scorer in the league? I'm not exactly on record as being a fan of Tyson Lesense, but he's averaging 22.5 ppg and 4.8 rpg.  He takes a lot of shots but he's shooting in the 46% range.

I don't know who should win yet. But you have to give Lesense serious consideration.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on February 09, 2006, 10:21:27 AM
I think UMW Baker should desrve metion along with Mike Lee. Mike Lee has done alot to help/hurt UMW's offensive schemes. He draws so many sets of eyes on him everytime he touches the ball, makes a cut, etc. This has opened up the inside for Baker, Pierce, the Whitworth kids....However, they shoot way too many three's. They have a ton of hustle players but no dominant inside guys...I'd like to see what Coach Wood could do with Dwyer inside.....

There are tons fo kids in the league that can really play.

Dweyer
Lee
Baker
Garrit
Haney
Bushey
McGowan


etc....
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 09, 2006, 10:25:25 AM
Geez...Lesense can play, too guys...
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on February 09, 2006, 10:30:57 AM
Mea Culpa. (Latin for My Bad, you may have noticed I love the dead language) I did my list based on the guys I have seen this year who impressed me and I didn't see Tyson because he didn't play at the kitchen. Had I looked at the leader board I would have put him in there for sure. I'm sure after Saturday I will be more than aware of his scoring ability as I listen to the game on the radio. He has to go into the discussion as well, his numbers are solid and I can attest to what St. Marys looks like with out him on the floor and it wasn't pretty. Again My Bad.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on February 09, 2006, 10:38:16 AM
Geez.. Lesesne didn't impress me a lot last night, he is just a good player on a bad team. But I know that he carry the whole load of the team this year for St. Mary's but his performance was stuffed by the Bison D last night.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on February 09, 2006, 11:04:28 AM
I'll be Justin Baker's PR guy now...
He was leading the CAC in rebounding and was second in scoring when our point guard was injured over three weeks ago. In the last nine games, he has switched to point guard from small forward, continued to score, and led the league in assists in that period (eight more last night). And we have stayed one game back of first place with basically five players since then.
He has improved so much in one year... More in one year than anyone I've seen in the CAC in the last ten years that I can recall. I agree McGowan is awesome, and don't want to take anything away from any of the other guys mentioned, but Justin can barely walk after every game, he puts forth so much and gets every ounce out of his ability in every game. Plus he is usually hounding the opposition's best player on defense, whether they be 6-7 (McGowan) or a point guard (Lesesne).
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 09, 2006, 11:08:47 AM
I think the whole thing with all conference comes down to two philosophies.

One, is the All-CAC team a reward for a great individual season regardless of the teams finish or
two, is the All-CAC team the best players from the best team.

Having been privy to counting the votes for seven years when I did the CAC stuff, I can tell you most coaches go with the first option but there are a few who view it as the second option. There are few new coaches in the league since I left so it is really hard to judge. There are also a one or two coaches who try to manipulate the vote to try to help their players which is as unethical as it gets (and it doesn't just happen in basketball, it's an across the board problem).

I also think if you look at the history of the All-CAC teams, the successful individual players on bad teams have gotten recognized over players with slightly less statistical numbers on good teams.

I guess its all in how you look at it.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 09, 2006, 11:19:34 AM
I don't really agree with the prevailing philosophy, either--I'm not pushing Lesense, I'm just saying he belongs in the discussion.

Nothing against the Gally duo--great players, both--but the upper echelon of the league was underepresented in the All CAC's last year.  This year, of course, Gally is much better, so I'd personally weigh their perfomance a little more favorably.

Of course, there's still has to be a place for a guy like Jonathan Garritt, too.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: x33ycp on February 09, 2006, 11:40:29 AM
If Salisbury can knock off Mary Wash on Sat at Sal... and YCP can take care of St. Mary's...YCP would be dormie (Im itching to play some golf) with 2 to play. Salisbury has not been playing very well as of late....however it looked like the they gave Mary Wash a heck of battle at Goolrick earlier this year....Gallaudet scares the living **** out of me....thats a team I wouldnt want to play...
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on February 09, 2006, 11:51:49 AM
as an O's fan I know all about the "best player on a bad team" idea when it comes to awards. As  Cal Ripken about it. I think Player of the Year and 1st team should echo the second philosophy Scott outlined but that requires a lot more study of the options. Its like the argument over the D1 football coaches poll, can we ask them to know all of the little things that go into it when they have a ton of things to be doing. Granted one of those things is scouting and they of all people should see those things so they can think of a way to stop them. Maybe Pat needs to get on a poll for fan voting, one vote per screen name......can I get more than one?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on February 09, 2006, 12:09:43 PM
First off I want to comment that I was talking about the officating for both sides just not York.  There was a lot of bad calls all game.

Another thing I am just not some York fan talking about how good they are but look at the facts.  York has had 2 bad games this year and they only lost each game by 2.  Teams come into Wolf and just get blown out with the exception of Mary Washington.  I am not saying Catholic is bad but now they know they will be coming back here to play for the Conference title if they get here and frankly can anyone see York losing a game their after last night.  The reason they shoot so poorly was because of the crowd.  The crowd took them right out of the game and if anyone thinks otherwise I really do not know what game you were watching.  I'm sorry but Brian Singer gets hacked every play.  Yes he gets away with things but I think teams think the refs will not call it.  Over the last couple of home games, Brian Singer has been real effective from the line.  You need to give credit, when credit is due and say York blew them out regardless of how Catholic shot.  Every shot was contested, and that's what lead to all those bad shots. 

What is the tiebreaker if York does lose to Mary Wash and Mary Wash wins out?  Mary Wash has that bad loss to Goucher, does that determine it.

Thanks
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on February 09, 2006, 12:29:20 PM
Does the loss to GOu even count? Or would it go to Regional W/L? York would have the advantage bc they virtually play only regional games while UMW went out of region early in the season. 

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 09, 2006, 12:41:21 PM
I believe, in my previous experience with the CAC, the following is true....

If YCP and UMW with their next two games (by no means a certainty either way), the winner of the game on Feb. 18 at Goolrick wins the top seed. If YCP wins, they are all alone in first and are the first seed. If UMW wins, they are tied with York and hold the second tie breaker which would be, they swept SAL and York split. (if I am wrong, someone, like the official CAC SID if he is in the office on this fine Thursday, let me know).

As I said, this is based on the Spartans and Eagles each winning their next two, which in this league is no given at all.

Still a lot of basketball remaining to be played with three regular season games left.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: x33ycp on February 09, 2006, 12:46:28 PM
I think....but not sure...that this is how it would work out....maybe pat or scott could verify this....

If Mary Wash would win out, inlcuding a win over YCP, they would get the #1 seed.

First tiebreaker would be head to head....which would be 1-1
You would then go to the team with the next best record....which would be CUA....both would be 1-1....then Gally both would be 2-0 (If YCP beats them next week)..It would then go to Salisbury.....which Mary Wash would be 2-0 and YCP would be 1-1....thats why it would be really nice for Salisbury to beat Mary Wash on Sat.....I really hope it doesnt come down to that last game at Goolrick....1 of YCPs 2 losses before the Final Four last year came down there.....tough place to win.....that said YCP still has control of their own destiny.....but then again so does Mary Wash...
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: x33ycp on February 09, 2006, 12:48:11 PM
I couldnt get it out fast enough!!! Thanks Scott
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 09, 2006, 01:13:17 PM
SS,

Silly students probably bothering you while you were trying to post. Darn Kids!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on February 09, 2006, 01:30:58 PM
The following is not meant in jest or as a cut.

Catholic does lead the nation in one area that some don't care about. I love their warm up pants. Seriously, the red and white vertical stripes are great. I don't know how that factors into tie breakers but there it is.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 09, 2006, 01:46:00 PM
Ha. Yeah, I love the candy stripes too.  At home in particular--they are a perfect match for Indiana's look.  When they first got them, my thought was that they had better be good to pull off that look.

So, if York beats MW, and Catholic wins out, Catholic and Mary Wash would be tied for 2nd at 10-4.  Who wins that tiebreaker? I would think it would be Catholic, since they would have beaten York once, and Mary Wash didn't, and on the other end Mary Wash has a loss to the worst team in the league.

That #2 seed is HUGE...you do NOT want to be on the road on Thursday night. Particularly if that means a trip to Fredericksburg. 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on February 09, 2006, 01:52:10 PM
I believe Scott is right with the tiebreaker, that being said I think Mary Washington's big game is this Saturday while York's scare should come from Gally next Wednesday.  Should be interesting to see if Mary Wash loses this Saturday and York wins how rowdy those fans will be for back-to-back CAC championships. 

Personally I hate those stripped pants, they look like the globe trotters.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on February 09, 2006, 02:58:46 PM
I think we've figured out that MW's loss to Goucher doesn't have much to do with tiebreakers because the tiebreakers sort the seeds out before it gets to records vs. Goucher.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: John Rusnak on February 09, 2006, 02:59:21 PM
The tie breaker is based on your record against the next best team.  It's a little perverse because you get punished for losing to a good team versus the team that lost to a bad team.

Same discussion every year, but that's how they do it.

With that said, I definitely would not want to draw Gally in the first or second round of the tournament.  In the end it will just give York a better road to the title again.

As for the POY discussion, you almost have to give it to the guy that is on the best team.  You can make your first team anybody you want, but POY should go to somebody on a team that was successful.

No question Jon G is a candidate, but with Goucher struggling, you just can't do that.   JG, Chad, the SMC kid, they are all in a relatively tight range of talent and ability.  Nobody is Lebron or Mello, so break the tie by giving credit to the one who is doing it on a better team.

First team right now:

McGowan
Garritt
Lesense (never seem him, is he that good?)
Haney
Baker

I would throw F Jackson in the mix as well.  I've always liked him more than Haney, but all stats point in the other direction.

Others for discussion: Odemeru, Bushey, Sowden, Lee...I don't know any of the other new guys.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 09, 2006, 03:03:42 PM
In picking my 1st Team All-CAC I will NOT have any CUA players on my squad! NEVER!!! I hate the Cardinals!

WHAT?!

Well, the attack came out of no where and if anyone really knows me, I hold CUA to a high standard. I was in the gym when they won the national title and I know what they have been capable of. However, I am not impressed with thier squad or some of their players. As an individual and as someone who is a "media type", I am entitled to express that opinion. If you don't like it... ask me if I care?!

I was at the YCP/CUA game and have side with "ycp" on the officiating. I thought it was actually a well officiated game. They let the teams play and it didn't become a whistle-every-possesion-game. You might want a whistle for EVERY bit of contact, I am not a fan of those type of games. The double-foul on McGowan and Dwyer was the right call, the carry-violation on Howard was the right call, the contact calls in the paint where also right. Just because they don't call it everytime doesn't mean they are calling the game badly. "ycp" does bring up the point that YCP was called for far more fouls than CUA and if Sowden new what a actual "legal" screen was, it would shock me (rant later next week). But the game didn't get out of hand, no calls changed the momentum of the game, and neither team was screwed.

Matt - the "rule" about reffing two games in a row I don't think is a rule... just a rumor people thought was true.

As for the actual game... YCP out played, out shot, out smarted, and out hustled CUA. Plain and simple. CUA played the first 10 minutes of the game well, the second 10 minutes OK, and then fell asleep. Yes, they shot 50% from the line, 28% from the floor in the 2nd half, and were out-rebounded by 13 or more, but those stats didn't show CUA change its game plan when the original was working.

They were being physical, moving the ball around on offense well, and going inside and outside well for open shots. But apparently the decision was made to spread out the offense. So later in the game the Cardinals had four players beyond the three-point line, with one player in the paint, and passed the ball around the premieter with the obvious intent of getting it inside. Everyone in the building knew they weren't going to hit a shot from outside the way they were shooting, so YCP sat back and baited them into passes. It couldn't have been more obvious that Fass and Lee were going to double-team the post. They were letting their player be wide-open outside (one pass away) while they camped down low for the double-team. CUA simply changed their game-plan for the worse and YCP fed off them.

No, YCP is probably not THAT much better than CUA and CUA is probably not THAT bad as a team. But it did show one thing, CUA has lost that toughness and cockiness it used to walk in with.

I don't understand why this team couldn't be SO much better. Sowden (who I have not praised) could be a great player, but he is missing something that makes him go for it (like the easily missed two-handed dunk). He can play, but he doesn't seem motivated enough when ever I have seen him play, to just take over a game (like McGowan did). Dwyer is a very good talent who is very physical, but he can mentally break-down and beat himself completly out of a game. And that leaves you with the guards... who simply look confused. There is no chemistry with the Cardinals guards. One set is on one page, one set is on another. Wasilenko and Kelley have been demoted and look like they don't care about playing with the team. The other guys try, but are too young.

CUA could be a great team... but they can't put it all together.

YCP is a good team... that is putting it all together to be great.

There is the difference in these teams!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 09, 2006, 03:18:30 PM
Quote from: allfirst on February 09, 2006, 02:59:21 PM
No question Jon G is a candidate, but with Goucher struggling, you just can't do that.   JG, Chad, the SMC kid, they are all in a relatively tight range of talent and ability.  Nobody is Lebron or Mello, so break the tie by giving credit to the one who is doing it on a better team.

First team right now:
McGowan
Garritt
Lesense (never seem him, is he that good?)
Haney
Baker

I would throw F Jackson in the mix as well.  I've always liked him more than Haney, but all stats point in the other direction.

Others for discussion: Odemeru, Bushey, Sowden, Lee...I don't know any of the other new guys.

POY right now I think goes to McGowan, but I don't want to dismiss Garritt.

Just for arguments sake, Garritt doesn't deserve to not be counted, just because his team is 1-19. Example:
My junior year in college, Goucher's soccer team went 0-17 for the season. I played on the team as the back-up goalie and had to start three games after a cheap hit by a Marymount player, caused our starter (Jeff Lowe) to miss the games. I finished the Marymount game and played against Salisbury (got throttled). And while we were 0-17, 12 of those games were 2 goals or less margins of defeat. Lowe was named 1st team All-CAC Goalie (only one selected). The conference realized while we were not the best team on paper, Lowe was the best goalie in the conference... even missing a game and a half against conference opponents.
That said... Garritt deserves at least to be thought of because, while the team has struggled, he has kept them in game, after game, after game. He also beat UMW single-handedly. He almost dragged a very tired Gophers to another win over SAL. He has played more than 30 minutes a game and does it both ends of the court.

But, McGowan has played a great year as well. CUA had no answer for him last night. He might only be a second-year player, but he is playing like a veteran. He certainly is one of the best players in this conference.

My 1st Team:
McGowan
Bushy
Garritt
Baker
Lesesne (honorable mention right now, haven't seen him play) or Dwyer

2nd Team:
Haney (who I think is a bit overrated)
Sowden
Williams, R. or Russo
Lesesne or Dwyer
Fass

Odumeru is too inconsistent, can't put an entire game together night in and night out.
Lee has had a horrible season and is not a consistent player this year.

POY - McGowan or Garritt
ROY - tough to say, no one has stood out.
Coach/Year - Gamber or DeStefano
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on February 09, 2006, 03:40:14 PM
Lee is having an off year, not a horrible year.

1. one of 3 Jr (only one Sr on the team who sees time mainly in backing up Jr Fitzgerald who is out, and the other Jr barly sees the court)
2. No inside presence for UMW (Baker has been running point since Fitzgerald went down.)
3. Draws double teams nightly.
4. Still averaging 14.8 PPG. 40% 3PT 5.2 RPG 3.7 APG 1.76 SPG.....Still a good line

So not a horrbile season esp since they're still in 2nd with a chance of winning out and grabbing the #1


also, for reference: Bakers line  19.3 PPG  40 % 3PT 7.5 RPG 3.7 APG 1.1 SPG

so, again, not horrible.....


Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on February 09, 2006, 03:57:15 PM
Gallaudet cruised over Seahawks in it's avenged victory at Field House!

SMCM Seahawks - 53
@Gallaudet Bison - 72
Halftime: GU lead 35-28

Gallaudet won 72-53 over St. Mary's College of Maryland Seahawks at Field House in front of big crowd that included the HBO camera crew and Tyson Lesesne's fan club. HBO will feature Gallaudet Men's Basketball team in special show that suppose to be air on March 7th. More details about that can be found by click into this link, http://athletics.gallaudet.edu/mbbhbo.php. Lesesne had some interesting fan club at the Field House, one of the sign stated that "Tyson, we found this 46 grams in your locker room". It's obivious was relate to old posts in past on our posting up page.

Bison's stingy defense led the way to shut down Seahawks' offense and mostly, the Lesesne's one-man show. Lesesne got 7 points in first half with 3-6 FG, and 1-2 3FG but along with 7 of team's 16 turnovers. Lesesne end up with just 15 points compare to last game, which he bombed the Bison with 27 points. Follow up with Lesesne's 15 points were 8 points by Way III, Wise and Sullivan scored 7 points each and rest of them were shut down so badly. Gallaudet's highest lead were 22 points in mid-late second half.

St. Mary's:
Lesesne - 15 points (6-13 FG, 2-5 3FG, 1-2 FT), 8 TOs (7 in 1st half), 3 assists, 3 steals and 3 rebounds
Way III - 8 points, and 4 rebounds
Wise - 7 points and 7 rebounds
Sullivan - 7 points
Preston - 5 points
Engelstad, Jordan and Carr - 2 points each

Gallaudet:
Weedon - 20 points and 3 steals
Haney, Jr. - 18 points, 5 rebounds, 6 assists, 5 steals and 2 blocks
DaSilva - 12 points
Mowl - 10 points, 5 assists, 3 rebounds, and 2 steals
Johnson - 9 rebounds, 4 assists

Gallaudet (13-9, 6-5) renew it's winning streak once again and improve to 13-9, 6-5. The Seahawks of the St. Mary's drop to 8-13, 3-8. After the lost to York at home, Gallaudet had a +15.2 margin in last 5 games which result in 4-1 record (only a point away lost to UMW).  The Bison will take on Marymount at 4pm this saturday in Field House for final home game of the season. Bison will look to avenge it's lost on the road at Marymount, after leading at the halftime in Verizon Arena. Also, during that night, we will honor those 8 seniors in their own Seniors' Night.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: unreallawns on February 09, 2006, 08:31:22 PM
Either Ray Williams or Segun Odemeru should be considered for all-conference.  If those two weren't playing on the same team, they would each be averaging over 20.  They compliment each other and will be the best back court in the CAC next year.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: andre james smith on February 09, 2006, 10:42:16 PM
Sorry, but I'd take a healthy Lee and Fitzgerald in their senior year over your Seagulls....
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: unreallawns on February 10, 2006, 08:57:47 AM
Luckily I'll have the pleasure this weekend to be at the UMW/SU game and will get to see those two talented back courts in action.  Ray WIlliams outplayed Lee in the last game but not by much.  It will be interesting.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: unreallawns on February 10, 2006, 09:26:18 AM
After looking at their stats, other than points, both back courts are pretty comparable
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on February 10, 2006, 09:56:13 AM
A.J Fitzgerald should still be out this weekend. However, Baker should be running the point with Mike Lee at the 2. I'd take Baker and Lee still over SU's guards.


Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on February 10, 2006, 09:56:37 AM
Andre,

-2 karma?  No love for MW here.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on February 10, 2006, 11:12:56 AM
I really don't think Garritt should be in any talks for player of the year.  First off, your team needs to have an element where he makes them better and being 1-19 there is nothing showing he makes them better.  Lee is having an ok year after being named player of the year.  And then you look at York and for the most part it is a lot of role players.  But, if you take away McGowan, they may finish 3rd in the conference instead of first.  I'm not just saying this because i am a york college student.  I have seen the best players walk into this gym and not have many good games.  I also went to the game at Catholic and at Goucher.  So I have seen 8 games of York in conference and 9 game out of conference.  It is all about how you view this sitaution.  It is not about stats but player of the year is how you make your team better and wins and losses.  Kobe Bryant should not be the MVP for that reason.  Let's be honest Garritt deserves no votes because there going to finish with 1 win.

Looking foward to the weekends games.  Could be over by tomorrow conference wise.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 10, 2006, 11:27:27 AM
First, congrats to Catholic's Shane Sowden for being named to the District 2 Second Team Academic All District by the SID association.  He has a 3.71 GPA.   Trust me, grade inflation is not particulary prevalent at CUA (grading is still old school--a C is a C) so that's quite an accomplishment.

Second, Salem's post sort of demonstrate's why its tough for us fans to comment on things like POY, at least based on our personal observations.  We only really see our own teams consistently.

From my perspective, Chad McGowan had a flat out bad game at Catholic--7 points on 3-13 shooting.  Really was not a factor at all--Singer was.  Of course he was better at York (played a very good game), but still...I'm not seeing him as good as the York people are because I've only seen him 2 games, and one of those he wasn't very good.  Looking at his stats, clearly, he's a worthy candidate. Just goes to show how hard it us to comment on players on different teams than the one you follow. 



Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: John Rusnak on February 10, 2006, 11:37:57 AM
Unless somebody is so spectacular, you really can't make them POY when they are on a bad team.  Or at least, on the worst team.  If they were middle of the road you could make a stronger argument.

But since that isn't the case, POY will likely come from a top 4 team.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: want2b on February 10, 2006, 12:30:34 PM
folks have been beating up on cua for a while now, so ill throw myself into the discussion. people have been running shane sowden down pretty good this year. i believe that if you look at the stats (cacsports.com) he should be atleast mentioned for the poy and a lock for first team. everyone has been singing the praises of mcgowan. if you use hin as a measuring stink, i believe sowden stacks up just as well. he has played what ammounts to 2 1/2 games less than mcgowan and his stats are just as good. what he does for his team on less time is remarkable. check the stats they dont lie and they arent someones opinion.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: unreallawns on February 10, 2006, 12:56:28 PM
Just from looking at the statistics McGowan is averaging 5 more points than Sowden.  Over a season, that's alot more points.  He is also averaging one more rebound.  Yes, Sowden is playing less minutes, but why?  If he is contributing so much in less time, why isn't he playing more so he can contribute more?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: x33ycp on February 10, 2006, 12:59:06 PM
POY in my opinion is a 3 man race.....in this order at the moment..

1. Chad McGowan ( best player on best team...with good numbers)
2. Justin Baker  (does it all on a very good team)
3. Robert Haney (maybe most talented player in CAC on a much improved Gally team)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 10, 2006, 01:41:23 PM
While we are at it, I will throw this in...
Chad McGowan has had a great year and has been extremely important to York's success this year. That being said, having seen 18 of York's 22 games this year, Brandon Bushey is the most important player on a team full of talented guys. The reason I say this is twofold. One, after getting off to a slow start due to an injury he suffered in the first game of the season, he has been great during the last month and a half. If you take out the first three games he played (four games for the team) in which he scored 3 (before getting hurt) and seven and two in his next games back. In the following 16 games, he is averaging just under 15 points per game (14.8). He has reached double figures in 15 games, he is shooting 52% from the floor, 44.7% from three and 87.8% from the free throw line. He is adding 3.9 rebounds per game and has handed out just over two assists per game.
Two, Brandon is the go-to guy on a team full of players capable of "taking over" a game. Chad, Kenny Fass, and Brandon all have the ability to step up their play but Brandon has show over the course of this year, and his career, that he is not afraid to take big shots during games. Brandon has done a great job of sacrificing his personal statistics to help York win. He could have been the Spartans all-time leading scorer if he would have been more selfish but he bought into the team concept and the team has flourished, in part, because of his willingness to accept what the coaching staff was trying to accomplish.
This is in no means to lessen what Chad has done this year. He would be an easy pick as he leads the team in scoring and rebounding and, if he won, it would certainly be a a good choice. I just wanted to put in my two cents.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on February 10, 2006, 01:55:31 PM
I think all of York's top players get hurt by being so well balanced as a team, at least in POY considerations. Look what happens in the NBA where the league's best team (Pistons) get 4 of their 5 starters in the All-Star game( but watch out for Iguodala in the Dunk contest, right 33?) The other good players in the CAC tend to have their numbers stand out a little more because they carry greater load.

I can say that without Baker, UMW would be wallowing through a season without a big man and Lee getting double teamed nightly. So Baker should have that considered about him. With York's talent, take away a starter and you still have a darn good team. Then you get into the old arguement of POY vs MVP of the League vs MVP of individual teams...etc....

Pick anyone of the 4 or 5 guys that get mentioned for POY and you'll have a good arguement either way.....
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 10, 2006, 02:08:16 PM
mwcgoonie,

Well put. I think each of your points are right on.

I guess we can all speculate until the vote is done after the CAC Championship.

I think the league has a big group of talented players that all have legit claims to a spot on the all league teams.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on February 10, 2006, 02:25:07 PM
NOW I HAVE -2 KARMA?

I might get to D-mac level soon! ha!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 10, 2006, 02:30:10 PM
I have observed that complaining about karma only attracts more smites.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 10, 2006, 02:34:06 PM
Well goonie, that's also true of Catholic.

For the big men, for example, a guy like Sowden or Dwyer is sharing time with  Spirenberg, Wheeler, Baker, and Mish.  Of course he's gotten fewer minutes, shots, etc than guys on other teams.  
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on February 10, 2006, 02:36:24 PM
Yeah, well - I guess its my new goal to get past d-mac.Ha!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: want2b on February 10, 2006, 04:27:39 PM
my selection for first team all conference:

guard- lesemle of st marys (forgive spelling of name)                   
guard- lee
forward- bushey
forward baker
center- sowden
again i stated my team, not my players, by position the best team. look at the stats and tell me im wrong. as far as playing time goes, there isnt a player i know who dictates when he playes. that is a coaches decision but if you look at cau stats noone plays all that many minutes, satatlin avg-29, dwyer 25 and sowden 24. i still think for their production  their stats match up with anyone. dont sell these kids short.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 10, 2006, 05:28:02 PM
I don't think you could count Baker as a forward--he's really only played there since Fitzgerald got hurt. As far CUA representation, its a close call between Dwyer and Sowden.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Akela15 on February 10, 2006, 05:34:51 PM
Want2B, how can you leave McGowen off of the first team.  He has been dominating this year so far, especially since Bushey was injured at the beginning of the year.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 10, 2006, 05:42:07 PM
I wonder if the snow will postpone games tomorrow.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 10, 2006, 07:18:44 PM
Ursinus and Johns Hopkins changed their game times to try to beat it.

If Goucher is at home and clinging to that after-dark start time they insist on for Saturday nights, it will be a bear to get it in.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 10, 2006, 07:24:06 PM
No, Goucher is traveling to Catholic for the 4 pm start.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: coach t on February 10, 2006, 08:17:29 PM
I found the discussion regarding the All-CAC fascinating. I agree that the balloting will be a hard one as there are deserving players throughout the CAC.

I found a comment or two about the difficulty of selecting the ROY as no one has really stood out. I find this hard to believe as I have stated that Jon Mowl of Gallaudet should be the front runner.

Gallaudet struggled in the past due to the absence of a true point guard who can control the tempo of the game and lead the team to play their best, both offensively and defensively. Gallaudet has surprised alot of people this year and still is in the running to play the first CAC playoff home game ever in their history in the CAC.

In addition, I believe that Jon Mowl is in 6 or 7 categories among individual leaders in the CAC. He is first in assists, not far behind from leading the CAC with steals, minutes played, points scored, assist to turnover ratio (he will get better but among the leaders), and free throw pct.

For those of you who saw the point guard Mowl play, I am sure you will agree. He is a tough kid but truly fun to watch. He made basketball exciting. When was it that Gally was in the running for CAC positioning (away from last place) and when was it that Gally won 13 games in a season with 3 more to go.

I would like to know of a freshman who made the same impact on a team?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: BisonKiller on February 10, 2006, 10:36:39 PM
Quote from: coach t on February 10, 2006, 08:17:29 PM
I found the discussion regarding the All-CAC fascinating. I agree that the balloting will be a hard one as there are deserving players throughout the CAC.

I found a comment or two about the difficulty of selecting the ROY as no one has really stood out. I find this hard to believe as I have stated that Jon Mowl of Gallaudet should be the front runner.

Gallaudet struggled in the past due to the absence of a true point guard who can control the tempo of the game and lead the team to play their best, both offensively and defensively. Gallaudet has surprised alot of people this year and still is in the running to play the first CAC playoff home game ever in their history in the CAC.

In addition, I believe that Jon Mowl is in 6 or 7 categories among individual leaders in the CAC. He is first in assists, not far behind from leading the CAC with steals, minutes played, points scored, assist to turnover ratio (he will get better but among the leaders), and free throw pct.

For those of you who saw the point guard Mowl play, I am sure you will agree. He is a tough kid but truly fun to watch. He made basketball exciting. When was it that Gally was in the running for CAC positioning (away from last place) and when was it that Gally won 13 games in a season with 3 more to go.

I would like to know of a freshman who made the same impact on a team?

woooooooooo

Sorry I had to stay away cuz the Bisons were winning....

My sources said that HBO was in town for Gallaudet University.  Maybe they'll show some toliet paper throwing by the fans and Coach Jimmy D cussing out the fans for it....  Yes it had happened before....  Ol' Jimmy thought it was a good idea to scream  and sign "Gawd damn it....thanks alot you dumb sh1ts...we got a techinal"...I didnt know much sign language back then but did try to make out his speech.

Anyway...about the Fighting Bisons....this is what been plaguing them for years...they DO NOT have true center.  Ever since that All-American nominee Mike Kent left, its been downhill.  Believe it or not, I'm glad to see Jackson and Haney making a great run  for their last year.  If only they had a 6'8" guy...  Apparently, they've recruited a "big fellow" from the west coast (Arizona? California?) for next year.... Mowl, Luther, and a recruit makes Gallaudet a strong presence for the next few years....

Coach T... yes Mowl is good...then again you are kind of biased cuz he is a relative of yours
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 10, 2006, 10:49:11 PM
BisonKiller, keepin it real...as always.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 11, 2006, 04:40:35 PM
Halftime from the ARC at St. Mary's...

YCP 39-SMC 27
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 11, 2006, 05:41:10 PM
Final from St. Mary's....

York 83-St. Mary's 64

Chad McGowan leads all scorers with 28 points. More details after I get the box.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on February 11, 2006, 06:31:09 PM
From the Field House..

Marymount - 64
@Gallaudet - 69

The Bison improving to 14-9 overall record along with 7-5 conference record. More report to come up in next posting up soon..
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: x33ycp on February 11, 2006, 07:16:13 PM
Any final from Salisbury??? Did it get postponed??
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: andre james smith on February 11, 2006, 07:36:51 PM
The game is scheduled for 7:30 tonight, I haven't seen anything about it being cancelled yet, so i guess they are going to play it if they traveled down there....
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cuainfo on February 11, 2006, 07:40:46 PM
Catholic 80 Goucher 79.
Scott Fumai led Catholic with 27 points on 6 3s.  He was 8-13FG (6-11 3pt.).  Shane Sowden scored the first 4 points of the game for Catholic to become the 34th member of Catholic's 1,000 point club.  He finished with 14 and 9 rebounds.  
Goucher led at half 36-35.  Catholic came out in the second half and built a 14 point lead with 5:21 remaining.  Goucher started a barrage of desperation 3s to make it exciting in the end.  Each team made 13 3s for the game with Catholic shooting 13-29 and Goucher shooting 13-28.  James Russo led all scorers with 28 and 8 rebounds.  Jonathan Garritt scored 27 on 9-22 shooting.
Catholic is now 16-6 (8-4 CAC) and will travel to Salisbury on Wednesday.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 11, 2006, 07:43:29 PM
Catholic 80 Goucher 79

Crazy finish.  Catholic was up 11, but Russo and Garritt went back into Superman mode and hit a series of ridiculous 3's--include a bank shot from an angle from NBA range.  

I don't have a stat sheet, but I think Garritt had around 30 and Russo at least 24 or so.  In the beginning of the game, you could argue that CUA's defense wasn't playing tight enough, but in the 2nd half both those guys were well defended, they just made a lot of low percentage shots with guys in their faces.  That must have been how they beat Mary Wash---I can't imagine both those guys go off like that every game, but when they are both clicking they put on a show.

On Catholic's side, the Cardinals actually played pretty well. Free throws were a problem, they missed the first of 2 one and one's in the last few minutes.  But Fumai and Sowden each had good games.  Congratulations to Shane for scoring his 1,000th point tonight---ironically on a jump shot, which is typically not his forte.

Dwyer hurt his ankle and didn't play quite as much.  I think he's fine and he returned and seemed to be moving ok, but he was a little out of rhythm.  He did hit some nice corner jumpers.  Mish had some nice looks inside too.

So the close game (or finish at least) really was a product of both teams playing well.  It wasn't like York where Catholic (in my view) didn't play very well and lacked intensity---they played hard today and excecuted pretty well.  They just ran into what had to be one of Goucher's best games of the season.  If Russo and Garritt made those shots every night, there is no way they'd be a 1 win team.  In addition they got the line a LOT.  

When I seem some stats, I'll post them up.  Catholic heads down to Salisbury for a tough game Wed night.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cuainfo on February 11, 2006, 07:53:44 PM
Quote from: allfirst on February 08, 2006, 03:15:31 PM
Wow, Dave, what a promotion!

I think the purpose of this board is for anybody to post their opinion, regardless of how misguided it might be, however they wish to share their thoughts.

There is no rule that says that d3hoops.com "employees," or people who work tangentially around the site, cannot post their own opinions.

Even if D-mac did vote for the top 25, there is no reason he can't rip Catholic all day and praise Goucher all night.

Allfirst, there may be no official rule, but there are such things as professionalism and ethics which apparently don't apply to this chat board as I have been smited with a negative karma for having questioned it.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on February 11, 2006, 07:55:58 PM
UMW is playing at Salisbury...
Games were at 5:30 and 7:30 because of SU's alumni game, which they ended up not playing. UMW women won by 18, and the game ran long (of course)... I'll try and update as best I can as we go along.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 11, 2006, 08:07:16 PM
Details from YCP..

The Spartans received a game-high 28 points from sophomore Chad McGowan. McGowan continues to be a force for the Spartans as he was 12-for-22 from the floor and 4-for-6 from the free throw line while he also pulled down six rebounds and collected three steals in 29 minutes. Senior Brandon Bushey also played well as he had 15 points and four rebounds in the win. Bushey was 6-for-10 from the floor and 3-for-7 from downtown. Senior Kenny Fass added 10 points, four rebounds, three assists, and three steals off the bench for the Spartans. Senior Paddy Lee chipped in with eight points, six boards, and three assists.

Tyson Lesesne, the leading scorer in the Capital Athletic Conference, tallied 19 points and three assists for the Seahawks. Lesesne was 7-for-16 from the floor including 3-for-6 from three. He nailed his two free throws as York held him to almost three points under his season average. T.J. Jordan added 17 points, four rebounds, two steals, two blocks, and two assists to the St. Mary's attack. Jordan went a hot 5-for-9 from three but overall made just 6-of-15 from the floor. Valdez Preston was the third Seahawk in double figures with 12 points as he was 4-for-7 from three for the game. Dan Engelstad notched a game-high 10 assists in addition to scoring seven points and grabbing five rebounds.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on February 11, 2006, 09:28:34 PM
UMW/SAL going to OT...
Eagles miss three foul shots in last minute. UMW was up three with 3 seconds left, and fouled. Williams makes 1st FT, misses 2nd, but SAL gets rebound and puts in tying hoop at buzzer.
More to come...
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on February 11, 2006, 09:48:54 PM
Now going to double OT in Salisbury. Pierce hit a three late to give UMW the lead, but Odumeru hits a baseline 3 with less than 3 seconds left to tie it again...
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on February 11, 2006, 09:56:56 PM
Got cut off, but I think Salisbury won in double OT...
Too many missed FTs and offensive boards late allowed by UMW today.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on February 11, 2006, 10:10:35 PM
SAL 95, UMW 88 in 2 ot...
Lee and Pierce 25 each and Baker 22 for UMW. That's all the info I have right now.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 11, 2006, 10:12:20 PM
Wow.

Good news for Cardinals fans...but now they've got to go down and beat Salisbury!

UMW continues to amaze me with how they hang in games considering how many minutes their starters play.  I can't wait to see the sheet from today's game...2 OT for Baker probably meant 47-48 minutes.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: x33ycp on February 11, 2006, 11:11:42 PM
Great Job Salisbury.....win against Gally at home on Wed. clinches home court for the Sparts, which means trouble for everyone else....33 maybe 34 in a row to close out Wolf....
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 11, 2006, 11:30:50 PM
Quote from: cuainfo on February 11, 2006, 07:53:44 PM
Quote from: allfirst on February 08, 2006, 03:15:31 PM
Wow, Dave, what a promotion!

I think the purpose of this board is for anybody to post their opinion, regardless of how misguided it might be, however they wish to share their thoughts.

There is no rule that says that d3hoops.com "employees," or people who work tangentially around the site, cannot post their own opinions.

Even if D-mac did vote for the top 25, there is no reason he can't rip Catholic all day and praise Goucher all night.

Allfirst, there may be no official rule, but there are such things as professionalism and ethics which apparently don't apply to this chat board as I have been smited with a negative karma for having questioned it.

Perhaps you got smited for answering someone's alleged bias with bias of your own. Or perhaps you got smited for making an erroneous assumption about whoever the No. 2 is at D3hoops.com (I'm not sure there is one!). Or perhaps you got smited for saying D-mac is biased against Catholic, when all I can find in the past month's worth of posts is comments about Catholic's FANS.

Obviously D-mac is biased against York, since he thought York would beat Catholic by 10 and in fact it was much greater.

Sarcasm denoted with italics.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 11, 2006, 11:32:27 PM
Quote from: cuainfo on February 08, 2006, 02:33:08 PM
why do you continually take a jab at Catholic?

If it were so damn continuous, how come I can't find anything in hist posts that says so? And remember, I'm a Catholic alumnus, I should be sensitive to such sentiments!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on February 12, 2006, 12:52:33 AM
Hats off to SAL for a big win. Looks like either they or Gally could end up with a home game in the first round, maybe even both, now who would have thought that in preseason?

Another big game for York. Everyone knows what they can do in Wolf but they have to keep showing how hard they can play on the road heading into the post season. Another game like McGowan had tonight and i think he will sew up the POY in my (homer) mind. With the UMW loss the Sparts can lock up home court on the home court on wed so I hope to see just as big a turnout as we had last week for Catholic.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: dayv4life on February 12, 2006, 04:08:41 PM
looks like that the idea of fouling up by three didnt pay of for mary washington. controversial move to do that. would think it normally works.

according to what Pat posted on the blog, it looks like York might have a chance to host if they win out. that does mean they have to clear the gym out between games, but hosting would be amazing.

also means that YCP would have to win out, and that includes winning at mary wash, something that hasnt happened in awhile.

thoughts?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Akela15 on February 12, 2006, 08:43:41 PM
i like the idea of fouling when up by 3 at the end of the game.  sounds like all Mary Washington needed to do was grab one rebound and it would have worked.  I agree that if York gets to host it would be rowdy.  Very tough gym to come in and play at.  Hopefully York can get 2 wins this week against two very good teams in Gally and Mary Washington.  Good luck to all this week.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 13, 2006, 01:51:42 AM
Quote from: dayv4life on February 12, 2006, 04:08:41 PM
according to what Pat posted on the blog, it looks like York might have a chance to host if they win out. that does mean they have to clear the gym out between games, but hosting would be amazing.

I understand specifically that York was advised that they would be allowed to host a regional. Whether the NCAA follows through with that I guess is yet to be seen.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on February 13, 2006, 09:29:18 AM
Rough weekend for the Eagles. Tough game. Just highlights the lack of rebounding that has been plaguing the Eagle's season. We need these wins at Marymount and maybe get some confidence with a win at home over York on Saturday.....should be exciting as always!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on February 13, 2006, 11:37:12 AM
Just got in after getting snowed in from Salisbury.  I usually do not watch any other team's but York but a few of my buddies and I went down for the weekend to watch. Mary Washington needs to make free throws and make smarter plays down the stretch bottom line, if they do, it would have set up the two best teams playing for the one seed.  It looks know as if York will claim that one seed but let me remind you that GAlly is no push over.  Salisbury is real good at home but if they have to come to York it will not be much of a game in the semi's after seeing them play here.  We need to start looking at the playoff picture and if anyone can come into York and beat them.

Quarters looks like its going to be
(8)GOU Vs (1)York
(7)SMC Vs (2)UMW
(6)MU  Vs (3)CUA
(5)Gal  Vs (4)SAL

It could very well be at 3 way tie at the 2 seed at 9-5.  This are just projections. Gally may be the one team that can come into York and win but its looking like York has it there stride and ready for tourney.  What are the chances of York getting a bye into the 2nd round?  Just wondering, they should be ranked top 5 by the end of today.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 13, 2006, 12:15:31 PM
Wouldn't Catholic be the #2 seed if the season ended today?

Plus, if Catholic beats Salisbury (tough) on the road and Gally at home (they better), and York beats UMW (I would consider that likely), Catholic would be a game ahead of Mary Washington anyway.

And I'd going to object to your assertion that Mary Wash and York at the "two best teams." Obviously, York is the best team.

But, to this point, Catholic's is better than Mary Washington.  The Cardinals have had one really bad loss, at York, obviously.  Their other losses were by 3 to Gally on the road and by 2 to Salisbury at home.  Catholic is 16-5 against D3 teams, Mary Washington is 13-9.   In the Massey ratings, Catholic is ranked #74 with a strength of schedule of 133.  Mary Washington is #145 with a strength of schedule of 190. 

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on February 13, 2006, 01:14:48 PM
As far as York's spot in the top 25, they may have a chance to move into the top 5. Augustana only lost by 2 and 4 but two losses will drop them at least 5 or 6 spots. Hope's One points loss should cost then a few spots, but it was to Calvin who is in the top 25. At 6 Wittenberg should pick a few spots back up after a two win week and might even push to #3, after all their only losses are to the #1 team. Ill Wesleyan will lose a few spots after their loss so it is reasonable to think YCP could climb to as high as #4 but more than likely will be #5 or #6. I still think the voters consider the Sparts to be a product of a week area of the country and they think about the 0-2 lin Salem last year vs the 49-4 in the other 53 games.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 13, 2006, 03:10:46 PM
I was heading back from the Eastern Shore Saturday... thought about going to the SAL game, but it was too late (5 hours after I passed the school) and then thought about heading to CUA, but was worried about how tough the storm might be later. I should have headed to the CUA/GOU game... then headed back to the SAL/UMW game... and then used my northeast driving abilities and head back to Baltimore!!! (Girlfriend might not have been happy with that idea from the passenger seat :)).

Matt - When Russo and Garritt are on... they are amazing to watch. I knew Russo was going to break out of his recent funk. Garritt has been doing that for most of the year. YCP and UMW didn't have an answer for him any time I have seen them play. That is part of the reason I mentioned him for POY (not that I even expect him to get it). Garritt also seems to hit from any point on the court and has only gotten more and more confident as the year has gone on. He must have hit five or six shots in Zerfing's face when they played YCP at the SRC. There was simply nothing Zerfing could do... he was practically stepping on Garritt's shoe!!!

Also, on the CUA being the #2 seed. You better hope to get it, or you might face YCP in the semis... on the "kitchen floor." Right now, you are tied with UMW. Assuming you win out (beating GAL on Saturday), and YCP beats UMW, then you are the #2 seed (since when looking at common opponent, starting with YCP, you split with the Spartans).

Again, if you win out (beating GAL on Saturday) and if UMW beats YCP on Saturday, then I believe you are the #3 seed. The tiebreaker in this case would work as follows:
Head-to-head: Tied 1-1
CAC Opponents (starting at the top): Split with YCP (both teams)
Moves to GAL and since CUA lost to the Bison earlier in the year and UMW have swept them, they get the #2 seed.

But it also depends on if SAL finishes above GAL... and if that happens, and you beat SAL on Wednesday, then you are the #2 seed.

It can be very confusing.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 13, 2006, 04:28:30 PM
Right. 

Garritt and Russo really were amazing.  I can't fault the Catholic defense on most of those shots--Goucher hit literally 5 3 points in the final minute and change in the game and ALL of them were well defended.  A few of them were at NBA range and STILL well defended. 

Looking at the stat sheet, I guess Garritt's point total was a little less impressive only because he took so many shots (22)--but, hell, I don't care.  He nailed them at the end of the game when it mattered the most.  And clearly, for Goucher nobody else besides those two were really doing much, so...shoot away.  They weren't going to get much inside anyway.

I'm still of the opinion that POY has to come from one of the top teams, but those guys ought to be in the discussion for the All CAC teams.

In fairness, I only should also give credit to my own guy, Scott Fumai, who had 3 fewer points than Garritt but only took 13 shoots.

In that UMW-Salisbury game, Baker played 49 minutes!!! Lee played 48! Wow.

Yeah, its important for Catholic (or anyone else) to have the #2 seed.  I can handle going up to York for the Championship Game (well, because we really have no choice--and frankly, those guys should be relishing the chance to prove to all those people up there that they're way better than they were last week).  But going down to Mary Wash or up to York in the semis--ouch.   Unless Catholic really collapses,they shouldn't need to go to York--they'd have to drop to the 4 seed.



Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on February 13, 2006, 05:09:20 PM
Gallaudet top Marymount on Seniors' Day!

Marymount - 64
@Gallaudet - 69
Halftime: GU led 41-30

WASHINGTON - Gallaudet University beat Marymount 69-64 in last regular season home game of the season. The game was exciting for the Bison fans to watch.. In front of over 400 attendances in the Field House, it started off with the pre-game ceremony for 8 seniors on the Gallaudet Men's Basketball team. Those 8 seniors are Stephen DaSilva, Robert Haney, Jr., Frank Jackson, Matthew Johnson, Bradley Miller, Cy Saunders, Brian Shaw, and Brendan Stern. All of those contributing a lot to the Bison Basketball program in their playing career. Gallaudet shot 9-16 3FG in first half for amazing 56% to build up some insurance lead going into half time. Gallaudet have never really fall back to Marymount, the Saints' largest lead of the game was 2 points that go way back to early first half at with 17:57 remaining (5-4) then again with 16:26 remaining (9-7) before Haney, Jr and Jackson's jumper shots to pull it ahead. Other than that Gallaudet led in whole game. Both teams were on fire from the free-throw line, Gallaudet shot for 91% (10-11), all in second half after they have none FT attempt in first half. Marymount shot for 94% (16-17), and made first 15 FT before Gray's only miss at 1:34 remaining in second half while Gallaudet were ahead 65-61 at that time. Marymount only had 6 assists in whole game against the frenzy D of the Bison. Gallaudet easily revenged a early season 14 points loss to the Saints at the Verizon after led 27-20 at the halftime before fall apart.

Marymount Saints:
Diamond - 12 points, 4 rebounds and 5 assists in 39 minutes
O'Connor - 12 points and 2 rebounds
Gray - 9 points along with 6 rebounds
Atakora - 9 points
Parker - 8 points, 6 rebounds and 5 assists

Gallaudet Bison:
Haney, Jr. - 23 points (16 in 1st half), 6 rebounds, 4 assists, 4 steals and 2 block shots in 39 minutes
Weedon - 14 points (4-6 3FG), 3 rebounds and 3 steals
Mowl - 12 points, 5 rebounds, 2 assists and 2 steals
Jackson - 10 points, 5 rebounds and 4 assists

Gallaudet (14-9, 7-5) will have long and shortest travel this week to York and Catholic for final two games of the season, before the conference play off begin. This wednesday, would be a exciting game at the Kitchen against the Spartans.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 13, 2006, 05:30:03 PM
Isn't Salisbury further than York for the DC teams?  Seems like it would be...all the way up to Annapolis, over the Bay Bridge, then all the way South...I made York in under 100 minutes on the way home last week...

Just wondering.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on February 13, 2006, 10:28:46 PM
Yeah I know that SAL is the further and longest of whole CAC for DC team.. That's why I say long not the longest trip.. Maybe you speed it up since DC to York accord to Mapquest and Yahoo Maps is around rough two hours.. Hope there's no police chase behind you.. watch out.. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 14, 2006, 12:03:27 AM
Ha...not me.  Done lots and lots of driving...no tickets, no accidents.
Knock on (not Coach) wood.

Some on here (ahem D-Mac) may not believe it, but Catholic is actually still in contention for a Pool C bid.  According to the Quality of Win Index, they're ranked #59.  By the calculations of the folks over in the Pool C thread, right now Pool C bids would go to teams ranked in the #51-53 range.  (Oh--I'm kidding D-Mac).

So c'mon Cards---take care of business on the road and on senior day, and put yourselves in position to do something special.  Play for the front of the jersey.



Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on February 14, 2006, 09:45:25 AM
Congrats to Chad McGowan for picking up the CAC Player of the Week. He had three big games in three big wins, and I don't think we've heard the last of him this season.

Here is a guess on my part but who knows how it will end up. Kenny Fass is sitting on 899 points for his career (if i added right) and if York is able to get ahead in a game from here on out I think they may try and let him get a big total or two to help push him towards 1000. I know 101 is alot to get, but I remember a few years ago when the sparts kept getting the ball to Andy O'brien as he tryed to break the single game record (he ended up 6 shy) so maybe they will try and do something for a senior leader again this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: x33ycp on February 14, 2006, 10:05:07 AM
WOW, host a regional?? That would be fantastic....I was just telling someone yesterday, that I wish they were in the new building this year, because then it would be certain.....Pat, if YCP wins out and finishes 26-2, and top 5 in country, how good are the chances they will host??......where might they have to travel for this years regional, if its not in York???
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on February 14, 2006, 12:21:13 PM
Pat, Is there any chance of York having a bye...

I would love to Fass get 1000 points he is the most underrated player on the team.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 14, 2006, 12:40:11 PM
It's possible York could get one of the five byes, yes. That would eliminate the need to worry about whether they could host a regional.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: John Rusnak on February 14, 2006, 03:17:22 PM
Kitchen,

Based on York's performance in Salem last year and the quality (or lack thereof) of competition in the region, I think it's fair for people to say that York is overrated anywhere in the top 10...and possibly top 25.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 14, 2006, 03:19:24 PM
Having seen York, I'm more than OK with them in the Top 25 and even in the Top 10. Where they are right now is a little too high for my tastes but right at No. 10 sounds about right.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on February 14, 2006, 03:23:47 PM
Yeah, for some reason York's ranking get inflated....but MW and CUA's traditional knock against then is their lack of strength of schedule. (Yes, I know MW played alot of early season games out of region and that Catholic played Davidson, etc)

But shouldn't the same knock be applied evenly throughout all the teams in the CAC?
And with qualities teams like YCP, MW, and CUA, shouldn't the CAC get some more respect (or is that reflected in YCP's rankings)...I guess it goes back to exposure issues, yada, yada.....
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 14, 2006, 03:34:05 PM
I think that is reflected in York's rank, yes. But a 13-9 team like Mary Washington isn't going to get any votes unless three of those losses are to D-I teams, a couple to Top 10 D-III teams and there are some Top 25 D-III wins in there. Six losses, where Catholic is, is tough. The York win would likely have them getting votes if they hadn't lost to Susquehanna and at home to Salisbury.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: manofgor24 on February 14, 2006, 03:44:15 PM
Fass is only underated to people who don't understand the game.  I think every coach in the league would love to have a Kenny Fass on their team.  He does everything from making shots to getting a big rebound and most importantly, gaurding the best players.   I love his toughness....you just cannot teach that.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 14, 2006, 03:57:39 PM
Pat--its only 5 losses to D3 teams!

But of course you're right, I'm just quibbling.

Catholic's not going to get any votes in the poll, but it is the at large bid that matters. 

I imagine the Gally loss hurts too in the poll, perhaps more than it should if only because I'm not sure that the rest of the country realizes how good Gally is this year.  They are used to them being a bottom-dwelling team, but this year clearly they are not.  I don't know if the voters are thorough enough to really know who is in 4th place in the CAC...

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on February 14, 2006, 04:27:10 PM
To compare York to last year is unfair.  Last year they came out of no where to get to the Final Four.  This year they are focused and poised to make a run at the national championship.  To say they arent a top 10 team is unfair.  Yes there schedule is not the hardest but ask the Seahawks how that worked for them.  they are 49-6 in there last 55 games, That is just unbelievable!  Yea I am a Yorkie but this team looks different then last year, granted they are basicalyl the same starting 5 but they play harder and look like they have a chip on there shoulder. 

Anyway, the champagne is on ice for back-to-back CAC conference championships.

Let's Go York
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: John Rusnak on February 14, 2006, 04:55:37 PM
York is the same team they were last year.  They had a ridiculously easy draw that let them waltz into the final four.  The only reason they are "poised to make a run" is because people know who they are and everybody is watching them.

I am not saying they aren't a decent team.  In fact, I agree with Pat that 10 is probably fair, maybe somewhere in the 10-15 range.  But to say they are a top 4 team is definitely inflated.

We'll see how the brackets come out this year and then they will be given an opportunity to prove how far they can go.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Akela15 on February 14, 2006, 07:10:35 PM
I dont think its fair that to say that York is overated because of what happened at the Final four last year.  No one was beating Stevens point no matter what because they were that good.  As for the other teams Rochester (national runner up), practically needed a buzzer beating three pointer to get past Calvin.  Then York fell in the third place game (which are always hard to play in, at any level) to Calvin who made 13 three pointers.  Returning 5 of you tope 6 players is reason enough to be ranked highly in the preseaon polls, and they have not dissappointed yet, with their only 2 losses being on a made buzzer beater (Salisbury) and missed buzzer beater (Catholic).

And regarding their schedule they have played most of the top teams in the region.  They have beaten Ursinus (#3 in region), split with Catholic (#7) and beat Messiah (#8).  They beat Albright @ Albright (made the NCAA tourny last year) by 18 early in the year.  Since it is so hard to travel in division III they are trying to schedule the best teams in the region, and thus far been able to beat all but Catholic.  Its not their fault that they play in a somewhat weaker conference (depending on the year) compared to others accross the country.  They just play the schedule they were given and have been successful so far.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 14, 2006, 07:19:00 PM
Quote from: Akela15 on February 14, 2006, 07:10:35 PM
And regarding their schedule they have played most of the top teams in the region. 

That would be great, except this region isn't very good and hasn't been for a couple years now. That's fine that they play the schedule they were given -- but other teams are playing the schedule they were given too and we tend not to want to punish them because other teams were given a less challenging one.

I don't think anyone punishes York for losing the third-place game. No serious analyst takes the national third-place game into account for anything.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on February 15, 2006, 11:15:22 AM
I agree with Pat about the 3rd place game.  Last year at the final four there was STevens Point who was the best team by far and then the next 3 were evenly matched.  People who were there would agree with that.  Teams learn from experience and that is what has made York better this year compared to last year.  I would hate to come into York next week and win because know has really put up a fight since the students got back.  Two of the three teams below York came into York and got beat by 25 points or more.  It shows how that there two loses were only by 2 points a piece and when they come into York the get blown out.  A lot of people have never actually seen York play and are making assumptions.  If they have they have seen them once.  I've missed two games this year and I am tellin you this team is different compared to last year.  Stop all this talk about York being a top 25 and relish the accomplishments of the last 2 years and say they are a top6 or 7 team. 

We love York Seniors.  Senior night at York, should be one of the most decorated of any.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 15, 2006, 11:30:17 AM
Sure, they deserve their ranking right now.

But like everybody else, they've got to go into the tournament and prove it, that's all.  It is near high to impossible for most of us to really know exactly who the actual best 5 teams are in the country---we haven't seen these Wisconsin, Ohio, Illinois, etc teams this year.  I have absolutely no idea how York really compares to those teams.  But I do that they've won all but 2 of their games, and they are playing very well, so to me,  they should be ranked as high as they are. 

At the same time, I've actually seen them lose, so I know how it can be done.  I don't know if they were having a bad night that night (quite possibly), but Catholic was having a bad night too, so a better team might be able to replicate that.  I don't know.  But in the meantime, all we have is the poll.

They really shouldn't worried about it, anyway--they've got to go out and win the league.  There's no reason to think they will have any problem doing it, but they've still got to do it.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: John Rusnak on February 15, 2006, 12:11:17 PM
Can Goucher please win a game tonight?!

Perhaps the new website will bring them some good fortune.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on February 15, 2006, 12:41:56 PM
Im not to familar with the league history.  How many team have repeated as conference and tourney champs.  Is their a website? 

Is anyone coming to the game in York tonight from this forum?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Coach C on February 15, 2006, 02:41:30 PM
The third place game is a worthless exhibition.  It means nothing to either team.  Neither teams wants to be playing in it.  It can't help or hurt you.  The seniors get to extend their careers another afternoon, but otherwise, it serves NO purpose.

C
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: gouchersid on February 15, 2006, 02:51:03 PM
Goucher won back-to-back CAC titles in 1993-94 and 1994-95. Catholic did the same in 2000-01 and 2001-02.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Akela15 on February 15, 2006, 03:04:35 PM
First things first before we start talking about York repeating.  They need to take care of business tonight on Senior night against Gally to secure homecourt for the CAC playoffs, then worry about the tournament.  If Gally comes in and beats them tonight they will need to win at Mary Washington where they havent won since 2001-2002 season.  Goodluck tonight boys!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: John Rusnak on February 15, 2006, 03:25:02 PM
The third place game is meaningless and stupid and a waste of time and they should get rid of it...nobody wants to play in it because they are devastated from the night before.  Both teams barely prepare, as they have little time and no motivation.

So why then shouldn't York win the 3rd place game last year?  If both teams are in the same boat, which, if I recall Calvin lost the night before too, then the better team should still win...no?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: andre james smith on February 15, 2006, 05:57:24 PM
Big game for the Eagles tonight, if they can pull out a win tonight and hope for a York loss (not likely, not likely at all), I'm thinking they would still have a shot at the CAC title.  Anyways, they have to take care of business tonight at Marymount to hold on to at least the #3 spot.  I'm really hoping that A.J. can get back for the stretch run because that would help us out immensly.  It should be a good last week of the seaon, with everything still up in the air.  Let's go bison and seagulls.....
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 15, 2006, 08:54:37 PM
At the half from the final regular season game ever at Wolf Gym...

York 49-Gallaudet 24
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 15, 2006, 09:56:55 PM
Final from Salisbury, MD...

Catholic 81, Salisbury 69.

Big road win for the Cardinals--both York and Mary Wash lost at Salisbury this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 15, 2006, 09:59:09 PM
Final From York...

York 94-Gallaudet 75

Gallaudet went on a big 22-4 run late in the game to make the final score inside of 20.

Details later.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 15, 2006, 10:24:35 PM
Final from Goucher:

GOU 93, SMC 84

James Russo poured in 38 points to lead all scorers. It also tied the record for the most points scored by a Goucher Men's Basketball player in a game... and the most points scored by any player at the Sports & Rec Center. The other player, who the record is now shared with, was Dave Clark... who scored 38 points against Mary Washington... 14 years ago to the night!

And for good measure, Jonathan Garritt contributed 30 points of his own... combining with Russo for 68 or Goucher's 93.

As for SMC, Valdez Preston was their leader with 22 and Trson Lesesne had 21.

Goucher was ready to play tonight... and SMC never seemed like they were playing together. Early on, they never seemed to be on the same page... walking around... no urgency... nothing. They either never got off the bus or thought this was going to be an easy game.

Goucher on the other hand, had it's moments of near disaster. They were leading by 19 with 12 minutes to play... and SMC cut it to 4 with less than a minute to play. Goucher got sloppy and acted like the game was probably already over with half of the 2nd half yet to play.

SMC simply didn't have answer for Russo or Garritt. Russo missed a few early on and then never seemed to miss, hitting 12 of 18 (8-11 from downtown). Garritt was 10-19 (4-9 from beyond the arc). Garritt also pulled down 10 rebounds for his double-double (I think only two players in Goucher history have earned a double-double). He was three assists short of the triple... I should have given him more :).

I was not that impressed with Lesesne. He can certainly shoot, but only takes shots on occasion. He didn't hit his first shot until about 11 minutes into the game. And while he was 7-14 from the floor... all but four of those shots were from outside the arc. He also didn't take a shot from inside 12 feet... and missed everything from inside the arc. He only hit threes... and then, only when he was wide open. I realize this is the first time I have seen him play, but he was not even a threat on each possession. Now, Valdez Preston was a threat. I really liked how he played all over the court. He might deserve a 2nd team selection. Lesesne gets his points and leads the conference because he shots with a high percentage, but if SMC won tonight, Lesesne wouldn't not have been the reason. Preston was the reason SMC had a chance.

I am going to stick with my two guys for POY. McGowan and Garritt. They play the entire game and they play both sides of the court. Lesesne didn't play any good defense tonight, including picking up three stupid fouls in the first half. He got them because he was too lazy to move his feet and would hand check or slash at the ball and the player when he was beat. He also never drove the lane on offense... making him one of the easiest guys to guard when he had the ball.

McGowan and Garritt come ready to play in each and every game. Both can't be stopped the entire game and both have been able to carry their teams while others aren't performing (Bushey and Russo). I know it is hard to give Garritt the nod when they are 2-20 and 2-11 in the conference, but as "ycp" has said many times, if he is on any top team in this conference... its an easy choice. This is about who is the best in the conference... period! And those two I think are the best, hands down.

Last note on SMC, I like their coach. I think if he has the time and the patience at the college, he can turn the program around. He needs to get some of the rif-raf off the team and he needs a chance to get some good recruits. He has so talent there to work with (Engelstad, Lesesne, Preston) and in a couple of years recruits could make a difference. He is passionate and really knows the game. Very impressed.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on February 15, 2006, 10:45:36 PM
UMW wins at Marymount on a Jon Pierce buzzer beater. Jon Hurd wanted to be subbed in but since he's not on the team couldnt help out. Notable from the crowd was former MU player Ed "hedgehog" Carrai and a MU fan wearing tight yellow shorts.

Mike Lee 5-7 and 17 points....
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 15, 2006, 11:08:40 PM
D-Mac...you KNOW how impressed I am with Russo and Garritt.  No argument about how good they are.

But I would respectfully submit that they simply wouldn't be getting these kinds of points if they were on good teams.  No way.  Neither of them have particularly good percentages---they just take a TON of shots.  Now, that's what their team needs from them because they don't have much else, but as we've been discussing, you've got to grade on a scale when you're talking about POY.   Those guys would be good on any team, and when they're on, they're on, but I just don't think they'd be such standouts on the other teams.

Of course, I'm picking the wrong night to make that sort of argument.  I hope Russo and the Goucher fans enjoy his historical night.  They certainly should.  A bright spot in a disappointing season. But now let me ask the question--given Goucher's last two games, when both Russo and Garritt have played absolutely posessed, does anybody want to play Goucher in the first round of the CAC tourney?   I think I'll pass, thank you. 

I shared your impressions on SMC in the game I saw.  They just seemed like a bit of a mess.  Really undisciplined--like they weren't on the same page.   I didn't think Lesense was helping them much, either...

Wow, an Eddie sighthing. Well he played with those guys and it was senior night, so good that he was there.  Sounds like an exciting game.  I wish Marymount had pulled it out.  No offense.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: uofs on February 15, 2006, 11:18:37 PM
God forbid if they where on CATHOLIC they would be the next Michael Jordan.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 15, 2006, 11:18:40 PM
Some stats from the Catholic game...

Catholic continued their hot shooting from 3, going 8-15.  Pat Satalin had 15 points as did Pat Dwyer.  Freshman Sean Stolenthaler started had 13 points, including 3-3 from 3.  Sowden had 14 with 9 rebounds.  Catholic also shot really well from the free throw line, 25-31...

Salisbury was led by Williams (19) and Odmeru (12).

Looks like Catholic shot well, took care of the ball and their free throws, and had a solid win.  They face Galluadet on CUA senior day Saturday.  If they win, I believe they lock up the #2 seed...that simple.

Meanwhile, Goucher is within a game of St. Mary's now at the bottom.  Gally needs to beat Catholic to get a home game, if Salisbury beats St. Mary's.  Hmm.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 15, 2006, 11:20:21 PM
Quote from: uofs on February 15, 2006, 11:18:37 PM
God forbid if they where on CATHOLIC they would be the next Michael Jordan.

Ignore him, he's just mad because I've been defending Mary Wash over on the women's board.   He thought that Mary Wash's win at Marymount was unimpressive. 

But if either of them were on Catholic, they'd be the best shooters on the team.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 15, 2006, 11:26:58 PM
Put Garritt on ANY CAC team and that team is better!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on February 15, 2006, 11:38:40 PM
I'd like to say that the CAC SID did a heck of a job updating all the standings and results tonight.
:-)


Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 15, 2006, 11:47:27 PM
Details from YCP on a very cool senior night....

The Spartans were led by the tandem of Brandon Bushey and sophomore Chad McGowan as they each poured in 20 points. Bushey added a team-high eight rebounds, two assists, two blocked shots and a steal. Bushey was 8-for-10 from the floor and 4-for-5 from three. McGowan was equally as efficient from the field as he was 7-for-9 from the floor including 1-for-2 from distance. The sophomore was 5-for-10 at the charity stripe while he also contributed four rebounds and a blocked shot. Brad Zerfing played well for York as he contributed 11 points, six assists, and three rebounds in 25 minutes of action. Freshman Quinn Howard continues to be a spark off the bench for York as he tallied 11 points, four assists, and three steals in 16 minutes of play. Freshman Nate Fry added nine points, seven rebounds, three assists, and a blocked shot for YCP.

Gallaudet received a double-double from Frank Jackson as he tallied a game-high 21 points and a game-high 12 rebounds. Robert Haney added 15 points, three rebounds, three steals, and two assists in 23 minutes before fouling out late in the game. Jon Mowl was the third Bison in double figures with 14 points but the standout freshman struggled from the field as he was 4-for-11 overall including 3-for-10 from three.

The Spartans shot a blistering 72% (18-for-25) in the first half and finished the game converting a season-best 63.6% (35-for-55) from the floor. The Spartans also sizzled from downtown as they made 10-of-19 from distance, a conversion rate of 52.6%.

The Spartan seniors improve their four year mark to 75-33 including a pair of regular-season CAC Championships, a tournament title and a Final Four appearance. I want to tell you what a pleasure it has been to watch these guys play. Team basketball certainly isn't dead in Spartanland. Congrats to Brandon, Kenny, Brian, and Paddy, you guys have been great and hopefully there will be many more highlights to come!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 15, 2006, 11:56:16 PM
The question isn't wether the CAC homepage is updated but, are the stats updated like the old SID used to do??? :)

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 15, 2006, 11:56:54 PM
love ya Clint!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on February 16, 2006, 09:43:29 AM
It was an amazing Senior night in Wolf last night. The stats are already out there, so all I will add is the intangibles. 1) Coach Gamber took his foot off the gas with about 6 to play to allow all of the Seniors to come off of the floor together so the final margin is not indicative of just how well the Sparts played. 2) the crowd was in post season form and no matter who comes into the Kitchen they are going to be playing 5 on "6" for 40 minutes. 3) The way the underclassmen pulled for the 4 seniors was palpable, you could just tell that those guys wanted nothing more than to see Paddy, Kenny, Brian and Brandon go out on a very high note. 4) After the game Coach Gamber allowed those 4 to address the Gym before himself taking the mic to promise all in attendance an all out effort to make each game memorable and to ask the fans to do the same. I think the frenzy around the Spartans is at an all time high, even more so than in the days leading up to Salem last year. I know Goolrick has been particularly tough on York for the lasts few years but I would expect to see an even higher level of play on Saturday. GO YORK! McGowan for POY, Gamber for COY.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 16, 2006, 10:43:53 AM
Ok, can somebody run down the tiebreaker scenario for the #2 seed if Catholic and Mary Washington both win or lose Saturday? Let me see if I have this right.  (For the record, I still hate this tiebreak system, I think it should work from the bottom up, not the top down).

Obviously, if Catholic wins and Mary Wash loses, Catholic is the #2, or vice versa.

If both teams win, you'd move to York-and there would be a split.  Then you would jump down to 4th place, which would be Salisbury if they beat St. Mary's (because we're assuming a Catholic win, which means a Gally loss,)  However, if SMC were to beat Salisbury, and Gally were to lose, Gally would be the #4 seed because they beat Salisbury twice.  But, either way, since Catholic and Mary Wash split with Salisbury, so then you would move to Gally. Since Mary Wash beat Gally twice, they would win the tiebreaker here and be the #2 seed.


If both teams lose, you'd start the tiebreak with York, and Catholic would win it there because they've beaten York once. 

So basically, for Catholic to be the #2 seed, they need Mary Washington to lose.  If Mary Wash wins, they are the #2 seed.

Right?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: BisonKiller on February 16, 2006, 12:22:10 PM
Quote from: ycp on February 15, 2006, 09:59:09 PM
Final From York...

York 94-Gallaudet 75

Gallaudet went on a big 22-4 run late in the game to make the final score inside of 20.

Details later.

So York at one time was actually up by 40 or so in the 2nd half?

Damn that sucked....Either York is that damn good or Gallaudet is overrated
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 16, 2006, 12:45:46 PM
I believe the high water mark was 32 with about 10 minutes left. Gallaudet cut it to 14 before York finished with the 19 point win.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 16, 2006, 02:06:21 PM
Matt - I am going to work on that for you. The biggest key is who is fourth... GAL or SAL. That will make the difference. I will try and get back to you on it as soon as I can.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 16, 2006, 02:12:45 PM
Thanks...I think I have it right.  In the event Gally and SAL are tied, Gally would win the tiebreaker because they have beaten SAL twice.

But if Catholic wins and SAL wins, then SAL would be a game better than Gally. Even that shouldn't make a difference because Mary Wash and CUA have identical records against SAL--so either way it comes down to Gally, and Mary Wash wins that tiebreaker.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: BisonKiller on February 16, 2006, 03:09:43 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on February 16, 2006, 02:12:45 PM
Thanks...I think I have it right.  In the event Gally and SAL are tied, Gally would win the tiebreaker because they have beaten SAL twice.

But if Catholic wins and SAL wins, then SAL would be a game better than Gally. Even that shouldn't make a difference because Mary Wash and CUA have identical records against SAL--so either way it comes down to Gally, and Mary Wash wins that tiebreaker.

I really dont think it matters who is 4th....it will be Gal vs Sal....  and regardless who host the game, Gal should come out on top...another trip to York and get blown out again...

If I was Gallaudet, I would've purposely lose a few conference games so that we would have a better chance to make it to the finals vs York...of course to get blown out then
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 16, 2006, 03:38:55 PM
It does matter who is #4 or #5 if a tie-breaker is needed for CUA and UMW. Different head-to-head records for those teams against SAL and GAL.

And it might matter to the teams. Either travel to a tough Gallaudet gym or SAL gym.

It also would be great to see GAL host a game for the first time in a LONG time.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 16, 2006, 05:58:42 PM
Quote from: d-mac on February 16, 2006, 03:38:55 PM
It does matter who is #4 or #5 if a tie-breaker is needed for CUA and UMW. Different head-to-head records for those teams against SAL and GAL.
Ok, while the above statement is true about what team is in what order for the tie-breaker... it doesn't make a difference in this case.

Quote from: Matt Letourneau on February 16, 2006, 10:43:53 AM
Ok, can somebody run down the tiebreaker scenario for the #2 seed if Catholic and Mary Washington both win or lose Saturday? Let me see if I have this right.  (For the record, I still hate this tiebreak system, I think it should work from the bottom up, not the top down).

Obviously, if Catholic wins and Mary Wash loses, Catholic is the #2, or vice versa.

If both teams win, you'd move to York-and there would be a split.  Then you would jump down to 4th place, which would be Salisbury if they beat St. Mary's (because we're assuming a Catholic win, which means a Gally loss,)  However, if SMC were to beat Salisbury, and Gally were to lose, Gally would be the #4 seed because they beat Salisbury twice. But, either way, since Catholic and Mary Wash split with Salisbury, so then you would move to Gally. Since Mary Wash beat Gally twice, they would win the tiebreaker here and be the #2 seed.


If both teams lose, you'd start the tiebreak with York, and Catholic would win it there because they've beaten York once. 

So basically, for Catholic to be the #2 seed, they need Mary Washington to lose.  If Mary Wash wins, they are the #2 seed.

Right?

Matt - right!!!

If both teams win, UMW is the #2 seed.
If UMW losses, no matter what CUA does they are the #2 seed.

As far as not liking the way the tie-breaker works, I was actually thinking about it today and I think it makes sense. Instead of starting at the bottom in head-to-head comparisons... you start with the best. A team deserves the better seeding if they did better against the toughest competition than the another team did. Starting at the bottom means the conference thinks higher seeding is an award to those who can beat the weakest teams without having an off-night. I would rather award the seed to the team that came out and beat the tougher teams more often than the team they are tied with.

By the way, if CUA and UMW both won this weekend and we started at the bottom, CUA would be the #2 seed. That's because Jonathan Garritt hit a 27-foot three-pointer, at the buzzer, after dribbling the length of the court, pump faking, and drilling it with nothing but net in Lee's grill to beat the Eagles by one. I am very sure UMW would not consider it fair that their seeding was left to a last second shot to a 2-20 team versus head to head against the better teams of the conference.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: dayv4life on February 16, 2006, 06:38:51 PM
i was trying to figure this out today too dmac maybe you can help......i am pretty sure that if goucher wins then they get to be the 7 seed and not the 8 seed right? i was goin down the list and they have the first tiebreak head to head win then against UMW if they would finished tied for last in the CAC with 3 W's.

difference between 7 and is huge as you can see by ppl not wanting to go into york.

hats off to goucher for never quitting no matter what. its easy to pack it in when stuff doesnt go your way. nice work boys.


GO SPARTANS!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 17, 2006, 06:33:42 AM
Quote from: dayv4life on February 16, 2006, 06:38:51 PM
i was trying to figure this out today too dmac maybe you can help......i am pretty sure that if goucher wins then they get to be the 7 seed and not the 8 seed right? i was goin down the list and they have the first tiebreak head to head win then against UMW if they would finished tied for last in the CAC with 3 W's.

difference between 7 and is huge as you can see by ppl not wanting to go into york.
You are correct. Goucher's win over UMW would give them the #7 seed if they end up in a tie. That would probably mean they go to the DuFour Center (Goolrick Gym) or for the first round game, instead of Wolff. The thing is, the Gophers faced Marymount last time, right after coming off the win to UMW. After talking to some of the team, they know they let down after the win... thinking they had finally overcome their demons. They are going to be ready to play... especially Garritt, since it is his final game at the Sports and Rec Center (worth coming to watch him and Russo one last time).

Quote from: dayv4life on February 16, 2006, 06:38:51 PM
hats off to goucher for never quitting no matter what. its easy to pack it in when stuff doesnt go your way. nice work boys.
I have said it all year... I have been impressed with them not giving up! The big difference in Wednesday game was that Goucher looked like they weren't going to give up on the season, SMC looked like they had (in some ways). Goucher is a tough team to beat. Even if you are up 30, the Gophers aren't going to quit until the final buzzer (ask York). I am very proud of how they have carried themselves through this very difficult year. It is just too bad they had to go through it. But sometimes, teams and guys become stronger after a season like this.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on February 17, 2006, 09:50:07 AM
Well, as the season winds down i can't help but think what a great year its been. Saturday's games should be good. The Tourney should be wild as ever.

I think the CAC should start an All-Star team formed by the All -CAC players to play some games vs other conference all-stars. What ya think?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 17, 2006, 10:56:30 AM
The CUNYAC and NJAC have done senior all-star games the past few years. ODAC and USAC are starting this year. CAC against ... what, the Interstate Eight? :)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: John Rusnak on February 17, 2006, 11:23:33 AM
Goucher's run to the title...

Beat Marymount on senior day to avoid York early...

Upset Catholic at their place for the 100th time at DuFour in the quarters...

Beat Mary Wash after Wood gets tossed midway through the second half...

Take out York in an amazing upset on the tile.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on February 17, 2006, 11:45:24 AM
Yes, great idea. Keep the old rivalries alive....the Interstate 8 are going down.
Who do we pitch the idea to? Clint, get started.

Goucher is a scary team right now, so anything could happen....too bad they'd have to beat the top 3 teams in a row...on the road.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 17, 2006, 12:14:50 PM
Well, with the way those 2 Goucher guards are playing, if we had a "Current CAC/Future I-8 All Stars" vs. "The Other 6 Teams in the CAC All Stars," I'd like the I-8's chances!  Put Russo and Garritt out there with Sowden, Dwyer and Fumai, fill up the bench and you've got yourself a hell of a team!

Yeah, at this point, since my rooting interest is whatever is in Catholic's best interest,  I need to be rooting for York and Marymount.  So, uh, go Spartans and Saints.  Even though that last part really kills me.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on February 17, 2006, 01:49:06 PM
Coach Wood get tossed? Don't count on it.
Guess how many total techs he's gotten all year.

NONE.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: John Rusnak on February 17, 2006, 02:06:25 PM
There is a theory out there about sports (and other things) called regression to the mean.

If he hasn't had any yet this year, then one would argue that he's due...
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: gouchersid on February 17, 2006, 03:45:18 PM
Goucher DOES NOT move up to the 7th seed just by beating Marymount on Saturday. If St. Mary's beats Salisbury earlier in the day, Goucher is locked into being the 8th seed regardless of what the Gophers do against the Saints.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 17, 2006, 04:05:59 PM
Quote from: gouchersid on February 17, 2006, 03:45:18 PM
Goucher DOES NOT move up to the 7th seed just by beating Marymount on Saturday. If St. Mary's beats Salisbury earlier in the day, Goucher is locked into being the 8th seed regardless of what the Gophers do against the Saints.
Geez Mike, you had to go and take the fun out of the Goucher story, didn't you. Sure... minor detail... SMC has to beat SAL. Thanks for making us consider... THE OTHER GAMES :).

Just kidding, yes SMC has to beat SAL... but a very different SMC team would have to show up. It could be interesting. At least that game will be over before the tip-off at Goucher.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: BisonKiller on February 18, 2006, 06:44:05 AM
Big game for Gallaudet vs. Catholic today.....

Seems like you pro-CUA folks are taking Gally for granted....don't be surprised if they come up and give you Cardinals a fine whipping. 

Gally this year reminds me of Texas Tech a few seasons ago.  They have a crazy coach.  They are having one of their best years with the help of a weak schedule.  But when it comes to big important games, they fold.

I can only recall Gally beating CUA at home once.  I believe that was a playoff game (am I wrong there)?  I can recall this because some friends of mine attended to that game and overheard some of the Catholic football players getting upset.  Something like this "...phucking deaf people, just wait for football and we'll kick their a$$".   Sure enough that following fall, I opened up the Washington Post and see a score of 72-0 or so.  I don't think Gallaudet and Catholic vs. each other again after that.  So if the basketball team really cherish their "new improved" football team, they probably should roll over so that Catholic football team won't take it out on theirs'.

Then again...it just maybe Gallaudet is that good and gonna beat CUA this afternoon...

Hopefully I'll be able to pick up the game on the radio
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: dayv4life on February 18, 2006, 08:43:24 AM
Anyone who wants to listen to the York vs. Mary Washington Men's and Women's games can get them on www.wvyc.org and the streaming FM audio. im not positive if you have to have real player or not, but it helps to make it easier.

girls tip at 2, guys tip at 4.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 18, 2006, 10:48:34 AM
Quote from: BisonKiller on February 18, 2006, 06:44:05 AM
Big game for Gallaudet vs. Catholic today.....

Seems like you pro-CUA folks are taking Gally for granted....don't be surprised if they come up and give you Cardinals a fine whipping. 

Gally this year reminds me of Texas Tech a few seasons ago.  They have a crazy coach.  They are having one of their best years with the help of a weak schedule.  But when it comes to big important games, they fold.

I can only recall Gally beating CUA at home once.  I believe that was a playoff game (am I wrong there)?  I can recall this because some friends of mine attended to that game and overheard some of the Catholic football players getting upset.  Something like this "...phucking deaf people, just wait for football and we'll kick their a$$".   Sure enough that following fall, I opened up the Washington Post and see a score of 72-0 or so.  I don't think Gallaudet and Catholic vs. each other again after that.  So if the basketball team really cherish their "new improved" football team, they probably should roll over so that Catholic football team won't take it out on theirs'.

Then again...it just maybe Gallaudet is that good and gonna beat CUA this afternoon...

Hopefully I'll be able to pick up the game on the radio

Well #1, Gally hasn't beaten Catholic  (until last month) for over a decade, so whatever you're referring to must have happened a LONG time ago.  I'll see if I can find out exactly when the last time Gally beat CUA at home was.

#2-Nobody is taking Gally for ganted, seeing how we lost to them earlier in the season!  What we've been talking about is seeding for the CAC playoffs.  It turns out that the CUA-Gally game today is completely meaningless in terms of league standings.  It has no affect on seeding--the outcome of the Mary Washington-York game will determine whether or not Catholic gets the #2 seed regardless of whether Catholic wins today. 

Now, that being said, its senior day at DuFour, so some of us at least expect our seniors to step it up and have a much better game today.  Keep in mind, when you saw Catholic at Gally, they had their 2nd worst game of the season (at the time it was their worse), they got themselves in a mountain of foul trouble (all 3 big guys sitting for big minutes including a large portion of the 1st half), and nobody could hit a shot.  And it was still a very close game.

But don't go feeling all disrespected, nobody's disrespect Gallaudet in the Catholic corner.

EDIT: Let me be clear---this is NOT a meaningless game for Catholic, because if they want to remain alive for an at-large bid,  they've got to win.  And that is by far their best route into the tournament at this point--so in fact its a very meaningful game, I was just referring to discussion on the board the last few days, which has centered around important games for the league seedng.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 18, 2006, 12:23:31 PM
The Anthony Jones-led Bison came into the DuFour as the No. 5 seed in 1994 and did beat the No. 4 seed Cardinals 87-74 in the CAC quarterfinals. Catholic finished 9-16 that year.

Indeed, Catholic did beat Gallaudet 66-0 in football that fall, the last time the teams have met. If I recall, Tom Clark didn't want to play that game, but CUA's president made them fulfill the contract.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on February 18, 2006, 04:44:18 PM
Update from the goolrick?

the web cast isnt working to well. bush league stuff.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on February 18, 2006, 04:50:29 PM
You don't wanna know.

YCP 47, UMW 25 at the half. Fass 18 pts (mostly layups off O boards)...

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on February 18, 2006, 04:52:46 PM
Ouch...
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: dayv4life on February 18, 2006, 05:08:00 PM
At WVYC, we've been having technical difficulties with our remote broadcasting equipment. Despite our attempts at remedying the situation, we were unable to address our problems in a way that we felt ensured the quality of the broadcast.
We can ensure everyone that we will be up and running from Wolf Gymnasium both on the airwaves and the Internet for the Spartans first round game on Tuesday.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Akela15 on February 18, 2006, 05:18:03 PM
WVYC is weak.  Come on Dayvlife4 how am I suppose to listen to the game up here in York if you cant get your equipment to work.  Anyone have any updates from the game?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 18, 2006, 06:24:36 PM
Final from Mary Washington...

York 88-Mary Washington 75

The Spartans win a regular season school record 23rd game.

Game Box
http://www.ycp.edu/sports/mens_basketball/2005/YCPMBB25.HTM

The Dallastown duo of Chad McGowan and Kenny Fass lead the Spartans with 28 and 24 points respectively.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 18, 2006, 08:27:28 PM
Catholic 72, Gallaudet 64.

Details later...good game, both teams played well, Cardinals never trailed after the first few minutes.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 18, 2006, 09:57:07 PM
Catholic played a great team game on offense today--19 assists on 23 baskets (compared to Gally's 6 on 22). They shot 47% to Gallaudet's 39%.  The problem for Catholic was 22 turnovers.

Player of the game on the Catholic end was Mike Waslienko--14 points and a remarkable 12 assists. Satalin had 11 points on some big 3's in the first half.  The CUA big guys not really got going, with the exception of Josh Mish who was rather electrifying off the bench...8 points in 11 minutes on some great hustle plays.  On the other hand, they played great defense on Haney and Jackson who had subpar games even though they got their points--17 for Haney, but on 5-17 shooting, and 16 for Jackson on 6-16. 

The standout for Gally was PG Jon Mowl--7-9, 18 points.  Played really solid on offense, but his defense was rather suspect--he commited some really dumb fouls.  So did Brad Miller.

On senior night, Matt Spirenberg also contributed with 6 points and 5 rebounds in 8 minutes.

So, overall, a good game, good atmosphere.  Lots of Gallaudet fans.  I'll leave it at that...

Catholic captures the #2 seed in the conference with York's win, and will host St. Mary's Tuesday night.

I see that Goucher won again, doing their part to get out of the York trip, but St. Mary's didn't cooperate.  Salisbury losing is certainly a bit of an upset.

So, the matchups are set at #1 York vs. #8 Goucher,  #2 Cathoilc vs. #7 St. Mary's, #3 Mary Washington vs. #6 Marymount, #4 Gallaudet vs. #5 Salisbury. 

Congrats on Gally on hosting a game...that's going to be a tough one for Salisbury. 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 18, 2006, 10:20:07 PM
More good news for Catholic's at large hopes, as Johns Hopkins dropped its third straight.  Hopkins was ahead of Catholic in last week's regional rankings.

Urisnus also lost today, giving them an identical regional record to Catholic's. Urisnus was also ahead of the Cardinals. 

If Catholic can make it to the Championship game, they've got a real shot at a Pool C bid.  But, of course, they have to take care of business.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: BisonKiller on February 19, 2006, 10:00:18 AM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on February 18, 2006, 09:57:07 PM
Catholic played a great team game on offense today--19 assists on 23 baskets (compared to Gally's 6 on 22). They shot 47% to Gallaudet's 39%.  The problem for Catholic was 22 turnovers.

Player of the game on the Catholic end was Mike Waslienko--14 points and a remarkable 12 assists. Satalin had 11 points on some big 3's in the first half.  The CUA big guys not really got going, with the exception of Josh Mish who was rather electrifying off the bench...8 points in 11 minutes on some great hustle plays.  On the other hand, they played great defense on Haney and Jackson who had subpar games even though they got their points--17 for Haney, but on 5-17 shooting, and 16 for Jackson on 6-16. 

The standout for Gally was PG Jon Mowl--7-9, 18 points.  Played really solid on offense, but his defense was rather suspect--he commited some really dumb fouls.  So did Brad Miller.

On senior night, Matt Spirenberg also contributed with 6 points and 5 rebounds in 8 minutes.

So, overall, a good game, good atmosphere.  Lots of Gallaudet fans.  I'll leave it at that...

Catholic captures the #2 seed in the conference with York's win, and will host St. Mary's Tuesday night.

I see that Goucher won again, doing their part to get out of the York trip, but St. Mary's didn't cooperate.  Salisbury losing is certainly a bit of an upset.

So, the matchups are set at #1 York vs. #8 Goucher,  #2 Cathoilc vs. #7 St. Mary's, #3 Mary Washington vs. #6 Marymount, #4 Gallaudet vs. #5 Salisbury. 

Congrats on Gally on hosting a game...that's going to be a tough one for Salisbury. 

I was at the game...A friend of mine came down to visit.  I told him that theres this deaf team playing today vs Catholic and wanted to know if he was interested in seeing them play.  So off we go to DuFour Center...

The last time I was at DuFour was about 10-11 years ago.  Dematha was playing....and boy....I've never seen such a discplined team.  That team really kicked a$$!!!!

About the game....

I get there and the score was 8-3 in Gallaudet favor.  Hmmm....maybe Catholic are resting their players and let Gallaudet win the game...

Nope...Catholic goes on a major run to be up by 10 or so and never looked back....

The Cardinals had Gallaudet alllllll figured out.  And I wonder if other CAC teams do too.  Here is what I saw:

Every time Gallaudet went "zone" defense, its a bunch of passes and then boom a 3 pointer.  You can see those guards slowly becoming more open at each pass.  It was just a matter of time before they fire one.

Every time Gallaudet went "man to man", Catholic takes it in the middle for a cute lay up by one of their big men.

It was pretty much this way allll afternoon...  Catholic really had a major height advantage.  This is what Gallaudet's problem is (except for the Mike Kent era).  They have no "HEIGHT".   They have a bunch of great "leapers" but just done have those big boys to take up space and "hop" for easy rebounds.

Gallaudet was also playing the game of "rebounding is boring, lets just take turns shooting".  If Gallaudet want to do well in CAC they need to start blocking.  Every time there was a missed shot, theres no one around to crash the boards.  I believe their point guard Mowl had the most rebounds.  That boy is pretty aggressive.

Speaking of Mowl....The boy is very good....but he is very raw.  Matt is right about some silly fouls...give him a year or two to tweak a few things.

Luther is too skinny....needs to hit the weight room in two weeks unless Gallaudet pulls a major upset over York and then MW.  Gallaudet doesnt test their players for drugs so he can do a few cycles.

Speaking of fouls....referees suck!!!!  ohhhhh have mercy....terrible calls on both ends.  At the end of the game, the first thing my friend said was that the referees sucked.  No wonder Gallaudet's fans went ape sh1t.

Speaking of Gallaudet's fans...they were loud...they acted a little retarded...BUT...its a big game for them and their program.  I believe Duke and UMD fans are 50x worse so.....

Sorry to be blunt here but Haney was terrible.  From my point of view, I think he went 7 for 60 or so.  Trying to pull a "Kobe Bryant"...  Need to learn to trust and have faith in Frank Jackson, Mowl, and Luther a little more.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Akela15 on February 19, 2006, 10:40:19 AM
Ok, maybe WVYC isnt weak, but Dayv4life is weak.  I actually listen to WVYC everytime I can get to the homes games.  Keep up the good work guys.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 19, 2006, 11:31:00 AM
Good analysis, Killer...

Anytime you have 6 assists for the whole game, you're not playing team basketball, and that was Gally's problem--no real ball movement, only Haney and Jackson free-lancing.  Those guys are good, but they aren't THAT good, and I don't think that Haney is 100% in terms of health.  And Haney got to the line a lot, I thought he was leading with his elbow and creating space through push offs, but that wasn't going to get called, so more power to him.  I guess when you're a talented senior...

Mowls is going to be very good, certainly.  Whoever said that he was the big difference for Gally this year is right.  Most teams don't have the height Catholic has, so Gally's lack of height was a little more pronounced.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Akela15 on February 20, 2006, 01:20:35 AM
Any predictions on the 1st round games set up for Tuesday?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: John Rusnak on February 20, 2006, 09:43:43 AM
I say the streak goes to 3 and York has a week to figure out how to get back to Salem...

Gally wins their first CAC tournament game...ever?

Catholic and Mary Wash both advance to play each other in a blood bath on Thurs.

By virtue of the upset, Goucher will then travel to Gallaudet and win on the road and will then head to Catholic (who beats Mary Wash) in the championship.

After the coaches fight over starting times for the game, they play a 7:00 thriller in which Goucher wins the title by 6.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: eaglemaniac on February 20, 2006, 09:51:07 AM
Quote from: John Rusnak on February 20, 2006, 09:43:43 AM
I say the streak goes to 3 and York has a week to figure out how to get back to Salem...

Gally wins their first CAC tournament game...ever?

Catholic and Mary Wash both advance to play each other in a blood bath on Thurs.

By virtue of the upset, Goucher will then travel to Gallaudet and win on the road and will then head to Catholic (who beats Mary Wash) in the championship.

After the coaches fight over starting times for the game, they play a 7:00 thriller in which Goucher wins the title by 6.

Awful early to be drinking so much already.  :o  Then again, it is a Holiday!  I would think that all the Home teams YCP,CUA,UMW,GAL should advance. UMW may have the toughest time based on head to head results this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: John Rusnak on February 20, 2006, 10:09:53 AM
I would say realistically that every home team should really win every game in this tournament, other than maybe Mary Wash getting Catholic in the semis.  Otherwise nobody really has an excuse to be upset.

But, that's why they call it an upset.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on February 20, 2006, 10:56:31 AM
It looks as if York should run their streak at home to 33.  Over the last month who could argue that after each game they come out and dominate either at home or on the road.  Should be intresting though to see if York gets a bye and be #3 or 4 in the country by the end of the day...

Let's Go York...
Finish it at 33
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 20, 2006, 12:18:38 PM
Quote from: John Rusnak on February 20, 2006, 09:43:43 AM
I say the streak goes to 3 and York has a week to figure out how to get back to Salem...

Gally wins their first CAC tournament game...ever?

Catholic and Mary Wash both advance to play each other in a blood bath on Thurs.

By virtue of the upset, Goucher will then travel to Gallaudet and win on the road and will then head to Catholic (who beats Mary Wash) in the championship.

After the coaches fight over starting times for the game, they play a 7:00 thriller in which Goucher wins the title by 6.

I have been told the CAC has mandated a 2 p.m. tipoff for the title games.

BTW, just a few days ago it was mentioned ... by me ... that Gallaudet had indeed won a CAC tournament game before.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: John Rusnak on February 20, 2006, 03:08:23 PM
A mandated 2pm tipoff?  What kind of a time is that?  Why not 4?  What happens if both teams are hosting?  9am first game, clear the gym and clean up before 2?

You are the best Pat...I should've noted that the first time you said it.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 20, 2006, 03:40:04 PM
If both host it's at 2 and 4, Mr. Overreaction. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on February 20, 2006, 03:47:28 PM
Did he say Mr. Ovechkin?
Oops. Sorry. Any time I can mention the only reason for still being a Caps fan, I take advantage.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on February 20, 2006, 04:33:02 PM
Congrats to Coach Gamber and the Sparts for getting to #4. I'm looking forward to a great game out of York tomorrow, and I know Goucher will come in with all guns blazing to try for the upset. I'm looking for a big game out of Fass both on D and putting up points, and McGowan's good for 18-20.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: BisonKiller on February 20, 2006, 05:13:59 PM
Quote from: kitchenrat on February 20, 2006, 04:33:02 PM
Congrats to Coach Gamber and the Sparts for getting to #4. I'm looking forward to a great game out of York tomorrow, and I know Goucher will come in with all guns blazing to try for the upset. I'm looking for a big game out of Fass both on D and putting up points, and McGowan's good for 18-20.

If Goucher wins then we'll see Gallaudet in the finals vs.  probably Catholic
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: gouchersid on February 20, 2006, 05:23:37 PM
The issue of starting times for CAC playoff games was addressed last year and by a unanimous vote, it was determined that single games on Saturday could start at 2:00 or 7:00 at the discretion of the home team. If the same school is hosting both title games, the times would be 2:00/4:00 or 6:00/8:00.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on February 20, 2006, 06:08:24 PM
I think York will be resting there starters pretty early expect for kenny who is 65 points from 1000.  Im sure Gamber will keep him to get some points.

Let's all be cheering for kenny.

York Basketball

33
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: muchacho on February 20, 2006, 09:55:28 PM
QuoteI think York will be resting there starters pretty early expect for kenny who is 65 points from 1000.  Im sure Gamber will keep him to get some points.

Let's all be cheering for kenny.

York Basketball

33

Tournament time isn't the right time to start worrying about individual accomplisments. And from what I've seen of York's team over the last 2 years, they don't seem to stray from the team concept at all.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 20, 2006, 11:40:30 PM
No, I was actually thinking that.  I wouldn't even WANT him to score that many points--if that happens then York's out of synch and something's wrong because the other guys wouldn't be getting their points. I'm sure he'd rather win than get the 1,000.  If you figure York has a minimum of 4 games left, he'd have to average just over 16..attainable, I suppose.  Of course, the deeper they go (and it would be a shock if they only played 4 more games) the more likely it is.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Akela15 on February 21, 2006, 12:56:58 AM
I think it will be important to let the starters build an early lead and then rest them.  With the way Goucher has been playing as of late, it's important that the Spartans do not let them hang around because then it could be a long night.  Look forward to a good one tomorrow.  Hopefully the Spartans do cruise to a victory and let some of their bench guys get some playoff experience.  Goodluck to all teams tomorrow night.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 21, 2006, 03:32:29 AM
Quote from: gouchersid on February 20, 2006, 05:23:37 PM
The issue of starting times for CAC playoff games was addressed last year and by a unanimous vote, it was determined that single games on Saturday could start at 2:00 or 7:00 at the discretion of the home team. If the same school is hosting both title games, the times would be 2:00/4:00 or 6:00/8:00.

This is unfortunately typical of the CAC, to be a decade behind on such things.

Perhaps the 2015 CAC finals will have live video broadcasts.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: x33ycp on February 21, 2006, 09:16:40 AM
Does anyone think York will even be challenged this week in Wolf? I really dont think so....the only team that scares me a little is Mary Wash, but I say they win all 3 games by 12+....
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Coach C on February 21, 2006, 09:47:06 AM
you really think it will happen by 2015?

C
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: John Rusnak on February 21, 2006, 10:40:20 AM
These guys are 18-21.  They do not need to rest for a game that is two days away.

We are talking about guys that can drink all night, engage in multiple-partner activities for a few hours, drink some more, and still find a way to wake up after that.

They don't need rest.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: John Rusnak on February 21, 2006, 10:41:29 AM
By the way, that was not directed at any one team, so feel free to jump to conclusions about anybody you want.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on February 21, 2006, 10:43:30 AM
Robert Haney, Jr. passed former Bison great and other Indiana native, Brian Bippus (1,882 points) as #2 on the career points during last saturday Catholic game.. Anthony Jones still hold the top spot on the Gallaudet all-time scoring list with 2,255 points.

I might recall that today's first time ever that Gallaudet host a CAC play off game at home.

Salisbury @ Gallaudet - 7:30pm tonight!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on February 21, 2006, 10:54:59 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 21, 2006, 03:32:29 AM

Perhaps the 2015 CAC finals will have live video broadcasts.

A tv doubleheader with the Interstate 8?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: BisonKiller on February 21, 2006, 11:15:52 AM
Quote from: bisonpride on February 21, 2006, 10:43:30 AM
Robert Haney, Jr. passed former Bison great and other Indiana native, Brian Bippus (1,882 points) as #2 on the career points during last saturday Catholic game.. Anthony Jones still hold the top spot on the Gallaudet all-time scoring list with 2,255 points.

I might recall that today's first time ever that Gallaudet host a CAC play off game at home.

Salisbury @ Gallaudet - 7:30pm tonight!

Is that why he was ball hogging vs Catholic?   So that he could pass Bippus?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: John Rusnak on February 21, 2006, 12:03:44 PM
Pat, didn't you tell me that they've hosted before?

It is conceivable that if Goucher were to upset York that Gally could win the whole thing.  I don't see it happen, but it's got an outside chance.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: BisonKiller on February 21, 2006, 12:28:29 PM
Quote from: John Rusnak on February 21, 2006, 12:03:44 PM
Pat, didn't you tell me that they've hosted before?

It is conceivable that if Goucher were to upset York that Gally could win the whole thing.  I don't see it happen, but it's got an outside chance.

NO....Gally has never HOSTED a playoff game before....BUT they have WON a playoff game though...

last they won was in 1994 or so...vs a 9-21 Catholic team....  how Catholic was 4th seed with that record is beyond me....

If Gallaudet wins the whole damn thing then I'll reveal myself.... This "BisonKiller" is driving the whole team nuts as they don't have a clue who I am....its soooo stupid that they even thought I was one of their players, coaches, manager, or water boy....

If I were to go to ESPN.com and gave my opinion about Duke, I'm sure Duke don't give a two cents what I have to say about them.  But if I were to go here and say a thing or two about Gallaudet, the hell breaks loose.

Anyway..... I hope Goucher wins....I know Gallaudet will take care of their business with Salisbury (I hope)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on February 21, 2006, 01:21:59 PM
Quote from: BisonKiller on February 21, 2006, 11:15:52 AM
Quote from: bisonpride on February 21, 2006, 10:43:30 AM
Robert Haney, Jr. passed former Bison great and other Indiana native, Brian Bippus (1,882 points) as #2 on the career points during last saturday Catholic game.. Anthony Jones still hold the top spot on the Gallaudet all-time scoring list with 2,255 points.

I might recall that today's first time ever that Gallaudet host a CAC play off game at home.

Salisbury @ Gallaudet - 7:30pm tonight!

Is that why he was ball hogging vs Catholic?   So that he could pass Bippus?

Nope, it is not the reason why he is a ball hogging.. He is not even a ball hogging but a playmaker. He tried to make thing happen.. Haney, don't believe in the term of ball hogging and what even more.. it's not in his dictionary. Disagree with me then feel free to go and ask him, yourself. We happen to not play that well against Catholic in overall.. But we are move onto the conference tourney.

Good Luck to you all tonight! Let "Goucher Miracle" happen again for 3rd straight games.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: manofgor24 on February 21, 2006, 01:46:30 PM
No way Gally beats Salisbury 3 times.  I think Gally has a solid team but it is just a hard thing to do.  Look for the Gulls to advance and seek some revenge at Wolf.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: John Rusnak on February 21, 2006, 02:41:01 PM
I would agree that if I had to pick an upset game of the night, it would definitely be the 4/5 game.

Of course, I don't think anybody on here would really consider it much of an upset.

Now when Goucher beats York...that's an upset!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cugrad on February 21, 2006, 03:01:06 PM
Does anybody really believe that Goucher, or anyone else can go to York and win? The selection committee has already penciled York into the number one seed in the Mid-Atlantic - Believe It!!! 

Go CARDS!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: BisonKiller on February 21, 2006, 03:14:46 PM
Quote from: bisonpride on February 21, 2006, 01:21:59 PM
Quote from: BisonKiller on February 21, 2006, 11:15:52 AM
Quote from: bisonpride on February 21, 2006, 10:43:30 AM
Robert Haney, Jr. passed former Bison great and other Indiana native, Brian Bippus (1,882 points) as #2 on the career points during last saturday Catholic game.. Anthony Jones still hold the top spot on the Gallaudet all-time scoring list with 2,255 points.

I might recall that today's first time ever that Gallaudet host a CAC play off game at home.

Salisbury @ Gallaudet - 7:30pm tonight!

Is that why he was ball hogging vs Catholic?   So that he could pass Bippus?

Nope, it is not the reason why he is a ball hogging.. He is not even a ball hogging but a playmaker. He tried to make thing happen.. Haney, don't believe in the term of ball hogging and what even more.. it's not in his dictionary. Disagree with me then feel free to go and ask him, yourself. We happen to not play that well against Catholic in overall.. But we are move onto the conference tourney.

Good Luck to you all tonight! Let "Goucher Miracle" happen again for 3rd straight games.

Oh really....I'm not the only one thinking that he was ball hogging...Pretty much everyone else I've spoken to that was was the game did too.  'Pride, you are the first to disagree with my assessment.  Even our beloved Cardinal fan Matt felt the same way even though he didn't directly say it.

Matt wrote: 

"...On the other hand, they played great defense on Haney and Jackson who had subpar games even though they got their points--17 for Haney, but on 5-17 shooting..."

then he said:

"...Anytime you have 6 assists for the whole game, you're not playing team basketball, and that was Gally's problem--no real ball movement, only Haney and Jackson free-lancing.  Those guys are good, but they aren't THAT good..."

If I was shooting 5 for 17, I'd stop shooting.  Hell, I'd be afraid of the coach jumping on my arse.  A 5 for 17 shooting tells me that "I'm not having a good shooting game...perhaps its time for me to get more of my teammates involved"

Haney (and Jackson) can't possibly be the only players on this Gallaudet squad that can shoot the ball...
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on February 21, 2006, 03:44:42 PM
Barring any "suprises" Thursday's potential showdown at the "Bird Bath" aka Dufour between the feathered rivals MW and CUA should the best game of the tourney. I know, York is likely to blow out the competition in all of their cames so....

If MW does meet YCP in the finals, I think YCP wins because MW has no consistent inside presence. CUA, however, does and I think provides the best matchup (it pains me). MW can "gun" with YCP but has no way of stopping low post play. CUA can get hot and make the stops it needs.


But what do I know?

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 21, 2006, 04:12:06 PM
Well, I think you're right, which probably only weakens your case....

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on February 21, 2006, 05:42:49 PM
Yes, well, this year seems as crazy as any other year so anything can happen.


I just hope Coach Wood is recruiting a big guy that will stay with the program all 4 years.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: BisonKiller on February 21, 2006, 07:49:55 PM
updates updates updates!!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on February 21, 2006, 08:40:22 PM
Half at Goolrick

UMW 40, Marymount 17

Mike Lee 15, Pierce 12 for UMW.
MU has 14 turnovers in the first half.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 21, 2006, 08:46:13 PM
At the half from YCP...

York 50-Goucher 30

York is paced by Kenny Fass and Brandon Bushey with 15 and 11 points respectively. James Russo leads the Gophers with 12 points.

York shot 64.3% (18-28) from the floor in the first half including 11-for-17 (64.7%) from three. Goucher shot 38.7% (12-31) from the floor including 5-for-16 (31.3%) from three.

The Spartans have done an outstanding job of sharing the ball as they already have 17 assists.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: BisonKiller on February 21, 2006, 09:09:30 PM
3  mins left  gally down by 1
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: BisonKiller on February 21, 2006, 09:12:27 PM
Quote from: BisonKiller on February 21, 2006, 09:09:30 PM
3  mins left  gally down by 1

now down by 4
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on February 21, 2006, 09:13:46 PM
7:15 left...
UMW 73, MU 48

Lee has seven 3's, four Eagles in double figures
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: BisonKiller on February 21, 2006, 09:19:19 PM
Quote from: BisonKiller on February 21, 2006, 09:12:27 PM
Quote from: BisonKiller on February 21, 2006, 09:09:30 PM
3  mins left  gally down by 1

now down by 4

Oh well....Gallaudet loses 55-56
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on February 21, 2006, 09:39:05 PM
Final - UMW 86, MU 63

Lee 25, Pierce 23, Fitzgerald 18 pts, nine assists Kiernan Whitworth had 13 pts and 11 rebs.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 21, 2006, 09:39:40 PM
Final from York...

York 89-Goucher 68

Details later
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: eaglefan on February 21, 2006, 09:40:27 PM
Feel for you Gally.  Have always admired the program.
Let's go Eagles.  Let me hear confirmation of the W!
What's up with Catholic?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: eaglefan on February 21, 2006, 09:43:21 PM
Great win for UMW.  Have to admit I was a bit concerned going into the game.  Now on to a big roll!  GO EAGLES
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: unreallawns on February 21, 2006, 09:44:55 PM
It's hard to beat a team 3 times in a season.  Who does Salisbury play next?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on February 21, 2006, 09:50:01 PM
York 89 Goucher 68

This game was over with about 35 minutes to go as York connected there first 8 3's of the game.  Fass had 25 and now only needs 45 points to reach 1,000.  Looks like Salisbury is coming in here for another game and we all know what happened last time, it was not pretty at all.  31 and counting, hopefully they show up and are ready to bring there game to Wolf Gym.

McGowan for MVP

And I am sorry but Garritt and Russo are not POY, they do not share the ball and just jack up 3's.  If anything Russo is the better player.

24-2 for York College
See everyone Thursday
Salisbury please show up.
There has not been a game here since Mary Wash
Peace
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: BisonKiller on February 21, 2006, 10:05:49 PM
I dont have all the details from the Gal/Sal game...

but I can tell ya this:

Gally was leading 3/4th of the game....then about 4 minutes or so, Sal went on a 11-4 run to be up by one with 2-3 minutes left... Gal had the ball with 7 seconds left but couldn't get the job done.....am sure Bison Pride will fill us in with details....

All in all....it was a good year for Gally...  they'll miss Haney and Jackson but they have a nice group of short guys who will keep them on the winning track for the next few years.....


I just got the word.... DC cops are at Gallaudet campus...apparently one of the referees hit a "girl".....dunno what that was about....'Pride you want to fill us in on this one??
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cuguy on February 21, 2006, 10:35:29 PM
CUA 96- SMC 73. Scott Fumai had 28, a career high.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 21, 2006, 10:56:27 PM
Wow...sounds like blowout night in the CAC for the top 3 seeds.

Catholic played probably their most complete game of the season.  They were really clicking...this game as over 5 minutes in.   As was posted, Scott Fumai was on fire--28 points on 9-13 (5-8 from 3).  He had help--Pat Dwyer was 9-9 for 17, and Sowden and Satalin each had 12.   Satalin played a really nice game tonight, actually, he had 5 assists and a few of them were really well orchestrated.  Mish also contributed with 9 points on 4 of 5.

Overall, Catholic shot 65% and held SMC to 33%.  Tyson Lesense led SMC with 21 points...but on 6-20 shooting.  Frankly, he wasn't even close to the best player on the floor.   And I wish I could say he refrained from extracurricular activities, but he and his friends certainly did their best to start trouble at the end of the game.  Security neutralized the problem.

Anyway, moral of the story is that when Catholic hit's their 3's like they did tonight (10-18), they are  extremely tough to beat.  They had 28 assists on 35 baskets--that's team basketball.  That's how you win.

Should be an outstanding matchup against Mary Wash Thursday night.  DuFour will be rocking.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 21, 2006, 11:38:14 PM
Details from YCP...

Kenny Fass led the Spartans with a career-high 25 points as he was a blistering 8-for-11 from the field including a mind-numbing 6-for-9 from distance for the game. Fass added five rebounds, three steals and an assist in 27 minutes of play. It is the second consecutive game that Fass has established a career-high after pouring in 24 points in the win over Mary Washington on Saturday. Brian Singer was also highly efficient for the Spartans as he added 16 points on 8-of-9 shooting from the floor in just 17 minutes. Singer added five rebounds to the Spartan cause. Brandon Bushey contributed 14 points, a career-high tying six assists, and two rebounds to York attack. Chad McGowan was the fourth Spartan in double figures with 10 points and four rebounds. Junior point guard Brad Zerfing put together another steady effort with eight points, a team-high seven dimes, and five caroms in 23 minutes of action. Nate Fry chipped in with nine points and six boards for York. Senior Paddy Lee pulled down nine boards for the Spartans while he handed out three assists in addition to recording one blocked shot and one steal.

The Gophers were led by James Russo as the junior sharp shooter tallied a game-high 29 points while he also had five rebounds, three assists, and two steals. Russo was 9-for-21 from the floor including 6-for-15 from three and 5-for-5 from the free throw line. Jonathan Garritt closed out his stellar career with 19 points, five assists, four rebounds, and a steal in 40 minutes of work. Tim Merritt added eight points and five rebounds to the Gopher offense.

The Spartans finished the game shooting 56.7% from the floor including 51.6% (16-for-31) from three. The 16 three point field goals are a season-high and is just one short of tying a school record. York made all five of their free throws for the game. Goucher shot an identical 12-for-31 (38.7%) in both halves while they finished the game 12-for-35 (34.3%) from three. The Gophers sank 8-of-11 from the charity stripe.

If Kenny Fass doesn't earn a berth on one of the All-CAC teams, it would be a big joke. He's a guard shooting 61.3% (117-191) from the floor, 52.9% (46-87) from three and leads the team in offensive rebounds with 62 and steals with 44. He is averaging 12.3 points and 5.0 rebounds per game. He has been huge for the Spartans all year. Sorry, I had to add that editorial comment.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 21, 2006, 11:54:16 PM
Plus, his shooting was 'blistering' and 'mind-numbing!'

Damn, I need to work on my adjectives.  I think I sold Fumai short by not stepping up with my descriptions.  Let me try again.  He had an incredible 28 points on a shocking 9-13, including an orgasmic 5-8 from 3.

How's that?

;D

I'm just messing.  Seriously, its nice to see somebody like that who generally makes his teammates better but does it quietly step out and get his points.  1,000 should be a cinch for him now.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 22, 2006, 12:17:04 AM
Matt,

I was rolling with the adjectives tonight. I was "in the zone" :)

You have the elevate your game in the post season.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: manofgor24 on February 22, 2006, 12:20:59 AM
Gally fans are rediculous.......somthing should have been done during that game but for some reason they are allowed to act like idiots.  After the game, a ref was punched in the face.  A freakin zoo I tell ya.  No class at all.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 22, 2006, 12:35:08 AM
I was, to put it mildly, disappointed with the behavior of a minority of Gally fans at the CUA game the other night.   It only takes a few to cause trouble, but some of the stuff that was going on was beyond the pale and a shame.  Its too bad it continued and put a pall on what was a very successful season for Gally and their first home playoff game.

But nevertheless, let me congratulate Haney and Jackson on their stellar careers.  And let me also toss out Coach DiStephano's name out there for COY.   I think he's a strong candidate.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: andre james smith on February 22, 2006, 02:12:10 AM
Great win and confidence booster for the Eagles tonight heading into another grudge match on Thursday night.  It was great to see that Mike Lee is back in his old form, knocking down 8-13 from long range and even better to see A.J. back in the mix. 
Any thoughts on Thursday's matchup.... looks like Wood needs to find someone to stick to Fumai like CUA does to Lee.
Are the Lady Cardinals hosting a game at 6?
A ref punched in the face..... thats a new low for this league...
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 22, 2006, 03:09:27 AM
Yes usually that is reserved for players on opposing coaches.  :-\
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: BisonKiller on February 22, 2006, 05:36:04 AM
Quote from: manofgor24 on February 22, 2006, 12:20:59 AM
Gally fans are rediculous.......somthing should have been done during that game but for some reason they are allowed to act like idiots.  After the game, a ref was punched in the face.  A freakin zoo I tell ya.  No class at all.

What can you tell me about that "controversal" push-off foul by Mowl near the end of the game?  Apparently this is what made the fans to act like a bunch of wild apes.  I don't have all the info at this time.  Just getting bits and pieces.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on February 22, 2006, 08:13:48 AM
Thursday night at the Bird Bath baby!
Great showings from MW and CUA last night -
Should be a real fist fight, I'm guessing low scoring
Having A.J. back at PG should provide the difference in the game (he didn't play at dufour last time, OT)

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on February 22, 2006, 08:56:14 AM
It goes without saying that York hit on each and every cylinder last night. They came out making the extra pass against Goucher's zone and took what they wanted whether it was three after three from Fass, Bushy and even McGowan or pounding it down low to Chad or Singer. Singer looked like that 25 year old 6-2 guys who shows up at the park with a six pack of PBR,  asks a bunch of 12 year olds if he can play with them and summarily proceeds hold the ball over the little kids heads and get every rebound and simple shots in the pain. The rest of the team just looked like they were shooting in warm ups, because they almost were. I don't know if Coach Trevino was hoping for a cold shooting night, but god knows he rarely employed a man to man and even in his zone it didn't look as if they were stepping out to deny passes or shots. I'm hoping someone from Goucher can tell me if Russo had some sort of personal milestone he was aiming for, as Kenny does, because he took a lot of first look shots. It being Jonathan Garritt's last game and all, I thought he may try and have a bigger game on his way out, but he seamed content with getting the ball in Russo's hands and letting him rain down shots.
       Other than some more down right rec league like officiating it was quite an enjoyable night to be a York fan. Someone will have to tell these guys that to call a walk you have to be looking at the players feet not a ball fake and his upper body. Likewise, to call a play either in or out of bounds it helps if you are looking at the play, not up court in anticipation of a fast break after a steal. I'm not bitter, I know they miss calls both ways, and in this game at least they let the boys play, as evidenced in the 12 total fouls called in the second half. I know the players are fired up for a chance to take Salisbury out again, with that game in December still on their minds, and Thursday the Kitchen will be rockin'. GO YORK!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: BisonKiller on February 22, 2006, 09:15:13 AM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on February 22, 2006, 12:35:08 AM
I was, to put it mildly, disappointed with the behavior of a minority of Gally fans at the CUA game the other night.   It only takes a few to cause trouble, but some of the stuff that was going on was beyond the pale and a shame.  Its too bad it continued and put a pall on what was a very successful season for Gally and their first home playoff game.

But nevertheless, let me congratulate Haney and Jackson on their stellar careers.  And let me also toss out Coach DiStephano's name out there for COY.   I think he's a strong candidate.

Matt do you not mind go into details about Gally's fans at CUA?  You've must've saw/heard something that I didn't.  Then again I must've been on the wrong side of the bleachers.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: John Rusnak on February 22, 2006, 10:25:59 AM
Good one, Pat, lol...
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: manofgor24 on February 22, 2006, 10:47:28 AM
The call at the end of the Gally game was an easy one to make IMO.  Mowl drove to the basket and extended his arm to create some space.  He made contact with a Salisbury gaurd and the move was clearly an offensive foul.  The fans went crazy.  They were led by one in particular who resembled William Wallace.  His face was painted blue and was constantly yelling into the Salisbury huddle.  At one point I thought he was on the team but because he was straight out of Braveheart, I could tell the difference.  After the game, the fans ran after the refs and it appeared that it spilled into the opposite hallway or even outside.  After a few minutes, a ref appeared with a tissue and kept wiping his nose to remove any left over blood.  I heard him discussing the incident with campus police.  I love Gally's spirit and the atmosphere was great, but at times it went overboard.  What happened after the game was just crazy.  They need to get that place under control and having fellow students work as "security" at the game just isn't going to cut it.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: BisonFan on February 22, 2006, 12:20:53 PM
First of all, before anyone hates on the Gally fans, turn on your TV and see how obnoxious the ACC fans are. I don't know why anyone would down these students for showing a little school spirit. Second of all, if  you were not at the game at CUA, you cannot speak of the stuff that went on. The Cu fans called a few of the hard of hearing deaf students some VERY inappropriate racial slurs and even held up signs like "Whether we win or lose, we can still can hear". Someone's butt should have been kicked for that one. Never mind the fact that it the CUA fan who was THROWN out of the gym by the referee. Third of all to say the Gally fans are" ridiculous and act like idots " is just unneccessary. They are allowed to show a little school spirit just like you! So get over it and let the players play.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: BisonKiller on February 22, 2006, 12:28:10 PM
Quote from: BisonFan on February 22, 2006, 12:20:53 PM
First of all, before anyone hates on the Gally fans, turn on your TV and see how obnoxious the ACC fans are. I don't know why anyone would down these students for showing a little school spirit. Second of all, if  you were not at the game at CUA, you cannot speak of the stuff that went on. The Cu fans called a few of the hard of hearing deaf students some VERY inappropriate racial slurs and even held up signs like "Whether we win or lose, we can still can hear". Someone's butt should have been kicked for that one. Never mind the fact that it the CUA fan who was THROWN out of the gym by the referee. Third of all to say the Gally fans are" ridiculous and act like idots " is just unneccessary. They are allowed to show a little school spirit just like you! So get over it and let the players play.

Fan when it is 100 fans vs. 2 referees in the parking lot, THAT IS WAYYYYYY OVERBOARD.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 22, 2006, 12:44:38 PM
Now hold on here.  I didn't want to go into this, but if that sort of accusation is going to be made than I have to respond.

First of all, I never saw a sign like that.  If I had, I would have personally gone over and ripped it away.  I find it very hard to believe there was a sign like that there, particularly with the President of the university in attendence for senior night.

Second, there were no racial slurs whatsoever.  I imagine you're referring to a particular incident that happened behind the scorer's table.  I was sitting in the middle of that and even, I suppose you could say, involved in it.  The Gallaudet fans sitting down there---on the Catholic side, mind you---didn't like the Catholic fans cheering, and there was some back and forth.  Then a particular individual stood up and accused us of using a particular racial slur that is absolutely not in my vocabulary and never has been or will be.  It escalated from there and they tried to make it physical but Campus Police intervened.  That word was NEVER said and we all resented the fact that accusation was even made.

That particular group of Gallaudet fans was asked to leave the gym, as was one Catholic fan.  It calmed the situation down and there were no problems after that.   It should be noted that I don't think this group even WENT to Gallaudet, so nobody is "hating" on students.

Now, when you have a situation where a group of fans are physicall assaulted a referee for ANY reason, that's a problem.   Although I have very little confidence in this league, I would assume they would intervene here and gets this situation straightened out.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cuabigdog on February 22, 2006, 12:45:56 PM
bisonkiller
.. i was at the game at DuFour Center vs. Gally and do not remember ever seeing a sign saying what you claim..i'm not saying cua fans are perfect but i do feel they are respectful of opposing teams in that regard.. 2nd true it was a cua fan who was ejected early in the game for using obsence language at the official in question... 3rd what you failed to mention was that late in the game it was 2  Gally fans escorted out of the gym for causing a physical altercation. that being said  Gally  deserves every round of applauds it get for having and outstanding season...
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on February 22, 2006, 12:47:57 PM
As a fan, and i attend many games and often engage in heckling, there a few rules to abide by. These rules are just plan moral common sense and keeps cheering for your team and heckling within the competitive arena:

1. No racial/sexual/disability jabs
2. After the game, leave the refs alone.
3. Fans can cheer for their team, against/for refs, and against/for other teams, fans should not be threatening to fight opposing team's fans, etc. Just not classy.
4. Opposing fans, after the game, leave the game on the court/in the stands. Many times after games with heated cheering, I've ending talking with the opposing team's fans and talking about good/funny cheers for either side.
5. For current students, if you're going to arrive with a measurable BAC, try to kep in perspective that your cheering may be offensive/go over the line with some fans (especially with children, etc) in the crowd.

Anyways, just soem things I've pick up going to CAC, NCAA tourney, out-of conference games. Feel free to add or discuss.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: BisonKiller on February 22, 2006, 12:55:05 PM
Quote from: cuabigdog on February 22, 2006, 12:45:56 PM
bisonkiller
.. i was at the game at DuFour Center vs. Gally and do not remember ever seeing a sign saying what you claim..i'm not saying cua fans are perfect but i do feel they are respectful of opposing teams in that regard.. 2nd true it was a cua fan who was ejected early in the game for using obsence language at the official in question... 3rd what you failed to mention was that late in the game it was 2  Gally fans escorted out of the gym for causing a physical altercation. that being said  Gally  deserves every round of applauds it get for having and outstanding season...

Huh?  WTF you talking about?  I didnt say anything about CUA/Gallaudet game.  It was BisonFan that made that post not THE KILLER!!!!!!!

Damn you...now you pissed me off....this is me getting pissed off after reading your post:

http://www.break.com/index/patiencechild.html
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: John Rusnak on February 22, 2006, 12:58:24 PM
What exactly would a really offensive racial slur be against a deaf person?  I was not aware that being deaf was a race.

And to be really insensitive, if they were calling them names, how would they know?

But forgetting all of that, I can say that Gallaudet fans traditionally have had issues with control.  I'm not saying all, but there are always some that seem to have no regard for obeying the rules or staying in control during a game.

Also, I don't care what happened, there is no excuse to ever punch a referee...I mean, there is, but you don't do it.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cuabigdog on February 22, 2006, 01:00:33 PM
bisonkiller...

my deepest apologies for misreading name..
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: unreallawns on February 22, 2006, 01:09:50 PM
When going to Gally as an opposing team, you must know going in that you are going to take shots after the whistle and that there are going to be obnoxious fans that will cross the line i.e. throwing things onto the court during the game.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: John Rusnak on February 22, 2006, 01:33:48 PM
Quote from: unreallawns on February 22, 2006, 01:09:50 PM
When going to Gally as an opposing team, you must know going in that you are going to take shots after the whistle and that there are going to be obnoxious fans that will cross the line i.e. throwing things onto the court during the game.

That's the point.  Taking a shot after the whistle is understandable.  They can't hear it so they keep playing, I can appreciate that.

The fans have no excuse.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: andre james smith on February 22, 2006, 01:43:05 PM
Goonie, you are right on point.  As long as you keep the hecking directed towards the opposing players, during the game, and do not use any inappropriate remarks, that is just part of the home court advantage.  The second that threats are made, curse words thrown out, or any funny business after the game occurs, that is when things are out of hand.  I know that the current UMW/CUA rivalry has been heated in the past 3 or 4 years, but I do not see there being any problems tomorrow night because no fan would want to in any way hurt his team's chances of winning and heading to York for the CAC championship.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 22, 2006, 01:52:33 PM
Agreed Andre.

I don't think there have been any recent fan problems between CUA/MW.

Yeah, you can't use bad language towards a player, coach or ref.  That's the key.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: manofgor24 on February 22, 2006, 01:54:04 PM
BisonFan, The players played.  I never once questioned the effort on the floor.  In responce to your comparison to ACC fans I was wondering, have you ever been to a division 1 basketball game?  There are set boundries that fans cannot cross.  There are real security gaurds and staff members on hand (not student staff that want fans to be crazy.  When is the last time you saw a fan run behind Gary Williams' huddle and start screaming.  You have'nt because the only place it is allowed in the country is at Gallaudet.  If fans act that way, they are usually kicked out but for some reason it is standard at Gally to act that way.  I loved the turn out and the noise, but about 15 of your fans should have been removed.  This would have prevented the assault on the ref.  End of Story.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on February 22, 2006, 01:57:39 PM
Yeah, maybe with good behavior we can get out of negative karma! :P

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: thebison on February 22, 2006, 02:24:17 PM
There are some things I wanted to reply to- I was at both the Catholic and Salisbury games-

The Catholic Game-

In addition to the "at least we can hear" sign (which I saw), there was a "You Sucks" sign too, a sign that I think crosses the line as well. But I have to say to some of the Catholic students that learned a few insults in ASL, that was pretty creative. The signs were overboard however, and nobody has the right to defend those just because you didn't see them, or your university prez was there, because all of us sure as heck did.

And the incident with the racial slurs etc- believe it or not not every deaf person is profoundly deaf. The vast majority of us have some degree of hearing, and many of us can hear very well. You add that in with lip reading, we get by a lot better than you may think. And to think that not a single hearing person would support Gallaudet or sit wtih us as well is absurd- anything said behind our backs is more likely to be heard than you may think. And that racial slur was one of the things said behind the girl's back, and I bet the guy who said it was shocked the girl could hear that well. But that aside, I had a fun time jawing with the Catholic fans and I thought the game went well and security took care of the situation a little slower than I would have liked, but it was handled niceley.

The Gally/Salisbury game:

I'm just absolutely disgusted with what happened, and I hate to see that the actions of such few students are marring what was a superb season. Let me recount the story from what I have been able to find out (I even talked to the person who punched the ref) and the entire situation could have been avoided. Let me tell u the bottom line before I go any further, and that is the few Gallaudet fans that would have failed breathalizer tests should have just backed off when the game was over. There is no arguing this point, and if everyone had just gone home when the game was over, nothing would have happened. This was poor sportsmanship on their part.

That being said: We are talking about 5-6 fans who pursued the refs and just continued to give him an earful. They followed him to his car and when he got in his car (which I must point out was a very nice Mercedes Bentz), they wouldn't back off the car and kept yelling at the ref. The ref then proceeded to get out of his car, and the car door slammed open, hitting some students, and the referee threw a punch which landed squarely on the jaw of a female student. The other students went livid at this and started to scuffle with the other ref, both throwing punches that missed. Another ref saw this happening as he was leaving and he ran and jumped on the fan wrestling with the first ref. The fan then swung one punch which connected on the second ref and bloodied his nose. DPS pulled everyone apart, DC police arrived, and statements were taken. No arrests were made, because it seems the Gallaudet students were acting in self defense (again I say the students should not have been there in the first place) and the girl who was first punched by the ref ended up going to the hospital to check out a possible whip lash.

I think its safe to say those refs will probably never ref a game again here at Gallaudet, and I think its extremely unfortunate. Believe me when I say Gallaudet will take action against those students.

But moving on from this incident, I hate the fact that every one of you are referring to us as animals and talking about how crazy we are. We love our basketball team, believe it. And when we have home court advantage, we're gonna make sure we use it to make up our undersized team.

Braveheart, the fan painted blue and screaming at the Salisbury bench all night certainly did his job. He annoyed the hell out of me all night, and I'm sure fans across the court couldn't stand his voice as well. But I have to say, he kinda did his job. He annoyed the Salisbury players a lot more than he did the Gally players, and I think it's worth the tradeoff. But again, once that buzzer sounded, he should've washed off the paint and called it a season.

The last thing I wanted to talk about was about the push-off call.

I thought the call at first was absolutely horrible, but after watching the video replay, I was just sickened, and partially glad the ref got a bloody nose (bad joke, I know). Several things to talk about here on this play- Jon was pushing off the defender the entire night, and no calls were made. To make that call with 1.1 seconds left and no prior warning is just unfair. The second thing is that he didn't push off the player. The separation between the defender was already made, and the forward momentum that he had going for him when he stopped and pulled back for a fadeaway jumper let his arm get away from him, but it did not make any contact with the defender (there's video evidence). The other thing I wanted to say is that in a playoff game, with just seconds on the clock and one team up by one, shouldn't the refs just let the players play and let the shot decide the game? To make an offensive call that was not clean cut (if Jon had run over the defender, or the defender fell, it would have been different, but the defender was still in position to contend the shot) and for the referee to decide the game is just unfair. The rule of thumb is to let the players decide, not for the ref to make a call against the home crowd that maybe 6 out of 10 refs would let slide. Any of the seven other CAC teams would have been livid at the call, and believe me we were.  Every fan had every right to chew that ref's ass out for the remaining 1.1 seconds, but once that buzzer sounded, that's where it should have stopped. It was great seeing a freshman step up and take this shot (which he nailed, by the way) and I think that a freshman with this type of confidence should be a shoo in for ROY honors.

Major props to Haney's 37 in his final collegiate game. (He opened 5-5 from 3-point range)

We're looking forward to next year, and hopefully the ugly mess with the refs can be left behind us. Without a doubt security will be beefed up at games from now on, and I don't see this happening again, ever.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: unreallawns on February 22, 2006, 02:42:52 PM
I'm sure if you disected the entire game film, you could find plenty of terrible calls.  This is the CAC.  Regardless if "Jon was pushing off the defender the entire night", a foul is a foul and it should have been called.  Perhaps Coach Holmes had mentioned it to the refs and they finally made the call.  If it was the wrong call, that's a shame but people need to stop blaming officials for losses.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 22, 2006, 02:53:18 PM
My two cents here.....there was an instance a few years ago when Andy O'Brien was at the free throw line at Gallaudet and nearly got hit by a three-quarters full Sprite bottle thrown from the stands so I don't think the recent Gallaudet incidents are isolated. Thank goodness the fan had bad aim or Andy could have been injured.
It's the ugly truth that no one wants to talk about. There are a majority of Bison fans who are passionate and support their team in a loud and positive manner. There is a minority of fans that make that majority look very bad and gives Gallaudet a reputation that is not a positive or desirable one. Unfortunately, this reputation, to people who just make one or two trips a year  to Gallaudet, seem very well earned.
Some of the things I heard come from the stands during York's trip down there this year are things that should not have been, or would be anywhere else, tolorated. There was a fan kicked out after standing behind the scorers table screaming obscenities at the game official after there was a scrum on the baseline. The official had to kick him out and if the fan wanted to make an issue, I am not sure there was security that could have made him get out. It's a shame that a few bad apples ruin it for true Gallaudet basketball fans. We had a handful of Gallaudet students screaming obscenities at our kids on the way out. Thank goodness our team kept their cool and headed to the locker room.

Hopefully we can get back to basketball conversation with a pair of great games coming up on Thursday. York has to continue to play well because Salisbury wants to prove they aren't as bad as they played on January 28. I would fully expect to see Salisbury come out firing on all cylinders and give the Spartans a great game. The CUA/UMW match should be a classic with two different styles clashing at DuFour. Good luck to the remaining four squads.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: gouchersid on February 22, 2006, 02:54:39 PM
Quote from: Salem, VA on February 21, 2006, 09:50:01 PM
York 89 Goucher 68

This game was over with about 35 minutes to go as York connected there first 8 3's of the game.  Fass had 25 and now only needs 45 points to reach 1,000.  Looks like Salisbury is coming in here for another game and we all know what happened last time, it was not pretty at all.  31 and counting, hopefully they show up and are ready to bring there game to Wolf Gym.

McGowan for MVP

And I am sorry but Garritt and Russo are not POY, they do not share the ball and just jack up 3's.  If anything Russo is the better player.

24-2 for York College
See everyone Thursday
Salisbury please show up.
There has not been a game here since Mary Wash
Peace


York missed two of its first three 3-point attempts of the game, so I can't figure out how you can say the Spartans connected on THEIR first eight three-pointers of the game.

OK, that's nitpicky.

If I had a vote for CAC POY, I would cast it for McGowan. I do believe both Goucher players should be considered for All-CAC honors, but even if I wasn't the Goucher SID, I wouldn't vote for a player from a 3-21 team to be conference POY. But how do you say Garritt and Russo are not POY because they do not share the ball and just jack up 3's. Last night they were credited with a combined eight assists (not close to a record, but to me suggests they do share the ball) and they attempted 17 three-pointers and 16 two-pointers (hardly a ratio that suggests they just jack up 3's).

I, like the other CAC SID's, tend not to express my opinions on here very often. However, every now and then there is that one post that just begs for a reply.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on February 22, 2006, 03:00:16 PM
As for a comment to the Gally and all fans of the CAC (esp Students): Be passionate, be creative, beHAVE! See my rules in above post to see how many rules were broken by all fans in the incidents being talked about.

Yes, great games coming up. Can't wait for feathers to fly this thursday.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 22, 2006, 03:08:56 PM
Bison,
Problem is that you lose credibilty with me because you're inaccurately describing an incident I was a part of.

In terms of the sign, if it was there as you say it was, it shouldn't have been.  I remained shocked--it must have been well-hidden.  I apologize if you say you saw it.  It isn't indicative of the way the CUA community feels, and I think that Gallaudet has been around Catholic University enough to know that.

But the 'racial insult' stuff is wrong.

First of all, the fans you are talking about could hear.  They weren't students.  Nobody ever said they were.   These group was interacting with the Catholic fans during the whole 1st half.   Nobody said anything to them thinking they couldn't hear since we knew they weren't deaf.  And since the whole thing started when she told me to 'shut up,'  its pretty clear that wasn't the issue.  The issue was a blantanly false accusation that somebody around where I was sitting used a racial slur.    It flat out didn't happen.  You weren't there so you don't know, you can take her word for it if you want but it was false.  And we have every right to be insulted to be accused of something like that.  You wouldn't like it either, I'm sure.

And finally, your statement that: "I hate the fact that every one of you are referring to us as animals and talking about how crazy we are."

Is an exxageration.  Not everyone is calling you 'animals.'  I think one person used that term and that was somebody at the game last night who obviously feels passionate.  Everyone understands that we are talking about a SMALL minority of fans.  I think people have shown respect to the Gallaudet program all year in here and you shouldn't just dismiss that because of some negative comments.  Its legitimate to question how a situation like the one last night could happen--that should be raising red flags that security is not accurate and that some fans went overboard.   That doesn't mean people are calling all Gallaudet fans 'animals.'
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on February 22, 2006, 03:14:41 PM
What ever happened to the days of stealing your rivals school mascots?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on February 22, 2006, 03:23:44 PM
Or showing up two hours early to an away game to avoid paying and jeering the other team as they shoot around...
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on February 22, 2006, 03:28:05 PM
Yeah, Andre, you still owe Andy Dickman for hitting those two 3's in warm-ups. So pay up!

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: John Rusnak on February 22, 2006, 03:36:55 PM
I remember the days when it was cheap shots from the Gallaudet players that everybody was worried about, not the fans.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: John Rusnak on February 22, 2006, 03:37:56 PM
Quote from: manofgor24 on February 22, 2006, 01:54:04 PM
In responce to your comparison to ACC fans I was wondering, have you ever been to a division 1 basketball game?  There are set boundries that fans cannot cross.  There are real security gaurds and staff members on hand (not student staff that want fans to be crazy.  


Unless of course you're at a U of M/MSU game, in which case drunk fans can go right up to the players...and you saw what happened to that guy!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: BisonFan on February 22, 2006, 03:43:08 PM
I never once justified attacking a ref. There is no justification in that. Someone made a stupid decision regarding the referee, but that person does not represent the team or the majority of its fans.  As for the sign, you can speak to the SID or the Assistant AD who REMOVED THE SIGN!!!!And yes I was offended. And to make it perfectly clear, I was there for the comment. Either way, it should not have happened, tempers shouldn't have goten that heated over a basketball game.  As for the comment about whether or not I have been to ACC game or whether or not fans can yell at Gary Williams...
I have been to plenty of ACC games and no the students don't do that. Yes, they have better security, but wouldn't you with a $4million facility?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: BisonFan on February 22, 2006, 03:46:15 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on February 22, 2006, 03:08:56 PM
Bison,
Problem is that you lose credibilty with me because you're inaccurately describing an incident I was a part of.

In terms of the sign, if it was there as you say it was, it shouldn't have been.  I remained shocked--it must have been well-hidden.  I apologize if you say you saw it.  It isn't indicative of the way the CUA community feels, and I think that Gallaudet has been around Catholic University enough to know that.

But the 'racial insult' stuff is wrong.

First of all, the fans you are talking about could hear.  They weren't students.  Nobody ever said they were.
YES THEY WERE
These group was interacting with the Catholic fans during the whole 1st half.   Nobody said anything to them thinking they couldn't hear since we knew they weren't deaf.  And since the whole thing started when she told me to 'shut up,'  its pretty clear that wasn't the issue.  The issue was a blantanly false accusation that somebody around where I was sitting used a racial slur.  
YOU ARE DEFINED BY THE COMPANY YOU KEEP
 It flat out didn't happen.  You weren't there so you don't know
YES I WAS
, you can take her word for it if you want but it was false.  And we have every right to be insulted to be accused of something like that.  You wouldn't like it either, I'm sure.

And finally, your statement that: "I hate the fact that every one of you are referring to us as animals and talking about how crazy we are."

Is an exxageration.  Not everyone is calling you 'animals.'  I think one person used that term and that was somebody at the game last night who obviously feels passionate.  Everyone understands that we are talking about a SMALL minority of fans.  I think people have shown respect to the Gallaudet program all year in here and you shouldn't just dismiss that because of some negative comments.  Its legitimate to question how a situation like the one last night could happen--that should be raising red flags that security is not accurate and that some fans went overboard.   That doesn't mean people are calling all Gallaudet fans 'animals.'
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on February 22, 2006, 03:46:41 PM
Fans are fan. All schools in the CAC has over zealous fans who cross the line, so forget the few and remember the many!

And quite frankly, I'd take the Gally fans over the CUA fans who wear those awful red blazers. Yipes!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 22, 2006, 03:47:15 PM
Wait...so somebody DID remove the sign? Well that explains why we didn't see it, doesn't it?  That changes things--that means the University acted appropriately to remove an inappropriate sign.  So other than whoever had it being an idiot, that resolves that issue.  

Unless you were one of the 4 Gallaudet fans, excluding babies, sitting directly in front of me, then NO, you weren't there.  It would be impossible for anybody else to have heard anything.  You had to have been across the aisle.

Ok, enough of this.   Let's focus on the teams still playing.

So, to that end, Regional Rankings are up:

Mid-Atlantic
1 York (Pennsylvania) 21-2 23-2
2 Lincoln (Pennsylvania) 12-4 20-4
3 Alvernia 19-3 21-4
4 Widener 19-4 20-4
5 Ursinus 18-5 19-6
6 Catholic 16-5 18-6
7 Scranton 17-6 19-6
8 Albright 14-7 16-8


Catholic moves up as Johns Hopkins moves out...
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: The DUB on February 22, 2006, 03:54:38 PM
Quote from: mwgoonie on February 22, 2006, 03:28:05 PM
Yeah, Andre, you still owe Andy Dickman for hitting those two 3's in warm-ups. So pay up!



Goonie are you implying that Andy Dickman was betting on college athletics.  I hope it was a Tim Duncan style bet of a cheeseburger and not money.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 22, 2006, 03:57:10 PM
Quote from: mwcsid on February 22, 2006, 03:23:44 PM
Or showing up two hours early to an away game to avoid paying and jeering the other team as they shoot around...
Wow Clint!!! Just reminds me that both of us have been around this league a LONG time!!!

Quote from: Salem, VA on February 21, 2006, 09:50:01 PM
And I am sorry but Garritt and Russo are not POY, they do not share the ball and just jack up 3's.  If anything Russo is the better player.
You must not have watched other games between YCP and GOU. If you had, you would remember the game where Garritt was hitting everything in any of the YCP defender's face's. It wasn't that they couldn't defend him, it was the Garritt simply couldn't miss.

Russo is a good player, but imagine where the Gophers would have been without Garritt. Yes, maybe without a win (which is the difference of three). But, I would argue that they wouldn't even be close in most of their games this year. There wouldn't have been the opportunity to to beat UMW, SAL, CUA, SMC, or MMT this year. If Russo doesn't have the threat of Garritt shotting well... he certainly doesn't get a chance to shoot at all. The two of them together are better than Russo by himself. Garritt has proven a few times this year he can take on the load of the team when Russon is cold.

As for Russo was going for a personal milestone... if your shooting had been has hot as Russo's had been since the CUA game... you would be shooting the lights out, too. He hit .381 from the beyond the arc this year. That's isn't shabby. And he and Garritt both averaged over 20 points a game this season... that isn't easy.

Let's look at the averages/stats this season:
Garritt - 20.1 ppg / shot->.416 (field) .353 (3pt) .767 (FT) / 6.2 rpg / 81 assists (3.4 apg)
Russo - 20.9 ppg / shot->.397 (field) .415 (3pt) .802 (FT) / 5.9 rpg / 25 assists (1.04 apg)
Garritt & Russo were 1st & 2nd on the team in shooting (2nd & 3rd in conference).
Garritt & Russo were 1st & 2nd on the team in rebounding (7th & 9th in conference).
Garritt & Russo were 1st & 2nd on the team in FT% (4th & 5th in conference).
Russo was #1 in conference in most 3-pointers made per game (4.04).
Garritt was #1 in confernece in defensive rebounds per game (5.35)... Russo was 7th (4.48).
Russo was 6th in conference in steals.
Garritt was 8th in conference in assists.
(all conference standings might change)

So... I ask... why don't they deserve at least the recognition. Ask every coach in this league. When they played Goucher... they had to take these two into account and guard them the best they could. If that doesn't mean they don't deserve All-Conference nods... then I don't know what does.

As for the regional rankings... man this region is WEAK!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on February 22, 2006, 03:57:40 PM
But of course!

The DUB?!

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: The DUB on February 22, 2006, 04:09:35 PM
yeah goonie. . . The DUB.

You know how Miami is called "The U"

I'm trying to get M Dubs called "The Dub"  I think it'll catch on.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on February 22, 2006, 05:21:19 PM
I would expect to see Garritt on the first team but it may be asking a lot to put two players in the top 10 over all when the team has 3 wins. All of those points are great, and all of the shooting percentages are wonderful but the fact is they didn't add up to wins. If we are going to start handing out awards to guys because they kept a dreadfully bad team from being awful then where were the votes for Bret Favre for MVP last year in the NFL. 1St and 2ND team all Conference nods are supposed to go to the players who made a difference in their teams win total, not it's point differential. If we want to talk about putting together a CAC all start team, sure you throw both Garritt and Russo on there, but that's not what it is.

As for the Gally debacle I would echo mwgoonie's sentiments that each and every school has its bad apples. When you get all high and mighty about how bad another schools fans/students act, you have to remember you are just one game away from having to defend your school like the Gally folks are right now. Sure the acts we all find offensive can be mitigated by better security, or direction from a school official toward the students but that is a matter for the league to direct to the AD. There is no correlation between the prestige of the school and the actions of it's students. My father went to Harvard and one of my friends is the play by play announcer at Penn so I go to the game between them each year, and I have heard some of the most vile crap thrown at players, refs and opposing fans at those games. It goes to show you that it only takes a few people to ruin it for everyone.

PS If I did my math correctly, Thursday's game will be Brandon Bushy's 109th which is the most ever by a YCP player. Congratulations to #30. 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 22, 2006, 06:07:43 PM
D-Mac's points are valid, but you've simply got to weight those performances against players on better teams.  I don't think criticism of Garritt and Russo 'taking too many shots' is valid, because frankly there wasn't really any other way for Goucher to get offense.  But at the same time, nobody else in the league is going to be allowed, let alone encouraged, to take that many shots because there's no need for it.  So I think you can acknowledge them as good players, give at least one of them consideration for an all CAC-team, but also realize that had certain other players been on Goucher this year, they would have put up just as many points. 

Can you imagine if Brandon Bushey or Shane Sowden had been on Goucher instead of Garritt or Russo? There is no question their scoring averages would have been considerably higher because they would be the 'go-to' guys. 

Its true nobody should get high and mighty about fans, but at the same time its a unique circumstance to have a ref get hurt at a game.  Its no secret what I think of the officials in this league, but that can't happen.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: basketballguru on February 22, 2006, 07:54:32 PM
2005-2006 CAC Awards

1st Team
Tyson Lesense 22.3 ppg 4.0 rpg 3.5 apg 2 spg
Chad MCGowan 18.5 ppg 6.6 rpg 1.2 bpg 50% fg
Justin Baker 19.2 ppg 7.3 ppg 3.6 apg 1.1 spg
Robert Haney Jr. 18.7 ppg 8.0 rpg 2.7 apg 2 spg
Shane Sowden 12.4 ppg 5.9 rpg 1.7 bpg 58% fg

2nd Team
Jonathen Garritt 21.2 ppg 6.3 rpg 3.3 apg 2 spg
Brandon Bushy 13.3 ppg 3.5 rpg 2 apg 44% 3pt.
Mike Lee 15.3 ppg 5.3 rpg 3.6 apg 1.8 spg
Segun Odumeru 17.0 ppg 3.5 rpg 1.5 apg
Patrick Dwyer 12.0 6.3 rpg 50% fg

Player of the Year

Chad McGowan (Soph.) York College

Coach of the Year

Jeff Gamber York College

Freshman of the Year

Jon Mowl Gallaudet Univeristy




Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: andre james smith on February 22, 2006, 08:50:15 PM
Interesting selections... not sure I see Sowden as a first-teamer.  I think Garritt might have fit better there, but there is whole argument of how many minutes and shots players get, etc.
Also, can anyone shed some light on this WISH Act of 2006 proposed last Friday?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 22, 2006, 10:49:49 PM
Are those the real awards or just your picks?

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: BisonFan on February 23, 2006, 08:12:39 AM
HBO Real Sports with Bryant Gumble was on the campus of Gallaudet University  working on a special to be aired Tuesday March 7th, 2006 10:00 pm on HBO. The special will focus on the men's basketball team and will include interviews(, game footage, and footage from around Gallaudet's campus. WE are excited about the wonderful opportunity to showcase our student-athletes
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on February 23, 2006, 08:22:29 AM
Yeah, are those real? Will they be posted on cacsports.com?

Looking forward to the game tonight!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: The DUB on February 23, 2006, 10:09:19 AM
Looking forward to what should be a great game tonight at DuFour.  It is always a tough place to play and Catholic always steps up their game for the tournament.  I'm definitely excited to see A.J. Fitzgerald back on the floor for The Dub and the leadership and stability he brings at the point.  I spoke with him at while he was in street clothes at the last Wash @ Catholic game and he was very anxious to get back out on the floor.  Hopefully he can carry that momentum from Tuesday night over to tonights game.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 23, 2006, 10:41:33 AM
In all likelihood, tonight will be the final home game for Catholic's senior class.   Shane Sowden, Pat Satalin, Matt Spirenberg and Aaron Kelly had a run that most division 3 basketball players never get to experience.  To date, they posted a career record of 87-27 (.763%), tops in the CAC.  They've had 2 NCAA tournament appearances, won a CAC tournament, and finished first in the regular season CAC standings twice.

Shane's been a force inside.  He's got some of the best moves I've seen in a big man, and he gets up and down the court very well.  His monster slams have energized the DuFour crowd and put exclamation marks on victories.

Satalin's one of the best free throw shooters in the country (91% this year), and has hit some big shots in his career--his 3 point with 3 seconds left against GMC to force overtime in Mike Lonergan's last game comes to mind. 

Matt Spirenberg has never been the most gifted athlete, but is a brilliant guy and gives 100% every time out.  I think fans have really enjoyed his hustle and the steps he's taken to try to improve himself.

Aaron Kelly was hampered by injuries but is a scrappy, excellent defender who sets up teammates and always plays unselfish.  I think his teammates look to him for leadership and he sets a good example.

So we'll miss the group at Catholic, and wish them well in their future endeavors.  But their time is not over--a win tonight sets them up for one last chance to do something really special, either by beating York or perhaps even getting an at-large bid to the NCAA Tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on February 23, 2006, 10:53:40 AM
Looking foward to the Salibury coming here to York, should be 32 in a row after tonight.  Salisbury really struggled here and never was really in the game in late January.  They have been on a tailspin and dont expect much of a game. 

As for Garritt and Russo being on the first team or even 2nd, give me a break.  They have to take at least 75% of the teams shots.  Anyone can score that many points when you take 15-25 shots a game.  Granted the rest of the team is weak, its not fair to not take 2 York or Catholic players who are having awesome seasons.  Kenny Fass better be on the 2nd team, what he does for York is more important then any other player.  People who see him daily know exactly what I am talking about. 

Pat- if York has a bye when is the 2nd round game and can York host.  If they dont have a bye, do they host both games.

York and Catholic on Saturday my prediction
York by 20
Catholic by 5
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on February 23, 2006, 11:18:46 AM
Again, for MW, the Catholic matchup is all about A.J. running the point.

Game 1 (Goolrick w/ AJ) was a win for MW 87-73 (+14)
Game 2 (DuFour W/o AJ) was a loss 67-70 (OT, -3) but could have gone MW way too.

As far as I'm concerned, MW should win this one. Mike Lee coming off his CAC high 25 on Tuesday (Baker had his worst day). 

In either case, two different styles of basketball, always a grudge down in the Bird Bath. Should be a great one  and a good last home game and last game ever for the CUA seniors. On the MW side, lets see some Mad Dog Mattson, the lone MW senior.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cuabigdog on February 23, 2006, 11:26:25 AM
CUA over UMW by 8
YORK over SALISBURY by 15 (starters get loads of rest)

CUA upsets YORK on Sat by 4
BOTH TEAM go to NCAA's !!!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 23, 2006, 11:48:02 AM
Goonie--

I understand why you're looking at it that way, but Catholic's playing much better right now than they were for either of those games--in particular, Shane's playing better.  They should be able to do more insde than they did.  There's no reason Shane can't get 15 points against the Mary Wash interior defense, but in the game at DuFour he only took 5 shots.

Catholic had a horrible shooting night--Satalin 0-5, Fumai 2-7 so there were getting virtually zero from outside.  If they can continue their good shooting, they are a totally different team.  Also in that game, Catholic pretty much had the game wrapped up, up double digits, but then sort of fell apart before recovering in OT.  I can't imagine them having that kind of let down in an elimination game.  But we'll see--I'll be particularly interested to see how MW uses Baker.

I certainly don't think Mary Washington is the favorite, let's put it that way.  Should be a good game.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on February 23, 2006, 12:01:35 PM
Yeah, I don't think their could be a favorite in this game. Just looking at the last 5-6 seasons between the two teams shows you that either team can win at home or away, regular season or CAC tourney. Your points about fumai, shane, etc not shooting/taking shots are just as valid as AJ being or not being there. So yeah, who ever plays better should win. Yeah CUA has been playing well late in the season but MW has been playing well (enough to finish #3) without AJ. So, MW is a team that should play better than they have.

We can talk all we want, lets see what happens tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: x33ycp on February 23, 2006, 12:57:12 PM
cuabigdog,

You are dreaming if you think Catholic is going to come into Wolf and beat York. They showed me a couple weeks ago (when they lost by 30) that they simply dont have the firepower to beat York at Wolf Gym....wont happen...not a chance....York has too many weapons, and is playing the best basketball ive seen them play in the past 2 years!!

YCP- 88
Sal.-70

CUA-66
MWC-63

YCP-76
CUA-59
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cugrad on February 23, 2006, 01:15:30 PM
Catholic has to worry about MW.  These guys blew the Cards out in December.  Mary Wash has an outstanding group of guards. Those guys play tough on defense, and shoot the ball extremely well. Catholic has to find a way to shut down Baker and Lee. If the Cardinals are to win tonight, they must play at the same level that they have during their last three games. Hopefully Catholic will have a big crowd! That would help a great deal. X33 is right about somebody coming into York and knocking off the Spartans. It ain't gonna happen!!!

Go Cards!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 23, 2006, 01:45:12 PM
Oh yeah, absolutely.  They need a total effort to beat Mary Washington.  Those guys have forced me to respect them whether I wanted to or not because of how well they've held up playing as many minutes as they have.  They've got some guts.  And I like Baker as a player, I like all the things he can do.  Nobody is looking past this game--you do that, you're going home. 

Grad--I'm not going to be like bigdog making that sort of prediction, but I'm also not willing to go as far as your 'ain't going to happen' comment.  I'd say it was unlikely.  But if Catholic were to play at the level they did Tuesday night, then a game against York would be very tight and come down to the last few posessions.  And once you get to that point, anything can happen. 

I think the YCP people who didn't make the trip are probably going to seriously underestimate Catholic because the team they saw was terrible.  I can't blame them, you can only judge what you've seen.  But as I was saying that night, that performance was not indicative of the quality of the team.   York got knocked off twice this year.  You could argue both times it was a fluke, and in the Salisbury case it probably was.  But when you get knocked of a team that's also 19-5 (D3), then you should expect a good game.

Anyway, all of that doesn't matter if you don't win tonight.  In terms of the matchup, I think the key is not to let Baker AND Lee to go off.   You could probably survive one of them having a great night, but not both.  This isn't Goucher where you can let 2 guys score 50+ points and still win.   Fumai and Satalin have to create a deep threat, I think if that happens the inside game takes care of itself. 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on February 23, 2006, 03:22:30 PM
UMW 77
CUA  72


YCP  84
SAL  75
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: andre james smith on February 23, 2006, 03:44:08 PM
York 77
SAL  69

UMW 69
CUA 65

The forgotton man Jon Pierce (who is actually 8th in the conference in ppg) will come up huge tonight and lead the Eagles to York for the CAC championship.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: John Rusnak on February 23, 2006, 04:42:09 PM
I really want to take Mary Wash tonight, but I just can't do it...

YCP 82
SSU 65

CUA 71
MWC 66

No prediction for the title game just yet, but if Catholic wins both teams should be pretty locked in for the big dance.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cuabigdog on February 23, 2006, 05:04:40 PM
I remember back in 2001 that everyone said then that Catholic wouldn't make it past the second round and if i recall correctly they happen to win it all that year.. i'm not saying the same thing will happen this year (different teams/different talent) but i will never say never when it comes to the CAC. i recall that preseason pick had CUA finishing 6th ...only time will tell

GO CARDS!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 23, 2006, 05:14:26 PM
6th?? I know people did have Catholic down a ways, which I thought at the time was silly.

Rusnak, I wish you're big dance statement were true, but I fear that's not the case.  It's close, very close.  QoWI for Catholic right now is #55.  Now, 2 wins this week might bump them up a little bit, but over #50 I would think is a precarious position.   

But a win tonight would certainly give them a shot, and that's all you can ask for.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on February 23, 2006, 05:52:47 PM
Historically, EVERY time Rusnak picks against UMW, they win, so that's a good omen!!!
;D
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 23, 2006, 05:58:38 PM
Quote from: Salem, VA on February 23, 2006, 10:53:40 AM
Pat- if York has a bye when is the 2nd round game and can York host.  If they dont have a bye, do they host both games.

There's a link on the front page as of 10 this morning ... that's a repeat of a feature we ran last week ... detailing the tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 23, 2006, 08:25:52 PM
Halftime from YCP...

York 30-Salisbury 28

Just like I thought it was going to be. A team that was embarassed by how they played in their last trip to Wolf Gym and they are playing well. York is in foul trouble and did not make a field goal in the last 8:17 of the half. That field goal gave the Spartans a 25-14 lead.
Segun Odumeru leads Salisbury with 11 points while Chad McGowan leads York with eight. Salisbury goes 12-for-14 from the stripe in the half while York converts 6-of-10.

Should be an interesting second half.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on February 23, 2006, 08:34:19 PM
Halftime from DuFour Center...

Mary Washington - 32
Catholic - 39
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on February 23, 2006, 08:40:13 PM
Scott Fumai lead the way for Cards into halftime by scored 20 points (7-8 FG, 6-6 3FG). Baker of UMW had 11 points. Stoltzenthaler and Kelly had 4 assists each.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 23, 2006, 09:22:44 PM
Final from YCP...

Salisbury 66-York 64

The better team won tonight without question. Salisbury out-rebounds York by five.
More details later.

If there is a single York fan that thinks the officials cost us the game. They are crazy. Salisbury played well and York couldn't finish like they have all season.

Hopefully NCAA play awaits the Spartans.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: eaglefan on February 23, 2006, 09:32:40 PM
YCP,
I agree, hopefully York gets the respect they deserve.
Congrats Sea Gulls.  Quite a win at the Kitchen.  You are not to be overlooked.
Come on Eagles, make it happen!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on February 23, 2006, 09:34:57 PM
Final from DuFour Center..

Catholic beat Mary Washington, 69-59.

#5 Salisbury at #2 Catholic this saturday.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: eaglefan on February 23, 2006, 09:38:34 PM
Shucks!
Congrats Catholic.
Eagles, you have much of which to be proud.  Keep the commitment because I see great future success!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on February 23, 2006, 09:43:44 PM
hats off to Salisbury, they just kept hammering away down low and got a lot of boards in big spots. The only misses 2 or 3 free throws, and York was 60% or so, with a few big misses with in the last 120 seconds. I wouldn't have wanted hardly any one else at the line down 1 with :06 to go shooting a 1-1 but Zerfing missed and SU got the board. Part of being the #1 team is that everyone is always coming for you, and the Gulls had a fire tonight that was easy to understand, having won once vs York already. If I were Catholic I wouldn't take them lightly, they have 3 W's top 10 teams this year, and they play hard. I hope the Sparts use this to redouble their focus if and when they have their next game this season.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: muchacho on February 23, 2006, 10:00:07 PM
Wow...sounds like an exciting night up at York. Everybody knew that Salisbury could play with the big boys, so I don't see why it should be such a surprise that they won this game. However, I still don't think too many people saw it coming. I don't think I've heard anybody talking about Salisbury having a chance to represent the CAC in the tourny.
In the other game, its good to see Catholic put away Mary Wash. Like others said before the game, you haven't been able to predict who will win when UMW and CUA play for the last several years. I think Catholic should be pleasantly surprised to be hearing right now that they will be hosting the Championship instead of heading up to York like they thought was likely. It will be interesting to see if Salisbury can put together two upsets back to back.  They have shown many times this year that they can pull off an upset, but definitely haven't been consistent.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: patcummings on February 23, 2006, 10:01:25 PM
York is a Pool C lock.  If Salisbury beats Catholic...the Cardinals bubble is on a teetering Everest.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: njlincolnlion on February 23, 2006, 10:31:20 PM
WOW !!!  York only has three losses this year and two were at the hands of Salisbury.  Congratulations to the Gulls. It too bad Salisbury was so inconsistent this year. 

I wonder if this loss will affect York's regional ranking, although I doubt it.  Can't blame me for trying to find any edge possible for Lincoln  ;D .
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: unreallawns on February 23, 2006, 10:51:51 PM
On any given night Salisbury can beat anyone.  They have the talent.  It is unfortunate that they were inconsistent this year.  They beat York twice, Catholic once, and the ODAC champions.  It should be a great game at CUA this weekend with Salisbury already winning there once this year.  I wonder what the line would be? 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Akela15 on February 23, 2006, 11:36:23 PM
I'm shocked at the result tonight at York.  I was in attendance and York just needed to make free throws and they most likely win the game.  Unfortunate outcome but they need to refocus for the NCAA tourny because they can make a run.  They need to play better defense because Salisbury had way too many easy layups tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 23, 2006, 11:57:43 PM
Wow. What a night.

Let me start by congratulating York and Salisbury.  York's going to be a good NCAA tournament team.  I also want to praise Scott laying down the 'no excuses' gauntlet right away.  That's class, but he's a class act and York is a classy team.  

First of all, muchacho, ironically, the York loss could hurt the Cardinals if they can't beat Salisbury.  I'm worried that the NCAA may not take 3 teams from the CAC.  That being said, I think with the way they are playing and their convincing win tonight, Catholic deserves to be in the tournament.

The Cardinals are playing their best basketball of the season right now.  Once again, they were a force to be reckoned with from outside.  Coach Wood employed the same strategy of collapsing on the inside game and guarding Sowden and Dwyer...but  he got burned badly by outstanding shooting.

Scott Fumai opened the game by hitting 6 straight 3 pointers.  He had 20 points in the first half and absolutely carried Catholic into halftime.  I can't understand why Mary Wash didn't go to a man to man.  They stayed with a zone that left Scott some room to shoot and just kept draining them.

In the second half, the Mary Wash defense keyed in on Scott, and he didn't score again.  But Shane Sowden had 9 points instead, Pat Satalin picked up the slack on the outside by hitting 2 big 3 pointers, and Dwyer had 6.

Once again, the team that played the better team basketball one.  Mary Wash had 12 assists on 24 baskets.  Catholic had 21 on 24.  For Mary Wash, Mike Lee got going in the 2nd half and had 18 overall.  He's a tough kid--he and Aaron Kelly got tangled up and both were bloodied and had the leave the game.  Aaron ended up not returning with his injury, but Lee came back and was still shooting.

I thought Fitzgerald wasn't much of a factor--0 assists is not what you want from your point guard.  Baker played well but wasn't dominant.  Very solid though--he did more posting up tonight with Fitzgerald back.

This was a rough and tumble game--officials didn't blow the whistle much.  Fouls were pretty even, just not all that prevalent until the end.  

So in the end, Mary Wash played pretty well, but Catholic is clicking right now.  Its exciting to see it come together with confidence and poise.  Mary Wash never seriously threatened in this game after getting it to 3 with around 16+ left.  

Salisbury will be an extremely tough opponent Saturday.  The game will be at 4 at the DuFour center.  I must say its very nice to have the CAC Championship game back at the DuFour Center--the last 2 years were on the road.

But once again, Catholic is in it.  And most remarkable, with tonight's win, Catholic has now won 20 games or more 9 straight seasons.   Congratulations to Coach Steve Howes on his second consecutive 20 win season--not too shabby for your first two years of coaching.

Should be an exciting afternoon of basketball Saturday.  Salisbury will be pumped up and ready to play.  But with an NCAA berth on the line for the Cardinals, I don't expect a let down.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 24, 2006, 12:13:58 AM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on February 23, 2006, 11:57:43 PM
First of all, muchacho, ironically, the York loss could hurt the Cardinals if they can't beat Salisbury.  I'm worried that the NCAA may not take 3 teams from the CAC.  That being said, I think with the way they are playing and their convincing win tonight, Catholic deserves to be in the tournament.

If Catholic deserves to be in, then they should be in.  The NCAA (OFFICIALLY, at least) selects TEAMS, not conferences.  Who'd a thunk that the CCC would have two teams in this year's tourney, yet it now seems almost inevitable: Gordon (88% in-region W-L, QOWI in the top 20) was whipped in the semi's of a so-so to poor conference by 16, but the primary criteria say they are a veritable lock, nevermind how 'undeserving' the winner of that tourney may be - 2 teams.  If Catholic on their own merits deserves a C, the CAC will have 3 teams.  (But the way presumed AQs are falling, there may not be as many C slots to go around as we thought!)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 24, 2006, 12:28:16 AM
Yeah, I'll be honest -- if Catholic was going to get in with a loss at York, they'll get in with a loss to Salisbury. The only difference will be three points over 24 games of QOWI (the difference between a loss at York vs. loss to Salisbury). That's .125 -- could be a big deal, might not be.

I really don't think the committee looks at it as a problem with having three CAC teams or a certain number of teams from any particular conference..
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 24, 2006, 12:36:55 AM
I hope you are right.  I just don't have all that much faith in the process to be that devoid of those considerations.  I do know that they're playing good basketball, their QoWI is decent, their regional ranking is good, and they've got 20 wins.

Pat, do you think Catholic is in at this point?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 24, 2006, 12:39:22 AM
No, I don't think they are a lock. Four teams lost tonight with similar or better credentials.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: BisonKiller on February 24, 2006, 08:25:34 AM
Well....its now been proven

Steak is better than pork and bison burgers.


bad joke  I know...but I like it
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cugrad on February 24, 2006, 09:13:21 AM
Great win by the Cards! They did everything that they needed to do to win. They played tough defense, Shot the ball well,and contained the Mary Wash scorers. I'm sure that Mary Wash didn't play their best, but much of that can be attributed to Catholic's performance. The refs called very few fouls until the end when Mary Wash had to foul, though it did seem like they were picking on Dwyer. I think he had four of Catholic's first six fouls. I hope the Cardinals understand the challenge that they face on Saturday. They are playing a very talented Salisbury team who has won the last two regular season games at Catholic. Additionally, this is a group of young men who believe that they can beat anbody. The only negative about Catholic hosting Salisbury is that they really can't count on an at-large bid. They must win to get in!

Matt was right! It is possible to win at York. I was stunned when I heard that they lost at home. I still can't believe it.

Cards, good luck tomorrow in the championship! Remember, if you play hard, good things will happen!!

GO CARDS!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: John Rusnak on February 24, 2006, 09:13:54 AM
Quote from: mwcsid on February 23, 2006, 05:52:47 PM
Historically, EVERY time Rusnak picks against UMW, they win, so that's a good omen!!!
;D

Sorry Clint, I was wrong on the wrong game...

And speaking of that game, holy cow!

I'll make two statements and we can debate which one is true:

1. York doesn't match up well with Salisbury and that's how they were able to beat them twice this year.

2. York isn't as good as they are ranked and got there by virtue of an overall weak region.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on February 24, 2006, 09:28:18 AM
Hats off to Scott Guise for his comments right after the game, he was right about the officating, it was bad but games are won and lost on the court.   York was outplayed and outhussled.  It seemed to much of the student section that Salisbury wanted it more and they played like it.  Anyone who was at the game can agree with the game at 28-14 York could have put the game to rest instead they made no FG's in the lat 8 minutes, truly an usual occurence for this team over the last two years.  Kichenrat touched on the free throws earlier but that was so important.  Last time they came into York, they could not make any free throws and last night shot close to 90%.  Hats of to Salisbury, I was very impressed by there ability to never let York pull away.  York's 3 losses are by a total of 6 points all year, it tells you that a perfect game is needed to beat these guys. 

Pat-- Does York being in pool c, still have a chance for a home game or has that gone out the window.  Also are they a lock for the NCAA tourney?

Thanks guys and good luck on saturday to both catholic and salisbury.  This loss know will let me go on spring break.  Be back Tuesday or Wednesday.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 24, 2006, 10:29:13 AM
I think York might still host first-round games, yes. I don't think there are two Mid-Atlantic teams who will be seeded higher and with so few teams in the Atlantic and East, I feel confident that two MA teams will host regionals.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: John Rusnak on February 24, 2006, 10:30:55 AM
York is absolutely a lock to get into the tournament.  Everybody could be upset and they would still get in at this point.

As for hosting, this loss might have cost York a bye in the first round, which is perfect for the committee because now they can let York host a first round game but then they have an excuse to send them on the road and not to let them host anything else.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 24, 2006, 10:39:53 AM
Quote from: John Rusnak on February 24, 2006, 10:30:55 AM
York is absolutely a lock to get into the tournament.  Everybody could be upset and they would still get in at this point.

As for hosting, this loss might have cost York a bye in the first round, which is perfect for the committee because now they can let York host a first round game but then they have an excuse to send them on the road and not to let them host anything else.

Agreed. Now there's enough reason besides seating capacity to play the sectional round elsewhere.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: manofgor24 on February 24, 2006, 10:53:42 AM
Salem,

If you are implying that the Gulls shot poorly from the line the last time they came to york, you are mistaken.  They shot 24-27 from the line.  If they shot poorly, SU would have lost by 50.  Good win for the Gulls.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 24, 2006, 11:05:35 AM
Quote from: Salem, VA on February 24, 2006, 09:28:18 AM
  York's 3 losses are by a total of 6 points all year, it tells you that a perfect game is needed to beat these guys. 



Not to pick apart poor Salem here, but the surprising thing is that it really didn't take a perfect game from either Salisbury or Catholic to beat York.

Catholic didn't play especially well against York when they won.  They shot 42%, were ice cold from 3 (27%), missed 7 out of 20 free throws, and got outrebounded by 13!  Hardly a perfect game played by Catholic.

As for Salisbury last night, I obviously wasn't there, but Salisbury also shot 42% and literally hit no 3 points--0-10.  They did make their free throws, but it worries me that Salisbury was able to play like that and beat York.  If they play better against Catholic its going to be a real fight.

York just must have had a few off nights. It happens.  x33 and those  kind of fans just got a little cocky. 

When Catholic lost in the CAC tournament in 2003, they still got to host a game in the NCAA's.  They lost, so I don't know how long they would have been home, but I would think that York still has a great shot at at least hosting 1 game.  They deserve it.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 24, 2006, 11:24:00 AM
Salisbury's first half performance at the free throw line (12-for-14) kept them in the game.  I think that if they would have struggled from the line in the opening 20, it may have been a different story because they did struggle from the floor in the first half (just eight field goals).  I also thought Salisbury got a big majority of loose balls and long rebounds last night which was a major factor. That hasn't happened to the Spartans too many times this year and last night, it really cost them. Like I said before, the better team won last night.

York will work hard over the next few days and get ready for an NCAA bid (hopefully).
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cugrad on February 24, 2006, 12:09:32 PM
Last night's loss to Salisbury takes nothing away from the success that York has achieved this year. At 26-3, they are still the best team in the conference, as well as the best team in the region. Though I must say that Lincoln appears to be right there with them. I would bet that York has beaten more teams above 500% than any other of the top teams in the region. They deserve, and will receive a first round bye, then host a game on Saturday. I expect that they will do quite well in the tournament.

GO CARDS!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: njlincolnlion on February 24, 2006, 01:05:51 PM
If Salisbury beats CUA, and gets the NCAA bid, then there's a possibility of a Lincoln/Salisbury match-up!  This scenario would be wild for me since my daughter is a senior at Salisbury, and I'm sending tuition money there, while I have my alumni obligation to Lincoln.  I gotta go with my alma mater since Lincoln will forever be in my heart.  Salisbury is temporary for me, and will be my daughter's responsibility as an alumnus  ;D .



Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: x33ycp on February 24, 2006, 01:15:46 PM
x33 and those  kind of fans just got a little cocky......

I dont think I was ever cocky Matt....when your team beat CUA and Salisbury within the last month by a combined 65 points or so....I dont think it would be unusual for me to think that YCP would ease through the tourney. Im sure Im not the only one who felt that way. But congrats to Salisbury on a great win. YCP layed an egg and from what I heard from numerous people at the game, looked pretty flat for most of the game. Confident yes....cocky no.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 24, 2006, 01:34:01 PM
Quote from: x33ycp on February 23, 2006, 12:57:12 PM
cuabigdog,

You are dreaming if you think Catholic is going to come into Wolf and beat York. They showed me a couple weeks ago (when they lost by 30) that they simply dont have the firepower to beat York at Wolf Gym....wont happen...not a chance....York has too many weapons, and is playing the best basketball ive seen them play in the past 2 years!!

YCP- 88
Sal.-70

CUA-66
MWC-63

YCP-76
CUA-59

Well, I read that above as cocky.  "Won't EVER happen."  "Not a chance."   Now granted you were talking about Catholic there, but since you picked York by 18 (!!!) against Salisbury I can't imagine you felt differently.

And there was somebody else---a Catholic fan, I think--that said something like 'there's no way anyone is going to come in and beat York.' 

Its just dangerous to be THAT confident.  I've been there rooting for a really good team myself and all but one of those years, somebody beat us--even at home.  Great teams still can have bad days.   There's always a way.  That's all I'm saying.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 25, 2006, 11:23:41 AM
Almost 24 hours without a post!

Guess all the off the court drama has ended.

Good luck today to the Cardinals.  If both teams play at their best, I feel confident that Catholic will be the CAC Champions.  I'm sure the rest of the league will be rooting for us! (yeah, right...)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on February 25, 2006, 04:55:37 PM
CAC Final at DuFour Center.

Catholic Cardinals lead over Salisbury Seagulls, 31-26 at halftime.

20 more minutes before the CAC Championship would be award to either of those teams.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: jrott24 on February 25, 2006, 04:56:54 PM
GOOD LUCK Today SU..............
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 25, 2006, 05:11:09 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on February 25, 2006, 11:23:41 AM
Almost 24 hours without a post!

Guess all the off the court drama has ended.

Good luck today to the Cardinals.  If both teams play at their best, I feel confident that Catholic will be the CAC Champions.  I'm sure the rest of the league will be rooting for us! (yeah, right...)

There always seems to be a calm before the storm.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on February 25, 2006, 05:38:49 PM
Cards leading 70-58 with 1:27 remaining at the DuFour..
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on February 25, 2006, 05:48:14 PM
Final from DuFour...

CARDINALS WIN THE CAC CHAMPIONSHIP!!

Salisbury  - 70
@Catholic - 79

Congrats to Catholic for earn the automatic bid to NCAA tournament. Salisbury did play well but came short at the end.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: unreallawns on February 25, 2006, 06:42:22 PM
Congrats to Salisbury on a good season.  Should be favored to win the conference next year.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 25, 2006, 06:59:48 PM
Raise another banner at DuFour!

Catholic played a bit sloppy in the first half, but finished very strong and built a double digit lead against Salisbury.  I don't have any stats yet, Dwyer had a big game for Catholic.  Shooting was not as lights out as the previous two games---Fumai had a tough night---but Satalin played well, had some 3's, and Papageorge had a huge 3 right when it looked like Salisbury might make a run.

Overall, a good game. VERY tightly officiated.  Not sure either coach was very happy.  A Salisbury guard did pick up a tech after he got called for a charge and didn't like it. 

What a ride for the Cardinals this season.  Bottom line: 4 CAC Championships in 6 years.  Well earned.  Following up Mike Lonergan was an extremely daunting task for Steve Howes, but he's lived up to it.   41-16 as head coach and now a title and a trip to the Big Dance.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: andre james smith on February 25, 2006, 07:38:15 PM
Looks like we have 4 teams headed to the tourney this year as the Marymount women will join UMW and Catholic and York on the men's side.  It seems like a good opportunity to start gaining some respect for the CAC that will help everyone in the future. 
Interesting box score from Catholic... Salisbury shoots 50% from the field to Catholic's 31.5%, but CUA goes to the line 29 more times!  I can't imagine how much this board would be lighting up if those numbers were reversed. 
A disappointing end of the season for my eagles, but next year would seem to be their year with the top 7 scorers returning with another year under their belt.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 25, 2006, 08:16:46 PM
Well Salisbury did a LOT of fouling in the last 4-5 minutes of that game trying to get steals and then stop the clock.  Every one was a double bonus.  Must have accounted for half those free throws. Both teams got to the bonus at almost the exact same time.

I would have preferred the refs to let them play more--there were too many touch fouls called.  I don't think anybody at the game would reasonably argue it would have changed the outcome, but it would have been nice to see in a championship game.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: unreallawns on February 25, 2006, 08:38:48 PM
You can't go to Catholic and expect to get calls.  You have to go in knowing that not much is going to get called in your favor.  That's just part of the game and you have to play through it.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 25, 2006, 10:25:53 PM
One interesting note about Catholic's season.  For all the talk about the great homecourt advantage that York had this year (and it did), Catholic actually nearly matched York.  The Cardinals were 13-1 at the DuFour Center (York was 14-1).

I copy and pasted this from the FAQ part of the d3hoops.com site about the way the tournament works.  Basically, if Catholic is seeded in the bottom 10 of the tournament, they'll play Thursday and then if they win advance to face one of the 5 top seeded teams.  I would be very surprised if Catholic isn't seeded higher than that.

Otherwise, the Cardinals would join 3 other schools at a 'pod' and play Friday night.  I couldn't begin to guess where they would go--presumably somewhere in PA, or perhaps Virginia Weslyan.

In men's: Five teams get first-round byes. The teams that play off to face those top seeds will meet in one of Thursday's five first-round games (this year, that's on March 2), which would in theory be games between No. 8 and No. 9 seeds. The other 44 teams meet in 11 four-team regionals on Friday and Saturday, effectively stripping home-court advantage from 11 teams that would otherwise have earned it in previous years.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ronk on February 25, 2006, 11:55:44 PM
    I'm projecting the Mid-Atlantic subregionals:
          Bethany-York and Catholic-Centennial
          Messiah-Lincoln and Scranton-Alvernia
    on the guess that no one will get a bye in the region.

    The NCAA will probably replace Bethany with a good team from another region to strengthen the Mid-Atlantic
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 26, 2006, 02:45:46 PM
Quote from: andre james smith on February 25, 2006, 07:38:15 PM
Looks like we have 4 teams headed to the tourney this year as the Marymount women will join UMW and Catholic and York on the men's side.  It seems like a good opportunity to start gaining some respect for the CAC that will help everyone in the future. 
I am certainly a supporter of the CAC... but if MMT and SAL don't pull off the upsets and knock out the locked tournament teams of UMW and YCP (and of course, baring an upset in the men's championship game), the CAC wouldn't have gotten more than two schools in the brackets (men and women combined). I think it is too early to expect the CAC to get a lot of respect. It has never proven to be a solid conference from top to bottom. It has shown it can produce one team every once in awhile to get national recognition... but that is it. This conference needs to start producing three or four teams a year that people are talking about, before it will move into the top 1/3 of top conferences. And with Goucher and Catholic leaving after next season, I think that chore will be much more difficult.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: eaglemaniac on February 26, 2006, 04:26:09 PM
Catholic maybe.......Goucher, Not so much  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 26, 2006, 07:14:36 PM
D-Mac,
We'll never know, of course, but Catholic would have been a strong Pool C contender.  Based strictly on QoWI they would be just out, but that is not the only criteria as you know.  Factoring in other criteria, they well could have gotten in.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: rokman on February 26, 2006, 08:54:04 PM
If I'm reading the projections right, and they hold up, CUA fans will need to get plane tickets to see them again this year  >:( (unless of course, they get to Salem  :))...
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 26, 2006, 08:56:51 PM
You're not reading right. It says at the bottom:

"This South bracket would have a regional at Virginia Wesleyan with CNU facing the hosts and Catholic playing Randolph-Macon."
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 26, 2006, 08:59:26 PM
Not unless you want to fly from DC to Norfolk.

3 hours...and change, probably...

BUT...do you really think Catholic will get shipped to the South instead of the Mid-Atlantic? (Obviously Pat, you do, because you wouldn't have made that projection).  But what are the chances?

Seems like another trip to York could be in the CARDS (terrible pun, I'm sorry) too...
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: rokman on February 26, 2006, 09:12:28 PM
Thanks, Pat.  Missed the footnote.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 26, 2006, 09:48:16 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on February 26, 2006, 08:59:26 PM
Not unless you want to fly from DC to Norfolk.

3 hours...and change, probably...

BUT...do you really think Catholic will get shipped to the South instead of the Mid-Atlantic? (Obviously Pat, you do, because you wouldn't have made that projection).  But what are the chances?

Seems like another trip to York could be in the CARDS (terrible pun, I'm sorry) too...

Looking at the teams we selected, not sure what else I could have done. Besides, it makes great sense geographically. They're all within four hours of each other. Putting Ursinus in there makes it less desirable geographically.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ronk on February 26, 2006, 09:50:37 PM
 Where are the bracket projections to be found?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: coachhootner on February 26, 2006, 10:45:16 PM
Hello All,

It's been a while because I'm pretty busy out west golfing at Torrey Pines ;D but I must say, despite not knowing a thing about what's been happening this year, it appears that York got the short end of the stick?  How could they not get in?  Wow.  That is sad since there are so many more teams this year. 

And congrats to Villa Julie.  Coach Adams has done an unreal job building that program up (as well as all the programs) and if there was ever a team and a coach that deserves to go, it's Villa Julie and Coach Adams.  Congrats to Villa Julie, future member of the CAC in earning their first ever Men's Basketball NCAA berth. 

And again, what a shame that York doesn't get in and get a chance to defend there trip to the final four. 

Finally, I'm glad Lincoln got in.  What a year they had.  Good luck to Catholic and everyone enjoy the tournament!



Regards,
Coach Hootner
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 26, 2006, 10:54:06 PM
Coach Hoot,

The Spartans did get in, it just didn't load right the first time. After a heart attack, I reloaded and the green and white was there at the bottom of the Pool C.

I will be interesting to see the brackets in the morning.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: coachhootner on February 26, 2006, 10:59:07 PM
Man, that's what probably happened to me.  LOL!  Whew, I was getting ready to say!  Two CAC teams.  Great news!  Good luck to both and again, everyone enjoy the tourney.

Regards from the west coast.  Stay warm! 




CH
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 26, 2006, 11:10:30 PM
Hoot,

You down to scratch yet?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 26, 2006, 11:32:34 PM
Among teams that made the tournament, Catholic is 3-1, with victories against York, Scranton and Villa Julie.  The loss, of course, came to York.

I'm a little surprised VJC made it. 

Pat: I understand.  Makes sense, I just was wondering if it was the type of thing that might make sense, but still is rather unlikely since the NCAA doesn't tend to do thing that make much sense.

Nice to see you Hootner.  My wife and I took a trip out to San Diego over Labor Day last year and spent some time up at Torrey Pines...we don't golf so we were just sightseeing, but its beautiful there.  I hope SD life is as good as it seemed.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: coachhootner on February 26, 2006, 11:57:06 PM
I'm about a 6.  I've shot in the 70s for a couple of years now.  And I teach about 100 students a year so that is fun, too.

Matt, it is beautiful out here.  No doubt.  But I do miss d3 ball.  There isn't any for over 100 miles.  And I honestly don't have as much time now seeing as I'm teaching at three different colleges and coaching ball and tennis. 

Was Keystone not eligible this year?  And if they were, how did they not get in and Villa Julie did?

I don't know when I'll get back but enjoy the tournament and always feel free to email if you'd like.



Regards,
CH
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 27, 2006, 12:38:59 AM
Quote from: coachhootner on February 26, 2006, 11:57:06 PM
I'm about a 6.  I've shot in the 70s for a couple of years now.  And I teach about 100 students a year so that is fun, too.

Matt, it is beautiful out here.  No doubt.  But I do miss d3 ball.  There isn't any for over 100 miles.  And I honestly don't have as much time now seeing as I'm teaching at three different colleges and coaching ball and tennis. 

Was Keystone not eligible this year?  And if they were, how did they not get in and Villa Julie did?

I don't know when I'll get back but enjoy the tournament and always feel free to email if you'd like.



Regards,
CH

Hoot,

Welcome back. You've been on the golf course too long. You can't parachute back in on Selection Sunday and ask stupid questions. :)

Take a look at the Mid-Atlantic regional page and tell me what you notice about Keystone.

http://www.d3hoops.com/regions.php?region=midatlantic&team=m
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: patcummings on February 27, 2006, 12:43:34 AM
VJC had a higher regional winning percentage than Lincoln, and that is one of the primary criteria...and it weighed heavily over a weaker QOWI.  

Pretty simple to me.

Bethany .833
VJC .810
Lincoln .750
Maryville .682
-----------------------------
Chapman .714
Huntingdon .667




Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: x33ycp on February 27, 2006, 09:33:07 AM
York vs. York......record wise it looks like a favorable matchup for the Sparts....I think they again are in a nice bracket......would York host the winner of the CUA v. Widener game???
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 27, 2006, 09:34:55 AM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on February 26, 2006, 08:59:26 PM
Not unless you want to fly from DC to Norfolk.

3 hours...and change, probably...

BUT...do you really think Catholic will get shipped to the South instead of the Mid-Atlantic? (Obviously Pat, you do, because you wouldn't have made that projection).  But what are the chances?

Seems like another trip to York could be in the CARDS (terrible pun, I'm sorry) too...

So if I read the brackets right, Catholic is playing Widener at York, PA.   York is playing...York (NY).

Looks like I called that one.  Who needs all that bracketology stuff?  ;D

Pretty decent draw for Catholic.  From what I know, Widener is good, but beatable.  They don't seem to be playing their best basketball late in the season, either.
Ahem.  
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on February 27, 2006, 09:45:22 AM
Heheh, York and Catholic might play in the 2nd round... fantastic.  (York PA, for the record)  Beautiful matchup.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on February 27, 2006, 09:54:29 AM
I called play by play for a York (PA) vs York (NY) in the coaches vs cancer tournament in either '96 or '97, it drove me crazy. I kept referring to my school only as York and my color commentator (and my best friend) kept giving me crap on air about not differentiating. By the second half it was just Spartans and Cardinals or Pennsylvania or New York.

I didn't see any common opponents between the two York's and so we will just have to wait and see what the game holds. I think that regional is interesting as you a get possible York (Pa.) Catholic rematch, and down the road the chance of Villa Julie going up against CUA or YCP. I'm glad to know there will be more basketball at the Kitchen, because the game against Salisbury obviously left a bad taste in my mouth. Does anyone have any idea when the games times will be set. Scott I'm looking at you on this one. By the way did you watch that disc yet.

I hope the loss to Sally has the guys refocused and ready to go out and play as hard as they did last year, cause I would love to do some traveling through the month of March. GO YORK!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on February 27, 2006, 10:01:57 AM
(PA)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: njlincolnlion on February 27, 2006, 10:11:14 AM
coachhootner:

Thanks for you congratulations on Lincoln Lincoln finally making the NCAA tournament this year. 

Two losses to New Jersey City University doomed the Lions last year.  After waiting an entire year, I'm happy for my alma mater, and exicited about their chances.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 27, 2006, 10:35:07 AM
You know, on its bracket page, the NCAA has the wrong record listed for Catholic...they took away a win.  It should be 21-6, not 20-6. 

The last time CUA played Widener in the NCAA Tournament, they beat them and went on to win a National Championship.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: coachhootner on February 27, 2006, 10:41:10 AM
Sorry Pat!  I knew it had to be something of the sort.  Too much golf, sunshine and jc ball.  And as a few others in the 'know' have stated (and I'll trust them on this), it looks like a favorable bracket for CUA and/or York.

Are there any other predominantly African American D3 institutions in the U.S. besides Lincoln?  What a great story that would be to see them go all the way! 

Villa Julie would be another great story as a school that is primarily a commuter school (or at least has been for years) can also find a way to dance.

I'm sure there are other great stories, I just haven't been around enough in the last couple years to know them all. 

Howabout that high school kid who hit 6 3's?  Did anyone else see that?  I was laughing and crying at the same time.  Wow, what an amazing story.  That is what this great game is all about. 

Good luck to York and Catholic.  Does York still play on the kitchen?  I thought they were supposed to have a new gym?

Everyone enjoy the tournament.  March Madness has arrived.

Sorry again for being 'stupid' Pat.   ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 27, 2006, 10:49:18 AM
Yeah, they still play in that place.  Last year for it. 

Catholic's going to have a war to get to the 2nd round, so the last thing I'm doing is looking past that.  But it seems to be that a Catholic-York battle would be a good, fitting way to close down that gym, whichever way it goes. 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 27, 2006, 12:48:16 PM
Game times at Wolf this weekend....

Catholic vs. Widener - 6:00 pm
York (Pa.) vs. York (N.Y.) - 8:00 pm

Saturday's Regional Championship
Two winners @ 7:00 pm

I will post ticket information as soon as I get it.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on February 27, 2006, 02:34:49 PM
 ECAC Selections  (http://www.ecac.org/feature/feature.asp?id=2816)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Chris Panter, GMC SID on February 27, 2006, 03:08:40 PM
"You know Danny, I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber....didn't want to do it, I felt I owed it to them."

Is Judge Smails the best character in a comedy movie ever? Let that debate begin...

"Say, how'd you like to come over and mow my lawn? Hmmm? Hmmmm?"
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Chris Panter, GMC SID on February 27, 2006, 03:41:50 PM
Knightstalker...
how'd you get that pic of Judge Smails in your signature?
I have one of Al Cervik but I can't get the pic (instead of the URL address) to come up in my signature

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 27, 2006, 04:16:29 PM
Quote from: Chris Panter, GMC SID on February 27, 2006, 03:41:50 PM
Knightstalker...
how'd you get that pic of Judge Smails in your signature?
I have one of Al Cervik but I can't get the pic (instead of the URL address) to come up in my signature



got you taken care of
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 27, 2006, 04:16:48 PM
Quote from: ycp on February 27, 2006, 03:42:14 PM
What a joke, just a flippin' joke.

You guys will all understand in a few hours.

Splitting the admission? Not splitting the admission?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on February 27, 2006, 04:26:05 PM
Here's official.. All-CAC team, COY, ROY and POY..

http://athletics.gallaudet.edu/men%20basketball%20cac%20awards.pdf

Gallaudet swept the honors!! Congrats to all others on the list..

Good Luck to Catholic and York in the NCAA tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 27, 2006, 05:04:34 PM
Bisonpride (or anyone else from Gally) & D-Mac:
Any thoughts on Widener?  They played Gally and Goucher this year, and beat both relatively narrowly.  Looks like Gally in particular gave them quite a game.   I know they've got one big guy who's a monster, but I'm hoping that Shane/Pat Dwyer can hold him in check.

Speaking of Dwyer, congratulations to his first team All CAC selection.  I'm glad the coaches took into account the depth Catholic has.  He deserved that honor.  I would have picked DiStephano and Mowls myself as COY and ROY.  Haney, not so much, but I can't argue too much.  I think he ended a little weaker because of injury.  But his numbers were there, I suppose. 

Interestingly, only 3 of the 10 players selected are seniors.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: theman123 on February 27, 2006, 08:27:42 PM
wheres the kid from goucher... shooting guard that was 2nd in scorer and put up 99 3's.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on February 27, 2006, 09:07:04 PM
Tomorrow night, there would be exciting Washington Catholic Athletic Conference (WCAC) games at Gallaudet's Field House..

Girls' championship games @5:30pm - Bishop McNamara Mustangs (22-5) vs. Good Counsel Falcons (22-7)
Note: McNamara rank #8 in USA Today's east region, and #3 in Washington Post, Good Counsel ranked #2 in the Post

Boys' championship game @7:30pm - St John's College Cadets (21-8) vs. DeMatha Catholic Stags (29-1)
Note: St. Johns ranked #7 in the Post. While DeMatha is rank #2 in the Post, but the most important of all.. #5 in nation accord to recent USA Today ranking.

Come and watch those exciting end of season match up to grab the WCAC championship trophy!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 27, 2006, 09:22:35 PM
Another stellar selection of POY. I guess in our league, if you put up a ton of stats for a fourth place team, you are the player of the year. Smith last year, Haney this year. I guess statistically you can make the arguement, but the fact is Gallaudet won two more games than they lost.

I guess it goes back to our discussion from earlier this year. The players on the upper tier of teams don't put up the individual numbers but their teams win while the mid-level clubs have individuals who stand out more because of the way the team is structured. Those are those players that are rewarded with individual accolades. Lesesne over Bushey for first team is pretty funny. St. Mary's won four league games this year. Lesesne is a good player but he also took the lions share of their shots. I am pretty sure Brandon could have averaged over 20 if he took over 400 shots for the year. Just a different philosophy I guess but a two-time first teamer gets second team as a senior.

You can argue that the good players on good teams are rewarded with team success but it would also be nice for them to receive individual accolades.

Understand I am biased, obviously, so keep that in mind when everyone tells me I am crazy (or worse)

I am stepping off my soapbox now and I am done. Congrats to all the players who were honored.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: theman123 on February 27, 2006, 09:55:15 PM
i know but still if the kid had 99 3's theres no way he doesnt get any recognition.

He was only 9 in the nation in 3's and he was 23rd or something in scoring. 

Russo got no honors and thats pretty weird to me.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: muchacho on February 27, 2006, 10:42:27 PM
QuoteRusso got no honors and thats pretty weird to me.

Not weird to me at all. Goucher was absolutely awful, and when only 10 players are honored in an 8 team league, 2 players don't deserve to come from the last place team.  Regarding Haney over McGowan for POY...I think this probably occurs in a lot of conferences in all types of sports. Coaches or whoever votes for these awards are more likely to give a POY award to a Senior, while they assume a talented underclassmen will have more opportunities in the future. I don't have too much of a problem with Haney winning the award. He is a hell of a player and can anybody else think of where Gallaudet would be without him. He has had a great influence on their team since his first collegiate game.
All that being said, would you rather have the ROY, COY, and POY or the opportunity to play some more games. York might not have the POY and Catholic might have just one rep on the All CAC team, but they are in the NCAAs. I'd rather have the best team, than have the best representation in the postseason voting.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: theman123 on February 27, 2006, 10:52:41 PM
what is the record for 3's in one year
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 27, 2006, 10:53:45 PM
Muchacho,

You are right. It has been a great time watching these guys play over the last two years. We had Andy O'Brien and he was a very talented player but having the chance to see York achieve the team success has been much more enjoyable.

I guess I am being a little greedy :)

One more thing, I think Haney is a really good player, I just hold a different philosophy in regard to how the post season honors are viewed.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 27, 2006, 11:37:08 PM
Well, the big thing for me is not punishing kids who are on good teams, nor punishing talented kids on bad teams.  I think you have to grade on a curve.  To me, the results of this team and in years past seem to weigh too heavily in favor of good players on bad teams.  Its impossible translate performance to quality teams.   Some of the players on this list that I've seen this year have made me shake my head.  I know they are talented and good players, but if a kid on Catholic or York took those kinds of shots (low percentage, early in the shot clock) they wouldn't be scoring ANY points because they'd be benched. 

All that aside, the POY award isn't an MVP award, so I can live with Haney.  His percentages are not awful.  Its sort of a natural transgression and I'm not shocked he's won it though he wouldn't have been my pick.   There is one first teamer that I don't think belongs there, but what's the point of airing that out now anyway?

The bottom line is that the best teams advance.  Not always the best players.  Players that sacrifice their stats and their shots for the good of the team win championships, and ultimately, that is more gratifying in the end.  Both teams representing the CAC this year epitomize team basketball.  I don't think there is a selfish player in the whole bunch--either team.  Sometimes I wish our guys at Catholic were a little MORE selfish.  But I don't think they really care about the all CAC team--the banner going up at DuFour next year means a hell of a lot more, particularly for these seniors who had a lot to live up to. 

I would normally wish that both teams would go deep into the tournament.  Unfortunately, this year that is mutually exclusive, so instead I'll hope that both teams face each other and go from there. 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisoncrew on February 28, 2006, 03:02:56 AM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on February 27, 2006, 05:04:34 PM
Bisonpride (or anyone else from Gally) & D-Mac:
Any thoughts on Widener?  They played Gally and Goucher this year, and beat both relatively narrowly.  Looks like Gally in particular gave them quite a game.   I know they've got one big guy who's a monster, but I'm hoping that Shane/Pat Dwyer can hold him in check.

Speaking of Dwyer, congratulations to his first team All CAC selection.  I'm glad the coaches took into account the depth Catholic has.  He deserved that honor.  I would have picked DiStephano and Mowls myself as COY and ROY.  Haney, not so much, but I can't argue too much.  I think he ended a little weaker because of injury.  But his numbers were there, I suppose. 

Interestingly, only 3 of the 10 players selected are seniors.


M.L.-

Widener has a monster of a big guy, Kris Clarkson. At 6'8'', #21's been leading the team in both Rebounding and Scoring for the vast majority of the team's matches through this year. A second key factor in Widener's offensive game is Essien Ford (6'3 combo guard) and as for rebounding, Catholic must do a good job of keeping sleeper Malcolm Thomas, #32 6'4 PF, off the glass as well.

It'll be a good game between CUA and Widener. For CUA to win, they absolutely have to keep at the physical play underneath (meaning keep Clarkson and Thomas off the glass), and play solid team D (Clarkson inside, Ford on the perimeter) for the full 40 minutes. Another thing--It'll have to be a "personal challenge" kind of day for CUA's big guys to keep up with the Widener post players' athletic ability--

My prediction? CUA wins by 4, #14 has a monster game from the perimeter (5+ from the distance) and Shane/Dwyer have a career day of "D" and Rebounding.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on February 28, 2006, 07:58:45 AM
Matt Letourneau..

Here's stats of Widener-Gallaudet at the Holiday Tournament Championship game on past Nov. 26 which Widener beat Gallaudet by 5, 66-61 in a good and close game. Widener is very athletic team.

http://athletics.gallaudet.edu/stats/mbball/GALMB-05.HTM
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: BisonKiller on February 28, 2006, 08:17:53 AM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on February 27, 2006, 11:37:08 PM
Well, the big thing for me is not punishing kids who are on good teams, nor punishing talented kids on bad teams.  I think you have to grade on a curve.  To me, the results of this team and in years past seem to weigh too heavily in favor of good players on bad teams.  Its impossible translate performance to quality teams.   Some of the players on this list that I've seen this year have made me shake my head.  I know they are talented and good players, but if a kid on Catholic or York took those kinds of shots (low percentage, early in the shot clock) they wouldn't be scoring ANY points because they'd be benched. 

All that aside, the POY award isn't an MVP award, so I can live with Haney.  His percentages are not awful.  Its sort of a natural transgression and I'm not shocked he's won it though he wouldn't have been my pick.   There is one first teamer that I don't think belongs there, but what's the point of airing that out now anyway?

The bottom line is that the best teams advance.  Not always the best players.  Players that sacrifice their stats and their shots for the good of the team win championships, and ultimately, that is more gratifying in the end.  Both teams representing the CAC this year epitomize team basketball.  I don't think there is a selfish player in the whole bunch--either team.  Sometimes I wish our guys at Catholic were a little MORE selfish.  But I don't think they really care about the all CAC team--the banner going up at DuFour next year means a hell of a lot more, particularly for these seniors who had a lot to live up to. 

I would normally wish that both teams would go deep into the tournament.  Unfortunately, this year that is mutually exclusive, so instead I'll hope that both teams face each other and go from there. 

Matt you are right....best teams advance not the best players....

Mowl and Jimmy D winning their awards, a major congrats to them.

Haney winning baffles me a little bit.  I mean he kind of reminds me of Iverson.  Does everything for the team to beef up his stats, teams does decent winning .550/.600 of their games.  Therefore a strong POY/MVP candidate.  Had Jackson did more on his role, I seriously doubt Haney would've had a chance at POY.  Doesn't matter year is over now.  If coaches strongly believe Haney is THE POY then who am I to argue?  Hell I think Dirk (Dallas Mavericks) should've been MVP a few times.  I guess when you are on a balanced team it is hard to beef up your stats and stand out.


This is probably my last post for this season....just wanted to say good luck to Catholic and York and represent CAC well for us!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: muchacho on February 28, 2006, 08:36:37 AM
Take a look at the stats for Widener.

http://www.widener.edu/SiteData/docs/teamcume/5f519106618642bfd25ccad05e0894be/teamcume.htm

This Kris Clarkson kid looks like an absolute beast on paper! He is averaging 20 and 10, while also ranking second on his team in assists. And then check out his defensive numbers...42 block and 76 steals!
Those are Ben Wallace defensive numbers with Shaq's offensive game.
The good news for Catholic is that they do have a lot of big bodies to defend him with, but CUA also relies on two of those guys...Sowden and Dwyer, to get their offense started. Looks like CUA would benefit from Wheeler, Spierenburg, and one of the youngsters stepping up and playing some serious D on this guy.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: thereiis on February 28, 2006, 02:22:51 PM
Widener fan here....figure I'd come in and say some things. First, Why is anyone talking about the beginning of the season playing Galluadett? Just curious. Anyway, I know nothing about Catholic, so Ill keep it simple, Widener's too athletic, Blakey controls the court too well, Clarkson's too nice, do what you will to stop him, the other players will just pick up there games. Widener advances by 6.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: x33ycp on February 28, 2006, 03:01:40 PM
Well let me tell you a bit about Catholic.....Im sure Matt can add to this.....first they are very big and will be able to match-up with Clarkson.....Sowden is 6-8 as well and is very athletic....they also have a number of other big bodies that will be able to help control Clarkson. Dwyer and Fumai from what I hear are really stepping up late in the season. Lastly, they are very well coached, and know how to win big games....that said, I think Salisbury woke up a sleeping giant.....YCP advances to the Sweet 16 this weekend and closes down Wolf in style.....
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 28, 2006, 03:08:05 PM
Thanks for sharing...nothing.

"I know nothing about Catholic" pretty much makes your prediction irrelevant, doesn it?

Some of us prefer to be informed about who our teams are playing before shooting our mouths off, so since we have two members of this league that have seen Widener play, I was asking fans from those schools for a scouting report.  

The Gallaudet folks played Catholic twice and Widener once, so they can compare the two teams at least in terms of personnel.  On paper, they look like they match up pretty evenly.  Catholic's got a lot of size and depth.  Sounds like Widener goes with less of a rotation but has one superstar and some nice players around him.

Catholic's offense is evenly distributed.  They've got 4 guys over 6'6 that play good interior defense.  When their guards and SF are shooting well, it opens up the inside game and the team is really clicking.  They play an uptempo style and have no problem running up and down the court thanks to their ability to go 11-12 deep in a game.

I'm sure this will be a real battle.  Widener sounds good. But Catholic is, too.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: BisonKiller on February 28, 2006, 03:08:31 PM
Quote from: thereiis on February 28, 2006, 02:22:51 PM
Widener fan here....figure I'd come in and say some things. First, Why is anyone talking about the beginning of the season playing Galluadett? Just curious. Anyway, I know nothing about Catholic, so Ill keep it simple, Widener's too athletic, Blakey controls the court too well, Clarkson's too nice, do what you will to stop him, the other players will just pick up there games. Widener advances by 6.

You suck
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: muchacho on February 28, 2006, 03:26:51 PM
QuoteYou suck

You stay classy San Diego!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: thereiis on February 28, 2006, 03:30:43 PM
Bisonkiller, clever......that take you awhile to come up with??? Stop thinking too hard you might hurt yourself.

Matt, I never said Catholic wasnt good. They are obviously a good squad or they wouldnt be here. Obviously i would think the team im backing would win the game, so ignore the prediction. My point, which i guess i should have explained in more detail for those less literate and capable as Bisonkiller, is that every team thus far has tried to stop Clarkson, and sometimes it has worked doubling him, but overall it hasnt. the teams that have won have either won on a buzzer beater (messiah) or purely off of widener not coming to play (missed free throws and or layups) so, their strength isnt in solely clarkson, but their guard play as well. do u guys have the big guys to stop clarkson?? sure u do. but i dont think u have the guards to match with ours. Bisonkiller, u still following or should i translate into a more readable form? you jackass. anyway, should be a good game. Ill still stick to my prediction based, now on more info thanks to some, that wideners guard play from the 1-3 spots are a tad more athletic and thus winning the game. Good luck. See you at the game.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: BisonKiller on February 28, 2006, 03:35:38 PM
Quote from: thereiis on February 28, 2006, 03:30:43 PM
Bisonkiller, clever......that take you awhile to come up with??? Stop thinking too hard you might hurt yourself.

Matt, I never said Catholic wasnt good. They are obviously a good squad or they wouldnt be here. Obviously i would think the team im backing would win the game, so ignore the prediction. My point, which i guess i should have explained in more detail for those less literate and capable as Bisonkiller, is that every team thus far has tried to stop Clarkson, and sometimes it has worked doubling him, but overall it hasnt. the teams that have won have either won on a buzzer beater (messiah) or purely off of widener not coming to play (missed free throws and or layups) so, their strength isnt in solely clarkson, but their guard play as well. do u guys have the big guys to stop clarkson?? sure u do. but i dont think u have the guards to match with ours. Bisonkiller, u still following or should i translate into a more readable form? you jackass. anyway, should be a good game. Ill still stick to my prediction based, now on more info thanks to some, that wideners guard play from the 1-3 spots are a tad more athletic and thus winning the game. Good luck. See you at the game.

Dont need to go into details because its not necessary....Once again, I'll just go straight to the point....YOU SUCK

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: thereiis on February 28, 2006, 03:52:16 PM
clever
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CACFan01 on February 28, 2006, 04:04:58 PM
Quote from: thereiis on February 28, 2006, 03:30:43 PM
Bisonkiller, clever......that take you awhile to come up with??? Stop thinking too hard you might hurt yourself.

Matt, I never said Catholic wasnt good. They are obviously a good squad or they wouldnt be here. Obviously i would think the team im backing would win the game, so ignore the prediction. My point, which i guess i should have explained in more detail for those less literate and capable as Bisonkiller, is that every team thus far has tried to stop Clarkson, and sometimes it has worked doubling him, but overall it hasnt. the teams that have won have either won on a buzzer beater (messiah) or purely off of widener not coming to play (missed free throws and or layups) so, their strength isnt in solely clarkson, but their guard play as well. do u guys have the big guys to stop clarkson?? sure u do. but i dont think u have the guards to match with ours. Bisonkiller, u still following or should i translate into a more readable form? you jackass. anyway, should be a good game. Ill still stick to my prediction based, now on more info thanks to some, that wideners guard play from the 1-3 spots are a tad more athletic and thus winning the game. Good luck. See you at the game.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CACFan01 on February 28, 2006, 04:20:35 PM
Quote from: thereiis on February 28, 2006, 03:30:43 PM
Bisonkiller, clever......that take you awhile to come up with??? Stop thinking too hard you might hurt yourself.
He's right, you suck

Matt, I never said Catholic wasnt good. They are obviously a good squad
catholic will win
or they wouldnt be here. Obviously i would think the team im backing would win the game, so ignore the prediction. My point, which i guess i should have explained in more detail for those less literate and capable as Bisonkiller, is that every team thus far has tried to stop Clarkson, and sometimes it has worked doubling him, but overall it hasnt. the teams that have won have either won on a buzzer beater (messiah) or purely off of widener not coming to play (missed free throws and or layups) so, their strength isnt in solely clarkson,
Clarkson had led in points and rebounds almost every game!
but their guard play as well.
Their second and third best players averaged 13 pts a game and their 4th scorer averaged 6 pts a game
do u guys have the big guys to stop clarkson?? sure u do.
Sowden and the Company will stop him, period
but i dont think u have the guards to match with ours.
Haha, since you dont know Catholic, then shut up. Catholic guards are quick and are capable of matching any guards. I believe they will stop the Widener guards
Bisonkiller, u still following or should i translate nto a more readable form? you jackass. anyway, should be a good game. Ill still stick to my prediction based, now on more info thanks to some, that wideners guard play from the 1-3 spots are a tad more athletic and thus winning the game.
Catholic will win by 5
Good luck. See you at the game.
Quote from: CACFan01 on February 28, 2006, 04:04:58 PM
Quote from: thereiis on February 28, 2006, 03:30:43 PM
Bisonkiller, clever......that take you awhile to come up with??? Stop thinking too hard you might hurt yourself.

Matt, I never said Catholic wasnt good. They are obviously a good squad or they wouldnt be here. Obviously i would think the team im backing would win the game, so ignore the prediction. My point, which i guess i should have explained in more detail for those less literate and capable as Bisonkiller, is that every team thus far has tried to stop Clarkson, and sometimes it has worked doubling him, but overall it hasnt. the teams that have won have either won on a buzzer beater (messiah) or purely off of widener not coming to play (missed free throws and or layups) so, their strength isnt in solely clarkson, but their guard play as well. do u guys have the big guys to stop clarkson?? sure u do. but i dont think u have the guards to match with ours. Bisonkiller, u still following or should i translate into a more readable form? you jackass. anyway, should be a good game. Ill still stick to my prediction based, now on more info thanks to some, that wideners guard play from the 1-3 spots are a tad more athletic and thus winning the game. Good luck. See you at the game.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 28, 2006, 04:24:37 PM
Alrighty then.

At least we had some life on the board today, I suppose. 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: thereiis on February 28, 2006, 05:06:45 PM
CAC, although the method you posted was kinda cool, what you said, again, pointless banter supporting your team. I know nothing about your team and to be honest, you nor anyone hear knows anything about mine. Ok great, you looked up what they average and what not online, good work there NBA scouter; and you asked another school, who has yet to reply (atleast from what i can see) about what happened when they played them. Well Clarkson played well and Gallued. lost. Oh sh*t, now you guys really know us. Wait to go fellas. Did u guys send this all to your coach for the game yet? he might need it. the point im making is atleast i came out and said i know nothing about your team. some of you clowns are typing over there with stats, heights, weights and whatever else you can come up with and pretending you know Widener. Support your team, sure why not, but dont act like you actually know Widener like your saying you do. Come friday we'll see who wins and go from there. In the mean time, keep up your great scouting reports, your YOU SUCK comments and "way to much time on your hands" posting methods. They all are realllyyyyy great guys. Good work again. Yeaaaaaa Catholic.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: BisonKiller on February 28, 2006, 05:11:09 PM
Quote from: thereiis on February 28, 2006, 05:06:45 PM
CAC, although the method you posted was kinda cool, what you said, again, pointless banter supporting your team. I know nothing about your team and to be honest, you nor anyone hear knows anything about mine. Ok great, you looked up what they average and what not online, good work there NBA scouter; and you asked another school, who has yet to reply (atleast from what i can see) about what happened when they played them. Well Clarkson played well and Gallued. lost. Oh sh*t, now you guys really know us. Wait to go fellas. Did u guys send this all to your coach for the game yet? he might need it. the point im making is atleast i came out and said i know nothing about your team. some of you clowns are typing over there with stats, heights, weights and whatever else you can come up with and pretending you know Widener. Support your team, sure why not, but dont act like you actually know Widener like your saying you do. Come friday we'll see who wins and go from there. In the mean time, keep up your great scouting reports, your YOU SUCK comments and "way to much time on your hands" posting methods. They all are realllyyyyy great guys. Good work again. Yeaaaaaa Catholic.

Classic rant with alot of misspelled words.  Perhaps Grammy didn't teach him how to spell correctly.

By the way:

You STILL suck
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 28, 2006, 05:51:14 PM
Hey Widener fan... as someone who has seen a bit of basketball in this region... I don't like your chances. If there is ONE thing CUA actually has going for them... it's Wolff Gym. They are at least familiar with the facility and how to play on the kitchen floor.

As for Widener, I didn't get a chance to see them this year since Goucher traveled to their gym. But if you look at the fact Widener did not have an easy game against the Gophers says one thing. They are at best... equal to Catholic.

Because of CUA's experience both in the tourney and at Wolff, the fact Widener will be in an unfamiliar gym, and since CUA would love to get their hands on the Spartans again... I am taking CUA in this game... but 7.

Oh, and by repeatedly talking down to everyone - no matter what they have to say - shows you really didn't care to get the low-down on the team you are facing (or might face), but rather you wanted to cause trouble. Wrong chat room to start it in (from the past experiences here).

Quote from: Matt Letourneau on February 28, 2006, 03:08:05 PM
Catholic's offense is evenly distributed.  They've got 4 guys over 6'6 that play good interior defense.  When their guards and SF are shooting well, it opens up the inside game and the team is really clicking.  They play an uptempo style and have no problem running up and down the court thanks to their ability to go 11-12 deep in a game.

I'm sure this will be a real battle. Widener sounds good. But Catholic is, too.
Matt... not to nit-pick... but CUA's offense is evenly distributed... on paper. I have yet to see them put together an evenly distributed offensive game... consistently from game to game. And while they can play decent inside defense, they can't stop outside shooters. And if your guards are cold... you don't stand a chance (i.e. last time you faced YCP).
However... I still think the Cards can beat Widener... because of the team's knack for rising to the occasion.

Quote from: x33ycp on February 28, 2006, 03:01:40 PM
Lastly, they are very well coached, and know how to win big games....that said, I think Salisbury woke up a sleeping giant.....YCP advances to the Sweet 16 this weekend and closes down Wolf in style.....
Couldn't agree with you more. YCP is going to have a lot going for them... I certainly don't expect them to trip on their way to at least the Sweet 16.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisoncrew on February 28, 2006, 05:52:52 PM
BisonKiller, I agree with you- thereiis' comments today were pretty much basically a cheapshot at not only CUA but the CAC as well. But aside from that controversy, I gotta admit, I'm taken aback by your lackadaisical comeback. Although quite pugilistic and a little bit belligerent, your comebacks usually have more spiz-azz to them.

Btw, didn't you say earlier today you weren't going to post any more? And just as I was getting ready to rejoice at the fact that you would finally stop trying to rain shame down on the Bison with your pessimistic anecdotes...

BUT, as my man Gandhi once said-- "One cannot shake hands with a clenched fist." So, lets all try n get along with one another here on the greatest board in DIII Ball.  

Go YORK and CUA, represent the CAC to the max!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 28, 2006, 06:09:52 PM
D-Mac,
I appreciate your comments.  You do have a point.  The difference over the last few weeks has been that Catholic has been much more balanced, though.  Not so much between players (so that everyone is scoring 12 a game or whatever), but at least between the inside and outside games.   They've really stepped up ball movement (I keep pointing out their assist to basket ratio, its been like .80) and that has led to easier shots inside and open shots outside.

Now, I'm not saying its going to be easy to make that happen against Widener.  As I've said, I haven't seen them, so I'm not making those kinds of predictions.  Doesn't mean that you and others can't make educated guesses as to what might happen. 

I agree that playing at York is a tremendous advantage for Catholic.  They aren't going to be bothered by the floor.  There should be a decent showing of Catholic fans since its a relatively short and familiar drive.  And I can personally attest to the fact that the team is highly motivated to get another shot at York.   That was a debacle, and rarely in life do you get a second chance. 

There are not many big guys that can play defense with a guy like Clarkson.  I think Catholic is one of those teams though because they have the personnel.   Let's face it, D3 is not exactly overflowing with 6'7 guys that can run the floor like Sowden and Dwyer.  And not too many teams can go to the bench and not give up that size (Spirenberg, Baker).  Of course, guys like Singer of York have still had good games against CUA, so nothing is a given, but my argument is that Catholic is probably better suited to face somebody like that than a lot of teams Widener could have drawn.

All that aside, I think both CUA and York appreciate the support from the rest of the league.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: thereiis on February 28, 2006, 06:13:38 PM
D-Mac, i couldnt agree more. they are definitely even to say the least. in regards to the gym they are playing in, widener played on that floor 2 years ago i believe for a tournament against york and i believe one other time as well for the same tournament a different year. not to say they are accustomed to it, but none the less, they have played on it. so if thats the only strength CU has is the floor they are playing on, ill be happy with that.

Furthermore, I havent put down any school or conference. I came in here to start conversation about the game, not put down the CAC. If by defending my argument i am putting down a conference or school, I dont know what to say. I guess I apologize, but nothing about the CAC was brought up. And besides looking up stats online at CUA's site, how would you like someone who isnt a player or coach to get the low down? I apologize if I dont watch film and talk to other schools before posting.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 28, 2006, 06:25:11 PM
Quote from: thereiis on February 28, 2006, 06:13:38 PM
Furthermore, I havent put down any school or conference. I came in here to start conversation about the game, not put down the CAC. If by defending my argument i am putting down a conference or school, I dont know what to say. I guess I apologize, but nothing about the CAC was brought up. And besides looking up stats online at CUA's site, how would you like someone who isnt a player or coach to get the low down? I apologize if I dont watch film and talk to other schools before posting.
By simply replying immediately to any comment towards Gallaudet... you started a touchy subject. Not the way to start.

I think the teams are even in a sense. CUA plays a tougher schedule I think than Widener does and I think that gives CUA the advantage (I will firmly say the CAC is probably a much better confernence than either MAC division).

Can Widener win? Sure. But CUA and YCP both lots of height and YCP certainly has the best shooters in the league.

If CUA struggles early, don't look for them to come on hot later. I have noticed than when the Cards start to struggle... it gets in their heads.

Sowden and Dwyer are certainly the biggest key for a CUA win, but guard play is especially important. In the few games I have seen CUA play (including against YCP), I have seen severe inconsistency between the starting guards and the bench guards. Nothing against Wasilenko or Kelley, but I think they let their supposed disagreement with Coach Howe... translate into how they played. I have personally never let a coach affect the way I played in a negative fashion. That is exactly what I saw in Wasilenko and Kelley... and as a result, when they are in the game... it is a COMPLETELY different game for the other players on the court. If Wasilenko and Kelley can (or have) put the differences aside... then CUA is very dangerous.

Also, I am not that impressed with Speirenberg off the bench. He is not the offensive weapon Sowden can be and he tends to make huge mistakes on defense. In the last game against YCP, he seemed overwhelmed. I think if CUA has to go to their bench for inside play early or because of foul-trouble... that too could be a death blow.

I am hoping CUA proves me wrong on this... but they haven't yet this year.

I will be very interested to see... and I will see since I will be along side Pat Coleman calling all the games in York this weekend.

Looking forward to what I think will be the final three basketball games to be played on the kitchen tile.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 28, 2006, 06:45:20 PM
In fairness, D-Mac, you saw a lot of guys at their absolute worst in that York game, and that was 50% of your impression of Catholic.   In fact, that was a career worst game for almost everybody and the entire program.

Waslinenko has been fantastic lately...look at his numbers from the CAC tournament--10 assists against Mary Wash.  Kelly gets put in to defend against whichever guard is hottest and has been very effective in that role.   There was some speculation on this board that there was some kind of problem amongst the guards or with the coach, but that's all it was--speculation because a freshman got to start and people assumed there would be a problem.  Did anybody who saw the Cardinals last week see an ounce of that?

Considering the playing time that Stolz has gotten (he starts but then ends up with no more than 12-15 minutes), if Was wasn't playing at least competently, Catholic wouldn't be winning.  That simple.  You can't be sharing the ball and setting up teammates to the tune of a .8/basket if people aren't getting along. 

Of course Sprienberg isn't an offensive weapon.  Never has been. He usually plays pretty good defense, gets some blocks and hustles.  That's his role.  Off the bench, Mish has been the key offensive player during the second half of the season.  If you look at his minutes and his points, he's scoring 8-10 points in 10-14 minutes every time out.  He can actually shoot jump shots and make free throws. 

So I guess that's my update as to where things are since you last saw Catholic.  Taking a long view, I now don't consider that York game so bad because it turned things around.  They got spanked, refocused, starting executed their coaches game plans better, and, not coincidentally, starting winning.  It took a while to get there, but they got there. 

Whether the journey continues or not, I don't know, but its interesting to watch the ups and downs of a team that ends up 21-6 and conference champions.  There's a lesson in taking the long view.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: John Rusnak on March 01, 2006, 08:51:21 AM
I don't have much to contribute to the board right now, but I will say that after filling out my brackets, I've got York back in the Final Four this year, so don't choke and let me down!

The only game I see them losing is in the second round against Catholic.  If they get through that I think they will have a decent shot. 

The only other question is where they would have to play to get to Salem.  Everybody good is hosting the first/second round, so who has home court for the S16 and E8 could be critical...
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CACFan01 on March 01, 2006, 09:37:10 AM
Ok, Widener Fan (reiis), as a NBA scouter....

Starting line-up for the Widener-
PG #1   Blakey- leads the team in assists, avg 5 pts.  (Don't go tight on him, he'll blow by ya and let him beat you from his outside shooting)
SG #14 Ford- avg 13.9 pts, led the team in 3pt shooting, tough rebounder with 4.7 RPG (second best player, Clarkson needs his scoring, Stop Ford+Score70s=WIN)
SF #32 Thomas- avg 13 pts, second leading 3 pt shooting, 4.4 RPG, he's 6'4. (He's an upsie-downsie player, when hot, hot, when cold, cold.)
PF #35 Michael- avg 6 pts, avg 4.6 RPG (roollllleee player, shouldn't have a problem with him)
C  #21 Clarkson- best player, avg 20 pts, 10 RPG with a nice additional of 72 assists (Lord, somebody call Dennis Rodman, please...)

They seemed to rely on only 6-8 players with 4 players averaging over 33+ minutes.  They showed some tiredness toward to the end of the season with losing 2 of the last 4 games.  In the last 8 games, they averaged 67 pts a game. However, their defense is amazing, only to allow 61 pts a game (last 8 games).  Honestly, this sounded like a Gallaudet team with Haney leading the team but they have inexperienced guards. In a similar way, Clarkson would lead his team and his guards are more experienced. Also, the team's defense is very good.

As for Catholic, I think they have the advantage. First is the Wolff Gym and second, they have bodies to pound Clarkson down. Lastly, they will probably go tight on Ford.

Possible match-up of the game-
Widener   Catholic
#1      #22
#14      #14
#32      #33
#35      #34
#21      #42

Good enough to be a NBA scouter, eh?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: rollingthunda on March 01, 2006, 09:54:58 AM
I'm a poster from the Commonwealth and saw Widener's win against Etown in the playoffs.  I also only have knowledge of Catholic from reading what everyone else has posted on here.  That being said, Widener has 4 very tough players that play pretty much the entire game.  From what you guys have posted about Catholic liking to run an uptempo game, I would say Catholic takes this game if they can dictate an uptempo game.  From the game I saw, Clarkson was tugging his shorts early in the second half and appeared fatigued (although that didn't stop him from throwin down a few monster dunks in the second half).  I have said from the beginning of the year, that playing uptempo and being very physical with Clarkson are the keys to beating Widener.  It certainly sounds like CUA has the tools to do this.  Don't count Widener out though.  If they can slow it down they are pretty good in the half court.  Whoever dictates the pace of the game will come away with the W in this game.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on March 01, 2006, 11:25:51 AM
Thanks for the insight, Interesting.

Catholic will go 11-12 deep in this game, and they've got the big bodies to have in there at all times.  Fatigue is never an issue late in the game for them.

However, when the game gets slowed down and the Cardinals get stuck in half court, they sometimes can struggle a little, so we'll see.  That's when they need their shooters.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: John Rusnak on March 01, 2006, 01:40:05 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on March 01, 2006, 11:25:51 AM
Thanks for the insight, Interesting.

Catholic will go 11-12 deep in this game, and they've got the big bodies to have in there at all times.  Fatigue is never an issue late in the game for them.

However, when the game gets slowed down and the Cardinals get stuck in half court, they sometimes can struggle a little, so we'll see.  That's when they need their shooters.

Catholic might PLAY 11-12 guys, but they will not really "go 11-12 deep"
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cugrad on March 01, 2006, 02:52:03 PM
Cards, good luck tomorrow evening in your game against Widener! Remember, if you play hard, good things will happen!!

GO CARDS!!!

Does anybody remember the NCAA tournament game when Catholic played at Widener during their National Championship season? That was an interesting game.   
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 01, 2006, 03:09:50 PM
Pat Maloney's dad might remember the game but he doesn't remember the ending. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: thereiis on March 01, 2006, 04:20:35 PM
Dmac

"By simply replying immediately to any comment towards Gallaudet... you started a touchy subject. Not the way to start."

Because I responded to comments regarding why a game from the beginning of the season would be in question at the end of a season I therefore started a touchy subject???? Granted, I know why that was brought up after the fact, but if you think I was questioning that school based on the "style" of school I should say, your sadly mistaken. Or maybe I misunderstood what you meant. Not sure.

Anyway, CACFAN....impressive stats with your post, but again, without watching film and breaking that down everything you mentioned can be received online. Your right with everything you said and i agree, but film is where you would get your advantages, players trends and tendencies and what not. Thats all I was implying.

In regards to Widener being tired; definitely correct. I actually remember saying that to someone during there last game. Does anyone think Catholic is? I obviously havent seen them play so im just curious.

And again, Widener has played on that court in previous years. The court sucks, but I cant see a court supplying that much of an advantage for a first round game or any game for that matter.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on March 01, 2006, 04:27:01 PM
Quote from: thereiis on March 01, 2006, 04:20:35 PM

And again, Widener has played on that court in previous years. The court sucks, but I cant see a court supplying that much of an advantage for a first round game or any game for that matter.


York's gym is a very difficult venue. CUA's greater familiarity with it should prove to be some advantage against Widener. But not as much an advantage as York will have should it play CUA or Widener.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 01, 2006, 04:37:31 PM
Quote from: bbald eagle on March 01, 2006, 04:27:01 PM
Quote from: thereiis on March 01, 2006, 04:20:35 PM

And again, Widener has played on that court in previous years. The court sucks, but I cant see a court supplying that much of an advantage for a first round game or any game for that matter.


York's gym is a very difficult venue. CUA's greater familiarity with it should prove to be some advantage against Widener. But not as much an advantage as York will have should it play CUA or Widener.
Exactly my point. Yes... Widener has played in it... but CUA has played in it at least once every year and sometimes twice. This will be their second visit in less than a month. There are actually players on Wideners team that haven't seen this court.

Let us also remember, that this is probably the last three games we ever see at Wolff Gym. I am pretty confident in saying YCP will NOT be hosting the Sectionals if they get that far. So, while we all think the gym needed an upgrade ten years ago... all of us with the opportunity to enjoy the games... should relish in the fact that next year... YCP is going to be "hooked up!"... and we will no longer get the chance to say... "playing on the kitchen floor/tile."

As for going 11-12 deep... I agree with John Rusnak. They may sub-down that low... but they are not as talented ("deep") that low on the bench. Subbing Speirenberg in for Sowden is a considerable step-down. If CUA is forced to play that deep on their bench for considerable minutes, they may be in trouble.

Quote from: cugrad on March 01, 2006, 02:52:03 PM
Cards, good luck tomorrow evening in your game against Widener! Remember, if you play hard, good things will happen!!

GO CARDS!!!
Last I checked... the team was playing on Friday night!  Not tomorrow!  Matt... what are they serving, breathing, eating, drinking over that at CUA these days???

Oh and Matt... rumor has it Gene is refing the first round game...



...just kidding!!! I have no idea who the assigned crew is.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 01, 2006, 05:03:39 PM
No CAC refs will be working that regional, not with two CAC teams in it.

I know they don't usually cut the nets down after a regional but I think it might be appropriate for the winner to cut up the floor and take it home with them. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cugrad on March 01, 2006, 05:14:20 PM
Let me try this again. Cards, good luck on Friday evening in your game against Widener! Remember, if you play hard, good things will happen!!

GO CARDS!!!

About the floor, I doubt that it will play a big part in determining the winner between these two talented teams.

About Catholic's depth, I agree that using 11 or 12 bodies isn't necessarily an advantage.  Catholic is pretty solid through nine or ten players. The guys after that are not bad, but there is a bit of a drop from the top five.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on March 01, 2006, 05:55:56 PM
Well sure there's a drop, if CUA gets in foul trouble (which is not inconceiveable trying to guard a big monster) than its a huge advantage of what teams normally put out there.  Spirenberg isn't exactly Ben Wallace (ha!) but he's a better defensive option against a big guy that most teams would be able to bring off the bench just because of his sheer size, for instance.

I've sort of emphasized depth because it sounds like it might be an area of advantage for Catholic--if Widener isn't going to go that deep, Catholic can try to keep it up tempo and run the floor.  They have the personnel to keep everybody fresh.

I don't even want to THINK about seeing Gene again this year.  Incidentally, can anyone confirm he was the ref involved in the Gally incident?  Now, I'm in no way, shape or form defending going after a ref in any situation (and I already publicly said that Gally should step up security), but leave it to Gene to make that kind of call to decide the game.  It's exactly his MO. 

No idea what they're eating over at CUA these days, but it sure looks a lot better than what was there when I went there---no nice new student center in my time.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cuabigdog on March 01, 2006, 06:17:24 PM
Matt..same food , different building ...


CUA best of luck fri against Widener..i only hope that the officials are better this year than in 2001  when Pat Malonely had his 4th foul called against him and he wasn't within 15 feet of the action....

Low Turnovers and Made Freethrows  WIN Games !!!

GO CARDS !!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 01, 2006, 06:23:12 PM
Matt - I don't think it was Gene.

I have seen him many times this year and we always talk before and/or after the game (even during... funny story I will share sometime between the two of us while I was announcing). And he never brought it up. He has brought up other things that have nothing to do with the game at hand... so I would say no.

However, he also might not have wanted to talk about it.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on March 01, 2006, 07:02:46 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 01, 2006, 05:03:39 PM

I know they don't usually cut the nets down after a regional but I think it might be appropriate for the winner to cut up the floor and take it home with them. :)

As long as they don't take it all. I want to give my $100 to the College for a patch of kitchen floor to hang on my wall!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: rokman on March 01, 2006, 09:16:58 PM
Quote from: cugrad on March 01, 2006, 02:52:03 PM
Cards, good luck tomorrow evening in your game against Widener! Remember, if you play hard, good things will happen!!

GO CARDS!!!

Does anybody remember the NCAA tournament game when Catholic played at Widener during their National Championship season? That was an interesting game.   

CUGRAD,

Definitely remember that game.  Wonder if that ref will be carrying cooking utensils with him this weekend?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: manofgor24 on March 02, 2006, 12:13:30 AM
I talked with Gene before the CUA/Sal game to see how he was doing.   He went to the defense of another official after the Gally game.  Said he had to take a student down (the police officer in him) and then got jumped.  He seemed in good spirits over the incident. 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on March 02, 2006, 01:01:49 AM
Gene's a police officer too?

That means you had 2 police officers officiating the CAC championship game.  No wonder why there were so many fouls called.

I'm sure Gene's a nice guy, but good Lord almighty he's hard to figure sometimes.  I'd love to chat with these guys sometime--calmly, about some of the calls they make just to understand.  If I ever saw Gene on the street I'd ask him why he let Tyson Lesense get away with murder down at St. Mary's the whole game---everything from walking away swearing to tossing the ball away, etc, but then ejects Aaron Kelly for nothing. 

Oh well.  Lets hope there are good crews up at York.  Have to be an improvement.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 02, 2006, 05:41:29 AM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on March 02, 2006, 01:01:49 AM
Gene's a police officer too?

That means you had 2 police officers officiating the CAC championship game. No wonder why there were so many fouls called.

I'm sure Gene's a nice guy, but good Lord almighty he's hard to figure sometimes. I'd love to chat with these guys sometime--calmly, about some of the calls they make just to understand. If I ever saw Gene on the street I'd ask him why he let Tyson Lesense get away with murder down at St. Mary's the whole game---everything from walking away swearing to tossing the ball away, etc, but then ejects Aaron Kelly for nothing.

Oh well. Lets hope there are good crews up at York. Have to be an improvement.
Matt... your a good guy... but you need to lossen up when it comes to foul calls. No ref wants to call a game tightly; be forced to whistle everything; become a bigger part of the game, then just three guys keeping a game under-control. I understand your passion about the sport and I certainly was as passionate as a student. However, I have come to learn that refs are not going to call absolutely every call and just because there is contact, doesn't mean you should expect a foul. Put it this way, in the NFL... they could call holding on EVERY play... but they only do it when it's necessary (overly bad). I am not saying all refs need to be understood and have an excuse. But, I saw Gene more this year than in years past (this year equaled about the last three years combined) and I thought Gene actually did a good job this year.

You can expect Gene to quietly ref a game and call things when he feels they have gone too far. I am surprised by the comment about Lesesne, because I think Gene was the ref in the game at Goucher... and Lesesne was warned early in the game to keep his mouth shut by another ref. Never heard a word from Lesesne the rest of the game... and he wasn't much of a leader to begin with.

We are about to get the NCAA tourney started and plenty of people are going to pationate about these games. Understand the refs are not going to get every call you think should be made (or shouldn't) and save your energy from yelling at them... to cheering on your team. Sometimes the yelling at the refs... simply outbalances the cheers..
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cugrad on March 02, 2006, 07:34:06 AM
Watching Catholic play in several NCAA tournament games over the past ten years, I can say that the officiating has been very good. The one exception is Catholic's game at Widener. I have never seen anything like what I saw that night.  Win or lose, the Cards have always gotten a fair shake!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on March 02, 2006, 09:42:24 AM
D-Mac,
Did you come down to the CAC final? It was actually the Salisbury people complaining, not me or the Catholic fans.   The problem with that game, and I agreed with them, was that it was just too tightly officiated.  There was a whistle on virtually every play.

A few nights before, in the Catholic-Mary Washington game, a total of 22 fouls were called which resulted in a total of 17 free throws, combined.

In the CUA-Salisbury game, a total of 50 fouls were called, resulting in 69 free throws.  69, D-Mac!

I'm sorry dude, there is no way there needed to be 69 free throws in that game, a championship game.  It was physical, certainly, and having the game officiated that tightly probably benefited Catholic, but still...nobody wants to see that.   Sure, there was a bit more driving going on than in the Mary Wash game (though not as much as you might think).  Defend if you want, I suppose, but...

I didn't have a problem with Gene this particular year until he ejected Kelly.  But we had him a few times after that and he was pretty bad and couldn't stop blowing the whistle.  I know I'm not going to get every call.  You should sit with me during a game, you'd probably be surprised at how little I actually bother to yell anymore.  I pick my spots, but sometimes there are egregious cases where the ref needs to hear from the gym. 

Btw, grad is right. I wasn't at the Widener game last time (I vaguely remember the stories), but over the years I've always been impressed with the officiating in the NCAA Tournament.  Then again, when I used to go back home over Christmas break and go to a high school game, I was impressed with those officials in comparison too.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on March 02, 2006, 09:48:52 AM
Alright, can somebody refresh me? I was at the Brockport game in the blizzard the next day but not the Widener game.  What exactly happened?

first half as DeLuca hit 3-of-4 from the foul line following a series of four technical fouls, three being issued against Catholic and one against Widener.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 02, 2006, 09:52:32 AM
What I remember is the home book writing down a foul on Maloney which had actually been called on someone else.

Then Pat Maloney's dad coming down out of the stands to argue with the official, and being escorted from the gym.

I am sure there was more someone else can tell. I could go back and listen to my tapes if I can find them.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cugrad on March 02, 2006, 10:20:40 AM
With 12 minutes left in the first half, Catholic had been whistled for 8 fouls and 3 techs to Widener's 1 foul and 1 tech. I believe Catholic's tech was called on Andy Rice. He went flying into the Widener bench and was beaten up a little by the guys on the bench. Rice responded and was assessed the tech. Concerning Maloney's foul, Will Morley took the ball from the  top of the key and drove the lane. He clearly charged into the Widener defender.  Maloney was in the right corner and was assessed the foul.  The announcer announced the foul against Morley. She was correct! The ref told the book that it was on Maloney. Maloney, Catholic's leading scorer, had 4 fouls in the first half. The NCAA rep was in front of the Catholic fans and heard a lot of unpleasant comments about the refs. He went downstairs where the refs dress during halftime. The second half was officiated much more evenly. Really, it was just one ref who went after Catholic. The other two really didn't do much of anything.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: John Rusnak on March 02, 2006, 10:32:37 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 01, 2006, 05:03:39 PM
No CAC refs will be working that regional, not with two CAC teams in it.

I know they don't usually cut the nets down after a regional but I think it might be appropriate for the winner to cut up the floor and take it home with them. :)


I'm with D-mac in that I will pay money for a piece of that floor, autographed by the Great Gamber...on a plaque would be more preferred.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: x33ycp on March 02, 2006, 12:45:22 PM
actually they will be selling parts of the floor....for i believe 25 bucks.....
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mapper on March 02, 2006, 04:42:19 PM
i have not been on d3hoops in a few months, but i will say from when i played in college and first started reading d3hoops in 1997, all the way up to the present there has always been one thing that was posted year after year.....................Catholic fans bi$t@ng about the refs.  you guys are now complaining about a game that has not even been played yet.  i cant help but to laugh.  hahaha
Good luck to York on making another final four run and good luck to VJC
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on March 02, 2006, 04:56:44 PM
Yeah, yeah, ha ha.

Reading comprehension is a good thing.  Two Catholic fans, myself and CUGrad, have commented that in NCAA games, the officiating has been excellent.

And somehow, you come away with "you guys are now complaining about a game that has not even been played yet."

???
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mapper on March 02, 2006, 05:25:32 PM
CUA big dog is complaining about 01 and says how it hopes it does not happen again.

here it is ..........my GUARENTEE............
CUA fans will complain about the refs after this weekend b/c they will no longer be in the tournament, they might even complain after a win, but i dont think they will get one.


PS. im still laughing
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mapper on March 02, 2006, 05:27:24 PM
sorry GUARANTEE
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on March 02, 2006, 05:34:32 PM
If the refs are inconsistent (i.e., they fluctuate in their calls), it's just like the ups-and-downs of gasoline prices and the stock market.  We have to live with it, and there's fully nothing we can do about it.

That is, sooner or later, we'll all be fluct'd.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: andre james smith on March 02, 2006, 05:35:43 PM
Matt,
   How many college basketball games have you refereed in your time? just curious
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on March 02, 2006, 05:53:38 PM
Probably about as many as you have.

But that's a rather specious argument, isn't it?  Most of us can't shoot the ball, either, but that doesn't stop us from characterizing some players as good and some players as bad.  I can't throw a football 50 yards, but I can tell you Tom Brady is good and Ryan Leaf wasn't.  None of us have ever faced the sort of decisions a political leader does, yet we express our opinion on their job performance without knowing the half of what they actually do--and we're encouraged to do so!

If you're ever so slightly trying to imply that you have to have done something (presumably successfully) in order to comment on it, I would profoundly disagree.




Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mapper on March 02, 2006, 05:54:36 PM
Warren  I agree with you, I just hate hearing how people (CUA fans) think that everyone is out for them, mistakes happen, some  bad calls are made.  CUA has had pretty good teams the last 10 years, a national championship, elite eight, and other good tournament runs, it blows my mind that people think they always get the bad end of the calls.  Complaining about a 2001 game is crazy, I'm sure they got a couple of  calls to go their way, they won a national championship that year.



ps. Matt im still laughing hahahahahahaha
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on March 02, 2006, 06:07:00 PM
Well I'm glad you've gotten some sunshine today, mapper.

But before you get so worked up, you really should go back and look at the thread.  The only reason anyone is talking about that game in 2001 is because I wanted to know what happened.  I wasn't at that game, and I remember hearing stories about how crazy it was, so I asked somebody who was there to tell the story.

I was interested because there were 4 technical fouls against Catholic and a parent was thrown out.  You don't see that every day.  But CUGrad made a point after telling the story of saying that the officiating in that game was the exception from his NCAA experience, and that the crews are usually quite good.

So I think you've got the wrong impression here.   And if you think that CUA fans are the only people on this board these days complaining about officials, you're crazy. If you had been here a week earlier you have seen multiple posts blaming the officials for Gallaudet losing at the buzzer, for instance.

I don't think CUA always gets the bad end of calls and I've never given you a reason to think I do.  I think the overall officiating in the league is very poor and I'm hardly alone.  Most games this season it was EVENLY poor.  Nobody benefited from it.  But I don't happen to think that 69 free throws in a championship game, for instance is the best way to officiate a basketball game.  Perhaps you disagree (maybe you were a hell of a free throw shooter).  Since Catholic won the game and probably benefited from the way it was called, I don't see how I can be accused of thinking MY team got screwed for pointing that out.   I'm just being fair and consistant.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cuabigdog on March 02, 2006, 06:48:28 PM
just remember that for all those who can't make the trip to "THE KITCHEN" or couldn't get a ticket you can catch all the action right here on D3 HOOPS !!!!

GO CARDS !!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 02, 2006, 06:56:32 PM
Matt... I wasn't refering to your comments about the Championship game... and no I wasn't there... I was covering the OTHER championship game.

I was refering to the simple fact that you seem to have a heart attack at games at almost every call made. And when you come on here in the last few years... 75% of your posts mention a refs call.

So, my comment was about your overall view of refs and their calls. Ease up and breathe. You get fired up way too easily at their calls, their lack of calls, and then when people complain they are tired of hearing you complain.

Again... my thought was I think your expectations are TOO high and instead of watching and enjoying the games... you get too concerned about the refs.

Remember... I have seen you at games (more than you think you have seen me at), so I do know what I am talking about.

I will see you tomorrow night... and CUA fans... look forward to a possible rematch with YCP.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: andre james smith on March 02, 2006, 07:15:36 PM
Matt,
   I am in no way trying to say that I have reffed at that level, nor that I would be any good at it.  I would like to make the point that refereeing on the court in COMPLETELY different from watching it from the stands.  My first two years at UMW I would watch the games wondering if the refs were even serious with some of the calls that they would make, at times it would seem as if they would consciously make the wrong call.  I then had the experience of reffing extensively at the intramural level which is obviously not even close to the game speed of skill seen in the CAC.  I quickly learned that I would be able to ref these games to near perfection from my perch in the bleachers, but being on the court is completely different.  What we see from the stands is not close to what they see on the court.  Another thing that you must consider as that these guys referee DIVISION III basketball after they work their regular jobs.  You cannot expect these guys to perform the same way you see on TV in the NBA or even division I.  They are basically at the bottom of the barrel as far as basketball referees go and you should no more expect them to perfectly officiate a UMW/CUA game then you should expect a first year law student to get a conviction in a murder case.
I think we would all appreciate it if you would just accept that this is how things will be until the CAC starts paying these guys 40k a year to do this and take the poor officiating as a given in each contest.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on March 02, 2006, 07:36:32 PM
First, I'm fine with having this sort of civilized discussion, so I don't mind explaining myself a little bit.

Are you spying on me again DMac?  LOL.   What I'm saying is that I've gotten better.  I don't argue as much as I used to, and I don't complain as much as I used to on my posts.  With all due respect, I don't think you've seen me more than a couple times this year---I wasn't even up at Goucher.  If you asked my wife she'd tell you I've mellowed.  Maybe its that she's picked up some of my slack, maybe its just that I'm resigned to bad officiating.  I think if you've really been paying attention to what I've said after games this year, you would notice that I haven't mentioned the officials in most of them.  I'm made an effort to only mention officiating when it seriously affected the outcome of the game.  I also think you guys tend to give others a pass for complaining about calls and not me.  I can take it, fine, but its unfair.

I'm not too concerned with the refs when I watch a game--I'm 100% concerned with winning.  And when the officials start UNFAIRLY getting in the way of winning, I do get irritated.  Everybody does.   But I'm not somebody who argues every call that goes against the team I'm rooting for.  I've learned the game well enough to know when a foul call is legit. 

Andre, I understand what you're saying.  I know that being out there is much more difficult, of course.  But these guys are professionals and they do get paid.  Its not their career, no, but its not the career for officials in other leagues and high schools either.  I don't think officiating is bad in general, I think its bad in this league compared to other leagues and high schools.   I talk to people at games all the time who have kids that play high school sports and they all say that they'd take the high school refs who are just as part time over the CAC refs any day.   There are coaches in this league who have coached at other leagues and they'll tell you the consistency of officiating in the CAC is worse.

Nobody is asking for perfection, just some logic and consistency.  Of course they're going to miss calls.  That isn't the issue.  The issue is how often, effort, and consistency. Fortunately, we're out of league officials, and its not an issue anymore.

 

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: rokman on March 02, 2006, 08:21:42 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on March 02, 2006, 09:48:52 AM
Alright, can somebody refresh me? I was at the Brockport game in the blizzard the next day but not the Widener game.  What exactly happened?

first half as DeLuca hit 3-of-4 from the foul line following a series of four technical fouls, three being issued against Catholic and one against Widener.

...actually I had forgotten about the Rice technical.  What I do remember (hopefully close to correctly, age is creeping up), is the way Maloney managed to have 4 fouls on him with 12 minutes left in the 1st half.  Maloney picked up 1 foul early.  Then, as CUGRAD stated, Morley charged, but the ref/scorer booked it (apparently) as Maloney.  The announcer called it on Morley.  No one said a word, until a minute or so later, when Maloney picked up what seemed to be his second foul.  When the P.A announcer said it was his third, CUA's bench tried to correct them.  However, at that point CUA's bench found out that the prior foul had been booked as Maloney's .  That's when the verbal barrage started, with Maloney picking up a T (and consequently his 4th personal), along with CUA's bench.  That resulted in CUA being down 14 with 12 to go before half (and the CUA contingent having 1 member removed :)).  The amazing thing is, Maloney stayed in the game, and helped trigger the comeback (most memorably with a great pass for a Hartmann layup at the first half buzzer that cut the lead to 7.)

Sorry if this sounds like another CUA fan griping.  Just wanted to share memories, since they were asked for earlier.  If its any consolation, I agree with CUGRAD that with the exception of that game, the NCAA tournament officiating that I've seen has been outstanding...
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: John Rusnak on March 03, 2006, 10:51:10 AM
I think it's easily understandable how a referee could mistake a small little white guy wearing number 21 with a huge black guy wearing number 52.  It's a completely understandable thing to do.  We should cut these guys some slack.  I mean, if there was more of a difference between the two guys then perhaps I could see where they made a mistake.  But these guys are so similar, these kinds of mistakes happen...
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on March 03, 2006, 11:25:02 AM
I'm hoping to see two great games tonight, and god willing I will be watching the Spartans again on Saturday night in the last game ever played on the cork.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cuaplayer on March 03, 2006, 11:29:04 AM
Quote from: John Rusnak on March 03, 2006, 10:51:10 AM
I think it's easily understandable how a referee could mistake a small little white guy wearing number 21 with a huge black guy wearing number 52.  It's a completely understandable thing to do.  We should cut these guys some slack.  I mean, if there was more of a difference between the two guys then perhaps I could see where they made a mistake.  But these guys are so similar, these kinds of mistakes happen...

Maloney not so small- pushing 225 at least at the time
Morley not so black

what team were you watching buck?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on March 03, 2006, 11:33:10 AM
Ha. Yeah.

Morley isn't black.  He was at the game where they honored the 5 year anniversary of the National Championship, and he still looks like he could kick everybody's butt.

Maloney wasn't exactly petite, but smaller than now! 

Still, point taken Rusnak.  They really don't look alike.  Ironically, Morely actually switched to Maloney's number after the Pat graduated.  So the foul on white #21 was just a year late.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: John Rusnak on March 03, 2006, 11:50:56 AM
Quote from: cuaplayer on March 03, 2006, 11:29:04 AM
Quote from: John Rusnak on March 03, 2006, 10:51:10 AM
I think it's easily understandable how a referee could mistake a small little white guy wearing number 21 with a huge black guy wearing number 52.  It's a completely understandable thing to do.  We should cut these guys some slack.  I mean, if there was more of a difference between the two guys then perhaps I could see where they made a mistake.  But these guys are so similar, these kinds of mistakes happen...

Maloney not so small- pushing 225 at least at the time
Morley not so black

what team were you watching buck?


Actually I think he was pushing 275 at the time, but on a relative basis he was smaller.

I was also going to say light dark, but I didn't think it quite made the point.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: colemanhater on March 03, 2006, 04:28:58 PM
i hate pat coleman
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on March 03, 2006, 04:32:18 PM
Quote from: colemanhater on March 03, 2006, 04:28:58 PM
i hate pat coleman

Oh-oh ... sounds like a Terms of Service violation.  :-[
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: colemanhater on March 03, 2006, 04:38:14 PM
pat coleman doest knwo a thing about basketball..hey thompson, easy guy
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on March 03, 2006, 04:46:21 PM
Quote from: colemanhater on March 03, 2006, 04:38:14 PM
pat coleman doest knwo a thing about basketball..hey thompson, easy guy

You're even, you don't know a thing about typing.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: colemanhater on March 03, 2006, 04:58:49 PM
great name knightstalker, but your barking up the wrong tree...this is between me and coleman
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: colemanhater on March 03, 2006, 05:02:38 PM
cmon, show your face coleman, im waiting
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: colemanhater on March 03, 2006, 05:15:22 PM
steve sardino is the best D3 hoops player of all time
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on March 03, 2006, 05:37:44 PM
colemanhater:

If it's a private matter between you and Pat, why don't you keep it private and not use up space here in a public forum? If you have your nose out of joint with Pat, we don't need to hear about it in this room.

In sum, keep your tantrums out of the public domain.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cuabigdog on March 03, 2006, 06:14:37 PM
11:00 min left in half   20-17 Widener
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cuabigdog on March 03, 2006, 06:25:37 PM
28- 21 Widener  4:00 min left in half
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cuabigdog on March 03, 2006, 06:28:05 PM
Pat and Dave are doing a stellar job so far !!!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cuabigdog on March 03, 2006, 06:31:23 PM
at the half  round 1 action from York (PA)

Catholic ---- 26

Widener---  30
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cuabigdog on March 03, 2006, 07:45:43 PM
catholic u falls in first round to widener 61-59..catholic finishes the season 21-7 ..congrats on a fantastic season
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on March 03, 2006, 07:53:12 PM
Box score from the CUA/Widener game

http://www.ycp.edu/sports/mens_basketball/2005/NCAACUWU.HTM
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Akela15 on March 03, 2006, 09:05:11 PM
Any word on the York score?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on March 03, 2006, 09:10:44 PM
with the second half starting York was winning 42-21.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on March 03, 2006, 09:11:00 PM
York PA that is.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: thereiis on March 03, 2006, 10:26:27 PM
Welp........I think Ill dedicate this one to Bisonkiller



YOU SUCKKKK


maybe next year champ


Widener wins.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on March 03, 2006, 10:28:17 PM
Final Box from the YCP/York (NY) game...

York 87-York 67

http://www.ycp.edu/sports/mens_basketball/2005/YCPMBB28.HTM

York vs. Widener - Saturday at 7:00 pm on the Tile
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on March 03, 2006, 10:48:44 PM
After a slow first 10 minutes the Spartans pulled away from the Cardinals. It looked almost as if the first ten trips down the floor for YCP were a hold over from the Salisbury game, but once Nate Fry hit a big three from the wing the fire was lit and the green and white started to roll. As is the case for most teams with out a starter taller than 6-4 YCNY had no answer for Brian Singer who was a monster in the paint. Chad McGowan had another all around solid game and the Spartan defense was everywhere, batting down shots and passes and putting a hand in each shooters face. It is nice to see that York doesn't have to rely on one player each game, and they always play as a team. Over the last two games Bushy has had a few rough shooting nights and tonight the post play made it a nonfactor. Against Widener that will be a bit of a different story however. One area that was much improved since the SSU game was free throws where YCP was 19-21.

I got a chance to see the other game as well and it was one of the most enjoyable games I have seen at any level in a while. It was a real back and forth, with Clarkson and Sowden really going at one another. Clarkson is a real special player, and I think the game wouldn't have been as close at the half or at the end if he didn't sit so long in the first half with a couple of fouls. Still at the end CUA had a shot to tie, although I thought Satalin may have rushed his 15 footer a bit. He was doubled and didn't have the best look. Congratulations to Catholic on a nice season, and another CAC title. I look forward to another game at the kitchen tomorrow, and I know the boys will be fired up. All York fans that can come, need to, because Widener brought a loud contingent of their own and we will need to drown them out. GO SPARTS!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on March 03, 2006, 11:26:37 PM
Well, a successful season for Catholic, but a tough way to end it.  The Cardinals battled in this game, but they struggled.  Congratulations to Widener and York for winning tonight. 

I said earlier that Catholic would need to get outside shooting to be successful in the NCAA tournament.  Well,  they didn't get it.  Obviously there are a million factors and it was still a VERY winnable game, but 6-21 pretty much tells the story.   Catholic had 2 standout players tonight--Sowden, who had 19 against a very good interior defensive unit, and Waslienko, who had 7 points but 9 assists.  I really need to single him out for how well he's played over the last month or so.  I'm extremely confident with him as the senior point guard next year.

Other than that, the key guys struggled.  Dwyer wasn't able to get it going, Fumai hit a couple of shots but never found his rhythm, and Satalin had a rough night. I credit the Widener defense for a lot of that.  Shot selection at crunch time was a huge problem though.  At times CUA was really rushing it on offense...quick shots early in the shot clock.   They were down early in this game, battled back, and then did all they could to hang with Widener but never were really able to open up any kind of lead. 

Widener had great performances from Clarkson and Thomas, but the guy who actually made the big shots, in my view, was Blakey.  Twice CUA had took the lead late, and twice he came down nailed a three to get it right back.  He only had 6 points, but they were the biggest 6 points of the game.

So all in all, a disappointing game.  I give Widener credit for winning it, but I don't come away thinking that CUA was any less of a team.  They just didn't make a shot or two more tonight.  It was a good game.

Be interesting now to see how Widener does against York.  I can't see the Spartans losing, especially with these circumstances.

As for Catholic, I'm optimistic about the future.  I'm sure we're going to go through the annual "Catholic will be down next year" discussion and somebody will pick them mid-pack, but I don't think that's the case.   We're losing 2 good players, sure, but there wasn't much dropoff and there is a ton of talent on the bench that the league never really saw.  Without a single recruit, CUA can field 2 units of quality players next year: Waslienko/Stoltz G, Olivero/Yarborough G, Fumai/Papageorge SF, Wheeler/Mish F, Baker/Freiberger F/C.   That's a good team right there.  I'm sure there will be some solid recruits on the way.  York is going to be losing a lot, obviously, so its going to be wide-open.  Mary Wash and Salisbury should be good too. 

But we can continue that when the season is over.  For now, York is still playing, and I wish them luck.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on March 04, 2006, 12:49:42 AM
Dang right... Go Sparts...

and go Eagles. UMW women beat TCNJ by 38 tonight.

