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Quote from: USee on September 26, 2014, 12:09:48 PM
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Quote from: USee on September 26, 2014, 12:02:58 PM
Quote from: smedindy on September 26, 2014, 11:51:45 AM
I would counter that Simpson' not being ranked shouldn't be a point against IWU. The IIAC ain't a bunch of sissy-marys.
No, but losing to Simpson is clearly a point against IWU. That's why they dropped out of my top 10

Losing to IWU probably ought to be a point against Franklin, then.

If only there was a way to decide which team would win a hypothetical game between these two...oh wait, look!

http://d3football.com/seasons/2014/boxscores/20140906_wzrl.xml

Is there any new information you have to offer? I get that you have your pants in a bunch because I ranked IWU ahead of Franklin despite the HTH. Continuing to state that doesn't help your argument and won't change my mind. As I said, I am quite comfortable with my methodology in ranking the #8-12th teams in the North. Sorry if that bothers you.
I'm all for looking at the whole season even when there's a H2H result (see my ranking N Central over Mount Union in the final poll last year) but even as a Franklin fan I just can't see it as of week 3. I know Franklin is always tough to rank because they crush the terrible teams in the HCAC but lose to the high quality opponents to start the season.
Wins over Franklin and Albion (two teams who will be fighting for their conference titles) and a 10 point loss to a quality IIAC team (who could be the second best team in a solid conference) I feel is better resume than a win over Anderson plus losses by 7 to IWU and 29 to UWW.

Going back in the dialogue... I am curious as to your reasoning that a loss to Simpson is a negative while a loss to IWU wouldn't be a similar negative. I'm not basing that off of A beat B who beat C but by the fact that those losses appear to be quite similar in scope in my opinion.
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Quote from: smedindy on September 26, 2014, 11:51:45 AM
I would counter that Simpson' not being ranked shouldn't be a point against IWU. The IIAC ain't a bunch of sissy-marys.

  +k for the subtle nod to Blazing Saddles .   :)
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Quote from: USee on September 26, 2014, 12:02:58 PM
Quote from: smedindy on September 26, 2014, 11:51:45 AM
I would counter that Simpson' not being ranked shouldn't be a point against IWU. The IIAC ain't a bunch of sissy-marys.

No, but losing to Simpson is clearly a point against IWU. That's why they dropped out of my top 10

If Simpson's a team of quality and distinction, not so much. Better than losing to North Park.

NCF

I'm the one who had NC at #3. I just thought a healthy Mark Myers gave JCU the edge.
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Quote from: NCF on September 27, 2014, 06:26:41 PM
I'm the one who had NC at #3. I just thought a healthy Mark Myers gave JCU the edge.

Prophetic

FCGrizzliesGrad

I've sent my ballot in... and now I'm going into witness protection ;)
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Quote from: smedindy on September 26, 2014, 08:04:08 PM
Quote from: USee on September 26, 2014, 12:02:58 PM
Quote from: smedindy on September 26, 2014, 11:51:45 AM
I would counter that Simpson' not being ranked shouldn't be a point against IWU. The IIAC ain't a bunch of sissy-marys.

No, but losing to Simpson is clearly a point against IWU. That's why they dropped out of my top 10

If Simpson's a team of quality and distinction, not so much. Better than losing to North Park.

Any particular reason why you're picking on my alma mater, smed, as opposed to one of the eight teams in the North Region that Massey rates below NPU? ;)
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smedindy

I think if North Central lost to North Park, there'd be many heads asploding!

Gregory Sager

Same goes for Wheaton and Illinois Wesleyan in terms of multiple postgame Scanners incidents.

But my admittedly-early take is that NPU might not even be the worst team in its league, let alone the North Region. Carthage, to cite just one example, has looked dire.
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smedindy

I know they weren't last year. Hiram's not the worst in the NCAC this year. Worlds are turning.

FCGrizzliesGrad

Earlham appears to be back at the bottom though so not everything is upside down ;)
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Week 5 North Region Fan Poll:

1. Mount Union        80 pts (1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1)
2. Wabash               68 pts (2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3, 5)
3. John Carroll         66 pts (2, 2, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3)
4. Wittenberg          51 pts (4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 5, 8)
5. North Central      49 pts  (3, 4, 5, 5, 5, 5, 6, 6)
6. Wheaton             44 pts (4, 5, 5, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6)
7. Franklin              19 pts (7, 7, 7, 9, 9, 9, 10, -)
8. Illinois Wesleyan 16 pts (6, 7, 7, 8, -, -, -, -)
T9. Heidelberg        14 pts (7, 7, 8, 9, 10, -, -, -, -)
T9. Adrian              14 pts (7, 8, 8, 9, 9, -, -, -)

ARV
Mount St Joseph     8 pts (8, 8, 10, 10, -, -, -, -)
Rose-Hulman          4 pts (9, 9, -, -, -, -, -, -)
Chicago                  3 pts (10, 10, 10, -, -, -, -, -)
Albion                    3 pts (8, -, -, -, -, -, -)
Ohio Northern         1 pt (10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)

The Flan Poll is voted on by FCGrizzliesGrad, smedindy, wally_wabash, NCF, Usee, Li'l Giant, Mr. Ypsi, and myself.

DPU3619

Now, I get the chance to see all the ballots. One of you said you were going in to hiding, which I might recommend. But, there were several of the ballots that I just didn't get. I'm typically with the majority most of the way down the ballot. But, a couple of those outliers (Witt voted as an 8, NC voted as a 3, Bash as a 5, Franklin just being out altogether, just to name a few) that puzzled me.

I was:
Mount
Bash
JCU
Witt
NC
Wheaton
Franklin
Adrian
RHIT
Chicago

wally_wabash

I'll open up the kimono tonight when I have my ballot in front of me but for now (and this is going to be a fun couple of days here)...

Quote from: Old Pal Wes on October 01, 2014, 12:24:41 PM
Week 5 North Region Fan Poll:
7. Franklin              19 pts (7, 7, 7, 9, 9, 9, 10, -)
8. Illinois Wesleyan 16 pts (6, 7, 7, 8, -, -, -, -)

How? 
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jknezek

Quote from: wally_wabash on October 01, 2014, 12:33:18 PM
I'll open up the kimono tonight when I have my ballot in front of me but for now (and this is going to be a fun couple of days here)...

Quote from: Old Pal Wes on October 01, 2014, 12:24:41 PM
Week 5 North Region Fan Poll:
7. Franklin              19 pts (7, 7, 7, 9, 9, 9, 10, -)
8. Illinois Wesleyan 16 pts (6, 7, 7, 8, -, -, -, -)

How?

Feel free to read the pages of nonsense on a similar situation that were in the National Top 25 Fan Poll thread yesterday.