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SidelineHero

The LEC is consistently showing that they are a stronger conference than people give them credit for. Between RIC, Mass Dartmouth and East Conn, they have been sending competitive teams to the NCAA's for a while now.

scottiedawg

Quote from: SidelineHero on December 15, 2023, 06:39:33 AM
The LEC is consistently showing that they are a stronger conference than people give them credit for. Between RIC, Mass Dartmouth and East Conn, they have been sending competitive teams to the NCAA's for a while now.

Do people not give them credit?  LEC usually has a very strong top team--it's just not a deep conference.

Darryl Nester

How They Fared (Complete)


Top 25

Rank   Pts   TeamW-L   Results
#1620New York University9-0def. Brooklyn, 91-46
#2599Transylvania7-0IDLE
#3558Christopher Newport10-0won at N.C. Wesleyan, 90-69; won at Stevenson, 94-58
#4546Rhode Island College10-0IDLE
#5531UW-Whitewater9-0IDLE
#6494Scranton9-0IDLE
#7474Wartburg9-0IDLE
#8454Gustavus Adolphus7-0IDLE
#9379Smith7-1IDLE
#10373Trinity (Texas)8-1def. Austin, 92-50; def. University of Dallas, 100-62
#11337Chicago7-2LOST to #20 Illinois Wesleyan, 63-73
#12323Emory8-1IDLE
#13310Millikin8-1IDLE
#14276Hardin-Simmons8-1def. University of the Ozarks, 104-51
#15252Amherst7-0IDLE
#16249Hope8-1IDLE
#17244Trine6-2LOST to #24 UW-Stout, 76-77
#18167DeSales7-1IDLE
#19157Catholic9-0IDLE
#20145Illinois Wesleyan10-2won at #11 Chicago, 73-63
#21141Tufts6-3IDLE
#2298Whitman8-1won at Sewanee, 88-57
#2396Johns Hopkins8-1IDLE
#2446UW-Stout9-1def. Northwestern (Minn.), 72-48; won at #17 Trine, 77-76
#2541Elizabethtown7-2won at Juniata, 65-37


Others receiving votes
Rank   Pts   TeamW-L   Results
#2633Washington and Lee10-1def. (n) Centre, 76-62; won at Oglethorpe, 89-52
#2729Mary Hardin-Baylor9-1won at Howard Payne, 83-59; won at Sul Ross State, 74-55
T#2824Carroll7-3IDLE
T#2824Trinity (Conn.)6-4IDLE
#3022MIT7-2IDLE
#3117Mary Washington8-2def. N.C. Wesleyan, 56-40
#3214Concordia-Moorhead7-2IDLE
#3312Mass-Dartmouth7-1IDLE
#349UW-Platteville5-3LOST at Ripon, 53-56
#357St. John Fisher7-2IDLE
T#365Loras5-2IDLE
T#365UW-Stevens Point8-0def. MSOE, 52-43
T#384Bowdoin8-1IDLE
T#384Washington and Jefferson8-1won at Geneva, 94-58
#403Framingham State10-0IDLE
#412Messiah6-2IDLE
#421Webster10-0won at Monmouth, 98-61


SidelineHero

Quote from: scottiedawg on December 15, 2023, 09:15:02 AM
Quote from: SidelineHero on December 15, 2023, 06:39:33 AM
The LEC is consistently showing that they are a stronger conference than people give them credit for. Between RIC, Mass Dartmouth and East Conn, they have been sending competitive teams to the NCAA's for a while now.

Do people not give them credit?  LEC usually has a very strong top team--it's just not a deep conference.

I guess that is my point. Admittedly, East Conn is having an off year but for the past 5 to 8 years now they have consistently had 2 or 3 strong teams between RIC, Mass Dartmouth and East Conn. All three schools recruit well and have great coaching.

scottiedawg

Quote from: SidelineHero on December 18, 2023, 12:08:26 PM
Quote from: scottiedawg on December 15, 2023, 09:15:02 AM
Quote from: SidelineHero on December 15, 2023, 06:39:33 AM
The LEC is consistently showing that they are a stronger conference than people give them credit for. Between RIC, Mass Dartmouth and East Conn, they have been sending competitive teams to the NCAA's for a while now.

Do people not give them credit?  LEC usually has a very strong top team--it's just not a deep conference.

I guess that is my point. Admittedly, East Conn is having an off year but for the past 5 to 8 years now they have consistently had 2 or 3 strong teams between RIC, Mass Dartmouth and East Conn. All three schools recruit well and have great coaching.

I can only speak as one person (and also as a person with limited history compared to the bulk of people on the boards), but it seems like LEC gets talked about an amount requisite with their quality.