Also, Knightstalker:
Nice coincidental pic of Lacey Underall in the Ted Knight photo.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: dayv4life on March 04, 2006, 01:22:35 AM
home court is huge, but i think widener is going to be a tough matchup for york. they remind me alot of salisbury in how they have functionaly role players and two dominant players. not only that but a great physical defense that gets after you every possession. they scare me a lot.

as for catholic very gutty effort the whole game, they just could not buy a 3, most of them being wide open at times. i was really impressed with their heart and team effort down the stretch. would of liked to see Howes call at TO with :15 left in the game though, the cards had no idea what they wanted to do with the ball in that last instant.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: spartanfan on March 04, 2006, 06:57:20 PM
Getting ready to tip-off.  I wish I was still up north to watch, but thanks to D3hoops, at least I get to listen.  Let's go boys!!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: spartanfan on March 04, 2006, 07:36:31 PM
38-26 Widener leads at half

YCP seems out of sink, might have a little to do with last night's easy win.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on March 04, 2006, 07:45:03 PM
Halftime from YCP...

Widener 38-York 26
This is York's biggest halftime deficit of the year and the biggest since last year's loss to UW Stevens Point.
If Widener continues to play this way, this will be the last game at Wolf Gym for sure.

Malcolm Thomas has 15 points to lead Widener while Clarkson has 8 points.

Bushey and Fass have eight each for YCP
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on March 04, 2006, 08:40:12 PM
Widener beats York 71-69 and advances.

Sounds like York went down the same way Catholic did---forced up a bad shot at the end.  D-Mac is describing it as the player looking for a foul that wasn't going to be called, like Satalin last night.

So, a tough tournament for the CAC.  Congrats to York for what they've accomplished---this group of players really has put that school on the map, no question.  The senior class in particular deserves credit.  They always carried themselves with class on and off the court.  So did their coach.

York (and Catholic) can hold their head up high.  There are still good days for both programs to come in the years ahead.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cuabigdog on March 04, 2006, 09:21:24 PM
would be nice if York was able to join Catholic and Goucher in the new conf.....would love to see the rivalry continue...
two excelent  teams having outstanding season with both being eliminated by 2 .. well like Matt said neither team has anything to feel bad about and both should hold their heads high...
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on March 05, 2006, 01:03:05 AM
Well, I would hope to be posting with a happier demeanor but a disappointing result from the final game at Wolf Gym on Saturday night.

First, congrats to Widener. They really stepped up their play from Friday night and were simply outstanding in the first half tonight. They executed and defended the Spartans better than any team has done all year. Malcolm Thomas and Kris Clarkson were great. Thomas hit two huge threes in a span of 43 seconds that really slowed the Spartans as they were making a run late in the second half. Clarkson, a 54.9% free throw shooter this year, hit four freebies in the last two minutes and converted 5-of-6 in the second half. Both ended with 23 points and double digit rebounds.

Second, I am so proud of my Spartans. They were down 12 at the half and trailed by 16 with just over 12 minutes left in the game. They never quit and had a chance to tie, or win, the game in their final possession. The fight and determination is a hallmark of this team and this program, quite a credit to the Spartan coaching staff of Jeff and Dean Gamber.

The Spartans shot the ball poorly in the first half and Widener's defense had a great deal to do with that. York continued to plug away and never gave up and I think the fans were treated to a great collegiate basketball game.

Congratulations to seniors Brandon Bushey, Kenny Fass, Brian Singer, and Paddy Lee. It has been a priviledge to watch you guys play. The senior class led the Spartans to a 53-8 mark over the last two years and the Spartans won 77 games during the last four years. It has been a great ride and each of you have left your mark on the program.

Finally, a bittersweet farewell to Wolf Gym. The joint was jumpin' tonight and the fans for both sides were great. I don't know what big crowds will be like in the new Grumbacher Center but the environment in the gym tonight was wonderful. As nice as the new place will be (and let me tell you, it will be very nice), there is something about an old gym, bad bleachers, and fans right on top of the action. Of course, no one will miss the old tile floor. I will say, the old dame looked about as good as she could have this weekend.

Again, good luck to Widener. If they play the way they played tonight, they have a chance to go far. And to the Spartans, thanks for everything. You make an SID's job an easy one!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: muchacho on March 05, 2006, 01:08:12 AM
Quotewould be nice if York was able to join Catholic and Goucher in the new conf.....would love to see the rivalry continue...

It would be nice to see the rivalry continue with York, as well as others in the CAC. I'm disappointed that Catholic is leaving the CAC, because there were a lot of good rivals, both geographically and from building up a competitive edge between the schools. Besides Goucher, I don't have any knowledge about any of the schools in the new conference, and they aren't near where I live in MD.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on March 05, 2006, 02:57:28 AM
Yesterday I said the Widener- CUA game was one of the best I had seen in years, and tonight's game was 3 points shy of being the best hands down. Still, even with the York loss it was an amazing effort from a bunch of guys who never stop fighting. Hurt as I was to watch my alma mater lose, I was exceedingly proud to see the way they kept tenacious on defense and worked their tails off on offense. I was also really proud of the students and other fans who kept positive when the Widener lead was 15 and really made it tough on their players as the Sparts stormed back to within two. Widener missed four straight free throws in the last :25 and York had a chance to win or tie, and really that is all you can ask for.

As much as I am looking forward to another basketball season already, it will be hard to say good bye to this group. As has been noted the foursome of Bushey, Fass, Singer and Lee have meant a ton to the team's success, but moreover they have been superb ambassadors for our school, and our community. Their records and success on the court will always be remembered but the precedents they set should establish a template for future York student athletes, no mater their sport. Anyone who lives in York has heard the commercials about Brandon's dedication to his studies and it should be noted that he isn't alone on the team. I had visions of Brandon rising up from the top of the key and hitting a three with :08 on the clock, but it wasn't a clear shot and he passed the ball in the intelligent, unselfish manner that was the hallmark of this team.

I am also sad for Kenny that he will finish his career nine points shy of 1000, but proud to know that he probably doesn't care about that milestone, because it isn't a team goal. The four of these guys will be missed, and as Scott pointed out the kitchen will be missed as well. Much like Maryland fans or Celtic nuts felt when they traded in their quirky old digs for new state of the art homes, I am conflicted. There have been a lot of great memories in Wolf, and she held her own amount of advantage for the home team. The new floor will be a bit nicer to all who play on it, and I'm sure the Spartan symbol painted on it will be a bit more modern that the one emblazoned on the tile. But, the new arena will also allow a lot more of York's faithful to crowd in and pull for a new crop of heros, and while the rest of the league may think this will be a monumental drop off for York, I am excited to see the first game with Joe, Brad, Chad, Quinn and Nate and the rest of the fellows, as they try to continue set the bar higher at York.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: thereiis on March 05, 2006, 09:23:22 AM
Not trying to rub anything in here, but again, Bisonkiller and anyone else who doubted Widener, you there???? You seem real quiet over there boss?  No YOU SUCK posts or anything, whats a matter? ohhhhhh thats rightttt.......your team isnt playing anymore.


Go Pioneers


Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on March 05, 2006, 10:23:02 AM
Quote from: cuabigdog on March 04, 2006, 09:21:24 PM
would be nice if York was able to join Catholic and Goucher in the new conf.....would love to see the rivalry continue...

Want the rivalry to continue? Don't leave, then.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on March 05, 2006, 11:22:00 AM
thereiis...
Maybe you weren't aware, but Bisonkiller wasn't a Catholic or York fan.  He was associated with the Gallaudet Bison.  I think he felt like you were slighting the 2 CAC teams.  But his team's season ended in the CAC tournament, so perhaps he didn't feel like sticking around.

The Catholic and York fans on the board have all taken time to congratulate Widener, so I don't think you need to feel slighted.  And it wasn't like either game was an ass-kicking.

As for CUA leaving and not continuing certain rivalries, remember there is still an opportunity to play teams in the non-conference schedule.  Particularly appealing beause the CAC teams are all in region, of course.   Now there are certain teams I never want to see again (and not because they beat us because they almost never do), but York isn't one of them.

When the CAC was started, most of these teams weren't rivals, either.  I'm sure as we get into a new league, new rivarlies will establish themselves.  The totality of the situation dictated that something had to be done.  Whether or not the fans know the new schools in the conference can't be the paramount concern!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: thereiis on March 05, 2006, 01:45:49 PM
Matt, hence why i stated for anyone who doubted widener. i and all widener fans appreciate the thanks thus far from everyone and both games were very good games. like i said, im not posting to rub anything in, both teams were very good teams.  i just felt being bisonkillers comments earlier he needed some reassuring. and i didnt know he was not a cua or york fan for the record. thanks for the info.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: BisonKiller on March 05, 2006, 05:00:49 PM
Quote from: thereiis on March 05, 2006, 01:45:49 PM
Matt, hence why i stated for anyone who doubted widener. i and all widener fans appreciate the thanks thus far from everyone and both games were very good games. like i said, im not posting to rub anything in, both teams were very good teams.  i just felt being bisonkillers comments earlier he needed some reassuring. and i didnt know he was not a cua or york fan for the record. thanks for the info.

LOL....

First thing first....I NEVER SAID Widener sucked....I said YOU SUCK

You came in here dissing CAC with your first post and acting like a total retard.

Yes, Widener is fantastic and gave us CAC teams a rough time and also going 4-0 vs CAC teams this year.  I dont think any non conference team have ever done that.  Whether or not you like it, I'm kinda hoping Widener wins or make it to the final 4.  We, CAC, can say that we played and well competed with one of the best teams in the COUNTRY.

Again...YOU SUCK

yes I promise THIS IS MY LAST POST.....have a nice summer everyone
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on March 05, 2006, 06:02:02 PM
Congratulations to former Catholic coach Mike Lonergan for upsetting Boston University and Binghamton (at Binghamton) to advance to the America East Conference Final.   His Vermont team will play Albany ( a school that interviewed and declined to hire him a few years ago, then lost to his Catholic team) in the America East Conference Finals on Saturday, March 11 at 12 noon on ESPN2.

Great opportunity to see Mike coach on national television.  It was only a matter of time.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: muchacho on March 05, 2006, 11:51:42 PM
Its good to see that Coach Lonergan has the Catamounts playing well at the right time of the year. It would be really impressive if he gets them into the tournament, because Vermont's 2 most experienced players are Juniors. The team has no seniors, and relies heavily on freshman. I would think Lonergan has done well in his first year as a head guy at D1.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: John Rusnak on March 06, 2006, 09:20:50 AM
Quote from: muchacho on March 05, 2006, 11:51:42 PM
Its good to see that Coach Lonergan has the Catamounts playing well at the right time of the year. It would be really impressive if he gets them into the tournament, because Vermont's 2 most experienced players are Juniors. The team has no seniors, and relies heavily on freshman. I would think Lonergan has done well in his first year as a head guy at D1.

Uhhh, ya think?!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Jeff Gamber on March 06, 2006, 04:29:49 PM
Pat....thanks for helping Division III basketball......also great job singing National Anthem    ....you'll be the answer to the trivia question...Who is the last person to sing the National Anthem in Wolf Gym??????????

Thanks to all the supporters of York college Basketball - students, faculty, staff, and certainly the York Community....great atmoshere this weekend even with our students on break
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 06, 2006, 04:37:29 PM
No problem, I still enjoy doing the site, grumpy posters and late nights notwithstanding.

My motivation was merely not having to stand through Whitney Houston again, not becoming a trivia answer, but that will work too. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on March 06, 2006, 04:45:20 PM
We need tape of that, and we need it now!   :D  Seriously that needs to be archived for everyone to listen to.

Maybe Dave Mac can give us all a replay on Hoopsville this week.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on March 06, 2006, 04:53:05 PM
What, Webmeister Pat sang the National Anthem?

[And I betcha, yessir, I betcha, he sang it better than Miss Gladys Gooding ever did on those Friday nights so long ago. ;)]
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on March 06, 2006, 05:21:38 PM
Pat---
Have you ever sung the National Anthem before a Catholic game?

If it hadn't taken me more than 3 hours to get to York from DC Friday night, I wouldn't have missed it!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 06, 2006, 06:33:50 PM
I have, but it's been a while. I think the last time I did the anthem at DuFour was for the exhibition games against the school from Canada -- I did both anthems.

Which was cool -- I have always wanted to do O Canada.

NCAA Tournament games are not permitted to be archived online, otherwise I'd direct people to Broadcastmonsters.com and their link on the front page for Past Shows, then to pick out the proper date and start about 24:30 into it. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on March 07, 2006, 09:20:31 AM
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In Their Element. As if full-court pressure, towering centers and pesky defenders weren't enough, imagine playing basketball without the ability to hear. Gallaudet University's Division III basketball team deals with that extra challenge every day. Founded in the late 1800s, Gallaudet is the world's only liberal arts college for the deaf and hearing-impaired. Yet the school's athletes are less concerned with the disadvantages of being deaf than with the strength of their schedule or an opponent's three-point percentage. Competing in the Capital Atlantic Conference, the Bison have tallied a winning record, and this year's team is not the first to experience success. With a few Division I caliber players, it will won't be the last, either. REAL SPORTS correspondent James Brown sits down with the squad; interviews include Gallaudet head coach and alumnus James DeStefano; assistant coach Stephen Farias; head coach of rival Marymount College Scott McClary; Bison players Robert Haney and Luther Weedon; and Weedon's mom, Antoinette, the team's number-one supporter.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on March 07, 2006, 09:30:20 AM
I'll second Coach's thanks for Pat's singing. I'll also thank Coach Gamber for all he has done for the program and the school over the years, both in his time as AD and coach of the Golf and Basketball teams. I also got an A from him in my Basketball Gym class, which was great. I'm looking forward to the event on April 29th to open the new Gym, and I can't wait to get my piece of the old floor. Myself and 11 other alumni have a fantasy football league where we call our end of year trophy the Gamber Cup, now instead of passing out a pipe as the trophy I think we are going to use a piece of Kitchen Tile. (I know, fantasy football awards, and posting on a DIII board, I am the coolest guy anyone knows.) 

Pat, can't we up Coach Gamber to a level higher then Junior Varsity, I know he only has three posts, but he is a busy guy? I was hoping the next round in this bracket wouldn't be at Va Wesleyan because I would have liked to go and see some more games, but that is a bit too far from York. Guess I'll just have to sit in front of my computer and listen. 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: John Rusnak on March 07, 2006, 10:12:43 AM
How can us non-York people get a piece of that floor??
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on March 07, 2006, 10:18:23 AM
Quote from: John Rusnak on March 07, 2006, 10:12:43 AM
How can us non-York people get a piece of that floor??

At Home Depot or Lowes?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on March 07, 2006, 10:57:28 AM
Basketball gym class????

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: muchacho on March 07, 2006, 12:15:17 PM
QuoteBasketball gym class?

I never saw any gym class offered at Catholic...I guess thats why we can't be in the same conference anymore.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 07, 2006, 04:23:30 PM
Can the basketball players take basketball for credit, or is it like a math major being exempt from an easy Calculus course?
I guess it can't hurt the average, if it counts.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: John Rusnak on March 07, 2006, 04:38:14 PM
In high school I created a class called "basketball."  My coach was the teacher, except he had another class at the same time, so he never really paid attention to what I was doing.  I found that going home during that hour and thinking about the game was the best use of time and the most rewarding.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on March 07, 2006, 04:51:19 PM
In high school we invented a class called "Woods" and that is where we went every day during study hall.  Woods usually involved That 70's Show types of activities.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: rokman on March 07, 2006, 05:18:34 PM
CUA Fans,

Sorry I didn't see this in time for us to vote, but there's an online special on the Wash. Post website that is ranking the greatest local college teams of all time, (in NCAA bracket fashion) and they included the 2001 Cards in a "play-in" game.  Pretty nice of them to consider CUA, considering 1) the competition, and 2) the lack of coverage CUA usually gets from the Post.  There's a little piece on the team included under "more" (link below, and flash player required, I think):

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/custom/2006/02/24/CU2006022401242.html
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on March 07, 2006, 06:11:35 PM
Thanks!

Too bad we missed voting...I bet we could have pulled it out for CUA.  Granted, we would have gotten clocked by 84 Gtown, but hey...

Nice proofreading on the blurb about the team...lots of effort went into that!  But it is cool that CUA is even included in that list.

I bet '02 UMD runs away with it.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisoncrew on March 07, 2006, 11:00:10 PM
To all you CUA fans who went to the Gally @ CUA game and denied the notion that CUA students had put up obnoxious signs...

FYI, on HBOSports tonight, James Brown stated that he himself had seen the "win or lose, we can still hear" sign.

Just wanted to toss that in.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on March 08, 2006, 01:33:43 AM
In some states it is mandatory for schools to require 4 credit hours of physical education. Pennsylvania is one of them. I took Basketball, Softball, Bowling and recreational shooting. I don't know if the players can take the class, but I would imagine they could, after all they are students just like the rest of us were. I got an A, and also found out that there are few people in this world who know more about the ins and outs of the NCAA rule book than Coach Gamber. The man is a walking encyclopedia of B-ball knowledge.

I watched the Real Sports segment on Gallaudet and I thought they did a nice job. I know they have to pick who they are going to focus on, but I was surprised that they didn't even mention Jackson. JB gave the Spartans and CUA a little love with his "powerhouse" and "nationally ranked" drops in his back and forth with Bryant. I was nervous for the CAC and D3 in general that they might mention the problem after the Gally SU game but they didn't
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: John Rusnak on March 08, 2006, 08:54:09 AM
I thought the Gallaudet piece was nice for the school, but I thought it could've gone deeper with some things.  Nonetheless, it was some nice exposure for the school and York and Catholic got their two seconds of air time.

And yes, they did mention those signs, so CUA has a bit of a black eye this morning.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on March 08, 2006, 09:25:00 AM
I hope whatever idiot brought them gets punished. Too bad they weren't removed sooner.  As I said, I never saw them to begin with and if I had I would have brought it to an Administrator's attention right away.  As it was they did get taken away.

Its a good lesson about the right and wrong way to behave at games.  Cheer for your team, heckle the refs and the opposing players in a good natured way.  Don't make a sign making fun of somebody's disability, don't make a sign linking a major religion to licking balls, and its probably not a good idea to dress up like nuns or chase after referees either.

Anyway, because some idiot who doesn't represent the way 99% of the University feels or would ever say, now something like that gets attention. 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 08, 2006, 09:27:59 AM
As far as I know, none of the schools in the Centennial Conference(mostly Pennsylvania schools) give credit for physical education classes.  I checked the college catalogs for Franklin and Marshall and Swarthmore.  Neither school offers any physical education classes for credit, but you must complete 4 PE units for graduation.  No credit is given.  At both schools you need 32 credits to graduate-each class you pass counts as one credit.

quote from Swarthmore's catalog
As a requirement for graduation, all students not excused for medical reasons are required to complete 4 units of physical education by the end of their sophomore year.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on March 08, 2006, 09:42:57 AM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on March 08, 2006, 09:25:00 AM
I hope whatever idiot brought them gets punished. Too bad they weren't removed sooner.  As I said, I never saw them to begin with and if I had I would have brought it to an Administrator's attention right away.  As it was they did get taken away.

Something to keep in mind: never underestimate the proclivity of an undergraduate fan to act with an utter lack of taste -- and to think it's humorous.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on March 08, 2006, 09:54:18 AM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on March 08, 2006, 09:42:57 AM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on March 08, 2006, 09:25:00 AM
I hope whatever idiot brought them gets punished. Too bad they weren't removed sooner.  As I said, I never saw them to begin with and if I had I would have brought it to an Administrator's attention right away.  As it was they did get taken away.

Something to keep in mind: never underestimate the proclivity of an undergraduate fan to act with an utter lack of taste -- and to think it's humorous.

Also keep in mind that almost all of us were young and stupid at some point in time.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on March 08, 2006, 09:58:18 AM
Quote from: knightstalker on March 08, 2006, 09:54:18 AM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on March 08, 2006, 09:42:57 AM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on March 08, 2006, 09:25:00 AM
I hope whatever idiot brought them gets punished. Too bad they weren't removed sooner.  As I said, I never saw them to begin with and if I had I would have brought it to an Administrator's attention right away.  As it was they did get taken away.

Something to keep in mind: never underestimate the proclivity of an undergraduate fan to act with an utter lack of taste -- and to think it's humorous.

Also keep in mind that almost all of us were young and stupid at some point in time.

Agreed. And, in one way or another, we eventually paid a price for it ....  :-[
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: rollingthunda on March 08, 2006, 10:02:37 AM
Just my two cents on "the sign" issue.  I'm not condoning it by any means, but heckling is a part of the game.  I'm sure J.J. Reddick has gotten blasted a lot worse than the hearing sign.  You can throw out the rule book when it comes to student sections heckling players.  Anything and everything goes, from comments about players mothers and sisters to signs about their disabilities.  The more off color the comment, the funnier the kids think it is.  Is it right?  Probably not, but thats not going to stop it.  Again, I'm not saying its right, but as a player, you have to expect that kind of thing from a student section.  I personally wouldn't classify it as malicious as much as I would the kids trying anything they can to get in a players head and at the same time draw a laugh from their peers.  Kids are going to be kids.

I know at Etown you are required to complete 4 PE classes and each class is worth one credit, so from the sounds of it, it depends on the schools curriculum whether or not students must take PE classes as well as if those classes count as credits.  I also know that as a basketball player at Etown they don't restrict which PE classes you take, so the players ususally do take the basketball class.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: John Rusnak on March 08, 2006, 10:08:40 AM
I think there are just certain places you don't go, and trashing somebody for being deaf might be one of them.

I agree that part of being a player is having to deal with any and all insults that fans throw, but there's something about that one that rubs me the wrong way.

With that said, it's part of the game.  The problem is when that sign happens to be mentioned on HBO and now everybody in the country thinks Catholic fans are a-holes.

I'm sure if you took a sample of things said to JJ on any given night they could probably compete with that sign, but SportsCenter doesn't call those people out on national tv.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on March 08, 2006, 11:12:54 AM
On any given night, there are insults and signs just as bad, if not worse, than that particulary sign, sure.  But none of them are right.

I yell at officials as much as the next guy, so I'm not trying to take a 'holier than though' attitude, but there is a line and that sign crosses it and so do many of the other insults and signs and that sort of thing.

This one sort of gauls me though because there is a long tradition of Catholic and Gallaudet getting along.  The coaching staffs are friendly with each other and the fans usually have been.  Until this year, I've never seen or heard of a problem.  This year we had a bunch of them and that is unfortunate.

It is tough in D3.  At most places, its hard to get fans to come to games.  You want to do anything possible to get students to come to the games. This year we ended up having great fan support down the stretch and it made a different.  York and Mary Washington have that kind of great fan support too.  DuFour is a pretty big place and it takes a decent sized crowd to make enough noise to give you a real homecourt advantage.

But unfortunately, a very tiny minority of the some of the people who come to games---and I honestly believe this is true for virtually every school, in this league and everywhere else---don't know how far too take it.  Maybe they've been drinking before they show up or maybe they're just idiots.  Catholic is no different than any school--we've got a few of those.  If you actually counted it wouldn't amount to more than 1% of the crowd, but every now and then something like this happens and the 1% overshadows the 99%.   Most of the crowd would never have thought that sort of sign was appropriate.  I'm willing to guess that most of the Mary Washington fans wouldn't have thought the infamous "Cath-o-lick My Balls" side was a good idea either.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on March 08, 2006, 01:16:55 PM
Folks -

When I went to F&M in the late 1970's and early 1980's, (pre-historic ages) there was no PE requirement for graduation. I was not aware that they added it "in more recent years".

However, I wonder if they really enforce it since no credits are offered for it? I would guess that it is not an absolute requirment but I can't say that with 100% certainty. It is often hard enough to complete the requirements for a major and a minor or for a double major (as I was) along with satisfying the minimum core courses, let alone PE credits! Just food for thought.

Eric
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on March 08, 2006, 03:25:50 PM
Quote from: mwgoonie on February 22, 2006, 12:47:57 PM
As a fan, and i attend many games and often engage in heckling, there a few rules to abide by. These rules are just plan moral common sense and keeps cheering for your team and heckling within the competitive arena:

1. No racial/sexual/disability jabs
2. After the game, leave the refs alone.
3. Fans can cheer for their team, against/for refs, and against/for other teams, fans should not be threatening to fight opposing team's fans, etc. Just not classy.
4. Opposing fans, after the game, leave the game on the court/in the stands. Many times after games with heated cheering, I've ending talking with the opposing team's fans and talking about good/funny cheers for either side.
5. For current students, if you're going to arrive with a measurable BAC, try to kep in perspective that your cheering may be offensive/go over the line with some fans (especially with children, etc) in the crowd.

Anyways, just some things I've pick up going to CAC, NCAA tourney, out-of conference games. Feel free to add or discuss.




just thought i'd quote myself. All serious fans of the CAC/D3 get into the games, and sometimes get too wrapped up in the game. Rarely, do serious fans go over these bounds. Its 100% of the time the line is crossed is by drunken idiots who probably won't attend d3 games after they graduate (if they do graduate).
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: John Rusnak on March 08, 2006, 04:38:46 PM
Quote from: mwgoonie on March 08, 2006, 03:25:50 PM
just thought i'd quote myself.

Brings to mind only one thing...

"Quote myself: A white man wants to win first, look good second.  A black man wants to look good first and lose second.

That's the most ridiculous philosophical piece of bullsh*t I've ever heard."
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: rollingthunda on March 08, 2006, 04:40:21 PM
Quote from: mwgoonie on March 08, 2006, 03:25:50 PM
Quote from: mwgoonie on February 22, 2006, 12:47:57 PM
As a fan, and i attend many games and often engage in heckling, there a few rules to abide by. These rules are just plan moral common sense and keeps cheering for your team and heckling within the competitive arena:

1. No racial/sexual/disability jabs
2. After the game, leave the refs alone.
3. Fans can cheer for their team, against/for refs, and against/for other teams, fans should not be threatening to fight opposing team's fans, etc. Just not classy.
4. Opposing fans, after the game, leave the game on the court/in the stands. Many times after games with heated cheering, I've ending talking with the opposing team's fans and talking about good/funny cheers for either side.
5. For current students, if you're going to arrive with a measurable BAC, try to kep in perspective that your cheering may be offensive/go over the line with some fans (especially with children, etc) in the crowd.

Anyways, just some things I've pick up going to CAC, NCAA tourney, out-of conference games. Feel free to add or discuss.




just thought i'd quote myself. All serious fans of the CAC/D3 get into the games, and sometimes get too wrapped up in the game. Rarely, do serious fans go over these bounds. Its 100% of the time the line is crossed is by drunken idiots who probably won't attend d3 games after they graduate (if they do graduate).

I still attend games post-graduation.  I maybe the exception to the rule though.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 08, 2006, 05:43:37 PM
Quote from: rollingthunda on March 08, 2006, 04:40:21 PM
I still attend games post-graduation.  I maybe the exception to the rule though.

Depends. Were you a drunken idiot who crossed the line? :)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: andre james smith on March 08, 2006, 06:41:53 PM
Matt,
  Your lack of ability to recognize one wrongdoing without automatically pointing out something else that has happened in the past has occurred again.  By trying to compare a Mary Wash student who is actually Catholic dressing up as Jesus at a baskeball to a sign mocking people for a disability is hard to comprehend.  Ever since four years ago when my friends and I were physically threatened, pushed, had belongings stolen, and then asked by security to move I have had a certain axe to grind against the CUA fans.  I know this publicity may look bad for the CAC and D3 in general, and I'm sure I'll catch crap for it, but I do feel some major satisfaction for the bad seeds in the CUA stands getting called out on HBO for the whole nation to see.

Exerpt from Cua.edu...

The Catholic University of America recognizes that its distinctive character ultimately depends on the intellectual and moral quality of its members. To create an environment that is intellectually stimulating and characterized by the generosity and mutual support required for collegial life and personal growth, the university seeks men and women who are not only professionally competent but who also can contribute to its Catholic, moral and cultural milieu. The university seeks to preserve its tradition of collegial governance, fostering a climate within which all members of the university community have sufficient opportunities to influence deliberation and choice.  Though a research and teaching institution, the university recognizes that it is part of a larger community to which it has certain obligations consistent with its character. Its presence in the nation's capital and its unique relationship with the Catholic Church in America provide it with opportunities for influencing the resolution of the crucial issues of our time.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Cardinal guy on March 08, 2006, 07:50:43 PM
Yeah, you're right. Definitely mocking a religion (catholic my balls?) should be considered OK.

Hey, listen, I hope the person with the sign goes through the campus judicial system, because they deserve it. At least we keep our student body president out of jail.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: andre james smith on March 08, 2006, 08:08:37 PM
Catholic is the NAME OF THE SCHOOL, A$$...
Myself, would appreciate "Mary Wash my balls", "Salisbury steaks smell like balls", or "MaryMount my balls" as mocking a team name... I do not think that my Roman Catholic friend meant to mock HIS OWN RELIGION.. get a clue.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Cardinal guy on March 08, 2006, 08:16:28 PM
Oh thanks, I wasn't aware. Oh wait, I was.

I'm pretty sure that's not really the point. It's still mocking a religion. It's not as bad as the sign that was apparently brought to the Catholic/Gallaudet game but you can't pretend that it isn't offensive.

Jesus was funny. I was at that game. And there's no need to shout, is there? I can read you just fine in normal upper and lower case letters.

I also think you're overstating the viewership of HBO. It isn't like it was on The Sopranos or something.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: andre james smith on March 08, 2006, 08:25:21 PM
Either way, more people know about the sign than knew that CUA won the national championship.... and the sign wasn't apparently there, it actually was there my friend... anways I think we have beaten this subject to death.  The truth of the matter is that I am deeply saddened by CUA's departure from the CAC as I will now have to find another team to abhor.  I feel like we are the Red Sox after the dreaded Yankees have been sent to the National League.  Looking towards next season, how about them Eagles returning EVERYBODY???
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 08, 2006, 08:29:04 PM
Quote from: andre james smith on March 08, 2006, 08:25:21 PM
Either way, more people know about the sign than knew that CUA won the national championship.

In the national consciousness, the level of both is really zero. The notoriety is a moot point. The sign itself is not and although this was actually beaten to death before both of you jumped in, there's nothing anyone here can do about it, unless someone wants to rat out their friend to whomever the dean of students is these days. As an alumnus, I would support the campus judicial system being used regardless of whether it was on TV or not.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: andre james smith on March 08, 2006, 08:43:53 PM
I think the Dean is actually Cheeeeese, you know, that guy that Morley and Hilleary threw in the dumpster back in the day....
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on March 08, 2006, 09:17:33 PM
I never mentioned the guy dressed up like Jesus, I was talking about the sign.  But at least, after all these years, you actually admit he was dressing up like Jesus.  We wasted a hell of a lot of bandwith with you guys trying to tell us he was actually dressing up like Gandolf or something ridiculous.

If you want to go ahead and feel morally superior because your friend's sign said 'Cath-o-lick my balls' (which, by the way, nobody ever removed) and you think the idiot CUA fan's sign was worse, than go ahead.

I still think most people get the point, even if you don't: every school has idiots that do stupid things. But the good news for you is that you've still got one more year of CUA to abhor.  Not that I blame you. Since 1993, Mary Washington is 7-27 against Catholic.  Dangerously close to the Mendoza line (.206).  Better win a few games next year.

If you scroll back a page or two, by the way, you'd see that I already said I thought Mary Wash would be very good next year. 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on March 08, 2006, 10:19:41 PM
Quote from: andre james smith on March 08, 2006, 08:43:53 PM
I think the Dean is actually Cheeeeese, you know, that guy that Morley and Hilleary threw in the dumpster back in the day....

Awesome use of an Old School quote, and a relatively obscure one at that.

I think we can put this crap to bed now. Every school in the country is going to have fans that embarrass the alumni for a simple fact: the alumni are older. We all did something when we were young that we wish we hadn't and some of us even crossed the line and learned from our shame.

Point of example: I went to St. Joseph's Preparatory Seminary, in Princeton NJ for my first two years of High School. (Yes, I was studying to enter the Seminary and become a Priest) I played on the basketball team and got a double tech in the first 5 minutes of a game for both taking the Lord's name in vain while berating a ref for a call and then after that tech I used a string of bad words to boast about what I would do with his wife that night. I was 15, stupid and in training to become a Roman Catholic Priest and I was dumb enough to cross a line. I wish now I never did it, and believe you me, the punishment taught me a lesson I have carried with me for the last 15 years. I'm sure my coach who was both an alumnus of the school and a Priest was more let down in me than he could say, but steps were taken to make me learn that was not a way you can behave as a PERSON, religion aside.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on March 09, 2006, 09:38:38 AM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on March 08, 2006, 11:12:54 AM
  I'm willing to guess that most of the Mary Washington fans wouldn't have thought the infamous "Cath-o-lick My Balls" side was a good idea either.

The slogan reappeared this year on tee shirts at UMW when CUA visited Goolrick. I thought it very inappropriate.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 09, 2006, 09:51:02 AM
Quote from: kitchenrat on March 08, 2006, 10:19:41 PM
I played on the basketball team and got a double tech in the first 5 minutes of a game for both taking the Lord's name in vain while berating a ref for a call and then after that tech I used a string of bad words to boast about what I would do with his wife that night.
It is of course bad behavior, but let me thank you for hands down one of the funniest stories I have read about getting a "T". I know it wasn't funny at the time, but that beats any other reason I have heard for a tech. It could have been the way you told the story... but thanks for the laugh - I needed one this morning.

As for the rest of the issue... OK... we get the point! It has been something I have said for years... show some class, be respectful, and show good sportsmanship. To be honest, this conference as a whole has had a problem with all of these matters when it comes to thier fans. I would argue it is at the top of the Mid-Atlantic when it comes to bad behavior as a conference. It is a same and I certainly wish it would get cleaned up (though, it has come a long way since the SMC days!!!).

Quickly, I want to congratulate CUA and YCP... while their seasons came to end quicker than I thought and we didn't get a chance to see a rematch in the tourney... the teams certainly kept it interesting this past weekend. I think Widener certainly had a great game plan to beat both teams... but it was two of the more exciting games to watch this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on March 09, 2006, 10:11:14 AM
and here I thought we'd run out of topics to talk about since no CAC team (mens) is still playing....

Go Lady Eagles!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: John Rusnak on March 09, 2006, 10:16:18 AM
Quote from: d-mac on March 09, 2006, 09:51:02 AM
Quote from: kitchenrat on March 08, 2006, 10:19:41 PM
I played on the basketball team and got a double tech in the first 5 minutes of a game for both taking the Lord's name in vain while berating a ref for a call and then after that tech I used a string of bad words to boast about what I would do with his wife that night.
It is of course bad behavior, but let me thank you for hands down one of the funniest stories I have read about getting a "T". I know it wasn't funny at the time, but that beats any other reason I have heard for a tech. It could have been the way you told the story... but thanks for the laugh - I needed one this morning.

As for the rest of the issue... OK... we get the point! It has been something I have said for years... show some class, be respectful, and show good sportsmanship. To be honest, this conference as a whole has had a problem with all of these matters when it comes to thier fans. I would argue it is at the top of the Mid-Atlantic when it comes to bad behavior as a conference. It is a same and I certainly wish it would get cleaned up (though, it has come a long way since the SMC days!!!).

Quickly, I want to congratulate CUA and YCP... while their seasons came to end quicker than I thought and we didn't get a chance to see a rematch in the tourney... the teams certainly kept it interesting this past weekend. I think Widener certainly had a great game plan to beat both teams... but it was two of the more exciting games to watch this year.

In high school I told a ref that unless he was going to blow me as well as he was blowing the game, he needed to get off his knees...that got me one.

Any other good T stories out there?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 09, 2006, 10:23:23 AM
Quote from: John Rusnak on March 09, 2006, 10:16:18 AM
In high school I told a ref that unless he was going to blow me as well as he was blowing the game, he needed to get off his knees...that got me one.

Any other good T stories out there?
Rusnak - If I am not mistaken, you might not have gotten a "T" in the last 10 years for that comment... you haven't stopped using it from the stands :).
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: rollingthunda on March 09, 2006, 10:31:37 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 08, 2006, 05:43:37 PM
Quote from: rollingthunda on March 08, 2006, 04:40:21 PM
I still attend games post-graduation.  I maybe the exception to the rule though.

Depends. Were you a drunken idiot who crossed the line? :)

Maybe not quite the terminoloy I would use for myself, but I went to games inebriated and yelled my fair share of off-color comments.

Andre,

Feel free to keep breaking out the "balls" comments.  I had a good 20 minute laugh off that post.  I see no problem with any of those comments appearing on a sign at a game.  If security or Administration feels its inappropriate, they will deal with the situation as they deam necessary.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on March 09, 2006, 10:47:04 AM
Administration is a toss up. If been to game where administration takes away the "noise sticks" ...(Marymount) from fans and then to games where fans cuss, fight, etc...

So its a toss up. Basically, it's what makes it interesting at d3 games, on and off the court.

Also, i attend games, post graduation.....
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on March 09, 2006, 10:58:23 AM
D-Mac. I have a ton of great T stories, since we were a Seminary any time we acted up it seamed even more outrageous. After I transferred to a public school (cause lets face it, I was never cut out to be a Priest) I played much more under control, but still got a tech for "pantsing" a player on the opposing team with :20 seconds to go in a 35 point game after the first of two free throws. We were losing and, he and I worked together at a local Pizza shop. My coach wasn't happy, to say the least. That was the end of my growing up, I have been fully mature ever since then, Just ask Scott from YCP.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: John Rusnak on March 09, 2006, 11:21:50 AM
Quote from: mwgoonie on March 09, 2006, 10:47:04 AM
Also, i attend games, post graduation.....

If the only people allowed into games were those that hadn't graduated yet, they really wouldn't even need to build stands in most gyms.  They could just put out a few folding chairs under the basket.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: want2b on March 10, 2006, 05:41:06 PM
i have been out of the country for a while and i just saw the all cac team. please tell me it wasa joke.brandon bushey second team, shane sowden didnt even get noticed, you got to be kiddin me. if any of the voters took their heads out of the sand and looked at the stats both of these kids should have been 1st team. sowden was top 10 in almost every catagory. that kid changed the game every time he was in, and dont give me if he was that good his coach would have played him more. that is another story in it self. no one on cua everaged over 28 minutes a game. sowden had 15 more blocks more than the next clsoest player who averaged more time. sure it sour grapes but that voting was a joke.two seniors on either team. in closing i would like to thanks pat satalin, aaron kelly, matt spierenburger. and shane sowden for four outstanding years. what these kids had to go through this year both on and off the court wasnt right. i just wanted to thank these four for  heart they showed and  determination to make it as far as they did. a month ago noone would have given them a chance to make the cyo playoffs. they kids continued to fight through the face of adversity. good luck satalin, kelly, spierenburger, and sowden
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Coach C on March 11, 2006, 03:10:08 PM
My best T story is loudly asking an official if he was planning to make the all tournament team as a (whoever we were playing).

C
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: jmccloskey on March 13, 2006, 01:14:21 AM
Anyone know if the CAC is content with nine members starting in 2007, or if they intend to bring in someone else?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Coach C on March 13, 2006, 10:38:57 AM
jack,

i think the whole region is in play.

C
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on March 13, 2006, 10:41:04 AM
Quote from: Coach C on March 13, 2006, 10:38:57 AM
jack,

i think the whole region is in play.

C

C: Any ideas on how the whole region will ultimately play out?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Coach C on March 13, 2006, 10:55:02 AM
WT -

Not this week.  things are kinda quiet right now, but may heat up this weekend.

C
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on March 13, 2006, 11:01:16 AM
Quote from: Coach C on March 11, 2006, 03:10:08 PM
My best T story is loudly asking an official if he was planning to make the all tournament team as a (whoever we were playing).

C

I remember Coach Brown getting T-ed up in a game last season against WPU when one official was just awful all night for both teams, he was calling fouls on players that were no where near where the foul occured, he seemed to try to correct blown calls by just blowing his whistle at anyone.  He appeared to be the head ref because he overturned calls by the other officials.

The call that got Coach Brown the T was an offensive goaltending call against NJCU that he made when he was three quarters of the way down the court the other way and the official that it happened right in front of called it a basket.  The NJCU player never touched the ball, he just went up with the shot to get the tip in or rebound.

When the "bad" official waved off the call Coach lost it.  He started chewing up one side of this clown and down the other, when he got the T he increased the pressure until he got the second T.  He told us after the game that it never felt so good to get thrown out of a game, he said that the goaltend was the last straw and it was time to let this clown know how he felt.  The funny thing is Coach Rembibas said after the game to coach Brown and a couple of the WPU and NJCU coachs that he was waiting for the next blown call against WPU to do the same thing.

I have to note that I have not seen that ref at an NJAC game since that night.  I think tape and complaints were sent in from both teams on that one.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: jmccloskey on March 13, 2006, 07:39:43 PM
Quote from: Coach C on March 13, 2006, 10:38:57 AM
jack,

i think the whole region is in play.

C

So it would seem.  We've got at least one conference (AWCC) that looks like it'll end up folding because of all the movement.  We're gonna need a playbook just to keep track of who's going where.

Jeff (not Jack)  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: lefty2 on March 13, 2006, 09:14:35 PM
According to the Steven's Tech website, the "Interstate 8" is now the "Interstate 7."

http://www.stevensducks.com/sports/news/release.asp?RELEASE_ID=10331
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 13, 2006, 10:23:19 PM
What's the reasoning for this new league?(cut costs, academics, athletic expectations, concerns about the old league, etc.) 
It certainly doesn't cut down on travel.
The schools seemed spread all over the place.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 13, 2006, 10:43:43 PM
Wow... interesting.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on March 14, 2006, 12:20:34 AM
Alright York.

Come on along....

Seat, you've touched on the main reasons.  The CAC is currently a hodgepodge of expensive private, less expensive private, public, and specialty schools that don't mesh together very well.  It was becoming impossible for the expensive private schools to compete with the public schools in terms of aid packages, etc.  My understanding is that this is especially true in sports other than basketball.

I wouldn't put down some of the fine academic schools like Mary Washington in the CAC, but the new league is probably a little more even from top to bottom in terms of academics.

There are many people that have concerns about the CAC, the way it handles problems, the way its run, the officiating, etc, also.  Lots of people.  Apparently  2 of the schools decided to do something about it and left. 

I think the plan was to group games together to cut down on travel expenses.  That would be my big concern.

Well, I hope the I-7/8 comes up with another member.  C'mon Spartans, you know you want to...

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopandtheharm on March 14, 2006, 01:11:09 PM
Stevens joins Empire 8!

http://www.empire8.com/031406-1.html
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on March 14, 2006, 02:13:07 PM
Quote from: lefty2 on March 13, 2006, 09:14:35 PM
According to the Steven's Tech website, the "Interstate 8" is now the "Interstate 7."

http://www.stevensducks.com/sports/news/release.asp?RELEASE_ID=10331

Quote from: hoopandtheharm on March 14, 2006, 01:11:09 PM
Stevens joins Empire 8!

http://www.empire8.com/031406-1.html


Moving fast & often! I wonder where Stevens will be next week  ;D 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 14, 2006, 07:04:27 PM
Anything wrong with the story we had on D3hoops.com, hoopandtheharm? After all, we don't ignore the fact that Stevens committed to another conference before pulling out.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on March 14, 2006, 07:25:39 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 14, 2006, 07:04:27 PM
... [W]e don't ignore the fact that Stevens committed to another conference before pulling out.

The decision by Stevens to pull out of a new conference, a conference in which they were apparently a founding member, is puzzling. In fact, it's a bit disturbing.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cuabigdog on March 14, 2006, 08:18:19 PM
I don't know anaything about Stevens , but to drop out after making a committment like that make me wonder if maybe they just couldn't handle the competition of the league... i guess we'll never know now ...
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopandtheharm on March 14, 2006, 08:33:24 PM
No problem with it at all Pat, didn't mean to offend anyone, sorry.

As you all know, there is a lot of movement happening in the division so this may continue for some time. I-8, SCAC, HCAC, PAC, MAC, CAC, now E8. I think it is just the reality - nothing more nothing less. 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on March 14, 2006, 09:02:05 PM
Maybe Stevens is being advised by the NJCU Crack athletic steering committee as Phil named them one time.  Or is the NJCU Athletic Steering committee on crack?  I always get them confused.  I wonder is there isn't more going on within the other teams that are members of the Insidious Eight, I mean Seven that caused Stevens to pull out and go to the Empire 8.

I also see the Skyline conference either breaking up or getting a makeover in the next few years.  They are a mix of Private and state schools.  I also wonder if the Empire 8 didn't invite Stevens in anticipation of some schools leaving.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on March 14, 2006, 11:24:14 PM
All I can say is that I'm glad Stevens is out now.

At least at the beginning of the process, they've been exposed for a shady bunch.  Rather find out now before its too late to do anything about it.  Obviously not the type of place you want to partner with. 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on March 15, 2006, 09:45:57 AM
I don't work at the York, and I have no insider info, but I would be willing to put down big money that says there is no way they leave the CAC. No matter what. It just doesn't jive with the way the president does things, and after all no matter what the athletic department may want, it is the president that has the final say so. If one of the other CAC teams was to go, I wouldn't be surprised but if YCP does I would be shocked.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on March 15, 2006, 11:02:36 AM
As Stevens ducks out of the new Interstate 8 and moves to the Empire 8, the school should drop its nickname and adopt Cats. Both its identity and its league affiliation would be fluid. We could call it Yusuf Islam.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on March 15, 2006, 11:26:00 AM
Congrats to Brandon Bushey and Chad McGowan for earning second team All-Region accolades. I guess Brandon is good enough to be on the second team All-Region squad but not good enough to make first-team All-CAC. Interesting

Also congrats to Justin Baker and Tyson Lesesne for earning third team honors.

Now, on to the offseason.....
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on March 15, 2006, 12:20:27 PM
Hey, Catholic was completely shut out of the thing...

Whatever...

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 15, 2006, 12:33:52 PM
Only one Catholic men's basketball player was eligible, and he was not nominated.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on March 15, 2006, 01:22:35 PM
Yeah.

I think Dwyer will make it next year.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopandtheharm on March 15, 2006, 09:33:28 PM
For what ever it is worth, I understand that Empire 8 is adding becuase one of their members, Rochester Tech, is going to go Division I in the future. This is fairly common knowledge in the NY area. They recently went DI in men's hockey and will likely go in women's too. It is more a matter of survival for them and apparently they have been trying to expand for a long time. I also heard E8 talked to Stevens before they decided to go to the new conference. As to why Stevens pulled out of that bunch I haven't heard but I'd guess they didn't like something or just felt E8 was the better match for them. either way, best not to make assumptions.

It's really similar to the CAC. That newly formed league took members from everyone included Capital which left you needing to add members to survive. So you added Wesley (PAC) Villa Julie (NEAC) and Hood (AWCC). I am guessing no one criticized CAC for their moves and they shouldn't have. I just thought some of this info might be helpful since some had made some assumptions about E8 and Stevens.   
   
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on March 15, 2006, 10:15:06 PM
I think the criticism here is mostly towards Stevens, which apparently did some old school two timin.'
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopandtheharm on March 16, 2006, 12:33:14 AM
Thanks Matt - anyways, how does Wesley, Villa Julie and Hood look for you guys? Which sports will be your tops? I know Wesley is very good in football and both hoops teams made ECACs.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: muchacho on March 16, 2006, 11:30:03 AM
QuoteI know Wesley is very good in football and both hoops teams made ECACs.

The CAC is a football powerhouse. York hasn't lost a football game in decades. As a matter of fact...I believe Mary Wash, Marymount, and St. Mary's have been undefeated for a long time too.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on March 16, 2006, 12:25:59 PM
That's true.

Those teams literally can't be beaten.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on March 16, 2006, 01:03:41 PM
YCP Football.... undefeated since 1787!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopandtheharm on March 16, 2006, 01:51:35 PM
That really is hilarious, got a good laugh out of that. Aside from football, which CAC is clearly a national powerhouse, how does it look for other sports?

Just heard they evacuated the arena in Cali due to a suspicious package. Let's hope its nothing. 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Akela15 on March 16, 2006, 07:36:49 PM
Both York and Salisbury finished ranked in the top 25 this year in Mens soccer.  Salisbury loses a lot of players but York only loses 3-4 so they should be good again next year. 

York's Golf team is also very good, but not well known around campus.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: lefty2 on March 16, 2006, 08:29:55 PM
Wesley went to the final four in football last year, but their best program throughout the years has been golf.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cuabigdog on March 17, 2006, 08:33:56 AM
catholics  big sports
mens/women's basketball and women's soccer
mens basketball :ncaa
women's basketball : ecac
women's soccer: ncaa



Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on March 23, 2006, 11:50:54 PM
Some very exciting news from YCP as the floor in the "new" Wolf Gym is being painted this week. A dramatically different look from the "old" Wolf Gym. 
The new arena is very bright and should make for an outstanding facility. Of course, anything is brighter than the lights in the old gym.
I will post new photos on the YCP web once the facility is getting ready to open in late April.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Coach C on March 24, 2006, 10:07:28 AM
ycp -

They are going to paint the tile?  Or has ycp sprung for actual wood??????

C
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on March 25, 2006, 05:00:10 PM
We will have beautiful, beautiful wood. It makes the whole gym very bright (that along with lighting that doesn't make you wonder if you are in a cave or a gym)

The tile has about seven more weeks of existence. Everyone try to hold back your tears :)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on March 25, 2006, 05:18:49 PM
Quote from: ycp on March 25, 2006, 05:00:10 PM
The tile has about seven more weeks of existence. Everyone try to hold back your tears :)


The question is... When Can I buy a tile? The brick outside the new gym isn't enough for me, I need a tile. One with green on it would be nice. Let me know when you know.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 27, 2006, 12:17:55 AM
For those trying to stave off the offseason, just a reminder that we have boards for baseball and lacrosse:

Baseball: http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=4201.0
Men's lacrosse: http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=4305.0
Women's lacrosse: http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=4326.0
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on March 27, 2006, 10:48:04 AM
Ehh. Basketball or bust, baby.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 27, 2006, 02:01:37 PM
You can keep the downer stuff to yourself, thanks. Rest of us are trying to build something here.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Akela15 on March 27, 2006, 02:50:53 PM
Just because Catholic isnt very good at many other sports, there are boards for other sports.  I agree with Pat.  All he is trying to do is get more exposure for the spring athletes/sports.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on March 27, 2006, 03:59:47 PM
Oh for God's sake, I'm kidding people.

Lighten up.

And besides which, I'll have you know that Catholic was home to the CAC women's soccer champs, boasts a 12-3 softball team, a good tennis team....

Now the baseball...not so much.  Though I dare say we did produce the most famous baseball alumni of the CAC.  Unfortunately he happens to be GM of the Evil Empire.

For the record, I wish nothing but success to the other boards.  I just miss basketball.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Coach C on March 29, 2006, 03:48:40 PM
Well, legally you are allowed to continue practice until next Monday!

C
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: unreallawns on April 05, 2006, 09:39:36 AM
Overall, Salisbury has the best athletics in the conference.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Akela15 on April 12, 2006, 01:31:47 AM
Right now I think York is a close second in most sports to Salisbury if not better in some.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Akela15 on April 29, 2006, 08:40:28 PM
York opened its new Grumbacher Sport and Fitness today.  It is simply amazing.  It puts York right at the top of facilities in the conference, and in the region.  It will be interesting to see if the basketball team has the same success in its new arena.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 29, 2006, 09:03:03 PM
Usually a team doesn't experience the same kind of homecourt advantage right away in a new place. However, the fact that it opens seven months before the season starts gives the players plenty of opportunity to adjust to the new sightlines and such.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on May 07, 2006, 08:56:38 AM
Actually, it's Mary Washington who has won 11 of the 15 CAC All-Sports Awards since the start of the conference... Salisbury has won the other four, including this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 07, 2006, 01:56:22 PM
Makes sense, since Mary Washington has been in the conference longer. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Jeff Gamber on May 18, 2006, 12:59:21 PM
Three Division III Men's Basketball players received NCAA Postgraduate Scholarships;
         Brandon Bushey - York College
         Adam Dauksas - Illinois Wesleyan
         Kyle Witucky - Wooster
These 3 teams had alot of wins this past year. Brandon is the first York College athlete to win this award.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on May 21, 2006, 05:53:46 PM
Yeah, we did whup up one everyone those first four years...
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Coach C on May 22, 2006, 11:32:49 AM
Is this the CAC room, or has there been a spring makeover to the wildly odd D1 chat room.  Maybe you all need to wander over to the Liberty League room.

C
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cuabigdog on June 10, 2006, 05:09:55 PM
any opinion on the new conf LANDMARK CONF.  !!!! they should have stuck with INTERSTATE 8 ..but thats just this man's opinion ... the teams should make for an intresting match up in basket ball  since CATHOLIC does a lot of recruiting in these areas   05'-06'  CUA  21-7..GOUCHER  3-21....DREW 9-16...MORAVIAN 9-16....JUNIATA 10-15.....SUSQUEHANNA  10-15     U.S. MERCHANT MARINE ACADEMY ???... well i guess we should enjoy the last CAC Season coming up and the good rivalries  between the schools ...there is alwasy hope that certain schools will cont to play each other ... see you all in OCT !!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 10, 2006, 06:36:47 PM
Merchant Marine 10-16.

In women's basketball, just for sake of argument:

Moravian 21-7, 11-3 MAC Commonwealth
Catholic 19-9, 10-4 CAC
Drew 12-13, 6-8 MAC Freedom
Juniata 13-12, 6-8 MAC Commonwealth
Susquehanna 14-12, 6-8 MAC Commonwealth
Merchant Marine 15-10, 7-4 Skyline
Goucher 6-15, 2-12 CAC
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cuabigdog on June 10, 2006, 07:56:59 PM
thanks Pat..
  i had forgotten that Merchant Marines  also goes by Kings Point...it looks as if the Women's side could be a very competitive conf .. only time will tell
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on July 31, 2006, 01:58:40 PM
Just for anyone that is interested I have posted photos on the web of the new Grumbacher Sport and Fitness Center and the new Charles Wolf Gymnasium.

http://www.ycp.edu/sports/wolfhome.html

I hope everyone is having a good summer. Hard to believe it almost time to start with fall sports and then hoops!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 31, 2006, 03:51:52 PM
Wow, nice shots. Thanks for posting.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Coach C on July 31, 2006, 09:05:00 PM
Great pictures!!

Is there pipe smoke generator to create the proper ambiance for the new facility?

C
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on August 02, 2006, 10:44:41 AM
Coach Gamber hasn't smoked the pipe for a number of years so it will just smell like a NEW gym!

I can't wait for everyone to get a first hand look, it certainly is going to be a great place for games.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on August 05, 2006, 02:30:14 PM
I cant wait to see a game in our new home. When can I buy my season ticket?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cuguy on August 06, 2006, 02:59:09 PM
Great looking place, congratulations, York.

It's somehow fitting that the captions for several pics describe them as views "of the floor."
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cac on September 08, 2006, 10:03:51 PM
Anyone aware Jerome Habel the one semester player at St. Mary's 2004-05
has signed with San Diego State and Steve Fischer. He was listed as the second
highest rated JUCO big man last season. Played for JC school in Cal. They list him as a Jr. I believe this has to be his fourth school not including Florida State were he first signed.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on September 12, 2006, 05:15:21 PM
Huh. No kidding.  Here's the press release from SDSU.

They left out the massive drug bust which resulted in his expulsion from St. Mary's in his bio.  Unfortunate oversight.

San Diego State Men's Basketball Signs Jerome Habel to NLI
San Bernardino junior college star will join the Aztecs next season



April 12, 2006

SAN DIEGO - San Diego State head coach Steve Fisher announced the signing of Jerome Habel (rhymes with ABLE), a 6-10, 220-pound forward from San Bernardino Valley College to a National Letter of Intent on Wednesday.

Habel, a former top 100 prospect out of high school, was named to the Street & Smith first-team all-sophomore junior college team. He is ranked as the number two junior college prospect in the nation by JucoJunction.com and averaged 16.8 points, 9.2 rebounds and 2.5 blocked shots per game in leading the Wolverines to the quarterfinals of the state tournament in March.

"We are extremely excited to welcome Jerome to San Diego State University and Aztec basketball," Fisher said. "He will provide us with size, experience and athletic ability that will compliment the returning players on the team."

A native of Washington D.C., Habel attended Walt Whitman (Md.) High where he was named to The Washington Post all-metro team as a senior and averaged 20.1 points, 11.1 rebounds, 7.4 assists and recorded six triple-doubles.

Habel joins Jervaugn Johnson (6-6, 225) from Centennial High in Compton, Calif., Jon Pastorek (6-9) from Canyon High in Anaheim, Calif., and Kashif Watson (6-3, 180) from Bishop Gorman High in Las Vegas who signed during the early signing period. Three of the four Aztec newcomers were ranked among the top 100 high school players in their class.

"The addition of Jerome to our three early signees gives us an excellent group of newcomers who will bring versatility to an already excellent group of returnees," Fisher said.

The Aztecs will also add Lorrenzo Wade next season. Wade, who attended San Diego State this season, sat out the 2005-06 season after transferring from the University of Louisville. As a freshman, Wade was selected as one of the top transfers in the nation by Street & Smith's. He played in 35 games and averaged 9.9 minutes as a true freshman on a Cardinal squad that went 35-5 overall, 14-2 in Conference USA and advanced to the NCAA Final Four. Wade has three years of athletic eligibility remaining.

San Diego State posted a 24-9 record in the 2005-06 season, advanced to the NCAA Tournament for the first time since 2002, claimed its first regular season conference title since 1978 and joined Duke and UCLA as the only three teams from conferences ranked among the top nine in RPI to claim both a regular-season league title outright and a conference tournament championship. The Aztecs could return as many as four starters off last season's team, including Associated Press honorable mention All-American and Mountain West Conference Player of the Year Brandon Heath and second-team all-league performer Mohamed Abukar.




Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cac on September 13, 2006, 05:08:12 PM
If you go by his past track record he may not last his two years- which is to bad.
If I am not mistaken since he was not a qualifer out of HS he must have his 2 yr. degree to be eligible this season? I would like to see those transcripts. I think  a article was written on him while at St Marys that detailed his basketball history up to that point. As I recall he was attending the Marriott School in DC after Walt Whitman HS but it was found that the school didn't exist or the players weren't enrolled so the team folded?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: muchacho on October 06, 2006, 01:38:18 PM
http://www.cuacardinals.com/sports/mbkb/2006-07/news/100406_ireland

Good luck to Matt Hilleary. Good to see him getting back into competitive basketball.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on October 10, 2006, 08:46:47 AM
It's nice to hear about former Cardinal center Matt Hilleary once again. Good luck and hope he would success with basketball in oversea.

I am back from season long vacation since D-3 Final Four end last season. I am getting exciting now since the basketball season is just around the corner. Just 5 more days left for it's first official practice. Let's warm up before the season opener come up before you know it.  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on October 12, 2006, 12:18:43 PM
Are you locked in a building somewhere at Gally or what?

The way it looks now, nobody might be playing the Bison this year because they'll be nobody to play!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on October 12, 2006, 04:03:02 PM
Ahh, long time no post. I was at the Grumbacher Center the other day for a Volleyball game, and I've got to tell all of you that the place is amazing. It will make the perfect backdrop for Chad McGowan's MVP Junior Season.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on October 13, 2006, 10:57:51 AM
Matt,

Nope, I was not lock in a building somewhere at Gallaudet.. I am still on campus fine and all good. Wait and see about your comment about nobody might be playing the Bison..  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 13, 2006, 05:10:54 PM
I just caught up with the news. Crazy stuff going on at Gallaudet.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on October 23, 2006, 01:56:43 PM
10/23/06
UMW Men's Basketball to be Featured on Fox Channel 5 Morning News on Wednesday Morning


FREDERICKSBURG, VA - The University of Mary Washington men's basketball program will be featured on Fox Channel 5 in Washington, DC on Wednesday, October 25 from 6:00-9:00 am, as part of the "Let Tony Try It" weather segment every 15 minutes of the broadcast. Tony Perkins, Channel 5's weatherman, will attend practice and try his hand at running and coaching drills, taping ankles, and keeping statistics, and will give his weather report every 15 minutes from Goolrick Gymnasium.<p>
"This is a special opportunity for our program and our fans", said UMW head coach Rod Wood. "With the emphasis we have on recruiting in the DC and Northern Virginia areas, the chance to be seen in every living room in the DC Metro area will give us a greater visibility and name recognition."
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on October 26, 2006, 02:37:31 PM
Mary Washington's posted a roster with 17 players

http://athletics.umw.edu/mb07roster.htm

6 are freshmen
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: muchacho on October 27, 2006, 09:49:20 AM
I believe UMW freshman Michael Fumai is the brother of CUA's Scott Fumai. It will be interesting to watch if they end up seeing time against each other this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: muchacho on October 27, 2006, 10:16:50 AM
CUA's roster is also up now.

http://www.cuacardinals.com/sports/mbkb/2006-07/roster
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on October 27, 2006, 01:17:53 PM
Everybody have a good summer?

CUA's got an interesting team.  Actually very young, but with a strong senior class of Dwyer, Wheeler, Fumai, Papageorge and Wasilenko.  All of them are good guys with good leadership potential--younger players will be well served by learning from them.

With Stolzenthaler, Olivero and Yarborough returning at guard, CUA's got some good depth.  They're going to need some freshman to step up in the forward spots though.

Catholic plays next Friday at Loyola (MD).  I'm going to try to make the trip.  Kind of a tough schedule--things are different with the addition of Hood...Catholic's got some weeks with three games on the road.  Tough.  Albright tourney should be good competition right off the bat.

Yeah, Michael Fumai is Scott's brother...huh.

Totally new coaching staff for Steve Howes this year---congrats to Jim Black moving on to American and John Becker (former CUA Assistant and Gally head coach), now Director of Basketall Ops at Vermont under Mike Lonergan.  Howes has some great new coaches though that have done really well on the DC Circuits--should be good recruiters and have led winning programs at St. Vincent Pallotti, Blake, and St. Albans. 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: muchacho on October 29, 2006, 09:56:23 PM
QuoteCUA's got an interesting team.  Actually very young, but with a strong senior class of Dwyer, Wheeler, Fumai, Papageorge and Wasilenko.  All of them are good guys with good leadership potential--younger players will be well served by learning from them.

Its interesting to note that Catholic has no juniors on the roster. That was the year Lonergan went to Maryland, and it took them too long to name Howes the coach. With a strong program, I don't think it was really noticeable that they had no impact from that recruiting year. However, now when they would be 3rd year players, when most guys really come into their own, Catholic seems to be seriously lacking depth. The 5 seniors you listed could very likely be the starting 5, but what kind of production will the Cards get from the young guys. You mentioned 3 freshman who saw some playing time last year, but none of them were huge impacts. Besides Dwyer and Fumai, Catholic doesn't have another guy returning who averaged over 3.7 pts. Catholic definitely needs another scorer, and I don't know where that will come from.

QuoteThey're going to need some freshman to step up in the forward spots though.
Very true. John Mish and Andrew Baker are not on the roster this season, and they had some size and decent contributions last year as reserves.
Catholic has always had good depth with their big guys since I've been watching the program. While Dwyer is a good player and Wheeler has earned his spot over the years, there is absolutely nobody behind them who has proven themselves. It might get tough for Catholic during those games when Dwyer picks up quick fouls. Howes will probably need to adjust to a much more guard centered offense.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on October 30, 2006, 01:28:29 AM
That's true.  Well, hey, Catholic always had a guard-oriented offense during the Glory Days anyway!

They will need guys to step up.  I think its probably not QUITE as bleak as you make it out to be, only because Stolz and Olivero did show quite a bit last year (ppg numbers are little deceptive to judge freshman by--most of them have to earn their playing time and spend the beginning of the season sitting on the bench). Both of them did have double digit scoring games at various points.

But even so, obviously in the frontcourt, the freshman are going to have to have an impact.  They've got 3 freshman over 6'5.  Lets face it--its not like CUA was getting a ton out of its frontcourt bench anyway (Spirenberg, Baker...uh....), so we'll see.

Just as much as it is about the young guys, this senior class has a chance to really make its mark.  While recognizing the great accomplishments of last year's seniors during their careers, there is no question they simply didn't have the kind of year that the program expected of them.   I think the guys everyone really thought would have big seasons never took that leap like, say, Will Morley did his senior year.  So here you have a group, all of which have shown flashes--do they put it together?   I think you look to Dwyer and Fumai--both of them are capable of carrying a team and taking over a game.  Remember that Mary Wash game in the CAC's when everybody was just standing around, and then Fumai went nuts and starting nailing 3's?

This league is going to tough this year though--its WIDE open unlike it has been in a while.  York is way, way down, but certainly still a contender, Mary Wash is very strong, Salisbury is strong, Marymount has a bunch of transfers (same old--talent is there...but that isn't generally the issue over there), and of course, there's Catholic, who hasn't had an actual BAD season in ten years. 

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on October 30, 2006, 11:52:30 AM
I think York has a chance to be a real thorn in a lot of team's sides this year. There is no doubt the Spartans have lost a ton from last year to this, but there is still a lot of talent on this team. Obviously the loss of the 4 seniors is huge. Bushey, Fass, Singer and Lee accounted for 39.17 ppg and 18.31 rpg. Add to that the loss of Quinn Howard who put up 5.1 ppg, 2.1 rpg and almost 1 steel per game and that seems like an insurmountable loss. Especially when you consider the leadership abilities the seniors brought and the intangibles displayed by Lee and Fass that never showed up in the box score.

All that said I think this team will have a few really great games this year. Lead by Player of the Year candidate Chad McGowan (17.8 ppg 6.4 rpg 1.2 bpg and .93 spg as a soph) this years team has less depth but still sports great athletes through out. The starting 5 should be: seniors Brad Zerfing (7.3 ppg 3.2 apg  44 TO 3.2 rpg) Joe Yeck (3.8 ppg 2.5 apg in just 15 minutes a game) as the guards. The forwards will be McGowan, Nate Fry (7 ppg 3.4 rpg as a freshman) and Nate Lankford a 6-3 sophamore who last played for Slippery Rock (5.1 ppg in 24 games/15 starts. 15 min per game) There should be steady contributions from Pat Kelley and Mike Riley at forward as well as both of them will see more time this year.

This year's squad has 5 new freshman ( Michael McEachern 6-1 G, Nick Brady 6-2 G, Bennett Foelber 6-5 F, Jeremy Keefer 6-5 F, and Adam O'brien 6-3 F) and one new Sophomore in Lankford. Add to that a ton of excitement from the new building and it should be a solid season. 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: muchacho on October 30, 2006, 01:15:02 PM
QuoteThat's true.  Well, hey, Catholic always had a guard-oriented offense during the Glory Days anyway!

CUA had great guards with Rice, Moloney, and Judge during their championship run, but they don't win it without Morley and Hilleary. Hilleary and Morley were the 2nd and 3rd leading scorers on that team, so the offense wasn't that dominated by guards.


QuoteThey will need guys to step up.  I think its probably not QUITE as bleak as you make it out to be, only because Stolz and Olivero did show quite a bit last year (ppg numbers are little deceptive to judge freshman by--most of them have to earn their playing time and spend the beginning of the season sitting on the bench). Both of them did have double digit scoring games at various points.

I wouldn't say it is bleak. I'm sure several guys may step up, while some might falter. Olivero is a great competitor, and showed flashes of great play. However, he won't have as much time to adjust like he did last year if he is being counted on to be a major impact. Stolz will be alright, but I don't see him as a scorer. Is one of them good enough to be a consistent third scorer on days when Dwyer or Fumai are either in foul trouble or shooting cold? I'm not sold on that yet.

QuoteBut even so, obviously in the frontcourt, the freshman are going to have to have an impact.  They've got 3 freshman over 6'5.  Lets face it--its not like CUA was getting a ton out of its frontcourt bench anyway (Spirenberg, Baker...uh....), so we'll see.

CUA didn't have a go-to frontcourt reserve off the bench last year. However, they had Wheeler and Spierenburg as well as the young guys. They might not have been offensive forces, but were reliable to get you minutes. And 3 freshman over 6-5 doesn't mean anything. Jeff Baccash at 6-9 looked good on the roster, but did that mean anything when the games had to be played.

There are two concerns I have for Catholic. 1- A third scorer. 2- Overall depth.

QuoteThis league is going to tough this year though--its WIDE open unlike it has been in a while.  York is way, way down, but certainly still a contender, Mary Wash is very strong, Salisbury is strong, Marymount has a bunch of transfers (same old--talent is there...but that isn't generally the issue over there), and of course, there's Catholic, who hasn't had an actual BAD season in ten years.

I like Mary Washington at the beginning of the year. This will be the last year for AJ Fitzgerald and Mike Lee to make things happen, and they are two very explosive players. York's depth will also be down, but McGowan is the CAC's best player. If the guys who were on the bench last year develop into decent role players around him, York winning the conference wouldn't surprise me either. I see those two teams at the top, with Catholic right behind them. I still don't see Catholic having a BAD season, but I don't see them as a force right now.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on October 31, 2006, 11:11:59 AM
Quote from: muchacho on October 30, 2006, 01:15:02 PM
QuoteI still don't see Catholic having a BAD season, but I don't see them as a force right now.

If not now, never. At least in the CAC.  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on October 31, 2006, 04:49:33 PM
Quote from: muchacho on October 30, 2006, 01:15:02 PM
QuoteThat's true.  Well, hey, Catholic always had a guard-oriented offense during the Glory Days anyway!

CUA had great guards with Rice, Moloney, and Judge during their championship run, but they don't win it without Morley and Hilleary. Hilleary and Morley were the 2nd and 3rd leading scorers on that team, so the offense wasn't that dominated by guards.

Well, I mean you could say that for anyone.  But c'mon--Pat Maloney single handidly won some of those games, particularly in the NCAAs.  We all know that.  The guards were murderous on defense (ask Horace Jenkins).  Of course others contributed, but...


QuoteThey will need guys to step up.  I think its probably not QUITE as bleak as you make it out to be, only because Stolz and Olivero did show quite a bit last year (ppg numbers are little deceptive to judge freshman by--most of them have to earn their playing time and spend the beginning of the season sitting on the bench). Both of them did have double digit scoring games at various points.

I wouldn't say it is bleak. I'm sure several guys may step up, while some might falter. Olivero is a great competitor, and showed flashes of great play. However, he won't have as much time to adjust like he did last year if he is being counted on to be a major impact. Stolz will be alright, but I don't see him as a scorer. Is one of them good enough to be a consistent third scorer on days when Dwyer or Fumai are either in foul trouble or shooting cold? I'm not sold on that yet.

Right.  No way to know yet.

QuoteBut even so, obviously in the frontcourt, the freshman are going to have to have an impact.  They've got 3 freshman over 6'5.  Lets face it--its not like CUA was getting a ton out of its frontcourt bench anyway (Spirenberg, Baker...uh....), so we'll see.

CUA didn't have a go-to frontcourt reserve off the bench last year. However, they had Wheeler and Spierenburg as well as the young guys. They might not have been offensive forces, but were reliable to get you minutes. And 3 freshman over 6-5 doesn't mean anything. Jeff Baccash at 6-9 looked good on the roster, but did that mean anything when the games had to be played.

There are two concerns I have for Catholic. 1- A third scorer. 2- Overall depth.

I guarantee you at least one of those players is better than Jeff Baccash! Sure, sometimes they just don't turn out, but these were quality recruits and its not like just one of them has to carry the load.

QuoteThis league is going to tough this year though--its WIDE open unlike it has been in a while.  York is way, way down, but certainly still a contender, Mary Wash is very strong, Salisbury is strong, Marymount has a bunch of transfers (same old--talent is there...but that isn't generally the issue over there), and of course, there's Catholic, who hasn't had an actual BAD season in ten years.

I like Mary Washington at the beginning of the year. This will be the last year for AJ Fitzgerald and Mike Lee to make things happen, and they are two very explosive players. York's depth will also be down, but McGowan is the CAC's best player. If the guys who were on the bench last year develop into decent role players around him, York winning the conference wouldn't surprise me either. I see those two teams at the top, with Catholic right behind them. I still don't see Catholic having a BAD season, but I don't see them as a force right now.

Yeah, I can agree on MW.  They are probably the favorites going into things, but its really hard to tell.  Everybody has question marks, perhaps what is different is that Catholic does too.  I sure wouldn't overlook Salisbury, either.  I do think that Catholic can compete for the #1 slot and will be right there at the end, though...still are a disciplined group with experience and leadership, and they're going to be well coached.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: unreallawns on October 31, 2006, 08:34:03 PM
Salisbury should be very tough this year.  They will probably have the most talented and experienced backcourt and they have added some size this year as well.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on November 02, 2006, 10:01:35 AM
I have to admit, I am surprised York got any votes in the preseason Top 25. I know it was only 31 votes, but I didn't think they would get any not to mention the most of any CAC team.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on November 02, 2006, 12:55:49 PM
Here's the recap and boxscore of Marymount-George Mason pre-season exhibition game last night.

http://gomason.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/recaps/110106aaa.html

George Mason Patriots led 45-19 by half time on way to 84-48 victory over Marymount Saints.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on November 02, 2006, 09:42:16 PM
Just a little link of interest for one of this board's favorite whipping boys.....

http://www.signonsandiego.com/sports/aztecs/20061101-9999-1s1aztecs.html


By the way, welcome back to all. Let's get the hoops started!!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: muchacho on November 02, 2006, 10:23:49 PM
QuoteJust a little link of interest for one of this board's favorite whipping boys.....

http://www.signonsandiego.com/sports/aztecs/20061101-9999-1s1aztecs.html


By the way, welcome back to all. Let's get the hoops started!!

Wasting your own talent is such an awful thing to do to yourself.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on November 03, 2006, 10:02:02 AM
What a shock.

He's actually very lucky that the reporter out there either didn't do his homework, or chose not to print, Habel's history. 

It is a shame to waste talent.  Habel's to blame, but he's hardly alone.  There have been far too many enablers along the way that made him who he is.  Its a shame that an institution in this conference was one of them.

Well, on a cheerier note, Catholic heads up to Baltimore tonight to play D1 Loyola.  Loyola's coming off a much improved (winning) season and should provide great competition for the Cardinals.  The Greyhounds are coached by CUA alum Jimmy Patsos, who was an assistant to Gary Williams at Maryland before taking the Loyola job.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on November 04, 2006, 01:49:04 AM
Catholic held its own against D1 Loyola in Baltimore, losing 85-67.  Cards kept the deficit under 20 virtually the entire game. 

I liked what I saw from Fumai and Dwyer tonight.  They played like they knew they were the leaders of the team and it was up to them to make something happen.  Fumai had 15, and Dwyer had 22--and in an even better sign, was 10-12 from the FT line.  CUA got some nice minutes from their freshman.  I was particularly impressed wtih guard Brendon Hager, who played some really nice defense, scored 8 points and made some nice passes under pressure.   Loyola ran a trap on Catholic most of the second half which was great practice.  They  handled it well---Catholic was +7 in turnovers.  Got outrebounded -11, but that's just a D3/D1 issue more than anything else. They were aggressive about taking the ball to the basket and shot more foul shots than Loyola.

Loyola's a decent D1 team and they had a hot transfer from Providence that was on fire--scored 29 points. This kid actually played at PC too--averaged 7.1 ppg.  There wasn't much Catholic could do to stop him, and that was pretty much the game.  However, there's really no talent like that in D3...let alone the CAC...so I'm pretty encouraged by what I saw tonight.

I should note that the SID situation at Catholic is so vastly improved that there's already a game story up:
http://www.cuacardinals.com/sports/mbkb/2006-07/news/11306_exhibition
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: muchacho on November 05, 2006, 09:47:18 PM
Matt...the new SID is doing a great job. Its unbelievable that Catholic couldn't find anybody to do a decent job with that for the last 3 or 4 years.

Couldn't make it to Loyola for the exhibition, so thanks for the rundown. From the boxscore, it was interesting to note that Wheeler did not start but came off the bench. That left Catholic with just one post player(Dwyer) in the starting lineup. I take that as a sign that the freshman big guys aren't ready.

I think Fumai and Dwyer are locks as starters. There will probably be a lot of lineup experimenting going on this year with all of the young guys fighting to establish themselves.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on November 05, 2006, 10:00:35 PM
Yeah, I didn't get there for the beginning so I didn't see it.  They did play small for a while, and Loyola was much bigger.  Interestingly, the defense was still pretty decent because they were forcing turnovers.  I think Quinn will probably see the most playing time from the post freshman--he didn't really show up in the box score but he looked pretty good out there. Catholic was -12 in the paint but Loyola barely got over a third of their points there. 

Dwyer was extremely aggressive.  Unusually so.  Lots of drives, etc.  I hope that continues. 

I'm sure they will be playing around with who is getting time.  Its wide open--guys that work hard in practice are going to earn playing time at this point.  I think they realize it and I've heard lots of positive things about how its been going.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 06, 2006, 01:15:08 AM
Quote from: muchacho on November 05, 2006, 09:47:18 PM
Matt...the new SID is doing a great job. Its unbelievable that Catholic couldn't find anybody to do a decent job with that for the last 3 or 4 years.

Perhaps new management brings new priorities.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: muchacho on November 06, 2006, 12:19:53 PM
QuotePerhaps new management brings new priorities.

Is that a swipe at Bob Talbot? I like Mike Allen. Having some new blood in the system definitely helps to get change going. After working at a DI program, I'm sure he has high expectations. Bob Talbot is a life-long Catholic U. guy. Its great to keep people on who are loyal to the program, but it leads to complacency sometimes.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: alum on November 06, 2006, 02:09:21 PM
New management gets new money.  It was not lack of effort that prevented CUA getting the right fit for the SID job;  it was the lack of budget.  It took Mike Allen a year to get it, and it is only because other senior members of the Athletic Dept. staff have departed that $$$$ became available to hire an SID w/updated skills. 

It is ALWAYS about funding, not priorities at Catholic.  Remember, the people who work there have to afford living in the Washington D.C. area:  not Salisbury, not York, PA, not even Stafford County.  If CUA had the $$$, Clark and Favret would still be coaching football there! 

As to Bob Talbot -- please, don't even think about cheap shots on this board.  Without Talbot, Lonergan would never have been around long enough to bring home the National Championship.  Bob Talbot was the McGyver of D3 sports . . . .using a ball of string, 3 rubber bands and a mirror to create an athletic department that makes CUA competitive in lots of sports.  He also got the $$$ that paid for the new multi-purpose field that is new this year. 

I am pretty sure that one of Bob Talbot's biggest fans is Mike Allen.  Without that field, all of CUA's fall teams would have been recruiting good "mudders".
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 07, 2006, 03:47:12 AM
Don't get me wrong, I worked for the old management. The old management admitted me to the school and gave me my first full-time (overtime, really) job after graduation. I'm just pointing out that there's new management and things have changed.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbsquared on November 10, 2006, 09:06:30 AM
Quote from: bbald eagle on October 26, 2006, 02:37:31 PM
Mary Washington's posted a roster with 17 players

http://athletics.umw.edu/mb07roster.htm

6 are freshmen

I noticed last night that the UMW roster is down to 14. Will any of the attrition affect their strength? I'm not even sure who dropped off the roster.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on November 14, 2006, 10:51:32 AM
It shouldn't be a surprised to any of us who watched him coach, but what a performance by former CUA coach Mike Lonergan last night.  His Vermont team crushed #14 Boston College 77-63.  Just a harbinger of things to come in his D1 career.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bballfan52 on November 14, 2006, 10:52:57 AM
What's CUA men going to do this year??
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on November 14, 2006, 01:33:26 PM
Good question.  They're solid.  They lost a lot last year, but they've got 5 seniors who look ready to step it up, led by Dwyer and Fumai.  The question is going to be depth.  At guard they are in good shape, with Olivero, Stolz and Yarborough.  They will need some contributions from the big freshman, but they've got at least two good looking recruits inside.

Its a wide open race this year, I'm confident CUA will be right there at the end.  They are going up to Albright this weekend for a tournament--if they end up facing Albright on Saturday, it will be a good test.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on November 15, 2006, 09:20:45 AM
I can't wait for the tip off of the season. I dropped by YCP practice the other day and as much fun as an intersquad game can be it just isn't the same.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: muchacho on November 16, 2006, 01:32:31 PM
CUA opens up tommorow night at the Albrigh Tournament, but when is everybody else playing their first game? Everybody else getting going this weekend as well?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on November 16, 2006, 07:14:38 PM
York opens up the Grumbacher Sport and Fitness Center on Saturday Night at 7:30 against Villa Julie.  Gotta tell ya though, it feels different after the last two seasons.  Even the gym, granted the new Wolf is better, there is something about that kitchen tile gym that really made it a true home court.  Lots of talent this year but will it all come together?  It will be intresting to see or Brad and Chad react to the different pieces that now surround them.  Most of all, who is going to be the next Kenny Fass.  The toughest and most important part of both NCAA tournament teams.  I guess we will see.  Good Luck to all teams as we embark on a new season.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on November 17, 2006, 09:27:44 AM
UMW opens with a tough test against Messiah at the Dickinson College Pizza Hut Tipoff Tournament tonight at 8.

Unfortunately, the UMW SID will not be there to partake in free Pizza Hut pizzas.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on November 17, 2006, 09:31:06 AM
Definitely some mixed emotions going on this weekend on campus at York. I love the new building, and when it is packed and the place is jumpin it's going to be a great home to play in. But, I too will miss the kitchen. I watched 12 seasons of Spartan basketball there and saw some great players and awesome teams.

As for this year's edition of the Sparts, I think there is a lot to look forward to. The answer to who this year's Kenny Fass is may very well be Nate Lankford. I think Chad can only get better, which should be very scary for opponents. And really good things can happen when you have a group of guys who a lot of people want to write off. We lost a hell of a lot from last year, but this group could be really special too. Just 34 hours till the men tip off and 8 ½ till the Women open the place up!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on November 17, 2006, 10:17:46 AM
For anyone interested in Catholic, there are a ridiculous number of games notes for the tourney games on the CUA website:

http://www.cuacardinals.com/sports/mbkb/2006-07/game_notes/2006-07_MBB_Game_Notes-_Game_1-2.pdf

Guess the new SID went all out! (I wonder when Catholic beat Maryland to tip off the season?)

Among the fascinating things I learned is that Catholic is the 6th most winningest D3 basketball program this decade (167-41, .803). 

I know we keep saying it, but its great to see all this promotional work being done for the program.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on November 17, 2006, 01:11:38 PM
Announcing new Sports Information Director for Bison Athletics

Oscar Ocuto joins Bison Athletics after three years as a program specialist in Gallaudet's Office of Judicial Affairs. Prior to that, he worked for Judicial Affairs as a graduate assistant, and contributed a breadth of articles to various publications such as The Buff and Blue, On the Green, D.C.A.D. Newsletter, ResLife.net, C.I.S.S. Sports Media Team, and DeafDC.com.

The St. Augustine, FL native received his bachelor's degree in secondary education and English from Gallaudet and a master's of education in deaf education, also from Gallaudet. Over the course of his college years, Oscar played varsity football, intramural sports, and contributed to various aspects of student development.

Mr. Ocuto handles all media relations and publications for Gallaudet athletics that will cover 12 sports.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on November 17, 2006, 07:01:45 PM
Halftime at Dickinson
UMW 32, Messiah 29

Mike Lee played just 11 minutes in the first half with two fouls. Jon Pierce had ten straight points early in the game, UMW has led by as many as nine and as few as 3.

Note: the game time was changed from 8 pm...
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on November 17, 2006, 08:43:06 PM
UMW Men's Basketball Tops Messiah in Season Opener, 83-76


CARLISLE, PA - Senior guard Mike Lee and junior forward Jon Pierce each scored 23 points in leading the University of Mary Washington men's basketball team to an 83-76 win over Messiah College on Friday at the Dickinson College Pizza Hut Tipoff Tournament. Senior guard A.J. Fitzgerald and sophomore forward Kiernan Whitworth each scored 14 for UMW.
The Eagles opened up an early 11-2 lead, thanks to ten straight points from Pierce. UMW kept the lead throughout the first half, and led 32-29 at halftime.
Messiah opened the second half with a three-pointer to knot the score, and led by as many as four, and led, 55-52, with 11:05 on a three pointer by Jonathan Byrd. But Lee hit three straight three pointers and Whitworth added a three-point play, giving UMW a 12-0 run and a 64-55 lead.
A three pointer by Fitzgerald ran the lead to eleven with 2:54 left, and the teams traded baskets in the final minutes, with UMW ending with a seven-point win.
The Eagles will face either Dickinson College or Pitt-Greensburg on Saturday in the tournament title game at 3:30 pm.
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Post by: Matt Letourneau on November 17, 2006, 09:34:00 PM
Catholic beats Neumann 85-73...

According to the CUA News Release (imagine! a game story posted up already! Yes!) Catholic totally dominated inside--46 points in the paint, and some monster numbers--THREE players with double doubles.  Wow:

Pat Dwyer 23 points, 13 Rebounds
Stephen Wheeler, 19 points, 12 Rebounds
Scott Fumai 21 points, 14 Rebounds.

Cardinals play winner of Albright/Adrian at 8:00 pm tomorrow night.


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Post by: Pat Coleman on November 18, 2006, 01:31:40 AM
Quote from: mwcsid on November 17, 2006, 08:43:06 PM
UMW Men's Basketball Tops Messiah in Season Opener, 83-76


Your login to post on the actual scoreboard is the same as in years past.
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Post by: bisonpride on November 18, 2006, 01:42:54 AM
2006-07 Hampton Inn Coaches vs. Cancer Classic at Mt. Aloysius College

Gallaudet Bison lost the season opener to the host and defend tournament champions, Mt. Aloysius College in a good and tight game, 86-83.

Tomorrow, the Bison (0-1) will take on Waynesburg College at 2pm. Waynesburg lost to Salisbury earlier tonight, 95-81. Gallaudet will try to avenge last year's season opener 95-89 lost to Waynesburg for their first win of the 2006-2007 season. While Mt. Aloysius will try to defend and repeat the tournament title against the Salisbury Seagulls at 4pm.
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Post by: mwcsid on November 18, 2006, 09:54:01 AM
Pat
Thanks... I thought we had to subscribe to something. Leave it to the nonfootball guy to foul up the first day.
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Post by: mwcsid on November 18, 2006, 06:29:29 PM
UMW Men's Basketball Edges Dickinson for Pizza Hut Tipoff Tourney Title, 61-60


CARLISLE, PA - Senior guard A.J. Fitzgerald canned a three-pointer with two seconds remaining to propel the University of Mary Washington men's basketball team to a 61-60 win over host Dickinson College in the championship of the Pizza Hut Tipoff Tournament on Saturday in Carlisle, PA. The Eagles improve to 2-0 on the season.
The Eagles trailed throughout the game, but used oustanding perimeter shooting by Fitzgerald down the stretch to climb back into the game. Tournament Most Valuable Player Justin Baker had a team-high 17 points, Fitzgerald added 14, and senior guard Mike Lee added ten points for UMW. Sophomore forward Kiernan Whitworth and junior all-tournament selection Jon Pierce each had seven for the Eagles.
UMW shot 45.3% from the floor, including 10-26 on three-point attempts. Dickinson was able to fend off the Eagles for much of the game by shooting 14-14 from the free throw line. Kizmahr Grell led Dickinson with 23 points.
Mary Washington will visit North Carolina Wesleyan College on Tuesday evening at 5 pm.


Pat login didnt work.
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Post by: unreallawns on November 18, 2006, 11:32:01 PM
Salisbury won the Coaches v.s. Cancer Tourney at Mt. Aloysius by beating the home team by 21.  Ray WIlliams led the Seagulls with 25 while Ozi Menakaya had 18 points, 13 boards, and 3 blocks.  Menakaya was the MVP of the tourney.  In the first game against Waynesburg he had 17 points and 13 boards.  Congrats to the Seagulls!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on November 19, 2006, 02:02:31 AM
Catholic made a major statement tonight by winning the Albright Tournament pretty much against all odds.

Like Messiah, who Mary Wash beat, Albright is a very solid team at the top of the MAC.  They won the ECAC Tournament last year and have a lot of depth in every spot.  To make matters worse, Catholic was without Steve Papageorge, who is likely going to be the 3rd leading scorer.  There was a good, solid, loud crowd in Reading to support Albright.

The Cardinals were ice cold to start this game and shot 24%.   They got it to down by 3 by halftime, but came out pretty flat, and Albright had a steady lead, eventually building it to 53-42 with 8:30 left.  Down 11 on the road to a quality team--talk about a gut check.

Well, they responded.  The freshman saw major minutes in this game, and Kurt Rheinhold hit a jump shot and a layup during the CUA spurt.  Scott Fumai--who could not have been colder most of this game--drained 2 3's like the clutch senior he is.  This was CUA basketball of old down the stretch--total team basketball, and flat out out hustling their opponents.  Albright didn't know what hit them--diving for loose balls, going right around people for rebounds, blocked shots, steals, the whole nine yards.  Mike Waslinenko was super clutch when they needed him, and from Catholic ended up closing the deal to wn 67-62.

The numbers weren't pretty---CUA got outscored in the paint 38-16 (!), shot 31%, commited more turnovers, etc.  But Fumai finished with 21, and they just gutted this out.  The team was as fired up as I've seen them and played with a ton of emotion. I didn't know what to expect with so many freshman mixed with a group of seniors, but its working perfectly.  Coaching was perfect for the situation, and that team really came together.  The freshman class is very strong and hung with Albright's seniors in key spots (for instance, with 3 Albright players under the boards, including their main monster who was killing us, Danny Quinn just muscled his way in for a put back).

This is going to be a very, very interesting team to watch.  They've got Haverford on Tuesday, but then another tough test at Scranton next weekend.

Impressive showings by Mary Wash and CUA to put down quality MAC teams this weekend.  Should help the conference quite a bit.
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Post by: muchacho on November 19, 2006, 08:21:43 AM
Thats an impressive weekend for the CAC with 3 teams winning tournaments. Looks like York lost a close one to Villa Julie, although the Mustangs aren't the pushovers they used to be. Box score shows that the Spartans had a difficult time shooting from deep and from the line.

Matt...do you have any knowledge regarding why Papageorge was out?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on November 19, 2006, 09:04:22 AM
York dropped a tough one last night to Villa Julie, 71-69. There's something about this team and two point losses. At the start it looked almost like they were trying to do a little too much to impress the massive crowd that showed up to open the new building. The fans were amazing as they cheered themselves horse by the end of the night.

Chad McGowan led York with 22 and 11 and Pat Kelly (16) Nick Brady (11) and Brad Zerfing (10) all were in double figures. Another new Spartan, Nate Lankford, Had 7 points and 8 boards despite picking up 5 fouls. The York lead was as much as 10, but the shots just weren't falling last night. Both teams shot under 40%, but York only managed 2-11 from 3 and 19-30 from the free throw line. A big piece of the puzzle was missing in the person of Nate Frye who was unable to suit up due to injury, so that bodes well for future outings.
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Post by: Salem, VA on November 19, 2006, 06:23:58 PM
Tough one for the York faithful.  there last 6 losses by 2 points, kind of tells you something.  A few good things came out of the game tonight. 1. Pat Kelly, he was the question mark coming in and showed that he will be a big part of the Spartan rotation. 2. the crowd, absolutely the best crowd i have ever been a part of for York College. 3. Promise, this team seemed a little out of sync with cohesiveness.  Give it time I think they will be good and will be tough all year.  Overall, it was just the worst weekend in the history of York College.  Men's Soccer and basketball a combined 0-4 leaving the York Faithful wondering what if.   

Kitchen Rat- what did you think of the crowd?  Its seems its going to be tough to play there all year.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mapper on November 20, 2006, 01:38:39 PM
Yorks new gym seems like a great place to play, I'm sure the players knees were not hurting as much as they are used to after playing a game a York.  Boy that old kitchen floor could put a hurting on ya!!
Good game by both teams.  Both shot poorly from the feild, but I'm sure opening night jitters in front of a packed crowd may have had something to do with that.  I really thought VJC could have pulled away early (they were up by 6 or 7 before York came back to take a 6 point halftime lead) but VJC's point guard, Chris Warren, got into some foul trouble.  Seemed like everytime he came back in he hit a big three and picked up a foul.  HE CAN FLAT OUT SHOOT THE BALL!!!!!
York shot a lot of free throws, especially in the first half (BRICKS), but they couldn't connect.  VJC hung in there late and made a great run on the road and came away with a sweet victory.   Good job VJC and good luck defending your title this week in the D3 Maryland tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on November 21, 2006, 09:17:35 AM
I thought the crowd was outstanding. Even though they were loud and hyped all game, there were few, if any instances of "regrettable behavior." There were a few chants of A**hole when the refs made close calls, and at one point the students along the south baseline chanted "Sit down Skippy" when VJC coach Brett Adams was barking at the refs about a call. Brett was the guy who accepted me to York, and I think he is a really great coach, but he does look a bit like Skippy from "Family Ties," even though most of our students were 2 or 3 when that show went off the air.

I think that gym will be a bit intimidating to teams who play in it, even our team, if the crowds keep coming out like that. We'll see on Sunday if the students come back in force.

PS I'm just happy basketball isn't decided by PKs like soccer. That just sucked!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on November 21, 2006, 11:51:42 AM
2nd day of the 2006-2007 Hampton Inn Coaches vs Cancer Classic at Mt. Aloysius College.

Waynesburg (0-1) - 91
Gallaudet Bison - 89 (OT)

Gallaudet were down by 8 at halftime before surged back into the game and forced the game to extend into overtime. At end of overtime, Gallaudet scored in the paint with 6 seconds remaining on the clock to tied it up 89 apiece. Waynesburg going full court length and got game-winning shot with 2 seconds remaining in thrill overtime game. Sophomore point guard Jon Mowl played 44 out of game total 45 minutes. He got 10 points and 9 assists. Junior Sekoe White had 20 points and 11 rebounds to earn him All-Tournament Team.

Salisbury beat Mt. Aloysius for the Coaches vs Cancer title. Mt. Aloysius wasn't prepare for Salisbury at all at begin of the game. All of us got to watch out for Ray Williams and the Seagulls since they could make a big run this season. They are better team than last year's cinderella run into CAC final before bowed to Catholic Cardinals.

Gallaudet (0-2) will play home opener tonight at Field House against Maryland Bible (4-2). Maryland Bible actually led for most of 1st half and begin of 2nd half against Goucher before the Gophers came back and pull it away before the final buzzer.
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Post by: Matt Letourneau on November 21, 2006, 12:12:03 PM
Yeah, Salisbury is going to be good.

Catholic, Mary Washington and Salisbury are all off to impressive starts--CUA and UMW have already beaten good teams. 

I can't figure out Marymount losing to Lesley--that shouldn't happen.  And while I know that VJC is a good team, I'm still surprised York couldn't channel all that energy into a W.  It might take them a while to develop an identity.

We knew Gallaudet was going to be down--a LOT--and they are.  Goucher couldn't really be any worse, but they should be make up to respectability.   SMC I'm not really sure about--there's no reason to think they've gotten a lot better or worse.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on November 21, 2006, 08:01:14 PM
UMW Men's Basketball Tops NC Wesleyan, 85-79


ROCKY MOUNT, NC - Junior forward Jon Pierce scored 20 points to lead five players in double figures, as the University of Mary Washington men's basketball team defeated North Carolina Wesleyan College, 85-79, on Tuesday at NC Wesleyan. The Eagles improve to 3-0 on the season.
The Eagles jumped out to a fast start, leading 46-32 at halftime, but NC Wesleyan stormed back to take the lead with eleven minutes remaining. Despite the loss of sophomore forward Kiernan Whitworth, who fouled out with 11 minutes remaining, the Eagles regained the lead and held on for the six point win.
Pierce had six rebounds, four assists, and two steals in addition to his 20 points, and sophomore guard Matt Hale added 17 points and four assists off the bench. Senior guard Mike Lee scored 14, Justin Baker added 13 points and eight rebounds, and senior guard A.J. Fitzgerald scored 10 points and had eight rebounds and four assists.
The Eagles shot 46.2% from the floor, including 42.6% on three point baskets (18-39). The Eagles will return to action next Wednesday, when they visit Marymount University in the Capital Athletic Conference opener at 8 p.m.

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Post by: ycp on November 21, 2006, 08:30:39 PM
With two minutes left in Gettysburg,
York 54-Gettysburg 36
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on November 21, 2006, 08:35:14 PM
Final from Gettysburg..
York 58-Gettysburg 42

More details when I get the box
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Post by: Matt Letourneau on November 21, 2006, 09:56:29 PM
Catholic beats Haverford 61-55 to improve to 3-0.

Certainly not the game CUA wanted to play tonight--cold shooting (37%), neither Dwyer nor Fumai really on top of their game.  However, Scott still had 19 and Pat had 17.   CUA was hot from 3, led by freshman sharpshooter Jeff Sparrow (8 points).

Once again, CUA was without Steve Papageorge, which is obviously impacting them.  However, I can't say enough about how Mike Wasilenko has played.  He's really stepped up to be the Cards third scoring option during Papageorge's absence..he had 11 tonight.


CUA's had 3 road games, so I'm sure they are looking forward to taking the court at DuFour for the first time this season next week against St. Mary's.

For all the talk about home court advantages, Catholic was 14-1 at home last year, and since the DuFour Center opened in 1985 is .764 in their building--and that includes some lean years in the late 80s.  In the Lonergan/Howes era, Catholic has been extremely tough to beat at home.
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Post by: smcmsid on November 21, 2006, 10:52:45 PM
Johns Hopkins 78, St. Mary's (Md.) 60
Provident Pride of Maryland Tournament

Senior center Matt Griffin led the Blue Jays with a game-high 22 points on 5-of-8 shooting from the field and 12-13 from the foul line. Senior guard T.J. Valerio added 19 points, with three three-pointers, while senior forward Danny Nawrocki contributed with eight points and a game-high 12 rebounds.

The Seahawks were led by senior swingman Valdez Preston with 19 points and nine rebounds. Junior guard Tyson Lesesne added 18 points and four steals while sophomore forward/center Alex Irmer was also in double figures with ten points.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on November 22, 2006, 09:36:25 AM
One big bright spot from the game against Gettysburg (other than the win of course) was that the Sparts shot over 40% from behind the arch. Once this group starts finding their shot, they will be a very good team, but it gets no easier with Albright coming into Grumbacher on Sunday. I hope everyone has a good holiday.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: unreallawns on November 23, 2006, 01:56:58 PM
Salisbury beat VJC in overtime behind Ray Williams 39 points.  They play McDaniel on Saturday.  Does anyone know anything about McDaniel?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ronk on November 23, 2006, 09:36:55 PM
       Saturday's CU-Scranton doubleheader on the web at
//playlist.wusr.scranton.edu/index.php
women at 2, men at 4.
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Post by: bisonpride on November 24, 2006, 11:45:11 PM
Maryland Bible win in overtime thrill home opener game for the Bison, 78-74.

Gallaudet Bison play it's home opener against Maryland Bible College, it started off from several lead changes from beginning to end of the game. Jon Mowl led the way with 21 points and 6 assists, Jonathan Valencia put up 18 points, while sharpshooter Sekoe White garnered 15. Maryland Bible's frontcourt trio stood into nice sizes of 6'4, 6'5 and 6'5 gave smaller Bison some tough time inside the paint, but over the course of the night, turnovers and crucial missed free throws wrote the story for the Bison.  The speedy Mowl pushed the game into overtime on another buzzer-beater, following strong trey performances from Sekoe White and Jonathan Valencia.  Their hard-fought efforts have not yet produced a win, although with each passing game, victory draws nearer. 

Over three games this year, the opponents have outscored the Bison only by 9 points (255-246) and the offense is producing an 82 points-per-game average.

Next up for the Bison hoopsters is that they are hosting the annual Gallaudet Holiday Tournament. We would like to recognized that the tournament is sponsored by Ruth's Chris Steakhouse. The ball goes up at 6:00 p.m. on Friday November 24 against the Southern Vermont Mountaineers, with the North Carolina Wesleyan-John Jay College game to following up at 8 p.m.
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Post by: bisonpride on November 25, 2006, 12:07:07 AM
Hope everybody's Thanksgiving went well.

Here's the result of tonight's annual Gallaudet Holiday Men's Basketball Tournament. Again, the entire tournament is proudly sponsored by the Ruth's Chris Steakhouse.

6pm game - Southern Vermont beat Gallaudet, 75-73.
8pm game - North Carolina Wesleyan beat John Jay, 92-73.

For more information, the tournament program can be viewed in PDF file on.. http://athletics.gallaudet.edu/GHIT%20Program%20FINAL.pdf

Otherwise, Gallaudet had lost all 4 games in total of 11 points (2.75 ppg) margin this season so far. While half of those total games went into overtime. It's TOUGH lucks for the Bison early in the season. Hope the lucks would turn into their side as the season going by.

Here's time for tomorrow's games.. The consolation game between Gallaudet and John Jay at 1pm, while the championship game will be play at 3pm between North Carolina Wesleyan and Southern Vermont.
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Post by: cuabigdog on November 25, 2006, 05:47:42 PM
FINAL SCORE  from Scranton PA

CATHOLIC     71       [4-0]

SCRANTON     61      [1-1]



GO CARDS !!!!!
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Post by: Matt Letourneau on November 25, 2006, 05:49:32 PM
Man, you JUST beat me to it.

Sounds like they wer led by Fumai's 20, and the return of Stephen Papageorge, who was also in double figures, along with freshman Jeff Sparrow, who has been extremely impressive.

Not a great afternoon for Pat Dwyer, who fouled out with 8.

ANOTHER impressive win on the road for Catholic.  They're off to a great start, and I think the Cardinal faithful that haven't seen them in person yet will be very, very impressed with what they see.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on November 25, 2006, 09:33:10 PM
The 2006 Gallaudet Holiday Basketball Tournament result..

Consolation Game: Gallaudet beat John Jay 77-52.
Championship Game: North Carolina Wesleyan beat Southern Vermont 81-75.

2006 Gallaudet Holiday Tournament MVP: Lenny Hall of NC Wesleyan
All-Tournament team: Dustin Yeates of John Jay, Chris Matte of Southern Vermont, Adam Coleman of NC Wesleyan and Jon Mowl of Gallaudet.

Special thanks to Ruth's Chris Steak House for sponsoring the whole tournament as it went VERY successful. Up next for Gallaudet Bison is away conference game in Frederick, MD on wednesday evening against the Blazers of Hood College. Last year's meeting between those two teams at Hood's turf in Thomas Johnson High School Gymnasium, the Bison won in close and tight battle with Matthew Eby's game-winning buzzer three-pointer from the midcourt.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on November 26, 2006, 09:54:36 PM
Final from York,

Spartans 72-Albright 70

Chad McGowan led all scorers as the junior poured in 28 points while he recorded his second double-double with 10 rebounds. He also had three steals and a blocked shot in 30 minutes of action. McGowan was 10-of-22 from the floor including 2-of-2 from distance. Nate Lankford was the second Spartan in double figures with 10 points while he also had four assists, four rebounds, and a steal. Freshman Nick Brady added nine points, six rebounds, three assists, and a steal.

Game box
http://www.ycp.edu/sports/mens_basketball/2006/YCPMBB03.HTM
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on November 26, 2006, 10:34:42 PM
One of these days YCP's gonna get in a real shooting stride and they are going to put up a lot of points
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: unreallawns on November 27, 2006, 06:21:28 PM
Salisbury lost a tough game to Johns Hopkins last night at Goucher 71-60.  SU went through a 4 minute stretch in the begining of the 2nd hal where they couldn't buy a bucket.  They got down by 14 during that stretch and could only cut it to 5 before they ended up losing by 11.  Johns Hopkins is a well coached team and they are fundamentally sound.  Bad refing both ways.  Salisbury goes down to Virginia Weslyan Wed to try and knock off the #1 team.  Salisbury always plays them tough and if I'm not mistaken, SU has won 3 of the last 6. 
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Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 27, 2006, 06:55:00 PM
You know what... I spent my ENTIRE weekend at the tournament at Goucher... and while I saw bad calls in every game (there will never be a perfect game) and I certainly heard the fans complain... the refs weren't that bad. In the championship game, Salisbury was forcing the refs into most of those calls by simply getting aggressive and were hand checking and pushing very obviously.

I will certainly post more when I get a bit more time... but Salisbury played better than I expected at times... and worse than expected. Salisbury has got to learn to play as a team for an entire game... and that includes Ray Williams who shows signs of brillance... and others when he needs to learn to stop playing one-on-one.
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Post by: unreallawns on November 27, 2006, 08:50:17 PM
Towards the end of the game when Salisbury was down and they were trying to turn up the pressure, they were definitly hand checking.  JHU was hand checking as well and not getting called for it.  #45 and #55 for JHU were camping out in the lane all game and I think they might have gotten called for it twice.  Only after SU's coaching staff repeatedly called it out to the refs.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on November 28, 2006, 12:45:10 AM
Hey, first post about reffing of the year, followed by a defense of the refs, and I wasn't even involved!! (Yippee).....

For the record, by the way, if the CAC officials were half as good as the officials that called the Albright Tourney, I wouldn't need to do much complaining, with the exception of non-calls on 3 second violations, which seems to be a systematically ignored rule.  Really solid crew up there in PA.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on November 28, 2006, 11:04:11 AM
Welp, i boy am glad to be back amongst CAC action. Should be a good one in Arlington as we see the Fitzgerald/Lee/Pierce/Baker quadruple threat face off against MMT. Looking like a solid year, but as always in the CAC the toughest team always wins, mntally and physically. So it'll be interesting to see how this team responds.

Good luck to all other teams, I cant wait to see/experience all the bad reffing and fan action stories, too.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on November 28, 2006, 11:16:47 AM
Here's the link to the Fox 5 "Let Tony Try It" segment at UMW.


http://www.myfoxdc.com/myfox/pages/InsideFox/Detail?contentId=1277381&version=2&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=VSTY&pageId=5.2.1
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on November 28, 2006, 03:13:43 PM
uhh, compelling...

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Post by: mwgoonie on November 29, 2006, 08:25:27 AM
gotta be better than CUA's appearance on HBO a few years back.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on November 29, 2006, 10:16:03 AM
Ha. You got me there! (Though that was very unfair...)

The lameness of that piece wasn't MW's fault---it was all on Tony. 

Tonight's games:
York at Goucher
Gallaudet at Hood
Mary Washington at Marymount
St. Mary's at Catholic
Salisbury at Virginia Wesleyan


Well, first of all, Salisbury's probably going to get killed.  Good experience from them going down to play the #1 team in the country.   Unfortunately for them, though, VWU just lost--so they're going to want to take it out on somebody. 

Most interesting game is the MW-Marymount game.  You have to favor Mary Washington, but its a good indicator of how seriously Marymount will compete--they had a really, really bad loss to start with, then beat two bad teams.  This will be their first game against a good team.

Hood has look pretty strong, and should beat Gallaudet.  York might be down some from last year, and Goucher might be up a little--but not THAT much.   I'll be at the Catholic game--they've played very well and are gelling nicely.  They've played 4 games away from home so far, and beaten two good teams, but it will still be the first home game for the freshman.  I think Dwyer will have a good night.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on November 29, 2006, 11:07:11 AM
yeah, Tony was at Best Buy today and didnt know how to lift the rear door of a shipping trailor. i think the next time Tony should try the gym...rim shot, please....
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on November 29, 2006, 11:17:03 AM
Here's nice basketball-related article from Washington Post newspapers, "Coaching Is a Birthright For Thompson Brothers"

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/11/25/AR2006112500585.html

By the way, John III's Georgetown beat Ronny's Ball State, 69-54 at Verizon Center last monday.

Virginia Wesleyan-Salisbury and Mary Washingtin-Marymount got to be interesting games of the night.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: unreallawns on November 29, 2006, 06:27:09 PM
Salisbury has a tough one tonight at VWU.  With both teams coming off of losses, this should be a very competitive game.  I don't think SU will get blown out.  They have a good shot at winning the game if they don't hit a long stretch without scoring like they did against JHU.  Good luck SU.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on November 29, 2006, 09:40:01 PM
From Frederick...

Gallaudet Bison - 64
@ Hood Blazers - 77

Halftime: Gallaudet led 37-32

The game was playing at famed Thomas Johnson High School Gym. More details later..

Any other scores around the conference??
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 29, 2006, 10:10:55 PM
York defeats Goucher at the SRC 69-55.

Goucher made several runs in the second half - cutting the lead to about 7... but York was able to withstand each run and put it back to double-digits rather easily.

One significant note... Goucher's James Russo broke the Goucher career record for three-pointers made. He hit three tonight to give him 192 for his career... that breaks Chad Beatens record of 191.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ex_mu14 on November 29, 2006, 10:26:20 PM
Mary Washington defeats Marymount by 10 tonight.  When did Mary Washington get a new coach?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbsquared on November 29, 2006, 10:35:34 PM
No new coach for Mary Wash. Coach was just serving a 1 game "hiatus" .
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: njlincolnlion on November 29, 2006, 11:47:39 PM
Salisbury lost to VA Wesleyan 73-64, and was a good game, that was closer than the score indicated. 

The Gulls take on York to begin conference play.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on November 30, 2006, 12:28:38 AM
Catholic defeated St. Mary's 67-62.  It was, shall we say, an interesting contest.  The first half was not too pretty.  Both teams played poorly.  SMC played mostly zone which Catholic was having trouble with.  They had a ton of open looks, particulary from 3, and shot 4-18 from outside the arc in the first half.

Second half was much, much better--6-13 from outside.  Scott Fumai led Catholic with 24 points, and Pat Dwyer had another double double.  Fumai played another great game, but Steven Papageorge was the hero tonight.  Catholic trailed until about 4-5 minutes left, and the game ended up 62-62 with 11.4 seconds left.  On the inbounds play, Catholic caught SMC napping by passing it from midcourt all the way in to Papageorge in the corner, who drained an open 3. 

For all of that, the unsung hero tonight for the Cardinals was Sean Stolzenthaler, who played outstanding defense on Tyson Lesense.  Sean only lost him twice the whole time he was out there, and ended up holding him to 15 points on 6-14 shooting--and most of that was not on Sean.

SMC is much better than they were last year.  The big difference is Alex Irmer, a transfer from Randolph Macon.  I was pretty taken aback by this statement by the SMC Coach that appeared in their local paper down there:

Irmer, a 6-8 center who transferred from Randolph-Macon, will help give St. Mary's the size it's been lacking. Despite not having played a regular season game yet, Seahawks second-year head coach Chris Harney thinks Irmer will be the best player in the league, if not all of Division III.

''He tries to take the backboard down every time he dunks the ball," Harney said. ''He is intimidating, to say the least. He's an intimidating presence on offense as well as defense and he brings a much-needed presence to the paint for our team."

That's kind of ridiculous.  Right now, he's neither the best player in the league (Fumai and McGowan are battling that out) or D3.  But he is a very good player.  He's got to learn how to defend without fouling--he picked up a bunch of early fouls.  And he monumentally blew a dunk (he did try to take down the backboard, he just didn't have the ball).  But he's got great size, a nice mid range jump shoot, a smooth foul shot, and even the one attempt from 3 he took, which he missed, was a good look and a nice shot that went in and out.  Very impressive and makes SMC a LOT better.   I would also be remiss if I didn't note Mike Smelkinson, a D2 transfer.  He's 5'5! But very quick, hustles, and can shoot the 3.

Well, hey, for Catholic, a win's a win.  Not the way they wanted to play, but at the same time, they once again showed a lot of poise, didn't get discouraged, fought hard and pulled it out in the end.  Next up is Goucher, at DuFour.

So Wood had an involunatry suspension?  ;D

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on November 30, 2006, 08:25:39 AM
Great game last night. Rather than break down the entire game and pour on praises for UMW (MWC), I will stay the best aspect of the team is their mental toughness. The main guys for the team have been here a while and are lead by Lee and Fitzgerald. in the past 4 games, they haven't made mistakes and their team first mentality show (all starters average between 10-14 ppg). Heck, they didn't even have Wood on the side last night and they didnt show any mental breakdowns.  So its a different story with a guy like Mike Lee, who as a FR, we thought would become a one man team and put up 25-28 ppg.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on November 30, 2006, 09:01:36 AM
I didn't get the chance to drive down to Towson last night, so I had to settle for the radio broadcast of the game. As the shooting percentage rises and the guys get used to playing with one another the team looks better. They shot 50% for the game last night and were paced by Brad Zerfing who put up 17 on 7-12 shooting. For of the five he missed were from three, and he took the ball to the hoop once he had established to the Gopher D that he would shoot from out there.

McGowan was blanketed all night so he had to settle for a double – double at 12 points 13 rebounds, but if that is how teams are going to play him he may start to see his assist totals jump.

Pat Kelly continues to play very well as he tallied 12 more points on 5-7 shooting and added 5 boards. Nate Lankford put together another good all around game, 10-6-4, and as he gets into the flow with these guys he could be the Kenny Fass on the floor for this team.

I am also very impressed with Nick Brady who was a scoring machine in high school. He put in 9 points in 19 minuets last night and picked up 4 boards – two of them on the offensive glass.

Saturday's game is huge for York, since Salisbury has become a real thorn in our side in the past few games. I'm sure the guys who got time last year would love to avenge the two 2 point losses a season ago.   
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on November 30, 2006, 09:31:37 AM
Quote from: mwgoonie on November 30, 2006, 08:25:39 AM
Heck, they didn't even have Wood on the side last night and they didnt show any mental breakdowns. 

Hmm ...
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on November 30, 2006, 10:35:03 AM
Well, they always play better when they've got Wood. When they have Wood, they really take it to the opposing team. They play hard even against stiff competition, or even when things get a little hairy or when they get themselves into a tight slippery situation, Wood has always been there to staighten them up. Or as we say, "we really put the Wood to 'em"

Not a sermon, just a thought.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on November 30, 2006, 11:00:47 AM
See, I would think its the opposite.  When they don't have Wood, they have nothing else but the game to worry about.   No distractions.  I mean, they still have to put the ball in the hole, but they don't have to worry about Wood. Which is key because Wood tends to get all hot and sweaty and...

(We could really have a field day with this)...
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on November 30, 2006, 11:10:55 AM
Well, we didnt even mention Coach Woo's first name, Roderick, aka Rod....
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on November 30, 2006, 11:58:50 AM
Quote from: mwgoonie on November 30, 2006, 10:35:03 AM
Well, they always play better when they've got Wood. When they have Wood, they really take it to the opposing team.

Luckily they don't wear those old 70's shorts. Or it could be a real problem.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ex_mu14 on November 30, 2006, 01:21:29 PM
UMW looked good last night but MU sure made it easy for them by shooting 27 three pointers and only going to the free throw line six times. UMW has a nice left handed guard who made some big shots when MU made a late run. I was surprised that MU had only four team fouls with three minutes left in the game and they did not foul to send UMW to the line.

MU has at least twenty players on the team and I never seen anything like that.  They're also playing with their best player, Corey Diamond.

FYI there are no thugs on this years team and they probably could use one or two.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ex_mu14 on November 30, 2006, 01:28:43 PM
i meant without Corey Diamond.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on November 30, 2006, 01:30:22 PM
Why are they without Corey Diamond? Is he hurt?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ex_mu14 on November 30, 2006, 02:15:01 PM
he got hurt one minute in their first game.  I dont think he has played one complete year at Mu without getting hurt.

Big match up Wednesday against CU at the verizon. Will CU and MU play each other once they leave the CAC? I miss getting up for CU games!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on December 01, 2006, 12:58:07 PM
Hood win it's first CAC game in school history..

Gallaudet Bison - 64
@ Hood Blazers - 77
Half: Gallaudet led 37-32


Frederick -- The Bison traveled to nearby Frederick (MD) to take on the Hood College Blazers in the Capital Athletic Conference season opener.  Junior forward Sekoe White carried the Bison with 19 points and 7 rebounds with two steals over 34 minutes of play. Jon Mowl chipped in with 17 marks of his own and a pair of treys from downtown along with a team-leading four steals. Coming into the game off the bench, Johnny Jackson racked up 11 rebounds to lead the Bison. After halftime, Hood went on 17-0 run to opening the second half from 37-32 deflict to go-ahead lead 54-32. The Bison did bring the game back closer to 5 points in mid of second half but fall back once again before the game end. Bison D fall apart in second half and play very soft compare to stingy and tough D in first half, it which helped Hood to shoot for over 70% of FG at second half alone. 

The Bison (1-5, 0-1) visit York College (PA) on Wednesday December 6.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: zonescantstopme on December 01, 2006, 06:59:57 PM
is there a better player right now in the CAC then Ray Williams of Salisbury?  He's having a great Sr season he's my pic for player of the year
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 02, 2006, 10:54:59 AM
I think there's going to be a heck of a race between Williams, McGowan and Fumai.  I haven't seen Jesse Gutekunst play yet, but he could be in the mix.  Pat Dwyer could be too.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on December 02, 2006, 01:04:49 PM
Justin Baker.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 02, 2006, 01:46:10 PM
Yeah, well based on last year you would think so, but 14.5 ppg/ 7 rpg thus far wouldn't get it done.  (For comparison, Fumai's at 21.0/6.8)

The season is young though.   Add him in the mix.  He could be a victim of how well balanced UMW is.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on December 02, 2006, 02:42:49 PM
Good problem to have...


Halftime at Goolrick,
UMW 35, Hood 30.

UMW led by 10+ most of the half, but Hood is resilient.
Pierce 10, Whitworth 9, Le and Hale 5 each
Robine has 10 for hood.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on December 02, 2006, 04:20:56 PM
Final -
UMW 76, Hood 60

Eagles break school record with 18 three pointers, and 44 attempts.

Whitworth - 16 pts, 8 rebs, 4 assts, 3 steals
Pierce 16 pts
Fitzgerald - 12 pts, 5 assts
Mike Lee - 8 pts, 8 rebounds, 6 assists
Baker 8 pts, 7 rebs
Hale - 11 pts
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbsquared on December 02, 2006, 04:32:21 PM
12 two point attempts and 44 three pointers? As long as the team is hot, they will be tough to handle this year. But Kentocky has seen what happens when the shots don't fall from 3 point land.

Congrats to the Eagles on a fast start!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on December 02, 2006, 04:59:24 PM
Halftime from DuFour Center..

Goucher - 27
Catholic - 37

Note: CUA's PG #22 Stoltz' hit the buzzer beater three pointer right behind the halfcourt and Goucher's free throw line. Cards had 8-0 run in last 2 minutes of the first half to extend the lead from 2 to 10 points.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on December 02, 2006, 04:59:59 PM
update from Salisbury

York 38-Salisbury 30 with just under three minutes left in the first
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on December 02, 2006, 05:06:05 PM
Halftime from Salisbury...

York 47-Salisbury 38

McGowan has 19 and Williams was on the bench for about the last seven minutes of the half with two fouls.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dan Johnson on December 02, 2006, 05:24:41 PM
Like what I am hearing in the first half from Salisbury...

On another note, I don't know anyone from Lincoln, I don't know their coach, I know nothing about them except...they have no class.  I think it is disgraceful to the sport to beat an opponent 201-78.  And unfortunately, since it is such a rare "feat", it has made it to ESPN.com all ready.  They should be ashamed of themselves. :(
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on December 02, 2006, 05:27:55 PM
Update from DuFour Center..

Goucher - 35
Catholic - 51
2nd half - 13:20 remaining

Cards beginning to pull it away with 2 three pointer by Dwyer and Fumai shot another 3. Coach Lee Trevino of Goucher got Technical Foul recent. Goucher miss couples of easy shots in the paint and create many unnecessary turnovers led to CUA baskets.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on December 02, 2006, 05:40:05 PM
with 10:31 remaining in the half from Salisbury

Salisbury 71-York 64

Oh how momentum has turned
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on December 02, 2006, 05:45:07 PM
Live from DuFour Center..

Goucher - 51
Catholic - 57
2nd half - 6:39 remaining
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: unreallawns on December 02, 2006, 05:46:29 PM
Should Lincoln scoring 201 be considered an NCAA record?  The school they beat isn't affiliated with the NCAA.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on December 02, 2006, 05:47:07 PM
With just under 8 minutes left,

Salisbury 76-York 66

Salisbury scored 38 in the first half and have scored 38 in just over 12 minutes of the second half.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on December 02, 2006, 05:51:35 PM
Goucher - 58
Catholic - 57
2nd half - 4:39 remaining

Russo hit a go ahead 3 pointer. Goucher is on 23-6 run with Pierre Jones on the bench due to foul out.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on December 02, 2006, 05:51:56 PM
With 6:04 remaining in Salisbury...

Salisbury 77-York 69
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 02, 2006, 05:52:08 PM
Quote from: unreallawns on December 02, 2006, 05:46:29 PM
Should Lincoln scoring 201 be considered an NCAA record?  The school they beat isn't affiliated with the NCAA.

Lincoln is. For a single-team record that's all it takes.

When Troy State set its scoring record it also was not against an NCAA school.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on December 02, 2006, 05:52:42 PM
Turnovers are killing York in the second half while the Sea Gulls are draining everything they take.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on December 02, 2006, 06:00:29 PM
With 2:39 to go

Salisbury 83-York 73
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on December 02, 2006, 06:03:17 PM
Goucher - 63
Catholic - 59
2nd half - 1:35 remaining

CUA missing free throws.. They only scored 8 points in last 12 minutes compare to 28 by Goucher.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on December 02, 2006, 06:07:43 PM
A near final (1:04 left)

Salisbury 89-York 81
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: unreallawns on December 02, 2006, 06:09:28 PM
Thanks fpr the clarification Pat.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on December 02, 2006, 06:11:13 PM
Final from SU....

Salisbury 93-York 81

First loss since the Final Four against Calvin that the Spartans have lost by more than two points in a game.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on December 02, 2006, 06:14:26 PM
Gophers' comeback in 2nd half win over Cards at the DuFour Center!

Goucher - 68
Catholic - 62   -  FINAL -

I will let Matt L. or anybody else have the final comment of the game.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on December 02, 2006, 06:37:12 PM
York's thorn in there side has struck again.  3 of the last 4 York losses of come at the hand's of Salisbury.  In this conference it is tough to win on the road.  That being said how about Goucher going into Catholic and stealing a game.  After what Goucher went through last year its hard to believe they competed like they did to get one from Catolic.  I think the conference is between 4 squads, York, Salisbury, Catholic, and Mary Wash with Salisbury being the favorite.

The York Faithful look to support coach Gamber in getting coaching win number 400 on Wednesday against GAlly.  I'm sure the students will be happy to be back to cheer on there Spartans. 

Go Spartans
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 02, 2006, 09:53:01 PM
Do I have to comment?  Ha...

Well, I'll hand to Goucher, but not to take anything away from them, they didn't win so much as Catholic just (literally) gave the game away.  I'm not sure I've ever seen anything like it.  They had FIFTEEN turnovers in the second half alone.  The two #1 guards had 13 combined.   Two totally different teams out there (first and second halfs---well really, first 28 or so minutes).

Goucher just ramped up into a pressure defense that gave Catholic total fits.  Plus, the Cardinals went ice cold--open shots, easy shots, tough shots, whatever.  In the second half, they really didn't create much of anything and couldn't get the ball inside.  Goucher had gone small (well, really, that's all they can go) and they just blocked entry passes.  Catholic panicked, got flustered and frustrated. 

The best thing to happen in this game for Goucher was Pierre Jones getting in foul trouble and eventually fouling out.   I know he's got talent and is a decent player, but he was a serious ball hog and threw up all kinds of bad shots.  Once he was out of there, Goucher began to actaully work the clock, set up some nice screens and get some good shots.   Offense flowed much, much better.  You knew Russo was going to heat up, Stolz did a nice job on him for a while  but he's going to get his points.

Trevino's always been a bit of a controversial coach.  It seems like virtually every time he comes into DuFour he get's a T, and frankly he's lucky he was around for this entire game because he was damn close to getting two.  Today, it worked.  It fired his team up.   He barks on every single call.  Truly, there's not a call against Goucher than he thinks is legit.  Never mind that Goucher got a ton of calls in this game, didn't matter, he's going to bark.  But, I guess each crew has a different tolerance, and especially early in the season, his team responded.

We had talked a little bit on here about the third scoring option for Catholic.  Up until today, they've had at least one other player besides Dwyer and Fumai step up into double digits.  Today, didn't happen.  Papageorge was ice cold, Wasilenko couldn't get involved in the scoring.  And, there's no other way to say it, Fumai was just off.  1-11 from 3.  It happens.  He's a great shooter, everybody knows that, but today it just wouldn't fall for him.  Dwyer got his points--22 & 10 rebounds, but with Fumai having a bad game, there just wasn't enough.

Well, I'll tell you, Catholic goes to Marymount Wed and that's going to be tough.  Marymount gets way up to play CUA.  Based on what I've seen so far, I'm inclined to think that today was just one of those games--they were sort of due for one--but they're going to have to play well to beat the Saints in their gym. 

Goucher was really pumped up after this game (act like you been there before guys!) but I can understand that--they were way down and just about dead and pulled out a win, and a lot of those guys haven't done much winning lately.  So, we'll see them up at SRC, with revenge on the Cardinals mind. 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 02, 2006, 09:55:23 PM
Lincoln putting up 201; Goucher coming from 18 back to beat CUA at the SRC South; and UCLA upsetting USC... what a weekend :).

I actually started to post another post... and accidently deleted (not sure I like the new IE 7 - debatable). Anyway, this won't be as well put together since I am not in the mood to try and retype everything.

I didn't see a boxscore from the CUA/GOU game, but did read the CUA release. Very interesting it came down to Goucher's defense (which has been better this year, but not good enough just yet) and CUA free-throw shooting. If someone told me that the game would come down to that before hand, I would have told you that CUA would win.

Quote from: Salem, VA on December 02, 2006, 06:37:12 PM
After what Goucher went through last year its hard to believe they competed like they did to get one from Catolic.  I think the conference is between 4 squads, York, Salisbury, Catholic, and Mary Wash with Salisbury being the favorite.

Ah... don't look at Goucher's season last year and use it to compare to this year. This is team does not even come close to fitting the mold of a 3-and whatever team still struggling this year. They are not going to be 20-8 or anything, but they are not going to be at the bottom of the CAC pile this year. They are very deep this year and the return of Pierre Jones and Cameron Brown certainly help. Not to mention the fact that while they have a lot of freshmen (6), one is a red-shirt and some of the others are not really phased by the game (though they will make their young mistakes). Goucher is going to maybe battle for a home-court game... but will most likely travel in the first round again this year.

Quote from: Salem, VA on December 02, 2006, 06:37:12 PM
I think the conference is between 4 squads, York, Salisbury, Catholic, and Mary Wash with Salisbury being the favorite.

Just because Salisbury beat York doesn't mean they win the conference this year. I have seen Salisbury play two games so far this year (at the Maryland tournament) - researched the rest - and will soon see them in a fourth. If they play as a team (like they seemed to have today), they are one of the toughest teams in the conference/region. But if they get individualistic (i.e. Ray Williams), they will go no where. Ray is a good player, but he tends to take too many shots, especially when he is cold, and seems to forget he has four other teammates on the floor. In five of seven games this young season, Williams has shot .600 or worse (4 of 7 below .500). In those seven, most were games they should have won (thus their record). York and JHU would probably be the two games I would argue they were the underdog going in (1-1 in those). In the game against JHU, Williams shot 10-28 after shooting horribly the night before against McDaniel (2-11). He wouldn't stop shooting. So, if any team out there is smart... let him shoot! He misses everything from threes to layups. Make him beat you by hitting everything he puts up. Right now, that isn't a bad idea... in five of seven games... he hasn't hurt another team. So... let him shoot... and shut everyone else down. Salisbury maybe is in the top-four... but my early favorite to win the CAC... UMW!

I have planned to write up my usually early season thoughts on the conference... but keep getting delayed. I will try and get to it next week... but conference action has already shown what I thought was going to happen this year. Wide open with no clear favorite. Here are my other quick thoughts on each team (in alphabetical order):
- Catholic is truely going to get tested this year - first true idea how Coach Howes will do at CUA. A poster said the five seniors were ready to step up. Well, they all should have stepped up last year... this year is for them to play as a unit... I think they will struggle
- Gallaudet has lost too much and will finish last
- Goucher is better with plenty of play makers, but probably a just above .500 conference season
- Hope will make waves, but finish near the bottom
- Marymount, who knows... we would know a lot more if their SID office paid attention to the men's team as much as the women's team. However, the men's team will struggle since I just don't think that program has found the talent to bring it to the top.
- Mary Washington is going to quietly lead the CAC this year - have plenty of talent and leadership and is just going to get the job done
- Salisbury is once again a tough team, but will lose plenty of games by not playing as a team
- St. Mary's is a very inconsistent team - will go only as far as their maturity and thier coach's patience
- York is going to deal with growing pains, but will battle for a top spot because of McGowan, Kelley, Yeck, and Zerfing

Just some quick thoughts!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 02, 2006, 10:10:24 PM
Matt - a couple of thoughts that you made that I had to reply to because they were either very interesting... or funny.

Quote from: Matt Letourneau on December 02, 2006, 09:53:01 PM
Catholic panicked, got flustered and frustrated. 
Very interesting... and could be the Cardinals achilles (sp?) heal all season.

Quote from: Matt Letourneau on December 02, 2006, 09:53:01 PM
The best thing to happen in this game for Goucher was Pierre Jones getting in foul trouble and eventually fouling out.   I know he's got talent and is a decent player, but he was a serious ball hog and threw up all kinds of bad shots.  Once he was out of there, Goucher began to actaully work the clock, set up some nice screens and get some good shots.   Offense flowed much, much better.  You knew Russo was going to heat up, Stolz did a nice job on him for a while  but he's going to get his points.
This is a first for this season. I have seen plenty of Goucher basketball this year and have seen them struggle when Jones is on the bench. He may "hog" a bit, but when teams double-down he will find the open player. Jones didn't start against York and Goucher got off to a rough start. When Jones got into the game, Goucher actually got back into the game (York proved to be too much in the end). As for Russo - glad to see he had a hot night. He has been on the verge of having a hot night and it usually leads to a run of a couple of games - we shall see how long it will last this time :).

Quote from: Matt Letourneau on December 02, 2006, 09:53:01 PM
Trevino's always been a bit of a controversial coach.  It seems like virtually every time he comes into DuFour he get's a T, and frankly he's lucky he was around for this entire game because he was damn close to getting two.  Today, it worked.  It fired his team up.   He barks on every single call.  Truly, there's not a call against Goucher than he thinks is legit.  Never mind that Goucher got a ton of calls in this game, didn't matter, he's going to bark.  But, I guess each crew has a different tolerance, and especially early in the season, his team responded.
Matt - this sounds like every CUA fan ( ;) ) and a former CUA coach that I once knew well. Barking at refs on every call, thinking a team isn't getting the calls the team deserves, etc. that has been CUA in a nutshell over the year  ;). The funnier thing... I heard the same from several Salisbury and York fans recently as well (quick comment, why in the world did York fans want hand-checking fouls to be called with less than 30 seconds in the game when the team was up 15-plus against Goucher? You had to know no ref in the world is going to stop the game when the game is over).

Quote from: Matt Letourneau on December 02, 2006, 09:53:01 PM
Goucher was really pumped up after this game (act like you been there before guys!) but I can understand that--they were way down and just about dead and pulled out a win, and a lot of those guys haven't done much winning lately.  So, we'll see them up at SRC, with revenge on the Cardinals mind. 
At least you understand where this team has come from. They haven't had that kind of game in years and some really haven't been there before :). We welcome you to the DuFour Center North in January... should be interesting :).
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 03, 2006, 12:07:24 AM
Dave--

Appreciate your sharing your thoughts, as always.   Catholic getting flustered surprised me a little bit today, actually, because so far this season they've been absolutely clutch.  I'm not sure how much you've followed the Cardinals, but this is a team that was down 11 with under 8 to go at Albright.  This is a team that blew a big lead against Scranton at Scranton then pulled away for a 10 point win.  This is a team that was down for 38 minutes against St Marys and won.  These guys have shown a ton of poise so far.  Today, they got hit with a level of pressure they weren't used to and got away from their offense.

I think Howes proved himself plenty last year...he had a lot to deal with.  Lets just say that last year's seniors were in a different place than this year's group.  Last year, they were dangerously close to tanking and having a very "un-Catholic" like season, he turned it around and got them a CAC title.  Now, the lack of a junior class makes things interesting--he's got 5 seniors and then pretty much all "green" players.  But he's using the freshman extensively, and they're a very talented group. 

Jones took some absolutely horrible shots today, early in the shot clock too.  He's obviously got good talent, but he shouldn't be taking defended turn around jumpers with 20 seconds on the shot clock. 

Coach wise--hey, it worked for him today.  But he was worse than Lonergan on Mike's worst day.  I think its a lousy strategy because when you do have a legitimate beef, nobody will listen.   I think you expect a coach to work the refs, but...some calls just shouldn't be argued. 

There is a decent shot that I won't be making the trip this year---the game is scheduled for two days before our baby's due date!  I'm trying to get in as many games as I can now, because I will have to take a sabbatical later in the year!

Right now, if I had to sort of rank the CAC, I'd put MW, Salisbury and CUA at the top, put York as sort of a solid fourth by themselves, Goucher, SMC and Hood fight for 5-7, and Gally solidly in last.  I can't judge within those groups--Goucher's got some big size problems, SMC should be better than they're playing, for no other reason than Alex Irmer is a big talent in this league, and Hood I just don't know well enough.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: unreallawns on December 03, 2006, 12:53:02 AM
Please let Ray Williams shoot and good luck shutting down his counter parts.  Salisbury will be competing for the number one spot this year.  He didn't have a great tourney at Goucher.  Alot of the misses Ray had against JHU was when they got down and had to press to get back in the game.  He definitly has spurts where he presses to score but hopefully those spurts will dwindle as the season goes on.  When you are one of the two top options and run the type of offense SU does, you are going to get alot of shots.  SU will be just fine.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on December 03, 2006, 09:54:31 AM
Comment on the CAC POY debate, just 2 conference games into the season, I agree that Baker from MW will most likely end up being short handed in POY voting come the end of the season due to the "balanced team" aspect like other boardies have said. Which would bring up our yearly debate of: best player (regardless of team standing) or best player from the best team (or top two, etc.). Oh well too early to tell but I must rather hang a CAC banner in Goolrick than have a trophy for Baker.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: manofgor24 on December 03, 2006, 07:45:04 PM
Salisbury will be the team to beat imo.  They have 2 4 year gaurds, 2 fresh faces who have been contributing, and the most improved player in the league in ozi menakaya.  With decent bench play, they will be hard to beat on any given night.  The only way they should lose a game in conference this year is if they lose it themselves.  Hands down best team in the league.  4th year with the creighton offense and it is finally paying off. 8)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: njlincolnlion on December 03, 2006, 10:39:27 PM
Congratulations Seagulls on the win aganist York.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 03, 2006, 10:46:19 PM
Quote from: manofgor24 on December 03, 2006, 07:45:04 PM
Salisbury will be the team to beat imo.  They have 2 4 year gaurds, 2 fresh faces who have been contributing, and the most improved player in the league in ozi menakaya.  With decent bench play, they will be hard to beat on any given night.  The only way they should lose a game in conference this year is if they lose it themselves.  Hands down best team in the league.  4th year with the creighton offense and it is finally paying off. 8)

No way are they "hands down" anything.  They are a good team that is going to be hard to beat.  But the same thing could be said for Mary Washington, and despite the slip up against Goucher, its also true for Catholic.  Way too early to tell.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 04, 2006, 01:45:59 AM
Quote from: Dave "d-mac" McHugh on December 02, 2006, 10:10:24 PM
Matt - a couple of thoughts that you made that I had to reply to because they were either very interesting... or funny.

Quote from: Matt Letourneau on December 02, 2006, 09:53:01 PM
Catholic panicked, got flustered and frustrated. 
Very interesting... and could be the Cardinals achilles (sp?) heal all season.


You nailed achilles but blew "heel" there. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on December 04, 2006, 08:10:34 AM
Echoing Matt's comment, manofgor just described a good number of team in the CAC much less all of D3. Conference play is just getting under way, let's get the first meetings out of the way before we start seeing the true nature of these teams. Injuries, poor play, and tough games will show us the "team to beat".

Go Eagles.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ex_mu14 on December 04, 2006, 11:13:08 AM
As long as coach Finney and his wife are in charge of the athletic dept, you will never find anything out about the men's program. The men's program is second when it comes to basketball at marymount.  I wouldnt be surprised if Finney is running both programs.. It would be nice if they could at least update the men's web page. That the same web page from when i played in 1998-02.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: TheGrove on December 04, 2006, 11:14:09 AM
Quote from: Dave "d-mac" McHugh on December 02, 2006, 09:55:23 PM

- Marymount, who knows... we would know a lot more if their SID office paid attention to the men's team as much as the women's team.

Haha - good luck on that.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: manofgor24 on December 04, 2006, 12:14:05 PM
I admit I may have gotten ahead of myself.  I forget that Peirce is still at umw and lee, baker, and fitz are a solid supporting cast with much experience.  I must say that i am biased towards the bury and some comments may reflect this.  As we all know, the top 4 teams in the league may be competing for the title this year.....and that will make for an exciting year.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 04, 2006, 01:10:29 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 04, 2006, 01:45:59 AM
Quote from: Dave "d-mac" McHugh on December 02, 2006, 10:10:24 PM
Matt - a couple of thoughts that you made that I had to reply to because they were either very interesting... or funny.

Quote from: Matt Letourneau on December 02, 2006, 09:53:01 PM
Catholic panicked, got flustered and frustrated. 
Very interesting... and could be the Cardinals achilles (sp?) heal all season.


You nailed achilles but blew "heel" there. :)

Just for the record--it looks like I wrote that from the way its positioned, but it was actually D-Mac's typo!

Manofgor, of course when you watch one team (not to mention root for that team), you tend to see all of their strengths and have a hard time picture them being beat, but of course that is true for some of the teams in the league also, which you seem to realize.  We all do have our biases.  Over the years I've tried to do a better job evaluating other teams and being realistic about everyone's chances.   Its hard because if you follow one team exclusively, you only tend to see the other teams in the league twice, and everybody can have a bad game on occassion.   Still, the internet makes it a lot easier to at least get some sense of what's going on with various other players and can confirm impressions made in person.

BIG game for CUA at Marymount Wed.  One thing about Catholic is that you usually get everybody else's best show.  Nowhere is that more true than at Marymount.  Regardless of the kind of year the Saints have, they always play the Cardinals tough.  Coming off of a disappointing loss, it will be interesting to see how CUA reponds.

One thing that was lost (briefly mentioned by Bison) was the shot that Sean Stolzenthaler hit at the buzzer before halftime.  He was pretty much on the ground, facing away from the CU basketball somewhere between midcourt and the Goucher 3 point line--so I'd say he was about 2/3rds a court away from the basket.   With around one second left, he chucked it up there....and swish!

I've been to a LOT of basketball games, everything from NBA to high school  I've NEVER seen somebody hit one of those before.  It was incredible.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 05, 2006, 01:44:05 AM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on December 04, 2006, 01:10:29 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 04, 2006, 01:45:59 AM
Quote from: Dave "d-mac" McHugh on December 02, 2006, 10:10:24 PM
Matt - a couple of thoughts that you made that I had to reply to because they were either very interesting... or funny.

Quote from: Matt Letourneau on December 02, 2006, 09:53:01 PM
Catholic panicked, got flustered and frustrated. 
Very interesting... and could be the Cardinals achilles (sp?) heal all season.


You nailed achilles but blew "heel" there. :)

Just for the record--it looks like I wrote that from the way its positioned, but it was actually D-Mac's typo!


I think people know how to read the quotes.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on December 05, 2006, 08:46:16 AM
depends on where they went to school....
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 05, 2006, 10:56:26 AM
Well, hell, I went to the same school as Pat, and it confused me. 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on December 05, 2006, 11:45:11 AM
A tip of the cap to Chad McGowan and Kristen Daly for picking up CAC Player of the Week honors. I think we may end up seeing more big numbers out of Chad as the team continues to gel around him. The rebound numbers will be high as long as the shooting percentage stays were it is, and he is just going to keep taking the ball to the bucket for big point totals. 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on December 05, 2006, 03:48:19 PM
Most York fans know by now that Coach Gamber is on the verge of his 400th career win. But for those of you who didn't have as much time to kill at your desk today, I just wanted to hip you to one other milestone on the horizon. Chad McGowan has 954 points going into tomorrow night's game, which will be his 68th. So he may reach the 1000 mark as soon as the next three games, which are all at home (5/6 Gally 5/8 UMW, and 5/12 Juniata).
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on December 06, 2006, 03:47:52 PM
No game tonight for the Eagles but you can bet they're gearing up for McGowan and Co this Friday. CAC GOW (Game of the Week) easily. Early predictions?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on December 06, 2006, 04:04:23 PM
Just some interesting stats that'll shed some light on the teams this year:
1. UMW leads the league in scoring margin +7.8
2. Catholic shoots 38% from the floor but leads the league at 174 times to the line and a FT% at 69% (Matt. L)
interesting become UMW has only gone to the line 62 times!!!
3. Salisbury has 9 times as many blocks as Goucher does (29 to 3)
4. UMW averages 14 3pt FGM per game.....per game!
5. McGowan grabs 9.0 def. rebs a game.....amongst other things

yup.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 06, 2006, 06:41:59 PM
Quote from: mwgoonie on December 06, 2006, 04:04:23 PM
Just some interesting stats that'll shed some light on the teams this year:
1. UMW leads the league in scoring margin +7.8
2. Catholic shoots 38% from the floor but leads the league at 174 times to the line and a FT% at 69% (Matt. L)
interesting become UMW has only gone to the line 62 times!!!
3. Salisbury has 9 times as many blocks as Goucher does (29 to 3)
4. UMW averages 14 3pt FGM per game.....per game!
5. McGowan grabs 9.0 def. rebs a game.....amongst other things
After watching Salisbury a few times this season (and again, I will tonight)... I wonder how much those "stats" are tainted by those who don't know stats. That being said, I am a little surprised by the "3" for Goucher. They are not a huge blocking team, but what are the chances people don't know stats in those games either (of course, only two Goucher games have been away - and I know the Goucher crew knows their stats :).

Anyway... just trying to point out that in an early season... while those stats above are interesting... some can be twisted.

I will be at the Goucher/Salisbury game tonight - as I am at all Goucher home games. I will make sure to constantly keep the score updated through the scoreboard. You can also listen to the game via Goucher College Radio (//http:///www.goucher.edu/radio), if you choose.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on December 06, 2006, 06:47:50 PM
Live stats for the York - Gallaudet game available here:

http://faculty/%7Esguise/mbb/xlive.htm

The link will go live a few minutes before the scheduled 8 pm tip.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: unreallawns on December 06, 2006, 07:24:24 PM
I would imagine SU's stats are accurate.  They have more than one person logging them.  Ozi Menakaya has 11 of those blocks.  It says on Gouchers website that they only have 4 blocks.  Aren't they the ones logging their stats.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 06, 2006, 08:24:42 PM
Actually... Goucher's stats are only kept by their people... when at home games. Stats at away games are compiled by the home team's SID department (if they have a good one :)).
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 06, 2006, 08:37:05 PM
YCP - link seems bad for the live stats!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 06, 2006, 08:50:49 PM
Found the problem - here is the link:

http://faculty.ycp.edu/~sguise/mbb/xlive.htm
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 06, 2006, 09:09:06 PM
At the half at the Goucher Sports and Recreation Center...

Salisbury 29
Goucher 37

The game started very slowly... SU didn't get thier first points until about the 7 minute mark.

But the half finished like a track meet!

Salisbury is being lead by Ray Williams with 9 points on 2 of 6 shooting
Goucher is being lead by James Russon with 12 points on 5 of 6 shooting
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on December 06, 2006, 09:57:28 PM
Of course stats that are accummulated slowly through out a season, such as blocks, etc. don't show up well early but again 29 vereus 3 or 4 is big, not within a margin of error. nor is there a margin of error in FT attempts, i imagine those stats are kept accurately, if spelled so. and certainly there will be slumps or a flurry of stats from any number of teams...
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycpfinal4 on December 06, 2006, 10:17:45 PM
Galludet started slow and York had a big lead at half. Nick Brady was 4/4 from 3pt land and 1/1 from the field.  After half time YCP controlled the pace and maintained a lead.  Up as many as 25 or so.  As I was leaving Galludet cut the lead to 15.  Big Scottie G. over at YCP will have a spectacular complete write up in no time.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on December 06, 2006, 10:19:11 PM
Congrats to Spartan head coach Jeff Gamber on his 400th career victory.

He needed only 143 games to reach 400 after his 300th win on November 24, 2001.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: unreallawns on December 06, 2006, 10:22:22 PM
Big win for SU on the road.  I only caught the last 5 minutes of the game on the radio.  SU is turning out to be a strong 2nd half team.  Protect home court and steal em' on the road.  Congrats SU!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 06, 2006, 10:23:09 PM
Final from the Goucher Sports and Recreation Center:

Salisbury 73
Goucher 67

Salisbury is now 6-2, 2-0 and Goucher is 3-4, 1-2.

Not a very pretty game... very chaotic and tons of turnovers (31 total at the half).

Salisbury is a very good team... but they have a tendency to play to their competition. That's great when the teams are very good (i.e. York and Virginia Wesleyan), but it might bite them against teams like Gallaudet, St. Mary's, and Hood.

Ray Williams had a pretty good game... but the Seagulls star tonight was Frank Gerald.

Goucher travels to Marymount on Saturday... no more games at the SRC until mid-January!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 06, 2006, 11:14:31 PM
In what could be Catholic's last game at the Verizon Center, it was same old Marymount.

Catholic 68, Marymount 55.

This was as ugly a game as you will ever see, and not just because neither team played all that well.  It was one of the worst displays of sportsmanship--even by Marymount standards--in this rivarly, at least at their own gym.  I just can't believe that year after year this continues.

Marymount had 3 technical fouls, and an intentional foul called, one tech by Bryant Majors for shoving Wasilenko (twice), and two by Scott McClarly.  The first one was in the first half, when he thought that a foul that was called on Fred Stanback was actually on somebody else, the second one in the second half, when it was a 6 point game, and frankly I have no clue what he was even arguing.  He was ejected.  From that point, it was ugly.  REALLY ugly.  Clawing, grabbing, blows to the head, you name it.   Fumai got smacked in the face, Wheeler got a bloody lip, etc.  And this contact was not incidental.  There actually should have been a few more intentional's called anyway. 

So, as a result, Catholic ended up shooting 38 free throws--33 of them in the second half.   When McClarly was ejected, Catholic was up 48-42, and looked to be pulling away, but nevertheless, Marymount was IN the game.  They had the lead at halftime, were playing tough defense, Catholic had been cold (though they were starting to heat up).  There was no reason to lose composure and get tossed.  And what happens is that the team followed the coach's lead and just totally tanked, stopping playing defense and started playing hockey.

Scott Fumai led the Cardinals with 21 points.  Catholic scored just 20 points in the first half, but shot 50% in the second half.   Wheeler had 10, I think all of them were in the second half also.   Majors led Marymount with 18.  He's a good shooter.

Frankly, Marymount's just not all that good anyway.  They've got absolutely no inside game whatsoever.  A few guys that have, shall we say, width, but not height, and no moves.  They're athletic like they always are, and can catch you napping on dribble penetration.   Other than that---I don't even know how they beat St. Mary's.

But anyway, I just don't get it...you'd think one of these years the AD would wake up and fix that program.   The Cardinals will take the win in their gym--ALWAYS tough--and move on. 

And by the way--I'm getting a kick out of the hyperbole some of these schools put out there.  This is in McClarly's bio:
"McClary and his staff have now landed three recruiting classes ranked among the top of Division III."

REALLY? By who? And what happened? If that was true, then they must suck as coaches because they aren't getting results.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ex_mu14 on December 06, 2006, 11:17:25 PM
Cu defeated Mu by 12 points. Mu was winning most of the game until the last six minutes of the game. Then everything blew up for Mu, starting with the coach being ejected.  Five minutes left in the game and Mu down by six the head coach picked up his second tech. After the free throws, Mu fouled a Cu player on the inbound pass. The Mu player loses control and picks up a tech. A couple minutes later MU picks up an intentional foul. Therefore Cu is up by 12 without any time coming off the game clock....Then Cu #21 goes to the free throw line for two shots. He missed the first shot then Cu subs a player off the bench to shoot the second free throw.  I think that's a questionable move but I'm upset about how MU lost their cool....

I know Matt probably will post about Mu acting like thugs but i blame this lost on the head coach. You do not get ejected when your team is only down six points with five minutes to go. This had to be the worst coached game in the history of Mu basketball.. You have Cu on the ropes and you let them off by losing your cool.  Then the assistant coaches could not calm the team down after the head coach was ejected.  They called a time out during a free throw to sub a player in and for a players only meeting...
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ex_mu14 on December 06, 2006, 11:20:15 PM
i knew it........haha
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 06, 2006, 11:25:51 PM
Well, 14, if you read what I say though, I think its pretty clear that I put the blame the same place you do:
"There was no reason to lose composure and get tossed.  And what happens is that the team followed the coach's lead and just totally tanked, stopping playing defense and started playing hockey."

The team followed their coach's lead.   I agree with you 100%.  Catholic most likely would have won the game anyway, because that's the way it was trending, but you CANNOT pick up another tech there.  You just can't, and I agree that it completely blew the game up.  The players do have to take some responsiblity--I'm sick of excuses.  They had to know better than that even with McClarly gone.  But even so, if you know your team and how they react, then you should know you can't let that happen.

On the Wheeler sub, he should not have ever been made to take that free throw.  He was literally dripping blood.  He took one free threw, missed it, the CUA bench was point at the blood the whole time, and finally the ref went over, looked, and ordered him off the court as is the rule.  He did need treatment on the bench. 

On that time out, they may have intended just to sub, but they didn't tell the ref and actually huddled for about 20 seconds, THEN decided to sub and role.  The timeout was called on the Marymount end of the court, and Catholic had barely even settled into their huddle before Marymount tried to end the timeout.  The officials never should have let Marymount back on the court anyway, but one of them did, and then eventually was overuled because at least somebody knew the rules.   
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 06, 2006, 11:26:46 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on December 06, 2006, 11:25:51 PM
Well, 14, if you read what I say though, I think its pretty clear that I put the blame the same place you do:
"There was no reason to lose composure and get tossed.  And what happens is that the team followed the coach's lead and just totally tanked, stopping playing defense and started playing hockey."

The team followed their coach's lead.   I agree with you 100%.  Catholic most likely would have won the game anyway, because that's the way it was trending, but you CANNOT pick up another tech there.  You just can't, and I agree that it completely blew the game up.  The players do have to take some responsiblity--I'm sick of excuses.  They had to know better than that even with McClarly gone.  But even so, if you know your team and how they react, then you should know you can't let that happen.

On the Wheeler sub, he should not have ever been made to take that free throw.  He was literally dripping blood.  He took one free threw, missed it, the CUA bench was point at the blood the whole time, and finally the ref went over, looked, and ordered him off the court as is the rule.  He did need treatment on the bench. 

On that time out, they may have intended just to sub, but they didn't tell the ref and actually huddled for about 20 seconds, THEN decided to sub and roll.  The timeout was called on the Marymount end of the court, and Catholic had barely even settled into their huddle before Marymount tried to end the timeout.  The officials never should have let Marymount back on the court anyway, but one of them did, and then eventually was overuled because at least somebody knew the rules.   

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ex_mu14 on December 06, 2006, 11:28:09 PM
Matt,

I did not see all the blows been thrown but i have to agree with you on this one.  You not going to say anything about the refs.. I dont know why Mu was complaining so much its the same CAC refs from back in 1998-02. Does CAC ever replace their refs?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ex_mu14 on December 06, 2006, 11:29:33 PM
i was typing my first post before you posted yours.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on December 06, 2006, 11:36:23 PM
Wow, I guess we must be getting into the conference slate with the MU/CUA events of the evening...

Anyway, here is the recap for the York/Gallaudet game....

The Spartans were led by junior Chad McGowan as the reigning CAC Men's Basketball Player of the Week poured in 23 points while he also pulled down seven rebounds, blocked two shots and had two steals. Nick Brady recorded a career-high with 17 points including five threes. Sophomore Nate Lankford established a new career-high with 16 points, five rebounds, six assists, and three steals. Senior captain Brad Zerfing was the fourth Spartan in double figures with 14 points while he also had four assists, two steals, one blocked shot, and a pair of rebounds. Sophomore Pat Kelley pulled down a career-high 10 rebounds in addition to his nine points, three assists, and two steals.
Jonathan Valencia led the Bison with 22 points while he also had three steals and three boards. Sekoe White added 18 points, six rebounds, five rebounds, and three steals. White scored 17 of his 18 points in the second half of the contest. Jon Mowl added 17 points, five assists, and three steals but the Spartan defense harassed the point guard into eight turnovers for the game.
The Spartans finished the game shooting 51.6% from the floor including a blistering 63.2% (12-for-19) from three. Gallaudet shot 60% in the second half, a half in which they scored 58 points, but ended the game shooting 42.4% from the floor. Gallaudet was just 7-for-31 (22.6%) from the field in the first half. York out-rebounded the Bison 44-31 while the Spartans held a 27-14 edge in fast break points.
York had its best night of the season from the free throw line as they were 20-for-26 (76.9%) including 15-for-17 in the second half.
York has allowed 55 and 58 points in their last two second halves (at Salisbury and Gallaudet at home).

As I had posted before, Spartan head coach Jeff Gamber earned his 400th win with the victory.

Game Box
http://www.ycp.edu/sports/mens_basketball/2006/YCPMBB06.HTM
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 06, 2006, 11:39:17 PM
Quote from: ex_mu14 on December 06, 2006, 11:28:09 PM
Matt,

I did not see all the blows been thrown but i have to agree with you on this one.  You not going to say anything about the refs.. I dont know why Mu was complaining so much its the same CAC refs from back in 1998-02. Does CAC ever replace their refs?

No.  And they should.  They're bad.  They're always bad.  I suppose you could say that they were consistently bad.  But they aren't consistent.  Therein lies the problem.  Block/charge? Flip a coin. 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ex_mu14 on December 06, 2006, 11:45:38 PM
Insert Quote  
In what could be Catholic's last game at the Verizon Center, it was same old Marymount.

This is not the same old Marymount. From 1998-02 Marymount made the CAC final three out of the four years. One CAC championship, one buzzer beater lost to CU (their national championship year) and another close lost to Cu.  I cant remember the last time Mu got past the the CAC 1st round.

I cant believe what happen tonight......



Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 07, 2006, 12:15:26 AM
Well, even on those teams, I've never liked the attitude that came with the Saints--it frequently crossed the line (no, not everybody, but some) and I'm hardly the only one to think so--but, lets rephrase to say same old Marymount of the last 4 years, then.

I know how tough Marymount can be.  I was in the gym when Catholic came in as a top 3 team in the country in 2002 and got beat.  There's no reason they can't be good.  They ALWAYS played Catholic very tough and they had a ton of emotion which they channeled.  I used to wonder how they didn't have more wins because they looked so good.

Tonight was indeed a very, very poor showing that doesn't reflect well on anbody over there.  It SHOULD be a wake up call to Bill Finney, but my bet is that he can't be bothered to care.

And while I'm on my soapbox, do something about the scorer's table.  Its always something, this year it was not buzzing in subs  (yeah the refs should blow the whistle but they weren't paying attention).

Oh well, be interesting to see what the Saints look like when they show up in Catholic--though it is quite likely I will be missing that game, with bigger (or actually smaller) things on my mind!

Next up for Catholic is Hood.  Hood is 6-2, and tied with Catholic at 2-1 in the league.  They put up 99 against SMC today (why are they so bad, by the way?)  Certainly NOT going to be an easy game.  Coach Dickman certainly knows CUA, since his son ran the point for the Cardinals.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 07, 2006, 06:08:45 AM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on December 06, 2006, 11:25:51 PM
On that time out, they may have intended just to sub, but they didn't tell the ref and actually huddled for about 20 seconds, THEN decided to sub and role.  The timeout was called on the Marymount end of the court, and Catholic had barely even settled into their huddle before Marymount tried to end the timeout.  The officials never should have let Marymount back on the court anyway, but one of them did, and then eventually was overuled because at least somebody knew the rules.
OK - a bit confused. Who called the timeout? If Catholic called the timeout, then the timeout ends either when Catholic breaks out of their "huddle" or when the time runs out. If Marymount called the time out, it doesn't matter if CUA didn't have time to get settled in their huddle, the timeout is over.

Just for clarification... a time out ends when the time ends or the team who calls the timeout breaks their huddle and returns to the court. Thus... the timeout for a sub rule - no one ever meets... the idea was to get a sub onto the court (usually late in games).

Quote from: ex_mu14 on December 06, 2006, 11:28:09 PM
Does CAC ever replace their refs?
Yes... actually they do. I was talking to a ref I know well just the other day. In this region... they lost 27 refs from last year (due to moving, military committments, retiring, getting rid of, whatever) and got 25 new refs this year. I believe the idea the CAC has their own refs is a bit far-fetched. I need to look further into this, but I believe the CAC contracts through the region and refs are assigned. We happen to see refs we know due to other games (there are plenty of D1 games in this region), refs schedules and preferences, and then how good the refs are (I suspect). I know I have seen quite a few new refs this year, mainly because I have already seen at least 12 games at the SRC and a few more elsewhere.

Quote from: Matt Letourneau on December 07, 2006, 12:15:26 AM
Next up for Catholic is Hood.  Hood is 6-2, and tied with Catholic at 2-1 in the league.  They put up 99 against SMC today (why are they so bad, by the way?)  Certainly NOT going to be an easy game.  Coach Dickman certainly knows CUA, since his son ran the point for the Cardinals.
Hood is a good team you don't want to take lightly... and SMC can't get out of their past. They are unmature and their coach - as much as I would like to give him the benefit of the doubt - doesn't have control over them. He needs to lead by example and sometimes his example is a bit out of control (i.e. Lonergan and Trevino back in the day - which reminds me Matt, if you ever though Lonergan was never as bad as Trevino, you didn't pay attention. Speaking as one usually between the two of them... back in the day... I swore they were competing for who was going to yell louder at the refs and come the closest to earning a tech - quite funny to think about when looking back).

As for Hood, I am very impressed with what Coach Dickman has put together at Hood and think their entrance in the CAC was very well timed for the men's program. Instead of being stuck playing as an independent and with nothing to further challenge the program, they are in a very competitive conference now. While they may not be one of the best four in the near future, they will certainly continue to improve thanks to the better basketball they will forced to play in the conference alone.

Hood will finish better than #8 in this conference, while SMC and Gallaudet will be fighting to make the playoffs or playing in a play-in game (can't remember this year's set-up).

FINALLY - Congrats to Coach Gamber! I have certainly seen a lot of YCP basketball over the years and always respected what Coach Gamber (and his son, Dean) have put together up their in York. He has also always treated me with the utmost respect and taken the time to chat. 400 is a huge milestone... but I wonder if he will be around YCP to get 500?????
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MuMu on December 07, 2006, 09:42:18 AM
Being my first post, due to the fact of d3hoops taking years to get my account set-up.Playing for Coach Mac at MU, he has never lost his cool in a game! Honestly he would never advise anything that happen last night! However, I would not want to be the team today in practice for what happen last night. They will run untill the sun goes down as well as up. Coach MAC sweats class, and smells class daily off the court and on the court. He is best thing that has happend to the MU program, most importantly you gain your Degree, and he gets your prepared for after college!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 07, 2006, 09:55:46 AM
Quote from: Dave "d-mac" McHugh on December 07, 2006, 06:08:45 AM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on December 06, 2006, 11:25:51 PM
OK - a bit confused. Who called the timeout? If Catholic called the timeout, then the timeout ends either when Catholic breaks out of their "huddle" or when the time runs out. If Marymount called the time out, it doesn't matter if CUA didn't have time to get settled in their huddle, the timeout is over.

Just for clarification... a time out ends when the time ends or the team who calls the timeout breaks their huddle and returns to the court. Thus... the timeout for a sub rule - no one ever meets... the idea was to get a sub onto the court (usually late in games).

Quote from: ex_mu14 on December 06, 2006, 11:28:09 PM
Does CAC ever replace their refs?
Yes... actually they do. I was talking to a ref I know well just the other day. In this region... they lost 27 refs from last year (due to moving, military committments, retiring, getting rid of, whatever) and got 25 new refs this year. I believe the idea the CAC has their own refs is a bit far-fetched. I need to look further into this, but I believe the CAC contracts through the region and refs are assigned. We happen to see refs we know due to other games (there are plenty of D1 games in this region), refs schedules and preferences, and then how good the refs are (I suspect). I know I have seen quite a few new refs this year, mainly because I have already seen at least 12 games at the SRC and a few more elsewhere.


Quote from: Matt Letourneau on December 07, 2006, 12:15:26 AM
Next up for Catholic is Hood.  Hood is 6-2, and tied with Catholic at 2-1 in the league.  They put up 99 against SMC today (why are they so bad, by the way?)  Certainly NOT going to be an easy game.  Coach Dickman certainly knows CUA, since his son ran the point for the Cardinals.
Hood is a good team you don't want to take lightly... and SMC can't get out of their past. They are unmature and their coach - as much as I would like to give him the benefit of the doubt - doesn't have control over them. He needs to lead by example and sometimes his example is a bit out of control (i.e. Lonergan and Trevino back in the day - which reminds me Matt, if you ever though Lonergan was never as bad as Trevino, you didn't pay attention. Speaking as one usually between the two of them... back in the day... I swore they were competing for who was going to yell louder at the refs and come the closest to earning a tech - quite funny to think about when looking back).


As for Hood, I am very impressed with what Coach Dickman has put together at Hood and think their entrance in the CAC was very well timed for the men's program. Instead of being stuck playing as an independent and with nothing to further challenge the program, they are in a very competitive conference now. While they may not be one of the best four in the near future, they will certainly continue to improve thanks to the better basketball they will forced to play in the conference alone.

Hood will finish better than #8 in this conference, while SMC and Gallaudet will be fighting to make the playoffs or playing in a play-in game (can't remember this year's set-up).

Well at this point, it looks like Hood could contend to be in the top 4.

FINALLY - Congrats to Coach Gamber! I have certainly seen a lot of YCP basketball over the years and always respected what Coach Gamber (and his son, Dean) have put together up their in York. He has also always treated me with the utmost respect and taken the time to chat. 400 is a huge milestone... but I wonder if he will be around YCP to get 500?????

I was remiss is not nothing this earlier myself.  Yes, Coach Gamber has always run a quality program.  He deserves a lot of credit and congratulations on reaching that milestone.

On that time out, they may have intended just to sub, but they didn't tell the ref and actually huddled for about 20 seconds, THEN decided to sub and role.  The timeout was called on the Marymount end of the court, and Catholic had barely even settled into their huddle before Marymount tried to end the timeout.  The officials never should have let Marymount back on the court anyway, but one of them did, and then eventually was overuled because at least somebody knew the rules.

Marymount called a timeout.  They did not substitute and did not indicate they wished to shorten the timeout to substitute.  Instead, they huddled up for a while.  Then, they broke and came out on the court substantially early.  It is my understanding that if they wish to shorten the timeout, a warning must sound (I think its something like 15 seconds) alerting the other team.

I'm sure that's true about the refs but last night wasn't one of those new crews.  With the exception of one official, lets call them old favorites.

I wish we wouldn't start with this stuff again in terms of putting words in my mouth.  I didn't say that about Trevino vs. Lonegan.  I said that in THIS particular game--which you were not at--Trevino was arguing every call worse than Lonergan.  I know very well that those two went at it back in the day.  And it wasn't so much that Trevino was looking for a T, it was that he was literally arguing every single call against him.  Mike and most other coaches (and usually Trevino for that matter) are a lot more strategic about it--they'll work the refs the whole game, of course, but they won't argue obvious calls that happened right in front of the officials, which was what was happening last week for whatever reason.  I'm sure Mike was just as animated as Trevino was at times last week, but I never saw Mike throw a hissy fit over such obvious calls or try to argue that a shot shouldn't count when it was taken with over a second on the clock.  If you argue every call, nobody's going to listen to you by the end of the game.


Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MuMu on December 07, 2006, 10:25:42 AM
exmu14 Past CAC 1st round was two years ago ousted MaryWash at MaryWash, Then lost a close one @CU which was from a fans point of view, a great game and great sportsmanship after the game.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 07, 2006, 10:30:39 AM
Quote from: MuMu on December 07, 2006, 09:42:18 AM
Being my first post, due to the fact of d3hoops taking years to get my account set-up.Playing for Coach Mac at MU, he has never lost his cool in a game! Honestly he would never advise anything that happen last night! However, I would not want to be the team today in practice for what happen last night. They will run untill the sun goes down as well as up. Coach MAC sweats class, and smells class daily off the court and on the court. He is best thing that has happend to the MU program, most importantly you gain your Degree, and he gets your prepared for after college!

Well--then what happened?  Why did he get himself tossed?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MuMu on December 07, 2006, 10:46:56 AM
I think after 4 years off CAC officiating Coach Mac is entitled a toss out. Coach Wood acts like an A-hole every game, Matt I think you would agree with me on that one?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 07, 2006, 10:52:15 AM
Ha.  I suppose I should be diplomatic.   I will say that of the coaches in the league, Coach Wood has the worst temper problem, how's that?

I think you have to look at these things in terms of the situation.  Its one thing to get tossed out of a game that you're getting blown out of, its quite another to have it happen in a close game that you've got a chance to win, especially with a team that you know is likely to spiral out of control.  That's why I thought last night was pretty bad.

Look, sometimes its not a bad thing to pick up a T.  If you've really been getting screwed all night, and you're trying to wake up your team, so be it.   But generally, the level of outrage should depend on the situation, don't you think?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on December 07, 2006, 11:02:19 AM
Coaches yell, with the bad officiating we all know and love, they have too. I'd be upset as a player and fan if our CAC coaches didnt yell at the refs for theier bad miscalls.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ex_mu14 on December 07, 2006, 11:22:58 AM

Being my first post, due to the fact of d3hoops taking years to get my account set-up.Playing for Coach Mac at MU, he has never lost his cool in a game! Honestly he would never advise anything that happen last night! However, I would not want to be the team today in practice for what happen last night. They will run untill the sun goes down as well as up.

Who's going to make the coach run?



ok, two years ago you guys got pass the first round.  I'm one of the biggest marymount fans/alumni and there is nothing you can say to justify what happen last night. Coach Mac wanted to get the first tech and i can understand that. Why pick up another tech with five minutes to go when you're down only four? I dont care that MU lost but its the way we lost last night and to do this against CU. Back in the day we treated the Cu game like the redskins playing against the cowboys.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MuMu on December 07, 2006, 11:34:03 AM
exMu14, if it was like the redskins cowboys back then you should have played football. That is not how it has been since your era.

For the co signing, "who will make the coach run" you know what  I mean"or when you played you were just happy people would show up to practice during your era.
Thanks

Matt,
Who looks like the front runner this year team wise?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on December 07, 2006, 11:46:32 AM
Quote from: Dave "d-mac" McHugh on December 07, 2006, 06:08:45 AM



FINALLY - Congrats to Coach Gamber! I have certainly seen a lot of YCP basketball over the years and always respected what Coach Gamber (and his son, Dean) have put together up their in York. He has also always treated me with the utmost respect and taken the time to chat. 400 is a huge milestone... but I wonder if he will be around YCP to get 500?????

D-Mac, I've already reserved the new Spartan Sky Box at the Grumbacher Center for the  February 5th 2012 game against Villa Julie where Coach Gamber will Pick up his 500th. Those who fail to plan, plan to fail. As a bonus we will also be able to congratulate YCP alum Brett Adams on his 200th win, which he will have just picked up in a game at UMW the week before.

Of course we wont be able to celebrate too much, because the right to have fun will have been taken away from us by President/Emperor Jeb Bush after he was sworn in two weeks earlier.

Oh yeah, and the power ball number will be 14-20-22-31-45 with the power ball # 05. And it might rain so take an umbrella. 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 07, 2006, 12:02:59 PM
I thought York was a solidly red place!

You're assuming that fun will still be legal until President Hillary Rodham.

MuMu, I'd say the top three this year are Mary Washington, Salisbury, and Catholic. Order TBD.  However, Hood has played very well so they're kind of a wild card.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ex_mu14 on December 07, 2006, 12:13:42 PM
I can tell and that's why they will never win the CAC MuMu. Three out of four years we reached the CAC final and the league was much tougher then.  The only banner i see on the wall at the verizon center is from 1999 with the 1st and only NCAA appearance.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MuMu on December 07, 2006, 12:26:30 PM
Matt,
Mw should have guessed that with Mike Lee and company. It seems like MW,CUA always, and then the rest of the div pending.
Thanks

exmu14 lets stay as a team hopefully you learned that in your era or if not Might give you 30 alumni game and get the W. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 07, 2006, 01:40:31 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on December 07, 2006, 09:55:46 AM
Marymount called a timeout.  They did not substitute and did not indicate they wished to shorten the timeout to substitute.  Instead, they huddled up for a while.  Then, they broke and came out on the court substantially early.  It is my understanding that if they wish to shorten the timeout, a warning must sound (I think its something like 15 seconds) alerting the other team.
Actually Matt, the team does not need to indicate they intend on making the timeout shorter. The deal is... the team who called the timeout... controls the length of the timeout. Now... this may related to the problem you mentioned with the horn not being sounded for substitutes. The initial "warning" horn sounds when the one of the following happens: time is running out in the timeout (10 or 15 seconds remaining) or when the team that has called the timeout enters back onto the court (before the time runs out). No team has to tell a ref or the table they are going to shorten the time out. However, the clock operator has to pay attention (I suspect this was the problem) and sound the horn when the team breaks the huddle (only the team who called the timeout).

So, in this case... since Marymount called the time out and decided to break it early, the horn should have sounded and CUA given what ever the time allowed is (10 or 15 seconds) to return to the court. It doesn't matter if MU was using the timeout for a sub and then huddled for 20 seconds... so be it - they acted quickly enough to get some coaching words in and not give CUA a chance to huddle... that is actually a pretty smart move.

On the opposite side of things... at the SAL/GOU game last night... Coach Trevino called a timeout and the team quickly huddled up. But, before he called the timeout there was a foul and there were subs ready to enter the game. In the confusion of indicating the foul and waving the subs in - the ref MISSED the fact Goucher called a timeout. Then, instead of hearing Coach T once again indicated he called a timeout, the ref balked... and once again kept asking if a timeout had been called.

What happened next I would say was actually smart coaching... Coach Trevino changed tactics... indicated he had not called a timeout... the refs worked to clear the court of players and coaches for both teams and continue the game. After it was all said and done... Goucher had a quick 20 second or so timeout for some coaching... and was not charged a timeout. It was the refs fault for missing an obvious timeout call... but it was a great move by Trevino to avoid losing a timeout! Strange... but true!

As for my comment about Coach Lonergan and Coach Trevino arguing... I was trying to have a little fun looking back on the "good days" of when the real fun at CUA/GOU games was watching the coaches try and out-do each other. I had no intent to argue... just a flash-back - that's all!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on December 07, 2006, 02:13:46 PM
"I thought York was a solidly red place!"

Matt,

The York area is solid red but we have a little blue haze on campus. Just a hazard of the business I believe.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on December 07, 2006, 02:46:31 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on December 07, 2006, 12:02:59 PM
I thought York was a solidly red place!

You're assuming that fun will still be legal until President Hillary Rodham.


Those of us who came here from other places tend to have a bit of a counterintuitive way of seeing things. At least according to the locals.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 07, 2006, 02:59:30 PM
Well, like you say..."haze..." It should clear.

Compared to Goucher, though, York's probably a bright red fire.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on December 07, 2006, 03:31:02 PM
Sometimes I feel a little outnumbered where I work  ;)

You never know about those "crazy" people in other departments, like development and political science :)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 07, 2006, 03:36:33 PM
Yeah, well, I'm about to be outnumbered where I work, too, you could say...

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 07, 2006, 03:43:29 PM
Quote from: MuMu on December 07, 2006, 09:42:18 AM
Being my first post, due to the fact of d3hoops taking years to get my account set-up.

All accounts are approved or denied within 12 hours of the registration. If you use a free e-mail account and don't get the message because they put it in the junk folder, that's not our problem.

With free e-mail, you get what you pay for.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MuMu on December 08, 2006, 09:50:14 AM
Pat,
Relax guy I love the site and your effort, trying to get my post number high and wish I could have been confirmed sooner.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 08, 2006, 01:38:37 PM
You were confirmed within 12 hours of registration. Dunno why it took so long for you to get the e-mail and activate it.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on December 08, 2006, 02:25:55 PM
Can't we all just get along?!?!


Anyways, cant be at the game tonight but I'm looking for the Eagles to remain undefeated and hopefully use this win to start getting them closer to top 25 team status, key word is start.

UMW 88
TCP -81

FTs make the margin bigger at the end.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on December 08, 2006, 05:09:25 PM
Live Stats from the YCP/UMW Game

http://faculty/~sguise/mbb/xlive.htm
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 08, 2006, 06:24:34 PM
Scott - love ya man... but seriously... you keep screwing that link up :).

Here is how you can see the stats live:
http://faculty.ycp.edu/~sguise/mbb/xlive.htm

You keep forgetting the ".ycp.edu" part :)!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbsquared on December 08, 2006, 09:05:07 PM
Looks like both YCP and UMW are having a little trouble hitting their threes tonight! The winner may well be whoever can have the fewest turnovers.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on December 08, 2006, 09:29:22 PM
maybe something is lost in the copy and paste.

We got a pretty good game goin' here

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on December 08, 2006, 09:31:47 PM
22 ticks left, york down three with the ball...

I love having internet access at my new home :)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on December 08, 2006, 09:37:15 PM
the plot thickens...

Matt Hale at the line for UMW, one and one, UMW up 53-52.

9.5 seconds left..

The joint is jumpin and it's a lot of fun!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on December 08, 2006, 09:39:09 PM
Hale sinks the pair to up the lead to 55-52 with 9.5 left,
York ball
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on December 08, 2006, 09:40:24 PM
final from York

umw 55-YCP 52
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on December 08, 2006, 10:10:59 PM
A gutty effort from the Sparts tonight but they drop a close one. At one point they were up 44-41 and then UMW scored 9 straight to make it 50-44. UMW made some big FTs at the end and YC was unable to get the last three off before the buzzer.

This team is close folks. It's a lot to ask a bunch of guys who have only played garbage time together to come out of the gate on fire. The shots aren't all falling yet, and from time to time someone misses an assignment on D, but it is still so early. These guys could be a real pain in the ass to someone down the stretch, especially in the new Wolf, which was really hoppin' tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on December 08, 2006, 11:25:18 PM
Final Box Score from York - Mary Washington Game:

http://www.ycp.edu/sports/mens_basketball/2006/YCPMBB07.HTM

The Spartans played very hard and it was difficult to face a rested Mary Washington team with only one day to prepare (York hosted Gallaudet on Wednesday) for a very talented Eagle team.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 09, 2006, 12:34:49 AM
Wow, Mary Wash didn't exactly shoot well.  Was it an off night for the Eagles, or did York play very good defense?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on December 09, 2006, 01:02:36 AM
I think it was a little of both. The Spartans played very hard and I think the Grumbacher Center is going to be a tough place to play when the crowd is into it. I think it was hard for York to prepare a team that doesn't have a ton of experience to play against Mary Wash with one day to prepare. UMW doesn't really play like many of the teams we see during the year.
It was a really entertaining game despite the low shooting percentages.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on December 09, 2006, 01:34:34 AM
Scott, shouldn't you be in bed???
We just made it home, ONE frickin lane over the Wilson Bridge. You'd think a bus company would know that.

Anyway, BIG kudos to York for their facility - very nice, and a great atmosphere. I was taking pics near the students, and they were quite funny and nothing classless, from what I heard, you know just comments about long sideburns and that type of thing. The floor seemed kinda dark, but maybe that was because of the white walls.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 09, 2006, 01:57:31 AM
Yes, you would think that! Could have gone around the Beltway the other way.

I always wished they would schedule CUA to play at York on a weekend so we could make the trip. 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cugrad on December 09, 2006, 08:23:50 AM
GO CARDS!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MuMu on December 09, 2006, 09:38:49 AM
Great win for MW, I have mu by 7 today, Cua by 6 will make it close always hard to bounce back after the mu/cua game. Enjoy the weekend.

Pat you the man brother
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on December 09, 2006, 10:34:32 AM
ok, so i was off on the final score but was right on the FTs at the end. Of course, YCP seems to be playing all close games. Glad to see MW get to 6-0 for the first time. Can't wait to see MW vs CUA when the time comes, I hope the senior led MW can push the issue and stay mentally tough and with luck keep on top of the league.

Go Eagles!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycpfinal4 on December 09, 2006, 04:39:51 PM
The Spartans lost because their shooting percentage was horrific.  Folland should have played more minutes after grabbing 6 boards, contributing 2 buckets, and earning 1 assist for a 3 pointer in only 4 minutes of action.  Chad McGowan played very solid.  15 points, 12 boards.  York needs to work on their shot selection.  If they begin to play together and take smarter shots,  which will both eventually happen in some form, or fashion, they will be a tough team to beat.  The CAC is wide open.  Mary Wash played a better game....good win....entertaining game to watch.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on December 09, 2006, 07:09:21 PM
Salisbury Seagulls - 74
@ Gallaudet Bison - 60

Halftime - Seagulls led 33-32
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: njlincolnlion on December 09, 2006, 10:49:19 PM
Congrats to the Salisbury Seagulls!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 09, 2006, 10:59:28 PM
Catholic lost to Hood 79-73.

Lets call this tough love:  You don't deserve to win a game if you MISS 15 free throws.   Catholic shot 18-33 from the free throw line.   If they had shot 72%, this would have been a tied game.  54% isn't going to cut it.

Otherwise, Hood was very, very impressive until the last couple of minutes.  I truly think they are one of the best teams in the league.  They can do everything--they have great size, good quickness.  The did struggle when Catholic switched to a zone on them with a few minutes left, but in the first half they had nailed 7-10 from three so I can understand the reticence to not play man.  But they shot 50% for the game, worked very hard for good shots with a lot of patience.  Obviously very well coached.

Catholic got 27 from Fumai, but 25 of it was in the first half.  Dwyer was in foul trouble, still got 19, but other than that there wasn't any stand out performances.  Turnovers weren't as much of a problem, but interior defense was. 

The one negative for Hood is that they almost couldn't have done a WORSE job closing out the game.  They were up by 10 and should have cruised, but instead commited a series of dumb fouls, and on offense didn't work the clock AT ALL--took quick shots, etc.  That allowed Catholic to get back in it and at least make them work for it at the end.  But, God, the Cardinals had a series of open looks from 3 that they just flat out missed.  They were 2-12 from 3 in the second half, and with a couple exceptions all of them were good shots.  A few rimmed out, etc.  Ball would not fall for them. 

Still, has to be a disappointing loss for the Cardinals and an impressive one for Hood.  I'll tell you one thing I liked--unlike Goucher, they didn't act like they won the 7th game of the NBA Finals afterward, they shaked and moved on.  That's the sign of a team that expects to win more, and they will.

If Catholic had hit its free throws, and maybe had an open shot or two go in, they win.  But they didn't.  So it goes.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on December 10, 2006, 10:53:04 AM
wow....so much for the conference being wide open. Of course it still is, with only 3 conference games being played by the Eagles but York and CUA have had early losses in the league while MW has stayed clean, SAL has been good, and Hood is looking like it will be a good replacement for CUA in the CAC. Should point out MW beat Hood by 16 earlier in the season and won at YCP. Things are shaking up. We'll have to wait until after winter break to really see how the CAC shapes up.
Go Eagles!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on December 10, 2006, 01:22:06 PM
It should be pointed out that UMW plays 11 of their first 12 games away from Goolrick... 5-0 on the road so far, but a few tough away games between now and when CAC play starts back up.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 10, 2006, 01:24:03 PM
Yeah, I think it is very safe to conclude that Mary Washington has emerged--not at all surprisingly, at least to me--as the team to beat.

Salisbury is right behind them.  After that...who knows.

There are a bunch of quality teams that need to adjust and grow.

Looks like Marymount might be spiraling out of control...they should not have lost to Goucher.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 10, 2006, 06:53:32 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on December 10, 2006, 01:24:03 PM
Yeah, I think it is very safe to conclude that Mary Washington has emerged--not at all surprisingly, at least to me--as the team to beat.

Salisbury is right behind them.  After that...who knows.

There are a bunch of quality teams that need to adjust and grow.

Looks like Marymount might be spiraling out of control...they should not have lost to Goucher.
Matt - I would agree with some of that,  but your comment about Goucher doesn't make sense. They beat the Cardinals in the SRC South and the Cardinals beat the Saints. That simple equation adds up to Goucher being a favorite over the Saints at the Phone Booth. Also, everyone keeps assuming the Gophers are the same team, or only slightly better, than last year's team. They aren't. They are far better and that is being shown in the results. In eight games this season, they have won more than they did in 27 last season. I said it earlier... Marymount is going to be near the bottom and Goucher will probably finish with a .500 conference record.

So far, Hood has been the shocking team. I knew Coach Dickman had a solid team when I saw them twice, earlier this year. However, with the win over CUA... they have shown that they are completely ready for this conference. If no one takes them seriously, they could sneak into a top-four slot this year.

Salisbury - their result over Gallaudet pretty much confirms my feeling about them. They are a team that plays to their contenders level. Yes, they have won and will probably continue to do so. However, if they play that way the rest of the season, they are going to take some bad wins and pretty much play themselves out of a conference title and a possible tournament berth. Salisbury can be a very good team, but they need to learn how to play above the sub-par teams and put them away early. If they keep playing tight games all season long... they are going to be exhausted come playoff time.

UMW certainly looks good... and starting the season with 11 of 12 games on the road is certainly a tough, but rewarding way to start the year. If they continue to play well away from Goolrick and then return and protect the home court... they are going to have a very impressive record and will be the cream of the crop.

And to agree with another poster... things are pretty much up in the air right now... come mid-January when we are looking at the heart of conference play starting up again... we could be looking at a dog-fight.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on December 10, 2006, 07:47:27 PM
 ;D

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: unreallawns on December 10, 2006, 09:39:18 PM
Salisbury has proven to be a strong 2nd half team.  They've had two tough road losses and the VWU game was tight up until the end.  The game at GU was close at halftime but they took care of business in the second half and won by 14.  Occasionally they might play down to competition but they always play up to it as well.  SU will take care of business and more than likely be battling Mary Wash for the conference title.  UMW is the obvious favorite and they should be.  They are undefeated.  SU is right there.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 10, 2006, 09:39:50 PM
D-Mac...

Frankly, because there is a substantial talent gap between Marymount and Goucher.  Marymount is far, far more talented.  We'll never know, but if you asked every coach in the league, I bet every single one of them (with the exception maybe of Coach Trevino, since its his team), would agree.

Based solely on talent, Marymount should NOT be at the bottom of the league.  Now, as a Catholic fan, I know more than anybody that the most talented team does not always win.  God knows that the 2001 Catholic Cardinals were not even close to the most talented team in Division 3.  Obviously that is the case here--and that makes two W's in a row for Goucher in which they weren't the more talented team.  So, that makes it even better for them.

Salisbury--I still haven't seen them, but at this level, who DOESN'T play down to their competition?  I mean, Catholic certainly did against Goucher, Mary Washington did against York (they are more than 3 points better, even on the road).  I'm not sure I would hold that against them so much.  We'll see, I have to withold more than that until I see them.

I think you may even be underselling Hood--"could sneak into a top four slot."  I think they ARE a top 4 team.  Who has shown that they are better than Hood, other than Mary Washington and maybe Salisbury?  In fact, as far as I'm concerned, only one of their losses really even means anything, because they played McDaniel in back to back games, and McDaniel is decent.  And their other loss was to the consensus best team in the league.

You touched on something earlier that I meant to agree with you with about St. Mary's.  Coaching is a big problem.  I'm sure Chris Harney is a nice guy, but he's all over the place during the game.  You can't have a coach getting so discouraged when something goes bad, the players see that.  He's got no control whatsoever over that team.  The only really bad team in the league should be Gallaudet (sorry Bison, nothing personal!), nobody else should be awful, but...St. Mary's is getting really close.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 11, 2006, 06:04:12 AM
Just a thought... but if you want to win in college basketball and especially get to the tournament... you can't play DOWN to any team. Salisbury's habit this season of playing to every team's level has both been good and bad.

The loss to VWU was close and SAL certainly played well. That is a great example of playing UP to your competition. That could lead to a couple of good wins. However, when SAL plays DOWN to their competition, they are going to lose games they shouldn't (we can already point to a few this year).

Matt - as for your comments about Marymount and Goucher, I see what you are talking about. I agree that on paper - Marymount certainly should be better. However in the last decade of watching Saints basketball, I can say (and I bet you would agree) that Marymount has NEVER played as well as their talent would suggest. It is truely their downfall. I don't know if it is coaching to blame; the fact the men's program as Marymount is pretty much ignored; or that the "talent" they get... never figures out how to play as a team (sometimes the best talent can't figure out how to stop playing as individuals).

As for my Hood comments... I am just not convinced they are ready for the entire grind of the conference schedule. Remember, they program is only four years old and has never played in a conference at this level. They are a good team; Coach Dickman has done a very good job and shown he can coach at this level with success; and the team has size and good shooting... oh and plays defense! However, I think by the time we get into late January and February, the schedule might get to them. As we all know, playing the conference schedule in December compared to February can be like night and day. I think Hood "sneaks" into a spot because I also think some teams may not take them seriously and never consider them a threat come February.

Anyway... we shall see... it will be interesting to watch... as this season continues (HA, I kill me!!!).
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on December 11, 2006, 08:31:12 AM
Agreed, February is classic CAC basketball. As another poster says, Hood might not be able to handle the schedule come that time. We know they've been fairing well as a team but has anyone seen them enough to give us a scouting report on position play? We seem to know the other rosters fairly well but I've heard nothing on individual play on Hood.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: sunny on December 11, 2006, 09:48:12 AM
Quote from: Dave "d-mac" McHugh on December 11, 2006, 06:04:12 AM
However in the last decade of watching Saints basketball, I can say (and I bet you would agree) that Marymount has NEVER played as well as their talent would suggest.

I'll second that.  They should have dominated the league with Crawley and company (including one semi-frequent poster on this board). 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 11, 2006, 10:13:46 AM
Quote from: mwgoonie on December 11, 2006, 08:31:12 AM
Agreed, February is classic CAC basketball. As another poster says, Hood might not be able to handle the schedule come that time. We know they've been fairing well as a team but has anyone seen them enough to give us a scouting report on position play? We seem to know the other rosters fairly well but I've heard nothing on individual play on Hood.

Ok, well since I have now seen them play, what I saw was that they like to get the ball inside to #55, Gutekunst, who is a bit of a monster--he had a substantial size advantage against both Dwyer and Wheeler and used it.  Basically just backed down, pushed his substantial butt out and got close to the basket for easy scores.  Key is to pressure him and keep him away from the basket.  His backup is Uzoukwu, #45, who also has really good size and unlike Gutekunst, moves pretty well.  I don't know that he's a great scorer, but a good rebounder and certainly more than adequate for a backup Center at this level.

Jughans is their three point threat, but Robine, who plays forward and his good size, can also hit from 3.  That presents matchup problems.  Between Scott, Edmonds, Legrand and Bennett, they put a lot of pressure on the ball.  The guards have to really, really work to get the ball up the court.  All those guys are very quick.  I don't really think they can shoot, but they don't have to.

So overall they have a lot of balance and they can do just about everything.

They put a lot of pressure on the
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MuMu on December 11, 2006, 01:58:56 PM
Wow Hood college. Big Win at Mu for Cua but to be the best you must play every night. How wa sthe crowd at the game?

Whats MaryWash doing better then the other teams in the CAC, have not been able to see them play yet.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on December 11, 2006, 03:07:37 PM
MW is a better TEAM and they don't make mental mistakes. It doesn't hurt that they have at least three (Lee, Baker, and Fitzgerald) players that could/can be THE guy. Throw Pierce in the mix too. However, like many other good but not "great" MW teams, they rely on the 3-ball. When they went to the NCAA tourney a few years back, they had two guys that could really play inside: Dan Dupras and Cris Hairston (now an asst. coach with them). Not sure if they have the size this year to maintain their inside presence. They certainly haven't been hitting the charity stripe, which you'll see in good inside teams (see CUA). This team is especially athletic, however. they also have a strong core group of starters with good bench help.

Oh, and let's not get started on the coaching.....ha.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on December 11, 2006, 04:42:41 PM
Quote from: mwgoonie on December 11, 2006, 03:07:37 PM
(I'm) Not sure if they have the size this year to maintain their inside presence.

I was surprised when I saw their lack of size that York didn't try and take it inside against them. There were a few points in Friday's game where they were giving up 3 or 4 inches at all five spots on the floor.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 11, 2006, 05:04:14 PM
Yeah, that's one reason why I think CUA has a shot against them.  Dwyer/Wheeler should be able to pound the ball inside, and Fumai presents matchup problems.

But if Mary Washington is firing on all cylinders, they're still going to be hard to beat.

I thought they'd be really good just based on the fact that they were good last year and lost the least out of anybody.

It was a pretty good crowd for an early season game.  In fact, there has been a noticeable uptick in attendence at Catholic games so far this season.  I'm not around the campus enough to know why.  They are now charging for admission for everybody--can't get in without a ticket, which allows them to track attendence.  Through the first two games, CUA is averaging over 1,500 fans a game which is pretty good, especially for Nov/December.  Maybe its a little below York, but I bet that's probably good for second in the league at least.  Attendence wasn't listed for the Hood game for some reason.

Come February, the place will be packed and really loud, that's for sure. 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ex_mu14 on December 11, 2006, 08:58:24 PM

I agree, but the CAC was a lot stronger back then.  Every night on the road was a dog fight.  We always had problems with players failing out after one semster. You can have all the talent in the world but you still have to play as a team.  It would take us until the CAC playoffs every year before we started playing good basketball. I remember some big wins on the road in the CAC playoffs to reach the finals. In 2002 we were 19-9 and one lost was to Georgetown. 

Like I posted earlier, MU Men's basketball program will always be second as long as coach Finney is there.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: muchacho on December 12, 2006, 12:02:21 AM
Matt...You remember before the season when I said Catholic's problem would be the absence of a 3rd scorer.
For the year so far Fumai is putting up 20.6, Dwyer at 15.1, and then your next option is Wasilenko at just 8.8.
Then take a look at Mary Wash with 6 players averaging double figures, but not one guy over 13.5. They have also had 5 different players lead their team in scoring in just 6 games. There is a reason that UMW is looking like the team to beat right now.
While Fumai and Dwyer are great players, there just isn't the depth at Catholic that the program is used to playing with.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 12, 2006, 12:30:45 AM
Well, it either isn't there, or it hasn't developed consistantly.

See, in the games that they've won, it HAS been there.  Was has been over 10 points, they've gotten major contributions from some freshman, etc.

But the key here is Papageorge.  He was hurt, missed the first few games, and just has been a total non-factor thus far.  That's what has to change.  There's no reason in the world he can't break double digits consistantly.  He's a quality player and a good shooter--even a clutch shooter.  But so far he hasn't found any kind of rhythm at all, and CUA has been involved in some real dogfights where they need their best five on the floor as much as possible, so they haven't had the luxury of letting him work it out.  But Papageorge is the key to the entire offense.

What they have is a bunch of a young players.  The season is long enough that with so many freshman, you don't neccesarily end up with what you started with.   So far, Reinhold, Sparrow, Hager and Quinn have all shown flashes here or there.   The question is how much they can progress, and can Papageorge reestablish himself.  Olivero hit the two biggest shots of the Marymount game--he's mostly known for his defense, but he can score too.

A team like Mary Washington has a huge advantage because they're starting at a different place--ahead of the game.  They have a lot less far to go to get to a consistantly good level.

Its no surprise that the season has started like this, but it doesn't have to fortell the way it ends. 



Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: TheGrove on December 12, 2006, 09:21:38 AM
Quote from: ex_mu14 on December 11, 2006, 08:58:24 PM
Like I posted earlier, MU Men's basketball program will always be second as long as coach Finney is there.

I think the problem with Finney is that his success as the women's basketball coach (and let's face it, the man can coach) overshadows his shortcomings as AD. No one in the administration will see the lack of attention given to other teams, they'll just see the string of CAC titles, NCAA tournament appearances, and so on by the women's team.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MuMu on December 12, 2006, 10:32:07 AM
mwgoonie what happend to the one kid you had that just blocked shots he started as a freshman.

Coach Finney program n past years have been strong, if the men's was like that they would be up there to.Coach Finney is a mastermind

Use CUA for example the mens team has to get more love then the womens team because they winnnn
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on December 12, 2006, 01:01:40 PM
Mumu, what year was he a freshman?
I believe your thinking of Josh Wilson? He was really athletic, he was the Truth. But he hasnt been on the roster for a year or so, we need Clint to clarify that one.
We could use him around now....he'd be a senior with Lee and Fitz.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on December 12, 2006, 02:11:39 PM
The live stats link for tonight's York - Juniata Game

http://faculty.ycp.edu/~sguise/mbb/xlive.htm

Dave, I made sure to include the ycp.edu part!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MuMu on December 12, 2006, 05:05:14 PM
Yeah that's the kids name, I think that would have solved any inside problems. The kid from york and him would be a great macthup to wacth.

Hood college just blows my mind.. Any one coming into the CAC for their first year and do this is out of state out of mind. Who do they have?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MuMu on December 12, 2006, 05:09:33 PM
Goucher College had 35 turnovers against MU and they still won, so i went to the rebounding that could be an issue. Corey Diamond will pick up on the boards when he is back in the line up.
Any early predictions of top 5 playes in the CAC??
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on December 12, 2006, 09:15:27 PM
Final from York,

York 70-Juniata 57

Chad McGowan goes over the 1,000 career point mark with his field goal with 8:54 left in the first half. He ends the game with his sixth double-double of the year with 29 points and 11 rebounds.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on December 12, 2006, 09:40:07 PM
A really good all around game for YCP tonight, and a big moment for Chad McGowan who goes over 1000 points in his career. When it's all said and done Chad may be the best ever to put on the green and white.

Most importantly, however, was the way the team played together tonight, and they way they started to stick the outside shots against Juniata's zone. They passed well and played really good D and had their most complete game of the year. After McGowan's 29 and 11 the Sparts got big game from Joe Yeck who had 11 points and 6 assists. First year Spartan Nate Lankford played a very balanced game putting up 13 points grabbing 8 boards and pulling in 4 steals. Nick Brady continues to impress off the bench, tallying 10 points, 4 boards and 3 assists in only 19 minuets.

With as well as they played tonight, they still have a lot more to show us. Nate Fry saw his first minuets of the season, and when he gets back I think we'll see a more fluid execution of Coach's motion offense. Also, as Brady starts to be a bit more selfish and look to shoot rather then pass when he is open, he will bring a lot to the table.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on December 12, 2006, 09:46:08 PM
Box score from the York game..

http://www.ycp.edu/sports/mens_basketball/2006/YCPMBB08.HTM
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 12, 2006, 10:31:39 PM
Best EVER to play for York!

Oh man, I bet you're going to get an argument on that! 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on December 12, 2006, 11:15:28 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on December 12, 2006, 10:31:39 PM
Best EVER to play for York!

Oh man, I bet you're going to get an argument on that! 

Easy Matt. I said "when it's all said and done he may be the best." I've been around York College hoops for a while and I've seen a lot of great players from Dan Johnson and Jeff Landis to Andy O'brien and Bushy & Fass. Chad is still just 8 games into his third year. I am willing to wait another 50 or 60 games until I say anything for sure.  In the end the numbers are only one part of it, the other things take some time to quantify.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 13, 2006, 12:07:58 AM
Well, I didn't say you'd get an argument from me--I don't know them well enough.  But I do remember the reverence for Andy O'Brien on here...
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on December 13, 2006, 09:01:20 AM
There's plenty of reason to have reverence for a guy who scores more than 2000 points in a career. Andy was a real special player, and all four of his years are in the books so we can look back at his career. Chad is only 70 games into his career, so we have to wait and see.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: BisonFan on December 13, 2006, 10:31:06 AM
Hey any body seen Gallaudet's Luther Weedon?
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Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: BisonFan on December 13, 2006, 10:33:35 AM
HAS ANYBODY SEEN GALLAUDET'S LUTHER WEEDON????????????????
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on December 13, 2006, 11:33:37 AM
Speaking of top players in the CAC and all time scoring. Mike Lee currently sits at 6th all time at MW with 1,284 points. He needs just 261 to take 2nd place alltime, something he should do this year. First place is a bit more difficult at nearly 600 points behind the leader. Either way, he'll be a top five all time scorer, he already owns the 3pt FGM all time, as well as 3pt fg attempted.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on December 13, 2006, 02:03:03 PM
That brings up a good question. Who is the leading scorer in the CAC history? It would have to be a guy who played all of his seasons in the CAC not before the conference was formed. York's all time leading scorer is O'brien with 2,001. Who is everyone else's leader since joining the CAC?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on December 13, 2006, 02:03:37 PM
Is he missing?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on December 13, 2006, 03:52:16 PM
Link to espn's article about VMI playing still with references to Lincoln (pa.) 201 point game among other things....

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/columns/story?id=2695665&lpos=spotlight&lid=tab5pos1
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: unreallawns on December 13, 2006, 04:26:33 PM
SU's leading scorer since joining the CAC is Casey Musik with 1207.  Segun Odumeru will pass that this season.  He currently has 1149.  Ray Williams might eclipse that mark as well.  SU's all time leading scorer is Andre Foreman who is also D3's all time leading scorer with 2940.  He is also the school's leading rebounder with 1313.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 13, 2006, 04:58:54 PM
Catholic's leading scorer in the CAC era is John Douglas, with 1774.   Will Morley (1727), Pat Maloney (1648) and Matt Hilleary (1622) are right behind him.

Right now, Pat Dwyer has 880, and Scott Fumai has 823.  Fumai scored only 27 points as a freshman, Dwyer had 167.  Both should easily pass 1000 this season, barring injury.  Question will be whether they make the top 20--right now it would take 1147 to crack Catholic's top 20.  (Pat Satalin is 22nd, by the way).  #1 is Bob Adrian 2289.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 13, 2006, 10:35:08 PM
I'm sure it's Goucher's David Clark. I have yet to see a player in the CAC that tops him for best in league history.

In fact, that reminds me of a loudmouth Goucher fan from this board in the late '90s or early '00s who was mouthing off that Bakari Ward was the best player in CAC history. Never mind that he wasn't even the best Goucher player in league history. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycpfinal4 on December 13, 2006, 10:46:12 PM
Chad McGowan is the beastliest player in the CAC right now.  Can anyone slow him down?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: sunny on December 13, 2006, 10:52:12 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 13, 2006, 10:35:08 PM
I'm sure it's Goucher's David Clark. I have yet to see a player in the CAC that tops him for best in league history.

In fact, that reminds me of a loudmouth Goucher fan from this board in the late '90s or early '00s who was mouthing off that Bakari Ward was the best player in CAC history. Never mind that he wasn't even the best Goucher player in league history. :)

Never mind that, for all of his scoring his junior and senior year (he didn't even start his first two years), he may not have even been the most important player on those teams.  He was the top scorer - and a great one at that - but (D-Mac might call me crazy), I always felt Mike Doyle's all-around game had a bigger impact on those teams.  Doyle could have put up a lot more points if he had been asked to.  Also, I'm not sure how good those teams would have been without Vince Williams at point.  Didn't have the numbers or recognition, but his defense was tremendous and he was a classic "game manager" at the point.  (I'm talking the 97-98 and 98-99 teams here; post-Durkovic.)

Unfortunately, the only time I ever saw Clark play was in an alumni game, but from all accounts he absolutely carried his Goucher teams to a lot of wins.  On top of that, he was the one player who clearly put Goucher men's basketball on the map in those early years not long after the school went co-ed.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: BisonFan on December 14, 2006, 08:37:06 AM
Quote from: kitchenrat on December 13, 2006, 02:03:37 PM
Is he missing?

I havent seen him play this season, what up wit dat! He's a beast!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on December 15, 2006, 08:22:30 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 13, 2006, 10:35:08 PM
I'm sure it's Goucher's David Clark. I have yet to see a player in the CAC that tops him for best in league history.


Clark was an amazing player. I still remember the show he put on in the kitchen in the '95 CAC title game. It was a sad day, for us.


D-Mac - What is Clarks all time total?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbsquared on December 16, 2006, 04:30:15 PM
Mary Wash goes down to Shenandoah by 6 to end their season opening winning streak. Shenandoah now ups their record to .500. UMW was out rebounded and out shot. They also showed a marked propensity to stay off the FT line once again. That's just a reflection of the outside offense.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 16, 2006, 09:36:49 PM
What????

Well, goes to show...nobody's immune from a bad night or two.  Such is college basketball.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on December 18, 2006, 09:05:10 PM
UMW rebounds with a 76-64 win at McDaniel
Justin Baker 22 pts, 9 reb
Jon Pierce 12 pts, 10 reb
AJ 11 pts

Eagles will visit Embry Riddle, who is ranked 6th in NAIA, in their next game, on Dec. 28.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 18, 2006, 10:42:43 PM
Well I'm a complete and total moron.

I just totally mixed up the Catholic schedule and missed the game tonight.  For some reason I thought it was Wednesday.  I made plans with my wife to go and everything.  Oops.  Granted, with a wife that's  8 months pregnant things are getting tougher, but that really annoys me.  I wanted to see this one.

Anyway, the game was tonight.  And the Cardinals beat Villa Julie, 77-67, led by Scott Fumai's 23 points and Pat Dwyer's 19 and 13 rebounds.  Perhaps most interestingly, given our discussion about Catholic needing a third scorer, Nick Olivero started--and chipped in with 16 points!  Could he be that consistent third option?  He's certainly played well in the last few games.  He is also a member of CUA's football team, which can't be overlooked because he joined the team late, after the season had already started.  So Nick is just now getting ramped up.

In terms of POY, by the way, Fumai is averaging 20.9 ppg, 7.7 rpg.  Dwyer's at 15.3 ppg, 10.4 rpg.  Lots of basketball left, but both those guys are worthy of serious consideration.  I think if you add McGowan and Williams, you've pretty much got your top 5 POY candidates right there.

This one was a wire to wire win...Catholic never trailed.  Cardinals are off until Jan. 3, when they host future Landmark Conference foe Susquehanna.  SU has been impressive so far and is off to a 6-2 start, so that should be a good game.

This time, maybe I'll get the date right.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: TheGrove on December 19, 2006, 09:11:24 AM
Matt, I hope you do make that game - I'll be looking forward to hearing what you think of SU.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on December 19, 2006, 01:04:23 PM
Nice rebound by the Eagles. Now they are 7-1, 6-1 on the road, and 3-0 in the conference, niiiiiiiiiiccccceeeeee..... Still they have nothing but road games ahed of them. What a good team they are, we certainly dont have to worry about finding scorers, we have 5 people averaging double digits and a 6th nearly there( Whitowrth is at 9.5 ppg).  As long as they don't go completely cold, like the game vs Shenandoah, they float to the top of the CAC like the cream rises to the top of the milk pail. Well, you get my meaning.

Happy Holidays!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 19, 2006, 02:14:02 PM
I haven't seen them yet this year, but it would seem to me that the way to beat Mary Washington would be to take the ball to the hoop and pound it inside.

Actually, the Eagles really were not cold against Shenandoah--they shot 47%, 48% in the second half.   They were good from 3...9 makes at 38%.   They won turnovers +3.

Where they lost was rebounds (-6) and free throws.  The Eagles were 7-11, Hornets 20-26.  It looks Shenandoah basically kept taking the ball to the basket and taking advantage of Mary Washington's lack of size.

Now, I'm not saying that its going to be easy to execute that strategy, but from afar, at least, that looks like the way it can be done.  McGowan had a nice enough game against Mary Washington, but York got almost nothing else.  They still nearly won.  Will the Dwyer/Fumai/Wheeler group for Catholic fare better?  I do think Fumai and Dwyer are a more dynamic scoring duo than what York has, and Dwyer has made 11 3's, which means you can't leave him open at the top of the key.

It should make for an interesting matchup, but both teams have a bunch of tough games ahead. 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on December 29, 2006, 09:12:31 AM
The Holidays have come and gone and now it's time to wrap up 2006 with some basketball. Tonight at 6 the Spartans will take on Susquehanna followed by St. John Fisher and SUNY Cortland at 8. It will be interesting to see how well the other three teams are represented and if the new building is a draw during semester break.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on December 29, 2006, 07:58:39 PM
Final from York..

York 84-Susquehanna 69

Details after the SJF - Cortland Game

Box
http://www.ycp.edu/sports/mens_basketball/2006/YCPMBB09.HTM
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycpfinal4 on December 30, 2006, 06:04:24 PM
Any word from the G-Spot.....did York win?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on December 30, 2006, 06:24:46 PM
Final from York.

St. John Fisher ends York's 13-game in-season tournament game win streak with a 77-63 victory. York didn't shoot the ball very well while the Cardinal depth hurt York. SJF's bench outscored York 33-6 in the game.

Box score:
http://www.ycp.edu/sports/mens_basketball/2006/YCPMBB10.HTM
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on December 30, 2006, 06:25:30 PM
Oh, and SJF held a 47-26 edge on the glass.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: TheGrove on January 03, 2007, 11:02:14 AM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on December 18, 2006, 10:42:43 PM
This one was a wire to wire win...Catholic never trailed.  Cardinals are off until Jan. 3, when they host future Landmark Conference foe Susquehanna.  SU has been impressive so far and is off to a 6-2 start, so that should be a good game.

This time, maybe I'll get the date right.

Hey Matt, that game's tonight.  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 03, 2007, 02:38:16 PM
Ha. Yes, indeed.

I'm planning on being there if all goes well.  I'm getting over (another) kidney stone episode.

Should be a good game.  I was surprised at how easily York handled Susquehanna.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on January 03, 2007, 03:28:14 PM
Live Stats for tonight's York - Kings game at 8:00 pm

http://faculty.ycp.edu/~sguise/mbb/xlive.htm

Stats will go live shortly before tip
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: TheGrove on January 03, 2007, 03:36:11 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on January 03, 2007, 02:38:16 PM
Ha. Yes, indeed.

I'm planning on being there if all goes well.  I'm getting over (another) kidney stone episode.

Should be a good game.  I was surprised at how easily York handled Susquehanna.

Sorry to hear about the kidney stones. My best friend had an episode a couple years ago, and he was pretty miserable.  :(

I was surprised at the York outcome too, but I'm hoping that was just rust. Although your guys will be coming off a fair layoff of their own, no? Catholic-SU has always been a bit of a surprise to me over the past few years.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cuabigdog on January 03, 2007, 08:49:34 PM
after being down 11 at the break Catholic rebounds to come away with a 2 point victory 78-76 over Susquehanna at CUA's DuFour Center tonight on a last second shot by papageorge.. papa ended with 13 and  pat dwyer had 18 and scott fumai led CUA with 22... SU falls to 7-4 and CUA moves to 8-2. CUA returns to action in the Catholic University Classic at the Dufour on Sat jan 6
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 03, 2007, 10:26:30 PM
What an incredible game at DuFour tonight.  A true tale of two halves.  In the first half, Susquehanna dictated the pace and tempo of the game, got Catholic into a mode where they got away from their strengths and played to SU's style.  In the second half, Catholic got back to playing their brand of basketball, pounded the ball inside and asserted themselves before winning it on a great play by Fumai and Papageorge.

In the first half, SU shot an incredible 66%.  They racked up 45 points.  Catholic trailed by as much as 19 before getting it down to 11 at halftime.  SU opened up in a full court trap, which flustered Catholic for the first few posessions (10-2 run).  But then Cathlolic started beating the press and got down the court for easy baskets, forcing SU out of the zone.

SU hit some ridiculous shots, almost circus stuff.  I couldn't believe some of it went in, which was what gave me hope--nobody shoots like that for an entire game.  Yes, the Harlem Globetrotters have played on CUA's court, but outside of that I wasn't buying it.

SU did cool down in the 2nd half, but they were still great from 3--(7-13).  But Catholic finally starting using their natural height advantage and got the ball in to Dwyer.  They opened things up outside for Fumai.  Catholic also absolutely killed SU on the glass---offensive rebounds were 16-3 (zone defense), and 37-21 overall.

So, we ended up with a 76-76 game.  Catholic missed a shot with 15 seconds left.  SU went down the court, and to nobody's surprise Robinson drove the lane and got a decent look.  He missed, and Wheeler got the rebound with less than 5 seconds left.  No TO for Catholic, they got the ball to Fumai who drove down the court.  With 1 and half seconds or so on the clock he went up for what I thought was a shot, but he actually passed the ball over to Papageorge, who had been trailing the play but pulled even.  Papageorge had a pretty good luck, extremely quick release, and got the shot off right at the buzzer.  It rolled around the rim and went in.

Robinson led all scorers with 29, Cuff also had 24.  For Catholic, Fumai had 25 and Dwyer 15.  The difference between before and after the break for Papageorge was night and day.  He was a totally different player.  I think he's finally gotten over his ankle injury.  He had 13 points, looked quick up and down the court and played good defense.  That's huge for CUA.

I was obviously impressed with SU's shooting ability.  That was one of the best shooting performances I've ever seen, as a matter of fact.  If you give Robinson ANY space, he'll bury you.  That kind of shooting will give you a chance to beat anybody.  But overall, they are way too reliant on outside shots.  They have no real inside game and no answer for bigger teams--if they play zone they get killed on the glass.  #50 in particular got some minutes of the bench and really looked bad. 

I've rarely complained about the officiating this year, but I was very displeased with the way this game was called.  The officials swallowed their whistles for a large part of this game.  Catholic's big guys were getting clawed, scratched and grabbed and inside and nothing was called.  I think it finally got out of hand when Dwyer was clearly bumped from behind on the elbow as he took a shot in the lane and there was no call, and from then on things tightened up some.  But that certainly didn't help Catholic any.  A team with a significant size disadvantage needs that kind of officiated to allow them to defend inside.  Also--FINALLY the officials called an illegal screen, but SU was doing it all night.  If they happened to get a crew they was even vaguely aware of what a legal screen looked like, they'd be in trouble.

Anyway, I'm glad that didn't turn out to be a deciding factor.  CUA-and SU have already played some great games, so this is going to be a good conference rivarly.  They play hard and they play the right way.

Next up is the annual Pepsi Classic for the Cards. They have Methodist on Saturday--they are having a strange, up and down kind of season so we'll see what happens.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on January 03, 2007, 10:45:46 PM
York defeats Kings 91-87 at the Grumbacher Center

Game box
http://www.ycp.edu/sports/mens_basketball/2006/YCPMBB11.HTM
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 03, 2007, 11:36:35 PM
Boy, night after night, McGowan and Fumai are putting on a show.  25 for Scott tonight, 27 for Chad.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on January 04, 2007, 09:59:45 AM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on January 03, 2007, 11:36:35 PM
Boy, night after night, McGowan and Fumai are putting on a show.  25 for Scott tonight, 27 for Chad.

The Spartan team that beet Kings College last night definitely had a different feel to it than what we saw in some of the early games. With Nate Fry getting some minutes (and putting up 10 points in 15 minutes off the bench) they had a bit more of a spark.

McGowan had a big night to be sure, but it wasn't even the best he can play. He was 9-10 from the line which accounted, in part, for his higher than normal scoring total, so that is a big plus. But, for one of the few times this year he didn't put up a double double. It's scary when 27 points 8 boards (including 5 on the offensive glass) isn't an above average game for a guy 11 games into his Jr year.

As for the game as a whole, the Sparts played well and were ahead for about 38 minutes of game time. At times the lead was in double figures, but one look at the shooting percentages shows that both teams where putting in just about everything, and at times both teams went on runs. York was one bucket under 50% (29-60) but shot 8-13 from 3 in the first half and 17-21 from the line in the second.

It was strange to see the new Wolf Gym looking mostly empty, but the crowd that was on hand (maybe 500 or 600) would have made the kitchen looked packed. I'm looking forward to this weekends games vs Hobart, and Richard Stockton or Averett at the Coaches Vs Cancer Tournament. 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cuabigdog on January 04, 2007, 05:36:24 PM
Matt, it is no longer the CUA Pepsi classic .. now it's just the Catholic University Classic
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on January 04, 2007, 10:13:27 PM
From Frostburg...

UMW 100, Frostburg 66

Baker 20, 7 assts
Lee 14, 9 rebs, 8 assts, 4 steals
Hale 15
Whitworth 13, 9 rebs
Ben Stokes 12 (4-5 3's)
Pierce 10

UMW ties the school record it set last month against Hood with 18 threes.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on January 05, 2007, 09:37:58 AM
Programming note for York fans...

D3hoopsNet will be broadcasting this Saturday's Coaches versus Cancer final at York College.  If York wins this evening, the Spartans would play either No. 12 Averette or Richard Stockton.

Parents of players, alumni and fans will be able to access the live free broadcast at www.AllinBroadcasting.com or www.d3hoops.com/audio/ starting at 2:45 PM EST.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 05, 2007, 10:36:17 AM
Quote from: cuabigdog on January 04, 2007, 05:36:24 PM
Matt, it is no longer the CUA Pepsi classic .. now it's just the Catholic University Classic

Ahh, yes.  That's right.  Wonder what happened to Pepsi.  Well, it took me a couple years to stop calling it the Coca-Cola Classic, so I'll probably still screw this up.

(Yes, that's right, you youngins--CUA used to be a Coca Cola school, back in the day.  My freshman year of college, we were all about Coke (the beverage).  Came back the following year and everything was Pepsi.  It was very disconcerting, and I'm sure a few people probably transfered as a direct result.  But the University survived the Pepsi change, and the classic along with it.

Incidentally, this is one of the better fields I can remember.  Rutgers-Newark is 9-1, with some pretty decent wins (Conn., Hunter, Farmingdale).   E-Town is usually solid--struggled early but they've won three in a row.  Methodist, who CUA plays Sat., worries me a little.  They just got blown out by Virginia Wesleyan, but before that they took a good (and undefeated) Guilford team to double OT.  Randolph Macon isn't exactly a bad win either.

If CUA wins their tourney this year, it will be an accomplishment. 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: njlincolnlion on January 05, 2007, 12:23:37 PM
Salisbury picks up where they left off before the break with a win over Washington College (MD). 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on January 05, 2007, 12:27:35 PM
MW has had a strange winter break schedule but ended up 3-2 all on the road. There have been huge wins and huge losses too. Mike Lee nearly had a triple double as the Eagles cruised past Frostburg 100-66. The Eagles settle into the CAC Schedule the 10th against Salisbury...
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on January 05, 2007, 01:22:00 PM

Nice feature on Justin Baker and Mike Lee of UMW in the Washington Examiner

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fathletics.umw.edu%2Fjbakemlee.gif&hash=b28737d246639a23241595f9de6fc51075067760)

http://www.examiner.com/a-489489~Fierce_high_school_rivals__tight_college_teammates.html
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on January 05, 2007, 05:42:55 PM
Live stats for the York - Hobart game in the semifinals of the Seventh Annual Coaches vs. Cancer Tournament

http://faculty.ycp.edu/~sguise/mbb/xlive.htm

Live stats for the Averett - Richard Stockton game available here:

http://faculty.ycp.edu/~sguise/mbba/xlive.htm

Enjoy, it should be two good games.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on January 05, 2007, 07:58:02 PM
Pretty sloppy game in York.
The Spartans commit a season-high 23 turnovers and win 75-70.

The box score will be available at:

http://www.ycp.edu/sports/mens_basketball/2006/YCPMBB12.HTM
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on January 06, 2007, 12:25:17 PM
Live stats for the Seventh Annual Coaches vs. Cancer Tournament

York-Richard Stockton Championship Game
http://faculty.ycp.edu/~sguise/mbb/xlive.htm

Live stats for the Averett - Hobart Consolation game
http://faculty.ycp.edu/~sguise/mbba/xlive.htm
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on January 06, 2007, 04:30:34 PM
  Gallaudet Bison - 78   
@ Penn St. Berks - 66

More details will come later..
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MuMu on January 06, 2007, 07:38:43 PM
Posting from the new home St. Thomasss. It's nice to seMu has won two in a row! Hopefully that will give them some great movement into CAC play. Mike Gray playing hugee  in the 2 W!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 06, 2007, 10:41:07 PM
Catholic blew Methodist out of the building today, 71-42.  Awesome game by Stephen "Wheels" Wheeler--25 points!

I'll post more details in a little bit. Great all around perfomance.  Cards will face Elizabethtown, which upset Rutgers-Newark in the first game of the CUA Classic.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 07, 2007, 01:08:45 AM
Just a few more thoughts from Catholic's 72-43 victory.

Neither Dwyer nor Fumai were "on" today, which makes the victory all the more impressive.   Scott had 12 on 5-13 shooting, but was ice cold (1-7) from 3.   Dwyer was even quieter, with 10 points.

Now, to an extent, those two made Wheeler's big day possible because they drew the defense.  Still, Wheels was also Catholic's leading rebounder today.  He was 12-15 from the field, mainly by gaining superior position by beating his defenders down the court and using his hands.   

I continue to be optimistic about Papageorge.  He nailed 3 3's early to set the tone for the game, and had 4 assists.  Mike Wasilenko played very well today.  I'm not sure that the rest of the league is aware of just how good his jump shot has become--he's really developed a nice jumper.

On the flip side, Methodist just absolutely melted.  Catholic hit them early and they never recovered.  You kept waiting for them to make a run but frankly the entire demeanor of that team, from the coaching staff down, was defeatist.  This is a team that came back from a large deficit to beat Randolph Macon at home and took Guilford to 2 OTs!  I don't know how that happens.   They shot 32%--28% in the second half!  Catholic wasn't letting them get much inside, so they were forced into bad jumpers. 

E-Town will be a tough opponent tomorrow.  They beat Rutgers-Newark handily and they are well coached.  Great shooters--a good test for conference games against York and Mary Washington.  If the Cardinals play their game--size and strength with clutch shooting--they're going to be tough to beat.



Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 07, 2007, 06:18:59 PM
Catholic wins the the CUA Classic with a 61-42 blowout over Elizabethtown.   Dwyer led the way for the Cardinals with 17.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cuabigdog on January 07, 2007, 09:40:19 PM
The Catholic University men's basketball team (10-2) won its fourth straight Sunday afternoon at the DuFour Center.  The Cardinals' 61-42 victory over the Elizabethtown Bluejays (6-6) gave CUA its 12th Classic championship and second is the last two years.  Patrick Dwyer (Williamsburg, Va./Walsingham Academy) was named the tournament MVP after leading the Cards in the championship game and Stephen Wheeler (Silver Spring, Md./Good Counsel) was also named to the All-Tournament squad after two outstanding performances.

Elizabethtown came out strong but CUA was quickly able to control the flow of the game as the Cards took the lead for good at 13:48 thanks to a Dwyer layup.  CUA continued to build the lead through out the first half using strong post play.  At the break CUA held a comfortable 32-22 lead.

Sean Stolzenthaler (Middletown, N.J./Christian Brothers Academy) led the Cards in the first half with nine points including a 4-4 performance from the field .  Dwyer added eight points and showed his prowess down low pulling in nine rebounds.  CUA outrebounded the Bluejays 19-14 and also outshot them hitting 41.7 percent while Elizabethtown managed 39 percent.

The second half was much like the first as the Cardinals forced turnovers and took advantage of their big men. The Cards went up by as much as 24 with seven minutes remaining allowing many of the starters to take a breather after back-to-back games.  At the final horn the score was 61-42 in favor of the Cardinals giving them the CUA Classic title.

Wheeler and Swyer played the high-low perfectly in the second half with both prospering on the stat sheet.  Dwyer had nine points finishing with 17 and Wheeler had five for a game-total of nine.  The two combined for 19 rebounds in the game.  Wheeler also finished strongly on the defensive end with four steals and on block.  Scott Fumai (Rockville, Md./Good Counsel) was the second leading scorer for the Cards with 14, Luke Ledyard led the Bluejays with nine.

Wheeler received all-tournament honors for his career-high on Saturday and continued play on Sunday.  Dwyer was named the tournament MVP for the second year in a row after two good games for the Cards.  The all-tournament team also included Rutgers-Newark's Chadd Barnes, Methodist's A.B. Lehmann and Elizabethtown's Kris Kieres as well as Luke Ledyard.

CUA now gears up for their remaining conference games.  Next Saturday the Cards will host the York Spartans at 4:00 p.m., at the DuFour Center.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 08, 2007, 12:06:07 AM
Pretty nice weekend for Catholic.  They faced two teams that were hardly bad, and blew them both out.  In the consolation today, Methodist lost to Rutgers-Newark by just 4 points, and apparently led for most of the game.  Considering the way Catholic totally handled them, that reflects pretty well on where the Cardinals are.

But now really is crunch time.  They go into the meat of the season schedule at 10-2.  They should be 11-1--they play Goucher 10 times, I think they win 9 of them.   They're a lot different team than they were when they picked up those two losses.  I think their identity is much stronger and they have established what it is they do best and are now doing it.   The matchup Saturday with York is not only important for the conference, but key to setting the tone for Conference play.  If the Cardinals play they way they have for the past two games, they're going to be hard for anybody to beat.  But we don't know if they are capable of doing that consistently, game after game, like the elite teams do. 

But look--you lose the pillars of your offense to graduation, you have a bunch of seniors but no upperclassmen beyond that, and you're 10-2 with some nice road wins--in region, I might add--its tough to complain.  At this stage, you look for growth, and with the Cardinals, I've seen it.  Thanks to good coaching, experience and confidence, they are better right now than they were when the season started. 

To an extent, York is probably gelling in the same manner.  They shouldn't have lost to Stockton at home, but it was a two point game and Stockton's a good, although not great, team.  Some of their younger players have probably developed and they have a horse to ride in McGowan. 

Salisbury has come out of the break with two bad losses-well, one bad loss, and one horrible loss.  I have no idea what's going on there.  If Salisbury is really going to contend for a top seed in this league, they can't be losing to Drew.  The only real notable win for them is York, they've played some bad teams they've beaten up on.  So its tough to tell if they are for real.  I don't think you can say they've grown any since the season started, at least.

Mary Washington and Hood are for real.  I think Catholic does match up well against MW, so they've certainly got a chance to beat them.  But the Eagles are experienced and shoot the ball well.  They handled York on the road in a tough game and beat Hood.  Hood already has beaten Catholic on the road, they're well coached, and they just beat a good Messiah team. 

Its going to be a fun ride!

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cuabigdog on January 09, 2007, 04:44:21 PM
well it seems that the Catholic Curse is back.. new top 25 out and not even others receiving votes..  at 10-2 you'd think they'd at least get a mention... the same goes for Mary Wash... politics at it's best  i guess.. well it doesn't matter where you are in the polls at this point but where you finish in March
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 10, 2007, 12:20:40 AM
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Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 10, 2007, 01:11:26 AM
Quote from: cuabigdog on January 09, 2007, 04:44:21 PM
well it seems that the Catholic Curse is back.. new top 25 out and not even others receiving votes..  at 10-2 you'd think they'd at least get a mention... the same goes for Mary Wash... politics at it's best  i guess.. well it doesn't matter where you are in the polls at this point but where you finish in March

Curse? Curse you. Give me a break.

Politics? From the poll that is RUN by a Catholic alumnus?

Here's a hint -- maybe people are looking at the home loss to the 5-7 team and are wondering how good Catholic is. Catholic hasn't beaten a single team that has any votes. So how good are they, exactly?

Get real. Sheesh.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 10, 2007, 10:30:39 AM
Here are the latest Massey Ratings for the CAC.  These work very similar to an RPI.  This should give people at least some idea of where people are at.

Overall Conference Rank is 18.

Here are the Massey Standings for the CAC.  I'll put rank and Strength of Schedule (SOS).

1. Catholic  Rank: 40  SOS: 101
2. Mary Washington 44 SOS: 149
3. Hood 58 SOS: 116
4. York 116 SOS: 140
5. Salisbury 121 SOS: 191
6. Goucher 183 SOS: 50
7. Marymount 272 SOS: 281
8. Galluadet 381 SOS: 377

Catholic's best win is a Road Win against #34 Scranton.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MuMu on January 10, 2007, 10:35:20 AM
It's where your ranked at the end of the year, but when I did glance at the top 25, I was amazed that CUA or any CAC teams ranked.

MU beats Hood by 6 tonight and gets rolling for the 2nd half of the season
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on January 10, 2007, 02:05:14 PM
Live Stats will be available for tonight's York College - St. Mary's College game at the Grumbacher Center in York.

http://faculty.ycp.edu/~sguise/mbb/xlive.htm
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 10, 2007, 02:30:56 PM
Oops. That reminds me.  I forgot St. Mary's.   Sorry.


Quote from: Matt Letourneau on January 10, 2007, 10:30:39 AM
Here are the latest Massey Ratings for the CAC.  These work very similar to an RPI.  This should give people at least some idea of where people are at.

Overall Conference Rank is 18.

Here are the Massey Standings for the CAC.  I'll put rank and Strength of Schedule (SOS).

1. Catholic  Rank: 40  SOS: 101
2. Mary Washington 44 SOS: 149
3. Hood 58 SOS: 116
4. York 116 SOS: 140
5. Salisbury 121 SOS: 191
6. Goucher 183 SOS: 50
7. St. Mary's 214 SOS: 167
8. Marymount 272 SOS: 281
9. Galluadet 381 SOS: 377

Catholic's best win is a Road Win against #34 Scranton.


Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: muchacho on January 10, 2007, 03:23:18 PM
Does this mean Catholic won't find a spot in the BCS?
Or do we get the Catholic school exemption like Notre Dame?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MuMu on January 10, 2007, 05:53:50 PM
I have CUA blowing it, and losing the next two games  York and the Seagulls.

Lets go Mu tonighttt babyyy. Mike Gray needs to get the ballll
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 10, 2007, 07:31:13 PM
Quote from: muchacho on January 10, 2007, 03:23:18 PM
Does this mean Catholic won't find a spot in the BCS?
Or do we get the Catholic school exemption like Notre Dame?

Need to travel better. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbsquared on January 10, 2007, 10:07:19 PM
Any news on the UMW-Salsbury game?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbsquared on January 10, 2007, 10:27:18 PM
Salisbury takes the lead in the conference with a 73-68 win over UMW.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on January 10, 2007, 10:59:31 PM
York outlasts St. Mary's 81-75 at the Grumbacher Center.
Chad McGowan pours in 30 points to lead York. The Spartans go 18-for-19 from the free throw line in the game including 17-for-17 in the second half.

Game Box
http://www.ycp.edu/sports/mens_basketball/2006/YCPMBB14.HTM
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MuMu on January 11, 2007, 09:56:09 AM
tough loss for Mu, was not able to see the game, Matt whats Hood's + and -. they have any studs??

Mu should def beat Lanc bible.

CUA fans lets see how the next two games go, there hugee..
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on January 11, 2007, 11:49:39 AM
Quote from: bbsquared on January 10, 2007, 10:27:18 PM
Salisbury takes the lead in the conference with a 73-68 win over UMW.

UMW had shots for 3s to tie two different times down the court in the waning seconds and didn't make either
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cac on January 11, 2007, 06:55:01 PM
MW appears to be  a stationary shooting team coming of high post screens and not a very athletic team. Only time they were really efective last night against Salisbury was when they spread the floor late hitting 4 of 5 late 3's to get back in the game. Were hurt on the offensive glass. Coach Wood appears to have calmed some and didn't show much emotion. Good win for SU after a recent two game slide.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: YoderFan on January 12, 2007, 09:10:50 AM
Matt,

  Where do you find the Massey Standings??
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: muchacho on January 12, 2007, 09:14:55 AM
Massey can be found at www.mratings.com
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 12, 2007, 05:49:27 PM
Salisbury is confirming my earlier statements this year... they play to their competition's level.

Back to back losses to Montclair St. and Drew - a combined .500 - and following it up with a win over Mary Washington pretty much proves it (especially the 54 points against Drew).

If Salisbury hopes to remain on top of this conference, they better start playing good basketball... ALL the time! If they continue to play to their competition's level... they are going to have a rough upcoming week: St. Mary's, Catholic, Marymount, Hood. Wouldn't be surprised to see 2-2 in that stretch... and out of 1st.

Goucher is coming along, but had a rough game against Gallaudet the other night. It certainly isn't easy to play a tournament in the Bahamas... and then return to home to a almost vacant gymnasium at the beginning of January. The team looked like they were still enjoying the weather in the Bahamas instead of thinking about basketball. While they got the win, the Bison were in it late... something the Gophers should have never let happen. Hood on Saturday followed up with Mary Washington on Wednesday will be a good test of how good the Gophers could be this season.

Not surpised with Hood... they are a very good team being lead by a very good coach. Marymount, on the other hand, is in trouble. I would be surprised to see them finish much higher than sixth this year. Those great recruiting classes are showing nothing at the Verizon Center!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on January 13, 2007, 04:53:39 PM
Halftime at Goolrick

UMW 43, Gallaudet 30

Matt Hale leads UMW with 10.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on January 13, 2007, 05:46:17 PM
Final...

UMW 97, GAL 53

Baker, Hale - 16
Stokes  - 15
Lee - 12
Whitworth - 11
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on January 13, 2007, 07:08:35 PM
Catholic downs York 78-61 in DC on Saturday.

Scott Fumai paces a balanced Cardinal effort with 21 points while Stephen Wheeler notches a double-double with 19 points and 10 boards.

York is led by Chad McGowan as the junior has 14 points but a season-low three rebounds. Brad Zerfing is the other Spartan in double figures with 10 points.

Game Box
http://www.ycp.edu/sports/mens_basketball/2006/YCPMBB15.HTM

York returns to action on Wednesday as they host Marymount in a league game at 8:00 pm.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 13, 2007, 10:53:54 PM
Outstanding effort by the Cardinals today.  They completely dominated York from start to finish, which was a bit of a surprise.  They continued to play cohesively as a unit.  This was the same brand of basketball as last weekend.  Anybody who played the Cardinals early in the season really hasn't seen this team, they are a different--and much better--team. 

Two key factors off the bat: Rebounds and assists.  Catholic outrebounded York 35-26, and had 21 assists to York's 7.  And Catholic had just  5 turnovers--how's a 21-5 a/t ratio for you?  York actually shot for a slightly higher percentage, but Catholic was much better from 3. 

York just had no answer for the Wheeler/Dwyer tandem.  Today, Dwyer struggled a little offensively, but he drew the defense and set up Wheels for some nice baskets.   Another great game by Scott Fumai.  I want to get into the Fumai/McGowan discussion a little based on what I saw today.

And just in case a few York fans want to get into the foul discussion, York actually had more trips to the line today than Catholic did.  The officials did "let them play" today, and it was a nice, old fashion physical CAC game.

Speaking of York fans--where were they? I thought maybe we'd see some come down from PA today.  Good weather, pretty easy trip, but almost nobody made the trip in support of the men.  The York women's team had a good crowd, but they all left after game one.


Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on January 14, 2007, 12:02:39 AM
York kids still aren't back at school and they haven't historically traveled too much anyway.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 14, 2007, 01:08:22 AM
Well not being back at school would explain it.

I know they don't travel a TON, but usually at least some diehards make the trip, like Catholic fans. 

And what about you, my friend? We missed you!

One lousy byproduct of this ridiculously mild weather is that the CUA gym is hot as hell.  Its generally stuffy in there anyway, but when its warm outside forget it.   

By the way, what's up with Salisbury? Its like they are trying to prove D-Mac's point every night--they lost to St. Mary's.  How, I don't know.  Catholic heads down to their place Wed.  Based on this "play up/pay down" mentality, I'd expect a tough game and I know for a fact they are preparing for one.

Hood's now in first place in the league.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 16, 2007, 01:14:24 AM
What happened to this board?  Anybody anywhere else care anymore?

Nobody from Hood has ever posted, that I'm aware.  SMC, nowhere to be found.  Salisbury has a few.  Gally guys have climbed into a bunker.  Goucher has D-Mac but he's not really a reguar.   The Mary Wash guys have kind of fallen away.  Marymount has a few left, but MuMu's predictions are pretty awful.  And then there are a few York fans, and me and a few Catholic fans.

Its getting kind of sad.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on January 16, 2007, 10:52:47 AM
There are even fewer posters on the CAC women's side, Matt.   :'(
Maybe the drop off on both boards has something to do with the league splitting up?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: muchacho on January 16, 2007, 10:56:00 AM
All that complaining about the referees actually helped the board stay active Matt. Your rational opinions of the officiating is hurting this board.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on January 16, 2007, 03:08:09 PM
The problem is that we need current students to become active on the board. the problem with that is that not many, if at all, know this even exists. Clint, don't you have a Mike Shane you can boss around to make some flyers or advertise? Ha.
As for me, I like to comment on games I actually see, for the most part, and haven't made it out due to the Holidays. But the Goonies will start appearing at games as the conference schedule picks up.

Anyone else want to see UMW turn Mike Lee loose? Just one throw back 30 point game as a senior? Or how bout Baker let a Garnett-like yelp after pulling down a big defensive rebound late in game? Or watch Matt Hale "leave it up there" after hitting a trey from the corner baseline with 1 sec on the clock at Goolrick for the win?

It seems the CAC play has gotten off to a very "business-like" start. Maybe the Goonies can bring some much needed live and or controversy. A Gandalf appearance?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on January 16, 2007, 03:08:47 PM
Oh and maybe if i didnt have -3 karma. Pat, how much longer until i get to give karma points?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: hoodfan on January 16, 2007, 03:21:37 PM
I have been following Hood College for 4 years now, and they have certainly been impressive so far this year. Despite losing Santo Provenzano (1500 points in 3 seasons) they have become very good defensively, and have abandoned the zone defense that Coach Dickman played in his first 3 years there, and are now playing hard nosed man to man which Coach Dickman favored during his High School coaching days.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on January 16, 2007, 03:39:45 PM
It helps gain interest when there's a home game to comment on... UMW has only had TWO so far this year, and the women have only had three. So, I suspect there will be a rise in interest, especially with some ideas we will implement in the home games this semester (can anyone say halfcourt shot for free tuition???)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on January 16, 2007, 03:44:38 PM
Is this offer retro active, cuz Sallie Mae is breathing down my neck about student loans.
Also, can i hire E. Rodriguez to shot for me?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MuMu on January 16, 2007, 04:28:09 PM
"MuMu's predictions are pretty awful" I must say have not been the best, hopefully they will get better Matt!

Mu with a win against a bible school, will take it! With Mr.Diamond back in the line up hopefully personal my predictions will get above 500.

CUA seems like they have to be a leader for winning the conf! You have to add they Mu will beat them the next game that is played. All you CUA fans in your mind are adding that L during the preseason.

MWG students have trouble getting up for class let alone post on d3hoops, come on, The sallie Mae post i understand you on that one
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 16, 2007, 05:18:09 PM
Well, here we go, I sparked something, anyway.

Uhh, I don't think Marymount's beating  Catholic at CUA.  Let's just say I'd be REALLY surprised.  I don't know what L during the preseason you are referring to.

Good to see a Hood fan.  They ARE impressive.  Very impressive.   It will be very interesting to see if Catholic can beat them on the road.  They're doing a lot of things differently now than they were when they played Hood the first time.  I know Dickman is a good coach and they are a disciplined team. 

Well, I'm glad that we all agree that the main problem around here is that I'm simply not complaining about officiating enough.  That's something I can rectify.  Unfortunately, Catholic's got this crazy schedule over the next two weeks--at Salisbury, home against Gally, then at Mary Wash, at SMC and at Goucher all in one week! (Tues/Thurs/Sat).  So, I won't be seeing much of them.  And that takes us to my wife's due date....

I do want to get into the Fumai-McGown POY discussion though when I have  few minutes.  The long and short of it is that I think Scott deserves the award so far, and nothing I saw head to head changes my opinion.  McGowan's a great player--and I think he'll be a mortal lock for next year--but Scott is capable of killing you in ways that Chad can't.  When the shot clock is running down, and you have nothing, you can't kick the ball out to McGowan for a 3 with a hand in his face.  But that's what Fumai does to people.  Against York, he absolutely broke their back--the Spartans would play great defense for 33 seconds, then Catholic would get the ball to Scott for a long 3 with somebody in his face that he'd hit.  Same thing with pull up jumpers. 

When you look at his position, and the type of rebounding numbers he's putting up, I think it becomes an even more compelling case.  McGowan got outperformed by Stephen Wheeler, who is not even one of the top 2 players on CUA (Wheels 19-10, McGowan 14-3).



Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 16, 2007, 07:04:36 PM
Hey Matt... sorry for not posting. I assure you do read this post room and MANY others on a daily basis... but the television business has been very busy recently... been also busy debating/considering my career path... oh, and don't forgot that radio show I thought would be a good idea!!!

Anyway... this season has turned into one of the more "equal" seasons in terms of the conference from top to bottom... I have seen in years! As good as UMW is... Hood is up there competing. As inconsistent Salisbury has played... Catholic certainly hasn't been up to their usual toughness. This along with the big win by one team... followed by the same team losing in a big win for another team... and this year's season has certainly been a head scratcher.

Unfortunetly, this "coming together" of the conference is not a sign of better teams... unfortunetly, I would say while some of gotten better... the top teams over the last few seasons have come back to the middle.

Now... Hood is the very pleasent surprise of the season. I certainly thought they would do well... but didn't think they would finish better than sixth. However, they have the capability to finish first or second in their first season in the CAC. If anything... it sends a major warning sign to the rest of the conference when Goucher and Catholic leave... Hood could be leading the way for the CAC (and don't forget Villa Julie, they will be good as well).

As for the POY debate (which I loth!)... your forgetting two players that I think are worthy of entering this debate.
- Justin Baker of Mary Washington and Jesse Gutekunst and Ryan Junghans of Hood

First off, I am NOT a believer that the POY is awarded only to seniors... so that would allow the likes of the McGowans and the Gutekunsts to enter the fray.
Secondly, as well as Fumai and McGowan are playing... Gutekunst, Junghans, and Baker are leading their teams to the top of the conference.
Thirdly, I mention two Hood players because while Junghans is leading the team in points... Gutekunst is second in points and easily the leader in rebounds (2nd in the CAC).
Finally... as much as I think Ray Williams hurts his team with his style of play at times... he is the leading scorer in the conference and Salisbury is having a rather good season (though it should be MUCH better).

Other things to ponder:
- Hood leads the league in scoring offense (75.5) and is third in scoring defense (67.3)... while second (behind CUA) in scoring margin (+8.1)
- Hood is also #1 in offensive field goal percentage (.471)  and #1 in defensive field goal percentage (.384)
- Goucher has one of the most dangerous three-point shooters (Russo - most made per game)... but ranks the lowest 3 point percentage in the league (.307 - Russo ranks eighth overall in percentage at .426)
- Mary Washington is the only team averaging in double-figures for three-pointers made in a game (12.69)
- Catholic is leading the league in both offensive (39.5/game) and defensive rebounding average (33.5/game)
- St. Mary's is the best free throw shooting team (.682)... but is in the bottom three of scoring offense (70.5 points/game - St. Mary's is also second to last in scoring defense at 73.8 points/game).
- There are FIVE players in the CAC right now... averaging 20 points per game - while there is just one player averaging double-digits in rebounding.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 16, 2007, 09:53:36 PM
I was just messing, D-Mac.  I figured you still are keeping track of things.

I was more lamenting the lack of discussion on here--something which has changed in the last couple of days.  So that's a good thing.

I do want to respond to your comments...lots of good points. 

I wouldn't agree that Catholic hasn't been up to their usual toughness though---I think 11-2 is right on track.  Sure, they had a bad loss to Goucher, but...what do you want? They just blew out three quality teams in a row...their Massey rating is now 36.  Most Catholic "watchers' would tell you that right now, this team is better than last year's which won the CAC....

Anyway, I agree 100% about Hood...
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on January 16, 2007, 10:17:31 PM
Dave, what do you think of the rest of the region? It looks like Alvernia and Hopkins have 0 and 1 loss in region, but everyone else in the entire region has two or more, including CUA and UMW, so it seems like more parity across the board, not just in the CAC.

PS - Won't see me tomorrow, I'll be manning the laptop from home. 8)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 16, 2007, 11:06:46 PM
Goonie: You're just over halfway there. You gotta make more than 60 posts a year, man.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MuMu on January 17, 2007, 08:01:50 AM
 York with out McGowan is at the bottom of the CAC. No predictions here, but that would be my pick.

Hopefully Mu will give me something to write about tonight after a day at the DMV and Megans Bay Beach
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on January 17, 2007, 09:11:25 AM
Pat, I'll have to start making it to more games but thats a fair enough challenge.

Dave, I would agree. POY discussions usually dominate this board toward the end of the regular season. I guess I'm more out of the loop than normal as MW has a more balanced attack. Baker is phenomenal.

Matt, good luck with a baby on the way. Are we going to seeing more posts about your wife's "officiating" in the coming months?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on January 17, 2007, 11:18:09 AM
Live Stats for tonight's York - MU game

http://faculty.ycp.edu/~sguise/mbb/xlive.htm

Stats should go live about five minutes prior to tip.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: hoodfan on January 17, 2007, 11:41:29 AM
 I know I'm new in following the CAC, but I believe Junghans and Gutekunst from Hood will get some consideration for player of the year honors if they continue as they have been. Gutekunst hurts teams in a lot of ways, but maybe his best asset is his ability to pass the ball, especially if he's double teamed. Junghans benefits from that a lot, but Ryan is a very good shooter, and he can also put the ball on the floor and get layups and medium range jump shots. I'll get to see York and Hood on Sat. I'm anxious to see McGowan play against them. I think the league is pretty balanced from what I've seen so far, but I have not seen everybody. Sometimes it comes down to how individual teams match up.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cugrad on January 17, 2007, 03:47:51 PM
Catholic is playing much better of late compared to their efforts prior to Christmas break. Both Waz and Stoltz have been much more productive at the guard position. Dwyer and Fumai have been consistently good. Popageorge has also contributed at both ends of the court in recent games. Olivero has been solid off the bench. Additionally, the Cards have done a great job protecting the ball. However, with the emergence of Wheeler as a dominate big man, the Cards have lifted their game to a much higher level. They are definitely not the same team they were prior to break. Unfortunately, with home losses to Goucher and Hood, they have dug themselves in a bit of a hole. With the balance that appears to exist, the Cards are going to have a very difficult time climbing to the top of the league. They will have to win some tough road matches - beginning with tonight's game in Salisbury.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 17, 2007, 05:42:17 PM
mwcsid - going to miss you tonight... was looking forward to seeing you (since there won't be any fans - no students!).

As for the region... yeah... there is certainly more parity all over... but I don't think its a sign of conferences getting better. To be honest... I think the Mid-Atlantic has taken a step backwards as a region. There are certainly some top teams that will probably represent well in the tourney... but nobody stands out as a terrific team. JHU has two losses this season... one was a thumping by Mississippi College and the other was a bad and strange loss to Haverford. Alvernia certainly looks good with their 10-2 record... but I don't see any great wins on that schedule. They have an easy win over F&M... but F&M is no where near as good as they have been in the past. And Alvernia's two losses this season, while out of conference and out of region, are not exactly against very quality programs.

Sadly, the Mid-Atlantic is just not that great a region these days. I would rank it sixth of seventh out of the eight regions - from top to bottom. Heck, JHU is the only team ranked in the Top 25 (http://www.d3hoops.com/top25) from the Mid-Atlantic region and Catholic is the only other team to receive votes (one to be exact). Makes you wonder why UMW couldn't get some votes... but also shows you where this region truely ranks!

One other thought about Hood... does anyone remember Junghans was on St. Mary's (I believe) roster last year... yet was buried on the bench?! Things that make you go... hmm!

Finally... I will once again be providing score updates throughout the game via the Scoreboard (http://www.d3hoops.com/schedule.php?date=2007-01-17&team=mens). You can also listen to the game thanks to Goucher College Radio (http://www.goucher.edu/radio).
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbsquared on January 17, 2007, 09:17:11 PM
UMW is now up 21 with 4 1/2 minutes to go at Goucher.. It is now 83-55 with 16 3 pointers for the Eagles thus far. The Gophers were hurt badly by a technical called on their coach for arguing a foul call with a minute left in the first half and the Eagles hit all four FT that ensued.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: hoodfan on January 17, 2007, 09:41:36 PM
D-mac, I believe Junghans had a serious back injury while at St. Mary's. Played during the first semester in the 05-06 season, but had to have back surgery and didn't return to St. Mary's for 2nd semester. I don't know how many games he played, but I don't think it was many. He has an older brother that plays at Hood (Justin), and that is how he ended up at Hood
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on January 17, 2007, 10:03:00 PM
UMW 87, Goucher 59

Eagles balanced again, with six players in double figures, led by AJ Fitzgerald's 18 and Jon Pierce's 16. Ben Stokes continues to step up with 13, Matt Hale 12, J-Bake and Kiernan with 11 each. Baker added 11 rebounds, four assists and four steals.

UMW makes 16 threes, now averaging almost 13 a game, which is 5th in the nation.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: njlincolnlion on January 17, 2007, 10:18:00 PM
Any news on the Catholic/Salisbury game?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 17, 2007, 10:26:32 PM
Yes.  Catholic defeated Salisbury 62-58.

The Cardinals were led by Scott Fumai's 22 points and 7 rebounds and Pat Dwyer's 17.  Remarkably, Dwyer was 8-9 from the free throw line and apparently hit a couple big ones in the last minute to ice it.  Good for Pat.

Wheels had a bad night offensively but had 11 rebounds.  CUA did get 8 points from freshman center Brian Jones.  The Cardinals didn't shoot well, but once against outrebounded their opponents 42-35.

Roy Williams had 25 points and played all 40 minutes for the Gulls.   CUA jumped out to a 15-3 lead before it settled into a close, back and forth game.  CUA took the lead for good with 3:40 left.

Obviously a big road win for the Cardinals, who improve to 12-2 and 4-2 in the Conference.   

In other news, MuMu was wrong again (ha!), and....Trevino picked up a big tech? No! I don't believe it! Impossible!

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on January 17, 2007, 10:31:13 PM
From York,
The Spartans down the Saints, 96-75.
A balanced effort from the Spartans with five guys in double figures.

Box score:
http://www.ycp.edu/sports/mens_basketball/2006/YCPMBB16.HTM

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cugrad on January 17, 2007, 10:35:34 PM
Catholic over Salisbury, 62-58.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 18, 2007, 06:38:00 AM
Quote from: bbsquared on January 17, 2007, 09:17:11 PM
Gophers were hurt badly by a technical called on their coach for arguing a foul call with a minute left in the first half and the Eagles hit all four FT that ensued.
WHAT?!

I assume you weren't at the game (though, with internet access in the SRC, which I had, I could be wrong)... but that tech didn't hurt the Gophers.

If you remember... Goucher did lead in the first half by as much as seven... but never for long. Goucher also tied the game a few minutes into the second half with a three from James Russo.

Goucher was hurt badly by a much better Eagles squad who finally adjusted to the agressive defense and offense Goucher was playing... and started hitting three's like at a ridiculous rate.

As the Goucher game release said:
"Doing the most damage from three-point range was A.J. Fitzgerald, who accumulated all of his game-high total of 18 points by going 6-for-10 from downtown. Ben Stokes drained four three-pointers in coming off the bench to contribute 13 points to the win. In all, the Eagles (11-3, 5-1 CAC) had six players score in double figures and each one made at least one three-point basket."
-full version (http://meyerhoff.goucher.edu/legacy_apps/athletics/template_content.cfm?view=press&press_id=1102)-

That's unreal and actually followed up an incrediable shooting preformance from the UMW women's team. Of course, I shouldn't have been surprised when the Eagles hit an average of 12-plus three's a game.

UMW is certainly the cream of the crop in the conference and really should be getting some Top 25 votes... while CUA shouldn't (despite a win over SAL - shocking! I never thought SAL would lose!).
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: unreallawns on January 18, 2007, 07:33:29 AM
Ray Williams has to be a candidate for POY.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on January 18, 2007, 08:04:53 AM
dmac,
Yeah, I listened to the game. FNB did a really good job!
I'm sure the 4 fts helped, but I agree, the 33 pts in the last ten minutes was the real key.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MuMu on January 18, 2007, 08:55:04 AM
YCP, It looks like MU was close in the first half, what happen in the 2nd half??? It seemed like a normall York score.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on January 18, 2007, 09:22:39 AM
A real nice game from the Sparts, just a shame the ladies lost in OT in the opener or we would have a great night all around.

As far as all around, that's how the scoring went for the guys. Big Chad put in his 25 and 7 and Joe Yeck continued to grow into his new roll as a full time starter with 21 on 7-9 shooting, with 5-6 from three. Two other starters, Lankford (15) and Zerfing (11) were in double figures and super-sub Nick Brady had another nice night with 12 points in 15 minutes. Marymount shot the lights out in the first half but went flat in the second going 1-10 from distance.

York has a big test on Saturday, when they go down to Hood. If they start to get this type of shooting consistently from game to game they are going to be a team no one wants to play come CAC tourney time. The one thing they can do to make a run at a really solid season is hit the offensive glass more. Without Singer and Seibert there is a lack of true "big men" and so it is on everyone on the floor to get boards. 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on January 18, 2007, 10:21:14 AM
MuMu,

Both teams shot the lights out in the first half as York led 52-44 at the break. There wasn't too much defense on either end in the first half but with about 15 minutes left in the second half,  York stepped up defensively and the Saints shot just 40% in the second half. Marymount went 7-for-13 from three in the first half but went 1-for-10 from distance in the second half.

Stanback had a great first half (15 points) but had just five after the break. York went 4-for-5 from three and shot 54% in the second half and 56.9% for the game. York was very balanced last night with five guys in double figures. Gray had a good night with 18 points on 9-of-12 shooting but he didn't get enough shots. He's tough around the hoop.

Offensively, it was one of the better performances by the Spartans this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 18, 2007, 10:26:58 AM
Quote from: Dave "d-mac" McHugh on January 18, 2007, 06:38:00 AM
Quote from: bbsquared on January 17, 2007, 09:17:11 PM
Gophers were hurt badly by a technical called on their coach for arguing a foul call with a minute left in the first half and the Eagles hit all four FT that ensued.
WHAT?!

I assume you weren't at the game (though, with internet access in the SRC, which I had, I could be wrong)... but that tech didn't hurt the Gophers.

If you remember... Goucher did lead in the first half by as much as seven... but never for long. Goucher also tied the game a few minutes into the second half with a three from James Russo.

Goucher was hurt badly by a much better Eagles squad who finally adjusted to the agressive defense and offense Goucher was playing... and started hitting three's like at a ridiculous rate.

As the Goucher game release said:
"Doing the most damage from three-point range was A.J. Fitzgerald, who accumulated all of his game-high total of 18 points by going 6-for-10 from downtown. Ben Stokes drained four three-pointers in coming off the bench to contribute 13 points to the win. In all, the Eagles (11-3, 5-1 CAC) had six players score in double figures and each one made at least one three-point basket."
-full version (http://meyerhoff.goucher.edu/legacy_apps/athletics/template_content.cfm?view=press&press_id=1102)-

That's unreal and actually followed up an incrediable shooting preformance from the UMW women's team. Of course, I shouldn't have been surprised when the Eagles hit an average of 12-plus three's a game.

UMW is certainly the cream of the crop in the conference and really should be getting some Top 25 votes... while CUA shouldn't (despite a win over SAL - shocking! I never thought SAL would lose!).

Why don't we wait to declare UMW the cream of the crop until Catholic actually plays them.  I disagree with what you've said here--Catholic has played a significantly tougher non-conference schedule than Mary Washington has.  I know there are a bunch of comprables you can look at, the biggest one being Salisbury, but also Hood (fair point on that one), but the Cardinals beat York by 17 (yes, at home), whereas MW just squeaked by with 55 points.   I agree that Mary Washington is a great team that will be tough to beat.  But I think you just can't help but discount Catholic, and that's what you are doing right now--a Massey rating of 36 vs. MW's 74, and you think that MW is the one that should be getting votes?

