Liberty League

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d3d3d3

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Friday
Skidmore 79, Hobart 71
Union 70, SLU 61
RPI 84, Bard 77
Vassar 75, RIT 73
Ithaca 97, Clarkson 67

SLU     12-3   15-7
Skid     11-3   13-7
Hob      10-4   13-8
Ith        9-6     13-9
Bard     8-7      12-10
RPI       7-8      12-10
Vass     6-9      10-12
Union    5-10    9-12
Clark     3-11    4-17
RIT        2-12    5-16

Oline89

Quote from: d3d3d3 on February 08, 2019, 09:08:35 PM
Friday
Skidmore 70, Hobart 71
Union 70, SLU 61
RPI 84, Bard 77
Vassar 75, RIT 73
Ithaca 97, Clarkson 67

SLU     12-3   15-7
Skid     11-3   13-7
Hob      10-4   13-8
Ith        9-6     13-9
Bard     8-7      12-10
RPI       7-8      12-10
Vass     6-9      10-12
Union    5-10    9-12
Clark     3-11    4-17
RIT        2-12    5-16

Unfortunately, I think Hobart lost 79-71

d3d3d3

Sorry about that. Fixed typo

d3d3d3

Saturday
Hobart 83, Bard 80
SLU 84, Ithaca 72
RPI 66, Vassar 54
Skid 81, RIT 59
Clarkson 69, Union 66

SLU   13-3   16-7
Skid   13-3   15-7
Hob    11-5   14-9
Ith      9-7    13-10
RPI     8-8     13-10
Bard    8-8    12-11
Vass    6-10   10-13
Union   5-11   9-13
Clark    4-11   5-17
RIT      2-13    5-17

I believe the playoff field is set - but not the seedings. Vassar can't catch Bard or RPI because they lost all four of those games.

Caz Bombers

Gotta congratulate Bard on qualifying for the Liberty League tournament for what I believe is the first time...in any sport...ever.

Well done Raptors!

Ice Bear

Quote from: d3d3d3 on February 09, 2019, 05:58:30 PM
Saturday
Hobart 83, Bard 80
SLU 84, Ithaca 72
RPI 66, Vassar 54
Skid 81, RIT 59
Clarkson 69, Union 66

SLU   13-3   16-7
Skid   13-3   15-7
Hob    11-5   14-9
Ith      9-7    13-10
RPI     8-8     13-10
Bard    8-8    12-11
Vass    6-10   10-13
Union   5-11   9-13
Clark    4-11   5-17
RIT      2-13    5-17

I believe the playoff field is set - but not the seedings. Vassar can't catch Bard or RPI because they lost all four of those games.

Disappointing Saturday for the Dutchmen after a nice win of SLU on Friday. Ugghhh
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stlawus

I'm the furthest thing from an expert on regional rankings and DIII bracketology, but these rankings are intriguing giving the stakes the next few weekends.  I wonder what happens if SLU beats Skidmore on the road to finish the season (barring a win at RPI which is not guaranteed by far) and Cortland drops another game, considering they lost to New Paltz after these rankings were finalized.   I feel like SLU has too many bad losses to overcome a road win at Skidmore and a win in the conference tournament to get an at large bid, vice versa for Skidmore.   I can't see Naz getting an at large bid with their schedule, so does the YAC suck up all the at large oxygen this year?

Bartman

One thing for sure is that Hobart must win the LL tournament to get in. If they do, it will probably weaken the chances for St. Lawrence and Skidmore to get an at-large bid( not the LL strongest year). Everybody is fully capable of being upset by anyone in the tournament, although I am still bullish on the Saints in the end. It should be a fun tournament after this weekend. I would not count out Bard, they are pretty feisty.
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stlawus

Quote from: Bartman on February 13, 2019, 05:43:26 PM
One thing for sure is that Hobart must win the LL tournament to get in. If they do, it will probably weaken the chances for St. Lawrence and Skidmore to get an at-large bid( not the LL strongest year). Everybody is fully capable of being upset by anyone in the tournament, although I am still bullish on the Saints in the end. It should be a fun tournament after this weekend. I would not count out Bard, they are pretty feisty.