For example, looking at potential teams in the NCAA Tournament this year, (Dartmouth is my current 73rd best projected resume so fairly unlikely), but going down to 73rd, there are 13 conferences with > 2 teams, and 7 with 2.  LEC is at 2. 

So by that one metric, LEC is between the 14th and 20th "best" conference.

Now, the bulk of those conferences don't have a top team as good as RIC, so "best conferences" is a wildly subjective statement.

I would say that maybe LEC gets talked about relatively less because there's usually a "clear" #1 and clear #2?  As opposed to say the OAC, who may get talked about a lot more because there's a lot more jockeying and potential for change among their top teams?

Darryl Nester

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How They Fared (Complete)

Note: This report is also posted HERE—a process I started while d3boards was offline.

Top 25

Rank     Pts  TeamW-L  Results
#1622New York University25-0    won at Brandeis, 81-54
#2598Transylvania27-0def. Franklin, 83-52; def. Mount St. Joseph, 74-46
#3580Rhode Island College27-0def. Eastern Connecticut, 67-40; def. #30 Mass-Dartmouth, 67-52
#4530Christopher Newport26-1def. Salisbury, 80-58; def. Mary Washington, 71-67
#5478Gustavus Adolphus25-2def. St. Benedict, 68-45; def. #28 Concordia-Moorhead, 66-38
#6468Wartburg25-2def. Dubuque, 46-42; def. #20 Loras, 57-51
#7433Scranton25-2def. Elizabethtown, 51-42; won at #10 Catholic, 58-48
#8419UW-Whitewater23-4LOST to UW-Stout, 59-69
#9413Hope24-3def. Albion, 78-68; LOST to Trine, 59-63
#10404Catholic25-2def. Susquehanna, 83-70; LOST to #7 Scranton, 48-58
#11387Bowdoin25-2def. Middlebury, 61-54; def. #26 Bates, 66-56
#12343Illinois Wesleyan22-5def. Augustana, 77-51; LOST to #19 Carroll, 78-88
#13331Johns Hopkins24-3def. Ursinus, 66-45; LOST to #23 Gettysburg, 55-64
#14278UW-Oshkosh22-5def. UW-La Crosse, 77-52; LOST to UW-Stout, 65-77
#15277Millikin22-5def. Elmhurst, 98-74; LOST to (n) #19 Carroll, 66-75
#16262Hardin-Simmons24-3def. East Texas Baptist, 83-53; def. #27 Mary Hardin-Baylor, 84-74
#17201Smith25-3def. Clark, 95-40; def. MIT, 85-66; def. Babson, 90-59
#18193DeSales25-2def. Stevens, 89-67; def. Arcadia, 73-45
#19185Carroll23-4def. (n) #15 Millikin, 75-66; won at #12 Illinois Wesleyan, 88-78
#20154Loras23-4def. Coe, 61-60; LOST at #6 Wartburg, 51-57
#21131Washington and Lee26-2def. (n) Randolph, 82-52; def. (n) Bridgewater (Va.), 66-54;  def. (n) Shenandoah, 89-80 OT
#22100Emory19-6LOST to Rochester, 78-80
#2397Gettysburg24-3def. Dickinson, 74-48; won at #13 Johns Hopkins, 64-55
#2440Webster27-0def. Fontbonne, 74-58; def. Westminster (Mo.), 71-56
#2535SUNY New Paltz24-3def. Oswego State, 55-53; def. SUNY Geneseo, 52-47

Others receiving votes
Rank  Pts  TeamW-L  Results
#2633Bates22-5    def. (n) #32 Trinity (Conn.), 74-68; LOST at #11 Bowdoin, 56-66
#2730Mary Hardin-Baylor21-6def. (n) University of the Ozarks, 78-49; LOST at #16 Hardin-Simmons, 74-84
#2825Concordia-Moorhead20-5def. St. Catherine, 80-71; LOST at #5 Gustavus Adolphus, 38-66
#2918Springfield22-5def. Salve Regina, 89-43; LOST to Babson, 59-64 OT
#3017Mass-Dartmouth23-4def. Southern Maine, 84-67; LOST at #3 Rhode Island College, 52-67
#3114Washington and Jefferson23-3LOST to Geneva, 75-89
#3211Trinity (Conn.)19-7LOST to (n) #26 Bates, 68-74
#337Trinity (Texas)22-5def. (n) Schreiner, 64-54; def. (n) Colorado College, 63-57
T#345Vassar25-2def. Union, 64-53; def. Skidmore, 44-32
T#34  5Whitman20-6LOST to (n) Pacific, 46-58
#361Marietta21-6def. Capital, 91-43; LOST to Ohio Northern, 55-63