That makes no sense.   And according to your theory, it was quite plausible for Salisbury to beat CUA at their home (they get up for good teams, remember?)  And they just DID beat Mary Washington at home.   So why not give Catholic some credit for a tough road win? Why insist that MW is better, even though they haven't played, Catholic has a better record, has played a tougher schedule, and just beat a team that MW just lost to?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on January 18, 2007, 11:26:58 AM
Where was Ozi Menakaya for Salisbury last night? That guy single handedly beat UMW with 21 rebounds, and now he isn't even on the Sea Gull roster.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on January 18, 2007, 01:48:37 PM
Glad to see the old Matt is back.
The truth is CUA will always get votes at some point in any season because of their reputation. If people see they have a good record, their more likely to get top 25 votes. MW however, still is earning that reputation under Coach Wood. MW also doesnt have that stand out guy (they're balanced with 6 guys avg double figure ppg) which in my opinion, doesnt draw natioanl attention.

As for CAC play, CUA lost to Goucher and Hood. MW beat both. MW lost to SAL, CUA beat them. And both teams beat YORK (regardless of margin). So CUA can't say they're a better team based on CAC play.
Outside of the region, CUA has more of an arguement but also CUA had the luxury of playing more home games in the first 1/2 of the season. MW  will/has played 10 of 15 away from home.

Anyways, the 23rd will be a good game. I plan on being there.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on January 18, 2007, 02:23:14 PM
goonie- it's nice to see you have upgraded your photo  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 18, 2007, 03:52:55 PM
Well, Goonie, I'm just responding to demands!  (And we got a conversation going, at least).

Truth is, I think its rather pointless to spend TOO much energy arguing about who is better at this stage simply because we're all going to know soon enough.  These things usually get decided on the court, and in this case, we have two head to head games to see what happens. 

At the end of the year, I think Catholic will be right there.  MW probably will be too.  As far as non-conference, its true that MW has been away from home a lot, but CUA's best win (Scranton) was on the road. 

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on January 18, 2007, 05:53:15 PM
For everyone who loves parity the league is great this year.  After two years of York domination, there is at least 6 teams who could win league.  Yea I am a Yorkie and believe they will turn it around but I really like Catholic right now.  They still have to come to Grumbacher and so does Hood. 

To be Honest I do not want to see Catholic win this because they are leaving us for a mediocre at best conference.  Everyone knows the CAC is the best conference in America baby, lol. 

Looking forward to the strecth run.  Will the Spartans be dethrown, big test on Saturday.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 18, 2007, 05:57:42 PM
Ha--yeah, the CAC with CATHOLIC is the best conference!

;D
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: andre james smith on January 18, 2007, 07:11:48 PM
It looks like MWGoonie could use some back up in here, so I think its time to chime in.

Went to the game at Goucher last night and its only the second game i have been able to make it to this year, but the Eagles can really light it up from downtown when they are hot.  They had some trouble in the first half defending Jones (who I think was a junior when I graduated like 2 and a half years ago....) but once they realized that the only two scoring options on the whole team were him and Russo, they really keyed in defensively on those two guys and I think Goucher had 7 points in the second half with 4 to go in the game. 
Wash has some great young outside shooters to compliment Baker, Pierce, AJ, and Mike.  AJ has really picked up his shooting througout his career, and I think Justin Baker may be the most underrated player in the conference.  If you look at the box score, he always ends up with about 13 pts, 10 reb, 5 ast, 4 stls, and 3 blks.  Goonie had posted last week about seeing a great game from Mike Lee.  This kid was lights out as a fresh off the bench and as a sophomore was one of the best in the conference.  His shots werent off by much last night, but they just arent falling like they used to.   You have to hope as a Wash fan that he'll starting knocking them down like the old days real soon. 
The only other teams  I have seen this year are Marymount and Goucher, both of which are clearly not the class of the conference.  If Mary Wash can keep up this great outside shooting and rebound a little better defensively, they are going to be a tough team to handle this year.
Also, I know we all agree that the refs are terrible, etc.... but last night the ref knocked the ball out of Russo's hands and then gave the ball to UMW... Hilarious
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MuMu on January 19, 2007, 09:22:52 AM
YCP,
You always have a freind in pa.haha
Thanks for the update, I can only see stats. So the game was much closer then what the scores shows.

Predictions
Mu by 4
CUA 7

Cant do the rest still a rookie and it seems like people live and die by thre predictions on this board. haha
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on January 19, 2007, 09:52:22 AM
Ok, weekend predictions.

YCP @ HOOD = HOOD by 4          *GAME OF THE WEEKEND*
UMW  @ SMC = MW by 10
SAL @ MU = SAL by 6
GAL @ CUA = CUA BY 12

Looking forward to see how things shape up, especially teams that might be looking towards Tuesday's main event.......



Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbsquared on January 19, 2007, 12:39:45 PM
You're right d-mac, Goucher going from 1 point down to 5 points down did not determine the outcome, the 3 point barrage did. I'm sure the 4 point swing had no effect on the Goucher players at half since they did tie it up a couple of times in the second half. I'm sorry my analysis was not as precise as it should have been. The ultimatre point was that the "T" arrived at a time that could effect the pyche of the team going into the second half against a physically superior team.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 19, 2007, 02:27:02 PM
Quote from: bbsquared on January 19, 2007, 12:39:45 PM
You're right d-mac, Goucher going from 1 point down to 5 points down did not determine the outcome, the 3 point barrage did. I'm sure the 4 point swing had no effect on the Goucher players at half since they did tie it up a couple of times in the second half. I'm sorry my analysis was not as precise as it should have been. The ultimatre point was that the "T" arrived at a time that could effect the pyche of the team going into the second half against a physically superior team.
The air of sarcasm is THICK!
Anyway... no! If you knew the Goucher team... you would know that a tech from their coach is not something that would really affect them. No disrespect to Coach Trevino or the players, but it's not like he doesn't get techs rarely... or that the team isn't familiar with those techs. I will tell you as someone who has followed this team for over 11 years now... the tech meant nothing. A one or four point game in basketball with 21 minutes to play... is ridiculous to say swayed a team. If it went from one to four points in the final minute... you would have a more valid point!

Matt... I can't agree CUA is better... Massy ratings, be damned.
- UMW have and will play 13 of its first 15 games on the road... and are 11-2 (in Division III) right now (one game to go - and not counting Emory-Biddle game). CUA will play 9 of its 15 at home... and are 12-2, so far. One win (that counts) difference.
(UMW has 6 of their last 9 at home and CUA has 6 of their last on the road - and their opponents record is pretty much identical.)
- Catholic lost at home to a Goucher team they pretty much had on the ropes... maybe already on one knee... but couldn't put away! UMW took on the same intensity on the road... and dismantled the Gophers with an entire team effort... and a ton of threes.
- CUA lost to a Hood team, again at home, that while good... was beaten easily by UMW.
- Neither team has a steller out of conference schedule. CUA may have the win over Scranton to lean on... but UMW has a good win over Messiah.

All and all... I still think UMW is the better team. They have more weapons and players who can beat you. CUA only has a handful. However... we will have a face-to-face opportunity to decide Tuesday... amazingly AT Mary Washington!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 19, 2007, 02:38:07 PM
Right---so I won't belabor the point, except to just say that yes, both teams have had a couple of bad losses---really one for each, but other than that they've played well.  I think where we may disagree is that you are viewing the season as static, and I think its dynamic.  My overarching point lately has been that the Catholic team that lost to Goucher in December is gone.  Doesn't exist anymore.  Same uniforms, same gym, completely different team.  I think you have to look at how the teams have been playing and what they are doing.  Catholic's changed quite a bit, their rotations are different, the personnel is being used differently, and it has made a huge difference.

Frankly, other than the fact that its hurting Catholic in terms of conference standings, I'm not so interested in what happened back then.   I care a lot more about what has happened this month, and I love what I'm seeing.  I think if you had been in the stands for the York game, for instance, you might have been surprised.

But we'll see.  I'm not doing anything dumb like guaranteeing a win against the Eagles--but I feel a heck of a lot better about it now than I did when the season started.  There is no doubt that Mary Washington started out as the better team--and the BEST team in the league--but I think there's a good chance that Catholic has caught up.   Passed? We'll see.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on January 19, 2007, 03:25:17 PM
A dynamic season? In the CAC? No way?!

D-Mac, always level headed.  MW has home court advantage for the end of the season, importantly during CAC play. However, CUA and MW square off in their last games of the season at CUA, which certainly will play a roll in how things play out.

Matt, its very helpful to forget the past, especially when there are losses there! Thats the way a season is supposed to work, good teams get better as the season goes on, so CUA shouldn't have an advantage. They might be better, but so will the competition.

For all of MW's offensive prowess, their defense has picked up in CAC play, having allowed the fewest points of any team in conference play. Also, I wonder when teams will begin to leave the low post open as they over compensate for MW's perimeter attack? It'd be nice to really start distributing the ball to keep the offense off balance and get some better looks. Depending on the coach, opposing teams seem to be taking the percentages that an outside shooting team will have bad nights and keep letting them shoot there way to a loss.

Going back to what Andre said, Justin Baker IS the most underrated player in the league, or at least by this board. Everyone gets distracted by shiny PPG stats and fail to see how well rounded Baker is. Matt Hale, MW's deadly 3 point ace is one of the best in the league. Love to see a 2nd stringer averaging double digit ppgs and shooting 49% from beyond the arc!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CACsportsnut on January 19, 2007, 06:35:20 PM
hey guys...been reading along here for a bit, havent said anything yet, but wanted to have a little bit of fun.

I know you were all debating who is going to win the conference and player of the year and so forth, but im going to take it a step further, should get a bunch of replies and opinions on this....

I'm going to give my pick for Conference MVP, Freshman Of The Year, and Coach of the Year....then my 1st Team All-CAC-Conference and 2nd Team All-CAC-Conference...just like the CAC hands out at the finish of each season. Im sure there will be some who agree, and many who disagree, but hey, thats the fun in it all right?

MVP - I think the MVP has to go to the player who makes his team what it is. So it has to be a team with atleast a winning record in my mind. The guy must be indispensible and an absolute terror for the other team they are playing. I dont think you can think of any other players the Fumai and McGowan. This is where it gets tough...

Catholic is argueably, and I argue in there favor, the best all-around team in the conference....and Fumai is their best player. However, Catholic has Dwyer, and Wheeler, who have been playing exceptionally well, and you begin to wonder if Catholic could not still hold their own without Fumai in the lineup....but then you have to remember the big shots and the versatility that Fumai brings to the table, possibily making Dwyer and Wheeler the players they are?

York is obviously not as talented as it has been in the past couple years, but still they have a great mix of guys, mostly younger, and you can see that the talent is coming up through the ranks in the coming years. However, this is this year, and without McGowan, i wouldn't see York as a team that exceeds greatly past the .500 mark. 21 points and 9 rebounds a game is hard to pass up...

Its an even coin flip to me, until you look at the head to head match up, where McGowan had 14 points, 3 rebounds...and Fumai had 22 points and 7 rebounds....and I would say that 10-12 of those points for Fumai were back breakers to York

Advantage...........Fumai...As of now, he is my Conference Player Of The Year

Freshman of the Year I think must go to the Freshman who has made the biggest impact on his new team.

I think the pick has to go to Nick Brady of York....He's averaging a hair above 9 points per outing, 4 rebounds, and leads all freshman in scoring per game, offensive rebounds, FG% and 3-pointers made. That is a key addition to Yorks team who lost 4 key members of their rotation from last years squad.

You can argue maybe Jonathan Valencia of Gallaudet and even Johnny Jackson of Gallaudet, but Valencia has appeared in only 8 games this year, and Johnny Jackson is a solid all around contributer on the glass and scoring column, but there record isn't helping them and it dosen't seem that Jackson and Valencia's contributions have been able to help Gallaudet get into the winners circle very often

My winner...Nick Brady....Conference Freshman Of The Year

Coach Of The Year is an obvious call...Tom Dickman of Hood College

It is only their 4th year as a program at Hood College, and their first in the CAC Conference, and he already has the team in first place. Of course the transfer of super-sophomore Ryan Junghans is a plus, but knowing how to squeeze him in and getting this still young team to mesh is a talent he seems to stand above the rest in. He lost a player in Provanzano to graduation who averaged nearly 23 points per game last year, and still has his team leading the way for the stacked conference of the CAC.

My pick, with EASE!!! ..... Tom Dickman....Conference Coach Of The Year

CAC Conference 1st Team:

Scott Fumai
Chad McGowan
Ryan Junghans
Ray Williams
Jesse Gutekunst

CAC Conference 2nd Team:

James Russo
Sekoe White
Justin Baker
Segun Odumeru
Patrick Dwyer

Oh yeah...I'm sure everyone would like to here my picks...Regular Season champs - Hood College, CAC Tournament Champs - Mary Washington
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 19, 2007, 10:07:52 PM
Great first post.  Glad you joined the conversation.

I think your analysis is pretty spot on.  I'm not neccesarily sold on the Freshman of the Year picks only because there's so much of the season left to play, and of all the spots, that's the least settled as players develop.  But your argument makes sense. 

The only part you're going to get an argument on from me is the team picks of Hood and Mary Wash.  But, we've kind of covered that.   With the three top teams bunched up, its impossible to tell what will happen.  I can say that I'd like York to do both Catholic and Mary Wash a favor and knock off Hood though!  Go get 'em Gambers!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CACsportsnut on January 19, 2007, 10:37:43 PM
thanks for the confidance builder, Im more likely to post more now that I know mine was enjoyed...

Freshman Of The Year was hard to pick, because you do not here much about them, but Brady is the only one getting alot of buzz from people I talk to, I checked the box scores, stat wise he seems to be the best, even though it is more then statistics..but still he, and other freshman are so young. Plus, I noticed that your icon shows your a Catholic fan right? Well, I heard about the York game down there, and saw the box score, so if that is the only time you have seen him play, then I can agree. I'm yet to see him play though, heard some bad and some good, guess only time will tell. He seems to have a bright career ahead of him, but then again playing along side McGowan you can afford to make freshman mistakes and still look good!

York and Hood should be a good game, I wouldn't mind seeing Salisbury come back and claim some respect either, should be an interesting year!

Let me hear some comments, opinions, picks on the topic I started, see what others think...
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 19, 2007, 11:35:37 PM
Yes, I'm a Catholic fan!  I guess you could say I'm an old school one...been watching CUA since '98...Been a great run with Mike Lonergan, and there has been no drop off with Steve Howes.  I've seen almost every other team in the league rise up and fall back down, but Catholic's always there at the top.

I wasn't disagreeing with your pick, just saying that unlike the other awards, somebody could emerge that we're not focused on yet simply because there's so much season left and it takes a while for freshman to crack the rotation.

Its funny, though--I've seem some great freshmen in this league that I thought would be superstars and just never took it to the next level.  He's a very nice player, but Mike Lee of Mary Wash comes to mind---when I first saw him play, I thought he'd be an absolutely superstar by his senior year.  Well, he's good, but...not a superstar.  Fumai, on the other hand, didn't neccesarily look like he'd turn into what he's become.  In fact, he barely played at all his freshman year (granted, deeper teams).  Then you have a player like Stephen Wheeler--Catholic fans waited the better part of 3 and a half years for him to develop an offensive game, and then, wham, all of a sudden he's 12-15 and driving on McGowan like he's not even there.  Go figure.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CACsportsnut on January 20, 2007, 01:07:35 AM
Yeah i agree...Catholic always seems to have that knack of reloading and just always being a pain in everyone's side (in a good way of course). The CAC will not be the same without them in it.

You are definately correct with the growth and sometimes fall of great freshman players. You can have players such as McGowan and Ray Williams who do nothing bo improve from year to year, putting up bigger numbers the more they grow. Then you can have guys like Lee who seem to hit their peak at the first year of their collegiate career. It depends on many things...transfers...injuries...how hard he works or others work, alot of "IFS." But we won't know until two or three years from now. All we know now is that he is showing tremendous upside, and he has the ability to be the next great player at York College. Lets just hope he keeps his head on straight and learns from playing alongside Mcgowan and against great players like Fumai.

So whats the prediction for the Mary Wash - Catholic game? I got Catholic by 11, to big inside
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on January 20, 2007, 08:02:00 AM
Interesting conversation about ROY. Obviously, I believe Nick is having a very solid year and will garner some consideration for the award.
However, unlike previous years, there are not many freshmen making an impact on the league. If you get a chance, look through the conference stats. Very, very few freshman are among the league leaders in any categories. Usually, the league is stacked with significant freshman contributors but this year it seems like the conference is being driven by juniors and seniors with a few quality sophomores sprinkled in (Jughans, Hale, Witworth, Lankford, Gray, Mowl ect.). I believe, the last time I looked at the stats, Brady was just one of three freshman (Stokes of UMW and Jackson of GAL) that are even ranked in the CAC. That is certainly unusual for the conference.
Good luck today for the Spartans, they have their work cut out for them but if they want to climb back into the race, they need a big road win today.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on January 20, 2007, 10:57:33 AM
Wow, yeah I'd say some good first posts. Well, at least they struck up a conversation.

I do like all the bulletin board fodder everyone is posting about Mike Lee. Should get him going. But you do have to know some history of his team to understand his career. When he was a freshman, the Eagles were fresh off the previous year's trip to the NCAA tourney and the loss of high caliber players. He did however have MW's best PG ever playing, Evan Fowler and the big offensive of Jon Hurd too. Often, Lee and Fitzgerald would come off the bench and light it up. Lee's 2nd year, without those ties to the NCAA team, and the loss of Wilson and Ian Summers (very good soph/jrs) he lead the team on his shoulders. You'll see some 40 point games in the schedule from that year. Now, the past two years he's had a balanced team, the emergence of Baker and Fitzgerald, Pierce and this year, Hale. In my opinion, this years team could be as dangerous as his freshman year team, which went 20-8 and were the regular season champs.

And CUA by 11? At Wash? The Goonies? One of the first home games? Last home game against CUA? By 11? I'll take that as your rookie mistake. A mulligan.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cugrad on January 20, 2007, 01:15:09 PM
I am a Catholic fan, though I have to agree with mwgoonie. Winning at Mary Wash is a very difficult task for anybody. Catholic is a competitive team, and one of the best in the CAC, but they are much too inconsistent. Matt is correct when he says that the Cards are playing at a much higher level now than they were before the break. The emergence of Wheeler is the big reason for that. However, the home losses to Goucher and Hood make it very difficult for the Cards to win the regular season. They have put themselves in a position where they must win at Mary Wash. The Cards also face tough challenges at St. Mary's, at York, at Hood, and at Goucher - a team that has already won at Catholic. Catholic will dominate in the paint at Mary Wash, but to win, they must figure out a way to stop Mary Wash from draining too many threes. At Salisbury, I believe Catholic made 19 of 49 shots. That won't do it at Mary Wash. It certainly is possible that Catholic can win at Mary wash, or anywhere else, but I seriously doubt that they cal win by 11 down there.

GO CARDS!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 20, 2007, 01:53:32 PM
Matt... one major concern with your arguements... you can't just ignore the past during a season.

Something we talk about - practically preach - on Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville) each week is the fact that some teams are left out of the NCAA Tourney EVERY year because of a bad loss in November or December. So, those games have to be used to compare a team. If CUA is up for a Pool C bid at the end of this season, that loss at home to Goucher is going to be a glaring error... and one that could keep them out of the tournament - especially since it was at home, Goucher came from pretty far back, etc. So... comparing December and the entire season... is completely fair... and HAS to be used when comparing teams... and can not be simply ignored. Sorry Matt... you can't just ignore what you want and just move on. If that was the case... can I ignore all the games Goucher has played except the win over CUA... and say they are the best in the conference? (Extreme, I know!)

Finally... welcome to the new CUA poster... nice to have new people. As for ROY - I remember a year I thought Wasilenko deserved that at this point in the season... but by the end of the season... completely changed my mind.

As for Coach of the Year... could not agree with you more. That one may be completely wrapped up at this point in time.

POY - far too early. Fumai (as many CUA fans have argued), Gutekunst, Junghans, Baker, Lee, McGowan, and Williams (though, I don't think he should get it) are all fine candidates. I think we need to wait for a few more weeks of conference play before we can really get an idea of who deserves this!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 20, 2007, 02:26:26 PM
Well, you've done a fine job of twisting what I was actually saying, but that's part of the fun of this board.

First of all, I don't think the new poster is a CUA poster.  I don't who he's for.  I don't know who he is.   His strongest advocacy has been for a York player for ROY, if that is any indiciation.

I don't think you can ignore December losses, especially when the committee puts together its Pool C field.  But we aren't doing that here.  We were trying to figure out what is going to happen during the REST of this season.  Its a pretty pointless exercise to decide who the best team in the league is based on half the conference season, isn't it?  My point to you is that I think Catholic will finish stronger than they started because they are a better team now than they were when they picked up that bad loss to Goucher.  If I thought that loss was emblematic of the level of play we can expect from this team--in other words, if they hadn't shown improvement since then--I would never make such a statement.

As far as comparing the teams, I sort of feel like I need to point that Mary Washington has a really bad loss also, to Shenandoah.  Sure, it as on the road, but they're not a particulary good team.  Goucher, at least, has familiarity on its side--its not like Coach Trevino doesn't know CUA basketball.  Its always tougher to beat conference appointments because they know each other so well, it can act as a bit of a neutralizer.   But I feel the same way about that loss for Mary Wash--so what?

Nobody in this league was every going to go undefeated.   At the end of the day, if Catholic--AND Mary Wash & Hood, for that matter--beat the weaker teams on their schedule and trade wins with each other, they are all going to be in pretty good shape.

The difference between Goucher and Catholic is that Catholic's a good team, Goucher isn't especially.  (Sorry if that sounds harsh, but its true).   But in sports, on any given day, a bad team can beat a good team.  Mike Lonergan's Vermont team beat Boston College earlier this season.  Do you really think the Catamounts are BETTER than BC? Of course not.  BC played a lousy game, Vermont played a good game...duly noted and you move on.  It doesn't tell you much unless it keeps happening.  If Goucher had kept on winning, beating the better teams in the conference, well, that tells you something.  If Catholic had kept losing to weaker teams, that tells you something also.  That didn't happen.  So that's why it doesn't mean all that much to you.

As for the CUA-UMW prediction--yeah, I think CAC fan may have gone a bit overboard there.  I think the most reasonable thing to expect between those two teams is a split, and it is harder to win on the road.  I don't make predictions, but I think it will be a tight game.  CUA has to get past Gally first.  (Hey, don't laugh--they got us last year).


Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dan Johnson on January 20, 2007, 02:41:56 PM
Wow, Matt, you made me feel real old when you said you were an old school Catholic fan and have been since '98.  That hurts...
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dan Johnson on January 20, 2007, 02:42:42 PM
OK, seriously, I know there are not a lot of Hood fans here yet, but would certainly appreciate any updates on the game!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on January 20, 2007, 02:54:12 PM
Big Dan,

Halftime from Hood, York 45-Hood 36

McGowan has 15
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on January 20, 2007, 03:17:15 PM
From Hood,

York 55-Hood 47

14:30 left
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on January 20, 2007, 03:57:25 PM
Hood wins by two, I am not sure of what the score was.
York had a 13 point lead at one point time.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on January 20, 2007, 03:58:20 PM
Final 80-78
The Spartans had a chance to tie at the horn.

More details when I get the box.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on January 20, 2007, 06:11:18 PM
SMC beat UMW by three, no details yet.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 20, 2007, 06:26:22 PM
Hood over York - interesting.
SMC over UMW - what?!

How about this... Marymount over Salisbury... 76-65. Salisbury is not as good as everyone thinks they are. Again I say... they play at the same level and competition level as their opponents... and that equals trouble and plenty of losses.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 20, 2007, 07:11:37 PM
Oh... just to wrap up the craziness that is this day... CUA lost to GAL 55-51 today!

It's official... bad day for UMW, CUA, and YCP... and Hood proves they deserve to be on top. Also... all the POY candidates, except mine from Hood, lost today!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: hoodfan on January 20, 2007, 08:52:08 PM
Hood 88 York 78- Great game today in Frederick, York played awesome in the first half scoring all kind of ways. They had their transition game going and scored some easy baskets that way, and they also shot 6-8 from behind the arc to pull ahead to a 9 point lead at the half. Held Hood to 37% FG shooting in the first half. Hood clawed their way back into the game in the 2nd half by playing better defensively and getting the ball to Gutekunst inside. Hood couldn't seem to get the York lead below 6 for most of the half and then late in the half with about 3minutes left Hood finally got a lead, and the lead seesawed back and forth from there. York had the ball with 10 seconds to go down 2. They took a shot and Brady rebounded and drew a lot of contact, but no foul was called. It got a little bit ugly as the game ended as York's players and coaches started jawing with some of the Hood fans. It was a pretty emotional ending to a well played game.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: hoodfan on January 20, 2007, 09:11:19 PM
McGowan scored 27 on 12-17 shooting from the field, He's a player that you ask yourself why isn't he playing in a smaller D-1 conference. I guess that's the beauty of D-3 players like him who work and improve so much in their careers. My question to you veteran CAC guys is "How much better has he gotten since his freshman season?" I'd like to know peoples opinion.
Hood got a monster game from Gutekunst 25 points, 14 boards, Junghans had 23 points he got hot late in the game, and Robine had 15 points. Hood dominated the glass getting 42 rebounds to York's 29. Hood had 18 offensive board compared to York's 5. Hood has had 5 straight home games, and looks like they benefited from some upsets in the conference today.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cac on January 20, 2007, 10:14:38 PM
Menakaya is no longer playing for SU which is huge. He  was the only legit inside player for them and top rebounder. Without him it will probably force them to play more zone which they did against Catholic. This will cause a slower pace and limit their transistion game. I think this should help teams like Catholic, MW and York who are bigger but not as athletic. Frank Gerald who was playing well before break should be back next week.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on January 20, 2007, 11:03:19 PM
Were these really the scores today?? ???
WOW. The CAC standings are bunching up nicely, should make for a whale of a rest of season and tourney. Unfortunately, unless Hood wins out and would be upset in the final, maybe a one-team-in-the NCAA year for the CAC. Fortunately, the rest of the region seems to have "parity" as well.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on January 21, 2007, 12:08:17 AM
Gallaudet Bison won in a HUGE upset, 55-51 over Catholic Cardinals. It was very exciting and close game all the way. The Bison won at DuFour Center for first time since probably during the Anthony Jones' squad in the 1994 CAC play-off. The Bison end the 4 games losing streak and also end the Cards' 7 game winning streak.

More game details to come up soon.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 21, 2007, 12:48:22 AM
Well, thanks a lot Cardinals for making me look like a COMPLETE jackass!  That's what I get for talking them up.  :)

I had to leave to go to an event, so when I left the score was 40-38 CUA.  I don't know what happened down the stretch.  Probably just as well.

Classic Trap Game. The gym was totally dead despite a decent crowd, nobody was much into anything, the players had absolutely no rhythm, no sense of urgency...it was just a dead atmosphere. 

There's still no explanation for what I saw.  No offense,, bisonpride, but it isn't like Gallaudet played well.  They didn't.  They looked pretty bad.  Catholic just looked absolutely awful.  It really just comes down to making shots.  I don't ever remember a game in which they just missed so many shots, many of them GOOD shots.  They were 4-24 from 3.  I mean, that's staggering.  Many of those were good clean looks at the basket. 

With the extremely cold shooting, Gally was able to get themselves into a tight zone and just prevent Catholic from getting the ball inside.  That opened up the outside big time for the Cardinals but they couldn't hit...anything.  You can't beat the zone if you can't make a damn shot.  I don't know what else there is to say.

BOTH MW and CUA are going to be pretty motivated for next week.  WORK HARD Cardinals! Quality teams don't get derailed after a loss like this. 

As for Hood, D-Mac, go back about a month when I was trying to talk you into the fact that I thought they were totally legit...you were using words like maybe and could be, I was uh uh, more like are and will be.  Their win today is about the only thing that isn't surprising, but now they are in the driver's seat.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cac on January 21, 2007, 07:48:43 AM
The guard position for Catholic is average at best. If you can limit the inside game
you can cause some problems. I think that is why Hood matches up well with them. Hood does a nice job isolating their big man and he can step out to 10-12 feet.
Salisbury will have a hard time with Hood on Tue. Im sure they will try to double in the post but if SU not shooting well could be a fourth L in a row.
CAC is wide open. Still like MW only because they have four players that can score.
Need to defend better.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MuMu on January 21, 2007, 08:08:40 AM
Mu gets a winnn, but most important when I looked at the box score Coach Mac went with only 7 guys. I like it. Don't count MU out yet, we have some work todo. With Corey Diamond nack in the line up and Mike Grey having his ways down low, lets make a run.

CUA lost to the Gally, wow.
Hood just blows my mind.

I still think CUA wins CAC.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on January 21, 2007, 08:38:02 AM
Yeah, talk about a crazy Staurday. At SMC, it was a tale of 2 halves. The first half MW hit its three and SMC only had Lesesne going (who finished with 23, mostly in the 1st half). SMC must of had a dousy of a halftime speech becuase they came out firing. Wiped an 11 point 1/2 time lead to catch up. It was then back and forth the rest of the game. MW certainly could of toughed it out but there were some bad missed and a questionable T called on Hale with 2 minutes to go that forced MW to take a 3 instead of a 2 at the end of the game. Baker lead the Eagles with 15 points and 15 boards, he was very active. Hale was hot, hitting from inside and out, and finished with 19.

I personally felt awful after the game but was cheered to find out all the other big guys had off days too. Yes, it hurts the chances of the CAC getting more than one in the tourney.

Also, kudos to SMC's Alex Irmer who had a thunderous alley oop dunk.
As for Tuesdays game, who knows, as long as the CUA and MW teams that played yesterday dont show up, it'll be a good game.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 21, 2007, 12:03:51 PM
Well... the CAC has certainly turned into a... question mark!

I agree... I don't see the CAC getting two teams in the tournament at this point in time... unless two teams win from here on out... with just the championship as a loss (but, that still makes it tough to get a Pool C bid).

Matt... first off... you are so right about Gallaudet being a trap game. It doesn't matter if you play them at home or on the road... they are always a trap situation. However... play them at thier place... and you might as well start the game down 10-0.

Now to another topic. I agree that at the beginning of the season I didn't know what to make of Hood. I saw them play twice on back to back nights and was impressed... but just wasn't sure they could keep up that style of play through the CAC season. I also said I thought they would finish near the bottom of the conference because they were new to the intensity in the CAC. Though, I did say I thought they would have their upsets along the way... early on I didn't see them being in the top three.

Now... that all being said... since mid-December I have been saying Hood has surprised us all... and me! And since I have said that I have been more than impressed with the Blazers and think there is a legit chance they could win the conference in their first season!

Final, quick thought before I get back to working Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville) (in which Coach Dickman will be a guest in the Coach's Corner (http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/coachscorner.htm)... hint, hint!)... this week is a very important week for the CAC:
For starters... this is the first week nearly everyone is playing three games a week. That will last until the end of the season... enjoy!

- Tuesday: Hood @ Salisbury, SMC @ Goucher, Marymount @ Gallaudet, CUA and UMW
Unless Salisbury can find some offense and stop Hood... UMW is hoping to stay pace... and CUA is hoping to not fall more than two game back (pick-em). In the meantime... Goucher or SMC is going to make it a three horse race for fourth.

- Thursday: Hood @ Gallaudet, CUA @ SMC, Marymount @ UMW, Goucher @ YCP
Hood has to watch out for that "trap game" was refer to anytime anyone places Gallaudet. If Hood losses... we have another toss-up at the top! CUA needs to prove they won't over look some teams. SMC is a team that seems to be struggling... but will bite you if your not paying attention. And if YCP wants to remain in the race for a top seed... they better beat Goucher at their new home... a place they have not been able to do easily against anyone this season.

- Saturday: UMW @ Hood, Salisbury @ YCP, SMC @ Marymount, CUA @ Goucher
First place could be on the line in Frederick, especially if Hood slips against Gallaudet. Either way, the rematch will certainly tell us which team is to beat in this conference. Salisbury is going to be looking for themselves, now that they are without Ozi, YCP needs to prepare to play consistent basketball - especially at home. And CUA at Goucher... hmm. Should be a good match-up as always... but if Goucher wins this, CUA is in trouble. I honestly don't see the Gophers able to do it twice this season.

Oh... and if you thought things were tight this weekend... wait until next weekend. There is a chance first through sixth could be seperated by the same spread of three games as they are now!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ex_mu14 on January 21, 2007, 12:21:47 PM
Marymount looked good yesterday against Salisbury at home. I think Mike Gray is under rated b/c of his size. When you get him the ball, he can get you a double-double every night. What's his chances of making 1st or 2nd team all CAC?Salisbury had no one to stop him yesterday on the inside.  He scored eight points in a row to stop Salisbury late run in the second half.  He's averaging 14 and 7 on a team that doesnt look inside. When you play inside/out good things will happen..
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on January 21, 2007, 06:03:00 PM
Mary Washington couldn't hit a three to save its life in the second half. Baker did a great job on the offensive boards for putbacks though. It was hard to tell if the technical foul was warranted as something apparently was said on the court. Coach W was quite reserved after the ref explained to him what happened.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CACsportsnut on January 21, 2007, 10:25:51 PM
WHAT A CRAZY WEEKEND!!!!

I was at the Catholic - Galluadet game, and I must say, I have never seen a team as talented as Catholic, so flat for so long. They had one decent spurt, but the rest of the game they seemed to be in slow motion. In their defense, that can happen against a team that is known to be the "least talented" team in the league. Also, the place was dead, their fans were there but mide as well not have been, make some noise for your home team people, especially when there as good as Catholic is! Galluadet seemed to of held Fumai and dwyer in check, held both in single digits. Catholic had many more turnovers then assists, and just seemed almost uninterested. I pity Galluadet next time they play. Big game Tuesday though, let's see how well they bounce back...

Question: Did Catholic ever hear of air-conditioning for their gym though?

I had a friend at the MW - SMC game, said it was a great game to watch. Leseasne was unstoppable, Irmer's dunk had the crowd going INSANE, he said you could see SMC wanted it more. For MW, he said Baker put on an insane performance, and i checked the box score and saw that he had 15 rebounds, 7 of which were offensive? WOW! He said they key to the game, While SMC was working for good shots, while MW shot alomst 40 3-pointers and made only 12. Also....Mike Lee went scoreless?

My brother in law was at the Hood - York College game, informed me York had a double-digit lead and was 2 or 3 plays from blowing it wide open. Once again, they couldn't put the thing away. I was told Gutekunst and Junghans put on Player of the year performances, notching 25 and 23 respectably. McGowan looked dominant as usual. Heard York point guard Brad Zerfing got a look at a driving lay-up, got hit, no call, and Nick Brady got a look off the offensive rebound with one second left. I was told he was fouled also, but I think the refs were smart not calling the foul and I didn't even see it, you have to make the kids win it like that on their own. Heard reffing was sketchy both ways, and the last call brought about some moans and groans from the crowd, which brought shouts from Hood fans at York players, which almost had Brady and McGowan in the stands. Thankfully nothing came of this.

2 morals to the stories: Players, do not worry about the fans, you are representing yourselves, your team, your families and your school. Tune that stuff out.

Fans, learn to be fair sports, whether its winning or losing with class and dignity, do not yell at the players, they are the reason you are at the game anyways, you payed to come see the, they didn't pay to see you, so either way, the joke is on us, right?

Just my thoughts...
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 21, 2007, 11:07:20 PM
Interesting observation.

Yeah, the Catholic gym can get HOT.  Life in D3.  Its a nice facility overall, but I'm sure climate control would be extremely expensive--prohibitively so for a school at that level.  Especially when you consider how often they really need it--for basketball games but that's about it.   Hey, the CBS Announcers tonight was saying the RCA Dome was a total sauna...it happens indoors.

McGowan seems like a good kid, but he's got to worry about his dad.  He gets very hot under the collar on the road and Chad has to calm him down after the game to keep him from doing something stupid.  By the way--I like to see the refs let the guys play, too, but if there really is a foul on the last play of the game, than they should have the courage to call it.  It drives me nuts that all the rules go out the window at the end.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on January 22, 2007, 02:08:11 AM
Bison upset the Cards in defense battle at the DuFour for it's first CAC win!

Gallaudet (3-12, 1-6) - 55
@Catholic (12-3, 4-3) - 51

Half: Gallaudet led 25-24

Gallaudet Bison end it's 4 games slide by beating the in-town conference game over Catholic Cardinals at the DuFour Center for their first conference win of the year. Catholic was on 6 games winning streak prior the game. The game was closing (look at the largest lead below) for the whole game. The CUA Cards last led, 40-38, with 9:01 to go. Gallaudet responded with a 14-6 run to lead 52-46 with 28.7 seconds left. Gallaudet Bison hit key free throw down in the stretch at the final minute, while the CUA Cards couldn't convert them.

Gallaudet Bison
Jon Mowl - 13 points, 5 assists, 2 rebounds and 2 steals in 39 minutes
Onye Davis - 13 points (5-6 FG) and 7 rebounds
Sekoe White - 11 points, 7 rebounds, 2 steals and block in 39 minutes
Jonathan Valencia - 10 points (5-6 FT), 2 rebounds and assist

Catholic Cardinals
Stephen Wheeler - 11 points (4-6 FG, 3-4 FT), 3 rebounds and block
Nick Olivero - 9 points, 3 rebounds, 2 assists, and steal in 24 minutes off the bench
Scott Fumai - 9 points (2-10 FG, 1-7 3FG), 6 rebounds, and block in 31 minutes
Patrick Dwyer - 6 points (0-7 FT), 13 rebounds, block and foul out in 34 minutes
Sean Stolzenthaler and Steven Papageorge - 6 points each
Mike Wasilenko - 0 point, 3 steals and 3 turnovers in just 9 minutes

Stats of the Game
Field Goal %: GU - 39.1% (18-46), CUA - 35.4% (17-48)
3 Point FG %: GU - 28.6 (4-14), CUA - 16.7% (4-24)
Free Throw %:
GU - 71.4% (15-21), CUA - 56.5% (13-23)
Total Rebounds: GU won with the margin of 6. GU - 12 off./26 def.= 38, CUA - 12 off./20 def.= 32  
Largest leads: GU - 6 (52-46 in 2nd half with 30 seconds left), CUA - 3 (17-14 in 1st half with 10:12 left). There was 10 ties during the game. After the 10th tie (40 all) of the game with 7:18 left on the clock in 2nd half, the Bison grabbed the final lead and seal the game away for the final 6:48 remaining in the game.

The Bison will play at home in the Field House for next 4 games and look to increase their winning streak. Marymount Saints (7-8, 2-5) is coming up next for Gallaudet on tuesday, January 23th at 8pm. On the same day, the Cards will try to renew their winning streak with the other conference rivalry and tough road game at the Goolrick Gymnasium, the home of the Mary Washington Eagles (11-4, 5-2) at 8pm.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on January 22, 2007, 09:27:13 AM
Crazy weekend.

I gotta tell you... two point losses suck! They suck more when you have a shot to win, and more than that if the ref's did blow a call.

This it the type of year where a 7 seed could win the tourny and be the only CAC school in the dance.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dan Johnson on January 22, 2007, 02:16:01 PM
I wasn't at the York game so I am not sure about a foul or not.  That being said, regardless of who is playing, if a kid gets fouled, then it should be called.  Whether it is with ten minutes or two seconds.  If not, then the game gets out of hand because I will tell you that when I played, if I knew the refs weren't going to call it, I would hack the crap out of you.  So you can't let it come to that.  I hate to hear about when that happens and it doesn't matter who is playing.  I know that I have disagreed with Matt in the past on reffing complaints (you've been really good this year, by the way, Matt!!), but I do agree with him here.  It drives me nuts, too when they decide to let them play out a game.  It seems like they forget sometimes that it is not a twenty point game and that the no call they just made could have made a difference in the game.  Cacsportnut, you sort of contradict yourself in my opinion.  You want to see the kids win it on their own, but by not making a call, the refs in fact are helping with the win.  Put the kid on the foul line if you want to see the players win or lose a game.  Just my two cents worth.
On a side note, I was at the Vermont/Binghamton game on Sunday and said hello to Coach Lonergan.  His team reminded me of a bigger, stronger, more talented Catholic team.  They play the same way and coach is just as intense!!!  They go the win...and for the record, I am a Vermont fan, so I was happy to see them get the 'W'!.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on January 22, 2007, 03:04:28 PM
Hey Dan, any chance we'll be seing ol #32 at the alumni game on Saturday? I know it's a hell of a Drive and all but it would be good to see you again.

Matt Leon is coming in from Philly to do the PA, just like old times.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dan Johnson on January 22, 2007, 03:34:32 PM
I am planning on attending on Saturday.  I can't wait to hear Matt call out our names!!!  As for me, unfortunately, I had knee surgery three weeks ago so I am not 100%, but you might be seeing some limited action.  Please come up and say hello.  See you then!
Dan
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MuMu on January 22, 2007, 06:21:56 PM
Hood will crumble, they have some tough road games coming up, Will give them credit with the wins in there own gym, CAC on the road maybe next year Hood. They have to play at Gally for the first time, thats a loss.

Muuuuu lets gooooooooo

exmu 14 where were you on a honeymoon or something
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 22, 2007, 07:03:40 PM
Mumu... in all seriousness... what are you smoking?!

Secondly, how can anyone from Marymount... fans... players... etc. make any comments about any team in this conference? On paper... Marymount should be one of the top teams in the CAC this year; the past several years; most of the past decade. But, the Saints have yet to put together a season or a stretch of games where they play well as a unit and as well as the expectations (no matter how LOW).

So, to then say Hood will crumble... when they are doing in thier first season in the conference what Marymount hasn't been able to do in YEARS... is ridiculous! Do you remember your conference standing right now? Second to last... only one game ahead of Gallaudet!

Also... Hood's "home" games are more like road games anyway. The team has to pack their bags, pack basketball balls, and dress in a strange locker room. If you don't believe me... listen to Coach Dickman (http://www.d3hoops.com/archive/dickman12107.mp3) on Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville) last night.

OH... and Hood has proven they can win on the road in the CAC... or did you miss the score from Saturday when the Blazers came from 18 points back AT York to defeat the Spartans ON THE ROAD!!! Or the win at Catholic!

And the Saints have Gallaudet on Tuesday... concentrate on beating them before you predict someone else losing to the Bison.

I am certainly not from Hood... though I am certainly impressed with them. However, I am more unimpressed with posters who post stupid comments - especially from schools like Marymount who struggle to find .500.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on January 22, 2007, 07:28:10 PM
I agree with D-MAC, i do believe Hood will lose some road games but they may have the one seed in this tourney.

d-mac- they did not be york at grumbacher, the game was at Hood.

I think these next 4 games will tell us how good York can be.  The talent is there it is putting it all together... IF they do that, they can be a very dangerous 4 or 5 seed
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 22, 2007, 07:38:36 PM
Terribly sorry... not sure why I thought the Hood/York game was at Grumbacher. I have honestly been thinking that for three days! Jeez!

Anyway... Hood is not going to win the next nine conference games (three at home) without taking some losses. But if they don't finish in the top three (heck, top two), I would be shocked!

Marymount on the other had... might not even make the CAC Tournament this season (I don't see any "play-in" games scheduled... so I assume only the top eight teams make the tournament)!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on January 22, 2007, 08:01:37 PM
Big games tomorrow.
Would love to see a classic Goolrick crowd at the game tomorrow. It can really mess with oppossing teams. CUA, however, seems to be one of a few teams that can handle it. Also, would love to see the Fumai brothers square off, ha! Actually, with Lee and Fumai, and Dwyer for that matter having had poor games Saturday, would love to see them really go at it top notch. If the teams stay close to the end we could be in for a real treat, heck, its always a treat, its just better when the Eagles win. Late in a close game, CUA could control the game by going inside and getting to the foul line. MW is never out of a close game because they have 5 guys who can hit the 3 ball to cut leads quickly or put daggers in the opponents.

Hood is in not in the clear to be the #1 seed as they have tough games, home or away. Don't forget, MW already beat them once. And in my opinion, any of the top 4 :o or 5 seeds could take the crown in the tourney. We'll see who's ready the play and which coaches make the adjustments in the home stretch.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 23, 2007, 04:24:13 AM
Quote from: cuabigdog on January 09, 2007, 04:44:21 PM
well it seems that the Catholic Curse is back.. new top 25 out and not even others receiving votes..  at 10-2 you'd think they'd at least get a mention... the same goes for Mary Wash... politics at it's best  i guess.. well it doesn't matter where you are in the polls at this point but where you finish in March

Maybe the curse is someone whining for votes they don't deserve. I thnk what went around came around, eh?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on January 23, 2007, 08:10:12 AM
We stayed quiet, and that didn't work either :-)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on January 23, 2007, 08:34:58 AM
ha, neither did losing to SMC!

MAtt, who you got tonight?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ex_mu14 on January 23, 2007, 08:36:06 AM
Since the league is wide open I wouldnt count any team out at this point. Marymount needs to put three or four solid games together before i say anything. I read the board every day but I dont make predictions like you MuMu...

D-Mac

What has Goucher done since 1998? Goucher is 6-9 this year so you shouldnt be talking either! Marymount is a game out of 6th place and two game out of 3rd or 4th. I guess no one from Marymount is allowed to make an opinion or prediction on this board since Marymount is second to last in the conference.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MuMu on January 23, 2007, 09:15:14 AM
ExMu14 I predict what I feel and think, thats life right. how did the alumni game go?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ex_mu14 on January 23, 2007, 10:28:48 AM
I missed the alumni game b/c my high school team had a game Saturday. I heard the turn out was great though. It came down to another buzzer beater again this year.

FYI

Catholic is recruiting two of my players at St.Stephen's & St. Agnes School in Alexandria, VA. I can't believe I'm helping CU out...haha
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on January 23, 2007, 10:51:29 AM
If UMw hits the threes, they win. If they go cold on threes like at St. Mary's Catholic better make the most of it.  Goolrich should be nuts tonight and UMW better feed off the crowd.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cugrad on January 23, 2007, 01:15:34 PM
Mary Wash is probably the most difficult place to win for a visiting cac team. If they are hitting their threes, Catholic is in trouble. The only area in which the Cards seem to be consistent is in shooting poorly. To win, you must play tough defense, rebound well, and put the ball into the basket. In most of their games this year, Catholic has has played tough "D", and rebounded well, but has not shot the ball very well. To win at Mary Wash, Catholic must do all three! I hope that they can do it, but I wouldn't bet on them tonight! Mary Washington by 10.

GO CARDS!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 23, 2007, 01:51:10 PM
Well for Catholic, I think its as simple as playing their game.  They've beaten teams that have shot out of their mind against them--they've have opponents shoot near 60%, even from 3, and still won.  They just have to stay in their sets, be determined and not turn the ball over.  I think they have a major rebounding advantage.  That being said, obviously if both Fumai and Dwyer struggle they will have a tough night.

Obviously UMW is very tough place to play, but the Cardinals are led by seniors who have won there before.  I think a lot of the guys relish the chance to play down there actually. 

Should be a good game--I still wish they would play this game on a weekend so that more people could see it, but I'll be following online tonight.  I wouldn't be surprised to see BOTH teams play well after experiencing bad losses. 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on January 23, 2007, 02:33:51 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on January 23, 2007, 01:51:10 PM
Well for Catholic, I think its as simple as playing their game.  They've beaten teams that have shot out of their mind against them--they've have opponents shoot near 60%, even from 3, and still won. 

Mary Washington shoots way more 3s than anybody in the CAC, averaging 34 three point attempts a game. If Catholic - which is good defending the 3, maybe the best in the league by the stats - lets UMW hit anywhere near that 60% mark, Catholic has no chance.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 23, 2007, 02:51:49 PM
No, not 60%.  But CUA did beat Susquehanna even though SU shot 56% for the game and 47% from 3.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on January 23, 2007, 03:45:15 PM
I think we'll see UMW "flex" tonight and by flex, I mean their muscles. Give CUA a goodbye to Goolrick. It will be awesome and bittersweet tonight, at least for those of us that actually care about the CAC. Lot of memories down there. I believe one of the Goonies still owes Andy Dickman and few bucks and a quarter pounder stemming from a bet during warm ups.

MW by 10? I hope they come out and stay that strong. Almost rather have a nail biter capped by a Mike Lee 3 ball or a Baker put back for the win.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MuMu on January 23, 2007, 04:38:24 PM
Any Gally fans that can post halftime score from the game tonight would be great.

MU by 4
CUA by 6

My upset of the week Sal by 7 over the "HOOD"
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: hoodfan on January 23, 2007, 04:52:10 PM
I don't feel that Hood will "crumble" on the road in the 2nd half of their CAC schedule. Remember that Hood was an independent school in the first 3 years of their existence and with that status they played plenty of good teams on the road, either in weekend tournaments or single games. I am not saying they will win out on the road, this league is too good for that, but I think they will hold their own and have a good shot at being one of the top seeds come CAC tourney time. They have already beaten Catholic at their place. Hood has played some quality teams in D3 basketball in the early stages of their existence (Carnegie Mellon, Lincoln, John Carroll, Bethany, Widener, York, Averitt, Emory) to name a few. Hood's players are definitely battle tested against good teams
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MuMu on January 23, 2007, 08:34:50 PM
any halftime scores
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 23, 2007, 08:45:16 PM
Goucher 47 SMC 46 HALF - 2nd Half just started
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on January 23, 2007, 08:47:35 PM
Halftime at Goolrick,

CUA 26, UMW 22

UMW is 1-14 on threes.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MuMu on January 23, 2007, 08:48:22 PM
Thanks dmac
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 23, 2007, 08:58:03 PM
Quote from: mwcsid on January 23, 2007, 08:47:35 PM
Halftime at Goolrick,

CUA 26, UMW 22

UMW is 1-14 on threes.

Yikes. 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Coach C on January 23, 2007, 08:59:39 PM
1-14?

Surely that's a typo!

C
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 23, 2007, 09:00:56 PM
Hope UMW doesn't get hot in the second half... tight game and they are shooting 1-14... bad sign for the Cardinals I think!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 23, 2007, 09:13:19 PM
By the way... link to the scoreboard page... which is at least being updated constantly here at Goucher... in case you want to keep track during the halves.

http://www.d3hoops.com/schedule.php?date=2007-01-23&team=mens
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on January 23, 2007, 09:16:11 PM
8:21 left

UMW 43, CUA 39

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 23, 2007, 09:18:02 PM
79-78 SMC 2:30 2nd
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 23, 2007, 09:22:28 PM
82-80 SMC with 47.6 sec... SMC ball out of bounds on goucher's baseline
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on January 23, 2007, 09:23:02 PM
UMW 51, CUA 46

5:29 left
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on January 23, 2007, 09:27:51 PM
UMW 59, CUA 50

3:08 left
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 23, 2007, 09:31:05 PM
86-80 FINAL SMC Wins...

Pretty interesting game... actually a lot of fun to watch... both teams came back from deficits many times... and both teams didn't quit. Goucher got a bit messy in the end... and that cost them a ten point lead.

And having no other threat besides Jones and Russo hurt them as well. One side note... I believe Jones tied a Goucher record for the most points in a game ... with 38 - but we will have to double-check with Sanders :).
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 23, 2007, 09:44:51 PM
Wow.  38! That's impressive...but in a loss. 

Looks like the Cardinals are going to drop one at Mary Wash.  Well, they've got to split with the Eagles so the pressure is on.  Basically, they just have to play good basketball again.  I don't know what happened between Wednesday at Salisbury and Saturday at home to cause a team that was rolling along so nicely to get so off track.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on January 23, 2007, 09:46:44 PM
Final -
UMW 64, CUA 56

Baker 16, Fitzgerald 14, Lee 12, Pierce 10

Olivero 13, Wasilenko 12, Fumai, Wheeler 10 each
Dwyer was 3-13 from the ft line.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: hoodfan on January 23, 2007, 10:05:45 PM
Hood 80 Salisbury 72 at Salisbury don't know many details other than Gutekunst took advantage of Salisbury's lack of size and had close to 30. Hood evidently shot well from the free throw line down the stretch to seal the W.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 23, 2007, 10:17:26 PM
Dwyer was 3-13 from the line, and what...0-7 the last game?

That pretty much sums that up, doesn't it?  You can't coach free throws out of your seniors.  Wow. 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on January 23, 2007, 10:26:41 PM
UMW actually made some layups! and CUA missed its free throws especially down the stretch.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on January 23, 2007, 10:42:45 PM
Final from Washington, DC...

Marymount - 70
@Gallaudet - 50

Halftime: Marymount led 30-27

Leader Scorer
Gray (MMU): 36 points
Valencia (GU): 16 points
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 23, 2007, 11:23:38 PM
David Clark never scored more than 48?

SID -- I hope you posted in-progress scores on the Scoreboard as well as here on the message board. There are a lot more people looking at that on a given night than at the board. :)

Your username and password gives you access for that.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 24, 2007, 12:41:46 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 23, 2007, 11:23:38 PM
David Clark never scored more than 48?

SID -- I hope you posted in-progress scores on the Scoreboard as well as here on the message board. There are a lot more people looking at that on a given night than at the board. :)

Your username and password gives you access for that.
David, as I stated earlier, I use the scoreboard as my ESPN "crawl" to direct me to a specific board if there is a game I wish to "check out".

Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 24, 2007, 06:52:38 AM
Pierre Jones tied the all-time record for most points by a Goucher player... from that I suspect that David Clark never scored more than 38 in a game :)!

And Ralph... who are you talking to?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ex_mu14 on January 24, 2007, 06:58:59 AM
Marymount - 70
@Gallaudet - 50

Halftime: Marymount led 30-27

Leader Scorer
Gray (MMU): 36 points
Valencia (GU): 16 points


I'm telling you guys, Mike Gray is under rated b/c of his size. He should be CAC player of the week after 24 pts and 12 rebs against Salisbury. Then he followed that performance with 36 points against Gally. I havent seen the box score but he probably had a double doube. When he get his touches inside, Marymount wins. Hopefully, the coaching staff realize that and keep giving him the ball. This will also open up the outside game for the guards.

I coached Mike for four years in High school and i know what he can do!

MU is moving up in the league standing...Let's take it one game at time.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 24, 2007, 07:07:41 AM
Quote from: ex_mu14 on January 23, 2007, 08:36:06 AM
D-Mac

What has Goucher done since 1998? Goucher is 6-9 this year so you shouldnt be talking either! Marymount is a game out of 6th place and two game out of 3rd or 4th. I guess no one from Marymount is allowed to make an opinion or prediction on this board since Marymount is second to last in the conference.
For starters, I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you don't know I do more than just follow Goucher Basketball. That being said, until my comment about last night's game... I hadn't said anything about Goucher in a few weeks. Also, I have been saying all year long that Goucher was going to be a .500 team this season - not too shabby for a team that was 3-24 last year.

Just so I make sure to clear things up... while I am a graduate of Goucher and still work as their PA (12th season), I do a heck of a lot more than cover or follow Goucher. The amount of time I concentrate on Goucher pales in comparison to all the other teams/conferences/regions I am following around the nation. And after 10-plus years of that work... I tend to think that many see my posts as not from someone who is only a Goucher fan... but one who may know just a little bit of what I am talking about.

As far as saying you can't post your opinions... that wasn't my point. My point was, at least make those opinions make sense and have some facts to them. Having a Marymount fan say that Hood is going to fall apart is simply hypocritical. We all have been saying for years how the Saints do that year in and year out. Hood on the other hand (thanks to another win AT Salisbury) is showing they are the class of this conference game in and game out... and only in thier first season.

The post I complained about was completely unfounded and when it comes from a fan whose team was beaten already by Hood... it makes less sense, in my opinion!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ex_mu14 on January 24, 2007, 07:27:44 AM
Secondly, how can anyone from Marymount... fans... players... etc. make any comments about any team in this conference? On paper... Marymount should be one of the top teams in the CAC this year; the past several years; most of the past decade. But, the Saints have yet to put together a season or a stretch of games where they play well as a unit and as well as the expectations (no matter how LOW).

First of all, I didnt make that statement about Hood, that was MUMU. If that's what the guy feels then he can say whatever. I never said, I agreed with him.

Who's putting the high expectations on Mu? They haven't done anything in the last four years, so why would any Mu fan have high expectations. Yeah, any team can look good on paper, but you still have to play the game. With the league so even, I think they can make a ran. If hoods the best team, then Marymount isnt far off. Hood beat them in double overtime at their place.

Marymount is a better team with Corey Diamond back and Mike Gray playing solid in the post.


Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on January 24, 2007, 08:18:09 AM
Great game at Goolrick.
MW started slow as mentioned previously but had the look in their eyes that they had this game. The turning point was Mike Lee getting out of his multi game slump. it can make alot of team nervous to know when he gets hot, everyone feeds off of him. After the 1/2, Pierce and Baker really started working the inside, rebounding and attacking on offense.
Dwyer really killed CUA with his performance at the line. Hack-a-Dwyer. There's a hint for close games against CUA.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 24, 2007, 09:21:39 AM
Apparently so, all of a sudden, but until the last two games, he was actually running about .100 over his previous FT average.  He still wasn't great, but he was in the mid-60s which isnt going to kill you.  And the thing is, he actually has a nice stroke!  Against Salisbury down the stretch he was perfect and put the game away for CUA.  What happened all of a sudden?  3-for his last 20! Drives you nuts.  I'm sure it drives him nuts, too, it isn't like he's trying to miss.  I hope he can relax and work it out. 

I looked at the boxscore and shook my head.  I don't know what happened, but there's no way Catholic should be getting outrebounded by anybody in this league, let alone Mary Wash.  I'm guessing they were taking shots that were missing but quite a bit, which of course creates long rebounds and makes it impossible to box out. 

Sounded like a pretty ugly game overall.  But still, you tell me how a team can go from blowing out York to losing to Gallaudet and then playing that ugly in Fredericksburg in the span of less than a week?

???

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MuMu on January 24, 2007, 09:41:21 AM
DMac,
If you want me to run my post by you before I post it let me know big guy.

In none of my post have I said Marymount this and that. I just want them to win another great game by Mike Gray and Yes ExMu14 CD makes the team alot better.

For as Hood I'm sticking to my guns if you dont like it, dont read it.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ex_mu14 on January 24, 2007, 10:34:19 AM
MU is a game back from the 4-4 teams.. Big game at UMW tomorrow!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on January 24, 2007, 10:39:06 AM
well dwyer airballed one FT and a majority of the others were front enders. Maybe the endurance is runnign down and his legs are tired? possible. It wasn't an ugly game in the second half. First, yes. AJ Fitzgerald got pummeled by a pick and the Eagles had the most fouls called on them all year. That shows a strong effort to maintain a presence inside - as you'll see in the block stats, rebounding, and inside scoring. Also, MW had a nice scheme later in the game by clearing out inside and letting Baker take Wheeler 1-0n-1.

With this new effort at inside presence, MW will be harder to beat.  Personally, I don't think Marymount will beat MW tomorrow. I think it will be a better than then their first meeting but MW hopefully is using the SMC loss to refocus on the prize. They have to keep pace with Hood and it should be exciting for Eagle fans!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on January 24, 2007, 10:44:01 AM
Not only new, but surprising, at least to me.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on January 24, 2007, 11:11:00 AM
Surprising but you can't argue with the results! :D
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on January 24, 2007, 11:18:53 AM
Nope, can't argue with the results. It's a good adjustment. They seemed too fixed on the 3s and 100 point games before. Going inside too will improve their overall game. If it had happened earlier, maybe the record would be even better. Maybe it will help position them for the stretch run.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on January 24, 2007, 12:01:44 PM
Cetainly,

I dont think Wood will use that method very much or often during games but he identified a situation were he could take advantage and score some points.

the layups and put-backs were fun to see as well. Gets the team motivated, even if we missed a bunch too.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on January 24, 2007, 05:09:02 PM
Quote from: ex_mu14 on January 24, 2007, 06:58:59 AM
I havent seen the box score but he probably had a double doube.

Yup, Mike Gray got double-double.. Here's his line.. 36 points (15-19 FG, 6-6 FT), 10 rebounds, assist, block and steal in 38 minutes. Brandon Parker got 16 points on 7-11 shooting while the Marymount as team shooting an ridicious 68% field goal in second half alone.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on January 24, 2007, 05:31:52 PM
The Saints' Mike Gray and Brandon Parker tandem lead the way in 70-50 victory over Gallaudet

Marymount - 70
@Gallaudet - 50

Half: MMU lead 30-27

Marymount Saints (8-8, 3-5)
Gray - 36 points (15-19 FG, 6-6 FT) and 10 rebounds in 38 minutes
Parker - 16 points (7-11 FG), 5 assists, 4 steals and 3 rebounds in 32 minutes
Stanbeck - 8 points and 9 rebounds
Majors - 6 assists in 38 minutes

Gallaudet Bison (3-13, 1-7)
Valencia - 16 points and 3 assists
Mowl - 11 points, 3 assists and 3 steals
White - 12 points
Davis - 7 points and 6 rebounds

Key stats:
* Marymount got 44 points in the paint. 36 of those 44 points came from Mike Gray alone.
* Marymount shot 68% FG for second half alone to put the game out of the reach.
* Parker and Gray combinated for 52 out of team's total 70 points.
* After 52% FG performance by the Bison in first half, they shot 35% in 2nd half.
* Marymount got 10 more free throw attempts than Gallaudet in whole game. Bison shot only one attempt in first half alone.


The next opponent for the Bison would be conference's first place, Hood College (14-3, 7-1) coming to the Field House on Thursday, January 25th at 8pm. Gallaudet is looking for it's revenge at home after losing 77-64 to Hood earlier this season at Frederick.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MuMu on January 24, 2007, 07:15:02 PM
Bisonpride thanks for all of the stats.

I was laying on the beach today and thoughs came to my mind. I have not seen Hood play this year, so who knows what they will do the rest of the way. being a former play Its just tough for me to see them win the CAC in there first year.

Mike Grey we all should agree should be CAC player of the week. Hats of to the coaching staff setting him up for sucess.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 24, 2007, 08:50:47 PM
Yeah but Jones had more points!

Its a LONG week this week.  Lets see what happens.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ex_mu14 on January 25, 2007, 06:58:58 AM
Mike Gray had 24 points (11 for 17 from the field) and 12 rebounds against Salisbury in a Win on Saturday. Then 36 points (15 for 19 from the field) and 10 rebounds against Gally in a Win on Tuesday.. Gray has put together two huge games in a row. I'm looking forward to another double double against UMW.

Yeah, Jones had more points and his team lost too. How many shots did Jones take Tuesday night?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ex_mu14 on January 25, 2007, 07:38:34 AM
Marymount's box score has Gray with 38 points and 11 rebounds..
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 25, 2007, 08:07:08 AM
Pierre was 16 for 23 from the floor... and six for eight from the free throw line... just to assist what ever arguement is being made. There are three games this week for most teams... let's see how Pierre does against York tonight and CUA on Saturday... and how Gray does UMW tonight and St. Mary's on Saturday (by the way... last Saturday's game won't count towards player of the week honors this week - names are submitted on Sunday/Monday of each week).

By the way... Goucher lost thanks to the very good play of Tyson Lesesne and Mike Smelkinson Tuesday night. Tyson didn't play much in the first half (five minutes) because of foul trouble, but still finished that half with 12 points on very good shooting from deep... and had 26 points for the game. He then practically carried the team back into the game in the second half along with great help from Mike Smelkinson (16 points). I think many have missed this, but Smelkinson has started the last four games for the Seahawks in place of senior Dan Englestad. My sources tell me Englestad is fine with this move... saying he just wants to win. And it's paying off... St. Mary's has won eight of the last ten... including four straight (which Smelkinson has started and Englestad has been the sixth man).

Oh... and Alex Irmer is a very good post player... with a few years left to play!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on January 25, 2007, 09:48:08 AM
DMAC,

I agree with your comments on SMC. I was at the MW@ SMC game lats saturday and agree that Smelkinson, Irmer, and Lesesne are developing into a good trio. Lesesne carried them in the first half and Irmer and Smelkinson really brought it to cut the MW 11 point half time lead. SMC is this year's CAC snake in the grass. They'll sneak up on teams and win few good games down the stretch and into the tourney.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ex_mu14 on January 25, 2007, 10:00:55 AM
Alex Irmer played high school basketball in Arlington for Wakefield and i don't understand why MU didn't go after him. You have kids in your backyard going to other dIII school when they're ten minutes away from Marymount..
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: BisonFan on January 25, 2007, 11:35:02 AM
What ever happened to Luther Weedon from Gallaudet and Ozi Menakaya for Salisbury? They are/were both great players and we haven't seen all season! ???
Anyone know why none the Gally coaching staff showed up to Juniata? ??? :o
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: hoodfan on January 25, 2007, 01:14:16 PM
Weedon left Gallaudet very early in the season. Maybe played 1 or 2 games if any at all. Just don't think he liked it there.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
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Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MuMu on January 25, 2007, 04:22:55 PM
Come on guysss, I thought it was going to be a peaceful night.

MU didn't go after him for the EXACT reasonn he was forced out of Randolph Macon and the same reason that Tyson is no longer attending Delaware St.! It is pretty common knowledge in these parts. MU has a 6'8 post better than him, he was diagnosed with a brain tumor this fall. Not much a team can do about that. They brought in 5 excellent impact players (out of 8 total) into the program this year and only 1 of those 5 is in uniform right now(Stanback) due to injuries and that doesn't count Diamond missing half the season and now playing on one leg. They will be fine and they are going to do it the right way. By the way, how many people have been academically inelligible with this coaching staff at the school so famous for that problem? I know it's a hard number for most of you to reach, but it is ZERO, not one player on their team has been lost to grades for four years."
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MuMu on January 25, 2007, 04:28:52 PM
D-Mac,
You talk about how Goucher exceeded expectations versus Marymount underachieving? Goucher had 2 All-Conference players last year to MU having none and no seniors last year. With Jones back now, Goucher has 2 again this year. Marymount rolls out a 6'2" center! With all of thier injuries they still took Hood to double overtime on the road, and have put up a battle in every game but the second half of York at York. MU has less talent that is healthy than everyone else in the league except maybe Gallaudet and they are still in it with no point guard and no center. How many teams in this league are TOTALLY dependant on their two best players? MU has been playing without theirs. I think Mary Wash and St Marys might be the only teams to survive that. Go ahead guys, slam all you want, it gets entertaining when you talk like experts on other programs. You might be accurate about your own programs, but most of what you say here on MU is false. A nd yes. I do stay in touch with the coaching staff there, do you guys?"
By the the way MU by 3 at MW. it was a great beach day by the way!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on January 25, 2007, 05:07:06 PM
Live Stats for the York - Goucher Game

http://faculty.ycp.edu/~sguise/mbb/xlive.htm
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 25, 2007, 05:36:14 PM
MuMu,
To be honest, my impression of Marymount this year is mostly based on the display I saw when they played Catholic at home.  It was disgraceful, from the coach all the way down to the lack of control the players had.  It reinforced all the negative things I've seen from Marymount over the years.

I understand what you are trying to say, but we are well past the point where Marymount simply is going to have to prove it before most of us will take them seriously.  Go out there, bring in good kids, have a winning season, don't have "incidents" like they had against Catholic or what happened when they visited DuFour last year when walls literaly fell down after a lockeroom fight, and make everybody see that they are different.  Every year, its the same thing--we always hear about how this year is going to be different, and it usually isn't.

I'm not saying that there haven't been good players--and good people--that went through the Marymount program.  But for whatever reason, they have not consisently played as a unit and utilized the talent they have.

As for St. Mary's, you have a valid point.  That institution has made a mockery of this league--and its supposed standing as an "honors" college (what a joke) with the Habel situation and they didn't seem to learn anything from it.  I have been just as critical of them as I have been Marymount. 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on January 25, 2007, 05:45:34 PM
Gallaudet will recognize the women's volleyball team during halftime of tonight's men game for winning CAC championship and successful road to Sweet 16. They lost to the NCAA D-III national championship, Juniata College in the Sweet 16. They will unveil the 2006 championship banner that will will hang with other banners on the Field House ceiling.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on January 25, 2007, 07:04:19 PM
Here's the interesting fact about the Lady Bison Volleyball team are relate to the men's basketball at Gallaudet..

FYI - The head coach for the Gallaudet volleyball team, Lynn Ray Boren was 4 years letterman basketball player for the Bison during successful early 1990s teams under Coach James DeStefano. He was an teammate with Bison greats; Brian Bippus, Anthony Jones and current Bison assistant coach, John Perry, etc.

Boren just finish his second year at the helm in past fall. Boren has amassed a 53-22 (.707) record in two years with the Bison Volleyball team so far. Over these two years, the Women's Volleyball Program has completed historic milestones by winning the back-to-back Capital Athletic Conference Championships (2005, 2006), including consecutive NCAA Tournament trips, advancing to the Second Round in 2005 and taking it a step further to the Sweet Sixteen in 2006. Lynn Ray won the CAC Coach of Year award in his first year (2005). Prior to coaching career at Gallaudet, he was assistant coach at Model Secondary School for the Deaf (Washington, DC) from 1993-1996 before take over the helm in 1997. He had 217 wins and a .716 winning percentage in his 8 years as the head coach for the Model before accepted the job for the Lady Bison volleyball team in the summer of 2005.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MuMu on January 25, 2007, 07:31:14 PM
Matt,
I was not at the game. When I was reading what happen then i said to my self, "It is time to start posting". I played for coach Mac for two years and when we played CUA twice a year our focus was only on winning the game and that's it. I'm 3-2 against them by the way. I have heard story's of the past of stuff that has happened before coach mac that was really bad.
He taught us you win with class and you lose with class. Matt the time Coach Mac has been there cant you see a little difference?

Mwgoonie is there any broadcasting tonight through the website?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on January 25, 2007, 08:04:46 PM
Not sure about the broadcast. Clint, you got anything going?
If not, I hope bbald eagle or clint can give us regular updates.

For the record, MU has a bad rap, warranted or not. Until they keep their noses out of trouble and have a good year, they'll always have that stigma. That being said, Ed Carrai is my all-time favorite MU player especially because he would get so mad and even at us fans too!

MW by 9 tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on January 25, 2007, 08:11:29 PM
Also, Matt, keep us posted on your game. Should be a real good one. Or any CUA guy or gal.

Can Hood handle Gally?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MuMu on January 25, 2007, 08:21:39 PM
Mwgoonie,
If you can stats please at half, if poss.
Thanks
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 25, 2007, 08:53:20 PM
Catholic's on the road, way down at SMC, so I'm afraid I really don't know what's happening and probably won't for a while.  I didn't even get home till 8 tonight...
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on January 25, 2007, 09:03:17 PM
40-39, Marymount lead at halftime.

No other info as of yet.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cuabigdog on January 25, 2007, 09:03:31 PM
for anyone who may be intrested.. Mike Lonergan [former CUA Head Coach] improved to 14-6  [6-1 } tonite defeating Hartford 76-63 to stay atop the America East Conf. This is the 7th consecutive road win for the Vermont Catamounts.. congrats to Coach Lonergan for another outstanding victory
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cuabigdog on January 25, 2007, 09:04:16 PM
is there any word yet on the CUA game ?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on January 25, 2007, 09:04:39 PM
Congrats to Letourneau for making the 2000th post on this board since the switchover. good timing.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 25, 2007, 09:11:21 PM
I second Matt's points on MU. I have watched this program for 12 years. They have certainly had their good years... but they have had more disappointing ones than good. They haven't had a winning season since 2003... and that was 14-12. They have won one CAC title in recent memory (I couldn't check how many in how long since there is no info on the website - another issue that I know no one posting here can fix) despite what has been a tremendous amount of talent that has come through that program. As Matt said... prove us wrong. Marymount has yet to prove to me that they are program to take seriously.

As for Goucher... yes they had two all CAC players last year... on a bench of 8... MAX. They also have responded from that 3-24 season to a much more successful season this year (obviously). Are they as good as they could be... probably. Could they be better... I don't think so. Despite Jones and Russo... they are a VERY young team. Their only threats are Jones and Russo... with a bunch of sophomores and freshmen. I don't expect more than a .500 season. They aren't there right now... but I still think they are over achieving when you look at 3-24 last season. I am certainly not saying they are the class of this conference and I don't think anyone said they would be or expected them to be.

But when it comes to Marymount... we hear almost every year from someone about how good this team will be. Or we see the team on paper... and as normal basketball people would... we figure Marymount will be good... but they never are. That one title... was thanks to a Goucher upset of CUA in the semi-finals of the CAC tournament... a Goucher team that was .500 that season.

I hope all the best for Marymount. There is a tradition of winning there (thanks to the women's incrediable program). It would also be nice to see the men's team become competitive and make the CAC a deeper conference. But there are problems at Marymount (from my point of view). Besides the new gym (the only place I ever get headaches at no matter the game)... there seems to be no dedication to their teams. I certainly could be wrong, but when there aren't any fields that the school owns for its outdoor teams and the results on the schedules are the same... its tough to believe in the program.

Anyway... 44-28 York leading Goucher at the half.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 25, 2007, 09:21:02 PM
Oh forgot to mention two things completely not related to my past post:

- UMW is no longer broadcasting games... or should I say Clint isn't. There is a rumor it has something to do with Clint losing his manhood or spine... not sure if that is true (;)). And then there is probably the better reason... funding!
- Ozi Menakaya is apparently no longer on the team and I was told he wasn't on the roster. But I just found him on the roster online... so I am not sure what to make of the situation. Could it have been a discipline issue? Could he be back? Losing six of the last seven can change things on a team rapidly!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on January 25, 2007, 10:11:08 PM
Scores?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 25, 2007, 10:24:54 PM
Quote from: mwgoonie on January 25, 2007, 09:04:39 PM
Congrats to Letourneau for making the 2000th post on this board since the switchover. good timing.

What do you mean? Where do you see that?

No scores, still...
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 25, 2007, 10:29:24 PM
Marymount beat Mary Washington 77-73.

What a year!

CATHOLIC beats St. Mary's on a Wheeler Tip in with 1 second left, 75-73.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 25, 2007, 10:36:20 PM
Holy CRAP! Wheeler had 28 points and 17 rebounds for Catholic tonight!  Way to go WHEELS. 

Meanwhile, Dwyer was 6-8 from the free throw line (go figure).  Had had 16-7.  Fumai had 12.  Looks like the Cardinals kept the long stuff to a minimum and pounded the ball inside, shooting 52% in the process.

Tyson Lesense had 24 for SMC.  Irmir was held to 8.

SMC led by 7 at halftime.

At this point, with the way this league is going, every win is big.  Next up, Goucher, fresh off a drubbing at York.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on January 25, 2007, 10:46:15 PM
Final from Washington..

Hood - 77
Gally - 63    FINAL

Half: Gally lead 34-32
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on January 25, 2007, 10:52:37 PM
Final from York...

York 91-Goucher 78

Game Box
http://www.ycp.edu/sports/mens_basketball/2006/YCPMBB18.HTM

All five starters are in double figures for York and Nick Brady adds 15 points, seven assists, and six rebounds off the bench.
Jones paces Goucher with 24 and 10 and Russo chips in 22.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on January 25, 2007, 10:53:08 PM
The Spartans played a really complete game tonight, even though they were outscored by 3 in the second half. Goucher never gave in, and kept on pressing right to the bitter end. I was sitting in the Grumbacher Sky box (which is on the end line) and I got a unique look at how the refs call fouls on the press. York took two time-outs on plays where they were hacked worse than you see in some hockey games... but no foul. Then there were some really ticky tack fouls on other situations in the half court sets.

The Spartans put 6 players in double figures, and got 19 and 7 from big Chad even thought he injured himself pretty badly at the end of the first half. He's a tough kid though and he came back and played in the second, but wasn't as explosive as he normally is. Nick Brady came off the bench with 15 despite having an unusually bad shooting night.

Jones had 24 and 10 for the Gophers and Russo had 22 on 7 of 16 shooting, and a paltry 2-7 from three. This may have been the last time Goucher ever plays in York unless it's in the CAC tourny or as a non-conference game in the future.

Next up for YCP- Alumni game on Saturday vs SSU. It almost sounds stupid to say, but this is a must win for York. We have to gain momentum both in the season and in the confidence games that go along with how Sally has beet us the last few games.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on January 25, 2007, 11:19:20 PM
MARYMOUNT over Mary Washington.  :'(  UMW closed out the game missing 3s and turning the ball over.  Yuck.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 25, 2007, 11:27:03 PM
Welcome to the Yuck club, bbald eagle.  I've been there a few times myself this season.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 25, 2007, 11:27:24 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on January 25, 2007, 10:24:54 PM
Quote from: mwgoonie on January 25, 2007, 09:04:39 PM
Congrats to Letourneau for making the 2000th post on this board since the switchover. good timing.

What do you mean? Where do you see that?

Little number at the top of the post.

Clint should've been using someone like Allinbroadcasting instead of paying premium rates to use Stretch Internet. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: gouchersid on January 26, 2007, 12:07:19 AM
Just to clarify something I've seen both sides of the argument getting wrong: Goucher had only one player (Jonathan Garritt) make the All-CAC team in 2005-06, not two. And there is only one player (Pierre Jones) on this year's roster that has been an All-CAC selection, not two.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on January 26, 2007, 12:55:53 AM
No, Clint was doing five other things at home games, which he always does.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ex_mu14 on January 26, 2007, 06:57:09 AM
OK....MARYMOUNT.....WE'RE MOVING ON UP! LOOK LIKE THE SAINTS ARE STARTING TO PEAK AT THE RIGHT TIME. HOOD STILL HAS TO COME TO THE VERIZON...NO STATS ON LAST NIGHT GAME? WHAT DID MIKE GRAY DO?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MuMu on January 26, 2007, 07:50:24 AM
That's a nice win for Marymount! It's on to the next game. 3 game winning  streak. I said Mu by 6 and look they win by 5.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MuMu on January 26, 2007, 07:59:38 AM
Exmu 14 there you go

15 Mike Gray........... f  4-9    0-0    3-3    1  0  1   3  11  1  3  0  0  38
34 Corey Diamond....... f  5-13   2-7    4-4    1  2  3   2  16  1  0  0  0  31
10 Bryant Majors....... g  3-6    2-3    4-5    0  3  3   2  12  2  2  0  0  38
11 Fred Stanback....... g  6-11   1-3    7-8    3  9 12   5  20  1  2  0  0  34
21 Brandon Parker...... g  7-11   0-1    0-1    4  3  7   2  14  3  5  0  1  36
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on January 26, 2007, 08:16:09 AM
Going back to a previous statement, any team from first to 5 or 6 can win, especially late in the year, especially this year. Hood is really rolling smoothly but they still have to face CUA, MW etc still. So we'll see how it shakes up. The more things change, the more they stay the same.

Justin
Baker was 2-3 from the floor and got his points at the FT 7-8.
Lee at 15 points , 9 rebs.
Fitzgerald lead them with 17 on 5-10 from beyond the arc.
Matt Hale has cooled off as of late.

YUCK indeed!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MuMu on January 26, 2007, 08:20:24 AM
Mwgooine,
How was crowd? Playoff atmosphere?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ex_mu14 on January 26, 2007, 08:38:16 AM
Quote from: Dave "d-mac" McHugh on January 25, 2007, 09:11:21 PM

But when it comes to Marymount... we hear almost every year from someone about how good this team will be. Or we see the team on paper... and as normal basketball people would... we figure Marymount will be good... but they never are. That one title... was thanks to a Goucher upset of CUA in the semi-finals of the CAC tournament... a Goucher team that was .500 that season.

I hope all the best for Marymount. There is a tradition of winning there (thanks to the women's incrediable program). It would also be nice to see the men's team become competitive and make the CAC a deeper conference.

The year we won the championship 99-00, we didn't have any control over who we played! So Marymount has never been competitive in the CAC?? What are you smoking?

Quote Dmac

And after 10-plus years of that work... I tend to think that many see my posts as not from someone who is only a Goucher fan... but one who may know just a little bit of what I am talking about.

After your last post, i dont think you know a little bit if you say Marymount has been competitive in the CAC.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MuMu on January 26, 2007, 09:11:14 AM
exmu14,

What is competitive in the CAC? So your telling me when you play against MU all the CAC says that is an easy win. I dont think so. EXMU 14 that seems like a great name for you
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 26, 2007, 09:39:10 AM
I don't think he said they've NEVER been competitive, he was saying that they aren't consistently competitive, and they aren't.

I'll tell you one thing I know for SURE--when opposing teams see Marymount on the schedule, they do NOT think of it as an easy win.  They're wondering which Marymount team will show up--the one that is loaded with talent and is capable of beating anybody in the league, or the one that comes unglued and falls apart down the stretch.  More often than not, its the latter. 

But hey, with Catholic leaving, its one less obstacle for MU, so maybe they will take advantage.  Personally, to answer a previous question, I have not seen as much improvement in that program as I thought I would when they had a coaching change.  I think its been a disappointment so far.  We'll see how they finish this year.  I expect them a tough game from them at Catholic.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ex_mu14 on January 26, 2007, 09:54:11 AM
QUOTE FROM DMAC,

It would also be nice to see the men's team become competitive and make the CAC a deeper conference.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 26, 2007, 10:23:40 AM
Which is not the same thing as saying they NEVER have been competitive.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ex_mu14 on January 26, 2007, 10:33:27 AM
They're competitive now! Beating UMW at there place is huge, right?

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on January 26, 2007, 10:39:38 AM
Quote from: bbald eagle on January 25, 2007, 11:19:20 PM
MARYMOUNT over Mary Washington.  :'(  UMW closed out the game missing 3s and turning the ball over.  Yuck.

Quote from: mwgoonie on January 26, 2007, 08:16:09 AM

Justin
Baker was 2-3 from the floor and got his points at the FT 7-8.
Lee at 15 points , 9 rebs.
Fitzgerald lead them with 17 on 5-10 from beyond the arc.
Matt Hale has cooled off as of late.

YUCK indeed!

Some of those numbers are nice.  When I said Yuck, I'm talking about the end of the game, crunch time.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 26, 2007, 11:14:40 AM
Quote from: ex_mu14 on January 26, 2007, 10:33:27 AM
They're competitive now! Beating UMW at there place is huge, right?



Yes, but I'm not sure that's really what he is getting at.  I don't want to speak for him, but since I feel the same way, what I'm talking about is long term.  Marymount has certainly had wins like that in the past, but have they ended up in the Championship game, or the tournament? Most of the time, no.  The fact that they can occassionally put it together for that type of win proves my point--they have the talent to win a lot of games, they just don't.  If they take their talent, and put together a string of 15-20 win seasons, then, yes, they're consistently competitive.   A few wins isn't going to prove the point. 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on January 26, 2007, 11:54:06 AM
yeah, i was agreeing with the YUCK statement. The Eagles have the bets turnover ratio in the league and have strived on their 3 pt abilities. When Hale is cold and Baker is reduced (although his damage was from the FT), its not in MW's favor.

Big game Sat as MW travles to HOOD. Let's see if they can't stop Hood's long winning streak!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 26, 2007, 12:20:52 PM
Well the good news for Catholic with that game is at least one of the teams in front of them is going to lose. 

CUA will be looking for revenge against Goucher Saturday night.  I was thinking I wouldn't be able to go, because our baby is due on Monday, but its not here yet and my wife may want to take a trip to get out of the house, so we'll see.  We do like the annual trek up there. 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on January 26, 2007, 12:38:16 PM
mwgoonie-
sorry. I misread your yuck. Hood will be an interesting game Saturday. If Hood wins, then everybody else is probably playing for the second seed.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MuMu on January 26, 2007, 06:11:40 PM
Matt,
So tell me what in your mind is competitive? 20 win season is competitive so the only team who is competitive in the CAC is, CUA but the CAC is one of the toughest conf out there right..
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on January 26, 2007, 07:47:50 PM
Live stats for Saturday's YCP - SAL game in York

http://faculty.ycp.edu/~sguise/mbb/xlive.htm

It should be a good game with all the Alumni coming back to play in the annual game proceeding the Spartans and Gulls clash at 2:00.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 26, 2007, 10:28:36 PM
Quote from: MuMu on January 26, 2007, 06:11:40 PM
Matt,
So tell me what in your mind is competitive? 20 win season is competitive so the only team who is competitive in the CAC is, CUA but the CAC is one of the toughest conf out there right..

How about this--I tell you what is NOT competitive:

10-15
10-16
10-16

That's not competitive.  Its static.  And given the talent at that school, its completely uneccessary.


Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MuMu on January 27, 2007, 08:00:31 AM
10-15
10-16
10-16

Matt,
yor proable still sleaping!CAC play is what matter's in one of those season we beat MW at MW in the playoffs, and the almost beat CUA at CUA if the big guys make some of their free throws it's a diffrent story.


Mu has to win today its a must! Mu by 4!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: HopeConvert on January 27, 2007, 01:22:38 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on January 26, 2007, 09:39:10 AM
I don't think he said they've NEVER been competitive, he was saying that they aren't consistently competitive, and they aren't.

I'll tell you one thing I know for SURE--when opposing teams see Marymount on the schedule, they do NOT think of it as an easy win.  They're wondering which Marymount team will show up--the one that is loaded with talent and is capable of beating anybody in the league, or the one that comes unglued and falls apart down the stretch.  More often than not, its the latter. 

But hey, with Catholic leaving, its one less obstacle for MU, so maybe they will take advantage.  Personally, to answer a previous question, I have not seen as much improvement in that program as I thought I would when they had a coaching change.  I think its been a disappointment so far.  We'll see how they finish this year.  I expect them a tough game from them at Catholic.

Is Catholic leaving the CAC? I haven't read anything about that.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 27, 2007, 02:07:37 PM
Quote from: HopeConvert on January 27, 2007, 01:22:38 PM
Is Catholic leaving the CAC? I haven't read anything about that.
Ah... YES!!! Where have you been? Goucher and Catholic are leaving the CAC for the new Landmark Conference... thus the reason Hood is in the CAC this year (women will join next season) and Wesley and Villa Julie enter the CAC next season. By the way... I am hearing word the CAC is not down shifting things around... could be more changes in the near future.

As for the constant Marymount talk... MU fans need to stop looking through the rose-colored glasses. 10-15, 10-16, 10-16 is not something to be proud of. Just as Goucher fans will tell you (and I am), 3-21 is not something we enjoy at all. The difference... Goucher has doubled that win total this season with more wins expected... that shows improvement. Marymount never shows improvement. One game in the CAC Tournament does not make up for the past five seasons.

UMW doesn't win 20 games a season every year... but they are one of the most competitive teams in the CAC.
York has won 20 games or more at least twice in the last five seasons... but this year they are struggling (as everyone thought they would). However, they are certainly competitive because they find away to make the talent they have work with the team... and get those with less talent to contribute.
CUA... do I need to make an arguement for their competitiveness?

Marymount can't seem to win more than 10 games a season... they can't get their talent (and we know they have talent every season) to play as a unit... the only thing teams are worried about at the phone booth is that they don't leave with a headache... and they can't seem to play well during the SEASON to set themselves up well for the conference tourney. Sure... the tournament is where you can make a nice run and maybe win a title... but tell me the last time a seed lower than #4 has won a conference title? I can't think of one off the top of my head... because you have to travel all three games! Marymount needs to play well during a season so they can be in a position to win a conference title.

Yes... CUA leaving the conference may give Marymount one or two less losses each season!

Interestingly, Marymount is fifth overall in the conference in overall winning percentage since the 2002-2003 season (.451) and tied for fourth for conference record (.446 - with Goucher). Overall is Goucher at .467... and that includes a 3-21 season (2-12 conference).
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on January 27, 2007, 03:30:46 PM
Just a heads up to the rest of the league...Salisbury has Manakya and Gerald back.

What a suprise. We all knew they would be back sometime.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 27, 2007, 03:31:23 PM
So... I am watching the stats on the SU/YCP game... and noticed Ozi Menakaya is playing (though didn't start) and has five points and six rebounds.

So I ask anyone... especially the SU posters we have had in the past... what is up with Ozi. On the team, off the team, starting, not starting! Anyone know?!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cac on January 27, 2007, 03:52:20 PM
d-mac: Menakaya decided to leave the team after the St. Marys game.  I believe he asked to come back prior to Catholic but Coach Holmes decided not to allow him. Prior to the Hood game he apologized to the team and asked to return. He was on the bench for Hood but did not play. Frank Gerald needed to work on school during winter term which just ended. He did not practice during this time so hard to say what type of shape he will be in.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 27, 2007, 03:58:19 PM
cac - thank you very much for the udpate. I hope whatever the reasons Ozi left are cleared up... and SU can recover.

However, tough loss at York today... 84-74... five straight losses and seven of the last eight.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cac on January 27, 2007, 04:17:21 PM
I guess SU may be one of those teams that no one will want to play in first round since they probably won't recieve a home game. Hopefully they will get everthing straight prior to CAC playoffs. They are talented enough to make a run.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on January 27, 2007, 04:36:34 PM
Hood 91, UMW 90 (ot)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 27, 2007, 04:40:45 PM
Wonder if there are any more Hood doubters.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MuMu on January 27, 2007, 07:58:44 PM

The Marymount men's basketball team won its fourth straight game on the strength of Mike Gray's game-high 35 points and 11 boards, with an 89-80 CAC win over St. Mary's College in the Verizon Sports Arena.

Hood might be ok. haha, I'm always wrong. Mu 4 in a row.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on January 27, 2007, 07:59:09 PM
Jess Gutekunst dominated the middle and the game for Hood. He blocked shots, altered them, and scored almost at will. Fittingly he hit two free throws to win it in OT.  UMW missed its two last free throws that would have given it a three point lead. It was also hurt by unforced turnovers in OT.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MuMu on January 27, 2007, 08:24:17 PM
Baldeagle,
Who missed the free throws for you guys?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on January 27, 2007, 08:48:35 PM
A.J. Fitzgerald, in the last 20 seconds or so.   :'(  UMW was up by one at the time.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 27, 2007, 09:06:04 PM
Update from the SRC... CUA 61 Goucher 43 with 9:30 remaining in the 2nd half.

Catholic is playing very well... Goucher is actually trying to see what they have for underclassman... so a lot of players are seeing time... who are usually on the bench.

Refs... well this is not my favorite crew by a long shot... espcially the lead ref... who is horrible. But these guys are not the reason Catho0lic is winning or Goucher is losing... just a disappointment.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: hoodfan on January 27, 2007, 09:09:37 PM
Awesome game in Frederick today as Hood pulled out a 91-90 OT victory.
Both teams played their hearts out.  Mary Washington made 19 3's and had about a 12 point lead in the second half. Hood has played from behind before and battled back to force the overtime. Gutekunst had 31 points and 17 boards, and all 5 of Hoods starters reached double figures. Darnell Edmonds was huge for Hood today as he hit a 3 with little time left in regulation to send the game to OT, and hit some big FT's down the stretch.
MW was up 91-89 with about 24 seconds left, and missed 2 FT's to give Hood the ball. Hood got the ball to Gutekunst inside and MW had to foul him or he had a layup, he made both FT's with 2.7 seconds left. After MW inbounded the ball went out of bounds and left 2/10ths of a second on the clock. which is only enough time for a tip in. Jesse knoced the ball away,as time expired.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: hoodfan on January 27, 2007, 09:29:08 PM
The Hood -MW was very well officiated today. I have seen a lot of Hood games both at home and on the road, and I thought this crew did a great job. Very tough game to work, but they kept control, and were pretty consistent all night long.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on January 27, 2007, 10:24:20 PM
A really strong performance in York from Chad McGowan. The Spartans were tied with the Gulls at 64 with around four minutes left. York goes on a 14-2 run and McGowan scores 11 of his game-high 30 points during the run. He did it with mid-range jumpers, a three, and a few post moves. He has been playing very well all year but he has continued, throughout the year, to elevate his game when the Spartans need him most. Also, some of the young guys are starting to make great contributions. Nick Brady and Jeremy Keefer teamed up on a few plays today and Nate Lankford is playing great for York right now. This York team is starting to really jell at the right time of the year.

And by the way D-Mac, I am not sure I agree with your assesment that we are "struggling". We aren't as good as the last two years but we have 12 wins and have more than competitive all year. We aren't going to win 20 but could be a big pain in the rear come CAC tournament time.

Salisbury will be extremely dangerous the rest of the season with Menakaya and Gerald back in the fold. Devin Jones was very impressive today as he was knocking down the open three all day. He had 16 in the first half and the Spartan defense did a better job of finding him in the second half. He got just one triple in the second half (off a loose ball). Menakaya is a man on the glass. He is physical and gets great position. Brad Zerfing did a good job on Ray Williams as Williams had eight in the game.

It was a great college basketball game with a really good crowd. It was the best second semester crowd of the year the Grumbacher Center. York takes to the road for three big games, @ Gally Wednesday, @ UMW Saturday and @ SMC next Tuesday. Should be an interesting 10 day stretch for the green and white.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ex_mu14 on January 27, 2007, 10:40:25 PM
Gray is making a strong case for all cac.....I would be surprise if he doesnt get player of week. Who's next for MU?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MuMu on January 27, 2007, 10:49:27 PM
Exmu14,
CUA babyy. I want a close game or a W! I think if they keep it close they might have a chance in the 2nd half. CUA MU macth ups you must throw the records away. Anything can happen.

I think Mike Grey will be CAC player of the week, but in his mind he can't gt to much confidence. He is the oil in the engine.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ex_mu14 on January 27, 2007, 10:56:44 PM
Yeah, I cant wait to read the post after that game. MU played CUA close the first game.  I'll take MU especially the way they're playing as of late.

Side note,

Coach Wood was at my high school game last night scouting three of my players. CUA and UMW are looking at them but MU is not. I dont understand that.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MuMu on January 28, 2007, 12:13:26 AM
EXMU14,
They dont really need post next season, this Noah kid is a stud plus with mike. Whats these kids names. you going to the game?

CAU fans whats your thoughts on your head coach?I have nott heard much, coach Wood seems to be the CAC fav.haha
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 28, 2007, 12:36:01 AM
Really nice "team" win for Catholic tonight, as they pounded Goucher 80-49.  The Cardinals were cranking on all cylinders, and it was very nice to see the freshman on the bench really contribute.  There was no real let-up during sub periods.

Freshman Matt Fazzini ("who?" says everybody else) had 16 for Catholic tonight.  Congratulations to Pat Dwyer, who scored his 1,000 point.  He had a nice night with 15 points and 13 rebounds.  Wheeler also had a double double with 14-10.  In addition to Fazzini, Sparrow and Hager played good minutes.

Catholic played a great game defensively.  They've gotten burned by Russo enough to just absolutely smother him tonight, and he was 1-9 (0-6 from 3).  He had no space all night, just nothing to work with.  Jones had some nice moves and some good points early, but he's still not controlled enough to really have a huge night against a team like Catholic that plays interior defense.  Defensively, Goucher had a lot of breakdowns--their guards are active, but their post players can't guard one on one and have to double, which leads to easy baskets.

Catholic show 56%, and made 75% of its free throws.

MuMu, well, Coach Wood will grab the headlines around here---fine with Coach Howes, I'm sure.  Steve has done a good job.  I think its remarkable that CUA had very little let down after Mike Lonergan moved on, despite losing an entire recruiting class (there are ZERO juniors on this team).  Its quite a feat to keep them right at the 20 win level.  I know the Catholic coaching staff works hard in the recruiting department, and they have a very deep freshman class that will pay dividends down the road.  Its actually a little tough to see exactly what they have right now because there's not enough minutes for everybody.  That will change next year.

Obviously, Coach Dickman is also off to a great start in the league and has a very good reputation.  As for the others--personal opinions here, I don't mean to offend, but Coach Trevino seems a little burnt out to me, Coach Gamber is a class act all the way and a good coach, and that's really as much as I probably should say...
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MuMu on January 28, 2007, 08:04:34 AM
Jones is smooth, but the way Garret controlled the middle, is he playing overseas? wow. I hated playing at Goucher, it's a boring place to play.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: eaglemaniac on January 28, 2007, 10:48:00 AM
Quote from: Dave "d-mac" McHugh on January 27, 2007, 02:07:37 PM
Quote from: HopeConvert on January 27, 2007, 01:22:38 PM
By the way... I am hearing word the CAC is not down shifting things around... could be more changes in the near future.

Any idea what those changes would involve?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on January 28, 2007, 10:53:51 AM
Mike Lee's 19 points and 10 rebounds and Jon Pierce's 19 points. Kiernan Whitworth had 17 points for the Eagles, while Matt Hale added 14 points, and Justin Baker just missed out on a triple-double, with 11 points, 14 rebounds, and eight assists.

As we head into the last week of Jan, the CAC seems to be locked down by Hood.

School W L PCT GB
HOOD 9 1 .900 ---
UMW 6 4 .600 3.0
YCP 6 4 .600 3.0
CUA 6 4 .600 3.0
MMU 5 5 .500 4.0
SAL 4 5 .444 4.5
SMC 4 6 .400 5.0
GOU 3 7 .300 6.0
GAL 1 8 .111 7.5

But there is still about a month left in the regular season, we'll see how well they hold it together. MW split the season with Hood, barely losing in OT. When the better teams are firing on all cylinders, anyone can win. I Believe that the players are getting into a nice roll and we'll see some really good performances.

When are all-CAC teams going to be picked? You have to put the two Hood boys in the first team, McGowan, Gray's making a huge case for it, gotta look at Dwyer, Justin Baker, Lesesne?, Williams?, and then there are a number of other guys battling for second team. Wheeler, Lee, etc...
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MuMu on January 28, 2007, 04:21:34 PM
Fred Stanback   15.7 7.4 
Mike Gray   16.6  6.3

Dmac,
If MU makes a big run and grab 2nd or 3rd place can both of these guys find a spot on the all CAC team?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 29, 2007, 12:53:32 AM
Goonie--you forgot Catholic's leading scorer, Scott Fumai...he's cooled down some lately, but he's carried the team completely on multiple occassions.  He's the guy you want with the ball if the clock is running down and you need to score.  He's still averaging over 18 ppg.

Frankly, Catholic's best player LATELY has been Stephen Wheeler.  Going into the Goucher game, he was shooting 63% and it only went up.  In fairness to Dwyer, some of Wheeler's success is a direct result of Dwyer drawing tight coverage--with both of them in the paint, one of them tends to get free, and teams have been keying in on Dwyer because throughout his career he's been a good scorer.  But Wheels has been very opportunistic, and that 28-17 performance against Salisbury was staggering--especially because most of it was in the second half. 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: muchacho on January 29, 2007, 10:08:27 AM
Matt...Scott Fumai will have to pick his scoring back up to keep himself in the race for POY. Granted Catholic didn't need him as much as usual with their blowout of Goucher over the weekend, but 6 points isn't getting him noticed every game. If his slow stretch occurred at the beginning of the year, it might be forgotten. However, he has had a string of mediocre games right in the middle of the CAC schedule, and isn't it the CAC coaches who choose the POY award? When you put the love for CUA aside, I don't think Fumai is there right now. Maybe some big games down the stretch will put him on that level.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 29, 2007, 11:10:04 AM
Muchacho--

Goonie's post was about the All CAC Team.  Despite a few "off games" lately, I presume you'd agree that Scott should certainly be in the running for first team All CAC, right?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 29, 2007, 11:28:02 AM
Here's the problem I see with the All-CAC this year... there are a lot of guys who deserve to be there.

Junghans, Gutekunst, Fumai, Dwyer, Wheeler, McGowan, Zerfing, Lesense, Smelkinson, Irmer, Williams, Menakaya (maybe), P. Jones, Russo, Stanback, and Gray to mention three teams worth and not covering every team in the conference.

Some deserving players are going to be left out (as some do every year). Maybe the CAC should consider making it three teams all-conference selections... since there are now nine teams and soon ten to consider players from.

As far as Fumai for all conference... I realize that I only saw the game against Goucher recently, but he isn't my first choice for the MOP/MVP/whatever it is called award. He is certainly good and an all-conference player... but McGowan, Jughans, and Gutekunst are my front runners right now.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on January 29, 2007, 11:37:17 AM
Matt, true, I forgot him. I was really just throwing out names. As far as POY and All-CAC teams, I bleieve with the sheer number of players putting in great persformances, stretches, etc., voters would HAVE  to vote for both honors based on consistency. Sure, Mike Gray has stepped up lately, but will it keep up? Wheeler has had a couple good games, but hasn't shown up in some, same for any number of players in any league. That being said, Justin Baker is a very consistent guy, grabbing rebounds, scoring, assists, and hitting from a FT. A reliable guy who leads his team.
And certainly there are guys on other teams being very consistent - the 2 Hood boys, McGowan, etc. That's the criteria, this year, that I'd use in voting.

I think all players should make their case on the hardwood, late in the regular season, into the later rounds of the toruney. When is voting again?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MuMu on January 29, 2007, 11:56:57 AM
Justin Baker or Mike Lee, which one would you choose to put on 1st or 2nd team. Hood should have two on the 1st team, and who ever finish second place should have one on 1st team and one on second.

Player of the year take Chad off of York and what do they have?Not this good of a season, thats for sure!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on January 29, 2007, 12:20:40 PM
Baker 1st, definitely. Lee had a slump some games, but has come out of it this week. 2nd team, at best, no room for him on 1st, no sure if his play merits 1st. Lee has become more of a passer bc teams key on him so much. i believe he has the best ass/turn over ratio in the CAC.

However, I rather hoist a banner in Goolrick than have a piece of paper saying so and so had a good individual year. maybe I'm old fashioned!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on January 29, 2007, 01:32:21 PM
In regards to player of the year, I really like what Lee is doing.  He is the catalyst for his team.  The two Hood kids I hear are great but i have not seen them.  And then you have McGowen.  Single handedly took over against Salisbury.  Im not saying he is player of the year but if you take Chad off that team they would maybe have 2 conference wins at most...That being said you could probably say that about any of the top players. 

As good as Hood has been.  They will not win the CAC's.  They will win regular season at a 12-14 win clip.  They have not been overly impressive in there wins against the next couple of schools.  A 2 point win against York and a 1 point win against Mary Wash in overtime is not something that merits there dominance.  But we will see thats just my opinion.  You can write that down!

Looking forward to the stretch run....
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 29, 2007, 01:57:47 PM
By the way... I forgot to mention Baker and Lee in my all-conference selections... and Baker in my MVP/MOP/whatever arguement. Didn't want UMW fans thinking I was slighting them.

If Hood wins the regular season at a 12-14 win clip... and don't win the conference title in the tournament... they may be a looking at a Pool C bid. Of course, it depends on who their losses are to in the end.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on January 29, 2007, 02:20:40 PM
Quote from: mwgoonie on January 29, 2007, 12:20:40 PMLee has become more of a passer bc teams key on him so much.

Keying on Lee may say a lot about what opposing coaches think of him, and they are the all-CAC voters
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on January 29, 2007, 02:33:59 PM
Quote from: Dave "d-mac" McHugh on January 29, 2007, 11:28:02 AM

Some deserving players are going to be left out (as some do every year). Maybe the CAC should consider making it three teams all-conference selections... since there are now nine teams and soon ten to consider players from.



Alright D-mac, what have you heard? Any word on who else maybe in line to join the CAC going forward?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on January 29, 2007, 02:34:39 PM
I hope they reward him for such a great CAC career. Lee has really been a major force in keeping MW on the radar since their NCAA tourney run. Actually, he is arguably the MOST DANGEROUS player in the CAC. He has the ability to simply turn it on without upsetting the system Woods has put in place. He can hurt you so many ways, just by having him on the court.
So we'll see. Another big week in the CAC
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 29, 2007, 02:41:20 PM
Quote from: kitchenrat on January 29, 2007, 02:33:59 PM
Quote from: Dave "d-mac" McHugh on January 29, 2007, 11:28:02 AM

Some deserving players are going to be left out (as some do every year). Maybe the CAC should consider making it three teams all-conference selections... since there are now nine teams and soon ten to consider players from.



Alright D-mac, what have you heard? Any word on who else maybe in line to join the CAC going forward?
Honestly... mathematical mistake. My subtraction of two and addition of two added a third by accident. I keep adding Hood in my math... since they will be adding their women's programs next season... despite the fact Hood has already joined in the men... OBVIOUSLY! Sorry for the confusion.

The only thing I have heard with the CAC is that there are still some decisions being made... and that there may be some future moves. A nine-team conference is not the perfect number. You really would rather have an even number... meaning 8 or 10!

Yes, bold was on purpose!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on January 29, 2007, 03:01:05 PM
Got ya D-mac. 8 or 10 would make more sense.

Here is my problem with POY, ROY and all CAC:

NO CONSISTENCY!

MuMu says that Hood should have two on the first team if they finish first, and that is solid reasoning, but where was it last year when York flat out dominated they league and had one on the first team and one on the second. At worst McGowan and Bushey should have both been on the first team.

Then there's this idea of class year. I'm not trying to take away from either the season Gallaudet had or the career that Haney had, but if he was the POY just because it was his senior year, will the same hold true if YCP goes 14-12 (7-7) in McGowan's senior year? I know 14-12 is like 22-4 at Gally, but I don't think he was the POY last year, I think there were two or three guys (McGowan included) who were above him.

This year you only have to look at the numbers and see who is playing the best ball. Any time you average a double double you are pretty damn good, and so I think you have to look long and hard at Gutekunst. After him, it's hard to ignore what Russo does on a night in, night out basis, espically now that he doesn't have Jonathan Garritt around anymore. When you look at Ray Williams' scoring totals it's hard not to think about him as a solid candidate. (and when you consider that Brad Zerfing pretty much took him out of the game on Saturday, and held him in check down there,  I think he should get some talk for the 2nd team all CAC) 

These things are never perfect, and If I thought those who vote spent as much time thinking and talking about it as we do, I would be ok with it.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MuMu on January 29, 2007, 04:41:39 PM
As a fan it would be nice to have his fav player on the all cac team. I hope they would all rather have a banner hanging so they can boost about that on the post board. You better hope Mu does not win, because I will use that in every argument and even in the off season

kitchenrat it has to be Gutekunst or  McGowan. Will they go for how well the team is doing or how bad would the team do without there big gun!

Lee is like Kobe this year making his teamates better by passing. Who know this year.

Haney was a stud every game and gave everything he had no matter what the score was.

Mu by 4 over CUA!!!!you know it Matt
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on January 29, 2007, 04:50:52 PM
YEah, no 81 point games here, just a whole lot of passing. but no one plays Kobe too tight or too loose. Too many weapons.
Please let MU beat CUA. Wheeler vs Gray downlow? Diamond vs ???
Ha, bring back Ed Carrai!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 29, 2007, 04:58:48 PM
If Catholic plays like they just did, they won't lose to Marymount at home.

We'll see what happens though.  I know its going to be a tough game, the coaching staff knows, and the players know.

The Cardinals have a lot of weapons, but they still need their big guns--Dwyer and Fumai--to have decent games.

Even before the Marymount meltdown, the Cardinals were starting to pull away and I'm confident they would have won. 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MuMu on January 29, 2007, 05:39:28 PM
Marymount meltdown good one Matt! If the 6'2 monster in Grey put's up 16-20 in the game we might have a shot. Marymount really does not have a true 1, SO IN A GAME like this tempo is key. I think this has to be the game of the week. That CUA romping to Goucher worries me a bit. Corey D wil be the floor leader.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on January 29, 2007, 10:12:06 PM
Tonight's result from Field House..

Christendom - 37
@ Gallaudet  - 53
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CACsportsnut on January 29, 2007, 11:11:51 PM
I think a big part of who makes first team all CAC, second team, POY, ROY and so on and so forth depends on who picks it?

So who does pick it?

I mean if it is just a plain old panel who picks it, you will see the guys withh the highest averages and most eye-popping numbers, possibily the two All CAC teams will have 10 of the top 11-12 scorers in the conference if it is just a panel. You could see Williams get it, and nothing against him, but I just do not see him in the same category as your McGowans...Junghans....Bakers...etc..

If it is picked by a panel of the coaches in the CAC, you will see people who really deserve it. A player like Brad Zerfing from York who is constantly holding told scorers to way below their average, or a guy like Stephen Wheeler who dominates the paint for Catholic, or Ozi Menakeya from Salisbury who grabs every rebound possible. You will find players who make big-time effects on the game and for their teams will make the CAC teams.

I'm not sure how it is, and either or is correct, however it is picked, i can't really complain about the past few years really.......just I am going to give an example of my picks if I went with both ways, and you can see the difference


*My picks if based on a regular panel (no coaches)*

First Team All-CAC

Ray Williams - 22 ppg 3 apg
Chad McGowan - 22 ppg 8.5 rpg
Ryan Junghans - 20.5 ppg 91 FT%
Jesse Gutekunst - 18 ppg 10 ppg 2.5 bpg
James Russo - 19 ppg 2 spg

Second Team All-CAC

Scott Fumai - 17 ppg 6 rpg
Tyson Lesesne - 17 ppg 2.5 apg 2 spg
Mike Gray - 16.5 ppg 6 rpg
Sekoe White - 17 ppg 6 rpg
Pierre Jones - 16.5 ppg 7.5 rpg


POY - Williams, Gutekunst, McGowan ----- have to go with Gutekunst based on schere stats
ROY - Jonathan Valencia - 13 ppg 2 apg
COY - Tom Dickman

*My picks if based on a coaches panel*

First Team All-CAC

Chad McGowan - Where would York be without him...single handedly beat Salisbury
Ryan Junghans - Clutch FT shooting, best team ball handler, good passer, does it all for his team
Jesse Gutekunst - Dominates the middle by scoring, rebounding, blocked shots.....passes well also
Scott Fumai - Best big shot maker in the conference, knows how to win
Justin Baker - Mr. Versatile, does it all, any team gets 5 or 6 extra wins win him on their team

Second Team All-CAC

Patrick Dwyer - Brusier underneath, good leader, intimidating...just make some FT's huh?
Stephen Wheeler -  Underrated, is a big reason for some of Catholics big wins this year
Mike Gray - Can score, rebound, and isn't selfish in doing it
James Russo - What he does night in and night out is incredible, keeps a low-talented Goucher team in games
Ray Williams - Then there is Williams. Only reason he isn't a First Team pick....team stands and watches as he dances with the ball, forces some shots

POY - Baker, Gutekunst, McGowan--- take your pick..mine has to be Baker
ROY - Nick Brady - Can score, rebound and pass....just get the defense up
COY - Tom Dickman

See if you guy by nothing but stats, Justin Baker is not even brought into POY conversation, and he is a top 3 choice for that. You will notice my choices have changed in some aspects as before....but i guess that goes with the season......you never know what to expect...
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 29, 2007, 11:26:05 PM
I think coaches would be the "regular panel" in most conferences. Don't know too many conferences where it's not a vote of the coaches.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on January 30, 2007, 02:46:07 AM
                                      1st    2nd   TOTAL
Christendom College    -   19     18   =  37
@ Gallaudet Bison          -   27     26   =  53

HALF: GU lead 27-19

The Bison came to the game with great defense along with poor shooting performances but it didn't prevailed them from winning. Despite of poor shooting percentage but the Bison keeping on playing hard until end of the game. It was nice to see the bench players get more playing times in this game. The scoring was balance and spread to all member of the team. All of the players scored at least one point for the Bison tonight. Gallaudet as a team shot 19-68 (27.9%) FG, 4-24 (16.7%) 3FG, and 11-19 from FT line for 57.9%. They also won the rebound battle by 19 rebounds margin due to 30 offensive rebounds compared to 20 defensive for total of 50 rebounds. Christendom got 7 offensive, 21 defensive for total of 31..  The impressive defense stats for the stingy Bison is that they ONLY allowed 2 assists, and forced 27 turnovers (14 steals) while Christendom shot for 15-40 FG (37.5%).

Gallaudet
White: 16 points (6-23 FG) and 17 rebounds (13 offensive)
Davis: 11 points and 10 rebounds (7 offensive)
Mowl: 5 points, 5 rebounds, 2 assists, and 2 steals
Farias: 6 points (2 3FG)
Khanoyan: 3 points in career-high 4 minutes

Christendom
Monroe: 14 points (5-13 FG) and 5 rebounds
Miner: 7 points (3-12 FG) and 5 rebounds
Quest: 5 rebounds , 4 steals and 2 blocks
Lancaster: 5 points and 2 steals


Gallaudet's Next game: The Bison (4-14, 1-8) will host home game on this Wednesday, January 31st at 8pm against Coach Jeff Gamber and his York College of Pennsylvania (12-7, 6-4) squad. The Bison will seek for sweet revenge from the 96-79 loss at the Grumbacher Center on December 6th, Which it result into Jeff Gamber's 400th career victory.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on January 30, 2007, 08:13:31 AM
Uh, i believe All-CAC goes to 2 Forwards, a C, and 2 Guards. Or can it be all guards/small forwards?

Hopefully I "trust" the coaches to make wise decisions, i think there is a really nice field of players having a good year so the 2nd team all-CAC might end up being an even match to the first team. Also, i think it's been mentioned before but their should be an "all-star" type game at the end of the year for all the best players. Just a dream really.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on January 30, 2007, 09:58:28 AM
anybody interested in how POY, all-CAC, etc. is selected should read the CAC handbook which sets it out. use this link

http://www.cacsports.com/handbook.htm

then click on its link to Awards. there are a number of pages, including the form of the ballot.

In a nutshell, the coaches vote, but not for a player on a coach's own team. it's not by position.  top 5 vote getters are first team. second five are the second team. POY vote is separate- top vote getter is POY.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on January 30, 2007, 11:12:26 AM
Thanks for the info,

it seems ridiculous that its the top 5 vote getters, not by position, but i guess if there are no good centers in a particular year, no sense in awarding one.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MuMu on January 30, 2007, 03:27:32 PM
It's a MU happy hour tonight from 4-8 at the green house in St. thomas tonight if any one wants to come. We will chat how the saints will beat CUA tomm
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on January 31, 2007, 09:26:19 AM
Tonight for the Spartans it's the always tough visit to Gallaudet.  I'm interested to see how they fare on the road, considering the momentum they've been building up at home over the last few games.

I'm going to be in DC, down at Cap City Brewing Co, across from Union Station for a work thing, but it doesn't end until 9, so I guess there's no chance of me catching any of the game.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on January 31, 2007, 12:55:21 PM
Down the home strecth...
let's look at tonight's games...

Goucher at Salisbury....I think Salisbury should win this one, after 5 straight confrence losses and the return of one of there better players they should be good to go, a very scary first round opponent...
York at Gallaudet...York in a walk
Hood at St. Mary's....Hood should keep it going and run there record to 10-1 confrence.  A loss could help the 6-4's a win at Hood will get home court while being 3 up with 5 to play
Marymount at Catholic...Which Catholic team will show up?  The one that crushed York or the one that played against Gally...I guess we will see...

A good night of basketball ahead.  Hopefully York and Catholic both win to keep the pressure on Hood...
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on January 31, 2007, 01:17:27 PM
I have this strange feeling that there's going to be a big time upset in the CAC tonight.

I think Goucher has an outside shot to win on the Shore...

I wouldn't call MMU over CUA a huge upset but to win at CUA would be big.

Gally over YCP would be huge even thought it's in DC because YCP has won the last 18 straight and 85% of the all time match up.

Hood is the one team I think most everyone is sure will win tonight. They are starting to get Top 25 votes and look to be pulling away from the pack.
But, that trip to St. Mary's City can be a long one, and Tyson Lesesne is due for a big game against a big foe.

Mark it down...

The Kitchenrat says take the Seahawks (+5) over the Blazers. 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MuMu on January 31, 2007, 02:31:17 PM
kitchenrat,
I think Goucher has a shot to.
I have St. Mary's by 4 over Hood.

I want MU by 4, and if they keep it close and there are no problems I would love that too
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on January 31, 2007, 03:05:27 PM
Kitchenrat,

Capital City Brewery is very good resturant. I love the food and service there. Hope that you will enjoy it there tonight. Maybe you can see the second half of the game if it's finish at or before 9pm. Union Station is very close to the campus. Come and watch us upset the York. ;) I was bit surprised you say that but that's what I am hoping for tonight, other upset win for the Bison. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on January 31, 2007, 03:48:34 PM
Winners:

YCP
CUA
HOOD
GOU
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MuMu on January 31, 2007, 06:15:45 PM
Matt or D-Mac,
If you could post the MU CUA game score at half that would be nice.
Thanks
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: smcmsid on January 31, 2007, 07:53:09 PM
Halftime from St. Mary's...

SMC   42
Hood  26
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on January 31, 2007, 08:16:25 PM
Quote from: MuMu on January 31, 2007, 06:15:45 PM
Matt or D-Mac,
If you could post the MU CUA game score at half that would be nice.
Thanks

CUA is posting live stats and audio too for the game so you can check score yourself. the links are on this page
http://www.cuacardinals.com/sports/mbkb/2006-07/schedule
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on January 31, 2007, 08:26:33 PM
keep it up SMC, the York Faithful needs this....

I have been sayin this Hood will crumble...give it time
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: smcmsid on January 31, 2007, 08:27:52 PM
2nd half
7:00 remaining

SMC   66     Hood  60
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MuMu on January 31, 2007, 08:33:31 PM
Baldeagles,
Thanks, thats a nice feature CUA has, they sound good for young broadcasters.

Hood coming back, noooo
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MuMu on January 31, 2007, 08:41:58 PM
Any word on the st. mary's score?

Hows the crowd at cua?

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 31, 2007, 08:44:39 PM
Well, I'm not at the game tonight for a good reason.

I'm happy to say that my wife gave birth to a beautiful baby boy this morning.  Patrick Letourneau is 6 pounds, 5 ounces, 19.5 inches.  Mom and baby are doing great.

Word is the kid's got a nice jump shot (though he didn't get it from his dad), and Catholic's the early leader in the recruiting battle.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MuMu on January 31, 2007, 08:51:15 PM
Congrats Matt
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: smcmsid on January 31, 2007, 09:01:10 PM
Final from St. Mary's...

SMC   87
Hood  81
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on January 31, 2007, 09:09:17 PM
Congrats Matt. Being a parent is the best thing you can do with your life!!

Upset special in Washington...

With 16 minutes left in the second, Gallaudet 41-York 36
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 31, 2007, 09:11:19 PM
Congrats to SMC... the Seahawks have certainly found their stride at the perfect time in the season.

Hood certainly wasn't going to win out... and showed some heart coming back... and they still have a two game lead (at least). Now... let's see how they recover from this loss.

And Matt... big time congrats, Dad! But I have to ask... do you love this site so much... you had to name your son after Pat Coleman?!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 31, 2007, 09:13:16 PM
By the way - in case no one is watching the score at CUA (nice stats package!)...

45-40 CUA 10:58 2nd
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on January 31, 2007, 09:15:33 PM
Update from Gallaudet

10:30 left,

York 50-Gallaudet 47

McGowan has 22
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MuMu on January 31, 2007, 09:18:18 PM
CUA by 8, 9 mins left
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on January 31, 2007, 09:19:01 PM
8:52 left at Gally,

York 53-Gallaudet 52

York began the second half on a 26-6 run.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on January 31, 2007, 09:26:41 PM
Update from Gally,

With 5:41

York 57-Gallaudet 56

McGowan has two free throws coming up.

KitchenRat, I knew this was not going to be a blowout and right now it looks like anyones game. It's always tough to play at that place.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 31, 2007, 09:28:18 PM
CUA is barely holding onto their lead - 60-59 with 4:09 left!

If they would only hit their free throws... this might be a bit easier.

At this point... Marymount is 9-9... CUA 7-15!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on January 31, 2007, 09:29:23 PM
Jon Mowl fouls out with just over four minutes left as York holds its tenuous one point advantage.
Brad Zerfing takes yet another charge. If there was a league leader in charges taken, Zerfing would be your league leader.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on January 31, 2007, 09:32:58 PM
3:05 left

Gallaudet leads by one
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MuMu on January 31, 2007, 09:34:43 PM
Please dear god dont let him hit a game winner and get his 1000. CAC refsss let them play
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on January 31, 2007, 09:36:52 PM
With under 2:00 left

Gallaudet 60-York 59

Sekoe White is having a huge game for Gallaudet, York ball
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MuMu on January 31, 2007, 09:38:02 PM
Put that in CDDDDD
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on January 31, 2007, 09:38:21 PM
With :45 left

York 62-Gallaudet 60

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on January 31, 2007, 09:39:40 PM
with 13.2 left,
York timeout
Game tied at 62
Nick Brady hits a three to put York up two, White hits a leaner in the lane to tie the game. York then calls timeout with possession
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on January 31, 2007, 09:41:07 PM
The Spartans and Bison head to overtime

Gallaudet switches back to man after playing zone, McGowan got hit on the elbow on his game-winning attempt but no call.

York's first overtime game of the year.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 31, 2007, 09:42:30 PM
MU and CUA are in OT... 64-64 with a little over 2 minutes left.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MuMu on January 31, 2007, 09:43:44 PM
Dmac,
Thanks its breaking up. keep me posted.Thanks
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MuMu on January 31, 2007, 09:45:42 PM
YCP,
McGowan what was his reaction?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on January 31, 2007, 09:47:44 PM
According to our radio guys, Chad just shook his head, headed to the bench and got ready for overtime. Not much you can do.

York 68-Gallaudet 64 with 2:26 remaining in overtime

White is having a huge game for the Bison
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on January 31, 2007, 09:49:39 PM
Sekoe White has 32 points for Gally

York 70-Gallaudet 66 with 2:00 left
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MuMu on January 31, 2007, 09:50:38 PM
CUA wins, seems like a great game to be at
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 31, 2007, 09:52:49 PM
CUA wins 67-64 in OT... good battle MU... had to come back from about 9 points down in the 2nd half.

Too much Cardinals despite shooting 44% from the FT line (Marymount 100%)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on January 31, 2007, 09:54:41 PM
With 20.1 seconds left in ot

York 74-Gallaudet 68
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on January 31, 2007, 09:57:30 PM
Final from Gallaudet, the Spartans survive a spirited upset bid from the Bison.

York 78-Gallaudet 73

Sekoe White hits a shot from halftcourt at the final horn, he finishes with 35
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 31, 2007, 10:04:35 PM
Salisbury 80 - Goucher 65

The Seagulls end a 5 game slid thanks to the Gophers! Hope Goucher finds their way... before they possibly miss the playoffs :).
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cuabigdog on January 31, 2007, 11:44:02 PM
CUA survives late rally by Marymount to defeat the Saints in OT  67-64


Player Name            FG-FGA FG-FGA FT-FTA OF DE TOT PF  TP  A TO BLK S MIN
Stephen Wheeler       6-13    0-1        2-7    7  7      14   1  14  2  0   5     2  41
Scott Fumai....              7-17   5-13      2-2    1  5       6    1  21  1  4  1    1  38
Patrick Dwyer                3-4    0-0        3-6    3  7       10   4   9  0  6  1     2  28
Nick Olivero........              6-10   3-5    0-0    1  0         1   3  15  0  0  0     1  35

Corey Diamond led the Saints with 24 points

Catholic improves to  15-4  [7-4]
Marymount falls  to    10-9 [5-6]

CUA returns to action on Sat Feb 3 at Hood College in Frederick MD at 2 PM
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 31, 2007, 11:48:46 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on January 31, 2007, 08:44:39 PM
Well, I'm not at the game tonight for a good reason.

I'm happy to say that my wife gave birth to a beautiful baby boy this morning.  Patrick Letourneau is 6 pounds, 5 ounces, 19.5 inches.  Mom and baby are doing great.

Word is the kid's got a nice jump shot (though he didn't get it from his dad), and Catholic's the early leader in the recruiting battle.

Congrats to you and your wife, whom I've met many times but whose name I sadly cannot recall.

If you needed me to pick her out of a lineup, though, we're all set. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cuabigdog on January 31, 2007, 11:57:22 PM
congrats Matt.. i would say you missed a real thriller but guess you had your own .. just remember to teach him how to protect the ball and not turn it over

glad to hear that you  , your wife and the future starting point guard  8)  for the Cardinals are all doing good
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on February 01, 2007, 09:37:38 AM
Quote from: kitchenrat on January 31, 2007, 01:17:27 PM
I have this strange feeling that there's going to be a big time upset in the CAC tonight.

Hood is the one team I think most everyone is sure will win tonight. They are starting to get Top 25 votes and look to be pulling away from the pack.
But, that trip to St. Mary's City can be a long one, and Tyson Lesesne is due for a big game against a big foe.

Mark it down...

The Kitchenrat says take the Seahawks (+5) over the Blazers. 

Where's the love for the Kitchenrat lock of the week?

Good to see thatt the Sparts kept themselves calm both after getting down early, then a noncall at the buzzer and then in OT. I've said it before, but no matter what their record is that is a hard place to play.

Congrats to Matt, my question is if you are going to train young Patrick to yell "3 second ref" at CUA games?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on February 01, 2007, 10:40:24 AM
Matt,

what are the chances of recruiting that kid to go to York.

Big win for the Spartans to get to 7-4.  They travel to Mary Washington, who has there number winning 3 of 4 against them including the semi final win at York a year ago.

Hood is coming back to the pack, a win by Catholic saturday and its a brand new confrence.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on February 01, 2007, 12:14:28 PM
Yes, Saturday should be a big one. I'll be out fo town, so i wont get to Goolrick. Rather than have HOOD fall back into the pack, rather see them do well
(esp. since MW is done playing them this year) and have them meet MW in the CAC Finals, Lose a thriller to the Eagles and have two CAC teams in the NCAA tourney.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: hugenerd on February 01, 2007, 04:09:08 PM
Quote from: hoodfan on January 16, 2007, 03:21:37 PM
I have been following Hood College for 4 years now, and they have certainly been impressive so far this year. Despite losing Santo Provenzano (1500 points in 3 seasons) they have become very good defensively, and have abandoned the zone defense that Coach Dickman played in his first 3 years there, and are now playing hard nosed man to man which Coach Dickman favored during his High School coaching days.

Sorry, I am a visitor to this board.  Anyone know what happened to Provenzano this year (maybe hoodfan)?  As stated earlier, he was averaging a ton of points and rebounds. Just curious.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: hoodfan on February 01, 2007, 04:15:17 PM
Tough game for the Hood Blazers last night. Hood started well getting out to a nine point lead in the early going, but SM got hot and Hood couldn't buy a basket and combined with some careless turnovers faced a 16 point halftime deficit. in the second half Hood played much better as Gutekunst started to assert himself, and Junghans scored 15 points after being held scoreless the first half. Hood took the lead back late in the second half, but only briefly. SM shot the ball extremely well all night, and made crucial shots when they needed them down the stretch. Hood couldn't get the stops when they needed them. It's interesting to see how competetive the games are becoming as teams head into the home stretch of the season. A lot of close games and overtime games are being played in the league.
Hood plays Catholic on Sat. in Frederick and that should be a good one as well.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: hoodfan on February 01, 2007, 04:25:39 PM
hugenerd, Santo completed his undergraduate degree in the spring of 06, and didn't want to enter into a graduate program just to complete his athletic eligibility. Before he came to Hood he had a year of Community College credits, so he completed his undergraduate degree early relative to his athletic eligibility.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: hugenerd on February 01, 2007, 04:26:40 PM
Thanks, that makes sense.  They would be even tougher without him.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on February 01, 2007, 08:46:54 PM
Spartans overcame early large deflict to beat the youthful Bison in an thrill overtime game

Score by Periods             1st  2nd  OT   Total
York (Pa.)..................    28   34   16  -   78
Gallaudet University....    41   21   11  -   73

HALF: GU lead 41-28
End of 2nd Half: Tied at 62 apiece

Gallaudet
Sekoe White - 35 points (13-21 FG, 4-7 3FG, 5-5 FT), 4 rebounds, 3 steals and 2 assists in 40 minutes. * Hit buzzer shot as the time expired in end of overtime from halfcourt *
Onye Davis - 12 points and 8 rebounds
Jon Mowl - 9 points (3-6 FG, 3-6 3FG), and 5 assists. He was injured while foul out with 5:40 remaining in 2nd half. He was taken out off the court for injured treatment to his shooting hand.
Jonathan Valencia - 9 points, 3 assists and 2 steals


York College of Pennsylvania
Chad McGowan - 26 points (7-17 FG, 12-17 FT), 9 rebounds and 3 steals in 40 minutes. 16 of 26 points came in 1st half. *POY Candidate*
Nick Brady - 19 points and 6 rebounds
Pat Kelley - 13 points and 7 rebounds
Nate Lankford - 7 assists, 7 rebounds, 3 steals and 2 blocks
Joe Yeck - 9 points and 3 steals

Other stats to note..
POINTS IN PAINT             1   2   OT - Tot
York (Pa.).................   12   8   2  -  22
Gallaudet University....   16   8   4  -  28


This saturday, Gallaudet will travel to Salisbury (10-9, 5-5) to take on the Sea Gulls in Maggs Center at 7:30pm.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on February 01, 2007, 08:51:41 PM
Matt,

Congrats on the birth.. I agreed with CUAbigdog's comment..

Quote from: cuabigdog on January 31, 2007, 11:57:22 PM
congrats Matt.. i would say you missed a real thriller but guess you had your own .. just remember to teach him how to protect the ball and not turn it over

glad to hear that you  , your wife and the future starting point guard  8)  for the Cardinals are all doing good

Also, I am not surprise if he would be future coach for Cards.. Bring your child to his first away game on Feb. 14th at Field House. ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 02, 2007, 05:02:24 AM
Quote from: hugenerd on February 01, 2007, 04:09:08 PM
Quote from: hoodfan on January 16, 2007, 03:21:37 PM
I have been following Hood College for 4 years now, and they have certainly been impressive so far this year. Despite losing Santo Provenzano (1500 points in 3 seasons) they have become very good defensively, and have abandoned the zone defense that Coach Dickman played in his first 3 years there, and are now playing hard nosed man to man which Coach Dickman favored during his High School coaching days.

Sorry, I am a visitor to this board.  Anyone know what happened to Provenzano this year (maybe hoodfan)?  As stated earlier, he was averaging a ton of points and rebounds. Just curious.

You could've read Around the Nation and learned that for yourself. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycpfinal4 on February 02, 2007, 09:49:32 AM
Chad McGowan is an unstoppable beastly mans man(POY hands down).  York is poised to make a run towards the home strectch of the season.  The pieces seem to be falling in place late in the season.  Look for York to make a run at the CAC championship.  York needs better interior defense....they do not protect their basket well enough.  Zerfing is due for a stunning performance and the rest of the young spartans will eagerly follow their leader.  Joe Yeck has been playing solid...like always.  Zerfing, McGowan, and Yeck are the last remaining players from the glorious run in 2004-2005.  They know what it takes to compete and win, their mettle on the court will prove to be priceless late in the season.  GO YORK!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on February 02, 2007, 11:50:02 AM
Congrats, Matt. Now we know you'll have lots of at home time to comment on the board.

MW will respond to their OT loss last Saturday and host YCP at Goolrick. Look for that leadership from MW's big SR 3 Lee, Baker and Fitzgerald to take hold. If MW gets good inside play from Whitworth and outside fancy from Hale, MW will have its best shot.

Gotta love February in the CAC!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on February 02, 2007, 01:09:53 PM
UMW by 8-10 at home over York tomorrow.  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on February 02, 2007, 03:27:38 PM
http://athletics.umw.edu/index.html

02/02/07
UMW Basketball to Host Locks of Love Game Saturday


FREDERICKSBURG, VA - The University of Mary Washington basketball teams will host their annual "Locks of Love" Games on Saturday. A $5 donation is requested from all in attandance, as stylists from Fantastic Sams will cut the hair of several ladies to be donated to the Locks of Love organization that makes wigs for children with cancer. All proceeds and donations collected will also be given to Locks of Love.

http://www.locksoflove.org
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cuabigdog on February 03, 2007, 04:16:24 PM
Any score on the CUA- Hood Matchup  today?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 03, 2007, 04:33:50 PM
From Mary Wash,

UMW 29-York 27

I am not sure how much time is left in the first half.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 03, 2007, 04:46:26 PM
At the half,

UMW 42-YCP 38
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cuabigdog on February 03, 2007, 05:18:40 PM
Catholic U improved to 16-4  [8-4  CAC] with the victory today over Hood College 69-62 in Frederick MD. Hood falls to 16-5 [9-3 CAC]  With the victory  CUA moves into 2nd place in the CAC behind Hood
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 03, 2007, 05:26:39 PM
With just over six minutes left,

York 69-UMW 62
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 03, 2007, 05:33:20 PM
3:46 to play in Fredericksburg

York 76-UMW 69

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 03, 2007, 05:38:20 PM
York 80-UMW 71

with 2:29 left
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 03, 2007, 05:45:04 PM
With 1:05 left
York 85-UMW 75
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 03, 2007, 05:50:48 PM
Final from UMW...

York 90-Mary Washington 75

Huge win for the Spartans as they pull into a second place tie with Catholic

I know that most people feel the Coach of the Year is Coach Dickman (who has a done a wonderful job at Hood) but don't discount the job that Jeff Gamber has done with the Spartans. Losing four cornerstones like Bushey, Fass, Singer, and Lee and to still be in contention is a great credit to his team and his coaching staff.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 03, 2007, 06:25:09 PM
Box Score for the YCP/UMW Game

http://www.ycp.edu/sports/mens_basketball/2006/YCPMBB21.HTM
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MuMu on February 03, 2007, 07:29:58 PM
As it is Mu tip time the painters have left and everytime I look I browse up marymount blue is what I see.

MU by 6 tonight at Goucher. DMACcccc keep me posted please..

Another York W they keep the score and game in the green tempo
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 03, 2007, 07:49:36 PM
I will do my best to keep you updated... but it will be easier if you keep the scoreboard page up and constantly refresh it.

The link is: http://www.d3hoops.com/schedule.php?date=2007-02-03&team=mens

Right now: 18-10 13:31 Marymount lead
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 03, 2007, 07:50:48 PM
Sorry - mistype... 12-10 Marymount with 12:42 remaining the 1st half now... timeout Marymount
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 03, 2007, 08:04:21 PM
23-23 7:23 left... Marymount is playing very physical... but sloppy. Goucher is agressive and it's paying off... they were down about 8-0 to start and have taken the lead a couple of times.

Up and down the court game... but Marymount is not playing very disaplined.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 03, 2007, 08:18:17 PM
34-29 MU at the Half

Lots of Player Control fouls being called... and correctly. Offensive guys on both teams are a little out of control and pushing off a lot. Despite what the fans here think... I think the game is being called pretty well... not perfectly of course... but not bad.

Both teams not playing very good basketball... but everyone is fighting for everything.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MuMu on February 03, 2007, 08:34:48 PM
dmac,
It seems like a Goucher MU macth up, Physical and the teams are having trouble playing their games. Close one in bmore
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 03, 2007, 08:40:17 PM
MuMu... exactly right. Neither team is playing good basketball... both are physical and flying on defense (though both are playing zone mainly)... and it is close. Goucher went to a full court press... Satins have not handled it... tied at 40 with 16:30 to go.

By the way... both Corey Diamond and Fred Stanback picked up their fourth personal fouls early in the second.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 03, 2007, 08:54:30 PM
Saints have made a run.,... thanks in part to very sloppy and uninspiring play on the part of the Gophers.

Saints now have a 55-46 lead with 8:25 2nd.

Also... Kyle O'Connor now has picked up his fourth.

But players like Ellis and Prewitt are picking up the slack for the Saints right now.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 03, 2007, 09:05:53 PM
WAY TO GO CARDINALS!!!
Yes! That's a great win.  Balanced attack--Wheeler's 18, Fumai's 19 (mostly from the line).

Congratulations to Scott for scoring his 1,000 point.  When you consider he didn't play his freshman year, that's even more impessive.

Yes, Gamber has done a good job at York, and Dickman, of course at Hood--but isn't Steve Howes getting overlooked here?  Sure, everybody is used to Catholic being at the top of the conference, but if you think its easy taking over for Mike Lonergan, you're crazy--especially when you do it way late in the recruiting year and consequently have zero new players your first year in.  Yes, Catholic has a solid group of Lonergan-era seniors,  but they developed under Howes and they are NOT winning games on their own.  The younger players are stepping up and augmenting.

There's been very little drop off since Mike left--and that's a huge credit to Howes.  He deserves a CAC COY award before he leaves the conference.  I could be wrong on this, but I believe he'll have the best 3 year record of ANY coach EVER in the CAC.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 03, 2007, 09:08:25 PM
63-56 MU with 2:53 left in the 2nd

Goucher is trying to claw it's way back. Russo has hit a couple of three's here... but the Saints are getting second chances on the offensive side and taking advantage of those opportunities.

Should say Mike Gray is playing well inside tonight as well.

Could be a very tight finish.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 03, 2007, 09:11:53 PM
64-61 MU with 1:21 remaining
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 03, 2007, 09:13:34 PM
Diamond hits a three-pointer in the corner with just under a minute remaining.

Merritt gets a rebound and basket for Goucher on the other end...

67-64 MU with 0:44.9 remaining - timeout Goucher... Saints possession under the Goucher basket.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MuMu on February 03, 2007, 09:15:20 PM
wow great game to be at. Diamond is playing really with one leg. he has so much heart
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 03, 2007, 09:16:27 PM
Stanback hits 1 of 2 free throws.

Then Standford drives the lane for Goucher and scores...

68-65 MU with 25.6 seconds remaining... Goucher calls their last timeout.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MuMu on February 03, 2007, 09:19:23 PM
My year we lost every close one hopefully not this year come on saintsss
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 03, 2007, 09:22:14 PM
Majors misses the front end of a 1-and-1... Goucher takes the ball down and Standford (for some reason) drives and misses the lay-up.... Diamond rebound... makes both free-throws after being fouled.

Standford then drove and hit a layup with 3 seconds left... but not enough time.

Marymount holds on to win 70-67... in a very chaotic, sloppy... but also hard-fought game.

Goucher needed to win tonight to right the ship... they are struggling.

Marymount didn't look great... but they fought hard to win... so congrats.

A strange day in the CAC... things are very tight!

More later :)!

Stanford
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MuMu on February 03, 2007, 09:25:44 PM
Marymount seems playing well now.Any word how the playoffs might look
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: muchacho on February 03, 2007, 11:14:44 PM
Good to see Catholic knock off Hood today. Its interesting to see the boxscore show that Catholic had only 2 bench points. I can't remember any games where Catholic's bench doesn't have a lot to contribute. However, I think that this is a sign of where Catholic's program is at right now. They don't have the depth of previous years, and if they want to be successful to end the season they will have to rely on just a handful of players to get it done. An off night by one or two of Dwyer, Wheeler, and Fumai probably means a loss right now. Its good to see Nick Olivero stepping up as the year goes on. Aside from Dwyer and Fumai, Coach Howe has altered his lineup a lot this year. Olivero seems to have made himself a permanent starter, and with Wheeler's progression as the year has gone on, Catholic now has a firm starting 4. I liked seeing Wasilenko at the point against Hood today, but it seems that Howe has never committed to Mike at that position.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: unreallawns on February 04, 2007, 12:49:29 AM
Looks like Salisbury is starting to get back on the right track.  They moved over 500 in the conference.  They have both of their post players back and Ozi Menakaya had 19 boards.  Wow.  Ray Williams has to be definitly considered for POY!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 04, 2007, 07:49:52 AM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on February 03, 2007, 09:05:53 PM
There's been very little drop off since Mike left--and that's a huge credit to Howes.  He deserves a CAC COY award before he leaves the conference.  I could be wrong on this, but I believe he'll have the best 3 year record of ANY coach EVER in the CAC.

Matt,

Coach Howes has done a good job but this is not a lifetime achievement award. My contention is that no one, except for the coaching staff and players, thought York would be in this position (tied for second, a game back of first) at this time of the year. Losing what the Spartans lost from last year and still be highly competitive is something that is worthy of COY consideration.

That being said, this is a huge week for York. At a hot St. Mary's squad on Saturday, hosting Catholic Thursday, and at Marymount on Saturday before returning home to close out the regular season against Hood on Valentine's Day. A pretty challenging slate but then again, every game in this conference this year is challenging.

Also, I hope you meant first three years of a career because the last three years overall.....York 67-15, Catholic 57-21

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 04, 2007, 02:09:02 PM
Yes, I meant first three years as a head coach.  I'm pretty confident that Coach Gamber didn't have a 57-21 career record his first three years as a coach. 

Its true York is doing quite nicely, but its also true that the non-Catholic fans on this board weren't exactly high on the Cardinals chances this year either.  Maybe a little higher than they were York's, yes.  But at what point does a coach get rewarded for being consistently good.  The way this award seems to work is that you have to be a mediocre team/program and have a good year in order to win it.  If you are consistenly good, you've got no chance.  That seems backward to me.  Its like saying Joe Torre should never win AL Manager of the Year because the Yankees are usually good.  There's a reason for that, and it starts with the coaching.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 04, 2007, 02:59:50 PM
That's what I thought you meant. I am now curious and will have to research other three-year starts.

I believe the coach of the year should be the guy that does the best job with his available talent. I also think it should not carry over from one year to the next. Every year is a new journey and I don't believe the COY (or any of those yearly awards) should be a carryover from the previous year.

That being said, I am not sure the men's basketball coaches all view the award the same way. Look at the list of winners over the last 15 years and there can be a lack of consistency in the voting. That comes from eight (now nine) coaches having very little guidelines in terms of the post-season awards.

I would also submit that in men's lacrosse, Jim Berkman, the Salisbury coach, has won a number of national championships but has very rarely won the CAC Coach-of-the-Year award. It doesn't make much sense but that's happened a number of times throughout the CAC. The arguement is that he has the most talent so therefore he should win and maybe doesn't do the best coaching job. I don't necessarily agree with that but that's the mentality.

If coach Howes was to win the award, last year probably should have been the year. Winning the CAC championship in his second season was an accomplishment but you know how that voting went.

It's always an interesting vote as I am sure it will be again this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 04, 2007, 03:00:36 PM
By the way, getting much sleep with your little point guard?

Get through the first six to nine weeks and you will be fine.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 04, 2007, 10:02:49 PM
No, not much sleep!

But he's worth it.

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi141.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fr62%2FMFLetou%2FIMG_3031.jpg&hash=46aa331113d623491fba85b52c037b50c4e53612)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 04, 2007, 10:16:54 PM
They are worth every second!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycpfinal4 on February 04, 2007, 10:55:23 PM
Watch out for YCP.  They are picking up some speed.  There are guys on that team who know what it takes to win.  They will be a tough team to beat if they can remain composed.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ex_mu14 on February 05, 2007, 09:46:18 AM
Look like Mike Gray had another double double (21pts 10rebs) against Goucher... Big match up Tuesday at home against Hood.  After this L, they'll be back with the rest of the league.....
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on February 05, 2007, 10:27:51 AM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on February 04, 2007, 10:02:49 PM

But he's worth it.


Is that a CUA logo on his chest?  ;)  :D  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MuMu on February 05, 2007, 10:31:40 AM
Matt,
you know every boy loves the color Blue, I will put in a good word for you and junior.

I thought Hood would lose a couple.

Dmac,
what is the most chatted and posted conf on d3hoops?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ex_mu14 on February 05, 2007, 02:54:11 PM
Yeah, we know how much Matt loves MU and the verizon...haha
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 05, 2007, 09:19:25 PM
Quote from: MuMu on February 05, 2007, 10:31:40 AM
Dmac,
what is the most chatted and posted conf on d3hoops?
CCIW, WIAC, MIAA, NCAC, and MIAC have more than double the "pages" and many, many more posters from different schools in their conferences!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on February 06, 2007, 12:37:53 PM
Tonight starts the home strecth for CAC Hoops.  3 teams are playing for the homecourt.  Hood at 9-3 has lost 2 in a row and is in danger of falling into a first place tie with a lose and a York win tonight (no easy tasks @ St. Mary's).

Hood is @ Marymount, @ Goucher, @ York Home against Salisbury to finish season.
York is @St. Mary's Home against Catholic @ Marymount Home against Hood
Catholic @ York home against Salisbury @ Goucher home against Mary Wash

I can see this going down to the wire.  I see Catholic finishing in 3rd if York holds serve and beats them at home and they do have the toughest schedule.  Meaning the York Hood game will be for confrence title (Regular season)

York 12-4
Hood 12-4
Catolic 10-6

thats just my predicition and I am from York so Im going with them and there hot.  Should be a good game on Thursday with both teams are real hot coming in.

Good Luck tonight all
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Coach C on February 06, 2007, 12:45:19 PM
I am going with the chalk in this one.  Gamber's Yorkies get it done and take home another title. 

The real question is wether Hood could get a Pool C bid with 6 losses if York wints the Pool A bid from the CAC.

C
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on February 06, 2007, 03:19:08 PM
Rough past couple of games as MW is sliding further from the top. All the other teams are winning. LEt's hope Coach Wood and the Seniors and right the ship and get back on track.

2/6 : SAL  (WIN)
2/8: @ GAL (WIN)
2/10: GOU (WIN)
2/14: SMC (LOSS)
2/17: @ CUA (WIN)

16-8, 10-6 IN CONFERENCE
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on February 06, 2007, 04:29:18 PM
York has a relatively rough stretch to finish of the season. At St. Mary's, Home to CUA (I am so mad I won't be able to go to that game) at Marymount and then home against Hood. They played these same four teams in the same sequence in January and the result was 2-2. If that held true this time around, they would be 16-9, 10-6 which would mean a home game in the tournament.

While winning at St. Mary's and MMU is never an easy proposition I think they can hold serve and earn the sweep in both of those games. Now that the rest of the offense is showing up and it's not all on Big Chad's shoulders I think they can be very competitive against Hood and CUA as well.

I'll stop short of saying they are going to win out, because the game tonight in St. Mary's City is a hard enough win (just ask Hood). I do feel a lot better about the Spartans chances then I ever thought I would back in October, and that is cause enough for celebration. And yes, I think it is reason enough to talk about Jeff Gamber as CAC coach of the year.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 06, 2007, 05:18:05 PM

Seems like everybody is ignoring the 1,000 pound gorilla lurking.  You know, the one with all the banners?

To my Spartan friends--what in the world in the drubbing York took against Catholic leads you to believe they can slot themselves right ahead of the Cardinals?  Sure, its at home this time, but at no point was that game particularly competitive.  It was NOT one of those games that "could have gone either way," as we say.

We'll see, but my eyebrows are raised at some of these predictions.  I'm not one to boast or make them myself, because I know how things can go.  I respect the heck out of York and what they are doing this year and years past.  But it doesn't seem to me like counting out the Red and Black is a particulary good move.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 06, 2007, 09:14:03 PM
Matt,

Anyone would be foolish to discount the drubbing CUA gave the Spartans a few weeks ago. However, I will say this, York is a much better team than they were a few weeks ago. I realize that Catholic is also better and Thursday should be a great game. Catholic is the reigning tournament champ so I would hope that everyone still knows that the road to the 2007 championship goes through DC.

I believe that this is a very unusual year. There are seven teams that could get hot and win three straight games in the tournament. I don't ever remember in my 12 years in York that there has been as open a field in the men's tournament.

It should provide for some exciting basketball over the next few weeks.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 06, 2007, 09:15:51 PM
From SMC

SMC 56-YCP 48

14:16 remaining in the second half

York took a huge early lead (I believe about 15 points) and SMC has been playing very well ever since.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: hoodfan on February 06, 2007, 09:17:44 PM
Hood loses to Mu by about 14, Junghans was out with injury and MU's zone surrounded Gutekunst and made things difficult for him. Blazers are in need of a big win Thursday at Goucher
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Coach C on February 06, 2007, 09:18:16 PM
Matt -

While it's not as tough a place to play as the old gym with the tile an d pipe smoke, I think that YCP rides the hoe crowd to a decisive win over CUA.

C
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 06, 2007, 09:23:31 PM
SMC 63-York 57 with 10 minutes left
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 06, 2007, 09:28:04 PM
St. Mary's is starting to pull away, 70-57 with 9:19 left

It looks like's the Spartans' chance to pull into a first place tie to go by the wayside.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 06, 2007, 09:31:01 PM
Quote from: Coach C on February 06, 2007, 09:18:16 PM
I think that YCP rides the hoe crowd to a decisive win over CUA.

C

Are there lots of gardeners at York or something? :)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 06, 2007, 09:33:43 PM
SMC 74-York 60 with 6:25 left

I don't have any stats but it seems like St. Mary's has lived at the line tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 06, 2007, 09:41:32 PM

SMC 79-York 69

3:05 remaining. York is struggling from the free throw line while St. Mary's can't miss
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 06, 2007, 09:43:27 PM
Quote from: ycp on February 06, 2007, 09:41:32 PM

SMC 79-York 69

3:05 remaining. York is struggling from the free throw line while St. Mary's can't miss

If you use your username and password to post on the Scoreboard you could post updates for everyone to see, not just the couple of people reading this board.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 06, 2007, 09:51:41 PM
So, just to recap---all alone, in FIRST place in the CAC....your Catholic University Cardinals.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 06, 2007, 09:54:52 PM
Matt,

I had a feeling you could be smiling tonight :)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 06, 2007, 09:59:38 PM
St. Mary's ices the game with a parade to the free throw line at the end of the game

Final: SMC 95-YCP 85

Stats when I get em'

Any update from UMW/SAL game?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbsquared on February 06, 2007, 10:17:05 PM
UMW 57-56. Pierce hit two FT  with 4 seconds left and Ray Williams missed a last second shot for SAL.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: gouchersid on February 06, 2007, 10:41:51 PM
Matt,

Although your most recent post does seem like your boasting just a little bit, I can't let you get by with saying that your Catholic Univeristy Cardinals are all alone in first place in the CAC when they actually are in second place.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 06, 2007, 10:44:00 PM
http://www.d3hoops.com/conference_info.php?conf=CAC&team=m

       Conference Only               Overall
       W   L   Pct   PF   PA               W   L   Pct   PF   PA
Hood   9   4   .692   1000   954               16   6   .727   1661   1542
Catholic   8   4   .667   808   750               16   4   .800   1380   1229
York (Pa.)   8   5   .615   1042   985               14   8   .636   1687   1593
Mary Washington   7   5   .583   890   809               13   7   .650   1471   1360
Marymount   7   6   .538   925   915               12   9   .571   1522   1447
St. Mary's (Md.)   6   6   .500   903   933               11   9   .550   1484   1506
Salisbury   6   6   .500   867   836               11   10   .524   1527   1483
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on February 06, 2007, 10:44:31 PM
Final from Field House..

Goucher Gophers beat Gallaudet Bison, 85-67. It was 39-33 at the halftime in favor of the Gophers. Both teams shot for total of 23 three points shot made.

Russo - 31 points (9 three pointers)
Mowl - 16 points (3 three pointers)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 06, 2007, 10:45:42 PM
Wow, how did I miss that :)

Good catch by a fellow landmark member, nothing like conference love
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 06, 2007, 10:55:38 PM
Quote from: gouchersid on February 06, 2007, 10:41:51 PM
Matt,

Although your most recent post does seem like your boasting just a little bit, I can't let you get by with saying that your Catholic Univeristy Cardinals are all alone in first place in the CAC when they actually are in second place.



Yup.  This is why I did not major in math.  Or really am even slightly competent at it.

Actually its funny, after I wrote that, I was thinking, you know, I really should have used the calculator function to make sure...oh well, somebody will correct me if I'm wrong...

Anyway, ok, they're in a tie.  Not sure if they are technically in second or not because they've played fewer games.  In the AL East, we'd call it a "virtual tie."  We can call it second place if it makes everybody feel better.

Its not so much that I'm boasting, its just that we've had a lot of discussion about everybody but Catholic winning the Conference--recently York, before that Hood, before that Mary Wash--and now that we've gotten to February, here they are.  Lets face it, nobody but basically me even thought they had much of a chance.

There's still a lot of basketball left.  The York game Thursday night will be an extremely tough game for them.  Any result would not surprise me.




Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 06, 2007, 11:34:03 PM
It's not a tie or a virtual tie. Catholic is a half-game behind Hood. That's how it would be referred to in the AL East or any other division. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cugrad on February 06, 2007, 11:43:15 PM
Catholic has lost home games to Goucher and Gallaudet. They're not a lock against anybody. Simply because they beat York soundly at Catholic doesn't mean that they will go up to York and come away with a win. York is a tough place to win. When the Cards play well they can beat anybody. However, they continue to be inconsistent. Shooting continues to be a problem for Catholic. 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 06, 2007, 11:59:24 PM
I couldn't resist but as I write tonight's game story, a flash on Sports Center.

San Diego State's Jerome Habel throws down a flush as the Aztecs are primed to upset Air Force.

That just makes me chuckle.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 07, 2007, 12:24:03 AM
Details from SMC/YCP Game

All five Seahawk starters reached double figures led by guard Mike Smelkinson as he poured in 24 points. He was 14-for-21 at the free throw line and 5-for-9 from the floor. Alex Irmer notched a double-double with 19 points and 10 rebounds while he also blocked two shots. Tyson Lesesne added 17 points, nine rebounds, and three steals while Valdez Preston recorded 14 points and seven rebounds. Calvin Wise was the fifth Seahawk in double figures with 10 points and eight rebounds.
Junior Chad McGowan paced all scorers with 31 points, his fourth 30-point effort of the year. McGowan was 11-for-20 from the floor, 1-for-1 from three, and 8-for-10 from the free throw line. He led York with eight rebounds while he also had an assist, a blocked shot, and a steal. Nick Brady contributed 16 points, three rebounds, and a pair of steals while Kelley recorded 10 points and seven rebounds.
The game featured a combined 51 fouls and 85 free throws. St. Mary's went 38-for-48 from the charity stripe for the game including nailing their last 17 FT attempts of the game and 12-for-12 in the final minute of the contest.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 07, 2007, 01:20:46 AM
Quote from: cugrad on February 06, 2007, 11:43:15 PM
Catholic has lost home games to Goucher and Gallaudet. They're not a lock against anybody. Simply because they beat York soundly at Catholic doesn't mean that they will go up to York and come away with a win. York is a tough place to win. When the Cards play well they can beat anybody. However, they continue to be inconsistent. Shooting continues to be a problem for Catholic. 

God, Catholic fans like you are so damn spoiled.   Its hilarious.  Its insulting to teams that really are inconsistent to call a 16-4 team that has won 80% of its games inconsistent.

Of course there aren't perfect.  Yes, they are flawed.  Newsflash--if they don't play well, they won't win.  But lets get real here.  At this level of basketball, any team that plays 20 games and wins 16 of them is pretty consistent.   

At least we've got realistic fans, I suppose.  At some point its overly realistic. I was talking to a supposed CUA "fan" after the Goucher game--a blowout win--and all he wanted to talk about is how Catholic's young depth wasn't where it needed to be.  This is in a game where they got 36 points from underclassmen.

Its always funny to me how everybody else comes on here talking up their teams, except Catholic fans who always seem to want to talk them down.  It isn't like I disagree with you, of course you are right.  But...if you knew nothing about this league, and just judged who was actually good based on what people are posting, you certainly wouldn't think the dominant team on this league for the last decade is Catholic.

I know the bar has been set high, guys.  I know Mike Lonergan built some extremely successful teams.  I'm not some idiot fanboy who has no perspective and doesn't watch basketball.  I look at the CAC and I see 9 flawed teams.  It just so happens that I think one of--if not THE least flawed--is Catholic.  So I'm not counting them out.





Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 07, 2007, 01:36:12 AM
Excellent. I have raised a realistic fan base. :)

I don't see, however, why cugrad is considered "damn spoiled." They certainly seem inconsistent.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 07, 2007, 01:44:06 AM
Context.  In the context of Catholic basketball, sure, maybe they are little inconsistent.  Though even those "legendary" teams had a couple of bad losses along the way. 

But they're a 16-4 team.  They've lost exactly ZERO games by more than 8 points.  They play excellent defense every time out.  They have an 18 ppg scorer and a 9.4 rpg rebounder.  There has not been a single game this season where they haven't been in it in the last 2 minutes.  I'm not sure anybody else can say that.

To an extent, EVERYBODY is inconsistent in the CAC.  But in the overall pantheon of Division 3 basketball--let alone the CAC, Catholic is pretty damn consistent.  I'm quite sure that at least 75% of the other programs out there would like to have such an "inconsistent" team with an .800 winning percentage.  Good thing Grad isn't a Marymount fan, he'd have jumped off the 14th Street Bridge by now. 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 07, 2007, 02:12:31 AM
Well, here's hoping they win an actual NCAA Tournament game this year. If not, you might have to back off your mantra of there being hardly any drop-off post-Lonergan.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ex_mu14 on February 07, 2007, 06:59:09 AM
I think Hood is starting to run out of gas....In the CAC, it's not how you start, but how you finish that counts....I think MU is starting to hit there stride at the right time.....Who next?  Let's end York hopes of winning the regular season this Saturday...

I think MUMU was right about hood falling apart...
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ex_mu14 on February 07, 2007, 07:19:06 AM
MU is 8-4 in their last 12 games... They have a good chance of getting the 3rd seed for the playoffs...
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on February 07, 2007, 08:13:55 AM
MW wins! It was a tough one with a pair of Pierce FTs that won the game for them. Senior guard Mike Lee became just the third player in school history to surpass 1,500 career points, and senior guard Justin Baker became the 14th player in school history to surpass 1,000 career points. In only 3 years, no less. Congrats to you both!
Pierce led the way with 15 pts, Baker had 14 pts, Lee grabbed 11 rebounds. a few more than Ozi  ;)

We have Gally tomorrow in another battle. Lets keep pace with the "gorilla" that is yooououuuuurrrrr caaaaathoooooliiiiiicccccc caaaaaaaaaaardinaaaallllllssssss!!

He may be tired as heck with a young hoops fan, but it's good to see Matt still has some fire for CAC basketball and has maintained the ability to spin everything in CUA's favor....you dont have any experience writing press releases for politicians do you??
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on February 07, 2007, 08:57:53 AM
Like I said, St. Mary's can be a tough trip, especially when you go 23-37 from the line. Now Thursday's game becomes huge for York, who will fall to the center of the pack with a loss, but hold solid footing with a win.

I don't think anyone is counting Catholic out, or diminishing their last decade of consistency. Quite the opposite in my mind. When a team does well each and every year you tend to just take them for Granted. I've been watching the CAC for the last 13 years and I have seen it happen a few times. There was a time when you just assumed Goucher was coming for you at the end of the season. We hosted the CAC title game in '95 and we had beaten Goucher twice that year, but no one over looked them when they came up to the kitchen.

It is only natural for every fan who posts here to be biased toward their team. We all know out teams much better than the other 8 in the CAC and so we have a better feeling for their strengths and weaknesses. Add to that the fact that there are two extreme types of fans in the world: Red Sox fans, and Patriots fans. Red Sox fans can be down on the team even in the hours after winning the World Series, but Pat's fans can never be convinced that there is anything wrong with their team and can say that the only reason they lost to Indy was because half the team had the flu. And they come from the same City! I like to think that most of us fall into the middle, but anyone who's ever listened to (or hosted) a sports talk radio show knows: most fans are impossible.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cugrad on February 07, 2007, 09:16:47 AM
Matt, I think that it's great that the Cards are 16-4, and are in a very good position to finish high in the league. As well, I don't think anybody would count out Catholic. I'm a big fan of Catholic basketball, but I try to look at things from a realistic point of view. They certainly have been consistent in terms of winning throughout the past ten years or so. It's been a great ride! I simply noted that their play has been quite inconsistent this year. They looked like world beaters during a few games back in January, yet displayed a less than attractive version of the game against Gallaudet, Salisbury, and a few others. The only area of the game where they have been consistent this year is in their inability to put the ball into the basket. I read your posts to say that Catholic need only show up in York to get a win. That certainly is not the case. I hope that they win by 20, but I wouldn't bet on it.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on February 07, 2007, 10:30:24 AM
Despite the increasingly vocal outburts from MU fans, I do have to give them a ton of credit. they're really heated up the second half of the year. MW has their work cut out for them.

Also, please Coach Wood, recruit a big man or two, would it kill you to do so?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on February 07, 2007, 11:41:46 AM
Matt -

You say you're not counting CUA out and you shouldn't or almost anybody else for that matter. The CAC seems as close to parity and the "any given day" approach that the NFL wants as is possible

goonie -

recruit a big man or two AND keep them playing for four years too

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on February 07, 2007, 12:10:28 PM
yes, very good point, keep them. i'd kill for even just Josh Wilson at the point!
I believe Ian Summers and Kevin Moore would have graudated last year?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 07, 2007, 04:31:43 PM
Quote from: cugrad on February 07, 2007, 09:16:47 AM
Matt, I think that it's great that the Cards are 16-4, and are in a very good position to finish high in the league. As well, I don't think anybody would count out Catholic. I'm a big fan of Catholic basketball, but I try to look at things from a realistic point of view. They certainly have been consistent in terms of winning throughout the past ten years or so. It's been a great ride! I simply noted that their play has been quite inconsistent this year. They looked like world beaters during a few games back in January, yet displayed a less than attractive version of the game against Gallaudet, Salisbury, and a few others. The only area of the game where they have been consistent this year is in their inability to put the ball into the basket. I read your posts to say that Catholic need only show up in York to get a win. That certainly is not the case. I hope that they win by 20, but I wouldn't bet on it.

Well, that's not what I was saying.  I was just responding to the York fans that seemed almost to be taking that game for granted--as if York was looking at an easy W.  I don't see it that way--its going to be a tough game for both of them.

To an extent, I know what you mean, but I just don't think you are looking at the big picture of what Division 3 basketball is--and what this conference is.   Yes, Catholic has had a couple of bad nights.  But when you've got a team that has won 16 of 20 games and has not lost a game by more than 8 points all season, I think you've actually got a remarkably consistent team.  You know what is consistent? DEFENSE.  Defense wins games for them.  They've played good defense almost every single game of the season, even when the offense is not clicking.  The effort is always there.  That keeps them in every single game.

Rat--good points.  But you know what? Red Sox fans and Patriots fans are the SAME fans!  I'm one of them! Just different levels of passion and attitudes toward the team.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 07, 2007, 04:39:45 PM
Just in case you missed the big bold letters above:

Middle Atlantic Region
1 Johns Hopkins 19-2 18-1
2 Catholic 16-4 15-4
3 Hood 16-5 15-4
4 Messiah 15-5 12-3
5 Alvernia 16-4 15-2
6 Scranton 16-5 14-5
7 Lincoln 13-7 9-3
8 King's 14-7 13-6
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 07, 2007, 05:16:39 PM
Hood certainly seems to be struggling right now. But when they lose Junghans and thus have to rely just Gutekunst for most of their offense... that makes it very difficult.

CUA certainly is playing good basketball, but I agree with the inconsistent comment. With a loss to Goucher and Gallaudet and times where the team didn't look like it showed up or knows how to hit free throws (even in wins), I can't say I am confident about CUA's chances going into any game.

YCP... can't get a read on either. They are certainly a good team... but not great. Can they win the conference, sure... but I think they are going to need some help or when they face a good team - hope they have an off night.

SMC - certainly playing very well right now, but may not have the maturity or the experience (besides a few players) to withstand the pressure come tournament time.

MU - while playing good basketball and winning games, I think many of us are waiting for the wheels to fall off. Here's hoping they can keep things together... but we have seen it before.

UMW - head scratcher. Early on they looked like a dominate team this year. But they have not had any games where they have walked away or ended the game early. Too many teams have too many chances to win late in games. Until UMW dominates a game or easily wins a game or two (even against Gallaudet)... I am not sure they can win this conference.

Salisbury... ok... which team is going to show up? I have said it ALL season... they play to the same competition level as their opponent. This has cost them several games this season along with the games they lost do to team turmoil (for lack of a better word). Salisbury needs to come ready to play every game and no how to beat a team that is not nearly as better as them.

Not going to get into detail on Goucher or  Gallaudet... they are certainly on the outside right now.

As for the COY comments. Just my two cents on a few of the possible candidates:
- While we certainly didn't think YCP was going to be great this season, I doubt anyone thought they would be at the bottom of the pile. They are playing just about at where I (and many, I suspect) thought they would be. So with all due respect, I don't think Coach Gamber gets the award this season.
- CUA is certainly having a good season and Coach Howe is doing very well... but did anyone think they would be worse than this? I certainly thought they would be #2 or #3... so they aren't playing better than expected or at any outstanding level. Again all due respect, I don't see Coach Howe getting the award.
- Salisbury certainly had the chance to have a very successful season... but as we have known... they haven't. Sorry, but Coach Holmes probably doesn't get the award this year.
- I am not sure what anyone thought going into this season about UMW. I thought they would be good... but they surprised me by how well they started. Coach Wood maybe get the award.
- I am willing to put money on the fact no one thought Hood would be in first place in the conference - even this late in the season. I certainly didn't think they would be better than #7 or #8 this season. It's their first year in the conference, fourth year of existance, and have won some big games (despite the losing season). I personally think Coach Dickman is the COY front runner.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 07, 2007, 08:11:18 PM
Mary Washington was easily the favorite going into this year.  They were my preseason #1, no question.  They returned virtually everybody and they played well during the second half of last year.  They should win the CAC.

I didn't think Hood would be THAT bad this year.  Sure, I agree that its a stretch to think of them as the top team in the conference, but they were actually pretty decent LAST year also, and they didn't graduate anybody.  I thought they'd be somewhere in the 3-6 range.  They may still end up there.  I remember they played York very tough at the end of the year.  They beat a few CAC teams, if memory serves--I think they even beat Salisbury.  So I never would have thought they'd be at the bottom of the league.   I think York has done a little better than I thought they would--I'm watching them very closely at this point.

Lets see how things finish with Hood.  I'm basically at a point as far as COY where I wouldn't argue if  whoever wins the conference wins the award.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 07, 2007, 08:55:46 PM
Matt - that's like saying Phil Jackson should have been Coach of the Year every year the Bulls won the NBA Championship!

I don't agree. If you are expected to be the best... and you are the best... I think it is hard to just hand the award to that person and say congrats.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbsquared on February 07, 2007, 09:11:07 PM
Also, please Coach Wood, recruit a big man or two, would it kill you to do so?
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UMW has at least three guys that are 6' 6" or better on the roster. One of those guys is 6'6" and 270 and he doen't even travel with the squad. The three ball is what is being relied upon to win every game. When that doesn't work there seems to be no other option.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 07, 2007, 09:11:17 PM
Yeah, but the flip side of that is should Phil Jackson NEVER be the Coach of the Year?  Should Joe Torre NEVER be Manager of the Year?

I wouldn't normally say that the league winner should get the award, but this year, with the amount of parity we have, anybody can win the league.  So it comes down to who gets their teams prepared and what steps up during crunch time.

In any case, for now, I'm just throwing that out there--I'm not committed to it.  Depends on what happens.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MuMu on February 08, 2007, 03:31:05 AM
I must say your right  ExMU 14 Hood has slowed down and I have stuck to my guns, but forgett about HOOD. If your any team in the CAC you dont want to see Mu in the first round of the playoffs. They are the hottest team in the League right now. York is always tough because they make sure the game is played at their tempo.

I think this year MU is kinda of competitive.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ex_mu14 on February 08, 2007, 08:23:20 AM
Hopefully, MU can get at least the first round playoff game at home...I dont think you have to win 20 games per season to be considered competitive....I guess it depends on who you ask...
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on February 08, 2007, 09:15:24 AM
UMW's Baker, Bruen Named to CoSIDA Academic All-District Teams
FREDERICKSBURG, VA - University of Mary Washington seniors Justin Baker and Debbie Bruen have been named to the Academic All-District basketball teams, as selected by the College Sports Information Directors of America in the district. Baker was named to the men's first team, and will be eligible for Academic All-America honors, while Bruen was named to the third team.
Baker, who carries a 3.49 overall GPA as a business major, leads UMW in scoring again this season, and recently scored his 1,000th career point. After transferring from the College of William & Mary, Baker has been equally impressive on the floor and in the classroom, leading UMW to a 13-7 record this season.
Bruen, who earned All-America honors on the floor last season, adds academic all-district honors this year. A psychology major, Bruen carries a 3.29 overall GPA. The reigning CAC Player of the Week, Bruen leads UMW in scoring for the fourth consecutive season.
The College Sports Information Directors of America (CoSIDA) selects Academic All-America teams in 12 programs. A first team, second team and third team are selected in both the University (Division I and I-AA) and College (Division II, III and NAIA) Divisions.


BBsquared - they have 2 guys on their roster Whitworth (who is scoring but from the outside) and Oliven (whose seen little action). They both are at 205, 210 lbs (at least listed, at this point in the season, who knows). Not quite bohemoths. And a 6'6" 270 guy? where? I haven't seen them. Unless you're talking about their assistant coach, Hairston, who I believe has already put in a very good 4 years including a NCAA tourney run in '03. Oh, and they're both Sophmores. So I believe my points are valid: no inside game (whitworth from outside, remember???) and they dont stay long. They're sophs not seniors.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 08, 2007, 11:56:36 AM
Live Stats for tonight's YCP/CUA contest at the Grumbacher Center

http://faculty.ycp.edu/~sguise/mbb/xlive.htm
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: hoodfan on February 08, 2007, 01:37:00 PM
It's been an interesting year so far in the league with so many teams getting hot at different times. The parity of the league is impressive, and should make for a very interesting tourney. It will be interesting to observe at the end of the conference season how many regular season sweeps there will be. As a Hood fan I know that they have only swept Gallaudet so far, with 3 teams left that they have beaten once. Hopefully Hood can get back on track and get 2 of their last 3, it's all about momentum and Home court going into the tourney.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MuMu on February 08, 2007, 04:22:17 PM
ExMu14,
Fred Stanback has played very well this year, that was a great snag by Coach Mac. You going to the York game on sat.

Hoodfan to sweep a team is pretty tough. Its just what you stated whos hot and when do they play them.

Matt's posting like norm.. he's backkk, I'm glad you had a kid right around the Mu CUA game.haha I heard it was a great game to be at
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dan Johnson on February 08, 2007, 05:53:18 PM
Kitchenrat...you going to be at the game tonight?  I am getting ready to head down there.  Gotta love living in Pa now!!  You going to change your name now that the kitchen is no more?  Perhaps Grumbacherrat...not the same.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MuMu on February 08, 2007, 08:15:23 PM
York by 6 tonight after ahuge win they might slip at MU.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on February 08, 2007, 08:15:48 PM
YCP,

is the game on 1350 online...I'm trying to see if it comes in all the way from Jersey,

Thanks
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 08, 2007, 08:38:36 PM
35-33 Goucher at the half. Back and forth game so far. Russo hit a big three pointer just before the half for Goucher to take the lead.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on February 08, 2007, 09:09:14 PM
york 46-41 about 12 to go

chad has 19
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on February 08, 2007, 09:16:34 PM
50-50

9 minutes left
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on February 08, 2007, 09:24:42 PM
york falling apart

catholic 55-50

haven't made a shot in 7  minutes
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on February 08, 2007, 09:34:32 PM
62-57 40 seconds

chad took over 28 points

he might have won player of the year tonight
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 08, 2007, 09:36:14 PM
Hood beats Goucher 78-74... remain in 1st place in the CAC.

Hard fought game... Goucher made some critical mistakes in the end and missed some badly needed FT.

Good win by the Blazers ending a three-game slide!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on February 08, 2007, 09:41:38 PM
67-63 york wins

chad should win POY after taking over with about 4 to go

The conference gets tighter
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbsquared on February 08, 2007, 09:44:28 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on February 06, 2007, 09:51:41 PM
So, just to recap---all alone, in FIRST place in the CAC....your Catholic University Cardinals.


Well Matt, CUA's stay at the top was short lived, but that's the CAC. The race is still on for Hood, CUA UMW and York to finish on top. This has been a crazy year.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on February 08, 2007, 09:45:29 PM
Anyone got a score from Gally/MW?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 08, 2007, 09:45:52 PM
Great game.  Good win for York.  That kind of year.

Did they really take it to the bucket that much more than Catholic though?  I'm surprised by the free throw discrepancy, considering the big games by Pat and Wheels.

Looks like both teams played well.  If any game underscores the importance of being home, its this one.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on February 08, 2007, 10:07:41 PM
Mary Wash. beat Gally 73-62. Halftime was in favor of Mary Washington, 39-33.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on February 08, 2007, 10:11:02 PM
If we have a 3-4 way tie for first what is the tie-breakers for home court
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on February 08, 2007, 10:16:09 PM
Nice game by the Eagles, always tough in their but the boys handled it much better than other teams heading into Gally have. We're trying to stay ahead of the game.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 08, 2007, 10:43:09 PM
Great College game from York..

Game Box
http://www.ycp.edu/sports/mens_basketball/2006/YCPMBB23.HTM

I will post details in a little bit after I finish the game stories.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycpfinal4 on February 08, 2007, 11:19:14 PM
Once again I must note:   CHAD McGOWAN IS A MAN CHILD.  The only person who can stop him, is himself.  Chad is very seasoned for a chipper junior.  He was part of the Final Four run, and contributed as well.  I am calling a back to back POY selection for the beastly Chad McGowan.  He will win it this year, and next year en rout to topping off a glorious and successful career.

York will most probably earn atleast one home game for the CAC Tourney.  This will help them pick up a little more speed going down the home stretch of the season.  Zerfing, Yeck, and Man Child McGowan must lead the team, by both example and vocally.

GO YORK!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: hoodfan on February 08, 2007, 11:26:40 PM
Goucher and Hood played a very competitive game tonight, although it was filled with a lot of mistakes from both teams. Goucher missed some critical Free throws down the stretch, and Hood benefited from some T's that Goucher got in the 2nd half that allowed Hood to stay in striking distance. Ryan Junghans returned from a injury and really helped Hood's cause with 31 points. Gouchers Russo and Jones played their last home games tonight and finished with 29 and 21 respectively. Good win for Hood to end a 3 game skid. Hood gets a little break until next Wednesday's game at York. This is probably good for Hood to get back on the winning track, and get some rest before the York game.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on February 08, 2007, 11:56:00 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on February 08, 2007, 09:45:52 PM
If any game underscores the importance of being home, its this one.

Or that game in DC where CUA took York Down.


Dan, I had to miss the game tonight, I was on the clock. I did get to listen to Darrel and Coach Z on the radio as I drove back into York.

Boy a win over St. Mary's sure would have looked a lot better right now. But, we will take the regular season split with Catholic and set our sights on the last two games. It's anyones title!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on February 08, 2007, 11:56:48 PM
Oh, and I don't think I'll be changing my name. The Kitchen lives on in the minds of all us old guys.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: formerDIfan on February 09, 2007, 12:36:06 AM
I have always been a loyal DI guy and never paid much attention to DIII until a couple of years ago. Since then it has just snowballed. People don't realize what great entertainment DIII and particular the CAC is, especially this year....and its cheap! It's great to see so many people take an interest by posting on this board. I look forward continuing to watch the action and posting well into the tourney......

but for my first post I must say something worth mentioning. I looked at the box score and saw a couple of technicals called throughout the league. In particular 2 against Goucher. In a four point game that's tough....what happened there?

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 09, 2007, 12:37:27 AM
First, what a great college basketball game in York.

The key to the Spartan win was when York went without a field goal for over nine and a half minutes, Catholic wasn't able to put York away. The Spartans led 49-41 with 12:01 left. The Spartans next field goal came when Brad Zerfing drilled a huge three with 2:46 left. Catholic did outscore York 16-3 during the drought but the Spartan defense buckled down and didn't allow the Cardinals to run away and hide.

Catholic is a very good team and showed why they are still one of the teams to beat. I have listened to Matt talk about their young talent but tonight the four senior starters were outstanding and Olivero was the only underclassmen who did anything. He hit a pair of cold-blooded threes in the final minute that kept the contest in doubt until Zerfing hit a free throw with two seconds left. I will be very interested to see how Catholic fares without any of Lonergan's players. Matt, before you jump on me for this, I have seen you team play just one time and tonight, they got nothing (0 points) from the bench. I am sure there are good players on that bench but tonight was not a night where they played very much. I guess we will find out the answer to that question next year.

I know that everyone is getting to the point of talking about player of the year. It's great and certainly I would be very happy if Chad got it. That being said, his progression as a player has been a joy to watch. He took the game over after the Zerfing three and scored seven points in a little over a minute and a half stretch that turned a two-point Spartan deficit into a five point lead. He has continued to grow as a player and continued time after time this year to make big plays for York. His value to the Spartans can not be overstated. Obviously, I am biased and think he should win but stranger things have happend in this league.

As for Catholic, I think Dwyer is one of the more underrated players in the league. I think he is Catholic's best player with Wheeler a close second. They are so athletic and strong that it is very hard to match up with them. Dwyer is a good passer from the high post and Wheeler is one of those rare players that truly does what he is good at without trying to do things he can't. We left him wide open on the perimeter but he didn't fall into the trap of wanting to shoot it. He reversed the ball and dove to the post to receive an entry pass. Fumai is also a good player but he had to really work for his points tonight (6-for-18) and Nate Lankford and Brad Zerfing made him work for everything.

As for the foul shooting discrepency, Matt, it really could have been much worse for you guys. Wheeler and Dwyer are very physical and the number of illegal screens (not called) tonight was staggering. If if was called tighter, the disparity would have been much more pronounced. An eight free throw margin isn't that much and five of those free throws came in the final minute and a half. Overall, the officiating was pretty consistent and equitable. (and yes, I would still feel that way even if we lost).

Another huge aspect of tonight's game was York's work on the glass. They out-rebounded the bigger Catholic squad 45-39 including 21-18 in the second half. At first glance, Pat Kelley's offensive stats don't stand out but his seven boards and work on Dwyer were huge for York.

Anyway, it doesn't get any easier for the team that hasn't had their bye yet as they head to Marymount on Saturday. I really hope the conference can eliminate the three-game weeks late in the season. The student-athletes are run down and more prone to injury when you are playing three games in the span of five days (or four in eight). I understand the need to have two three game weeks since we decided to add the ninth team but there has to be a better way to do it. Just another reason to have just eight teams instead of nine.

I have a feeling the Spartans and Cardinals could be meeting again down the road.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 09, 2007, 12:38:10 AM
Quote from: formerDIfan on February 09, 2007, 12:36:06 AM
I have always been a loyal DI guy and never paid much attention to DIII until a couple of years ago. Since then it has just snowballed. People don't realize what great entertainment DIII and particular the CAC is, especially this year....and its cheap! It's great to see so many people take an interest by posting on this board. I look forward continuing to watch the action and posting well into the tourney......

Welcome aboard -- good to see someone come over from the dark side. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CACsportsnut on February 09, 2007, 01:47:53 AM
What a game in the Grumbacher tonight

First I want to say that it was my first time ever there, and WOW! what a facility York has at there disposal. Very impressed. Fans were great, was a good bit of Catholic fans there also, just a game that you want to see if your a college basketball fan.

What I noticed:

McGowan solidified his spot as the CAC Player of the Year as he literally grabbed his other teammates and coaches, hitched them to his back, and carried them to the finish line. What a game by this young man. Secondly, Brad Zerfing should be looked at for a All-CAC team. He gave Fumai fits (Along with Nate Lankford) but he also nailed the biggest shot of the game in that three-pointer "ycp" was talking about. He then nailed 3 gritty foul shots to seal the game. This kid is extremely underrated. Thirdly, York has evolved into this team that seems to have more grit and grind then any other team in the CAC. Two games ago, McGowan goes down early in the second half and is gone for the game, and they make a big run to come from behind and defeat Mary Washington at home. That is impressive. Then tonight they lose senior PG Joe Yeck for the whole second half due to injury I guess ??? And come from behind again and win another big game. Nick Brady did a good job of stepping in for the starting role in the second half and taking Yeck's place ( ycp, did you see his one pass in the first half to McGowan?? You have to be licking your lips with having him for another 3 years) Fourthly York plays three freshman, one being Brady, Jeremy Keefer another and I do not know the name of the other... they could be good for years to come with those 3 young'ins, Pat Kelley coming back, Lankford coming back and of course Chad.

For Catholic I think Wheeler solidified himself as an All-CAC pick. He was incredible inside, he has transformed and improved immensly in every game that goes by. Dwyer Has solidfied himself as the catalyst and most important player for Catholic. As he goes, Catholic goes, when he woke up, Catholic went on a tear. Thirdly, Catholic needs to find a spark plug off of the bench...0 points from your bench? OUCH!! Fourthly, did we maybe overate Fumai a little bit earlier in the year, he is not as consistant anymore.

I have a feeling these two might meet again, and the outcome of the game...might depend on where it is played...or it could depend on the stars for each team, the bench for each them, and the momentum and grit of each team...either way, what a third game it would be.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MuMu on February 09, 2007, 07:18:23 AM
York fnas relax a bit with the POY, you also have Baker at MWash did you se his GPA! Thee kid seems polished on and of the court
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 09, 2007, 07:52:09 AM
Well the interesting thing is that the bench only took two shots!

Just from looking at the boxscore (you all know I wasn't there), I would guess that the real key for Catholic was not getting anything from their guards.   Looks like Waslienko struggled.  He's developed a nice jump shot that he has a habit of hitting in big spot.  Obviously not last night!

The other thing was 3's!!!! Nobody has mentioned it, but you can't go 3-19 and win the game.  I didn't realize until I looked this morning it was that bad.  So if you don't shoot 3's, you don't get to the line (for whatever reason), and you get outrebounded, well, you are fortunate to have a chance to win in the last minute, aren't you?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on February 09, 2007, 08:20:31 AM
The University of Mary Washington men's basketball team shot 59.6% from the floor, and junior Jon Pierce scored a game-high 21 points to lead the Eagles to a 73-62 win over Gallaudet University on Thursday in Washington, DC. The Eagles improve to 14-7 overall and 8-5 in CAC play, and remain one game back in the loss column in the league standings.
The Eagles led, 39-33, at halftime, but Gallaudet started the half with a 10-2 run to take a 43-41 lead in the opening three minutes of the second half. Matt Hale's three pointer regained the lead for UMW, and although the Bison would tie the score three times, and led 55-52 with 7:10 remaining, but the Eagles would respond with a final run to take the eleven point win. Pierce hit a three with 6:46 left to give UMW the lead for good, and Lee scored five points and Baker six in the capping run.
Lee scored 11 points and added 10 rebounds and six assists. Baker added 15 points, going 7-7 from the floor, and adding six rebounds for UMW. The Eagles will host Goucher College at 2 pm on Saturday in another key CAC game.


Wow- some nice stats from Lee and Baker going 7-7 from the floor. Niiiiiiccee.

Let's make it 3 in a row with a win over GOU at goolrick this saturday.
As for who was projected to win the CAC pre-season: I though it was a toss up with my bias landing with MW winning the title. However, YCP  and CUA were just as easily a top pic as well. No one thought Hood would do this. And echoing other's sentiments, without McGowan, YCP would be struggling. That being said:

COY: Dickman, HOOD
POY: McGowan, YCP

As the season is nearing the end, these teams and players have really firmed their grasp on these awards.

Dweyer has always been good and we knew he'd be good for all four years. It took Wheeler more time to develop. Fumai has seemed to drop off as of late.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on February 09, 2007, 08:33:26 AM
Quote from: MuMu on February 09, 2007, 07:18:23 AM
York fnas relax a bit with the POY, you also have Baker at MWash did you se his GPA! Thee kid seems polished on and of the court

Oh GPA is factored in? Then we better go back and give the last 4 to Brandon Bushey who's working his way to being Dr. Bushey.

POY should be all about what you do on the court. It's not the Baseball Hall of Fame where they take character in to account.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 09, 2007, 09:02:34 AM
Quote from: bbsquared on February 08, 2007, 09:44:28 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on February 06, 2007, 09:51:41 PM
So, just to recap---all alone, in FIRST place in the CAC....your Catholic University Cardinals.
Well Matt, CUA's stay at the top was short lived, but that's the CAC. The race is still on for Hood, CUA UMW and York to finish on top. This has been a crazy year.
Despite Matt's wishful thinking and creative definition of a tie (:)), CUA was NEVER in first place. They were a 1/2 game back going into last night's games. They are now a 1 1/2 games back in a tie for third with UMW.

Quote from: formerDIfan on February 09, 2007, 12:36:06 AM
but for my first post I must say something worth mentioning. I looked at the box score and saw a couple of technicals called throughout the league. In particular 2 against Goucher. In a four point game that’s tough….what happened there?
One of the techs was for too many players on the court. Goucher tried to sub before a free-throw attempt... and one of the players on the court decided at the last minute he wasn't the player being subbed for. And just before he tried to step off the court, the ref caught him.
The second was against Coach Trevino. One of the refs we had last night is hands down the worst in the region. The problem, Goucher has had him at least four times this season and he is infamous for changing calls, making calls from 40 feet away, seeing a different game then every other person in the building, and for always saying he either didn't see something or missed the call (he needs to learn to shut up). So... it started working under both Trevino's and Dickman's skin... Leonard just happened to be the one to say too much (I guess). However, the ref in question did not T him up... he was pretty much the reason for some of the frustrations.

Another quick note on this ref... every game I have seen him work at Goucher this season, he has been the head ref on the crew... which is really too bad. This is the same guy who was going to call Gallaudet for a T for too many men on the court... but then changed his mind after ten minutes. He is horrible and really takes away from the games and the players. I honestly believe he needs to be removed!

It's really too bad, because the other two refs last night are 10-times better than this guy and they were just the crew... under this other refs "leadership". I think the other two got stuck in a game where they were trying to ref it fair and square, but had another guy pulling them into a ticky-tack called game.

As for the poster that asked about the tie-breaker... as we do every year... here is a quick description of what happens:
In the event of a tie, no matter the teams, the first criteria is head-to-head match-up.

If a tie still remains, then the results compared to rest of the conference are compared. This starts AT THE TOP of the conference. So, in the event of a tie on top, and since head-to-head is already used, this would skip to the third, fourth, or fifth placed team... and work it's way DOWN the rankings until the tie-breaker is broken.

If a tie STILL remains... I believe it then goes to a coin-flip (the old number-drawn tie-breaker was done away with years ago).

It is WAY to early to even start guessing how a tie-breaker would be worked out with UMW, CUA, YCP, and Hood because these teams haven't even finished facing each other twice.

Hope that helps!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 09, 2007, 09:46:36 AM
Dave--right---I believe i acknowledged that I had erred as soon as it was pointed out.  I just simply didn't do the math on the winning percentage.

Catholic's got three games left--we'll see how they all end up.  They've got Salisbury at home, Gallaudet on the road, and Mary Washington at home.  Three very tough games.  CUA beat Salisbury on the road, but they are a good team and everybody knows what they can do when they want to.  Gallaudet was a House of Horrors last year for Catholic.  I'm praying for a decent crew--out of any game this season and last season, that's the only one I think the officiating directly changed the result on.  Water under the bridge now.  Perhaps the only thing that might help Catholic going in is that they already lost to the Bison.  (Statistically speaking, according to Massey, the biggest upset in all of college basketball this year).  I think the guys might have a little extra motivation.

And then, of course, Mary Wash next weekend.  A lot could be on the line with that game in terms of seeding.  There's even an outside chance, I believe, that they game could be for the top seed.  That should be a great atmosphere. 

I'm hoping Little Patrick is ready for some outings.  If we get the go ahead from the doctor today, we may try to venture out to DuFour tomorrow.  God knows the little guy seems pretty bored around here.  Too bored to sleep, anyway.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 09, 2007, 10:00:50 AM
Matt,

It seemed like a large percentage of Catholic's threes came late in the shot clock and usually on the move. I don't think Fumai had more than two of his six three attempts where he had a really clean look at it. I would guess that at least four of his attempts were on the move, coming off a screen or having to relocate after a pass. I thought Brad Zerfing and Nate Lankford really made him work all night long.

As I was thinking on the way home, I was surprised that the Catholic guards didn't attack the basket more. Maybe because you have two really good post players, they haven't been doing that this year. As I said before, this is the only time I have seen you guys play this year. Wasilenko had some good looks and did nail a three when the Spartans collapsed on Wheeler in the first half. Dwyer's two shots from threes were good, open shots that just didn't fall. Fazzini had a really good look to tie the game but just couldn't hit it. That's really hard to come of the bench for defensive purposes (I would guess since he subbed in when we had the ball) and then get a chance to tie the game after sitting for most of the game.  Other than Wheeler and Dwyer, there were not too many chances in the lane for CUA. I don't think Fumai had more than two or three shots inside the paint which surprised me a little.

Well, there is some great games left on the schedule so let's buckle up for a wild finish.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on February 09, 2007, 11:45:41 AM
can someone explain a tie breaker for home court with a 3 way tie or a possible 4 or 5 team tie you never know this year in CAC's.  You gotta think the Hood vs York game next week could be for home court, if York takes care of business on Saturday which is no easy task. 

Good Luck to all down the strecth
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: hoodfan on February 09, 2007, 01:18:11 PM
former D1fan, I started watching d3 basketball when Coach Dickman started coaching at Hood 4 seasons ago, and I can't tell you how much I've enjoyed watching this level of basketball. To me it seems that the players are more in tune to the fundamentals of the game, and I also think the coaching at this level is very solid. I am a Hood fan, but I enjoy watching a lot of the teams that they play against as well. Last season I went to the D3 final four in Salem Va, and I saw some of the best played basketball I've ever seen in my life. Four games (they still play the consolation game at the d3 level) the biggest margin of victory in any game was 4 points. What a great weekend!
Those T's in the Hood-Goucher game were huge, Goucher was leading by 7-9 points and they enabled Hood to cut into the lead and keep the game close at the time.
As far as officiating goes, I'll reference back to an interview I read with  Kevin McHale a few years back. He stated that he thought 3 man officiating was ruining the NBA. In watching a lot of the Hood games this year I am starting to agree that 3 man officiating is overrated. To me you see a lot more ticky tack calls being made that could be let go because there's no clear advantage or disadvantage. Officials proclaim that 3man gives you better coverage of the floor which I don't dispute, I just don't agree that you have to call so much when it has no bearing on the play.
Also I've noticed that there are a lot of calls that get made from far away when another official is standing closer to the play. I don't think any schools in the CAC teams have a home court advantage because of the officials, I would just like to see the players get the opportunity to play a little more, and not see so many games turned into Free throw shooting contests.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 09, 2007, 01:47:35 PM
Quote from: Salem, VA on February 09, 2007, 11:45:41 AM
can someone explain a tie breaker for home court with a 3 way tie or a possible 4 or 5 team tie
Salem - going to reinsert my comments on this... someone (and I will try later) is going to have to break this down... but with over a week left of basketball there are SO MANY variables... this could be impossible to try and cover them all.

Quote from: Dave "d-mac" McHugh on February 09, 2007, 09:02:34 AM
As for the poster that asked about the tie-breaker... as we do every year... here is a quick description of what happens:
In the event of a tie, no matter the teams, the first criteria is head-to-head match-up.

If a tie still remains, then the results compared to rest of the conference are compared. This starts AT THE TOP of the conference. So, in the event of a tie on top, and since head-to-head is already used, this would skip to the third, fourth, or fifth placed team... and work it's way DOWN the rankings until the tie-breaker is broken.

If a tie STILL remains... I believe it then goes to a coin-flip (the old number-drawn tie-breaker was done away with years ago).

It is WAY to early to even start guessing how a tie-breaker would be worked out with UMW, CUA, YCP, and Hood because these teams haven't even finished facing each other twice.

And Matt... I wasn't making my comments to you... but to the poster who quoted you and apparently thought himself that CUA was in first. Don't worry, I know you apologized... thus my ":)".
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbsquared on February 09, 2007, 05:08:20 PM
I was quite aware of the standings, so sorry for poking fun at one of our posters. Thank you for keeping us all straight.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: formerDIfan on February 09, 2007, 06:20:55 PM
I didn't have anything better finishing up at work so I thought I would list the starting position players for each team and ask the board to rank them.  There may be an argument for different positions but they should be just about right. I tried to pick the six man by minutes and who seems to be the most valuable when I have seen them.

Point Guard   shooting guard   small forward
Smelkinson SMC    Lesense- SMC    Valdez- SMC
Wasalinko- CUA    Olivero- CUA    Fumai- CUA
Mowl- Gally    White- Gally    Farias- Gally
Stanford- GOU    Russo- GOU    Brown- GOU
Majors- MMT    Diamond- MMT    Parker- MMT
Yeck- YCP    Zerfing- YCP    Lankford- YCP
Fitzgerald- UMW    Lee- UMW    Baker- UMW
Jones- Hood    Junghans- Hood    Abercrombie- Hood
Edmunds- SAL    Williams- SAL    Odumero- SAL
      
power forward   center                       6th man    Coach
Wise- SMC    Irmir- SMC    Engelstad- SMC   Harney
Dwyer- CUA    Wheeler- CUA    Papageorge- CUA   Howes
Jackson- Gally    Babatunde- Gally    Valencia- Gally   Destefano
Robine- GOU    Merritt- GOU    Ian Brown-GOU   Trevino
Stanback- MMT    Gray- MMT    Gray- MMT   McClary
Kelly- YCP    McGowan- YCP    Brady- YCP   Gambler
Pierce- UMW    Whitworth- UMW    Hale- UMW   Wood
Robine- Hood    Gutekunst- Hood    Anthony Bennett   Dickman
Gerald- SAL    Menekaya- SAL    Ward- SAL   Holmes
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: formerDIfan on February 09, 2007, 06:24:30 PM
This may be a better format to read.


shooting guard      power forward      
Lesense- SMC       Wise- SMC      
Olivero- CUA       Dwyer- CUA      
White- Gally       Jackson- Gally      
Russo- GOU       Robine- GOU      
Diamond- MMT       Stanback- MMT      
Zerfing- YCP       Kelly- YCP      
Lee- UMW       Pierce- UMW      
Junghans- Hood       Robine- Hood      
Williams- SAL       Gerald- SAL      
            
small forward      center       
Valdez- SMC      Irmir- SMC      
Fumai- CUA       Wheeler- CUA      
Farias- Gally       Babatunde- Gally      
Brown- GOU       Merritt- GOU      
Parker- MMT       Gray- MMT      
Lankford- YCP       McGowan- YCP      
Baker- UMW       Whitworth- UMW      
Abercrombie- Hood       Gutekunst- Hood      
Odumero- SAL       Menekaya- SAL      


Coach      center       6th man
Harney      Irmir- SMC       Engelstad- SMC
Howes       Wheeler- CUA       Papageorge- CUA
Destefano    Babatunde- Gally       Valencia- Gally
Trevino       Merritt- GOU       Ian Brown-GOU
McClary       Gray- MMT       Gray- MMT
Gambler       McGowan- YCP       Brady- YCP
Wood       Whitworth- UMW       Hale- UMW
Dickman       Gutekunst- Hood       Anthony Bennett
Holmes       Menekaya- SAL       Ward- SAL
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MuMu on February 09, 2007, 08:13:08 PM
bbsquared,
You can't do that, hey will pick on you a bit untill you get some post be aware.

After York's big win, I see MU by 4 tomm.
Coach Mac wins with class up 24 on hood with 3 mins left and empty his bench.

Like it or not Mu is hot right now Ladiesssss
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CACsportsnut on February 09, 2007, 08:33:36 PM
PG - Mowl, Fitzgerald, Smelkinson, Yeck, Jones, Majors, Edmunds, Wasalinko, Stanford

SG - Junghans, Lee, Lesense, Zerfing, Williams, Russo, Diamond, White, Olivero

SF - Baker, Fumai, Lankford, Odemeru, Valdez, Abercrombie, Brown, Parker, Farias

PF- Dwyer, Stanbeck, Jones(Goucher..how did you leave ihm out?), Kelley, Pierce, Wise, Gerald, Robine, Jackson

C- McGowan, Gutekunst, Gray, Wheeler, Irmer, Menekaya, Whitworth, Merritt, Babatunde

Coach - Dickman, DeStefano, Gamber, Howes, Harney, Holmes, Wood, Trevino, McClary

6th Man - Brady, Hale, Valencia, Papageorge, Engelstad, Ward, Brown, Gray, Bennett

*SG is a stacked group, and the C spot is a toughy also*
*PF relatively weak, and 6th man top 3 are heads and shoulders above rest*
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cuabigdog on February 09, 2007, 09:00:55 PM
it seems to me that everyone is talking about where the teams are in the standings .. true that it's nice to be on top as for the home game situation.. but this is a year that any team can beat any team on any given night.. if you all remmeber correctly in 2001 CUA was the underdog in every single NCAA game and had NO home games at all and went out and won it all .. granted they don't have the same talent as then ..they still have the talent  to win the CAC's if they  concentrate and play with heart and determination they know they have ..
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 09, 2007, 09:27:47 PM
Well, not only that--that Catholic team was one Will Morley tip away from NOT EVEN MAKING the NCAA Tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: formerDIfan on February 09, 2007, 11:14:47 PM
My fault on Goucher leaving out Jones, that is who was suppose to be there but I made a mistake and put Robine in there twice.


Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: formerDIfan on February 09, 2007, 11:17:42 PM
and mazuchi should be there instead of gray for marymount for the 6th man
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 10, 2007, 01:34:22 AM
Quote from: cuabigdog on February 09, 2007, 09:00:55 PM
if you all remmeber correctly in 2001 CUA was the underdog in every single NCAA game and had NO home games at all and went out and won it all

I remember correctly that Catholic not only had a first-round home game but a home game against possibly the weakest team in the field: CCNY.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MuMu on February 10, 2007, 10:37:50 AM
FormerD1,
You cant leave out Jones hes a beast.


Had a deam about the York MU game some one wins in OT Not sure who. This should be a fun one
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on February 10, 2007, 12:11:02 PM
Eagles hope to make it three in a row heading into the final week of reg. season play. GOU is always tough but I believe the Eagles can find their stride late in the season. Interesting that they did so well on the road earlier in the year and have struggled late in the year at home. Hopefully, it will prepare them for late seasons games on the road i.e. CUA next Sat. In the tourney they'll play a number of games away, depending on who wins this next week.

As for league rankings; nice to see at leats CACnut rank fitx, lee, and baker so highly. whitworth is towards the lower end of the C's and Pierce should be ranked much higher just because he is a vocal leader and has wona  few games for them this year. As for Wood, we all know non-UMW fans opinions of him, so I wont go there!

Good luck today boys!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on February 10, 2007, 12:25:58 PM
Quote from: MuMu on February 10, 2007, 10:37:50 AM
Had a deam about the York MU game some one wins in OT Not sure who. This should be a fun one

Deaming about the games? I think there must be some D3Hoops award you qualify for.  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 10, 2007, 02:11:33 PM
Well unfortunately my wife is not feeling well so i won't be able to go to the game today.   I hope the Cardinals play well, stay in their game and rebound!

This would be a big W.  I'll be watching from home.

One thing I have to say on those rankings is that Waslienko is way too low.  He's a really nice player, his numbers don't jump out at you and he's a little inconsistent but he's become much smarter with the ball and sets up his teammates very well--Wheeler/Dwyer don't get all those points without Mike being unselfish and setting them up.  He's also shooting much better from 3 this year and can kill you if you leave him open.  His jump shot is much better than it was.  He's your typical hard nosed senior, who is important for a good team, so he deserves more recognition than that.

On the SG, I can't see putting Russo behind Zerfing at the least--you have to remember that Goucher has nothing besides Jones so Russo is basically the only threat to shoot the ball--defenses key in on him but for the most part he still gets his points.





Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MuMu on February 10, 2007, 03:12:38 PM
baldeagles,
CAC Championship would be nice.haha
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 10, 2007, 03:17:00 PM
By the way... speaking of Russo... something I had completely missed all season, but worth mentioning.

Both Jones and Russo achieved 1,000 career points this season. I know CUA has Dwyer and I think Fumai is close.

But... here is the interesting side of Jones and Russo. The two of them both hit the 1,000 point mark after playing only three seasons with the Gophers.

(Maybe another reason to put Russo ahead of Zerfing, which I completely agree with.)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on February 10, 2007, 03:40:58 PM
Same with Justin Baker, he hit 1,000 points this year after only 3 years, coulda used him all four though.....

Scores?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 10, 2007, 04:07:42 PM
Scott Fumai has already passed 1,000 points.  He, too, did it in 3 seasons as he did not play his freshman year.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on February 10, 2007, 04:11:24 PM
so we have anumber of players who only see action for 3 years and pass the 1000 point mark. is it a sign of depth or a sign of d3 hoopsters developing later?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 10, 2007, 04:20:47 PM
11:11 left in the first

Marymount 16-York 12

The Spartans are off to a slow start. Maybe the four games in eight days has something to do with it.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 10, 2007, 04:27:13 PM
No offense, YCP, but I have to root for the Saints in this one!

CUA game starting late thanks to a ladies OT thriller (won by Salisbury--it ain't the Lady Cardinals year).

Game audio is available on the CUA Athletics website through WCUA.  Actually a pretty decent game broadcast too.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 10, 2007, 04:31:05 PM
no offense taken :)

With about six minutes left in the first,

Marymount 28-York 26

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 10, 2007, 04:37:59 PM
Halftime from the Verizon

Marymount 41-York 40

Chad McGowan gets a three point play with 0.2 seconds left in half.

It sounds like the Saints are shooting the ball well but it is hard to tell without the stats
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MuMu on February 10, 2007, 04:40:42 PM
YCP,
Or coming off a huge win against catholic!
Thanks for the score update.
Hows the crowd?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 10, 2007, 04:40:46 PM
Salisbury has jumped out to a 19-9 lead with about 12:00 minutes left.

Seagulls are on fire, particulary from 3...3-4.  Plus they're running up and down the court.

And, of course, Catholic is cold.  Nothing is falling.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on February 10, 2007, 04:42:48 PM
Clint, bbaldeagle, anybody got a score from the GOU/MW game?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 10, 2007, 04:46:22 PM
Catholic on a big run, now up 20-19.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 10, 2007, 04:57:54 PM
MuMu,

I am at home listening to the game on the radio. The guys on the radio said there was a decent crowd.
I think our guys are physically tired. After Hood gets their bye today, we will be the last team to get a bye which comes next Saturday. We are playing our fourth game in eight days with three of the four coming on the road at Mary Washington, at St. Mary's and at Marymount with Catholic at home. Not exactly an easy trip.

I have a feeling today's game will go down to the wire.

With 17:00 left in regulation
York 45- Marymount 43
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 10, 2007, 05:04:25 PM
12:50 left

York 59-Marymount 58

Stanbeck just hit his fifth three of the game for MU
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 10, 2007, 05:08:17 PM
Catholic 36, Salisbury 29 at halftime.

Dwyer hit a 3 at the buzzer for the Cardinals.

Wheeler is leading the way for Catholic with 15 points and 6 rebounds.  Dwyer is also having a good game with 9 points and 7 boards.

For Salisbury, Ray Williams is 0-8.  Odemeru has 11 for the Gulls.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 10, 2007, 05:12:20 PM
With 9:10 left

YCP 64- MU 62
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 10, 2007, 05:17:20 PM
With 6:51 left

YCP 69-MU 64
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 10, 2007, 05:24:12 PM
With 4:14 left

YCP 75-MU 70
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 10, 2007, 05:28:47 PM
With 2:20 to play

YCP 81-MU 71
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 10, 2007, 05:31:19 PM
41-41 Catholic/Salisbury, 15:00
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MuMu on February 10, 2007, 05:31:42 PM
YCP,
Where we at big guy?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 10, 2007, 05:33:19 PM
With 1:03 left

YCP 83-MU 74
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 10, 2007, 05:37:25 PM
With 41.5 left

York 87-Marymount 78
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 10, 2007, 05:39:23 PM
Ouch--Big call just went against Catholic--foul, plus a technical on freshman Center Ryan Jones.  Salisbury now up 3, plus the ball.

Potential 6 point swing here. 

Sounded like a chickensh%& call too.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 10, 2007, 05:41:34 PM
Final from Marymount

York 94-Marymount 82


HUGE win for the Spartans!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MuMu on February 10, 2007, 05:44:25 PM
York and that 90+ game. That's how they alays play against us. What did Player of the year nd up with.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 10, 2007, 05:44:30 PM
Salisbury 51, Catholic 50, 8:42 left in Washington.

Almost all the CUA offense is coming from Wheeler and Dwyer--20 points for Stephen, 18 for Pat.  
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 10, 2007, 05:49:56 PM
I believe Chad ended up with 26 but I haven't gotten the box yet.

York shot the ball well in the second half.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 10, 2007, 05:53:01 PM
Unofficial from our radio guys

Chad finished with 27 points, 19 in the second half
Brad Zerfing added 16 points
Nate Lankford 11 points
Nick Brady 14 points

They didn't wrap the Marymount guys (sorry)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MuMu on February 10, 2007, 05:54:48 PM
No wrap needed Mu di dnot get the W.
Thanks
Thats a great win for you guys, Who do you guys have next?

Paddyyyy Leee....HAhA
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 10, 2007, 05:56:20 PM
2:05 left, Catholic up 63-56.  Two HUGE 3's by Wasilenko, then a big posession with a couple of offensive boards for the Cardinals to hold the ball and eventually get a Papageorge bucket.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 10, 2007, 06:02:36 PM
1:07 left, 68-60 Catholic.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 10, 2007, 06:16:03 PM
Catholic 74, Salisbury 72, Final.

Oy. Cardinals decided to join the Bricklayers Union for the final 2:00 and missed most of their free throws. 

In any event, Catholic sweeps Salisbury for the season series and keeps pace with York.  Huge win.

As if to prove my earlier point, Waslienko had 8 assists.  Wheeler led the way with 23 points, 11 rebounds, with Dwyer had 22 points and 12 boards.

Williams had a bad day for Salisbury--6-19 shooting, ended up with 16 points.  Odumeru was 6-18 for 17 points.


Catholic shot 45%, and outrebounded Salisbury 46-39 which is pretty impressive.

So Catholic's 17-5, 9-5, and will face Gallaudet on the road on Wednesday.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: andre james smith on February 10, 2007, 06:22:28 PM
No box score yet, but the UMW website is has UMW beating Goucher 100-59 today at Goolrick... ouch
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ex_mu14 on February 10, 2007, 06:55:58 PM
The MU and York game was close until the end when MU had to foul....#31 for York had a good game but he had problems stopping Gray in the post. Everytime Gray touch the ball in the post he was scoring. He finished with 19 and 7. In the second half MU went away from the inside game. MU had Stanback and Majors guarding #31 for York. That was a huge mismatch...I thought Gray should have been on #31...

MU defense in the 2nd half cost them game.  York scored 54 points in the second half.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cac on February 10, 2007, 07:06:18 PM
Matt- Why is Catholic out rebounding SU 46-39 impressive? SU only rebounder is 6'3 and he has to work his butt off. Catholic had a huge height
advantage. I wouldn't call it impressive since SU missed a number of shots (30%) the first half.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 10, 2007, 07:15:28 PM
Because Ozi Menakaya is the leading rebounder in the league and was held to 7 rebounds.  Salisbury is the #3 rebounding team in the league.   I was told the first time that Catholic beat Salisbury that it really wasn't as impressive because Menakaya didn't play and he could have helped keep the rebounding margin in check.  So today he played and a had a subpar game.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MuMu on February 10, 2007, 07:56:47 PM
EXmu14,
I would look at the bench points.

MU=10
York=32

I think that was what happened?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: andre james smith on February 10, 2007, 07:57:26 PM
Details from FredVegas...
Mary Wash makes a school record 22 3-pointers and an amazing 15 in the first half alone.  13 players scored for the Eagles and 10 players made at least one shot from distance.  Justin Baker showed why he is a premier player in this league with a triple double, 13 pts, 11 rebounds, and 10 assists.  A nice balanced attack for the Eagles who looks like have gotten back on track with 3 wins in a row after a rough middle of the season.  
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dan Johnson on February 10, 2007, 11:48:15 PM
OK smart people, Hood at York on Wednesday.  How does the tie-breaker work out if York wins and the Hood wins their final game?  Both would be 11-5...I know it is explained every year but I can't keep dibs.  And then throw Catholic and Mary Washington in the loop.  Either one of them can finish 11-5 also, but not both since they close out the regular season against each other.  Wow, what an exciting end of the season!!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 11, 2007, 12:27:31 AM
Is no one reading the posts I have already put up on the tie-breaker?????
Here it is again:
Quote from: Dave "d-mac" McHugh on February 09, 2007, 09:02:34 AM
In the event of a tie, no matter the teams, the first criteria is head-to-head match-up.

If a tie still remains, then the results compared to rest of the conference are compared. This starts AT THE TOP of the conference. So, in the event of a tie on top, and since head-to-head is already used, this would skip to the third, fourth, or fifth placed team... and work it's way DOWN the rankings until the tie-breaker is broken.

If a tie STILL remains... I believe it then goes to a coin-flip (the old number-drawn tie-breaker was done away with years ago).

It is WAY to early to even start guessing how a tie-breaker would be worked out with UMW, CUA, YCP, and Hood because these teams haven't even finished facing each other twice.
So, in case York and Hood are tied for 1st... you first go to the head-to-head matchup... but they split (in your scenario)... so move on to step two.

You start with the #3 team and work your way DOWN the standings. UMW and CUA both split with YCP and Hood... so you would make your way down to MU, SMC, or SAL.

If MU is fifth in the conference, YCP gets #1 seed (YCP swept MU, Hood split).
Both YCP and Hood split with SMC.
And if it got to Salisbury, YCP split the season... so if Hood were to beat SAL on Saturday, they will sweep the Seagulls and have the edge on YCP.

SO... it is a bit too early to see what happens. There are plenty of teams right now tied or could shift positions. However, I believe if YCP beats Hood on Wednesday, they will have the upper hand on the #1 seed.

As for CUA and UMW... same story... too early to say! It is going to come down to where MU, SMC, and SAL fall into place.

UMW is thrown out because both YCP and Hood split with the Eagles.
CUA is also thrown out because bot
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on February 11, 2007, 10:25:48 AM
One of the more interesting sidelights to the UMW game was the addition of Jon Blaine to the team's roster. He played a little and scored once. It seemed to enthuse the rest of the team. He won't be an impact player on the floor but seemed to enkindle enthusiasm from his teammates. This could be the type of intangible that helps the team and its chemistry.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on February 11, 2007, 10:27:01 AM
Won't someone please tell us how Tie-breakers are handled!

Just Kidding D-Mac.

Big win for York last night and another huge game, and last 5 minutes, for Chad. POY Hands down!

I'm pretty stoked to see Hood come to town this week to take on the Sparts. I think a win against Hood would go along way to making those guys believe they can win the whole CAC tourny even thought they have lost 6 of the players who got considerable playing time last year.

Think about that for a second: Bushey, Singer, Fass, Lee, Fry and Howard are gone. That's a starting 5 and a first sub off the bench for almost any team in the CAC.

Obviously, having Chad McGowan as one of the players who is back is a huge part of this teams success. But. Zerfing and Yeck have been just what you want out of Senior leaders and the addition of Lankford, Brady and Kelly to the mix has proved impressive. Brady is a POY waiting to happen at some point, and Lankford is a total glue player, keeping everyone involved and together.

Win or lose vs Hood and no matter what they do in the CAC's this has been a most impressive year for the Spartans.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: andre james smith on February 11, 2007, 12:39:13 PM
This may have already been discussed, but I was wondering what the CAC tourney seeding looks like now that there are nine teams.  I'm assuming an 8-9 play in game to play the 1 seed like the ACC did for years before the recent additions from the Big East......
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 11, 2007, 12:40:39 PM
Actually Andre... since this is the only year that the CAC will have nine teams (unless more changes take place)... #9 simply won't make the tournament this season.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on February 11, 2007, 12:54:15 PM
The Eagles score 100 points for the second time this season in a Barn-burner over Goucher. UMW is the only CAC team to score 100 and has done it twice. This team can score. They broke their school record for 3's with 22, the fourth time this year they've tied or broken the school record. Strong all around game for everyone on the squad. As for player of the year awards go, Baker will get some vote and hopefully can sway voters away from McGowan. While YCP, would be far far worse without McGowan, Baker is a better player. Over the last 9 games he has averages 13.6 ppg, 9.3 rpg, and 5.2 apg. He had a triple double yesterday! He's dominating in so many other ways.

Mike Lee has been the other anchor, averaging 12 ppg, 8.9 rpg, and 2.7 apg over the last 7 games. UMW has won their last three (the current longest streak in the CAC) heading into their rematches with St Mary's and @CUA.
UMW is #1 in Scoring margin, #2 in scording defense, #1 in assist per game, and 2 in Turnover margin. Very good indicater of a team that spreads the ball around, takes care of the ball, and plays great defense. Sound slike championship material. Mike Lee is #1 in the CAC is asst/to ratio, #9 in rebs per game, and #8 in assists. Baker is #6 in rpg, and #2 in the league in apg. These guys drive our team. Looking forward to the games this week. Must wins, esp Saturday at CUA.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on February 11, 2007, 03:53:48 PM
Baker is having an outstanding year, I totally agree but come on...I know I am from York and bias but Chad has taken everyone on his back the last two games and is carrying this team into the 3-peat for regular season championships.  It's not all about numbers but ask Catholic who beat them in the final three minutes on Thursday night.  I did not see SAturday's contest but from the box score it looked like Chad just took over. 

Let's get the three peat York
Beat Hood
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on February 11, 2007, 04:57:10 PM
True, I think McGowan will win. Esp. if they catch Hood and win the reg season. The tourney will be more important. YCP split the season with MW and McGowan wasnt that great against us, which is the only first person knowledge i have of him: Here's the lines from the 2 games i saw him:

15 pts, 12 rebs, 6-11 FG   (loss)
9 pts, 7 rebs, 3-10 (Win)

he didn't have his best games against the Eagles. But, again, I was merely putting out some numbers to back my pint which was that Baker should be getting a decent amount of votes. If Baker was the only returning player from a great team, he'd have alot better numbers.

MW, most likely wont get the number one seed but will end up going on the road against the top seeds in the tourney, most likely York/Cua with a match up aginast Hood in the CAC Finals?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 11, 2007, 05:30:17 PM
D-Mac,

The CAC will have nine men's basketball teams for the forseeable future. Your Gophers and the Cardinals are leaving and being replaced by Villa Julie and Wesley. Unless there are teams added (not likely) or there is a team removed (more likely of the two scenarios) we will have nine teams in men's basketball (and a few other sports).
Certainly not an ideal situation but it is what it is.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 11, 2007, 05:52:55 PM
YCP - thanks... once again my math is not up to its usual stellar best (it really was the only class in high school I could get A's in). But, while the CAC looks like it will be a nine team conference in the foreseeable future... I will once again state (and as YCP aluded to)... I am not going to be surprised if that changes up or down in the off season this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: andre james smith on February 11, 2007, 07:10:45 PM
I personally think that leaving the #9 seed out of the playoffs is a little weak.  I understand that in some big conferences (i.e Big East 16 teams) it is neccessary to trim the number down a little, but part of the luster of college basketball is the postseason where a team with a disappointing regular season can go on a magical run and make it to the Big Dance....
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on February 11, 2007, 07:58:03 PM
do you really think 1-13 Gally is poised to make a big run if it only is let into the post season CAC tournament?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CACsportsnut on February 11, 2007, 09:06:38 PM
well, it all comes down to wednesday, winner of Hood at York takes first round buy and home court advantage if im not mistaken right?

Hood only won by 2 last game, and it was at Hood.

Now it is at York, against a new York team who is lead by McGowan, and accompanied by Zerfing, Brady and Lankford. This is going to be an insane game, i am taking off work the next day so I can take my time driving home.

My pick....York by 11
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 11, 2007, 09:09:36 PM
Quote from: CACsportsnut on February 11, 2007, 09:06:38 PM
well, it all comes down to wednesday, winner of Hood at York takes first round buy and home court advantage if im not mistaken right?

I don't believe there is a first-round bye in an eight-team tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CACsportsnut on February 11, 2007, 09:50:30 PM
your correct, my apologies....wow
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: andre james smith on February 11, 2007, 10:03:44 PM
Do I think Gally will make a run, absolutely not.  That's not the point.  How many people had GMU in the final four last year?  How many people had Syracuse winning the Big East tourney.  The fact of the matter is that the unexpected happens and that is what makes college basketball great.
Now back to the last two games of the season.... I've looked at the possible tiebreakers, and I'm pretty sure that if Mary Wash wins their last two games and York can beat Hood this week, that the Eagles will take the regular season crown based on their season sweep of Catholic..... (that is unless Catholic is somehow passed in the standings from behind)  It's pretty cool that with two games left, any of four teams can still grab the number one seed.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 11, 2007, 10:20:44 PM
Andre - if they would have had a #8/#9 playin game... it would have cause scheduling nightmares.

The #8/#9 game would have to be played on Monday... and with the current schedule, the winner would have then traveled to the #1 team on Tuesday.

IF Gallaudet and Goucher had to go through that... and Gallaudet won and traveled to York or Goucher won and traveled to UMW (worse case scenarios on travel)... I don't think either team would have loved getting home late (or finishing their game late) and then taking off early the next day to do a game somewhere else.

It's a bit nuts for Division III which prides itself in academics and making sure students miss as little time as possible from the classroom.

I also think that by leaving the #9 team out and not planning on changing the tournament schedule right now... leads to the chance that there won't be nine teams in this conference in the near future.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 11, 2007, 10:47:14 PM
Well, I bet, for instance, Gallaudet would prefer that than to not getting to play at ALL. 

I think every team in the conference should get a chance.  This "new" system is rather arbitrary.  Hey, Gallaudet somehow or other beat Catholic this year, didn't it?  Not that I want THAT to happen again, but who is to say it couldn't again?

If they wanted to find a way to make it work, they could.  Why not play the 8/9 game on Sunday?

Sure, those teams would have to play back to back games, but so what?  You're going to have to in the NCAAs anyway. 

Pretty confident, CAC Nut...York by ELEVEN?  Wow. 

Catholic needs to focus and be ready for Gallaudet.  Just like last time, it will be easy to look ahead to the game after, but they CANNOT do that.  They HAVE to beat Gallaudet.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: hoodfan on February 11, 2007, 11:21:38 PM
Should be a great game on Wed. at York, I think it benefited Hood to have some time off before going to York to play. Hopefully the weather will cooperate and the game will be played. I know there's a lot of snow in the forecast. Should be alright for Wed. though. I need some things to work out for me if I want to attend, hopefully they will.
CACsportsnut or YCP, will they have so big a crowd that they would turn people away? This is my first go round in the CAC, and I have no idea what kind of crowd they will have for this game. Don't want to drive that far and get turned away.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CACsportsnut on February 11, 2007, 11:28:07 PM
Um....I cannot say yes, or no. I am not sure how they handle that. But I will say that York gets the largest number of fans at their home games of any team in the CAC, close to 1,000 actually. This game is for first place in the conference, and a new rival who they lost to by 2 points last meeting. Also with players of the year canidates McGowan and Gutekunst, and other great players in Junghans, Zerfing, Robine, Brady, Edmunds...there is another reason in itself. Plus, I hate to say it, but I am sure the York fans are going to be a plentiful and hostile crowd after word spread of how the Hood fans acted towards several York players after the game. Going to be the type of game any college fan LOVES to see. I would call ahead if I were you and ask what the procedure is for the tickets, if you can get there, then do it.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 12, 2007, 12:56:50 AM
Crowd wise, I don't think that is true. CUA actually did a hard count for some of its earlier games this year.  They are selling tickets now so they now how many actually show.   For the CUA-St. Mary's game in November, attendence was 1,877.  The Goucher game the following week was 1259.  That was still early season.

Crowds have been very strong at DuFour all season--stronger than I ever remember.   Believe it or not, more students are showing up now than they did in the Lonergan era.   The gym is deceptive because its so large--its larger than any other gym I've been to in the conference except maybe Gally's. (I have NOT been to York's new gym, Hood and Salisbury).  If you get that thing 2/3rds full, than you have the largest crowd in the conference.  (Gally's is large too but I've never seen it close to full).

Now, that isn't to say York fans will be plentiful and hostile--I know they will be!  But Mary Washington shouldn't expect a walk in a park next weekend at DuFour either!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 12, 2007, 01:23:57 AM
Just because they are selling tickets doesn't mean they used that data in the attendance field, though. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 12, 2007, 09:08:39 AM
I know.  What's up with that?

Their average attendence is like 12 because its being counted as zero for every game but a few!

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 12, 2007, 02:51:57 PM
Yo Pat,
I thought I'd stop by to check out some of the future Landmark posters. I sense a ColonelJohn in the room. Am I'm right? ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 12, 2007, 02:59:51 PM
Quote from: cold_case on February 12, 2007, 02:51:57 PM
Yo Pat,
I thought I'd stop by to check out some of the future Landmark posters. I sense a ColonelJohn in the room. Am I'm right? ;D


Starting a bit early aren't we?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 12, 2007, 07:11:34 PM
If you're posting posing as a CUA person, why are you posting from another CAC school?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on February 13, 2007, 08:31:48 AM
I got MW by 8 tomorrow at home agianst the Seagulls....
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on February 13, 2007, 09:47:55 AM
UMW is not playing the Seagulls tomorrow  ::) 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on February 13, 2007, 09:51:02 AM
Repeat after me - The Sea Gulls are in Salisbury. The Sea Gulls are in Salisbury. The Seahawks arre at St. Mary's. The Seahawks are at St. Mary's.   ;D  :D  ;) 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on February 13, 2007, 01:48:17 PM
Right! :D

Well, whatever birds they are, they dont match up to our Eagles.
As long as Irmer doesn't have any alley-oops this time.
Gotta keep smelkinson in check too, he had a good game at their place the first time we met. Lesesne is going to get points as well.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 13, 2007, 05:12:09 PM
Just throwing this out there... how much will this weather play a factor in games tomorrow.

This storm isn't supposed to leave the Baltimore area until Wednesday afternoon... after dumping lots of ice and icy precip... before then turning back to snow. I would be very surprised if games were actually played - not sure you want busses/vans on the roads.

That means sneaking the games in Thursday and Friday!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MuMu on February 13, 2007, 06:04:25 PM
York by 12 tomm
Mu by 4 over the sea gullssssssss not the seahawks
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on February 14, 2007, 09:01:16 AM
No decision has been made about SMC SeaHAWKS at UMW tonight, since they're only an hour and a half away, probably a decision this afternoon.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cuabigdog on February 14, 2007, 09:07:26 AM
as of this writing, the CUA-Gally game will proceed as scheduled.. women :6pm   men : 20 min following that game
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on February 14, 2007, 10:03:54 AM
SMC at UMW is on as scheduled as well, see you there.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on February 14, 2007, 11:48:42 AM
any word on york...rumor has it the roads are real bad....are they really going to try and play tonight....it would ruin the turnout and senior night
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CACsportsnut on February 14, 2007, 11:51:45 AM
I heard almost  a definate tha they are playing....and it really wouldn't ruin the turn out at all, students haad off from school and day and most likely will tomorrow to...any true fans that want to see a good game will make the treck to the Grumbacher
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on February 14, 2007, 12:02:23 PM
the two fans that im sure york wants there cant be there cause of  travel.  THe crowd has been weak of late and one of my buddies told me that blask and fitz were coming to get the crowd going tonight for the game.  So i highly disagree with you.  Its our home game lets change it to have a better turnout tomorrow.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 14, 2007, 12:32:49 PM
Wednesday's York College - Hood College double header has been postponed until Thursday. Game times remain 6:00 pm for the women and 8:00 pm for the men.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Hatters19 on February 14, 2007, 12:49:35 PM
Mirroring what YCP just posted, I just talked to a York player and he told me the game was postponed as well.  How will this affect the crowd?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CACsportsnut on February 14, 2007, 12:58:29 PM
Ok, I admit it, I was just trying to be optimistic....crowd most likely would of been dead, students would have been a live and kicking though, but regulars wouldn't have even been there.

Game tomorrow at 8 means most likely a pretty large crowd...

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Hatters19 on February 14, 2007, 01:11:43 PM
do you know if fitz and blask will be there tomorrow?  any word on the other CAC games taking place tonight?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on February 14, 2007, 01:17:15 PM
Ok, so here is how the season ends for the CAC:

Hood loses a tough one at YCP and SAL plays spoiler to end the Blazers's season at 10-6 CAC, 18-7. CUA revenges their loss to GAL and in one for thea ges, UMW wins in OT at CUA with a Baker put back to win by one. CUA ends up 10-6 CAC,
YCP, with their win over HOOD, finishes at 11-5 and tied with UMW for the CAC lead after UMW avenges their earlier loss to SMC (after SMC's horrid bus ride ) and the the win at CUA. UMW takes the regular season crown based THEIR SEASON SWEEP OF THE CUA CARDINALS.

POY: McGowan, YCP
COY: Dickman, HOOD
ROY: Hale, UMW
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 14, 2007, 01:53:22 PM
Uhh, right...

I believe overall record has literally nothing to do with who is the top seed in the CAC.  As we've discussed, there is a system of tiebreakers that works all the way down the league from the top. 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on February 14, 2007, 02:07:47 PM
hatters19, it is my belief that blask will be there.  Fitz is still up in there air.  He said he is hoping for a big crowd and lots of energy.  The switch helps them as they would have been unable to come today.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on February 14, 2007, 02:10:04 PM
Another thing.

Could Coach Gamber win coach of the year with a win tonight and two Hood loses.  Just curious to what everyone thought.  4-4 in conference to 7-1.  Pretty good coaching job.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on February 14, 2007, 02:39:03 PM
uuhhhhh, right.....

ok, base it on the aforementioned season outcome and  a season sweep of CUA then, if they end up tied for the lead. Put that in your pipe and smoke it. but not around the baby.



Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cuabigdog on February 14, 2007, 05:01:03 PM
mwgoonie ...

UMW ..so easy to beat
even a caveman could do it

CUA   76
UMW  70
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CACsportsnut on February 14, 2007, 05:34:41 PM
MWgoonie...good thoughts, I didn't even think about MARYwash getting a season sweep on Catholic, and possibily winning out to take the number one spot, great possibilty...also not a great one. Catholic and St. marys in one week...tough to do. Looking forward to seeing how it happens.

P.S. - Hale is a sophomore, you should know that, hes from the school you follow mainly...pick another for ROY, but I do STRONGLY agree with your COY and POY selections.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 14, 2007, 06:20:17 PM
Nice edit!

(It used to read "Based on overall record....)

Here's the problem though--don't you have to work out the tiebreaker between York and CUA if York wins against Hood and CUA loses to UMW?  Then those teams would be tied for second. 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on February 14, 2007, 09:40:56 PM
any scores from tonight?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 14, 2007, 10:10:05 PM
Phew...

Cardinals Too Much for Bison
Stephen Wheeler scores 19 in the win

2/14/2007

WASHINGTON - The Catholic University men's basketball squad (18-5, 10-5 Capital Athletic Conference) avenged an earlier loss Wednesday evening with the 70-52 victory over the Gallaudet Bison (4-20, 1-14 CAC).  Earlier this year the Bison came away from the DuFour Center with their first conference victory but the Cardinals didn't let history repeat itself with the convincing win.

Senior center Stephen Wheeler (Silver Spring, Md./Good Counsel) rattled off five quick points for CUA to start the game but similar to their match-up earlier this season the cross-town rival Bison would not back down.  The Bison used some steady outside shooting to stay in the game including six points from Jon Mowl on two big three's.  With five minutes remaining in the half the teams were tied at 21, however the Cards put together an 11-0 run that gave CUA some breathing room.  The Bison didn't score until just second left in the half and CUA went into the locker room leading 32-24.

Scott Fumai (Rockville, Md./Good Counsel) and Wheeler each had seven points to lead the Cards.  Mike Wasilenko (Washington Township, N.J./Don Bosco Prep) and Patrick Dwyer (Williamsburg, Va./Walsingham Academy) each had five.  Freshman Matt Fazzini (Wayne, Pa./Conestoga) contributed from six points during the run on a pair from beyond the arc.  CUA outrebounded Gallaudet 21-19 and outshot them 40-32 percent.  The Cards had just three turnovers in the half.

The Cards maintained the lead to start the second half as Gallaudet fired from the outside.  With the Bison gaining momentum, Jeff Sparrow (Reading, Pa./Daniel Boone) hit a three at 11:00 to put CUA back up by nine.  With five minutes left the game began to get physical.  As the Cards went to the link Dwyer and Fumai were both able to connect and on the defensive end a strong effort in the post kept the Bison from scoring.  Thanks to the effort the Cardinals managed the 70-52 win.

Wheeler led all scorers with 19 points while Fumai had 17.  Dwyer scored 16 points but also had a team-high nine rebounds.  CUA outrebounded the Bison 36-33 and outshot them 45 percent to 38.  The Cards had a season-low six turnovers for the game.     

Catholic University will conclude the regular season on Saturday with a game against Mary Washington at the DuFour Center.  Tip off is scheduled for 4:00 p.m., prior to the start there will be a short ceremony honoring the 2007 seniors.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on February 14, 2007, 10:43:57 PM
possibly the game of the year

salisbury 126-122 over marymount in 5/ot's
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 14, 2007, 10:58:29 PM
If confirmed, ties Division III record for most OTs in a game.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on February 14, 2007, 11:04:24 PM
Quote from: Salem, VA on February 14, 2007, 10:43:57 PM
possibly the game of the year

salisbury 126-122 over marymount in 5/ot's

Holy Crap! Just once in my life I'd like to see a game like this in person. I've seen a 20 inning baseball game, and a Skins - Giants tie (10-10) but that's got nothing a 5 OT Basketball game!

I wonder if this will make the ESPN ticker?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on February 14, 2007, 11:06:30 PM
I've been racking my brain all night with all things that could happen...
Current standings

Hood 10-4
YCP   10-5
CUA   10-5
MW     9-6
SMC    8-7
SAL     8-7.  
MM     7-8
GOU   4-11
GAL    1-14

To get 1 seed scenrios=
Hood win both its theres.  Really any lose to YCP will prevent them from getting the one with tie-breaks.  The big tie-breaker for Hood would be Marymounth and Salisbury finishing with same record.  If they both finish 8-8, Marymount gains tie-breaker with the sweep

Catholic gets with win in if York beats Hood and Marymounth loses to Gally.  Then Catholic has the sweep over Salisbury.

York gets it with a win Marymount win on saturday.  Also a catholic lose and hood lose on saturday would be easiest format.

It seems like a lot but could be confusing but I think I am dead on.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on February 14, 2007, 11:14:19 PM
might be a misprint on the CAC website...

the boxscore shows marymount won 126-122

Could change everything i just wrote
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 14, 2007, 11:20:40 PM
Salisbury website has Salisbury as the winners.

So who is this "Marymounth" and where do they play?

;D
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on February 14, 2007, 11:21:32 PM
alright relax a little misprint

MARYMOUNT

check the boxscore matt
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 14, 2007, 11:24:11 PM
I am relaxed.  Hence the smiley.

I know, I saw it.  Confusing.

If you add up the points, its looks like Marymount won.  So I guess we go with Marymount as the winners, unless they screwed up the box.

Too bad none of the 255 people who showed up could come on here and tell us.

If Marymount did win the game, and the Salisbury athletics department just screwed up the score, that's really pathetic.  Get the damn score right, its not like it wasn't a memorable game and it was in your own gym.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on February 14, 2007, 11:25:32 PM
Goolrick was unkind to UMW on senior night. No 100 point game tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on February 14, 2007, 11:27:59 PM
IF it is true that Marymount did win that really helps York.  All York has to do is win and Marymount beats Gally.  SHould be easier path
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 14, 2007, 11:28:21 PM
Yeah, well not scoring 100 is the least of your problems when you don't score as many as the other team.

CUA still needs to beat them to be seeded ahead of them, though, because it would be a season sweep for the Eagles if they don't.  So really this game doesn't mean all that much, except that I believe it eliminates UMW from being the top seed (somebody can correct me on that if I'm wrong).  I believe if UMW and CUA split, CUA has the tiebreakers there.

CUA's got season sweeps against Marymount, Salisbury and St. Mary's.  They've split against everybody else, with Mary Wash pending.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on February 14, 2007, 11:29:48 PM
if mary wash wins catholic is the 4 unless hood lose both then its a 3 way tie for 2nd and I am unsure how that goes.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 14, 2007, 11:42:42 PM
Pat,

The Salisbury-Marymount game tonight went 5 overtimes.

Final score:

Marymount (Va.) 126, Salisbury 122

I will send you the game story once I am done.

Link to box score:
http://www.salisbury.edu/athletics/MensBasketball/boxes0607/salmbb24.asp


Sam Atkinson
Salisbury SID
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cugrad on February 14, 2007, 11:50:46 PM
If York, Hood, and Catholic finish in a three-way tie, I believe Catholic wins the top seed. All three will have split with each other and Mary Wash, as well. Catholic swept Marymount, Salisbury, and St. Mary's. I believe that gives them an advantage.  For the same reason, I think Catholic will win a tie with anybody. Of course, for this to happen Hood will have to lose a game and Catholic will have to knock off a very talented Mary Wash team at Dufour. No easy task there!

GO CARDS!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 15, 2007, 12:01:03 AM
Well Catholic has to beat Mary Washington--not only to get ahead of the Eagles, but it would be the key to tiebreakers against Hood and York.  I believe that if CUA does beat UMW, they would then win tiebreakers against everybody else.  York lost to both Salisbury and St. Mary's, Hood lost to St. Mary's and Marymount.   So Catholic wins those tiebreakers.

What they need then is Hood to split.  So, a Catholic win against Mary Wash combined with a Hood loss in either of their next two games gives Catholic the #1 seed.

Bottom line--Catholic has to beat Mary Wash.  If they do, they'll be no worse than the #2 seed and therefore will have at least two home games.

So guys--GET IT DONE.  Protect home court.  Win on senior night.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 15, 2007, 12:31:57 AM
Ok, I don't mean to pick on the good Bison folks, but how stupid is this headline on the Gallaudet website?

"Gallaudet almost completes historic sweep of Catholic University"

Uh, gentleman, the score of the game was 70-52.  That's not almost. 

If that's almost, then Mondale almost beat Reagan in '84....
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ex_mu14 on February 15, 2007, 08:17:20 AM
Mike Gray is making a strong case for 1st team all CAC...40 points and 18 rebounds.....Great win MU! Marymount has a chance to finish up 9-7 and starting off 1-5 in the CAC....
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ex_mu14 on February 15, 2007, 08:25:39 AM
I like MU chances against any team in the first round except for York....It would be nice to get a first round home game at the verizon. Is that possible for MU?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on February 15, 2007, 08:29:03 AM
1. Yes, I keep forgetting Hale is a Soph. I wish he had another year to develop, though.
2. Yes, once's I saw Matt's comment. I had to change my post.
3. that whole post is pointless as MW lost and CUA won. Saturday's game is big though! Alot riding on it for both teams as far as seeding and confidence.
4. I hope UMW doesn't play SMC the seahawks in the tourney... they got the Eagle's number
5. UMW has been too inconsistent all season. Their lack of inside game has been the major factor.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cuabigdog on February 15, 2007, 09:11:25 AM
Congrats to the Cardinals on an outstanding and much needed win last night against  the Bison.. Good luck on Sat vs UMW.. remember play with heart and determination and good things will happen. Low turn overs & made free throws win games.. games are won and lost at the line.. make the last year in the CAC a memorable one ...GO OUT CONF. CHAMPIONS !!!

GO CARDS !!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on February 15, 2007, 09:18:15 AM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on February 14, 2007, 11:28:21 PM
Yeah, well not scoring 100 is the least of your problems when you don't score as many as the other team.


No kidding. You've gotta wonder which is the team's focus though.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on February 15, 2007, 10:35:21 AM
York has the marymount tie-breaker.  Which if they win they will finish ahead of both SMC and Salisbury giving the Spartans the first seed...i believe that is correct...anyway big game tonight go spartans 3-peat
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 15, 2007, 10:52:40 AM
Salem--

If Catholic wins, Catholic holds the tiebreaker against York.  So even if York beats Hood tonight, they need Catholic to lose to be the first seed.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on February 15, 2007, 10:59:21 AM
I disagree explain it too me.  Sorry I just dont see how it is possible if York has the tiebreak over Marymount.  Did Catholic sweep them as well?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on February 15, 2007, 11:02:34 AM
I don't like MW's focus or chances right now. They really needed to prove they could beat SMC but didn't come ready to play. I'm keeping my hopes up and being a Redkins fan, I might have to settle for a season sweep of CUA. As long as we sweep them, its a winning season in my book, just like the Redskins could go 2-14 as long as they beat Dallas.

Oh well.
What does next year hold for MW? No Baker, Lee, or Fitzgerald....

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on February 15, 2007, 11:02:54 AM
Matt-

I take back my statement your right, Catholic swept Marymount.  If York wins today and Hood wins saturday and so does catholic.  IT would be Catholic, York, then Hood
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Hatters19 on February 15, 2007, 04:47:44 PM
Is the York game still on for tonight?  I know classes are cancelled tonight and tomorrow.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 15, 2007, 08:52:35 PM
At the half....

Hood 44-York 29

Hood looks like a championship caliber squad tonight. Hood is shooting 51.5% from the floor and are 6-for-10 from three while York is at 38% including 1-for-10 from downtown.

Gutekunst has 15 points and six boards while Jughans has 12 points and five assists.

McGowan looks a little frustrated but Chad has had a number of big second halfs. That's what the Spartans will need tonight if they want to grab a piece of their third straight regular season CAC crown.

Live stats at: http://faculty.ycp.edu/~sguise/mbb/xlive.htm
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 15, 2007, 10:14:46 PM
Hood 78 York 71 Final

Looks like a bad night for McGowan.

Damn. 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dan Johnson on February 15, 2007, 10:26:14 PM
Your often overbearing bias toward Catholic is usually tolerable Matt, but leave players out of it.  I always wish that York fares better over Catholic or any other team in the CAC, but I wouldn't call out a CUA player and wish or celebrate the fact that they do poorly.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 15, 2007, 10:32:20 PM
Final from York,

Hood 78-York 71

Credit to Hood, they came out and played like a championship team. They really took it to York early and the Spartans, like always, worked their way back into the game but the early hole they dug was little too big.

I will post more later after the game stories are written.

Game box:
http://www.ycp.edu/sports/mens_basketball/2006/YCPMBB25.HTM
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: hoodfan on February 16, 2007, 12:09:39 AM
Hood played very well tonite. Defensively York had a very hard time stopping them. Hood played very well in the 1st half, and put York in a hole early. Hood was running and getting a lot of good looks the whole first half.
Hood held a 15 point lead at the half. In the 2nd half York started to play better offensively, but they still had trouble stopping Hood. York cut the lead to about 8 at one point in the 2nd half, but Hood went on a run of their own to spread the lead to 20 with about 13 minutes to go. York got as close as 5 coming down the stretch, but couldn't get Hood to fold. Gutekunst gave a solid performance with 27pts and 14 boards. Gutekunst made a good case for POY honors tonite, considering McGowan had a very subpar night for him 11 points. Abercrombie and Junghans were very solid on the perimeter for Hood tonite. They evenly divided 36 points. Ryan did his damage from the outside in the 1st half making 4 3's, and Tim made some great plays on dribble penetration to the basket. Great win for Hood as they seem to have regained momentum going into the tourney. Hood has Salisbury on Sat. at home, it should be another good game.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 16, 2007, 12:59:35 AM
Trying to sort this out so if anyone wants to chime in feel free to correct me.

If UMW beats Catholic Saturday (Hood's result doesn't matter) and Hood is one, UMW is two, YCP three and CUA four (UMW, YCP and CUA are tied for second with UWM holding a 3-1 record against the other two, York being 2-2 and CUA being 1-3).

If CUA (11-5) beats UWM and Hood (11-5) loses to Salisbury, (CUA and Hood split), Hood would be one due to the sweep of York, CUA would be two, York (10-6) three, and UMW, MU and SMC could be tied for fourth depending on their result.

So I guess what I am thinking is that the Spartans are locked into third regardless of what happens on Saturday. (Since the Spartans finally get their bye).

I am sure I have missed a scenario that could happen. Still many things to be decided Saturday.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 16, 2007, 01:18:31 AM
About tonight's game...

Hats off to Hood, they performed like a team that was clicking on all cylinders which was surprising considering their last few results.
One of the keys to the game was their ability to shoot it from the perimeter early. That forced the Spartans to tightly defend the perimeter players, opening the middle for Gutekunst. Junghans made some great passes on the pick and roll and then hit some contested threes in the middle of the first half. Hood kept great spacing in their offense and allowed their guards to penetrate and get in the heart of the Spartan defense.
It would have been very easy for York to roll over when Hood took a 21-point lead with just over 13 minutes left but they put together a good run with a number of reserves on the floor. It typifies the character and determination on this team. Nothing has been easy for this group of guys but they keep battling and never give up. The hole that the Spartans dug, or that Hood helped them dig, was just too big to get out of in the end. Interestingly, Bennett Foelber had a three pointer just before the half go halfway down before bouncing out at the horn. A three pointer there would have made the last four minutes very interesting but that is the game of basketball.
I think Hood is a smart team that is well coached and will be a contender in the CAC for a long time to come.

On a side note, having seen this team play their 16 home games and a few road games, I am very excited about the future of York basketball. The young kids on this team have been contributing more and more as the season progresses and, based just on returning talent without including newcomers, this team will be very tough to handle next year. I am sure if you just saw us play once or twice this year, you could dispute this but I will say that there is a great deal of excitement around the program. There will be a few of these freshman, who don't play a great deal now, that will be very good as sophomores. This is still a young team that has really grown throughout the year thanks to the Spartans' outstanding coaching staff.

Also, props to the three Spartan seniors. Brad Zerfing broke Brandon Bushey's school record for games played tonight. He has had a great four year career and will end up just short of 1,000 career points (of course on those championship teams, he didn't have to score for us to win). Joe Yeck has been having a very good year before suffering some late season injuries and Shane Beccio has been a consumate team player for YCP.

Well, onward towards the CAC tournament where any one of the top seven seeds can get hot and win three straight. I would not be surprised if a lower seed won the tournament this year. There is too much balance and enough talent spread throughout the league that it could be a very wild week.

Good luck to all!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 16, 2007, 01:23:06 AM
Quote from: Dan Johnson on February 15, 2007, 10:26:14 PM
Your often overbearing bias toward Catholic is usually tolerable Matt, but leave players out of it.  I always wish that York fares better over Catholic or any other team in the CAC, but I wouldn't call out a CUA player and wish or celebrate the fact that they do poorly.

Get with the program Dan!---I meant it when I said "damn."  I wanted York to win tonight BADLY.  A York win would have made it much easier for Catholic to be the #1 seed.  I was pulling for the Spartans all the way.

My comment about Chad was based soley on my cursory look at the box score.  Looks like he had a bad night, and without him having a good night York usually doesn't win.  Simple as that.  I was hardly celebrating anything.  Quite the contrary.  I don't care about conference POY or anything else--I just wanted Hood to lose.

EDIT--so you can give me my karma point back! (I know you did it...)  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 16, 2007, 03:00:11 AM
He's only got 47 posts. Fairly certain he didn't smite you. :)s
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on February 16, 2007, 08:33:14 AM
Gotta keep posting...need the power to give out and take away karma...

Anywho, I hope YCP is right if UMW beats CUA on Saturday, UMW will be #2. IF they do beat the Cardinals, UMW would win every tiebreaker with the top four team (MW, YCP,HOOD, CUA) becuase all four team split except the umw sweep (pending) of CUA. However, as I'm sure Matt will hammer into us, it aint going be be easy and as an avid Eagles fan, not to hopeful of our chances. Let's hope MW has their number this year and let's hope they meet in the tourney because the third meeting is usally the best (like unc-duke meeting in the ACC tourney).
But ,again, I have been careless in my recent posts, so I'm not sure of all the situations.

I just hope to contain Dwyer and Fumai. I don't think we can stop Wheeler. He's had a great 4 years against us. I've been at almost every game aginasy MW. He does alot of damage even when he isnt the focal point of the offense.

For us, we need to play smart and take "quality shots" And extra huge games from our seniors with healthy contributions from Peirce, Hale, and Whitworth. I'm sure Oliven will get in the game to eat some inside fouls against Wheelers.
At DuFour? Its gonna be tough but no predictions except if MW is hitting from outside ( btw, CUA is #1 in FG DEf. and 3pt FG def) they'll win.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 16, 2007, 09:32:35 AM
Oh.  Sorry Dan.  Somebody else must have.

Oh well.  If nothing, else, I'm fairly certain Catholic University has the rest of the CAC beat in one critical area--American Idol finalists! 

A CUA student just made the final 24 on the show.  Maybe we can get her to sing the national anthem at a game next year!

http://www.americanidol.com/contestants/season6/antonella_barba/

Antonella is a junior Architecture major.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on February 16, 2007, 10:24:04 AM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on February 16, 2007, 09:32:35 AM

Oh well.  If nothing, else, I'm fairly certain Catholic University has the rest of the CAC beat in one critical area--American Idol finalists! 

A CUA student just made the final 24 on the show.  Maybe we can get her to sing the national anthem at a game next year!

http://www.americanidol.com/contestants/season6/antonella_barba/

Antonella is a junior Architecture major.



Why not invite her to sing Saturday to mark the last regular season CAC games at DuFour?  :'(
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: muchacho on February 16, 2007, 11:13:35 AM
Is this girl ready to be singing the National Anthem before a Catholic game? Thats a stage usually reserved for only the best vocalists in the world...like Pat Coleman!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on February 16, 2007, 11:28:39 AM
UMW baseball alumnus Aaron Altscher was on the Apprentice, won two challenges as a team leader, but got the boot last Sunday. :-(
At least he didn't leave bitter, he is just too nice a guy to be a Trump disciple.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: njlincolnlion on February 16, 2007, 11:43:58 AM
And Antonella Barba is a "Jersey Shore" Girl  ;) .
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 16, 2007, 01:15:53 PM
Quote from: mwcsid on February 16, 2007, 11:28:39 AM
UMW baseball alumnus Aaron Altscher was on the Apprentice, won two challenges as a team leader, but got the boot last Sunday. :-(
At least he didn't leave bitter, he is just too nice a guy to be a Trump disciple.

Yeah, I liked him.

But I think we have you beat there too--Tarek Saab from Season 5 was also a CUA guy.  He lasted all the way until Week 10.   He came back to give a talk on campus last year.   Maybe Catholic can carve out a niche as a feeder school for reality television contestants.

I can't imagine there being a Jersey girl at Catholic, can you Pat?  She must really stand out.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 16, 2007, 02:00:01 PM
Quote from: muchacho on February 16, 2007, 11:13:35 AM
Is this girl ready to be singing the National Anthem before a Catholic game? Thats a stage usually reserved for only the best vocalists in the world...like Pat Coleman!

... our national anthem or the Canadian national anthem? Done both. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on February 16, 2007, 02:02:58 PM
Speaking of CUA, if any of you bored at work people like me read online blogs, I found this on dcist.com where they have a feature called "Overheard in DC" where people send in bits of funny conversations overheard around town. An excerpt from today's edition:

Girls gone not-so-wild.

Catholic University - in a lounge with a kitchen, three girls are cooking.

Girl #1: This is so much fun!
Girl #2: Yeah, I like being domesticated!


Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on February 16, 2007, 02:25:47 PM
How about letting (Canadian) Robert Goulet try the US anthem again, this time at a Catholic game? Maybe his mess-up the last time he sang it is why the recent Super Bowl ad for nuts showed him creeping around messing stuff up at night. On second thought, he looked pretty creepy.   ::) Let's go with Pat and/or Antonella - a cappella.  :D
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Jeff Gamber on February 16, 2007, 04:18:51 PM
I'm trying to figure out who I should scout tomorrow during our bye. Perhaps people on this board can help me figure out the seedings. This is what I get.
1. Hood -locked in
2.Catholic or UMW
3. York - locked in
4. Marymount, Catholic, SMC
5. SMC, Marymount, UMW
6. UMW, SMC, Marymount
7. Salisbury- locked in
8. Goucher - locked in
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 16, 2007, 04:59:09 PM
You've seen all those teams at least two times. Be optimistic and scout someone you might face in the NCAA Tournament. :)

Seriously, though, I know coaches do that. At least send Dean out and about.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on February 16, 2007, 05:00:31 PM
Jeff,
First, there should be a rule that any coach with 400 wins shouldn't be labeled as a "junior varsity" poster.

Anyway... Shawne sent a series of emails to the SIDs a little while ago with all the possibilities. It is crazy.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbsquared on February 16, 2007, 05:31:31 PM
Since the CAC has little chance of sending 2 into the tournament like last year, who's everyone's early pick to win the CAC tourney? No one seems to be really hot at the moment. Hood has started back on the winning track, York still has a pretty good inside game, CUA has played everyone tough and UMW can bomb you into submission when they are on. Will a dark horse emerge?

The UMW-CUA game Sat. will establ9ish the seeding, but everyone has a chance no matter where they are seeded. I myself (for selfish reasons) like UMW because of the number of seniors, but they haven't always shown up to their expectations. If not the Eagles, I like the Spartans chances.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 16, 2007, 05:39:51 PM
Great to see you post Coach Gamber...I hope you know how much respect us Catholic fans have for your program...

Yes, UMW-Catholic is going to be a great game.  Catholic also is lead by a great senior class.  Scott Fumai, Pat Dwyer, Stephen Wheeler, Mike Waslienko and Steve Papageorge have had great careers.   This group is 83-28, 41-16 in regular season conference play--and counting.

I think they'll finish strong.

MWC--any chance that we can get a cliffs notes version of the scenarios on here?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: hoodfan on February 16, 2007, 10:28:36 PM
bbsquared, it is really hard to figure how the upcoming tourney will go, obviously tomorrows games are all very important. I think it has been a great year in the CAC, a lot of competitive games, certain teams got hot at different times only to drop a couple of games another time. In reality it can be anyones tournament. If you look at some of the top teams (Hood, York, Catholic, MW) they have all probably been the most consistent throughout the season, but as of late MU, and SM have been very tough toward the end of the season. Home court at this point is very important and tomorrows games will help decide which teams might get an extra game on their home court. I believe last nights win secured Hood home court throughout the tourney, so that is big for them. I don't think there is a clear cut favorite which is why it should be a great tourney.
  Does anyone think that the CAC could possibly get 2 NCAA bids this season?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dan Johnson on February 16, 2007, 10:50:28 PM
All right, Matt.  I will put my tail between my legs and admit I was wrong.  You have not criticized players in the past and think you are above that.  So I apologize for thinking you would have done that.  Had I thought it through, I should have realized that you were pulling for York.  Good luck in the tourney.  Would love to see another great York/Catholic final (although not going to happen if they go 2-3).
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dan Johnson on February 16, 2007, 10:55:00 PM
PS.  believe Pat.  Us second stringers are not smart enough to mess with someones Karma!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 16, 2007, 11:08:43 PM
You don't get the privilege until 200 posts.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 16, 2007, 11:32:37 PM
Quote from: Dan Johnson on February 16, 2007, 10:50:28 PM
All right, Matt.  I will put my tail between my legs and admit I was wrong.  You have not criticized players in the past and think you are above that.  So I apologize for thinking you would have done that.  Had I thought it through, I should have realized that you were pulling for York.  Good luck in the tourney.  Would love to see another great York/Catholic final (although not going to happen if they go 2-3).

No worries.  I really do my best not to take cheap shots at anybody.  Plus, I know what a great player Chad McGowan is.  He earned my respect at DuFour earlier this year.  He was having a bit of a tough game and I think maybe he got a little frustrated.  He got tangled with Pat Dwyer and basically pushed him a little too hard.  Pat went down pretty hard and he was hot about it.  When he got up you know he wanted to take a shot right back, but Dwyer's a smart and good kid and instead took a walk and refocused.

As soon as the game was over, when the players exchanged handshakes, I watched as McGowan made a point of putting his arm around Dwyer and apologizing right to his face.  He did the same thing to Coach Howes.  The apologies were accepted and the guys moved on.  To me, that demonstrates maturity and class.  In the heat of battle players get heated but the key thing is to put it in perspective.

I think we have a similar philosophy at CUA, but York does too and I recognize that.  So, if I was going to take a shot at anybody, it wouldn't be that program.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on February 17, 2007, 01:59:01 PM
So I'm watching the G'Town vs Villanova game, and I cant help but think that the CUA/UMW game will play out the same way. Low scoring, Physical, tough, and will tons timing shots and plays.