You're more bullish than I am.  This has been a great season but we've always struggled in the LL tournament, even the year we made the Sweet 16.   I agree on the point about Bard, they shoot the ball well and if they get hot anything can happen.

thebear

SLU has head to head losses against the #1 [Oswego 18pts] #2 [Plattsburgh 29 pts] and #6/7 [Potsdam 13 pts] SUNYAC teams.  SLU has to win the LL or they are probably done, too many great [NESCAC] teams in the  East/NE pod for anyone but the winner of the LL to get a bid.
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Oline89

 A question for the LL Basketball fans (I am much more familiar with football), what is the consensus that NESCAC has 4 teams in the national top 25, and LL has zero.  Fair assessment of talent?  I know there are very few chances for the leagues playing each other ( I think Bard played Hamilton early in the season), but what is the consensus on overall basketball talent. Certainly in football, there would never be a chance of having 4 NESCAC schools ranked ahead of a the entire LL.

magicman

Quote from: Oline89 on February 14, 2019, 08:58:44 AM
A question for the LL Basketball fans (I am much more familiar with football), what is the consensus that NESCAC has 4 teams in the national top 25, and LL has zero.  Fair assessment of talent?  I know there are very few chances for the leagues playing each other ( I think Bard played Hamilton early in the season), but what is the consensus on overall basketball talent. Certainly in football, there would never be a chance of having 4 NESCAC schools ranked ahead of a the entire LL.

The NESCAC has 3 or 4 teams in the Top 25 more years than they don't. Some years they have had 5 teams in the Top 25 and usually have at least 3 teams in the NCAA tournament. The LL isn't having a great year but even if they were 2 teams would be the most the LL would see in the Top 25, but usually it's just one. Hobart and Skidmore have made the poll in the past few years, sporadically. Don't think anyone else has.  Even SLU, in the year they made it to the Sweet 16, didn't crack the Top 25.

Oline89

Quote from: magicman on February 14, 2019, 09:38:24 AM
Quote from: Oline89 on February 14, 2019, 08:58:44 AM
A question for the LL Basketball fans (I am much more familiar with football), what is the consensus that NESCAC has 4 teams in the national top 25, and LL has zero.  Fair assessment of talent?  I know there are very few chances for the leagues playing each other ( I think Bard played Hamilton early in the season), but what is the consensus on overall basketball talent. Certainly in football, there would never be a chance of having 4 NESCAC schools ranked ahead of a the entire LL.

The NESCAC has 3 or 4 teams in the Top 25 more years than they don't. Some years they have had 5 teams in the Top 25 and usually have at least 3 teams in the NCAA tournament. The LL isn't having a great year but even if they were 2 teams would be the most the LL would see in the Top 25, but usually it's just one. Hobart and Skidmore have made the poll in the past few years, sporadically. Don't think anyone else has.  Even SLU, in the year they made it to the Sweet 16, didn't crack the Top 25.

Magicman, I completely understand your answer.  Again apologize for my lack of knowledge of the individual teams, but what about the talent level?  As we all know, in the D3 world it is impossible to make an objective determination of the  "best" teams, there are just too many teams that will never play each other (or even have common opponents).  So my question is, is the NESCAC simply a self fulfilling prophecy were "The NESCAC has 3 or 4 teams in the Top 25 more years than they don't. Some years they have had 5 teams in the Top 25 and usually have at least 3 teams in the NCAA tournament", or is the talent level on the court so far ahead of the LL (and the E8 for that matter), that they truly deserve 3-5 teams in the top 25 as opposed to one team from LL on occasion.

d3d3d3

NESCAC vs. LL 2018-19

Middlebury 71, Skidmore 54
Hamilton 92, Ithaca 77
Hamilton 97, Bard 88
Williams 87, Union 70
Trinity 69, Clarkson 53