However, if UMW loses this game. I dont think they'll be much of a factor in the tourney. They've had plenty of opportunities late in the season to win big games, ie york, hood, marymount, smc, ....losing to CUA wouldn't help. So UMW needs this game to gain some sort of coherence for the tourney.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbsquared on February 17, 2007, 04:06:54 PM
You're right mwgoonie. If the Eadles lose to CUA today, they will have wasted a group of seniors that they won't see the likes of again in the near future. The season isn't lost yet, but today will be a huge indicator of the program's leadership.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MuMu on February 17, 2007, 04:28:43 PM
5 days later I have Internet in ST. THomasss. I missed the 5 ot thrillerrr posting oh nooo. Playoffs is what only matters, but hopefully Mu can play well today against a tough gally teammm.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbsquared on February 17, 2007, 04:31:18 PM
CUA up early 17-12 as Coach Woods allows 8 of first 10 shots frpm 3 point land. Here we go.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbsquared on February 17, 2007, 04:50:34 PM
CUA 41-28 at thhe half. UMW's backs are adainst the wall. Let's see how they respond!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbsquared on February 17, 2007, 06:03:38 PM
CUA 74-61 UMW could not overcome the hole they dug in the first half . The three pointer continues to kill the Eagles in big games.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on February 17, 2007, 06:06:46 PM
no kidding
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: HopeConvert on February 17, 2007, 06:43:11 PM
Big win for the Cardinals. Good to see. Am I correct in assuming that means CUA has the 2-seed wrapped up for the tourney?

If we're thinking of CUA grads in reality type locations of a surreal nature, we can't forget Cashman. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: hoodfan on February 17, 2007, 06:44:50 PM
Hood 100 Salisbury 84
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MuMu on February 17, 2007, 06:57:59 PM
The Saints needed a win and two other CAC games also to fall the right way to gain the #4 seed in the upcoming conference tournament.  They defeated Gallaudet at home, 81-78 and had the others games go their way as well and will host St. Mary.

Gally must have played well, I would hate to play them.
Corey Diamond, playing in his final regular season game at home, tallied 24 points including five three-pointers.  He also had five rebounds, three assists and two steals. 

Mike Grey 26 I think that makes him 1st team all CAC.

Congrats to Coach Mac and staff for best season so far.

The real season starts nowwwww.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 17, 2007, 07:28:23 PM
Quote from: HopeConvert on February 17, 2007, 06:43:11 PM
Big win for the Cardinals. Good to see. Am I correct in assuming that means CUA has the 2-seed wrapped up for the tourney?

If we're thinking of CUA grads in reality type locations of a surreal nature, we can't forget Cashman. :)

Very nice. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 17, 2007, 09:06:54 PM
Great win for the Cardinals today to lock up the #2 seed.  They played a complete game in every aspect--ran their offense nicely, made some outside shots, dominated in the paint, got 23 points off the bench, and played nice defense.

Mary Washington wasn't especially cold from outside, but I just felt like they were TOO reliant on the three.  There were so many times when Lee or Fitzgerald would get decent penetration, but they would kick out for a three.  I don't understand giving up a high percentage shot for a chance at a 3.  They really didn't look like the UMW I expected to see because they weren't playing team basketball until the middle of the second half.  They did run a halfcourt trap that helped them go on a little run, but they never got closer than 9.

This game as marred by really bad officiating.  I think even D-Mac would back me up just in terms of the amount of calls made.  The officials really inserted themselves.  My problem is that you had 8 fouls TOTAL in the first half, and 29 (!!!) in the second half.  They called a different game, and that includes a lot of ticky tack crap.  There was a stretch where I really felt like UMW was getting every call, but that's another story.  Dwyer and Baker were in trouble and that did impact things a bit.

For Catholic, it was a balanced attack.  Wheeler had another great game, 15 points, 9 boards.  Olivero was key with 13, hit some big outside shots.  Dwyer was money on his free throws down the stretch.

For UMW, Lee had a rough day--2-9 for 9 points.  Baker had 12.  Pierce was badly frustrated inside--4/16, just couldn't do anything against the CUA big men.

Nice to see a W on senior night.  I neglected to mention Sean Kelly, who doesn't play much but is every bit a part of the team as the guys that get a lot of minutes.

Tough matchup against Salisbury--Catholic has won the first two but they were hard fought games.  I think Salisbury is probably the best #7 seed in the history of the league.  Just a tremendous about of parity this year.

Going to be a fun tournament.  I like where the Cardinals are as a team right now--they are playing well, and they've got a good chance to be playing beyond the CAC.  But ONE GAME AT A TIME.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ex_mu14 on February 17, 2007, 10:53:20 PM
Marymount's website has them as the #4 seed and playing St.Marys...Is that correct?

Mike Gray had another solid game. There is no way he shouldnt be on 1st team all CAC...
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 17, 2007, 11:42:58 PM
Yes... Marymount is #4 seed. They were 2-0 vs. St. Mary's and Mary Washington.

Here is the seedings:
#1 - Hood
#2 - CUA
#3 - York
#4 - Marymount
#5 - St. Mary's
#6 - UMW
#7 - Salisbury
#8 - Goucher

As for the CUA/UMW game, which I did attend, I will agree with Matt that CUA played a good game all around. However, they almost blew it in the end. The Cards seemed to get a bit lazy on defense and that resulted in some open shots and some stupid fouls. They also have YET to figure out how to deal with a full-court press. Anyway... they held on to win... what was obviously a very important win.

Think about it... CUA and UMW were basically playing for the #2 seed. If UMW had won, they would have been the #2 seed (tie-breaker of York). But, they lose, CUA gets the #2 seed and UMW falls all the way to #6.

As for the refs... two of the guys I am very familiar with and are at the top of my list in the region. I think both teams started to play very aggresive and that lead to more and more fouls being called. At one point the refs certainly got a bit ticky tack... but in highsight it might have been there way to try and keep the game under-control - especially inside. Another thing to remember, UMW was playing a conservative zone defense compared to the agressive man-to-man CUA was playing on defense. This lead to plenty of calls going against CUA. But... it certainly wasn't a well officiated game... but compared to some games I have seen this season... it wasn't horrible.

One side note, Dwyer only had four fouls because one of the refs decided the illegal screen was on Dwyer... when in reality everyone knows it should have been called on Olivero (for giving a nice shot to Lee). The problem was... a) Dwyer was the guy Olivero was setting the screen for... and b) Dwyer is #34 and Olivero is #24 - ref indicated the wrong guy!

Another problem I saw with UMW today... too much individual play. I realize their offense lends itself to a bit of one-on-one play (since its a spread-five game-plan)... but it caused bad shots and no one knew who to go to when in trouble. As for too many threes... who ever posted that early on doesn't know UMW that well. THAT IS THERE OFFENSE!!! They have NO ONE taller than 6'3"... how EXACTLY are they going to run an inside-outside game and have ANYONE post up inside? Remember, this team lit up the Gophers with 22 3-pointers MADE in a 100-59 victory.

But... that being said... they are living by the three... dying by the three.

More on the conference tournament to come... but almost anyone can win this tournament. Goucher might be the only team I wouldn't bet on - simply because they are out-matched. However, they did give Hood a VERY hard time last time they faced each other... maybe we see the upset. Salisbury is also on the outside looking in. Will be VERY tough to win three straight on the road... especially when you start at CUA.

My guess... CAC gets two teams in the tournament ONLY if Hood and CUA end up playing each other in the championship! Should either lose earlier than that... there will probably be only ONE team from the CAC. However... how things happen elsewhere in the region and nation will have a lot of affects on Pool C possibilities.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 18, 2007, 12:06:45 AM
D-Mac, I said that about UMW.  They were too reliant on the 3 today.  Not neccesarily in general, just today.  We talked about what I meant at the game--UMW was getting pretty decent penetration, especially in the second half.   I know you noticed that too because we talked about it.  They had some good looks, they just didn't take them and opted to kick out.   I'm NOT talking about posting up inside, obviously they are way overmatched, I'm just saying that if you penetrate enough to get into a good position to either take a shot or draw a foul, maybe you ought to do that on occasion instead of kicking out for a 3 that may or may not be there.

They shot 40% from 3 today, so that didn't kill them.  They really didn't die by the 3.  They just didn't do enough else to win.  Its unbelieveable to me that they finished in sixth place.  That has to be a MAJOR disappointment for a veteran team that was the closest thing to a favorite in the league and started strong.

Catholic did go through a stretch where it was sloppy--but UMW never got closer than 9.   Howes took some smart timeouts.  At the end of the day, the margin wasn't padded much--it was a 13 point game at halftime, and a 13 point game at the end. 

Well anyway, Salisbury is pretty tough matchup right off the bat for Catholic.   I do give Marymount a lot of credit for pulling their season together.  We'll see how they do in the tournament, I personally like their chances at home against St. Mary's.   Hood should have an easy game in the first round, but that second round game will be tough for them.



Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbsquared on February 18, 2007, 09:52:32 AM
Another problem I saw with UMW today... too much individual play. I realize their offense lends itself to a bit of one-on-one play (since its a spread-five game-plan)... but it caused bad shots and no one knew who to go to when in trouble. As for too many threes... who ever posted that early on doesn't know UMW that well. THAT IS THERE OFFENSE!!! They have NO ONE taller than 6'3"... how EXACTLY are they going to run an inside-outside game and have ANYONE post up inside? Remember, this team lit up the Gophers with 22 3-pointers MADE in a 100-59 victory.

But... that being said... they are living by the three... dying by the three.

You're right Dave, Live by the three, die by the three. BTW, Whitworth Oliven and Pierce are all over 6'3". Wood decided to hook his wagon to the outside game and led them from early season front runner to a #6 seed.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MuMu on February 18, 2007, 09:54:05 AM
look at the top 7 of the 8 teams any one can win the cac this year.
The CAC has to in the top 5 div in D3?
You think Dmac?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 18, 2007, 10:26:22 AM
Sorry MuMu... just because anyone in the top seven can win the CAC doesn't make this conference in the Top 5 nationally.

1 - CCIW
2 - WIAC
3 - UAA
4 - OAC
5 - NESCAC/HCAC and others

I think CAC has certainly raised its play in recent years and there is certainly more parity. But, the CAC is probably middle of the road compared to the nation. Teams like Gallaudet and Goucher this year bring the conference down as a whole... but at the same time nobody else is capable of going out to the Mid-West/West/Great Lakes and handling the likes of the CCIW, WIAC, UAA, etc.

Matt - as for the CUA/UMW game... I don't disagree with your comments - please don't take it that way. I was just commenting on what I saw. As for living/dying by the three... I agree that they shot a decent percentage... but since they were relying on that to get major points, I think that killed them Saturday.

Oh... and bbsquared, I know that Pierce, Whitworth, and Oliven are taller than 6'3"... but they don't play big. Pierce was not very good yesterday... out of control (especially on defense)... and trying to hit threes when it was obvious he was cold from deep. He also couldn't post up against ANYONE on CUA without looking like he was half their size and half of his size. Has anyone taught him how to post-up in a standing position - standing tall - instead of bending over and presenting a smaller target?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbsquared on February 18, 2007, 10:43:52 AM
Great points D-Mac. UMW has some size in the program, but they have chosen to play small ball. When you hit 20 threes, you look great. The problem is that very few programs consistently hit more than 12 a game. That leaves you very little wiggle room on off nights. Also, a program that can score from several areas makes the "D" work a larger area and opens more opportunities.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 18, 2007, 11:54:47 AM
D-Mac--yeah, I know.  I think we basically agree.

BB--well its even worse than that--they didn't even have an "off" night, but it still wasn't enough.  I guess they just need to be extremely hot.  They really need more from Baker, but he was very well defended.

D-Mac is totally right on Pierce--it was bizarre.  I've never seen a "big" guy try to make himself SMALLER when he got in the post....huh?

I just don't see them beating York on the road.  York can pretty much shoot with them, and McGowan is probably too much for them to stop. 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on February 18, 2007, 12:16:05 PM
Quote from: mwgoonie on February 17, 2007, 01:59:01 PM

However, if UMW loses this game. I dont think they'll be much of a factor in the tourney. They've had plenty of opportunities late in the season to win big games, ie york, hood, marymount, smc, ....losing to CUA wouldn't help. So UMW needs this game to gain some sort of coherence for the tourney.

Yeah, what i said early still applies. However, I'll still make it up to the game, at least to see the new gym. Also, ever since last year, something has been seriously wrong with my mike lee's ankle. they tape that ankle up well for games and has adapted a tall sock to cover it up. after every game he limps around. Certainly doesn't help his speed or jumping (esp. from 3 land) which doesn't help confidence.

But alas, i hope for a good game at YCP, but can UMW be motivated?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on February 18, 2007, 12:23:21 PM
In fact, I may just post another thing, so I get closer.  :-*
The officiating at the mw/cua game was bad. make up calls, not calling things on both ends. I think it can be explained by the two different styles of play. CUA's big men fly around after rebounds, etc in the low post, fouls are more likely to be called, especially bc the CUA big men look so much more bigger than mw's players. The sheer physicality of CUA caused alot of fouls - guards use their hands alot. I noticed when wheeler posts up, he hooks the defenders with his off arm to spin around them - leading to alot of points inside for him. alot fo UMW's fouls were reactions to physical and quick play of CUA. Like they were a step behind.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on February 18, 2007, 12:25:51 PM
oh and the crowd, very quiet until the last 2 minutes with Kelley going in and the other seniors coming in/out. A little dissappointed although, looks like it was really a close game so that kept 'em quiet. But you'd think it's Senior Day, let's get rowdy? They're saving up for the tourney.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on February 18, 2007, 12:28:10 PM
As for HOOD not handling this league? I think they have it down. Seems like us CAC faithful overestimated our league, thinking outsiders couldn't win here. Just shows you how average we really are.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 18, 2007, 12:33:09 PM
Quote from: mwgoonie on February 18, 2007, 12:16:05 PM
Also, ever since last year, something has been seriously wrong with my mike lee's ankle. they tape that ankle up well for games and has adapted a tall sock to cover it up. after every game he limps around. Certainly doesn't help his speed or jumping (esp. from 3 land) which doesn't help confidence.
Something is actually wrong with Mike Lee... won't burn my source by saying what... but he isn't 100% and hasn't been for a long time.

Quote from: mwgoonie on February 18, 2007, 12:23:21 PM
In fact, I may just post another thing, so I get closer.  :-*
The officiating at the mw/cua game was bad. make up calls, not calling things on both ends. I think it can be explained by the two different styles of play. CUA's big men fly around after rebounds, etc in the low post, fouls are more likely to be called, especially bc the CUA big men look so much more bigger than mw's players. The sheer physicality of CUA caused alot of fouls - guards use their hands alot. I noticed when wheeler posts up, he hooks the defenders with his off arm to spin around them - leading to alot of points inside for him. alot fo UMW's fouls were reactions to physical and quick play of CUA. Like they were a step behind.
Just curious... since when is officiating supposed to fair and equal to both teams. As I wrote earlier, CUA was playing an agressive man-to-man defense... while UMW played mostly a conservative 2-3 zone. Just on paper that would tell me that CUA is going to be called for more fouls.

And yes... UMW was a step behind... all game long!

Quote from: mwgoonie on February 18, 2007, 12:28:10 PM
As for HOOD not handling this league? I think they have it down. Seems like us CAC faithful overestimated our league, thinking outsiders couldn't win here. Just shows you how average we really are.
Couldn't have said it better. Another reason this conference is NOT in the top five in the nation.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 18, 2007, 12:48:55 PM
Nonsense posts just for the sake of getting someone to 200 will be deleted and smited for. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 18, 2007, 01:18:18 PM
Ouch!!! :)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on February 18, 2007, 01:22:18 PM
Ha, I knew you'd get me but at least i got attention. And even some good attention from another poster.
i will never say smc seagulls again....

Lee= bad ankle, etc.... Gotta love his heart for always being out there
Hood= should take CAC crown.
Calls at CUA/UMW game = officiating should be fair in the sense that both teams, coaches, and fans should have fouls called for fouls, not make up calls, or ticky tak fouls. I understand touchy fouls when the game is getting heated, but this game was never "heated" in that sense. And one team shouldnt be penalized so playing physical, but CUA was far more physical than MW and because of the contrast of play, their physicality stood out more. and yes, man to man, and being bigger than the other team, will leads to more fouls. Not saying CUA was wrong but the contrast led to more fouls.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on February 18, 2007, 01:26:57 PM
Open topic: Most likely 1st round upset? Excluding the 4/5 matchup which I think is very even.

Gotta be the 2/7 matchup? As mentioned earlier, SAL is a very good 7 seed. the ycp/umw matchup is interesting but i dont think they have the power to win.

Pat, is there a format for posting fan pics on this forum? Would be nice to have sids or fans post digital pics from games.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on February 18, 2007, 05:18:48 PM
I think we'll see a much more focused Spartans team on Tuesday night. I think they got a little too fired up early on for Senior night. They got the first bucket of the night from Shane Beccio who started for the first time in 4 years, and then started to go in to a bit of a hole. I know Chad will come out looking to have a huge game to follow up what was one of the worst games I ever saw him play. He was getting thrown all over the floor by Gutekunst and Robine and  I think it distracted him a bit.

Even with a win, this will be the last game Joe and Brad play on campus at York, unless Salisbury can take Catholic down which is a tall order. So I think we will she some big games out of the two of them. These are guys who played big minutes and had big games in the Sweet 16 two years ago, so they are in tune with what it means to play in a big game.

I think York should beet Mary Washington, but we all know anything can happen in the tourny! I'm looking forward to seeing the Grumbacher jumpin on Tuesday.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CACsportsnut on February 18, 2007, 06:17:43 PM
Question kitchenrat....Why has Yeck been limited in his playing time as of late? Injury I am sure, but what is injured on him?  When he is out, they give his playing time to two freshman guards. Don't get me wrong, Nick Brady is extremely impressive for being a freshman and just has a well-polished all around game, and Bennett Foelber will turn some heads next season, he is showing a good upside as well....but it is tourney time, and it always stings to not have a senior leader, especially one with a lot of post-season experience, not at full health
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: seagull fan on February 18, 2007, 06:34:41 PM
Does anyone know why Ozi Menakaya did not play against Marymount in the five overtime game and why he didnt play again on saturday against Hood? I dont know if its smart to sit someone of his importance to a team so late in the season.  And i think that if he doesnt play against Catholic, it may get ugly for salisbury in DC?    Anyones reasons or thoughts on this?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: hoodfan on February 18, 2007, 10:10:05 PM
Seagull Fan, evidently Menakaya was dismissed from the team. I was talking  to someone from Salisbury yesterday at the Hood game, and apparently there have been different issues all year long. He was off the team for a few games earlier in the season, only to return and play again. There must have been some problems more recently, and he was removed from the team. He didn't play in either Hood game during the regular season. They list him at 6'2", yet I believe he was near the top of the conference and nation  in rebounding. That certainly is a big blow for them. It doesn't sound like he is playing in the tourney.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: seagull fan on February 19, 2007, 12:44:09 AM
Thanks Hood Fan. yeah Ozi was actually 8th in the nation in rebounding earlier this month.  Crazy!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 19, 2007, 01:27:37 AM
He played against Catholic just last week.  Huh.  Didn't change the outcome.

Strange doings.  With or without him, I still think Salisbury is the toughest #7 I can remember.  Nobody particularly looks forward to playing them.  Then again, this year, the only team out of the 8 I would really dismiss is Goucher.  Even St. Mary's and Marymount are playing pretty well.  York came on pretty strong here at the end--I wonder what impact the Hood loss has since at least their fans seemed to think that was a game they should win--Hood stumbled down the stretch then righted the ship, Catholic finished pretty strong, after two bad conference losses earlier.  UMW seems to be the only team trended downward, but hell, if they get hot enough from 3....
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 19, 2007, 02:05:37 AM
They have to be. They're the only No. 7 seed in CAC history with TWO teams behind them in the standings. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: seagull fan on February 19, 2007, 02:57:09 AM
yes Ozi did play against Catholic last week but he only played 15min, in which he had 9pts and 7bds.  the seagulls lost by two. with their entire team intact and playing well they should be incredibly good.  But they are not which makes me consider if coaching has anything to do with it.   And random fact: Catholic has ended Ray Williams and Segun's season every year of their career.  They meet again for the final time on Tuesday. should be interesting especially for them going into the game centerless.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 19, 2007, 07:36:41 AM
Just for the recrod - I don't believe Salisbury has won any game Ozi has missed. I don't see that changing Tueday night.

They just don't have a "team" at Salisbury!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MuMu on February 19, 2007, 07:43:10 AM
D-mac,
With Goucher not doing well and early in some ones post thet stated Coach Trevino does not have it any more do you think he is on the hot seat?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 19, 2007, 08:28:46 AM
Honestly... no!

I think Goucher has certainly taken a bit of a hit recently in recruiting and struggled on the court. However, the team does have a lot of talent on it now (young, but there is talent) and with the program transitioning to a new conference... I think Trevino's position is safe for now.

I know many - including those at Goucher - have been used to success from the men's program... and I think the last few years are the exception, not the rule.

Now... if the team continues to struggle in the future... I am sure anything is possible. However, Coach Trevino has been the only coach this program has had and with all the success it has had in the past... I don't think the last few years are a reason to raise the surrender flag and look for a new coach.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on February 19, 2007, 09:29:47 AM
Quote from: CACsportsnut on February 18, 2007, 06:17:43 PM
Question kitchenrat....Why has Yeck been limited in his playing time as of late? Injury I am sure, but what is injured on him? 

It's my understanding that Joe has had back problems. He missed the whole second half of the Catholic Win with a pretty bad back spasm. He brings a lot to the floor, both tangible and intangible. He shoots 50% and 40% from three and late in the game there is no one you would rather see with the ball at the line (92%). He also sees the floor well, and knows every in and out of the motion offense, and is great at distributing the ball.

If Joe is healthy and if some of the younger guys continue to play at the level they have been I feel good about the tournament. Pat Kelley had a fantastic game against Hood, and Bennett shows more each and every time he plays. 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cugrad on February 19, 2007, 12:35:10 PM
Some have commented on the officiating at the Catholic/UMW game. I don't agree with much of what has been said. I do, however, agree that it was the worst job of officiating at Catholic that I have seen this year. With about 12 or so minutes left in the game, Catholic lead by about 20 points. At that point, both Catholic and Mary Wash had been whistled for about 8 fouls per team. From there, it seemed as though the refs went after the Cards a bit. Two of the refs did most of the damage. Dwyer seemed to be their favorite target. I sat in the front row in front of Catholic's second half basket. UMW played zone, but it was not as passive as it has been portrayed on this board. They were grabbing, pushing, and slapping as well as anyone. Nobody mentioned the smaller UMW players climbing the backs of Dwyer, Wheels, and Fumai. Nor that the Catholic big guys were getting hammered inside. I don't blame a smaller UMW team for playing aggressive down low, but rarely was it called-until the last two minutes of the game when UMW needed to stop the clock. Fortunately, Catholic played pretty well for most of the game. Concerning Tuesday, Catholic has a history of being a little flat in the first round of the conference tournament. They certainly can't afford to be flat against a solid Salisbury team.

GO CARDS!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 19, 2007, 01:23:42 PM
Quote from: cugrad on February 19, 2007, 12:35:10 PM
I do, however, agree that it was the worst job of officiating at Catholic that I have seen this year.

Exactly right.  It was.  In general, I haven't thought the officiating in the CAC was AS bad this year as it has been in past years.  I've refrained from criticizing as much as possible.  Saturday, however, was downright awful and the worst of the season.  The inconsistencies being the most obvious problem. 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 19, 2007, 01:28:08 PM
Trust me guys when I say... that was not even CLOSE to the worse officiating I have seen this year. I point out there is one guy who has been the chief ref for three or four games at the SRC this season who hasn't had a good... even average... even ok game once.

What I saw at the DuFour Center certainly wasn't great... but it was ok.

I didn't have a problem with more than a handful of calls.

Matt - just to play... the inconsistencies... you did look at me and smile when you saw a hand check called on CUA followed by a hand check called on UMW, right?! :)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MuMu on February 19, 2007, 01:38:45 PM
officiating in the cac is bad no matter who is macthing up, the team who does not worry about comes out on top.

Dmac with your cac history has any coach been fired that you can recall
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on February 19, 2007, 01:50:01 PM
Lookin forward to the tournament and I think it will be a good one.  5 days from Saturday any predictions for who will play in the final.

Hood over Goucher
Catholic over Salisbury
York over Mary Wash
St Mary's over Marymount

Hood over Marymount
York over Catholic

York v Hood Final (game has to be changed to Grumbacher because it is nicer :))

Another question- Does anyone think Chad lost POY on Thursday night?  Just a question to think about

Good luck to all teams
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 19, 2007, 01:54:58 PM
Fired is a tricky word... some coaches have not been granted extensions to their contracts... and others have "decided to move on".

Let me look back on the years... but "fired" - not sure.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 19, 2007, 02:55:42 PM
If we consider coaches who have been let go involuntarily, regardless of their contract status, I immediately think of three: Bob Valvano, Catholic; Tom Davies, Mary Washington and Othell Wilson, St. Mary's.

There are probably others, though I think Webb Hatch left Marymount on his own, Goucher hasn't changed, York hasn't changed, Ward Lambert retired. I don't know the history of other St. Mary's coaches. I don't know if John Becker ... or the other guy, the one with the mustache :) ... left Gallaudet voluntarily or if Becker was forced out to put DeStefano back on the bench.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 19, 2007, 04:03:56 PM
St. Mary's previous coach resigned after the debacle of a season with the famous incidents with Habel. However, I wouldn't be surprised the actual "resignation" was more like a push out the door.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on February 19, 2007, 04:31:41 PM
Speaking of Habel, I took a moment to gander at the SDSU stats.

Jerome is forth on the team in scoring 10.6, and first in rebounds 6.1
He's shooting 60% from the floor but only 53% at the line. The 'Tecs are 18-8 this year but are just 4-6 on the road. I wonder if Mr. Habel is still getting distracted and jawing with fans while playing on the road.

I've been to a lot of sporting events in my life, but the York vs. St. Mary's game two years ago was the only time I ever had a player threaten my life FROM THE COURT!

The SDSU media guide touts Habel as an NBA prospect and I can't agree more. You just can't teach height and he has it... he also has the attitude to make it in the Association.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Hatters19 on February 19, 2007, 04:41:56 PM
The game you speak of kitchenrat was incredible.  Probably one of the best I went to while attending york.  How does Habel have any eligibility left?  Hasnt he been playins for about 6 years?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 19, 2007, 04:43:08 PM
Quote from: Dave "d-mac" McHugh on February 19, 2007, 01:28:08 PM
Trust me guys when I say... that was not even CLOSE to the worse officiating I have seen this year. I point out there is one guy who has been the chief ref for three or four games at the SRC this season who hasn't had a good... even average... even ok game once.

What I saw at the DuFour Center certainly wasn't great... but it was ok.

I didn't have a problem with more than a handful of calls.

Matt - just to play... the inconsistencies... you did look at me and smile when you saw a hand check called on CUA followed by a hand check called on UMW, right?! :)

Rat--I don't about his "attitude," but you have to have discipline to make it in the NBA these days, and that's something he does NOT have.  The annals of basketball are paved with guys who had the talent and the physical characteristics to be successful but screwed it up for themselves.   I know he's been given a ton of chances, but I think an NBA team will be reticent to take a flyer on that guy.  And frankly, he didn't much impress me when I saw him.

D-Mac--yeah, I did, but that's not what I meant.  I meant the disparity between the first half and the second half.  I've certainly seen refs "tighten" the game up plenty, but that was ridiculous.  They went from not calling practically anything in the first half--even things I think should have been called, to calling absolutely everything in the second half.  And its not like the two games were getting particularly chippy with each other--everybody was behaving.  I could understand a little bit more if there had been some hard fouls and the beginnings of sore feelings--that's when the officials usually will step it up and simmer things down.

The other inconsistency was the quick whistle on any kind of guard contact, but swallowing the whistle inside on positioning.  They were letting Mary Wash players clutch and grab in the 3 second area, but they weren't letting anybody make any contact in the five second area.  

I've always said that I can deal with a game being called a certain way as long as players know what to expect, but in a game like that, its impossible.  You end up with 10 guys on the court who have practically no idea as to what is going to get whistled.

None of this is particularly important, but we've all got nothing else to talk about right now until the real action, and everybody's mind is still on basketball...
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cac on February 19, 2007, 05:30:43 PM
MuMu- I believe the last coach that was forced out was the coach at UMW prior to Coach Wood. As I recall he went to court over it.

Matt- I am to lazy to check but has there been any double digit losses between Catholic and SU in the last couple of years? Most games have been pretty close.

D-Mac- I couldn't believe how far Goucher's talent has fallen. It's hard to believe they had less talent last season. I see very little chance for improvement unlees they bring in a bunch of new players.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MuMu on February 19, 2007, 05:42:24 PM
For all the feedback on the coaches firing. Thanks

Habel will hold himself back he's nuts, bottom line!

Has Hood been in any type of playoff game before this?

Salem, VA

Your picks are messed up you have Hood over marymount in the second round, but in the first roun you have marymount losing... It's playoff time get your picks right that might cost you if we had a bracket. haha

Picks I like

MU over the SeaChickens not the Seagulls

Hood just for the first round!

CUA in a close one!

Upset of the Weeekkkkkkkk UMW(Mike Lee plays huge,just because the board was talking about him!)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: HopeConvert on February 19, 2007, 05:54:45 PM
Quote from: MuMu on February 19, 2007, 01:38:45 PM
officiating in the cac is bad no matter who is macthing up, the team who does not worry about comes out on top.

Dmac with your cac history has any coach been fired that you can recall

Valvano was a midseason firing, if I recall correctly. There were a series of incidents, culminating in a legendary halftime tirade, that caused the administration to pull the plug on his tenure.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: andre james smith on February 19, 2007, 06:14:11 PM
I'm planning on heading up to the game at York tomorrow night, I don't know what time I'll be able to make it up there with the Beltway traffic and such, any chance this game will sell out and they'll have to turn people away... I know they had to a few years ago at MWC for a playoff game, although Goolrick isnt the largest venue in the world.

As for the game, things haven't really been going the Eagles' way lately, but I gotta believe that Mike and AJ don't want to go out like this after how successful they have been at UMW.  Hopefully, the last remaining MWC     Eagles can help put together a magical run like Dupras and Hairston did back in '03.  If the Eagles can contain McGowan, I like their chances to pull the upset and end what has been a great season for York.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 19, 2007, 06:14:48 PM
Quote from: cac on February 19, 2007, 05:30:43 PM
MuMu- I believe the last coach that was forced out was the coach at UMW prior to Coach Wood. As I recall he went to court over it.

That was the Tom Davies guy I mentioned. :)

Quote from: HopeConvert on February 19, 2007, 05:54:45 PM
Valvano was a midseason firing, if I recall correctly. There were a series of incidents, culminating in a legendary halftime tirade, that caused the administration to pull the plug on his tenure.

Actually a postseason firing, following a 20-6 season. I don't know that it was one tirade that was particularly legendary but as an undergrad I know the students liked him as a coach and were upset he got fired.

I still have a "I like Coach Valvano, Gosh Darn It" shirt. :)

However, they hired some guy named Mike Lonergan, so it all worked out.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 19, 2007, 06:32:34 PM
Quote from: cac on February 19, 2007, 05:30:43 PM
D-Mac- I couldn't believe how far Goucher's talent has fallen. It's hard to believe they had less talent last season. I see very little chance for improvement unlees they bring in a bunch of new players.
Well... you need to look at their roster. They have a number of freshmens and sophomores on the team now and I like some of their talent (if they can play together). There were lots of reasons for the talent slide, but I am not going to go into some of the particulars. However, just something to ponder. Three of the four seniors the team thanked this year... were only in their third years of eligibility. I am not saying all three or even one is coming back. But, don't be surprised if you see some familiar names return.

Goucher might not be back near the top next year... but I think we will be talking about more about them in the coming years.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 19, 2007, 06:35:52 PM
Mike who?

Andre, I've tried to do that drive before myself--go up to York on a weeknight.  Good luck to you, my friend.  It was BRUTAL.  My wife and I did it last year and it literally took us like 3 hours from DC.   We left at like 5.   The DC-Baltimore Beltway stretch is brutal.  Then the 695 off ramp was unbelievable--next time I swear I'd go the other direction then turn around.  Then 695 itself was pretty bad for a while.  

Anyway, we did get there right as the game started, so it can be done, but...not fun.

My one attempt to make it to a CUA-MWC game resulted in a DNF, so I guess it could be worse.  I gave up when it took me like 90 minutes to get to Lorton.

I'm happy that CUA will have two home games on weeknights (if they take care of business Tuesday).   Makes life a lot easier! Especially now...
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 19, 2007, 06:47:30 PM
With the baby you qualify for HOW to Mary Washington. :)

To York, maybe it works better to take 70 to U.S. 15 to U.S. 30?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 19, 2007, 06:57:44 PM
If you can get to 70, perhaps.

That's true about HOV...actually, when I moved to Loudoun I traded my Intrigue for a Camry Hybrid so I'm loving life in the fast lane, so to speak.  But VDOT is threatening to kick hybrids out in July, which would really ruin my life.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on February 19, 2007, 07:00:27 PM
Heading to baltimore to get on 70 to 15 seems a bit out of the way but I never tried it

I've tried 270 to 15 to 30 to York and it is much longer than it looks. If 270 traffic is heavy, it would be impossible
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 19, 2007, 07:03:30 PM
Sorry, meant 270 to 15.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: HopeConvert on February 19, 2007, 07:45:43 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 19, 2007, 07:03:30 PM
Sorry, meant 270 to 15.

270 to 15 is what worked best for me, then head east at Gettysburg.

Thanks for the correction. My memory told me mid-season, but that's a faulty tool. It was a series of events, but it was the dispensing at halftime of certain personal hygiene items that got him in deep water. I think the grad students were a little less upset. ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on February 19, 2007, 08:07:19 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 19, 2007, 06:47:30 PM
To York, maybe it works better to take 270 to U.S. 15 to U.S. 30?

I would avoid that if you can. 30 from G-burg to York is like torture! It should only take 25 minutes or so but it can easily take an hour if you get behind a truck.

Quote from: andre james smith on February 19, 2007, 06:14:11 PM
I'm planning on heading up to the game at York tomorrow night, I don't know what time I'll be able to make it up there with the Beltway traffic and such, any chance this game will sell out and they'll have to turn people away... I know they had to a few years ago at MWC for a playoff game, although Goolrick isnt the largest venue in the world.


There is a chance we could sell it out, but that's 1800 butts in seats and SRO. We had the York Area High School Title game on campus on Saturday (can you say GREAT RECRUITING TOOL!!!) and there were tons of people standing on the top level and in the lobby next to the skybox. 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MuMu on February 19, 2007, 08:20:20 PM
Krat who played for the York championship and how is Trinity doing?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 19, 2007, 08:27:47 PM
Quote from: kitchenrat on February 19, 2007, 08:07:19 PM
I would avoid that if you can. 30 from G-burg to York is like torture! It should only take 25 minutes or so but it can easily take an hour if you get behind a truck.

Oh, but the Washington and Baltimore beltways are a piece of cake? :)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: andre james smith on February 19, 2007, 08:38:14 PM
Thanks for all the suggestions on heading up to York, but I'm actually heading up from Odenton, MD so I have to take 97 up to 695... looks like maybe I should take 895 or just 695 East to avoid the west side.  We should be able to make it up in time to score one of the 1800 seats...
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MuMu on February 19, 2007, 08:53:10 PM
mapquest might give you something ass backwards try that. ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ex_mu14 on February 19, 2007, 10:27:19 PM
Mike Gray is CAC men's basketball player of the week

For the second time in four weeks, Mike Gray is the Capital Athletic Conference Player of the Week in men's basketball for the week ending February 18. 

He set a school single-game scoring record in the Saints five-ovetime win at Salisbury with 40 points.  He tallied 26 points in the win over Gallaudet. 

For the week, he shot 25-38 from the floor (65.8 percent; was 16 21 from the free throw line (76.2 percent) and pulled down 22 rebounds in the two games.  He had only three turnovers in 89 minutes of play. 

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dan Johnson on February 19, 2007, 10:34:08 PM
MuMu, this will hopefully answer half your question.



http://www.ycp.edu/sports/mens_basketball/2006/YAIAAchamps.html
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ex_mu14 on February 19, 2007, 10:36:49 PM
It's hard to beat a team three times but i will take MU over St. Marys...I think the home court will make the difference...  I think the 4th seed will work out great for MU. We dont have to worry about Catholic or York until the championship game. I like to way MU matches up against St. Mary's and Hood...

Win or go home!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MuMu on February 20, 2007, 11:40:32 AM
Coach Mac right now is creating a crazy d-fence for the St. Mary's that they have never seen before, hes good..

EXmu14 you going to the game tonight?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 20, 2007, 11:50:51 AM
As if the stakes weren't high enough for Catholic tonight, here's another little nugget.  If the Cardinals win, it will be their NINTH straight 20 win season.  I'm virtually positive they already had the longest streak going in D3, so this will keep that alive.

Realistically, if Catholic wins tonight and Thursday, I think their Pool C resume is fairly strong. 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MuMu on February 20, 2007, 12:06:34 PM
Matt,
that could have jinks the Cards tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 20, 2007, 12:07:31 PM
Quote from: MuMu on February 20, 2007, 11:40:32 AM
Coach Mac right now is creating a crazy d-fence for the St. Mary's that they have never seen before, hes good..

I hear good things about the box-and-two. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 20, 2007, 12:07:57 PM
Weren't you predicting a Marymount win tonight at home MuMu?

I think that's a bigger jinx!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on February 20, 2007, 12:14:28 PM
Matt,

You cant lose to the two worst team in the conf, Gally (@home) and Goucher and feel safe with a pool C bid. 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 20, 2007, 12:42:20 PM
No, you can't, but at the same time, those losses have already occured and this team still picked up the #3 Regional Ranking by the NCAA, ahead of some other major Pool C rivals.

A 21 win CUA team with a good regional ranking will have a very strong case. 

But we're getting ahead of ourselves. 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on February 20, 2007, 01:23:35 PM
 :o

I got hood, CUA, SMC,and umw getting to round 2. I have a feeling that Chad tweaks an ankle early in the game and YCP doesn't have to firepower to hang with umw. Hood cruises, the SMC *insert sea bird species* goes into the Verizon and eeks out a close one, and CUA handles business against a tought SAL *insert sea bird species* team.

But what do I know? Not much.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 20, 2007, 01:32:55 PM
I don't want to discount them, but based on what I just saw, UMW would have to get ridiculously hot from 3 to beat York, and goonie's probably right that McGowan has to get hurt.

I suppose the two teams are fairly evenly matched, EXCEPT York has an inside game and the Eagles do not.  Which means they really aren't evenly matched at all.  So I'm be very surprised if York doesn't win tonight, especially at home.

But we've certainly seen wild upsets in this tournament in year's past--like York losing last year!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on February 20, 2007, 01:45:35 PM
Quote from: mwgoonie on February 20, 2007, 01:23:35 PM
:o

I got hood, CUA, SMC,and umw getting to round 2. I have a feeling that Chad tweaks an ankle early in the game and YCP doesn't have to firepower to hang with umw. Hood cruises, the SMC *insert sea bird species* goes into the Verizon and eeks out a close one, and CUA handles business against a tought SAL *insert sea bird species* team.

But what do I know? Not much.

Wow! Should we start calling you MWGillooly rather than mwgoonie? Do you have something planned for Chad?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 20, 2007, 01:48:12 PM
Quote from: Salem, VA on February 20, 2007, 12:14:28 PM
You cant lose to the two worst team in the conf, Gally (@home) and Goucher and feel safe with a pool C bid. 
Well... they can have a little bit of confidence. Losses do not hurt as much in the QOWI as you would think. Certainly, you don't GAIN any points... but you also don't lose any points with those two losses.

In the latest QOWI... CUA is #34 in the nation with a 10.000. That is a pretty safe number in my mind.
Hood is #37 at 9.957.
The next closest is York in 73rd at 9.280 - most certainly on the outside looking in.

CUA and Hood only improve those numbers with wins (though, not a lot in the first round of the CAC... bigger increase with wins in the semis).

I hate going out on a limb... but I think if Hood and CUA make the championship game... they both might be in the NCAA Tournament. However... that also depends on how many teams we expect in the tournament... are upset in conference tournaments... using up more of the Pool C bids than expected!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on February 20, 2007, 02:34:36 PM
I wish no harm on Chad but its about the only way i see UMW winning. in '03 when MWC made the ncaa tourney and had the 1st round game at alvernia, Dan Dupras went down early with a similar injury and was the difference in the game. But who knows, maybe Mike Lee, Baker and Fitzgerald can put together a good game. As long as the other "role" players stay out of trouble and take selective shots, it will be a great game nonetheless. Hale hits threes, Pierce plays under control and Whitworth flys aorund for boards and putbacks.

You never know but as a good fan, I feel I have to think of the best scenario for my team. As like Matt said, you can't discount a team that has played very well at times in the season, beating all of the top team at least once.

But good luck to all teams!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on February 20, 2007, 02:47:38 PM
Im sure those in the know already saw this but to other's this may be new. Or at least this backups something we've been talking about all season in regards to the Eagles

Sam Groseclose, 6-8, 265. He averaged 15.7 points and 8.7 rebounds for Turner Ashby HS. He told The Daily News Record of Harrisonburg, Va., the following:

"I went down and watched them play, and it didn't seem like they had a lot of inside presence," he said. "It seemed like that was the one thing they were lacking, and that's what their coach told me, he said, 'We're lacking a true inside man' and honestly, through high school, that's all I played."
From Daily Dose, '06 by P. Coleman.

Ok, so, he played in an earlier game this year vs Dickinson College. I believe another poster talked about a huge guy not traveling witht the team. Maybe next year is his breakout year?

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 20, 2007, 05:43:09 PM
Live Stats for tonight's YCP-UMW game:

http://faculty.ycp.edu/~sguise/mbb/xlive.htm
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbsquared on February 20, 2007, 07:55:22 PM
You're right Goonie. He's the big guy. Maybe he'll stivk it out and be able to play next year when they will need some help inside.  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbsquared on February 20, 2007, 08:16:34 PM
7 of first 9 shots by Mary Wash are missed three pointers. York up 9-0 after 3 minutes.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MuMu on February 20, 2007, 08:16:43 PM
I took MaryWash no matter who gets hurt!

Matt,
No one thought we would be where were at so sky's the limit!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on February 20, 2007, 08:32:38 PM
york got up early now trailing 27-21 just under 5 left in the first half
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on February 20, 2007, 08:45:01 PM
some how york is down 38-32 while shooting 50%,  12 turnovers doesn't help.  If you told me lee and fitzgerald would only have 3 total points coming in i would say york would be up by a lot but a very undisplined first half.

Lots of fouls for york as well within the starting lineup.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 20, 2007, 08:53:17 PM
CUA manhandled SAL tonight... 79-59.

Don't have the details... but know Dwyer, Wasilenko, Wheeler, and Fumai all had big nights.... and the team had hardly any TO's.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 20, 2007, 08:57:00 PM
Posting this for Salem, VA (and posted it on the Landmark page):

Salem... considering I post and read many sites and boards... I assure you I will not be leaving the CAC board!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MuMu on February 20, 2007, 09:14:12 PM
Any scores from the Verizon?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on February 20, 2007, 09:19:05 PM
MW built a quick 14 point lead to start the half but York has gotten to within 2, 57-55 with about 9 to go
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 20, 2007, 09:19:31 PM
You are dreaming if you think you are going to even get a final from the Verizon... unless someone digs it up some where. They aren't going to post anything - even on their site (here's hoping I am wrong!).
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 20, 2007, 09:20:31 PM
By the way... York radio if anyone is interested:
http://fm.ycp.edu:8000/listen.pls
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 20, 2007, 09:28:53 PM
York has been down... MOST of the game and as high as 12 points or more from what I have seen.

But they now have the lead 64-60 with 5:14 left in the game.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MuMu on February 20, 2007, 09:34:34 PM
how did Mary wash piss that lead away?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on February 20, 2007, 09:35:35 PM
lots of missed shots...

72-68 mary wash with 3 to play

chad with 4 fouls
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MuMu on February 20, 2007, 09:36:04 PM
CAC player of the year read the scouting report,
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MuMu on February 20, 2007, 09:37:15 PM
Why not a 1-3-1 form York?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on February 20, 2007, 09:39:25 PM
73-71 mary wash

2:12 to play

Chad is getting the help in the 2nd half he has needed all year...when they surround him the Spartans are better.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MuMu on February 20, 2007, 09:43:33 PM
Mike Lee hits game winner,
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on February 20, 2007, 09:44:22 PM
75-75

16 seconds left
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ex_mu14 on February 20, 2007, 09:45:20 PM
77-58 St.Mary's over MU with five minutes to go....
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on February 20, 2007, 09:46:48 PM
matt hale hits game winner

78-75 mary wash

Thank you Joe Yeck, Brad Zerifang, and Shane Beccio for a great career
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on February 20, 2007, 09:48:01 PM
wait on that tech foul by mary wash

78-76

york ball 1 second
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 20, 2007, 09:49:23 PM
Hale hits a very deep three with .2 left. Mary wash runs onto the court, gets a t
Yeck splits a pair and york has the ball with .2 down two
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cuabigdog on February 20, 2007, 09:50:14 PM
UMW up 78 -76 with 3/10 of sec left ..inbound from half court
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MuMu on February 20, 2007, 09:50:27 PM
Exmu 14 whatttt???? Change seats or something

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MuMu on February 20, 2007, 09:51:32 PM
the games over
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ex_mu14 on February 20, 2007, 09:52:46 PM
So much for the 4th seed and home court for MU....

Hopefully, Mike Gray has earned the respect of league coaches and makes first team all cac...
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MuMu on February 20, 2007, 09:54:13 PM
Exmu,
is the game over??
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on February 20, 2007, 09:54:37 PM
game over spartans had a chance....good luck mary wash

Yeck, Zeri, and Beccio a combined 70-18 over there last three years.  2 Regular season titles, a final four berth, 2 ncaa berths and overall a great group of guys.  Thanks guys for a great run
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cuabigdog on February 20, 2007, 09:57:35 PM
dispite some very questionable  officiating  during the second half of the CUA --SU game the cards held on for a twenty point victory tonite.. with 9:37 to go in the game Salisbury received their second team foul  of the half compared to 8 for CUA.. Forgive me if i am incorrrect but i find it very questionalble that any team can play 11 mins like that and only receive 1 team foul... CUA will host UMW on thurs. at the DuFour Centre in the 2nd roud of the CAC's
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MuMu on February 20, 2007, 10:03:03 PM
They had a great run
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 20, 2007, 10:10:06 PM
Quote from: cuabigdog on February 20, 2007, 09:57:35 PM
dispite some very questionable  officiating  during the second half of the CUA --SU game the cards held on for a twenty point victory tonite.. with 9:37 to go in the game Salisbury received their second team foul  of the half compared to 8 for CUA.. Forgive me if i am incorrrect but i find it very questionalble that any team can play 11 mins like that and only receive 1 team foul... CUA will host UMW on thurs. at the DuFour Centre in the 2nd roud of the CAC's
In a 20 point win... there should be a rule (and I think most of us do have unwritten one) that no comment is allowed about officiating. Your winning by 20... quite complaining!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MuMu on February 20, 2007, 10:17:57 PM
I like that rule! Its catholic fans we just need to understand that
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 20, 2007, 10:20:16 PM
I wouldn't say CUA fans are the ones that need to learn it.... many people do. And that is the first time I have seen a CUA fan take a shot at the refs in a blow out.

Mumu... was actually thinking we would see the Saints in the semis... thought they had solved the problems. Granted you played another team that seemed to solve its problems (at least temporarily)... maybe next year! The Saints at least made me think they have potential... but will they lose to much for next year?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 20, 2007, 10:20:52 PM
Well, I'll damn well complain when I got guys potentially getting hurt in a blowout because the officials don't have any control.   That's when its okay to complain.

Unless I missed it, the only score we don't have is Goucher-Hood.  Go figure.

There's a LOT that happened tonight at DuFour.  The score indicates that it was a snoozer, but it was not, thanks to a good old fashioned Marymount-style melee in the stands.  I'll post up some details and thoughts on the game in a few.

Meanwhile, I'm STUNNED that York couldn't get it done at home.  WOW.  Can't wait to read the game story and figure out what happened.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 20, 2007, 10:22:22 PM
Quote from: Dave "d-mac" McHugh on February 20, 2007, 10:20:16 PM
I wouldn't say CUA fans are the ones that need to learn it.... many people do. And that is the first time I have seen a CUA fan take a shot at the refs in a blow out.

But not the first time we've seen bigdog make a post that makes absolutely no sense.  :-\
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 20, 2007, 10:26:39 PM
LOL... yes... not the first and certainly won't be the last... better warn the Landmark posters :)!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cuabigdog on February 20, 2007, 10:32:20 PM
being very judgemental i feel coming from some one who wasn't even at the game that i know of .... the refs lost complete control of the game ... like it or not thats the way i feel,, no need to put down someone for stating his opinion...
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 20, 2007, 10:40:07 PM
Found the Goucher-Hood score (thanks to the Goucher website!):
82-72 Hood... congrats to the Blazers for reaching the 20-win plateau for the first time in school history.

Coach Dickman certainly is coach of the year! And Ryan Jughans could make an arguement for player of the year (nothing against McGowan). Heck of a season that continues...

As for Goucher... thanks to James Russo, Pierre Thomas, Cameron Brown, and John SIcherman on their careers (baring they don't return). Russo certainly brought a lot of excitement and one of my favorite names to announce in 12 years. Thomas showned a lot of passion and it was good to see him return. Brown has a heck of a story... left and became a police officer... but decided to return to get his degree - he showed a lot of improvement this year and was a joy to watch. And Sicherman was wonderful to watch compete. He might have been too short at forward for years or not your prototypical guard... but one thing I appreciated was the fact he always tried... played his heart out... never quit... and always did what he could and what was asked of him... without complaint.

On to the semis!

Oh... and bigdog... thanks for proving Pat's point!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on February 20, 2007, 10:57:48 PM
St. Mary's 89 Marymount 76 -- or something like that
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MuMu on February 20, 2007, 11:08:25 PM
Goucher putting the stats up ending the season on a good note.

MU loses a Great group of seniors that I sweated with as well as some roadtrips, and fun spring breaks with. from here on out these are Coach MAC own recuirting class. Mike Grey and Fred Stanback returns.

I hope Mwash wins the CAC!

Matt what happen in the stands?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 20, 2007, 11:11:27 PM
I'm on baby duty for a while.  When my little guy calms himself, I'll post.  There was a pretty big fracas though and the game had to be stopped and the players taken off the court.  Couple dumb but harmless Catholic guys, Odumeru and a bunch of ridiculous Salisbury thugs who stormed across the court were involved.

Catholic played a nice complete game again tonight...
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MuMu on February 20, 2007, 11:18:52 PM
Matt your a funny dude, thugsss and dumb cua fans, i cant wait to here this one..

Pat I like your post about CUABIGDOG, thank god you have not read any of my post.haha
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 20, 2007, 11:23:14 PM
Quote from: cuabigdog on February 20, 2007, 10:32:20 PM
being very judgemental i feel coming from some one who wasn't even at the game that i know of .... the refs lost complete control of the game ... like it or not thats the way i feel,, no need to put down someone for stating his opinion...

Doesn't mean it is necessary to complain about refs in a 20-point win. Think of the image you present.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MuMu on February 20, 2007, 11:30:33 PM
hahaha
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: andre james smith on February 20, 2007, 11:44:14 PM
Wow... great game at York tonight, one of the best CAC games I have been to.  York jumped out big early, but UMW weathered the storm and played some great pressure deep and fast paced offense the rest of the first half to really throw York out of their game by forcing turnovers and keeping the ball away from McGowan.  They stretched their lead in the second by starting to knock down some threes, but York made a good run (plenty of questionable foul calls included) to take a 4 point lead with 5:30 left.  AJ and Justin each made a clutch three and the Eagles never trailed again.  
Matt Hale showed why he is the true SOY in the CAC this season.  We were sitting behind the bench and he really wants the ball in pressure shots and he delivered, he's an exciting kid to watch.
Looking forward to one more battle between the Eagles and the Cardinals in DC.  I know Catholic is on a roll right now, but the Eagles had a look in their eyes tonight that I haven't seen in awhile and I don't think they are going to play like they did last Saturday at Dufour.  It should be another close one but I have the feeling that Mdubs can win this thing....
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: andre james smith on February 20, 2007, 11:51:28 PM
On a side note, a couple fans/ supposed officials at York were pretty rediculous tonight.  First we werent allowed to chant defense and kick on the bleachers, only stomp.  Then we couldnt stomp on the stairs.  Then the York cheerleaders handed out free shirts to us and we put them on the floor and were stomping on them and were threatened to be kicked out again.  Pretty sore losers over there who apparently think that we are at a 3rd grade basketball game.  Maybe we should have chanted "2-4-6-8 who do we appreciate after the game. 

Anyways, great win on the road for the Eagles... Go HOOD!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: hoodfan on February 21, 2007, 12:03:34 AM
As DMac posted earlier Hood won 82-72. Balanced scoring helped the Blazers as 4 of 5 starters reached double figures. Gutekunst only starter not to reach double figures with 7 points, but he pulled down 17 boards. Junghans 22, Robine 18, Abercrombie 17, and Edmonds 14. Balanced attack for Hood tonite. Hood led at half 32-30, and started in a zone for the second half and slowed Goucher down a little. Ruuso got his 3rd foul early in the 2nd half, and sat for awhile. Russo played well in the first half, and when he went out Hood was able to extend their lead a little.

I really like Pierre Jones for Goucher. I have seen him play against Hood a couple of times, and watched him in the Pride of MD tourney at beginning of season. Against Hood this year he has gotten 20 or more in all 3 games they've played this year. Tonite he had 22 points, 10 boards. What do my fellow posters think of him in relation to all conference selections?  Based on how he's played against Hood this season, I'd give him first team, but have not seen him play against anyone else.

Congratulations to the Blazers on their 1st CAC conference tourney win. Got the SeaHawks on Thursday. Hood has been developing a pretty good following as the season has progressed, should be a good crowd on hand as there won't be any High School games competing with the Blazers on Thurs. night
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 21, 2007, 12:42:05 AM
Ok, well all in all in a was an eventful evening at Catholic tonight.  I'll get to the game itself, but first, the "melee."

Basically what happened was that there was a tough out of bounds play in the far corner of the gym.  Left side across from the scorer's table.  The official standing there blew the call, and a couple of the students there jumped up and starting arguing.  Now that's a tight spot down there.  These guys did not cross the court, but they did startle the official and he stopped and wanted them ejected.  I can understand that.  They overreacted.  So they start the process of having them tossed.  As that's happening, the officials start walking away.  At that point, Salisbury's Odumeru turned around, went over to some of these guys' buddies, and they got into it, the end result of which was Odumeru pushing one of them into the bleachers.  The officials all had their backs turned and didn't see a thing.

Well, that contact prompted an eruption from the other side of the court.  All a sudden these three big dudes just come hopping out of the stands and run clear across the court to where Odumeru was, and they start getting into it.  At that point, Campus Police had arrived and had pretty much restored order, so these big guys take a seat over there.  It seems like everything is over.

The officials go ahead and restart the game, which was an inbounds play at that spot.  As soon as they do, those same guys that ran across the court go down to the front row and just totally start a brawl.  They went after whoever it was that got into it with Odumeru, and then all hell broke loose.  More people came over from the other side of the court, security came running, the CUA athletics department staff went running over there, etc.   The officials pulled both teams off the court, and they went over to their bench area.

Now, the CUA fans were furious that Odumeru got away with pushing a Catholic student.  The guys over there overreacted to begin with, but it was typical college basketball harmless stuff.  What escalated the whole situation was the Salisbury player either taking the bait or just being aggressive and going over there to get into it.  In my view, a player can never let that happen and needs to remove himself from the situation.  Then you had these goons from central casting come barrell-assing across the court.  How and why the officials let that happen without having them removed from the gym is beyond me--what did they THINK was going to happen with those guys now sitting over in the Catholic student section?

Keep in mind also, frankly, this was a lousy crowd for CUA.  Not a lot of students.  Not a rowdy gym--pretty sedate actually, until this point.  So its not like people had been going after each other all game and tempers were flaring.  Odumeru should have been ejected for going into the stands, the Catholic students that originally startled the ref should (and were ejected), and the goons from Salisbury should have been ejected for running across the court.  In reality, nothing happened to Odumeru, and the Salisbury thugs weren't tossed until after the second fight.

Now, the game itself was well played by Catholic.  Williams did get 21, but on 24 shots.  They played great team defense, and as a result Salisbury just quit running plays and played a lot of one on one.  Basically it came down to either Williams driving to the lane for a tough angle shot, or somebody taking a bad jumper.

On the offensive end, Catholic had 21 assists and an incredible 21-4 assist/turnover ratio.  It as the return of Fumai as he was dead on with some huge shots and got 26 with 14 boards.  The other standout for me was Waslienko--he played like one of the best pgs in the CAC, which he IS by the way--13 points, 10 assists, 1 turnover.

After the fight, Salisbury was totally dead.  They didn't hit a shot for a couple minutes and they were totally unglued.  Up until that point, the fouls were almost all called on Catholic, but Salisbury started getting very rough and physical and thus drew some whistles.  The officials had let way too much of that go on, particulary underneath the basket.  As BigDog said, 9 minutes into the second half the fouls were 7-1 for Salisbury.  There's not any point in my going into a dissertation on why that's crazy, but it was what it was and I think it certainly led to the game getting a bit out of hand.  And then you had a situation with the game winding down where you start to fear that somebody's going to get hurt.

So anyway, back come the Eagles.  This is going to be very interesting, I KNOW we are going to get a better Eagles team and Mary Wash's best shot.   But Catholic really is playing good basketball now, even making their free throws (15-17 in the 2nd half).  Should be a great game.

Looking at the box score, I still can't figure out how Mary Wash won.  Sure, 3 points, but that was 42 points.  York won every other category, dominating some.  Huh.  Well, CUA's going to have to really pound the ball and defend the 3.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Cardinal guy on February 21, 2007, 12:59:48 AM
Wait -- a Salisbury player pushing someone from Catholic? That NEVER happens!

Thank goodness we're getting out of this league.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 21, 2007, 01:09:39 AM
First, before I get into anything about the game. Addressing ajs comments. There was a small, but very boistrious group of classless Mary Washington fans. Most of their fans were fine but some of them were real pieces of work. To call the York people sore losers is ridiculous. Mary Washington won the game fair and square. We feel bad for our seniors who had their careers ended. That's it. I don't think anyone enjoys having their season ended. There are a number of other classless actions by a few members of the Mary Washington contingency but I really don't feel like going into it tonight. It's not worth it. We lost, you won. Congrats.

Also, amazing how in 16 home games this year, that group of Mary Washington fans are the only people that have been trouble during the year. Maybe a look in the mirror is necessary.

As for the game, it really came down to one thing for York. The inability to keep Mary Washington from getting huge offensive rebounds. The Eagles had 11 first half offensive rebounds and fired off 12 more shots than York. Also, ajs, you want to complain about the refs yet the foul discrepency was 10-5 in the first half. Odd for a team that rarely goes to the basket to draw ten fouls in the first half while a team that does go to the basket draws just five. Curious. Amazing how blinded fans can get by their team colors. The officiating had no bearing on the outcome of the game. They were pretty consistent and called fouls on both sides. It certainly isn't the reason we lost or you won.

The biggest play of the game came when York was up 64-60 and Baker was at the line for a one-and-one with about 5:30 left. Baker misses the free throw and Whitworth (I believe) hustles to get an offensive rebound. That leads to a Fitzgerald three followed by a Baker three and a four point lead turns into a two point deficit. The Spartans were really starting to play well and a defensive rebound on the free throw miss keeps the four point lead intact with the chance to add on. Now, six points against Mary Washington is just two posessions but the momentum was clearly on the side of York.

With the game tied at 75, the Eagles call time out with 16 seconds left. The Spartans do a great job of defending the Eagles play and Hale has to "settle" for about a 26 to 27 foot three that draws nothing but net. That kid plays like the Grumbacher is his home away from home. He won the game for the Eagles in the first meeting with some clutch free throw shooting. Hats off to Hale, he hit a tough shot with Joe Yeck defending him pretty well. You don't really expect someone to make a bomb like that to win the game.

With .2 left, one Eagle ran onto the floor prompting the technical foul. It really didn't make a difference because the three point advantage. Even if we make both free throws you only have time for a tap from the far end of the floor.

Congrats to Spartan seniors Brad Zerfing and Joe Yeck. They have fashioned a four-year record of 80-33 including a mark of 69-18 over the final three years of their career. To win 16 games on a team that had basically three players who played the year before is a huge accomplishment. This year will serve as a great bridge between NCAA tournament teams and the future which is extremely bright for YCP.

I will watch the remainder of the CAC men's tournament from afar. I hope all the games are as exciting as tonight's game was. It was two good teams going after each other for 40 minutes. Just what a good college basketball game should be. Good luck to all four remaining teams.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 21, 2007, 01:12:10 AM
By the way, the box score is here:

http://www.ycp.edu/sports/mens_basketball/2006/YCPMBB26.HTM
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cugrad on February 21, 2007, 06:50:27 AM
Is it OK to mention that the officiating was good during Catholic's home losses to Goucher and Gallaudet. Who is anybody on this site to tell someone their post is dumb? Are you kidding me? I don't post too much, but I have been reading this site since Maloney played for Catholic. You can't imagine the volume of garbage that I have read over the years. I would never make a derogatory comment like the ones made by Mr. Coleman and other posters. Mr. Coleman, don't you think that a comment like the one you made may cause a poster not to post? Is that what you want for this site? Do you want to drive people away? Both you and D-Mac are affiliated with this site, and you should act with some degree of professionalism. 

What has been stated about the officiating at Catholic last night is quite accurate. They lost complete control of the situation. It is a crime that Odumero was not ejected! I sat 15 feet from where this took place. I almost got crushed as the "melee" came toward the stands. I had to get up and move rather quickly. This kind of poor officiating should, indeed, be talked about. 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ex_mu14 on February 21, 2007, 08:17:43 AM
Why stuff like this always happen at CUA????
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 21, 2007, 08:23:16 AM
Well the problem is that in this case, some of the posters were too quick to jump on somebody without knowing what really happened at the game.  I'm sure that they would now agree that perhaps it was appropriate to bring up the officiating when you have a situation like that.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ex_mu14 on February 21, 2007, 08:45:12 AM
True, its not the officials job to control the crowd. I think all schools should have security at the games for the safety of the players, fans and officials..
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 21, 2007, 08:53:45 AM
I disagree Matt... a fight involving the fans and a player after everyone was jawing back and forth still does not give reason to critize the refs in a 20 point blow out for thier job overall in the game.

It would also be said that bigdog should be telling the whole story... not a small portion of it for everyone to try and understand.

Again... complaining about a 7-1 foul ratio in a 20 point blow out... which was the example given first... is ridiculous.

The fight... stupid! Did refs miss it? Obviously! But it is a COMPLETELY different issue regarding the refs overall for the game.

I stand by the rule... not allowed to critical of refs for their work in an entire game when you are blowing a team out. Being critical of how they handled that incident is understandable, but a poster better point it out as the example... not a foul descrepency (sp?).
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on February 21, 2007, 08:54:29 AM
First of all, finally we're getting some fire from the fans. It's good to get involved and emotional about these games. There huge.

Second, we all know the refs will make questionable calls. Being at the york/umw game, the refs did a very good job. york had a good 2nd half run and got to the line alot which is directly correlated to the fact that the game was heating up and they were down double digits and needed to pick up the aggressiveness, etc.

Third, no one called the YCP Spartans sore losers. They played a great game, if McGowan hadn't gotten his fourth foul about midway through the 2nd half, we could be talking a different game. Hell, YCP made their run WITHOUT him on the court. So there is no need to take things personally.

Fourth, since when is traveling 3.5 hrs through dc/balt rush hour to see your team classless. Of the fans there: no one cussed, threatened physical harm, racial slurs, etc. We cheered "defense", "lets go Eagles" we stomped the ground, we copied YCP FT cheer (we spelled out the FT shooters namewhile they were at the line....oohhooh, scary..) and used it against them. After a questionable call, we chanted "Homer" to the ref for calling for the home team. People did take offense to the fans who cheered "defense" and stomped their YCP shirts and stopped when an unidentified person said that was disrespectful but seriously, classless? Far from it. We talked to the YCP cheerleaders after the game and they commented on how loud and cheerful we were...in a good way. We hung out with a YCP student and talked the game. Funny how everyone that said the few Eagle fans were "classless" and dont say what they did?!? We were louder than the whole York gym, so I guess we're open to more scrutiny. Heck, Gandalf wasn't even there, no drums, no trombones. So, YCP, please don't call out people for being classless.

Anyways, Thursday's match up should be great. CUA is hot and UMW's seniors are focusing at the right time. I'm sure their won't be any fights, etc. But Matt, etc. get some fans in there - games are much better in a packed house.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on February 21, 2007, 09:06:42 AM
Yes, Hale is very good long range and he'll be around for 2 more years after this.
But with him, it's all about the "I want it late in the game" factor.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cugrad on February 21, 2007, 09:15:18 AM
My biggest concern is not the talk about officiating, but rather the childish comments by some on this board. I, too, look forward to Thursday's game with Mary Wash. Should be a great one!

GO CARDS!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 21, 2007, 10:20:17 AM
Quote from: ex_mu14 on February 21, 2007, 08:17:43 AM
Why stuff like this always happen at CUA????

Well, probably because we always get everybody's best shot, and when certain teams and fans lack discipline and get frustrated they do stupid things.

In actuality though, the only other time I've ever seen anything like this was after a Marymount game a few years ago, when there were some fan incidents like this.  I've never seen a player go after a fan, and I've never seen fans rush across the court.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 21, 2007, 10:25:39 AM
Quote from: Dave "d-mac" McHugh on February 21, 2007, 08:53:45 AM
I disagree Matt... a fight involving the fans and a player after everyone was jawing back and forth still does not give reason to critize the refs in a 20 point blow out for thier job overall in the game.

It would also be said that bigdog should be telling the whole story... not a small portion of it for everyone to try and understand.

Again... complaining about a 7-1 foul ratio in a 20 point blow out... which was the example given first... is ridiculous.

The fight... stupid! Did refs miss it? Obviously! But it is a COMPLETELY different issue regarding the refs overall for the game.

I stand by the rule... not allowed to critical of refs for their work in an entire game when you are blowing a team out. Being critical of how they handled that incident is understandable, but a poster better point it out as the example... not a foul descrepency (sp?).

But you can't view the game in a vacuum like that!  If you let things get out of hand on the court, its not surprising it spills over into the stands.  This game had spiraled out of control at the point when they fight occured.  The Salisbury players were playing WAY too physical and nothing was being called.  They were pumped up and they weren't in control, and they were getting away with murder.  You can't tell me that didn't lead to this sort of outburst.

Then, the fight itself was just unbelieveable.  Ordered was restored, sure, but you can't let a player got into the stands and physically get involved with somebody else.  You just can't.  What you are saying to me is that if the NBA officials who did the Pacers-Pistons game last year had not ejected the players who went into the stands, then I wouldn't be justified in saying they did a poor job at that game.

Had the fight not occured, I would have thought that they were bad, but I wouldn't be making an issue of it here on this board for precisely the reason you mentioned--it was a big win for Catholic.  But at the point when those same officials not only did a piss poor job officiating, but also failed to eject a player for fighting with a fan AND didn't have fans ejected who stormed across the court, well, I'm sorry--those guys deserve to get buried.  They didn't do their jobs.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: andre james smith on February 21, 2007, 11:09:23 AM
Matt,
  I have personally been physically threatened several times and had possessions stolen from me at CUA/UMW games at Dufour by CUA students.  I have no idea what happened last obviously and am not placing blame on anyone at all, just speaking from experience... not a sermon, just a thought.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 21, 2007, 11:16:28 AM
MWCGoonie,
I should clarify my comments. I thought the majority of the UMW fans were great. They were good fans. My classless comment came from some of the behavior of their adult fans. I give a pass to the college aged fans but the way two of your adults acted was embarrassing. I didn't go into detail because in the big picture it had nothing to do with the outcome of the game. Mary Washington played well last night and, ultimately, made one more play than York.
I was not happy that we lost and their behavior really rubbed me the wrong way. Nothing you are going to say is going to change what I saw with my own eyes.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 21, 2007, 11:27:24 AM
Quote from: andre james smith on February 21, 2007, 11:09:23 AM
Matt,
  I have personally been physically threatened several times and had possessions stolen from me at CUA/UMW games at Dufour by CUA students.  I have no idea what happened last obviously and am not placing blame on anyone at all, just speaking from experience... not a sermon, just a thought.

Yes, and Catholic students have had the same experience at Mary Washington.  Of course, we also had a player threatened by your AD, but that's a different story.

But none of the past-CUA-MW skirmishes were like this.  No players in the stands, nobody actually physically pushing people around, etc.  Sounds like last night's YCP-UMW game was a similar atmosphere to what CUA-UMW has been in the past.  We didn't have that at Catholic last night--we had a fairly sedate affair going until 7:00 or so left in the game when things got out of control.  There were not many Salisbury fans in the first place, and the ones that were there were either somebody's parents or somebody's "crew."

Anyway, in all the excitement I failed to note that with last night's victory, Catholic notched its TENTH consecutive 20 win season (I said it would be 9 yesterday, but as I've previously noted, math is not my strong suit).  A remarkable decade-long run and a great achievement for the program.  Other schools are able to put together a run with a particularly good class, but Catholic's been able to sustain it with continued good players and coaching. 

All that being said--now they have to beat the Eagles again! Playing for the second time in  a week is a challenge--I always feel like the team that lost has a little advantage there.  But I can't imagine the game plans will be much different for either team.  Mary Washington has smart, veteran players though and I'm sure they'll try to make some adjustments.  I don't know that you can say their seniors are getting "hot" at the right time, unless you define "hot" as one win following two losses, but the fact that they did beat York at York and they were the favorites at the beginning of the year sets this thing up pretty nicely.

I hope there is a good crowd--a BETTER crowd than last night.  I know Tuesday is a big night for classes--even I had to miss a first round playoff game my senior year--but Mary Wash is usually a pretty good draw so I think it will be a good atmosphere.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on February 21, 2007, 11:40:51 AM
Anyways, Thursday's match up should be great. CUA is hot and UMW's seniors are focusing at the right time. I'm sure their won't be any fights, etc. But Matt, etc. get some fans in there - games are much better in a packed house.

I said CUA is hot and the UMW seniors are focusing at the right time. So - there ya go, but thanks for pointing out that we won at york after two losses.

You're right on the crowd atmosphere, me being one of the few CAC fans that go to away games, YCP/MW game last night was familiar in that fans and players were affected by our cheering. Good.

YCP - fine. We can leave it at that. Everyone is entitled to their opinions.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on February 21, 2007, 11:46:45 AM
Oh, and I posted my rules of cheering almost exactly one year ago for the same reason:

As a fan, and i attend many games and often engage in heckling, there a few rules to abide by. These rules are just plan moral common sense and keeps cheering for your team and heckling within the competitive arena:

1. No racial/sexual/disability jabs
2. After the game, leave the refs alone.
3. Fans can cheer for their team, against/for refs, and against/for other teams, fans should not be threatening to fight opposing team's fans, etc. Just not classy.
4. Opposing fans, after the game, leave the game on the court/in the stands. Many times after games with heated cheering, I've ending talking with the opposing team's fans and talking about good/funny cheers for either side.
5. For current students, if you're going to arrive with a measurable BAC, try to kep in perspective that your cheering may be offensive/go over the line with some fans (especially with children, etc) in the crowd.




-8, wow. made it back! Woop! Andre, we built ourselves quite the rep!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ex_mu14 on February 21, 2007, 12:14:39 PM
From Matt's point of view, CUA fans and students would never do such a thing......It takes two to fight...

The Marymount thing started when the CUA students stole our mascot head during the game. They were passing the mascot head through the CUA student section....No players were involved in that though.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 21, 2007, 12:55:11 PM
Yes, I'm pretty confident in saying that CUA fans and students would never run across the court DURING a basketball game and then start throwing people around the bleachers.

The "Marymount" thing I'm talking about ended with DC Police hauling away a couple of scary looking dudes who looked they were concerned with things a lot more serious than a mascot head.  I was never sure what that was all about, but I suspect it didn't have anything to do with basketball and was more like a skirmish between rival groups that happened to be at that game.

FWIW, goonie's ground rules make a lot of sense.  I think you probably need to add "religion" to #1, other than that I agree.

For players, there's one big one--don't get into it with fans.  I'm not talking about the kind of good natured stuff that went on between Dickman and the Eagle fans, but players should not be going into the stands or making obscene gestures.  They need to be above what's happening in the crowd.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on February 21, 2007, 01:05:49 PM
1. No racial/sexual/disability/religion jabs
2. After the game, leave the refs alone.
3. Fans can cheer for their team, against/for refs, and against/for other teams, fans should not be threatening to fight opposing team's fans, etc. Just not classy.
4. Opposing fans, after the game, leave the game on the court/in the stands. Many times after games with heated cheering, I've ending talking with the opposing team's fans and talking about good/funny cheers for either side.
Same for players, keep your actions and head on the court.
5. For current students, if you're going to arrive with a measurable BAC, try to kep in perspective that your cheering may be offensive/go over the line with some fans (especially with children, etc) in the crowd.



Good additions.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on February 21, 2007, 01:37:28 PM
Congrats to UMW's Justin Baker for being named a Top 10 Finalist for the Josten's Trophy! ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 21, 2007, 01:57:40 PM
Quote from: cugrad on February 21, 2007, 09:15:18 AM
My biggest concern is not the talk about officiating, but rather the childish comments by some on this board. I, too, look forward to Thursday's game with Mary Wash. Should be a great one!

I stand by my comments. As a Catholic grad I would hope I'm allowed to be concerned about how other Catholic fans make us look.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 21, 2007, 02:00:41 PM
Quote from: Dave "d-mac" McHugh on February 21, 2007, 08:53:45 AM
I stand by the rule... not allowed to critical of refs for their work in an entire game when you are blowing a team out. Being critical of how they handled that incident is understandable, but a poster better point it out as the example... not a foul descrepency (sp?).

Exactly! There's a difference between bitching and moaning about fouls (or as that poster has done, a justified lack of respect in the Top 25) and complaining about a player pushing fans and not being ejected.

One is actual news. The other is just whining!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 21, 2007, 02:15:18 PM
Well, I will admit he was definitely burying the lead there, yes....

To focus on something positive, Pat, are you aware of any other school that has/had a 10 year 20-win streak?  It seems to me that that's pretty noteworthy.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 21, 2007, 02:30:54 PM
There might be a couple but I can't name any in men's offhand. Southern Maine has won 20 games for 25-plus years in a row and Baldwin-Wallace just had an 11-year 20-win streak ended.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 21, 2007, 04:20:51 PM
Quote from: cugrad on February 21, 2007, 09:15:18 AM
My biggest concern is not the talk about officiating, but rather the childish comments by some on this board.
I stand by my comments and hope you aren't refering to them as childish. As a fan of this conference and one that has been impressed with CUA's basketball program for years... I am disappointed in the stories I hear about fans and the story about last night.

Quote from: Matt Letourneau on February 21, 2007, 02:15:18 PM
Well, I will admit he was definitely burying the lead there, yes....
Bury the lead? As a news/sports producer... I will tell you he NEVER mentioned the lead. The lead wasn't mentioned until I saw your posts.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 21, 2007, 04:31:57 PM
Quote from: cugrad on February 21, 2007, 06:50:27 AM
Is it OK to mention that the officiating was good during Catholic's home losses to Goucher and Gallaudet. Who is anybody on this site to tell someone their post is dumb? Are you kidding me? I don't post too much, but I have been reading this site since Maloney played for Catholic. You can't imagine the volume of garbage that I have read over the years. I would never make a derogatory comment like the ones made by Mr. Coleman and other posters. Mr. Coleman, don't you think that a comment like the one you made may cause a poster not to post? Is that what you want for this site? Do you want to drive people away? Both you and D-Mac are affiliated with this site, and you should act with some degree of professionalism. 

What has been stated about the officiating at Catholic last night is quite accurate. They lost complete control of the situation. It is a crime that Odumero was not ejected! I sat 15 feet from where this took place. I almost got crushed as the "melee" came toward the stands. I had to get up and move rather quickly. This kind of poor officiating should, indeed, be talked about. 
I have tried hard not to respond to this... but will say some short comments.
Pat I know acts with a tremendous degress of professinalism and I know I represent myself and my work on this site with professionalism. Just because we both feel comments are not necessary or appropriate is not unprofessional... and there are rules!

As for the "melee"... since when are refs responsible for the conduct OFF the court! Sure, Odumero pushed a fan. Yes, the refs apparently did miss it. However... that is certainly a situation that is not expected ever at a game... and when refs are dealing with something else, I can see how they may not notice the push (wish they had, thought). But... the fans running across the court and fights starting IN the stands are the responsibility of the athletic institution. Quite blaming the refs.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: andre james smith on February 21, 2007, 04:57:59 PM
Yeah Goonie, there is certainly no love for us on here... I guess people just can't handle us, whether it be in cyberspace or the sideline.

As for the game tomorrow, I look for UMW to play similar to how they did against York.  Full court pressure defense and pushing the ball on offense at all times.  It is no secret that UMW's strength is their guard play, and CUA's best bet against Mary Wash is to pound the ball inside.  If the Eagles can get Catholic out of their ryhthm on offense and make people take shots that they are not used to taking and rebound the misses, I think they will be in good shape.  It can really wear on a team to be pressed all night long, whether or not is produces tons of turnovers.  10 assists and only one tunover last night for Wasilenko is pretty impressive.  Mary Wash will have to stay in his face in order throw him off his game a little.

If UMW can shoot decent from 3 and keep the rebounding close, I think they have all the intangibles to pull off another "upset" and continue on.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: HopeConvert on February 21, 2007, 05:28:14 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 21, 2007, 01:57:40 PM
Quote from: cugrad on February 21, 2007, 09:15:18 AM
My biggest concern is not the talk about officiating, but rather the childish comments by some on this board. I, too, look forward to Thursday's game with Mary Wash. Should be a great one!

I stand by my comments. As a Catholic grad I would hope I'm allowed to be concerned about how other Catholic fans make us look.

I second that sentiment. Whatever else is the case, it happened at the DuFour and it reflects on the university. I hate to read about this kind of behavior on Catholic's campus. Additionally (I hope this isn't violating rule 1), Catholic is a religious school and I would hope the basic tenets of the faith might manifest itself in how students behave, and how the administration responds to such behavior. I am not saying the CU fans are responsible (I'm just going off the reports I've read here), but neither are they without any culpability I suspect.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Cardinal guy on February 21, 2007, 05:35:14 PM
Unfortunately, Salisbury is not. Though I don't recall that helping us out when the Marymount fans came across the floor at us.

To the experts in the room--does the CAC get two teams in any possible outcome this year?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 21, 2007, 05:47:25 PM
Oh give me a break.  The problem here was Salisbury students and players.  There were a couple of riled up CUA fans.  Those fans were dealt with right away and ejected.  The incident was over until the Salisbury player and the Salisbury fans decided they wanted to start a fight.

I've been to many other gyms all around the league.  Security at CUA games is at least as tight, if not tighter, than anywhere I've ever been to.  Public safety officers are posted through the building.  It was BECAUSE OF that that they were able to break this thing up without anybody getting hurt.  If this had happened at a place like Goucher, where I've really not seen much of a security precense (I don't mean to single them out, just an example of a gym I was at recently), it would have been a lot worse. 

Here's the bottom line--most of you commenting weren't there and didn't see the situation.  Now you are choosing to focus on something OTHER than what they real problem was.  That's fine, but frankly I'm finding this discussion downright stupid so its really not worth my time to continue arguing. 

My point all along was that the biggest problem in all of this was that a basketball player for a CAC team crossed the line, went over the stands, and instigated a physical altercation with a fan. 


Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MuMu on February 21, 2007, 06:11:34 PM
I hope the Thugs showed the Catholic boys what they need to learn before the real world starts :)

Congrats to Baker!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 21, 2007, 06:23:58 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on February 21, 2007, 05:47:25 PM
Oh give me a break.  The problem here was Salisbury students and players.  There were a couple of riled up CUA fans.  Those fans were dealt with right away and ejected.  The incident was over until the Salisbury player and the Salisbury fans decided they wanted to start a fight.

I've been to many other gyms all around the league.  Security at CUA games is at least as tight, if not tighter, than anywhere I've ever been to.  Public safety officers are posted through the building.  It was BECAUSE OF that that they were able to break this thing up without anybody getting hurt.  If this had happened at a place like Goucher, where I've really not seen much of a security precense (I don't mean to single them out, just an example of a gym I was at recently), it would have been a lot worse. 

Here's the bottom line--most of you commenting weren't there and didn't see the situation.  Now you are choosing to focus on something OTHER than what they real problem was.  That's fine, but frankly I'm finding this discussion downright stupid so its really not worth my time to continue arguing. 

My point all along was that the biggest problem in all of this was that a basketball player for a CAC team crossed the line, went over the stands, and instigated a physical altercation with a fan. 
Matt - for starters... just because you didn't see security at Goucher, doesn't mean they weren't there. One security guard is always present at Goucher games... with a second usually at the gym or close-by. There are also event staff that are all around the court and near the court (something I don't see at CUA, but don't look for either) and there are senior event staff and senior members of the athletic department always on hand - at least four. I think Goucher has more security than anyone at games (though I think York has a lot, too.).

As for your point that it was just Salisbury fans... who set Odurmeru over the edge. A Salisbury fan? Probably not. Who started jawing at the refs? Salisbury fans in the CUA section? Probably not.

Now... did Salisbury fans then escalate things... most likey from what I am hearing. But don't sit there and pretend CUA fans didn't have anything to do with this. I think that is what angers many. It's blame other first... pretend we are perfect second.

It was a very unfortunet (sp?) incident that should never have happened. EVERYONE is to blame on all sides.

CUA fans pushed the limit... Odumeru over-reacted... Salisbury fans certainly crossed the line... and CUA administration didn't do enough the first time to eliminate a second scuffle. Plain and simple!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on February 21, 2007, 08:47:55 PM
are there any changes, increased security or anything, planned at CUA for tomorrow's tournament game with UMW in light of this mess at the CUA Salisbury game?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MuMu on February 21, 2007, 09:04:37 PM
did any one get any good punches in?

Wonder why Bill Walton has not be doing any games?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: HopeConvert on February 21, 2007, 10:19:15 PM
Again - I wasn't there, so any judgment I make has inherent limitations. No matter what is the case, however, it reflects badly on the school. And I can't believe the Catholic students had no culpability. The behavior of the Salisbury crowd interests me far less - I have no connection with them. I think "d-mac" hit the nail on the head.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 21, 2007, 10:36:04 PM
See, this is an example of you just reading what you want to read.  Starting with my friend D-Mac.  First word out of my mouth on this incident--go back and look--was that there was at least one Catholic fan that deserved to be ejected.  Did I not say that?  I said that these guys probably pushed the envelope too far.  Now, I was all the way across the court, so I don't know what they said.  But I do know that immediately, CUA Campus Police and the officials were all over this and that individual was removed from the game.

But that type of situation happens everywhere.  I've seen it everywhere.  I know they are at Goucher, I think every gym has security.  But one security guard and athletic department staff would not have even touched these guys.  CUA has multiple police officers at every game, and as soon as there was even a hint of trouble, a bunch more appeared at the door.   By the time this little incident occured, there were at least five officers present and they got over there very quickly.

That isn't the issue.  This was NEVER an unsafe situation because it was always under control.  The response was immediate.  But there's nothing that can be done to prevent that incident from happening short of playing in front of no fans.  Its up to fans to behave appropriately, and its up to players to behave appropriately.  The behavior I saw from those few isolated CUA fans is par for the course at York, at Mary Washington, and better than what I've seen at Marymount.  I've never really seen any fans that much care at Goucher or St. Mary's so I can't judge.   The behavior I saw from those Salisbury fans starting a fight is NOT what I've seen at those other players or at Catholic.

As far Odumeru--I don't know what set him over the edge, and I don't CARE.  Does anybody care why Ron Artest went flying into the stands in Detroit?  That's irrelevant.  If something inappropriate was said to him, than that should be addressed, but that's a completley seperate issue than a player instigating a physical alteration.

Are there any changes planned for tomorrow night? I should hope not.  That type of thing would NEVER happen at a CUA-UMW game.  Or a CUA-York game.  Or a CUA-Goucher game.  Simply comes down to who is in the crowd and what kind of discipline a coach has over their team.  If a Goucher player pulled a stunt like Odumeru, I doubt very much Coach Trevino would ever let him put on a uniform again.  A UMW player?  Coach Wood would kill him.  York? Forget it.  Catholic? Out of the question.

I love this even handedness. Lets pretend a kid sitting in the stands saying something dumb, whatever it was, is just as culpable as a player reaching into the stands and starting a fight.  Lets pretend a bunch of guys literally sitting there minding their own business--surrounded by adults---are just as culpable as a couple of goons who run across the court to start a fight.

Let's blame the administration.  Let's blame the fact that the CUA school color is red.  Maybe it enraged them.   And you know what? What kind of childhood did these Salisbury fans have? Did they get hugged enough? Everything ok at home? 

I mean, its much too simple to simply say that yeah, ok, a CUA fan or two crossed a line, shame on him, but you know, we really can't have players going into stands in this league--that's a lot worse.  And we also can't have fans starting fights unprovoked, lets place the bulk of blame on them.  No, no.  We can't have that.  Even though none of us were actually there and saw anything, lets just assume everybody's equally to blame.

Uh huh.

Now, I'm tired of this.  Anybody have anything to say about basketball?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 21, 2007, 10:55:27 PM
As much as I sympathize, I must mention that people did care about the fan Artest went into the stands after. He was banned from the arena afterwards, no?

There are probably better examples you could use there.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 22, 2007, 12:00:48 AM
Yeah, well, you get my point anyway.   From what I'm hearing from folks who were over there, people seem to be pretty baffled that Odumeru reacted to anything because in that area there really wasn't anything going on.  I should mention this was not the same spot where there was that initial incident anyway, it was further down.  There were not very many students there, mostly adults. And people I know personally--not the kind to get into it with a player.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on February 22, 2007, 12:42:48 AM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on February 21, 2007, 02:15:18 PM
To focus on something positive, Pat, are you aware of any other school that has/had a 10 year 20-win streak?  It seems to me that that's pretty noteworthy.

Matt-

The F&M men put together a 10-year streak of 20+ wins between 1986 and 1996.  Counting the year before it started, they made the "Sweet 16" in 10 of 11 years.  Unfortunately, the streak failed to produce a national title as it has for your Cards :-\.

Here's a link with records from the old F&M site if you're interested:
http://server1.fandm.edu/departments/Athletics/mbasket/rec_year.html

Best of luck to the CAC fans this week.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 22, 2007, 01:34:03 AM
Awesome.   F&M has always been that kind of quality program.

It seems like Catholic has the only ACTIVE streak of 10+ going. 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on February 22, 2007, 10:02:19 AM
There's a report that Gallaudet's accreditation may be at risk. See the Washington Post Web-site. Among other things, losing accreditation entails loss of Federal funds.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on February 22, 2007, 03:12:20 PM
if hood makes the cac champ game but loses, do the Blazers make the ncaa tourney? pool C just lost another bid, down to 18? I imagine they would. wishful thinking for an Eagles run...

Also, last #6 seed to make and win the cac champ game?


not to worry CUA, im not making predictions....however, it would be impressive for mw to beat ycp, cua, and hood all on the road......not sure it can happen...
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 22, 2007, 03:27:11 PM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/02/21/AR2007022101310.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/02/21/AR2007022101310.html)
THat is the link to the story about Gallaudet... if anyone wants to read it. Maybe the CAC doesn't have to worry about cutting to eight schools... it will happen on its own!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 22, 2007, 03:39:16 PM
That place is a mess.  This is probably more a of a warning shot to get them to get it in gear, but...what a fiasco.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbsquared on February 22, 2007, 07:35:16 PM
UMW up by 3 at the half at CUA. Sounds like a great game.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 22, 2007, 07:38:53 PM
http://livestats.prestosports.com/cua/mbkb/basketball.html

Live stats at the CUA/UMW game in case anyone wants to follow along!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Balder Eagle on February 22, 2007, 07:48:28 PM
GO EAGLES!!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbsquared on February 22, 2007, 08:25:18 PM
Huge CUA lead in offensive boards catapults them to a 4 point lead wuth 4 to go.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 22, 2007, 08:41:06 PM
Back and forth game at the DuFour Center... as I post UMW has a one point lead with 0:55 remaining!

And by the way... UMW has only five turnovers all game... CUA - 10!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 22, 2007, 08:52:03 PM
Looks from the live stats like a 69-67 win for CUA. Congrats Cards.

Can't really tell how it ended... looks a bit confusing on the live stats. Will look forward to hearing about it later!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbsquared on February 22, 2007, 09:02:49 PM
CUA wins the battle of the boards 50-32, but UMW wins the foul #'s 26-13. Inside game must have been working for the Cards.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 22, 2007, 09:06:34 PM
According to the St. Mary's site... Hood 92 SMC 76 - thought that would be closer.

CUA at Hood for the championship! I would say that CUA and Hood are probably both in the tournament no matter what. But the Pool C cut off on the QOWI keeps getting higher!

We need to see a new QOWI report to see if this is true!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: muchacho on February 22, 2007, 09:12:59 PM
Catholic gets in without a win this Saturday against Hood? I'm not up on what a team would need to get into the tourney with a Pool C in this region, but I think losses to Goucher and Gallaudet would make a negative impression on whoever is responsible for selecting the teams.
What other teams in this region from other conferences will be competing for Pool C bids?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 22, 2007, 09:16:13 PM
Man... could you please keep up with how this works. CUA's QOWI - Quality Of Wins Index - is actually HIGHER than Hood's. The losses to Goucher and Gallaudet did hurt... if they had been wins... CUA would be even higher and in better shape.

Also... those are two of only five regional losses. Hood has five regional losses but a lower QOWI. Regional losses and QOWI are the two most important parts of the selection process.

I suspect if Hood beats CUA... both get in.
If CUA beats Hood... Hood may be on a very small bubble!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 22, 2007, 09:21:13 PM
Just to help those of you who doesn't know about the QOWI - here is the most recently print out BEFORE tonight's games!

1   11.652   1   UW-Stevens Point   0.957 (22-1)   23-2
2   11.625   1   Amherst   0.958 (23-1)   24-1
3   10.950   2   Trinity (Conn.)   0.850 (17-3)   21-3
4   10.810   3   Worcester Polytech   0.905 (19-2)   21-2
5   10.708   4   Salem State   0.920 (23-2)   23-2
6   10.696   1   Chicago   0.818 (18-4)   20-4
7   10.667   1   Mississippi College   0.952 (20-1)   22-2
8   10.640   2   St. Thomas   0.880 (22-3)   22-3
9   10.600   1   Lake Erie   0.950 (19-1)   23-2
10   10.520   5   Rhode Island College   0.880 (22-3)   22-3
11   10.400   1   Brockport State   0.840 (21-4)   22-4
12   10.381   2   Washington U.   0.810 (17-4)   19-4
13   10.375   2   Virginia Wesleyan   0.875 (21-3)   22-3
14   10.333   3   Aurora   0.913 (21-2)   23-2
15   10.318   3   St. John's   0.864 (19-3)   19-6
16   10.292   2   St. Lawrence   0.792 (19-5)   20-5
17   10.261   1   Ramapo   0.783 (18-5)   19-7
18   10.250   4   Occidental   0.813 (13-3)   18-5
19   10.250   4   Augustana   0.833 (20-4)   20-5
20   10.238   3   DePauw   0.900 (18-2)   21-4
21   10.217   3   Rochester   0.739 (17-6)   17-7
22   10.217   6   Keene State   0.826 (19-4)   22-4
23   10.208   4   St. John Fisher   0.792 (19-5)   20-5
24   10.174   5   UW-Oshkosh   0.783 (18-5)   21-5
25   10.174   1   Johns Hopkins   0.864 (19-3)   21-4
26   10.136   2   John Carroll   0.727 (16-6)   17-8
27   10.125   7   Brandeis   0.750 (18-6)   18-6
28   10.105   2   Messiah   0.842 (16-3)   19-5
29   10.038   2   Stevens   0.808 (21-5)   21-5
30   10.000   4   Guilford   0.870 (20-3)   21-3
31   10.000   5   Averett   0.800 (16-4)   18-6
32   10.000   3   Catholic   0.792 (19-5)   20-5
33   10.000   4   Lincoln   0.786 (11-3)   17-7
34   10.000   3   Wooster   0.900 (18-2)   23-3
35   9.960   6   Mary Hardin-Baylor   0.840 (21-4)   21-4
36   9.909   6   Whitworth   0.864 (19-3)   22-3
37   9.905   7   Loras   0.810 (17-4)   19-6
38   9.900   4   Ohio Northern   0.700 (14-6)   19-6
39   9.875   5   Hood   0.792 (19-5)   20-6
40   9.870   5   New York University   0.783 (18-5)   19-5
41   9.870   6   Scranton   0.739 (17-6)   19-6
42   9.864   8   UW-La Crosse   0.727 (16-6)   18-7
43   9.800   3   Manhattanville   0.800 (20-5)   21-5
44   9.792   8   Bates   0.708 (17-7)   18-7
45   9.778   7   Centre   0.778 (14-4)   20-4
46   9.773   8   Maryville (Tenn.)   0.864 (19-3)   19-6
47   9.765   5   Hope   0.824 (14-3)   21-3
48   9.762   6   Hamilton   0.714 (15-6)   18-6
49   9.739   7   Alvernia   0.913 (21-2)   22-4
50   9.737   6   Westminster (Pa.)   0.842 (16-3)   18-7
51   9.708   9   Husson   0.875 (21-3)   21-5
52   9.652   4   New Jersey City   0.696 (16-7)   17-8
53   9.650   5   Elmhurst   0.750 (15-5)   19-5
54   9.636   9   McMurry   0.818 (18-4)   19-6
55   9.625   8   King's   0.708 (17-7)   17-8
56   9.529   9   Lewis and Clark   0.765 (13-4)   18-6
57   9.500   6   Carthage   0.650 (13-7)   16-8
58   9.500   7   Capital   0.667 (16-8)   16-8
59   9.476   8   Wittenberg   0.810 (17-4)   22-4
60   9.409   7   Grinnell   0.727 (16-6)   17-6
61   9.364   9   FDU-Florham   0.636 (14-8)   17-8
62   9.360   10   Tufts   0.600 (15-10)   15-10
63   9.348   7   Utica   0.739 (17-6)   18-6
64   9.346   11   Western New England   0.731 (19-7)   19-7
65   9.318   10   DeSales   0.727 (16-6)   18-7
66   9.316   8   Wheaton (Ill.)   0.632 (12-7)   16-8
67   9.300   5   Rowan   0.750 (15-5)   20-5
68   9.292   12   Babson   0.625 (15-9)   16-9
69   9.273   10   Greensboro   0.773 (17-5)   20-6
70   9.250   13   Bridgewater State   0.708 (17-7)   17-7

That is the Top 70. 59 make the tournament... and figure the cut point will be somewhere around 9.700... remember upsets in the Pool A conference tournaments will add very good teams to the Pool C group. Example... Guilford lost tonight (#30)... and Chicago (#6) and Wash U. (#12) still have to play each other to decide who gets in automatically and who gets the Pool C.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cuabigdog on February 22, 2007, 09:21:54 PM
congratulations to CUA on a hard fought victory tonite 69 --67 .. satrting out  down 5-0 and  down by as many as 12 at one point  the cards hung in there to pull off a very eXciting and well palyed game by both teams. UMW should hold their heads high as this game came down to the last shot and at no point did either team give up.. this was a very exciting game to be at  and i hope Sat  will prove to be just as exciting...

GO CARDS !!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: hoodfan on February 22, 2007, 10:10:26 PM
Hood 92 SM 76, Big games from Gutekunst (29pts, 22rebs) and Junghans (31 pts) lifted Hood to victory tonite. Close through out 1st half,  Hood gained some momentum at end of half to take a 5 point lead. Hood slowed the pace of the game in the 2nd half and slowly pulled away. SM had trouble connecting from 3 point land (5-26). Credit SM kids with handling themselves with class during and after the game.  SM really turned their season around after a rough beginning. Looking forward to a great final on Saturday. Hopefully it won't be the last game for either team
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cuabigdog on February 22, 2007, 10:34:29 PM
Patrick Dwyer's 20 points and 13 rebounds
and Stephen Wheeler's 16 points and 11 rebounds led Catholic University
to a 69-67 victory over the University of Mary Washington in the
Capital Athletic Conference semifinals at DuFour Center on Thursday.

    The second-seeded Cardinals (21-5) will play top-seeded Hood College
(21-6) at Thomas Johnson High School in Frederick, Md., on Saturday at
7 p.m. Scott Fumai added 15 points for Catholic, which overcame a
12-point deficit in the first half. It will be the Cardinals' eighth
straight appearance in the CAC championship game.

   Mary Washington (16-10) had a chance to win it with about three
seconds left but Justin Baker's 3-pointer from just outside the top of the
key hit the front of the rim. Teammate Matt Hale (12 points) collected
the rebound beyond the 3-point line but couldn't get off a good shot.
Baker finished with 20 points and 14 rebounds.

   The teams exchanged a late one-point lead four times in a little over
a minute. Fumai's two free throws gave the Cards a 68-67 lead with 52.4
seconds to go. Baker missed a baseline jumper at the 35-second mark,
Dwyer got the rebound and was fouled. He missed both free throws but
Stephen Papageorge grabbed the offensive rebound. Papageorge finished with
eight boards.

Catholic called its final two timeouts at the 29.9-second mark and Nick
Olivero accounted for the final margin by making the first of two foul
shots. The sophomore hit 5 of 6 from the line and finished with eight
points and five rebounds.

   Baker grabbed the rebound, brought the ball up court and never
relinquished it. The Eagles, with a timeout remaining, went into a four
corners offense and Baker was isolated on Dwyer. Had Dwyer played him too
tight, Baker would likely have tried to drive around him to the basket.
With Dwyer off Baker a couple steps, Baker launched his final 3-point
attempt. Hale chased down the ball and put up a weak shot with defenders
around him.

   The Cardinals out-rebounded Mary Washington, 50-32, and had 24
offensive boards. Dwyer had eight offensive rebounds. Fumai hit 7 of 8 free
throws.

   The Eagles led 27-15 on a 3-point play by Hale with 7:36 to play
before the break. Catholic answered with a 10-0 to cut the lead to two.
Baker ended the run with one of his two 3-pointers. He hit a layup 45
seconds later to put Mary Washington back up by seven. The Cards scored the
final four points of the half to trail by 32-29 at halftime.

   The Cardinals took a 62-56 lead on two Dwyer free throws with 4:03 to
go. They led 64-60 before Baker cut the margin to one on a 3-pointer
from the left corner. Jon Pierce (13 points) put the Eagles on top,
65-64, on two foul shots with 1:34 remaining. Olivero's two free throws put
Catholic ahead but Baker's driving jumper gave Mary Washington its
final lead, 67-66 with 1:15 left.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: andre james smith on February 22, 2007, 10:36:58 PM
Wow, another instant classic..... great effort by both teams.  The Eagles played their hearts out for the second straight game and gave it everything they had.  Mike, AJ, and Justin led the Eagles through 4 amazing years(3 for JB) and should hold their heads high.  It was a great game and both teams played really hard, of course there was some questionable officiating (it is the CAC of course),  26-13 personal fouls. i know CUA took it inside more, but UMW drove to the basket much more, so it should have been a little more even in that category.  Hale got HACKED in the last second, i dont care what you say about fouls not called in the last minute, the kicked got pummeled, dispute that and you are just plain wrong and weren't watching the game.  Goodluck to CUA and Hood in the finals  and whoever wins, represent the CAC.  I would also like to give some props to Wheeler and Dwyer.  My comrades and I have given the two of them some serious heckeling the past 4 years ( good hearted, yet rather spirited).  Both of them came up to us after the game outside and shook our hands and told us how we were great fans and how they appreciated how we rooted so hard UMW.  That was a classy move on their part and I respect them so much for that.

Now to the ugly..... My buddy didnt want to bring this up on here, but i feel like it has to be known..... Everyone at the game can attest to the fact that all us UMW fans were on our side cheering our team on the whole game.  With about 5 miuntes left, my friend went to use the restroom and was accosted by 3 CUA students IN THE BATHROOM STALL for being a UMW fan. They tore his clothing and swung at him while he was by HIMSELF.  He notified the CUA "security" of who did this and they went to talk to to them on the sidelines and said they "had in under control".  After the game, we were on our way out and the same kids started jawing at again and one CUA student spat on my friend and another one threw his LIT CIGARETTE at his face.  The "campus police" once again witnessed this and started questiioning the guilty CUA students and taking names.  After all was said and done, the Cua security was joking around with the lit cigarette kid and talking about how his brother lives on the same street as he does.  Pretty much an entire joke.  Officer Foley is in charge and gave me the investigating officers name so hopefully something comes of this.  I hope something comes of this and these coward thugs are brought to justice.

And yes I yelled at the CUA free throw shooters behind their bench at the end of the game after all of this went on, where I shouldnt be sitting, after all this was going on.... but yelling during the game is one thing, jumping someone 3on 1 in the bathroom is another thing.......
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 23, 2007, 12:16:21 AM
What a great game at DuFour tonight.   A fitting end to the Mary Washington-Catholic skirmishes over the last few years.  Basically, it all came down to this almost surreal moment, when Mary Washington had the ball, down two.  Baker playing point-forward, takes the ball down.  Everybody's set up in their positions.  Its Dwyer on Baker, two seniors and two of the most respected players in the league.  Somebody's going home.  Clock ticking down...8-7-6-5-4...Baker makes his move, fakes to one side, Dwyer doesn't bite, fakes to the other side, again, Dwyer stays his ground...Baker pulls up, takes the shot, Dwyer steps up to defend...the shot's on target...but Dwyer's defense was just enough to force Baker to alter the shot...front rim.  Ballgame.  Wow.

Sure, some of the Mary Washington fans are apparently going to whine about the ensuing rebounding free for all, which is pretty ridiculous to me.  It was a long rebound, the ball ends up way past the three point line, everybody on the court goes diving for.  Hale ends up with the ball, and he's on the floor.  As the buzzer goes off, he tries to chuck the ball up.  I guess they wanted a foul called.  But there's no crew in the country that would call that--I'm not sure even what they could have called.  Initially, it could have actually been a jump ball, since CUA players had their hands on the ball.  It could have been a travel, because Hale was on the floor.  If it was a foul, it could have been called on the floor going for the ball.  But, I mean--there's no way you can call a three point shooting foul there when you have a bunch of guys on top of each other and somebody chucks it up.

Overall, Mary Washington played a very, very good game.  Their energy  was great, they took care of the ball, and they played very good trap defense.  While Andre's upset at the free throw disparity, really Mary Washington got a ton out of the foul situation--Wasilenko fouled out with 5 minutes to go (yeah, questionable call because he fell down, they called a trip) and Fumai had 4 fouls with 7 or so to go.  Wasilenko not being on the court ended up giving Catholic fits on the inbound plays, coupled with Mary Washington's great trap. Fumai had to play off Baker down the stretch, allowing him to get some drives.  For some reason, with a minute left, Wood took off the trap but they did get some turnovers on it.

On the other end, though, Catholic's perimter defense was awesome.  Mary Washington was just 8-23 from 3.  As we all know, that is their bread and butter.  Particularly in the second half, the Eagles got almost no good looks at the basket.  As a result, they did get some points off of penetration, but I think if you are Catholic you almost take that---at the end of the game, when you are playing with a 3-5 point lead, Catholic was giving Mary Wash one on one looks to prevent the three and it worked for the Cardinals.

Dwyer played a great game tonight.  I know he was only 7-14 from FT but a lot of those misses were in the first half--second half he was pretty solid down the stretch.  Wheels didn't have his best game but he's still a rebounding force.  50-32 was the rebounding advantage for Catholic.

It was a lot different game than last week.  Mary Washington was a lot more fired up.  Catholic was ICE cold from outside...6-19 overall and they started just terribly. That allowed the Eagles to really double down inside and not respect the outside shot. 

But you know---good teams win those kinds of games.  You come out, you take a punch, you get down 12.  You're not hitting much of anything, you're being forced away from the basket inside, ice cold outside...but Catholic got through it, fought hard, most importantly did not deviate from the game line, forced the ball inside, got some good looks, got to foul line a lot, and relied on a senior to play one on one defense to end the game and the Eagles season.

I'm so glad this senior class was able to walk off their home court with a win in what is likely their last home game.  That meant a lot.

On to Hood.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: andre james smith on February 23, 2007, 12:33:02 AM
Upset about the FTs??.... yes CUA shoots 18 MORE FTS IN THE SECOND HALF ALONE, and i know CUA was strong inside with offensive rebounds and posting up,  but UMW was driving to the basket much more and 18 more in one half in a playoff game is rediculous..... and like i said, UMW was driving more than they regularly do based on the fact that Ditka and co. were calling a tight game.... guess we should have won last week at Dufour so we could have gotten the home game and the calls that come along with it.

No comment about your thugs at CUA Matt???? I thougt that you would come up with some way to justify roughing up a fan that came up to Dufour to root his team on....... 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 23, 2007, 12:46:32 AM
Instead of whining about free throws, why don't you focus on the 50-32 rebounding margin...hell, it was better for Catholic to miss their second free throws since more often than not they got the offensive rebound anyway.  That was HUGE in the last couple minutes.

I actually said that I thought Mary Washington should have tried to score more on penetration last week.  The problem though is that you've got a series of smaller guys driving on big guys, and as much as Baker (for instance) may have wanted to draw fouls, Wheeler and Dwyer just were parking themselves in the line with their hands up and forcing the offensive players to go around them.  That alters the shots without a foul. 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: andre james smith on February 23, 2007, 12:58:03 AM
Matt-  did hale get hacked on the last play???? yes or no???? its a simple answer... only one word needed
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 23, 2007, 01:02:49 AM
No, its really not a simple answer.  It could have been called about five different ways, and ultimately the officials apparently decided to call it the only way they could that made any sense.

There was a fight for the ball.  Did Hale get hacked? Probably.  Did Fumai get hacked? Probably.  Did everybody else get hacked? Probably.  At one point more than one guy had their hands on the ball.  Is that a jump? Maybe.  Did Hale got knocked going for the ball in the first place? Yeah, could be.  But did he clear out Fumai and the other CUA players in trying to secure it? Quite possibly. 

And then he ends up on the floor, he chucks something up--was it even before the buzzer went off? I don't know.

Out of all this you want a foul called?  Dream on.

And that's just the last play.  You know as well as I do that before that play, there were probably about 3 other fouls that could have been called and weren't, starting with the last inbounds play where Dwyer got the ball and had guys jumping on him. 

But the definitive play of the game--the Baker play--was clean on both sides.  And it was great drama, great basketball. Mano a mano. 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: andre james smith on February 23, 2007, 01:13:49 AM
That's a long one word Matthew.... I see that your answer to my question was probably, and I respect your honesty.... and I see that you have chosen not to defend your CUA student thugs... probably a wise decision.  I know that you claim that the last game was all Salisbury's fault, which I am in no standing to disagree with since I was all the way up in York, PA..... but this ugly incident which will probably be swept under the rug by you and you CUA comrades which created and control this board is the second incident in as many games at the home court of the CATHOLIC University of America.

I do agree with you that the play on the floor was as good a game as you can ask for.  Everyone played hard and fair and left everything out on the floor.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 23, 2007, 01:59:33 AM
Congratulations to former Catholic coach Mike Lonergan for clinching the America East Conference regular season championship tonight--in just his second season, with a bunch of underclassmen, no less.

Vermont beat Boston University to improve to 14-1 in the conference, 22-6 overall.  Lonergan SHOULD be a candidate for Division 1 Coach of the Year, and I would think he's a mortal lock to win AE Conference Coach of the Year.

So glad he wasn't good enough to coach Columbia.  Ha.

Meanwhile, Rod Wood is going to be sitting at home...oh, the humanity. 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 23, 2007, 02:57:11 AM
Quote from: andre james smith on February 23, 2007, 01:13:49 AM
That's a long one word Matthew.... I see that your answer to my question was probably, and I respect your honesty.... and I see that you have chosen not to defend your CUA student thugs... probably a wise decision.  I know that you claim that the last game was all Salisbury's fault, which I am in no standing to disagree with since I was all the way up in York, PA..... but this ugly incident which will probably be swept under the rug by you and you CUA comrades which created and control this board is the second incident in as many games at the home court of the CATHOLIC University of America.

Seems like hearsay to me. Your "friends" can't even "speak" for "themselves"?

Also sounds like the second consecutive incident with Mary Washington at an opponents gym, if I remember Scott Guise's posts from the other night.

I wonder if something doesn't ring true here. That's all.

I will remind that the Terms of Service say something about hearsay.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 23, 2007, 06:52:34 AM
Here are the latest QOWI:

Rank   QOWI   Rk in-reg   Team   Reg. W-L   Overall
1   11.625   1   Amherst   0.958 (23-1)   24-1
2   11.565   1   UW-Stevens Point   0.958 (23-1)   24-2
3   10.950   2   Trinity (Conn.)   0.850 (17-3)   21-3
4   10.810   3   Worcester Polytech   0.905 (19-2)   21-2
5   10.696   1   Chicago   0.818 (18-4)   20-4
6   10.692   2   St. Thomas   0.885 (23-3)   23-3
7   10.667   1   Mississippi College   0.952 (20-1)   22-2
8   10.625   4   Salem State   0.920 (23-2)   23-2
9   10.600   1   Lake Erie   0.950 (19-1)   23-2
10   10.520   5   Rhode Island College   0.880 (22-3)   22-3
11   10.476   2   Washington U.   0.810 (17-4)   19-4
12   10.412   3   Occidental   0.824 (14-3)   19-5
13   10.400   1   Brockport State   0.840 (21-4)   22-4
14   10.400   2   Virginia Wesleyan   0.880 (22-3)   23-3
15   10.391   4   St. John's   0.870 (20-3)   20-6
16   10.292   2   St. Lawrence   0.792 (19-5)   20-5
17   10.292   1   Ramapo   0.792 (19-5)   20-7
18   10.250   3   Aurora   0.913 (21-2)   23-2
19   10.238   3   DePauw   0.900 (18-2)   21-4
20   10.217   6   Keene State   0.826 (19-4)   22-4
21   10.217   3   Rochester   0.739 (17-6)   17-7
22   10.208   4   St. John Fisher   0.792 (19-5)   20-5
23   10.200   1   Messiah   0.800 (16-4)   19-6
24   10.174   2   Johns Hopkins   0.864 (19-3)   21-4
25   10.143   3   Lincoln   0.786 (11-3)   17-7
26   10.125   7   Brandeis   0.750 (18-6)   18-6
27   10.083   4   Augustana   0.833 (20-4)   20-5
28   10.080   4   Catholic   0.800 (20-5)   21-5
29   10.000   4   Averett   0.800 (16-4)   18-6
30   10.000   5   Loras   0.818 (18-4)   20-6
31   9.960   5   Hood   0.800 (20-5)   21-6
32   9.960   5   Mary Hardin-Baylor   0.840 (21-4)   21-4
33   9.957   2   John Carroll   0.739 (17-6)   18-8
34   9.913   6   UW-La Crosse   0.739 (17-6)   19-7
35   9.909   7   Whitworth   0.864 (19-3)   22-3
36   9.900   3   Wooster   0.900 (18-2)   23-3
37   9.870   5   New York University   0.783 (18-5)   19-5
38   9.833   8   UW-Oshkosh   0.750 (18-6)   21-6
39   9.800   6   King's   0.720 (18-7)   18-8
40   9.778   6   Centre   0.778 (14-4)   20-4
41   9.778   9   Lewis and Clark   0.778 (14-4)   19-6
42   9.773   7   Maryville (Tenn.)   0.864 (19-3)   19-6
43   9.762   6   Hamilton   0.714 (15-6)   18-6
44   9.741   2   Stevens   0.778 (21-6)   21-6
45   9.739   7   Alvernia   0.913 (21-2)   22-4
46   9.731   3   Manhattanville   0.808 (21-5)   22-5
47   9.708   8   Scranton   0.708 (17-7)   19-7
48   9.708   8   Bates   0.708 (17-7)   18-7
49   9.667   4   Hope   0.833 (15-3)   22-3
50   9.667   4   New Jersey City   0.708 (17-7)   18-8
51   9.636   8   McMurry   0.818 (18-4)   19-6
52   9.625   9   Husson   0.875 (21-3)   21-5
53   9.625   9   Guilford   0.833 (20-4)   21-4
54   9.619   5   Ohio Northern   0.667 (14-7)   19-7
55   9.565   9   DeSales   0.739 (17-6)   19-7
56   9.476   6   Wittenberg   0.810 (17-4)   22-4
57   9.450   7   Westminster (Pa.)   0.800 (16-4)   18-8
58   9.429   5   Elmhurst   0.762 (16-5)   20-5
59   9.360   10   Tufts   0.600 (15-10)   15-10
60   9.348   7   Utica   0.739 (17-6)   18-6
61   9.318   6   Grinnell   0.727 (16-6)   17-6
62   9.300   7   Wheaton (Ill.)   0.650 (13-7)   17-8
63   9.273   10   Greensboro   0.773 (17-5)   20-6
64   9.261   10   FDU-Florham   0.609 (14-9)   17-9
65   9.250   11   Bridgewater State   0.708 (17-7)   17-7
66   9.238   5   Richard Stockton   0.667 (14-7)   17-9
67   9.235   10   Redlands   0.765 (13-4)   17-7
68   9.200   8   Capital   0.680 (17-8)   17-8
69   9.190   9   Baldwin-Wallace   0.714 (15-6)   18-8
70   9.190   12   Colby   0.667 (14-7)   15-10

I would say that Hood is in a bit of a more comfortable position. I think the CAC sees two teams in the tournament - baring a TON of major upsets in other conferences. However, I would feel more comfortable if Hood won the title and CUA got the Pool C bid.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ex_mu14 on February 23, 2007, 08:18:26 AM
Matt.

What's up with the CUA Thugs??
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 23, 2007, 08:28:55 AM
Oh come on now... CUA thugs? Marymount thugs? Mary Wash thugs? Goucher thugs?

EVERY SCHOOL has some idiots in their midsts. Quit trying to bait people into comments.

We all moved on from the last major problem with CUA/SAL... and the last one was obviously minor in comparison.

While CUA seems to have issues with some fans (according to the last story)... SO DOES EVERY OTHER SCHOOL!

I don't think the last "version" needed to be brought up on this board in the first place. Move on!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on February 23, 2007, 12:36:14 PM
hey everybody, its been a good 4 or 5 year run onthe d3hoops.com for me but I'm throwing in the towel. i wish everybody's team the best of luck, even in new conferences. I'm sure I wont be missed, judging that I didn't even make any new posts and my karma dropped to -9.

Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 23, 2007, 02:57:11 AM
Quote from: andre james smith on February 23, 2007, 01:13:49 AM
That's a long one word Matthew.... I see that your answer to my question was probably, and I respect your honesty.... and I see that you have chosen not to defend your CUA student thugs... probably a wise decision.  I know that you claim that the last game was all Salisbury's fault, which I am in no standing to disagree with since I was all the way up in York, PA..... but this ugly incident which will probably be swept under the rug by you and you CUA comrades which created and control this board is the second incident in as many games at the home court of the CATHOLIC University of America.

Seems like hearsay to me. Your "friends" can't even "speak" for "themselves"?

Also sounds like the second consecutive incident with Mary Washington at an opponents gym, if I remember Scott Guise's posts from the other night.

I wonder if something doesn't ring true here. That's all.

I will remind that the Terms of Service say something about hearsay.


As for YCP's posts about classlessness, he should not be talking, as my primary sources explained to me that he was just emotional about the tough loss on Tues and admitted so to MW personel.
As for last nights events, the police report speaks for itself.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on February 23, 2007, 02:49:38 PM
Wow! Canceling your posting board account because of a difference of opinion? Drama Queen Much?

Any who.... Guess I picked the wrong few days to be on the road for work and away from my computer huh? As for the Spartans season all I can say is they played better then I ever thought they would and with a few breaks they could have had two or three more wins. That said, I think they are ripe to have a great season next year with Pat Kelly playing his best ball at the end of the season, Nick Brady getting better each time he touched the floor and other Freshman stepping up and playing well.

As for the game on Tuesday, you can't take anything away from MW, they played a great game and hit some amazing shots all game long as the shot clock was about to expire. I thought two of the Offensive fouls on York were preposterous but then again I saw a foul called on MW that was downright terrible too so I won't say anything about he over all impact of the Ref's because it was negligible.

As for the visiting fans, I'm not going to touch that. As an alum, and employee I best stay out of it. If this was last season before I came to work here, I would have been all over that, but now... not so much.

Congrats to Catholic on another 20 win season, and so long from the CAC after tomorrow. I found out on my travels for the school that the President of CUA and I both went to the same High School (St. Joseph's Prep Seminary in Princeton NJ) so I guess I will root for them on Saturday. When I was at St. Joe's I played on the Basketball team and Lou Carnesecca to come to campus to give us a clinic when the Redmen played in the Philly area. At that same time we went to St. John's for studies and Fr. O'Connell was one of the Priests we studied with. I'm surprised that CUA has a Vincentian President, and that Fr. O'Connell isn't at a Vincentian School (Although Niagara is out because Fr. Joe Levesque is the President there, he was the President at St. Joe's when I was a student.) 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on February 23, 2007, 03:49:07 PM
you'll be missed, goonie  :'(
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 23, 2007, 04:17:32 PM
Yes, Father O'Connell has been a great President for CUA and also a big supporter of the basketball program.  He does come to games now and then and I know he plays close attention.

His first year at the University--1998--was my freshman year so I got to know him pretty well--even before he took the job actually.  He was an Administrator at Saint John's before that.  The Bishops brought him in to "fix" some of the lingering problems with the school, put it on a path more in line with the Church's teachings, and improve the physical plant and financial security.  He's been successful with those things.



Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CACsportsnut on February 23, 2007, 04:49:10 PM
Well......conference tournament is almost over....picks for the top player, coach, freshman and CAC teams should soon be coming out...whats everyone's picks?


POY: Gutekunst - 19 pts, 11 rebs, 2 blk
ROY: Brady - 10 pts, 4.5 rebs, 44 three-pointers made
COY: Dickman - Lead Hood to the championship game in their first year in the league

1st Team All-CAC

McGowan
Gutekunst
Junghans
Grey
Williams

2nd Team All-CAC

Baker
Russo
Fumai
Dwyer
Lesesne

Players getting snubbed since there isn't a 3rd Team All-CAC:

Wheeler
Stanbeck
Irmer
Odumeru
Lee
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 23, 2007, 04:51:00 PM
I'll get back to you on that after tomorrow night!

This is the time when those awards, at least to me, are won and lost!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on February 23, 2007, 05:21:13 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on February 23, 2007, 04:17:32 PM
Yes, Father O'Connell has been a great President for CUA and also a big supporter of the basketball program.  He does come to games now and then and I know he plays close attention.

His first year at the University--1998--was my freshman year so I got to know him pretty well--even before he took the job actually.  He was an Administrator at Saint John's before that.  The Bishops brought him in to "fix" some of the lingering problems with the school, put it on a path more in line with the Church's teachings, and improve the physical plant and financial security.  He's been successful with those things.

You're in good hands with a St. Joe's man in charge. I'm glad to know he's helped out down there, but as soon as(or is should say "if") Fr. Harrington retires at St. John's I bet Fr. O'Connell jumps ship. SJU is to the Vincentians what UNC is to Basketball coaches. Dream Job!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 23, 2007, 06:31:21 PM
Yes, I imagine that's true.

The CUA job is unique among Catholic colleges because your boss is literally the Vatican.  CUA is the only Catholic institution in the US that is directly under control of the Holy See, so its directly run by the Catholic Bishops of the US.

Therefore, I think its kind of one of those things where if the big bosses want you there, well...that's where you are.

But at the same time, I'm sure there is always a natural cycle of things so we'll see down the road.  I hope he stays on for a long time at CUA--they are now in the beginning stages of some pretty dramatic changes that will expand the size of campus and build a whole new center in a new location in property the University acquired from the federal government a few years ago.  That will result in the closing of two dorms that are located across Michigan Ave.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MuMu on February 23, 2007, 09:00:33 PM
RIP Mwgoonie.

I hate to say it CUA bye 8.

EXMU14 drop it ok! :)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MuMu on February 23, 2007, 09:13:12 PM
all the thugs will be in the Hood waiting for the CUA and mom and dad to pay for their sem bills,

I hate to say this but after reading all the pot it seems like Matt is avoiding what happen the other night.

Hood by 3 just because of Karma
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dan Johnson on February 23, 2007, 09:57:12 PM
Didn't Odumeru (sp) leave/quit/get kicked off (pick one) the team twice?  If this is the same game, then even if there was a third team, he shouldn't even get mentioned.  He is either a quitter or a trouble maker and doesn't deserve recognition.  Quite unfortunate since I was impressed with his game.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CACsportsnut on February 23, 2007, 10:36:40 PM
I think your thinking of Ozi Menakaya
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 24, 2007, 11:55:14 AM
So here it is---the LAST CAC game EVER for Catholic.

Its been quite a ride.  It would mean a lot to go out on top, but Hood's an excellent team that really seems to be playing well right now.  This should be a great contest.  In case people didn't see it on the main page, the game will broadcast by the professional D3hoops crew of Gordon Mann and our very own D-Mac.

Every year that I've been associated with Catholic, the Cardinals have had a game on this day.  There have been some really memorable ones--the one that stands out the most was 2001, when freshman Will Morley tipped in a shot at the buzzer to beat Marymount and secure an NCAA bid (I alluded to this before, but with 5 losses and a smaller field, Catholic was not a lock for Pool C).  Another one that stands out was Mike Lonergan's last CAC Title game, in 2004--a win against top seeded Mary Washington at Goolrick which avenged a loss a year earlier. 

So here is hoping for a good game tonight--and a Cardinal win.  It is interesting that the game will be between the CAC's newest member who took the league by storm, and the CAC's departing member who dominated for so long.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dan Johnson on February 24, 2007, 05:56:57 PM
Thanks for the correction.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cuabigdog on February 24, 2007, 08:40:42 PM
Final from Frederick Maryland ...

CUA -- 85

HOOD -- 75

CUA 2007 CAC CHAMPIONS !!!!

congratulations to both schools on fantastic seasons

good luck to the CARDS in the NCAA's

GOOD BROADCASTING JOB BY DAVE AND GORDON


GO CARDS !!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 24, 2007, 10:23:45 PM
WAY TO GO OUT ON TOP BIG RED!!!!!!!

Fantastic game at Hood tonight.  Congratulations to Hood--worthy opponents to the end.  Catholic played one of their best games of the season.  This was all about senior leadership and Pat Dwyer stepping up and willing them to win.  Unsung hero--Nick Olivero for his defense. 

I'll post more details later.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: HopeConvert on February 24, 2007, 11:38:57 PM
Way to go Cards!

(At least one of my teams won tonight :'( :P :'()
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 25, 2007, 12:10:41 AM
Tonight's game was memorable--really great, well played game by both teams.  First of all, the gym up at Governor Johnson High School is actually very nice--I dare say nicer than at least a few CAC teams (ahem Mary Washington).   Place was pretty well packed, including a very large contingent from Catholic--maybe 40% of those in attendence.

This win was about experience.  The Cardinals got punched early, were down the entire first half, trailed by 7 at halftime, went down 9 in the opening minutes of the second.  But they never panicked, they took good shots and played better defense once they adjusted to the officiating.  Catholic outscored Hood 51-34 in the second half.  They shot 51% overall, including 10-20 from 3.   And the defensive intensity was way better--just to give you an idea, Hood shot 47% in the first half, 31% in the second.

Five players were in double figures for Catholic, led by Dwyer's 25.  He was 6-7 from 3, 8-11 overall. ..Hood just couldn't guard him on the perimeter.  What a great senior leader--honestly he reminded me so much of Will Morley out there tonight--3's weren't exactly Morley's first option either,  but he'd kill you with it if he needed to.  Fumai had 17, Wheeler and Wasilenko had 14, and Olivero had 13.  Olivero played absolute shutdown defense on Jughans--held him to 2-10 shooting in the second half.   He really didn't get many touches and when he did they were forced.

Gutekunst is a beast.  Led all scorers with 28 points and 18 rebounds.  Now, I'll admit I was pretty fired up in the first half because he was getting away with murder--he just pushes people out of the way and pretty much gets away with it.  He's so big...but the officials really were protecting him.  Should have had 3 in the first half after he fouled Quinn (but no call).  But at least the officiating was consistent, and that allowed Wheeler to play him more physical in the second half (and other than that, nothing worth mentioned about the officiating-a good thing).  Also, Wheels was able to deny him the ball by knocking it away and forcing interceptions when Hood tried to work it inside.

I felt like Hood let the wheels fall off a little when they got down--starting committing dumb fouls and forcing bad shots.  That's where the experience comes in.  Catholic's been in these games before, being down doesn't faze them.  Once Catholic started to open up a lead, Hood panicked a little bit, lost some composure.

The chemistry on this Catholic team is the best I've seen since 2001.  This group of seniors REALLY click.  They like each other, they feed off each other, and they've now accomplished something that I think a lot of people didn't think possible.  I remember arguing with people in November about where the scoring was going to come from--I think it was a CUA fan who said he didn't see a third scoring option.  Here we are in February, and they put up 85 points to win the CAC tournament.

I think you really have to give credit to Steve Howes, who by the way will be on Hoopsville tomorrow night.  He's worked through some early injuries, got them to play well enough to steal some non conference wins in a row, survived a bad stretch when they lost to May Wash and Gallaudet, and has them playing their best basketball in the end.  Everybody knows their roles, he's found the best uses for the bench players, and most of all there's never any panic when something goes wrong.  I do think he deserves to win Coach of the Year, with apologies to Coach Dickman who also did a great job.  Sure, everybody thinks Catholic will always be good, but I know for a fact most of you didn't think the Cardinals would win the CAC.   They lost Sowden, Satalin, Spirenberg, and Kelly from last year.  That was a huge chunk of their offense, and they replaced them by guys that just hadn't been prolific players, with the exception of Dwyer. 

I also think the Cardinals have a strong case for a home game in the NCAAs.  They are 22-5 coming out of Pool A playing good basketball.  They just beat a 21 win team on the road.  I know John Hopkins won also and they were ahead of Catholic in the last regionals, so we'll see.  But you can certainly make a case.

Anyway, it was great to go out on top of the CAC.  I think that really meant something to the Catholic fans and program.  I will miss some of the rivalries, but I'm looking forward to new ones in what I think will grow into a quality conference.

Good to luck to Hood with a Pool C bid.  I know that there have been a lot of upsets and that hurts their chances, but they had a very good season and I think they'll have success in the CAC for a lot of years to come.  I doubt there ever will be another Catholic in the CAC, but its now a wide open field waiting for somebody to step up.

In the meantime, until the Cardinals are done playing, they represent the CAC in the NCAAs, so lets hope the run continues. 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 25, 2007, 12:18:21 AM
Latest QOWI:

Overall   QOWI   In reg.   Team   Reg. rec.   Overall
1   11.625   1   Amherst   0.958 (23-1)   24-1
2   11.583   1   UW-Stevens Point   0.958 (23-1)   24-2
3   10.950   2   Trinity (Conn.)   0.850 (17-3)   21-3
4   10.810   3   Worcester Polytech   0.905 (19-2)   21-2
5   10.696   1   Chicago   0.818 (18-4)   20-4
6   10.692   2   St. Thomas   0.885 (23-3)   23-3
7   10.667   1   Lake Erie   0.952 (20-1)   24-2
8   10.600   4   Salem State   0.920 (23-2)   23-2
9   10.577   5   Rhode Island College   0.885 (23-3)   23-3
10   10.480   1   Ramapo   0.800 (20-5)   21-7
11   10.476   2   Washington U.   0.810 (17-4)   19-4
12   10.462   1   Brockport State   0.846 (22-4)   23-4
13   10.455   1   Mississippi College   0.955 (21-1)   23-2
14   10.412   3   Occidental   0.824 (14-3)   19-5
15   10.400   2   St. Lawrence   0.800 (20-5)   21-5
16   10.400   2   Virginia Wesleyan   0.880 (22-3)   23-3
17   10.391   4   St. John's   0.870 (20-3)   20-6
18   10.320   3   Aurora   0.920 (23-2)   24-2
19   10.280   3   St. John Fisher   0.800 (20-5)   21-5
20   10.250   6   Keene State   0.833 (20-4)   23-4
21   10.217   4   Rochester   0.739 (17-6)   17-7
22   10.200   1   Messiah   0.800 (16-4)   19-6
23   10.182   3   DePauw   0.864 (19-3)   22-4
24   10.174   2   Johns Hopkins   0.864 (19-3)   21-4
25   10.167   2   John Carroll   0.750 (18-6)   19-8
26   10.160   4   Augustana   0.840 (21-4)   21-5
27   10.143   3   Lincoln   0.786 (11-3)   18-7
28   10.125   7   Brandeis   0.750 (18-6)   18-6
29   10.105   3   Hope   0.842 (16-3)   23-3
30   10.080   4   Catholic   0.800 (20-5)   21-5
31   10.000   4   Wooster   0.905 (19-2)   24-3
32   10.000   5   Loras   0.818 (18-4)   20-6
33   9.960   5   Hood   0.800 (20-5)   21-6
34   9.947   4   Centre   0.789 (15-4)   21-4
35   9.923   5   Mary Hardin-Baylor   0.846 (22-4)   22-4
36   9.917   6   UW-Oshkosh   0.750 (18-6)   21-6
37   9.913   7   UW-La Crosse   0.739 (17-6)   19-7
38   9.909   8   Whitworth   0.864 (19-3)   22-3
39   9.870   5   New York University   0.783 (18-5)   19-5
40   9.864   6   Hamilton   0.727 (16-6)   19-6
41   9.857   6   Averett   0.810 (17-4)   19-6
42   9.826   7   Maryville (Tenn.)   0.870 (20-3)   20-6
43   9.800   6   King's   0.720 (18-7)   18-8
44   9.778   9   Lewis and Clark   0.778 (14-4)   19-6
45   9.760   8   Husson   0.880 (22-3)   22-5
46   9.750   7   Alvernia   0.917 (22-2)   23-4
47   9.741   2   Stevens   0.778 (21-6)   21-6
48   9.731   3   Manhattanville   0.808 (21-5)   22-5
49   9.708   9   Bates   0.708 (17-7)   18-7
50   9.708   8   Scranton   0.708 (17-7)   19-7
51   9.696   8   McMurry   0.826 (19-4)   20-6
52   9.625   9   Guilford   0.833 (20-4)   21-4
53   9.619   5   Ohio Northern   0.667 (14-7)   19-7
54   9.591   5   Elmhurst   0.773 (17-5)   21-5
55   9.565   9   DeSales   0.739 (17-6)   19-7
56   9.520   4   New Jersey City   0.680 (17-8)   18-9
57   9.500   7   Utica   0.750 (18-6)   19-6
58   9.450   6   Westminster (Pa.)   0.800 (16-4)   18-8
59   9.364   8   Plattsburgh State   0.727 (16-6)   19-8
60   9.364   7   Wittenberg   0.773 (17-5)   22-5
61   9.360   10   Tufts   0.600 (15-10)   15-10
62   9.308   8   Capital   0.692 (18-8)   18-8
63   9.292   9   Penn State-Behrend   0.750 (18-6)   19-6
64   9.261   10   Villa Julie   0.739 (17-6)   19-7
65   9.261   11   FDU-Florham   0.609 (14-9)   17-9
66   9.261   6   Grinnell   0.696 (16-7)   17-7
67   9.238   5   Richard Stockton   0.667 (14-7)   17-9
68   9.235   10   Redlands   0.765 (13-4)   17-7
69   9.200   10   Millsaps   0.750 (15-5)   18-8
70   9.190   11   Colby   0.667 (14-7)   15-10

Hood may still have a pretty good chance to get in! There QOWI is pretty strong and unless JHU is upset tomorrow... they just might get into the tournament.

Matt - all do respect to Coach Howes and CUA's great year... Coach Dickman deserves COY for many reasons. 20+ win season while playing the CAC for the first time... and winning the regular season crown and getting to the CAC title game (something CUA has down eight years in a row). I understand your arguement for Coach Howes getting the nod... but Hood played much better than ANYONE thought they would!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 25, 2007, 12:26:51 AM
Yeah, and its not like I'll be furious if Dickman wins it--I understand that case very well.  He did a fantastic job.  And I do feel for them not having their own gym, though I have to tell you--I think they can (and have) really make that place work for them.  I mean, they lost to one team there at all year!  I can see that being a tough place to play for an opponent.

But anyway, I understand Dickman's the favorite here, but I think Steve deserves recognition for what they've accomplished.  I was going to stand by my earlier statement that whoever wins the CAC would get my nod no matter what.  I think if you lose as much as Catholic did, and you end up winning the league in impressive fashion using players a lot of people didn't think were good enough, well, that's a pretty strong case.  And I do think the award is skewed against rewarding the teams that actually win games---you have to "over-achieve" in order to win.   But if you look at Catholic's season, they didn't lose a single game by more than 8 points.  They were in 27 straight games literally until the very end, and that includes games they trailed by double digits in.  Where does that mettle come from?

The QOWI hasn't been updated for Catholic and Hood, anyway--still has their pre-game records.

I hope Hood does get in.  They could get some teams fits.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 25, 2007, 12:35:35 AM
Ok, updated QoWI has Catholic at #21, 9 spots ahead of John Hopkins.  Hopkins plays tomorrow against a mediocre (#123) Haverford team that Catholic beat on the road.

Hood dropped to #40.  At first glance, behind Hope and Messiah but ahead of Scranton in some of the Pool C bubble teams I noticed.

I'm redoubling my plea here---bring the tourney to DC!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on February 25, 2007, 07:33:08 AM
Congratulations to Catholic.  Good luck representing the CAC in the NCAAs and thereafter in Landmark
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: hoodfan on February 25, 2007, 08:19:07 AM
Matt, with all due respect I think your bias is showing in terms of Howes getting COY. He has a senior laden club that has competed in the CAC regular season and tourney. Based on this season Coach Dickman has done the best coaching job of anyone in the league. Hood has only 2 seniors, and they won on the road, and recovered from some losses late in the year to refocus and win the regular season title, and make the tourney final.
Catholic played very well last night, and their seniors experience showed in that game. Good luck to you all.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 25, 2007, 01:50:34 PM
Thanks.

Its true he does have a senior laden team, but none of them had ever been called upon to be the major options before except maybe Dwyer.  But I get your point, mine is just that while what Hood accomplished is great, they didn't actually win the thing, and Catholic wasn't favored to win it either and ended up having a great regular season.

I realize I'm going to lose this argument, but its worth making.  The fact that Catholic is leaving the league isn't going to help any of the players--or the coach--in POY/All CAC/COY voting either.

In any event, I hate to say it, but I'm afraid that WPI-Coast Guard game might be the straw that broke the camel's back for Hood getting a Pool C.   I really do hope they get in, but I'm afraid they might be one of the last teams NOT to get in based on upsets. 

That's a shame. 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 25, 2007, 02:02:57 PM
Matt... the straw also would include Williams win over Amherst.

There is still a chance - but its getting tight!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 25, 2007, 02:47:08 PM
Well, selfishly, I'm still on the home game for Catholic bandwagon...and these upsets are not bad for those chances.  Teams that were already in and take care of business have to look pretty good--better and better as the bubbles burst.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 25, 2007, 02:54:15 PM
Why would Manhattanville get the top seed in the Mid Atlantic?  Their QoWI is 39, Catholic's is 21, and their only common opponent is Scranton, who they lost to and Catholic beat.

That's not fair.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 25, 2007, 03:06:32 PM
Matt... travel travel travel... I could see them hosting because there would be a number of schools in their area! And there will be more than one location for these games... relax and wait. They are just projections!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 25, 2007, 03:40:04 PM
I told Matt via PM that it was b/c Mville was higher in the regional rankings.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 25, 2007, 03:51:03 PM
Yeah...but that left me wondering even more though.

Winning percentage wise, I understand, but every other criteria would have Catholic ahead of Mville---and QoWi is a pretty large gap.

I never understand the regional rankings to outweight all the other criteria neccessarily...perhaps I was wrong.

I'm relaxed, but the baby fell asleep for a few minutes so I had time to really delve into all the information posted on the site.  I'm just trying to understand the NCAA.  Therein lies the problem.

And I know those are just projections, but I've become convinced over the years that Pat knows the system better than the NCAA itself does, so there is a method to his madness.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 25, 2007, 03:56:11 PM
Well that must have been a jinx.  Guess who woke up pissed at the world?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbsquared on February 25, 2007, 05:11:57 PM
Meanwhile, Rod Wood is going to be sitting at home...oh, the humanity.  Quote from Matt L.

I am a little curious Matt, why the shot at Wood? He ran the team in such a way as to get CUA a win in the toutney. It was great game that CUA won.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 25, 2007, 05:30:56 PM
Ha...well that had nothing to do with this year.  Its a reference to the...lets say colorful...history between Coach Wood and Coach Lonergan.

They weren't exactly pals.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbsquared on February 25, 2007, 05:39:44 PM
Makes sense, his reputation has been a little heated in the past. He seems to be mellowing, at least according to this year's version.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: hoodfan on February 25, 2007, 05:41:57 PM
I know it's getting tight for the Hood Blazers now. I'd appreciate it if all CAC fans would ask the basketball god's for a little help to come Hood's way! Thanks Fellas!
Dmac or Matt, I see Hood's QOWI is better than Mary Hardin Simmons and UW Lacrosse. I assume they are on the bubble with us. Do you think the QOWI is enough to get us in? It feels like it's coming down to acoin toss.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 25, 2007, 10:23:13 PM
Congrats to Hood for making it as a Pool C.

Messiah also in...
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cuabigdog on February 25, 2007, 10:25:09 PM
congratulations to Coach Dickman and Hood College for making the tourney in your first year  in the  CAC.. best of luck to you all in the NCAA's ..
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 25, 2007, 10:26:17 PM
Unless, of course, you happen to play Catholic again...
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 26, 2007, 09:14:09 AM
WEEEELCOME TO DUFOUR NCAA'S!!!!!


Catholic will host the Regionals--Coming to DC are Messiah, Lincoln and Alvernia.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: njlincolnlion on February 26, 2007, 10:05:35 AM
There should be some interesting games as the three PA teams that met last year in the first round visits D.C.  Alvernia, Messiah, Lincoln, and CNU played first round games at Lincoln last year.  This year CUA host the "PA-3".

Hopefully Lincoln's Coach Yuille will have the  Lions focused, since this will be the "last hurrah" for Lincoln in division 3.  As Pat Coleman fondley says Lincoln will be moving down  :) to d2 (provisional) next year, and a full d2 schedule in the 2008-2009 season competing in the CIAA.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: njlincolnlion on February 26, 2007, 03:29:43 PM
Another take on the "three versus one" scenario has Lincoln as the only non-religious based institution playing in D.C. this weekend.  Alvernia (Franciscan) and Catholic are Roman Catholic schools with Messiah (well the names speaks for itself)  :) .
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 26, 2007, 04:24:51 PM
I really don't think its too much of a factor.   Messiah is obviously from a much different religious tradition than Catholic and Alvernia.

Those that are Catholic, though (and even those that aren't) may enjoy visiting the Basilica of the National Shrine of the Immaculate Conception, which is one of the largest churches in the Western Hemisphere and is located on the CUA Campus.  The Basilica is the"mother church" of the Roman Catholic Church in the United States and is just down the street from the National Conference of Catholic Bishops.

http://www.nationalshrine.com

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cuabigdog on February 26, 2007, 05:28:58 PM
Hey Matt..

Don't forget . we also have the National Cathedral  downtown.... for anyone who's new to the area and want to venture down there

                              www.cathedral.org
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: southbender10 on February 26, 2007, 05:38:44 PM
Congrats to Hood! Its only the 4th season they have been playing with a mens basketball team and they are into the Division III tourney!!! I think that there first round game against sydney should be a good match and both teams have a good chance of moving on. Good Luck Blazers!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 26, 2007, 06:23:26 PM
That is impressive, and it's one of the stories that's getting lost in the crossfire here.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 26, 2007, 07:18:26 PM
Yes, that is true.

I think the Hood-H-S matchup is intriguing, too.  I assume Hampden Sydney would not have gotten a Pool C bid and is one of the lower seeded teams.   They have a pretty poor QoWI. 

Neverthess, would you want to play them if you're Hood? I don't know--that's a program with a lot of poise and experience.  Hood is probably a better team, but they have to be careful to avoid "Just Happy to Be Here" syndrome, especiailly when you take the court at VWU against H-S.  Probably a little intimidating.

Now, I'm not saying I expect that out of Hood, I'm just saying that sometimes it happens with teams that don't have much history going up against storied programs. I remember when SUNY-Old Westbury (and Hood is way better than that team, so I'm not comparing) showed up to play Catholic in 2004, they stood in the gym for 5 minutes staring at the National Championshp banner.   That carried right over to the game--stood around watched Catholic play for 40 minutes and got blown out.

I don't expect that from Hood, particularly because I doubt Coach Dickman would even let that happen, but I'm just saying that they've got a tall order.  They've already accomplished so much that it will be impossible to characterize this season as anything but a success no matter what.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 26, 2007, 08:06:53 PM
If I'm Hood, yes, I want to play them. Because it means I am in the tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: southbender10 on February 26, 2007, 09:34:00 PM
What Hood needs to do is go in there and have a " Nothing to lose" attitude. This is the first time they have been there and they have no pressure to have to beat anyone. They need to come into the game and just play basketball and do what they do.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: rebeltiger on February 26, 2007, 10:45:21 PM
I hope it will be a good game b/w HSC and Hood.  Impressive to get to the dance in just 4 years of existence.  You are correct...HSC would not have been a Pool C team.  They got hot at the right time to win the ODAC.  They lost their best player and only real inside presence to a torn ACL at Christmas.  They were inconsistent even before then....but it looks like they hit their stride.

Fill us in (on the ODAC board would be great) about Hood.  From a peek at their roster, looks like a good senior guard and junior big man.  I don't know a thing about them or the team, but gotta believe I'd be pulling hard for them if they weren't playing HSC as kids who took a chance to build something are obviously getting some reward for their work building the program.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: smcmsid on February 27, 2007, 09:51:41 AM
All-Conference Teams were released this morning...

http://www.cacsports.com/mbasketball/weeklynotes/2007mbballcac.pdf
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on February 27, 2007, 09:52:51 AM
Hood will give anytime a lot of matchup problems with there big man in the middle.  He is a no doubt first team all-conf and maybe player of the year...He is smart with the ball and gets a lot of easy buckets.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on February 27, 2007, 09:57:14 AM
Well I spoke to soon...

CONGRATS CHAD on player of the year really deserved it when he took the team on his back after a 4-4 conf start.  Actually had a chance to win there 3rd straight conf title this year. 

CONGRATS NICK BRADY- will be a force next year with Chad.  These two should carry the load for a possible CAC championship next season

CONGRATS TO ALL WHO MADE FIRST AND SECOND TEAM AS WELL AS COACH DICKMAN HE DESERVES IT!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on February 27, 2007, 10:19:31 AM
Congrats to Chad, Nick and Coach Dickman. I think all three were very deserving and I think Nick was a hands-down winner. On a personal note I hope Chad and Nick are happy about this for about a week and then start thinking about next season and how much they want to win the CAC, but, I'm sure they are way ahead of me on that.

I think the all-CAC teams are a good representation of the league. A full half the players are from CUA and Hood, and they were the two top teams in the league by far. In all, 7 of the 9 teams placed a player on the teams and that can be seen as fair with the type of season Goucher and Gally had, although I'm sure D-Mac can put forth a solid argument for Russo. (Hell, I could probably make that argument having seen him 5 or 6 times over the last 4 years.) 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on February 27, 2007, 10:38:02 AM
Kitchenrats idea but i had time to go through the schools so how about this..

The Holiday festival December 29th, 2007

Landmark vs CAC

Catholic @ York
GAlly @ Us Merchant Marines
Susquenna @ Mary Wash
Salisbury @ Scranton
Juniata @ Hood
St. Mary's @ Goucher
Morivan @ Marymount
Villa Julie@ Drew (Not a traditional CAC team but its either them or Wesley)

OR have a 2 day event at the Grumbacher Sport and Fitness Center.   
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 27, 2007, 11:03:21 AM
Well, I can't argue too strenuously against those All CAC picks.  I made my case for Steve Howes for COY, but I can certainly understand giving it to Coach Dickman.

I was wondering if McGowan's weak finish would cost him POY, but apparently not.  I can't argue with that pick either, he really did carry York this year and without him I don't think they would have been all that competitive.

I'm glad that the emphasis was on Hood and Catholic for the all conference--in years past, I thought there was a little too much bottom feeding there.  I'm particularly pleased that Scott Fumai, Stephen Wheeler and Pat Dwyer all were recognized.  I don't know how you would have picked between those three, they all were noteworthy.   A special congratulations to Stephen Wheeler---I think Scott and Pat were fairly predictable winners, but not Wheels.  He made himself into an All-CAC caliber player this year by working hard and sticking with it. 

Probably the most glaring omission is Roy Williams, but he played on the #7 seed and he took a ton of shots.  Close call between him and Lesense.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on February 27, 2007, 11:06:26 AM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on February 27, 2007, 11:03:21 AM

I'm glad that the emphasis was on Hood and Catholic for the all conference--in years past, I thought there was a little too much bottom feeding there. 

Yeah, like last year when only McGowan and Bushey made it?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on February 27, 2007, 11:12:17 AM
Congratulations to all CAC honorees. All of them deserved to be honored.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on February 27, 2007, 12:49:56 PM
Any snubs, I am suprised Russo did not get 2nd team
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 27, 2007, 01:13:01 PM
Yikes---Catholic's RPI is #17, QoWI #22, and they only got a couple votes in the Top 25 poll.

Tough crowd! 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: smcmsid on February 27, 2007, 01:18:21 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on February 27, 2007, 11:03:21 AM
Probably the most glaring omission is Roy Williams, but he played on the #7 seed and he took a ton of shots.  Close call between him and Lesense.

Matt - I think your omission was just an oversight as Ray was named to the First Team.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 27, 2007, 01:19:28 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on February 27, 2007, 01:13:01 PM
Yikes---Catholic's RPI is #17, QoWI #22, and they only got a couple votes in the Top 25 poll.

Tough crowd! 

What's the ranked team Catholic has played, let alone beaten? The national voters surely care little about anything based solely off regional records like those two numbers you cite.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on February 27, 2007, 01:20:46 PM
Matt- Your right...Catholic deserves at least a top 25 slot and Hood deserves some votes but again the CAC gets no respect.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on February 27, 2007, 01:21:57 PM
Pat- that is the problem, the voting is very biased towards certain conf.  When has the Mid-Atlantic ever gotten respect.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 27, 2007, 01:24:50 PM
Just step back for a second and take a glance at what the region has done lately. Beating other weak regions like the Atlantic and East doesn't do much -- the Mid-Atlantic right now is lucky to be sixth of eight regions. For the CAC, two teams losing the first weekend last year doesn't help and congrats on the one tournament win being against a .500 team.

That's reality in Division III, my man. You gotta do something.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on February 27, 2007, 01:28:00 PM
Pat- I agree with you...York was disappointing last year by not getting past the first weekend.  They played a hot team.  That should not diminish the conf.  If Hood and Catholic both make it too the 2nd weekend they both deserve the top 25 ranking.  I just think the voting is a little biased thats all.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 27, 2007, 01:30:19 PM
The CAC's voter hasn't given any teams a vote most of the season. If they don't vote for them then why should anyone else?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 27, 2007, 01:32:47 PM
Quote from: smcmsid on February 27, 2007, 01:18:21 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on February 27, 2007, 11:03:21 AM
Probably the most glaring omission is Roy Williams, but he played on the #7 seed and he took a ton of shots.  Close call between him and Lesense.

Matt - I think your omission was just an oversight as Ray was named to the First Team.

My apologies.  Of course you are right. 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on February 27, 2007, 01:33:45 PM
I'm just saying.  That voter doesnt see any team other then CAC teams, correct?  I think he has an obligation to support the conf.  Its tough to get support if your own is not voting for you.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 27, 2007, 01:39:15 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 27, 2007, 01:19:28 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on February 27, 2007, 01:13:01 PM
Yikes---Catholic's RPI is #17, QoWI #22, and they only got a couple votes in the Top 25 poll.

Tough crowd! 

What's the ranked team Catholic has played, let alone beaten? The national voters surely care little about anything based solely off regional records like those two numbers you cite.

Frankly Pat the same thing could have been said for almost every Catholic team at this stage of the season.  In the past, those teams have gotten some votes.  Most years they were in the 25.  Maybe that was deserved, maybe not, but the non-conference schedule Catholic played this year if anything was tougher than in years past.  

I wasn't expecting them to crack the top 25, but I did think they'd crack double digits in votes.

There just aren't many ranked teams from this region (which is your point, I know), but at a certain point it becomes circular--you really have to play teams from your own region non-conference, but if none of them are ranked, what can you do?  The fact that nobody else is ranked (and yes, JHU was for a time) doesn't mean that team x shouldn't be.

I don't know who the CAC's voter is (though I have a suspicion).  But as far as I know, this is not a public process, so what one individual voter does shouldn't influence everybody else, right?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 27, 2007, 01:54:09 PM
Quote from: Salem, VA on February 27, 2007, 01:33:45 PM
I'm just saying.  That voter doesnt see any team other then CAC teams, correct?  I think he has an obligation to support the conf.  Its tough to get support if your own is not voting for you.

I don't think so. We don't ask voters to be biased for their conference -- we ask them to observe the conference and vote accordingly.

Matt, yes, it is not a public process, but any team that gets votes gets into the breakdown for the next week that is sent to all voters via e-mail. (Three weeks' worth of schedule and results to sniff out trends, scores of games, overall record, record of each opponent, location of game.)

Quote from: Matt Letourneau on February 27, 2007, 01:39:15 PM
Frankly Pat the same thing could have been said for almost every Catholic team at this stage of the season.  In the past, those teams have gotten some votes.  Most years they were in the 25.  Maybe that was deserved, maybe not, but the non-conference schedule Catholic played this year if anything was tougher than in years past. 

The track record isn't the same anymore. Last NCAA Tournament win was 2004. It's harder to make the logical leap for Catholic right now.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on February 27, 2007, 01:56:12 PM
There needs to be a better voting system then just one...maybe get one from each team to decide on a vote.  Its ludacris to think this one person knows all. Matt is right there is nothing CAtholic can do about there schedule.  You play region games for the purpose of being ranked in the region.  Who is to say that Catholic is not a top 10 team they havent played any of the top 25 teams.  Its purely on judgement rather then actually seeing teams played.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 27, 2007, 02:05:18 PM
Hi, no offense, but this system works just fine. It's actually modeled after other national polls. We've worked this way for years and just because the CAC doesn't have someone in the Top 25 does not mean it's broken.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on February 27, 2007, 02:07:20 PM
I'm talking about the mid-atlantic in general...NOT the CAC
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on February 27, 2007, 02:09:03 PM
I don't really worry about the top 25 too much. The thing we need to be most concerned with is the pool C situation and for the last two years we've gotten two teams in, so I think we're doing ok. With both York and Hood losing in the CAC tourney in '06 and '07 they still got a spot in the tourney and I think that's what really matters. Just my 2% of a dollar.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cuabigdog on February 27, 2007, 02:37:36 PM
being in the top 25 is nice but in my opinion getting votes at all is also nice to which at least your being noticed... look at all the teams out there that have no votes at all...
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 27, 2007, 03:44:59 PM
True, BigDog.

My comment that prompted this discussion was only "tough crowd!"

I do agree with Salem, though, that it is somewhat of an arbitrary judgement and deck ends up getting stacked against teams from certain regions, etc.   I don't think the process is broken or the way d3hoops.com does it is flawed, there's just a limit to how accurate something like this ever can be.  Overall, this poll's track record is pretty good.

Pat did hit on something though--track record.  Reputation plays a big part.  This year's Catholic team shouldn't be judged on how last year's did in the tournament--different personnel, etc--but of course that isn't reality.  But everybody has a chance to prove it on the court, at least--well not if you're in the poll and from Wisconsin!

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 27, 2007, 08:23:53 PM
First off... congrats to the all-CAC teams. Yes... Russo didn't make it and either did Jones. I think both deserved maybe a second team nod... and their numbers certainly would argue that - and when every team has to double-team or sufficate a player, reasoning is he is the player to respect. However, there are a number of good players in this league... and there simply isn't enough room for them all.

A couple of other notes... Ray Williams on the first team is high in my mind... and I know Gray was good, but I don't know if I would have had him on my second team. But... we don't vote... so I must say congrats.

Secondly, as someone who is "in" the CAC... but watches and follows a LOT of basketball around the region and the nation... I would also agree that the CAC teams getting a few votes is nice... but no team deserves the Top 25 at this time. Hood is certainly good, but not that good. Catholic is a very polished team, but I don't know about putting them in the Top 25 over some very good teams. I would put Johns Hopkins in the Top 25 before I would put any CAC team this year.

This region is not that strong. There are a lot of very good teams... but no stellar teams... and the bottom of the region is BAD!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: tigerphil on February 27, 2007, 11:32:29 PM
Hi, I am an ODAC poster and I am very interested in any information anyone could give about the Hood College-Hampden Sydney match-up. 1) I am a HSC alumn, 2) I am going to the game (got tickets already), 3) this game looks to be a premiere match-up for Cinderellas as suggested by D3hoops poll on homepage, 4)Just want to know what to expect when at the game. I can offer a little info on HSC, having been to one game this year, but following the team regular through internet broadcasts if anyone would like.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 28, 2007, 12:51:07 AM
If I have a few minute tomorrw, I'll go over to the ODAC thread and post a little souting report on Hood...
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ronk on February 28, 2007, 10:48:11 PM
    Good luck to the Cards;got them beating Messiah, Lincoln, Johns Hopkins, before losing to the defending champions in the Elite 8. Am biased, though, having coached Steven Howes in youth baseball many years ago.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on March 01, 2007, 01:26:19 AM
Small world!

That would be a very satisfying run!  Hope they play at home this weekend.  Sky is the limit with this group of seniors--rarely to get once last chance to shine on the big shine, this is their moment.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: njlincolnlion on March 01, 2007, 02:55:15 PM
Any chance of getting Antonella "Ba Ba Ba Boom" Barba to sing the National Anthem tomorrow night at the DuFour?   ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on March 01, 2007, 03:03:23 PM
Didn't we already have this discussion? Wasn't the answer that you are more likely to get Pat Coleman sing the Canadian anthem than to get Antonella?  :D
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MuMu on March 01, 2007, 04:41:13 PM
Dmac,
I would love it hear who you would have filled Grey spot. This one will be good.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: southbender10 on March 01, 2007, 06:04:27 PM
LETS GO HOOD!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 01, 2007, 09:46:58 PM
Quote from: MuMu on March 01, 2007, 04:41:13 PM
Dmac,
I would love it hear who you would have filled Grey spot. This one will be good.
MuMu... you don't read very well. I was talking about having Russo or Jones on the 2nd team.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on March 02, 2007, 09:55:24 AM
Nice feature of Vermont & Mike Lonergan in today's Boston Globe:

http://www.boston.com/sports/colleges/mens_basketball/articles/2007/03/02/vermont_healthy_state/

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MuMu on March 02, 2007, 10:30:46 AM
A couple of other notes... Ray Williams on the first team is high in my mind... and I know Gray was good, but I don't know if I would have had him on my second team. But... we don't vote..

Dmac,
No one who end the season in 7th should have any one on 1st or 2nd team. Unless your a super star and Russo and Jones are not.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on March 02, 2007, 11:09:49 AM
Well, the good news for D-Mac's argument is that Goucher ended up in 8th!

(Williams and Salisbury ended up in 7th).

Anyway, BIG games tonight for both Catholic and Hood.

It looks like Messiah is a guard-oriented team that shoots well from outside.  Perhaps the Cardinal's recent experience with Mary Washington will help them here.  However, Messiah has better talent inside than UMW.

One thing to watch is the beginning of the game.  Lately, Catholic seems to have a habit of getting down early.  I'm not sure why--maybe other teams are just coming out more fired up.  I remember looking up at seeing a 19-9 score at DuFour with CUA down early.  Similar thing happened at Hood.  The flip side of that, especially with the Eagles is that there was a noticeable let down when their adrenaline started to run out and that enabled CUA to go on a run of their own.

So if the Cardinals do get down early, its not reason to panic--they're a veteran enough team that they won't.  But it would still be nice not to have to climb out of a hole!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 02, 2007, 03:17:54 PM
BTW, just a reminder that D3hoops.com is broadcasting the Catholic regional and Johns Hopkins regional for NCAASports.com.

http://www.d3hoops.com/audio/
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on March 02, 2007, 03:23:33 PM
Welcome back to DuFour, Pat.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: njlincolnlion on March 02, 2007, 04:12:54 PM
Glad to hear the Catholic Region games are being broadcast.  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: njlincolnlion on March 02, 2007, 09:59:12 PM
Catholic defeats Messiah 58-37 to take on Lincoln tomorrow night to decide who moves on to the sweet sixteen.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: tigerphil on March 03, 2007, 01:08:09 AM
I just wanted to give a huge thanks to Matt for his scouting report on Hood. While I was at the game, what he said came true. HSC couldn't handle 55, the 6'8" Center who when double-teamed either found the open trey shooter or the cutter down the lane to give Hood an early 10 point lead, but when he got in foul trouble, HSC was able to do well on offense, of course the three ball was very big for HSC tonight who killed the 2-3 Zone with extra passes to find the open man. It was a great game and a very good scouting report. Hood very easily could have beat HSC, but both teams shot poorly from the field, HSC won with only 37% shooting. Thanks for a great game tonight HOOD
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on March 03, 2007, 01:30:03 AM
Ha, well I'm glad it ended up being accurate, though, no offense, I wouldn't have minded seeing the Blazers pull that one out.  But it sounds like a great game.

Congratulations to Coach Howes for his first career NCAA Tournament Win.  The Cardinals played an outstanding defensive game tonight--setting an all time CUA record for fewest points allowed in the NCAA Tournament.   Granted, Catholic struggled offensively, particulary inside---if the play analysis is to be believed, Catholic got outscored 22-6 in the paint! 

On defense though, the Cards did a great job, particulary on Yoder for Messiah.  Messiah was only 2-20 from 3, and frankly they were really didn't have many looks. A lot of shots were forced out of desperation and frustration.  Overall they held Messiah to just 27%. 

The story of the game was rebounding...Catholic had a 50-30 rebounding advantage.  You really can't win when you are -20!  That led to second chance points and offensive rebounds for Catholic, and it also helped them close the game out.

Catholic got out to a big lead and led by 15 at halftime.  However, as expected, Messiah did make a run and scored the first 9 points of the second half to get it within six.  That's when the senior mettle really showed, with Fumai stepping up and scoring 5 straight points.  He had 19 points in a game when everybody was struggling.

A lot of the problem inside for both teams was just the way the team was officiated.  It was extremely consistent so don't take this as a complaint, its just a fact that they were very much letting them play inside and that meant nobody could get decent position.  Dwyer in particulary was fouled in the paint numerous times, but it just wasn't going to get called, so the teams moved on. 

Now, the second round matchup is absolutely fascinating.  Lincoln couldn't be more different.  This is a team that had TWENTY FOUR (!!!!) guys play minutes this year (how is that even possible?) They put up 201 points against some poor sub-D3 team.  The point here is that they like to score.  They average 86 a game which is exactly what they did to Alvernia tonight.  They play fast, uptempo basketball.

Catholic needs to slow the pace down, pound the ball inside and force Lincoln to beat itself through turnovers and bad shots.  Alvernia did not have anything close to what CUA does inside, especially on defense.

This will truly be an interesting game.  I'm so glad Catholic was able to get a win tonight at home--good crowd considering spring break.  Its nice to see so many basketball alumni show up to support the team, including many members of the 2001 National Championship Team.  Hopefully it will be another good crowd tomorrow.  I'm sure the Lincoln band will be there.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: tigerphil on March 03, 2007, 01:46:39 AM
The game could have gone either way over the course of the last two and a half-minutes. If 55 could have avoided foul trouble, picking up three and four early in second-half it most definitely would have been a different game, but HSC kept all three big men in foul trouble which led to them winning the game.

Catholic is tough to beat at home. I went there for a NCAA game a few years ago when HSC played and that was probably the best NCAA game I had been to, and HSC lost to Catholic, but it was a nail biter if my memory serves me correctly
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cuabigdog on March 03, 2007, 08:03:53 AM
For all those in the Wash. Metro area .. very good article on CUA in todays Washington Post.. Good Luck tonight  vs Lincoln.. They seem to be a very strong team with very good outside shooting.. CUA has to control the pace of the game ... Made Free Throws and Low Turnovers are the key.. Games are won and lost at the line ..

GO CARDS !!!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on March 03, 2007, 08:24:40 AM
Thanks for the heads up BigDog...and with the magic of the internet, everybody can read it!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/02/AR2007030202149.html

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MuMu on March 03, 2007, 08:37:09 AM
Matt,
Rick Van Pelt of Messiah a great coach that's a great win! let's shift gears to Lincoln we played them my Senior year, the coach has no class and either does his player's look out. Hopefully the CUA bigs Head fake all game. Smash them talk about Thugz. After the game the coach took his team and did not even shake hands.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: njlincolnlion on March 03, 2007, 09:33:36 AM
MuMu:

And you're talking about the Lincoln Coach and players not having any class, re-read your post and talk about class.  Stop hating on the past and get over it.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: njlincolnlion on March 03, 2007, 09:35:06 AM
Matt:

Thanks for the Washington Post link.  It was a very good article.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cuabigdog on March 03, 2007, 02:49:11 PM
FINAL SCORE: #1 Vermont 81, #8 Hartford 62 - Box Score
BOSTON, Mass. – The reigning America East Fans' Choice Player of the Year Mike Trimboli (Norwalk, Conn.) paced a balanced attack with 21 points as the #1 seed University of Vermont men's basketball team defeated eighth-seeded Hartford 81-62 in the America East Championship Quarterfinals on Saturday afternoon at Agganis Arena. The Catamounts will play the winner of the #4 Maine/#5 UMBC contest on Sunday at noon in the semifinals

congratulations to Coach Lonergan and good luck in the semi's

p.s. does anyone know what a catamount is ??
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on March 03, 2007, 02:51:47 PM
Type of mountain lion, I think.

What's the story on that southbender? I hadn't really heard. 

I will say that Catholic has had some problems with adult York fans in PA (really ugly racial language in particular), but never with coaches or players, or really even students.  Certainly never on the road.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbsquared on March 03, 2007, 03:01:59 PM
Let's see, a common element in the tourney is an inside presence, kicking out for the occasional three leads to success. Let's hope we will see that in Goolrick next year! Good luck CUA, make the CAC proud.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 03, 2007, 03:58:54 PM
Quote from: southbender10 on March 03, 2007, 01:16:26 PM
Talk about no class.....

Any reason we should believe you? Got some proof or backup you want to share?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on March 03, 2007, 08:46:39 PM
did catholic lose to lincoln?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: njlincolnlion on March 03, 2007, 09:04:13 PM
Lincoln defeats Catholic 81-70.  Pat Coleman did an excellent job broadcasting. 

I got in late and only heard the last two minutes, and was not happy with the intentional Lincoln foul by Wooten with the game already in hand.  It's those types of mistakes that can cost teams in close games. 

Congratulations to the Lions as they move onto the sweet sixteen for the 2nd consectutive season.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on March 03, 2007, 10:56:10 PM
Pat, yeah, after what I saw tonight, I think there is.

I'll post up later...thoughts on the game and Lincoln.  I'll say right off the bat that they were deserving winners and very talented.  I'll also say that they can keep winning from now to Salem, but they're never going to be champions.  You don't take 3's up double digits in the last 2:00, you don't commit a body slam/horsecollar intentional foul with 11 seconds to go, and when you get the ball back with 6 seconds left, you don't attempt an reverse slam dunk (only consolation being that he missed it).

Champions don't do that.  Learn how to win, Lincoln, you're embarrasing yourselves. Nobody is going to respect a team that does that. 

In a little bit I'll post some more positive thoughts on their actual game (impressive, which is what makes their ridiculous behavior at the end of it a shame) and the hard fought effort by the Cardinals tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 03, 2007, 11:52:44 PM
I will say this -- because of my unique position on the floor at the end of the game, I saw both exchanges between Howes and Yuille at the end of the game. The handshake was a brushoff. As Yuille finished the handshake line, I grabbed him for the postgame interview on NCAASports.com. As Howes came back from the other end, Yuille excused himself from the interview to go apologize.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on March 03, 2007, 11:53:51 PM
Well, it was a good game tonight at DuFour.  At the end of the day, Lincoln just had too much talent.  Those guys really aren't a D-3 school in terms of ability, which mostly showed up in jump shooting.  Whenever they couldn't get anything offensively, they had the ability to rise up and hit jump shots even when they were well defended.

Catholic came out fairly strong, and it was a close first half with Lincoln up 5.  The Lions jumped out of the gate fast in the second half and built a 9 point lead, but Catholic clawed back using a Jeff Sparrow 3 to get it to 51-51.  At that point, the building was rocking and the Cardinals had all the momentum.  And then boom...Kenyon Johnson hit a ridiculous 3 point show that had to be at least 28 feet.  Even more ridiculous was the fact that he did the exact same thing next position.  (And then of course he got greedy and tried a third and missed).  But those two shots are what won the game for Lincoln.  You can't defend that.

At that point, Lincoln took off, went on a big run and put the game away.  Catholic did make up a little ground in the last few minutes, mostly because Lincoln is perhaps the most obnoxious team I've seen and didn't know when to stop fouling and letting the game run out.  

As far as where they go--if anybody can hang with them until the last few minutes, I have no doubt they'll lose.  They have great ability, good quickness.  Interior defense is weak, but they are an offensive juggernaut.  But they don't play smart, and even worse, they showboat.  They tried three alley-oops tonight and missed all of them.  They missed two other dunks besides that.  As good as their jump shooting was, they push it a little too far and miss.  They got by Catholic on ability tonight, but they are the type of team that will beat itself.

For Catholic, Wheeler and Olivero had 18, while Dwyer had 12.   Scott Fumai had a really tough night--he was very well defended all night--and had just 5.   White had 15 for Lincoln, other than that they distributed evenly.  

Frankly, considering Lincoln's depth and speed, I was pleased that Catholic hung with them.  CUA won the turnover battle but got badly outrebounding--I would have guess that it would go the other way.

It will be interesting to see how Lincoln fears--I'd be surprised if they got past VWU.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 03, 2007, 11:54:41 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on March 03, 2007, 10:56:10 PM
Pat, yeah, after what I saw tonight, I think there is.

This is related to southbend's post about another CAC team?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on March 03, 2007, 11:56:19 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 03, 2007, 11:52:44 PM
I will say this -- because of my unique position on the floor at the end of the game, I saw both exchanges between Howes and Yuille at the end of the game. The handshake was a brushoff. As Yuille finished the handshake line, I grabbed him for the postgame interview on NCAASports.com. As Howes came back from the other end, Yuille excused himself from the interview to go apologize.

Right, but the problem is not the coaching, its the kids.  Attitude is wrong.  You need to be worrying about the Sweet Sixteen, not showing up your opponents and playing for the crowd.  You don't attempt a reverse slam dunk on the final play of an elimination game, when the crowd was solely focused on giving a nice sendoff to a senior class.  You just don't do it.  The coach can apologize all he wants, I wouldn't want a kid like that wearing my uniform.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on March 03, 2007, 11:56:43 PM
Pat,
I thought you were responding to MuMu's comments about Lincoln...no?

If not, then nevermind--I don't know anything about that other situation that was being discussed.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on March 04, 2007, 12:13:35 AM
Well, let me take a minute to congratulate Catholic's seniors on an outstanding career.   These guys were fun to watch, and most importantly, they always represented the front of the jersey well.  They finished with a career record of 88-29 (.751), and were three time league champions.

I'm really going to miss this group--I'd have to say out of all the classes I've seen at Catholic, these guys were my favorite.  They genuinely liked each other and it showed.  I know that they will go on to great things after college, and I hope that the freshman and sophomores learned from these guys and will carry forward the tradition. 

Pat Dwyer was a leader from day one--I can remember going up to Franklin & Marshall and watching him get hurt in the second game of the season on a hustle play (diving out of bounds for a loose ball).  I knew he'd be a great leader.  He was a good rebounder, tough post precense, became a very good defender, and could shoot the ball.  The Baker on Dwyer play to end the UMW game and his 6/7 3 point performance against Hood were great moments.

Scott Fumai worked hard his whole career and was of the more versatile players I've seen--great clutch shooter, outstanding rebounder, was always "in" every game--even if he was having a bad shooting night, he would still kill you at the end. 

Stephen Wheeler progressed more than any CUA big man in recent memory--he really put it together this year to become a legitimate scoring threat.  He was always the consumate teammate and emotional leader--so often when he was an underclassman you'd see him on the bench rallying the troops and trying to get the fans into it. 

Mike Wasilenko was always underrated, but he too progressed during his four years and developed a very nice jump shot.  He was the guy that could bail out a bad offensive posession with a jumper.  He took care of the ball and was never intimidated.

Stephen Papageorge was hampered by an injury this year, but he hit some big shots during his time, too.  His buzzer beater against Susquehanna was one of the most memorable wins of the season.  I'm glad he had a chance to start during the final run here.

Sean Kelly was another great teammate.  He never saw much action but I know he practiced hard and helped make everybody better.

So anyway, this group should hold its head up high.  They had a successful season--surprised some people, even, and really stepped up.  I know its disappointing to lose, especially because they were really clicking.  I honestly feel like there are some teams still playing that Catholic could beat.  But they had a very tough matchup that just didn't work for them, and the bottom line is that unless you bring home that banner, your season is always going to end in a loss.

Also, let me congratulate Coach Howes and his staff on a great season.  I do believe they absolutely got the maximum out of this group.  Few third year coaches have had the kind of success Steve has, and I think there's a lot more to come.

Next year will be a challenge for Catholic--VERY young team, new league.  But as we saw tonight there are some underclassmen that can definitely play.  I understand that recruiting is going well.  I think that CUA basketball will continue to flourish.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cuabigdog on March 04, 2007, 04:05:18 PM
#1 Vermont Downs #5 UMBC, Will Host Championship Game Saturday
March 4, 2007
FINAL SCORE: #1 Vermont 72, #5 UMBC 63 -

BOSTON, Mass. – Sophomore Mike Trimboli (Norwalk, Conn.) and senior Chris Holm (Henderson, Nev.) combined for 38 points to lead the top seeded University of Vermont men's basketball team to a 72-63 victory over #5 UMBC in the America East Semifinals on Sunday at Agganis Arena. The Catamounts (25-6) they advance to their fifth straight conference title game on Saturday at 12:00pm against either #2 Albany or #3 Boston University.

The win is Vermont's 13th straight overall (fifth current longest in nation) and 19th out of its last 20. It is also the 13th straight away from home, which is the most consecutive in the country. With the victory the Catamounts tie the school record for most wins in a season, matching the 2004-05 squad.

"I am very happy to get the win today," said Vermont head coach Mike Lonergan. "I want to give UMBC a lot of credit. Our whole game plan was to limit their threes. We did not get off to a good start defending their threes, but we hung in their after the slow start. I think Mike's (Trimboli) bank-shot three at the buzzer to end the half really gave us some momentum and loosened us up. Our defense in the second was tremendous, going back to the way we play 'Vermont basketball'."

"I think it is a great win for our program. We have a week to prepare for a very good team that we are going to be facing and we are happy to be here."

In a tightly contested first half, the Catamounts took a 35-29 lead into the locker room. UMBC benefited from the three ball early on, hitting five of its first six attempts from behind the arc. Both offenses had their way early in a half that saw eight ties and six lead changes.

Vermont led 27-23 on a bucket by Trimboli with 8:33 to go before the half, but the Catamounts would not record another field goal until there was 1:07 left. The Retrieves scored the next six to take a 29-27 advantage, but UVM answered with the final eight points of the frame. Freshman Joe Trapani (Madison, Conn.) and Holm each hit one of two free throws and then junior Kyle Cieplicki (Shelburne, Vt.) hit a three. Trimboli put the finishing touches on with a three off glass right before the horn sounded.

In the second half the Retrievers continued to use the three ball, but this time from an unlikely source. Freshman Justin Fry sunk his first three of the season for UMBC's first points of the half and then hit another the next time down the court with the shot clock running down.

With Vermont on top 41-37, 6:35 into the half, the Catamounts scored nine of the next 11 over the next 2:53, capped off by five straight from Trimboli to push their lead to 50-39. Vermont led 58-48 with 5:54 to go as UMBC has one last burst, scoring seven straight to make it 58-55, but that would be as close as the Retrievers would get. The Catamounts hit eight straight free throws down the stretch with UMBC fouling to ice it.

Trimboli led Vermont for the second straight game in the championship with a team-high 20 points and six assists. Holm went for 18 points, 15 rebounds and three blocks, while Cieplicki shot 5-for-6 from the floor for 12 points.

Mike Housman led UMBC with 20, while Fry added 12 and Jay Greene ended with 11. Vermont held a 36-29 edge on the boards and committed only nine turnovers while forcing the Retrievers into 18 miscues. The Catamounts shot 54.4 percent from the floor in the second half and limited UMBC to shoot 34.3 percent after intermission.

The Catamounts will now face the winner of the #2 Albany/#3 Boston University match up on Saturday at Patrick Gym. It will be a 12:00pm tip-off and televised on ESPN2 and streamed live on the web on www.americaeast.com. The game can be heard live on WEAV-AM 960, WXZO-FM 96.7, WCVR-FM 102.1 (Randolph), WEAV-AM 960, and on the internet at www.uvmathletics.com with the audio stream provided by sportsjuice.com.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: muchacho on March 05, 2007, 09:41:42 AM
Congratulations to Catholic on another great year. Coach Howes has done a great job in his first 3 years, but it will be very interesting to see how he performs now that he will be using players not recruited by Mike Lonergan.
The team will have a lot of challenges next year with the new conference and the lack of established starters and senior leadership. Nick Olivero seems to have become the top returner, and the guard play seems to be decent. I'm truly hoping that Coach Howes can find a way to replace his 3-5 spots who provided the majority of Catholic's production this season.

And how long will Mike Lonergan stay at Vermont? Some big time schools should definitely be noticing the job he has done there, and trying to scoop him up before they miss out to another program.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on March 05, 2007, 01:15:18 PM
CAtholic is going to struggle a lot.  I can see them not winning 15 games.  We will see how good Coach Howe actually is once his own kids get the floor.  See Urban Meyer
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Cardinal guy on March 06, 2007, 12:10:25 PM
Howes' kids won the national title. I'm sure he'll be fine.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on March 09, 2007, 10:56:35 PM
Don't miss a chance to see Mike Lonergan on ESPN2 tomorrow...12 noon, Albany at Vermont with a trip to the NCAA's on the line. 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cuabigdog on March 10, 2007, 04:49:35 AM
Vermont's Lonergan Named NABC District I Coach of the Year
March 8, 2007

BURLINGTON, Vt. – University of Vermont men's basketball head coach Mike Lonergan was named the National Association of Basketball Coaches District I Coach of the Year. The NABC announced the winners from the 15 districts, which are selected by their peers, on Thursday.

He is joined on the list by such names as Billy Donovan (Florida), Billy Gillispie (Texas A&M), Ben Howland (UCLA) and John Thompson III (Georgetown).

L onergan has guided the Catamounts (25-6, 15-1 America East) to the America East Championship Title Gam e for the second straight season and posted a record of 38-23 at Vermont. He is the first coach in the Americ a East since Karl Fogel of Northeastern in 1986-8 7 to take his team to back-to-back title game appea rances in his first two years with a school.

He was also named the America East Coach of the Year at the a wards banquet on March 2 at Fenway Park, and th e CollegeInsi der.c om America East Coach of the Y ear. Lonergan, who led Ver mont to its first ever win over a ranked team in the r egular season when the Catamounts upset #14 Boston College on November 13 in Chestnut Hill, Mass., i s also a Hugh Durham Mid-Major Coach of the Year Finalist.

Lonergan and the top-seeded Catamounts will host second seed Albany on Saturday at noon on E SPN2 in the America East Championship Title Game. The contest is a rematch of last season and will be Vermo nt's fifth straight title ga me app e aranc e.

The basketball team is encourag ing everyone in attendance to wear gold apparel to t he nationally televised game. The UVM Bookstore will b e selling gold 'You Can't Stop Us' t-shirts as of Friday morning, and Mills and Greer will sell gold t-shirts st arting Friday as well.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cuabigdog on March 10, 2007, 04:50:54 AM
The top-seeded Catamounts (25-6, 15-1 America East) will square off against #2 Albany (22-9, 13-3 America East) for the America East Championship on Saturday at 12:00pm at Patrick Gym on ESPN2. The contest will be a rematch of the 2006 title game when the Catamounts advanced to the finals as a six seed before bowing out to the Great Danes on their home floor. Vermont is making its fifth straight trip to the championship game and is looking to advance the NCAA Tournament for the fourth time in that span.

The game can be heard live on WEAV-AM 960, WXZO- FM 96.7, WCVR-FM 102.1 (Randolph), and on the internet at www.uvmathletics.com with the audio stream provided by sportsjuice.com. Dave Koehn, the voice of the Catamount men's basketball team, will host an hour long pre-game show leading up to all the action, starting at 11:00am.

A pre-game fan fest will take place prior to the America East Men's Basketball Championship Game on Saturday morning in front of Patrick Gymnasium. The activities will kick-off at 10:00am and go until 11:30am, leading to the title game rematch between the Catamounts and Great Danes.

The basketball team is encouraging everyone in attendance to wear gold apparel to the nationally televised game on ESPN2. The UVM Bookstore is selling gold 'You Can't Stop Us' t-shirts, and Mills and Greer is also selling gold t-shirts
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on March 10, 2007, 08:36:43 PM
Well, Coach Lonergan and his Catamounts fell just short, losing to Albany 60-59.  Tough loss for Mike.

I hate to say it--and everyone knows I think he's one of the best coaches in the planet--but they actually lost basically because of a coaching mistake.  For some reason, he elected to have them hold for the last shot down 1 in a game where nobody could really move the ball well.  Predictably, they waited too long, panicked and turned the ball over.  I was screaming at the damn tv to just run the damn play.

Oh well.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cuabigdog on March 10, 2007, 08:48:20 PM
Matt
i can remember many a night at the Duf  when Lonergan would do the same thing.. but you still have to admit 25-7 is not a bad season .. Still have the NIT .. Marywash women just upset Bowdoin 64-59 to advance to the final 4 in Springfield
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on March 10, 2007, 09:49:17 PM
Oh, absolutely--he did a great job with a team that overperformed.  Its a shame that with his league, he can't get an NCAA bid anyway. 

I personally hate that play.  Catholic hasn't done that in a while--generally, they simply try to score if they are down.  I just think that teams wait too long to begin their drives.  Way too much can go wrong.  My feeling is that the burden is on the offense--trust your defense.  So if you can grab a lead, even with 11 seconds left, trust your defense to hold it.  In this particular game, they just simply wait too long to run their play. 

It killed me because it was a big time exposure day for Mike, and what happens but the second the game ends, he's getting criticized on ESPN by Brennan and the in studio analysts for holding the ball too long!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cuabigdog on March 12, 2007, 07:05:47 AM
Vermont Men's Basketball to Face Kansas State in NIT First Round
March 11, 2007


BURLINGTON, Vt. – The University of Vermont men's basketball team will travel to Manhattan, Kan. to face Kansas State in the opening round of the National Invitational Tournament. The game will take place on Wednesday at 8:00pm eastern and will be televised on ESPNU. The Catamounts earned a seven seed in the 32-team tournament, while the Wildcats are seeded second. It marks the Catamounts first appearance in the postseason NIT and the fourth time in the last five years that they have advanced to a postseason tournament. The field was announced on Sunday night on ESPN2.

"I know that they (Kansas State) almost made the NCAA Tournament and are from a great conference," said Vermont head coach Mike Lonergan. "It will be a heck of a challenge but we are looking forward to taking the trip. All the experiences will really help us for the future and I am very happy to still be playing."

Kansas State (22-11) made the Big 12 Championship Semifinals before falling to Kansas, a number one seed in the NCAA Tournament, 67-61 on Saturday afternoon. The Wildcats have wins this season over Texas, Texas Tech and Southern California. Kansas State finished 10-6 in the Big 12 this season and earned a fourth seed in the conference tournament.

Vermont is 25-7 on the year and was the America East Regular Season Champion. The 25 victories tie the school record for wins set by the 2004-05 squad. The top-seeded Catamounts advanced to the America East Championship Title Game for the fifth straight season this year, before falling to #2 Albany on Saturday, 60- 59.

The Catamounts have won 13 of their last 14 overall and boast the nation's longest road winning streak at 13 straight. Vermont is also tied for the most road/ neutral wins in the country this season with 16.

Also in the West Region with the Catamounts is top- seed Air Force against #8 Austin Peay, #5 Fresno State at #4 Georgia, and #6 Hofstra at #3 DePaul. The first-ever meeting in men's basketball between Vermont and Kansas State is one of the 11 first round contests to be featured on the ESPN family of networks.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on March 12, 2007, 01:27:13 PM
I've got Coach Lonergan and the Catamounts in the NIT final 4 on my bracket. Were using both this year to separate the men from the boys (and girlfriends who always seem to win somehow)

NIT: UVT, Syracuse, NC State, Michigan. Winner NC State and the red blazer!

NCAA: Georgetown, Ohio St. UCLA and Wisconsin (UMD takes Florida out in the Sweet 16) Winner: Ohio St.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on March 14, 2007, 10:40:00 AM
Congrats to the Spartans' Chad McGowan on earning the Mid-Atlantic Regional Player-of-the-Year. It's a well deserved honor for the YCP forward.

Also congrats to Hood's Jesse Gutekunst and Ryan Jughans and Catholic's Stephen Wheeler and Scott Fumai on earning spots on the All-Region teams.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 14, 2007, 11:44:45 AM
And Tom Dickman, regional coach of the year.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on March 14, 2007, 01:42:15 PM
Thanks Pat, I certainly didn't want to slight Coach Dickman. Hood had a great year and should be a league favorite next season.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: alum on March 17, 2007, 04:23:09 PM
Cardinal Fans, do you all remember how you celebrated the last time St. Patrick's Day fell on a Saturday?  Happy Anniversary to the Cardinals!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on March 17, 2007, 09:58:33 PM
That's right! And it was a fitting night for a team led by a Maloney and coached by a Lonergan!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on March 19, 2007, 03:50:04 PM
March 19, 2007

McGowan Named First-Team NABC All-American

YORK, PA-York College junior forward Chad McGowan (York, PA/Dallastown) became the first men's basketball player in school history to earn First-Team All-American honors as announced by the National Association of Basketball Coaches (NABC) on Friday afternoon. McGowan was also named the Middle Atlantic Player-of-the-Year by the NABC.
McGowan, who was named the Capital Athletic Conference Player-of-the-Year in February, led the Spartans to 16 wins as he averaged 21.7 points, 8.4 rebounds, 1.6 assists, and 1.0 blocked shots per game. McGowan shot 50.4% from the floor and 66.5% from the free throw line. He finished the season with 565 points and shattered the school-record for free throws made in a season with 143.
He became the 18th member of the school's 1,000 career point club in the December 12 win over Juniata College. He reached the milestone when he converted a short jumper from the lane with 8:54 remaining in the first half of the Spartans' 70-57 win over the Eagles.
McGowan finished the season ranked second in the CAC in scoring, fifth in rebounding, seventh in field goal percentage, and fourth in blocked shots. He reached double figures in 24 contests including a career-high 34 points at Salisbury on December 2. McGowan had three 30-plus point efforts and 14 20-plus point games. He registered eight double-doubles for the year.
Spartan head coach Jeff Gamber knows how difficult it is to earn All-American honors.
"It is a great accomplishment for Chad and our program," says Gamber who now has his first All-American in his 30-year tenure at YCP.
McGowan is one of eight first-team All-Americans in Division III men's basketball, a sport with over 6,000 participants nationwide. He finishes the season as one of the top one percent of all players in Division III men's basketball. One of those eight first-team All-Americans will be voted the national player of the year later this week.
McGowan was also named D3hoops.com Middle Atlantic Player-of-the-Year and honorable mention All-American earlier last week.
McGowan will lead the Spartans into action in 2007-08 as York looks to return to the NCAA Tournament after failing to make the tournament for the first time in McGowan's career.

NABC All-Middle Atlantic Region Teams

First Team
Chad McGowan - York (Pa.) *
Jared Yoder - Messiah **
Nick Shattuck - Ursinus ***
Frank Emslie - FDU-Florham
Garrett Etzel - Alvernia
Matt Griffin - Johns Hopkins

Second Team
Scott Fumai - Catholic
Isaac Greer - Chestnut Hill
Sami Wylie - Lincoln
Jimmy Curran - Lebanon Valley
Jesse Gutekunst - Hood

Coach of the Year - Bill Nelson Johns Hopkins

* Region Player of the Year and First-Team All-American
** Second Team All-American
*** Third Team All-American
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: FSU Bobcats on March 24, 2007, 11:50:32 AM
Hey guys, Frostburg State fan here.  With all the talk of the death of the ACFC, we've been hearing that the CC could start sponsoring football as soon as 2008.  Have any of you heard anything about that?

Thanks.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 25, 2007, 12:27:35 PM
CC usually indicates Centennial Conference... which already has football.

The Capital Athletic Confernece - which goes by CAC - doesn't have football and I am pretty sure it won't in the near future. Mainly because Gallaudet (Club team), Hood, Marymount, Mary Washington, St. Mary's, Villa Julie, and York don't have football programs!

Also... Frostburg isn't a part of the CAC last time I checked. Rumors were the school was trying to get in as a full time member... and even tried one sport - but since the CAC doesn't allow part-time membership, I don't think those rumors are true.

Not sure why you brought up this question... to be honest!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 25, 2007, 08:43:49 PM
Gallaudet's football team is varsity again in the fall.

Bobcats -- I posted in more detail on the subject on the ACFC board, for what it's worth.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 25, 2007, 09:32:01 PM
But how long with Gallaudet still be in the CAC?  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 25, 2007, 09:34:11 PM
Considering the last two attempts at varsity football status, my question would be how long will Gallaudet still have varsity football?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: FSU Bobcats on March 30, 2007, 10:10:01 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 25, 2007, 08:43:49 PM
Gallaudet's football team is varsity again in the fall.

Bobcats -- I posted in more detail on the subject on the ACFC board, for what it's worth.

Saw that, thanks. 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cuabigdog on April 10, 2007, 10:40:17 AM
Hope everyone has a safe and relaxing summer full of sun n fun .. see everyone next season with the starting of the LANDMARK conf..  ya'll come back now ya hear ..
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cuabigdog on April 19, 2007, 07:18:21 PM
Vermont Men's Basketball Honored At Statehouse On Tuesday
April 19, 2007
BURLINGTON, Vt. - The America East Regular Season Champion University of Vermont men's basketball team was honored on Tuesday morning at the Vermont Statehouse in Montpelier.

Vermont Governor James Douglas congratulated coach Mike Lonergan and the Catamounts with a reception at the Statehouse followed by the Vermont House of Representatives and the Vermont State Senate presenting a joint resolution in honor of the team in their respective chambers.

This past season Vermont went 25-8 overall and won the America East Regular Season Championship with a 15-1 league mark. The Catamounts tied the school record for wins in a season and advanced the postseason National Invitational Tournament for the first time in school history. Vermont also tied for the national lead in road/neutral victories with 16 on the season, which included winning 13 straight at one point.

Below is the text of the Vermont House of Representatives and State Senate Resolution:

House concurrent resolution congratulating the 2006-2007 University of Vermont Catamounts men's basketball team on an outstanding season:
Whereas, the 2006-2007 University of Vermont (UVM) Catamounts men's basketball team thrilled its fans with exciting play and an impressive record of victories, and
Whereas, on the night of February 22, UVM defeated the Boston University Terriers 57-55 to capture the Catamounts' third America East Conference regular season championship, and
Whereas, during the last regular season contest, against the University of Hartford, senior Chris Holm set a new UVM single-season record of 353 rebounds, and
Whereas, the first-seeded Catamounts proceeded to their fifth America East Conference championship tournament and topped both Hartford 81-62 and the University of Maryland Baltimore County 72-63, in the quarter and seminal rounds, respectively, and
Whereas, before a capacity crowd at UVM's Patrick Gymnasium, the Catamounts and the Albany Great Danes battled in a thrilling and multiple lead changing game to a 56-all tie with 3:14 left to play, and
Whereas, despite the Catamounts' heroic efforts, the Great Danes defeated UVM by a heartbreaking one-point margin of 60-59 that ended the Catamount's amazing 13-consecutive-game win streak, and
Whereas, in National Invitational Tournament play, the UVM Catamounts stayed competitive against the Kansas State University Wildcats before losing by an extremely close 59-57 score, and
Whereas, during the 2006-2207 season, UVM tied the school record of 25 victories and had the best rebound margin of 9.7 of any college basketball team in the nation, and
Whereas, individual Catamounts were the recipients of considerable special recognition, including: Chris Holm and Mike Trimboli who were named to the America East All-Conference First Team and All-Championship Teams; separately, Trimboli was named the America East Fan's Choice Player of the Year, and Holm won a spot on the United States Basketball Writers Association District I Team, and the CollegeInsider.com selected him as the America East Most Valuable Player; Joe Trapani was selected for the All Rookie America East squad and the Collegehoops.net Mid-Major All Freshman Team; and Martin Klimes was named to the America East All Conference Third Team and to both the conference's all-defensive and all academic teams, and
Whereas, UVM Coach Mike Lonergan won multiple honors, being named America East Coach of the Year, the National Association of Basketball Coaches' District I Coach of the Year, and CollegeInsider.com's America East Coach of the Year, now therefore be it Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives:
That the General Assembly congratulates the 2006-2007 University of Vermont Catamounts' men's basketball team on an outstanding season, and be it further
Resolved: That the secretary of state be directed to send a copy of this resolution to Mike Lonergan at the University of Vermont.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on May 03, 2007, 09:59:39 AM
According to the school's President, the NCAA is investigating a complaint about a grade change for a student athlete at Gallaudet.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/05/02/AR2007050202453.html

The article does not identify the sport the athlete played.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cuabigdog on May 06, 2007, 11:49:12 AM
Vermont Men's Basketball Head Coach Mike Lonergan To Take Part in Operation Hardwood
May 1 2007
BURLINGTON, Vt. - University of Vermont men's basketball head coach Mike Lonergan will join a group of NCAA basketball coaches and sports personalities on a tour of Kuwait to take part in Operation Hardwood from May 22-28. 'Operation Hardwood-Hoops With The Troops' is an initiative launched to boost morale among U.S. military men and women serving in the Middle East, and give thanks to the people of Kuwait for their continued support.

The coaches will spend a great deal of time with military personnel - visiting their barracks, sharing meals and listening to stories about their experiences which will help coaches to understand the full measure of how much military personnel sacrifice in being away from home. During the tour, the participants will coach military basketball teams featuring the best military players who will compete in a championship tournament.

"It is an honor and a privilege to be selected to participate in Operation Hardwood," said Lonergan. "I have talked with coach Gary Williams and coach Tom Izzo, past participants, and they both told me it was one of the greatest experiences of their lifetime. I feel blessed to be able to spend time in Kuwait with our troops. Through the wonderful game of basketball we are able to show our support of these great men and women of the armed forces."

Other coaches participating this year are: Mike Brey (Notre Dame), Ed Conroy (The Citadel), Jim Crews (U.S. Military Academy), Terry Dunn (Dartmouth), Dennis Felton (Georgia), Fran Fraschilla (ESPN personality and former St. John's head coach), Reggie Minton (NABC and former Air Force head coach), Jimmy Patsos (Loyola) and Skip Prosser (Wake Forest).

For 65 years, the USO (United Service Organizations) has been providing morale, welfare and recreational services to U.S. military personnel and their families. The USO is a nonprofit, charitable organization, relying on the generosity of the American people to support its programs and services.

This past season Lonergan guided Vermont to a mark of 25-8 overall and won the America East Regular Season Championship with a 15-1 league mark. The Catamounts tied the school record for wins in a season and advanced to the postseason National Invitational Tournament for the first time in school history. Vermont also tied for the national lead in road/neutral victories with 16 on the season, which included winning 13 straight at one point.

Lonergan led Vermont to its first victory over a ranked opponent in the regular season as the Catamounts shocked #14 Boston College 77-63 in Chestnut Hill, Mass. on Nov. 13. Following the season he was named the America East Coach of the Year, the NABC District I Coach of the Year, CollegeInsider.com America East Coach of the Year and was a finalist for the Hugh Durham Mid-Major Coach of the Year.

With Vermont heading back to the championship game last season for the fifth straight season, Lonergan became the first coach in the America East since Karl Fogel of Northeastern in 1986-87 to take his team to back-to-back title game appearances in his first two years with a school
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cold_case on May 07, 2007, 11:13:19 AM
One Catholic HOMER still seeks a worthwhile post

May 7, 2007
WILKES-BARRE, PA -- Other than a couple of Catholic fans, does anyone actually give a frog's fat behind about Lonergan?
Does they think anyone gives a hoot about former Scranton player Sean Kearney getting a three-year contract extension as the associate head coach and recruiting coordinator at Notre Dame, a real major college? Of course not.
Besides, postings of Longergan are on the wrong message oard. Unless cuabigdog is trying to rub it in the faces of his former CAC rivals, who, like I stated above, can give a two cents!
In other news, it's a good bet that the five schools who once comprised the Middle Atlantic Region and a sixth institution from the North, will all be inconvenienced and put in the Atlantic Region to pacify the remaining two schools from below the Mason-Dixon line. The majority does not rule. Book it. The soon-to-be decision, which is going to be aided by an individual or two not connected to the initial six schools, are sure to kill any staying power the Landmark Conference will have at staying operative. Odds are 25-1 against. Politics is a killer.
Talked with three coaches about the region and they all agree. They also can't see it lasting.
Stay tuned.
Finally, that's a worthwhile post.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 07, 2007, 01:50:34 PM
I think people do give a hoot about what former D-III players do, and if someone were to post about Sean Kearney on the MAC-F or Landmark boards I would support it the same way.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on May 07, 2007, 04:56:27 PM
For what it's worth, I care about Lonergan and any other ex-D3 coach who does well in the lower divisions.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on June 22, 2007, 08:29:37 AM
Here's an article on a new player transferring to York from D-II Philadelphia College. Levi Winters is a York area kid who should have plenty of familiarity with Chad, Nate and the other York area boys.

http://www.yorkdailyrecord.com/collegesports/ci_6193914
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CACsportsnut on June 30, 2007, 04:25:51 PM
So with the edition of Levi Winters, York almost has to be the favored team in a strong, yet weak CAC conference.

You have Hood with Junghans and Gutekunst returning, St. Marys will be tough, Marymount returns almost everyone, including Gray and Stanbeck. Other then these teams listed it might be a pretty weak conference.

But York has to be the clear-cut favorite as of now if I am not mistaken right? They return a real core of players, losing only there 2 starting guards, but with the arrival of this D-2 player who seems to be able to play point to post they should be able to bump Nate Lankford and bring in CAC-Freshman of the year Nick Brady as the guards. Then run with Winters, there previous PF and of course, 1st team All-American Chad McGowan. Only question, Brady was there only real source of offense off the bench last year, what does the bench offer? I remember York going 8-9, even 10 deep some games, so there will be some semi-veterans I am sure bringing energy off the bench. Then again...if not...York might be able to still do really well, thats one of the more impressive startin 5's i have seen in the CAC in the past 5-10 years.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on August 05, 2007, 04:11:39 PM
Gallaudet Gets 2-Year Probation

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/03/AR2007080301957.html

"Gallaudet University athletics are on probation for the next two years, according to school officials, because of an ineligible student-athlete who competed in the 2005-06 volleyball season."

"The new provost, Stephen Weiner, will follow up with a two-year review of all sports at Gallaudet. Gallaudet teams will continue to play in conference games."
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on August 11, 2007, 11:48:57 AM
Gallaudet Athletics launched new website with new look, interactives features and on..


Click on.. http://www.gallaudetathletics.com/


Many thanks to the Presto Sports and Viable, Inc. for make it possible.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on August 11, 2007, 11:59:55 AM
Michael Weinstock appointed Interim Athletic Director

Michael Weinstock has been appointed interim athletic director for Gallaudet's Athletic and Intramural Programs. Weinstock has been the coordinator of Athletics, P.E., Recreation, and Intramural Programs for approximately the past 11 years at the Model Secondary School for the Deaf (MSSD). Prior to that position he was the assistant athletic director/intramurals coordinator at MSSD for 12 years. Weinstock is a 1976 graduate of MSSD and a 1981 alumnus of Gallaudet, where he lettered in basketball for four years. He went on to earn his master's degree from Gallaudet in 1994.

During his time at MSSD, Weinstock was very active in the "M" Booster Club and helped increase donations, sponsorships, and support for the organization. In 2000, he founded the Clerc Classic boys and girls basketball and cheerleading tournament, which had top teams from the nation's deaf schools competing for the national title. He has coached a number of middle school, high school, and college-level sports teams for the past 26 years. Under his tenure as coach, the girls' and boys' basketball teams won numerous National Deaf Prep championships --16 of them while he was athletic director. He coached the girls' softball team, which also earned special national recognition. Silent News honored Weinstock as Coach of the Year in boys basketball, girls basketball, football, and girls softball. In 1997 he coached the U.S.A. women's basketball team, which won a gold medal at the Deaf World Games in Denmark. He was also the director of the U.S.A. Team Development at the Deaf Olympic Games in Italy in 2001. Weinstock has stated that one of his proudest moments was being selected as Coach of the Month by ESPN.com in 2000. Coaching has been a big part of Weinstock's professional career and he is also pleased that a number of staff who worked for him throughout the years have become athletic directors at deaf schools across the nation.

Weinstock looks forward to working with the Gallaudet community and will be committed to ensuring the integrity of all athletic programming and in bringing them to a higher level of standards, competitiveness, and recognition. One of his main priorities will be to focus on academic issues for student-athletes and to foster increased collaborative efforts between all athletic programs and faculty.

Link - http://www.gallaudetathletics.com/sports/generalnews/2007-08/08092007_MWAnnouncedIAD
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycpfinal4 on August 16, 2007, 11:10:38 PM
www.GOTathletes.com

All,
      A former CAC player on the best York College team of all-time, Padraic K. Lee #33, has created a websire to help develop an easier way for athletes, fans, coaches, and sponsors to connect off the feild.  This could be very beneficial for top rated college players also.  We plan to have a myriad of oversea's coaches and scouts as part of our network.  For all the D3 players, like myself, to have a network to communicate with oversea's coaches would be great.  I know that making the NBA would be to lofty of a goal.  This website could help those collegiate players of any sport be able to network effectively to continue their athletic career anywhere, or anytime. 
      If you support the CAC as a conference, please check this site out and create a profile.  ITS FREE!!!!!!!  If there are any questions or comments, please feel free to e mail the president of www.GOTatheletes.com, Pad Lee at patrick@GOTathletes.com.  Thank you,


#54
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 17, 2007, 02:32:01 PM
Probably could've e-mailed me when we rejected the registration for this user and explained what it was all about. It seemed like spam.

Of course, with all the posts in this region about it, it looks like spam too.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycpfinal4 on August 17, 2007, 05:26:16 PM
Just try it out.  It wont hurt. . . . . I promise.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbsquared on August 29, 2007, 10:16:44 AM
Well, school has started and all the students should be starting classes soon. Other than York's big pick up, are there any other rumored stars being added to CAC rosters?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on September 19, 2007, 10:23:33 PM
Changes in the CAC:

http://www.gallaudetathletics.com/20070912_JebBarberAnnouncement
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: FormerPlayer on October 02, 2007, 02:30:34 PM
FLASH NEWS

At Gallaudet....

Hired Jeb Barber from Villa Julie...   I thought this would be a nice pick-up for Gallaudet since Jeb is a long-time assistant coach.   I see Jeb will have a difficult time communicating with the deaf players unless they got somebody who can talk and sign.

What ya think?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 02, 2007, 02:35:49 PM
WOW - no one reads posts around here :).

Former Player - that story is the one I linked at the top!

Good luck to Jeb... he has certainly earned his dues but he is not entering exactly the most ideal situation. I hope he does well and helps turn a proud team around.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 02, 2007, 04:57:24 PM
Quote from: FormerPlayer on October 02, 2007, 02:30:34 PM
FLASH NEWS

At Gallaudet....

Hired Jeb Barber from Villa Julie...   I thought this would be a nice pick-up for Gallaudet since Jeb is a long-time assistant coach.   I see Jeb will have a difficult time communicating with the deaf players unless they got somebody who can talk and sign.

What ya think?

John Becker picked up sign language. Ed Hottle picked up sign language. Heck, I worked there a day and a half a week for like three months and even I picked up some signs.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on October 03, 2007, 10:42:51 AM


Folks -

Here is a link to an interesting (albeit discouraging) article in the York Daily Record that may have some bearing or impact on the York College Men's basketball season this year. As much as I hate to be the messenger of "bad news", I thought this article at least deserved a mention and the posting of a link.

//http://www.ydr.com/newsfull/ci_7067445?source=rv

Thoughts? Comments?

I don't know about you guys, but I can hardly wait for the Division III season to begin. Bring on the games now! Regards to all.

Eric



Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 03, 2007, 02:21:11 PM
If the allegations are true... this is disappointing and disturbing.

That being said, being in the news business... I will reserve my judgement until the facts are out.

However... this will seemingly have some affect on the team. McGowan has been one of the conference's top players since his freshmen year... to have this hanging over him, the team, and the school entering his senior year is certainly going to be distracting.

Of course the easiest way to make this go away is to plead out (not saying he is guilty, just an option), but that would probably end his career.

Certainly worth watching closely!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 03, 2007, 09:15:56 PM
By the way... more problems for Gallaudet:

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/10/03/deafschool.racial.incident/index.html
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cac on October 18, 2007, 11:53:36 AM
I noticed Jerome Habel not on the San Diego St. roster for 2007-08.
He has to be out of options at this point to play D-I.
I believe he was listed as a Soph last season. Not sure how they figured that.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: muchacho on October 19, 2007, 11:15:51 PM
Sad to hear about McGowan in trouble like that. It sounds like the girl testifying about the incident is a York student, so I wouldn't be surprised if she knew Chad McGowan...even if she had trouble identifying other people. At his size and being a star player at a small school, he is a guy that stands out. If he is guilty...hopefully he is punished accordingly and realizes what he has lost through his stupidity. If not...hopefully things will clear up for him to get another opportunity.

Diplomaniac...keep us updated if you can.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbsquared on October 21, 2007, 11:29:30 AM
York paper reported that nothing new has come to light. Chad is not practicing with the York team until it is cleared up. Coach and AD had no comment to questions, as they should until situation is decided.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CACsportsnut on October 22, 2007, 06:49:56 PM
False. This is how rumors start.

Chad is practicing with the team. Coaches are being very loyal to their player by not speaking to anyone about it. Chad's lawyer is fighting that Chad did not participate in the fight, and that he was just a by stander
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbsquared on October 22, 2007, 07:15:11 PM
Sorry CACSportsnut, here is where I got the info. I must have misunderstood the sit out part. Sorry for any confusion. Here's the link:

http://www.ydr.com/newsfull/ci_7223356
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on October 26, 2007, 12:07:24 AM
Well another basketball season is upon us...Who are the top 3.  It's gotta be York, Hood, and Mary Wash.  So long to Catholic and Goucher, welcome Welsey and Villa Julie.  Should be a great year of basketball.  Pending how the Chad situation works out, it should be the year of the Chad.

My preseason picks.
1. York
2. Hood
3. Mary Wash
4. Salisbury
5. Villa Julie
6. St. Mary's
7. Wesley
8. Marymount
9. Galludet
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on October 26, 2007, 08:03:24 PM
Salem,

I wouldn't put St. Mary's too far down that list. They might be the most physically talented team in the league. They are going to be very tough.

As for the Spartans, I think they still have a great deal of work to do. True, they are a deep and talented bunch but they need to mesh and learn to play together. I am sure Coach Gamber will have them ready to go on November 17.

This should be a very exciting conference season!

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on October 26, 2007, 10:03:00 PM
YCP,

I agree with you completely.  My only issue with them is winning conference road  games.  They were great at home last year but can they continue that success thise year.  I think the conf. is deep despite the departure of Catholic.  I would like to see how York deals with there depth this year and the Chad situation. 

We all make preseason predictions but they are never right so we will see what happens...looking forward to opening day.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on October 27, 2007, 10:20:25 AM
My preseason picks would be:

1. Hood
2. York
3. UMW
4. St. Mary's
5. Salisbury
6. Villa Julie
7. Marymount
8. Wesley
9. Galludet

Until Gutekunst graduates, or someone from York can check him I think Hood has the upper hand. Looking at York's roster, there sure is a lot of size there (with no one under 6 feet) but what there isn't is a big body who can get down in the blocks with Gutekunst. I keep checking to see if Brian Singer has any eligibility left, and he doesn't. We need a big boy!

I'm excited to see Levi Winters and Matt Foley play for this York squad, because I think they bring an extra element to the line up.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CACsportsnut on November 05, 2007, 11:03:06 AM
How does York do against Mansfield in there opening exhibition game tonight?

Any predictions?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on November 05, 2007, 11:24:45 AM
I hope to make it out to the York v Mansfield game tonight to see how the new guys fit into the system. I know very little about Mansfield so I wouldn't venture a guess, but it will be nice to see how they play against D-II tallent.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbsquared on November 05, 2007, 04:56:16 PM
I heard something about Mary Wash playing an exhibition last week. Anyone have any details? They have a couple of big guys that have come in this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CACsportsnut on November 05, 2007, 09:41:23 PM
York loses a close one 86-81 to a taller and more athletic Mansfield. They were up by 12 with about 13 minutes left and Mansfield clawed there way back with penetration and a full court trap that at times had York baffled.

McGowan and Brady turn in nice games, McGowan with 22 points and 6 rebounds, Brady was high scorer with 23, other then that not to much scoring. York has a very dangerous squad, that is obvious, with firepire out to "wazoo." Work still needs to be done, but they are definately just as dangerous as ever, if not more.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: watcher on November 05, 2007, 11:01:12 PM
st marys is going to be very good this year they brought in a great freshman class plus bring back all there key players expect one how there picked to not finish atleast 3rd is beyond me
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on November 08, 2007, 07:03:10 PM


Folks -

I am normally a poster in the Centennial Conference room. However, I found this link on the Conference website to an article in The Baltimore Sun containing pre-season previews more than just the Maryland members of the Centennial Conference. So, I am also posting it and sharing in the rooms of several other conferences: AMCC, CAC, and Landmark.

The link follows below:

//http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/college/basketball/mens/bal-sp.smallcaps06nov06,0,2462025.story?page=2

Enjoy! Bring on the season. Good luck to all teams. Regards to all.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on November 09, 2007, 04:18:15 PM
Figured I'd poke in here since I know how much you all probably missed me.  And how much you're going to miss the Cards.

Good luck to everyone.  For what its worth, I think Hood is obviously the team to beat, but after that I think its pretty wide open.  You have to wonder if York's, uh, off court diversions (not a great offseason for some of their players...or their body parts) will affect them, but if not, they've clearly got the talent to be right there. 

I wouldn't discount VJC, either.  Mary Washington should have been better than they were last year, so I don't know what to expect from them.  Interesting how women's basketball has stolen the thunder down there. 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: watcher on November 10, 2007, 12:42:11 AM
st marys lost to bowie state by 10 at verizon center and had many chances to beat them just could never close the gap. I repeat what I said before st marys is gonns surprise people by how good they have alot good returners and a great group of freshman  Bowie state was loaded with d1 transfers including players from umass and cal and barely could get by them
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CACsportsnut on November 10, 2007, 10:30:59 AM
What do you mean..."Or there body parts?"
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on November 12, 2007, 11:35:39 AM
I was confusing Scranton and York.  (Old Rival vs. New Rival). 

Sorry Yorkies.

If you hadn't heard, Scranton had a player who this offseason decided it would be a good idea to, uh...cut off his own...well, you know.

Point probably still stands though...if your best player has that kind of off the court drama, it might distract things.  But we'll see.

I'm sure St. Mary's is talented, by the way---they've frequently had talent, even D1 talent who had an affinity for dealing or using drugs--the issue has always been staying together as a team for a whole season, just like a few other programs in the CAC.

At this point, SMC is going to have to prove it for anybody to buy them as a contender.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on November 12, 2007, 03:53:43 PM
Matt, 60-5 the last two years for the women will do that. :-)

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbsquared on November 12, 2007, 06:37:15 PM
The women's record and placing 6th after being the concensus top team last year!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on November 12, 2007, 07:10:50 PM
Yeah, it was a tie for 4th. And beat York in the quarters of the tourney.
I get your point though. Hopefully with the addition of some post players this year, we'll be more well-rounded offensively.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cardinal3007 on November 13, 2007, 01:14:20 AM
Matt, stop embarassing the Catholic alums with your snobby remarks, I hope all the posters know he is a an exception to most of us.  I still remember the day Coach Lonergan ripped you a new one for your loud mouth and Pat had to pull your posts about are own players, some fan.  The players on the the national championship team all thought you were a joke...  Be positive,  good luck CAC I will miss the great rivalries we had.  Maybe coach will get some non conf games in the future with you guys...
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MR. PAC on November 13, 2007, 05:31:32 PM
I saw CU play, wasn't impressed.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on November 13, 2007, 09:22:18 PM
Quote from: cardinal3007 on November 13, 2007, 01:14:20 AM
Matt, stop embarassing the Catholic alums with your snobby remarks, I hope all the posters know he is a an exception to most of us.  I still remember the day Coach Lonergan ripped you a new one for your loud mouth and Pat had to pull your posts about are own players, some fan.  The players on the the national championship team all thought you were a joke...  Be positive,  good luck CAC I will miss the great rivalries we had.  Maybe coach will get some non conf games in the future with you guys...

Woah there.  Welcome to the board Cardinal3007! Guess I admire the gumption.

So who are you?  As you can see, I don't hide behind a screen name--I'm accountable for everything I say.  That wasn't always the case, which is why what you said doesn't make much sense.

Normally I wouldn't really bother, but this is a new board with some people I don't know, and vice versa, so a quick rebuttal.

Coach Lonergan never "ripped me a new one."  Ever.  I didn't know Mike as well as some, but we always got along.  And you think that Mike Lonergan would get upset at someone for having a loud mouth? Have you ever met Mike Lonergan?

To my knowledge, I've never had a post deleted on this board.  Perhaps Pat can verify that.  You seem to imply that I posted negative things about Catholic players, and that Pat pulled down posts because of that.   I don't think he even WOULD do that, even if that were true, which it isn't.

Further, the national championship team was 2001.  Back then, I was not as involved with this board and posted quite sporadically.  I doubt very much that anyone other than one or two specific members of that team had any idea who I was, and certainly not enough to think anything at all about me.

Finally, I didn't start posting under my own name until around 2003, when I realized that I needed to be accountable for what I posted.  I don't think anyone on the 2001 team even would have known who was who back then.

So basically, I have no idea what you are talking about, but I certainly invite you to identify yourself, especially if you actually are a Catholic fan, and maybe elaborate a little bit.    Maybe you have me confused with somebody else.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 14, 2007, 12:15:08 AM
Fairly interesting conversation.

I can't help but notice that cardinal3007 has a similar IP address to an official attached to another school.

However, yes, I have pulled Matt Letourneau posts in the past. The long, long past. Don't know if they were "about are [sic] own players" but I definitely pulled a couple. Just not since like 2003.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dan Johnson on November 14, 2007, 07:53:24 AM
Move it on over to the Landmark...
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cardinal3007 on November 14, 2007, 05:09:14 PM
First off I am a Catholic alum.  I have several good friends who played or went to other schools in the old CAC.  I stand by my statements regarding Matty.  I am tired of Matt being so negative towards players... let the players play and comment about the individual games.  I will head strictly to the Landmark after this Dan thanks, once again good luck CAC maybe you will visit the Landmark for a game every now and then...
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on November 14, 2007, 09:02:04 PM
Ok, well its really not appropriate for this continue on this board.  The CAC posters here know exactly how "negative" I've been to Catholic players over the years--I'm sure they're having quite a chuckle.

Good luck to all the CAC teams this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on November 16, 2007, 07:41:47 PM
UMW 97, Penn College 31

Justin Baker 17 points, 6 rebs, three assists in 20 min.
Kevin Storus 16 points, 8 rebounds, 2 steals in 23 min.
Eric Pearson 10 pts
Eric Rolander 10 pts

New UMW school record for fewest points against in a game.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbsquared on November 16, 2007, 07:48:01 PM
Looks like UMW got a chance to see some of their new guys, It will be interesting to see where the scoring came from.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on November 17, 2007, 09:14:14 AM
Either Mary Wash is really good, or Penn College is really terrible....

Intersting matchup for the Eagles today against Susquehanna, one of the stronger teams in the Landmark Conference.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on November 17, 2007, 04:58:45 PM
Susquehanna 86, UMW 62

Close game at the half, 40-37, Susquehanna shot lights out in the 2nd.

Justin Baker (18 points, 7 rebs) and Matt Hale (23 points on 8-12 shooting, 6-8 on treys) named to the all-tournament team.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: TheGrove on November 17, 2007, 06:05:24 PM
mwcsid, it was a really tight game in the first half. I thought Susquehanna might have been worn out by the OT game last night, but they really came alive in the second. Good play by your guys though, Hale is a heck of a shooter.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on November 18, 2007, 01:56:52 PM
I have not been home in a while.  Can someone update me on why Chad McGowan did not play the two opening games?

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: spartanfan on November 18, 2007, 10:10:59 PM
Been a while since I've been on here...looong while, would also like to know what's going on with Chad.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 18, 2007, 11:04:04 PM
Here are a couple of articles to help you two posters out... some of which could have been found reading the last few pages of this forum:

http://ydr.inyork.com/ydr/search/ci_7276856?IADID=Search-ydr.inyork.com-ydr.inyork.com

http://ydr.inyork.com/ydr/search/ci_7477515?IADID=Search-ydr.inyork.com-ydr.inyork.com
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: spartanfan on November 19, 2007, 07:44:39 PM
Appreciate the info D...
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 19, 2007, 07:46:21 PM
No problem spartanfan... hope everything works out for McGowan and the Spartans this year. It isn't going to be easy, especially in the CAC!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on November 20, 2007, 10:01:23 AM
Opening day, season two in the Grumbacher Center tonight. It seems like the off season flew by this year, and I'm ready for more York College Basketball. The boys had a rough start to the season down in Virginia but rebounded nicely and they should be even better now.

I look forward to watching all the boys tonight and seeing for myself how they fit together on the floor. I've seen a few practices from on high, but there's nothing like this time, a few games into the season, to see where we may go. Go Spartans!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 24, 2007, 01:46:04 PM
Hey... busy weekend of basketball and I am at the Provident Pride of Maryland Tournament where St. Mary's, Salisbury, Hood, and Villa Julie are playing, along with former CAC school, Goucher.

If anyone is curious about what is happening and can't make the game, I am blogging court-side on the Daily Dose.
http://www.d3hoops.com/dailydose/2007/11/24/court-side-at-the-provident-pride-tournament/

Enjoy!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 25, 2007, 11:59:08 PM
Got to watch four CAC teams this weekend, each playing two games and one of which was a CAC match-up.

Hood is certainly better than most teams in this region, though they lost to a very gritty and hard-nosed McDaniel team in the Provident Pride of Maryland championship game. Gutekunst is tougher inside than I remember last season; Junghans is certainly a major threat outside; Bennett is a very good guard with a pretty good jumper; Scott showed he may be a decent point for the Blazers; and we shall see how Abercrombie fits in to the group when he returns.

St. Mary's showed they are a very good up and down the court team with some potential. But once again, the lack of composure, especially from some of their senior players , is their achilles heal. I know that having emotion is sometimes a good thing, but I have yet to see this squad have it help them. That emotion cost them in a tough game against Hood, and while they beat Salisbury easily on Sunday, I saw several times where they were losing the composure game.

Salisbury is a young squad who obviously misses the leadership of Ray Williams - along with his points. They were simply out-matched against McDaniel and while half of the game with St. Mary's was good, they couldn't compete in the 2nd half. Salisbury does have some young talent I like and they are aggressive on defense, but they have to get used to playing with each other first.

Villa Julie is in a similar position as Salisbury, but maybe a bit more polished. They gave Hopkins a good run into overtime Sunday with hard-nosed, aggressive, and quick defense... along with some timely shooting. But they are in a bit of rebuilding stage and probably won't be looking to win the conference (they did lose a lot from last year - 7 of their top 10, I think), but they are going to cause PLENTY of problems for teams. The CAC may have lost Goucher and its tough defense, but they gained a Mustang squad that may have some people have flashbacks to that tough Gopher defense.

Early season pick is Hood for the title in this conference, but I must admit, I don't know what to expect from MWU, Marymount, or Wesley. However, Hood has most of what they had last year back... in what was a regular season CAC crown!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on November 28, 2007, 08:56:48 PM
Halftime at Goolrick...

UMW 28, Salisbury 21

Ugly, ugly. 22 turnovers combined in the first half.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 28, 2007, 09:08:17 PM
I didn't see any "pretty" basketball from the Sea Gulls on Saturday and Sunday... so that doesn't surprise me.

UMW on the other hand, I am a bit surprised.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on November 28, 2007, 09:50:39 PM
York falls to Hood 74-68

Very tight the whole way....York falls to 2-3 and below 500 for the first time in I believe 3 years (03-04).   The York starting 5 is prolly the best in the conference but where is the bench?  2 bench points against Hood is not going to cut it.  You can not have your starting 5 playin 30-35 minutes a night, this league is too deep.  Luckily its early and I think York is still finding there identity.  Hood came in and played well and looks as if they will be at the top of the conference this year.  Levi Winters looked great (first time I have seen him).  He adds a different dimension to this team. 

To all of the York Faithful, let's show some enthusium.  Where is the crowd that was there the last 2 years?  Did they all graduate?  Those two guys in the front who used to lead the cheers were great.  We need them back...If anyone knows them please tell them to get to the games. 

Anyway LEt's Go York and pick up a win on Thursday!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on November 29, 2007, 09:19:44 AM
UMW ended up winning, 69-53.
Eagles shot very well, and started making threes in the second half. Limited the TO's in the second half as well, but it's early.
Altmann and Pierce had 15 each, Hale 14, and Baker 11-8 rebs-7 assists.

Palmer had 18 for Salisbury, and Ward 10.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbsquared on December 03, 2007, 08:05:12 PM
Big game Wednesday at Grumbacher for UMW against York, Any early predictions? Will York be at full strength?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CACsportsnut on December 04, 2007, 06:31:26 PM
York finally has everyone back. However Kelley is still nursing a serious ankle injury.

I can see York pulling this one out at home. They have not been able to get everyone going on the same night, but if they could they would put alot of points on the board. McGowan seems to be as his usual self, Lankford is his usual steady eddy self, and there Winters (transfer) has had some very nice games. Throw in the two super soph's, Brady and Keefer (both over 10 ppg and 5 rpg) thats a tough lineup to match up with.

However, Mary Washington's ability to press and run effective offensive sets could prove valuable to a York team that is still attempting to blend all there fire power together.

York by 5 in a close one
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbsquared on December 05, 2007, 09:39:49 PM
UMW and York head to overtime, tied at 63 all! Great game! Sounds like some serious clock issues on the Live Audio feed!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ex_mu14 on December 06, 2007, 08:08:58 AM
Marymount is off to a 5-1 (2-0 in the conference) start this year...
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on December 06, 2007, 10:32:49 AM
York with a nice win against Mary Wash to get to 2-1 in the conference.  They get Salisbury on Saturday to finish the first portion of the schedule.  They should get to 3-1 in conf and headed in the right direction.  The time off should get there players healthy and make there run for the conference in January. 

York and Hood are still the best two teams and expect both teams to contend for the CAC Championship. 

With Chad, Pat Kelley, Brady, Levi, and Nate they have a great starting five.  If they can get the bench going consistently they will be very scary.

Let's get this board going, it has been very quiet since we lost Goucher and Catholic
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ex_mu14 on December 06, 2007, 02:01:09 PM
I think Marymount will be there right with York and Hood at the end of the year. Yeah, it doesn't seem right this year without all of our CU friends around to call players thugs etc. LOL
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on December 06, 2007, 02:15:14 PM
quite an ending to regulation at York last night; time put back on the clock followed by last second York bucket to tie score with UMW
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 06, 2007, 09:17:44 PM
Ok... while you may not think the CU guys are around to say "thug"... I will say - don't count your chickens before they hatch... or assume there is a win before the game is played!

I, and many others, have been down this road before with Marymount. Either on paper the team looks great, but they never come together to make the season work. Or the team starts off good with important wins (like this year with St. Mary's), but then self-destructs eventually leading to a disappointing season.

This has happened many times, not just once in awhile. I would love to see Marymount finally put things together and Coach McClary get a good season from his team... but I will wait to see how the team is playing in late January before I jump on the bangwagon.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbsquared on December 07, 2007, 01:13:05 PM
I agree that York and Hood are contenders, for the regular season title, but let's remember that Mary Wash beat Hood on the road and took York to OT on McGowan's time added bull rush. The race for the top is still very wide open with Marymount another horse in the leaders group. Should be another interesting race for the CAC title!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on December 15, 2007, 07:42:58 PM
UMW 92, Shenandoah 80

Eagles trailed by 11 at halftime, scored 58 second half points, including 14-20 from the floor and 9-14 on threes. Matt Hale had a career high 28, Justin Baker 20, Altmann 17, Pierce 11, and scored his 1,000th career point.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 16, 2007, 10:40:37 PM
Catholic 75, Villa Julie 50

Cardinals led by freshman Wes Parker's 22. 

Catholic is struggling to find its way with such a young team right now, but in terms of basic talent, they're still in the upper echelon.  It will be interesting to see how long it takes for it to all come together.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ex_mu14 on December 17, 2007, 08:26:27 AM
Marymount wins over Frostburg, 89-64
The Saints got back on the winning track with a non-copnference win over Frostburg State, 89-64.  MU stands at 6-2 as the team heads into the holiday break.

MU was blistering hot to open the game, shooting a season-high 69.2 percent from the floor (18-26) in the opening period.  The Saints led, 46-30 at the intermission. 

The Saints cooled off a bit in the second period but still shot 54.8 percent (17-21) as they held the Bobcats to 37.5 percent shooting for the game.

It was not the welcome back that FSU head coach Webb Hatch had envisioned.  He was the Saints' first men's basketball coach and spent 10 years with MU, the last year being in 1997.  But aside from a 2-0 lead to begin the game, the Bobcats never lead again. 

The Saints had balanced scoring with four players in double figures led by Mike Gray with 18 points and seven rebounds.  Ronnie Barbour added 16 points including four threes.  Stephen Simoneau, in his first start, had 14 points and a game-high seven asssits.  Shaun Ingram tallied 11 points. 

Fernandez Martin hit for 14 points for Frostburg and Juan Wansley added 13 points.  The Bobcats fell to 2-7 on the season.

Marymount will face Goucher College on Wednesday, January 2 in a non-conference game at 7:30 pm.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbsquared on December 18, 2007, 08:34:53 AM
The UMW win over Shenandoah looks to be a good quality win for the CAC, as Shenandoah defeated Guilford by 2 last night. Guilford was ranked 6th in the nation. These are the kind of wins the CAC needs to improve their power ratings come tournament time.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on December 18, 2007, 07:24:28 PM
UMW 63, McDaniel 61

Pierce 18, Pearson 15, Hale 13, Baker 10 and 11

Eagles trailed by as many as 15 in the first half, and led most of the way in the second.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbsquared on December 20, 2007, 06:35:11 PM
UMW has been on a roll. Looks like they should win easily this evening against Manchester. The Christmas break may be better with another win.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on December 20, 2007, 08:22:40 PM
UMW wins, but far from easily, 56-53, over a game Manchester team at Goolrick. Ben Stokes hit the game winner, ball went through as the buzzer sounded. UMW played horribly, very fortunate to win. Pierce 15, Hale 14, Baker 12.

Happy holidays to everybody, talk to you all after Christmas.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 21, 2007, 11:14:59 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on December 18, 2007, 11:29:23 AM
Quote from: Dave "d-mac" McHugh on October 03, 2007, 09:15:56 PM
By the way... more problems for Gallaudet...

Even more problems for Gallaudet:

Caltech 82, Gallaudet 68 (http://www.gallaudetathletics.com/sports/mbkb/2007-08/stats/galmbb09.htm)

OxyBob
Hmm... I honestly thought Gallaudet would win that one. Nothing against Caltech... but congrats to the Beavers!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 02, 2008, 10:32:29 PM
Goucher (3-7) beat Marymount (6-3) tonight on a last second three-pointer (though it was probably a two, but it doesn't matter) 55-52.

It was an ugly, sloppy game. I don't think either team hit a basket for about five or so minutes in the second half. And both teams played losy. Neither team shot above 40% for the game and there were 37 total turnovers!

Goucher fought to win the game, though in the last thirty seconds I didn't think they were going to get a shot off (and took three time-outs!).

Marymount simply looked lousy. They have some talent on that team, but I don't know if they are not on the same page with one another, they were still recovering from a holiday hangover, or they simply aren't that good.

Again... Marymount has talent individually, but I didn't see it gell together. I will look forward to seeing what happens for the rest of the season.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbsquared on January 04, 2008, 07:41:31 PM
UMW falls to Hampton-Sydney 62-53. The Eagles led at the half by 2, with some excellent shooting and a lot of shots dropping just as the time clock expired. The rims were not as kind in the second half and the Eagles ended up on the short side of the scoreboard.

Baker had 21 and Altmann added 13. I think the Eagles play Christopher Newport tomorrow at 7:30. They may have a chance to redeem themselves then.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CACsportsnut on January 05, 2008, 10:43:57 AM
YCP now on 3 game win streak, there second of the year, and are now 7-4 overall, with there 4 losses coming to Nazareth, Hood, Gettysburg, and Roanoke, who are a combined 30-8 for the season.

They have beaten a solid King's team on the road, Mary Washington, a William Patterson team who was receiving votes for top 25.

Then last night they beat a good Eastern squad last night in intriguing fassion, 99 to 70 something.

Levi Winters added 22 points, 8 rebounds and 5 assists, McGowan had 20 points and 8 rebounds, Brady had 14 points, 4 rebounds and a steal, and Nate Lankford added 11 and 3 assists. When is the deadline for cool nicknames? Can we start calling them the "Fantastic Four" yet? I know, not very original, but it works.

York looks to be a team that is blossoming. Today will be a good test, Elizabethtown, who stands at 10-0 and has been receiving some high points towards top 25 in the country. Should be a good game.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 05, 2008, 08:46:16 PM
Make it 4 straight for YCP... impressive win over E-Town tonight. I believe I saw correctly that four players scored in double-figures for the Spartans in the 80-74 win.

That being said, I wouldn't put any stock in the win over Eastern... since they went on to lose to Hopkins - which many would consider only a .500 team this season.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dan Johnson on January 06, 2008, 08:29:54 AM
Great win for the Spartans.  And I believe they actually had five guys in double figures.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on January 06, 2008, 11:49:12 AM
Quote from: bbsquared on January 04, 2008, 07:41:31 PM
I think the Eagles play Christopher Newport tomorrow at 7:30. They may have a chance to redeem themselves then.

They had a chance but did not redeem themselves. Sigh.  :(
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CACsportsnut on January 07, 2008, 11:00:05 AM
Big win for York, are they now the early favorites for the CAC?

Let's get some chatter going people
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 07, 2008, 11:20:47 AM
I don't see how an 8-4 YCP team that has shown early season struggles and lost to Hood is an early favorite for the CAC. The simple fact they lost to Hood gives the defending regular season champions the early edge. I know the records for the two teams are the same, but until York can prove they can solve the duo problem of Gutekunst and Junghans, I still think Hood takes the CAC.

However, we can't forget about UMW. They seem to be in the same boat as YCP and Hood. They have lost games, like to Christopher Newport, that are unexplainable. Of course, they have lost to YCP as well... which - with my logic - makes it Hood, YCP, UMW at this point in the season.

My question is, what is up with Hood? They are not playing nearly as well as last year nor as well as I had hoped/expected. I know they had to find a new point-guard, but that alone shouldn't have derailed this team.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on January 07, 2008, 12:04:10 PM
It looks like the nucleus of York's roster is really starting to gel. When they played Hood here in York it was just the second game that McGowan and Winters played together, and Pat Kelly was only able to play a very limited role. As the Spartans get to full strength (assuming Kelly is able to get back on the court) I think they will be more than a handful for any team they face.

As for who are the favorites, I'd say Hood until they are beaten consistently by Mary Wash or York. But the regular season isn't the concern, that CAC tourney is!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on January 07, 2008, 01:45:03 PM
The University of Mary Washington will be dedicating both the men's and women's basketball games on January 19th vs. Wesley College to Erin Peterson, who was one of 32 Virginia Tech students killed in April, 2007. All donations raised during that game will go to the Erin Peterson Fund.

More info at

http://www.umw.edu/athletics/sports/basketballmen/default.php?a=738
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CACsportsnut on January 07, 2008, 05:03:43 PM
Could not agree more with:

1.) Hood
2.) York
3.) UMW

I was only asking a question to get some opinions and some chatter going, which I seemed to accomplish. Now my opinion:

Hood is very good, but seem to be hitting a little valley as of now, which happens to all teams, a season is hills and valleys, and how good you are will show with the way you get over those low points. Hood hit York when they were in there valley, and Hood was at its peak. So I do think the game would be different now. Im not saying it would be a blow out any way or the other, but I would put my money on the Spartans. Now all the talk is fine, but it has to be done. McGowan seems to be back to his old ways (21.3 ppg), the Winters boy is a 6'5 athletic ball handling guard who plays like a forward and has found his niche (13.5 ppg), Brady seems to be settling in and begins to hit his groove after a good freshman year (9 ppg) and also in the past few games seems to be looked upon for defensive intensity and has been guarding the opposing teams primary scorers, Lankford is the steady consistent one, and seems to do everything (11 ppg, 5 rpg, 3 apg) and also is a defensive force. Jeremy Keefer, a sophomore last year, seems to have passed Kelley, and had 16 points and 12 rebounds against Elizabethtown. He seems to be finding his way as well. Also, Matty Foley and Chris Folland provide some good bench minutes, while Foley can score, Folland provides physicality, rebounding and defensive presence.

Now can York stop Gutekunst and Junghans? Well, they have killed them in the past, so its unfair to think any different, however only time will tell. 3rd scorer to look for is Anthony Bennett for Hood, he can be a difference maker.

Let the games begin
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on January 09, 2008, 10:09:07 AM
Interesting article in the Frederick News Post on Tuesday.....

http://www.fredericknewspost.com/sections/news/display.htm?StoryID=69726
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on January 09, 2008, 11:19:36 AM
I hope Gutekunst isn't lost to them for the season.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on January 09, 2008, 02:57:41 PM
It certainly would change the dynamic of the CAC men's title chase if he was lost for the year. You hate to see a good team suffer a loss but academics is the name of the game in Division III (as it should in DI and DII as well but we all know that truth of that).
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on January 09, 2008, 09:13:38 PM
With four minutes left, YCP 69-SMC 66

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on January 09, 2008, 09:18:10 PM
With 1:15 left in SMC, YCP 75-SMC 70. Sounds like it has been a good game.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on January 09, 2008, 09:26:44 PM
From SMC with 22.3 seconds left, YCP 80-SMC 77. York has missed their last three free throws, opening the door for the Seahawks.

Timeout SMC. York had a 7 point lead with 1:06 remaining.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on January 09, 2008, 09:29:30 PM
Tyson Lesesne cans a three with seven seconds left to tie the game at 80.

York's game winner falls short and we are heading to Overtime. St. Mary's outscores York 10-1 over the final minute.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on January 09, 2008, 09:34:30 PM
With 2:20 left in OT, SMC 82-York 81

York is killing themselves from the free throw line
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on January 09, 2008, 09:36:35 PM
from SMC, SMC 84-York 83 with 1:23 left in 1st ot
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on January 09, 2008, 09:37:53 PM
SMC up one with 12 seconds left, York has the ball and a timeout
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on January 09, 2008, 09:39:46 PM
Nick Brady goes to the line for two with 3.1 seconds left, York down 1
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on January 09, 2008, 09:45:08 PM
York's Nick Brady cans a pair of free throws with 3.1 seconds left.

St. Mary's can't get a shot off and the Spartans win.

McGowan leads YCP with 31 points.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 09, 2008, 10:02:24 PM
Hood beat Marymount 92-88 behind 36 from Ryan Jughans and 21 from Anthony Bennett.

The team certainly found ways to score without Gutekunst... but as one coach I know says (and I was reminded by Pat Coleman)... a team tends to rally for a game or two after the loss of an important player. We shall see how long this lasts for Hood!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbsquared on January 13, 2008, 10:52:06 AM
Well, UMW outscored St Mary's 97-93 to run their CAC record yo 4-1. It was a very typical CAC contest, with incredibly inconcistent officiating (both ways), a technical on a frustrated coach (St Mary;s) and a clock issue that befuddled the refs.

The game saw about 40 turnovers and a lot of streaky shotting by both squads. UMW now heads to Marymount for a big game.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Jeff Gamber on January 14, 2008, 01:06:50 PM
 Today at the NCAA Convention the start date for Division III basketball was changed to November 15th. We no longer have to wait for the Friday before Thanksgiving to start the season. York College now plans to hold a tipoff tournament on Nov 15th & 16th.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on January 16, 2008, 05:36:40 PM
That's great news all around. It'll be great to get the season started sooner, and even better to kick it off at the Grumbacher.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on January 16, 2008, 09:34:04 PM
Wesley leads YCP 84-80 with 3:13 left.

McGowan has 23 and Rashawn Johnson has 17.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on January 16, 2008, 09:39:29 PM
With 1:50 left in regulation, Wesley leads 86-80.

Four Wolverines in double figures while York has three. Wesley has 23 offensive rebounds which has led to 29 second-chance points
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Post by: ycp on January 16, 2008, 09:43:11 PM
With 47 seconds left in regulation, Wesley 88-York 86

Timeout York.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on January 16, 2008, 09:46:31 PM
York plays good defense and gets a missed three but Wesley gets its 25th offensive rebound of the night. Rashawn Johnson gets fouled and makes the first. I am now waiting for the live stats to refresh which probably means the game is over  ???
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on January 16, 2008, 09:58:45 PM
Final from Wesley 89-86
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Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 16, 2008, 10:00:37 PM
Might as well write this in now:
It is going to be a free-for-all for the conference title...
and only one team is going to be making it to the NCAA Tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on January 16, 2008, 10:39:48 PM
Details from Wesley / YCP....

Wesley was paced by Rashawn Johnson as he pours in 21 points. He was 5-for-15 from the floor, 1-for-6 from three, and 10-for-11 from the free throw line. He entered the game as the leading scorer in the CAC, averaging 24 points per contest. Johnson also pulled down nine boards for the hosts. Kevin Johnson added 17 points and five rebounds while Evan Martin contributed 16 points, four rebounds and a pair of assists. Cody White was the fourth Wolverine in double figures with 15 points while he also pulled in eight rebounds. Alphonzo Wright paced the Wolverines on the boards with 12 caroms while he also had six points.

Chad McGowan, the Spartans' senior All-American, led the green and white with 25 points and 11 rebounds for his fifth double-double of the year. He was 10-for-14 from the field including a three. Levi Winters added 20 points and four rebounds to the Spartan attack. He was 9-for-13 from the field while he also had four assists. Nick Brady was the third Spartan in double figures with 17 points including four threes in the game. Senior Nate Lankford handed out nine assists while he also had six points and six rebounds.

The Spartans finished the game shooting 61.4% from the floor but thanks to Wesley's huge edge on the offensive glass, York attempted 25 less shots for the game. Wesley shot 41.5% from the field but had just one less field goal than the Spartans. York held the Wolverines to just 19.2% shooting from three while the green and white went 41.2% from distance, making 7-of-17 from three. Wesley won the game at the free throw line as they went 16-for-22 (72.7%) while York went a paltry 9-for-18 (50%).

Wesley held a 45-36 edge in rebounding including a 25-7 advantage in offensive rebounds. The Wolverines used their advantage on the boards to fashion a 30-12 edge in second chance points. The Spartans' 24 turnovers turned into 31 Wesley points.

Tough loss for YCP but wins on the road are at a premium. Whoever wins the most on the road will likely earn the number one seed in the tournament.
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Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 17, 2008, 12:23:11 AM
Marymount beat Univ. Mary Washington 80-77...
proving this conference is wide open!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on January 20, 2008, 11:51:22 AM
The CAC website's got a listing of CAC record holders

http://www.cacsports.com/information/recordbook/CAC_MBASK_records.pdf
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on January 23, 2008, 10:22:14 AM
It's good to see the CAC put this together. I remember posting on this board almost a year ago wondering who held all the CAC records and no one really knew. I guess good things come to those who wait a year.

Big game at the Nouveau Kitchen! Go York
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on January 23, 2008, 03:13:45 PM
Live stats for tonight's Marymount-York men's game available at:

http://faculty.ycp.edu/~sguise/mbb/xlive.htm

The link is also available on the d3hoops scoreboard. Should be an entertaining contest.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbsquared on January 23, 2008, 08:08:29 PM
I hear that Mary Wash has access to Live Stats, and they are working on getting them up and running sometime. This would be a blast to those of us outside of the CAC area.

Anyone hear anything from Goolrick yet?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on January 24, 2008, 02:08:22 AM
Great game at York with the Spartans prevailing 84-78 over Marymount in overtime.

Fred Stanback pours in 37 points for the Saints but Chad McGowan counters with a double-double of 24 and 13.

York, Mary Washington and Hood all tied for first with 6-2 marks through the first half of league play. York must travel to both Hood and Mary Washington in the second half. Should be an interesting month of CAC hoops coming down the stretch.

GAME BOX
http://www.ycpspartans.com/sports/mbkb/2007-08/stats/ycpmbb17.htm
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on January 24, 2008, 02:42:52 PM
Quote from: bbsquared on January 23, 2008, 08:08:29 PM
I hear that Mary Wash has access to Live Stats, and they are working on getting them up and running sometime. This would be a blast to those of us outside of the CAC area.

Anyone hear anything from Goolrick yet?

That's been the story for a year or so now.  ::)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on January 25, 2008, 09:03:06 AM
Update - Had a meeting today with our web folks. We are exploring the idea of live video at home games, rather than the live stats. Hope this is a more attractive option to the fans.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CACsportsnut on January 25, 2008, 06:04:30 PM
York at Hood tomorrow?

Any predictions?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 25, 2008, 06:08:38 PM
I'll take York... Hood without Gutekunst inside is not going to be able to stop McGowan... and if they do try and double-team down - York is going to be free to shoot from the outside.

Hood's loss to Salisbury shows that they are not the same team they were with Gutekunst in the lineup. They got by a few games without him, but their luck appears to have run out.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on January 26, 2008, 10:49:39 AM
Quote from: mwcsid on January 25, 2008, 09:03:06 AM
Update - Had a meeting today with our web folks. We are exploring the idea of live video at home games, rather than the live stats. Hope this is a more attractive option to the fans.

Go for it!  :D
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on January 26, 2008, 04:54:45 PM
Halftime from Hood....York 43-Hood 32

Live Stats available at: http://livestats.prestosports.com/hood/ (Courtesy of Hood College super SID Adrienne Gonzales)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on January 26, 2008, 05:41:29 PM
A Chad McGowan three point play lifts York to a 75-73 win at Hood.

It sounds like the Blazers put together a great second half but York hangs on for the win.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 26, 2008, 05:42:42 PM
Hood outscored YCP in the second half significantly (similar to how YCP outscored Hood in the first half)... but couldn't stop McGowan :).
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbsquared on January 26, 2008, 05:54:24 PM
UMW  over Salisbury 84-77. Looks like we will be treated to a great CAC game aty Goolrick next Saturday when York comes south!

The video idea is awesome, just hope it happens faster than the Live Stats idea! What a selling point for D-3 recruits to be able to have their folks and friends WATCH them play!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 26, 2008, 06:09:48 PM
Indeed. There are nine men's games in progress or yet to start today on our scoreboard that are on live video, and a handful that were already completed. There were probably others taht schools didn't post on our site.

There's quite a bit of live video.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on January 26, 2008, 06:46:14 PM
It's nice to see York playing well.  I havent been at a game all year due to many things (not a student anymore) and a lot of travel but what happened to Hood's big man?  Is he out for the year?  Does that make York the favorite?

Anyway nice to see the conference board is still strong. 

YCP- What are the chances McGowan breaks the school record for points?  I believe its 2001 total points by Andy O'Brien

Let's Go York
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on January 26, 2008, 07:50:43 PM
Salem,

For Chad to break Andy's record, the Spartans would likely need to play three games in the CAC tournament and have a few games in the NCAA Tournament. He is at 1784 through today.

Knowing Chad, he just wants to win games at this point in his career. After missing out on the NCAA Tournament last year, he is hungry to get back to the dance. The scoring record is probably the last thing on his mind right now.

On another note, Hood has really transformed themselves without Gutekunst. While they are different, their athleticism now shines through a little bit more. They can do somethings they couldn't do with the big fella on the floor.

The race is still wide open and Wednesday's games (UMW vs. Hood) and (VJC vs. York) should provide for quality play heading into next Saturday's York/UMW contest in Fredericksburg.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 26, 2008, 10:08:44 PM
Quote from: Salem, VA on January 26, 2008, 06:46:14 PM
It's nice to see York playing well.  I havent been at a game all year due to many things (not a student anymore) and a lot of travel but what happened to Hood's big man?  Is he out for the year?  Does that make York the favorite?
As we have chatted about on this board before - and I wrote about in one of Around the Nation (http://"http://www.d3hoops.com/nation/08/jan11.htm") columns, Gutekunst is academically ineligible this semester. Not sure what all happened, but he didn't think there was much of a chance to return. The sadder part, this is his senior year.

And I don't know if York is the easy favorite, but they are at the top. UMW will certainly have something to say about the top of the conference. And Hood has been fighting until late to stay up there. Bad losses to SAL, MU, Wesley, and GAL need to be avoided for these teams to feel comfortable.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on January 27, 2008, 10:38:06 AM
Thanks Scott for the information. 

They have 7 regular season games and maybe 3 more games in the CAC tournament.  McGowan could very well break it during the CAC final.  It probably would have been a lock if McGowan would have played those first two games of this season

Anyway enough about individual, it seems as though York has a big week.  If they can go into Mary Wash on Saturday I think they would seperate themselves as a slight favorite going into the 2nd half of the conf. schedule.  That being said, it seems more wide open then it has been in recent years. 

I think you will see Hood start to become a middle of the rung team in the league. 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on January 30, 2008, 11:43:17 AM
Tonight's York - Villa Julie Live Stats Link
http://faculty.ycp.edu/~sguise/mbb/xlive.htm

The radio link is:
http://www.yavarsity.com/espnradio-YCol.asp
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on January 30, 2008, 11:36:10 PM
York a 10 point win over Villa Julie and the Mary Wash blowout of Hood sets the showdown for Saturday afternoon at Mary Wash.  The blowout over Hood makes this a two team race for the one seed in the conference.  A win by either team the inside track on home court which would be huge. 

York continues to play well as McGowan paces this team to get this team to a 3rd championship in 4 years.  McGowan is quickly going down as the BEST player the CAC has ever seen

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbsquared on January 31, 2008, 11:51:13 AM
With York winning in OT the last time, this seems to be a toss-up on Saturday in Fredericksburg. The game should hinge on how well UMW shoots from the outside to open the middle for some cutting. If the Eagles can get Altman in the game quickly, they may be able to get some fouls on McGowan and company.

Still looks to be a great D-3 game. Wish I could be there!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 02, 2008, 04:32:14 PM
Everything you would expect from a battle for first place...at the half York 35-Mary Washington 35.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 02, 2008, 04:57:46 PM
with just 12:29 remaining in regulation, York 53-UMW 48
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Post by: ycp on February 02, 2008, 05:00:19 PM
with 10:39 left, York 59-UMW 48. Nick Brady drains triples on consecutive Spartan trips.
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Post by: ycp on February 02, 2008, 05:04:56 PM
With 8:45 left, York 64-UMW 54
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Post by: ycp on February 02, 2008, 05:17:16 PM
with 4:07 left at UMW, York 74-UMW 65. Hale just canned a three for UMW.
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Post by: ycp on February 02, 2008, 05:23:29 PM
with 1:46 left, Spartan killer Matt Hale drains another three as York's 14-point lead has been trimmed to three at 76-73. Sounds like this is everything a championship caliber game should be.
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Post by: ycp on February 02, 2008, 05:25:43 PM
:57.9 left, York 80-UMW 75
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 02, 2008, 05:32:24 PM
Final from UMW: York 84-Mary Washington 78
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: smcmsid on February 02, 2008, 06:18:01 PM
Final from St. Mary's...

St. Mary's 101 - Salisbury 67
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on February 02, 2008, 06:45:47 PM
Quote from: ycp on February 02, 2008, 05:32:24 PM
Final from UMW: York 84-Mary Washington 78

:'( , but  :D on wbb
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on February 02, 2008, 07:00:29 PM
Great to see Winters (27 and 7) and Keefer (20 and 13) step it up with Chad not feeling 100%. This is obviously a big win for York, and with 5 games left till the tournament they have a chance to put a bit more space between them and the pack.

I love the way Jeremy has matured into a real important cog in the Spartans machine, and I he continues to develop that could create a ton of problems for opponents in the coming weeks.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 02, 2008, 07:45:50 PM
It sounds like it was a championship type of atmosphere at UMW which is no surprise considering their fan support.

Levi Winters led the Spartans with a career-high 26 points as the senior was 9-for-12 from the field including 4-for-7 from three and 4-for-4 from the free throw line. Winters also pulled in seven rebounds for the green and white. Sophomore Jeremy Keefer recorded a pair of career highs with 20 points and 13 rebounds. The double-double was his third of the year. Nick Brady added 13 points including his trio of threes. Senior All-American Chad McGowan, who played the game very sick with the flu, finished the game with 11 points, four rebounds, and three assists in just 29 minutes of action. Senior Nate Lankford contributed eight points, five assists, four rebounds, and a pair of steals for YCP.

Matt Hale, a player that has had great success against the Spartans in the last four games between the two teams, led the Eagles with 19 points, four rebounds, and four assists. Hale was 6-for-11 from the floor including 4-of-7 from three. He was also 3-for-4 from the free throw line. Sophomore Brandon Altmann added 13 points, eight rebounds, and three blocked shots. Justin Baker and Ben Stokes chipped in with 12 points each while Kevin Storus had 10 points.

GAME BOX
http://www.ycpspartans.com/sports/mbkb/2007-08/stats/ycpmbb20.htm
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 02, 2008, 10:31:34 PM
In case anyone missed this score...Hood 124-Gallaudet 120 in double overtime.

I believe Ryan Junghans had 47 while Jon Mowl had 44, quite a shootout
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 02, 2008, 10:37:55 PM
Yep -- anyone remember the last time the CAC had two men's games mentioned on the front page?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 02, 2008, 11:04:15 PM
It has been a long, long time since that happened.

240 combined points is pretty impressive. Does anyone remember the Marymount /Salisbury CAC tournament game from a few years ago. If I can remember correctly it was a similar score.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 06, 2008, 05:38:04 PM
Live Stats link for tonight's YCP-SAL game:

http://faculty.ycp.edu/~sguise/mbb/xlive.htm
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on February 06, 2008, 08:59:06 PM
York leading 61-47 with 13 to play, Chad has taken over
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on February 06, 2008, 10:51:27 PM
York wins 84-74

a game much closer then the final score.  It was 81-56 when York pulled back.  Chad has reached the 1850 point total.  With 7 possible games to go the CAC record and school record are in jeopardy.

Keep it going York
10-2 in conf
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 10, 2008, 08:39:15 AM
York picks up an important 79-73 win over St. Mary's on Saturday. Chad McGowan led the Spartans with a game-high 26 points and a game-high 12 rebounds. Those were good for his team-leading eighth double-double of the year. McGowan was 10-for-21 from the field and 6-for-11 from the free throw line. He also handed out four assists in addition to three blocked shots and three steals. He passed York College Athletic Hall of Famer Wayne Johnson for third on the Spartans' all-time scoring list as he now has 1,876 points. Levi Winters added 20 points, four rebounds, five steals, and two assists in his 37 minutes of work. Sophomore Nick Brady was the third Spartan in double figures with 11 points and a career-high tying seven rebounds. Nate Lankford chipped in with nine points, three assists, two rebounds, three steals, and a pair of blocked shots.
   Tyson Lesesne and Calvin Wise paced the Seahawks with 16 points each. Lesesne added five assists, three rebounds, and three steals as Winters did a good job on one of the most dangerous players in the CAC. Lesesne was 7-for-14 from the floor and 2-for-3 from three. Wise added six boards as he was 8-for-12 from the floor. Alex Franz contributed 10 points, five assists, five rebounds and a steal while Alex Irmer chipped in with 10 points and nine rebounds for the Hawks. Mike Bowden pulled down a team-high 11 rebounds for St. Mary's while he also had six points.

It was a good, tight CAC contest. Both teams went at it pretty hard. St. Mary's is a very talented group. Irmer had a put back dunk that you don't see too many times in Division III. York is now off until they host Wesley next Saturday.
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Post by: mwcsid on February 13, 2008, 12:31:05 PM
Wednesday night's Capital Athletic Conference double featuring the University of Mary Washington at St. Mary's College will feature live audio starting at 6:00 p.m. with the women's game, with the men to follow at 8:00 p.m.

The Eagle women are looking to remain unbeaten in CAC play, while the men will look to strengthen its grip on the second seed for the upcoming CAC Tournament.

http://secure.stretchinternet.com/demo/games.php?user=umw&o=cal_stamp
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: smcmsid on February 13, 2008, 09:45:42 PM
Final from St. Mary's tonight...

St. Mary's 78
Mary Washington 63
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 15, 2008, 07:17:44 AM
Live Stats Link for Saturday's York - Wesley game

http://faculty.ycp.edu/~sguise/mbb/xlive.htm

Senior Day ceremonies precede the game as Chad McGowan, Chris Folland, Nate Lankford, and Levi Winters will be honored for their contributions to the Spartan program.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on February 15, 2008, 10:55:17 AM
The University of Mary Washington's home basketball doubleheader against Marymount University on Saturday will feature live statistics viewable over the Internet starting at 2:00 p.m. for the women's game and 4:00 p.m. for the men's.

http://livestats.prestosports.com/umw/

FINALLY!!!
We'll have live stats for whatever remaining home games we have for hoops, and hopefully have spring sport live stats soon as well.
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Post by: ycp on February 16, 2008, 06:52:42 PM
Final from York - YCP 84-Wesley 77
The Spartans capture the top seed in the upcoming CAC tournament with the win. They hold a two game lead with the tiebreaker over Mary Washington with two regular season games remaining. 
Chad McGowan made his final regular season appearance at Wolf?Gymnasium a memorable one as he netted a career-high 37 points while he also pulled in 12 rebounds for his ninth double-double of the year. McGowan was 13-for-19 from the floor and 11-for-17 from the free throw line. He handed out two assists, had one steal, and one big-time blocked shot near the end of the game that brought the crowd to its feet. The 37 points eclipses his previous career-high which was 34 and came on December 2, 2006 at Salisbury University. Nick Brady had a solid game with 17 points, five rebounds, two assists and a pair of steals. Brady made two threes and was a strong 7-for-8 from the free throw line. Nate Lankford, playing in his final regular season home game, added 12 points, seven assists, three rebounds and a trio of steals to the Spartan attack. Levi Winters chipped in with 10 second-half points as his two threes kick started the game-changing run for York. Winters added six rebounds and a pair of assists for the green and white. Pat Kelley added a strong defensive effort including seven rebounds.
Rashawn Johnson led the Wolverines with 28 points as he was 10-for-22 from the floor including 4-for-9 from three. Johnson, who entered the game tied with McGowan as the conference's top scorer, added nine rebounds, two assists and three steals in his 37 minutes of action. James Stratton added 20 points for the Wolverines as he was 7-for-16 from the field including 4-for-12 from three. Stratton also had three rebounds, four assists and a steal for Wesley. Khyle Nelson finished the game with a double-double as he had 10 points and a team-high 10 rebounds despite just playing 22 minutes due to first half foul trouble.

This was the first time I have gotten to see Wesley play. Rashawn Johnson is a smooth player. He made some shots today that were pretty well defended but he is just able to rise up and drain the shot. Certainly he is one of the top players in the league.

Congrats to Chad, Chris, Nate and Levi for closing out their regular season home schedule with a good win.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CACsportsnut on February 17, 2008, 04:50:48 PM
How about some chatter?

Its the final week of the regular season and there is nothing being said. How about some predictions on how the season finishes out, 1st and 2nd team predictions, P.O.Y, R.O.Y, and Coach of the year predictions?

Fianl Regular season standings:

York
Mary Washington
Hood
St. Mary's
Wesley
Marymount
Salisbury
Galluadett

1st Team All-Conference:

Chad McGowan - F - York
RaShawn Johnson - G - Wesley
Ryan Junghans - G - Hood
Tyson Lesesne - G - St. Mary's
Fred Stanbeck - F - Marymount

2nd Team All-Conference:

Greg Woody - G - Villa Julie
Justin Baker - F - Mary Washington
Matt Hale - G - Mary Washington
John Mowl - G - Galluadett
Levi Winters - F - York

P.O.Y - Chad McGowan

R.O.Y - Alex Franz - G - St. Mary's

Coach of the Year - Jeff Gamber - York

Predictions?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 19, 2008, 12:11:34 AM
From the "Are you Kidding" department...

Wesley beat Hood tonight... that isn't the "are you kidding"... it was in 4 OT's!

Hood has played in a OT, a 2OT, a 3OT, and a 4OT game this season!

And I thought Goucher playing in five straight OT games was mind boggling!

As for COY - all due respect to YCP and Coach Gamber, I expected them to be in the position they are in.

After the turmoil on Gallaudet's campus and the turmoil and shake-up in the athletic department, did anyone expect Jeb Barber to have the Bison at 4-11 in the conference, especially after getting the job as late as he did before the season?!

Hats off to Barber!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on February 19, 2008, 11:01:09 AM
Quote from: Dave "d-mac" McHugh on February 19, 2008, 12:11:34 AM
Hats off to Barber!

LOL

POY (Pun of the Year) ?  ::)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbsquared on February 19, 2008, 02:07:09 PM
As far as COY honors, I have to defer to D-Mac on this one. Gamber had a base to work from and Barber came in extremely late to build a struggling program. Gamber still had some issues that he handled well, but Barber was faced with limited talent and experienced players.

I guess it is all up to how you interpret success. Is it more improtant to succeed when you have talent, or how you play the hand you are dealt?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 20, 2008, 08:44:02 PM
From Gallaudet at the half: York 65-Gallaudet 34

Four Spartans in double figures at the break led by McGowan's 16.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 20, 2008, 09:11:08 PM
With 12 minutes left, York 91-Gallaudet 49
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 20, 2008, 09:23:11 PM
With over six minutes left, York 101-Gallaudet 59

York is now playing their freshman reserves.

McGowan is now tied for second second on York's All-Time scoring list with former Spartan great Ken Riddick.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 20, 2008, 09:37:54 PM
Final from Gallaudet: York 112-Gallaudet 69

York has now won nine straight as they capture their third regular season title in the last four years.

York is now 18-6 and 13-2 in the CAC. Remember in the COY argument that York started 1-3 as they had to implement three new starters into the lineup. Coach Gamber has done an outstanding job to get this team to come together and be a very good squad.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 20, 2008, 10:44:11 PM
Yes - he has done a good job, but I would be shocked if anyone thought they wouldn't have been competing for the conference this season. I think everyone thought YCP, UMW, and Hood this season... so no surprise York is up there.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 20, 2008, 10:53:05 PM
True but there is also something to be said for getting a team to do what everyone on the outside thinks they should do.

This has not been an easy season in Spartan land so, in my opinion, getting this team to 18 wins with one left in the regular season is impressive. It's not like York has been dominating teams like the 2004-05 and 2005-06 teams did. York has won a number of close games and coaching is very, very important in games like that.

I am biased but it would be a shame if he did not get the award.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 20, 2008, 10:58:09 PM
Quote from: ycp on February 20, 2008, 10:53:05 PM
True but there is also something to be said for getting a team to do what everyone on the outside thinks they should do.

This has not been an easy season in Spartan land so, in my opinion, getting this team to 18 wins with one left in the regular season is impressive. It's not like York has been dominating teams like the 2004-05 and 2005-06 teams did. York has won a number of close games and coaching is very, very important in games like that.

I am biased but it would be a shame if he did not get the award.



I used this argument like every year for Mike Lonergan.

Most of the time it didn't work, so good luck.  In fact...my memory may be off here--maybe DMac or Pat can help--but I'm not sure that Lonergan even won the CAC COY award the year that he was the NATIONAL COY.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 20, 2008, 11:32:16 PM
Matt... I think the reason for that would be simple. The voting for the CAC honors are at the end of the regular season and I believe BEFORE the conference tournament.

The national voting I think takes place after the basketball season is over. Easy to vote Lonergan National COY in that case. Though, he was Co-COY in the CAC that season... with your favorite Rod Wood!

http://www.cacsports.com/information/recordbook/CAC_MBASK_records.pdf (http://"http://www.cacsports.com/information/recordbook/CAC_MBASK_records.pdf")
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 20, 2008, 11:50:53 PM
Love havin' the two Landmark guys back for old time sake.

One reason for Coach Gamber to be COY is that if you would have seen us early in the year there is no way anyone outside of that Grumbacher Center locker room that thought they would have a chance to win this many games. They were not very good early due to the high number of new starters and guys that were going to have to play a key role for York.

The other reason is having watched this team improve over the course of the season has really been something to watch. After getting blown out at Messiah and lose a tough game at Wesley, the Spartans have been playing well and coming together at the right time.

I have no idea how the vote will go but I am sure that Coach Gamber only cares about how his team does the rest of the season.

It should be an interesting tournament. Only two spots (York in first and Villa Julie in seventh) are locked in at this point with the season finales to occur on Saturday. Mary Washington wins and they are in second while third, fourth, and fifth could be a toss up with Hood, St. Mary's and Wesley. I still think that any of those three teams could be very dangerous come tournament time and any of the top five seeds could win the tournament.

D-Mac, is it safe to assume that the CAC only gets one team this year?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 21, 2008, 12:50:41 AM
Yeah... I would be pretty surprised if the CAC gets two bids, even with YCP in the regional rankings. Just too many losses in this conference. Had Hood been able to keep it together, we could have been talking two.

With the new OWI and OOWI replacing the QOWI, the CAC leaders are hurt by the bottom of the conference.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on February 21, 2008, 09:55:37 AM
Even if York lost in the conference final they wouldnt have a chance at a bid?  That would give them a 20 win season.

I agree with YCP.  I haven't seen nearly as many games but this is not the same team that stepped onto the floor against Wesley.  The talent that has surrounded Chad has really helped him.  He has better looks because the players around him can get it done.

One last question for the message board.  Will Chad go down as the best player of all time or York history?  3 CAC regular season crowns in 4 years.  I wasn' t around pre 2003 so I do not know to much history. 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 21, 2008, 10:54:12 AM
Quote from: Dave "d-mac" McHugh on February 20, 2008, 11:32:16 PM
Matt... I think the reason for that would be simple. The voting for the CAC honors are at the end of the regular season and I believe BEFORE the conference tournament.

The national voting I think takes place after the basketball season is over. Easy to vote Lonergan National COY in that case. Though, he was Co-COY in the CAC that season... with your favorite Rod Wood!

http://www.cacsports.com/information/recordbook/CAC_MBASK_records.pdf (http://"http://www.cacsports.com/information/recordbook/CAC_MBASK_records.pdf")

First of all...wouldn't Andy O'Brien be the best York player of all time?

Link doesn't work, but I'll take you word for it.  Yeah, I knew the timeline on the voting, but the point still stands--clearly Mike certainly could have won it a few more times than he did, as he had teams with the best record more often than he won the award.  But voters don't tend to go for that argument (and I understand why, depends on the year and what everybody has for talent).

Now that you mention it I do remember being ticked that he had to share that with Wood that year...(most overrated coach in the CAC  ;D)

Obviously I haven't seen anybody in the CAC this year, so I can't judge.   Neither the CAC nor Landmark are all that strong this year, but I did note in that the Massey Ratings, Landmark had a stronger rating, which is probably due to the bottom of the CAC.  Top to bottom the competition is tougher. 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on February 21, 2008, 11:30:24 AM
Andy O'Brien was a better shorter.  He would shoot the lights out of the gym.   The one thing he doesn't have is the intangibles.  Granted Chad had more talent around him but when he became "the man" he took over games and put the team on his back.   Chad has won 3 regular season championships which is more impressive then winning the tournament championships. 

They are two different players which makes it tough to decide who is better.

It's very close.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 21, 2008, 11:30:44 AM
Having seen both Andy and Chad play, I think Chad is a more complete player. Andy was a tremendous scorer and could do some other things but Chad can rebound and defend better. It's a little hard to compare the two but I would take Chad since I believe great big men are harder to find than great guards.

We have had a number of great players that preceded both Andy and Chad but they are certainly in the top five of all-time York College greats. The teams in the early 90's had some very good players and Coach Gamber's early teams usually had some very talented guys.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on February 21, 2008, 02:11:16 PM
Even though he is still 60 some points behind Andy, I think it is easy to say that Chad is already the best player all time at York. When you factor in the impact he had as a young player on a team that was laden with great talent, and then consider the way he has played in the two years that he has been The Man on the team, it's easy to put him at number 1.

I have only been around the program since '94, but my top five (based on what I've seen my self and heard about from the older guys) would be something like:

1) McGowan '08
2) Andy O'Brien '01
3) Dan Johnson '95
4) Jeff Mann '93
5) Brandon Bushey '06

I know we could never get Coach to pick and choose, but he's the only one who's seen them all.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Brett Adams on February 21, 2008, 07:45:09 PM
Even though he is still 60 some points behind Andy, I think it is easy to say that Chad is already the best player all time at York. When you factor in the impact he had as a young player on a team that was laden with great talent, and then consider the way he has played in the two years that he has been The Man on the team, it's easy to put him at number 1.

I have only been around the program since '94, but my top five (based on what I've seen my self and heard about from the older guys) would be something like:

1) McGowan '08
2) Andy O'Brien '01
3) Dan Johnson '95
4) Jeff Mann '93
5) Brandon Bushey '06

I know we could never get Coach to pick and choose, but he's the only one who's seen them all.


I had the great fortune to have been around many of the above players and I probably can't speak to before 1980's.... but Wayne Johnson and Kenny Riddick (both late 70's early 80's) HAVE TO be in that mix.  During their tenure, they played Division I's and II's (and won) and narrowly missed the NCAA tournament. Coach Gamber has video of Wayne Johnson and how dominant he was against Division I centers and Kenny Riddick played during the era without the three-point line.... though he scored from the "old Spartan Head" on the kitchen floor.  Well past the three point arc.

I am not making any predictions on the individuals or the order.... just you must include these two.... and maybe a distant third would be Mike Donahue (Hall of Fame and a backcourt mate mine).

Prior to my tenure, and probably prior to Coach Gamber's tenure, the Flying Dutchman of York Junior College in the late 60's and early 70's was the dominant Pa. Junior College Team.  I remember reading about them while doing research for the Spartan (school newspaper) as I was the Sports Editor my senior year.  I just don't have the recollection to include any of the great players from that era. The only one that stands out is Roger Goodling (I believe is his name...) the former Head Men's Coach at Shippensburg Univesity.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 21, 2008, 11:36:19 PM
Coach... you are dating yourself!!!!!! You sure you want to do that?! :)

If YCP gets to the championship game and loses, they need to pray that there aren't any other upsets in the nation. Remember, there are only 17 Pool C bids and with the new OWI and OOWI, better conferences are rewarded, not conferences like the CAC which is far weaker than most.

I while they would have 20 wins... it is the 5 losses in region that hurt them. Hood may have looked an okay loss at the beginning of the season, but not now; losing to Messiah and Wesley is not going to be good in the eyes of the committees; Nazareth may not hurt too much and Gettysburg certainly isn't a bad loss. That makes it one... maybe two losses that can be understood... not the rest.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on February 22, 2008, 10:40:57 AM
Oh Matt...
You and your love of Rod.  ;)

Just throwing it out there, Rod and UMW has had six straight 15-win seasons (not many around here can say that) and had eight winning seasons in 12 years with a program that had a total of four winning years out of 22 before he got here.

And 15 wins already this year, with three new starters and having the second leading scorer in school history and a senior PG graduating last year. And somehow the Eagles go 10-deep with a very inexperienced bench.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 22, 2008, 02:17:27 PM
Oh yeah, my shot was totally gratutious and probably completely unfair this year--haven't followed them.

But I think most know I was teasing.

I do think he (or somebody) needs to tone down the bio though...get a load of this:

In his 11 years at the helm of University of Mary Washington men's basketball, Rod Wood has established himself as one of the premier coaches in the nation. During his tenure, the Eagles have risen from the depths of the Capital Athletic Conference to become one of the elite teams in the Middle Atlantic region, and Wood has been named as the CAC Coach of the Year three times.

Really.  Overselling just a touch, aren't we?   ::)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 22, 2008, 03:23:47 PM
Main Entry:
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2 : first in time : earliest
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on February 22, 2008, 03:33:26 PM
sounds like a challenge, mwcsid. what say ye?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on February 23, 2008, 09:47:58 PM
Media guide
Pron: MEE-dee-uh * Giid

From the Latin root Meeidus guidicus, meaning "Assist in selling the program to recruits so your program can win 15-plus games six straight years"

Okay, I know you was foolin, me too.

That bio must have been written one of the years Rod and Mike won co-CAC COY  :D
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on February 24, 2008, 09:44:45 AM
Six teams in the Mid Atlantic region have active streaks of 15 wins in each of the past six seasons, including 07-08...
Baptist Bible (who was a member of the NCCAA until three years ago), Alvernia, DeSales, Kings, Ursinus and... Mary Washington.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 24, 2008, 11:24:47 AM
Back to my points about YCP and a Pool C bid... losing to Marymount may have completely eliminated them from that "backup plan" for the NCAA Tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on February 24, 2008, 12:21:10 PM
Quote from: mwcsid on February 23, 2008, 09:47:58 PM
Media guide
Pron: MEE-dee-uh * Giid

From the Latin root Meeidus guidicus, meaning "Assist in selling the program to recruits so your program can win 15-plus games six straight years"

Okay, I know you was foolin, me too.

That bio must have been written one of the years Rod and Mike won co-CAC COY  :D



LOL +1   ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbsquared on February 24, 2008, 04:25:16 PM
Since we are now to crunch time for the NCAA bid, will we see an early upset in the quarters? Which game has the biggest chance for a surprise? York should handle Salisbury, and I think all three of the other games show some promise for an upset of a lower seed winning.

UMW has beaten VJ twice, but is a third time guaranteed? Wesley and Marymount are the two that I think have the best chances for an upset. Especially, Marymount over Hood. Hood has been an enigma this year since Gutekunst's loss.

What say yee, board prognosticators?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 24, 2008, 09:47:58 PM
This should be an outstanding tournament with more than a few upsets quite possible.

Good luck to all teams.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 24, 2008, 10:31:42 PM
Quote from: ycp on February 24, 2008, 09:47:58 PM
I say only one CAC men's team to the dance this year. The Spartan loss yesterday pretty much ensured that.

This should be an outstanding tournament with more than a few upsets quite possible.

Good luck to all teams.

Oh, lets be honest.  That actually means "Go York, and hopefully everyone else will screw up."   ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 25, 2008, 09:38:34 AM
It's always Go York with me, I think everyone knows that by now :)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on February 26, 2008, 03:25:15 PM
quiet here considering the tournament's on tonight
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 26, 2008, 04:13:02 PM
Live stats for tonight's York-Salisbury game in York.

http://faculty.ycp.edu/~sguise/mbb/xlive.htm
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on February 26, 2008, 04:29:16 PM
I have

York by 15
Mary Wash by 4
St Mary's in OT
and Hood gets upended by Marymount

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on February 26, 2008, 07:21:16 PM
Wow, York by 15? I'm as big a Spartan fan as they come, but this is still the Tourny, and Salisbury has been a thorn in our side before. I think it'll be closer than that.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbsquared on February 26, 2008, 08:47:42 PM
Well, at the half York is up by 1 and Mary Wash is down by 10. The plot thickens!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbsquared on February 26, 2008, 09:40:36 PM
Mary Wash in OT with VJ and York down by 3 with 12 seconds left. God, I love tourney time!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbsquared on February 26, 2008, 10:03:08 PM
Well, the good old CAC. York loses by 5 and Mary Wasj wins by 3 in OT. Let the games begin!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ex_mu14 on February 26, 2008, 10:52:09 PM
MU over Hood by 3...What are the match ups for the second round?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Brett Adams on February 27, 2008, 12:45:56 AM
#4 St. Mary's host #8 Salisbury
#2 U. Mary Wash. host #6 Marymount

DMAC, the strength of the CAC maybe more of an OOPS of the OWPI and the OOOPPS of the OOWPI.

Meaning, any team that plays conference games (and the more the worst effect) has a OWPI of .500 = each conference opponent (not including the results of their own individual game) will be exactly .500.  One team will win and one team will lose. This also true for the opponents opponents winning percentage because each conference opponent will have played each other again making it .500.  So both are more of a result of there games head to head (which is already calculated in there win loss in region) and their out of conference games.  Therefore, a conference like the Centennial will be skewed closer to .500 and a conference like the NESCAC (which only plays one game in conference) will be less skewed to .500.  Therefore, if teams are playing a lot of games out of conference, they have a better opportunity to have their scores (OWPI and OOWPI) more reflective of their out of conference and their head to head games.  If you really want to look at true strength of schedule, eliminate the conference games from the formula and also add back in a percentage for away games.  I hope that we can tweak that a bit for next year.

Just some thoughts on the math and the percieved strength of schedule... I may have missed something here, but I am sure that someone will call me on it.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on February 27, 2008, 09:55:39 AM
Got to admit I thought UMW was gonna lose it last night.

Salisbury win over York means Mary Wash will host two CAC championship games Saturday if it wins both games tomorrow. I bet that would be a first.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ex_mu14 on February 27, 2008, 08:09:45 PM
I'm hoping MU and Salisbury in the CAC championship game at the verizon..
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 27, 2008, 10:00:53 PM
As great as Salisbury win was... I don't see them pulling it off twice.

And nothing against MU, but they got an easy team to beat in the first round. That being said, SMC has not convinced me they can play consistent basketball.

Championship is at UMW... and it's against SMC.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on February 28, 2008, 04:48:12 PM
Live stats link for the two UMW games tonight:
http://livestats.prestosports.com/umw/
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbsquared on February 28, 2008, 09:51:40 PM
Mary Wash and St Mary's in the championship. Hey D-MAc I noticed York was up to 4th in the region last week, is there still a chance for them to sneak in?

UMW had a win at home and St Mart's won huge at home. Should we judge that the home court will be the deciding factor?

I do like UMW's chances since the game will be a home game.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on February 28, 2008, 10:00:11 PM
 :)

Two CAC Championship Games at Goolrick on Saturday!

;D

Go Eagles!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 28, 2008, 11:24:37 PM
York is not completely out of the picture because they will be on the board after the Centennial runner-up gets picked. But it's not looking good.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 29, 2008, 07:28:46 AM
Agree with Pat... they are on the board... but I still don't see them getting in. Too many losses in region, especially the lose to Salisbury in the first round. I honestly will be surprised if they make it.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 29, 2008, 01:21:33 PM
Game times for Saturday set at 2 p.m. for men, 4:30 p.m. for women.
D3hoopsNet will broadcast audio of both championship games.
http://www.d3hoops.com/audio/
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on February 29, 2008, 01:23:46 PM
Yippeee!   ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CACsportsnut on February 29, 2008, 09:21:17 PM
obviously the loss to salisbury hurts york, then salisbury losing the very next game dosen't help either. losing to marymount who has a sub par year hurts badly as well. the losses to hood, wesley once, and being dismantled by messiah aren't helping either. however they have wins over william patterson, elizabethtown, and mary washington twice. what must happen for York to get a bid into the tournament?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 01, 2008, 11:29:47 AM
CACSportsnut... YCP's chances are getting slimmer and slimmer with upsets in conference tournaments. If a few more teams like Wooster lose, the Pool C arena gets more and more full. I honestly don't think YCP has any chance of getting into the tournament. But, if the Spartan fans want to route on some teams to help their chances... route on Wash U, Amherst, Guilford, and others to win. If even one of those lose this weekend - POP for good!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CACsportsnut on March 01, 2008, 11:49:18 AM
so if even one of those teams go down then that's it? i can understand that I guess. there regional ranking was 4th before they lost to salisbury, and now that desales is back to winning ways im sure there mback to 5th in the region. such a hard thing to believe, a talented team like york is done, just unbelievable. this may seem like a dumb question and i hope i dont receive any banter for this...but do you think they will get some special consideration being that they have a nation-wide known player in first-team all american chad mcgowan wearing there colors? i mean i thought all year long guilford got some special top 25 voting becuase of the player of the year ben strong...so its just a question, but do you think that will get any edge over teams who dont have nationally recognized players. again i stress...its a smoewhat good question!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 01, 2008, 12:03:51 PM
CACsportsnut - no. The NCAA committees don't sit at the table and say, we need YCP in the tournament because they have Chad McGowan. YCP may be a talented team, but they simply didn't get it done when they needed to. They lost too many games they should have won and they didn't help themselves tripping in the first round when they HAD to win!

Also... I am actually disappointed with McGowan this season. Yes, he has gotten his points and rebounds this season, but I didn't see him put the team on his shoulders when push came to shove. I don't think he was as big a factor as many expected from him. He somewhat disappeared from the the normal chat in the region and nation this year. I have no idea if any of the off-season problems really distracted him, but it seemed to derail the team early and they never got themselves into any type of groove for the rest of the season. Just a bit disappointed.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on March 01, 2008, 12:08:35 PM
If a team with a "nation-wide known player in first-team all american" got special attention, maybe it'd be negative attention due to their not accomplishing what they should have.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on March 01, 2008, 12:54:35 PM
D-Mac,

WHAT????????????

Are you kidding me? First, did you even see us play this year? I am really disappointed that someone who has a respected point of view would comment like that when you didn't even see him play this year. He had a great year. He should be the POY of the conference again and should be an All-American again. The only area where he did not perform was at the free throw line. Everything else was better than last year.

Ask Salisbury what their strategy was in the quarterfinals. Throw three guys at Chad whenever he got the ball and he still scored 24. When he was triple teamed he kicked the ball out to the shooters who missed their shots. Not Chad's fault but he certainly did his job. Very rarely did Chad get single coverage all year. That is what you should do to an All-American in the post but he responded to all the things thrown at him all year long, including a number of schools with very classless fans. (Speaking of classless fans, there is an excellent article in this week's Sports Illustrated regarding the boorish fan behavior in college hoops)

The problems with York had nothing to do with Chad or any situation regarding Chad. The problem with the Spartans is that they started the season having to replace their two starting guards and trying to integrate two new starters and two other key newcomers. The Spartans played a tough schedule during the year and had some very good wins and some disappointing losses. Prior to losing to Marymount at the end of the regular season and to Salisbury in the tournament, York won nine straight and 14 of 16. While the bitter taste of the last two games linger, this team was playing well heading down the stretch.

I think everyone forgets this team won 18 games and won their third regular season conference in the last four years. I know everyone wants to focus on the tournament but winning the regular season is the better indicator of who the best team in the conference is over the course of three months. Unfortunately, York has not been good in the tournament the last three years but that does not diminish the 87 wins over the last four years.

D-Mac, what were your expecations of Chad? He led the conference in scoring and rebounding. He was second in the CAC in field goal percentage and also played good defense. He did not foul out this year and blocked 34 shots for the year. Offensively, a post player needs a little help from his shooters. At times he got that, and at times he didn't. Your example of him "carrying" the team doesn't hold any water. If you would have seen the Salisbury game, you would have noticed that when Chad got the ball, he scored or was fouled. We had segments in the game where he didn't get his hands on the ball. Certainly not the fault of Chad but simply a matter of fact in the game. I have a really hard time with your statements that you were disappointed with him. Also, throwing something that happened in the offseason in is total bunk. You should be better than that. Chad wasn't distracted at all. He was great all year.

While I think it is unlikely that the Spartans will get into the tournament, it was still a successful season. Congrats to Chad and Chris for their outstanding four years in the green and white. 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 01, 2008, 01:23:49 PM
ycp - I guess I had higher expectations for Chad than others. Sorry if you don't like that. He is a very good player, don't get me wrong. I have enjoyed seeing him play throughout his career and become a better player every season. I just expected to see him take his game and his team to the next level. This season, I saw a bit of a plateau for him and the team. Sure, he was double (and triple) teamed a lot and he still got his points and rebounds. And while he did have to deal with new guards and a different team, I didn't see him or the team take it to the next level.

Sure, the team did win nine straight, but sometimes it is how you finish that is the guage of how a team did... and the Spartans stumbled... which was too bad. I wanted to see YCP succeed in the conference and eventually the NCAA's, especially after Hood lost Gutekunst and were no longer the same team. But that didn't happen. I am certainly not blaming McGowan, he can't do it all. However, I did expect more. I am allowed to expect more and was a bit disappointed.

By the way, I don't take stats as the be-all and end-all for how good a player is. McGowan might have lead the conference in points and rebounds, but no one, besides Gutekunst, comes to mind as someone who could have completed with McGowan for both those categories. I expected him to lead in those categories. I also expected more of the other tangiables - like taking the team on his shoulders in a game like Salisbury's this week and finding a way to get it done. As for POY this season, I expect McGowan to win it as well, but besides Jughans, I can't think of anyone else in the running.

Also, the CAC is not one of the tougher conferences in the region or the nation. YCP had chances to raise its level of play and dominate... they simply didn't do that. In that nine game winning streak, it started after a bad three-point loss to Wesley and a dismantling by an ok Messiah team. Marymount forced OT against the Spartans before York won. Hood's games was too close for a team YCP should have dominated - especially size wise. And only two of the nine games were wins of over ten points - both to Gallaudet.

By all fairness, I was extremely disappointed in Hood this season - especially when Gutekunst was declared ineligible for the final semester. I was very disappointed in St. Mary's who I thought was going to be a very good team when I saw them play several games earlier this season. Salisbury surprised me with how much they struggled this season. And Marymount once again showed they can't play a consistent season of basketball.

The only surprise for me was Mary Washington. I didn't think they would be in the running for the conference title, but with some of YCP's struggles along with Hood's rough second semester, it allowed the Eagles to rise to the top and they will probably win the title today.

While I appreciate the fact I have a respected point of view, that also means I have a point of view that may not agree with everyone elses. I spend plenty of my life during basketball season getting to games, watching and listening to games online, and keeping track of what is going on nationally. I may not have showed up to YCP this season (I did have plans to do it Thursday!), but I have still followed the team closely in other ways along with plenty of other teams I don't have a chance of getting to. I am sorry if you don't like my opinion... but I stand by it.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 01, 2008, 02:02:21 PM
If you would like to listen to the championship game... Pat Coleman is on the call at Goolrick:

Listen here! (http://"http://pointers.audiovideoweb.com/asxfiles-live/1c3winlive6701.asx")

And there are Live Stats (http://"http://livestats.prestosports.com/umw/mbkb/basketball.html")!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on March 01, 2008, 02:46:23 PM
I guess my question would be, why would the expectations for York be so high? I understand that returning an All-American raises one's expectations but I am not sure those are always valid expectations.

This team was not close to the two NCAA tournament teams of 2004-05 and 2005-06. That team played so well together and was much, much deeper than this team. This is not to demean the abilities of this year's squad but I thought to get to 18 wins was a success. Could it have gotten to 20, I think so but I don't see the season as a failure. It is a disappointment to lose when you don't feel like you should have but the fact of the matter is that they were the best team in the CAC in the regular season regardless of the strength of the league.

I agree with your assessment of the CAC. I thought it would be a bit stronger and there are teams that have continued to underachieve. I don't think York was one of those teams but I am also biased in that assessment. We won a number of close games and winning is the idea. We didn't blow people out and I think you are looking at that fact as a weakness. The name of the game is to win. Maybe that should be an argument on why your expectations were not realistic.

I guess my problem with your opinion is that you did not see any of our games this year. It is a necessary evil to go off results and box scores but if you haven't seen us play, how do you evaluate a player's performance as disappointing? I wonder what you think Chad's stats should have been. Should he have averaged 30 and 15 and shot 60% from the floor?

I am really proud of how Chad handled this season. Everyone was gunning for him and he represented himself and his school with class and dignity.

Dave, I don't agree with your opinion but I respect your dedication to DIII basketball. I just think that your are wrong in this situation. I, too, will stand by that :)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on March 01, 2008, 02:48:19 PM
Live stats link for UMW/SMC

I had trouble pulling Dave's link up:

http://livestats.prestosports.com/umw/
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 01, 2008, 04:28:10 PM
Congrats to SMC on the big win and their first berth into the NCAA's!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CACsportsnut on March 01, 2008, 07:04:50 PM
so with Mass-Dartmouth, Washington U, and Maryville (Tenn), who are the no.5 no. 10 and no. 20 team, and with either the no. 4 or no. 8 seed losing in the game where there matched together tonight, im guessing the hopes for york dwindle even more now?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 01, 2008, 07:35:19 PM
Yeah... getting pretty tough to sneak YCP into the tournament with so many favorites losing... and add Amherst to that list - losing by one to Bowdoin a few minutes ago.

Sorry!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on March 01, 2008, 08:31:42 PM
Good Luck to St. Mary's in the NCAAs!  :)

Represent the CAC well.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on March 01, 2008, 09:09:18 PM
Interesting discussion between D-Mac and ycp there.

Candidly, once Gutekunst went down, I considered York a mortal lock to win the conference and represent the NCAAs in the tournament.  There simply is not anybody else in the CAC that had the level of talent that York did.  Chad McGowan is far and way the best player in the conference, and if you have a guy that dominant in a league that even in a good year is average, well...it has to be a disappointment they didn't get it done, doesn't it?

That doesn't take anything away from what he accomplished individually.  I think part of the problem is that perhaps D-Mac expected him to take over and sort of 'will' wins, but my counterpoint to that is that its very difficult for a post player to really be able to do that.

And yes, you can certainly criticize me for not seeing CAC games this year, but I still do have familiarity with the players and teams.  Besides, let me defend McGowan a little bit on this front:

I think the epitome of what D-Mac is talking about is Pat Maloney...a kid that certainly didn't have the best talent, but my God...when you need points, when you needed something to happen, he just DID it.   I've never seen anything like his will to win and I probably never will.  But he was a guard.  He handled the ball most of the time, and if he had to, he had the ability to bring the ball across the line and then pull up for a three from seemingly in the stands.  Its very tough for a post player like McGowan to be able to dominate like that just by virtue of what his skill set is.  He's still reliant on his teammates, no matter how good he is.  (Btw...that's why I would have taken Kevin Durant over Greg Oden, but that's another discussion).

Congrats to SMC...wow. 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on March 02, 2008, 09:00:16 AM
Hey, congrats to St. Mary's, they did a whale of a job and were the better team. If you'd told me Lesesne and Irmer would have 15 points COMBINED, I sure would have taken those odds that UMW would have won. The Seahawks hit big shot after big shot, and UMW couldn't get an open look, and when they did, they missed.
Coach Harney - best of luck in the tourney! Make a good run and represent the CAC well!!!

Now for the mushy stuff - Justin Baker, Jon Pierce, Eric Pearson, congrats on a great career. You guys are class individuals, who put in 100% from day one all the way through the end. Be very proud of getting to the final and spilling your guts for four years (sometimes literally, eh Justin?) to the final horn yesterday. I'd go to war with you guys any day, and you know if there's ever anything I can do for you, you know where I am.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on March 02, 2008, 11:33:55 AM
First, congrats to St. Mary's and good luck in the tournament. You have a ton of talent and the ability to well represent the CAC.

Matt, you point about a post player vs. a guard are spot on. It is easier for a guard to "take over" than a post player who relies on his perimeter players to get him the ball. There is no question that the end of the season was disappointing but to call Chad's season disapointing is a little harsh and not completely accurate.

I was thinking about this last night. Maybe the best way to say what I wanted to regarding Chad boils down to this. Without Chad, this is a .500 team. To win 18 games with eight losses, to me, shows the value of his play. Having watched this team all season, I guess I would not say that we were any more talented than a number of other teams in the CAC. I think the perception that we were so much more talented than anybody else in the upper reaches of the league wasn't true.

Unfortuanately, I would guess with Saturday's results that the Spartans won't get a chance to add to those 18 wins this year.

Good luck to SMC in the tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 02, 2008, 11:42:42 AM
For the record, I said I was disappointed in Chad's season, not that he had a disappointing season. There is a difference. A disappointing season is if everyone indicates that, including himself. I was just disappointed he wasn't able to do more.

Matt does raise a great point, but there are some interior players who are able to raise their level; and thus the team. One that quickly comes to mind is Ursinus' Nick Shattuck.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on March 02, 2008, 11:45:01 AM
Well, there's always the ECACs...

Don't knock it...the year that Catholic didn't make the tournament (I guess it was 2006), they went to the ECACs and played really well--got a couple of good wins on the road, and I really think it actually gave them something to build on for the following year when they had a very successful season.  Now, granted, McGowan won't be back, but that CUA team lost Sowden and Satalin.  Fumai, Dwyer, Was and Wheels all benefited from that trip though.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 02, 2008, 11:59:30 AM
Is York a member?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on March 02, 2008, 12:48:53 PM
No
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CACsportsnut on March 02, 2008, 01:03:20 PM
My guess off the top of my head would be that No, York is not a memeber and able to attend the Ecacs. If they were a member, would they not have went to it last yeat? They were a 16-10 team, but 3rd in there conference, and the two teams ahead of them...Catholic and Hood, both made the NCAA tourney. Plus they were a top 8 team in the region if i remember correctly?

My question for Dmac is...who do you think get those 17 at large bids? or is it more then 17, because don't woemn's absketball get 20? 17 in Pool C and 3 in Pool B? either or...who do you thinik are those 17/20 teams?

Obviously:

Amherst, UW-Stevens Point, Massachusetts Dartmouth, Washington U, Capital, Wooster...

then highly likely the losers of

Millsaps and Centre game
Guilford and VA Wesleyan game
Gettysburg and Ursinus
Coast Guard and Worcester Polytech
Bowdion and Trinity
and if Concordia Austin wins Sunday against Mary Hardin Baylor, then Hardin Baylor most likely gets one

also im guessing that Roanoke, Randolph Macon, William Patterson, Occidental, Cal Lutheran, Emerson all get some looks

did i miss anyone, and do i sound sort of accurate dmac?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 02, 2008, 01:30:29 PM
There are 17 Pool C bids in men's. Yes... less than women's... but the men's tournament has 59 teams while the women's has 63.

As for who gets the Pool C's... Amherst, UMass-Dartmouth, Wash U, Capital, Wooster, Guilford or VA Wes., Gettysburg or Ursinus, and Millsaps or Centre.

I don't think WPI or Trinty (CT) get in with losses - but others think they will.

Roanoke and RMC - doubtful either of them get in
Emerson isn't necessarily a lock
Cal Luteran - in trouble
Occidental is really on the outside
William Paterson, probably
UW-Stevens Point, probably

MHB if they lose, yes

You forgot about Brandeis, Rochester, and Capital - they are locks.
There is also Middlebury, Buena Vista, and maybe Brockport State who might get in.

Thanks to a lot of upsets this week... there are a lot of "locks" sitting in the Pool C pool right now.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 02, 2008, 01:34:58 PM
I also forgot about UW-Platteville sitting in Pool C.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CACsportsnut on March 02, 2008, 01:41:50 PM
so it seems as if there are 11-12 locks...4-5 probables..and 3-4 maybes already. So I guess it looks like the fat lady is warming up her singing voice for York huh?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 02, 2008, 01:43:42 PM
Yeah... I really don't see York getting in. If they do, I would be very surprised.

But the NCAA has surprised me before. That being said... I doubt I will be surprised on this one.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CACsportsnut on March 02, 2008, 10:36:40 PM
so how many at large bids are there? i know 17 in pool C, but there any in any other pools? the women have 3 in pool B
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 03, 2008, 02:15:37 AM
There are four Pool B bids for the men... but that doesn't affect the CAC in any way.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on March 03, 2008, 01:08:21 PM
Quote from: Dave "d-mac" McHugh on March 03, 2008, 02:15:37 AM
There are four Pool B bids for the men... but that doesn't affect the CAC in any way.

And who'd have thought that Landmark gets two teams in, and the CAC one.

Such is the nature of Pool B, though Moravian and York have similar resumes.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: smcmsid on March 03, 2008, 01:58:00 PM
St. Mary's (Md.) (17-11) draws Guilford (24-4) in the opening round - 8:00 p.m. Friday evening start time against the Quakers in Greensboro, NC. Game will be preceeded by Widener (22-5) vs. Averett (14-14) at 6:00 pm.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CardinalRed on March 03, 2008, 04:38:44 PM
Might be hard for the teams and followers of the three visiting teams to find hotels in Greensboro. I wonder if the committee knew the Women's ACC tournament is being held at the Greensboro Coliseum this weekend also. And if that would have affected their decision at all? :o
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on March 03, 2008, 04:46:07 PM
Quote from: CardinalRed on March 03, 2008, 04:38:44 PM
Might be hard for the teams and followers of the three visiting teams to find hotels in Greensboro. I wonder if the committee knew the Women's ACC tournament is being held at the Greensboro Coliseum this weekend also. And if that would have affected their decision at all? :o
There are a lot of hotels in Greensboro and the surrounding area.  I live about 3 miles from Guilford and know the area well - if I can help anyone with directions, hotel and restaurant recommendations, I will.    As an alumnus and Quaker Club member, however, I will be rooting for the Quakers - hope all of you will forgive me for that!  Safe travels to all.  Peace

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on March 05, 2008, 05:14:37 PM
Information (teams, tickets, directions, accommodations, etc.) for St. Mary's fans:

http://www.guilford.edu/sports/mbasketball/ncaa/index.htm
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on March 05, 2008, 07:23:39 PM
The all-CAC honorary teams are posted

http://www.cacsports.com/sports/mbkb/2007-08/news/MHoop08.pdf

Congratulations to all, especially COY UMW's Rod Wood
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on March 07, 2008, 10:41:39 PM
Congrats to the Seahawks on their HUGE win in the opening round over Guilford.

A very impressive victory. Good luck against Widener.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on March 07, 2008, 11:47:55 PM
Quote from: ycp on March 07, 2008, 10:41:39 PM
Congrats to the Seahawks on their HUGE win in the opening round over Guilford.

A very impressive victory. Good luck against Widener.

Its always Widener for CAC teams in the tournament, isn't it?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on March 08, 2008, 09:59:21 AM
Go Seahawks!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on March 08, 2008, 11:23:16 AM
I hope St. Mary's takes it to Widener!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on March 08, 2008, 11:54:13 AM
Matt,

There's not too much love lost for Widener. They knocked you guys out two years ago and then closed out Wolf Gym with a win over the Spartans. Even though we lost, it was one of the most exciting college basketball games I have had the chance to witness.

St. Mary's has a ton of talent and certainly could make a run in the tournament. It will be a very interesting game tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on March 08, 2008, 03:45:25 PM
Yeah, I remember that well.  The Widener-Catholic game the night before your game was a very good game, too...Catholic had a chance to win it on the final shot but didn't get a good look.  I certainly wasn't rooting for Widener against York, but in a way I sort of felt better--miserly loves company and they did the same thing to you guys they did to us!

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on March 08, 2008, 10:36:55 PM
Wow! Another great game out of St. Mary's. Talk about some hot hands, they just don't miss anymore.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Jeff Gamber on March 09, 2008, 09:47:21 AM
Congrats to St Mary's. Three teams from Middle Atlantic region in the sweet 16....almost 4 with King's coming close.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on March 09, 2008, 06:21:52 PM
Keep going Seahawks!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on March 10, 2008, 12:42:25 AM
In a way doesn't this run by St Mary's show the depth of the CAC.  Maybe York did deserve a bid after all!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 12, 2008, 01:47:23 PM
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Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on March 12, 2008, 01:55:28 PM
I was just taking a look at the season recap for Millsaps to see what St. Mary's has in store for them and I noticed something that reminded me of the Terps run to the final 4 the year before they won the title. In that year they played George Mason, Georgia State and Georgetown in a row, Millsaps first three games are Maryville, Mary Hardin-Baylor and St. Mary's.

I know I'm a huge dork for realizing this, but I need to vent my dorky thoughts and what better place than an internet posting board.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dan Johnson on March 13, 2008, 12:31:53 PM
Wow, you need a hobby!  But in your scenario, wouldn't St. Mary's lose?  I will always root for the CAC!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 14, 2008, 12:19:50 PM
In case anyone missed it... St. Mary's was on the articles in the Around the Nation (http://"http://www.d3hoops.com/nation")... I will warn you, I wrote it... so consider that while reading it :).
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on March 14, 2008, 03:01:53 PM
nice write-up  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on March 14, 2008, 09:49:04 PM
Dan,

I do need a hoby. That's for sure. I root for UMD in DI so that year and the title year the next season always stick out in my head. I wasn't thinking of it as a prediction so much as a simalar run.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on March 15, 2008, 07:36:23 PM
Its kind of pathetic that SMC played a tough game, ended up losing narrowly, and yet a day later there's not even a mention on this board.

Don't they have any fans? 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on March 15, 2008, 10:51:59 PM
Matt,

You drove them away during the Habel days :)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on March 15, 2008, 10:54:41 PM
Congrats to the Seahawks on a great run in the tournament. Alex Franz had a great performance in the loss on Friday night.

Only eight months from today until we tip off 2008-09.

Also, I neglected earlier, congrats to Chad McGowan on his second straight CAC Player of the Year award. He is just one of four players in the history of the conference to achieve this award two years in a row.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on March 15, 2008, 11:08:45 PM
Quote from: ycp on March 15, 2008, 10:51:59 PM
Matt,

You drove them away during the Habel days :)


Nah, the only pushback I ever got from SMC were from players mamas!  (Really!)

They had quite a run though, this year, didn't they!  Classic underacheiver during most of the year that finally put it together and lived up to their potential at the end.


Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: watcher on March 17, 2008, 12:32:11 AM
smcm is going to be very tough next year even though lost of mike smelkison and tyson are going to hurt but they big back a core of good players and have a nice d1 transfer from umbc coming.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 17, 2008, 01:55:29 AM
Should be cool, but keep in mind that D-I transfers aren't automatically superstars at Division III. Often times they come in thinking they can just show up and dominate, and that is just plain not the case.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 17, 2008, 01:56:28 AM
I don't think I'm speaking out of turn when I say that Bob Quillman and I enjoyed watching St. Mary's play this weekend. Great run!

And thanks to the St. Mary's players for the shout-out Saturday on the streets of St. Louis. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: watcher on March 17, 2008, 10:08:17 PM
that is a good point, and I hope this is as good as they are saying and buys into the system but even without him this team is going to be in good position with talent and players they.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on March 18, 2008, 12:20:22 AM
If there is one team that should know there are no shortcuts, it should be St. Mary's.

Now, Lesense was a transfer from Delware State, where he had...issues...and Irmer was a transfer from Hampden Sydney, but...

Obviously transfers aren't automatically bad, but it took a while for that team to gel.

Speaking of UMBC--how about Maryland teams NOT playing in College Park this year!  SMC, Mount St. Mary's, UMBC, Coppin...
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 18, 2008, 12:36:35 AM
My D3 knowledge got me laughing about the D1 tournament for the following reasons:

Coppin St. and Mt. St. Mary's will play each other in the play-in game tomorrow night... in Dayton, OH. If there had been anyone with even a small bit of D3 knowledge, I am sure that game could have been arranged to be played at the 1st Mariner Arena (well, the circus is in town) or as our sports anchor at my station said, McDaniel College, instead!

Then, on the women's side, #1 Maryland will play #16 Coppin St... in NEW MEXICO! Sheesh! If you are going to match teams up and send them places, at least make it make some sense. Just ask the D3 crews. They may not get it right all the time, in my opinion, but at least they figure out the traveling and match-up thing most of the time!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on March 18, 2008, 01:08:45 AM
Well...the play-in game is always in Dayton, but I have no idea why...I guess they figure that its centrally located and they have to have the arrangements made before they know the teams...

It is pretty funny...too bad its not a local game.   Towson would work, too. 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cuabigdog on March 18, 2008, 11:26:47 AM
D Mac..

It is my understanding that the MARYLAND U WOMEN [ #1seed ] play against Coppin State on  Sunday March 23 at 2:30 in COLLEGE PARK at the COMCAST CENTER .....
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 18, 2008, 01:41:37 PM
Yeah... I misread the damn bracket that Comcast SportsNet apparently put up on the screen last night. I was so busy with D3 "stuff"... I wasn't paying as close attention as I should have.

Disregard the comment about the women... thanks!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 18, 2008, 01:41:53 PM
Agreed: West Virginia, New Mexico, Vandy, Montana, Pitt, Wyoming, Baylor and Fresno State are in Albuquerque.

Hope Dave didn't air that on his newscast.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 18, 2008, 01:42:39 PM
I have to be producing a show to do that, Pat! :)

Though I am doing the 6PM show today... but letting the sports guys deal with the sports stuff, for once!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Titan Q on March 18, 2008, 01:47:31 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 17, 2008, 01:56:28 AM
I don't think I'm speaking out of turn when I say that Bob Quillman and I enjoyed watching St. Mary's play this weekend. Great run!

And thanks to the St. Mary's players for the shout-out Saturday on the streets of St. Louis. :)

I was impressed with St. Mary's and really liked the Franz kid - he's going to be a good one.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: watcher on March 19, 2008, 02:57:00 AM
I agree Franz is going to be a great player and should of been rookie of the year. He played a more role player style this year to allow the seniors tyson and smelkison to run the show but we saw what he is more then capable of doing when he is called upon to step up in big games and be the focus of the team which with the graduating of those players he will become.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CACsportsnut on March 20, 2008, 01:58:41 PM
Now that the season is over for all teams in the CAC (Congrats to the Seahawks and there inpressive run, they put our conference back on the map!!). But now that it is over, why not have an early look at next year. I want to try and keep this forum going, considering from October to March it's great, but March to October it is pretty much dead.

Let's start with Cindarella herself...

St. Marys - they lose a good amount with who I felt was the best all around guard in the league, Lesesne, and also a above average play maker in Smelkinson, and TJ Jordan might have been inconsistent, but when on, he was effective none-the-less. They do however return Alex Irmer, Calvin Wise, and Alex Franz (he got cheated on R.O.Y.). That is a good 3, especially Franz who I feel is a budding star. Throw in Mikey Fitzpatrick, and Another decent bigman like Bowden and Jarcinski (all freshman as well as Franz) and a good recruting class, there is no reason this Cinderella's hopes next season have struck 12.

Galluadett - where most people think of them to have a dwn year, I see them being a sleeper team. Jon Mowl is good. He can penetrate, he can shoot it, he can play defense. Lance Gonzalez make my all hard-nose team, and the rest of the role-players will help contribute to some big wins. Onye Davis will be missed, as he was second in the conference in rebounding and there true only inside presence. A big man is much needed, but there only a step away from hanging with the middle of the pack in the CAC.

Marymount - they could do what they did this year *cough...underachieve...cough cough,* or they can really make some noise next year. Stanbeck is gone, so scoring will have to come in other ways, Mazzuchi is gone, so perimeter defense will be something the staff looks for. But Gray is back (scoring and rebounding, R.O.Y in Sean Ingram is back (scoring and ball handling), and Majors, Simenou and Pruitt give some backcourt depth. Elvis Ellis could be key, he is a 6'6 big-body that could easily get 10-12 a game. The season is as easy to predict as a coin flip, but the talent is a major major major upside, and with talent, brings opportunity.

Hood - Gutekunst is gone, but that is nothing new after the first semester. this is a guard oriented team without him, and they struggled with that. but you have to believe that Dickman will get a bigman in. however...if not, Rian McHenry could emerge as a major contributer, and potential stud in this league. 6'6, long, strong and only a freshman. Mark McGlone who would make my all-freshman team is a solid inside out player. But there team goes as the guards do, and returning, who I feel, the deepest backcourt in the conference is big for Hood. Junghans is a cold-blooded scorer, Abercrombie can fill it up, and Anthony Bennett was my 6th man of the year. Combined they scored 40 a game this year, and I can see that only going up. Better believe theis team can be as dangerous as ever, and will be right in the mix again next year.

Mary Washington - Re-load. That word is the epitamy of this program. Last year they lose Fitgerald and Lee, and they still make it to the Conference Championship. Now that Baker is gone, and Pierece has seen his days as an eagle fly by, who will step up. Well it starts with Matt Hale. The best pure shooter in this conference is also a great ball handler, and for his size is a great pereimeter defense. Whitworth is back, and he provides some inside outside game. Altman is a hidden gem in this conference, and he is a potential 18-10 a night wating to happen. Ben Stokes is a great shooter, and they have some good talent off of the bench. A recruiting class would really help, as since Baker is gone, they need a slasher to be able to kick to the shooters. But the season is a whole 9 months away, and that is a loooooong time for a team to re-load, especially one in as rich of a talent pull area as Mary Washington sits.

Salisbury - Gary Ward will be missed. His shooting improved every year, and he also gets a spot on my hard- nosed squad as his defense is way above average for his size. Jonas Vaitkus was a man they really did not use much. His post moves were outstanding, just no ne new because he did not get the ball. He will be missed. Greg Palmer is back, and with his work ethic, he could score 20 plus next season. But can they stop people? They showed they can in the first round game against number 1 seed York. Wesley Sweet was a key transfer for them, and he could emerge as a difference maker on both ends of the floor next season. If I were Steve Holmes however, I would have Palmer shooting 700 shots a day, and touching the ball every time down floor. He is something special.

York - Out of all teams, they lose the most. McGowan is gone, Winters is one and done, and Lankford had a good two years, but he's leaving as well. That isnearly 50 + ppg gone, the leading 3 rebounders, and your 3 leaders gone. However they return rough and ready, do-it all guard Nick Brady, and steady-eddy Jeremy Keefer. Brady could be a 16-18 point per game scorer since he will be getting more touches and most likely able to do more things, while Keefer has shown flashes of brilliance. He has a perfect basketball body, and great IQ of the game. But can these two young players, lead other young'ins? Foley bleeds potential, and if Kelley has shaken the injury bug they have a decent core of 4. After that, the openings are endless. Can they play defense and rebound? A good bigman is needed, no scratch that, is something to kill for right now. Jeff Gamber is a wonderful coach, and has brought in some great players in the past few years. So the chance of another big coming in is good, and if that happens, York could contend for its 4th regular season title in 5 years.

Wesley - they are the most athletic team in the conference, and if you look at it from every angle, they might be the clear-cut favorite coming into 08-09. They lose NON-ONE! RaShawn Johnson has no business in DIII, or DII. He is a remarkable talent, and he could see is ppg go nearly as high as 26-27 a game next year. James Stratton put in 4 straight 20 + point games in a stretch towards the end. So there is the zig to Johnson's zag. Khyle Nelson, Cody White, and Alphonso Wright clean rebounds and are great role players in this system, who could break out on any night. Evan Martin is a 15 point per gamer is he gets the time, and Kevin Johnson (my all freshman team) is as good of a slasher the conference has. They have scoring out the "wa-zoo" and there full court defensive pressure is in your face and bone chilling. Throw in there crazy atmosphere during home games, and you could find an extremely hard team to beat.

Villa Julie - 6'9 Kerry Dugan should have hit the pike, but a broken foot leaves him around for his senior campaign, and you can bet he is going to want to take advantage of that. Greg Woody can seriously go off on any given night. Granite, he has had several nights where he has attempted 10+ three balls, but at the same time there has been a few times he's hit 6-8 of them. Add on the fact that he is quick enough to dodge rain drops, and strong enough to finish at the rim, and you have a possible CAC-player of the year next year. Add in the fact that Mike Turner and Jason lambert might be back after missing the second semester this past year and they are a team that could be breaking some hearts come February and March.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: watcher on March 21, 2008, 06:15:11 PM
I see the CAC being a very strong conference next year and even though every team loses a good players especailly York it will be a stronger league

St Marys-losing smelikison is going to hurt but losing tyson is def going to be there bigges loss. With all that said I see this team to be a better team then this year. They return 4 of there top 6 players while also being in a good D1 small forward and all there freshman a year older. They will be the biggest team in the league and Franz is going to star and dont forget about mike bowden he is going to be tough force along with already great big men in wise irmer jars and mikey fitzpatrick great shooter

Galluadett- This team is going to be tough they have a scrapy hard nose team gonzalez has no fear and light it up and Jon Mowl is a great player. Though none of the other players are going to kill you and they have no real big men, they will steal a few games esp at there place where no one likes to play

Marymount- This is a hard team to judge gray is a beast and ingram and elvis are good players. They do lose stanback who was their best player and i real think losng and Mazzuchi  was really undervalued esp for is defense and leadership. This team has the talent but very inconsistent

Hood-There isnt a better coach in the league then dickman or shooter in in junghans. McGlone is good and bennter and arbercombie are tough. With all this Hood is def going to be one a team to contend with esp with dickmen at the helm

MaryWashington-They return Hale and Altman, Hale is a great shooter and pg and Altman is a tough post player esp if he puts on alittle more weight. Losing pierce and Baker hurts but they have a great coach and playing all those players last year should help with them having more experience

Salisbury-Losing Ward is going to hurt but they are going to be a better team record wise next year. Palmer can flat out shoot the ball and wesley sweet has talent to come on strong end of the year if they get a few players in which they are rumored to be getting they are gonna be a good team

York-This team is going to have to have alot of players step up, I mean losing 3 starts one a two time player of the year and another a all conference player. Brady and Keefer are going to really have to step it up along with some other players who didnt get as much time this year

Wesley- This is def the most talented team johnson is a beast and will do what he has the past 2 years but with stratton stepping up big time at the end of the year and them all being a year older they are going to have a great chance to win the league. That being said they dont really have a inse presence and tend to street ball

Villia Julie-They return Greg Woody who is prob the quickest player in the league and is capable of scoring 30 and shutting down a teams best players. Also mike turner and there other guard(forget his name) are all great one on one players and can each score. If they get a good inside scorer then they are going to be tough esp with them guards

This is being said I think st marys and welsey are going top 2 teams with marymount and hood capable of easyly getting into the mix. The rest of the teams will need other players to step up but could be there if that happens





Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CACsportsnut on March 23, 2008, 09:51:26 AM
I just realized that I picked 9 out the 10 all conference players correctly, so Im going to go out on a limb and pick next years all ready since nothing else seems to be happening in this forum

1st Team All Conference

Greg Woody - G - Villa Julie
RaShawn Johnson - G - Wesley
Ryan Junghans - G - Hood
Greg Palmer - F - Salisbury
Brandon Altmann - F - Mary Washington

2nd team All Conference

Matt Hale - G - Mary Washington
Nick Brady - G - York
Jon Mowl - G - Galluadett
James Stratton - G - Wesley
Anthony Bennett - G - Hood
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: watcher on March 25, 2008, 02:44:01 PM
st marys is ranked 24th in the final poll!!! representing the cac
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: tuckitbackstu on March 26, 2008, 04:04:49 PM
shaun ingram didnt deserve rookie of the year. he wasnt even the best frehsman on the team.  no one gave zack wilmont the credit he deserved. he was a force off the bench who could knock down the big shot.  from a credible source i have been told wilmont finished the 40 in 11 seconds.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Jeff Gamber on April 22, 2008, 04:17:34 PM
Does anyone know how many Division III regular season champions also won their conference post season championship this year? In recent CAC action the regular season champ has not won the conference post season tournamen very often.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Brett Adams on June 17, 2008, 06:12:49 PM
After representing Villa Julie College for the past fourteen years, I am excited to announce the growth of the college has prompted a move to University status by MD Higher Education Commission and simultaneously a name change. The new name more accurately represents the Co-Ed, Private, non-religious, institution with Graduate programs and 3,000 undergraduates.

Stevenson University was chosen as we are located in Stevenson, Maryland (Princeton U is in Princeton, Oxford U. is in Oxford) which is similar to other University names.  Villa Julie College will live on as one of the five "colleges" of the new university.  The original campus will be known as the Villa Julie College of Arts and Sciences of Stevenson University.  The other four "colleges/schools" have not yet been named.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 17, 2008, 07:39:25 PM
Quote from: Brett Adams on June 17, 2008, 06:12:49 PM
After representing Villa Julie College for the past fourteen years, I am excited to announce the growth of the college has prompted a move to University status by MD Higher Education Commission and simultaneously a name change. The new name more accurately represents the Co-Ed, Private, non-religious, institution with Graduate programs and 3,000 undergraduates.

Stevenson University was chosen as we are located in Stevenson, Maryland (Princeton U is in Princeton, Oxford U. is in Oxford) which is similar to other University names.  Villa Julie College will live on as one of the five "colleges" of the new university.  The original campus will be known as the Villa Julie College of Arts and Sciences of Stevenson University.  The other four "colleges/schools" have not yet been named.
;D :D ;D

Oh brother...

Another name change that has not been vetted by the abbreviations department at D3sports.com!

VJC! How simple was that?  Everyone knew who VJC was!

Now SU! Huh?

SU!

Okay! Shenandoah? Schreiner? Southwestern? Spalding? Suffolk? Susquehanna? Salisbury formerly known as SSU!

Scranton or Sewanee eh maybe not...
:-\

And that is just D-III!
:D
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 18, 2008, 12:09:31 AM
Hmm, that is true. We'll have to figure out some way to distinguish Stevenson from Stevens (STVN).

Four-letter suggestions welcome. PRINTABLE four-letter suggestions. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: pabegg on June 18, 2008, 07:42:07 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on June 18, 2008, 12:09:31 AM
Hmm, that is true. We'll have to figure out some way to distinguish Stevenson from Stevens (STVN).

Four-letter suggestions welcome. PRINTABLE four-letter suggestions. :)

SSON or STSN for Stevenson. If you had 5, STVNJ and STVMD would work.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 18, 2008, 08:44:38 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on June 18, 2008, 12:09:31 AM
Hmm, that is true. We'll have to figure out some way to distinguish Stevenson from Stevens (STVN).

Four-letter suggestions welcome. PRINTABLE four-letter suggestions. :)
How about STVO  for Stevenson and STVN for Stevens Tech (as it is now).
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 18, 2008, 02:31:04 PM
I like SSON offhand. That's pretty good.

I have one five-letter abbreviation and it is kinda tight in that space, but isn't used much.

Similar issue: Alvernia (VERN) vs. Alverno (ALVNO).
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Brett Adams on June 24, 2008, 09:00:30 PM
Pat,
how about STMD?
and keep STVN for Stevens Tech
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on August 26, 2008, 11:17:51 AM
The William M. Anderson Center, the University of Mary Washington's new basketball and volleyball facility, is set to be completed by the fall of 2010 with a capacity of 2,000. Take a virtual tour
http://athletics.umw.edu/ANDERSONCENTER.avi
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: GoldnChild on October 20, 2008, 07:48:43 PM
Alright basketball fans that time of year has come around again.  Might as well get this party started off on here as well.  Whats the early season predictions?  Who will be what this year?  Will St. Mary's repeat as champs again this year? Who will be player of the year? Whos got the toughest out of conference schedule? Lets hear whatever it is you have to say. Im obviously new to this posting up thing but im anxious to see what is on everybody's mind so lets stay classy and let this year's posting up get underway. I broke the ice now who will follow up
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Jeff Gamber on October 22, 2008, 02:35:44 PM
Check York College website for Midnight Madness and Season Ticket information
www.ycpspartans.com
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 22, 2008, 03:41:51 PM
I keep checking it looking for Jan. 3-4 tournament pairings. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: D3Basketball on October 29, 2008, 11:56:04 AM
Does anyone know of some of the scrimmages that will be taking place between the teams?  Preseason prediction:
(1) Mary Washington
St. Mary's
Hood
Wesley
York
Marymount
Salisbury
Stevenson
(9) Gallaudet
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: D3Basketball on November 03, 2008, 10:48:57 AM
Is there anyone that is going to compete with Rashawn Johnson for Player of the Year this year?  Junghans, Hale?  Maybe Stratton from Wesley who played big towards the end of the year.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CACsportsnut on November 04, 2008, 09:06:20 AM
Woody from Stevenson, Junghans from Hood, Palmer from Salisbury, Brady from York, Hale and Altman from Mary Washington could all put up a fight, maybe...but it really is RaShawn's to lose I guess you could say.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: D3Basketball on November 07, 2008, 11:08:08 AM
I think it's ridiculous Rashawn Johnson isn't on the preseason team.  He's def a top-25 player in the nation.  I've seen him play about 15 times or so, and he is an unbelievable talent.  I guess the voting folks haven't seen him play much, and are going based on team's record over the last three years, which has been average during his time at Wesley.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 07, 2008, 05:45:33 PM
Is he among the Top 10 guards? Doesn't matter if he's among the Top 25 players overall.

He is definitely on the radar and made it very deep into the debate.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 09, 2008, 09:17:49 AM
I would agree that Johnson is good, but I wouldn't put him in the Top 10 guards in the country. It is certainly a good debate, but maybe this year he can step it up another level and he will get into that Top 10. However... that is a very tough field!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CACsportsnut on November 23, 2008, 04:51:01 PM
What do we think of the CAC so far?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: HoopsontheHill on November 24, 2008, 07:52:58 AM
I think we saw some interesting stuff. Like St. Mary's looking like a team that went to the Sweet Sixteen, and can get back. Marymount winning their first three without Elvis was impressive, losing their first with him back in the mix was perhaps a chemistry glitch that can be fixed.. Looks like Gallaudet's Sekoe White is back. He posted a 20-15 in his first game back after an injury kept him out last season.. However, they played a lot of freshman substantial minutes in their win, so they could go through some growing pains.

Salisbury played some tough teams, and didn't shoot the ball particularly well in any of their losses, so things can turn around if shots start to fall for them. Stevenson's scheduling 2 D-1 schools in the first week of the season was probably a great experience for their guys, but it makes me wonder if it took too big a hit on their confidence (except for Woody, who dropped 35 in their loss to CUA). Wesley has 10 players averaging 10 minutes or more, so they can go deep into their bench and surround Johnson with guys that are relatively fresh to run the floor.






Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: dmac357 on November 24, 2008, 05:00:16 PM
So where does Hood and Mary Washington fall into the mix.  I think this conference is one of the most balanced.  The talent each school has on its roster makes it very competetive.  It's going to be a very interesting season......
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: HoopsontheHill on November 25, 2008, 11:22:48 AM
Hood had an impressive win over Leb Valley. While Mary Washington looked solid but not spectacular in their first game, not so much against Franklin and Marshall.

But you're right in that there is a lot of talent spread out across the conference... This really is the type of season where anything can happen.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CACsportsnut on November 26, 2008, 10:06:21 AM
definately a season where anything can happen. St. Marys looks TOUGH! they just have so many weapons. Irmer, Franz, Fitzpatrick, Bowden, Wise, and the list keeps going.

Wesley had two tough early teams to play, I think there record does them no justice what-so-ever in the first three games.

York seems to be very young. having trouble figuring them out...get beat relitively easy by Nueman and Misericordia, but hang with No. 23 Widener for 30 minutes, and lead No. 11 gettysburg almost the whole game only to make "young" mistakes to lose by 9. I don't feel their record does them justice either

Villa Julie has two losses to 2 D1 programs. Good for experience, bad for confidence...which one out weighs the other?

anything van happen in this conference, should be an extremely exciting year.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on November 30, 2008, 10:00:31 PM
Gallaudet jumping into 4-0 head start after win the Gallaudet Holiday Basketball tournament over Maryland Bible College, 70-67 in championship game tonight.

They beat Penn State-York, 95-83 last night in semi-final play.

Sekoe White won the tournament MVP, while Senior Jon Mowl and Freshman Tony Tatum was named to the All-Tournament team.
Gallaudet beat Randolph College 61-57 and Christendom 80-54 in their first two games of the season.

Up next for the Bison ballers is at the conference foe, Marymount University on this Wednesday, February 3rd.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CACsportsnut on December 01, 2008, 07:43:19 AM
Definately congratulations to Galluadett for winning the tournament, and their 4-0 start. Congrats to Sekoe too, he is having a great season and really helping galluadett. Only thing is they may be 4-0, but the combianed records of the 4 teams are 4-16. 3 wins coming from Christiendem. Definately great confidence builder to start 4-0, but i really want to see how they handle Marymount...if they do...then I'm close to being a believer.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: HoopsontheHill on December 01, 2008, 09:20:14 AM
Gallaudet's 4-0 start is a confidence booster, but reality will set in for them at Marymount. While their freshman look talented and White and Mowl are providing  leadership, they are still a much too small team. Their lacking of a post defender will be exposed. CAC teams will assuredly shoot better than the teams Gallaudet has faced so far, if the Bison so choose to clog up the paint on D.

The undefeated team to watch is obviously St. Mary's. They were already a good team, and the Griffin addition has made them even better. It is going to be fun to watch this team play.

Conference play starts up on Wednesday.. Looking forward to it...
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: harrishoop on December 01, 2008, 04:09:13 PM
Quote from: CACsportsnut on December 01, 2008, 07:43:19 AM
Definately congratulations to Galluadett for winning the tournament, and their 4-0 start. Congrats to Sekoe too, he is having a great season and really helping galluadett. Only thing is they may be 4-0, but the combianed records of the 4 teams are 4-16. 3 wins coming from Christiendem. Definately great confidence builder to start 4-0, but i really want to see how they handle Marymount...if they do...then I'm close to being a believer.

I'm with you. They almost never had a 4-0 start in years and congrats to them. I'm quite surprised how they set their tournament with Penn State-Berk, MD Bible knowing for a fact they had a big fat chance to win it all.  I remember Coach DeStefano setting up tougher opponents likes of Widener, Averett, Philly Pharmacy,  some of the NY teams to get them prepared for the CAC. I'll be at the Gally/Marymount game this Wednesday and bringing a recruit w/ me to watch. 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: smcmhawk on December 02, 2008, 11:56:23 PM

SMCM is for real.  Any thoughts on the upcoming game with Marymount?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: harrishoop on December 03, 2008, 10:42:04 PM
Marymount 84 Gallaudet 79

Exciting game to watch.  Both teams are pretty athletic which is why Gallaudet was in the game.  However, I see that Gallaudet live and die with the 3s.  Their 3s kept them in the game.  They cannot afford to have any mental collapses.  One thing I can say is Gallaudet is definitely better than last year.  With Sekoe White coming back and the new additional of Tony Tatum, I don't see them finishing last in the CAC. They can win.

They need to work on the game situations when they're down 3-4 with less 5 min left to play.  I'm pointing to their mental mistakes when they continue to rebound from their own misses and continue to shoot 3s. Hope they can improve that area.  Good luck on the next game...
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on December 05, 2008, 05:02:25 AM
Quote from: harrishoop on December 01, 2008, 04:09:13 PM
Quote from: CACsportsnut on December 01, 2008, 07:43:19 AM
Definately congratulations to Galluadett for winning the tournament, and their 4-0 start. Congrats to Sekoe too, he is having a great season and really helping galluadett. Only thing is they may be 4-0, but the combianed records of the 4 teams are 4-16. 3 wins coming from Christiendem. Definately great confidence builder to start 4-0, but i really want to see how they handle Marymount...if they do...then I'm close to being a believer.

I'm with you. They almost never had a 4-0 start in years and congrats to them. I'm quite surprised how they set their tournament with Penn State-Berk, MD Bible knowing for a fact they had a big fat chance to win it all.  I remember Coach DeStefano setting up tougher opponents likes of Widener, Averett, Philly Pharmacy,  some of the NY teams to get them prepared for the CAC. I'll be at the Gally/Marymount game this Wednesday and bringing a recruit w/ me to watch. 

I got to agree with harrishoop with this comment upward. Coach DeStefano tend to setting up tough schedule compare to this year's cupcake schedule. Also, to be honest with you... CAC was much more competitive and stronger conference in past with Catholic and Goucher in the league.

I predicted that Gallaudet would go 4-0 head start this year then lose to Marymount. But for whatever reasons the team set the schedule this year... maybe was because they need some morale and build team's confidence for the future. Maybe Coach Barber is different from Coach D.

I recalled that Coach DeStefano had those guts to schedule against then nation ranked #6 Nebraska Wesleyan and actually upset them at Field House in one of those old glory days.

All I could say is different coach and different era... Go Bison!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: HoopsontheHill on December 05, 2008, 10:47:09 AM

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I got to agree with harrishoop with this comment upward. Coach DeStefano tend to setting up tough schedule compare to this year's cupcake schedule. Also, to be honest with you... CAC was much more competitive and stronger conference in past with Catholic and Goucher in the league.

I predicted that Gallaudet would go 4-0 head start this year then lose to Marymount. But for whatever reasons the team set the schedule this year... maybe was because they need some morale and build team's confidence for the future. Maybe Coach Barber is different from Coach D.

I recalled that Coach DeStefano had those guts to schedule against then nation ranked #6 Nebraska Wesleyan and actually upset them at Field House in one of those old glory days.

All I could say is different coach and different era... Go Bison!
[/quote]

The "cupcakes" on Gallaudet's schedule have been there before Coach Barber got there.. Look at their schedules in the archives of D3hoops.. They go back to 2002, where Maryland Bible appears. To 2003 where Christendom appears. Coach Destefano started those relationships, Coach Barber just continued them. Also, the CAC isn't less competitive. St. Mary's may be the favorite right now, but everyone on here has been saying anything can happen. We have arguably 2 All-American guys in Griffin(St. Mary's) and Johnson(Wesley). Thats not less competition. Thats more competitive balance.

Yes its obvious that DeStefano and Barber are different. The theory that scheduling upper echelon teams prepared the Bison proved to be untrue. Seeing as how they went 1-13, 1-13,    1-13, 7-7, and 1-15 in conference play since 02-03. And maybe the confidence will serve them well as evidenced by that near comeback at Marymount. However they have a LONG way to go to be considered a top team in the CAC, or even to be in the middle of the pack.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: harrishoop on December 05, 2008, 02:11:00 PM
Quote from: HoopsontheHill on December 05, 2008, 10:47:09 AM
The "cupcakes" on Gallaudet's schedule have been there before Coach Barber got there.. Look at their schedules in the archives of D3hoops.. They go back to 2002, where Maryland Bible appears. To 2003 where Christendom appears. Coach Destefano started those relationships, Coach Barber just continued them. Also, the CAC isn't less competitive. St. Mary's may be the favorite right now, but everyone on here has been saying anything can happen. We have arguably 2 All-American guys in Griffin(St. Mary's) and Johnson(Wesley). Thats not less competition. Thats more competitive balance.

I got to disagree with ya. Not only Gallaudet played MD Bible and Christendom.  Mary Washington played Christendom several times and Goucher played MD Bible during Coach D's coaching career...  Bisonpride was referring to this year's schedule compared to the past.  This year, they got Christendom twice, played MD Bible in Gally Holiday tournament and will play them again.  Johnson Bible, Medgar Evers, CCNY.  Coach D faced tougher non-conference teams than this year's cupcake teams.  Personally, it's nice to see a record 4-1 at this point with a loss by only 5 points.

As for CAC, it's always the same regardless with or without Catholic and Goucher.  There'll always be a CAC team ranked in the top 25 every year or so.  York is one of the most consistent winning teams. I just hope others follow in their steps since Catholic and Goucher left.  Would like to see at least 2 CAC teams in the NCAA Div 3 tournament every year.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 06, 2008, 10:52:13 AM
Quote from: harrishoop on December 05, 2008, 02:11:00 PM
As for CAC, it's always the same regardless with or without Catholic and Goucher.  There'll always be a CAC team ranked in the top 25 every year or so.  York is one of the most consistent winning teams. I just hope others follow in their steps since Catholic and Goucher left.  Would like to see at least 2 CAC teams in the NCAA Div 3 tournament every year.

Not so sure about this. I think the CAC is certainly competitive, but it lost a lot with CUA and GOU leaving. The one thing that CUA brought to the table was a compliment to York and UMW. And back in the 90's and early in the century, Goucher did the same thing. Right now the CAC is very top heavy with YCP, UMW, and now SMC leading the way, but never more than two teams at a time. You can't look at the entire league and say more than one team deserves to be in the Top 25 and sometimes no team deserves to be there - for an entire season. And this isn't a yearly thing at all. I have actually been disappointed in the CAC the last few seasons. YCP's run to the final four didn't trickle down to everyone else. CUA's national title I think brought the conference up and made it better, but YCP seriously looks like a random occurence when looking at the CAC.

It is tough. This conference has the capabilities of being a very respected conference nationally and certainly help lead the Mid-Atlantic Region back up from the bottom. But they lost their best chance. The Centennial until last year was a conference that had slipped. F&M was no longer on the radar, JHU struggled until two years ago, and no one else was stepping up. But instead of replacing the Centennial, the CAC stumbled. They had the chance and I think losing CUA and GOU was the reason. CUA's last season with Hood in the conference was one of the more exciting seasons in the CAC since the late 90's. CUA, Hood, YCP, UMW with GOU, SAL, MMT, SMC right behind them made it a great season. Two teams made it easily to the tournament, but didn't represent. Since then, nothing to brag about. VJC (now Stevenson), YCP, and SMC still carried the CAC banner, but there is no one else doing the same. There was a lot of hope for UMW year in and year out, but they usually fall apart at some point and never materialize in the CAC tournament. And now the Centennial has returned to prominence in the region. Ursinus and Gettysburg are leading the way eith F&M, JHU, and even McDaniel raising their programs as well.

Despite CUA and GOU leaving the conference, I am still a fan and a supporter of the CAC... but I am also realistic. This conference needs more than one team every year to be playing well. SMC is the team right now, but can YCP, UMW, or anyone else actually going to come along with them? Until then, SMC maybe a bit lucky to be in the Top 25 - thanks to an undefeated season, so far, and many losses in the Top 25. They stumble once, they probably come out. Is there another team that is going to bring a spotlight to the conference? I don't see it, right now. For that reason, I think the conference has suffered without GOU and CUA. (Granted, these two teams aren't doing all that well in the Landmark right now!)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Virtu on December 06, 2008, 07:02:55 PM
If you ask me, talking about scheduling differences will get us nowhere. Different coaches have different philosophies in this regard. Given Gallaudet's unique, specialized student pool, I don't necessarily see anything overly wrong with scheduling similar opponents, including Christendom and Maryland Bible. Personally, I'd like to see more specialized universities that share near-identical recruiting challenges on Gallaudet's schedule, such as Yeshiva. 

Bottom line: is the Gallaudet basketball program getting better?

Without doubt.

WIth one of the best recruiting classes in a long time, Coach Barber has an exciting, athletic, and young team on his hands. What's most impressive for me, however, is how his recruits embody academic standards that reflect the new Gallaudet. While I remain unconvinced whether we have enough size to contend in the CAC, I am comforted that we will properly represent Gallaudet and the deaf community on and off the hardwood.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: HoopsontheHill on December 07, 2008, 12:47:27 PM
Congrats are in order to Coach Brett Adams and his Stevenson Mustangs for taking down York in a Quadruple OT game... Stevenson had three guys playing 55+ minutes, with Greg Woody being the high point man with 30.

The St. Mary's game vs Marymount was a lot closer than I thought it would be. And that was with Ingram going 1-11 from the 3.

Wesley clearly frustrated Gallaudet and blew them out in the second half, never looking back. Looks like Coach Kobasa played Johnson until there was about a minute left in the game..

You stay classy San Diego..
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: smcmhawk on December 08, 2008, 12:24:50 PM

St. Marys vs Marymount is a rivalry, so it will be a close game most of the time.  St. Mary's, hands down is the better team and the #1 team in the CAC.  They will lose some CAC games due to the balance in the conference but at this rate might get an at large bid even if they do not win the conference.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MUFAN15 on December 08, 2008, 09:28:30 PM
Hey guys..Im new on here..but Im a Marymount fan and I am honoring Mike Gray with the number 15 since hes a senior and a very good basketball player. I been to 3 Marymount games this year and I think they have more talent this year but last year's team was a better team. I was at the St.Mary's game I think Marymount could have won that game but they play ABSOLUTELY no defense. They shot a terrible percentage, but from the 3 games that I saw, I can see that they try and outscore people which they are going to have a hard time doing. This is what I seen from this team so far

Mike gray will avearge around 14 and 8 this year. I think he is a good basketball player but undersized. He will not get as much easy buckets this year without a pass first point guard and around a 20ppg wing playing with him to take some attention away from him ( Majors, Stanback) but I think he will make second team all conference.

Shaun Ingram is going to average around 12ppg this year..his Ballhandling has gotten better but it is still terrible. He is a one dimensional player that will live and die by the 3ball.

Chapmen Cannady is  ashoot first point guard. I really think he can takeover a game but the problem is that he does not know how to do it within the offense which is a big problem. I sit in the stands and it is very visible that he has a bad attitude everytime McClary takes him out the game. A great talent but I believe they will not win many games with him as the point guard.

Patrick Prewitt is a coach's dream....this kid plays so hard and can give the team 10ppg just off of hustle plays. I really think that he should play more from what I seen. He starts but McClary takes him out in the first 4 mins of the game and doesnt put him in until the end of the half. ( thats what he did in the games that I saw). Hopefully he will get more minutes as the year goes on

Sam Sens is the most out of shape college player I have ever seen. Looking at him just makes me think if they had a conditioning program in the off season. I can tell that he have skills but it doesn't matter if he have skills or not when you are fat. He played well against St. Mary's but still won't be a factor until he is 30 pounds lighter.

Tarek A. ( dont know how to spell his last name) Very very talnted player..he will give you 15 but the problem is that he will give up 25. Reminds me alot of Stanback by the way he rebounds and gets to the basket. He has to work on his jumpshot but he has a very bright future.

Davon Spieght is a Dennis Rodamn type of player..gvies the team alot of energy off the bench. His intelligence is not there but works very hard when is on the court. He gives the tram a little bit more depth in the front court.

Bryan Debruin is a solid player. He hasn't been making sot but the kid can rebound. Very limited player but brings 100 percent effort everytime he touches the floor. Will be around a 7ppg and 3reb guy.

What is going on with Elvis Ellis???? I seen him on the bench a couple of times in regular clothes.. I don't know what the deal is but he has not been playing. I seen him in boxscores in the games that they had out of town but havent seen him since. I think he can help the team alot on the offensive side.

Redell Spinks is a very good defensive of player. I think he is a true point guard but can not make a jumpshot to save his life. His funky form will never allow him to make a shot but the kid can play on my team any day.

Overall I think this team will be around 16-11 or 17-10 with a 4th seed losing in the semi finals. From the games I seen, they have alot of trouble stopping teams and they really don;t have a go to guy like they did last year with Stanback. At times nobody on the team would make shots and they had nobody to go to when they were in need of a basket. I think the Cannady kid has the potential but he doesn't know how to take over a game. He thinks coming down and jacking up a shot is helping the team when its not. Last year Stanback would take over games but at the same time the team would still have the offensive flow. Maybe Cannady can have a conversation with Stanback about that. Hopefully this team will play some defense and get over the hump.

As for the rest of the conference I have only seen Galluadet and St.Marys. St mary's is good but not 18 in the country if you ask me. They are very athletic and will probably win it again this year. Galluadet this year is not the Galluadet from the past. They will win some games this year but they will still be a 7th 8th or 9th seed.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: smcmhawk on December 09, 2008, 01:13:23 PM

MUFAN15 interesting post.  Are you a fan, student, alumni?

St Mary's 14th in the country!!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MUFAN15 on December 09, 2008, 05:38:43 PM
I graduated from Marymount in 2002 and been a fan since I been a student
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: smcmhawk on December 10, 2008, 09:35:11 AM

MUFAN15 is the Marymount fan base happy with the coach?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MUFAN15 on December 10, 2008, 04:25:53 PM
Its like 50/50...I think he is a ok coach..He makes some questionable decisions but all coaches make mistakes. I just don't know if they make as much as he does

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on December 18, 2008, 06:34:07 AM
Up next for Gallaudet Bison would be on December 27, at Medgar Evers College (0-7), and December 29, at City College of New York (0-8). Both teams are combinated for 0-15 record, so look for GU to win both cupcake games easily in the state of New York to improve it's record from 5-2 to 7-2.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: harrishoop on December 18, 2008, 09:51:05 AM
Quote from: bisonpride on December 18, 2008, 06:34:07 AM
Up next for Gallaudet Bison would be on December 27, at Medgar Evers College (0-7), and December 29, at City College of New York (0-8). Both teams are combinated for 0-15 record, so look for GU to win both cupcake games easily in the state of New York to improve it's record from 5-2 to 7-2.

Geez, another cupcake teams...  You know I was doing the total records of teams Gallaudet beat. Teams Gallaudet beat has a combined record of 8 wins 47 losses. Now another cupcakes in NY with a combined record of 0 wins and 15 losses.  Add that to overall record after Gallaudet will cruise to 7 wins- 8 wins/62losses.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: HoopsontheHill on December 18, 2008, 11:11:24 AM
Well... Most teams have two CAC games done and over with.. The confrence is playing out much like many expected, with St. Marys on top with Mary Washington, and everyone else looking up at them both.

Bisonpride, maybe you should change your posting name... Doesn't sound like you have much pride in your school. Instead of guys like you and Harrishoop being happy that your program is winning, you crush their achievements. Your problem is you think because a team is bad, it can't win.. But the thing about college basketball is you have to play the game to win... It isn't an automatic win because the team isn't as good as you think. Case in point, a highly ranked St. Mary's losing to an unranked Baruch, or Gallaudet losing to a Cal Tech team that lost 184 straight before playing the Bison.
Some of those "cupcakes" that Gallaudet beat this year, they lost to in years past.

No game is easy. Especially when a team expects to win, because thats typically when they play their worst.

I'm not curious about the Bison and their season, they're in rebuilding efforts, and will be for a while. I'm curious about York... They are having quite the up and down year. They are losing to teams they wouldn't think twice about in years past, yet they compete with the likes of a nationally ranked Gettysburg. Any thoughts on York?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CACsportsnut on December 18, 2008, 07:20:14 PM
Good question, I have been wondering that as well. I'm looking at their schedule so far through the season and I agree, a complete roller coaster.

My opinion is that you can really sum-up the first 9 games for York with one word: Young.

They lose to Widener at Widener by 12, when they were No. 23 in the country, they lose to Gettysburg by 9 at Gettysburg when they are No. 11, and a sound victory at Hood sheds some light on just how good they could be, but losses by double digits at home against Nuemann, and a loss to Salisbury at home are pretty unforgiveable. Only explanation could be for the Salisbury loss is that after a loss to Stevenson in Quad-OT at home, legs could be tired and spirits could be down for such a young team.

They start two freshman, a sophomore and two juniors. No seniors I noticed play significant minutes...where's Pat Kelley? The two juniors are Jeremy Keefer and Nick Brady. Both have played big minutes since coming in as freshman, but both played behind a two-time All-american and another all-conference player as well. This is their first time really leading a collegiate team, and they do not seem to be doing to bad. Keefer is one of the overall most gifted athletes in the conference, and Brady is one of the best overall scorers in the CAC. I haven't seen them play other then Villa Julie at home, but at that game i noticed the two freshman have GREAT potential, and Hoffman (soph) is a real energizer for the team. Ive noticed that York plays three players 35+ minutes per game, and really only a 7-man rotation though. Tired legs? Maybe this break will do them good.

As with everyone elses season they seem to be inconsistant. You do not know which team will show up. They are a very fun up-tempo team to watch when there on, but when they arent clicking they can look very raw as well. But granted, there young. So the question is, how will they be when they all grow up? Could be the consistant winning York team of old? Maybe, the season is young, but I'm not completely ruling it out.

Would love to hear some feedback on this team as well...



Other team I want to know more about also is Hood...what is going on in Fredrick? Something does not seem right with Hood...
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbsquared on January 07, 2009, 10:20:29 PM
Wow! What a change in a year for this board!! Where are all the posters? Early on it looks like St Mary may hold serve again this year with Wesley, Mary Wash and others nipping at their heels.

Any earth shattering revelations on the race out there?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 17, 2009, 10:57:09 AM
Awfully quite in this room, especially after a rather surprising win by York over SMC!!! Anyone see the game?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 18, 2009, 04:30:02 PM
Jeez - you can hear a pin drop in this room!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbsquared on January 20, 2009, 03:02:18 PM
Got a chance to see the Mary Wash- Marymount game last night. Extremely physical game. Marymount will definitely give some people trouble under the hoop if the game is called loosely like last night.

Wesley looks like they are going to push St Mary's for the early league lead, but there is still quite a bit of conference action to be enjoyed. Big game coming up between Mary Wash and Wesley this week.

Anyone else have any observations?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CACsportsnut on January 21, 2009, 12:41:17 PM
Obviously Mary Washington, Wesley and St. Mary's seem to be the cream of the crop this year in the CAC, atleast as of now. Salisbury is a pleseant suprise at 4-3. Gallaudett is 0-7 (maybe there out of league schedule really was that sub-par), but I feel they have the talent to really shock some people. Then there are 3 teams (Stevenson, Marymount and Hood) who are 2-4, and York sits at 2-5. Marymount I do not feel is a 2-4 team, and York definately is not a 2-5 anymore. I thought they were only so-so, but after beating St. Mary's in a grind out win, and almost upsetting Wesley I think there a team that could really develop into something. Marymount has the talent, they just need to use it EVERY game. Were basically half-way through the conference games, and if I had to guess now, I think the playoffs shake down like this:

1.) St. Marys
2.) Wesley
3.) Mary Washington
4.) Salisbury
5.) York
6.) Marymount

Stevenson just barely misses the cut.

I have two questions...has RaShawn Johnson already established himself as the conference player of the year? And where has Junghans been from Hood? I have not saw him in any of the box scores the past 4-5 games.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: yakes_md on January 22, 2009, 10:40:10 AM
I believe Junghans graduated early and is no longer with the Hood basketball team.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Teamski on January 24, 2009, 09:36:30 PM
Went to go see the Wesley- St. Mary's game today.  Wesley pulled through and made up an 11 point deficit to win the game 97-93.  As with Mary Washington, the Wolverines gave up a lot of height, and had to make up for it by an aggressive defense. 

-Ski
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CACsportsnut on February 01, 2009, 09:59:28 AM
CAC looks like it could go down to the final few games to see who will make the playoffs. Any guesses? And once playoffs are set, who wins it?

Also, who is the P.O.Y., R.O.Y., C.O.Y., and 1st and 2nd team All-Conference? I have to try something that will get this board rolling again...
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Teamski on February 03, 2009, 06:43:26 PM
We'll certainly find out in the last two games.  Wesley will have it tough with the last two road games of the season, which will undoubtedly determine who will get #1 and #2 seed in the CAC.  They are on one hell of a run right now.

-Ski
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Teamski on February 05, 2009, 05:38:09 PM
Wow, Wesley really sucked at Marymount.  They let the Saints drive to the basket at will, and let them dominate the paint.  Add way too many rushed 3's and you have a rout.  They just weren't in the game and the Wesley record 11 wins in a row ends with a truly lackluster game.... 

-Ski
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: watcher on February 05, 2009, 09:53:07 PM
The regional rankings were released today with Wesley and St Mary's coming in at number 4 and 5 in the region also I don't know what teams they should be on but I like rashawn johnson matt hale camtonta griffin alex franz brandon altman devin jones nick brady alphozo wright mike gray and greg woody
rookie of the year brendan straughn coach of the year and player of the year I am waiting to see who finishes on top
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: HoopsontheHill on February 06, 2009, 09:51:35 AM
For All Conference I think Rashawn and Griffin are obvious locks.  From there it should be Hale, Altman, Woody, Wright, Gray. And while Gallaudet has only won one game, statistically Sekoe White has had a great season. Top ten in a number of categories including points, rebounds, assists, and a/to ratio.

I have Kobasa as COY with McClary runner-up, Johnson as POY with Griffin the runner-up, and I have Straughn the runner-up for ROY, I have the Tatum kid from Gallaudet.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CACsportsnut on February 06, 2009, 01:11:24 PM
I think when you look at POY it isn't eve close really. Camonte has had a great year, but RaShawn has averaged 25 and a half a game overall (5th in the country) and a serious 27.2 in conference play. He also is third in steals in the conference, leads it in total 3's, and he plays 38 minutes a game on a team that is first overall in the CAC. He has simply been head and shoulders above everyone else to this point.

ROY is think is between Straughn and Tatum. You can say that Gallaudett has only won 1 conference game, but then again Hood has only won 3. So if you look at what which player does more for their team and you might have to go with Tatum in the first part of the year. Since then though, Straughn has began to impress me. Overall stats favor Tatum, but what Straughn can do for his team dosen't nessecarily show up in the box score (defend other team's PG, handle the ball). As of now its a toss-up, I can't choose. I don't feel you can leave Julian Watson of York out either. Same as Straughn but with more scoring, and has won the matchup all three times thus far against Tatum and Straughn. Also plays 35+ a night, alot for a freshman to do, especially at the PG position.

COY I feel you can make a bigtime case for Coach Kobasa of Wesley, because there 1st overall in the conference, have boasted a 9 game win streak. have the highest scoring team in the CAC, and have really just been a well-coached and disciplined team. He gives Wesley alot of freedom, but they never get to crazy with it. Thats coaching. But I think i give it to Coach Harney of St. Marys. He lost a great player in Lesanse, and another great creator in Smelkinson. Also, coming in after a Sweet 16 appearence and a top-25 rating holds alot of weight. They came in well-prepared, have played in a tough CAC conference, and still can boast a 10-2 conference record, and 17-4 overall. He has done a fantastic job once again.

1st-Team All Conference

Rashawn Johnson - Wesley - G- See Above

Camonte Griffin - St. Mary's - G -2nd overall in scoring. first in FT attempts, 7th in assists, 4th in steals. Just an all around great guard, nothing else is nessecary to say. Runner-up POY is also probably the quickest player in the conference.

Matt Hale - G - Mary Washington - 4th in scoring, 2nd in 3's. Biggest and most consistent scoring threat for number 3 team in conference. Also great creator as well. Brings alot of leadership to the table and has a great basketball IQ

Nick Brady - York - G - 4th overall in conference in scoring, and third in in-conference scoring. Most suprisingly is also 4th in rebounding. Only player in top 5 in both categories. Good leader for a young team

Brandon Altmann - Mary Washington - C - No more dominant inside presence in the CAC then Altmann. Scores 15 a game, grabs 10 rebounds (first), shoots a good FG and FT %, blocks two shots (first), and alters many many more. Should be first team not just this year but next year as well.

Second Team -

Greg Woody - Stevenson - G
Alex Franz - St. Mary's
Sekoe White - F - Gallaudett
Greg Palmer - F - Salisbury
Mike Gray - F - Marymount / Jeremy Keefer - F - York
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: watcher on February 15, 2009, 05:41:47 PM
looks like every team is playing for something coming down the stretch with smcm and wesley fighting for homecourt through out and the rest of the teams fighting for seeding and to just make the playoffs
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: watcher on February 17, 2009, 02:17:11 PM
I am kind of new when it comes to the whole ncaa tourny and who gets to host. But smcm is 20-4 right now and 2nd in the region if they win out, whats the chances of them hosting the 1 and 2nd round
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 17, 2009, 03:18:46 PM
It's possible -- I'd say around a 50% chance. I haven't been in the gym since it was redone, and that's a big part of the hosting, but from what I've heard it would work.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on February 20, 2009, 12:02:28 AM
Programming note...

This Saturday D3hoops.com will broadcast the St. Mary's/Wesley showdown as our D3hoopsNet Game of the Week starting with pregame coverage at 3:50 pm.

You can listen to the broadcast by clicking here (http://pointers.audiovideoweb.com/stcasx/1c3winlive6700/play.asx).

The broadcast link will not work until pregame coverage begins.  D3cast broadcasts require Windows Media Player 9.0 or later to listen.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: watcher on February 23, 2009, 02:58:04 PM
what a great game on saturday between st marys and wesley, both teams made big plays down the stretch and what a great team win for st mary's missing two key starters
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Teamski on February 26, 2009, 09:10:52 PM
 :o My word!  It's gonna be Marymount at Wesley for the 2009 CAC Championship!!!  I would of sworn that St Mary's had that game in the bag.   

-Ski
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 27, 2009, 11:43:42 AM
WOW!!! That's amazing. Go Saints!  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Teamski on February 28, 2009, 04:09:55 PM
Congratulations to the Wesley Wolverines on their well-earned 2009 CAC Championship victory!!  Well done! 

Wesley trailed by 10 points at the half due to to Marymount's effective inside defense and some very cold shooting on the part of the Wolverines.  Sure enough, the second half changed all that with some key 3 pointers from Rudy Thomas and a new defensive scheme that effectively kept Marymount out of the paint.

It's onto the NCAA playoffs!!!  :D

-Ski

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: watcher on February 28, 2009, 10:58:32 PM
congrations to wesley on there championship and hopefully them and smcm who should get in make a good run and represent the cac well in the tourny........on another note does anyone know when all conferences come out
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Teamski on March 01, 2009, 01:40:03 AM
I was impressed by the turnout of Marymount fans.  They were definately loud and present!!

-Ski
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: larry_u on March 02, 2009, 04:39:02 PM
Can someone post your NCAA team's profiles in here:

http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=6299.0
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: laxhound on March 03, 2009, 01:53:02 PM
All Conference team announced!!

First Team
Brandon Altmann Jr. C Mary Washington Vienna, Va./James Madison
Alex Franz So. G St. Mary's Catonsville, Md./Cardinal Gibbons
Camontae Griffin Jr. G St. Mary's Baltimore, Md./Dunbar
Matt Hale Sr. G Mary Washington Centreville, Va./Westfield 2nd in '08
Rashawn Johnson Sr. G Wesley

Second Team
Nick Brady Jr. G York Hanover/Delone Catholic ROY in '07
Evan Martin Sr. G Wesley Wilmington, Del./Laurinburg (N.C.)
Greg Palmer Jr. G Salisbury Salisbury, Md./Salisbury Christian 2nd in '08
Sekoe White Sr. F Gallaudet Lexington, Ky./P.L. Dunbar
Greg Woody Jr. G Stevenson Baltimore, Md./Mt. St. Joseph 2nd in '08

2009 CAC Player of the Year: Rashawn Johnson, Wesley
2009 CAC Co-Rookie of the Year: Tarek Ammoury, Marymount (G, McLean, Va./McLean)
2009 CAC Co-Rookie of the Year: Julian Watson, York (G., Odenton, Md./Arundel)
2009 CAC Coach of the Year: Scott McClary, Marymount (first time)

I have to say that I do disagree with some of the picks here.  Coach of the year going to the Marymount Coach I really think it should have went to the Wesley Coach.  They were one of the top teams in the conference all year while having no player over 6'3" in their starting line up.  Not to mention that this was only their second year in the conference.

How is Evan Martin from Wesley not on first team.  I agree with everyone on the first team but Matt Hale should have been replaced by Evan Martin.  The three times they played Evan had Matt Hale on lock down.  In the second half of the head to head playoff game Mat was held to 2 points.

Player of the year was a tight one in my opinion.  The two freshmen from York were pretty good as well.  Tarek is a one dimensional player who can not shoot.

Just my opinion but some of this seems like politics to me.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CACsportsnut on March 03, 2009, 02:14:36 PM
Well I can see where your dismay is in the Coach of the Year, but I think the fact that he took marymount to the CAC championship game and the brink of an NCAA bid without Gray or Ingram might have sealed the deal for him. Coach Kobasa from Wesley had to be runner up. Rookie of the Year I agree with. Im sure player of the year was not as close as you think. Whoever didn't vote for RaShawn Johnson for POY must have lived under a rock. He is 5th in the country in scoring. Camonte is a great player, but RaShawn was just head and shoudlers above everyone. Evan Martin did have a great year, but before you make a case for him to be on first team, I think Nick Brady and Sekoe White come up first. Both top 5 in scoring, top 7 in rebounding, Both lead there teams in virtually every category. Were they snubbed? Possibily, BUT who do you kick off first team to make room for them? You can make some cases here and there, but the bottom line is Wesley, Mary Washington, and St. Mary's were more successful, and without those first teamers, there teams would probably not be contenders. So really it is correct if you look at it that way. I think it boils down to that when you have players like Brady (17 ppg, 7 rpg) Sekoe (18 ppg, 7 rpg) and Woody (19 ppg) all on the second team, it just goes to show how tough the CAC really is and how good the players really are. My only question is where was Devin Jones??? He had a spectacular year. Congrats to everyone that were named to the respective teams! Goodluck to Wesley, "rep" the CAC.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: watcher on March 03, 2009, 04:07:38 PM
i like all the picks here i agree that maybe mary washington shouldn't have 2 on the first team but aleast one should be there and matt hale prob could be a 2nd teamer but he was big in some games for them so i see why he is a first teamer. I think nick brady and sekoe white were brillant this year and had great stats but when ur team finishes as bad as they did your not going to make first team. The rest of the teams i agree on
1st team
rashawn johnson-was the best scorer and althete in the league. He is going to be missed next year

brandon altman- was a double double machine and the best big man. He is going to be force next year if they can get someone to get him the ball

Alex franz- was the best point guard he blew everyone else away in assist numbers and lead league in steals while averaging double  figures, .  Only sophmore to be on 1st or 2nd team,   I think he can be player of year next 2 years with what he does with all around game

Camontae Griffin was 2nd in the league in scoirng and prob the best player in the open court. only a junior going prob lead the league in scoring next year

matt hale- best shooter in the conference and stuff he does at his size very impressive. a sr going to be missed loved watching him play

2nd team

nick brady- stats wise he is the best all around player in this league. If he had been on a better team would be a first teamer. Only a junior I think he is going to be a beast next year esp if they get a big man to help him out

evan martin- i think he was a great compliment to rashawn and a great player. i think him along with griffin were the best on the ball defenders in the league. Was alittle wild sometimes but that is wesley philosphy and it worked for him. Is a senior welsey going to miss him

Greg palmer- great shooter, i think needs to involve more of a dribbling game but he can knock it down. Only a junior and with salisbury bringing everyone back i think going to be tough esp with devin jones who i believe should been on this list of 2nd team. maybe over palmer

Sekoe white- i say the same things about him with nick brady. Great players on a bad team. he is a senior so he is done but galludet really going to miss him and mowl

Greg woody- great scorer on a bad team. but def deserve to be a 2nd teamer- only a junior him along with griffin and brady prob lead the league in scoring next year


player of the year- rashawn def deserved it esp when they win the league. you prob could made a arguement for franz or griffin if they had won the regular season against welsey without griffin and tournment title. but winning the tournment sealed it for rashawn

coach of the year- i belive should of been coach kobasa from wesley or if not him coach harny from st marys. im sorry i know marymount made a 2 game run at the end and upset st marys but we need to look at the whole season. What coach kobasa did without any big man and to win the league he deserves it and if not coach harny after losing 2 key starters and winning the regular season title aleast deserves some votes\

Rookie of the year- watson deserved it and just like marymount coach tarek came on at the end but we need to look at the whole season
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: laxhound on March 04, 2009, 02:21:17 PM
Ok so let us play selection committee here.  We can throw 4 players up on the board:  Matt Hale, Evan Martin, Nick Brady and Sekoe White.  Lets look at conference statistic categories and head to head match-ups.

Scoring:
3. Sekoe White
5. Nick Brady
7. Matt Hale
8. Evan Martin

Rebounding:
5. Sekoe White
7. Nick Brady

Assists:
3. Evan Martin
4. Matt Hale
5. Sekoe White

FREE THROW PCT:
2. Matt Hale
7. Nick Brady

Steals:
6. Evan Martin
8. Sekoe White
13. Matt Hale

3-POINT FG PCT:
3. Matt Hale
8. Evan Martin
13. Nick Brady
14. Sekoe White

3-POINT FG MADE:
2. Matt Hale
3. Evan Martin
6. Nick Brady
13. Sekoe White

BLOCKED SHOTS:
6. Sekoe White

ASSIST/TURNOVER RATIO:
4. Evan Martin
5. Matt Hale
8. Sekoe White

OFFENSIVE REBOUNDS:
7. Sekoe White

DEFENSIVE REBOUNDS:
3. Nick Brady
7. Sekoe White

Ok so lets say that for every category that a player leads ( Just taking into account the players that we are debating  here ) they get 1 point, 2nd .75 pts, 3rd .50 pts, 4th .25 pts.  It would break down like this:
Sekoe White: 7 pts
Matt Hale: 5.5 pts
Evan Martin: 4.75 pts
Nick Brady: 4.25 pts

Since Sekoe's team finished dead last in the conference putting him on first team is a stretch.  The same should go across the board since the others were so tight.  Putting 2 players from a team that finished 3rd in the regular season and 4th in the conference playoffs is a stretch.  It would be hard to give Nick Brady first team with his team finishing 6th regular season and 5th during the conference championships.

Without Rashawn Johnson Wesley would not have been as good, like wise goes for Evan Martin.  Who was second only to Rashawn in every category for the Conference Champs and 2nd regular season team.  Evan out shined Nick Brady, Matt Hale, and Sekoe White (except for 1 game ) in everyone on of there head to head match ups.  Obviously the selection committee does not look at box scores. 

If all that does not make a strong enough case for you lets put Evan up against Matt when it maters the Conference Semifinals.  The real players show up when it it crunch time.  Here are the stats from that game.

Game Stats:
Matt Hale:  14 pts, 7 reb, 3 ass, 1 to, 1 stl
Evan Martin:  19 pts, 5 reb, 2 ass, 2 to, 2 stl
1st half stats:
Matt Hale:  12 pts, 2 reb, 1 ass, 0 to, 0 stl
Evan Martin:  5 pts, 4 reb, 2 ass, 2 to, 2 stl
2nd Half Stats
Matt Hale:  2 pts, 5 reb, 2 ass, 1 to, 1 stl
Evan Martin:  14 pts, 1 reb, 0 ass, 0 to, 0 stl

The thing is that Matt and Evan were guarding each other.  Well Evan was guarding Matt and Mary Washington was playing a zone.  2 pts in the second half when the game is on the line sounds 2nd team to me.

Do not get me wrong I think Matt Hale and Nick Brady are both excellent players.  But there is no way that Evan Martin did not deserve to be on the First Team with Brandon Altmann, Alex Franz, Camontae Griffin, and Rashawn Johnson.

POLITICS
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CACsportsnut on March 04, 2009, 05:05:15 PM
You looking way to much into stats my friend. Its about what your guy does for that team in yes, those stat categories, but other things as well. Leadership, coachability, teamwork, hustle, etc. And in no way am I saying that Evan Martin does not do any of those things, I am just saying that your looking much into stats, you have to analyze everything.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: laxhound on March 05, 2009, 09:35:49 AM
There is a reason they wait until after the conference championship to make up this team.  MATT HALE DID NOT SHOW UP TO PLAY.  Evan Martin shut him down in the semis only allowing him to score 2 points in the second half and them came back and shut down Patrick Prewitt from MMU in the championship game not allowing him to score a single point in the second half. 

Leadership:  Team Captain of Wesley.  Ask Rashawn Johnson who runs the team and he will tell you.  Every News interview he has had this year he declared it.
Coachability:  Team Captain of Wesley and their point guard (everything runs through the point)
Teamwork:  Just watch a game and you will see how Evan runs his team.
Hustle:  Without question Evan is a def monster.  It was stated earlier that Evan and Camontae Griffin are the two best on the ball defenders in the conference (that take hustle)
etc:  Showing up when the game is on the line and it is either win or go home (real players show up when it counts).  Matt Hale has been sitting at home since last Thursday.

Everyone thought oh oh oh it is going to be Mary Washington and St. Mary's and here comes Wesley winning it all after just being in this conference for two years.  Wesley deserved Coach of the year honors and two players on first team all conference. 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: laxhound on March 05, 2009, 09:49:56 AM
Really though this is all opinion and it is all said and done with now.  Wesley will take their CAC championship title and live to fight another day.  Which is actually tomorrow.  It looks like it is going to be a game of contrasting styles.  Wesley's high octane vs F&M half court Princeton style.  As long as Wesley's shooters show up to play it should be a good game.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: @d3jason on March 06, 2009, 08:44:42 PM
Looks lik the Dips are going to be too much for the Wolverines tonight. They are winning the battle in the paint and the Wlverines are shooting just 33 percent, while F & M is at 57%.

I was wondering how many athletes had played in a D-III football playoff game and a D-III basketball playoff game like Wesley's Sean McAndrew?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 08, 2009, 03:25:45 PM
Jared Jenkins, wide receiver/guard for UW-Stevens Point is on that list.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Teamski on March 09, 2009, 07:02:16 PM
Quote from: Conrad on March 06, 2009, 08:44:42 PM
Looks lik the Dips are going to be too much for the Wolverines tonight. They are winning the battle in the paint and the Wlverines are shooting just 33 percent, while F & M is at 57%.

I was wondering how many athletes had played in a D-III football playoff game and a D-III basketball playoff game like Wesley's Sean McAndrew?


Yeah, Wesley really gives up a lot of size in the middle, Sean being Wesley's only possible answer.  They suffered that mismatch all year, and when the 3's got cold, it was a long game, indeed!

  Thanks Wesley for getting your first NCAA playoff birth in school history.  You did good!

I am so looking forward to seeing the Irish Connection when the two Seans start hooking up, this next year.  Sean McAndrew really impresses me, and with his Basketball backround, will be one TE to contend with next year.  He doesn't have quite the size of Lannuette, but I think he will be quicker and maybe even smarter.  Hopefully, he will work on his blocking this summer.  Tweak that and wait for the numbers to drop.....  ;)

-Ski
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 11, 2009, 05:01:02 PM
Any readers here who are even thinking they might want to attend the Final Four should enter the City of Salem's contest: Free lodging, free tickets, admission to team banquet and VIP passes:

http://www.d3hoops.com/salemgiveaway/
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on June 09, 2009, 02:14:04 PM
CAC's press release on Frostburg joining and Gallaudet leaving the CAC can be found here
http://www.cacsports.com/general_releases/gen0809/CACaddsFrostburgSt
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on June 10, 2009, 09:58:23 PM
The CAC might want to think about changing its name and logo now that it has increasingly little to do with the Nation's Capital!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ronk on June 10, 2009, 10:18:24 PM
Matt,
  You're forgetting that York was America's first capital(the Continental Congress).
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on June 13, 2009, 09:50:14 PM
Well, they'll still need a new logo!  I didn't see any domes last time I was in York--which I believe was the next-to last game played in the old gym.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 14, 2009, 12:22:07 PM
The first tournament weekend? Yeah -- Catholic/Widener was third-to-last, York/York was second-to-last and Widener/York was the last.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on July 21, 2009, 09:47:47 PM
Marymount made a terrific pick up this month.
Chris Rogers should be an excellent addition as the new head coach.
Chris will be greatly missed at F&M.
He is a fantastic recruiter and given a few years should win a championship at Marymount.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: watcher on October 07, 2009, 01:24:13 AM
lets get this board active been dead for a while. How are all the teams looking, who does everyone think is the preseason favorite,  how about player of the year . Anybody heard of any good freshman or transfers coming in
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: watcher on October 30, 2009, 08:50:43 PM
st mary's preseason number 20.....looks good for the cac
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: dmac357 on November 05, 2009, 07:28:52 PM
I went out to see Hood scrimmage Catholic University, there may be some surprises and their bench seems to be pretty deep with talent..... :)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbsquared on November 08, 2009, 07:25:41 PM
Mary Wash took it on the chin in their scrimmage against Gardner-Webb on Saturday. They lost by 19 and never seemed to be comfortable scoring. They shot less than 30% and that does not bode well considering the loss of the backcourt of Hale to graduation.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CACsportsnut on November 17, 2009, 09:52:37 AM
Congratulations to York College who won the championship in their own tournament last night, with a 33 point victory Saturday over Penn State-York, and a hard fought, well-deserved win over a very very impressive Catholic team in OT. The Banzhaf kid is very good. Maybe a different team in York PA then last year?

Why is this board so dead in comparison to others?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbsquared on November 22, 2009, 10:06:02 AM
Mary Washington split this weekend at the V Foundation Tournamanet iat Roanoke. They won in double overtime against a Lynchburg team picked 11th in the ODAC and lost by 2 to Roanoke, who is picked 6th in the ODAC.

Altman lost a tooth in the scum against Lyncburg. At least we know now that CAC officiaiating is as bad as it is in the ODAC.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 22, 2009, 12:30:40 PM
Seeing a lot of CAC teams this weekend at the Pride of Maryland Tournament. And there are some suprises.

Salisbury played very well last night against St. Mary's in the semi-finals. Didn't know what to expect since the Seagulls barely beat Goucher on Friday night... but Salisbury looked good. Just a missed three at the end of the game kept them from winning.

Salisbury played solid on both ends of the court. McGrew is a lot better this year, adding bulk and even some inside moves. Guard play is improved... both shooting and running the offense.

St. Mary's I thought might slip a little from last year's squad - lsoing Irmer could be considered a lot - but they are just as good, if not faster then last season. Franz has really stepped up his game. He showed full-court pressure defense that really suffacated the Salisbury guards; he found ways to get other guys involved on offense with timely passes and good ball movement; he also found ways to penetrate and get baskets inside along with stepping out and being a threat from the wing. He might be the early favorite for POY in the CAC (granted, I have only seen four teams! :)).
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 22, 2009, 12:38:17 PM
Now for the real surprise... Hood. I honestly didn't know what to expected from the Blazers. I know they have been rebuilding over the last few seasons, but I didn't have high expectations for them. After the game against Johns Hopkins, I was impressed. They certainly have a lot of good talent especially in the guard position and inside they have good atlhetic guys who can create. They are not going to be a spoiler, but a true player in the CAC. Can they win a title? Maybe a bit early for them... but they are going to keep St. Mary's and other honest.

As for Stevenson... the struggles continue. Inconsistent play from different units is really the team's achilles heal. Coach Adams continues to try and find what five-guys can perform with one another well, which lead to whole-sale substitutions and different starting lineups this weekend. Unfortunetly, the Mustangs just don't have the talent to compete with the Hood's, SMC's, and SAL's, and York's of this conference. But if they can figure out a few things and get better at playing with one another, they could play spoiler late in the season when conference seedings are on the line.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: dmac357 on November 23, 2009, 10:18:26 PM
As I stated before, there may be some surprises from Hood and there bench, they Gave St. Mary's a run for the Pride of Maryland and if not for so many turnovers could be on the other side of the winners circle.......keep your eyes open, spoiler maybe not, but a contender....I'll be the first to say I Think So!!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 24, 2009, 06:25:06 AM
dmac357... your not the first... I said it in the post beforehand:
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 22, 2009, 12:38:17 PM
Now for the real surprise... Hood. I honestly didn't know what to expected from the Blazers. I know they have been rebuilding over the last few seasons, but I didn't have high expectations for them. After the game against Johns Hopkins, I was impressed. They certainly have a lot of good talent especially in the guard position and inside they have good atlhetic guys who can create. They are not going to be a spoiler, but a true player in the CAC. Can they win a title? Maybe a bit early for them... but they are going to keep St. Mary's and other honest.

And are you trying to steal my moniker?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on November 24, 2009, 10:07:16 PM
I really didn't know what to expect from the Spartans this year, especially when I heard that Julian Watson wasn't back on the squad. But so far I've been real impressed with how this young team has played. With 8 freshman as well as two upperclassmen new to the team no one would have been surprised to see them struggle out of the gate while they got used to playing together, but that hasn't been the case.

With tonight's win in the closing seconds of a game that they trailed nearly the whole way YCP has improved to 5-0 More importantly they seem to be coming together incredibly fast which is a testament to the coaches and the senior leadership of Nick Brady and Jeremy Keefer.

I'm looking forward to seeing how the teem is playing going into CAC play, but am very optimistic about the 09-10 team being formidable in conference. 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: dmac357 on November 25, 2009, 05:14:55 PM
Okay d-mac you did state that they may be contenders in the CAC...It's all good!!  I noticed the talent they had while scrimmaging against Catholic University, and was impressed..also note earlier post.  I have been following them for 3 years now, since there big center Jesse "G" graduated a few years back they have been rebuilding and I think they've finally gotten to a point that they can make their presence known once again in this conference.  This is going to be an exciting conference this year......

As far as the moniker......depending on how old you are, I've been carrying mine through 27 years of military service, and I've been retired a couple of years now.  So who is using whose moniker can be debated..LOL!!  8)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: watcher on December 03, 2009, 10:52:40 AM
First night of conference game showed alot I expected St mary's to win which it did but I was surprised by salisbury lost at home to hood. I thought both teams are about even after watching them in the pride of maryland but that salisbury would win because it held the home court. Also I havent seen Mary Washington or Wesley this year so if anyone was there yesterday could give us a update how the teams lost last night it looked like was a good game from the score. Finally Stevenson beating galludet Idk if that is upset because I expect the teams to be around the same but it being at galludet I think a god win for stevenson
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: spartanfan13 on December 13, 2009, 08:52:29 AM
Had the opportunity to see York beat St Marys last night.  Just a couple observations.  I feel like the key to the victory was Jeremy Keefer.  It was good to see him playing with passion.  I think he will be the key to this team.  Nick Brady and Kevin Whaley are going to score points, but we need Jeremy to play with the passion he showed last night.  Being a senior, he probably wants to show leadership by being by scoring a lot of points.  I feel like the leadership will come through by being tough on the boards (like last night) and just staying in the offensive flow and take opportunities when they arise.  York is a good 3 point shooting team but there are going to be nights when they just are not falling and rebounding and defensive pressure will be the keys.  The defense was there last night, Franz and Griiffith were mostly kept in check.

It seems like Coach Gamber will mostly go with a nine man rotation.  After the starters he has 3 freshman and Matt Moley coming off the bench.  The freshman need a little more time to get used to the speed of the college game, even though Skloda has shown that he can shoot.  I love watching Matt Moley play smart basketball and tough defense. 

In short, York has alot of potential, but still has a way to go.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on December 14, 2009, 04:23:28 PM
It's nice to see Nick Brady and the Spartans on the front page of D3hoops.com again!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on December 14, 2009, 11:46:49 PM
I had to look at the box score from tonight's York win over Wesley three times to see if I was reading it right. The Spartans shot 67.9% from the floor, 85.7% from the line and 58.3% from three. Way to shoot it Spartans!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: huskiect on December 19, 2009, 09:40:08 AM
York is looking tough this year. I have not yet had a chance to see them play but hope to catch a game in Jan. I think the other post talking about Jeremy is spot on. I think he understands that. He had an awesome game against Wesley and if you watch the post game on the York web site he speaks well about his role as a leader on the team. There is a lot of good chemistry on the club.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: spartanfan13 on January 03, 2010, 11:16:19 AM
Saw York beat Rosemont last night. Hope it was just the holiday doldrums. It was the second five who finally brought a little enthusiasm to the gym.  If they play that way tonight, Gettysburg won't let them get away with it.  I don't want to take anything away from Rosemont, because they only had 8 guys suited up, but they were ready to play.  It seemed like York "played down" to the competition.  Kevin Whaley knows how to rise to a challenge, but he didn't seem up for the game.  Paul K. seems to be playing more confidently and Jeremy let the game come to him, especially at the end.  So there were positive signs.  Again, it might have been just the rust of the layoff, but get ready for tonight because Gettysburg will want payback for the previous last minute loss.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: spartanfan13 on January 04, 2010, 10:28:29 AM
Well the doldrums only lasted one day.  YCP played its best game that I've seen this season.  Paul was a monster on the glass and Jeremy did a nice job on the offensive boards.  It seems like they've been taking lessons from the Nick Brady school of rebounding.  Everyone was also playing good defense.  Every time Powers got the ball down low, our defender had help on the backside.  He didn't score many points down low.  We also were very aggressive.  Kovaris got called for a foul after pulling down #10 (who flopped) because he was making a statement that he wasn't going to take #10's crap.

Nick got the offense going early and everyone followed.  I did notice that Dylan was taking more shots than he usually does. I don't want him to go overboard because he can't shoot like Brady, Whaley or Skoloda,  but he does need to take a shot when it is given to him, just to keep them honest.

We now enter the tough part of the season.  Good teams win conference games on the road.  We will soon know how good this team is.  Go Spartans!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Spartan Radio on January 08, 2010, 04:17:45 PM
Fans can listen to Saturday's York at Hood doubleheader on YCPSpartans.com.  Here are the direct links:

Women = http://broadcastmonsters.com/YorkCollege/WBasketball/york010910.asx

Men = http://broadcastmonsters.com/YorkCollege/MBasketball/york010910.asx

Webcast will start roughly five minutes before tip, 3:55 p.m. for the women's game and 5:55 p.m. for the men's game.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: spartanfan13 on January 17, 2010, 08:12:35 AM
Spartans overwhelmed an inferior opponent last night.  A couple observations.  Paul Kouvaris couldn't get his shots to fall, but I love the way he is becoming a more aggressive rebounder.  Jeremy Keefer has been doing a nice job of letting the game come to him and taking what the defense gives him.  He also did a nice job denying entry passes at the beginning of the game and getting some steals.  Matt Moley does the little things that don't show up in the scorebook and last night he had to deal with a few ticky tack fouls called against him.  Dylan Hoffman played one of his better games, because he (like Keefer) didn't try to force the action.  It was nice to see Mitch Kemp hit a couple rainbow three pointers, should help his confidence.  For those of us who watched him in high school, we know he is capable.  Hopefully gives Coach Gamber another weapon.  Skoloda struggled with shot last night, but we didn't need it.  Brady and Whalen were solid as usual.

Couple road games coming up and we need to find a way to win.  Big advantage to finish in the top 2 of conference come playoff time.  Go Spartans!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CACsportsnut on January 20, 2010, 10:59:30 AM
Well we are 2/3's through the season (barring playoffs) and after tonight will be half way through the conference schedule. How about some predictions to help"liven" up this board a little? Regular season predictions, cnference tournament predictions? CAC selections, Player and Coach awards? Anything really, this used to be the most active board!

Half way through the season I feel that four teams have put themselves in the upper tier of the conference, while a few remain sleepers, and well, two might be fighting for that final spot in the 8 team playoff.

York and St. Mary's look very impressive so far, York at 13-3 (5-2) and St. Mary's at 13-2 (6-1). Hood has been a pleasent suprise, playing every team very tough and also, like St. Mary's, holding a 6-1 conference record. They battle tonight however, and one team will roll on to 7-1, while the other falls to 6-2. The fourth team in that "upper-tier" is Marymount. Rough start to the season, but have bounced back and played exceptionally well in conference.

Salisbury is a sleeper team who can beat teams if not taken seriously (i.e. York, Mary Washington)
Mary Washington puzzles me, but they are young besides Altmann and I am sure Coach Wood will have them as a team to "wreckon' with come February. Big test tonight at home against York.
Wesley is also a tough team to over look because of their athleticism through their whole lineup and their up-tempo style.

Gallaudett and Stevenson are both still looking for an identity and that big win. They are fighting for what seems t be that final spot.

Basically the story is the same old in the CAC, tough competition throughout the entire conference...if you take a night off, there is a good chance you will garner an "L" for that night.

To make things interesting as I have the past few years I am going to predict how I feel it will shake out. Now I am no Andy Katz from ESPN so take it easy on me with the critiques.

Regular Season finish I feel will shake down to:

1.) St. Mary's
2.) York
3.) Hood
4.) Marymount
5.) Wesley
6.) Mary Washington
7.) Salisbury
8.) Stevenson
9.) Gallaudett

CAC Conference Tourney champs I feel that York might take that, grabbing the automatic bid, and St. Mary's getting an at-large. Wishful thinking that 2 CAC teams make it...Should have been two in last year(Wesley and St. Mary's).

Predictions on CAC Selections:

Freshman of the Year - Jeremy Skoloda, York..Josh Sisco, Gallaudett..also to mention, Bart Reese, Mary Washington
              Skoloda is York's best scorer off of the bench, and maybe the best overall freshman scorer in the conference. Plays big minutes for one of the top 2 teams in the conference, and with those minutes along with scoring, defends opposing teams top scorers. Sisco is the leading rebounder and scorer among all freshman in the CAC and has been solid all year long. However, playing for a in-conference winless team does not help. I said keep an eye on Bart Reese because he exploded the other night and that was really his first game playing big minutes. He couldd be a real impact player with the more minutes he gets.

Prediction - Skoloda or Reese

Coach of the Year - Tom Dickman, Hood...Jeff Gamber, York...Chris Rodgers, Marymount
              Dickman has a taken a team that had a decent year last year, lost 2 starters (one to graduation, another removed himself from the team) and went under everyone's rader, and has transformed that team into the best defensive team in the league. They are 6-1 in conference, 11-5 overall, and probably will not be an easy out in any of the 16 games they play in conference all year. Gamber's Spartans went 9-17 last year, and lost their reigning Co-CAC Rookie of the Year for the season. The response? 13-3 overall at this point, 5-2 in conference, and for some weeks were on the brink of joining St. Mary's in the D3hoops.com top 25 poll. Rodgers has come to Marymount after a Final 4 run with Franklin & Marshall, which he was the assistant coach. He has Marymount playing arguably the best basketball in the CAC and has made them into a sure fire contender, all with only a sumer and a pre-season under his belt.

Prediction - Dickman

Player of the Year - Camonte Griffen, St. Mary's...Nick Brady, York...Brandon Altmann, Mary Washington...Alex Franz, St. Mary's
            For starters lets just open up with 51 points. And that was not in a blow out win against a poor defensive team. That was against a 11-5 team, and the best defensive team in the conference, in a 7 point margin victory. St. Mary's needed all 51 of those points. Camonte Griffen is the best scorer in the CAC (22.1 per clip), and does it shooting good percentages as well. 87% from the line, 46 from the field. He adds ins 2.2 assists per game along with 2.4 steals per game.  It hurts that he plays with another fantastic player like Franz, who may be the best all-around player in the conference. 12 points, 5 assists, 6 rebounds and 4 steals per game. That is efficiency. He is the floor leader on the top team in the conference and may also be able to boast about himself being the brightest player in the CAC. He never gets flustered, which is tough to not do when you have a bullseye on your back and get every teams best game. It Is hard however to ignore what Nick Brady has been doing as well.  If it were not for Franz he would maybe have the label as top all around player. He not only is scoring 19.3 per game while shooting 86% from the line, 49 from the field, and 43 from 3, but he also is arguably the best rebounding guard in the conference (6.0 rebounds per game) along with Franz. Also, he is leading the conference in 3 pointers made.Brandon Altmann has been wodnerful, but has flown uner the radar a tad due to Mary Washington's struggles. He is the premir big man in the league, is a double double machin at 19 points and close to 11 boards a game, shoots high %'s, and defends the rim well. He is so important to Mary Washington and without him, I fear their struggles would be more serious.

Prediction - Griffen or Brady

All-Conference

1st Team

Camonte Griffen - St. Mary's
Nick Brady - York
Brandon Altmann - Mary Washington
Alex Franz - St. Mary's
Tarek Ammoury - Marymount

2nd Team

Kevin Whaley - York
Greg Palmer - Salisbury
Rudy Thomas - Wesley
Kevin Johnson - Wesley
Tyler Snoots - Hood
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: huskiect on January 26, 2010, 10:42:48 PM
Nice Job. I think you have got a handle on things. It would be nice to see two CAC teams make it.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Brett Adams on January 28, 2010, 02:30:32 PM
CACSportsnut,
great commentary.... just one clarification.... CAC play-offs (as of last year) include only the TOP 6, not the top eight.  No. 1 and No. 2 get a first round bye and a host for the semi's.  No. 3 host No. 6 and No. 4 host No. 5.... No. 7, 8, and 9 prepare for next year.

Great competition in the conference.  Love being in the CAC.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: huskiect on January 30, 2010, 10:07:41 AM
I wish more people would discuss on this board. If you look at the ODAC board that board is always buzzing.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: spartanfan13 on January 30, 2010, 07:55:02 PM
CACsportsnut.  Wish I could comment on your post, but since I only see York College home games I am not familiar enough with opposing players.  I enjoyed your commentary and based on what I know, agree with your assessments.  Should be interesting as we enter the final weeks.  York had a big win against Hood today.  They are undefeated at home this year, so if that continues they would have the inside track on getting the number 2 seed for the playoffs.  Since they have struggled a little in the conference on the road, they will be an underdog in the finale at St Marys, but would probably be favored on their other 2 road contests at Stevenson and Gallaudet (but being the favorite doesn't mean they can't lose).  They have 2 tough home games this week with Marymount and Salisbury (lost to both on the road) so if they let down to either of them, the number 2 seed could slip away.  Lots of time left, for interesting things to happen.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: spartanfan13 on January 30, 2010, 08:12:23 PM
YCP played one of their best halfs of basketball today.  Their offense was sizzling in the first half as led by Nick Brady who had 22 points and 6 three pointers at the break.  I know this sounds contradictory, but I thought #42 was playing tough defense on him too.  Nick was feeling it and no defense was going to stop him in that first half.  He cooled down in the 2nd half and finished with 30.   I always like the way Matt Moley plays and today it was outstanding.  Things were falling his way and he was capitalizing.  He didn't force anything (maybe one shot from the deep corner). He was getting some rebounds and playing good defense (like always).  Nice game.  The Jeremys, Kevin, Paul and Dylan all played well.  Kevin always seems to be in control of his game and knows how to take advantage of matchups.  Paul didn't put up big numbers and was in a bit of foul trouble, but continues to improve.  I continue to be happy that Jeremy K and Dylan are doing a good job of letting the game come to them and take what it gives you.  Dylan didn't shoot much so he wasn't forcing and Jeremy scored when opportunity was there.   Jeremy S hit some big threes especially when Hood was making a run late in the second half.  Good win today.  Defend the home court this week.  Go Spartans!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: spartanfan13 on February 04, 2010, 09:28:54 AM
York wins a big one last night. They trailed most of the game and were not making many shots.  It kind of reminded me of their win over Gettysburg where they pulled out a victory at the end of the game.  With the victory, the Spartans can now look forward to another big one on saturday against Salisbury. Once again we need to defend our house. 
Nick Brady struggled with his shot last night, but came up with some huge points down the stretch.  Even though Paul had a double double and a tremendous rebound at the end, i thought that Kevin and Jeremy K were the keys to this win.  Kevin is so quick up the court when he gets a defensive rebound and creates lots of scoring chances.  He also exploits matchups as evidenced by his beatiful jumper out of the timeout late in the game that gave us a little breathing room.  He and Nick are great compliments to each other.  Jeremy K didn't miss many shots (one of the few last night) and seemed energized out of the halftime locker room.  He wanted the ball and then created nice opportunities for himself.  Jeremy S struggled with his shot. Matt Moley didn't have one of his better games.  Dylan did a solid job on defense and kept #42 in check.
Was a huge win as we fight for playoff position.  Saturday is just as big.  Let's not get too far ahead of ourselves and follow the cliche  "one game at a time"  Go Spartans!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 06, 2010, 06:17:31 PM
The York College-Salisbury University doubleheader is now going to be played on Monday evening. The women's game kicks off the action at 6:00 pm followed by the men's game at eight. Both games will play large roles in determining playoff seedings for the upcoming CAC tournament. Also, all CAC games scheduled for Wednesday, February 10 will now be played on Thursday, February 11 as announced by the conference office earlier today.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: huskiect on February 06, 2010, 08:57:06 PM
Good post, I heard the game between York and Marymount on the radio. That was a big win for York and a needed win. They need to hold serve on thier home court. I may get to see the York St Mary's game on the 20th.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: spartanfan13 on February 09, 2010, 05:01:26 PM
I said once before that it is difficult picking the POY when you only see opposing players once a season, but I can't imagine anyone playing much better than Nick Brady right now.  Last night he carried us, like he has done numerous times this year.  Some of the 3 pointers he made last night were made from way beyond the arc.  If I thought his game was just shooting, that would be one thing, but he also an awesome rebounder.  The desire he shows on the court is so much fun to watch.  He usually has the other teams best defender(s) on him, but he creates his own shot and is really quick off the dribble.

I admit to YCP bias, but Nick Brady has led YCP to a much better season than I expected.  He has my vote for POY (even though it doesn't mean much). 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: spartanfan13 on February 09, 2010, 05:18:38 PM
Want to give kudos to some of the other Spartans for last nights win over Salisbury.  Palmer was hitting everything last night and he has killed the Spartans through the years.  Two years ago he came to York in the CAC tournament as the #8 seed and upset the #1 seed Spartans.  It was the last game of Chad McGowan's career and left Chad just a few points short of being the all time leading scorer at YCP.  Dylan Hoffman played good prevent defense on him even though he had 25 points.  He had those points on only about 10 shots.  Dylan wasn't letting him get all of the shots he would have liked. Dylan also hit some shots and I think it was his best game that I've seen him play.  Mitch Kemp also hit a couple big threes and played some quality minutes.  Kevin's shot wouldn't fall last night but he was playing hard and hitting foul shots when we needed them down the stretch.  Paul and Jeremy were both steady.  Jeremy S didn't shoot much because they played tough defense on him and he didn't have any good looks, it was good that he didn't force.  Matt M played his usual steady game.  I'd like to feel that we should handle Gallaudet, but even when we had our really good teams a few years back, we've had some real battles down there.  If we take them for granted, we'll get beat.  Still need to prove we can win on the road.  Last night was another big one.  Go spartans!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CACsportsnut on February 11, 2010, 06:00:17 PM
I might have to agree with you spartan fan. There have been a lot of great seasons by alot of guys so far in this league (i.e. Griffen, Altmann, Franz, Palmer, Ammoury) but Brady might have my vote as well. But as you said, ours do not matter.

Looking orward to an exciting end to a great season. The CAC is so deep. Where do they rank with the other conferences in the region?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: spartanfan13 on February 14, 2010, 10:03:51 AM
York loses to Mary Wash yesterday ending their unbeaten home court streak.  Credit must go to Mary Wash.  I may not like the way Coach Woods has a tendency to rant and rave, but he had a game plan and his team ready to play.  He slowed the game down using as much of the 35 second play clock on each possession.  It looked like he was giving it to his players if they shot early in the clock.  i do believe this through York out of their ryhthm, even though they were pushing it up the court when they had the chance.  Mary Wash started by hitting 3 pt shots took the early lead and played their game.  Kudos to them on being well prepared.

That being said, Nick didn't shoot well.  Some credit for that has to go to #5.  Good defense, although I have seen Nick beat good defense all year.  Kevin was making up for Nick's off day and kept us in the game.  Dylan's ankle injury affected our depth down the stretch and even though Jeremy K played one of his best games of the year, I have to question the last shot.  We come out of a timeout with 3 seconds left and down by 3. Coach Gamber has all of 4 of our 3 point shooters in along with Jeremy K.  Why wasn't Jeremy taking the ball out of bounds?  Instead everyone else is guarded tightly and Jeremy has ball and open look.  Can't fault him for shooting, but I wish any one of the other 4 players on the floor took that shot.
In any case the road just got more difficult.  Spartans finish regular season with 3 road games. Time to win them away.  Go Spartans!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CACsportsnut on February 24, 2010, 07:29:37 AM
Questions regarding the tournament?

If st. Mary's does not win the CAC tournament are they a lock for NAAA's anyways?
Is York the only other team in the conference up for an at large if they do not win the conference title, and if so how good is there chance of an at large if they do not win conference's
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: spartanfan13 on February 24, 2010, 07:45:52 AM
I believe that St Marys is a lock whether they win the tournament or not.  I think York has a chance if they make it to the final.  They'll have 20 wins and a nice regional ranking.   York has been good at home, but they will need to be on their game to beat Wesley. Because they haven't beaten many good teams on the road and were just beaten handily by St Marys on Saturday, you have to believe that St Marys would be a big favorite in the final if they both make it.  York will be rooting for Marymount tomorrow night and hope they can handle their end of the deal.  I think the season ends for York tomorrow if they lose to Wesley.  I also think the key to tomorrow nights game is Kevin Whaley.  He has been playing super lately and will take a lot of pressure off Nick Brady if that continues.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 24, 2010, 08:18:25 AM
St. Mary's is probably safe... even if they lose. But... as they learned last year when they lost in the semi's and didn't make the tournament with what seemed like maybe a better resume than this year, they just need to go and win.

As for York... I would be a bit nervous if I was them. If they don't win the AQ, they are going to be sitting on a very small bubble - especially if they are any upsets of teams that are a lock to make the NCAA Tournament (and you know there will be upsets). If they lose, York will have a 17-7 record or 18-7 IN REGION record (overall doesn't matter) with a SOS of about .507 which currently ranks 158 in the nation (according to our data on D3hoops.com: http://www.d3hoops.com/salem/10/sos.htm). They are projected in the Pool C (http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=4232.msg1180317#msg1180317) chat room as the 22nd Pool C team... three spots OUT of the tournament without upsets!

I think if St. Mary's wins this conference, this is a one-bid conference. If they lose, the CAC could have two bids.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CACsportsnut on February 24, 2010, 08:33:26 AM
Well if that is the case then York better come with their A game because Wesley has been playing great basketball lately. Would love to see to teams from the CAC get in.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: spartanfan13 on February 26, 2010, 06:58:48 AM
York loses last night and Nick Brady and Jeremy Keefer's careers come to an end.  You have to give credit to Wesley as they shot the lights out.  They were quiker to loose balls and had numerous offensive rebounds that killed us.  We were a step behind them and they definitely deserved to win this one.  CACsportsnut hit the nail on the head when he said that they are playing great basketball lately.  If they play like that on Saturday, St. Marys will have their hands full.

York will look forward to next year, but without Nick leading the way it will be tough.  Hoping Julian Watson and Andrew Pawlyk get back to form.  Also would love to get a true center.  Didn't see enough of 6'9" Jake Markle this year to know if he can develop into one.  Wish Nick, Jeremy, Wid good luck in the future.  Thanks for a season that exceeded expectations.

On a final note, when will league awards be announced?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: huskiect on February 27, 2010, 09:27:31 AM
Does a true center lend itself to Yorks style of play? It seems to me that they want a solid 4/5 combo that can run the floor and rebound. When I look at York's end of year there is only one thing that I see. Note I did not see the games but looking at the stat sheets they were killed on the boards. Do not just mention Brady and scoring, he actually was the second leading rebounder on a team that appears not to do that well. I think they can fill the void on scoring as Whaley becomes the go to guy but they need to get some players in that attack the glass.
Title: Its March and this board is dead!
Post by: Flintstone203 on March 03, 2010, 11:54:57 PM
How about Nick Brady winning POY? That came as a surprise to me...Griffin really should have won. I think Franz was a close second along with Brady.

And how about Wesley earning an at-large bid! HUGE for the conference!

St. Mary's is hosting the first and second rounds for the first time in school history on friday. They play Purchase College at 8 pm
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 04, 2010, 03:40:51 PM
Don't forget, final three-plus hours to enter the D3hoops.com bracket challenge.

You have extra time for the women's bracket, since the first game isn't until 4 p.m. ET on Friday.

http://www.d3hoops.com/pickem/
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CACsportsnut on March 04, 2010, 06:54:43 PM
Camonte Griffen had an amazing year, Led his team to a 24-3 record, won a CAC regular season and CAC title. Led the conference in scoring and really was just temendous. While he was very deserving of POY I feel Nick Brady was not all that much of a suprise either. I felt it would be one of those two. Brady was second in the conference in scoring, first in FT% and 3PM, eighth in rebounding. More importantly though I think is how his teamed went from 7-19, 8-18? to 19-7 and on the fringe of a NCAA birth. I am sure it was a close race but I congratulate Nick and all other all-conference selection, and wish Camonte luck in the tournament. Wesley also. Let's bring the bronze and walnut back to the CAC.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: spartanfan13 on March 05, 2010, 08:28:39 AM
Don't want to argue about Camontae Griffin vs Nick Brady because I didn't see Griffin play enough.  I did see Nick play and improve tremendously during his career.  At the beginning of the season, I would have been happy if York played over .500 and got their young guys significant playing time.  In other words, a rebuilding year.  Because of Nick, we just missed an NCAA playoff spot.  Each and every game it looked to me that the opposing team's gameplan was to stop Nick.  What I liked most was the fact that he wasn't just a shooter. I believe that rebounding is mostly desire (although being big doesn't hurt) and Nick is a great rebounder.  If there was a loose ball anywhere in the area he got it.  He also realized how important it was to get stronger and spent lots of time in the weight room.  He made himself a much better player.  I hope his approach made an impression on the young kids and they see that hard work pays off. 

It is easy to be cautiously optimistic about York for next year.  However, replacing Nick is going to be very difficult. By all accounts he is a good kid and hopes to keep playing the game he loves.  I wish him the best and want to thank him for all he has meant to YCP basketball.  Congrats on the POY because I think it was well deserved.  It has been this  fans pleasure watching Nick play the last 4 years.  Best of luck.

Good luck to St Marys and Wesley in the tournament.  Go CAC!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Flintstone203 on March 07, 2010, 06:45:48 PM
St Marys punched their ticket to their second Sweet-16 in the last three years with a huge win over Va-Weselyan last night in front of a PACKED house. After a 30 point route of SUNY-Purchase on friday in front of a record crowd the Seahawk momentum kept rolling forward! Maryland's first capital was alive like it hasnt been since Lord Calvert docked The Dove in 1846 claiming the land "SEAHAWK NATION" only to have it renamed by Gov. Dorchester three years later!

The game had the feel of a heavy-weight title bout with two of the best teams in the country going head to head. Weselyn knocked off last years nat'l runner up Richard Stockton the night before and carried their confidence onto saturday but st marys held strong and took it to the ODAC once again. St. Marys is doing a great job representing the CAC hopefully they can keep it going all the way to Salem....which also goes down Route-5 as the hawks were selected to host the next 2 rounds.  St. Marys will play franklin and marshall Friday at 8. Randolph-Macon and Desales will match up on the other side of the bracket at 6.

Hale the Hawks.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 07, 2010, 09:05:12 PM
If the gym was PACKED for an opening round game, will I need to make sure I have a ticket for a Sweet 16/Elite 8 game before I drive 4 miles?
Title: St. Mary's vs Franklin and Marshall-Friday at 8
Post by: Flintstone203 on March 07, 2010, 11:45:15 PM
Tickets could be availible at the door, but if Seahawk Nation comes out in full force again who nows what can happen, it might be hard to find seating or get in the gym. It was hard to hear anything the final few minutes...an elderly man had an eardrum burst late in the second half of Saturdays game causing a slight delay.

Hail the Hawks.
Title: Re: St. Mary's vs Franklin and Marshall-Friday at 8
Post by: jams0325 on March 08, 2010, 06:22:19 PM
Quote from: Flintstone203 on March 07, 2010, 11:45:15 PM
Tickets could be availible at the door, but if Seahawk Nation comes out in full force again who nows what can happen, it might be hard to find seating or get in the gym. It was hard to hear anything the final few minutes...an elderly man had an eardrum burst late in the second half of Saturdays game causing a slight delay.

Hail the Hawks.

First of all...neither night was a packed house. Seating capacity is 1,200 and the first night drew 1,053 fans and the second night drew 871. With that said, I would expect this grouping of teams (and fan bases) to get to capacity this weekend. Each team will have their pre-determined allotment of tickets by tomorrow to sell in advance - so I would recommend those interested in attending to buy them from the school that they support rather than wait for general sales. It may not get to general sales this weekend if the crowds are going to be there as expected.
Secondly, as someone who was at St. Mary's for the entire weekend, at no point did anyone alert someone on staff of a medical situation in which someone's eardrum burst - and there was no delay in the game caused by such an event. The media timeouts on the other hand are an entirely different story!  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on March 08, 2010, 09:44:53 PM
Good luck to St. Mary's this weekend. Certainly getting to play at home where they haven't lost all season is a huge edge. Good luck and represent the CAC!
Title: Re: St. Mary's vs Franklin and Marshall-Friday at 8
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 09, 2010, 10:11:13 AM
Quote from: Flintstone203 on March 07, 2010, 11:45:15 PM
Tickets could be availible at the door, but if Seahawk Nation comes out in full force again who nows what can happen, it might be hard to find seating or get in the gym. It was hard to hear anything the final few minutes...an elderly man had an eardrum burst late in the second half of Saturdays game causing a slight delay.

Hail the Hawks.
Flintstone - I was on hand has well for the entire weekend... saw nothing that you speak of... and any "delays" were all based on media timeouts - including the "extra" ones that shouldn't have been in there! (Having fun with those I know reading this who are in-the-know  ;))
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: jams0325 on March 09, 2010, 11:08:44 AM
d-mac:

Tell that to the officiating crews.... >:(
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 09, 2010, 11:27:13 AM
LOL - I actually did try via the NCAA rep at the game... he agreed on the rule... but still the buzzer sounded! :)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: jams0325 on March 09, 2010, 03:52:53 PM
SMCM should fire their clock operator then...he obviously doesn't know what he is doing!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: jams0325 on March 09, 2010, 04:03:13 PM
Just spoke with someone "in the know" at SMCM...they sold out of their allotment of 600 tickets in less than five hours today. Should be interesting down there on Friday evening.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 09, 2010, 04:25:30 PM
How is that SMCM had 600 tickets to sell and F&M received 200?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 09, 2010, 04:30:50 PM
I have always been suspect of the clock operator at SMC! :)

And reserved seat... I believe the home team ALWAYS gets more of the tickets allotted to them in the tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 09, 2010, 04:33:32 PM
This will certainly add more fuel to the discussion on the location of the game, even though we've heard enough.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: jams0325 on March 09, 2010, 05:01:22 PM
Reserved Seat:

Host institutions get half of the seating in the arena. The other half is split equally by the three traveling teams. With an arena of 1,200 like at SMCM - SMCM gets 600 tickets while the other three teams split the other 600 (600/3 = 200 each). Winners on Friday will get 600 each for Saturday, unless SMCM advances. If that happens, SMCM gets 2/3 (800) as the host, while the other team would get 1/3 (400). All of this is outlined in the championship manual.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 09, 2010, 05:34:02 PM
And it was the same rule that F&M benefited from when hosting sectionals.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CACsportsnut on March 17, 2010, 11:28:10 PM
Congratulations first off to Wesley on a stellar representation of the CAC in the Tournament, and also to St. Mary's on a great run as well.

Also congratulations to all members of the all-conference selections, and the player, rookie, and coach of the year.

More congratulations on a personal level to Brandon Altmann and Camonte Griffen on their D3Hoops 1st Team All Mid-Atlantic Region accolades. Also congrats to Nick Brady and Alex franz, who received 2nd Team and 3rd team, respectively.

Camonte Griffen and Alex Franz were both named NABC 2nd team All Mid-Atlantic Region as well, and Nick Brady was named a NABC first teamer for the Mid-Atlantic Region. Lastly, Nick Brady was also named a NABC 3rd team All American. Congratulations guys, well deserved accolades. You have represented the CAC very well.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: watcher on April 06, 2010, 05:58:48 PM
lets get this board started..........whats everyone preview for next year with what all the teams are looking like next year and who we think will come away title. WIll it be St marys again or someone else. Also who think will be player of the year. all conference and coach of the year. Finally any news on any transfer or good recruits coming in
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: TheGrove on May 03, 2010, 02:08:06 PM
Congrats to former Marymount head coach Chuck Driesell for being named head coach at The Citadel!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: lizalan07 on June 22, 2010, 09:34:32 PM
I see that the coach from Hood college has signed 3 new players, all within the last 4 weeks. It's a wonder that he can find available players so close to the start  of the next academic school year.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 22, 2010, 10:19:07 PM
Division III rules prohibit schools from publicizing incoming student-athletes until they have paid their deposit. Depending on the timeline each school has for registration and payments, you may well not see announcements until June.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ronk on June 22, 2010, 11:25:32 PM
Pat,
  Thanks for the info; it seems like I've seen these announcements anywhere from May to September over the years. Is there a website where we can see any other D3 rules/procedures regarding recruiting/admissions/aid/etc.?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CACsportsnut on August 06, 2010, 05:03:15 PM
Word is that 2 seniors from this past year in the CAC will be continueing their basketball careers.

Greg Palmer from Salisbury will be playing in Seattle for the Mountaineers of the American Basketball Association (ABA)

Nick Brady from York College will be traveling to Iceland to continue his career.

I wish both the best of luck.

Has anyone heard of any other players continueing their careers, I.e. Brandon Altmann or Camonte Griffen?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on September 11, 2010, 09:54:53 PM
What about the dude from Wesley heading into the ABA?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: huskiect on October 08, 2010, 09:32:26 PM
Season;s first days of practice will soon be upon us. Any report on teams?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Captain Dad on October 15, 2010, 08:48:42 PM
Heard some rumors that CNU may find itself in the CAC; if that happens, the ct huskie and family might be seeing some familiar faces when CNU visits York
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 15, 2010, 10:09:55 PM
http://d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2010/09/29/conference-shuffle-drifts-south/
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: purpleheart22 on November 13, 2010, 08:33:13 PM
ok so this board has been dead for some time now.  with the pride of md tourney starting up this week. Lets make some predictions.  I heard st marys just beat Bowie St in an exhibition game last week so i think they are probably the favorite to take the pride title for a 3rd straight year.  I also hear Salisbury has added a transfer from College Park but they lose alot with the graduation of devin jones and greg palmer who is playing professionally in the ABA down in Louisianna however u spell it.  Stevenson gets Greg Woody back still not seeing alot out of them this year.  Havent heard anything as of yet with Frostburg, but with the unfortunate death of one of their players last year I dont think they landed any recruits.  Goucher, Washington College, Johns Hopkins and Mcdaniel I dont know anything about their programs but Hopkinds is probably the only legitimate contender out of that pack considering the past years records. I know they arent in the CAC but has anybody heard anything about any of those guys?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: purpleheart22 on November 17, 2010, 12:24:48 AM
Hood beats Goucher, Frostburg beats Mcdaniel, St. Mary's beats Johns Hopkins in tonights Pride of Maryland matchups.  Not surprising at all.  Washington College plays Stevenson tomorrow.  Centennial Conference is 0-2 against the CAC good start for these guys.  Stevenson needs to keep it going for the CAC tomorrow but i wouldnt be shocked if they got aired out they are not very good and i dont think they brought it in much to build on their 2 win season from last year which those 2 wins were against Galluadet.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CACsportsnut on November 20, 2010, 02:24:25 PM
I do one every year, and am a little late on this one, so I kind of have a cheating edge I guess since the season is one, even two games old for some teams. Ill give a preview of the teams (not like I am an expert or anything, or that anyone truly ejoys what I say), and I'll also give some predictions. Usually it atleast livens up the board a little bit.

Frostburg State - The newcombers to the CAC, I really do not know too much about them. They were 17-9 last year, which on paper looks great, but when you look at the teams played, the strength of schedule is not as impressive as the record. They stand at 2-0 right now with wins over teams that had rough years last year in Stevenson and McDaniel. The real test will be today against St. Marys. However, they return 3 of their 4 leading scorers last year in Brian Anderson, Steven Ogg, and Mhabhushah Koffa. Their leading scorer so far this year however is Jamal bracken, coming in at nearly 15 points an outing. They seem to be able to score accross the board. Howver, with Anderson, Ogg and Koffa all being seniors, if they are to make some noise in this heavily stacked CAC, 10-11 may be the best year to make some for Frosturg.

Hood - This is a sleeper team of mine. They had a very good season last year, and i believe they are really ready to make a run at this thing. Tyler Snoots has blossomed into a bigman that on any night can get you 20 and 10. Tory Wilson is an offensive rebounding machine, and sophomore Justin Stone is ready to breakout. However, I feel their key is heir guard play. Brendan Straughn is a seasoned player now, and Reco Siler is one of the best perimeter defenders in the conference. Cameron Cook is a freshman who can shoot it, and so faris making an impact on this team. Their defense is smothering, as always with a Tom Dickman Team, and Fort Deitrich is not an easy place to play. If they can put points on the board easier then last season, this could be a team that suprises ALOT of people.

Marymount - This is a team that has a much different look then last year. First thing you notice when they take the floor is Tarek Ammoury (4th in the CAC in scoring last year) is gone. He had a super sophomore year, and looked like a player of the year canidate in the making. However, as stated, he is no longer a Marymount Saint. Big men Sam Sentz and Elvis Ellis are gone, as are guards Patrick Prewitt and Ronnie Barbour. The team is lead by seniors Bryan Debruin and Stephen Simoneau. Debruin is a do everything guard, who will provide the Saints will alot of leadership and blue-cllar play. He will rebound, handle the ball, defend. But can he score mid teens for them? Same thing with Simoneau. Can he put the ball in the basket for Marymount. If not, one of the 9 incoming freshman will need to look to make an impact very early or this Marymount team could fall in this thick conference early. However, making a trip to Marymount is never a shoe-in win exactly, as they have one of the best student sections in the CAC.

Mary Washington - 2 time 1st Team CAC member (to say the least) Brandon Altmann has left. And he leaves some 6'10...big shoes to fill. He produced 19 points and 10 rebounds a game for Mary Washington, and gave them a workhorse to lean on every night. Also gone is Eric Rolander, who was a great producer in the backlight of Altmann. Instead of the bigs, Rod Wood will return back to the old Fitzgerald, Hale, Lee days and rely on his guard play. Rocky Ullah, Quaiser Ahmed, Ryan Farrar will bolster most of the load in the backcourt. Ullah is a quick playmaker, Ahmed has a knack for getting to the charity stripe, and Farrar is a great perimeter defender. The outlier is how does Tad Dickman play? He is a Greg Palmer 2.0 in my mind. A guard/forward who can do it all, as seen in game one, with 20 and 10. If he can continue this production, Mary Washington will be a dangerous team.

Salisbury - Another sleeper team. They lose Greg Palmer, a smooth, versatile shooter who has taken his game to the ranks of the ABA. He was a stud for years for Salisbury, and was someone who could always be counted on for his concistency. Devin Jones is gone. The quick, sharpshooting point guard has graduated, and between him and Palmer have left nearly 30 points on the table to be picked up. Who will do it? Chris McGrew is in the elite big man status in the CAC, with the Snoots, Reynolds, etc. If he can remain out of foul trouble, he will prove this in this season. Mike Maczko was second in the league in rebounding, and is an interior body that can step out an knock down the jumper, or provide extra ball handling. What guards will step up? Mike Atkins is a guard who can knock it down from way outside, and David Pearman is a long athletic guard who has shown some signs of being able to hit the open jumper as well. But I feel the success relies on Maczko and McGrew. If they can dominate the inside, Salisbury will be very very tough to deal with.

St. Mary's - It is tough to imagine losing the conferences leading scorer and still becoming a better team the following campaign. Camonte Griffen averaged 22 points a game, and scored 1,000 points in 2 seasons at St. Mary's. A 2-time 1st team all CAC selection, he will be missed in more ways then just scoring. He was a tough player, who defended, handled the ball, and led by example for a successful Seahawks team who went deep into the NCAA's in both his years there. How is St. Mary's a better team you ask? For starters, Alex Franz. The most versatile player in the conference, he averaged 13 points, 6 rebounds, 5 assists, and 4 steals last season. He is a crafty, clever, and smooth leader for a successful team since he arrived on campus. He is loaded with weapons around him too. Sam Burum is a big man who is athletic, long, and a very solid all around player. They are loaded at the guards with players who have experience in big games. James Davenport and Chris Hutchinson are solid defenders who can also put some points on th board. Devin Spencer can knock down the 3. And it is great for St Mary's to welcome back Mikey Fitzpatrick, who is as good a shooter as they come by in the CAC. If they can find another big man to step up, the sweet 16 is once again expected, and more is attainable.

Stevenson - Rough season last year. With 2 wins, and both being against a strggling Gallaudett team, it was obviously a rough season. However, they have reason to grin. Welcome back Greg Woody, a quick, strong, hard working point guard who can take this league by storm like he did 2 yes ago. Woody can shoot it, get to the rack, pull up, and score any which way inbetween those 2 ways mentioned. It iwll be interesting to see how the year off either helpe, or hurt him. I am guessing helped. Danny Murhpy is a future stud in this conference. he is a long, athletic forward with a motor that never stops. He is a future 1st teamer in this conference. Brett Burrier is a kid who can really shoot the ball, and at 6'6 he can get it off over almost anyone. Coach Adams has a few solid pieces. Now if he can fill in around those, 2 wins will be what he has most likely within the first hand full of games this season.

Wesley - The most dangerous team in the CAC for many reasons. Their players, their style of play, their home court, their defense, etc. Wesley returns basically everyone. Paul Reynolds, the reigning CAC Player of the Year is the premier bigman now that Brandon Altmann is gone in the CAC. He is a strong, yet agile big who can put the ball on the deck and make a play, or knock down the open jumper. Rudy Thomas is the leader of the bunch, with a smooth lefty stroke from outside. Kevin Johnson is a player who can score in bunches, and Chris Douglas proved with his 22 point out-burst that he is the same way. Kyan Andrews gives this high scoring team another scoring punch. Darrel Johnson is a former D1 player at Delaware U, and was a standout in highschool. He could burst on the scene very quickly and loudly. With the versatility of this team, and the speed and athleticism of their players, Wesley could be the team to steal St. Mary's thunder.

York - Same deal as St. Mary's. How can you lose the CAC Player of the year and All-American and become a better team? York waves goodbye to Nick Brady, who takes his game to Iceland to play at the professional level. The deep ranged, hard nosed, scoring machine will be missed, but York has plenty of players ready to step in and fill the void. Kevin Whaley was very impressive last year. And the senior has started this season off with a bang. Julian Watson, the CAC Rookie of the Year in 08-09 returns after a year off. As does their starting center Andrew Pawlyk and reserve forward Todd Macjeweiski who missed either most, or all of last year with injury. However, the key lies in Paul Kouvaris and Jeremy Skoloda. Will these two be able to score double digits every night to go along with Whaley's points? The blessing for York is, if they are not, others will. York may be the deepest team in the CAC, with a 23 man roster. Other such as Dylan Hoffman, Matt Moley, and Mitch Kemp are also players who received playing time last year and are ready to let themselves be heard. If this team can blend their talent and numbers together, they too, like Wesley, will be ready to defy St. Mary's at the top of the CAC conference.


Predictions:

1.) St. Mary's
2.) York
3.) Wesley
4.) Salisbury
5.) Hood
6.) Mary Washington
7.) Frostburg State
8.) Stevenson
9.) Marymount

1st team All Conference -

Alex Franz - St. Mary's
Kevin Whaley - York
Rudy Thomas - Wesley
Paul Reynolds - Wesley
Chris McGrew - Salisbury

2nd team All Conference -

Greg Woody - Stevenson
Tad Dickman - Mary Washington
Paul Kouvaris - York
Tyler Snoots - Hood
Mike Maczko - Salisbury

Player of the Year -

Franz (St. Mary's) Whaley (York) or Reynolds (Wesley)

Coach of the Year -

Jerry Kobasa (Wesley) or Jeff Gamber (York)

Rookie of the Year -

Cameron Cook (Hood)

I am sure this will bring likes and dislikes. More then anything hough hopefully it brings this board to life!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: purpleheart22 on November 20, 2010, 07:04:28 PM
CACSportsNut, thanks for your post i was beginning to think i was going to be the only one posting this year.  Nice general breakdown of all the teams. I just want to piggyback on some of ur pics and add my own observations from what i have been able to see so far throughout the beginning of the season.

Frostburg- they have had an easy route to the Pride of Md. championship beating Mcdaniel and Stevenson.  However tonite they go up against a St. Marys team who looked very impressive last night with the defeat of Hood.  They are a middle of the pack CAC team they will split with a few teams but wont be able to defeat York, Wesley, and St Marys even with that horrific drive up to the mountains that can be a good homecourt advantage for them.

Hood- They had some spurts last night that made them ok but i dont see them in the top 3 teams of the CAC.  Snoots will be a force to be reckoned with and Straughn should have a breakout year but they need other guys to step up and and take some of the load off of those guys.  I like the freshman from Calvert Hall they have though he can give them a spark off the bench.  I pick them to finish 4th in the regular season maybe winning a playoff game.

Marymount- I have no idea what Marymount has to offer but Hopefully Chris Rogers brought in some talent with those 9 new guys.  Its not hard to get anybody into Marymount so recruiting should be alot easier for him as opposed to F & M.  Armoury was a good player but u could tell he was a bit of a cancer to the rest of the team.  Only time will tell what these guys will bring to the table.

Mary Washington- Much like Marymount they are bringing in alot of new guys and will only be able to see how they all fit in and play with each other.  Altmann was a monster and will be sincerely missed coach Wood may need to get back to the run and gun style of old when he had some star studded guards.  Hopefully they build on that disappointing season from last year and grab some solid CAC wins.

Salisbury- They have a legit 4 and 5 with Maczko and Mcgrew but there is no way they replaced the scoring and leadership of Palmer and Jones.  SU is always a tough matchup but they never seem to get over the hump of actually being a good team.  They should make the playofs but wont advance out of the first round.Even with the UMD transfer i pick them to finish 5th in the league not being able to win against Wesley York and St Marys but they will beat all the middle of the pack teams  splitting with Hood, Frostburg, and marymount.

St. Mary's-  They looked very impressive last night with a 17 point win against Hood.  They have 2 legit post players in Burum and Frshmen McCauley who had 9 blocks last night and may be the frontrunner for rookiyear from what i have seen so far.  They return Mikey Fitzpatrick a sharp shooting 6'6 wing and have 4th team Preseaseason All American Alex Franz running the point.  They dont even lose any offense when they go to the bench with Davenport, Jarzynski, Hutchinson, and newcomer Deon Queen a transfer from juc.  Some of the kids that play on their bench could easily start on any other CAC team from their high school playing days.  They are def. the deepest team in the league and the biggest.  Should be a repeat of last year if not better.  This may the year they make it past the sweet sixteen

Stevenson- They will be better than last year but thats not saying much.  Having Greg Woody back is a great step in them impriving but they just are not deep and once conference play starts they will be near the bottom.  Danny Murphy has some potential but compared to the other big men in this league he can not hold his own.  Woody will not be able to do it all himself even though he will try.  I give them 5 wins this year and not making the playoffs.

Wesley- Should be very tough as usual and will be at the top with St. Marys and York.  If history proves true they will beat York and face St. Mary's in the championship game i just dont think York has the athletes to beat them.  Hopefully Reynolds lost weight and improved over the summer and not carry on his Rick Ross persona.  If he did slim up he will be very tough to stop and a match up nightmare for everybody.  They are alot like Marymount in being able to get anybody in their school so bringing in talent will never be an issue for them.  Its getting those guys to buy into their system and play together which shouldnt be so hard bc they run the Kentucky dribble drive system which any playerthat can play would love to be a part of.  They will be fun to watch to say the least.  I see them losing maybe 3 games in the league

York- This should be a very tough team as always with pg Julian back they are a different and with Whaley and Paul being solid guys they are def a team that can beat anybody on any given night.  I dont know who they brought in but they are a top 3 team and will lose a game or 2 to some middle of the pack teams and may split with either Wesley or St. Marys. 

Overall this is a much better league than years past especially now that Gallaudet is gone.  Im sure every team will be glad to not have to go to that place anymore.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: purpleheart22 on November 21, 2010, 08:51:38 PM
Stevenson won another close game last night with Greg Woody nailing a shot at the buzzer to give them the win in the 3rd place game of the Pride of Md tourney against Dickman's Hood College. They have already matched their win total from last year congrats to them this is a great start for those guys.  Also in the Pride of MD championship game Frostburg defeated reigning 2 time champion St Mary's in what was a very ugly and sloppy game.  Both teams shot the ball very poorly but Frostburg was able to take it in the end.  I would say this is a very big upset as St Mary's was ranked #11 in the nation and instead looked more like 111th.  Way to many turnovers from senior Alex Franz i think he had 9. Their size was not a problem for Frostburg bc they were easily getting rebound after rebound and if Frostburg would have made their layups the game wouldnt have even been close.  I saw Salisbury won the tournament they played in this weekend making them 2-1. York won as their tourney as well.  CAC looking  to be a tough conference this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 22, 2010, 10:56:31 AM
Yes... SMC's lose was an upset, but they are still a Top 25 team. They certainly struggled with a very good defensive effort from Frostburg, but I also think SMC took the game for granted before the ball even got thrown up. From what I was told, and I didn't see it since I was busy getting ready to broadcast the game, during warm-ups Coach Harney actually took the team outside the gym to see if the cool air would wake them up.

SMC is going to be dangerous:
- Franz did not play like himself against Frostburg and seemed to be trying to hard. He tends to learn very quickly from his mistakes from game to game, so expect to see him figure this out soon.
- Burum is still very tough inside, but needs to get comfortable getting physical with guys. He tended to go to the mid-range baby hook too many times.
- Spencer needs to learn when he is an option and when he is hot and when he should just help execute the offense. His defense was also a bit suspect. However, he is a very talented player who has a great outside shot when he is on. It will make defense gamble on whether to closely guard Franz or not.
- Fitzpatrick is back and that's a good thing... IF he plays within himself. He seemed to be trying to hard this weekend... trying to make up for lost time last season... trying to score on every play. If he just plays within himself and the offense, he is going to be a great option for Franz or Burum when and if they are double-teamed.
- MacAuley is going to be dangerous. He is a freshman who showed signs of Junior like ability. He can block shots and play very good defense. He also has an incredible touch when he shoots from anywhere within 15 feet of the basket. He just needs to bulk up a bit (but what freshman doesn't) and learn how to get physical.

They also have other threats off the bench that are clearly going to give the starters breaks. Franz actually saw plenty of minutes on the bench this weekend... giving the other guys plenty of experience.

As for a quick note on Frostburg... very impressed. This squad has been through a lot since last season and they showed a lot of determination this weekend. Coach Hatch certainly had his team prepared against St. Mary's with a very aggressive and athletic defense ... and were not afraid of playing SMC's game of keeping up the pace. Frostburg is going to make waves in the CAC in their first year... probably in the top four (along with SMC, York, and Wesley).
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: purpleheart22 on November 22, 2010, 01:12:57 PM
Although it was a great win for Frostburg i still cant say i was impressed with their performance.  I got to see them play against Stevenson as well this past wknd.  They missed a ton of easy baskets and yes they stepped it up defensively against SMCM but I think SMCM just missed open shots and had alot of unforced turnovers.  However if Frostburg plays that hard all year long they will win some games. They have to shoot the ball better though u cant consistently miss layups iin this league and expect to win. Are there any games going on before thanksgiving for CAC teams?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ronk on November 22, 2010, 09:55:10 PM
 Catholic hosting Frostburg tomorrow nite
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 24, 2010, 06:32:24 AM
Almost no one shot well during the Pride of Maryland. I kept rolling my eyes at the shooting percentages, especially from the free-throw line (can't remember anyone shooting above the high-60's from the line). So while Frostburg may not have impressed... and SMCM certainly missed plenty of shots, it wasn't something different in the tournament.

One reason I heard for the bad shooting was the fact that the defenses for most of the games was very good (even Goucher who went 0-3 played much better defense then in years past). I chalk it up to possibly being the new gym. The sight-lines are very different with more room then normal behind the baskets. I am not saying the gym is to blame, but there may be an adjustment period even for Stevenson.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: purpleheart22 on November 24, 2010, 12:08:45 PM
D Mac since u do the games for Goucher maybe you may have some insight on this issue.  Why are they sooooo bad nowadays?  I know that they arent in the CAC nemore but for a Md school right outside of Baltimore they is no reason why they should stink as much as they do.  I remember in the back in the early 2000's when they were unstoppable.  They landed some huge recruits Pierre Jones is a name that pops up instantly.  They have been bad for quite some time now.  Trevino needs to get it together over there.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 24, 2010, 06:02:25 PM
purpleheart22 - that isn't an easy answer to be honest. There are many, many factors that include some that I won't talk about.

However, here are a few that come to mind:
- some of the players that appeared to be successful recruits didn't turn out to be as good at Goucher as expected. Every school gets duds, I think Goucher ran into a few more then usual.
- defensively, the team really struggled in the last few seasons. If you remember when Goucher was at its best in the late '90's and early '00's, their defense was feared. That tough defense led directly to points on the offensive end and lack of points defensively. I usually gauge how well the team will do on the average amount of points they allow... and when I see a number of games over 75 points I get concerned.
This year the defensive is better then I have seen it in a LONG time early on and they haven't allowed more then 72 points in games all on the road.
- Inside pressence... back to those recruiting duds, they have missed the boat on getting some good talent inside. They now have two guys that could get them heading in the right direction, but I would be hard pressed to name a big guy that was a presence to be feared in the paint recently.
- Similar talent - no diversity: Back to recruiting, one frustration I have had that many people know is that many of the players in the last few years have been very simliar in nature and talent. Back in the hey-days there was a good point, good shooter, tough 3-man who usually took on the toughest defensive assignments, a solid 4, and the 5 was big and tough. Then the bench brought in those types of talents as well. The team recently hasn't really had any outside shooting threats, an inside threat, and many players that like to drive with the ball - that makes them an easier team to defend then in the days they were tough to beat.

Some of that is just off the cuff. I know the coaching staff has worked hard to get other type of players on the roster and I know they have made decisions with the roster they feel are in the best interests of the team. An example of that would be this season's roster which is much better defensively - they just have to figure out their shooting woes. I always hope that things will improve in the near future and can return to its days when people didn't like to see Goucher on their schedule - it would also be nice to see the gym full again. (FYI, I think this team has the talent to finish in the middle of the conference...)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: purpleheart22 on November 28, 2010, 08:01:35 PM
Thanks for the insight DMac. Just noticed the score of the St. Mary's F and M game.  Wow thats a huge win for St. Marys and a statement win with that score.  I saw they had a 29 point lead at the half and won by 21 in the final.  Seems like they bounced back from that embarrassing loss to Frostburg in the POM championship. York is on a 2 game losing streak losing to Messiah and Gettysburg.  Mary Wash bounced back won today and Marymount won an ugly game today as well 47-46 that had to be tragic to watch.  Wesley lost to Christopher Newport sat. Newport will be playing St Marys on wed. Just noticed Stevenson beat Salisbury a few days ago as well.  Good for Stevenson getting Greg Woody back has been critical for them. 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: purpleheart22 on December 02, 2010, 12:41:25 PM
Salisbury University lost to Hood college at SU, York beats Wesley, and Mary Washington beats Stevenson. Frostburg beats Marymount in CAC play yesterday.  All the home teams won last night except for Salisbury Univerisity.  In non conference action St. Mary's beat up on another top 25 team defeating Christopher Newport last night.  Your going to have to win ur home games this year in this league...
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CACKnowItAll on December 09, 2010, 01:42:07 PM
Some early observations from the CAC for me-

Mary Washington - Off to a very nice 3-0 start, but I don't believe that they will be at the top for long. York and St. Mary's are just better teams shooting wise.

York - Struggling a little bit with that shooting in the previous few games, and just lost a heartbreak in OT against St. Mary's...I see York finishing as the number 2 team in the conference this year.

St. Mary's - A surprising loss to Frostburg St. in the POM Tourney, but they have played well since then, proving that they aren't overrated. Next game on the 11th against Hood is going to be interesting after easily defeating them in semi's of POM.

Hood - Very inconsistent bunch, but they are off to a 2-1 start nonetheless. The defense hasn't been as good as advertised, especially after last season. I know they have some guys coming off of injuries, and will see how they heal up and do the rest of the season.

Frostburg State - Just fell to Hood in their last match on the road, played very well but gave up the lead late through the 2nd half. Very fast, talented bunch who could make some noise in their 1st year in the CAC. I really like Koffa, quick, agile player.

Wesley - They showed that they can grind it out and come back on the road against Hood when they came back from 16 down in the 2nd half for the W. That was big. Loss to York not surprising. Will be a good game against Stevenson next Tuesday.

Salisbury - Not a very impressive squad this year, and that was expected with the loss of Greg Palmer. You have to win the majority of the games in conference at home to have a chance at the playoffs, so lets see if they can do that. Proved it against Marymount, not against Hood.

Stevenson - Gutsy play out of this team so far of which no one expected anything from. Lost big to St. Mary's, but wasn't expected to compete. Great win against Hood in the POM and also against Salisbury. Woody is a great addition back to the team.

Marymount - Really struggling this season, getting blown out by York and Salisbury. They just don't have the firepower that is needed to compete this season, I see them finishing where they currently are, at the bottom of the standings.

Can't wait until the season continues on!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: huskiect on December 14, 2010, 08:18:52 PM
Good rundown. York let the one against St. Mary's slip away. Re-match at York should be nice.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: purpleheart22 on December 15, 2010, 03:19:34 PM
St. Marys and York seem to be the best 2 teams in that order and the rest of the league is up for grabs except for Marymount and Salisbury. Think they are going to be at the bottom of the league and left out of the playoffs.  The 3rd team out of the playoffs is still up for grabs.  Mary Washington seems to be rolling so far this season.  Big turnaround from last year.  Guess those transfers are working out for them. 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on January 07, 2011, 08:11:50 PM
Tomorrow D3hoops will have an audio broadcast of the St. Mary's/Wesley game from Dover.  Tip off is 4 pm and please click here (http://www.ustream.tv/channel/d3hoops-men-broadcast) to listen.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Teamski on January 17, 2011, 06:15:24 PM
Just came back from the Wesley-St. Marys game. Wow!!  Well done Wolverines!  They kept St Marys out of the paint and committed relatively few mistakes in the face of a daunting defense!  Well done!  95-80.

-Ski
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: huskiect on January 20, 2011, 02:43:55 PM
Hood beats Mary Washington. Things are starting to come in line. Still see St. Mary's as team to beat but York and Wesley are both tough.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 02, 2011, 03:16:19 PM
First Regional Rankings: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2011/02/02/ncaas-mens-regional-rankings/
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: jams0325 on February 03, 2011, 10:53:18 PM
Elizabethtown falls to Messiah tonight, 66-62. Guess the regional rankings will get a shake up next week already.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: jams0325 on February 03, 2011, 11:11:08 PM
I know it is a little ways off still, but the Wesley-St. Mary's contest is setting up to be for the top spot in the region, assuming La Roche fails to win out.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 04, 2011, 12:48:59 PM
jams - consider this... La Roche is near Pittsburgh... meaning they aren't going to really play a factor probably in terms of hosting in the true Mid-Atlantic region... so even if La Roche finishes #1 in the final rankings, Wesley, St. Mary's, CSAC teams will have those opportunities :'(.

But to throw a wrench into it, the Mid-Atlantic teams are also close enough to Atlantic and South Region teams that could be strong enough programs in regional rankings to host themselves, sending teams like SMC, Wesley, F&M, etc. to New Jersey, Virginia, etc. Heck... they could ship F&M to La Roche... (i.e., I don't see SMC hosting two straight weekends like last year... I also am not sure they will even host one due to the fact they can be easily sent to Virginia Wesleyan and Randolph-Macon - Wesley can easily go up to New Jersey).

Way too early to make that kind of prediction with a few more weeks to play and plenty of action to help figure out where everything is... but it is worth considering...
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 26, 2011, 01:55:35 AM
D3hoops.com is partnering with PrestoSports and Ustream to give a pretty cool packaged production for the CAC men's basketball championship game. Read on and tune in!

http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2011/02/cac-championship-game
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ronk on February 26, 2011, 09:34:04 AM
Pat,
In a landmark broadcast for Division III athletics, fans will be able to watch a conference championship game and view live stats all in the same window.
I'm assuming this was intentional. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 26, 2011, 11:31:14 AM
It was written by committee, so I can't take credit for that line.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: watcher on April 05, 2011, 04:55:34 PM
I just want to give my thanks to the seniors at St. Mary's who took a program that had never won a more then 16 games or a conference championship and was seen as a bottom feeder and turned it into a national powerhouse.  That included 3 regular season championship 3 conference championship 3 NCAA appearances 2 sweet 16's 1 elite eight
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 05, 2011, 06:26:03 PM
The Mid-Atlantic Shuffle continues: http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2011/05/stevenson-hood-join-mac
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on October 24, 2011, 11:19:33 AM
Preseason D-3 Hoops ranking: #15   St. Mary's (Md.),   25-6   last season
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 28, 2011, 12:55:59 AM
Quote from: bbald eagle on October 24, 2011, 11:19:33 AM
Preseason D-3 Hoops ranking: #15   St. Mary's (Md.),   25-6   last season
St Mary's MD made the news for something else today...

Maryland School Will Use Cruise Ship As Dorm (http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2011/10/26/maryland-school-will-use-cruise-ship-as-dorm/)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: purpleheart22 on October 31, 2011, 10:36:15 PM
St Marys dominates this conference again this year.  SMCM is on a level that nobody can compete with.  They are the new Catholic of this conference.  Its ashame this board is so dead it used to be a good spot in the early 2000's.  Bring it back to life people. Maryland has best D3 kids in the country if you cant get kids in this conference from MD then you need to reevaluate coaching strategies. 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on November 02, 2011, 01:55:50 PM
Spartan head coach Jeff Gamber has announced that he will retire concluding the 2011-12 season. Full release available here: http://www.ycpspartans.com/sports/mbkb/2011-12/releases/20111102krj4l2
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on November 02, 2011, 10:13:50 PM
Enjoy watching Gamber coach.  Also, enjoyed watching him play in high school.  He played excellent defense.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ronk on November 03, 2011, 12:32:04 AM
  I watched a creditable performance by St. Mary's in a loss to St. John's 77-70 on espn3.com. It was close throughout and tied with 4 mins left, despite reduced mins from McAuley who picked up 2 fouls in 1st min. Game is available for viewing on the website under the replay link.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: purpleheart22 on November 22, 2011, 12:11:08 AM
Salisbury University takes Pride of MD championship for first time in tourney history.  Seagulls are 3-0. St Marys is 2-1, heard Mary Washington beat a tough Christopher Newport team tonite. CAC is rolling right now.  Hopefully the league is competitive this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: SUADC on November 23, 2011, 09:45:57 AM
Salisbury University just upset the number one team in the country. New Coach - New Year - New Team = Great News
Also, I think I can say that there will be more dunks by Salisbury University than there local highschools. Congrats on winning the pride of maryland tournament and big upset over Virginia Wesleyan. Good luck the rest of the season.

Let's Go Seagulls.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: purpleheart22 on November 24, 2011, 12:09:02 PM
Big 4-0 start by Salisbury.  Nobody predicted that but congrats to Merkel and the team.  They will probably receive votes now for top 25 after defeating number 1 team, and Hopkins who defeated St Mary's.  Cant wait for conference play to start.  Glad Gamber is retiring maybe now York will get more diversity on its roster next year.  Maryland is a great state for D3 basketball lots of quality student athletes to recruit that can play at a high level. 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 28, 2011, 08:52:06 PM
York is in PA and they recruit from there... no rule states York has to recruit from Maryland. Furthermore, saying Gamber's departure will maybe mean more diversity is a bit of a dangerous comment.

As for Salisbury, I think the jury is still out. I personally did not put them on my ballot after considering them. They are certainly off to a great start with the Pride of Maryland win and a win over then #1 Virginia Wesleyan, but we are hardly a month into the season and personally, they have to keep winning and prove the start is a sign that they are a Top 25 team.

Also, the win over Hopkins who beat St. Mary's might not say as much as you think. Hopkins has trouble scoring and unless they can keep teams under 70, they will struggle. And St. Mary's is plagued with injuries to some very key players off of a team that already lost a good amount from last season.

Finally, Salisbury is certainly running a new offense. I will be interested to see how teams start to game-plan against them after DVD's start to make their rounds and especially when they enter the second round of conference games.

Again... I think the jury is still out.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: purpleheart22 on November 29, 2011, 10:07:41 PM
DMac its a dangerous comment but its true.  Everybody knows it but people are afraid to say it. Guess what this guy isnt.  you sound like a
Salisbury hater. Give credit where credit is due. They have earned a top 25 ranking.  Whether they keep it is up to them but they have earned that ranking. last time i checked rankings arent made on the future its the present.  St Mary's will be fine they just need to fine tune some things and they will be ready to roll once conference play starts. They have a really hard out of conference schedule this year.  Glad to see Mary Washington getting votes as well. Been a long time since CAC had three teams getting votes.  The league sounds like the good ole days.  Hopefully it brings back some life to the board.  Miss the old Catholic fans. 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 30, 2011, 01:08:58 AM
You can help out by making more than two posts a month. :)

I agree with you about Salisbury. But rankings are made on both the future and the present. And the past.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 30, 2011, 02:00:46 PM
I am in no way a Salisbury hater... I miss the days of the team being at the top of the conference. However, I am also a realist and in my years of being a Top 25 pollster, I have learned not to jump to conclusions, especially early in the season. I have put teams in my Top 25 based on a win (and in my opinion, Salisbury has one win of note) only to see them drop two or three games in a matter of a week or two and I end up wishing I had never jumped to an early conclusion.

The same can be said about teams I have put in based on expectations I had in the pre-season, only to have them turn out to be duds or heroes and I projected it the wrong direction.

Salisbury is on my not-so-short-list to get on my ballot. But, being they have a new coach and a new system, I would rather see more on their resume before I place them in my Top 25 ballot. Once I see it, they will be there.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on December 01, 2011, 09:34:40 AM
d-mac, looks like you were right about Salisbury.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: jams0325 on December 02, 2011, 08:04:37 PM
Even more of a reason to believe that the polls don't mean much until after the New Year. Don't sleep on York this year...they are always a tough out and the guys will be motivated to have Coach Gamber go out on a high note. Conference championship and NCAA tournament appearance are very realistic for them this year...but again, very early still and lots of games yet to play.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CACaddict on December 29, 2011, 02:17:34 PM
SMCM ekes out a close victory over visiting Guilford, although with the students away from campus it seemed more a neutral site contest than a genuine home game.  The teams looked very evenly matched and neither was able to pull away from the other.  The final score may have been the biggest lead enjoyed by St. Mary's.

On a lob play, one of Guilford's big men appeared to take a knee to the chest or arm from the defender covering the backside.  He went down in obvious pain and never returned to the game.  I noticed afterwards he was cradling one arm during the postgame handshake, offering his opposite hand for the gesture.  He still looked to be in a bit of discomfort.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CACaddict on January 05, 2012, 07:02:56 PM
SMCM got up early on Marymount and stayed there.  The game idled at a 10-15 point SMCM lead and the Virginia players never threatened.  Marymount may have pulled to withing six at one point but were quickly repelled.  Chris Hutchinson was the player of the game, offering smothering defense and nifty moves in the paint, including an impressive dunk off an alley-oop that I first assumed was one of the St. Mary's big men. I didn't know he could up like that!

St. Mary's plays again Saturday . . .
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: watcher on January 18, 2012, 11:23:50 AM
I think this is the most open the conference has been in years with no team really looking that dominate as in years past with St. Mary's just being heads above everyone else. It's going to be interesting to see who takes the conference championship this year
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: SUADC on February 03, 2012, 01:41:02 PM
Salisbury still above .500, good to see. I am very hopeful for the future of this program. I believe the new coach and his staff are doing a great job. I can see them doing well in the next year or two. Also, the transfers are helping out a lot and with Salisbury University growing with new the education building, business building, library, and new sports complex in the near future, we can land some good recruits and snag some good transfers.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 12, 2012, 09:46:05 PM
Since this room has been dead this season, this might not be worth it... but just in case, we had Coach Jeff Gamber on Hoopsville tonight. You can check out the archive here: www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2011-12/feb12 (http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2011-12/feb12)

Coach Gamber is on around the 30 minute mark.

Enjoy!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 16, 2012, 01:30:17 PM
Thought this would happen years ago.

http://www.d3sports.com/notables/2012/02/cnu-withdraws-from-usac-for-cac
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 19, 2012, 02:39:41 PM
Just checking out the various CAC boards. Mostly trying to find them. Different regions for diff sports. Are all the CAC boards dead like this one and baseball?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: jams0325 on February 21, 2012, 10:30:13 PM
Pretty much... :-X
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 23, 2012, 08:54:24 PM
See St. Mary's lost tonight.  Are they still in contention for pool C or are they ECAC material?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: jams0325 on February 24, 2012, 11:43:17 PM
St. Mary's (Md.) is not a member of the ECAC...it is NCAA or bust at this point.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on February 25, 2012, 10:59:34 AM
UMW hosts York today in men's and women's CAC championship games.  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: jams0325 on February 25, 2012, 09:21:08 PM
Quote from: jams0325 on December 02, 2011, 08:04:37 PM
Even more of a reason to believe that the polls don't mean much until after the New Year. Don't sleep on York this year...they are always a tough out and the guys will be motivated to have Coach Gamber go out on a high note. Conference championship and NCAA tournament appearance are very realistic for them this year...but again, very early still and lots of games yet to play.

Well...maybe I should just make my way down to the local gas station and play some lottery numbers. Crazy...
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 25, 2012, 10:46:28 PM
Congrats to Coach Gamber and YCP on the title... heck of a way to salute Coach Gamber!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on April 01, 2012, 11:03:30 AM
Anybody hear any rumors on who is in the mix for the York College job? I thought if Gambers son was to be in the mix it would be wrapped up by now. Wonder if they have had any on campus interviews yet. I hope they do not go the D1 route like we are seeing in DIII these days.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 01, 2012, 04:35:27 PM
I'm not sure "the D1 route" is the way things are going these days. More D-III assistants were hired as D-III head men's coaches last year (13) than D-I assistant and head coaches combined (10).

Based on last year's coaching carousel, which is not an exhaustive list but does encompass 32 men's coaching changes, schools last year did the following:

Hired another D3 school's assistant coach: 9
Hired a D1 school's assistant coach: 6
Promoted their own (D3) assistant coach: 4
Hired another D3 school's head coach: 4
Hired a D1 school's head coach: 2
Hired a D1 school's former head coach: 2
Hired a high school coach: 2
Hired a D2 head coach: 1
AD came back to coach: 1
Hired a junior college coach: 1
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on April 01, 2012, 10:59:48 PM
What Jeff Gamber told me (on a Hoopsville interview you can still see) was that the search was a national one... giving the obvious hint that it wasn't his son's to just take over. They were going to search for the best candidate possible... though, Dean could be that candidate. They are probably doing their due diligence... it is a process that has become more expected these days surrounding openings then just "giving" the job to someone every expects. I can think of a few occasions that has happened in just the last two years.

Good luck to Dean... and I am sure YCP is doing what is right for the college, athletic department, and program.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on April 02, 2012, 10:51:44 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on April 01, 2012, 04:35:27 PM
I'm not sure "the D1 route" is the way things are going these days. More D-III assistants were hired as D-III head men's coaches last year (13) than D-I assistant and head coaches combined (10).

Based on last year's coaching carousel, which is not an exhaustive list but does encompass 32 men's coaching changes, schools last year did the following:

Hired another D3 school's assistant coach: 9
Hired a D1 school's assistant coach: 6
Promoted their own (D3) assistant coach: 4
Hired another D3 school's head coach: 4
Hired a D1 school's head coach: 2
Hired a D1 school's former head coach: 2
Hired a high school coach: 2
Hired a D2 head coach: 1
AD came back to coach: 1
Hired a junior college coach: 1

Thanks for the clarity, Pat. Ignorance on my part for assuming, just thought I have been seeing more D1 coaches make the D3 jump last few years. Guess thats the mindset of a 100% D3 fan. Thank though, what great info.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on April 02, 2012, 10:52:37 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on April 01, 2012, 10:59:48 PM
What Jeff Gamber told me (on a Hoopsville interview you can still see) was that the search was a national one... giving the obvious hint that it wasn't his son's to just take over. They were going to search for the best candidate possible... though, Dean could be that candidate. They are probably doing their due diligence... it is a process that has become more expected these days surrounding openings then just "giving" the job to someone every expects. I can think of a few occasions that has happened in just the last two years.

Good luck to Dean... and I am sure YCP is doing what is right for the college, athletic department, and program.

Thanks Dave, that was a great interview. Only special people get to go out in a special way and Coach Gamber certainly did so. Thanks for the reply.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: purpleheart22 on May 08, 2012, 10:30:14 PM
Heard Matt Hunter got the job at YCP.  He was an assistant at Desales for the last few years and also had a year as the interim coach at The College of New Jersey.  He was also an assistant TCNJ before he got the interim tag.  Hunter is a Salisbury University alum and played basketball for three years there.  Great hire he should do well in the CAC.  Good luck to him! 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on May 31, 2012, 12:08:52 PM
Hope you don't mind a break in the action, as it were, but I want to share a story the D3 community should know about. You actually may have seen the story on the front page of D3hoops.com, but just in case:

A Goucher basketball player has been paralyzed in a freak accident. He was wrestling around with a friend one morning in his dorm building when he landed on his neck. The entire story is here (http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2012/05/goucher-player-paralyzed).

He was released from the hospital to the Kennedy Krieger Institute for rehab shortly after that article was posted last week. However, over the weekend he was sent back to the hospital when he apparently had trouble breathing. Now he awaits a return to the rehab facility, probably any day if he hasn't been released already.

Please keep Damone Brooks, his family, the Goucher basketball team(s), and Goucher community in your thoughts, hearts, and prayers. The family certainly needs help with medical bills as well, so if you feel inclined, please consider them as well.

To follow his progress online, click here (http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/damonebrooks).
And to consider a donation, click here (http://www.helphopelive.org/find-a-patient/profile/index.cfm/patient/FE0B84F4-C845-2122-B07EA3093EFAF336).

Thank you for taking the time to read this. Please feel free to contact me with any questions.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on June 13, 2012, 11:52:57 AM
York's new basketball coach, Matt Hunter, sat down with me to talk about his first permanent head coaching position, taking over a program with it's first new coach in 35 years, and the challenges of getting ready for the '12-'13 season. It is a Hoopsville OnDemand interview on campus.

Link: www.d3hoops.com/notables/2012/06/hoopsville-interview-matt-hunter (http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2012/06/hoopsville-interview-matt-hunter)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Seatfiller on August 15, 2012, 09:35:34 AM
This board is kind of dead but big news for anyone who didn't know, Southern Virginia University has joined the CAC along with CNU and they start play this year, the news release is here http://athletics.svu.edu/about/news/2012-13/cac-membership
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on August 15, 2012, 12:30:48 PM
Seatfiller - they start play NEXT season... the CAC will have just 7 teams for the '12-'13 season... next year Southern Virginia, Christopher Newport, and Penn State-Harrisburg join the conference. You can get an update on the front page of D3hoops.com (http://d3hoops.com).
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on September 21, 2012, 02:21:43 PM
In case anyone missed it on the front page of D3hoops.com, St. Mary's will start the season at the inaugural Hoopsville National Invitational Classic at Stevenson University.

SMC will play Catholic on the night of Saturday, November 17th... and then Randolph-Macon on Sunday afternoon.

For more information, check out the story: http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2012/09/hoopsville-classic-introduction (http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2012/09/hoopsville-classic-introduction)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ryan_finch on September 24, 2012, 09:32:41 AM
On September 29th Muhlenberg College will host it's 4th Annual Fall Shootout. I invite all college coaches to come on by to watch some high level basketball. The first game will begin at 8:30 am and the last game will be at 8:30 pm. Below is a list of schools which will be in attendance. I hope you can make it!

Emmaus   PA
Rutgers Prep   NJ
Allen   PA
Paul VI   VA
Westtown   PA
Parkland   PA
Bethlehem Catholic   PA
Dieruff   PA
North Hunterdon   NJ
Del Val Charter   PA
Phoenixville   PA
Mendham   NJ
Ridge   NJ
Cumberland Valley   PA
Delaware County Christian   PA
Quakertown   PA
Pen Argyl   PA
Souderton   PA
Stroudsburg   PA
St. Johns Bapist   NY
Freedom   PA
Hatboro-Horsham   PA
Patrick School   NJ
Holy Cross   PA
Constitution   PA
Atholton   MD
Gill St. Bernards   NJ
Ben Franklin   PA
Springfield Delco   PA
Point Pleasant Beach   NJ
Nazareth   PA
Myers   PA
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 17, 2012, 04:27:36 PM
The Preseason Top 25 is out: http://www.d3hoops.com/top25/men/2012-13/preseason (http://www.d3hoops.com/top25/men/2012-13/preseason)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 21, 2012, 04:35:59 PM
kinda quiet.....i hope this board livens up next year when CNU joins the conf.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: SUADC on December 12, 2012, 03:25:01 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on November 21, 2012, 04:35:59 PM
kinda quiet.....i hope this board livens up next year when CNU joins the conf.

Hope so too...

Salisbury looks to be real good this year...only lost to you guys. You guys looked really good though.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: SUADC on December 17, 2012, 02:53:13 PM
Big game tonight for SU as they take on the number 1 team in the nation...we did it last year with a less talented team. Hoping the Seagulls can make it two years in a row.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: SUADC on December 18, 2012, 09:06:26 AM
Quote from: SUADC on December 17, 2012, 02:53:13 PM
Big game tonight for SU as they take on the number 1 team in the nation...we did it last year with a less talented team. Hoping the Seagulls can make it two years in a row.

It appears that my Seagulls did it again, upsetting the number 1 team in the nation. Great win for Coach Merkel and the players, as I mention last year, he has done a great job bringing in talent and moding the young men into what the plan is, Instead of forcing players into a system, he is coaching them into the system.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: SUADC on December 20, 2012, 09:05:21 AM
Tough loss last night for the Seagulls, early in the game I though we had a great chance of putting it away early, but as many people know, momentum changes from time to time an R&M took control second half, maybe after our run in the 1st half, we were looking ahead to playing W&M. Nevertheless, I believe that they will rebound (not against W&M) and continue to play as expected and bring some good momentum into conference play.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Teamski on January 15, 2013, 08:34:41 PM
I am really impressed by the start of Wesley's season this year!  Man, I haven't seen them play this well since they had the Johnson/Martin tandem.  It seems like they gained a lot of depth from the offseason.   They have knocked off two ranked teams so far.  Well done Wolverines!

-Ski
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Teamski on January 16, 2013, 09:12:30 PM
Congrads to Wesley for another great game!  With the win over Salisbury, they take the lead in the CAC!  Wow!  I see a top 25 ranking if they keep this up.

-Ski
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Teamski on January 29, 2013, 12:21:15 AM
Booyeah!  Wesley cracks the hoops top 25 for the first time this season!  Well done Wolverines!

-Ski
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: DMJSports on February 25, 2013, 01:41:02 PM
Here is interesting insight on how individuals impact a team's performance.  The following analysis is not based on individual stats, but compares team performance with individual players in and out of the lineup.  This is an objective analysis using actual data from every game played by Capital Athletic Conference teams this season.  Based on this comprehensive analysis, the following players are making the most positive impact on their respective team:

Frostburg State: CHRISTIAN JACKSON does a nice job of not only improving Frostburg State's scoring rate by 4.3ppg but also reducing opponent scoring rate by 8.2ppg - a net gain of 12.5ppg.   KWAMBINA COKER (7.3ppg) and SHAWN HENSON (5.6ppg) also make a strong positive impact.

Mary Washington: BRADLEY RIESTER does a nice job of not only improving Mary Washington's scoring rate by 14.5ppg but also reducing opponent scoring rate by 1.7ppg - a net gain of 16.2ppg.   TAYLOR JOHNSON (9.9ppg) and JOHN YOXTHIMER (5.5ppg) also make a strong positive impact.

Marymount: ANTONIO ROUSE speeds up the game by increasing Marymount's scoring rate by 5.8ppg but also increases opponent scoring rate by 1.7ppg - a net gain of 4.1ppg

Salisbury: CHRIS VIQUEIRA does a nice job of not only improving Salisbury's scoring rate by 6.8ppg but also reducing opponent scoring rate by 4.6ppg - a net gain of 11.4ppg.   TRAVON VANN (5.4ppg) also makes a strong positive impact.

St. Mary's (Md.): BRENDAN MCFALL does a nice job of not only improving St. Mary's (Md.)'s scoring rate by 10.5ppg but also reducing opponent scoring rate by 2.7ppg - a net gain of 13.2ppg.   NICK LAGUERRE (5.2ppg) also makes a strong positive impact.

Wesley: ERIC SELBY does a nice job of not only improving Wesley's scoring rate by 5.1ppg but also reducing opponent scoring rate by 7.7ppg - a net gain of 12.8ppg.   WAYNE LENNON (10.4ppg) and DAVID LANGAN (5.7ppg) also make a strong positive impact.

York (Pa.): MIKE MATHEWS does a nice job of not only improving York (Pa.)'s scoring rate by 5.3ppg but also reducing opponent scoring rate by 6.3ppg - a net gain of 11.6ppg.   TODD MACIEJEWSKI (7.3ppg) and MITCH KEMP (5.5ppg) also make a strong positive impact.


On the lighter side, focusing on secondary goals (team stats other than the primary objective - outscoring opponents).  Following are players making the most positive impact in these areas:

Team scoring: having BRADLEY RIESTER on the floor correlates to Mary Washington increasing its scoring rate by 14.5 ppg compared to when RIESTER is on the bench.  TRAVON VANN-Salisbury (13.1) also makes a strong positive impact.

Opponent scoring: having PAUL REYNOLDS on the floor correlates to Wesley decreasing opposition scoring rate by 13.8 ppg compared to when REYNOLDS is on the bench.

Team field goal percentage: having NICK LAGUERRE on the floor correlates to St. Mary's (Md.) increasing its field goal percentage rate by 7.2 percentage points compared to when LAGUERRE is on the bench.

Opponent field goal percentage: having MIKE MATHEWS on the floor correlates to York (Pa.) decreasing opposition field goal percentage rate by 6.3 percentage points compared to when MATHEWS is on the bench.  MACGYVER BINIAK-St. Mary's (Md.) (5.9) also makes a strong positive impact.

Team field goals made: having TRAVON VANN on the floor correlates to Salisbury increasing its field goals made rate by 5.4 per game compared to when VANN is on the bench.  LAMONT FIELDS-Mary Washington (5.3) also makes a strong positive impact.

Opponent field goals made: having PAUL REYNOLDS on the floor correlates to Wesley decreasing opposition field goals made rate by 3.4 per game compared to when REYNOLDS is on the bench.  MIKE MATHEWS-York (Pa.) (3.3), KWAMBINA COKER-Frostburg State (3.2), TIMOTHY BRISCO-Marymount (3.0) also make a strong positive impact.

Team offensive rebounds: having TRAVON VANN on the floor correlates to Salisbury increasing its offensive rebounds rate by 3.4 per game compared to when VANN is on the bench. 

Opponent offensive rebounds: having PAUL REYNOLDS on the floor correlates to Wesley decreasing opposition offensive rebounds rate by 5.0 per game compared to when REYNOLDS is on the bench.

Team turnovers: having PAUL REYNOLDS on the floor correlates to Wesley decreasing its turnovers rate by 6.0 per game compared to when REYNOLDS is on the bench.

Opponent turnovers: having TRAVON VANN on the floor correlates to Salisbury increasing opposition turnovers rate by 3.4 per game compared to when VANN is on the bench.  BRENDAN MCFALL-St. Mary's (Md.) (3.3) also makes a strong positive impact.

Team steals: having TRAVON VANN on the floor correlates to Salisbury increasing its steals rate by 2.2 per game compared to when VANN is on the bench. 

Team assists: having BRADLEY RIESTER on the floor correlates to Mary Washington increasing its assists rate by 4.0 per game compared to when RIESTER is on the bench.

Team defensive rebounds: having CHRIS VIQUEIRA on the floor correlates to Salisbury increasing its defensive rebounds rate by 4.1 per game compared to when VIQUEIRA is on the bench.  DAVID LANGAN-Wesley (4.0) also makes a strong positive impact.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Teamski on March 01, 2013, 11:07:17 PM
Good luck to Wesley tomorrow against Williams!  I would love to see them get through the first round against a 7th ranked team.

-Ski
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: purpleheart22 on May 05, 2013, 07:49:19 PM
Any news on incoming recruits for CAC schools?  I hear St. Mary's has reloaded with some quality bmore talent.  How about some of the other schools?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ronk on May 05, 2013, 11:48:50 PM
There's news in the D3 recruiting blog(D3recruits.blogspot.com) for Marymount, St. Mary's, Frostburg, Salisbury, and York of the CAC.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on May 28, 2013, 10:26:30 AM
Looking forward to the new season, new conference, and new boards. See ya soon!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on June 21, 2013, 04:11:03 PM
St. Mary's and Salisbury will be taking part in the 2nd Annual Hoopsville National Invitational Classic: http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2013/06/hoopsville-classic-features-three-elite-eight-teams (http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2013/06/hoopsville-classic-features-three-elite-eight-teams)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on July 09, 2013, 01:10:03 PM
The rest of the CAC got an early Christmas present....CNU's big man, Nik Biberaj, is transferring to ODU.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on July 09, 2013, 03:13:49 PM
Bummer. He put up nice numbers in key games last year.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on July 09, 2013, 03:43:48 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on July 09, 2013, 01:10:03 PM
The rest of the CAC got an early Christmas present....CNU's big man, Nik Biberaj, is transferring to ODU.

yup...heard that last week....bummers. I wish him well... I believe he has to sit this year. Time to hit the weights and bulk up for the big boys. 6'7" in USA South is totally diff than 6'7" in Conf USA.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: purpleheart22 on September 11, 2013, 02:27:37 PM
Any preseason predictions this fall??? I saw St. Mary's is ranked preseason #2 in a magazine.  Returning four starters from an elite 8 run last year.  Hope the rest of the league brought in some quality transfers or recruits.  St. Mary's starting to run the table much like Catholic did back in the early 2000's.  Christopher Newport is usually a very tough team and with that long commute could have some serious home court advantage. Could also be tough for them on the road.  Wesley brings in athletes that cant get into any other college so I think they will be tough.  Salisbury being a public school in Maryland should compete considering MD is one of the better states in the country to land D3 guys.  2nd yr head coach at York should have brought in some of his guys and starting his own era there. Mary Washington is always going to be in the playoff mix.   Marymount, and Frostburg seem to never get anything done as of late.  Not sure about Penn State Harrisburg.

What about POY candidates?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on September 11, 2013, 03:30:02 PM
Quote from: purpleheart22 on September 11, 2013, 02:27:37 PM
Any preseason predictions this fall??? I saw St. Mary's is ranked preseason #2 in a magazine.  Returning four starters from an elite 8 run last year.  Hope the rest of the league brought in some quality transfers or recruits.  St. Mary's starting to run the table much like Catholic did back in the early 2000's.  Christopher Newport is usually a very tough team and with that long commute could have some serious home court advantage. Could also be tough for them on the road.  Wesley brings in athletes that cant get into any other college so I think they will be tough.  Salisbury being a public school in Maryland should compete considering MD is one of the better states in the country to land D3 guys.  2nd yr head coach at York should have brought in some of his guys and starting his own era there. Mary Washington is always going to be in the playoff mix.   Marymount, and Frostburg seem to never get anything done as of late.  Not sure about Penn State Harrisburg.

What about POY candidates?

Couple of quick thoughts:
- I saw SMC's ranking and even talked to an alum of the program and we both agreed this may be too high. This is also from a publication that really doesn't cover Division III. Let's find out in about six weeks or so what the D3hoops.com voters think. They do bring back a lot of talent... and they have been on top of this conference probably longer than Catholic was in some extent.
- CNU changes the dynamic of this conference, especially at the top. No longer is it SMC and than maybe Wesley or someone else. Now it is at least a three-horse race (depending on Wesley) with the hopes others step-up. The commute for most CAC schools to CNU will not be that challenging... and for CNU, the trips are actually shorter than their last conference. Look for CNU to make a big impact in the CAC.
- The assumption Wesley is bringing in athletes who can't get into other colleges is a reach. Sure, they may not have the same admission standards as some high-level liberal arts colleges... but I wouldn't say they are getting athletes Salisbury or others can't get. In fact, they are getting students from a different circle of recruiting usually.
- No disrespect for Salisbury, but they have had the state school "advantage" for a very long time. Being in Maryland and being a cheaper tuition option has helped in a lot of sports at Salisbury including both lacrosse teams and football... but it has not been a factor in basketball in a very long time - mid to late 90's was the last time they were competing consistently for a conference title.  I think they are improving under a coach that is determined to improve the program... but they have a lot of hurdles including perception to solve first.
- York will improve... but don't expect them at the top or really in the mix for a few more years. Their coach basically started from scratch last season (not many recruits to work with), so it will take a few years to finally get moving in the right direction.
- Mary Washington has been a disappointment over the last few years. I don't think Coach Wood is as good at in-game adjustments as either he was or his team made him look in the past. They may pull off an occasional upset in the conference tournament in the last few years, but they have not been a serious contender in awhile (they have played in four conference title games this century - two in the last nine years - and won just one of those four games).
- I agree Marymount never seems to get things done, but Frostburg is at least a challenge each year. However, they both need improvement from being at the bottom of the conference year in and year out. Harrisburg will be near the bottom until they get their feet under them in the conference.

And finally... POY candidates in September? They still have to lace it up for practice still five weeks out... and then play 25 games!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on September 12, 2013, 04:25:50 PM
The move to the CAC by CNU will make things a lot tougher in every sport, save baseball and golf. I am looking forward to the new conference games and keeping tabs on everyone else as the season progresses. Will be nice to see some new teams in the Freeman Center (although many of the teams have been there before). I wish we had Nik Biberaj to help under the rim. But we have to play the hand dealt. I can't wait!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: purpleheart22 on September 19, 2013, 02:30:29 PM
Anybody who know brought in what in terms of freshmen and transfers this year????
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ronk on September 19, 2013, 10:40:07 PM
 Check the d3bballrecruits.com site for most if not all CAC teams' incoming frosh.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on October 07, 2013, 08:44:57 PM
Quote from: ronk on September 19, 2013, 10:40:07 PM
Check the d3bballrecruits.com site for most if not all CAC teams' incoming frosh.
Not sure how accurate that site is.  F&M's lists players not enrolled and misses players enrolled.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on October 24, 2013, 11:44:58 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on September 11, 2013, 03:30:02 PM
Quote from: purpleheart22 on September 11, 2013, 02:27:37 PM
Any preseason predictions this fall??? I saw St. Mary's is ranked preseason #2 in a magazine.  Returning four starters from an elite 8 run last year.  Hope the rest of the league brought in some quality transfers or recruits.  St. Mary's starting to run the table much like Catholic did back in the early 2000's.  Christopher Newport is usually a very tough team and with that long commute could have some serious home court advantage. Could also be tough for them on the road.  Wesley brings in athletes that cant get into any other college so I think they will be tough.  Salisbury being a public school in Maryland should compete considering MD is one of the better states in the country to land D3 guys.  2nd yr head coach at York should have brought in some of his guys and starting his own era there. Mary Washington is always going to be in the playoff mix.   Marymount, and Frostburg seem to never get anything done as of late.  Not sure about Penn State Harrisburg.

What about POY candidates?

The loss of Biberaj to ODU will hurt CNU. He was All-American material. It will be interesting to see what impact the new guys will have...FR and any transfers. We need to give Benefield and Cherry some help!

Couple of quick thoughts:
- I saw SMC's ranking and even talked to an alum of the program and we both agreed this may be too high. This is also from a publication that really doesn't cover Division III. Let's find out in about six weeks or so what the D3hoops.com voters think. They do bring back a lot of talent... and they have been on top of this conference probably longer than Catholic was in some extent.
- CNU changes the dynamic of this conference, especially at the top. No longer is it SMC and than maybe Wesley or someone else. Now it is at least a three-horse race (depending on Wesley) with the hopes others step-up. The commute for most CAC schools to CNU will not be that challenging... and for CNU, the trips are actually shorter than their last conference. Look for CNU to make a big impact in the CAC.
- The assumption Wesley is bringing in athletes who can't get into other colleges is a reach. Sure, they may not have the same admission standards as some high-level liberal arts colleges... but I wouldn't say they are getting athletes Salisbury or others can't get. In fact, they are getting students from a different circle of recruiting usually.
- No disrespect for Salisbury, but they have had the state school "advantage" for a very long time. Being in Maryland and being a cheaper tuition option has helped in a lot of sports at Salisbury including both lacrosse teams and football... but it has not been a factor in basketball in a very long time - mid to late 90's was the last time they were competing consistently for a conference title.  I think they are improving under a coach that is determined to improve the program... but they have a lot of hurdles including perception to solve first.
- York will improve... but don't expect them at the top or really in the mix for a few more years. Their coach basically started from scratch last season (not many recruits to work with), so it will take a few years to finally get moving in the right direction.
- Mary Washington has been a disappointment over the last few years. I don't think Coach Wood is as good at in-game adjustments as either he was or his team made him look in the past. They may pull off an occasional upset in the conference tournament in the last few years, but they have not been a serious contender in awhile (they have played in four conference title games this century - two in the last nine years - and won just one of those four games).
- I agree Marymount never seems to get things done, but Frostburg is at least a challenge each year. However, they both need improvement from being at the bottom of the conference year in and year out. Harrisburg will be near the bottom until they get their feet under them in the conference.

And finally... POY candidates in September? They still have to lace it up for practice still five weeks out... and then play 25 games!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: purpleheart22 on October 31, 2013, 02:35:57 PM
Saw St. Mary's is ranked 10th in the D3 hoops preseason poll while Christopher Newport and Wesley are receiving votes.  Congrats to the CAC for getting some national recognition.  Ready for things to get started.  Any news on how teams are doing with scrimmages or anything?  I know St. Mary's scrimmaged Howard Community College last night not sure how it turned out.  Howard Community College Head Coach Mike Smelkinson is a St. Mary's alum and was part of their CAC championship team and sweet 16 appearance in 2008. 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 01, 2013, 02:40:25 PM
CNU is still trying to figure things out with new folks and the loss of Biberaj. This season could go either way.....awesome or tank. Gotta love it!!! Let's get this thing started to see what happens!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Teamski on November 16, 2013, 10:10:27 PM
Well done Wesley!  A strong start with Langan at the lead.  90-76 win over John Hopkins is telling!  Looking forward to the rest of the season.

-Ski
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 16, 2013, 11:08:00 PM
Sorry... but beating JHU, as much as I respect the program, is not something to brag too much about right now. JHU has been in the middle of a weak Centennial Conference for years. I will wait to see how Wesley does against Albright (home) and Hampden-Sydney (away) in the next two games to be impressed :).
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Teamski on November 17, 2013, 07:53:14 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 16, 2013, 11:08:00 PM
Sorry... but beating JHU, as much as I respect the program, is not something to brag too much about right now. JHU has been in the middle of a weak Centennial Conference for years. I will wait to see how Wesley does against Albright (home) and Hampden-Sydney (away) in the next two games to be impressed :).

Fair enough.  Luckily, I will be able to attend the Albright game Wednesday night.  ;)

-Ski
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on November 18, 2013, 10:29:41 AM
Not sure you can look at Albrights season last year and draw any comparisons to who they will be this year (not that anyone has done that, just an observation :). The loss of Singleton, Mickens and Benjamin to graduation along with Marshall leaving school hurt a lot. Not much fire power and ability to score on the roster. Have to be great defensively to compete. I'm not too familiar with Wesley except their athletic, well coached and have experience in big games. Albright does return 3 starters but not real sure about depth and experience after that.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 18, 2013, 08:59:41 PM
Wesley lost the heart and soul of the team and the biggest contributor inside... what they do without his presence in the $64,000 question this season.

Certainly Albright lost some key players, but they are always well coached and tough to play.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on November 18, 2013, 09:06:53 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 18, 2013, 08:59:41 PM
Wesley lost the heart and soul of the team and the biggest contributor inside... what they do without his presence in the $64,000 question this season.

Certainly Albright lost some key players, but they are always well coached and tough to play.

Yes, I should have added that Coach Ferry does a nice job coaching his guys. Well coached group, tough and gritty
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: purpleheart22 on November 19, 2013, 01:52:26 PM
Salisbury has a huge test tonight against Virginia Wesleyan.  Good luck to them! Can't wait for the Hoopsville Classic event this wknd.  #10 St. Mary's vs #19 Cabrini on Fri. is the headliner.  Great showcase of quality D3 hoops in a very talent rich Baltimore area.  Ill be checking some of those games out this wknd.  Should be good for recruiting for the MD teams involved.  I know Salisbury is also in the event from the CAC.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 19, 2013, 05:29:39 PM
There are a lot of good teams at the Hoopsville Classic: three Top 25's, three from last year's Elite Eight, five getting Top 25 votes, five NCAA tournament teams from last year, average wins from all teams involved is 20, several conference champions, four conference coach of the years, etc.

While Cabrini vs. St. Mary's is headline grabbing, there is also Ohio Wesleyan vs. Trinity (TX) on Saturday and Middlebury vs. St. Mary's on Sunday... not to mention the other games which I think will all be very good.

Looking forward to seeing you there. Say hello if you get the chance!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 19, 2013, 10:34:49 PM
Kinda weird posting in here. I feel like the new kid in high school. CNU had a big win tonight on the road against RMC. We lost our big guy to ODU and are very young. The FR Daly has had two really good games so far.


All 5 starters scored in double figures tonight. CNU wins 800th game in 47 yrs of the program.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on November 20, 2013, 08:53:21 AM
Quote from: CNU85 on November 19, 2013, 10:34:49 PM
Kinda weird posting in here. I feel like the new kid in high school. CNU had a big win tonight on the road against RMC. We lost our big guy to ODU and are very young. The FR Daly has had two really good games so far.


All 5 starters scored in double figures tonight. CNU wins 800th game in 47 yrs of the program.

800 wins is quit an accomplishment. Congrats, new guy :)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 20, 2013, 09:58:51 AM
Thanks CC. It just seems weird to post with people I'm not used to posting with. The USA South guys were a lot of fun on the boards and passionate about their teams. I will find out soon enough about everyone on this board. I'm looking forward to conference play to see how everyone here interacts. Should be fun!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on November 20, 2013, 10:05:25 AM
Not sure how much life the CAC board has but the Centennial board gets after it quit a bit!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: middhoops on November 20, 2013, 12:55:37 PM
Just kinda trolling here, looking for buzz about St. Mary's.  Middlebury plays them Sunday.  I know they are perrennially a highly ranked team.  It was difficult to tell how they play watching their opener against a team they handled easily.
Middlebury has a lot of size and depth but has struggled defensively to stop anyone this season.
If St. Mary's beats Cabrini and Middlebury; their ranking should jump significantly.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: purpleheart22 on November 20, 2013, 02:42:10 PM
Salisbury loses to Virginia Wesleyan last night and CNU beat Randolph Macon.  CNU with a quality win early in the season.  Good for them.  Virginia Wesleyan is a tough game no matter what.  They have quality athletes that probably should not be playing D3 but somehow slip through the cracks of scholarship schools.  I would say the front runners for the league will be St. Mary's and CNU.  We will get to see what St. Mary's has to offer this wknd.  Two tough games against Cabrini and Middlebury.  St. Mary's is another school that seems to land talent that scholarship schools should have picked up. 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: middhoops on November 20, 2013, 05:28:07 PM
Which St. Mary's players would you classify as D1 talent?

With so many great young basketball players in the world, it was only a matter of time before D1 schools would have too many quality players to offer schollies to.
Amherst had at least 3 on their roster last season.
It served them well.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Teamski on November 20, 2013, 08:12:17 PM
Just came back from the Wesley-Albright game.  Wesley put on one hell of a clinic putting up 101 points in a 101-51 route.  I really didn't get to see too many games last year, but I saw a stifling full-court defense and some really good ball handling by the Wolverines tonight.   Only time will tell just how good they are with some CAC match-ups.

-Ski
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Teamski on November 20, 2013, 09:08:56 PM
........of course Wesley's next game against Hampton-Sydney on the 26th will answer a lot of questions!

-Ski
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ronk on November 20, 2013, 10:47:35 PM
Quote from: middhoops on November 20, 2013, 05:28:07 PM
Which St. Mary's players would you classify as D1 talent?

With so many great young basketball players in the world, it was only a matter of time before D1 schools would have too many quality players to offer schollies to.
Amherst had at least 3 on their roster last season.
It served them well.

  I'd classify Troy Spurrier F as a lower 1/2 D1 talent; he's only been a reserve so far, so either the players in front of him are better or Coach Heaney doesn't share my view.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 20, 2013, 11:52:17 PM
D1 caliber players at D3 is very common. I see it all of the time. The biggest reasons are their academics sometimes get them better financial assistance than a D1 athletic scholarship, the interest in playing and not riding the bench, the chance to actually compete for title or a national title instead of having no chance, even deciding that what D3 offers in terms of academics is more important, etc. Nothing surprising about D1 caliber talent (and that is really based on who claims they have D1 talent as well) deciding D3 is a better fit for themselves.

I do know of D3's who somehow had people talking in their ear about how they were really D1 caliber players and left to pursue that... only they haven't found it. See McAuley at SMC and there was a guy at Goucher that did that. I wish I had the opportunity to pull them aside and tell them how wrong they were.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Clutch on November 21, 2013, 09:09:34 AM
Dave very interesting point, perhaps more ought to be said about D3 as a level of play comparable to D1 despite height, size , and talent. Some folks think D3 (the general public) is a level closer to high school sadly, although this years format for the tourney did help to dispel this premise.   If D3 teams can get to play in a national spotlight more often or get some more TV exposure once in a while it would help as well.  Problem is the size of some d3 schools does not get the huge fan base as those giant d1 institutions.  The mission of D3 with more emphasis on academics I would think could attract more highly talented hoopsters who want life more or after basketball.  To this end, would a blitz of advertising about the D3 "experience" the rounded athlete be a successful campaign for attracting this type of player especially in the traditionally saturated D1 urban areas?  Showing the painted faces, dunks, etc.....to promote an image just as competitive as d1?   The demand for D3 needs attention, focus, and marketing towards this level of play as an alternative to a D1 which typically is thought of when you mention "college basketball" interestingly the women of Immaculata in the 70's show the image of a small school winning a national championship and fans of all hoops seem to enjoy the simple concept.( understand the Title9 etc... different times and pioneering of womens hoops)  To stay on your point I just don't think the average person or fan realize a D1 talent is in the d3 pool, looking at a player like Aaron Walton Moss( a lottery pick for the NBA draft) this could stimulate the interest for D3 hooping if more publicity was made.  Not saying of course one would be successful at the professional level, but if more articles on players after the D3 experience were written about more often (not just on d3 hoops but in general) folks may get a sense of how the d3 level is not a watered down hoops league...of tiny little schools who are for women only.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 21, 2013, 09:25:00 AM
Here's an interesting topic to discuss (I think). What is interesting is that I bet there are many points of view.....

To me, there seems to be more D3 football players in the NFL, than D3 basketball players in the NBA. There are probably more High School players in NBA than D3. But with the new NBA rule on high school eligibility, that may cloud the issue. Is it a numbers game? Totally different structure, and thus comparing apples and oranges? What's the impact of foreign professional leagues in basketball? There are some pro football leagues in Europe that are really trying to catch on. CNU's Tunde Ogun plays somewhere over there...Austria maybe?

CNU had a pretty decent player drafted in 2nd round of NBA draft in early 90's. LaMont Strothers.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Clutch on November 21, 2013, 09:25:42 AM
Wesley making scoring look easy, wondering if they just kept the pedal to the metal the whole game and ran it up , or did their bench come in as well, noticed Cabrini was well on their way to 100 pts but the coach took out the best players for last 10 minutes or they would have scored at least 100, not sure how Wesley did it or how good or bad the defense of Albright is this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Clutch on November 21, 2013, 09:30:07 AM
CNU85 I was thinking of football as well!  You could not have said it any better sir ! ! !  Just hoping the D3 experience of legitimacy as far as a level of play catches on for the sake of the student athletes, the d1 high schooler is thinking of the  $$$$$$$$ not the fact that life can change quickly.  Youth is temporary, guess they feel take the bucks and go to school later but not so sure what one thinks when they are on top of the world at age 18 and king of the court.... Your point is well-stated and thought provoking.  Appreciate your post.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Clutch on November 21, 2013, 09:33:14 AM
Lamont, that man scored almost 3000 points in D3 for you guys I believe, he was amazing and was drafted by Golden State very high not sure what happened to him after that...
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Teamski on November 21, 2013, 10:29:33 AM
Quote from: Clutch on November 21, 2013, 09:25:42 AM
Wesley making scoring look easy, wondering if they just kept the pedal to the metal the whole game and ran it up , or did their bench come in as well, noticed Cabrini was well on their way to 100 pts but the coach took out the best players for last 10 minutes or they would have scored at least 100, not sure how Wesley did it or how good or bad the defense of Albright is this year.

By 6 minutes left in the game, Wesley had their entire bench out on the floor.  Before that, they slowly subbed out their starters. 

-Ski
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 21, 2013, 11:40:35 AM
Well it is a numbers game... there are 32 NFL teams with rosters of 53 guys (not counting practice squads)... meaning there are nearly 1,700 players in the NFL. In the NBA there are 30 teams consisting of 15 players... meaning there are just 450 players in the league. That is 26% of the player pool.

There have actually been a number of successful players from Division III that have played in the NBA. One of the most recent was Devon George (lots of championship rings).

However, the NBA is different in that it caters to a specific talent pool - the kind that play more of a street-ball game above the rim... not an X's and O's game, which is why the success of Phil Jackson is tremendous.

The NFL is the same basics, though faster, as the game in college. So if you are a player who can play the game well at any level, you will play in the NFL.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: purpleheart22 on November 21, 2013, 01:40:55 PM
I would disagree with that statement about the NBA being a street ball mentality league.  I think the NBA has shifted and has started looking for more athletic guys with potential then solid players who aren't as athletic.  The NBA game is still very much about X's and O's.  Those guys know the game, but all the highlights and stuff you see on TV is all about dunking and blocked shots.

D1 talent play D3 for a number of reasons.  Height, strength, and athleticism play a part in a lot of cases, but I have seen time and time again guys that play D3 roast guys that play D1 in high school.  D3 guys seem to be more cerebral bc of their lack of certain skills they have to make up for it somehow to still be able to compete.  In regards to D1 talents playing D3 ball I can name a lot of players from the CAC that would have contributed at the D1 level not just sit the bench.  Camonte Griffin from SMCM  a few yrs ago would have fit in great at a lot of D1 schools but they overlooked him bc of his height. Rashawn Johnson from Wesley would have been a very good D1 player.  I think Don Hill and Nick Laguerre from SMCM this yr should have been D1 out of high school.  Alex Irmer who was a 6'8 wingman for SMCM a few yrs ago had D1 offers but turned them down to play D3.  Chad McGowan from York back in the day could have played D1.  The list could go on and on for certain programs in the league.

I do agree that D3 does not market itself well enough though especially in the urban areas.  People look down on D3 and because they may have to pay they don't see the bigger picture.  The opportunity to play in the NCAA tournament, The quality academics most D3 schools provide, and the freedom to enjoy college not feeling like playing sports is a job like most D2 and D1 schools are.   This is why I think the Hoopsville Classic is so important to be played in Baltimore because most of the kids in that area believe its either scholarship or nothing.  When in reality there is a ton of options outside of a scholarship where you can compete in collegiate sports. This weekend will be an opportunity to show off D3 basketball to a very saturated D3 athlete area.  I'm excited to see these quality teams get after it. 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Clutch on November 21, 2013, 05:03:38 PM
thanks you guys for all your perspectives, on a positive note, D3 getting noticed more for whatever it is worth I would have to conclude.  Thinking that pg Cory Lemons from Cabrini could be far greater with a little height I believe he is playing semi pro at Tampa Bay.... but where else can you go to a quality level of hoops in an intimate environment and see talent etc..... D3 ! ! !
The exposure has been getting better with more parity in conferences, the ODAC is the standard these days it seems for strong conferences.  Would it help if there were more games at neutral sites in locations with teams close by such as the old palestra and the big 5 was in D1....... each region perhaps could play their conference tourneys at neutral sites with higher exposure?  OK OK  I don't mean to stretch it but seems to be a double edge sword, small place is better sometimes and if a team earns a home game advantage guess that's a problem too if they want to host. But on the otherhand would the exposure be more positive?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 21, 2013, 05:10:22 PM
Quote from: Clutch on November 21, 2013, 09:33:14 AM
Lamont, that man scored almost 3000 points in D3 for you guys I believe, he was amazing and was drafted by Golden State very high not sure what happened to him after that...

I'm not 100% sure...but his story is something like this....I believe at one point he signed a 10 day contract with Dallas, and maybe one other team. Then some international ball (Israel maybe?). Came home and coached a local high school team (my old high school and same high school Allen Iverson went to) for awhile and was even an assistant women's coach at CNU.

Not sure what he is doing now.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on November 21, 2013, 08:12:50 PM
Andy Panko, LVC. Has a few 10 day contracts with the Lakers, Hawks and maybe one other place. Could have had a longer contract but no sure if any exceeded a 10 day. He is playing in the top League in Europe and believe he may have been MVP. Dude could have played and started for 30% of D1 schools by his jr year. Went in to LVC as a 6-3 pg and grew to about 6-8 in college. I could be off on a stat or two, height, but its pretty close.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on November 21, 2013, 09:42:54 PM
Panko was a fantastic player.  He lit up F&M several times.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on November 21, 2013, 11:18:27 PM
Quote from: CCHoopster on November 21, 2013, 08:12:50 PM
Andy Panko, LVC. Has a few 10 day contracts with the Lakers, Hawks and maybe one other place. Could have had a longer contract but no sure if any exceeded a 10 day. He is playing in the top League in Europe and believe he may have been MVP. Dude could have played and started for 30% of D1 schools by his jr year. Went in to LVC as a 6-3 pg and grew to about 6-8 in college. I could be off on a stat or two, height, but its pretty close.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Panko

Pretty impressive career. Maybe best D3 player of all time? Got to be in the conversation.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: middhoops on November 22, 2013, 07:29:47 AM
Jack Sikma played for Illinois Wesleyan.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Sikma
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 22, 2013, 08:48:11 AM
Quote from: middhoops on November 22, 2013, 07:29:47 AM
Jack Sikma played for Illinois Wesleyan.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Sikma

Please don't start this again.  There used to be a huge, long thread going back and forth over the Sikma issue.  IWU was NAIA until the mid-80's.  Some people argue that rules Sikma out, others think he should still be included.  It gets ugly.

Let's leave it alone.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Clutch on November 22, 2013, 08:49:44 AM
cool, love hearing about these kind of players, just goes to show D3 is for real, my point is I just wish more people realized it out there in the mainstream, thanks for sharing you guys.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on November 22, 2013, 09:58:21 AM
Probably hard to say who is best ever, not familiar with Jack, but sounds like he was great!

If I'm starting an all D3 team, I am going Panko first overall though :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pj4fWqmcQtM
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 22, 2013, 10:12:32 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on November 22, 2013, 08:48:11 AM
Quote from: middhoops on November 22, 2013, 07:29:47 AM
Jack Sikma played for Illinois Wesleyan.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Sikma

Please don't start this again.  There used to be a huge, long thread going back and forth over the Sikma issue.  IWU was NAIA until the mid-80's.  Some people argue that rules Sikma out, others think he should still be included.  It gets ugly.

Let's leave it alone.

You are discouraging activity on this board?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: middhoops on November 22, 2013, 11:56:52 AM
I didn't mean to stir a controversy.  Unaware of the NAIA historical piece. I apologize if I roiled the waters.  Like you guys, I'm just here to talk hoops.  Even if I sometimes get it wrong.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on November 22, 2013, 12:15:42 PM
Yeah what the heck are you doing "roiling the waters"  ;D Middhoops! Conversation and debate and banter and all that are what helps to get D3 noticed. Keep it up!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: middhoops on November 22, 2013, 12:33:12 PM
Thanks, CCH.
I'd rather engage in some conversation about the Stevenson, Cabrini, St. Mary's and Middlebury games starting today.  Must say, I like my team here.  We don't play much defense but we are really big, deep and can score.  Alvernia came awfully close to beating us until fouls limited their options.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 22, 2013, 12:36:25 PM
Jack Sikma and Terry Porter (UW-Stevens Point) were NAIA players. I think we've even gotten the IWU posters to agree. They played in the NAIA tournament, which seals it for me. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on November 22, 2013, 12:48:58 PM
Quote from: middhoops on November 22, 2013, 12:33:12 PM
Thanks, CCH.
I'd rather engage in some conversation about the Stevenson, Cabrini, St. Mary's and Middlebury games starting today.  Must say, I like my team here.  We don't play much defense but we are really big, deep and can score.  Alvernia came awfully close to beating us until fouls limited their options.

That happens when you live and die with what is now (bc the loss of Terrence Bridgers- they beat a lot of teams with him still around) a 5 man rotation. Very talented five for Alvernia, but that's not something great to rely on in a long season. Stevenson's PG is a Soph and was the MAC-Commonwealth FOY. He is really talented and maybe a top 3-4 guard amongst these teams.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: sunny on November 22, 2013, 12:51:10 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 22, 2013, 12:36:25 PM
Jack Sikma and Terry Porter (UW-Stevens Point) were NAIA players. I think we've even gotten the IWU posters to agree. They played in the NAIA tournament, which seals it for me. :)

Here's a way to end this argument. If Jack Sikma and Terry Porter were Division III players because their schools have since moved into Division III, then they are fighting for second place behind this guy:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/parisro01.html

Thank you, Centenary.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on November 22, 2013, 01:00:38 PM
Quote from: sunny on November 22, 2013, 12:51:10 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 22, 2013, 12:36:25 PM
Jack Sikma and Terry Porter (UW-Stevens Point) were NAIA players. I think we've even gotten the IWU posters to agree. They played in the NAIA tournament, which seals it for me. :)

Here's a way to end this argument. If Jack Sikma and Terry Porter were Division III players because their schools have since moved into Division III, then they are fighting for second place behind this guy:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/parisro01.html

Thank you, Centenary.

Well put. Since non of them are D3 players, I'll tick with the local guy from LVC Panko.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on November 22, 2013, 05:30:51 PM
QuoteVery talented five for Alvernia, but that's not something great to rely on in a long season.
Barely got past F&M, a team searching for a new identity after losing Early 5 minutes and 5 seconds into the season.  Fortunately he's pre-med, so he has something to fall back on.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: middhoops on November 22, 2013, 08:05:01 PM
Congrats to Stevenson.  They made the Middlebury bigs look like they were playing in mud.  Great win for the team and the conference.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on November 22, 2013, 10:34:08 PM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on November 22, 2013, 05:30:51 PM
QuoteVery talented five for Alvernia, but that's not something great to rely on in a long season.
Barely got past F&M, a team searching for a new identity after losing Early 5 minutes and 5 seconds into the season.  Fortunately he's pre-med, so he has something to fall back on.

4 all conference returners would be pretty talented, no?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 25, 2013, 08:46:41 AM
Quote from: CCHoopster on November 21, 2013, 11:18:27 PM
Quote from: CCHoopster on November 21, 2013, 08:12:50 PM
Andy Panko, LVC. Has a few 10 day contracts with the Lakers, Hawks and maybe one other place. Could have had a longer contract but no sure if any exceeded a 10 day. He is playing in the top League in Europe and believe he may have been MVP. Dude could have played and started for 30% of D1 schools by his jr year. Went in to LVC as a 6-3 pg and grew to about 6-8 in college. I could be off on a stat or two, height, but its pretty close.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Panko

Pretty impressive career. Maybe best D3 player of all time? Got to be in the conversation.

I looked up Strothers info on Wiki....not accurate. Said CNU offered him a scholarship to play basketball.  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 25, 2013, 08:54:15 AM
What a week/weekend. CNU historically held a tournament at Thanksgiving. This year they move it to the weekend before, while students are here and not on break. It was always tough trying to escape the house at times to go to the tourney. So, this happens to be first year my family moves Thanksgiving to the weekend before. Nice- right in the middle of the tourney. Then on Saturday was my 28th anniversary....really difficult to find reason to head down to the Freeman for a game. So now, I have 4 days off and no hoops tournament to watch.  Oh well - I need to create the final exam for my class, anyway.

I'm having hoops withdrawals! I haven't seen a game yet this year.

Question for fans.....in your opinion, what are the best places in the conference to go watch a CNU road game? I know the Freeman Center for any of you wanting to come down for a conference game is a fun environment!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Clutch on November 25, 2013, 09:11:19 AM
hahah....CNU you just cannot win sometimes with the family LOL....enjoy your turkey and your hoops.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: purpleheart22 on November 25, 2013, 10:03:48 AM
St. Mary's probably has the best environment out of all the CAC schools when the students are at the school. 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on November 25, 2013, 11:37:16 AM
When F&M played St. Mary's for the first time several years ago, the atmosphere was one of the best I'd ever encountered.  I've been following F&M since 1966, and I enjoyed the enthusiastic crowd.  If only the F&M students were this involved, Mayser would be a tougher away game for opponents.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 25, 2013, 01:52:36 PM
Hmmm.....I may have to make a road trip. The new conference seems better suited for road trips than the USA South.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 25, 2013, 02:11:56 PM
I will echo the SMC thoughts... that has been a great place to see a game for a number of years. I know Mary Washington has a new place, but I have not been there since they opened it... however, that isn't a bad drive for CNU. And if you want a crazy place to see a game... go to Wesley... but get there early. There is very little room at their small gym :).

Outside of that, there are a number of places with great gyms or a cool experience... but not a combination of the two.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 26, 2013, 11:23:45 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 25, 2013, 02:11:56 PM
I will echo the SMC thoughts... that has been a great place to see a game for a number of years. I know Mary Washington has a new place, but I have not been there since they opened it... however, that isn't a bad drive for CNU. And if you want a crazy place to see a game... go to Wesley... but get there early. There is very little room at their small gym :).

Outside of that, there are a number of places with great gyms or a cool experience... but not a combination of the two.

Cool. Thanks for the info. I may be hoping in the car for a game or two.

Oh get this - I missed a road game opportunity already. Radio guy for CNU sends a text to my old cell number asking if I wanted to color commentate the CNU @ RMC game earlier this year! Oh well. He has now deleted the old number...maybe I will get another chance this season.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Teamski on November 26, 2013, 02:22:11 PM
Well, Wesley faces Hampden-Sydney at 5PM Eastern tonight.  Should be very interesting to see if Wesley can measure up to a ranked team.  A victory will get them ranked.......

-Ski
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Teamski on November 26, 2013, 06:45:59 PM
Congratulations to Wesley for beating 8th ranked Hampden-Sydney 78-72 on their court!  Well done Wolverines, well done!  Very impressed!

-Ski
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 27, 2013, 09:35:52 AM
Quote from: Teamski on November 26, 2013, 06:45:59 PM
Congratulations to Wesley for beating 8th ranked Hampden-Sydney 78-72 on their court!  Well done Wolverines, well done!  Very impressed!

-Ski

Nice!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Teamski on November 30, 2013, 03:17:41 PM
Congrads to Dave Langan of Wesley for making the D3hoops team of the week!  Well done, mate!   :D

-Ski
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Teamski on December 01, 2013, 04:50:50 PM
Wesley beats York tonight, 70-56.  Welcome to the top 25 Wolverines!  Well done!

-Ski
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Clutch on December 02, 2013, 01:15:35 PM
Nice win Wesley Wolverines, hoping to get out and see them play at Cabrini....after the New Year.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Teamski on December 02, 2013, 06:01:35 PM
Quote from: Clutch on December 02, 2013, 01:15:35 PM
Nice win Wesley Wolverines, hoping to get out and see them play at Cabrini....after the New Year.

That will be a challenging game for sure.

-Ski
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Teamski on December 03, 2013, 12:32:17 PM
Big time congrads on Wesley's #17 ranking this week, the highest in the program's history!  Well done gents!  Keep it up!

-Ski
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Clutch on December 05, 2013, 09:11:35 AM
Wesley lost one, but they are still on a roll, not sure what will happen with this team yet.   
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Teamski on December 05, 2013, 02:49:46 PM
Quote from: Clutch on December 05, 2013, 09:11:35 AM
Wesley lost one, but they are still on a roll, not sure what will happen with this team yet.

Yeah, they did the same thing last year, lost their first game after getting ranked.  There is a long season ahead, though.

-Ski
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Seahawk Pride on December 10, 2013, 08:18:43 AM
Went to the St. Mary's vs DeSales game last night at the Hawkdome.  It was a lackluster performance by St. Mary's.  They were a step late for everything all night.  If the game were a bit closer I would complain that the refs screwed us, but it was not close enough to make that claim......
Fouls (smcm=20, DeSales 12), F.T. attempts (smcm=13, DeSales 29).  The game was not reffed like the HOME team was ranked in the top-10.  Not to say that they should get the benefit of the doubt on every call......but an even/fair game is an expectation and I do not feel we got that tonight.

SMCM was 16/25 from 2pt F.G.'s, but shot 31 3-pters to bail DeSales out and not take advantage of DeSales' lack of size.

With that said DeSales made plays when they had to and made some really tough shots.  Scott has that team playing with a lot of confidence, and the keep people out of the paint very well.  If you are not making shots from the 3-pt line it could be a long night.

The Hawks are now off for Final exams this week then play Susquehanna in Puerto Rico next Saturday.  Coach Harney will have the boys back and ready to go next week in P.R.  This team is not far away from running off a bunch of wins in a row.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ronk on December 10, 2013, 10:04:52 AM
Quote from: Seahawk Pride on December 10, 2013, 08:18:43 AM
Went to the St. Mary's vs DeSales game last night at the Hawkdome.  It was a lackluster performance by St. Mary's.  They were a step late for everything all night.  If the game were a bit closer I would complain that the refs screwed us, but it was not close enough to make that claim......
Fouls (smcm=20, DeSales 12), F.T. attempts (smcm=13, DeSales 29).  The game was not reffed like the HOME team was ranked in the top-10.  Not to say that they should get the benefit of the doubt on every call......but an even/fair game is an expectation and I do not feel we got that tonight.


SMCM was 16/25 from 2pt F.G.'s, but shot 31 3-pters to bail DeSales out and not take advantage of DeSales' lack of size.

With that said DeSales made plays when they had to and made some really tough shots.  Scott has that team playing with a lot of confidence, and the keep people out of the paint very well.  If you are not making shots from the 3-pt line it could be a long night.

The Hawks are now off for Final exams this week then play Susquehanna in Puerto Rico next Saturday.  Coach Harney will have the boys back and ready to go next week in P.R.  This team is not far away from running off a bunch of wins in a row.

  I know of 2 of the refs(1, a friend) and they're very competent, not influenced by external pressure.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on December 10, 2013, 01:36:42 PM
St. Mary' #9. Wesley #21 and CNU receiving votes (#27). Should be a fun year!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on December 10, 2013, 02:28:04 PM
It sure would be nice if we could get a win on Sunday, huh CNU85?  We're way overdue, but it looks like VWC has reloaded, once again....
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 10, 2013, 03:28:07 PM
Quote from: Seahawk Pride on December 10, 2013, 08:18:43 AM
Went to the St. Mary's vs DeSales game last night at the Hawkdome.  It was a lackluster performance by St. Mary's.  They were a step late for everything all night.  If the game were a bit closer I would complain that the refs screwed us, but it was not close enough to make that claim......
Fouls (smcm=20, DeSales 12), F.T. attempts (smcm=13, DeSales 29).  The game was not reffed like the HOME team was ranked in the top-10.  Not to say that they should get the benefit of the doubt on every call......but an even/fair game is an expectation and I do not feel we got that tonight.

SMCM was 16/25 from 2pt F.G.'s, but shot 31 3-pters to bail DeSales out and not take advantage of DeSales' lack of size.

With that said DeSales made plays when they had to and made some really tough shots.  Scott has that team playing with a lot of confidence, and the keep people out of the paint very well.  If you are not making shots from the 3-pt line it could be a long night.

The Hawks are now off for Final exams this week then play Susquehanna in Puerto Rico next Saturday.  Coach Harney will have the boys back and ready to go next week in P.R.  This team is not far away from running off a bunch of wins in a row.

Foul totals and number of free throws do not indicate how a game is or isn't called. There is a lot more involved and a game can be very well and evenly called and still see a major difference in those numbers.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on December 10, 2013, 04:13:48 PM
Quote from: Seahawk Pride on December 10, 2013, 08:18:43 AM
Went to the St. Mary's vs DeSales game last night at the Hawkdome.  It was a lackluster performance by St. Mary's.  They were a step late for everything all night.  If the game were a bit closer I would complain that the refs screwed us, but it was not close enough to make that claim......
Fouls (smcm=20, DeSales 12), F.T. attempts (smcm=13, DeSales 29).  The game was not reffed like the HOME team was ranked in the top-10.  Not to say that they should get the benefit of the doubt on every call......but an even/fair game is an expectation and I do not feel we got that tonight.

SMCM was 16/25 from 2pt F.G.'s, but shot 31 3-pters to bail DeSales out and not take advantage of DeSales' lack of size.

With that said DeSales made plays when they had to and made some really tough shots.  Scott has that team playing with a lot of confidence, and the keep people out of the paint very well.  If you are not making shots from the 3-pt line it could be a long night.

The Hawks are now off for Final exams this week then play Susquehanna in Puerto Rico next Saturday.  Coach Harney will have the boys back and ready to go next week in P.R.  This team is not far away from running off a bunch of wins in a row.

If you dive into the stat sheet a bit more...you would see that 18 of DSU's 29 foul shots came in the final four minutes of the game.  When I presume, SMC stepped up its defensive pressure a bit (via full court press) trying to erase an 18-point deficit and thus fouled a bit more hoping the Bulldogs would miss a few freebies, the clock would stop, and the Seahawks could get back into the game.

Not sure you can pin that on the referees.  The other 36 minutes of the game, the foul shots/fouls are relatively even.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 10, 2013, 04:25:29 PM
Exactly!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Clutch on December 10, 2013, 04:55:50 PM
The refs have a tough job as it is ...hey did the guy who twisted his ankle down at Stevenson play for St Mary's , you know one of their best players, sorry have been out of the loop a bit lately.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 10, 2013, 08:23:56 PM
Nick LaGuerre - hasn't missed a game.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on December 11, 2013, 03:56:01 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on December 10, 2013, 02:28:04 PM
It sure would be nice if we could get a win on Sunday, huh CNU85?  We're way overdue, but it looks like VWC has reloaded, once again....

It would be nice. But as usual VWC is loaded. The game could get ugly. The one thing I do like about this year's CNU team.....they are full of Dont'e Selden type players.....guys who hate to lose and will not give up. I wish the game was in January or February. CNU will be deeper on the bench then with injured players finally getting in the lineup.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on December 16, 2013, 08:36:48 AM
Huge win for CNU yesterday at VWC....got to stay focused and beat Salisbury on Wednesday!

GO CAPS!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on December 16, 2013, 06:18:31 PM
That was a HUGE win on the road against the #6 Marlins!!! First time we beat them at their new Batten Center. I can't wait for Wednesday when I can finally attend a game!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 17, 2013, 12:42:19 AM
New Batton Center? That thing has been around for awhile :)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ronk on December 17, 2013, 01:29:58 AM
 New is a relative term, but I was there for the women's final 4 in 2005 so it's at least that old.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on December 17, 2013, 08:35:48 AM
The CAC has three teams in the top 25 this week, and Mary Washington is at 27....that's one heck of a start for the conference!

GO CAPS!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on December 17, 2013, 02:48:24 PM
Well when you have played a team 81 times, but only 6 in Batten...it's kinda new. Officially opened in Feb 2002. Plus, when you are as old as me....11 years is new!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Teamski on December 17, 2013, 08:14:31 PM
Man that sucks.  I was looking forward to watching Wesley vs. Mary Washington on video and they postponed the game to a later date because because the scoreboard wasn't working......  :'(

-Ski
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Teamski on January 03, 2014, 11:01:11 AM
Yet another postponement for Wesley.  First it is a broken scoreboard and now weather.....  :-\

-Ski
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on January 04, 2014, 09:26:35 AM
Yeah, too bad, A Wesley win at Cabrini would be huge! Hope they can get them eventually!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 05, 2014, 04:29:23 PM
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Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Teamski on January 06, 2014, 04:39:24 PM
Quote from: mwcsid on January 04, 2014, 09:26:35 AM
Yeah, too bad, A Wesley win at Cabrini would be huge! Hope they can get them eventually!

Huge to say the least!  That will be one bear of a game.   They will meet them later in the season.....

-Ski
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Teamski on January 08, 2014, 08:53:26 PM
Ah, well done to Wesley tonight beating CNU 64-46.  The Wolverines' defense was stifling and was helped by a lackluster offensive performance by the Captains.  They now go to 10-1 for the season.  Nice.

-Ski
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on January 09, 2014, 01:21:15 PM
Congrats, Teamski....the defense was good, but stifling would be a stretch, in my opinion.  I think I can sum up CNU's offensive performance w/a quote from Crash Davis in Bull Durham....they couldn't hit water if they fell out of a boat!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Teamski on January 10, 2014, 02:14:24 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on January 09, 2014, 01:21:15 PM
Congrats, Teamski....the defense was good, but stifling would be a stretch, in my opinion.  I think I can sum up CNU's offensive performance w/a quote from Crash Davis in Bull Durham....they couldn't hit water if they fell out of a boat!

I did note the lackluster performance.  I know CNU had a crummy game all around.

-Ski
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Teamski on January 11, 2014, 05:29:55 PM
Wow, what a game!  Wesley has to feel pretty good right now drawing a foul following a turnover with a mere 1.4 seconds left with the game tied at 67-67.  With one of two made, Wesley gave Mary Washington it's first conference loss and closed out the week with wins over two top-25 teams.  Not too shabby. 

Mary Washington is an incredible team.  Even though Wesley matched them in 3 pointers in the end, I was pretty convinced Wesley would lose by that sword as MW was hitting them hard in the first half.  Wesley turned the ball over with 11 seconds left in the game and I felt that pang in my heart that Taylor was going to loft one through the net.  See above for the resulting play.  It will certainly be a challenge to say the least to beat them again this season, but today was Wesley's.  Very proud of the Wolverines for the show they put up today against one hell of a tough and talented team.

-Ski
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Wilsonfan on January 11, 2014, 10:27:02 PM
Did Wesley's James Livingstone get hurt? He is a very good player.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on January 12, 2014, 09:34:13 AM
And the Eagles played without starting post player John Yoxthimer, hopefully he returns soon. Got to make those free throws at the end!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Teamski on January 12, 2014, 09:35:32 AM
Quote from: Wilsonfan on January 11, 2014, 10:27:02 PM
Did Wesley's James Livingstone get hurt? He is a very good player.

I have not a clue.  I noticed that he was off the roster by the Southern Virginia game.  You aren't kidding about being a loss to the team if he doesn't return. 

-Ski
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 12, 2014, 01:54:36 PM
Usually if a player is off the roster... it isn't because of injury... ESPECIALLY this time of year. He is off the online roster.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on January 12, 2014, 09:28:55 PM
HUGE conference loss for CNU yesterday....their lack of an inside game has finally caught up w/them.  Gotta get well in a hurry....big game at MWC Wednesday night!

GO CAPS!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Teamski on January 15, 2014, 11:28:35 PM
Salisbury had Wesley on the ropes there in the second half tonight.  Wesley rebounded from being 11 points down to win the game.  Salisbury is definitely a better team than what its record shows.

-Ski
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on January 16, 2014, 01:07:49 PM
CNU is reeling....one thing, though....how does MW shoot 42 free throws and CNU only 13?  Obviously, they were more aggressive, but that's still a huge disparity....CNU has a must win game on Saturday against Marymount!

GO CAPS! 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on January 18, 2014, 07:07:56 PM
Congrats to UMW's Dylan Farinet for breaking the UMW school record with 42 points today, to go with 12 rebounds, five assists, and no turnovers.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Teamski on January 18, 2014, 07:18:52 PM
Wesley continues its streak with a win over St. Mary's today in face of a tough last minute full court press that caused several turnovers.  Well done Wolverines, well done.

-Ski
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Teamski on January 21, 2014, 12:03:57 AM
Congrads to Wesley reaching #12 for the first time in program history.  Surprised how tough it is for the team to get a better ranking considering how many ranked opponents the Wolverines have hit so far.  That said, I guess that the team doesn't have a consistent year-to-year top-25 presence that a lot of other teams have.  Without that history, it takes a bit more to crack the top 10.......


-Ski
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on January 21, 2014, 09:13:06 AM
Quote from: Teamski on January 21, 2014, 12:03:57 AM
Congrads to Wesley reaching #12 for the first time in program history.  Surprised how tough it is for the team to get a better ranking considering how many ranked opponents the Wolverines have hit so far.  That said, I guess that the team doesn't have a consistent year-to-year top-25 presence that a lot of other teams have.  Without that history, it takes a bit more to crack the top 10.......


-Ski

I wonder if it has anything to do with the question, "If you put Wesley in the top 10, who do you take out?" My guess is that Wesley is deserving of a Top 10 ranking to some voters but those in the top 10 may have done nothing to drop out of it.

Just a guess, Wesley certainly has a nice thing going. Wish them best of luck the rest of the way. They can't have any slip ups between now and 2/3!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Teamski on January 21, 2014, 11:56:53 AM
Quote from: CCHoopster on January 21, 2014, 09:13:06 AM
Quote from: Teamski on January 21, 2014, 12:03:57 AM
Congrads to Wesley reaching #12 for the first time in program history.  Surprised how tough it is for the team to get a better ranking considering how many ranked opponents the Wolverines have hit so far.  That said, I guess that the team doesn't have a consistent year-to-year top-25 presence that a lot of other teams have.  Without that history, it takes a bit more to crack the top 10.......


-Ski

I wonder if it has anything to do with the question, "If you put Wesley in the top 10, who do you take out?" My guess is that Wesley is deserving of a Top 10 ranking to some voters but those in the top 10 may have done nothing to drop out of it.

Just a guess, Wesley certainly has a nice thing going. Wish them best of luck the rest of the way. They can't have any slip ups between now and 2/3!!!


Ahh yes....Cabrini.  Obviously,  Marymount will be tough having given Wesley its only loss so far.  I don't know what opponents the two loss teams went up against, but they must have been ranked for them to remain in the top 10....... Nope, checking a couple teams trashes that idea.  It has to be their top-25 history or something along that line to create an anomaly like that.  Strength of schedule?  Wesley football enjoyed that same sort of favored status from time to time as a result of the consistency it has had at the top.

Regardless, Wesley is really doing the business this year.....

-Ski
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 21, 2014, 12:09:45 PM
Top 10 losses:

1 - UW Stevens Point (undefeated)
2 - Wooster (NAIA #7 Arizona Christian 14-3)
3 - Cabrini (undefeated)
4 - Illinois Wesleyan (#13 Augustana - EDIT: Loras)
5 - WPI (Castleton State on 11/23)
6 - Amherst (Emerson and NAIA Nova Southeastern)
7 - UW-Whitewatear (UW-Stout & UW-Stevens Point)
8 - Wash U. (Carthage and Illinois Wesleyan)
9 - Williams (Southern Vermont on 11/15 and Amherst)
10 - St. Thomas (Pomona-Pitzer on 11/15 and UW-Stevens Point - now St. John's since poll came out)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 21, 2014, 12:11:06 PM
IWU also lost to Loras but yeah, that's the extent of it. Also note that IWU beat Wash U, so that accounts for them staying up where they are.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 21, 2014, 12:11:56 PM
LOL - was just typing away and forgot Loras... fixed :)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: gowesley on January 21, 2014, 05:42:40 PM
Nova Southeastern is actually Division II.  Does anyone know if a team has more wins than Wesley does against ranked teams with them having 4 so far?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Teamski on January 22, 2014, 11:50:16 AM
The snow is going to play havoc with today's games in the CAC.  Wesley got their third postponement of the year for the PS-Harrisburg game tonight.  Those three games are really going to jam the rest of the season without a doubt.

Thanks for the clarifications on the top 10 losses.   +1!

-Ski
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on January 24, 2014, 08:13:07 AM
Mary Washington made a school-record 23 three pointers, including 17 in the first half, in a 113-79 win over Southern Va. on Thursday. UMW's 69 first half points were also a school record.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on January 24, 2014, 08:47:11 AM
Very impressive....is this the best team MW has ever had?

I'm hoping that MW and Wesley are peaking a little early and CNU can win some big games down the stretch....

GO CAPS!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on January 24, 2014, 09:32:18 AM
Wesley luck to squeak one out at Penn State Harrisburg.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Teamski on January 24, 2014, 10:48:36 AM
Quote from: CCHoopster on January 24, 2014, 09:32:18 AM
Wesley luck to squeak one out at Penn State Harrisburg.


No doubt!  That was closer than what I expected.  Wesley seems to like having close games, not really a good habit, but it does help them sharpen their close-game skills.

-Ski
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on January 24, 2014, 10:52:37 AM
I'm not that surprised....CNU lost in OT at PS-H....they've played some good teams pretty close on their home court.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 24, 2014, 10:55:03 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on January 24, 2014, 10:52:37 AM
I'm not that surprised....CNU lost in OT at PS-H....they've played some good teams pretty close on their home court.

Agreed. I don't know a thing about that gym but clearly they are comfortable at home.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on January 24, 2014, 03:29:09 PM
UMW's equal with their best start at 14-2 with 2002-03, when they finished 24-5 and went to the NCAA tourney after winning the CAC tourney. So, yeah, it's right up there with the best.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Teamski on January 28, 2014, 10:55:54 PM
Congrads to Wesley for cracking the top 10!  Well done!

-Ski
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on January 29, 2014, 09:18:50 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 24, 2014, 10:55:03 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on January 24, 2014, 10:52:37 AM
I'm not that surprised....CNU lost in OT at PS-H....they've played some good teams pretty close on their home court.

Agreed. I don't know a thing about that gym but clearly they are comfortable at home.

Saw them play LVC there. It is loud, fans are pretty rowdy (in a good way) they have a live band, at halftime a huge screen drops down and they play highlights..... For a sub 500 team you would think they were nationally ranked the way the gym offers energy. I would say a tough place to play if I were the opposition. Although in the NEAC, they had some nice two teams who beat good opponents in the past 4 years or so.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Teamski on January 29, 2014, 10:08:35 PM
A real nail-biter but Wesley pulled off the revenge against Marymount 78-70 thanks to a strong finish by Langan that put the game away.  His double-double was the real difference in the game.  16-1........  :)

-Ski
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Teamski on February 01, 2014, 05:20:56 PM
And then there was Cabrini...... Wesley's game of the season (albeit non-conference) is soon at hand.  The question of how Wesley matches up to an undefeated perennial powerhouse  will be answered on Monday.    :o

-Ski
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 01, 2014, 11:37:34 PM
The real question is whether it is once again delayed by weather... not looking good.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 02, 2014, 12:44:58 AM
They're calling for 4-6 inches on Monday.  :(
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 03, 2014, 11:12:22 AM
Cabrini and Wesley game has been postponed. No date set.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 03, 2014, 11:43:33 AM
I should become a meteorologist! :)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 03, 2014, 11:48:42 AM
This one is going to get harder and harder to reschedule... in fact... I don't see another date possible.

Cabrini's schedule:
- 2/5 HOME
- 2/10 AWAY
- 2/12 AWAY
- 2/15 AWAY
- 2/17 AWAY
- 2/19 HOME

Wesley's schedule:
- 2/5 AWAY
- 2/8 HOME
- 2/12 AWAY
- 2/15 AWAY
- 2/19 HOME
- 2/22 HOME
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Teamski on February 03, 2014, 02:13:43 PM
Well, that sucks.  We will have to see how it all works out.  They could do a consecutive day game on the 20th, leaving a day between for Wesley to finish off its schedule.

-Ski
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 03, 2014, 02:18:38 PM
You really think either of these teams want to play on back-to-back days at this point in the season especially with conference races on the line? :)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on February 04, 2014, 11:05:27 AM
Game is not happening. More important for Wesley to win the conference than worrying about beating Cabrini. You need home games in the playoffs.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 04, 2014, 01:44:08 PM
Well to be honest... playing Cabrini... especially on the road... win or lose will help Wesley for the NCAA tournament... that being said, at this point in the season and with weather still a factor in the coming week with conference games... neither team needs a distraction when they need to wrap up conference play and be in the driver seats for conference tournaments.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Teamski on February 04, 2014, 05:04:24 PM
It would have been an interesting game to be sure!

.....and big-time congrads to the Wolverines on their #6 ranking.  That is rarefied air for sure!  Well done gentlemen.

-Ski
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on February 04, 2014, 08:49:46 PM
Neat story in tomorrow's USA Today about Wichita State's Gregg Marshall, and his college sparring partner, UMW head coach Rod Wood...
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaab/mvc/2014/02/04/college-basketball-wichita-state-coach-gregg-marshall/5202599/
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on February 05, 2014, 10:53:25 AM
Quote from: mwcsid on February 04, 2014, 08:49:46 PM
Neat story in tomorrow's USA Today about Wichita State's Gregg Marshall, and his college sparring partner, UMW head coach Rod Wood...
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaab/mvc/2014/02/04/college-basketball-wichita-state-coach-gregg-marshall/5202599/

thanks for the share
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on February 05, 2014, 10:57:54 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 04, 2014, 01:44:08 PM
Well to be honest... playing Cabrini... especially on the road... win or lose will help Wesley for the NCAA tournament... that being said, at this point in the season and with weather still a factor in the coming week with conference games... neither team needs a distraction when they need to wrap up conference play and be in the driver seats for conference tournaments.

That's what I pointing towards. Wesley doesn't need any distractions with Mary Wash on their heels for first place in the CAC. I think winning the conference regular season and having home court in CAC playoffs is more important than scrambling to fit a game in vs Cabrini. Wesley (assuming they were to win out and win conference tourney) would be in fine shape for NCAA's- Cabrini is probably the one who could use the SOS boost more so and has a much less challenging road to finish out conference play. Obviously the game is huge but someone will lose and that can absolutely have a chance of a hangover affect after playing what I would think would be a hi energy and emotion game. If I am coaching one of those teams I could care less about getting it rescheduled. I would be more focused on winning out and my conference tourney. Just my thoughts!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on February 06, 2014, 09:36:45 PM
Did York really beat Wesley?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 06, 2014, 09:39:12 PM
They did... one sequence late in the game, Wesley inbounded from a made York basket... rolled the ball all the way up the court to nearly their three-point line... and then the first pass went out of bounds. Unreal. That is a really bad loss for Wesley.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 06, 2014, 09:40:41 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 06, 2014, 09:39:12 PM
They did... one sequence late in the game, Wesley inbounded from a made York basket... rolled the ball all the way up the court to nearly their three-point line... and then the first pass went out of bounds. Unreal. That is a really bad loss for Wesley.

Wow!  :o
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on February 06, 2014, 10:25:52 PM
Dave:

How far down does that drop Wesley in RR's?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ronk on February 06, 2014, 11:28:23 PM
Quote from: CCHoopster on February 06, 2014, 10:25:52 PM
Dave:

How far down does that drop Wesley in RR's?

Probably 1 spot to 3rd, after Mary Washington. We'll see what happens Saturday for the official RRs next Wednesday.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on February 07, 2014, 11:36:11 AM
Quote from: CCHoopster on February 07, 2014, 11:35:07 AM
Quote from: ronk on February 06, 2014, 11:28:23 PM
Quote from: CCHoopster on February 06, 2014, 10:25:52 PM
Dave:

How far down does that drop Wesley in RR's?

Probably 1 spot to 3rd, after Mary Washington. We'll see what happens Saturday for the official RRs next Wednesday.

Messiah and Wesley certainly did not help themselves. Wesley was solidified as #1 or 2 and MEssiah with their SOS and win% was ahead of the second tier pack (Dickinson, Scranton, McDaniel) in the RR's. Messiah probably gets dinged pretty good for Lycoming loss and Wesley goes to #3. However, I wouldn't say Messiah is clearly behind Scranton, Dickinson and McDaniel. I believe their SOS #'s will be better than those 3 and their win % will be the same or maybe better. Should really be interesting. Certainly tightens things up from 4-9 in the RR. No more slip ups for Wesley and Mary Wash and Cabrini can not have a night like Wesley did last night. Landmark, Centennial and CSAC are just not even close to the depth as the CAC then MAC Commonwealth.

Sorry, ignore this, this should have been posted in the Mid Atlantic Chat.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Teamski on February 07, 2014, 02:41:26 PM
Yeah, I watched the Wesley-York game and Wesley definitely did not show up to play whatsoever.  There was a marked lack of intensity throughout the game and Beaver's 3 point shots were daggers.  sigh......

-Ski
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Teamski on February 12, 2014, 05:46:40 PM
Interesting to see Scranton ahead of Wesley in the Regional Rankings and yet it isn't ranked.  I know anomalies happen, but that is pretty big.

-Ski
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 12, 2014, 06:04:13 PM
Quote from: Teamski on February 12, 2014, 05:46:40 PM
Interesting to see Scranton ahead of Wesley in the Regional Rankings and yet it isn't ranked.  I know anomalies happen, but that is pretty big.

-Ski

Regional rankings very numbers-driven, just like football.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Teamski on February 13, 2014, 10:30:58 AM
The Wesley win and Mary Washington loss makes their next confrontation on Saturday THE game of the CAC season.  This ought to be good.

-Ski
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 13, 2014, 05:53:44 PM
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- Pomona-Pitzer MBB coach Charles Katsiaficas
- #15 Wittenberg MBB coach Bill Brown
- #2 Hope WBB coach Brian Morehouse
- Stevenson WBB coach Jackie Boswell
- Maryville WBB coach Darrin Travillian
- Trinity (TX) WBB coach Cameron Hill
- Nazareth MBB coach Kevin Broderick

Show starts at 7 PM EST and will run at least 2:30 tonight.

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Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Teamski on February 15, 2014, 04:40:05 PM
Congrads to Wesley for really taking it to Mary Washington today.  That was the right job at the right time! Well done.  Now Wesley sits atop the CAC alone.......

-Ski
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 20, 2014, 10:59:26 AM
Just have to post about the CNU/ST Mary's game last night. St. Mary's is a class program. It was senior night at CNU and before the game the 2 seniors where escorted to center court and recognized by the CNU fans. The entire time, the St Mary's bench was on their feet applauding. Then 4 players from St Mary's (I'm assuming seniors themselves) met the CNU players as they came of the court and congratulated them. Very classy. Nice touch! I was impressed. It is good to see sportsmanship like that.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on February 20, 2014, 11:27:44 AM
Agreed 85, SMC is a class act....now, for the game.  What the heck is going on w/Cherry and Thorpe?  Cherry has been struggling and Thorpe has really faded....hard to win against good teams when our better players don't show up.  Personally, I think we need to be more aggressive and attack the basket....when a perimeter oriented team is not hitting their shots, you have to try and make something happen.

I know the CAC is tough this year, but the second half of the season has been a disappointment....
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 20, 2014, 04:14:16 PM
I was thinking the same thing. Daly has really stepped into the role, but he needs help. Can you imagine if Biberaj didn't transfer to ODU? He starts with Daly coming off the bench.....and a few minutes when they play together. Our inside game would be huge! But I can't wait to see how Daly progresses in his career. He is going to have a nice career!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 20, 2014, 04:17:40 PM
Swish - I just looked at the regional rankings. Shaking my head. Look at the teams ranked that we beat, and one we lost by 2. Shaking my head.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on February 20, 2014, 04:59:56 PM
Don't get me started on Biberaj....his loss really hurt us this year.  As you said, though, I think Daly will have had a nice career once everything's said and done.  CNU has had some nice wins, but their inconsistency and the level of competition w/in the conference has caused a few more losses than what we're accustomed to.  Unfortunately, the regional rankings are a very number driven process....even though CNU has lost eight games, I feel confident that they could beat a lot of the teams that are ranked. 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 20, 2014, 06:05:31 PM
You may have confidence they can beat them... but to some extent they have proven they can't.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on February 20, 2014, 10:32:09 PM
They've won some big games and lost some big games....when they're on, they can compete w/any team in the mid-atlantic.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 20, 2014, 11:09:46 PM
And that is the problem unfortunately... and what a lot of teams will say about themselves.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on February 21, 2014, 01:16:20 PM
BUT, a lot of those other ranked teams weren't/aren't facing CAC competition night in and night out....I'm new to the mid-atlantic region, but I feel like Scranton, Cabrini and Messiah would have more losses against better competition.  Personally, I'd have Wesley as the top team in the region....I'm too lazy to go back and look, but I think some of the other ranked teams were/have been Dickinson, Stevenson, Alvernia, Hood and so on.  I'm admittedly biased, but I think CNU would match up well w/any of them, and they're currently tied for fourth place in the CAC.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CardsFan on February 21, 2014, 03:18:15 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on February 21, 2014, 01:16:20 PM
BUT, a lot of those other ranked teams weren't/aren't facing CAC competition night in and night out....I'm new to the mid-atlantic region, but I feel like Scranton, Cabrini and Messiah would have more losses against better competition.  Personally, I'd have Wesley as the top team in the region....I'm too lazy to go back and look, but I think some of the other ranked teams were/have been Dickinson, Stevenson, Alvernia, Hood and so on.  I'm admittedly biased, but I think CNU would match up well w/any of them, and they're currently tied for fourth place in the CAC.

I will admit I've only seen CNU in person once this season, but I am very impressed with how hard they play on the defensive end. They play in a tough conference and so I somewhat agree with the point that they could match-up well with the ranked teams. It also seemed to me that the roster is kinda young and so I don't see CNU being down for long.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 21, 2014, 03:22:16 PM
I think you are discounting the other conferences a bit. I have been on record saying this is the deepest and best year the CAC has had in its history... but think about that for a second... this is the best season - not the ones in the 90's and such. The top of the MACC and Landmark are always tough and the MACC has proven to have a ton of depth in the last few years. I think CNU would be faring just as well as they are now in the CAC in those two conferences. In the Centennial they may be closer to the top and battling with Dickinson.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 21, 2014, 03:25:24 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 21, 2014, 03:22:16 PM
I think you are discounting the other conferences a bit. I have been on record saying this is the deepest and best year the CAC has had in its history... but think about that for a second... this is the best season - not the ones in the 90's and such. The top of the MACC and Landmark are always tough and the MACC has proven to have a ton of depth in the last few years. I think CNU would be faring just as well as they are now in the CAC in those two conferences. In the Centennial they may be closer to the top and battling with Dickinson.

Having 10 teams helps make it deep, especially since one of the rankable teams was in a different league in the '90s. :)

One thing working against CNU this year is that they have to get used to playing in a bunch of new gyms, and against a bunch of teams they haven't seen before. The rest of the league only has to prepare for a couple new teams. (Debatable on how much one has to prepare for Southern Virginia this year, so I leave them out of my "couple" reference.)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ronk on February 25, 2014, 10:18:40 AM
 Here's background on Wesley's David Langan - http://www.mycentraljersey.com/article/20140224/NJSPORTS02/302240065
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Teamski on February 25, 2014, 03:20:09 PM
I hate to say this, but I wonder if it wouldn't be in Wesley's best interest to host the home playoff games somewhere else than at Wentworth Gymnasium.  It is completely inadequate for amount of people that want to watch the games there.  I was thinking Central Middle School with its new field house. 

-Ski
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Teamski on February 25, 2014, 03:22:58 PM
Quote from: ronk on February 25, 2014, 10:18:40 AM
Here's background on Wesley's David Langan - http://www.mycentraljersey.com/article/20140224/NJSPORTS02/302240065

I've been incredibly impressed with Langan's transformation from a slow, heavy freshman into a trimmed down Senior with the ability to assert himself under the net.  Absolutely amazing.  When he got hurt and redshirted, I figured his future was limited.  How wrong was I?!?

-Ski
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 25, 2014, 03:47:15 PM
Wesley won't do it... from what I have heard they don't believe they have the resources to host at another location... especially for the NCAA. And if they aren't willing to do it for the NCAA, I doubt they would be willing to do it for anything else.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on February 26, 2014, 10:57:44 AM
Good discussion/commentary, gentlemen....it's a shame that this board is so quiet, as the CAC is one of the toughest conferences in the country this year.  Has there been another conference w/4 top 25 teams at the same time this season?

Teamski,

Your boys must go down, and they must go down hard!

GO CAPS!

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 26, 2014, 11:45:59 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on February 26, 2014, 10:57:44 AM
Good discussion/commentary, gentlemen....it's a shame that this board is so quiet, as the CAC is one of the toughest conferences in the country this year.  Has there been another conference w/4 top 25 teams at the same time this season?

Teamski,

Your boys must go down, and they must go down hard!

GO CAPS!

Yes... I believe the NCAC did it a few weeks ago... and the NESCAC may have knocked on the door of doing it.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 26, 2014, 03:08:18 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on February 20, 2014, 10:32:09 PM
They've won some big games and lost some big games....when they're on, they can compete w/any team in the mid-atlantic.

CNU is 3-4 against regionally ranked teams....unless I missed a team. Beat RMC and VWC. Lost to Emory. Split with Mary Washington and were swept by Wesley.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Teamski on February 26, 2014, 09:14:03 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on February 26, 2014, 10:57:44 AM
Good discussion/commentary, gentlemen....it's a shame that this board is so quiet, as the CAC is one of the toughest conferences in the country this year.  Has there been another conference w/4 top 25 teams at the same time this season?

Teamski,

Your boys must go down, and they must go down hard!

GO CAPS!

Them is fightin' words!   :(

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on February 27, 2014, 08:35:19 AM
It's all in good fun....wish I could be there!

GO CAPS!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 27, 2014, 04:21:53 PM
Going to be an interesting evening. Working out with my trainer until 7...then home to shower, eat, watch a recorded TV show - all while following the CNU men and women hoops teams - who start at 7. I hope there is a commercial break on the TV show at the same time as timeouts in the games long enough to run to the fridge in the garage and bring in a handful of "beers". Multi-tasking at its best.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Teamski on February 28, 2014, 01:14:38 AM
Congrads to CNU for the win over Wesley.  The Wolverines played like....well you know.   :P

-Ski
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 28, 2014, 08:16:06 AM
Thanks for the Congrats, Teamski. It is always difficult to beat a team 3 times in the same season. And that was the only thing I thought about before the game. Wesley was 10-0 at home this year and ranked #10.....I doubt the season is over for the Wolverines!

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on February 28, 2014, 09:13:31 AM
Thanks, Teamski....what a defensive brawl, huh?  CNU actually shot the ball worse than Wesley did....don't worry, the Wolverines should easily get a pool c bid.  Now, let's see if the Captains can finish the job tomorrow....guess who will be there?  ;D

GO CAPS!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on March 01, 2014, 09:39:14 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on February 28, 2014, 09:13:31 AM
Thanks, Teamski....what a defensive brawl, huh?  CNU actually shot the ball worse than Wesley did....don't worry, the Wolverines should easily get a pool c bid.  Now, let's see if the Captains can finish the job tomorrow....guess who will be there?  ;D

GO CAPS!

Nice Swish! I thought about going, but my track record with going on the road to CNU games of any kind is not very good. So they have better chance if I don't attend.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on March 01, 2014, 10:03:26 AM
No worries, we'll have the live video in 1080 HD at http://umweagles.com/live
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on March 02, 2014, 04:40:00 PM
Quote from: mwcsid on March 01, 2014, 10:03:26 AM
No worries, we'll have the live video in 1080 HD at http://umweagles.com/live

Thanks! I was enjoying a weekend in the OBX and followed live stats. Congrats to MWC! Good luck in the NCAA tourney.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on March 03, 2014, 09:57:42 AM
Yeah, the championship game didn't go CNU's way, but I enjoyed the experience.  The Eagles really hit some big shots in the second half to pull away towards the end.  UMW has a really nice facility, although the touch of red as an accent color was a little different.  I actually attended Mary Washington for a semester about twenty years ago, so I did a little reminiscing, which was fun.

Congrats to UMW on their tournament championship....they've got a nice team.  Good luck to them and Wesley in the NCAA tournament....speaking of the big dance, I was somewhat surprised/excited to see that D3Hoops had projected CNU to receive a pool c bid.  I hope they're right....that would be awesome!

GO CAPS & CAC!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Teamski on March 03, 2014, 04:30:46 PM
Good luck to Wesley in their first round game against Alvernia.  Sorry that CNU didn't make the cut.  Now to see if the Wolverines can win their first ever NCAA Tournament game to get past the first round!!

-Ski
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on March 04, 2014, 01:35:06 PM
ditto UMW, also looking for NCAA Tourney win #1
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Teamski on March 08, 2014, 04:36:00 PM
A belated congratulations to Wesley for their first NCAA tournament victory ever!  Now to see if they can repeat it tonight against Virginia Wesleyan!

-Ski
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Teamski on March 08, 2014, 09:43:10 PM
Well, Wesley's season ended tonight unfortunately but congrads on one hell of a season! 

-Ski
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on March 14, 2014, 04:49:25 PM
Congrats to Wesley on a great season....good luck to UMW tonight!

GO CAC!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on March 18, 2014, 01:42:31 PM
Congrats Wesley!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on August 11, 2014, 05:27:51 PM
http://cnusports.com/news/2014/8/11/MBB_0811141224.aspx (http://cnusports.com/news/2014/8/11/MBB_0811141224.aspx)

CNU men's hoops team is in Costa Rica this week! In a way, it feels like hoops season!!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on August 14, 2014, 08:47:03 AM
F&M is scheduled to go to Costa Rica in the fall.  Must be the place to go this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on August 14, 2014, 02:23:22 PM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on August 14, 2014, 08:47:03 AM
F&M is scheduled to go to Costa Rica in the fall.  Must be the place to go this year.

Seems like it. On CNUSPORTS.COM the team is blogging about their experience down there.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on October 27, 2014, 02:29:54 PM
I saw where CNU is ranked #24 in the preseason poll....that was a pleasant surprise, but I'm not sure I agree.  If they win their home opener against R-MC, that would go a long way towards convincing me that they're a top 25 team to begin the year.

GO CAPS!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 19, 2014, 07:59:37 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on October 27, 2014, 02:29:54 PM
I saw where CNU is ranked #24 in the preseason poll....that was a pleasant surprise, but I'm not sure I agree.  If they win their home opener against R-MC, that would go a long way towards convincing me that they're a top 25 team to begin the year.

GO CAPS!

Great game! CNU wins!!! Were you there? I was at beginning of game, had to leave to go talk to a group of students, then came back when it was 45-44 CNU....
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Seahawk Pride on November 19, 2014, 09:02:11 AM
The Seahawks started their season off on a good note as they dominated Bridgewater 76-58 at the EMU tipoff.  Senior Nick Laguerre led the way with 20 points, while junior 6th man Troy Spurrier chipped in with 10 points and 11 rebounds.  The Seahawks lead ballooned to 24 with a minute and a half to go as Coach Harney emptied his bench.

On Sunday the Seahawks played host EMU in a great game, but lost 82-80.  The game took a strange turn when, with 2 minutes to go and the Seahawks up 6 with the ball, SMCM was hit with a technical foul on Macgyver Biniak, and then a phantom technical foul on Coach Chris Harney.  EMU then scored on the ensuing posession.  So the Hawks went from having the ball up six to having the ball tied with 2 minutes left.  Seahawks junior forward Donya Jackson had a good look from 12 feet to tie the game, but the ball rimmed out.  It was a hard-fought battle between two very good teams that could meet in the NCAA tourny later in the year.  David Falk is an athletic monster, and could be starting at most mid-major programs in the country.  He finished with 15 points and 10 rebounds.  EMU played prodominently full-court pressure man-to-man for the entire second half as the SMCM played mostly half court man-to-man.  Many of the fans that made the drive to Harrisonburg had a hard time swallowing the 15-3 foul differential in the second half as well as the 39-15 FT differential for the game.

The Seahawks are back at it tonight as they take on Del Valley on the road.  I hear that Del Val has a 6-9 transfer from Pepperdine.  Does anyone know if he can play?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on November 19, 2014, 09:14:43 AM
Yep, I was there, but I was so mad at the end of regulation, I left....I felt like CNU gave the game away, and I figured we'd lose in overtime w/out Daly and Carter.  I didn't want to sit there and watch the young Captains lose a heartbreaker, but to their credit, they found a way to win in OT.  I can't ever remember leaving a CNU game before it was over, but my emotions got the best of me....that was a huge win for a team w/14 freshmen and sophomores against a senior heavy R-MC.  During the game, I thought CNU reminded me of Virginia Wesleyan....undersized, but athletic and scrappy.  We'll see if they can sustain their level of play from last night....congrats, and good luck, Captains!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on November 19, 2014, 09:26:34 AM
It sounds like that was a tough loss for the Seahawks....I got a first hand look at LaGuerre last year, and he's the real deal.  Once it's all said and done, I wouldn't be surprised if he was the CAC player of the year.  Obviously, I'm hoping CNU will win the conference, but I think he's the most talented individual in the CAC....
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Seahawk Pride on November 19, 2014, 10:56:14 AM
CNU picks up the seasons first big win for the CAC!!!!  Great job!  Should be a good battle this year between SMCM and CNU!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Seahawk Pride on November 19, 2014, 10:57:15 AM
Was anyone at the UMW game the other night?  I heard there was some interesting officiating in that game.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Teamski on November 19, 2014, 04:00:05 PM
Well, Wesley has had a pretty slow start 0-2.  It seems to be a rebuilding year this year for sure.

-Ski
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Seahawk Pride on November 20, 2014, 10:32:04 AM
St. Mary's drops a tough one on the road 80-79 to Del Val.  The Seahawks had a chance to take the lead late, but missed the front end of a 1 and 1 with 5 seconds to go.  LaGuerre had 31 but did not have a lot of help offensively.  They now stand at 1-2, and next travel to snowmagedden (Buffalo, NY) for a tourny this weekend.  3 new starters and a few freshman playing large roles takes time to gel.  Harney is up to the task.  Good Luck SMCM!  It's time to get back to winning.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on November 23, 2014, 10:21:22 PM
Well, CNU really took one on the chin earlier today at Lynchburg.  I figured it would be a tough game, but I didn't anticipate the whipping they received....CNU is young, so I'm hoping they'll learn from this and continue to improve.

GO CAPS!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 24, 2014, 12:51:37 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on November 23, 2014, 10:21:22 PM
Well, CNU really took one on the chin earlier today at Lynchburg.  I figured it would be a tough game, but I didn't anticipate the whipping they received....CNU is young, so I'm hoping they'll learn from this and continue to improve.

GO CAPS!

I checked the stats yesterday and thought it was wrong. I'm like you - was thinking it would be a tough game, not a total destruction!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on December 04, 2014, 09:44:43 AM
Well, that was probably the ugliest game I ever witnessed!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on December 04, 2014, 10:26:55 AM
Thank goodness I wasn't there....as they say, a win is a win, I guess.  I didn't see Mike Cherry's name in the box score for last night....hope he didn't quit.  This Saturday should be an interesting game at Frostburg....they beat R-MC in Ashland this past weekend.

GO CAPS!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on December 04, 2014, 02:37:22 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on December 04, 2014, 10:26:55 AM
Thank goodness I wasn't there....as they say, a win is a win, I guess.  I didn't see Mike Cherry's name in the box score for last night....hope he didn't quit.  This Saturday should be an interesting game at Frostburg....they beat R-MC in Ashland this past weekend.

GO CAPS!

He was in a coat and tie on the bench. No injury. So i'm assuming disciplinary action.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Seahawk Pride on December 06, 2014, 09:42:06 AM
St. Mary's got back into the win column on Wednesday as they ran out to an insurmountable lead of 31 points a few minutes into the second half.  We were led by Leguere who finished with 29 points.  He is truly playing out of his mind right now.  It looks like the Seahawks are starting to gel as the season goes on.  They have 11 new players from last year and they seem to be learning how to play together.  Today will be a great test as they travel to undefeated Marymount.  It should be a great game.  That is always a tough place to play.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: spartanfan13 on December 06, 2014, 09:44:43 PM
York College has a very young team this year with no seniors and only one junior.  They won their second game today, but I think they are going to take their lumps this season.  I do have 2 questions that I hope someone can answer.  What happened to Ryan Beaver?  He played opening weekend tournament, but is no longer on roster.  Why wasn't Tyler Alcid getting any minutes the first couple games?  he didn't look injured to me and seems to have given them a little spark. 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on December 15, 2014, 10:30:02 AM
Week 1...CNU defeats #11 Randolph Macon from the ODAC by 1 in OT.
Last night....CNU loses to #11 Va Wesleyan from the ODAC by 1 in OT

Gotta love sports!! Yesterday CNU did not have their #1 scorer in the lineup due to injury (Daly)..... The previous 2 games CNU found a way to win without their only Senior on the floor (Cherry).

I really like this team this year!!!! They find ways to play hard and win even with key components missing. And only 1 senior and a slew of FR and SO.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ecrugger on December 17, 2014, 11:37:43 AM
For the CNU fans, here is a follow-up to a great kid who left CNU to chase a dream, Nik Biberaj: http://hamptonroads.com/2014/12/odu-division-iii-transfer-nik-biberaj-living-his-dream
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on December 18, 2014, 01:36:27 PM
Thanks for the link, ecrugger....watched Nik play last night against Georgia State.  I still cringe when I think about how good CNU would have been if he had stayed....

On a different note, CNU suffered another tough loss at Salisbury last night....looked to be a really ugly game for both teams.  I'm disappointed that CNU lost, but w/Daly still out, that's a huge void to fill consistently.  I can only hope that he'll return sooner than later....
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on December 19, 2014, 01:16:12 PM
Looked as though both the Lady Caps and the men, were more focused on the break than hoops!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on January 07, 2015, 12:33:37 PM
Geez, this board is dead....come on folks, let's get some chatter going!  Even though the conference isn't nearly as strong this year, it's going to be a fierce battle between CNU, Marymount and St. Mary's for supremacy.  I can see Mary Washington, Salisbury and Wesley pulling some mild upsets along the way, but I look for the previous three that I mentioned to be on top.

GO CAPS!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Seahawk Pride on January 08, 2015, 11:40:45 AM
The Seahawks took their four-hour bus trip to Frostburg, with snow falling, and picked up a hard fought win.  They did not play well in the first half, but outscored FSU by 20 in the second half.  The FSU coach took out his starters with 5 minutes to go as he waved the white flag.  This is the first of 3 straight tough road games for SMCM.  Next week they travel to CNU and then Wesley.  Both are very difficult places to play.  It seems as though the Seahawks have settled in and are playing their best basketball of the year.  When you add 11 new players it takes time to gel.  Anyone at the Wesley/MMT game this weekend?  Sounds like a tough game.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 08, 2015, 03:24:26 PM
Looking forward to the Salisbury game at CNU!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 08, 2015, 03:26:19 PM
Quote from: Seahawk Pride on January 08, 2015, 11:40:45 AM
The Seahawks took their four-hour bus trip to Frostburg, with snow falling, and picked up a hard fought win.  They did not play well in the first half, but outscored FSU by 20 in the second half.  The FSU coach took out his starters with 5 minutes to go as he waved the white flag.  This is the first of 3 straight tough road games for SMCM.  Next week they travel to CNU and then Wesley.  Both are very difficult places to play.  It seems as though the Seahawks have settled in and are playing their best basketball of the year.  When you add 11 new players it takes time to gel.  Anyone at the Wesley/MMT game this weekend?  Sounds like a tough game.

I know what you mean about new players. 13 of the 18 on the roster for CNU are either Freshmen or Sophomores!! Only 1 Senior.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on January 12, 2015, 02:52:46 PM
Okay, folks, there will be a first place showdown on Wednesday night at the Free....should be a good one!

GO CAPS!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Seahawk Pride on January 12, 2015, 04:13:41 PM
St. Mary's seemed to sleep walk through  a painful game to watch at home vs Southern VA.  SVA played their butts off, but SMCM is just too talented even when they are obviously looking to the Wednesday showdown at CNU.  It should be a good one.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 13, 2015, 09:55:50 AM
I don't think CNU has ever beaten St. Mary's! I think CNU is 0-6 going back about 8 years and are 0-5 under Coach K.

3 of the last 4 games have been decided by less than 10 points. I hope I can make the game!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on January 14, 2015, 12:47:56 PM
St. Mary's leads the all time series 8-6, and has won the last six....hoping that will change tonight!

GO CAPS!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 14, 2015, 09:49:37 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on January 14, 2015, 12:47:56 PM
St. Mary's leads the all time series 8-6, and has won the last six....hoping that will change tonight!

GO CAPS!

It changed!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on January 15, 2015, 10:29:14 AM
Indeed....now that looked like a battle for first place!  Talk about an intense game....very tough and physical.  I haven't seen Marymount play, but I feel pretty confident saying that LaGuerre will easily win the conference POY award....that kid is good.

GO CAPS! 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 15, 2015, 10:38:33 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on January 15, 2015, 10:29:14 AM
Indeed....now that looked like a battle for first place!  Talk about an intense game....very tough and physical.  I haven't seen Marymount play, but I feel pretty confident saying that LaGuerre will easily win the conference POY award....that kid is good.

GO CAPS!

True! I didn't go to the game but watched on my ipad. He couldn't be stopped - when he was in the game.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Seahawk Pride on January 19, 2015, 01:14:45 PM
Big win by CNU over my Seahawks!  The game in MD should be another good battle.  I missed the game, but I heard it was very physical both ways.  SMCM rode Nick to a win at Wesley.....that is a difficult place to play for sure!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on January 19, 2015, 04:18:13 PM
CNU led most of the game at Marymount, but couldn't hang on in the end....still lots of ball to be played, so buckle up folks!  The center for Marymount is huge....should easily be averaging a double double.  Another big conference game against Mary Washington Wednesday night....they don't have a good record, but they've lost a lot of close games.

GO CAPS!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Seahawk Pride on January 22, 2015, 09:41:25 AM
St. Mary's survived a sluggish first half where they were down by as many as 12 points, and trailed by nine at the break, to win going away.  The halftime score was 40-31 York.  SMCM then turned it on and held YCP to 15 total points in the second half of the game.  Brooks had 25 points in the second half alone and finished with 36 for the game.  The final was 74-55.  This sets up a match for first place with Marymount.  If the Seahawks can get the win there would be a three-way tie for first place in the CAC.  It should be fun.

Go Hawks!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on January 22, 2015, 11:20:42 AM
I think "survived" was the key word last night, as CNU was able to fend off Mary Washington just enough to get the win.  I will be a Seahawk fan on Saturday!

GO CAPS!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 24, 2015, 09:29:34 PM
Three way tie for first place again! This is going to be fun! I think St. Mary's is in the best position. They have CNU at home. Marymount has to travel to CNU. Will be interesting. And an upset by Salisbury, Mary Washington or Wesley is quite possible. That would really make things interesting.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Seahawk Pride on January 28, 2015, 04:00:56 PM
St. Mary's has a huge game tonight at Salisbury.  The Seagulls have been on a roll as of late and SMCM doesn't typically shoot it well at SU.  Should be a great game. 

Go Seahawks!!!!

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on January 29, 2015, 08:52:16 AM
That was a big win for St. Mary's and a HUGE loss for CNU at Southern Virginia....here's an idea; when you can't hit the broad side of a barn, how 'bout working it inside for a higher percentage shot?  Tim Daly was virtually nonexistent, and didn't really look to score, which is baffling....I think SVU is better than their record, but that was probably the worst loss in Coach K's time at CNU, given the opponent and the stakes.  CNU will likely have to win out to win the regular season, which will be tough....St. Mary's definitely has the advantage going forward.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Seahawk Pride on January 29, 2015, 12:07:08 PM
Big win for the Hawks in a historically tough place to play for SMCM!  Salisbury gave us everything they had, but came up just short.  Both teams played their tales off for 40 minutes.  St. Mary's has really battled through adversity in that they only have 2 starters that began the season as starters in h this game.  I believe that shows the depth that Harney has amassed through successful recruiting.  Spurrier and Leguere really showed up in the second half to get the game within reach.  The Seahawks also got some help last night from SVU and Wesley.  I watched the last 10 minutes of the  SVU vs CNU game.  SVU played really hard and it looks like that gym could be tough to shoot in.  I felt that anytime CNU got into the paint good things happened, but it is tough to tell good shooters not to take open shots.  It should be a really entertaining last 6 games of conference play.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Seahawk Pride on January 29, 2015, 12:08:16 PM
Are there fans for other CAC schools that read this page but don't respond?  It would be fun to get some different perspectives on here....COME ON AND POST!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Seahawk Pride on February 02, 2015, 01:20:18 PM
LaGuere has a great night for St. Mary's with 29 points.  Spurrier chipped in with 20 and Brooks had 16.  PS-Harrisburg played really hard and  kept it close throughout.  Big road game for Wednesday at UMW.  Wednesday nights games are below.  Any score guesses?

SMCM @ UMW =  SMCM 88-67
SU @CNU =   SU 82-79
SVU @ MMT =  MMT 70-65
YCP @ WC =  Wesley 82-60 
FSU @ PSH  = FSU 67-59

GO HAWKS!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on February 02, 2015, 04:48:14 PM
Predicting the upset at CNU, huh Pride?  A Salisbury win wouldn't shock me, but CNU has been pretty good at home....your boys better be careful at Mary Washington.  The Eagles are playing better and they're at home, so you never know, but I predict a close win for the Seahawks.

GO CAPS!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Seahawk Pride on February 02, 2015, 04:56:32 PM
You are correct Swish, but I think Salisbury is playing really well right now.  In my mind it would be an upset, but that comes with the parity in division 3.  It would be cool to have our Senior day game versus CNU to decide the regular season title.  UMW is playing well too.  Should be a great game! 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on February 03, 2015, 08:38:21 AM
The regular season could very well come down to that game, which would be a tough one for CNU, but there's a lot of ball still left to play.  The loss at Southern Virginia will likely end up haunting CNU down the road....
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Seahawk Pride on February 04, 2015, 11:24:36 AM
A lot can happen in the CAC.  Should be a fun last few weeks!

GO HAWKS!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Seahawk Pride on February 04, 2015, 12:30:43 PM
Any chance that a CAC team will be regionally ranked in week one?  My guesses for rankings this week:

1. Dickinson
2. JHU
3. F & M
4. CUA
5. SMCM (assuming 2 wins this week)
6. Scranton
7. Stevenson

CNU would be in 5th without the SVU game.

Thoughts?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 04, 2015, 12:56:09 PM
FYI - only six teams will be ranked in the Mid-Atlantic Region now thanks to regional realignment.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Seahawk Pride on February 04, 2015, 03:07:00 PM
The Seahawks just added another game versus Alfred State next week to fill one of the two they lost over the break due to their tourny getting cancelled from snow.  Will the Alfred State game be a regional game?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ronk on February 04, 2015, 03:46:52 PM
Quote from: Seahawk Pride on February 04, 2015, 03:07:00 PM
The Seahawks just added another game versus Alfred State next week to fill one of the two they lost over the break due to their tourny getting cancelled from snow.  Will the Alfred State game be a regional game?

  Only games submitted on the school's original schedule will be considered for tournament selection(Pool C), so, since the regional rankings exist for tournament selection, one would think that the Alfred game will not be considered, in-region or not.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ronk on February 04, 2015, 03:50:44 PM
Quote from: Seahawk Pride on February 04, 2015, 12:30:43 PM
Any chance that a CAC team will be regionally ranked in week one?  My guesses for rankings this week:

1. Dickinson
2. JHU
3. F & M
4. CUA
5. SMCM (assuming 2 wins this week)
6. Scranton
7. Stevenson

CNU would be in 5th without the SVU game.

Thoughts?

  I'll take a shot at it after the games tonite. I see we're down to 4 conferences in the Mid-Atlantic now - Centennial, MAC-Commonwealth, CAC, and Landmark.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 04, 2015, 04:08:31 PM
Here's an approximation of where things stand at the moment - he ranks to 40 places in each region.  These are obviously more accurate the closer you get to the end of the season, but those SOS number matter a lot.

http://tomaroonandgold.blogspot.com/p/division-iii-mens-regional-rankings.html

Alvernia has the highest in the region, so even at 11-7, they're going to have a place, I think.  At least they would right now.

We heard in Dave's interview with the national committee chair that they're looking at approximately .03 on the SOS equating to two wins.  If that holds up here, it would put Alvernia and Catholic in a virtual dead heat.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 04, 2015, 04:11:57 PM
Quote from: ronk on February 04, 2015, 03:46:52 PM
Quote from: Seahawk Pride on February 04, 2015, 03:07:00 PM
The Seahawks just added another game versus Alfred State next week to fill one of the two they lost over the break due to their tourny getting cancelled from snow.  Will the Alfred State game be a regional game?

  Only games submitted on the school's original schedule will be considered for tournament selection(Pool C), so, since the regional rankings exist for tournament selection, one would think that the Alfred game will not be considered, in-region or not.

And Alfred State is only in its second year as a provisional Division III member, so it shouldn't be considered anyway.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ronk on February 05, 2015, 12:16:46 AM
Quote from: ronk on February 04, 2015, 03:50:44 PM
Quote from: Seahawk Pride on February 04, 2015, 12:30:43 PM
Any chance that a CAC team will be regionally ranked in week one?  My guesses for rankings this week:

1. Dickinson
2. JHU
3. F & M
4. CUA
5. SMCM (assuming 2 wins this week)
6. Scranton
7. Stevenson

CNU would be in 5th without the SVU game.

Thoughts?

  I'll take a shot at it after the games tonite. I see we're down to 4 conferences in the Mid-Atlantic now - Centennial, MAC-Commonwealth, CAC, and Landmark.

  1. Johns Hopkins(by virtue of head-head win over Dickinson)
  2. Dickinson
  3. Catholic
  4. Scranton
  5. F&M
  6. St.Mary's
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Seahawk Pride on February 05, 2015, 09:47:47 AM
Big win last night at Mary Washington.  Shaw was unstoppable, but Laguere shut down Taylor Johnsonto balance out is outburst.  Laguere held Johnson to 5 points though the first 35 minutes of the game and ended up with 12.  Laguere is an absolute beast.  In my opinion it should be an easy conversation for POY in the CAC.  Salisbury is playing really well right now and knocked off CNU last night.  Seahawks host Frostburg on Saturday in a game that has huge playoff implications.

picks for Wednesday:
SMCM @ UMW =  SMCM 88-67
SU @CNU =   SU 82-79
SVU @ MMT =  MMT 70-65
YCP @ WC =  Wesley 82-60
FSU @ PSH  = FSU 67-59

I went 5/5 but some of my scores were terrible.  I should know that at this time of the year there aren't a ton of blowouts in the CAC.

Alvernia should have been in my first regional rankings group, but with their loss to Messiah it probably knocks them out anyway.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on February 05, 2015, 10:36:10 AM
Geez, how many games is CNU going to blow this season?  CNU played w/out their leading scorer and had to scratch and claw to stay w/in striking distance....long story short, Salisbury's point guard makes a miraculous circus shot to tie the game in regulation as time ran out.  Do our guys practice free throws?  Has anyone seen Tim Daly?  Feeling frustrated.... >:( 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Seahawk Pride on February 05, 2015, 11:02:26 AM
Sounds like an amazing ending to regulation.  That brings up the old question.....do you foul down 3?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on February 06, 2015, 09:21:01 AM
Well, I think CNU did have a foul or two to give, which is unusual, but they didn't do it....personally, I'm not sure that strategy is beneficial.  I guess the idea is to interrupt the other team's possession, but that would also allow them to set up an out of bounds play.  I think you just let 'em play and let the chips fall....I'm sure others would disagree.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 06, 2015, 10:25:26 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on February 04, 2015, 04:08:31 PM
Here's an approximation of where things stand at the moment - he ranks to 40 places in each region.  These are obviously more accurate the closer you get to the end of the season, but those SOS number matter a lot.

http://tomaroonandgold.blogspot.com/p/division-iii-mens-regional-rankings.html

Alvernia has the highest in the region, so even at 11-7, they're going to have a place, I think.  At least they would right now.

We heard in Dave's interview with the national committee chair that they're looking at approximately .03 on the SOS equating to two wins.  If that holds up here, it would put Alvernia and Catholic in a virtual dead heat.

... and of course considering all of the other data and criteria in play. He was just comparing two of them side-by-side... the two that get the most attention. Let's not forget other details... like Catholic actually only has two regional/Division III losses. There is also common opponents and down the road vRRO (not next week, though).

Also, Jeff Burns did say that .03 is two "games" (not necessarily two wins) and that it doesn't automatically translate to .06 being four games.

Quote from: ronk on February 04, 2015, 03:46:52 PM
Quote from: Seahawk Pride on February 04, 2015, 03:07:00 PM
The Seahawks just added another game versus Alfred State next week to fill one of the two they lost over the break due to their tourny getting cancelled from snow.  Will the Alfred State game be a regional game?

  Only games submitted on the school's original schedule will be considered for tournament selection(Pool C), so, since the regional rankings exist for tournament selection, one would think that the Alfred game will not be considered, in-region or not.

Not that an exception can't be made and approved by the committee when a team loses two games due to circumstances outside of their control. The point is mute here as the game doesn't matter in the long run any way (won't count towards criteria or SOS - which is a good thing, because otherwise this is an unwise decision by SMC - it would kill their SOS).

Quote from: ronk on February 05, 2015, 12:16:46 AM

Quote from: ronk on February 04, 2015, 03:50:44 PM
Quote from: Seahawk Pride on February 04, 2015, 12:30:43 PM
Any chance that a CAC team will be regionally ranked in week one?  My guesses for rankings this week:

1. Dickinson
2. JHU
3. F & M
4. CUA
5. SMCM (assuming 2 wins this week)
6. Scranton
7. Stevenson

CNU would be in 5th without the SVU game.

Thoughts?

  I'll take a shot at it after the games tonite. I see we're down to 4 conferences in the Mid-Atlantic now - Centennial, MAC-Commonwealth, CAC, and Landmark.

  1. Johns Hopkins(by virtue of head-head win over Dickinson)
  2. Dickinson
  3. Catholic
  4. Scranton
  5. F&M
  6. St.Mary's

I disagree with JHU being ahead of Dickinson based on their head-to-head. I am not sure that one game would trump a difference in .05 in the SOS (Dickinson: .551 / JHU: .504 based on Tuesday's numbers).
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 06, 2015, 12:01:19 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on February 05, 2015, 10:36:10 AM
Geez, how many games is CNU going to blow this season?  CNU played w/out their leading scorer and had to scratch and claw to stay w/in striking distance....long story short, Salisbury's point guard makes a miraculous circus shot to tie the game in regulation as time ran out.  Do our guys practice free throws?  Has anyone seen Tim Daly?  Feeling frustrated.... >:(

That was an ugly game. CNU was 5-14 from the line!!!!!!!! WTH? Just go 6-14 and we win the game in regulation. I had court side seats. Something was off with Cherry for that game. Even his passes were not crisp like they usually are. I wonder if he was sick, or just had an off game. It wasn't like him at all. Having injuries is hurting us since we are so young. We have 1 Sr and 1 Jr suiting up. The rest are So and Fr. To have the record we have is pretty good considering the circumstances. Weatherell is missing games due to concussion. Now Carter is hurt. Not sure what has happened to Daly. If I recall properly, he was leading scorer before the winter break at about 16 ppg.

On the positive side, I like what I see on the bench. Burrows has stepped up HUGE! Logan Miller is getting good minutes. McFarland is playing at the level Carter was. I can see Regimbal being a team leader. Brown is fast and intense on the court. Plays hard. I really like this team, even though they are struggling right now!

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Seahawk Pride on February 06, 2015, 12:49:45 PM
Thank you for the clarification Dave.  I was concerned that the newly-added Alfred State could potentially damage SMCMs strength of schedule, so I was happy to see that it would not.  Every game is a big one down the stretch.  Here are my picks for tomorrow:

WC @ CNU - CNU 76-74
YCP @ MMT - MMT 72-65
FSU @ SMCM - SMCM 86-69
UMW @ SU - SU 73-69
PSUH @ SVU - SVU 75-72

A few tough games to pick there.  I wavered with UMW @ SU, but I ended up picking SU because they were home.  Both teams are playing well right now.  Look for WC to try to pull the upset, but again I went with the home team to hold in a really close game.  SVU vs Harrisburg should be a fun game of two teams that play really hard for a full 40 minutes.  I am not looking forward to playing them on the final day of the season....  Any predictions?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ronk on February 07, 2015, 11:05:13 PM
 Regional ranking forecast(after today's games)

1. Johns Hopkins
2. Catholic
3. Dickinson
4. Scranton
5. St. Mary's
6. F&M
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 08, 2015, 04:09:13 PM
ronk - you are seriously discounting the SOS... I think there are some strong arguments to flip those around with SOS numbers and head-to-heads coming to bear.

Johns Hopkins might stay ahead of Dickinson based on the head-to-head and the difference of one loss... however, the difference in SOS is JHU .505 and Dickinson .550 - that is over the .03 the committee will use to compare a two game reference. In other words, make JHU 17-4 and Dickinson 20-1 (not a perfect way they would do it, but using for arguments sake) and thus the head-to-head win might not keep JHU ahead of Dickinson.

Catholic currently has an SOS of .471... I can not imagine they are in second especially ahead of Dickinson and others with their SOS that low.

Now, there are certainly other criteria at play... I just don't think it ends up like you have it. My stab at it without looking at other factors:

1 - Dickinson
2 - Johns Hopkins
3 - Catholic
4 - Scranton
5 - St. Mary's
6 - Stevenson (better SOS than F&M who has a single WL difference)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: jesskleangda on February 08, 2015, 06:14:36 PM
Alright - I'm new on here and ready to discuss the CAC!  UMW fan!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Seahawk Pride on February 08, 2015, 09:27:51 PM
Welcome jesskleangda!  It will be good to have another school represented on this board!  SMCM played a decent game on Saturday as Laguere put on a show once again.  He missed an amazing dunk that sent him to the line when he had his legs taken out from under him.  He calmly went to the line and made two free throws.

Game scores and picks below for Wednesday

SU @ WC - WC 75-72
SVU @ FSU - FSU 69-65
SMCM @ YCP - SMCM 82-70
CNU @ UMW - UMW 79-75
PSUH @ MMT - MMT 75-66

It is always tough to play at Wesley so I am picking an upset there.  I also think that UMW is playing pretty well and they will catch CNU looking past them.  Thoughts?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: jesskleangda on February 09, 2015, 12:08:29 PM
It appears to me that UMW is building a team that will compete for a league title next year.  Very young, and improving greatly game by game.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Seahawk Pride on February 10, 2015, 10:01:56 AM
Pat:

Is there any way to find out if Nick Laguere was nominated for team of the week this week?  He had an impressive week and I thought he would have a good shot at that honor.  He is currently 15th in the nation in scoring, but this week he was great:

24.5 points, 4.5 assists, 3.0 rebounds, and 3.0 steals per contest while shooting 15-of-16 (93.8%) from the free throw line in a 2-0 week.

Thanks!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 10, 2015, 11:29:49 AM
I know I've answered these questions in the past, but we don't answer them anymore. Looks like he also had a very good week!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Seahawk Pride on February 10, 2015, 11:34:19 AM
I understand.  I just thought I would ask.  Thanks
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 10, 2015, 06:43:52 PM
Quote from: jesskleangda on February 09, 2015, 12:08:29 PM
It appears to me that UMW is building a team that will compete for a league title next year.  Very young, and improving greatly game by game.

They probably will with Coach Kahn at the helm. He did a fantastic job at Cabrini and I'm sure that he'll continue that success with UMW.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: jesskleangda on February 11, 2015, 12:01:00 PM
Coach Kahn definitely has this program headed in the right direction.  I followed his program at Cabrini and it was nothing short of amazing what he was able to accomplish (best record in the country his final five years).  With UMW's facilities, and academics, hopefully he can replicate that success.  Any kid seeing those facilities and Coach K's success rate, will have to be impressed.  Who wouldn't want to be a part of the future at UMW!?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 11, 2015, 02:27:16 PM
Regional Rankings are out: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2015/02/11/first-regional-rankings-released-today/ (http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2015/02/11/first-regional-rankings-released-today/)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on February 11, 2015, 04:49:04 PM
Very solid win for CNU over Wesley, especially since 2 of their starters didn't play....they may not play tonight at MWU, which is another huge game coming down the stretch.

GO CAPS!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Seahawk Pride on February 12, 2015, 11:56:30 AM
St. Mary's slept through the first half, but crushed York in the first 5 minutes of the second half.  The commentators were blaming the refs for the loss, but SMCM shot 73% in the second half.  You could hear YCP's coach complaining about every call.  The refs did call the game very tight, but it looked to be consistent, but only SMCM adjusted to the way they were calling the game.  Both teams were in the bonus with 12 minutes to go.  SMCM now plays Alfred State today at 5pm, and then is home on Saturday versus Wesley College.

Thoughts on the regional rankings?  Losses by Dickinson, Scranton, Stevenson, and a win by Eastern Mennonite should help SMCM for next week.  The downfall for SMCM is their lack of games versus regionally ranked opponents....
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 12, 2015, 12:29:48 PM
St. Mary's might have a problem... their game against Alfred State may count towards criteria even though Alfred State is a provisional year two school. We are working to figure out if this is the case or not (remember, Southern Virginia did not count as a P2 school last year, but there were some changes in the provisional rules we are trying to get clarification on). If Alfred State counts towards criteria, SMC - even with a win - will take a huge SOS hit. If Alfred State does NOT count towards primary criteria (only counting towards the 70% in-region number of games), SMC will be okay... and that is all with the provision that the added game will be approved by the national committee (which you think they would do based on the fact SMC lost two games outside of their control).
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Seahawk Pride on February 12, 2015, 01:58:16 PM
From my understanding it will be treated like a game versus a team outside of division 3, but if you learn different please let us know.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 12, 2015, 02:04:19 PM
Yes... that is the confusion. By one definition that is how it is treated - though it would be on their overall record in secondary criteria. However, there was a change to how P1 and P2 are considered - allowing them to count towards the 70% in-region numbers - that has seemed to also indicate they are counting towards SOS and in-region WL%. That is the confusion. We have inquired to the NCAA who has been very good at getting back to us/me in a timely manner. We will share what we learn when we learn it.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Seahawk Pride on February 12, 2015, 02:06:10 PM
Thanks!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 12, 2015, 04:58:00 PM
OK... the confusion was based on some miscommunication - I misunderstood what was being relayed to me.

The Alfred State game will not count towards primary criteria, but will be available in the overall record looked at in secondary criteria.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Seahawk Pride on February 12, 2015, 10:06:12 PM
Thank you, Dave.  I appreciate the extra home work to see if the mid-week trip was going to harm my Seahawks.

SMCM prevails 91-58 in a game that could have been much worse if coach Harney wanted to really crush the.  13 players played over 10 minutes tonight at Alfred State.  Laguere finished with 17 points, six rebounds, three assists and two steals in 20 minutes of action. 

The Hawks will be back in action at home versus Wesley on Saturday.  Every game late in the season is a big one.  Anyone want to pick games for Saturday?  I was 5/5 on Saturday and then 3/5 on Wednesday (picked two upsets that didn't happen).
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 13, 2015, 02:52:51 PM
I will say this about the Alfred State game... St. Mary's I don't think needed it. I know they were scrambling to find games to make up for the lost tournament especially since last year having Southern Virginia as games that technically didn't count may have hurt SMC's chances at the post-season... but unless the committees get to secondary criteria and an extra win is beneficial... I am not sure I would have added that game - especially on the road (8 hours on a bus).
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on February 13, 2015, 03:40:06 PM
CNU's been a little unfortunate w/the injury bug lately, but I look for them to win a close one against Marymount tomorrow, which would then set up a big clash at St. Mary's.  If the Captains can get by Marymount, hopefully everyone would be healthy by Wednesday....

GO CAPS!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Seahawk Pride on February 15, 2015, 02:13:27 PM
SMCM really dominated Wesley on Saturday as they celebrated the senior day for Laguerre, Jordan, and MacGuiver.  It was a really physical game from start to finish.  The CNU win gives SMCM a little bit of wiggle room as they now have a 2 game lead in the loss column in the CAC.  This sets up a big game at home versus CNU on Wednesday.  It should be a fantastic game and an opportunity for some pay back from the Seahawks loss at CNU earlier in the season. 

A big congratulations to coach Chris Harney who tallied his 200th win in his fist ten years as the head coach at SMCM.  What an unbelievable feat for a coach to average over 20 wins over his first ten years!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on February 16, 2015, 10:01:55 AM
Even if CNU beats St. Mary's on Wednesday, I don't see them losing at Southern Virginia, so the Seahawks practically have the number 1 seed wrapped up.  At a minimum, the Captains need to stay out of that number 4 seed....how big was that SVU loss?!?!

GO CAPS! 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Seahawk Pride on February 16, 2015, 11:24:43 AM
Does anyone know who would hold the tie breakers if there is a tie (two-way or three-way)?  Should be a huge game this Wednesday at home versus CNU.  SMCM is playing pretty well right now and they don't usually lose at home (undefeated this year) and an amazing record over Coach Harney's career at home.  I wonder where SMCM will rank in the regional rankings on Wednesday.  They had a 3-0 week and four of the teams ahead of them lost once.  I am also eager to see if they creep into the top 25 on D3Hoops.  They sit in 12th on Bennett rank. 

Swish:  SVU has been playing everyone tough lately.  Should be a tough get on the road....especially on their Senior Day.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 16, 2015, 11:47:40 AM
Quote from: Seahawk Pride on February 16, 2015, 11:24:43 AM
Does anyone know who would hold the tie breakers if there is a tie (two-way or three-way)?  Should be a huge game this Wednesday at home versus CNU.  SMCM is playing pretty well right now and they don't usually lose at home (undefeated this year) and an amazing record over Coach Harney's career at home.  I wonder where SMCM will rank in the regional rankings on Wednesday.  They had a 3-0 week and four of the teams ahead of them lost once.  I am also eager to see if they creep into the top 25 on D3Hoops.  They sit in 12th on Bennett rank. 

Swish:  SVU has been playing everyone tough lately.  Should be a tough get on the road....especially on their Senior Day.

If there's a three-way tie (I assume you mean for second, in this case) and all three teams are 1-1 against each other - the next tiebreaker is record against other teams in the conference from top to bottom.  If that still doesn't sort things out, it's a coin toss.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Seahawk Pride on February 16, 2015, 12:10:51 PM
Thanks!  I hate the thought of a coin toss deciding anything, but I understand....
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 16, 2015, 12:14:42 PM
Better than the old way of having a predetermined number order - drawn at the beginning of the academic year and used for every single sport.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 16, 2015, 04:25:16 PM


I get going top to bottom for ties below first place - but it's never made much sense to me to reward a championship based on losing to the worst teams.  That's essentially what happens - two teams finish 12-2, say - they beat each other.  But team A's other loss is to the worst team in the conference, while team B lost to the 3rd place squad.  With a top-to-bottom tiebreaker, Team A get the championship.

I'd personally rather give it to the team who lost to the best teams, not the one who lost to the worst.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: 7express on February 16, 2015, 04:32:43 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on February 16, 2015, 04:25:16 PM


I get going top to bottom for ties below first place - but it's never made much sense to me to reward a championship based on losing to the worst teams.  That's essentially what happens - two teams finish 12-2, say - they beat each other.  But team A's other loss is to the worst team in the conference, while team B lost to the 3rd place squad.  With a top-to-bottom tiebreaker, Team A get the championship.

I'd personally rather give it to the team who lost to the best teams, not the one who lost to the worst.

Over in the LEC if Plymouth State & Southern Maine finished tied for last, should we punish Plymouth State and give them the 8 seed because they were able to beat the #1 team Eastern Connecticut, and Southern Maine finishes 0-2 against them??  Those head-to-head top to bottom tiebreakers work both ways too.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 16, 2015, 06:20:24 PM
Quote from: 7express on February 16, 2015, 04:32:43 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on February 16, 2015, 04:25:16 PM


I get going top to bottom for ties below first place - but it's never made much sense to me to reward a championship based on losing to the worst teams.  That's essentially what happens - two teams finish 12-2, say - they beat each other.  But team A's other loss is to the worst team in the conference, while team B lost to the 3rd place squad.  With a top-to-bottom tiebreaker, Team A get the championship.

I'd personally rather give it to the team who lost to the best teams, not the one who lost to the worst.

Over in the LEC if Plymouth State & Southern Maine finished tied for last, should we punish Plymouth State and give them the 8 seed because they were able to beat the #1 team Eastern Connecticut, and Southern Maine finishes 0-2 against them??  Those head-to-head top to bottom tiebreakers work both ways too.

Right, that's why I said it makes sense if the tie is in the middle of the pack, it just doesn't make sense for teams below.  I'd simply make it an extra tiebreaker - go through the teams above you top to bottom and the teams below you bottom to top.  It's not really any more complicated than what is there now and a lot more fair (in my opinion).
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Seahawk Pride on February 16, 2015, 08:24:22 PM
So with the new Top 25 out today I see that the voters do not think SMCM is in their Top 42 teams in the nation.  Bennett has them at #13 this week.  I will be curious to see where they will be ranked within their region on Wednesday.  I think it will probably be #5 but we will see.

1.  JHU
2.  Dickinson
3.  Catholic
4.  F & M
5.  SMCM
6.  Scranton

Thoughts?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 16, 2015, 08:50:57 PM

I think St. Mary's is just going to have to prove something in the tournament to get that recognition.  Those two bad losses at the beginning of the season are very tough to overcome, especially when the conference isn't as stellar overall as it has been.  Beating CNU will help, as would running through the conference tournament.  Having only four losses overall should garner some attention, but the schedule just isn't necessarily strong enough - no signature wins - to get national attention right now.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 16, 2015, 09:02:27 PM
Yeah... I keep looking at SMC and don't see things that make me want to put them in my Top 25. And right now their SOS appears to be a .482 and that isn't very good (though, I am double-checking that number). That points out that honestly they should have a better record.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Seahawk Pride on February 16, 2015, 09:59:15 PM
SMCMs losses are to:

@ EMU- 15-8 (8-6) 4th in ODAC  - (EMU was 1-0 at that time)
@ DVC- 13-10 (8-4) tied for 2nd in MAC - (DVC was 0-2 at that time)
@ MMT- 18-5 (12-4) tied for 2nd in CAC - (MMT 6-0 at that time)
@ CNU-  17-6 (12-4) tied for 2nd in CAC - (CNU 10-3 at that time)

Another big win at the time that does not look as good now is their game at Widener.  Widener at that time was getting votes nationally and was 8-2.  Who was to know that they would win one more game since?

SMCM also does not have one non-league game at home.  Are there any other teams in the country that do not have any non-league home games?  I am sure it is tough to get games for SMCM with the consistent success they have had under coach Harney.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 16, 2015, 10:04:12 PM
Believe it or not... that might be Harney knowing how to solve his SOS problem the bottom of the conference is giving him. Road games have a multiplied of 1.25 and neutral games are 1.0... home games are .75... so it doesn't hurt to play on the road as long as you play good teams and you come away with victories.

Those losses are ho-hums... nothing that Top 25 voters look at and say, "well, that's not bad." Really it's, "so what, that doesn't help their argument."
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 16, 2015, 11:28:29 PM
Quote from: Seahawk Pride on February 16, 2015, 08:24:22 PM
So with the new Top 25 out today I see that the voters do not think SMCM is in their Top 42 teams in the nation.  Bennett has them at #13 this week. 

Bennett who?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Seahawk Pride on February 18, 2015, 02:23:10 PM
Winners for tonight....any takers?

WC @ PSUH:  WC 75-65
CNU @ SMCM: SMCM 78-72
Salisbury @ MMT: SU 80-71
FSU @ YCP: YCP 70-66
SVU @ UMW: SVU 69-65

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Seahawk Pride on February 19, 2015, 08:45:15 AM
The Seahawks wrapped up the CAC regular season championship last night as they defeated a very tough CNU team that beat them earlier in the season.  It was a very physical game all 40 minutes, and looked to be very difficult to referree as both coaches were unhappy with calls throughout the game.  Laguerre showed once again why he is the unanimous CAC POY with last nights performance.  In the deciding game for the CAC championship he finished with 33 points. 7 rebounds, 5 assists in playing all 40 minutes.  He shot 11/16 from the field, 6/8 from the 3 and 5/6 from the free throw line.  He really should be looked at as an All-American.  He is one of the best division 3 players I have ever seen.  Coach Harney's system allows guys to put up numbers their senior years.  If Laguerre would have played in a system that ran plays for him for four years he would have been a 2k scorer.  Coach Harney has a "system" that if you are open you shoot the ball, so guys do not normally get enough shots to put up the numbers needed for post-season awards.  I hope that changes this year.

This could be a fun rematch next Thursday night as these two teams could have a rematch in the CAC semi's.  It should be fun!

Go Hawks!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Seahawk Pride on February 19, 2015, 08:46:46 AM
I will also take a stab at regional rankings prior to last nights games:

1- JHU
2- Dickinson
3- Catholic
4- SMCM
5- Scranton
6- F & M

Thoughts?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on February 19, 2015, 09:24:16 AM
Congratulations, Pride, your boys played one heck of a game....as I mentioned at the start of the season, LaGuerre is the man.  Assuming CNU and Marymount win on Saturday, it will be interesting to see how that tie breaker turns out....if CNU were to make it to the conference semifinals, I think I'd rather see them play at Salisbury than St. Mary's.  Either team would be a tough game....

GO CAPS!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ronk on February 19, 2015, 09:50:30 AM
Quote from: Seahawk Pride on February 19, 2015, 08:46:46 AM
I will also take a stab at regional rankings prior to last nights games:

1- JHU
2- Dickinson
3- Catholic
4- SMCM
5- Scranton
6- F & M

Thoughts?

From my posting on the Gen Mid-Atlantic Board:

I'll move my regional ranking prediction to this board:

1. Catholic  20-2   2-1(vrro)
2. Johns Hopkins 20-3  2-2
3. Dickinson  19-4  3-1
4. F&M  19-4  2-2
5. Scranton  18-5   0-2
6. St. Mary's 17-4  0-0

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Seahawk Pride on February 19, 2015, 10:03:45 AM
Rankings are out:

JHU
Dickinson
CUA
F & M
Scranton
SMCM

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 19, 2015, 10:42:41 AM
Week 2's regional rankings made an early appearance today: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/?p=2630 (http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/?p=2630)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: jesskleangda on February 19, 2015, 01:33:18 PM
Am I right that UMW clinched a playoff spot last night?  If so, it is a spectacular accomplishment in light of how the season started.  They are a dangerous team now that they seem to be hitting shots.  We are starting to see what Coach Kahn can do for this program.  Very young team and Shaw is becoming a beast.  A consistent winner and league contender is finally on the horizon.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on February 19, 2015, 03:16:25 PM
They're currently in the sixth spot....even if they lose at Wesley, they'll likely be okay, 'cause I don't see Marymount losing at Frostburg State.  I'd definitely rather play Wesley than Mary Washington right now....
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: jesskleangda on February 19, 2015, 08:13:03 PM
If Frostburg and UMW end up with the same conference record - what is the tie-breaker?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 19, 2015, 10:27:56 PM
Quote from: jesskleangda on February 19, 2015, 08:13:03 PM
If Frostburg and UMW end up with the same conference record - what is the tie-breaker?

If the head to head is a draw, then they'll go top-to-bottom against each team individually.

If Frostburg wins and Mary Washington loses (the only way for them to tie), Frostburg should get the spot, thanks to the win over Wesley (if I'm counting games correctly).
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: jesskleangda on February 19, 2015, 11:31:21 PM
Umw should get the spot then because they beat marymount - if I am understanding the tie-breaker.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 19, 2015, 11:48:22 PM
Quote from: jesskleangda on February 19, 2015, 11:31:21 PM
Umw should get the spot then because they beat marymount - if I am understanding the tie-breaker.

Right, but if the two teams are to be tied, Frostburg will have to beat Marymount Saturday, thus making them tied there as well - if that happens, it'll come down to Wesley, and Frostburg will get it.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: jesskleangda on February 20, 2015, 11:46:18 AM
Touche hoops fan
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Seahawk Pride on February 22, 2015, 11:56:32 AM
Pretty cool story from Saturday.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/weather/st-marys-college-basketball-team-pushes-bus-out-snow-n310341
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 22, 2015, 05:23:06 PM
Congrats to UMW and Coach Kahn for making the conference playoffs after such an inauspicious start to the season.  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: jesskleangda on February 22, 2015, 06:06:56 PM
Thanks Mailsy- like he did at Cabrini - UMW will become a national player.  Congrats to Cabrini for winning CSAC reg. season title.  Good luck in tourney.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 22, 2015, 06:20:11 PM
Quote from: jesskleangda on February 22, 2015, 06:06:56 PM
Thanks Mailsy- like he did at Cabrini - UMW will become a national player.  Congrats to Cabrini for winning CSAC reg. season title.  Good luck in tourney.

Your welcome and thank you.  :) Good luck to your team as well.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 22, 2015, 08:56:13 PM
Quote from: jesskleangda on February 22, 2015, 06:06:56 PM
Thanks Mailsy- like he did at Cabrini - UMW will become a national player.  Congrats to Cabrini for winning CSAC reg. season title.  Good luck in tourney.

Wonder how many Aaron Walton-Mosses there are out there for D-III schools ...
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 22, 2015, 09:15:22 PM
Well, as long as some coaches circumvent the rules & just "happen" to be in the gym when certain potential adult students to be decide to play a 'pickup" game, I'm guessing there will be more.
Perhaps in the not too distant future...UMW may just have one of their own.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 22, 2015, 09:53:42 PM
Curious as to what rule was "circumvented" that you're talking about?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on February 23, 2015, 09:48:38 AM
Oh well, CNU got the 4th spot....if they beat Wesley tomorrow night, it will set up a rematch at St. Mary's on Thursday.

GO CAPS!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Seahawk Pride on February 23, 2015, 09:52:53 AM
PLAYOFF TIME!

Seeds are as follow:
1. SMCM
2. SU
3. MMT
4. CNU
5. WC
6. UMW

Congrats to SMCM on their regular season Championship and a first round bye.  Another 20 win season in the books for coach Harney.  Now we look ahead for the first round of the playoffs tomorrow:

Wesley @ Newport-  Wesley 73-68
Mary Wash @ Marymount- Mary Wash 76-70

Picking two upsets.  Thoughts?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on February 23, 2015, 10:01:54 AM
You seem to pick a lot of upsets, Pride....is that because you think it will truly happen, or are you trying to start some conversation?  I like both home teams to win tomorrow night....

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Seahawk Pride on February 23, 2015, 11:42:55 AM
Swish.  Active boards are fun as long as it is done with respect for the other programs.  Both teams tomorrow have good home court advantages, but Wesley is dangerous and UMW is playing better as of late.  I actually had a hard time picking winners, so decided to pick upsets in the hope that it would get this conversation going.  Why do you think it will be CNU?  Freshman typically play better at home.  Cherry was awesome at SMCM last week, and looked like he did when he was a sophomore.

Saratoga are you saying they were cheating at Cabrini?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: jesskleangda on February 23, 2015, 11:51:15 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 22, 2015, 08:56:13 PM
Quote from: jesskleangda on February 22, 2015, 06:06:56 PM
Thanks Mailsy- like he did at Cabrini - UMW will become a national player.  Congrats to Cabrini for winning CSAC reg. season title.  Good luck in tourney.

Wonder how many Aaron Walton-Mosses there are out there for D-III schools ...

Nevermind that Cabrini was resurrected prior to AWM arriving.  Coach had the best record in the NATION over the past 5 years - I don't believe AWM had 6 years of eligibility.  Your better than that Pat.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 23, 2015, 12:01:49 PM
Quote from: jesskleangda on February 23, 2015, 11:51:15 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 22, 2015, 08:56:13 PM
Quote from: jesskleangda on February 22, 2015, 06:06:56 PM
Thanks Mailsy- like he did at Cabrini - UMW will become a national player.  Congrats to Cabrini for winning CSAC reg. season title.  Good luck in tourney.

Wonder how many Aaron Walton-Mosses there are out there for D-III schools ...

Nevermind that Cabrini was resurrected prior to AWM arriving.  Coach had the best record in the NATION over the past 5 years - I don't believe AWM had 6 years of eligibility.  Your better than that Pat.

Hi, welcome to the boards. I think it's pretty silly to write off AWM's contribution to that entirely, isn't it? You're probably better than that yourself.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 23, 2015, 02:29:37 PM
Quote from: Seahawk Pride on February 23, 2015, 11:42:55 AM
Swish.  Active boards are fun as long as it is done with respect for the other programs.  Both teams tomorrow have good home court advantages, but Wesley is dangerous and UMW is playing better as of late.  I actually had a hard time picking winners, so decided to pick upsets in the hope that it would get this conversation going.  Why do you think it will be CNU?  Freshman typically play better at home.  Cherry was awesome at SMCM last week, and looked like he did when he was a sophomore.

Saratoga are you saying they were cheating at Cabrini?

CNU is 11-2 at home. I was thinking about the season so far. We beat Randolph Macon, who is now the #1 team in the nation. Lost to current #10 Va Wesleyan in OT by 1. But then lose to SVU. To me it means this...current roster...13 Sophomores and Freshmen. 2 JR and 1 Sr.  - very young team and very talented. There will be ups and downs more so than experienced, senior laden teams. Take the last game as an example...on the road..... 34 of the 66 points were by Freshmen. Another 17 by Sophomores. Only 5 by the lone senior. I hope these guys stick together a few more years. Will be fun to watch.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: jesskleangda on February 23, 2015, 11:11:58 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 23, 2015, 12:01:49 PM
Quote from: jesskleangda on February 23, 2015, 11:51:15 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 22, 2015, 08:56:13 PM
Quote from: jesskleangda on February 22, 2015, 06:06:56 PM
Thanks Mailsy- like he did at Cabrini - UMW will become a national player.  Congrats to Cabrini for winning CSAC reg. season title.  Good luck in tourney.

Wonder how many Aaron Walton-Mosses there are out there for D-III schools ...

Nevermind that Cabrini was resurrected prior to AWM arriving.  Coach had the best record in the NATION over the past 5 years - I don't believe AWM had 6 years of eligibility.  Your better than that Pat.

Hi, welcome to the boards. I think it's pretty silly to write off AWM's contribution to that entirely, isn't it? You're probably better than that yourself.

Nothing I said was a complete write-off of AWM's contributions, just like it wasn't a write-off of Lemons, Rafferty, Knowles, et al.  But, your "silly" insinuation that Coach may not have the same success because there are not many AWM's out there ignores his success prior to AWM; and during the national title game run when AWM was a frosh only playing 1/2 the season.  Obviously AWMs don't come around often but coaches continue to be successful nonetheless.  Let's not forget that Cabrini has lost 9 games this season - they only lost 10 in AWM's first three seasons with Coach Kahn.  So, again, Mr. Coleman, you are better than that.  I generally appreciate your opinion and contributions to these boards. 

I would even say this season is one of Coach Kahn's most impressive seasons considering the rebuilding he took over and the way the season started.  The coming seasons will be interesting in the CAC.  Lots of talent and good coaches.

Thanks for the forum.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 24, 2015, 10:59:21 AM
No doubt Cabrini has struggled -- I believe they have had other injuries and issues and I understand AWM himself wasn't even healthy earlier this season.

You took my throwaway comment and really blew it up. Congrats. But I still think there's a difference between Cabrini when it was just Lemons, and Cabrini when it was Lemons, overlapping with, then followed by AWM.

That's the difference between building a team and beginning to build a program. You can't build a program around just one stud player -- you need to have someone to follow that guy. That's where it begins to have a chance to sustain itself. That's what it takes, in my observation, to earn the label "a national player."

Hope that makes sense.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 24, 2015, 11:44:14 PM
Mary Washington upsets Marymount 63-61. Now how bout that?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 24, 2015, 11:59:15 PM
I'd be lying if I told you I didn't see that coming...
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 25, 2015, 08:17:27 AM
Quote from: mailsy on February 24, 2015, 11:44:14 PM
Mary Washington upsets Marymount 63-61. Now how bout that?

Two teams headed in very different directions.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Seahawk Pride on February 25, 2015, 10:30:46 AM
I picked two upsets, and almost had them both.  MMT really struggled to end the season when Konadu went down with an injury.  He was their heart and soul, and I was not surprised to see them lose early.  Why would they not go to Hoelich on that last shot????  Wesley took a brief lead on CNU in the last 2 minutes, but CNU made a few HUGE shots down the stretch to win the game.  Congrats to the Captains and I look forward to a rematch from last weeks regular season game at SMCM.  It should be a great game tomorrow!  Gotta love post season hoops!

Go Hawks!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on February 25, 2015, 11:03:28 AM
Okay, Pride, we get to do it again....will you be picking an upset this time?  ;)

GO CAPS!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Seahawk Pride on February 25, 2015, 11:33:01 AM
Congrats Swish!  Unfortunately I will not be picking an upset for tomorrow ;).  It should be fun though.

Go Hawks!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 25, 2015, 11:43:28 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on February 25, 2015, 08:17:27 AM
Quote from: mailsy on February 24, 2015, 11:44:14 PM
Mary Washington upsets Marymount 63-61. Now how bout that?

Two teams headed in very different directions.

Well... Marymount based on the loss of a key player and Mary Wash because the team and coach are most likely finally on the same page (not to mention starting from a nearly cupboards bare situation).
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: jesskleangda on February 25, 2015, 12:20:38 PM
Last night was a fun night in CAC.  Congrats to CNU and UMW.  Shaw continues to develop into a force for UMW - now that he is consistently hitting the mid-range jumper. 

Surprised to see Wesley take 20 more shots than CNU and lose by 6. 

GO EAGLES.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on February 25, 2015, 01:21:04 PM
Quote from: Seahawk Pride on February 25, 2015, 11:33:01 AM
Congrats Swish!  Unfortunately I will not be picking an upset for tomorrow ;).  It should be fun though.

Go Hawks!

Agreed; it should be interesting....I expect the second half to be nip and tuck this time.

How crazy would it be if CNU and UMW won, setting up a rematch at CNU for all the marbles?  I know, I know....it's a long shot, but that would be amazing!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 25, 2015, 01:57:33 PM
Final public men's basketball regional rankings are out: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2015/02/25/final-public-ncaa-regional-rankings-released/ (http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2015/02/25/final-public-ncaa-regional-rankings-released/)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 26, 2015, 09:40:05 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on February 25, 2015, 01:21:04 PM
Quote from: Seahawk Pride on February 25, 2015, 11:33:01 AM
Congrats Swish!  Unfortunately I will not be picking an upset for tomorrow ;).  It should be fun though.

Go Hawks!

Agreed; it should be interesting....I expect the second half to be nip and tuck this time.

How crazy would it be if CNU and UMW won, setting up a rematch at CNU for all the marbles?  I know, I know....it's a long shot, but that would be amazing!

Wasn't as crazy as you thought. If UMW hits a few more threes, it would have happened.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on February 26, 2015, 10:46:52 PM
You're right, 85, it was close....wow, what a great win for the Captains tonight!  Everyone played well....McFarland's 3s were huge!  On to Salisbury....CNU really owes them one.  We'll see if they can win another tough road game....the boys are hungry!

GO CAPS!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Seahawk Pride on February 27, 2015, 09:38:48 AM
Swish,

Congrats on the huge win.  It was a hard-fought game and the Captains really dominated the Seahawks down the stretch behind great three point shooting.  I know it is a long shot, but I hope the NCAA committee gives SMCM a look.  Good luck versus SU on Saturday!

Go Hawks!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 27, 2015, 11:00:29 AM
Quote from: Seahawk Pride on February 27, 2015, 09:38:48 AM
Swish,

Congrats on the huge win.  It was a hard-fought game and the Captains really dominated the Seahawks down the stretch behind great three point shooting.  I know it is a long shot, but I hope the NCAA committee gives SMCM a look.  Good luck versus SU on Saturday!

Go Hawks!

I hope so too! Regionally ranked. 20 wins. We will find out soon!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: jesskleangda on February 27, 2015, 01:38:10 PM
Quote from: Seahawk Pride on February 27, 2015, 09:38:48 AM
Swish,

Congrats on the huge win.  It was a hard-fought game and the Captains really dominated the Seahawks down the stretch behind great three point shooting.  I know it is a long shot, but I hope the NCAA committee gives SMCM a look.  Good luck versus SU on Saturday!

Go Hawks!

I agree - I've gotta believe SM is in. 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 27, 2015, 03:35:05 PM
I can't see a scenario where SMC is in... they went into the CNU game with an SOS of .480... there is no way the CNU game will raise that SOS to or above .500 and that is the baseline I have been using to determine if a team has a chance... below .500 and chances are probably none. Also, they were already sixth in the regional rankings... the loss won't move them up... in fact it will probably remove them from the rankings. I highly doubt the Mid-Atlantic will see so many at-large teams selected (the region has average-at-best SOS numbers) that they go off the rankings to the next team (say SMC) in line.

Sorry... but SMC's season is done. They needed to beat CNU and be in the championship game to have a reasonable chance at an at-large bid.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on February 27, 2015, 10:09:56 PM
Quote from: Seahawk Pride on February 27, 2015, 09:38:48 AM
Swish,

Congrats on the huge win.  It was a hard-fought game and the Captains really dominated the Seahawks down the stretch behind great three point shooting.  I know it is a long shot, but I hope the NCAA committee gives SMCM a look.  Good luck versus SU on Saturday!

Go Hawks!

Thanks, Pride....you're right, CNU's three point shooting was definitely the difference.  It sounds like St. Mary's season is over, which is a shame....years ago, a 22-5 CNU team didn't get in.  Congrats on another fine season....SMC is a classy program, and I have nothing but respect for them.

GO CAPS!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 28, 2015, 06:55:08 PM
What can I say? Congrats to Salisbury. I made the road trip to wactch this game. Another good season for CNU. Was glad I was there to watch Cherry's last game for the Captains. I hope this team returns all the players. Cherry was the only senior. This team is scary good for all the freshmen and Sophs. Good luck to SU in the dance. 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on March 02, 2015, 10:23:05 AM
CNU played well enough to win, and should have won, but I guess it wasn't meant to be....definitely another good season, especially given their youth.  Thanks for the memories, Mike....you're one heck of a player and fun to watch!

For SU's sake, as well as the CAC's, I hope they don't have to play Illinois Wesleyan in the first round....that would be a very tough draw.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on March 02, 2015, 11:16:45 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on March 02, 2015, 10:23:05 AM
CNU played well enough to win, and should have won, but I guess it wasn't meant to be....definitely another good season, especially given their youth.  Thanks for the memories, Mike....you're one heck of a player and fun to watch!

For SU's sake, as well as the CAC's, I hope they don't have to play Illinois Wesleyan in the first round....that would be a very tough draw.

I believe SU and Marymount are young as well.....should be another battle for top spot next year. I hope SU gets a decent pairing and can make some noise.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: givengo on March 02, 2015, 11:21:27 AM
Saw Salisbury play twice in their tournament at the beginning of the season.  They won over Bryn Athn--not a world beater, by 6 in a closely contested game, then lost to Dickinson by a wide margin.  I would not have picked them at that point to be a force in their league.  What changed?  I'd love to hear from someone who knows the team on what came together for them for a run after what looks like a rough start.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 02, 2015, 11:56:14 AM
Quote from: givengo on March 02, 2015, 11:21:27 AM
Saw Salisbury play twice in their tournament at the beginning of the season.  They won over Bryn Athn--not a world beater, by 6 in a closely contested game, then lost to Dickinson by a wide margin.  I would not have picked them at that point to be a force in their league.  What changed?  I'd love to hear from someone who knows the team on what came together for them for a run after what looks like a rough start.

I saw Sailsbury last season at the Hoopsville tournament - playing almost exclusively freshmen and sophs, they were overmatched but impressive.  I kind of lost track of them when they started so slowly, but they seemed to get it together.  They'll be good again the next two years at least.  Sometimes it just takes time.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on March 02, 2015, 01:37:16 PM
I don't know much about teams from the northeast, but it looks like Salisbury got a much more favorable draw than what d3hoops was predicting....I'll be an SU fan from here out.

givengo,

There aren't any Salisbury posters, so you'll likely have to settle for my two cents....I think it took SU a few games to mesh w/their new center, who's turned out to be their best overall player.  His athleticism is his biggest attribute, and Strickland is good at penetrating and getting him the ball down low for an easy bucket.  Salisbury has some other solid players, but their defense stands out to me....they play a very good match up zone, which I think is better than their man to man.  Salisbury's really clicking now, and are a definite threat to win their first round game....beyond that, who knows?   
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 02, 2015, 01:41:31 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on March 02, 2015, 01:37:16 PM
I don't know much about teams from the northeast, but it looks like Salisbury got a much more favorable draw than what d3hoops was predicting....I'll be an SU fan from here out.

givengo,

There aren't any Salisbury posters, so you'll likely have to settle for my two cents....I think it took SU a few games to mesh w/their new center, who's turned out to be their best overall player.  His athleticism is his biggest attribute, and Strickland is good at penetrating and getting him the ball down low for an easy bucket.  Salisbury has some other solid players, but their defense stands out to me....they play a very good match up zone, which I think is better than their man to man.  Salisbury's really clicking now, and are a definite threat to win their first round game....beyond that, who knows?

Trinity is one of the weaker hosts, so that's an advantage, but they're still the third team in a four team pod.  I did mention to Pat last night that I felt bad for where we sent Salisbury in the mock.  IWU has a bigger name and bigger bodies, but I don't think E Conn is going to be much easier of a game.  The teams are a little more similar, I guess - and it's not quite so far from home (but still a haul).
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on March 04, 2015, 12:33:01 PM
Yeah, I think I may have misspoke in terms of Salisbury having a lesser opponent in Eastern Connecticut....just hadn't heard of them like I have IWU.  At any rate, Salisbury will have their hands full, and I wish them luck....
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 04, 2015, 12:54:42 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on March 04, 2015, 12:33:01 PM
Yeah, I think I may have misspoke in terms of Salisbury having a lesser opponent in Eastern Connecticut....just hadn't heard of them like I have IWU.  At any rate, Salisbury will have their hands full, and I wish them luck....

Well, catching a break, word is EConn's best player, Preston, will still be out for this game.  They barely slowed down when he went down, so it's not that they're really short-handed or anything, but not having your best player is still not having your best player.  If he's there, it'll be his first games back from an extended injury.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on March 04, 2015, 01:20:44 PM
Interesting....I hope he plays, even if he's not 100%.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 04, 2015, 01:39:04 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on March 04, 2015, 01:20:44 PM
Interesting....I hope he plays, even if he's not 100%.

I'm not sure he's even ready.  I've been told the boot's been off for a week, but you never know.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on March 06, 2015, 08:40:52 PM
Nice win for the 'bury....Wyatt Smith went off!  Keep it going tomorrow, Gulls!

GO CAC!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: GullsHoopsFan on March 07, 2015, 06:52:50 AM
Big win for SU.  Wyatt Smith went for 37 and 9.  ECSU made a run late in the game to cut it to 3 but that's as close as they got.

To answer an earlier question, SU got off to a slow start to the season because Wyatt Smith didn't dress the first 3 games and then didn't start until game 7.  Once he moved into the starting lineup, SU started to gel.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on March 07, 2015, 05:24:01 PM
Why did he not dress for the first three games, then not even start until game seven?  I think ECSU was missing their best player last night, but they obviously had no answer for Smith down low....
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: GullsHoopsFan on March 07, 2015, 07:26:54 PM
I believe injury but I'm not 100% positive
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on March 07, 2015, 08:47:09 PM
Tough ending for Salisbury....Smith goes from 37 one night to 4 the next.  Congratulations, Gulls....very good season!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: GullsHoopsFan on March 08, 2015, 08:13:55 AM
Unfortunately I thought the game was tonight and not last night so I didn't get a chance to see it.  It's probably a good thing I missed it.  Oh well, great season for SU.  Coach Merkel has really turned the program around.  They should compete next year again for the CAC championship and hopefully another bid to the NCAA tourney.  They return all but two players from this years team.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on June 22, 2015, 03:01:57 PM
Salisbury has hired Andy Sachs from Bethany as their new head coach... http://www.suseagulls.com/sports/mbkb/2015-16/releases/20150622vp4qpx (http://www.suseagulls.com/sports/mbkb/2015-16/releases/20150622vp4qpx)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on October 02, 2015, 01:59:25 PM
Okay, folks, basketball season is approaching fast, so we need to get some chatter going....this board is dead!  I think the CAC will come down to CNU and Salisbury, with the Captains edging out the Gulls for all the marbles.  I think both teams are returning virtually everyone, so it should be interesting....anyone else have any news/comments?

GO CAPS!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: jesskleangda on October 07, 2015, 11:50:23 PM
I expect UMW to challenge too. They lost many games by a small margin last year and played much better at the end of the season. Also expect an influx of talent.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on October 08, 2015, 09:13:59 PM
Yeah, I'm sure they'll be a tough out....as a whole, I think the conference will be pretty solid again.

GO CAPS!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on November 05, 2015, 01:39:34 PM
Just glanced at Salisbury's roster and didn't see Wyatt Smith...that's a big loss for them.  They'll still be good, but replacing Strickland and now Smith won't be easy...time will tell.

GO CAPS!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 05, 2015, 03:24:03 PM
Yes... I believe he is out for the year with a major injury... but I am honestly forgetting the details right now, so I could be wrong. He wasn't on the roster a few weeks ago when a bird told me that news - so, I don't believe it was a practice related injury.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on November 05, 2015, 03:55:01 PM
Interesting...hope he's okay.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ronk on November 05, 2015, 06:41:57 PM
 I see that Salisbury added 2 xfers(Chad Barcikowski,Brian Coleman) who were good high school players but didn't play much their freshman year at their former schools(York,Catholic).
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 06, 2015, 08:11:22 AM
CNU played exhibition game vs ODU last night. Saw some interesting stuff! Not a competitive game though, ODU is just loaded with players. And they have some GIANT JC transfer who doesn't have bio listed on website yet...just a pic. He must be at least 7' and 275lbs. I swear he was tipping the ball in without leaving his feet.

update - just found him on the internet.....7-1 250

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on November 06, 2015, 10:48:04 AM
Just saw some footage of Biberaj taking it to CNU last night...I know he's not a real good DI player at ODU, but I think he would have been a pretty dominant big man during his last two years for the Captains. 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 06, 2015, 11:57:06 AM
Some say he had the potential to be a D3 All-American. Who knows? I was at the game. I like some of what I saw. Daly picked it up in the second half. Carter and McFarland should have a good year. #30 Quad Borup (I think I spelled it ok) played some minutes and scored. Not bad for his first college game in that environment. His HS credentials are very good. One more Exhibition game against a D2 school, then stuff gets real!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ecrugger on November 06, 2015, 12:09:32 PM
ODU is very good.  They are likely a tournament team this year, and may spend some time in the Top 25.

Biberaj is a decent role player for them.  He was probably the biggest reason why they beat LSU last year.  He'll see some playing time in every game for them. 

Interestingly, I thought another D3 transfer who walked on to ODU, Stephen Vassor from Hampden-Sydney, was a bigger surprise.  I don't think he got much playing time at HSC his freshman year, but he looks like he has a D1 body, and has incredible athleticism.

In other D3 news, VWC's Dave Macedo was also at the game, with a couple of his little ones in tow.  His team is going to be loaded this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 06, 2015, 12:23:32 PM
FYI per Salisbury: http://www.delmarvanow.com/story/sports/college/2015/10/25/just-sayin-sus-smith/74537832/ (http://www.delmarvanow.com/story/sports/college/2015/10/25/just-sayin-sus-smith/74537832/)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on November 06, 2015, 01:26:35 PM
Thanks, Dave...good stuff!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on November 06, 2015, 01:34:07 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on November 06, 2015, 11:57:06 AM
Some say he had the potential to be a D3 All-American. Who knows? I was at the game. I like some of what I saw. Daly picked it up in the second half. Carter and McFarland should have a good year. #30 Quad Borup (I think I spelled it ok) played some minutes and scored. Not bad for his first college game in that environment. His HS credentials are very good. One more Exhibition game against a D2 school, then stuff gets real!

Yeah, it gets real right away...CNU opens w/Lynchburg, who was picked to finish second in the ODAC.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on November 06, 2015, 01:38:54 PM
Quote from: ecrugger on November 06, 2015, 12:09:32 PM
ODU is very good.  They are likely a tournament team this year, and may spend some time in the Top 25.

Biberaj is a decent role player for them.  He was probably the biggest reason why they beat LSU last year.  He'll see some playing time in every game for them. 

Interestingly, I thought another D3 transfer who walked on to ODU, Stephen Vassor from Hampden-Sydney, was a bigger surprise.  I don't think he got much playing time at HSC his freshman year, but he looks like he has a D1 body, and has incredible athleticism.

In other D3 news, VWC's Dave Macedo was also at the game, with a couple of his little ones in tow.  His team is going to be loaded this year.

I totally agree w/your comments regarding ODU and Biberaj...unfortunately for CNU fans, VWC always seems to be loaded.  Gotta give Macedo his props...
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 09, 2015, 07:32:43 AM

I'm going to see VWC play the opener at Wesley.  I'm very interested in what they have on the floor.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 09, 2015, 11:53:41 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on November 09, 2015, 07:32:43 AM

I'm going to see VWC play the opener at Wesley.  I'm very interested in what they have on the floor.

Probably paint, varnish, some scuff marks.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on November 10, 2015, 09:18:26 AM
very informative
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on November 11, 2015, 02:42:48 PM
Okay, CNU was picked to win the conference this season...we'll see if they can live up to expectations.

GO CAPS!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 12, 2015, 05:06:03 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 09, 2015, 11:53:41 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on November 09, 2015, 07:32:43 AM

I'm going to see VWC play the opener at Wesley.  I'm very interested in what they have on the floor.

Probably paint, varnish, some scuff marks.

+1 bahahahahaha
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 12, 2015, 05:12:44 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on November 06, 2015, 01:34:07 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on November 06, 2015, 11:57:06 AM
Some say he had the potential to be a D3 All-American. Who knows? I was at the game. I like some of what I saw. Daly picked it up in the second half. Carter and McFarland should have a good year. #30 Quad Borup (I think I spelled it ok) played some minutes and scored. Not bad for his first college game in that environment. His HS credentials are very good. One more Exhibition game against a D2 school, then stuff gets real!

Yeah, it gets real right away...CNU opens w/Lynchburg, who was picked to finish second in the ODAC.

and they finished 5th last year....and destroyed CNU! Uh Oh!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 16, 2015, 08:01:44 AM
Nice weekend for CNU and the CAC. The CAC takes down the top 3 in the ODAC!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on November 16, 2015, 12:05:06 PM
Solid win for CNU over Lynchburg, although it should have easily been by 25...a ton of missed layups by the Captains.  It was nice to exact some revenge against the Hornets for last year...

How 'bout UMW spanking R-MC in Ashland and Wesley upsetting VWC?  Great way to start the season!  GO CAC!  GO CAPS!

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ronk on November 16, 2015, 12:42:53 PM
 Noticed that SMC's Troy Spurrier not in the box score; checked the roster and he's no longer there. ?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on November 16, 2015, 12:53:34 PM
I noticed he wasn't on their roster recently...not sure what happened w/him.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 16, 2015, 01:35:50 PM

So the Wesley game was pretty fun yesterday.  Great atmosphere.  I was really unimpressed with Wesley's first half, but really impressed with the second.  Great contributions from guys I wasn't expecting.  I want a larger sample size to know which half will be more indicative of how they'll play this year.  If it's the second half, they're going to be competing for a conference title.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 16, 2015, 03:19:29 PM
For CNU last night I noticed:

1. Daly didn't start (???)
2. Connor was in warmups and flops
3. Logan Miller was on crutches

Yikes!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on November 16, 2015, 04:57:09 PM
Daly is nursing a sprained ankle, I believe...I think Coach K wanted to limit his time as much as possible.  Not sure what was/is going on w/Connor...
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: jesskleangda on November 16, 2015, 05:36:46 PM
UMW looks strong.  As we expected, when Kahn is able to recruit, he knocks it out of the park.  Starting three newcomers (2 frosh) and no Seniors.  Gonna be a great year for the CAC.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 18, 2015, 01:30:50 PM
Quote from: jesskleangda on November 16, 2015, 05:36:46 PM
UMW looks strong.  As we expected, when Kahn is able to recruit, he knocks it out of the park.  Starting three newcomers (2 frosh) and no Seniors.  Gonna be a great year for the CAC.

What does "when Kahn is able to recruit"? mean?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 18, 2015, 02:08:00 PM
I read that as being, Kahn was hired a bit late in the process at Mary Washington to a team that basically didn't recruit that final year they made the run to the Elite 8... so there wasn't much time to start recruiting in the short term. Kahn can now recruit and has time, so it's just a matter of building from here. However, last year and maybe some bumps in the road now are because there wasn't any recruiting time or recruits for that matter at first.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: jesskleangda on November 18, 2015, 10:02:30 PM
nailed it Dave.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 19, 2015, 05:17:23 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 18, 2015, 02:08:00 PM
I read that as being, Kahn was hired a bit late in the process at Mary Washington to a team that basically didn't recruit that final year they made the run to the Elite 8... so there wasn't much time to start recruiting in the short term. Kahn can now recruit and has time, so it's just a matter of building from here. However, last year and maybe some bumps in the road now are because there wasn't any recruiting time or recruits for that matter at first.

Makes sense. I didn't realize he was hired late. Thanks!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 19, 2015, 07:26:45 PM
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Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 19, 2015, 07:29:20 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on November 19, 2015, 05:17:23 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 18, 2015, 02:08:00 PM
I read that as being, Kahn was hired a bit late in the process at Mary Washington to a team that basically didn't recruit that final year they made the run to the Elite 8... so there wasn't much time to start recruiting in the short term. Kahn can now recruit and has time, so it's just a matter of building from here. However, last year and maybe some bumps in the road now are because there wasn't any recruiting time or recruits for that matter at first.

Makes sense. I didn't realize he was hired late. Thanks!

Well the biggest factor was also the simple fact that the last year under Coach Rod Wood didn't do a ton of recruiting (if any) due to the bad feelings between him and administration surrounding his departure as head coach... so Marcus was also working with a pretty bare cupboard and no groceries coming in. He also got hired on April 28, which is plenty of time in some manner, but not when you have no one coming in ... in the first place.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 20, 2015, 09:47:30 AM
Looking forward to the rest of this season. I like the team we have. They have been fun to watch so far. Now it is time to see how we fare on the road. I will miss the games over the break though. Bummer.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 24, 2015, 12:03:35 PM
I got a chance to sit down with Salisbury coach Andy Sachs at the Hoopsville National Invitational Classic this past weekend. Check out his interview and the rest of the Hoopsville Coach's Corner (which substituted for this Sunday's show) here: http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2015-16/coachs-corner (http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2015-16/coachs-corner)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on November 30, 2015, 01:33:18 PM
Okay, folks, Salisbury's coming to Newport News on Wednesday for the "Battle of the Bay"!  Talk about a huge early season conference clash...SU is 5-0 and CNU is 4-0...the winner of this game will have an instant leg up in the conference, as I expect them to duke it out for conference supremacy!

GO CAPS!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on December 01, 2015, 10:34:21 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on November 30, 2015, 01:33:18 PM
Okay, folks, Salisbury's coming to Newport News on Wednesday for the "Battle of the Bay"!  Talk about a huge early season conference clash...SU is 5-0 and CNU is 4-0...the winner of this game will have an instant leg up in the conference, as I expect them to duke it out for conference supremacy!

GO CAPS!

and with the latest poll...2 nationally ranked teams as #17 travels to #21.

Nice!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on December 01, 2015, 11:31:11 AM
Nice, indeed!

Battle of the Bay!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on December 02, 2015, 08:17:25 AM
Game Day!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on December 03, 2015, 11:59:38 AM
...and round 1 goes to CNU!  The Captains got a big spark in the second half from McFarland and were able to pull away...very impressed w/Salisbury...athletic and tough defensively.

GO CAPS!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on December 04, 2015, 10:44:09 AM
Geez, this board is dead...can we show a little life, folks?!?!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on December 04, 2015, 12:03:48 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on December 04, 2015, 10:44:09 AM
Geez, this board is dead...can we show a little life, folks?!?!
[/quote]

LIFE!!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on December 04, 2015, 12:30:50 PM
I guess that's better than nothing...
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on December 04, 2015, 03:03:22 PM
Centennial board is just as bad.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: jesskleangda on December 05, 2015, 07:55:41 PM
another good day in the CAC.  UMW has yet to be tested in conference.  All of this without Shaw, arguably UMW's best player.  Must stay competitive until he returns early in 2016.  The newcomers (including 4 starters) should also continue to improve. 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on December 05, 2015, 11:03:07 PM
What's up with Shaw?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: jesskleangda on December 07, 2015, 11:39:27 AM
my sources say that he has a broken hand and will return in January.  Again, potentially all league player.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on December 08, 2015, 08:44:21 AM
CNU's up to number 13 in the latest top 25 poll...the Captains have a tough one this Sunday at number 12 VA Wesleyan, which is typically a very competitive game.  The Gulls dropped four spots to number 21...a solid showing by the CAC so far.

GO CAPS!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on December 09, 2015, 09:04:57 AM
I think I might make that trip to the Southside to watch #13 v #12
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on December 10, 2015, 08:24:15 AM
Just saw where Penn State-Harrisburg beat the Gulls in Salisbury last night...did Salisbury take them lightly, or is PS-H better than expected?  Probably some of both...
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 10, 2015, 08:30:45 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on December 10, 2015, 08:24:15 AM
Just saw where Penn State-Harrisburg beat the Gulls in Salisbury last night...did Salisbury take them lightly, or is PS-H better than expected?  Probably some of both...

PS-H is better than you'd think.  They played well all year so far.  That being said, Salisbury just had a bad night.  That team is very prone to swings of performance.  You could see, as overtime started, the body language was all, "we gave this away."  Tough to win when that happens.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on December 14, 2015, 07:57:22 AM
Didn't make the game, but listened to it on the radio. Very intense. CNU's D keeps them in every game and then they are able to put together whatever is needed to win. This time they had huge turnovers and foul trouble....but they figured out how to win. Impressive.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on December 14, 2015, 09:35:39 AM
Yep, another good win by the Captains...always nice to beat VWC, especially at their place!

GO CAPS!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on December 15, 2015, 08:35:28 AM
CNU moves up two spots to #11, while Salisbury drops seven to #28...trap game tomorrow at Pittsburgh-Greensburg.  The Bobcats have a good record, but I don't know that they've beaten anyone worth mentioning.  At any rate, the Captains need to be ready to play, as taking teams lightly will get you beat...

GO CAPS!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on December 16, 2015, 09:50:54 AM
one more game before the break. Gives me something to look forward to at 4pm. Will listen to first half at my desk and second half at home! PERFECT!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: jesskleangda on December 16, 2015, 10:13:50 PM
and there you go.  signature win for UMW.  when healthy, this team will challenge for conference title.  young talented squad, and Coach shows why he has been regarded as one of the top coaches in the country.  watch out CAC, this is the beginning of a juggernaut. 

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on December 17, 2015, 08:53:02 AM
Quote from: jesskleangda on December 16, 2015, 10:13:50 PM
and there you go.  signature win for UMW.  when healthy, this team will challenge for conference title.  young talented squad, and Coach shows why he has been regarded as one of the top coaches in the country.  watch out CAC, this is the beginning of a juggernaut.

Awesome win for UMW!!!! Congrats!!! Va. Wesleyan is now O-CAC. All 4 losses are to CAC teams with I believe one more to go! The CAC is a tough conference and a lot of fun to watch!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on December 17, 2015, 10:58:49 AM
A very good win for Mary Wash last night...also a solid win for the Captains yesterday at Pitt-Greensburg, who wasn't a cupcake.  A good start to the season for the CAC as a whole...

GO CAPS!  GO CAC!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on January 03, 2016, 10:54:24 PM
I'm a little late getting to this, but here goes...CNU's tournament after Christmas was one to forget.  The Captains were quite uninspiring in a win against a not so good Shenandoah team...they were out rebounded for the first time this season, but did enough to pull out a double digit victory.  Now, Scranton was a much tougher opponent, but CNU struggled in that game, as well...the effort and intensity was better, but I think the Royals size and defense really frustrated the Captains.  I'm definitely biased, but I believe CNU was more talented and athletic overall, so the loss was disappointing...gotta give credit to Scranton, though.  They did what they needed to do to beat a good team on the road...they were a solid, well coached team.

CNU has a tough game on the road Wednesday night at PS-Harrisburg...although not traditionally strong, they're playing well and give teams a fit at their place.  A win would give CNU an early cushion in the conference standings to date...

I noticed where Salisbury and Mary Washington lost to St. Mary's and Frostburg State respectively...kinda surprising, but that's why they play the games.

GO CAPS!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ronk on January 03, 2016, 11:16:38 PM
Swish,
  That was arguably Scranton 's best game of the year, especially considering our 2 bigs got into foul trouble. Enough others stepped up in their place to enable the win against a quality team like CNU.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on January 04, 2016, 08:51:58 AM
I agree, ronk, the supporting cast hit some big baskets at critical times...I was hoping CNU could build a little cushion towards the end of the first half with Scranton's bigs on the bench, but it just didn't happen.  Have to credit their zone defense with making it hard on the Captains offensively...
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on January 05, 2016, 08:56:19 AM
CNU drops two spots to #13 in the latest top 25 poll, while Salisbury sinks lower into the "others receiving votes" category...also noticed that Scranton broke in at #21.

GO CAPS!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 05, 2016, 12:01:56 PM
CNU's loss to Scranton is not considered as "bad" as Salisbury's loss to St. Mary's. Yes, this is the SMC squad that voters know has a history of being good... this is just not one of those years and that's a game Salisbury should have won.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on January 05, 2016, 01:10:07 PM
I agree, d-mac...
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 06, 2016, 02:06:22 PM
I've been out of town for a bit. Can't wait to get back into the Freeman and see a game again!!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on January 06, 2016, 02:59:05 PM
CNU had better come to play tonight, or they'll be leaving Pennsylvania w/an L...
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on January 07, 2016, 09:01:40 AM
Another very solid win by CNU last night...McFarland was perfect from the field and 9/10 from the line...that kid can shoot!  It's still early, but if he keeps it up, he'll be in the running for conference POY...

PS-H will win a lot of games at their place this season...they're playing well, and there's just something about their gym.  Wesley comes to town on Saturday after a tough one point loss to Mary Wash last night...

GO CAPS!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 11, 2016, 09:09:11 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on January 07, 2016, 09:01:40 AM
Another very solid win by CNU last night...McFarland was perfect from the field and 9/10 from the line...that kid can shoot!  It's still early, but if he keeps it up, he'll be in the running for conference POY...

PS-H will win a lot of games at their place this season...they're playing well, and there's just something about their gym.  Wesley comes to town on Saturday after a tough one point loss to Mary Wash last night...

GO CAPS!

He did it again Saturday. Comes off the bench...drops in 20. 6-10 (6-9 from 3).  I would not start him all year. He is simply incredible coming off the bench!!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on January 11, 2016, 09:25:57 AM
I agree, CNU85...if it ain't broke, don't fix it!  Glad the Captains were able to hang on for the win against a scrappy Wesley team...another tough one at Mary Washington Wednesday night.  The Eagles have been up and down, but are more than capable of pulling off the upset...CNU has to play at a high level every game, as they're the hunted right now.

GO CAPS!

Anyone else out there?  Where's jesskleangda?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on January 12, 2016, 09:01:51 AM
CNU remains at #13 in the latest poll, while Salisbury is in danger of falling out of the "others receiving votes" category...did I mention the Captains have a big game at UMW tomorrow night?

GO CAPS!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 12, 2016, 10:49:08 AM
Watch out for LBC
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 12, 2016, 11:13:39 AM
Yes, but not in this conference. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 12, 2016, 01:50:09 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 12, 2016, 11:13:39 AM
Yes, but not in this conference. :)

+1
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 12, 2016, 01:53:25 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on January 12, 2016, 09:01:51 AM
CNU remains at #13 in the latest poll, while Salisbury is in danger of falling out of the "others receiving votes" category...did I mention the Captains have a big game at UMW tomorrow night?

GO CAPS!

Every game is big. But especially the next 3. That will finish up the first half of the conference schedule. It is fun watching these young guys this year, knowing they will be back for 2 years (most of them). The Lady Caps also are fun to watch. Near the top in win differential in NCAA. And they have 1 junior dressed, and the lone senior hasn't played hoops since high school - having been a track star in the javelin for CNU the last 3 years.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on January 12, 2016, 02:56:05 PM
Yep, they're all big...if CNU can finish in first place during the regular season, they'd have home court advantage for the conference tournament, which is huge!  I agree, it's been fun watching both programs...hope they both finish strong!

Interesting tidbit regarding the lone senior...my Dad actually coached her Dad at the same small, private school she attended on the Eastern Shore.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 12, 2016, 11:51:18 PM

I think I'm headed to Wesley tomorrow.  I saw Salisbury in November when they were playing a bit better; I'll be interested to see what they look like right now.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on January 13, 2016, 09:03:42 AM
That will probably be a good one, Hoops Fan...I expect the CNU/UMW game to be good, as well!

GO CAPS!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on January 13, 2016, 04:06:58 PM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on January 12, 2016, 10:49:08 AM
Watch out for LBC

Can I get an amen?!?!  They have a signature win over F&M, but that's their only good win...we'll see how they fare.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on January 14, 2016, 08:46:31 AM
Nice win for the Captains last night at Mary Washington...CNU jumped on 'em early and had a 26 point lead at the half, which was totally unexpected.  To their credit, though, MW cut it to 8 midway through the second half, which made me nervous, but thankfully CN was able to pump the lead back up and win comfortably.  Can't let up w/York coming to town on Saturday...have to be ready for everyone's best shot!

Also have to congratulate the Lady Captains on their best win of the season last night...I know this isn't the women's board, but that's even more dead than this one.

Any thoughts on the Salisbury/Wesley game, Hoops Fan?

GO CAPS!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on January 18, 2016, 08:47:58 AM
Have I mentioned that this board is dead?

Another solid win for the Captains on Saturday against York College, which was expected, but the first half was a battle.  Gotta give credit to the Spartans for coming in and playing hard...for me, no one individual stood out...overall, a pretty good team effort, especially in the second half.  A little concerned about Marcus Carter, one of CNU's best players...word was that he may have a possible concussion...hope he's okay.

St. Mary's pulled off an upset at PS-Harrisburg on Saturday...the good news is that CNU now has a three game lead in the conference, but the bad news is they travel to St. Mary's for a game Wednesday night...need to be ready to play!

GO CAPS!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on January 19, 2016, 09:24:07 AM
CNU moves up three spots from 13 to 10 in the latest poll, while Salisbury goes from receiving 2 votes to 19...when the Gulls are on, they're really tough, so we'll see if they can keep winning and get back into the top 25. 

CNU has another tough test at an improving St. Mary's tomorrow night...hope Marcus Carter can play.

GO CAPS!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 19, 2016, 01:01:24 PM
I missed the game Saturday Swish. Injured my back. So much fun. But I followed the game at home. Also watched the women play. They should creep into the top 25 soon if they keep winning the way they do...4th in the nation in scoring margin.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on January 20, 2016, 08:38:39 AM
Sorry to hear about your back, '85...did you injure it dunking on some unsuspecting youngster?

The Lady Captains are on a nice roll...their last two wins were the best of their season so far.  If they can keep it going, they'll have a chance to break into the poll...they're young and talented, and I think they're starting to turn the corner in terms of experience and confidence.

It's game day...to the players that might read this, get your swag up and take it to 'em tonight...respect your opponent, but be aggressive and confident!

GO CAPS and LADY CAPS!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 20, 2016, 12:29:38 PM
I wish!!! I have one registered dunk in my career. Playing intramurals at CNU. I guess you could say I was "one and done" Never could do it again.

Lady Captains start 5 sophs.  Crazy.

I had court side seats the weekend before and I noticed something with the men during warmups I don't recall seeing before. Maybe because my normal seats are near the top. But the men were extremely loose, confident. They were laughing and joking with each other during warmup drills. There was a group energy dynamic  I don't recall seeing before. It was nice to see.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 20, 2016, 01:10:18 PM

I could dunk a volleyball in college, but I have small hands.  I could, at one point, jump high enough to throw a basketball down, but it's much more difficult to orchestrate than the NBA dunk contest makes it seem.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on January 20, 2016, 01:12:05 PM
Still impressive for someone 5'9''...you must have had some hops back in the day!

I know what you mean...for me, I could sense an air of confidence from some of the guys in the very first game against Lynchburg...good stuff!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on January 20, 2016, 01:19:32 PM
I could come close to dunking out of high school, but no cigar...not sure if I could dunk a donut these days!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 21, 2016, 09:01:35 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on January 20, 2016, 01:12:05 PM
Still impressive for someone 5'9''...you must have had some hops back in the day!

I know what you mean...for me, I could sense an air of confidence from some of the guys in the very first game against Lynchburg...good stuff!

;D ;D Haven't seen 5'9" since 10th grade! Another impressive win last night for both CNU teams. I have a feeling there will be no games this weekend. And all we will see down here is a huge mess of slush.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on January 21, 2016, 09:27:40 AM
An impressive win for the men, but not the women...gotta admit, I was a little worried about the men's game once I heard that Marcus Carter wasn't going to play.  St. Mary's has been up and down, like Mary Washington, but certainly capable of an upset...the team really stepped up in his absence and ended up winning comfortably...great job, guys!  The women, on the other hand, looked like they were coasting...the way they've been playing, they should have blown a weak St. Mary's team away.  Oh well, as they say, a win is a win...it doesn't have to be pretty...just need to move on to the next game and play better.

GO CAPS!

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on January 26, 2016, 03:51:50 PM
CNU moves up one spot to #9, while Salisbury continues to receive more votes every week...Lady Captains almost in!

GO CAPS!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on January 28, 2016, 08:49:13 AM
Well, CNU was able to hang on at SVU in a really ugly game...53 fouls were called and 72 free throws were attempted...like I said, ugly!  The Captains were up by 9 at the half, then 5, 22, 7 and back to 9 at the end.  When CNU was up big in the second half, there's no way it should have gotten as close as 7 again...disappointed they didn't put 'em away.  Oh well, on to Saturday's big game w/PS-H...they actually lost to York, so they're now two games behind the Bury, but still a solid team.  I'm expecting a big crowd, as there will be a HOF induction at the half...

The Lady Captains won handily, which they should have, but I gotta mention something...now, I think Broderick is a very good coach, but I've noticed that he seems to maintain pressure for the whole game, which is fine, but not when you have a big lead.  Personally, I was taught that you call off the dogs once you get a 20 point lead...no need to run up the score and thoroughly embarrass your opponent and yourself.  Just my two cents...

GO CAPS!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 28, 2016, 06:18:42 PM
There are several turning points during the Division III basketball season and we have arrived at yet another. The time in the season when many conferences start heading into the second half of round-robin play.

Thursday night on Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com), Dave McHugh talks to some of the teams who are leading their conferences after the first half of play and looking to keep up their mometum. Some have also emerged as an unexpected frontrunner - a theme of the season so far. McHugh also talks to a coach who has one of the more interesting coaching challenges in the country - leading a service academy program with height, practice time, and other restrictions.

Hoopsville hits the air at 7:00 PM ET and you can watch the show here: www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2015-16/jan28. We will also have more information on next week's marathon show along with the third-annual fundraising efforts.

Guests include (in order):
- John Krikorian, No. 9 Christopher Newport men's coach
- Chad Shutler, No. 21 Bluffton women's coach
- Kevin Jaskiewicz, Coast Guard men's coach (NABC Coach's Corner)
- Marianne O'Connor-Ermi, St. John Fisher women's coach
- Brad Bjorkgren, Simpson men's coach

You can also tune into the podcast(s) after the show has aired:
SoundCloud: www.soundcloud.com/hoopsville (http://www.soundcloud.com/hoopsville)
iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/hoopsville/id1059517087 (https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/hoopsville/id1059517087)

And don't forget you can always interact with us:
Website: www.d3hoopsville.com (http://www.d3hoopsville.com)
Twitter: @d3hoopsville (http://www.twitter.com/d3hoopsville) or #Hoopsville
Facebook: www.facebook.com/Hoopsville (http://www.facebook.com/Hoopsville)
Email: hoopsville@d3hoops.com
YouTube: www.youtube.com/user/d3hoopsville (http://www.youtube.com/user/d3hoopsville)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on February 01, 2016, 08:42:22 AM
An excellent performance by the Captains against PS-H on Saturday afternoon...game was over at the half.  A defining week for CNU w/three games on the road, starting tonight w/FSU, then Salisbury Wednesday night, which will be huge, and finishing up w/Wesley on Saturday...we'll see if the Captains can make it through this road trip unscathed.

GO CAPS!   
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: jesskleangda on February 01, 2016, 12:09:00 PM
UMW has looked much better the past couple games.  Shaw makes a huge difference - but like CNU this week, UMW has a huge week starting tonight.  Let's go Eagles. 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 01, 2016, 12:29:44 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 28, 2016, 06:18:42 PM
There are several turning points during the Division III basketball season and we have arrived at yet another. The time in the season when many conferences start heading into the second half of round-robin play.

Thursday night on Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com), Dave McHugh talks to some of the teams who are leading their conferences after the first half of play and looking to keep up their mometum. Some have also emerged as an unexpected frontrunner - a theme of the season so far. McHugh also talks to a coach who has one of the more interesting coaching challenges in the country - leading a service academy program with height, practice time, and other restrictions.

Hoopsville hits the air at 7:00 PM ET and you can watch the show here: www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2015-16/jan28. We will also have more information on next week's marathon show along with the third-annual fundraising efforts.

Guests include (in order):
- John Krikorian, No. 9 Christopher Newport men's coach
- Chad Shutler, No. 21 Bluffton women's coach
- Kevin Jaskiewicz, Coast Guard men's coach (NABC Coach's Corner)
- Marianne O'Connor-Ermi, St. John Fisher women's coach
- Brad Bjorkgren, Simpson men's coach

You can also tune into the podcast(s) after the show has aired:
SoundCloud: www.soundcloud.com/hoopsville (http://www.soundcloud.com/hoopsville)
iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/hoopsville/id1059517087 (https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/hoopsville/id1059517087)

And don't forget you can always interact with us:
Website: www.d3hoopsville.com (http://www.d3hoopsville.com)
Twitter: @d3hoopsville (http://www.twitter.com/d3hoopsville) or #Hoopsville
Facebook: www.facebook.com/Hoopsville (http://www.facebook.com/Hoopsville)
Email: hoopsville@d3hoops.com
YouTube: www.youtube.com/user/d3hoopsville (http://www.youtube.com/user/d3hoopsville)

I will have to check this stuff out this week. Will be interesting to listen to the comments. Thanks for the links!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on February 01, 2016, 12:57:56 PM
I caught a good portion of the interview w/Coach K live...it was good stuff.

You should post more frequently, jesskleangda...
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 01, 2016, 03:07:08 PM
Nice Hoopsville. Thanks Dave! Good stuff.

(BTW - d3hoops.com is incorrect in 2014 record for CNU. Not 17-7. We were 20-8)

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 01, 2016, 07:34:43 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 01, 2016, 03:07:08 PM
Nice Hoopsville. Thanks Dave! Good stuff.

(BTW - d3hoops.com is incorrect in 2014 record for CNU. Not 17-7. We were 20-8)

Thanks, we try and achieve that each show... tune in more often! :)

As for the incorrect record... I will try and go back and check that (or Pat or Gordon). Not sure why that would pop up accordingly like that.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: jesskleangda on February 01, 2016, 10:21:24 PM
another great win for UMW.  The team's energy level is noticeably better than it was a few games ago.  Wednesday and Saturday will be tough games and with two wins they could move into 2nd place.  Wouldn't have seen that coming a couple weeks ago.  Coach Kahn has done a great job turning this season around - they have surpassed last year's win total already.  Let's keep it going.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 02, 2016, 08:26:45 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 01, 2016, 07:34:43 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 01, 2016, 03:07:08 PM
Nice Hoopsville. Thanks Dave! Good stuff.

(BTW - d3hoops.com is incorrect in 2014 record for CNU. Not 17-7. We were 20-8)

Thanks, we try and achieve that each show... tune in more often! :)

As for the incorrect record... I will try and go back and check that (or Pat or Gordon). Not sure why that would pop up accordingly like that.

I don't think (most) people realize how difficult it is to put together a 2 1/2 show like that! A lot of effort and homework. Nicely done!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 02, 2016, 08:27:59 AM
CNU is up to #6. Very nice. A road victory last night. At one point we were up by 31 and then Frostburg starting shooting lights out! 5 more minutes and there might be a different outcome.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on February 02, 2016, 08:57:36 AM
Yep, up to #6...can't remember the last time they were ranked that high!  The women broke into the poll at #23...let's hope they can both keep it going tomorrow night at Salisbury!

GO CAPS!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on February 02, 2016, 09:51:36 AM
Quote from: jesskleangda on February 01, 2016, 10:21:24 PM
another great win for UMW.  The team's energy level is noticeably better than it was a few games ago.  Wednesday and Saturday will be tough games and with two wins they could move into 2nd place.  Wouldn't have seen that coming a couple weeks ago.  Coach Kahn has done a great job turning this season around - they have surpassed last year's win total already.  Let's keep it going.

...could move into a tie for second place by the end of the week IF CNU beats Salisbury tomorrow night and UMW beats St. Mary's and Salisbury...obviously not a given, but possible.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 02, 2016, 11:14:27 AM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 02, 2016, 08:26:45 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 01, 2016, 07:34:43 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 01, 2016, 03:07:08 PM
Nice Hoopsville. Thanks Dave! Good stuff.

(BTW - d3hoops.com is incorrect in 2014 record for CNU. Not 17-7. We were 20-8)

Thanks, we try and achieve that each show... tune in more often! :)

As for the incorrect record... I will try and go back and check that (or Pat or Gordon). Not sure why that would pop up accordingly like that.

I don't think (most) people realize how difficult it is to put together a 2 1/2 show like that! A lot of effort and homework. Nicely done!

To be blunt and a little selfish... you are very right. At least twice the amount of time we are on the air is put into preparing for the show ... and I might be lying to myself. My wife probably has a much more accurate, higher number to report.

Oh... and Thursday... 12-hours on the air. Hoopsville Marathon Show. TUNE IN! :)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on February 03, 2016, 08:25:23 AM
It's GAME DAY against the Gulls!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 03, 2016, 08:32:20 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 02, 2016, 11:14:27 AM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 02, 2016, 08:26:45 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 01, 2016, 07:34:43 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 01, 2016, 03:07:08 PM
Nice Hoopsville. Thanks Dave! Good stuff.

(BTW - d3hoops.com is incorrect in 2014 record for CNU. Not 17-7. We were 20-8)

Thanks, we try and achieve that each show... tune in more often! :)

As for the incorrect record... I will try and go back and check that (or Pat or Gordon). Not sure why that would pop up accordingly like that.

I don't think (most) people realize how difficult it is to put together a 2 1/2 show like that! A lot of effort and homework. Nicely done!

To be blunt and a little selfish... you are very right. At least twice the amount of time we are on the air is put into preparing for the show ... and I might be lying to myself. My wife probably has a much more accurate, higher number to report.

Oh... and Thursday... 12-hours on the air. Hoopsville Marathon Show. TUNE IN! :)

I remember in grad school creating a video in organizational behavior class.....we were looking at the management structure of a Gold's gym. For every minute of final product, it took about an hour of video and editing. I swore I would never do that again.

I will not be able to listen much on Thursday. But I will tune in when I'm at my desk. 12 hours is CRAZY!!! Maybe I will tune in at 10 for a few minutes and then again near the end and compare your voice! Good luck! And thanks - that's a lot of work. And your efforts are appreciated!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 03, 2016, 10:22:07 AM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 03, 2016, 08:32:20 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 02, 2016, 11:14:27 AM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 02, 2016, 08:26:45 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 01, 2016, 07:34:43 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 01, 2016, 03:07:08 PM
Nice Hoopsville. Thanks Dave! Good stuff.

(BTW - d3hoops.com is incorrect in 2014 record for CNU. Not 17-7. We were 20-8)

Thanks, we try and achieve that each show... tune in more often! :)

As for the incorrect record... I will try and go back and check that (or Pat or Gordon). Not sure why that would pop up accordingly like that.

I don't think (most) people realize how difficult it is to put together a 2 1/2 show like that! A lot of effort and homework. Nicely done!

To be blunt and a little selfish... you are very right. At least twice the amount of time we are on the air is put into preparing for the show ... and I might be lying to myself. My wife probably has a much more accurate, higher number to report.

Oh... and Thursday... 12-hours on the air. Hoopsville Marathon Show. TUNE IN! :)

I remember in grad school creating a video in organizational behavior class.....we were looking at the management structure of a Gold's gym. For every minute of final product, it took about an hour of video and editing. I swore I would never do that again.

I will not be able to listen much on Thursday. But I will tune in when I'm at my desk. 12 hours is CRAZY!!! Maybe I will tune in at 10 for a few minutes and then again near the end and compare your voice! Good luck! And thanks - that's a lot of work. And your efforts are appreciated!

HA! Now you know how TV reporters and videographers feel! They shoot an hour or more of video for a 1:30 report. I will admit I like editing, but I don't love it... mainly because I can't take what is my head and get out fast enough through the process that it starts to frustrate and bore me.

Tune in whenever you want... though, I doubt you notice a change in my voice. Hopefully not jinxing it, but I tend to have a pretty robust voice. Had very long days in the past using my voice the entire time... but that said... maybe this will  be a first! LOL

Thank you for your kind words. I appreciate it.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 03, 2016, 04:37:18 PM
For the third consecutive year, Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com) will air for 12 hours as the regular season enters the final four weeks. Dave McHugh will chat with coaches, administrators, student-athletes, and others involved in Division III basketball from around the country. Other guests will include those who have Division III roots or appreciate the division and the game along with the student-athletes who play the sport.

Hoopsville will air from 10 a.m. to 10 p.m. (and maybe later) on Thursday, February 4 live from the WBCA/NABC Studio. You can see what guests are scheduled, get more information, and watch the show here: http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2015-16/feb4

You can also read the press release about the show: http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/hoopsville-marathon-2016

Here is the guest list as we speak. All times are Eastern and subject to change. Additional guests to be added if and when necessary:


   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
TimeGuestSchool
10:15amConnie TilleySt. Norbert (WBB) - WBCA Center Court
10:40amJamie PurdyPeidmont (WBB)
11:00amKeri CarolloUW-Whitewater (WBB) - Nat'l Committee Chair
11:20amBrent PollariSaint Mary's (Minn.) (WBB)
11:40amKent MadsenNo. 21 Wheaton (Ill.) (WBB)
12:00pmRussell LoydRose-Hulman (MBB)
12:20pmKevin BroderickNazareth (MBB)
12:40pmJustin ScottArcadia (MBB)
1:00pmSam HargravesNo. 12 Alma (MBB)
1:20pmLenny ReichMount Union (SID)
1:40pmMaureen WebsterClarkson (WBB)
2:00pmBetsy WitmanYork (Pa.) (WBB)
2:20pmSara LeeDenison (WBB)
2:40pmKlay KneuppelWisconsin Lutheran (MBB)
3:00pmBrian Van HaaftenBuena Vista (MBB) - Nat'l Committee Chair
3:30pmSydney MossNo. 1 Thomas More (WBB)
3:45pmAaron RousellBucknell (WBB) - former Chicago coach
4:00pmTim ShanahanStaten Island (WBB)
4:20Pat CunninghamTrinity (Texas) (MBB) - NABC Coach's Corner
4:50pmBubba SmithSewanee (MBB)
5:15pmBen StrongFormer Guilford All-American
5:30pmKevin ConnorsESPN SportsCenter Anchor - Ithaca alumnus
6:00pmKristen DowlingClaremont-Mudd-Scripps (WBB)
6:20pmAllison ColemanSage (WBB)
6:40pmLandry KosmalskiSwarthmore (MBB)
7:00pmDave NilandNo. 23 Penn State-Behrend (MBB)
7:20pmAaron GallettaLasell (MBB)
7:40pmJohn BaronGwynedd-Mercy (MBB)
8:00pm
8:20pm
8:40pmMelissa HodgdonWheaton (Mass.) (WBB)
9:00pmG.P. GromackiNo. 2 Amherst (WBB)
9:20pmJames Wagner
9:40pmHAPPY HOURFree-for-all of calls, tweets, and fun!

We hope to get at least the full show on a podcast, or several podcast, during the on Friday. You can find it here:
SoundCloud: www.soundcloud.com/hoopsville
iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/hoopsville/id1059517087

Don't forget you can always interact with us:
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And a reminder the Hoopsville Fundraising Project has begun yet again. Please consider helping us cover Division III basketball the way it deserves to be covered. If you can not donate, please don't worry about - we understand. At least share the campaign with anyone you think might be interested: http://igg.me/at/hoopsville-fundraiser/x/6029509

Also, if you know any advertisers interested in promoting their company or products on the show, send them our way: hoopsville@d3hoops.com

Thanks!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 03, 2016, 11:03:58 PM

Salisbury led the whole game, then lost in overtime.  Really fantastic FT shooting performance - the last 8 FTs in regulation were all made and all vitally important, pressure shots.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: jesskleangda on February 03, 2016, 11:21:40 PM
that was an incredible ending to regulation in CNU/Salisbury game.  Frankly - don't like the foul call in that situation, but exciting.  UMW had another convincing win.  Saturday sets up to be a huge day in the conference.  Lots of parity in CAC.  Let's go Eagles. 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 03, 2016, 11:29:35 PM
Quote from: jesskleangda on February 03, 2016, 11:21:40 PM
that was an incredible ending to regulation in CNU/Salisbury game.  Frankly - don't like the foul call in that situation, but exciting.  UMW had another convincing win.  Saturday sets up to be a huge day in the conference.  Lots of parity in CAC.  Let's go Eagles.

So, you're saying my decision not to ask Coach Sachs what he thought of the game tonight was a good one?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 04, 2016, 03:09:15 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on February 03, 2016, 11:29:35 PM
Quote from: jesskleangda on February 03, 2016, 11:21:40 PM
that was an incredible ending to regulation in CNU/Salisbury game.  Frankly - don't like the foul call in that situation, but exciting.  UMW had another convincing win.  Saturday sets up to be a huge day in the conference.  Lots of parity in CAC.  Let's go Eagles.

So, you're saying my decision not to ask Coach Sachs what he thought of the game tonight was a good one?

Probably the basketball gods squarely things up for earlier in the season ;)

Also, not sure what the call was (I was stuck in a meetin), but do you not like the call because you don't like the call... or because you don't want a whistle at the end?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 04, 2016, 09:21:50 AM
D-Mac - That's a full schedule. So, you're not going to the bathroom until 8pm??

;D ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 04, 2016, 09:23:59 AM
My analogy on Sydney Moss playing D3 hoops.  Similar to a Sprint Cup driver racing in the Nationwide series. Some serious talent!!

Feel free to steal this D-MAc in your show at 3:30. Bahahaha!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on February 04, 2016, 09:36:17 AM
Wow, what a game...an incredible defensive battle!  CNU led 2-0 in the beginning, but didn't lead again until late in the overtime...the Captains had to scratch and claw for everything they got against a very tough Salisbury defense, but CNU's defense was tough, as well.  How HUGE was Tim Daly?  He had an amazing night, especially when he sank two free throws to send the game into overtime with one second on the clock...that takes some serious stones!  In terms of the call...my feeling is that there should not be a call as a game is winding down unless there's an obvious foul.  Now, without seeing a replay, I'm not sure if it was an obvious foul or not, but perhaps CNU was the beneficiary of a close call...just can't be certain.  Hey, Daly still had to step up and make those free throws, so he deserves a ton of credit...CNU hung in there and willed themselves to victory! 

Salisbury beat CNU in overtime last year in Newport News in a somewhat similar game when Strickland made a miraculous circus shot to force overtime, so this was payback...we'll see if CNU gets a chance to avenge the championship loss last year to Salisbury.  If so, that would be poetic justice, my friends...

GO CAPS! 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 04, 2016, 11:02:43 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on February 04, 2016, 09:36:17 AM
Wow, what a game...an incredible defensive battle!  CNU led 2-0 in the beginning, but didn't lead again until late in the overtime...the Captains had to scratch and claw for everything they got against a very tough Salisbury defense, but CNU's defense was tough, as well.  How HUGE was Tim Daly?  He had an amazing night, especially when he sank two free throws to send the game into overtime with one second on the clock...that takes some serious stones!  In terms of the call...my feeling is that there should not be a call as a game is winding down unless there's an obvious foul.  Now, without seeing a replay, I'm not sure if it was an obvious foul or not, but perhaps CNU was the beneficiary of a close call...just can't be certain.  Hey, Daly still had to step up and make those free throws, so he deserves a ton of credit...CNU hung in there and willed themselves to victory! 

Salisbury beat CNU in overtime last year in Newport News in a somewhat similar game when Strickland made a miraculous circus shot to force overtime, so this was payback...we'll see if CNU gets a chance to avenge the championship loss last year to Salisbury.  If so, that would be poetic justice, my friends...

GO CAPS!



True! I was at the Championship game last year when SU took the lead with .7 seconds left..... 7 tenths of a second!!!!
Lady Caps also won their 13th straight game. Now at 18-2.  Combined the teams are 37-3. Must be close to a record year.

Does anyone know how high CNU men have been ranked. I'm thinking I remember once they were #2....I just don't know for sure.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on February 04, 2016, 12:52:07 PM
I was there too...made for a tough ride home.

Yes, the Lady Captains were able to hang on last night, despite shooting 27% and making no three pointers...their saving grace was Salisbury's 34 turnovers.

I know the men were ranked as high as #2 fairly early in the 01-02 season...
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: jesskleangda on February 04, 2016, 11:48:00 PM
DMac and Swish3- I agree completely with Swish3 related to the call.  There may have been a foul, but with 1 second left and ball loose under the basket, I don't think a foul should be called (unless absolutely obvious).  Great game nonetheless.  Salisbury v. UMW on Saturday is huge this Saturday.  Everyone will be watching - I hope.  UMW fans have to be very excited about the future of the program with Kahn at the helm.  No seniors contributing this season and they are in position to finish second in conference.  The future is very bright.  This must be why UMW went out and Coach.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on February 05, 2016, 09:13:14 AM
It will be interesting to see how both Salisbury and CNU respond tomorrow...will Salisbury be down after letting one slip away against their archrival?  Will CNU be focused after clinching the regular season?  Mary Wash has won four in a row, so I think they have a shot at beating the Gulls, but it won't be easy...the Captains are at Wesley tomorrow, which makes me a little nervous.  The Wolverines are definitely better than their record, and they played CNU very tough in Newport News, so I hope the boys will be ready...

GO CAPS!

I'm sure Kahn will turn UMW into a very good program, jesskleangda, which will only make the CAC stronger...good luck tomorrow.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 05, 2016, 11:06:38 AM

I'll be at Wesley for both games tomorrow.  I'm looking forward to some good shows.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on February 05, 2016, 11:43:19 AM
As a CNU fan, I hope the Captains provide some good shows...personally, I don't think that Carter or McFarland played particularly well at Salisbury, so I'll be looking for a better performance from them...finish strong, CNU!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 06, 2016, 10:22:52 PM
Wow!!! Simply wow!!!  3 road games in 6 days. 3 wins. CAC title! A true team effort this week and all season.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 07, 2016, 02:55:52 PM

The guys seems a little tired at the beginning - and Wesley is athletic, they can run with anyone.  They hit all their shots (which is normally their Achilles heel), but at no point did I think CNU wasn't clearly the best team on the floor.  I did think they were going to lose with about ten minutes left - Wesley hit a big shot to go up 13 and the crowd really got into it.  CNU called a TO, which turned into a media timeout (thanks to radio coverage from CNU) and it killed all momentum for Wesley.  CNU calmed down, the coach told the guys he was done yelling, they had to take responsibility for winning or losing the game and they locked in.  Fatigue continued to play a part, but they worked their way back.  Seven seconds to go, CNU traveled - the ref pointed at it, somehow didn't make the call, and it essentially kept Wesley from getting a shot at winning it.  You get those breaks sometimes - all in all, pretty impressive given how much they had to travel and play this week.

I saw St. Thomas at the beginning of the year - I think they're a very similar team, in terms of personnel, to CNU.  I think CNU could be better, although I saw a tired team, so it's tough to judge consistency.  I want to see a little more out of the big men, but this seems to be a team that could make it to Salem - especially given how few other contenders exist on the East Coast this year.  Unless they end up in bracket with some of those Great Lakes teams, they're probably a favorite to make the Final Four.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MW_Eagles on February 08, 2016, 09:28:27 AM
Hi all, new to this board.   Mary Washington grad and follower.    Looking forward to keeping up with the discussion around the CAC.   As people have noted, really excited about the direction Kahn has the team going in.   Very young team that's probably lost some games they shouldn't have, but have grown throughout the season.   At one point they were starting 3 freshman before Shaw came back.     Heading to the CNU game on Wednesday, I just hope they show up better than the first half last time!  Huge log jam after Salisbury in the standings.  Should be a fun couple of weeks as 3-6 seeds are settled for the tournament. 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on February 08, 2016, 10:18:07 AM
Wow, CNU snatched another victory from the jaws of defeat...these guys are resilient!  Daly was huge AGAIN...he'll easily be the CAC player of the week.  What's up w/McFarland?  If I remember correctly, he attempted a total of 13 shots over the last three games...he is/was their leading scorer and probably the best shooter in the conference!  I can understand trying to be selective and taking good shots, but that's ridiculous...if it's because teams are playing him tougher, he simply has to work harder to get his looks.  At any rate, fantastic win, Captains!

Nice commentary, Hoops Fan!

Welcome, MW_Eagles...what year did you graduate?  Unlike you, I'd love to see another first half like the one in Fredericksburg ;)...UMW is playing well, so I'm expecting a very tough game.

GO CAPS!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MW_Eagles on February 08, 2016, 10:21:48 AM
Graduated in 1999.   Grew up about a mile from CNU.  Spent many a summer at CJ's basketball camps!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on February 08, 2016, 10:31:28 AM
Really?  Did you play for the Eagles?  If I had stayed, I would have graduated from Mary Washington in '95, but thank goodness I transferred to CNU! ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MW_Eagles on February 08, 2016, 10:45:14 AM
No unfortunately didn't play. 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: jesskleangda on February 08, 2016, 12:10:07 PM
Welcome aboard MW_Eagles.  You and I are Eagle fans in this forum. 

Very excited about the direction of the Eagles, and their recent surge.  Wednesday will be a good and tough game.  Like you said, the last few weeks are going to be fun.

GO EAGLES.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on February 09, 2016, 08:31:23 AM
The CNU men remain at #6 in the latest poll, while the women move up five spots from #23 to #18...a couple of big ones tomorrow at the Free against UMW, especially for the women, as the Lady Eagles broke into the poll at #23.

GO CAPS & LADY CAPS!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 09, 2016, 08:47:59 PM

Column got posted today.

http://d3hoops.com/columns/around-the-region/mid-atlantic/2015-16/cnu-cruising
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on February 10, 2016, 08:26:33 AM
Nice article, Ryan!  I hope both teams can keep it going...

It's GAME DAY!

GO CAPS!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on February 10, 2016, 01:44:51 PM
I hope McFarland is aggressive and gets his shots off tonight...get after it and finish strong, Captains!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 10, 2016, 01:55:32 PM
Regional Rankings: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2016/02/10/first-2016-regional-rankings-released-today/
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: jmill07 on February 10, 2016, 08:00:17 PM
Top 10 team for CNU men, but Captains don't fill the gym.  Only one crowd over 1,000....too many things going on at CNU?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 11, 2016, 08:14:41 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on February 09, 2016, 08:47:59 PM

Column got posted today.

http://d3hoops.com/columns/around-the-region/mid-atlantic/2015-16/cnu-cruising

Good piece! Nicely Done Ryan!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 11, 2016, 08:22:11 AM
Quote from: jmill07 on February 10, 2016, 08:00:17 PM
Top 10 team for CNU men, but Captains don't fill the gym.  Only one crowd over 1,000....too many things going on at CNU?

That's typical at CNU. The first few games don't draw as well. Then, the students are focused on final exams and papers for fall semester. One game was during Thanksgiving break. Then CNU schedules a ton of games over the holidays and in January before classes resume. I think 5 home games were played when there were no classes and the campus was empty. That's half the home games. There was a decent crowd last night. Box score said just over 1,000. Looked more than that to me, but maybe not.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MW_Eagles on February 11, 2016, 08:53:22 AM
Pretty interesting games last night, especially on the women's side .  What a tale of two halves!   

The men's game was about what I expected.   CNU kind of held the Eagles at arm's length the whole game.   Mary Wash couldn't keep up with the 3's from CNU.   Every time it got to 5 in the second half, CNU made a 3.   Decent showing I thought though.   MW is still very young, and playing games like this on the road can only benefit for the future.    That was my first game at the 'new' (I know it's not new anymore  :) CNU facility,  and it's an impressive facility.    Now just hoping MW can claw into the top 3 or 4 and host a first round CAC game.    Two home games (Marymount, So. Va) coming up that will dictate where they fall.    I was impressed with CNU, great shooters and good passing big men.   
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on February 11, 2016, 09:34:47 AM
Another solid win last night for CNU...good to see McFarland rebound from a rough week.  Mary Wash has some talent...they'll likely be tough next season.

Still trying to figure out how the CNU women almost blew a 34 point lead at the half...well, hopefully they'll learn from it and do a better job next time they're in that situation.

GO CAPS!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 11, 2016, 10:42:30 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on February 11, 2016, 09:34:47 AM
Another solid win last night for CNU...good to see McFarland rebound from a rough week.  Mary Wash has some talent...they'll likely be tough next season.

Still trying to figure out how the CNU women almost blew a 34 point lead at the half...well, hopefully they'll learn from it and do a better job next time they're in that situation.

GO CAPS!

No doubt that UMW will be tough every year. The coach they have is tremendous. Once he gets a full team with 100% his recruits they will contend year after year for as long as he is there. UMW got a winner and made a statement!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 11, 2016, 10:47:56 AM
Quote from: MW_Eagles on February 11, 2016, 08:53:22 AM
Pretty interesting games last night, especially on the women's side .  What a tale of two halves!   

The men's game was about what I expected.   CNU kind of held the Eagles at arm's length the whole game.   Mary Wash couldn't keep up with the 3's from CNU.   Every time it got to 5 in the second half, CNU made a 3.   Decent showing I thought though.   MW is still very young, and playing games like this on the road can only benefit for the future.    That was my first game at the 'new' (I know it's not new anymore  :) CNU facility,  and it's an impressive facility.    Now just hoping MW can claw into the top 3 or 4 and host a first round CAC game.    Two home games (Marymount, So. Va) coming up that will dictate where they fall.    I was impressed with CNU, great shooters and good passing big men.

Indeed the women's game was confusing to figure out. I was giving an exam during the first half so I was able to watch it on the computer in class. I announced the score at times. Students were getting ticked I think. I was messing up their concentration. HAHA!!  Then I started watching the 3rd qt and figured CNU would stop the temporary run. Oops was I wrong. By the time I got to the Freeman it was a 5 point game. Had that game lasted 2 more minutes UMW wins.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: jesskleangda on February 11, 2016, 11:37:02 AM
Tough game last night for UMW.  CNU is very good and is a legit final four contender.  They are fun to watch (when they aren't playing your team).  UMW continues to show promise, and has a very bright future.  I couldn't agree more with CNU85's post above.  When coach gets his squad together, I expect that UMW will be a national contender too.  The CAC is going to be very fun and competitive.

like MW_Eagles said, these last three games for the Eagles are crucial.  Could climb into the top 3 or 4 for the tourney - but not going to be easy.  Gotta get that energy back like they had during the recent winning streak.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MW_Eagles on February 13, 2016, 07:50:11 PM
Made it up to Fredericksburg today.  Big wins for both the men and women. 

The men's game was a great game between two teams fighting for their playoff lives.   Ferry is good for Marymount and his shooting was key.     Shaw made some great plays to seal it for MW.  Big one Wednesday against SVU.  Go Eagles!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on February 16, 2016, 09:02:26 AM
Another solid win for CNU at York on Saturday...the theme of the season for the Captains, with two more games to go before the conference tournament starts.  CNU moves up one spot to #5, while Salisbury receives 22 votes, up from 5 last week, I believe...

Anyone have any thoughts on the player of the year?  I think Marcus Carter has a good shot at it...coach of the year is a no brainer, and very deserving.

GO CAPS!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 17, 2016, 10:18:46 PM

Mary Wash secured their playoff spot tonight.  There's a scenario, I think, for any of the other teams being left out depending on results in the last game.  Basically, you really, really, really need to win that last game.  Only Southern Virginia and St. Mary's control their own destiny.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: jesskleangda on February 17, 2016, 10:32:33 PM
I think UMW also secured third seed.  St. Mary's and SVU could tie them, but I believe UMW holds tie breaker against both.  Let me know if i'm wrong.  Also, congrats to coach Kahn on 250th career win against Marymount on Saturday.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 18, 2016, 08:05:40 AM
Quote from: jesskleangda on February 17, 2016, 10:32:33 PM
I think UMW also secured third seed.  St. Mary's and SVU could tie them, but I believe UMW holds tie breaker against both.  Let me know if i'm wrong.  Also, congrats to coach Kahn on 250th career win against Marymount on Saturday.

I only went through enough tiebreakers to make sure no one else clinched a spot.  I figured I'd wait until the games are actually played or in the midst of being played to work through them all.  There are scenarios where SMC and SVU could be out - unlikely, but possible.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on February 18, 2016, 09:12:18 AM
Nice win for CNU last night against a decent St. Mary's team, but certainly not what they're use to having...Harney's a good coach, and I have nothing but respect for his program.  A big regular season finale on Saturday at the Free against Marymount...the women's game will be huge!

GO CAPS!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MW_Eagles on February 18, 2016, 11:56:23 AM
It sounds as if MW has locked up a home game, but not sure about 3rd yet.   They split with SVU, so I'm not sure what the next level tie breaker is after head to head. Does anyone know?    Beat PSU-H on Saturday and it doesn't matter, Mary Wash will get 3rd.   :)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: jesskleangda on February 18, 2016, 12:01:57 PM
Quote from: MW_Eagles on February 18, 2016, 11:56:23 AM
It sounds as if MW has locked up a home game, but not sure about 3rd yet.   They split with SVU, so I'm not sure what the next level tie breaker is after head to head. Does anyone know?    Beat PSU-H on Saturday and it doesn't matter, Mary Wash will get 3rd.   :)


POST-SEASON/CHAMPIONSHIP SCHEDULING GUIDING PRINCIPLES
d) Tiebreakers:
     1) Head to head
     2) Record vs. CAC teams, starting at the top of the standings
     3) Scoring Differential with a Cap (if committee agrees to use this tiebreaker
     4) Flip a coin

But you are right MW - we gotta win Saturday.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on February 22, 2016, 08:27:20 AM
A big congrats to the Captains for going undefeated in the regular season...only the second team in conference history to do so!  Now, more importantly, it's championship week...okay, boys, let's keep it going as we head towards bigger and better things!

GO CAPS!

Tough loss for the Lady Caps...more to come on the women's board.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: jesskleangda on February 22, 2016, 11:46:21 AM
UMW with a dominating win on Saturday (although it got a little too close for comfort at the end) without probably the league's best freshman.  This is a squad that was probably the league's worst a year and a half ago, now they are hosting a first round game.  The future is bright - but that doesn't change the fact that their next loss will be their last.  Lets go Eagles.

Congrats to CNU on a dominating season.  I expect them to make a deep run in the Tourney. 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MW_Eagles on February 22, 2016, 02:44:01 PM
That was a nice game for MW on Saturday.   Shaw is really starting to click.   I hope Madison is back for the tournament, not sure why he sat out this week.   I'll be in Fred tomorrow for the game.   

Should be an exciting tournament! 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 23, 2016, 08:23:40 AM
Let the games begin! Good luck to your respective teams tonight. I need to go get my tickets for Thursday night. Gotta love this time of year (unless you're my wife!)

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on February 23, 2016, 09:44:02 AM
Quote from: jesskleangda on February 22, 2016, 11:46:21 AM
UMW with a dominating win on Saturday (although it got a little too close for comfort at the end) without probably the league's best freshman.  This is a squad that was probably the league's worst a year and a half ago, now they are hosting a first round game.  The future is bright - but that doesn't change the fact that their next loss will be their last.  Lets go Eagles.

Congrats to CNU on a dominating season.  I expect them to make a deep run in the Tourney.

Thanks, jess...I'm hoping CNU will make a deep run in the tourney.  I think they'll host at least one game...hopefully more, if they continue to win...this time of year, all the teams are good, so it won't be easy.

CNU remains at #5 in the most recent poll...Salisbury breaks in at #23...likely makes for a top 25 showdown for the conference tournament championship!

GO CAPS!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: jesskleangda on February 23, 2016, 05:24:23 PM
CNU obviously would receive an at-large bid.  Would Salisbury?  Do they need to make the Conf. Tourney Championship?  What are your thoughts?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 23, 2016, 05:32:56 PM
CNU is a lock. Salisbury needs to work at things. I would have a better answer to this once regional rankings come out this week to see exactly where Salisbury is positioned and if they have gotten any help from other teams entering the rankings (or gotten hurt with others falling out). However, I think if Salisbury loses in the semifinals, they are screwed. If they lose in the championship they are in better shape... BUT they have to hope there aren't a lot of upsets around the rest of the country. Each upset will make their bubble more and more delicate.

They will absolutely be on a tough bubble come Sunday should they lose, but again I want to see Wendesday's rankings to be sure.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on February 24, 2016, 08:38:44 AM
Well, tomorrow night is set...the CNU men will play St. Mary's and the women will play Mary Wash...an especially tough game for the women.

GO CAPS!

I don't know, Dave, the prognosticators on the multi-regional board seem to think Salisbury is a virtual lock in pool c...
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 24, 2016, 09:07:48 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on February 24, 2016, 08:38:44 AM
Well, tomorrow night is set...the CNU men will play St. Mary's and the women will play Mary Wash...an especially tough game for the women.

GO CAPS!

I don't know, Dave, the prognosticators on the multi-regional board seem to think Salisbury is a virtual lock in pool c...

They're a lock with no upsets, but Dave always assumes (usually, rightly) a rough weekend for the league leaders.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 24, 2016, 09:50:05 AM
Listen, until I see the rankings later today to get a better understanding... and until I know the weekend won't be rough, a team like Salisbury is going to be dangerous for me. I am not saying they aren't in... I am just saying they aren't locked.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on February 24, 2016, 10:50:34 AM
Okay, guys, we'll have to see how things pan out...it would be nice to see the conference get two teams into the tournament, particularly w/o CNU being upset. 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MW_Eagles on February 24, 2016, 11:53:22 AM
This is setting up to be an exciting Thursday.    I went to the UMW game last night and they pulled out a close one.  Lutkenhaus was an animal the last couple of minutes of regulation and OT.  A lot of good hustle plays that kept rebounds alive and a big 3 to tie it with 6 seconds in regulation.  Wesley played really well.  I felt MW let them get to the rim a little too easily as they had a lot of easy lay-ups and short jumpers.   They passed out of doubles really well and MW didn't rotate fast enough.  Good balance from MW scoring wise, and nice to see Madison back in there. 

Best of luck to all of the teams.    Especially the Eagles :) 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 24, 2016, 01:53:22 PM
Quote from: MW_Eagles on February 24, 2016, 11:53:22 AM
This is setting up to be an exciting Thursday.    I went to the UMW game last night and they pulled out a close one.  Lutkenhaus was an animal the last couple of minutes of regulation and OT.  A lot of good hustle plays that kept rebounds alive and a big 3 to tie it with 6 seconds in regulation.  Wesley played really well.  I felt MW let them get to the rim a little too easily as they had a lot of easy lay-ups and short jumpers.   They passed out of doubles really well and MW didn't rotate fast enough.  Good balance from MW scoring wise, and nice to see Madison back in there. 

Best of luck to all of the teams.    Especially the Eagles :)

I just had the live stats on when I got home and Wesley was up and it was late in the game. That must have been a fun game to watch...especially for UMW fans!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 24, 2016, 02:13:51 PM
Final public regional rankings are out: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2016/02/24/third-ncaa-regional-ranking/
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 24, 2016, 02:55:54 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on February 24, 2016, 10:50:34 AM
Okay, guys, we'll have to see how things pan out...it would be nice to see the conference get two teams into the tournament, particularly w/o CNU being upset.

With the new rankings out, Salisbury is virtually tied with Catholic and a little ahead of Scranton - so I think if Salisbury wins the semis and loses the final, they're in good shape to be on the table early with a decent resume.  If they lose in the semis and Scranton beats Susqehanna, then the Gulls could drop below Catholic and Scranton and it would be all but over for them.

I think the MA Region teams are positioned pretty well to get a good number of Pool C bids.  I like two teams from both the CAC and the Landmark (maybe three from the Landmark depending on how it plays out).  But, of course, it all depends on upsets elsewhere.  SOS numbers around .550 with 20 wins is a very strong resume, especially with the number of RRO games (and wins).
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: jesskleangda on February 24, 2016, 05:58:28 PM
When do CAC all-conference teams/awards get announced?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on February 25, 2016, 08:25:57 AM
I thought they would have been out by now, jess...I guess they wait until the conference tournament is over?

GAME DAY!

GO CAPS!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 25, 2016, 03:40:16 PM
Finally get to make it to a game tonight!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 25, 2016, 06:25:26 PM
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Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 25, 2016, 11:11:18 PM
Well that was too close for me. But a win is a win. St. Mary's came to play. That's for sure. When their guy, who had 2 air balls earlier, launched a half court shot at the buzzer for the win, I just thought "oh no! Anybody but him". It would have been poetic justice had he made the shot. But it bounced off the rim. Whew.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: jesskleangda on February 26, 2016, 05:19:10 PM
Well it was a successful season for UMW especially when you consider where this program was at the beginning of last season.  They improved by 7 games even with Eric Shaw missing 12 games.  I'm excited for the future.  Let's hope the recruits recognize the trajectory and want to be a part of this first class program.  Here's hoping Coach Kahn will get back to the Final Four!

Good luck to CNU and Salisbury.  Can't wait for next season.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on February 26, 2016, 09:57:00 PM
Should be a good one tomorrow...I expect a real battle that will go down to the wire, and let me say this...I believe in karma, and I wouldn't be surprised if CNU won in dramatic fashion, just as Salisbury did last year.

GO CAPS!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 27, 2016, 02:00:28 PM
At the game. About to start. Place is somewhat dead. Spring break. Everyone is gone. At least pep band is here. And dance team and cheerleaders.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 27, 2016, 02:05:03 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 27, 2016, 02:00:28 PM
At the game. About to start. Place is somewhat dead. Spring break. Everyone is gone. At least pep band is here. And dance team and cheerleaders.

Are the on trimesters or something?  That's an early Spring break.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 27, 2016, 02:32:49 PM
A lot of schools started spring break this week. Cabrini is one of them.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 27, 2016, 03:00:39 PM
swish. Look for pm
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 27, 2016, 04:06:51 PM
There's your karma, Swish. I will have more comments in a few. SU coach had to be escorted off court by police. Really, dude.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: jmill07 on February 27, 2016, 04:15:39 PM
CNU barely wins CAC championship on its own court...two games by a total of two points...Cappies should hope for NCAA tourney games at home to extend their season...today's championship score, CNU 68, Salisbury 67
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 27, 2016, 04:22:47 PM
Last year at Salisbury the Gulls win on FT with .7 seconds left on clock. This year CNU wins on FT with .4 seconds left. Crazy.  Gulls should be in dance. Really good team. Really good!!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 27, 2016, 04:24:40 PM
Post game now. CNU coach is class act.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 27, 2016, 04:51:18 PM
My thoughts on game. It was amazing. The players on both teams just put it out there and left everything on the floor. CNU coach said on post game that he hopes SU makes the NCAA and that they deserve it. He called the Gulls players, "gamers" and had a lot of praise for them. I'm wondering why #15 plays more than #12 for SU. He couldn't match up against our #44 today. I noticed this in previous games between the teams. He hustles for sure, so maybe that's it.

Not sure what happened after the game but as I was walking out (I left as soon as the buzzer sounded. Most people stayed for cutting of nets) the SU coach was way across the court yelling into the stands and being escorted back to the bench and locker room by CNU police. Good thing the cop was a veteran cop and  kept his cool. SU coach was out of his mind. Gotta learn how to temper that. Not a great example. CAC commissioner was there. Will be interesting to see if anything happens from a disciplinary standpoint. My guess is probably not.

Fantastic game to watch. I hope SU makes the dance. They are really good and can go far! Stay tuned for brackets on Monday.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 27, 2016, 04:56:25 PM
Quote from: jmill07 on February 27, 2016, 04:15:39 PM
CNU barely wins CAC championship on its own court...two games by a total of two points...Cappies should hope for NCAA tourney games at home to extend their season...today's championship score, CNU 68, Salisbury 67

CNU has a better road record than home record this year. Teams that are 26-1 will have a few games that are close and some that are just plain ugly. And in the last stages of the tournament, games are going to be close. Really good teams learn how to win any possible way they can. "Cappies" are just finding a way to win. And we will most likely host next week. It's a shame that today and next week is spring break. Other than the band, not many students there today.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: jesskleangda on February 27, 2016, 06:00:14 PM
I repeat (see my February 3 post after last Salisbury/CNU game).  what a disappointment.

similar ending to Cabrini/Neumann semifinal game.  Refs can't help themselves I guess.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 27, 2016, 07:46:38 PM
Yeah, I was watching the live stream.  I thought they'd blown a late whistle on the initial lay-up, but apparently they blew a whistle on the put-back and then gave the foul to a Salisbury player who wasn't near the play.  It probably should've gone to double OT, but Salisbury will get into the tournament - they've got a very strong Pool C resume.


This is a little homer-y, but it details what happened pretty well - http://www.delmarvanow.com/story/sports/college/2016/02/27/sea-gulls-lose-cac-title-game-after-controversial-call/81043414/

I can't help think a little about karma here.  Salisbury "beat" Southern Vermont at the Hoopsville Classic in November because their (Salisbury's) scorer made a mistake in the book.  Funny how that kind of luck seems to go around and come back around.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 27, 2016, 08:18:29 PM
SU gets a bid. I would be shocked if they did not.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on February 29, 2016, 04:35:07 PM
Two words come to mind regarding the conference tournament championship this past Saturday..."poetic justice".  As CNU85 mentioned, the Captains were called for a foul last year at Salisbury with .7 of a second remaining and CNU leading by one point...the Gulls made two free throws and won by one point, essentially ripping CNU's heart out.  This time, the Captains were on the better end of a very similar call in Newport News, so the basketball gods made amends for last year...it's an extremely tough way to lose, and I sympathize w/Salisbury to a point, but they have to suck it up, just like CNU had to the previous year.  The ref clearly made a call before the buzzer sounded, but in the midst of a lengthy discussion with the other refs, he ended up calling it on the wrong guy...he accidentally called it on #15, when it should have been #22, which happens.  That likely added to the drama surrounding the call, 'cause #15 wasn't real close to the play, but the ref simply made a mistake...there was still a foul, but the wrong player got credit for it.  If Salisbury's coach would have gotten his hands on one of the refs afterwards, I swear he might have strangled them...he was running around the court like a maniac!  I hope he'd say it wasn't one of his better moments, but that was crazy...I haven't witnessed anything like that in my life.  Once the game ended, though, I could see a mutual respect and good sportsmanship between the players and coaches...Coach Sachs did compose himself long enough to shake hands.  All the drama aside, it was a classic heavyweight battle, as I expected...congratulations to CNU for their regular season and conference tournament championships!

GO CAPS!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on March 01, 2016, 08:59:45 AM
CNU will host Lycoming Friday night...don't know anything about them, except they got hot at the right time and won their conference tourney.  Don't want to get caught looking ahead, 'cause every team in the tournament is capable of winning, but Saturday could feature CNU and NYU...I know nothing about them either, except they play in a very tough conference and are on the verge of entering the top 25 poll.  Speaking of the poll, CNU moved up one spot to #4, even though it says 5, while Salisbury dropped one spot to #24...the Gulls will be playing in a pod at Stockton, which I think they're capable of winning.

GO CAPS!  GO CAC!

Ryan and Dave...given CNU's season to date, do you think they got a good draw?

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Mid-Atlantic Fan on March 01, 2016, 09:12:17 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on March 01, 2016, 08:59:45 AM
CNU will host Lycoming Friday night...don't know anything about them, except they got hot at the right time and won their conference tourney.  Don't want to get caught looking ahead, 'cause every team in the tournament is capable of winning, but Saturday could feature CNU and NYU...I know nothing about them either, except they play in a very tough conference and are on the verge of entering the top 25 poll.  Speaking of the poll, CNU moved up one spot to #4, even though it says 5, while Salisbury dropped one spot to #24...the Gulls will be playing in a pod at Stockton, which I think they're capable of winning.

GO CAPS!  GO CAC!

Ryan and Dave...given CNU's season to date, do you think they got a good draw?

Lycoming started out the season well with a 14-3 record but then went cold for the last 8 games with a 2-6 record. That put them at 16-9 entering conference playoffs and they went from being the favored 1 seed to barely sneaking in as the 5 seed thanks to tie breakers. But the second season has provided them with some new life and they went on the road for all 3 games in playoffs taking down #4, #1, and #3 on their way to the title. I have only seen them play twice this season, but from those games they are fast, athletic, and high pressure. They shoot the three well and love to get out in transition. They want a high scoring game and they don't care if they give up 85 points because they are trying to put up 95. I am not familiar with CNU, but I have heard they are a good defensive team so this will be a nice match up of offense vs defense. 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on March 01, 2016, 09:51:33 AM
Thanks, Fan...they sound similar to Wesley, who gave CNU all they could handle this season...should be a good game!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 01, 2016, 11:23:37 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on March 01, 2016, 08:59:45 AM
CNU will host Lycoming Friday night...don't know anything about them, except they got hot at the right time and won their conference tourney.  Don't want to get caught looking ahead, 'cause every team in the tournament is capable of winning, but Saturday could feature CNU and NYU...I know nothing about them either, except they play in a very tough conference and are on the verge of entering the top 25 poll.  Speaking of the poll, CNU moved up one spot to #4, even though it says 5, while Salisbury dropped one spot to #24...the Gulls will be playing in a pod at Stockton, which I think they're capable of winning.

GO CAPS!  GO CAC!

Ryan and Dave...given CNU's season to date, do you think they got a good draw?

I think the bracketing went to seed about as much as they've ever done it before.  They really worked hard to make them as even as possible.  CNU got a great bracket.  Brooklyn/NYU is as close to an 8-9 game as you can get, I think.  Lycoming comes from an often underrated conference, but I asked their coach about it when I talked to him yesterday and he said he thought the conference overall was down this year and they got the seed they deserve.

They still think they can compete (and the teams are similar - long bench, spread out scoring, etc), but they certainly know it's a major uphill battle.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on March 01, 2016, 01:48:11 PM
Just bought my tickets for Friday. You need to call. I went to the Freeman during lunch today. The sign says the box office will not open until Friday die to Spring Break. But you can call and purchase them ahead of time so you don't have to wait in the long ticket line (1 window for tix in the freeman can be rough at times). 757-594-7880 is the ticket office number. You can also purchase tickets for Saturday, but I didn't want to count those chickens just yet!

I'm really looking forward to the game. I'm not sure about NCAA rules on hosting. I sort of remember you had to pretend it is a neutral site, thus no pep band or cheerleaders. But I may just be flat out incorrect on that. Does anyone know the scoop?

I'm going to go to both games Friday. It will be fun to watch teams that I know absolutely zero about battle each other. NYU and Brooklyn. I've done some basic research but nothing really stands out.

If anyone is traveling down for the weekend and needs tips on places to stay or restaurants or things to do, just let me know. I will do my best to help out. Be safe!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 01, 2016, 01:55:42 PM
They do treat it more neutral including if a team was hosting who was actually ranked lower they would wear their road colors at home... but that doesn't mean a pep band and cheerleaders aren't allowed. They have guidelines and such for both in their handbook(s).

But for example, if a team's PA announcer was way over the top of their team usually... the NCAA would request that be dialed back to a more neutral sound with some allowances (it is usually a gray area).
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ronk on March 01, 2016, 06:13:42 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on March 01, 2016, 01:48:11 PM
Just bought my tickets for Friday. You need to call. I went to the Freeman during lunch today. The sign says the box office will not open until Friday die to Spring Break. But you can call and purchase them ahead of time so you don't have to wait in the long ticket line (1 window for tix in the freeman can be rough at times). 757-594-7880 is the ticket office number. You can also purchase tickets for Saturday, but I didn't want to count those chickens just yet!

I'm really looking forward to the game. I'm not sure about NCAA rules on hosting. I sort of remember you had to pretend it is a neutral site, thus no pep band or cheerleaders. But I may just be flat out incorrect on that. Does anyone know the scoop?

I'm going to go to both games Friday. It will be fun to watch teams that I know absolutely zero about battle each other. NYU and Brooklyn. I've done some basic research but nothing really stands out.

If anyone is traveling down for the weekend and needs tips on places to stay or restaurants or things to do, just let me know. I will do my best to help out. Be safe!

Here's a link to the championship manual; i think there's a discussion about pep bands, etc.
https://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files/2015-16_DIIIMBB_HostOps_20160120.pdf
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on March 02, 2016, 08:33:33 AM
Quote from: ronk on March 01, 2016, 06:13:42 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on March 01, 2016, 01:48:11 PM
Just bought my tickets for Friday. You need to call. I went to the Freeman during lunch today. The sign says the box office will not open until Friday die to Spring Break. But you can call and purchase them ahead of time so you don't have to wait in the long ticket line (1 window for tix in the freeman can be rough at times). 757-594-7880 is the ticket office number. You can also purchase tickets for Saturday, but I didn't want to count those chickens just yet!

I'm really looking forward to the game. I'm not sure about NCAA rules on hosting. I sort of remember you had to pretend it is a neutral site, thus no pep band or cheerleaders. But I may just be flat out incorrect on that. Does anyone know the scoop?

I'm going to go to both games Friday. It will be fun to watch teams that I know absolutely zero about battle each other. NYU and Brooklyn. I've done some basic research but nothing really stands out.

If anyone is traveling down for the weekend and needs tips on places to stay or restaurants or things to do, just let me know. I will do my best to help out. Be safe!

Here's a link to the championship manual; i think there's a discussion about pep bands, etc.
https://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files/2015-16_DIIIMBB_HostOps_20160120.pdf

Good info. Thanks for the link!! Will be interesting to see what CNU does. Might be moot since this is spring break so most students are long gone on a beach or cruise ship!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on March 04, 2016, 08:22:01 AM
GAME DAY!

GO CAPS!  GO CAC!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on March 04, 2016, 10:07:13 PM
I just saw how Sakisbury lost tonight. Ouch! That just hurts! Congrats to SU on a great season. The last 2 games were not very kind. Keep the faith!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on March 04, 2016, 10:53:36 PM
CNU wins tonight. Spring break and the crowd still numbered over 2,000. These NCAA rules about only having 25 pep band members at games is stupid! And only 12 cheerleaders/dance team members. Also stupid. I guess that's my word of the day. Stupid.

NYU is huge!!! Tomorrow will be tough. We have to play better than we did tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on March 05, 2016, 10:05:11 AM
You're right, '85, NYU is huge and talented...they were impressive.  The Captains will have to play very well to have a chance tonight...

GO CAPS!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on March 05, 2016, 09:27:44 PM
Great game!! CNU allowe first 8 points. I was thinking this was going to be tough to dig out of that hole. It was tough. But when the lead was exchanging hands in the 50's I was thinking if we can get the lead, we will keep it and pull out the W. NYU is really good! 9 guys 6-6 or taller. CNU fought hard, played within the team, Carter stepped up the way th conference POY should and wow- what agame. Great environment! Keene St is next. Waiting to find out where. Go Captains!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: pg04 on March 05, 2016, 09:46:17 PM
CNU's video is very good (as is the team, of course).

Even as a SUNYAC fan (although displaced) I kinda wish the sectional was there for that very reason.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 05, 2016, 10:41:45 PM
I heard that the Oswego-Gwynedd game was basically to decide the host. With Oswego winning it promises CNU flies. Had GMC won, no flights would have been needed.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on March 06, 2016, 09:43:15 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 05, 2016, 10:41:45 PM
I heard that the Oswego-Gwynedd game was basically to decide the host. With Oswego winning it promises CNU flies. Had GMC won, no flights would have been needed.

Ugh. That would suck. I guess we will find out later today. Then decisions can be made.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on March 06, 2016, 12:45:13 PM
Oswego it is! As much as I don't like it, if you really understand how the NCAA operates Division III sports, this makes sense. Better to fly one team, than 2 or 3. From a competition standpoint CNU earned the right to be the host, but that's not how it works in D3. I looked at a map, I would rather bus to Oswego than fly. You can make it in 9 hours.  You load up once. Flying will involve 2 flights, a layover,  possible flight delays, etc. Just get on the bus and settle down for the trip. But that's just me. I love driving.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 06, 2016, 12:50:11 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on March 06, 2016, 12:45:13 PM
Oswego it is! As much as I don't like it, if you really understand how the NCAA operates Division III sports, this makes sense. Better to fly one team, than 2 or 3. From a competition standpoint CNU earned the right to be the host, but that's not how it works in D3. I looked at a map, I would rather bus to Oswego than fly. You can make it in 9 hours.  You load up once. Flying will involve 2 flights, a layover,  possible flight delays, etc. Just get on the bus and settle down for the trip. But that's just me. I love driving.

CNU could opt to drive if it wanted to. It definitely happens.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on March 06, 2016, 03:41:37 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 06, 2016, 12:50:11 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on March 06, 2016, 12:45:13 PM
Oswego it is! As much as I don't like it, if you really understand how the NCAA operates Division III sports, this makes sense. Better to fly one team, than 2 or 3. From a competition standpoint CNU earned the right to be the host, but that's not how it works in D3. I looked at a map, I would rather bus to Oswego than fly. You can make it in 9 hours.  You load up once. Flying will involve 2 flights, a layover,  possible flight delays, etc. Just get on the bus and settle down for the trip. But that's just me. I love driving.

CNU could opt to drive if it wanted to. It definitely happens.

I wondered about that and how the NCAA handles travel. Is it a set amount of money or is it actually reimbursed after travel? I was talking to NYU parents and they said they flew. But then I couldn't tell if they meant the team flew or just the particular people I was talking to.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 06, 2016, 05:23:02 PM
If the team flew they did it on NYU's dime. I doubt that they were referring to the team.

Teams that fly on the NCAA's dime call the NCAA travel office and book it through there so I expect that it's billed straight to the NCAA, at least for the official 18-person travel party. I expect it's the same way for busing but don't know a whole lot about that process.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on March 06, 2016, 08:22:32 PM
Fantastic win for CNU last night...NYU really dominated the post, but the Captains were still able to get it done!  Into the sweet sixteen for the first time in fifteen years!

I can't be as diplomatic as '85 about Oswego hosting...that's a complete pile of garbage!  Yeah, I know how the ncaa treats division three, but that doesn't make it right...at least one team, probably more, gets jobbed every year and, unfortunately, it's CNU this time.  It's a shame they're such cheap bastards...

GO CAPS!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on March 06, 2016, 08:58:56 PM
Just watched NYU's post game interview...classy program.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on March 07, 2016, 06:42:29 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on March 06, 2016, 08:58:56 PM
Just watched NYU's post game interview...classy program.

Post the link
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 07, 2016, 07:01:14 AM
Quote from: CNU85 on March 06, 2016, 12:45:13 PM
Oswego it is! As much as I don't like it, if you really understand how the NCAA operates Division III sports, this makes sense. Better to fly one team, than 2 or 3. From a competition standpoint CNU earned the right to be the host, but that's not how it works in D3. I looked at a map, I would rather bus to Oswego than fly. You can make it in 9 hours.  You load up once. Flying will involve 2 flights, a layover,  possible flight delays, etc. Just get on the bus and settle down for the trip. But that's just me. I love driving.

I was wondering about that, too - so I looked at flights.  There's a couple that go through Philly with quick layovers between Newport News and Syracuse - total travel time is like 3 hours.  That's not bad.  I'm sure the NCAA will be happy if they want to bus; it was like $500 a ticket for the flight.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on March 07, 2016, 08:10:06 AM
Philly - the #1 airport in U.S. to lose baggage!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on March 07, 2016, 08:25:06 AM
Hopefully this will work, '85...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Z59gLdLu9dg
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on March 07, 2016, 11:25:09 AM
Just read an article in the local Daily Mess (Press). It says CNU is only 400 miles from Oswego. Googlemaps has it at 581 miles. What is the "official" mileage used by the NCAA? I can't imagine googlemaps is 181 miles different.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: pg04 on March 07, 2016, 11:30:13 AM
This is the site used for all such decisions: https://web1.ncaa.org/TES/exec/miles

This says 576 so not sure where the author of the article would be getting his info.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: San Juan on March 07, 2016, 11:35:02 AM
From Scranton to Newport News Va is 404.3.from Scranton to Oswego it is 174.4 and the best way to get to Oswego is up  81 north thru Scranton.Hope that helps you out.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on March 07, 2016, 11:39:54 AM
Thanks for the info! Perhaps the writer got Scranton confused with Oswego. The CNU women are heading to Scranton. Or perhaps it is just another case of the Daily Mess.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on March 11, 2016, 08:27:06 AM
GAME DAY!

There are so many things I could say, but that might take forever...I'll keep it short and sweet...GO CAPS!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on March 12, 2016, 09:39:33 AM
Elite 8 for second time in program history. I'm hoping for a different outcome tonight. It should be a very tight game. Go Captains!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on March 12, 2016, 05:27:43 PM
Saturdaychores are done!  Let's get this game started! Hey Swish, did you listen to the radio broadcast yesterday and Tmmasino?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: pg04 on March 12, 2016, 05:46:26 PM
I'm hoping the video is better today! Oswego did not do a good job on that IMO. Especially when compared to seeing CNU last week. Other SUNYAC schools have superior streams as well so I'm not sure why theirs needs to be so poor...
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on March 12, 2016, 08:58:47 PM
My video froze.  Then I lost live stats in second half. But listened to local radio for CNU sports. FINAL FOUR!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: AllStar on March 12, 2016, 09:40:04 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on March 12, 2016, 08:58:47 PM
My video froze.  Then I lost live stats in second half. But listened to local radio for CNU sports. FINAL FOUR!!!!!!!!!!!!!

As a Keene State fan, congratulations to Christopher Newport on making the Final Four!  Good luck in Salem.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on March 12, 2016, 09:53:00 PM
Quote from: AllStar on March 12, 2016, 09:40:04 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on March 12, 2016, 08:58:47 PM
My video froze.  Then I lost live stats in second half. But listened to local radio for CNU sports. FINAL FOUR!!!!!!!!!!!!!

As a Keene State fan, congratulations to Christopher Newport on making the Final Four!  Good luck in Salem.

Thank you very much! It will be fun. Salem is only a 4 hour drive. Will be lots of fans there! I booked my hotel last week. But with the ability to cancel without a penalty.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on March 12, 2016, 09:58:47 PM
Congrats CNU85. You'll really enjoy Salem as I did 4 years ago when Cabrini went in 2012. Hopefully you'll have a great weekend with a championship.  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on March 12, 2016, 10:06:18 PM
Quote from: mailsy on March 12, 2016, 09:58:47 PM
Congrats CNU85. You'll really enjoy Salem as I did 4 years ago when Cabrini went in 2012. Hopefully you'll have a great weekend with a championship.  :)

Salem is a nice little town. Been there quite a bit. Will be more fun this time! Looking forward to taking off work and heading there. There will be a few bus loads of students as well. Should be almost like a home game Friday. Then we will see what happens. Looks like we are playing St. Thomas.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 12, 2016, 10:13:59 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on March 12, 2016, 10:06:18 PM
Quote from: mailsy on March 12, 2016, 09:58:47 PM
Congrats CNU85. You'll really enjoy Salem as I did 4 years ago when Cabrini went in 2012. Hopefully you'll have a great weekend with a championship.  :)

Salem is a nice little town. Been there quite a bit. Will be more fun this time! Looking forward to taking off work and heading there. There will be a few bus loads of students as well. Should be almost like a home game Friday. Then we will see what happens. Looks like we are playing St. Thomas.


I'll be there as well.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on March 12, 2016, 10:25:47 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on March 12, 2016, 10:13:59 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on March 12, 2016, 10:06:18 PM
Quote from: mailsy on March 12, 2016, 09:58:47 PM
Congrats CNU85. You'll really enjoy Salem as I did 4 years ago when Cabrini went in 2012. Hopefully you'll have a great weekend with a championship.  :)

Salem is a nice little town. Been there quite a bit. Will be more fun this time! Looking forward to taking off work and heading there. There will be a few bus loads of students as well. Should be almost like a home game Friday. Then we will see what happens. Looks like we are playing St. Thomas.


I'll be there as well.

Super. Hopedully we can cross paths!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on March 14, 2016, 09:59:41 AM
Wow, what a weekend...the Captains finally break through and get to a Final Four, which isn't easy!  Man, this season has been so special...I would imagine CNU will be the underdog against St. Thomas, but I like that position.

GO CAPS!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on March 14, 2016, 11:03:27 AM
Quote from: CNU85 on March 12, 2016, 05:27:43 PM
Saturdaychores are done!  Let's get this game started! Hey Swish, did you listen to the radio broadcast yesterday and Tmmasino?

I watched the game online, then listened to Francis for the post game interview w/Coach K....
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 14, 2016, 03:00:59 PM
I have CNU as the winner on my bracket.  Looking good so far.  I picked 3 of the top 4 missed St. Thomas. :(
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on March 14, 2016, 03:04:42 PM
Just bought my ticket for the final four!! What is this thing they call Final Four?? Hahahahahaha!!!

Swish - was wondering if you were listening to Tommasino. I bug him during the game via text. Sometimes, like in the past two games, I get a shout out.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 14, 2016, 04:23:27 PM
Um... they actually don't call it the Final Four in Division III. LOL
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 14, 2016, 04:26:37 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 14, 2016, 04:23:27 PM
Um... they actually don't call it the Final Four in Division III. LOL

That's just because they trademarked it and if they let the other divisions call it that, they'll lose their protective rights for merchandise.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 14, 2016, 05:05:53 PM
Yep... D1 trademarked Final Four, Elite Eight, Sweet 16, Frozen Four, Baseball World Series, etc.

Championship Weekend is always easy to say. LOL
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on March 15, 2016, 09:02:07 AM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on March 14, 2016, 03:00:59 PM
I have CNU as the winner on my bracket.  Looking good so far.  I picked 3 of the top 4 missed St. Thomas. :(

Sounds good to me, RS!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on March 15, 2016, 09:08:33 AM
Quote from: CNU85 on March 14, 2016, 03:04:42 PM
Just bought my ticket for the final four!! What is this thing they call Final Four?? Hahahahahaha!!!

Swish - was wondering if you were listening to Tommasino. I bug him during the game via text. Sometimes, like in the past two games, I get a shout out.

I missed it, '85...speaking of broadcasters, I had to mute the audio in Oswego as I watched the game online...they were really bad, and that's probably being kind.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 15, 2016, 09:19:10 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on March 15, 2016, 09:08:33 AM
Quote from: CNU85 on March 14, 2016, 03:04:42 PM
Just bought my ticket for the final four!! What is this thing they call Final Four?? Hahahahahaha!!!

Swish - was wondering if you were listening to Tommasino. I bug him during the game via text. Sometimes, like in the past two games, I get a shout out.

I missed it, '85...speaking of broadcasters, I had to mute the audio in Oswego as I watched the game online...they were really bad, and that's probably being kind.

I found a new low this year.  I watched the MASCAC championship and Fitchburg had this girl doing color - now I wish she wasn't female because it's hard to criticize her without sounding sexist - there are lots of great female announcers out there, she was just not one of them.  I think I even tweeted about the play-by-play guy letting his girlfriend on the air, because he was decent, but she was talking over him and too loudly and didn't have the depth of knowledge needed for the game.  I really just felt bad for the guy.

There are some bad ones out there - of course I'm ok with it (although I do mute them), because a lot of time they're students and who wouldn't have had a ton of fun doing that in college, even if you weren't very good?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 15, 2016, 09:53:01 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 14, 2016, 05:05:53 PM
Yep... D1 trademarked Final Four, Elite Eight, Sweet 16, Frozen Four, Baseball World Series, etc.

Championship Weekend is always easy to say. LOL

My goodness, who cares? Let fans call it the Final Four!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on March 15, 2016, 10:59:43 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on March 15, 2016, 09:19:10 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on March 15, 2016, 09:08:33 AM
Quote from: CNU85 on March 14, 2016, 03:04:42 PM
Just bought my ticket for the final four!! What is this thing they call Final Four?? Hahahahahaha!!!

Swish - was wondering if you were listening to Tommasino. I bug him during the game via text. Sometimes, like in the past two games, I get a shout out.

I missed it, '85...speaking of broadcasters, I had to mute the audio in Oswego as I watched the game online...they were really bad, and that's probably being kind.

I found a new low this year.  I watched the MASCAC championship and Fitchburg had this girl doing color - now I wish she wasn't female because it's hard to criticize her without sounding sexist - there are lots of great female announcers out there, she was just not one of them.  I think I even tweeted about the play-by-play guy letting his girlfriend on the air, because he was decent, but she was talking over him and too loudly and didn't have the depth of knowledge needed for the game.  I really just felt bad for the guy.

There are some bad ones out there - of course I'm ok with it (although I do mute them), because a lot of time they're students and who wouldn't have had a ton of fun doing that in college, even if you weren't very good?

Totally agree, Ryan...these were definitely students at Oswego, who were enthusiastic and meant well, but simply not good.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on March 15, 2016, 01:13:06 PM
So, the fam and I bought tickets Saturday night for this weekend not knowing that the Salem Civic Center was going to designate certain sections to the four teams involved...as it turns out, we'll be in the freaking Amherst section, 'cause I could not get an exchange done for the same, or similar, seats in CNU's section.  Some how, some way, the process needs to be improved upon...>:(
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on March 15, 2016, 02:37:51 PM
Congrats to Marcus Carter on making first team all region...given CNU's season, how was Krikorian not the coach of the year in the mid-atlantic? ???
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: iwumichigander on March 15, 2016, 03:45:59 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on March 15, 2016, 01:13:06 PM
So, the fam and I bought tickets Saturday night for this weekend not knowing that the Salem Civic Center was going to designate certain sections to the four teams involved...as it turns out, we'll be in the freaking Amherst section, 'cause I could not get an exchange done for the same, or similar, seats in CNU's section.  Some how, some way, the process needs to be improved upon...>:(
Based on past trips to Salem, you should be able to do some swap at the Civic Center when you get there.  With a please and thank- you, the Civic Center staff has always been accommodating.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on March 15, 2016, 03:55:45 PM
Thanks, iwumichigander, I'll try....
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 15, 2016, 04:43:00 PM
The Civic Center folks are terrific. Trust me, they will take care of things for you so you can be with your fans. You will have a great time.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 15, 2016, 05:24:53 PM
Allow me to be the third to say you won't have a problem moving.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 15, 2016, 06:13:53 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on March 15, 2016, 02:37:51 PM
Congrats to Marcus Carter on making first team all region...given CNU's season, how was Krikorian not the coach of the year in the mid-atlantic? ???

Marcinek has never had a 20 win season before and his team also won a lot of games.  People expected CNU to be pretty good.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on March 16, 2016, 08:56:03 AM
I get what you're saying, Ryan, but Susquehanna had won 19 games the year before and CNU 20...Susq won 5 more games this season, while CNU has won 10 more to date and made it to the Final Four.  In my opinion, that has to be enough to give Coach K the nod....
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on March 16, 2016, 11:07:24 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on March 15, 2016, 01:13:06 PM
So, the fam and I bought tickets Saturday night for this weekend not knowing that the Salem Civic Center was going to designate certain sections to the four teams involved...as it turns out, we'll be in the freaking Amherst section, 'cause I could not get an exchange done for the same, or similar, seats in CNU's section.  Some how, some way, the process needs to be improved upon...>:(

Hmmm...I just picked up my ticket. I better run out to the car and check to see where I am sitting. I would think by purchasing the ticket from CNU, that I would be with CNU fans. Where did you purchase your ticket Swish?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on March 16, 2016, 11:08:26 AM
Hopefully there will be a few CNU students there. They have a sweet deal going on. A ticket to all 3 games, a bus ride, and a hotel stay Friday night.....all for $50.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 16, 2016, 11:32:38 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on March 16, 2016, 08:56:03 AM
I get what you're saying, Ryan, but Susquehanna had won 19 games the year before and CNU 20...Susq won 5 more games this season, while CNU has won 10 more to date and made it to the Final Four.  In my opinion, that has to be enough to give Coach K the nod....

Marcinek's squad went pretty long undefeated while playing the most difficult schedule they have ever faced/set-up for themselves especially out of conference. In fact, they got nearly three-quarters of the way through conference before they experienced an upset. They also went on to best their other Landmark partners by at least getting to the second round of the tournament. Yes, I understand CNU was in the final four and I understand they only have one loss... but the expectations for CNU were pretty high. The expectations for Susquehanna were not that high, especially with that schedule. Sometimes we are splitting hairs, but after a thorough discussion we felt Marcinek deserved the nod in the region.

Quote from: CNU85 on March 16, 2016, 11:08:26 AM
Hopefully there will be a few CNU students there. They have a sweet deal going on. A ticket to all 3 games, a bus ride, and a hotel stay Friday night.....all for $50.



It appears the college is picking up part of that cost. That is a great gesture on their part. Though, the bus trip is shorter... the fact that they can get to all four games (don't forget the all-star game LOL) and stay at a hotel is terrific for $50. Nice to see.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on March 16, 2016, 11:42:37 AM
Quote from: CNU85 on March 16, 2016, 11:07:24 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on March 15, 2016, 01:13:06 PM
So, the fam and I bought tickets Saturday night for this weekend not knowing that the Salem Civic Center was going to designate certain sections to the four teams involved...as it turns out, we'll be in the freaking Amherst section, 'cause I could not get an exchange done for the same, or similar, seats in CNU's section.  Some how, some way, the process needs to be improved upon...>:(

Hmmm...I just picked up my ticket. I better run out to the car and check to see where I am sitting. I would think by purchasing the ticket from CNU, that I would be with CNU fans. Where did you purchase your ticket Swish?

If you purchased the ticket through CNU, you're definitely sitting w/CNU folks...we bought ours through ticketmaster.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on March 16, 2016, 11:56:34 AM
how many of you are going?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on March 16, 2016, 01:17:23 PM
I'm sure it wasn't an easy decision, Dave, but even if I try to look at it from an unbiased perspective, Coach K gets the nod...as they say, we'll have to agree to disagree.  In terms of SOS, I think Massey is a better indicator of that than the NCAA and its criteria...that said, Massey has CNU's and Susquehanna's SOS at 48 and 166 respectively.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on March 16, 2016, 01:19:12 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on March 16, 2016, 11:56:34 AM
how many of you are going?

There will be seven of us....
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on March 16, 2016, 03:22:34 PM
That's a large gaggle. There will be one of us!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on March 16, 2016, 03:26:16 PM
Three of the seven are friends...two kids were plenty for my wife and I!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 16, 2016, 09:02:49 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on March 16, 2016, 01:17:23 PM
I'm sure it wasn't an easy decision, Dave, but even if I try to look at it from an unbiased perspective, Coach K gets the nod...as they say, we'll have to agree to disagree.  In terms of SOS, I think Massey is a better indicator of that than the NCAA and its criteria...that said, Massey has CNU's and Susquehanna's SOS at 48 and 166 respectively.

Well, all he has to do is win the title - then he's got a pretty good shot at national coach of the year.  That might be a good consolation prize.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on March 17, 2016, 08:34:26 AM
Not trying to make a big deal out of it...I'm sure Coach K could care less, but as a fan, it would have been nice to see him recognized.

Maybe I'll see you in Salem, Ryan....
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: pg04 on March 19, 2016, 03:12:04 PM
Congrats to CNU on a great run, including their first final 4. It looks like you all will be making the trip to Salem again very soon. I was impressed with the Captains resolve and ability to keep the game in reach. Many teams may have just gone away.

Good luck next season!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on March 21, 2016, 02:02:03 PM
Quote from: pg04 on March 19, 2016, 03:12:04 PM
Congrats to CNU on a great run, including their first final 4. It looks like you all will be making the trip to Salem again very soon. I was impressed with the Captains resolve and ability to keep the game in reach. Many teams may have just gone away.

Good luck next season!

Thanks! I was at the Final Four. CNU clearly belongs at that level. This season was not a fluke. I simply cannot wait for next season. And congrats to Marcus Carter...NABC first team All-American....as a sophomore!!

It was also nice to see Pat Coleman honored in Salem. I wish I would have been able to catch up to him and say thanks for all he has done!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 21, 2016, 03:02:40 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on March 21, 2016, 02:02:03 PM
Quote from: pg04 on March 19, 2016, 03:12:04 PM
Congrats to CNU on a great run, including their first final 4. It looks like you all will be making the trip to Salem again very soon. I was impressed with the Captains resolve and ability to keep the game in reach. Many teams may have just gone away.

Good luck next season!

Thanks! I was at the Final Four. CNU clearly belongs at that level. This season was not a fluke. I simply cannot wait for next season. And congrats to Marcus Carter...NABC first team All-American....as a sophomore!!

It was also nice to see Pat Coleman honored in Salem. I wish I would have been able to catch up to him and say thanks for all he has done!

Pat will still be there next year - just maybe not working as much.  He might have more free time to patrol the boards next season, who knows?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 22, 2016, 10:32:53 PM
What a season of Division III basketball and it isn't quite over with yet! The men might have crowned their championship, but the women have one more game to go.

On this episode of Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com), Dave McHugh looks back at the two championship weekends with help from Ryan Scott, Gordon Mann, and Adam Turer. We look at the championship for St. Thomas and the near perfect miss by Benedictine. We also take a look at the two semifinal games in women's basketball and the upcoming championship between St. Thomas and Tufts to be played in Indianapolis.

Dave also talks to Page Moir, head coach for Roanoke, who suddenly announced on Tuesday he is stepping down from the position and looking for something new to challenge him.

You can watch the show in its entirety or listen to the podcast above.

Guests include (in order of appearance):
- Page Moir, Roanoke men's coach
- Keith Bunkenburg, No. 2 Benedictine men's coach
- Steve Fritz, St. Thomas athletics director and former men's coach
- John Tauer, No 1. St. Thomas men's coach
- Ryan Scott, D3hoops.com Mid-Atlantic reporter
- Gordon Mann and Adam Turer, women's semifinals report
- Jeff Hans, No. 1 Thomas More women's coach
- Carla Berube, No. 7 Tufts women's coach

You can also tune into the podcast(s) after the show has aired:
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Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 30, 2016, 04:21:14 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on March 21, 2016, 03:02:40 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on March 21, 2016, 02:02:03 PM
Quote from: pg04 on March 19, 2016, 03:12:04 PM
Congrats to CNU on a great run, including their first final 4. It looks like you all will be making the trip to Salem again very soon. I was impressed with the Captains resolve and ability to keep the game in reach. Many teams may have just gone away.

Good luck next season!

Thanks! I was at the Final Four. CNU clearly belongs at that level. This season was not a fluke. I simply cannot wait for next season. And congrats to Marcus Carter...NABC first team All-American....as a sophomore!!

It was also nice to see Pat Coleman honored in Salem. I wish I would have been able to catch up to him and say thanks for all he has done!

Pat will still be there next year - just maybe not working as much.  He might have more free time to patrol the boards next season, who knows?

Sorry, 85! I was thinking about you and Swish, though. I bet I will still be working there about as hard next year -- it will be January and February where I'll be less present.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on April 06, 2016, 01:07:07 PM
Congrats Coach K!!!! What an honor!

http://cnusports.com/news/2016/4/6/mens-basketball-cnus-john-krikorian-selected-glenn-robinson-division-iii-national-coach-of-the-year.aspx (http://cnusports.com/news/2016/4/6/mens-basketball-cnus-john-krikorian-selected-glenn-robinson-division-iii-national-coach-of-the-year.aspx)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on November 03, 2016, 03:23:26 PM
Okay, folks, it's almost time!  First, though, as a long time CNU fan, I have to say that last season was incredible!  It was great to see the Captains finally break through and make it to a Final Four!  Even though it didn't go their way, I know it was an amazing experience for the players, as well as myself...I saw Pat and company from a distance at Salem, but wasn't able to catch up with them.  I, too, appreciate everything he and the staff have done for D3 sports!

CNU has all the pieces in place to have another great season...however, I do think the CAC will be better overall, and the Captains have some tough out of conference games, so it won't be easy!  Will they be able to live up to the expectations?  Only time will tell...also, I hope that we can all chime in and continue our banter, as we did last year.  Who knows, maybe we'll get some new posters to liven things up?!?!

GO CAPS!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on November 07, 2016, 08:31:17 AM
Come on, people, let's get some chatter going!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Goose_13 on November 09, 2016, 11:09:39 AM
I am excited to see the season get going Swish! The CNU squad looks as deep as I've seen it in a long time! The CAC is going to be pretty solid darn near top to bottom. I've been doing a little reading lately, especially after last year's run to the Final Four and I have to say I am thoroughly impressed with the league this year. Salisbury's top scorer from two years ago returns, among others. Definitely a deep league, reminds me of the ODAC days or yore back in the late 90's or early 00's. The schedule is BEAST this year. I will say that. I am so glad they have beefed up the schedule over the years. It's great to see some top/tough squads on the docket. I am hoping to get to a game this year, been too long since I was able to get to the Freeman Center.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on November 10, 2016, 08:44:00 AM
Good to hear from you, Goose!  Yep, the conference should be pretty tough...I'm sure Salisbury will have revenge on their mind for last season, plus they're getting their big man back, as you mentioned.  I also think Mary Washington will be good...look for CNU, SU and MWC to battle it out for first place.  The Captains have the physical tools to be great again...for me, it boils down to them playing to their potential consistently and being in the right frame of mind to handle the expectations.  I think Coach K and his staff will do a good job w/the mental aspect...besides, these are kids, so hopefully they'll just concentrate on playing hard and having fun!

GO CAPS!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 10, 2016, 11:08:07 AM
You are also forgetting SMC... I think it will be a massive four-horse race this season. CAC may be the most thrilling race to watch in the entire country.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on November 10, 2016, 11:29:12 AM
I don't see them contending this year...do you know something I don't?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 10, 2016, 02:31:18 PM
Yeah - I see them contending this year. We will wait and see.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Goose_13 on November 10, 2016, 02:57:43 PM
Regardless, this is going to be a deep conference from what I see. York was sneaky good and St. Mary's is usually a tough match-up regardless of their roster. I was "Pro-CAC" long before CNU made the move and I still think moving to this league was one of the best decisions to come out of an already "smart" athletic department staff. To me this only makes CNU's teams better as a whole going up against better competition in all sports, especially in the "money" leagues like basketball. I am definitely excited as a CNU alum and former employee for this season.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on November 10, 2016, 04:07:39 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 10, 2016, 02:31:18 PM
Yeah - I see them contending this year. We will wait and see.

Fair enough...should be exciting!

GO CAPS!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 10, 2016, 08:32:38 PM
Remembering York is key, too. Probably one of the best big men in the league... I do mean that seriously.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on November 11, 2016, 08:19:10 AM
Quote from: Goose_13 on November 10, 2016, 02:57:43 PM
Regardless, this is going to be a deep conference from what I see. York was sneaky good and St. Mary's is usually a tough match-up regardless of their roster. I was "Pro-CAC" long before CNU made the move and I still think moving to this league was one of the best decisions to come out of an already "smart" athletic department staff. To me this only makes CNU's teams better as a whole going up against better competition in all sports, especially in the "money" leagues like basketball. I am definitely excited as a CNU alum and former employee for this season.

Good stuff, Goose...hope to see you at the Free!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on November 11, 2016, 08:31:53 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 10, 2016, 08:32:38 PM
Remembering York is key, too. Probably one of the best big men in the league... I do mean that seriously.

For me, York will be one of those second tier teams within the conference that could potentially upset one of the better teams...and, yes, their big man is good.  As we've said, the conference will be tough/exciting...we'll see if the Captains are ready early on, as they play R-MC, UW-SP and Marietta starting Tuesday night.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 11, 2016, 10:01:00 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on November 11, 2016, 08:31:53 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 10, 2016, 08:32:38 PM
Remembering York is key, too. Probably one of the best big men in the league... I do mean that seriously.

For me, York will be one of those second tier teams within the conference that could potentially upset one of the better teams...and, yes, their big man is good.  As we've said, the conference will be tough/exciting...we'll see if the Captains are ready early on, as they play R-MC, UW-SP and Marietta starting Tuesday night.

Yes - I agree with where York sits... they will at least be in a position where you can't overlook them or they are going to ruin your day and maybe season.

Per CNU... looking forward to seeing them next weekend to be sure.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 11, 2016, 10:46:33 AM
Just saw the CAC coaches poll. Interesting who coach K voted for.
I also just looked at the roster for CNU. The new guys seem impressive on paper. It will be interesting to see which ones have an impact right away. Some big boys. Let the fun begin!!!

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on November 11, 2016, 10:49:10 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 11, 2016, 10:01:00 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on November 11, 2016, 08:31:53 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 10, 2016, 08:32:38 PM
Remembering York is key, too. Probably one of the best big men in the league... I do mean that seriously.

For me, York will be one of those second tier teams within the conference that could potentially upset one of the better teams...and, yes, their big man is good.  As we've said, the conference will be tough/exciting...we'll see if the Captains are ready early on, as they play R-MC, UW-SP and Marietta starting Tuesday night.

Yes - I agree with where York sits... they will at least be in a position where you can't overlook them or they are going to ruin your day and maybe season.

Per CNU... looking forward to seeing them next weekend to be sure.

Me too!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on November 11, 2016, 10:56:09 AM
Quote from: CNU85 on November 11, 2016, 10:46:33 AM
Just saw the CAC coaches poll. Interesting who coach K voted for.
I also just looked at the roster for CNU. The new guys seem impressive on paper. It will be interesting to see which ones have an impact right away. Some big boys. Let the fun begin!!!

I just saw it too...it was probably a tough call between Salisbury and Mary Washington for Coach K...both of them will likely be quite good.  I agree on the newcomers...excited for Tuesday night!  Even though R-MC struggled last year, I expect a good game...they have a strong program and a good coach, so the Captains will have to be ready!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on November 11, 2016, 10:13:54 PM
York could meet F&M in the second game of the year, if both have the same outcome in their first games.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 13, 2016, 04:45:45 PM
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Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 15, 2016, 03:48:23 PM
Let the madness begin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MW_Eagles on November 16, 2016, 09:04:43 AM
Hey all, glad the season is underway!   Went up to Fredericksburg last night to catch UMW's first game.   While they looked pretty good, it's disappointing that they've somehow lost both TJ Jones and Mark Madison.  That's a lot of points from last year's team.   I heard chatter that Mark Madison 'quit' this week.  Not sure of the story there.   They still have a fair amount of talent, but only dressed 11 players.   The freshman from Henrico looked impressive.   Eric Shaw also looked good, I just hope he can stay healthy.    Hoping they can build off of last year, but CNU's roster is going to make it hard for anyone to challenge for 1st place.   
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 16, 2016, 09:13:45 AM
Nice game last night. Any win over an ODAC school is good stuff!! CNU went deep on the bench. 3 Freshmen were in early and were on the floor at the same time on a few occasions. Nobody played more than 27 minutes. Held RMC to 47 points.

It's just one game....on to Baltimore
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on November 18, 2016, 11:30:30 AM
That was a pretty good start for CNU on Tuesday night...they began to pull away towards the latter part of the first half and didn't look back.  The competition tonight and tomorrow will be a lot better, so we'll see how they fare early in the season....

GO CAPS!

GAME DAY!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on November 18, 2016, 11:47:18 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on November 10, 2016, 04:07:39 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 10, 2016, 02:31:18 PM
Yeah - I see them contending this year. We will wait and see.

Fair enough...should be exciting!

GO CAPS!

Looks like Harney raided the community colleges....
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Goose_13 on November 18, 2016, 02:56:30 PM
Nothing like games 2 and 3 on your season and running into a little bit of competition! I do like this tho, like they took a page out of Matt Kelchner's (former CNU football coach) book and got some top quality programs on the schedule. I know I'll be tuning into the action this weekend as the Captains head to Owings Mill, MD for the big tournament. Coming away with two wins this weekend would be a smashing start to the season.

Watched a lot the CNU/RMC game on my phone Tuesday night, I have to say I was impressed. I know it's only the first game of the year, but they played some great defense. I know RMC might be "down" a bit from years past, but I'll take the good start. Need to work on the free throws though. They had a tendency to bite us a little in years past, so I'm hoping it's just a one-game thing.

Hoping to make it to some games this year Swish and CNU85. Gotta get the wife a car tho. Long story. 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 19, 2016, 08:49:22 AM

CNU looked incredibly good last night.  Even when Point was hitting their defensive spots almost perfectly in the first half, the Captains still managed to score.  Deep team, with real contributions from freshmen.  I think this team is quite a bit stronger than last year's version, which is pretty scary.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on November 21, 2016, 08:48:35 AM
You must have jinxed the Captains, Ryan! ;D  They did play well against Stevens Point, but their offense was atrocious against Marietta...the CNU announcers went back 10 years and couldn't find a worse shooting percentage.  Now, Marietta had something to do with that, but CNU couldn't hit water if they fell out of a boat...we all know teams experience a lousy shooting night sometimes, but I think it got as bad as it did because Marietta wanted it more.  Also, CNU's AA needs to show up...he was MIA this weekend.  Okay, boys, it's time to get better and bounce back...you can't expect to just show up and win.

GO CAPS!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 21, 2016, 09:38:03 AM

Marietta definitely wanted it more, for sure.  What I never would've been able to tell, though, until they were on the floor with each other, was just how tall and long those MC players are.  They were just as quick and bigger - CNU will have to adjust more.  The coaches, I think, understood that, but the players seemed blindsided.  John VanderWal told me after the game, it was the best Marietta defensive performance in his decade at the school.

I told him and his coach after the game, but I'll make it public here for you as well (although you probably know) - I am super impressed with Aaron McFarland.  I've been saying for a year that he's the key to that team on the floor - doing a lot of little things that don't always show up in the stats, but I was extra impressed this weekend with his attitude and leadership.  Even at the end of the game, when they were down almost 30 and super frustrated, he accidently ran over one of the Marietta guys backpedaling.  He stopped, helped the guy up with a word of apology and a smile.  He was the one on the bench standing up cheering and coaching the freshmen who played the last few minutes.  He was also the one vocally keeping the team together, providing encouragement and being positive.

I know some people would say the ability to separate drive to win from the way you treat other people is what keeps a player from being great, but for a 20, 21 year old kid to be able to play his heart out on the court and still have the discipline to keep emotions in check and maintain perspective is not just impressive, but inspirational.

I still believe the Captains will go a long way with him on the team.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on November 21, 2016, 11:13:03 AM
Marietta's good, and I think they'd be a stiff test for anyone in the country...I totally agree regarding Aaron...he's a heck of a player and person!  CNU's AA, Marcus Carter, needs to lead by example...I think he let the Captains down this weekend.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: lobcity23 on November 21, 2016, 11:34:38 AM
Got a chance to Watch Salisbury Vs Hokins this weekend and I was very impressed with SU. Hopkins isn't the strongest team but SU has very good Guard play with Leder (FR) & Witmer (SR) and with Wyatt Smith and Gordon Jeter controlling the interior I think they will be very tough to beat. I also noticed that St. Marys has a TON of players on their roster, looks like Harney brought in an entire new team......I counted over 20 players on the roster and it looks like he brought in a ton of JUCO kids this year.......the CAC should be very exciting this year
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on November 21, 2016, 11:48:41 AM
Do you tend to follow/support a particular team, lobcity23?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: lobcity23 on November 21, 2016, 02:03:12 PM
Yeah I know a few coaches in the league so I'll watch/support them when I can.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 21, 2016, 03:07:49 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 21, 2016, 09:38:03 AM

Marietta definitely wanted it more, for sure.  What I never would've been able to tell, though, until they were on the floor with each other, was just how tall and long those MC players are.  They were just as quick and bigger - CNU will have to adjust more.  The coaches, I think, understood that, but the players seemed blindsided.  John VanderWal told me after the game, it was the best Marietta defensive performance in his decade at the school.

I told him and his coach after the game, but I'll make it public here for you as well (although you probably know) - I am super impressed with Aaron McFarland.  I've been saying for a year that he's the key to that team on the floor - doing a lot of little things that don't always show up in the stats, but I was extra impressed this weekend with his attitude and leadership.  Even at the end of the game, when they were down almost 30 and super frustrated, he accidently ran over one of the Marietta guys backpedaling.  He stopped, helped the guy up with a word of apology and a smile.  He was the one on the bench standing up cheering and coaching the freshmen who played the last few minutes.  He was also the one vocally keeping the team together, providing encouragement and being positive.

I know some people would say the ability to separate drive to win from the way you treat other people is what keeps a player from being great, but for a 20, 21 year old kid to be able to play his heart out on the court and still have the discipline to keep emotions in check and maintain perspective is not just impressive, but inspirational.

I still believe the Captains will go a long way with him on the team.

And if you ever get a chance to talk to #4, you will be even more impressed with his attitude and maturity. An all around great guy!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 21, 2016, 03:08:25 PM
D-Mac - was nice to finally meet you in person this past weekend in Maryland.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 21, 2016, 03:10:40 PM
CNU85 - nice to meet you as well. I am sorry I didn't have a ton of time to chat... I tend to be running around that place with my head cut off most years. I need to find a way to get an assistant. LOL
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 21, 2016, 04:56:18 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 21, 2016, 03:10:40 PM
CNU85 - nice to meet you as well. I am sorry I didn't have a ton of time to chat... I tend to be running around that place with my head cut off most years. I need to find a way to get an assistant. LOL

Have the Classic at CNU soon and we will get you an assistant for the weekend!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on November 21, 2016, 04:58:42 PM
So what was your take on the CNU/Marietta game, '85?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 22, 2016, 07:19:19 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on November 21, 2016, 04:58:42 PM
So what was your take on the CNU/Marietta game, '85?

From my rookie point of view:

1. too many practice shots during warmups. Regimbal hit about 30 treys in a row. It worried me. The entire team in warmups was nailing everything. Then the game starts and we are 16-61. Marietta has a very good D, but we should shoot better than that.
2. They were able to match up well with Daly and pretty much take him out of the game. He didn't post up much at all. I think they had their own All-American on him...not sure.
3. Carter wasn't his usual self all weekend.  He seemed off.
4. I noticed at halftime McFarland was having his hamstring stretched. Perhaps tweaked a little?
5. Marietta is a solid team
6. Marietta has a strong coach
7. MC has a sophomore, I believe, shoot the lights out in key situations. If I am right and he is only a sophomore...watch out!  #21.
8. I've noticed a couple of games where it is close until about halftime and then CNU wears down the opponent with depth.  MC also has depth. Only 1 player with 30 minutes.
9. By hanging tough early on and then going on their own run, it stunned CNU and gave MC energy. The game was pretty much over a minute or 2 into the second half.

That's my point of view. I still feel CNU is better this year than last year. I'm impressed with the Freshmen. I am confident that this loss will wake the team up a little and let them know that they can and will be beat on any given night if they don't "bring it"

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 22, 2016, 08:05:26 AM

As for #2, Marietta had their All-American AJ Edwards sub in and out to shadow Daly the entire game.  He wasn't always directly on his for defense, but 90% of the time.  Edwards could very well be the national Player of the Year - he's that kind of talent.  I think Daly could play more effectively in a rematch, but that's going to be true of just about every player on the CNU roster.  Who knows?  Maybe it'll happen in March.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on November 22, 2016, 08:27:56 AM
Good stuff, '85...speaking of the freshman, I really like #22...very athletic kid.

That thought crossed my mind as well, Ryan...maybe they'll get another shot at Marietta down the road to try and exact a little revenge.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 22, 2016, 02:37:12 PM
New Around the Region column posted featuring Christopher Newport

http://www.d3hoops.com/columns/around-the-region/mid-atlantic/2016-17/shocking-loss-cnu
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 22, 2016, 04:55:21 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on November 22, 2016, 02:37:12 PM
New Around the Region column posted featuring Christopher Newport

http://www.d3hoops.com/columns/around-the-region/mid-atlantic/2016-17/shocking-loss-cnu

Good stuff. I agree. CNU is too good and too well coached to let this beatdown do anything other than motivate them the rest of the year.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on November 28, 2016, 08:52:07 AM
A solid win yesterday afternoon against a good program...Daly was a beast...Carter and Regimbal played well too.  It will be interesting to see where the Captains land in the next top 25 poll...can't imagine they'd be outside the top 10.  Also, I wouldn't be surprised if Salisbury jumped into the poll...they're a team to be reckoned w/this year.

GO CAPS!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on November 29, 2016, 08:26:36 AM
CNU drops 5 spots to #7 and Salisbury checks in at #19...their clash at Salisbury in mid-December will be huge!

GO CAPS!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 30, 2016, 08:14:35 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on November 29, 2016, 08:26:36 AM
CNU drops 5 spots to #7 and Salisbury checks in at #19...their clash at Salisbury in mid-December will be huge!

GO CAPS!

I will be there for the men's and women's games.  I've had them circled for as long as they've been public.  I'm really looking forward to those matchups.  Four great teams there.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on November 30, 2016, 10:00:54 AM
CNU and Salisbury developed a rivalry in football, and now it exists in practically every sport, which makes these games that much better!  Every now and then, I'll mention to my Dad that CNU and Salisbury are a lot alike...both of them tend to be pretty good in everything.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on November 30, 2016, 02:20:16 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 30, 2016, 11:53:22 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 30, 2016, 08:14:35 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on November 29, 2016, 08:26:36 AM
CNU drops 5 spots to #7 and Salisbury checks in at #19...their clash at Salisbury in mid-December will be huge!

GO CAPS!

I will be there for the men's and women's games.  I've had them circled for as long as they've been public.  I'm really looking forward to those matchups.  Four great teams there.

And you will see the final game for Salisbury's Justin May(?). I literally just forgot who it was as I went to write this and can't find my notes. Final semester of eligibility.

What's going on at Salisbury?  First Straughn, now May?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 30, 2016, 02:22:37 PM
Again, I might have the wrong player named there... and I might be thinking of Straughn. I will double-check now... but it is a senior in his last semester of eligibility.

FYI - I have deleted my comment because I am unsure of the name... I was distracted while posting it and shouldn't have done it.

And I did have the wrong guy... it is Straughn who is leaving. Sorry for the confusion.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on November 30, 2016, 03:18:53 PM
Gotcha...I did wonder if you were confusing the two.  St. Mary's is playing at Salisbury tonight...we'll see if Harney's transfers paid off.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on December 01, 2016, 09:19:23 AM
Looks like St. Mary's might contend...they gave Salisbury a fit last night.  Although, the Gulls did shoot badly from the field...can we attribute that to defense, or just an off night?  Perhaps some of both, but time will tell...something interesting I noticed was that Jeter hasn't been himself to this point, at least in terms of scoring.  He's averaging 6.6 points per game so far...Smith has come in and asserted himself, which has obviously affected Jeter.  We'll have to keep an eye on that dynamic as the season progresses....

Another comfortable win for the Captains last night, but I suppose that was pretty much expected...good to see everyone get some minutes.

GO CAPS!

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 01, 2016, 03:56:57 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on December 01, 2016, 09:19:23 AM
Looks like St. Mary's might contend...they gave Salisbury a fit last night.  Although, the Gulls did shoot badly from the field...can we attribute that to defense, or just an off night?  Perhaps some of both, but time will tell...something interesting I noticed was that Jeter hasn't been himself to this point, at least in terms of scoring.  He's averaging 6.6 points per game so far...Smith has come in and asserted himself, which has obviously affected Jeter.  We'll have to keep an eye on that dynamic as the season progresses....

Another comfortable win for the Captains last night, but I suppose that was pretty much expected...good to see everyone get some minutes.

GO CAPS!


I know early last year, Coach Sachs talked about how difficult it was for Jeter to transition from the perimeter to the post in Smith's absence.  I imagine there is a similar transition period this year with new roles.  He seemed to have it figured out by late January - hopefully it will work that way again this season.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 02, 2016, 02:01:30 AM
... hmm, who was saying SMC was going to be part of the top four of this conference this season? ...

Someone thought I was kidding when I said that earlier this season. Honestly can't remember who. CNU, SAL, SMC, and UMW are going to make the CAC fight at the top the best in the country.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on December 05, 2016, 10:12:02 AM
Wow, I wasn't expecting a tight game this past Saturday...CNU started off really well, then Frostburg went to a zone and the Captains struggled.  They had some decent looks, but nothing was falling...a win's a win, but they have to be aggressive and shoot better more consistently.  CNU has York on Sunday, which should be interesting....

GO CAPS!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: lobcity23 on December 05, 2016, 11:44:11 AM
I watched some of the St. Marys vs Salisbury game laste week and if St. Marys hits free throws I believe the outcome of that game would have been different. This will be a very competitive CAC race, I know SU and CNU will be at the top but UMW will put up a fight too. Salisbury will lose Straughn but Jordan Brooks (guard from last year)  will be back when the first semester is over.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on December 05, 2016, 01:12:31 PM
St. Mary's did lose at Marymount by 10 on Saturday, so maybe the jury's still out on them...why didn't Brooks play this semester?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on December 09, 2016, 04:42:21 PM
Quiet in here....
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on December 12, 2016, 09:09:29 AM
Okay, boys and girls, are y'all ready for the clash of the titans on Saturday?!?!  CNU ended up beating York comfortably yesterday, which sets up a "yuge" early season brawl at Salisbury...I'm sure the Gulls have had this one circled, so the Captains will need to match and exceed their intensity to win!  This is what college basketball's about, ain't it?!?!  Who's ready?

GO CAPS!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on December 12, 2016, 02:57:00 PM
Congrats to Tim Daly - 30th player in CNU history to reach 1,000 points in a career. Possibly #31 and #32 will also hit the record books as well this year!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MRMIKESMITH on December 13, 2016, 10:47:55 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on December 12, 2016, 09:09:29 AM
Okay, boys and girls, are y'all ready for the clash of the titans on Saturday?!?!  CNU ended up beating York comfortably yesterday, which sets up a "yuge" early season brawl at Salisbury...I'm sure the Gulls have had this one circled, so the Captains will need to match and exceed their intensity to win!  This is what college basketball's about, ain't it?!?!  Who's ready?

GO CAPS!

Salisbury will be amp and ready to play. However, there is much respect for CNU Basketball and their athletics. I think this will be a good measuring stick for both teams as they continue with conference play and get ready for Holiday tournaments.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on December 13, 2016, 12:20:28 PM
Quote from: MANDGSU on December 13, 2016, 10:47:55 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on December 12, 2016, 09:09:29 AM
Okay, boys and girls, are y'all ready for the clash of the titans on Saturday?!?!  CNU ended up beating York comfortably yesterday, which sets up a "yuge" early season brawl at Salisbury...I'm sure the Gulls have had this one circled, so the Captains will need to match and exceed their intensity to win!  This is what college basketball's about, ain't it?!?!  Who's ready?

GO CAPS!

Salisbury will be amp and ready to play. However, there is much respect for CNU Basketball and their athletics. I think this will be a good measuring stick for both teams as they continue with conference play and get ready for Holiday tournaments.

I love the rivalry that has developed over the years between the two schools. SU has respected athletic teams and in many sports SU and CNU battle it out for conference supremacy. I know as a fan, the games I want CNU to win the most are those against SU. 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on December 13, 2016, 02:37:53 PM
Good stuff, folks...#5 playing at #10...does it get much better?!?!

GO CAPS!

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 14, 2016, 08:27:22 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on December 13, 2016, 02:37:53 PM
Good stuff, folks...#5 playing at #10...does it get much better?!?!

GO CAPS!

I heard it's free admission, because the students are on break - even better.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on December 14, 2016, 10:46:59 AM
Nice, Ryan...wish I could be there!  You going '85?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on December 14, 2016, 01:57:50 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on December 14, 2016, 10:46:59 AM
Nice, Ryan...wish I could be there!  You going '85?

I'm not allowed to travel to ANY CNU athletic events on the road anymore. We lose every time. :(
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 14, 2016, 07:57:27 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on December 14, 2016, 01:57:50 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on December 14, 2016, 10:46:59 AM
Nice, Ryan...wish I could be there!  You going '85?

I'm not allowed to travel to ANY CNU athletic events on the road anymore. We lose every time. :(

I'm bad luck for the higher ranked team like 95% of the time I show up to a game - so maybe you should come and we'll pit our bad mojos against each other.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on December 15, 2016, 09:16:59 AM
Okay, even if you want to, neither one of you can go to the game, and that's a direct order! ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on December 15, 2016, 10:19:52 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 14, 2016, 07:57:27 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on December 14, 2016, 01:57:50 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on December 14, 2016, 10:46:59 AM
Nice, Ryan...wish I could be there!  You going '85?

I'm not allowed to travel to ANY CNU athletic events on the road anymore. We lose every time. :(

I'm bad luck for the higher ranked team like 95% of the time I show up to a game - so maybe you should come and we'll pit our bad mojos against each other.

Also - I'm a huge Minnesota Vikings fan. I've been to 4 regular season games....all on the road.....Tampa x2, Washington and Kansas City.....yep...lost them all!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on December 15, 2016, 10:20:26 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on December 15, 2016, 09:16:59 AM
Okay, even if you want to, neither one of you can go to the game, and that's a direct order! ;D

I'm staying home. Tell Ryan you will buy him dinner if he stays away too!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on December 15, 2016, 11:08:16 AM
Quote from: CNU85 on December 15, 2016, 10:20:26 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on December 15, 2016, 09:16:59 AM
Okay, even if you want to, neither one of you can go to the game, and that's a direct order! ;D

I'm staying home. Tell Ryan you will buy him dinner if he stays away too!

Done!  Ryan, I think 7-11 is still running that combo special for a 1/4 lb. big bite and big gulp for $2.00...what do you say?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 15, 2016, 09:07:17 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on December 15, 2016, 11:08:16 AM
Quote from: CNU85 on December 15, 2016, 10:20:26 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on December 15, 2016, 09:16:59 AM
Okay, even if you want to, neither one of you can go to the game, and that's a direct order! ;D

I'm staying home. Tell Ryan you will buy him dinner if he stays away too!

Done!  Ryan, I think 7-11 is still running that combo special for a 1/4 lb. big bite and big gulp for $2.00...what do you say?

I'll tell you after I'm done barfing.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on December 16, 2016, 08:30:05 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 15, 2016, 09:07:17 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on December 15, 2016, 11:08:16 AM
Quote from: CNU85 on December 15, 2016, 10:20:26 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on December 15, 2016, 09:16:59 AM
Okay, even if you want to, neither one of you can go to the game, and that's a direct order! ;D

I'm staying home. Tell Ryan you will buy him dinner if he stays away too!

Done!  Ryan, I think 7-11 is still running that combo special for a 1/4 lb. big bite and big gulp for $2.00...what do you say?

I'll tell you after I'm done barfing.

Not tempting enough, huh?  Obviously, I was kidding, but I do like their hot dogs...enjoy the game!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on December 16, 2016, 04:53:33 PM
In case any CNU players read this board....

http://www.delmarvanow.com/story/sports/college/2016/12/15/division-3-basketball-top-ten-matchup/95498362/
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 17, 2016, 02:08:01 PM

I'm here, so place your bets now.  Women's game about to tip.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 17, 2016, 10:20:28 PM

Once again, improbably, I am bad luck for the higher ranked team.  That was one ugly first half.  Both teams shot less than 33% in the first half - CNU way out-rebounded Salisbury.  The second half was more intense, but still mostly sloppy.  The last five minutes or so were great basketball.

Ten seconds to go, Salisbury is down 1 and gets a steal, a two on one break, for some crazy reason Chad Barcikowski decided to pull up for three and bricked it.  They have to foul twice to get to FTs and Regimbal is on the line with 2.9 seconds to go.  He hits the first and CNU decides to brick the second - it falls to Barcikowski who nails the halfcourt runner to win by 1.  Really nutso ending, especially given how painful most of the game was to watch.

My "lucky" streak continues.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 17, 2016, 10:46:50 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 17, 2016, 10:20:28 PM

Once again, improbably, I am bad luck for the higher ranked team.  That was one ugly first half.  Both teams shot less than 33% in the first half - CNU way out-rebounded Salisbury.  The second half was more intense, but still mostly sloppy.  The last five minutes or so were great basketball.

Ten seconds to go, Salisbury is down 1 and gets a steal, a two on one break, for some crazy reason Chad Barcikowski decided to pull up for three and bricked it.  They have to foul twice to get to FTs and Regimbal is on the line with 2.9 seconds to go.  He hits the first and CNU decides to brick the second - it falls to Barcikowski who nails the halfcourt runner to win by 1.  Really nutso ending, especially given how painful most of the game was to watch.

My "lucky" streak continues.

Good thing you aren't attending the D3hoops.com Classic... Salisbury would be sure to lose both games. ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on December 19, 2016, 10:51:50 AM
Ugh!!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on December 20, 2016, 08:41:55 AM
I heard from a reliable source that as of Saturday night at approximately 6 o'clock, Barcikowski decided to become a minister and gave a sermon to the entire SU program on Sunday in church...they were all holding hands and rejoicing, while thanking God for an early Christmas! ;D

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on December 20, 2016, 08:44:13 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 17, 2016, 10:20:28 PM

Once again, improbably, I am bad luck for the higher ranked team.  That was one ugly first half.  Both teams shot less than 33% in the first half - CNU way out-rebounded Salisbury.  The second half was more intense, but still mostly sloppy.  The last five minutes or so were great basketball.

Ten seconds to go, Salisbury is down 1 and gets a steal, a two on one break, for some crazy reason Chad Barcikowski decided to pull up for three and bricked it.  They have to foul twice to get to FTs and Regimbal is on the line with 2.9 seconds to go.  He hits the first and CNU decides to brick the second - it falls to Barcikowski who nails the halfcourt runner to win by 1.  Really nutso ending, especially given how painful most of the game was to watch.

My "lucky" streak continues.

That's usually how it goes when they play, Ryan...two very good defensive teams battling one another, struggling to score.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 21, 2016, 12:05:52 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on December 20, 2016, 08:41:55 AM
I heard from a reliable source that as of Saturday night at approximately 6 o'clock, Barcikowski decided to become a minister and gave a sermon to the entire SU program on Sunday in church...they were all holding hands and rejoicing, while thanking God for an early Christmas!

I've never seen that kind of emotional turn around.  Barcikowski knew his pull up three was stupid before it even clanged off the rim.  In the ensuing timeout he wouldn't even walk over to huddle and stayed for a prolonged period on the other side of the floor with Sachs just staring him down.  When Andy Sachs is too upset to yell, you know its bad.  Then, not two minutes later (in real time) Barcikowski is tearing around the floor in utter elation.  Pretty cool moment - and my second in-person buzzer beater of the year (four if you count the two halftime shot Steven Point hit at the Hoopsville Classic).  Very nice to see redemption come around so quickly.

Also, I went to "Cook Out" after the game - $6.88 for dinner.  I'll bill you.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on December 21, 2016, 12:00:01 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 21, 2016, 12:05:52 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on December 20, 2016, 08:41:55 AM
I heard from a reliable source that as of Saturday night at approximately 6 o'clock, Barcikowski decided to become a minister and gave a sermon to the entire SU program on Sunday in church...they were all holding hands and rejoicing, while thanking God for an early Christmas!

I've never seen that kind of emotional turn around.  Barcikowski knew his pull up three was stupid before it even clanged off the rim.  In the ensuing timeout he wouldn't even walk over to huddle and stayed for a prolonged period on the other side of the floor with Sachs just staring him down.  When Andy Sachs is too upset to yell, you know its bad.  Then, not two minutes later (in real time) Barcikowski is tearing around the floor in utter elation.  Pretty cool moment - and my second in-person buzzer beater of the year (four if you count the two halftime shot Steven Point hit at the Hoopsville Classic).  Very nice to see redemption come around so quickly.

Also, I went to "Cook Out" after the game - $6.88 for dinner.  I'll bill you.

Bahahahahahahahaha!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MRMIKESMITH on December 27, 2016, 08:52:21 AM
It's going to be a fun set of games for the D3Hoops Classic, Salisbury has a hungry team fighting for some respect in the polls. Salisbury has been playing great over the last few years and I think the past two coaches has been very important for Salisbury. I think the next step is to continue to win games against conference rivals and regional rivals. Then the next step is to win in the big games that matter. Happy Holidays to everyone and Safe Travels for all.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 30, 2016, 04:50:04 PM
Salisbury will be fine. I have seen teams come to events like this in similiar circumstances and have the same thing happen. Marietta lost two in Daytona (three of their last four). Hope lost two this holiday break (including to Wilkes). Virginia Wesleyan was the #1 team in the country a few years ago... and lost four in a row (including to Salisbury to start the streak).

Salisbury is a very good team. These are the first two games with a new PG situation and it showed. They will figure it out. Just don't let this get them down. Learn from it. Adapt. Adjust. Fine-tune. Conference play is the most important right now. They are still a Top 25 team in my opinion. They ran into a legit, should be, Top 25 team in Ramapo... and a team that was finally healthy this year that I voted as a preseason Top 25 squad, Hardin-Simmons. Nothing wrong with that at all.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 02, 2017, 09:29:28 AM
CNU with a big win last night. Great game to have courtside seats. It's hard to tell from one game, but VWC didn't appear to have much depth. Even down 15-4, I knew would come back by wearing them down.

http://cnusports.com/news/2017/1/1/mens-basketball-mcfarland-nets-27-as-captains-hold-off-marlins-86-75-in-new-years-day-battle.aspx (http://cnusports.com/news/2017/1/1/mens-basketball-mcfarland-nets-27-as-captains-hold-off-marlins-86-75-in-new-years-day-battle.aspx)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on January 03, 2017, 09:57:47 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 21, 2016, 12:05:52 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on December 20, 2016, 08:41:55 AM
I heard from a reliable source that as of Saturday night at approximately 6 o'clock, Barcikowski decided to become a minister and gave a sermon to the entire SU program on Sunday in church...they were all holding hands and rejoicing, while thanking God for an early Christmas!

I've never seen that kind of emotional turn around.  Barcikowski knew his pull up three was stupid before it even clanged off the rim.  In the ensuing timeout he wouldn't even walk over to huddle and stayed for a prolonged period on the other side of the floor with Sachs just staring him down.  When Andy Sachs is too upset to yell, you know its bad.  Then, not two minutes later (in real time) Barcikowski is tearing around the floor in utter elation.  Pretty cool moment - and my second in-person buzzer beater of the year (four if you count the two halftime shot Steven Point hit at the Hoopsville Classic).  Very nice to see redemption come around so quickly.

Also, I went to "Cook Out" after the game - $6.88 for dinner.  I'll bill you.

I was offering to pay if you stayed away, Ryan...you obviously jinxed CNU by going! ;)  Also, since when is Cook Out any better than a 7-11 hot dog?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on January 03, 2017, 11:26:43 AM
So glad CNU beat VWC...they have some real douchebag fans.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on January 04, 2017, 08:33:58 AM
CNU moves up 3 spots to #6, while Salisbury tumbles 10 spots to #15 in the most recent poll...even though I wasn't sad that Salisbury lost two in a row, it would have been nice if they had at least split for the sake of the conference.  At this point, it looks like it will be a two team race for the top spot...a little surprised that MWC isn't doing better, and St. Mary's has been inconsistent.

Anyone out there?

GO CAPS!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 04, 2017, 12:20:19 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on January 04, 2017, 08:33:58 AM
CNU moves up 3 spots to #6, while Salisbury tumbles 10 spots to #15 in the most recent poll...even though I wasn't sad that Salisbury lost two in a row, it would have been nice if they had at least split for the sake of the conference.  At this point, it looks like it will be a two team race for the top spot...a little surprised that MWC isn't doing better, and St. Mary's has been inconsistent.

Anyone out there?

GO CAPS!

I was a little disappointed Salisbury didn't split in Vegas as well (I thought they would split at worst), but at the same time they ran into two very good teams - one that should have been ranked (I will admit) and another I had in my preseason poll, but was finally healthy as a team for the first time against Salisbury. BOTH should be in the NCAA tournament (baring injuries and such) and BOTH could make deep runs (unless the NJAC curse remains in place).

Salisbury will be fine, though I agree that I am disappointed in the rest of the conference. I have stated a few times that I thought this conference would be a four-horse race... but Mary Wash and SMC are not playing as well as I expected. I heard SMC has brought in 26 players in the last two years - it isn't showing on the court. I figured Mary Wash would have figured things out by now - not showing on the court. I suspect both will improve as the season goes on, but it has taken some of the excitement out so far this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MW_Eagles on January 04, 2017, 12:51:04 PM
Hey all, I'm also a little disappointed in the Eagles this year.   Not so much with their play, but more so on the attrition they've had.   Losing both Mark Madison (freshman of the year) and TJ Jones for this season has taken a dent.  Not sure of the back story, but was really looking forward to the season with those 2 in the lineup.   They've lost a couple of OT (Dickinson, St Marys) games in which both were sent to OT on a last second 3 at the end of regulation.   They have some OK talent (Shaw, Luktenhaus) and are getting some freshman a lot of time.   Another worry, especially in conference play, is they don't appear very deep.  Through attrition and injuries, I've only counted 9-10 guys dressed.   Should be an interesting one tomorrow.   I'd expect Salisbury to come out pretty hungry and angry after dropping 2.   
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 04, 2017, 12:55:21 PM
Yeah - Salisbury is going to come in very fired up. That is for sure. I also look forward to seeing what the Sea Gulls look like when Brooks gets back into the rotation.

As for Mary Washington - GREAT to hear from an Eagles supporter! Keep it up!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 04, 2017, 05:20:53 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on January 03, 2017, 09:57:47 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 21, 2016, 12:05:52 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on December 20, 2016, 08:41:55 AM
I heard from a reliable source that as of Saturday night at approximately 6 o'clock, Barcikowski decided to become a minister and gave a sermon to the entire SU program on Sunday in church...they were all holding hands and rejoicing, while thanking God for an early Christmas!

I've never seen that kind of emotional turn around.  Barcikowski knew his pull up three was stupid before it even clanged off the rim.  In the ensuing timeout he wouldn't even walk over to huddle and stayed for a prolonged period on the other side of the floor with Sachs just staring him down.  When Andy Sachs is too upset to yell, you know its bad.  Then, not two minutes later (in real time) Barcikowski is tearing around the floor in utter elation.  Pretty cool moment - and my second in-person buzzer beater of the year (four if you count the two halftime shot Steven Point hit at the Hoopsville Classic).  Very nice to see redemption come around so quickly.

Also, I went to "Cook Out" after the game - $6.88 for dinner.  I'll bill you.

I was offering to pay if you stayed away, Ryan...you obviously jinxed CNU by going! ;)  Also, since when is Cook Out any better than a 7-11 hot dog?

I'm a Yankee; I'd never even heard of one before and my friends said I had to try it.  I was not disappointed.  Honestly, hot dog is one of the few foods I'm snobby about, ironically.  I like my hot dogs high quality.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on January 06, 2017, 08:32:50 AM
A couple of big games for CNU at Marymount tomorrow...the Lady Captains will have their hands full, while the Marymount men have been better than expected...should be interesting!

GO CAPS!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: TheOsprey on January 08, 2017, 08:16:26 PM
Why did Mr. Smith not play for Salisbury today?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 08, 2017, 08:24:20 PM
Quote from: TheOsprey on January 08, 2017, 08:16:26 PM
Why did Mr. Smith not play for Salisbury today?

He went to Washington?

Sorry... couldn't resist. I don't personally know.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: TheOsprey on January 08, 2017, 08:32:36 PM
Thanks, d-mac.  Just hope he took night off.

Keep up the good work Dave.👍 ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MRMIKESMITH on January 09, 2017, 10:14:13 AM
Good win by the Gulls over Frostburg, good way to jump out early. You have to win the games that you are suppose to. After being away from home for nearly a month, it's always good to play at home in a familiar place. Another home game and then to York, then having a game against the team up 13 (always interesting).
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on January 11, 2017, 09:00:14 AM
I'm glad Daly decided to show up for the last ten minutes against Marymount...that was a tough game!  CNU has another potentially tough game w/St. Mary's at the Free tonight...we'll see what Jimmy Fallon has in store for the Captains. :)

GO CAPS!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MRMIKESMITH on January 12, 2017, 11:15:46 AM
Dominating win for the Seagulls yesterday. Having Agent Smith in the lineup, the Seagulls dominated in the paint. If they can continue that success in the paint, especially against good competition, they are going to be a great inside out team with the great shooting of Barcikowsk and be tough to beat come conference tourney and hopefully the national tourney. Now on to York, winners of their last 4 out of 6 with tough losses to Marymount an Randolph Macon. They are going to be amp coming off two straight wins and playing at home.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on January 12, 2017, 02:11:27 PM
CNU pulled out another tough one against a game St. Mary's team...I will admit that they have talent, but have been playing mediocre as a team overall.  The Captains were pretty dismal shooting the ball, especially in the first half...unusual to see McFarland really struggle from three...thanks goodness for their stingy defense.  Once again, Daly was indecisive and waited too long to become aggressive...Regimbal hit some big baskets during the last several minutes, as he's really come on lately.  CNU has to be ready for everyone's best shot when they step on the floor...also need to shoot free throws better.  Don't want to come down too hard on a top five team that's 12-2, but there's lots of room for improvement....

GO CAPS!

 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on January 12, 2017, 02:14:28 PM
Quote from: MANDGSU on January 12, 2017, 11:15:46 AM
Dominating win for the Seagulls yesterday. Having Agent Smith in the lineup, the Seagulls dominated in the paint. If they can continue that success in the paint, especially against good competition, they are going to be a great inside out team with the great shooting of Barcikowsk and be tough to beat come conference tourney and hopefully the national tourney. Now on to York, winners of their last 4 out of 6 with tough losses to Marymount an Randolph Macon. They are going to be amp coming off two straight wins and playing at home.

Dominating second half, as the Gulls shot 75%, but that's a rarity, so don't expect it to happen again for the rest of the season...just sayin'.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 13, 2017, 05:37:43 PM
cool stuff

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Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on January 16, 2017, 09:24:34 AM
Okay, it's pretty dead in here, as usual...CNU w/a solid, yet expected, win at PS-H, while Salisbury lost a close one at York.  I can't say that I'm surprised, 'cause the Spartans will be a tough test for the Captains, as well.  They have probably emerged as the third best team in the conference to this point, but there's lots of basketball left to be played...that said, the men have a very capable Mary Washington team coming to the Free on Wednesday night!  I will say, though, the marquee game Wednesday night will be on the women's side as they battle a fellow undefeated team in the Eagles...can't wait! 

GO CAPS and LADY CAPS!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 16, 2017, 09:49:07 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on January 16, 2017, 09:24:34 AM
Okay, it's pretty dead in here, as usual...CNU w/a solid, yet expected, win at PS-H, while Salisbury lost a close one at York.  I can't say that I'm surprised, 'cause the Spartans will be a tough test for the Captains, as well.  They have probably emerged as the third best team in the conference to this point, but there's lots of basketball left to be played...that said, the men have a very capable Mary Washington team coming to the Free on Wednesday night!  I will say, though, the marquee game Wednesday night will be on the women's side as they battle a fellow undefeated team in the Eagles...can't wait! 

GO CAPS and LADY CAPS!

Would love to see the women's game but will not be able to....
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on January 16, 2017, 09:58:51 AM
Come on, '85, you've gotta do better than that!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Goose_13 on January 16, 2017, 03:17:11 PM
He's probably teaching a 5 pm class that evening!!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on January 16, 2017, 03:54:52 PM
There's been a Goose sighting!  When's he gonna learn that class takes a back seat to an actual game?  Geez!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 17, 2017, 10:16:19 AM
I have classes at 4:30 and 6:00.
What can I say? This will be my last semester teaching for awhile.  I've been doing this for 11 semesters. Time for a break in the fall.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Goose_13 on January 17, 2017, 02:56:28 PM
Ack I was off by 30 mins. I couldn't remember what time MW evening classes started other than the 7 pm one that went for nearly three hours once a week! CNU85, I do admire you keeping that going for as long as you have. In all sincerity, I admire your ability in doing it, much like I admired my dad when he was a Prof there teaching Accounting and Information Systems. Kudos to you sir!! Not easy doing that and your day job. You are a true CNU faithful my friend!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on January 17, 2017, 03:18:40 PM
Good stuff, Goose...coming to any games this year?  If so, make sure you're at the Free a week from tomorrow, as the Gulls will be invading Newport News!  That is a must win game for the Captains, but first things first....
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 17, 2017, 04:57:46 PM
Quote from: Goose_13 on January 17, 2017, 02:56:28 PM
Ack I was off by 30 mins. I couldn't remember what time MW evening classes started other than the 7 pm one that went for nearly three hours once a week! CNU85, I do admire you keeping that going for as long as you have. In all sincerity, I admire your ability in doing it, much like I admired my dad when he was a Prof there teaching Accounting and Information Systems. Kudos to you sir!! Not easy doing that and your day job. You are a true CNU faithful my friend!

Awww shucks. It's nothin'.

Seriously - thanks man! Sometimes I feel like I live on campus with all the stuff I do there (sometimes I even forget all of what I do there when I try to list it). But I love it or I wouldn't do it. I truly believe in the mission of the University and I love the students! They energize me and challenge me.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Goose_13 on January 18, 2017, 08:15:36 AM
I am hoping to make it to a game at some point this year. Was thinking about coming down tonight then my oldest daughter tells me she needs my help with something tonight. I will have to see what's going on next Wednesday. Salisbury/CNU will definitely be a great contest for sure!

CNU85, I hear ya there my friend. I'm sure the CNU community is enjoying having you on board in all capacities.

It's exciting to see both teams ranked in the top 10 together. I know expectations are high on campus right now but both coaches know how to keep their players grounded. Will definitely be checking my phone tonight in earnest to see how things are going. Especially with that women's game tonight!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on January 19, 2017, 09:14:34 AM
Another solid win for the Captains...the last ten minutes were the difference, as CNU went on a nice run and essentially put it away.  It was good to see Daly be aggressive and assertive from the start...when he does that, he and the team are so much better.  McFarland and Carter have got to be more consistent, plain and simple...I get not trying to force things, but they're too damn passive sometimes!  McFarland got into foul trouble and didn't play a whole lot, but I think he only shot the ball ONE time...Carter has been up and down all season.  It just seems like CNU could be so much better if everyone would step up and play like they're capable...I know, that's easier said than done, but I'm hoping they'll start to put everything together soon.  Also, wanted to mention that Chappell, one of CNU's freshman, is coming along down low...he could be a player to keep an eye on...Regimbal w/another very good game, as well.

GO CAPS! 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MRMIKESMITH on January 19, 2017, 11:20:24 AM
An ugly win by the Gulls yesterday, they really did not sieve the moment. Although, it was a "rivalry" game, Salisbury played very sloppy and had to many turnovers and too many unnecessary fouls. I think for the Gulls to make a run, they are going to have to improve in their guard play. Wesley guards were much better than the Seagull Guards. Wesley has a freshmen guard that is going to be something special over the next few seasons, our freshmen guard is going to need to step up big time against good opposing guards. I'll take the W any day, but I was not impress with the way the game was played. Good luck against Marymount, the bigs are going to have to play well again to keep this train moving.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on January 24, 2017, 01:24:45 PM
Anyone know of any big games tomorrow night?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MRMIKESMITH on January 24, 2017, 02:44:57 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on January 24, 2017, 01:24:45 PM
Anyone know of any big games tomorrow night?

Who knows, I was planning on watching the Salisbury vs. CNU, but those two teams are not that good this year and aren't ranked and are not fighting for 1st place in the CAC.  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on January 24, 2017, 04:04:06 PM
Quote from: MANDGSU on January 24, 2017, 02:44:57 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on January 24, 2017, 01:24:45 PM
Anyone know of any big games tomorrow night?

Who knows, I was planning on watching the Salisbury vs. CNU, but those two teams are not that good this year and aren't ranked and are not fighting for 1st place in the CAC.  ;)

Yeah, I may check that one out if I don't have anything better to do....;D

Seriously, I see this as a must win game for the Captains, and I think they get it at the Free...read where the Gulls won by a point on another buzzer beating three at Marymount.  The good fortune Reverend Barcikowski and Deacon Witmer have experienced so far this season will run out tomorrow night! ;)  I know this is a rivalry game, and anything can and will happen, but it seems that Salisbury's struggling a bit while the Captains are playing pretty well...besides, CNU owes 'em!

GO CAPS!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on January 25, 2017, 09:38:46 AM
GAME DAY!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on January 26, 2017, 08:49:21 AM
Wow, what can I say?  Another classic between the Captains and Gulls where, once again, defense ruled the night.  Even though both teams want nothing more than to beat the other, I'm really impressed w/the mutual respect and sportsmanship they display.  I could do w/out Barcikowski yapping a bit, but Smith, Jeter, Witmer and company look to be classy young men...until next time, Salisbury!

GO CAPS! 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MRMIKESMITH on January 26, 2017, 09:24:02 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on January 26, 2017, 08:49:21 AM
Wow, what can I say?  Another classic between the Captains and Gulls where, once again, defense ruled the night.  Even though both teams want nothing more than to beat the other, I'm really impressed w/the mutual respect and sportsmanship they display.  I could do w/out Barcikowski yapping a bit, but Smith, Jeter, Witmer and company look to be classy young men...until next time, Salisbury!

GO CAPS!

I agree with the mutual respect and sportsmanship. However, the game was ugly to watch as fan of the Seagulls. I had a few of my colleagues watch the game with me. The officiating was horrible the whole game. I may be a homer on this, but CNU got the benefit of the horrible refs. Nevertheless, I want to commend CNU for continue to be aggressive towards the end and attacking the paint with their guards and big guy. Seagulls need to let Leder sit, he plays to long and has been struggling as of late, he does not facilitate or score. Again this was horrendous, the refs were very night and day, a one point you felt if they were just going to let CNU and Salisbury brawl it out and then at the end of the game they call everything.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on January 26, 2017, 09:51:32 AM
Quote from: MANDGSU on January 26, 2017, 09:24:02 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on January 26, 2017, 08:49:21 AM
Wow, what can I say?  Another classic between the Captains and Gulls where, once again, defense ruled the night.  Even though both teams want nothing more than to beat the other, I'm really impressed w/the mutual respect and sportsmanship they display.  I could do w/out Barcikowski yapping a bit, but Smith, Jeter, Witmer and company look to be classy young men...until next time, Salisbury!

GO CAPS!

I agree with the mutual respect and sportsmanship. However, the game was ugly to watch as fan of the Seagulls. I had a few of my colleagues watch the game with me. The officiating was horrible the whole game. I may be a homer on this, but CNU got the benefit of the horrible refs. Nevertheless, I want to commend CNU for continue to be aggressive towards the end and attacking the paint with their guards and big guy. Seagulls need to let Leder sit, he plays to long and has been struggling as of late, he does not facilitate or score. Again this was horrendous, the refs were very night and day, a one point you felt if they were just going to let CNU and Salisbury brawl it out and then at the end of the game they call everything.

If you like offense, it was definitely ugly...just the result of two really good defensive teams going at it.  I didn't think the referees were very good either, but both teams got their fair share of bad calls.  I thought Witmer did a good job handling the ball last night...looks like Salisbury's using him at the point more, which is surprising...perhaps out of necessity?  Still a lot of big conference games to play before it's over...should be exciting! 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 26, 2017, 12:46:06 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on January 26, 2017, 09:51:32 AM
Quote from: MANDGSU on January 26, 2017, 09:24:02 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on January 26, 2017, 08:49:21 AM
Wow, what can I say?  Another classic between the Captains and Gulls where, once again, defense ruled the night.  Even though both teams want nothing more than to beat the other, I'm really impressed w/the mutual respect and sportsmanship they display.  I could do w/out Barcikowski yapping a bit, but Smith, Jeter, Witmer and company look to be classy young men...until next time, Salisbury!

GO CAPS!

I agree with the mutual respect and sportsmanship. However, the game was ugly to watch as fan of the Seagulls. I had a few of my colleagues watch the game with me. The officiating was horrible the whole game. I may be a homer on this, but CNU got the benefit of the horrible refs. Nevertheless, I want to commend CNU for continue to be aggressive towards the end and attacking the paint with their guards and big guy. Seagulls need to let Leder sit, he plays to long and has been struggling as of late, he does not facilitate or score. Again this was horrendous, the refs were very night and day, a one point you felt if they were just going to let CNU and Salisbury brawl it out and then at the end of the game they call everything.

If you like offense, it was definitely ugly...just the result of two really good defensive teams going at it.  I didn't think the referees were very good either, but both teams got their fair share of bad calls.  I thought Witmer did a good job handling the ball last night...looks like Salisbury's using him at the point more, which is surprising...perhaps out of necessity?  Still a lot of big conference games to play before it's over...should be exciting!

Witmer handled the ball a lot in Vegas when Salisbury was trying to figure out where their point position was going to head this semester of the season. I actually liked him handling the ball better than almost anyone else they tried. Leder was overwhelmed and hated pressure, Dorsey wasn't bad, but sometimes made weird decisions and panicked. Witmer might be a touch slower, but he is more composed and doesn't panic. Also tends to run the offense from the start a bit more composed.

BTW - splitting or even going 0-2 against CNU isnt' that bad for Salisbury. What is going to hurt them is if they take any more losses like they did against YCP. Those are the games Salisbury has to win and those are the games that can cost them a chance to go to the NCAA tournament or set them up for a brutal bracket.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on January 26, 2017, 01:28:22 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 26, 2017, 12:46:06 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on January 26, 2017, 09:51:32 AM
Quote from: MANDGSU on January 26, 2017, 09:24:02 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on January 26, 2017, 08:49:21 AM
Wow, what can I say?  Another classic between the Captains and Gulls where, once again, defense ruled the night.  Even though both teams want nothing more than to beat the other, I'm really impressed w/the mutual respect and sportsmanship they display.  I could do w/out Barcikowski yapping a bit, but Smith, Jeter, Witmer and company look to be classy young men...until next time, Salisbury!

GO CAPS!

I agree with the mutual respect and sportsmanship. However, the game was ugly to watch as fan of the Seagulls. I had a few of my colleagues watch the game with me. The officiating was horrible the whole game. I may be a homer on this, but CNU got the benefit of the horrible refs. Nevertheless, I want to commend CNU for continue to be aggressive towards the end and attacking the paint with their guards and big guy. Seagulls need to let Leder sit, he plays to long and has been struggling as of late, he does not facilitate or score. Again this was horrendous, the refs were very night and day, a one point you felt if they were just going to let CNU and Salisbury brawl it out and then at the end of the game they call everything.

If you like offense, it was definitely ugly...just the result of two really good defensive teams going at it.  I didn't think the referees were very good either, but both teams got their fair share of bad calls.  I thought Witmer did a good job handling the ball last night...looks like Salisbury's using him at the point more, which is surprising...perhaps out of necessity?  Still a lot of big conference games to play before it's over...should be exciting!

Witmer handled the ball a lot in Vegas when Salisbury was trying to figure out where their point position was going to head this semester of the season. I actually liked him handling the ball better than almost anyone else they tried. Leder was overwhelmed and hated pressure, Dorsey wasn't bad, but sometimes made weird decisions and panicked. Witmer might be a touch slower, but he is more composed and doesn't panic. Also tends to run the offense from the start a bit more composed.

BTW - splitting or even going 0-2 against CNU isnt' that bad for Salisbury. What is going to hurt them is if they take any more losses like they did against YCP. Those are the games Salisbury has to win and those are the games that can cost them a chance to go to the NCAA tournament or set them up for a brutal bracket.

Good point, Dave, as CNU has to be careful w/road games at UMW, SMC and YCP...I expect the Captains to win those, but they're all capable of pulling the upset, and I wouldn't be shocked if they dropped one.  As they say, it's harder staying on top than getting there....
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 26, 2017, 01:49:49 PM
Yep... CNU has to be smart as well. They can't just start reeling off losses, either.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 26, 2017, 03:32:18 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on January 26, 2017, 08:49:21 AM
Wow, what can I say?  Another classic between the Captains and Gulls where, once again, defense ruled the night.  Even though both teams want nothing more than to beat the other, I'm really impressed w/the mutual respect and sportsmanship they display.  I could do w/out Barcikowski yapping a bit, but Smith, Jeter, Witmer and company look to be classy young men...until next time, Salisbury!

GO CAPS!

I agree completely. Awesome sportsmanship, save #20. Yapping and whining. At times I thought I was watching a New England Patriot.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on January 26, 2017, 03:47:22 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 26, 2017, 01:49:49 PM
Yep... CNU has to be smart as well. They can't just start reeling off losses, either.

Unfortunately, a stellar record may only get you a home game, or two, 'cause once you reach the Sweet 16, we all know that geography can easily trump playing at the highest seed.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on January 26, 2017, 03:50:46 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on January 26, 2017, 03:32:18 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on January 26, 2017, 08:49:21 AM
Wow, what can I say?  Another classic between the Captains and Gulls where, once again, defense ruled the night.  Even though both teams want nothing more than to beat the other, I'm really impressed w/the mutual respect and sportsmanship they display.  I could do w/out Barcikowski yapping a bit, but Smith, Jeter, Witmer and company look to be classy young men...until next time, Salisbury!

GO CAPS!

I agree completely. Awesome sportsmanship, save #20. Yapping and whining. At times I thought I was watching a New England Patriot.

Yep, that was Barcikowski....
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 26, 2017, 05:28:06 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on January 26, 2017, 03:47:22 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 26, 2017, 01:49:49 PM
Yep... CNU has to be smart as well. They can't just start reeling off losses, either.

Unfortunately, a stellar record may only get you a home game, or two, 'cause once you reach the Sweet 16, we all know that geography can easily trump playing at the highest seed.

Absolutely... and upsets can change everything around as we saw last year. That's the nature of Division III... but at the same time, there is a very good chance depending on who gets to the tournament that being at home the second weekend at CNU is possible. The key is who is still in the tournament and how is the bracket designed. That said, CNU seemed to enjoy the fact they weren't at home last year - tends to be less distractions. Men's teams that host the second weekend only get to Salem about 50% of the time or less.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on January 27, 2017, 08:26:04 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 26, 2017, 05:28:06 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on January 26, 2017, 03:47:22 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 26, 2017, 01:49:49 PM
Yep... CNU has to be smart as well. They can't just start reeling off losses, either.

Unfortunately, a stellar record may only get you a home game, or two, 'cause once you reach the Sweet 16, we all know that geography can easily trump playing at the highest seed.

Absolutely... and upsets can change everything around as we saw last year. That's the nature of Division III... but at the same time, there is a very good chance depending on who gets to the tournament that being at home the second weekend at CNU is possible. The key is who is still in the tournament and how is the bracket designed. That said, CNU seemed to enjoy the fact they weren't at home last year - tends to be less distractions. Men's teams that host the second weekend only get to Salem about 50% of the time or less.

It's almost like the stars have to align to be home until the FF, but as you mentioned, that hasn't proven to be a big advantage....
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 27, 2017, 10:38:46 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on January 27, 2017, 08:26:04 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 26, 2017, 05:28:06 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on January 26, 2017, 03:47:22 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 26, 2017, 01:49:49 PM
Yep... CNU has to be smart as well. They can't just start reeling off losses, either.

Unfortunately, a stellar record may only get you a home game, or two, 'cause once you reach the Sweet 16, we all know that geography can easily trump playing at the highest seed.

Absolutely... and upsets can change everything around as we saw last year. That's the nature of Division III... but at the same time, there is a very good chance depending on who gets to the tournament that being at home the second weekend at CNU is possible. The key is who is still in the tournament and how is the bracket designed. That said, CNU seemed to enjoy the fact they weren't at home last year - tends to be less distractions. Men's teams that host the second weekend only get to Salem about 50% of the time or less.

It's almost like the stars have to align to be home until the FF, but as you mentioned, that hasn't proven to be a big advantage....

You are right... as we have seen over the years, the dominos have to fall right. Even the ones we think will fall in a certain direction can be changed. Items like MBB or WBB hosting on what weekends can derail the opportunity and suddenly give another team the chance to host - Amherst has to deal with this every year. Nothing is guarunteed to get a home game let alone to get to Salem.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 27, 2017, 04:27:43 PM
I heard this stat on post game radio Wednesday night. Since SU and CNU became conference foes they have played 11 games. CNU leads 6-5. The TOTAL COMBINED point differential for the 11 games is 12 points....advantage SU. That's a rivalry!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 29, 2017, 08:14:59 PM
Gotta love it when the starters only score 26 and three come off the bench scoring in double figures.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on January 31, 2017, 01:34:08 PM
Huge week for CNU w/games at UMW and SMC...the Captains win 'em on paper, but they're both capable of pulling the upset.

GO CAPS!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on February 02, 2017, 08:54:03 AM
A good win for the Captains last night, although I still say Carter's been a little off most of the season...I believe he's one of four averaging low double figures, which is very solid, but I really expected him to have a more dominant year. 

Next up is another road game that makes me a little nervous...SMC has talent, and they're playing at home w/a chance to knock off the #3 team in the country, so the Captains better come to play.

GO CAPS!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MRMIKESMITH on February 02, 2017, 10:55:42 AM
Always a good win to beat your rival up 13. Gulls played very well and got some points from their 1 and 2 guards. We need to do a better job on free throws, as we know this could be the difference in winning against top teams in the nation. Overall, it was good to get back into the double digit win category. We have three straight home games, which is always great, let's get York back from earlier in the year.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Smitty Oom on February 04, 2017, 11:29:39 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on February 02, 2017, 08:54:03 AM
A good win for the Captains last night, although I still say Carter's been a little off most of the season...I believe he's one of four averaging low double figures, which is very solid, but I really expected him to have a more dominant year. 

Next up is another road game that makes me a little nervous...SMC has talent, and they're playing at home w/a chance to knock off the #3 team in the country, so the Captains better come to play.

GO CAPS!

I have never really been to this board, as I do not follow the Capital or Mid-Atlantic for that matter, so take the rest as you will... I like to keep tabs on the top 25 and the box scores and Marcus Carter keeps having underwhelming games and I came here to see what the CNU faithful think about his year so far. His scoring average is down almost 4 points a game, shooting under 50% after shooting 55% last year and less rebounds. Obviously he is still a very good player on an exceptional team but do you guys think he will need to regain last years form for the Captains to make it back to Salem this year? I as well was expecting a monster season stat wise but maybe thats not what the Captains need this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MRMIKESMITH on February 05, 2017, 05:16:44 PM
Salisbury got it's revenge against York yesterday. Being at home definitely gave the Seagulls a big boost. They still have to play at an high level for 40 minutes instead of in spurts. If they play like they did the early second, they can beat anyone. Other than that it was great performance by the bench especially Quickley and Dorsey hitting some great shots from behind the arc. Continue to play great defense Seagulls and continue to become balance.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on February 06, 2017, 09:06:12 AM
Quote from: Smitty Oom on February 04, 2017, 11:29:39 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on February 02, 2017, 08:54:03 AM
A good win for the Captains last night, although I still say Carter's been a little off most of the season...I believe he's one of four averaging low double figures, which is very solid, but I really expected him to have a more dominant year. 

Next up is another road game that makes me a little nervous...SMC has talent, and they're playing at home w/a chance to knock off the #3 team in the country, so the Captains better come to play.

GO CAPS!

I have never really been to this board, as I do not follow the Capital or Mid-Atlantic for that matter, so take the rest as you will... I like to keep tabs on the top 25 and the box scores and Marcus Carter keeps having underwhelming games and I came here to see what the CNU faithful think about his year so far. His scoring average is down almost 4 points a game, shooting under 50% after shooting 55% last year and less rebounds. Obviously he is still a very good player on an exceptional team but do you guys think he will need to regain last years form for the Captains to make it back to Salem this year? I as well was expecting a monster season stat wise but maybe thats not what the Captains need this year.

Good question, Smitty...CNU is playing pretty good team ball, which is what you strive for, but there will undoubtedly be moments in the tournament when you need someone to step up and make a big basket.  Last year, more often than not, that was Marcus Carter...this year, he's simply been too passive, in my opinion.  Have the expectations gotten to him?  Is he trying too hard not to force anything?  I don't know, but he hasn't had the year myself and others expected...so far, knock on wood, the Captains have been able to do pretty well w/o Carter having a big year, which is good, but the tournament's a different animal.  Regardless of how good/great a team is, getting to a FF is tough...I think CNU might be good enough to get there as is, but I'm obviously not entirely confident in saying that.  They're experienced, relatively deep and have four guys averaging low double figures...that's a recipe for success, so they have a shot.

GO CAPS!     
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 06, 2017, 10:13:51 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on February 06, 2017, 09:06:12 AM
Quote from: Smitty Oom on February 04, 2017, 11:29:39 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on February 02, 2017, 08:54:03 AM
A good win for the Captains last night, although I still say Carter's been a little off most of the season...I believe he's one of four averaging low double figures, which is very solid, but I really expected him to have a more dominant year. 

Next up is another road game that makes me a little nervous...SMC has talent, and they're playing at home w/a chance to knock off the #3 team in the country, so the Captains better come to play.

GO CAPS!

I have never really been to this board, as I do not follow the Capital or Mid-Atlantic for that matter, so take the rest as you will... I like to keep tabs on the top 25 and the box scores and Marcus Carter keeps having underwhelming games and I came here to see what the CNU faithful think about his year so far. His scoring average is down almost 4 points a game, shooting under 50% after shooting 55% last year and less rebounds. Obviously he is still a very good player on an exceptional team but do you guys think he will need to regain last years form for the Captains to make it back to Salem this year? I as well was expecting a monster season stat wise but maybe thats not what the Captains need this year.

Good question, Smitty...CNU is playing pretty good team ball, which is what you strive for, but there will undoubtedly be moments in the tournament when you need someone to step up and make a big basket.  Last year, more often than not, that was Marcus Carter...this year, he's simply been too passive, in my opinion.  Have the expectations gotten to him?  Is he trying too hard not to force anything?  I don't know, but he hasn't had the year myself and others expected...so far, knock on wood, the Captains have been able to do pretty well w/o Carter having a big year, which is good, but the tournament's a different animal.  Regardless of how good/great a team is, getting to a FF is tough...I think CNU might be good enough to get there as is, but I'm obviously not entirely confident in saying that.  They're experienced, relatively deep and have four guys averaging low double figures...that's a recipe for success, so they have a shot.

GO CAPS!   

Agreed. Every game I wait for the All-American to just take total control of the game. There has been a couple of games where he has. Also, coming into the year CNU has had 29 players hit the 1,000 point mark.  This year Daly hit the mark as did Carter (as a Jr). McFarland (a Jr and not a starter this year) is 38 points away with 4 games left in regular season. To have 3 out of the 32 in the 50 year history on the program on the floor at the same time says a lot about why CNU is doing so well even when #3 is having an off night.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Smitty Oom on February 06, 2017, 11:17:57 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 06, 2017, 10:13:51 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on February 06, 2017, 09:06:12 AM
Quote from: Smitty Oom on February 04, 2017, 11:29:39 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on February 02, 2017, 08:54:03 AM
A good win for the Captains last night, although I still say Carter's been a little off most of the season...I believe he's one of four averaging low double figures, which is very solid, but I really expected him to have a more dominant year. 

Next up is another road game that makes me a little nervous...SMC has talent, and they're playing at home w/a chance to knock off the #3 team in the country, so the Captains better come to play.

GO CAPS!

I have never really been to this board, as I do not follow the Capital or Mid-Atlantic for that matter, so take the rest as you will... I like to keep tabs on the top 25 and the box scores and Marcus Carter keeps having underwhelming games and I came here to see what the CNU faithful think about his year so far. His scoring average is down almost 4 points a game, shooting under 50% after shooting 55% last year and less rebounds. Obviously he is still a very good player on an exceptional team but do you guys think he will need to regain last years form for the Captains to make it back to Salem this year? I as well was expecting a monster season stat wise but maybe thats not what the Captains need this year.

Good question, Smitty...CNU is playing pretty good team ball, which is what you strive for, but there will undoubtedly be moments in the tournament when you need someone to step up and make a big basket.  Last year, more often than not, that was Marcus Carter...this year, he's simply been too passive, in my opinion.  Have the expectations gotten to him?  Is he trying too hard not to force anything?  I don't know, but he hasn't had the year myself and others expected...so far, knock on wood, the Captains have been able to do pretty well w/o Carter having a big year, which is good, but the tournament's a different animal.  Regardless of how good/great a team is, getting to a FF is tough...I think CNU might be good enough to get there as is, but I'm obviously not entirely confident in saying that.  They're experienced, relatively deep and have four guys averaging low double figures...that's a recipe for success, so they have a shot.

GO CAPS!   

Agreed. Every game I wait for the All-American to just take total control of the game. There has been a couple of games where he has. Also, coming into the year CNU has had 29 players hit the 1,000 point mark.  This year Daly hit the mark as did Carter (as a Jr). McFarland (a Jr and not a starter this year) is 38 points away with 4 games left in regular season. To have 3 out of the 32 in the 50 year history on the program on the floor at the same time says a lot about why CNU is doing so well even when #3 is having an off night.

Thanks for your answers guys! I hope he picks up his play in Feb here and we can see the All-Star he has proven he is shine come tourney time. Hate to see student-athletes have down years.

Side-Note: Will be interesting to see how far they can get if this is the Marcus Carter we get for the remainder of the year.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on February 07, 2017, 08:26:35 AM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 06, 2017, 10:13:51 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on February 06, 2017, 09:06:12 AM
Quote from: Smitty Oom on February 04, 2017, 11:29:39 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on February 02, 2017, 08:54:03 AM
A good win for the Captains last night, although I still say Carter's been a little off most of the season...I believe he's one of four averaging low double figures, which is very solid, but I really expected him to have a more dominant year. 

Next up is another road game that makes me a little nervous...SMC has talent, and they're playing at home w/a chance to knock off the #3 team in the country, so the Captains better come to play.

GO CAPS!

I have never really been to this board, as I do not follow the Capital or Mid-Atlantic for that matter, so take the rest as you will... I like to keep tabs on the top 25 and the box scores and Marcus Carter keeps having underwhelming games and I came here to see what the CNU faithful think about his year so far. His scoring average is down almost 4 points a game, shooting under 50% after shooting 55% last year and less rebounds. Obviously he is still a very good player on an exceptional team but do you guys think he will need to regain last years form for the Captains to make it back to Salem this year? I as well was expecting a monster season stat wise but maybe thats not what the Captains need this year.

Good question, Smitty...CNU is playing pretty good team ball, which is what you strive for, but there will undoubtedly be moments in the tournament when you need someone to step up and make a big basket.  Last year, more often than not, that was Marcus Carter...this year, he's simply been too passive, in my opinion.  Have the expectations gotten to him?  Is he trying too hard not to force anything?  I don't know, but he hasn't had the year myself and others expected...so far, knock on wood, the Captains have been able to do pretty well w/o Carter having a big year, which is good, but the tournament's a different animal.  Regardless of how good/great a team is, getting to a FF is tough...I think CNU might be good enough to get there as is, but I'm obviously not entirely confident in saying that.  They're experienced, relatively deep and have four guys averaging low double figures...that's a recipe for success, so they have a shot.

GO CAPS!   

Agreed. Every game I wait for the All-American to just take total control of the game. There has been a couple of games where he has. Also, coming into the year CNU has had 29 players hit the 1,000 point mark.  This year Daly hit the mark as did Carter (as a Jr). McFarland (a Jr and not a starter this year) is 38 points away with 4 games left in regular season. To have 3 out of the 32 in the 50 year history on the program on the floor at the same time says a lot about why CNU is doing so well even when #3 is having an off night.

Good point, '85...I believe the last time that happened was the 02-03 season.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on February 07, 2017, 08:29:48 AM
Quote from: Smitty Oom on February 06, 2017, 11:17:57 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 06, 2017, 10:13:51 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on February 06, 2017, 09:06:12 AM
Quote from: Smitty Oom on February 04, 2017, 11:29:39 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on February 02, 2017, 08:54:03 AM
A good win for the Captains last night, although I still say Carter's been a little off most of the season...I believe he's one of four averaging low double figures, which is very solid, but I really expected him to have a more dominant year. 

Next up is another road game that makes me a little nervous...SMC has talent, and they're playing at home w/a chance to knock off the #3 team in the country, so the Captains better come to play.

GO CAPS!

I have never really been to this board, as I do not follow the Capital or Mid-Atlantic for that matter, so take the rest as you will... I like to keep tabs on the top 25 and the box scores and Marcus Carter keeps having underwhelming games and I came here to see what the CNU faithful think about his year so far. His scoring average is down almost 4 points a game, shooting under 50% after shooting 55% last year and less rebounds. Obviously he is still a very good player on an exceptional team but do you guys think he will need to regain last years form for the Captains to make it back to Salem this year? I as well was expecting a monster season stat wise but maybe thats not what the Captains need this year.

Good question, Smitty...CNU is playing pretty good team ball, which is what you strive for, but there will undoubtedly be moments in the tournament when you need someone to step up and make a big basket.  Last year, more often than not, that was Marcus Carter...this year, he's simply been too passive, in my opinion.  Have the expectations gotten to him?  Is he trying too hard not to force anything?  I don't know, but he hasn't had the year myself and others expected...so far, knock on wood, the Captains have been able to do pretty well w/o Carter having a big year, which is good, but the tournament's a different animal.  Regardless of how good/great a team is, getting to a FF is tough...I think CNU might be good enough to get there as is, but I'm obviously not entirely confident in saying that.  They're experienced, relatively deep and have four guys averaging low double figures...that's a recipe for success, so they have a shot.

GO CAPS!   

Agreed. Every game I wait for the All-American to just take total control of the game. There has been a couple of games where he has. Also, coming into the year CNU has had 29 players hit the 1,000 point mark.  This year Daly hit the mark as did Carter (as a Jr). McFarland (a Jr and not a starter this year) is 38 points away with 4 games left in regular season. To have 3 out of the 32 in the 50 year history on the program on the floor at the same time says a lot about why CNU is doing so well even when #3 is having an off night.

Thanks for your answers guys! I hope he picks up his play in Feb here and we can see the All-Star he has proven he is shine come tourney time. Hate to see student-athletes have down years.

Side-Note: Will be interesting to see how far they can get if this is the Marcus Carter we get for the remainder of the year.

Indeed, Smitty...we'll have to revisit this conversation, hopefully w/good results for CNU!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on February 08, 2017, 02:49:44 PM
CNU #1 in first regional rankings...let's hope it stays that way!

GO CAPS!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on February 09, 2017, 08:22:47 AM
Another solid win for the Captains last night against Marymount...McFarland shot well and Carter was aggressive, finally!  Something that wasn't mentioned in the recent CNU discussion was how well their defense is playing...I believe they lead the nation in field goal percentage defense and points allowed per game.  When you can defend like that, you give yourself a good chance to win every game...on to Wesley.

GO CAPS!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on February 13, 2017, 09:03:31 AM
I'm leery about saying this for fear of jinxing the Captains, but my only concern w/CNU is their free throw shooting at this point...that aside, they're playing really well, knock on wood!  Marcus Carter has been looking more like the Marcus of old and the team is on a roll at the right time...if they can maintain this level of play and improve their free throw percentage, they'll be tough to beat!  Anyone out there?

GO CAPS! 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 14, 2017, 04:20:07 PM
Gotta love the sportsmanship seen Saturday night at the Freeman, even under difficult circumstances.

First - it was Senior night for the men and women. CNU Lady Captain's coach Broderick came out before the came and honored WESLEY seniors with flowers! Nice touch!

Then in men's game there was a skirmish. Neither team emptied their bench. Talk about discipline and well coached teams. Then, Wesley players escorted their own guy off the court because they knew he would be ejected and he was still a little fired up. Kudos to the teammates. And finally, before play resumed after a delay while the refs figured out what kind of pizza they wanted after the game, the Wesley players all came up to CNU players and shook hands and diffused the entire situation. Class act Wesley!!!

Finally at one point in the game Carter slammed one home and was fouled and a Wesley player looked at me and smiled and shook his head. I had courtside seats. He knew they were outmatched. He just loves playing basketball. I could see that in his eyes and facial expression. He was appreciating what he saw. I noticed he was exhausted. Sweat was everywhere. He had given his all. I gained a lot of respect for him (#21) and the entire Wesley team.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 15, 2017, 10:03:14 AM

Whatever people want to say about that Wesley coaching staff in terms of results, those guys love basketball and they love basketball players.  I imagine its a ton of fun to play there.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on February 15, 2017, 10:43:05 AM
Who, and what do they say?  Just curious....
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 15, 2017, 05:04:20 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on February 15, 2017, 10:43:05 AM
Who, and what do they say?  Just curious....

I was just hedging.  I haven't necessarily heard people say anything, but I imagine, given the results, there could potentially be mixed feelings.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on February 16, 2017, 08:33:52 AM
It was nice clinching home court last night w/a Salisbury loss...takes a little pressure off the York game, but CNU still needs to finish strong...better get a handle on their free throws.  Good job, fellas...this is what it's all about going forward!

GO CAPS!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MRMIKESMITH on February 16, 2017, 02:32:51 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on February 16, 2017, 08:33:52 AM
It was nice clinching home court last night w/a Salisbury loss...takes a little pressure off the York game, but CNU still needs to finish strong...better get a handle on their free throws.  Good job, fellas...this is what it's all about going forward!

GO CAPS!

When you allow a player to go 11-11 and he forces 6 fouls against starters to 1. Also, when you shoot as poor as Salisbury did from the charity strike, you lose games like this...St. Mary's had its day today. Homecourt...meh.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on February 17, 2017, 08:38:44 AM
Quote from: MANDGSU on February 16, 2017, 02:32:51 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on February 16, 2017, 08:33:52 AM
It was nice clinching home court last night w/a Salisbury loss...takes a little pressure off the York game, but CNU still needs to finish strong...better get a handle on their free throws.  Good job, fellas...this is what it's all about going forward!

GO CAPS!

When you allow a player to go 11-11 and he forces 6 fouls against starters to 1. Also, when you shoot as poor as Salisbury did from the charity strike, you lose games like this...St. Mary's had its day today. Homecourt...meh.

Seems like Salisbury plays to the level of its competition, and it cost 'em at York and St. Mary's....
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 17, 2017, 09:01:20 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on February 17, 2017, 08:38:44 AM
Quote from: MANDGSU on February 16, 2017, 02:32:51 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on February 16, 2017, 08:33:52 AM
It was nice clinching home court last night w/a Salisbury loss...takes a little pressure off the York game, but CNU still needs to finish strong...better get a handle on their free throws.  Good job, fellas...this is what it's all about going forward!

GO CAPS!

When you allow a player to go 11-11 and he forces 6 fouls against starters to 1. Also, when you shoot as poor as Salisbury did from the charity strike, you lose games like this...St. Mary's had its day today. Homecourt...meh.

Seems like Salisbury plays to the level of its competition, and it cost 'em at York and St. Mary's....

Whitmer's been out for a few games and Jeter was playing hurt.  With the style they play - defense first, slow down game - almost everybody gets to hang around.  It's high risk/high reward.  Injuries really hurt.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MRMIKESMITH on February 17, 2017, 10:16:25 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 17, 2017, 09:01:20 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on February 17, 2017, 08:38:44 AM
Quote from: MANDGSU on February 16, 2017, 02:32:51 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on February 16, 2017, 08:33:52 AM
It was nice clinching home court last night w/a Salisbury loss...takes a little pressure off the York game, but CNU still needs to finish strong...better get a handle on their free throws.  Good job, fellas...this is what it's all about going forward!

GO CAPS!

When you allow a player to go 11-11 and he forces 6 fouls against starters to 1. Also, when you shoot as poor as Salisbury did from the charity strike, you lose games like this...St. Mary's had its day today. Homecourt...meh.

Seems like Salisbury plays to the level of its competition, and it cost 'em at York and St. Mary's....

Whitmer's been out for a few games and Jeter was playing hurt.  With the style they play - defense first, slow down game - almost everybody gets to hang around.  It's high risk/high reward.  Injuries really hurt.

Guys are definitely playing through injury. However, we need to win out the regular season and win a conference game to lock a playoff spot. I really do not like the low percentage shots we take, but if the coaching can put in a great inside-outside game (which they have been trying-players have step up) with Wyatt inside and Barcikowski (have to take the easy 3, not the force 3's), we can be deadly. Also, the increase playing time of Brooks at point, we can have a guard that can drive and create. Would be very nice if all this can come together by playoff time to make a run to Salem.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MRMIKESMITH on February 17, 2017, 10:17:28 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on February 17, 2017, 08:38:44 AM
Quote from: MANDGSU on February 16, 2017, 02:32:51 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on February 16, 2017, 08:33:52 AM
It was nice clinching home court last night w/a Salisbury loss...takes a little pressure off the York game, but CNU still needs to finish strong...better get a handle on their free throws.  Good job, fellas...this is what it's all about going forward!

GO CAPS!

When you allow a player to go 11-11 and he forces 6 fouls against starters to 1. Also, when you shoot as poor as Salisbury did from the charity strike, you lose games like this...St. Mary's had its day today. Homecourt...meh.

Seems like Salisbury plays to the level of its competition, and it cost 'em at York and St. Mary's....

As Ryan mentioned, it is the style of play, but I would like for them to be more confident as a team and not individuals and play smart a seize the moments.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: TheOsprey on February 18, 2017, 05:19:07 PM
Salisbury blows a nine point lead with over two mins. left and loses in OT to Frosty??

Gulls gonna have to win the tourney to be assured a bid, I guess?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 18, 2017, 08:14:24 PM
Quote from: TheOsprey on February 18, 2017, 05:19:07 PM
Salisbury blows a nine point lead with over two mins. left and loses in OT to Frosty??

Gulls gonna have to win the tourney to be assured a bid, I guess?

Probably... but let's see how Wednesday's rankings look. I am not sure they fall behind Lyco who is my bubble line team for the Mid-Atlantic. I think if Salisbury gets to the title game, they still might be safe. But they have got to stop doing this late in seasons. I know there are injuries and illnesses, but it feels like the Sea Gulls the last few seasons just find ways to shoot themselves in the foot over and over again.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on February 20, 2017, 08:31:42 AM
Congrats to CNU for finishing the regular season w/a solid win at York...keep it going, fellas!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on February 20, 2017, 08:50:14 AM
Quote from: MANDGSU on February 16, 2017, 02:32:51 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on February 16, 2017, 08:33:52 AM
It was nice clinching home court last night w/a Salisbury loss...takes a little pressure off the York game, but CNU still needs to finish strong...better get a handle on their free throws.  Good job, fellas...this is what it's all about going forward!

GO CAPS!

When you allow a player to go 11-11 and he forces 6 fouls against starters to 1. Also, when you shoot as poor as Salisbury did from the charity strike, you lose games like this...St. Mary's had its day today. Homecourt...meh.

Looks like Frostburg had their day too, MANDGSU ;D...sorry, man, I couldn't resist!  Seriously, though, Salisbury's struggling at a bad time...they'll likely play York on Thursday, so that could be interesting. 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 20, 2017, 12:16:21 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on February 20, 2017, 08:50:14 AM
Quote from: MANDGSU on February 16, 2017, 02:32:51 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on February 16, 2017, 08:33:52 AM
It was nice clinching home court last night w/a Salisbury loss...takes a little pressure off the York game, but CNU still needs to finish strong...better get a handle on their free throws.  Good job, fellas...this is what it's all about going forward!

GO CAPS!

When you allow a player to go 11-11 and he forces 6 fouls against starters to 1. Also, when you shoot as poor as Salisbury did from the charity strike, you lose games like this...St. Mary's had its day today. Homecourt...meh.

Looks like Frostburg had their day too, MANDGSU ;D...sorry, man, I couldn't resist!  Seriously, though, Salisbury's struggling at a bad time...they'll likely play York on Thursday, so that could be interesting.

I called this six weeks ago to people I was talking to... Salisbury has a bad habit of playing down to the competition and I saw them stumbling down the road. Yes, they have injuries and illnesses, but everyone does. Truly great teams get through those without losses. SAL could be out of the NCAA tournament unless they at least get to the championship game - subject to review when this week's rankings come out.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MRMIKESMITH on February 20, 2017, 04:04:24 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 20, 2017, 12:16:21 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on February 20, 2017, 08:50:14 AM
Quote from: MANDGSU on February 16, 2017, 02:32:51 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on February 16, 2017, 08:33:52 AM
It was nice clinching home court last night w/a Salisbury loss...takes a little pressure off the York game, but CNU still needs to finish strong...better get a handle on their free throws.  Good job, fellas...this is what it's all about going forward!

GO CAPS!

When you allow a player to go 11-11 and he forces 6 fouls against starters to 1. Also, when you shoot as poor as Salisbury did from the charity strike, you lose games like this...St. Mary's had its day today. Homecourt...meh.

Looks like Frostburg had their day too, MANDGSU ;D...sorry, man, I couldn't resist!  Seriously, though, Salisbury's struggling at a bad time...they'll likely play York on Thursday, so that could be interesting.

I called this six weeks ago to people I was talking to... Salisbury has a bad habit of playing down to the competition and I saw them stumbling down the road. Yes, they have injuries and illnesses, but everyone does. Truly great teams get through those without losses. SAL could be out of the NCAA tournament unless they at least get to the championship game - subject to review when this week's rankings come out.

Dave,

That game was terrible, they let off the gas and it bit them in the but, Salisbury should have won by 20 points, no excuses. If they do not make the playoffs, so be it. Very frustrating.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 20, 2017, 04:08:46 PM
Quote from: MANDGSU on February 20, 2017, 04:04:24 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 20, 2017, 12:16:21 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on February 20, 2017, 08:50:14 AM
Quote from: MANDGSU on February 16, 2017, 02:32:51 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on February 16, 2017, 08:33:52 AM
It was nice clinching home court last night w/a Salisbury loss...takes a little pressure off the York game, but CNU still needs to finish strong...better get a handle on their free throws.  Good job, fellas...this is what it's all about going forward!

GO CAPS!

When you allow a player to go 11-11 and he forces 6 fouls against starters to 1. Also, when you shoot as poor as Salisbury did from the charity strike, you lose games like this...St. Mary's had its day today. Homecourt...meh.

Looks like Frostburg had their day too, MANDGSU ;D...sorry, man, I couldn't resist!  Seriously, though, Salisbury's struggling at a bad time...they'll likely play York on Thursday, so that could be interesting.

I called this six weeks ago to people I was talking to... Salisbury has a bad habit of playing down to the competition and I saw them stumbling down the road. Yes, they have injuries and illnesses, but everyone does. Truly great teams get through those without losses. SAL could be out of the NCAA tournament unless they at least get to the championship game - subject to review when this week's rankings come out.

Dave,

That game was terrible, they let off the gas and it bit them in the but, Salisbury should have won by 20 points, no excuses. If they do not make the playoffs, so be it. Very frustrating.

I totally get that.. but letting off the gas against a team that isn't that bad is kind of playing down to them. You can't let off the gas, either, this time of year.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: DeWayneCarter on February 22, 2017, 11:30:12 AM
Watched Marymount vs St Mary's yesterday. Marymount has 2 seniors, St. Mary's none. Talk about teams that are gonna be scary 2-3 years from now  :o
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on February 22, 2017, 02:16:26 PM
Okay, it will be Marymount at CNU and York at Salisbury...I like the Captains over Marymount and, even though they haven't been playing well, I like the Gulls to nip York.

GO CAPS!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on February 23, 2017, 08:21:38 AM
GAME DAY!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 23, 2017, 05:57:51 PM
We are midway through what is always the craziest week of the entire season. Teams are already hitting the at-large bubble and that is already popping some other team's hopes of making the NCAA tournament. Upsets are everywhere and it promises to continue.

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Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on February 24, 2017, 08:26:43 AM
Okay, it's round three for all the marbles and bragging rights...even though CNU and Salisbury seem to be going in opposite directions, I've come to expect an all out war when they tangle, so it will likely be more of the same on Saturday.  Let me say this, though...if Salisbury doubles Tim Daly and CNU makes some open shots, which they didn't do last game, it could be a long afternoon for the Gulls.

Nice win last night, fellas...work on your free throws, Tim!

GO CAPS!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MRMIKESMITH on February 24, 2017, 09:42:44 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on February 24, 2017, 08:26:43 AM
Okay, it's round three for all the marbles and bragging rights...even though CNU and Salisbury seem to be going in opposite directions, I've come to expect an all out war when they tangle, so it will likely be more of the same on Saturday.  Let me say this, though...if Salisbury doubles Tim Daly and CNU makes some open shots, which they didn't do last game, it could be a long afternoon for the Gulls.

Nice win last night, fellas...work on your free throws, Tim!

GO CAPS!

Wow what a game last night, I really thought that York played one hellava game while Salisbury played...meh! However, they kept fighting which is something I would not argue with, they dug deep and pull it through. Big time props to York again, they had a great game plan. It appears that Salisbury lives and dies by the three, but the charity strike did us no justice and kept York in it through the 1 OT and that's when they started missing the free throws. That was the difference late in the game. Salisbury needs to work on inbounding (I mean really), to many wasted timeouts and a couple turnovers that should have occurred. Again, Coach needs to let Ledger sit and have either Witmer or Brooks run point from inception, both are clearly playing at a higher level and are more athletic. I can reiterate that enough, they both have the skill to penetrate. Now regarding next game, Smith does not need to be on Daly, but that only leaves Jeter, who does it all. We need to play an offensive/defensive scheme especially midway/late in the periods. Maybe have Nick or Lucas come and take those beatings, because Daly is going to get his and force a couple fouls, just cant have Smith in foul trouble late in the game and playing tentative...
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 25, 2017, 07:40:00 PM
Another one point game! Geez, my old man heart can't take it!  CNU comes from behind and wins by 1. Down by 9 with 3 minutes left. I thought it was over. I hope Salisbury gets an at-large bid. They deserve it.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 25, 2017, 08:13:49 PM
http://www.cnusports.com/news/2017/2/25/mens-basketball-dalys-dramatic-game-winner-caps-captains-comeback-cnu-wins-second-straight-cac-title-63-62.aspx (http://www.cnusports.com/news/2017/2/25/mens-basketball-dalys-dramatic-game-winner-caps-captains-comeback-cnu-wins-second-straight-cac-title-63-62.aspx)

Awesome video recap.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 26, 2017, 06:57:34 AM
http://www.dailypress.com/sports/christopher-newport/dp-spt-teel-column-cnu-title-game-20170225-column.html (http://www.dailypress.com/sports/christopher-newport/dp-spt-teel-column-cnu-title-game-20170225-column.html)

A good recap. Also shows the respect CNU has for SU.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 26, 2017, 06:58:41 AM
Does this mean that last night's game was predictable?

http://www.dailypress.com/sports/christopher-newport/dp-spt-cnu-finals-advance-0225-20170224-story.html (http://www.dailypress.com/sports/christopher-newport/dp-spt-cnu-finals-advance-0225-20170224-story.html)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 26, 2017, 09:00:36 AM
I watched the last minute of the CNU and Salisbury game. CNU looks like a small d 1 program. Nice arena, huge band..and a buzzer beater to boot.


Congrats.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on February 27, 2017, 08:38:48 AM
Wow, what an unbelievable game!  What can you say about a finish like that except that CNU was meant to win?!?!  Obviously, Daly's shot was the game winner, which was practically a three, but Carter was absolutely huge during the final run...Brown also hit a couple of clutch free throws...incredible team effort to somehow pull out the win!  It will be interesting to see the tournament brackets today...can't wait!

That was a tough, tough loss MANDGSU...I can only imagine how the players must feel...probably still in shock!  Good luck in the tournament....

GO CAPS!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on February 27, 2017, 08:40:07 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 26, 2017, 09:00:36 AM
I watched the last minute of the CNU and Salisbury game. CNU looks like a small d 1 program. Nice arena, huge band..and a buzzer beater to boot.


Congrats.

Thanks, NEPA, good luck to Scranton!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MRMIKESMITH on February 27, 2017, 01:55:16 PM
Not sure if the committee was joking around when deciding to have Salisbury play Endicott. I guess its the battle of the Gulls, although Seagulls has its on tune. Good luck to the team, hoping we can make some noise this year and hopefully make it to Salem. I know nothing of Endicott except they played very well in all of their games and struggled against a good Babson team early in the season. T
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on February 27, 2017, 02:19:37 PM
Man, I didn't see this one coming, but CNU will be on the road playing Morrisville State at Swarthmore, the Centennial Conference champ...the CNU women must be hosting, which will be officially announced soon, otherwise the men would have been playing at the Free this weekend...happy for the women, but bummed for the men. :-\

GO CAPS!  GO CAC!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 27, 2017, 08:08:06 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on February 27, 2017, 02:19:37 PM
Man, I didn't see this one coming, but CNU will be on the road playing Morrisville State at Swarthmore, the Centennial Conference champ...the CNU women must be hosting, which will be officially announced soon, otherwise the men would have been playing at the Free this weekend...happy for the women, but bummed for the men. :-\

GO CAPS!  GO CAC!


What really stinks is the way they bracketed means they won't be hosting sectionals either.  No one in the SJF pod can drive to CNU.  There's no combination of teams where CNU hosting can happen.  They'll have to be road warriors to get back to Salem.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 27, 2017, 10:53:31 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 27, 2017, 08:08:06 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on February 27, 2017, 02:19:37 PM
Man, I didn't see this one coming, but CNU will be on the road playing Morrisville State at Swarthmore, the Centennial Conference champ...the CNU women must be hosting, which will be officially announced soon, otherwise the men would have been playing at the Free this weekend...happy for the women, but bummed for the men. :-\

GO CAPS!  GO CAC!


What really stinks is the way they bracketed means they won't be hosting sectionals either.  No one in the SJF pod can drive to CNU.  There's no combination of teams where CNU hosting can happen.  They'll have to be road warriors to get back to Salem.

Honestly, CNU was in trouble to host the second weekend from the get-go... there just weren't enough good teams in their area to get them to host. If we look at the map, they ended out on an island in a year when the ODAC was down.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 28, 2017, 08:40:24 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 27, 2017, 10:53:31 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 27, 2017, 08:08:06 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on February 27, 2017, 02:19:37 PM
Man, I didn't see this one coming, but CNU will be on the road playing Morrisville State at Swarthmore, the Centennial Conference champ...the CNU women must be hosting, which will be officially announced soon, otherwise the men would have been playing at the Free this weekend...happy for the women, but bummed for the men. :-\

GO CAPS!  GO CAC!


What really stinks is the way they bracketed means they won't be hosting sectionals either.  No one in the SJF pod can drive to CNU.  There's no combination of teams where CNU hosting can happen.  They'll have to be road warriors to get back to Salem.

Honestly, CNU was in trouble to host the second weekend from the get-go... there just weren't enough good teams in their area to get them to host. If we look at the map, they ended out on an island in a year when the ODAC was down.

Right, but based on the bracket, they're the top seed in that section, but geography has struck again.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 28, 2017, 04:12:53 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 28, 2017, 08:40:24 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 27, 2017, 10:53:31 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 27, 2017, 08:08:06 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on February 27, 2017, 02:19:37 PM
Man, I didn't see this one coming, but CNU will be on the road playing Morrisville State at Swarthmore, the Centennial Conference champ...the CNU women must be hosting, which will be officially announced soon, otherwise the men would have been playing at the Free this weekend...happy for the women, but bummed for the men. :-\

GO CAPS!  GO CAC!


What really stinks is the way they bracketed means they won't be hosting sectionals either.  No one in the SJF pod can drive to CNU.  There's no combination of teams where CNU hosting can happen.  They'll have to be road warriors to get back to Salem.

Honestly, CNU was in trouble to host the second weekend from the get-go... there just weren't enough good teams in their area to get them to host. If we look at the map, they ended out on an island in a year when the ODAC was down.

Right, but based on the bracket, they're the top seed in that section, but geography has struck again.

Sure... they are the top seed... but many top seeds suffer from this in the second weekend sadly. Just in case anyone didn't know (Ryan knows).
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on March 03, 2017, 08:10:10 AM
GAME DAY!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on March 05, 2017, 07:39:37 PM
So, this is the second straight year that CNU, the #1 seed in their bracket again, is the only team that has to fly (from VA to MA, no less) to the sectional...the way the NCAA treats division 3 athletics is pitiful!  Use this as a little added motivation again, CNU!

GO CAPS!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 05, 2017, 08:30:46 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on March 05, 2017, 07:39:37 PM
So, this is the second straight year that CNU, the #1 seed in their bracket again, is the only team that has to fly (from VA to MA, no less) to the sectional...the way the NCAA treats division 3 athletics is pitiful!  Use this as a little added motivation again, CNU!

GO CAPS!

Swish... they don't treat anyone pitifully... this is the guidelines and rules we live by in Division III. It isn't a shock. If you think the players and coaching staff are somehow shocked by this, you may be surprised. It is par for the course. Blame Ramapo if you want... the game would have at least been there if the Roadrunners had won.

Or blame the rest of the teams in your area. If the ODAC had been stronger or teams closer to you had been capable of putting better seasons together... the games could have been in CNU.

But let's not call this pitiful. They are in the NCAA tournament and last year proved they don't need to be at home. This year is far more difficult because DIII has gotten far more difficult.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on March 05, 2017, 09:07:23 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 05, 2017, 08:30:46 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on March 05, 2017, 07:39:37 PM
So, this is the second straight year that CNU, the #1 seed in their bracket again, is the only team that has to fly (from VA to MA, no less) to the sectional...the way the NCAA treats division 3 athletics is pitiful!  Use this as a little added motivation again, CNU!

GO CAPS!

Swish... they don't treat anyone pitifully... this is the guidelines and rules we live by in Division III. It isn't a shock. If you think the players and coaching staff are somehow shocked by this, you may be surprised. It is par for the course. Blame Ramapo if you want... the game would have at least been there if the Roadrunners had won.

Or blame the rest of the teams in your area. If the ODAC had been stronger or teams closer to you had been capable of putting better seasons together... the games could have been in CNU.

But let's not call this pitiful. They are in the NCAA tournament and last year proved they don't need to be at home. This year is far more difficult because DIII has gotten far more difficult.

I'm not shocked, and I know the players and coaching staff aren't either...we all know how it works, but I was just voicing my displeasure w/the process, which is a legitimate gripe.  The only one to blame is the NCAA...CNU is the #1 seed and has to fly to Babson...if they weren't deserving, I wouldn't be complaining.  As a fan and average person that works Monday through Friday, how the heck am I supposed to drive or fly from VA to MA for the weekend?  If you ask me, the whole thing is pitiful...AND, this is the second consecutive year that the exact same thing has happened!  Can you really blame me for being frustrated?  Hopefully, CNU will win both games and make it back to the final four, but the NCAA has once again made it that much harder....
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 05, 2017, 09:31:59 PM
Blame the NCAA... you do realize the ones who make the rules and the guidelines for how the NCAA is to operate are the schools themselves, right? So the guidelines and rules to these tournaments are discussed, endorsed, and approved by the schools. This isn't some people in the NCAA headquarters making things up. They follow what the schools and Division tells them to do. Things get changed in Division III all the time. That is what the NCAA Convention is for... but it isn't like the Division has a ton of cash to throw around. There was a time we all complained that we did was play regional teams ... teams we had spent all season playing in the first place ... in the NCAA Tournament. They changed that... spent more money doing it... and now we hear complaints about teams not being at home but traveling.

I get that fans can't travel, but it isn't like you could follow your D1 team, either, right? I mean, are you going to head out to the Midwest to follow your team for a Thursday/Saturday battle? If you have work and it affects your D3 schedule, it affects your D1 schedule as well.

Sure, CNU isn't at home... but again, that isn't the NCAA's fault. Go through the entire bracket and tell me how CNU would have been at home (outside of the women getting the hosting rights the first weekend; that is a non-starter with me because we aren't going to take opportunities away from either gender in favor of the other gender).

And last year it took some massive upsets for it not to be at CNU. Marietta could get to CNU by bus... if they had won, there was a VERY good chance it was coming to CNU. Sometimes the teams who play the games change the circumstances. Plain and simpe.

I understand being upset, but I do not think you have a legitimate grip. CNU's problems pale in comparison to those in Texas, California, or the NWC. They aren't even on the same playing field compared to their challenges.

And it certainly isn't pitiful. You probably haven't been around Division III long enough to understand what pitiful really is. We are so far past pitiful... we are in a day in age where CNU can actually be flown somewhere. That should be celebrated not hated because you can't make the game. Sorry to be blunt. We also can see the games on our computers now... there was a time you couldn't even hear the game on a computer let alone the radio. True Dark Ages.

Sure... it is too bad CNU isn't at home. It would have been an interesting debate, though, on whether Babson or CNU would have hosted. They were both #1s in their regions. Not a given CNU would have hosted if flights had nothing to do with it.

But again... this isn't the NCAA making it harder. We asked for a more national tournament over the course of the last twenty years. That is what we now have. It sucks your team can't be at home, but it is a legitimate grip in my opinion and it isn't pitiful. I understand and appreciate your frustration and displeasure... but that is a far different.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on March 06, 2017, 08:28:38 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 05, 2017, 09:31:59 PM
Blame the NCAA... you do realize the ones who make the rules and the guidelines for how the NCAA is to operate are the schools themselves, right? So the guidelines and rules to these tournaments are discussed, endorsed, and approved by the schools. This isn't some people in the NCAA headquarters making things up. They follow what the schools and Division tells them to do. Things get changed in Division III all the time. That is what the NCAA Convention is for... but it isn't like the Division has a ton of cash to throw around. There was a time we all complained that we did was play regional teams ... teams we had spent all season playing in the first place ... in the NCAA Tournament. They changed that... spent more money doing it... and now we hear complaints about teams not being at home but traveling.

I get that fans can't travel, but it isn't like you could follow your D1 team, either, right? I mean, are you going to head out to the Midwest to follow your team for a Thursday/Saturday battle? If you have work and it affects your D3 schedule, it affects your D1 schedule as well.

Sure, CNU isn't at home... but again, that isn't the NCAA's fault. Go through the entire bracket and tell me how CNU would have been at home (outside of the women getting the hosting rights the first weekend; that is a non-starter with me because we aren't going to take opportunities away from either gender in favor of the other gender).

And last year it took some massive upsets for it not to be at CNU. Marietta could get to CNU by bus... if they had won, there was a VERY good chance it was coming to CNU. Sometimes the teams who play the games change the circumstances. Plain and simpe.

I understand being upset, but I do not think you have a legitimate grip. CNU's problems pale in comparison to those in Texas, California, or the NWC. They aren't even on the same playing field compared to their challenges.

And it certainly isn't pitiful. You probably haven't been around Division III long enough to understand what pitiful really is. We are so far past pitiful... we are in a day in age where CNU can actually be flown somewhere. That should be celebrated not hated because you can't make the game. Sorry to be blunt. We also can see the games on our computers now... there was a time you couldn't even hear the game on a computer let alone the radio. True Dark Ages.

Sure... it is too bad CNU isn't at home. It would have been an interesting debate, though, on whether Babson or CNU would have hosted. They were both #1s in their regions. Not a given CNU would have hosted if flights had nothing to do with it.

But again... this isn't the NCAA making it harder. We asked for a more national tournament over the course of the last twenty years. That is what we now have. It sucks your team can't be at home, but it is a legitimate grip in my opinion and it isn't pitiful. I understand and appreciate your frustration and displeasure... but that is a far different.

Looks like Babson was #2 in the final rankings....

The bottom line is, the NCAA puts money ahead of complete and total fairness, which is sad...as a long time, passionate fan of CNU, I know these opportunities are far and few between, and it's a shame when a team is not rewarded for their accomplishments because of financial implications.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 06, 2017, 09:03:05 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on March 06, 2017, 08:28:38 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 05, 2017, 09:31:59 PM
Blame the NCAA... you do realize the ones who make the rules and the guidelines for how the NCAA is to operate are the schools themselves, right? So the guidelines and rules to these tournaments are discussed, endorsed, and approved by the schools. This isn't some people in the NCAA headquarters making things up. They follow what the schools and Division tells them to do. Things get changed in Division III all the time. That is what the NCAA Convention is for... but it isn't like the Division has a ton of cash to throw around. There was a time we all complained that we did was play regional teams ... teams we had spent all season playing in the first place ... in the NCAA Tournament. They changed that... spent more money doing it... and now we hear complaints about teams not being at home but traveling.

I get that fans can't travel, but it isn't like you could follow your D1 team, either, right? I mean, are you going to head out to the Midwest to follow your team for a Thursday/Saturday battle? If you have work and it affects your D3 schedule, it affects your D1 schedule as well.

Sure, CNU isn't at home... but again, that isn't the NCAA's fault. Go through the entire bracket and tell me how CNU would have been at home (outside of the women getting the hosting rights the first weekend; that is a non-starter with me because we aren't going to take opportunities away from either gender in favor of the other gender).

And last year it took some massive upsets for it not to be at CNU. Marietta could get to CNU by bus... if they had won, there was a VERY good chance it was coming to CNU. Sometimes the teams who play the games change the circumstances. Plain and simpe.

I understand being upset, but I do not think you have a legitimate grip. CNU's problems pale in comparison to those in Texas, California, or the NWC. They aren't even on the same playing field compared to their challenges.

And it certainly isn't pitiful. You probably haven't been around Division III long enough to understand what pitiful really is. We are so far past pitiful... we are in a day in age where CNU can actually be flown somewhere. That should be celebrated not hated because you can't make the game. Sorry to be blunt. We also can see the games on our computers now... there was a time you couldn't even hear the game on a computer let alone the radio. True Dark Ages.

Sure... it is too bad CNU isn't at home. It would have been an interesting debate, though, on whether Babson or CNU would have hosted. They were both #1s in their regions. Not a given CNU would have hosted if flights had nothing to do with it.

But again... this isn't the NCAA making it harder. We asked for a more national tournament over the course of the last twenty years. That is what we now have. It sucks your team can't be at home, but it is a legitimate grip in my opinion and it isn't pitiful. I understand and appreciate your frustration and displeasure... but that is a far different.

Looks like Babson was #2 in the final rankings....

The bottom line is, the NCAA puts money ahead of complete and total fairness, which is sad...as a long time, passionate fan of CNU, I know these opportunities are far and few between, and it's a shame when a team is not rewarded for their accomplishments because of financial implications.

No, really the d3 priority is that athletes be students first.  It comes through in the recruitment and contact rules.  It comes through in travel.  We're used to our sports being maximized for "fairness," but that's not the Division III philosophy.  Minimizing travel is a core tenet of the division.  Yes, the committee's job is to maximize fairness, but they have to do so within the limits of the division that aren't as concerned with those things.

Yes, it's more travel for teams geographically isolated, but it's less for everyone else.  It helps to look through the lens of "student" when viewing how d3 does things.  They're working as hard as they can to make sure d3 student athletes are students first.  That's what I love about the division, personally, but I'm sorry your guys are getting the raw end of it.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on March 06, 2017, 09:50:07 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 06, 2017, 09:03:05 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on March 06, 2017, 08:28:38 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 05, 2017, 09:31:59 PM
Blame the NCAA... you do realize the ones who make the rules and the guidelines for how the NCAA is to operate are the schools themselves, right? So the guidelines and rules to these tournaments are discussed, endorsed, and approved by the schools. This isn't some people in the NCAA headquarters making things up. They follow what the schools and Division tells them to do. Things get changed in Division III all the time. That is what the NCAA Convention is for... but it isn't like the Division has a ton of cash to throw around. There was a time we all complained that we did was play regional teams ... teams we had spent all season playing in the first place ... in the NCAA Tournament. They changed that... spent more money doing it... and now we hear complaints about teams not being at home but traveling.

I get that fans can't travel, but it isn't like you could follow your D1 team, either, right? I mean, are you going to head out to the Midwest to follow your team for a Thursday/Saturday battle? If you have work and it affects your D3 schedule, it affects your D1 schedule as well.

Sure, CNU isn't at home... but again, that isn't the NCAA's fault. Go through the entire bracket and tell me how CNU would have been at home (outside of the women getting the hosting rights the first weekend; that is a non-starter with me because we aren't going to take opportunities away from either gender in favor of the other gender).

And last year it took some massive upsets for it not to be at CNU. Marietta could get to CNU by bus... if they had won, there was a VERY good chance it was coming to CNU. Sometimes the teams who play the games change the circumstances. Plain and simpe.

I understand being upset, but I do not think you have a legitimate grip. CNU's problems pale in comparison to those in Texas, California, or the NWC. They aren't even on the same playing field compared to their challenges.

And it certainly isn't pitiful. You probably haven't been around Division III long enough to understand what pitiful really is. We are so far past pitiful... we are in a day in age where CNU can actually be flown somewhere. That should be celebrated not hated because you can't make the game. Sorry to be blunt. We also can see the games on our computers now... there was a time you couldn't even hear the game on a computer let alone the radio. True Dark Ages.

Sure... it is too bad CNU isn't at home. It would have been an interesting debate, though, on whether Babson or CNU would have hosted. They were both #1s in their regions. Not a given CNU would have hosted if flights had nothing to do with it.

But again... this isn't the NCAA making it harder. We asked for a more national tournament over the course of the last twenty years. That is what we now have. It sucks your team can't be at home, but it is a legitimate grip in my opinion and it isn't pitiful. I understand and appreciate your frustration and displeasure... but that is a far different.

Looks like Babson was #2 in the final rankings....

The bottom line is, the NCAA puts money ahead of complete and total fairness, which is sad...as a long time, passionate fan of CNU, I know these opportunities are far and few between, and it's a shame when a team is not rewarded for their accomplishments because of financial implications.

No, really the d3 priority is that athletes be students first.  It comes through in the recruitment and contact rules.  It comes through in travel.  We're used to our sports being maximized for "fairness," but that's not the Division III philosophy.  Minimizing travel is a core tenet of the division.  Yes, the committee's job is to maximize fairness, but they have to do so within the limits of the division that aren't as concerned with those things.

Yes, it's more travel for teams geographically isolated, but it's less for everyone else.  It helps to look through the lens of "student" when viewing how d3 does things.  They're working as hard as they can to make sure d3 student athletes are students first.  That's what I love about the division, personally, but I'm sorry your guys are getting the raw end of it.

...again!  Flying the #1 seed from southeastern VA to NY, then MA in consecutive years is totally unfair to CNU however you slice it...as they say, though, life ain't fair!  CNU has a chance to win the sectional at Babson, and I hope they do, which would truly be just!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 06, 2017, 10:28:58 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on March 06, 2017, 09:50:07 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 06, 2017, 09:03:05 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on March 06, 2017, 08:28:38 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 05, 2017, 09:31:59 PM
Blame the NCAA... you do realize the ones who make the rules and the guidelines for how the NCAA is to operate are the schools themselves, right? So the guidelines and rules to these tournaments are discussed, endorsed, and approved by the schools. This isn't some people in the NCAA headquarters making things up. They follow what the schools and Division tells them to do. Things get changed in Division III all the time. That is what the NCAA Convention is for... but it isn't like the Division has a ton of cash to throw around. There was a time we all complained that we did was play regional teams ... teams we had spent all season playing in the first place ... in the NCAA Tournament. They changed that... spent more money doing it... and now we hear complaints about teams not being at home but traveling.

I get that fans can't travel, but it isn't like you could follow your D1 team, either, right? I mean, are you going to head out to the Midwest to follow your team for a Thursday/Saturday battle? If you have work and it affects your D3 schedule, it affects your D1 schedule as well.

Sure, CNU isn't at home... but again, that isn't the NCAA's fault. Go through the entire bracket and tell me how CNU would have been at home (outside of the women getting the hosting rights the first weekend; that is a non-starter with me because we aren't going to take opportunities away from either gender in favor of the other gender).

And last year it took some massive upsets for it not to be at CNU. Marietta could get to CNU by bus... if they had won, there was a VERY good chance it was coming to CNU. Sometimes the teams who play the games change the circumstances. Plain and simpe.

I understand being upset, but I do not think you have a legitimate grip. CNU's problems pale in comparison to those in Texas, California, or the NWC. They aren't even on the same playing field compared to their challenges.

And it certainly isn't pitiful. You probably haven't been around Division III long enough to understand what pitiful really is. We are so far past pitiful... we are in a day in age where CNU can actually be flown somewhere. That should be celebrated not hated because you can't make the game. Sorry to be blunt. We also can see the games on our computers now... there was a time you couldn't even hear the game on a computer let alone the radio. True Dark Ages.

Sure... it is too bad CNU isn't at home. It would have been an interesting debate, though, on whether Babson or CNU would have hosted. They were both #1s in their regions. Not a given CNU would have hosted if flights had nothing to do with it.

But again... this isn't the NCAA making it harder. We asked for a more national tournament over the course of the last twenty years. That is what we now have. It sucks your team can't be at home, but it is a legitimate grip in my opinion and it isn't pitiful. I understand and appreciate your frustration and displeasure... but that is a far different.

Looks like Babson was #2 in the final rankings....

The bottom line is, the NCAA puts money ahead of complete and total fairness, which is sad...as a long time, passionate fan of CNU, I know these opportunities are far and few between, and it's a shame when a team is not rewarded for their accomplishments because of financial implications.

No, really the d3 priority is that athletes be students first.  It comes through in the recruitment and contact rules.  It comes through in travel.  We're used to our sports being maximized for "fairness," but that's not the Division III philosophy.  Minimizing travel is a core tenet of the division.  Yes, the committee's job is to maximize fairness, but they have to do so within the limits of the division that aren't as concerned with those things.

Yes, it's more travel for teams geographically isolated, but it's less for everyone else.  It helps to look through the lens of "student" when viewing how d3 does things.  They're working as hard as they can to make sure d3 student athletes are students first.  That's what I love about the division, personally, but I'm sorry your guys are getting the raw end of it.

...again!  Flying the #1 seed from southeastern VA to NY, then MA in consecutive years is totally unfair to CNU however you slice it...as they say, though, life ain't fair!  CNU has a chance to win the sectional at Babson, and I hope they do, which would truly be just!

Well, if they need some bulletin board fodder, I can provide it (it seems I've done plenty of that already).  I love CNU.  I love the team, the coach, the guys.  They're on the region I live on and covered for a couple years.  Aaron McFarland is one the best people I've covered and seen playing d3.  That being said, I have real reservations about them coming through in big games.  I've not seen Daly step up this year - he's certainly been good throughout, but that extra level hasn't been as evident as I would've expected.  Carter showing up last weekend is a good sign, but in these pressure packed weekends, it's tough to pick them - even though I think they've got the best team on paper.  Facing Keene and potentially Babson - two teams who have really over-performed in big moments - that's going to be a tough call.

I'm not sure I'm going to be able to travel this weekend - family commitments - but if I do, it'll be to that sectional.  I think it's got the best talent overall and the best matchups throughout.  Any of the teams is capable of winning it, but I think I'd lean Babson over CNU on Saturday, if I'm picking.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on March 06, 2017, 10:40:57 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 06, 2017, 10:28:58 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on March 06, 2017, 09:50:07 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 06, 2017, 09:03:05 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on March 06, 2017, 08:28:38 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 05, 2017, 09:31:59 PM
Blame the NCAA... you do realize the ones who make the rules and the guidelines for how the NCAA is to operate are the schools themselves, right? So the guidelines and rules to these tournaments are discussed, endorsed, and approved by the schools. This isn't some people in the NCAA headquarters making things up. They follow what the schools and Division tells them to do. Things get changed in Division III all the time. That is what the NCAA Convention is for... but it isn't like the Division has a ton of cash to throw around. There was a time we all complained that we did was play regional teams ... teams we had spent all season playing in the first place ... in the NCAA Tournament. They changed that... spent more money doing it... and now we hear complaints about teams not being at home but traveling.

I get that fans can't travel, but it isn't like you could follow your D1 team, either, right? I mean, are you going to head out to the Midwest to follow your team for a Thursday/Saturday battle? If you have work and it affects your D3 schedule, it affects your D1 schedule as well.

Sure, CNU isn't at home... but again, that isn't the NCAA's fault. Go through the entire bracket and tell me how CNU would have been at home (outside of the women getting the hosting rights the first weekend; that is a non-starter with me because we aren't going to take opportunities away from either gender in favor of the other gender).

And last year it took some massive upsets for it not to be at CNU. Marietta could get to CNU by bus... if they had won, there was a VERY good chance it was coming to CNU. Sometimes the teams who play the games change the circumstances. Plain and simpe.

I understand being upset, but I do not think you have a legitimate grip. CNU's problems pale in comparison to those in Texas, California, or the NWC. They aren't even on the same playing field compared to their challenges.

And it certainly isn't pitiful. You probably haven't been around Division III long enough to understand what pitiful really is. We are so far past pitiful... we are in a day in age where CNU can actually be flown somewhere. That should be celebrated not hated because you can't make the game. Sorry to be blunt. We also can see the games on our computers now... there was a time you couldn't even hear the game on a computer let alone the radio. True Dark Ages.

Sure... it is too bad CNU isn't at home. It would have been an interesting debate, though, on whether Babson or CNU would have hosted. They were both #1s in their regions. Not a given CNU would have hosted if flights had nothing to do with it.

But again... this isn't the NCAA making it harder. We asked for a more national tournament over the course of the last twenty years. That is what we now have. It sucks your team can't be at home, but it is a legitimate grip in my opinion and it isn't pitiful. I understand and appreciate your frustration and displeasure... but that is a far different.

Looks like Babson was #2 in the final rankings....

The bottom line is, the NCAA puts money ahead of complete and total fairness, which is sad...as a long time, passionate fan of CNU, I know these opportunities are far and few between, and it's a shame when a team is not rewarded for their accomplishments because of financial implications.

No, really the d3 priority is that athletes be students first.  It comes through in the recruitment and contact rules.  It comes through in travel.  We're used to our sports being maximized for "fairness," but that's not the Division III philosophy.  Minimizing travel is a core tenet of the division.  Yes, the committee's job is to maximize fairness, but they have to do so within the limits of the division that aren't as concerned with those things.

Yes, it's more travel for teams geographically isolated, but it's less for everyone else.  It helps to look through the lens of "student" when viewing how d3 does things.  They're working as hard as they can to make sure d3 student athletes are students first.  That's what I love about the division, personally, but I'm sorry your guys are getting the raw end of it.

...again!  Flying the #1 seed from southeastern VA to NY, then MA in consecutive years is totally unfair to CNU however you slice it...as they say, though, life ain't fair!  CNU has a chance to win the sectional at Babson, and I hope they do, which would truly be just!

Well, if they need some bulletin board fodder, I can provide it (it seems I've done plenty of that already).  I love CNU.  I love the team, the coach, the guys.  They're on the region I live on and covered for a couple years.  Aaron McFarland is one the best people I've covered and seen playing d3.  That being said, I have real reservations about them coming through in big games.  I've not seen Daly step up this year - he's certainly been good throughout, but that extra level hasn't been as evident as I would've expected.  Carter showing up last weekend is a good sign, but in these pressure packed weekends, it's tough to pick them - even though I think they've got the best team on paper.  Facing Keene and potentially Babson - two teams who have really over-performed in big moments - that's going to be a tough call.

I'm not sure I'm going to be able to travel this weekend - family commitments - but if I do, it'll be to that sectional.  I think it's got the best talent overall and the best matchups throughout.  Any of the teams is capable of winning it, but I think I'd lean Babson over CNU on Saturday, if I'm picking.

Muhaha!!!!! Fodder!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 06, 2017, 10:50:36 AM
Quote from: CNU85 on March 06, 2017, 10:40:57 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 06, 2017, 10:28:58 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on March 06, 2017, 09:50:07 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 06, 2017, 09:03:05 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on March 06, 2017, 08:28:38 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 05, 2017, 09:31:59 PM
Blame the NCAA... you do realize the ones who make the rules and the guidelines for how the NCAA is to operate are the schools themselves, right? So the guidelines and rules to these tournaments are discussed, endorsed, and approved by the schools. This isn't some people in the NCAA headquarters making things up. They follow what the schools and Division tells them to do. Things get changed in Division III all the time. That is what the NCAA Convention is for... but it isn't like the Division has a ton of cash to throw around. There was a time we all complained that we did was play regional teams ... teams we had spent all season playing in the first place ... in the NCAA Tournament. They changed that... spent more money doing it... and now we hear complaints about teams not being at home but traveling.

I get that fans can't travel, but it isn't like you could follow your D1 team, either, right? I mean, are you going to head out to the Midwest to follow your team for a Thursday/Saturday battle? If you have work and it affects your D3 schedule, it affects your D1 schedule as well.

Sure, CNU isn't at home... but again, that isn't the NCAA's fault. Go through the entire bracket and tell me how CNU would have been at home (outside of the women getting the hosting rights the first weekend; that is a non-starter with me because we aren't going to take opportunities away from either gender in favor of the other gender).

And last year it took some massive upsets for it not to be at CNU. Marietta could get to CNU by bus... if they had won, there was a VERY good chance it was coming to CNU. Sometimes the teams who play the games change the circumstances. Plain and simpe.

I understand being upset, but I do not think you have a legitimate grip. CNU's problems pale in comparison to those in Texas, California, or the NWC. They aren't even on the same playing field compared to their challenges.

And it certainly isn't pitiful. You probably haven't been around Division III long enough to understand what pitiful really is. We are so far past pitiful... we are in a day in age where CNU can actually be flown somewhere. That should be celebrated not hated because you can't make the game. Sorry to be blunt. We also can see the games on our computers now... there was a time you couldn't even hear the game on a computer let alone the radio. True Dark Ages.

Sure... it is too bad CNU isn't at home. It would have been an interesting debate, though, on whether Babson or CNU would have hosted. They were both #1s in their regions. Not a given CNU would have hosted if flights had nothing to do with it.

But again... this isn't the NCAA making it harder. We asked for a more national tournament over the course of the last twenty years. That is what we now have. It sucks your team can't be at home, but it is a legitimate grip in my opinion and it isn't pitiful. I understand and appreciate your frustration and displeasure... but that is a far different.

Looks like Babson was #2 in the final rankings....

The bottom line is, the NCAA puts money ahead of complete and total fairness, which is sad...as a long time, passionate fan of CNU, I know these opportunities are far and few between, and it's a shame when a team is not rewarded for their accomplishments because of financial implications.

No, really the d3 priority is that athletes be students first.  It comes through in the recruitment and contact rules.  It comes through in travel.  We're used to our sports being maximized for "fairness," but that's not the Division III philosophy.  Minimizing travel is a core tenet of the division.  Yes, the committee's job is to maximize fairness, but they have to do so within the limits of the division that aren't as concerned with those things.

Yes, it's more travel for teams geographically isolated, but it's less for everyone else.  It helps to look through the lens of "student" when viewing how d3 does things.  They're working as hard as they can to make sure d3 student athletes are students first.  That's what I love about the division, personally, but I'm sorry your guys are getting the raw end of it.

...again!  Flying the #1 seed from southeastern VA to NY, then MA in consecutive years is totally unfair to CNU however you slice it...as they say, though, life ain't fair!  CNU has a chance to win the sectional at Babson, and I hope they do, which would truly be just!

Well, if they need some bulletin board fodder, I can provide it (it seems I've done plenty of that already).  I love CNU.  I love the team, the coach, the guys.  They're on the region I live on and covered for a couple years.  Aaron McFarland is one the best people I've covered and seen playing d3.  That being said, I have real reservations about them coming through in big games.  I've not seen Daly step up this year - he's certainly been good throughout, but that extra level hasn't been as evident as I would've expected.  Carter showing up last weekend is a good sign, but in these pressure packed weekends, it's tough to pick them - even though I think they've got the best team on paper.  Facing Keene and potentially Babson - two teams who have really over-performed in big moments - that's going to be a tough call.

I'm not sure I'm going to be able to travel this weekend - family commitments - but if I do, it'll be to that sectional.  I think it's got the best talent overall and the best matchups throughout.  Any of the teams is capable of winning it, but I think I'd lean Babson over CNU on Saturday, if I'm picking.

Muhaha!!!!! Fodder!

I already had teams call me out twice for things I didn't even mean to be fodder.  But I'd be happy if CNU proved me wrong, because I like those guys and I'd love to see them in Salem again.  Honestly, though, it's tough not to like most every team.  Great players, great coaches, great stories.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on March 06, 2017, 11:28:34 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 06, 2017, 10:28:58 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on March 06, 2017, 09:50:07 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 06, 2017, 09:03:05 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on March 06, 2017, 08:28:38 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 05, 2017, 09:31:59 PM
Blame the NCAA... you do realize the ones who make the rules and the guidelines for how the NCAA is to operate are the schools themselves, right? So the guidelines and rules to these tournaments are discussed, endorsed, and approved by the schools. This isn't some people in the NCAA headquarters making things up. They follow what the schools and Division tells them to do. Things get changed in Division III all the time. That is what the NCAA Convention is for... but it isn't like the Division has a ton of cash to throw around. There was a time we all complained that we did was play regional teams ... teams we had spent all season playing in the first place ... in the NCAA Tournament. They changed that... spent more money doing it... and now we hear complaints about teams not being at home but traveling.

I get that fans can't travel, but it isn't like you could follow your D1 team, either, right? I mean, are you going to head out to the Midwest to follow your team for a Thursday/Saturday battle? If you have work and it affects your D3 schedule, it affects your D1 schedule as well.

Sure, CNU isn't at home... but again, that isn't the NCAA's fault. Go through the entire bracket and tell me how CNU would have been at home (outside of the women getting the hosting rights the first weekend; that is a non-starter with me because we aren't going to take opportunities away from either gender in favor of the other gender).

And last year it took some massive upsets for it not to be at CNU. Marietta could get to CNU by bus... if they had won, there was a VERY good chance it was coming to CNU. Sometimes the teams who play the games change the circumstances. Plain and simpe.

I understand being upset, but I do not think you have a legitimate grip. CNU's problems pale in comparison to those in Texas, California, or the NWC. They aren't even on the same playing field compared to their challenges.

And it certainly isn't pitiful. You probably haven't been around Division III long enough to understand what pitiful really is. We are so far past pitiful... we are in a day in age where CNU can actually be flown somewhere. That should be celebrated not hated because you can't make the game. Sorry to be blunt. We also can see the games on our computers now... there was a time you couldn't even hear the game on a computer let alone the radio. True Dark Ages.

Sure... it is too bad CNU isn't at home. It would have been an interesting debate, though, on whether Babson or CNU would have hosted. They were both #1s in their regions. Not a given CNU would have hosted if flights had nothing to do with it.

But again... this isn't the NCAA making it harder. We asked for a more national tournament over the course of the last twenty years. That is what we now have. It sucks your team can't be at home, but it is a legitimate grip in my opinion and it isn't pitiful. I understand and appreciate your frustration and displeasure... but that is a far different.

Looks like Babson was #2 in the final rankings....

The bottom line is, the NCAA puts money ahead of complete and total fairness, which is sad...as a long time, passionate fan of CNU, I know these opportunities are far and few between, and it's a shame when a team is not rewarded for their accomplishments because of financial implications.

No, really the d3 priority is that athletes be students first.  It comes through in the recruitment and contact rules.  It comes through in travel.  We're used to our sports being maximized for "fairness," but that's not the Division III philosophy.  Minimizing travel is a core tenet of the division.  Yes, the committee's job is to maximize fairness, but they have to do so within the limits of the division that aren't as concerned with those things.

Yes, it's more travel for teams geographically isolated, but it's less for everyone else.  It helps to look through the lens of "student" when viewing how d3 does things.  They're working as hard as they can to make sure d3 student athletes are students first.  That's what I love about the division, personally, but I'm sorry your guys are getting the raw end of it.

...again!  Flying the #1 seed from southeastern VA to NY, then MA in consecutive years is totally unfair to CNU however you slice it...as they say, though, life ain't fair!  CNU has a chance to win the sectional at Babson, and I hope they do, which would truly be just!

Well, if they need some bulletin board fodder, I can provide it (it seems I've done plenty of that already).  I love CNU.  I love the team, the coach, the guys.  They're on the region I live on and covered for a couple years.  Aaron McFarland is one the best people I've covered and seen playing d3.  That being said, I have real reservations about them coming through in big games.  I've not seen Daly step up this year - he's certainly been good throughout, but that extra level hasn't been as evident as I would've expected.  Carter showing up last weekend is a good sign, but in these pressure packed weekends, it's tough to pick them - even though I think they've got the best team on paper.  Facing Keene and potentially Babson - two teams who have really over-performed in big moments - that's going to be a tough call.

I'm not sure I'm going to be able to travel this weekend - family commitments - but if I do, it'll be to that sectional.  I think it's got the best talent overall and the best matchups throughout.  Any of the teams is capable of winning it, but I think I'd lean Babson over CNU on Saturday, if I'm picking.

Well, you did pick Salisbury to make it to the Final Four, so I'm glad you're picking against CNU...;)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 06, 2017, 11:31:22 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on March 06, 2017, 11:28:34 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 06, 2017, 10:28:58 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on March 06, 2017, 09:50:07 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 06, 2017, 09:03:05 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on March 06, 2017, 08:28:38 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 05, 2017, 09:31:59 PM
Blame the NCAA... you do realize the ones who make the rules and the guidelines for how the NCAA is to operate are the schools themselves, right? So the guidelines and rules to these tournaments are discussed, endorsed, and approved by the schools. This isn't some people in the NCAA headquarters making things up. They follow what the schools and Division tells them to do. Things get changed in Division III all the time. That is what the NCAA Convention is for... but it isn't like the Division has a ton of cash to throw around. There was a time we all complained that we did was play regional teams ... teams we had spent all season playing in the first place ... in the NCAA Tournament. They changed that... spent more money doing it... and now we hear complaints about teams not being at home but traveling.

I get that fans can't travel, but it isn't like you could follow your D1 team, either, right? I mean, are you going to head out to the Midwest to follow your team for a Thursday/Saturday battle? If you have work and it affects your D3 schedule, it affects your D1 schedule as well.

Sure, CNU isn't at home... but again, that isn't the NCAA's fault. Go through the entire bracket and tell me how CNU would have been at home (outside of the women getting the hosting rights the first weekend; that is a non-starter with me because we aren't going to take opportunities away from either gender in favor of the other gender).

And last year it took some massive upsets for it not to be at CNU. Marietta could get to CNU by bus... if they had won, there was a VERY good chance it was coming to CNU. Sometimes the teams who play the games change the circumstances. Plain and simpe.

I understand being upset, but I do not think you have a legitimate grip. CNU's problems pale in comparison to those in Texas, California, or the NWC. They aren't even on the same playing field compared to their challenges.

And it certainly isn't pitiful. You probably haven't been around Division III long enough to understand what pitiful really is. We are so far past pitiful... we are in a day in age where CNU can actually be flown somewhere. That should be celebrated not hated because you can't make the game. Sorry to be blunt. We also can see the games on our computers now... there was a time you couldn't even hear the game on a computer let alone the radio. True Dark Ages.

Sure... it is too bad CNU isn't at home. It would have been an interesting debate, though, on whether Babson or CNU would have hosted. They were both #1s in their regions. Not a given CNU would have hosted if flights had nothing to do with it.

But again... this isn't the NCAA making it harder. We asked for a more national tournament over the course of the last twenty years. That is what we now have. It sucks your team can't be at home, but it is a legitimate grip in my opinion and it isn't pitiful. I understand and appreciate your frustration and displeasure... but that is a far different.

Looks like Babson was #2 in the final rankings....

The bottom line is, the NCAA puts money ahead of complete and total fairness, which is sad...as a long time, passionate fan of CNU, I know these opportunities are far and few between, and it's a shame when a team is not rewarded for their accomplishments because of financial implications.

No, really the d3 priority is that athletes be students first.  It comes through in the recruitment and contact rules.  It comes through in travel.  We're used to our sports being maximized for "fairness," but that's not the Division III philosophy.  Minimizing travel is a core tenet of the division.  Yes, the committee's job is to maximize fairness, but they have to do so within the limits of the division that aren't as concerned with those things.

Yes, it's more travel for teams geographically isolated, but it's less for everyone else.  It helps to look through the lens of "student" when viewing how d3 does things.  They're working as hard as they can to make sure d3 student athletes are students first.  That's what I love about the division, personally, but I'm sorry your guys are getting the raw end of it.

...again!  Flying the #1 seed from southeastern VA to NY, then MA in consecutive years is totally unfair to CNU however you slice it...as they say, though, life ain't fair!  CNU has a chance to win the sectional at Babson, and I hope they do, which would truly be just!

Well, if they need some bulletin board fodder, I can provide it (it seems I've done plenty of that already).  I love CNU.  I love the team, the coach, the guys.  They're on the region I live on and covered for a couple years.  Aaron McFarland is one the best people I've covered and seen playing d3.  That being said, I have real reservations about them coming through in big games.  I've not seen Daly step up this year - he's certainly been good throughout, but that extra level hasn't been as evident as I would've expected.  Carter showing up last weekend is a good sign, but in these pressure packed weekends, it's tough to pick them - even though I think they've got the best team on paper.  Facing Keene and potentially Babson - two teams who have really over-performed in big moments - that's going to be a tough call.

I'm not sure I'm going to be able to travel this weekend - family commitments - but if I do, it'll be to that sectional.  I think it's got the best talent overall and the best matchups throughout.  Any of the teams is capable of winning it, but I think I'd lean Babson over CNU on Saturday, if I'm picking.

Well, you did pick Salisbury to make it to the Final Four, so I'm glad you're picking against CNU...;)

I do have every game in CNU's bracket correct so far.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on March 06, 2017, 04:05:05 PM
I think CNU's currently playing at a high level...just need to shoot free throws better.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 06, 2017, 11:03:26 PM
Swish3... the complaint about a team being higher ranked and flying to another location is weak in Division III. If you would like me to go through every single example of when this has happened because of the rules that govern Division III... I will be up all night.

Before I drop in some examples, I was told by the committee chair they were treating Babson as the top seed in this part of the bracket despite their location in the bracket. Yes, I see Babson was moved to #2 in the region, but Middlebury isn't in this part of the bracket so that makes it irrelevent. Further, when it comes to deciding hosts with all things equal, many times a lower ranked team in another region will be selected over a #1 in another. In fact, it nearly happened on the women's side (before the travel dictated another solution). The women's committee debated and discussed apparently for half an hour whether Geneseo or Ohio Northern should host. Geneseo #1 in East; ONU #2 in Great Lakes. The committee was split. They eventually went with Geneseo in a close vote, but then had to go with ONU because of travel.

Speaking of which, Geneseo and Trinity are both on the road this weekend besides being #1s in their regions. One of them happens to be playing at a #2.

On the men's sie, Whitman is pretty much #1 in the entire bracket. They are traveling to Marietta. Heck, #2 Hanover is the highest ranked team in their bracket. Instead of playing Hope at thier place, they are traveling TO Hope for their game.

As I have said before, things are FAR fairer now, but if you are going to complain about it at least get some of the facts straight. CNU wasn't being treated as the top seed in this bracket. Babson and Tufts were considered higher, so I didn't see how CNU was going to host anyway. But what matters more than anything is that they get fair matchups and so far they absolutely have had fairer matchups based on the NCAA criteria.

Also as Ryan mentioned, this is about the experiences the student-athletes get. How many on the team have been to Boston? How many were probably going to go to Boston? The committee doesn't care if it hurts the fans. If the NCAA cared about those things, the D1 tournament would look a HELL of a lot different. This is about the experience for the students and considering the restrictions on Division III because they are students first, I think it is awesome that we now have a tournament that can have these matchups. Thanks to web streaming, we can see them too.

Does it suck you can't make the game? Sure. Does it suck that the team can't be at home? Sure, but they have indicated in the past that isn't the end of the world for them. This is Division III. It isn't going to be spend money now and ask questions later. We live in era that allows a lot more spending thanks very much to the Turner/CBS deal with Division I basketball. But we can't just spend money how ever we want it like sending everyone to CNU.

But again... from what the committee told me... this was Babson's bracket to rule, not CNU's.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on March 07, 2017, 09:44:52 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 06, 2017, 11:03:26 PM
Swish3... the complaint about a team being higher ranked and flying to another location is weak in Division III. If you would like me to go through every single example of when this has happened because of the rules that govern Division III... I will be up all night.

Before I drop in some examples, I was told by the committee chair they were treating Babson as the top seed in this part of the bracket despite their location in the bracket. Yes, I see Babson was moved to #2 in the region, but Middlebury isn't in this part of the bracket so that makes it irrelevent. Further, when it comes to deciding hosts with all things equal, many times a lower ranked team in another region will be selected over a #1 in another. In fact, it nearly happened on the women's side (before the travel dictated another solution). The women's committee debated and discussed apparently for half an hour whether Geneseo or Ohio Northern should host. Geneseo #1 in East; ONU #2 in Great Lakes. The committee was split. They eventually went with Geneseo in a close vote, but then had to go with ONU because of travel.

Speaking of which, Geneseo and Trinity are both on the road this weekend besides being #1s in their regions. One of them happens to be playing at a #2.

On the men's sie, Whitman is pretty much #1 in the entire bracket. They are traveling to Marietta. Heck, #2 Hanover is the highest ranked team in their bracket. Instead of playing Hope at thier place, they are traveling TO Hope for their game.

As I have said before, things are FAR fairer now, but if you are going to complain about it at least get some of the facts straight. CNU wasn't being treated as the top seed in this bracket. Babson and Tufts were considered higher, so I didn't see how CNU was going to host anyway. But what matters more than anything is that they get fair matchups and so far they absolutely have had fairer matchups based on the NCAA criteria.

Also as Ryan mentioned, this is about the experiences the student-athletes get. How many on the team have been to Boston? How many were probably going to go to Boston? The committee doesn't care if it hurts the fans. If the NCAA cared about those things, the D1 tournament would look a HELL of a lot different. This is about the experience for the students and considering the restrictions on Division III because they are students first, I think it is awesome that we now have a tournament that can have these matchups. Thanks to web streaming, we can see them too.

Does it suck you can't make the game? Sure. Does it suck that the team can't be at home? Sure, but they have indicated in the past that isn't the end of the world for them. This is Division III. It isn't going to be spend money now and ask questions later. We live in era that allows a lot more spending thanks very much to the Turner/CBS deal with Division I basketball. But we can't just spend money how ever we want it like sending everyone to CNU.

But again... from what the committee told me... this was Babson's bracket to rule, not CNU's.

And looking at the bright side of things.....by staying home for the game, I can drink beer during the game!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on March 07, 2017, 10:41:20 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 06, 2017, 11:03:26 PM
Swish3... the complaint about a team being higher ranked and flying to another location is weak in Division III. If you would like me to go through every single example of when this has happened because of the rules that govern Division III... I will be up all night.

Before I drop in some examples, I was told by the committee chair they were treating Babson as the top seed in this part of the bracket despite their location in the bracket. Yes, I see Babson was moved to #2 in the region, but Middlebury isn't in this part of the bracket so that makes it irrelevent. Further, when it comes to deciding hosts with all things equal, many times a lower ranked team in another region will be selected over a #1 in another. In fact, it nearly happened on the women's side (before the travel dictated another solution). The women's committee debated and discussed apparently for half an hour whether Geneseo or Ohio Northern should host. Geneseo #1 in East; ONU #2 in Great Lakes. The committee was split. They eventually went with Geneseo in a close vote, but then had to go with ONU because of travel.

Speaking of which, Geneseo and Trinity are both on the road this weekend besides being #1s in their regions. One of them happens to be playing at a #2.

On the men's sie, Whitman is pretty much #1 in the entire bracket. They are traveling to Marietta. Heck, #2 Hanover is the highest ranked team in their bracket. Instead of playing Hope at thier place, they are traveling TO Hope for their game.

As I have said before, things are FAR fairer now, but if you are going to complain about it at least get some of the facts straight. CNU wasn't being treated as the top seed in this bracket. Babson and Tufts were considered higher, so I didn't see how CNU was going to host anyway. But what matters more than anything is that they get fair matchups and so far they absolutely have had fairer matchups based on the NCAA criteria.

Also as Ryan mentioned, this is about the experiences the student-athletes get. How many on the team have been to Boston? How many were probably going to go to Boston? The committee doesn't care if it hurts the fans. If the NCAA cared about those things, the D1 tournament would look a HELL of a lot different. This is about the experience for the students and considering the restrictions on Division III because they are students first, I think it is awesome that we now have a tournament that can have these matchups. Thanks to web streaming, we can see them too.

Does it suck you can't make the game? Sure. Does it suck that the team can't be at home? Sure, but they have indicated in the past that isn't the end of the world for them. This is Division III. It isn't going to be spend money now and ask questions later. We live in era that allows a lot more spending thanks very much to the Turner/CBS deal with Division I basketball. But we can't just spend money how ever we want it like sending everyone to CNU.

But again... from what the committee told me... this was Babson's bracket to rule, not CNU's.

You have the luxury of speaking w/the committee to find out...if I read Ryan's and your previous comments correctly, it seems that both of you thought CNU was the #1 seed, so I assumed they were.  Given that they're not, I can't complain about Babson hosting, as that was the basis of my whole argument...in the interest of being as fair as possible, the highest remaining seed should host, regardless of how much it costs to get the other teams there.  I will say, though, determining the #1 seed can be subjective....
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 07, 2017, 10:53:04 AM
Unfortunately, everyone has a budget, or I'd be traveling all over the world regardless of the cost.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on March 07, 2017, 11:05:17 AM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on March 07, 2017, 10:53:04 AM
Unfortunately, everyone has a budget, or I'd be traveling all over the world regardless of the cost.

Apples and oranges, in my opinion....
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 07, 2017, 01:31:34 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on March 07, 2017, 11:05:17 AM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on March 07, 2017, 10:53:04 AM
Unfortunately, everyone has a budget, or I'd be traveling all over the world regardless of the cost.

Apples and oranges, in my opinion....

Not really... the NCAA has a budget especially in Division III... keeps the tournament from having more travel and any host they wanted.

CNU was #1 in the Mid-Atlantic and Babson ended up being #2. However, they still put their numbers head-to-head to decide a host if money wasn't an option... and I think Babson would have still come out on top. I could be wrong, since I am doing it off the top of my head. The other thing, though, is we have been predicting CNU on the road for the entire tournament since the moment I saw the bracket. Trust me... CNU knew the situation as well. It is how this divisions is designed.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 07, 2017, 01:36:09 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 07, 2017, 01:31:34 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on March 07, 2017, 11:05:17 AM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on March 07, 2017, 10:53:04 AM
Unfortunately, everyone has a budget, or I'd be traveling all over the world regardless of the cost.

Apples and oranges, in my opinion....

Not really... the NCAA has a budget especially in Division III... keeps the tournament from having more travel and any host they wanted.

CNU was #1 in the Mid-Atlantic and Babson ended up being #2. However, they still put their numbers head-to-head to decide a host if money wasn't an option... and I think Babson would have still come out on top. I could be wrong, since I am doing it off the top of my head. The other thing, though, is we have been predicting CNU on the road for the entire tournament since the moment I saw the bracket. Trust me... CNU knew the situation as well. It is how this divisions is designed.

Seeding is the fourth consideration when they're looking at it - geography comes first.  CNU would've been eliminated from contention before they even got to seeding.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 07, 2017, 01:41:43 PM
To that point... those criteria for hosting are actually in an order or priority unlike the ranking criteria which does not have a priority system.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on March 07, 2017, 02:12:16 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 07, 2017, 01:31:34 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on March 07, 2017, 11:05:17 AM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on March 07, 2017, 10:53:04 AM
Unfortunately, everyone has a budget, or I'd be traveling all over the world regardless of the cost.

Apples and oranges, in my opinion....

Not really... the NCAA has a budget especially in Division III... keeps the tournament from having more travel and any host they wanted.

CNU was #1 in the Mid-Atlantic and Babson ended up being #2. However, they still put their numbers head-to-head to decide a host if money wasn't an option... and I think Babson would have still come out on top. I could be wrong, since I am doing it off the top of my head. The other thing, though, is we have been predicting CNU on the road for the entire tournament since the moment I saw the bracket. Trust me... CNU knew the situation as well. It is how this divisions is designed.

If they really wanted to, I'm sure the NCAA could take enough money from their Division I budget to do the right thing for D III, which seems like it'd be a drop in the bucket....

Myself and the CNU coaches/players knew they weren't going to host, but once it became official, I wanted to voice my opinion on the matter....
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on March 07, 2017, 02:21:35 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 07, 2017, 01:36:09 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 07, 2017, 01:31:34 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on March 07, 2017, 11:05:17 AM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on March 07, 2017, 10:53:04 AM
Unfortunately, everyone has a budget, or I'd be traveling all over the world regardless of the cost.

Apples and oranges, in my opinion....

Not really... the NCAA has a budget especially in Division III... keeps the tournament from having more travel and any host they wanted.

CNU was #1 in the Mid-Atlantic and Babson ended up being #2. However, they still put their numbers head-to-head to decide a host if money wasn't an option... and I think Babson would have still come out on top. I could be wrong, since I am doing it off the top of my head. The other thing, though, is we have been predicting CNU on the road for the entire tournament since the moment I saw the bracket. Trust me... CNU knew the situation as well. It is how this divisions is designed.

Seeding is the fourth consideration when they're looking at it - geography comes first.  CNU would've been eliminated from contention before they even got to seeding.

They actually use the word "geography", instead of "cheapest"? :)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on March 07, 2017, 02:24:13 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 07, 2017, 01:41:43 PM
To that point... those criteria for hosting are actually in an order or priority unlike the ranking criteria which does not have a priority system.

As in, 1. cheapest, 2. cheaper, 3. cheap, 4. seeding...just having some fun, Dave...take your bp medicine.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 07, 2017, 09:26:56 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on March 07, 2017, 02:12:16 PM
If they really wanted to, I'm sure the NCAA could take enough money from their Division I budget to do the right thing for D III, which seems like it'd be a drop in the bucket....

Except it's not the NCAA office that makes those decisions. It's the NCAA member schools, and it's written into the constitution. I don't think you'll find much support from Division I schools for changing the constitution to give them less money. (Let alone Division II, which probably wouldn't be in favor of it either unless they also got more money out of the deal.)

C'mon, man -- you worked at a D-III school. You should know this stuff.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on March 08, 2017, 08:41:49 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 07, 2017, 09:26:56 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on March 07, 2017, 02:12:16 PM
If they really wanted to, I'm sure the NCAA could take enough money from their Division I budget to do the right thing for D III, which seems like it'd be a drop in the bucket....

Except it's not the NCAA office that makes those decisions. It's the NCAA member schools, and it's written into the constitution. I don't think you'll find much support from Division I schools for changing the constitution to give them less money. (Let alone Division II, which probably wouldn't be in favor of it either unless they also got more money out of the deal.)

C'mon, man -- you worked at a D-III school. You should know this stuff.

Still do, Pat, but I don't know how the NCAA works, so I shouldn't have commented...I guess I made what I thought was a logical assumption in regards to making the financial inequality better amongst divisions.  College basketball is such a business, which is a sad and unfortunate reality.... 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 08, 2017, 12:04:32 PM
Swish... did you read my post earlier that indicated how things work in the NCAA?

BTW DIII gets 3.14% of the entire operating budget, but the schools and conferences only contribute pennies on the dollar in comparison to where most of the entire operating budget of the NCAA comes from. Also, 75% of Division III's operating budget is spent on all of it's championships. We aren't that far removed from when the division has a $1mil budget shortfall because of championship spending and the projections were even worse. The Division has taken efforts to solve some of those shortfalls including more than doubling the dues for schools and conferences, but there is only so far $31 million can take the entire Division.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 08, 2017, 12:19:45 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 08, 2017, 12:04:32 PM
Swish... did you read my post earlier that indicated how things work in the NCAA?

BTW DIII gets 3.14% of the entire operating budget,

3.18%! Our pie is ever so slightly larger than 3.14. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 08, 2017, 01:40:43 PM
Touche. LOL
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on March 08, 2017, 03:05:42 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 08, 2017, 12:04:32 PM
Swish... did you read my post earlier that indicated how things work in the NCAA?

BTW DIII gets 3.14% of the entire operating budget, but the schools and conferences only contribute pennies on the dollar in comparison to where most of the entire operating budget of the NCAA comes from. Also, 75% of Division III's operating budget is spent on all of it's championships. We aren't that far removed from when the division has a $1mil budget shortfall because of championship spending and the projections were even worse. The Division has taken efforts to solve some of those shortfalls including more than doubling the dues for schools and conferences, but there is only so far $31 million can take the entire Division.

I'm sure I did, but my emotion was probably getting in the way...does anyone that works for the NCAA have the ability/power to make decisions?  Are the Presidents of the colleges/universities the ones that speak on behalf of their institutions?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 08, 2017, 03:22:38 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on March 08, 2017, 03:05:42 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 08, 2017, 12:04:32 PM
Swish... did you read my post earlier that indicated how things work in the NCAA?

BTW DIII gets 3.14% of the entire operating budget, but the schools and conferences only contribute pennies on the dollar in comparison to where most of the entire operating budget of the NCAA comes from. Also, 75% of Division III's operating budget is spent on all of it's championships. We aren't that far removed from when the division has a $1mil budget shortfall because of championship spending and the projections were even worse. The Division has taken efforts to solve some of those shortfalls including more than doubling the dues for schools and conferences, but there is only so far $31 million can take the entire Division.

I'm sure I did, but my emotion was probably getting in the way...does anyone that works for the NCAA have the ability/power to make decisions?  Are the Presidents of the colleges/universities the ones that speak on behalf of their institutions?

No and yes, pretty much.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 08, 2017, 03:44:33 PM
The NCAA is run by the Presidents of the schools. The NCAA does what the member institutions and conferences want to do. The NCAA Convention is like Congress only in the sense that bills have come up through committee, recommended or not, voted on, passed, or shot down. The NCAA is then tasked with carrying out those rules and making sure everyone follows them. Sure, they may guide the schools and give them recommendations, but all the committees including all the sporting committees, Management Council, President's Council, etc. do not have an NCAA officer on them. They are all member institutions.

In fact, it is run much like the NFL, MLB, NHL, and others are run - the owners of those organizations make the rules in concert with the players and the commissioner(s) is hired and does what the owners request/approve.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on March 08, 2017, 04:53:11 PM
I did some research. There are only 2 teams in the Sweet 16 that are within 500 miles of CNU. So even if CNU were to host and the brackets lined up perfectly, someone would still have had to fly.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 08, 2017, 05:11:48 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on March 08, 2017, 04:53:11 PM
I did some research. There are only 2 teams in the Sweet 16 that are within 500 miles of CNU. So even if CNU were to host and the brackets lined up perfectly, someone would still have had to fly.

This year was not a good one for the South and Mid-Atlantic regions.  Usually there's more to choose from, but with so many NE teams, most of the time it would end up with everyone driving to NJ.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 08, 2017, 07:11:11 PM
ODAC being down was the biggest killer... just wasn't in the cards this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Goose_13 on March 09, 2017, 08:25:47 AM
Sooooo, what did I miss!? LOL Hadn't checked the boards out in a few days and I head over to them this morning and had to go back almost three pages from where I last stopped! Must say that was the most fired up I've seen this board in quite a while. Both sides had valid arguments, not saying who is right or who is wrong, tho I am sure my CNU faithful will be upset I'm not taking their side on the matter. However, I worked in sports information for more than 10 years, got the opportunity to meet Pat many times and I definitely can say I learned a lot about what the parameters of D3 entails. A lot of you who have been on these boards for more than a decade will know I have certainly voiced my displeasure many times! Nice to see the passionate fans out voicing their opinions on things but it's also nice to see the flip side of the argument. Anyway, I digress! Yeah I am bummed the Captains couldn't host either weekend, I  had a feeling the first weekend they didn't have a chance with how well the women did this year, even before I looked at the bracket. Once I did, I knew it was going to be a repeat of last year in that they would have to be on the road all the way to the semis. For the women, first weekend was a definite. Had they not lost those late conference games, things might have been different (can't say for certain as I have not done the research), and they "might" have been able to host the second weekend. Assuming CNU gets by Keene St., they will definitely have their hands full with Babson. I do have a question for Pat, Dave, and/or Ryan. I thought I read some where that Babson's gym only seats 750. How does that fit the criteria for hosting? I am not asking rudely, my tone is normal! LOL I am just curious with their gym so small, was this factored in at all? Again, I don't remember the exact criteria, I am more along the curious line! Thanks all!!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ronk on March 09, 2017, 09:11:57 AM
Quote from: Goose_13 on March 09, 2017, 08:25:47 AM
Sooooo, what did I miss!? LOL Hadn't checked the boards out in a few days and I head over to them this morning and had to go back almost three pages from where I last stopped! Must say that was the most fired up I've seen this board in quite a while. Both sides had valid arguments, not saying who is right or who is wrong, tho I am sure my CNU faithful will be upset I'm not taking their side on the matter. However, I worked in sports information for more than 10 years, got the opportunity to meet Pat many times and I definitely can say I learned a lot about what the parameters of D3 entails. A lot of you who have been on these boards for more than a decade will know I have certainly voiced my displeasure many times! Nice to see the passionate fans out voicing their opinions on things but it's also nice to see the flip side of the argument. Anyway, I digress! Yeah I am bummed the Captains couldn't host either weekend, I  had a feeling the first weekend they didn't have a chance with how well the women did this year, even before I looked at the bracket. Once I did, I knew it was going to be a repeat of last year in that they would have to be on the road all the way to the semis. For the women, first weekend was a definite. Had they not lost those late conference games, things might have been different (can't say for certain as I have not done the research), and they "might" have been able to host the second weekend. Assuming CNU gets by Keene St., they will definitely have their hands full with Babson. I do have a question for Pat, Dave, and/or Ryan. I thought I read some where that Babson's gym only seats 750. How does that fit the criteria for hosting? I am not asking rudely, my tone is normal! LOL I am just curious with their gym so small, was this factored in at all? Again, I don't remember the exact criteria, I am more along the curious line! Thanks all!!

Requirement for sectional hosting is 1000 seats, at least, so they wouldn't qualify on that basis.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: warriorcat on March 09, 2017, 12:01:42 PM
In the Babson pod, they are emptying out the gym after the first game.  There is a separate ticket to the second.  Perhaps this is how they have gotten around the seating requirement.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 09, 2017, 01:00:49 PM
Babson actually seats 1000-1200... they are fine to host numbers wise and have hosted in the past (two years ago). Their only concern is making sure the fire marshall doesn't shut them down (too many people allowed in).

They will go with a split session as will Marietta (5 & 8 pm game times in Ohio!). The NCAA has tried to allow more teams who couldn't host in the past to host because it is Division III and saying no to someone with a 1000 seat gym seams a bit harsh. It isn't like they can just go out and build a new gymnasium. There is a line... Albertus Magnus may be able to get away with hosting the opening weekend, but is out of the second. Wesley can't even host the opening weekend unless they find a new gym. But in this case, Babson is perfectly fine in the eyes of the NCAA.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ronk on March 09, 2017, 01:53:43 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 09, 2017, 01:00:49 PM
Babson actually seats 1000-1200... they are fine to host numbers wise and have hosted in the past (two years ago). Their only concern is making sure the fire marshall doesn't shut them down (too many people allowed in).

They will go with a split session as will Marietta (5 & 8 pm game times in Ohio!). The NCAA has tried to allow more teams who couldn't host in the past to host because it is Division III and saying no to someone with a 1000 seat gym seams a bit harsh. It isn't like they can just go out and build a new gymnasium. There is a line... Albertus Magnus may be able to get away with hosting the opening weekend, but is out of the second. Wesley can't even host the opening weekend unless they find a new gym. But in this case, Babson is perfectly fine in the eyes of the NCAA.

Then they ought to get rid of it as a requirement to host a sectional. And Babson's seating capacity shouldn't be listed as 750.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Smitty Oom on March 09, 2017, 03:12:53 PM
http://www.babsonathletics.com/information/facilities/webstercenter#staake (http://www.babsonathletics.com/information/facilities/webstercenter#staake)

I've never been there but it says the bleacher capacity is only 650. And from watching multiple online games I can tell you that there are only bleachers on one side of the court, but there is additional viewing room on what appears to be a track above that people watch from, and this is probably where the additional 350 come from.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 09, 2017, 05:10:07 PM
Quote from: Smitty Oom on March 09, 2017, 03:12:53 PM
http://www.babsonathletics.com/information/facilities/webstercenter#staake (http://www.babsonathletics.com/information/facilities/webstercenter#staake)

I've never been there but it says the bleacher capacity is only 650. And from watching multiple online games I can tell you that there are only bleachers on one side of the court, but there is additional viewing room on what appears to be a track above that people watch from, and this is probably where the additional 350 come from.

I'm pretty sure they have extra capacity seating they can bring in for games like this.  If I recall, we had the same discussion two years ago.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 09, 2017, 06:48:41 PM
We did have the same conversation two years ago... the NCAA has been fine with it... not sure why we keep rehashing it.

And ronk, they won't get rid of it as a requirement because they want at least enough seats for fans to do go to see the game. If you have too few, then what is the point. Also, there is revenue at the gate to keep in mind.

FYI - they brought in extra bleachers (as many schools do) two years ago... anyone want to bet if they bring in those bleachers again this time?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on March 10, 2017, 06:05:53 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 09, 2017, 06:48:41 PM
We did have the same conversation two years ago... the NCAA has been fine with it... not sure why we keep rehashing it.

And ronk, they won't get rid of it as a requirement because they want at least enough seats for fans to do go to see the game. If you have too few, then what is the point. Also, there is revenue at the gate to keep in mind.

FYI - they brought in extra bleachers (as many schools do) two years ago... anyone want to bet if they bring in those bleachers again this time?

Just because it is being mentioned doesn't mean it is being rehashed. I find the topic interesting. I was not part of the "rehash" from two years ago. And I'm sure many folks reading this thread are also new to the conversation. Always keep in mind your audience. Im sorry you feel like this is old news and it annoys you to "rehash". For some, like myself, I've never heard this conversation. And I'm sure in a few years if it happens again, there will be someone totally unaware of this conversation and you might have to "rehash" some more. Just a part of the job.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on March 10, 2017, 08:07:39 AM
GAME DAY!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Goose13 on March 10, 2017, 09:01:45 PM
I totally forgot about the mens game until 730 tonight and checked the score. Tough one from what it looks like. My CNU faithful, I look forward to reading what your thoughts were on the game. Congrats to the women for advancing to t the Elite 8.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: AllStar on March 10, 2017, 09:05:57 PM
As a follower of the Little East/Keene, I just wanted to say Christopher Newport is just a tremendous team and I'm sure they'll make many more tournament runs in the future!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on March 11, 2017, 02:20:27 PM
Quote from: AllStar on March 10, 2017, 09:05:57 PM
As a follower of the Little East/Keene, I just wanted to say Christopher Newport is just a tremendous team and I'm sure they'll make many more tournament runs in the future!

Thanks....I think the future is just as bright. It will be an adjustment next year not to see #44, #5, #40 and #11 on the court. But we still have 2 1,000 point players returning in Carter (#3) and Mcfarland (#4). And some really good Freshmen who saw significant playing time this year.... #31, #22, #52 as well as #1, #35 and #33......a good group to add to the rising seniors. Also Femi (#10) was only a sophomore......Hopefully #20 Miller will be back on the court after an injury this season. Every one on that roster is capable of being an impact player next year, even the ones I didn't mention specifically.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on March 20, 2017, 08:53:51 AM
Congrats to Tim Daly...NABC All-American!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 06, 2017, 04:56:25 PM
The next wave of this is coming. Is it 2005-06-07 all over again?
http://www.d3sports.com/notables/2017/06/new-conference-shuffle-coming
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on June 27, 2017, 02:13:36 PM
THis news could very well mean the CAC dodge's another bullet. With Southern Virginia not headed to the ODAC, it may mean SVU and York remain keeping the CAC strong: http://www.d3sports.com/notables/2017/06/odac-expands-to-add-ferrum.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on June 29, 2017, 09:28:18 AM
I hope you are correct, d-mac......Conference shuffling isn't fun. CNU has only "shuffled" once, but that is enough for me. But then again, I miss the days of the Cincinnati Reds being in the NL West.
;D ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on June 29, 2017, 01:54:39 PM
Well it isn't over to be sure. This entire new conference is going to force some serious decisions for a lot of people. That doesn't mean York isn't finally done with the CAC relationship despite years of loyalty and looks for a little more even playing field. That doesn't mean SVA isn't looking for something closer to home (i.e. the USA South - that is just me guessing; haven't heard a thing). It also doesn't mean others are fed up and decide to see if there are better pastures to graze in.

A lot of moving pieces... and the new conference hasn't, surprisingly, even formed as of yet.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on July 03, 2017, 01:14:36 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on June 29, 2017, 01:54:39 PM
Well it isn't over to be sure. This entire new conference is going to force some serious decisions for a lot of people. That doesn't mean York isn't finally done with the CAC relationship despite years of loyalty and looks for a little more even playing field. That doesn't mean SVA isn't looking for something closer to home (i.e. the USA South - that is just me guessing; haven't heard a thing). It also doesn't mean others are fed up and decide to see if there are better pastures to graze in.

A lot of moving pieces... and the new conference hasn't, surprisingly, even formed as of yet.

I've always wondered if the CAC would try to find a few more football schools. Or convince a current member or two to start football.  I don't think the NJAC for football is along term solution. But. like you said...that's just me!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on July 14, 2017, 01:34:30 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on July 03, 2017, 01:14:36 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on June 29, 2017, 01:54:39 PM
Well it isn't over to be sure. This entire new conference is going to force some serious decisions for a lot of people. That doesn't mean York isn't finally done with the CAC relationship despite years of loyalty and looks for a little more even playing field. That doesn't mean SVA isn't looking for something closer to home (i.e. the USA South - that is just me guessing; haven't heard a thing). It also doesn't mean others are fed up and decide to see if there are better pastures to graze in.

A lot of moving pieces... and the new conference hasn't, surprisingly, even formed as of yet.

I've always wondered if the CAC would try to find a few more football schools. Or convince a current member or two to start football.  I don't think the NJAC for football is along term solution. But. like you said...that's just me!

In my opinion, they made a move towards football with the addition of Southern Virginia... but then it went sideways. From what I have gathered, there is no attempt to add football in the near future. Far too complicated.

As for adding schools... who do you think they could add? There really aren't any options in this region left. That is the entire reason that if SV left and York was also compelled to leave... the CAC would be in serious jeopardy (and still may be) of dissolving.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on August 02, 2017, 11:38:48 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on July 14, 2017, 01:34:30 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on July 03, 2017, 01:14:36 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on June 29, 2017, 01:54:39 PM
Well it isn't over to be sure. This entire new conference is going to force some serious decisions for a lot of people. That doesn't mean York isn't finally done with the CAC relationship despite years of loyalty and looks for a little more even playing field. That doesn't mean SVA isn't looking for something closer to home (i.e. the USA South - that is just me guessing; haven't heard a thing). It also doesn't mean others are fed up and decide to see if there are better pastures to graze in.

A lot of moving pieces... and the new conference hasn't, surprisingly, even formed as of yet.

I've always wondered if the CAC would try to find a few more football schools. Or convince a current member or two to start football.  I don't think the NJAC for football is along term solution. But. like you said...that's just me!

In my opinion, they made a move towards football with the addition of Southern Virginia... but then it went sideways. From what I have gathered, there is no attempt to add football in the near future. Far too complicated.

As for adding schools... who do you think they could add? There really aren't any options in this region left. That is the entire reason that if SV left and York was also compelled to leave... the CAC would be in serious jeopardy (and still may be) of dissolving.

Good points. And you are in the know more so than I am.  I really don't like all of the conference shuffling every year. But I'm old school. I think I said in an earlier post that I still miss the days of the Cincinnati Reds being in the same division as the LA Dodgers. The NL West
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ronk on August 02, 2017, 08:31:46 PM
Old school would be the Reds in the same league as the Brooklyn Dodgers(no divisions). ::)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on August 02, 2017, 09:00:45 PM
I'd argue, we don't really have conference shuffling every year. Outside of a school here or there moving, the last time we had a major announcement was the Landmark creation over ten years ago. Yes, schools have moved but "significant" moves have happened every four or so years for the most part.

I was talking more about the region, the CAC, etc. today with a couple of SIDs in the area (as we all worked a separate event)... we didn't have any solutions, but it was fun to try and figure out where the chess pieces are to move. Rumors of TCNJ and Rowan being interested in leaving the NJAC (maybe the CAC could then grab them) continue to get thrown at me, but not sure that's going to happen - Rowan has been long thought to be moving to DII, but that has stalled. The speculation I have heard of Frostburg being pushed to DII got a bit more interesting today, but also not sure it will happen.

The long and short of it was this... if the CAC loses SV or York for obvious reasons... I am really not sure the CAC can save itself. Sad to be sure, but it would take another massive conference shuffle for the CAC to either save itself... or its members to save themselves.

(I also thought today that those listening to the three of us must have been completely confused especially at the level of detail we discussed this and other topics in DIII. LOL)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on August 03, 2017, 11:52:05 AM
Quote from: ronk on August 02, 2017, 08:31:46 PM
Old school would be the Reds in the same league as the Brooklyn Dodgers(no divisions). ::)

Or when they were the Redstockings or Redlegs?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ronk on August 05, 2017, 01:29:07 AM
 Hood announces a seemingly strong class: http://www.hoodathletics.com/sports/mbkb/2017-18/releases/20170718kpm119
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on August 07, 2017, 08:27:46 AM
Being somewhat familiar w/the Wang twins, I'm surprised they ended up at Hood...there had to have been a lot more D3 schools w/much better programs interested in them.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on August 07, 2017, 08:45:03 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on August 07, 2017, 08:27:46 AM
Being somewhat familiar w/the Wang twins, I'm surprised they ended up at Hood...there had to have been a lot more D3 schools w/much better programs interested in them.

He's a great recruiter with some real ambition for the program.  I imagine they were sold a pretty nice vision of the future.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on August 07, 2017, 10:52:00 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on August 07, 2017, 08:45:03 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on August 07, 2017, 08:27:46 AM
Being somewhat familiar w/the Wang twins, I'm surprised they ended up at Hood...there had to have been a lot more D3 schools w/much better programs interested in them.

He's a great recruiter with some real ambition for the program.  I imagine they were sold a pretty nice vision of the future.

He must be...those kids will likely be stars at Hood.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ronk on August 07, 2017, 11:43:36 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on August 07, 2017, 10:52:00 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on August 07, 2017, 08:45:03 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on August 07, 2017, 08:27:46 AM
Being somewhat familiar w/the Wang twins, I'm surprised they ended up at Hood...there had to have been a lot more D3 schools w/much better programs interested in them.

He's a great recruiter with some real ambition for the program.  I imagine they were sold a pretty nice vision of the future.

And I was thinking more of the 2 from good programs @ Wise and Mount Carmel.

He must be...those kids will likely be stars at Hood.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on October 02, 2017, 03:35:38 PM
CNU's first game is at R-MC...that will be a tough one!  The Captains still have some good players, but they lost a lot, and the Jackets really came around after a rough start.  I don't know that Marcus Carter will be available at the beginning of the season, which will hurt...need a big year from him and McFarland!

GO CAPS!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: jesskleangda on October 16, 2017, 12:56:38 PM
Is Carter injured?  Why wouldn't he be available?  That could be significant. 

Couldn't be more excited for the 2017-2018 CAC season.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on October 17, 2017, 09:08:04 AM
Yeah, I believe he had surgery for some sort of lower leg issue...not sure if it was a knee, ankle or something else...w/the season approaching, I'll try to get an update.

You're a UMW fan, right?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: jesskleangda on October 17, 2017, 07:57:21 PM
GO EAGLES!  Yes I am. 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Goose_13 on October 19, 2017, 03:39:41 PM
Holy crap!! Ferrum is going to the ODAC and Southern Virignia is (is that confirmed?) leaving the NJAC!? What rock have I been hiding under for the past 4 to 6 months!?! I even had lunch with a couple of my old cronies from CNU last week and they didn't even say anything about all of this. I'd hate to see the CAC go away, especially with it's longstanding tradition. I thought the move to the CAC was a must for CNU. Now it could be all for not. Can we speculate on the possibility of the CAC dissolving for a second. Where in the world would CNU end up?! I can't even wrap my head around it. The Ferrum move to the ODAC seems like a no brainer. Cuts down on some of those long trips to Georgia for sure, plus it's a private school in a conference filled with private schools, so I get that. Southern Virginia I can understand too, especially from a football standpoint and the travel. I'm not exactly in the know here, but in my experience, I didn't think SVA had a lot of money to be able to spend on travel as extensive as the NJAC can be, so is this a cost saving move? Definitely can see that. Whew that was a lot to catch up on in a matter of minutes. Love to hear anyone else's take on this or expanded take from what I've had a chance to read. Hope everyone is doing well!!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 19, 2017, 04:00:59 PM
Quote from: Goose_13 on October 19, 2017, 03:39:41 PM
Holy crap!! Ferrum is going to the ODAC and Southern Virignia is (is that confirmed?) leaving the NJAC!? What rock have I been hiding under for the past 4 to 6 months!?! I even had lunch with a couple of my old cronies from CNU last week and they didn't even say anything about all of this. I'd hate to see the CAC go away, especially with it's longstanding tradition. I thought the move to the CAC was a must for CNU. Now it could be all for not. Can we speculate on the possibility of the CAC dissolving for a second. Where in the world would CNU end up?! I can't even wrap my head around it. The Ferrum move to the ODAC seems like a no brainer. Cuts down on some of those long trips to Georgia for sure, plus it's a private school in a conference filled with private schools, so I get that. Southern Virginia I can understand too, especially from a football standpoint and the travel. I'm not exactly in the know here, but in my experience, I didn't think SVA had a lot of money to be able to spend on travel as extensive as the NJAC can be, so is this a cost saving move? Definitely can see that. Whew that was a lot to catch up on in a matter of minutes. Love to hear anyone else's take on this or expanded take from what I've had a chance to read. Hope everyone is doing well!!

The real question is how much have you actually missed... because there is more.

To start with what you got, yes Ferrum is going to the ODAC in all sports. However, Southern Virginia is leaving the NJAC in just football. They will remain in the CAC for all other sports (as they are now).

Now for what I am not sure if you know about or not: Marymount and Wesley are leaving the CAC and the end of this academic year for a yet-to-be-named conference. You can read more about that here, especially since no one has announced it officially (SMH): http://www.d3sports.com/notables/2017/06/new-conference-shuffle-coming
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on October 23, 2017, 08:40:35 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 19, 2017, 04:00:59 PM
Quote from: Goose_13 on October 19, 2017, 03:39:41 PM
Holy crap!! Ferrum is going to the ODAC and Southern Virignia is (is that confirmed?) leaving the NJAC!? What rock have I been hiding under for the past 4 to 6 months!?! I even had lunch with a couple of my old cronies from CNU last week and they didn't even say anything about all of this. I'd hate to see the CAC go away, especially with it's longstanding tradition. I thought the move to the CAC was a must for CNU. Now it could be all for not. Can we speculate on the possibility of the CAC dissolving for a second. Where in the world would CNU end up?! I can't even wrap my head around it. The Ferrum move to the ODAC seems like a no brainer. Cuts down on some of those long trips to Georgia for sure, plus it's a private school in a conference filled with private schools, so I get that. Southern Virginia I can understand too, especially from a football standpoint and the travel. I'm not exactly in the know here, but in my experience, I didn't think SVA had a lot of money to be able to spend on travel as extensive as the NJAC can be, so is this a cost saving move? Definitely can see that. Whew that was a lot to catch up on in a matter of minutes. Love to hear anyone else's take on this or expanded take from what I've had a chance to read. Hope everyone is doing well!!

The real question is how much have you actually missed... because there is more.

To start with what you got, yes Ferrum is going to the ODAC in all sports. However, Southern Virginia is leaving the NJAC in just football. They will remain in the CAC for all other sports (as they are now).

Now for what I am not sure if you know about or not: Marymount and Wesley are leaving the CAC and the end of this academic year for a yet-to-be-named conference. You can read more about that here, especially since no one has announced it officially (SMH): http://www.d3sports.com/notables/2017/06/new-conference-shuffle-coming

Strictly from an athletic point of view, the only thing myself and the CAC will really miss out on is the strength of Marymount's women's basketball program....
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 23, 2017, 04:26:20 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on October 23, 2017, 08:40:35 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 19, 2017, 04:00:59 PM
Quote from: Goose_13 on October 19, 2017, 03:39:41 PM
Holy crap!! Ferrum is going to the ODAC and Southern Virignia is (is that confirmed?) leaving the NJAC!? What rock have I been hiding under for the past 4 to 6 months!?! I even had lunch with a couple of my old cronies from CNU last week and they didn't even say anything about all of this. I'd hate to see the CAC go away, especially with it's longstanding tradition. I thought the move to the CAC was a must for CNU. Now it could be all for not. Can we speculate on the possibility of the CAC dissolving for a second. Where in the world would CNU end up?! I can't even wrap my head around it. The Ferrum move to the ODAC seems like a no brainer. Cuts down on some of those long trips to Georgia for sure, plus it's a private school in a conference filled with private schools, so I get that. Southern Virginia I can understand too, especially from a football standpoint and the travel. I'm not exactly in the know here, but in my experience, I didn't think SVA had a lot of money to be able to spend on travel as extensive as the NJAC can be, so is this a cost saving move? Definitely can see that. Whew that was a lot to catch up on in a matter of minutes. Love to hear anyone else's take on this or expanded take from what I've had a chance to read. Hope everyone is doing well!!

The real question is how much have you actually missed... because there is more.

To start with what you got, yes Ferrum is going to the ODAC in all sports. However, Southern Virginia is leaving the NJAC in just football. They will remain in the CAC for all other sports (as they are now).

Now for what I am not sure if you know about or not: Marymount and Wesley are leaving the CAC and the end of this academic year for a yet-to-be-named conference. You can read more about that here, especially since no one has announced it officially (SMH): http://www.d3sports.com/notables/2017/06/new-conference-shuffle-coming

Strictly from an athletic point of view, the only thing myself and the CAC will really miss out on is the strength of Marymount's women's basketball program....

Wesley's men have been respectable in the CAC for awhile. Yes, not as strong in the last year or two... but that doesn't mean it wasn't returning. However, I do see your point.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on October 23, 2017, 04:52:46 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 23, 2017, 04:26:20 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on October 23, 2017, 08:40:35 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 19, 2017, 04:00:59 PM
Quote from: Goose_13 on October 19, 2017, 03:39:41 PM
Holy crap!! Ferrum is going to the ODAC and Southern Virignia is (is that confirmed?) leaving the NJAC!? What rock have I been hiding under for the past 4 to 6 months!?! I even had lunch with a couple of my old cronies from CNU last week and they didn't even say anything about all of this. I'd hate to see the CAC go away, especially with it's longstanding tradition. I thought the move to the CAC was a must for CNU. Now it could be all for not. Can we speculate on the possibility of the CAC dissolving for a second. Where in the world would CNU end up?! I can't even wrap my head around it. The Ferrum move to the ODAC seems like a no brainer. Cuts down on some of those long trips to Georgia for sure, plus it's a private school in a conference filled with private schools, so I get that. Southern Virginia I can understand too, especially from a football standpoint and the travel. I'm not exactly in the know here, but in my experience, I didn't think SVA had a lot of money to be able to spend on travel as extensive as the NJAC can be, so is this a cost saving move? Definitely can see that. Whew that was a lot to catch up on in a matter of minutes. Love to hear anyone else's take on this or expanded take from what I've had a chance to read. Hope everyone is doing well!!

The real question is how much have you actually missed... because there is more.

To start with what you got, yes Ferrum is going to the ODAC in all sports. However, Southern Virginia is leaving the NJAC in just football. They will remain in the CAC for all other sports (as they are now).

Now for what I am not sure if you know about or not: Marymount and Wesley are leaving the CAC and the end of this academic year for a yet-to-be-named conference. You can read more about that here, especially since no one has announced it officially (SMH): http://www.d3sports.com/notables/2017/06/new-conference-shuffle-coming

Strictly from an athletic point of view, the only thing myself and the CAC will really miss out on is the strength of Marymount's women's basketball program....

Wesley's men have been respectable in the CAC for awhile. Yes, not as strong in the last year or two... but that doesn't mean it wasn't returning. However, I do see your point.

...and, just to be clear, I was considering all sports.  Off the top of my head, I'd say both overall athletic programs are probably below average to average in the CAC.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 23, 2017, 05:14:56 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on October 23, 2017, 04:52:46 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 23, 2017, 04:26:20 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on October 23, 2017, 08:40:35 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 19, 2017, 04:00:59 PM
Quote from: Goose_13 on October 19, 2017, 03:39:41 PM
Holy crap!! Ferrum is going to the ODAC and Southern Virignia is (is that confirmed?) leaving the NJAC!? What rock have I been hiding under for the past 4 to 6 months!?! I even had lunch with a couple of my old cronies from CNU last week and they didn't even say anything about all of this. I'd hate to see the CAC go away, especially with it's longstanding tradition. I thought the move to the CAC was a must for CNU. Now it could be all for not. Can we speculate on the possibility of the CAC dissolving for a second. Where in the world would CNU end up?! I can't even wrap my head around it. The Ferrum move to the ODAC seems like a no brainer. Cuts down on some of those long trips to Georgia for sure, plus it's a private school in a conference filled with private schools, so I get that. Southern Virginia I can understand too, especially from a football standpoint and the travel. I'm not exactly in the know here, but in my experience, I didn't think SVA had a lot of money to be able to spend on travel as extensive as the NJAC can be, so is this a cost saving move? Definitely can see that. Whew that was a lot to catch up on in a matter of minutes. Love to hear anyone else's take on this or expanded take from what I've had a chance to read. Hope everyone is doing well!!

The real question is how much have you actually missed... because there is more.

To start with what you got, yes Ferrum is going to the ODAC in all sports. However, Southern Virginia is leaving the NJAC in just football. They will remain in the CAC for all other sports (as they are now).

Now for what I am not sure if you know about or not: Marymount and Wesley are leaving the CAC and the end of this academic year for a yet-to-be-named conference. You can read more about that here, especially since no one has announced it officially (SMH): http://www.d3sports.com/notables/2017/06/new-conference-shuffle-coming

Strictly from an athletic point of view, the only thing myself and the CAC will really miss out on is the strength of Marymount's women's basketball program....

Wesley's men have been respectable in the CAC for awhile. Yes, not as strong in the last year or two... but that doesn't mean it wasn't returning. However, I do see your point.

...and, just to be clear, I was considering all sports.  Off the top of my head, I'd say both overall athletic programs are probably below average to average in the CAC.

I suspect if you ask them, and others, much of the reason is they are private schools trying to compete with public schools. I don't always put stock in those things, but sometimes there is merit to the struggle. In this case, I am not sure. I do know that this isn't the first time the public schools situation and the unbalance in the CAC has been a point of contention.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on October 24, 2017, 08:17:27 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 23, 2017, 05:14:56 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on October 23, 2017, 04:52:46 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 23, 2017, 04:26:20 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on October 23, 2017, 08:40:35 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 19, 2017, 04:00:59 PM
Quote from: Goose_13 on October 19, 2017, 03:39:41 PM
Holy crap!! Ferrum is going to the ODAC and Southern Virignia is (is that confirmed?) leaving the NJAC!? What rock have I been hiding under for the past 4 to 6 months!?! I even had lunch with a couple of my old cronies from CNU last week and they didn't even say anything about all of this. I'd hate to see the CAC go away, especially with it's longstanding tradition. I thought the move to the CAC was a must for CNU. Now it could be all for not. Can we speculate on the possibility of the CAC dissolving for a second. Where in the world would CNU end up?! I can't even wrap my head around it. The Ferrum move to the ODAC seems like a no brainer. Cuts down on some of those long trips to Georgia for sure, plus it's a private school in a conference filled with private schools, so I get that. Southern Virginia I can understand too, especially from a football standpoint and the travel. I'm not exactly in the know here, but in my experience, I didn't think SVA had a lot of money to be able to spend on travel as extensive as the NJAC can be, so is this a cost saving move? Definitely can see that. Whew that was a lot to catch up on in a matter of minutes. Love to hear anyone else's take on this or expanded take from what I've had a chance to read. Hope everyone is doing well!!

The real question is how much have you actually missed... because there is more.

To start with what you got, yes Ferrum is going to the ODAC in all sports. However, Southern Virginia is leaving the NJAC in just football. They will remain in the CAC for all other sports (as they are now).

Now for what I am not sure if you know about or not: Marymount and Wesley are leaving the CAC and the end of this academic year for a yet-to-be-named conference. You can read more about that here, especially since no one has announced it officially (SMH): http://www.d3sports.com/notables/2017/06/new-conference-shuffle-coming

Strictly from an athletic point of view, the only thing myself and the CAC will really miss out on is the strength of Marymount's women's basketball program....

Wesley's men have been respectable in the CAC for awhile. Yes, not as strong in the last year or two... but that doesn't mean it wasn't returning. However, I do see your point.

...and, just to be clear, I was considering all sports.  Off the top of my head, I'd say both overall athletic programs are probably below average to average in the CAC.

I suspect if you ask them, and others, much of the reason is they are private schools trying to compete with public schools. I don't always put stock in those things, but sometimes there is merit to the struggle. In this case, I am not sure. I do know that this isn't the first time the public schools situation and the unbalance in the CAC has been a point of contention.

Well put, and I totally agree....
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Goose_13 on October 27, 2017, 01:53:47 PM
I may have misread the posts so take don't take too much offense to this! LOL But wasn't Private vs. Public a HUGE point of contention when CNU was in the Dixie/USA South? I know I remember "hearing" rumblings of this quite a bit during my tenure at CNU, as they were the only public school in the conference. I though the move to the CAC would definitely be more beneficial in many ways, with this being one of them, as they would be moving to a conference with more public schools. Obviously that has changed in the years since. Here's my question, have any of you guys (i.e. Pat, Dave, etc) heard any more rumblings on the conference changes front since that article was posted. I only ask out curiosity, as I don't have any "ties" to any of the teams other than being an alum and fan. I still can't over the possibility of the amount of changes that are/could be coming. Don't get me wrong, I like hearing about these things off the top, more so when it doesn't necessarily have any impact on my favorite team. I still would love to know where CNU could end up if the CAC dissolves. We know they aren't going back to the USA South, nor will they go to the ODAC. Can't go south or west, only option is north as I see in my lack of knowledge vision on this. Could it be one of the MAC conferences, Centennial, Landmark? To me those are the most logical and could provide a competitive balance, of course football could be an issue. Or do they go as far as recruit some schools and make their own conference. I am spitballing here guys and rambling I know. I am still trying to wrap my brain around all this! Thanks for listening, or in this case, reading, my rant!!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 27, 2017, 02:37:26 PM
Quote from: Goose_13 on October 27, 2017, 01:53:47 PM
I may have misread the posts so take don't take too much offense to this! LOL But wasn't Private vs. Public a HUGE point of contention when CNU was in the Dixie/USA South? I know I remember "hearing" rumblings of this quite a bit during my tenure at CNU, as they were the only public school in the conference. I though the move to the CAC would definitely be more beneficial in many ways, with this being one of them, as they would be moving to a conference with more public schools. Obviously that has changed in the years since. Here's my question, have any of you guys (i.e. Pat, Dave, etc) heard any more rumblings on the conference changes front since that article was posted. I only ask out curiosity, as I don't have any "ties" to any of the teams other than being an alum and fan. I still can't over the possibility of the amount of changes that are/could be coming. Don't get me wrong, I like hearing about these things off the top, more so when it doesn't necessarily have any impact on my favorite team. I still would love to know where CNU could end up if the CAC dissolves. We know they aren't going back to the USA South, nor will they go to the ODAC. Can't go south or west, only option is north as I see in my lack of knowledge vision on this. Could it be one of the MAC conferences, Centennial, Landmark? To me those are the most logical and could provide a competitive balance, of course football could be an issue. Or do they go as far as recruit some schools and make their own conference. I am spitballing here guys and rambling I know. I am still trying to wrap my brain around all this! Thanks for listening, or in this case, reading, my rant!!

Private v Public is a constant debate and topic of conversation whenever conferences are discussed. Comes up every time I talk to anyone about it. It is just ingrained. There are fallacies and legitimate challenges to the relationships. I also think there is some unfounded theories and fears from both sides depending on the situation. My favorite is when a school says they have a recruiting disadvantage to a public school and feel moving conferences changes that. Last I checked, the schools aren't physically moving themselves, thus the locations of schools and the recruiting challenges remain.

Not following exactly what you are asking when it comes to conference changes and the article we posted in June. While there hasn't been anything official from that new conference, that move is coming. The CSAC released a statement over the summer detailing their moves moving forward once five of their institutions leave the nest. Why the new conference hasn't said anything official is unknown. I do think we may have snuffed out their thunder (I was told by several sources they were days away from announcing it when we published). I also was told from a source that one school's president told their school that they were waiting for the NCAA to approve the conference (something that has never stopped an announcement in the past; it is a rubber stamp thing for the most part). I am told they still don't have a name, colors, etc., so I am really not sure why all the delays.

If you are talking about more changes, there are some rumors I am hearing, but I am not at all about to start throwing them around. Southern Virginia was a linchpin for the CAC. If they had gone full-time to the ODAC, it would have caused major problems. I just didn't see York (PA) staying put after that and the CAC would have been left with very few teams. However, SVU is staying put outside of football (which will move from the NJAC to the ODAC). That leaves some stability with the CAC. It remains to be seen what York does, but there is less fear of being left alone in the CAC than there was beforehand.

As far as CNU goes, I think they are fine for now. If the CAC remains intact, they don't have to go anywhere. I would agree that they don't have a lot of options out there. I don't see the MAC working due to distance (Lycoming to CNU would be BRUTAL let alone FDU Florham to CNU). They do not fit with the Centennial nor the Landmark at all. The rest of the conferences outside the ODAC are never going to accept CNU on a competitive basis. ODAC is too large and if they wanted CNU they would have courted them during the process that brought in Ferrum. I am told CNU wasn't even part of that.

There technically is the NJAC, but that would have to change the NJAC so revolutionary wise to bring in CNU that I simply don't see it happening. I mention it only because you mentioned looking "north."

If the CAC dissolves for whatever reason, I suspect what will actually happen is the remnants of the CAC for the most part (not all parties) will probably look to form up with others possibly from the ODAC or elsewhere to create a new conference. However, that is so far off in terms of reality for what is going on now that it isn't worth really discussing or worrying about.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 01, 2017, 03:26:40 PM
2 Exhibition games this week against D1 schools. Should be interesting.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on November 02, 2017, 08:39:55 AM
Quote from: CNU85 on November 01, 2017, 03:26:40 PM
2 Exhibition games this week against D1 schools. Should be interesting.

Yep, first one's tonight at UMES...the Captains tabbed as the 14th best team in D3...not exactly sure what to expect this season, but time will tell.

GO CAPS!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on November 02, 2017, 10:48:56 AM
How many exhibition games is a D3 school allowed to have?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 02, 2017, 12:23:22 PM
Two, if you have 25 regular season games. More if you have less than 25 games, like some of the ASC schools do.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 02, 2017, 01:35:40 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on November 02, 2017, 12:23:22 PM
Two, if you have 25 regular season games. More if you have less than 25 games, like some of the ASC schools do.

To follow up... only two up to and BEFORE Nov. 15... you can have as many as you want afterward, but they count towards a team's 25-game allotment in the regular season.

As Gordon points out, the ASC is using a lot of regular season exhibition games this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on November 03, 2017, 08:11:59 AM
CNU loses at UMES by 3...not bad.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on November 06, 2017, 09:13:39 AM
CNU was embarrassed yesterday at ODU...according to the box score, Ellis, Gibbs and McFarland didn't play, which makes me feel a little bit better.  I also noticed a lot of new names for the Captains...wish they'd update their roster!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Goose_13 on November 06, 2017, 02:19:12 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on November 06, 2017, 09:13:39 AM
CNU was embarrassed yesterday at ODU...according to the box score, Ellis, Gibbs and McFarland didn't play, which makes me feel a little bit better.  I also noticed a lot of new names for the Captains...wish they'd update their roster!

Need to get on those guys in the Athletic Communication Department!! LOL Wouldn't surprise me if they didn't post it until a bit closer to the season opener. IDK why, but a lot of coaches like to keep their rosters close to the vest!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Goose_13 on November 06, 2017, 02:22:39 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 27, 2017, 02:37:26 PM
Quote from: Goose_13 on October 27, 2017, 01:53:47 PM
I may have misread the posts so take don't take too much offense to this! LOL But wasn't Private vs. Public a HUGE point of contention when CNU was in the Dixie/USA South? I know I remember "hearing" rumblings of this quite a bit during my tenure at CNU, as they were the only public school in the conference. I though the move to the CAC would definitely be more beneficial in many ways, with this being one of them, as they would be moving to a conference with more public schools. Obviously that has changed in the years since. Here's my question, have any of you guys (i.e. Pat, Dave, etc) heard any more rumblings on the conference changes front since that article was posted. I only ask out curiosity, as I don't have any "ties" to any of the teams other than being an alum and fan. I still can't over the possibility of the amount of changes that are/could be coming. Don't get me wrong, I like hearing about these things off the top, more so when it doesn't necessarily have any impact on my favorite team. I still would love to know where CNU could end up if the CAC dissolves. We know they aren't going back to the USA South, nor will they go to the ODAC. Can't go south or west, only option is north as I see in my lack of knowledge vision on this. Could it be one of the MAC conferences, Centennial, Landmark? To me those are the most logical and could provide a competitive balance, of course football could be an issue. Or do they go as far as recruit some schools and make their own conference. I am spitballing here guys and rambling I know. I am still trying to wrap my brain around all this! Thanks for listening, or in this case, reading, my rant!!

Private v Public is a constant debate and topic of conversation whenever conferences are discussed. Comes up every time I talk to anyone about it. It is just ingrained. There are fallacies and legitimate challenges to the relationships. I also think there is some unfounded theories and fears from both sides depending on the situation. My favorite is when a school says they have a recruiting disadvantage to a public school and feel moving conferences changes that. Last I checked, the schools aren't physically moving themselves, thus the locations of schools and the recruiting challenges remain.

Not following exactly what you are asking when it comes to conference changes and the article we posted in June. While there hasn't been anything official from that new conference, that move is coming. The CSAC released a statement over the summer detailing their moves moving forward once five of their institutions leave the nest. Why the new conference hasn't said anything official is unknown. I do think we may have snuffed out their thunder (I was told by several sources they were days away from announcing it when we published). I also was told from a source that one school's president told their school that they were waiting for the NCAA to approve the conference (something that has never stopped an announcement in the past; it is a rubber stamp thing for the most part). I am told they still don't have a name, colors, etc., so I am really not sure why all the delays.

If you are talking about more changes, there are some rumors I am hearing, but I am not at all about to start throwing them around. Southern Virginia was a linchpin for the CAC. If they had gone full-time to the ODAC, it would have caused major problems. I just didn't see York (PA) staying put after that and the CAC would have been left with very few teams. However, SVU is staying put outside of football (which will move from the NJAC to the ODAC). That leaves some stability with the CAC. It remains to be seen what York does, but there is less fear of being left alone in the CAC than there was beforehand.

As far as CNU goes, I think they are fine for now. If the CAC remains intact, they don't have to go anywhere. I would agree that they don't have a lot of options out there. I don't see the MAC working due to distance (Lycoming to CNU would be BRUTAL let alone FDU Florham to CNU). They do not fit with the Centennial nor the Landmark at all. The rest of the conferences outside the ODAC are never going to accept CNU on a competitive basis. ODAC is too large and if they wanted CNU they would have courted them during the process that brought in Ferrum. I am told CNU wasn't even part of that.

There technically is the NJAC, but that would have to change the NJAC so revolutionary wise to bring in CNU that I simply don't see it happening. I mention it only because you mentioned looking "north."

If the CAC dissolves for whatever reason, I suspect what will actually happen is the remnants of the CAC for the most part (not all parties) will probably look to form up with others possibly from the ODAC or elsewhere to create a new conference. However, that is so far off in terms of reality for what is going on now that it isn't worth really discussing or worrying about.

Dave,

I think you covered everything that was going through my brain during that "frantic" writing of my post LOL It's just one of those things where you can't really say or even speculate much until you hear some sort of an announcement come out on who's going where, or who will be in the new conference, officially that is. Just have to wait and see. I figured there weren't many options for CNU if more teams end up leaving the CAC than anticipated. Thank you for taking the time and explaining everything. For now, we will just have to focus on the present and not so much on the future.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on November 06, 2017, 02:35:01 PM
Quote from: Goose_13 on November 06, 2017, 02:19:12 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on November 06, 2017, 09:13:39 AM
CNU was embarrassed yesterday at ODU...according to the box score, Ellis, Gibbs and McFarland didn't play, which makes me feel a little bit better.  I also noticed a lot of new names for the Captains...wish they'd update their roster!

Need to get on those guys in the Athletic Communication Department!! LOL Wouldn't surprise me if they didn't post it until a bit closer to the season opener. IDK why, but a lot of coaches like to keep their rosters close to the vest!

Yeah, they can be pretty lousy! ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 06, 2017, 02:41:06 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on November 06, 2017, 02:35:01 PM
Quote from: Goose_13 on November 06, 2017, 02:19:12 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on November 06, 2017, 09:13:39 AM
CNU was embarrassed yesterday at ODU...according to the box score, Ellis, Gibbs and McFarland didn't play, which makes me feel a little bit better.  I also noticed a lot of new names for the Captains...wish they'd update their roster!

Need to get on those guys in the Athletic Communication Department!! LOL Wouldn't surprise me if they didn't post it until a bit closer to the season opener. IDK why, but a lot of coaches like to keep their rosters close to the vest!


Yeah, they can be pretty lousy! :P

I spoke to Coach K at the Field Hockey game Saturday night....he turned in the roster weeks ago!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 06, 2017, 02:43:41 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on November 06, 2017, 02:41:06 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on November 06, 2017, 02:35:01 PM
Quote from: Goose_13 on November 06, 2017, 02:19:12 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on November 06, 2017, 09:13:39 AM
CNU was embarrassed yesterday at ODU...according to the box score, Ellis, Gibbs and McFarland didn't play, which makes me feel a little bit better.  I also noticed a lot of new names for the Captains...wish they'd update their roster!

Need to get on those guys in the Athletic Communication Department!! LOL Wouldn't surprise me if they didn't post it until a bit closer to the season opener. IDK why, but a lot of coaches like to keep their rosters close to the vest!


Yeah, they can be pretty lousy! :P

I spoke to Coach K at the Field Hockey game Saturday night....he turned in the roster weeks ago!

I do believe CNU has been rather successful in the fall campaigns - think I read they won every sports regular season or conference tournament (without looking it up)? That would keep an athletic communications department rather busy ahead of winter sports. Let's give them a bit of a break. It isn't like these rosters honestly mean anything until Nov. 15th or the first game anyway... and it isn't like they can't change six ways to Sunday throughout the season.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 06, 2017, 03:19:39 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 06, 2017, 02:43:41 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on November 06, 2017, 02:41:06 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on November 06, 2017, 02:35:01 PM
Quote from: Goose_13 on November 06, 2017, 02:19:12 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on November 06, 2017, 09:13:39 AM
CNU was embarrassed yesterday at ODU...according to the box score, Ellis, Gibbs and McFarland didn't play, which makes me feel a little bit better.  I also noticed a lot of new names for the Captains...wish they'd update their roster!

Need to get on those guys in the Athletic Communication Department!! LOL Wouldn't surprise me if they didn't post it until a bit closer to the season opener. IDK why, but a lot of coaches like to keep their rosters close to the vest!


Yeah, they can be pretty lousy! :P

I spoke to Coach K at the Field Hockey game Saturday night....he turned in the roster weeks ago!

I do believe CNU has been rather successful in the fall campaigns - think I read they won every sports regular season or conference tournament (without looking it up)? That would keep an athletic communications department rather busy ahead of winter sports. Let's give them a bit of a break. It isn't like these rosters honestly mean anything until Nov. 15th or the first game anyway... and it isn't like they can't change six ways to Sunday throughout the season.

Haha.....there's more to it than that. PM me if you want details. But I sent an email to the AD about an hour ago....Swish - the roster is posted now!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 06, 2017, 03:24:38 PM
Tallest FR is 6'4". Hope these guys are fast! And we landed a kid from PA. How did that happen?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on November 06, 2017, 03:56:17 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on November 06, 2017, 03:24:38 PM
Tallest FR is 6'4". Hope these guys are fast! And we landed a kid from PA. How did that happen?

Nice job, '85!  CNU likes to recruit a lot of wings...they're going to be lacking a quality big man this season...Marin is timid and Chappell is still developing.  That said, they'll be athletic and rely on transition and the perimeter...kind of reminds me of VA Wesleyan.  Coach K better have them shooting free throws...that cost 'em the Keene State game...well, and the fact that Daly shot one field goal...still trying to figure that one out.

GO CAPS!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ronk on November 06, 2017, 04:03:12 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on November 06, 2017, 03:24:38 PM
Tallest FR is 6'4". Hope these guys are fast! And we landed a kid from PA. How did that happen?

I know the name; very interesting for the future.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on November 06, 2017, 04:26:57 PM
Quote from: ronk on November 06, 2017, 04:03:12 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on November 06, 2017, 03:24:38 PM
Tallest FR is 6'4". Hope these guys are fast! And we landed a kid from PA. How did that happen?

I know the name; very interesting for the future.

If I'm not mistaken, he transferred from Coastal Carolina...a stand out in football and basketball in PA...not sure how the connection came about.  It also looks like the roster is missing Dalon McHugh, an athletic transfer from Shenandoah....
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 06, 2017, 05:55:37 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on November 06, 2017, 04:26:57 PM
Quote from: ronk on November 06, 2017, 04:03:12 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on November 06, 2017, 03:24:38 PM
Tallest FR is 6'4". Hope these guys are fast! And we landed a kid from PA. How did that happen?

I know the name; very interesting for the future.

If I'm not mistaken, he transferred from Coastal Carolina...a stand out in football and basketball in PA...not sure how the connection came about.  It also looks like the roster is missing Dalon McHugh, an athletic transfer from Shenandoah....

Know anything about Brandon Edmond? He dropped 14 on ODU
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on November 06, 2017, 09:07:38 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on November 06, 2017, 05:55:37 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on November 06, 2017, 04:26:57 PM
Quote from: ronk on November 06, 2017, 04:03:12 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on November 06, 2017, 03:24:38 PM
Tallest FR is 6'4". Hope these guys are fast! And we landed a kid from PA. How did that happen?

I know the name; very interesting for the future.

If I'm not mistaken, he transferred from Coastal Carolina...a stand out in football and basketball in PA...not sure how the connection came about.  It also looks like the roster is missing Dalon McHugh, an athletic transfer from Shenandoah....

Know anything about Brandon Edmond? He dropped 14 on ODU

Nah, other than he was a very good scorer in high school...keep an eye on this kid.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Goose_13 on November 09, 2017, 01:59:01 PM
This might be one of the more smaller rosters I've seen since I started following CNU back in the late 90's. I am shocked at the lack of size. Is this a transition? (Rhetorically asked, tho please feel free to lay your thoughts out). Could also be they recruited taller kids and they decided to go elsewhere or didn't make the cut in the classroom. Just as surprised as you are to see someone from PA on the roster. Curious to see if there is anyone out there who can tell us a little bit about his previous experience. Six days away from tip.

CNU85, thanks for getting that taken care of so can can all have something else to talk about before the opener!!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Goose_13 on November 09, 2017, 02:06:58 PM
Dave,

Just ready your article that included your ballot. Great read sir and great information about your teams. CNU can help its cause by winning their non-conference games. I didn't realize the CAC is down this year, so let's hope they take care of business in the CAC this yea and they can help their cause by beating the likes of RMC, VA Wesleyan, Catholic, etc and hope they do some damage in their respective conferences.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 09, 2017, 02:53:47 PM
Thanks Goose. I don't see the CAC being less competitive in conference, but I don't think it will have the same national or regional impact it has had in the last few years. It is a temporary thing as everything ebbs and flows.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Goose_13 on November 10, 2017, 02:02:14 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 09, 2017, 02:53:47 PM
Thanks Goose. I don't see the CAC being less competitive in conference, but I don't think it will have the same national or regional impact it has had in the last few years. It is a temporary thing as everything ebbs and flows.

Simple fact, win the conference tournament and don't worry about everyone else. Regardless of how up or down the CAC is.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 12, 2017, 12:34:37 PM
Quote from: Goose_13 on November 10, 2017, 02:02:14 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 09, 2017, 02:53:47 PM
Thanks Goose. I don't see the CAC being less competitive in conference, but I don't think it will have the same national or regional impact it has had in the last few years. It is a temporary thing as everything ebbs and flows.

Simple fact, win the conference tournament and don't worry about everyone else. Regardless of how up or down the CAC is.

You will hear me say that on repeat here on the boards and on Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com).
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 14, 2017, 03:47:54 PM
With Daly gone now,  who's planning on rebounding for CNU? Big game against RMC coming up and I'm torn on who I should take in the pick em League.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on November 14, 2017, 04:29:55 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on November 14, 2017, 03:47:54 PM
With Daly gone now,  who's planning on rebounding for CNU? Big game against RMC coming up and I'm torn on who I should take in the pick em League.

Good question...that will primarily fall on Roberts, Marin, Ellis and Chappell.  The first three are all 6-7, but Roberts probably won't see a lot of playing time...Marin is timid, but he's a senior, so I'm hoping he'll surprise me.  Ellis is decent, and has shown some potential, although he's only a sophomore...Chappell, who's 6-5, is also a sophomore that's still developing.  Out of all these guys, Chappell will likely be the workhorse...he's got the size to get in there and bang, so I look for him to hold down the paint.  So, that said, rebounding might be a challenge...I will say that Marcus Carter is a good rebounder for his size, but they'll need a big year from him in all aspects.

As for the R-MC game, it should be a good one...CNU still has a couple of seasoned veterans in McFarland and Carter, along w/a solid supporting cast, so maybe give the Captains a slight edge in this one?

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 15, 2017, 07:38:48 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on November 14, 2017, 04:29:55 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on November 14, 2017, 03:47:54 PM
With Daly gone now,  who's planning on rebounding for CNU? Big game against RMC coming up and I'm torn on who I should take in the pick em League.

Good question...that will primarily fall on Roberts, Marin, Ellis and Chappell.  The first three are all 6-7, but Roberts probably won't see a lot of playing time...Marin is timid, but he's a senior, so I'm hoping he'll surprise me.  Ellis is decent, and has shown some potential, although he's only a sophomore...Chappell, who's 6-5, is also a sophomore that's still developing.  Out of all these guys, Chappell will likely be the workhorse...he's got the size to get in there and bang, so I look for him to hold down the paint.  So, that said, rebounding might be a challenge...I will say that Marcus Carter is a good rebounder for his size, but they'll need a big year from him in all aspects.

As for the R-MC game, it should be a good one...CNU still has a couple of seasoned veterans in McFarland and Carter, along w/a solid supporting cast, so maybe give the Captains a slight edge in this one?

Good points. And the Daly issue is THE question for the season. Looking at the tape, Daly was 6-6 220. Cutch is 6-7 220 and Chappell is only slightly shorter at 6-5 but a bruiser at 285. I've heard CNU will be faster this year but don't rule out an inside game as those 2 Sophomores develop. I would expect each to play a different role each game depending on the opponent. But I'm not the coach! Let the fun begin!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 15, 2017, 08:03:41 AM
Now that the likes of Daly, Regimbal and Brown are gone, are we going to see Carter play 35 minutes a game and see McFarland possibly start? I picked Carter in the All-American pool,  so I'm hoping for big things from him this year, and CNU, of course.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on November 15, 2017, 08:17:18 AM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on November 15, 2017, 08:03:41 AM
Now that the likes of Daly, Regimbal and Brown are gone, are we going to see Carter play 35 minutes a game and see McFarland possibly start? I picked Carter in the All-American pool,  so I'm hoping for big things from him this year, and CNU, of course.

I think Carter may see close to that, and I'd be shocked if McFarland didn't start...hey, these guys are seniors and have been a huge part of this program, so let's ride 'em!

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on November 15, 2017, 08:20:18 AM
GAME DAY!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on November 15, 2017, 09:05:58 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on November 15, 2017, 08:20:18 AM
GAME DAY!

Yes! It seemed like this day was taking forever to get here.  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 15, 2017, 10:44:19 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on November 15, 2017, 08:17:18 AM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on November 15, 2017, 08:03:41 AM
Now that the likes of Daly, Regimbal and Brown are gone, are we going to see Carter play 35 minutes a game and see McFarland possibly start? I picked Carter in the All-American pool,  so I'm hoping for big things from him this year, and CNU, of course.

I think Carter may see close to that, and I'd be shocked if McFarland didn't start...hey, these guys are seniors and have been a huge part of this program, so let's ride 'em!

I am not sure we see Carter until January... just FYI. That was the last I heard.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on November 15, 2017, 11:14:13 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 15, 2017, 10:44:19 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on November 15, 2017, 08:17:18 AM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on November 15, 2017, 08:03:41 AM
Now that the likes of Daly, Regimbal and Brown are gone, are we going to see Carter play 35 minutes a game and see McFarland possibly start? I picked Carter in the All-American pool,  so I'm hoping for big things from him this year, and CNU, of course.

I think Carter may see close to that, and I'd be shocked if McFarland didn't start...hey, these guys are seniors and have been a huge part of this program, so let's ride 'em!



I am not sure we see Carter until January... just FYI. That was the last I heard.

I guess we'll find out tonight...from what I've heard/seen, I think he'll at least play some, hopefully a lot.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 15, 2017, 12:05:41 PM
That will certainly be a change to the info we were handed. Good to hear... I think. I'm a little nervous about his ability to get back up to 100% from that surgery. There are a number of players who had procedures in the off season or the end of last season who are struggling to get back up to speed (men and women).
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 15, 2017, 01:22:08 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 15, 2017, 12:05:41 PM
That will certainly be a change to the info we were handed. Good to hear... I think. I'm a little nervous about his ability to get back up to 100% from that surgery. There are a number of players who had procedures in the off season or the end of last season who are struggling to get back up to speed (men and women).

He played in the exhibition games. Had 20 min vs ODU. And dropped 17 against D1 UMES (where he almost played!)

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 15, 2017, 01:46:20 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on November 15, 2017, 01:22:08 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 15, 2017, 12:05:41 PM
That will certainly be a change to the info we were handed. Good to hear... I think. I'm a little nervous about his ability to get back up to 100% from that surgery. There are a number of players who had procedures in the off season or the end of last season who are struggling to get back up to speed (men and women).

He played in the exhibition games. Had 20 min vs ODU. And dropped 17 against D1 UMES (where he almost played!)

Very good to hear.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 15, 2017, 10:35:13 PM
Wow. What a game. CNU pulls out a win on the road against a decent team. 69-64. I was looking at the stats. 48 points from underclassmen. Only 2 points from regular starters last year and that was Carter before he went down injured. Hope he's ok. McFarland didn't play. Marin (pronounced marine) drops 15!!  And Fr Aigner hits 5 treys for 15 points in the game. Hopefully this will be a fun season to watch. I like everything you could possibly see from game 1....except that injury. Our two 1,000 point scorers only have 2 and we win like that. W.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Smitty Oom on November 15, 2017, 11:56:58 PM
If you don't know or don't feel like sharing I understand for the privacy for Marcus Carter... but what are the injuries from tonight and the offseason surgery he had?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 16, 2017, 08:47:05 AM
Quote from: Smitty Oom on November 15, 2017, 11:56:58 PM
If you don't know or don't feel like sharing I understand for the privacy for Marcus Carter... but what are the injuries from tonight and the offseason surgery he had?

I really don't know what surgery he had. Wanna say an ankle...or foot...not sure. The injury last night seemed to be that he rolled the ankle. I was listening on radio, so I wasn't able to see what happened. Radio guys said he walked off fairly normal. Coach said in post game that Carter wanted back in the game, but he (coach) was being cautious with it since this was just the first game. That's about all I know.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MW_Eagles on November 16, 2017, 09:51:58 AM
Gritty win for UMW last night hitting a 3 with 5 seconds left in OT.   Good to see Mark Madison back after taking last year off after his Rookie of the Year 2 seasons ago.   Also nice to see freshman Drew Johnson (brother of former player Taylor Johnson) start and pour in 20 (6 3's!) in his debut.  A good potential test this weekend with Denison and Cabrini coming in for a tournament.    Go Eagles!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 16, 2017, 10:08:19 AM
Quote from: MW_Eagles on November 16, 2017, 09:51:58 AM
Gritty win for UMW last night hitting a 3 with 5 seconds left in OT.   Good to see Mark Madison back after taking last year off after his Rookie of the Year 2 seasons ago.   Also nice to see freshman Drew Johnson (brother of former player Taylor Johnson) start and pour in 20 (6 3's!) in his debut.  A good potential test this weekend with Denison and Cabrini coming in for a tournament.    Go Eagles!

Sounds like a really good start for the Eagles. Will have to keep an eye on you guys!!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on November 16, 2017, 10:08:43 AM
Nice win for the Captains last night...aside from the frustration and disappointment of McFarland not even playing and Carter tweaking his ankle 5 minutes into the game, CNU fans have to be very proud of the entire team for beating a good opponent in a tough place to play.  Marin, the Captains' center, had a very solid game, which I didn't necessarily expect, so I give him a lot of credit for stepping up.  What can you say about the freshmen, especially Aigner?  They were solid, as well, and Aigner may indeed become a special player for CNU...that kid can shoot!  I also need to commend the others I didn't name specifically...a very good team effort from everyone involved.

Now, my concern going forward is, how long can we expect Marin and company to win w/out McFarland and Carter?  CNU is playing Catholic on Saturday, and potentially Hood on their home court the following day...then, Dickinson and Salisbury come to town...not exactly a murderers' row, but some very solid competition.  The Captains really need their two leaders to get healthy soon....

GO CAPS!

   
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MW_Eagles on November 20, 2017, 10:08:49 AM
Nice weekend for UMW.  Knocked off Denison yesterday who had beaten #23 Cabrini by 20 the night before.   Nice to see them off to a good start!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on November 20, 2017, 10:47:28 AM
A nice weekend for the Captains...glad that at least McFarland was back for the Catholic game, as they needed every bit of his production.  I've been pleasantly surprised w/Marin's play...even though he's a little awkward and gangly, his length gives him a nice advantage around the basket.  Aigner, the freshman sniper, is fun to watch...needs to stay aggressive.  I saw more of Harrington, who's got good size and can rebound the ball...Parks is solid...really, another big team effort, as CNU plays a lot of people.

I hope Carter will be back this Sunday, as a solid Dickinson team visits the Free...that will have given him quite a few days of rest.

GO CAPS!

And, yes, "solid" seems to be one of my favorite words these days....
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 27, 2017, 08:50:25 AM
Well, that was ugly. Disjointed. A bunch of individuals on the court. Carter is out and possibly for a long time. The team is very young with many players with significant minutes were playing in just their 4th college hoops game. One Fr started. Time to regroup and learn from this. First loss at home since December 2015!!!!

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on November 27, 2017, 10:07:02 AM
Quote from: CNU85 on November 27, 2017, 08:50:25 AM
Well, that was ugly. Disjointed. A bunch of individuals on the court. Carter is out and possibly for a long time. The team is very young with many players with significant minutes were playing in just their 4th college hoops game. One Fr started. Time to regroup and learn from this. First loss at home since December 2015!!!!

Yep, that was a tough loss...McFarland ended up getting his points, but neither he nor Marin played well...and, w/Carter being out, there's little margin for error.  Speaking of Carter, I heard he was going to be evaluated tomorrow...evidently, him not playing this season and coming back next year is on the table, which is surprising to me.  If that indeed happens, it totally changes the outlook this year, obviously...however, I do think CNU has some talented newcomers that just need time and experience.  Oh yeah, no Gibbs or Ellis yesterday either...geez, what's going on?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 27, 2017, 03:17:57 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on November 27, 2017, 10:07:02 AM
Quote from: CNU85 on November 27, 2017, 08:50:25 AM
Well, that was ugly. Disjointed. A bunch of individuals on the court. Carter is out and possibly for a long time. The team is very young with many players with significant minutes were playing in just their 4th college hoops game. One Fr started. Time to regroup and learn from this. First loss at home since December 2015!!!!

Yep, that was a tough loss...McFarland ended up getting his points, but neither he nor Marin played well...and, w/Carter being out, there's little margin for error.  Speaking of Carter, I heard he was going to be evaluated tomorrow...evidently, him not playing this season and coming back next year is on the table, which is surprising to me.  If that indeed happens, it totally changes the outlook this year, obviously...however, I do think CNU has some talented newcomers that just need time and experience.  Oh yeah, no Gibbs or Ellis yesterday either...geez, what's going on?

I heard that as well. Hopefully Cutch and Luther are on the mend. Conference play is Wednesday!!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on November 28, 2017, 08:35:13 AM
Quote from: CNU85 on November 27, 2017, 03:17:57 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on November 27, 2017, 10:07:02 AM
Quote from: CNU85 on November 27, 2017, 08:50:25 AM
Well, that was ugly. Disjointed. A bunch of individuals on the court. Carter is out and possibly for a long time. The team is very young with many players with significant minutes were playing in just their 4th college hoops game. One Fr started. Time to regroup and learn from this. First loss at home since December 2015!!!!

Yep, that was a tough loss...McFarland ended up getting his points, but neither he nor Marin played well...and, w/Carter being out, there's little margin for error.  Speaking of Carter, I heard he was going to be evaluated tomorrow...evidently, him not playing this season and coming back next year is on the table, which is surprising to me.  If that indeed happens, it totally changes the outlook this year, obviously...however, I do think CNU has some talented newcomers that just need time and experience.  Oh yeah, no Gibbs or Ellis yesterday either...geez, what's going on?

I heard that as well. Hopefully Cutch and Luther are on the mend. Conference play is Wednesday!!

Yep, the Gulls are coming to town, which is always big!  They lost a lot too...I know they have Barcikowski back, but I don't know much about the others...regardless, it's a rivalry game, so it will likely be another battle.

GO CAPS!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ronk on November 28, 2017, 09:17:38 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on November 28, 2017, 08:35:13 AM
Quote from: CNU85 on November 27, 2017, 03:17:57 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on November 27, 2017, 10:07:02 AM
Quote from: CNU85 on November 27, 2017, 08:50:25 AM
Well, that was ugly. Disjointed. A bunch of individuals on the court. Carter is out and possibly for a long time. The team is very young with many players with significant minutes were playing in just their 4th college hoops game. One Fr started. Time to regroup and learn from this. First loss at home since December 2015!!!!

Yep, that was a tough loss...McFarland ended up getting his points, but neither he nor Marin played well...and, w/Carter being out, there's little margin for error.  Speaking of Carter, I heard he was going to be evaluated tomorrow...evidently, him not playing this season and coming back next year is on the table, which is surprising to me.  If that indeed happens, it totally changes the outlook this year, obviously...however, I do think CNU has some talented newcomers that just need time and experience.  Oh yeah, no Gibbs or Ellis yesterday either...geez, what's going on?

I heard that as well. Hopefully Cutch and Luther are on the mend. Conference play is Wednesday!!

Yep, the Gulls are coming to town, which is always big!  They lost a lot too...I know they have Barcikowski back, but I don't know much about the others...regardless, it's a rivalry game, so it will likely be another battle.

GO CAPS!

Fierstein is a nice frosh, but he's probably a season away from being a factor.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on November 28, 2017, 10:17:28 AM
Speaking of freshman, Brock Geiman needs to play more...I've only seen him play a little, but I really liked what I saw...he has some nice potential, in my opinion.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ronk on November 28, 2017, 10:21:56 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on November 28, 2017, 10:17:28 AM
Speaking of freshman, Brock Geiman needs to play more...I've only seen him play a little, but I really liked what I saw...he has some nice potential, in my opinion.

As i mentioned to someone(maybe, you) on the chat board, I'm acquainted with Geiman in an indirect way, so I'll be watching his progress, also.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 28, 2017, 10:34:42 AM
Quote from: ronk on November 28, 2017, 10:21:56 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on November 28, 2017, 10:17:28 AM
Speaking of freshman, Brock Geiman needs to play more...I've only seen him play a little, but I really liked what I saw...he has some nice potential, in my opinion.

As i mentioned to someone(maybe, you) on the chat board, I'm acquainted with Geiman in an indirect way, so I'll be watching his progress, also.

I hope he has a nice progression Wednesday night!!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on November 28, 2017, 11:23:52 AM
Quote from: ronk on November 28, 2017, 10:21:56 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on November 28, 2017, 10:17:28 AM
Speaking of freshman, Brock Geiman needs to play more...I've only seen him play a little, but I really liked what I saw...he has some nice potential, in my opinion.

As i mentioned to someone(maybe, you) on the chat board, I'm acquainted with Geiman in an indirect way, so I'll be watching his progress, also.

Yes, ronk, I recall you mentioning that you know of him...he looked to be quick, a good ball handler and overall athlete.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 28, 2017, 01:06:19 PM
Saw Salisbury in the opening weekend... not a bad squad. I liked their speed and style, though I appreciate that they have to get some games under their belts to get used to one another and what Coach Sachs wants. Good size inside, pretty decent outside shooting. Their full-court defense was pretty solid, albeit against a Goucher team who is struggling mightily against full-court defense to start the season. I don't think Salisbury is necessarily a Top 25 team, but they will remain near the top of the CAC and give CNU a hard time for sure - a CNU team who is also struggling a bit.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on November 29, 2017, 08:26:04 AM
GAME DAY!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on November 29, 2017, 09:16:30 AM
Super impressed with what York has become from when the coach started. Watched them online and was extremely impressed.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: jesskleangda on November 29, 2017, 11:45:19 AM
UMW looks like a promising young team (only 1 senior).  Shooters all over the floor.  The future is very bright.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 29, 2017, 03:07:56 PM
Quote from: CCHoopster on November 29, 2017, 09:16:30 AM
Super impressed with what York has become from when the coach started. Watched them online and was extremely impressed.

I had York at #25 on my ballot for a little while, before deciding I wanted to see a bit more.  I'm very impressed with their start.  It should be a great conference season.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MW_Eagles on November 30, 2017, 08:04:49 AM
Really looking forward to the York/UMW game this weekend.  Should be a great test for the Eagles on the road who are off to a good start.   Freshman Drew Johnson went 10-16 (!) from 3 last night for 32 points in a win over St. Mary's.   Like Ryan said, this should be a fun conference season. 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on November 30, 2017, 08:40:06 AM
CNU was able to hang on against the Gulls last night after getting a nice lead early in the 2nd half...these two simply don't play a game w/out some last minute drama.  I didn't see the game, but it looks like the Captains shot well and McFarland had another big night, thank goodness...it's still early, but he has a good chance at conference POY if he can keep this up.  I don't know for certain, but it would seem that Carter will likely miss this season and use his last year of eligibility next season...not exactly sure what to think of that. ???

GO CAPS!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on November 30, 2017, 08:41:32 AM
Quote from: MW_Eagles on November 30, 2017, 08:04:49 AM
Really looking forward to the York/UMW game this weekend.  Should be a great test for the Eagles on the road who are off to a good start.  Freshman Drew Johnson went 10-16 (!) from 3 last night for 32 points in a win over St. Mary's.  Like Ryan said, this should be a fun conference season.

Now that's impressive!

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 30, 2017, 09:23:52 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on November 30, 2017, 08:40:06 AM
CNU was able to hang on against the Gulls last night after getting a nice lead early in the 2nd half...these two simply don't play a game w/out some last minute drama.  I didn't see the game, but it looks like the Captains shot well and McFarland had another big night, thank goodness...it's still early, but he has a good chance at conference POY if he can keep this up.  I don't know for certain, but it would seem that Carter will likely miss this season and use his last year of eligibility next season...not exactly sure what to think of that. ???

GO CAPS!

I was at the game. We are so young. Often, the majority of players on the floor are underclassmen. We are banged up with injuries. Carter is the biggest issue. I think you are right about Carter. If he doesn't suit up Saturday that will be the sign. Ellis was in street clothes. Gibbs is still not 100%.

Salisbury was a good test. They always match up well with CNU. That's why the last 11 games have been decided by a total of 41 points. The last 6 by 12 points. Barcikowski is a baller. I like his hustle and play. He jaws too much though.

The CAC refs (women and men games) seem to be a little aggressive with all the coaches. They called a T on each coach in a span of a few minutes last night. In Women's game the CNU coach was T'd up as well.



Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on December 02, 2017, 04:08:56 PM
Pregame. Carter still in street clothes. Not a good sign. Also Ellis is not dressed again and now I see Femi in street clothes. Injuries are hurting already. Not cool.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on December 02, 2017, 11:18:57 PM
Come on, CNU...a home loss to Frostburg?  Geez, this is frustrating...simply have to win at home and steal as many as possible on the road...toughen up, fellas!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 03, 2017, 11:42:41 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on November 30, 2017, 09:23:52 AM

The CAC refs (women and men games) seem to be a little aggressive with all the coaches. They called a T on each coach in a span of a few minutes last night. In Women's game the CNU coach was T'd up as well.

Not sure if this helps, but the CAC has their officials assigned by the same individual who handles the Centennial, both MACs (I believe), Landmark, and others I believe. They aren't just for the CAC. There is a TON of cross-over as a result and has been for several years. It has actually improved officiating on the men's side - don't get me started with the women's refs in this region.

Another note, there is now a national coordinator of officials for Division III. One for men; one for women. While it is hard to gauge early this season, but eventually officiating will start looking far more familiar across the country. It may result in fans and others seeing games called a little differently, but really closer to how they are supposed to be called.

And I also don't use Techs as a sign of if the refs are being strict or not... sometimes coaches just flat out earn them. LOL
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on December 04, 2017, 04:44:35 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 03, 2017, 11:42:41 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on November 30, 2017, 09:23:52 AM

The CAC refs (women and men games) seem to be a little aggressive with all the coaches. They called a T on each coach in a span of a few minutes last night. In Women's game the CNU coach was T'd up as well.

Not sure if this helps, but the CAC has their officials assigned by the same individual who handles the Centennial, both MACs (I believe), Landmark, and others I believe. They aren't just for the CAC. There is a TON of cross-over as a result and has been for several years. It has actually improved officiating on the men's side - don't get me started with the women's refs in this region.

Another note, there is now a national coordinator of officials for Division III. One for men; one for women. While it is hard to gauge early this season, but eventually officiating will start looking far more familiar across the country. It may result in fans and others seeing games called a little differently, but really closer to how they are supposed to be called.

And I also don't use Techs as a sign of if the refs are being strict or not... sometimes coaches just flat out earn them. LOL

Thanks for the info. Good stuff. Also, true that coaches earn T's more often than they get them. I was just pointing out that the refs seems less tolerant with coaches than in the past.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 04, 2017, 05:00:11 PM
To some degree... I wouldn't mind seeing refs being less tolerant. I am a little sick of coaches dramatically doing things that only rile other people, like the crowd up, while basically showing the refs off. I wouldn't mind seeing a little more decorum.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on December 05, 2017, 09:06:04 AM
I agree when it comes to showmanship. Or if the coach is just relentless and not really "getting" over something.

The Women's game was funny. Other team had the ball...CNU coach was yelling at his players to call a timeout when they gain possession. The ref blew the whistle, motion for a timeout for CNU. Then realized what she did and T'd up the coach for calling a TO without the ball. I chuckled.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 05, 2017, 10:21:27 AM
Quote from: CNU85 on December 05, 2017, 09:06:04 AM
I agree when it comes to showmanship. Or if the coach is just relentless and not really "getting" over something.

The Women's game was funny. Other team had the ball...coach was yelling at his players to call a timeout when they gain possession. The ref blew the whistle, motion for a timeout for CNU. Then realized what she did and T'd up the coach for calling a TO without the ball. I chuckled.

Well that is just a flat-out mistake on the official. It reminds me of one official in particular. I hope it wasn't her. LOL
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on December 05, 2017, 02:19:31 PM
CNU dropped out of the Top 25...makes sense w/no Marcus Carter, nagging injuries for multiple players and a lot of new faces.  Considering the circumstances, not a bad start to the season, but the Frostburg loss hurt...still like to see more of Geiman and less of Beasley.

GO CAPS!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 05, 2017, 02:29:05 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on December 05, 2017, 02:19:31 PM
CNU dropped out of the Top 25...makes sense w/no Marcus Carter, nagging injuries for multiple players and a lot of new faces.  Considering the circumstances, not a bad start to the season, but the Frostburg loss hurt...still like to see more of Geiman and less of Beasley.

GO CAPS!

Pretty much wrapped up my reasons for dropping them.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on December 05, 2017, 02:33:35 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 05, 2017, 02:29:05 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on December 05, 2017, 02:19:31 PM
CNU dropped out of the Top 25...makes sense w/no Marcus Carter, nagging injuries for multiple players and a lot of new faces.  Considering the circumstances, not a bad start to the season, but the Frostburg loss hurt...still like to see more of Geiman and less of Beasley.

GO CAPS!

Pretty much wrapped up my reasons for dropping them.

Dave, my buddy saw the Goucher women's team up at Delaware Valley last week and his only comment was "yikes". Did they graduate everybody or have they been scuffling for a few years?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on December 05, 2017, 02:34:38 PM
Every now and then, I'll glance at Bridgewater's schedule and see how they're doing...based on what I've seen, their head coach, who was an assistant at CNU, needs to have a good year or he'll be pounding the pavement soon.  I hope he turns it around, as I hate to see anyone lose their livelihood....
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 05, 2017, 02:36:39 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on December 05, 2017, 02:33:35 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 05, 2017, 02:29:05 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on December 05, 2017, 02:19:31 PM
CNU dropped out of the Top 25...makes sense w/no Marcus Carter, nagging injuries for multiple players and a lot of new faces.  Considering the circumstances, not a bad start to the season, but the Frostburg loss hurt...still like to see more of Geiman and less of Beasley.

GO CAPS!

Pretty much wrapped up my reasons for dropping them.

Dave, my buddy saw the Goucher women's team up at Delaware Valley last week and his only comment was "yikes". Did they graduate everybody or have they been scuffling for a few years?

Combo of things... they have been scuffling for ... almost two decades (if we want to be honest). They had started to come back around, but Patrick Daniel they previous coach of two years left almost the moment the season ended. There wasn't much in the cupboard after he left - not sure why recruiting dried up. Then add in their top player transferred for her her senior year to Catholic and their next best player I think was told had knee surgery - or something with her knee - that I think has ended their season.

They had seven players at the late-October "Midnight Madness" and ten on the roster for the first game. It is going to be a LONG season.

That said, Capital's previous top assistant is now the coach and I have heard she has already been successful on the recruiting trail - her true bread and butter. There may... MAY be light at the end of the tunnel, but it is going to probably be a brutal campaign this season.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on December 05, 2017, 02:47:26 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 05, 2017, 02:36:39 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on December 05, 2017, 02:33:35 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 05, 2017, 02:29:05 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on December 05, 2017, 02:19:31 PM
CNU dropped out of the Top 25...makes sense w/no Marcus Carter, nagging injuries for multiple players and a lot of new faces.  Considering the circumstances, not a bad start to the season, but the Frostburg loss hurt...still like to see more of Geiman and less of Beasley.

GO CAPS!

Pretty much wrapped up my reasons for dropping them.

Dave, my buddy saw the Goucher women's team up at Delaware Valley last week and his only comment was "yikes". Did they graduate everybody or have they been scuffling for a few years?

Combo of things... they have been scuffling for ... almost two decades (if we want to be honest). They had started to come back around, but Patrick Daniel they previous coach of two years left almost the moment the season ended. There wasn't much in the cupboard after he left - not sure why recruiting dried up. Then add in their top player transferred for her her senior year to Catholic and their next best player I think was told had knee surgery - or something with her knee - that I think has ended their season.

They had seven players at the late-October "Midnight Madness" and ten on the roster for the first game. It is going to be a LONG season.

That said, Capital's previous top assistant is now the coach and I have heard she has already been successful on the recruiting trail - her true bread and butter. There may... MAY be light at the end of the tunnel, but it is going to probably be a brutal campaign this season.

The combined number of wins for the Goucher women and the DelVal men (injuries galore) may not exceed the number of thumbs on both hands!! :(
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 05, 2017, 02:50:35 PM
Sadly... true.

I remember the Goucher men's 3-21 season... and I will never forget my 0-17 soccer campaign... I wish it on no one.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on December 06, 2017, 03:34:58 PM
Anyone know what's happened to St. Mary's?  They were .500 their last two seasons and are off to a slow start this year...perhaps their talent level has dropped off and are playing better competition more consistently?

Now that I mentioned it, I wouldn't be surprised if they beat CNU tonight....
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on December 10, 2017, 05:32:15 PM
He's baaaaaaaack!!!!! #3.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on December 11, 2017, 08:32:54 AM
Quote from: CNU85 on December 10, 2017, 05:32:15 PM
He's baaaaaaaack!!!!! #3.

Yes, and he played well, but the team let Wesley back in it...Marin has to stay out of foul trouble and make his free throws.

GO CAPS!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 17, 2017, 04:40:12 PM
The basketball season always experiences a lull a month after starting the season. It is one of just a few sports that experiences the ups and downs of scheduling. With finals complete and students headed home for the holidays, teams are left to either take a very long stretch of time off as well or find a way to stay active.

Sunday night on Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com), Dave chats with a few coaches whose programs are at a cross-roads: finding a way to keep playing or take a break after squeezing in nearly half the season in the opening four weeks. Dave will also take a look at the Top 25 and wonder if things have settled down especially on the men's side.

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Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MW_Eagles on December 18, 2017, 07:45:55 AM
Exciting win for Mary Washington yesterday after the exam break!  Down 8 at half to Randolph Macon and won it with this :

http://umweagles.com/sports/mbkb/2017-18/videos/umwmb1217

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on December 18, 2017, 08:33:05 AM
Quote from: MW_Eagles on December 18, 2017, 07:45:55 AM
Exciting win for Mary Washington yesterday after the exam break!  Down 8 at half to Randolph Macon and won it with this :

http://umweagles.com/sports/mbkb/2017-18/videos/umwmb1217

Nice win...congrats!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on December 18, 2017, 08:35:56 AM
CNU has a tough rivalry game at Virginia Wesleyan tonight...should be a good one!

GO CAPS!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 19, 2017, 06:31:17 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on December 18, 2017, 08:35:56 AM
CNU has a tough rivalry game at Virginia Wesleyan tonight...should be a good one!

GO CAPS!

They looked a little like a two man team last night - a pretty darn good two men, but still.  They have to figure out how to spread things around.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on December 19, 2017, 09:49:48 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 19, 2017, 06:31:17 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on December 18, 2017, 08:35:56 AM
CNU has a tough rivalry game at Virginia Wesleyan tonight...should be a good one!

GO CAPS!

They looked a little like a two man team last night - a pretty darn good two men, but still.  They have to figure out how to spread things around.

They're working on it, but there's a lot of youth after Carter and McFarland...luckily, Marin has come in and stepped up as a low double figure scorer to give CNU some consistency.

Always nice to beat Virginia Wesleyan and head into the break on a solid note....
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Goose_13 on December 29, 2017, 12:04:39 PM
Man it's been dead on this board and rightfully so. I hope everyone enjoyed their holiday and ready to get back to some bball action. CNU back to the court tonight hosting the Captains Shootout this weekend. Ready for action to resume!! Ready for sports to resume!!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MW_Eagles on January 07, 2018, 09:31:36 AM
This board has been surprisingly quiet despite the start of conference play.  Pre-season rankings seem to be holding true so far near the top.   Looks like a fun battle for the top 6.  Been impressed with UMW so far with some good wins over RMC and Va Wesleyan leading to conference play.    Nice to see that 2 of RMC's 3 losses came from the CAC   ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 07, 2018, 11:02:08 PM
I read nearly every board... but I realize not everyone wants to read my thoughts. LOL
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MW_Eagles on January 08, 2018, 05:46:07 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 07, 2018, 11:02:08 PM
I read nearly every board... but I realize not everyone wants to read my thoughts. LOL

Always happy to hear your commentary Dave!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on January 09, 2018, 10:09:07 AM
Yep, it's been quiet, but that's pretty typical...I haven't been at work in a bit, so I haven't posted recently. :)

Well, it was announced prior to the Marymount game on Saturday that Marcus Carter was going to have surgery and would be out the rest of the season...obviously, a tough blow for himself and the team, but he's been playing w/a lot of pain, evidently...he's hoping to redshirt and come back next year for a final season of eligibility.  So, that said, CNU will have to try and find a way to win w/out him, which will be tough to do consistently, in my opinion...I think they're just too young and inexperienced, w/the exception of McFarland, to seriously contend for the conference championship...you simply can't lose to Frostburg and Marymount.  I see 'em having an up and down season the rest of the way...it will have been a solid year overall, but nothing like the previous two.

York looks to be on a mission...undefeated and #8 in the country...we'll see if they can maintain this level of play.

GO CAPS! 

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on January 10, 2018, 02:35:07 PM
Nice piece on UMW in the latest ATR!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MW_Eagles on January 11, 2018, 08:07:57 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on January 10, 2018, 02:35:07 PM
Nice piece on UMW in the latest ATR!

That was a nice article.  Unfortunately, they didn't build off of that good press in their game last night!   :-[
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on January 11, 2018, 01:13:10 PM
Quote from: MW_Eagles on January 11, 2018, 08:07:57 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on January 10, 2018, 02:35:07 PM
Nice piece on UMW in the latest ATR!

That was a nice article.  Unfortunately, they didn't build off of that good press in their game last night!   :-[

Yeah, CNU lost to Frostburg, as well...I don't think they're particularly good, but dangerous enough to cause an upset here and there.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on January 12, 2018, 10:47:16 AM
CNU has a big game at York tomorrow...IF the Captains win, and that's a big "if", it would tighten things up in the conference race and keep the Spartans from running away w/the regular season championship...well, at least for the time being.

GO CAPS!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 12, 2018, 04:50:07 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on January 12, 2018, 10:47:16 AM
CNU has a big game at York tomorrow...IF the Captains win, and that's a big "if", it would tighten things up in the conference race and keep the Spartans from running away w/the regular season championship...well, at least for the time being.

GO CAPS!


IF the Captains win, I'll give you back that dinner you owe me.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 12, 2018, 09:31:29 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 12, 2018, 04:50:07 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on January 12, 2018, 10:47:16 AM
CNU has a big game at York tomorrow...IF the Captains win, and that's a big "if", it would tighten things up in the conference race and keep the Spartans from running away w/the regular season championship...well, at least for the time being.

GO CAPS!


IF the Captains win, I'll give you back that dinner you owe me.

I'll hopefully be there.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MW_Eagles on January 13, 2018, 08:49:25 PM
Looks like a pretty big game in Newport News on Wednesday between Mary Washington and Christopher Newport.  I'm going to try and make it down.   
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on January 15, 2018, 08:30:38 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 12, 2018, 04:50:07 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on January 12, 2018, 10:47:16 AM
CNU has a big game at York tomorrow...IF the Captains win, and that's a big "if", it would tighten things up in the conference race and keep the Spartans from running away w/the regular season championship...well, at least for the time being.

GO CAPS!


IF the Captains win, I'll give you back that dinner you owe me.

You're really going out on a limb these days, Ryan...CNU is young and down an All-American, so what were the odds that they'd win at #8 and undefeated York? ;) 

Let me refresh your memory about that dinner, though...I agreed to buy if you "didn't" go to the Salisbury game last year 'cause you had been bad luck for the higher seed, but you went anyway and cost CNU the game, obviously! ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on January 15, 2018, 08:33:51 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 12, 2018, 09:31:29 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 12, 2018, 04:50:07 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on January 12, 2018, 10:47:16 AM
CNU has a big game at York tomorrow...IF the Captains win, and that's a big "if", it would tighten things up in the conference race and keep the Spartans from running away w/the regular season championship...well, at least for the time being.

GO CAPS!


IF the Captains win, I'll give you back that dinner you owe me.

I'll hopefully be there.

Did you go, Dave?  I was able to watch some of it online and thought CNU was pretty competitive, for the most part...York is tough!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on January 15, 2018, 08:35:39 AM
Quote from: MW_Eagles on January 13, 2018, 08:49:25 PM
Looks like a pretty big game in Newport News on Wednesday between Mary Washington and Christopher Newport.  I'm going to try and make it down.

No doubt...should be a good one!

GO CAPS!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 15, 2018, 07:16:38 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on January 15, 2018, 08:33:51 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 12, 2018, 09:31:29 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 12, 2018, 04:50:07 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on January 12, 2018, 10:47:16 AM
CNU has a big game at York tomorrow...IF the Captains win, and that's a big "if", it would tighten things up in the conference race and keep the Spartans from running away w/the regular season championship...well, at least for the time being.

GO CAPS!


IF the Captains win, I'll give you back that dinner you owe me.

I'll hopefully be there.

Did you go, Dave?  I was able to watch some of it online and thought CNU was pretty competitive, for the most part...York is tough!

Yep I went. Came away appreciating that CNU continues to fight and have some guys who stepped up - maybe only for a half, but did so. Was pretty surprised how much McFarland wasn't a factor and nor was Femi, but they gave YCP a significant enough of a hard time.

YCP is legit. I may have them a little too high on my ballot, but at the same time I am not sure how much further down I can put them, either. They have all the right parts. They didn't win pretty and had some issues, but they won. The crowd was insanely large and I think the squad is starting to get used to the brighter spotlight and, thus, larger target on them now. I realize it will be the last game of the regular season, but if YCP beats CNU in VA this season... NCAA tournament teams need to take note.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on January 16, 2018, 08:36:39 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 15, 2018, 07:16:38 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on January 15, 2018, 08:33:51 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 12, 2018, 09:31:29 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 12, 2018, 04:50:07 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on January 12, 2018, 10:47:16 AM
CNU has a big game at York tomorrow...IF the Captains win, and that's a big "if", it would tighten things up in the conference race and keep the Spartans from running away w/the regular season championship...well, at least for the time being.

GO CAPS!


IF the Captains win, I'll give you back that dinner you owe me.

I'll hopefully be there.

Did you go, Dave?  I was able to watch some of it online and thought CNU was pretty competitive, for the most part...York is tough!

Yep I went. Came away appreciating that CNU continues to fight and have some guys who stepped up - maybe only for a half, but did so. Was pretty surprised how much McFarland wasn't a factor and nor was Femi, but they gave YCP a significant enough of a hard time.

YCP is legit. I may have them a little too high on my ballot, but at the same time I am not sure how much further down I can put them, either. They have all the right parts. They didn't win pretty and had some issues, but they won. The crowd was insanely large and I think the squad is starting to get used to the brighter spotlight and, thus, larger target on them now. I realize it will be the last game of the regular season, but if YCP beats CNU in VA this season... NCAA tournament teams need to take note.

McFarland had a bad game going 2-14...when your star and leader has a tough night, it makes it that much harder on a young team.  Even though Marin is a senior, he hardly played his first three years...he's come in and done a solid job...not sure what you were expecting from Femi.

In looking at the stats a little more closely, York played well...they shot 54% from two, 39% from three and made 20 of 26 free throws...w/CNU having a mediocre game, the Captains have a decent chance to knock them off in the Free.  The Spartans don't look very deep either...their starting five are good, but they'll have to stay out of foul trouble...they're on a great run, but I think it will end soon enough.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on January 18, 2018, 11:49:49 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on January 15, 2018, 08:35:39 AM
Quote from: MW_Eagles on January 13, 2018, 08:49:25 PM
Looks like a pretty big game in Newport News on Wednesday between Mary Washington and Christopher Newport.  I'm going to try and make it down.

No doubt...should be a good one!

GO CAPS!

Did you make it to the game, MW_Eagles?  The family and I ventured out to the Free on a pretty nasty evening...glad we did, though, as there was a good crowd and the Captains played well the last 25 minutes.  McFarland had another bad game, but the young'uns proved they can win w/out him against a quality opponent...Aigner and Ellis hit some nice 3s and the defense kept Johnson and Shaw in check, for the most part...a solid team win.  I absolutely love Brock Geiman, number 35...he's quick, confident and savvy for a freshman...he needs to play more, in my opinion.  It's time for a little payback at FSU on Saturday...have to win at home and steal 'em on the road!

GO CAPS!

I just have to vent a little...last night there was a loud, obnoxious UMW fan sitting right behind me.  I have no problem w/a fan of the opposing team cheering, but they need to do so in a respectable manner, especially if you're going to sit on the home team's side.  So, the more this person went on, the more irritated I got and entered into a bit of cheer sparring, if you will...nothing better than a loudmouth fan suddenly becoming as quiet as a church mouse when they know that their team is going to lose...serves 'em right, I say!  That wasn't you, MW_Eagles, was it? :) 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MW_Eagles on January 18, 2018, 01:23:35 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on January 18, 2018, 11:49:49 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on January 15, 2018, 08:35:39 AM
Quote from: MW_Eagles on January 13, 2018, 08:49:25 PM
Looks like a pretty big game in Newport News on Wednesday between Mary Washington and Christopher Newport.  I'm going to try and make it down.

No doubt...should be a good one!

GO CAPS!

Did you make it to the game, MW_Eagles?  The family and I ventured out to the Free on a pretty nasty evening...glad we did, though, as there was a good crowd and the Captains played well the last 25 minutes.  McFarland had another bad game, but the young'uns proved they can win w/out him against a quality opponent...Aigner and Ellis hit some nice 3s and the defense kept Johnson and Shaw in check, for the most part...a solid team win.  I absolutely love Brock Geiman, number 35...he's quick, confident and savvy for a freshman...he needs to play more, in my opinion.  It's time for a little payback at FSU on Saturday...have to win at home and steal 'em on the road!

GO CAPS!

I just have to vent a little...last night there was a loud, obnoxious UMW fan sitting right behind me.  I have no problem w/a fan of the opposing team cheering, but they need to do so in a respectable manner, especially if you're going to sit on the home team's side.  So, the more this person went on, the more irritated I got and entered into a bit of cheer sparring, if you will...nothing better than a loudmouth fan suddenly becoming as quiet as a church mouse when they know that their team is going to lose...serves 'em right, I say!  That wasn't you, MW_Eagles, was it? :)

Oh no, that wasn't me!  Roads were pretty bad, so I watched from home in Richmond.    Sorry to hear that though.    That game was frustrating.    Decent start by MW, but as soon as CNU started to make a little run, MW started throwing up some terrible shots.   Shaw can't do it all himself.    Good win for CNU though.   Looks like CNU and Salisbury will fight for 2/3 seeds.  Hopefully MW can stay in the top 4 to at least get a home game. 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on January 18, 2018, 02:09:11 PM
Quote from: MW_Eagles on January 18, 2018, 01:23:35 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on January 18, 2018, 11:49:49 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on January 15, 2018, 08:35:39 AM
Quote from: MW_Eagles on January 13, 2018, 08:49:25 PM
Looks like a pretty big game in Newport News on Wednesday between Mary Washington and Christopher Newport.  I'm going to try and make it down.

No doubt...should be a good one!

GO CAPS!

Did you make it to the game, MW_Eagles?  The family and I ventured out to the Free on a pretty nasty evening...glad we did, though, as there was a good crowd and the Captains played well the last 25 minutes.  McFarland had another bad game, but the young'uns proved they can win w/out him against a quality opponent...Aigner and Ellis hit some nice 3s and the defense kept Johnson and Shaw in check, for the most part...a solid team win.  I absolutely love Brock Geiman, number 35...he's quick, confident and savvy for a freshman...he needs to play more, in my opinion.  It's time for a little payback at FSU on Saturday...have to win at home and steal 'em on the road!

GO CAPS!

I just have to vent a little...last night there was a loud, obnoxious UMW fan sitting right behind me.  I have no problem w/a fan of the opposing team cheering, but they need to do so in a respectable manner, especially if you're going to sit on the home team's side.  So, the more this person went on, the more irritated I got and entered into a bit of cheer sparring, if you will...nothing better than a loudmouth fan suddenly becoming as quiet as a church mouse when they know that their team is going to lose...serves 'em right, I say!  That wasn't you, MW_Eagles, was it? :)

Oh no, that wasn't me!  Roads were pretty bad, so I watched from home in Richmond.    Sorry to hear that though.    That game was frustrating.    Decent start by MW, but as soon as CNU started to make a little run, MW started throwing up some terrible shots.   Shaw can't do it all himself.    Good win for CNU though.   Looks like CNU and Salisbury will fight for 2/3 seeds.  Hopefully MW can stay in the top 4 to at least get a home game.

Madison ended up having a solid game...we know Johnson can shoot, but he's going to have a hard time getting his shot off consistently against a good man to man defense.  As far as the seeding goes, anything can happen...you're right, though, you definitely want to be one of the top 4 seeds.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MW_Eagles on January 18, 2018, 05:01:30 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on January 18, 2018, 02:09:11 PM
Quote from: MW_Eagles on January 18, 2018, 01:23:35 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on January 18, 2018, 11:49:49 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on January 15, 2018, 08:35:39 AM
Quote from: MW_Eagles on January 13, 2018, 08:49:25 PM
Looks like a pretty big game in Newport News on Wednesday between Mary Washington and Christopher Newport.  I'm going to try and make it down.

No doubt...should be a good one!

GO CAPS!

Did you make it to the game, MW_Eagles?  The family and I ventured out to the Free on a pretty nasty evening...glad we did, though, as there was a good crowd and the Captains played well the last 25 minutes.  McFarland had another bad game, but the young'uns proved they can win w/out him against a quality opponent...Aigner and Ellis hit some nice 3s and the defense kept Johnson and Shaw in check, for the most part...a solid team win.  I absolutely love Brock Geiman, number 35...he's quick, confident and savvy for a freshman...he needs to play more, in my opinion.  It's time for a little payback at FSU on Saturday...have to win at home and steal 'em on the road!

GO CAPS!

I just have to vent a little...last night there was a loud, obnoxious UMW fan sitting right behind me.  I have no problem w/a fan of the opposing team cheering, but they need to do so in a respectable manner, especially if you're going to sit on the home team's side.  So, the more this person went on, the more irritated I got and entered into a bit of cheer sparring, if you will...nothing better than a loudmouth fan suddenly becoming as quiet as a church mouse when they know that their team is going to lose...serves 'em right, I say!  That wasn't you, MW_Eagles, was it? :)

Oh no, that wasn't me!  Roads were pretty bad, so I watched from home in Richmond.    Sorry to hear that though.    That game was frustrating.    Decent start by MW, but as soon as CNU started to make a little run, MW started throwing up some terrible shots.   Shaw can't do it all himself.    Good win for CNU though.   Looks like CNU and Salisbury will fight for 2/3 seeds.  Hopefully MW can stay in the top 4 to at least get a home game.

Madison ended up having a solid game...we know Johnson can shoot, but he's going to have a hard time getting his shot off consistently against a good man to man defense.  As far as the seeding goes, anything can happen...you're right, though, you definitely want to be one of the top 4 seeds.

Yeah, I'm glad Madison came back.   When they methodically run their offense, they generally create good shots (which is obviously true for any team).  Last night they seemed to panic and were throwing things up early in the shot clock.   They have another tough one at home this weekend against York.  Played them tough on the road, actually had a decent lead in the 2nd half and lost at the end.  Really tight race in slots 2-6 right now.   Should be a fun 2nd half of conference play!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MW_Eagles on January 20, 2018, 05:30:23 PM
Wow!  Nice win for Mary Washington today.   Didn't get to watch much, but knocked off #4 York!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: guest323 on January 21, 2018, 10:55:23 PM
Quote from: MW_Eagles on January 20, 2018, 05:30:23 PM
Wow!  Nice win for Mary Washington today.   Didn't get to watch much, but knocked off #4 York!

Beating an undefeated team in any regard is a nice win.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on January 22, 2018, 08:22:40 AM
Quote from: MW_Eagles on January 20, 2018, 05:30:23 PM
Wow!  Nice win for Mary Washington today.   Didn't get to watch much, but knocked off #4 York!

That was a great win...congrats!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on January 22, 2018, 08:40:09 AM
I read where CNU was down by 16 at Frostburg in the first half...they had closed the gap to 3 by halftime and won by 5...the boys really showed some resiliency and pulled it off, but I wasn't expecting it to be that tight.  Even w/UMW beating York, they'll still be tough to catch....

GO CAPS!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cmackowiakSGSN on January 22, 2018, 05:21:11 PM
Below is my first edition of 'Sea Gull Bracketology' for the 2017-18 season for The Flyer, the student newspaper at Salisbury University. It features analysis of the non-conference schedule for Salisbury and also the general blueprint of the Capital Athletic Conference. Let me know what you think!

https://thesuflyer.com/2018/01/22/2018-sea-gull-bracketology-jan-22/ (https://thesuflyer.com/2018/01/22/2018-sea-gull-bracketology-jan-22/)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on January 23, 2018, 08:48:01 AM
Quote from: cmackowiakSGSN on January 22, 2018, 05:21:11 PM
Below is my first edition of 'Sea Gull Bracketology' for the 2017-18 season for The Flyer, the student newspaper at Salisbury University. It features analysis of the non-conference schedule for Salisbury and also the general blueprint of the Capital Athletic Conference. Let me know what you think!

https://thesuflyer.com/2018/01/22/2018-sea-gull-bracketology-jan-22/ (https://thesuflyer.com/2018/01/22/2018-sea-gull-bracketology-jan-22/)

Very nice article, Chris...CNU won at R-MC, which isn't easy, so I'd add that as a key win for the Captains. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cmackowiakSGSN on January 23, 2018, 11:31:22 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on January 23, 2018, 08:48:01 AM
Quote from: cmackowiakSGSN on January 22, 2018, 05:21:11 PM
Below is my first edition of 'Sea Gull Bracketology' for the 2017-18 season for The Flyer, the student newspaper at Salisbury University. It features analysis of the non-conference schedule for Salisbury and also the general blueprint of the Capital Athletic Conference. Let me know what you think!

https://thesuflyer.com/2018/01/22/2018-sea-gull-bracketology-jan-22/ (https://thesuflyer.com/2018/01/22/2018-sea-gull-bracketology-jan-22/)

Very nice article, Chris...CNU won at R-MC, which isn't easy, so I'd add that as a key win for the Captains. :)

Thanks! I must have overlooked that. I do remember that victory and agree. I'll make sure to add it in there, good catch
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on January 24, 2018, 02:57:20 PM
This week's Around the Mid-Atlantic column covers the York Spartans. Enjoy.

http://d3hoops.com/columns/around-the-region/mid-atlantic/2017-18/york-hail-goofballs
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on January 25, 2018, 09:06:28 AM
Wow, York lost at FSU...looks like the Bobcats had a very good night shooting the ball...the conference race just tightened up!

CNU, w/a solid second half, pulled away from SMC, who's better than their record...still don't understand why that program's taken such a nosedive.  The Captains will be at Wesley on Saturday, which makes me nervous...the Wolverines aren't bad, and their gym is a tough place to play...not to mention that this could be a trap game, as CNU will be at Salisbury next Wednesday...buckle up, folks!

GO CAPS!



Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 25, 2018, 09:40:12 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on January 25, 2018, 09:06:28 AM
Wow, York lost at FSU...looks like the Bobcats had a very good night shooting the ball...the conference race just tightened up!

CNU, w/a solid second half, pulled away from SMC, who's better than their record...still don't understand why that program's taken such a nosedive.  The Captains will be at Wesley on Saturday, which makes me nervous...the Wolverines aren't bad, and their gym is a tough place to play...not to mention that this could be a trap game, as CNU will be at Salisbury next Wednesday...buckle up, folks!

GO CAPS!

York did not appear to care that much on defense.  Gotta bring it every night.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on January 29, 2018, 08:57:11 AM
Very nice win for UMW at SU...Christopher Newport at Salisbury Wednesday night is HUGE!  If the Captains win, they'll be in sole possession of second place and will have swept the Gulls, but it won't be easy...I'm expecting another classic battle!

Also wanted to mention that CNU played a good second half at Wesley and pulled away to win comfortably...could the boys be coming together?  We'll find out soon enough....

GO CAPS! 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MW_Eagles on January 29, 2018, 10:00:44 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on January 29, 2018, 08:57:11 AM
Very nice win for UMW at SU...Christopher Newport at Salisbury Wednesday night is HUGE!  If the Captains win, they'll be in sole possession of second place and will have swept the Gulls, but it won't be easy...I'm expecting another classic battle!

Also wanted to mention that CNU played a good second half at Wesley and pulled away to win comfortably...could the boys be coming together?  We'll find out soon enough....

GO CAPS!

Very happy with the Eagles win.  Especially on the road.   Fought back from down 9 at half with a big second half.    Looking forward to that Salisbury/CNU game!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on January 31, 2018, 08:11:48 AM
GAME DAY!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on February 01, 2018, 08:48:14 AM
Alright, alright, alright...HUGE win last night for CNU!  That puts 'em in sole possession of second place and one game behind York...don't want to look too far ahead, 'cause they're all big, but the game at UMW is looming large.

GO CAPS!

Also, just wanted to mention that I thought the Salisbury announcers were good...impartial and knowledgeable.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MW_Eagles on February 01, 2018, 10:45:17 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on February 01, 2018, 08:48:14 AM
Alright, alright, alright...HUGE win last night for CNU!  That puts 'em in sole possession of second place and one game behind York...don't want to look too far ahead, 'cause they're all big, but the game at UMW is looming large.

GO CAPS!

Also, just wanted to mention that I thought the Salisbury announcers were good...impartial and knowledgeable.

The top 4 is now very tight.   York with some tough games left with Salisbury and CNU.   Would love for UMW to sneak into 2.     I just wish the CNU/UMW game wasn't on Valentine's Day.   Not sure I can sell my wife on a trip to Fredericksburg for Valentine's Day   ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on February 05, 2018, 08:28:38 AM
That one hurt...both teams played well, but Marymount made shots when they really counted...all CNU can do is tip their cap to the Saints and move on.  The battle for spots two through four just got more interesting....

GO CAPS!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on February 07, 2018, 04:39:05 PM
Not sure why Hopkins is in front of CNU...JH has a slightly better record, while CN has a slightly better SOS, but the Captains beat 'em head to head!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 07, 2018, 05:43:54 PM
Men's first regional rankings this season: http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2018/02/men-regional-rankings-first
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cmackowiakSGSN on February 08, 2018, 10:33:58 AM
On Saturday, Salisbury senior forward Chad Barcikowski will travel with the team to face #7 York (Pa.). Last week I had a chance to sit down with Barcikowski to talk about his journey to SU and his progression to his senior year today

https://thesuflyer.com/2018/02/01/from-spartan-to-sachs-sea-gull-barcikowskis-journey/
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on February 08, 2018, 11:59:36 AM
Quote from: cmackowiakSGSN on February 08, 2018, 10:33:58 AM
On Saturday, Salisbury senior forward Chad Barcikowski will travel with the team to face #7 York (Pa.). Last week I had a chance to sit down with Barcikowski to talk about his journey to SU and his progression to his senior year today

https://thesuflyer.com/2018/02/01/from-spartan-to-sachs-sea-gull-barcikowskis-journey/

Good stuff!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ronk on February 08, 2018, 03:16:08 PM
Quote from: cmackowiakSGSN on February 08, 2018, 10:33:58 AM
On Saturday, Salisbury senior forward Chad Barcikowski will travel with the team to face #7 York (Pa.). Last week I had a chance to sit down with Barcikowski to talk about his journey to SU and his progression to his senior year today

https://thesuflyer.com/2018/02/01/from-spartan-to-sachs-sea-gull-barcikowskis-journey/

5 years ago, Chad was 1 of my prospects; glad to see it worked out for him @ Salisbury like Jason Witmer and Johnny Fierstein.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: jesskleangda on February 08, 2018, 05:40:45 PM
What are the chances of UMW getting into the regional rankings?  They are one of the hottest teams in the region right now.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MW_Eagles on February 08, 2018, 09:47:40 PM
Quote from: jesskleangda on February 08, 2018, 05:40:45 PM
What are the chances of UMW getting into the regional rankings?  They are one of the hottest teams in the region right now.

I'm not sure about the rankings.  I'd imagine the Carnegie Mellon loss is killing them right now.   That was a bad one.   On a nice streak right now though and got to avenge the earlier loss to Frostburg tonight.    3 way tie for 2nd!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 08, 2018, 10:50:36 PM
Mary Wash has a .506 SOS ... that isn't helping them either. Maybe their vRRO will help them, but I haven't looked to see how they will do with that. Certainly wins over YCP and others are helpful, but maybe not enough to overcome that SOS.

BTW - not sure the Carnegie Mellon game is having any impact whatsoever.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on February 09, 2018, 08:56:57 AM
Quote from: jesskleangda on February 08, 2018, 05:40:45 PM
What are the chances of UMW getting into the regional rankings?  They are one of the hottest teams in the region right now.

I agree that UMW is playing well...I'm already nervous about CNU's upcoming visit to Fredericksburg.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cmackowiakSGSN on February 12, 2018, 08:15:50 AM
New bleachers are set to come to Salisbury's Maggs Gym in May; SU Athletics leadership has started a community petition to make a new indoor facility a 'top priority.' I sat down with SU Athletics Director Dr. Gerry DiBartolo to discuss it all.

https://thesuflyer.com/2018/02/12/petition-circulates-as-su-athletics-backs-new-indoor-facility/
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on February 12, 2018, 09:32:30 AM
Well, Mary Washington losing at Wesley and Salisbury winning at York were a couple of unexpected results...CNU definitely has the toughest two games left, but if they can find a way to win 'em, that would create a 3 way tie for first, as I expect Salisbury to win out...two HUGE games to go first, so let's see what happens.

GO CAPS!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on February 14, 2018, 10:04:09 AM
GAME DAY!

Needless to say, tonight's game is really BIG...if CNU can win, I like their chances Saturday night...if not, they'll need an extremely short memory!

GO CAPS!

Where are the UMW fans?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MW_Eagles on February 14, 2018, 12:05:26 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on February 14, 2018, 10:04:09 AM
GAME DAY!

Needless to say, tonight's game is really BIG...if CNU can win, I like their chances Saturday night...if not, they'll need an extremely short memory!

GO CAPS!

Where are the UMW fans?

This is a big one for both sides.   UMW could maybe sneak into 3rd if the chips fall right.   I hope UMW can bounce back from a really tough loss (half court buzzer beater) to Wesley.    Should be a great crowd!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on February 14, 2018, 01:10:59 PM
Quote from: MW_Eagles on February 14, 2018, 12:05:26 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on February 14, 2018, 10:04:09 AM
GAME DAY!

Needless to say, tonight's game is really BIG...if CNU can win, I like their chances Saturday night...if not, they'll need an extremely short memory!

GO CAPS!

Where are the UMW fans?

This is a big one for both sides.   UMW could maybe sneak into 3rd if the chips fall right.   I hope UMW can bounce back from a really tough loss (half court buzzer beater) to Wesley.    Should be a great crowd!

Yep, that's a gut wrenching way to lose....
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 14, 2018, 02:03:22 PM
Week 2 Regional Rankings are out: http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2018/02/men-regional-rankings-second
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on February 15, 2018, 08:37:28 AM
Great win last night for CNU...I knew it was gonna be tough, but they pulled it out, which I thought was imperative leading into the home finale against York.  The CNU write-up said the winner on Saturday would be the #1 seed...now, if the Captains were to win, they would technically be tied w/York in the conference standings, but I think CNU's sweep of Salisbury would give them the nod...Saturday should be a fun day at the Free!

GO CAPS!

Also, I was surprised to see that Salisbury lost at Wesley...I figured they would finish strong after winning at York.  Speaking of York, they seem to be struggling...I'm sure they'll be ready Saturday, though.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 15, 2018, 09:20:52 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on February 15, 2018, 08:37:28 AM
Great win last night for CNU...I knew it was gonna be tough, but they pulled it out, which I thought was imperative leading into the home finale against York.  The CNU write-up said the winner on Saturday would be the #1 seed...now, if the Captains were to win, they would technically be tied w/York in the conference standings, but I think CNU's sweep of Salisbury would give them the nod...Saturday should be a fun day at the Free!

GO CAPS!

Also, I was surprised to see that Salisbury lost at Wesley...I figured they would finish strong after winning at York.  Speaking of York, they seem to be struggling...I'm sure they'll be ready Saturday, though.

Wesley was defending the D3 Championship Belt.  I'm sure that made the difference.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MW_Eagles on February 15, 2018, 09:39:11 AM
Congrats to the Captains last night.   There was a stretch in each half when CNU seemingly couldn't miss 3s and MW couldn't recover.  Made it interesting at least.   Should be a great game on Saturday in Newport News.  Good luck!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on February 15, 2018, 09:54:45 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 15, 2018, 09:20:52 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on February 15, 2018, 08:37:28 AM
Great win last night for CNU...I knew it was gonna be tough, but they pulled it out, which I thought was imperative leading into the home finale against York.  The CNU write-up said the winner on Saturday would be the #1 seed...now, if the Captains were to win, they would technically be tied w/York in the conference standings, but I think CNU's sweep of Salisbury would give them the nod...Saturday should be a fun day at the Free!

GO CAPS!

Also, I was surprised to see that Salisbury lost at Wesley...I figured they would finish strong after winning at York.  Speaking of York, they seem to be struggling...I'm sure they'll be ready Saturday, though.

Wesley was defending the D3 Championship Belt.  I'm sure that made the difference.

Yep, they're definitely big rivals, but I think it's more intense in football...I was surprised, but not shocked, that SU lost...Wesley ain't bad, and their gym gives 'em a little advantage.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on February 15, 2018, 09:56:39 AM
Quote from: MW_Eagles on February 15, 2018, 09:39:11 AM
Congrats to the Captains last night.   There was a stretch in each half when CNU seemingly couldn't miss 3s and MW couldn't recover.  Made it interesting at least.   Should be a great game on Saturday in Newport News.  Good luck!

Thanks, MW_Eagles...your team will be a tough out in the conference tournament!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 15, 2018, 01:44:19 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 15, 2018, 09:20:52 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on February 15, 2018, 08:37:28 AM
Great win last night for CNU...I knew it was gonna be tough, but they pulled it out, which I thought was imperative leading into the home finale against York.  The CNU write-up said the winner on Saturday would be the #1 seed...now, if the Captains were to win, they would technically be tied w/York in the conference standings, but I think CNU's sweep of Salisbury would give them the nod...Saturday should be a fun day at the Free!

GO CAPS!

Also, I was surprised to see that Salisbury lost at Wesley...I figured they would finish strong after winning at York.  Speaking of York, they seem to be struggling...I'm sure they'll be ready Saturday, though.
Wesley was defending the D3 Championship BeltTM.  I'm sure that made the difference.

Fixed it for you. You gotta watch out for those weasels... even on this board. They are are among us. ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 17, 2018, 11:12:08 PM
Congrats to Francis Tommasino, The Voice of The Captains. Tonight he broadcast his 600th CNU basketball game. I wonder how many games in total he has broadcast. He was at St. Bonaventure before CNU. (Not to mention football games!)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on February 19, 2018, 09:02:26 AM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 17, 2018, 11:12:08 PM
Congrats to Francis Tommasino, The Voice of The Captains. Tonight he broadcast his 600th CNU basketball game. I wonder how many games in total he has broadcast. He was at St. Bonaventure before CNU. (Not to mention football games!)

Where have you been, '85?

Great win for the Captains Saturday night!  Albeit a share, this marks the 3rd consecutive season CNU has won the regular season and #1 seed...hoping they can make it 3 straight conference tourney championships, but it will be tough.  A very solid Eagles team will likely visit the Free on Thursday night w/revenge on their minds...if they can slip by UMW, they'll likely see York again in a rematch for all the marbles!

Admittedly, I didn't see the Captains in this position after losing Marcus and struggling early w/some mediocre teams...I was wrong and want to congratulate the players and coaching staff on a great job...now, I hope they can keep it going, as the fun is just beginning!

Speaking of coaching...the coach from York will likely win COY, and is deserving, but you could make a case for Coach K.  Given the circumstances, what CNU has accomplished so far has been pretty impressive...more often than not, he comes up big.

Also, Spencer Marin simply has to stay out of foul trouble...the refs were pretty horrible and I think he picked up a couple of cheap ones, but he has to use his head and play solid defense w/out fouling...he was 4 of 4 from the field, but he only played 12 minutes!  CNU needs his production, and isn't as good w/out him...sorry, I had to vent!

GO CAPS! 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 19, 2018, 09:42:15 AM
I've been under the weather for about 6 weeks. Missed several home games. Just now getting back to semi-normalcy.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on February 19, 2018, 09:53:59 AM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 19, 2018, 09:42:15 AM
I've been under the weather for about 6 weeks. Missed several home games. Just now getting back to semi-normalcy.

Glad you're doing better, and just in time for the post season excitement!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: jesskleangda on February 19, 2018, 02:35:29 PM
There have been several very good coaching performances this year in this conference.  York, CNU and UMW all performed better than expected and would be deserving.  York and UMW's improvement has been tremendous.  I would bet one of those two win the award.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: spartanfan13 on February 19, 2018, 04:43:43 PM
I've been enjoying YCP basketball for many years and this season has been fun.  However, they've hit a lull at the wrong time. Early on they were playing with lots of confidence and seemed to be enjoying the game. Lately, their body language says they are playing too tight and are afraid to make mistakes. They are definitely good enough to go on a run and win the conference championship, but they can be beat in the semifinal with the way they've played lately.  If they get by the semifinal, a rematch with CNU down there will be difficult.

I wish I could give advice on how to get their MOJO back. My only suggestion is to play your game and not try to force things (easier said than done). I am hoping they enjoy the ride and put together a nice run to end the season.

Let's go Spartans!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 19, 2018, 07:21:46 PM
Been so busy, haven't had the chance to post this from last week: https://smnewsnet.com/archives/430229/update-four-students-from-st-marys-college-of-maryland-arrested-for-armed-robbery-at-college-dorm-room/

Sounds like things in St. Mary's could be ... better.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on February 20, 2018, 10:20:31 AM
Quote from: spartanfan13 on February 19, 2018, 04:43:43 PM
I've been enjoying YCP basketball for many years and this season has been fun.  However, they've hit a lull at the wrong time. Early on they were playing with lots of confidence and seemed to be enjoying the game. Lately, their body language says they are playing too tight and are afraid to make mistakes. They are definitely good enough to go on a run and win the conference championship, but they can be beat in the semifinal with the way they've played lately.  If they get by the semifinal, a rematch with CNU down there will be difficult.

I wish I could give advice on how to get their MOJO back. My only suggestion is to play your game and not try to force things (easier said than done). I am hoping they enjoy the ride and put together a nice run to end the season.

Let's go Spartans!

Stick around, spartanfan13, it's always good to hear from other fans...this board is too quiet.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on February 20, 2018, 10:45:29 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 19, 2018, 07:21:46 PM
Been so busy, haven't had the chance to post this from last week: https://smnewsnet.com/archives/430229/update-four-students-from-st-marys-college-of-maryland-arrested-for-armed-robbery-at-college-dorm-room/

Sounds like things in St. Mary's could be ... better.

Geez, that's some bad press for a program that was already struggling...what's going on at SMC?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 20, 2018, 11:03:32 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 19, 2018, 07:21:46 PM
Been so busy, haven't had the chance to post this from last week: https://smnewsnet.com/archives/430229/update-four-students-from-st-marys-college-of-maryland-arrested-for-armed-robbery-at-college-dorm-room/

Sounds like things in St. Mary's could be ... better.

Ouch!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MW_Eagles on February 20, 2018, 11:44:12 AM
Yikes, that's tough about St. Marys.   

Heading to Fredericksburg tonight for the first round game.   Frostburg scares me as they may be motivated in what could be their coach's last game.  MW played well last game against Marymount so can hopefully get by the Bobcats tonight.   Shaw played really well, and he obviously doesn't want this to be his last game.  A MW/CNU semi-final would be exciting!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MW_Eagles on February 20, 2018, 11:55:13 AM
Nice article on Shaw in the Free Lance Star :   http://www.fredericksburg.com/sports/college/mary_washington/staying-put-pays-off-for-umw-s-eric-shaw/article_20a50a4f-96ca-5a8e-8e9a-58240b8aeabb.html
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 20, 2018, 04:08:21 PM
Quote from: MW_Eagles on February 20, 2018, 11:44:12 AM
Yikes, that's tough about St. Marys.   

Heading to Fredericksburg tonight for the first round game.   Frostburg scares me as they may be motivated in what could be their coach's last game.  MW played well last game against Marymount so can hopefully get by the Bobcats tonight.   Shaw played really well, and he obviously doesn't want this to be his last game.  A MW/CNU semi-final would be exciting!

BTW. This is Frostburg's first defense of The BeltTM  ;D Let's see if they can hold on to it or will Mary Washington claw it away?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on February 21, 2018, 08:42:55 AM
Okay, the stage is set for the semifinals...will CNU ground the Eagles for a third time this season?  Will York clip the Gulls and get a little payback?  These should be two very good, competitive games!

GO CAPS!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 21, 2018, 02:45:05 PM
The NCAA men's basketball regional advisory committees released their third set of rankings, and as expected, the Atlantic Region was among those getting shuffled. Here's the full list: http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2018/02/men-regional-rankings-third

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcdnak1.psbin.com%2Fimg%2Fmw%3D600%2Fmh%3D600%2Fcr%3Dn%2Fd%3D4ima3%2Fdinflo07zg1qa2ww.jpg&hash=686d8e036c15a7019bc8f4723e2af35008adc158)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on February 22, 2018, 08:15:15 AM
GAME DAY!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 22, 2018, 09:39:24 PM
Cut himself missing a dunk. More on that later
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 22, 2018, 10:46:58 PM
Ok. So my observations. First off, MW is a very good team. Little depth hurts them. Kudos for 19 wins. Now, dunks. During pregame warmups MW spent most of the time dunking. Maybe 30 dunks. Also missed about that many. I never understood that. That's like practicing 1ft putts. Why bother?

With 10:46 left in first half the score is 25-7. MW is 3-13 from the floor and 0-2 from the stripe.

After halftime, warmups commenced. First guy dunks it. I don't get it. MW finished with 22 two point buckets.....and 23 fouls. More fouls than 2 pointers.

I would focus warmups on shots taken in the game.  But that's just me.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on February 23, 2018, 08:49:49 AM
What a first half for the Captains last night...I can't remember a CNU team shooting 73% in a half as long as I've been following them!  Give the Eagles credit, though...they hung in there and cut it to 8 points in the second half, as Stewart got hot!  Fortunately, McFarland was able to stop the bleeding and provide some cushion...amazing game from Aaron!

York's coming back to the Free for all the marbles...should be a great game!

GO CAPS!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on February 23, 2018, 09:37:30 AM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 22, 2018, 10:46:58 PM
Ok. So my observations. First off, MW is a very good team. Little depth hurts them. Kudos for 19 wins. Now, dunks. During pregame warmups MW spent most of the time dunking. Maybe 30 dunks. Also missed about that many. I never understood that. That's like practicing 1ft putts. Why bother?

With 10:46 left in first half the score is 25-7. MW is 3-13 from the floor and 0-2 from the stripe.

After halftime, warmups commenced. First guy dunks it. I don't get it. MW finished with 22 two point buckets.....and 23 fouls. More fouls than 2 pointers.

I would focus warmups on shots taken in the game.  But that's just me.

I hear ya, '85...basketball is played differently today...less fundamentals and more showboating.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Goose_13 on February 23, 2018, 12:54:23 PM
For those of you familiar with SNL from the early 90s, "Here's a topic, talk among yourselves" LOL Loved that skit. Anywho, looking at the new regional rankings, if the Captains lose the CAC Championship game, do they get one of those coveted at-large bids (assuming most of the conferences go the way they are supposed to go and we all know that doesn't always happen!)?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on February 23, 2018, 01:12:47 PM
Quote from: Goose_13 on February 23, 2018, 12:54:23 PM
For those of you familiar with SNL from the early 90s, "Here's a topic, talk among yourselves" LOL Loved that skit. Anywho, looking at the new regional rankings, if the Captains lose the CAC Championship game, do they get one of those coveted at-large bids (assuming most of the conferences go the way they are supposed to go and we all know that doesn't always happen!)?

Yes, they should have a pretty good chance even if they lose....
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 23, 2018, 02:59:22 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on February 23, 2018, 09:37:30 AM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 22, 2018, 10:46:58 PM
Ok. So my observations. First off, MW is a very good team. Little depth hurts them. Kudos for 19 wins. Now, dunks. During pregame warmups MW spent most of the time dunking. Maybe 30 dunks. Also missed about that many. I never understood that. That's like practicing 1ft putts. Why bother?

With 10:46 left in first half the score is 25-7. MW is 3-13 from the floor and 0-2 from the stripe.

After halftime, warmups commenced. First guy dunks it. I don't get it. MW finished with 22 two point buckets.....and 23 fouls. More fouls than 2 pointers.

I would focus warmups on shots taken in the game.  But that's just me.

I hear ya, '85...basketball is played differently today...less fundamentals and more showboating.

But I don't see anyone else in the Freeman warm up like that
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: spartanfan13 on February 23, 2018, 03:47:15 PM
York came to play last night.  Wonder if the transportation problems that Salisbury ran into affected their game.  They looked a little sluggish.  York had that fire in their eyes and were not going to be denied.  Reminded me of their look earlier in the year.  I especially enjoyed their defensive intensity. Some nights the shots don't fall and you need the defense to step up.  I think it was the best defensive effort I've seen all season.  They were really pumped up on the defensive end. Held Barcikowski to 1 point.

On the offensive end they weren't forcing too many shots. It seemed like they were playing within themselves and taking what came in the flow of the game.  Even Darin Gordon got a chance to redeem himself. Haha.

I know that CNU will be really tough on their own floor. However, if York concentrates on defense and doesn't try to force things on offense, I like their chances.

Let's go Spartans!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: guest323 on February 24, 2018, 04:10:20 PM
nice win for York - two bid conference for sure!!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: spartanfan13 on February 24, 2018, 07:41:26 PM
So happy for the Spartans.  They will be going into the tournament on a nice roll.  I am hoping they get to host this weekend. I have to think that they have a good shot at hosting.

All 5 of the starters in double figures today.  Blayde was amazing, but I think the key to the game was Jason Bady. He went toe to toe with McFarland all afternoon and even though McFarland had 15 points, it felt like a quiet 15 to me.  He made McFarland work hard for everything and even with his outstanding defense he still managed to score 16 points of his own. I think it was extremely important that he stayed out of foul trouble.

CNU has an excellent team and I feel confident that they'll get a deserved bid. Wish the Captains well in the tournament, as long as they don't face York.

Let's go Spartans!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on February 26, 2018, 08:54:00 AM
Quote from: spartanfan13 on February 24, 2018, 07:41:26 PM
So happy for the Spartans.  They will be going into the tournament on a nice roll.  I am hoping they get to host this weekend. I have to think that they have a good shot at hosting.

All 5 of the starters in double figures today.  Blayde was amazing, but I think the key to the game was Jason Bady. He went toe to toe with McFarland all afternoon and even though McFarland had 15 points, it felt like a quiet 15 to me.  He made McFarland work hard for everything and even with his outstanding defense he still managed to score 16 points of his own. I think it was extremely important that he stayed out of foul trouble.

CNU has an excellent team and I feel confident that they'll get a deserved bid. Wish the Captains well in the tournament, as long as they don't face York.

Let's go Spartans!

Congrats, spartanfan13...York played well and deserved to win...best of luck to them and the Captains representing the CAC in the tournament!

GO CAPS!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Goose_13 on February 26, 2018, 01:07:08 PM
Hosting?! Congrats to the Captains!!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on February 26, 2018, 01:42:20 PM
Quote from: Goose_13 on February 26, 2018, 01:07:08 PM
Hosting?! Congrats to the Captains!!

Now that's a pleasant surprise...geography was on CNU's side this time, but I'll gladly take it...I'd personally like to thank E&H for winning the ODAC! ;)

Also, just glancing at the bracket briefly, I think York has a good chance to make some noise....
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 26, 2018, 04:53:47 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on February 26, 2018, 01:42:20 PM
Quote from: Goose_13 on February 26, 2018, 01:07:08 PM
Hosting?! Congrats to the Captains!!

Now that's a pleasant surprise...geography was on CNU's side this time, but I'll gladly take it...I'd personally like to thank E&H for winning the ODAC! ;)

Also, just glancing at the bracket briefly, I think York has a good chance to make some noise....

Dave's talking to Tim Fitzpatrick right now, but geography is not the issue here.  You could have done this pod at Swat with CNU as the #2 and E&H the #3 and moving F&M to Swat's current spot.

No geographic reason for it.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 26, 2018, 04:59:00 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 26, 2018, 04:53:47 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on February 26, 2018, 01:42:20 PM
Quote from: Goose_13 on February 26, 2018, 01:07:08 PM
Hosting?! Congrats to the Captains!!

Now that's a pleasant surprise...geography was on CNU's side this time, but I'll gladly take it...I'd personally like to thank E&H for winning the ODAC! ;)

Also, just glancing at the bracket briefly, I think York has a good chance to make some noise....

Dave's talking to Tim Fitzpatrick right now, but geography is not the issue here.  You could have done this pod at Swat with CNU as the #2 and E&H the #3 and moving F&M to Swat's current spot.

No geographic reason for it.

He basically said they thought it was the best hosting situation, which is probably true.  Facilities are better and they have more experience.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Goose_13 on February 26, 2018, 05:36:20 PM
Congrats to the women too!! Glad they were able to get in despite the heartbreaking buzzer beater in the CAC Championship.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on February 27, 2018, 10:09:13 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 26, 2018, 04:53:47 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on February 26, 2018, 01:42:20 PM
Quote from: Goose_13 on February 26, 2018, 01:07:08 PM
Hosting?! Congrats to the Captains!!

Now that's a pleasant surprise...geography was on CNU's side this time, but I'll gladly take it...I'd personally like to thank E&H for winning the ODAC! ;)

Also, just glancing at the bracket briefly, I think York has a good chance to make some noise....

Dave's talking to Tim Fitzpatrick right now, but geography is not the issue here.  You could have done this pod at Swat with CNU as the #2 and E&H the #3 and moving F&M to Swat's current spot.

No geographic reason for it.

Yeah, knowing that E&H was directly west of CNU, albeit a few hours, I thought CNU made sense geographically....
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on February 27, 2018, 10:17:22 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 26, 2018, 04:59:00 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 26, 2018, 04:53:47 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on February 26, 2018, 01:42:20 PM
Quote from: Goose_13 on February 26, 2018, 01:07:08 PM
Hosting?! Congrats to the Captains!!

Now that's a pleasant surprise...geography was on CNU's side this time, but I'll gladly take it...I'd personally like to thank E&H for winning the ODAC! ;)

Also, just glancing at the bracket briefly, I think York has a good chance to make some noise....

Dave's talking to Tim Fitzpatrick right now, but geography is not the issue here.  You could have done this pod at Swat with CNU as the #2 and E&H the #3 and moving F&M to Swat's current spot.

No geographic reason for it.

He basically said they thought it was the best hosting situation, which is probably true.  Facilities are better and they have more experience.

This is true, but CNU had to go to Swat last year, so that might have played a part, as well....
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 27, 2018, 11:37:29 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on February 27, 2018, 10:09:13 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 26, 2018, 04:53:47 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on February 26, 2018, 01:42:20 PM
Quote from: Goose_13 on February 26, 2018, 01:07:08 PM
Hosting?! Congrats to the Captains!!

Now that's a pleasant surprise...geography was on CNU's side this time, but I'll gladly take it...I'd personally like to thank E&H for winning the ODAC! ;)

Also, just glancing at the bracket briefly, I think York has a good chance to make some noise....

Dave's talking to Tim Fitzpatrick right now, but geography is not the issue here.  You could have done this pod at Swat with CNU as the #2 and E&H the #3 and moving F&M to Swat's current spot.

No geographic reason for it.

Yeah, knowing that E&H was directly west of CNU, albeit a few hours, I thought CNU made sense geographically....

He essentially bragged about how far teams were traveling this year - proud to mix things up, so I don't think that had much to do with it.  Swarthmore doesn't have the best set up for a weekend like this.  It was tight for the CC tourney last weekend, the lobby of the gym is compact, the lockerrooms are well placed. The seating capacity is ok, but it's less than CNU's.  If they considered those teams equal or close to equal in terms of deserving the hosting bid, CNU makes a lot more sense.  Plus, I imagine it allowed them to keep teams seeded where they wanted them to be, as well.  You'd probably have to change E&H and F&M's seeds to work it out the other way.

I'm going to track down Sam Atkinson in Salem and ask about priorities, but I get the impression they're trying to pay a lot more attention to seeding than they have in the past - at least getting teams into rough 1-2-3-4 slots in a pod where it's most deserving. That could've factored into things, too.

If CNU's hosting resume was already better, there's not a whole lot of impetus to mix the bracket up again just to accommodate the third ranked team in a region.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 27, 2018, 11:41:27 AM
CNU didn't have to go to Swarthmore just as Swarthmore isn't coming to CNU. Last year had nothing to do with this year, unless as Ryan noted, Swarthmore didn't have a great hosting resume. That said, that stuff usually isn't that highly considered until the second weekend. First weekend tends to involve "seeding" and geography along with bracket needs more than anything.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 27, 2018, 11:50:30 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 27, 2018, 11:41:27 AM
CNU didn't have to go to Swarthmore just as Swarthmore isn't coming to CNU. Last year had nothing to do with this year, unless as Ryan noted, Swarthmore didn't have a great hosting resume. That said, that stuff usually isn't that highly considered until the second weekend. First weekend tends to involve "seeding" and geography along with bracket needs more than anything.

I don't know how much they pay attention to it, but the pod they've got at CNU will be pretty well attended. F&M travels big and the last time LBC was in the tourney they brought like three busses full of students down - half the campus was there.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on February 27, 2018, 02:00:08 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 27, 2018, 11:50:30 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 27, 2018, 11:41:27 AM
CNU didn't have to go to Swarthmore just as Swarthmore isn't coming to CNU. Last year had nothing to do with this year, unless as Ryan noted, Swarthmore didn't have a great hosting resume. That said, that stuff usually isn't that highly considered until the second weekend. First weekend tends to involve "seeding" and geography along with bracket needs more than anything.

I don't know how much they pay attention to it, but the pod they've got at CNU will be pretty well attended. F&M travels big and the last time LBC was in the tourney they brought like three busses full of students down - half the campus was there.

Since when do the Amish use motorized transportation?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 27, 2018, 07:11:36 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on February 27, 2018, 02:00:08 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 27, 2018, 11:50:30 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 27, 2018, 11:41:27 AM
CNU didn't have to go to Swarthmore just as Swarthmore isn't coming to CNU. Last year had nothing to do with this year, unless as Ryan noted, Swarthmore didn't have a great hosting resume. That said, that stuff usually isn't that highly considered until the second weekend. First weekend tends to involve "seeding" and geography along with bracket needs more than anything.

I don't know how much they pay attention to it, but the pod they've got at CNU will be pretty well attended. F&M travels big and the last time LBC was in the tourney they brought like three busses full of students down - half the campus was there.

Since when do the Amish use motorized transportation?

You might be in for a surprise.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on February 28, 2018, 08:59:13 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 27, 2018, 07:11:36 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on February 27, 2018, 02:00:08 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 27, 2018, 11:50:30 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 27, 2018, 11:41:27 AM
CNU didn't have to go to Swarthmore just as Swarthmore isn't coming to CNU. Last year had nothing to do with this year, unless as Ryan noted, Swarthmore didn't have a great hosting resume. That said, that stuff usually isn't that highly considered until the second weekend. First weekend tends to involve "seeding" and geography along with bracket needs more than anything.

I don't know how much they pay attention to it, but the pod they've got at CNU will be pretty well attended. F&M travels big and the last time LBC was in the tourney they brought like three busses full of students down - half the campus was there.

Since when do the Amish use motorized transportation?

You might be in for a surprise.

Ha, ha...just having a little fun...I hope there's a great crowd!  Unfortunately, CNU's spring break is next week, so there likely won't be a lot of students there....
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 28, 2018, 10:24:15 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on February 28, 2018, 08:59:13 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 27, 2018, 07:11:36 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on February 27, 2018, 02:00:08 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 27, 2018, 11:50:30 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 27, 2018, 11:41:27 AM
CNU didn't have to go to Swarthmore just as Swarthmore isn't coming to CNU. Last year had nothing to do with this year, unless as Ryan noted, Swarthmore didn't have a great hosting resume. That said, that stuff usually isn't that highly considered until the second weekend. First weekend tends to involve "seeding" and geography along with bracket needs more than anything.

I don't know how much they pay attention to it, but the pod they've got at CNU will be pretty well attended. F&M travels big and the last time LBC was in the tourney they brought like three busses full of students down - half the campus was there.

Since when do the Amish use motorized transportation?

You might be in for a surprise.

Ha, ha...just having a little fun...I hope there's a great crowd!  Unfortunately, CNU's spring break is next week, so there likely won't be a lot of students there....

It's a lot farther than DC and their team isn't nearly as good.  I don't know how LBC will travel.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Goose_13 on February 28, 2018, 01:13:43 PM
Congrats to Aaron McFarland and Coach K for their respective end of the year CAC awards! Is it Friday night yet!?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on March 01, 2018, 08:14:31 AM
Quote from: Goose_13 on February 28, 2018, 01:13:43 PM
Congrats to Aaron McFarland and Coach K for their respective end of the year CAC awards! Is it Friday night yet!?

Indeed...well done, gentlemen!  Also, Marin made the second team...quite an accomplishment for a kid that literally sat the bench his first three years...congrats, Spencer!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: spartanfan13 on March 01, 2018, 01:35:20 PM
I'll start with conference selections.  Can't be disappointed with 2 guys on the first team, but I thought Matt Scamuffo was worthy.  Since I only see most players once a year, it's hard for me to say who he should have replaced.  He has had a nice season and career and it probably didn't help his chances that Dalton and Blayde were selected. Was also hoping that Coach Hunter was going to get COY, but I realize that Coach Krikorian did a great job keeping the Captains at the top of the conference after losing Marcus Carter. I'm sure Coach Hunter is okay with it, but he did a great job this year.  York is not that deep but he pushed the right buttons. Congratulations to all of the selectees.

Now about tomorrows game. We open the tournament at 1pm.  I am concerned that there will be a sparse crowd. Besides the fact that people are working, the students are on break. Normally do not need to worry about motivation in a game like this, but if there isn't much of a crowd that might give Yeshiva an edge.  Seems like an ideal time for their most emotional player, Jared Wagner to play an important role.

Yeshiva doesn't have the most impressive record but they are hot having won 12 of the last 13.  After the big win at CNU last week, this is no time for York to letdown. York has played extremely well the last 2 games and their defense has been a big reason why. Hope they keep up the defensive intensity.

Also want to wish the Captains well. We're pulling for you to represent the CAC well.

Let's go Spartans!  We're opening this tournament, Let's close it too!

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on March 01, 2018, 04:20:26 PM
Quote from: spartanfan13 on March 01, 2018, 01:35:20 PM
I'll start with conference selections.  Can't be disappointed with 2 guys on the first team, but I thought Matt Scamuffo was worthy.  Since I only see most players once a year, it's hard for me to say who he should have replaced.  He has had a nice season and career and it probably didn't help his chances that Dalton and Blayde were selected. Was also hoping that Coach Hunter was going to get COY, but I realize that Coach Krikorian did a great job keeping the Captains at the top of the conference after losing Marcus Carter. I'm sure Coach Hunter is okay with it, but he did a great job this year.  York is not that deep but he pushed the right buttons. Congratulations to all of the selectees.

Now about tomorrows game. We open the tournament at 1pm.  I am concerned that there will be a sparse crowd. Besides the fact that people are working, the students are on break. Normally do not need to worry about motivation in a game like this, but if there isn't much of a crowd that might give Yeshiva an edge.  Seems like an ideal time for their most emotional player, Jared Wagner to play an important role.

Yeshiva doesn't have the most impressive record but they are hot having won 12 of the last 13.  After the big win at CNU last week, this is no time for York to letdown. York has played extremely well the last 2 games and their defense has been a big reason why. Hope they keep up the defensive intensity.

Also want to wish the Captains well. We're pulling for you to represent the CAC well.

Let's go Spartans!  We're opening this tournament, Let's close it too!

I like that!  Ryan picked York to make it to the Final Four, and I tend to agree...good luck!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on March 02, 2018, 03:54:14 PM
York wins first game of Tourney! Congrats!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on March 02, 2018, 03:56:09 PM
Interesting first round at CNU. 2 teams coming from my mother-in-law's hometown!

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on March 02, 2018, 10:24:36 PM
I'm not sure what I watched tonight. A disjointed game. Statistically, CNU looked good. On the court, not so much. And LBC is confusing to watch and understand. They looked awkward and not very athletic, but have won 22 games. Maybe they were having an off night as well. If CNU puts in a game like that tomorrow, we lose by 25. An ugly W.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: spartanfan13 on March 03, 2018, 11:07:44 AM
Happy to get a "W" yesterday. At this time of year, that's all that matters.  I am glad they don't give style points. York clearly had a physical advantage, but kudos to Yeshiva because we couldn't put them away.  Yeshiva had nice fan support. Very well represented.  Nice crowd considering everything. If we play the same tonight, we'll be in for a rough time. We missed a lot of defensive assignments. They shot lots of uncontested layups.

I watched Hamilton defeat Nazareth and they look tough. They are quick and big.  #24 Gilmour looks like the real deal, I imagine it will be Jason's task to slow him down. #30 and #44 took it to the hoop and created lots of points in the paint. They play in a very tough conference NESCAC, and their conference went 4-0 in the opening round.  You know that means that they've played some very tough competition this year.  It looks like they had a similar season to York.  Started 15-0, but then some tough conference losses.  I am expecting an exciting close game.

Even though I am expecting a tough game, I am also expecting York to find a way to win on their home court. I also expect our seniors to lead the way.
I've noticed that Matt seems to be taking it to the basket more, since everyone concentrates on stopping his 3pt shots, he has been able to convert some easy shots or kick it out to an open shooter if nothing opens up. Even though I love the defense that Jason plays, I hope he uses his quickness to also go to the hoop.  Create some foul trouble for their bigs.  Because of their height, I feel this might be a game that Joey P. plays a big part.

I am one who feels defense wins championships. If we do that, we win.

Let's go Spartans!


Congrats to CNU on their victory last night. Do it again tonight.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on March 03, 2018, 09:37:53 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on March 02, 2018, 10:24:36 PM
I'm not sure what I watched tonight. A disjointed game. Statistically, CNU looked good. On the court, not so much. And LBC is confusing to watch and understand. They looked awkward and not very athletic, but have won 22 games. Maybe they were having an off night as well. If CNU puts in a game like that tomorrow, we lose by 25. An ugly W.

"LBC is confusing to watch and understand. They looked awkward and not very athletic"

Having watched LBC about 10 times this year, just like you said about CNU, I'd say they were off. Herbie Brown (13 points and 10 boards) is getting overseas looks to play and do a mission (these guys are very faith based). Majok was nursing an in injury but can leap out of the building and had 12 points, 5 boards and 5 steals. Davis had 11 boards and 7 offensive. Livezey might not look the part (and I mean nothing by that as I know you didn't either in the 'non-athletic' comment) but did have 15 points and 5 assists. LBC doubled CNU up on the offensive boards (16-8) and steals (12-6).

Both benches were pretty much non-factors. It really came down to CNU shooting better and McFarland. Truthfully, given this CNU team, this year's LBC team (not as good as the last two year's when they beat F&M by 28 and lost by 3 in OT) and playing the game at CNU...................I really didn't think it would be this close.

Franklin & Marshall is very beatable, especially given CNU has the homecourt advantage. Good luck.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on March 05, 2018, 09:44:59 AM
LBC was better than I thought...as '85 mentioned, CNU didn't play their best, but it seems that LBC didn't either...thank goodness Femi redeemed himself w/that three!

I'm sure everyone that follows D3 basketball closely is aware of the tradition and history of F&M's program...that's the first time I'd seen them play and, honestly, it was kinda neat to watch them and their coach, who's a legend.  Anyway, the difference in the game was F&M's defense in the second half...they took CNU completely out of their offense and made it difficult to do anything.  Congrats to them and good luck....

It's always disappointing when your team loses to end the season, but CNU fans have to be proud of what this team was able to accomplish, especially under the circumstances.  I'll miss watching McFarland nail those bombs...the best pure shooter CNU's men have ever had, in my opinion...thanks, and good luck to him and Spencer in the future!

GO CAPS!

Also, sorry to see that York lost...somewhat of a disappointing tourney for the CAC.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: jesskleangda on March 06, 2018, 12:43:02 PM
I ALREADY CANNOT WAIT FOR NEXT SEASON.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cmackowiakSGSN on March 06, 2018, 01:50:32 PM
I wrote this article for Salisbury University's The Flyer as a cap on the 2017-18 season for the Salisbury men's basketball team. I talked with Coach Sachs about his reaction to the season and what to look for in the returning players back in the fall.

https://thesuflyer.com/2018/03/06/salisbury-mbk-2017-18-season-takeaways/
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on March 07, 2018, 02:13:00 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on March 03, 2018, 09:37:53 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on March 02, 2018, 10:24:36 PM
I'm not sure what I watched tonight. A disjointed game. Statistically, CNU looked good. On the court, not so much. And LBC is confusing to watch and understand. They looked awkward and not very athletic, but have won 22 games. Maybe they were having an off night as well. If CNU puts in a game like that tomorrow, we lose by 25. An ugly W.

"LBC is confusing to watch and understand. They looked awkward and not very athletic"

Having watched LBC about 10 times this year, just like you said about CNU, I'd say they were off. Herbie Brown (13 points and 10 boards) is getting overseas looks to play and do a mission (these guys are very faith based). Majok was nursing an in injury but can leap out of the building and had 12 points, 5 boards and 5 steals. Davis had 11 boards and 7 offensive. Livezey might not look the part (and I mean nothing by that as I know you didn't either in the 'non-athletic' comment) but did have 15 points and 5 assists. LBC doubled CNU up on the offensive boards (16-8) and steals (12-6).

Both benches were pretty much non-factors. It really came down to CNU shooting better and McFarland. Truthfully, given this CNU team, this year's LBC team (not as good as the last two year's when they beat F&M by 28 and lost by 3 in OT) and playing the game at CNU...................I really didn't think it would be this close.

Franklin & Marshall is very beatable, especially given CNU has the homecourt advantage. Good luck.

Thanks for the information. I looked at the stats for the game and it was just weird....maybe this fan had an "off" night watching. What I thought I was seeing on the court was not what the stats told me. Just weird. And LBC has to be good to win that many games and get in the NCAA. And some plays they were just on fire....then they had a hard time walking to the bench without tripping. It was just a strange game to watch.  I had the live stats on my phone during the game and I was trying to connect the dots. I failed. I left thinking I knew nothing about the game of hoops!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Mike Rejniak on March 12, 2018, 11:26:07 AM
​Dear D3 Faithful ;D,
     I have read many of your posts throughout the years and even met some of you in person, but for those who I haven't met, let me introduce myself: my name is Michael Rejniak and I have spent over 14 years coaching Division 3 basketball and love what our division has done and continues to do for  the sport of basketball. One of the greatest things about Division 3 basketball is the brotherhood that we all have with one another (coaches and players alike). My wish is to showcase the talents of D3 on a national stage in The Basketball Tournament (TBT).  You may have heard me speak about this on the Hoopsville Marathon with Dave McHugh of D3hoops.com (at the 6:11 mark). The TBT is a national tournament that is televised in July/August on ESPN after the NBA season is over. My goal is to put forth an all-star D3 team (current players are ineligible) and have them compete in this tournament to take on Former D1 / semi-pro's to prove that D3 deserves the same respect as other NCAA divisions. The team is mostly complete with former student-athletes from all over the country competing. Once the roster is complete we will be sure to release it through d3hoops. Former Babson College National Champion Matthew Droney '17 will also be assisting me on this journey.

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Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 12, 2018, 12:25:30 PM
FYI - this could spell disaster for the CAC: http://thebottomlinenews.com/fsu-athletic-conference-affiliation-from-the-cac-to-the-mountain-east/
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: JohnnyHoops on March 14, 2018, 04:19:41 PM
New to the board and have been thinking about this for quite a while and wanted to cool off after the season before I posted something but I think Marymount needs a change. We have underachieved and the kids deserve more. It's about the kids! We have gotten to the point where .500 is a good season. We are headed the wrong way and we need a new vision. Nice guy, but it's about the kids!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 14, 2018, 04:51:45 PM
Quote from: JohnnyHoops on March 14, 2018, 04:19:41 PM
New to the board and have been thinking about this for quite a while and wanted to cool off after the season before I posted something but I think Marymount needs a change. We have underachieved and the kids deserve more. It's about the kids! We have gotten to the point where .500 is a good season. We are headed the wrong way and we need a new vision. Nice guy, but it's about the kids!

Without making a value judgment on Coach Rogers or the rest of your post, one thing to keep in mind is that going into the new conference next year will make it difficult to gauge whether the program improves. They'll be playing a pretty different slate of opponents.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: JohnnyHoops on March 14, 2018, 05:06:51 PM
Pat, understood and really try to be as positive as possible but just frustrated about where we are right now. Shouldn't have made it public. It's about the kids! Go Saints!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 14, 2018, 05:37:07 PM
I'm not going to tell you to not voice your frustrations! Welcome to the board.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on March 14, 2018, 08:45:00 PM
Well JohnyHoops it'll be nice for someone else to post on the "mailsy" board ;D next year on the AEC child board. Welcome aboard!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on March 16, 2018, 09:41:12 AM
Congrats to Aaron. I've met him a few times. What an amazing person as well. Very personable and a great attitude about life in general!

http://cnusports.com/news/2018/3/15/mens-basketball-aaron-mcfarland-named-first-team-all-america-by-national-association-of-basketball-coaches.aspx (http://cnusports.com/news/2018/3/15/mens-basketball-aaron-mcfarland-named-first-team-all-america-by-national-association-of-basketball-coaches.aspx)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on March 16, 2018, 09:47:09 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 12, 2018, 12:25:30 PM
FYI - this could spell disaster for the CAC: http://thebottomlinenews.com/fsu-athletic-conference-affiliation-from-the-cac-to-the-mountain-east/

Interesting read. Thanks Dave!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on March 16, 2018, 09:50:20 AM
Quote from: CNU85 on March 16, 2018, 09:41:12 AM
Congrats to Aaron. I've met him a few times. What an amazing person as well. Very personable and a great attitude about life in general!

http://cnusports.com/news/2018/3/15/mens-basketball-aaron-mcfarland-named-first-team-all-america-by-national-association-of-basketball-coaches.aspx (http://cnusports.com/news/2018/3/15/mens-basketball-aaron-mcfarland-named-first-team-all-america-by-national-association-of-basketball-coaches.aspx)

Aaron's racked up a lot of nice awards/distinctions...very deserving...congrats to him!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 19, 2018, 03:10:35 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on March 16, 2018, 09:47:09 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 12, 2018, 12:25:30 PM
FYI - this could spell disaster for the CAC: http://thebottomlinenews.com/fsu-athletic-conference-affiliation-from-the-cac-to-the-mountain-east/

Interesting read. Thanks Dave!

I know for a fact this has the conference nervous. I also know that one paragraph is the most difficult thing I have read in a long time. We are supporting the CAC and looking into DII. SMH
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on March 20, 2018, 08:46:05 AM
The ODAC would be a nice fit for CNU, w/the only exception being that they're a state school, so I don't think that would ever happen...that said, I could see Mary Washington, Salisbury, St. Mary's and CNU potentially forming a conference, but finding three other members for an aq would likely be tough.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 20, 2018, 11:36:34 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on March 20, 2018, 08:46:05 AM
The ODAC would be a nice fit for CNU, w/the only exception being that they're a state school, so I don't think that would ever happen...that said, I could see Mary Washington, Salisbury, St. Mary's and CNU potentially forming a conference, but finding three other members for an aq would likely be tough.

No chance. If that was possible, CNU would have joined the ODAC a long time ago.

The problem with your theory on UMW, SAL, SMC, and CNU is simple... it already exists. They are in a conference together... forming another one does nothing for them. I don't see them enticing anyone away from the ODAC at this time. The USA South isn't going to have any I think, especially considering distance. The CAC needs to save itself and they do probably have to start looking further outside of their footprint - which makes it both interesting and complicated.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on March 20, 2018, 02:00:17 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 20, 2018, 11:36:34 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on March 20, 2018, 08:46:05 AM
The ODAC would be a nice fit for CNU, w/the only exception being that they're a state school, so I don't think that would ever happen...that said, I could see Mary Washington, Salisbury, St. Mary's and CNU potentially forming a conference, but finding three other members for an aq would likely be tough.

No chance. If that was possible, CNU would have joined the ODAC a long time ago.

The problem with your theory on UMW, SAL, SMC, and CNU is simple... it already exists. They are in a conference together... forming another one does nothing for them. I don't see them enticing anyone away from the ODAC at this time. The USA South isn't going to have any I think, especially considering distance. The CAC needs to save itself and they do probably have to start looking further outside of their footprint - which makes it both interesting and complicated.

If those four were all that was left of the CAC, I realize a name change would not benefit them...I was thinking in terms of the state supported schools sticking together and looking for other similar institutions to join them, and I think the only direction to potentially find 'em would be north.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 20, 2018, 02:03:29 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on March 20, 2018, 02:00:17 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 20, 2018, 11:36:34 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on March 20, 2018, 08:46:05 AM
The ODAC would be a nice fit for CNU, w/the only exception being that they're a state school, so I don't think that would ever happen...that said, I could see Mary Washington, Salisbury, St. Mary's and CNU potentially forming a conference, but finding three other members for an aq would likely be tough.

No chance. If that was possible, CNU would have joined the ODAC a long time ago.

The problem with your theory on UMW, SAL, SMC, and CNU is simple... it already exists. They are in a conference together... forming another one does nothing for them. I don't see them enticing anyone away from the ODAC at this time. The USA South isn't going to have any I think, especially considering distance. The CAC needs to save itself and they do probably have to start looking further outside of their footprint - which makes it both interesting and complicated.

If those four were all that was left of the CAC, I realize a name change would not benefit them...I was thinking in terms of the state supported schools sticking together and looking for other similar institutions to join them, and I think the only direction to potentially find 'em would be north.

Well... not sure where Southern Virginia would be leaving to at this point; PSU-Harrisburg is also a state school and also not sure where they would depart to at this point; York is certainly a floater at this point and could leave.

My point is... I don't think it will end up just as those four unless something radical happened and they left to create a new conference with other schools... but I don't see that happening. They certainly won't be left alone.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on March 20, 2018, 02:54:55 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 20, 2018, 02:03:29 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on March 20, 2018, 02:00:17 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 20, 2018, 11:36:34 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on March 20, 2018, 08:46:05 AM
The ODAC would be a nice fit for CNU, w/the only exception being that they're a state school, so I don't think that would ever happen...that said, I could see Mary Washington, Salisbury, St. Mary's and CNU potentially forming a conference, but finding three other members for an aq would likely be tough.

No chance. If that was possible, CNU would have joined the ODAC a long time ago.

The problem with your theory on UMW, SAL, SMC, and CNU is simple... it already exists. They are in a conference together... forming another one does nothing for them. I don't see them enticing anyone away from the ODAC at this time. The USA South isn't going to have any I think, especially considering distance. The CAC needs to save itself and they do probably have to start looking further outside of their footprint - which makes it both interesting and complicated.

If those four were all that was left of the CAC, I realize a name change would not benefit them...I was thinking in terms of the state supported schools sticking together and looking for other similar institutions to join them, and I think the only direction to potentially find 'em would be north.

Well... not sure where Southern Virginia would be leaving to at this point; PSU-Harrisburg is also a state school and also not sure where they would depart to at this point; York is certainly a floater at this point and could leave.

My point is... I don't think it will end up just as those four unless something radical happened and they left to create a new conference with other schools... but I don't see that happening. They certainly won't be left alone.

Yes, I forgot about PSU-Harrisburg, which would make five...I wonder if Rowan and Stockton could be lured away from the NJAC?  It's doubtful, but w/them being in southern NJ, their location wouldn't be too bad....
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 20, 2018, 03:33:01 PM
Maybe, but doubtful with Rowan (who has been talking about loftier plans for YEARS)... and no for Stockton. I've discussed this with some people and I don't think those schools are where the CAC or those institutions should be looking.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on March 22, 2018, 11:33:45 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 20, 2018, 03:33:01 PM
Maybe, but doubtful with Rowan (who has been talking about loftier plans for YEARS)... and no for Stockton. I've discussed this with some people and I don't think those schools are where the CAC or those institutions should be looking.

The entire thing is tricky for Va public schools. Unless you are D-1. Not many public D3 schools. Plenty of private. D2 isn't really an option either except for Conference Carolinas which is slightly better than the USA South for CNU as far as footprint. But that's not going to happen. In the sports CNU has, that would mean 160 scholarships. (with room and board that's about $4 million annually). CIAA is not an option either.

There are smarter folks than me working on this issue. They will figure out something workable.


Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on March 22, 2018, 03:40:17 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on March 22, 2018, 11:33:45 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 20, 2018, 03:33:01 PM
Maybe, but doubtful with Rowan (who has been talking about loftier plans for YEARS)... and no for Stockton. I've discussed this with some people and I don't think those schools are where the CAC or those institutions should be looking.

The entire thing is tricky for Va public schools. Unless you are D-1. Not many public D3 schools. Plenty of private. D2 isn't really an option either except for Conference Carolinas which is slightly better than the USA South for CNU as far as footprint. But that's not going to happen. In the sports CNU has, that would mean 160 scholarships. (with room and board that's about $4 million annually). CIAA is not an option either.

There are smarter folks than me working on this issue. They will figure out something workable.

Is this a hot topic right now, knowing the potential issue CNU faces?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 22, 2018, 03:48:03 PM
It is an important topic to be sure. I've talked to people in and out of the CAC... it is on the forefront of everyone's minds and well before FSU's latest "news."
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on March 26, 2018, 09:16:47 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on March 22, 2018, 03:40:17 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on March 22, 2018, 11:33:45 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 20, 2018, 03:33:01 PM
Maybe, but doubtful with Rowan (who has been talking about loftier plans for YEARS)... and no for Stockton. I've discussed this with some people and I don't think those schools are where the CAC or those institutions should be looking.

The entire thing is tricky for Va public schools. Unless you are D-1. Not many public D3 schools. Plenty of private. D2 isn't really an option either except for Conference Carolinas which is slightly better than the USA South for CNU as far as footprint. But that's not going to happen. In the sports CNU has, that would mean 160 scholarships. (with room and board that's about $4 million annually). CIAA is not an option either.

There are smarter folks than me working on this issue. They will figure out something workable.

Is this a hot topic right now, knowing the potential issue CNU faces?

What ya mean?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on March 27, 2018, 09:24:10 AM
Based on your comment, I thought you were implying that CNU has been working on this....
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on March 27, 2018, 03:39:18 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 22, 2018, 03:48:03 PM
It is an important topic to be sure. I've talked to people in and out of the CAC... it is on the forefront of everyone's minds and well before FSU's latest "news."

Dave, based on some things that I've heard over the past 12-18 months, Stevenson might not be in the MAC (or in THIS MAC as currently constructed) in a couple of years. I have not heard anything about their leaving for a specific conference.........more about becoming a part of a new or revamped conference. In reading between the tea leaves, do you think there is any CAC possibilities there OR could there be a thinning of the MAC (Commonwealth) herd with a few of the more western (actually central) schools forming a new conference with a few of the more local CAC's? It's going to be interesting for sure!!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 27, 2018, 08:35:19 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on March 27, 2018, 03:39:18 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 22, 2018, 03:48:03 PM
It is an important topic to be sure. I've talked to people in and out of the CAC... it is on the forefront of everyone's minds and well before FSU's latest "news."

Dave, based on some things that I've heard over the past 12-18 months, Stevenson might not be in the MAC (or in THIS MAC as currently constructed) in a couple of years. I have not heard anything about their leaving for a specific conference.........more about becoming a part of a new or revamped conference. In reading between the tea leaves, do you think there is any CAC possibilities there OR could there be a thinning of the MAC (Commonwealth) herd with a few of the more western (actually central) schools forming a new conference with a few of the more local CAC's? It's going to be interesting for sure!!

Whatever you hear about Stevenson, take with a grain of salt. I can't tell you how many rumors there are about Stevenson that end up being more wrong than right. It is constant and I can't tell you the last time there was one that was accurate (maybe them joining the MAC in the first place). I have enough people I talk to at Stevenson and I've stopped bring up things I hear because they start laughing when I start.

Stevenson is pretty solidly set right now. With sports like women's volleyball, men's and women's ice hockey, football, and others, it isn't that easy to form a conference. Stevenson joining anything else would HAVE to have those items solved. Ice hockey may be okay with their currently situation, but the rest are tired up with the MAC (even ice hockey to a lesser degree). For Stevenson to change to a new conference would have to be a massive move involving a lot of things coming together. I just don't see that many dance-partners for them with all that in mind.

(Notice, the new conference and many of the conferences we see come together don't have football as a factor - the only football moves we have seen of late are the kind where conferences pretty much already have the pieces in place, not creating something altogether new.)

I am not sure the CAC and any of the MAC come together. Remember the key "problem" for the CAC - they are loaded with state schools. You don't see any state schools in the MAC. That is a major hurdle whether the notions are real or completely made up (most are). I also don't see any conversations with Stevenson returning to the CAC... not by a long shot.

As for thinning of the MAC... that is a dangerous idea. Remember, they are two difference conferences in a lot of sports and losing members is not something they can easily solve. The NCAA has already given them a lot of leeway under the grandfather clause that allows the MAC to exist in the first place. The rest of the division I feel doesn't really appreciate the MAC's make-up and will have issues if thinning out of one side is solved with members from the other (which has happened on more than a few occasions).

That said, the MAC has always been a revolving door. No surprise at all to that fact. We have heard the following in the least year:
- Arcadia would be leaving for the new conference... that was then followed by them being delayed a year... I was then informed recently that they wanted to come into the new league immediately (next year), but that was quickly followed up by word that Arcadia was pulling out of the new conference altogether. Once I settled into that news, I was then informed by someone else that the Arcadia scenario hadn't been decided what-so-ever... they may still be in play. SMH
- I then heard that the new conference could be talking to Hood and Eastern - rumors primarily. They very easily could be talking to either or both, but I am not sure at all what they could be doing in the new conference. There are insane plans to try and make that conference a ten-member one. First, they need to get to eight so most if not all of their sports are secure. Ten is a much longer plan they can't be focused on right now. Hood and Eastern could be helpful, but I am not sure if either would be interested.
- The MAC has been the source of other new conferences and alignments - see the Landmark. Of course, with membership numbers so high in the overall make-up of the conference, it is easy to find some numbers in the MAC and create something.
- I am not sure if the CAC is looking to the MAC to help solve the problems. Again, CAC is made up of mainly state schools and notice the last three times schools left the CAC, it was privates who didn't want to deal with the state's, basically (I'm making that far easier an explanation for those cases just for ease here). I just don't see why any MACs would want to join the CAC, honestly. I don't see the benefit.

So... there is a lot of thoughts. I have a lot more as well, but it would mean getting further and further into the weeds.

The CAC needs to look at partners that make sense and not necessarily an easy fix. It has to be a complex fix. I suspect they will look to solve things even if FSU decides to stay. They just can't afford to not make a move right now.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on March 28, 2018, 08:28:39 AM
So who would be an example of those partners?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 28, 2018, 10:48:48 AM
Unfortunately, I have information I simply cannot share. It was gathered under the promise it was off the record and for background. Trust me when I say, I am giving as much information as I can. Once I get something more concrete, it will absolutely be said. This is not my first go-around which is both exciting and annoying. LOL
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on March 28, 2018, 01:34:03 PM
In your opinion, would these potential partners be a good fit?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 29, 2018, 12:32:38 AM
Hmm... yes. Could change the landscape a bit, but would be a good fit considering.

I think those in the CAC have to be willing to forgo the norms and realize the solution is going to be tough, but doable.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on March 30, 2018, 11:57:31 AM
Congrats to Coach K and Aaron!!

http://cnusports.com/news/2018/3/29/mens-basketball-krikorian-and-mcfarland-receive-state-honors-from-virginia-sports-information-directors.aspx (http://cnusports.com/news/2018/3/29/mens-basketball-krikorian-and-mcfarland-receive-state-honors-from-virginia-sports-information-directors.aspx)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on April 02, 2018, 12:17:33 PM
Filing this under, "interesting" - http://www.fredericksburg.com/sports/college/mary_washington/umw-parting-ways-with-athletic-director-tyler/article_578d329e-03e1-5d13-9a22-aa0b86f4022e.html
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MW_Eagles on April 02, 2018, 09:37:11 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on April 02, 2018, 12:17:33 PM
Filing this under, "interesting" - http://www.fredericksburg.com/sports/college/mary_washington/umw-parting-ways-with-athletic-director-tyler/article_578d329e-03e1-5d13-9a22-aa0b86f4022e.html

Indeed.   Will be curious to see what impact this has on Kahn as he was one of Tyler's guys he brought in.    Last season (and the addition of a couple of nice recruits)  Kahn seemed to have the program on the right track.   Hope this doesn't derail all of that. 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on April 03, 2018, 10:07:37 AM
I don't see it affecting Kahn at all. He may have been "his guy," but it isn't that has been something throughout Kahn's career. He's been his own man and gotten jobs and the work done more without Tyler than with.

There is no guarantee Tyler gets another job any time soon (I'd be surprised, honestly)... so I don't see him poaching Kahn, either.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on April 04, 2018, 07:53:50 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on April 03, 2018, 10:07:37 AM
I don't see it affecting Kahn at all. He may have been "his guy," but it isn't that has been something throughout Kahn's career. He's been his own man and gotten jobs and the work done more without Tyler than with.

There is no guarantee Tyler gets another job any time soon (I'd be surprised, honestly)... so I don't see him poaching Kahn, either.

With the roster they have and the smaller conference next year, it's prime for the taking.  No reason to get rid of a great coach.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 07, 2018, 01:57:34 PM
Frostburg St to D-2 in 2018-19...  the Capital loses a State school.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on July 08, 2018, 08:15:46 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on July 07, 2018, 01:57:34 PM
Frostburg St to D-2 in 2018-19...  the Capital loses a State school.

According to their release - https://frostburgsports.com/news/2018/7/5/general-frostburg-state-set-to-join-mountain-east-conference.aspx - it's for 2019-2020.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MW_Eagles on July 09, 2018, 12:56:39 PM
Penn State Harrisburg leaving too.   Would be curious who might be some potential targets for the CAC.  Slim pickings I'd imagine. 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on July 09, 2018, 02:25:21 PM
I have been having a lot of conversations behind the scenes... I really can't share details, but let's just say the CAC is casting a wide net.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: sunny on July 10, 2018, 07:19:42 AM
UC Santa Cruz?  ;D

Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on July 09, 2018, 02:25:21 PM
I have been having a lot of conversations behind the scenes... I really can't share details, but let's just say the CAC is casting a wide net.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on July 10, 2018, 09:40:37 AM
In terms of travel, this likely hurts CNU the most, as I'd imagine that most, if not all, of the schools the CAC is pursuing are up north.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: sunny on July 10, 2018, 10:39:31 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on July 10, 2018, 09:40:37 AM
In terms of travel, this likely hurts CNU the most, as I'd imagine that most, if not all, of the schools the CAC is pursuing are up north.

Depending on the east v. west component of "up north," it may be as bad or worse for Southern Virginia.

I have a hard time coming up with schools in any direction that would be lining up for possibly long trips to be in a conference with Salisbury, Christopher Newport, and Mary Wash (speaking in terms of all sports here, not just men's basketball) nor can I see any reasons why any other Division III conference would be rushing to take in any of them. I think a lot of the potential of "saving" the CAC lies in how committed York, Southern Virginia, and St. Mary's are to "saving the conference" as I'd imagine those three are more likely to find another home than SU/CNU/UMW are. (I understand St. Mary's is a public school, but as a small honors college, they may have a shot at finding a private-school conference willing to accept them.) IMHO, if I'm any of those three schools, I'd probably put more time and effort to finding somewhere else to go than in saving the CAC (though it's certainly worthwhile in exploring both of those paths) - partially because I think simply finding one or two schools shouldn't be enough. Losing four in roughly a year is a sign that the CAC would really need to get back to at least nine full members to find some level of comfort.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on July 10, 2018, 11:28:50 AM
Quote from: sunny on July 10, 2018, 10:39:31 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on July 10, 2018, 09:40:37 AM
In terms of travel, this likely hurts CNU the most, as I'd imagine that most, if not all, of the schools the CAC is pursuing are up north.

Depending on the east v. west component of "up north," it may be as bad or worse for Southern Virginia.

I have a hard time coming up with schools in any direction that would be lining up for possibly long trips to be in a conference with Salisbury, Christopher Newport, and Mary Wash (speaking in terms of all sports here, not just men's basketball) nor can I see any reasons why any other Division III conference would be rushing to take in any of them. I think a lot of the potential of "saving" the CAC lies in how committed York, Southern Virginia, and St. Mary's are to "saving the conference" as I'd imagine those three are more likely to find another home than SU/CNU/UMW are. (I understand St. Mary's is a public school, but as a small honors college, they may have a shot at finding a private-school conference willing to accept them.) IMHO, if I'm any of those three schools, I'd probably put more time and effort to finding somewhere else to go than in saving the CAC (though it's certainly worthwhile in exploring both of those paths) - partially because I think simply finding one or two schools shouldn't be enough. Losing four in roughly a year is a sign that the CAC would really need to get back to at least nine full members to find some level of comfort.

Well said, sunny...completely agree!  The CAC's in a tough spot, to be sure...it will be interesting to see what happens!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on July 29, 2018, 11:44:14 PM
We spoke this month with CAC Commissioner Jeff Ligney about the Capital Athletic Conference's plans following the news that Penn State-Harrisburg and Frostburg State are leaving the conference. He provided a lot of great insight into how they are approaching this challenge. You can listen to that here.

http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2018/07/atn-conference-shuffle
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on August 10, 2018, 02:24:08 PM
You knew about this, right CNU85?  CJ's great nephew...pretty neat!

https://twitter.com/TimmyWoollum

He's a good ball player, but I think the only thing he may have on Brock Geiman right now is shooting ability...still very solid, though, and comes from an excellent basketball family!

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on August 10, 2018, 03:15:08 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on August 10, 2018, 02:24:08 PM
You knew about this, right CNU85?  CJ's great nephew...pretty neat!

https://twitter.com/TimmyWoollum

He's a good ball player, but I think the only thing he may have on Brock Geiman right now is shooting ability...still very solid, though, and comes from an excellent basketball family!

Nope. Didn't know about this. Interesting.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: jesskleangda on September 13, 2018, 02:21:10 PM
I AM READY FOR BASKETBALL SEASON TO START!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on September 15, 2018, 10:13:22 PM
I didn't realize CNU's schedule was out yet...four tournaments prior to conference play, as well as the rivalry games against R-M and VW...should be fun!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: guest323 on October 02, 2018, 03:17:04 PM
Sachs placed on leave? Details??
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 02, 2018, 04:02:37 PM
Quote from: guest323 on October 02, 2018, 03:17:04 PM
Sachs placed on leave? Details??

Don't have anything more to share than what's on the front page of D3hoops.com.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on October 02, 2018, 04:40:26 PM
uh oh.....news like that is never good. If there is anything slightly positive is that he is only on leave. Most likely subject to an investigation.I remember CNU women's coach suddenly was out of a job. There was no "placed on leave".

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 02, 2018, 06:44:53 PM
That's interesting considering CNU is a public school...

But there is a process involved and Salisbury will be going through that now... we shall see.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 02, 2018, 06:50:41 PM
I'm sure it depends on the time of year. If Salisbury only recently determined it wanted to make a change or have an investigation, it makes sense that it needs to do so before practice starts. If they thought they wanted to terminate him but didn't have all of its ducks in a row, it could certainly place him on leave in the interim.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 02, 2018, 08:38:14 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 02, 2018, 06:50:41 PM
I'm sure it depends on the time of year. If Salisbury only recently determined it wanted to make a change or have an investigation, it makes sense that it needs to do so before practice starts. If they thought they wanted to terminate him but didn't have all of its ducks in a row, it could certainly place him on leave in the interim.

Very good point. It is pretty amazing how many different scenarios exist and at different places. It is hard to compare across the board as a result.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on October 03, 2018, 11:45:50 AM
SU's already removed Sachs from their basketball page...maybe it's nothing, but that doesn't seem good to me.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 03, 2018, 01:33:20 PM
For most schools... that's the proper procedure. I know one who didn't do that and had an interim... it caused some confusion.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 04, 2018, 06:27:15 AM

Also, if there's some procedure on campus for him to appeal, a leave is often the best an AD can do, even if they really want to fire him.  It being leave as opposed to a dismissal probably means whatever they don't like isn't too egregious.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cmackowiakSGSN on October 04, 2018, 04:54:53 PM
Salisbury University men's basketball interim head coach Brian McDermott was introduced to the media today, just two days after he was named to the position. Here is what he had to say:

https://thesuflyer.com/2018/10/04/su-mbk-interim-head-coach-mcdermott-makes-first-appearance/ (https://thesuflyer.com/2018/10/04/su-mbk-interim-head-coach-mcdermott-makes-first-appearance/)

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on October 11, 2018, 10:36:28 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 04, 2018, 06:27:15 AM

Also, if there's some procedure on campus for him to appeal, a leave is often the best an AD can do, even if they really want to fire him.  It being leave as opposed to a dismissal probably means whatever they don't like isn't too egregious.


Is there any update on this?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 11, 2018, 11:32:08 AM
Waiting out the process...
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 11, 2018, 03:03:20 PM
Preseason men's Top 25 is out!
http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2018/10/preseason-mens-top-25
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on October 12, 2018, 10:03:58 AM
CNU posted their roster...going to be inexperienced down low...lots of guards/wings...hoping Carter has a big year!

GO CAPS!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cmackowiakSGSN on October 18, 2018, 01:36:41 PM
The Salisbury University basketball teams will see their first opposition on the court in a double-header exhibition event, the 10 Mile Tipoff, coming up on Nov. 1. Here are some thoughts from both SU head coaches on their games against the University of Maryland - Eastern Shore.

https://thesuflyer.com/2018/10/17/su-basketball-teams-prepare-for-season-with-10-mile-tipoff/ (https://thesuflyer.com/2018/10/17/su-basketball-teams-prepare-for-season-with-10-mile-tipoff/)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on October 19, 2018, 02:48:13 PM
CNU Alumni game is tomorrow. I think the Alimni win big! Any team with Selden on it wins!!!

https://www.cnusports.com/news/2018/10/18/mens-basketball-alumni-game-set-for-saturday-afternoon-at-the-freeman-center.aspx (https://www.cnusports.com/news/2018/10/18/mens-basketball-alumni-game-set-for-saturday-afternoon-at-the-freeman-center.aspx)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on October 20, 2018, 05:02:30 PM
Watching alumni game at CNU. Interesting. Competitive. Then I was made aware the alumni team has 4 of the top 10 scorers in team history. Just saw a CNU Freshman commit a foul and one of the alumni was coaching him on the court during the game. Way cool.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on October 22, 2018, 01:37:05 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on October 20, 2018, 05:02:30 PM
Watching alumni game at CNU. Interesting. Competitive. Then I was made aware the alumni team has 4 of the top 10 scorers in team history. Just saw a CNU Freshman commit a foul and one of the alumni was coaching him on the court during the game. Way cool.

Who won?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on October 23, 2018, 08:23:04 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on October 22, 2018, 01:37:05 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on October 20, 2018, 05:02:30 PM
Watching alumni game at CNU. Interesting. Competitive. Then I was made aware the alumni team has 4 of the top 10 scorers in team history. Just saw a CNU Freshman commit a foul and one of the alumni was coaching him on the court during the game. Way cool.

Who won?

CNU team beat the Alum.....80-73. Funny thing... Mike Cherry had 8 fouls!!! hahahaha!!!! CNU has enough players for hockey line changes. the bench looks like loooong!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on October 23, 2018, 09:14:15 AM
Quote from: CNU85 on October 23, 2018, 08:23:04 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on October 22, 2018, 01:37:05 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on October 20, 2018, 05:02:30 PM
Watching alumni game at CNU. Interesting. Competitive. Then I was made aware the alumni team has 4 of the top 10 scorers in team history. Just saw a CNU Freshman commit a foul and one of the alumni was coaching him on the court during the game. Way cool.

Who won?

CNU team beat the Alum.....80-73. Funny thing... Mike Cherry had 8 fouls!!! hahahaha!!!! CNU has enough players for hockey line changes. the bench looks like loooong!!!!

I'm hoping Carter will lead a nice group of returning players and newcomers to a strong season...time will tell.

GO CAPS!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on October 24, 2018, 09:35:35 AM
Still no update at Salibsury on what happened? A local high school coach said (Salisbury is recruiting one of his players) the firing/leave or whatever you'd wish to call it, was in fact due to misrepresenting either camp revenue and/or misrepresenting camp insurance and it's payment. Any clarification here?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 24, 2018, 12:33:52 PM
Quote from: CCHoopster on October 24, 2018, 09:35:35 AM
Still no update at Salibsury on what happened? A local high school coach said (Salisbury is recruiting one of his players) the firing/leave or whatever you'd wish to call it, was in fact due to misrepresenting either camp revenue and/or misrepresenting camp insurance and it's payment. Any clarification here?

First, we have not gotten an answer on where things stand, though I expect it to be wrapped up soon (of course, I've said the same thing about the UWSP investigation going on two years now).

Secondly, I cannot confirm or deny the last part. There are parts of this that are caught up in the process and not available for public comment. What I have learned is off the record ... for now.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 24, 2018, 02:43:12 PM
That's totally the sort of thing that a school would get all up in arms about, a state school probably even more so. When I first heard about the situation and the timing, that was one of the things that came to mind.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on October 24, 2018, 02:51:47 PM
My "still no update" was not directed towards D3H. I thought after 3 weeks there would be something put out, especially now that teams are a week into the season, by the institution. 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 24, 2018, 02:54:57 PM
Quote from: CCHoopster on October 24, 2018, 02:51:47 PM
My "still no update" was not directed towards D3H. I thought after 3 weeks there would be something put out, especially now that teams are a week into the season, by the institution.

Can't put anything out if the process isn't over. The process isn't over. Being a state school, they have a far more specific way things have to be conducted in the system than private schools. From what I'm gathering, it may be another week or two before it is all wrapped up.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on October 24, 2018, 03:05:35 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 24, 2018, 02:54:57 PM
Quote from: CCHoopster on October 24, 2018, 02:51:47 PM
My "still no update" was not directed towards D3H. I thought after 3 weeks there would be something put out, especially now that teams are a week into the season, by the institution.

Can't put anything out if the process isn't over. The process isn't over. Being a state school, they have a far more specific way things have to be conducted in the system than private schools. From what I'm gathering, it may be another week or two before it is all wrapped up.

Unless you are CNU.....work one day, gone the next. And to this day, when I ask, I get funny looks and shrugs from CNU athletic department folks. And that happened 7 years ago. Kudos for those folks keeping it under wraps.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 24, 2018, 03:10:52 PM
Probably depends on what the "offense" was. Surely there are some things which can get you walked from a state school, too.

I'm sure if this had come up in May or June they would have done their investigation and then announced the change at the end of it. But because it was basically days before practice started, it made sense to do it this way.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cmackowiakSGSN on October 25, 2018, 10:18:29 AM
Salisbury University Athletics announced Tuesday morning that Andrew Sachs will not return as the men's basketball head coach. Here's the latest:

https://thesuflyer.com/2018/10/25/breaking-sachs-will-not-return-to-su-mens-basketball-program/
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on October 25, 2018, 02:19:20 PM
Okay, so what's the scoop here?  Can anyone elaborate at this time?  If he agreed not to return, does that mean Salisbury may have offered him some sort of conditional job?

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: sunny on October 25, 2018, 03:02:21 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on October 25, 2018, 02:19:20 PM
Okay, so what's the scoop here?  Can anyone elaborate at this time?  If he agreed not to return, does that mean Salisbury may have offered him some sort of conditional job?

I know nothing about the particulars here, but generally, it means there is some sort of severance/financial agreement in exchange for walking away and keeping mum instead of a termination that could have an appeal, lawsuit, etc.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 25, 2018, 03:14:01 PM
It isn't exactly over. Sachs won't confirm that agreement exists: http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2018/10/official-salisbury-sacks-sachs
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on October 26, 2018, 05:14:21 PM
for fun.....ALum in blue.

https://www.facebook.com/CNUbasketball/videos/263190877721784/ (https://www.facebook.com/CNUbasketball/videos/263190877721784/)

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on October 29, 2018, 09:13:49 AM
Went to midnight madness Friday...hardly any basketball...is that what these have become?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on October 29, 2018, 10:25:44 AM
The reasoning I heard was they don't want injuries. But then....Alumni games.....Midnight Madness is now about pizza and students.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on October 29, 2018, 10:33:47 AM
No reason they can't scrimmage...I guess what they currently do is fun for the students/players, but really defeats the purpose.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cmackowiakSGSN on November 01, 2018, 02:05:18 PM
Early Thursday afternoon, former Salisbury University head men's basketball coach Andrew Sachs released a lengthy statement regarding the reasons behind his departure from the program.

https://thesuflyer.com/2018/11/01/breaking-sachs-releases-statement-detailing-reasons-behind-departure/ (https://thesuflyer.com/2018/11/01/breaking-sachs-releases-statement-detailing-reasons-behind-departure/)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on November 01, 2018, 03:09:44 PM
Quote from: cmackowiakSGSN on November 01, 2018, 02:05:18 PM
Early Thursday afternoon, former Salisbury University head men's basketball coach Andrew Sachs released a lengthy statement regarding the reasons behind his departure from the program.

https://thesuflyer.com/2018/11/01/breaking-sachs-releases-statement-detailing-reasons-behind-departure/ (https://thesuflyer.com/2018/11/01/breaking-sachs-releases-statement-detailing-reasons-behind-departure/)

Those reasons seem kind of petty...can't help but wonder if they were just looking for something to ding him on?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 01, 2018, 03:15:36 PM
geez hire an editor, hard to follow as it is long and rambling.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 02, 2018, 11:50:47 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on November 01, 2018, 03:09:44 PM
Quote from: cmackowiakSGSN on November 01, 2018, 02:05:18 PM
Early Thursday afternoon, former Salisbury University head men's basketball coach Andrew Sachs released a lengthy statement regarding the reasons behind his departure from the program.

https://thesuflyer.com/2018/11/01/breaking-sachs-releases-statement-detailing-reasons-behind-departure/ (https://thesuflyer.com/2018/11/01/breaking-sachs-releases-statement-detailing-reasons-behind-departure/)

Those reasons seem kind of petty...can't help but wonder if they were just looking for something to ding him on?

I'm willing to bet there is way more to the story than what he put down on paper.  I will stop my comments there. Whew. I had to delete much of what I wanted to say.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 02, 2018, 11:15:05 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on November 02, 2018, 11:50:47 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on November 01, 2018, 03:09:44 PM
Quote from: cmackowiakSGSN on November 01, 2018, 02:05:18 PM
Early Thursday afternoon, former Salisbury University head men's basketball coach Andrew Sachs released a lengthy statement regarding the reasons behind his departure from the program.

https://thesuflyer.com/2018/11/01/breaking-sachs-releases-statement-detailing-reasons-behind-departure/ (https://thesuflyer.com/2018/11/01/breaking-sachs-releases-statement-detailing-reasons-behind-departure/)

Those reasons seem kind of petty...can't help but wonder if they were just looking for something to ding him on?

I'm willing to bet there is way more to the story than what he put down on paper.  I will stop my comments there. Whew. I had to delete much of what I wanted to say.

More to the story ... maybe. I think he probably did touch on all the issues the school was having and used to fire him. I just don't think his representation of those issues was complete.

Who knows. I've been talking to several and nothing he said in terms of the "violations" was new ... while one was slightly new.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 04, 2018, 10:46:31 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 02, 2018, 11:15:05 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on November 02, 2018, 11:50:47 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on November 01, 2018, 03:09:44 PM
Quote from: cmackowiakSGSN on November 01, 2018, 02:05:18 PM
Early Thursday afternoon, former Salisbury University head men's basketball coach Andrew Sachs released a lengthy statement regarding the reasons behind his departure from the program.

https://thesuflyer.com/2018/11/01/breaking-sachs-releases-statement-detailing-reasons-behind-departure/ (https://thesuflyer.com/2018/11/01/breaking-sachs-releases-statement-detailing-reasons-behind-departure/)

Those reasons seem kind of petty...can't help but wonder if they were just looking for something to ding him on?

I'm willing to bet there is way more to the story than what he put down on paper.  I will stop my comments there. Whew. I had to delete much of what I wanted to say.

More to the story ... maybe. I think he probably did touch on all the issues the school was having and used to fire him. I just don't think his representation of those issues was complete.

Who knows. I've been talking to several and nothing he said in terms of the "violations" was new ... while one was slightly new.

i.e. more to the story.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 04, 2018, 04:27:27 PM
Yeah ... I know ... but ... I'm trying to walk a line. Some would argue there is more to the story, others may say there isn't. I think it is more in the eye of the beholder if you catch my drift.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 04, 2018, 04:58:10 PM
Yep. Catching the drift. You know more than I, and even I refrained from my sharing my interpretation of his horribly written statement.  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 05, 2018, 03:19:44 AM
Quote from: CNU85 on November 02, 2018, 11:50:47 AM
I had to delete much of what I wanted to say.

That seems like a sound policy that maybe others should consider!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cmackowiakSGSN on November 06, 2018, 01:46:28 PM
Former Salisbury University men's basketball graduate assistant Daniel Eacho released a statement regarding his recent resignation. He has confirmed that he will take a position at Hampden-Sydney.

https://thesuflyer.com/2018/11/06/former-su-mens-basketball-grad-assistant-releases-statement-on-resignation/ (https://thesuflyer.com/2018/11/06/former-su-mens-basketball-grad-assistant-releases-statement-on-resignation/)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 06, 2018, 01:50:39 PM
Quote from: cmackowiakSGSN on November 06, 2018, 01:46:28 PM
Former Salisbury University men's basketball graduate assistant Daniel Eacho released a statement regarding his recent resignation. He has confirmed that he will take a position at Hampden-Sydney.

https://thesuflyer.com/2018/11/06/former-su-mens-basketball-grad-assistant-releases-statement-on-resignation/ (https://thesuflyer.com/2018/11/06/former-su-mens-basketball-grad-assistant-releases-statement-on-resignation/)

I'll be honest, I'm a little disappointed he decided to wade into the muck. I think he would have departed even if Andy Sachs was on board. He is heading back to a job that he is familiar with having been on staff in the past. That job opened up late in the off season (few weeks ago) and I am not surprised he took it.

I understand defending your former boss. I just don't think it helps him wading further into it. Thanking Coach Sachs was probably good enough.

I wish him luck and I hope the Salisbury team can put the blinders on and focus on the season at hand.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on November 09, 2018, 08:45:41 AM
https://www.cnusports.com/news/2018/11/8/mens-basketball-picked-first-in-capital-athletic-conference-pre-season-poll.aspx

GO CAPS!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MW_Eagles on November 14, 2018, 09:16:32 AM
Nice start for UMW last night.   They were missing two key starters to injury (not long term), but some of the freshman played very well.  The Cook twins from Williamsburg look great.   A freshman (Rowson) from Northern VA hit 7 of 9 3s.   Losing Shaw is tough, but this team looks much deeper now that Kahn has had a couple of years of recruits to build on.   Should be a fun season!

https://www.fredericksburg.com/sports/rowson-mary-washington-men-rout-eastern-mennonite-in-season-opener/article_c98e061a-b224-5795-95f6-1aa1860e1aa0.html
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: jesskleangda on November 14, 2018, 12:23:40 PM
Agree with MW_Eagles.  UMW looks improved and significantly deeper this year - especially with shooters.  Last night's shooting display was impressive, and they were without last year top frosh and shooter (Johnson).  With this depth, they may be able to play even quicker and wear down opponents.  Really looking forward to this season.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on November 27, 2018, 09:54:19 AM
CNU lands at #22 in the latest poll, thanks in large part to destroying John Carroll this past Sunday, who was previously ranked at #20.  It's still early, though, so it will be interesting to see how both teams fare going forward...the Captains look to be on a collision course w/R-MC, but they've got to win at Lynchburg first, which likely won't be easy.

GO CAPS!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ronk on November 27, 2018, 11:37:02 AM
Any idea of when Drew Johnson(UMW) will return to action?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on December 04, 2018, 09:44:36 AM
Quiet in here...overall, the conference is off to a good start, particularly Salisbury at 7-0, which is surprising to me...looks like the interim coach has 'em playing some good ball.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on December 04, 2018, 03:29:33 PM
very quiet. I'm too busy declining all of the holiday event invitations. Haha.....I had to call CNU admin and tell her to put me down for "NO" to all events. I jut don't have the time. And this time of the year is a tad hectic in the corporate finance world.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 05, 2018, 07:47:32 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on December 04, 2018, 09:44:36 AM
Quiet in here...overall, the conference is off to a good start, particularly Salisbury at 7-0, which is surprising to me...looks like the interim coach has 'em playing some good ball.

They're definitely playing above their talent right now, which is a testament to the coach and the team's effort.  It's pretty cool to see.  I hope they can keep it up.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MRMIKESMITH on December 05, 2018, 11:51:54 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 05, 2018, 07:47:32 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on December 04, 2018, 09:44:36 AM
Quiet in here...overall, the conference is off to a good start, particularly Salisbury at 7-0, which is surprising to me...looks like the interim coach has 'em playing some good ball.

They're definitely playing above their talent right now, which is a testament to the coach and the team's effort.  It's pretty cool to see.  I hope they can keep it up.

The team is playing inspired, hopefully we can continue it tonight against a Marymount.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MW_Eagles on December 05, 2018, 10:17:32 PM
Nice win for UMW tonight on the road at Va Wesleyan.   Could have crumbled after giving up a last second 3 to push to OT, but they dominated OT.   30 points from the freshman Rowson.   Will be nice to get Johnson back in the lineup.  Much cleaner game tonight compared to the Lynchburg and Randolph games where there were a lot of fouls and silly turnovers.  Go Eagles!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: guest323 on December 06, 2018, 03:22:43 AM
That Pelham kid went off from beyond the arc - good win for MW
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 06, 2018, 03:31:56 PM
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Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on December 10, 2018, 08:57:43 AM
A nice win for CNU against previously unbeaten R-MC Saturday...that should get them back in the top 25.

GO CAPS!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on December 11, 2018, 08:30:28 AM
CNU and SU come in at 21 and 23 respectively...nicely done!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MW_Eagles on December 18, 2018, 10:58:57 AM
Does anyone ever look at this ranking?   Some pretty interesting results (CNU #3, Salisbury #30, MW #32).  Not sure of it's accuracy, but it's a pretty cool way to look at every team in D3.   

https://herosports.com/rankings/college-d3-mens-basketball
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 18, 2018, 12:14:44 PM
Quote from: MW_Eagles on December 18, 2018, 10:58:57 AM
Does anyone ever look at this ranking?   Some pretty interesting results (CNU #3, Salisbury #30, MW #32).  Not sure of it's accuracy, but it's a pretty cool way to look at every team in D3.   

https://herosports.com/rankings/college-d3-mens-basketball

Not many put much stock in Hero's rankings. They barely know what DIII is.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on January 07, 2019, 09:20:53 AM
Geez, this board is dead...I'm disappointed, but not surprised, that CNU lost at Mary Washington...the Eagles are dangerous, as are the Gulls and Spartans...should be another fun season in the CAC!

GO CAPS!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MW_Eagles on January 07, 2019, 09:49:21 AM
The board has been dead.   MW really needed that win on Saturday after losing a head scratcher to Frostburg. (although Frostburg has had some interesting results like taking Longwood to OT)   I think that was Kahn's first win over CNU in his tenure.    Great win for the women too!  Doesn't get any easier with Salisbury coming in on Wednesday. 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on January 07, 2019, 12:08:39 PM
Yep, Salisbury will be a tough test...I'm still waiting for them to come back down to earth...heck of a season, so far, considering all the pre-season drama.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MRMIKESMITH on January 07, 2019, 02:25:33 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on January 07, 2019, 12:08:39 PM
Yep, Salisbury will be a tough test...I'm still waiting for them to come back down to earth...heck of a season, so far, considering all the pre-season drama.

We are Martians this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on January 07, 2019, 02:53:19 PM
Quote from: MANDGSU on January 07, 2019, 02:25:33 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on January 07, 2019, 12:08:39 PM
Yep, Salisbury will be a tough test...I'm still waiting for them to come back down to earth...heck of a season, so far, considering all the pre-season drama.

We are Martians this year.

;)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 07, 2019, 07:48:32 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on January 07, 2019, 12:08:39 PM
Yep, Salisbury will be a tough test...I'm still waiting for them to come back down to earth...heck of a season, so far, considering all the pre-season drama.

We may have to wait a while.  They got some real solid wins over the break.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on January 08, 2019, 08:55:49 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 07, 2019, 07:48:32 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on January 07, 2019, 12:08:39 PM
Yep, Salisbury will be a tough test...I'm still waiting for them to come back down to earth...heck of a season, so far, considering all the pre-season drama.

We may have to wait a while.  They got some real solid wins over the break.

Agreed!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: jesskleangda on January 08, 2019, 12:58:15 PM
If UMW plays like they did against Frostburg, they could lose to anyone - note: at least one starter was very ill during the game.  If they play like they did against CNU, they could beat anyone in the conference.  Wednesday's game will be a great test for both schools.

All teams suffer injuries, but UMW has had more than its fair share this year.  Just got Drew Johnson back and now they are without Khiorie Stewart.  Hope they all are healthy soon.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MW_Eagles on January 09, 2019, 09:55:04 PM
Great win for UMW.  It stinks their two biggest home games were played while students on break.  Salisbury looks good but have to wonder if depth will be an issue.  I only saw 4 players on the bench.  Some big runs by both teams tonight but MW kept composure and closed it out.  Go Eagles!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on January 10, 2019, 09:43:09 AM
Yep, another nice win for UMW and a sound effort for the Captains against St. Mary's....
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: jesskleangda on January 10, 2019, 08:06:55 PM
Now UMW needs to win on the road.  They have shown themselves to be legit conference title contenders.  This is fun.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MRMIKESMITH on January 11, 2019, 10:09:39 AM
Quote from: MW_Eagles on January 09, 2019, 09:55:04 PM
Great win for UMW.  It stinks their two biggest home games were played while students on break.  Salisbury looks good but have to wonder if depth will be an issue.  I only saw 4 players on the bench.  Some big runs by both teams tonight but MW kept composure and closed it out.  Go Eagles!

Salisbury will be fine. The depth will change once the spring semester starts. It was a learning experience the 1st half, but to fight back to get the score within 4 was much more interesting to watch from a Seagull perspective. Kudos to UMW, it was a good win. See you on the 30th in front of pack crowd at home. 1st game when all the students return, should be great.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 11, 2019, 01:14:32 PM
Quote from: MANDGSU on January 11, 2019, 10:09:39 AM
Quote from: MW_Eagles on January 09, 2019, 09:55:04 PM
Great win for UMW.  It stinks their two biggest home games were played while students on break.  Salisbury looks good but have to wonder if depth will be an issue.  I only saw 4 players on the bench.  Some big runs by both teams tonight but MW kept composure and closed it out.  Go Eagles!

Salisbury will be fine. The depth will change once the spring semester starts. It was a learning experience the 1st half, but to fight back to get the score within 4 was much more interesting to watch from a Seagull perspective. Kudos to UMW, it was a good win. See you on the 30th in front of pack crowd at home. 1st game when all the students return, should be great.

How will the depth change once the spring semester starts? In basketball, any new players can join the team once the first semester is officially closed.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 12, 2019, 09:20:54 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 11, 2019, 01:14:32 PM
Quote from: MANDGSU on January 11, 2019, 10:09:39 AM
Quote from: MW_Eagles on January 09, 2019, 09:55:04 PM
Great win for UMW.  It stinks their two biggest home games were played while students on break.  Salisbury looks good but have to wonder if depth will be an issue.  I only saw 4 players on the bench.  Some big runs by both teams tonight but MW kept composure and closed it out.  Go Eagles!

Salisbury will be fine. The depth will change once the spring semester starts. It was a learning experience the 1st half, but to fight back to get the score within 4 was much more interesting to watch from a Seagull perspective. Kudos to UMW, it was a good win. See you on the 30th in front of pack crowd at home. 1st game when all the students return, should be great.

How will the depth change once the spring semester starts? In basketball, any new players can join the team once the first semester is officially closed.

They can't always move into dorms, though - sometimes schools have different rules for what counts as the start of the semester.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 14, 2019, 02:21:27 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 12, 2019, 09:20:54 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 11, 2019, 01:14:32 PM
Quote from: MANDGSU on January 11, 2019, 10:09:39 AM
Quote from: MW_Eagles on January 09, 2019, 09:55:04 PM
Great win for UMW.  It stinks their two biggest home games were played while students on break.  Salisbury looks good but have to wonder if depth will be an issue.  I only saw 4 players on the bench.  Some big runs by both teams tonight but MW kept composure and closed it out.  Go Eagles!

Salisbury will be fine. The depth will change once the spring semester starts. It was a learning experience the 1st half, but to fight back to get the score within 4 was much more interesting to watch from a Seagull perspective. Kudos to UMW, it was a good win. See you on the 30th in front of pack crowd at home. 1st game when all the students return, should be great.

How will the depth change once the spring semester starts? In basketball, any new players can join the team once the first semester is officially closed.

They can't always move into dorms, though - sometimes schools have different rules for what counts as the start of the semester.

I understand there are quirks... but in the world of basketball, once the first semester is marked as finished - the second semester in terms of eligibility begins.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: jesskleangda on January 16, 2019, 05:03:58 PM
A little surprised that UMW doesn't have any votes for top 25.  Sure they have a bad loss - but it was on the road and in-conference.  They have two top 20 wins and a win on the road over another team (Guilford) receiving votes.  I would expect that if they can win a couple this week that they would start receiving votes.  Am I too biased?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 16, 2019, 06:24:15 PM
Quote from: jesskleangda on January 16, 2019, 05:03:58 PM
A little surprised that UMW doesn't have any votes for top 25.  Sure they have a bad loss - but it was on the road and in-conference.  They have two top 20 wins and a win on the road over another team (Guilford) receiving votes.  I would expect that if they can win a couple this week that they would start receiving votes.  Am I too biased?

They've got four losses - the Lynchburg one isn't terrible, but margins in the other two ODAC losses are not really Top 25 caliber.  Wins over CNU and Salisbury certainly help the resume, but it's tough to know what part of the season is more indicative of who they are.  Like anyone else, if you keep winning it'll get noticed.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: jesskleangda on January 17, 2019, 12:11:19 PM
Agree.  The other ODAC losses don't look great.  Unfortunately, the Roanoke final score looks much worse than it really was.  UMW was up with about 4 minutes left.  Anyway - you are correct, the four losses are tough.  Saturday will be a big day for a shakeup of the conference standings.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 17, 2019, 12:28:36 PM
Not only do they have four losses, but the losses cancel out the wins in the sense that the loss to Frostburg is the one that sticks in my craw. I don't mind the losses to the ODAC teams, but there isn't a win against those squads either - Guilford is the only significant win.

I'd argue the wins over Salisbury and CNU are overrated. Those teams probably shouldn't have been ranked - and I blame myself for giving Salisbury a small amount of love one week. When you have four losses, something has to stand out. Nothing about UMW's resume stands out that isn't canceled out with something else.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on January 17, 2019, 01:49:06 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 17, 2019, 12:28:36 PM
Not only do they have four losses, but the losses cancel out the wins in the sense that the loss to Frostburg is the one that sticks in my craw. I don't mind the losses to the ODAC teams, but there isn't a win against those squads either - Guilford is the only significant win.

I'd argue the wins over Salisbury and CNU are overrated. Those teams probably shouldn't have been ranked - and I blame myself for giving Salisbury a small amount of love one week. When you have four losses, something has to stand out. Nothing about UMW's resume stands out that isn't canceled out with something else.

Hmm...Massey had Salisbury at #24 until they lost to York last night and currently has CNU at #18...D3hoops' current Top 25 has Salisbury at #24 and CNU at #18.  Now, as I've said, I think Salisbury's been playing over their heads and it's starting to show, but CNU's pretty solid...obviously, Salisbury will drop out of the Top 25, as they should, but based on their body of work prior to last night, they belonged...CNU still belongs.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: jesskleangda on January 17, 2019, 05:46:25 PM
Swish - I agree.  CNU is as good or better than any other team UMW has played.  Based on having watched every UMW game, I would say only Washington and Lee is as good or better than CNU.  That doesn't necessarily speak well for UMW's other losses - but it does underscore the fact that UMW has improved significantly with the return of Drew Johnson, and should start to receive some top 25 consideration (assuming they are able to beat a good York team on Saturday).
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MW_Eagles on January 17, 2019, 08:23:55 PM
Obviously the Frostburg loss is hurting MW, especially after Frostburg's performance last night.  In a weird way, I sort of wonder if the Frostburg loss was "good" for MW.  Not from a rankings perspective (obviously), but from a mental standpoint.   I think it kick started them to wake up for the tough games ahead.   I remember the Frostburg announcer saying, "UMW could be looking at an 0-3 start to the conference schedule."  Any word jesskleangda on Khiore Stewart?  Would be nice to add him back to the rotation for the back half of the season.   3 game home stretch coming up, let's go Eagles!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: jesskleangda on January 18, 2019, 01:18:48 PM
MWE - I agree with your comments about the Frostburg loss.  The three ODAC losses are respectable, if you watched the games.  UMW was leading both the Lynchburg and Roanoke games in the last couple minutes.  That said, obviously a loss is a loss.  Voters obviously only see final score and make conclusions.

We can't forget that Johnson is still getting back into form and is playing better and better each game.  He was not around for the first approx. 10 games.

I am not certain about Stewart's timeline.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 21, 2019, 08:40:00 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on January 17, 2019, 01:49:06 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 17, 2019, 12:28:36 PM
Not only do they have four losses, but the losses cancel out the wins in the sense that the loss to Frostburg is the one that sticks in my craw. I don't mind the losses to the ODAC teams, but there isn't a win against those squads either - Guilford is the only significant win.

I'd argue the wins over Salisbury and CNU are overrated. Those teams probably shouldn't have been ranked - and I blame myself for giving Salisbury a small amount of love one week. When you have four losses, something has to stand out. Nothing about UMW's resume stands out that isn't canceled out with something else.

Hmm...Massey had Salisbury at #24 until they lost to York last night and currently has CNU at #18...D3hoops' current Top 25 has Salisbury at #24 and CNU at #18.  Now, as I've said, I think Salisbury's been playing over their heads and it's starting to show, but CNU's pretty solid...obviously, Salisbury will drop out of the Top 25, as they should, but based on their body of work prior to last night, they belonged...CNU still belongs.

Not to mention being 15-2 and having the 2nd best Defense in the nation in FG%. nah.....not top 25 worthy. Over rated.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on January 22, 2019, 09:06:48 AM
CNU climbs 3 spots to #15, while Salisbury and Mary Washington received 13 and 4 votes respectively...big game in Newport News tomorrow night against the Gulls!

GO CAPS!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on January 24, 2019, 11:56:07 AM
That was a close call for CNU last night, which I really wasn't expecting...Mary Washington escaped at home, as well...HUGE game at York on Saturday for the Captains!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: jesskleangda on January 24, 2019, 12:24:49 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on January 24, 2019, 11:56:07 AM
That was a close call for CNU last night, which I really wasn't expecting...Mary Washington escaped at home, as well...HUGE game at York on Saturday for the Captains!
No doubt.  York is always a very difficult place to play, and UMW in a rematch of its only conference loss.  A lot of basketball left.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MW_Eagles on January 27, 2019, 11:49:44 AM
Ugly game for UMW yesterday.   Hats off to Frostburg for shooting lights out.  Logjam at the top now.  UMW with a really tough week ahead with Salisbury and CNU on the road.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 28, 2019, 09:00:41 AM
well that was text book definition of "choke"

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on January 28, 2019, 09:31:27 AM
Okay, so CNU goes up to York w/out their best player and outplays 'em until the very end...to be brutally honest, CNU absolutely, positively blew the game!  They were up 6 w/44 seconds to go and had the ball...somehow, some way, they managed to lose and miss a golden opportunity!  Here are the possessions w/44 seconds left:

CNU - turnover
York - layup and 1 (yes, CNU fouled)
CNU - turnover
York - layup
CNU - misses 2 free throws
York - layup

Not only did the Captains turn the ball over, they gave York three consecutive layups...how does that happen?!?!  Those are the kind of games you lose sleep over...ugh!

I'm a huge CNU fan, and always will be, but I'm going to tell it like it is, good or bad....
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on January 28, 2019, 09:33:54 AM
Quote from: CNU85 on January 28, 2019, 09:00:41 AM
well that was text book definition of "choke"

No doubt...I was typing my post when you posted that...CNU seemed to script and execute the perfect way to give York the game!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on January 29, 2019, 04:09:27 PM
If CNU wins tomorrow and Saturday, won't they likely be #1 in the MA next week?  Well, either them or Swarthmore, I would imagine....
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on January 30, 2019, 08:35:10 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on January 29, 2019, 04:09:27 PM
If CNU wins tomorrow and Saturday, won't they likely be #1 in the MA next week?  Well, either them or Swarthmore, I would imagine....

Nothing from Ryan or Dave on this?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 30, 2019, 11:15:03 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on January 30, 2019, 08:35:10 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on January 29, 2019, 04:09:27 PM
If CNU wins tomorrow and Saturday, won't they likely be #1 in the MA next week?  Well, either them or Swarthmore, I would imagine....

Nothing from Ryan or Dave on this?

I need to crunch the numbers and with the Marathon Show being tomorrow ... I haven't done that, yet.

I don't think the CAC will supply strong SOS numbers this season, so my gut is Swarthmore is probably going to have the edge on CNU.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 30, 2019, 01:47:41 PM
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Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on February 04, 2019, 08:24:25 AM
Glad CNU was able to pull away from UMW in the second half...Carter was back w/a knee brace and became more comfortable as the game wore on.  It will be interesting to see who's #1 in the MA on Wednesday...Massey has CNU slightly ahead of Swarthmore, but it will be close either way.

GO CAPS!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 04, 2019, 11:47:41 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on February 04, 2019, 08:24:25 AM
Glad CNU was able to pull away from UMW in the second half...Carter was back w/a knee brace and became more comfortable as the game wore on.  It will be interesting to see who's #1 in the MA on Wednesday...Massey has CNU slightly ahead of Swarthmore, but it will be close either way.

GO CAPS!

Remember, Massey doesn't consider anything that the RAC and national committee considers. I wouldn't look to Massey to give many hints.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on February 04, 2019, 12:20:15 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 04, 2019, 11:47:41 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on February 04, 2019, 08:24:25 AM
Glad CNU was able to pull away from UMW in the second half...Carter was back w/a knee brace and became more comfortable as the game wore on.  It will be interesting to see who's #1 in the MA on Wednesday...Massey has CNU slightly ahead of Swarthmore, but it will be close either way.

GO CAPS!

Remember, Massey doesn't consider anything that the RAC and national committee considers. I wouldn't look to Massey to give many hints.

I know they differ, but first place should easily come down to these two...beyond that, who knows?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 04, 2019, 01:02:43 PM
I usually wait to see how the rankings play out the first week. That lets everyone understand how committees are reading the data especially this year since the SOS/WL% tool has been removed. The vRRO data isn't there, either, which makes Week 1 always interesting.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 06, 2019, 04:17:17 PM
Here are the first rankings for the men this season: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2019/02/men-regional-rankings-first
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 06, 2019, 04:42:43 PM
Big game tonight @ CNU for Coach K......going for win #200 in only his 9th season at CNU!!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 06, 2019, 09:48:17 PM
Still trying to figure out how you shoot 28% and win
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 07, 2019, 03:34:00 PM
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Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 08, 2019, 08:06:38 AM
Nice show Dave!! One thing not mentioned that can be attributed to CNU success...defense. Prior to Wednesday's game, #3 in nation in FG% - Defense at 37.1%. You can win a lot of games with that D.

Come on down for a game and see what the fun is about!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 08, 2019, 02:49:05 PM
A nice story. Coach Ross is indeed a top notch guy!

https://www.dailypress.com/sports/christopher-newport/dp-spt-cnu-roland-ross-0120-story.html (https://www.dailypress.com/sports/christopher-newport/dp-spt-cnu-roland-ross-0120-story.html)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 09, 2019, 06:55:00 PM
A strange game. CNU wins against the most athletic team I've seen this year. How in the world is FSU 10-13?  And I question the heights listed for FSU. If #50 is 6'11" then our #31 is 6'10", which he's not. I give #50 6'8.5" at the most.

And speaking of 6'11", our 5'10" guy outrebounded him.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on February 11, 2019, 08:44:21 AM
Well, CNU is managing to win, which is good, but they're not playing like a top 25 team right now...the injuries have played a role in that, but these last two regular season games on the road have me concerned, particularly Wednesday night at Salisbury.  I'm hoping the Captains can regain some of their early/mid season form quickly....

GO CAPS!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MW_Eagles on February 11, 2019, 08:55:10 AM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 09, 2019, 06:55:00 PM
A strange game. CNU wins against the most athletic team I've seen this year. How in the world is FSU 10-13?  And I question the heights listed for FSU. If #50 is 6'11" then our #31 is 6'10", which he's not. I give #50 6'8.5" at the most.

And speaking of 6'11", our 5'10" guy outrebounded him.

Frostburg is a tough one to figure out.   They have Mary Washington's number this year for sure, but have some puzzling games with 2 losses to St. Mary's and a 19 point loss to Harrisburg.   Yet they took Longwood (granted not a powerhouse, but still D1) to OT on the road.   

I'm hoping UMW can lock up a top 4 seed (top 2 is out of the question IMO) and a home game with a win on Wednesday, but Southern Virginia is a bit of a worry, especially on the road.   I know they're 0-12 but UMW came back and barely beat them on a last second layup at home.  They also have some tight results against good teams (Salisbury, CNU, Roanoke).    Should be a fun tournament this year.   While seeding isn't final, the top 6 are in place.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: jesskleangda on February 11, 2019, 01:55:44 PM
I think its important that UMW lock up a 3 seed.  Playing Frostburg would obviously be a concern.  I agree that the Wednesday game is scary.  SVU has played much better than their record indicates.  This conference is weird - in several cases, the records do not reflect the talent.  Anyway - congrats to Coach Kahn on Win 300.  Let's get a few more this season!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on February 11, 2019, 02:16:48 PM
I totally agree regarding Southern Virginia...they're actually not bad and play hard from start to finish...their record is quite deceiving.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on February 13, 2019, 08:51:54 AM
HUGE game tonight at Salisbury...hoping CNU wins and York loses at Frostburg!

GO CAPS!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 13, 2019, 03:24:29 PM
The second week Regional Rankings have been released: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2019/02/men-regional-rankings-second
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 13, 2019, 04:25:49 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on February 13, 2019, 08:51:54 AM
HUGE game tonight at Salisbury...hoping CNU wins and York loses at Frostburg!

GO CAPS!

and someone drops the L on Swarthmore!!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MW_Eagles on February 14, 2019, 08:16:28 AM
Looks like MW should be firmly in 3rd now.   York losing both games is unlikely.  Frostburg has a tough ending with York and Salisbury, although both at home.   Frostburg's finish will dictate who Mary Washington plays in the first round.  Although if Frostburg wins out, they would sneak into 4th and push Salisbury into a 1st round road game. 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: jesskleangda on February 14, 2019, 01:12:20 PM
Tonight's game has a lot of implications.  The whole conference should be watching.  I know I will.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 14, 2019, 02:23:31 PM
Quote from: jesskleangda on February 14, 2019, 01:12:20 PM
Tonight's game has a lot of implications.  The whole conference should be watching.  I know I will.

I will try. Last night my goal was to have dinner with my son, then get home and settled with my ipad to watch the CNU/Salisbury game. At 3:30am I woke up and realized I totally forgot about the game......#gettingoldsucks

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on February 14, 2019, 04:19:55 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 14, 2019, 02:23:31 PM
Quote from: jesskleangda on February 14, 2019, 01:12:20 PM
Tonight's game has a lot of implications.  The whole conference should be watching.  I know I will.

I will try. Last night my goal was to have dinner with my son, then get home and settled with my ipad to watch the CNU/Salisbury game. At 3:30am I woke up and realized I totally forgot about the game......#gettingoldsucks

Damn, '85, you totally forgot?  Dude, it was Salisbury Steak for crying out loud! ;D

Speaking of Salisbury, that was a convincing win for CNU, which I wasn't expecting...now, the Captains aren't going to shoot the ball like that very often, but they picked a great time to do it...hoping they don't take PS-H for granted!

GO CAPS!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: jesskleangda on February 14, 2019, 08:08:39 PM
Can you guys believe the camera work at the Frostburg/York game?  It shows the entire court but doesn't show either basket.  Crazy and infuriating.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 15, 2019, 01:23:11 PM
Quote from: jesskleangda on February 14, 2019, 08:08:39 PM
Can you guys believe the camera work at the Frostburg/York game?  It shows the entire court but doesn't show either basket.  Crazy and infuriating.

And the graphics didn't show a clock...so you had no clue how much time was left in either half. And live stats froze for a while at 9-3.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 16, 2019, 04:06:40 PM
Well that was a total lack of class. Penn State Harrisburg player scores and about 20 fans/family rush the court. The game had just started.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 16, 2019, 06:06:07 PM
Congrats to York....regular season co-champs wth CNU. CNU wins coin toss and gets the #1 seed.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on February 18, 2019, 08:05:31 AM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 16, 2019, 06:06:07 PM
Congrats to York....regular season co-champs wth CNU. CNU wins coin toss and gets the #1 seed.

Yes, congrats to both CNU and York on their shared championship...glad the Captains won the coin toss, but that's a terrible way to determine the #1 seed w/so much riding on it.

GO CAPS!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 19, 2019, 01:55:44 PM
Big meeting out of the way.......almost game time.....2 games tonight....CNU men and women host. Gonna be a sweet evening. Hoops. Chill. NICE!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 20, 2019, 03:39:18 PM
The third public NCAA Division III regional rankings are out: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2019/02/men-regional-rankings-third
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 20, 2019, 03:42:54 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 20, 2019, 03:39:18 PM
The third public NCAA Division III regional rankings are out: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2019/02/men-regional-rankings-third

Hey Swish....folks  at Swarthmore are asking to see the data sheets!!!!  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on February 20, 2019, 04:27:01 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 20, 2019, 03:42:54 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 20, 2019, 03:39:18 PM
The third public NCAA Division III regional rankings are out: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2019/02/men-regional-rankings-third

Hey Swish....folks  at Swarthmore are asking to see the data sheets!!!!  ;D ;D ;D

I'll bet they are! ;)

It looks like CNU's primary criteria was a little better than Swarthmore's in the end!  As long as CNU wins the conference tourney, does this mean they'll have hosting priority over Swarthmore?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 20, 2019, 04:41:53 PM
CNU has an advantage that the CAC is ranked and helping boost the vRRO data to be sure.

"Hosting priority" is a tough thing to say when geography plays such a large role. If they can't get teams to CNU, they aren't going to force the issue. If they can get southern teams to CNU, that doesn't mean Swat doesn't have a need for other schools.

Being in the top two is helpful. I doubt they would be in the same group for the second weekend to matter anyway.

Also, there is still a final rankings to be done (two stages to the final rankings) and these positions can, and have, changed even if both teams won out.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: jesskleangda on February 20, 2019, 05:12:54 PM
Is the CAC going to get 2 teams?  If either UMW or Salisbury win the automatic bid, do both CNU and York get at large?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 20, 2019, 05:16:37 PM
Maybe two ... but we have to see how many upsets there are around the country. There are already two bids maybe gobbled up my Middlebury and Marietta (though, not guaranteed, either). The more upsets, the less chances.

As for three ... that might be pushing it, but again ... we shall see. Hard to gauge that when we don't know how any of the 42 conferences AQs will be handed out as of yet.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on February 21, 2019, 08:52:11 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 20, 2019, 04:41:53 PM
CNU has an advantage that the CAC is ranked and helping boost the vRRO data to be sure.

"Hosting priority" is a tough thing to say when geography plays such a large role. If they can't get teams to CNU, they aren't going to force the issue. If they can get southern teams to CNU, that doesn't mean Swat doesn't have a need for other schools.

Being in the top two is helpful. I doubt they would be in the same group for the second weekend to matter anyway.

Also, there is still a final rankings to be done (two stages to the final rankings) and these positions can, and have, changed even if both teams won out.

So true...I guess I'm just hoping that CNU would have an edge, and I think they would if things fell into place.  Also, if it came down to CNU or R-MC hosting the second weekend, would the committee try their best to do it in Newport News, given CNU's head to head win?

If CNU and Swat won out, I can't imagine CNU not being #1, as they would have beaten two more regionally ranked opponents in Salisbury and either York or Mary Washington.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on February 21, 2019, 09:29:28 AM
Quote from: jesskleangda on February 20, 2019, 05:12:54 PM
Is the CAC going to get 2 teams?  If either UMW or Salisbury win the automatic bid, do both CNU and York get at large?

I think the CAC easily gets 2 teams in, likely 3...there's a poster that does some great work projecting this and he tends to be accurate.  As of right now, he's got CNU and York as a lock and near-lock respectively...he's also got Salisbury as a strong contender, so I think 3 is a very good possibility, barring a ridiculous amount of upsets.  Now, if UMW were to win the tourney, that would be bad for Salisbury....
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 21, 2019, 01:54:39 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on February 21, 2019, 08:52:11 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 20, 2019, 04:41:53 PM
CNU has an advantage that the CAC is ranked and helping boost the vRRO data to be sure.

"Hosting priority" is a tough thing to say when geography plays such a large role. If they can't get teams to CNU, they aren't going to force the issue. If they can get southern teams to CNU, that doesn't mean Swat doesn't have a need for other schools.

Being in the top two is helpful. I doubt they would be in the same group for the second weekend to matter anyway.

Also, there is still a final rankings to be done (two stages to the final rankings) and these positions can, and have, changed even if both teams won out.

So true...I guess I'm just hoping that CNU would have an edge, and I think they would if things fell into place.  Also, if it came down to CNU or R-MC hosting the second weekend, would the committee try their best to do it in Newport News, given CNU's head to head win?

If CNU and Swat won out, I can't imagine CNU not being #1, as they would have beaten two more regionally ranked opponents in Salisbury and either York or Mary Washington.

CNU does have the head-to-head win, but there is more criteria involved than that one item. That said, CNU may have the edge currently - assuming no losses by either the rest of this week (though, RMC may see it's SOS, vRRO, and WL% climb more significantly than CNU this week). Plus, you are also assuming the two are in the same part of the bracket - that isn't exactly a sure bet.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on February 21, 2019, 02:05:27 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 21, 2019, 01:54:39 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on February 21, 2019, 08:52:11 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 20, 2019, 04:41:53 PM
CNU has an advantage that the CAC is ranked and helping boost the vRRO data to be sure.

"Hosting priority" is a tough thing to say when geography plays such a large role. If they can't get teams to CNU, they aren't going to force the issue. If they can get southern teams to CNU, that doesn't mean Swat doesn't have a need for other schools.

Being in the top two is helpful. I doubt they would be in the same group for the second weekend to matter anyway.

Also, there is still a final rankings to be done (two stages to the final rankings) and these positions can, and have, changed even if both teams won out.

So true...I guess I'm just hoping that CNU would have an edge, and I think they would if things fell into place.  Also, if it came down to CNU or R-MC hosting the second weekend, would the committee try their best to do it in Newport News, given CNU's head to head win?

If CNU and Swat won out, I can't imagine CNU not being #1, as they would have beaten two more regionally ranked opponents in Salisbury and either York or Mary Washington.

CNU does have the head-to-head win, but there is more criteria involved than that one item. That said, CNU may have the edge currently - assuming no losses by either the rest of this week (though, RMC may see it's SOS, vRRO, and WL% climb more significantly than CNU this week). Plus, you are also assuming the two are in the same part of the bracket - that isn't exactly a sure bet.

True, but I wouldn't be surprised, given their geographical proximity...first things first, though...CNU has to consistently play well to have the opportunity, starting tonight!

Thanks for answering my questions, Dave, as I know you're a busy man....
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MW_Eagles on February 21, 2019, 02:44:43 PM
I don't know how Dave finds the time!  I read his posts on many different boards.   

Geography is always tricky.  If I remember correctly, Mary Washington hosted a 2nd weekend set because it put them closer to Williams even though Va Wesleyan was the higher seed.   It's cool to have potentially 2 sites in Virginia to choose from though if it comes to that with CNU and RMC. 

Two great games tonight, go Eagles!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on February 21, 2019, 03:05:32 PM
Quote from: MW_Eagles on February 21, 2019, 02:44:43 PM
I don't know how Dave finds the time!  I read his posts on many different boards.   

Geography is always tricky.  If I remember correctly, Mary Washington hosted a 2nd weekend set because it put them closer to Williams even though Va Wesleyan was the higher seed.   It's cool to have potentially 2 sites in Virginia to choose from though if it comes to that with CNU and RMC. 

Two great games tonight, go Eagles!!!

If Virginia Wesleyan was indeed the higher seed, it must have boiled down to the good old 500 mile rule...another example of geography/budget trumping what's fair.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MW_Eagles on February 21, 2019, 03:09:58 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on February 21, 2019, 03:05:32 PM


If Virginia Wesleyan was indeed the higher seed, it must have boiled down to the good old 500 mile rule...another example of geography/budget trumping what's fair.

Yep....MW is within 500 of Williams.  Wesleyan was not.  Fun for us though  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on February 21, 2019, 03:47:33 PM
Quote from: MW_Eagles on February 21, 2019, 03:09:58 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on February 21, 2019, 03:05:32 PM


If Virginia Wesleyan was indeed the higher seed, it must have boiled down to the good old 500 mile rule...another example of geography/budget trumping what's fair.

Yep....MW is within 500 of Williams.  Wesleyan was not.  Fun for us though  ;D

As long as it's Wesleyan getting the short end of the stick, that's fine w/me!  That was a very good MW team that year...too bad they ran into a buzz saw in Williams, who had the Robinson kid that transferred to Michigan.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 21, 2019, 11:40:07 PM
Also, don't forget this is an odd number year. So any schools that have men's and women's teams qualifying for NCAA and are high enough seeds, and have applied to host.....the women get the nod. I don't think that will be an issue at CNU since the women are 7th in regional rankings. I remember a few years back it caused a very excellent CNU men's team to hit the road.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on February 22, 2019, 08:43:05 AM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 21, 2019, 11:40:07 PM
Also, don't forget this is an odd number year. So any schools that have men's and women's teams qualifying for NCAA and are high enough seeds, and have applied to host.....the women get the nod. I don't think that will be an issue at CNU since the women are 7th in regional rankings. I remember a few years back it caused a very excellent CNU men's team to hit the road.

Good point, but I don't see the Lady Captains hosting, as you said....

Overall, a very solid game from the Captains last night...who's ready for a rematch in the Free?!?!

GO CAPS!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on February 22, 2019, 09:05:01 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on February 21, 2019, 09:29:28 AM
Quote from: jesskleangda on February 20, 2019, 05:12:54 PM
Is the CAC going to get 2 teams?  If either UMW or Salisbury win the automatic bid, do both CNU and York get at large?

I think the CAC easily gets 2 teams in, likely 3...there's a poster that does some great work projecting this and he tends to be accurate.  As of right now, he's got CNU and York as a lock and near-lock respectively...he's also got Salisbury as a strong contender, so I think 3 is a very good possibility, barring a ridiculous amount of upsets.  Now, if UMW were to win the tourney, that would be bad for Salisbury....

Based on the results from last night, fantastic50's projection now has Salisbury as a "bubble-in" team...going to be close.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 22, 2019, 09:55:00 AM

Salisbury and York both have strong cases for Pool C consideration.  No guarantee in either case, but there's room to hope for both of them.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 22, 2019, 01:55:10 PM
Per Mary Washington a few years ago (Duncan Robinson's freshman year at Williams) - yes, they hosted because they were closer (467 miles) to Williams. If there is a school that can remove a flight from the pod, it will be used to host. CNU went to Oswego a couple of years ago for this very reason.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on February 24, 2019, 05:38:50 PM
Is the Salisbury job posting a  formality?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 25, 2019, 01:17:46 AM
Quote from: CCHoopster on February 24, 2019, 05:38:50 PM
Is the Salisbury job posting a  formality?

It's a state job, so I presume that they will be required to post it, even if they want to keep Brian McDermott on.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 25, 2019, 08:10:12 PM
Nice!! 3 teams in! 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MRMIKESMITH on February 26, 2019, 04:07:00 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 25, 2019, 08:10:12 PM
Nice!! 3 teams in!

Awesome!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: D3HoopJunkie on February 26, 2019, 05:55:21 PM
Albertus Falcon supporter here. Just wanted to say good luck to the Christopher Newport team and fans! Really looking forward to our match up Friday night! I wish I could attend in person but an 8.5 hour drive just isn't doable for me this weekend.

Your campus and athletic center look amazing and so far the coverage provided on the CNU athletics website has been fantastic. A worthy host for sure.

Here's to a great basketball game!

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 27, 2019, 07:22:17 AM
Quote from: D3HoopJunkie on February 26, 2019, 05:55:21 PM
Albertus Falcon supporter here. Just wanted to say good luck to the Christopher Newport team and fans! Really looking forward to our match up Friday night! I wish I could attend in person but an 8.5 hour drive just isn't doable for me this weekend.

Your campus and athletic center look amazing and so far the coverage provided on the CNU athletics website has been fantastic. A worthy host for sure.

Here's to a great basketball game!

Thank you for the kind words. Sorry you will be unable to make it in person. It will be a great atmosphere. The good thing is you will be able to watch the video. And our announcers are really good. The main guy is a friend of mine. The Voice of The Captains. He has over 600 CNU games under his belt. He used to be the voice at St. Bonaventure. Great guy.

Side note -- I have roots in CT. My mother is from Waterbury and my Dad from Meriden.

For those traveling...be safe on I-95 (hate that road). Also...here is a link with ticket info, hotel info, some restaurants. If you need more info, just let me know.

https://www.cnusports.com/sports/2019/2/26/2019-ncaa-mens-basketball-tournament.aspx (https://www.cnusports.com/sports/2019/2/26/2019-ncaa-mens-basketball-tournament.aspx)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 27, 2019, 09:31:42 AM
Also, if you're coming from up north, you may want to spring for an extra night in the hotel and come Thursday.  We're supposed to get snow from 3am-9am Friday - and we don't have very many snowplows in this part of the country.  It won't be bad from a New England perspective, but the roads won't be clear and people around here don't know how to drive in it.

(FYI - I'm talking about southern jersey/delaware that you'll have to drive through - I believe it's supposed to be just rain on the CNU campus.)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 27, 2019, 10:24:22 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 27, 2019, 09:31:42 AM
Also, if you're coming from up north, you may want to spring for an extra night in the hotel and come Thursday.  We're supposed to get snow from 3am-9am Friday - and we don't have very many snowplows in this part of the country.  It won't be bad from a New England perspective, but the roads won't be clear and people around here don't know how to drive in it.

(FYI - I'm talking about southern jersey/delaware that you'll have to drive through - I believe it's supposed to be just rain on the CNU campus.)

Yep...just cold rain down here. again.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on February 27, 2019, 11:05:01 AM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 27, 2019, 07:22:17 AM
Quote from: D3HoopJunkie on February 26, 2019, 05:55:21 PM
Albertus Falcon supporter here. Just wanted to say good luck to the Christopher Newport team and fans! Really looking forward to our match up Friday night! I wish I could attend in person but an 8.5 hour drive just isn't doable for me this weekend.

Your campus and athletic center look amazing and so far the coverage provided on the CNU athletics website has been fantastic. A worthy host for sure.

Here's to a great basketball game!

Thank you for the kind words. Sorry you will be unable to make it in person. It will be a great atmosphere. The good thing is you will be able to watch the video. And our announcers are really good. The main guy is a friend of mine. The Voice of The Captains. He has over 600 CNU games under his belt. He used to be the voice at St. Bonaventure. Great guy.

Side note -- I have roots in CT. My mother is from Waterbury and my Dad from Meriden.

For those traveling...be safe on I-95 (hate that road). Also...here is a link with ticket info, hotel info, some restaurants. If you need more info, just let me know.

https://www.cnusports.com/sports/2019/2/26/2019-ncaa-mens-basketball-tournament.aspx (https://www.cnusports.com/sports/2019/2/26/2019-ncaa-mens-basketball-tournament.aspx)

As '85 said, thanks, Junkie...should be a good game against Saint Albert the Great!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on February 28, 2019, 09:24:49 AM
What's made you suspicious of CNU's schedule, Ryan?  It wasn't great, but it certainly wasn't bad either....

I also found it interesting that you said R-MC might be a year ahead of schedule, in terms of getting to the FF...they've got 5 seniors that play a significant role, so I don't see them being as good next year.  Yes, they'll have Anthony back, but he'll need more help...time will tell.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 28, 2019, 11:20:51 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on February 28, 2019, 09:24:49 AM
What's made you suspicious of CNU's schedule, Ryan?  It wasn't great, but it certainly wasn't bad either....

I also found it interesting that you said R-MC might be a year ahead of schedule, in terms of getting to the FF...they've got 5 seniors that play a significant role, so I don't see them being as good next year.  Yes, they'll have Anthony back, but he'll need more help...time will tell.

I'm curious too.... Here's what I have:
NCAA DIII National Stats
W-L % -- 5th
Scoring Def - 10th
Scoring Margin - 12th
FG % Def - 4th
3PT FG Def - 9th
Total Rebounds -14th
3 PT FG Made - 19th

Individual - Aigner (All-American Material?????)
3PT FGM Per Game - 10th
3 PT FG % - 17th
Total 3PT FGM - 5th

Region Team info
1st in Regional Rankings
Tough Conference - 3 teams made NCAA Tournament
4th in Region v ranked opponents .. 60% W-L %
In-Division SOS -- .545

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on February 28, 2019, 02:54:21 PM
Just looking at the stats for Albertus Magnus, which I've gotten a kick out of saying, and they come at you by committee...only 2 of their 14 players average less than 10 minutes per game and 11 of them score between 2.5 and 9.7 points per game...the other three are in double figures.  Should be a fun game to watch...CNU better be ready!

GO CAPS!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 28, 2019, 05:30:43 PM
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Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: D3HoopJunkie on February 28, 2019, 10:34:38 PM
Thank you to all on here for the information provided. Again I wish I could make it down to the game tomorrow but its just not possible for me this weekend.

I wish I could have passed some of this information along to Coach Olivers' family. He has a large contingency of family and friends that travel to a number of games, both home and away. I'm more than certain that they'll be in attendance tomorrow. We might have a few parents as well as I know that our starting guard Jahmerikah Green Younger has a wonderful family who travels to many of the games too!

Hopefully they'll be a few Falcons in the sea of Captains tomorrow! Homecourt advantages is such a factor in these games and from what I have heard and seen, the CNU Captains faithful can really pack the house!

Once again, good luck to both teams tomorrow. I look forward to the web broadcast!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on March 01, 2019, 08:25:58 AM
Quote from: D3HoopJunkie on February 28, 2019, 10:34:38 PM
Thank you to all on here for the information provided. Again I wish I could make it down to the game tomorrow but its just not possible for me this weekend.

I wish I could have passed some of this information along to Coach Olivers' family. He has a large contingency of family and friends that travel to a number of games, both home and away. I'm more than certain that they'll be in attendance tomorrow. We might have a few parents as well as I know that our starting guard Jahmerikah Green Younger has a wonderful family who travels to many of the games too!

Hopefully they'll be a few Falcons in the sea of Captains tomorrow! Homecourt advantages is such a factor in these games and from what I have heard and seen, the CNU Captains faithful can really pack the house!

Once again, good luck to both teams tomorrow. I look forward to the web broadcast!

I would expect about 1500 in attendance. The sad part is NCAA regulations limiting the participation of pep band/dance team/cheerleaders. I think the limit is 25.........perhaps D-Mac can shed some light on that. Normally the pep band alone is over 50 strong.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 01, 2019, 10:44:10 AM
Quote from: CNU85 on March 01, 2019, 08:25:58 AM
Quote from: D3HoopJunkie on February 28, 2019, 10:34:38 PM
Thank you to all on here for the information provided. Again I wish I could make it down to the game tomorrow but its just not possible for me this weekend.

I wish I could have passed some of this information along to Coach Olivers' family. He has a large contingency of family and friends that travel to a number of games, both home and away. I'm more than certain that they'll be in attendance tomorrow. We might have a few parents as well as I know that our starting guard Jahmerikah Green Younger has a wonderful family who travels to many of the games too!

Hopefully they'll be a few Falcons in the sea of Captains tomorrow! Homecourt advantages is such a factor in these games and from what I have heard and seen, the CNU Captains faithful can really pack the house!

Once again, good luck to both teams tomorrow. I look forward to the web broadcast!

I would expect about 1500 in attendance. The sad part is NCAA regulations limiting the participation of pep band/dance team/cheerleaders. I think the limit is 25.........perhaps D-Mac can shed some light on that. Normally the pep band alone is over 50 strong.

It's 12 for cheerleaders and 25 for band members - schools can bring more, but they have to buy tickets and only 12 and 25 can be in uniform at any one time.  I believe these limits exist in case all four schools in a pod decide to bring 12 cheerleaders and 25 band members; it might get a bit crowded.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on March 01, 2019, 01:27:15 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 01, 2019, 10:44:10 AM
Quote from: CNU85 on March 01, 2019, 08:25:58 AM
Quote from: D3HoopJunkie on February 28, 2019, 10:34:38 PM
Thank you to all on here for the information provided. Again I wish I could make it down to the game tomorrow but its just not possible for me this weekend.

I wish I could have passed some of this information along to Coach Olivers' family. He has a large contingency of family and friends that travel to a number of games, both home and away. I'm more than certain that they'll be in attendance tomorrow. We might have a few parents as well as I know that our starting guard Jahmerikah Green Younger has a wonderful family who travels to many of the games too!

Hopefully they'll be a few Falcons in the sea of Captains tomorrow! Homecourt advantages is such a factor in these games and from what I have heard and seen, the CNU Captains faithful can really pack the house!

Once again, good luck to both teams tomorrow. I look forward to the web broadcast!

I would expect about 1500 in attendance. The sad part is NCAA regulations limiting the participation of pep band/dance team/cheerleaders. I think the limit is 25.........perhaps D-Mac can shed some light on that. Normally the pep band alone is over 50 strong.

It's 12 for cheerleaders and 25 for band members - schools can bring more, but they have to buy tickets and only 12 and 25 can be in uniform at any one time.  I believe these limits exist in case all four schools in a pod decide to bring 12 cheerleaders and 25 band members; it might get a bit crowded.

Cool, thanks!!! What about Dance Team? Part of the 12 cheerleaders?  The reasoning makes sense considering often the venues are limited in size. So.....CNU can have more in the pep band show up with instruments but they can't be in uniform and must pay the price for students (which is free at CNU)??
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on March 01, 2019, 02:52:10 PM
If CNU wins tonight, then there are decisions to be made.....The game Saturday or a Graham Nash concert at CNU. Hmmmmmmm....
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 01, 2019, 02:53:44 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on March 01, 2019, 01:27:15 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 01, 2019, 10:44:10 AM
Quote from: CNU85 on March 01, 2019, 08:25:58 AM
Quote from: D3HoopJunkie on February 28, 2019, 10:34:38 PM
Thank you to all on here for the information provided. Again I wish I could make it down to the game tomorrow but its just not possible for me this weekend.

I wish I could have passed some of this information along to Coach Olivers' family. He has a large contingency of family and friends that travel to a number of games, both home and away. I'm more than certain that they'll be in attendance tomorrow. We might have a few parents as well as I know that our starting guard Jahmerikah Green Younger has a wonderful family who travels to many of the games too!

Hopefully they'll be a few Falcons in the sea of Captains tomorrow! Homecourt advantages is such a factor in these games and from what I have heard and seen, the CNU Captains faithful can really pack the house!

Once again, good luck to both teams tomorrow. I look forward to the web broadcast!

I would expect about 1500 in attendance. The sad part is NCAA regulations limiting the participation of pep band/dance team/cheerleaders. I think the limit is 25.........perhaps D-Mac can shed some light on that. Normally the pep band alone is over 50 strong.

It's 12 for cheerleaders and 25 for band members - schools can bring more, but they have to buy tickets and only 12 and 25 can be in uniform at any one time.  I believe these limits exist in case all four schools in a pod decide to bring 12 cheerleaders and 25 band members; it might get a bit crowded.

Cool, thanks!!! What about Dance Team? Part of the 12 cheerleaders?  The reasoning makes sense considering often the venues are limited in size. So.....CNU can have more in the pep band show up with instruments but they can't be in uniform and must pay the price for students (which is free at CNU)??

It may be free to CNU students, but that would mean that CNU is paying the NCAA for student admissions, because there is no free admission for fans at an NCAA Tournament game aside from the people already mentioned.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on March 01, 2019, 02:55:34 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 01, 2019, 02:53:44 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on March 01, 2019, 01:27:15 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 01, 2019, 10:44:10 AM
Quote from: CNU85 on March 01, 2019, 08:25:58 AM
Quote from: D3HoopJunkie on February 28, 2019, 10:34:38 PM
Thank you to all on here for the information provided. Again I wish I could make it down to the game tomorrow but its just not possible for me this weekend.

I wish I could have passed some of this information along to Coach Olivers' family. He has a large contingency of family and friends that travel to a number of games, both home and away. I'm more than certain that they'll be in attendance tomorrow. We might have a few parents as well as I know that our starting guard Jahmerikah Green Younger has a wonderful family who travels to many of the games too!

Hopefully they'll be a few Falcons in the sea of Captains tomorrow! Homecourt advantages is such a factor in these games and from what I have heard and seen, the CNU Captains faithful can really pack the house!

Once again, good luck to both teams tomorrow. I look forward to the web broadcast!

I would expect about 1500 in attendance. The sad part is NCAA regulations limiting the participation of pep band/dance team/cheerleaders. I think the limit is 25.........perhaps D-Mac can shed some light on that. Normally the pep band alone is over 50 strong.

It's 12 for cheerleaders and 25 for band members - schools can bring more, but they have to buy tickets and only 12 and 25 can be in uniform at any one time.  I believe these limits exist in case all four schools in a pod decide to bring 12 cheerleaders and 25 band members; it might get a bit crowded.

Cool, thanks!!! What about Dance Team? Part of the 12 cheerleaders?  The reasoning makes sense considering often the venues are limited in size. So.....CNU can have more in the pep band show up with instruments but they can't be in uniform and must pay the price for students (which is free at CNU)??

It may be free to CNU students, but that would mean that CNU is paying the NCAA for student admissions, because there is no free admission for fans at an NCAA Tournament game aside from the people already mentioned.

True. CNU historically will not charge students and then they pay the NCAA. Seems to be the case again this year as the ticket office is announcing it is free with valid CNU ID.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on March 01, 2019, 03:01:49 PM
Almost time to start that long drive from my office to CNU..... 1 mile! HA!  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: D3HoopJunkie on March 01, 2019, 04:49:38 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on March 01, 2019, 03:01:49 PM
Almost time to start that long drive from my office to CNU..... 1 mile! HA!  ;D

Ohhh thats just not right CNU85!!  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on March 01, 2019, 07:38:00 PM
Quote from: D3HoopJunkie on March 01, 2019, 04:49:38 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on March 01, 2019, 03:01:49 PM
Almost time to start that long drive from my office to CNU..... 1 mile! HA!  ;D

Ohhh thats just not right CNU85!!  ;D

The ride home is twice as far!!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on March 03, 2019, 09:03:01 AM
D-Mac—-  great show put on by you and the gang of Ryan and Gordon! Nicely done!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: AUPepBand on March 03, 2019, 03:43:38 PM
Congrats to Coach Russ Phillips and the Saxons on an historic memorable outstanding season. Seniors Dom LeMorta, Scotty Stopera, Sage Brown and Pat McLamore Jr. will well be remembered for their grit in achieving their goal of winning an Empire 8 championship and creating a culture of winning at Alfred.

Pep is so proud of the Saxons and their fabulous season-ending run to the title and the NCAA Tournament. This team, at 24-5, is second in AU history for wins in a season, with only the 1985-86 squad (25-3) exceeding their win total.

Congrats also to an outstanding CNU squad. Happy to see a CNU Pep Band in the stands! Rock on! The CNU announcers for the webcast were top notch...much appreciated. Many Saxons followers that Pep spoke with also mentioned the outstanding announcers. Kudos! Best of luck the rest of the way!

On Saxon Warriors!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 03, 2019, 06:57:17 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on March 03, 2019, 09:03:01 AM
D-Mac—-  great show put on by you and the gang of Ryan and Gordon! Nicely done!

Thank you ... appreciate that.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on March 04, 2019, 08:45:38 AM
Quote from: AUPepBand on March 03, 2019, 03:43:38 PM
Congrats to Coach Russ Phillips and the Saxons on an historic memorable outstanding season. Seniors Dom LeMorta, Scotty Stopera, Sage Brown and Pat McLamore Jr. will well be remembered for their grit in achieving their goal of winning an Empire 8 championship and creating a culture of winning at Alfred.

Pep is so proud of the Saxons and their fabulous season-ending run to the title and the NCAA Tournament. This team, at 24-5, is second in AU history for wins in a season, with only the 1985-86 squad (25-3) exceeding their win total.

Congrats also to an outstanding CNU squad. Happy to see a CNU Pep Band in the stands! Rock on! The CNU announcers for the webcast were top notch...much appreciated. Many Saxons followers that Pep spoke with also mentioned the outstanding announcers. Kudos! Best of luck the rest of the way!

On Saxon Warriors!

Classy post, Pep...congrats to Alfred on a great season!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on March 04, 2019, 08:49:50 AM
Quote from: AUPepBand on March 03, 2019, 03:43:38 PM
Congrats to Coach Russ Phillips and the Saxons on an historic memorable outstanding season. Seniors Dom LeMorta, Scotty Stopera, Sage Brown and Pat McLamore Jr. will well be remembered for their grit in achieving their goal of winning an Empire 8 championship and creating a culture of winning at Alfred.

Pep is so proud of the Saxons and their fabulous season-ending run to the title and the NCAA Tournament. This team, at 24-5, is second in AU history for wins in a season, with only the 1985-86 squad (25-3) exceeding their win total.

Congrats also to an outstanding CNU squad. Happy to see a CNU Pep Band in the stands! Rock on! The CNU announcers for the webcast were top notch...much appreciated. Many Saxons followers that Pep spoke with also mentioned the outstanding announcers. Kudos! Best of luck the rest of the way!

On Saxon Warriors!

Thanks Pep! I watched the post game press conference and was impressed. Congrats to the seniors and the coach for setting a goal of E8 Championship and getting it done!.  As far as the CNU pep band...I sent a couple of pics to Ryan during their game day broadcast....the NCAA limits to the 25 you saw...and then the full pep band which probably numbers close to 100. The team and the pep band are a tight knit group. The team goes into the band after big games and the other night during warmups the band sang happy birthday to Marcus Carter.

And the announcers...what do you expect? The play by play guy is from Olean NY!! Not far from Alfred.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: AUPepBand on March 04, 2019, 04:19:27 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on March 04, 2019, 08:49:50 AM
Quote from: AUPepBand on March 03, 2019, 03:43:38 PM
Congrats to Coach Russ Phillips and the Saxons on an historic memorable outstanding season. Seniors Dom LeMorta, Scotty Stopera, Sage Brown and Pat McLamore Jr. will well be remembered for their grit in achieving their goal of winning an Empire 8 championship and creating a culture of winning at Alfred.

Pep is so proud of the Saxons and their fabulous season-ending run to the title and the NCAA Tournament. This team, at 24-5, is second in AU history for wins in a season, with only the 1985-86 squad (25-3) exceeding their win total.

Congrats also to an outstanding CNU squad. Happy to see a CNU Pep Band in the stands! Rock on! The CNU announcers for the webcast were top notch...much appreciated. Many Saxons followers that Pep spoke with also mentioned the outstanding announcers. Kudos! Best of luck the rest of the way!

On Saxon Warriors!

Thanks Pep! I watched the post game press conference and was impressed. Congrats to the seniors and the coach for setting a goal of E8 Championship and getting it done!.  As far as the CNU pep band...I sent a couple of pics to Ryan during their game day broadcast....the NCAA limits to the 25 you saw...and then the full pep band which probably numbers close to 100. The team and the pep band are a tight knit group. The team goes into the band after big games and the other night during warmups the band sang happy birthday to Marcus Carter.

And the announcers...what do you expect? The play by play guy is from Olean NY!! Not far from Alfred.

You could tell he was no stranger to Alfred....along with Bonas Coach Schmidt's boys Nick and Derek playing at Alfred. Hoping a third son, point guard Mike, whose Olean High School team is still undefeated, will wear the purple and gold as well.

On Saxon Warriors!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on March 04, 2019, 04:51:50 PM
Quote from: AUPepBand on March 04, 2019, 04:19:27 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on March 04, 2019, 08:49:50 AM
Quote from: AUPepBand on March 03, 2019, 03:43:38 PM
Congrats to Coach Russ Phillips and the Saxons on an historic memorable outstanding season. Seniors Dom LeMorta, Scotty Stopera, Sage Brown and Pat McLamore Jr. will well be remembered for their grit in achieving their goal of winning an Empire 8 championship and creating a culture of winning at Alfred.

Pep is so proud of the Saxons and their fabulous season-ending run to the title and the NCAA Tournament. This team, at 24-5, is second in AU history for wins in a season, with only the 1985-86 squad (25-3) exceeding their win total.

Congrats also to an outstanding CNU squad. Happy to see a CNU Pep Band in the stands! Rock on! The CNU announcers for the webcast were top notch...much appreciated. Many Saxons followers that Pep spoke with also mentioned the outstanding announcers. Kudos! Best of luck the rest of the way!

On Saxon Warriors!

Thanks Pep! I watched the post game press conference and was impressed. Congrats to the seniors and the coach for setting a goal of E8 Championship and getting it done!.  As far as the CNU pep band...I sent a couple of pics to Ryan during their game day broadcast....the NCAA limits to the 25 you saw...and then the full pep band which probably numbers close to 100. The team and the pep band are a tight knit group. The team goes into the band after big games and the other night during warmups the band sang happy birthday to Marcus Carter.

And the announcers...what do you expect? The play by play guy is from Olean NY!! Not far from Alfred.

You could tell he was no stranger to Alfred....along with Bonas Coach Schmidt's boys Nick and Derek playing at Alfred. Hoping a third son, point guard Mike, whose Olean High School team is still undefeated, will wear the purple and gold as well.

On Saxon Warriors!

His Father-in-law's last name is Sassone.....if that means anything to you guys in that part of the world.  ;D  And The Voice of The Captains...Francis Tommasino was recently inducted into the Olean High Hall of Fame
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ronk on March 04, 2019, 05:38:46 PM
 Olean(St. Bonaventure- Stith brothers, Sam and Tom) was the site of the longest home winning streak in college basketball - over 100 games. I think they played at the local armory.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 08, 2019, 10:49:48 PM

Pretty amazing win for CNU.  I've apologized on twitter, but I'll add it here, too.  Sorry for doubting.  That's one tough team.  Watching Marcus Carter literally drag a leg around the court for 40 minutes and still do what he can do is pretty inspiring.  All the best tomorrow.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Goose_13 on March 09, 2019, 12:00:52 AM
Let's just say I'm going to listen to the first 10 minutes of tomorrow's game and turn it off and forget about it and come back to see the final score around 11 at night. Boy was I in for a surprise to see the final and the fact that CNU out scored Hamilton by 20 in the second half. Williams for sure will definitely be a tough test. Happy they got the home site team out of their and can battle in a neutral floor. Need to do a little research on Williams before tomorrow tip off. So glad the men pulled it off and what a heart breaker in Scranton on the women's side. Can't wait for tomorrow night!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on March 09, 2019, 07:19:42 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 08, 2019, 10:49:48 PM

Pretty amazing win for CNU.  I've apologized on twitter, but I'll add it here, too.  Sorry for doubting.  That's one tough team.  Watching Marcus Carter literally drag a leg around the court for 40 minutes and still do what he can do is pretty inspiring.  All the best tomorrow.

Thanks Ryan.....I logged in this morning just to give you a hard time!! 🤣
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 09, 2019, 08:50:00 AM
Quote from: CNU85 on March 09, 2019, 07:19:42 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 08, 2019, 10:49:48 PM

Pretty amazing win for CNU.  I've apologized on twitter, but I'll add it here, too.  Sorry for doubting.  That's one tough team.  Watching Marcus Carter literally drag a leg around the court for 40 minutes and still do what he can do is pretty inspiring.  All the best tomorrow.

Thanks Ryan.....I logged in this morning just to give you a hard time!! 🤣

I watched a lot of the game, the whole time just unable to compute how one team was beating the other.  That's hard work and coaching, right there.  Really impressive stuff.  A lot like what Williams did to beat Whitman.  I wonder which coach got less sleep last night?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on March 09, 2019, 10:12:46 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 09, 2019, 08:50:00 AM
Quote from: CNU85 on March 09, 2019, 07:19:42 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 08, 2019, 10:49:48 PM

Pretty amazing win for CNU.  I've apologized on twitter, but I'll add it here, too.  Sorry for doubting.  That's one tough team.  Watching Marcus Carter literally drag a leg around the court for 40 minutes and still do what he can do is pretty inspiring.  All the best tomorrow.

Thanks Ryan.....I logged in this morning just to give you a hard time!! 🤣

I watched a lot of the game, the whole time just unable to compute how one team was beating the other.  That's hard work and coaching, right there.  Really impressive stuff.  A lot like what Williams did to beat Whitman.  I wonder which coach got less sleep last night?

I wondered the same. I looked at Williams roster last night. Time for a different game plan. 8 guys 6-7 or taller. I'm sure Coach K will put something competitive together. I like what he said post game last night on CNU radio broadcast......last night would be time for ice and getting the players minds to slow down enough to sleep. As you saw CNU plays hard. And thus they are banged up.....  tonight will be a gut check.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MW_Eagles on March 09, 2019, 09:13:42 PM
Congrats to CNU!  Williams is always a tough out.   
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on March 09, 2019, 09:18:52 PM
Thanks MW. Hopefully we can make some more noise in Indiana!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 10, 2019, 09:29:04 PM
Sad news from Salisbury. Jack Ferguson, who was diagnosed with cancer seven months ago, died this morning. My thoughts are with the team.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on March 11, 2019, 09:08:15 AM
Wow, what a weekend!  Two wins over NESCAC teams, one being against Hamilton on their home court, the other against Williams, who had just knocked off one of the favorites to win it all...that's pretty damn impressive!

GO CAPS!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on March 11, 2019, 09:44:51 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 10, 2019, 09:29:04 PM
Sad news from Salisbury. Jack Ferguson, who was diagnosed with cancer seven months ago, died this morning. My thoughts are with the team.

Sad news indeed. Thanks for the update. Praying for strength for his family.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on March 28, 2019, 01:50:42 PM
Even with their top guys gone, but basically everyone else returning, I'm guessing CNU (Carter gone) and York (Bady) will rule the CAC again next season?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on April 01, 2019, 12:04:38 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on March 28, 2019, 01:50:42 PM
Even with their top guys gone, but basically everyone else returning, I'm guessing CNU (Carter gone) and York (Bady) will rule the CAC again next season?

Never count out Salisbury.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on April 01, 2019, 12:45:09 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on April 01, 2019, 12:04:38 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on March 28, 2019, 01:50:42 PM
Even with their top guys gone, but basically everyone else returning, I'm guessing CNU (Carter gone) and York (Bady) will rule the CAC again next season?

Never count out Salisbury.

Normally, no, but I want to see who the coach is and what the recruiting class looks like first.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on April 02, 2019, 10:21:04 AM
York to the MAC Commonwealth
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on April 02, 2019, 12:03:31 PM
Yep - it was a long dance, but it finally happened: http://www.ycpspartans.com/sports/generalreleases/York_MAC_Announcement

York has been a dedicated member of the CAC. From what I understand, this was not the first time they had been courted by the MAC (not by a long shot), but the time finally came.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on April 03, 2019, 08:40:42 AM
So who's left in the CAC?  I can't keep up....
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: sunny on April 03, 2019, 08:52:48 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on April 03, 2019, 08:40:42 AM
So who's left in the CAC?  I can't keep up....

The only schools left after 2019-20 as of now are:

Salisbury
Christopher Newport
Mary Washington
St. Mary's
Southern Virginia

The first four are state schools.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on April 03, 2019, 09:17:31 AM
Quote from: sunny on April 03, 2019, 08:52:48 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on April 03, 2019, 08:40:42 AM
So who's left in the CAC?  I can't keep up....

The only schools left after 2019-20 as of now are:

Salisbury
Christopher Newport
Mary Washington
St. Mary's
Southern Virginia

The first four are state schools.

Geez, this is bad...it will be interesting to see what comes of the remaining schools.  I wonder if there are any schools the CAC would attempt to lure in?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on April 03, 2019, 10:26:36 AM
I wasn't too worried about the future of the CAC with the schools that were left after the Frostburg and PS-H departure. I figured, a solid York, Salisbury, UMW, CNU was a good core....with SVU eventually a full ODAC member.

Now I'm worried

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on April 03, 2019, 12:01:05 PM
SVU is not going to the ODAC. They were in the running last off-season, but they were not selected. That door is closed. SVU might have another direction, but it isn't happening in the near future (though, I will try and chase that when some other things in my life settle down).

The CAC is not going anywhere. These schools have to stay together for a variety of reasons. Basketball goes on the two-year clock for the AQ starting next season. They will keep the AQ for two years until they get to seven-members again. If they don't, they go to the Pool B first and then get put into Pool C. To be honest, for this conference that is not a big deal.

It is going to be strange, but I also think there are some solutions out there. But as I said to someone, if this goes on for three or four years (and they get down to four teams at that point), then there needs to be a major decision made.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on April 03, 2019, 04:04:40 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on April 03, 2019, 12:01:05 PM
SVU is not going to the ODAC. They were in the running last off-season, but they were not selected. That door is closed. SVU might have another direction, but it isn't happening in the near future (though, I will try and chase that when some other things in my life settle down).

The CAC is not going anywhere. These schools have to stay together for a variety of reasons. Basketball goes on the two-year clock for the AQ starting next season. They will keep the AQ for two years until they get to seven-members again. If they don't, they go to the Pool B first and then get put into Pool C. To be honest, for this conference that is not a big deal.

It is going to be strange, but I also think there are some solutions out there. But as I said to someone, if this goes on for three or four years (and they get down to four teams at that point), then there needs to be a major decision made.

Good points. My worry comes from the thought that other CAC schools, in similar fashion to York, are looking years down the road and looking to find a home sooner rather than later. Plan A is/was to keep the CAC together, and all schools are working on that. But I'm willing to bet every school is working a Plan B. And when a viable Plan B presents itself, they will take it.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MW_Eagles on April 04, 2019, 07:58:08 AM
I'm trying to wrap my head around scheduling with a 5 team league.   I'd imagine you'd have to play every team more than twice as out of conference games would be hard to schedule once the regular sized conferences get into their conference schedules.   Do you play each team 3 or 4 times per season?  Looking across VA and MD, I don't see a lot of teams as possibilities.  Should be interesting to watch. 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on April 04, 2019, 08:29:37 AM
Quote from: MW_Eagles on April 04, 2019, 07:58:08 AM
I'm trying to wrap my head around scheduling with a 5 team league.   I'd imagine you'd have to play every team more than twice as out of conference games would be hard to schedule once the regular sized conferences get into their conference schedules.   Do you play each team 3 or 4 times per season?  Looking across VA and MD, I don't see a lot of teams as possibilities.  Should be interesting to watch.

I wonder how independents handle it? I remember reading about how Thomas More was handling this year. But wonder how independents handle it year after year. Also, look at the American Collegiate (ACAC), currently a 6 team conference including Thomas More. They didn't play any conference games. Also, I see that the teams are put into regions, not the conference, as they are scattered all over. Not sure what benefits of having that conference are. Just seems like the conference name could be "Independents" and nothing would change. D-Mac can set me straight on that (In fact, there may even be write ups about it already that I just missed).  Some in the ACAC didn't play 25 games. And most played non DIII schools once January rolled around. Valley Forge managed to play DIII schools but they are in the middle of a ton of options that enable them to sneak in a game here and there.

Question - can a conference not play regular season conference games and yet still have an AQ from a conference tournament? Is that allowed?

I'm sure this will all sort itself out, but in the meantime it is fun to chat about since it is new.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 04, 2019, 02:16:57 PM
You could certainly play three a triple round-robin, although that would be unusual and probably not popular with coaches. Then again, to play just the eight conference games leaves you with 17 games to fill. Not impossible, but certainly difficult. They could try to enter a scheduling agreement with some other conference, especially if there is one in the area with an odd number of teams, necessitating byes.

Playing eight conference games means you could hold off beginning your conference play until late January and get all your conference games with ease, and you'd have a reasonable shot at getting non-conference games up until the beginning of January. You could give someone like Valley Forge the opportunity to play each of your teams twice, without necessarily granting them conference membership. (Finlandia did this with the UMAC for a couple of years.)

The benefits of the ACAA are pretty minimal -- let your kids compete in a conference tournament, get weekly conference honors and be on an all-conference team. It doesn't really help with scheduling.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on April 04, 2019, 03:18:29 PM
The ODAC has 13....so does the USA South. But I'm not really sure how that works with their 2 divisions. The one closest to the CAC has 6 teams. And honestly, I'm out of touch with everything USA South. I don't have a feel of what the conference is all about and where it is heading.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: jknezek on April 04, 2019, 04:58:59 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on April 04, 2019, 03:18:29 PM
The ODAC has 13....so does the USA South. But I'm not really sure how that works with their 2 divisions. The one closest to the CAC has 6 teams. And honestly, I'm out of touch with everything USA South. I don't have a feel of what the conference is all about and where it is heading.

The USA South just keeps growing until they split. Seems a logical landing point for SVa eventually if they go North/South divisions or full split since the ODAC doesn't seem interested outside football, a mutual need. The ODAC prohibits public schools, so the CAC rump won't get any relief that direction without major bylaw changes. A scheduling agreement? Maybe, but the ODAC already has issues with not playing a full double round robin in sports that traditionally play that kind of schedule. So while you'd get typical OOC times, I just don't see the ODAC needing extra games during conference season.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on April 05, 2019, 06:47:17 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on April 04, 2019, 02:16:57 PM
You could certainly play three a triple round-robin, although that would be unusual and probably not popular with coaches. Then again, to play just the eight conference games leaves you with 17 games to fill. Not impossible, but certainly difficult. They could try to enter a scheduling agreement with some other conference, especially if there is one in the area with an odd number of teams, necessitating byes.

Playing eight conference games means you could hold off beginning your conference play until late January and get all your conference games with ease, and you'd have a reasonable shot at getting non-conference games up until the beginning of January. You could give someone like Valley Forge the opportunity to play each of your teams twice, without necessarily granting them conference membership. (Finlandia did this with the UMAC for a couple of years.)

The benefits of the ACAA are pretty minimal -- let your kids compete in a conference tournament, get weekly conference honors and be on an all-conference team. It doesn't really help with scheduling.


They could do like the NAC and set up Friday-Saturday games at the same location against the same team... just do it as a home and home.  Sixteen conference games and nine out of conference.  No one would like that, but it would be convenient.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 05, 2019, 10:52:20 AM
A quadruple round-robin?  ???
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on April 05, 2019, 12:52:22 PM
Scheduling is a problem potentially, but the NESCAC schools (like Middlebury) have to schedule the same amount of games each year. It isn't fun, I grant you, but there are plenty of opponents in this region to play. More money might need to be spent on tournaments away (there is a great one in Vegas, I am told), but I think it is doable at least as a stop-gap.

If we are four years into this and nothing has changed, then I think something bigger needs to be done, but I think this conference can get through the next three to four years.

There are ideas they can move towards. The USA South split (in whatever form) is only an option for SVU at best. The ODAC is not an option. The NEAC may splinter (long story for another time) and some of those schools may have no choice but to join the CAC (ironic for PSU Harrisburg). And I think there are other options (no, the NJAC super merger won't be one of those options). Heck, even the MAC could have a couple of splinters (they always get too big and then shed members). And yeah, the ACAA is not an option for a lot of reasons.

Just have to think things through and NOT overreact.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: sunny on April 05, 2019, 01:40:03 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on April 05, 2019, 12:52:22 PM
Scheduling is a problem potentially, but the NESCAC schools (like Middlebury) have to schedule the same amount of games each year. It isn't fun, I grant you, but there are plenty of opponents in this region to play. More money might need to be spent on tournaments away (there is a great one in Vegas, I am told), but I think it is doable at least as a stop-gap.

If we are four years into this and nothing has changed, then I think something bigger needs to be done, but I think this conference can get through the next three to four years.

There are ideas they can move towards. The USA South split (in whatever form) is only an option for SVU at best. The ODAC is not an option. The NEAC may splinter (long story for another time) and some of those schools may have no choice but to join the CAC (ironic for PSU Harrisburg). And I think there are other options (no, the NJAC super merger won't be one of those options). Heck, even the MAC could have a couple of splinters (they always get too big and then shed members). And yeah, the ACAA is not an option for a lot of reasons.

Just have to think things through and NOT overreact.

IMHO, the NESCAC comparison is a little flimsy. As you obviously know, some of those schools schedule a second game against conference opponents as a non-conference game. In the case of a five-school CAC, that additional game would be a *third* game against the same school, not second - which is obviously still an option, but not quite as attractive as Bowdoin-Bates playing twice with one being non-conference. Second, some of these NESCAC schools can basically throw a rock and hit a couple non-conference opponents. (Though I think we're obviously seeing the tipping point in college saturation in part of New England ...)

Scheduling is absolutely going to be the critical concern for Salisbury, CNU, and Mary Wash - not just in basketball but in many sports. It's tough to fill all your Saturdays with non-conference games in the back half of most sports seasons so for them, a small league is better than no league at all. Oddly, all other things being equal*, the NCAA Tournament chances for those three schools would likely go up in most sports if they go into Pool B. For St. Mary's and Southern Virginia, the scheduling AND the AQ access will be critical concerns.  So, I can see Salisbury, CNU, and Mary Wash being the most patient - while filling out a non-conference schedule while being in a five-school league will be a chore in most sports, it's still less of a chore to do so as an independent. As for SVU and SMC, I can't see them not jumping at the first chance they'd get to be in a stabilized conference, provided the geography is not completely untenable to them. Existing outside the AQ structure across the board for either of those two athletic departments for any extended period of time would not be healthy, IMHO.

So, on the one hand, yes, the two-year window is good in some ways since it buys the CAC some time -- but on the other hand that gives SMC and SVU two years to find other options. I can't imagine they want to exist for anything more than a year floating in Pool B without having a definitive Pool A home locked up. I honestly think this is a race between one or both of those two schools finding another home versus the CAC lining up more members. That doesn't even account for the possibility of something like one of those "big three" pulling a Frostburg, but I don't see that as necessarily any better for them on the surface ... but, hey, how many people five years ago would have thought Frostburg was going to go DII?

In short, I'll agree with other posters who have intimated that all options have to be on the table for these schools and they can definitely be working on finding new member schools while at the same time preparing their own parachutes ...
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on April 05, 2019, 02:45:10 PM
DII is not an option for CNU. It presents even more obstacles and issues than a 5 team CAC. Increased travel costs being one. There are not many DII schools around. And of course, scholarships. CNU would want to be competitive and thus would have to offer scholarships. I did the math a while back....can't remember exactly, but I think it was somewhere around $2.4 million per year needed each year to provide the scholarships allowed for the sports offered. We just don't have the endowment for that.

D-Mac -- I like your points of view....I'm confused though....who is overreacting?

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on April 06, 2019, 04:05:15 PM
Quote from: sunny on April 05, 2019, 01:40:03 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on April 05, 2019, 12:52:22 PM
Scheduling is a problem potentially, but the NESCAC schools (like Middlebury) have to schedule the same amount of games each year. It isn't fun, I grant you, but there are plenty of opponents in this region to play. More money might need to be spent on tournaments away (there is a great one in Vegas, I am told), but I think it is doable at least as a stop-gap.

If we are four years into this and nothing has changed, then I think something bigger needs to be done, but I think this conference can get through the next three to four years.

There are ideas they can move towards. The USA South split (in whatever form) is only an option for SVU at best. The ODAC is not an option. The NEAC may splinter (long story for another time) and some of those schools may have no choice but to join the CAC (ironic for PSU Harrisburg). And I think there are other options (no, the NJAC super merger won't be one of those options). Heck, even the MAC could have a couple of splinters (they always get too big and then shed members). And yeah, the ACAA is not an option for a lot of reasons.

Just have to think things through and NOT overreact.

IMHO, the NESCAC comparison is a little flimsy. As you obviously know, some of those schools schedule a second game against conference opponents as a non-conference game. In the case of a five-school CAC, that additional game would be a *third* game against the same school, not second - which is obviously still an option, but not quite as attractive as Bowdoin-Bates playing twice with one being non-conference. Second, some of these NESCAC schools can basically throw a rock and hit a couple non-conference opponents. (Though I think we're obviously seeing the tipping point in college saturation in part of New England ...)

Scheduling is absolutely going to be the critical concern for Salisbury, CNU, and Mary Wash - not just in basketball but in many sports. It's tough to fill all your Saturdays with non-conference games in the back half of most sports seasons so for them, a small league is better than no league at all. Oddly, all other things being equal*, the NCAA Tournament chances for those three schools would likely go up in most sports if they go into Pool B. For St. Mary's and Southern Virginia, the scheduling AND the AQ access will be critical concerns.  So, I can see Salisbury, CNU, and Mary Wash being the most patient - while filling out a non-conference schedule while being in a five-school league will be a chore in most sports, it's still less of a chore to do so as an independent. As for SVU and SMC, I can't see them not jumping at the first chance they'd get to be in a stabilized conference, provided the geography is not completely untenable to them. Existing outside the AQ structure across the board for either of those two athletic departments for any extended period of time would not be healthy, IMHO.

So, on the one hand, yes, the two-year window is good in some ways since it buys the CAC some time -- but on the other hand that gives SMC and SVU two years to find other options. I can't imagine they want to exist for anything more than a year floating in Pool B without having a definitive Pool A home locked up. I honestly think this is a race between one or both of those two schools finding another home versus the CAC lining up more members. That doesn't even account for the possibility of something like one of those "big three" pulling a Frostburg, but I don't see that as necessarily any better for them on the surface ... but, hey, how many people five years ago would have thought Frostburg was going to go DII?

In short, I'll agree with other posters who have intimated that all options have to be on the table for these schools and they can definitely be working on finding new member schools while at the same time preparing their own parachutes ...

sunny - you might notice that when I referenced the NESCAC I also referenced Middlebury. Feel free to check their schedule and do tell me where the extra game against a conference foe is located. My reference wasn't flimsy. Middlebury has like 16 out of conference games to schedule. We have talked about it with their coach on Hoopsville just this season. You are right that Amherst, Williams, Wesleyan, Bates, Bowdoin, and Colby schedule second games for TWO more games they don't have to schedule ... but the rest of the conference does NOT. But, 16 minus 2 is ... still a lot of non-conference games to schedule.

And I made the reference also knowing that for CNU, SAL, UMW, and SMC, you aren't that far from the USA South, ODAC, Landmark, MACC, NJAC, and MACF even. No, they aren't around the corner, but again to my Middlebury reference ... they aren't horrendously far away either. Again ... I used Middlebury as my reference for very good reason.

As for the worry about CNU, SAL, UMW versus SMC and SVU ... the situation with Pool B will be identical to the situation they are currently in (and will be for two more seasons). Realistically, SMC and SVU have to get in via the AQ or it is a bust. They just haven't been putting programs together that will warrant at-large opportunities in recent years. Sure, the AQ will be gone in two years time, but I think the idea of them getting it - with current situations remaining somewhat constant - was a long-stretch anyway. The at-large has been their best bet and they don't have the programs to do it even now. I just don't see that changing to make it a massive concern moving forward.

But I disagree that the chances of CNU, SAL, and UMW having their chances go up for NCAA berths. I think they stay the same. They may lose the AQ in two years, but they are now getting in via Pool B. The best team in the conference was most likely taking the AQ, now the Pool B replaces that. The next best teams were most likely Pool C candidates... that still remains moving forward after they possibly lose the AQ bids.

As for the future ... I have more more phone calls on this topic and triple-confirmed information more than I have wanted to .. because I have to keep putting out rumors and overreactions (you should see my phone in the last few weeks). None of the teams are seriously considering DII. Sure, they probably have researched it because they have to do their due diligence, but I have talked to someone (or more than one) in every office and DII just isn't on the "realistic radars." The costs alone would make it prohibitive. Furthermore, look at a DII map ... there ain't much in this neck of the woods. The travel and time needed to join a conference and play in one is even worse than their current situations. Sure, someone might get desperate, but I am being told that no one is stomaching the idea of going DII (not to mention, for Salisbury it could very well kill their lacrosse and other programs; for football, I'm not convinced it is a better plan, either).

Per the overreactions - I was told by someone who had "gleaned" that Salisbury was preparing to be a DIII independent. So, I did my own groundwork and found that rumor to be absolutely the furthest from the truth. The number of rumors swirling around, especially the coaching ranks, is staggering. People have to look at the big picture and realize this may be one of the rare DIII conferences that can absolutely exist without an AQ while dealing at worst with scheduling challenges - which can be handled.

So ... schools may have looked at other options, but everyone I have talked to that I trust and would know a lot better than the rumor mills ... these schools plan to stick together and find partners that do exist on paper ... they just need to find ways to pull the triggers and make it work. Heck, the CAC could also exist in a smaller way as a portal for many schools transitioning into the division or transitioning in general - much like the old ACFC.

There is no reason to have parachutes, I'll add. There are no conferences that will take these teams in (outside of SVU and maybe SMC). They can't become independent because that gets them into more trouble especially with schedules. The CAC will remain even if it is down to just four members.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on April 08, 2019, 04:04:32 PM
Perfectly said D-Mac!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on April 10, 2019, 02:21:25 PM
I'm obviously late getting to this, but I wanted to congratulate CNU on another great season! 

They just couldn't get over the hump against Swarthmore...for me, it was their big men inside that made the difference...they were good on offense and defense, particularly O'Dell, which really kept the Captains at bay.  In turn, Oshkosh was able to do that to Swarthmore...when you have a center in D3 w/the size and talent of Flynn, coupled w/that supporting cast, it's easy to see how they won it all.

Thanks to the seniors for all the great memories...I wish you much success in the future! (as if they read this) :)

GO CAPS! 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Caz Bombers on April 17, 2019, 02:20:43 PM
CAC commissioner on the record here. Sounds like they're being proactive and burning up the phone lines.

https://pilotonline.com/sports/college/elsewhere/basketball/article_704a48a4-612f-11e9-a42b-f33abc760fab.html
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on April 17, 2019, 08:28:16 PM
Oh, they absolutely are being proactive. I know they have been since the new commish came in the door. I know they are having conversations at all opportunities. It is just a matter of figuring it out. They aren't like other conferences and sitting for two years waiting to figure it out. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on April 19, 2019, 10:07:57 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on April 17, 2019, 08:28:16 PM
Oh, they absolutely are being proactive. I know they have been since the new commish came in the door. I know they are having conversations at all opportunities. It is just a matter of figuring it out. They aren't like other conferences and sitting for two years waiting to figure it out. :)

Dave, if you had to take stab (and given what was written in the article linked above), which outcome do you believe is more likely, even if ever so slightly?

(1) The CAC folds as Salisbury is courted successfully by another conference (or they continue sniffing around for other options...................as Stevenson did when they departed the CAC for the MAC)
(2) The CAC is successful, in the Commisioner's words. of getting the conference to 10-12 teams, with two divisions

If Salisbury were to follow Stevenson's lead and leave the CAC for the MAC or another conference, I don't know how the CAC gets close to 10 teams, let alone 12 teams. I don't know how the 12 happens even if Salisbury stays put. Are there that many teams anxious to move from their current conference to a reconstituted CAC, especially that make sense in that geography down South? You know MUCH better than me. Thanks!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on April 19, 2019, 11:30:18 AM
I don't think it is either option. I think it is in between. I think they are successful and stick around - through some dark times - and regain their AQ with an 8-member conference. That's how I see it probably playing out right now.

I don't see as 10-12 member conference because I don't see where that membership comes from unless a significant conference imploded or split up - and while I've heard rumor/talk of that from time to time ... I don't see it happening in reality.

The reason Salisbury, CNU, UMW, SMC are in this situation is because schools didn't want to be in the conference with them anymore (from budgets to success to bogus reasons). Thus, where in the world is Salisbury (or any of the rest) going to go where they would be welcomed? It is the same in reverse. However, I think there is more likelihood of finding a few schools to join the conference than I think there is three of the four in that group find a new home.

I think you are also putting too much weight in Salisbury finding a new home. The only one of the four (assuming that S. Virginia finds a new home, of course) I could see successfully going elsewhere is St. Mary's ... but that isn't a sure thing, either.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on April 20, 2019, 08:24:23 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on April 19, 2019, 11:30:18 AM
I don't think it is either option. I think it is in between. I think they are successful and stick around - through some dark times - and regain their AQ with an 8-member conference. That's how I see it probably playing out right now.

I don't see as 10-12 member conference because I don't see where that membership comes from unless a significant conference imploded or split up - and while I've heard rumor/talk of that from time to time ... I don't see it happening in reality.

The reason Salisbury, CNU, UMW, SMC are in this situation is because schools didn't want to be in the conference with them anymore (from budgets to success to bogus reasons). Thus, where in the world is Salisbury (or any of the rest) going to go where they would be welcomed? It is the same in reverse. However, I think there is more likelihood of finding a few schools to join the conference than I think there is three of the four in that group find a new home.

I think you are also putting too much weight in Salisbury finding a new home. The only one of the four (assuming that S. Virginia finds a new home, of course) I could see successfully going elsewhere is St. Mary's ... but that isn't a sure thing, either.

Thanks as always Dave for the great info!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MRMIKESMITH on April 24, 2019, 03:14:55 PM
Dave,

Would the CAC do what the NJAC just did with Tennis or would budgets be to damaging for the teams?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on April 25, 2019, 01:29:10 PM
Quote from: MANDGSU on April 24, 2019, 03:14:55 PM
Dave,

Would the CAC do what the NJAC just did with Tennis or would budgets be to damaging for the teams?

Remind me exactly what the NJAC did with tennis ... I get a lot of things jumbled.

And just as an aside, tennis is a different beast in so many ways anyway... but that might be besides the point.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Caz Bombers on April 25, 2019, 01:35:22 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on April 25, 2019, 01:29:10 PM
Quote from: MANDGSU on April 24, 2019, 03:14:55 PM
Dave,

Would the CAC do what the NJAC just did with Tennis or would budgets be to damaging for the teams?

Remind me exactly what the NJAC did with tennis ... I get a lot of things jumbled.

And just as an aside, tennis is a different beast in so many ways anyway... but that might be besides the point.

for men's tennis, took the four full members they have who sponsor it (Ramapo, TCNJ, RUN, RUC), brought in UW-Whitewater, La Crosse and Eau Claire, plus SUNY Oneonta. Pool B the next two seasons, then A in spring '22.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on April 25, 2019, 01:36:39 PM
Quote from: Caz Bombers on April 25, 2019, 01:35:22 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on April 25, 2019, 01:29:10 PM
Quote from: MANDGSU on April 24, 2019, 03:14:55 PM
Dave,

Would the CAC do what the NJAC just did with Tennis or would budgets be to damaging for the teams?

Remind me exactly what the NJAC did with tennis ... I get a lot of things jumbled.

And just as an aside, tennis is a different beast in so many ways anyway... but that might be besides the point.

for men's tennis, took the four full members they have who sponsor it (Ramapo, TCNJ, RUN, RUC), brought in UW-Whitewater, La Crosse and Eau Claire, plus SUNY Oneonta. Pool B the next two seasons, then A in spring '22.

Oh ... so ... not sure who the CAC would grab, but that could certainly happen. But again ... not sure who they could grab. I doubt anyone in the ACAA would be interested.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on April 26, 2019, 10:07:00 AM
Quote from: Caz Bombers on April 25, 2019, 01:35:22 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on April 25, 2019, 01:29:10 PM
Quote from: MANDGSU on April 24, 2019, 03:14:55 PM
Dave,

Would the CAC do what the NJAC just did with Tennis or would budgets be to damaging for the teams?

Remind me exactly what the NJAC did with tennis ... I get a lot of things jumbled.

And just as an aside, tennis is a different beast in so many ways anyway... but that might be besides the point.

for men's tennis, took the four full members they have who sponsor it (Ramapo, TCNJ, RUN, RUC), brought in UW-Whitewater, La Crosse and Eau Claire, plus SUNY Oneonta. Pool B the next two seasons, then A in spring '22.

Or Golf where Babson is a CAC member.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: guest323 on April 26, 2019, 01:20:31 PM
Andy Sachs to Chesapeake College (juco)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on May 29, 2019, 04:25:17 PM
Congrats to Savaonte Chappell......quite the honor!

https://www.cnusports.com/news/2019/5/29/savonte-chappell.aspx?fbclid=IwAR3Tvy_K-bLUlEqtWhelZFA19N0EuiRzyMeiBoqzbfLKBR-taWQ7THmDEgU (https://www.cnusports.com/news/2019/5/29/savonte-chappell.aspx?fbclid=IwAR3Tvy_K-bLUlEqtWhelZFA19N0EuiRzyMeiBoqzbfLKBR-taWQ7THmDEgU)

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MW_Eagles on June 03, 2019, 08:58:40 PM
It's going to be interesting to see the remaining CAC teams fill a schedule with only 10 conference games.   UMW is taking a trip to the west coast for 3 games.   
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on June 04, 2019, 08:01:06 AM
Quote from: MW_Eagles on June 03, 2019, 08:58:40 PM
It's going to be interesting to see the remaining CAC teams fill a schedule with only 10 conference games.   UMW is taking a trip to the west coast for 3 games.

Lots of tournament trips, like the one you just mentioned. But those are all before conference play starts for everyone. That's when the scheduling will get a little tougher.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on July 15, 2019, 10:26:09 AM
Schedules are beginning to be posted... and like you thought, lots of tourneys to fill up the schedule..

St Mary's in FIVE tourneys!!

11/8, 11/9  Dan Greene Memorial at St. Mary's
11/16, 11/17  Battle of Md/DC  at Hood
12/19, 12/20  Puerto Rico Tourney
12/28, 12/29  Washington and Lee Tourney
1/4, 1/5    Elizabethtown Tourney

Can't imagine a five tourney schedule has occurred too often, if ever....
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on October 30, 2019, 09:27:38 AM
Here we go!!!! Exhibition game tonight @ ODU.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on November 01, 2019, 03:20:14 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on October 30, 2019, 09:27:38 AM
Here we go!!!! Exhibition game tonight @ ODU.

CNU only trailed by 13 at the half, which is respectable, but ends up losing by 29...they were also held to 19% shooting from the field...ouch!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: jesskleangda on November 01, 2019, 06:41:26 PM
One week from today!  I can't wait.

UMW has a fun season ahead, including three games on the west coast.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: jesskleangda on November 01, 2019, 06:43:48 PM
Oh - and there isn't a single Senior on UMW.  So the next two season should be real fun!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 05, 2019, 01:15:01 PM
Quote from: jesskleangda on November 01, 2019, 06:43:48 PM
Oh - and there isn't a single Senior on UMW.  So the next two season should be real fun!

Maybe. Nothing against Coach Marcus ... but we've been waiting for the program to break out. I would love to see them take that final step up, but I'll wait to see it. Maybe it happens with this group.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 05, 2019, 01:38:58 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 05, 2019, 01:15:01 PM
Quote from: jesskleangda on November 01, 2019, 06:43:48 PM
Oh - and there isn't a single Senior on UMW.  So the next two season should be real fun!

Maybe. Nothing against Coach Marcus ... but we've been waiting for the program to break out. I would love to see them take that final step up, but I'll wait to see it. Maybe it happens with this group.

Dave, is the Hoopsville website down?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 05, 2019, 01:56:11 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on November 05, 2019, 01:38:58 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 05, 2019, 01:15:01 PM
Quote from: jesskleangda on November 01, 2019, 06:43:48 PM
Oh - and there isn't a single Senior on UMW.  So the next two season should be real fun!

Maybe. Nothing against Coach Marcus ... but we've been waiting for the program to break out. I would love to see them take that final step up, but I'll wait to see it. Maybe it happens with this group.

Dave, is the Hoopsville website down?

No ... something odd happened in the off season. I am still trying to resolve, but it is slightly above my tech side right now. I will put in another "ticket." LOL

www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville is where it redirects anyway, so you can use that temporarily.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 06, 2019, 11:01:53 AM
CNU had another exhibition game vs a DII opponent. Led at the half. Lost in OT by 2. Saw some good things. Cutch didn't play. He's getting ready for the real games. Some good minutes by a couple of Freshmen. A sophomore D1 transfer had good minutes and good stats. I'm thinking he will find his way into the starting lineup at some point. CNU landed a 6A first team All-State player, but I didn't notice if played this game.

I didn't notice a clear favorite at point guard. Not sure what that will mean. 

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: jesskleangda on November 10, 2019, 12:37:50 PM
good start to the season for UMW.  SHOOTERS!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MW_Eagles on November 10, 2019, 09:50:46 PM
Good start for UMW, but where was Rowson?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 12, 2019, 02:58:45 PM
Home opener in a few hours. Looking forward to seeing the Captains in a regular season game. The fun has begun!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 22, 2019, 02:42:56 PM
A quiet board...especially now that there are much fewer teams in CAC.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MW_Eagles on November 22, 2019, 11:34:31 PM
Agree.  Been very quiet so far.   Nice win by MW tonight and a bounce back from a bad Bridgewater loss. 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 25, 2019, 08:14:34 AM
Quote from: MW_Eagles on November 22, 2019, 11:34:31 PM
Agree.  Been very quiet so far.   Nice win by MW tonight and a bounce back from a bad Bridgewater loss.

I need to start following the season a little closer now that things have slowed down a little in my world. A friend of mine (former personal trainer) has a daughter that plays for UMW now. She transferred in from a D2 school. I will def make that game at CNU.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on November 25, 2019, 10:42:59 AM
Quote from: CNU85 on November 25, 2019, 08:14:34 AM
Quote from: MW_Eagles on November 22, 2019, 11:34:31 PM
Agree.  Been very quiet so far.   Nice win by MW tonight and a bounce back from a bad Bridgewater loss.

I need to start following the season a little closer now that things have slowed down a little in my world. A friend of mine (former personal trainer) has a daughter that plays for UMW now. She transferred in from a D2 school. I will def make that game at CNU.

Why not CNU?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 25, 2019, 02:05:37 PM

I'm headed to CNU this weekend for the tournament.  Feel free to find me and say hello, I always love meeting posters in person.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 25, 2019, 02:26:22 PM
I will be there Ryan. Send a PM if you want to hook up before a game for some food and drink. Otherwise I sit just under the cameras up high at mid court.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 25, 2019, 02:38:31 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on November 25, 2019, 02:26:22 PM
I will be there Ryan. Send a PM if you want to hook up before a game for some food and drink. Otherwise I sit just under the cameras up high at mid court.

I'm assuming I'll have a press seat somewhere.  This is my first time at CNU.  I'm excited for it.  My family is coming with me, so I don't think I'll be free for meals this time around.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 25, 2019, 03:21:29 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 25, 2019, 02:38:31 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on November 25, 2019, 02:26:22 PM
I will be there Ryan. Send a PM if you want to hook up before a game for some food and drink. Otherwise I sit just under the cameras up high at mid court.

I'm assuming I'll have a press seat somewhere.  This is my first time at CNU.  I'm excited for it.  My family is coming with me, so I don't think I'll be free for meals this time around.

Very nice. I'm assuming you are talking with someone in AD? If not, let me know. I'll hook ya up!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 25, 2019, 03:27:43 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 25, 2019, 02:38:31 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on November 25, 2019, 02:26:22 PM
I will be there Ryan. Send a PM if you want to hook up before a game for some food and drink. Otherwise I sit just under the cameras up high at mid court.

I'm assuming I'll have a press seat somewhere.  This is my first time at CNU.  I'm excited for it.  My family is coming with me, so I don't think I'll be free for meals this time around.

Also, let me know if you need suggestions for things to do/places to go or eat etc. I'll help best I can.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 26, 2019, 12:51:10 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on November 22, 2019, 02:42:56 PM
A quiet board...especially now that there are much fewer teams in CAC.

Just wait until York leaves. Yikes!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 27, 2019, 10:17:13 AM
Well the good news is the weather is calling for rain in NN Saturday evening and Sunday. So......no yard work. I guess I will go to CNU and watch 4 hoops games and see some teams I have never seen before.

Bad news is....it is fall break. No pep band. Few students. The atmosphere will be ok, but not great.

Also - checking weather for teams coming into town. So far not looking too bad.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on December 11, 2019, 02:15:53 PM
Is there anyone hearing or has more on the rumors about Wesley closing? That their staying open is solely dependent on full state funding? Their argument being students are from and remain in DE. Wesley is down 372 students over the past 5 years per Delaware Business Times. Friends daughter is an adjunct there. She mentioned of hearing rumors of absorption by Delaware or Del State.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 11, 2019, 04:51:26 PM
Quote from: CCHoopster on December 11, 2019, 02:15:53 PM
Is there anyone hearing or has more on the rumors about Wesley closing? That their staying open is solely dependent on full state funding? Their argument being students are from and remain in DE. Wesley is down 372 students over the past 5 years per Delaware Business Times. Friends daughter is an adjunct there. She mentioned of hearing rumors of absorption by Delaware or Del State.

I live in Delaware.  Wesley's already re-appropriated (with permission) a little more than a million dollars in state funds earmarked for a historic library the school took over recently.  They just asked for about $3m more in public funds.  The State's most vocal Republican lawmaker is an alum, so its unlikely to become a partisan political issue unless the Dems (the party in full control of state gov't) decide to make it one.

It's hard to know much, because we don't really have any local media.

Personally, I find it hard to imagine they can recover.  Wesley essentially serves a very similar population to Del State and it's two miles down the road.  Del State has been massively improving in recent years and it would make a lot of sense for them to absorb Wesley.

What we have learned from the recent closures in New England is that it typically happens very fast.  In Wesley's case, something major is going to have to happen in the next six months - either the State agrees to prop them up (highly doubtful in an election year) or there's a merger.

I have no real idea what way it will go.  As a taxpayer, though, I'd prefer the latter.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 11, 2019, 11:11:30 PM
If anyone didn't see the news: https://www.d3sports.com/notables/2019/12/southern-virginia-on-move

And as early as Thursday morning the conference will be down to three for the 2021-22 season.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on December 12, 2019, 09:27:48 AM
Down to 3 or 4?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: DCAbloob on December 12, 2019, 11:45:21 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on December 12, 2019, 09:27:48 AM
Down to 3 or 4?

Three. St. Mary's (MD) announced that it would join the NEAC, effective 2021-22.
https://smcmathletics.com/general/2019-20/releases/20191212euo68z
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on December 12, 2019, 02:01:57 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 11, 2019, 04:51:26 PM
Quote from: CCHoopster on December 11, 2019, 02:15:53 PM
Is there anyone hearing or has more on the rumors about Wesley closing? That their staying open is solely dependent on full state funding? Their argument being students are from and remain in DE. Wesley is down 372 students over the past 5 years per Delaware Business Times. Friends daughter is an adjunct there. She mentioned of hearing rumors of absorption by Delaware or Del State.

I live in Delaware.  Wesley's already re-appropriated (with permission) a little more than a million dollars in state funds earmarked for a historic library the school took over recently.  They just asked for about $3m more in public funds.  The State's most vocal Republican lawmaker is an alum, so its unlikely to become a partisan political issue unless the Dems (the party in full control of state gov't) decide to make it one.

It's hard to know much, because we don't really have any local media.

Personally, I find it hard to imagine they can recover.  Wesley essentially serves a very similar population to Del State and it's two miles down the road.  Del State has been massively improving in recent years and it would make a lot of sense for them to absorb Wesley.

What we have learned from the recent closures in New England is that it typically happens very fast.  In Wesley's case, something major is going to have to happen in the next six months - either the State agrees to prop them up (highly doubtful in an election year) or there's a merger.

I have no real idea what way it will go.  As a taxpayer, though, I'd prefer the latter.

Ryan, I can't give away a source here (a very senior exec with Delaware based Bank of America let's just say) but Wesley is on life support. I don't know the "when", but wherever you are getting your information about DSU absorbing Wesley is VERY spot on. These talks have been taking place and it could happen sooner vs. later. Getting yet more funding from the state has been called, "putting a band aid on someone about to lose a limb" (think Monty Python). I'm not sure if there are a few well heeled alums who feel compelled to write big checks, but a buddy of mine said that they have gone down that path and one or two of those people think that would be throwing good money after bad. I don't know how it ends up...........but personally think Wesley shuts it's doors in the not too distant future.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on December 12, 2019, 02:08:15 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 11, 2019, 11:11:30 PM
If anyone didn't see the news: https://www.d3sports.com/notables/2019/12/southern-virginia-on-move

And as early as Thursday morning the conference will be down to three for the 2021-22 season.

This and St. Mary's to the NEAC (the NEAC???????) has conference roulette spinning yet again. If Wesley does in fact shut it's doors, I wonder what the NJAC does in football and what the new Atlantic east does for all other sports. Mark my words.......the MAC will play some part in this. What part? Ken has never said but there are a few rumors flying around (a possible Stevenson departure?) as the roulette wheel will continue to spin round and round and round....................
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on December 12, 2019, 02:36:47 PM
Sheesh, I did not realize just how far south St. Mary's was in Maryland.........kind of in the middle of nowhere. I have a buddy who works for the Southern Maryland Bluecrabs.........and he kind of says the same thing about Waldorf (sp?). The NEAC is now composed of one division with 6 Upstate NY schools and one division with 5 PA and 1 D.C. schools. Unless the NEAC knows about a coming departure in the southern division or a 7th NY school being added to the northern division, I don't know how this news excites the conference (and existing 12 schools).

How far is the drive from St. Mary's to the Abington, Lancaster, Reading, Williamsport, PA areas? It doesn't look like a lot of fun for the mid-week games. Also, they will play four of the six NY schools each season. THAT is a hike!! Given their location, was this really their only option?

Can't the MD D-III schools form a "mini-MAC" (all PA schools except for FDU and Stevenson) made up of MD schools? Dave, how many D-III schools are located in MD ?If Wesley shuts it down (as a school), Salisbury is probably looking for a new football home...............and then the NJAC probably implodes (football.......as I have no idea who they bring in since FDU won't happen).

As more small schools close their doors (and others look to reduce expenses, especially athletic), I guess this conference roulette wheel will be with us forever.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 12, 2019, 05:44:24 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on December 12, 2019, 02:36:47 PM
Sheesh, I did not realize just how far south St. Mary's was in Maryland.........kind of in the middle of nowhere. I have a buddy who works for the Southern Maryland Bluecrabs.........and he kind of says the same thing about Waldorf (sp?). The NEAC is now composed of one division with 6 Upstate NY schools and one division with 5 PA and 1 D.C. schools. Unless the NEAC knows about a coming departure in the southern division or a 7th NY school being added to the northern division, I don't know how this news excites the conference (and existing 12 schools).

How far is the drive from St. Mary's to the Abington, Lancaster, Reading, Williamsport, PA areas? It doesn't look like a lot of fun for the mid-week games. Also, they will play four of the six NY schools each season. THAT is a hike!! Given their location, was this really their only option?

Can't the MD D-III schools form a "mini-MAC" (all PA schools except for FDU and Stevenson) made up of MD schools? Dave, how many D-III schools are located in MD ?If Wesley shuts it down (as a school), Salisbury is probably looking for a new football home...............and then the NJAC probably implodes (football.......as I have no idea who they bring in since FDU won't happen).

As more small schools close their doors (and others look to reduce expenses, especially athletic), I guess this conference roulette wheel will be with us forever.

The NEAC will lose three of those NY schools next season to two different conferences ... and they will probably lose a Mid-Atlantic one to another conference soon as well.

BTW the NJAC is a 8-team conference. They can actually afford to lose Wesley in the current rules and be fine.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 12, 2019, 05:44:32 PM
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Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ronk on December 13, 2019, 02:25:54 PM
 Dave McHugh's rec to maintain the CAC conference and go for the pool B instead of the lost Pool A makes sense to me. This season, for example, CNU will have played 15 games thru the 1st weekend of January when conference play eliminates opponent possibilities for nonconference games with the remaining CAC teams. From that point on, the CAC teams will have to find their opponents for the final 10 games from teams with an odd # in their conference, hence a bye, or the independents and fill in the gaps with their own weekend CAC 3-team games with as many of those in the 6 remaining weekends to fill out the 25 game schedule. CNU actually played 2 exhibition games this season that could have been used as part of the 25 game schedule, instead(in the future schedules, after the CAC defections take effect).   
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 13, 2019, 02:32:57 PM

The real question is whether there will be enough teams to have a Pool B bid once the AEC gets their AQ.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ronk on December 13, 2019, 02:42:25 PM
 True about Pool B possibly evaporating in that scenario, but relatively minor in the context of completing a schedule, minimizing travel/missed classes, etc. They'd have to satisfied with the Pool C quest, instead.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 13, 2019, 02:47:02 PM
The real problem now is that the CAC will be left with three ... that could screw up the Pool B hopes. If they stayed at four or five (or six) they most likely would have had no issues with the Pool B.

I had been saying to schools in the conference for awhile now that staying together had a lot of benefits and the CAC is a unique conference that despite losing the AQ it would work out just as good if not better for them. But now that SVU and SMC have caused the fabric to rip apart (after Harrisburg pulled the loose thread), I think there are more problems.

The conference should still stick together because it provides so many things independent status removes (awards, conference championships, NCAA items like extra vote and such), but now there needs to be either a push to increase membership to make Pool B viable in most sports, or get to the AQ (far more difficult).

The three remaining in 2021-22 are not going to find a home easily at this point.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on December 16, 2019, 01:19:52 PM
I thought NCAA rules were such that you cannot have a conference with just 3 teams???????

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on December 16, 2019, 01:21:07 PM
From the St Mary's press release....

"I am excited about this opportunity and believe our high-quality student-athletes will make an exceptional addition to the league," said Tuajuanda C. Jordan, president of St. Mary's College. "Academically, we will be among the strongest schools in the conference. Athletically, our student-athletes will be in the upper echelon of the majority of the sports we play. And, philosophically, the schools align very well with the core values of our athletics department: excellence, humility, legacy, teamwork, and integrity."

I added the bold and italics. just sayin.   ;D ;D :P
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on December 16, 2019, 03:37:31 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on December 16, 2019, 01:21:07 PM
From the St Mary's press release....

"I am excited about this opportunity and believe our high-quality student-athletes will make an exceptional addition to the league," said Tuajuanda C. Jordan, president of St. Mary's College. "Academically, we will be among the strongest schools in the conference. Athletically, our student-athletes will be in the upper echelon of the majority of the sports we play. And, philosophically, the schools align very well with the core values of our athletics department: excellence, humility, legacy, teamwork, and integrity."

I added the bold and italics. just sayin.   ;D ;D :P

Attaboy St. Mary's....................aim real high!! I'd bet the presidents and AD's are glad to welcome you with open arms after those comments. ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on December 17, 2019, 04:18:17 PM
Not too familiar with this conference but do follow scores of the teams near the top (Scranton, Moravian, Susquehanna)... Is it traditionally the same 3-5 teams that compete for the playoffs? What's the hardship for Goucher and Elizabethtown? Etown has a strong(er) tradition than what's been reflected, can Goucher compete at all? Admittedly I do not know much about either school aside from just looking at scores and records of their basketball teams the past few years. 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ronk on December 17, 2019, 08:08:29 PM
Quote from: CCHoopster on December 17, 2019, 04:18:17 PM
Not too familiar with this conference but do follow scores of the teams near the top (Scranton, Moravian, Susquehanna)... Is it traditionally the same 3-5 teams that compete for the playoffs? What's the hardship for Goucher and Elizabethtown? Etown has a strong(er) tradition than what's been reflected, can Goucher compete at all? Admittedly I do not know much about either school aside from just looking at scores and records of their basketball teams the past few years.

You're asking about the Landmark Conference members which is a different board in the Mid-Atlantic from this one(CAC). All the members have the same general "hardship", not just E-town and Goucher; probably why they formed the conference of like-minded institutions. There hasn't been a high quality player in the whole conference since Jay Howard of Catholic a few years ago. E-town and Goucher changed coaches a few seasons ago but little progress has occurred. Maybe too expensive and too much competition in the Mid-Atlantic for the few prospects.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on December 18, 2019, 04:20:10 PM
Quote from: ronk on December 17, 2019, 08:08:29 PM
Quote from: CCHoopster on December 17, 2019, 04:18:17 PM
Not too familiar with this conference but do follow scores of the teams near the top (Scranton, Moravian, Susquehanna)... Is it traditionally the same 3-5 teams that compete for the playoffs? What's the hardship for Goucher and Elizabethtown? Etown has a strong(er) tradition than what's been reflected, can Goucher compete at all? Admittedly I do not know much about either school aside from just looking at scores and records of their basketball teams the past few years.

You're asking about the Landmark Conference members which is a different board in the Mid-Atlantic from this one(CAC). All the members have the same general "hardship", not just E-town and Goucher; probably why they formed the conference of like-minded institutions. There hasn't been a high quality player in the whole conference since Jay Howard of Catholic a few years ago. E-town and Goucher changed coaches a few seasons ago but little progress has occurred. Maybe too expensive and too much competition in the Mid-Atlantic for the few prospects.

Sorry Ronk, I was on the wrong board, thought I was on Landmark. Appreciate the reply.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 07, 2020, 09:51:37 AM
just like the conference, this board is drying up!  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: jesskleangda on January 07, 2020, 12:44:01 PM
One more non-conference - and its a doozy!  Randolph Macon tomorrow night at UMW.  The young Eagles should be ready for a very competitive CAC this year.  York and CNU are strong too.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MW_Eagles on January 08, 2020, 08:45:30 PM
Huge win for Mary Washington tonight.   They've been up an down in the non-conference schedule, but hopefully this is a nice boost with conference play starting Saturday.    Go Eagles!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: jesskleangda on January 08, 2020, 09:01:13 PM
That was awesome.  This team can be very good.  Between this game and the Whitworth game, they showed that they can play with any team in the Country. 

I'm ready for conference play. 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 09, 2020, 01:39:57 PM
Quote from: MW_Eagles on January 08, 2020, 08:45:30 PM
Huge win for Mary Washington tonight.   They've been up an down in the non-conference schedule, but hopefully this is a nice boost with conference play starting Saturday.    Go Eagles!

Nice win indeed! Congrats!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: jesskleangda on January 10, 2020, 12:12:34 PM
Huge game tonight with York and CNU.  I will be watching!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 20, 2020, 12:14:42 PM
Nice story on the Australian fires Ryan! I was just there in October. It is a beautiful place with beautiful people. So sad what is happening over there.
I pay attention to it since my new son-in-law is Aussie. You covered it nicely and made a nice connection to D3 athletics.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 29, 2020, 11:31:41 AM
FINALLY! A home conference game while students are in school!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ronk on January 29, 2020, 05:50:08 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on January 29, 2020, 11:31:41 AM
FINALLY! A home conference game while students are in school!

They worry about athletes missing class for games; what about students missing games because of intersession?  ::)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 30, 2020, 08:14:21 AM
Quote from: ronk on January 29, 2020, 05:50:08 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on January 29, 2020, 11:31:41 AM
FINALLY! A home conference game while students are in school!

They worry about athletes missing class for games; what about students missing games because of intersession?  ::)

exactly!!!! ;D

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 30, 2020, 08:17:01 AM
CNU wins again. 13 differently players score. At one point in second half the reserves were the ones who pulled away. Something to be said about quality depth.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 05, 2020, 10:27:21 AM
If Dalon McHugh secures his 5th consecutive double double tonight, he will be the first CNU player to do so since All-American Antoine Sinclair achieved the feat in 1999.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on February 05, 2020, 02:40:52 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 05, 2020, 10:27:21 AM
If Dalon McHugh secures his 5th consecutive double double tonight, he will be the first CNU player to do so since All-American Antoine Sinclair achieved the feat in 1999.

Not bad for a 6-4 wing, huh?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 06, 2020, 07:55:19 AM
Dalon missed it by 2 rebounds, scoring 18 points. 2 other Captains achieved double doubles. At York next. Will be tough.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 08, 2020, 07:08:17 PM
I don't normally "go there" but the refs must have all been York College graduates. It was RIDICULOUS! 5 Captains foul out. 41 fouls to 26. Some were just ghost calls. Had no idea why the whistle was blown. Watch the film. They were RIDICULOUS!

Ok...I feel better. Kinda.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ronk on February 08, 2020, 09:29:57 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 08, 2020, 07:08:17 PM
I don't normally "go there" but the refs must have all been York College graduates. It was RIDICULOUS! 5 Captains foul out. 41 fouls to 26. Some were just ghost calls. Had no idea why the whistle was blown. Watch the film. They were RIDICULOUS!

Ok...I feel better. Kinda.

I know 1 of the refs; I'll try to watch the replay later tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 09, 2020, 12:14:18 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 08, 2020, 07:08:17 PM
I don't normally "go there" but the refs must have all been York College graduates. It was RIDICULOUS! 5 Captains foul out. 41 fouls to 26. Some were just ghost calls. Had no idea why the whistle was blown. Watch the film. They were RIDICULOUS!

Ok...I feel better. Kinda.

The funny thing is they might have been York College graduates.  York's got a very strong program for getting former student athletes trained as officials across all sports.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 09, 2020, 12:47:35 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 09, 2020, 12:14:18 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 08, 2020, 07:08:17 PM
I don't normally "go there" but the refs must have all been York College graduates. It was RIDICULOUS! 5 Captains foul out. 41 fouls to 26. Some were just ghost calls. Had no idea why the whistle was blown. Watch the film. They were RIDICULOUS!

Ok...I feel better. Kinda.

The funny thing is they might have been York College graduates.  York's got a very strong program for getting former student athletes trained as officials across all sports.

Yes ... good program.

No ... wouldn't be doing the game.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: D3RetiredHooper on February 09, 2020, 01:07:23 PM
I don't know for certain but my guess would be the officiating assigner put his best crew he could find for that game.  York vs CNU has turned into the premier game in the CAC.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 09, 2020, 01:30:31 PM
Quote from: D3RetiredHooper on February 09, 2020, 01:07:23 PM
I don't know for certain but my guess would be the officiating assigner put his best crew he could find for that game.  York vs CNU has turned into the premier game in the CAC.

Just so everyone knows ... for a few years now, the CAC, MAC, Centennial, and others have had the same assignor ... and there has been a concerted effort to send officials to places a bit further away and not necessarily have them repeat all that many games/locations. There are some officials I got used to always seeing at the gyms in my area who either haven't been at any of them in a few years OR rarely show up.

My point is, yes, I suspect the best crew available may have been assigned. Also, they aren't ones who are "familiar" with the teams ... thus, they aren't going to just sit back and let the teams play per se - or get used to anything in particular.

Also ... CNU has been in this bind before. They don't adjust well to officiating. One has to adjust to how officials are calling a game and not get yourself in foul trouble. It has been something I know I've discussed, even on air, before about CNU. I am not sure if it is their aggressiveness or their mentality necessarily ... but if a game is being called tighter than they are accustomed, they are not likely to adjust to it.

And before I go ... a reminder that there is a person in charge of officials overall in DIII and he has made it clear he not only wants games called more universally across the country, but also that the rules of the game will be called. Coaches and others on the rules committee want the physicality dialed back in the game and thus fouls are to be called. There are regions of this division where a more physical game has been allowed. That's ending. Teams need to figure it out and adjust.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on February 10, 2020, 12:34:44 PM
A lot of fouls were called on both teams, but 41-26 is bad...CNU has a pretty tough defense, but they're not what I'd call an overly aggressive/physical team...York shot 54 free throws...that's crazy!  Coach Krikorian looked pissed when the final horn sounded, as I saw him quickly walk towards the referees and bark out a comment prior to shaking hands w/York.

Now, the CNU women are definitely aggressive, as they press from start to finish...I can recall discussing this about them, but not the men.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 10, 2020, 01:10:34 PM
CNU plays aggressive defense - not like the women, but it is aggressive.

And stop yelling at officials ... adjust or go home.

I repeat this story often, but it is something worth keeping in mind. The first time out of the game for Duke (usually the media break), the coaching staff doesn't talk to the players about game strategy with their opponent, they talk about how the officials are calling the game and what adjustments they need to make as a result.

Officials are humans as well and we are never going to get the point, despite all the best efforts, that every human being calls the same game the same way every time or across the board. Teams have to adjust. And blaming officials for calling a lot of fouls (especially when the rules have been dictating lessening the physicality of the game - no matter what players want to do) is missing the bigger picture. Teams need to adjust. Players need to adjust. Plain and simple.

It also depends on style. As I noted, CNU tends to be pretty physical on defense, but if another team is also attacking on offense and forcing the issue especially inside or on the dribble, more fouls are going to be called. Also and not related to this, I get very frustrated when fans start talking about foul discrepancy in a game featuring one of the teams playing a zone defense. By default, the number of foul calls will be lower or mis-matched (btw - an interesting quirk to the rules not many understand, but refs are not told to make sure the foul count is "even" /sarcasm).
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ronk on February 10, 2020, 02:49:18 PM
Quote from: ronk on February 08, 2020, 09:29:57 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 08, 2020, 07:08:17 PM
I don't normally "go there" but the refs must have all been York College graduates. It was RIDICULOUS! 5 Captains foul out. 41 fouls to 26. Some were just ghost calls. Had no idea why the whistle was blown. Watch the film. They were RIDICULOUS!

Ok...I feel better. Kinda.

I know 1 of the refs; I'll try to watch the replay later tonight.

Finished watching today - midway thru 1st half, balding ref(not my friend) made 4 consecutive blocking calls that I disagreed with, the 1st 3 against CNU; I would have had them as no-calls since the offensive driver initiated the contact; the 4th against York and the ref said he was in the semicircle; he was 2' outside the semicircle but ended up inside after the contact; I would have called it offensive on CNU; later in the half there was a call near midcourt on the sideline on CNU for a moving screen that Krikorian was upset with; I actually agreed with the call.
2nd half early, York shot a foul that hit only the net short, not the rim; all 3 refs missed it and allowed play to continue as if it had hit the rim.
rest of the game the only phantom call I saw was on CNU Harrington, pressing full court on an inbounds pass was called for a hold.
So, I as an unbiased observer didn't see anything egregious. 2 years ago, I was at York for a doubleheader because Scranton women were playing York in the 1st game; I stayed and watched the men's game cuz it was the regional nonconference game of the season(York-Swarthmore) and my friend worked that game, also, inferring the ref assigner thought highly of his ability to work the big games.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 10, 2020, 03:42:37 PM
well that got this board a little more active!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on February 10, 2020, 03:53:14 PM
On average this season, CNU has been called for 19.48 fouls per game, so let's call it 20...their highest one game foul total was either 28 or 29...based on these stats, CNU fans can absolutely gripe about 41!  Earlier in the season at CNU, York and CNU were called for 23 and 19 fouls respectively...different officials, but same teams...at York, they get called for 3 more fouls while CNU's called for 22 more...makes no sense!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 10, 2020, 04:54:20 PM
What were the numbers in this game at the end of 40 minutes?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: D3RetiredHooper on February 10, 2020, 04:58:57 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on February 10, 2020, 03:53:14 PM
On average this season, CNU has been called for 19.48 fouls per game, so let's call it 20...their highest one game foul total was either 28 or 29...based on these stats, CNU fans can absolutely gripe about 41!  Earlier in the season at CNU, York and CNU were called for 23 and 19 fouls respectively...different officials, but same teams...at York, they get called for 3 more fouls while CNU's called for 22 more...makes no sense!


1. The game went into double OT so 10 extra minutes probably added to the 41 total count at the end of the game for CNU.

2. Why are we to assume the officials weren't poor and didn't call enough fouls when the game was played at CNU as opposed to Saturday when the game was called more tightly?  Dave referenced earlier the national head of officials wants the game to be called tight and allow for freedom of movement with cutters and ball handlers on offense.  He also mentioned CNU's lack of ability to adjust their defensive physicality of holding cutters and hand-checking ball handlers through game flow. 

3. York has Jared Wagner who is the Player of the Year in the CAC, probably going to win Player of the Year in the Mid-Atlantic region, and possibly a candidate for National Player of the Year/First Team All-American.  He drives the ball constantly in their offense and is really hard to stay in front of if the game is officiated properly. He drew a large portion of the fouls committed by CNU.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: VT-Alum-NOVA on February 10, 2020, 05:01:10 PM
rewatched the last 5 mins of regulation and both OT frames.  there was a CNU shot that barely nicked the rim (in 1OT <0:50 to go) and CNU got offensive rebound.  York coach and staff yelled very loudly about clock being reset to 20.  I will say from behind clock operators (seated 2nd row), it was really hard to see ball touch ("nick") rim but somehow clock operator saw it and reset clock CORRECTLY.  kudos to shot clock operator (York personnel,  I assume with a green shirt).  I think that conferences should consider employing an additional referee as the shot clock operator in late season conference games.  i know this is a cost but non-bias clock operation during critical conference games would seem to warrant it.  I assume there are referees as shot clock operators during conference tournament and NCAA tournament.

As for referee quality, crew called a lot of "ticky tacky" fouls as per their right and interpretation.  I disagree that calling more "hand check" type fouls reduces physical play in games.  I would rather the NCAA emphasize on calling contact in paint more often.  Too many times,  I have watched the lead referee miss pushes by offensive players on rebounding opportunities.
as for adjustments, this crew did not like to call offensive fouls either (I recall only 1 charge and 1 illegal screen).  both adjustments that York/CNU should have seen in 1st 5 mins of game as clearly the crew was enforcing "letter of the law" rule book.

Upon re-watching 2OT blocking call on CNU #31, his foot was clearly on the line when i stopped still frame.  so that call was spot on.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 10, 2020, 08:13:59 PM
Quote from: VT-Alum-NOVA on February 10, 2020, 05:01:10 PM
rewatched the last 5 mins of regulation and both OT frames.  there was a CNU shot that barely nicked the rim (in 1OT <0:50 to go) and CNU got offensive rebound.  York coach and staff yelled very loudly about clock being reset to 20.  I will say from behind clock operators (seated 2nd row), it was really hard to see ball touch ("nick") rim but somehow clock operator saw it and reset clock CORRECTLY.  kudos to shot clock operator (York personnel,  I assume with a green shirt).  I think that conferences should consider employing an additional referee as the shot clock operator in late season conference games.  i know this is a cost but non-bias clock operation during critical conference games would seem to warrant it.  I assume there are referees as shot clock operators during conference tournament and NCAA tournament.

The costs of adding more officials for games is significant. Official costs are one of the biggest increases (and I have no problem with their pay being increased) athletic departments have to deal with. Adding another to run clocks (and there are usually two people running the clocks) I just don't think makes any sense.

And no ... referees do not run shock clocks in tournaments. There is a fourth official, but they are an extra set of eyes and someone to converse with. That is all.

Quote from: VT-Alum-NOVA on February 10, 2020, 05:01:10 PM
As for referee quality, crew called a lot of "ticky tacky" fouls as per their right and interpretation.  I disagree that calling more "hand check" type fouls reduces physical play in games.  I would rather the NCAA emphasize on calling contact in paint more often.  Too many times,  I have watched the lead referee miss pushes by offensive players on rebounding opportunities.
as for adjustments, this crew did not like to call offensive fouls either (I recall only 1 charge and 1 illegal screen).  both adjustments that York/CNU should have seen in 1st 5 mins of game as clearly the crew was enforcing "letter of the law" rule book.

Upon re-watching 2OT blocking call on CNU #31, his foot was clearly on the line when i stopped still frame.  so that call was spot on.

The NCAA has emphasized contact in the paint and for the most part it has been cleaned up. That doesn't mean it couldn't be called more often, but that has been an emphasis.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: VT-Alum-NOVA on February 10, 2020, 10:03:36 PM
been to many games where officials need to stop play (sometimes 3 or 4 times per game) due to shot clock errors (e.g. reset to 30 instead of 20 after ball hits rim but offensive rebound).  shot clock operator is part of officiating crew and expected to use know the rules to start/stop/reset clock correctly.  simple ones like reset to 20 on offensive rebound is not an interpretation like many fouls are.
totally understand cost implications and shot clock errors have small effect on outcome of most games.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 11, 2020, 01:13:44 PM
Quote from: VT-Alum-NOVA on February 10, 2020, 10:03:36 PM
been to many games where officials need to stop play (sometimes 3 or 4 times per game) due to shot clock errors (e.g. reset to 30 instead of 20 after ball hits rim but offensive rebound).  shot clock operator is part of officiating crew and expected to use know the rules to start/stop/reset clock correctly.  simple ones like reset to 20 on offensive rebound is not an interpretation like many fouls are.
totally understand cost implications and shot clock errors have small effect on outcome of most games.

Yep ... and some places like my alma mater have decided to go away from student-tables (which it had been since before I attended the school) and go with "professional" tables, but even those individuals make mistakes. They make mistakes in D1 games - even in the NCAA tournament. It happens.

The reset to 20 - there are multiple buttons on the devices, I've watched an operator intend to reset to 30 and mistakenly hit the 20; I've seen them try to reset to 20 and it goes to 30 because they hit the wrong button. It happens.

Remember, these are also new rules and in the last two years the shot clock rules have changed multiple times and are not consistent across both genders ... so there has been a lot of changes even between games. I had an official come up to me a few years back when a rash of new rules like coaches not calling timeouts in the men's game was adopted and he said, "I am all for the rule changes and I'm doing my best, but people have to remember that for 20 years my brain has heard "timeout" and we blew the play dead. Tough to untrain 20 years of muscle/brain memory."

It isn't great, but it happens. And paying for an official to run the clocks isn't a guarantee to fix it. The table at my alma mater is run by people trained in the operation and do it for multiple colleges in the area. They make mistakes. Refs make mistakes calling fouls and infractions ... you think they won't make mistakes with the clock operations?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 11, 2020, 01:39:53 PM

When I go to Swarthmore, the seat they have reserved for me is right next to the PA announcer at the table with the clock operator and scorer.  Over the holiday break, without their normal student workers, a lot of the AD staff had to fill in.  I was impressed with the patience and attention the refs gave to those folks who were genuinely doing their best.  The refs - at least the good ones - keep a pretty close eye on how the clock is running.  They know how to do their job.  I think I've said it here before, but once you get deep into the NCAA tournament they use the ref controlled clock anyway - refs start the clock from a device on their belt; that solves any hometown edge that might occur.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 11, 2020, 02:07:15 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 11, 2020, 01:39:53 PM

When I go to Swarthmore, the seat they have reserved for me is right next to the PA announcer at the table with the clock operator and scorer.  Over the holiday break, without their normal student workers, a lot of the AD staff had to fill in.  I was impressed with the patience and attention the refs gave to those folks who were genuinely doing their best.  The refs - at least the good ones - keep a pretty close eye on how the clock is running.  They know how to do their job.  I think I've said it here before, but once you get deep into the NCAA tournament they use the ref controlled clock anyway - refs start the clock from a device on their belt; that solves any hometown edge that might occur.

Fort Wayne at the earliest they use the belt-devices. But those aren't perfect either. Basically, they have a belt-pack with a button on it to help start the clock - though I need to figure out exactly how that works because the clock operator I don't think does nothing and it can't take all three refs to start the clock; I know the button at least "activates" something. The whistle then is then what stops the clock - the sound of the whistle to be exact. But those are very expensive systems. The irony being that Salem introduced them to DIII years ahead of DI even implenting them in their tournament or at a lot of their Power Five facilities.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 12, 2020, 03:17:01 PM
First Regional Rankings are out: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2020/02/men-regional-rankings-first
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on February 12, 2020, 04:41:02 PM
Quote from: D3RetiredHooper on February 10, 2020, 04:58:57 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on February 10, 2020, 03:53:14 PM
On average this season, CNU has been called for 19.48 fouls per game, so let's call it 20...their highest one game foul total was either 28 or 29...based on these stats, CNU fans can absolutely gripe about 41!  Earlier in the season at CNU, York and CNU were called for 23 and 19 fouls respectively...different officials, but same teams...at York, they get called for 3 more fouls while CNU's called for 22 more...makes no sense!


1. The game went into double OT so 10 extra minutes probably added to the 41 total count at the end of the game for CNU.

2. Why are we to assume the officials weren't poor and didn't call enough fouls when the game was played at CNU as opposed to Saturday when the game was called more tightly?  Dave referenced earlier the national head of officials wants the game to be called tight and allow for freedom of movement with cutters and ball handlers on offense.  He also mentioned CNU's lack of ability to adjust their defensive physicality of holding cutters and hand-checking ball handlers through game flow. 

3. York has Jared Wagner who is the Player of the Year in the CAC, probably going to win Player of the Year in the Mid-Atlantic region, and possibly a candidate for National Player of the Year/First Team All-American.  He drives the ball constantly in their offense and is really hard to stay in front of if the game is officiated properly. He drew a large portion of the fouls committed by CNU.

1.  True...in looking quickly at the two overtime periods, I believe CNU was called for 13 fouls...that's a lot of fouls in 10 minutes, though.

2.  ...because the season statistics prove otherwise...CNU was called for 8 more fouls than they average in regulation, plus 13 in overtime...that's excessive.

3.  Wagner's good, and I wouldn't be surprised if he was the conference player of the year, but I think POY in the MA is a stretch...a potential candidate for National POY/First Team AA is an even bigger stretch.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on February 17, 2020, 04:30:11 PM
CNU and York will likely win their last regular season games on Wednesday night, which means a coin flip will decide who gets the #1 seed in the conference tournament.  I really hate that pure luck will decide something this significant....
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 17, 2020, 05:01:03 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on February 17, 2020, 04:30:11 PM
CNU and York will likely win their last regular season games on Wednesday night, which means a coin flip will decide who gets the #1 seed in the conference tournament.  I really hate that pure luck will decide something this significant....

I thought the CAC tiebreaker was more involved to avoid the coin flip.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: VT-Alum-NOVA on February 17, 2020, 05:29:10 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 17, 2020, 05:01:03 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on February 17, 2020, 04:30:11 PM
CNU and York will likely win their last regular season games on Wednesday night, which means a coin flip will decide who gets the #1 seed in the conference tournament.  I really hate that pure luck will decide something this significant....

I thought the CAC tiebreaker was more involved to avoid the coin flip.
I do not recall last time CAC did coin flip for #1 seed, if ever, for WBB
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 17, 2020, 05:42:50 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 17, 2020, 05:01:03 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on February 17, 2020, 04:30:11 PM
CNU and York will likely win their last regular season games on Wednesday night, which means a coin flip will decide who gets the #1 seed in the conference tournament.  I really hate that pure luck will decide something this significant....

I thought the CAC tiebreaker was more involved to avoid the coin flip.

I believe it is slightly more involved, but not much. And this is a recent change. 2 team tie....head to head is the obvious first tie breaker. Since the head to head is a tie it goes to the coin flip. The recent change was the elimination of the point differential. I believe this is correct, but I'm not 100% sure.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ronk on February 17, 2020, 08:21:15 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 17, 2020, 05:42:50 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 17, 2020, 05:01:03 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on February 17, 2020, 04:30:11 PM
CNU and York will likely win their last regular season games on Wednesday night, which means a coin flip will decide who gets the #1 seed in the conference tournament.  I really hate that pure luck will decide something this significant....

I thought the CAC tiebreaker was more involved to avoid the coin flip.

I believe it is slightly more involved, but not much. And this is a recent change. 2 team tie....head to head is the obvious first tie breaker. Since the head to head is a tie it goes to the coin flip. The recent change was the elimination of the point differential. I believe this is correct, but I'm not 100% sure.

Here's the tie-breaker procedure:

https://www.cacsports.com/information/handbook/Section_III_-_Policies_-_Procedures.pdf

The men and women's bball committees have decided NOT to use scoring differential as the 3rd tie-breaking procedure.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 17, 2020, 11:03:52 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 17, 2020, 05:42:50 PM
I believe it is slightly more involved, but not much. And this is a recent change. 2 team tie....head to head is the obvious first tie breaker. Since the head to head is a tie it goes to the coin flip. The recent change was the elimination of the point differential. I believe this is correct, but I'm not 100% sure.

To be fair ... it is more involved. It just happens that some of the steps are not going to matter since the two teams' losses are to each other and no other losses in conference. Just clarifying since others might think from reading your comment that after head-to-head it jumps straight to coin-toss.

Let's spell it out to avoid people having to look through the entire doc:

1. League standing (won lost percentage or points in soccer—three for a win, one for a tie.)
2. Head to head competition
3. Record {or points} against each conference team, (starting with the top team in the standings not involved in the tie and moving down) until the tie is broken.
4. Sport Committees have the option, but are not required, to break the tie using a "scoring differential with a cap" tiebreaker. Sport Committees will indicate to the Commissioner prior to the first NCAA playing date each year if they will use this option and what the scoring cap will be. Sport-specific information will be listed in Section V (Championship Sports) of the CAC Handbook. (adopted May 2015)
5. Coin Toss

Policy III – Tie Breaker Format for Team Sports
1. Teams which finish in a tie for first place with identical records during the regular season may declare themselves "regular season co-champions" and promote/advertise saying same (ex.: press release, website announcement or banner at game facility). The tie-breaking procedures used for seeding purposes shall not be used to declare a regular season "champion" in the event of a tie.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 17, 2020, 11:07:01 PM
I remember the days that a number was pulled from a hat for each school before the academic year and that number was used in place of the coin-flip for any tie-breakers for the rest of the year for all sports. So if Salisbury had a 3 and York had a 7 ... every "coin flip" that might be needed between those two schools would always go in Salisbury's favor for that year.

They finally got rid of that ... smartly.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 19, 2020, 01:16:00 PM
Week 2's Regional Rankings are out: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2020/02/men-regional-rankings-second
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 19, 2020, 09:27:24 PM
Nice!!!!  Home games in CAC tourney.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: VT-Alum-NOVA on February 19, 2020, 10:15:27 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 19, 2020, 09:27:24 PM
Nice!!!!  Home games in CAC tourney.
for Wed games, i assume WBB game at 6pm and MBB afterwards.  I think that was how it worked last year.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 19, 2020, 10:20:11 PM
6 and 8 sounds about right. I can't remember. And win Wednesday, then I think Saturday would be 4 and 6? I can't remember what I had for lunch yesterday. I sure as heck can't remember previous years' tournament times!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 19, 2020, 11:02:05 PM
Men play at 6. Women at 8.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on February 20, 2020, 09:02:15 AM
I didn't know they were going to flip the coin that quickly...CNU was very fortunate, just as York would have been...if both teams make it to the championship game, it will be interesting to see how the game is called in comparison to the previous two.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: VT-Alum-NOVA on February 20, 2020, 09:51:24 AM
wonder if they do coin flip before last conf games are played.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 20, 2020, 10:45:59 AM
Quote from: VT-Alum-NOVA on February 20, 2020, 09:51:24 AM
wonder if they do coin flip before last conf games are played.

It was done immediately after the game last night via teleconference.  I even saw the quarter!! But I didn't stay for the actual coin flip. The York game finished later than the CNU game and by the time post game media commitments were complete I was already home!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: VT-Alum-NOVA on February 20, 2020, 12:16:34 PM
on women's side, they had 2 coin flips to decide #2 and #4 seeds.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 20, 2020, 04:02:01 PM
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Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 25, 2020, 02:39:59 PM
The Week 3 men's regional rankings are out: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2020/02/men-regional-rankings-third
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: jesskleangda on February 26, 2020, 11:30:16 AM
LETS GO EAGLES!

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 26, 2020, 11:45:00 AM
Quote from: jesskleangda on February 26, 2020, 11:30:16 AM
LETS GO EAGLES!

I'm with you on that!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on February 26, 2020, 01:34:47 PM
Given UMW's talent, this season has been a disappointment, in my opinion...a signature win against R-MC, but 10 overall losses, including Bridgewater, Pacific and Salisbury...not good.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on February 26, 2020, 03:08:42 PM
Likely a UMW fan that smited me...if so, just speaking the truth.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 26, 2020, 03:51:18 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on February 26, 2020, 03:08:42 PM
Likely a UMW fan that smited me...if so, just speaking the truth.

If UMW wins their next 2 games, I'm blaming you! ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on February 26, 2020, 08:51:54 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 26, 2020, 03:51:18 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on February 26, 2020, 03:08:42 PM
Likely a UMW fan that smited me...if so, just speaking the truth.

If UMW wins their next 2 games, I'm blaming you! ;D

So much for that! ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MW_Eagles on February 26, 2020, 09:36:16 PM
Definitely a disappointing year for UMW.   Very young team, so hoping they learned a lot.   Lost quite a few 2nd half, double digit leads (twice against York) and some other puzzling losses.    No seniors on the roster, so hoping for better next year.    With that said, the CAC final should be great. 

Now, what will this conference look like in a year...if it exists???
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: jesskleangda on February 27, 2020, 12:33:49 PM
MW_Eagles, I totally agree.  Tough year, lots of growing pains.  They are set up a nice year next year with the entire team eligible to return.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 29, 2020, 03:56:21 PM
Congrats to York!  After the game I saw CNU Coach K hugging York's Wagner and said a few words. Was nice to see the sportsmanship. Especially after 2 players were tossed. And in the ultimate compliment to a player, I am so glad I will never see Jared Wagner in the Freeman Center again! 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: D3RetiredHooper on February 29, 2020, 04:37:21 PM
28, 7, and 5 on the road in the conference championship game when CNU was 31-1 at home going into the game over the past 2 years.

I think we need to revisit how much of a "stretch" the statement Wagner is POY in the MA Region and First-Team All-American really is...
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on February 29, 2020, 05:35:37 PM
Quote from: D3RetiredHooper on February 29, 2020, 04:37:21 PM
28, 7, and 5 on the road in the conference championship game when CNU was 31-1 at home going into the game over the past 2 years.

I think we need to revisit how much of a "stretch" the statement Wagner is POY in the MA Region and First-Team All-American really is...

Agree..................but let's see him put a team on his back like Flanagan did with Babson a couple of years ago and take them if not all the way, at least deep into the NCAA Tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on March 01, 2020, 10:56:58 PM
The referees claimed that CNU's Anderson kicked York's Collins, which prompted him to take a swing...they were both ejected, but it will be interesting to see if they were right about Anderson.  If they weren't, that was a HUGE mistake that cost CNU a lot more than it did York...that incident and the aftermath was a turning point in the game.

Also, as a sidenote, CNU and York were called for 14 and 16 fouls respectively...even more evidence to conclude that the excessive foul calls at York cost CNU the game.

After doing a little research, I'll concede that Wagner has a shot at MA POY...it may come down to him and Delaney of Johns Hopkins.  I really thought Swarthmore would have a player w/some impressive statistics, but they don't...the Wang kid at Hood is averaging 24 points a game, but it's "Hood", so he probably won't get any serious consideration.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ronk on March 01, 2020, 11:09:47 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on March 01, 2020, 10:56:58 PM
The referees claimed that CNU's Anderson kicked York's Collins, which prompted him to take a swing...they were both ejected, but it will be interesting to see if they were right about Anderson.  If they weren't, that was a HUGE mistake that cost CNU a lot more than it did York...that incident and the aftermath was a turning point in the game.

Also, as a sidenote, CNU and York were called for 14 and 16 fouls respectively...even more evidence to conclude that the excessive foul calls at York cost CNU the game.

After doing a little research, I'll concede that Wagner has a shot at MA POY...it may come down to him and Delaney of Johns Hopkins.  I really thought Swarthmore would have a player w/some impressive statistics, but they don't...the Wang kid at Hood is averaging 24 points a game, but it's "Hood", so he probably won't get any serious consideration.

I'll submit Matt Mancuso(Scranton) for MA POY consideration - 18 ppg, 10.7 rpg, 2.8 assists/g, 1.8 blocks/g, 1.7 steals/g; was hoping he could have done it in the NCAA tourney but they lost in the AQ final and their record most likely will not result in a Pool C selection.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on March 02, 2020, 07:45:27 AM
I saw the York coach walking around after the game with the net around his neck. I congratulated him and wished the team well in the NCAA. I also mentioned that I was glad I would never see Wagner again in the Freeman. He laughed and said Wagner is the kind of guy who you love of he's on your team and hate when you play against him. Interesting mindset. I will give him benefit of the doubt and chalk it up to post championship giddiness. I simply replied I don't hate Wagner. I respected his play and asked coach to pass along best wishes to Wagner in life as I'm sure he will succeed in whatever he endeavors. He is one heck of a competitor.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on March 02, 2020, 07:51:43 AM
Jason Aigner needs 2 more 3 pointers to break the all time CNU record held by Aaron McFarland. Aigner is only a junior.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on March 02, 2020, 08:16:31 AM
Just went to the NCAA website to find the link for the selection show today. I found this...Jared Wagner made the list...

https://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/article/2020-02-15/bevo-francis-50-player-watchlist-announced

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: VT-Alum-NOVA on March 02, 2020, 01:43:04 PM
Congrats CNU MBB on 5th straight NCAA
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Colby Hoops on March 02, 2020, 02:00:04 PM
CNU85 -- would love to hear your thoughts on this year's CNU team. I was very impressed watching them beat fellow NESCAC teams Hamilton and Williams in last year's tourney, but Marcus Carter was obviously a big part of that team.

On paper it looks like it should be a really good matchup. Happy to give a rundown of this year's Colby team if you're interested as well.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on March 02, 2020, 02:21:16 PM
Quote from: Colby Hoops on March 02, 2020, 02:00:04 PM
CNU85 -- would love to hear your thoughts on this year's CNU team. I was very impressed watching them beat fellow NESCAC teams Hamilton and Williams in last year's tourney, but Marcus Carter was obviously a big part of that team.

On paper it looks like it should be a really good matchup. Happy to give a rundown of this year's Colby team if you're interested as well.

I will provide a Blank Canvas Tour of CNU....hahaha....
Obviously, with All-American Marcus Carter gone through graduation, there is some drop off. If you watch any game film you will see CNU does not have a point guard. Coach K will play most of the bench. I honestly feel we have 9 starters. We are deep and athletic. We are very disciplined which is a tribute to Coach K. We have size if needed inside and can shoot from outside if needed. It just depends on what the competition affords us.

And for Colby?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Colby Hoops on March 02, 2020, 03:17:50 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on March 02, 2020, 02:21:16 PM
Quote from: Colby Hoops on March 02, 2020, 02:00:04 PM
CNU85 -- would love to hear your thoughts on this year's CNU team. I was very impressed watching them beat fellow NESCAC teams Hamilton and Williams in last year's tourney, but Marcus Carter was obviously a big part of that team.

On paper it looks like it should be a really good matchup. Happy to give a rundown of this year's Colby team if you're interested as well.

I will provide a Blank Canvas Tour of CNU....hahaha....
Obviously, with All-American Marcus Carter gone through graduation, there is some drop off. If you watch any game film you will see CNU does not have a point guard. Coach K will play most of the bench. I honestly feel we have 9 starters. We are deep and athletic. We are very disciplined which is a tribute to Coach K. We have size if needed inside and can shoot from outside if needed. It just depends on what the competition affords us.

And for Colby?

Hah, someone did some googling!

Colby plays pretty much all guards and shoot it from anywhere -- you'll see some deep, deep threes attempted. They have one big guy (Dean Weiner) who comes off the bench, pretty much everyone else is a three point threat. They switch everything on defense. The offense was unreal through January, then Sam Jefferson went down with an injury. He's the best shooter in the country based on three point percentage and averages more than 19ppg on 60% shooting from the floor and 49.7% from three. Was a lock to be conference POY before the injury (still might be). Since then, the team has struggled on the offensive end (although the defense has been pretty solid). They're susceptible to good post play and super quick guards.

Jefferson played last weekend but was hobbling a lot. If he's healthy, I think Colby's really, really good. If he's limping around like last weekend (he had just 3 points on 3 shots on Sunday) then I think this looks like a tough game.

Can't say I'm super pleased with the draw -- Colby likely would have hosted had they won the double OT NESCAC championship game against Tufts on Sunday. Went to OT because of a 30 foot heave at the buzzer by Tufts.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on March 02, 2020, 03:30:51 PM
Quote from: Colby Hoops on March 02, 2020, 03:17:50 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on March 02, 2020, 02:21:16 PM
Quote from: Colby Hoops on March 02, 2020, 02:00:04 PM
CNU85 -- would love to hear your thoughts on this year's CNU team. I was very impressed watching them beat fellow NESCAC teams Hamilton and Williams in last year's tourney, but Marcus Carter was obviously a big part of that team.

On paper it looks like it should be a really good matchup. Happy to give a rundown of this year's Colby team if you're interested as well.

I will provide a Blank Canvas Tour of CNU....hahaha....
Obviously, with All-American Marcus Carter gone through graduation, there is some drop off. If you watch any game film you will see CNU does not have a point guard. Coach K will play most of the bench. I honestly feel we have 9 starters. We are deep and athletic. We are very disciplined which is a tribute to Coach K. We have size if needed inside and can shoot from outside if needed. It just depends on what the competition affords us.

And for Colby?

Hah, someone did some googling!

Colby plays pretty much all guards and shoot it from anywhere -- you'll see some deep, deep threes attempted. They have one big guy (Dean Weiner) who comes off the bench, pretty much everyone else is a three point threat. They switch everything on defense. The offense was unreal through January, then Sam Jefferson went down with an injury. He's the best shooter in the country based on three point percentage and averages more than 19ppg on 60% shooting from the floor and 49.7% from three. Was a lock to be conference POY before the injury (still might be). Since then, the team has struggled on the offensive end (although the defense has been pretty solid). They're susceptible to good post play and super quick guards.

Jefferson played last weekend but was hobbling a lot. If he's healthy, I think Colby's really, really good. If he's limping around like last weekend (he had just 3 points on 3 shots on Sunday) then I think this looks like a tough game.

Can't say I'm super pleased with the draw -- Colby likely would have hosted had they won the double OT NESCAC championship game against Tufts on Sunday. Went to OT because of a 30 foot heave at the buzzer by Tufts.

This will be only the second meeting between CNU and Colby. Last time was 200-01 season. I like new match-ups and seeing diff teams. Should be fun.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on March 02, 2020, 04:16:23 PM
Quote from: Colby Hoops on March 02, 2020, 03:17:50 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on March 02, 2020, 02:21:16 PM
Quote from: Colby Hoops on March 02, 2020, 02:00:04 PM
CNU85 -- would love to hear your thoughts on this year's CNU team. I was very impressed watching them beat fellow NESCAC teams Hamilton and Williams in last year's tourney, but Marcus Carter was obviously a big part of that team.

On paper it looks like it should be a really good matchup. Happy to give a rundown of this year's Colby team if you're interested as well.

I will provide a Blank Canvas Tour of CNU....hahaha....
Obviously, with All-American Marcus Carter gone through graduation, there is some drop off. If you watch any game film you will see CNU does not have a point guard. Coach K will play most of the bench. I honestly feel we have 9 starters. We are deep and athletic. We are very disciplined which is a tribute to Coach K. We have size if needed inside and can shoot from outside if needed. It just depends on what the competition affords us.

And for Colby?

Hah, someone did some googling!

Colby plays pretty much all guards and shoot it from anywhere -- you'll see some deep, deep threes attempted. They have one big guy (Dean Weiner) who comes off the bench, pretty much everyone else is a three point threat. They switch everything on defense. The offense was unreal through January, then Sam Jefferson went down with an injury. He's the best shooter in the country based on three point percentage and averages more than 19ppg on 60% shooting from the floor and 49.7% from three. Was a lock to be conference POY before the injury (still might be). Since then, the team has struggled on the offensive end (although the defense has been pretty solid). They're susceptible to good post play and super quick guards.

Jefferson played last weekend but was hobbling a lot. If he's healthy, I think Colby's really, really good. If he's limping around like last weekend (he had just 3 points on 3 shots on Sunday) then I think this looks like a tough game.

Can't say I'm super pleased with the draw -- Colby likely would have hosted had they won the double OT NESCAC championship game against Tufts on Sunday. Went to OT because of a 30 foot heave at the buzzer by Tufts.

Just looked at some stats for the first time in a long time. CNU is #1 in 3pt defense. 8th ranked FG % Defense. That will be a good matchup. 
Also, we have the #13 3 pt shooter. And we rank #4 in rebounds. Not sure what all that means. Should be a fun game Friday.

Both teams rank in top 15 in scoring margin. CNU #9 and Colby #12.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Colby Hoops on March 02, 2020, 04:54:55 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on March 02, 2020, 04:16:23 PM
Quote from: Colby Hoops on March 02, 2020, 03:17:50 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on March 02, 2020, 02:21:16 PM
Quote from: Colby Hoops on March 02, 2020, 02:00:04 PM
CNU85 -- would love to hear your thoughts on this year's CNU team. I was very impressed watching them beat fellow NESCAC teams Hamilton and Williams in last year's tourney, but Marcus Carter was obviously a big part of that team.

On paper it looks like it should be a really good matchup. Happy to give a rundown of this year's Colby team if you're interested as well.

I will provide a Blank Canvas Tour of CNU....hahaha....
Obviously, with All-American Marcus Carter gone through graduation, there is some drop off. If you watch any game film you will see CNU does not have a point guard. Coach K will play most of the bench. I honestly feel we have 9 starters. We are deep and athletic. We are very disciplined which is a tribute to Coach K. We have size if needed inside and can shoot from outside if needed. It just depends on what the competition affords us.

And for Colby?

Hah, someone did some googling!

Colby plays pretty much all guards and shoot it from anywhere -- you'll see some deep, deep threes attempted. They have one big guy (Dean Weiner) who comes off the bench, pretty much everyone else is a three point threat. They switch everything on defense. The offense was unreal through January, then Sam Jefferson went down with an injury. He's the best shooter in the country based on three point percentage and averages more than 19ppg on 60% shooting from the floor and 49.7% from three. Was a lock to be conference POY before the injury (still might be). Since then, the team has struggled on the offensive end (although the defense has been pretty solid). They're susceptible to good post play and super quick guards.

Jefferson played last weekend but was hobbling a lot. If he's healthy, I think Colby's really, really good. If he's limping around like last weekend (he had just 3 points on 3 shots on Sunday) then I think this looks like a tough game.

Can't say I'm super pleased with the draw -- Colby likely would have hosted had they won the double OT NESCAC championship game against Tufts on Sunday. Went to OT because of a 30 foot heave at the buzzer by Tufts.

Just looked at some stats for the first time in a long time. CNU is #1 in 3pt defense. 8th ranked FG % Defense. That will be a good matchup. 
Also, we have the #13 3 pt shooter. And we rank #4 in rebounds. Not sure what all that means. Should be a fun game Friday.

Both teams rank in top 15 in scoring margin. CNU #9 and Colby #12.

Yeah, the rebounding is a good point to bring up. Colby plays very small but has held their own on the boards against bigger teams much of the year. The two regular season losses they had were the two games where they did get crushed on the boards (basically the only two of the year where they lost the rebounding battle substantially). Definitely something to watch.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on March 02, 2020, 07:41:28 PM
Seems like a pretty tough draw for both teams, especially CNU...what do you think, Ryan?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 02, 2020, 08:36:11 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on March 02, 2020, 07:41:28 PM
Seems like a pretty tough draw for both teams, especially CNU...what do you think, Ryan?

Colby was 3rd in the NE and CNU was 4th in the MA.  Neither one had as strong a resume as maybe their reputation would lead one to believe.  Seems pretty fair.  You also don't have too many hosts CNU can drive to who they haven't played this year.  I think you'd rather be #3 at Stevens than #2 at Swarthmore.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on March 03, 2020, 09:12:03 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 02, 2020, 08:36:11 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on March 02, 2020, 07:41:28 PM
Seems like a pretty tough draw for both teams, especially CNU...what do you think, Ryan?

Colby was 3rd in the NE and CNU was 4th in the MA.  Neither one had as strong a resume as maybe their reputation would lead one to believe.  Seems pretty fair.  You also don't have too many hosts CNU can drive to who they haven't played this year.  I think you'd rather be #3 at Stevens than #2 at Swarthmore.

I tend to agree...whoever wins the Colby/CNU game probably has a better than average chance of beating Stevens.  Although Massey has Stevens' sos as very weak, they did play Swarthmore close and beat Johns Hopkins, so who knows?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 03, 2020, 11:22:23 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on March 03, 2020, 09:12:03 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 02, 2020, 08:36:11 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on March 02, 2020, 07:41:28 PM
Seems like a pretty tough draw for both teams, especially CNU...what do you think, Ryan?

Colby was 3rd in the NE and CNU was 4th in the MA.  Neither one had as strong a resume as maybe their reputation would lead one to believe.  Seems pretty fair.  You also don't have too many hosts CNU can drive to who they haven't played this year.  I think you'd rather be #3 at Stevens than #2 at Swarthmore.

I tend to agree...whoever wins the Colby/CNU game probably has a better than average chance of beating Stevens.  Although Massey has Stevens' sos as very weak, they did play Swarthmore close and beat Johns Hopkins, so who knows?

Stevens is very good - disciplined and they have size.  I think they've got a better chance of beating CNU than Colby, but that's more just about how the teams and their offenses match up with what Stevens does.  They are very tough at home, too, which is another factor.  I suspect Colby was in line to host, but their location in Maine made that difficult, so they were "gifted" one of the weaker host teams.  As you said, though, Stevens has played a lot of good teams very tough.  Saying they are one of the more likely hosts to lose isn't really an insult - I hope not anyway.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Colby Hoops on March 03, 2020, 11:44:29 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 03, 2020, 11:22:23 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on March 03, 2020, 09:12:03 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 02, 2020, 08:36:11 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on March 02, 2020, 07:41:28 PM
Seems like a pretty tough draw for both teams, especially CNU...what do you think, Ryan?

Colby was 3rd in the NE and CNU was 4th in the MA.  Neither one had as strong a resume as maybe their reputation would lead one to believe.  Seems pretty fair.  You also don't have too many hosts CNU can drive to who they haven't played this year.  I think you'd rather be #3 at Stevens than #2 at Swarthmore.

I tend to agree...whoever wins the Colby/CNU game probably has a better than average chance of beating Stevens.  Although Massey has Stevens' sos as very weak, they did play Swarthmore close and beat Johns Hopkins, so who knows?

Stevens is very good - disciplined and they have size.  I think they've got a better chance of beating CNU than Colby, but that's more just about how the teams and their offenses match up with what Stevens does.  They are very tough at home, too, which is another factor.  I suspect Colby was in line to host, but their location in Maine made that difficult, so they were "gifted" one of the weaker host teams.  As you said, though, Stevens has played a lot of good teams very tough.  Saying they are one of the more likely hosts to lose isn't really an insult - I hope not anyway.

I'd rather have been "gifted" an easier first round matchup! By Massey and Matt Snyder's efficiency rankings, CNU is one of the top teams in the country. Although it seems the only other option would've been to swap with Hobart and face off against St. Joe's, which isn't exactly an easy matchup. Selfishly, that would have been nice as I could drive to that game easily ;)

Stating the obvious, Colby's chances look a lot better if Eric Savage doesn't make that 30-footer on Sunday at the end of regulation. Colby likely hosts, and could potentially get through a first-round weekend with the hopes that Sam Jefferson is closer to 100% by the Sweet 16.

Nevertheless, can't complain about playing in the NCAA tourney! And I think this pod offers some fascinating match ups. Looking forward to Friday.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 03, 2020, 12:09:40 PM
Quote from: Colby Hoops on March 03, 2020, 11:44:29 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 03, 2020, 11:22:23 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on March 03, 2020, 09:12:03 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 02, 2020, 08:36:11 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on March 02, 2020, 07:41:28 PM
Seems like a pretty tough draw for both teams, especially CNU...what do you think, Ryan?

Colby was 3rd in the NE and CNU was 4th in the MA.  Neither one had as strong a resume as maybe their reputation would lead one to believe.  Seems pretty fair.  You also don't have too many hosts CNU can drive to who they haven't played this year.  I think you'd rather be #3 at Stevens than #2 at Swarthmore.

I tend to agree...whoever wins the Colby/CNU game probably has a better than average chance of beating Stevens.  Although Massey has Stevens' sos as very weak, they did play Swarthmore close and beat Johns Hopkins, so who knows?

Stevens is very good - disciplined and they have size.  I think they've got a better chance of beating CNU than Colby, but that's more just about how the teams and their offenses match up with what Stevens does.  They are very tough at home, too, which is another factor.  I suspect Colby was in line to host, but their location in Maine made that difficult, so they were "gifted" one of the weaker host teams.  As you said, though, Stevens has played a lot of good teams very tough.  Saying they are one of the more likely hosts to lose isn't really an insult - I hope not anyway.

I'd rather have been "gifted" an easier first round matchup! By Massey and Matt Snyder's efficiency rankings, CNU is one of the top teams in the country. Although it seems the only other option would've been to swap with Hobart and face off against St. Joe's, which isn't exactly an easy matchup. Selfishly, that would have been nice as I could drive to that game easily ;)

Stating the obvious, Colby's chances look a lot better if Eric Savage doesn't make that 30-footer on Sunday at the end of regulation. Colby likely hosts, and could potentially get through a first-round weekend with the hopes that Sam Jefferson is closer to 100% by the Sweet 16.

Nevertheless, can't complain about playing in the NCAA tourney! And I think this pod offers some fascinating match ups. Looking forward to Friday.

CNU has a ton of experience, obviously, with a final four run last year, and they play a system that doesn't change from year to year - it's tough to factor those two things into the equation.  Overall, they are not as good as they have been recently, but sometimes that isn't the most important factor in the tournament.  Experience counts for a lot.  Colby might match-up better with St. Joe's than CNU, but I don't think, overall, that Hobart draw is better than where they are.  CNU should probably be a #2 seed in a pod somewhere, but geography limits those locations.  JHU is really the only other spot and they played JHU this year - which is a potential rematch the committee tries hard to avoid the first weekend.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MW_Eagles on March 04, 2020, 09:17:37 AM
In a recent article in the Fredericksburg paper, the CAC commissioner mentioned that there should be conference news by the end of February.   That has come and gone.   Anybody hear anything?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on March 04, 2020, 09:44:37 AM
Quote from: MW_Eagles on March 04, 2020, 09:17:37 AM
In a recent article in the Fredericksburg paper, the CAC commissioner mentioned that there should be conference news by the end of February.   That has come and gone.   Anybody hear anything?

I imagine there are a lot of moving parts. Presidents and ADs trying to figure it all out before an official announcement. 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: VT-Alum-NOVA on March 04, 2020, 01:36:04 PM
I am sure CNU is lobbying to host 2021 conf tournaments
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 04, 2020, 03:39:57 PM
If it is like the AEC, maybe me talking about the merger scared them off. LOL

I am only half kidding. We got wind the AEC was going to send out a press release about the formation of their league ... so we beat them to the punch by a few days. They ended up waiting six months. HAHA
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: VT-Alum-NOVA on March 04, 2020, 09:42:10 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 04, 2020, 03:39:57 PM
If it is like the AEC, maybe me talking about the merger scared them off. LOL

I am only half kidding. We got wind the AEC was going to send out a press release about the formation of their league ... so we beat them to the punch by a few days. They ended up waiting six months. HAHA
no, got to happen for 2020-2021 basketball season because CAC only has 5 members (York leaves) next season and you need 6? members minimum for AQ, i believe I learned that on Hoopsville.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 04, 2020, 10:39:48 PM
It's seven for an AQ, but in the case of the CAC, they will still have an AQ next year because there is a grace period of 2 years for conferences below seven to get back up to seven.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on March 06, 2020, 08:12:17 PM
Congrats to York and CNU for their first round wins today.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: VT-Alum-NOVA on March 08, 2020, 12:02:09 AM
Congrata to CNU with another sweet 16 berth. Newport News rocking tonight
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 08, 2020, 12:57:19 AM
The host sites for the men's Sweet 16 have been released: https://www.d3hoops.com/playoffs/men/2020/bracket and game times: https://www.d3hoops.com/seasons/men/2019-20/ncaa-tournament?date=2020-03-13 and https://www.d3hoops.com/seasons/men/2019-20/ncaa-tournament?date=2020-03-14
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on March 08, 2020, 08:36:42 PM
Nice!! One more game at the Freeman!!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on March 09, 2020, 10:19:57 AM
Congrats to the CNU men on their Sweet 16 appearance...hoping to make the Elite 8 by way of "The Free", then beyond!

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: VT-Alum-NOVA on March 09, 2020, 08:39:48 PM
great time to be a CNU fan
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: D3RetiredHooper on March 24, 2020, 09:39:53 PM
D3Hoops showing a lack of respect for the CAC.  All-Region team has one player (Aigner and Rowson definitely worthy of at the VERY LEAST 2nd team) and Jared Wagner not even honorable-mention for All-American (probably should have been POY in MA Region). 

The CAC has been a multi-bid league for over half a decade and CNU has been to the Final 4 twice in 5 years (and probably was going to go again this year if not for COVID-19). 

Am I missing something or is there a lack of respect for this conference from a national POV?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 24, 2020, 09:50:50 PM
Quote from: D3RetiredHooper on March 24, 2020, 09:39:53 PM
D3Hoops showing a lack of respect for the CAC.  All-Region team has one player (Aigner and Rowson definitely worthy of at the VERY LEAST 2nd team) and Jared Wagner not even honorable-mention for All-American (probably should have been POY in MA Region). 

The CAC has been a multi-bid league for over half a decade and CNU has been to the Final 4 twice in 5 years (and probably was going to go again this year if not for COVID-19). 

Am I missing something or is there a lack of respect for this conference from a national POV?

No -- we just couldn't get 42 conference MVPs or 40 first-team All-Region players into a 25-man All-America team. We don't pad our honorable mention with dozens of players like some.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 24, 2020, 09:57:28 PM
Quote from: D3RetiredHooper on March 24, 2020, 09:39:53 PM
D3Hoops showing a lack of respect for the CAC.  All-Region team has one player (Aigner and Rowson definitely worthy of at the VERY LEAST 2nd team) and Jared Wagner not even honorable-mention for All-American (probably should have been POY in MA Region). 

The CAC has been a multi-bid league for over half a decade and CNU has been to the Final 4 twice in 5 years (and probably was going to go again this year if not for COVID-19). 

Am I missing something or is there a lack of respect for this conference from a national POV?

As one who knows the conference pretty darn well ... there isn't a lack of respect. There is a LOT of good talent in DIII. And this year's decisions aren't based on previous year's experience.

Sure, more games in the tourney could have helped us make other decisions, but we can't play the "what if" game.

But as I/we always ask ... who would you removed to fit in your (bias?) selections for All-America?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: D3RetiredHooper on March 24, 2020, 10:46:39 PM
All-Region MA I would argue Greg Rowson-Mary Wash and Jason Aigner-CNU were both very deserving of 2nd Team, Aigner could have probably been 1st team.

Wagner finished 2nd in total assists in country (202), 3rd in steals in country (81), and led the CAC in PPG, STPG, and top 10 in RPG.

CAC is rated 12th in Massey, Centennial 19th.

I really don't want to talk negatively against any player named over Wagner but his numbers are comparable to the MA Player of the Year and D3Hoops 3rd Team AA Conner Delaney.

Jared Wagner: 18.3 PPG, 7.0 APG, 6.1 RPG, 2.8 STPG POY CAC

Conner Delaney: 17.5 PPG, 4.9 APG, 3.7 RPG, 1.6 STPG, POY CENT

My "bias" would be the Centennial being viewed by D3Hoops relatively a much stronger league than the CAC.  Please explain this to the CAC crowd.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 24, 2020, 10:58:07 PM
At least you mentioned someone ... because when it comes to it, someone has to be removed to put someone on the team.

But there was no chance Delaney wasn't going to be an All-Region selection along with being an All-American selection. His impact for Hopkins, the conference (Player of the Year, by the way), and region were far bigger than nearly anyone else in the Mid-Atlantic.

I'm not saying others weren't good, too, but I don't think you will find anyone saying Delaney shouldn't be on any of the teams were was awarded.

And Massey isn't going to suddenly change my mind. I'd suggest another argument if one exists. But considering Swarthmore is #1 and Hopkins rose to be a top ten team ... yes, Centennial has a lot of strength. But, I am not going to get into what you think we think. I know the CAC is half the size of the Centennial, so trying to compare them is pointless. The top of the Centennial is stronger, in my opinion, the middle is about the same ... but at that point we run out of teams to talk about in the CAC.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 24, 2020, 10:59:35 PM
And I'm the guy who goes to and watching games in nearly ever conference in this region ... so you aren't going to find me with a care for the argument that somehow the CAC is disrespected. I've spent FAR more time even thinking about the CAC than nearly any other conference in this country. Talking to people in the CAC and working with news from this conference. If there was disrespect, I wouldn't waste the time because then I wouldn't care.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: D3RetiredHooper on March 24, 2020, 11:13:25 PM
I know your job is hard and obviously a lot of players feel shafted when you make your selections.  I feel the CAC as a whole has been underrated massively by D3Hoops in recent years (Mary Washington would have been the 3rd best team in the Centennial this year).

The fact that only ONE player was put on your D3hoops MA all-region teams and ZERO CAC players were put on your AA teams shows some disrespect from a national perspective. It's pretty obvious the CAC is a top 10 conference the past 5 years in the country and deserved to have at least 2 teams this season in your D3Hoops Top 25. 

It would be nice for a D3Hoops media member to come down for a big CAC game (IE York vs CNU) instead of watching elite teams play bottom feeders of the Centennial and the Landmark!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 24, 2020, 11:34:54 PM
Quote from: D3RetiredHooper on March 24, 2020, 11:13:25 PM
I know your job is hard and obviously a lot of players feel shafted when you make your selections.  I feel the CAC as a whole has been underrated massively by D3Hoops in recent years (Mary Washington would have been the 3rd best team in the Centennial this year).

The fact that only ONE player was put on your D3hoops MA all-region teams and ZERO CAC players were put on your AA teams shows some disrespect from a national perspective. It's pretty obvious the CAC is a top 10 conference the past 5 years in the country and deserved to have at least 2 teams this season in your D3Hoops Top 25. 

It would be nice for a D3Hoops media member to come down for a big CAC game (IE York vs CNU) instead of watching elite teams play bottom feeders of the Centennial and the Landmark!

Considering the drop off in both the CAC and the Centennial from the top two to the next group of teams in each conference ... saying Mary Wash would have been #3 in the Centennial isn't saying much. Though, considering how good Haverford and Muhlenberg were this year, I don't think Mary Wash being #3 is an easy sell (Haverford did fade late). Mary Wash was good, but if they were in the Centennial I think it plays out much differently.

And I'm sorry ... but do you want to go through the number of conferences that didn't get any All-Americans? There are 25 slots ... with 40+ conferences, not even every Player of the Year is going to get a slot. How many conferences do you think are "disrespected" because we didn't include them? I haven't thought about the top conferences in awhile, but I would put CAC in the Top 15, I'm not sure the Top 10.

And don't say look at how one team has done the last few years ... Cabrini was a power for several years, did that mean the CSAC was a Top 15 conference? Yeshiva was an incredible team this year. Does that mean the Skyline is Top 15? I don't even know if I would put the Centennial in the Top 10 (off the top of my head, in no particular order: WIAC, CCIW, NESCAC, UAA, ODAC, SUNYAC, NEWMAC, NCAC, OAC, ARC are probably in my top ten before I consider CAC or Centennial ... and that leaves out MIAC [top heavy this season], NWC [three-teams deep on top this season], and others).

BTW - D3hoops media has been to big CAC games ... we just don't advertise it all the time. But go ahead and keep assuming you know where we go all the time. Furthermore speaking from a personal perspective, I have to work ... so I am going to go to games as well where I am being paid. So you can take a snarky shot at some of the games I'm at ... but most of the time it's because that's where I'm getting paid to be. Also, those are the gyms closest to me ... though, YCP not that far and I have been there for YCP v CNU on several occasions ... but you know all, right?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 24, 2020, 11:38:29 PM
BTW - you do realize I graduated from a CAC school (at the time) and played college sports in the CAC, right? You seem to be making assumptions about who we are without real knowledge. I mean, I can take guesses at who you are too, but what is the point? I'm rather up front about who I am.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: D3RetiredHooper on March 25, 2020, 12:34:26 AM
I mean no disrespect at D3hoops for who you are or what you do.  I understand you guys do a great job promoting our sport to the general public.   

But my point is the CAC is stronger than D3Hoops has portrayed in the last 5 years. One player in the first or second team MA All-Region D3Hoops Team and zero in the AA teams from the CAC is a pretty hard knock and disrespectful given the general competitiveness of the conference.  If you have an argument about that fact I would love to hear it!

Yes there are 42 conferences but the CAC has been a 2-bid league (sometimes 3-bid) for many years and rated in the top 10 on average for the last 5 years according to Massey and 7th this year according to Matt Snyder's Efficiency Rating.  If there is a better Conference Rating system then would love to hear it!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 25, 2020, 12:47:45 AM

"We" don't pick the All-Region teams, per say.  There's a panel of voters across the region, with every conference represented.

When it comes to All-Americans, those are tough decisions.  I'll just speak for myself, outside of conference POYs, I can't think of a single time I've associated a player with their conference in the process.  I don't know how the other people think about it, but I try very hard to separate players from their teams, even, and consider them on their individual merits.

It's absolutely, 100% right to be upset Wagner wasn't on the AA list.  I'm upset about it.  There's 40 guys for 25 slots.  The simple math means disappointment.  He deserved a spot and there wasn't a spot for him.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: D3RetiredHooper on March 25, 2020, 01:12:18 AM
And don't say look at how one team has done the last few years ... Cabrini was a power for several years, did that mean the CSAC was a Top 15 conference? Yeshiva was an incredible team this year. Does that mean the Skyline is Top 15? I don't even know if I would put the Centennial in the Top 10 (off the top of my head, in no particular order: WIAC, CCIW, NESCAC, UAA, ODAC, SUNYAC, NEWMAC, NCAC, OAC, ARC are probably in my top ten before I consider CAC or Centennial ... and that leaves out MIAC [top heavy this season], NWC [three-teams deep on top this season], and others).


This is my general point.  The CAC deserves to be rated close if not above some of the conferences you mentioned. 

CNU has made 2 final fours in the past 5 years (and had a home game against Hobart to go back to Fort Wayne).

York has won NCAA tournament games in 3 straight years.

The Mid-Atlantic Region should be considered one of the top 2 or 3 regions in the country.

The D3Hoops Top 25 poll and D3 All-American and D3 All-Region Selections do not reflect the general strength of the CAC conference, this is my overall point.  If I am not accurate in my points I would to hear a solid argument why I am wrong!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 25, 2020, 09:17:44 AM

Personally, I've never attempted to rank conferences.  You might be right,  though.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on March 25, 2020, 10:44:08 AM
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh......................First World Problems!!!!

USA, USA, USA...............

It's nice to live in a country where this is considered a "big" issue. ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 25, 2020, 02:16:36 PM
Quote from: D3RetiredHooper on March 25, 2020, 01:12:18 AM
And don't say look at how one team has done the last few years ... Cabrini was a power for several years, did that mean the CSAC was a Top 15 conference? Yeshiva was an incredible team this year. Does that mean the Skyline is Top 15? I don't even know if I would put the Centennial in the Top 10 (off the top of my head, in no particular order: WIAC, CCIW, NESCAC, UAA, ODAC, SUNYAC, NEWMAC, NCAC, OAC, ARC are probably in my top ten before I consider CAC or Centennial ... and that leaves out MIAC [top heavy this season], NWC [three-teams deep on top this season], and others).


This is my general point.  The CAC deserves to be rated close if not above some of the conferences you mentioned. 

CNU has made 2 final fours in the past 5 years (and had a home game against Hobart to go back to Fort Wayne).

York has won NCAA tournament games in 3 straight years.

The Mid-Atlantic Region should be considered one of the top 2 or 3 regions in the country.

The D3Hoops Top 25 poll and D3 All-American and D3 All-Region Selections do not reflect the general strength of the CAC conference, this is my overall point.  If I am not accurate in my points I would to hear a solid argument why I am wrong!

You aren't going to listen to any argument and won't indicate it is a "solid" one unless it somehow makes you stop arguing. Considering I don't think the later is going to happen, I'm not inclined to continue discussing something with a recently graduated player who probably hasn't seen the national score of the division outside of the games he played or maybe watched occasionally.

The CAC is a good conference. You keep making it seem like "we" think it is a lousy conference. You seem to think the only way we "respect" the conference is if "we" agree with your opinion and move them into some level you have determined.

And you seem to both ignore my point while highlighting another. Cabrini was a powerhouse team and made it to the championship game .. didn't prove the CSAC was suddenly a top ten conference, right? Yes, CNU has made some great runs. They have been a very well coached team, but tournament success is not just based on a team's ability, but also the road and bracket before them. Sometimes teams have tougher trips than others, so trying to use that as a barometer is flawed at best.

F&M for years tried to portray themselves as one of the best teams in the country because of their final four appearances, but the tournament process at the time meant they were coming out of the easiest quadrant almost every year. Interesting that once the system has gotten somewhat more competitive in terms of spreading teams out, that same success hasn't been there. CNU hasn't had the same road to hoe as Central teams for sure and even Great Lakes and West teams. But because they are in the final four that means the conference is somehow a top ten? Because YCP has won games in the NCAA tournament that means the CAC is somehow a power? Nothing against YCP who I voted for quite often in the Top 25 this season, but this year they played an average at best SJF team and last year played DeSales which hasn't been a power or strong team in a number of years. Three years ago they beat up-and-coming Yeshiva without it's best player and that was probably one of the best YCP teams I've seen.

A measure of a conference isn't how the first round does, it is how they do further than that. CNU is the only team to get out of the first weekend in now six years when Mary Washington pulled off a miraculous season and run. The last time Salisbury got to the second weekend since 1997 (and once more in 1992). Any other success has to go back to when Catholic was in the league.

CAC is competitive for sure, but it isn't some power. I think until recently the MAC Commonwealth has been one of the most underrated conferences in the country. It has a beast from top to bottom, but they have never been able to get into the "top" anything conversation because they never produce strong teams that can compete nationally. CAC at least has CNU and YCP now in the mix (though, about to lose YCP so this going to be a moot point). But outside of CNU, the national mantle has never been able to rest on any other shoulders. That doesn't make for a power conference.

WIAC has had a number of teams compete for national championships just in this century (and decade) alone along with other teams that have proven themselves to the second weekend routinely. Same goes for the CCIW. The ODAC has slipped a bit, but usually produces powerhouse programs and sees multiple teams be a threat. The NESCAC's resume speaks for itself. The NEWMAC has more threats every year than the CAC ... and I could go on and on.

The CAC has had CNU and now YCP. That's it. Mary Wash was far more competitive this season, but they also haven't been able to get over the hump to cause people to take notice. Salisbury has been all over the place for years. Southern Virginia isn't turning any heads. PSU-Harrisburg finally turned some heads, but they did it once out of the CAC.

I am sorry if you don't think the conference is respected, but I am telling you as one who talks DIII basketball quite a bit ... you couldn't be more wrong. Just because awards aren't handed out as much as you feel they should has no bearing on the respect level. I don't look at a player and dismiss them because of the team and conference. It is one of the things that has had me appreciate how much good talent is around this country on so many different teams. We named the best player in the country on LeTourneau this season. The Coach of the Year from Yeshiva. The All-America teams had only two teams that saw multiple players (just one on the women's side). We are naming a LOT of schools and by default a number of conferences. But there isn't room for everyone.

And telling us "we don't respect the CAC" isn't going to suddenly have us change our minds, either. It is a lazy argument based on nothing factual or actual. It is all based on assumptions that I have told you is inaccurate (especially considering two of the four main people at D3hoops.com came up through then-CAC schools).
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 25, 2020, 04:36:11 PM
This is kind of a moot point, considering that no matter what we might be believed to collectively think, it will be different when the conference no longer has one of its powers this fall.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Just Bill on April 15, 2020, 07:17:11 PM
CAC Commissioner leaves for the NACC

https://naccsports.org/general/2019-20/releases/20200409v89l34
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: DCAbloob on May 26, 2020, 12:16:16 PM
The remaining ACAA schools are coming into the CAC to create a national conference which will be renamed.
https://cacsports.com/general/2019-20/releases/20200420cw0nca
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on May 26, 2020, 12:23:52 PM
Quote from: DCAbloob on May 26, 2020, 12:16:16 PM
The remaining ACAA schools are coming into the CAC to create a national conference which will be renamed.
https://cacsports.com/general/2019-20/releases/20200420cw0nca

The eastern schools will continue to look for alternatives as time goes on. This conference is a "mess" (lovingly stated, of course)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: DCAbloob on May 26, 2020, 12:41:29 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on May 26, 2020, 12:23:52 PM
Quote from: DCAbloob on May 26, 2020, 12:16:16 PM
The remaining ACAA schools are coming into the CAC to create a national conference which will be renamed.
https://cacsports.com/general/2019-20/releases/20200420cw0nca

The eastern schools will continue to look for alternatives as time goes on. This conference is a "mess" (lovingly stated, of course)

The merged CAC is the definition of an alliance of convenience but a necessary one until if/when alternatives become available. The move to Massey ratings for tournament seedings in the CAC, so the former ACAA & CAC teams don't have to play each other in regular season, could become an eventual model for non-revenue sports across all NCAA divisions. The ACAA schools already weren't required to play each other of course.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on May 26, 2020, 01:18:53 PM
Important things first -- Once the seasons start, where will I find the chat boards? Which region?
  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on May 26, 2020, 03:52:00 PM
I suspect we will leave it right here in the Mid-Atlantic ...

But those of you who listen/watch Hoopsville shouldn't have been surprised by this news.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on May 27, 2020, 08:44:37 AM
Nope. Nobody was surprised. I don't think anyone working on this was trying to keep anything secret. Everyone knew when meetings were held, what schools were being considered, etc. There was no attempt by anyone involved to keep this a secret. It's been in the press since mid December and you reported on it in January. So everyone was on top of the story.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on May 27, 2020, 01:10:11 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on May 27, 2020, 08:44:37 AM
Nope. Nobody was surprised. I don't think anyone working on this was trying to keep anything secret. Everyone knew when meetings were held, what schools were being considered, etc. There was no attempt by anyone involved to keep this a secret. It's been in the press since mid December and you reported on it in January. So everyone was on top of the story.

I don't necessarily agree. The report in December didn't name schools or the ACAA. And when I went around trying to get sources about the meeting at the NCAA Convention in January ... I met very few who would even talk off the record.

While they may not have been denying things ... they also weren't exactly being open about it.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on May 28, 2020, 09:38:24 AM
https://www.pilotonline.com/sports/vp-sp-cnu-capital-athletic-future-1218-20191217-avqntv3nsrc7neymrmxhsyvnwe-story.html (https://www.pilotonline.com/sports/vp-sp-cnu-capital-athletic-future-1218-20191217-avqntv3nsrc7neymrmxhsyvnwe-story.html)

This mentions the ACAA  as well as the members in the ACAA. Dec 17
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ronk on May 28, 2020, 11:44:07 AM
Quote from: DCAbloob on May 26, 2020, 12:16:16 PM
The remaining ACAA schools are coming into the CAC to create a national conference which will be renamed.
https://cacsports.com/general/2019-20/releases/20200420cw0nca

This resembles a question posed on the bumbling Bs chat years ago when a newly-formed conference(Landmark) was not granted an AQ until 2 years had passed; the reason - to keep schools from hopping around just for improved post-season opportunity. Doesn't appear to have achieved that purpose.

Multi-Regional Topics / Re: Bumblin' B's
« Message by Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 03, 2009, 10:07:53 pm »
Quote from: ronk on March 03, 2009, 10:03:03 pm
  Here's a Pool B question from a different angle:
     Why's the Landmark placed in Pool B in the 1st place? Al least half of the schools have been in D3 from the beginning of D3? What's the NCAA trying to achieve/avoid with this policy?

The NCAA wants to make sure the conference is solid before giving them an AQ.  You wouldn't want schools hopping from conference to conference simply for a better chance at the post-season.

Not that those scenarios are that likely, but you know someone would push the envelope if it was available.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on May 28, 2020, 12:59:27 PM
It's not clear to me what benefit the ACAA members get from this, beyond they technically have access to AQs.

That's not an immediate benefit to Pratt, which is just entering the first year of the four-year process now. That's not a benefit to Pine Manor who's going away entirely in a year.  I don't know about other sports, but that's not a meaningful benefit for Mills, Finlandia or Mount Mary in basketball because they either don't have the sport or aren't competitive in it.

Other than the very occasional UC Santa Cruz team who has been good enough to compete a Pool B bid, do these schools have a lot of teams that are missing NCAA playoffs in other sports but arguably good enough in them to compete if they could just get access? How much of a recruiting tool is it if you have access to a bid that you have very little chance of earning?

The other reasons that apply to conference membership -- ease of scheduling, travel to markets where you want to promote your school,  working with like-minded institutions -- don't apply to this move.  Finlandia's quote cites the benefit of "increasing the recruiting region for their programs." So Finlandia will now recruit more students from the Virginia Beach, Delmarva or Washington DC markets because a couple teams play in that area on a random basis once or twice a year? How will sending their women's hoops team to  Virginia Beach so they can lose by 45 in the first round of a four-team tournament help recruiting more than, say, spending money on a billboard would?

In some cases, I think the merger will give the ACAA members less access to the benefits of conference membership. One of Thomas More's reasons for joining the ACAA was it would allow their players to be eligible for all-conference honors. So all those awards went to Madison Temple or another TMC player for that season, instead of the traditional ACAA members. Similarly merging with the CAC just makes it less likely that those awards will go to ACAA members.

Mathematically, having more conference members, a cluster of which are within driving distance of each other, will make it less likely that the ACAA members will host postseason events, right?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on May 28, 2020, 01:58:38 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on May 28, 2020, 12:59:27 PM
It's not clear to me what benefit the ACAA members get from this, beyond they technically have access to AQs.

That's not an immediate benefit to Pratt, which is just entering the first year of the four-year process now. That's not a benefit to Pine Manor who's going away entirely in a year.  I don't know about other sports, but that's not a meaningful benefit for Mills, Finlandia or Mount Mary in basketball because they either don't have the sport or aren't competitive in it.

Other than the very occasional UC Santa Cruz team who has been good enough to compete a Pool B bid, do these schools have a lot of teams that are missing NCAA playoffs in other sports but arguably good enough in them to compete if they could just get access? How much of a recruiting tool is it if you have access to a bid that you have very little chance of earning?

The other reasons that apply to conference membership -- ease of scheduling, travel to markets where you want to promote your school,  working with like-minded institutions -- don't apply to this move.  Finlandia's quote cites the benefit of "increasing the recruiting region for their programs." So Finlandia will now recruit more students from the Virginia Beach, Delmarva or Washington DC markets because a couple teams play in that area on a random basis once or twice a year? How will sending their women's hoops team to  Virginia Beach so they can lose by 45 in the first round of a four-team tournament help recruiting more than, say, spending money on a billboard would?

In some cases, I think the merger will give the ACAA members less access to the benefits of conference membership. One of Thomas More's reasons for joining the ACAA was it would allow their players to be eligible for all-conference honors. So all those awards went to Madison Temple or another TMC player for that season, instead of the traditional ACAA members. Similarly merging with the CAC just makes it less likely that those awards will go to ACAA members.

Mathematically, having more conference members, a cluster of which are within driving distance of each other, will make it less likely that the ACAA members will host postseason events, right?

Interesting comments. I wonder some of the same things. I know they have talked about making sure post season tournaments are spread out as much as possible.

and btw -- who the heck is in Va Beach?  ;D

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on May 28, 2020, 02:16:09 PM

I have always been under the impression the ACAA was created to try and earn an AQ for teams actively seeking residence in other conferences.  It was created during a time when there was no Pool B bid (at least for men's basketball) and this was hurting recruiting at these schools - with no real chance at post-season play.  At the same time, coaches I spoke with were well aware that as soon as their school found another place to go, they would.

The only problem with that model is that the ACAA never got to a level where they qualified for an AQ - this merger provides them that access.

It's super unlikely one of the ACAA teams beat CNU in a basketball tournament, but the possibility exists - plus, I imagine, all these ACAA schools will continue to actively seeks better conferences fits moving forward.

It's messy, for sure, but I do see why everybody is on board with the plan for now.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on May 28, 2020, 03:44:01 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on May 28, 2020, 12:59:27 PM
It's not clear to me what benefit the ACAA members get from this, beyond they technically have access to AQs.

That's not an immediate benefit to Pratt, which is just entering the first year of the four-year process now. That's not a benefit to Pine Manor who's going away entirely in a year.  I don't know about other sports, but that's not a meaningful benefit for Mills, Finlandia or Mount Mary in basketball because they either don't have the sport or aren't competitive in it.

Other than the very occasional UC Santa Cruz team who has been good enough to compete a Pool B bid, do these schools have a lot of teams that are missing NCAA playoffs in other sports but arguably good enough in them to compete if they could just get access? How much of a recruiting tool is it if you have access to a bid that you have very little chance of earning?

The other reasons that apply to conference membership -- ease of scheduling, travel to markets where you want to promote your school,  working with like-minded institutions -- don't apply to this move.  Finlandia's quote cites the benefit of "increasing the recruiting region for their programs." So Finlandia will now recruit more students from the Virginia Beach, Delmarva or Washington DC markets because a couple teams play in that area on a random basis once or twice a year? How will sending their women's hoops team to  Virginia Beach so they can lose by 45 in the first round of a four-team tournament help recruiting more than, say, spending money on a billboard would?

In some cases, I think the merger will give the ACAA members less access to the benefits of conference membership. One of Thomas More's reasons for joining the ACAA was it would allow their players to be eligible for all-conference honors. So all those awards went to Madison Temple or another TMC player for that season, instead of the traditional ACAA members. Similarly merging with the CAC just makes it less likely that those awards will go to ACAA members.

Mathematically, having more conference members, a cluster of which are within driving distance of each other, will make it less likely that the ACAA members will host postseason events, right?

Gordon, I agree................and also agree with Ryan's post as well.

It almost looks like it was a lifeline thrown to the remaining few CAC teams, until they find a better option. When and where are the better options for the currently remaining CAC teams?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on May 28, 2020, 04:56:59 PM
QuoteAnd btw -- who the heck is in Va Beach?  ;D

Shoot, I thought that's where CNU is. Should've said Newport News.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ronk on May 28, 2020, 05:26:48 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on May 28, 2020, 04:56:59 PM
QuoteAnd btw -- who the heck is in Va Beach?  ;D

Shoot, I thought that's where CNU is. Should've said Newport News.

You may have been thinking of Va. Wesleyan(site of the women's final 4-2005) which is in Va. Beach.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on May 29, 2020, 11:33:49 AM
Yes, exactly.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on August 10, 2020, 05:05:39 PM
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The off season has hit August and with it has come news of Division III Fall Championships being canceled for the same reason Winter Championships were derailed and Spring Championships pulled earlier this year: COVID 19 Pandemic.

The decision came on the heals of a vast majority of DIII institutions curtailing fall sports and many pushing winter sports starts on their campuses until January at the earliest.

What does this mean for the 2020-21 season of college basketball? Specifically what does it mean for Division III? Will there be a basketball season? Will it be a six-week-or-so-sprint? Or is there a way to adjust things?

On the Mid-Summer edition of the Hoopsville Podcast, we try and get some answers to those questions. We talk to one coach who actually has put together a proposal to start the season in January, with some changes to make it work including crowning a champion in April. And we talk to an administrator who also serves on the DIII Management Council to better under stand the decisions made to cancel championships and if shift a season like basketball is even possible.

Plus, we honor the best of the best in the last decade of Division III women's basketball. Gordon Mann joins us to discuss how the 2nd D3hoops.com Women's All-Decade came together (and hints of work on the men's list).

Guests include:
- Philip Ponder, Oglethorpe men's coach
- Jason Fein, Bates Athletics Director and DIII Management Council member
- Gordon Mann, D3hoops.com Senior Editor

And of course, there is always the Hoopsville Notebook. A few things we take note of that have made headlines since the beginning of July. We also tip our hat to a few of those who have always helped the show be it's best.

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Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on August 18, 2020, 03:03:43 PM
someone remind me how many hoops games will constitute a season this year? Is it 12? I can't remember and cannot find it. Thanks!

updated - found it...12 it is. And I don't think you need a conference tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on August 19, 2020, 03:21:20 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on August 18, 2020, 03:03:43 PM
someone remind me how many hoops games will constitute a season this year? Is it 12? I can't remember and cannot find it. Thanks!

A season can consist of up to 25 games, but the minimum this year was lowered to 12. That doesn't mean you only have to play 12, but for the sport to qualify for NCAA membership then they have to play 12. That last part dependent on whether the NCAA is sponsoring the championship in that particular season (last season being an exception since the regular season was over when that decision was made).

So a team could play up to 25 in the regular season if they want to.

The normal minimum I think is 17 for basketball.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on September 18, 2020, 03:04:34 PM
https://www.cacsports.com/general/2020-21/releases/1803j5kanzbmw

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on September 23, 2020, 06:26:17 PM
Will there be a 2020-21 NCAA Division III basketball season? If so what will it look like? What will the post-season look like?

It is on the mind of student-athletes, coaches, administrators, parents, and fans for several weeks, if not months, now. We are finally understanding what it may look like as a number of decisions or proposals are now making their way around Division III.

In this month's podcast, Dave McHugh not only downloads all the things being considered and the likely outcomes, but tries to give listeners an understanding of how much is still unknown despite some things becoming more clear.

McHugh also talks to Texas-Dallas women's basketball coach Polly Thomason for her take. Thomason has been in the Division III Women's Basketball National Committee for several years and is this season's chair of the committee. She also serves on the WBCA Board of Governors. Thomason not only provides her perspective on much of what is going on not only in Division III, but in women's basketball as well.

And of course, there is always the Hoopsville Notebook. Unfortunately, there is some sad news in the Notebook this month, but also news to celebrate especially when it comes to DIII alums making news in the NBA.

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Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: jaybird44 on October 29, 2020, 07:11:58 PM
Hello friends!

It seems that I have been the only member of the only (unofficial) fall sport at WashU, with my 100-mile ultramarathon attempt earlier this month to promote the fight for a cure during Rett Syndrome Awareness Month.  That attempt fell a bit short in miles and fundraising, so I'm going into overtime to try and reach $5,000 in donations.

Rett Gets Rocked 50K for $5K will commence Friday, October 30 at 8 pm Central, and end at 8 am Halloween morning.  Counting donations received (thanks to retired WashU men's basketball coach Mark Edwards and his wife Mary, and to Mike McGrath and his  University of Chicago men's basketball program for their donations!) and those yet to be sent and processed, I am at $4,440.53.  Very, very close to my goal...which will fund a researcher's work for a month.  Wouldn't it be cool if he or she cracked the code for a cure of Rett syndrome, on our dime?!

I reached 86 miles in my "Rett Gets Rocked Virtual Ultra Weekend" October 3-4.  I'm very proud of that result, but there's more work to be done.  Proceeds from the event will be split between Rettsyndrome.org (the only national organization spearheading research and providing resources for affected patients and their families) and the Rett Spectrum Clinic--a collaboration between the WashU School of Medicine and St. Louis Children's Hospital.

Rett syndrome is a rare, non-inherited neurological disorder that is caused by a gene mutation in the brain.  Rett strikes typically when a child is 6-18 months old, and it has the characteristics of ALS, autism, epilepsy, and Parkinson's...all rolled into one sinister disorder.
It takes away the child's ability to move and communicate.  Most of them end up in wheelchairs with active minds, but mired in the physical rubble that Rett creates.  And, the neurological damage prevents verbal communication and arm and hand movement for sign language.

In essence, Rett does to a child what Lucy in the "Peanuts" comic strip does to Charlie Brown when he tries to kick the football that she is holding.  The only difference is that Charlie Brown can get back up to try again.  Those who are afflicted with Rett syndrome don't get another chance to enjoy a vibrant life.

Researchers are working to re-engineer the gene mutation that turns on Rett, so it can be forever turned off.  Four drug therapies are in the FDA review pipeline, with one (trofanitide) one level away from review.  And, iPad tablets with retinal scan technology are giving those with Rett a voice they haven't had since they were toddlers.

The full court press on Rett is paying off.  You can help keep the pressure on Rett, by going to my Rett Racers donation page:  https://rettracer.everydayhero.com/us/rett-gets-rocked-2020

Thanks for your time and consideration, and let's hope that we get back to playing and broadcasting sports much sooner than later!

Jay Murry
Play-By-Play Announcer, Washington University in St. Louis
Event Director, Rett Gets Rocked 50K for $5K
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 02, 2020, 02:05:30 PM
Quote from: jaybird44 on October 29, 2020, 07:11:58 PM
Hello friends!

It seems that I have been the only member of the only (unofficial) fall sport at WashU, with my 100-mile ultramarathon attempt earlier this month to promote the fight for a cure during Rett Syndrome Awareness Month.  That attempt fell a bit short in miles and fundraising, so I'm going into overtime to try and reach $5,000 in donations.

Rett Gets Rocked 50K for $5K will commence Friday, October 30 at 8 pm Central, and end at 8 am Halloween morning.  Counting donations received (thanks to retired WashU men's basketball coach Mark Edwards and his wife Mary, and to Mike McGrath and his  University of Chicago men's basketball program for their donations!) and those yet to be sent and processed, I am at $4,440.53.  Very, very close to my goal...which will fund a researcher's work for a month.  Wouldn't it be cool if he or she cracked the code for a cure of Rett syndrome, on our dime?!

I reached 86 miles in my "Rett Gets Rocked Virtual Ultra Weekend" October 3-4.  I'm very proud of that result, but there's more work to be done.  Proceeds from the event will be split between Rettsyndrome.org (the only national organization spearheading research and providing resources for affected patients and their families) and the Rett Spectrum Clinic--a collaboration between the WashU School of Medicine and St. Louis Children's Hospital.

Rett syndrome is a rare, non-inherited neurological disorder that is caused by a gene mutation in the brain.  Rett strikes typically when a child is 6-18 months old, and it has the characteristics of ALS, autism, epilepsy, and Parkinson's...all rolled into one sinister disorder.
It takes away the child's ability to move and communicate.  Most of them end up in wheelchairs with active minds, but mired in the physical rubble that Rett creates.  And, the neurological damage prevents verbal communication and arm and hand movement for sign language.

In essence, Rett does to a child what Lucy in the "Peanuts" comic strip does to Charlie Brown when he tries to kick the football that she is holding.  The only difference is that Charlie Brown can get back up to try again.  Those who are afflicted with Rett syndrome don't get another chance to enjoy a vibrant life.

Researchers are working to re-engineer the gene mutation that turns on Rett, so it can be forever turned off.  Four drug therapies are in the FDA review pipeline, with one (trofanitide) one level away from review.  And, iPad tablets with retinal scan technology are giving those with Rett a voice they haven't had since they were toddlers.

The full court press on Rett is paying off.  You can help keep the pressure on Rett, by going to my Rett Racers donation page:  https://rettracer.everydayhero.com/us/rett-gets-rocked-2020

Thanks for your time and consideration, and let's hope that we get back to playing and broadcasting sports much sooner than later!

Jay Murry
Play-By-Play Announcer, Washington University in St. Louis
Event Director, Rett Gets Rocked 50K for $5K

I donated to Jaybird's cause. It always feels good to help others and I encourage everyone to give. If not to this cause, then donate to a cause that touches your heart. Everyone has a story and I feel when it is possible, to help those in need. God has given us all talents, gifts, and treasures to use to help those not as fortunate as ourselves. I'm always looking for ways to pay it forward. Please give of your time, talent and treasures. It not only helps those on the receiving end, but it also makes you feel good! Studies have shown that the happiest people are the givers.

Jaybird - nicely done to put so much effort into a cause that obviously is one close to your heart. I am glad I was able to help in such a small manner.



Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 18, 2020, 01:54:32 PM
It's finally official!

Nothing surprising or unexpected. But a pretty cool video launch.


https://twitter.com/i/status/1329107107136692225 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1329107107136692225)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on December 03, 2020, 12:13:52 PM
Sadly, this is official too....https://www.cnusports.com/news/2020/12/2/general-coast-to-coast-athletic-conference-announces-cancellation-of-all-fall-and-winter-competition.aspx (https://www.cnusports.com/news/2020/12/2/general-coast-to-coast-athletic-conference-announces-cancellation-of-all-fall-and-winter-competition.aspx)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 03, 2020, 01:47:27 PM
No surprise. They can still schedule one another if they want, but this was a logical decision. The question will become if schools can leave their states to play opponents.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on October 19, 2021, 02:41:32 PM
Should we start a new C2C board in the multi-region section???

In looking at the CNU schedule. It's tough. Based on the preseason Top25, we play #1 (RMC), #3 (Marietta), and #14 (JHU) --  and potentially could face #20 (Roanoke).
Also we play 3 games against ORV.

If we play Roanoke in a tournament, we would have 3 straight games against #14, #3 and #20.
Then a week later - against Lynchburg who is receiving votes and a week after that #1 RMC.

All before Dec 1!!!

This schedule is brutal! I'm looking forward to it!

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 19, 2021, 02:46:07 PM
Don't start a new board, in my opinion. We could move this if we really needed to but I don't think it needs to happen.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on October 21, 2021, 12:04:57 PM
My guess is that the chatter will be minimal anyway. I will be talking to myself a lot!!

Perhaps a name change is all that is needed.

Title: Re: MBB: Coast 2 Coast Athletic Concerence
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 21, 2021, 04:34:12 PM
OK, let's see how it goes.
Title: Re: MBB: Coast 2 Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 21, 2021, 04:57:37 PM

I mean, technically, none of the boards are in the correct region anymore anyway, right?
Title: Re: MBB: Coast 2 Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on October 22, 2021, 08:57:00 AM
True, Ryan. I'm still having trouble figuring out the old regions. I think it's an age thing.  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Coast 2 Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: jesskleangda on October 25, 2021, 06:49:29 PM
I'll be chiming in too.  Pretty excited for the season to start.  UMW also has a pretty brutal schedule.  Should be a fun year.  Since UMW didn't have hoops last year, the team looks different but exciting nonetheless.
Title: Re: MBB: Coast 2 Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on October 26, 2021, 05:08:42 PM
Quote from: jesskleangda on October 25, 2021, 06:49:29 PM
I'll be chiming in too.  Pretty excited for the season to start.  UMW also has a pretty brutal schedule.  Should be a fun year.  Since UMW didn't have hoops last year, the team looks different but exciting nonetheless.

I keep track of UMW a little more than I normally do. A friend of mine has a daughter on the women's team.
Title: Re: MBB: Coast 2 Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 05, 2021, 09:49:44 PM
Good start for CNU. Tough game coming up on Sunday.
Title: Re: MBB: Coast 2 Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 06, 2021, 09:19:25 AM
Quote from: CNU85 on November 05, 2021, 09:49:44 PM
Good start for CNU. Tough game coming up on Sunday.

That's kind of an understatement.
Title: Re: MBB: Coast 2 Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 07, 2021, 06:40:08 PM
Nice win over #14 JHU today. A lot of new guys stepped up. Looks like this team is starting to come together. Huge test on Friday vs #3 Marietta on a neutral court.
Title: Re: MBB: Coast 2 Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: MW_Eagles on November 08, 2021, 09:22:12 PM
Glad to have basketball back!  Tough to see Barber transfer to CNU, he's already off to a great start.   I really thought MW could turn the corner this year with Barber and Greg Rowson (among a bunch of seniors) but don't see Rowson on the roster anymore.  Not sure what's going on there.  CNU looks stacked and strong.  This odd  conference alignment  makes the schedule a little weird.  Regardless, happy to see games again!
Title: Re: MBB: Coast 2 Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: D3RetiredHooper on November 09, 2021, 04:10:54 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on November 05, 2021, 09:49:44 PM
Good start for CNU. Tough game coming up on Sunday.

Understatement in terms of huge game Sunday or good start Ryan?  CNU is consistently one of the most underappreciated teams in the country by the national media.  I think their fan base expects them to beat Hopkins at home. 2 Final 4's in half a decade and hosting to go to elite 8 prior to COVID.  They seem to never get talked about among the elites like they probably should. 
Title: Re: MBB: Coast 2 Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 09, 2021, 08:02:43 PM
Quote from: D3RetiredHooper on November 09, 2021, 04:10:54 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on November 05, 2021, 09:49:44 PM
Good start for CNU. Tough game coming up on Sunday.

Understatement in terms of huge game Sunday or good start Ryan?  CNU is consistently one of the most underappreciated teams in the country by the national media.  I think their fan base expects them to beat Hopkins at home. 2 Final 4's in half a decade and hosting to go to elite 8 prior to COVID.  They seem to never get talked about among the elites like they probably should.

I fully expected CNU to win (although they did a lot to try and give it away down the stretch) and I had them ahead of JHU on my preseason ballot. This could very well be another Final Four season.
Title: Re: MBB: Coast 2 Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 10, 2021, 09:28:38 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 09, 2021, 08:02:43 PM
Quote from: D3RetiredHooper on November 09, 2021, 04:10:54 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on November 05, 2021, 09:49:44 PM
Good start for CNU. Tough game coming up on Sunday.

Understatement in terms of huge game Sunday or good start Ryan?  CNU is consistently one of the most underappreciated teams in the country by the national media.  I think their fan base expects them to beat Hopkins at home. 2 Final 4's in half a decade and hosting to go to elite 8 prior to COVID.  They seem to never get talked about among the elites like they probably should.

I fully expected CNU to win (although they did a lot to try and give it away down the stretch) and I had them ahead of JHU on my preseason ballot. This could very well be another Final Four season.

That last 3 minutes of the game about gave me a heart attack!!! I think had JHU been 100% healthy, the outcome may have been different. I saw a few guys at the end of the bench in orthapedic boots and on crutches etc. But I don't know their team, who they were, how the contribute, etc.

Marietta is on the clock. That should be a battle! I hope I can take time and get in front of my ipad to watch.
Title: Re: MBB: Coast 2 Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 10, 2021, 10:00:25 AM
Quote from: CNU85 on November 10, 2021, 09:28:38 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 09, 2021, 08:02:43 PM
Quote from: D3RetiredHooper on November 09, 2021, 04:10:54 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on November 05, 2021, 09:49:44 PM
Good start for CNU. Tough game coming up on Sunday.

Understatement in terms of huge game Sunday or good start Ryan?  CNU is consistently one of the most underappreciated teams in the country by the national media.  I think their fan base expects them to beat Hopkins at home. 2 Final 4's in half a decade and hosting to go to elite 8 prior to COVID.  They seem to never get talked about among the elites like they probably should.

Catching Marietta in their opener should be a plus, but it'll be a good one.

I fully expected CNU to win (although they did a lot to try and give it away down the stretch) and I had them ahead of JHU on my preseason ballot. This could very well be another Final Four season.

That last 3 minutes of the game about gave me a heart attack!!! I think had JHU been 100% healthy, the outcome may have been different. I saw a few guys at the end of the bench in orthapedic boots and on crutches etc. But I don't know their team, who they were, how the contribute, etc.

Marietta is on the clock. That should be a battle! I hope I can take time and get in front of my ipad to watch.
Title: Re: MBB: Coast 2 Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Stretch4 on November 10, 2021, 01:11:24 PM
Caught the second half of JHU/CNU game and checked box score.  Thinking Braedon Johnson (talented senior big guard) is either injured or was not available for the game for JHU.  I assume he would get the nod to start ahead of Carson James.  I think the rest of their main rotation was available, although I expected to see bigs Sykes or Crothers get some time (perhaps they are also sidelined or the combo of Thybulle and Nnake was the plan for this game). 
Title: Re: MBB: Coast 2 Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 14, 2021, 11:48:10 AM
CNU plays #3 Marietta in close game. CNU loses 86-83. At one point CNU was up 12 in first half. A tough loss. But respectable showing for sure.  The tough schedule continues. Lynchburg next weekend. Then the following weekend a tournament where on day 2 CNU meets #1 RMC.
Title: Re: MBB: Coast 2 Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: jesskleangda on November 15, 2021, 02:05:16 PM
UMW also had a close call - losing by 4 to #1 RMC.  It seemed like things clicked for UMW with about 10 minutes left in that game, and they follow up with two good victories on the weekend. 
Title: Re: MBB: Coast 2 Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 17, 2021, 08:01:35 AM
Quote from: jesskleangda on November 15, 2021, 02:05:16 PM
UMW also had a close call - losing by 4 to #1 RMC.  It seemed like things clicked for UMW with about 10 minutes left in that game, and they follow up with two good victories on the weekend.

Nice! It's encouraging when your team does well early against top programs! Congrats on the 4pt loss (sounds weird - but that's a good showing!)
Title: Re: MBB: Coast 2 Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 28, 2021, 06:29:44 PM
CN—-UUUUUUUUUU!
Title: Re: MBB: Coast 2 Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 29, 2021, 05:14:26 AM
 https://www.cnusports.com/news/2021/11/28/mens-basketball-captains-come-from-behind-for-thrilling-overtime-victory-over-top-ranked-randolph-macon.aspx (https://www.cnusports.com/news/2021/11/28/mens-basketball-captains-come-from-behind-for-thrilling-overtime-victory-over-top-ranked-randolph-macon.aspx)
Title: Re: MBB: Coast 2 Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 29, 2021, 05:15:24 AM
Also keep an eye on UMW. They're making noise. Played RMC tough. Beat Lynchburg.
Title: Re: MBB: Coast 2 Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: MW_Eagles on November 29, 2021, 08:20:04 AM
Yes, nice win for CNU!  UMW has really started to play well, got another good road win yesterday against Va Wesleyan.   
Title: Re: MBB: Coast 2 Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on November 29, 2021, 08:47:59 AM
Another signature win for the Captains and Coach K!

Hey, CNU85, do you have any insight on what happened to last year's super freshman, Landon Hawes?  I saw where he was going to play at Iowa Lakes Community College, which is bizarre, but he's not on their roster...the whole situation is really weird.
Title: Re: MBB: Coast 2 Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 29, 2021, 09:27:33 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on November 29, 2021, 08:47:59 AM
Another signature win for the Captains and Coach K!

Hey, CNU85, do you have any insight on what happened to last year's super freshman, Landon Hawes?  I saw where he was going to play at Iowa Lakes Community College, which is bizarre, but he's not on their roster...the whole situation is really weird.

No clue. I saw what you mentioned but I have not heard a word.
Title: Re: MBB: Coast 2 Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 29, 2021, 11:37:40 AM
Quote from: CNU85 on November 29, 2021, 09:27:33 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on November 29, 2021, 08:47:59 AM
Another signature win for the Captains and Coach K!

Hey, CNU85, do you have any insight on what happened to last year's super freshman, Landon Hawes?  I saw where he was going to play at Iowa Lakes Community College, which is bizarre, but he's not on their roster...the whole situation is really weird.

No clue. I saw what you mentioned but I have not heard a word.

I believe he committed to William & Mary, but obviously didn't end up there.
Title: Re: MBB: Coast 2 Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on November 29, 2021, 11:49:08 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 29, 2021, 11:37:40 AM
Quote from: CNU85 on November 29, 2021, 09:27:33 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on November 29, 2021, 08:47:59 AM
Another signature win for the Captains and Coach K!

Hey, CNU85, do you have any insight on what happened to last year's super freshman, Landon Hawes?  I saw where he was going to play at Iowa Lakes Community College, which is bizarre, but he's not on their roster...the whole situation is really weird.

No clue. I saw what you mentioned but I have not heard a word.

I believe he committed to William & Mary, but obviously didn't end up there.

Looks like it was JMU...tough loss for the Captains.
Title: Re: MBB: Coast 2 Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 29, 2021, 12:00:12 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on November 29, 2021, 11:49:08 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 29, 2021, 11:37:40 AM
Quote from: CNU85 on November 29, 2021, 09:27:33 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on November 29, 2021, 08:47:59 AM
Another signature win for the Captains and Coach K!

Hey, CNU85, do you have any insight on what happened to last year's super freshman, Landon Hawes?  I saw where he was going to play at Iowa Lakes Community College, which is bizarre, but he's not on their roster...the whole situation is really weird.

No clue. I saw what you mentioned but I have not heard a word.

I believe he committed to William & Mary, but obviously didn't end up there.

Looks like it was JMU...tough loss for the Captains.

From what I hear, probably not a real loss at all.
Title: Re: MBB: Coast 2 Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on November 29, 2021, 01:35:54 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 29, 2021, 12:00:12 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on November 29, 2021, 11:49:08 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 29, 2021, 11:37:40 AM
Quote from: CNU85 on November 29, 2021, 09:27:33 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on November 29, 2021, 08:47:59 AM
Another signature win for the Captains and Coach K!

Hey, CNU85, do you have any insight on what happened to last year's super freshman, Landon Hawes?  I saw where he was going to play at Iowa Lakes Community College, which is bizarre, but he's not on their roster...the whole situation is really weird.

No clue. I saw what you mentioned but I have not heard a word.

I believe he committed to William & Mary, but obviously didn't end up there.

Looks like it was JMU...tough loss for the Captains.

From what I hear, probably not a real loss at all.

Are you implying that he did something outside of basketball that got him in trouble with the coaches/school?
Title: Re: MBB: Coast 2 Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 29, 2021, 07:11:06 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on November 29, 2021, 01:35:54 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 29, 2021, 12:00:12 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on November 29, 2021, 11:49:08 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 29, 2021, 11:37:40 AM
Quote from: CNU85 on November 29, 2021, 09:27:33 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on November 29, 2021, 08:47:59 AM
Another signature win for the Captains and Coach K!

Hey, CNU85, do you have any insight on what happened to last year's super freshman, Landon Hawes?  I saw where he was going to play at Iowa Lakes Community College, which is bizarre, but he's not on their roster...the whole situation is really weird.

No clue. I saw what you mentioned but I have not heard a word.

I believe he committed to William & Mary, but obviously didn't end up there.

Looks like it was JMU...tough loss for the Captains.

From what I hear, probably not a real loss at all.

Are you implying that he did something outside of basketball that got him in trouble with the coaches/school?

No, just issues of fit and chemistry.
Title: Re: MBB: Coast 2 Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: jesskleangda on November 29, 2021, 08:18:23 PM
CNU and UMW playing well.  Surprising that Lynchburg would be receiving 29 votes and UMW is nowhere to be seen in the latest rankings.  UMW beat them handily and played RMC to only a 4 point loss.

Title: Re: MBB: Coast 2 Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on November 30, 2021, 08:24:44 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 29, 2021, 07:11:06 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on November 29, 2021, 01:35:54 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 29, 2021, 12:00:12 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on November 29, 2021, 11:49:08 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 29, 2021, 11:37:40 AM
Quote from: CNU85 on November 29, 2021, 09:27:33 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on November 29, 2021, 08:47:59 AM
Another signature win for the Captains and Coach K!

Hey, CNU85, do you have any insight on what happened to last year's super freshman, Landon Hawes?  I saw where he was going to play at Iowa Lakes Community College, which is bizarre, but he's not on their roster...the whole situation is really weird.

No clue. I saw what you mentioned but I have not heard a word.

I believe he committed to William & Mary, but obviously didn't end up there.

Looks like it was JMU...tough loss for the Captains.

From what I hear, probably not a real loss at all.

Are you implying that he did something outside of basketball that got him in trouble with the coaches/school?

No, just issues of fit and chemistry.

Oh, okay...he might be one of those kids that thinks they're destined for bigger and better things, such as playing D1, but that often doesn't play out like they expected.
Title: Re: MBB: Coast 2 Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on November 30, 2021, 08:44:56 AM
Quote from: jesskleangda on November 29, 2021, 08:18:23 PM
CNU and UMW playing well.  Surprising that Lynchburg would be receiving 29 votes and UMW is nowhere to be seen in the latest rankings.  UMW beat them handily and played RMC to only a 4 point loss.

I tend to agree, but I'm wondering if the loss to Penn State-Harrisburg is turning off the voters?  Even though PS-H has a good record and are probably pretty decent, that does stand out a bit...if CNU hadn't laid another egg at Lynchburg, they might be a little higher themselves.
Title: Re: MBB: Coast 2 Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: jesskleangda on January 13, 2022, 11:44:10 AM
Ouch, last night was brutal for UMW.  Tough to be beat by a 3/4 court shot in OT.
Title: Re: MBB: Coast 2 Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 13, 2022, 07:16:11 PM
Ouch is right.
Title: Re: MBB: Coast 2 Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 21, 2022, 08:09:17 AM
A meaningless thought popped into my head (I'm good at that!).

This weekend CNU plays UC Santa Cruz in 2 conference games. Does that set some kind of record for distance traveled for a D3 conference game? I know the UAA travels quite a bit, but I don't think anything that far.

and now I will go back to nonsensical pondering.

Title: Re: MBB: Coast 2 Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 22, 2022, 10:48:00 PM
CNU at UC Santa Cruz. Playing at a basketball arena for Sacramento's G-League team. The hosts are making the CNU announcers sit floor level BEHIND the CNU bench. There's clearly room at the scorer's/press table. That's ridiculous.
Title: Re: MBB: Coast 2 Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 07, 2022, 04:33:09 PM
We had another midday edition of Hoopsville on Monday. Great show with plenty of DIII chat, but also insightful conversations with each of our guests.

(https://cdn.prestosports.com/action/cdn/img/mw=710/cr=n/d=6x6bj/xkzawcsvjxaoshpv.jpg)

The basketball season is now fully into February and with conference tournaments looming, teams continue to ready themselves for the stretch run.

On Monday's Hoopsville, we chatted with several teams who are leading their conference races and making national headlines in the meantime. Plus, we look ahead at what will be ever-changing Top 25 polls. There is always plenty of upsets, close games, amazing feats, and surprising results to talk about in Division III.

Reminder, Monday shows' guests primarily come from Regions 1 & 2, 4, 6, and 8.

Guests included:
- Brian Baptiste, UMass-Dartmouth men's coach
- John Krikorian, No. 4 Christopher Newport men's coach
- Dixie Jeffers, former Capital women's coach & interim AD
- Mandy King, Kean women's coach
- Olivia Lett, Millikin women's coach

Watch the show here: www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2021-22/feb7

Listen to the podcast here: https://soundcloud.com/hoopsville/1920-stretch-run?si=77077a5aa28a4c8c9f0bfa60e5c3b3c2&utm_source=clipboard&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=social_sharing
Title: Re: MBB: Coast 2 Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 15, 2022, 03:50:53 PM
Week 2 Regional Rankings - which are ranked now: https://d3hoops.com/notables/2022/02/men-regional-rankings-first
Title: Re: MBB: Coast 2 Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on March 02, 2022, 09:35:45 AM
So, as long as Marietta wins the first and second rounds, they'll be hosting the Sweet 16, right?
Title: Re: MBB: Coast 2 Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 02, 2022, 11:12:24 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on March 02, 2022, 09:35:45 AM
So, as long as Marietta wins the first and second rounds, they'll be hosting the Sweet 16, right?

Keene State can't drive to Marietta or CNU, so if they win the Swarthmore pod, I suspect they'd host the sectional at the winner of the Stockton pod.
Title: Re: MBB: Coast 2 Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on March 03, 2022, 08:12:29 AM
What if Keene State doesn't win the Swarthmore pod?  Don't the Garnet stand a better chance of beating them on their home floor than not?
Title: Re: MBB: Coast 2 Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 03, 2022, 08:16:18 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on March 03, 2022, 08:12:29 AM
What if Keene State doesn't win the Swarthmore pod?  Don't the Garnet stand a better chance of beating them on their home floor than not?

I think Keene is the only scenario where Marietta wouldn't host. I don't have much faith in Keene winning two games.  I do think they match up well with Swat, though. If they can rebound well, i think they can keep it close enough to be dangerous at the end.
Title: Re: MBB: Coast 2 Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on March 07, 2022, 09:55:28 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 03, 2022, 08:16:18 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on March 03, 2022, 08:12:29 AM
What if Keene State doesn't win the Swarthmore pod?  Don't the Garnet stand a better chance of beating them on their home floor than not?

I think Keene is the only scenario where Marietta wouldn't host. I don't have much faith in Keene winning two games.  I do think they match up well with Swat, though. If they can rebound well, i think they can keep it close enough to be dangerous at the end.

Nice call, Ryan!
Title: Re: MBB: Coast 2 Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ronk on March 07, 2022, 11:37:26 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 03, 2022, 08:16:18 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on March 03, 2022, 08:12:29 AM
What if Keene State doesn't win the Swarthmore pod?  Don't the Garnet stand a better chance of beating them on their home floor than not?

I think Keene is the only scenario where Marietta wouldn't host. I don't have much faith in Keene winning two games.  I do think they match up well with Swat, though. If they can rebound well, i think they can keep it close enough to be dangerous at the end.

If Marietta women had beaten Hope in the 2nd round, they would have hosted this coming weekend and the Marietta men would have been traveling like the CNU women in the 1st weekend.
Title: Re: MBB: Coast 2 Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on July 28, 2022, 08:28:03 AM
New member added.....

https://c2csports.com/general/2022-23/releases/20220718odnmbk (https://c2csports.com/general/2022-23/releases/20220718odnmbk)
Title: Re: MBB: Coast 2 Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: jesskleangda on November 21, 2022, 05:49:31 PM
Strong start at the top of the C2C.  Convincing victories over #1 and #10 teams in the country - and other good regional wins.  Lots of very tough games coming up, but CNU and UMW looking good so far. 

When will the next Top 25 be released?
Title: Re: MBB: Coast 2 Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 21, 2022, 06:05:03 PM
Monday after Thanksgiving.
Title: Re: MBB: Coast 2 Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 26, 2022, 06:10:59 PM
CNU wins 1,000th game in its 55 seasons. A little
More than 18 wins per season. 1,000-461 overall.

Title: Re: MBB: Coast 2 Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 26, 2022, 06:11:41 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 21, 2022, 06:05:03 PM
Monday after Thanksgiving.

Thanks Pat!
Title: Re: MBB: Coast 2 Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: jesskleangda on November 28, 2022, 01:49:04 PM
Watching for those new rankings.  I would expect both CNU and UMW to be in the Top 25 - which is impressive for the C2C.
Title: Re: MBB: Coast 2 Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 28, 2022, 05:14:51 PM
That would be very cool!
Title: Re: MBB: Coast 2 Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 28, 2022, 10:00:34 PM
There ya go Jess. #1 and #24 in the C2C. Very nice.
Title: Re: MBB: Coast 2 Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on March 08, 2023, 05:42:02 PM
CNU's hosting a sectional for the second time ever...even though the first time was 20+ years ago, I remember it well.  The Captains squeaked by St. John's the first night, then lost a heartbreaker in OT to William Paterson and Horace Jenkins.  CNU was leading by six w/approximately a minute to go in regulation, but I guess it wasn't meant to be...would have been the late CJ Woollum's first and, as it turned out, only final four...hoping CNU can take advantage this time around!

GO CAPS!
Title: Re: MBB: Coast 2 Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 08, 2023, 06:40:07 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on March 08, 2023, 05:42:02 PM
CNU's hosting a sectional for the second time ever...even though the first time was 20+ years ago, I remember it well.  The Captains squeaked by St. John's the first night, then lost a heartbreaker in OT to William Paterson and Horace Jenkins.  CNU was leading by six w/approximately a minute to go in regulation, but I guess it wasn't meant to be...would have been the late CJ Woollum's first and, as it turned out, only final four...hoping CNU can take advantage this time around!

GO CAPS!

Man -- brought back memories right there.

My story that night.

William Paterson 86, Christopher Newport 75 (OT)

By Pat Coleman
D3hoops.com

NEWPORT NEWS, Va. — It's called senior leadership.

"When you have guys who have been together for three years, like this group has," said William Paterson head coach Jose Rebimbas, "a lot of time you listen to what they have to say. The last five minutes of the game we asked them, 'What is it that we have to do to win this game?' As always, Horace Jenkins said 'Give me the ball.' It's been a pretty good play for us so far."

The senior guard finished with a game-high 35 points, but it was three of his game-high eight assists that sparked a game-saving rally for Paterson (24-4). Traiiing 62-56 with one minute left, Jenkins found senior forward Ray Ortiz in the corner for a three-pointer that cut the lead to 62-59, then after Jenkins missed a jumper, he hit Rashaan Barner for a dunk to cut the lead to 63-61.

Christopher Newport's Terry Gray and Jenkins exchanged a pair of free throws, then after a Captains turnover, Jenkins found Chris Lauer on an inbounds pass for his only bucket of the night, which tied the game at 65-65.

Carlos Heard missed a layup with 2.4 seconds left for Christopher Newport (25-4) and a Jenkins three from 26 feet out hit off the rim as time expired.

William Paterson outscored Christopher Newport 21-10 in the extra period, behind 5-for-6 shooting from the floor and 9-for-13 shooting from the foul line.

"I was just looking at it as my last minute of basketball," said Jenkins, "with all three seniors. So we just wanted to go out there and leave everything on the court."

The Captains themselves had rallied from a 36-26 deficit late in the first half and as many as nine points, 49-40, with 11:07 to play. CNU then went on an 18-3 run to push in front, 58-52 with 2:41 to play. They maintained that lead to 62-56 before Paterson's final rally.

Christopher Newport was led by Jermaine Woods' 20 points, including 5-for-11 from three-point range. Heard and Gray each finished with 13, while Antoine Sinclair fouled out with 11 points on 4-for-13 shooting.
Title: Re: MBB: Coast 2 Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on March 08, 2023, 08:23:15 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 08, 2023, 06:40:07 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on March 08, 2023, 05:42:02 PM
CNU's hosting a sectional for the second time ever...even though the first time was 20+ years ago, I remember it well.  The Captains squeaked by St. John's the first night, then lost a heartbreaker in OT to William Paterson and Horace Jenkins.  CNU was leading by six w/approximately a minute to go in regulation, but I guess it wasn't meant to be...would have been the late CJ Woollum's first and, as it turned out, only final four...hoping CNU can take advantage this time around!

GO CAPS!

Man -- brought back memories right there.

My story that night.

William Paterson 86, Christopher Newport 75 (OT)

By Pat Coleman
D3hoops.com

NEWPORT NEWS, Va. — It's called senior leadership.

"When you have guys who have been together for three years, like this group has," said William Paterson head coach Jose Rebimbas, "a lot of time you listen to what they have to say. The last five minutes of the game we asked them, 'What is it that we have to do to win this game?' As always, Horace Jenkins said 'Give me the ball.' It's been a pretty good play for us so far."

The senior guard finished with a game-high 35 points, but it was three of his game-high eight assists that sparked a game-saving rally for Paterson (24-4). Traiiing 62-56 with one minute left, Jenkins found senior forward Ray Ortiz in the corner for a three-pointer that cut the lead to 62-59, then after Jenkins missed a jumper, he hit Rashaan Barner for a dunk to cut the lead to 63-61.

Christopher Newport's Terry Gray and Jenkins exchanged a pair of free throws, then after a Captains turnover, Jenkins found Chris Lauer on an inbounds pass for his only bucket of the night, which tied the game at 65-65.

Carlos Heard missed a layup with 2.4 seconds left for Christopher Newport (25-4) and a Jenkins three from 26 feet out hit off the rim as time expired.

William Paterson outscored Christopher Newport 21-10 in the extra period, behind 5-for-6 shooting from the floor and 9-for-13 shooting from the foul line.

"I was just looking at it as my last minute of basketball," said Jenkins, "with all three seniors. So we just wanted to go out there and leave everything on the court."

The Captains themselves had rallied from a 36-26 deficit late in the first half and as many as nine points, 49-40, with 11:07 to play. CNU then went on an 18-3 run to push in front, 58-52 with 2:41 to play. They maintained that lead to 62-56 before Paterson's final rally.

Christopher Newport was led by Jermaine Woods' 20 points, including 5-for-11 from three-point range. Heard and Gray each finished with 13, while Antoine Sinclair fouled out with 11 points on 4-for-13 shooting.

I thought you were there, Pat...one of the biggest crowds in Freeman Center history, if not the biggest...did you ever catch a game in Ratcliffe?
Title: Re: MBB: Coast 2 Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 09, 2023, 08:36:05 AM
I never got down to Ratcliffe, no.

Who was the kid who hit the halfcourt shot at the halftime buzzer in this game? Julian something? Or am I making that up?
Title: Re: MBB: Coast 2 Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on March 09, 2023, 11:57:28 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 09, 2023, 08:36:05 AM
I never got down to Ratcliffe, no.

Who was the kid who hit the halfcourt shot at the halftime buzzer in this game? Julian something? Or am I making that up?

Hmm...I don't remember a shot like that in this game, but CNU did have a player named Julian Sumpter.
Title: Re: MBB: Coast 2 Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on March 13, 2023, 09:51:21 AM
CNU did it...hoping for a little payback against Swarthmore...congrats, guys, great job!
Title: Re: MBB: Coast 2 Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: CaptJ on March 18, 2023, 09:40:05 PM
Congratulations to the Captains!  National Champions!  OMG, what a game.  I thought I was going to have a heart attack.  What an amazing team this has been.  Coach K has put together a team for the ages.  Even though I've been inactive on this board for a decade and haven't been to the Freeman Center in even longer than that, there is no way I was going to miss the opportunity to congratulate this amazing team.  I've been watching from (literally) the other side of the world and have seen just about every game online, and I couldn't be prouder.  Talent and selflessness are an amazing combination, and this team has that.  The future looks very bright for them.  They lose a couple of MAJOR contributors but some very bright stars will be back, and young players who started the season searching for their sea legs have developed into solid contributors and are more than capable of filling the void.  I can't wait to see what they do when Coach K turns them loose next year.  Speaking of Coach K, I will close with a very, very heartfelt plea to the coach.  COME BACK!  There is still more to do here.

CONGRATULATIONS TO THE NATIONAL CHAMPIONS!
Title: Re: MBB: Coast 2 Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on March 19, 2023, 07:59:32 AM
Quote from: CaptJ on March 18, 2023, 09:40:05 PM
Congratulations to the Captains!  National Champions!  OMG, what a game.  I thought I was going to have a heart attack.  What an amazing team this has been.  Coach K has put together a team for the ages.  Even though I've been inactive on this board for a decade and haven't been to the Freeman Center in even longer than that, there is no way I was going to miss the opportunity to congratulate this amazing team.  I've been watching from (literally) the other side of the world and have seen just about every game online, and I couldn't be prouder.  Talent and selflessness are an amazing combination, and this team has that.  The future looks very bright for them.  They lose a couple of MAJOR contributors. but some very bright stars will be back, and young players who started the season searching for their sea legs have developed into solid contributors and are more than capable of filling the void.  I can't wait to see what they do when Coach K turns them loose next year.  Speaking of Coach K, I will close with a very, very heartfelt plea to the coach.  COME BACK!  There is still more to do here.

CONGRATULATIONS TO THE NATIONAL CHAMPIONS!

Who do they lose? Brodie is listed as a 5th year player. Graves, Anderson and Latta are listed as seniors. Are all of them done?
Title: Re: MBB: Coast 2 Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on March 19, 2023, 08:04:50 AM
Mary Washington has Greg Rowson, Cook, McCravy and Aghayere listed as seniors. I wonder if any of them are eligible to return.
Title: Re: MBB: Coast 2 Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 19, 2023, 08:39:24 AM

Anderson likely has one year left, if he wants it.  The other three, I believe, have done five.
Title: Re: MBB: Coast 2 Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: CaptJ on March 19, 2023, 09:11:14 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 19, 2023, 08:39:24 AM

Anderson likely has one year left, if he wants it.  The other three, I believe, have done five.

I read on the CNU site that Anderson, Parrish and Latta have indicated they will return next year.  We'll see if they actually do.  Job and life opportunities could change that intention.  Losing Brodie and Graves will be tough. 
Title: Re: MBB: Coast 2 Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 19, 2023, 12:10:47 PM
Congrats to the Captains.

Wouldn't that photo of Trey Barber on the front page of D3Hoops make a good Fathead!
Title: Re: MBB: Coast 2 Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: CaptJ on March 19, 2023, 06:00:30 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 19, 2023, 12:10:47 PM
Congrats to the Captains.

Wouldn't that photo of Trey Barber on the front page of D3Hoops make a good Fathead!

Way ahead of you, Ralph.  It's been my desktop background since an hour or so after it went up.  Great photo.  Well done Steve Frommell!
Title: Re: MBB: Coast 2 Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ziggy on September 22, 2023, 09:49:54 AM
Greeting friends from the C2C! We decided to dedicate the most recent episode of the D3 Datacast to discussing the unique nature of the Coast-to-Coast Conference. We go through some of the past, present and speculate on the future of the league, and hopefully we were fair with both our criticisms and defenses.

What's the Deal with the Coast-to-Coast Conference? - D3 Datacast - Episode 46: https://youtu.be/RLvFHXXJQBg
Title: Re: MBB: Coast 2 Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on September 25, 2023, 04:17:05 PM
Thanks Ziggy. A lot of interesting comments on Regent and the ASC.

I'm still a little neutral on the conference myself. Obviously, I would love a traditional conference. But that's not feasible at the moment.
The NCAA landscape, at all levels, is chaotic. If there was a single best solution, it would have been done already.

Title: Re: MBB: Coast 2 Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on October 09, 2023, 03:20:41 PM
Looking at the CNU schedule. It is brutal.

CNU plays 4 ranked teams (based on last season's final rankings) in the first 7 games. Later in the season CNU plays 4 games vs teams receiving votes. That's 8 games out of 25 against teams that are ranked or receiving votes.

Title: Re: MBB: Coast 2 Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: y_jack_lok on October 10, 2023, 10:23:16 AM
Quote from: CNU85 on October 09, 2023, 03:20:41 PM
Looking at the CNU schedule. It is brutal.

CNU plays 4 ranked teams (based on last season's final rankings) in the first 7 games. Later in the season CNU plays 4 games vs teams receiving votes. That's 8 games out of 25 against teams that are ranked or receiving votes.

Welcome to the UAA.  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Coast 2 Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on October 10, 2023, 11:50:40 AM
Quote from: y_jack_lok on October 10, 2023, 10:23:16 AM
Quote from: CNU85 on October 09, 2023, 03:20:41 PM
Looking at the CNU schedule. It is brutal.

CNU plays 4 ranked teams (based on last season's final rankings) in the first 7 games. Later in the season CNU plays 4 games vs teams receiving votes. That's 8 games out of 25 against teams that are ranked or receiving votes.

Welcome to the UAA.  ;D

I was actually thinking about the UAA!!!  :D
Title: Re: MBB: Coast 2 Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: jesskleangda on October 16, 2023, 01:06:30 PM
UMW has a tough schedule too.  At least 7 top 25 games (from end of last year) and 1 receiving votes.  LETS GO EAGLES
Title: Re: MBB: Coast 2 Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on October 17, 2023, 02:22:18 PM
Quote from: jesskleangda on October 16, 2023, 01:06:30 PM
UMW has a tough schedule too.  At least 7 top 25 games (from end of last year) and 1 receiving votes.  LETS GO EAGLES

Should be a fun year! I cheer for the Eagles in 23 games during the regular season!